| 00:12.00 | Cairenn | I can see why you wanted to smack Shmeerm upside the head, Iriel |
| 00:13.50 | Iriel | I just can't understand people who fail to grasp basic facts like that, it's denial of the highest form! |
| 00:14.14 | Codayus | ? |
| 00:14.30 | Cairenn | and then make snide remarks about Blizz, to try to compensate |
| 00:14.53 | Cairenn | his final comment is snide, too |
| 00:15.19 | Iriel | I replied to that |
| 00:16.26 | Cairenn | that second "sentence" makes me want to smack him |
| 00:17.18 | Iriel | 2nd sentence of post 3 is what triggered my initial comment |
| 00:17.33 | Cairenn | yah |
| 00:19.48 | krka | but he's a level 60, then he must be pretty smart! |
| 00:19.56 | krka | i have only gotten to 49 |
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| 00:21.12 | Codayus | Perhaps unfortunately, it doesn't take skill or intelligence to get to 60. Just persistence. :-( |
| 00:21.18 | Cairenn | only 2 levels behind me, krka |
| 00:22.53 | Iriel | And 6 levels ahead of my 2nd best character |
| 00:22.53 | Iriel | She'd be 60 by now if it wasn't for the API's i'm sure |
| 00:22.53 | krka | hmm.. then perhaps NOT having a 60 is a better sign of intelligence |
| 00:22.53 | Depherios | oh Codayus... Druids go faster than a mount in PvP gear |
| 00:22.54 | Depherios | not epics |
| 00:22.54 | Codayus | I've got a hunter at 48 who I keep meaning to finish lvling. But...eh. Getting from 48 -> endgame is just such a grind... |
| 00:22.54 | Codayus | Interesting. |
| 00:23.06 | Shadowd | Is that with the run speed talent in cat form? |
| 00:23.06 | Depherios | 4 peice bonus |
| 00:23.08 | Depherios | 4: Increases your movement speed by 15% while in Bear, Cat, or Travel Form. Only active outdoors. |
| 00:23.36 | Depherios | on both sets of PvP gear |
| 00:23.58 | Cairenn | (on an aside: you know you made dinner well when your kiddo gnaws on the pork chop bones to get every last scrap of meat off them because they tasted so good) |
| 00:24.07 | Depherios | so... with talents they're uberfast, and move at like... 105% cloaked in cat form |
| 00:24.47 | Cairenn | (yes, that was completely and utterly random and had nothing to do with anything) |
| 00:24.48 | krka | funny, she doesn't look druish |
| 00:24.55 | Depherios | lol krka |
| 00:25.34 | krka | ok i need to sleep now i think. the one who can tell me which movie that was from wins a full night in my dreams! |
| 00:25.49 | Depherios | ... well spaceballs, but I don't want the night thanks XD |
| 00:26.02 | Codayus | krka: I suspect most people in here could recognize the quote. :-) |
| 00:26.03 | krka | you shall get it anyway! muahahaha |
| 00:26.48 | krka | perhaps perhaps |
| 00:27.12 | Cairenn | I know nutting, nut-ting! |
| 00:28.21 | krka | fawlty towers? |
| 00:28.22 | Iriel | Thatd be manuel |
| 00:28.32 | Cairenn | nope, nope |
| 00:28.44 | krka | well, atleast i was as wrong as iriel! |
| 00:28.50 | Iriel | hm, well, it IS a quote from there, so perhaps it's ambiguous. |
| 00:29.22 | zeeg | WHo here's in EU? |
| 00:29.35 | Cairenn | Sargent Shultz, of Hogan's Heroes |
| 00:29.38 | krka | me |
| 00:29.42 | zeeg | krka, where at |
| 00:29.48 | krka | sweden |
| 00:29.58 | zeeg | how much are apartments around there? |
| 00:30.11 | zeeg | me and some friends are thinking about going to europe for a month or two, and all I can find online are vacation rentals which are 1k+ a week |
| 00:30.11 | krka | depends on where in sweden |
| 00:30.26 | zeeg | i wanna find something relatively normal to the price of an apartment in the US :P |
| 00:30.29 | krka | 1k+ euro? |
| 00:30.36 | zeeg | 1k+ euro or US$ |
| 00:30.41 | zeeg | but im looking more along the lines of |
| 00:30.47 | zeeg | 1k euro (or us) for a month |
| 00:30.54 | zeeg | 1000-1500 |
| 00:30.57 | zeeg | wouold have to have 2 bedrooms |
| 00:31.12 | krka | well, student apartments are around ¤2-300 per month |
| 00:31.17 | krka | but that's kinda long term i guess |
| 00:31.26 | zeeg | we wanna go for 1-3 months (not sure yet) |
| 00:31.35 | krka | regular apartments are more like ¤4-500 |
| 00:31.44 | zeeg | is that euros? |
| 00:31.47 | krka | yes |
| 00:31.51 | krka | ¤ = euro |
| 00:31.56 | fatbrain | hehe |
| 00:32.01 | krka | not that we use ¤ in sweden |
| 00:32.06 | fatbrain | € |
| 00:32.22 | zeeg | my keyboard actually has an € key |
| 00:32.23 | zeeg | lol |
| 00:32.30 | krka | dont know how hard it is to find apartments though |
| 00:33.00 | krka | but ¤1k per month shouldn't be impossible to find, even for somewhat central locations in stockholm |
| 00:33.00 | zeeg | hrm |
| 00:33.07 | zeeg | alright |
| 00:33.10 | zeeg | i dont know my geography |
| 00:33.14 | zeeg | where at is sweden? |
| 00:33.15 | zeeg | like |
| 00:33.19 | zeeg | in relation to italy/france/etc |
| 00:33.19 | zeeg | how far |
| 00:33.30 | fatbrain | sweden is north of everything :P |
| 00:33.32 | krka | actually, just ignore me, i really have no idea about the apartment situation, i am mostly guessing |
| 00:33.34 | zeeg | ah |
| 00:33.47 | fatbrain | You wouldn't wanna go to Sweden to see europe |
| 00:33.50 | krka | you know, you could always google for a map |
| 00:33.56 | Cairenn | http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.only-maps.com/europe-map.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.only-maps.com/europe-map.html&h=564&w=700&sz=126&tbnid=tVTsebJdLqIJ:&tbnh=111&tbnw=138&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deurope%2Bmap%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=3 |
| 00:34.00 | zeeg | well i wanna go *somewhere* to see Europe :) |
| 00:34.05 | zeeg | at least parts of it |
| 00:34.28 | krka | sweden has some pretty nice forests and mountains and stuff |
| 00:34.36 | Cairenn | zeeg, click the link :p |
| 00:34.42 | fatbrain | yeah, that's true |
| 00:34.45 | zeeg | oh |
| 00:34.46 | zeeg | its an island |
| 00:34.51 | krka | ... |
| 00:34.57 | zeeg | where's cotland |
| 00:34.58 | zeeg | *scotland |
| 00:35.02 | zeeg | err not an island |
| 00:35.02 | zeeg | but ya |
| 00:35.12 | krka | scotland is in the north of great britain |
| 00:35.16 | Iriel | scotland is the northern part of the UK |
| 00:35.34 | Cairenn | zeeg, click the link :p |
| 00:35.39 | zeeg | hrm |
| 00:35.51 | fatbrain | (I bet $10 he already clicked the link) |
| 00:36.10 | zeeg | ok so London would probably be a good place to stay? |
| 00:36.12 | krka | if you only know english, sweden might be a good place to be if you want to be understood |
| 00:36.13 | zeeg | or around that area |
| 00:36.20 | zeeg | i know some french/some spanish |
| 00:36.20 | Cairenn | if he clicked the link, he wouldn't have asked where Scotland was :p |
| 00:36.22 | zeeg | and so do my friends |
| 00:36.26 | zeeg | i dont see scotland marked.. |
| 00:36.28 | krka | i think... french and germans are probably somewhat worse at english |
| 00:36.39 | Maldivia | learn Danish instead |
| 00:36.41 | zeeg | i know bits of german too |
| 00:36.44 | Iriel | Shmeerm doesn't need technical help, he needs therapy |
| 00:36.52 | fatbrain | scotland isn't marked on the map |
| 00:36.53 | Cairenn | lol, he post again? |
| 00:37.03 | Cairenn | it isn't? how bizarre |
| 00:37.07 | zeeg | but London would be a good place to stay if I wanted to see at least parts of europe? |
| 00:37.08 | Shadowd | Did he start swearing at you yet Iriel? |
| 00:37.08 | krka | london is friggin expensive from what i hear |
| 00:37.09 | Iriel | "I doubt that Blizz limited the sandbox the way they did with the initial intent of real-time i/o prevention... but I imagine preventing all real-time i/o was a lot easier than selective prevention. " |
| 00:37.09 | fatbrain | Cairenn: click the link. |
| 00:37.13 | zeeg | err well around London |
| 00:37.19 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 00:37.19 | zeeg | not nesc in the town but a town in the nearby area |
| 00:37.24 | krka | apart from the fact that london is surrounded by water? :) |
| 00:37.27 | krka | well, england is |
| 00:37.29 | fatbrain | zeeg: if you want to see parts of london, london is a great place to travel to |
| 00:37.37 | Maldivia | Iriel: who wrote that? |
| 00:37.39 | zeeg | well i want to go to scotland |
| 00:37.40 | zeeg | :P |
| 00:37.46 | Cairenn | ah, not true, it *is* on the map |
| 00:37.47 | Shadowd | Schmeerm on WoW UI forums |
| 00:37.50 | Iriel | Maldivia : Shmeerm - a case study in selective denial |
| 00:37.55 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=313290&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 00:38.00 | Maldivia | hehe,yeah |
| 00:38.01 | fatbrain | hehe, someone's been watching to many Sean Connery movies :P |
| 00:38.02 | Iriel | I'm giving up on the thread |
| 00:38.07 | Iriel | but if anyone else wants to hop in |
| 00:38.10 | krka | stop feeding the troll |
| 00:38.17 | Cairenn | since it is an interactive map and clicking on UK zooms in and shows Scotland :p |
| 00:38.39 | fatbrain | this is a suggestion, travel to some please, sweden or whereverand then travel europe for a month |
| 00:39.00 | zespri | is there a compiler that will allow me to compile HelloWorld.lua into stand alone executable, say for windows? |
| 00:39.18 | krka | not that I know of |
| 00:39.20 | fatbrain | zespri: hm, sounds unlikely, but what do I know :P |
| 00:39.40 | Cairenn | Iriel: ... omg |
| 00:39.56 | zespri | ok thank you, after all that's not what lua is for |
| 00:40.14 | krka | you could distribute it along with the lua runtime though |
| 00:40.17 | Iriel | Well, you likely could bundle the lua engine and a script pretty small |
| 00:40.24 | krka | and make a batchfile that runs your lua script |
| 00:40.28 | Iriel | forgive the awful sentence construction there |
| 00:40.47 | zeeg | http://www.click4holidayhomes.com/2663 |
| 00:40.50 | zeeg | thats not too bad priced |
| 00:41.03 | fatbrain | I'm off, I'm making a mini-thottbot website :P haaa'r!!! |
| 00:42.17 | zeeg | O.o |
| 00:43.22 | fatbrain | zeeg... hm, the quakenet zeeg? |
| 00:44.33 | zeeg | the only zeeg :D |
| 00:44.54 | Cairenn | thank god for small mercies |
| 00:44.55 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:45.02 | fatbrain | zeeg: hah, gotcha ;) |
| 00:56.24 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.17 | Cairenn | boo Pittsburgh |
| 00:57.18 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:13.19 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/index2.html |
| 01:13.22 | Iriel | How does that look? |
| 01:13.51 | fatbrain | Iriel: I don't like the drop-shadow effect. |
| 01:14.03 | fatbrain | I'd rather go with some outlineing. |
| 01:14.14 | Cairenn | nifty |
| 01:14.27 | cladhaire | i like outling.. but the DS is nice. |
| 01:14.35 | cladhaire | Stroke filter 3 black is my god =) |
| 01:14.53 | cladhaire | that sounded dirtier than I intended. |
| 01:14.58 | Cairenn | if you are stiing with this, though, the drop shadow isn't consistent |
| 01:15.11 | Iriel | that is deliberate |
| 01:15.21 | Cairenn | okay |
| 01:15.29 | Iriel | but well done for noticing 8-) |
| 01:15.53 | Cairenn | it jumps right out at me, it's actually bugging me, to be honest |
| 01:16.01 | Cairenn | I want to fix it |
| 01:16.50 | fatbrain | I don't like drop-shadow it removes some of the contrast you get from the letters / background. |
| 01:16.53 | fatbrain | I like contrast. |
| 01:17.44 | Iriel | That was version 1.. I'll keep going 8-) |
| 01:17.50 | Iriel | thanks |
| 01:17.57 | fatbrain | You'r welcoem. |
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| 01:18.01 | fatbrain | bah, welcome* |
| 01:19.03 | Cairenn | hehehehe, you know that's going to drive me batty every time I see it, now |
| 01:19.24 | Cairenn | because I *will* see it, every single time, and I'll always want to fix it |
| 01:20.08 | Tain | I'm actually liking SciTE the more I use it. |
| 01:20.22 | fatbrain | SciTE is very, very good |
| 01:20.38 | fatbrain | Notepad++ and all the other SciTE wannabies can go to hell |
| 01:20.49 | Tain | It took me a while to get it configured the way I like it because of the way it's set up. |
| 01:20.55 | Tain | But I'm glad I stuck with it. |
| 01:21.03 | fatbrain | Tain: I get it up and running in less than 5min |
| 01:21.11 | fatbrain | Tain: I've installed / configured it alot of times. |
| 01:21.34 | Tain | Sure, once you actually know what the options you want are. |
| 01:21.41 | fatbrain | Tain: If you like SciTE, you should get your hands on "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono". If you already have it, change the mono-spaced font-setting to that font. It's the best! |
| 01:21.49 | fatbrain | Tain: indeed. |
| 01:22.06 | Tain | Yeah I do have the Bitstream font as well. |
| 01:22.20 | fatbrain | I use SciTE for my lisp/ruby/lua/html(css,js,bleh,stuff)/+other-various-scripting |
| 01:22.27 | fatbrain | Tain: Do you use it in SciTE? |
| 01:22.57 | Iriel | That's my font of choice for emacs and xterm |
| 01:22.57 | Tain | I actually haven't yet since I had forgotten about it while configuring. :) |
| 01:23.09 | Tain | But I was using it in my other editors. |
| 01:23.27 | fatbrain | Great, now configure SciTE to use it as well :P |
| 01:23.33 | fatbrain | NOOOOW!!! hry :P |
| 01:23.44 | cladhaire | I need a good font for WatchDog.. royalty free.. very clear and nice to see. |
| 01:24.20 | fatbrain | WatchDog, what's that? |
| 01:25.16 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3953 |
| 01:25.32 | Tain | Oh clad you know I just saw a new free font that was released recently that I liked. Let me find it and see if it fits thebill. |
| 01:26.09 | fatbrain | Cairenn: isn't it considered good practice *not* to introduce new fonts in mods? but to rely on the *base* fonts? |
| 01:26.18 | Cairenn | why? |
| 01:26.28 | Cairenn | why not have a new font if you want to? |
| 01:26.43 | fatbrain | Because of the inconsitencies throughout the UI? |
| 01:27.11 | Cairenn | think 1.10, that's what these guys are thinking about |
| 01:27.39 | fatbrain | I rather play with size/kerning/colors/style than to change an entire typeface, but I agree that a *new* typeface can sometimes be required. |
| 01:28.05 | Tain | Here it was, cladhaire. Just happened to be looking at it a few days ago. http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentium |
| 01:28.20 | Cairenn | meh, if they want to put a new font in, go for it, I say |
| 01:28.44 | Tain | And if not there's a bunch of other free fonts on the sil site. |
| 01:29.20 | Cairenn | that's a pretty nice one, Tain |
| 01:29.40 | cladhaire | nice! |
| 01:29.41 | Tain | I'll let you use it for only a small finder's fee. ;) |
| 01:29.49 | cladhaire | very clean |
| 01:30.18 | Cairenn | yeah, the more I'm looking at it, the more I like it |
| 01:30.21 | cladhaire | need to see what the numbers look like |
| 01:30.26 | cladhaire | i can't stand sunken numbers |
| 01:32.14 | AnduinLothar | interesting font. looks almost italic |
| 01:32.23 | cladhaire | same |
| 01:32.25 | cladhaire | Tain roxors. |
| 01:32.35 | Tain | It's true. |
| 01:32.37 | cladhaire | 4.8 kbps.. boo |
| 01:32.56 | Cairenn | I'at at 8.4 =/ |
| 01:32.58 | fatbrain | pretty slick, can you use fonts that are available on the system or do you have to supply the typeface.file? |
| 01:33.14 | cladhaire | you have to supply the file fatbrain |
| 01:33.28 | cladhaire | its quite easy as well.. without interfering with the rest of the game's fonts |
| 01:34.13 | fatbrain | yes, I've noticed that some addons supply a typeface file. neat. |
| 01:34.32 | fatbrain | ttf? |
| 01:34.39 | AnduinLothar | ttf ftw |
| 01:34.44 | fatbrain | ok |
| 01:34.53 | AnduinLothar | true type font |
| 01:35.26 | Tain | A lot of people don't realize the restrictions around a lot of fonts. There's not really a lot of freely-distributiable fonts. |
| 01:35.36 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 01:35.51 | Tain | I was shocked to find out how much people pay for professional type fonts sometimes. |
| 01:36.13 | cladhaire | i wonder how wow will render it |
| 01:36.16 | cladhaire | lets try =) |
| 01:36.26 | AnduinLothar | ya, thousands for cd's of fonts |
| 01:36.42 | AnduinLothar | depending on liscense |
| 01:38.19 | Cairenn | Oh, I do like that, indeed |
| 01:41.33 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/index3.html |
| 01:41.44 | Iriel | positioning of the word 'org' notwithstanding |
| 01:41.55 | fatbrain | Iriel: one word: "no" |
| 01:42.16 | Cairenn | Liked the other one better, Iriel |
| 01:42.20 | AnduinLothar | why not put the .org on the 'i' dot |
| 01:42.32 | Shadowd | Yeah, first one looked better |
| 01:42.40 | AnduinLothar | not esp original, but w/e |
| 01:42.43 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I didn't like it there |
| 01:43.05 | Cairenn | remember though, it's what *you* think that matters, not what we do |
| 01:43.16 | AnduinLothar | i liked the other one tho with the i inverted |
| 01:43.32 | AnduinLothar | you might just make the I completely upsidedown |
| 01:43.40 | AnduinLothar | with no dot on top |
| 01:44.37 | AnduinLothar | and ya i liked the other one better than just white with shadow |
| 01:47.14 | zeeg | org looks funny |
| 01:47.22 | zeeg | make the i upside down |
| 01:47.25 | zeeg | that'd be creative |
| 01:47.27 | zeeg | and use that for the dot |
| 01:47.37 | Cairenn | that's what the first one was |
| 01:48.09 | zeeg | oh |
| 01:48.11 | zeeg | i didnt see a first |
| 01:48.14 | zeeg | wasnt paying attention |
| 01:49.19 | zeeg | i wonder if i can get the owner to sell me david.com |
| 01:52.44 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/index4.html |
| 01:52.51 | Iriel | That one's more consistent with another of my sites |
| 01:53.08 | Cairenn | that's kinda interesting |
| 01:54.15 | Cairenn | I think I like this one the best, so far |
| 01:54.18 | cladhaire | I like it |
| 01:54.29 | zeeg | i dont really like it :| |
| 01:54.31 | Iriel | I think org needs a slight bit of work |
| 01:54.36 | zeeg | the bevel is too deep imo |
| 01:54.39 | zeeg | and ya, org is plain |
| 01:54.52 | Tain | What does it look like if you offset the org a little lower? |
| 01:55.23 | fatbrain | I don't like it |
| 01:55.50 | fatbrain | Everything is black/white besides the blueish/purplish text-color... |
| 01:56.01 | fatbrain | I would try out an outlined version of the first one. |
| 01:56.17 | fatbrain | (the blueish/purplish doesn't fit, it has to go) |
| 01:56.23 | Iriel | I'm not big fan of outlines |
| 01:56.36 | zeeg | i liked index3 the best, just not the org part |
| 01:56.44 | zeeg | i think just an upside down I (not top dot) would be the best |
| 01:56.47 | fatbrain | Iriel: try drop-shadow with some dark/blackish glow. |
| 01:57.20 | AnduinLothar | Dunno. spose if you wanted you could try making it a lil busier and theming different letters after games, code ideas and stuff |
| 01:57.34 | AnduinLothar | lot more work tho |
| 01:58.48 | fatbrain | what would *define* a good guild-bank mod? |
| 01:59.03 | Tain | I did a quick pull of the org from 4 and just dragged it down a bit and I like the way it looks. |
| 01:59.52 | fatbrain | Iriel: what color-space do you work in? |
| 02:00.41 | Iriel | Just plain ol' sRGB |
| 02:01.20 | fatbrain | Ok, try HSV |
| 02:01.33 | fatbrain | hm, if you'r working in PS it's probably called HSB |
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| 02:01.51 | fatbrain | it's the right color-space to be *working* in. |
| 02:02.31 | Tain | Not to get too semantic, but it depends on what you're doing as to what the "right" color space is. :) |
| 02:03.18 | fatbrain | Tain: If you'r trying to put something together that's *nice* for humans, HSV is the place to be. |
| 02:03.36 | fatbrain | Tain: and yes, I know print-guys like CMYK because it's printer-friendly. |
| 02:04.58 | Tain | Well printer-friendly is understating it a bit. You work in CMYK if you're going to be doing pro-printing so you get accurate reproduction of what's on your screen. |
| 02:06.53 | Iriel | At that point you get into WHICH C, M, Y and K |
| 02:06.59 | Iriel | color's a very messy thing |
| 02:07.51 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/index5.html |
| 02:07.59 | Iriel | That's a much 'bolder' version of the sunken one |
| 02:08.59 | Iriel | with a different org |
| 02:09.05 | Ktron | Iriel; I think the thing I'd think about the most is what your logo is going to remind people of |
| 02:09.16 | Ktron | index3.html... probably apple |
| 02:09.27 | Iriel | Personally, i'd go with a logo I dont hate after a week |
| 02:09.29 | fatbrain | yeah, the *darkish* green is much better. Tho I would still like to see that outlined :P |
| 02:09.37 | Ktron | index4... perhaps wmp |
| 02:09.55 | fatbrain | Iriel: You'r not suppose to stair at the logo once it's finished... that'll make you grow weary of any logo. |
| 02:10.23 | Iriel | I'm sure cairenn can explain how, when working on a site or pages, it's inevitable |
| 02:10.55 | Cairenn | what, that you can end up hating the look of it after a week? |
| 02:11.01 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:11.02 | Cairenn | oh god, easily |
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| 02:11.06 | zeeg | http://www.nibbits.com/?q=site%3Acurse-gaming.com&x=0&y=0 |
| 02:11.10 | Iriel | just that you can't avoid looking at it |
| 02:11.13 | Iriel | again and again and again |
| 02:11.22 | Depherios | Iriel: that's why my page, when it exsisted, had a different layout for every page XD |
| 02:11.35 | Ktron | index5 looks a little like an Apple logo again, but less close... still a lot of white in your logo though, which I think still screams Apple, but I like the green |
| 02:11.56 | Ktron | index5 looks very 'open-source' |
| 02:11.56 | Cairenn | as I said, that was the one thing that was going to drive me absolutely insane about that first one you did, Iriel |
| 02:13.00 | Ktron | Also, another personal peference-- I'd recommend using a font that isn't quite so recognizeable |
| 02:13.49 | Iriel | Bah, the common fonts are the good ones |
| 02:13.51 | Cairenn | then again, I tend to like symmetry, hence why that one would make me nuts |
| 02:13.54 | Iriel | I'm not one for funky fonts for the sake of them |
| 02:13.59 | zeeg | bbl |
| 02:14.10 | fatbrain | shout "fatbrain!" if you ever get a outlined version online :P |
| 02:15.44 | Cairenn | I still say go with whichever one *you* like, you're the one that will see it the most |
| 02:16.08 | Depherios | or go with the one you like the second most, so you don't get tired of your favorite one? XD |
| 02:19.38 | Ktron | I don't mean for the sake of them being funky, and I'm not saying against clean fonts, it's just nice when imo when fonts aren't recognizeable |
| 02:23.09 | Tain | http://crushingdreams.com/t5.html - Now just for me personally, I liked this little change to the last one. |
| 02:23.35 | Cairenn | actually, I shouldn't say "symmetry", I should say "balance" |
| 02:24.21 | Iriel | Tain: Hm, side by side I think I like mine more still. |
| 02:25.36 | Depherios | I just made my logo from scratch, and didn't use a font |
| 02:26.37 | Tain | I just had a friend draw me one. http://crushingdreams.com :) |
| 02:26.57 | Iriel | I saw that, it's different 8-) |
| 02:27.08 | Iriel | Mext time, pick a friend who likes you 8-) |
| 02:27.50 | Tain | I wanted to hang it over the mantle. |
| 02:29.24 | Guillotine | interesting... does CompleteQuest() require a keypress? |
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| 02:30.28 | Guillotine | I'm trying to make an addon that automatically opens the quest, accepts it, and completes it when I click on an elder, but it seems that CompleteQuest doesn't work |
| 02:30.50 | cladhaire | it does |
| 02:30.54 | cladhaire | there are a few addons that do that |
| 02:31.00 | Guillotine | not exactly |
| 02:31.03 | cladhaire | Turnin is the best to look at |
| 02:31.04 | Guillotine | they just skip the gossip window |
| 02:31.06 | Guillotine | ah |
| 02:31.09 | Guillotine | I'll check that |
| 02:31.17 | cladhaire | there's a macro that does it too |
| 02:34.03 | Iriel | I suspect you're trying to complete before it's ready |
| 02:39.15 | Guillotine | no. I'm waiting as well, then manually typing '/script CompleteQuest();' |
| 02:39.20 | Guillotine | and it doesnt work |
| 02:40.25 | fatbrain | auto-quest-completion is good to have, didn't know there where such addons |
| 02:40.37 | fatbrain | all those repeatable reputation quests :| |
| 02:53.54 | Cairenn | rofl, I think they are playing football, not hockey, the way the score is going |
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| 02:59.47 | Cairenn | you know, I really hate that |
| 02:59.56 | Cairenn | you go to the fights, and a hockey game breaks out |
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| 03:02.47 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 03:04.22 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11930 |
| 03:07.03 | Cairenn | man oh man, 7-2 is *not* what a hockey score should look like ... ouch! |
| 03:07.49 | Cairenn | Pittsburgh should have just stayed home ... what a spanking! |
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| 03:08.08 | pagefault | pfft pittsburg is a bunch of punks |
| 03:08.31 | Cairenn | well, the Sens just sent them to their rooms without supper, that's for sure |
| 03:11.04 | Osagasu | I just got disconnected in the middle of a ZF run. >< |
| 03:11.09 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 03:17.10 | Cairenn | you never did say which team you support, pf ... make me laughs, I suppose, right? |
| 03:18.47 | pagefault | guess |
| 03:19.06 | Cairenn | I did |
| 03:19.13 | Cairenn | TO Makeme Laughs |
| 03:23.23 | Tain | Go local sports team! |
| 03:23.27 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:23.52 | Cairenn | Hockey pwns u :p |
| 03:23.53 | Guillotine | to Avs! |
| 03:23.55 | Guillotine | go* |
| 03:24.09 | Guillotine | Avs aren't doing great this year, but not too badly either |
| 03:26.00 | Tain | I rooted for the Avs for a year |
| 03:26.15 | Guillotine | I root for them every year :D no idea why though. never lived outside of california |
| 03:26.37 | Guillotine | Tain: let me guess. the year after they won the stanley cup? |
| 03:27.30 | Tain | No, the year they did win. I was rooting for Borque. |
| 03:28.11 | Ktron | what's the lua for defining a new function? newfunc = function(stuff,morestuff) code code code end ? |
| 03:28.18 | Tem|ZG | how do you diplomatically tell someone you aren't going to make an addon for them because you really don't think it would be useful and aren't willing to spend the effort to create something that you see as a waste of enegery |
| 03:28.43 | Tain | that's pretty much it, Ktron |
| 03:30.18 | Guillotine | Tem: say you're not too good at whatever it is their asking and suggest someone else they should bug about it |
| 03:30.34 | Guillotine | Tem: just wondering, what is the adddon they want? |
| 03:30.52 | Tem|ZG | they want something to give classes instructions based on the zone |
| 03:31.35 | Guillotine | tell them 'lern2macro' |
| 03:32.00 | Guillotine | they're probably using class channels anyway |
| 03:32.38 | Tem|ZG | yeah but I'm bad at being rude |
| 03:32.49 | Guillotine | lol |
| 03:33.08 | Tem|ZG | real bad |
| 03:33.23 | Guillotine | then something like "That's a great idea, but I think it would just use too much memory to be useful. Instead, try making a macro to send the messages to class custom channels" |
| 03:34.27 | Guillotine | see, I can be polite too :D |
| 03:40.30 | Tem|ZG | I /hate/ the spider pulls |
| 03:40.39 | Tem|ZG | I've died every pull |
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| 03:56.53 | Ktron | I apologize... [Luke, It Is Your Destiny] is floating around Eredar/Orgrimmar atm |
| 03:57.14 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 03:58.22 | Cairenn | I will be so glad when those go away in 1.10 |
| 03:59.11 | Ktron | lol |
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| 04:07.36 | Kaelten | hello everyone |
| 04:07.44 | Cairenn | hey Kaelten |
| 04:07.49 | Tain | Hey Kael |
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| 04:11.56 | Kaelten | Iriel, you around? |
| 04:12.59 | Iriel | I am |
| 04:15.57 | Kaelten | you have time to talk about those buckets? |
| 04:17.17 | Iriel | heh, sure |
| 04:22.40 | Kaelten | cool |
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| 04:25.09 | Cairenn | yo, any of the Cosmos admins awake? you've got a major asshole in channel |
| 04:25.47 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:25.49 | Kaelten | none of mine I hope? |
| 04:26.01 | Cairenn | nope |
| 04:26.37 | Cairenn | if one of the Ace folks were being an asshole, I'd say so to their faces, since everyone in channel knows me, but I don't feel it's my place to do so in the Cosmos channel |
| 04:27.05 | Cairenn | as it is, I already told him he was rude |
| 04:27.13 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 04:27.16 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/subpage.html |
| 04:27.19 | Iriel | How horrible is that? |
| 04:28.23 | Cairenn | not particularly |
| 04:28.30 | Ktron | not too bad... I like sidebars, but that's pretty clean-- looks amateur/professional :) |
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| 04:30.40 | Iriel | I feel like i've stolen the breadcrumbs from someone else but can't think of who |
| 04:30.51 | Iriel | Not that that's particularly original |
| 04:30.51 | fatbrain | Iriel: how did the logo turn out? |
| 04:30.58 | fatbrain | Iriel: or rather, did you finish it yet? |
| 04:31.18 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/ |
| 04:31.21 | Iriel | I went with that one |
| 04:31.37 | fatbrain | nice |
| 04:32.11 | fatbrain | (comment, not that you asked for it, but the dot over the I *should* be plain-greenish, without any effects) |
| 04:32.35 | Iriel | I didn't like how those looked |
| 04:32.38 | Iriel | I tried a few variations |
| 04:32.41 | Iriel | they looked odd. |
| 04:32.53 | fatbrain | Iriel: You sure you didn't stair at it for too long? |
| 04:34.14 | fatbrain | stare* |
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| 04:36.33 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 04:36.53 | Cairenn | np, Gryphen took care of it :) |
| 04:37.07 | Cairenn | s/np/nm/ |
| 04:37.36 | AnduinLothar | mmk. I was in another world. |
| 04:37.46 | Cairenn | no worries |
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| 04:43.38 | zeetg | http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006 |
| 04:45.53 | Cairenn | "a three hour tour, a three hour tour" |
| 04:48.31 | Tain | The weather started getting rough. |
| 04:49.25 | Tem|ZG | Is this the real life? |
| 04:49.30 | Tem|ZG | Is this just fantasy? |
| 04:49.42 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/subpage.html |
| 04:49.46 | Iriel | How aboiut that? |
| 04:49.59 | Tem|ZG | Iriel, I like the link coloring better |
| 04:50.04 | Tem|ZG | I didn't like the pinkish purple |
| 04:50.24 | Tain | Sometimes a fantasy is all you need. |
| 04:51.18 | Iriel | If you're using firefox/mozilla you should be able to flip styles |
| 04:51.56 | Tem|ZG | Flip styles? |
| 04:52.16 | Iriel | View -> Page Style |
| 04:53.03 | Tem|ZG | oh that's cool |
| 04:53.08 | Tem|ZG | I didn't know about that |
| 04:54.05 | Iriel | There doesn't seem to be any way to make it 'stick' tho |
| 04:56.07 | Tem|ZG | that stinks |
| 04:56.33 | Tem|ZG | should make a page element that lets you pick your style |
| 04:56.41 | Tem|ZG | could use a cookie to save it |
| 04:56.54 | Iriel | Aha, looks like I can use javascript for that |
| 04:57.12 | Tem|ZG | js ftw |
| 04:57.47 | Tem|ZG | though I'm like whoever said it before, It looks like it's lacking something without a menu bar somewhere |
| 04:58.02 | Tem|ZG | my eye is to the point where it expects one on the left |
| 04:58.44 | zeetg | contrasting colors worse than wowguru :P |
| 04:58.53 | zeetg | looks bad on my laptop |
| 05:04.43 | Iriel | Javascript found and installed |
| 05:05.42 | Iriel | ... but now it doesn't work in ie |
| 05:07.05 | Iriel | Ah, there we go |
| 05:15.21 | MentalPower | good night folks |
| 05:15.26 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 05:15.28 | MentalPower | night Cairenn |
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| 05:17.56 | Tain | Stupid child-proof caps. |
| 05:19.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:28.28 | Cairenn | good idea: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4557 |
| 05:30.10 | AnduinLothar | yes it is |
| 05:30.51 | Cairenn | that would seriously suck (the example he gave) |
| 05:30.59 | AnduinLothar | def |
| 05:59.00 | Wob | Cairenn, I was thinking of putting MrPlow onto WoWInterface, but it doesn't really have a screenshot... |
| 05:59.48 | Cairenn | borrow Iriel's, I'm sure he won't mind: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4447 |
| 06:00.06 | Iriel | I dont mind at all, that's what it's there for |
| 06:00.26 | Wob | hehe cool =) |
| 06:00.58 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:01.17 | Cairenn | I know it's a pain in the butt for mods that don't really have anything graphical to show |
| 06:02.01 | Cairenn | but just remember how annoying it is every time you "look at" a mod and go "gee, I wish I could see what it looks like before I bother to download and install it .... " |
| 06:03.05 | Cairenn | that's always been a huge pet peeve of mine - I want to know how this is going to look *before* I download it |
| 06:03.17 | Cairenn | so I don't waste my time |
| 06:11.56 | Wob | There we go... |
| 06:12.02 | Wob | uploaded pending approval =) |
| 06:12.15 | Wob | hm... There didn't seem a spot for listing dependancies? |
| 06:12.25 | Wob | Or is that just added into the description? |
| 06:14.59 | Cairenn | there isn't a specific spot atm, just put it in your description |
| 06:15.02 | Cairenn | approved, btw |
| 06:15.14 | Wob | Great =) |
| 06:15.17 | Wob | Thank you |
| 06:15.20 | Cairenn | I keep forgetting to mention that request to Dolby |
| 06:15.39 | Wob | Could I get in the process to add that addon to the Ace listing? |
| 06:15.49 | Cairenn | Kaelten ? |
| 06:16.44 | Kaelten | sorry whats up |
| 06:16.53 | Cairenn | read 2 sentences up |
| 06:17.52 | Wob | The Ace listing in WowInterface |
| 06:18.03 | Cairenn | nothing like putting you on the spot nice and public, hey? |
| 06:18.21 | Cairenn | you can thank me later |
| 06:18.49 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 06:18.49 | Wob | hehe |
| 06:18.53 | Kaelten | thanks cair..... |
| 06:18.57 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:18.59 | AnduinLothar | anyone got any reletively simple MobileFrames suggestions while I'm editting it? |
| 06:20.48 | zespri|log | MF |
| 06:21.00 | zespri|log | how about making the banner window movable |
| 06:21.12 | zespri|log | I read some requests on the forums |
| 06:21.50 | Cairenn | lol zespri |
| 06:21.54 | Kaelten | trying to private message Wob, not sure if freenode is letting him respond. |
| 06:22.05 | Cairenn | Wob, are you registered? |
| 06:22.11 | AnduinLothar | already done zes |
| 06:22.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.38 | zespri | Cool, Anduin, thanks |
| 06:24.44 | Wob | ahm, no not registered |
| 06:24.56 | Cairenn | you need to be, in order to PM |
| 06:25.33 | Kaelten | what is it /ns register <password> |
| 06:25.36 | Kaelten | or something like that? |
| 06:25.41 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.14 | Wobster | sob. so many nicks already registerd =P |
| 06:27.00 | Cairenn | omg |
| 06:27.07 | WobinDWonderdog | Woohoo |
| 06:27.19 | Cairenn | o.m.g. |
| 06:27.41 | WobinDWonderdog | wotwot |
| 06:27.49 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.50 | AnduinLothar | kick |
| 06:28.06 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 06:28.31 | Wob | rofl |
| 06:28.42 | Wob | I just leveled two levels from doing the lunar festival quest =) |
| 06:28.49 | Kaelten | heh |
| 06:28.56 | Wob | That's brilliant =) I'm now level 7 |
| 06:30.35 | Wob | okay, registered |
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| 06:33.06 | Wob | bah |
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| 07:03.18 | Kaelten | later guys I'm off to bed |
| 07:03.27 | Cairenn | night Kaelten, sweet dreams |
| 07:04.12 | WobinDWonderdog | Oh wow. it's been so long since I've used irc... |
| 07:06.37 | WobinDWonderdog | I forgot about /amsg =) |
| 07:06.42 | Cairenn | even scarier is how fast it all comes back |
| 07:19.33 | Cairenn | *sigh* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=313544&p=1&tmp=1#post313544 |
| 07:20.09 | Tem|ZG | Iriel, you should add a favicon |
| 07:21.35 | Tem | well that was a waste of 7 hours |
| 07:22.53 | Tem | Cairenn, you have that legal link? |
| 07:25.45 | Tem | Tem |
| 07:25.52 | Tem | er |
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| 07:35.22 | Cairenn | I responded |
| 07:39.32 | WobinDWonderdog | Anyone know anything about the 'Sithilus Letters'? |
| 07:41.11 | AnduinLothar | arg... optional dependancies are so much work.. |
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| 07:50.28 | WobinDWonderdog | Cair, is there any way to get mail notifications for comments on addons? |
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| 07:52.52 | Cairenn | Depends on where the comments are put. If they are on the download themselves, no, I don't believe so. If they are on your support thread in the forums, then yes, you can watch the thread and get notification of any responses on it. |
| 07:53.18 | WobinDWonderdog | Hrightio then |
| 07:54.00 | WobinDWonderdog | I hope that doesn't artifically inflate the 'views' =P |
| 07:58.30 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 08:04.45 | sarf|stuff | Night Cairenn! |
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| 10:36.50 | Kolth | Anyone using NurfedUI? |
| 10:37.57 | fatbrain | Can't say that I do. |
| 10:38.48 | Elkano | only a modod nurfedHUD |
| 10:39.53 | Elkano | btw: so uped one of my addons to a korean page: http://wow.somegate.com/topic.php?topic_uid=39575 / I wondered what thy were writing so I used googel: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwow.somegate.com%2Ftopic.php%3Ftopic_uid%3D39575&langpair=ko%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF8 ... doesn't help that much :/ |
| 10:46.19 | krka|work | heh, yeah, fun to find my stuff on korean sites and not understand any of it |
| 10:48.04 | Elkano | cool so did a korean localized version of my ItemDB :) |
| 10:49.26 | id` | localisation sucks |
| 10:49.37 | id` | and time sucks too |
| 10:50.00 | id` | what if the time was the same everywhere |
| 10:50.09 | id` | and everyone stood up and went to bed at the same time |
| 10:50.23 | id` | sure, light and dark.. but who cares about that |
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| 10:50.53 | id` | hi moon |
| 10:50.59 | id` | fix your connection |
| 10:51.02 | Elkano | hmm... how about living in a Dyson sphere? |
| 10:51.02 | id` | get xs4all |
| 10:51.03 | id` | :P |
| 10:51.08 | Suntiger | yeah i should fix it |
| 10:51.14 | Suntiger | i blame mmy new router |
| 10:51.59 | id` | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere |
| 10:53.14 | Suntiger | interesting idea |
| 10:53.20 | id` | Elkano: eh, what does that have to do with what i said? |
| 10:54.16 | Elkano | well it would remove the need for different time zones |
| 10:54.44 | id` | because, it bloxks the sun? |
| 10:54.56 | id` | then i'd die |
| 10:54.57 | id` | :p |
| 10:56.00 | Elkano | you live on the inner side of the sphere... and since your place will be always turned towards the sunn there won't be night anymore. |
| 10:56.21 | Elkano | s/sunn/sun |
| 10:57.51 | Elkano | oh, cool :) http://wow.somegate.com/upload/clarscent_1138378592_itemdb.jpg |
| 10:58.33 | id` | Currently, the standard time interval (called conventional second, or simply second) is defined as 9 192 631 770 oscillations of a hyperfine transition in the 133Cs atom. |
| 10:58.38 | id` | o_O |
| 11:02.17 | krka|work | yes? |
| 11:10.26 | Elkano | ok, let's chack what systran thinks they are saying ;) |
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| 12:14.05 | wereHamster | hi folks |
| 12:15.07 | Kalroth | ono, a werehamster |
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| 12:20.11 | wereHamster | in-game I'm Shag, wereHamster is just my IRC nick ... I find both names quite funny :) |
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| 12:28.39 | Stylpe | You mean they allow Shag as a character name? |
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| 12:34.29 | Shouryuu | rrawr |
| 12:34.31 | Shouryuu | holidayyyssss |
| 12:34.33 | Shouryuu | wooohoooo!!! |
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| 12:38.37 | sarf|stuff | What holy day? |
| 12:40.53 | Cide | priest holy buff day |
| 12:40.55 | Shouryuu | *I* am on holidyas |
| 12:40.56 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 12:43.13 | Shouryuu | my internet connection's a bitch |
| 12:43.21 | Shouryuu | I just couldnt connect yesterday |
| 12:43.25 | Shouryuu | and it's realll slow today |
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| 12:58.48 | Shouryuu | does this look like a function scroll down/up function? http://pastebin.com/536839 |
| 13:04.47 | wereHamster | Stylpe, it's a german realm, so the GMs don't know what my name means :) |
| 13:06.20 | wereHamster | Shouryuu, "if ScrollFrameNumber == MaxScrollFrameNumber then ScrollFrameNumber = MaxScrollFrameNumber;" doesn't make sense oO |
| 13:09.17 | Elkano | you're playing on a German realm? cool, so I'm not the only one in this channel :) |
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| 13:10.01 | wereHamster | Arthas.. :) |
| 13:10.25 | wereHamster | Alliance.. guild is named 'FauleSTudis' |
| 13:10.58 | Elkano | Gorgonash and Terrordar mainly and maybe Forscherliga a bit mor actively soon |
| 13:16.55 | krka|work | wereHamster, maybe the author didn't know about ~= |
| 13:17.07 | krka|work | so he wrote the == and added some silly statement |
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| 13:21.54 | Shouryuu | man My internet is pissing me off |
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| 13:31.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmm, anyone who likes to judge database performance around? |
| 13:35.15 | Verlaine | anyone here know an anime called Jin Roh? |
| 13:35.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, I've heard of it. Rather violent and disturbing. Why? |
| 13:36.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | It's from the makers of Akira, which was also violent and disturbing ;) |
| 13:36.54 | Verlaine | Because it's violent and disturbing |
| 13:36.58 | Verlaine | and I loved it :P |
| 13:37.39 | Verlaine | you sure it's from the makers or Akira? |
| 13:38.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | That's what I heard, but don't quote me on that. |
| 13:39.17 | Verlaine | Jin roh is mamuro oshii |
| 13:39.33 | Verlaine | apparently akira seems to be Katsuhiro Ôtomo |
| 13:39.54 | Verlaine | but maybe some of the animators workd on jin roh, or scriptwritters :p |
| 13:46.19 | Stylpe | Ooh, wereHamster, you're german? Would you mind trying out KeepItCool, and see if you like the german translation that someone made for me? =) |
| 13:46.37 | Stylpe | You can find it on all the UI mod sites |
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| 14:17.16 | krka|work | at this point, can we take a textureobject and apply it to a generic frame? |
| 14:17.26 | krka|work | or is that 1.10 only? |
| 14:21.38 | Beladona | are both already created? |
| 14:22.46 | krka|work | yes |
| 14:24.18 | Beladona | should work as long as both the frame and the texture already exist, and you are just changing the texture |
| 14:24.34 | Beladona | the ability to create a new texture object underneath the frame isn't until 1.10 though |
| 14:24.47 | krka|work | so... we could currently just have xml-files with a buffer of frames and textures |
| 14:24.53 | krka|work | and then use them dynamically |
| 14:24.54 | Beladona | sure |
| 14:25.10 | krka|work | then the 1.10 change doesn't _really_ seem necessary |
| 14:25.24 | krka|work | as long as we know the upper limit of frames |
| 14:25.28 | Beladona | it just wouldn't be as efficient as say after we can do dynamic frame creation |
| 14:25.34 | krka|work | will be more efficient in 1.10 though |
| 14:25.43 | Beladona | exactly |
| 14:25.54 | krka|work | hmm... no wait, you misread me |
| 14:26.02 | krka|work | i was wondering if you could move textures between frames |
| 14:26.12 | Beladona | I believe most of those features they are adding are efficiency, more than "wow" features |
| 14:26.17 | krka|work | like texture:SetParent(frame) |
| 14:26.26 | Beladona | oh |
| 14:26.37 | Beladona | thats why I was asking |
| 14:27.11 | Beladona | SetParent' doesn't work on texture objects now |
| 14:27.23 | krka|work | hm ok |
| 14:31.50 | id` | why cant we delete frames? |
| 14:31.53 | id` | in 1.10 |
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| 14:32.03 | id` | only hide the,m, right? |
| 14:32.27 | id` | If we could make AND delete frames, real OO would start taking form in addons |
| 14:32.36 | krka|work | you can still do OO |
| 14:32.50 | krka|work | and we can create our own create / delete-mechanism |
| 14:33.04 | Beladona | it isn't true delete |
| 14:33.13 | Beladona | since the frames will always exist upon creation |
| 14:33.19 | id` | i mean oo as in handling objects that do things. 'bars' for example |
| 14:33.28 | Beladona | and any pointers to the frame as well |
| 14:33.39 | krka|work | no, not true delete but close enough |
| 14:33.58 | krka|work | how does deleting stuff help with OO? |
| 14:34.07 | Beladona | it doesn't |
| 14:34.08 | id` | much like idiots making queries in loops |
| 14:34.12 | id` | with SQL |
| 14:34.14 | id` | *shudder* |
| 14:34.25 | Beladona | it just makes it more efficient |
| 14:34.52 | Beladona | I can see the reasons for not allowing deletion though |
| 14:34.59 | id` | why |
| 14:35.03 | Beladona | from a backend C++ standpoint |
| 14:35.32 | krka|work | would be problematic if stuff still referenced the frame |
| 14:35.44 | Beladona | aye |
| 14:35.50 | krka|work | and garbage collection is tricky when it's referenced from outside lua scope |
| 14:36.02 | Beladona | it would require some serious code itemization, to allow all referneces to be removed or repointed |
| 14:36.03 | krka|work | my guess anyway |
| 14:36.12 | Beladona | and that is rarely ever foolproof |
| 14:36.21 | krka|work | and it's not like deleting frames is really that useful |
| 14:36.40 | Beladona | what we need is a default "emptying" function |
| 14:36.48 | Beladona | that strips a frame to nothing |
| 14:36.54 | krka|work | hm, true |
| 14:37.15 | Beladona | since that is about as closse to delete as we can get |
| 14:37.23 | krka|work | or if blizzard implemented a "lua-delete" |
| 14:37.29 | Beladona | and most people still don't understand how to do it right |
| 14:37.30 | krka|work | like the one i was thinking about making |
| 14:37.36 | krka|work | then there would only be one centralized delete |
| 14:37.42 | krka|work | instead of all addons making their own |
| 14:37.43 | Beladona | aye |
| 14:38.04 | Beladona | there are still problems with that though |
| 14:38.09 | krka|work | yes, it can be abused |
| 14:38.17 | krka|work | delete a frame but keep a reference |
| 14:38.19 | Beladona | a) if you have another frame that references the frame you deleted |
| 14:38.23 | krka|work | then you can mess with other addons frames |
| 14:38.31 | Beladona | how does the delete function know to dereference it |
| 14:38.42 | krka|work | it doesn't, it has to trust the user |
| 14:38.52 | Beladona | aye, the user would STILL have to do that part manually |
| 14:39.00 | krka|work | which isn't too big of an issue... who writes destructive lua intentionally? |
| 14:39.08 | id` | HAH |
| 14:39.08 | Beladona | no one |
| 14:39.13 | krka|work | you can already write code that does bad things |
| 14:39.14 | Beladona | that doesn't stop people though does it? |
| 14:39.29 | id` | not intentionally, but i can name some garbage that will never take place in my memory |
| 14:39.37 | krka|work | people notices some addon creating problems -> people stop using it or complains |
| 14:39.46 | Beladona | the fact that you can name them, means they are in your memory |
| 14:39.51 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 14:39.56 | id` | my computer memory |
| 14:39.59 | Beladona | I know |
| 14:40.00 | krka|work | yes, i avoid lots of badly coded addons aswell |
| 14:40.04 | Beladona | just messing with ya |
| 14:40.10 | id` | Beladona: im not a robot >_< |
| 14:40.14 | id` | ;D |
| 14:40.19 | krka|work | can anyone make a post to slouken on the forum about this perhaps? |
| 14:40.22 | Beladona | I have been acused of being part computer |
| 14:40.33 | krka|work | hmm... can't find the functionality me and legorol hacked together |
| 14:40.33 | id` | krka|work: i am trying to rewrite everytinh i fins useful in a better way |
| 14:40.44 | id` | krka|work: idChat, idMinimap, idAutoattack etc |
| 14:40.49 | krka|work | do old pastebin thingies get deleted? |
| 14:40.54 | id` | yes |
| 14:41.01 | krka|work | i could check my logs when i get home and hope for the best i guess |
| 14:41.06 | Beladona | the best thing to do would be to provide an example, via a code function you have created to do that |
| 14:41.13 | krka|work | damn it, i need better ways to store my code than pastebin :) |
| 14:41.14 | id` | mail yourself |
| 14:41.18 | id` | lol |
| 14:41.31 | Beladona | but they may turn it down anyway, since it would serve a limited purpose |
| 14:41.32 | krka|work | yeah, i had one of those but forgot where it was |
| 14:41.51 | krka|work | true |
| 14:41.57 | Beladona | worth a try though |
| 14:42.20 | Beladona | I know people have asked for a way to delete frames, but has ANYONE mentioned frame stripping? |
| 14:42.22 | krka|work | would just be a matter of them copying the code, looking at it, and adding it their default Lua code |
| 14:42.30 | krka|work | don't think so |
| 14:42.46 | Beladona | I mean, as simple as Frame:Deprecate(); |
| 14:42.48 | krka|work | should be possible to do manually though |
| 14:42.50 | Beladona | or something like that |
| 14:43.06 | Beladona | or Frame:Defecate(); |
| 14:43.11 | Beladona | haha couldn't resist |
| 14:43.11 | krka|work | Frame:SetParent(nil) Frame:ClearAllPoints()... etc |
| 14:43.22 | krka|work | Frame:Defenestrate() |
| 14:43.44 | Beladona | more than that krka |
| 14:44.03 | Beladona | clear the parnet, the points, and empty all On* Scripts |
| 14:44.39 | Beladona | and hell, after 1.10 you can serialize a list of textures and children, and dereference them too |
| 14:44.48 | krka|work | or, leave it to your frame reusage constructor to set appropiate values |
| 14:45.20 | Beladona | he only problem with that is, it would be a destructive means |
| 14:45.35 | Beladona | it would take MORE work to setup the frame again, if you wanted it back |
| 14:46.07 | krka|work | not sure i follow |
| 14:46.11 | Beladona | should be as easy as doing an if exists check, and either create the frame, or use it if it is there already. Then you can create the children |
| 14:46.23 | Beladona | talking about dynamic frame creation |
| 14:46.25 | krka|work | also, we need to do it manually, since blizzard don't know where to put the children! |
| 14:46.32 | krka|work | won't someone think of the children! |
| 14:46.37 | Beladona | haha |
| 14:46.56 | krka|work | but you're right, better to do it at removal |
| 14:47.02 | krka|work | recursively remove children too |
| 14:47.10 | Beladona | it WOULD make code simpler |
| 14:47.14 | krka|work | yes |
| 14:47.27 | Beladona | a single function to strip it, and then a single function to recreate/create it |
| 14:47.34 | krka|work | yup |
| 14:47.50 | krka|work | can be done manually without any new functions i think |
| 14:48.04 | Beladona | well the creation function would be addon specific obviously |
| 14:48.12 | Beladona | but the strip function has no reason not to be global |
| 14:48.18 | krka|work | we really need to write a complete frame-library for stuff like this |
| 14:48.37 | Beladona | I typically write libraries for my own addons |
| 14:48.38 | krka|work | yes, creation is addon specific, but the frame-retrieval is global |
| 14:48.42 | Beladona | so I am sure it will be in there |
| 14:48.53 | krka|work | frame-retrieval: reuse old or create new |
| 14:48.58 | Beladona | right |
| 14:49.11 | krka|work | i typically do that too |
| 14:49.34 | Beladona | if the frame doesn't exist, create it. If it does exist and is empty, fill it, otherwise leave it alone |
| 14:49.56 | krka|work | fill it? that's up to the addon |
| 14:50.04 | Beladona | I know |
| 14:50.11 | Beladona | I was talking about a single addon function |
| 14:50.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Libraries are why I love Ace's ace:RegisterFunctions...it allows you to easily update and centralize library functions |
| 14:50.32 | Beladona | thats the thing |
| 14:51.01 | Beladona | I don't believe in multi-addon libraries outside of my own addons |
| 14:51.09 | krka|work | huh? |
| 14:51.12 | Beladona | those tend to include functions I will never use |
| 14:51.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Instead of having 10 different functions which do the same thing, you have 1 (unless you update your version) |
| 14:51.29 | Beladona | so I create small libraries for my addons, insterad of using a single giant global library |
| 14:51.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah |
| 14:51.47 | krka|work | well, that would only mean some more memory is used to store the functions |
| 14:51.49 | krka|work | not that bad really |
| 14:51.57 | Beladona | no, but I am anal like that |
| 14:52.02 | Beladona | =P |
| 14:52.05 | krka|work | but i agree that many small libraries is often preferred to one big |
| 14:52.10 | Beladona | there are other things too |
| 14:52.16 | Beladona | like I trust myself to make my library work |
| 14:52.19 | Beladona | but not someone else |
| 14:52.27 | krka|work | yeah, same here :/ |
| 14:53.00 | Beladona | if someone comes to me and tells me something stopped working in my addon, and it turns out to be because ace changed something, then that means I have to play catchup with ace |
| 14:53.11 | Beladona | playing catchup with Blizzard is more than enough for me |
| 14:53.12 | krka|work | i'm kinda happy with MapLibrary though... it does one thing and somewhat well |
| 14:53.22 | krka|work | too bad other addons don't tend to use it |
| 14:53.29 | krka|work | sucks when there are conflicts |
| 14:53.30 | Beladona | now on the other hand |
| 14:53.39 | Beladona | there are a LOT of people that can't write libraries to save their life |
| 14:53.44 | Beladona | ace is perfect for them |
| 14:53.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, ace:RegisterFunctions and ace:RegisterGlobals are like embedding the library's functions inside your project, except there is only 1 instance of it in memory |
| 14:54.04 | krka|work | but to be fair, ace does seem to place a lot of importance on backwards compatibility |
| 14:54.14 | Beladona | they do a good job |
| 14:54.17 | Beladona | but it only takes once |
| 14:54.51 | Beladona | I would use ace before I would use anything else, unless I wrote it - lets put it that way |
| 14:55.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: The actual updates to Ace itself are coming far and few inbetween...Ace 1.3 was just released about about 6 months of development, and it's 100% backwards compatible for 99% of the addons out there |
| 14:55.18 | krka|work | example of map problems that could be solved with maplibrary: Speedometer changes map zoom to world map to calculate the speed, metamap changes to current map zone.... conflick! |
| 14:55.22 | Beladona | I know Gen |
| 14:55.26 | krka|work | maplibrary changes as rarely as possible |
| 14:55.26 | Beladona | its not a complaint on them |
| 14:55.31 | Beladona | or their track history |
| 14:55.37 | Beladona | its just my personal coding principle |
| 14:56.02 | Beladona | I think you will find other people are the same way |
| 14:56.07 | Beladona | I can name at least one |
| 14:56.10 | Beladona | Iriel |
| 14:56.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | I know, I suppose it's a matter of abandoning all the functions you made for yourself over the year/months and having to teach yourself a different coding style. |
| 14:56.42 | Beladona | nah, actually ace codes similar to how I do |
| 14:57.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, but you wouldn't have the chance to optimize ALL of your code, unless you start optimizing Ace itself. |
| 14:57.20 | Beladona | I just see it as, renting a semi, to haul a wagon |
| 14:57.52 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 14:57.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | You'll have to excuse my confusion, I'm not very good with truck euphemisms =/ |
| 14:58.04 | Beladona | a good coder can optimize his code as well as ace could |
| 14:58.17 | krka|work | oh it was a car-thing? i was guessing something with sex |
| 14:58.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | No no, I mean with an Ace project you couldn't optimize the parts Ace handles without optimizing Ace itself. |
| 14:58.40 | Beladona | a semi, as in a large truck that hauls semi trailers? |
| 14:58.50 | Beladona | and a wagon, like you pulled around as a kid |
| 14:58.57 | krka|work | i have to read and understand how library code works before i decide to use it |
| 14:59.04 | krka|work | often i get disappointed and have to rewrite it |
| 14:59.22 | Beladona | there you go krka |
| 14:59.30 | krka|work | almost no one seems to use lazy evaluation |
| 14:59.37 | Beladona | if I started using ace extensively, I would probably have to join their team |
| 14:59.46 | Beladona | because I can't leave things alone |
| 14:59.50 | Beladona | =P |
| 14:59.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right, that's what I was talking about before. |
| 15:00.01 | krka|work | that said, i still have ace because Minigroup2 is so damn pretty :) |
| 15:00.14 | Beladona | but then my ui is very simplistic |
| 15:00.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kaelten would be happy to have you Beladona, he's putting overtime on Ace =/ |
| 15:00.38 | krka|work | isn't ace pretty much a done deal though? |
| 15:00.40 | Beladona | I barely have enough time to work on my next big addon |
| 15:00.48 | krka|work | what else does it need to handle? |
| 15:00.56 | Beladona | done deal? |
| 15:01.02 | Beladona | its in constant development |
| 15:01.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Just further optimizations, krka|work |
| 15:01.10 | Beladona | I know the hooking library goes through numerous revisions |
| 15:01.17 | krka|work | but the main feature set is done? |
| 15:01.24 | Beladona | pretty much |
| 15:01.32 | Beladona | until blizz comes out with new ways to code |
| 15:01.37 | Beladona | like 1.10 |
| 15:01.39 | krka|work | yeah, i looked at the hooking... seemed much more difficult than it needs to be |
| 15:01.47 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I hear Tem is itching to recode AceGUI for 1.10 |
| 15:02.25 | Beladona | I can't wait to see how my themer performs |
| 15:02.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | AceGUI already overly simplifies much of the XML into Lua, with 1.10 it can finally be all Lua... |
| 15:02.42 | krka|work | i think it would always just be better to do a plain hook and never unhook |
| 15:03.11 | Beladona | explain? |
| 15:03.19 | krka|work | i might even start coding GUI stuff with 1.10 |
| 15:03.51 | Beladona | I have never found a need to unhook a hook, but then I don't hook everything in sight either |
| 15:04.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Eh, I've never used a hook, so I can't say how expensive they are |
| 15:04.04 | krka|work | that's what i said :P |
| 15:04.09 | krka|work | they're not at all :P |
| 15:04.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, you'd need to unhook if you want the ability for the addon to be "disabled" |
| 15:04.20 | krka|work | a simple function call is pretty fast |
| 15:04.25 | krka|work | of course, if lots of addons hook the same thing |
| 15:04.31 | krka|work | but that should be extremely rare |
| 15:04.44 | [MoonWolf] | Ace hooks as they are currently implemented are only slightly more expensive then a "normal" hook. |
| 15:04.48 | krka|work | just do a pseudo-unhook like this: |
| 15:05.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | [MoonWolf]: Wait, I thought they were _less_ expensive? What's the benefit of using AceHook over a normal hook? |
| 15:05.19 | Beladona | unhookign should be as easy as doing a FunctionName = OldFunctionName |
| 15:05.38 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/536988 |
| 15:05.43 | [MoonWolf] | acehooks are managed and safe. |
| 15:05.45 | krka|work | no |
| 15:05.48 | krka|work | that wont work Beladona |
| 15:05.56 | Beladona | why |
| 15:05.58 | krka|work | unfortunately I see that in many addons |
| 15:06.00 | krka|work | it's unsafe |
| 15:06.14 | [MoonWolf] | its brakes the hook chain. |
| 15:06.19 | Beladona | true |
| 15:06.19 | [MoonWolf] | breaks* |
| 15:06.20 | krka|work | I can show an example |
| 15:06.22 | Beladona | it someone else hooks it |
| 15:06.44 | krka|work | A hooks O, B hooks O (A), A unhooks O, now B is also unhooked |
| 15:06.53 | Beladona | that is why I never write a full function as a hook |
| 15:07.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Speaking of Ace and breaking the Hook chain, one of MG2's newer releases breaks the "event" chain by nil'ing out "arg1" for UNIT_HEALTH and UNIT_MANA =/ |
| 15:07.07 | krka|work | my pastebin would be a safe way to unhook |
| 15:07.24 | krka|work | breaks the event chain? |
| 15:07.38 | Beladona | example, hook = MyFuncrtion; OldFunction. I can just nil MyFunction and now the hook doesn't do anything with my addon |
| 15:07.53 | krka|work | so if two addons register for the same event, and the first alters arg1, then that transfers to the next addon? |
| 15:08.00 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 15:08.03 | krka|work | whoa |
| 15:08.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes krka|work, "event", "arg1", these are all globals |
| 15:08.11 | krka|work | that's a bug in blizzards code then |
| 15:08.14 | krka|work | imo |
| 15:08.20 | krka|work | they should set those variables before each dispatch |
| 15:08.24 | Beladona | or a bug in user code |
| 15:08.27 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:08.31 | krka|work | anyone want to write a bug report to slouken |
| 15:08.33 | [MoonWolf] | its bad habit to nil it. |
| 15:08.41 | krka|work | no, blizzard should write more stable code than that |
| 15:08.59 | krka|work | then again, they don't really support custom interfaces either |
| 15:09.09 | Beladona | MoonWolf, talking about my hook? |
| 15:09.21 | [MoonWolf] | no the what GenNMX|Thrae said. |
| 15:09.28 | Beladona | oh |
| 15:09.33 | [MoonWolf] | gah my english is bad today. |
| 15:09.47 | krka|work | why would MG2 nil arg1? |
| 15:09.53 | krka|work | i can't see the reason |
| 15:09.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | They might have to do some serious revisions to the API for that krka|work, which I'm guessing since they haven't fixed it yet |
| 15:10.01 | Beladona | its a shameless hack |
| 15:10.08 | Beladona | and a destructive one |
| 15:10.19 | krka|work | yeah, extremely destructive |
| 15:10.24 | krka|work | breaks all other addons that listens on that event |
| 15:10.24 | [MoonWolf] | indeed |
| 15:10.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | krka|work: use of "arg1" instead of "self.arg1" in one of their functions I think |
| 15:10.46 | Beladona | not to mention, Blizzards own code does a little global variable editing, so to disable that ability would force them to change their own code as well |
| 15:10.52 | [MoonWolf] | did you tell them this yet ? |
| 15:11.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Who, ang or slouken? |
| 15:11.11 | [MoonWolf] | ang |
| 15:11.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Not yet, I just found out like an hour ago the bug was back in MG2 when someone reported a problem with VitalWatch |
| 15:11.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | I now have VW give an error if arg1 is nil |
| 15:11.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Since the first time MG2 did this |
| 15:11.59 | krka|work | think i am gonna do some modding to MG2, i want it to indicate which party members have the same target as me |
| 15:12.01 | krka|work | should be easy to code |
| 15:13.15 | Beladona | just on target change, do a scan |
| 15:13.44 | krka|work | yeah know how to do it |
| 15:13.54 | krka|work | just dont know what MG2 code looks like in detail |
| 15:14.05 | krka|work | can't find that arg1 = nil in MG2 btw |
| 15:14.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I'm not sure which version this guy is using |
| 15:14.40 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:14.47 | Beladona | that woulda been the first thing I would ask |
| 15:14.58 | krka|work | 2-40 doesn't use it |
| 15:15.02 | krka|work | unless it's in the raid-thingy |
| 15:16.28 | Beladona | damn I need to finish my wdn upgrade |
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| 15:20.23 | [MoonWolf] | wdn ? |
| 15:21.15 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 15:21.25 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 15:21.36 | [MoonWolf] | i knew that existed but lost the bookmark ages ago. |
| 15:21.43 | [MoonWolf] | *bookmarks again* |
| 15:21.51 | Beladona | =) |
| 15:22.02 | Beladona | ~Beladona |
| 15:22.03 | purl | one of the moderators at WoWI, owner/creator of wdn.wowinterface.com and all around cool guy |
| 15:22.18 | Beladona | ~wdn |
| 15:22.22 | Beladona | hmm |
| 15:23.04 | Beladona | purl, no, Beladona is one of the moderators at wowinterface, and creator of http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 15:23.06 | purl | okay, Beladona |
| 15:23.12 | Beladona | ~Beladona |
| 15:23.14 | purl | from memory, beladona is one of the moderators at wowinterface, and creator of http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 15:25.47 | Shouryuu | has anyone seen Hostage? The shit movie with bruce willies |
| 15:26.49 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
| 15:26.52 | [MoonWolf] | i hate brucy |
| 15:27.10 | Shouryuu | horrible movie |
| 15:27.13 | Shouryuu | really shitty |
| 15:27.16 | Shouryuu | reallllyyy bad |
| 15:27.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Bruce Willis was good in The 5th Element |
| 15:27.28 | Shouryuu | full of pseudo good vs bad symbolism eerrrkkk |
| 15:27.30 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 15:27.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | The Die Hard series is also classic |
| 15:28.01 | Shouryuu | a classic |
| 15:28.02 | [MoonWolf] | i dislike 5th element and hate die hard. |
| 15:28.06 | Shouryuu | but not a great movie |
| 15:28.30 | Beladona | Unbreakable |
| 15:28.36 | Shouryuu | not bad |
| 15:28.41 | Beladona | I liked it |
| 15:28.46 | Beladona | hell I even bought it |
| 15:28.51 | Shouryuu | lacked a bit of "humph" imo |
| 15:28.58 | Beladona | well |
| 15:29.03 | Beladona | it wasn't an action movie |
| 15:29.08 | Beladona | people wnated it to be |
| 15:29.17 | Shouryuu | yeah but by "humph" I mean a bit of intrigue |
| 15:29.31 | Shouryuu | I liked it, but didn't really "catch on" |
| 15:29.33 | Beladona | it had it for me |
| 15:29.40 | Shouryuu | =P |
| 15:30.17 | Beladona | Sixth Sense |
| 15:30.20 | Beladona | was good |
| 15:30.28 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 15:30.33 | Shouryuu | that caught me :P |
| 15:30.42 | Beladona | it caught my wife |
| 15:30.46 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:30.48 | Beladona | I knew he was dead halfway through |
| 15:30.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:31.14 | Shouryuu | We actualy told me he was dead, kinda ruinned the fun, but still a good movie |
| 15:31.15 | Beladona | I told her, didn't you notice that no one else talked to him except the boy? |
| 15:31.29 | Shouryuu | fight club style :P |
| 15:33.20 | Beladona | I used to work at a movie theatre |
| 15:33.33 | Beladona | worked in the projection booth |
| 15:33.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:33.37 | Beladona | so I saw a lot of movies |
| 15:33.44 | [MoonWolf] | you got to see lots of movies lots o time then. |
| 15:33.49 | Beladona | I was there for Titanic |
| 15:33.57 | Beladona | saw that damn thing so much I wanted to claw my eyes out |
| 15:34.00 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 15:34.01 | [MoonWolf] | How good a seat it the booth ? |
| 15:34.20 | Beladona | what do you mean Moon? |
| 15:34.40 | Beladona | we had a speaker at each projector so we could listen to the movie |
| 15:34.50 | Beladona | and I could see the screen perfectly |
| 15:34.56 | [MoonWolf] | thats what i wanted to know. |
| 15:35.21 | Beladona | Titanic was funny |
| 15:35.30 | Beladona | you ALWAYS knew when the boat was sinking |
| 15:35.39 | Beladona | because people suddenyl had to go to the bathroom |
| 15:35.50 | Beladona | you had 20 and 30 people at least coming out all at once |
| 15:35.50 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 15:36.03 | [MoonWolf] | im glad i don't have that. |
| 15:38.13 | Corrodias | why would everyone leave during the most interesting part? |
| 15:38.52 | [MoonWolf] | flowing water sounds and pictures increase blatter pressure |
| 15:39.29 | Corrodias | hm. |
| 15:39.44 | [MoonWolf] | for some people anyway |
| 15:39.47 | Beladona | yeah |
| 15:39.52 | Beladona | its a subliminal thing |
| 15:40.08 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:49.31 | Corrodias | [away] @ class |
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| 16:26.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmm, so I have a large database which contains spell data per unit. Right now I'm doing db[unit .. ":" .. spell] (which is a table of about size 10) because I thought it would be less memory intensive, but then I have the problem of how I determine what spell data a unit has... |
| 16:27.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | It would be easy to do db[unit][spell], but the double-hashing places all kinds of gaps in memory and increases load time |
| 16:29.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | Now that I think about it, I wonder how close together the hashes of db[unit .. ":" .. "foo"] is with db[unit .. ":" .. "bar"]? I might be able to get away with iteration... |
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| 16:54.50 | Shouryuu | rwar |
| 16:58.14 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 16:58.34 | Gryphen | rawr |
| 17:01.47 | MentalPower | *moo* |
| 17:15.30 | wereHamster | who is this purl? |
| 17:17.57 | id` | purl, purl? |
| 17:17.58 | purl | well, purl is not a bot |
| 17:18.16 | id` | purl is kergoth's bot ;) |
| 17:18.22 | MentalPower | purl does nice things for us |
| 17:18.32 | MentalPower | s/things/stuff/ |
| 17:18.59 | wereHamster | purl, how are you doing? |
| 17:18.59 | purl | wereHamster: peachy |
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| 17:25.45 | id` | wereHamster: Moon und Ich sind Nederlandisch. :-) |
| 17:26.05 | id` | sein sind whatever :> |
| 17:26.21 | id` | i dropped german :\ (and french) |
| 17:28.04 | wereHamster | id, 'voulez vous coucher avec moi' is pretty much all I remember from school :)) |
| 17:28.17 | Tain | I dropped German porn. It was gettin too weird for me. |
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| 18:50.55 | sharkhat | haha bwl |
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| 19:00.59 | Beladona | talk about sucky programming |
| 19:01.22 | Beladona | I download a program that supposedly compresses html, and it actually increased the file sizes of all my files |
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| 19:18.33 | Tain | Compression isn't an exact science. ;) |
| 19:23.29 | fatbrain | Anyone with any information about WDB files? |
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| 19:35.21 | wereHamster|BWL | sharkhat, what are you laughing about? |
| 19:38.54 | wereHamster|BWL | we've just had a wipe :( |
| 20:07.05 | id` | my abbreviations work :-) |
| 20:07.13 | fatbrain | ok? |
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| 20:07.34 | Natasem | new patch for FF version 1.5.0.1 http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.0.1.html |
| 20:08.09 | Natasem | more in detail patch notes http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.5.0.1.html |
| 20:09.25 | fatbrain | hm |
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| 20:15.44 | fatbrain | Anyone with any information about WDB files? |
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| 20:48.47 | sharkhat | it is funny wereHamster|bwl that you put where u are in the game in your name.. |
| 20:49.57 | wereHamster|Home | sharkhat, better ? |
| 20:50.21 | sharkhat | lol |
| 20:52.38 | Tain | Just uploaded my customized for performance Titan Panel to WoWI if anyone's interested. |
| 20:52.42 | Tain | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4559 |
| 20:56.56 | AnduinLothar | have my movement fix? |
| 20:58.15 | fatbrain | I'll ask yet again, anyone know anything about the WDB fileformat? |
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| 21:12.32 | wowguru-8328 | hey |
| 21:34.34 | Kirkburn|WoW | Can I just say thank you to whoever coded the WoWI feeds, if only the other sites would do the same ... |
| 21:35.10 | AnduinLothar | feeds? |
| 21:37.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Is there an easy way to see how much physical memory a table is taking up? |
| 21:46.24 | zeeg | Blizzard (ESA on their behalf) sent UnT a DMCA on patches.. |
| 21:46.46 | zeeg | They best not refuse to let anyone host patches except sites like fileplanet |
| 21:48.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | There has been some rumors that some sites have had compromised patches in the past, and Blizzard doesn't want the fallout. |
| 21:48.49 | zeeg | these guys never have |
| 21:48.57 | zeeg | they're a respectable host in fact |
| 21:49.02 | zeeg | hosting many patches and files for many games |
| 21:49.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, Blizzard has always instituted zero-tolerance policies. |
| 21:49.30 | zeeg | they sure dont do a good job enforcing those :) |
| 21:50.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | If the site works with Blizzard for "official authentication", I'm sure they'll be able to host patches again sometime in the future. |
| 21:51.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | You can't kill anything 100% on the Internet, but zero-tolerance policies usually help Blizzard instead of hurt them. |
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| 21:59.44 | Wob | Hehe on WoWI.. I'm a A Kobold Labourer |
| 22:00.01 | Wob | Yay for proper spelling =P |
| 22:02.54 | Wob | I wonder, is there a downloadable version of the lua manual or PiL? |
| 22:03.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wob: Yes, several different downloadable versions of the Lua manual on www.lua.org |
| 22:03.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | LuaIDE even comes with one |
| 22:03.43 | zeeg | what's a "Spinning Cycle" in relation to hotel rooms? |
| 22:04.49 | Wob | oh, Ta Gen =) |
| 22:05.19 | Wob | zeeg: I can't even begin to figure out context, there... |
| 22:05.37 | zeeg | Spinning Cycle And Dvd, In Room Dvd/Cd Player |
| 22:05.55 | zeeg | oh |
| 22:05.59 | zeeg | it might be one of those bicycle things |
| 22:06.05 | Wob | I'm thinking that |
| 22:06.09 | Wob | sort of exercise thing |
| 22:06.56 | fatbrain | I'll ask yet again, anyone know anything about the WDB fileformat? |
| 22:06.59 | Wob | WESTIN WORKOUT ROOMS - WORKOUT IN YOUR ROOM. CONTAINS SPINNING CYCLE OR TREADMILL. |
| 22:07.19 | wereHamster|Home | does anyone know how to send an itemlink using SendChatMessage() ? |
| 22:07.22 | Wob | Sorry fb, not here |
| 22:08.14 | Wob | You're not just sending the |ffetc ItemID:yada:soonsoforth|r? |
| 22:09.10 | wereHamster|Home | I have tried SendChatMessage("|cffffffff|Hitem:3771:0:0:0|h[Wild Hog Shank]|h|r", ...) , but this send the text as-is.. |
| 22:09.15 | Beladona | if you are trying to deconstruct the file, don't bother |
| 22:09.22 | Beladona | I am pretty sure it is in an encrypted format |
| 22:09.29 | wereHamster|Home | and just "item:3771:0:0:0" doesn't work either.. |
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| 22:10.44 | Beladona | anyway, home time! |
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| 22:23.08 | Wob | Sorry were, I really don't know =( |
| 22:25.02 | AnduinLothar | wereHamster|Home> you can't do it from macros |
| 22:25.17 | AnduinLothar | the |'s are parsed |
| 22:25.42 | AnduinLothar | have to use the hex code or do it from an addon |
| 22:25.59 | zeeg | http://www.nibbits.com/?q=ctmod&x=0&y=0 |
| 22:26.01 | zeeg | look ok? |
| 22:26.35 | AnduinLothar | where in the world did u come up with nibbits for a name |
| 22:26.41 | zeeg | dk |
| 22:26.42 | wereHamster|Home | AnduinLothar, too bad :( |
| 22:26.44 | zeeg | i was looking for domains one day |
| 22:26.50 | zeeg | and somehow i placed a wrong letter |
| 22:26.59 | zeeg | its brandable, short, easy to remember, so i bought it |
| 22:27.00 | Wob | In the layout, zeeg? |
| 22:27.04 | zeeg | Wob, ya |
| 22:27.34 | Cairenn | unh, zeeg? |
| 22:27.40 | AnduinLothar | how much did you pay? |
| 22:27.40 | Wob | Maybe make the titles of each hit slightly larger? |
| 22:27.58 | Cairenn | why would a search on CTMod only come up with wowguru and curse gaming, and *not* come up with the CTMod home page? |
| 22:28.09 | Gryphen | domains are cheap anduin |
| 22:28.16 | zeeg | Cairenn, ctmod homepage probably isnt in there |
| 22:28.27 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, 895 for domain |
| 22:28.46 | zeeg | 8.95 |
| 22:28.47 | Gryphen | it was taken zeeg? |
| 22:28.47 | Cairenn | that's my point ... why isn't it? |
| 22:28.49 | Gryphen | oh |
| 22:28.51 | Gryphen | lol |
| 22:29.05 | zeeg | Cairenn, because it only lists certain sites |
| 22:29.34 | Wob | Cause he hasn't put it in yet? |
| 22:29.38 | zeeg | nope nvm ctmod is there |
| 22:29.45 | zeeg | but it only lists one site per match |
| 22:29.48 | zeeg | its not perfect yet |
| 22:29.54 | AnduinLothar | i was sad when i saw karl.net and karl.org taken.. they both want like $400 |
| 22:30.22 | Cairenn | why? if it is a search engine, why would it not come up with the two main places for the mod, that being the ctmod home page, and their download on their hosting site, wowinterface |
| 22:30.38 | zeeg | its hosted at more than two places, but thats not the poilnt |
| 22:30.44 | zeeg | it only shows one match per <item> |
| 22:30.53 | zeeg | and the match isnt controlled right now its whatever is first |
| 22:31.00 | zeeg | otherwise youd be flooded with results of the same thing |
| 22:31.04 | zeeg | as mod sites have a lot of the same content |
| 22:31.21 | Cairenn | thank you, that answer (more or less) gets to the point I was trying to make |
| 22:31.31 | Wob | You'd have to weight the return to favour the original site |
| 22:31.36 | zeeg | ya |
| 22:31.39 | zeeg | but i dont plan on doing that |
| 22:31.45 | zeeg | instead, im going to make it so it shows multiple sources per match |
| 22:31.48 | zeeg | but i dont have it setup for that yet |
| 22:32.01 | Wob | Or a 'Similar Pages' or 'related links'? |
| 22:32.04 | Cairenn | that was all I was trying to figure out |
| 22:32.19 | Gryphen | why dont use use google api? |
| 22:32.22 | zeeg | Wob, something along those lines |
| 22:32.22 | Gryphen | you* |
| 22:32.28 | zeeg | Gryphen, because I want it to be specific |
| 22:32.39 | Gryphen | you can make it specific |
| 22:32.49 | zeeg | specific enough that it wont grab any content that's not specifically a file download? |
| 22:32.52 | zeeg | :) |
| 22:32.58 | zeeg | but anyways |
| 22:33.04 | zeeg | i might be dropping that type of spidering completely |
| 22:33.05 | Gryphen | ok that specific |
| 22:33.08 | zeeg | and just using mmotheatre/mmofiles |
| 22:33.09 | Kirkburn | I can just recommend the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny. It's rather good :) |
| 22:33.12 | zeeg | and search off those |
| 22:33.34 | Wob | Do you have a link? I want to pass it on =) |
| 22:34.05 | Kirkburn | I do |
| 22:34.11 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 22:34.16 | Kirkburn | Oh, you want it? |
| 22:34.42 | Kirkburn | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/ |
| 22:34.46 | zeeg | anyone here in the KC area |
| 22:35.07 | Kirkburn | I have a better link for downloading ... |
| 22:35.42 | Kirkburn | For downloading, rather than viewing: http://www.alldumb.com/content/2006020317255398/21453 |
| 22:36.12 | Kirkburn | In case my comment wasn't seen earlier, I was saying thanks for the RSS feed on the WoWI page |
| 22:36.39 | Kirkburn | As also thanks to the IE devs for finally supporting them. Although I *think* this may be the wrong place for that |
| 22:36.53 | Cairenn | I'll pass that along to Dolby |
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| 22:54.50 | Kirkburn | Does anyone know of any way to increase the size of people's nameplates (above their head)? |
| 22:55.26 | pagefault | MS should really just get out of the browser market |
| 22:56.10 | Kirkburn | And why is that? |
| 22:56.23 | pagefault | IE is disgusting :P |
| 22:56.44 | Kirkburn | You'll get no humour from me. I'm using IE7 and it's wonderful |
| 22:57.44 | pagefault | IE7 is just playing catchup to everyone else while keeping all the security holes in the process |
| 22:58.35 | Kirkburn | I assume this is your informed opinion? Based on sourceable fact? |
| 22:58.47 | pagefault | yes this is my informed opinion |
| 22:58.52 | Kirkburn | I would also assume you've tried IE7 and made your descision upon that? |
| 22:59.17 | Kirkburn | What makes you say it's unsecure? |
| 22:59.31 | Kirkburn | (quite besides the fact it's a beta) |
| 22:59.34 | pagefault | because it still contains a number of bugs from IE6 that were never fixed |
| 22:59.50 | pagefault | and it still is not standards compliant |
| 23:00.05 | Kirkburn | Neither is firefox, or any of them. That's life |
| 23:00.14 | pagefault | firefox is a lot closer than IE is |
| 23:00.20 | Kirkburn | It's not as good as them still, but it's an improvement |
| 23:00.25 | pagefault | IE still doesn't even support CSS 1.0 properluy |
| 23:00.33 | Kirkburn | Firefix was aimed at standard's compliance, IE wasn't |
| 23:00.39 | Kirkburn | Are we talking about IE7 here? |
| 23:00.42 | pagefault | yes we are |
| 23:00.50 | pagefault | the rendering engine in IE7 is almost identical to IE6 |
| 23:00.52 | Kirkburn | Er, it's CSS1 complaint |
| 23:00.59 | Kirkburn | *compliant |
| 23:01.01 | pagefault | the only thing they have changed is the interface pretty much |
| 23:01.11 | Kirkburn | Have you USED it |
| 23:01.15 | pagefault | yes I have |
| 23:01.18 | Wob | hehe I like <Kirkburn> Firefix was aimed at standard's compliance, IE wasn't |
| 23:01.29 | Kirkburn | :p |
| 23:01.40 | Kirkburn | And have you run the tests? |
| 23:01.44 | pagefault | yes |
| 23:01.46 | Wob | MS: We SET the standards! |
| 23:01.51 | pagefault | it fails most of them |
| 23:02.00 | pagefault | same results as IE6 |
| 23:02.02 | Kirkburn | When you say fails? Which? |
| 23:02.12 | Kirkburn | lol, now I know you're lying |
| 23:02.25 | Kirkburn | PNGs work, the acid test is better |
| 23:02.35 | pagefault | acid test is exactly the same |
| 23:02.42 | pagefault | what are you smoking |
| 23:03.01 | Kirkburn | Not true, it's was an almost bare red square now, it's got more info shown now |
| 23:03.01 | fatbrain | IE7 is a joke. |
| 23:03.27 | Kirkburn | I also said 'the acid test is better' I did not say perfect |
| 23:03.48 | Kirkburn | It's not up to firefox yet it is true |
| 23:03.53 | pagefault | MS basically does not know how to make IE secure, that is why they run it as a normal user in vista to get around the problem of it having so many security holes in it |
| 23:04.14 | Kirkburn | More restricted than that |
| 23:04.50 | Kirkburn | And that's your opinion, and quite obviously not true. I really get annoyed with people deciding companies with thousands of members 'not knowing how to do something; |
| 23:04.53 | pagefault | also I like my "firefix" because it doesn't take them 5 months to fix a bug and I don't have to reboot my system to apply an update |
| 23:05.13 | Kirkburn | Have I said firefox is bad in any way? |
| 23:05.19 | Gryphen | your soo l33t |
| 23:05.28 | Gryphen | ms sux, me cool! |
| 23:05.49 | Kirkburn | Sorry, make that hundreds of thousands of employees |
| 23:06.13 | Kirkburn | (firefix was a slip of the tongue, not satire) |
| 23:06.37 | pagefault | it's not like it's news here that MS makes shoddy software |
| 23:06.47 | Kirkburn | I'm not expecting IE7 to surpass firefox in all areas, but there are certain areas where it is already better, imho. Like, tabs. |
| 23:06.51 | Gryphen | that is your opinion |
| 23:06.56 | Gryphen | market share says different |
| 23:07.08 | pagefault | market share hardly means quality |
| 23:07.24 | Kirkburn | In general it does. To a point. |
| 23:07.37 | Gryphen | if it is crap, it doesnt get used |
| 23:07.48 | Kirkburn | However, I fail to see how WindowsXP is shoddy. You're using it, are you not? |
| 23:07.59 | pagefault | I use linux |
| 23:08.04 | Gryphen | of course you do |
| 23:08.07 | Kirkburn | :p |
| 23:08.30 | pagefault | XP is fine for people who are oblivious to how their computer works |
| 23:08.39 | Kirkburn | Aahahahaha |
| 23:08.40 | Cairenn | ... |
| 23:08.43 | Gryphen | lol |
| 23:08.57 | pagefault | "wow I Can use MSN and check e-mail XP rules" |
| 23:09.09 | Gryphen | uhh |
| 23:09.12 | Kirkburn | I should tell silicon valley |
| 23:09.25 | Kirkburn | They've been severly misinformed! |
| 23:09.29 | Gryphen | yeah |
| 23:09.59 | Gryphen | of course pagefault is right, millions are wrong |
| 23:10.07 | Kirkburn | pagefault, i'm not trying to insult you here, but that is a misinformed view of windows |
| 23:10.38 | Kirkburn | It may not have the open source tweakability of linux, but as an os you can do everything an advanced user would need to do |
| 23:10.48 | pagefault | microsoft has a huge market share for the following reasons: a) they force companies to ONLY bundle their OS with their hardware, b) we have been using it so long we have becoming reliant on it, c) it is now socially acceptable to have buggy software because people now thing "that is the way it is" |
| 23:10.58 | Kirkburn | Why did we start using it? |
| 23:11.09 | Kirkburn | Linux doesn't have bugs? |
| 23:11.12 | Wob | There is a large percentage of computer users out there who do not need the flexibility and configurability of Linux/etc |
| 23:11.16 | pagefault | I am not saying linux is perfect either |
| 23:11.22 | Kirkburn | Good :) |
| 23:11.32 | pagefault | but I am saying windows is the greater of the two evils |
| 23:11.32 | Kirkburn | I'm not saying XP is |
| 23:11.48 | Wob | In fact, there is a large percentage of users out there who I would shudder to think about allowing them access to that level of configurability |
| 23:11.55 | pagefault | from a programmer's point of view if you look at how windows operates internally it's a total mess |
| 23:11.56 | Kirkburn | So linux is also shoddy, but to a lesser extent? |
| 23:12.01 | Gryphen | well the bugs escape me |
| 23:12.09 | cladhaire | Why is every friday night a windows versus unix argument? |
| 23:12.10 | Kirkburn | That's due to it needing backwards compatibility |
| 23:12.25 | Kirkburn | Where did this start? |
| 23:12.27 | pagefault | the average user doesn't see all the problems windows has inside, they only see the pretty interface outside, thats what bothers me the most |
| 23:12.31 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah IE |
| 23:12.38 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:12.45 | Gryphen | cause everyone has an opion and KNOWS it is the right view |
| 23:12.48 | Kirkburn | Don't most linux builds look like windows? |
| 23:13.01 | cladhaire | opinions are like assholes.. everyone has one and they all stink. |
| 23:13.16 | Kirkburn | lovely |
| 23:13.21 | cladhaire | lol =) |
| 23:13.29 | Kirkburn | Decided upon whether to risk the wrath of MS yet? |
| 23:13.36 | Kirkburn | (ClearFont, stylee) |
| 23:13.41 | cladhaire | nope |
| 23:13.45 | cladhaire | i mean |
| 23:13.47 | cladhaire | no i wont =) |
| 23:13.51 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 23:13.52 | Wob | I'd say "Windows is good for those users who don't need to know the inner workings, or don't care to know. Linux is good for those who are somewhat more curious about how things work" |
| 23:13.59 | cladhaire | it has nothing to do with MS's wrath.. i could give a shit about them =) |
| 23:14.08 | cladhaire | plus, the numbers are in a sunken style.. that bothers me |
| 23:14.16 | pagefault | i'm not trying to say people who use windows are "noobs or stupid people" if it sounds like that |
| 23:14.21 | Kirkburn | Aww. Can't do anything about it :s |
| 23:14.36 | Wob | PF: A large number of windows users are that, though. |
| 23:14.37 | pagefault | they use it because it works for them, but it has a ton of problems that are really inexcusable from a professional stance |
| 23:14.55 | Wob | FWIW, "it works for me" is a valid standpoint =P |
| 23:14.58 | Kirkburn | cladhaire: Some have mentioned that, it's a pity |
| 23:14.59 | pagefault | if MS made cars they would have so many lawsuits they would be out of business |
| 23:15.08 | Gryphen | what problems |
| 23:15.14 | Wob | Invalid analogy =) |
| 23:15.24 | Gryphen | everyone always says...a ton of problems and bugs and insecurity |
| 23:15.29 | pagefault | no it's perfect, they would put together a car but use cardboard in the engine or something |
| 23:15.32 | Wob | If Linux made cars, only say, 15% of the community could actually get it running =P |
| 23:15.38 | Gryphen | and they find 3-4 things to poke at and call it a ton |
| 23:16.11 | Wob | (Note, statistic pulled out of my "opinion", as Clad might put it =)) |
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| 23:16.20 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:16.26 | Kirkburn | I gotta be off now ... see yas |
| 23:17.00 | Wob | rarar |
| 23:17.07 | pagefault | Gryphen, there are a ton of problems if you look, but I am just saying the average user doesn't notice or pay attention to them |
| 23:17.11 | Wob | I now have Ultimate song stuck in my head =P |
| 23:17.18 | pagefault | so they don't see the problems, and then they get bit in the ass at the last minute |
| 23:18.32 | pagefault | that wmf bug was horrible because everyone was spreading around image files which no one thinks would ever contain anything malicious, but they were running code on their user's computer when they were viewed |
| 23:19.04 | Kirkburn | Look, an image! Must ... spread ... |
| 23:19.18 | pagefault | unfortuneatly a lot of people do that |
| 23:19.21 | pagefault | FUNNY PICTURE |
| 23:19.27 | pagefault | LET ME EMAIL TO ALL MY 3000 CONTACTS |
| 23:19.43 | Kirkburn | those people would never understand linux though |
| 23:19.49 | Gryphen | nothing big like that ever hits linux |
| 23:19.58 | pagefault | i'm not saying they should use linux |
| 23:20.01 | pagefault | when did I ever say that |
| 23:20.23 | pagefault | I said I use linux, but I never once said everyone should use linux |
| 23:20.32 | Wob | Macintosh mebbe? |
| 23:20.35 | Kirkburn | yes, yes okay. Not my point :p |
| 23:20.39 | Wob | There's not that much choice out there |
| 23:20.46 | pagefault | I hate apple |
| 23:20.47 | Gryphen | no but they avoid that when bashing ms |
| 23:20.53 | pagefault | but OS X is the best consumer grade operating system right now |
| 23:21.19 | Kirkburn | You said it was nasty because lots of people spread it. The spreading was due to the *nature* of the os, not *which* os it was |
| 23:21.26 | Wob | but due to Window's market share, it's unfeasible as a business model |
| 23:21.43 | pagefault | market shares change over time |
| 23:21.54 | Wob | I don't see it shifting to Apple any time soon |
| 23:21.58 | Kirkburn | I thought stone tools still had a monopoly? |
| 23:22.10 | pagefault | I think MS is going to lose a lot of market share when vista comes out |
| 23:22.17 | pagefault | the system requirements are too steep |
| 23:22.25 | pagefault | and it's full of DRM which people don't like |
| 23:22.27 | Wob | for vista? |
| 23:22.29 | Kirkburn | 9 months, lots can change :) |
| 23:22.31 | Wob | or MS |
| 23:22.48 | Wob | oh |
| 23:22.52 | Wob | don't mind me |
| 23:22.55 | Wob | I just woke up =P |
| 23:22.58 | Kirkburn | Lots of modern pcs can run it anyway. And MOST copies come with new pcs |
| 23:23.21 | pagefault | yes but do you really want to run an OS that tells you what you can run and when you can run it |
| 23:23.25 | Kirkburn | Thus it won't lose share, unless it really is shoddy :p |
| 23:23.26 | pagefault | that is the future |
| 23:23.37 | Kirkburn | If you say so |
| 23:23.43 | pagefault | DRM |
| 23:23.47 | pagefault | trusted computing |
| 23:24.01 | Kirkburn | People have always precdicted doom, it hardly ever happens |
| 23:24.11 | pagefault | well this is serious because it's not going away |
| 23:24.21 | Wob | DOOM I SAY |
| 23:24.24 | pagefault | you already will need an "approved monitor" to play HD protected content in vista |
| 23:24.26 | Kirkburn | Do you really think all the stuff you have at the moment won't work? |
| 23:24.27 | Wob | REPENT! |
| 23:24.37 | Kirkburn | There it is .... HD protected content |
| 23:24.44 | pagefault | no |
| 23:24.52 | pagefault | but if you want to play anything NEW you will have to worry about it |
| 23:24.54 | pagefault | that is the problem |
| 23:25.01 | pagefault | unless you like living in the past, you will run into it |
| 23:25.21 | wereHamster|Home | pagefault, do you play WoW under linux? |
| 23:25.27 | Kirkburn | The monitor this is a point, but it's more akin to needing the right type of monitor rather than it being approved |
| 23:25.42 | pagefault | Kirkburn, it has nothing to do with type of monitor, current LCDs and CRTS can play it fine |
| 23:25.48 | pagefault | it's just not "secure" enough |
| 23:26.12 | pagefault | they are paranoid people are going to make a copy of it somehow |
| 23:26.17 | Kirkburn | I meant type meaning what hardware it contained :p |
| 23:26.22 | Wob | secure? People are going to CRT tap? |
| 23:26.27 | Kirkburn | i.e. the security chip |
| 23:26.50 | Kirkburn | I'm not pleased with DRM either tho |
| 23:26.53 | pagefault | Wob, they are afraid with DVI people will just record the signal to make 1:1 digital copies of movies and such |
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| 23:26.58 | Kirkburn | But anyway, I said I was going, so I am |
| 23:26.59 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 23:27.04 | Wob | pf: aha |
| 23:27.15 | Kirkburn | rawr! byee |
| 23:27.16 | Wob | pf: Those sneaky buggers |
| 23:27.33 | pagefault | thats why there is HDMI for tvs |
| 23:27.37 | pagefault | same deal |
| 23:28.10 | pagefault | treat all your customers as theives |
| 23:28.34 | Wob | Cause they are =P |
| 23:29.11 | pagefault | anyway I am done ranting this is way off topic, windows sucks, but I have nothing against the people who use it, it's just between me and bill |
| 23:31.05 | AnduinLothar | get a mac |
| 23:31.15 | pagefault | I would if I could built it myself |
| 23:31.22 | pagefault | err build |
| 23:31.45 | Wob | Is there any way I can get an ingame listing of all Itemtypes/subtypes? |
| 23:32.08 | Wob | To avoid having to worry about locality |
| 23:32.12 | pagefault | I don't like the idea of buying a premade PC with really no upgrade path |
| 23:32.36 | AnduinLothar | depends on what u use it for |
| 23:32.52 | Wob | Doorstop? =) |
| 23:32.54 | pagefault | well I want to be able to replace any component if it breaks |
| 23:33.05 | Wob | I remember one of my friends had an old mac as a footwarmer in winter |
| 23:33.13 | AnduinLothar | u still can, it's just not as commonly availible |
| 23:33.14 | pagefault | if I had one of those fancy imacs I would have no idea how to go about fixing that or even getting parts for it |
| 23:33.49 | AnduinLothar | there are retailers that sell replacement parts |
| 23:34.09 | pagefault | how much are they going to gouge me though |
| 23:34.14 | pagefault | it might be cheaper just to get an entire new PC |
| 23:34.27 | AnduinLothar | depends on what breaks and if ur under warentee |
| 23:34.38 | pagefault | I know apple hardware isn't cheap |
| 23:35.00 | AnduinLothar | I've never had anything break on a mac except cheep ram and a harddrive |
| 23:35.22 | AnduinLothar | both replacable |
| 23:35.23 | pagefault | well I have a friend with a powerbook and he's sunk like $1500 into it getting it repaired |
| 23:35.34 | pagefault | and I always ask him why he bothers, just get a new one |
| 23:35.37 | AnduinLothar | laptops are always diff |
| 23:36.24 | Wob | At least IBM are going to replace mine |
| 23:36.34 | Wob | . o O ("Finally...") |
| 23:36.44 | pagefault | I heard leveno is a the spawn of satan |
| 23:36.50 | Wob | I hate trying to get repairs in China =( |
| 23:37.08 | AnduinLothar | laptops are a different realm. you dont build a laptop |
| 23:37.19 | Wob | Lenovo is =( |
| 23:37.24 | AnduinLothar | so don't bother complaining you can't replace parts |
| 23:37.38 | Wob | It took me three months to get this damn thing repaired in China... |
| 23:37.39 | pagefault | i'm just saying if my PC breaks I can walk into basically any PC store and buy the part at a competitive price |
| 23:37.46 | AnduinLothar | mac laptops are just as a pain to repair as pc laptops |
| 23:37.47 | Wob | And I'd only had it for 3 =( |
| 23:38.15 | pagefault | if my G4 or something breaks I have to go by apple's dealer's prices |
| 23:38.19 | pagefault | whatever they may be |
| 23:38.19 | Wob | (That however, is more relevant to location, and not to this current discussion =P) |
| 23:38.47 | Wob | (My complaint, that is) |
| 23:39.13 | pagefault | another friend of mine has a leveno notebook and has been having a problem getting his fixed |
| 23:39.17 | pagefault | they sent it back to him broken |
| 23:39.25 | Wob | Aye, same here |
| 23:39.27 | AnduinLothar | ok. you're not sticking to the same argument. you keep shifting all over |
| 23:39.50 | pagefault | my argumentis that apple replacement parts are more expensive than a PC |
| 23:39.51 | Wob | My wireless suddenly stopped working if you were more than a couple of feet away from the router/facing away =P |
| 23:39.57 | AnduinLothar | that isn't what u said |
| 23:40.12 | AnduinLothar | you said you couldn't replace them. you keep modifying your argument |
| 23:40.43 | pagefault | replacing them involves buying the part |
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| 23:40.49 | pagefault | same argument |
| 23:40.53 | AnduinLothar | you CAN buy the part |
| 23:40.54 | Wob | I think it's more he -could- replace them, but it would involve spending more than if it were a PC |
| 23:41.05 | pagefault | wob understands |
| 23:41.07 | Wob | Since the Mac parts prices are more controlled |
| 23:41.18 | AnduinLothar | i can build a mac from scratch if i want. it would just cost more than buying it prebuilt |
| 23:42.11 | pagefault | but you still use all apple parts |
| 23:42.21 | AnduinLothar | not really |
| 23:42.58 | AnduinLothar | mobo and processor |
| 23:43.34 | pagefault | will the OS support something if I go with say a non apple DVD writer? |
| 23:43.42 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 23:43.51 | pagefault | ah ok |
| 23:43.59 | pagefault | I was under the impression it was locked in to only work with their parts |
| 23:45.00 | fatbrain | I'll ask yet again, anyone know anything about the WDB fileformat? |
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| 23:45.23 | Wob | How does the airspin work? Is it like a barrelroll? |
| 23:45.27 | pagefault | that makes it more feasable then if I can grab the parts from pretty much anywhere |
| 23:45.48 | AnduinLothar | no, apple just makes the custom archetecture, so they have their own mobos and IMB procs. and they custom build the enclosure |
| 23:46.27 | AnduinLothar | you can order the proc from imb if you want |
| 23:46.50 | pagefault | apple needs to support AMD cpus now and I will be set :P |
| 23:46.59 | AnduinLothar | lol. not gonna happen |
| 23:47.28 | AnduinLothar | the new intel procs in the IntelMacs are custom designed for apple |
| 23:47.57 | pagefault | yeah I want to find out what exactly is different about them |
| 23:48.09 | pagefault | I am sure they still follow the x86 standars though |
| 23:48.14 | pagefault | e.g. boots up in 8-bit mode :P |
| 23:48.45 | pagefault | I am wondering if DOS will work on it |
| 23:48.52 | AnduinLothar | doubt it |
| 23:48.59 | AnduinLothar | custom bios i beliee |
| 23:49.08 | pagefault | ah thats true it uses EFI not a bios |
| 23:49.31 | pagefault | but all the 8/16-bit registers should still be on the CPu |
| 23:50.06 | pagefault | that would be a huge undertaking to take those out of the silicon |
| 23:50.43 | pagefault | i'm still surprised they went with x86 |
| 23:50.44 | futrtrubl | http://wow.pastebin.com/537773 the Initialize() calls create a "attempt to call global `Initialize' (a nil value)" error |
| 23:51.00 | futrtrubl | can I not do that? |
| 23:51.06 | AnduinLothar | it wasn't a matter of which was better really |
| 23:51.35 | AnduinLothar | it was a marketing decision. which has more potential. and IBM wanted out of the computer business to focus on integrated procs |
| 23:51.55 | pagefault | yeah, but it could have been a good chance for intel to push their itanium arch |
| 23:51.57 | AnduinLothar | plus intel has a huge r&d budget |
| 23:52.15 | pagefault | no x86 backwards compatibility needed so that would never be an issue on macs |
| 23:54.06 | AnduinLothar | i dont really care about the arch that much. as long as it's faster |
| 23:54.26 | pagefault | is there a native x86 mac WoW client yet? |
| 23:56.54 | pagefault | if that was the PPC version running on the x86 mac I saw then rosetta is damn impressive |
| 23:57.28 | AnduinLothar | it was |
| 23:57.57 | AnduinLothar | no x86 yet |
| 23:58.13 | pagefault | ran as well as windows |
| 23:58.30 | AnduinLothar | ya, that's the point. it's prolly 80% speed |
| 23:58.42 | AnduinLothar | on a duel core 2g |
| 23:58.46 | pagefault | i'm just surprised they could translatte the binary that fast |
