| 00:00.01 | Iriel | Celandro : That would be bad |
| 00:00.09 | Iriel | Celandro : You'd be screwed if you went BACK to the original zone |
| 00:00.26 | AnduinLothar | possibly. there's always ways to optimize, but in general have 100 LoD addons |
| 00:00.32 | Maldivia | die, release... wipe list... get ressed, recreate list... |
| 00:00.33 | Maldivia | etc |
| 00:00.45 | Celandro | Does WoW support addons in sub directories yet? |
| 00:00.52 | Iriel | Celandro : Why would it have to? |
| 00:00.53 | Celandro | I wanted it for Tooltips* way back when |
| 00:01.01 | Iriel | Celandro : A common prefix would make them manageable |
| 00:01.07 | Celandro | it was manageable |
| 00:01.09 | AnduinLothar | ya prefixing is standard |
| 00:01.10 | Celandro | people still hated it |
| 00:01.39 | AnduinLothar | right, but an item database would be insanely popular |
| 00:01.55 | Celandro | true |
| 00:02.05 | Celandro | just wonder if you could write a subDirectory type loader |
| 00:02.12 | zeeg | hrm |
| 00:02.15 | Celandro | generic and use it for that type of thing |
| 00:02.21 | Maldivia | AnduinLothar: just track it as you go... :) |
| 00:02.21 | zeeg | anyone know where i can go about finding drivers/software for motorola v26x phone? |
| 00:02.22 | Celandro | would be useful for Gatherer too |
| 00:02.25 | AnduinLothar | nah, you can't load files, just addons |
| 00:02.30 | Cairenn | night sarfg |
| 00:02.36 | Cairenn | sarf|sleep* |
| 00:02.40 | AnduinLothar | Maldiva> MobInfo already does that |
| 00:02.40 | Celandro | anduin: you cant load files yet |
| 00:02.54 | Maldivia | AnduinLothar: yeah, I know :) |
| 00:02.55 | Cairenn | zeeg, google for it? |
| 00:02.55 | Celandro | you can always request a subdirectory addon feature |
| 00:03.05 | AnduinLothar | you wont get it |
| 00:03.08 | Iriel | I'm pretty sure we'll never get per-file loading |
| 00:03.17 | Celandro | would be really nice to have all CT mods in their own folder |
| 00:03.22 | Celandro | type of thing |
| 00:03.29 | Celandro | not asking for per file |
| 00:03.43 | Celandro | just allow better directory structures for individual addons |
| 00:03.48 | Maldivia | so you mean like Interface\Addons\Author\AddonName\... |
| 00:03.51 | Celandro | yes |
| 00:04.16 | Celandro | and a loader like Khaos could have a tree type structure for disable/enable by folder |
| 00:04.18 | AnduinLothar | then how do you store vars, still by addon name? |
| 00:04.29 | Maldivia | doubt you'll get it, or Blizzard most like would have implemented it when they made their owen LoD mods |
| 00:04.35 | Celandro | sure |
| 00:04.45 | Celandro | then all Blizzards could be in their own too |
| 00:05.00 | Celandro | i just cant imagine it being a difficult feature to code |
| 00:05.03 | Iriel | there has to be a sane limit for .toc scanning too |
| 00:05.22 | Iriel | One level deeper would be okay |
| 00:05.26 | Celandro | yes |
| 00:05.29 | Iriel | with the addon names being "CT/Whatever" |
| 00:05.36 | Celandro | yes |
| 00:05.38 | Iriel | (We'd have to pick / or \, I hope it'd be /) |
| 00:05.43 | Celandro | well |
| 00:05.45 | Iriel | But still, it's beyond what's necessary |
| 00:05.47 | Celandro | could be CT_Whatever |
| 00:05.47 | Maldivia | SavedVarables would have the same structure then ? |
| 00:05.50 | Iriel | No |
| 00:05.52 | Celandro | to match current standards :P |
| 00:05.55 | Iriel | It couldn't be CT_Whatever |
| 00:06.05 | Iriel | because then AddOns/CT_Whatever would conflict with AddOns/CT/Whatever |
| 00:06.07 | Iriel | which would be bad. |
| 00:06.14 | Celandro | ok ok :P |
| 00:06.32 | Celandro | just thought it would be easier to convert settings over that way |
| 00:06.32 | Iriel | I can think of several more things I'd like before that |
| 00:06.49 | Maldivia | Iriel: would most likely be \ though - since Blizzard uses \ internally - just check all the textures etc in the XML files |
| 00:06.52 | Iriel | (It'd screw up the saved variables folders also) |
| 00:07.14 | Celandro | could just add sub directories in the saved variable folders too |
| 00:07.16 | Iriel | So, I still think it'll never happen. |
| 00:07.34 | Iriel | I'd rather have '## LoadFirst: Please' 8-) |
| 00:07.42 | Maldivia | hmm, what about CT/CT.toc and CT/RaidAssist/RaidAssist.toc |
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| 00:08.12 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 00:08.13 | Maldivia | just to continue with the CT as an example |
| 00:08.16 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 00:08.21 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:08.22 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 00:08.27 | Maldivia | Bæææ |
| 00:08.41 | Astryl | Is there anyone here is familiar with WoW's data file format...? |
| 00:08.53 | Maldivia | which format? |
| 00:08.58 | Astryl | Well, not 'format', perse... |
| 00:09.04 | AnduinLothar | well it WOULD make embedable addon even easier.. |
| 00:09.27 | Celandro | I already have like 60 addons.. its rediculous that I cant put them in their own sub folders |
| 00:09.35 | AnduinLothar | would still much rather have load logic |
| 00:09.50 | Maldivia | Astryl: well, mpq? dbc? wdb? blp? or ? |
| 00:09.50 | Astryl | Well, I'm pretty sure that what I want to do is confined to m2's/mdx's and dbc's |
| 00:09.58 | Astryl | Ah, and blps. |
| 00:10.17 | Astryl | I'm trying to go one step beyond a simple model swap. |
| 00:10.48 | AnduinLothar | ##LoadLogic: not IsMounted |
| 00:10.49 | AnduinLothar | IsMounted/Ismounted.toc |
| 00:11.41 | cladhaire | Why bother with something like that |
| 00:11.44 | Astryl | Two things I'm trying to swap... First one is easy, except it's not using some of the animations that I know are there. |
| 00:11.46 | cladhaire | when the logic for an embed is so trivial |
| 00:12.16 | Astryl | Specifically, I'm trying to swap TigonMale in for DruidCat. |
| 00:12.16 | AnduinLothar | sometimes it's not |
| 00:12.30 | Iriel | Auto-stubbing Load on demand would be nice, but we beat that subject to death on the forum a while back, as being complex enough that 2 addons (stub+body) is the sanest solution |
| 00:12.46 | Astryl | Both DruidCat and TigonMale have 'DruidCatRavage' animations. |
| 00:13.04 | AnduinLothar | for instance Sea will have multiple children, each havign their own version numbers |
| 00:13.15 | Astryl | However, when swapped in, the tigon's ravage animation is never used, it just used the unarmed attack animation. |
| 00:13.25 | Iriel | Well, can't sea manage which ones are directly compatible, and which aren't? |
| 00:13.38 | Maldivia | Astryl: no idea |
| 00:13.41 | AnduinLothar | the children aren't in the Sea folder |
| 00:13.46 | Astryl | Know anyone that would have an idea? |
| 00:14.03 | Iriel | Oh, I see, you mean sea is comprised of multiple addon components? |
| 00:14.07 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:14.08 | Maldivia | Astryl: hmm... Blizzard Hot Line... heh :) |
| 00:14.12 | Astryl | Heh. |
| 00:14.43 | Astryl | Well, my second issue is different, someone might have an idea on it... |
| 00:14.54 | AnduinLothar | so if the version nuber as seen in the toc of a child is < the known global variable, dont load the following file |
| 00:15.05 | Astryl | How do you swap a model with 2 textures for one with a single texture? |
| 00:15.33 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Well, I think you have to implement that in lua after load |
| 00:15.43 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : After all there's no wow support for addon version numbers |
| 00:15.55 | AnduinLothar | mmm, thought there was.. in the toc |
| 00:16.01 | AnduinLothar | ##Version? |
| 00:16.24 | AnduinLothar | doesn't myAddons use it? |
| 00:16.36 | AnduinLothar | i could be wrong |
| 00:16.46 | AnduinLothar | i knwo i've seen it used before in a toc tho |
| 00:16.50 | Iriel | I've seen it used |
| 00:16.55 | Iriel | but I dont believe it's official |
| 00:17.37 | AnduinLothar | did i hear something about getting toc# from an addon in 1.10? |
| 00:18.07 | Iriel | No, we can get the game's build |
| 00:18.16 | Iriel | so if your addon knows what toc it was written for, you can do the same thing |
| 00:18.34 | Iriel | name, title, notes, enabled, loadable, reason, security = GetAddOnInfo(index or "name") |
| 00:18.36 | Iriel | Note - no version |
| 00:18.42 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 00:18.47 | Iriel | I believe myAddons uses a version in the title or notes |
| 00:18.55 | Astryl | *sigh* So no clue from anyone on any of these model swapping woes, or ideas where to find some of this info, or tutorials, or know of anyone at all that might know any of that? |
| 00:19.14 | AnduinLothar | never messed with models, sorry |
| 00:19.24 | AnduinLothar | 'high maintinence' |
| 00:19.24 | Tain | Me neither. |
| 00:19.39 | Iriel | I dont believe in model swapping, so I haven't done any either. |
| 00:19.42 | Tain | Well messed with girls who said they were, "just doing this to get through school so they can become model." |
| 00:19.47 | Tain | But I didn't believe them. |
| 00:19.55 | Astryl | Heh Tain. |
| 00:20.03 | Astryl | Don't believe in? What's that mean? |
| 00:20.14 | AnduinLothar | I've actualy dated a model, so I take that back.. |
| 00:21.11 | AnduinLothar | dunno what I was thinking... oh wait.... 'damn, she's hot' |
| 00:21.12 | Tain | Well I dated someone who got paid for some pictures they took... but I still don't know I'd call that modeling. |
| 00:21.45 | Tain | Astryl: The only grphics work I've done with WoW is replacing individual textures. Never any of the 3d stuff though. Window frames, stuff like that. |
| 00:21.46 | Maldivia | photographer ? |
| 00:22.11 | AnduinLothar | of herself I would immagine |
| 00:22.17 | Tain | fark headline of the day (as voted by me.) "Britney Spears will lead this year's Mardi Gras celebration in New Orleans. Kids at festivities will be discouraged from hitting her with broomsticks to get delicious candy" |
| 00:22.22 | Maldivia | Artist then ?:) |
| 00:23.31 | Tain | Oh. Sorry, my vote has been vetoed and trumped by me. The new headline of the day. "Police arrest Scott Stapp following his wedding. Reportedly charged with impersonating a heterosexual" |
| 00:24.01 | Iriel | Astryl : It means that I feel it's against the spirit of the game and the game world. I'll do customization through the tools provided, but I wont mess with the contents of the world. |
| 00:24.03 | AnduinLothar | I thought it was "Vice President shoots hunter partner in face" |
| 00:24.17 | AnduinLothar | hunting* |
| 00:24.18 | Tain | No, that story just pisses me off. |
| 00:25.23 | Tain | Why the hell there was NO news reported about the VP of the United States shooting someone for 18 hours after it happened is just a;sjdfkalsjd;fa I don't even have words to express how asinine that is. |
| 00:26.09 | AnduinLothar | lol, do you REALLY need to be that up to date on your public officials for non political issues? |
| 00:26.31 | Tain | When the VP shoots someone with a shotgun and then won't let anyone report on it? |
| 00:26.32 | Tain | Yes. |
| 00:27.19 | Tain | Anyway. |
| 00:27.22 | Tain | How about those 3d models. |
| 00:27.58 | AnduinLothar | simone? |
| 00:28.52 | AnduinLothar | the rock concert.... out of control.. |
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| 00:34.55 | Wobin_ | I keep recalling why I hate redeye flights |
| 00:35.03 | Wobin_ | It just wipes me out for the next few days =( |
| 00:35.20 | AnduinLothar | heh. that's my play time |
| 00:35.37 | Tain | They really mess with you. |
| 00:35.43 | Wobin_ | it's only 8:30am and I'm zonked |
| 00:35.57 | AnduinLothar | that's cause it's 8:30am |
| 00:36.05 | AnduinLothar | I'm ALWAYS zonked at 8:30am |
| 00:36.12 | Tain | I remember once, in my young and foolish days, I thought I could fly back redeye and just go to work from the airpot. |
| 00:36.27 | AnduinLothar | sleep on the plane |
| 00:36.31 | Wobin_ | Hah |
| 00:36.33 | Wobin_ | I was in the front row |
| 00:36.33 | Tain | Trying to squeeze that one extra vacation day out. |
| 00:36.46 | Wobin_ | A certain lack of ability to sprawl unfortunately |
| 00:36.53 | Wobin_ | Lots of legroom however |
| 00:37.24 | Wobin_ | The previous leg I managed to get a couple of seats to myself with the armrest up, so I could nap a bit |
| 00:37.40 | Tain | The one good thing I've found about redeyes is every single time I've flown like that they've offered dirt cheap 1st class upgrades from coach. |
| 00:38.31 | Tain | So I've always booked coach when doing those. :)( |
| 00:38.55 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 00:39.09 | Tain | Woah Beatles / Beastie Boys mashups. I'm there. |
| 00:40.12 | Wobin_ | I think I've heard that one |
| 00:40.17 | Wobin_ | What are they mashing? |
| 00:41.20 | Tain | DJ in NYC (I think) mixing together songs from both groups. |
| 00:42.00 | Wobin_ | Ah, so no particular mixup |
| 00:43.05 | Wobin_ | My favourite mixup. do a search for Tripod Oasis Medley |
| 00:43.17 | Wobin_ | (granted, not technically a mash, but still very cool) |
| 00:43.35 | Tain | I still love The Grey Album |
| 00:44.14 | Tain | DJ Danger Mouse doing The Beatles White Album and Jay-Z's The Black Album together. |
| 00:44.38 | Wobin_ | hehe even though Jay-Z's name is less original, that's still a good name |
| 00:45.31 | Tain | It was the first time I'd ever heard of entire albums being mixed. Of course I was just missing out. :) |
| 00:45.41 | AnduinLothar | mmm danger mouse is good, gonna have to dig up that disk |
| 00:46.38 | Tain | Oh shit 5 seconds in the first song and I'm hooked. |
| 00:47.16 | Tain | "Love Me Do" and "Hey Ladies" |
| 00:53.06 | AnduinLothar | seems to be mostly jay-z from what i can see |
| 00:53.17 | AnduinLothar | hear* |
| 00:53.49 | AnduinLothar | tho the (partial) melodies are an improvement |
| 00:54.24 | Tain | The Grey Album is almost entirely Jay-Z's lyric track, as far as vocals. |
| 00:54.29 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 00:55.42 | Tain | And I don't even like Jay-Z much. But I really think that Danger Mouse did an awesome job matching the songs. |
| 00:56.08 | AnduinLothar | needs more beatles |
| 00:56.44 | Tain | Everything could benefit from more Beatles. :) |
| 00:57.35 | Tain | I have a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell! |
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| 00:59.08 | AnduinLothar | I have a More Cowbell t-shirt |
| 00:59.09 | Tain | That's why I like this Beastles one. Still a lot of Beastie Boys vocals, but a good amount of Beatles harmony with it. |
| 00:59.11 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 00:59.34 | AnduinLothar | track name? |
| 01:00.06 | Tain | This is from the one I just found, dj BC and the Beastles - Let It Beast |
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| 01:09.22 | Legorol | We have a ninja on the forums! |
| 01:09.34 | Cairenn | hey Legorol :) |
| 01:09.49 | Cairenn | sweet dreams ;) |
| 01:09.54 | Legorol | thanks |
| 01:12.55 | AnduinLothar | we have an irc ninja too aparently |
| 01:13.11 | Wobin_ | Feh, My Tauren's guild name is "A little more cowbell" =P |
| 01:13.44 | AnduinLothar | 'More Cowbell' would be sufficient |
| 01:24.49 | Cairenn | ROFL @ Iriel's quit message |
| 01:25.16 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:28.03 | MentalPower | LOL |
| 01:28.07 | Maldivia | it's just a standard BitchX quit messary |
| 01:28.09 | Maldivia | message* |
| 01:30.41 | Cairenn | oh, I know, but it's still amusing |
| 01:31.16 | Cairenn | (and an amused Cair is better than a cranky Cair) |
| 01:33.36 | AnduinLothar | mmmk, pass-by-refrance assembly implimentation goes right over my head.. |
| 01:39.57 | Wobin_ | AnduinLothar: I tried that, alas it was not a valid name |
| 01:40.03 | Wobin_ | (possibly cause someone had already taken it) |
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| 01:51.53 | SP|Sorren | AnduinLothar: I think when you pass by reference what you push onto the stack is the actual location of the argument |
| 01:52.16 | SP|Sorren | in memory o.O, but i could be wrong since i didnt pay attention at all in my assembly class ;O |
| 01:53.28 | AnduinLothar | right, i understand that part. what I don't get is how it works for resursive functions |
| 01:54.13 | AnduinLothar | like if you call func(n-2) from inside the func(n) function where n is a global variable... |
| 01:54.56 | AnduinLothar | the recursive functions don't actually modify the value of the global do they? |
| 01:55.29 | AnduinLothar | i mean n=1 in a func would, but then how do you do the n-2 |
| 01:55.45 | AnduinLothar | define a new function local? |
| 01:56.14 | AnduinLothar | and pass the data location fo the local? |
| 01:56.26 | AnduinLothar | that could work... |
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| 02:07.21 | Tain | I've been handshaking for about 2 minutes now. I don't think my arm can take it. |
| 02:08.49 | AnduinLothar | my wrist is still recovering from a sprain |
| 02:10.10 | Wobin_ | I wonder how well I can WoW off this stolen wireless internet =P |
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| 02:13.20 | zeeg | www.dslreports.com/stest |
| 02:13.20 | zeeg | :P |
| 02:16.31 | Wobin_ | ... *tries to log into Suramar* |
| 02:17.07 | Wobin_ | *whimper* |
| 02:18.10 | Wobin_ | Could Not Log Into World Of Warcraft At This Time, Please Try Again Later |
| 02:18.17 | AnduinLothar | login server go boom |
| 02:18.18 | Wobin_ | *pout* |
| 02:18.36 | Wobin_ | s/poke/pokes/ |
| 02:18.57 | Tain | well, since it's going to be a while until I can actually get in, has anyone played with setting the global UI scale greater than 1? You can't in the main menu, but you should at least be allowed to by using SetCVar("UiScale" |
| 02:19.09 | Shadowd | Yeah, it's probably a bad sign considering it's now taken me over 30 seconds to get the loot off a mob |
| 02:19.41 | AnduinLothar | wow, i got in |
| 02:19.48 | Wobin_ | Oh well, on the bright side, I know it's not my connection =) |
| 02:19.51 | Tain | But I don't know if it does let you, and if it does if there are any negative consequences. |
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| 02:30.10 | zeeg | ikm ASSUMING this means "it wont happen again" |
| 02:30.11 | zeeg | hiyi says: |
| 02:30.11 | zeeg | Regarding hits the advertisement at the forum the matter, I felt was sorry extremely whether. puts the advertisement by other ways |
| 02:30.13 | zeeg | what do you guys think? |
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| 02:33.00 | Cairenn | wtf are you talking about zeeg? |
| 02:34.25 | AnduinLothar | work time |
| 02:35.30 | zeeg | Cairenn, spammers on wowguru |
| 02:35.38 | zeeg | i cant understand them |
| 02:35.44 | zeeg | im trying to get them to knock it off w/o calling up the isp |
| 02:37.00 | zespri | where is the description of what fields in item:1111:0:0:0 mean? |
| 02:37.12 | zespri | tried to find on the wowwiki and couldn't |
| 02:37.40 | zeeg | theres an article here.. one sec |
| 02:37.47 | Cairenn | zeeg: okay, and you copy and paste that crap in here, why? |
| 02:37.50 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11536 |
| 02:38.54 | Cairenn | seriously? why do you continually insist on dumping that stuff in this channel? it has NOTHING to do with what this channel is about |
| 02:39.24 | zespri | zeeg, thank you |
| 02:39.45 | Cairenn | what makes you think we're even remotely interested in it? |
| 02:41.26 | Cairenn | it's like your continual linking to mmofiles or whatever the heck it is ... *what does that have to do with either WoWInterface.com or with WoW UI modding?* |
| 02:43.02 | Cairenn | it's bad enough you are always in here pushing your mod site, something no other site does - you don't see net or rushster in here spamming their sites, even though they are in channel by times ... you don't see any of us in *your* channel, spamming our sites ... it's common courtesy and respect |
| 02:43.25 | Cairenn | but you also go on and on and on about stuff that isn't even *remotely* related |
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| 02:58.28 | Shadowd | So if you want to find out if someone can complete a quest without it being in there log, is there a function call for this? Doubt it can be done without hard coding whats required and checking that |
| 02:58.42 | Shadowd | ( for example, Alterac Valley part turn ins ) |
| 02:59.30 | pagefault | watch your money disappear! |
| 02:59.32 | pagefault | err |
| 02:59.34 | pagefault | wrong window |
| 02:59.52 | pagefault | multimontitor focus is lame |
| 03:07.50 | Cairenn | anyone still logged in to the Blizz forums? forum log in is down ... |
| 03:21.05 | zeeg | Cairenn, what is your deal |
| 03:21.06 | zeeg | seriously |
| 03:21.12 | zeeg | im nothiung but nice to WoWI |
| 03:21.24 | zeeg | which is something im getting more reluctant to be the way things work in here |
| 03:21.32 | zeeg | Mod Dev Discussions |
| 03:21.45 | zeeg | most people in here are capable of intelligent conversation, so I discuss such things |
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| 03:23.33 | zeeg | If you'd prefer this be one of those "if you talk about anything other than wowinterface.com" rooms, then say so and let it be |
| 03:23.38 | zeeg | but until now, i thought it wasnt |
| 03:24.19 | Tain | I'm not able to login the forums either, Cairenn. Very sad. :( |
| 03:24.54 | cladhaire | Has Rislyn responded to the 1.10 UI kit thread yet? |
| 03:25.17 | Shadowd | yeah |
| 03:25.28 | cladhaire | O RLY? |
| 03:25.45 | Shadowd | yes :p |
| 03:25.54 | Shadowd | She even has an avatar now |
| 03:25.57 | cladhaire | aah i just missed it on my way home from work |
| 03:26.01 | cladhaire | OMG its a ninja |
| 03:26.03 | cladhaire | i LOVE it |
| 03:26.05 | cladhaire | and i love the name |
| 03:26.36 | Tain | Oooh awesome. :) |
| 03:26.57 | cladhaire | next UI community party.. I'm bringing [Savory Deviate Delight] |
| 03:28.47 | Tain | Now that'll make for a party. |
| 03:35.46 | cladhaire | ok folks |
| 03:35.47 | cladhaire | evening |
| 03:40.19 | zespri | so basicaly there is no way to find out if certain item is safe to link or not without risking disconnection, right? that's what this disconnection here for - if you are not sure about an item you really shouldn't ask or face the consequences |
| 03:40.36 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 03:40.42 | Shouryuu | at least I thibnk so |
| 03:43.46 | zespri | I was just reading secription of ItemSync which said "ItemSync constantly monitors items and will validate them the moment they become valid. It does this with no risk to you of disconnection." I guess this is misleading. it doesn't validate them when they first added to the server cache, which one might think after reading this description, in just validates them after the client have seen an item |
| 03:44.37 | Shouryuu | I trust you know better than I do |
| 03:44.58 | zespri | I wonder if client item cache get flushed from time to time |
| 03:47.05 | Shouryuu | I *vaguely* remember of a someone who had downed nefarion I think, before the server reset, and when he tried to link the loot after the reset, he got d/c, because the guy who actualy had the loot, hadn't been on after the reset |
| 03:50.18 | zespri | in this case logicaly one who *looks* on an item will be d/c'ed because the one who is linking has in in the client cache, only one who is looking doesn't |
| 03:50.23 | zespri | but never mind |
| 03:52.53 | Kolth | zespri, I once heard that item cache gets re-set on server re-sets |
| 03:53.46 | zespri | server item cache or client item cache. Server item cache - for sure. But I'm not so sure about client's |
| 03:54.41 | Kolth | You can't call an item link that's in your cache if the server doesn' thave it. |
| 03:59.14 | Shouryuu | what is exactly a "cache"? Memory space? |
| 04:03.43 | zespri | cache in general, or cahce for the purpose of this discussion? |
| 04:04.00 | Shouryuu | in general |
| 04:04.42 | zespri | yeah, it's basicaly something that keeps temporary informations to easy stress on an expensive resource |
| 04:04.49 | Shouryuu | ok |
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| 04:39.00 | MentalPower | GetItemInfo will return nil of the item is not in the client's ItemCache file. this is the only way to know if an item is linksafe |
| 04:41.17 | MentalPower | the client's ItemCache gets cleared on server reset. tuesday morning all the items in lootlink will show up as not seen but if you have seen items on friday and you restart your game those same items will still be marked as seen |
| 04:41.35 | MentalPower | anyways, goodnight |
| 04:52.37 | Corrodias | damn these freelancer people |
| 04:54.12 | Corrodias | as much as i want to think i'd like the multiplayer, i just don't think i will ever get into it. :) there's practically nothing to it but pvp combat, which isn't really my thing. then the big servers require you to register just to view their forums, and one even requires that you register before you can even see the rules. *eyeroll* |
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| 05:16.48 | Tem | Cide, you around? |
| 05:16.57 | Tem | >< |
| 05:20.53 | Kolth | Celandro, sir? |
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| 05:52.33 | futr | ozone depletion? I thought they caused global warming. |
| 05:55.49 | Corrodias | i wonder why civ4 plays its own audio so poorly |
| 05:56.12 | Corrodias | the opening song sounds WAY better when played in any mp3 player, even mIRC, than when played in the game itself |
| 05:56.39 | Corrodias | as if it's downsampling it, below 128kbps |
| 06:17.23 | futrtrubl | is it posible for UIParent:GetLeft() to return something other than 0? |
| 06:18.01 | kremonte | why? |
| 06:18.05 | kremonte | it's the 0th pixel on the left |
| 06:19.28 | futrtrubl | looking to optomize code, wondering if I have to do if (myframe:GetLeft() < UIParent:GetLeft()) or if I can get away with (myframe:GetLeft() < 0) |
| 06:19.51 | kremonte | i don't think lua interprets 0 as nil |
| 06:20.05 | futrtrubl | I know, not dealing with nils |
| 06:20.33 | kremonte | oh i understand |
| 06:20.42 | kremonte | well, i'm not sure how things like CT_ViewPort work |
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| 06:20.59 | futrtrubl | I think it only plays with WorldFrame |
| 06:21.07 | kremonte | then all is well if you just use 0 |
| 06:21.09 | kremonte | :-) |
| 06:22.14 | kremonte | i need to interpret yatlas' code >< |
| 06:22.28 | kremonte | it can hard-crash the client |
| 06:22.31 | futrtrubl | "interpret" how? |
| 06:22.40 | kremonte | i need to understand what it does when that happens |
| 06:22.45 | futrtrubl | ah |
| 06:23.00 | kremonte | if you attempt to load a map file with a different world ID (by playing with the values in the table) it crashes when you try to move |
| 06:23.06 | kremonte | (move the map, even) |
| 06:23.20 | futrtrubl | sounds fun |
| 06:31.27 | futrtrubl | g'night |
| 06:31.31 | kremonte | night |
| 06:31.38 | kremonte | btw |
| 06:31.43 | kremonte | tell the people of the future i said hi |
| 06:31.43 | futr-sleep | ? |
| 06:31.48 | futr-sleep | ;'] |
| 06:31.49 | kremonte | : - ) |
| 06:31.53 | kremonte | you're sleeping in the future! |
| 06:31.56 | kremonte | kk, night |
| 06:32.13 | futr-sleep | I will indeed be sleeping in the future |
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| 06:44.14 | Tem | anyone here know the CT_RA message format? |
| 06:44.20 | Tem | like will it ignore anything without a prefix? |
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| 07:16.40 | Wobster | Anyone know of what ports to use with WoW? |
| 07:16.49 | Wobster | I keep getting disconnected upon login |
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| 08:10.30 | id` | ~today |
| 08:10.35 | purl | well, today is Tuesday |
| 08:10.43 | id` | and it SUCKS |
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| 08:10.56 | id` | ren |
| 08:11.49 | zeeg | cuz of vday? |
| 08:11.59 | zeeg | just treat it like a normal tuesday |
| 08:12.01 | zeeg | :P |
| 08:12.05 | id` | Today sucks, because it's the day I get rubbed in that I'm not a happy pandaren at least 100 times. |
| 08:12.17 | zeeg | :s |
| 08:12.25 | zeeg | if it makes you feel better, ive been single every vday :p |
| 08:12.37 | id` | a little |
| 08:12.46 | zeeg | haha |
| 08:12.50 | id` | :< |
| 08:13.13 | id` | but still, its been like 2 years since i had that specialsome1 |
| 08:13.28 | zeeg | :S |
| 08:13.38 | zeeg | im closing in on 5 months and the last one was a waste :P |
| 08:13.53 | id` | 2 years man, im 18 what do you think that does to me |
| 08:13.58 | id` | >_< |
| 08:14.06 | id` | anyway |
| 08:14.15 | id` | lets go be a drone |
| 08:14.22 | id` | *work work work code code code* |
| 08:14.35 | zeeg | :s |
| 08:14.38 | zeeg | haha |
| 08:14.40 | zeeg | it works |
| 08:15.16 | id` | not like i get paid or anything |
| 08:15.24 | id` | i get 450 euros a month |
| 08:15.37 | zeeg | :| |
| 08:15.51 | id` | thats like 'hey here's your money to go buy candy' |
| 08:16.03 | id` | so |
| 08:16.05 | id` | thats what i do |
| 08:16.15 | id` | :P |
| 08:16.28 | id` | no really im goin to snowboard for a second week this year |
| 08:16.34 | id` | :P |
| 08:16.39 | id` | yay ^^ |
| 08:16.41 | krka|work | you're 18 stop whining :P |
| 08:16.48 | id` | pff |
| 08:17.06 | id` | wich is so great because? |
| 08:18.37 | Wobin_ | Nah, I'm sad cause I can't connect at all |
| 08:19.26 | zeeg | i got a hot date this weekend, so its all good for me :P |
| 08:20.00 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:21.18 | Wobin_ | muttermutter |
| 08:21.23 | zeeg | relationships are more trouble than they're worth most of the time |
| 08:21.57 | Wobin_ | Connect, damn your eyes =( |
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| 08:40.56 | zeeg | so uhh |
| 08:41.02 | zeeg | can anyone verify this item is fake, just to make sure.. |
| 08:41.03 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/items/ritssyns-ring-of-choas-id21836/ |
| 08:41.10 | zeeg | im assuming, since chaos is spelled wrong but.. |
| 08:42.24 | zeeg | nvm seems legit |
| 08:47.45 | zespri|log | is there any difference if I put link to alua file to toc or to xml? |
| 08:50.22 | id` | no |
| 08:50.55 | id` | sometimes you dont even have to use XML :-) |
| 08:51.01 | id` | (with ace, for example :p) |
| 08:54.33 | zespri|log | thank you |
| 09:06.18 | Tain | You don't ever have to use the xml. It used to be that you had to load the lua file from xml. |
| 09:06.45 | id` | oh, ok |
| 09:07.12 | Tain | Now that you can load it from the toc you can do either, most people put it in the toc so you can see everything that loads at once. |
| 09:07.15 | id` | hey Tain, tried my addons? :P |
| 09:07.53 | Tain | I've barely done anything in wow for the last week or so. heh.. but I did download them! |
| 09:08.02 | id` | \o/ |
| 09:08.10 | id` | I need more suggestions and whatever |
| 09:08.11 | id` | :P |
| 09:09.36 | Tain | Needs more cowbell! |
| 09:24.21 | id` | moo? |
| 09:25.49 | Tain | It annoys me when I go to bed and can't sleep because of an idea that won't leave my head and I have to get up because I know if I don't I'll just lay there all night. |
| 09:26.17 | id` | type it all out |
| 09:26.18 | id` | then go to bed |
| 09:31.15 | Tain | Funny thing is it was a pretty small thing, just something I'd think about and then forget about later. So each time I'd remember again I'd be slightly annoyed that I kept forgetting. |
| 09:37.09 | Tain | Oh. wow. Ok, that was about 100x simpler than I was making it out to be in my head. |
| 09:37.31 | Tain | I just wanted to add something to tinypad so that you could execute a tinypad page with a slash command, like you can with luaslinger. |
| 09:38.22 | Tain | So /tinypad 3 executes what's on page 3. Slap that in a macro and you can execute however much lua you want at will in the game. Super macros. |
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| 09:56.18 | id` | :) |
| 09:57.15 | id` | all i use it for is to set up my visor |
| 09:57.27 | id` | http://kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Code/Lua/WOW/DataInspector |
| 09:57.34 | id` | what you find when browsing wikis .. |
| 09:57.35 | id` | :p |
| 09:59.00 | id` | i was looking for ker |
| 09:59.09 | id` | 's vim editor setup tho |
| 09:59.11 | id` | :( |
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| 10:24.02 | zeeg | grr i want david.com |
| 10:24.15 | zeeg | hell even zeeg.com is taken |
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| 10:34.33 | wereHamster | good morning.. |
| 10:34.55 | id` | lo |
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| 10:42.25 | Shouryuu | oh servers are down right? |
| 10:42.40 | Shouryuu | what day are we? |
| 10:42.58 | Shouryuu | the notion of time kinda fluctuate when you're on holidays |
| 10:45.21 | Shouryuu | we must be tuesday |
| 10:46.39 | wereHamster | it's a shame that there is no /date slash-command |
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| 14:13.32 | wereHamster | It's quiet here... |
| 14:18.16 | Cairenn|sleep | morning all |
| 14:18.37 | Wobin_ | We're all in the stunned non-action of maintenance =P |
| 14:18.51 | Kalroth | I'm drinking coffee! |
| 14:18.56 | weab | i am gripping a coffee mug as well. |
| 14:19.00 | weab | religiously |
| 14:19.03 | Kalroth | it's 3:20pm at work and I'm still trying to wake up |
| 14:19.19 | Wobin_ | Cause I refuse to drink instant coffee |
| 14:19.39 | Cairenn|sleep | it *appears* that the Test servers may be going live for 1.10, as clicking on the button on the patcher actually takes you to the log in screen, even though servers are down for maintenance |
| 14:20.05 | Cairenn|sleep | usually if the test server isn't up, you can't even get that far |
| 14:20.12 | weab | excellent. |
| 14:20.14 | Kalroth | Cairenn is sleep logging in on test server! |
| 14:20.40 | Cairenn|sleep | and the "patch" today is another mini one |
| 14:20.41 | AnduinLothar | well they aren't going live today, I can tell you that |
| 14:20.48 | Cairenn|sleep | we're now up to 1.9.4 |
| 14:20.50 | AnduinLothar | patch today is 1.9.4 |
| 14:21.17 | Kalroth | any notes? |
| 14:21.19 | Cairenn|sleep | I said test server Karl, not that 1.10 is out for live :p |
| 14:21.25 | AnduinLothar | 1.10 isn't even ready for test realm tatus yet... |
| 14:21.27 | Cairenn|sleep | Kalroth: yeah, 2 sec |
| 14:22.00 | Cairenn|sleep | General |
| 14:22.00 | Cairenn|sleep | - A new Guild Recruitment channel has been added. This channel will be |
| 14:22.00 | Cairenn|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.01 | Cairenn|sleep | - Fixed a bug that could cause players to appear to be porting around |
| 14:22.01 | Cairenn|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.01 | Cairenn|sleep | Mac |
| 14:22.03 | Cairenn|sleep | - Addresses a timing accuracy issue on Intel-Mac systems that affected |
| 14:22.05 | Cairenn|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.07 | Cairenn|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.44 | AnduinLothar | If they're pushing 1.10 test servers they've lost their mind... Cause I was playing on a recent build tonight and it's not rdy... |
| 14:23.05 | Kalroth | I wonder how many notes they left out :p |
| 14:23.15 | Wobin_ | oh man, I'd so log in, just to play around with the dynamic framing =P |
| 14:23.35 | Cairenn | and, Happy Valentine's Day, all |
| 14:23.39 | Kalroth | :D |
| 14:23.49 | Kalroth | lots of <3's to everyone! |
| 14:23.52 | Wobin_ | Of course, that is if I -could- log in even to the normal servers =( |
| 14:24.25 | AnduinLothar | MobileFrames spits errors on 1.10... should fix those I spose... to bad I can't legally test here at home.. |
| 14:26.58 | AnduinLothar | So as first impressions go I think everyone to whom I mentioned Cosmos too groaned... fantastic reputation we have... |
| 14:27.37 | Kalroth | Well Cosmos got a [bad] reputation for being overkill |
| 14:27.55 | AnduinLothar | whatever that means |
| 14:27.59 | Kalroth | Because people are too stupid to go uncheck the addons they don't use |
| 14:28.10 | Codayus | I think the cosmos updater thingie turned a lot of people off too. |
| 14:28.11 | Kalroth | overkill meaning 3545746 addons |
| 14:28.33 | Kalroth | Dunno, it's the only real reason I use Cosmos, I love the updating :) |
| 14:28.57 | Wobin_ | I think people prefer to start off with what they need and add to it, rather than downloading the lot and unadding what they don't need |
| 14:29.07 | AnduinLothar | Better than the competition... and if thott's stupid server's would update I'd release v3.0 of the patcher |
| 14:29.10 | Codayus | Convincing it to not delete non-cosmos addons wasn't too hard, but it was something most people leant to do AFTER it nuked an addon or three. Also more of a hassle than most people wanted to go to... |
| 14:29.10 | weab | cosmos has been pretty ass since late beta |
| 14:29.45 | Kalroth | Yeah, kinda silly it nukes everything it doesn't know imo :) |
| 14:29.59 | AnduinLothar | only if you enable it.. |
| 14:30.07 | Kalroth | it's enabled by default, no? |
| 14:30.09 | AnduinLothar | nno |
| 14:30.13 | AnduinLothar | no* |
| 14:30.30 | Kalroth | hrm, pretty sure it was when I installed the first time, but I'm getting old :) |
| 14:30.49 | AnduinLothar | it's been disable by default since like february.. |
| 14:30.57 | weab | this is feb |
| 14:30.58 | AnduinLothar | last year |
| 14:31.02 | Kalroth | ah :p |
| 14:31.36 | Codayus | A lot of people who dislike cosmos may well have formed their impressions before then. :-) |
| 14:32.07 | AnduinLothar | that tends to be the case... we should just rename things every 6 months to avoid reputation |
| 14:32.26 | weab | or just rename it and work up a good reputation |
| 14:32.31 | weab | that'd work too |
| 14:32.43 | AnduinLothar | it's impossible to get a good rep. |
| 14:32.48 | weab | nonsense |
| 14:33.01 | Kalroth | to be honest I only use a few addons from the Cosmos package .. SCT, the fishing thingy (rarely) and uhmm, some few UI enhancements |
| 14:33.03 | AnduinLothar | more user == less rep |
| 14:33.09 | Kalroth | Is CooldownCount in Cosmos? |
| 14:33.12 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 14:33.18 | Kalroth | That one too :-) |
| 14:33.33 | Kalroth | Apart from that I use TitanPanel, CTRA and Gatherer |
| 14:33.56 | Wobin_ | Just call it something new and say it's a "reworked" Cosmos =P |
| 14:34.10 | Kalroth | Rename it to Kozmoz! |
| 14:34.16 | AnduinLothar | it's simple math... the more users you have, the more people complain. and since complaints are remembered longer than praise eventually your rep always tanks |
| 14:34.29 | Wobin_ | And throw in all sorts of russian references |
| 14:34.48 | weab | last time i tried to use cosmos, and granted this was a long long time ago, it would break every single patch. not only itself, but it would screw up tons of other addons too |
| 14:34.53 | Wobin_ | That depends on what there is to complain about |
| 14:35.03 | weab | was bloated with tons of things i didnt want or use and couldnt easily remove or turn them off |
| 14:35.23 | weab | now to be fair, i'm fairly sure i'm not the target audience |
| 14:35.31 | AnduinLothar | you can more easily disable them than any other compilation! |
| 14:35.32 | Kalroth | Well things such as SkyParty, SkyChat, SkyWhatever got disabled pretty fast too :) |
| 14:35.33 | weab | but if you're asking, that's why i groan :P |
| 14:35.39 | Wobin_ | I'm much more of a specific need == specific addon type... |
| 14:35.57 | Cairenn | A lot of Cosmos's (negative) reputation (and by a lot, I mean 99.9999999%) is undeserved. There are some mistakes that were made in the past that contributed to them, some dating as far back as CB. There were some decisions made / procedures implemented that are less than stellar in the viewpoint of a large percentage of the *modding* (not end user) community, that they really would be better to get rid of |
| 14:36.01 | Codayus | I dunno - I suspect that CTRA has a fair number of users, and it has a pretty good reputation. |
| 14:36.15 | Wobin_ | CTRA isn't fantastic, either |
| 14:36.29 | Kalroth | It isn't? :) |
| 14:36.32 | Wobin_ | it has some bloat issues as well |
| 14:36.32 | weab | ctra has a great rep |
| 14:36.45 | Wobin_ | But it's used by so many, people download it anyway |
| 14:36.49 | Kalroth | Apart from the issue with patch 1.9 it's always worked very well for me |
| 14:36.52 | Wobin_ | (cause their guild requires it) |
| 14:37.04 | Kalroth | Dunno about bloat, I don't notice a difference with or without it in raids |
| 14:37.20 | weab | there is one |
| 14:37.28 | Kalroth | in terms of performance :) |
| 14:37.37 | AnduinLothar | ctra is popular for the same reason dvd's are popular. It got to the market before the competition. |
| 14:37.50 | Wobin_ | Hehe Someone write CtraBetaMAx |
| 14:37.52 | weab | so did cosmos |
| 14:37.55 | weab | burn! |
| 14:38.03 | AnduinLothar | and Cosmos WAS popular |
| 14:38.13 | weab | yes, you're absolutely right |
| 14:38.44 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: CTRA is also popular because it works and does what people (raiders) want :) |
| 14:39.05 | Wobin_ | The reason why CTRA is so widely used, is that if it's to be effective, everyone in the raid should use it, so themajority ruled that everyone in the raids should download it |
| 14:39.21 | Wobin_ | Mostly cause at the time there weren't any alternatives that matched up |
| 14:39.23 | AnduinLothar | ok but for the same reason Cosmos popularity dwindalled ctra's will dwindle as well |
| 14:39.29 | weab | i haven't really found any compelling reasons to try to replace it |
| 14:39.32 | Wobin_ | (of course, I don't know if there are any at the moment...) |
| 14:39.42 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: There aren't any alternatives to CTRA, so not really |
| 14:39.46 | AnduinLothar | more alternative, readily availibly... competition |
| 14:39.48 | Wobin_ | There needs to be competition for it to dwindle =) |
| 14:40.01 | wereHamster | I'm working on an alternative to CTRA :) |
| 14:40.05 | Kalroth | There's plenty of UI packages out there, Cosmos just isn't a "cool kid" anymore, it gotta be nurfed or discordia :p |
| 14:40.09 | AnduinLothar | there are 3 or 4 growing ctra competitive addons in the works |
| 14:40.14 | Kalroth | (note: I don't use nurfed or discordia) |
| 14:40.39 | weab | if i remember right nurfed is sorta what tanked cosmos |
| 14:40.44 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: Well they'd have to come up with some extraordinairy features for people to remove CTRA |
| 14:40.53 | AnduinLothar | not too hard to do |
| 14:40.58 | wereHamster | But it's hard to write an alternative, each class has different requirements.. I see that , me being tank an my broher a priest |
| 14:40.59 | Kalroth | Apparently it is ;) |
| 14:41.09 | AnduinLothar | no. it's not. it just requires time |
| 14:42.03 | weab | anyway, don't get me wrong. in the closed beta days of autosell or whatever it was called |
| 14:42.07 | weab | i swore by cosmos |
| 14:42.12 | AnduinLothar | I have 3 addons in my todo list that would eclipse ctra and even be almost reverse compatible... just don't have time to finish them |
| 14:42.20 | weab | it was much <3 |
| 14:42.25 | weab | but then i got more picky |
| 14:42.42 | Kalroth | well I'm a illoyal bastard user, I use whatever works :P |
| 14:42.42 | weab | and more and more addons and alternatives emerged, and i moved on |
| 14:43.32 | AnduinLothar | right. people decided that instead of helping improve they would write their own and compete |
| 14:43.53 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: It's a free world :) |
| 14:44.13 | Wobin_ | People have different coding standards =P |
| 14:44.31 | Kalroth | if all open source developers would work on one operating system instead of 10+ then Microsoft would be dead today. Instead we got a lot of alternatives. |
| 14:44.39 | Kalroth | Dunno if that's a bad thing in my book |
| 14:44.41 | Wobin_ | Cosmos never seemed to me to be an open source project |
| 14:44.53 | Wobin_ | But then again, I came from it from a user perspective |
| 14:45.06 | krka|work | it's not always possible to improve others code |
| 14:45.24 | krka|work | the others may not even agree that it's an improvement |
| 14:45.33 | Kalroth | krka, nor is it rarely possible just to dive in and code :) |
| 14:45.40 | Wobin_ | People are also more comfortable with their own coding practices |
| 14:45.49 | krka|work | but more often than you might think |
| 14:46.11 | AnduinLothar | anyway... I'm just complaining because I feel like i'm working at microsoft or something.. |
| 14:46.15 | Wobin_ | it's easier, if the project is huge, to often conceptualise and develop your own solution |
| 14:46.18 | krka|work | doesn't take a long reading to find where you want to modify code |
| 14:46.21 | Kalroth | We've been up to 8 coders on the same object(s) here at work, it gets really bad at times :) |
| 14:46.53 | Kalroth | "Oi fucker, that syntax sucks, put your {'s on the next line, not on the same line as 'if'!" |
| 14:47.01 | Wobin_ | If the project wasn't well defined at the beginning, it's always easier to come up with your own interpretation than try and understand what other people were thinking overall |
| 14:47.01 | Kalroth | (to pick a simple thing :) |
| 14:47.41 | Kalroth | a project is never well defined, doesn't matter if it's an open project or professional paid for project :) |
| 14:47.56 | AnduinLothar | I want to be proud of what I spend my time doing. I'm proud of what I'm doing, but I can't say the name because of the stigma attached... |
| 14:48.10 | Wobin_ | Yeah, but there's a difference between a well modularised project and a time by time congolomerate of "stuff" |
| 14:48.41 | wereHamster | I wrote my addon because I thought other addons were fundamentaly broken, and it's hard to 'fix' an addon that is big and complex and without any comments in the sourcecode |
| 14:49.14 | Kalroth | Personally I'd prefer a better addon packaging system, that way it'd only be the downloader/updater/installer that differs in the various packages |
| 14:49.38 | Wobin_ | If the modules or areas in the project are well defined, it's easy for an outsider to jump in and understand how things work at a modular level |
| 14:50.04 | Wobin_ | and the holistic understanding will come in time |
| 14:51.30 | wereHamster | I also think having several small addons, each doing only a small part of the work is better than one big addon.. |
| 14:51.38 | Kalroth | FancyWoWAddon.wpm, a zip file with a description, version number, addon name, requirements, etc inside |
| 14:51.48 | Kalroth | like a debian or red hat package |
| 14:52.08 | AnduinLothar | just read the toc |
| 14:52.15 | krka|work | should be possible to actually use debian or redhat packages |
| 14:52.32 | AnduinLothar | We're gonna make v4.0 of cosmos read the toc and have dependancy trees |
| 14:52.40 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: well does it say which version of an external addon your addon requires? |
| 14:53.34 | AnduinLothar | no, but wow can't tell the difference, you usually have to do it with in game code anyway |
| 14:54.13 | AnduinLothar | if it requires an addon just have it downlaod the latest version |
| 14:54.23 | Kalroth | yeah, but it would be nice to catch that before you login and/or spend 30 mins in a 400+ queue, only to find out that SupportAddon is outdated |
| 14:54.42 | AnduinLothar | that's up to the addon usign the lib |
| 14:54.55 | AnduinLothar | libs tend to have version #'s |
| 14:55.25 | AnduinLothar | usually global variables that addons can check |
| 14:55.26 | Kalroth | yes I'm aware of that, what I would like is a standard way of checking that number :) |
| 14:56.04 | AnduinLothar | right. I would agree a version# in the toc that could be grabbed with a lua command would be useful |
| 14:56.42 | AnduinLothar | it's just not the only way to do it |
| 14:57.00 | Kalroth | hence why I mentioned debian packages as an example |
| 14:57.17 | AnduinLothar | and standards are relatively useless unless you have a large body backing them |
| 14:57.50 | weab | like say, w3. thank you microsoft for ie's wonderful support of the standards |
| 14:57.56 | AnduinLothar | heck, we can't even get a standard addon updater... |
| 14:58.21 | Kalroth | well there's only two ways to start a standard .. either you enforce them or you make them really useful, so developers pick them up over time |
| 14:58.32 | Kalroth | And since we're not Blizzard, we can't enforce anything ;) |
| 14:59.43 | AnduinLothar | heh, my boss told me he didn't want to see me using Cosmos because it had data miners that could upload unreleased content... |
| 15:00.00 | Kalroth | hahahaha |
| 15:00.02 | AnduinLothar | I kinda chuckled to myself... noob |
| 15:00.11 | Kalroth | Tell him that he's a suit :P |
| 15:00.36 | AnduinLothar | so i didn't install Cosmos, I installed 'some addons' |
| 15:00.38 | Codayus | AnduinLothar: Okay, now that is amusing. :-) |
| 15:01.26 | AnduinLothar | I'm like... i freaking wrote the spec... I know what it does.. |
| 15:03.20 | AnduinLothar | so can't live without ChatScroll |
| 15:03.54 | AnduinLothar | ...can't....scroll...with the... mouse wheel.... must.... install.... CHatScroll.... |
| 15:04.07 | AnduinLothar | *twitch twitch* |
| 15:04.46 | AnduinLothar | They'll hate me when I start doing raids with ActionQueue |
| 15:04.58 | Kalroth | lol |
| 15:05.22 | Wobin_ | I hate having a mousewheel that just spins and does nothing =P |
| 15:05.47 | Codayus | Having the mousewheel not work to scroll chat frames is one of the more...interesting UI decisions Bliz made. |
| 15:05.47 | AnduinLothar | I wont put it in Cosmos can't it's cheap and frowned upon.. but that doesn't stop me from using it.. |
| 15:06.15 | Codayus | I can see simplyfing the UI, yeah, but...that one just confuses me. |
| 15:07.38 | AnduinLothar | I should sneak ChatScroll into the main build server files that everyone copies from in QA... |
| 15:08.03 | AnduinLothar | meh, doubt I have write permision.. |
| 15:09.15 | id` | use idChat use idChat |
| 15:09.17 | id` | :p |
| 15:09.51 | AnduinLothar | make everyone think it's a builtin function and then deprive them of it... wait for them all to report it missign as a bug |
| 15:10.04 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:10.45 | AnduinLothar | meh, we actually fit the ChatScroll addon into a single macro |
| 15:10.58 | id` | oh just the scrolling? |
| 15:11.06 | id` | chatscroll does lots more |
| 15:11.10 | id` | idchat does even more |
| 15:11.15 | id` | still at 10kb tho :> |
| 15:11.24 | id` | without configurability at 3-4 kb |
| 15:11.46 | AnduinLothar | no... the ace version does lots more... the orig version which was MINE which was written FIRST using that name is just from scrolling |
| 15:11.48 | futr-sleep | qho needs configurability? |
| 15:11.59 | AnduinLothar | for* |
| 15:12.04 | id` | futr-sleep: users asked for it |
| 15:12.25 | futr-sleep | bah. users! |
| 15:12.25 | id` | AnduinLothar: blame Turan |
| 15:12.30 | AnduinLothar | I do |
| 15:12.37 | id` | who gives |
| 15:12.38 | id` | :p |
| 15:12.40 | Wobin_ | Hey Anduin, what sort of stuff do you test? |
| 15:13.42 | AnduinLothar | cheeky bastard Turan thought he was better than everyone and that he should re-code his own lib instead of improving upon or collaborating with his contemporaries. |
| 15:13.58 | Wobin_ | And we love him for it =P |
| 15:14.02 | id` | \o/ |
| 15:14.04 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.06 | id` | / \ |
| 15:14.11 | id` | ^^ |
| 15:14.11 | Tain | Some would argue that he was right. ;) |
| 15:14.29 | id` | AnduinLothar: 43 addons at 16MB ram usage. beat that. |
| 15:14.35 | id` | AnduinLothar: they all do stuff, no fillers |
| 15:14.50 | Tain | Of course I wouldn' tknow, I came in to the addon community much after any of that. |
| 15:14.57 | AnduinLothar | you do. I still think he's an ass. He's smart and motivated and educated, but he's got more pride than any CT combined. |
| 15:15.19 | Tain | Ass, smart, motivated, educated... |
| 15:15.25 | Wobin_ | Doesn't make what he did any less valid, though |
| 15:15.39 | Tain | You just described half the people who frequent this channel. |
| 15:15.57 | Shouryuu | i'm not like that |
| 15:16.02 | AnduinLothar | and i hate you all... |
| 15:16.28 | AnduinLothar | cept for shou, cause he huggles me |
| 15:16.31 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:16.38 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 15:16.39 | Shouryuu | I feel warm and fuzzy inside |
| 15:16.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kevinoid (n=kevin@cpe-24-58-2-166.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 15:16.47 | id` | Shouryuu: poopoo time |
| 15:16.48 | Wobin_ | There are creams for that =) |
| 15:16.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:16.54 | Tain | And although I know everyone loves to hang on to their baseless conclusions, I actually don't know Turan at all. |
| 15:16.56 | id` | xD |
| 15:17.02 | Wobin_ | Nor I =) |
| 15:17.06 | id` | same |
| 15:17.21 | Wobin_ | I appreciate what he's done with Ace, however |
| 15:17.32 | AnduinLothar | I had a few conversations with him, we don't agree on very much and don't communicate very well at all |
| 15:17.35 | id` | my point at the ram usage thing wasnt about they all being ace addons, but rather how they were made. |
| 15:18.05 | AnduinLothar | ace just got support of the ram nazi's for some reason |
| 15:18.16 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:18.21 | id` | well if cosmos would there'd be no UI |
| 15:18.24 | id` | atm |
| 15:18.26 | id` | xD |
| 15:18.26 | AnduinLothar | ace itself eats ram like no other with all it's ... and unpacks |
| 15:18.27 | Tain | hehe ok, Anduin woke up mister cranky pants today. |
| 15:18.53 | id` | dont make me dig into sea or earth |
| 15:18.55 | id` | :P |
| 15:19.04 | id` | (cause i havent ever) |
| 15:19.08 | AnduinLothar | i didn't write either |
| 15:19.08 | Wobin_ | Wouldn't that make Mud? |
| 15:19.17 | id` | lol Wobin_ |
| 15:19.37 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:20.07 | AnduinLothar | SeaHooks has some performance issues compared to AceHooks, but it's 10x more configurable.... hell it can tell you what addons are breaking your hooks if you ask it nicely |
| 15:20.21 | id` | didn't write it |
| 15:20.21 | id` | :D |
| 15:20.22 | Tain | Oooh |
| 15:20.29 | id` | okok sorry im pushing it |
| 15:20.30 | Tain | That's what this is all about. |
| 15:20.30 | id` | :> |
| 15:21.17 | futrtrubl | sorry to ask this again, but is there a way to make a getlocal() func |
| 15:21.45 | AnduinLothar | basicly the ace people wanted minimalization, slash commands and small footprints and cosmos people wanted intuitive, easy to use and highly configurable |
| 15:21.45 | id` | global is always in the same space, local isnt so whats the use? |
| 15:21.47 | wereHamster | meybe using getfenv(0) and look in the table |
| 15:21.51 | Tain | You mean get the value but make sure its a local? |
| 15:22.20 | id` | AnduinLothar: There's one more difference |
| 15:22.27 | AnduinLothar | you got what you wanted and it's a niche market. |
| 15:22.35 | Tain | hehehe |
| 15:22.40 | AnduinLothar | it's all yours, take it |
| 15:22.43 | Tain | You say that like it's a bad thing. |
| 15:22.44 | id` | cosmos is an all for everything packed in an exe while ace is a base for.. whatever you want |
| 15:22.59 | id` | that makes me use ace instead of cosmos |
| 15:23.00 | id` | tbh |
| 15:23.11 | AnduinLothar | right, ace is 10x harder to install |
| 15:23.11 | futrtrubl | say I have a file local foo = 24; I want to be able to do var1 = getlocal("foo") |
| 15:23.25 | Tain | I've not talked to a developer who uses Ace who is worried about global domination. |
| 15:23.27 | id` | AnduinLothar: but it allows me to have what i want and not what you want |
| 15:23.34 | AnduinLothar | so does cosmos |
| 15:23.43 | Shouryuu | yeah but honestly, seeing the 1000000 "how do I install UI" threads we see daily on the forums , we can't complain about cosmos being .exe |
| 15:23.45 | id` | it came with 20 or whatever addons |
| 15:24.00 | id` | well we all know what i tihnk about users |
| 15:24.04 | id` | :p |
| 15:24.05 | Maldivia | futrtrubl: would probably be easier to do: local env; env.foo = "bar"; var1 = env["foo"] |
| 15:24.06 | Tain | AnduinLothar I know you're venting and ranting about, well whatever, but if you're going to bring up how difficult it is to install an addon directory? That's really silly. |
| 15:24.06 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:24.09 | AnduinLothar | you are a user |
| 15:24.24 | Shouryuu | and we are making UIs for users as well :p |
| 15:24.25 | id` | one that knows how to do things because i am comfortable with software |
| 15:24.25 | AnduinLothar | it's not silly |
| 15:24.31 | Tain | Yeah, it is silly. |
| 15:24.32 | wereHamster | futrtrubl, try getfenv()["foo"] |
| 15:24.34 | AnduinLothar | it's a very valid point |
| 15:24.35 | id` | not an 'ooo what does this button do' person |
| 15:24.43 | Tain | It's silly because of the hundreds of Addons that work the same way. |
| 15:24.46 | Tain | Thousands? Not sure. |
| 15:24.59 | futrtrubl | Maldivia; was trying to avoid that ;']. wereHamster, I'll try that |
| 15:25.02 | Tain | You want to complain that every single addon in the wrld other than Cosmos is difficult to instal? |
| 15:25.10 | AnduinLothar | and thousands of people who had to look up how to install them |
| 15:25.17 | AnduinLothar | and hundreds that still ask |
| 15:25.28 | Wobin_ | Well, yes, but they only have to learn once =) |
| 15:25.50 | AnduinLothar | yet you will ALWAYS be answering that quesion |
| 15:26.00 | Wobin_ | That's what a FAQ is for |
| 15:26.10 | Shouryuu | and it's been written |
| 15:26.15 | AnduinLothar | people only read faqs after they cant figure it out |
| 15:26.25 | Shouryuu | and after we've told them too |
| 15:26.27 | AnduinLothar | and then they need to be able to FIND the faq |
| 15:26.30 | id` | i'm a user |
| 15:26.32 | id` | one that knows how to do things because i am comfortable with software |
| 15:26.34 | id` | not an 'ooo what does this button do' person |
| 15:26.49 | Wobin_ | So put the FAQ up on the front page |
| 15:26.49 | id` | no-one that's like the latter should use addons |
| 15:26.52 | id` | its that simple |
| 15:26.58 | id` | or not complain |
| 15:27.01 | id` | and learn |
| 15:27.02 | Tain | Alright. I know you're more intelligent than that and you obviously have some other issue going on so I'll be a decent person and let it go. |
| 15:27.07 | id` | the end. no discussion possible |
| 15:27.18 | Wobin_ | Rocks fall, everybody dies =P |
| 15:27.21 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:27.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@rhhe10-109.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 15:27.42 | id` | Osagasu: :-O |
| 15:27.47 | id` | ther he is! |
| 15:27.50 | id` | all hide! shh! |
| 15:28.45 | id` | hiding from Osagasu |
| 15:28.54 | Wobin_ | Wuh? |
| 15:28.56 | Wobin_ | Oh. |
| 15:29.09 | Wobin_ | Psst. Id. Why are we hiding? |
| 15:30.05 | id` | ^__________^ |
| 15:30.08 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos Installer: Downloads and installs with a single button, prompts you which package you want, prompts you with what addons you want, automaticly updates those addons when you open the app, has links to the forums, and the faq... I don't have to explain anything. "I say go get the patcher." That's 5 less conversations. |
| 15:30.34 | id` | and 5 times dumber isers because they know nothing |
| 15:30.37 | AnduinLothar | I say: "Go get the patcher." * |
| 15:30.37 | id` | users |
| 15:30.39 | weab | anduin simply has a different target audience |
| 15:30.44 | weab | idiots |
| 15:30.44 | Wobin_ | That's very true |
| 15:30.48 | weab | :P |
| 15:31.03 | id` | weab: well who wants stupid users |
| 15:31.04 | wereHamster | the blizzard UI is fairly complete, everything any causal player needs, and those high-end players really should know how things work (includes game mechanics, installing addons etc.) |
| 15:31.12 | Shouryuu | agreed there |
| 15:31.28 | weab | well its nice for someone to make addons for them |
| 15:31.30 | AnduinLothar | shoudl != do... and how are they gonna learn? |
| 15:31.41 | Shouryuu | the dungeons are tested with it... |
| 15:31.53 | Wobin_ | I mean, out of the 43 million downloads of addons from Curse alone, that kinda shows that users -can- learn how to unzip a addon correctly |
| 15:31.56 | id` | AnduinLothar: by not asking stupid questions and knowing how forums FAQ's and THE INTERNET works |
| 15:32.10 | id` | AnduinLothar: i learnt too |
| 15:32.21 | futrtrubl | teh intarweb id`, get it right |
| 15:32.25 | id` | sry |
| 15:32.30 | id` | teh intarweb* |
| 15:32.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:32.41 | futrtrubl | better |
| 15:32.47 | id` | *woof* |
| 15:32.55 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 15:33.15 | AnduinLothar | You're right. We have different audiences and different goals |
| 15:33.41 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:33.45 | weab | yes. the conversation/arguement/whatever is fairly pointless |
| 15:33.59 | Shouryuu | life is but a dream anyways, so who cares |
| 15:34.06 | Shouryuu | let's all jump out a window |
| 15:34.08 | AnduinLothar | My Goal is to have software so easy to use that I don't need to answer any questions, because I'm horrible at dealing with people... |
| 15:34.21 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:34.31 | AnduinLothar | So I'm compensating with something I'm good at |
| 15:34.42 | AnduinLothar | thinking like an idiot |
| 15:34.45 | Osagasu | It won't happen. |
| 15:34.48 | id` | I just dont answer stupid questions and make them poke at it and learn |
| 15:34.56 | id` | thats how i learnt |
| 15:35.02 | id` | my dads a netadmin for 20 years |
| 15:35.05 | id` | yet he didnt help me |
| 15:35.10 | id` | i learnt myself when i was 10 |
| 15:35.11 | Osagasu | Even if you have a button that said in big bold letters "PRESS HERE", people will ask you what to do. |
| 15:35.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:35.42 | id` | my sis who doesnt care about pc's still asks for relly nooby questions |
| 15:36.04 | id` | thats ok because she doesnt care |
| 15:36.15 | id` | but she shouldnt try to use C++ |
| 15:36.17 | Shouryuu | some people just don't care about PC and use them |
| 15:36.18 | id` | get the idea? |
| 15:36.40 | id` | anyway im off for some more work |
| 15:36.48 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:37.31 | AnduinLothar | every day it gets easier for idiots to use complicated machinery. Computers used to require operators to tend to them and for interfacing with the public.. |
| 15:37.53 | Wobin_ | The problem with that? |
| 15:37.59 | AnduinLothar | I am just furthering that reality |
| 15:38.02 | Wobin_ | Mother Nature designs better idiots. |
| 15:38.20 | Wobin_ | You should be aiming more for the natural selection method =) |
| 15:38.52 | AnduinLothar | natural selection no longer directly aplies to humans. we tend out sick |
| 15:39.02 | AnduinLothar | our* |
| 15:39.21 | futrtrubl | anyone know the reason for the extended maint tomorow? |
| 15:39.27 | AnduinLothar | patch |
| 15:39.28 | Wobin_ | Well, if you give people no reason to learn, they won't |
| 15:39.33 | wereHamster | Wobin_, but Bush is still president.. kinda doesn't work.. |
| 15:39.36 | futrtrubl | 1.10? |
| 15:39.39 | Wobin_ | Simply because humans are lazy at heart |
| 15:39.40 | AnduinLothar | 1.9.4 |
| 15:39.41 | weab | no |
| 15:39.42 | Wobin_ | 1.9.4 |
| 15:39.42 | wereHamster | this natural selection.. |
| 15:39.56 | Wobin_ | it's natural selection, but regressive |
| 15:39.58 | futrtrubl | ahhh, didn't think 1.10 would be ready this quick ;'] |
| 15:40.19 | AnduinLothar | i'd rather put my faith in the dilbert principle |
| 15:40.27 | Wobin_ | The idiots will die out? |
| 15:40.39 | AnduinLothar | nope, the idots are promoted |
| 15:40.53 | weab | build a shrine to your idiots! |
| 15:41.19 | AnduinLothar | You will keep being promotted untill you reach a tier at which you are no longer good at what you are doing |
| 15:41.20 | weab | stoop to their idiocy and you too might transcend! |
| 15:42.04 | weab | k that's enough of me spouting nonsense for this week. back to lurking quietly |
| 15:42.19 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, so you say idiots are good at something? |
| 15:42.26 | AnduinLothar | if you are good at something you are rewarded by being removed from that work and made to work on something 'higher level' which innevitable requires a different skill set |
| 15:43.18 | AnduinLothar | therefore you will no longer be good at it. and if you DO develop and display compitency than you will be promoted again |
| 15:43.41 | weab | actually that's flawed. promotions aren't based on your skill at the job alone. they're based on an assortment of things: leadership skills, responsibility, attitude, etc |
| 15:43.45 | AnduinLothar | until you are no longer doing something you enjoy or are good at |
| 15:44.22 | AnduinLothar | right. it's just dilbert priciple = sarcasm + murphy's law |
| 15:44.31 | id` | < AnduinLothar> I am just furthering that reality |
| 15:44.39 | id` | theres nitwits using over 60MB of ram for their ui |
| 15:44.42 | id` | thats not progress |
| 15:44.53 | AnduinLothar | sure it is |
| 15:45.06 | id` | to buy better hardware sure |
| 15:45.06 | AnduinLothar | progress ove rnot using addons |
| 15:45.11 | id` | sigh |
| 15:45.21 | AnduinLothar | progrees promoting better hardware! |
| 15:45.34 | Wobin_ | That's not an 'improvement' then =P |
| 15:46.01 | id` | You really can't see why using less system resources as opposed to using humoungous amounts with an embedded language in some game is better? |
| 15:46.17 | AnduinLothar | there are two types of hardware people. those that upgrade because they want the latests and greatest and those that upgrade when their software requires it or their computer's 15 years old |
| 15:46.35 | id` | 1GB of ram is enough |
| 15:46.42 | AnduinLothar | for what? |
| 15:46.46 | id` | xp+wow |
| 15:46.51 | id` | yet if i start wow 20MB is left |
| 15:46.57 | id` | no other progs running |
| 15:47.02 | AnduinLothar | who runjust xp and wow? |
| 15:47.07 | id` | not going into this discussion |
| 15:47.18 | AnduinLothar | i like a little music.. some aim... some irc... |
| 15:47.35 | AnduinLothar | not enough for me |
| 15:47.53 | AnduinLothar | i have 1.5gb and my machines 4 years old.. |
| 15:48.06 | id` | well i have a laptop and the upgrade cost me 120 bucks |
| 15:48.09 | id` | doesnt matter |
| 15:48.12 | id` | isnt my point either |
| 15:48.17 | id` | You really can't see why using less system resources as opposed to using humoungous amounts with an embedded language in some game is better? |
| 15:48.24 | id` | you cant deny this |
| 15:48.35 | AnduinLothar | sure it is. but it's not a direct comparison |
| 15:48.45 | AnduinLothar | they didn't JUST optimize them |
| 15:49.19 | id` | 16MB < 60MB |
| 15:49.21 | id` | how unclear is that |
| 15:49.43 | id` | people made spell checkes ingame for gods sake |
| 15:49.43 | futrtrubl | but does the 60meg do more? |
| 15:49.51 | id` | checkers* |
| 15:49.55 | AnduinLothar | lol... your Addon Collection != My Addon Collection |
| 15:50.11 | AnduinLothar | and personally I think mine is better, of course |
| 15:50.18 | Wobin_ | Faster loading times for one |
| 15:50.31 | Wobin_ | And no, futrtrubl, not necessarily |
| 15:50.33 | Wobin_ | That's id's point |
| 15:50.36 | futrtrubl | I have over 100megs being used by the UI, I have no problem with that |
| 15:50.46 | id` | im going to stop caring now |
| 15:50.51 | AnduinLothar | whether it uses more ram or not is not really my concern. I have plenty of ram. my concern would be more with execution time |
| 15:51.14 | AnduinLothar | ram was made to make execution faster |
| 15:51.35 | futrtrubl | I'm with AnduinLothar, the only isue I have with mem usage is if it slows me down |
| 15:51.42 | Wobin_ | Which it will |
| 15:51.42 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, if execution time involves load-time then the amount of memory the addon uses is important |
| 15:51.53 | futrtrubl | only if it has to page |
| 15:52.02 | AnduinLothar | only reason your hd isn't ram is because it's inhibitively expensive atm |
| 15:52.25 | Wobin_ | Also in that it's somewhat volatile =P |
| 15:52.30 | wereHamster | s/involves/includes/ |
| 15:52.37 | id` | i'd like to compare our UI's some time and see what the one does and the other doesnt |
| 15:52.49 | Tain | The only reason that your HD isn't AM is because your harddrive is too slow to be. |
| 15:53.03 | id` | i bet we're not that close apart AnduinLothar |
| 15:53.06 | AnduinLothar | I guerentee you id that mine does more |
| 15:53.10 | id` | sure |
| 15:53.12 | id` | but not much |
| 15:53.14 | Wobin_ | (far apart, id) |
| 15:53.33 | id` | Wobin_: i have 43 addons, you coudlnt tell :-) |
| 15:53.38 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you use to compare |
| 15:53.45 | id` | AnduinLothar: yes i know |
| 15:53.56 | Wobin_ | (yeah, but "not that far apart" =) not close =)) |
| 15:53.56 | id` | anyway, work time |
| 15:54.10 | AnduinLothar | I use 100 addons on average. 80 when I need more fps cause of my slow machine. |
| 15:54.41 | AnduinLothar | and I have no problem using 60megs with 100 addons |
| 15:54.56 | AnduinLothar | esp when half a dozen collect massive data tables |
| 15:55.03 | AnduinLothar | that make my life easier |
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| 15:57.29 | AnduinLothar | And it I wanted effeciency I'd disable ActionQueue... most inefficient addon ever |
| 15:57.55 | AnduinLothar | couple buff scans every time you click |
| 15:58.45 | AnduinLothar | Hell, I can visibly see the screen freeze momentarily every time it triggers BuffBot |
| 15:59.53 | AnduinLothar | but it doesn't matter because that freeze just did all the logic for me and can buff for me and decurse automaticly... I can be as much an idiot as I want |
| 15:59.56 | Tain | Thankfully that's why people have the choice to customize their gaming experience how they like. |
| 16:00.13 | Maldivia | hmm... Guild Recruitment channel in todays patch... |
| 16:00.29 | Tain | Someone who likes screen freezes can have their screen freezes. Someone who doesn't, doesn't have to. |
| 16:00.34 | AnduinLothar | right.. some people want it to be smooth and movie like... more power to um |
| 16:01.04 | AnduinLothar | i dont want the freeze, but the trade off is fair |
| 16:01.21 | AnduinLothar | i dont like the loading time but i'll suffer it for 100 addons |
| 16:01.32 | AnduinLothar | sometimes i even feel differently |
| 16:01.42 | AnduinLothar | and play with 10 addons |
| 16:01.53 | AnduinLothar | doesn't happen very often tho |
| 16:02.43 | AnduinLothar | why look... 2 hours gone that i need to use for sleeping |
| 16:02.49 | AnduinLothar | needed* |
| 16:03.00 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.39 | AnduinLothar | Thanks for riding Anduin Airlines. We hope you enjoyed the ride. Please wat for the seatbelt sign to go off before exiting through the terminal. Enjoy your day. |
| 16:06.14 | MentalPower | lol |
| 16:08.50 | id` | It only proves my point; that you disagree on the fact that with a game in an embedded language less ram usage is better. With that observed and this said i won't want to say anything more about it. If that's how you feel about addons, i know i wouldn't want to work at blizzard. |
| 16:09.04 | id` | *goes home* |
| 16:10.06 | AnduinLothar | how the hell does that have to do with blizzard. are you inferring that i speak for them? |
| 16:10.50 | AnduinLothar | I'm not a CM or a Programmer at blizzard, what I say has zero weight in the company. |
| 16:12.06 | AnduinLothar | if you don't agree with me then fine. but I don't think blizzard has said anythign at all on the sumbject |
| 16:13.24 | Shouryuu | blizzard work for AnduinLothar? |
| 16:13.24 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 16:13.24 | Shouryuu | he must a powerfull man |
| 16:13.27 | Shouryuu | s/powerfull/powerul |
| 16:13.32 | Shouryuu | dang |
| 16:13.35 | Shouryuu | failed |
| 16:13.40 | Ktron | forgot the trailing /... yeah, I do that all the time |
| 16:13.49 | Ktron | AnduinLothar; what are you having Blizzard do for you this week? |
| 16:13.59 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:14.05 | AnduinLothar | I'm writing up a hit list atm |
| 16:14.17 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: on the other hand, good it didn't worked, since you would have replaced a typo with a typo :) |
| 16:14.39 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:14.53 | Shouryuu | but two wrongs make a right, right? |
| 16:14.57 | AnduinLothar | Have them kill everyone who doesn't agree with my on a holy crusade. |
| 16:15.08 | Ktron | I think being able to do something like s(Maldivia)/word/neword/ and fix each others typos would be slick too |
| 16:15.13 | Wobin_ | no no, three lefts make a right |
| 16:15.51 | Maldivia | and four left is nothing ? |
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| 16:16.10 | Wobin_ | only if you define turning a full revolution nothing =) |
| 16:16.19 | Violentnight | Anyone have a screenshot of weapon tooltip handy? |
| 16:16.24 | AnduinLothar | if you define turnign as 90 degrees |
| 16:16.32 | Wobin_ | up up down down, left right left right... |
| 16:16.34 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 16:16.42 | Violentnight | A, B, select, start |
| 16:16.45 | Shouryuu | if turning is just the act of not going straight then.. |
| 16:16.52 | Wobin_ | woohoo 30 lives =P |
| 16:16.57 | Ktron | and right^4 I'd assume would make a straight... so actually, to set things straights, you need to do 8 wrongs |
| 16:17.02 | Violentnight | only 30? what a jip! |
| 16:17.11 | Wobin_ | hrm, I could have sworn it was B, A, B, A |
| 16:17.16 | Wobin_ | or maybe B A |
| 16:17.24 | AnduinLothar | A B B A |
| 16:17.32 | Ktron | s/straights/straight/ |
| 16:17.46 | Ktron | straight doesn't look write... what am I doing wrong... |
| 16:17.51 | Wobin_ | B J O R N AGAIN |
| 16:18.03 | AnduinLothar | staight isn't write |
| 16:18.04 | Violentnight | meh.. I'm 75% sure.... it has been almost 20 years since I played those old NES games |
| 16:18.09 | Shouryuu | you've left something unlooked at |
| 16:18.46 | Tain | Depedns on the code. |
| 16:18.49 | Tain | There were many. |
| 16:18.57 | AnduinLothar | whee coding marathons |
| 16:19.07 | Tain | But the classic Contra 30 life one was, U U D D L R L R B A B A |
| 16:19.07 | Shouryuu | boooo coding marathons |
| 16:19.09 | AnduinLothar | if only i didn';t have hw and a midterm |
| 16:19.21 | Wobin_ | Ta Tain =) |
| 16:19.23 | Tain | With a variation at the end if you had 1 or 2 players between select and start. |
| 16:19.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:19.31 | Wobin_ | I'm glad my memory isn't quite that faulty =) |
| 16:19.32 | Shouryuu | geeks... |
| 16:19.35 | Tain | I have it on a tshirt. |
| 16:19.40 | Shouryuu | hahha |
| 16:19.42 | Violentnight | AnduinLothar: just be stupid like me and put 'em off to the last possible second ^_^ |
| 16:19.43 | Tain | With the caption, "Even God knows it." |
| 16:20.00 | AnduinLothar | I was thinking street fighter.. or was it mortal combat.. |
| 16:20.02 | Maldivia | iddqd |
| 16:20.08 | Shouryuu | haha that's hilarious |
| 16:20.09 | Tain | Arguably the best tshirt I ever bought. |
| 16:20.12 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 16:20.47 | Tain | Well, at least until I order the, "Does this tshirt make my crotch look big?" shirt. |
| 16:20.59 | Violentnight | oh oh oh.. does anyone know that site where you can design your own WoW item? |
| 16:21.19 | Wobin_ | Look on the WoW LJ community page |
| 16:21.48 | Tain | I started to say, "There's a WoW LJ community?" until I realized what an absurd question that was. |
| 16:21.54 | Tain | Of course there's a WoW LJ community. |
| 16:22.06 | Violentnight | oh.. yes.. of course |
| 16:22.07 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 16:22.14 | AnduinLothar | mysace too prolly |
| 16:22.23 | Tain | There's probably a WoW meetup community, and a WoW flikr community, and a WoW myspace community... |
| 16:22.43 | AnduinLothar | they prolly play wow in hell too |
| 16:22.54 | Tain | I thought that's where the R&D dept was. :) |
| 16:22.58 | Shouryuu | hha |
| 16:23.02 | Violentnight | There's an LJ user named wow |
| 16:23.35 | Violentnight | I don't see any WoW thingy-ma-bobbers coming up |
| 16:23.44 | Tain | Oh actually there was a LJ by "god" at some point. Not sure if that was the actual lj name, but it was a journal by.. well.. God. |
| 16:24.10 | Tain | There was one entry that made me laugh really hard, and it still makes me chuckle. |
| 16:24.25 | Tain | Although I was told it was stolen from somewhere else, I never had seen it. |
| 16:24.37 | Tain | "Today I made a rock so big I couldn't move it. So I moved the universe around it. I win." |
| 16:24.51 | Violentnight | WOWGIRLS ILLUSTRATED MAGAZINE "Second Edition |
| 16:25.03 | Violentnight | lol Tain |
| 16:25.07 | Ktron | lol |
| 16:25.08 | Ktron | that's awesome |
| 16:25.26 | Tain | haha damnit it still makes me laugh. |
| 16:25.31 | Shouryuu | was that Kant's proof that god didn't exist? |
| 16:25.34 | Wobin_ | wow.blupp.net |
| 16:25.49 | Violentnight | wow I'm stupid.. a google search just brought it right up--my sleep deprivation is obviously starting to takes its toll |
| 16:25.58 | Tain | Your google-fu is weak! |
| 16:26.10 | Violentnight | lol |
| 16:28.47 | Violentnight | well I've found my answer so I'm back to work... later 'bodies |
| 16:33.01 | Shouryuu | rarw out |
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| 16:52.56 | elema | hy guys |
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| 16:53.20 | Elkano | good (whatever) :) |
| 16:53.35 | wereHamster | hi |
| 16:54.23 | elema | can I replace a full table with aanother one ? |
| 16:54.29 | elema | like: |
| 16:54.54 | elema | mytable={}; mytable.a=2, mytable.b=6 |
| 16:55.03 | elema | mytable = mytable2 |
| 16:55.07 | Elkano | cross-faction inspect is disabled wit 1.9+, isn't it? So GetInventoryItemLink("target", ...) would result in NIL if an enemy player is targetd, wouldn't it? |
| 16:55.35 | elema | then mytable2.a=2 and mytable2.b=6 |
| 16:55.40 | Wobin_ | elema: yes. |
| 16:55.43 | elema | good |
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| 17:01.33 | Maldivia | elema: doing mytable = mytable2, would make both variables point to the same table, meaning if you change in one of the them, it's changed in the other aswell |
| 17:11.14 | AnduinLothar | ug.. I'm like looking through my addon list... i know i did that osme tiem in the past 6 months.. but which addon was it in.. |
| 17:11.35 | AnduinLothar | speaking of item ref find code |
| 17:12.06 | Maldivia | grep for it |
| 17:12.16 | AnduinLothar | find is faster |
| 17:13.02 | AnduinLothar | ah right... wardrobe |
| 17:13.19 | elema | its a function that will move table2's data to table3 and table1's data to table2 |
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| 17:15.00 | Maldivia | elema: and you're referencing those tables other places, so you simply can't swap the references ? |
| 17:23.07 | elema | how do I do it in your way ? |
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| 17:24.10 | Maldivia | table3 = table2; table2 = table1; |
| 17:24.41 | elema | so I did now too |
| 17:25.55 | Maldivia | tables are always passed by reference, also when asssigning variables etc |
| 17:31.39 | Tain | Damnit that reminds me, I keep trying to find a really good windows grep. I actually have one that I like a lot, but it's shareware and I don't want to pay for it. |
| 17:31.54 | futr-away | if you don't want the tables to update each other you can use something like http://wow.pastebin.com/554567 |
| 17:32.07 | wereHamster | Tain, if it's good, why not pay for it? |
| 17:32.09 | Tain | And I am the type of person who doesn't use software that he doesn't pay for. Well. Sort of. I mean I should say I don't use software that I *could* pay for. |
| 17:32.22 | Maldivia | Tain: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:32.26 | Tain | I mean, I would never pay for a personal copy of Photoshop. |
| 17:32.52 | Tain | Yeah Maldivia, I actually want an explorer integrated one for certain things. |
| 17:33.09 | Maldivia | ohh... eww :) |
| 17:33.17 | Tain | wereHamster: Honestly it is worth paying for, for me. I just don't have the money right now. :) |
| 17:33.41 | Tain | I do already have a Windows native compiled command line grep, of course. :) |
| 17:35.03 | Tain | I just find that with addon development on Windows doing a grep that turns up results in a window for me to click on and jump directly to that line number in the file works out well. Especially when I can have that list of results there to go back and forth. |
| 17:37.14 | Wobin_ | EditPlus is fairly good with that |
| 17:37.24 | futr-away | EditPlus has that built in |
| 17:37.32 | futr-away | great minds.... |
| 17:37.39 | Wobin_ | granted, it's not perfect with the regexp, but it has the search directory/subdir click to move etc |
| 17:37.59 | Maldivia | well, for editing on Windows, I usually use UltraEdit, has a nice regex file search feature |
| 17:38.15 | Wobin_ | I like EP cause it's... not as bloaty as UE used to be |
| 17:38.27 | futr-away | agreed Wobin_ |
| 17:38.29 | Wobin_ | (I'm not sure if UE has improved itself since I last checked) |
| 17:38.32 | Tain | Yeah, but I don't use EditPlus so that doesn't help. |
| 17:38.43 | Tain | UE is better than it used to be, I used it until just a couple of months ago. |
| 17:39.09 | Wobin_ | What are you using now? |
| 17:39.13 | Maldivia | Wobin_: don't know if it has, I've just used it for such a long time |
| 17:39.27 | Tain | SciTE |
| 17:40.21 | Wobin_ | hrm, looks interesting |
| 17:40.56 | Tain | I really like SciTE a lot. I used EditPlus for a while, UE for a while, and after using SciTE I like it so much. |
| 17:41.28 | Tain | Toss a couple others in there too. ConTEXT, ahh.. some other one. heh |
| 17:41.33 | Tain | PrimalScript |
| 17:41.47 | Maldivia | doens't SciTE have a find in files search function ? |
| 17:43.53 | Legorol^ | SciTe is best |
| 17:43.58 | Legorol^ | yes SciTe has find in files |
| 17:44.05 | Legorol^ | where you can click the result to jump to that line in that file |
| 17:44.16 | Legorol^ | also, SciTe is free |
| 17:44.16 | Tain | Yes, but I use a different editor for XML |
| 17:44.22 | Legorol^ | same here |
| 17:44.38 | Legorol^ | UE and EP are not free, afaik |
| 17:44.44 | Wobin_ | EP is kinda |
| 17:44.48 | Legorol^ | correct me if i'm wrong and i can try it :-) |
| 17:44.49 | elema | whats wronf with this : BattlegroundCommunicatorEnemyFrameInfoText.."_"line.."_"..Name:SetText(name); |
| 17:44.53 | Wobin_ | in that there's a nag screen but no lack of functionality |
| 17:44.54 | elema | line is s var |
| 17:44.59 | futr-away | I also use XMLSpy for xml stuff |
| 17:45.00 | Legorol^ | elema: typo |
| 17:45.01 | elema | name is a var |
| 17:45.08 | elema | wrong |
| 17:45.10 | Maldivia | elema:_ .. in front of line |
| 17:45.11 | Legorol^ | you are missing a .. between the first "_" and line |
| 17:45.21 | Tain | UE isn't free, but work bought me one. |
| 17:45.34 | Legorol^ | XMLSpy for XML is great, with one problem: |
| 17:45.40 | Legorol^ | free version doesn't allow collapsing :( |
| 17:45.51 | Legorol^ | so sometimes when i want to see the overall structure i just open the file in SciTe |
| 17:46.07 | Legorol^ | oth, validating versus UI.xsd is very nice in XMLSpy |
| 17:46.17 | Tain | Yep it is. |
| 17:46.21 | Maldivia | elema: are you trying to getglobal("BattleGrou.(blah"):SetText(name)? |
| 17:46.43 | elema | no |
| 17:47.03 | Legorol^ | Wobin_: that doesn't make EP free, that just means you get away with using it |
| 17:47.06 | Maldivia | well, the .. Name:SetText(name) doesn't make any sense |
| 17:47.21 | Wobin_ | Well yes, but I believe that UE stops |
| 17:47.23 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: i beleive elema said that Name is a variable |
| 17:47.28 | Tain | This is actually the one I like best for Windows that I've found, at least the one that gives me information in the the format I like best. |
| 17:47.33 | elema | the whole coda: http://pastebin.com/554591 |
| 17:47.33 | Wobin_ | Which means there's a difference in usage between the two |
| 17:47.38 | Tain | http://www.wingrep.com |
| 17:47.42 | Legorol^ | Wobin_: I have a tyrannical sysadmin, so I can only use legit software |
| 17:47.47 | Maldivia | Legorol^: yes, but Name:SetText(text) would return nil, and then you would concvat with nil - not a good idea :) |
| 17:47.54 | Legorol^ | a software that has 30-day trial period that has expired is not legit |
| 17:47.55 | Wobin_ | Legorol^: Notepad FTW =) |
| 17:48.03 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: good point |
| 17:48.07 | Legorol^ | Wobin_: good point too |
| 17:48.12 | Legorol^ | SciTe > Notepad though |
| 17:48.45 | Elkano | elema, try the change I've made to it |
| 17:48.52 | wereHamster | elema, getglobal("BattlegroundCommunicatorEnemyFrameInfoText_"..line.."_Name:")SetText(name); |
| 17:48.53 | Tain | I really like the way that wingrep lists the files that it found results in at the top. and you can click on a file to see the results in that file, and then click on one of those to open the file at that line. |
| 17:49.07 | Maldivia | wereHamster: the : is at the wrong place |
| 17:49.19 | wereHamster | Maldivia, yeah, sry |
| 17:49.30 | Legorol^ | Tain: do you have linkie to wingrep? |
| 17:49.35 | Legorol^ | or isgooglemybestfriend? |
| 17:49.55 | Legorol^ | i guess it is |
| 17:50.05 | Wobin_ | [01:47:38] <Tain> http://www.wingrep.com |
| 17:50.30 | Tain | Yes I have a link and linked it not 10 lines up. |
| 17:50.47 | elema | thanks to maldivia and wereHamster |
| 17:50.51 | Tain | Ok maybe 12 lines. |
| 17:51.18 | Wobin_ | But you were right... it was 'not 10 lines' =) |
| 17:52.11 | Tain | I wouldn't actually be so concerned about it if I weren't so egotistical and insistant that everything I say is very important and should be read by all. |
| 17:52.39 | Maldivia | Tain: don't worry... we don't take you serious anyway :) |
| 17:52.50 | Tain | Whew, at least I'm not the only one. |
| 17:53.58 | Legorol^ | wingrep not free :( |
| 17:54.12 | Legorol^ | it looks damn nice.. |
| 17:54.29 | Tain | That's what I've been saying. |
| 17:54.33 | Wobin_ | That's what Tain was asking for earlier =) |
| 17:54.56 | Tain | I haven't been able to find anything else yet that is free that's even "close enough" after using it for a while. |
| 17:55.12 | Tain | Of course it still lets you use it unrestricted even unregistered. |
| 17:55.49 | Tain | Just a single nag screen when you exit which puts focus on the "Cancel" button anyway so a single space-bar hit or <enter> skips it. |
| 17:56.00 | Tain | But, I'm going to register when I have a spare $30. |
| 17:56.22 | Tain | "Will work for grep." |
| 17:56.27 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 17:56.58 | Tain | "Will grep for food." sound funny. |
| 17:57.08 | Legorol^ | speaking of programs with time-limits, |
| 17:57.12 | Tain | But I'd give a bum a dollar if he had a sign like that. |
| 17:57.22 | Legorol^ | i had a nasty one where no matter what i did, i couldn't reset the timer.. |
| 17:57.48 | Legorol^ | so i went investigating how it knows.. and found that, among 3 other things, it has placed an entry in the desktop.ini file in the user's My Documents folder |
| 17:57.52 | Legorol^ | that is one nasty trick |
| 17:58.38 | elema | whats wrong with this : local classTexture = getglobal("BattlegroundCommunicatorEnemyFrameClassTexture.."_"..line");? |
| 17:58.58 | Legorol^ | I detest programs that can't be cleanly uninstalled, because I know that I will stop using something after 30 days if it has a 30 day limit. |
| 17:59.17 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 17:59.45 | Tain | It's better than it used to be at least where some programs like that would actually write info to specific harddrive sectors, bypassing the filesystem. |
| 17:59.56 | Legorol^ | elema, that doesn't look right |
| 18:00.21 | Legorol^ | can you give me an example of a complete name of a BattlegroundCommunicatorEnemyFrameClassTexture? |
| 18:00.28 | Wobin_ | one too many '"'s |
| 18:00.28 | wereHamster | elema, ... Texture.."_"..line); |
| 18:00.31 | Wobin_ | at the end |
| 18:00.37 | Legorol^ | Wobin_: no, the " are in the right number |
| 18:00.45 | elema | "BattlegroundCommunicatorEnemyFrameClassTexture_1 |
| 18:00.47 | Legorol^ | it is what's inside/outside the quotes that's wrong |
| 18:00.50 | Legorol^ | elema: ok, i see |
| 18:00.56 | elema | whis is line 1's texture |
| 18:01.09 | Legorol^ | elema: ("BattlegroundCommunicatorEnemyFrameClassTexture_"..line) |
| 18:01.36 | Wobin_ | hehe yeah that =) |
| 18:01.40 | elema | ahh |
| 18:02.00 | Ktron | Cairenn|afk; ah well, she's afk, anyone else know whether wowi has a RSS news feed? |
| 18:02.08 | Wobin_ | I believe so? |
| 18:02.12 | Legorol^ | Tain: better and worse, Sony rootkit? |
| 18:02.45 | Legorol^ | although windows stops you from directly accessing the HD, it provides you mechanisms for hiding stuff ;-) |
| 18:03.41 | wereHamster | Ktron, get firefox.. it shows the RSS feeds in the URL bar |
| 18:03.42 | Wobin_ | http://www.wowinterface.com/customfeed.php |
| 18:04.04 | Ktron | wereHamster; I have firefox |
| 18:04.06 | Legorol^ | Back in the DOS days I once wrote security software that hides the hard disk (drive C:) if you boot from a floppy. C: is only visible if you boot from the hard disk |
| 18:04.38 | Legorol^ | the tricky part was: if the user is booting from floppy, my software doesn't get a chance to run.. so how to prevent the user accessing C: |
| 18:04.48 | wereHamster | Ktron, I have firefox 1.5 and it shows the small icon at the very right end of the URL bar.. there are 4 RSS feeds.. |
| 18:04.52 | Tain | According to 'sources' wowi does have rss news feeds. |
| 18:05.41 | Ktron | wereHamster; I know, I know, I just don't look for RSS often so I didn't think of the icon, don't belittle me... And I'm not sure any of them are really news feeds |
| 18:05.51 | Wobin_ | The little LiveBookmark icon |
| 18:06.03 | Ktron | I guess the news one is okay |
| 18:06.04 | Ktron | aight |
| 18:06.05 | Ktron | thanks |
| 18:07.52 | Wobin_ | also http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=rss&match=all&titlesonly=0 for forum feed |
| 18:25.06 | Osagasu | a new guild recruitment channel? finally, no more Guilf LFG channel spam |
| 18:25.24 | Tain | Yeah, if people would use it. |
| 18:25.43 | Osagasu | Its on by default, so they'd better use it. |
| 18:25.52 | Osagasu | No excuse that you didn't know about it |
| 18:25.55 | Tain | The fact that there's both a trade channel and auction houses doesn't stop people spamming everything else. |
| 18:26.09 | Wobin_ | That's cause they're common |
| 18:26.23 | Tain | Shout, ooc, local, general, all full of wts/wtb spam. |
| 18:26.57 | Tain | It makes my head want to explode to see someone standing at the auctioneer trying to sell things in local chat. |
| 18:27.09 | Osagasu | I don't have a problem with WT* spam in cities. And there isn't one outside of them, so its a little better |
| 18:27.59 | Tain | But why do you have any reason to believe people will use the guild recruitment channel then? |
| 18:28.10 | Tain | I'll admit, I have zero expectation of it being used. |
| 18:28.17 | Osagasu | I misworded |
| 18:28.35 | Osagasu | On my server there isn't much local or /1 spam for WW* stuff |
| 18:30.16 | Elkano | worst WTS spam is via worlddef I think :/ |
| 18:30.24 | Osagasu | The only problem is people using /2 as /1 and the LFG as guild recruitment |
| 18:30.56 | Osagasu | Now, I'm off back to school for my second test of the day. |
| 18:31.10 | Tain | Could be, I disable worlddef as soon as I enter the world with a new character. |
| 18:31.21 | Tain | It was so bad I couldn't handle it and have never looked back. |
| 18:31.39 | Elkano | tain, it's off by default :) |
| 18:36.31 | Tain | oh.. mmm localdefense then? |
| 18:36.43 | Tain | towndefense? something like that? |
| 18:36.59 | Tain | Oh who am I kidding, I just /leave 1 ; /leave 2 ; /leave 4. |
| 18:37.05 | Tain | Or if it's 3 instead of 2, I forget. |
| 18:41.36 | MentalPower | 1 is general, 2 is trade, 3 is LFG 4 is localdef |
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| 18:48.41 | Cairenn|afk | WoWI RSS feeds: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2757 |
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| 19:20.44 | Maldivia | this irc-network has some weird wallops... |
| 19:20.57 | wereHamster | Hi Cide... |
| 19:23.02 | Cide | hi |
| 19:23.10 | Gryphen | heya |
| 19:23.17 | Tain | "A seventh-grade student in New Tampa, FL, compared the water in fast food restaurants' toilets to the water used in their drinks-ice and concluded that the ice was higher in bacteria than the toilets. 12-year-old Jasmine Roberts won her school science fair for her research and hopes to win the county prize this week." |
| 19:23.44 | Kolth | eek |
| 19:23.59 | Kolth | How am I supposed to feel about that? |
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| 19:25.25 | Maldivia | Tain: that's why I always order milkshake... :) |
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| 19:36.55 | Tain | My name is, shake-zula, the old schoola, the mic rula |
| 19:39.07 | krka | wtf do seventh-grade students know about scientific methods? |
| 19:39.21 | krka | and an american at that??? |
| 19:39.30 | Tain | The bacteria don't lie. |
| 19:39.33 | krka | also, she was a girl! |
| 19:40.21 | krka | just saying that the method of investigation and/or analysis may have been flawed :P |
| 19:41.29 | Cairenn | krka: the fact she is female has what to do with this, hmmmm? |
| 19:41.52 | krka | eep! didn't know you were here! |
| 19:42.07 | krka | of course that doesn't matter *wink wink at other guys in room* |
| 19:42.11 | Cairenn | I'm always here, you should know better than that |
| 19:42.14 | Shadowd | Kolth: she siad something like 30 minutes ago! |
| 19:42.17 | Shadowd | s/siad/said/ |
| 19:42.23 | krka | i wasn't here 30 minutes ago |
| 19:42.26 | krka | just got home |
| 19:44.55 | Cairenn | krka: so you are saying that because someone is female, they thus can not be good scientists? I'm sure I can come up with a name or two that might disabuse you of that notion :p |
| 19:46.19 | Cairenn | (and no, I'm not actually upset :p ) |
| 19:50.56 | krka | well, my point was only that you should take research from 12 year olds with a grain of salt |
| 19:51.17 | krka | actually, never take any research result as truths, read the papers |
| 19:51.36 | Cairenn | krka: ;) |
| 19:51.55 | Maldivia | hmm... http://frank05.critter.net/wowentines.jpg |
| 19:52.07 | krka | the girl part was only to tease you :) |
| 19:52.36 | Codayus | I saw a peer reviewed study published in a major ujournal that said half of all peer reviewed studies published in major journlas was wrong. :-) |
| 19:52.41 | krka | those are cute! |
| 19:52.59 | krka | heh, ever seen the paper generator? |
| 19:53.02 | Codayus | (or something like that. I'm on a train and can't track down a cite at the moment.) |
| 19:53.17 | krka | that got accepted into some journal and a conference i think |
| 19:53.34 | krka | http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ |
| 19:53.38 | Codayus | Meh, that wasn't too bad. |
| 19:53.53 | Cairenn | krka: I know it was ;) |
| 19:53.57 | Codayus | The conference didn't read the papers it accepted for that portion...so... |
| 19:54.40 | Codayus | The spoofed pomo/physics paper that got accepted by the pomo journal was much more amusing. |
| 19:55.26 | krka | stop looking like r and n |
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| 19:56.31 | Cairenn | Happy Valentine's Day! |
| 19:57.18 | Iriel | Thanks 8-) And the same to you! |
| 19:57.47 | Iriel | Though generally we shun today as a commercial orgy and do something about a week later 8-) |
| 19:57.57 | Codayus | hmm, vaalentines day? Do the servers still have the valentines stuff going? |
| 19:58.06 | Shadowd | yeha |
| 19:58.08 | Shadowd | yeah* |
| 19:58.13 | Maldivia | yes... unfortunatly... |
| 19:58.14 | Codayus | (I haven't logged on since before maintance.) |
| 19:58.22 | Shadowd | Until tomorrow |
| 19:58.38 | Codayus | Hmm, then that gives me another chance to NOT get a truesilver arrow. Yay! :-P |
| 19:59.19 | Shadowd | It probably has like a 0.00001% drop rate |
| 19:59.53 | Codayus | What I'd really like is to kill some bosses so they could not drop that bouquet of roses. But I don't have the time, so I just talk to guards so they can not give me the arrow. :-P |
| 20:00.27 | Codayus | (Not to criticize bliz...but the lunar festivel had much better rewards from my pov.) |
| 20:00.45 | Shadowd | I now have like 40 Friendship bracelets though! |
| 20:00.46 | Codayus | OTOH, hey - gotta love holidays. Maybe next years will be better. |
| 20:01.06 | krka | i just had a nice dinner with my gf, am i still a valentines-sucker? |
| 20:01.10 | Shadowd | Halloween was fun |
| 20:01.12 | krka | didn't buy any dead plants! |
| 20:01.42 | Codayus | I <3 mistletoe buffs. |
| 20:02.04 | Shadowd | The chocolates are nice too, would be even better if they didn't expire |
| 20:02.23 | Codayus | Yeah, the expirery dates on everything is kind of a pain. |
| 20:02.31 | Codayus | Plus, no chocaltes for healbot priests. |
| 20:02.45 | Shadowd | Theres a +44 healing one :p |
| 20:02.57 | Codayus | From valentines? |
| 20:03.02 | Shadowd | Yeah |
| 20:03.20 | Codayus | I've probably got....40 of every chocalate, and I don't have any +healing. Uh...weird. |
| 20:03.22 | krka | yeah, the chocolates are great |
| 20:03.29 | Shadowd | http://thottbot.com/?i=52999 |
| 20:03.31 | krka | except they look so tasty i start drooling |
| 20:03.41 | Codayus | Maybe I'll double check. |
| 20:03.56 | Shadowd | yeah you should check again, i've gotten 1-3 of each in each box |
| 20:04.07 | Codayus | . |
| 20:06.00 | Codayus | I've got a few +defense, a *LOT* of +hit, and a bunch of +damage. No +healing that I've seen, but after a few boxes I stopped paying as much attention. |
| 20:06.13 | Shadowd | hehe |
| 20:06.26 | Shadowd | At least it looks like the chocolates are /played time not real time |
| 20:06.52 | Codayus | ? |
| 20:07.18 | Shadowd | Wern't some of the items from the other holidays real time and not your /played time? |
| 20:07.38 | Codayus | Oh, right. |
| 20:09.36 | krka | uhmm... 10 days played is a HUGE amount of time then |
| 20:09.49 | krka | took me 5 days to get to 40 |
| 20:10.23 | Shadowd | yeah, all of the items are 10 days /played it looks like not real time |
| 20:12.18 | Shadowd | 5 days to get to 40 isn't that bad |
| 20:19.55 | krka | probably about average |
| 20:39.53 | futr-away | any valentines recipies to learn? |
| 20:40.52 | Tain | heh I just found out that I have more /played time on 2 level 1 characters (together) than someone I was just talking to has on their level 40. It's all addon testing time. |
| 20:43.13 | Cairenn | Tain: hehehe, I can relate, although not lately |
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| 20:49.24 | Maldivia | Tain: hehe, yeah - I have the same thing... |
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| 21:07.08 | AnduinLothar | sweetness |
| 21:07.37 | AnduinLothar | :) Made a tool for the QA that lets you spawn items using lootlink |
| 21:12.50 | AnduinLothar | and shows item id when you right-click an item link |
| 21:18.37 | id` | I'm hooking addmessage, and my object has a table with key/value pairs of 'client text modifiers'. One of them is a timestamp. (self.blah['^(.+)$'] = function(text) return string.format('%s %s', date('%H:%M:%S'),text) end) |
| 21:18.54 | id` | the hook just loops throught the table and gsubs |
| 21:19.02 | id` | the text string* |
| 21:19.33 | id` | the next thing i want to add as a toggleable option is to have the chat channel names in short |
| 21:19.51 | id` | but how would i do so without requiring localisations.. |
| 21:20.16 | Iriel | I suspect it depends how you create the short versions |
| 21:20.40 | id` | all the code: |
| 21:20.42 | id` | http://pastebin.com/554907 |
| 21:20.47 | id` | (look at the bottom) |
| 21:21.14 | id` | i wanted to do it like this because im not going to hook the same thing twice in my addon, and i dont think thats even possible |
| 21:21.20 | id` | and this way i can add way more later |
| 21:21.22 | id` | :P |
| 21:23.05 | Iriel | I dont see where you actually create the short names |
| 21:23.19 | Iriel | all I see is the toggle stuff |
| 21:23.33 | id` | line 364 |
| 21:23.42 | id` | I haven't created that yet. |
| 21:23.44 | id` | hehe |
| 21:23.48 | id` | thats why i was asking |
| 21:23.49 | id` | :X |
| 21:24.12 | Iriel | Well, your question's hard to answer in the abstract |
| 21:24.23 | Iriel | You should maintain a localized mapping table, which would require localizatoin |
| 21:24.49 | Iriel | You could try coding an arbitrary prefix-substring type abbreviation, but that may not be acceptable in other locales |
| 21:26.52 | id` | like ^[(...)(.+)].+$ ? |
| 21:27.04 | id` | the first atom needs to be a number if theres a number |
| 21:27.06 | id` | :P |
| 21:27.06 | Iriel | Well, you'd need to write some code to handle UTF-8 |
| 21:27.22 | Iriel | so it's messier than a simple gsub |
| 21:27.32 | Iriel | though you can cache the results, so there wouldn't be too much of a performance overhead |
| 21:27.36 | id` | curseth thee, blizzard |
| 21:27.55 | Iriel | curse those who dont speak english, or lua for being 8 bit not unicode. 8-) |
| 21:28.03 | id` | that also |
| 21:28.07 | id` | localistaion-- |
| 21:28.45 | id` | AddMessage(type, channel, text, {r, g, b}) |
| 21:28.53 | id` | would be nicer |
| 21:28.53 | id` | :> |
| 21:29.13 | id` | and the chatframe would figure out what to put where because it already does now |
| 21:29.17 | id` | sigh... |
| 21:29.19 | Iriel | But a lot less generally useful for non-chat ScrollingMessageFrames |
| 21:29.47 | id` | yes |
| 21:29.51 | Iriel | Well, can you subvert the chat event handler instead of AddMessage? |
| 21:30.09 | id` | no, i really need to change the text that appears |
| 21:30.14 | AnduinLothar | ChatFrame_OnEvent is notorious for hooks |
| 21:30.47 | id` | i'm really modifying the chatframe, i dont wanna mess with its contents |
| 21:30.56 | id` | if i would use the event i'd break other addon's regexes |
| 21:31.13 | id` | addons' |
| 21:31.17 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 21:31.43 | id` | but.. maybe.. the even does have the channel name in some arg |
| 21:31.46 | id` | *look* |
| 21:31.59 | Iriel | But you can hook the on event and set some flags |
| 21:32.07 | Iriel | set on the way in, unset on the way out |
| 21:32.08 | AnduinLothar | was just gonna sugegst that |
| 21:32.14 | Iriel | then your chat frame hook can look at those |
| 21:33.37 | id` | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_%28Full_List%29#CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL |
| 21:33.38 | id` | arg 9 |
| 21:36.01 | AnduinLothar | arg... having a mental block towards this hw. I managed to code an addon on 1 hr of sleep but cant focus enough to finish this dumb hw |
| 21:37.55 | Iriel | probably because addon coding is 'easy' for you now, and hw is not |
| 21:38.14 | AnduinLothar | guess so |
| 21:38.22 | AnduinLothar | both coding.. |
| 21:39.25 | AnduinLothar | I really don't understand why she expects us to do research on this take home midterm... we haven't used this particular method and there's no example in the book... |
| 21:39.50 | Iriel | well, maybe that's the idea -- research something you haven't seen before? |
| 21:40.04 | AnduinLothar | the theory is there, but I don't understand it enough from just reading the book to be able to impliment it |
| 21:40.08 | Iriel | Or maybe you're misreading the assignment, I can't say that didn't happen to me once or twice at university 8-) |
| 21:40.16 | Iriel | What's the problem you have to solve? |
| 21:41.17 | AnduinLothar | Well we have an asembly-like language called simplesem and a psudo-C piece of code that we're spose to compile to simplesem |
| 21:41.33 | Iriel | compile by hand? |
| 21:41.36 | Iriel | or write code? |
| 21:42.20 | AnduinLothar | well one problem was to write a compiler, which I did, but that was using pass-by-value and for the next problem she wants us to compile by hand using pass-by-refrence |
| 21:43.52 | AnduinLothar | and we have a call sequence for pass-by-refrence from the book, but no example on how to actually use the variables once they're passed or how to start the beginning of the code so that the offset is standard |
| 21:44.31 | Iriel | Can you figure any of that out from the call sequence? |
| 21:45.00 | AnduinLothar | we have no example of the call sequence, only the english description |
| 21:47.17 | Iriel | ah, I see |
| 21:48.46 | AnduinLothar | I feel like in essense we're being tested on how well we can pull info from the book, rather than how well we learned the material |
| 21:48.58 | AnduinLothar | which seems unfair |
| 21:49.07 | Iriel | Perhaps, but it's a valuable skill |
| 21:50.28 | AnduinLothar | Right, but of what use is it really in issolation? Normally if I don't understand I would ask someone that knows. My memory is horrible. I pride myself on being able to look things up quickly. |
| 21:50.44 | AnduinLothar | And knowing where to look. |
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| 21:51.35 | AnduinLothar | w/e I'm done whining. I can't do this problem and I don't have any more time to complain about it |
| 21:52.01 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=319940&s=new&tmp=1#new <-- is it just me who gets pissed at threads like this? I might have gone too far with my reply, I don't know |
| 21:53.01 | AnduinLothar | no, he's an idiot |
| 21:53.10 | AnduinLothar | tell him to put it on his blog |
| 21:54.48 | AnduinLothar | Don't feel bad cide. I cussed out someone on curse who said I hadn't tested my addon... |
| 21:55.06 | Iriel | At least curse lived up to its name' |
| 21:55.24 | Cide | haha |
| 21:56.19 | Cairenn | cide - you didn't go anywhere close to "too far" with that response |
| 21:57.18 | Cairenn | you were completely civil with your response |
| 21:57.23 | Cide | good |
| 21:57.33 | Cairenn | which is more, imo, than the OP deserved, after what he said |
| 21:57.33 | AnduinLothar | that's what I meant to say |
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| 21:59.29 | Cairenn | yo Beladona! |
| 21:59.36 | Cairenn | Happy Valentine's Day :) |
| 21:59.37 | Beladona | hiya |
| 21:59.41 | Beladona | thanks |
| 21:59.48 | Beladona | tis also my Anniversary |
| 21:59.55 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 22:00.03 | Cairenn | well Happy Anniversary too! |
| 22:00.55 | Beladona | and a patch! weeee |
| 22:02.35 | Cairenn | nothing of any real consequence |
| 22:02.42 | Beladona | yeah |
| 22:02.49 | Beladona | but there are likely small UI changes |
| 22:03.24 | Beladona | especially with the addition of that new guild recruitment channel |
| 22:03.32 | AnduinLothar | ya they decided they couldn't wait till 1.10 to break Sky |
| 22:03.48 | Beladona | heh |
| 22:04.37 | AnduinLothar | well, at least we're finally getting the Chat revamp that should have been built into the game from launch |
| 22:04.49 | Beladona | how so |
| 22:07.12 | Beladona | only one change |
| 22:07.18 | Beladona | in the GlobalStrings |
| 22:07.46 | AnduinLothar | no i mean in 1.10 |
| 22:07.59 | Beladona | ok take that back, 236 changes on GlobalStrings |
| 22:08.04 | Beladona | =P |
| 22:08.27 | Beladona | most of which are just lines being reorganized |
| 22:08.50 | AnduinLothar | I think they should rewrite ChatFrame_OnEvent and break every channel comm addon |
| 22:09.24 | Beladona | I play other games, especially betas. They make me appreciate wow more |
| 22:09.35 | AnduinLothar | just break the whole process, somehow make it impossibly so I don't have to deal with the headache any more |
| 22:09.40 | Beladona | one day of another mmorpg often sends me screaming back to wow |
| 22:12.11 | Cide | yeah, after reading my reply I realized it's not that bad.. I think the thoughts that passed my mind were more harsh, heh |
| 22:18.18 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, I should get a copy of the legalize I signed on trade secrets.. |
| 22:20.17 | AnduinLothar | My favorite was the 'everything you make think or do that relates to blizzard is blizzard's property' paper... was like the wow user agreement*10 |
| 22:21.09 | AnduinLothar | I made liberal use of Exibit A for pre stated exemptions |
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| 22:31.02 | Iriel | Beladona : I dont see any changes to GlobalStrings, did I mess up my extract somehow? |
| 22:31.21 | Beladona | not sure |
| 22:31.35 | Beladona | or maybe I did |
| 22:31.44 | Beladona | lemme try it again just to make sure |
| 22:31.52 | Iriel | I re-did my svn repository recently, so I could have messed it up |
| 22:31.59 | Iriel | but I dont see ANY changes in this patch versus 1.9.3 |
| 22:33.40 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=lcompare&id=1945086 -- that is preliminary until I can verify my results |
| 22:35.26 | Beladona | I so wish I could get that code view to look better |
| 22:35.48 | Beladona | people complain when I word wrap, but it looks horrible without it on long lines of text |
| 22:37.30 | Beladona | I would eliminate that too if I could |
| 22:37.48 | AnduinLothar | so make word wrap optional :) |
| 22:38.02 | Beladona | heh |
| 22:38.29 | Cairenn | mmmrh? popups? tell me you are talking about something other than what I immediately think of when you say that ... |
| 22:38.33 | Beladona | would rather have two iframes that scroll together, but I hate iframes, so I refuse to use them |
| 22:38.39 | Iriel | I'm perplexed now Bela |
| 22:38.45 | Beladona | me 2 |
| 22:38.52 | AnduinLothar | ya i hate iframes too |
| 22:38.54 | Beladona | I am running a second extract and then comparing all 3 |
| 22:39.10 | Iriel | All I see changing is the exe |
| 22:40.01 | Beladona | I see the global strings get reorganized all the time |
| 22:40.08 | Beladona | not sure why now |
| 22:40.43 | Beladona | 2 separate extractions show the same exact results |
| 22:40.48 | Iriel | I think that file is generated from something else |
| 22:40.53 | Beladona | unless my 1.9.3 is bad? |
| 22:41.22 | Iriel | b16cddd0c648a6a06503fe59e633b322 GlobalStrings.lua |
| 22:41.27 | Iriel | That's 1.9.3 (my copy) |
| 22:41.32 | cladhaire | Evening all |
| 22:42.11 | Beladona | D88DE3D2EBEA5097B79546DD8E5F4865 |
| 22:42.15 | Beladona | weird |
| 22:42.18 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 22:42.27 | Beladona | same for 1.9.4 I assume |
| 22:42.27 | Iriel | Hm, i'm leaning towards thinking MY 1.9.3 is bad, but that's difficult to achieve |
| 22:42.54 | Beladona | E051E3AE4B9BF2D15B3042AEB8FB0B70 |
| 22:43.01 | Beladona | that was from 1.9.4 |
| 22:43.31 | Beladona | now I am all annoyed |
| 22:43.36 | Beladona | we need a 3rd party to do the same |
| 22:43.41 | cladhaire | gimme a second |
| 22:43.46 | cladhaire | i can't do 1.9.3 for you |
| 22:43.50 | Beladona | that fine |
| 22:43.53 | Iriel | Ah, I may have an answer |
| 22:44.20 | Beladona | question |
| 22:44.26 | Beladona | how do you extract? |
| 22:44.33 | cladhaire | bah i dont have it extracted atm |
| 22:44.37 | Beladona | manually or interface kit |
| 22:44.51 | Iriel | Interface kit |
| 22:44.54 | Iriel | But that was my problem |
| 22:44.57 | Iriel | I had 2 of them |
| 22:44.58 | Beladona | that can't be it then |
| 22:45.01 | Iriel | and I was using the old one |
| 22:45.08 | Beladona | the global strings? |
| 22:45.11 | Beladona | or the interface kit |
| 22:45.27 | Iriel | e051e3ae4b9bf2d15b3042aeb8fb0b70 |
| 22:45.30 | Iriel | I match yours now |
| 22:45.32 | Iriel | Old Interface Kit |
| 22:45.34 | Beladona | ahhh |
| 22:45.37 | Beladona | I feel better now |
| 22:45.40 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:45.42 | Beladona | does that mean your svn is bad? |
| 22:45.42 | Iriel | Me too 8-) |
| 22:45.50 | Iriel | Just 1.9.3 |
| 22:45.54 | Beladona | ahh kk |
| 22:46.12 | Beladona | scared me |
| 22:46.13 | Beladona | hehe |
| 22:47.13 | Iriel | I've removed the offending interface kit, also |
| 22:47.52 | Beladona | I wonder why they reorganize that file all the time. Likely they have a central global strings list that generates what we see, and any change causes the final list to be in a different order |
| 22:48.09 | cladhaire | generated from something else. |
| 22:48.14 | cladhaire | is my best guess |
| 22:48.15 | Beladona | because a lot of the order changes make no sense to me |
| 22:48.43 | cladhaire | also seems they're very hesitant to delete old ones |
| 22:48.47 | cladhaire | but not always |
| 22:49.04 | Beladona | unfortunately my compare sees even order change as a change |
| 22:49.11 | Beladona | for better or worse |
| 22:49.18 | cladhaire | you could re-parse them in lua |
| 22:49.18 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:49.21 | Beladona | true |
| 22:49.23 | cladhaire | and compare those |
| 22:49.25 | Beladona | but thats more work |
| 22:49.26 | Beladona | hehe |
| 22:49.29 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:49.46 | Beladona | I have a project for you |
| 22:49.48 | Beladona | clad |
| 22:49.52 | Beladona | when you have time that is |
| 22:50.00 | cladhaire | k |
| 22:50.05 | cladhaire | depending on the project i'll amek time at work =) |
| 22:50.07 | Beladona | or really anyone that wants to tackle it |
| 22:50.18 | Beladona | I want to improve my code viewer |
| 22:50.26 | cladhaire | k |
| 22:50.33 | Beladona | I have stuff that can syntax highlight |
| 22:50.37 | Beladona | so that isn't a big deal |
| 22:50.42 | Beladona | my thing is how to get it easier to read |
| 22:50.55 | wereHamster | good night ... |
| 22:51.02 | Iriel | Can't you just line wrap it before formatting? |
| 22:51.09 | Beladona | I thought about two separate scrollable frames, but that would require some heavy scripting to get them to scroll at the same time |
| 22:51.10 | Iriel | it'd make line numbering more complex, slightly |
| 22:51.20 | Beladona | it was like that before |
| 22:51.32 | Beladona | I had some people that disliked it |
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| 22:51.37 | cladhaire | Beladona: It wouldn't be that bad to make them scroll together |
| 22:51.40 | cladhaire | Just some DOM magic |
| 22:51.45 | Iriel | I dislike the current one more 8-) |
| 22:51.50 | Beladona | me 2 |
| 22:52.01 | Beladona | I may need help with that DOM magic |
| 22:52.05 | cladhaire | k k |
| 22:52.16 | cladhaire | i'll send you some code for sync'd scrollbars tomorrow |
| 22:52.35 | Beladona | if I can get both panes on top of each other, and integrate it into the existing page, instead of a separate popup, I will love you for life |
| 22:53.10 | Beladona | then I can use that same thing for file browsing |
| 22:53.39 | cladhaire | k |
| 22:53.44 | cladhaire | i'll get you the scrollbar code soon |
| 22:53.47 | cladhaire | gimme your email tho |
| 22:53.49 | cladhaire | i'm cladhaire@gmail.com |
| 22:53.53 | Cairenn | Cide: omg, see his response! "I will tell the truth about the mod" ... excuse me? the "truth"? the truth according to whom? |
| 22:53.57 | cladhaire | and be on gmailtalk at work damnit.. its the only way i can talk. |
| 22:55.01 | Beladona | can I get gaimtalk in Gaim? |
| 22:55.06 | Beladona | err gmailtalk rather |
| 22:55.35 | Tain | Gmailtalk is now giving the optino to archive your chats directly to your gmail. Crazy. |
| 22:56.01 | Beladona | I had a gmail account long ago, but never used it, and forgot the username/pass |
| 22:56.05 | Beladona | lol |
| 22:56.18 | cladhaire | i can give you a new one |
| 22:56.24 | Tain | hehe well anyone who has one now has thousands of invites to send out. :) |
| 22:56.27 | cladhaire | Beladona, just use any jabber server |
| 22:56.51 | Beladona | hmm |
| 22:56.58 | Tain | Don't give me that jibba jabba. |
| 22:57.12 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:57.28 | Tain | Uh oh, I done got my mojo back. |
| 22:57.50 | cladhaire | How Tain got his mojo back? |
| 22:59.06 | Cide | Cairenn: yeah... I'm just not going to reply anymore |
| 22:59.21 | Tain | Three dozen chewy chocolate cookies with a thick fudge icing drizzle across them. |
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| 22:59.52 | Cairenn | I'm tempted to, but given how much pain I'm in, it's probably just as well that the forum login server is down ... |
| 23:00.37 | Cairenn | I probably wouldn't be half as civil as you were |
| 23:02.00 | Tain | Aw Cairenn half of your civil is still twice most of us. :) |
| 23:02.06 | AnduinLothar | we should start a developers union |
| 23:02.19 | AnduinLothar | start charging for support |
| 23:02.28 | AnduinLothar | leasing addons |
| 23:02.46 | Tain | You know AnduinLothar peopel would pay. Well, besides the whole legal issue aroundit. |
| 23:02.49 | AnduinLothar | 25cents a month per addon sound good? |
| 23:02.57 | Tain | But there are people who would pay for addons. |
| 23:03.19 | Tain | Hell, what if, just as a crazy example, CT_RA suddenly stopped working unless you paid? hehe |
| 23:03.32 | cladhaire | I'd write something to pull the blizzard raid ui out =) |
| 23:03.43 | AnduinLothar | alreayd written |
| 23:03.46 | cladhaire | i know |
| 23:03.52 | cladhaire | i just cant ever find it =) |
| 23:04.03 | cladhaire | i've used every raid ui i can find.. so i can integrate click-casting |
| 23:04.19 | cladhaire | since not everyone is as kind as Cide.. and gives a click-casting function to set =/ |
| 23:04.45 | AnduinLothar | different standards |
| 23:04.48 | Tain | Good Cide, nice Cide, such a good Cide. |
| 23:04.58 | cladhaire | what do you mean different standards? |
| 23:05.10 | AnduinLothar | codign standards |
| 23:05.35 | cladhaire | But given the prevelance of click-casting mods |
| 23:05.44 | AnduinLothar | meh, I hate um |
| 23:05.51 | cladhaire | In MarsRaid/XRaid/BlahRaid I have to hook and replace functions and other nonsense |
| 23:05.51 | Beladona | compare is fully published on wdn now |
| 23:06.04 | cladhaire | In CTRaid.. I set a variable to my functino, and return true if i want to passthrough |
| 23:06.05 | cladhaire | so clean |
| 23:06.06 | cladhaire | so pretty |
| 23:06.09 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: why do you think that we (*Interface) put so much emphasis on supporting the *authors* ... |
| 23:06.11 | cladhaire | and with that.. I'm off to dinner =) |
| 23:06.23 | Tain | Yay Beladona! |
| 23:06.45 | zeeg | oo this is interesting |
| 23:06.48 | zeeg | have you guys see alexadex? |
| 23:07.03 | Beladona | no |
| 23:07.32 | zeeg | ok well if you do anything with websites, its an interesting game (i just found out about it). its like.. pretend stock market, the stocks gain/lower based on alexa.com's rankings |
| 23:08.39 | zeeg | wowinterface.com is $43 a share :P |
| 23:08.41 | zeeg | hah |
| 23:09.25 | zeeg | http://alexadex.com/ad/index.fcgi?ref=7610 <-- go sign up through me, so I get more fake money |
| 23:10.14 | Tain | It was just a couple days ago someone was in here complaining about alexa's rankings. |
| 23:10.22 | AnduinLothar | invest now before 1.10 .... silly market's too predictible |
| 23:10.29 | zeeg | lol |
| 23:10.33 | Beladona | I wonder how useful an RSS feed would be for wdn |
| 23:10.36 | zeeg | i got 8 wowi shares, and im broke: D |
| 23:10.46 | zeeg | Beladona, i cant see a lot of use for it |
| 23:10.54 | Tain | I was investing in gold, but gold market is dropping. |
| 23:11.22 | Beladona | gold market always drops the longer a game has been out |
| 23:11.27 | Beladona | not wise to invest in it |
| 23:12.56 | Tain | Yeah, but I meant real gold. :) US Gold market was slowly, but steadily, going up the last 5 years. |
| 23:13.02 | Tain | Suddenly started to drip. |
| 23:13.03 | Tain | dip |
| 23:13.16 | Tain | Dripping gold would be .. bad I think. |
| 23:13.43 | zeeg | probably |
| 23:14.01 | AnduinLothar | hot |
| 23:15.21 | Beladona | invest in gas prices |
| 23:15.26 | Beladona | you can never go wrong there |
| 23:15.30 | Beladona | o.0 |
| 23:15.36 | Tain | heh |
| 23:16.23 | Tain | gah got an email from a place that wants to do a phone interview with me this week. But it's.. ahhh that's a crappy commute. Damnit. |
| 23:17.16 | AnduinLothar | doing what |
| 23:17.50 | Tain | Systems administration, mostly WinTel. |
| 23:18.22 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 23:18.24 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Beladona -> Mod Dev Discussions: Keep smiling! It makes people wonder what you are up to... |
| 23:18.41 | Tain | But I might think about this actually, they're a company who provides service to the Navy. Big money in this area. |
| 23:18.58 | Beladona | I had a situation like that years ago |
| 23:18.59 | AnduinLothar | if money is what you're looking fo |
| 23:19.12 | Tain | Good situation is what I'm looking for. |
| 23:19.17 | Beladona | in the end it comes down to whether or not the money is worth the pain in the ass drive |
| 23:19.26 | AnduinLothar | Enjoyable Job is what I'm looking for |
| 23:19.35 | Tain | Money is towards the bottom of the list, opportunity is near the top. |
| 23:19.52 | AnduinLothar | opportunity is good tho |
| 23:20.02 | Tain | I've been doing it for the last 10 years, Beladona. 1 - 1.5 hour commute each way. Just to a different location. |
| 23:21.00 | Tain | Screw it, there's no reason for me to not at least talk to him. |
| 23:21.08 | Beladona | go for it |
| 23:21.56 | Beladona | what is the worst that could happen? You decide it isn't worth it... |
| 23:22.01 | Tain | Better not be one of those, "we'll pay you lots of money to head to the middle east for six months..." |
| 23:22.05 | Beladona | or you could get a really cool job |
| 23:22.19 | AnduinLothar | oh right. i wouldn't turn down any interview unless you already have a job |
| 23:22.34 | Tain | I do. I'm just seriously looking. |
| 23:22.35 | Beladona | even then... |
| 23:22.56 | Tain | Yeah really I'll talk to anyone. There's no rason not to, even if I think I'm perfectly happy with my job. |
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| 23:42.04 | id` | nn |
| 23:52.34 | futr-away | hmmmm.... "Couldn't load Blizzard_TrainerUI: Out of date" |
| 23:52.47 | Iriel | patch, you didn't clean up beforehand (or afterwards) |
| 23:53.05 | futr-away | I have to clean up blizzards addons? |
| 23:57.21 | Iriel | if you extracted them with the interface customization kit, yes |
| 23:57.31 | Iriel | (Dont worry, with 1.10, they get extracted to a different location) |
| 23:59.35 | sarf|sleep | Good night all :) |
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