| 00:00.34 | zeeg | interesting |
| 00:00.39 | Guillotine | make WoWI so much more author-friendly. funny. I've always thought WoWI was the sight that needed it least |
| 00:00.41 | zeeg | i was doing something similar, it just had custom designs, but i got lazy :) |
| 00:00.53 | Guillotine | wow. so many spelling errors |
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| 00:10.28 | cladhaire | anyone have the patch mirrored somewhere? I never have issues with torrents, but this oe is creeping. =( |
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| 00:11.57 | Kolth | Check WoWGuru.com |
| 00:12.43 | Natasem | fileplanet.com |
| 00:12.55 | cladhaire | thanks, it kicked in tho-- as expected |
| 00:13.06 | AnduinLothar | once you make the portal how do you edit it... cant find the link |
| 00:13.23 | zeeg | http://wow.mmofiles.com/patches/ |
| 00:13.43 | cladhaire | Anduin: Its the adminblock on your portal |
| 00:13.58 | cladhaire | Anduin: Go to your portal (or click "My Portal") And there should be an "Admin" section in the left bar |
| 00:14.05 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 00:14.22 | cladhaire | I'm having soup.. any other suggestions? |
| 00:15.38 | Kolth | bread! |
| 00:16.26 | Gryphen | lol syndrome is back |
| 00:17.25 | cladhaire | lol.. players can't disenchant cloth items? |
| 00:17.51 | Tain | I'm having water. |
| 00:18.04 | cladhaire | mmm. |
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| 00:27.24 | AnduinLothar | wow, they stopped char creation on a ton of realms |
| 00:27.36 | AnduinLothar | good thing i have 2 or 3 alts on kj |
| 00:28.34 | Guillotine | i find it funny how now, rather than ads for buying gold on curse-gaming they have ads for online date-finders. think google has that as a fallback for gaming sites? ;) |
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| 00:48.36 | zeeg | Guillotine, dk if you got the msg; http://www.wowguru.com/articles/12003/gui--with-guillotine--how-to-crash-wow.html |
| 00:58.44 | Guillotine_ | ah. ty |
| 00:58.47 | Guillotine_ | no, i didn't get the message |
| 00:59.07 | Guillotine | I d/c too much :/ |
| 00:59.50 | zeeg | ya |
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| 01:10.04 | Guillotine | whoa. whats with the ToC number for this version? its completely out of the pattern |
| 01:10.10 | Guillotine | 5059 |
| 01:10.25 | Guillotine | or is that not the ToC version? |
| 01:11.57 | Guillotine | whoa... entie interface messed up with this version |
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| 01:13.06 | Guillotine | ahh. thats why. it reset the 'Load out of date addons' option again :/ |
| 01:25.49 | Iriel | Which in and of itself isn't bad, it's just that it resets it without a popup |
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| 01:30.02 | Wobin_ | *blinkyblinky* my downloads just jumped from about 5 to about 50 |
| 01:30.52 | Wobin_ | I'd better get this gui up and loaded =P |
| 01:32.53 | Iriel | you dont know the answer though do you? |
| 01:32.55 | Iriel | thought not 8-) |
| 01:33.04 | Guillotine | though you may find it at www.ctmods.net |
| 01:33.20 | Guillotine | sry. www.ctmod.net |
| 01:33.22 | Guillotine | added an extra s |
| 01:36.15 | Wobin_ | argh, forgot to check the load out of date addons =P |
| 01:36.23 | Wobin_ | I always automatically hit enter world =P |
| 01:39.26 | Guillotine | lol. thats what I said earlier |
| 01:41.48 | Guillotine | anybody know of any repeatable quests for gnomeregan exile rep? |
| 01:48.46 | Iriel | For anyone else who was looking for the code Cide was looking for earlier: http://www.iriel.org/wow/luabits/subframecache.html |
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| 01:58.15 | Codayus | Guillotine: handing in runeclot to the quartermaster |
| 01:58.33 | zeeg | mm |
| 01:58.34 | zeeg | proper html |
| 01:58.37 | zeeg | im impressed Iriel |
| 01:58.38 | zeeg | :D |
| 01:58.40 | Codayus | Or turning in war supplies commendations. |
| 01:59.39 | Iriel | xhtml, in fact |
| 01:59.47 | Iriel | It's XSL generated for the most part, so it has to be valid. |
| 02:00.10 | zeeg | oh |
| 02:00.23 | Iriel | but I wrote the xslt and the css, so I still get the credit 8-) |
| 02:00.23 | zeeg | xslt you mean or? |
| 02:00.25 | zeeg | k |
| 02:00.36 | Iriel | xslt/xsl, I use them interchangably, sorry 8-) |
| 02:00.40 | zeeg | ive never used it, due to it requiring server software and im too lazy to set it up |
| 02:00.57 | Iriel | Ah, I do it in batch |
| 02:01.00 | Iriel | then rsync |
| 02:01.08 | Iriel | my web host is a bit aged |
| 02:06.21 | Iriel | If you happen to be very comfortable with XML, then XSLT? can be very useful. I personally dont like the druge work of hand maintaining lots of HTML |
| 02:06.31 | Iriel | So I prefer to get a template down, then automate it |
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| 02:39.44 | AnduinLothar | wb cair |
| 02:42.25 | Cairenn | thanks AnduinLothar, glad you like it Tain :) |
| 02:44.56 | ForgottenLords | OMG this AQ opening is rediculous |
| 02:49.31 | Ktron | ForgottenLords; its not that ridiculous |
| 02:50.44 | Wobin_ | anyone know of a addon that chucks the iteminfo into the tooltip? |
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| 03:07.59 | Tem|Ony | no Fing WAY |
| 03:08.07 | Tem|Ony | 2x wrath |
| 03:08.08 | Tem|Ony | AGAIN |
| 03:25.41 | sancus | thank god that X of _Y_, AGAIN is gone as of AQ |
| 03:27.04 | Guillotine_ | huh? |
| 03:27.42 | sancus | There's no more class specific set drops in AQ |
| 03:28.16 | sancus | It's always one of two items that applies to 4 different classes' set items. |
| 03:28.29 | sancus | So the chance of a streak that doesnt have what you want is many times smaller |
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| 03:36.04 | Stylpe | What's the word you call a person when you can almost always tell what that persons reaction will be? |
| 03:36.36 | Tain | Dead would work. |
| 03:37.21 | Stylpe | Clever |
| 03:37.51 | Wobin_ | Predictable? |
| 03:39.00 | Wobin_ | An Open Book? |
| 03:39.20 | Cairenn | boring |
| 03:39.49 | Stylpe | Predictable, of course =P |
| 03:40.10 | Iriel | I thought dead was a pretty creative answer |
| 03:40.28 | Wobin_ | unless they're vampires or something |
| 03:40.29 | Stylpe | Don't you hate it when that happens? When you just can't remember a word? |
| 03:40.46 | Wobin_ | Well, you never know if they're going to wait around for a res, or release =P |
| 03:40.55 | Cairenn | Wobin_: ROFL |
| 03:44.56 | Cairenn | however, if you are looking for other words that can be substituted for "predictable", you can always go with: reliable, dependable, steadfast, resolute, constant ... |
| 03:45.27 | Iriel | ... boring, as earlier suggested |
| 03:46.05 | Wobin_ | hm, all those are fairly positive adjectives |
| 03:46.17 | Wobin_ | but doesn't really cover the original definition |
| 03:46.50 | Iriel | predictable's pretty neutral tho |
| 03:46.55 | AnduinLothar | For those of you know don't usually vist there's a new Cosmos Release. http://www.cosmosui.org |
| 03:47.12 | Cairenn | http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=predictable |
| 03:47.32 | Tain | You know if you guys can get Carl Sagan to do an endorsement I'd use Cosmos. |
| 03:47.33 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: meant to say, nicely written up on the Blizz forum :) |
| 03:48.04 | Cairenn | ~lart Tain |
| 03:48.09 | Cairenn | ! |
| 03:48.09 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 03:48.16 | Cairenn | now that's a pretty serious lart! |
| 03:48.23 | Tain | Oh no! |
| 03:48.34 | Cairenn | no mo mojo |
| 03:48.52 | Tain | ~mojo |
| 03:48.53 | purl | from memory, mojo is the libido, the life force, the right stuff, the essence, what the french call a certain ... oh I don't know what. |
| 03:49.07 | Tain | haha nice ending. |
| 03:49.19 | Wobin_ | je ne se quois? |
| 03:49.24 | Cairenn | je ne sais quoi |
| 03:49.29 | Wobin_ | Ta =) |
| 03:49.39 | Cairenn | heh, except spelled correctly, as per Wobin_ ;) |
| 03:49.51 | Wobin_ | Oh =) |
| 03:49.57 | Wobin_ | I guessed on the spelling =) |
| 03:50.04 | Iriel | I think yours was right cair |
| 03:50.06 | Cairenn | I'm not sure which one of us has it more correct |
| 03:50.21 | Wobin_ | I'll ask a frenchie next he's on =P |
| 03:50.33 | Cairenn | it's been WAY too long since I've done anything with written french |
| 03:50.38 | Wobin_ | Or google! |
| 03:50.42 | Wobin_ | Cair is correct =) |
| 03:51.31 | Cairenn | anyway, the sad fact of the matter is, Tain don't got it no mo |
| 03:52.00 | Wobin_ | Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir |
| 03:52.07 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 03:52.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: You could get back into the habit by translating my Lua regexp to French ;) |
| 03:53.10 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: hah! not |
| 03:53.47 | Cairenn | Wobin_: mangez le merde :p |
| 03:54.29 | Cairenn | et mort |
| 03:54.47 | Cairenn | or is that morte |
| 03:55.05 | Wobin_ | Le Roi est mort, vive le roi |
| 03:55.21 | Wobin_ | So Mort, I'd think, unless we're talking about weird tenses that I have no clue about =) |
| 03:56.01 | Tain | It was when we started getting into some of those tenses that I started to lose it. |
| 03:56.03 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 03:56.09 | MentalPower | Bonne nuit amis! |
| 03:56.16 | Cairenn | and I didn't really mean it |
| 03:56.20 | Wobin_ | Aurevoir! |
| 03:56.32 | Cairenn | MentalPower, mon cherie! |
| 03:57.14 | MentalPower | :) |
| 03:57.31 | Cairenn | gawd my french is so bad now =/ |
| 03:58.01 | Cairenn | mind you, my french went to hell when I moved from NS to Ont |
| 03:58.46 | Cairenn | bloody egotistical Quebecquois made good and sure of that |
| 03:59.44 | Tain | Yep, damn Quebecois. |
| 04:00.10 | pagefault | poutine |
| 04:01.47 | Cairenn | I'm actually serious, Tain - I learned Acadien French, which is much more true to the French in France, but try to convince anyone in Quebec of that ... they so insulted me whenever I tried to converse in French that I gave up trying to use it, and hence have lost my ability |
| 04:02.35 | Tain | Oh I know, a friend of mine grew up in Quebec and told me all about it. |
| 04:04.00 | Tain | Or I should say moved to Quebec when she was young and then moved away. |
| 04:04.16 | Tain | So she had a good set of before and after. heh |
| 04:05.44 | Iriel | Go go CustomInterfaceKit! |
| 04:05.49 | Cairenn | mind you, I can still talk a good "shaque" |
| 04:05.54 | Cairenn | Iriel: ?? |
| 04:06.34 | Ktron | So Cairenn, how often do you have a good "shaque"? |
| 04:06.39 | Cairenn | Has the documentation started coming out? |
| 04:06.45 | Iriel | It's patch day, and all that. |
| 04:06.48 | Iriel | Hm, documentation? |
| 04:06.55 | Cairenn | no no luv, that's shag ;) |
| 04:07.04 | Cairenn | Iriel: errr, nm |
| 04:08.14 | Cairenn | "shaque" is what they talk in Shediac, NB - it's 1/2 Acadien, 1/2 English .. in the same sentence |
| 04:08.18 | Tain | Bah who's holding out for a "good" one. |
| 04:08.39 | Wobin_ | Sounds like chinglish |
| 04:12.12 | Cairenn | Iriel: you know Bela has had the files up at wdn since early afternoon, right? |
| 04:12.28 | Cairenn | actually, probably was still morning, your time |
| 04:12.39 | Iriel | Cairenn : yes, I actually poked around there earlier, first time i'd visited it |
| 04:13.30 | Cairenn | okay, and really? thought you'd been there before |
| 04:13.51 | Iriel | No, i'd talked about it at length with bela, btu never actually visited 8-) |
| 04:13.56 | Cairenn | ah |
| 04:14.57 | Iriel | Anyways, I do all manner of crazy analysis on the build after it launches, and I slacked off on 1.9.2 so i'm trying to compensate by updating all my scripts |
| 04:15.29 | Cairenn | heh, and this surprises anyone how much? |
| 04:15.49 | Iriel | Hopefully it surprises nobody 8-) |
| 04:16.21 | Cairenn | that was rather what I was indicating, yes |
| 04:16.37 | Iriel | Anyone know if draka has a queue? |
| 04:17.57 | Cairenn | Iriel: none, I was just able to log in |
| 04:18.09 | Iriel | cool |
| 04:18.27 | Iriel | This way I dont bother my normal guild with login/out/in/out |
| 04:18.40 | Cairenn | *nod* |
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| 04:35.12 | Cairenn | "Guitarist for Pink and Christina Aguilera has been arrested. Authorities expect him to be charged with being the guitarist for Pink and Christina Aguilera." |
| 04:35.21 | Kolth | hhaha |
| 04:35.48 | Cairenn | thanks goes to Tain for seeing that and posting it in one of the other channels, I just copied it over |
| 05:22.11 | Cairenn | BOO! |
| 05:26.43 | Tem | ? |
| 05:27.08 | Cairenn | just seeing if anyone is still awake |
| 05:27.50 | Tain | I'm fighting off the last night snack-crave. |
| 05:28.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:30.31 | Iriel | I'm still awake too |
| 05:30.54 | Cairenn | it's just really quiet in channel tonight |
| 05:31.12 | Maldivia | hmm... did 1.9.3 bug out GetGuildRosterInfo sometimes? |
| 05:32.41 | Cairenn | Maldivia: I don't know, but I do know that both times when I logged in today, I couldn't see guild info (the tab was greyed out and wouldn't let me click it), even though I checked with multiple guilded characters |
| 05:32.54 | Cairenn | I just thought perhaps it was me :p |
| 05:33.04 | Maldivia | My problem: count = GetNumGuildMembers(); for i = 1, count do local name = GetGuildRosterInfo(i); end |
| 05:33.10 | Maldivia | sometimes name is nil |
| 05:33.38 | Maldivia | ie. the mail-lookup-in-guild code |
| 05:35.03 | Maldivia | I've had a few guild members report that they are getting an error, personally haven't experienced it |
| 05:35.38 | Cairenn | no error, just no option to look at guild tab at all |
| 05:36.18 | Cairenn | on a couple different servers, with multiple characters |
| 05:36.45 | Iriel | Is it right after (or within a couple of minutes of) login? |
| 05:36.53 | Iriel | Or doesnt it fix itself at all? |
| 05:37.06 | Iriel | I'm wondering if its related to the ungodly character fetching lag on some servers? |
| 05:37.12 | Cairenn | nope, 10 minutes plus |
| 05:37.25 | Cairenn | and didn't fix itself |
| 05:37.26 | Maldivia | well, my code runs after a GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE event, so the data should be present |
| 05:37.57 | Cairenn | and I don't have any mods pertaining to the guild roster ... |
| 05:38.01 | Maldivia | Cairenn: tried /script GuildRoster() -- to force an update? |
| 05:38.20 | Cairenn | no |
| 05:38.43 | Cairenn | aaactually ... I have the guild roster plug in for titan (well, Bhaldie's) |
| 05:39.19 | Cairenn | suppose I should do some testing :p |
| 05:39.34 | Cairenn | I just basically never play any more, so not really worried about it :p |
| 05:41.15 | Maldivia | hmm, is guild information available at ADDON_LOADED, as in, does it know I'm in a guild, so I can call GuildRoster? |
| 05:42.30 | Tem | GuildRoster doesn't trigger the "You aren't in a guild" message does it? |
| 05:42.50 | Maldivia | I think it does, yes |
| 05:43.08 | Tem | bah |
| 05:43.22 | Tem | well, ADDON_LOADED should be late enough |
| 05:43.27 | Maldivia | if IsInGuild() then GuildRoster(); end |
| 05:43.28 | Tem | if not, use PEW |
| 05:43.37 | Iriel | ADDON_LOADED is before PEW |
| 05:43.42 | Iriel | So it may not be late enough |
| 05:44.07 | Maldivia | well, I'm using PEW at the moment for my code, but that make extra request at every zoneing |
| 05:44.22 | Tem | why can't I help thinking of our fight with Onyixia when I mention 'PEW' ? |
| 05:44.37 | Maldivia | was it that close? |
| 05:44.38 | Tem | (we do phase one as wands / autoattack only) |
| 05:44.46 | Maldivia | why? |
| 05:44.49 | Tem | low dps |
| 05:44.54 | Tem | makes tanking real easy |
| 05:44.59 | Wobin_ | OMGLAZARSPEWPEWPEW |
| 05:45.06 | Tem | and it's easy on our mana |
| 05:45.31 | Maldivia | I'm going all out dps on her in phase 1, AE in phase 2, wait for call, and all out in phase 3... |
| 05:45.43 | Tem | and you have mana to spare? |
| 05:45.44 | Maldivia | Evocation ftw :) |
| 05:45.55 | Tem | good lord you must have a lot of regen or something |
| 05:46.00 | Maldivia | not really |
| 05:46.20 | Tem | oh and we don't put mages on whelps in phase 2 |
| 05:46.22 | Maldivia | I use perhaps 2k mana in phase 1 :) |
| 05:46.40 | Tem | well I suppose if everyone is nuking it doesn't last very long |
| 05:46.47 | Maldivia | exactly :) |
| 05:46.57 | Maldivia | and healers use less mana |
| 05:47.01 | Tem | right |
| 05:47.08 | Tem | but meh, we do fine with our way |
| 05:47.15 | Tem | but still no NW |
| 05:47.23 | Tem | though arcanist got a buff today |
| 05:47.25 | Maldivia | bugger for you |
| 05:47.32 | Tem | I'm still not done being excited about that |
| 05:47.33 | Maldivia | buff / nerf - call what you want |
| 05:47.48 | Tem | I /hated/ it before |
| 05:47.56 | Tem | I wouldn't bid on it at all |
| 05:48.08 | Maldivia | well, I've always used Arcanist pieces as my mana-gear... now I got nerfed for 600 mana |
| 05:48.12 | Tem | now I could tolerate to wear most of it in the absence of NW |
| 05:49.40 | Maldivia | my normal gear doens't contain any arcanist at all :) |
| 05:51.52 | Maldivia | its currently: NW crown, choker of enlight, NW mantle, sapphiron, volatile power, zandalar wraps, sandworm skin gloves, firemaw's clutch, nw pants, ringo's blizzard boots |
| 06:01.59 | Tem | this is what I plan to be using soon |
| 06:03.14 | Tem | NW crown (when it freaking drops it's mine), Choker of the Fire Lord, Cloak of Consumption, Robes of the Archmage, Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal (Eventually, some blue with +29 frost spell damage on it for now) |
| 06:03.30 | Tem | Arcanist bindings |
| 06:03.40 | Tem | Arcanist Gloves, Arcanist pants |
| 06:04.01 | Tem | Mana igniting cord |
| 06:04.11 | Tem | and the boots from the spider |
| 06:04.14 | Tem | er, tiger |
| 06:04.22 | Tem | Betrayer's boots |
| 06:07.15 | Tem | Iriel: you around? |
| 06:08.25 | Maldivia | Choker of the Fire Lord dropped from Rag for us tonight... and Blackwing Cabal dropped from Raz, when we went on to BWL :) |
| 06:08.53 | Maldivia | not that I got any of them though :| |
| 06:09.07 | Iriel | Tem: yes |
| 06:09.28 | Tem | Iriel: My professor's name is Gerald Baumgartner |
| 06:09.51 | Maldivia | hehe... Baumgartner :) |
| 06:09.57 | Tem | I found out that what he did with gcc was add what he called "signatures" |
| 06:10.18 | Tem | they work out to be basically what interfaces are in java |
| 06:10.47 | Iriel | I vaguelly remember them, never actually used them |
| 06:11.26 | Iriel | gcc/g++ had all sorts of cool extensions |
| 06:12.14 | Tem | it's since been removed because they added something else that does essecialy the same |
| 06:12.37 | Tem | he's so laid back it's awesome |
| 06:12.56 | Tem | my previous CS profs were anal about your assignments |
| 06:13.06 | Tem | to the point of making me /hate/ writing programs for class |
| 06:13.15 | Tem | but this guy lets you do things in your style |
| 06:13.21 | sancus | meh meh |
| 06:13.25 | sancus | 8/8 NW can't be beat |
| 06:13.37 | Tem | agreed |
| 06:13.40 | Iriel | By the way, if you're doing java, you should check out the 'checkstyle' tool |
| 06:13.47 | Tem | 8/8 NW must be freaking amazing |
| 06:13.50 | sancus | Only thing I'm missing is Staff of the Shadow Flame :( |
| 06:13.54 | sancus | then I'm done till Naxxramas |
| 06:14.23 | sancus | well probably, might pick up some jewelry if there's something better than band of forced concentration or mindtear band |
| 06:14.25 | Maldivia | sancus: 8/8 NW is nice... but I can unfortunatly count all the NW drops out guild has had in BWL, using my fingers and toes :| |
| 06:14.34 | sancus | we've had 12 netherwind mantles drop |
| 06:14.45 | sancus | no wait its 13 now |
| 06:14.48 | sancus | out of 20 kills |
| 06:14.57 | Maldivia | I haven't seen a single NW drop in 2006.... |
| 06:15.05 | sancus | we've had like 8 belts |
| 06:15.08 | Tem | heh, we will start to pound our heads on the brick wall that is Razorgore this sunday |
| 06:15.11 | sancus | basically way more of everything for all our mages |
| 06:15.15 | sancus | except for gloves and robes |
| 06:15.28 | Tem | Maldivia: me either |
| 06:15.30 | sancus | only had 3 robes and 2 gloves I think, so most people are waiting for that |
| 06:15.33 | sancus | but two of us are 8/8 |
| 06:15.42 | Tem | I haven't seen NW drop since November |
| 06:15.44 | sancus | still using Azuresong though, sucks, my weapon bites |
| 06:15.55 | Tem | oh stuff it |
| 06:15.59 | Maldivia | Ohh, I have chrom's claw :) |
| 06:16.04 | Tem | I'm still using a rod of the ogre madgi |
| 06:16.12 | Maldivia | with AV exalted off-hand :) |
| 06:16.20 | sancus | I've never bothered to get AV exalted since I cant stand wow pvp |
| 06:16.21 | Tem | because the f'ing pallies are allowed to bid on my magelbade |
| 06:16.32 | sancus | well playing alliance was your first mistake :P |
| 06:17.00 | sancus | chrom's claw is OK, but its such a tiny upgrade over azuresong Im not bothering with it |
| 06:17.06 | sancus | letting other people blow their dkp on a sidegrade |
| 06:17.34 | Tem | it's the most spell damage on a single item in game atm |
| 06:17.44 | Tem | I don't see how that's just a sidegrade |
| 06:17.56 | sancus | huh? |
| 06:18.17 | Tem | let me rephrase that a little |
| 06:18.33 | sancus | Well for 1, no it isnt, for 2, it's a sidegrade because 1% crit is worth about 15 +dmg depending on your nuke's original damage |
| 06:18.36 | Maldivia | Chrom's claw: 64 dmg -- Mageblade: 40 dmg |
| 06:18.39 | Tem | it allows for the most spossible pell damage in your weapon slots atm |
| 06:18.57 | sancus | So you're talking about maybe +10 actual effective damage upgrade |
| 06:19.16 | Tem | s/pell/spell/ |
| 06:19.40 | Tem | For me 1% spell crit is only about 10 spell damage |
| 06:19.59 | Tem | but that will change by the time we are killing Chromaggus |
| 06:20.11 | Maldivia | Sharpened Silithid Femur... now that I want! |
| 06:20.21 | sancus | and yea, silithid femur is better |
| 06:20.29 | AnduinLothar | wow. our tank is 16 and epic'd out and his mother just made him go to bed in th emiddle of zg.. |
| 06:20.29 | sancus | it's 72dmg and 1%crit |
| 06:20.40 | sancus | So no, claw isn't the highest possible +dmg anyway |
| 06:21.08 | Tem | Sharpened Silithid what? |
| 06:21.13 | Tem | never heard of it |
| 06:21.17 | sancus | Sharpened Silithid Femur |
| 06:21.18 | Maldivia | but, ofcourse, the femur has been "Recently devoured" |
| 06:21.20 | sancus | it drops from viscidus |
| 06:21.25 | sancus | in AQ40 |
| 06:21.51 | sancus | people are skipping him atm in a rush to tackle c'thun because he's optional but he's before the twin emps |
| 06:22.04 | sancus | just like they're skipping ouro |
| 06:22.11 | Tem | ... |
| 06:22.19 | Tem | The AQ gates aren't open on my server |
| 06:22.27 | Tem | and AQ40 is a LONG way off |
| 06:22.31 | Tem | (for us) |
| 06:22.47 | Maldivia | because, they'll get a bigger epeen for killing c'thun first, than for killing Ouro or Vis |
| 06:22.57 | sancus | yea, but you have to think ahead, and at the end of the day, Staff of the Shadow Flame is a much bigger upgrade than claw in any case |
| 06:23.21 | Tem | how much spell damage on the staff? |
| 06:23.29 | Tem | like 84ish right? |
| 06:23.30 | sancus | 2% crit and +84 damage with excellent stats is much better than +98 dmg with much weaker stats |
| 06:23.42 | Maldivia | I like weapon + off-hand combo |
| 06:23.47 | Tem | I do too |
| 06:24.02 | sancus | So do I, but not at the expense of taking a less optimized weapon |
| 06:24.02 | Maldivia | I don't think I've every used a staff while being level 60... |
| 06:25.24 | sancus | silithid femur + talon of furious concentration would be really nice |
| 06:26.15 | sancus | but I'm a little perturbed that my hitpoints are still below 3500 so I'm a little more concerned about stats at the moment, especially since my damage with +524dmg is already capped by warrior aggro generation more than anything |
| 06:26.31 | Maldivia | or tome of the ice lord / fiery arcana / arcane dominination |
| 06:26.51 | sancus | meh, those suck mostly |
| 06:27.04 | sancus | honestly maximizing frostbolt damage when you're in full tier 2 epics starts to look a lot dumber, especially with Rank 11 frostbolt |
| 06:27.33 | sancus | because you are hovering around 3k hitpoints which SUCKS for survivability in these instances and even more in future ones |
| 06:27.46 | sancus | and your damage gets more and more capped by threat |
| 06:28.09 | sancus | and shadow priests are going to outdamage the crap out of you no matter what you do |
| 06:28.13 | Maldivia | well, it's nice to have different gear-sets |
| 06:28.28 | sancus | need to survive under harsh AE conditions, that's what mages are good at, AE |
| 06:28.37 | sancus | single target damage, everyone and his gay uncle kicks our ass so competing there is fairly silly |
| 06:28.43 | Maldivia | so a damage set, for fights where threat isn't an issue... mana set for AE fight, stam set for those fights etc |
| 06:30.13 | Maldivia | anyway -afk |
| 06:30.34 | sancus | When you're in ilvl 70+ epics in every slot, seeing that a shadow priest with half your +dmg can beat your face in really makes you wonder what the point is of trying to maximize frostbolt spam =) |
| 06:31.28 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 06:32.09 | Codayus | That sounds like fun. Maybe I should start collecting +dmg gear. :-) |
| 06:32.41 | Tem | leave my spell damage alone healer |
| 06:32.46 | Tem | shoo! |
| 06:33.05 | sancus | To be fair, it's a contest somewhat up in the air |
| 06:33.10 | zeeg | http://www.nibbits.com/dev/bizcard2.jpg |
| 06:33.11 | zeeg | hows this look |
| 06:33.13 | Codayus | Pft, learn2bandage. I wanna melt some faces. :-P |
| 06:33.27 | sancus | some fights the mages kick her ass, some fights the other way around, but the fact that she can be competitive with most slots blues when we're in the best epics in the game |
| 06:33.32 | sancus | is really annoying |
| 06:33.40 | Cairenn | night all |
| 06:33.54 | Codayus | sancus: Don't worry, 1.10 should be a big buff to priests. Oh wait, that doesn't help... :-P |
| 06:33.54 | sancus | and the *main* reason for it is because shadow priests cut their aggro by 45% while mages can't cut their aggro whatsoever without making dps sacrifices |
| 06:34.07 | sancus | (ie, using AM) |
| 06:34.19 | Codayus | Mind you, 1.10 may well remove some of the "worthles" threat reduction talents. |
| 06:34.19 | sancus | nah |
| 06:34.32 | sancus | Shadow priests aren't getting any buffs |
| 06:34.39 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 06:34.41 | sancus | priests may still end up overpowered, but not damage dealing |
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| 06:34.55 | sancus | The main variable atm is just how much PW: S will scale based on +healing |
| 06:35.03 | sancus | If it's a good coefficient it could get pretty obscene |
| 06:35.12 | Codayus | In fact, I would't be surprised if the "streamlined" trees removed one or both damage/threat reduction talents... |
| 06:35.33 | Codayus | Since they're useless filler for everyone except a pve dps priest. |
| 06:35.55 | sancus | To be fair, also, shadow priests tend to do extremely well on content you've already beaten |
| 06:36.01 | sancus | but they also largely fall apart on new content |
| 06:36.17 | sancus | because they can only dps for about 2-3 minutes before they run out of mana |
| 06:36.25 | sancus | And new fights are much, much longer than fights you have down |
| 06:36.29 | Codayus | Hmm. |
| 06:36.35 | sancus | So the fact that mages have like 4x as much mana as them comes into play |
| 06:36.38 | Codayus | I *really* want the 1.10 patch notes. |
| 06:36.55 | Wobin_ | Mana drops like a rock when shadowforming |
| 06:37.02 | sancus | still I think it's good to have one shadow priest in every pve raid |
| 06:37.05 | Codayus | Or the test servers to come up. The suspense is killing me. I don't mind if it takes a couple months to go live, I just want to know what's going to happen. |
| 06:37.05 | Tem | wait, I've /never/ had more mana than my priest friends |
| 06:37.11 | sancus | if nothing else, +15% shadow damage is good for the warlocks |
| 06:37.16 | Wobin_ | aye |
| 06:37.21 | Wobin_ | And it's easy to buff up |
| 06:37.22 | sancus | but more than 1 shadow priest is a waste and a bad idea |
| 06:37.33 | Wobin_ | SW:P Rank 1 spammed |
| 06:37.41 | Wobin_ | Can also proc Blackout, which is useful |
| 06:37.42 | sancus | Tem: Its not about how much mana is in your tank |
| 06:37.46 | Tem | right |
| 06:37.46 | sancus | It's about how much you can produce |
| 06:37.54 | Tem | it's that we're more efficient with it |
| 06:38.00 | Wobin_ | Shadow spells are remarkably inefficient |
| 06:38.01 | sancus | Mage Armor + Evocation + Mana Gems is huge |
| 06:38.14 | Tem | + spell cost reducing talents |
| 06:38.30 | Wobin_ | I find myself casting maybe three shadow spells, then shielding and wanding in PvE |
| 06:38.30 | sancus | actually you can get the efficiency of a shadow priest pretty close to a frost mage |
| 06:38.37 | Codayus | Yeah. I'm tempted to respec shaodw/disc for raids; we have no shadow priests at the moment. On the other hand, I'm worried it'll hurt our progression. <shrug> |
| 06:38.38 | sancus | within 10% anyway |
| 06:39.01 | sancus | Frostbolt scales marginally better though, so theoretically a frost mage will eventually pull away |
| 06:39.28 | Tem | 2 years from now... |
| 06:39.32 | sancus | 2 years from now |
| 06:39.46 | sancus | our classes will all look completely, utterly different from all sorts of new abilities from the expansion and so on |
| 06:39.49 | sancus | so it doesnt really matter :P |
| 06:40.08 | Tem | I'm really interested to see what they do with mages |
| 06:40.24 | sancus | well we're getting invisibility back! |
| 06:40.27 | Codayus | The rogue review will be interesting. |
| 06:40.34 | sancus | not till the expansion though probably |
| 06:40.36 | Tem | you sure about that sancus ? |
| 06:40.42 | sancus | 90% sure yes |
| 06:40.46 | Tem | why? |
| 06:40.50 | sancus | how it will function? who knows |
| 06:40.53 | Codayus | It's not like there's a lot of burning issues to be solved with rogues... |
| 06:40.54 | Tem | I don't really see a need for it |
| 06:41.05 | Tem | Codayus: I disagree |
| 06:41.20 | Codayus | No? What's the big rogue problem? |
| 06:41.24 | sancus | Because they've said they want to add it back repeatedly and it's also an iconic warcraft mage ability |
| 06:41.28 | Tem | Codayus: but unlike the other classes that are getting buffed in their review.. |
| 06:41.35 | Tem | Rogues should be nerfed |
| 06:41.35 | Codayus | They'll get nerfed? Heh. |
| 06:41.41 | sancus | there's a need for invisibility, depends on what you think "invisibility" should do |
| 06:41.43 | Tem | specifically stunlock |
| 06:41.44 | Tain | Rogue for me is the most fun class. |
| 06:41.57 | sancus | for example if it was a 5 second vanish that cut threat or wiped it on a long cooldown, it would be quite welcome and a gigantic buff for raids |
| 06:41.59 | Tem | thankfully for me, stunlock isn't an issue |
| 06:42.33 | Tem | but I think it's something that should be looked at |
| 06:42.44 | Codayus | Well, rogues do have some wasted talents. There's uh...Premeditiation, which sucks. And Setup is pretty bad. And...uh...wait, it'll come to me... |
| 06:42.59 | sancus | they've also said that rogues + mages are both going to get relatively minor reviews compared to hunters, druids, and priests |
| 06:43.00 | Codayus | :-) |
| 06:43.04 | Tain | Everyone has wasted talents though. |
| 06:43.08 | Tem | it just doesn't seem fair that a good rogue can keep you stunned the entire duration of the fight |
| 06:43.19 | sancus | thats why I dont expect invisibility in the mage review |
| 06:43.25 | Codayus | Well, premed is a 31 point talent, so it'd be nice to see it fixed/removed. |
| 06:43.39 | sancus | it's too soon and the expansion is a good place to add it because EVERYONE will be getting new abilities so nobody can cry "mages got something new when we didn't" |
| 06:43.44 | Tain | But, the one thing I will agree with universally for all classes is none of your 31 talents should be "not very good" |
| 06:44.08 | Tem | It really pisses me off that a few things are dispellable |
| 06:44.09 | sancus | none of the mage 31 point talents are very good, arcane power is the only one that's passable maybe depending on your perspective |
| 06:44.19 | sancus | but combustion and ice barrier are both so horrible no one even bothers anymore |
| 06:44.28 | Tem | Arcane power, for instance, should NOT be dispellable |
| 06:44.30 | Codayus | Well, premed isn't "not very good", it's a sick joke. You have to give up Cold Blood to get it. Uh...yeah, like that ever happens? |
| 06:46.43 | Tem | anyways, it's time for me to go to bed |
| 06:46.44 | Tem | night guys |
| 06:48.33 | Iriel | I dont know if anyone will find it useful, but i've added the return from 'GetFrameType()' for each frame to the WidgetAPI page |
| 06:49.26 | AnduinLothar | gj |
| 06:50.39 | AnduinLothar | saves me from some trial and error |
| 06:50.55 | Iriel | Once 1.10 hits i'll replace it with GetObjectType |
| 06:51.05 | AnduinLothar | now if there was a list of what frames could use what scripts.. |
| 06:51.20 | Iriel | Damn it, I knew there was one lingering thing I had said i'd do |
| 06:51.27 | Iriel | I'll do that next time i'm in there |
| 06:51.31 | AnduinLothar | :) |
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| 07:15.45 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 07:15.50 | Iriel | How's that AnduinLothar ? |
| 07:16.17 | Iriel | It's about the best I can do in a hurry 8-) |
| 07:23.26 | AnduinLothar | looks pretty good, guess only use will tell how usefull it is |
| 07:25.14 | Iriel | if it's wrong then it means HasScript is lying 8-) |
| 07:30.31 | Iriel | And now.. sleep! |
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| 07:36.17 | sarf|sleep | Codayus> If you want to see unuseful Rogue talents, take a peek at Vigor |
| 07:36.26 | sarf|sleep | or, for that matter, Thrown Weapon Specialization |
| 07:36.48 | sarf|stuff | Until recently, mace spec was a bad joke. Now it's kind of nifty for the stunlocking rogue |
| 07:37.16 | sarf|stuff | Oh, and the poison damage increasing talent rocks my socks... NOT |
| 07:37.32 | Codayus | I dunno, I don't think vigor is bad At least there are viable builds that use it, which is more than you can say for premed. |
| 07:37.33 | sarf|stuff | In fact, the deeper you go into Assassination, the less impressed you'll be |
| 07:38.28 | sarf|stuff | The only thing that would make Vigor useful PvE would be to automatically up the energy regen rate proportially to your energy max |
| 07:38.40 | Codayus | Oh, no, it's certainly not a pve talent. |
| 07:38.57 | sarf|stuff | But that would make it horribly overpowered (in a sense) since you'd get 25 energy back with that +10 energy max set bonus |
| 07:39.05 | Codayus | It's basically a 10 energy reduction in cost to all openers. That's...okay. |
| 07:39.31 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 07:40.16 | sarf|stuff | One of the major problems for Rogues (PvE, since I am focused that way) is that end-game, you don't have any really good finishers for high-end content |
| 07:40.37 | sarf|stuff | Rupture? Yeah, bring on the ~500 damage over 12 seconds! Whoo! |
| 07:41.00 | sarf|stuff | Eviscerate? Sure... if the mobs hadn't had 75% damage reduction |
| 07:41.12 | Codayus | And improved instant poison is a decent talent, it just doesn't scale. See also - eviscerate. |
| 07:42.09 | sarf|stuff | Expose Armor? Sure thing - upgraded it will even do more armor reduction than Sunder Armor... but you aren't allowed to use it since it makes warriors go "wwwaaaaaah! whaaaaaaaaah!" since they can't adapt to not using sunder armor for threat (and it is a semi-viable reason) |
| 07:42.14 | sarf|stuff | Night futr-sleep |
| 07:42.37 | sarf|stuff | So, what have we left? Oh, right - Slice'n'Dice... which now gets buffed so you can't miss (good thing!). |
| 07:42.43 | Codayus | The thing is, everyone has junk talents, so I'm not too worried about that. Junk 31 point talents is a concern, but...meh. The failure of finishing moves to scale is bad though, but I don't see how to fix it. Oh well, at least there's slice n dice. |
| 07:42.56 | Codayus | Exactl.y |
| 07:43.07 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, and if Slice'n'Dice had stacked with itself, I'd imagine it to be fine as well |
| 07:44.10 | sarf|stuff | But Finishers is quite a nice part of being a rogue... being nerfed to only using one of them (with the occasional Eviscerate because you already have had a 5 pt Slice'n'Dice activated) is... bleh |
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| 07:44.34 | Codayus | Yeah, but I don't really see a fix. |
| 07:44.36 | sarf|stuff | I mean, there's not a lack of ideas for high-end |
| 07:44.49 | Codayus | Unless they made eviscerate do weapon damage or something. |
| 07:45.08 | sarf|stuff | Such as: Finisher that increases the chance to hit with <CP>% |
| 07:45.20 | sarf|stuff | Finisher that increase chance to crit <CP>% |
| 07:46.04 | sarf|stuff | Finisher that decreases resistances based on CP |
| 07:46.09 | Codayus | Hey, that's not a bad idea, actually. |
| 07:46.18 | Codayus | Okay, I take it back about there not being a fix. :-) |
| 07:46.19 | sarf|stuff | Each could be made into a 31 pt talent and it would be *used* dang it |
| 07:46.34 | sarf|stuff | And it's not like 5% +chance to hit would matter PvP |
| 07:46.37 | Codayus | You're thinking of having those be mob debuffs that'd apply for the whole raid? |
| 07:46.49 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, everyone that attacks the creature |
| 07:47.02 | sarf|stuff | That would make rogue debuff slots prioritized |
| 07:47.09 | Codayus | Yeah, that'd be good. Kind of a reflection of the druid 31 point forms. |
| 07:47.30 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, but my concern is that it would be applied for whole raid, which is a no-no for most things |
| 07:47.43 | sarf|stuff | So perhaps just a "Increase tohit for group" finisher? |
| 07:47.51 | sarf|stuff | But my point is that there's not a lack of ideas |
| 07:47.51 | Codayus | Hmmm. |
| 07:48.10 | sarf|stuff | that last idea would be a group buff, not a debuff |
| 07:48.16 | Codayus | A finisher that applies a buff to all party members nearby...yeah. |
| 07:48.31 | sarf|stuff | The point is, neither of these ideas are particularly new |
| 07:48.46 | sarf|stuff | If <CP>% is too much, make it <CP/2>% |
| 07:48.50 | sarf|stuff | It *would* be used |
| 07:48.55 | Codayus | The problem is, rogues are strong enough that I doubt much will happen. If it's not totally broken, they won't fix it. |
| 07:49.10 | sarf|stuff | I know, unfortunately. |
| 07:49.36 | sarf|stuff | It would be better if they found some way to scale up Eviscerate without making it Weapon Damage based |
| 07:50.21 | Codayus | Could steal the warrior bloodthirst mechanism, and make it do a % of AP? |
| 07:50.41 | sarf|stuff | yah... that might work |
| 07:51.07 | sarf|stuff | But even making a new Rupture that did <mob health %> damage or something... |
| 07:51.20 | Kalroth | In that case Evisc should be 5% of base attack power! |
| 07:51.37 | sarf|stuff | The problem is that currently, like many other mechanics, combo points becomes all but useless at L60 vs raid content |
| 07:51.53 | sarf|stuff | Whereas before it was a very interesting thing |
| 07:52.57 | sarf|stuff | So, before you needed 4 buttons for your rogue (feint, sinister strike, eviscerate, slice 'n'dice ) you now use three, when you feel like it. Otherwise, just use two. Or even one, with a good enough Warrior (with good enough equip) |
| 07:53.26 | sarf|stuff | (note to aspiring warriors: regaining aggro without Taunt from a rogue with a Felstriker is not easy. At all) |
| 07:59.19 | Kalroth | lol |
| 08:03.41 | sarf|stuff | Now... to the bat-breakfast table! |
| 08:04.13 | zeeg | hrm |
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| 08:17.54 | Kalroth | hi zeegy |
| 08:27.27 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=1975 |
| 08:27.28 | id` | zmgo |
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| 08:30.42 | zeeg | neat |
| 08:30.42 | zeeg | does WoWI pay him? |
| 08:34.09 | Kalroth | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=825043 silly EU CMs :p |
| 08:35.38 | zeeg | http://wow.mmofiles.com/search.php?q=WoW-1.9.2 |
| 08:40.27 | id` | lol Kalroth |
| 09:12.39 | sancus | sarf: kind of funny you say "oh noes rogues are reduced to 3 buttons at raid time" when practically every class is reduced to 1 :P |
| 09:13.38 | Kalroth | hey, I use 2 buttons as a DPS warrior! Mortal Strike and .. uhmm, lemme think. |
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| 09:13.43 | Kalroth | Actually nm, only 1. :) |
| 09:15.04 | sancus | haha |
| 09:15.30 | sancus | basically all spellcasters use 1 button, no surprise people call it world of meleecraft, the melee mechanics are almost always deeper than the spellcaster ones |
| 09:16.06 | sancus | Which isn't to say that they're especially deep, but you press frostbolt enough times and you really love it when you get to play a rogue on vaelastrasz since at least you get to press more than one button |
| 09:16.49 | Kalroth | Well I've macroed ss/backstab and feint, so it's still only one button for me .. :p |
| 09:16.58 | Kalroth | (on my rouge that is) |
| 09:17.23 | sancus | well if you want to ruin it for yourself go ahead! |
| 09:18.05 | Kalroth | I'm a slacker, I use left hand to spam '1', while I hold the TV remote in right hand |
| 09:18.15 | Kalroth | That way I can watch Dallas while killing Vael |
| 09:18.25 | sancus | rofl |
| 09:19.36 | id` | lmao |
| 09:19.42 | Kalroth | I got really jealous at rogues yesterday .. the sweetest pants ever dropped from Lethon |
| 09:19.54 | Kalroth | +2% crit, +44 attack power and 20 sta |
| 09:20.06 | sancus | but yea pretty much all the wow combat mechanics are braindead |
| 09:20.18 | sancus | some a little less than others, thats about all you can say |
| 09:20.42 | sancus | supposedly you have to move around a lot more in AQ40 than in any previous raid, so I guess that's maybe-sorta a bit of a bandaid if its true, will have to see |
| 09:21.02 | Kalroth | they can't make combat hard, since there's too many casuals players in WoW |
| 09:21.10 | sancus | its about all the live team can do though |
| 09:21.16 | id` | ooo @ pants Kalroth |
| 09:21.17 | Kalroth | and yes, AQ is more than just healing MT and hitting SS/backstab |
| 09:21.20 | sancus | they dont have the resources to make combat hard even if they wanted to |
| 09:21.28 | id` | ofcource wow is braindead |
| 09:21.32 | sancus | it would take wholesale class rewrites and the live team is incapable of that |
| 09:21.44 | Kalroth | id`: http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52302 <- those |
| 09:21.53 | Kalroth | oh, +48 attack power actually |
| 09:22.15 | sancus | they could make combat harder in raids without making it much harder for casuals, it already is for some classes |
| 09:22.32 | sancus | f ex paladins become much more interesting in a raid |
| 09:23.24 | sancus | whereas the opposite is true for some other classes, mages, priests, rogues all become much less interesting |
| 09:23.45 | Kalroth | I'm glad I play horde side :) At least the majority of (pve focused) shamans realise that their healing is worth much more than their dps |
| 09:24.00 | sancus | yea, but Paladins go beyond shaman |
| 09:24.04 | sancus | they're the only true support class in WoW |
| 09:24.17 | Kalroth | We don't get many cleansebot whines; "EYE CAN DO DEE PEE ESS 2!" :P |
| 09:24.27 | sancus | they're a gigantic force multiplier |
| 09:24.46 | Kalroth | Paladins are imba support classes and gimped in everything else :) |
| 09:24.50 | sancus | shaman and priests are just little jokes standing on the sidelines comparatively |
| 09:24.54 | sancus | nah not anymore |
| 09:25.01 | sancus | they can rape dps-wise, relative to their survivability |
| 09:25.07 | zespri|log | any one knows what does PNJ means? (it's a wow related acronim) |
| 09:25.30 | Kalroth | sancus: as long as they do it solo, fine with me :) |
| 09:25.39 | id` | wow is os braindead theres conflicts by the casual gamer lvl 60 people and the hardcore raiders lvl 60 people |
| 09:25.40 | sancus | I guess you haven't seen Paladins who can judge seal of command on you you for over 1k without critting. |
| 09:25.51 | Kalroth | or in pvp, but a dps shaman/paladin in pve is just a waste of a raid slot |
| 09:25.52 | id` | the casual lvl 6's are too shit to raid and get items and be happy |
| 09:26.00 | sancus | sortof |
| 09:26.16 | sancus | a dps paladin can still heal pretty well, but they can actually kill people now, so they can be quite dangerous as long as they don't slack on their healing duties |
| 09:26.35 | sancus | Someone who can throw out a heal and turn around and burst 3k damage in 2 seconds, then go invulnerable, is quite frightening |
| 09:26.43 | id` | indeed |
| 09:26.45 | id` | ;p |
| 09:26.53 | sancus | and yes, paladins exist who can burst 3k damage in 2 seconds now |
| 09:26.55 | id` | but paladin is an evil class in any game |
| 09:26.57 | id` | DaoC |
| 09:26.58 | Kalroth | but that's the problem, a dps shaman/paladin is usually getting a hard on from their 3 digit damage numbers, so they're too busy to heal |
| 09:26.59 | id` | etc |
| 09:27.10 | sancus | shrug |
| 09:27.29 | sancus | thats just stupidity, and its unlikely someone that dumb will be properly min/maxed for any role in the first place |
| 09:28.05 | Kalroth | which is dandy if they're solo or pvping, but if we wipe on Nef because 3 shamans are meleeing him, then it affects me :) |
| 09:28.27 | sancus | if a shaman in a pvp raid is too dumb to heal the mage at 500 hps because he's "too busy dpsing" |
| 09:28.28 | Kalroth | if you want to play a DPS class, make a rogue or mage |
| 09:28.35 | sancus | then he doesnt belong in any raid group I'm in, for sure |
| 09:28.43 | pagefault | I am a cloth class |
| 09:28.46 | pagefault | I nuke people |
| 09:28.47 | sancus | he belongs in the newb pug that we're crushing without a single death |
| 09:28.52 | pagefault | then get ganked by a rogue/hunter shot |
| 09:28.57 | pagefault | it's fun though |
| 09:29.17 | Kalroth | sancus: I know it's a general statement, but we've been through a lot of shamans and either they're focused on healing or they don't work in a raid, it's as simple as that |
| 09:29.23 | Kalroth | it's two different kinds of mentality |
| 09:29.33 | sancus | I don't really agree |
| 09:29.44 | sancus | if you have people stuck in one mentality, your raid group probably isn't much good anyway |
| 09:29.46 | pagefault | is this raid a pug? |
| 09:30.02 | Kalroth | uhm no, we clear MC/BWL weekly |
| 09:30.10 | sancus | thats nice |
| 09:30.28 | Kalroth | like I said, it's pve only, I couldn't care less for pvp in wow |
| 09:30.30 | pagefault | I have never been in BWL |
| 09:30.30 | sancus | so do we, and I dont consider BWL a challenge |
| 09:30.33 | pagefault | that place scares me |
| 09:30.35 | sancus | its a joke |
| 09:30.36 | sancus | honestly |
| 09:30.50 | Kalroth | I said we clear it, I didn't say we farm it :) |
| 09:30.59 | pagefault | I took the pvp route and got all that |
| 09:31.00 | Kalroth | but yes, apart from the randomness of Vael, it's easy |
| 09:31.02 | sancus | we have 20 nef kills |
| 09:31.06 | pagefault | now my guild is going to raid for MC and BWL stuff |
| 09:31.08 | id` | pvp in wow is pretty fun. ill like it better then pve i know for sure |
| 09:31.17 | sancus | to be entirely honest, none of them were hard |
| 09:31.29 | id` | you get to play CTF and omination for christs sake! |
| 09:31.31 | id` | :P |
| 09:31.35 | Kalroth | pvp in wow is utterly dull, there's zero point to it |
| 09:31.37 | id` | Domination* |
| 09:31.39 | sancus | it was just a matter of waiting for people to wake the fuck up and do what they're supposed to, inflexible people take longer to do that |
| 09:31.40 | Kalroth | unless you like faction farming |
| 09:31.59 | id` | to be honest, they can immensely expand pvp |
| 09:32.03 | sancus | oh I agree, pvp is fairly pointless |
| 09:32.11 | id` | make battlegrounds with keeps and siege weapons |
| 09:32.15 | id` | like in DaoC |
| 09:32.16 | Kalroth | sancus: well you can still get unlucky with 4-5 healers getting BA in the first minute of Vael |
| 09:32.18 | id` | <33 DaoC |
| 09:32.24 | pagefault | id`, they tried that with AV |
| 09:32.27 | sancus | eh that doesnt really matter |
| 09:32.30 | id` | AV? |
| 09:32.30 | sancus | should still be able to kill him |
| 09:32.37 | pagefault | alterac valley |
| 09:32.43 | sancus | we havent wiped on vael in 6 weeks, and the last wipe I recall |
| 09:32.44 | pagefault | but it needs more work |
| 09:32.59 | sancus | was totally our fault, wasnt random luck, it was some dumbass new person pulling aggro or something |
| 09:33.27 | pagefault | I pvp pretty much all the time |
| 09:33.31 | pagefault | other than that, farming |
| 09:33.38 | pagefault | my guild is still getting ready to raid |
| 09:33.41 | pagefault | which will be interesting |
| 09:34.09 | sancus | pvp is pretty meh, I dont do much, in fact I haven't ever been in AB |
| 09:34.22 | pagefault | I like pvp |
| 09:34.25 | pagefault | more excitement for me |
| 09:34.27 | sancus | Mostly, it's hard to find people worth fighting |
| 09:34.41 | Kalroth | I'm honored with WSG and AV, friendly with AB .. it's just more boring than pve to me :) |
| 09:34.42 | sancus | if our guild goes in, we win, the end, within an hour for AV, within 10 minutes in WSG |
| 09:34.48 | pagefault | well most times I pvp we are all organized and know what to do so we dominate them |
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| 09:34.59 | id` | pagefault: im a low level newbie |
| 09:35.00 | id` | :p[ |
| 09:35.06 | id` | my highest is lv 20 |
| 09:35.07 | Kalroth | either it's a huge zerg or it's gimps that go "but ur in teh epix, so u cheet" :) |
| 09:35.08 | id` | 21* |
| 09:35.22 | pagefault | hehe |
| 09:35.23 | sancus | nobody can stand up against a 15 or 20-man group with full Tier 2 sets led by an Ashkandi wielding BWL-geared dps warrior |
| 09:35.28 | id` | i like being noob |
| 09:35.32 | sancus | except a comparable group |
| 09:35.36 | Kalroth | wtb asscandy drops! |
| 09:35.38 | sancus | and I havent seen one yet |
| 09:35.43 | Kalroth | I'm "stuck" with DTC :p |
| 09:36.01 | pagefault | we fight BWL guys all the time in the battlegrounds |
| 09:36.08 | pagefault | but most of us have pvp gear or MC gear |
| 09:36.25 | pagefault | but the guys suck, they may have the bling bling but no skills |
| 09:36.35 | sancus | there isnt much skill to wow pvp honestly |
| 09:36.40 | sancus | its mainly some simple organization |
| 09:36.54 | sancus | I dont see how someone who's beaten BWL could fail at the simplistic pvp organization unless they just dont care |
| 09:37.03 | Kalroth | exactly sancus :) |
| 09:37.14 | Kalroth | it's not that hard, heal melee, CC their healers, move along |
| 09:37.18 | Kalroth | :p |
| 09:37.27 | sancus | and I mean |
| 09:37.50 | pagefault | they don't do that |
| 09:37.54 | pagefault | which is why we win |
| 09:37.54 | sancus | its not really satisfying |
| 09:38.04 | Kalroth | oh btw, I gotta flex! I did 115k damage during Nef phase 1 yesterday, new record for me! :P |
| 09:38.36 | sancus | well see that's why I said, a raid with people stuck on fixed mentalities isnt as good with people who can adapt to the circumstances |
| 09:39.17 | sancus | heh |
| 09:39.24 | pagefault | what classification is the pvp gear |
| 09:39.42 | sancus | its equivalent to MC gear, well beneath BWL and AQ gear |
| 09:39.54 | pagefault | ah |
| 09:39.55 | sancus | I dont run damagemeters anymore so I don't see damage till the end |
| 09:40.06 | pagefault | yeah I just wondered |
| 09:40.11 | sancus | I think I did 284k last nef |
| 09:40.16 | pagefault | I am almost full pvp armor now |
| 09:40.23 | sancus | but its better than MC gear for pvp |
| 09:40.24 | pagefault | and I just wondered how it was vs the MC guys |
| 09:40.27 | sancus | because its optimized specifically for pvp |
| 09:40.33 | sancus | so for example it has a lot more stam than the MC gear |
| 09:40.39 | sancus | but almost no pve stats(spirit, mana regen, etc) |
| 09:40.56 | pagefault | I love my gloves |
| 09:41.06 | sancus | for melee, pvp gear has less dps stats and more stam mostly |
| 09:41.13 | pagefault | 50% chance to resist interruption to casting searing pain |
| 09:41.18 | id` | i love to solo with my lv 19 warrior in wsg |
| 09:41.25 | id` | shawodmeld, maim, KILL |
| 09:41.27 | id` | ke ke |
| 09:41.28 | id` | @ flag |
| 09:42.01 | Kalroth | sancus: well perfect would be that hybrid classes can switch between both dps and support quickly, but in reality it's only a very few players that can master it :) |
| 09:42.03 | sancus | ah, warlock, well you'll certainly have lots of hitpoints :p but pvp caster gear doesnt have a lot of damage on it |
| 09:42.04 | pagefault | or if you are ne hunter in AB, shadowmeld and wait around to run to the flag |
| 09:42.05 | pagefault | then shoot |
| 09:42.08 | pagefault | easy kill |
| 09:42.38 | id` | only been in wsg yet |
| 09:42.43 | id` | almost rank 2 :< |
| 09:42.46 | Kalroth | sancus: and then there's the gear issue .. it's not easy for a shaman to switch to healing gear after he's been dps in Nef phase 1 .. or a dps warrior switching to tanking gear |
| 09:42.58 | sancus | well |
| 09:42.58 | pagefault | I love my WSG rewards so far |
| 09:43.06 | pagefault | rune of perfection |
| 09:43.09 | sancus | our main dps warrior is also *always* the secondary tank on boss fights |
| 09:43.11 | id` | rewards? |
| 09:43.11 | pagefault | nice for pvp |
| 09:43.27 | pagefault | you get rewards for each faction based on your level |
| 09:43.32 | id` | when |
| 09:43.41 | pagefault | starting at friendly |
| 09:43.41 | Kalroth | sancus: well if he dps'ing in Wrath, then it's gimped dps .. and if he's tanking in dps gear, then it's gimped tanking |
| 09:43.43 | id` | i collect those tablet things tht get you xp |
| 09:43.45 | sancus | no |
| 09:43.47 | id` | because i dont want to level |
| 09:43.49 | Kalroth | yes :) |
| 09:43.51 | sancus | he has a full set of dps gear and a full set of tanking gear |
| 09:44.02 | Kalroth | sancus: he can't switch in the middle of the fight though |
| 09:44.06 | sancus | no of course not |
| 09:44.12 | Kalroth | that's what I mean |
| 09:44.22 | sancus | he dpses on trash and boss fights where an OT isnt needed, and tanks on fights where he is needed to do so |
| 09:44.27 | id` | daoc pvp still the best game for pvp |
| 09:44.28 | id` | :p |
| 09:44.29 | pagefault | well you get rep for being in the game as well |
| 09:44.39 | id` | well not the pvp servers |
| 09:44.44 | id` | realm vs realm... |
| 09:44.53 | Kalroth | sancus: that's what I do too, but I'm expected to do DPS since we got a few prot spec MTs already |
| 09:45.00 | id` | you get big ass castles and siege weapons and all |
| 09:45.09 | Kalroth | but on some encounters I'm using tank gear though, Broodlord |
| 09:45.11 | sancus | we only have one prot spec warrior, our MT |
| 09:45.18 | sancus | frankly, anything more than that is such a waste |
| 09:45.22 | sancus | prot sucks :( |
| 09:45.25 | Kalroth | we got 3 in guild, but usually 2 on raid |
| 09:45.46 | pagefault | we have like 6 now |
| 09:45.54 | pagefault | not sure what to do about it |
| 09:45.57 | Kalroth | and yeah, the more DPS warriors the better ;) |
| 09:46.04 | sancus | last raid we had 9 warriors |
| 09:46.04 | Kalroth | prot spec is nice when you learn stuff though |
| 09:46.13 | sancus | stuff went down really..really fast |
| 09:46.13 | Kalroth | it's hard tanking Onyxia with 31/20 for the first time :p |
| 09:46.19 | sancus | especially when 7/9 of those are in BWL gear |
| 09:46.23 | Kalroth | sancus: dps warriors are imba :p |
| 09:46.25 | sancus | and two of them with Ashkandi |
| 09:46.37 | sancus | oh yeah I know |
| 09:46.39 | sancus | and the devs know too |
| 09:46.52 | Kalroth | :( |
| 09:47.06 | sancus | but they take their time in deciding how to solve problems |
| 09:47.22 | sancus | In fact, who knows, it might be one of those "yea its a problem but THE HOLY EXPANSION will solve it." |
| 09:47.33 | Kalroth | hey, it's not a problem! :P |
| 09:47.54 | sancus | yea it is |
| 09:48.01 | sancus | not a high priority one, but it's one |
| 09:49.54 | sancus | anyway I wouldn't worry about it, when you look at the general board and the shrillest cries are "warriors two shot me", then you'll know that the next patch is going to nerf you |
| 09:50.06 | sancus | until then, someone else's head is on the chopping block first |
| 09:52.16 | Kalroth | clothies always whine :P |
| 09:55.40 | sancus | yea but right now the loudest whines are about mages one shotting people, hint hint, who do you think is going to be nerfed in 1.10? |
| 10:12.08 | Wobin_ | anyone know of a good hat for a level 50 priest? |
| 10:12.20 | Wobin_ | one that might be a drop form an instance or something |
| 10:15.47 | id` | < Kalroth> clothies always whine :P |
| 10:15.48 | id` | so true |
| 10:15.50 | id` | any game |
| 10:16.05 | id` | hm reminds me of a nasty daoc class |
| 10:16.18 | id` | that had this very very powerful pbaoe spell |
| 10:16.27 | Codayus | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=17715 |
| 10:16.42 | id` | "hey look a cloth wearer running towards us plated guys he must be crazy!" |
| 10:16.54 | id` | BAGN nuke that PBAoE all dead lol |
| 10:17.43 | Codayus | Wobin_: Probably the best priest head piece on offer at your lvl. |
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| 10:19.15 | id` | oh noes |
| 10:19.18 | id` | all shh hes back |
| 10:19.28 | id` | its the zeet gangster |
| 10:24.25 | Wobin_ | Codayus: Hrm, I was looking at http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=10751 |
| 10:24.46 | Wobin_ | Although the fact it drops off Princess is a nice thing to note... I'm all for Princess runs |
| 10:24.49 | zeetg | lol |
| 10:24.57 | zeetg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/items/champions-dragonhide-helm-id16503 - look better? |
| 10:25.32 | Wobin_ | Well, yes. |
| 10:25.41 | Wobin_ | If I were a druid =) |
| 10:25.44 | Wobin_ | And PvP'd |
| 10:25.51 | Codayus | Wobin_: The princess is much easier. And if you don't have it yet, the princess has a good caster dagger and neck as well. |
| 10:25.54 | zeetg | err i meant design |
| 10:25.54 | zeetg | :) |
| 10:26.05 | Wobin_ | Nodnod =) |
| 10:26.46 | Codayus | In terms of stats...obviously the gemburst is better. <shrug> |
| 10:27.16 | Wobin_ | It'll actually be a bit before I can try for the Gemburst... |
| 10:27.25 | Wobin_ | A few too many quests to slog through |
| 10:28.12 | Codayus | What sort of guild support do youhave available? |
| 10:28.37 | Codayus | You can get this at lvl 55: |
| 10:28.38 | Codayus | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=13216 |
| 10:28.41 | Wobin_ | Hehe, most of my guild atm is on holidays up the coast =) |
| 10:28.51 | Wobin_ | We're a small guild =P |
| 10:29.21 | Wobin_ | Looking at spirit atm, though... |
| 10:29.34 | Wobin_ | Might change when I respec later on |
| 10:29.37 | Codayus | But you have to run stratholme. Most guilds would be happy to help you get the water - it's easily farmable. And don't be fooled by the green color, that's the best non-epic priest hat in game, as far as I'm concerned. :-) |
| 10:29.41 | Wobin_ | oooh 1.10... how I cannot wait =) |
| 10:34.18 | zeetg | grr |
| 10:34.22 | zeetg | did nayone notice changes in the wdb? |
| 10:51.38 | zeeg | because i know maldiva will ask |
| 10:51.43 | zeeg | there's an additional 4byte header now including in WDBs |
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| 11:38.40 | Violentnight | Anybody alive in here? |
| 11:41.02 | Kalroth | Define alive? |
| 11:41.20 | Violentnight | Functional enough to answer a question for moi ^_^ |
| 11:41.35 | Kalroth | d'oh |
| 11:41.52 | Violentnight | it's a simple one =) |
| 11:42.02 | Kalroth | 42! |
| 11:42.07 | Violentnight | yay thanks! |
| 11:43.29 | Violentnight | I want to iterate over a defined table's properties in order--so I have to use ipairs, right? And that checks for numerical keys in order from 1..n, so I made this table: http://wow.pastebin.com/544752 but it doesn't seem to like the numeriacl key values. |
| 11:45.36 | krka | in order? |
| 11:45.37 | Kalroth | you can't access it with Properties[1]? |
| 11:46.30 | Kalroth | and yes, in what order?:) |
| 11:47.23 | krka | order is not guaranteed at all |
| 11:48.32 | Violentnight | in order from 1 to 6 |
| 11:48.48 | Violentnight | I don't know if I can do Properties[1] 'cause it errors upon load so nothing else loads |
| 11:49.22 | Kalroth | ahh, it doesn't even load properly |
| 11:49.32 | Violentnight | correct |
| 11:49.36 | krka | hmm |
| 11:49.48 | krka | when you define Properties, the 1 is actually a string |
| 11:49.57 | Violentnight | if I change "1 =" to "bob =" then it errors at the next place I have "1 =" |
| 11:49.57 | krka | Properties["1"] should work |
| 11:50.27 | Violentnight | so all my other keys should be strings too? 'cause they don't error.. =\ |
| 11:50.36 | Kalroth | well it should be MDProds_DevTools_DEFAULTS["Properties"]["1"] though, no? |
| 11:51.39 | Violentnight | I changed it to "1" = and it still gives the same error |
| 11:51.55 | Violentnight | *poof* |
| 11:51.57 | Kalroth | d'oh |
| 11:52.16 | Kalroth | I found it :p |
| 11:52.24 | Kalroth | on line 59, remove the last , |
| 11:52.31 | Kalroth | well 57, 58 and 59 |
| 11:52.34 | Kalroth | I think? |
| 11:53.02 | Violentnight | if I change Colors to "Colors" then I get an error on that.. lol |
| 11:53.23 | Violentnight | all the tables end with a comma.. but I'll try |
| 11:53.32 | Kalroth | table = { colours = (), props = {} } <- wouldn't this be a proper syntax? |
| 11:54.08 | AnduinLothar | MobileFrames v3.0 for those interested: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=408 |
| 11:54.08 | Violentnight | emm.. no? lol |
| 11:54.11 | Kalroth | maybe I'm just not lua'fied enough yet, but in the other languages I know the comma always indicates that something follows |
| 11:54.18 | id` | ebg13 vf sha |
| 11:54.44 | Violentnight | Kalroth: yeah, but some languages allow for an extra comma so that you can more easily add something else afterwards--I think LUA does, but I'm not 100% positive |
| 11:54.46 | id` | qba'g lbh guvax? |
| 11:55.01 | Violentnight | id`: speak'um english |
| 11:55.32 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.59 | id` | ^_________^ |
| 11:56.10 | Violentnight | The lua docs show numbers as keys, but in a different structure that'd take 10x as long to type out : http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#2.5.6 |
| 11:56.45 | Kalroth | Violentnight: http://wow.pastebin.com/544765 is how I'd structure it |
| 11:57.22 | weab | <Violentnight> Kalroth: yeah, but some languages allow for an extra comma so that you can more easily add something else afterwards--I think LUA does, but I'm not 100% positive |
| 11:57.24 | weab | it does |
| 11:57.29 | Kalroth | ok :) |
| 11:57.35 | Kalroth | then it's something else :p |
| 11:57.48 | Violentnight | lol |
| 11:58.36 | Violentnight | so what the smuggle is wrong |
| 11:59.48 | weab | what is it you're trying to do |
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| 12:00.04 | Violentnight | http://wow.pastebin.com/544752 |
| 12:00.13 | Violentnight | figure out why it's not letting a number be a key |
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| 12:00.35 | Kalroth | do you really need those numbers? it indexes the data automatically |
| 12:00.42 | Kalroth | > t = { 3,6,9 } -- is the same as... |
| 12:00.42 | Kalroth | > t = { [1]=3, [2]=6, [3]=9 } -- is the same as... |
| 12:01.17 | Kalroth | Violentnight: Try putting quotes around Colors and Properties |
| 12:01.24 | Kalroth | "Colors" and "Properties" |
| 12:01.39 | Violentnight | I did.. then it errors on line 2 |
| 12:01.56 | Violentnight | I don't need the numbers.. no. I didn't know it automatically indexed them |
| 12:02.13 | Violentnight | but then how would I write it? The same way it is now minus the 'n ='? |
| 12:02.18 | id` | {{},{},{}} |
| 12:02.49 | id` | start to see the prettyness of lua? :-) |
| 12:02.52 | weab | [1] = { blah } |
| 12:03.07 | id` | {{blah}} |
| 12:03.28 | Violentnight | oh yes.. {{blah}} is so pretty |
| 12:03.41 | Violentnight | yay no errors |
| 12:03.46 | id` | ;) |
| 12:03.46 | Kalroth | http://wow.pastebin.com/544777 would do it, I imagine, but again, I'm no lua expert:p |
| 12:03.57 | id` | {[1] = {blah}} <-- ugly |
| 12:04.08 | weab | yes |
| 12:04.26 | Violentnight | meh.. I like defining the key explicity |
| 12:04.35 | id` | you also dont need "" around Properties and Colors |
| 12:04.36 | id` | :p |
| 12:04.45 | Violentnight | I know.. it errored when I put in quotes |
| 12:04.49 | Kalroth | oh |
| 12:04.57 | Kalroth | did the [] fix it? |
| 12:05.09 | Violentnight | so... if instead of 1 =, I said bob = .. would it still automatically index it somehow? Or would I then not be able to use ipairs()? |
| 12:05.14 | wereHamster | table indices.. either do { Colors = { ... } } or { ["Colors"] = { ... } } but { "Colors" = { ... } } will give you an error |
| 12:05.23 | Kalroth | okay ;) |
| 12:05.54 | Violentnight | (and changed all the 'n =' |
| 12:06.00 | Violentnight | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.47 | id` | eh |
| 12:06.49 | id` | wich n = ? |
| 12:08.00 | Violentnight | all of 'em.... I took everyplace that had 'n =' and removed that so that it would automatically index them. If instead of removing it, I changed the number to be some string.. would it still index them so that I could use ipairs()? I'm not going to do that--but I'm curious |
| 12:08.53 | Violentnight | like right now.. I have Colors and Properties as being tables within the DevTools_Defaults table.. are they indexed numerically as well so that using ipairs() would give me Colors and then Properties? Or, since they're strings, do I have to use pairs() and get them fed back to me randomly? |
| 12:09.04 | weab | i think he's saying, if [1] = turned into ["worthless_string"] = |
| 12:09.22 | Violentnight | yeah |
| 12:09.42 | Kalroth | you can get index both by name and numerical index, no? |
| 12:10.08 | Kalroth | eg. MDProds_DevTools_DEFAULTS[1] is the same as MDProds_DevTools_DEFAULTS["Colors"] |
| 12:10.24 | Violentnight | yeah.. that's what I'm askin! lol |
| 12:11.03 | id` | http://wow.pastebin.com/544788 |
| 12:11.08 | krka | wrong |
| 12:11.16 | id` | last table elements dont need a , |
| 12:11.21 | id` | ; are obsolete |
| 12:11.27 | Kalroth | id, we've already been through that :P |
| 12:11.33 | id` | well i corrected it |
| 12:11.35 | id` | :p |
| 12:11.36 | Kalroth | was my first comment too, but lua doesn't mind it |
| 12:11.41 | id` | i know |
| 12:11.47 | weab | its not wrong |
| 12:12.06 | Kalroth | it's wrong in all other languages I know ;) |
| 12:12.07 | id` | but having an arguement that ; improves readability is false, because one line on one statement does that already |
| 12:12.53 | weab | depends on who you ask and what the person's comfortable with ;\ |
| 12:12.54 | Violentnight | I didn't use semicolons anywhere.. and I like having the commas at the end so that I don't have to add them should I ever need to add more keys |
| 12:13.28 | weab | i tend to not use the semicolons either, though i do often put in the last comma |
| 12:13.35 | Violentnight | and Col stands for Column, not Colors, in my mind.. so you totally destroyed my work! *cries* |
| 12:13.36 | weab | especially if i expect the table to expand |
| 12:13.48 | Violentnight | yay weab! |
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| 12:14.20 | id` | Violentnight: call it rgb |
| 12:14.21 | id` | :p |
| 12:14.41 | Violentnight | but they're not rgb pairs.. they're hexadecimal strings |
| 12:14.59 | weab | hell |
| 12:15.03 | id` | they are hexadecimal rgb pairs |
| 12:15.03 | Kalroth | I prefer bgr! |
| 12:15.09 | weab | if you open up one of your handy saved variables files |
| 12:15.10 | Violentnight | lol |
| 12:15.19 | weab | you'll see the tables it saves has extranious commas ;p |
| 12:15.32 | Violentnight | woohoo! |
| 12:15.33 | id` | weab: :( |
| 12:15.44 | Kalroth | weab: If you log into WoW you'll see plenty of bugs, does that mean they were intended too? :p |
| 12:15.45 | id` | bet i could regex that out with my editor hehe |
| 12:15.52 | id` | Kalroth: owned |
| 12:15.53 | id` | :D |
| 12:16.04 | weab | that's hardly a bug |
| 12:16.38 | Violentnight | hey.. Moss Creepers don't count as game bugs! |
| 12:16.42 | Kalroth | if you ask Blizzard, then they don't have bugs either, only software that isn't always doing what they wanted it to do! |
| 12:17.04 | id` | moss creepers are plants |
| 12:17.29 | Violentnight | Microsoft refers to their bugs as 'undocumented features' ... and they'll get very pissy and yell at you if you say otherwise |
| 12:17.50 | weab | if you want to get picky about what is and isnt necessary |
| 12:17.52 | id` | spiders arent bugs |
| 12:17.59 | weab | just go ahead and put all your mods on 1 line of code |
| 12:18.03 | id` | haha sorry im feeling very bastardous today |
| 12:18.04 | id` | :X |
| 12:18.08 | Violentnight | lol |
| 12:18.11 | weab | its possible, and those carriage returns arent needed |
| 12:18.14 | weab | so you shouldnt have them |
| 12:18.21 | weab | its unnecessary and a bug! |
| 12:18.25 | id` | weab: ggjG |
| 12:18.27 | id` | and im done |
| 12:18.30 | id` | all on one line |
| 12:18.31 | id` | :p |
| 12:18.32 | krka | i remove all unnecessary whitespace as a part of my build-process |
| 12:18.43 | id` | o wait thats wrong, hmm |
| 12:18.45 | id` | w/e |
| 12:18.50 | Violentnight | ggjG? |
| 12:19.17 | id` | in my editor wich is modal, the mode you are in when not inserting text handles keystrokes as commands/objects |
| 12:19.23 | Violentnight | butwhitespaceisveryimportanttoallowreadabilityforothersthatmaywanttoalteryouraddon |
| 12:19.24 | id` | dw delete word |
| 12:19.27 | id` | etc |
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| 12:19.48 | Violentnight | nifty |
| 12:19.53 | id` | www.vim.org |
| 12:20.01 | Violentnight | so what's ggjG? |
| 12:20.02 | id` | #vim |
| 12:20.09 | id` | i was wrong, i meant J |
| 12:20.13 | id` | gg means move to top |
| 12:20.16 | id` | G means move to bottom |
| 12:20.30 | id` | J merges two lines with 1 space in between |
| 12:20.40 | Violentnight | oh.. lol |
| 12:20.41 | Violentnight | nice |
| 12:20.44 | id` | JG means from the current location to the bottom |
| 12:21.08 | Violentnight | that must take awhile to learn |
| 12:21.13 | id` | yes |
| 12:21.32 | id` | you move not with the arrow keys but with h j k l |
| 12:21.36 | id` | :p |
| 12:21.43 | id` | most people fall over that |
| 12:21.59 | Violentnight | hjkl? but they're not even in an arrow-type pattern |
| 12:22.03 | id` | s/fall over/fail to learn/ |
| 12:22.15 | id` | but they are directly under your fingers |
| 12:22.23 | id` | meaning you wont have to move your whole hand to the arrow keys |
| 12:22.38 | Violentnight | so are jikl |
| 12:22.47 | id` | i means insert |
| 12:22.47 | Violentnight | and they make a funny word |
| 12:22.58 | Violentnight | kol; |
| 12:23.16 | id` | make a suggestion in #vim |
| 12:23.27 | id` | youll so egt the poopoo stick |
| 12:23.29 | id` | :P |
| 12:23.32 | Violentnight | lol |
| 12:23.38 | Violentnight | yay poop! |
| 12:23.54 | id` | righto back to work 4 me |
| 12:23.57 | id` | bbl |
| 12:24.00 | Violentnight | me too |
| 12:24.06 | Violentnight | thanks for the help, everyone! |
| 12:24.17 | id` | on behalf of everyone, np |
| 12:24.20 | id` | ;D |
| 12:24.22 | Violentnight | haha |
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| 12:25.55 | Violentnight | oh wait.. another question! |
| 12:27.11 | id` | lmao |
| 12:27.13 | Violentnight | if umm... how would I implement the "defaults" table? like.. register VARIABLES_LOADED and then when that happens, would I have to make some funky loop to go through it and if it's not set in the saved table then add it? |
| 12:27.33 | id` | use ace |
| 12:27.34 | id` | :p |
| 12:27.37 | id` | handles that for you |
| 12:27.46 | Violentnight | all the addons I was lookin at were doin like if (val) == nil then val = default.. yadda yadda.. times 100 |
| 12:27.56 | id` | o thats just wrong |
| 12:28.05 | id` | if not val then val == |
| 12:28.09 | Violentnight | I'm not using silly ace just for that! ... but, I will steal their code |
| 12:28.09 | id` | :p |
| 12:28.17 | Violentnight | you mean = :p |
| 12:28.24 | id` | typo |
| 12:28.29 | Violentnight | sure sure |
| 12:28.31 | id` | Violentnight: then use it for more |
| 12:28.41 | Violentnight | but that requires learning Ace |
| 12:28.49 | id` | wich is not a bad thing |
| 12:28.50 | Violentnight | I hate dependencies |
| 12:28.56 | id` | o why |
| 12:29.28 | Violentnight | 'cause then when you want to toggle an addon, you have to toggle two addons! and they add an entry to your addon list that isn't really an addon |
| 12:30.06 | id` | but if 12 of your addons use it and it eases the wriging updating and bug fixing of your addon making youll think differently |
| 12:30.11 | id` | writing8 |
| 12:30.13 | Violentnight | and I hear not so kind things abotu teh people from Ace |
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| 12:30.29 | id` | then the people that tell you so are not so kind |
| 12:30.38 | Violentnight | s/abotu teh/about the |
| 12:30.47 | id` | i like abotu teh better |
| 12:30.50 | id` | :D |
| 12:30.51 | Violentnight | lol |
| 12:31.25 | id` | sec fetching url |
| 12:31.31 | Violentnight | Alright.. I'll try to learn Ace.. but don't blame me when I come back here in 5 minutes asking for more help =P |
| 12:31.44 | id` | http://industrial.wowinterface.com/portal.php |
| 12:31.48 | id` | Violentnight: ##ace |
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| 12:31.55 | id` | read my intro |
| 12:32.03 | id` | im not part of an ace team or whatever |
| 12:32.10 | id` | ace just fits that completely |
| 12:32.11 | id` | :P |
| 12:32.50 | clad|work | VK: You can just use metatables proper and have no issue with defaults. |
| 12:33.33 | Violentnight | Well what good is Ace if it won't make me blueberry waffles? dammit... |
| 12:33.33 | clad|work | =) |
| 12:33.33 | id` | clad|work wins |
| 12:33.33 | Violentnight | I haven't learned metatables too well yet |
| 12:33.33 | clad|work | VK: here's a VERY simple example |
| 12:33.33 | clad|work | you can look into why it works in a second |
| 12:33.35 | id` | they arent hard, read lua-users.org tutorials :) |
| 12:33.48 | clad|work | You declare AddOnOptions as a SavedVariable. |
| 12:34.00 | clad|work | then register for "ADDON_LOADED" or "VARIABLES_LOADED" |
| 12:34.05 | clad|work | on that.. you do the following |
| 12:34.24 | clad|work | say you have a default table that has {option1 = true, option2 = nil, option3 = true} |
| 12:34.45 | clad|work | setmetatable(AddOnOptions, {__index=DefaultTableName}) |
| 12:35.05 | clad|work | once you've done that.. AddOnOptions[option1] == true, AddOnOption[option2] == nil and AddOnOption[option3] == true |
| 12:35.28 | clad|work | The only tricky thing, is when settings changes, you want to compare them against the defaults to decide whether to save them or not. |
| 12:35.30 | Violentnight | wow.. that's so much easier than learning Ace |
| 12:35.42 | clad|work | any index that is nil in AddOnOptions is looked up in the __index table of the metatable. |
| 12:35.43 | Violentnight | oi! |
| 12:35.46 | clad|work | lol |
| 12:35.55 | clad|work | metatables can get sticky.. but they're very powerful |
| 12:36.12 | clad|work | I can probably whip up some examples once I get to work that display the advanced stuff you need to consider, the tricky stuff. |
| 12:36.20 | clad|work | but Ace is a good thing to look at as well, depending on your coding style |
| 12:36.45 | Violentnight | So if the user wants to change option1 to false.. I'd see if false is the default value in the defaults table..? why? |
| 12:38.07 | clad|work | well look at this |
| 12:38.41 | clad|work | if the user sets option1 to TRUE>. you compare it to the default, and if its the default.. set it to NIL so it falls through and you dont save it to SV (Saves space) |
| 12:38.59 | clad|work | If the user sets option1 to FALSE, you set it to FALSE in your SV instead of nil (most poeple would use nil here-- but nil falls through) |
| 12:39.01 | clad|work | make sense? |
| 12:39.43 | Violentnight | yes; however, if in a later version of the addon, I decide that another value would be a better default--then the user's settings break |
| 12:40.23 | id` | plan, design, create |
| 12:40.28 | clad|work | nope |
| 12:40.35 | clad|work | you can write aone-time conversion |
| 12:40.43 | clad|work | and yes, you're correct.. but thats the beauty it doens't matter |
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| 12:41.09 | clad|work | you have a validation routine (the one that sets the metatable) and you can check the values and swap them there if you need to |
| 12:41.22 | clad|work | k i have to run to work |
| 12:41.33 | clad|work | cladhaire@gmail.com http://www.wowace.com or wherever and i'll try to get an example up |
| 12:41.34 | clad|work | peace =) |
| 12:41.34 | Violentnight | alrighty.. thanks |
| 12:41.43 | Violentnight | take care |
| 12:43.09 | clad|work | hahaha |
| 12:43.11 | clad|work | check the PIL |
| 12:43.15 | clad|work | lua.org/pil |
| 12:43.17 | clad|work | it explains many things. |
| 12:43.19 | id` | and lua-users.org |
| 12:43.21 | id` | :p |
| 12:43.51 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 12:44.00 | Violentnight | will do.. eventually... bookmarked 'em both |
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| 12:44.59 | Violentnight | all you people with 'K' names sound Klingon |
| 12:45.05 | id` | stupid islamic farmers in their 'islamic example'-society-countries |
| 12:45.30 | Violentnight | Islam has WoW sweatshops too? |
| 12:45.30 | id` | religion is a personal matter, take it up personal with the danish magazine! |
| 12:46.14 | [MoonWolf] | yeah we all did |
| 12:46.35 | id` | what? read the news |
| 12:46.49 | [MoonWolf] | no we all fell off the sanity train |
| 12:46.52 | id` | 8/10 articles are about some stupid people doing stupid things to other stupid people. |
| 12:47.43 | Violentnight | that's exactly why I don't read the news |
| 12:47.50 | krka | i recent that1 |
| 12:48.03 | Violentnight | you recent that? |
| 12:48.16 | krka | <Violentnight> all you people with 'K' names sound Klingon |
| 12:48.26 | id` | karr khah! |
| 12:48.28 | id` | :p |
| 12:48.29 | Violentnight | ooooooooh you resent that! |
| 12:48.35 | krka | DOH |
| 12:48.38 | krka | i suck at english |
| 12:48.56 | Violentnight | I was like.. wtf? I was going to direct you to the definition of recent |
| 12:48.58 | id` | kahh tron! |
| 12:49.00 | krka | i blame my bad cold |
| 12:49.19 | id` | wefwent? |
| 12:49.20 | id` | :p |
| 12:49.21 | Violentnight | Krka: that's okay.. I'm sure your Klingon is spectacular ^_^ j/k |
| 12:49.30 | krka | thanks id, my next orc will be called karrkhah or something |
| 12:49.34 | id` | \o/ |
| 12:49.42 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 12:49.52 | id` | i made this stick figure with a tail saying Mok rah! |
| 12:50.01 | id` | he danced |
| 12:50.02 | id` | wheee |
| 12:50.06 | id` | k back to work |
| 12:51.04 | Violentnight | lol |
| 12:51.11 | Violentnight | the tail spoke? |
| 12:51.18 | id` | no |
| 12:51.31 | id` | he brushed his tail, with a cactus |
| 12:52.04 | id` | ~:)-|-< |
| 12:52.06 | id` | see, thats him |
| 12:52.13 | Violentnight | I don't see a tail |
| 12:52.24 | id` | yes u do |
| 12:52.28 | Violentnight | lol |
| 12:52.41 | Violentnight | no.. I'm pretty sure I don't |
| 12:52.49 | id` | the third one |
| 12:52.50 | id` | zing |
| 12:52.51 | id` | red |
| 12:53.01 | Violentnight | though he does have an odd obtrustion jutting out of his head |
| 12:53.57 | [MoonWolf] | id`, go work or something :P |
| 12:54.22 | id` | flop! |
| 12:54.44 | Violentnight | I don't think work is going to help him... perhaps a little blue pill would though |
| 12:54.54 | id` | noooo |
| 12:54.57 | id` | take the red pill! |
| 12:55.02 | Violentnight | lol |
| 12:56.18 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3695 |
| 12:56.20 | id` | more feedback! |
| 12:58.29 | id` | Violentnight: i was just going to say /me want a lollipop |
| 12:58.33 | id` | Violentnight: you read my mind |
| 12:58.42 | Violentnight | <----- psycho! |
| 12:58.47 | id` | Violentnight is scary! :( |
| 12:59.12 | id` | ~~ brainwave ~~(o_X)~~ |
| 12:59.15 | Violentnight | Question Time: I want to use string.format() with an unknown number of arguments--how could I do that? |
| 12:59.33 | id` | string.format(yourstring) |
| 12:59.36 | id` | oh |
| 12:59.41 | id` | hmmm |
| 13:00.09 | krka | easy, put your arguments in a table |
| 13:00.09 | Violentnight | Would string.format(formatString, { arg1, arg2, arg3 }) magically work? |
| 13:00.24 | krka | then do string.format(formatString, unpack(args)) |
| 13:00.27 | id` | string.format(yourstring, unpack(yourargsinatable)) |
| 13:00.33 | Violentnight | ooh unpack! there's teh magic word |
| 13:00.41 | Violentnight | thank ya |
| 13:00.42 | id` | np |
| 13:00.48 | id` | aviod using it too much tho |
| 13:00.56 | Violentnight | why? |
| 13:00.57 | id` | like, in a triple loop and stuff |
| 13:01.00 | id` | gets slow |
| 13:01.03 | Violentnight | ah |
| 13:01.13 | krka | really? |
| 13:01.17 | id` | believe so |
| 13:01.42 | Violentnight | how do I unassign a table? |
| 13:01.50 | krka | unassign? |
| 13:01.58 | id` | table = nil |
| 13:02.02 | id` | it will get gc'ed |
| 13:02.23 | Violentnight | if I set it to nil, will it still be a table afterwards? Or would I use table = nil; table = {} ? |
| 13:02.29 | Violentnight | what's gc'ed? |
| 13:02.35 | id` | garbage collecting |
| 13:02.36 | Violentnight | garbage collected! |
| 13:02.37 | Violentnight | yay |
| 13:02.41 | id` | freeing up unused, unreference memory |
| 13:02.52 | id` | s/ce/ced/ |
| 13:02.57 | krka | you could do table = {} directly, no need to set it to nil in between |
| 13:03.05 | Violentnight | alrighty.. cool |
| 13:03.12 | id` | true dat |
| 13:03.18 | krka | but imo, it's better to just nil all the keys |
| 13:03.30 | krka | for k in t do t[k] = nil end |
| 13:03.39 | id` | table is only a reference to {} in the memory. if {} is not referenced to, the next gc cycle will free it up |
| 13:03.39 | krka | that way you clear the table without needing to create a new one |
| 13:04.44 | Violentnight | Does anyone else find the lua manual to be a little misleading at times? Like they have: table.insert (table, [pos,] value) which, to me, would mean that table is a variable in both instances--but it's really a constant in the first instance |
| 13:05.04 | krka | agreed |
| 13:05.22 | id` | they should have Table.insert |
| 13:05.53 | Violentnight | Table? Isn't LUA case-sensitive? |
| 13:05.54 | Kalroth | I don't agree with you, Violentnight! |
| 13:06.02 | krka | yes it is |
| 13:06.08 | Violentnight | Kalroth: that's just 'cause I called you a Klingon =P |
| 13:06.13 | id` | Violentnight: to show its not a table/object |
| 13:06.21 | Violentnight | I think just italicizing the variables would be of great help in readability |
| 13:06.48 | Violentnight | capitalizing it would make me try to use it as Table instead of table.. and get errors.. and then piss their pants and cry |
| 13:07.21 | id` | one thing i dont like about lua is that there are no prototypes |
| 13:07.32 | id` | if Table as i said it would be the prototype for tables |
| 13:07.41 | id` | .. |
| 13:08.19 | krka | you mean you want classes and objects? |
| 13:08.20 | Violentnight | 24 fresh new lines of code... what're the odds that they all work without incident? |
| 13:08.27 | [MoonWolf] | small |
| 13:08.35 | id` | no krka, something like that |
| 13:09.03 | krka | i've always considered lua to be kinda a prototyping language |
| 13:09.18 | id` | well can i do {}.insert() ? |
| 13:09.42 | krka | no |
| 13:09.56 | id` | thats what i mean |
| 13:09.56 | id` | :p |
| 13:10.08 | krka | could make your own table prototype though |
| 13:10.13 | Violentnight | id`: that would require that variables have types |
| 13:10.20 | krka | variables do have types |
| 13:10.20 | id` | Violentnight: correct |
| 13:10.41 | Violentnight | well a = 1; a = "hi"; isn't an error.. so they sorta don't |
| 13:10.45 | krka | in lua we have: nil, true, false, number, table, string |
| 13:10.46 | Violentnight | there's no checking |
| 13:10.47 | krka | and function |
| 13:11.05 | wereHamster | and thread.. |
| 13:11.06 | krka | they do have types, it's just that a variable can hold different types |
| 13:11.20 | Violentnight | yeah.. well I mean you'd have to have something like local table myTable |
| 13:11.30 | krka | you mean static typing |
| 13:11.32 | id` | variables dont hold, variables reference |
| 13:11.37 | Violentnight | yeah.. static! that's a good word |
| 13:11.38 | id` | therein lies the beauty |
| 13:11.40 | krka | not true id |
| 13:11.47 | id` | o? |
| 13:11.49 | Violentnight | only tables and functions are references |
| 13:11.56 | krka | only nil, true/false, number are not references |
| 13:11.57 | id` | eh right |
| 13:11.57 | id` | :p |
| 13:12.02 | Violentnight | lol |
| 13:12.19 | krka | static typing would be kinda good i guess |
| 13:12.34 | Violentnight | static typing slows down prototyping |
| 13:12.37 | krka | but since there are so few types in lua and you cant create your own types, it wouldn't reallyy be worth it |
| 13:12.50 | krka | i mean, all tables (read: objects) would have the same type in lua |
| 13:12.58 | krka | so you still wouldn't catch type mismatch-errors |
| 13:13.11 | Violentnight | table.insert(myTable) is a small price to pay... and, I believe, I could create a metaTable to achieve the myTable.insert() functionality if I really wanted to |
| 13:13.39 | id` | yes Violentnight |
| 13:13.49 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 13:13.55 | Violentnight | 'cause metatables are fun! (read: Evil!) ^_^ |
| 13:14.07 | krka | would be easy to do: myTable = newMyTableClass(); myTable:Insert(value) |
| 13:14.13 | Codayus | They changed the arcanist and felheart stats in 1.9.3? GG Bliz patch notes ftw. oO |
| 13:14.45 | id` | krka: mytable[var] mytable.var |
| 13:14.46 | id` | p |
| 13:14.47 | id` | :P |
| 13:14.48 | Violentnight | ftw? |
| 13:14.53 | id` | for the win |
| 13:14.59 | id` | ftw/ftl |
| 13:15.06 | Violentnight | right right.. I can never remember that one |
| 13:15.07 | Codayus | Used in the ironic sense here, of course. :-0 |
| 13:15.10 | Codayus | :-), even. |
| 13:15.10 | krka | huh? |
| 13:15.23 | krka | what did you mean by that id? |
| 13:15.46 | Violentnight | haha.. I did get an error in my code because I forgot to return the value.. d'oh |
| 13:15.54 | id` | krka: that that defeats the purpose of mytable.insert() |
| 13:15.56 | id` | :P |
| 13:16.05 | Kalroth | that that that? |
| 13:16.23 | id` | yes |
| 13:16.23 | id` | :p |
| 13:16.41 | Violentnight | that that.. that's right |
| 13:16.52 | id` | yo |
| 13:16.56 | id` | *gangster pose* |
| 13:16.57 | Violentnight | "I mean that THAT yadda yadda" |
| 13:18.46 | Violentnight | nono .. *sob* something isn't working right |
| 13:20.29 | Violentnight | for _, property in ipairs(MDProds_DevTools.Properties) do |
| 13:20.39 | Violentnight | that's not iterating =\ |
| 13:21.27 | krka | really? |
| 13:22.15 | Violentnight | nah.. for pretends! |
| 13:22.48 | Violentnight | setmetatable(MDProds_DevTools, MDProds_DevTools_DEFAULTS); -- is this right? |
| 13:23.05 | krka | hmm.. not really |
| 13:23.20 | krka | setmetatable(MD..., { __index = Defaults }) |
| 13:23.22 | krka | it hink |
| 13:23.24 | krka | i think |
| 13:23.37 | krka | someone can probably correct me, i haven't really used metatables |
| 13:23.40 | Violentnight | ooh right.. the index thing |
| 13:25.34 | Violentnight | still not working |
| 13:26.06 | Violentnight | and the savedvars file is all wrong |
| 13:29.10 | Violentnight | ah well.. I gotta get up for school in 2.5 hours so I'm gonna go try to sleep.. thanks for the help... I'll buy ya more later ^_^ |
| 13:29.25 | sarf|stuff | Night Violentnight |
| 13:31.31 | sarf|stuff | Ehm |
| 13:31.38 | sarf|stuff | also, ipairs... shouldn't that be pairs?` |
| 13:31.40 | sarf|stuff | Oh well |
| 13:31.45 | sarf|stuff | FUN! WoW! Leveling! Rawr! |
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| 13:56.01 | wereHamster | can I write "fooFrame:IsVisible() and fooFrame:Hide() or fooFrame:Show()" ? |
| 13:56.45 | krka | hm |
| 13:56.54 | wereHamster | as an alternative to "if (..) then .. else .. end" |
| 13:56.55 | krka | why not do it with if else end? |
| 13:57.57 | krka | you'd want (isVisible and (Hide or 1)) or Show |
| 13:59.21 | krka | hmm.. no wait |
| 14:00.29 | krka | anyway, it's just very unreadable |
| 14:00.34 | krka | i suggest if then else end |
| 14:00.42 | Kalroth | if ((fooFrame:IsVisible() and fooFrame:Hide()) or fooFrame:Show()) {} would be the proper way, no? |
| 14:00.53 | Kalroth | oh wait, hide and show are procedures |
| 14:00.57 | Kalroth | not properties |
| 14:01.39 | Kalroth | I'll ask what krka asked; why not if..then? :) |
| 14:02.20 | krka | hide and show both most likely return nil |
| 14:02.25 | Kalroth | exactly |
| 14:02.26 | krka | so you need the (or 1) |
| 14:03.59 | Kalroth | that's why get/set methods should be hidden in a property :p |
| 14:04.39 | Kalroth | Frame.Visible(not Frame.Visible()) would be sexy!:) |
| 14:05.20 | id` | eh? |
| 14:05.22 | id` | :S |
| 14:05.45 | Kalroth | Well currently there's two methods for setting one state |
| 14:06.09 | id` | nil one |
| 14:06.10 | id` | :p |
| 14:06.14 | Kalroth | it'd be smarter with just one method to both set and get the state |
| 14:07.24 | id` | famre.state('hide') frame.state('show') ? |
| 14:07.49 | Kalroth | frame.visible(true|false) yes |
| 14:07.52 | id` | that just wrapping two functions into one with a big if/else |
| 14:07.57 | id` | wich is bad practise |
| 14:08.06 | Kalroth | no, it's more than that |
| 14:08.28 | id` | explain |
| 14:08.33 | Kalroth | if (frame.Visible()) then .. <-- get part of method |
| 14:08.47 | Kalroth | frame.Visible(true); <-- set part of method |
| 14:09.37 | qwxyr | any ETA on a new Discord update? |
| 14:09.39 | qwxyr | *DAB |
| 14:11.08 | id` | moz left didnt he? |
| 14:11.11 | id` | who took over? |
| 14:11.27 | id` | Kalroth: hmmmmm |
| 14:11.31 | id` | not my style |
| 14:11.38 | id` | i'd say make it a property.. |
| 14:11.48 | id` | frame.visible = true |
| 14:11.52 | id` | if frame.visible then |
| 14:11.57 | Kalroth | well yeah, that's basically the same ;) |
| 14:12.00 | id` | ;) |
| 14:13.01 | Kalroth | does lua allow such parameters? |
| 14:13.09 | Kalroth | err, properties |
| 14:13.35 | Kalroth | eg. Frame:Visible = not Frame:Visible; |
| 14:14.42 | Kalroth | Looking at the frame API it looks like it uses only Get/Set/Is |
| 14:15.58 | id` | lua doesnt need get/set/is |
| 14:16.02 | id` | at _all_ |
| 14:16.15 | id` | wow devs go back to java, shoo |
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| 14:22.28 | krka | well, get/set/is is pretty useful actually |
| 14:22.45 | krka | lets you do checking and stuff upon Set |
| 14:27.29 | Kalroth | well Is() is pretty silly, might as well "hide" it in a property |
| 14:27.45 | Kalroth | and Get()/Set() should be in a property |
| 14:28.27 | Kalroth | since it's not that hard to check if you're reading or writing to a method in a lexical parser |
| 14:29.14 | Kalroth | but since lua supports it and it's just Blizzard that doesn't use it, it's just silly :) |
| 14:29.23 | krka | lua supports it? |
| 14:29.40 | Kalroth | that's what id said, dunno :) |
| 14:30.02 | krka | i'm gonna assume lua doesn't support it until someone shows me |
| 14:30.10 | Kalroth | googling for it atm ;p |
| 14:30.59 | id` | what are you talking about? |
| 14:31.10 | id` | get/set/is are usually just some wrappers |
| 14:31.21 | id` | in lua objects are tables, no object is local |
| 14:31.25 | id` | object.property |
| 14:31.28 | id` | init? |
| 14:31.28 | id` | :D |
| 14:32.13 | id` | object:setproperty = function(val) self.property = val end |
| 14:32.14 | id` | what's the use |
| 14:32.32 | Kalroth | that doesn't make sense :) |
| 14:32.41 | id` | why not |
| 14:33.14 | Kalroth | because I want to get rid of Get()/Set() and just make it one property |
| 14:33.23 | id` | thats what im saying |
| 14:33.38 | Kalroth | instead of obj:GetVal() and obj:SetVal() just make obj:Val |
| 14:33.47 | id` | obj.val |
| 14:34.16 | krka | i suppose you could do it with metatables |
| 14:34.18 | krka | maye |
| 14:34.20 | krka | maybe |
| 14:34.35 | Kalroth | uh oh, I didn't do it! |
| 14:36.53 | Kalroth | Cairenn: morning sunshine! |
| 14:36.58 | id` | hi cair |
| 14:40.13 | Bela|AFK | a method can include error checking, whereas setting a metatable variable requires you to write your own error check |
| 14:40.29 | Bela|AFK | that is one reason for methods vs variables |
| 14:40.57 | Bela|AFK | in a perfect world, the dev would allow you to use both methods |
| 14:42.22 | Kalroth | what do you mean by error checking? |
| 14:42.44 | Kalroth | incase the property couldn't be set? |
| 14:43.18 | Kalroth | oh, answered my question |
| 14:43.21 | Kalroth | "Lua does not have a built-in concept of classes and objects" |
| 14:45.37 | Kalroth | Ktron: morning sunshine! |
| 14:48.15 | krka | hmm... is UC -> Hammerfall slower than UC -> TM -> Hammerfall? |
| 14:48.21 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 14:48.25 | krka | damn it |
| 14:48.31 | Kalroth | about 50-60 seconds slower :p |
| 14:48.49 | krka | what were blizzard thinking? |
| 14:49.40 | Kalroth | that you wanted to see the scenery |
| 14:49.55 | krka | zomg noobs |
| 14:51.05 | id` | MCMCMC pimp in IF MC PVP honor money pvp suit MCMCMC |
| 14:51.06 | id` | etc |
| 14:51.10 | id` | <3 wow endgame |
| 14:51.34 | id` | good think i still enjoy pvping with my lv 19 NE |
| 14:51.39 | id` | wich is the highset char i have |
| 14:52.19 | id` | i bet trolls are just really ugly elves |
| 14:52.50 | id` | and the elves were like |
| 14:53.02 | id` | 'eww ur ugly' *kick* *fall off the giant tree* |
| 14:53.16 | id` | ;D |
| 14:53.26 | krka | u drunk? |
| 14:53.33 | id` | no, just bored |
| 14:53.51 | id` | hafta call the hosting company, fucked up our live server |
| 14:54.12 | id` | cant even parse a C# dll anymore == no library == crash :P |
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| 14:56.05 | Kalroth | hi Cide! |
| 14:56.12 | Cide | hi |
| 14:56.36 | id` | Cide: nightelves kick ugly babies off trees |
| 14:56.42 | id` | they call em trolls |
| 14:56.56 | Cide | lies |
| 14:56.59 | Cide | trolls > night elves |
| 14:57.12 | id` | look at your feet |
| 14:57.26 | id` | thats because of your hard landing |
| 14:57.28 | Cide | I'm not a troll though! |
| 14:57.33 | id` | you stretched a little, too |
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| 14:57.37 | id` | :P |
| 14:57.47 | Cide | hehe |
| 14:58.56 | krka | chicks really dig the tusks |
| 14:59.05 | Kalroth | * > night elves |
| 14:59.22 | id` | i wish WOW had l2 dark elves |
| 14:59.25 | id` | *sigh* |
| 14:59.35 | id` | :P~~~ |
| 14:59.50 | Ktron | elves in generally aren't very cool imo |
| 15:00.05 | id` | they stand above others, so they are cool to me |
| 15:01.23 | id` | im really boring people today, am i? |
| 15:01.36 | id` | aren't i* |
| 15:01.44 | id` | (weird britisheses) |
| 15:01.53 | Cide | yes yes! |
| 15:02.05 | id` | sooooo |
| 15:02.09 | id` | wutcha doin? |
| 15:02.13 | Cide | I'm pretty boring too.. going through 25000 lines and optimizing the code isn't very fun |
| 15:02.19 | Ktron | you wokes us and tooks our sleep |
| 15:02.22 | Ktron | we wants it back |
| 15:03.00 | id` | Ktron: you are a klingon |
| 15:03.13 | id` | khahh tronn! |
| 15:03.41 | id` | someone shut me up |
| 15:03.42 | id` | :P |
| 15:06.03 | krka | 25000 lines? what's that? |
| 15:07.34 | id` | ctra |
| 15:07.36 | id` | i bet |
| 15:07.36 | id` | :p |
| 15:09.06 | id` | shag, wheres shag |
| 15:09.07 | id` | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4575 |
| 15:09.09 | id` | coolio! |
| 15:09.25 | Cide | krka: yep, ctra |
| 15:10.35 | krka | of _code_? |
| 15:10.45 | krka | i can understand xml being that big, but not code |
| 15:11.53 | Cide | well that's lua + xml |
| 15:12.16 | krka | how much of it is xml? |
| 15:13.19 | Cide | maybe 4/7 or so? |
| 15:13.22 | Cide | 3/5 maybe |
| 15:13.53 | krka | so 10 000 lines of Lua? O_o |
| 15:13.58 | Cide | more |
| 15:14.10 | Cide | CT_RaidAssist.lua is 5336 lines |
| 15:20.19 | krka | what kind of stuff can CTRA do? |
| 15:20.37 | Kalroth | it basically maintains a raid |
| 15:21.00 | Kalroth | detailed information about other raid members, buffs, debuffs, hp, mana |
| 15:21.08 | Kalroth | gives warnings, notices, etc |
| 15:21.40 | Kalroth | can even check the fire/frost/nature/etc resist of all members |
| 15:21.49 | Kalroth | how many brought a specific item |
| 15:22.01 | Kalroth | oh yeah! hi Cide, suggestion time :P |
| 15:22.14 | Cide | hi |
| 15:22.28 | Kalroth | Cide: is it possible to include equipped gear in /raitem ? |
| 15:22.41 | Cide | yes |
| 15:22.47 | Kalroth | I'm thinking of Onyxia Cloak |
| 15:22.50 | Kalroth | because it doesn't today |
| 15:23.00 | Cide | but I dunno when I would get a chance to add that |
| 15:23.36 | Kalroth | I guess I could look into it, it shouldn't be to hard to iterate through the equipment too |
| 15:24.12 | Kalroth | does CT run some sort of CVS or is it manually maintained? |
| 15:24.56 | Cide | I'm the only one who does coding, so no |
| 15:25.00 | Kalroth | oh :P |
| 15:26.01 | krka | what does CT stand for? |
| 15:26.05 | Cide | Cide & Ts |
| 15:26.43 | Cide | and (coincidentally) the name of our previous guild name, Chaos Theory |
| 15:26.44 | Ktron | what happened to T? |
| 15:26.56 | Kalroth | he's slacking! |
| 15:26.58 | Cide | ts is still in the team, but he doesn't code |
| 15:27.03 | Ktron | ... Did you eat him? |
| 15:27.22 | Ktron | ah |
| 15:27.23 | Cide | nope! I swear! |
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| 15:34.29 | krka | nice cide, CTRA is friggin hugely popular :) |
| 15:34.54 | krka | personally i like to keep addons at ~3000 lines though |
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| 15:37.47 | id` | 8kb is my largest lua file |
| 15:37.50 | id` | :> |
| 15:38.11 | id` | but it doesnt do a whole lot... yet.. |
| 15:38.29 | [MoonWolf] | 8kb of uselessness |
| 15:38.39 | id` | incorrect |
| 15:38.45 | id` | do you use chatscroll? |
| 15:41.11 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
| 15:41.35 | Cide | krka: haha, yeah, I wouldn't mind CTRA to be 3k lines either :) |
| 15:41.35 | id` | do you find the buttons around your chatframe anoying and unneeded? |
| 15:41.51 | [MoonWolf] | no, I use them a lot. |
| 15:42.00 | Cide | would make debugging easier |
| 15:42.21 | id` | would'nt you rather use the mousewheel and shift+mousewheel ? |
| 15:42.28 | [MoonWolf] | I do wish they would only show up on mouseover though |
| 15:42.37 | id` | >_> |
| 15:43.03 | [MoonWolf] | I sometimes use the scroll, but it does not come natural to me, to long with only the buttons. |
| 15:51.49 | id` | I bet it will be natural very fast |
| 15:51.58 | id` | because when using idChat, the buttons will be gone |
| 15:52.03 | id` | (you can turn it off) |
| 15:52.12 | id` | first few times it goes wrong then you're fine |
| 15:52.12 | id` | :p |
| 15:52.34 | id` | and you will be a slave of my addon, you cant live without it muhahaha |
| 15:52.36 | id` | more slaves! |
| 15:52.52 | id` | it will tell you waht to do, muhaha! |
| 15:55.35 | [MoonWolf] | N3V4R |
| 15:56.37 | [MoonWolf] | Btw http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Feb-07-1.html |
| 15:56.42 | [MoonWolf] | look at those things |
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| 16:05.50 | id` | wicked |
| 16:06.24 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 16:06.26 | [MoonWolf] | indee |
| 16:06.28 | [MoonWolf] | indeed |
| 16:06.40 | id` | brb @ home |
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| 16:08.46 | Kalroth | hello baldie |
| 16:08.53 | Violentnight | lol |
| 16:09.40 | Violentnight | you guys are so helpful =P |
| 16:10.35 | Violentnight | Am I blinde or does Lua not have a rounding function? |
| 16:10.48 | Violentnight | haha.. much better, [MoonWolf] |
| 16:11.06 | Kalroth | math.round() |
| 16:11.21 | Kalroth | oh nm, you're right |
| 16:11.30 | krka | math.floor(X + 0.5) |
| 16:11.31 | Kalroth | http://lua-users.org/wiki/SimpleRound |
| 16:12.55 | Violentnight | that's simple? math.max(math.floor(x), math.floor(x + 0.5)) is much simpler ^_^ |
| 16:13.53 | Violentnight | still--I've never seen a language before that didn't have a rounding function... so bizarre |
| 16:14.11 | krka | that's an odd rounding |
| 16:14.15 | Violentnight | but anyhoo.. somebody fix my code! .. please! *meep* |
| 16:14.53 | krka | why math.max? |
| 16:15.16 | Violentnight | because I'm stupid..... yours would work better, huh, krka? |
| 16:15.35 | krka | i am not even sure what math.max in that context would mean |
| 16:16.39 | Violentnight | my thought process would be to handle numbers with a decimal less than 0.5 and greater than or equal to 0.5--but yours does the same thing much more simplisticly |
| 16:17.34 | krka | i see |
| 16:18.12 | krka | i hate it when i do quests too fast and end up with only yellow elite and red quests |
| 16:18.20 | krka | then i have to grind until i can do them |
| 16:19.46 | Violentnight | I been doin that too.. but that's what instances are for ^_^ |
| 16:20.20 | Violentnight | http://wow.pastebin.com/545104 <-- fix me! ^_^ |
| 16:20.45 | krka | what's wrong with it? |
| 16:21.08 | Violentnight | It's not iterating through the properties in GetFrameProperties() |
| 16:21.43 | krka | which line? |
| 16:21.47 | Violentnight | and the savedvars file looks like this --> http://wow.pastebin.com/545107 <-- which is the old layout of the thing.. so like.. it's not even saving properly? |
| 16:22.17 | Violentnight | the function is line 109 |
| 16:22.41 | Violentnight | there aren't any errors or anything |
| 16:24.21 | krka | hm. probably the metatable screwing up things |
| 16:24.24 | krka | try removing it |
| 16:24.30 | krka | also, ipairs starts with index 1, not 0 |
| 16:24.35 | wereHamster | <= shag.. here's shag |
| 16:25.13 | Violentnight | but if I remove the metatable then MDProds_DevTools will be empty |
| 16:25.51 | krka | may have to wait for someone better at lua to help you |
| 16:27.17 | wereHamster | id`, what do you want from shag? |
| 16:32.03 | wereHamster | Violentnight, you may want to check for 'type(obj[value]) == "function"' somewhere in you code before trying to call it.. |
| 16:32.56 | Violentnight | in the _GetFrameProperties? |
| 16:34.03 | wereHamster | yep |
| 16:34.30 | Violentnight | Well, I do have: if not obj[value] or not obj[value](obj) then -- but it doesn't even get that far |
| 16:39.08 | wereHamster | Violentnight, what about this output: http://wow.pastebin.com/545138? |
| 16:39.10 | Violentnight | oooh I restarted WoW and now it's acting different |
| 16:39.47 | wereHamster | my object os a simple table with one GetName() function.. |
| 16:40.16 | wereHamster | tested it outside of wow.. just with the lua interpreter.. |
| 16:40.31 | Violentnight | welll that's different too.. mine is saying "Value: WORLD\nyay\nhere".. lol |
| 16:43.59 | Violentnight | now why would restarting WoW make the thing actually work when refreshign teh console didn't? *le sigh* |
| 16:44.00 | wereHamster | for example GetFrameLevel.. you format string is "%s %x", but GetFrameLevel() returns only one number.. |
| 16:44.21 | wereHamster | that causes string.format to fail: bad argument #3 to `format' (number expected, got no value) |
| 16:44.40 | Violentnight | yeah.. just fixed that, wereHamster... I forgot to include the .Label |
| 16:46.16 | Violentnight | http://wow.pastebin.com/545147 -- working now |
| 16:46.41 | Violentnight | though coords and dimensions seem to be showing in hexadecimal |
| 16:47.03 | Violentnight | but I need to put on some pants and get to class |
| 16:47.21 | Violentnight | and eat.. dammit |
| 16:53.07 | [MoonWolf] | *wow is immune* |
| 16:54.36 | [MoonWolf] | good* |
| 16:54.36 | Violentnight | lol |
| 16:55.18 | Violentnight | now... how come this thing was showing decimal values before and now it's showing hexadecimal values for all the numerical properties of the frame? |
| 16:55.30 | Violentnight | I swear this thing is going to be the death of me |
| 16:55.43 | Violentnight | oh wait.. I know why! |
| 16:55.52 | Violentnight | 'cause I said %x in the format.. and that must be hexadecimal |
| 16:56.16 | Violentnight | sure would be nice if the Lua manual explained what each of the letters were rather than just saying that "all of these are numbers and those two are strings" |
| 16:59.05 | Violentnight | gah.. stupid class.. later peeps |
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| 17:07.46 | Cairenn | are the blizz forums obscenely slow for anyone else today? |
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| 17:08.44 | Shadowd | Seem fine to me |
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| 17:16.14 | Natasem | mornin ya'll |
| 17:16.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Violentnight: The manual DOES say that... |
| 17:16.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh wait, he quit |
| 17:16.48 | Natasem | hey you guys got a list of "trust worthy" UI mod sites? so far i got: |
| 17:16.50 | Natasem | http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 17:16.51 | Natasem | http://ui.worldofwar.net |
| 17:16.53 | Natasem | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php |
| 17:17.10 | id` | hah! |
| 17:17.13 | id` | curse! |
| 17:17.17 | Cairenn | www.wowguru.com |
| 17:17.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://www.wowinterface.com, http://www.wowinterface.com, http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 17:17.54 | id` | wowace.com |
| 17:18.07 | Gryphen | cosmosui.org |
| 17:18.10 | Cairenn | Natasem: you'll find a goodly listing of various sites here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1066 , sections 3 & 8 |
| 17:18.11 | id` | #fail |
| 17:18.15 | id` | haha j/k |
| 17:18.18 | Natasem | well someone is throwing out this site and i never heard of it.. http://dl.qj.net/MMORPG-PC-Gaming-World-of-Warcraft/catid/152 |
| 17:18.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | The other sites have a tendency to upload mods without the author's permission... |
| 17:18.58 | id` | Natasem: ewwwww |
| 17:19.06 | Shadowd | The fact that the leroy movie is the highest on the download list should be enough to tell you on that site! |
| 17:19.21 | Natasem | ya |
| 17:19.36 | Natasem | i trying to stear away my users from that site, i just don't trust it |
| 17:19.42 | Natasem | something about it i don't trust |
| 17:19.47 | id` | look at its graphics |
| 17:19.51 | Natasem | so i am giveing them alternative places |
| 17:19.56 | id` | DRIVEN... BY.... MONEY! |
| 17:20.06 | id` | == bad |
| 17:20.09 | Cairenn | Natasem: I'd be willing to bet real money that not a single author has uploaded their mods to that site |
| 17:20.15 | Shadowd | The logo isn't very good either |
| 17:20.31 | Tain | And I heard they kick puppies. |
| 17:20.53 | id` | >_> tain |
| 17:20.55 | id` | lol |
| 17:21.06 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 17:21.12 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, best argument yet. |
| 17:22.00 | Natasem | hey Cairenn you links on the http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1066 dont' go to the right sections, just an FYI |
| 17:22.35 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3695 |
| 17:22.39 | id` | mopre feedback please! |
| 17:22.41 | id` | ;p |
| 17:22.43 | id` | -p |
| 17:23.03 | Cairenn | hrm, I seem to have messed some up, yeah, thanks for letting me know Nat |
| 17:24.32 | Cairenn | actually, I only messed up one - the link for section 3 |
| 17:25.02 | id` | cair, and theres no spotlight |
| 17:25.04 | id` | :P |
| 17:25.11 | id` | (dont you love me :D) |
| 17:25.29 | id` | (giving you all that work and all :P) |
| 17:25.54 | Cairenn | what do you mean there's no spotlight? |
| 17:26.19 | Tain | Roxeanne, you don't have to put on the red light. |
| 17:26.24 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php? |
| 17:27.26 | Cairenn | hmmmmmm ..... how very odd .... |
| 17:27.49 | id` | fix! fix! |
| 17:27.52 | id` | lol xD |
| 17:27.54 | id` | j/k |
| 17:33.06 | Natasem | yep i think that site i linked in here is a "fake" site the IP of the posted is the same one that was spaming gold and pwr leveling services a few days ago |
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| 17:45.40 | elema | hy guys |
| 17:46.15 | Kolth | hello |
| 17:51.21 | krka | god, collecting raptor hearts is really painfully slow |
| 17:56.22 | Cide | hmm... |
| 17:56.48 | Cide | why am I getting an error "attempt to call a nil value" with no line number or file? |
| 17:57.35 | elema | what is written on the normal casting bar when you open a chest? |
| 17:57.54 | elema | Opening ...chest <-- is it this? |
| 17:58.05 | elema | .. stands for the special name of the chest |
| 17:58.46 | Tain | I'm afraid I don't have any answers that aren't immature, crude, "breast" jokes, elema. |
| 17:59.55 | elema | sorry? |
| 18:00.19 | elema | I'm aktually not playing and not near to any chest |
| 18:00.52 | Cide | hmm, anyone has a clue why I would get an error with no line number? heh |
| 18:01.59 | MentalPower | usually means its an error in the XML portion of the code |
| 18:02.13 | Cairenn | someone else was having that problem a few days back |
| 18:02.33 | Cairenn | I don't recall who though |
| 18:02.43 | Tain | hehe I thought it must have been Cide and just never resolved it. |
| 18:02.52 | Cide | nah, I got it just now |
| 18:03.04 | Cide | and debugging 25k lines of code without a file + line number != fun |
| 18:03.08 | Corrodias | breast jokes! |
| 18:03.22 | id` | o_O |
| 18:03.36 | Cairenn | no, it wasn't Cide ... I can't remember who it was, I just recall that someone else was having a similar problem of an error message with no line number |
| 18:06.13 | Cide | grr. |
| 18:10.25 | Tain | wow, Eve Online has passed 100,000 subscribers. I knew it was doing ok, but I didn't know they were that high. |
| 18:10.30 | Kolth | Dang |
| 18:12.10 | wereHamster | Cide, error with no line number most likeli means the error happened in the handler code embedded in the xml-file |
| 18:13.05 | Cide | wereHamster: thanks, that helps |
| 18:22.52 | id` | http://www.google.com/search?q=WoW-1.9.2-4996-to-1.9.3-5059-enGB-patch.exe |
| 18:22.57 | id` | 0 results |
| 18:22.57 | id` | :p |
| 18:23.01 | id` | index faster! |
| 18:23.03 | id` | :| |
| 18:28.50 | MentalPower | does anyone from insomniax roam around these parts at all? |
| 18:31.18 | Cairenn | Led has popped in a time or two |
| 18:31.25 | Cairenn | and I can always get hold of him if you need |
| 18:31.51 | Gryphen | http://wow.mmofiles.com/patches/512/wow-1.9.2.4996-to-1.9.3.5059-engb-patch.html |
| 18:33.33 | MentalPower | well, I need to ask him a question. specifically, why does Insomniax package the test version of Auctioneer (and friends) instead of the release version? |
| 18:35.19 | Cairenn | best bet, either post on his forums or drop him a PM on WoWI |
| 18:36.10 | Cairenn | LedMirage: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=1837 |
| 18:36.40 | Cairenn | or: http://www.insomniax.net/ |
| 18:36.50 | MentalPower | thanks Cairenn |
| 18:36.57 | Cairenn | welcome :) |
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| 18:41.44 | AnduinLothar | meh, my 11am class got canciled.. i dont have class till 7pm... what am I doing up.. |
| 18:41.57 | Iriel | Complaining, apparently 8-) |
| 18:42.08 | AnduinLothar | got me there |
| 18:42.14 | Shadowd | Play WoW? |
| 18:42.36 | AnduinLothar | mmm, farm sithilis... do hw... or sleep.. |
| 18:43.05 | Iriel | hw is probably a worthly first priority |
| 18:43.22 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 18:43.51 | SP|Sorren | you should do hw and farm silithus at the same time! |
| 18:44.28 | AnduinLothar | and sleep! |
| 18:45.08 | SP|Sorren | well, i've never met anyone who could sleep and play at the same time |
| 18:45.10 | SP|Sorren | i tried it once |
| 18:45.19 | SP|Sorren | ran straight into 2 core hound packs and lucifron |
| 18:45.25 | AnduinLothar | actually i sleep through ubrs quite regularly |
| 18:45.27 | Shadowd | nice |
| 18:45.36 | SP|Sorren | woke up to all the yelling over vent |
| 18:46.03 | wereHamster | We've just done 2 core-hound packs in MC.. it was fun :) |
| 18:46.19 | elema | does GetBattlefieldWinner() return the localised faction ? |
| 18:47.15 | Shadowd | According to WorldStateFrame.lua it returns 0 for horde won, and anything else is alliance won |
| 18:47.26 | elema | ok thanks |
| 18:49.40 | AnduinLothar | omg.. if this is true... http://www.pcw.co.uk/personal-computer-world/news/2149813/apple-bite-palm |
| 18:53.11 | AnduinLothar | it's like a hardware hack that legally purchasable |
| 18:53.28 | Iriel | Hm, renewal day? or something else? |
| 18:53.41 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Not the macro part, the LCD part. |
| 18:53.53 | Shadowd | If it was renewal day she couldn't login though, but could still load it |
| 18:54.03 | AnduinLothar | right, that's a hack too, unless you're ircing on it |
| 18:54.03 | Cairenn | can't *get* to the site, 1/2 the time, and when I can, it refuses to load all the way, but most of the time it just times out before it even gets there |
| 18:54.25 | Cairenn | I've been trying to load for 1/2 hr now |
| 18:54.29 | Cairenn | on a refresh |
| 18:54.39 | Cairenn | it hasn't even found the page yet |
| 18:55.09 | Cairenn | I can hit everywhere else just fine though, so it's not on my end, or not entirely |
| 18:56.15 | AnduinLothar | works here. nice and fast |
| 18:56.52 | Shadowd | same |
| 18:57.12 | Cairenn | and the *really* weird thing ... I can get to the Blizz site just fine ... but not the forums |
| 18:57.36 | Iriel | Well, the forums are a different host, maybe there's a routing issue |
| 18:58.14 | Cairenn | that's the only thing I can come up with, is that there is a glitch somewhere between me and the host |
| 18:58.37 | Tain | that happens to me fairly often, Cairenn. |
| 18:58.44 | Tain | I just can't get to the forums, but others can. |
| 18:58.44 | AnduinLothar | have you made your daily sacrifice to the internet gods? |
| 18:58.55 | Cairenn | makes it somewhat impossible for me to stealth bump my posts though ... not that I ever do any such thing, of course |
| 18:59.16 | Cairenn | *innocent look* |
| 19:04.55 | Shadowd | IsAutoRepeatAction() will return true if the slot is Auto Attack and it's currently active I take it/ |
| 19:08.48 | AnduinLothar | prolly 1/nil |
| 19:30.44 | id` | Cairenn: thats what you said last time |
| 19:30.46 | id` | :P |
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| 19:35.49 | id` | http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=279 |
| 19:35.52 | id` | --^ like that |
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| 19:43.37 | Tain | I thought he said, "get'n cheese" and it sounded better to me than chinese |
| 19:56.02 | Cairenn | id` has fleas? stay away from me then, I don't want them :p |
| 20:00.09 | Tain | Fleece? It is a bit cold. |
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| 20:23.17 | MentalPower | Cide: you around? |
| 20:23.22 | Cide | yep |
| 20:23.42 | MentalPower | care to spill the beans on the AQ event (I'm on alleria too) |
| 20:24.04 | Cide | cool :) what side? and we haven't decided when |
| 20:24.17 | MentalPower | Alliance :) |
| 20:24.22 | Cide | what guild? |
| 20:24.28 | MentalPower | I know you guys are on the horde side :) |
| 20:24.33 | MentalPower | Emerald Dream |
| 20:24.34 | Cide | yup |
| 20:24.42 | Cide | ah, I talked to one of your guildies a day ago |
| 20:24.51 | MentalPower | really? |
| 20:24.52 | Ktron | There will be a war ;) |
| 20:24.54 | Ktron | and bugs ;) |
| 20:24.57 | Cide | or maybe it was you, but that would be a rather big coincidence |
| 20:25.08 | Cide | don't spoil it though, Ktron :P |
| 20:25.20 | Cide | MentalPower: yeah, I was fixing the bug where paladin buffs didn't display |
| 20:25.25 | Shadowd | The AQ event is a bunch of server crashes basically :p |
| 20:25.29 | MentalPower | I doubt it was me, but who knows |
| 20:25.38 | Cide | so I logged on alliance to find a paladin, and found one in emerald dream |
| 20:25.54 | Ktron | heh, Cide, I'd be even more careful but yeah, the LAG will be incredible... an entire server's worth of level 60's in the same zone at the same time |
| 20:26.13 | MentalPower | what character did you use? |
| 20:26.23 | Shadowd | It opened on Icecrown yesterday. It was fun, but not what you'd expect. |
| 20:26.27 | Cide | my level 1 AH guy :) |
| 20:26.38 | Shadowd | I think we got away with like 3 server crashes |
| 20:26.51 | Cide | at what time did you open it? |
| 20:26.59 | Cide | opening it at 12pm vs 7pm probably does a huge difference |
| 20:27.18 | Shadowd | 8PMish server time |
| 20:27.32 | Cide | yeah, I can bet a lot of people showed up |
| 20:27.40 | Shadowd | Someone posted about it about 24-38 hours in advance though, so it wasn't secret. |
| 20:27.54 | wereHamster | Cide, do you play horde? |
| 20:28.06 | Cide | yes |
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| 20:30.15 | MentalPower | BTW, was the Emerald Dream paly helpful? |
| 20:30.15 | Cide | yup |
| 20:30.15 | Amerzel | Is there an easy way to make your ChatFrameEditBox always show? |
| 20:30.16 | Cide | I "believe" he was in ED at least |
| 20:30.16 | Cide | his name was Lionhart or something |
| 20:30.32 | MentalPower | yup, he's in ED |
| 20:30.36 | MentalPower | we were university hallmates :) |
| 20:31.15 | Cide | yeah, he was helpful, found him in org and asked him to bless me and himself with normal and greater blessings.. stole ~10 minutes of his time and gave him 2g |
| 20:32.46 | MentalPower | that's always good |
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| 20:32.58 | Iriel | Amerzel : Possibly, but you'd likely have focus issues since by default it eats all your key presses when visible |
| 20:33.27 | Cide | there's a flag for that I believe |
| 20:33.28 | Amerzel | Ahh hrmm |
| 20:33.58 | Amerzel | I put my chatbox on the bottom of the screen and I hate having the space inbetween the bottom and the chatbox |
| 20:34.03 | Amerzel | where you would normally type |
| 20:34.08 | Cide | <EditBox name="$parentNameEB" autoFocus="false" historyLines="0" letters="30"> |
| 20:34.19 | Cide | is what I use, but I can't find any lua method to change it |
| 20:34.52 | Iriel | Hm, wonder if we should ask for one |
| 20:35.38 | Cairenn | whoa! we have ~55 portals enabled already! |
| 20:35.40 | Cide | wouldn't be very hard I imagine |
| 20:35.49 | Cairenn | (sorry for the interruption) |
| 20:36.07 | Tain | You can't stop something so awesome once you set it in place, Cairenn. ;) The wave will keep rolling! |
| 20:36.24 | Cide | haha, no problem Cairenn :) glad it's getting used |
| 20:37.43 | Amerzel | Could I make a window the looks exactly like the ChatFrameEditBox and put it underneath my chat box so it looks like its always open? |
| 20:38.14 | Cide | yes |
| 20:38.59 | Cide | but it would be a lot easier with ChatFrameEditBox:SetAutoFocus(false) |
| 20:39.09 | Cairenn | Amerzel: you might want to look at Satrina's ChatFrameExtender: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4205 |
| 20:40.02 | Amerzel | Thanks. |
| 20:40.14 | Amerzel | I was playing with it earlier but I think I have a better idea of what I want to do now. |
| 20:40.58 | Cairenn | np, just wasn't sure if you had seen it yet or not, and sometimes looking at someone else's gives you ideas (possibly even code to "borrow") |
| 20:42.20 | Tain | I've never done anything with things like Confab, chatframe edit-box texturing or moving or.. well whatever they do. But! I do hear it's a pain in the ass as it is, so it may be a good point to bring up for possible new feature requests. |
| 20:42.46 | Amerzel | Confab did exactly what I wanted, but my chat was messed up |
| 20:42.56 | Cide | confab works rather well for me |
| 20:43.09 | Amerzel | To reply I would hit R and it would bring up the normal reply window, but I'd have to hit enter after hitting R to actually reply |
| 20:47.02 | Eraphine|Lab | anyone know of an addon that sumarizes your bonuses from your eq? |
| 20:47.18 | Amerzel | Part of the Titan Panel has a Item Bonus feature in it |
| 20:47.29 | Shadowd | Theres a seperate addon that does it too, can't remember the name though |
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| 20:47.58 | Astryl | Kwak? |
| 20:48.18 | MentalPower | I'm looking for one that modifies the spell tooltips with the +dam/healing bonus. ie. instead of a 1400 heal I have a 1550 heal since I have +150 healing |
| 20:48.51 | Eraphine|Lab | that's kinda tricky |
| 20:48.57 | Eraphine|Lab | since you only see full benefit from long cast spells |
| 20:49.04 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 20:49.20 | Astryl | Looks like there are people around, who might be able to answer my question! Joy! |
| 20:49.52 | Eraphine|Lab | ActualBenefit = AdvertisedBenefit * (CastingTime / 3.5) |
| 20:49.58 | Astryl | Hehe, thanks Cair |
| 20:50.03 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:50.21 | Astryl | I'm thinking Mental'll work. :) |
| 20:50.25 | Astryl | He's helped me before... |
| 20:50.30 | Astryl | So Mental.... |
| 20:50.35 | Astryl | ...Can you show me how to make a dropdown? |
| 20:50.49 | Tain | Ah, I can't tell you how often being mental has helped me. |
| 20:51.02 | Astryl | Indeed, me too, Tain. |
| 20:51.04 | Tain | I'm not crazy enough to play with dropdowns though. |
| 20:51.11 | Astryl | Darn. |
| 20:51.13 | Cide | dropdowns seem scary |
| 20:51.15 | Cide | but they're rather easy |
| 20:51.18 | Eraphine|Lab | was there a micro-patch just now? |
| 20:51.25 | Cide | Eraphine|Lab: yes |
| 20:51.27 | Tain | Can't sleep the dropdowns will eat me |
| 20:51.30 | Astryl | Really? Joy! Can you explain further, Cide? |
| 20:51.38 | Cide | well |
| 20:51.39 | Eraphine|Lab | Any idea what it was for? |
| 20:51.49 | Cide | do you mean the restart? |
| 20:51.52 | Cide | or the patch |
| 20:51.55 | Eraphine|Lab | the patch |
| 20:52.01 | Cide | see the patch notes :) |
| 20:52.03 | Eraphine|Lab | I didn't see a patch this morning after the restart |
| 20:52.09 | Eraphine|Lab | ah - i haven't logged out yet |
| 20:52.13 | Eraphine|Lab | thanks |
| 20:52.20 | Astryl | There was supposed to be a patch this morning, server side only, to fix disenchanting cloth... |
| 20:52.26 | Astryl | There something besides that? |
| 20:52.36 | Eraphine|Lab | a guildee just said that they saw a downloading message |
| 20:53.08 | Cairenn | I saw one too, but then it logged the rest of the way in, and there's nothing in the patch notes file |
| 20:53.13 | Cairenn | (just checked) |
| 20:53.19 | Eraphine|Lab | nod nod |
| 20:53.20 | AnduinLothar | ya dropdown's aren't that bad if you have a good example |
| 20:53.55 | Astryl | OK, so... how about a good example? |
| 20:54.08 | Cairenn | Eraphine|Lab: normally if there's a patch it drops you out to the torrent, this one didn't, it logged the rest of the way in, so /shrug |
| 20:54.19 | Tain | Hot damn, I forgot I have a $20 Panera gift card. I'm going to get me some lunch! |
| 20:54.23 | Eraphine|Lab | must not have been anything huge |
| 20:54.28 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 20:54.39 | AnduinLothar | well what kind of example do you want? |
| 20:54.44 | Cairenn | and no update to the patch notes, so ... |
| 20:55.05 | sharkhat | astryl like this?? http://newmediums.net/EFFECTS/ |
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| 20:55.38 | Astryl | Bah! |
| 20:55.47 | Astryl | Repaste the link? |
| 20:55.58 | Cairenn | http://newmediums.net/EFFECTS/ |
| 20:56.12 | Astryl | Thx |
| 20:56.19 | AnduinLothar | Mobile Frames has a simple 3 field dropdown that's fairly static. TrackerToggle has a fairly complex looped generation. |
| 20:56.29 | Cide | give me a sec, Astryl |
| 20:56.58 | Astryl | Ah, that's a spiffy web dropdown, meant a WoW one. |
| 20:57.00 | Astryl | Thanks, Cide |
| 20:58.17 | AnduinLothar | prolly the only bad part is the reposition code you might need if you go off an unsupported edge |
| 20:58.29 | Cide | Astryl: http://wow.pastebin.com/545559 |
| 20:58.36 | Astryl | That sounds scary, Andi. |
| 20:58.46 | Cide | those are the "basics" |
| 20:59.16 | Astryl | OKie. |
| 21:00.04 | AnduinLothar | looks like a good demo |
| 21:00.14 | Astryl | Thanks muchly, Cide, I'm trying it out now. |
| 21:00.19 | AnduinLothar | i take it no one's made a wiki demo |
| 21:00.33 | Cide | I can't guarantee that it will work, but it should :) |
| 21:00.53 | Shadowd | I just borrowed the code from CT_MapMods, was quicker :p |
| 21:01.22 | Cide | cheater :) |
| 21:01.34 | Shadowd | CT has lots of good examples though! |
| 21:01.55 | AnduinLothar | there's a large list of info table options in UIDropDownMenu.lua |
| 21:02.05 | Cide | yep |
| 21:03.00 | AnduinLothar | notable ones being: info.notClickable = 1; info.isTitle = 1; info.value = "meh" (set to global UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_VALUE durring menu call); |
| 21:03.29 | AnduinLothar | sub menus are a lil trickier |
| 21:04.09 | Cide | yeah, I have a good example of those too if you'd like |
| 21:04.28 | Cide | but if so I'll just copy&paste my own code, too lazy to rewrite it :) |
| 21:27.55 | Tain | Aw man the grilled balsamic portobello mushroom panini with fresh mozzerella and caramelized onions is... I don't have the words. |
| 21:29.34 | Astryl | Problems... |
| 21:30.23 | Astryl | DropDown_OnLoad() in the <OnLoad> for the DropDownFrame isn't working, it insists that DropDown_OnLoad is nil. |
| 21:30.36 | Astryl | But I indeed have function DropDown_OnLoad() in my lua. |
| 21:30.52 | Astryl | Hmm, I wonder if there's a name conflict or something. |
| 21:33.02 | AnduinLothar | prolly |
| 21:33.10 | Astryl | Changed it all to ShiftDropDown... |
| 21:33.24 | Astryl | Still same error. I can however do /script ShiftDropDown_OnLoad() |
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| 21:41.00 | Astryl | Cide? |
| 21:41.27 | Cide | did you include the lua file before the xml file? |
| 21:42.06 | Maldivia | hmm... the Stationary feature - anyone know if it'll ever be fully implemented? |
| 21:42.25 | Astryl | Nope, had xml first in the toc. I assume it loads in order in the toc, right? |
| 21:42.44 | Cide | yes |
| 21:42.57 | Tain | It is implemented, Maldivia. But you have to stand in one place. |
| 21:43.44 | Cairenn | lol Tain |
| 21:44.06 | Maldivia | Tain: hehe, well I just noticed that with the 1.9.3 patch, a "Valentine's Day Stationary" was added to it |
| 21:44.48 | Maldivia | LOL - and it has a white background with red hearts on it :) |
| 21:45.31 | Tain | I wonder if Onyxia will be my Valentine. |
| 21:47.45 | Astryl | One more bug, Cide... |
| 21:47.56 | Astryl | UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_VALUE is nil. |
| 21:48.01 | Astryl | That supposed to be something else? |
| 21:48.09 | Cide | that should be set.. |
| 21:48.11 | Cide | let me see |
| 21:48.20 | Cide | did you use the code I pasted? |
| 21:48.35 | Astryl | Yep. |
| 21:48.42 | Astryl | Well, changed the frame name. |
| 21:48.52 | Astryl | But that seems to be working fine |
| 21:48.58 | Cide | try changing it from UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_VALUE to this.value |
| 21:50.12 | Astryl | That worked, thanks! |
| 21:52.15 | Cide | no problem :) |
| 21:52.30 | Astryl | However, shittily (that a word?), wowuides doesn't recognize the dropdown, and actually deletes it when you edit the form and then save it. |
| 21:53.05 | Astryl | So it looks I'll have limited use for it now... |
| 21:53.23 | Cairenn | (interrupting again) link to a listing of the Author Portals activated: http://www.wowinterface.com/listportals.php? |
| 21:53.31 | id` | Astryl: thats a feature |
| 21:53.35 | id` | Astryl: not a bug |
| 21:53.47 | id` | Astryl: WYSIWYG is fun |
| 21:54.02 | id` | *cough* dreamweaver *cough* |
| 21:54.10 | id` | :P |
| 21:54.24 | Astryl | ...Actually, can I put it in a separate xml file, and reference the 2nd xml file in my toc, and have it work? |
| 21:54.32 | id` | Beladona: my little dw tryout didnt last long >_o |
| 21:54.33 | Maldivia | hmm, perhaps I should actually upload all my mods to wowinterface and similar sites... |
| 21:54.39 | id` | Maldivia: do so |
| 21:55.10 | Astryl | ie, is setting the parent property on the frame enough to get it to show up, or does it actually need to be within the <Frames> tag of its parent? |
| 21:55.10 | Shadowd | Somebody needs to make something to upload/manage your addon at the 5 sites at once |
| 21:55.11 | Beladona | why is that id? |
| 21:55.23 | id` | Shadowd: everyone should stick to one site |
| 21:55.34 | id` | Beladona: i'm just so used to vim.. |
| 21:55.42 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:55.51 | Beladona | I do a lot of web development |
| 21:55.54 | id` | i cant type in notepad style editors anymore |
| 21:55.58 | id` | me too |
| 21:56.12 | Shadowd | id`: But they don't! |
| 21:56.28 | id` | ill trash the document with garbage phrases like :wq dd ggVG etc |
| 21:56.31 | Beladona | I can do it in vim, but dw is faster |
| 21:56.54 | Beladona | for me |
| 21:56.56 | id` | Shadowd: the users are smart enough to get it from where you put it. if they are not i wouldnt want them as my users. stick to that. |
| 21:57.02 | id` | Beladona: other way around for me |
| 21:57.10 | id` | *shrug* |
| 21:57.38 | krka | vim is way too high starting treshold |
| 21:57.41 | Beladona | dw just does it diferent. If you took the time to learn the shortcuts it wouldn't be bad. But there is no point if vim serves your purposes |
| 21:57.43 | Shadowd | id`: That works |
| 21:57.58 | id` | krka: yes. I leanrt vim when i had alot of free time |
| 21:58.10 | id` | reformatted my hd to archlinux with not editor but vim |
| 21:58.21 | Astryl | gotta run, meeting time... |
| 21:58.34 | id` | its like learning to type without looking at the keyboard |
| 21:58.40 | Astryl | Gosh, it's amazing how much work on your addon you can get in when your lunch stretches into being 4 hours long... |
| 21:58.47 | Astryl | Later all! |
| 21:58.52 | Astryl | Thanks for the help! |
| 21:59.02 | id` | feels like you are re-learning everything. slow at first but way faster later |
| 21:59.51 | Maldivia | Only problem with vim, is you find yourself using hjkl in other editors :) |
| 22:00.07 | krka | funny, my girlfriend says the same thing |
| 22:00.10 | krka | err... never mind |
| 22:00.42 | Maldivia | I don't want to know... |
| 22:01.04 | krka | yeah, seems to be bad if it ruins all other inputting systems for you |
| 22:03.32 | id` | Maldivia: yep |
| 22:05.21 | id` | i hate it when xp pro's add remove programs dialog is too stupid to know that one program needs something else so instead locks itself up. Allowing me to only deinstall one program at a time |
| 22:07.14 | id` | hah |
| 22:07.33 | id` | Download accelerator plus wants me to 'stop and get help' |
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| 22:08.10 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/files/new-allianc-race-id1155/ |
| 22:09.00 | id` | bet its the weird blue guys |
| 22:09.02 | id` | HAH |
| 22:09.04 | id` | SEE! |
| 22:09.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge digix (n=digix@66-90-145-10.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 22:09.26 | id` | right, blood elves it is |
| 22:09.30 | krka | fake, everyone knows it's ogres |
| 22:09.45 | id` | proof |
| 22:09.48 | id` | i want proof |
| 22:09.48 | id` | :p |
| 22:10.07 | digix | pfft, i have insider info that its gonna be leper gnomes |
| 22:10.23 | id` | how lame |
| 22:10.36 | digix | who wouldnt want twin races of gnomes?? |
| 22:10.43 | id` | makes me wanna sing the 'if your heppy and you know it punt a gnome' song even louder |
| 22:10.48 | digix | rofl |
| 22:10.54 | id` | happy* |
| 22:11.18 | digix | of course, i also played a taru-taru in FFXI |
| 22:11.27 | id` | never played FF |
| 22:11.44 | digix | great game, but a huge grind-fest |
| 22:11.51 | id` | all my friends on the playstation were, so i be default didnt |
| 22:11.52 | digix | and pretty sever death penalties |
| 22:11.56 | id` | s/were/did/ |
| 22:12.29 | krka | new alliance race: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/two-headed-ogre.shtml |
| 22:14.12 | id` | Your other half will be controlled by a second player automatically and permanently paired with you upon character creation. |
| 22:14.17 | id` | next fake! |
| 22:14.34 | id` | :| |
| 22:15.01 | id` | random pairing, hmm |
| 22:15.06 | id` | seems too evil to be true |
| 22:15.31 | id` | "please no noob this time pleeeease" "LOL I NEW TO WOW WAT I DO!?" |
| 22:15.39 | id` | when you wanna do an MC run |
| 22:15.40 | id` | :P |
| 22:16.36 | krka | it's on the official site... |
| 22:16.49 | id` | that'd be so lame |
| 22:17.20 | id` | "zomg no i dont wanna pair with ur class" |
| 22:17.23 | id` | "k bye" |
| 22:17.33 | id` | i can picture the madness :| |
| 22:17.34 | Cide | it was announced 4/1/04 if that tells you anything |
| 22:17.39 | Cide | or 4/1/05, I forgot |
| 22:17.58 | Codayus | 04, I'm almost certain. |
| 22:18.01 | krka | shhhh |
| 22:18.06 | Cide | :) |
| 22:18.11 | Cide | think so too, Codayus |
| 22:18.12 | id` | ah, screw you guys |
| 22:18.15 | id` | >_< |
| 22:18.18 | krka | one-headed ogres would be more probable |
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| 22:18.30 | id` | cladhaire: they are bullying me :( |
| 22:18.32 | Cide | what was 05's? |
| 22:18.37 | cladhaire | Aaw why for? |
| 22:18.41 | Cide | /pizza? |
| 22:18.44 | id` | cause im stupid |
| 22:18.45 | krka | was that the 0.9~ = 1? |
| 22:18.45 | id` | :( |
| 22:18.47 | Cide | or rather, /panda or whatever |
| 22:19.02 | krka | panda race in wc3 was 03? |
| 22:19.46 | Cide | yeah, but that was true! |
| 22:19.55 | Cide | 0.9~ = 1 was 03 too I believe |
| 22:20.03 | Codayus | sort of, anyhow. |
| 22:20.04 | Cide | but the panda food service was 04 I think |
| 22:20.15 | Cide | err, 05 |
| 22:20.20 | Codayus | 05 |
| 22:20.24 | Codayus | I think...yeah. |
| 22:20.34 | krka | i wonder what it is this yaer! |
| 22:20.40 | krka | probably something with custom interfaces |
| 22:21.00 | Codayus | heh, it'd be interesting if they announced the alliance race on 4/01. |
| 22:21.18 | Codayus | let everyone go nuts for a week trying tgo decide if it was serious or not. |
| 22:21.58 | krka | well, 0.9 = 1 wasn't really a joke, that was a plain truth |
| 22:22.10 | krka | so it could really go either way |
| 22:23.34 | wereHamster | can someone plealse explain me what 'mitigation' means? |
| 22:24.26 | Codayus | in the context of wow? to reduce incoming damage. |
| 22:24.55 | Codayus | armor mitigates physical damage, so if a mob has a 1k hp attack, you mi9ght only take 600 damage. |
| 22:25.19 | Codayus | If you had 40% mitigation. |
| 22:25.29 | krka | whoa whoa slow down egghead |
| 22:25.55 | krka | (+1 int bonus if you can tell me where i got that from) |
| 22:26.11 | wereHamster | Codayus, thanks |
| 22:28.56 | id` | simpsons math |
| 22:29.00 | id` | google |
| 22:29.03 | id` | 25 seconds |
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| 22:30.18 | krka | google is cheating |
| 22:30.24 | krka | you should know simpsons quotes by heart |
| 22:30.44 | Tain | snpp.com |
| 22:35.06 | wereHamster | if there really is a avoidance cap at 60% then all items with +block% are useless.. even styleens impeding scarab or the new shield from AQ.. |
| 22:36.49 | Ktron | Iriel; do the british use 'tence' and 'intence'? |
| 22:38.15 | wereHamster | right now, unbuffed, I have 16.5% dodge, 25% block and 17% parry which adds to ~58.5% avoidance, add 5% miss rate from the opponent and I am over 60% avoidance.. (I don't have the styleen's impeding scarab or the AQ shield or even the T2 Waist which has 3% block, with those I'd have more than 34% block) |
| 22:38.46 | Ktron | wereHamster-- they don't add like that do they? |
| 22:39.02 | Ktron | yeah, they don't add like that |
| 22:39.36 | wereHamster | in this guide, they say so: http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Guides.Detail&id=93%3Cbr/%3E%3Cbr/%3E%3Cem |
| 22:39.51 | wereHamster | There is a 60% cap on your total avoidance rate (Opponents Miss Rate + Your Dodge + Your Parry + Your Block). |
| 22:40.06 | Ktron | But they _don't_ add quite that simply |
| 22:40.32 | Ktron | with those dodge/block/parry, I think you should be closer to 48% avoidance |
| 22:40.50 | wereHamster | I'm glad to hear that.. but how do they add? |
| 22:41.30 | Ktron | I'm assuming a little here, but I'm pretty sure like regular percentages-- for example, 50% off and 50% off isn't free, it's 25% off... here's a formula for you |
| 22:42.01 | Ktron | 1- (1-dodge)*(1-block)*(1-parry) should be more accurate I think |
| 22:42.13 | sancus | man, they should really provide references for claims like there's an avoidance cap |
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| 22:42.42 | Ktron | hm... give me a second to look through that stuff to the best of my ability |
| 22:43.05 | Ktron | (fyi, not that's its that relevant, but I'm a math major, so I should have the math right, it's just whether I have the right math) |
| 22:43.36 | sancus | IIRC there's some kind of order |
| 22:43.45 | krka | question: how hard would it be to do your own localization? |
| 22:43.51 | sancus | like, dodge chance is checked first, and only if you dont dodge do you even check parry |
| 22:43.53 | krka | to change zone names and stuff |
| 22:44.15 | Tain | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mitch_Hedberg <- For when you need a little extra funny. |
| 22:44.33 | Violentnight | krka: I'd imagine you'd only need to find the variable name that the text is stored in and set it to a new value |
| 22:44.49 | Ktron | Actually, wereHamster, I'm pretty certain that this Warrior's stats guide is flat out wrong for the avoidance section |
| 22:45.02 | Ktron | Let's see if I can find anything from blizzard about game mechanics |
| 22:45.44 | Ktron | Well, for one, wouldn't a 50% increase to dodge (a rogue skill) be kind of excessive, if we start with like 10% parry and like 20% dodge? |
| 22:45.53 | Violentnight | gl with that--I've never seen Blizzard post anything about any of their game's mechanics |
| 22:46.16 | sancus | well its ign which means its not very credible |
| 22:46.26 | sancus | and the fact he doesnt reference any of his claims makes it much less credible |
| 22:46.54 | Violentnight | "I bought myself a parrot. The parrot talked. But it did not say, 'I'm hungry,'... so it died." |
| 22:47.04 | Ktron | sancus; and the fact that he blantantly ignores how percentages work convinces me its wrong |
| 22:47.07 | krka | i am thinking the zone names and stuff is built in beyond addons |
| 22:47.46 | Ktron | 40 % to dodge and 30 % to parry and 30 % block doesn't mean you don't get hit w/o the cap |
| 22:47.51 | Violentnight | krka: possibly... zone names are, for the most part, proper nouns so they look the same in any language--like Pepsi or McDonald's |
| 22:47.58 | sancus | that doesnt even make sense either |
| 22:48.03 | sancus | because like, blocking IS NOT mitigation |
| 22:48.09 | sancus | you only mitigate as much per hit as your block value is |
| 22:48.15 | krka | stuff like Westfall and Goldshire can be translated |
| 22:48.17 | sancus | so that would encourage warriors to _reduce_ their block value at a certain amount |
| 22:48.19 | wereHamster | I've see a good guide.. but I can't find it.. |
| 22:48.21 | sancus | and replace it with dodge/parry |
| 22:48.23 | sancus | which is enormously absurd |
| 22:48.30 | Ktron | I was told block was the last of the order too... as in you dodge then parry then block |
| 22:48.40 | sancus | Yeah I think that's correct |
| 22:49.00 | Ktron | sancus; which suggests, for rage generation, you should lower your dodge |
| 22:49.01 | wereHamster | some guild that has been disbanded but the guy keeps the site online with mods and a warrior guide.. |
| 22:49.02 | Violentnight | Ktron: assuming Blizzard took the same philosophy in WoW as they did in Wc3... blocking (and their derivitive functions) don't stack, but work in sequence. So you'd have a 40% change to block due to some skill.. if that fails to block it, you have a 30% chance to block with your shield.. if that doesn't block it, etc.. |
| 22:49.07 | krka | Pepsi = Bubbelblask, McDonalds = Köttibrödhandlarn in swedish |
| 22:49.19 | sancus | right |
| 22:49.20 | Violentnight | Swedes are weird people ^_^ |
| 22:49.24 | sancus | that is how they work |
| 22:49.43 | Ktron | Violentnight; right, I understand the mathematics, that's what I'm trying to point out is wrong with the guide, heh, you should not be even trying to correct me there ;) |
| 22:49.57 | Violentnight | hehe.. sorry ^_^ mid-convo |
| 22:50.27 | Ktron | here, I'll make a real calculator for your percentages, etc, I should be able to smack that together in PHP quickly |
| 22:50.42 | wereHamster | ah found it.. http://evilempireguild.org/guides/ but he doesn't talk about avoidance :( |
| 22:50.51 | Violentnight | "I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra scary to me, because there's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. 'Run. He's fuzzy. Get outta here.'" |
| 22:51.14 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 22:52.15 | SP|Sorren | sigh, i give up on trying to hold rank, ill just try to hold onto rank 6 for pots |
| 22:52.37 | Shadowd | But PVPing 16 hours a day is fun |
| 22:52.47 | SP|Sorren | i get a lot of work done |
| 22:52.48 | SP|Sorren | in the queues |
| 22:52.58 | SP|Sorren | its like 14 hours of queues, 2 hours of games ;P |
| 22:53.08 | Shadowd | Thats the only advantage to being Alliance. 1 hour queues |
| 22:53.15 | SP|Sorren | im horde |
| 22:53.17 | SP|Sorren | ;o |
| 22:53.23 | SP|Sorren | alliance queues are instant on mug'thol |
| 22:53.40 | id` | I want to climb a mountain . not so I can get to the top . cause I want to hang out at base camp. That seems fucking fun as shit. You sleep in a colorful tent, you grow a beard, you drink hot chocolate, you walk around... "Hey, you going to the top?" . "Soon." |
| 22:53.44 | id` | ahahah |
| 22:53.47 | id` | man |
| 22:53.49 | id` | :p |
| 22:53.54 | id` | this guy is awesome |
| 22:53.54 | id` | ;p |
| 22:53.59 | Violentnight | "People teach their dogs to sit; it's a trick. I've been sitting my whole life, and a dog has never looked at me as though he thought I was tricky." |
| 22:54.03 | id` | :d |
| 22:54.25 | Shadowd | It gets annoying testing BG Mods though with an hour queue |
| 22:54.35 | id` | an hour?! |
| 22:54.36 | id` | lol |
| 22:54.37 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 22:54.46 | id` | im getting pissed when it takes me 15 mins |
| 22:54.47 | SP|Sorren | bleeding hollow was the same way |
| 22:54.50 | SP|Sorren | instant alliance queues |
| 22:54.50 | Shadowd | id`: die! |
| 22:54.56 | SP|Sorren | 20-40 minute horde queues |
| 22:54.56 | id` | Shadowd: <3 |
| 22:55.02 | id` | server queue? |
| 22:55.04 | id` | what's that.. |
| 22:55.05 | SP|Sorren | bh had a 1.2:1 ratio too |
| 22:55.07 | Shadowd | I'm at 43 minutes out of my 57 minute WSG queue |
| 22:55.09 | SP|Sorren | A:H |
| 22:55.09 | AnduinLothar | KJ alliance que is 1.5hr |
| 22:55.18 | AnduinLothar | av |
| 22:55.19 | SP|Sorren | there were actually more alliance than horde, just none of them played the BG |
| 22:55.31 | Violentnight | Shadowd: and the 57 minute is just an estimate.. if you got in early, you may be there for 2 or more hours |
| 22:55.33 | id` | i will NOT wait an hour in a game just do play a game in a game |
| 22:55.34 | Ktron | Cairenn; if I write a php WoW calculator script up all nice, would WoWi host it if people want it or you think its useful? |
| 22:55.38 | id` | you people are crazy |
| 22:55.41 | id` | go play other games |
| 22:55.42 | Violentnight | er.. not estimate.. an average |
| 22:55.43 | SP|Sorren | av is generally pretty fast because people are popping in and out while waiting for AB |
| 22:55.44 | id` | >_o |
| 22:55.50 | Shadowd | Violentnight: Yeah, but it's typically right |
| 22:56.14 | Cairenn | ktron, as long as you follow the rules of our site, yes we would :) |
| 22:56.15 | SP|Sorren | thats horrible |
| 22:56.20 | Shadowd | like 95% of the games are around 20-30 minutes long. |
| 22:56.22 | SP|Sorren | are you guys on a PvP or PvE server? |
| 22:56.35 | Shadowd | Icecrown PvE |
| 22:56.37 | krka | RP-PVP |
| 22:56.40 | Violentnight | Shadowd: hasn't been for me... sometimes it's like a one minute wait and other times it's a few hours and I just give up and go to bed. I've never had it near the average time |
| 22:56.41 | SP|Sorren | it sworse when you play w/ a guild group |
| 22:56.43 | SP|Sorren | and you get in to a game |
| 22:56.46 | SP|Sorren | and 5 minutes later |
| 22:56.52 | SP|Sorren | you're out because you 5-capped them |
| 22:57.00 | SP|Sorren | back to the 40 minute queue |
| 22:57.13 | Cairenn | IceDown was actually my original server |
| 22:57.29 | Violentnight | <!-- Archimonde, pvp server |
| 22:57.32 | krka | wait... is there both icedown and icecrown? |
| 22:57.35 | krka | or are they the same? |
| 22:57.37 | Shadowd | same |
| 22:57.38 | krka | if so, why two names? |
| 22:57.46 | SP|Sorren | didnt transfer to mug'thol viol ;P |
| 22:57.46 | Shadowd | because Icecrown went down a lot and wasn't that stable |
| 22:57.47 | Cairenn | Icecrown is one of the terrible twenty |
| 22:58.09 | krka | a server with some extra cromosomes? |
| 22:58.13 | Violentnight | SP|Sorren: nah.. too much effort. Seems to have worked out for the best too--no more server queue now |
| 22:58.21 | Shadowd | Violentnight: I'd say it's about 90% accurate, and if it's off it's off by about 5-10 minutes. During the first 1-2 hours of PVP and the last 1-3 hours it's not that accurate, but it does a good job of giving you a number |
| 22:58.36 | id` | I like swiss cheese. It's the only cheese you can draw with a pencil and identify. You can draw American cheese, but someone will think it's cheddar. Swiss cheese is the only cheese you can bite and miss. "Hey Mitch - does that sandwich have cheese on it?" "Every now and then!" I got some swiss air on that bite. |
| 22:58.44 | id` | pum dum tss! |
| 22:58.45 | krka | Venture co is pretty stable, probably since it's the only server with the ". at the end-bug" |
| 22:59.12 | krka | and no one will fix the bug since no one listens to eu-complaints |
| 22:59.13 | Shadowd | Icecrown hasn't been that bad lately really |
| 23:00.04 | SP|Sorren | weird, they seem to work for me |
| 23:00.10 | Cairenn | someone bump my threads for me, pretty please? |
| 23:00.26 | Cairenn | well, if they need bumping that is ... I can't even see where they are =/ |
| 23:00.35 | id` | I like cottage cheese. That is why I want to try other dwelling cheeses, too. How about studio apartment cheese? Tent cheese? Mobile home cheese? Do not eat mobile home cheese in a tornado. It would be devastating. |
| 23:00.39 | id` | whahahaha |
| 23:00.48 | Violentnight | I think a rotisserie is like a really morbid ferris wheel for chickens. It's a strange piece of machinery... "We will take the chicken, kill it, impale it, and then rotate it. And I'll be damned if I'm not hungry! Because spinning chicken carcasses make my mouth water! I like dizzy chicken. With a side of potatoes of some sort." |
| 23:00.50 | Cairenn | ~lart id` |
| 23:00.56 | id` | wheres moon when you need him |
| 23:01.09 | Shadowd | Cairenn: which thread? |
| 23:01.11 | id` | need to translate a phrase |
| 23:01.12 | id` | :p |
| 23:01.28 | Cairenn|afk | about the portals and about the new t king mod |
| 23:04.43 | AnduinLothar | i love the way acronyms become noun/verb/adjective/particibles |
| 23:04.56 | AnduinLothar | I'm dps'ing |
| 23:05.14 | id` | en i dont get that one, tbh |
| 23:05.18 | id` | eh* |
| 23:05.31 | id` | dps is a stat, how can it be an activity |
| 23:05.44 | krka | dps is a retarded way of saying it :/ |
| 23:05.50 | AnduinLothar | in this case it means doing as much damage as possible |
| 23:05.57 | id` | thats not dps |
| 23:05.59 | id` | AT ALL |
| 23:06.09 | krka | damage over time would be a better way of saying it |
| 23:06.21 | AnduinLothar | nope, but everyone uses it as such |
| 23:06.23 | id` | 'I'm hitting hard' |
| 23:06.30 | id` | thats rediculous |
| 23:06.34 | id` | stupid lusers |
| 23:06.35 | Violentnight | yeah.. "I'm doing damage per second-ing" |
| 23:06.47 | krka | i'm gonna say DPH |
| 23:06.53 | krka | damage per hour!!! |
| 23:06.55 | Violentnight | sorry.. "I'm damage per second-ing" |
| 23:06.57 | id` | dps doesnt even calculate crits |
| 23:07.14 | AnduinLothar | ur doesnt |
| 23:07.23 | AnduinLothar | yours* |
| 23:07.39 | id` | ..\ |
| 23:07.48 | id` | over what timespand are you wanting to calculate dps? |
| 23:07.51 | id` | simespan* |
| 23:07.53 | id` | ;lkasdjf |
| 23:07.56 | id` | timespan* |
| 23:08.04 | krka | a second! |
| 23:08.06 | krka | obviously |
| 23:08.10 | id` | wrong |
| 23:08.24 | Ktron | weeee! |
| 23:08.26 | id` | you need a timespan to calculate a median. |
| 23:08.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn|WoWzer (n=Kirkburn@151.56.194.17) |
| 23:08.46 | krka | would a median really be suitable? |
| 23:08.57 | id` | i dont think dps would need such a big timespan so it would include critical hits |
| 23:08.59 | krka | wouldn't total damage output / time be better? |
| 23:09.16 | AnduinLothar | literal bastards |
| 23:09.20 | Ktron | http://current.spookey.net/wowm/wowcalculator1.php alright, according the mathematics, ignoring whether there is a cap, this calculator should do it's thing |
| 23:09.36 | id` | it only really has effect when you are 'grinding; the same mob over and over and over |
| 23:09.41 | id` | in exactly the same situation |
| 23:09.53 | id` | other then that ist just a useless stat and useless information |
| 23:10.38 | id` | 'hey look i had blah dps on these 25 different mobs with 3 crits' |
| 23:10.43 | id` | useless! |
| 23:11.17 | id` | all it does is feed the feeling of being in control. |
| 23:11.17 | AnduinLothar | ur missing the point of the verb |
| 23:11.22 | id` | but lets not get there |
| 23:11.29 | id` | next acronym! |
| 23:11.32 | id` | :> |
| 23:11.57 | Kirkburn|WoWzer | Y'know what's really stupid, I've spent ages trying to find a host for my mod website. And then I remember today, oh hang on, my uni can host it! Good old Uni :) |
| 23:12.13 | id` | Kirkburn: wowi ? |
| 23:12.19 | id` | kikburn.wowinterface.com ? |
| 23:12.21 | id` | ;p |
| 23:12.23 | Ktron | oops, I brokes it |
| 23:13.00 | Kirkburn | Well yes, but using my uni if prefer, more control for me. However, I must say that was an excellent idea |
| 23:13.11 | id` | i did that too |
| 23:13.18 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial |
| 23:13.32 | Ktron | Alright, it works... http://current.spookey.net/wowm/wowcalculator1.php |
| 23:13.33 | id` | but my usrebase will be more alive now |
| 23:13.42 | id` | Kirkburn: wutcha making? |
| 23:13.58 | Kirkburn | This will answer u: http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~gp3509/ClearFont/ |
| 23:14.19 | id` | i knew i knew your name from somewhere |
| 23:14.24 | Kirkburn | The last of my garish website designs, mmm orange |
| 23:14.30 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:14.41 | id` | I'd use a different font |
| 23:14.45 | id` | (just kidding) |
| 23:14.52 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:15.16 | id` | unfortunately i like myriad web as my font :( |
| 23:15.54 | Kirkburn | I've heard that a lot ... damn opinions! I was randomly browsing ui compilations today (which I don't use) and suddenly found it had CF in ... made me smile :) |
| 23:16.03 | id` | ;) |
| 23:16.33 | id` | probably a dumb question but does wow support bitmap fonts? |
| 23:16.38 | Kirkburn | I'm much more proud of this wip website: http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~gp3509/Chig/ |
| 23:16.52 | Kirkburn | Bitmap fonts? |
| 23:16.55 | id` | yes as in |
| 23:17.05 | id` | one to one pixmaps of each character |
| 23:17.08 | id` | :p |
| 23:17.18 | id` | ultra crisp ultra small ultra readable |
| 23:17.34 | Kirkburn | Assuming it shows at the right size |
| 23:17.54 | id` | http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/index.html |
| 23:17.59 | id` | i like to use sheldon narrow |
| 23:17.59 | id` | :p |
| 23:19.16 | id` | wb |
| 23:19.36 | Kirkburn | It may be precise, but it hasn't heard of anti-aliasing |
| 23:19.41 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
| 23:19.51 | Kirkburn | And wb |
| 23:20.15 | Ktron | alright, I'm off, bbl |
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| 23:20.56 | Kirkburn | Why do programming fonts have to be so 70s? |
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| 23:21.17 | Kirkburn | :p |
| 23:21.30 | id` | 70's ? |
| 23:21.30 | id` | :p |
| 23:21.37 | id` | *screenshot* |
| 23:21.56 | Kirkburn | I could say 50s, but then we'd be talking holes in pieces of card |
| 23:22.15 | Tain | It's hard to make fixed-width fonts look pretty. |
| 23:22.25 | Kirkburn | Consolas is pretty nice |
| 23:22.34 | Tain | At least compared to non. |
| 23:23.25 | Kirkburn | That is true, more 'normal' than pretty tho. With other fonts you'd have weird gaps |
| 23:25.09 | Kirkburn | id` what was your opinion on the WIP website? |
| 23:26.14 | Kirkburn | I'm watching the Rock ... just noticed that Dr. Cox is in it :D |
| 23:28.02 | wereHamster | is lethon really bugged? |
| 23:29.08 | Shadowd | Only saw one post about him, and usually theres a lot more when somethings bugged |
| 23:29.40 | id` | http://img334.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled2az1.png |
| 23:29.44 | id` | p r e t t y |
| 23:29.44 | id` | :p |
| 23:29.47 | Kirkburn | oh fine, I'll think of a WoW-related question then ... er, that WDN page is excellent! It should really be mentioned mroe prominently |
| 23:30.56 | id` | Kirkburn: the WIP website? you mean that CHIG website? :p |
| 23:31.01 | id` | nice |
| 23:31.01 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 23:31.04 | id` | :) |
| 23:31.13 | Kirkburn | Cool, it's my first attempt at css, glad to see it works |
| 23:31.33 | id` | Kirkburn: still think bitmap fonts are 70's ? |
| 23:31.35 | id` | :P |
| 23:32.06 | Violentnight | "attempt to index field 'CheckButtonObject' (a nil value)" -- does that mean that CheckButtonObject doesn't exist? Because it clearly does. |
| 23:32.10 | Kirkburn | Nah, going back to the early 60s now |
| 23:32.14 | id` | >_> |
| 23:32.20 | Kirkburn | :p |
| 23:32.39 | id` | anyway 0032, work at 0900 |
| 23:32.43 | Kirkburn | Seriously, why have I never heard of http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ before? |
| 23:32.56 | Kirkburn | G'nite |
| 23:33.20 | wereHamster | no shadows @ lethon :) |
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| 23:34.59 | Cairenn | because you haven't been paying attention? :p |
| 23:35.37 | Maldivia | hehe, you can send valentines cards with the stationary... how cute:) |
| 23:36.01 | Cairenn | Maldivia: you can? how cute is that! |
| 23:36.06 | Kirkburn | Well, where would I have found out about it, oh wonderful Cair? |
| 23:36.19 | Kirkburn | And darn it, why isn't my gf a WoW player ... |
| 23:36.22 | Cairenn | ummm, at WoWInterface? On the Blizz UI forums? |
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| 23:36.48 | Cairenn | Violentnight: I'm not sure anyone here is qualified to give you the "assistance" you require ;) |
| 23:37.02 | Kirkburn | I forgot the :p smiley ..... first time I saw it was of ui forums 2day |
| 23:37.25 | Maldivia | Cairenn: /script StationeryPopupFrame:Show() while sending a mail, and you can select the Valentines card :) |
| 23:37.34 | Kirkburn | And then only cause slouken said it was cool |
| 23:37.34 | Cairenn | cool :) |
| 23:37.50 | Violentnight | Cairenn: so I'm not at the bottom of the totem pole anymore? woohoo! |
| 23:37.54 | Maldivia | white/pink background, with red hearts |
| 23:38.14 | Kirkburn | Is there a guys one with Salt Flat racers on? ;) |
| 23:38.23 | Cairenn | Maldivia: that's sweet :) |
| 23:38.33 | Kolth` | Tab-completion in WoW is awesome, btw. |
| 23:38.41 | Cairenn | Violentnight: what made you think you were? |
| 23:38.54 | Maldivia | Cairenn: I was kind of surpriced it worked :) |
| 23:39.12 | Maldivia | Cairenn: and the recipient get's a "Valentine's Day Card" item, with the letter |
| 23:39.14 | Violentnight | Cairenn: well I was (am) the new guy and people used to be able to answer all my questions ^_^ |
| 23:39.30 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: seriously though, wdn has been well known within the author community ever since Bela launched it |
| 23:40.10 | Cairenn | Violentnight: errrr, no .... as I said, there is no one in this channel (to my knowledge) that is *qualified* to give you the type of help you need :p |
| 23:40.55 | Kirkburn | Cairenn: I must've missed out! Glad I found out now ... okay to post link on worldofwar.net shout box? |
| 23:40.58 | Maldivia | Iriel? |
| 23:41.12 | Kirkburn | S-s-s-slouken? |
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| 23:41.13 | Cairenn | if you want to, not sure how they will feel about it |
| 23:41.19 | Violentnight | yay Tem! |
| 23:41.39 | Kirkburn | All warm and fuzzy, hey worldofwar doesn't have one, why should authors there miss out :) |
| 23:41.56 | Maldivia | New API function for Iriel, it seems... |
| 23:42.27 | Kirkburn | What do people here use to find blizz posts on the forums? |
| 23:42.52 | Iriel | They're blue |
| 23:43.00 | Maldivia | hmm, nevermind |
| 23:43.00 | Iriel | Maldivia : Yes? |
| 23:43.19 | Cairenn | and have a graphic beside the thread title, that you can click on to take you to the post |
| 23:43.20 | Maldivia | just looked like a new API function, but found the implementation |
| 23:44.19 | Iriel | Ah. ok.. I'm not paying too much attention so wasn't following any conversation that might have been going on |
| 23:44.33 | Violentnight | yay Iriel is alive! |
| 23:44.50 | Iriel | For a sufficiently loose definition of 'alive' |
| 23:45.03 | Kirkburn | I know, but I've found the thottbot forum shredder to be very useful, but unreliable |
| 23:45.13 | Kirkburn | Was wondering if there was anythng better |
| 23:45.37 | Kirkburn | Alive: noun. often used to mean 'death' |
| 23:45.40 | Iriel | I found a couple on google at one point. |
| 23:45.46 | Violentnight | Iriel: well, you're typing--that's more than usual ^_^ |
| 23:46.15 | Kirkburn | Kirkburn: fool, unable to use simple grammar and tense structures |
| 23:46.50 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: ui.wow knows about us, as we know about them ... Devla and Dark Imakuni are at WoWI on a regular basis, Rushster stops by from time to time as well |
| 23:47.01 | Kirkburn | Iriel: not sure Google is what I'm *really* looking for |
| 23:47.35 | Kirkburn | Cairenn: I think I've noticed one or two of them. Dev's my main font opponent atm :p In a nice way! |
| 23:47.36 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Google to find blizzard post trackers |
| 23:47.42 | Cairenn | same as SilverShadow from CG, and zeeg of wowguru |
| 23:47.54 | Kirkburn | Iriel: Ah, see what u mean |
| 23:48.12 | Cairenn | NeT drops by once in a while too, and occasionally shows up in this channel as well |
| 23:48.23 | Kirkburn | Who he/she? |
| 23:48.30 | Violentnight | Code snippet: http://wow.pastebin.com/545846 -- any ideas on why I'm getting the error listed on line 84? |
| 23:48.32 | Cairenn | one of the admins of CG |
| 23:48.49 | Violentnight | oh oh.. I saw slouken here once! .. what're we talking about? |
| 23:49.24 | Cairenn | for one thing, WoWI hosts a private (hidden) forum for staff members from all the hosting sites to be able to talk to one another |
| 23:49.44 | Cairenn | Violentnight: slouken is in here on a fairly regular basis |
| 23:49.51 | Kirkburn | That's a very good idea, it's great that WoW has such a great community |
| 23:50.13 | Cairenn | although he's been busy with SDL lately, so hasn't been in here so much of late |
| 23:50.35 | Kirkburn | um, I think u know what my question will be ... |
| 23:50.57 | Iriel | Violentnight : because you nested your tables, but didn't give your subtables metafunctions, are you sure your saved variable doesn't a Properties field? Also, are you sure you're firing your VARIABLES_LOADED thing. |
| 23:51.06 | Cairenn | what is SDL? |
| 23:51.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Silly question, when do SavedVariables get saved? |
| 23:51.16 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : Logout/reload |
| 23:51.16 | Kirkburn | Cairenn: Right on! |
| 23:51.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Could I catch those events and do something before the variables are actually saved? |
| 23:52.24 | Maldivia | PLAYER_LOGOUT perhaps... |
| 23:52.31 | Kirkburn | Would that delay logout? |
| 23:52.51 | Kirkburn | What about on player exit? |
| 23:52.52 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae | PLAYER_LOGOUT, probably but do you REALLY need to? |
| 23:52.54 | Cide | SDL is a library with optimized implentations of common things in C++ pretty much (as far as my limited knowledge of c++ goes) |
| 23:52.54 | Cairenn | iriel, have a link handy for sdl? |
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| 23:52.58 | Maldivia | but why not just update the variable when needed? |
| 23:53.06 | Iriel | No, but Cide is thinking of STL |
| 23:53.07 | Iriel | I can find one |
| 23:53.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: SDL = Simple Directmedia Layer, a cross-platform implementation for access to hardware. |
| 23:53.13 | Cide | oh, SDL |
| 23:53.16 | Cide | my bad! |
| 23:53.23 | Iriel | http://www.libsdl.org/index.php |
| 23:53.32 | Cairenn | http://www.libsdl.org/credits.php |
| 23:53.35 | Kirkburn | I thought it might be a bit strange for Slouken to be busy with that STK thing |
| 23:53.40 | Cairenn | sorry, wrong page, but yeah |
| 23:54.01 | Cairenn | slouken created it |
| 23:54.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | What, we're talking about slouken's work with SDL? |
| 23:54.08 | Kirkburn | Oh wait, it's not blizz related? |
| 23:54.13 | Cairenn | no, it isn't |
| 23:54.26 | Cairenn | it came up because I mentioned why he hasn't been in this channel of late |
| 23:54.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | I bet it helped get him the job, though ;) |
| 23:54.30 | Violentnight | Iriel: because you nested your tables, but didn't give your subtables metafunctions, -- huh? |
| 23:54.30 | Violentnight | are you sure your saved variable doesn't a Properties field? -- ya lost me again |
| 23:54.30 | Violentnight | Also, are you sure you're firing your VARIABLES_LOADED thing. -- yes! definity =) |
| 23:54.41 | Kirkburn | Ah, he's generally here during his free time? |
| 23:54.48 | Iriel | Violentnight : /dump your variable |
| 23:54.58 | Iriel | Violentnight : /dump MDProds_DevTools |
| 23:55.00 | Cairenn | he's been known to be in here quite frequently in the evenings, yes |
| 23:55.07 | Iriel | Violentnight : Does it have a 'Properties' entry |
| 23:55.11 | Kirkburn | Okay, all making sense to me now :) |
| 23:55.13 | Cairenn | but he's been busy with SDL of late |
| 23:55.21 | Iriel | Violentnight : /dump rawget(MDProds_DevTools, "Properties") |
| 23:55.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: I am thinking of converting some nested tables to strings before they're saved, since I'll be dealing with a large database. |
| 23:55.52 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : Would you be turning them back into nested tables at load? If so, what does strings buy you? |
| 23:56.20 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : Other than something to spend time doing before save? 8-) |
| 23:56.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: It's per unit, creatures included. They would be "decompress" on demand. |
| 23:56.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/"decompress"/"decompressed"/ |
| 23:56.48 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : An on the fly serializer/deserializer may make sense, but you could just compress on next load |
| 23:56.50 | Kirkburn | Slouken's a busy man! |
| 23:57.07 | Cairenn | and hot, to boot |
| 23:57.15 | Violentnight | Iriel: I don't think it has a properties entry.. it's just defined as MDProds_DevTools = {}... and iterating through the Properties table for the other elements works in another function. I don't have your DevTools loaded to use dump--I should go get them. |
| 23:57.16 | Cairenn | errrr, disregard that |
| 23:57.19 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae | or you could always keep the 'saved' string representation current, and keep the unpacked versions as working ones. |
| 23:57.20 | Kirkburn | ... he's not here? |
| 23:57.29 | Iriel | Violentnight : So it's not a saved variable? |
| 23:57.31 | Maldivia | Cairenn: how could wE? |
| 23:57.40 | Iriel | Violentnight : Yes, you shoudl install DevTools immediately 8-) |
| 23:57.54 | Kirkburn | I wonder if he's ever come on here anon.? |
| 23:57.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 |
| 23:58.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Well, we're talking variables, when they're being updated, will be updated every 1-3 seconds. |
| 23:58.38 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae | So why would you ever stringify them? |
| 23:58.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Compressing them on next load might work... |
| 23:58.53 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae | Or did you mean "Per entity" |
| 23:59.01 | Iriel | Rather than "per unit" |
| 23:59.07 | Kirkburn | Cairenn: so you don't have an addon that replaces all Char Portraits with one of Sam then? No? |
| 23:59.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Per entity, yes. |
| 23:59.41 | Iriel | Ah, then I'd say compress on load would likely be sufficient, or compress based on inactivity, in a periodic OnUpdate |
| 23:59.51 | Iriel | So you dont hit the user with lots of work all at once |
| 23:59.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right. |
