| 00:00.16 | Kirkburn | Strange |
| 00:04.26 | Codayus | Adobe Acrobat sucks, unfortunatly. |
| 00:04.56 | Kirkburn|WoW | There are other readers, but I've never bothered with them |
| 00:04.58 | Codayus | I like the pdf format but...damn, Acrobat is annoying. |
| 00:05.36 | Iriel | I dunno, Acrobat (the product) is pretty neat |
| 00:05.45 | Iriel | I use it for reviewing documents |
| 00:07.18 | AnduinLothar | i cant really stand acrobat myself. I've come to prefer Preview on Mac for viewing. And I usually convert to some other format for editting. |
| 00:07.24 | Codayus | In my experience it's unstable, bloated, slow to start,doesn't always close cleanly, and has a poor UI. |
| 00:08.15 | AnduinLothar | Tho I have a prototype system for editting templated pdf's in a browser that i worked on for a year |
| 00:08.56 | AnduinLothar | it's not really full featured tho and only works for pdf's designed using known templates |
| 00:08.58 | Kirkburn|WoW | Here's a conflicting statement: "As Everquest II continues to grow and new subscribers come in, Scott Hartsman the Senior Producer of Everquest II outlined a series of server consolidations " |
| 00:09.18 | AnduinLothar | it's a poor sentance in general... |
| 00:09.32 | Codayus | The latest version is a bit better than in the past, but still... It's entirely possible to make a pdf viewer that has a vastly smaller footprint and doesn't randomly leave ghost processes that soak up 100% of cpu time... |
| 00:09.53 | Codayus | Kirkburn|WoW: Read the context; it's not entirely conflicting. |
| 00:09.59 | Kirkburn|WoW | I bet this would go down well in WoW: "characters that are at or below level 5 and have less than 1 gold in the game will be deleted" |
| 00:10.29 | Iriel | Active, or inactive characters? |
| 00:10.30 | AnduinLothar | unused for the past month |
| 00:10.47 | Kirkburn|WoW | Ah, Neowin didn't mention that |
| 00:11.10 | AnduinLothar | or three months if you adhear to battle.net standards |
| 00:11.13 | Kirkburn|WoW | Nor did it place the conflicting comment in a better context |
| 00:11.24 | Codayus | The argument is that the game world has become much larger, so even though populations are (claimed) to be growing, they feel consolidation will imporove the player experience. |
| 00:11.58 | Kirkburn|WoW | I'd say 'hmm' to that |
| 00:12.24 | Kirkburn|WoW | But hey, if it makes it better, then fair enough |
| 00:12.40 | Codayus | If you take the statement at face value, you could still see it asevidence that they didn't get the customer base they expected... |
| 00:12.49 | Iriel | if you kill a bunch of people then yourself, one would call that a 'homicidal rampage' more than a 'suicidal rampage' right? |
| 00:12.52 | Kirkburn|WoW | I suppose the expansion will effectively mean one more server for each realm |
| 00:12.56 | Kirkburn|WoW | (in WoW) |
| 00:13.02 | Iriel | I mean, to me, suicidal rampage implies you kill yourself a bunch of times |
| 00:13.34 | Kirkburn|WoW | "The rampage was suicidal" |
| 00:13.53 | AnduinLothar | the person was suicidal, nt the rampage |
| 00:13.58 | Codayus | Iriel: True, but if you kill a bunch of people and yourself at the same time, you'd call it a suicide bombing. I believe...hmmm...one major nesnetwork used the term homicid bombing once or twice, but got mocked for it. |
| 00:14.42 | Iriel | Yes, but 'suicide bombing' is different |
| 00:14.45 | Codayus | Homicidal rampage doesn't imply the suicide... |
| 00:15.02 | Iriel | the suicide is integral to the bombing in that case |
| 00:15.04 | Codayus | But yeah, suicidal rampage just sounds weird. |
| 00:15.48 | Codayus | Hrm, maybe... |
| 00:16.26 | AnduinLothar | MEGA KILL |
| 00:16.29 | Kirkburn|WoW | My rewrite "the rampage was suicidal" is accurate, it isn't saying the rampage suicided! |
| 00:16.46 | AnduinLothar | how can something be suicided? |
| 00:17.03 | Kirkburn|WoW | If I actually added the subject, it would be "John's rampage was suicidal" |
| 00:17.36 | Kirkburn|WoW | oh okay, it isn't saying that the rampage *performed suicide* |
| 00:17.37 | AnduinLothar | how about a rampage by a suicidal maniac? |
| 00:17.51 | Kirkburn|WoW | Well, I'd start by running away |
| 00:18.15 | AnduinLothar | Kadgar's Dagger of Escape |
| 00:18.17 | Codayus | "John's rampage culminated in a suicide." But then it's more of a descriptive sentence...not realy a name. :-) |
| 00:18.53 | Codayus | s/ a / C[C[C[C[C/ |
| 00:20.02 | Codayus | ....wtf? Where did those control codes come from? |
| 00:20.02 | Kirkburn|WoW | That's an interesting suicide :p |
| 00:20.03 | Codayus | They wearn't visible in the edit box before I hit enter...hrm. |
| 00:20.07 | AnduinLothar | spose it's not as bad as a Suicidal Spree |
| 00:20.21 | Iriel | Amusing, since I read the article, they've edited it and it doesn't use the phrase anymore |
| 00:20.28 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:20.49 | Iriel | Though they still use the word 'rampage' 3 times |
| 00:23.06 | AnduinLothar | prolly plays UT |
| 00:23.25 | Codayus | Unstoppable! |
| 00:23.39 | Codayus | Er...nm. |
| 00:23.45 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:23.59 | AnduinLothar | self halting apparently |
| 00:25.20 | Codayus | Comp sci major? |
| 00:25.42 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 00:26.26 | AnduinLothar | nah, i'm tooling with the thesaurus |
| 00:26.36 | AnduinLothar | but yes, comp sci |
| 00:26.49 | AnduinLothar | this is the dev channel, aint it? |
| 00:28.51 | Codayus | I was a comp sci major for a while... |
| 00:30.10 | Codayus | I thought it'd mostly be programming, but it turned out tobe much more boring. :-/ |
| 00:31.01 | Tem | anyone know the name of the app that lets you "fly" through the world? |
| 00:31.13 | Tem | (the wow world) |
| 00:33.25 | MentalPower | wowmapviewer |
| 00:34.18 | MentalPower | hmm... seems to have been nuked from sourceforge |
| 00:34.20 | Tain | Just found the archive I had, search on wowmapview if you can't find it, that's what mine was named. |
| 00:34.39 | Iriel | I love Computer Science, the academic part of it. |
| 00:35.09 | Iriel | Much of the programming stuff you can just do anyway, but the truly interesting bits are the theory |
| 00:35.20 | Iriel | But we've established i'm a bit odd. |
| 00:36.37 | Codayus | I'd probably enjoy it a lot more now than I did then... |
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| 00:57.44 | Tain | Ah now see, I get the amibition to do some coding and I hit logon queues. |
| 00:59.21 | ToastTheif | what is this I hear about Titain? |
| 01:02.03 | Maldivia | you mean, rolls ears... :) |
| 01:02.15 | ToastTheif | hasen't that been covered before, like in general with headphones... |
| 01:02.20 | Tain | heh |
| 01:02.36 | ToastTheif | so Tain? |
| 01:02.44 | Tain | Yes? |
| 01:03.09 | ToastTheif | Titain? |
| 01:03.13 | ToastTheif | what's that about? |
| 01:03.44 | Tain | Just ripped apart Titan a bit. Cleaned up some, took all of the "built ins" and made them separate addons. |
| 01:05.43 | ToastTheif | ic |
| 01:05.46 | ToastTheif | is there a link |
| 01:05.47 | ToastTheif | ? |
| 01:05.54 | ToastTheif | did u ace it too? |
| 01:06.00 | Tain | No Ace. |
| 01:06.07 | ToastTheif | I don't use titan any more, but this sounds intresting |
| 01:07.08 | Tain | on the wowace forums, the Addon ideas and requests forum |
| 01:07.22 | Tain | There's a link in my last post there. |
| 01:07.58 | Tain | http://www.crushingdreams.com/WOW/TitanR02.zip |
| 01:13.13 | cladhaire | what sort of env do you use at work? |
| 01:14.02 | Iriel | Some java websphere, some java standalone, some cold fusion, some perl, some shell, some tomcat/apache, a little bit of jboss |
| 01:14.38 | cladhaire | Typical for e-commerce land |
| 01:15.04 | cladhaire | well, the over-abundance of java i mean =) |
| 01:15.27 | Iriel | it's good stuff. |
| 01:15.33 | Iriel | except, apparently, for me, today |
| 01:15.59 | cladhaire | =( |
| 01:16.22 | cladhaire | I liked ColdFusion back when I had to use it.. seemed very solid and clean, considering what you could do with it |
| 01:16.49 | Tain | Where I am everyone just uses whatever they want. There's java, PowerBuilder, VB on the client side, Solaris, Linux, Windows server side, IIS, Apache, Netscape Enterprise Webserver, Cold Fusion, Websphere, Sybase, Oracle, DB2... |
| 01:16.53 | Iriel | If you treat it right it's quite impressive |
| 01:17.07 | cladhaire | Netscape Enterprise is a beast =) |
| 01:17.41 | cladhaire | we were using 3.0 up until 1999 |
| 01:18.08 | Tain | It's not called netscape anymore, but I have no clue what its current name is. |
| 01:18.11 | Tain | But we're still using it. :) |
| 01:18.17 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:19.34 | Iriel | Which versions of CF are you using? |
| 01:20.57 | Tain | I don't even know, I'm not involved in that side of the house at all. |
| 01:21.59 | ToastTheif | Tain |
| 01:22.10 | ToastTheif | is there a link to like info on titain? |
| 01:22.15 | ToastTheif | I don't have WoW atm |
| 01:22.31 | Tain | There's no info, just the zip. |
| 01:22.34 | ToastTheif | k |
| 01:23.04 | Tain | It's definitely not a long term project I'm going to keep up with. |
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| 01:23.26 | Tain | Just got caught up with it a few weeks back. |
| 01:23.42 | ToastTheif | right all that tech stuff |
| 01:23.46 | cladhaire | I wonder if thats whats making my popup menus small =( |
| 01:23.48 | ToastTheif | no clue what you guys are talking about ;) |
| 01:24.20 | Tain | What popup menus? |
| 01:24.30 | cladhaire | the unitpopups |
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| 01:24.33 | cladhaire | in particular |
| 01:24.37 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 01:24.37 | cladhaire | i should test =) |
| 01:24.39 | cladhaire | they're inconsistent |
| 01:24.42 | cladhaire | some big.. some small |
| 01:24.51 | cladhaire | Aaah it does. |
| 01:24.55 | cladhaire | think its a scaling issue. |
| 01:24.55 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:24.56 | Tain | Well, the world is full of wondrous variety. |
| 01:25.35 | Corrodias | and /b/. |
| 01:25.58 | Tain | I did not actually know until just now that Warriors first 12 buttons are BonusActionButton1 - 12 instead of ActionButton1 - 12 |
| 01:26.22 | Corrodias | well, i know they use the bonus bar for stances... |
| 01:26.32 | Corrodias | correction: i -think- they do |
| 01:27.03 | Iriel | cladhaire : I wonder if it's a post-1.9 scaling holdover |
| 01:27.04 | Tain | Yeah, but since you're always in a stance then it just starts with the BonusActionBar |
| 01:27.39 | Corrodias | you are? whoa :o |
| 01:27.50 | cladhaire | Iriel: I think it is.. perhaps titan uses the default popup menu, and reparents it? |
| 01:28.44 | Tain | It does bad, bad things. |
| 01:30.02 | Corrodias | hmmm... orly.yi.org's macrochan piles site could use some editing :P |
| 01:36.00 | Corrodias | images are not sent with the right MIME type, it would seem, because they are displayed as text |
| 01:37.10 | Corrodias | in my old firefox. maybe it's a FF bug. opera knows what they are. |
| 01:51.00 | Tain | Damnit! Lost is a repeat. |
| 01:51.51 | cladhaire | never got into lost |
| 01:51.56 | cladhaire | where do you think they are? |
| 01:52.06 | Kolth | seattle |
| 01:52.19 | cladhaire | hrm.. interesting theory |
| 01:52.39 | Tain | I'm just enjoying the story. Too many theories ruin it. :) |
| 01:52.52 | cladhaire | my friend has a good one.. but i'll keep it to myself. |
| 01:53.25 | Tain | There's been tons. Some of them the writers have come out and denied outright. But who knows. |
| 01:53.35 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:54.17 | Tain | It's really the only show on TV I make it a point to watch. |
| 01:54.28 | Tain | Other than that it's Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, or Food Network. :) |
| 01:56.13 | Iriel | Interesting fact: Java2 caches DNS resolutions 'forever' |
| 01:56.26 | cladhaire | ... |
| 01:56.26 | cladhaire | wow |
| 01:56.50 | Iriel | Well, until the VM is restarted |
| 01:56.58 | cladhaire | well still |
| 01:57.24 | Iriel | Yeah, our ops group moved a server this afternoon and it just happened to coincide with an application redeploy I did |
| 01:57.33 | Iriel | and I've been trying to work out what I broke for the last hour and a half |
| 01:57.59 | Iriel | The answer being 'nothing', fortunately, or not, depending on where you're sitting. |
| 01:58.18 | Tain | Wow. That's messed up. |
| 01:58.19 | Maldivia | you can't force a purge of the cache at runtime ? |
| 01:59.24 | Iriel | I'm not sure |
| 01:59.44 | Iriel | Ah yes |
| 01:59.45 | Iriel | you can |
| 02:00.05 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.15 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.22 | Iriel | networkaddress.cache.ttl (default: -1) |
| 02:00.34 | ToastTheif | I think they are in Michigan |
| 02:00.48 | Iriel | Indicates the caching policy for successful name lookups from the name service. The value is specified as as integer to indicate the number of seconds to cache the successful lookup. A value of -1 indicates "cache forever". |
| 02:01.13 | Iriel | I guess that's my "something new" to have learned today |
| 02:01.28 | Tain | A friend of mine invited me to move to Michigan. He said there's lots of IT jobs. |
| 02:01.52 | cladhaire | Really? |
| 02:01.55 | cladhaire | I'd miss the coast |
| 02:02.39 | Tain | Ah, doesn't bother me. I am actually thinking about it though, especially since I'm currently looking for both a new job and place to live. |
| 02:03.02 | Iriel | I think "where in michigan" would be a good thing to ask 8-) |
| 02:03.35 | Tain | I already know where, I just wasn't going to say just in case anyone else knows where it is and laughs at me. :) |
| 02:04.35 | ToastTheif | I lived all over michigan |
| 02:04.48 | Tain | See Toast would laugh. |
| 02:04.48 | ToastTheif | so I probally know where |
| 02:05.06 | Tain | If I said I were thinking of moving to Frankenmuth. |
| 02:05.10 | ToastTheif | only if it was like some place in the UP |
| 02:05.24 | ToastTheif | or there |
| 02:05.29 | ToastTheif | funny name |
| 02:05.54 | Tain | Michigan's "Little Bavaria" |
| 02:06.01 | ToastTheif | haha |
| 02:06.22 | ToastTheif | just be glad you aren't move to Michigan's "Little Holland" |
| 02:06.36 | Tain | heh |
| 02:06.46 | ToastTheif | you get fined $100 dollars for stepping on tulips there |
| 02:06.51 | ToastTheif | I kid you not |
| 02:08.14 | Iriel | Hm, anyone know how convenient (or not) the IP ranges of blizzard's servers are |
| 02:08.28 | ToastTheif | I don't even know what that means |
| 02:08.54 | cladhaire | No idea =( |
| 02:09.54 | Iriel | Well, i'm stuck at work because traffic is far more awful than usual, so I was going to fiddle with re-routing wow traffic via my laptop's vpn to home so i could at least test something |
| 02:26.04 | ToastTheif | huh? lol |
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| 03:02.26 | Iriel | I am win! |
| 03:02.42 | Cairenn | grats to you we be giving |
| 03:02.50 | Ktron | Iriel; /nick win! ? |
| 03:03.12 | Iriel | I managed to login to wow via my vpn |
| 03:03.17 | Cairenn | cool |
| 03:03.48 | Iriel | though i'm a zillion patches behind |
| 03:07.26 | Cairenn | you know, it's funny how used to certain things you get, and how things differ from one game to another ... I can't play EQ in 3rd person, I need to be in 1st ... I can't play WoW in 1st, I need to be in 3rd |
| 03:09.43 | Cairenn | (random observation) |
| 03:16.09 | Corrodias | zee zero milligrams, that's insane |
| 03:30.51 | Iriel | Almost caught up on patches!! |
| 03:31.58 | clad|sleep | Night all! |
| 03:32.04 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 03:40.31 | Iriel | Time to go home |
| 03:40.47 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 03:45.50 | Corrodias | i wonder where to return the Tiara of the Deep... hmm. allakhazam it is |
| 03:46.51 | Cairenn | what's her name in Menethil Harbour, isn't it? |
| 03:46.58 | Corrodias | not for the horde |
| 03:47.05 | Cairenn | ah |
| 03:51.24 | zespri | I wish there were some info on fastest /played leveling say 55-60. like a ladder =) |
| 03:54.46 | Ktron | Tabetha perhaps? |
| 03:54.55 | Corrodias | yeah, gotta find her |
| 03:55.06 | Ktron | She's in Dustwallow |
| 03:55.13 | Ktron | kind of in the middle, in a little house thing |
| 03:55.15 | Cairenn | that's who I meant |
| 03:55.23 | Ktron | sort of near the crashed zeppelin |
| 03:55.37 | Cairenn | theremore, not menethil ,couldn't rememegber the zone name |
| 03:55.40 | Cairenn | can't type, either |
| 03:56.41 | Ktron | I think there are oozes next to her too, I don't think 'around' her though |
| 03:57.01 | Ktron | but finding a house is easy enough |
| 03:57.12 | Cairenn | there is sometimes one that paths near |
| 03:58.23 | Cairenn | can you tell it's been a while since I played my mage? |
| 04:07.56 | Corrodias | found her, anyway |
| 04:08.48 | Cairenn | good :) |
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| 04:23.20 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone know whos face is is on the Temp spell icon ? |
| 04:23.35 | Cairenn | actually, I used to know ... forget now |
| 04:23.58 | Corrodias | nice, pcsx2 is still comin' along... |
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| 04:43.08 | Corrodias | oh yeah |
| 04:43.11 | Corrodias | ridin' that pony |
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| 05:07.43 | Tem | nooo! |
| 05:07.47 | Tem | outbid by 1 |
| 05:07.49 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:09.08 | Guillotine | help: why isn't this working? http://wow.pastebin.com/534936 |
| 05:10.25 | Guillotine | it seems like a pretty simple addon, but... |
| 05:11.34 | Guillotine | anyone know? |
| 05:11.38 | Guillotine | anyone actually here? |
| 05:12.22 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:18.29 | Tem | I'm hear but still traumatized |
| 05:18.40 | Tem | I can't decide which to be more upset about |
| 05:19.03 | Tem | The fact that I just lose an azursong mageblade by one point |
| 05:19.19 | Tem | or the fact that I'm upset about losing a virtual sword by one vitual dollar |
| 05:19.53 | Cairenn | I'll take door # 2 please Alex |
| 05:21.00 | zeeg | You may enter HTML/DHTML or CSS in any text field. |
| 05:21.01 | zeeg | Javascript is not allowed. |
| 05:21.04 | zeeg | gotta love myspace... |
| 05:42.39 | Tem|Rag | Un Fucking Believable |
| 05:42.46 | Tem | 2x Wrath |
| 05:42.49 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 05:42.51 | Tem | 2 weeks in a row |
| 05:42.59 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.07 | Tem | we've seen 8 count em //EIGHT// Wrath helms in about 15 ony kills |
| 05:51.38 | Tem | and 1 Netherwind |
| 05:51.51 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 05:52.16 | AnduinLothar | if it makes you feel better i've never seen any of those drop |
| 05:52.26 | AnduinLothar | ever |
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| 06:09.49 | Violentnight | Thanks for the invite, Cairenn--how's everyone doing? |
| 06:09.52 | Tem | Well that's because your guild is noobs |
| 06:10.05 | Tem | I'm torn |
| 06:10.06 | Cairenn | hi Violentnight - it's rather quiet at the moment |
| 06:10.45 | Tem | Hey anyone have any issues with the Gmail notifier plugin today? |
| 06:10.49 | Tem | I can't get it to log in |
| 06:10.52 | Tem | it just hangs |
| 06:11.10 | Ktron | let me check Tem |
| 06:11.14 | Cairenn | haven't tried, Tem |
| 06:11.23 | Ktron | 'Gmail Notifier' or the other one? assuming firefox? |
| 06:11.28 | Tem | right FF |
| 06:11.34 | Fanook | moof |
| 06:11.40 | Tem | What other one? |
| 06:12.07 | Violentnight | Gmail seems to be getting awfully popular.. why do you guys like it? I've never tried it |
| 06:12.16 | Ktron | 'Gmail Manager'... mostly for multiple accounts, I've tried both, like Gmail Notifier extension better |
| 06:12.30 | Ktron | Gmail is intuitive, large, and simple |
| 06:12.50 | Ktron | and it basically has google search designed for email built into it |
| 06:12.59 | Fanook | i have like 3 gmail accounts and i never use them |
| 06:13.27 | Ktron | Lastly, for me, I'd rather support Google than yahoo, msn, lycos, altavista... you get the idea |
| 06:13.35 | Violentnight | oh right... I forgot it's from google. |
| 06:13.36 | Violentnight | haha |
| 06:14.15 | Ktron | I forward all of my student (college) email to my gmail account |
| 06:14.15 | Cairenn | I've got so many freaking accounts it's bloody stupid ... I just use/check a couple of them |
| 06:14.31 | Ktron | and I forward one gmail account into the other |
| 06:14.33 | Violentnight | I used to use hotmail.. then changed to my ISP's mail because of the huge influx of spam.. and now I'm using my school's--which has an awful interface, but it's convenient |
| 06:14.59 | Ktron | gmail notifier also makes gmail convienent, I haven't looked to see if there's a yahoo notifier or such |
| 06:15.50 | AnduinLothar | i just have everything download every 5 min to my software mail client |
| 06:15.53 | Ktron | I do wish I had a few more features in gmail though, but I don't think the others have them... gmail does have free pop3 which is a plus for some people though I don't use it |
| 06:15.54 | AnduinLothar | for 4 accounts |
| 06:15.58 | Violentnight | I considered having the email forwarded, but then wouldn't you have to use the gmail server to respond back? |
| 06:16.45 | Ktron | Violentnight; yep-- you can specify multiple 'from' addresses if you like though, so it appears as if its coming from a non gmail account... I don't bother though |
| 06:17.43 | Ktron | I like using a web interface/server so I don't have to worry about losing email ever, since I tend to have short-lived installs of my operating systems |
| 06:18.50 | Violentnight | AnduinLothar: hah.. I used to do that, but then (like Ktron just said) I had to reformat and lost it all. There was some important stuff that I forgot to back up too. |
| 06:19.00 | Ktron | I wish I could set a blacklist of words for a filter-- ie, if it contains the word 'jdkja!!' it is automatically moved into my spam folder |
| 06:19.15 | AnduinLothar | i've never had to reformat that i can remember |
| 06:19.50 | Cairenn | now where's the adventure in that? |
| 06:19.57 | AnduinLothar | did copy most things from an 80gig to a 200gig and formatted the 80, but i got most everything |
| 06:20.04 | Violentnight | I get so much spam that's exactly the same message but from a different address and if I classify it as junk it just puts the from address onto a blacklist... it's so retarded |
| 06:20.43 | Violentnight | a regex spam filter would be so awesome |
| 06:21.03 | AnduinLothar | mmm, my mail client's pretty smart, i only see maybe 1 or 2 spam a day out of the thousand or two that get delivered. |
| 06:21.17 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 06:21.26 | Ktron | Gmail supposedly has some system that 'automatically' determines what's junk... it's pretty good, I've only had it put 1 or 2 good mail in the spam folder, and I probably don't have to mark more than 5 messages a day spam by hand |
| 06:21.54 | Violentnight | Psh.. one message is too much in my opinion. Spam should be illegal. |
| 06:22.01 | Ktron | (I've had 294 Spam emails ignoring ones I've deleted since 12/27/2005) |
| 06:22.16 | Violentnight | So should spam snail mail.. I get 3-4 things a week that I just immediately toss--it's so wasteful |
| 06:22.46 | Ktron | *sorry, closer to 1 message every 5 days, sorry |
| 06:22.51 | Violentnight | And since I'm so anal, I even check my spam folder on an almost daily basis. Not that I ever get email from anyone--but "just in case" |
| 06:23.08 | Violentnight | Well that's a bit different, Ktron ^_^ |
| 06:23.24 | Ktron | I don't bother looking in my spam folder unless I think I might have missed an important email |
| 06:23.29 | Ktron | or I was told I missed one |
| 06:24.02 | Ktron | Oh, the other feature I'd like in gmail (and I might ask gmail for both of these) |
| 06:24.03 | Violentnight | I wish I had as much self-control |
| 06:25.07 | Ktron | an option to keep all starred mail up top in the folder-- IE, if you're sorting newest--oldest, it should go newest starred to oldest starred, then newest not starred to oldest not starred |
| 06:26.37 | Violentnight | starred? is that a feature of gmail? |
| 06:27.06 | Ktron | yeah... basically a way to mark emails |
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| 06:29.21 | Violentnight | "Gmail is ... built on the idea that you should never have to delete mail" -- gosh that sounds nice. I have to clean out my school's mail like.. once a month.. otherwise I might go over the limit and miss important messages from my teachers |
| 06:29.51 | pagefault | yeah |
| 06:29.56 | pagefault | I get a whopping 10mb |
| 06:30.00 | AnduinLothar | ya my school on eis low, i just have my mail client auto-delete mail from it after downloading |
| 06:30.02 | pagefault | on my school account |
| 06:30.29 | pagefault | someone emails me an attachment and I have to get it right away |
| 06:30.31 | pagefault | or I can't get new mail |
| 06:30.53 | Ktron | Violentnight; actually, gmail recently countered that idea by making the delete button as accessible as the archive button |
| 06:31.25 | Ktron | ceps (college of engineering and physical sciences) students get 50mb, everyone else gets 5mb or 15mb |
| 06:31.39 | Ktron | but that's the same space we need to use for any linux accounts we use too |
| 06:31.44 | Violentnight | I read about that Ktron.. not sure why or where, but I did... it's still nice 'cause there are certain things (like junk) that you know you'll never need again |
| 06:32.37 | Violentnight | pagefault, yeah.. same problem here. I was doing a group project last semester and we were making videos for it and we had to do major compression just to be able to send them through email |
| 06:32.47 | Ktron | Violentnight; yeah, it is... the original argument was mostly based around security-- do you really want a single account to have records all 90% of your passwords, account names, etc, for the past X number of years? heh... I personally am not that concerned with security that I feel like its an issue for me |
| 06:32.52 | Depherios | Ktron: only because people wanted it that way XD |
| 06:33.18 | Ktron | s/like its an/like its not an/ |
| 06:33.32 | Ktron | Depherios; exactly ;) |
| 06:34.34 | Violentnight | .. those two messages were different? |
| 06:34.57 | AnduinLothar | added a not |
| 06:35.06 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:35.11 | Depherios | too bad there's still " records all 90% of your passwords" |
| 06:35.20 | Depherios | err |
| 06:35.28 | Depherios | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.46 | Violentnight | lol yeah, I was more hung up on that part, Depherios |
| 06:36.11 | Depherios | that's what I thought he fixed, until I re-read after you mentioned something |
| 06:36.20 | Violentnight | it's a good point though.. some sites actually send your name password when you request them--rather than a link to change them--and I'm often somewhat concerned about that data being disaplyed there. Email isn't very private |
| 06:36.41 | Depherios | then somebody can get into your email and type "password" LMAO |
| 06:37.31 | Violentnight | oh, with the search? lol.. yeah. This one site I used to belong to (forget which) actually gives me my login information every single time they send me a message. |
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| 06:38.01 | Violentnight | And they'd email me regularly with updates and such .. bleh |
| 06:38.03 | Violentnight | Hey Iriel |
| 06:38.07 | Depherios | 27 emails.... mostly with passords for webages, IRC nicks... and online games and such XD |
| 06:38.18 | AnduinLothar | nnno, not Iriel! AAHHHH!!! RUN! |
| 06:38.55 | Violentnight | oh.. and then if you're like me.. you have 2 relaly good passwords that you use for everything. So if someone finds one of the passwords through your email then they can get into half your stuff |
| 06:39.11 | Depherios | yup |
| 06:39.16 | Depherios | if they knew my Gmail passwords |
| 06:39.18 | AnduinLothar | mmmm wow go boom.. |
| 06:39.21 | Depherios | ... Password* |
| 06:39.38 | Depherios | they'd have everything pretty much, save for WoW, my bank account, and a few things I keep more secure |
| 06:39.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.00 | Violentnight | AnduinLothar: Heh.. my quest log kept freezing WoW after I interacted with it a few times ^_^ |
| 06:40.19 | Violentnight | Depherios: You got WoW right up there with your bank account? lol |
| 06:40.38 | Depherios | requires numbers in the password remember? XD |
| 06:40.43 | AnduinLothar | I'm always scared when i see my addon list all concatonated.. it's like 15 lines long.. |
| 06:40.59 | Cairenn | rofl, someone wants to steal my identity, they are welcome to it - they can have all my bills and my empty bank account, no problem! |
| 06:41.01 | Depherios | if they require numbers, I end up using a non-standard one |
| 06:41.04 | Ktron | Depherios; how many passwords turned up with your search? |
| 06:41.19 | Iriel | I'd give up most of my bills happily, if the thief would pay them |
| 06:41.21 | Depherios | 27 results... all of which but 3 are actual passwords... |
| 06:41.31 | Violentnight | Cairenn: ha |
| 06:41.34 | Depherios | all those passwords being the same save my comcast internet one, which they're welcome to |
| 06:41.50 | Violentnight | Depherios: I have numbers in both my passwords ^_^ |
| 06:42.11 | Cairenn | 1/2 my passwords ARE numbers |
| 06:42.11 | Ktron | heh, that's scary, nearly every single one of my passwords comes up |
| 06:42.13 | Cairenn | not letters |
| 06:42.18 | Violentnight | You got Comcast? I hate you! .. I used to have them, but now I live in AZ and all we have is stupid Cox |
| 06:42.25 | Ktron | I think it's time to generate a new password |
| 06:42.28 | Depherios | .... I hate comcast |
| 06:42.33 | Depherios | ... I miss AT&T |
| 06:42.35 | AnduinLothar | coz sux |
| 06:42.38 | AnduinLothar | cox* |
| 06:42.46 | Ktron | I have comcast at 'home', but I'm in the dorms now |
| 06:42.51 | Violentnight | Comcast ain't great, but it's way better than Cox |
| 06:42.55 | Ktron | and it remains to be seen whether I'm moving back home again or not |
| 06:42.58 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 06:43.05 | AnduinLothar | cox has monkeys doing their tech support |
| 06:43.09 | Violentnight | Dorms? yech.. I got a studio |
| 06:43.53 | Violentnight | Why does Cox package G4 with the sports bundle? They're so not even close to being related. |
| 06:44.10 | pagefault | because G4 rox |
| 06:44.13 | pagefault | rofl! |
| 06:44.26 | Depherios | I hate G4 |
| 06:44.28 | pagefault | everyone needs their nascar and G4 |
| 06:44.28 | Violentnight | And why does google require that you use an email account as your username when I need a google account to get gmail? |
| 06:44.29 | Depherios | I want Tech TV back |
| 06:44.31 | Iriel | G4? |
| 06:44.31 | Depherios | those jerks |
| 06:44.34 | Iriel | oh, that |
| 06:44.38 | Depherios | because jocks love video games |
| 06:44.42 | AnduinLothar | dunno, i dont bother paying for the cable tv, just 4mb down |
| 06:44.43 | Depherios | *shudders** |
| 06:44.52 | pagefault | our "techtv" plays call for help 8 times a day |
| 06:45.05 | Violentnight | G4 used to be awesome.. I heard they started putting on like car-repair shows and the friggin Man Show now though and it's all going to hell |
| 06:45.07 | pagefault | the same episode |
| 06:45.12 | Violentnight | and Screensavers got changed.. them bastards |
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| 06:45.22 | Ktron | whoops |
| 06:45.25 | Depherios | I HATE, that the same jackasses who used to used to make fun of me for playing video games |
| 06:45.34 | Depherios | now make fun of me for not liking GTA and GT4 |
| 06:45.38 | Depherios | ...... WTF |
| 06:45.38 | pagefault | hehe |
| 06:45.42 | Violentnight | lol |
| 06:45.43 | pagefault | it's funny the women they have on G4 |
| 06:45.48 | pagefault | most of them probably have never touched a video game in their life |
| 06:45.58 | Depherios | I hate that the G4 idiots are actors |
| 06:45.59 | Depherios | not gamers |
| 06:46.07 | pagefault | it's all boobage |
| 06:46.09 | Violentnight | the 'badass' chick and 'girl next door' on that one program sound like they know what they're talking about |
| 06:46.11 | pagefault | and nothing else |
| 06:46.23 | Depherios | at least the Xplay people actually PLAY games |
| 06:46.33 | pagefault | xplay has gotten bad though |
| 06:46.37 | pagefault | it's not as good as it used to be |
| 06:46.38 | Depherios | the "girl next door" isn't a gamer, but she is a tech fiend... the badass chick is a carry over from some other show |
| 06:46.40 | Depherios | yeah |
| 06:46.44 | Depherios | they changed their staff |
| 06:46.45 | Violentnight | oh Morgan.. yeah.. she definitely sounds/looks like a gamer |
| 06:46.51 | Depherios | it was good until G4 touched it |
| 06:46.54 | pagefault | their jokes aren't funny anymore |
| 06:46.58 | Depherios | yeah |
| 06:46.59 | pagefault | it's like they try too hard |
| 06:47.02 | Depherios | well I think a lot of the staff quit |
| 06:47.03 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 06:47.06 | Depherios | I know the announcer did |
| 06:47.10 | Violentnight | nice |
| 06:47.18 | Violentnight | "my voice is too good for this show.. goodbye!" |
| 06:47.18 | pagefault | even making fun of DBZ doesn't have the same touch as it idid |
| 06:47.20 | pagefault | err did |
| 06:47.27 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:47.30 | Depherios | I don't watch TV anymore |
| 06:47.32 | Depherios | so I wouldn't know XD |
| 06:47.47 | Depherios | and I definitely don't need Xplay |
| 06:47.53 | pagefault | it sucks that G4 bought techtv |
| 06:47.54 | Depherios | ... I deal with games enough at work XD |
| 06:47.56 | pagefault | and just got rid of it |
| 06:47.56 | Violentnight | I've been watching less and less since I moved out.. though I do find myself watching 4 hours straight of Roseanne everynight as I lay in bed trying to sleep |
| 06:47.59 | pagefault | thats what pisses me off |
| 06:48.07 | Depherios | yeah |
| 06:48.14 | Depherios | even the old screensavers web page archives are gone |
| 06:48.21 | Depherios | for awhile they said they'd put them back up |
| 06:48.25 | Depherios | .... then they just dissapeared |
| 06:48.27 | pagefault | usually when you buy something you buy it because you would like to include it |
| 06:48.29 | Violentnight | Screensavers was awesome.. they taught me about war driving |
| 06:48.35 | pagefault | but in that case all they did was want to dismantle it |
| 06:48.47 | Depherios | they kept uh...... Xplay and the Anime |
| 06:48.56 | Violentnight | Anime sucks |
| 06:48.58 | Depherios | and a few hosts... |
| 06:49.06 | pagefault | probably at reduced pay |
| 06:49.08 | Depherios | the only good thing they've ever shown was Lain |
| 06:49.18 | Violentnight | Lain? |
| 06:49.37 | pagefault | some of their shows have potential |
| 06:49.39 | pagefault | like icons |
| 06:49.42 | pagefault | it could be good |
| 06:49.46 | pagefault | if they put more than 5 minutes of work into it |
| 06:49.48 | Depherios | Serial Experiments Lain |
| 06:49.59 | Violentnight | I liked watching Icons.. it was very educational |
| 06:50.05 | Depherios | some of the FIRST Icons were fantastic |
| 06:50.06 | pagefault | yeah but it could have been done better |
| 06:50.08 | Depherios | like the tetris one |
| 06:50.09 | Violentnight | Serial Expirements Lain? |
| 06:50.11 | pagefault | now they are kinda lazy |
| 06:50.13 | Depherios | then they just went downhill |
| 06:50.19 | pagefault | the one about tetris was cool |
| 06:50.22 | Depherios | Anime Violent XD just google it |
| 06:50.25 | Violentnight | hehe.. never saw that one |
| 06:50.26 | pagefault | I didn't know nintendo was so naughty |
| 06:50.34 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:50.44 | pagefault | I knew about their bullying the devs |
| 06:50.47 | pagefault | but not stealing software |
| 06:50.48 | Violentnight | You didn't know Nintendo was naughty? .... so what'd you think they meant when they said "Touching is Good" |
| 06:51.01 | pagefault | if you developed for consoles other than nintendo |
| 06:51.03 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:51.06 | pagefault | then nintendo had rom chip "shortages" |
| 06:51.08 | Depherios | some of the adds for the DS are great |
| 06:51.32 | Violentnight | Nintendo is awesome.. I hope their Revolution goes over well--it's looking iffy. |
| 06:51.34 | pagefault | mainly why SMS and TG16 never made it |
| 06:51.39 | pagefault | because nintendo was being the bully |
| 06:52.10 | Violentnight | All big companies had to bully someone at some point ^_^ |
| 06:52.20 | Violentnight | Microsoft is still doing it |
| 06:52.46 | pagefault | microsoft is more of a drug dealer |
| 06:53.00 | Violentnight | lol |
| 06:53.27 | Cairenn | If we want to be successful I have to be me? Damn it, why do I keep missing the memos on these things? |
| 06:53.27 | pagefault | but they sell you drugs that don't do anything for you |
| 06:53.35 | Cairenn | s/me/mean/ |
| 06:54.14 | Violentnight | omg.. purl is a bot, isn't he? |
| 06:54.18 | Ktron | just wait, a few more years... the G-tendo or the Goostation or the XGoogle will come out, and it will pwn you all ;) |
| 06:54.23 | Cairenn | ya think? |
| 06:54.24 | Violentnight | I just figured it out |
| 06:54.26 | Violentnight | lol |
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| 06:54.44 | Ktron | purl, cheer for Violentnight |
| 06:54.45 | purl | ACTION cheers for Violentnight on |
| 06:54.52 | Cairenn | ~botsnack |
| 06:54.52 | purl | Cairenn: aw, gee |
| 06:55.04 | Iriel | Heh, from my readme (I wrote this earlier but didn't notice the pun until now): * Cleaned up sauce code |
| 06:55.06 | Violentnight | purl meant: purl cheers for Violentnight |
| 06:55.08 | Ktron | who, emulate Cairenn |
| 06:55.12 | Ktron | purl, emulate Cairenn |
| 06:55.13 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 06:55.26 | Cairenn | rofl Iriel |
| 06:55.27 | Ktron | nice Iriel |
| 06:55.39 | Violentnight | ... I don't get it, Iriel |
| 06:55.57 | Iriel | I have an addon called 'SecretSauce' |
| 06:55.59 | Cairenn | he cleaned up the sauce? |
| 06:56.01 | Iriel | So it's sauce/source code. |
| 06:56.11 | Iriel | I was referring to cleaning up the sauce implementations |
| 06:57.01 | Ktron | perl, pun |
| 06:57.02 | Violentnight | oh.. so that's what that means... now I get it |
| 06:57.20 | Cairenn | umm, wow? where the hell did the last 2 hrs go? I looked at the time and it was midnight, now it's 2 am ... |
| 06:57.23 | Violentnight | purl, pun |
| 06:57.24 | purl | I should be punish'ed for every pun I shed; leave not a puny shred of \my punnish head |
| 06:57.25 | Violentnight | ? |
| 06:57.32 | Ktron | there we go |
| 06:57.37 | Violentnight | lol |
| 06:57.41 | Ktron | purl; emulate Iriel |
| 06:57.43 | purl | ACTION is beyond emulation. |
| 06:57.56 | Violentnight | Well it's midnight here, so umm... there ya go |
| 06:58.10 | Violentnight | Where are you that it's 2AM? .. Alaska? |
| 06:58.16 | Cairenn | I hate it when I lose random hours |
| 06:58.18 | Cairenn | Ontario |
| 06:58.31 | Violentnight | I was close ^_^ |
| 06:58.36 | Cairenn | *randomly lose hours |
| 06:58.37 | Ktron | It's 2AM in EST us right now... |
| 06:58.40 | Cairenn | whatever |
| 06:58.41 | Violentnight | Are all Canadian women as hot as the ones that I see on personal sites? |
| 06:58.43 | Ktron | ie, the entire east coast |
| 06:58.58 | Cairenn | no |
| 06:59.06 | Violentnight | oh oh.. right... forward in time is east, not west |
| 06:59.07 | Ktron | They're hotter! |
| 06:59.12 | Violentnight | haha |
| 06:59.23 | Ktron | They have to be to beat the cold ;) |
| 06:59.57 | Violentnight | lol |
| 07:00.27 | Ktron | [Canadian] What do you expect eh I'm a smartass college boy in the states |
| 07:00.50 | Cairenn | ~lart Ktron |
| 07:00.58 | Violentnight | Yeah.. we're American.. you can't hold us accountable for anything |
| 07:01.06 | Violentnight | nice |
| 07:01.32 | Violentnight | I've always wanted to live in Canada though--and I never understood why Canadians get such a bad rap |
| 07:01.49 | pagefault | they are just jealous of our superiour looking women and beer |
| 07:02.00 | Cairenn | because you're jealous ... (you being Americans) |
| 07:02.15 | Violentnight | ha.. I could understand that (the women, at least.. I don't drink beer) |
| 07:02.36 | krka | we in europe can't tell the difference between americans and canadians :P |
| 07:02.40 | Ktron | well, a few beers, and everyone's hotter |
| 07:02.53 | pagefault | I probably couldn't tell the difference between a belgian and a frenchman |
| 07:03.40 | Ktron | I don't think I could tell anyone apart except by trying to listen to what language they natively speak or if they had an outrageous accent |
| 07:03.52 | pagefault | when I go to europe they always think I am american |
| 07:04.00 | pagefault | I always have to correct them :P |
| 07:04.17 | Violentnight | I can tell the difference between an african-american and a mexican! |
| 07:04.18 | Iriel | People ask me if i'm australian, which I find incredibly amusing |
| 07:04.19 | Cairenn | sure you can krka, here's how: Canadians are polite, courteous, well mannered. Americans have great big huge Canadian Flag patches sewn onto everything they own in the attempt to make Europeans think they are Canadian and thus treat them well |
| 07:04.20 | Violentnight | oo ya.. go me |
| 07:04.22 | Ktron | too bad most hate-criminalists won't bother to ask first :( |
| 07:04.41 | pagefault | I know some americans that have canadian flags on their luggage |
| 07:04.42 | Iriel | Canadians say aboat instead of about. |
| 07:04.46 | pagefault | because they think they get better service |
| 07:04.54 | Violentnight | Australia would be another cool place to live--granted, I don't know much of anything about it other then that it's the only continent that's it's own country |
| 07:05.06 | Violentnight | s/country/continent s/continent/country |
| 07:05.10 | Ktron | Iriel; think it's closer to 'a-boot' depending on the location |
| 07:05.15 | Cairenn | pagefault: we *are* treated better, if it's known that we're Canadian, not American |
| 07:05.24 | Iriel | Personal experience says it's "aboat" |
| 07:05.29 | pagefault | i've never heard anyone say a-boot |
| 07:05.31 | Iriel | but that's to english ears |
| 07:05.42 | Depherios | you say boat funny anyway XD |
| 07:05.42 | Ktron | Violentnight; wrong-- the continent is actually Oceania, not Australia |
| 07:05.46 | Iriel | you americans have different vowel-sound sensitivity |
| 07:05.53 | Cairenn | Iriel: not true, you heard me say "about" during BlizzCon, I didn't say "aboat" or "a-boot" or anything else :p |
| 07:06.11 | Violentnight | a boat? |
| 07:06.14 | pagefault | american spelling is silly |
| 07:06.33 | Iriel | You say 'about' as 'aboat' |
| 07:06.36 | Iriel | really, you do |
| 07:06.38 | Violentnight | That boat was a boat fifty feet wide. |
| 07:06.38 | Iriel | you just dont know you do |
| 07:06.45 | Cairenn | do not |
| 07:06.46 | pagefault | no way |
| 07:06.53 | pagefault | maybe if you are from like |
| 07:06.55 | pagefault | thunder bay |
| 07:06.57 | Ktron | My girlfriend's family (that we've visited) lives near ottowa mostly, and up there I heard 'a-boot' and I discovered eh was more often mid sentence ("There's more pizza in the fridge eh if you get hungry") than at the end |
| 07:07.13 | pagefault | or from newfoundland |
| 07:07.16 | pagefault | I can't even understand some of those guys |
| 07:07.16 | Cairenn | rofl pagefault, naw, if they're from the rock |
| 07:07.22 | Violentnight | lol I say eh when I type, but not when I talk |
| 07:07.46 | Ktron | I definitely prefer grey to gray, but not armour and colour to armor and color |
| 07:07.49 | Cairenn | pagefault: just have a mug of screech, you'll understand them just fine |
| 07:07.58 | pagefault | what |
| 07:07.59 | pagefault | screech? |
| 07:08.02 | Depherios | what about offence and defence? |
| 07:08.31 | Violentnight | I like grey and gray... grey is like a color and gray like hair... I dunno why. I hate colour and armour and all those other ours though |
| 07:08.50 | Violentnight | you mean offense and defense? |
| 07:09.00 | Depherios | no... offence and defence XD |
| 07:09.05 | pagefault | optimise |
| 07:09.09 | Violentnight | lol I hate that |
| 07:09.11 | Violentnight | omg.. optimize! |
| 07:09.17 | Ktron | Depherios; I don't think I knew about those... aluminum pronounced Al-lew-mini-um is way more fun though ;) |
| 07:09.19 | Violentnight | you people are just talkin crazy |
| 07:09.20 | Cairenn | definitely |
| 07:09.45 | pagefault | if you use z in your words you say z like zed |
| 07:09.49 | pagefault | but if you say z alone it's zee? |
| 07:09.51 | pagefault | makes no sense |
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| 07:10.00 | Ktron | optimise I think looks better... is it 'analyse'? too? |
| 07:10.12 | Cairenn | optimize, apologize, analyze |
| 07:10.15 | Violentnight | analyze! |
| 07:10.20 | Violentnight | I hate the way the 's' looks |
| 07:10.24 | Cairenn | and said alone, it's zed |
| 07:10.34 | pagefault | zeeeeeeee |
| 07:10.39 | Cairenn | zed |
| 07:10.40 | pagefault | even power rangers got it right |
| 07:10.41 | pagefault | zed |
| 07:10.46 | Ktron | I know it's analyze in US, is it analyse elsewhere? |
| 07:11.03 | Iriel | Ktron : It's actually SPELLED Aluminium over there |
| 07:11.14 | Violentnight | optimise looks like... opti mice |
| 07:11.15 | Ktron | offence and defence I guess is more consistent, but looks more wrong to me, |
| 07:11.18 | pagefault | they say alu-minium |
| 07:11.29 | Ktron | de-mise, opti-mise, sur-mise... |
| 07:11.35 | Ktron | we don't use demize and surmize |
| 07:11.42 | Violentnight | how is offence and defence more consistent than offense and defense? |
| 07:11.51 | Depherios | how do you spell fence? |
| 07:11.55 | Ktron | Iriel; I didn't know it was spelled differently too |
| 07:11.59 | Ktron | Depherios; just like that |
| 07:12.11 | Depherios | so why is it offense? instead of offence? XD |
| 07:13.23 | Ktron | non us english is probably more consistent... I'm not sure if there's any -our words left in us english that haven't been changed like color and armor |
| 07:13.46 | Ktron | colour looks like 'col-ower' to me |
| 07:13.47 | Cairenn | colour, armour, neighbour ... bloody yanks |
| 07:14.21 | Iriel | One of my biggest pet peeves is 'herb' |
| 07:14.22 | Ktron | Are there any others? I think we might have correctly changed all of those |
| 07:14.30 | Ktron | Iriel; opposed to? |
| 07:14.34 | Cairenn | don't pronounce the "h" |
| 07:14.47 | pagefault | I noticed a lot of american's say .com as "caaam" |
| 07:14.49 | Iriel | Americans seem to have forgotten that it starts with an h |
| 07:15.04 | Iriel | Do you say 'ospital? 'elpdesk? 'elicopter? |
| 07:15.12 | Iriel | No, but you all say 'erb |
| 07:15.15 | Ktron | pagefault; I don't do that... I definitely say the h in herb, and herbology |
| 07:15.37 | pagefault | hahah |
| 07:15.39 | pagefault | silent h |
| 07:15.52 | Iriel | *WHY* ? |
| 07:15.58 | pagefault | BBC stereotypes you |
| 07:16.00 | pagefault | thank them |
| 07:16.02 | Iriel | There's absolutely no logic to it whatsoever |
| 07:16.06 | Cairenn | "w" - double yah ... what's up with that? it's double you |
| 07:16.20 | Ktron | "When I'm in the south they say "Ya'll" in the south they take out the O and the U. So when I'm in the south I try to talk like that so people understand me. Hello can I have a bowl of chicken noodle sp? come on I'm in the south you understand. I mean I'm in the sth and I want some sp. I stubbed my toe ch. I need to lay down on the cch. I need to get the fck t f the sth." |
| 07:17.12 | pagefault | double double |
| 07:17.16 | Iriel | If that was done phonetically it might be funny |
| 07:17.22 | pagefault | I am sure if I said I wanted my coffee like that in the US |
| 07:17.24 | pagefault | they would be wtf? |
| 07:17.32 | Ktron | double yah double yah double yah is definitely easier to say, and 'dubble yah', as in the president, it's a nickname so its intentionally said differently |
| 07:17.53 | Iriel | www is easiest as triple-dub |
| 07:17.58 | Ktron | Iriel; that quote is normally spoken, harder to follow, and much more fun :) |
| 07:18.03 | pagefault | I think canada consumes the most donuts and coffee per capita |
| 07:18.38 | Cairenn | at least we know how to make coffee - that swill they serve at dunkin' donuts ... ewwwww |
| 07:18.56 | pagefault | well you know whats funny |
| 07:19.00 | Ktron | Cairenn; 2nd cup or starbucks? |
| 07:19.02 | pagefault | all the tim hortons coffee we drink is actually roasted in the US |
| 07:19.06 | Ktron | or tim hortons or something? |
| 07:19.15 | Cairenn | tim hortons |
| 07:19.29 | Ktron | heh... I've been there... along with Canadian tire |
| 07:19.53 | Ktron | and some canadian version of big lots |
| 07:20.03 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, why the FUCK doesn't the US have something comparable to Canadian Tire? |
| 07:20.06 | Ktron | Anyway, I need to go to sleep |
| 07:20.07 | Iriel | That's some good stuff that tim hortons' |
| 07:20.11 | pagefault | heh |
| 07:20.13 | pagefault | crappy tire |
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| 07:20.27 | Ktron | purl, night |
| 07:20.29 | purl | G'night ktron, get out of here. |
| 07:20.32 | Ktron | And the same to the rest of you |
| 07:20.37 | pagefault | think walmart has a hardware store |
| 07:20.39 | Cairenn | night Ktron, sweet dreams :) |
| 07:20.39 | pagefault | and you have CT |
| 07:21.05 | pagefault | but walmart doesn't have it's own money |
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| 07:21.07 | Iriel | Hm, what's canadian tire? |
| 07:21.17 | Cairenn | hardware chain |
| 07:21.20 | Iriel | Own money? Sounds like something Sears would have done |
| 07:21.30 | pagefault | you get bonus money when you buy stuff you can redeem for merchandise |
| 07:21.49 | Iriel | Ah, I get that at Best Buy |
| 07:22.26 | Cairenn | rofl, pagefault, you hear the one about Crappy Tire money? |
| 07:23.04 | Cairenn | this *isn't* a urban legend, even though folks think it is ... I know it's real because it was my aunt and uncle that saw it |
| 07:23.05 | pagefault | sure |
| 07:23.11 | pagefault | err no I haven't |
| 07:24.16 | Cairenn | they were off on one of their jaunts, believe it was somewhere in Africa ... they went into this museum and one of the exhibits was a collection of coins and bills from all over the world ... and sitting proudly there was a Canadian Tire dollar ... someone had convinced them that it was our actual money |
| 07:24.28 | pagefault | hahahahaha |
| 07:24.44 | pagefault | you know some vintage ones would be worth sometime |
| 07:24.45 | Cairenn | I kid you not, it really truly happened |
| 07:24.45 | pagefault | err something |
| 07:25.09 | Cairenn | my aunt and uncle were laughing so hard while they told us the story |
| 07:27.23 | Cairenn | wow, I didn't think it was that bad :p |
| 07:27.40 | Tem | what's a tire dollar? |
| 07:28.44 | Cairenn | Canadian Tire is a chain of hardware stores here in Canada, they have their own "bonus" money that you get for every purchase you make in their stores, which can then be used toward your next purchase |
| 07:29.16 | pagefault | ? |
| 07:29.39 | Tem | ... |
| 07:29.50 | Tem | you canucks are weird |
| 07:29.54 | pagefault | I usually waste it on junk food |
| 07:30.33 | Cairenn | I had enough saved up, I bought a $400 tent with it - mind you, the tent was on sale for 1/2 price, but still |
| 07:30.33 | Tem | wait |
| 07:30.50 | Tem | they sell more than tires there? |
| 07:30.51 | pagefault | it's nice they let you use it on sale items |
| 07:31.17 | AnduinLothar | that sounds liek a nice tent |
| 07:31.22 | Violentnight | so who wants to volunteer to get my timer object working in WoW while I'm cooking? ^_^ |
| 07:31.22 | pagefault | they used to sell tires only |
| 07:31.23 | AnduinLothar | is it easy to set up? |
| 07:31.23 | pagefault | hence the name |
| 07:31.35 | pagefault | now they sell almost everything |
| 07:31.58 | AnduinLothar | it's a hardware store, they se hardware |
| 07:31.59 | Tem | Violentnight, what kind of timer object? |
| 07:32.04 | pagefault | my local CT has some 4x cdrs for sale still |
| 07:32.24 | Iriel | Tem, tem, tem, did you stop reading the forums altogether? |
| 07:32.28 | Violentnight | the one Iriel has been trying to help me with all day on Blizzard's WoW forum |
| 07:32.28 | Cairenn | if I want serious hardware store, I use Home Depot - if I want leisure/camping/sporting/gardening, I use Canadian Tire |
| 07:32.29 | Violentnight | lol |
| 07:32.36 | Tem | Iriel, well yeah |
| 07:32.43 | pagefault | yeah CT rocks for fishing stuff |
| 07:32.44 | Tem | Iriel, I went to get food |
| 07:32.50 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=312343&p=1&tmp=1#post312343 |
| 07:32.58 | Tem | Iriel, then it was raid time.. |
| 07:34.34 | Violentnight | I was in a raid once... I think... we had a huge group of people going to attack the horde and, on the way, about half of us died. And then, as we were nearing the city, a tauren came by--shapeshifted into a bear--and killed us all |
| 07:34.48 | Tem | by raid I meant MC |
| 07:35.09 | Iriel | Is MC still fun for you? or is it a chore? |
| 07:35.16 | Tem | It's a chore |
| 07:35.25 | Tem | getting loot is fun on occasion |
| 07:35.35 | Violentnight | oh.. well I haven't been there yet |
| 07:35.35 | Tem | but tonight was painful |
| 07:35.46 | Tem | Azuresong Mageblade dropped |
| 07:35.54 | Tem | my #1 desire atm |
| 07:35.59 | Tem | I was outbid by 1 point |
| 07:36.03 | pagefault | i'd like that |
| 07:36.13 | pagefault | bid? |
| 07:36.16 | Tem | dkp |
| 07:36.21 | Violentnight | ouch |
| 07:36.27 | Tem | I went all in with my 74 points |
| 07:36.42 | Tem | the person who won knew I felt that way about it so he bid 75 |
| 07:36.54 | Violentnight | MC couldn't possibly be any less fun than being on a team of 20+ guys all running around aimlessly screaming for their lives as a giant bear chases down and mauls them one-by-one |
| 07:37.12 | Tem | MC isn't fun because it isn't a challenge anymore |
| 07:37.34 | Tem | we just go in a whack some oversized clowns and they give us their puple toys. |
| 07:37.58 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 07:38.07 | Tem | Then we downed Rag again |
| 07:38.16 | Tem | and he dropped 2 legplates of wrath |
| 07:38.25 | Tem | which is what he dropped last week |
| 07:38.27 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.32 | Violentnight | aww |
| 07:39.01 | Tem | (imagine the "Strongbone can't use a buckler!" comment) |
| 07:39.03 | pagefault | it's clearly a warlock item |
| 07:39.07 | pagefault | </sarcasm> |
| 07:39.30 | pagefault | do mages benefit much from offhand items? |
| 07:39.34 | pagefault | most mages I see use staves |
| 07:39.47 | Violentnight | Does anyone benefit from off-hand items? |
| 07:39.47 | Tem | meh |
| 07:39.54 | AnduinLothar | ARE there any good offhands? |
| 07:39.59 | Tem | oh yeah |
| 07:40.03 | pagefault | firestone or spellstone if you are a warlock |
| 07:40.05 | Tem | Fire Runed Grimoire |
| 07:40.17 | Tem | Ancient Cornerstone Grimoire |
| 07:40.17 | pagefault | spellstone vs a mage is just overkill |
| 07:40.24 | pagefault | if you can't already win with a felhunter |
| 07:40.24 | pagefault | hehe |
| 07:40.29 | Tem | Tome of the (Fire/Frost) Lord |
| 07:40.35 | Tem | Tome of Shadow something |
| 07:40.48 | pagefault | I saw one book or something that had like +8 to all stats |
| 07:40.50 | pagefault | looked decent |
| 07:41.03 | Tem | oh that's the spellbound tome |
| 07:41.21 | pagefault | swords look cooler |
| 07:41.29 | Tem | I'm sorry it's Tome of Fiery Arcana |
| 07:41.32 | Violentnight | I saw the Ub3r L33t Book of Pwnage once |
| 07:41.38 | Tem | and Tome of the Frost Lord |
| 07:41.45 | Tem | (both AV exaulted rewards) |
| 07:42.04 | Violentnight | exaulted? .. is that another Canadian thing? |
| 07:42.05 | pagefault | I can't bring myself to stay in AV longer than an hour |
| 07:42.09 | Tem | The caster reward for turning in Nefarian's head is a really nice offhand |
| 07:42.21 | Tem | I really like AV, but it only runs on the holiday weekends on my server |
| 07:42.28 | Tem | and the Q is 5 hours long |
| 07:42.46 | Tem | last time I waited for an AV game I got in 2 minutes before it ended |
| 07:42.50 | Tem | I was crushed |
| 07:42.55 | Violentnight | nice |
| 07:42.57 | pagefault | i've never been in a winning game of AV |
| 07:43.03 | Tem | at least we won |
| 07:43.12 | Tem | so I got real fast honor |
| 07:43.17 | pagefault | the alliance is way too decked out on my server |
| 07:43.23 | pagefault | so many BWL people |
| 07:43.38 | pagefault | most of them suck too which is sad |
| 07:43.42 | pagefault | seems like a waste of gear |
| 07:44.07 | pagefault | one guild on my server has people playing their accounts 24/7 |
| 07:44.17 | pagefault | they pay other people to play them so they can get marshal and such |
| 07:44.31 | Violentnight | someone should make a trivia bot about WoW addons |
| 07:45.00 | pagefault | it sucks though because there are guys who are passed out at the keyboard trying to get warlord |
| 07:46.02 | Violentnight | Since WoW accounts aren't resellable since Blizzard withholds the rights to them... if I were to obtain someone's name/password, would I really be stealing the account? Since that person didn't "own" it in the first place... |
| 07:46.29 | Cairenn | >< |
| 07:46.47 | pagefault | I guess you could argue that |
| 07:46.55 | pagefault | but blizzard could argue they didn't license the account to you |
| 07:47.05 | Violentnight | ^_^ I love my law class |
| 07:47.37 | Violentnight | yeah, but all they could relaly do is give access back to the original holder (if they wanted to)... since I'm not actually stealing it, they couldn't really press charges against me--could they? |
| 07:47.43 | pagefault | I think the hordes of lawyers on blizzards side would win though |
| 07:48.12 | Violentnight | (of course, by "I" and "me" I mean some hypothetical person--not me) |
| 07:49.50 | Violentnight | I find it interesting that accounts can't be sold.. I imagine money can't be sold because it was ruin the economy--and accounts, then, also can't be sold for the same reason. But I don't think Blizzard can do anything to prevent someone from commissioning someone else to play their account in order to obtain high amounts of gold/experience for them |
| 07:50.09 | Cairenn | sure they can |
| 07:50.20 | Cairenn | since it's already written in that you can't share your account |
| 07:50.20 | Tem | Violentnight, metatables are your friend. |
| 07:50.31 | pagefault | they would have to prove you were sharing your account |
| 07:50.41 | Cairenn | and you agree to that every time you log in |
| 07:50.59 | Violentnight | I hate metatables! |
| 07:51.13 | Fanook | perhaps an intersting application of fruad |
| 07:51.21 | Fanook | *fraud |
| 07:51.32 | Violentnight | You have to be able to share your account... otherwise, minors would be unable to play |
| 07:51.56 | Cairenn | that's covered too |
| 07:52.11 | Cairenn | hang on, let me find the actual wording |
| 07:52.26 | Violentnight | I looked over the Terms of Use the other day--I don't recall it |
| 07:53.24 | Violentnight | hrmm.. was I supposed to stop cooking dinner at 12:50 or 1:00..? |
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| 07:54.10 | Violentnight | where's the timestamp option in mIRC? |
| 07:54.20 | Tem | not a clue |
| 07:54.27 | Cairenn | 1.Establishment of a World of Warcraft Account. |
| 07:54.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.30 | Violentnight | that's not helpful! =P |
| 07:54.31 | Tem | grab xchat and I can tell you where |
| 07:54.58 | Fanook | Options -> IRC -> Messages |
| 07:55.05 | Cairenn | how much got through before it cut off? |
| 07:55.06 | Tem | does that mean that you can't own more than 1 account? |
| 07:55.08 | Violentnight | or any other form of l .. ? |
| 07:55.29 | Violentnight | Tem, depends on how they define "you" -- lol |
| 07:56.08 | Violentnight | great.. so now I get timestamps.. that doesn't really help to see what time a message was sent previously ^_^ |
| 07:56.26 | Tem | I'd love to start replying to the "how do I control my other character when I two box" threads with "Owning 2 accounts is against the EULA." |
| 07:56.54 | Tem | hah! xchat would fill in the timestamps for the old chat |
| 07:56.59 | Cairenn | I don't think that is actually the case, but it could be interpreted that way I suppose |
| 07:57.18 | Tem | Cairenn, I kinda wish it was. Two-Boxing erks me |
| 07:57.27 | Violentnight | I think it means that any one person can only hold one account--makes sense. |
| 07:59.34 | Violentnight | so where's the rest of it? |
| 07:59.51 | Cairenn | the rest of what? |
| 08:00.01 | Violentnight | lol it cutt off after "or any other form of l" |
| 08:00.43 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.18 | Violentnight | Account. Notwit |
| 08:01.33 | Violentnight | where do you find the EULA at? Maybe tht'd be easier.. lol |
| 08:01.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.03 | Cairenn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html |
| 08:02.07 | Violentnight | that's pretty interesting--Blizzard sure does have some good lawyers |
| 08:02.13 | Cairenn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/index.html;jsessionid=B4B9971288954AF18918094EEBA57FD5.08_app03 |
| 08:03.06 | Violentnight | nice.. gotta read all that sometime |
| 08:03.45 | Tem | hah |
| 08:03.50 | Violentnight | splitString = "I'm ".."happy!"; |
| 08:04.03 | Tem | so it does look like two-boxing is against the TOS |
| 08:04.13 | Tem | Violentnight, that's concatenation not spliting |
| 08:04.19 | Tem | =P |
| 08:04.25 | Violentnight | dammit! |
| 08:04.42 | Tem | I can't wait until someone else posts about two-boxing |
| 08:04.48 | Violentnight | see, this is why one of you kind people should make my Timer object for me =) |
| 08:04.49 | Tem | Cairenn, what doccument is that from? |
| 08:04.52 | Violentnight | lol Tem |
| 08:05.31 | Violentnight | Terms of Use, Section 1, Article A--you can sound all fancy |
| 08:05.39 | Cairenn | Tem: ToU |
| 08:05.43 | Violentnight | or is it article and then section? |
| 08:05.49 | Tem | NOT SURE |
| 08:05.53 | Cairenn | there's more in the EULA as well, obviously |
| 08:06.00 | Tem | well it looks like I found my capslock key |
| 08:06.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:06.15 | Tem | Violentnight, I'm tempted to write it |
| 08:06.37 | Cairenn | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=322&Set=0 |
| 08:06.51 | Cairenn | love her face, really well done |
| 08:07.04 | Tem | she's got a face? |
| 08:07.11 | Violentnight | yeah--that's sexy, Cairenn |
| 08:07.15 | Tem | oh I see I need to scroll up |
| 08:07.38 | Violentnight | face looks almost too smooth |
| 08:07.43 | Cairenn | yeah I know, you guys only see from her neck down :p |
| 08:07.52 | Tem | wow the face is creeping me out |
| 08:07.55 | Violentnight | actually.. first thing I notice about a girl is her hair |
| 08:07.59 | Violentnight | lol Tem |
| 08:08.09 | Tem | she looks almost exactly like my ex |
| 08:08.25 | Violentnight | you mean.. if your ex was incredibly hot and had an awesome body? |
| 08:08.38 | Tem | well |
| 08:08.53 | Tem | My ex isn't far from that |
| 08:09.10 | Tem | yeah she could definately pull that outfit off |
| 08:09.24 | Violentnight | I haven't been in a decent relationship in .. forever. Don't step on my bitterness! :-P |
| 08:09.26 | Tem | same hair too |
| 08:09.35 | Tem | wow... creepy |
| 08:09.45 | Tem | (that's on the net) |
| 08:09.59 | Violentnight | google her name.. lol |
| 08:10.20 | Cairenn | that doesn't always work |
| 08:10.22 | Tem | lol I just did |
| 08:10.39 | Violentnight | haha.. okay then, images.google her name |
| 08:10.40 | Cairenn | a google on my name wouldn't come up with a single thing for me (my RL name, that is) |
| 08:10.40 | Tem | and the second result is our highschool's webpage |
| 08:10.50 | Violentnight | nice |
| 08:10.53 | Tem | well she has a fairly unique name |
| 08:11.00 | Violentnight | I have a bunch of stuff come up on me, Cairenn |
| 08:11.02 | Tem | mine doesn't pull anything about me either |
| 08:11.16 | Violentnight | one time I wa slike.. "wow.. I remember that place from 20 years ago" and then I had ot figure out how to get on and get my info off of it |
| 08:12.05 | Tem | oh scratch that |
| 08:12.13 | Tem | a google for me finds my greasemonkey scrips |
| 08:12.19 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:12.19 | Tem | s/scrips/scripts/ |
| 08:12.21 | Violentnight | lol |
| 08:12.53 | id` | morning |
| 08:12.53 | Tem | but by the end of the page it's matching "matthew broaderic" |
| 08:13.01 | Violentnight | nice |
| 08:13.11 | Violentnight | you're almost famous |
| 08:13.26 | Fanook | i tried greasemonkey once, to fix the extra line in preformatted text thing, it made firefox crash a lot :( |
| 08:13.42 | Tem | Apparently there is famous pioano player that shares my name |
| 08:13.47 | Tem | Fanook, I wrote one that does just that |
| 08:13.50 | Tem | want it? |
| 08:14.05 | Tem | real simple actually |
| 08:14.05 | Fanook | i think i was using yours |
| 08:14.11 | Violentnight | lol |
| 08:14.22 | Violentnight | maybe you had an old version of Firefox? |
| 08:14.30 | Fanook | iirc, it was the one someone (prolly you) posted to the wow forums |
| 08:14.52 | Fanook | i had the most current release version at the time, maybe they've fixed it since then |
| 08:14.59 | Cairenn | oh wow, there is stuff of mine online, I forgot all about that site |
| 08:15.11 | Violentnight | who really says "if I recall correctly" in real life? |
| 08:15.27 | Fanook | i say "if i remember correctly" from time to time |
| 08:16.04 | id` | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=12&Set=0 |
| 08:16.05 | id` | haha |
| 08:16.05 | id` | :p |
| 08:16.10 | Violentnight | oh fine.. disprove my poiint! |
| 08:16.25 | id` | whoever posted the last link got me addicted to this next/previous navigation |
| 08:16.28 | id` | gha |
| 08:16.30 | Violentnight | lol id`.. that's an old one, iirc |
| 08:16.46 | id` | i keep doing "ok one more" "ok one more" "one more" "more" more" "MORE" |
| 08:17.18 | Fanook | prolly a variant of the "one more turn" addiction |
| 08:17.19 | Violentnight | lol |
| 08:18.12 | Violentnight | or like the other morning when I was messing with my WoW UI code.. and class was in half an hour.. and it's a 20 minute bike ride to school.. and I was like "okay, one more minute.. one more minute.. 5 minutes.. ah screw it, school isn't important" |
| 08:20.47 | Cairenn | lord, does that site ever bring back memories ... geez, I didn't think they would still be around even ... geeeeez |
| 08:20.49 | Violentnight | umm... meep? |
| 08:21.01 | Violentnight | yay! life! |
| 08:22.00 | Violentnight | I like how, at the end of a commercial, some voice will go "hablamos espanol"--but of course then the Spanish-speaking people don't know what the commercial was for, only that they speak Spanish |
| 08:22.06 | Violentnight | whoever 'they' is |
| 08:22.58 | id` | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=50&Set=0 |
| 08:23.00 | id` | way cool |
| 08:23.01 | id` | :D |
| 08:23.30 | Violentnight | friggin awesome fanart: http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=315&Set=0 |
| 08:25.11 | Violentnight | awesome colors: http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=271&Set=0 |
| 08:25.26 | Violentnight | I wish I could draw |
| 08:26.19 | Violentnight | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=259&Set=0 |
| 08:26.23 | Violentnight | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=260&Set=0 |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge krka|work (n=kristofe@66.217.181.62.in-addr.dgcsystems.net) |
| 08:27.10 | Violentnight | okay I'm done.. dangit.. I'm not getting anything done tonight |
| 08:27.39 | Cairenn | later Violentnight |
| 08:27.52 | Violentnight | you leaving.. ? or am I? |
| 08:28.04 | Cairenn | ah, thought you were from how you worded that |
| 08:28.05 | krka|work | very annoying that everyone goes to sleep when i wake up so i miss all interesting discussions |
| 08:28.40 | Violentnight | oh. hehe.. I meant I was done with cruising the fanart |
| 08:28.45 | Cairenn | AH |
| 08:28.51 | Cairenn | grrr, caps, sorry |
| 08:29.01 | krka|work | weird to say action hall for no reason |
| 08:29.04 | Violentnight | "You have a level 6 storm headed your way" -- "Is that a scale from 1 to 10" -- "No, that's a scale from 1 to 6" |
| 08:29.04 | krka|work | auction! |
| 08:29.14 | Cairenn | lol krka|work |
| 08:30.03 | Cairenn | yes, but this is me we are talking about here ... weird should be my middle name :p |
| 08:30.06 | Violentnight | aww I can't make a gmail account--what a witch! |
| 08:31.59 | Tem | if you would like, I can invite you |
| 08:32.13 | Violentnight | really? that'd be awesome |
| 08:32.22 | Tem | email to send invite? |
| 08:32.28 | Violentnight | micdrota@uat.edu |
| 08:32.44 | Tem | uat? |
| 08:33.00 | Violentnight | University of Advancing Technology |
| 08:33.05 | Tem | oh |
| 08:33.10 | Tem | I was going to guess alabama tech |
| 08:33.17 | Tem | which I don't think exists |
| 08:33.18 | Violentnight | lol |
| 08:33.29 | Violentnight | why Alabama? |
| 08:33.41 | Tem | starts with an "A" |
| 08:33.44 | Violentnight | lol |
| 08:33.44 | Tem | and first came to mind |
| 08:34.02 | Violentnight | but there's a U before it |
| 08:34.35 | Violentnight | University of Alabama Tech.. that'd be interesting |
| 08:34.52 | Tem | and as you can see, I've hit my sleeping point |
| 08:35.18 | Tem | problem is, I'm not tired |
| 08:35.30 | Tem | well the invite is out |
| 08:36.29 | Violentnight | got it.. thank ya |
| 08:36.40 | Violentnight | yay stars! |
| 08:37.17 | Violentnight | Gmail was voted #2 in PC World's Top 100 products of 2005, and yet it's still not open to the public |
| 08:37.46 | id` | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=152&Set=0 |
| 08:38.28 | Violentnight | schweet |
| 08:40.48 | pagefault | you want an invite? |
| 08:41.32 | Violentnight | Tem sent me one.. thanks though ^_^ |
| 08:41.38 | pagefault | ah ok |
| 08:41.47 | Violentnight | I'm checking it all out now... fricken sweet piece of webware |
| 08:41.55 | Tem | so I just looked through over 2k pictures |
| 08:42.01 | Tem | and not a one of them is good enough to show you guys |
| 08:42.35 | Tem | I found a few 'good' ones, but she wasn't in a position where you could see what she really looks like |
| 08:42.46 | Tem | there was one of her getting out of the dunking booth |
| 08:42.53 | Tem | and a few at the pool |
| 08:43.01 | id` | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=165&Set=0 |
| 08:43.04 | Tem | but none did justice |
| 08:43.20 | Cairenn | sounds like you still kinda like her |
| 08:43.23 | Violentnight | so just send us a moderately decent one and stress that she looks 10 times better in person |
| 08:44.01 | Violentnight | meh.. I don't like that one too much, id1 |
| 08:44.04 | Violentnight | id` |
| 08:44.09 | Tem | Cairenn, yeah kinda. We broke up because we went to different school and the long distance thing didn't work out. |
| 08:44.16 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 08:44.30 | Cairenn | that always sucks |
| 08:44.40 | Tem | yeah I'm not a fan |
| 08:45.14 | Tem | (cell phone bills got kinda expensive too ><_ |
| 08:45.15 | Tem | ) |
| 08:46.24 | Violentnight | I want a see a pic of this Jaina look-a-like! |
| 08:46.34 | Tem | I'm trying... |
| 08:46.47 | Tem | I've got a physical picture |
| 08:46.56 | Tem | but I've never used my scanner so I don't know if it even works |
| 08:48.12 | Tem | and I'm /not/ using the picture I found from senoir prom |
| 08:48.24 | Tem | s/oi/io/ |
| 08:48.36 | Tem | good lord that was ages ago |
| 08:48.58 | Violentnight | I don't think my school's email has an auto-forwarding function |
| 08:49.07 | Tem | hah! |
| 08:49.09 | Tem | mine does |
| 08:49.33 | Tem | matter of fact if you reply to the invite it will probably send an email to my school account |
| 08:50.33 | Violentnight | lol |
| 08:51.15 | krka|work | anyone know how much slower/faster it is to use a metatable lookup instead of copying the function reference? |
| 08:51.16 | Violentnight | we're some great and powerful technology college and we're using microsoft friggin outlook web access |
| 08:51.36 | Tem | krka|work, that depends on the implementation of your __index metamethod |
| 08:51.58 | id` | krka|work: #lua |
| 08:52.06 | Tem | purl, fish Violentnight |
| 08:52.08 | purl | ACTION slaps Violentnight around with a large trout |
| 08:52.10 | Iriel | Anecdotally, it can be quite a bit faster, but really, how often do you plan on calling them and all that. |
| 08:52.26 | krka|work | it? |
| 08:52.30 | krka|work | which it do you mean |
| 08:52.30 | Iriel | And how heavyweight are the functions themselves when executed |
| 08:52.40 | Violentnight | oh oh.. I found it.. I can make a 'rule' that forwards all messages to my student account on to my gmail account |
| 08:52.41 | krka|work | let me write down a quick example |
| 08:53.20 | Violentnight | mm fish |
| 08:53.56 | sarf|stuff | Violentnight> .forward you mean? |
| 08:53.58 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/535046 |
| 08:54.02 | krka|work | something like this i guess |
| 08:54.10 | sarf|stuff | Or doesn't your mail server allow for console access? |
| 08:54.28 | Violentnight | I don't know what .forward means.. hehe |
| 08:54.42 | Iriel | Well, for a simple return, the direct access will be quite a bit faster |
| 08:54.49 | Iriel | but i doubt that's representative |
| 08:55.04 | sarf|stuff | Violentnight> It's a file with the mail address you want all your mail to be forwarded into in it |
| 08:55.14 | krka|work | well of course the actual function content would consume most of the time in most cases |
| 08:55.17 | sarf|stuff | Violentnight> so, if you wanted to send all your mail to me, use sarf@cosmosui.org |
| 08:55.36 | krka|work | just wondering about the difference between these two |
| 08:55.44 | sarf|stuff | Violentnight> just put it in your user account directory. |
| 08:55.44 | krka|work | currently I am always using the first version |
| 08:55.46 | id` | http://wow.pastebin.com/534629 |
| 08:55.48 | id` | -_^ |
| 08:55.54 | id` | return a < b ?? |
| 08:56.07 | krka|work | yes? |
| 08:56.15 | id` | what does that do |
| 08:56.17 | id` | :p |
| 08:56.22 | id` | true/false? |
| 08:56.26 | krka|work | yes |
| 08:56.29 | id` | oic |
| 08:56.30 | id` | k |
| 08:56.50 | Violentnight | sarf|stuff: hrmm... sounds familar, but if I do have console access, I don't know about it |
| 08:57.13 | sarf|stuff | Violentnight> You only need to have access to your account |
| 08:57.34 | sarf|stuff | Or do you have Microsoft all the way in your Uni? |
| 08:57.46 | Violentnight | Uni? |
| 08:57.51 | sarf|stuff | University... |
| 08:58.09 | sarf|stuff | Ah |
| 08:58.10 | sarf|stuff | College |
| 08:58.18 | sarf|stuff | No clue what they are likely to use |
| 08:58.35 | Violentnight | no.. it's a university.. I think... Uni of Advancing Technology |
| 08:59.10 | sarf|stuff | Ah |
| 08:59.25 | sarf|stuff | Most unis run some sort of unix system as a "backbone" server-side |
| 08:59.41 | Violentnight | to get to email, I have to log into the intranet and then click a link that opens up MS Outlook Web Access in a window |
| 08:59.41 | sarf|stuff | If so, and if your mail server is not complete garbage, it should support the .forward file functionality |
| 09:00.19 | sarf|stuff | There |
| 09:00.22 | Violentnight | I don't have any interface for a file structure... unless there's a way to telnet into that somewhere--but I doubt it |
| 09:00.25 | Violentnight | lol thanks |
| 09:00.26 | sarf|stuff | Hmm |
| 09:00.49 | sarf|stuff | In that case, it does seem that they use Outlook. |
| 09:01.16 | sarf|stuff | (congratulations - now you don't have to even log in and get your mail to send spam, your mailserver will do that for ya! :) ) |
| 09:01.19 | Violentnight | yup... good old MS |
| 09:01.30 | sarf|stuff | annnnnny case. Use that rule-thingy |
| 09:01.36 | Violentnight | will do! |
| 09:01.47 | sarf|stuff | And pray hard. Sacrificing goats always helps. |
| 09:01.58 | sarf|stuff | (remember, use one of them ornery goats, the lambs are too cute) |
| 09:02.55 | sarf|stuff | Recommended entities include: Heisenberg, Cthulu, HalfJack and Bozo the Clown. |
| 09:02.57 | Violentnight | haha |
| 09:03.20 | Violentnight | don't forget about Iriel |
| 09:04.07 | sarf|stuff | Nah, not in matters connected with Microsoft. |
| 09:04.16 | sarf|stuff | Strictly a Lua prayer entity. |
| 09:05.18 | Iriel | Well, I do more than that, but you're right about microsoft |
| 09:05.24 | Violentnight | oooh they're people to pray too.. I thought you meant to sacrifice |
| 09:06.43 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 09:07.09 | Violentnight | night Cairenn |
| 09:07.21 | sarf|stuff | Night Cairenn! |
| 09:07.32 | Violentnight | I need to figger a way to take everything from my student email and move it to my gmail |
| 09:07.45 | sarf|stuff | Forward all your mails to your gmail account |
| 09:07.47 | sarf|stuff | then delete them |
| 09:07.51 | Tem | night Cairenn|sleep |
| 09:07.55 | Tem | night Iriel |
| 09:08.00 | sarf|stuff | (bruteforce method, but it will work) |
| 09:08.03 | sarf|stuff | Later Iriel :) |
| 09:09.10 | Violentnight | yeah.. forwarding each message one-by-one isn't something I really want to do |
| 09:10.55 | Tem | don't then |
| 09:11.07 | Tem | just don't have them in your gmail account |
| 09:12.09 | Violentnight | that's boring |
| 09:13.00 | Tem | lol |
| 09:13.18 | Tem | well I go the picture to scan reasonably well |
| 09:13.29 | Violentnight | yay my XBox Live subscription expires 2 days before my birthday.. what an awesome present from MS! |
| 09:13.34 | Violentnight | yay! |
| 09:15.55 | Tem | lol |
| 09:15.57 | Tem | http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/374/scan5ui.jpg |
| 09:17.17 | Violentnight | Jaina is so hotter =P |
| 09:17.21 | krka|work | what's so funny about that picture? |
| 09:17.47 | Tem | krka|work, nothing funny about it |
| 09:17.54 | Tem | it's my ex |
| 09:18.03 | krka|work | oh, the lol was for something else |
| 09:18.05 | Tem | and she looks like http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=322&Set=0 |
| 09:18.23 | Tem | Violentnight, "Jaina" is a cartoon |
| 09:18.38 | krka|work | yes, i see the resemblance |
| 09:18.43 | Tem | so I'm afaid my real person wins |
| 09:18.52 | Violentnight | lol.. cartoons are love objects too! .. or something |
| 09:19.01 | id` | lol |
| 09:19.05 | Violentnight | your ex is attractive.. I don't see much resemblance though |
| 09:19.16 | Tem | it's the face and hair |
| 09:19.36 | Tem | this picture isn't that good for showing it, but it's the best I can od |
| 09:19.41 | Tem | s/od/do/ |
| 09:19.42 | Violentnight | Jaina's face isn't as rounded.. her nose is longer and thinner |
| 09:20.06 | Violentnight | lips are fuller and not as wide |
| 09:20.30 | Tem | so to me, they just resemble each other |
| 09:20.40 | Violentnight | Jaina has much stronger cheekbones |
| 09:20.42 | Violentnight | lol |
| 09:20.57 | Violentnight | and a slightly bigger forehead |
| 09:21.04 | Tem | well Jaina also has a greasy foehead |
| 09:21.07 | Violentnight | the hair.. meh... a milion people have that hair :-) |
| 09:21.16 | Violentnight | yup that too! it's big and greasy |
| 09:21.27 | Tem | looks like she needs to wash her hair too |
| 09:21.33 | Tem | probably the source of the grease |
| 09:21.39 | Violentnight | but those boobs and tummy sure do make up for it... wowza |
| 09:22.33 | id` | rah! 3rd party cookies can SUCK my wang |
| 09:22.35 | Violentnight | oh.. question for ya... how'd you meet your ex? |
| 09:23.05 | Tem | school |
| 09:23.17 | Tem | we went to highschool together |
| 09:24.03 | Violentnight | ah.. cool.. my highschool romance was borderline psychotic |
| 09:24.05 | Violentnight | both of 'em |
| 09:24.28 | Tem | lol |
| 09:24.58 | AnduinLothar | only 2? what a waste of time |
| 09:26.48 | Violentnight | hey.. I didn't start dating til halfway through my junior year. And even then, I was dating them both for a couple weeks--I mean, I crammed in as much as I could |
| 09:36.00 | Violentnight | Firefox is my god.. I wish updating addons on WoW was so simple |
| 09:39.45 | Violentnight | Does anyone know of an addon that implements a good timer object? |
| 09:40.27 | krka|work | timex or chronos or maybe something in ace |
| 09:40.42 | Tem | Ace doesn't have anything |
| 09:40.53 | Tem | Timex is the Ace Timer |
| 09:41.12 | Tem | though it's not designed at all like you are suggesting |
| 09:42.04 | Violentnight | chronos looks nice |
| 09:42.17 | Violentnight | thank ya |
| 09:42.56 | Tem | You should look at timex too |
| 09:43.06 | Tem | it's a little more oop |
| 09:43.20 | Tem | but still procedural jammed into a table |
| 09:45.13 | Violentnight | will do |
| 09:46.30 | sarf|stuff | Timer object? |
| 09:46.38 | sarf|stuff | you mean like a cooldown thingy? |
| 09:46.39 | Tem | It's been a long time since I've looked under Chronos's hood, but I don't remember it being a good example |
| 09:47.01 | sarf|stuff | Meh, I just write my abstraction functions and then I use the addons that are available. |
| 09:47.13 | krka|work | i don't really care if something is OOP or not, just provide me with a clean and easy to use interface and i don't care how it's done in the backend |
| 09:47.22 | krka|work | as long as it's efficient |
| 09:47.43 | Tem | the Timex an Chronos interfaces are almost identical |
| 09:47.53 | Tem | their backends are extremely different |
| 09:48.06 | krka|work | really? |
| 09:48.13 | krka|work | how much different can you make timers :P |
| 09:48.17 | Tem | last I looked Chronos's code was ~1.5k lines |
| 09:48.23 | Tem | Timex is like 400 |
| 09:48.37 | sarf|stuff | Hmm... how much GC does Timex do? Does it have support for named functions? |
| 09:48.50 | Violentnight | reading teh description for Timex, it sounds way more efficient |
| 09:48.59 | Violentnight | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1733 |
| 09:48.59 | Tem | I think Timex does everything Chronos does |
| 09:49.01 | sarf|stuff | Because last time I checked, Chronos was a bit bigger due to Thott recoding it to prevent GC |
| 09:49.15 | Violentnight | what's GC? |
| 09:49.23 | Tem | garbage collection |
| 09:49.36 | Violentnight | ah |
| 09:49.38 | krka|work | hmm... which file contains timex in ace? |
| 09:49.44 | Tem | Timex isn't a build in |
| 09:49.47 | Violentnight | Timex has a "Chronos Placeholder" to replace all the chornos stuff with Timex equivalents |
| 09:49.47 | krka|work | oh |
| 09:49.53 | Tem | it's an addon to itself |
| 09:50.10 | sarf|stuff | including pop/debug stuff? |
| 09:50.15 | Tem | I dunno |
| 09:50.18 | sarf|stuff | But anyhow |
| 09:50.36 | Tem | I've never had any problems with it not replacing Chronos properly |
| 09:50.42 | sarf|stuff | Use what makes you happy :) |
| 09:50.56 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, all my addons that use Chronos should be OK with TimeX |
| 09:50.59 | Tem | but I have probably only used 1 or 2 since getting timex |
| 09:51.23 | Tem | and no longer use those |
| 09:51.25 | Tem | so I really don't know |
| 09:51.48 | krka|work | hmm.. more people should use luadoc for this kinda stuff |
| 09:51.56 | Tem | luadoc? |
| 09:52.03 | sarf|stuff | Sure, just get luadoc to work with lua 5 |
| 09:52.07 | krka|work | javadoc... but for lua :P |
| 09:52.15 | krka|work | ah, it doesn't? |
| 09:52.23 | Tem | what's it do? |
| 09:52.25 | sarf|stuff | (or mebby it was another thingy that didn't work? anyhow) |
| 09:52.44 | sarf|stuff | last time I use a lua-documenter it was "gragh! Swallow your soul, heathen! Get me Lua 4!" |
| 09:52.55 | sarf|stuff | creates documentation from source code and comments |
| 09:53.09 | Tem | interesting |
| 09:53.13 | krka|work | javadocs are pretty damn sweet so i imagine that luadoc would be the same |
| 09:55.22 | sarf|stuff | (properly formatted comments, that is) |
| 09:55.32 | sarf|stuff | But very easy to type and read even in their "source" form |
| 09:56.04 | sarf|stuff | like function Spex(qwe, asd) |
| 09:56.08 | sarf|stuff | before it you go |
| 09:56.16 | sarf|stuff | --[[ |
| 09:56.32 | sarf|stuff | This is a function to calculate Uber coefficient between two values |
| 09:56.55 | krka|work | sarf, you need to work on your variable names :/ |
| 09:57.14 | sarf|stuff | @param qwe the first value, same as the L33T value used by Iriel in post "How to Spam Class Forums" |
| 09:57.45 | sarf|stuff | @param asd the second value, same as the one krka proposed in his "How to Write Incomprehensible AddOns, part 3 - Code Obfuscation" |
| 09:57.51 | Violentnight | what? I use qwe and asd all the time! |
| 09:58.31 | sarf|stuff | @return the Uber-coefficient, nil if uncalcuable (asd ~= 42) otherwise between 2 and 15.12 |
| 09:58.33 | sarf|stuff | ]] |
| 09:59.00 | Tem | simple enough |
| 09:59.12 | sarf|stuff | There are also other thingies in javadoc, like @see <function/URL> |
| 09:59.16 | sarf|stuff | and @version |
| 09:59.18 | sarf|stuff | and @author |
| 09:59.23 | sarf|stuff | and so on but those are mostly fluff |
| 09:59.33 | Tem | aye, but still |
| 09:59.42 | Tem | I'll have to play with that at some point |
| 10:00.11 | krka|work | param and return are the most important ones |
| 10:00.32 | krka|work | as well as a general description of what the function does, and maybe some example |
| 10:01.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Stylpe (n=Stylpe@44.80-202-103.nextgentel.com) |
| 10:01.28 | Violentnight | This dude that wrote Timex does some really pretty code |
| 10:01.38 | Stylpe | WEEEE! I have internet! |
| 10:01.41 | Tem | rowne is like that |
| 10:01.59 | krka|work | well, i found a few annoyances with it |
| 10:02.01 | krka|work | as i always do :/ |
| 10:02.02 | Tem | I don't personally like his coding style, but it's damn clean |
| 10:02.19 | Violentnight | what don't you like about it? |
| 10:02.49 | Tem | superficial stuff mostly |
| 10:02.51 | Violentnight | Woot.. Edward Scissorhands is on FX |
| 10:02.56 | Stylpe | Noone missed me? =( |
| 10:03.09 | Tem | gah that Stylpe guy is back |
| 10:03.18 | Tem | man it was so nice for a while |
| 10:03.19 | Stylpe | ;-P |
| 10:03.24 | Violentnight | Hey Stylpe.. didn't notice you left |
| 10:03.38 | krka|work | damn it, now we have to secretely change channels again |
| 10:03.56 | Stylpe | I've been away for like a month |
| 10:04.00 | Violentnight | What is Ace? I keep seeing Timex refer to it |
| 10:04.18 | Tem | www.wowace.com |
| 10:04.26 | krka|work | ace is like the greatest thing since sliced bread according the all the neat-freaks :) |
| 10:04.39 | Tem | hah |
| 10:05.32 | Violentnight | I really need to start learning how to re-use code rather than constantly building everything from scratch and not getting anywhere |
| 10:05.51 | Depherios | anybody know what order Dispel removes buffs in? |
| 10:05.55 | krka|work | yeah, i know that and that a lot of people here seems connected to ace |
| 10:06.04 | Tem | quite a few |
| 10:06.07 | Violentnight | I'm not.. woot! |
| 10:06.11 | Violentnight | I mean--boo |
| 10:06.15 | Tem | since the ace channel is on this server |
| 10:06.24 | Tem | it's quite convenient to idle here |
| 10:06.51 | sarf|stuff | I idle on two servers simultaneously - double the idle power! :) |
| 10:06.52 | Depherios | I take it that's a no? :P |
| 10:06.53 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:07.14 | Tem | I personally like ace for a number of reasons. 1 being that I like the coding style that goes along with writing ace addons |
| 10:07.18 | sarf|stuff | Sorry, no, Depherios :/ |
| 10:07.29 | Tem | yeah me either Depherios, sorry. |
| 10:07.51 | Tem | another is that it does a lot of work for me that I always hated setting up. |
| 10:08.20 | Tem | Depherios, good luck with that |
| 10:08.31 | Depherios | lol yeah, have to go test it I guess |
| 10:08.35 | Depherios | I asked on the forums |
| 10:08.45 | Tem | Depherios, most smart priests keep hitting dispell until they stop seeing "X fades from Y" messages |
| 10:08.54 | Tem | so you are pretty much hosed with that theory |
| 10:08.54 | Depherios | but I know how that works "8 million newbs complain about something bumping my post down" |
| 10:09.03 | Depherios | true XD |
| 10:09.23 | Depherios | but recently I've had a few only hit me with one, I wasn't paying attention though |
| 10:09.31 | Tem | ah |
| 10:09.35 | Depherios | ... Tem: most priests aren't smart enough to dispel me anyway, it's more a curiosity thing |
| 10:09.42 | Violentnight | I like Ace because the "About" pages says alot of things that I don't understand |
| 10:09.53 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:10.02 | Depherios | that's how I feel too Violentnight XD |
| 10:10.02 | Tem | I've never been able to pin down the order, but not for lack of trying. |
| 10:10.17 | Depherios | ahh... so it is perhaps random? |
| 10:11.11 | Tem | perhaps |
| 10:11.18 | Violentnight | it's based on the derivative of the square root of the hypotenus |
| 10:11.19 | Depherios | I figure it is |
| 10:11.28 | Depherios | but if it's not, yay |
| 10:11.34 | Tem | I was also trying to figure it out for the garr fight |
| 10:11.46 | Tem | I was hoping it would just clear the most recent buff |
| 10:12.02 | Tem | so I could keep hitting myself with rank 1 dampen magic |
| 10:12.10 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:12.12 | Tem | and it would dispell that instead of PWF |
| 10:12.16 | Violentnight | Is an Ace Addon an addon for Ace or one that uses Ace? |
| 10:12.18 | Tem | but alas, I was wrong |
| 10:12.26 | Tem | Violentnight, one that uses ace |
| 10:12.46 | Violentnight | thank ya, sir |
| 10:12.50 | Violentnight | or madam |
| 10:12.54 | Violentnight | whichever you prefer |
| 10:13.25 | Tem | XD |
| 10:13.59 | Violentnight | lol |
| 10:14.05 | Depherios | heh |
| 10:14.17 | Depherios | I call all males sir and all females madam when I say certain things |
| 10:14.21 | Depherios | guys make funny comments sometimes |
| 10:14.24 | Violentnight | well.. how 'young' are you? |
| 10:14.31 | Depherios | but every once in awhile, girls get REALLY PEEVED |
| 10:14.33 | Tem | Tem isn't sure why his last statement was an action |
| 10:14.36 | Violentnight | me too, Deph ^_^ |
| 10:15.18 | Tem | Tem used to refer to himself in the third person because it annoyed rowne |
| 10:15.20 | Depherios | because Tem isn't an I, a he, or a she... not a sir, nor madam... it is TEM |
| 10:15.34 | Depherios | CRASHER OF WOW |
| 10:15.50 | Tem | [Tem, Crasher of Worlds] |
| 10:15.55 | Depherios | ... yes |
| 10:16.15 | Tem | I only wish my guild would get that joke |
| 10:16.26 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:16.33 | Violentnight | lol |
| 10:17.08 | Violentnight | more importantly.. I'm watching Edward Scissorhands |
| 10:17.21 | Tem | they keep asking for [Lok'amir il Romathis, Buttplug of Nefarian] |
| 10:17.35 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:17.47 | Violentnight | .. I understand Buttplug |
| 10:17.49 | Tem | which is really quite hillarious if you try it on |
| 10:17.53 | Violentnight | and 'of' |
| 10:17.55 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 10:18.13 | Tem | oh good someone uploaded a picture to alla |
| 10:18.13 | Tem | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19360 |
| 10:18.17 | Depherios | http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=51948 |
| 10:18.27 | Depherios | ahh alla has piccie... |
| 10:19.32 | Violentnight | that's one big buttplug |
| 10:19.42 | Depherios | pretty small compared to nef |
| 10:19.44 | Violentnight | .. I have a friend that might enjoy that |
| 10:19.53 | Tem | I linked that mid golemagg fight |
| 10:19.58 | Depherios | also have to remember |
| 10:20.01 | Tem | we almost wiped |
| 10:20.05 | Depherios | ... that's a TAUREN with it XD so it's bigger there |
| 10:20.07 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:20.30 | Violentnight | that's what I'm sayin.. it's almost the size of the tauren |
| 10:20.45 | Depherios | yeah, but equip a big weapon no a tauren, and it's even bigger lol |
| 10:20.47 | Violentnight | well.. the height of one, at least |
| 10:20.55 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 10:20.57 | Depherios | -no +on |
| 10:21.02 | Tem | It was the first time my server had seen the faked items so people kept sending me tells making suggestions |
| 10:21.07 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:21.18 | Depherios | that was one of them? |
| 10:21.28 | Tem | a pally friend of mind sent me the normal item link |
| 10:21.39 | Tem | and as soon as I tried it on.... |
| 10:21.57 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:22.04 | Tem | so while I was bandaging... I linked that version mid golemagg fight |
| 10:22.12 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:22.16 | Tem | I wish I had been frapsing it |
| 10:22.24 | Tem | because the vent chatter was priceless |
| 10:22.30 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:22.52 | Depherios | how good a connection do you have to have to host TS or Vent worth a crap? |
| 10:23.07 | Tem | we have a dedicated Vent server |
| 10:23.18 | Tem | pay like 4 bucks a month for it |
| 10:23.29 | Tem | works great |
| 10:24.05 | Depherios | ahh |
| 10:24.44 | Depherios | I've hosted TS for five mans just off a spare comp on my cable connection (both my other comps have the TS server on them) |
| 10:25.08 | Depherios | but never had more than 6 people on |
| 10:25.12 | Tem | but fraps can capture your sound so it records the voice chat in addition to the game sounds |
| 10:25.19 | Depherios | yeah |
| 10:25.28 | Tem | we regularly have 40-60 people on the server |
| 10:25.28 | Depherios | take it you have a good comp then XD |
| 10:25.41 | Depherios | I can't have fraps do sound in a raid :P |
| 10:25.48 | Tem | I've never tried |
| 10:25.53 | Depherios | ahh |
| 10:26.00 | Tem | I don't think I ever will |
| 10:26.07 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:26.11 | Violentnight | .. if I only had a brain! dodododododododo |
| 10:26.14 | Tem | last week during the Domo fight I got 1 fps |
| 10:26.18 | Depherios | I don't record myself, I hate watching myself |
| 10:26.20 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.23 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:26.28 | Depherios | god how bad do you get in AV? XD |
| 10:26.44 | Tem | don't know |
| 10:26.47 | Tem | can't get in to find out |
| 10:26.52 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:27.01 | Tem | 5 hour queues are for the birds |
| 10:27.02 | Depherios | because of your server? or your comp? |
| 10:27.04 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:27.18 | Depherios | the 50-59 bracket can't get into anything but VE on Spinebreaker |
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| 10:27.29 | Depherios | err AV, not Vampiric Embrace |
| 10:27.50 | Tem | The sad part is that AV is my favorite |
| 10:27.56 | Depherios | ouch :P |
| 10:28.05 | Violentnight | how is Timex only 80 lines of code? |
| 10:28.11 | Depherios | there's always an AV game going on my server |
| 10:28.14 | Depherios | during the day usually two |
| 10:28.16 | Tem | it's very well coded? |
| 10:28.23 | Tem | god is it really that short? |
| 10:29.29 | Tem | holy cow |
| 10:29.32 | Violentnight | well.. assuming I have the right source--once you strip away the superfulous stuff (chat commands, support, ace intialization) ... yes |
| 10:29.35 | Tem | I didn't remember it being this short |
| 10:29.48 | Tem | wow |
| 10:29.51 | Tem | just... wow |
| 10:30.19 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.29 | Violentnight | maybe he's optimized it further since you last looked |
| 10:30.34 | Violentnight | lol |
| 10:31.04 | Violentnight | I don't understand where TimexClass:new() and RegisterForLoad() are defined at |
| 10:31.08 | krka|work | i'd prefer it if timex didn't allow functions with parameters |
| 10:31.15 | Depherios | XML likely |
| 10:31.34 | Tem | Violentnight, they are defined in AceAddon |
| 10:31.36 | Tem | well |
| 10:31.44 | Tem | the new method is defined in AceCore |
| 10:31.47 | Depherios | oho |
| 10:31.48 | krka|work | there is just one timer though? |
| 10:32.00 | Violentnight | there is no XML, Deph ^_^ |
| 10:32.02 | Tem | RegisterForLoad is defined in AceAddon |
| 10:32.09 | Depherios | oh yeah, ace :P |
| 10:32.15 | Tem | krka|work, yeah it's just one |
| 10:32.37 | Tem | from a design standpoint I like Violentnight's solution better |
| 10:32.44 | krka|work | don't see why timex needs to pass args to functions |
| 10:33.05 | Tem | because Chronos does |
| 10:33.19 | Tem | Timex was designed to replace Chronos |
| 10:33.24 | krka|work | then it should only do that for the chronos support |
| 10:33.44 | krka|work | those unpack / ... are unnecessary |
| 10:33.47 | Tem | I think it would be extra effort to do that |
| 10:33.54 | Tem | but I do see what you mean those |
| 10:33.56 | Tem | though* |
| 10:34.08 | Tem | I'm seeing a few unpacks and table creations that could get nasty |
| 10:34.20 | Tem | though unpack by itself isn't bad |
| 10:34.27 | Tem | it's actually quite fast |
| 10:34.35 | Tem | it's the ... part that gets bad |
| 10:34.47 | Violentnight | my solution? You must have not read the thread very well... that was all Iriel |
| 10:34.53 | Tem | lol |
| 10:36.55 | Violentnight | Does Rowne come by here? |
| 10:38.28 | Tem | no, he's stopped coding |
| 10:38.40 | Depherios | for wow? or period? XD |
| 10:38.44 | Tem | for wow |
| 10:38.59 | Violentnight | bummer |
| 10:39.02 | Tem | though he visits wowace from time to time |
| 10:39.43 | Depherios | is you having to dismount before taking a FP there for a reason? or just the blizz devs being lazy? |
| 10:40.34 | Tem | Shenanigans |
| 10:40.39 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:40.44 | Tem | Rowne's last post was mid-January |
| 10:41.31 | Depherios | sadly, that makes me feel more inclined to look into ace |
| 10:42.10 | Depherios | the pompus better than thou attitude of the Ace people may be the reason I'm not using it right now... |
| 10:42.42 | Depherios | Tem gives the right reasons "it makes it easier" not "everything else sucks" |
| 10:42.49 | Violentnight | heh.. I felt a glimmer of that when reading their "About Ace" article, Depherios |
| 10:43.39 | Violentnight | I think I'm off to bed.. 'night folks |
| 10:43.42 | Depherios | Yeah... that attitude just drove me away... that "if it isn't ace it's utter garbage" aura they gave off just made me go "um... no" -- but it IS seeing more use, and I REALLY should look into it... |
| 10:43.44 | Depherios | G'night |
| 10:44.04 | Depherios | and it has a lot more support from people like Tem |
| 10:44.05 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:44.15 | Violentnight | lol indead.. I gotta check it out too... adios |
| 10:44.16 | krka|work | i'd use ace if it provided anything i needed |
| 10:44.48 | Depherios | krka, I'm actually saying I avoid addons with an ace dependancy... not just me not using it in my own work XD |
| 10:44.56 | Tem | Depherios, I really have to know who you got that impression from |
| 10:45.10 | krka|work | yeah, same thing as i am saying |
| 10:45.17 | Depherios | don't recall the name... but really, like Violent said, it's likely whoever wrote that about page XD |
| 10:45.30 | krka|work | and before I decide to use anything, i look through the code and see if it's good enough for my standards |
| 10:45.38 | Tem | http://wowace.com/?page=about ? |
| 10:45.44 | Tem | I don't see anything wrong with that page |
| 10:46.02 | Tem | it makes a claim that is kind of... |
| 10:46.25 | Tem | not necissarily true |
| 10:46.28 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:46.39 | Tem | "his means that addons built with Ace are more efficient and can very likely free up memory and reduce game lag compared to an addon not using Ace." |
| 10:46.52 | Tem | s/"his/"This/ |
| 10:47.02 | Depherios | I wonder if that's been re-written, of if it's just that since I haven't been hearing trash talk from Ace supporters lately it doesn't sound as bad |
| 10:47.23 | krka|work | yeah, i never quite understood that part |
| 10:47.24 | Tem | an ace addon can be just as bad as any other |
| 10:47.59 | Depherios | Tem, I personally see ace as "an easier way to write an addon" and that's about it... |
| 10:48.32 | Tem | In it's simplest form that's more or less right |
| 10:48.52 | Depherios | I don't care about efficiency, if I upped my video card, I'd be able to have everything on |
| 10:49.02 | Depherios | the only thing I dislike my addons doing, is adding to load time |
| 10:49.07 | Depherios | don't care about memory or framerate |
| 10:50.30 | krka|work | you'd care if it was extremely bad though :) |
| 10:50.35 | Tem | But I really want to know where people got this impression that the "ace people" are all about trashing other people's work only beause it doesn't use ace |
| 10:50.55 | Depherios | Tem: mostly, I don't belive it was ace PEOPLE, it was Ace SUPPORTERS" |
| 10:50.56 | krka|work | "omg nice addon... can you ace it so i can use it?" |
| 10:50.57 | Tem | I've only heard of once such incident and it was Rowne running hiw mouth |
| 10:51.02 | Depherios | the people who used Ace |
| 10:51.06 | Depherios | not the devs |
| 10:51.20 | Depherios | but I wouldn't know a dev from a user |
| 10:51.28 | Depherios | and that was awhile back too |
| 10:51.31 | Tem | well officially there are only 2 devs |
| 10:51.35 | Tem | and one is retired |
| 10:51.48 | krka|work | http://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=559&highlight=aceify |
| 10:51.51 | Tem | Turan, the original ace author (now retired) |
| 10:52.02 | Tem | and Kaelten |
| 10:52.31 | Tem | please note the post count |
| 10:52.37 | Tem | 1 |
| 10:52.56 | krka|work | just an example of what i mean |
| 10:53.05 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:53.26 | Depherios | I take it benecast is utter trash? -- never looked into it, I like to make my own decisions XD |
| 10:53.58 | Stylpe | Yay, new version of KeepItCool up! |
| 10:54.27 | Tem | does it support the new elemental fire transmute? |
| 10:54.43 | Stylpe | Yes, and the new Elune's Lamp, which has a 24h cd |
| 10:55.01 | Stylpe | That release was LONG overdue =P |
| 10:55.10 | Tem | what tradeskill is elune's lamp? |
| 10:55.37 | Stylpe | None, it's some quest item that came with that moon event thingy |
| 10:55.57 | Stylpe | But you get to keep it, and it can make these stones that create pillars of moonlight I think |
| 10:56.12 | Tem | oh must have |
| 10:56.16 | Stylpe | I know! |
| 10:56.27 | Stylpe | But, like I said, 24h cd |
| 10:56.35 | Depherios | have to quest |
| 10:56.39 | Stylpe | It's a quest.. |
| 10:56.47 | Tem | not buy with the coins? |
| 10:56.50 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.01 | Depherios | yeah ... gotta beat washisname |
| 10:57.02 | Stylpe | Gotta kill that 63+ thing called Omen, no? |
| 10:57.05 | Depherios | Omen |
| 10:57.07 | Tem | oh |
| 10:57.11 | Tem | he's not hard right? |
| 10:57.16 | Depherios | not at all |
| 10:57.17 | Tem | think 6 people could do it? |
| 10:57.23 | Depherios | lol no |
| 10:57.27 | Depherios | it's a raid boss after all |
| 10:57.32 | Tem | bleh |
| 10:57.44 | Depherios | but I did in in a 30 man PUG most under 60 |
| 10:57.49 | Stylpe | I'm having one! No matter what! |
| 10:58.01 | Tem | I want it |
| 10:58.06 | Tem | I have some of the stones already |
| 10:58.11 | Depherios | it uses solid stones as regents though |
| 10:58.16 | Stylpe | Deph: Was I right about what the item does? |
| 10:58.20 | Depherios | yeah |
| 10:58.22 | Tem | big deal |
| 10:58.47 | Depherios | makes http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=52703 |
| 10:58.55 | Stylpe | Weeeeeee! I'm so happy that I have my net connection back! |
| 10:59.05 | Depherios | http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=52689 |
| 10:59.39 | Depherios | heh good/bad side effect, recenlty solid stones went up in price XD |
| 11:00.07 | Depherios | not much on my server though |
| 11:00.28 | Depherios | always nice though, when sitting in an instance drinking, to be surrounded by a pillar of light |
| 11:00.51 | Depherios | or, as my friend, a tauren druid, said while standing in it... "HOLY COW" |
| 11:00.52 | Tem | easy farm |
| 11:01.06 | Tem | lol |
| 11:01.29 | Stylpe | LOL |
| 11:01.29 | Tem | we used it tonight to mark the tank position for geddon and shazz fights |
| 11:01.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:03.42 | Tem | my guild is geometrically challenged |
| 11:03.52 | Tem | forming a circle is nearly impossible |
| 11:04.00 | Depherios | rofl |
| 11:04.03 | Tem | so a clear center helps a bit |
| 11:04.57 | Depherios | well, if I get lost in ST one more time... I'm just giving up and sticking to mara |
| 11:07.22 | Tem | haha |
| 11:07.55 | Depherios | The priest wandering around going "Where did you guys go?" -- is usually bad |
| 11:14.19 | Wobster | I did that tonight |
| 11:14.22 | Wobster | Got lost in ST that is =P |
| 11:14.30 | Wobster | Died horribly to a wandering patrol |
| 11:14.35 | Depherios | lol, glad to know I'm not the only one |
| 11:14.41 | Depherios | ooh, I've yet to die doing it |
| 11:14.50 | Wobster | Resolved from then on in for that run to be summoned each time I lost sight of them =P |
| 11:14.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:15.20 | Depherios | I just tell the party to always leave somebody who knows their way around with me XD |
| 11:15.27 | Depherios | .... but they don't always listen D: |
| 11:15.39 | Depherios | oh man I love my new macro |
| 11:17.01 | Wobster | I have to say though ST is not an easy place for a 48 priest =P |
| 11:17.12 | Wobster | I had a squishy party with a single rogue =P |
| 11:17.15 | Depherios | eh, depends on the group |
| 11:17.27 | Depherios | worst instance run I've ever had was ST |
| 11:17.29 | Depherios | when I was 50 |
| 11:17.30 | Wobster | One of the mages loved to tank with his face |
| 11:17.33 | Depherios | yeah |
| 11:17.38 | Depherios | I had that problem |
| 11:17.46 | Depherios | but the "tank" was a shaman with poor gear, and even worse skill |
| 11:18.09 | Wobster | I'd be like healing the VW tank and the mage would suddenly drop a couple of thousand hp suddenly from AoEing too early =( |
| 11:18.19 | Depherios | so the rogue and mage were passing aggro back and forth (on purpose, doing a pretty good job actually) |
| 11:18.31 | Wobster | It was like, I can't even drop a shield on you fast enough =P |
| 11:18.38 | Depherios | yeah |
| 11:18.44 | Depherios | the mage's equipment was gone by the end of the run |
| 11:18.54 | Depherios | and the shaman's almost was |
| 11:19.48 | Depherios | ... couldn't beat the boss (of course) -- we came pretty close having the 'lock's VW tank |
| 11:19.52 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:19.58 | Wobster | We got through to the Prophet |
| 11:20.11 | Wobster | But decided to call it a day at that point =P |
| 11:20.14 | Depherios | but then he randomly turned on the lock and killed him... no more VW... next up was me *sigh* |
| 11:20.33 | Wobster | I was quite impressed at our 'lock's VW |
| 11:20.40 | Depherios | lol, they're good tanks |
| 11:20.46 | Wobster | It was managing aggro far better than when the party had two warriors =P |
| 11:20.49 | Depherios | just can't hold aggro for a whole party if they don't watch it |
| 11:21.31 | Depherios | I've run WC with VWs and hunter pets as tanks XD but never tried a later instance, lol |
| 11:22.31 | Depherios | and those were with friends, and we all knew what we were doing (we were still newbs, but all very avid gamers) |
| 11:47.00 | Codayus | Hmm, wonder what the hardest instance is I've seen a hunter pet tank... |
| 11:48.07 | Codayus | I've seen them offtank the Observer in DM North tribute runs, but that's fairly easy since holding aggro isn't really an issue... |
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| 11:48.58 | Codayus | Hmm, saw a 60 rogue and hunter duo the first half of maraudon with the pet tanking, but 60 is obviously overleveled for the place, so that doesn't really count either. :-P |
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| 11:55.04 | Elkano^wtf | btw: wrt hunters... is it true that 'captured' elite mobs are stronger then normel pets would be? |
| 11:55.12 | Codayus | No. |
| 11:55.58 | Codayus | Some mobs do have different stats when tamed. These days I believe the only stat which still differs between pets is attack speed. |
| 11:57.03 | Codayus | But that doesn't correlate to elite status; it just depends what the designer felt like putting in when the populated the zone. |
| 11:58.44 | Elkano^wtf | will they have the same DPS when they hav a higher att speed? |
| 11:58.49 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 11:59.27 | Codayus | The benefit of a very fast attack speed comes from: A) Interupting casters B) Proccing frenzy more often (and hence earlier) and so being able to keep it up a higher % of the time. |
| 12:01.24 | Codayus | The benefit of a very slow attack speed is almost nonexistent, but: Cats get a bonus to their first strike when the come out of stealth. To maximise the damage of this strike, you might want a very slow attack speed cat. This sort of works with NE, Shadowmeld, Aimed Shot, and perhaps a Devilsaur Tooth. |
| 12:02.44 | Codayus | You can get a fairly impressive alpha strike off if you time it right. The extra damage from a 2s cat isn't particularly noticable though. Most people would probably go for the 1s cat for better spell interuption. |
| 12:02.45 | Depherios | Shadowmelded NEs, make will of the forsaken seem like it isn't cheap at all |
| 12:02.57 | sarf|stuff | Uhm |
| 12:03.05 | Codayus | Naa, I don't think it's really unbalancing. |
| 12:03.08 | sarf|stuff | How does faster attack speed cause interruption? %based stun? |
| 12:03.15 | Depherios | ... you play cloth Codayus? |
| 12:03.21 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 12:03.42 | Codayus | sarf|stuff: Hmmm, well, s/interuption/delay/, I suppose. <shrug> |
| 12:03.52 | sarf|stuff | Ah |
| 12:03.59 | Depherios | ever do AB? -- ever been about to cap flag to be two shotted? -- ever have this happen regularly? -- often? -- does it reach the point where you've given up solo capping anything? *sigh* |
| 12:04.05 | Codayus | Depherios: Of course, I play on the ALLIANCE. :D |
| 12:04.22 | Depherios | yeah... |
| 12:04.34 | Codayus | On the flip side, of course, I play a priest. Please note the cooldown on psychic scream. :-P |
| 12:04.45 | Depherios | ditto Codayus |
| 12:05.18 | Codayus | WotF will wtfpwn me quite nicely, thanks. :-) |
| 12:06.00 | Codayus | I also play a HUMAN priest, so frankly, I'm a wee bit bitter at the whole racial thing anyhow. :-) |
| 12:06.12 | Depherios | having a stealthed rogue at a flag isn't so bad, you can run around a little bit before and maybe catch 'em and when they do get you you can fear em long enough to at least have a hope, even with WotF/trinket/stancedance/whatever... |
| 12:06.20 | Depherios | lol, I play troll |
| 12:06.25 | Depherios | I had you beat until just recently |
| 12:06.40 | Depherios | now my new favorite macro is my dual zerk/mount button |
| 12:06.45 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 12:06.51 | id` | Depherios: have a NE warrior at the flag, maim the flagcarrier and hes toast |
| 12:07.00 | Codayus | Interesting, didn't realize that worked. |
| 12:07.01 | Depherios | ... I'm talking AB |
| 12:07.04 | Codayus | The poor mans bubble hearth, eh? |
| 12:07.06 | id` | o :x |
| 12:07.11 | Depherios | heck yes |
| 12:07.20 | Depherios | it works on hearthstone too |
| 12:07.28 | Depherios | PW:S + Defiler's talisman |
| 12:07.35 | Depherios | +Zerk + hearth |
| 12:07.38 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:07.41 | Depherios | I've done it |
| 12:07.58 | Codayus | I've been playing a lot of WSG 20-29 with a NE warrior. I do that very thing! And...we lose! I've never even seen an alliance flag captured! Because the alliance types who play 20-29 WSG suck! |
| 12:08.02 | Depherios | (note theirs a fear before that) |
| 12:08.11 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:08.18 | Depherios | most of the alliance on our server suck too |
| 12:08.20 | Codayus | But that's okay! Because I'm not bitter! Nothing wrong with mages who don't know how to frost nova! |
| 12:08.42 | Depherios | but the NE hunters stay at a flag solo... shadowmelded just waiting for you to try to cap |
| 12:08.43 | id` | im a lv 16 warrior (ne) and im almost rank 3 |
| 12:08.43 | id` | gg |
| 12:08.50 | Depherios | ... and you're not about to run all over to find them... |
| 12:09.31 | Depherios | so... shadowform, shield, talisman, renew zerk and start capping and hope the zerk makes it go fast enough |
| 12:09.59 | Depherios | (as you can tell, I use zerk a lot, also, as you can tell, I rarely use it to attack) |
| 12:10.14 | id` | whats it do >_> |
| 12:10.14 | krka|work | what does berserk do now? |
| 12:10.17 | Codayus | In my last game, there were 6 alliance vs 9 horde. 7 shamans, 1 warrior, 1 rogue. On the one hand, seeing an entire pack of ghost wolves racing around WSG is kind of cool. |
| 12:10.20 | id` | <newb> |
| 12:10.25 | Depherios | 10-30% faster cast time |
| 12:10.37 | Codayus | On the other hand...dude, we got pwned. :-/ |
| 12:10.38 | Depherios | depending on how much damage you've taken |
| 12:10.43 | Depherios | at teh cost of a tiny bit of mana |
| 12:10.51 | Depherios | works on ANY casting bar |
| 12:11.02 | Depherios | mount, hearth, MC, flag caps, mining... whatever |
| 12:11.04 | krka|work | ah |
| 12:11.12 | Codayus | Whats the cooldown? |
| 12:11.20 | Depherios | 3 min |
| 12:11.31 | Codayus | Not too bad. |
| 12:11.34 | Depherios | lasts 10 seconds |
| 12:11.44 | Depherios | raises attack speed as well, of course |
| 12:11.56 | Depherios | ... which my lowbie rogue likes |
| 12:12.33 | Depherios | but yeah... <3 zerk XD |
| 12:12.44 | Depherios | it's always funny seing people's reactions when I zerk/mount or flagcap using it |
| 12:14.34 | id` | for trolls right? |
| 12:14.41 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 12:14.48 | id` | you can mount in battlegrounds? |
| 12:14.52 | id` | thats kinda uncool :( |
| 12:15.29 | Codayus | ? |
| 12:15.47 | Codayus | Why? |
| 12:16.00 | id` | you cant attack or do anything mounted right? |
| 12:16.20 | Codayus | By and large, yes. |
| 12:16.25 | id` | what if you are on your mount chasing the mounted flag carrier of the enemy |
| 12:16.28 | id` | how lame |
| 12:16.46 | id` | unmount and he runs away, keep mounted and do nothing |
| 12:16.55 | id` | ... |
| 12:17.04 | Codayus | You can't mount with the flag. |
| 12:17.13 | id` | oh phew |
| 12:17.14 | id` | :D |
| 12:17.29 | Depherios | druids can still travel form though XD |
| 12:17.34 | Codayus | So can shamans. |
| 12:17.40 | Depherios | druids in PvP gear can still travel form faster than a mount though >_< |
| 12:17.58 | id` | "hey look a ghost holding a matierialized object" |
| 12:18.01 | id` | >_> |
| 12:18.08 | krka|work | and hunters can cheetah |
| 12:18.19 | id` | thats ok because its a humanoid form |
| 12:18.22 | Depherios | yup, mages can blink, rogues can sprint.... |
| 12:18.22 | Codayus | As alliance, you'll get a very good look at shamans with flags, vanishing into the distance. |
| 12:18.29 | Depherios | .... and I can use swiftness pots lol |
| 12:18.29 | Codayus | Usually about three times per match, in my experience. |
| 12:18.34 | Wobster | hunters though can be stunned |
| 12:18.42 | Depherios | lol on my server it's all druids doing flag caps |
| 12:18.55 | Depherios | stealthing in, and nabbing and going cat to sprint out, then travel to run the rest |
| 12:19.00 | Wobster | druid cat sprint is just ... fast =P |
| 12:19.00 | krka|work | everyone can be stunned :P |
| 12:19.04 | Depherios | ... on our side at least... |
| 12:19.07 | Depherios | on their |
| 12:19.10 | Depherios | side... |
| 12:19.24 | Wobster | Well, yes, but a hunter with Aspect of the Cheetah merely has to be hit in any way to be stunned |
| 12:19.27 | Depherios | ... warlocks and pallies seem to be the primary offense... |
| 12:19.51 | Depherios | ........ which confuses me... as they don't exactly go fast.. |
| 12:20.12 | id` | they deal damage andore are hard to kill? |
| 12:21.01 | id` | and can stun/immobilize? |
| 12:21.01 | id` | :X |
| 12:21.01 | Wobster | The warlocks and pallies don't go fast? |
| 12:21.01 | Wobster | Curse of Exhaustion FTW |
| 12:21.01 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:21.13 | Depherios | I tend to play defense XD |
| 12:21.19 | id` | me2 |
| 12:21.33 | Depherios | shadowpriest on def = pwnage |
| 12:22.01 | id` | usually im just my ne warrior and invisible at the flag, maim them and then they die.. |
| 12:22.02 | Depherios | here, let me fear you... oh you used trinket? too bad mind flay slows you down until blackout procs... I'm sorry were you going somewhere? |
| 12:22.27 | Wobster | blackout only procs on first cast, no? |
| 12:22.50 | Depherios | yeah, but SW:P + 2-4 mind flays = blackout has a 50% chance to proc |
| 12:23.03 | Depherios | (assuming the full five) |
| 12:23.13 | Codayus | On the first tick. You have to renew mind flay, as it's channeled with a short duration. |
| 12:23.14 | Wobster | all from different people I assume |
| 12:23.17 | Wobster | or at least two |
| 12:23.34 | Wobster | so you mindflay to proc blackout? |
| 12:23.38 | Depherios | blackout is 10%, only procs on the initial hit |
| 12:23.41 | Wobster | I use rank 1 SW:Pain =P |
| 12:23.52 | Depherios | heh, yeah but then they get away |
| 12:24.01 | Depherios | and sprint/travel form/whatever |
| 12:24.17 | Depherios | if they get out of the room I spam SW:P |
| 12:24.40 | Depherios | but I'd rather just keep them moving half speed for as long as possible |
| 12:24.52 | Depherios | (which isn't long, with my damage) |
| 12:25.18 | Wobster | I need to practice my PVP priest tactics |
| 12:25.22 | Depherios | even if they get away... SW:P usually kills them before they can get anywhere |
| 12:25.27 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:25.45 | Wobster | Are you usually shadowformed? |
| 12:28.01 | Depherios | of course XD |
| 12:29.00 | Depherios | with shadowform and +dam and talents and everything... SW:P has been doing nearly (and now over) 2k damage if Shadow Weaving procs 3-4 times |
| 12:29.55 | Depherios | (at levels 48-52) |
| 12:31.00 | Depherios | even at level 51 I was pwning on D in WSG, not so much in AB in any way though... hence my frustration at shadowmelded hunters :P |
| 12:31.41 | id` | Anyone know of an app that makes images of keyboard layouts? |
| 12:31.50 | Depherios | ...photoshop? |
| 12:31.56 | Depherios | *whistles* |
| 12:31.57 | id` | i suck at that |
| 12:32.18 | id` | http://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1035 |
| 12:32.21 | id` | :X |
| 12:33.08 | Depherios | heh just get a nostromo |
| 12:33.37 | Depherios | assuming you only have a left hand |
| 12:33.55 | id` | eh, no |
| 12:33.57 | id` | not me |
| 12:33.58 | id` | :D |
| 12:34.05 | Depherios | oh I know XD |
| 12:34.12 | Depherios | I'm just saying... <3 nostromo |
| 12:34.18 | id` | nostromo what? |
| 12:34.22 | Depherios | http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=2071&pcount=&Product_Id=157024 |
| 12:34.43 | id` | http://images.belkin.com/F8GFPC100/FUL1_F8GFPC100.jpg |
| 12:34.46 | Depherios | 15 buttons for fingers, with Dpad for movement... no more deciding if you want to move/turn/click |
| 12:34.49 | id` | nonono way too few buttons |
| 12:34.55 | Depherios | shifts XD |
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| 12:35.02 | Depherios | pinky shift, and I have two other shifts on my mouse |
| 12:35.07 | Depherios | and two of those shifts |
| 12:35.16 | Depherios | have a button that leads to yet ANOTHER shift |
| 12:35.25 | id` | im my post you see im already using more buttons |
| 12:35.36 | Depherios | heh, I prefer shift states to lots of buttons |
| 12:35.39 | id` | i could compress it more but then there wouldnt be a system in it.. |
| 12:35.58 | Depherios | okay, what about www.ergodex.com |
| 12:36.11 | id` | f=spellbook, S-f=skillbook |
| 12:36.48 | id` | Depherios: assuming you have a correct arm position while gaming |
| 12:36.56 | id` | a normal keyboard will do |
| 12:37.06 | Depherios | that's no fun XD |
| 12:37.08 | id` | actually i have a laptop keyboard so its more compace :p |
| 12:37.20 | id` | i see no use of that ergodex.. |
| 12:37.25 | krka|work | why would you need quick access to the spellbook? |
| 12:37.57 | Depherios | I don't use the DX1 to play wow anymore, since nostromo allows movement while using actions so easy |
| 12:38.40 | id` | krka|work: i need quick access to any panel? |
| 12:38.43 | Depherios | and the only other person I've ever met who apparently has a DX1 is Iriel of all people (whom doesn't use it for wow, dunno what he uses) |
| 12:39.02 | krka|work | i would think you only need quick access for in combat stuff |
| 12:39.18 | id` | because i have like 12345 s-12345 C-12345 A-12345 and A-S-12345 on my screen as buttons |
| 12:39.23 | id` | \my layout of actions changes.. |
| 12:39.45 | id` | (all the buttons are in one grid) |
| 12:40.42 | Depherios | I've got the 15 nostromo buttons in a grid, and the buttons just change as I press different shift keys |
| 12:41.05 | Depherios | bah, I really need to upload a pic of my interface |
| 12:41.46 | krka|work | so far I am doing fine with about 12 action buttons |
| 12:41.51 | krka|work | gonna need more soon though I think |
| 12:41.55 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:41.58 | Depherios | play a 'lock |
| 12:42.01 | Depherios | then see what you think |
| 12:42.15 | Depherios | my priest only has 45 |
| 12:42.25 | krka|work | i try to put as many spells on the same button as possible, but it's damn difficult |
| 12:42.26 | id` | group actions |
| 12:42.31 | id` | :p |
| 12:42.39 | krka|work | all buffs on the same button atleast |
| 12:43.04 | krka|work | fireblast and fireball on the same.... cold snap on the same as frost attacks, et.c. |
| 12:43.07 | Depherios | have to watch the cooldown on mind blast, VE, Silence, and other abilities... my buffs are all cast using Auto Buff except on other people, and that's 3 seperate buttons |
| 12:43.24 | Depherios | you obviously don't PvP much |
| 12:43.28 | krka|work | why do you need seperate buttons for that? |
| 12:43.31 | krka|work | nope i dont :) |
| 12:43.53 | Depherios | lol, well, Prayer of Fort needs a button |
| 12:43.56 | krka|work | how did you know? |
| 12:44.01 | Depherios | PW:F needs a button |
| 12:44.14 | Depherios | and shadow protection needs a button |
| 12:44.21 | Depherios | PvP is more situational than PvE |
| 12:44.23 | krka|work | cant you put that on autobuff? |
| 12:44.25 | Wobster | Needylist =) |
| 12:44.27 | Depherios | in pve you do the same things over and over |
| 12:44.38 | Depherios | autobuff is the addon... autobuffs me, not anybody else |
| 12:44.42 | krka|work | well, I ALWAYS use fireblast if i can |
| 12:44.48 | krka|work | instant and all |
| 12:44.50 | Wobster | prayer of fort is just a rightclick on the power word fort button |
| 12:45.00 | Wobster | I <3 prayer of fort |
| 12:45.02 | Depherios | I don't ever click my buttons D: |
| 12:45.08 | Depherios | or I would have dual function ones |
| 12:45.16 | Depherios | since I have a lot of duplicates for different ranks |
| 12:45.17 | krka|work | i have arcane intellect for myself, targets, party and mage armor and mana shield and evocation on the same button |
| 12:45.19 | krka|work | works great :) |
| 12:45.21 | Wobster | It has such a meaty *CHUNG* noise |
| 12:45.38 | krka|work | i dont click either, i use the keybindings for the button |
| 12:45.49 | Depherios | yeah... keybindings only give you one function :P |
| 12:45.54 | krka|work | nice to have a visible button that tells you if it's ready or not though |
| 12:46.07 | Depherios | mhmm hence the set of 15 that changes when I hold down the shift buttons |
| 12:46.09 | krka|work | not necessarily Depherios! |
| 12:46.28 | Depherios | well... um... techincally my keybindings have 7 functions |
| 12:46.36 | Depherios | since I have all the shift states |
| 12:47.02 | Depherios | I'm thinking of making my pinky shift state just be lower ranks of other abilities :P |
| 12:47.05 | krka|work | my keybindings are only limited by my imagination |
| 12:47.40 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:47.41 | krka|work | i always use highest rank of everything |
| 12:47.47 | krka|work | guess i am a noob :/ |
| 12:47.51 | Depherios | heh |
| 12:47.53 | Depherios | mind flay |
| 12:47.58 | Depherios | is nice to hit a running mob with |
| 12:48.24 | Depherios | ... and if I'm healing in a mana management situation... rank one works just as well to stop them from running |
| 12:48.28 | krka|work | well, I suppose i could add a level 1 frostbolt just for the debuff |
| 12:48.43 | Depherios | ... and rank 1 SW:P is nice to spam for Shadow Weaving and blackout procs |
| 12:49.16 | krka|work | add(2, "Frostbolt", 1, function() return not krka.hasbuff("target", "Frostbolt") and krka.isSpellCastable("Frostbolt") end)) |
| 12:49.17 | krka|work | ftw! |
| 12:49.22 | Depherios | and rank 1 fear is 80 less mana and gives me more control over the later ranks (i.e. I only want to fear 2/3 mobs, or hope I fear the two I want) lol |
| 12:49.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:49.45 | krka|work | fear is aoe? |
| 12:49.50 | Depherios | yeah |
| 12:50.10 | krka|work | i should play priest too... seems like it could be fun |
| 12:50.13 | Elkano | the priest's, yes... the WL's isn't |
| 12:50.30 | Depherios | sometimes I'm OOM and hoping to god that fear comes up so I can fear the one guy attacking me... I shouldn't have to wait on that extra 80 mana XD |
| 12:51.02 | krka|work | higher levels is just more time? |
| 12:51.06 | Depherios | although I was surprised to see the new Dispels cost the same |
| 12:51.09 | Depherios | more mana |
| 12:51.21 | krka|work | well yeah of course |
| 12:51.22 | Depherios | I'm talkig about waiting for my mana to regen to use it so I can bandage |
| 12:51.31 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:51.49 | Depherios | Shadowpriests are weird |
| 12:51.55 | Depherios | everybody thinks they're squishy, but they aren't |
| 12:52.04 | Depherios | and I keep telling people, and nobody listens |
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| 12:52.37 | Depherios | I beat leather wearers in damage reduction, although my dodge rate sucks in comparison to rogues or feral druids... |
| 12:52.53 | krka|work | dodge sucks against warriors :/ |
| 12:53.20 | Wob | as what class, Deph? |
| 12:53.31 | Depherios | Shadowpriest |
| 12:53.38 | Wob | ah the 15% reduction? |
| 12:53.45 | Depherios | yeah, on top of Inner Fire |
| 12:54.04 | Wob | I'm wondering about a soulinked master demonologist 'lock with a VW |
| 12:54.19 | Depherios | ooh yeah, I hate those |
| 12:54.20 | Wob | That gets silly amounts of damage reduction |
| 12:54.36 | Wob | And if they use the sac/res method, they'll have Fel stamina on top of that |
| 12:54.54 | Depherios | if you want to live forever, feral druid bear form gets insane damage reduction and a stamina bonus on top |
| 12:55.21 | Depherios | all the feral druids I know solo same/higher level elites... TO GRIND |
| 12:56.06 | Depherios | and solo Sunken Temple *sigh* |
| 12:56.37 | Depherios | well... farm the early bosses |
| 12:57.38 | Depherios | my guild currently has no high level warriors... 2 feral druids for tanks lol, we're a tiny guild though... |
| 12:58.07 | Depherios | (personally I prefer a feral druid to a warrior as a tank, take damage more evenly, and have more stamina, making timing greater heals less of a worry) ^_^ |
| 12:59.03 | Wob | I don't really like my bear form |
| 12:59.15 | Wob | granted, my druid is only level 20something |
| 12:59.21 | Depherios | heh, trust me, it gets better |
| 12:59.24 | Wob | I don't do enough damage in it = |
| 12:59.25 | Wob | ( |
| 12:59.59 | Depherios | when you start to crit more, you'll see... it's still pretty poor DPS compared to cat form or a DPS class, but you LIVE... FOREVER... then you get frenzied regen and you just won't die D: |
| 13:00.13 | Depherios | well D: if I'm against you, or :D if you're tanking |
| 13:00.28 | Wob | What's the trigger for FR? |
| 13:00.34 | Depherios | rage |
| 13:00.43 | Depherios | ... I forget the cooldown |
| 13:00.50 | Depherios | the trigger is you pushing a button |
| 13:04.10 | Depherios | my druid is like... level 36... and I haven't played er in FOREVAR |
| 13:04.28 | Depherios | i.e. since before the new tree |
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| 13:06.37 | Depherios | crap I need to go to bed |
| 13:06.42 | Depherios | stupid insomnia |
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| 13:12.51 | Depherios | whoop |
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| 13:38.53 | Elkano | does anyone have some information wrt "<HitRectInsets></HitRectInsets>"? |
| 13:40.37 | Depherios | goo leetster |
| 13:40.46 | Depherios | giving me a good place to upload screens that's not comcast |
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| 13:57.04 | Elkano | hmmm... imageshack.us ? |
| 13:57.19 | Elkano | @ Depherios ... |
| 13:58.29 | Depherios | heh, that would work too |
| 13:58.37 | Depherios | but I don't have an account there |
| 13:58.51 | Elkano | you don'T need one, doe you? |
| 13:58.58 | Elkano | s/doe/do/ |
| 13:59.45 | Elkano | s/T/t/ |
| 14:00.02 | Elkano | s/doe/do/ s/T/t |
| 14:00.27 | Elkano | s/doe/do/T/t/ |
| 14:00.44 | Elkano | hmmm... well I'll stop that :) |
| 14:01.39 | Beladona | yeah, after a while purl just says "correct it your damn self" |
| 14:02.23 | Beladona | so I installed IE7 |
| 14:02.31 | Beladona | now to uninstall it.... |
| 14:02.38 | Depherios | lol |
| 14:02.53 | Depherios | dunno how imageshack works, this is the first time in YEARS i haven't had a domain |
| 14:02.56 | Beladona | I love their RSS implementation. On taht front they have FF beat |
| 14:02.56 | Depherios | http://www.leetster.com/depherios |
| 14:03.07 | Beladona | but their interface blows chunks |
| 14:04.30 | krka|work | un... install? |
| 14:04.39 | krka|work | what an odd concept |
| 14:04.46 | krka|work | imagine a bowl of soup and crackers... |
| 14:05.07 | Depherios | lol |
| 14:05.20 | Beladona | haha |
| 14:05.33 | Beladona | I still don't think that is a good analogy |
| 14:05.40 | Beladona | I cajn use another analogy to debunk it |
| 14:09.04 | Depherios | I have a good reason to like leetster though, since I'm on spinebreaker lol |
| 14:09.13 | Depherios | which is the only server actively using it |
| 14:18.13 | Beladona | bbs, gotta reboot after ie7 removal |
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| 14:37.22 | Elkano | well, I hope they'll fix the memory leeks in FF with one of the next versions :/ |
| 14:40.31 | Corrodias | how can druids' travel form go faster than your mount, i wonder.. |
| 14:52.10 | Ktron|zzz | sprint potion? |
| 14:58.09 | Beladona | Elkano, they supposedly fixed some memory leaks with 1.5.0.1 |
| 14:59.05 | Beladona | came out yesterday |
| 14:59.31 | Ktron|zzz | yeah, I'm probably going to update to 1.5.0.1 right now |
| 15:02.24 | Ktron|zzz | that, and I'm going to look into finding more gtk skins for windows or perhaps figuring out how hard it would be to make my own |
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| 15:38.46 | Beladona | should be easy to make a gtk skin |
| 15:39.07 | Beladona | if they stay true to the real GTK they are just images |
| 15:39.57 | Beladona | what I have my eye on right now is programs that use vector images for their icons |
| 15:40.28 | Beladona | that was to Ktron|zzz |
| 15:41.21 | Ktron|zzz | heh... I think gtk can use .svg's |
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| 15:59.12 | id` | Ktron: stop thinking |
| 15:59.15 | id` | :p |
| 15:59.27 | id` | it's explorer so, HAH |
| 16:01.25 | Ktron | If I could replace windows explorer with gtk and [ kde or gnome or wmaker or fluxbox or enlightenment ] I would |
| 16:05.44 | Ktron | I wonder how much slower WoW wound run inside of vmware... heh, maybe I'll get daring later, but I'm out for now |
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| 16:43.31 | Ktron | can different things trigger on a 'keyhold'? |
| 16:44.09 | Ktron | ie, if I wanted a 3s delay between spells, could I press and hold a key for at least 3s and have both go off automatically |
| 16:44.11 | Ktron | ? |
| 16:49.05 | krka | you can do one thing on key down and another on key up |
| 16:49.29 | Ktron | but nothign 'mid' keyhold |
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| 16:49.48 | Ktron | aight, thanks krka |
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| 17:03.19 | Natasem | time to update your AV files. there is a new PWS out there that i think is dedicated to WoW |
| 17:03.24 | Natasem | called PWS-Goldun.dll |
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| 17:05.12 | Natasem | Virus Type Trojan |
| 17:05.14 | Natasem | Virus Name Troj/Haxdoor-AS |
| 17:05.15 | Natasem | Aliases: PWS-Goldun.dll |
| 17:05.17 | Natasem | Troj/Haxdoor-AS is a Trojan for the Windows platform. The Trojan steals usernames and passwords from World Of Warcraft and sends stolen data to a remote attacker. |
| 17:05.48 | krka | yay, i just got my hands on a free duron 900mhz |
| 17:05.51 | krka | what should i do with it? |
| 17:06.10 | Natasem | paper weight |
| 17:07.13 | krka | i was thinking something along that line of using it to code while playing wow |
| 17:09.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@75.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 17:09.41 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:09.46 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 17:23.59 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 17:29.58 | krka | no good ideas then? :/ |
| 17:30.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge elema (n=ele_ma@p548AE317.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:31.49 | Shouryuu | porque? |
| 17:32.31 | elema | where are the blizzardish variables like %s in the join BG static poup explined? or how can I reuse them |
| 17:32.47 | elema | %s is also used in other contexsts |
| 17:32.52 | elema | contexts |
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| 17:39.25 | elema | in the join bg static popup there is the text "you can join now %s Batlleground" (some like this) and my question is, how I can define these variables, coz they can have different values ( as I see it) |
| 17:45.10 | elema | no one whow knows it |
| 17:45.13 | elema | ? |
| 17:45.53 | MentalPower | that's a string.format formatting string |
| 17:45.57 | MentalPower | redundancy FTW! |
| 17:46.41 | elema | ay so I'm not a super programmer, who the hell can I do it or where does blizz doe this, so I can see, how it works |
| 17:46.55 | elema | (many hows ) ;) |
| 17:48.57 | MentalPower | string.format("%s is %d year(s) old", "WoW", 1) -> "WoW is 1 year(s) old" |
| 17:49.20 | weab | Insert = "variable" print(string.format("This is my %s",Insert)) |
| 17:50.10 | weab | would print "This is my variable" |
| 17:51.24 | elema | where do I define it ? with my locals or in on load ore where? |
| 17:51.31 | weab | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#5.3 |
| 17:52.15 | weab | define what? |
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| 17:53.16 | elema | think I understood |
| 18:07.58 | krka | anyone want to take a look at some very simple code? |
| 18:08.03 | krka | (that's not working) |
| 18:08.45 | Ktron | sure |
| 18:08.45 | Ktron | I should be able to figure it out |
| 18:08.59 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/535621 |
| 18:09.07 | krka | should be pretty self explanatory |
| 18:09.49 | Ktron | so how is it not working? |
| 18:09.54 | pagefault | that was awesome |
| 18:09.57 | pagefault | I connect |
| 18:10.00 | pagefault | and I am ganked |
| 18:11.09 | krka | i am guessing OnEnter and OnLeave never trigger |
| 18:12.05 | krka | hmm... error on xml load |
| 18:12.40 | Tain | You forgot to close the flux capacitor. |
| 18:12.54 | krka | fixed the syntactic xml errors... maybe that will help |
| 18:13.12 | krka | yay! this kinda works |
| 18:13.15 | Ktron | Bleh, not simple enough for me... I only know some general xml stuff, none of the wow xml stuff really, and a bit more lua |
| 18:13.35 | Ktron | trying to go for the autohide start-menu-esque effect? |
| 18:15.51 | krka | yeah |
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| 18:18.16 | krka | ooh... forgot that i cant add files after wow has started |
| 18:19.05 | krka | weird. MainBar:s OnLeave doesn't always trigger it seems |
| 18:19.13 | Iriel | onleave can be tricky |
| 18:19.26 | Iriel | for overlapping windows with mouse enabled |
| 18:19.36 | krka | Tip: Being polite in a group can get you invited again! |
| 18:19.42 | krka | good tip blizzard |
| 18:19.57 | krka | yes, that sounds like something that could be happening |
| 18:19.58 | Iriel | I'm sure there are people for whom that is 'news' |
| 18:19.58 | Ktron | Tip: There is no cow level. |
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| 18:20.50 | Beladona | Tip: washing yourself daily can get you more friends |
| 18:20.53 | krka | any easy fix for that Iriel? |
| 18:20.59 | krka | or a difficult one |
| 18:21.00 | Beladona | hrh |
| 18:21.17 | krka | should i register onleave for all frames inside MainBar? |
| 18:21.20 | Tain | I think we need to get a pool together and buy slouken a, "Best game developer ever." gift. |
| 18:21.27 | Iriel | krka: it depends on what you're trying to do, I came up with a working of funky 'fix' for StatRings |
| 18:21.35 | krka | I want to hide MainBar when i leave it |
| 18:21.37 | Iriel | specifically the slider preview code |
| 18:21.51 | Iriel | Basically when you OnEnter, you activate a lightweight OnUpdate handler |
| 18:21.56 | Iriel | which checks if your cursor is still overit |
| 18:22.03 | krka | hmm... yeah, that would work |
| 18:22.11 | Iriel | It's not too bad, perf wise |
| 18:22.27 | krka | thanks, that's a good idea |
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| 18:23.29 | MentalPower | oooh, a cornellian :) |
| 18:23.37 | MentalPower | my sister studied there |
| 18:25.17 | krka | yay! works perfectly now |
| 18:25.19 | krka | thanks iriel |
| 18:25.59 | Iriel | Excellent |
| 18:26.13 | Iriel | I trust you turn off the OnUpdate when it's not needed 8-) |
| 18:29.25 | krka | well, not really |
| 18:29.47 | krka | I use MainBars OnUpdate |
| 18:30.07 | Iriel | That's probably good enough if you'er hiding MainBars |
| 18:30.12 | Iriel | you're even |
| 18:31.12 | krka | yeah |
| 18:31.29 | krka | no more inefficient blizzard action button onupdates |
| 18:33.10 | Iriel | Well, they're not that bad anymore, though there are a lot of them |
| 18:37.20 | krka | only 12 by default |
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| 18:45.25 | Cairenn | You got your "cool kids" request, Iriel |
| 18:46.23 | Iriel | Excellent! |
| 18:46.41 | Iriel | And more! |
| 18:46.53 | Cairenn | heh, sorry, but figured you'd know what I meant, with that reference, and I just couldn't resist using it |
| 18:47.10 | Iriel | I had to think for a moment to remember 8-) |
| 18:47.19 | Cairenn | he really does spoil you guys, you know :p |
| 18:48.05 | Tain | Above and beyond. |
| 18:50.25 | Iriel | His involvement and community vision makes wow so much cooler, too |
| 18:50.33 | Cairenn | yup |
| 18:51.05 | Tain | For some of us, well maybe just me for all I know, its one of the reasons I haven't cancelled. |
| 18:51.21 | Iriel | Oh, cancelling, most cancel CoV |
| 19:31.41 | Codayus | Hmm. |
| 19:34.18 | Cairenn | .mmH |
| 19:34.22 | Codayus | I couldn't say for sure I'd have cancelled if it wasn't for Slouken, but it's possible. Without UI mods - or even with sharply reduced functionality (which is probably what we'd have without Slouken) - I'd probably be gone by now. |
| 19:36.03 | Codayus | Hell, just knowing there's ONE helpful blue poster around makes the game more enjoyable. |
| 19:36.27 | Codayus | ? |
| 19:36.35 | Cairenn | There's more than one |
| 19:36.38 | Codayus | Heh |
| 19:37.14 | Codayus | Perhaps. I don't hang out on the Bliz forums much outside of the UI forum. My limited experience outside it hasn't been too great. <shrug> |
| 19:37.25 | Cairenn | Just because people don't like their responses, or feel that they should be "doing more" or whatever the heck their complaint is about the other CMs, doesn't mean they aren't doing their jobs and doing them to the best of their abilities |
| 19:37.47 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 19:37.50 | Cairenn | Makes me crazy when folks rag on the CMs |
| 19:37.58 | Codayus | I should clarify - I don't blame them. |
| 19:38.09 | Codayus | They aren't doing it because ZOMG teh hate teh userz!11! |
| 19:38.14 | Tain | There can be only one! |
| 19:39.46 | Codayus | But the system they work in does not, to me, seem particularly good. It's probably about as good as could be hoped for given the number of players, but it does limit the responsiveness of the CMs. |
| 19:40.24 | Cairenn | the second sentence in that statement I will agree with, to a degree. |
| 19:41.47 | Iriel | if the user's weren't so rude/stupid/filled-with-a-false-sense-of-entitlement, it wouldn't be as bad |
| 19:42.03 | Cairenn | and that statement I will *completely* agree with |
| 19:42.29 | Tain | People could make an absolutely perfect game. |
| 19:42.36 | Tain | If you didn't have users ruining it. :) |
| 19:42.42 | sarf|stuff | Most of my encounters with ingame GMs have been good, even if there has a been a bit of the "canned response let's get rid of him" at the start of the communication. |
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| 19:43.07 | Iriel | Likewise, they've always done their job well |
| 19:43.11 | Iriel | for me |
| 19:43.53 | Cairenn | If the CMs didn't have to spend so much of their time dealing with the bullshit that gets spewed on a constant basis, they'd have more time, energy, and hell, even desire, to do more of what they want to do, which is to actually help the users and improve the gmae |
| 19:43.57 | Cairenn | game* |
| 19:44.28 | Cairenn | but when they have to spend 3/4 of their time dealing with bullshit, it makes it difficult for them to get any real work done |
| 19:45.00 | Cairenn | and the fact that people attack them, personally, is just so completely out of line |
| 19:45.42 | Cairenn | you'd never get away with treating a company's employees that way, face to face, I don't understand why people think they can do it since it's on a message board |
| 19:46.28 | Cairenn | and I know, *you* guys don't |
| 19:47.25 | Cairenn | this isn't really directed at you guys, it's just venting in general |
| 19:47.25 | Tain | If I do it's something I would do in person as well. Which isn't necessarily a good thing, but I do at least try to stay consistent. |
| 19:47.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.53 | Shadowd | The worst that would happen is the lose the ability to post on the forums though, which isn't going to kill them or effect them a whole lot. The fact that it's mostly anonymous helps. |
| 19:48.30 | Cairenn | I'd say it "hurts", but yeah |
| 19:48.37 | Tain | Actually that's one of the good things they have done is make your game login tied to your message board account. |
| 19:48.41 | Cairenn | I know what you mean |
| 19:49.54 | Shadowd | Yeah, but do you get suspended from the game if you're suspended from the forums? That doesn't stop the level 1 trolls either though. |
| 19:50.16 | Cairenn | unfortunately, no |
| 19:50.34 | Tain | It at least gives that bit more accountability than there normally is. |
| 19:51.03 | Tain | If someone really gets out of line and gets their game account banned they can't go posting about it. |
| 19:51.16 | Shadowd | Thats true, better then letting random people sign up 50 accounts and just using proxies to get around it |
| 19:51.18 | Tain | If they want to they have to buy another account. |
| 19:51.37 | Cairenn | It's the same sort of thing as what I was subjected to when pictures of me finally came out ... how many people would have ever dreamt of talking to me that way irl ... |
| 19:51.50 | Tain | Well... |
| 19:52.16 | Cairenn | (the personal attacks on CMs & GMs, I mean) |
| 19:52.57 | Tain | Yeah I was just biting my tongue about what I may have said in real life. ;) |
| 19:52.57 | sarf|stuff | I think that you should be able to do /ignoreaccount <charname> ingame as well |
| 19:53.23 | Codayus | Despite its many problems, one of the few things AO got quite right was its vustomer service and communication. But, the flip side of that is, total AO player base was probably a little larger than my severs in WoW... |
| 19:54.18 | Shadowd | Would be nice to have the ability to ignore an account on the forums too, but I guess that may end up causing issues since you could track all of the characters they post on. |
| 19:54.32 | sarf|stuff | The amount of easy access and coupled with what seems to be anonymity causes a lot of issues, not just in games / forums but over the whole 'net |
| 19:54.37 | Tain | Of course the fact that AO's player base was small was partially because of their failures at the beginning. |
| 19:54.48 | Codayus | And they were a much less pvp focused game, and had a lot less of the bnet/kiddie gamer crowd. Tactics that worked for AO just aren't going to work with WoW... |
| 19:55.08 | Shadowd | The fact that we have no solid way to ban people on the internet doesn't help it either. |
| 19:55.26 | Tain | That's heading down a dangerous slope. |
| 19:56.02 | Tain | The fact that the Internet is so decentralized is one of its strongest benefits. |
| 19:57.01 | Codayus | I think a lot of aner about CMs comes from the way the class forums are andled. People expect that each forum will have a dedicated CM - where in practice each CM looks over a couple of class forums as one of their low priority duties. |
| 19:57.33 | Codayus | Not saying one way or the other is "right", but the disconnect between expectations and reality seems to have caused the majority of personal attacks on CMs I've seen. |
| 19:57.36 | Cairenn | but again, if they didn't have to deal with all the bullshit, they'd have more time to devote to the class forums |
| 19:57.45 | Codayus | Yup. |
| 19:58.24 | Cairenn | and yes, I call bullshit bullshit |
| 19:58.46 | sharkhat | a priest a paladin and Varimathras walk into a bar..; |
| 19:58.51 | sharkhat | what the hell kind of hint is that? |
| 19:59.13 | Codayus | AO handled it by having the player base for each class vote on and elect player representitives, who were the ones who met with devs and discussed player concerns. Worked well, but I shudder to think what hell, say, the hunter forum would elect in WoW. |
| 19:59.25 | Iriel | sharkhat : I've wondered that myself |
| 19:59.31 | Shadowd | A very good one! |
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| 20:00.33 | Tain | See I think that's a positive idea in general, but not always in practice. |
| 20:00.49 | Tain | The percentage of people who play the game that actually participate in the forums is tiny. |
| 20:01.18 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 20:01.46 | Codayus | Yeah... |
| 20:02.18 | Tain | That's why I always feel that forums are a good thing, but aren't necessarily fully representative of the full playerbase. Sometimes just representative of who talks the most. |
| 20:02.32 | Codayus | And *not* a representative sample either. |
| 20:03.07 | Codayus | Oops, lag. |
| 20:05.09 | sarf|stuff | sharkhat> It's a tip that you should visit all bars to get Varimathras to appear and give you a quest... duh :) |
| 20:05.38 | sharkhat | but you have to be a priest or a pali, and have the other class with you? |
| 20:06.02 | Cairenn | who or what is Varimathras, anyway? |
| 20:06.10 | Cairenn | (not up on WoW lore) |
| 20:06.30 | Tain | I think he's the WoW god of beer peanuts. |
| 20:06.37 | sharkhat | mmm |
| 20:06.50 | sharkhat | oo thursday after work drunkin time... in 3 hours.. woot |
| 20:07.18 | Tain | oo Thursday during work drunkin time |
| 20:07.19 | sharkhat | my guildies say varimathras is "doomguard in UC near banshee queen. |
| 20:07.34 | Codayus | hmmm, some demon/pit/dread lord thing...I think. |
| 20:07.52 | Codayus | ah, yeah, that rings a bell. |
| 20:08.01 | Cairenn | okay ... |
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| 20:12.25 | Codayus | I think varimathras was a high-ish ranking officer in the burning legion. Tried to take out sylvanas, failed, and switched sides. There are hints that his loalty to the forsaken may be less than complete... |
| 20:12.32 | Codayus | Thats totally from memory. <shrug> Probably wrong. :-) |
| 20:12.40 | Cairenn | okay |
| 20:15.09 | ToastTheif | sylvanas is not part of the buring legion tho |
| 20:15.26 | ToastTheif | she was when the lich king had her under control |
| 20:15.26 | pagefault | slyvanas too sexy to be |
| 20:15.48 | ToastTheif | but she and some others broke the spell some how, it's in TFT |
| 20:15.56 | Tain | Varimathras must be important, he has his own wowwiki page |
| 20:16.09 | ToastTheif | so now she runs with the Undead, seeing as how the night elves won't accept her back |
| 20:16.15 | id` | hai toasty |
| 20:16.21 | id` | im going to upload idChat now |
| 20:16.24 | id` | it has timestamps |
| 20:16.29 | ToastTheif | yay |
| 20:16.34 | id` | ^________________^ |
| 20:16.40 | ToastTheif | --[[ ]]-- for timestamps ;) |
| 20:16.48 | id` | :p; |
| 20:19.21 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/ |
| 20:19.21 | id` | there you go |
| 20:19.58 | ToastTheif | hmm |
| 20:20.01 | ToastTheif | don't see the new one |
| 20:20.07 | id` | if it breaks other things tell them to use the event not hook the addmessage because i'm actually doing something to the frame and they suck. the end |
| 20:20.11 | id` | ctrl+f5 |
| 20:20.12 | ToastTheif | just 1.9-1.1 |
| 20:20.20 | id` | # 1.9-1 |
| 20:20.20 | id` | # 1.9-1.1 |
| 20:20.21 | id` | # 1.9-2 |
| 20:20.30 | id` | ;) |
| 20:20.34 | ToastTheif | there it is |
| 20:20.37 | ToastTheif | had to refresh |
| 20:20.41 | id` | .. |
| 20:20.48 | ToastTheif | so |
| 20:20.53 | id` | so/ :) |
| 20:20.57 | ToastTheif | you add the keep hidden code? |
| 20:21.03 | id` | s/\//?/ |
| 20:21.09 | id` | ~lart purl |
| 20:21.14 | id` | .. |
| 20:21.23 | id` | keep hidden? |
| 20:21.27 | id` | keep what hidden? |
| 20:21.35 | ToastTheif | jeez |
| 20:21.39 | ToastTheif | u have a bad memory |
| 20:21.46 | id` | no, 1GB, it's fine |
| 20:21.50 | id` | :B |
| 20:21.52 | ToastTheif | remember how the buttons were becoming unhidden? |
| 20:21.58 | id` | eh, thats old |
| 20:22.07 | id` | fixed that in 1.8-3 |
| 20:22.27 | pagefault | the horde needs a web site |
| 20:22.30 | pagefault | horde.org or something |
| 20:22.36 | ToastTheif | oh |
| 20:22.36 | ToastTheif | well |
| 20:22.38 | ToastTheif | then |
| 20:22.41 | id` | ;) |
| 20:22.41 | ToastTheif | modual time? |
| 20:22.47 | id` | modual time? |
| 20:22.49 | id` | wha? |
| 20:23.15 | id` | date('%H:%M:%S'), how much harder can it get? :-) |
| 20:23.48 | id` | Yes it will be configurable once i add slash commands |
| 20:23.54 | id` | wich is not planned for the next version |
| 20:23.57 | id` | :p |
| 20:24.18 | id` | cause i dont feel like it |
| 20:24.18 | id` | :D |
| 20:24.30 | id` | (Aren't i great with users :P?) |
| 20:24.56 | ToastTheif | no |
| 20:25.03 | ToastTheif | what I mean is |
| 20:25.03 | id` | <3 |
| 20:25.06 | ToastTheif | the moduals |
| 20:25.11 | ToastTheif | like all the other stuff |
| 20:25.17 | ToastTheif | you wanted to add |
| 20:25.22 | id` | o right |
| 20:25.27 | ToastTheif | yes |
| 20:25.38 | id` | it was here somewhere |
| 20:27.02 | id` | oh right, hah |
| 20:27.07 | id` | i put it on my site in hte html |
| 20:27.08 | ToastTheif | ya |
| 20:27.09 | id` | so i wouldnt lose it |
| 20:27.10 | id` | :p |
| 20:27.17 | id` | I'm so brillant |
| 20:27.29 | id` | (dailywtf anyone?) |
| 20:29.20 | id` | update on that |
| 20:29.34 | id` | gunna hack and slash in satrina's chat frame addon now |
| 20:29.42 | id` | blatantly copy/pasting code |
| 20:30.06 | Cairenn | blatantly give credit then :p |
| 20:30.35 | ToastTheif | right |
| 20:32.35 | id` | Cairenn: ofcource, Didn't you read the info at my site? |
| 20:32.41 | id` | s/D/d/ |
| 20:33.24 | Cairenn | good man |
| 20:33.51 | id` | ;) |
| 20:34.20 | id` | I stopped updating changelogs and removed them though |
| 20:34.23 | id` | because im too lazy |
| 20:34.35 | id` | and i have no sql db, i'd code myself a little app to publish... |
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| 20:36.19 | id` | heh theres a chopper here for like 10 mins already |
| 20:36.22 | id` | spotlight on |
| 20:36.28 | id` | hope they catch the fucker |
| 20:37.11 | id` | no offense ToastTheif |
| 20:37.13 | pagefault | haha |
| 20:37.13 | id` | ;x |
| 20:37.18 | ToastTheif | thieves* |
| 20:37.32 | pagefault | i before e except after y |
| 20:37.37 | pagefault | </grade 2> |
| 20:38.01 | id` | No entry found for theif. |
| 20:38.02 | id` | Did you mean thief? |
| 20:38.03 | ToastTheif | after c, not y |
| 20:38.07 | id` | fix your name |
| 20:38.08 | id` | kthx |
| 20:38.11 | pagefault | c? |
| 20:38.12 | ToastTheif | my name is fixed |
| 20:38.21 | id` | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theif |
| 20:38.32 | Cairenn | i before e except after c and when in eigh, as in neighbour and weigh |
| 20:38.38 | pagefault | ah blah |
| 20:38.41 | pagefault | I fail at english apparently |
| 20:38.45 | Tain | I can't even think of any words that have yie or yei. |
| 20:38.48 | Tain | In English at least. |
| 20:38.53 | ToastTheif | id` I am aware 'theif' is not the same as thief, I was the one who corrected YOU ;) |
| 20:39.03 | Tain | Me fail English? That's unpossible! |
| 20:39.12 | id` | note dictionary.com doesnt know theif |
| 20:39.18 | ToastTheif | ... |
| 20:39.23 | ToastTheif | that is what I am saying |
| 20:39.30 | id` | so explain to me what it's supposed to mean |
| 20:39.30 | ToastTheif | because the correct spelling is THIEF |
| 20:39.49 | id` | guess im too un-american |
| 20:40.06 | id` | to see such things |
| 20:40.08 | id` | :p |
| 20:40.21 | ToastTheif | I used theif because one, just one of the sites I vist had a ToastThief |
| 20:40.29 | ToastTheif | so I was like wtf?grrr |
| 20:40.34 | id` | haha Satrina blatantly copied code from ChatScroll |
| 20:40.36 | id` | :-) |
| 20:40.42 | id` | (just like me) |
| 20:40.45 | Tain | There are multiple ToastThieves out there? |
| 20:40.47 | ToastTheif | and I figured no one would be cool like me and use Theif |
| 20:40.48 | Tain | That's scary. |
| 20:40.55 | id` | Theives* |
| 20:40.55 | ToastTheif | just one |
| 20:41.00 | ToastTheif | that I know of |
| 20:41.00 | id` | xD |
| 20:41.04 | ToastTheif | Theives* |
| 20:41.08 | ToastTheif | grr |
| 20:41.08 | id` | beat ya to it |
| 20:41.10 | id` | :D |
| 20:41.11 | ToastTheif | now u have me doing it |
| 20:41.18 | ToastTheif | I meant Thieves* |
| 20:41.24 | id` | hihi |
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| 20:42.06 | ToastTheif | I will now be back later |
| 20:42.14 | Cairenn | later ToastTheif |
| 20:42.45 | id` | bye |
| 20:43.05 | ToastTheif | back |
| 20:45.38 | id` | .. |
| 20:45.53 | id` | ChatFrameExtender:Hook("ChatEdit_SendText", ChatFrameExtender.ChatEdit_SendText) |
| 20:45.57 | id` | ah-ha! |
| 20:46.06 | id` | ToastTheif: expect abbreviations in the next idChat |
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| 20:47.36 | Beladona | damnit |
| 20:47.49 | Cairenn | tinmad |
| 20:47.52 | Beladona | what a way to end a week out - pull your back out |
| 20:48.02 | Tain | Is this a convention that anyone has ever come across? (example) if getglobal(f)["OnEnter"] then |
| 20:48.21 | Tain | where f is a frame. |
| 20:48.30 | Cairenn | not good Bela :( |
| 20:48.43 | Beladona | that seems like an old hackish way of doing it Tain |
| 20:48.45 | Cairenn | what happened? |
| 20:48.51 | Tain | That sucks, Bela |
| 20:48.53 | Beladona | before the script functions were added |
| 20:49.05 | Beladona | I was being stupid and lifting some heavy boxes |
| 20:49.10 | id` | well umm |
| 20:49.13 | Beladona | felt it go too |
| 20:49.17 | Cairenn | not good |
| 20:49.22 | ToastTheif | id` |
| 20:49.25 | id` | ToastTheif: |
| 20:49.26 | Cairenn | go to the doc |
| 20:49.31 | Beladona | its minor |
| 20:49.34 | ToastTheif | abbreviations is in 1.9.2 I thought... |
| 20:49.35 | Tain | Ah. It doesn't seem to actually work. Well in my limited test case of a single frame. |
| 20:49.42 | ToastTheif | it has them in the lua code |
| 20:49.48 | ToastTheif | some abbrevations anyway |
| 20:49.54 | Beladona | just hurts to change my posture |
| 20:49.54 | Shadowd | Hmm, the API doesn't happen to have a way to block specific PlaySound's from running I take it? |
| 20:49.55 | Tem | Tain, it won't work |
| 20:49.57 | Beladona | =P |
| 20:49.57 | Cairenn | minor back injury now may be major back injury later |
| 20:50.04 | Cairenn | that's more than minor :p |
| 20:50.09 | id` | ToastTheif: i mean /idchat abb add 'lol':'Laughing out Loud' |
| 20:50.13 | id` | ;) |
| 20:50.19 | Tain | Tem: Good, it's coming out of Visor. :) |
| 20:50.21 | ToastTheif | oh screw that |
| 20:50.26 | ToastTheif | make that modual |
| 20:50.26 | id` | ToastTheif: no |
| 20:50.29 | Tem | that was in Visor? |
| 20:50.35 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 20:50.36 | Beladona | my best friend is a massage therapist |
| 20:50.37 | id` | ToastTheif: it will support regex |
| 20:50.40 | Beladona | and he is coming over |
| 20:50.41 | Beladona | tonight |
| 20:50.46 | Beladona | will just get him to look at it |
| 20:50.47 | ToastTheif | whatever regex is |
| 20:50.51 | Cairenn | yeah, well, don't mess around with it |
| 20:50.53 | ToastTheif | but make that modual... |
| 20:50.58 | id` | ToastTheif: thats how timestamps work now, take everything and make it <timestamp>+everything |
| 20:50.58 | Tem | Beladona, "I read my friend is a rapist" |
| 20:51.03 | Beladona | ! |
| 20:51.07 | Beladona | not yet |
| 20:51.11 | id` | lol |
| 20:51.12 | id` | ]! |
| 20:51.28 | Cairenn | trust me, you don't want to have to deal with a screwed up back for the rest of your life |
| 20:51.38 | Beladona | this wouldn't be the first time |
| 20:51.47 | Tain | Tem: I'm fixing the scripting so it can properly add to a frame's existing "OnEnter" "OnClick" etc., or optionally overwrite entirely. |
| 20:52.17 | Tain | "When did it happen?" "Oh seven days ago." "Oh, a week back?" |
| 20:52.28 | Beladona | haha |
| 20:52.40 | Tem | Hey Cair, I've been curious about this: How is the "spotlight addon" chosen? Is it random? |
| 20:52.45 | Beladona | and the Corny Joke of the day goes to! |
| 20:52.48 | Cairenn | Tem: aye |
| 20:52.54 | Tain | hehe |
| 20:53.04 | Cairenn | Tain: *groan* |
| 20:53.17 | Cairenn | that was bad ... you might even say it was lame |
| 20:53.27 | Tem | Cairenn, don't go there |
| 20:53.37 | Cairenn | too late |
| 20:53.58 | Cairenn | we have to be careful to not cripple the conversation though |
| 20:54.21 | Tem | purl, fish Cairenn |
| 20:54.23 | purl | ACTION slaps Cairenn around with a large trout |
| 20:54.23 | Tain | Let's just get this little sore spot behind us. |
| 20:54.49 | Tem | ~lart Tain |
| 20:54.52 | Beladona | IE7 still has png gamma issues |
| 20:54.53 | Cairenn | Tain has a tendoncy of muscling his way through things |
| 20:54.57 | Beladona | what a surprise |
| 20:54.58 | ToastTheif | ./confused |
| 20:55.20 | ToastTheif | are you guys arguing? |
| 20:55.25 | ToastTheif | I truly cannot tell |
| 20:55.39 | Tain | Cairenn just won't let me get this monkey off my back. |
| 20:55.55 | Tem | ToastTheif, you noob; they are making horrible back injury puns |
| 20:56.01 | Beladona | aren't you the monkey? |
| 20:56.03 | Cairenn | Okay Tain, I really need to call a halt to this |
| 20:56.14 | ToastTheif | well I got the joke |
| 20:56.19 | ToastTheif | Cairenn just seemed mad |
| 20:56.22 | ToastTheif | and I wasen't sure |
| 20:56.33 | Tem | Cairenn, was making them too! |
| 20:56.44 | Tem | s/,// |
| 20:56.56 | ToastTheif | well see |
| 20:57.01 | ToastTheif | I just suck at this thing |
| 20:57.05 | ToastTheif | so that's why I asked |
| 20:57.06 | Cairenn | Tem is just lying down on the job |
| 20:57.20 | ToastTheif | whoa |
| 20:57.31 | ToastTheif | it says Tem's real name if u click on 'Tem' |
| 20:57.42 | ToastTheif | Cair's real name is Gaim |
| 20:57.55 | Tain | Nice to meet you Ms. Gaim. |
| 20:57.55 | id` | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/ |
| 20:57.57 | id` | read that |
| 20:58.06 | ToastTheif | apparently I am Jerm |
| 20:58.07 | Cairenn | Well, I think we can put this conversation to rest |
| 20:58.09 | id` | all of it |
| 20:58.18 | Beladona | rest? I wish |
| 20:58.34 | Tain | I can't shoulder the responsibility of all of these jokes. |
| 20:58.48 | id` | oh god people, the agony |
| 20:58.51 | id` | :| |
| 20:58.54 | Tem | oh my god they just keep coming |
| 20:59.06 | id` | ahhhh |
| 20:59.09 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Beladona -> Mod Dev Discussions: Every pun kills a kitten, be kind! |
| 21:00.02 | id` | ke ke |
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| 21:00.04 | Tain | I'm sure I killed enough kittens today. |
| 21:00.09 | Cairenn | I can really get my claws into this one |
| 21:00.11 | Tain | And that was before I got on irc. |
| 21:00.39 | Tem | epscially because the old one made a reference to the dreaded "happy and you know it" song |
| 21:00.57 | Cairenn | Oh Tem, don't get your fur all ruffled |
| 21:01.07 | id` | If you're happy and you know it, squash a gnome! |
| 21:01.40 | pagefault | gnomes make good pets |
| 21:01.41 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Beladona -> Mod Dev Discussions: Every time you tell a pun, a kitten is killed. Please, think of the kittens! |
| 21:01.44 | pagefault | plus they can be litter trained |
| 21:02.16 | Beladona | http://www.funlol.com/pictures/what-is-missing-here.html |
| 21:02.21 | Ktron | What if I don't like kittens? |
| 21:02.45 | Ktron | Or, if the antikittenists discover that they can save the world one pun at a time? |
| 21:04.37 | id` | Q: How do i discover what arges a function has/needs |
| 21:04.38 | Tain | ooh I just remembered that I've had dreams that involved 'witches' a few times in the last week and wanted to look up what some interpretations are. |
| 21:04.39 | id` | ? |
| 21:04.49 | Tain | To see a witch in your dream, represents evil, destructive, and dangerous feminine forces. |
| 21:05.17 | id` | more specigfically 'ChatEdit_SendText' and 'ChatEdit_ParseText' |
| 21:05.26 | id` | s/ig/i/ |
| 21:08.29 | id` | i wish the wow chat was irssi |
| 21:08.35 | id` | >_> |
| 21:10.39 | ToastTheif | Ö |
| 21:12.51 | Beladona | I wish WOW had cross server chat |
| 21:12.54 | Beladona | like EQ does |
| 21:13.00 | Cairenn | that'd be cool |
| 21:13.01 | Beladona | and EQ <-> EQ2 |
| 21:13.24 | Beladona | you just do /whisper servername.playername |
| 21:14.26 | Beladona | OMG hahaha |
| 21:14.27 | Beladona | http://www.funlol.com/pictures/hamster-war.html |
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| 21:16.51 | Elkano^wtf | well, I hope they'll add crossserver BGs soon... |
| 21:17.15 | Ktron | cross server whispers would be awesome |
| 21:17.53 | Shadowd | Don't alliance out number the horde on the majority of the servers? So wouldn't cross server just make it worst. |
| 21:17.58 | Ktron | cross server BGs... I want them to do this but I want mixed server teams and trade disabled in BGs |
| 21:17.59 | Cairenn | Beladona: that is just so wrong |
| 21:18.14 | Cairenn | it wounds me |
| 21:18.57 | Ktron | I don't want cross server BGs where a team is a single server instead |
| 21:19.22 | Ktron | There's nothing wrong with the latter, it just isn't the best system |
| 21:20.31 | Shadowd | Hopfully they at least make it stable and doesn't cause more issues with deserter |
| 21:20.41 | Elkano^wtf | Well, my two mainchars are on servers with more horde than alliance :/ |
| 21:21.14 | Shadowd | both of mine have alliance out numbering horde. I'm at about 2 hour wait time for WSG. |
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| 21:22.36 | Shadowd | But we get AV daily, so that makes up for everything! |
| 21:23.25 | Corrodias | silly alliance players |
| 21:24.06 | Beladona | I have a lot of trouble getting to sleep at night, because my mind is always running different ideas and scenarios around. Last night I had this going: |
| 21:24.11 | id` | Beladona: love the link |
| 21:24.29 | Beladona | can you imagine the possible benefits if Blizzard, or any MMORPG really switched to cell processor computing? |
| 21:24.57 | Shadowd | What's the Updated DevZone Beta files go on, just updated anything or file? Just realized I have half the entries |
| 21:25.00 | Corrodias | and what is that? multithreaded code? |
| 21:25.25 | id` | Q: How do i discover what arges a function has/needs |
| 21:25.27 | Beladona | no |
| 21:25.42 | id` | more specifically 'ChatEdit_SendText' and 'ChatEdit_ParseText' |
| 21:26.13 | Shadowd | Could go into the FrameXML and look it up |
| 21:26.33 | Beladona | think of cell processing as clusters for processors |
| 21:27.18 | Shadowd | Looks like ChatEdit_SendText takes the edit box frame it looks like as the first argument, and a boolean for if you want to add the text to history or not. |
| 21:28.27 | Beladona | http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT021005084318 |
| 21:28.47 | Shadowd | And ChatEdit_ParseText takes the edit box as first argument, not sure what the second argument does though. |
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| 21:45.55 | Ktron | http://media.funlol.com/content/img/web-acronyms.jpg |
| 21:49.45 | id` | laame |
| 21:50.40 | Shadowd | Hamster one was better |
| 22:09.09 | Beladona | heading home, see everyone shortly |
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| 22:09.18 | Cairenn | later Bela |
| 22:16.25 | Iriel | Cair :updated 1.10 thread |
| 22:17.30 | Cairenn | Iriel: okay, thanks :) |
| 22:17.35 | Corrodias | ugh. directx's near clipping plane is just too damn far away |
| 22:17.52 | Corrodias | d3d |
| 22:17.57 | Iriel | Can't you just move it? |
| 22:18.13 | Iriel | Or adjust your world geometry so it's relatively closer |
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| 22:18.28 | Corrodias | i dunno, these plugin authors can't seem to do anything about it |
| 22:24.40 | Cairenn | Iriel: updated at WoWI now as well |
| 22:26.29 | krka | anyone know if curse has a way to transfer ownership of addons? |
| 22:26.38 | Iriel | Yes |
| 22:26.40 | Iriel | PM Net |
| 22:26.59 | krka | but no built in function for it? |
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| 22:27.30 | Iriel | It has PM built in |
| 22:27.32 | Iriel | and you PM Net |
| 22:27.33 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 22:27.37 | Gryphen | lol |
| 22:27.57 | Cairenn | or SilverShadow |
| 22:28.18 | Cairenn | although I am not sure just how much admin capacity she has |
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| 22:37.23 | zeeg | is there something going on? |
| 22:37.28 | zeeg | it's thursday and there's nearly 3k users on guru |
| 22:37.56 | Iriel | Someone said you were offering free porn? |
| 22:38.45 | Shadowd | That'd probably get more then 3k users |
| 22:39.06 | zeeg | lol |
| 22:40.05 | zeeg | brb |
| 22:42.27 | AnduinLothar | 3k users per second maybe |
| 22:44.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zeeg (n=wguru@63.147.183.47) |
| 22:44.55 | Shadowd | Pretty sure last time i tried to submit a profile it took me like 30 minutes before I gave up trying to find the tool! |
| 22:46.19 | AnduinLothar | there's a manual upload ya, but it's not linked from anywhere useful except maybe the exe download page |
| 22:46.45 | Shadowd | That explains it |
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| 23:21.30 | Ktron | ~getlink |
| 23:21.51 | Ktron | anyone remember where getlink is (like, online)? |
| 23:23.15 | Ktron | got it, nvm |
| 23:24.02 | sarf|sleep | G'nite! |
| 23:24.10 | AnduinLothar | night sarf |
| 23:26.15 | Cairenn | night sarf|sleep, sweet dreams :) |
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| 23:29.04 | fatbrain | Hello, any information about WDB file type? |
| 23:29.32 | Corrodias | it sucks |
| 23:29.46 | Corrodias | no, i know nothing |
| 23:30.05 | Kolth | fatbrain: Why do you ask? |
| 23:30.49 | fatbrain | Because I'm parsing them and there's a few gaps I havn't been able to figure out, so I was hoping someone else is looking at the WDBs too. |
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| 23:34.08 | Corrodias | so i have connected my laptop through the network and commanded it to copy the entire content of my external drive on my desktop to an external drive connected to itself. |
| 23:34.40 | Corrodias | i can tell this is going to take a while. it's been "preparing to copy" (taking inventory) for 5 minutes.. ah, there, it has begun |
| 23:40.36 | Corrodias | okay. so far, there is one little "bar", of which there have to be some 30 when it finishes. |
| 23:42.18 | Iriel | Ok, so how's this for an annoying web form |
| 23:42.25 | Iriel | You have to pick from a drop down and enter 2 numbers |
| 23:42.41 | Iriel | If you happen to cut and paste a trailing space after any of the numbers, or forget to pick from the dropdown.. |
| 23:43.00 | Iriel | then it resets the form (discards all your info), and tells you to fill in all the required fields |
| 23:43.54 | Depherios | lol |
| 23:44.03 | Shadowd | wow |
| 23:44.11 | Depherios | if Codayus is still hear, Druids PvP gear has a speed increase |
| 23:45.29 | Cairenn | Iriel: yeah, that's pretty annoying |
| 23:46.40 | fatbrain | So... no WDB pro's ? |
| 23:47.36 | Iriel | There are folks who have looked at the format, but I dont think they're here at present |
| 23:49.13 | fatbrain | Iriel: ok, thanks, I'll linger for a while. |
