| 00:00.24 | Cairenn | sorry, still busy gnawing away at a test |
| 00:01.33 | Astryl | woot, c89.5 is up again. |
| 00:04.50 | Astryl | woot, my bug is fixed for 1.10 |
| 00:25.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn|Buffed (n=Kirkburn@151.56.224.36) |
| 00:26.05 | cladhaire | I've come to decide that I don't like the event system for unitframes |
| 00:26.24 | cladhaire | I'm running so cleanly with an OnUpdate it makes me want to cry |
| 00:26.59 | Kirkburn|Buffed | Hello! I just had to come on to see if people had fallen off their seats due to the appearance of rislyn?! |
| 00:27.17 | Iriel | well, we knew they were hiring... |
| 00:27.22 | Cairenn | why would they? |
| 00:27.25 | End | I just noticed that. |
| 00:27.41 | Kirkburn|Buffed | Well we've only had slouken for a while ... |
| 00:27.42 | Iriel | The new UIK extracting to a different folder was unexpected |
| 00:28.15 | Kirkburn|Buffed | I like how it mentions that a knowledge of XML and LUA is recommended :) |
| 00:28.20 | Iriel | Yay, login server back |
| 00:29.10 | Iriel | Cairenn: 1.10 changes thread updated |
| 00:29.19 | Kirkburn|Buffed | Very good idea of them, putting it in a new folder |
| 00:29.27 | Cairenn | Iriel: she may be new and all, but if her skin is so thin that she can't handle comments from you, one of the most reasonable people on the forums, she isn't going to survive very well |
| 00:29.27 | End | Iriel: I like that about it. |
| 00:30.19 | Iriel | Cairenn : 8-) I really HOPE my comments come across as helpful and constructive, I thought the code was clear and the document was easy to read. |
| 00:30.39 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 00:30.44 | Iriel | I personally think tutorials should be bulletproof whereever possible |
| 00:31.19 | Kirkburn|Buffed | This is true |
| 00:31.22 | cladhaire | i agre |
| 00:31.25 | Kirkburn|Buffed | But it *was* a long list |
| 00:31.26 | Cairenn | for the record - yes, they did - imo |
| 00:32.18 | Kirkburn|Buffed | Why does Blizz use blp, anyway? |
| 00:32.35 | Maldivia | Iriel: well, I read it as constructive comments... but I guess it can be percieved as a "pissing contest"... |
| 00:32.45 | Iriel | Well, she's not responded, so we'll see 8-) |
| 00:33.13 | Kirkburn|Buffed | Do we know her position? |
| 00:33.20 | cladhaire | Its not.. I wouldn't have taken it that way at all. |
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| 00:33.23 | Iriel | I'm hoping it's a sign that someone who IS responsible for UI stuff will be on the forum regularly. |
| 00:33.25 | cladhaire | and I'm sure Slouken's briefed her |
| 00:33.28 | Ktron | Hey everyone |
| 00:33.34 | Iriel | She says she's the "new girl on the UI team" |
| 00:33.41 | Ktron | Time to pick all of my addons again :) |
| 00:33.46 | Kirkburn|Buffed | Well, i'm sure she's been involved |
| 00:33.53 | Iriel | so I would imagine she's filling the role that was up as a job opportunity for ages |
| 00:34.00 | Kirkburn|Buffed | What was that? |
| 00:34.12 | Iriel | UI developer (lua/xml/photoshop) |
| 00:34.25 | Iriel | (That's my 1 line summary) |
| 00:34.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=legorol@cpc3-cmbg6-6-0-cust242.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 00:34.30 | Iriel | (slouken's post was a bit longer) |
| 00:34.52 | Legorol | howdy |
| 00:36.04 | Kirkburn|Buffed | WTB UI dev |
| 00:36.10 | Wobin_ | Cheap |
| 00:36.24 | Wobin_ | Quick! debuff! |
| 00:36.31 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Buffed: she hasn't "been involved", since she only just started there :p |
| 00:37.17 | Kirkburn|Debuffe | Cairenn: sorry, I never finished by sentence... I meant involved in addons/read the forums |
| 00:37.31 | Cairenn | Legorol: aye |
| 00:37.37 | Legorol | hm, something must have happened whilst my comp was out :D |
| 00:37.54 | Legorol | so, who disappeared from this channel since Rislyn appeared ;-) |
| 00:37.56 | Cairenn | Legorol: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=317211&p=1&tmp=1#post317211 |
| 00:38.07 | Cairenn | no one |
| 00:38.40 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Why would they have to have disappeared? |
| 00:38.42 | Cairenn | it wasn't anyone from the community, everyone from the community that applied was either lacking in graphics or coding ability - or so I've heard |
| 00:38.43 | Maldivia | although, it is a bit suspecious to link to .exe files, not on worldofwarcraft.com |
| 00:39.09 | Wobin_ | He's implying one of us is Rislyn =P |
| 00:39.09 | Iriel | I think if it's a blue post you can be a little trusting |
| 00:39.47 | Wobin_ | Hrm, she's not yet got her little animated avatar =( |
| 00:39.54 | Iriel | This time last week I was almost wishing i'd applied, but I was hating my job at the time. |
| 00:39.54 | Wobin_ | I like those avatars |
| 00:39.55 | Maldivia | Iriel: true - and I had no problem downloading and running it, but still, official host always looks better |
| 00:40.03 | Iriel | slouken only got his avatar recently |
| 00:40.03 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Well, anyone found out what the source website is? |
| 00:40.12 | Iriel | Maldivia : It's apparently a BIG DEAL to get ANYTHING up on the wow site. |
| 00:40.14 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Yeah only took most of a year |
| 00:40.28 | Maldivia | Iriel: hmm, ok |
| 00:40.41 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Er, I think we have an EQ2 player on our hands |
| 00:40.47 | Cairenn | Iriel: heh, didn't I tell you that the 1.10 changes list was going to end up going to 2 posts on the WoWI site? It just did ... |
| 00:40.49 | Iriel | Maldivia : I asked slouken about putting some localization files up at blizzcon (In case you wonder why I know that) |
| 00:40.53 | Iriel | Cairenn : 8-) |
| 00:41.09 | Legorol | i'm not suspicious of the .exe, i am suspicious of who in here is Rislyn ;-) |
| 00:41.21 | Kirkburn|Cursed | No idea whar 'irena' stands for however |
| 00:41.23 | Iriel | I doubt she's here (yet?) |
| 00:41.34 | Iriel | I would imagine that could be her name, or her alterego |
| 00:41.44 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Are you rolling to decide which fingers, wobin? |
| 00:41.48 | Wobin_ | Like Slouken? =) |
| 00:41.50 | Maldivia | yeah... who is http://www.irenapereira.com/ ? :) |
| 00:41.52 | Legorol | Cairenn, is Rislyn someone you know? |
| 00:41.54 | Wobin_ | /roll |
| 00:42.02 | Legorol | Maldivia: just looking at that site now, me too |
| 00:42.04 | Kirkburn|Cursed | A forum! |
| 00:42.06 | Cairenn | if she was, I couldn't tell you |
| 00:42.14 | Astryl | Could you tell me? |
| 00:42.20 | Legorol | that's not true... you know slouken, and you can tell us that fact ;-) |
| 00:42.20 | Maldivia | date of birth: 9/22/1977 |
| 00:42.27 | Cairenn | (you generic, not you specific) |
| 00:42.39 | Astryl | But you like me. |
| 00:43.01 | Kirkburn|Cursed | I'm guessing that forum may gain a few members quite soon |
| 00:43.17 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Okay, anyone tried 'agb-wow.zip'? |
| 00:43.31 | Iriel | Heh, i resisted the temptation to download it. |
| 00:43.33 | Cairenn | Legorol: I can tell you that fact because it has never been hidden |
| 00:43.37 | Kirkburn|Cursed | And it's up as a zip on the site as well, why didn't they link that? |
| 00:43.46 | Iriel | Kirkburn|Cursed : They did, read. |
| 00:43.58 | zespri | what kind of invisibility did mages have in beta? was it same as rogue stealth? better? worse? |
| 00:44.01 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 00:44.13 | Iriel | zespri: I believe quite a lot better |
| 00:44.34 | Wobin_ | http://www.digitalexperiments.com/InterfaceAddOnKit.zip |
| 00:44.46 | Shadowd | You couldn't move around though could you? |
| 00:44.50 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Iriel: dammit! |
| 00:45.07 | Iriel | It's just a zip of the exe tho |
| 00:45.11 | Iriel | doesn't buy you anything |
| 00:45.17 | zespri | Iriel, is there anywhere I could read about this? Or do you remeber how better it was? |
| 00:45.20 | Iriel | other than getting past work filters against DL'ed exe's |
| 00:45.22 | Gryphen | paranoid peeps heh |
| 00:45.34 | Iriel | zespri: I'm going off discussions (read, flamewars) shortly after launch. |
| 00:45.41 | Kirkburn|Cursed | I think they know we're gonna download the stuff on that site |
| 00:45.45 | Iriel | zespri: no first hand experience 8-( |
| 00:46.01 | Kirkburn|Cursed | I have a feeling there's a bit of a set-up going on here |
| 00:46.28 | Gryphen | jeez |
| 00:46.49 | Cairenn | zespri: it rocked, pure and simple |
| 00:47.18 | Shadowd | Cairenn: I don't think thats what he wanted to know though :p |
| 00:47.35 | Maldivia | Legorol: found anything interesting then ? |
| 00:47.38 | Cairenn | it was invis ... cast it, go where you wish |
| 00:47.50 | Shadowd | So it worked like rogue Stealth basically, but no movement impairing |
| 00:48.02 | Cairenn | none at all |
| 00:48.10 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Blimey |
| 00:48.26 | Kirkburn|Cursed | At least locks would have some use then :) |
| 00:48.41 | Shadowd | WSG would be crazy if that still existed |
| 00:48.43 | zeeg | grrr |
| 00:48.44 | zeeg | stuipd spammers |
| 00:48.45 | Legorol | Maldivia, not yet |
| 00:48.48 | zeeg | are getting WAY out of hand |
| 00:48.55 | zeeg | Maldivia, updatge your wdb templates? |
| 00:49.03 | Legorol | digitalexperiments.com was registered by a private individual using a proxy agent, so that their identity remains hidden :( |
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| 00:49.09 | Maldivia | zeeg: huh? |
| 00:49.16 | zeeg | Maldivia, there's an additional 4byte header now |
| 00:49.35 | Maldivia | zeeg: ohh, haven't looked - I rarely look in those file :) |
| 00:49.54 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Iriel: those font things, do u know u know if they affect the CF rewrite we looked at? |
| 00:50.05 | Iriel | Kirkburn|Cursed : Only if you get the font path wrong 8-) |
| 00:50.05 | Maldivia | zeeg: although, I forgot to upload all item before patching to 1.9.2... otherwise I would have had around 10 new items for youy |
| 00:50.11 | zeeg | :s |
| 00:50.14 | Maldivia | to 1.9.3 |
| 00:50.16 | Maldivia | that is |
| 00:50.19 | Iriel | It means people can write customizable font/texture ocde that validates its arguments |
| 00:50.37 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Okies, cool |
| 00:50.58 | Iriel | Heh, that zip file is a movie |
| 00:51.06 | Iriel | nothing sinister on there 8-) |
| 00:51.18 | Kirkburn|Cursed | I need to rewrite it again anyway if i'm gonna have options in CF .... what kind of movie? |
| 00:51.20 | Maldivia | hmm, would make for a great UI for ClearFont etc... check if the font exists, and then change it if it does |
| 00:51.25 | zespri | I actually don't see anything overpowered about invis if it works exactly the same as stealth minus movement impairing effect |
| 00:52.04 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Maldivia, that's what the addon override section Iriel wrote for me does :) |
| 00:52.04 | Maldivia | hmm, lets invis, and then start casting my 6 second spell |
| 00:52.07 | Astryl | I believe you could cast invis in combat, in beta. |
| 00:52.12 | Iriel | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agb-wow&btnG=Google+Search |
| 00:52.52 | Maldivia | Kirkburn|Cursed: hehe |
| 00:52.52 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Um, I'm hoping that didn't just give away what it might have |
| 00:53.40 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Wait, that's a uk guild? |
| 00:54.11 | Cairenn | hahahahhaha |
| 00:54.17 | Cairenn | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/09/1941234 |
| 00:54.37 | Kirkburn|Cursed | :D |
| 00:54.48 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Silly, isn't it |
| 00:55.10 | Cairenn | no, silly is the fact that I can all but believe it |
| 00:55.14 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Hell, if some of the guild housing ideas were implemented it's possible |
| 00:55.52 | Kirkburn|Cursed | The EU forums actually got a post from Tigole yesterday. |
| 00:56.21 | Shadowd | zespri: You could do stuff like setup 2-3 mages in WSG, hit TOEP/Hero and just nuke a flag carrier as they come. |
| 00:56.21 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Needless to say the regulars were shocked. We don't get devs on our board :( |
| 00:58.10 | cladhaire | Iriel: Have a question when you have a moment. |
| 00:58.15 | Iriel | Yes? |
| 00:59.09 | cladhaire | Remember when we were working on the text parsing routine.. its beautiful and does exactly what I want to. The issue I'm running into is the event-driven model of the unitframes has signifigantly more overhead in a raid. |
| 00:59.18 | cladhaire | As far as GC, and just processing. |
| 00:59.22 | zeeg | this is gonna be hell updating vBulletin to 3.5 :s |
| 00:59.32 | Iriel | Hm, the model of your unit frames? |
| 00:59.34 | Gryphen | :) |
| 00:59.48 | zeeg | Cairenn, can you check up w/ Dolby on the WGP stuffs? |
| 00:59.52 | cladhaire | I'm leaning towards making OnUpdate the default. What are your opinions on something like that? |
| 00:59.55 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Hey, someone signed up for those forums, Tekfrog |
| 01:00.10 | cladhaire | Just kinda trying to sort my thoughts out, and didn't know if you had any perspective |
| 01:00.16 | Iriel | I think the taint(OnEvent) and update(OnUpdate) approach is likely the better one |
| 01:00.35 | cladhaire | What do you mean by that? |
| 01:00.54 | Cairenn | zeeg, post in the forum |
| 01:00.54 | Iriel | You still receive events, but use them just to set 'dirty flags' |
| 01:01.00 | cladhaire | I'm doing that |
| 01:01.07 | Iriel | then OnUpdate you process everything that's changed. |
| 01:01.13 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 01:01.13 | Iriel | which is I think what you're doing |
| 01:01.16 | cladhaire | that's how i'm handling it right now |
| 01:01.27 | Iriel | Or are you saying that you'd ditch the events altogether and just update everything? |
| 01:01.41 | cladhaire | the problem is.. (i THINK its the iterator) using pairs(dirty) is generating about 5-7k/s overhead than the onupdate version |
| 01:01.47 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Y'know I think I'm snooping too much. The forum members are all from California ... |
| 01:01.59 | Cairenn | ? |
| 01:02.00 | cladhaire | Im trying to decide which way to go at this point.. and i'm trying to consider slower machines, etc. |
| 01:02.01 | Wobin_ | I don't suppose Lua has a Split command? |
| 01:02.10 | Iriel | pairs isn't generating any garbage |
| 01:02.15 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Cursed: ? |
| 01:02.22 | cladhaire | k.. i didnt think so-- but its all i could find |
| 01:02.31 | Kirkburn|Cursed | The forum on the beta dl site |
| 01:02.46 | Iriel | cladhaire : Post your code somewhere? I'll try and take a quick look (Depends on whether I get dragged into a meeting) |
| 01:02.48 | futrtrubl | what does Split do? |
| 01:02.53 | Astryl | I noticed that too, Kirk... many of em near me. |
| 01:03.07 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastebin.com/547664 |
| 01:03.13 | cladhaire | that's the OnUpdate and OnEvent |
| 01:03.29 | Legorol | Ok, I am now officially scared of the Internet |
| 01:03.45 | Cairenn | Legorol: ? |
| 01:03.46 | Wobin_ | futrtrubl: Given a string and a delimiter, returns a array of strings |
| 01:03.50 | Legorol | It's crazy what you can dig up on someone with half an hour's research when you don't even know who they are |
| 01:03.55 | cladhaire | all i've been able to see (notfighting anything atm) is that when i UnregsterAllEvents from my frame.. I drop a good 8-10k/s and I can make it jmp right back up by registering again |
| 01:03.56 | Kirkburn|Cursed | I dunno, it's a random uk guild beta vid, and a private forum with californian members. |
| 01:04.00 | Legorol | just because they have a nick, and they link to a download |
| 01:04.11 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Very worrying |
| 01:04.14 | Cairenn | Legorol: I dare you to find anything on me |
| 01:04.21 | Iriel | cladhaire : And you're sure it's not your other code? |
| 01:04.22 | Kirkburn|Cursed | I'm surprised the index is open |
| 01:04.29 | Gryphen | why? |
| 01:04.36 | Gryphen | why does it have to be such a scandal? |
| 01:04.40 | Legorol | Cairenn, is that a challenge? |
| 01:05.02 | cladhaire | it could be |
| 01:05.04 | cladhaire | let me toss that up |
| 01:05.05 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Scandal, what scandal? I just feel dirty for looking |
| 01:05.07 | sancus | Cairenn wants a stalker |
| 01:05.19 | cladhaire | cause it gets run an average of 10 times more when using teh event model |
| 01:05.23 | cladhaire | but i didn't see anythign obvious |
| 01:05.24 | Maldivia | cladhaire: hmm, wouldnt it be a good idea to clear dirty, when you update for all visiable units? |
| 01:05.24 | Iriel | Comment out WatchPoo:UpdateUnit(k) |
| 01:05.26 | Iriel | in your OnUpdate |
| 01:05.29 | Cairenn | no Andrei, luv, I have you |
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| 01:05.45 | Astryl | Does anyone know Ratbert_CP? |
| 01:05.56 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Yep, just an oversight |
| 01:06.02 | Astryl | And stalking is not joke-worthy. I had a stalker... crossed continents to get to me. |
| 01:06.15 | cladhaire | Iriel: pulling some giants.. i'll do that now |
| 01:06.28 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastebin.com/547667 is my UGLY updateunit atm |
| 01:06.43 | Iriel | I had one too at one point.. psycho. ugh. |
| 01:07.14 | Kirkburn|Cursed | God I hope they're not that common ... |
| 01:07.26 | Legorol | i never had a stalker.. |
| 01:07.30 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Actually, having said that, my gf's ex almost turned into one |
| 01:07.47 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Although that might have been because I stole her from him. |
| 01:08.04 | cladhaire | I could be entirely on crack as well.. that's very possible =) |
| 01:08.30 | Legorol | The real scary part is: I beleive I have managed to dig up a photo of Rislyn |
| 01:08.38 | Astryl | link! |
| 01:08.40 | Cairenn | you know, I've never understood that particular expression ... how do you "steal" someone from someone else? Do you kidnap them? |
| 01:08.52 | Maldivia | Legorol: there are lot of pictures on her photo album... |
| 01:08.53 | Legorol | you steal their hearts, of course |
| 01:08.57 | Legorol | and the body comes with it |
| 01:09.06 | Legorol | Maldivia: really? i missed that |
| 01:09.36 | Astryl | Ah, yeah, there are. |
| 01:09.42 | Astryl | Including wedding photos (sorry Lego) |
| 01:10.03 | cladhaire | Iriel: nevermind.. it makes sense. |
| 01:10.10 | Astryl | Anyway, gotta run. Later all. |
| 01:10.48 | cladhaire | Iriel: UpdateUnit concat's 6 strings per unitframe.. that alone gets run 10x as often on the event driven side. |
| 01:11.00 | cladhaire | since the OnUpdate side only runs every 1 second. |
| 01:11.10 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Cairenn: I went for a white van and lots of rope. Actually no, it was more a going to uni alone thing |
| 01:11.33 | cladhaire | Sorry for the stupid-ness |
| 01:11.47 | cladhaire | On the plus side.. it works BEAUTIFULLY =) |
| 01:12.49 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Astryl, we may be going up the wrong path of course |
| 01:14.26 | Kirkburn|Cursed | I read that too |
| 01:14.43 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Ho hum ... I'm off as well. See yas |
| 01:14.46 | Shadowd | later |
| 01:14.59 | Legorol | g'night all |
| 01:15.28 | Maldivia | I wouldn't flex that too much, if I were you... |
| 01:16.09 | Iriel | yeah, it can crack the connectors and cause problems |
| 01:16.56 | Legorol | whateva.. |
| 01:32.47 | sancus | rofl |
| 01:49.42 | ktron|wotf | Time to look through the addosphere and try to find some good ones to use |
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| 01:50.35 | ktron|wotf | damn control-w, working in xchat when I thought I was in FF |
| 01:53.50 | Tain | Ok, time to step away from the UI forum. I'm pretty sure mother never said it but someone's did, "If you can't say something nice.. step away from the forums." |
| 01:54.02 | Cairenn | which thread, tain? |
| 01:54.05 | Corrodias | listen to 80 |
| 01:54.08 | Corrodias | 's pop music |
| 01:54.09 | Maldivia | Tain: hehe |
| 01:54.48 | Codayus | heh |
| 01:55.20 | Tain | I already just responded to one I should have let go, and then started replying to, "NEED INTERFACE IDEA!!!" |
| 01:55.42 | Corrodias | interface idea: stop playing. that solves the interface question. |
| 01:55.53 | Iriel | Tain: I probbaly would have said 'Anyone who was competent enough to modify this could would be able to build something of their own from scratch with less effort using the same [TOS-violating - my addition] technique" |
| 01:56.34 | Tain | It's true, Iriel. |
| 01:57.21 | Tain | Someone will, of course. Well actually, that's not even a completely true statement. Honestly I still see the more importantly "bad thing (tm)" being injecting commands back to WoW via code, not reading stuff out. |
| 01:57.27 | Tain | Not that getting it out is ok either. |
| 01:57.44 | Iriel | The tools to send data in are 'readily available' however |
| 01:57.53 | Iriel | though hopefully warden is checking for them |
| 01:58.47 | Tain | Yeah, I guess you're right. I do still wonder about the launcher, is it supposed to tell you when you might have something they know is bad? |
| 01:59.02 | Codayus | I've never quite understood the problem with them, incidentally. |
| 01:59.54 | Tain | Some things are a grey area, not grey as in whether or not you can use them with WoW, but what exactly happens when Warder sees that you have something that you *could* use with WoW in a "bad way." But you don't. |
| 02:00.33 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hehe... just after you posted your dont post in all caps... another all caps post :) |
| 02:00.42 | Codayus | that is, why does bliz care about ways to get data out? |
| 02:00.45 | Cairenn | which I just responded to |
| 02:01.26 | Tain | Well Codayus, I was thinking the same thing but Iriel reminded me why it is a problem. It isn't necessarily a problem in and of itself, it's being able to combine different pieces. |
| 02:02.54 | sancus | caps lock is the cruise control of awesomeness |
| 02:03.05 | Tain | For example if you use some app outside of WoW that let's say sends a keypress into the game. Not a huge deal really. But combine it with something else that can scan output to see WHEN you should send that keypress, and you're on your way to automation. |
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| 02:04.06 | Codayus | Ah. Okay, I'll buy that. Security is a hobbby of mine. I understand the idea of multilayered defenses, which I guess this would be an example of, really. |
| 02:04.50 | sancus | wow has security? |
| 02:04.58 | Tain | As has already been said, you really can't elimate it entirely. You just make it as difficult as possible so that people by the thousands can't simply click a few buttons and they're off and running. |
| 02:06.02 | Tain | Speakin of security, I saw something that made me laugh where someone was asking how people keep track of multiple SecureID digital token keys (or whatever they're calling them). |
| 02:06.20 | Tain | Someone pointed to a website where a guy just had a webcam on his so he could look at it wherever he was and had to enter the id. |
| 02:06.50 | Codayus | !!!! |
| 02:07.30 | Tain | It was evidently a joke, but the guy who did it in the first place also said he didn't see why you couldn't do it. hehe |
| 02:08.05 | Codayus | No, there isn't... |
| 02:08.17 | Iriel | As Bruce Schnier (sp) pointed out, it's pretty secure as long as you dont know who the person is. |
| 02:08.44 | Tain | Yeah, but of course I've never been a fan of security through obscurity. :) |
| 02:09.00 | Codayus | That's also true. But...still.' |
| 02:09.39 | Codayus | The answer to stupid security measures isn't more stupidity...even if thats how people react |
| 02:10.16 | Cairenn | I like my obscurity, thanks |
| 02:10.29 | Codayus | (which iws why stupid security is so harmful - soon it makes you worse off as employees work to bypass it...) |
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| 02:12.49 | Legorol | Cairenn, or anyone else: who packages the T.King UI skins into zip files? |
| 02:13.03 | Legorol | i heard he only does the artwork, the "technical" side of things is done by someone else.. |
| 02:13.20 | Legorol | i want to contact that person and get them to stop installing in WoW\Data\Interface and instead use WoW\Interface |
| 02:13.30 | Legorol | My comments to this effect are getting ignored on wowi :/ |
| 02:14.42 | Cairenn | Legorol: he knows, he's been told, but he's the artist and ultimately it's his decision |
| 02:15.08 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 02:15.18 | Legorol | in that case i will stop posting comments, thanks |
| 02:15.36 | Cairenn | I'm with you on this one, but /shrug |
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| 02:15.45 | Legorol | but you do realise that you are technically hosting a file that breaks the EULA/ToU? |
| 02:16.09 | Legorol | ok nevermind |
| 02:16.22 | Cairenn | no, I was completely and utterly unaware of that, thank you for pointing it out to me ... |
| 02:16.32 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:18.30 | Cairenn | :p |
| 02:19.34 | Legorol | i'm a jerk today, aren't i... t'was a long day |
| 02:20.22 | Cairenn | no, it's okay |
| 02:20.36 | Cairenn | see PM :) |
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| 02:37.11 | MentalPower | ~seen Cide |
| 02:37.21 | purl | cide <i=Cide@81-226-233-223-no60.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 2h 40s ago, saying: 'let me try it out for a minute or three'. |
| 02:37.56 | MentalPower | that doesn't seem right... |
| 02:38.05 | MentalPower | ~seen Cide- |
| 02:38.07 | purl | cide- <i=Cide@81-226-233-223-no60.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3h 21m 45s ago, saying: 'but now: bedtime! good night'. |
| 02:38.19 | Tain | I can't get the Stitch addon out of my head. It burs. |
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| 02:38.35 | cladhaire | so painful |
| 02:38.43 | Tain | err UI. |
| 02:38.43 | cladhaire | i cried at work |
| 02:38.52 | cladhaire | you've all seen the frostshock video, right? |
| 02:39.13 | Tain | No, I don't generally have the attention span nor patience for videos of almost any kind. heh |
| 02:39.16 | Wobin_ | hehe yeah |
| 02:39.22 | Wobin_ | So I cast... FROSTSHOOOOCK |
| 02:39.38 | cladhaire | http://www.youtube.com/w/World-of-Warcraft---Frost-Shock%21?v=jui2BdCa2T8&search=warcraft |
| 02:39.41 | Wobin_ | That was the 'switcher' video? |
| 02:39.42 | cladhaire | its .. funny |
| 02:39.44 | cladhaire | i promise. |
| 02:41.09 | Tain | I really need a network clipboard between Windows and Linux of some kind. |
| 02:42.05 | Codayus | I believe I ran across one. |
| 02:42.22 | Codayus | didn't test it, and can't remember where now... |
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| 02:43.40 | Tain | Cute. |
| 02:43.46 | Depherios | um... |
| 02:43.50 | AnduinLothar | who, me? |
| 02:43.51 | Tain | err that comment wasn't meant towards slouken. |
| 02:43.54 | Cairenn | ROFL cladhaire, that one *is* good |
| 02:43.58 | Depherios | there's the VNC proggie |
| 02:44.05 | Depherios | that lets you mouse/clipboard between windows and linux |
| 02:44.18 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:44.19 | Depherios | one mouse and keyboard, for both computers |
| 02:44.26 | cladhaire | Satrina linked it in guild forums |
| 02:44.29 | Tain | Yeah I know Depherios. It's actually just as quick for me to attach to my screen session from my windows computer. |
| 02:44.40 | Tain | So I'm looking for *bam* instant clipboard sharing. |
| 02:44.41 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:44.50 | Tain | I need to kick it up a notch. |
| 02:44.56 | Wobin_ | Feh. I'm still using != |
| 02:45.06 | AnduinLothar | that the shaman vid that's been around for a while immitating the apple switch commercials? |
| 02:45.10 | Depherios | And yes, teh switcher video is hilarious |
| 02:45.20 | Tain | There's something I watched on yourube just a couple of days ago that was very, very funny. |
| 02:45.29 | Tain | If only I could remember what it was, or in what context I even saw it. |
| 02:45.48 | Tain | Oh yeah! |
| 02:46.05 | Tain | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jogPtEBHitY |
| 02:46.10 | Depherios | http://www.craftingworlds.com/switch |
| 02:46.12 | Tain | Yay for url history. |
| 02:46.23 | Depherios | for the switcher vid, I think that's it anyway |
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| 02:49.24 | Tain | You know the Lilo and Stich UI is kind of like Mr. Miyagi's Crane Kick from Karate Kid. "No can defend." |
| 02:50.18 | Wobin_ | hrm, is there any way to intelligently wordwrap in a tooltip? |
| 02:51.07 | MentalPower | Wobin_: in you find a way, do tell |
| 02:51.48 | Wobin_ | Well, they seem to do it in game =P |
| 02:52.06 | Shadowd | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetText ? |
| 02:53.00 | Wobin_ | Ta |
| 02:53.02 | Wobin_ | =) |
| 02:55.12 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 02:55.22 | Wobin_ | Alas, I'm using AddDoubleLine |
| 02:55.46 | Shadowd | For loop through each character until you hit the limit? :p |
| 02:56.10 | Wobin_ | I could =P |
| 02:56.14 | Wobin_ | But I won't bother =) |
| 03:00.10 | Tain | Oh wow SVEdit is neat. I didn't think I'd like it as much as I actually do. |
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| 03:13.42 | Wobin_ | hrm, anyone know how the tradeskill frame gets the number of reagents you have? (ie is there a function that can return it =P) |
| 03:14.08 | Wobin_ | Or am I going to be storing the contents of my inventory? =) |
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| 03:20.50 | Guillotine | we need a new topic |
| 03:20.52 | Guillotine | Topic for #wowi-lounge is “Mod Dev Discussions: Do your part to prevent crashes. Eat UI developers! (Damn Tem)†|
| 03:21.16 | Guillotine | since he IS food at the moment and all |
| 03:22.47 | Corrodias | so my computer has this "delay" when loading models in XWA. it's not disk activity, it's something between the memory, video card, and cpu that i don't understand |
| 03:22.53 | Corrodias | it's quite annoying |
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| 03:26.05 | kremonte | i read your how-to crash WoW from 2 days ago on wowguru Guillotine |
| 03:26.08 | kremonte | it's wrong |
| 03:26.14 | Guillotine | in what way? |
| 03:26.19 | kremonte | ./script UIParent:Hide() |
| 03:26.23 | kremonte | does not crash your client |
| 03:26.27 | kremonte | it's exactly what alt+z does |
| 03:26.43 | kremonte | if(isVisible(UIParent)) then UIParent:Hide() else UIParent:Show() end |
| 03:26.44 | Guillotine | not really. try doing alt-z to get it back. doesn't work |
| 03:26.48 | kremonte | does for me =/ |
| 03:26.51 | Guillotine | hmm |
| 03:26.53 | Guillotine | wierd |
| 03:26.58 | Guillotine | I tried it to make sure |
| 03:27.01 | kremonte | just did it, and it worked |
| 03:27.08 | Guillotine | well, that's interesting |
| 03:27.12 | Guillotine | you using windows? |
| 03:27.14 | kremonte | yesm |
| 03:27.17 | Guillotine | hmmm |
| 03:27.24 | Guillotine | could be small hardware differences maybe |
| 03:27.27 | Guillotine | dunno |
| 03:27.36 | Guillotine | ill have to add that it seems to not work for some people |
| 03:27.45 | Wobin_ | What's wrong with /script SetItemRef(9832345435)? |
| 03:28.10 | Guillotine | that the server hasn't seen item 9832345435 probably |
| 03:28.17 | Maldivia | will get you disconnected, for trying to link an item that doesn't exist |
| 03:28.19 | Wobin_ | Well, yes, that's the point =) |
| 03:28.46 | Maldivia | but will only get your disconnected once - if you log in again, and run it - no problem |
| 03:28.47 | Wobin_ | oh, I guess you want to hard crash, not just disconnect |
| 03:29.13 | Guillotine | ohhh. you're talking about my article |
| 03:29.15 | Guillotine | ya. that works too |
| 03:29.19 | Guillotine | didn't think of that one |
| 03:29.31 | Wobin_ | hehe maybe tie in Rand() |
| 03:29.56 | Wobin_ | or random() as the case may be |
| 03:30.14 | Guillotine | so in what year did Hitler take control of germany and begin rebuilding the army? |
| 03:30.26 | Maldivia | it really easy to crash WoW :) |
| 03:30.43 | Maldivia | that hard part is to find ways to crash WoW, that's actually legal calls... |
| 03:30.48 | Cairenn | yeah, change your name to Tem |
| 03:31.12 | Maldivia | even easier to get kicked from the server... |
| 03:32.20 | Cairenn | ~tem? |
| 03:32.21 | purl | I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 03:32.27 | Wobin_ | 1934 |
| 03:32.30 | Cairenn | ~emulate Tem |
| 03:32.31 | purl | Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]! |
| 03:32.40 | Wobin_ | http://pages.zdnet.com/stanleytech/humanities/history/hitler_timeline.htm |
| 03:32.50 | zeetg | hm |
| 03:32.56 | Guillotine | would someone do me a favor? You need iriel's devtools (for /dump). In game, type /dump GetUnitSex('player') and let me know if it says 'Don't you wish' as the error code. I'm wondering if slouken did that or if its something one of my addons put in |
| 03:32.59 | Guillotine | TY wobin :D |
| 03:33.13 | zeetg | lol |
| 03:33.22 | Wobin_ | President Hindenburg, the last remaining obstacle to complete power for Hitler, dies. Hitler now joins the post of President to Chancellor and becomes Fuehrer (Supreme Leader). The army swears an oath of loyalty to Hitler. Hitler now has total control of Germany. |
| 03:33.33 | zeetg | it should return 0 or 1 |
| 03:33.35 | zeetg | i believe |
| 03:33.42 | Guillotine | zeetg: thats UnitSex('player') |
| 03:33.46 | Guillotine | its a common mistake |
| 03:33.47 | zeetg | oh |
| 03:33.55 | zeetg | whatws the dif |
| 03:33.55 | Guillotine | and when you do the wrong one, I at least get the error code 'Don't you wish' |
| 03:34.15 | Guillotine | just that its a different command |
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| 03:36.18 | Guillotine | usually, you'd expect an error 'invalid command' or something of the sort |
| 03:36.27 | MentalPower | well I don't have Iriel's Dev tools, but GetUnitSex gives me a nil global error |
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| 03:37.51 | MentalPower | Error: [string "ChatFrame3:AddMessage(GetUnitSex('player'))"]:1: attempt to call global `GetUnitSex' (a nil value) |
| 03:38.25 | ktron|wotf | Is there any other ingame addon managers still out there besides Master Control Program? in partisular... aced ones? |
| 03:38.51 | Guillotine | MentalPower: ty. guess it's one of my addons that added that in as a joke for an unsuspecting author :/ |
| 03:39.02 | Guillotine | ktron: not that I know of |
| 03:39.30 | Guillotine | uh oh. someone released a spoofing addon to curse. http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3307 |
| 03:39.33 | Guillotine | and it wasn't me or kremonte |
| 03:39.42 | zeetg | hmmm |
| 03:39.45 | Maldivia | wasn't me either... and old news... |
| 03:40.41 | Guillotine | ya. he says hes the first. more like just the first one to figure it out and be stupid enough to release it publicly :/ |
| 03:41.46 | Guillotine | haha. and he uses more code in his addon for adding text after the link than kremonte and I do for text after, text before, spoofing stats, and completely redoing item links |
| 03:42.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | ktron|wotf: I hate to say it, but MCP doesn't really need Ace'ing. It just modifies what addons you have enabled or disabled, it doesn't even have its own database. |
| 03:42.33 | ktron|wotf | GenNMX|Thrae; that's fine... I just was trying to figure out whether there were any other options out there any more |
| 03:43.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah no wait, stratch that, it does have its own database |
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| 03:44.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | I guess MCP could stand to be tightened, but since Ace itself has all the capabilities of MCP for Ace mods... |
| 03:45.38 | Wobin_ | I was considering doing something like that... |
| 03:45.47 | Wobin_ | But then I tried using AceGUI and cried. |
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| 03:46.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hah! Well get used to it, since 1.10 will bring in all sorts of nice AceGUI-type GUI assistance mods ;) |
| 03:46.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | And AceGUI will change a lot with 1.10, too. Whenever Tem stops crashing WoW to do it. |
| 03:47.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, just the underlying portions of AceGUI./ |
| 03:47.14 | Wobin_ | I'd be happier once AceGUI is a little better documented =) ATM I'm scrabbling around blind |
| 03:47.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Did you follow Matryx's tutorial? |
| 03:47.41 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 03:47.49 | Wobin_ | but it doesn't go far enough =) |
| 03:48.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | What part did you get stuck on? |
| 03:48.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Not of the tutorial, of what you were coding. |
| 03:48.42 | Wobin_ | hrm, I'm not sure =) |
| 03:49.12 | Wobin_ | Actually, the last time I tried using AceGUI, it fell over on loading saying that the Commands for the slash command was ... wrong |
| 03:49.23 | Wobin_ | once I removed the AceGUI component, it worked fine |
| 03:49.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Sounds like you missed a , or { or } somewhere |
| 03:49.57 | Wobin_ | Not that I could see =\ |
| 03:50.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Do you want me to take a look? |
| 03:50.53 | Wobin_ | Hm, I probably don't have the code at hand at the moment |
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| 03:57.06 | ktron|wotf | Cairenn; can you force diivverr to update Diivskins? |
| 03:57.08 | ktron|wotf | heh :) |
| 03:58.40 | Cairenn | ktron: highly unlikely: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1423&highlight=diivskins |
| 03:59.13 | Guillotine | I so wish you could use reg exp's in google |
| 03:59.17 | Osagasu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=577886&p=1&tmp=1#post577886 |
| 03:59.17 | Guillotine | would help so much when searching for a date |
| 03:59.24 | Osagasu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7041929&p=1&tmp=1 |
| 03:59.32 | Osagasu | Priest improvements |
| 03:59.35 | Osagasu | some of them |
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| 03:59.52 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 04:00.52 | Guillotine | oh wow |
| 04:00.58 | Guillotine | I like those racial spell updates |
| 04:01.04 | Guillotine | though mine aren't changing a bit |
| 04:01.05 | Osagasu | I love the elune's grace |
| 04:01.13 | Osagasu | increases dodge rate is <3 |
| 04:01.16 | Guillotine | starshards one isn't bad either |
| 04:01.22 | Guillotine | human one sounds really nice |
| 04:01.24 | Esamynn | Ok, I expect I'm going to feel silly when someone spots the problem with this XML snippet, but i'm tired of looking at it, the first StatusBar object shows up on my screen, but the 2nd one won't show for some reason, plz point out my n00b mistake: http://wow.pastebin.com/547835 |
| 04:03.14 | Guillotine | its there |
| 04:03.16 | Guillotine | just offscreen |
| 04:03.46 | Guillotine | ill get the problem snippet in a second |
| 04:03.58 | Guillotine | problem is you mixed up left and right for one of the attachment points |
| 04:04.13 | Esamynn | yes, the object is being created, just not being shown on screen |
| 04:04.33 | Guillotine | line 25 |
| 04:05.34 | Guillotine | either switch those, or switch the x offset to positive |
| 04:05.41 | Guillotine | not sure which side of the screen you meant to have it on |
| 04:06.32 | Guillotine | and if that works, I need you to find a couple WW2 dates for me in return... |
| 04:06.36 | Guillotine | :P |
| 04:07.56 | Guillotine | guess someone finally ate him |
| 04:08.37 | Esamynn | sorry, phone call came in |
| 04:09.08 | Esamynn | thats the fontstring anchor, its the whole statusbar that isn't showing: RedemptionRaidManager_RaidStatusBar8 shows up fine, RedemptionRaidManager_RaidStatusTotalBar is created, but doesn't show |
| 04:10.36 | Guillotine | then line 12. it looks like you did the same thing all over |
| 04:11.01 | Guillotine | is RaidStatusBar8 working? |
| 04:11.40 | Guillotine | oh wait. this is relative to status bar 8. not UIParent. my bad |
| 04:12.53 | Guillotine | im not sure :/ sry. I really don't know anything about xml other than what I've learned from using DFM. I'm more of a reg exp kind of guy ;) |
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| 04:15.05 | Esamynn_ | oh wait, I bet its the fact that RedemptionRaidManager_RaidStatusBar8 is inherited from a virtual frame! |
| 04:16.17 | Esamynn_ | am I coming through, my internet is being flacky? |
| 04:17.31 | Guillotine | well, he was |
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| 04:21.18 | Esamynn | there, silly internet connection, can you hear me again? |
| 04:22.29 | Esamynn | lol, I just spotted the problem Guill, its appear, just not where I expected it because oh a n00b mistake that doesn't show in that code snippet ;) |
| 04:22.36 | Cairenn | did someone say something? |
| 04:22.55 | Guillotine | lol |
| 04:23.04 | Guillotine | Esamynn: ahh. what was it? I'm trying to learn some xml ;) |
| 04:23.13 | Guillotine | and we could hear you just fine. until you d/c |
| 04:24.03 | Esamynn | the RedemptionRaidManager_RaidStatusTotalBar is quite a bit longer than the one I was anchoring it too and so its left side was appearing off the screen and of course since it's default value was 0 I couldn't see any of it |
| 04:24.14 | Esamynn | <Anchor point="TOPLEFT" relativeTo="RedemptionRaidManager_RaidStatusBar8" relativePoint="BOTTOMLEFT"> |
| 04:24.18 | Esamynn | is the fix |
| 04:26.07 | MentalPower | Cide, you around? |
| 04:26.27 | Guillotine | hes not even in this channel |
| 04:26.28 | MentalPower | you show, three failed tab completes should tell you somehting |
| 04:26.30 | Guillotine | so I'd have to say no |
| 04:26.36 | MentalPower | ~lart MentalPower |
| 04:26.41 | Guillotine | haha |
| 04:27.36 | Esamynn | note for the future MentalPower, you can just go ~lart me to lart yourself ;) |
| 04:28.25 | MentalPower | ~lart me |
| 04:29.12 | Cairenn | ~rlart |
| 04:29.14 | MentalPower | thanks Esamynn :) |
| 04:29.20 | Cairenn | there we go |
| 04:29.21 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:29.32 | Cairenn | oh, good target too! |
| 04:29.35 | Cairenn | ~botsnack |
| 04:29.35 | purl | aw, gee, Cairenn |
| 04:29.40 | MentalPower | random lart? |
| 04:29.42 | Guillotine | ooo. looks like we found out who our new UI person is. Yay Rislyn :D |
| 04:29.44 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:30.02 | Cairenn | makes purl pick someone at random to lart |
| 04:31.15 | Guillotine | so... anyone have any idea if Rislyn is anyone we know? |
| 04:31.23 | Cairenn | oh, and for all you naughty people that were poking around where you shouldn't have been, I shut you down :p |
| 04:31.32 | Cairenn | Guillotine: no, she isn't |
| 04:31.56 | Guillotine | Cairenn: poking around? there's stuff to poke around? |
| 04:32.07 | Cairenn | there isn't now |
| 04:32.14 | Guillotine | like... features on WoWI that wern't supposed to be released yet but people ofund? |
| 04:32.16 | Guillotine | found* |
| 04:32.42 | Cairenn | nope, nothing like that ... those that were guilty of it know what I'm talking about :p |
| 04:32.48 | Cairenn | or at least, they should |
| 04:34.38 | Cairenn | ktron: nope, they're good :) |
| 04:35.17 | Cairenn | rislyn had made the mistake of uploading the new beta to her site, but not blocking her index ... I pointed it out to her :p |
| 04:35.26 | Guillotine | haha |
| 04:35.41 | Guillotine | what was there? her credit card numbers? |
| 04:36.01 | Guillotine | or the 1.10 patch? |
| 04:36.21 | Cairenn | no, just that no one should be able to access other stuff on her site without her express consent :p |
| 04:36.52 | Cairenn | there wasn't actually anything there that "mattered", from what I saw, just the fact that I (and others) could *see* at all |
| 04:36.52 | Gryphen | she i supposed to shut her site down? |
| 04:37.12 | Guillotine | gryphen, I think you just confused everyone |
| 04:37.22 | Gryphen | everyone? |
| 04:37.52 | Gryphen | was the exe in root? |
| 04:37.58 | Gryphen | never really saw path |
| 04:38.24 | sancus | cairenn is a do-gooder |
| 04:39.01 | Cairenn | Gryphen: If you copied the link from this post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=317211&p=1&tmp=1#post317211 and then deleted the "/InterfaceAddOnKit.exe" from the end, you were able to access her index |
| 04:39.10 | Cairenn | I pointed it out to her |
| 04:39.16 | Cairenn | now if you do it, you get a blank page |
| 04:39.44 | Cairenn | sancus: call it that if you want, I call it common bloody courtesy |
| 04:39.47 | Gryphen | i thouht it was hosted at her other site |
| 04:39.48 | Guillotine | Cairenn: shouldn't have told us. I can still look in a site's cache |
| 04:39.49 | Gryphen | err |
| 04:39.53 | Gryphen | thought |
| 04:40.26 | Cairenn | yeah, well, if you want to be a slime ball, go for it Guillotine |
| 04:40.41 | Guillotine | Cairenn: I'm not. just saying be careful about how much you let out ;) |
| 04:42.55 | sancus | Cairenn: I call it do-gooding |
| 04:43.01 | sancus | :P |
| 04:43.34 | Cairenn | Guillotine: surprisingly enough, I actually have a fair amount of respect for most of the people in this channel, and am not actually concerned that any of you would do something completely beyond the pale - I told her so that all the other asswipes that are out there couldn't do it |
| 04:43.50 | Cairenn | sancus, dear ... bite me |
| 04:44.24 | Guillotine | I'd still be careful. I do the same thing, but you always let more people know about a problem they didn't know about before. and they can usually find a way to bring it back |
| 04:44.40 | Guillotine | if that makes any sence |
| 04:45.58 | sancus | god I wish we could quit MC |
| 04:46.51 | Esamynn | StatusBars can't take an orientation attribute can they? |
| 04:50.48 | Esamynn | hmm, my testings says they can't, darn |
| 04:53.00 | Shadowd | sancus: How close are you guys to the AQ gates? |
| 04:53.43 | Esamynn | anyone got the UI forums open, is my new thread showing at the top, I can't see it |
| 04:56.59 | Esamynn | oh nm, the sort got changed on me |
| 05:00.30 | sancus | we're 17th |
| 05:00.34 | sancus | 97% or something |
| 05:00.39 | sancus | should be done by the weekend |
| 05:00.43 | sancus | and AQ open by next weekend |
| 05:00.43 | Shadowd | thats not bad then, should be opened tomorrow |
| 05:00.57 | sancus | we still wont quit MC though |
| 05:01.09 | Shadowd | wow, what are you guys waiting on. 6 TF? |
| 05:01.11 | sancus | MT has one binding and wants thunderfury, and a few people still want stuff from rag probably |
| 05:01.18 | sancus | um |
| 05:01.32 | sancus | we've done MC like 60 times and have never seen bindings off geddon ever :P |
| 05:01.59 | Shadowd | I think like 4-5 paladins on my server have TF :p |
| 05:02.23 | Shadowd | And no rogues |
| 05:02.33 | sancus | TF sucks now for everyone except warriors |
| 05:03.15 | Shadowd | But it has a cool effect! |
| 05:03.49 | sancus | technically, its only 2.5 hours out of the week anyway |
| 05:03.53 | sancus | but an annoying 2.5 hours |
| 05:04.14 | Shadowd | It wouldn't be that bad if there wasn't so much trash |
| 05:04.30 | Shadowd | Rather spend 30 minutes fighting a boss then 20 minutes on trash, 10 minutes on boss. |
| 05:04.58 | sancus | cant really have an instance like that |
| 05:05.13 | Shadowd | Well, they did a good job with BWL |
| 05:05.21 | sancus | bwl has the same amount of trash clearing |
| 05:05.24 | sancus | its just deceptive |
| 05:05.25 | MentalPower | GNight guys |
| 05:05.33 | Shadowd | Well it works :p |
| 05:06.03 | sancus | you have like 10 of those 15 mob pulls |
| 05:06.14 | sancus | plus the trash after vael |
| 05:06.21 | sancus | and the 45 minutes of whelp clearing to broodlord |
| 05:06.28 | sancus | and 3-4 3-dragonkin pulls |
| 05:06.34 | Shadowd | 12-14 or so |
| 05:06.50 | sancus | thats the majority of the instance right there |
| 05:07.11 | sancus | because razor is about 5 minutes, vael is 3 minutes, broodlord is like 5 minutes, drakes are each 5 minutes, chromaggus is 10 minutes at most, nef is 20 minutes |
| 05:07.33 | sancus | but fastest I've heard of anyone clearing it is 2.5 hours, same as MC |
| 05:07.47 | Shadowd | Yeah, but BWL appears a lot quicker at least, and having to do 40 pulls of 2-3 isn pretty annoying instead of 13-14 of trash even if it's the same mob count. |
| 05:08.32 | Shadowd | s/isn/is/ |
| 05:09.41 | sancus | ... |
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| 05:16.33 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 05:18.29 | Kaelten | hello everyone |
| 05:18.53 | Cairenn | hey Kaelten :) |
| 05:19.18 | Kaelten | hows it going? |
| 05:19.35 | Cairenn | pretty good ... sleep soon me thinks |
| 05:19.37 | Maldivia | sancus: MC has been cleared in 1 hour 10 mins :) |
| 05:21.31 | sancus | um |
| 05:21.45 | sancus | I'd have to call bullshit on that |
| 05:22.08 | sancus | but I'm aware it's been cleared faster than 2.5 hours, if you do wonky tactics with a lot of pots and multiple pulls at once |
| 05:22.25 | sancus | thats not really the point, just that bwl is as long or longer than MC even though the boss fights are about the same length all in all |
| 05:23.50 | kremonte | can i have shome opinions? |
| 05:24.05 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/dan-rouse.com-beta.jpg < hows that look? |
| 05:24.34 | Kaelten | pretty godo |
| 05:25.09 | kremonte | anything i should change? |
| 05:27.04 | pagefault | ooh the drama |
| 05:27.07 | Guillotine | yes. its in a different language |
| 05:27.11 | pagefault | a shaman is mad at me because I called his class overpowered |
| 05:27.14 | pagefault | like this is news to him |
| 05:27.23 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:27.41 | kremonte | IT'S LIPSUM, I'MA BLOODY KILL YOU |
| 05:27.51 | Guillotine | what's lipsum? |
| 05:28.06 | kremonte | http://lipsum.com/ http://lipsum.com/ http://lipsum.com/ http://lipsum.com/ |
| 05:28.27 | pagefault | ooh |
| 05:28.28 | pagefault | lipsum |
| 05:28.36 | pagefault | I always wondered what exactly that was |
| 05:28.52 | Guillotine | I still think it should be in english |
| 05:29.06 | pagefault | nah latin is cool |
| 05:29.07 | kremonte | yes, to make filler text in photoshop on a non final layout i will type out an essay for 20 minutes :-) |
| 05:29.26 | pagefault | it looks sophisiticated |
| 05:29.28 | Cairenn | kremonte: I like the layout |
| 05:29.37 | Guillotine | indeed. layout is nice. it would just be nice if it was readable |
| 05:29.40 | kremonte | Guillotine: The point of using Lorem Ipsum is that it has a more-or-less normal distribution of letters, as opposed to using 'Content here, content here', making it look like readable English. |
| 05:29.54 | kremonte | what are you reading? i'm asking for opinions on the layout =P |
| 05:29.57 | kremonte | Cairenn: thanks |
| 05:30.09 | kremonte | i guess i'll start out with my trusty notepad and start htmling |
| 05:30.12 | pagefault | it's like sophisiticated in a way it looks like the final product while being filler |
| 05:30.55 | *** part/#wowi-lounge kremonte (n=dan@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net) |
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| 05:31.20 | Guillotine | and whats with the picture of jesus under the title that you won the lottery today? |
| 05:31.49 | Guillotine | layout is nice, but content is lacking. I give your site 3/10 |
| 05:32.00 | kremonte | is foul language allowed? good |
| 05:32.02 | kremonte | Guillotine: go fuck yourself |
| 05:32.03 | kremonte | <3 |
| 05:32.09 | Guillotine | <3 |
| 05:32.12 | kremonte | Guillotine: DUH |
| 05:32.13 | kremonte | it's jesus |
| 05:32.22 | Guillotine | or chuck norris |
| 05:32.24 | Guillotine | I can't tell which |
| 05:32.30 | Guillotine | hehe. <3 your current page |
| 05:32.40 | kremonte | my brother did that |
| 05:32.47 | kremonte | he somehow had ftp access to my site |
| 05:32.51 | kremonte | and wanted to make fun of his friend ray |
| 05:32.54 | Guillotine | tell him he should right for the LA times |
| 05:32.56 | kremonte | too lazy to fix it.. |
| 05:32.59 | Guillotine | write* |
| 05:33.31 | Tain | I wouldn't take that from him. |
| 05:34.43 | kremonte | <[CF]Psychic> I got banned once for making a black Human Rogue called "Brownies". |
| 05:35.04 | Guillotine | huh? i must be out of the loop on this one |
| 05:35.10 | Cairenn | kremonte: who the fuck do you think you are, using language like that in my channel? bastard, eat shit and die |
| 05:35.16 | Guillotine | haha |
| 05:35.26 | kremonte | Cairenn: fuck you :] |
| 05:35.29 | End | yeah, seriously, don't fucking swear |
| 05:35.32 | Cairenn | oh baby |
| 05:35.37 | Guillotine | fucking cursers. they just swear out of their asses |
| 05:35.40 | End | I blame Cairenn |
| 05:35.47 | kremonte | Guillotine: watch your fucking language |
| 05:35.51 | kremonte | there's fucking kids in here, asshole |
| 05:36.02 | Guillotine | hehe. you're probably the youngest |
| 05:36.03 | Cairenn | End: you just shut it, that picture of a nose on your portal is just disturbing :p |
| 05:36.03 | AnduinLothar | woah, i stared reading at the wrong time |
| 05:36.06 | Guillotine | and you're already corrupted |
| 05:36.20 | Guillotine | Anduin: we're just joking ;P |
| 05:36.49 | Cairenn | aaaaanyway ... |
| 05:37.16 | Guillotine | I heard they were releasing a new localization of WoW in the US |
| 05:37.18 | Guillotine | 'Moron' |
| 05:37.29 | Guillotine | changes everything to l33t speak |
| 05:37.41 | kremonte | lol0lol |
| 05:37.43 | End | Cairenn: >_< |
| 05:37.50 | kremonte | Guillotine: i'm working on changing globalstrings.lua |
| 05:37.51 | kremonte | on an onLoad |
| 05:37.57 | kremonte | to all 1337speak and gibberish |
| 05:38.12 | kremonte | LOLoOOO[Player]H5Z COEM ONl1EN |
| 05:38.20 | Guillotine | haha. someone should make an addon that changes EVERYTHING in game to l33t speak |
| 05:38.33 | Guillotine | then force Cide to include it in CTRA for his April 1 release |
| 05:38.39 | AnduinLothar | not too hard. feed GlobalString.lua through a leet translator online |
| 05:38.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 05:38.54 | Tem | WOOOOOO! |
| 05:38.57 | Guillotine | meow |
| 05:39.07 | Tem | [Zandalarian Hero Charm] |
| 05:39.11 | Guillotine | grats |
| 05:39.15 | End | cool |
| 05:39.22 | kremonte | grats Tem |
| 05:39.22 | Cairenn | grats tem |
| 05:39.25 | Kaelten | nice |
| 05:39.27 | kremonte | now um |
| 05:39.27 | End | do you have the talisman already? |
| 05:39.29 | Tem | rolls on Hakkar's heart: 91 |
| 05:39.30 | kremonte | can i have your toep |
| 05:39.32 | Tem | 94 |
| 05:39.33 | Tem | 95 |
| 05:39.39 | Tem | NO! |
| 05:39.48 | Tem | I like my IWIN button |
| 05:39.50 | Guillotine | can I have your soul? |
| 05:39.51 | End | haha |
| 05:39.55 | kremonte | Tem: i have an i win button |
| 05:40.02 | Tem | fear? |
| 05:40.05 | kremonte | no |
| 05:40.13 | Guillotine | so do I. an IWIN macro actually. called '/script while 1 do end' |
| 05:40.15 | kremonte | i changed a full link of a legendary to [I.W.I.N. Button] |
| 05:40.32 | Tem | hehe |
| 05:40.48 | Guillotine | kremonte: you see that someone released a spoofer on curse? |
| 05:41.05 | Guillotine | only does text after the link though. nothing else |
| 05:41.18 | Cairenn | >< |
| 05:41.23 | Cairenn | and curse allowed it? |
| 05:41.28 | Guillotine | I guess so |
| 05:41.32 | Guillotine | stupid of them if you ask me |
| 05:41.34 | kremonte | wtf? |
| 05:41.36 | Tem | ok, study time |
| 05:41.39 | kremonte | link me to it |
| 05:41.45 | kremonte | ill find a horrible exploit in it |
| 05:42.01 | kremonte | i SHOULD be |
| 05:42.02 | kremonte | sleeping |
| 05:42.03 | kremonte | doing work |
| 05:42.05 | Shadowd | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3307 |
| 05:42.07 | sancus | whats wrong with a link spoofer? |
| 05:42.08 | kremonte | programming something |
| 05:42.16 | kremonte | sancus: you answered your own question |
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| 05:43.31 | sancus | not really |
| 05:43.38 | sancus | its entirely innocuous |
| 05:44.08 | kremonte | no, it's not |
| 05:44.11 | sancus | sure it is |
| 05:44.12 | kremonte | when you go into ironforge |
| 05:44.17 | kremonte | hoping to sell the krol blade that just dropped |
| 05:44.21 | kremonte | and all you can see is people doing |
| 05:44.28 | kremonte | [Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB][Nightmare Blade NOOOB] |
| 05:44.33 | kremonte | because they think it's hilarious |
| 05:44.33 | sancus | um |
| 05:44.39 | sancus | that would be stupid people spamming |
| 05:44.45 | kremonte | it provokes them to do so |
| 05:44.48 | sancus | oh nonsense |
| 05:44.55 | kremonte | ..no? |
| 05:44.59 | kremonte | for people that DO use lootlink |
| 05:45.01 | kremonte | it clogs up their DB |
| 05:45.04 | sancus | anything will provoke stupid people like that |
| 05:45.24 | sancus | yea thats mildly annoying, but thats the problem of the people who use lootlink |
| 05:45.25 | AnduinLothar | so then dont use lootlink |
| 05:45.29 | Cairenn | sancus: actually, no it isn't, it's already caused problems that blizz don't like at all |
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| 05:45.37 | sancus | such as what? |
| 05:45.52 | Cairenn | and will be gone as of 1.10 |
| 05:46.05 | sancus | Regardless, they can take it out if they want, it was kind of dumb to have it in in the first place |
| 05:46.22 | sancus | but it's not like they're particularly competent with regards to the item db so whichever |
| 05:46.32 | Tain | I suppose you could say that about every bug, exploit, and "unintended feature" |
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| 05:47.11 | sancus | It's been in for several versions now though, it was vaguely amusing, presumably they could take it out whenever they wanted |
| 05:47.24 | Tain | The good news is that those "incompetant" people take care of those "dumb" things. |
| 05:47.29 | sancus | no they dont |
| 05:47.39 | sancus | They apparently take care of irrelevant things like that |
| 05:47.58 | Tain | I think I'll just go back to what mom says. |
| 05:48.01 | sancus | But they haven't been able to prevent data mining(which should be trivially preventable) on the Test server since it came out months ago |
| 05:48.26 | kremonte_ | sancus: different people do different things |
| 05:48.36 | sancus | doesnt really matter |
| 05:48.36 | kremonte_ | you want the UI developers to fix the game programming? that's not their job |
| 05:48.40 | kremonte_ | yeah, it does |
| 05:48.59 | sancus | It's appalling and reflects poorly on the entire company that over the course of months, they can't secure a simple server-side database. |
| 05:49.14 | kremonte_ | a simple database? |
| 05:49.19 | kremonte_ | just the database for an entire MMO? |
| 05:49.21 | kremonte_ | so simple |
| 05:49.22 | sancus | But they've never been able to secure anything so it doesnt surprise me |
| 05:49.27 | kremonte_ | it's like, a 3 column SQL db! |
| 05:49.39 | sancus | oh noes an entire mmo? you make it sound like its so hard |
| 05:49.44 | kremonte_ | sancus: you asked how links can have an adverse effect on gaming |
| 05:49.53 | kremonte_ | sancus: http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/rainbowletters.jpg that's totally nice to see on my screen |
| 05:50.01 | kremonte_ | being spammed. dozens of times |
| 05:50.04 | sancus | shrug |
| 05:50.09 | Osagasu | two threads on priest improvements for anyone that missed them earlier |
| 05:50.11 | sancus | its spam like any other |
| 05:50.13 | Osagasu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=577886&p=1&tmp=1#post577886 |
| 05:50.20 | Osagasu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7041929&p=1&tmp=1 |
| 05:50.24 | sancus | and its a very weak argument that it "provokes" spamming |
| 05:50.25 | kremonte_ | sancus: it can be used for many exploits |
| 05:50.27 | sancus | practically anything provokes spamming |
| 05:50.33 | kremonte_ | sancus: you can add newlines in it |
| 05:50.35 | kremonte_ | sancus: and colours |
| 05:50.42 | sancus | so basically all irrelevant chat-based things? |
| 05:50.43 | kremonte_ | sancus: in other words, a newline, and a fake GM whisper |
| 05:50.48 | kremonte_ | but everbody in IF can see it |
| 05:51.00 | sancus | you can fake gm whispers without that |
| 05:51.01 | Tain | Now if something could only provoke intelligence... that would be something! |
| 05:51.08 | Osagasu | Its just harder |
| 05:51.10 | kremonte_ | sancus: not to this extent |
| 05:51.11 | Osagasu | a lot harder |
| 05:51.16 | sancus | either way |
| 05:51.18 | kremonte_ | 255 character limit. i use a small font and a large chat box |
| 05:51.27 | sancus | yeah but |
| 05:51.37 | Maldivia | timestamp ftw :) |
| 05:51.37 | kremonte_ | so the biggest you can have is along the lines of, <GM>[A] whispers: lol |
| 05:51.38 | sancus | the goal isnt to fool you, who knows something about the UI and the game |
| 05:51.46 | sancus | the goal is to fool the hundreds of random morons who just hav e adefault chatbox |
| 05:51.47 | kremonte_ | um? |
| 05:51.50 | sancus | which is easy |
| 05:52.00 | kremonte_ | and? |
| 05:52.06 | kremonte_ | i can hex edit a program |
| 05:52.07 | Cairenn | sancus: the reason Blizz is acting on it is because people are actually scamming others with it ... yes, shame on them for not checking, but still |
| 05:52.08 | kremonte_ | but i can decompile it |
| 05:52.12 | sancus | boggle |
| 05:52.25 | sancus | how can you SCAM something with that? don't even look at the item in your trade window? :P |
| 05:52.27 | kremonte_ | should i do a shabby job hex editing it when i can decompile it and do a better job? |
| 05:52.35 | kremonte_ | sancus: you would be surprised |
| 05:52.39 | sancus | well |
| 05:52.39 | Cairenn | the image appears the same |
| 05:52.50 | sancus | still stupidity |
| 05:52.52 | Cairenn | the icon, I should say |
| 05:52.54 | kremonte_ | okay, and? |
| 05:52.58 | Shadowd | Stupidity isn't an excuse to not fix something |
| 05:52.59 | sancus | but blizzard seems dedicated to protecting the stupid |
| 05:53.05 | kremonte_ | the original version of ironforge had bridges |
| 05:53.07 | sancus | so I can see why they would be concerned |
| 05:53.07 | Cairenn | ... |
| 05:53.09 | kremonte_ | and an elevator to old IF and gnomer |
| 05:53.11 | kremonte_ | it was removed |
| 05:53.12 | kremonte_ | you know why? |
| 05:53.14 | kremonte_ | people got lost |
| 05:53.28 | sancus | yes and a lot of people still get lost in UC, whats your point? |
| 05:53.42 | kremonte_ | you shame blizzard for fixing it |
| 05:53.54 | kremonte_ | when you want different workers to redo their database because of insecurity |
| 05:54.05 | sancus | i'm not "shaming" blizzard for fixing anything |
| 05:54.16 | sancus | just suggesting its fairly irrelevant one way or the other |
| 05:54.22 | kremonte_ | <sancus> They apparently take care of irrelevant things like that<sancus> But they haven't been able to prevent data mining(which should be trivially preventable) on the Test server since it came out months ago |
| 05:54.25 | sancus | whereas database security is extremely important |
| 05:54.32 | kremonte_ | it's not fairly irrelevant |
| 05:54.37 | kremonte_ | it _is_ a security issue |
| 05:54.40 | kremonte_ | but, regardless of that |
| 05:54.42 | sancus | uh ok |
| 05:54.51 | kremonte_ | being a master UI programmer doesn't mean you can handle large scale databases |
| 05:55.03 | Tain | It's an opinion. Those can be fairly irrelevant as well. |
| 05:55.06 | Maldivia | sancus; you can't datamine on the test server, more than you can on normal server.. |
| 05:55.07 | sancus | didn't say it did |
| 05:55.23 | kremonte_ | they have no relation to one another, so why did you compare? |
| 05:55.30 | Tain | Especially since the only one that really matters is the one of the person deciding to fix it. :) |
| 05:55.59 | sancus | so what if they have no relation to one another |
| 05:56.00 | Cairenn | different teams work on different projects, this channel deals with the UI side of things and it is good to see that the UI team is fixing a problem |
| 05:56.02 | sancus | its still pathetic |
| 05:56.28 | kremonte_ | you are pathetic, you don't know the problem, and you can't act like you do |
| 05:56.31 | sancus | rofl |
| 05:56.35 | Cairenn | kremonte |
| 05:56.37 | kremonte_ | so please, stop putting down blizzard |
| 05:56.40 | sancus | I know the problem a lot better than you do, you fucking moron |
| 05:56.46 | Cairenn | sancus |
| 05:56.48 | Cairenn | both of you |
| 05:56.50 | Cairenn | right now |
| 05:56.50 | kremonte_ | alright |
| 05:56.52 | Cairenn | STOP |
| 05:57.06 | Cairenn | kremonte, you know better than to do personal attacks |
| 05:57.09 | kremonte_ | sorry |
| 05:57.22 | Cairenn | it's not me you need to apologize to |
| 05:57.23 | kremonte_ | it just pisses me off when people strut around pretending to be high and mighty |
| 05:57.44 | Cairenn | that as may be, that behaviour is not acceptable in this channel, and you know it |
| 05:57.55 | End | oh, and eat meat |
| 05:58.12 | End | don't want those cows to kill us all |
| 05:58.13 | Cairenn | argue facts if you like, do not attack one another personally, period, end of discussion |
| 05:58.13 | Tain | Meat pie. The best of both worlds. |
| 05:58.32 | End | Cow pie. The worst of all worlds. |
| 05:59.22 | Osagasu | Apple pie is better than meat pie... |
| 05:59.40 | Osagasu | and filet mingon is better than meat pie... |
| 05:59.48 | Osagasu | so its not the best of both worlds... |
| 05:59.50 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 05:59.54 | End | just about anything is better than cow pie |
| 06:00.01 | ktron | OMG U LAM3RS RHU8AR8 IS T3H MOST 1337!!!!!!111 |
| 06:00.02 | Osagasu | and with that... |
| 06:00.05 | Osagasu | goodnight. |
| 06:00.12 | End | night-o |
| 06:02.58 | zespri|log | if I have ActionBarButtonTemplate that contains <OnEvent>ActionButton_OnEvent(event);</OnEvent> and then I have zillon buttons derived from this template which a sunscribed to certain event, is this true that when this even fires then ActionButton_OnEvent executes for every of zillion buttons? |
| 06:03.43 | End | depends on what event |
| 06:04.19 | End | if it is an event like VARIABLES_LOADED or whatever, then the answer would be yes |
| 06:04.48 | End | actually |
| 06:04.51 | End | scratch that |
| 06:04.55 | End | the answer is yes |
| 06:05.06 | End | I was getting things confused in me poor old brain |
| 06:06.28 | zespri|log | hm... |
| 06:07.26 | Kaelten | anyone mess with tooltip positioning? |
| 06:08.18 | ktron | Kaelten; no, but I'm glad that you are because it probably means I'll be able to get rid of AF_Tooltip eventually :) |
| 06:08.52 | Kaelten | heh |
| 06:08.54 | End | I've done it a little bit with tooltip positioning |
| 06:09.02 | Kaelten | well its driving me nuts atm |
| 06:09.04 | End | fortunately on my own tooltips, where I have absolute control :P |
| 06:09.35 | Kaelten | well I'm trying to get my tooltip to show up properly and blizzard broke SetPoint in the last patch |
| 06:09.38 | Kaelten | its driving me nuts. |
| 06:10.36 | Tem|Study | good lord Kaelten |
| 06:10.38 | Tem|Study | I sent you a working example |
| 06:10.42 | Maldivia | why aren't you just using SetOwner ? |
| 06:10.51 | Tem|Study | what's still giving you trouble? |
| 06:10.51 | Kaelten | and it won't work |
| 06:11.36 | Kaelten | Tem: well basicall you have to rebuild the tooltipe ach time because SetOwner ClearLines |
| 06:12.04 | Kaelten | and for some reason when I call my function to rebuild the tooltip I have the same problem. |
| 06:12.10 | Tem|Study | ok, that shouldn't be a big deal |
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| 06:12.15 | Kaelten | maldivia: SetOwner doesn't have as exact control |
| 06:12.43 | Maldivia | Kaelten: you have 7 anchors, and possible for x and y offset... |
| 06:12.50 | Maldivia | you should have plenty of control |
| 06:13.00 | Kaelten | yep, but what I need is one of the missing anchors |
| 06:13.21 | Tem|Study | ? |
| 06:13.35 | Kaelten | the biggest problem is when someone comes behind me and calls GameTooltip:Show() the tooltip position doesn't carry over right if the width changes |
| 06:13.56 | Kaelten | what I want to be able to do is "ANCHOR_BOTTOM" |
| 06:13.58 | Kaelten | but it doesn't exist |
| 06:15.23 | Maldivia | and tooltip:SetOwner(...) tooltip:SetPoint(...) doesn't work ? |
| 06:15.34 | Kaelten | nope |
| 06:15.38 | Kaelten | SetPoint silently fails |
| 06:15.51 | Tem|Study | broke in 1.9 |
| 06:15.51 | Tem|Study | maybe you should report that |
| 06:15.56 | Tem|Study | slouken might fix it for 1.10 |
| 06:16.05 | Maldivia | remembering to ClearAllPoints ? |
| 06:16.11 | Kaelten | yes |
| 06:16.47 | Maldivia | have a tooltip mod installed that hook SetPoint or similar ? |
| 06:17.04 | Kaelten | just tipster |
| 06:17.11 | Kaelten | but I'm not sure if it hooks setpoint or not. |
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| 06:17.59 | Kaelten | still happens with tipster disabled |
| 06:18.56 | Maldivia | ok, it's tooltip:ClearAllPoints() that doesn't work |
| 06:19.14 | Kaelten | hmm? |
| 06:20.34 | Maldivia | SetPoints works just fine, but ClearAllPoints doesn't clear them, it seems |
| 06:20.54 | Kaelten | and there is no way I know of to clear poitns with out that |
| 06:21.54 | Maldivia | SetOwner |
| 06:22.42 | Kaelten | but setowner doesn't provide the particular anchor combo I'm looking for and doing a hack job results in a very poor looking tip if another mod ads alines after the fact |
| 06:22.55 | End | well, that's bad.... |
| 06:23.05 | End | I...kinda...freaked WoW out |
| 06:23.27 | End | the ui elements, players and doodads are flickering rapidly |
| 06:23.37 | End | and...ctrl+alt+del doesn't force WoW to hide |
| 06:23.42 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.51 | End | I can't even do that |
| 06:24.17 | End | no keyboard input seems to reach WoW |
| 06:25.45 | Kaelten | hmm oh well I work on it some more tommorow |
| 06:28.39 | Maldivia | just as I found the solution for him... |
| 06:30.54 | End | well, turns out I had to reboot |
| 06:31.07 | Maldivia | ohh well, if anyone sees Kaelten, mention: tooltip:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_NONE"); tooltip:SetPoint("BOTTOM", frame); |
| 06:31.13 | End | and I could lock the machine, but WoW would still be freaking out in the foreground |
| 06:40.38 | AnduinLothar | Anyone actually know how Defense value is calculated? |
| 06:41.40 | ktron | You draw destiny from the top of your reserve deck, and check whether your ability or armor is greater than or equal to the destiny drawn... oh wait, wrong game |
| 06:42.10 | AnduinLothar | If I have 4k armor would it be better to have +800 more ar or +8 defense? |
| 06:42.32 | AnduinLothar | i assume those are different things of course |
| 06:43.24 | pagefault | i'd go with the armor |
| 06:44.21 | pagefault | you can always get defense enchanted |
| 06:45.08 | AnduinLothar | well these are for tallents |
| 06:45.15 | pagefault | oh |
| 06:45.17 | pagefault | hmm |
| 06:45.28 | pagefault | for pvp I would go defense I guess |
| 06:45.32 | pagefault | if you do a lot of instances then armor |
| 06:46.09 | AnduinLothar | figure in pvp the average attack hurts more? |
| 06:46.16 | pagefault | yeah probably |
| 06:46.26 | AnduinLothar | prolly right |
| 06:46.35 | Shadowd | In PVP you want STA more then +def or +armor though |
| 06:46.46 | ktron | so... what do people generally use to display Buffs, besides default ui and ctmod? |
| 06:46.47 | AnduinLothar | well pallies have no sta tallents |
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| 06:47.01 | AnduinLothar | Archaeologist ktron |
| 06:47.26 | krka | minigroup2 for me |
| 06:47.51 | Shadowd | Well, unless you can get a bunch of +def, armor will probably give you more in PVP |
| 06:48.00 | ktron | heh, I'm not a fan of the unit frames of minigroup |
| 06:49.59 | AnduinLothar | Well I'm lookign to try something new basicly. I've been a ret/holy pally mostly pve for a year... was trying to make a damage pally with slow high damage swings |
| 06:50.25 | AnduinLothar | So I have about 20% crit and an epic 2h |
| 06:50.37 | ktron | let me rephrase, though thank you AnduinLothar... what do people to display their own buffs/debuffs? I'm looking for a replacement for gypsymod's buff mod |
| 06:50.54 | AnduinLothar | i just use default an dmove it with mobileframes |
| 06:51.19 | AnduinLothar | tho BuffOptions in cosmos has snazzy vertical blah if you liek that |
| 06:51.52 | ktron | I like to see number in the stack and name of the buff... kind of vertical, if I'm going to see names |
| 06:52.07 | AnduinLothar | anyway so I'm was trying to construct a pally spec that has both the 2h+damage from ret and the reckonning and kings from prot that will allow me to do the most damage |
| 06:52.52 | ktron | AnduinLothar; BuffOptions looks great |
| 06:53.26 | AnduinLothar | i figure rightous fury wont be too important so i can either put 4 points in Anticipance or in Toughness |
| 06:53.57 | AnduinLothar | and of course Guardian's faver saves your ass in pvp |
| 06:54.07 | Shadowd | Gaurdian's faver? |
| 06:54.14 | AnduinLothar | Favor, ya |
| 06:54.33 | Shadowd | No i mean whats that. Havn't heard of that talent before |
| 06:54.44 | ktron | Anyone notice there's more text in the login system these days? |
| 06:55.05 | AnduinLothar | decreases Blessing of Protection cooldown from 5 to 2min and increases Blessing of Freedom from 10sec to 15sec |
| 06:55.11 | Shadowd | ahh nice |
| 06:55.17 | AnduinLothar | 5 to 3min* |
| 06:55.27 | ktron | like 'Authenicating' and 'Login Successful.' there's more messages in between those two then there used to be |
| 06:55.35 | AnduinLothar | ya saw that today |
| 06:55.51 | Kolth` | Yeah :P |
| 06:56.12 | AnduinLothar | think ill go with anticipation |
| 06:56.20 | Shadowd | Eye for an eyey/ |
| 06:56.21 | ktron | they're a little too fast and I'm a little too tired to tell what they say |
| 06:56.29 | AnduinLothar | eye for an eye owns pvp |
| 06:56.30 | Shadowd | s/y/// |
| 06:56.50 | Shadowd | I should probably escape that |
| 06:57.43 | Kolth` | hahhah |
| 06:57.46 | Kolth` | I found it. |
| 06:57.55 | Kolth` | "Submitting non-personal system specification" |
| 06:58.19 | Shadowd | Didn't it use to be non-personal information? |
| 06:58.33 | AnduinLothar | nah, it's always been system info |
| 06:58.48 | AnduinLothar | same as from the patches |
| 06:59.16 | AnduinLothar | ok. this is what i'm thinking: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladins2/talents.html?00000000000000503201004230500501052510203110 |
| 07:03.19 | ktron | Is there a lua command to 'unbind' or 'unset' all items/spells/skills from all buttons? |
| 07:03.53 | kremonte_ | hmm alright |
| 07:03.56 | kremonte_ | how does this look; |
| 07:03.57 | kremonte_ | http://dan-rouse.com/new/ |
| 07:04.41 | Shadowd | Wouldn't 3/3 HOJ be better then improved conc? |
| 07:05.59 | AnduinLothar | imp conc is gody pvp |
| 07:06.45 | AnduinLothar | 3/3 HOJ would mean 45sec cooldown |
| 07:06.51 | AnduinLothar | ona 6s stun |
| 07:07.01 | AnduinLothar | which is definitely nice |
| 07:07.10 | ktron | AnduinLothar; 1.11 is the newest version of Sea, right? |
| 07:07.14 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 07:07.44 | Shadowd | If you plan on doing damage wont Benediction benifit you mean considering that some shamans/priests are demagic happy ruining the improved blessing of might bonus? |
| 07:07.48 | AnduinLothar | but 3/3 imp conc is 15% fear resist for the whole party and %50 chance to not delay casting |
| 07:09.00 | AnduinLothar | if they're purging me they have to go through the 5 buffs i usually have on |
| 07:09.29 | AnduinLothar | plus i run AQ_BuffBot so the second it goes down it recasts |
| 07:09.53 | Shadowd | Wouldn't that be a good way to run your mana dry though? |
| 07:10.44 | AnduinLothar | well atm i'm a heal bot with more mana than most druids so i got int gear if i need it |
| 07:11.08 | AnduinLothar | i'm gonna be gimp for a while till i get a 3rd full set for damage |
| 07:16.45 | AnduinLothar | guess the real deciding factor on that 1 point is whether I want to resist silence and fear or stun more often.. |
| 07:21.12 | Shadowd | You plan on pugging it I assume? |
| 07:22.29 | ktron | *stuff |
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| 07:30.14 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 07:30.35 | AnduinLothar | in pvp on my server it's pretty much all pvp. everyone has epics and it's not very team oriented |
| 07:32.19 | Shadowd | I asked mostly because in a pug HOJ will probably benifit you more since people have issues stopping flag carriers sometimes, but if you're in an organised group then it wont matter as much |
| 07:32.45 | AnduinLothar | ah ya plus i dont play that bg that much |
| 07:32.52 | AnduinLothar | prefer av and ab |
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| 07:33.38 | Shadowd | yeah, conc then |
| 07:41.05 | Shadowd | Any idea what message Not enough players. The game will end in 5 Mins is under? Doesn't seem to be CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM. |
| 07:41.25 | Shadowd | Rarely get into those kind of games though, so hard to find out |
| 07:48.22 | ktron | I'm not thinking right anymore... |
| 07:49.10 | ktron | GetName... |
| 07:49.22 | ktron | bleh |
| 07:49.23 | ktron | nvm |
| 07:51.02 | ktron | wait |
| 07:51.05 | ktron | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.14 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.47 | ktron | probably |
| 07:53.09 | End | just my guess without testing |
| 07:53.30 | ktron | no, it didn't work... ah well... thanks anyway End |
| 07:54.27 | End | are you sure coolDownButton1 exists? |
| 07:55.01 | ktron | yeah, I am |
| 07:55.09 | End | oh well, I dunno then |
| 07:55.11 | ktron | moveanything and Visor both can find it |
| 07:55.20 | End | I just tested it with a frame I know exists |
| 07:55.31 | End | and it works, but coolDownButton1 doesn't seem to exist for me |
| 07:55.41 | ktron | yeah, I does work, doesn't it... coolDownButton1 is from an addon |
| 07:55.53 | ktron | I should jsut look in the addon and find out if it has a parent |
| 07:55.59 | End | hehe |
| 08:08.38 | Tem|Study | How many 3 digit numbers can be formed from the digits 0,1,2,3,4,5,6 if each digit can only be used once that is greater than 330? |
| 08:09.03 | Tem|Study | s/is/are/ |
| 08:09.32 | id` | what an anoying question |
| 08:10.08 | Tem|Study | oh wait it gets better |
| 08:10.29 | Tem|Study | What is the probability that a number chosen at random is greater then 330 |
| 08:10.42 | id` | a number between? |
| 08:10.44 | id` | ;) |
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| 08:10.50 | id` | lo clad |
| 08:11.06 | Tem|Study | it's actually 58.33% I think |
| 08:11.19 | Tem|Study | I'm not entirely sure since my book sucks and doesn't have the solutions |
| 08:11.26 | id` | lol |
| 08:11.54 | Tem|Study | anyway my logic is sound |
| 08:11.58 | Tem|Study | (I hope) |
| 08:13.22 | Tem|Study | hey cladhaire |
| 08:13.26 | Tem|Study | want a mind bender? |
| 08:14.42 | ktron | AnduinLothar; BuffOptions should show time, right? |
| 08:14.42 | id` | Tem|Study: 236 |
| 08:14.49 | id` | on the numbers |
| 08:14.51 | Tem|Study | 105 |
| 08:14.54 | id` | uh |
| 08:15.07 | id` | oh do'h |
| 08:15.09 | Tem|Study | ok you have 2 posibilities |
| 08:15.12 | ktron | AnduinLothar; nevermind, didn't realize I had to enable it in Blizzards ui too, but I got it now:) |
| 08:15.17 | id` | ya i was wrong |
| 08:15.18 | Tem|Study | 1: 3 is the hundreds digit |
| 08:15.18 | id` | :p |
| 08:15.25 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 08:15.29 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 08:15.30 | Tem|Study | which gives you a possible 15 numbers greater than 330 |
| 08:15.43 | Tem|Study | 2: 4,5 or 6 is the hundreds digit |
| 08:15.57 | Tem|Study | which gives you a possible 90 numbers greater than 330 |
| 08:16.13 | Tem|Study | add em up, and 105 is your total |
| 08:16.30 | id` | as i said, anoying |
| 08:16.31 | id` | : |
| 08:16.32 | id` | :p |
| 08:16.35 | Tem|Study | very |
| 08:16.44 | Tem|Study | strangely enough, I don't hate it that much |
| 08:17.00 | id` | 8 hours a day |
| 08:17.02 | id` | 7 days a week |
| 08:17.17 | id` | 10 months |
| 08:17.22 | id` | T_T |
| 08:17.46 | id` | I'm supposed to learn things here, but all i've learnt was Jscript specific things |
| 08:17.54 | Tem|Study | heh |
| 08:19.59 | id` | Like yesterday |
| 08:20.03 | Tain | Ok, using crazy and or expression checks is addicting. |
| 08:20.07 | AnduinLothar | holy crap.... that was the fastest AB ever |
| 08:20.09 | AnduinLothar | 9min |
| 08:20.18 | ktron | heh |
| 08:20.22 | ktron | I've never gotten into AB ever |
| 08:20.23 | AnduinLothar | all 5 bases owned |
| 08:20.28 | ktron | what server/level are you? |
| 08:20.50 | Shadowd | Better to never get into AB then always AV! |
| 08:21.20 | AnduinLothar | 60 Kil'Jaeden... we always lose bg's on alliance... its a fluke |
| 08:21.25 | AnduinLothar | they musta been fishing |
| 08:21.35 | Shadowd | Alliance usually lose :p |
| 08:21.35 | id` | well alliance sucks |
| 08:21.37 | id` | :P |
| 08:21.54 | Tem|Study | heh |
| 08:21.57 | Tem|Study | we always win in AV |
| 08:22.01 | id` | mok' rah! |
| 08:22.08 | Tem|Study | a win is pretty rare in WSG though |
| 08:22.20 | Tem|Study | AB is a toss up |
| 08:22.41 | id` | I've had lots of cases where we brutally slaughtered allicance in 10-19 wsg |
| 08:22.44 | id` | ke ke |
| 08:22.57 | Shadowd | *we always win in AV because all the horde AFK out after 3 hours |
| 08:23.09 | id` | They need to make a stip on that |
| 08:23.39 | id` | picturing the alliance in wsg bonking eahcothers heads screaming INV INV WHERE I GO |
| 08:23.46 | id` | and some nasty horde about to smash em |
| 08:23.47 | id` | ke ke |
| 08:23.53 | Shadowd | 5 VS 6 WSG, brb |
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| 08:33.18 | pagefault | weird |
| 08:33.20 | pagefault | not that I am complaining |
| 08:33.24 | pagefault | but every other hit of mine is a critical hit |
| 08:33.27 | pagefault | it's odd |
| 08:36.20 | Tem|Study | In a poker hand consisting of 5 cards, what is the chance of being delt 2 aces and 3 jacks? |
| 08:38.06 | AnduinLothar | the horde is sleeping tonight |
| 08:38.07 | AnduinLothar | the horde is sleeping tonight. we just won AB 2000 to zero in 5 min |
| 08:40.36 | pagefault | haha |
| 08:40.39 | pagefault | thats cool |
| 08:40.43 | krka|work | (4/52)*(3/51)*(4/50)*(3/49)*(2/48) |
| 08:40.45 | krka|work | or something |
| 08:41.10 | [MoonWolf] | ?? |
| 08:42.11 | Tain | The odds of it happening are inversely related to the amount of money in the pot. |
| 08:42.44 | [MoonWolf] | 9.234463015975621017517700227971106166636e-07 |
| 08:42.54 | [MoonWolf] | according to my calculator anyway |
| 08:43.26 | pagefault | I forgot all that |
| 08:43.29 | pagefault | we learned it in like grade 9 |
| 08:45.49 | Tem|Study | [MoonWolf]: that's actually right |
| 08:45.55 | Tem|Study | wait |
| 08:46.07 | Tem|Study | well no |
| 08:46.08 | Tem|Study | not quite |
| 08:46.11 | Tem|Study | damn close though |
| 08:46.14 | [MoonWolf] | I might have made a mistake enetring stuff |
| 08:46.37 | Tem|Study | it's 24/2598960 |
| 08:46.43 | [MoonWolf] | s/enetring/entering/ |
| 08:47.06 | Tem|Study | so you're one factor of 10 off |
| 08:47.39 | [MoonWolf] | Thats not bad. |
| 08:47.56 | Tem|Study | not bad at all |
| 08:48.56 | [MoonWolf] | Still its random chance so it could happen 500 times in a row or never. |
| 08:49.20 | Tem|Study | hehe |
| 08:50.07 | Tem|Study | hmm, that's the same answer krka|work got |
| 08:50.24 | Tem|Study | I wonder why both of you got the same wrong answer |
| 08:50.57 | Tem|Study | unless you just typed in what krka|work got? |
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| 08:51.06 | [MoonWolf] | Because we used the same logic ? |
| 08:54.30 | [MoonWolf] | To be completely honest, if was writing it down, then looked at the chat saw that krka had the same as me and copy pasted that in my calculator (yay for copy paste support) |
| 08:54.43 | Tem|Study | :) |
| 08:55.04 | Tem|Study | the way I did it was first to find out how many possible hands exist |
| 08:55.35 | Tem|Study | 52!/(5!47!) |
| 08:55.40 | [MoonWolf] | if = i |
| 08:55.45 | Tem|Study | which is like 2 million something |
| 08:55.55 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 08:56.10 | Tem|Study | then the number of ways to be dealt 2 aces: 6 |
| 08:56.23 | Tem|Study | and the number of ways to be dealt 3 jacks: 4 |
| 08:56.40 | Tem|Study | so there are 24 possible hands with 2 aces and 3 jacks |
| 08:56.50 | Tem|Study | 23 of a possible 2 million something |
| 08:56.57 | Tem|Study | s/23/24/ |
| 08:57.14 | [MoonWolf] | *nods* |
| 08:57.40 | Tem|Study | each hand is equally likely, so 24/2xxxxxx |
| 08:58.03 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 08:58.25 | Tem|Study | I just hope we get past this part of the class soon... |
| 08:58.36 | Tem|Study | I want to get to the part that will actually be useful to me |
| 08:58.45 | [MoonWolf] | chance is fun though. |
| 08:58.55 | Tem|Study | chance can get confusing |
| 08:58.57 | Tem|Study | real fast |
| 08:59.27 | [MoonWolf] | Especially when people don't understand it and think calculating chance is the same as predicting it. |
| 08:59.47 | [MoonWolf] | But i assume you class passed that stage. |
| 09:00.01 | Tem|Study | we may have |
| 09:00.08 | [MoonWolf] | may ? |
| 09:00.09 | Tem|Study | but I've slept in a few days... |
| 09:00.28 | Tem|Study | and the days that I do go, I don't get much from it because I can't understand the prof |
| 09:00.34 | Tem|Study | he's from bangladesh |
| 09:01.07 | Tem|Study | tomorrow's the exam |
| 09:01.09 | Tem|Study | so I'm reading the book |
| 09:01.11 | sarf|sleep | Oooh |
| 09:01.12 | [MoonWolf] | oops |
| 09:01.19 | sarf|stuff | Good luck on that :P |
| 09:01.20 | Tem|Study | and posting the interesting things I come across here... |
| 09:01.34 | Tem|Study | heh |
| 09:01.46 | Tem|Study | the book is doing an exceptional job of explaning things so far |
| 09:01.55 | [MoonWolf] | *phew* |
| 09:02.09 | Tem|Study | indeed |
| 09:02.11 | Tem|Study | I was worried |
| 09:08.34 | AnduinLothar | stats? |
| 09:09.23 | Tem|Study | aye |
| 09:09.45 | Tem|Study | but the test is on the first few probability chapters |
| 09:09.56 | Tem|Study | and includes very little statistics at all |
| 09:10.16 | krka|work | prob = easy, stat = hard :( |
| 09:10.40 | Tem|Study | stat just seems like number crunching to me |
| 09:11.50 | AnduinLothar | i have a stats/prop class this qtr... sucks |
| 09:12.17 | Tem|Study | ew you guys are on quaters? |
| 09:14.34 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 09:14.42 | AnduinLothar | mid term last week |
| 09:14.49 | Tem|Study | how does that even work? |
| 09:15.10 | AnduinLothar | they cram as many as possibl ein |
| 09:15.24 | Tem|Study | less classes per quarter with more hours in class per week? |
| 09:15.55 | AnduinLothar | not even sure.. |
| 09:15.57 | Tem|Study | like a 3 hour class would meet for 6 hours a week instead of just 3 |
| 09:16.13 | AnduinLothar | mmm, usually 3hrs a week |
| 09:16.20 | Tem|Study | then wtf |
| 09:16.30 | AnduinLothar | just shorter classes |
| 09:16.40 | Tem|Study | whatever, I don't have time to understand your university |
| 09:16.44 | AnduinLothar | so things take 3 classes isntead of 2 |
| 09:16.46 | Tem|Study | must study so I can sleep |
| 09:17.23 | AnduinLothar | 12 units is minimum full time, botu 4 units per class |
| 09:17.46 | AnduinLothar | i usually do 18-20 but had to scal eback this qtr |
| 09:17.50 | Tem|Study | attempting to transfer from that place must be pretty impossible |
| 09:18.01 | AnduinLothar | nah, lots of places are qtr |
| 09:19.49 | AnduinLothar | anyway.. sleep |
| 09:20.31 | zespri|log | this is realli bizzare Tooltip:SetAction() for some reason changes the value of 'this' |
| 09:20.44 | zespri|log | I can come up with no reason why would it do this |
| 09:21.15 | zespri|log | of course I found this the hard way when something didn't work |
| 09:21.16 | Tem|Study | I find that hard to believe |
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| 09:22.25 | zespri|log | well I have DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(this:GetName()) before and after SetAction line |
| 09:22.37 | zespri|log | and it outputs different frame names |
| 09:22.44 | Tem|Study | wow |
| 09:22.47 | Tem|Study | odd |
| 09:23.13 | Tem|Study | disable everything |
| 09:23.16 | Tem|Study | and try again |
| 09:23.24 | zespri|log | really odd |
| 09:23.54 | zespri|log | yeah, I think I'll try this. if I come up with mimal example then it may be the time to post on the UI forum |
| 09:24.39 | Tem|Study | definately |
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| 10:25.44 | sarf|stuff | zespri|log> by using : you automatically sets this to whatever is before : |
| 10:25.57 | sarf|stuff | It is, essentially, how objects work. |
| 10:26.03 | sarf|stuff | (in Lua) |
| 10:26.39 | Tem|Study | no |
| 10:26.42 | Tem|Study | not at all |
| 10:27.54 | Tem|Study | 'this' is a global variable with a reference to the frame object that is currently handling an event of some type |
| 10:28.06 | Tem|Study | be that OnLoad, OnSizeChanged, OnEvent or whatever |
| 10:28.41 | Tem|Study | when you call a method on an object via the colon notation, you pass that object as the first parameter |
| 10:28.44 | Tem|Study | that is it |
| 10:28.50 | Tem|Study | there is nothing magical about that |
| 10:29.41 | Tem|Study | calling a function like frame:SetWidth(x) will cause that frame to get a OnSizeChanged event |
| 10:29.57 | Tem|Study | but not until AFTER the event dispatcher is done with the current event |
| 10:30.09 | Tem|Study | so that will NOT change the value of 'this' |
| 10:31.10 | sarf|stuff | Huh? |
| 10:31.19 | sarf|stuff | AFAIK, this is the current object |
| 10:31.26 | Tem|Study | you are wrong |
| 10:31.29 | sarf|stuff | current object changes when you do a : clall |
| 10:31.31 | sarf|stuff | *call |
| 10:31.35 | Tem|Study | no it doesn't |
| 10:31.55 | sarf|stuff | Hmm |
| 10:31.58 | sarf|stuff | Perhaps that's self |
| 10:31.59 | Tem|Study | as I previously stated, 'this' is the object that is currently receiving an event |
| 10:32.05 | sarf|stuff | OK |
| 10:32.10 | sarf|stuff | Then why does this change? |
| 10:32.15 | Tem|Study | either a bug |
| 10:32.21 | Tem|Study | or zespri|log is crazy |
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| 10:32.37 | Tem|Study | I'm leaning toward the latter until I see it for myself |
| 10:32.57 | Tem|Study | oh wait, I forgot one final posibility |
| 10:33.13 | Tem|Study | 3, someone changed it |
| 10:33.28 | Tem|Study | by hooking the SetAction method |
| 10:33.36 | Tem|Study | during their hook they change this |
| 10:33.41 | Tem|Study | I really doubt that |
| 10:33.50 | Tem|Study | so I'm still leaning towards the crazy theory |
| 10:34.07 | sarf|stuff | What about UFOs? |
| 10:34.14 | Tem|Study | also, a possibility |
| 10:34.21 | Tem|Study | Aliens are just around to fuck with us |
| 10:34.25 | Tem|Study | I'm sure of that much |
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| 11:23.34 | zespri|log | I'm not crazy, and it's most likly an addon bug. I think that SetAction causes an event that get processed by some addon handler and this handler messes with this |
| 11:23.45 | zespri|log | with 'this' |
| 11:26.05 | Tem|Study | the even dispatcher won't dispatch a new even until the current event is done |
| 11:26.08 | Tem|Study | s/even/event/ |
| 11:26.21 | Tem|Study | grr |
| 11:26.30 | zespri|log | If you want some more details what's happening is: I hook to discord action bars functions UpdateCount, that update count in the bottom left corner of an action button. When this function is invoked this equals DAB_ActionButton_1. I want to read the button tooltip so I do SetAction. Right before Action 'this' is still DAB_ActionButton_1, but right after it's DiscordLib_MainFrame |
| 11:26.43 | zespri|log | So I blame DAB. |
| 11:26.51 | Tem|Study | heh |
| 11:27.10 | Tem|Study | I dunno |
| 11:27.14 | Tem|Study | it's almost 6 am |
| 11:27.22 | zespri|log | Tem, this is not true. Wow can dispatch another event when you are inside one |
| 11:27.23 | Tem|Study | I have an exam at 1:30 |
| 11:27.30 | Tem|Study | no |
| 11:27.32 | Tem|Study | it won't |
| 11:28.08 | Tem|Study | the event system is sequential |
| 11:28.22 | Tem|Study | if you cause an event during an event it goes into the queue for pending events |
| 11:28.36 | Tem|Study | but mostly you don't cause the event until later |
| 11:28.56 | Tem|Study | like in my previous example frame:SetWidth will eventually cause an OnSizeChanged event |
| 11:29.16 | Tem|Study | but not until it draws it (next frame) |
| 11:29.25 | zespri|log | it's kind-of single-threaded - true - but when you are in an event you can call some wow function which in call will generate another event when this another even finished executions return to where it was right after the wow function you called |
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| 11:30.12 | zespri|log | I mean I can't come up with a good ecample right now, but I've seen this many times |
| 11:30.18 | Tem|Study | which won't happen until you return control from your event handler back to the dispatcher which will either inform the next handler about the current event or move on in the event queue or return control to the game engine which will render the next frame |
| 11:30.28 | Tem|Study | and cause your OnSizeChanged event |
| 11:30.29 | zespri|log | It's not something I hear, it's something I've seen personally |
| 11:30.41 | Tem|Study | go for it |
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| 11:33.04 | zespri|log | as far as I understand there is only one OnUpdate per frame, but there can be many events including reentrant ones. If you are based on something being redrawn, then what you are saying is true, but if it is something unrelated to what you see on the screen than it may not be the case |
| 11:33.32 | Tem|Study | make a concrete example |
| 11:34.39 | zespri|log | Tem, I will if you really want, it's not that difficult. I'll try to do it in next few days, and now I'm going to bed. |
| 11:35.03 | Tem|Study | I'm 99% sure it's impossible |
| 11:35.41 | zespri|log | Well, I admit that I could be wrong. But I'm pretty sure that I'm right. Give me some time and we'll see. |
| 11:35.52 | Tem|Study | to push all the event info onto the stack in order to dispatch a new event during an event would be huge |
| 11:36.19 | Tem|Study | slouken was complaining about setting a few extra variables ONCE per event |
| 11:36.38 | Tem|Study | you think they would design a system that needs to set and reset those variables multiple times during the same event? |
| 11:37.02 | Tem|Study | it doesn't make performance sense, and it would be a serious pain to implement |
| 11:37.59 | Tem|Study | either way, this wouldn't be the cause of your problem |
| 11:38.41 | Tem|Study | because at the end of any "inner" events, 'this' and any args would be popped from the stack returning them to their previous values |
| 11:38.57 | Tem|Study | so when control got back to your code they should be the same |
| 12:05.23 | zespri|log | in theory. do you have a guess why I'm observing what I'm observing? |
| 12:08.09 | zespri|log | Tem, I just want confirm that we are talking about the same thing. I'm arguing that the code can re-enter OnEvent handler. Is this what you think is impossible? |
| 12:08.41 | zespri|log | I just wrote a small test addon and I can confirm that this re-entrance is possible |
| 12:09.55 | Tem|Study | I think that the event dispatcher will wait until an event is done to dispatch another |
| 12:10.18 | Tem|Study | can I see it? |
| 12:11.24 | zespri|log | Sure. Here is the screen shot with output http://www.brutsoft.com/test.jpg, and here is the addon http://www.brutsoft.com/test.zip |
| 12:12.40 | zespri|log | to make the test I switched off all the addons but this one |
| 12:13.28 | Tem|Study | huh |
| 12:13.44 | Tem|Study | I appologize then |
| 12:13.49 | Tem|Study | I was wrong |
| 12:14.20 | Tem|Study | seems like a crazy thing to do (from a dispatcher persoective) but wow... they did it |
| 12:14.50 | Tem|Study | hmm. I wonder if it's possible to create a different event |
| 12:15.07 | zespri|log | actually on my opinion there is more work associated with queueing then with just fireing an event when they need it. |
| 12:15.08 | Tem|Study | (something not handled by OnEvent) |
| 12:15.37 | Tem|Study | well, you run the risk of going pretty deep in the stack |
| 12:16.09 | zespri|log | and this does happen quite often with certain type of addons |
| 12:16.14 | Tem|Study | especially if you somehow create a loop of events that trigger themselves |
| 12:16.37 | zespri|log | I've run into such situations couple of times |
| 12:16.47 | Tem|Study | I'll have to do some testing on this later |
| 12:16.51 | Tem|Study | after I've slept |
| 12:16.54 | Tem|Study | and taken my exam |
| 12:17.20 | zespri|log | good idea. it's time for me to sleep too, but you tricked me into maling this example today =) |
| 12:17.33 | Tem|Study | :) |
| 12:17.33 | zespri|log | good night all |
| 12:17.56 | zespri|log | and good luck with the exam, Tem |
| 12:18.31 | Tem|Study | thanks |
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| 14:10.42 | zeeg | ANyone around? |
| 14:10.52 | id` | shh shh all hide |
| 14:11.19 | zeeg | http://www.bahamut.com/wow/wowmap.html |
| 14:17.12 | id` | it acts funky |
| 14:17.17 | id` | displacing the map when i move it |
| 14:17.19 | id` | but |
| 14:17.19 | id` | nice |
| 14:17.36 | zeeg | firefox? |
| 14:19.19 | id` | yes |
| 14:24.32 | Beladona | doesn't even work in my firefox |
| 14:24.49 | Beladona | oh ok now it does |
| 14:25.22 | Beladona | it hops around a lot while moving |
| 14:25.28 | zeeg | google maps is more smooth than ours, but ours has more detail than mapwow, ill see if I cant get the coder to fix the few issues |
| 14:26.47 | Beladona | I would think it easier to use clickable regions |
| 14:27.10 | zeeg | what do you mean exactly? |
| 14:27.19 | zeeg | the minimap is designed so you can click to recenter, but its not functioning properly in FF for some reason now |
| 14:27.30 | Beladona | it recenters for me |
| 14:27.38 | zeeg | hrm |
| 14:27.39 | Beladona | its just not fluid |
| 14:27.39 | zeeg | but I do plan to have a list on the right w/ clickable areas |
| 14:30.23 | Beladona | someone go here and tell me if they see any improvements needed for patch notes? http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=notes&id=1935059 |
| 14:31.20 | zeeg | looiks good, but doesnt wow.com archive them? |
| 15:02.44 | Beladona | sorry was afk. Yeah they do, I was just making it easier to get them in one spot. I guess I could link to it on wow.com |
| 15:03.06 | zeeg | ah |
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| 15:06.07 | ckknight | why does WoWI say "You are not authorized to view this file..." after I upload a new version? |
| 15:06.18 | Wobin_ | Has it been approved? |
| 15:06.29 | Wobin_ | Actually I dunno if updates need to be |
| 15:06.40 | ckknight | the last one took like 2 hours |
| 15:06.45 | ckknight | at least |
| 15:06.47 | ckknight | I lost track |
| 15:09.05 | zeeg | Maldivia? |
| 15:10.28 | Beladona | what addon were you updating? |
| 15:10.47 | Beladona | and yes updates need to be approved |
| 15:11.28 | ckknight | BossPanel |
| 15:11.34 | Wobin_ | Hrm, wouldn't it be better for the file page to show the previous version until the approval is done? |
| 15:11.39 | Wobin_ | Rather than cut off the whole page? |
| 15:11.40 | Beladona | approved |
| 15:11.56 | ckknight | I'm gonna continue to update it |
| 15:12.01 | ckknight | like, pretty often |
| 15:12.05 | Beladona | yeah it would, you just need to post a bug report |
| 15:12.10 | Beladona | I believe it was mentioned before too |
| 15:12.13 | Wobin_ | (Or maybe a "This file is pending approval" message instead) |
| 15:12.27 | zeeg | Anyone have a schema for the Talent.dbc? |
| 15:12.29 | zeeg | I'm assuming it's row_id, skill_line_id, row#, col#, spell1, spell2, spell3, spell4, spell5 |
| 15:12.33 | Beladona | we are usually pretty quick on approving things. |
| 15:12.37 | ckknight | You should have "A new version is pending approval", then show the old one |
| 15:12.39 | Wobin_ | I'll drop it into the suggestions, if you don't want to, ckknight |
| 15:12.47 | ckknight | please, Wobin_ |
| 15:17.30 | Beladona | it would be just as easy to show the page, as is, with the download button disabled and if you click on it, show a "a new file is pending approval". With a link to the previous page. Then they can choose to download one of the archived files |
| 15:17.54 | Beladona | or wait for the new one |
| 15:18.27 | Beladona | Dolby was super busy with that portal system for a while, so he might have more time now to fix stuff like that |
| 15:18.53 | ckknight | good idea, Beladona |
| 15:22.49 | ckknight | couldn't you theoretically have like an Auto-approval deal if you scour the zip for exes and such? |
| 15:23.15 | Beladona | there aare other things we look for |
| 15:23.20 | Beladona | besides exe |
| 15:23.32 | id` | harrassive content? |
| 15:23.37 | id` | dont tihnk youll find that much |
| 15:23.48 | Beladona | there are some addons that blizzard doesn't approve of |
| 15:23.52 | Beladona | so we don't host them |
| 15:23.54 | id` | if it ever comes up it will get reported IMMEDIATELY and the user gets banned |
| 15:23.55 | ckknight | oh, alright |
| 15:23.58 | id` | ah ok |
| 15:23.59 | ckknight | what's an example, Beladona? |
| 15:24.07 | id` | automation |
| 15:24.11 | ckknight | oh |
| 15:24.11 | ckknight | yea |
| 15:24.23 | Beladona | well, it has since been disabled, but a while back there was the auto-travel |
| 15:24.29 | ckknight | but that's hard because you can't really do movement stuff, etc. without hardware events |
| 15:24.31 | id` | the all-in-one buttons are fine but the autowalk isnt ;) |
| 15:24.47 | ckknight | well, you gotta push a button |
| 15:24.54 | id` | not in the past |
| 15:25.05 | Beladona | that was because blizzard changed it |
| 15:25.14 | ckknight | yea, hardware events only now |
| 15:25.14 | Beladona | due to the fact people were using that addon |
| 15:25.49 | Beladona | we are a blizzard approved site, and part of the blizzard site program |
| 15:25.58 | Beladona | so we have to go by what they approve |
| 15:26.12 | Beladona | or dis-approve of |
| 15:27.54 | ckknight | and once again I upload a new version of BossPanel |
| 15:28.03 | krka | i made blizzard change their api, i rock! |
| 15:28.08 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:28.09 | ckknight | how so |
| 15:28.14 | ckknight | ? |
| 15:28.24 | krka | <Beladona> that was because blizzard changed it |
| 15:28.25 | krka | <Beladona> due to the fact people were using that addon |
| 15:28.32 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:28.41 | ckknight | didn't know you wrote it |
| 15:28.47 | Beladona | ;D |
| 15:29.04 | Beladona | it was an innocent addon at inception |
| 15:29.09 | krka | it still is! |
| 15:29.23 | Beladona | its not the addon specifically they were worried about |
| 15:29.28 | krka | i think decursive and flexbar and OHW and all that are much worse :(/ |
| 15:29.33 | Beladona | its the fact that you COULD move unassisted |
| 15:29.45 | ckknight | OHW? |
| 15:29.53 | krka | onehitwonder |
| 15:29.58 | ckknight | okay |
| 15:30.09 | krka | more of a concept nowadays than an actual addon |
| 15:30.12 | Beladona | I don't see a problem with those, except for decursive |
| 15:30.47 | ckknight | never seen decursive |
| 15:30.53 | krka | well, they can almost completely automate battles |
| 15:31.08 | Wobin_ | Just how automated was decursive? |
| 15:31.11 | zeeg | Anyone here have latest DBCs for FR, ZH, KO, or TW? |
| 15:31.34 | Beladona | hit a button, and it would automatically scan and cast on the nearest ailment |
| 15:31.50 | Wobin_ | It still involved a certain level of buttonmashing, though? |
| 15:31.59 | Beladona | a little |
| 15:32.06 | Wobin_ | What's the difference between that and NeedyList? |
| 15:32.14 | ckknight | I figure what you could do is rig up a system where your mouse constantly sends scroll outs |
| 15:32.17 | Beladona | the point was, it took the difficulty away from that part of the job |
| 15:32.18 | ckknight | then use that as a hardware event |
| 15:32.21 | Wobin_ | (mouseclicking I guess?) |
| 15:32.27 | Beladona | made it unassisted |
| 15:32.31 | Beladona | or pretty close |
| 15:33.01 | Beladona | think about it this way |
| 15:33.10 | Beladona | a second computer with a heal/cleanse bot |
| 15:33.17 | Beladona | just mash a single button |
| 15:33.21 | Beladona | repeatedly |
| 15:33.25 | Beladona | ..... |
| 15:33.39 | ckknight | hehe |
| 15:33.39 | ckknight | neat |
| 15:34.05 | Beladona | unfortuantely decursive is a harder one to kill |
| 15:34.31 | Beladona | they have to do it subtly, or just lock out that part of the api entirely, which would kill a lot of addons that are NOT bad |
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| 15:48.21 | zeeg | GAH |
| 15:48.25 | zeeg | has anyone here disected the talent tree |
| 15:48.27 | id` | or just use a macro program that can generate hardware events, look for pixels on the screen and look for colors in certain ranges |
| 15:48.37 | id` | i tried |
| 15:48.39 | id` | made a fishing bot |
| 15:48.41 | id` | it was lame |
| 15:48.43 | id` | deleted it |
| 15:48.44 | ckknight | lame? |
| 15:48.48 | id` | yes |
| 15:48.55 | id` | 100 fishing when i watched tv and ate chips |
| 15:48.59 | ckknight | hrm |
| 15:49.06 | ckknight | yea, cheating makes the game not worth it |
| 15:49.10 | id` | indeed |
| 15:49.20 | id` | so i prefer sticking to making things that make the game better |
| 15:49.25 | Corrodias | world of warcraft is, like, 100% grind |
| 15:49.31 | ckknight | I hate grinding |
| 15:49.34 | id` | i deny grinding |
| 15:49.35 | ckknight | and I hate drop quests |
| 15:49.42 | ckknight | make em have a better drop rate |
| 15:50.16 | id` | im goin home |
| 15:50.20 | id` | finally |
| 15:51.22 | id` | http://pastebin.com/548380 |
| 15:51.35 | id` | how fun.. not.. |
| 15:52.38 | [MoonWolf] | mine starts next week |
| 15:59.48 | zeeg | hrm |
| 16:00.00 | zeeg | i wonder if I could convince slouken to make the quest id available |
| 16:02.44 | Wobin_ | All quests can be categorised in the "(X) me a pint" method |
| 16:02.54 | zeeg | ? |
| 16:02.58 | Wobin_ | Where X is Fetch, Kill, etc |
| 16:03.12 | zeeg | i need the id for various purposes though :) |
| 16:03.31 | Beladona | RF Online is supposed to get released on Feb 21? |
| 16:03.39 | Wobin_ | Well, that was more in response to previous comments =) |
| 16:03.51 | Beladona | short beta period, I just got into phase 2, and they have one more phase |
| 16:06.16 | Wobin_ | RF? |
| 16:06.48 | zeeg | does mirc have a decbin equiv |
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| 16:11.11 | zeeg | grr |
| 16:11.18 | zeeg | ill be forever grateful if someone can help me figure this out |
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| 16:16.16 | Kalroth | hi friends! |
| 16:16.29 | zeeg | Kalroth |
| 16:16.35 | zeeg | did I ever tell you you're my favorite IRCer? |
| 16:16.48 | Beladona | http://www.fileplanet.com/promotions/rfonline/ |
| 16:16.55 | Beladona | that is rf online |
| 16:16.57 | Beladona | I kinda like it |
| 16:17.06 | Beladona | its a mix of normal fantasy and high tech |
| 16:17.07 | Kalroth | zeeg: who's the IRCer you hate the most then?! |
| 16:17.14 | Kalroth | I need to compare myself, you know |
| 16:17.19 | zeeg | Tain of course, but that's neither here or there ;) |
| 16:18.06 | Cairenn | hi, that shit doesn't belong in this channel, how many times do I have to tell you people that |
| 16:18.13 | Kalroth | :( |
| 16:18.26 | Cairenn | NO PERSONAL ATTACKS |
| 16:18.40 | ckknight | Cairenn, I'm offended by the caps |
| 16:18.45 | ckknight | offended personally |
| 16:18.49 | Cairenn | ckknight: I really don't care |
| 16:18.55 | ckknight | just playing with you |
| 16:18.58 | zeeg | no one was attacking anyone |
| 16:20.41 | Kalroth | I assume zeeg and Tain are buds :) |
| 16:20.48 | zeeg | I hate Tain with a passion, but anyways :) |
| 16:20.52 | Cairenn | ... |
| 16:20.57 | zeeg | know anything about DBCs Kalroth? |
| 16:21.02 | Kalroth | Alright, I'll keep my mouth shut :p |
| 16:21.15 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 16:21.19 | Kalroth | zeeg: dead brain cells? |
| 16:21.22 | Ratbert_CP | s/clutchinh/clutching/ |
| 16:21.42 | zeeg | nvm :P |
| 16:21.43 | zeeg | Maldivia! |
| 16:21.49 | zeeg | worked w/ the Talent DBCs? |
| 16:22.01 | Maldivia | Looked at it shortly, that's about it |
| 16:22.06 | zeeg | damn |
| 16:22.17 | zeeg | i cant find anything that says "this skill line goes with this class, this talent tree goes with this class" |
| 16:22.32 | Wobin_ | =\ |
| 16:22.32 | zeeg | same for racial abils, i would think those would be somewhere too |
| 16:22.54 | Kalroth | D'oh |
| 16:22.56 | Kalroth | "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!" |
| 16:23.02 | Kalroth | I can't spam people :( |
| 16:23.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.22 | Wobin_ | Sure you can, just register =) |
| 16:28.21 | futrtrubl | you know being 26 isn't that different from being 25, was hoping for something more momentous ;'] |
| 16:28.22 | Maldivia | zeeg: you can always just look at the spell, to see which class the talent is for... |
| 16:28.22 | Wobin_ | Happy Birthday Futty |
| 16:28.23 | zeeg | Maldivia, thats too sql heavy tho |
| 16:28.23 | zeeg | i was hoping for a relation dbc |
| 16:28.23 | zeeg | but i cant find one |
| 16:28.23 | Cairenn | happy birthday futrtrubl |
| 16:28.24 | zeeg | ill just manually input tab id's |
| 16:28.24 | futrtrubl | thanks Wobin |
| 16:28.25 | futrtrubl | thanks Cairenn ;'] |
| 16:28.27 | Wobin_ | Welcome into your second quarter century =) |
| 16:28.34 | Kalroth | futrtrubl: it's not until you reach 30+ you see the difference. I swear you grow a belly the day you hit 30! |
| 16:29.01 | futrtrubl | ok, now that you've put it that way Wobin_.... I want to be 25 again ;'] |
| 16:29.18 | Maldivia | zeeg: or do a string lookup in TalentTab.dbc |
| 16:29.19 | futrtrubl | Kalroth too late, already done that |
| 16:29.23 | ckknight | I won't grow a belly, pretty much ever |
| 16:29.37 | Kalroth | futrtrubl: Alright, then you wont notice a difference :) |
| 16:29.43 | zeeg | oh |
| 16:29.45 | zeeg | fromt he textures |
| 16:29.56 | zeeg | ah at least it has those, so i dont have to scramble around the db for the classes |
| 16:30.00 | zeeg | but ill still manually input them |
| 16:30.29 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 16:30.51 | Cairenn|afk | (I'll try to not be such a cranky bitch when I get back :p ) |
| 16:31.23 | ckknight | we'll see |
| 16:32.09 | Maldivia | zeeg: you say looking up the spells is too sql heavy - wont you have to do that anyway ? |
| 16:32.52 | zeeg | no i mean, looking it up for extra reasons |
| 16:32.53 | zeeg | basically |
| 16:32.56 | zeeg | its setup soooo |
| 16:33.15 | zeeg | char -> talent list for char -> talent db (joined w/ talent tabs) -> spell db |
| 16:33.20 | Maldivia | zeeg: also, TalentTab field 13 -> bit mask for class |
| 16:33.30 | zeeg | oh really |
| 16:33.33 | zeeg | i wasnt sure about that |
| 16:33.38 | zeeg | >< |
| 16:33.44 | zeeg | 13 is.. k ya? |
| 16:33.51 | zeeg | nope |
| 16:33.51 | zeeg | thats m |
| 16:33.59 | zeeg | any idea what k is |
| 16:34.11 | zeeg | i thought field 14 was the tab #, but mage has two 0's |
| 16:35.56 | Maldivia | hmm, yeah, the field is probably not used, and it's a bug it's 0 instead of 1 |
| 16:37.01 | zeeg | i wonder how they get the order then |
| 16:37.08 | zeeg | im hoping its asc by the ID |
| 16:37.19 | zeeg | err i bet its by position |
| 16:37.19 | zeeg | i can do that to i spose |
| 16:38.03 | zeeg | do you know anything about stats Maldivia, such as the gain per level and whatnot |
| 16:38.12 | zeeg | i know there's a formula, as Ive seen it used, but I have no idea what it is |
| 16:38.38 | Maldivia | hmm, checked http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas_and_Game_Mechanics ? |
| 16:39.01 | zeeg | o neat |
| 16:39.55 | zeeg | if this site wont license their profile builder to us im gonna have to work on mine |
| 16:40.05 | id` | javascript is cool |
| 16:40.06 | id` | :p |
| 16:40.21 | zeeg | cool and a pain in the ass :P |
| 16:40.25 | id` | ;) |
| 16:41.05 | ckknight | AJAX is fun ;-) |
| 16:41.23 | id` | ruby on rails is fun |
| 16:41.47 | id` | but meh, i cant do that because ill mix and mash up too many languages |
| 16:42.16 | ckknight | I know 20 |
| 16:42.18 | ckknight | I function fine |
| 16:42.25 | ckknight | RoR is fun, I must admit |
| 16:45.20 | zeeg | hrm |
| 16:45.53 | zeeg | hah, this should work great Maldivial |
| 16:46.07 | zeeg | SELECT * FROM `db_classes` a LEFT JOIN `db_talents` b ON a.`talent_tab_{$tabNum}` = b.`tab_id` WHERE b.`lang` = 'en' ORDER BY b.`row_num`, b.`col_num` LIMIT ".($talSlot-1).", 1" - hopefully the limit idea gets the right ones :P |
| 16:49.09 | zeeg | oops forgot to class selection |
| 16:50.09 | ckknight | MySQL is evil, you do know that? |
| 16:50.21 | ckknight | PostgreSQL can kick MySql's ass |
| 16:50.51 | zeeg | for some things |
| 16:51.14 | ckknight | it follows the SQL standard the closest of all available SQL variants |
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| 16:51.34 | zeeg | im talking performance |
| 16:51.39 | ckknight | and it has actual typecasting |
| 16:51.43 | ckknight | I'm talking safety |
| 16:51.47 | ckknight | that's what I want in a database |
| 16:51.48 | zeeg | mysql has typecasting |
| 16:51.50 | zeeg | and its safe |
| 16:52.00 | ckknight | I mean type safety |
| 16:52.19 | ckknight | in MySQL, you can plug an int into a string with no hassles or errors |
| 16:52.23 | ckknight | you can't in PostgreSQL |
| 16:52.59 | zeeg | but an int can be a string |
| 16:53.12 | ckknight | no it can't |
| 16:53.18 | zeeg | It can though :) |
| 16:53.22 | ckknight | if you cast it, it can |
| 16:53.23 | futrtrubl | about http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas_and_Game_Mechanics.. do you know how long I've been getting data to calculate xp from mobs of lower level than the char? I both hate and love you Maldivia |
| 16:53.25 | ckknight | but not implicitly |
| 16:53.27 | zeeg | I can declare an int as a string in pretty much every language |
| 16:53.32 | zeeg | I'm not casting it as an int, im casting it as a string |
| 16:53.52 | ckknight | you can cast it to a string, but you can't implicitly treat it like a string |
| 16:53.56 | ckknight | that's what I'm saying |
| 16:54.03 | zeeg | If an int is cast as a string, its treated as a string |
| 16:54.23 | ckknight | exactly |
| 16:54.28 | zeeg | thats how it is in mysql |
| 16:54.31 | ckknight | but in MySQL, you don't need a cast |
| 16:54.40 | zeeg | you *do* cast |
| 16:54.56 | zeeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.56 | zeeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.56 | zeeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.58 | zeeg | right there |
| 16:57.17 | ckknight | I'm not talking searching and sorting, I mean, you can do stuff like "update people set updated = '2006-02-10T00:00:00''" In such a cast as that, the string is implicitly converted to a datetime or a timestamp |
| 16:57.25 | ckknight | if it can't convert properly, it sets it to NULL |
| 16:57.31 | ckknight | without any error sent off |
| 16:58.40 | zeeg | wouldn't know.. I don't do things like that |
| 16:58.50 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 16:58.51 | ckknight | I do |
| 16:59.00 | ckknight | MySQL irks me, is all |
| 16:59.02 | ckknight | back to coding |
| 17:09.18 | Beladona | works well enough, those concerns are semantic at best |
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| 17:11.20 | ckknight | no they aren't, Beladona |
| 17:11.30 | Beladona | in my opnion, yes they are |
| 17:13.27 | Beladona | anyway, lunch time |
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| 17:18.15 | Astryl | Kwak! |
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| 17:19.07 | Astryl | Anyone alive? |
| 17:20.33 | Kalroth | No comment! |
| 17:21.07 | Astryl | Kalroth! |
| 17:21.38 | Kalroth | No! Not going to happen! |
| 17:21.57 | Astryl | What classes do you play? |
| 17:22.16 | Kalroth | Warrior, Rogue, Hunter and Mage |
| 17:22.23 | Kalroth | I think .. mmm, got a low level priest too |
| 17:25.53 | zeeg | anyone know of any MNG > GIF converters |
| 17:25.56 | zeeg | or even .mov |
| 17:36.58 | zeeg | damnit, this program only converts it to a set og GIFs |
| 17:37.06 | Astryl | :P |
| 17:42.36 | krka | go from that to a animated gif then |
| 17:42.49 | Astryl | krka! What classes do you play? |
| 17:44.03 | zeeg | thats a lot of work krka |
| 17:44.09 | zeeg | i need to be able to do this in batch |
| 17:44.15 | krka | mage |
| 17:44.29 | krka | why do you ask? |
| 17:44.37 | Astryl | Looking for any druids. |
| 17:44.44 | krka | my brother has a lvl60 druid |
| 17:44.51 | Astryl | Spec? |
| 17:44.59 | krka | hm... he used to be feral |
| 17:45.07 | krka | i think balance now |
| 17:45.26 | krka | why do you ask? |
| 17:45.30 | Astryl | My FeralSkills addon is now in beta, fully functional, but my testers are really slow at testing... |
| 17:45.42 | krka | does he need to be speced feral for it to work? |
| 17:45.45 | Astryl | Sent it out to like 2 dozen people yesterday, still no responses. :( |
| 17:45.48 | Astryl | Nope. |
| 17:46.35 | Maldivia | I doubt my level 2 druid can test much, hehe :) |
| 17:46.42 | Astryl | Prolly not. :) |
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| 17:47.25 | Astryl | Moonie! You play a druid, right? |
| 17:50.49 | sharkhat | moonie what server u on? |
| 17:51.41 | Maldivia | Cide - someone is about to steal your idea :) |
| 17:52.08 | Cide | what idea? |
| 17:52.27 | Maldivia | whiteboard |
| 17:52.32 | Cide | where at? |
| 17:52.46 | Maldivia | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=317817&p=1&tmp=1#post317817 |
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| 17:56.08 | zeeg | oh score |
| 17:56.14 | zeeg | anyone got a server w/ image magick installed |
| 17:56.28 | zeeg | i may be able to simply upload a bunch of mngs and make a mass conversion script |
| 17:56.46 | Cide | hehe, they are free to code their own mod :) |
| 17:57.00 | Kalroth | But you got plenty of time, Cide! :P |
| 17:58.51 | Cide | hehe, true |
| 18:01.44 | Corrodias | mmagjickxs |
| 18:02.06 | Astryl | Corro! |
| 18:02.13 | Astryl | You play a druid, right? |
| 18:02.29 | Corrodias | when i play wow, yes |
| 18:02.49 | Astryl | Care to test an addon? |
| 18:03.20 | Beladona | that scratchpad idea is nice, but it could be VERY memory intensive |
| 18:03.22 | Corrodias | afraid i can't right now. i must pack and disconnect my drive and such, to go home when my ride arrives. then at home i don't have a computer that can run wow |
| 18:03.44 | Astryl | FeralSkills, my '4 buttons to automate 47' addon |
| 18:03.53 | Astryl | Actually, I wonder how many there actually are... |
| 18:04.55 | Corrodias | feral abilities? |
| 18:05.15 | Astryl | Aye |
| 18:05.49 | Corrodias | we-ell... |
| 18:06.06 | Corrodias | i'm not sure, but i don't see how it can be more than 30 |
| 18:06.14 | Corrodias | *much more |
| 18:06.18 | Kalroth | I bet there's really only 4 and you're trying to trick us, Astryl! |
| 18:06.29 | Astryl | I'm exagerating, trying to count how many it really automates now... |
| 18:06.47 | Astryl | 22. |
| 18:07.20 | Corrodias | i don't know how many people like doing the "keyboard dance", but i'm one of them :) i love setting up my hotkeys and then tapping them in just the right order |
| 18:07.53 | Astryl | Right, I did like that for a long time... |
| 18:08.24 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Sounds rather like being a paladin or warlock .... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 3, 3, 3, 3 |
| 18:09.02 | Astryl | But after the 7000th time hitting the same order of buttons, (Or really, one of a few orders, depending on the situation), I decided to auto mate it. |
| 18:09.30 | Astryl | Ah, wait, 24. |
| 18:09.35 | Kirkburn|Cursed | Is it a kind of drag and drop abilities addon? |
| 18:09.40 | Astryl | Nope. |
| 18:09.57 | Astryl | It's not an 'do these things in this order' thing... |
| 18:10.13 | Kirkburn|Cursed | What is it then? |
| 18:10.25 | Astryl | It's a...'do as many of these things as possible, chosing which one based on the situation as you configure it' |
| 18:10.40 | zeeg | http://entropymine.com/jason/mngctrl/ |
| 18:10.41 | zeeg | wewt |
| 18:10.49 | zeeg | I'll force firefox people to make a plugin |
| 18:10.50 | zeeg | err |
| 18:10.52 | zeeg | an installer |
| 18:10.52 | zeeg | or w/e |
| 18:10.56 | Corrodias | instead of hitting 1, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3... you can just hit 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 |
| 18:11.30 | Astryl | There's a dozen or so checkboxes/dropdowns/etc of config settings for each of the 4 combobuttons |
| 18:11.35 | Kirkburn|Proccd | That sounds like fun!!111 |
| 18:11.56 | Astryl | Corr, yeah, which doesn't seem like a big deal, except when you want to bind all your attacks to buttons on your mouse. |
| 18:12.20 | Kirkburn|Proccd | btw, have you heard about the fact that Halo 2 will need Vista? |
| 18:12.26 | Kalroth | Aye :) |
| 18:12.37 | Astryl | I don't use a mouse, I use a graphics tablet, but fundamentally it's the same thing. My left hand on the keyboard is pretty much only used for movement anymore. |
| 18:13.19 | Astryl | I cast almost everything with mouse buttons. |
| 18:13.41 | Astryl | Heals and buffs are all single clicks including targeting, thanks to BeneCast... |
| 18:14.00 | Astryl | Attacks and shifting are all a few mouse buttons. |
| 18:14.14 | Astryl | Shifting is a mouse button plus a modifier key... |
| 18:14.31 | Corrodias | fascinating |
| 18:14.57 | Astryl | Which modifier key I hold (shift=bear, none=cat, ctrl=travel/aqua, alt=mount) decides which shift to do. |
| 18:15.07 | Astryl | (And will switch to caster as an intermediate if necessary) |
| 18:15.26 | Astryl | And it'll cast any spell I set in the configs while mounting, ie Nature's Grasp. |
| 18:15.42 | Astryl | (You can cast a spell and mount at the same time, so I try to always take advantage of that) |
| 18:15.59 | Astryl | Oh, that's the other advantage of FeralSkills... it'll do multiple things at once, as much as possible. |
| 18:16.48 | Astryl | Maul + Growl + Faeire Fire + Auto-Attack in one press... |
| 18:17.02 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/mng-animations.php |
| 18:17.05 | Astryl | Or Tiger's Fury + Ravage... |
| 18:17.05 | Corrodias | (but maul already activates auto-attack...) |
| 18:17.18 | Astryl | Not if you don't have enough rage for it, Corr |
| 18:18.17 | Astryl | zeeg, MNG is an animated png, right? |
| 18:19.05 | zeeg | i think so |
| 18:19.16 | zeeg | they're pretty small, it seems to work good |
| 18:19.21 | zeeg | i just need to get an installer for the plugin for people |
| 18:19.27 | zeeg | its not officially adopted yet really |
| 18:20.27 | Corrodias | an installer? |
| 18:20.57 | Astryl | A centaur! :) |
| 18:20.58 | zeeg | ya |
| 18:21.03 | zeeg | so they dont have to worry about unzipping |
| 18:21.11 | zeeg | just run the .exe, click next over and over |
| 18:21.11 | zeeg | :P |
| 18:22.30 | Corrodias | people disgust me. |
| 18:22.45 | Kirkburn|Proccd | aww |
| 18:22.57 | Kirkburn|Proccd | er, why? |
| 18:23.57 | Corrodias | well, i admit it can be hard to get into the "addons/mods/etc" thing for any game, when you're not familiar with it |
| 18:24.14 | zeeg | this is a browser plugin |
| 18:24.41 | Corrodias | frankly i feel pretty lost when looking at freelancer |
| 18:25.33 | Astryl | Freelancer? The game? |
| 18:25.55 | Corrodias | yeah. there's a big community with public servers and a bunch of mods, nobody seems to use the version 1.1 patch... |
| 18:26.29 | Corrodias | but the only way to figure it out is to putter around the web sites gradually picking up clues as to what's going on |
| 18:26.37 | Astryl | Freelancer is an awesome game... Totally supported by addons though, as the original game fell way short of what it could have. |
| 18:26.47 | Astryl | lancersreactor.com |
| 18:27.00 | Corrodias | i still have almost no idea what mods i should, or for that matter -can-, apply together |
| 18:27.21 | Astryl | Aye... Part of the reason I gave up on it. |
| 18:27.40 | Corrodias | that web site is where i downloaded the mods i do have... |
| 18:28.05 | Corrodias | it seems the "FL Rebalance" mod is very cool, and there's the "massive" mod to add a ton of ships, but i don't know if they work together |
| 18:28.32 | Corrodias | and another mod to add realistic lighting and "other stuff" but the other stuff is kind of vague and again i don't know about its compatibility with the other mods |
| 18:28.47 | Astryl | Yah... |
| 18:31.49 | Corrodias | well, once i get around to playing it, i'll just have to try them together and see what works |
| 18:31.55 | Corrodias | now i'll go home. bye |
| 18:31.58 | Astryl | Later. |
| 18:35.23 | Tain | Is anyone in a DKP type guild where you are forced to bid on something if veryone else in your class already has it? |
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| 18:51.26 | Shadowd | Tain: Only guild I knew of that did it was a pretty crappy guild :p |
| 18:51.35 | Shadowd | /late |
| 18:54.50 | zeeg | yay |
| 18:54.50 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/mobs/anubisath-guardian-id15355/ |
| 18:57.30 | Codayus | Tain: I know they exists. |
| 18:57.35 | Codayus | exist, even |
| 18:58.53 | Shadowd | Usually everytime I see it in use it's because they basically want to force all new members to get the old gear ( even if they don't need it ), and make it so the veterans always get new stuff sooner. |
| 18:59.47 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Hey I just noticed you mentioned freelancer ... I used to love that game. Not sure where it went though :( |
| 19:01.44 | Astryl | Can anyone suggest a fast tga->gif/jpg converter? |
| 19:01.49 | Astryl | Ah, nm. |
| 19:12.58 | Astryl | wowguru, ui.wow.net, curse, wowi, and... what's the last one? |
| 19:13.16 | zeeg | theres another? |
| 19:13.25 | Astryl | Maybe not, I just thought there was 5. |
| 19:13.41 | Astryl | zeeg, order those 4 sites in order of your favorite. |
| 19:13.55 | zeeg | hah |
| 19:14.00 | zeeg | wowguru, wowi, curse, worldofwar |
| 19:14.10 | Astryl | Excellent. |
| 19:14.15 | Astryl | Now pick a number between 1 and 10 |
| 19:14.26 | Beladona | what is wrong with using flash instead of mng? |
| 19:14.35 | Beladona | just wondering |
| 19:14.38 | zeeg | 11 |
| 19:14.52 | Astryl | 11... OK... |
| 19:14.53 | zeeg | 1) If I can't find an MNG -> GIF converter, I doubt I can find MNG -> flash |
| 19:15.14 | zeeg | ok thats my only answer |
| 19:15.15 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:15.21 | Beladona | someone has these images somewhere in mng format? |
| 19:15.31 | Tain | Don't say flash, I'm trying to pretend my browser doesn't crash on linux showing any Flash since firefox 1.5 |
| 19:15.41 | zeeg | Beladona, i do |
| 19:15.43 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:15.50 | Astryl | That means I'll post them in order of... wowi, curse, guru, ui.wow |
| 19:15.51 | Beladona | Tain, its a known issue with the linux firefox flash plugin |
| 19:16.01 | Beladona | there is a fix somewhere, I will find it for you later |
| 19:16.15 | zeeg | Astryl, howd you come out w/ that? |
| 19:16.30 | Beladona | zeeg: that would imply you made these in mng format, which means you could have just as easily made them in another format? |
| 19:16.46 | Tain | I haven't been able to find it. Well, I found a lot of suggestions to fixes which all involved removing other plugins that were conflicting. Didn't have them. |
| 19:16.57 | zeeg | Beladona, the app only exports them in MNG currently |
| 19:17.07 | Beladona | what app? |
| 19:17.38 | zeeg | our app |
| 19:17.51 | Beladona | WGP? |
| 19:18.08 | zeeg | WGTK, wowguru toolkit |
| 19:18.41 | Shadowd | Heres one that does it, to bad it's not free though |
| 19:19.08 | zeeg | Shadowd, i found some, but none of them workd right, or they didnt do animations |
| 19:19.14 | kremonte_ | 'lo all |
| 19:19.15 | Beladona | sorry for asking. I am jsut one of those that believes in standards compliance in my web designs. MNG could be nice, but flash is already pretty standard |
| 19:19.26 | zeeg | flash isnt standard for this IMO |
| 19:19.27 | zeeg | maybe GIF |
| 19:19.31 | kremonte | flash is not standard, it sux0-rzzrlrz |
| 19:19.33 | zeeg | but MNG is going to be a new standard |
| 19:19.43 | kremonte | flash requies a plugin in browsers ;p |
| 19:19.45 | Beladona | I mean standard as in widely used |
| 19:19.49 | Shadowd | Does IE have any plans on adding MNG support? |
| 19:19.53 | kremonte | well then, "lol" is a standard |
| 19:19.55 | Beladona | nope |
| 19:19.56 | kremonte | :]\ |
| 19:20.24 | zeeg | Shadowd, there's an IE plugin too |
| 19:20.30 | zeeg | i just didnt read the instructions on it |
| 19:20.31 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:20.34 | Shadowd | It's not standard though |
| 19:20.34 | kremonte | it doesn't even render png8's correctly |
| 19:20.42 | kremonte | s/it/IE |
| 19:21.22 | Shadowd | So unless you plan on hacking into every Windows computer that uses IE and install the plugin :p |
| 19:21.33 | Astryl | zeeg, I came up with that order based on your order and proximity of your chosen number to my chosen number. |
| 19:22.48 | zeeg | ooo cupid |
| 19:22.54 | kremonte | speaking of the internets, how does this look? http://dan-rouse.com/new |
| 19:24.19 | zeeg | interesting, look at this |
| 19:24.27 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/mng-animations.php |
| 19:24.28 | zeeg | lol |
| 19:24.28 | id` | dont use tables :< |
| 19:24.33 | zeeg | Eye of Kathune |
| 19:24.37 | kremonte | o noes tables r so evil |
| 19:24.46 | id` | indeed |
| 19:24.49 | kremonte | id`: it works, well, it's cross browser compatible |
| 19:25.09 | kremonte | i don't need any absolute positioning, overlaying texts or mozilla-only effects |
| 19:25.25 | zeeg | ya but tables are bad now |
| 19:25.37 | zeeg | its 2006 |
| 19:25.38 | zeeg | web standards!~ |
| 19:25.40 | kremonte | o ya |
| 19:25.45 | kremonte | wait one sec |
| 19:25.55 | kremonte | lemme plug in my ipod and my 3gb ram/5GHz computer |
| 19:26.01 | Astryl | Cairennnnn! |
| 19:26.02 | kremonte | okay bam, i'm running slackware 0.1 |
| 19:26.15 | zeeg | ok? |
| 19:26.29 | kremonte | well i mean, there seems to be a need to overcomplicate things :] |
| 19:26.48 | zeeg | no |
| 19:26.52 | zeeg | tables are big |
| 19:26.54 | zeeg | css isnt |
| 19:26.58 | kremonte | ha ha ha? |
| 19:27.10 | kremonte | i'd need to make 20 more styles with position: relative on every single one of them |
| 19:27.24 | kremonte | o damn, 4 bytes to use <td> ;______; |
| 19:27.43 | zeeg | uh ok? |
| 19:27.48 | zeeg | i dont use positions on hardly anything |
| 19:28.01 | kremonte | tell me, why should i use div over table for this |
| 19:28.38 | id` | < kremonte> okay bam, i'm running slackware 0.1 |
| 19:28.42 | id` | o_O |
| 19:29.03 | kremonte | id`: i was being sarcastic upon the div comment |
| 19:29.12 | zeeg | i didnt even look at the design |
| 19:29.22 | kremonte | newb |
| 19:29.23 | zeeg | and i didnt say anything about divs |
| 19:29.26 | zeeg | divs are containers, is it a container? |
| 19:29.44 | kremonte | tables are containers :] |
| 19:29.53 | kremonte | just look at the bloody site then |
| 19:29.57 | id` | kremonte: for tabular data |
| 19:30.05 | kremonte | ... |
| 19:30.09 | kremonte | i just wanted some comments on the design |
| 19:30.24 | kremonte | do you go and read the entire source code on every site you look at? -_- |
| 19:30.29 | kremonte | http://www.dan-rouse.com/new/ |
| 19:30.38 | id` | kremonte: i do if someone tells me to look at it |
| 19:30.41 | id` | :) |
| 19:30.41 | zeeg | i dont like the nav links |
| 19:30.44 | kremonte | .... |
| 19:30.47 | zeeg | or the :: |
| 19:30.59 | kremonte | zeeg: so you dislike colons? |
| 19:31.02 | zeeg | the white bg kind of contrasts |
| 19:31.11 | zeeg | i dislike them when they're used as dividers/bullets :P |
| 19:31.12 | kremonte | it's not meant to be a dark site |
| 19:31.19 | kremonte | gah fine |
| 19:31.21 | zeeg | well lime green looks funny |
| 19:31.21 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:31.24 | kremonte | i was too lazy to open charmap |
| 19:31.29 | kremonte | green/blue/white |
| 19:31.33 | zeeg | also |
| 19:31.33 | id` | id say put the bg to blue |
| 19:31.34 | id` | :> |
| 19:31.38 | kremonte | imho |
| 19:31.43 | zeeg | the border effect is kind of lost when you have the left/right bars seperated |
| 19:31.45 | kremonte | dark bg's make the site seem "smaller" |
| 19:31.51 | id` | they do, yep |
| 19:31.54 | zeeg | dark bgs = attract anti socialists |
| 19:32.02 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/mobs/obsidian-destroyer-id15338/ |
| 19:32.03 | kremonte | isn't that..er... |
| 19:32.07 | kremonte | counter productive for a blog? |
| 19:32.08 | zeeg | geeks, nerd,s etc. |
| 19:32.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RedcXe (i=L@cpe-72-225-166-6.si.res.rr.com) |
| 19:32.31 | kremonte | what? i'm a geek |
| 19:32.33 | kremonte | and i'm plenty social |
| 19:32.37 | kremonte | hey alex |
| 19:32.38 | zeeg | no |
| 19:32.42 | zeeg | im saying thats the kind of users you'll get |
| 19:32.47 | zeeg | on a dark based site |
| 19:32.48 | zeeg | idk its just how it is |
| 19:32.50 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:32.51 | kremonte | yeah |
| 19:32.53 | kremonte | that's why |
| 19:32.58 | kremonte | i like light colors, but i love navy blue |
| 19:33.02 | zeeg | same |
| 19:33.19 | kremonte | green too though, and they go together imo =P |
| 19:33.47 | zeeg | whats the tank boss from aq gates called again |
| 19:34.45 | zeeg | or the wasp boss |
| 19:35.10 | kremonte | zeeg: made the :'s into ·'s =P |
| 19:35.22 | zeeg | O.o |
| 19:35.23 | zeeg | k |
| 19:35.39 | kremonte | yeah, i agree on that |
| 19:35.49 | kremonte | :: as dividers is kind of... dA cliché |
| 19:37.51 | kremonte | hmm zeeg, you said you didn't like the nav links? |
| 19:39.45 | zeeg | ya they look boring |
| 19:40.35 | kremonte | what do i need for em? ;p |
| 19:40.49 | Astryl | OKie, submitted to wowi... |
| 19:41.36 | zeeg | idk |
| 19:41.37 | zeeg | CSS :P |
| 19:41.49 | kremonte | i haven't done link CSS yet, but er |
| 19:42.00 | kremonte | what can i do with them o_O |
| 19:42.05 | kremonte | OMG ONMOUSEOVER BORDER 133333337 |
| 19:42.18 | zeeg | background hover stuff |
| 19:42.19 | zeeg | works great |
| 19:42.21 | zeeg | and looks prof |
| 19:42.32 | kremonte | "personal site & blog" |
| 19:42.37 | kremonte | nicht professional =P |
| 19:42.40 | kremonte | shrug |
| 19:42.44 | Kirkburn|Proccd | it totally fails in IE7 |
| 19:42.46 | kremonte | i'm bad at taking constructive criticism |
| 19:42.54 | Beladona | actually div would be VERY efficient for what you have kremonte |
| 19:43.03 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Actually, no it's works now :) |
| 19:43.10 | kremonte | Beladona: divs are a pain in the ass for me =/ |
| 19:43.17 | Beladona | thats fine, use what works |
| 19:43.22 | kremonte | it's mainly that |
| 19:43.28 | kremonte | it makes scrolls where i don't want tthem |
| 19:43.32 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Not sure I like fixed backgrouns |
| 19:43.33 | kremonte | doesn't correctly pad text |
| 19:43.41 | Beladona | it takes a little while to learn how to use div efficiently |
| 19:43.55 | Beladona | but once you do, it won't have all those issues you speak of |
| 19:44.01 | kremonte | i can make a site with em, but to me it's not worth the frustration |
| 19:44.26 | Beladona | I stil use tables for some things |
| 19:44.56 | Beladona | but more often than not, its a small table in a site made of divs |
| 19:45.09 | Beladona | wdn is like that |
| 19:45.31 | kremonte | but like |
| 19:45.36 | kremonte | what's the perks of using divs for me site |
| 19:45.39 | kremonte | as opposed to tables? |
| 19:45.49 | kremonte | "w00t it renders 0.003 seconds faster!" |
| 19:45.51 | zeeg | kremonte, www.davidcramer.net |
| 19:46.02 | Beladona | it would be wsc valid |
| 19:46.05 | Beladona | w3c rather |
| 19:46.14 | kremonte | Beladona: w3c is all crazy folks |
| 19:46.16 | kremonte | zeeg: ? |
| 19:46.23 | zeeg | thats my blog |
| 19:46.23 | zeeg | it looks pro |
| 19:46.25 | Astryl | Hmmm... |
| 19:46.36 | kremonte | i don't want mine to look like that =P |
| 19:46.40 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:46.45 | Astryl | curse doesn't let you upload your addon until after they authorize it? |
| 19:46.49 | Beladona | its all in your preference. If you don't care, then use whatever you want |
| 19:46.57 | zeeg | Astryl, ya its kinda silly |
| 19:47.00 | Beladona | I use the w3c validators on my sites |
| 19:47.10 | Astryl | Hmm, OK. |
| 19:47.16 | zeeg | im too lazy to use validators anymore |
| 19:47.18 | zeeg | takes too much work |
| 19:47.26 | Beladona | well thats the thing |
| 19:47.27 | zeeg | mine should be valid, at least for the most part |
| 19:47.42 | Beladona | I have gotten good enough with my coding that if I have somethign invalid, it is only like 4 things |
| 19:47.49 | zeeg | mmhmm |
| 19:47.50 | Beladona | and that takes minutes to fix |
| 19:47.58 | kremonte | i haven't made a site in a long time |
| 19:48.08 | zeeg | i dont even bother fixing, it works, the code is clean |
| 19:48.16 | kremonte | yea, that's my point =/ |
| 19:48.23 | kremonte | if i just go easymode with tables, less fixing :D |
| 19:48.35 | zeeg | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdavidcramer.net |
| 19:49.06 | Beladona | and bear in mind |
| 19:49.16 | Beladona | xhtml validation doesn't outtlaw tables |
| 19:49.25 | Beladona | it just puts restrictions on usage |
| 19:49.37 | zeeg | tables shouldnt be used for design, has nothing to do with validation :P |
| 19:49.43 | zeeg | in some cases, they have to be |
| 19:49.47 | Beladona | I agree |
| 19:49.50 | zeeg | but thats only because CSS standards suck yet |
| 19:50.01 | Beladona | I use tables for data layout |
| 19:50.11 | zeeg | well, they dont have to be, but its worthless to use anything else |
| 19:50.38 | kremonte | but why shouldn't it be used for design? |
| 19:50.42 | kremonte | it's not hurting it |
| 19:50.47 | Beladona | it can |
| 19:51.12 | Beladona | tables have a lot of quirks that make it bad for layout, unless you make that layout strict with css |
| 19:51.21 | Beladona | which if you are gonna use css anyway.... |
| 19:51.23 | kremonte | i do know tables have problems |
| 19:51.31 | kremonte | but still, i'm not good with divs |
| 19:51.41 | kremonte | every site i see is just like |
| 19:51.43 | Beladona | I know |
| 19:51.47 | kremonte | YOU CAN MAKE ABSOLUTE POSITIONING YOU CAN MAKE ABSOLUTE POSITIONING YOU CAN MAKE ABSOLUTE POSITIONING YOU CAN MAKE ABSOLUTE POSITIONING |
| 19:51.53 | kremonte | liek w11t! |
| 19:52.03 | zeeg | look at mmofiles |
| 19:52.08 | zeeg | its got the coolest layout *ever* |
| 19:52.08 | Beladona | I see absolute positioning as a minor feature |
| 19:52.09 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:52.33 | kremonte | YOU CAN MAKE ABSOLUTE POSITIONING YOU CAN MAKE ABSOLUTE POSITIONING YOU CAN MAKE ABSOLUTE POSITIONING |
| 19:52.52 | zeeg | mmofiles is clean as hell |
| 19:53.08 | Gryphen | you can have the same layout clean as hell with tables |
| 19:53.19 | zeeg | it would be less clean :P |
| 19:53.23 | Gryphen | no |
| 19:53.29 | zeeg | would too! |
| 19:53.31 | kremonte | not really.. |
| 19:53.34 | zeeg | theres no need for tables on it |
| 19:53.37 | futr | ok yall, heading out for the weekend, see you next week |
| 19:53.40 | Gryphen | more bytes, not less clean |
| 19:53.40 | kremonte | there's no need for div's =P |
| 19:53.47 | Astryl | zeeeeg! |
| 19:53.49 | kremonte | Gryphen: not necessarily |
| 19:53.56 | Beladona | you COULD make that same layout with tables |
| 19:53.57 | Astryl | zeeg! Help! |
| 19:53.58 | kremonte | more bytes on the HTML yes, but not on the CSS |
| 19:54.00 | zeeg | to duplicate myd esign w/ tables, it would take more data |
| 19:54.01 | Beladona | with CSS to back it up |
| 19:54.02 | zeeg | Astryl? |
| 19:54.14 | Astryl | There's a wowguru account named Astryl. |
| 19:54.20 | zeeg | :s |
| 19:54.21 | Beladona | and you can't use css size as an argument kremonte |
| 19:54.23 | zeeg | is it yours? |
| 19:54.25 | Astryl | Is it me? What's the e-mail address on it? |
| 19:54.29 | kremonte | so you can't use html size either =P |
| 19:54.31 | zeeg | sec |
| 19:54.34 | Beladona | yes you can |
| 19:54.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kolth (n=amoeba@c-24-22-17-70.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 19:54.36 | zeeg | css is cached |
| 19:54.43 | Beladona | a) every separate html page is cached separately |
| 19:54.51 | Beladona | b) every page can use the same css |
| 19:54.55 | Beladona | which is cached once |
| 19:55.00 | zeeg | astro_tsd@mac.com |
| 19:55.02 | kremonte | if you looked, my site does use css |
| 19:55.04 | kremonte | and a good deal at that |
| 19:55.05 | Astryl | that's me. |
| 19:55.09 | Astryl | OKie, thanks. |
| 19:55.24 | Tain | Ooh new way to get random people's email address for spam. |
| 19:55.26 | Beladona | the more you can put into css the better imho |
| 19:55.41 | Tain | "Hey zeeg I'm.. uh.. joebob on wowguru! What's my email address?" |
| 19:55.43 | kremonte | but really, tables are not bad |
| 19:55.51 | kremonte | there is no reason to bash them because divs are more suitable |
| 19:55.56 | Gryphen | never win the fight kremonte |
| 19:56.00 | Beladona | not bashing them |
| 19:56.07 | Beladona | like I said, I still sue tables for some things |
| 19:56.09 | kremonte | if someone creates a kickass site in tables, is he a shitty designer? |
| 19:56.21 | Beladona | use* |
| 19:56.22 | zeeg | Tain, dont be dumb |
| 19:56.54 | Beladona | I can do MORE with that same site in div, than in tables |
| 19:57.00 | Beladona | as far as effects go |
| 19:57.06 | zeeg | most designers dont use css properly |
| 19:57.09 | zeeg | thats why people like me get paid $$$ |
| 19:57.10 | kremonte | yeah, but i'm done as far as my effects go |
| 19:57.11 | Beladona | and lets face it, effects draw people to sites |
| 19:57.13 | zeeg | hey |
| 19:57.13 | zeeg | tag on c |
| 19:57.18 | zeeg | c) less html = better se results |
| 19:57.19 | kremonte | this isn't for money :) |
| 19:57.22 | zeeg | more css, less html |
| 19:57.25 | zeeg | tables create more html |
| 19:57.35 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 19:57.40 | kremonte | okay, divs are better than tables |
| 19:57.43 | kremonte | do i suck for using tables? |
| 19:57.46 | Beladona | like I said, use what works |
| 19:57.46 | zeeg | yes |
| 19:57.46 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:57.47 | zeeg | <3 |
| 19:57.50 | Gryphen | no |
| 19:57.52 | kremonte | no reason to bash them =/ |
| 19:57.59 | kremonte | you go to 99% of web design tutorial sites |
| 19:58.01 | kremonte | and they use tables |
| 19:58.09 | kremonte | "HAHA YOU GOT TAUGHT BY SHITTY TEACHERS YOU SUCK NUTS ROFL" |
| 19:58.09 | Tain | Intelligent design from the beginning is better than divs or tables or css or anything else. |
| 19:58.11 | Gryphen | i use tables on my kick ass sites |
| 19:58.12 | Beladona | tables are simple |
| 19:58.17 | Beladona | for beginners |
| 19:58.22 | zeeg | lol blizz has some interesting vday stuff |
| 19:58.24 | Astryl | zeeg, there no way to include images with a mod in wowguru? |
| 19:58.25 | kremonte | my site is complicated ?_? |
| 19:58.28 | Gryphen | yeah im a beginner :rolleyes: |
| 19:58.33 | zeeg | Astryl, after upload there's a lot more you can do |
| 19:58.38 | kremonte | i have a header |
| 19:58.39 | kremonte | some dividers |
| 19:58.42 | kremonte | a nav bar |
| 19:58.43 | kremonte | and text |
| 19:58.47 | Astryl | OK. |
| 19:58.48 | Tain | I'm escared of the tables |
| 19:58.59 | Beladona | I still like div better, but thats just me. |
| 19:59.02 | zeeg | hrm |
| 19:59.03 | Astryl | Well then... accept my submission, please? :) |
| 19:59.04 | kremonte | divs are better |
| 19:59.07 | kremonte | tables don't suck |
| 19:59.10 | kremonte | conclusion? |
| 19:59.14 | zeeg | im assuming the cupid.m2 doesnt work so I cant steal it? |
| 19:59.22 | Gryphen | conclusion they wont bend |
| 19:59.28 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:59.31 | zeeg | k its approved Astryl |
| 19:59.31 | Beladona | I am trying to figure out why this is an argument |
| 19:59.34 | Beladona | we are all agreeing |
| 19:59.41 | zeeg | i agree to disagree |
| 19:59.43 | zeeg | you all are wrong! |
| 19:59.44 | Beladona | we are just explaining it differently |
| 19:59.45 | kremonte | Beladona: discussion |
| 19:59.50 | kremonte | not argument =P |
| 20:00.07 | Beladona | you know what tables are really great for? |
| 20:00.13 | Beladona | impromptu sex |
| 20:00.16 | Beladona | oh |
| 20:00.25 | zeeg | Astryl |
| 20:00.25 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/ui/admin/?mod=48&e=screenshots |
| 20:00.26 | zeeg | for example |
| 20:00.35 | Tain | yeah try doing that on a div. |
| 20:00.35 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:00.42 | zeeg | i still didnt make it so you could delete images |
| 20:00.54 | zeeg | o well |
| 20:00.56 | zeeg | no one needs to delete images |
| 20:01.04 | Astryl | woot, bulk image upload, spiffy |
| 20:01.15 | Tain | Anyway I just make divs inside tables and everyone's happy. |
| 20:01.23 | zeeg | Astryl, ya it was one of my ajax experiments |
| 20:01.45 | Astryl | OK, posted. |
| 20:01.50 | Astryl | http://www.wowguru.com/ui/218/feralskills/ |
| 20:02.05 | zeeg | i wonder how many submissions thott/alla get a day |
| 20:03.00 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:03.01 | zeeg | cupid is a goblin |
| 20:03.16 | Astryl | With wings :") |
| 20:03.40 | kremonte | hey let's argue about something |
| 20:03.45 | kremonte | zeeg, you suck |
| 20:03.47 | kremonte | Beladona, you too |
| 20:03.55 | Gryphen | 69 |
| 20:04.00 | zeeg | oo |
| 20:04.03 | zeeg | this chinese dragon is wicked |
| 20:04.25 | zeeg | it looks like hes humping the air |
| 20:04.42 | zeeg | oo chimera |
| 20:04.49 | kremonte | er, which way does DESC return in mysql? |
| 20:04.56 | kremonte | 1/2/3/4 or 4/3/2/1? |
| 20:05.20 | Gryphen | high low |
| 20:05.32 | zeeg | hrm |
| 20:05.36 | kremonte | fanks |
| 20:06.15 | zeeg | 4 |
| 20:07.18 | zeeg | grr |
| 20:07.19 | zeeg | stupid thing broke |
| 20:07.35 | Beladona | glue it back together |
| 20:08.59 | MentalPower | Cide: Enjoying the lagfest? |
| 20:09.05 | Cide | indeed |
| 20:10.21 | MentalPower | runors in the alliance side say that Ts got a legendary mount for ringing the gong, any truth to this? |
| 20:10.32 | Shadowd | yep! |
| 20:10.38 | MentalPower | s/runors/rumors/ |
| 20:10.45 | Tain | Bang a gong, get it on. |
| 20:10.45 | Cide | yes, it's true |
| 20:11.08 | Shadowd | You get a 100% speed mount you can use outside of AQ, and you get a choice of a special weapon/thing that you can only do up to 10 hours after ringing the gong apparently |
| 20:11.13 | kremonte | :S |
| 20:11.17 | kremonte | ts rang the gong |
| 20:11.18 | kremonte | ? |
| 20:11.30 | kremonte | by the way cide, i hate you for wiping my guild on nef because of /rarly |
| 20:11.39 | Cide | sorry :P |
| 20:11.52 | Shadowd | haha |
| 20:12.02 | Astryl | OK. I'm submitted to all 4 major ui sites. |
| 20:12.09 | Shadowd | You could have at least made no rly work! |
| 20:12.11 | Astryl | That only took like 2 hours. |
| 20:12.23 | sarf|stuff | Grats |
| 20:12.29 | sarf|stuff | Pray that you never update your addon |
| 20:12.34 | Astryl | Heh. |
| 20:12.35 | zeeg | Astryl, http://wow.mmofiles.com/add-file.php |
| 20:12.35 | zeeg | :D |
| 20:12.42 | zeeg | haha |
| 20:12.51 | Astryl | ... |
| 20:12.57 | zeeg | i need to make the section counts |
| 20:12.58 | Shadowd | Updating on 3 sites, and uploading 4 images to each = not fun |
| 20:13.00 | zeeg | you dont need to submit it there :P |
| 20:13.07 | zeeg | Shadowd, only 3 O.o |
| 20:13.10 | Shadowd | And don't forget having to format them differntly because one of them can't accept code! |
| 20:13.13 | Astryl | Ah, k |
| 20:13.19 | Shadowd | I havn't submitted it to WowGuru yet, only CG, WoWi, worldofwar |
| 20:13.22 | zeeg | :( |
| 20:13.27 | zeeg | </3 |
| 20:13.34 | Tain | That's why it's best to just pick one addon site and focus all of your efforts there. |
| 20:13.37 | Tain | If you build it, they will come. |
| 20:13.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-66-123-190-42.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 20:13.47 | kremonte | 'lo iriel |
| 20:13.48 | Astryl | Iriel! |
| 20:13.54 | Iriel | Afternoon |
| 20:13.59 | zeeg | thats the point of mmofiles/mmotheatre. so people can find stuff no matter where you host it :P |
| 20:14.04 | Astryl | http://www.wowguru.com/ui/218/feralskills |
| 20:14.07 | Astryl | It's alllive! |
| 20:14.14 | Shadowd | Usually all the Dev stuff just goes on worldofwar, and the stable stuff onto every site |
| 20:14.33 | Tain | The biggest reason I even say that is just from a support perspective. |
| 20:14.34 | Astryl | Thanks for all your help in getting my first addon working, Iriel. It's public beta now :) |
| 20:14.49 | Tain | It's so much more difficult to provide support for an addon trying to follow multiple forums, like some people do try to do. |
| 20:15.03 | Shadowd | Tain: People only ask for help on worldofwar actually :p |
| 20:15.12 | kremonte | lie :p |
| 20:15.37 | zeeg | hah |
| 20:15.39 | Tain | Well then I'll just speak for the other addons that get multiple requests for help in multiple places. |
| 20:15.57 | Shadowd | Wait, maybe I didn't register on wowguru yet! |
| 20:15.58 | zeeg | wowguru emails you comments, and you can turn em off |
| 20:16.00 | Iriel | I have to admit I only check my curse forums every month or so |
| 20:16.01 | zeeg | so its not too unfriendly |
| 20:16.05 | Astryl | shadowd, in posting my addon to the 4 sites just now, I had to reset my password at 2 of them, and create new accoutns at the other 2. |
| 20:16.12 | Tain | I'm certainly not saying wide xposire is a bad thing. It's just time consuming. |
| 20:16.23 | Tain | s/xposire/exposure/ |
| 20:16.23 | zeeg | new US realms |
| 20:16.42 | Astryl | Shad, I had that problem too |
| 20:16.49 | Shadowd | zeeg do you hate everyone or something :p |
| 20:16.50 | Astryl | Ended up just doing a find for 'reg' |
| 20:16.57 | Astryl | It's some tiny link on the left nav. |
| 20:16.58 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:17.02 | zeeg | www.woguru.com/forums/register.php |
| 20:17.04 | zeeg | hrmm |
| 20:17.08 | zeeg | sec |
| 20:17.12 | zeeg | ill go make a big 200x200px reg button |
| 20:17.52 | Tain | Will it be a mng embedded in a table? |
| 20:17.55 | kremonte | rofl |
| 20:17.57 | Shadowd | haha |
| 20:18.10 | zeeg | with surrounding divs |
| 20:18.14 | kremonte | no tain. anyone that uses tables is a crappy web designer |
| 20:18.19 | kremonte | :D |
| 20:18.47 | Tain | I use tables for everything! Of course that's becasue my computer layout is a long folding table littered with equipment.. |
| 20:19.56 | Shadowd | hmm |
| 20:20.09 | Shadowd | It's probably a bad thing if I just uploaded the zip to data collection without looking |
| 20:20.44 | zeeg | hah this will work |
| 20:20.51 | zeeg | Shadowd, lol it wont hurt |
| 20:20.54 | zeeg | itll just get deleted |
| 20:21.33 | zeeg | www.wowguru.com/ui/submit/ |
| 20:21.46 | kremonte | erm, been awhile |
| 20:21.52 | kremonte | can you do $var .= "append"; ? |
| 20:21.56 | zeeg | ya |
| 20:21.59 | kremonte | kk, thanks |
| 20:22.01 | zeeg | if you're asking about php |
| 20:22.04 | kremonte | ya |
| 20:22.08 | kremonte | forgot to say, hehe |
| 20:22.10 | zeeg | hows that Astryl: http://www.wowguru.com/ |
| 20:22.15 | zeeg | :P |
| 20:22.21 | zeeg | hrmm wait |
| 20:23.28 | Shadowd | there submitted zeeg :p |
| 20:23.47 | zeeg | hah |
| 20:23.51 | zeeg | accepted |
| 20:23.52 | zeeg | there |
| 20:23.54 | zeeg | big ass button |
| 20:23.54 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:24.14 | Shadowd | haha |
| 20:24.36 | zeeg | top left of menu |
| 20:24.45 | Astryl | 'Register' is bold now... |
| 20:24.59 | zeeg | you dont see it? |
| 20:25.01 | Astryl | Do I need to logout to see the image? |
| 20:25.12 | zeeg | above that |
| 20:25.12 | zeeg | no |
| 20:25.19 | Astryl | Oh. |
| 20:25.22 | Astryl | I see. |
| 20:25.24 | Shadowd | It needs to be bigger zeeg |
| 20:25.26 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:25.29 | Astryl | Yeah, bigger. |
| 20:25.34 | Astryl | Try a <blink> tag. |
| 20:25.41 | zeeg | 28.4k members right now |
| 20:25.46 | Shadowd | Maybe a marquee |
| 20:25.47 | zeeg | lets see if it works |
| 20:25.47 | Astryl | Wait, make it a MNG that dances. |
| 20:26.01 | id` | I'm adding abbreviations to my addon (how many times have i told *rolleyes*) and i have a questionabout usability |
| 20:26.15 | id` | i want to keep the functionality of addong more then one abb at a time |
| 20:26.23 | id` | but i need a good format |
| 20:26.26 | id` | '':'' ? |
| 20:26.34 | Astryl | ...what? |
| 20:26.45 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.04 | id` | thats not so pretty, i need a better one |
| 20:27.05 | id` | :p |
| 20:27.06 | Astryl | = |
| 20:27.07 | Astryl | Use = |
| 20:27.16 | Tem | WOOOO |
| 20:27.26 | id` | i need something to encapsulate it because there will be spaces, Astryl |
| 20:27.32 | id` | hmmm |
| 20:28.27 | id` | lol='Laughing out Loud' |
| 20:28.27 | Tem | so the 8+ hours I spent studying last night? |
| 20:28.27 | id` | thats nice |
| 20:28.27 | Tem | total overkill |
| 20:28.27 | id` | Tem: how'd it go? |
| 20:28.27 | Astryl | Oh yeah, 'blah blah'='blah blah blah' |
| 20:28.27 | id` | k Astryl |
| 20:28.27 | Tem | I destroyed it |
| 20:28.27 | id` | \o/ |
| 20:28.27 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.28 | id` | / \ |
| 20:34.28 | zeeg | i never had to study for a test |
| 20:36.47 | sharkhat | haha never been in college i see |
| 20:37.29 | zeeg | going this fall |
| 20:37.31 | zeeg | i probably still wont study |
| 20:40.45 | Tem | good luck with that |
| 20:40.59 | Astryl | I'm gunna go down in rank on tuesday I think. |
| 20:41.07 | Tem | not studying in college is a quick way to fail |
| 20:41.35 | Tain | Not going is quicker. |
| 20:41.41 | zeeg | i honestly could care less about my grades, as long as I pass |
| 20:41.46 | zeeg | if i have problems sure I may change, but until theN :P |
| 20:41.48 | Iriel | You can not go to lectures, and then study, and do very well. |
| 20:41.57 | Iriel | But not usually the other way around, so much. |
| 20:42.27 | Iriel | Ok, so the no-table challenge is: http://wow.pastebin.com/548867 |
| 20:42.38 | Iriel | For anyone who wants to dismiss tables as 'unnecessary' |
| 20:43.00 | kremonte | wait, wah? |
| 20:43.04 | kremonte | i just came back and read that |
| 20:43.10 | zeeg | you cant stretch a page to 100% height |
| 20:43.11 | zeeg | you lose |
| 20:43.22 | kremonte | and thought it funny that you were talking about lua tables being unnecessary |
| 20:43.25 | kremonte | but they i read my name |
| 20:43.28 | kremonte | and now i'm confused :{ |
| 20:43.44 | Iriel | I'm talking about your comment about web designers and tables |
| 20:43.49 | zeeg | ya |
| 20:43.57 | zeeg | i can do that |
| 20:43.58 | kremonte | yeah |
| 20:43.59 | zeeg | its easy |
| 20:43.59 | Iriel | zeeg: That also, but I figured i'd give him an 'easy' one first 8-) |
| 20:44.13 | zeeg | oh him |
| 20:44.14 | kremonte | i'm so bloody confused |
| 20:44.18 | Astryl | Feels like the rain drops on my skin... |
| 20:44.18 | zeeg | i thought this was proving tables were needed or something |
| 20:44.18 | kremonte | i'm not the div whore |
| 20:44.21 | Iriel | Well, either of you. |
| 20:44.23 | Astryl | You reach me somewhere deep within... |
| 20:44.28 | Astryl | You make my body come alive... |
| 20:44.30 | zeeg | im not gonna do it, but thats not saying i cant |
| 20:44.30 | Iriel | Anyone who thinks divs are gods' gift to all |
| 20:44.30 | kremonte | i'm horrible with div's |
| 20:44.52 | kremonte | Iriel: we were talking about, initially |
| 20:44.53 | kremonte | http://www.dan-rouse.com/new/ |
| 20:44.56 | Iriel | They can't do ad-hoc arbitrary alignment |
| 20:45.05 | kremonte | id` made a comment how i used tables and not divs |
| 20:45.47 | Iriel | Ugh, putting the footer BELOW the 100% height table is horrible |
| 20:46.00 | kremonte | huh? |
| 20:46.09 | Astryl | guru-fully posted... curse-waiting for response to suggestion (?)... wowui-waiting for approval... wowi-waiting for approval... |
| 20:46.16 | kremonte | oh |
| 20:46.17 | Iriel | Well, you use up my whole page height with your page, then you tack a footer below it |
| 20:46.20 | kremonte | i tried putting it in the table |
| 20:46.24 | Iriel | so the footer is ALWAYS offscreen and requires a scrollbar |
| 20:46.28 | kremonte | but it was 3am and i needed to add rowspan |
| 20:46.28 | Iriel | Much 8-( |
| 20:46.31 | id` | I'd redo it out of crazyness kremonte (we all know im crazy like that) but im busy submitting my new addon :-) :-) |
| 20:46.39 | kremonte | so i was like |
| 20:46.43 | kremonte | "screw it" and i made it a new one |
| 20:46.44 | Iriel | The static backdrop plays with my mind, also |
| 20:46.54 | kremonte | yeah, that's why it's there >:} |
| 20:46.58 | kremonte | i'll fix the footer though. |
| 20:48.50 | krka | uldaman is friggin cool :) |
| 20:49.52 | kremonte | otay |
| 20:49.54 | kremonte | there we go |
| 20:50.04 | kremonte | margin won't work >< |
| 20:50.58 | Cairenn|afk | mods in the queue at WoWI all approved - sorry for the delay folks, running around like a mad woman today, trying to help get my folks ready for their trip and my daughter ready for the party she is hosting tonight |
| 20:51.58 | Astryl | Thanks Cair! |
| 20:52.01 | Astryl | Joy! |
| 20:52.21 | Astryl | Cair, can I get an author portal? |
| 20:52.25 | Astryl | Or is that only for the big popular modders? |
| 20:52.43 | Elkano | I think it's only a click away in your profile :) |
| 20:52.51 | Iriel | You just have to click to enable it, i think |
| 20:52.53 | Astryl | Hmm... still says I have no files. |
| 20:52.56 | id` | Cairenn|afk: family first. |
| 20:53.45 | Beladona | and I am at work, so I only approve files when I am not busy |
| 20:53.46 | Cairenn|afk | hang on 15 minutes Astryl, it'll be available then - if you *really* need it before then, I'll go in and manually force an update of our cache |
| 20:53.49 | Beladona | =P |
| 20:54.21 | Cairenn|afk | Beladona: that wasn't a shot at you, I'm sorry if it sounded like it was |
| 20:54.27 | kremonte | submitting highly-personal credit card information... |
| 20:54.30 | kremonte | yay wow :D |
| 20:55.14 | Astryl | No rush, Cair |
| 20:55.41 | Astryl | I can wait 15 min :) |
| 20:55.44 | Cairenn|afk | okay |
| 20:55.47 | Cairenn|afk | thanks |
| 20:59.02 | Cairenn|afk | normally our <sic>who has mods in our db?<sic> cache refreshes every 6 hours, but we've adjusted it to be every 15 minutes for a while, until the initial rush of new authors at the site due to the portals is over, and as I said, I can go in and manually force a refresh if there is an extremely urgent need to (mind you, I have a hard time coming up with an "extremely urgent need" for a refresh in less than |
| 20:59.43 | Cairenn|afk | and on that note, all the sites being checked for anything needing my attention ... afk again |
| 20:59.52 | Astryl | lol Cair, relax. |
| 21:00.36 | Cairenn|afk | *why* do people insist on waiting until the last minute, and then get all in a tizzy? |
| 21:01.09 | Iriel | Human nature. |
| 21:01.33 | zeeg | ill come help w/ the party |
| 21:01.37 | zeeg | want me to bring the alcohol |
| 21:01.56 | Cairenn|afk | zeeg: the last thing I want to do is turn you loose with a house full of 18 year olds :p |
| 21:02.09 | zeeg | oh hell yes |
| 21:02.10 | Cairenn|afk | (18 year old females, that is) |
| 21:02.10 | zeeg | where do you live |
| 21:02.16 | zeeg | ill bring friends! |
| 21:02.37 | Maldivia | party... who said party... |
| 21:02.41 | Cairenn|afk | do I look *completely* stupid? |
| 21:02.50 | Cairenn|afk | don't answer that :p |
| 21:02.54 | zeeg | lol |
| 21:03.02 | zeeg | do you live in canadia |
| 21:03.04 | zeeg | :p |
| 21:03.04 | Maldivia | if you don't want an answer, you should ask! |
| 21:03.05 | Shadowd | You could be to trusting |
| 21:03.18 | Maldivia | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 21:03.21 | zeeg | in an igloo even |
| 21:03.27 | Shadowd | Maybe zeegs intentions are perfectly honest! |
| 21:03.36 | Iriel | We're talking about ZEEG here |
| 21:03.39 | zeeg | YES |
| 21:03.45 | zeeg | my intentions are perfectly honest |
| 21:03.49 | zeeg | i want to meet some hot 18 y/os |
| 21:03.54 | zeeg | and go party w/ them |
| 21:04.03 | Iriel | Honest, but not necessarily honorable? 8-) |
| 21:04.08 | zeeg | yes |
| 21:04.10 | zeeg | what Iriel said |
| 21:04.18 | Iriel | Quote from a conference call "These canadians are so damn slow" |
| 21:04.19 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 21:04.30 | Iriel | That was said about 5 seconds ago, I found it amusing |
| 21:04.37 | zeeg | lol |
| 21:04.39 | zeeg | they live in igloos |
| 21:04.40 | zeeg | thats why |
| 21:04.44 | zeeg | its cold in those igloos |
| 21:04.50 | Cairenn|afk | btw ... thanks guys ... the laugh is appreciated |
| 21:04.56 | Iriel | The frozen tundra of canadia |
| 21:05.02 | zeeg | my boss lives in an igloo |
| 21:05.03 | MentalPower | lol |
| 21:05.04 | zeeg | in canadia |
| 21:05.06 | Astryl | Iriel: Respond "Canadians arn't slow, they're just on metric time" |
| 21:05.07 | Iriel | moose, polar bears, penguins |
| 21:05.23 | Cairenn|afk | oh yes, let us not forget our penguins |
| 21:05.23 | Iriel | and caribou, I believe, based on the coinage |
| 21:05.42 | Astryl | (It's amazing how many people I can get to believe that canadians work on metric time...) |
| 21:05.43 | Maldivia | well, am/pm, pounds, inches, feet, miles etc... so confusing... |
| 21:06.02 | Astryl | And it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who chats on here while on conference calls, Iriel :) |
| 21:06.09 | zeeg | you have penguins? |
| 21:06.10 | zeeg | :o |
| 21:06.15 | zeeg | can you sled on them |
| 21:07.03 | Cairenn|afk | please please please tell me you aren't actually *that* ignorant, zeeg :p |
| 21:07.06 | Iriel | The big 'intro' sections while waiting for everyone to show up are terribly boring. |
| 21:07.42 | zeeg | that'd be fun |
| 21:07.52 | zeeg | Cairenn|afk |
| 21:07.52 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/ |
| 21:07.56 | zeeg | think thisll help registration? |
| 21:07.57 | zeeg | ;) |
| 21:08.16 | Iriel | The only REAL unit of metric time is the second. |
| 21:08.24 | Iriel | So technically canadia does use metric time |
| 21:08.39 | id` | true |
| 21:08.41 | Shadowd | You missed the blink tag zeeg |
| 21:09.04 | zeeg | BLINK!? |
| 21:09.05 | Iriel | zeeg: No. I didn't even notice it |
| 21:09.05 | zeeg | oh |
| 21:09.07 | Iriel | It just blends in |
| 21:09.09 | zeeg | i thought you jmeant like |
| 21:09.09 | zeeg | blink 182 |
| 21:09.10 | zeeg | <3 that band |
| 21:09.11 | Maldivia | hmm, I count time in beats.... |
| 21:09.16 | zeeg | Iriel, ill make it pink |
| 21:09.32 | Shadowd | bright yellow would be better |
| 21:09.38 | Iriel | The nav bar looks like total crap in linux mozilla too |
| 21:09.47 | Iriel | the font is too big so it doesn't fit in the dropdowns |
| 21:09.51 | zeeg | whichnav bar |
| 21:09.56 | zeeg | up top? |
| 21:09.57 | zeeg | GRR |
| 21:09.59 | zeeg | FTP IS GONNA DIE |
| 21:10.02 | zeeg | it keeps alt+tab'ing |
| 21:10.03 | Iriel | Home Forums etc |
| 21:10.05 | Iriel | That one |
| 21:10.19 | zeeg | you on a laptop Iriel |
| 21:10.25 | zeeg | i have the same prob |
| 21:10.28 | zeeg | but it looked fine on my desktop |
| 21:10.54 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/ |
| 21:10.56 | Iriel | I'm on a laptop running at 1400 x 1050 |
| 21:10.57 | zeeg | better? |
| 21:10.57 | zeeg | haha |
| 21:11.01 | zeeg | ya thats wy Iriel |
| 21:11.03 | zeeg | it does something funny |
| 21:11.06 | zeeg | i havent figured it out yet |
| 21:11.37 | zeeg | green works |
| 21:11.40 | zeeg | not too ugly |
| 21:12.02 | zeeg | ooo red |
| 21:12.02 | zeeg | :D |
| 21:12.05 | zeeg | ok im done </monologue> |
| 21:12.21 | Astryl | Ugh, don't tell me you have a non-standard dpi, Iriel? |
| 21:12.30 | Shadowd | nice zeeg |
| 21:12.36 | zeeg | i think all widescreen laptops are like that |
| 21:12.39 | Astryl | The dpi setting in windows is fundamentally broken. |
| 21:12.40 | zeeg | cuz mine is too |
| 21:12.55 | Astryl | Nah zeeg, it's just a really stupid setting that most manufacturers change from default. |
| 21:13.07 | Astryl | So much stuff is completely broken by changing the dpi... |
| 21:13.08 | Iriel | I'm not in windows |
| 21:13.17 | Iriel | I suspect it's a css problem |
| 21:13.17 | Astryl | Oh, cool. Linux? OSX? |
| 21:13.22 | Iriel | linux |
| 21:13.33 | zeeg | but ya |
| 21:13.35 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.35 | zeeg | a LOT of stuff is broken |
| 21:13.42 | zeeg | i didnt know i could change it |
| 21:13.45 | zeeg | i didnt know wtf it was |
| 21:13.47 | Astryl | OKie. Well. Still. windows dpi settings are frelling retarded. |
| 21:13.54 | id` | Submidded idChat 1.8-1 1.8-2 1.8-3 .... 1.9-3 Maldivia |
| 21:13.57 | Astryl | Display properties, advanced. |
| 21:14.16 | Astryl | Should be 96. |
| 21:14.25 | Maldivia | id: ok - I take it you got it working ? |
| 21:14.25 | id` | my dpi is above 120 |
| 21:14.29 | id` | Maldivia: yes :-) |
| 21:14.53 | id` | hugs, even |
| 21:15.00 | Iriel | Aha! |
| 21:15.04 | Astryl | Windows'll let you change it to 120, but if you have it set to 120, I'd consider your whole os broken. Change it back to 96, for everyone's sakes. |
| 21:15.04 | Iriel | I have mozilla set at 125 dpi |
| 21:15.10 | Astryl | id, just turn on cleartype. |
| 21:15.20 | Iriel | Let me guess, the stylesheet mixes inch and pixel dimensions |
| 21:15.27 | zeeg | mines 120 |
| 21:15.33 | Astryl | Yeah, switch to 96, zeeg |
| 21:15.42 | Astryl | 120 is bad. I can't emphasize that enough. |
| 21:16.16 | Astryl | <blink><img src="200x500-120isbad.gif"></blink> |
| 21:16.22 | zeeg | YAY |
| 21:16.29 | zeeg | everythings tiny now |
| 21:16.30 | zeeg | lol |
| 21:16.35 | Iriel | What's wrtong with 120 dpi? |
| 21:16.36 | id` | Astryl: nah |
| 21:16.46 | Iriel | If your display actually HAS 120 pixels per inch |
| 21:17.17 | zeeg | holy shit |
| 21:17.19 | Astryl | Iriel, if it changed the actual resolution, that'd be great. |
| 21:17.19 | zeeg | everythings way too tiny |
| 21:17.22 | Astryl | But it doesn't. |
| 21:17.28 | Astryl | Then change your rez, zeeg. |
| 21:17.31 | zeeg | lol |
| 21:17.32 | zeeg | nah |
| 21:17.39 | zeeg | i can fit more on my screen this way |
| 21:17.39 | zeeg | :D |
| 21:17.41 | Astryl | Exactly. |
| 21:18.02 | zeeg | O.o |
| 21:18.09 | Astryl | 15" |
| 21:18.13 | Astryl | THAT is tiny shit. |
| 21:18.13 | zeeg | why? |
| 21:18.34 | Astryl | I can fit more shit on my screen. :) |
| 21:18.37 | id` | Astryl: i have 16:10 ratio, 1680*1050, 15 inch, lcd laptop screen. |
| 21:19.10 | id` | relatively way many pixels on 15 inch :-) |
| 21:19.35 | Maldivia | 17" and 19" LCD, both 1280x1024 |
| 21:19.40 | Astryl | I have 2 laptops in front of me, the 15" 1920x1200 and a 17" 1440x900. |
| 21:19.47 | Astryl | Ugh Mald, that's so little space... |
| 21:19.53 | id` | (It's a DELL INSPIRON 8600, with a WUXGA+ screen) |
| 21:19.55 | Astryl | id, "relatively way many" Compared to what? |
| 21:20.20 | Astryl | Mine's a Dell Inspiron 9100 with whatever's just above WUXGA+ :) |
| 21:20.27 | id` | oooo |
| 21:20.33 | id` | mine plays wow at 20 fps :( |
| 21:20.43 | Astryl | Aye, I get a little better than that. |
| 21:20.55 | Astryl | 35-40 in IF. |
| 21:20.56 | Maldivia | Astryl: yeah, well... but when I bought them, higher resolutions wasn't exactly cheap |
| 21:21.03 | Astryl | We prolly have different settings though. |
| 21:21.05 | zeeg | os[Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600)] uptime[1d 12h 35m 33s] cpu[1-AMD , 799MHz (16% Load)] mem[Usage: 504/1023MB (49.27%) [|||||-----]] |
| 21:21.05 | zeeg | :D |
| 21:21.13 | zeeg | er |
| 21:21.15 | zeeg | CPU: (1 CPU - AMDion 64 Mobilehnology ML-37, 2.00 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 1024KB (5% Load)) ¤ VidCard: (ATi MOBILITY Radeon X700) ¤ Mem: (Usage: 504/1023MB (49.27%)) ¤ Sound: (Realtek AC97 Audio) |
| 21:21.19 | zeeg | idk why that other one dont show right |
| 21:21.30 | zeeg | oh |
| 21:21.33 | zeeg | i thought this was an x300 |
| 21:21.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kolth` (n=amoeba@c-24-22-17-70.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:22.22 | id` | Astryl: well for example to maldivia's screen: (1280/19-1680/15) |
| 21:22.37 | id` | more pixels per inch |
| 21:22.38 | id` | :P |
| 21:22.57 | id` | eh im thinking wrong, the 15 inch probably is diabonal |
| 21:23.02 | id` | anyway, proves my point |
| 21:23.13 | id` | diagonal* |
| 21:23.56 | zeeg | wooo 2 registrations so far |
| 21:23.59 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:24.00 | zeeg | ill do what i did before |
| 21:24.07 | Astryl | Aye, 15 is diagonal. |
| 21:24.08 | zeeg | and say they have to register to download the patch (even if they dont) |
| 21:25.07 | Astryl | Mine looks to be about 13" wide, which is 1920 pixels... |
| 21:25.18 | id` | ;\ |
| 21:25.25 | Astryl | Which is just under 150ppi |
| 21:25.31 | id` | Astryl: http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/ |
| 21:25.37 | id` | try sheldon narrow |
| 21:25.43 | id` | thats what i like to use |
| 21:26.16 | Iriel | My god that's ugly |
| 21:26.41 | Astryl | Ah, that's the one used in the Mac terminal |
| 21:27.14 | Astryl | I prefer bank gothic. |
| 21:27.15 | Astryl | http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/bank-gothic/ |
| 21:27.27 | Iriel | I'm a lucida-typewriter fan |
| 21:28.02 | zeeg | kk |
| 21:28.04 | zeeg | last time i did this |
| 21:28.11 | zeeg | there were like 10k registrations in one day |
| 21:28.41 | AnduinLothar | zeeg, stop rambling |
| 21:29.11 | id` | Iriel: i tink its very pretty, can tell apart :"{}()+*&^^%$#@!<>?,./ really well |
| 21:29.18 | zeeg | making people login to download the patch |
| 21:29.24 | id` | what patch |
| 21:29.51 | zeeg | the wow patch |
| 21:30.14 | AnduinLothar | you know that having to register psses people off, right? |
| 21:30.26 | zeeg | ya |
| 21:30.26 | id` | g0t 81770rr3n7 ? |
| 21:30.40 | zeeg | but it also stops all these bastards linking to our download server as their own |
| 21:31.16 | AnduinLothar | make a radomized url that changes every 5 min |
| 21:31.30 | zeeg | oooo |
| 21:31.32 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4595 |
| 21:31.33 | zeeg | you gave me a great idea |
| 21:31.49 | Shadowd | I was going to say put a giant red flashing GIF, but the randomized URL works too |
| 21:31.54 | zeeg | a timestamped url, that is encoded to be +30 minutes from now |
| 21:31.56 | Beladona | more frosting on your poptarts? |
| 21:32.00 | Beladona | oh that |
| 21:32.00 | zeeg | thats a good idea |
| 21:32.05 | zeeg | but nah |
| 21:32.17 | zeeg | i dont liike seeing 30 registered users, 5100 guests online |
| 21:32.19 | zeeg | :p |
| 21:32.33 | Beladona | why not just check the referer if you are worried about hotlinking |
| 21:32.57 | zeeg | Beladona, it does now |
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| 21:33.06 | zeeg | but somehow the one site was still hotlinking it |
| 21:33.12 | Beladona | soooo, how are people linking to the download then? |
| 21:33.19 | zeeg | idk how, but i was able to download from their site, without clicking anything on wowguru |
| 21:33.23 | Iriel | id': http://www.iriel.org/images/tellapart.png |
| 21:33.24 | Beladona | need to make the referer check more strict |
| 21:33.29 | Iriel | I can tell them apart just fine also |
| 21:33.30 | zeeg | it is strict |
| 21:33.41 | zeeg | its that site only |
| 21:33.58 | zeeg | dk how they managed |
| 21:34.02 | zeeg | *idk |
| 21:34.07 | Beladona | I am one of those people that would find out how |
| 21:34.15 | zeeg | im lazy |
| 21:34.18 | Beladona | and then put up a nasty redirect |
| 21:34.30 | AnduinLothar | pron redir |
| 21:34.42 | zeeg | i was redirecting goldsellers to tubgirl for a while |
| 21:34.57 | Astryl | tubgirl? God you're mean. |
| 21:35.05 | Beladona | like redirect them to microsoft.com, that is really mean |
| 21:35.10 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 21:35.11 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 21:35.26 | Astryl | (Don't hurt me!) |
| 21:35.33 | AnduinLothar | what do u do for them? |
| 21:35.37 | Astryl | Code. |
| 21:35.39 | Iriel | The question is always, which PART of ms 8-) |
| 21:35.40 | Beladona | I have been testing Vista though, and even I have to admit they are making some good progress |
| 21:35.44 | Shadowd | You could always send a request to WoWGuru and fake the referer though |
| 21:35.48 | AnduinLothar | long as you dont work on the os we're ok |
| 21:35.50 | Iriel | Speaking of MS, I finally procured a 360 |
| 21:35.53 | AnduinLothar | or word |
| 21:35.59 | Beladona | nice Iriel |
| 21:35.59 | Astryl | Hell no. Not on office or windows. |
| 21:36.17 | Astryl | Not on anything anyone public would see. |
| 21:36.22 | AnduinLothar | ya, good progress to 2000 |
| 21:36.29 | Iriel | Microsoft Word used to be really good |
| 21:36.34 | zeeg | Shadowd, i think somehow they sent a request, then redirected the request, but im not sure |
| 21:36.37 | Beladona | used to be |
| 21:36.41 | zeeg | they might have used frames or something |
| 21:37.01 | Beladona | that sounds possible |
| 21:37.33 | id` | (it generates word docs) |
| 21:37.37 | AnduinLothar | Technical Functional Designs? |
| 21:37.40 | zeeg | ya |
| 21:37.45 | zeeg | i ws thinking the same anduin |
| 21:37.57 | id` | What one shows to the customer to sign. |
| 21:38.05 | id` | In it what you will do and wont do |
| 21:38.23 | Astryl | You mean a Statement of Work. |
| 21:38.26 | id` | written so the client understands and the programmer knows what functionality to include and what not |
| 21:38.27 | Iriel | One of those documents that everyone has a different name for |
| 21:38.29 | Iriel | No, it's not a SoW |
| 21:38.34 | id` | we call it FO's |
| 21:38.35 | Beladona | customer oriented compliance documents |
| 21:38.46 | Iriel | it's a technical design, functional design, technical specification, functional specification, specification, etc |
| 21:38.47 | id` | functioneel ontwerp :-) |
| 21:38.51 | Astryl | 'Spec'? |
| 21:38.54 | AnduinLothar | a 'spec' |
| 21:39.00 | Astryl | I see. |
| 21:39.08 | id` | anyway thats what it did, and it was hell to make |
| 21:39.24 | AnduinLothar | so you were a Systems Engineer |
| 21:39.33 | id` | nah, webdev |
| 21:39.35 | id` | :P |
| 21:39.39 | Iriel | SoW tends to be more along the lines of "We will deliver against the technical specification, at X cost, in Y days, with Z support" |
| 21:39.56 | AnduinLothar | woot, my shirt's here |
| 21:40.05 | zeeg | hrm |
| 21:40.16 | AnduinLothar | +20 Shirt of Smiting |
| 21:40.19 | Astryl | Yah, right. |
| 21:40.27 | zeeg | Does this sound like a good idea.. a raffle for a CE, maybe some in-game prizes too. 2 tickets per ui submission, 2 per movie submission, 1 per image submission (credible things of course), 3 for a guide, or something along those lines |
| 21:40.48 | AnduinLothar | spam ss, woot |
| 21:41.04 | AnduinLothar | ui and movies are so much harder to make.. |
| 21:41.12 | zeeg | well ui would also be updates |
| 21:41.19 | zeeg | and most people already have them, they just dont submit em |
| 21:41.24 | zeeg | same for movies |
| 21:42.28 | Iriel | You'd have to watch out for the various legal issues if you do that |
| 21:42.42 | zeeg | what do you mean |
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| 21:48.38 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/itemsets/ - what else should I show? |
| 21:49.40 | Shadowd | Rarity? |
| 21:50.28 | zeeg | hrm |
| 21:50.29 | Shadowd | The word "Class" is on the left where as all the classes are centered |
| 21:50.33 | Iriel | Sort all the items by color? |
| 21:50.41 | zeeg | it wont be 100% accurate |
| 21:50.48 | zeeg | shows centered for me |
| 21:51.36 | Shadowd | hmm, IE6 1600x1200, the rest are centered but class isn't for me |
| 21:51.45 | Beladona | yay, almost time to go home! |
| 21:51.55 | zeeg | strange |
| 21:52.48 | Beladona | so zeeg, are you going through manually and getting snapshots of models with various armor on them? |
| 21:52.49 | Shadowd | Yeah, that looks good |
| 21:53.17 | zeeg | itemsets we put em on models, otherwise its simply select a model, and take a picture w/ each skin |
| 21:53.35 | Beladona | lol thats funny |
| 21:53.54 | Beladona | its weird seeing horde shaman gear on a human |
| 21:54.06 | zeeg | wewt already 10 registrations |
| 21:54.07 | zeeg | i win |
| 21:54.08 | zeeg | :D |
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| 22:00.11 | Beladona | who are you competing with zeeg? |
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| 22:01.12 | zeeg | no one |
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| 22:01.23 | zeeg | im just trying to get less guests and more users |
| 22:01.24 | Shadowd | Sooo how do you win! |
| 22:01.30 | zeeg | because i did! |
| 22:03.00 | Iriel | He's competing against the invisible Dr Nobody. |
| 22:03.36 | Iriel | Whos devious genius is rivalled only by his incompetence and insubstantiality. |
| 22:03.45 | Iriel | s/Whos/Whose/ |
| 22:05.40 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 22:20.03 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I've just returned .... my god that's a large register button |
| 22:22.58 | Iriel | Any java folks here, and if so, do you find this technique as annoying as I do: static String SOME_SETTING = "SOME_SETTING"; |
| 22:23.23 | Shadowd | Yes |
| 22:23.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | You mean naming your variable the same as its default value? |
| 22:23.48 | Iriel | I actually ran into this earlier this week |
| 22:23.54 | Iriel | static String UNDERSCORE = "_"; |
| 22:23.56 | krka | not really |
| 22:23.59 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I'll say yes because I'll feel mroe intelligent then |
| 22:24.04 | Iriel | it's pointless indirection of constants, IMHO |
| 22:24.08 | Iriel | if it was something like |
| 22:24.21 | Iriel | static String SETTING_NAME = "xyzSetting"; where the latter might change, then i'll buy it |
| 22:24.30 | krka | i like to define static ZERO, ONE, TWO, et.c. |
| 22:24.45 | Iriel | For something more than object re-use? |
| 22:24.56 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Oh, and I might mention that wowguru works in IE7, if no-one had already tested, zeeg |
| 22:24.57 | Iriel | Because for Number classes there is value in it |
| 22:25.07 | krka | mostly to save time |
| 22:25.11 | krka | (for big integers) |
| 22:25.12 | Iriel | static Long ONE = Long.valueOf(1); -- sure |
| 22:25.24 | Iriel | Ok, that makes sense because you're re-using objects |
| 22:25.28 | Iriel | but for Strings... |
| 22:25.34 | Iriel | they're automatically interned anyway |
| 22:25.49 | krka | yeah, no point performance wise |
| 22:25.56 | krka | all benefits would be maintainability |
| 22:25.57 | Iriel | and "SOME_SETTING" and SOME_SETTING are as likely as one another to be messed up. I suppose you get protection from typos with the static versions |
| 22:26.12 | Iriel | As long as everyone uses them consistently |
| 22:26.46 | Iriel | Anyway, rant over. 8-) |
| 22:26.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | What's the benefit of static Long ONE = Long.valueOf(1)? Why can't you just use 1? |
| 22:27.45 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Proccd, Gryphen tests and breaks it quite often |
| 22:28.13 | Iriel | because Long is an object, (long would be = 1) |
| 22:28.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | I thought Java intelligently picked inbetween DWORDs, WORDs, etc. when you did a constant like "1" |
| 22:28.27 | Iriel | You can create as many Long objects with the same value as you want |
| 22:28.36 | Iriel | you're thinking of long, I think |
| 22:28.37 | Iriel | Not Long |
| 22:28.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | So the number 1 represents a Long object? |
| 22:28.46 | Iriel | no |
| 22:28.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Then why instantiate an object at all? |
| 22:28.59 | Iriel | the number 1 is a long value (a non-object primative type) |
| 22:29.09 | Iriel | You can't use non-objects for keys, for a start |
| 22:29.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oooh |
| 22:29.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | One of those kinky Java things, then |
| 22:29.33 | Iriel | And you may want arbitrary precision math, so could be using BigInteger |
| 22:29.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | "You must have objects for everything!!!!111ONE" <-- note the ONE here |
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| 23:02.09 | Tem | Hey Iriel, you around? |
| 23:02.25 | Iriel | I am |
| 23:02.34 | Tem | Do you happen to know off hand if frames can get both OnClick and OnMounsDown/Up events? |
| 23:03.08 | Iriel | I dont know what happens if you set one up that way |
| 23:03.27 | Tem | k, I'll just test it then |
| 23:03.54 | Iriel | You can certainly register for both |
| 23:04.03 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 23:05.08 | zeeg | fo shizzle |
| 23:05.09 | zeeg | Cairenn|afk |
| 23:05.13 | zeeg | do i still get to come to the part |
| 23:05.14 | zeeg | party |
| 23:06.00 | zeeg | wtf |
| 23:06.04 | zeeg | who owns wowwiki |
| 23:06.08 | zeeg | how many hits does that damn site gets |
| 23:06.16 | zeeg | it looks nearly as big as wowguru :s |
| 23:06.30 | Kirkburn|Proccd | nearly? |
| 23:06.56 | Tem | lol nearly |
| 23:06.58 | zeeg | wowguru is huge, i cant see wowwiki being that size for what it does |
| 23:07.05 | zeeg | maybe it just has more toolbar users |
| 23:07.34 | zeeg | ya there's no way :s |
| 23:07.34 | zeeg | # This page has been accessed 255073 times |
| 23:07.42 | Gryphen | you sure you want alexa toolbar users as your traffic? |
| 23:07.51 | zeeg | Gryphen, that what alexa.com compares from |
| 23:07.53 | Gryphen | not a high quality crowd there |
| 23:08.05 | Kirkburn|Proccd | zeeg, wowwiki is linked everywhere |
| 23:08.08 | zeeg | its ranked higher than me |
| 23:08.17 | zeeg | ya but still |
| 23:08.21 | zeeg | there's not a large enough niche |
| 23:08.28 | Tain | I did a bad thing. |
| 23:08.43 | Gryphen | wikis are a big thing |
| 23:08.44 | zeeg | hrm now the site wont load |
| 23:08.45 | zeeg | :s |
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| 23:09.01 | zeeg | Gryphen, but this doesnt have a big enough niche, and according to its hit counter, its not as big, but its ranked higher |
| 23:09.09 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Well, who *did* set up wowwiki? |
| 23:09.11 | zeeg | its rank 8k, wowguru's lucky to average 10k |
| 23:09.48 | AnduinLothar | vynn |
| 23:09.51 | Gryphen | vlad |
| 23:09.55 | zeeg | lol |
| 23:09.56 | AnduinLothar | ya that |
| 23:10.02 | AnduinLothar | one of those v's |
| 23:10.05 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 23:10.13 | Kirkburn|Proccd | U can't compare them to be honest, wowguru has more editorials, wowwiki is justa resource |
| 23:10.28 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Proccd, wowguru has more everything, its just strange that wowwiki is ranked so high |
| 23:10.32 | Tain | Yay for facts! |
| 23:10.33 | zeeg | i guessed itd be around 100k on alexa |
| 23:11.09 | Kirkburn|Proccd | zeeg, I don't disagree with you, but as Gryphen sais wikis are a big thing |
| 23:11.14 | Kirkburn|Proccd | *said |
| 23:11.27 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I've just noticed u've got all the mp3s up |
| 23:11.36 | zeeg | well just judging by their hit counters i can tell they're not even like a 1/10th, stupid alexa |
| 23:11.36 | Tain | Wikis are one of the greatest things to come alon in the information age. |
| 23:11.36 | id` | where can i buy a scout's tabard in org? |
| 23:11.39 | zeeg | ya i got everything |
| 23:11.58 | Kirkburn|Proccd | zeeg, a zip all of mp3s would be useful if poss |
| 23:12.04 | Gryphen | an the wiki points to 4 places with everything |
| 23:12.06 | Gryphen | first stop |
| 23:12.12 | Iriel | I hit the wiki many times a day |
| 23:12.26 | Iriel | Even for content I produced |
| 23:12.28 | AnduinLothar | all my addon docs are on the wiki |
| 23:12.31 | Iriel | it's just so handy |
| 23:12.32 | zeeg | i dont link to any outside sites for the most part |
| 23:12.37 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Meanie |
| 23:12.48 | zeeg | unless its something specifically i dont cover |
| 23:12.54 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Having said that, neither does worldofwar |
| 23:13.00 | zeeg | and when i upgrade vbulletin im making a whitelist url |
| 23:13.04 | zeeg | err a url whitelist |
| 23:13.06 | zeeg | for forums/etc |
| 23:13.09 | zeeg | tired of all the spam |
| 23:13.18 | Kirkburn|Proccd | A whitelist? |
| 23:13.28 | zeeg | ya so if its not int he list it wont let them post |
| 23:13.50 | Kirkburn|Proccd | it'll allow all subdomains as well? |
| 23:13.57 | Tain | Yeah Iriel, really before I even open up a piece of code I'e usually got my browser looking at the wiki, and the Lua 5 doc page. |
| 23:13.57 | zeeg | of certain sites, ya |
| 23:14.14 | zeeg | i was thinking about trying to set it up so if there was a url not in the whitelist, it'd refresh the post page, and ask them to enter a confirmation code |
| 23:14.18 | Cairenn|afk | zeeg, you never got to come to the party |
| 23:14.32 | zeeg | its over!? o.O |
| 23:14.40 | zeeg | what time is it in canadia? |
| 23:14.59 | Tem | Cairenn|afk: what kind of party? Daughter's bday party? |
| 23:15.38 | Cairenn|afk | Tem: yeah, sleep over ... house full of 17/18 year old females |
| 23:15.43 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Metric or imperial zeeg? |
| 23:15.50 | zeeg | O.o |
| 23:15.50 | zeeg | metric! |
| 23:15.53 | Tem | Cairenn|afk: sounds like it could go 2 ways |
| 23:16.08 | Kirkburn|Proccd | left or right? |
| 23:16.10 | Tem | Cairenn|afk: "jailbait" or "shoot me now" |
| 23:16.17 | AnduinLothar | girls prolly sleep at overnights, don't they.. |
| 23:16.23 | zeeg | they said 18 |
| 23:16.26 | zeeg | thats just fine for me |
| 23:16.28 | Cairenn|afk | Tem: 16 is legal in canada :p |
| 23:16.31 | Tem | ! |
| 23:16.41 | Cairenn|afk | 15'll get you 20, though |
| 23:16.47 | Tem | ok then |
| 23:16.49 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I'm worried that cairenn is continuing with this theme ... |
| 23:16.59 | zeeg | lol |
| 23:17.01 | zeeg | TO CANADA |
| 23:17.03 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.04 | zeeg | ill live in a igloo |
| 23:17.08 | Cairenn|afk | I'm not ... no one in this channel knows where I live, and there's no way you can find out |
| 23:17.14 | zeeg | I could |
| 23:17.15 | zeeg | im smart |
| 23:17.20 | zeeg | but i wouldnt |
| 23:17.21 | AnduinLothar | dont challenge zeeg |
| 23:17.22 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Find the only igloo |
| 23:17.22 | zeeg | nor would I want to |
| 23:17.26 | Tem | seriously Cair, we /could/ find out |
| 23:17.36 | zeeg | i could be a professional stalker |
| 23:17.37 | zeeg | or something |
| 23:17.39 | Tem | but we won't abuse our nerd powers |
| 23:17.40 | zeeg | but im not :) |
| 23:17.46 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Besides. 17/18 year old make a lot of noise |
| 23:17.51 | zeeg | lol |
| 23:17.52 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Like krakatoa blowing all over again |
| 23:17.56 | zeeg | hahahha |
| 23:18.10 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Twice |
| 23:18.24 | Cairenn|afk | you'd have a hell of a hard time trying to, there is no personal information of mine out there, and (with the exception of ... 2? of you) none of you know my real name |
| 23:18.39 | zeeg | sec |
| 23:18.45 | Cairenn|afk | anyway |
| 23:18.49 | Kirkburn|Proccd | So it's not Cairenn Cairenn? |
| 23:18.51 | Cairenn|afk | no, you aren't invited :p |
| 23:18.55 | Tem | lol |
| 23:18.58 | Tem | have fun Cairenn |
| 23:19.09 | Cairenn | we always do, they are a great bunch of girls |
| 23:19.23 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Keep a big store of ear plugs? |
| 23:19.24 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: hahahhaa, sleep? not! |
| 23:19.38 | AnduinLothar | kk, just checking |
| 23:19.43 | Tem | Cairenn: you see the south park this week? |
| 23:19.51 | Kirkburn|Proccd | That's still going? |
| 23:19.55 | Cairenn | I don't watch TV |
| 23:19.58 | Tem | They made Butters dress up as a girl |
| 23:20.06 | Tem | so that he could get invited to a girl's sluber party |
| 23:20.15 | Tem | to steal the "future telling device" |
| 23:20.21 | Kirkburn|Proccd | slobber party? |
| 23:20.31 | Tem | slumber* |
| 23:21.04 | Tem | ("fruture telling device" == folded up peice of notebook paper... you remember those from elementary school, right?) |
| 23:21.52 | Tem | The boys think they've won this huge war of the sexes stealing the girl's "secret weapon" |
| 23:22.01 | Kirkburn|Proccd | School days ... I remember those. Convincing friends we evolved from whales ... |
| 23:22.14 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Stories of time machine's kept in uncles sheds ... |
| 23:22.19 | Tem | hehe |
| 23:22.33 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Emptying of water bottles on other peopl ... |
| 23:23.36 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Playing of Duke Nukem continuously with the same rap music song on *all* the time |
| 23:24.00 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Not forgetting the wonderful days when someone brought in Micro Machines V2 :D |
| 23:24.20 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Mind you, this was only three years ago |
| 23:24.57 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Surely someone must remember micro machines tanks which went faster in reverse whilst firing? |
| 23:25.47 | Kirkburn|Proccd | philistines ... |
| 23:26.17 | id` | shool... |
| 23:26.19 | id` | not being there |
| 23:26.31 | id` | playing Half-Life:Team Fortress Classic all day |
| 23:26.37 | id` | thats about it |
| 23:26.38 | id` | ;p |
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| 23:28.10 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Well that's better :) |
| 23:28.53 | id` | With a finger deep in one nostril, you pass the time. |
| 23:28.56 | id` | hahaha |
| 23:28.59 | id` | love this emote |
| 23:29.17 | zeeg | GRR |
| 23:29.20 | zeeg | im gonna find cairenn's name |
| 23:29.21 | zeeg | b4 i leave |
| 23:29.31 | Cairenn | zeeg: good luck |
| 23:29.40 | zeeg | :D |
| 23:30.09 | MentalPower | randon question of the day: where are the game's tips located? |
| 23:30.12 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I'm really shocked at blizz eu ... they've changed the war rankings page from sayign when they last updated it (which, last time I looked, was a WEEK behind) to "Daily update between 10:00 AM and 11:00 AM CET" |
| 23:30.18 | MentalPower | s/randon/random/ |
| 23:30.35 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Also, the bars haven't moved for 2 weeks |
| 23:30.48 | zeeg | Cairenn, there's enough info on the net just off your handle that I could prolly do it |
| 23:30.51 | zeeg | but not in the 15 mins i have :S |
| 23:31.24 | zeeg | are you irish |
| 23:31.25 | zeeg | :P |
| 23:31.36 | Cairenn | seriously, just how stupid do you really think I am? I'm a female working in a highly visible position in an industry with a lot of (no insult actually intended, mere statement of fact) immature male users |
| 23:31.42 | Cairenn | actually, wrong |
| 23:31.46 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I've just found I've been saying your nick wrong all this time |
| 23:31.54 | Cairenn | my persona is irish |
| 23:32.04 | Kirkburn|Proccd | kaw-REEN |
| 23:32.19 | Kirkburn|Proccd | or |
| 23:32.20 | zeeg | hrm |
| 23:32.21 | Kirkburn|Proccd | KAW-ran |
| 23:32.26 | zeeg | Sullivan |
| 23:32.26 | zeeg | gah |
| 23:32.35 | zeeg | my eyes hurt so damn bad |
| 23:32.37 | zeeg | i need to sleep more |
| 23:32.49 | Cairenn | and Cairenn is *not* my RL name, I will tell you that much |
| 23:32.50 | zeeg | karen |
| 23:32.54 | zeeg | i assumed |
| 23:32.57 | zeeg | its to funny of a name |
| 23:33.02 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Cair, how do u pronounce it? |
| 23:33.14 | Kirkburn|Proccd | People have that name zeeg |
| 23:33.17 | Kolth | Kolth isn't my real name! |
| 23:33.29 | Tain | My bologna has a first name. |
| 23:33.39 | Kirkburn|Proccd | spaghetti? |
| 23:33.41 | Kolth | It's t a i n? |
| 23:33.49 | zeeg | zeeg is my real name |
| 23:33.57 | Kolth | no way DC |
| 23:34.14 | zeeg | :P |
| 23:34.20 | Tain | Oh oh oh I just remembered, I wanted to ask Dolby if we could get music added to the portals. Just so I could have, "oooh ooh ooh Tainted addons." play |
| 23:36.56 | id` | .. |
| 23:37.02 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 23:37.59 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Proccd: and I quote: |
| 23:38.00 | Cairenn | Cairenn(CAWR in, CAR in- first syllably rhymes with star, not like Karen) |
| 23:38.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.35 | Tem | whoops |
| 23:38.49 | Tem | I've been saying "karen" |
| 23:39.21 | Cairenn | so I pronounce it as if I were saying "park the car in the garage" ... it's "car", not "care" |
| 23:39.31 | zeeg | grr |
| 23:39.32 | Cairenn | "car in" |
| 23:39.36 | Kolth | I always said it "Care wren" |
| 23:39.37 | zeeg | Cairenn, does wow.com ever plug you guys? |
| 23:39.42 | Kirkburn|Proccd | gaaraaage |
| 23:39.57 | Cairenn | as in Blizz? |
| 23:39.59 | Cairenn | they have |
| 23:40.10 | Tain | Woah that's how I prounounce it. Except I occasionally have a Boston accent so it's more like, "Pahk the cah in the gahrahge" |
| 23:40.20 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Now they decided to take down azzor by linking on the US and EU sites |
| 23:40.45 | Cairenn | it's like everyone makes the joke of "cair-bear" ... except it doesn't rhyme with "care" |
| 23:40.52 | zeeg | they have, but do they often? |
| 23:41.00 | zeeg | It psises me off when I alwayts see sites like WorldofWar getting plugged |
| 23:41.18 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Different areas though zeeg |
| 23:41.21 | zeeg | it happens at least once a week, and IMO their site isn't spectacular in any specific area |
| 23:41.22 | Cairenn | they plug sites that are part of the FSP, duh |
| 23:41.35 | zeeg | Cairenn, not true |
| 23:41.39 | zeeg | they plug many sites |
| 23:41.45 | zeeg | but worldofwar is always in there |
| 23:41.59 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I can suggest a reason |
| 23:42.00 | zeeg | i got told they wouldnt let me on FSP because of content ive posted, yet the same content was available on worldofwar before i posted it |
| 23:42.01 | zeeg | :s |
| 23:42.17 | Tain | That's ok though Cairenn, much rather go to the "car-bar" anyway. |
| 23:42.22 | Kirkburn|Proccd | It's most likely to do with gold selling |
| 23:42.31 | zeeg | in what form |
| 23:42.34 | zeeg | that they sell it? |
| 23:42.43 | Cairenn | lol tain |
| 23:42.52 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Worldofwar is a totally gold selling free site |
| 23:42.56 | zeeg | wowguru has no affiliation with gold sellers and we never got on |
| 23:43.07 | Kirkburn|Proccd | zeeg, u've already said why u didn't get on |
| 23:43.15 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Doesn't mean u won't in future |
| 23:43.22 | zeeg | ahh |
| 23:43.22 | zeeg | Our server hardware (that hosts this site) is getting hammered at the moment, due to links on both worldofwarcraft.com and wow-europe.com. Blizzplanet.com (who we host) also has two links. |
| 23:43.23 | zeeg | figures |
| 23:43.29 | zeeg | i hate that site so jmuch |
| 23:43.29 | zeeg | azzor.com |
| 23:43.30 | zeeg | they spread such bs |
| 23:43.46 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I wouldn't say so |
| 23:43.46 | zeeg | supposable wowguru sold gold, according to them, along with a number of other false facts |
| 23:43.52 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Proccd, that was long before that |
| 23:44.19 | Tain | At least you're not hosting cheats and hacks though, zeeg. |
| 23:44.20 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Well, then pester them, make sure they realise |
| 23:44.35 | zeeg | Tain, who hosts that |
| 23:44.38 | Kirkburn|Proccd | CG will never be linked in it's current state |
| 23:44.43 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Proccd, i have |
| 23:45.12 | Kirkburn|Proccd | That's unfortnate zeeg, I see no reason why theyt shouldn't host u now |
| 23:45.19 | Kirkburn|Proccd | link, even! |
| 23:45.21 | zeeg | i basically told azzor.com i wouldnt be part of their nogold.org campaign because it's a bs whitelist and it discriminates, so i got blacklisted.. |
| 23:45.55 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Azzor is also likely prefered cos od blizzplanet |
| 23:46.05 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Proccd, ive posted early content twice, never had any affiliation with gold sellers, the sites huge, and i put an assload of work into it.. and they still stick with their pet site |
| 23:46.09 | zeeg | blizzplanet is the guy who started trouble w/ wowguru |
| 23:46.12 | zeeg | he used to run wowguru |
| 23:46.24 | zeeg | and then he got fired for not doing anything, and starting spreading shit about various things |
| 23:46.45 | zeeg | hell |
| 23:46.57 | zeeg | i have azzor.com's staff coming to me telling me they hate the site and want to help wowguru |
| 23:47.24 | Kirkburn|Proccd | and what happens then? |
| 23:47.37 | Gryphen | never heard of it heh |
| 23:47.51 | Kirkburn|Proccd | zeeg, just in case I'm not disagreeing with u, I'm just playing devil's advocate a little |
| 23:47.57 | zeeg | ya |
| 23:48.08 | zeeg | the guys moving all his content to wowguru because the owner of azzor was being a prick to him |
| 23:48.14 | zeeg | i dont know the whole story tho |
| 23:48.15 | Kirkburn|Proccd | missing comma, "just in case, I'm ..." |
| 23:48.26 | Kirkburn|Proccd | intruiging |
| 23:48.42 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Well anyway, I hope for the best for you |
| 23:48.48 | zeeg | it dont matter |
| 23:49.06 | zeeg | sooner or later they'll have to accept that wowguru holds its own, and maybe they'll take part in it |
| 23:49.15 | zeeg | wow-europe has linked me on several occasions |
| 23:49.27 | Kirkburn|Proccd | :) |
| 23:49.34 | zeeg | Cairenn|afk, is wowi not in the fsp? |
| 23:49.36 | Kirkburn|Proccd | btw, worldofwar is a uk site |
| 23:50.16 | zeeg | is it? |
| 23:51.15 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Yup |
| 23:51.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dukeku (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:51.23 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Scottish to be exact |
| 23:51.37 | Kirkburn|Proccd | I forget the town |
| 23:51.54 | zeeg | ya they got a limo and everything to blizzcon |
| 23:51.55 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Many bit sites seem to be UK based, I like it :p |
| 23:51.56 | zeeg | that ticked me off a bit |
| 23:52.09 | Kirkburn|Proccd | How did that fit in to what I said? |
| 23:52.09 | zeeg | provided by blizzard that is |
| 23:52.12 | Kirkburn|Proccd | ah |
| 23:52.25 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Er, and you're sure about that? |
| 23:52.57 | Kirkburn|Proccd | it just sounds a little, er, like a malicious rumour |
| 23:53.04 | zeeg | im sure |
| 23:53.14 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Why? |
| 23:53.14 | zeeg | they were showing off in their trip review |
| 23:53.27 | zeeg | i didnt even go to blizzcon and i had the most content form it IIRCL |
| 23:53.34 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Falkirk in Scotland |
| 23:53.37 | zeeg | but anyways |
| 23:53.39 | zeeg | i gtg |
| 23:53.58 | zeeg | </anger management> :P |
| 23:54.04 | Kirkburn|Proccd | IGE is a big company isn't it .. :s |
| 23:54.08 | zeeg | very |
| 23:54.12 | zeeg | they are the same company as ogaming |
| 23:54.17 | zeeg | which is ALSO on the FSP |
| 23:54.32 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Who do they own in the WoW community? |
| 23:54.32 | zeeg | im not sure if WoWI is, but i would have thought they were, which is why i was curious to see if they got plugged a lot |
| 23:54.43 | zeeg | they own ogaming, thottbot, and the interface sites now |
| 23:54.52 | zeeg | but they seem to be keeping interface, and ogmaing (from what i can see) clean |
| 23:54.57 | zeeg | anyways, gone |
| 23:55.16 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Yes WoWI is still gold-ad free, I'm sure that's cair |
| 23:55.35 | Tain | Yeah no one will take my gold ads anymore. :( |
| 23:55.54 | zeeg | my sites havfe gold ads |
| 23:55.54 | Kirkburn|Proccd | huh? |
| 23:56.02 | Kirkburn|Proccd | Why? |
| 23:56.06 | zeeg | but thats because 1) they pay good money, 2) im not going to filter out anything on adsense |
| 23:56.20 | Kirkburn|Proccd | ah morality goes out the window :) |
| 23:56.26 | zeeg | i have no morals |
| 23:56.27 | zeeg | im a business man |
| 23:56.35 | zeeg | besides, my site hardly has any ads |
| 23:56.35 | Kirkburn|Proccd | worldofwar do :p |
| 23:56.43 | zeeg | my ass they do |
| 23:56.47 | zeeg | if they had morals, they wouldnt be such jackasses |
| 23:56.47 | Kirkburn|Proccd | have morals |
| 23:56.57 | Kirkburn|Proccd | How are they jackasses?! |
| 23:57.02 | zeeg | thats why they ignore emails, and wont do anything for anyone but themselves |
| 23:57.13 | zeeg | http://wow.mmotheatre.com/2076/crafting-worlds--deity--switcher.html - red text = the only ads on that site |
| 23:57.25 | zeeg | and somehow i still manage to pay my server bill, without flooding users w/ images/etc |
| 23:57.26 | zeeg | anyways |
| 23:57.28 | zeeg | im really gone now :p |
| 23:57.33 | Kirkburn|Proccd | byee |
| 23:58.48 | Kirkburn|Proccd | ... I still like worldofwar :) |
| 23:59.06 | Tain | Yeah, I dunno. Maybe it's just certain people they don't want to respond to. |
| 23:59.49 | Kirkburn|Proccd | It's a kind of community thing. I can understand it really, competition is hard to do whilst staying friends |
