| 00:01.07 | Cairenn | night sarf|sleep |
| 00:02.42 | AnduinLothar | 1%2 is 1, correct? |
| 00:03.24 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:03.28 | Iriel | if % is mod |
| 00:03.40 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 00:14.19 | futr-away | Iriel, nope didn't extract them. just deleted the ones it makes in the addons folder and all is fine |
| 00:14.48 | Iriel | If they were full directories (and not just .pub files) then the game doesn't normally make those |
| 00:15.21 | futr-away | hmmm, didn't look inside, but I hadn't messed with them |
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| 00:16.54 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 00:17.00 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:17.20 | Shouryuu | no purrs and moos today? |
| 00:17.57 | AnduinLothar | zzz |
| 00:18.06 | futr-away | hey Shouryuu |
| 00:18.10 | AnduinLothar | i've had 1 hr of sleep |
| 00:18.24 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 00:18.29 | AnduinLothar | and i'm going to be up another 12 hours |
| 00:18.53 | AnduinLothar | need another nap |
| 00:19.00 | AnduinLothar | and a shower |
| 00:19.06 | Shouryuu | ohhh naps are so good when you're dead tired |
| 00:20.50 | futr-away | how do you do block comments in XML? |
| 00:21.01 | AnduinLothar | <!-- --> |
| 00:21.13 | futr-away | thanks |
| 00:21.17 | Cairenn | what he said |
| 00:21.35 | futr-away | I know nothing about xml ;'] |
| 00:22.19 | Cairenn | it and graphics are the only part I *do* know |
| 00:23.06 | Shouryuu | I deteste XML |
| 00:23.26 | Cairenn | xml is easy |
| 00:23.26 | futr-away | those are the bits I need to learn, though the graphics I know, I'm just not good at it |
| 00:23.35 | Cairenn | lua is confusing as hell :p |
| 00:23.39 | futr-away | I'm not fond of xml either |
| 00:23.42 | Shouryuu | hhehe |
| 00:23.58 | futr-away | the lua is easy (relatively) |
| 00:24.13 | Shouryuu | I'm not an organised person, and XML gets tough |
| 00:24.44 | Shouryuu | lua is just like any other language imo... Don't know that many, don't know much about lua neither, but meh... |
| 00:25.17 | Cairenn | but, see, I'm not a programmer, I don't know languages, sooooo ... |
| 00:26.05 | futr-away | fair enough, and no matter how much I hate xml I'm still going to use it for the bulk of my widgets even when we get dynamic frames |
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| 00:27.52 | Shouryuu | are they going to repair the ability to spoof links? |
| 00:28.12 | Cairenn | it goes poof in 1.10 |
| 00:28.19 | Shouryuu | good |
| 00:28.24 | Cairenn | agreed |
| 00:29.06 | Shouryuu | no more "Runed Blade of the Black Flight of Roundhouse Kicking" |
| 00:30.14 | Iriel | I still believe _most_ frames are going to be more appropriate via XML than dynamically |
| 00:30.38 | Iriel | Unless someone writes a super UI builder tool and toolkit |
| 00:30.43 | futr-away | but I like [A Snowball's chance in Hell] ;'] |
| 00:30.56 | duke|ib | heh |
| 00:31.11 | duke|ib | i'm glad the heart candy with "I'm going to follow you all around Azeroth." isn't spoofed |
| 00:31.19 | duke|ib | because it's too f'n awesome to go away |
| 00:45.44 | futr-away | I hate Titan |
| 00:46.04 | Shouryuu | do add-ons belong to the ones who coded them or blizzard? |
| 00:46.17 | Iriel | they 'belong' to the people who coded them |
| 00:46.20 | clad|dinner | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=blah+blah+blah+i%27m+a+dirty+tramp&btnG=Google+Search I had no idea it would be so popular =) |
| 00:46.23 | Iriel | for some definition of 'belong' |
| 00:46.27 | Shouryuu | :P |
| 00:46.38 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 00:47.42 | Tain | For some reason whenI think dirty tramp I can only think of Brittany Murphy. |
| 00:48.13 | clad|dinner | i LOVE brittany murphy =) |
| 00:48.20 | Shouryuu | and are you stealing intellectual property if you use it but aren't creating anything of "physical" value? |
| 00:48.44 | Tain | She plays the best tramp ever. |
| 00:48.48 | Tain | And I'd still soil her. |
| 00:48.51 | Cairenn | Intellectual property belongs to the creator, unless they are under contract which includes the right to all intellectual property created during the time of the contract |
| 00:49.21 | Iriel | AnduinLothar needs to be very careful about that latter part 8-) |
| 00:49.34 | Tain | Plus she said one of the funniest spontaneous (or at least seemingly) things on TV I've seen when she was on Letterman. |
| 00:49.51 | Cairenn | Iriel: indeed |
| 00:50.14 | Cairenn | I trust he read his contract thoroughly before signing |
| 00:50.25 | Tain | She and Ashton Kutcher had recently split up, and he was just starting to see Demi Moore. |
| 00:50.47 | Tain | Letterman asked her about it and she said, "I think it's great. It just shows that to him age doesn't matter, and to her size doesn't matter." |
| 00:51.02 | Tain | And then she got embarassed to all hell and tried apologizing over and over again. |
| 00:51.09 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 00:54.15 | duke|ib | doh, that wasn't the right one |
| 00:55.28 | Cairenn | awwww, thanks cladhaire :) |
| 00:56.08 | Tain | I have rum and fudge cookies, that's almost the same! |
| 00:56.18 | Cairenn | man, some people really have no sense of tact whatsoever, do they? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2709 |
| 00:56.42 | Cairenn | awww, thanks Tain |
| 00:57.32 | Tain | Oh. Uh. Yeah I mean I was offering to share them! |
| 00:57.39 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:58.46 | Beladon1 | that post makes my giggle uncontrollably |
| 00:58.49 | Beladon1 | me* |
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| 00:59.09 | Tain | Where can I get addons... |
| 00:59.16 | Beladona | in your pants |
| 00:59.22 | Beladona | go ahead, reach... |
| 00:59.25 | Beladona | oh |
| 00:59.26 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 00:59.32 | Cairenn | oh ... my ... |
| 00:59.47 | Cairenn | well, we know what's on Bela's mind tonight ... |
| 00:59.52 | Beladona | seriously though, postingon wowinterface, asking where to download addons.... |
| 00:59.59 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 01:00.33 | Beladona | thats like asking a bartender where you can find a good bar in town |
| 01:00.41 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 01:00.43 | Cairenn | yeah, rather |
| 01:01.31 | Cairenn | I thought I responded rather nicely, considering |
| 01:01.33 | Beladona | and as to what is on my mind tonight -- spending time in vs with the wife tends to do that to ya |
| 01:01.54 | Tain | Hooo boy yeah talk about embarassing, you should have seen the slap I got when I asked that girl I was with where I could find a good lay. |
| 01:02.28 | Beladona | after she slapped you, did you say -- oh I guess you wouldn't know? |
| 01:02.32 | Beladona | doh |
| 01:02.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:02.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:03.07 | Beladona | or better yet, bend over and say, "you missed a spot" |
| 01:03.12 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 01:03.17 | Tain | haha |
| 01:03.28 | Cairenn | ! |
| 01:03.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:04.00 | Tain | Or it could be the old, "Bronco Buck." That's where you're goign at her from behind and you whisper in her ear, "You know you're not as good as the girl I was with last night." And see how long you can hold onl |
| 01:04.24 | Astryl | lol |
| 01:04.35 | Cairenn | get it right Tain, it's "your sister" :p |
| 01:04.44 | Beladona | careful, women tend to know where to get you so it hurts |
| 01:05.19 | Tain | Yeah Cairenn, I heard it originally differently, and then my roommate in college actually had his girlfriend's sister over for the night and I heard that variation then. :) |
| 01:06.02 | Beladona | RF Online = dead |
| 01:06.06 | Astryl | So, my addon has had a total of 1127 downloads so far, plus however many downloads there were for public beta 1 on curse (seems curse overwrote beta 1 with beta 2, and lost the d/l count for beta1. Don't ask me) |
| 01:06.07 | Beladona | just when I was getting hooked |
| 01:06.25 | Astryl | What do you mean, dead? Canceled in US? |
| 01:06.27 | cladhaire | Is there a way to reset the download counter on WoWi? |
| 01:06.28 | Beladona | no |
| 01:06.34 | Beladona | servers died during the stress test |
| 01:06.37 | Beladona | =P |
| 01:06.39 | Astryl | Ah. |
| 01:06.41 | Beladona | gotta love it |
| 01:06.43 | Cairenn | cladhaire: yes ... ask one of us to do it for you ;) |
| 01:06.49 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:06.50 | cladhaire | \ |
| 01:06.50 | Tain | They need some prozac for those servers. |
| 01:06.55 | Beladona | they said they will be down for 2 days |
| 01:07.03 | Beladona | that was today, after 2 days of downtime |
| 01:07.06 | Beladona | =P |
| 01:07.11 | Tain | That's a lot of stress. |
| 01:07.14 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:07.27 | Astryl | Anyway, interesting ratios of downloads at the 4 different sites... |
| 01:07.35 | Tain | You know I love that Shouryuu, he laughs at my jokes al ot. |
| 01:07.51 | Astryl | I was expecting like 5x at curse, 4x at ui.wow.net, 2x and wowi and 1x at guru... |
| 01:08.20 | cladhaire | i dont think WatchDog 2.0 will go anywhere other than WoWI. |
| 01:08.26 | cladhaire | i feel like the other sites are too nazi for me. |
| 01:08.31 | cladhaire | but alas. |
| 01:08.34 | Beladona | amen |
| 01:08.41 | Shouryuu | hehe I just alugh at everything =P |
| 01:08.50 | Astryl | instead it's 4.5x at guru (whoa), 3.7x at ui.wow.net, 2.1x at wowi, and 1x at curse (cause it's only counting beta2 which came out yesterday) |
| 01:09.02 | cladhaire | Rushter keeps editing my comments at ui =( |
| 01:09.04 | Astryl | So, grats to zeeg... |
| 01:09.15 | Cairenn | but, cladhaire, *we're* the nazi's, remember? we check every mod every time, and we actually dare to demand that folks behave with decency and courtesy |
| 01:09.21 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:09.26 | Beladona | how is it a comment if someone else edits it |
| 01:09.32 | Beladona | heh |
| 01:09.34 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:09.39 | cladhaire | i had a link to my portal |
| 01:09.51 | Cairenn | ui.wow won't allow links to other sites, is what cladhaire is referring to |
| 01:10.06 | Cairenn | so they are editing every author's comments that link to a portal at WoWI |
| 01:10.14 | Cairenn | to remove the links |
| 01:10.24 | Cairenn | yours aren't the only ones, clad |
| 01:10.37 | Beladona | that is pretty shitty of them |
| 01:10.43 | Cairenn | I've already been told the same by other authors as well |
| 01:10.56 | Beladona | and we have an unspoken relationship with them? |
| 01:11.01 | Beladona | or had |
| 01:11.07 | cladhaire | if they had HTML markup that llowed me to mask the link.. I would |
| 01:11.08 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 01:11.40 | Beladona | just say it in plain text |
| 01:11.51 | cladhaire | It gets edited. |
| 01:11.52 | Cairenn | Beladona: we have the same relationship with them as we have with the other two sites ... *we* offer to work together for the good of the community |
| 01:11.57 | cladhaire | I can't type cladhaire.wowinterface.com |
| 01:12.00 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 01:12.01 | Cairenn | they do whatever they want |
| 01:12.02 | cladhaire | whatevs |
| 01:12.07 | Beladona | thats fine |
| 01:12.10 | Beladona | dont give them business |
| 01:12.15 | cladhaire | its not like you have a link to the entire WGP crap. |
| 01:12.16 | Beladona | that tends to change hearts fast |
| 01:12.19 | cladhaire | or anything. |
| 01:12.33 | cladhaire | I'm better now |
| 01:12.36 | cladhaire | how is everything this evening? |
| 01:12.40 | Beladona | we support it, although I am not a fan of it myself |
| 01:12.46 | Cairenn | again, for the good of the community, if we don't have a mod someone is looking for, I will post where it is, if I know |
| 01:13.17 | Cairenn | the others don't wish to think that way, that is their business |
| 01:13.21 | Beladona | I am bad |
| 01:13.28 | Beladona | I telll them it might be at curse or guru |
| 01:13.32 | Beladona | they caan go find it themselves |
| 01:13.43 | Beladona | unless it is at wowi, then I link it |
| 01:13.46 | Tain | I just say I've never heard of it and if it isn't at wowi they imagined it. |
| 01:15.06 | Tain | "Anthropologist Hel Fisher studied the brain's circuitry and found that the brain sees romantic love as a reward similar to chocolate, money, or drugs." |
| 01:15.15 | Tain | s/Hel/Helen/ |
| 01:15.43 | Tain | I like chocolate. |
| 01:15.52 | cladhaire | k |
| 01:18.45 | Beladona | want to pass and idea by you guys -- tell me if you think it would be useful or not |
| 01:19.26 | Beladona | I am thinking about packagine my compares in an offline format, like a CHM or a self executing html archive |
| 01:19.37 | Beladona | and provide them for download of course |
| 01:19.52 | Beladona | expanded view, no line omission |
| 01:23.45 | Iriel | Hm, I'm not sure how many folks would want the compares that way |
| 01:26.52 | Tain | I am fully behind this. "The familiar double-lobed heart symbol was inspirted by the shape of human female buttocks as seen from the rear, according to a professor of psychology." |
| 01:28.09 | Shouryuu | I hate psychology |
| 01:28.47 | Tain | Me too. But I like human female buttockws. |
| 01:28.54 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:42.35 | MentalPower | Ì prefer the male version myself :) |
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| 01:46.29 | Tain | There's a treat for everyone, as far as I'm concerned! |
| 01:51.05 | AnduinLothar | The question was more like that could they put on here that could possibly make me not sign it. |
| 01:51.12 | AnduinLothar | what could* |
| 01:53.43 | AnduinLothar | It basicly just said the same thing as the WoW user agreement in terms of IP. "Anything you make concerning blizzard belongs to blizzard." |
| 01:55.52 | Corrodias | i'm not aware that the WoW EULA says that |
| 01:55.57 | Corrodias | although it has been a while |
| 01:56.44 | Tain | "I went to the store to get a candle holder, but they didn't have any. So I bought a cake." |
| 02:00.16 | Iriel | the EULA only covers derivative works |
| 02:00.22 | Iriel | and it says 'you cant make them' |
| 02:00.28 | Maldivia | hmm, why doesn't Model widgets have a GetModel() method :| |
| 02:00.47 | Iriel | Because we haven't asked for one yet? |
| 02:00.52 | Corrodias | BioWare, on the other hand, -does- own anything developed by their toolset. or at least they say they do. |
| 02:00.56 | Maldivia | probably :) |
| 02:01.57 | Tain | You can say anything you want, as far as I know none of it has been challegned in court. |
| 02:02.43 | AnduinLothar | hmm ToU says all documentaion is owned by blizz, spose that includes the wiki |
| 02:03.28 | Iriel | I dont think so |
| 02:03.38 | Iriel | because neither blizzard, or their game, produced that |
| 02:03.54 | AnduinLothar | 'any related documentaion' |
| 02:04.27 | Iriel | well, the legal system does have a degree of common sense underpinning |
| 02:04.41 | Iriel | That would be like claiming that blizzard owned every email you send that talks about wow |
| 02:04.47 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 02:06.49 | AnduinLothar | thechnically the ToU also say that you agree not to use 'mods' |
| 02:07.47 | AnduinLothar | or 'any other 3rd party software designed to modify the WoW experience' |
| 02:08.00 | AnduinLothar | so go figure.. |
| 02:08.11 | Iriel | Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may update World of Warcraft with authorized patches and updates distributed by Blizzard, and use authorized Third Party User Interfaces as set forth in Section 13(f), below. |
| 02:08.40 | Iriel | currently all UI's which live in Interface\AddOns are "authorized" |
| 02:09.00 | Iriel | Since obviously, if they weren't, blizzard could turn that feature off |
| 02:09.07 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 02:09.24 | Shouryuu | and would have stated that they weren't |
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| 02:12.04 | AnduinLothar | Ok, well the guy who is my boss I don't think has even read the contract I signed, because he was of zero help when I asked for clarification. |
| 02:13.29 | Tain | Direct managers don't always have any knowledge whatseover of stuff. Depends on the company. Some managers don't even get input as to who works for them. |
| 02:13.48 | AnduinLothar | well he interviewed me |
| 02:14.02 | Tain | No Iriel, there's another line in there that says something to the effect of, "If Blizzard publishes an authorized addon list..." |
| 02:14.33 | AnduinLothar | right, but they'd need to modify that before they could impliment it |
| 02:17.23 | Tain | It doesn't matter a lot, I still say it's all worded to say all addons are against the tos, and we just might choose not to enforce it at our discresion. |
| 02:17.32 | Tain | discretion. Wahtever. |
| 02:18.26 | Tain | On another note, this is the funniest SNL Jeopardy skit of all, and one of the funnier SNL skits overall. http://www.smithappens.com/video_celebrityjeopardy4.php |
| 02:20.19 | Iriel | I agree that as soon as they do publish a list, then all bets are off |
| 02:20.24 | Iriel | but until that point, we're ok. |
| 02:24.40 | AnduinLothar | which means if worse comes to worse and someone does something they don't liek they have a trump card |
| 02:27.20 | Corrodias | the list being "everything but decursive" |
| 02:27.57 | AnduinLothar | apaprently they had a way to disable it, but the QA guys foudn a way around it so they're trying again |
| 02:28.09 | AnduinLothar | i don't think it'spossible without limitting other features |
| 02:29.24 | Shadowd | How did they manage to find a way to disable it without limiting everything? |
| 02:29.42 | AnduinLothar | i dunno, and if i did I couldn't tell you |
| 02:29.45 | Shadowd | True |
| 02:29.57 | Iriel | I still believe that the only solution will be to re-engineer how curse detection, or cancellation, works. |
| 02:30.18 | Corrodias | well, what exactly is the problem with how decursive works? |
| 02:30.26 | Cairenn | AI in the UI |
| 02:30.29 | cladhaire | Corrodias: it makes decisions for you. Thats a bad thing. |
| 02:30.32 | Shadowd | Warlocks are complaining about it in PVP |
| 02:30.34 | Corrodias | once you can accurately describe the problem, the solution is simple |
| 02:30.34 | Iriel | it trivializes curse removal |
| 02:30.51 | Corrodias | fine, let me rephrase that. |
| 02:31.03 | Corrodias | once you can -precisely- describe the problem, the solution should be evident |
| 02:31.22 | cladhaire | Corrodias: The solutions seems to be limit targeting in some way.. or limit the aura information in some way. |
| 02:31.32 | Corrodias | the problem isn't that you can calculate things in LUA. it's not that you can cast spells with LUA. it's not that you can target people. it's some combination..? |
| 02:32.53 | AnduinLothar | they could just make the decurse cooldown longer |
| 02:32.53 | Corrodias | i'm not terribly familiar with what decursive does, though. maybe they -have- looked at it from every angle. |
| 02:33.11 | cladhaire | Anduin: that's about it.. but that ruins a number of PVE encounters. |
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| 02:33.22 | AnduinLothar | yup :) |
| 02:33.56 | Shadowd | AnduinLothar: Chromaggus :p |
| 02:34.12 | AnduinLothar | I soloed chronomaggus last night.. |
| 02:34.23 | Cairenn | "a little birdy told me that: apaprently they had a way to disable it, but the QA guys foudn a way around it so they're trying again" |
| 02:35.03 | AnduinLothar | w/e cair. I don't even know the name of the little birdy so I have so source to refrence even if they torchure me |
| 02:35.24 | AnduinLothar | torture* |
| 02:35.43 | AnduinLothar | no source* |
| 02:36.06 | Cairenn | you have inside info ... you aren't allowed to say you have inside info ... "a little birdy told me" is a polite euphemism that everyone accepts as the way around the restriction |
| 02:36.38 | Tain | I say at this point too bad, skip over it and implement entirely new "curses" |
| 02:36.51 | Legorol | mm, so AnduinLothar, how did your interview at Blizzard go? |
| 02:37.07 | AnduinLothar | lol. you've been gone a while |
| 02:37.10 | Cairenn | he's working there :p |
| 02:37.14 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: yes i have |
| 02:37.17 | Legorol | YOU ARE??? |
| 02:37.17 | Shouryuu | tain - Decursive does nothing in PvP |
| 02:37.22 | AnduinLothar | I started last night |
| 02:37.25 | Legorol | or whatever dance |
| 02:37.26 | Legorol | good job! |
| 02:37.36 | Cairenn | hence my commenting that he has inside info and can't publically admit to having the inside info |
| 02:37.42 | AnduinLothar | and am leaving now for another 9 hr shift on 2hrs of sleep |
| 02:37.42 | Legorol | does this mean you now have your hands tied behind your backs whilst hanging upside down? |
| 02:37.46 | cladhaire | indeed chicken-grats-eronit |
| 02:37.49 | Legorol | as far as AddOn coding etc. are concerned |
| 02:38.22 | Legorol | well that's splendid news |
| 02:38.23 | AnduinLothar | pretty much. I got my kicks out today by coding a QA tool for spawning items using lootlink |
| 02:38.29 | Legorol | and don't listen to Cairenn, do tell us everything ;-) |
| 02:38.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 02:38.47 | Corrodias | so.. the fact that he works there is not assumed to be enough to tip us off that he might know something? :P |
| 02:38.56 | AnduinLothar | i know nothing |
| 02:39.08 | Corrodias | sure, of course |
| 02:39.12 | Legorol | you just gave us more info! |
| 02:39.19 | Legorol | so Blizz QA is relying on lootlink, interesting.. |
| 02:39.26 | Legorol | i will be spreading that everywhere now ;-) |
| 02:39.28 | Corrodias | and they can spawn items using their UI? |
| 02:39.29 | AnduinLothar | i coded it on my spare time on my home comp |
| 02:39.41 | AnduinLothar | and no ones using it yet |
| 02:39.46 | AnduinLothar | anyway, gtg |
| 02:39.47 | Legorol | you can spawn items on your home comp in your spare time? h4xx0rrr |
| 02:39.51 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:39.52 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 02:39.53 | Legorol | see ya |
| 02:39.54 | AnduinLothar | not yet.. |
| 02:39.57 | Corrodias | he has hidden functions! |
| 02:40.00 | Corrodias | dogpile! |
| 02:40.16 | AnduinLothar | soon as i illegally copy the wowgm app tho.. |
| 02:40.34 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:41.38 | Shouryuu | weee |
| 02:41.56 | Legorol | that was a bill for services granted, now pay up! |
| 02:41.59 | Shadowd | bit late but, Shouryuu decursive does a fair bit in PVP. Manually works better but it does dos omething |
| 02:42.10 | Shadowd | s/Manually/manual decurse/ |
| 02:42.24 | Tain | by the way, somethingawful.com had another funny Warcraft article. |
| 02:42.31 | Shouryuu | Imo, a mage/priest spamming decursive in PvP is wasting his time |
| 02:42.42 | Shouryuu | and not helping |
| 02:43.04 | Shouryuu | .5second is a lot when two rogues and a mage are pwning the guy you're healing |
| 02:43.16 | Shadowd | Not really, I wish priests/druids/paladins would decurse more. |
| 02:43.37 | Shadowd | Nothing more annoying then not being able to get the flag but that paladin does "hey, i'm just going to run right next to you and try to snare him instead of removing magic" |
| 02:43.44 | Corrodias | take care when saying "decurse/decursing" and "decursive" |
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| 02:44.01 | Wobin_ | uncursing =) |
| 02:44.01 | Shadowd | *decursive |
| 02:44.07 | Shadowd | *removing the bad stuff |
| 02:44.07 | Wobin_ | uncursive! |
| 02:44.11 | Corrodias | imcursating. |
| 02:44.18 | Wobin_ | excursing |
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| 02:44.28 | Beladona | part of the problem with decursive isn't that it makes bad players play better. Its that it makes good players lazy |
| 02:44.37 | Shouryuu | I agree but in pvp decursing has to be done intelegently, you have to choose the right moment on the right target. Manual decursing does it better |
| 02:44.43 | Guillotine | heya. anyone know if its possible with yahoo to have it forward all messages to a certain address? |
| 02:44.46 | Corrodias | so, what does it do? target everyone who has curses and remove them? |
| 02:44.57 | Shouryuu | one by one |
| 02:45.03 | Wobin_ | with a single buttonpress |
| 02:45.06 | Corrodias | perhaps you shouldn't be able to perform actions on more than one target per keypress, then |
| 02:45.06 | Shadowd | It goes through party/raid not target, unless they changed it |
| 02:45.09 | Wobin_ | (each) |
| 02:45.24 | Corrodias | well, i suppose you don't have to change your target to cast it, no |
| 02:45.33 | Beladona | it isn't multiple targets in one keypress |
| 02:45.50 | Beladona | its one target, but you don't have to know which one |
| 02:45.59 | Shadowd | I havn't looked into it, but doesn't it pretty much just go through all the raid members in UnitDebuff and if they have something to cure, target them and cast the spell? |
| 02:46.00 | Beladona | it finds it for you, and the right spell as well |
| 02:46.09 | Shadowd | *using UnitDebuff. Can't spell today! |
| 02:46.09 | Corrodias | well, though it would be pretty bad, perhaps you shouldn't be able to determine what debuffs are on people, then. if they want to keep you from doing such a thing, that eliminates all similar problems. |
| 02:46.29 | Beladona | that may be the end result Corrodias |
| 02:46.33 | Beladona | at least in raids |
| 02:47.00 | cladhaire | They will have to drastically change a number of encounters if that is the case. |
| 02:47.08 | cladhaire | especially considering that ohorde only have priests to dispel |
| 02:47.09 | Beladona | aye |
| 02:47.22 | Corrodias | why? i can't imagine they DESIGNED the encounters to require addons that cast decurses for you |
| 02:47.22 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 02:47.27 | Beladona | its like I said before |
| 02:47.36 | cladhaire | No, but you HAVE to be able to see who has them |
| 02:47.38 | cladhaire | hence the problem. |
| 02:47.44 | Corrodias | oh. i meant from within LUA. |
| 02:47.53 | cladhaire | well how would the unitframes display them? |
| 02:47.57 | Beladona | they can't effectively kill decursive without hurting a lot of other addons / features |
| 02:47.57 | Corrodias | then again, that harms the ability to d- yeah |
| 02:47.59 | cladhaire | they need the LUA API to see them |
| 02:48.07 | Cairenn | okay, I was polite to that person once, I'm not sure I can do it a second time :p |
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| 02:48.49 | Corrodias | hmmmm |
| 02:49.05 | Beladona | this is an example of one reason why they have considered addon blacklisting |
| 02:49.08 | Tain | That's why I say leave them all alone as is and implement some brand new things that decursive can't touch, Beladona. |
| 02:49.32 | Corrodias | the problem is that anyone can modify the addon slightly to get around a "simple" blacklist |
| 02:49.39 | Beladona | not true |
| 02:49.42 | Corrodias | i'm sure you know that, i just like to say it |
| 02:49.43 | Tain | Introduce a brand new line of "stuff" that acts differently. |
| 02:49.53 | Beladona | well a simple blacklist maybe |
| 02:50.05 | Guillotine | Beladona: then what type of blacklist are you talking about? |
| 02:50.06 | Beladona | but the one that blizzard has partially setup, isn't simple |
| 02:50.15 | Guillotine | do you know how it works/ |
| 02:50.16 | Shadowd | Guillotine: Blizzard and Decursive |
| 02:50.20 | Beladona | the current blizzard addons already use signature files |
| 02:50.25 | Guillotine | Shadowd: I know that ;) |
| 02:50.33 | Corrodias | it will need a way of analyzing the algorithms... signature files? |
| 02:50.37 | Tain | Addon Blacklists will only ever be a case of making things, "inconvenient" if they ever even happen. |
| 02:50.39 | Guillotine | Beladona: It wouldn't be all that hard to get around it though |
| 02:50.46 | Beladona | its like an md5 hash |
| 02:50.59 | Guillotine | Beladona: and with even 1 character change, the hash changes completely |
| 02:50.59 | Beladona | but secure |
| 02:51.02 | Codayus | That's no harder to get around than blacklisting based on addon name. |
| 02:51.04 | Beladona | aye |
| 02:51.08 | Beladona | thats the problem |
| 02:51.15 | Beladona | you would have to get a new signature on every update |
| 02:51.23 | Guillotine | I'm not sure how they can successfuly do this. if they can at all |
| 02:51.27 | Beladona | thats why its a hate or love kind of thing |
| 02:51.43 | Guillotine | other than looking for complex patterns known to be involved in the addon making choices |
| 02:51.49 | Guillotine | but that would ruin alot of good addons |
| 02:51.53 | Beladona | there isn't an easy way to do signatures AND allow us to develop |
| 02:52.03 | Codayus | Basic decursive functionality is easy enough to implement from scratch. And if I didn't distribute it outside of my guild, then we'd have a decursive work-alike that bliz wouldn't know the signature of. |
| 02:52.06 | cladhaire | yes there is.. a test server for devs |
| 02:52.08 | cladhaire | but we wont see that. |
| 02:52.11 | Corrodias | the unitframe needs to be able to at least get the textures of debuffs, which you could parse to the debuff names, so they can't block that... |
| 02:52.12 | Beladona | aye |
| 02:52.15 | cladhaire | it goes along with the whitelist tho |
| 02:52.20 | cladhaire | app for it. |
| 02:52.23 | Beladona | they would need a test server that is always up |
| 02:52.26 | Guillotine | that would be horrible though clad |
| 02:52.30 | cladhaire | ive been begging for that |
| 02:52.35 | Guillotine | make making addons a nightmare |
| 02:52.39 | Tain | In theory maybe, Codayus. Unfortuantly poeple can't keep their mouth shut so it would never happen in reality. |
| 02:52.48 | Corrodias | blizzard doesn't have enough people to run things as it is. they'd NEVER be able to satisfy anyone who uses addons by requiring a whitelist |
| 02:52.52 | Tain | Three peopel can keep a secret if two are dead. |
| 02:53.26 | cladhaire | It would be horrible, yes. |
| 02:53.30 | Codayus | Tain: Doesn't really matter. One character change and it's a new addon as far as the signature is concerned. |
| 02:53.30 | cladhaire | but not unreasonable. |
| 02:53.42 | Beladona | blizzard hasn't implemented it yet, for the very reason that it would hurt as much as it would help |
| 02:53.58 | Beladona | I do believe that something needs to be done |
| 02:54.00 | Codayus | A whitelist solves that problem, but causes a dozen more, but 10x as serious. That'll never happen... |
| 02:54.02 | Tain | I understand the concept, Codayus. It just would never happen. |
| 02:54.05 | Corrodias | can you imagine what would happen at the next patch? |
| 02:54.11 | cladhaire | they're not serious to anyone at Blizzard Coday |
| 02:54.24 | Beladona | remember something |
| 02:54.27 | Tain | People talk, they can't help themselves. they want to feel somehow important. |
| 02:54.33 | Corrodias | dozens, if not hundreds, of addons trying to get whitelisted, nobody able to use their UI... |
| 02:54.36 | Beladona | our ability to develop addons is because they LET us |
| 02:54.39 | cladhaire | They could limit the amount of targeting that is capable per keypress |
| 02:54.41 | Beladona | not because they have to |
| 02:54.42 | Corrodias | blizzard of course taking weeks to approve them |
| 02:54.47 | cladhaire | For example only allow two target changes |
| 02:54.55 | cladhaire | and then prevent (somehow) Aura events from being captured. |
| 02:54.57 | cladhaire | but *shrug* |
| 02:55.00 | cladhaire | that has ways around it too |
| 02:55.06 | Beladona | the level of customization in wow is possibly more than any other game in history. Santioned by the devs anyway |
| 02:55.11 | Tain | Actually the whitelist will never happen (in my not-so-humble opinion) because of the legal issues, not the man-power issues. |
| 02:55.21 | Corrodias | legal issues? |
| 02:55.23 | Shadowd | Doesn't Decursive just loop through all raid members, check UnitDebuff, and target them once if it found them? So it never targets multiple times. |
| 02:55.29 | Tain | More than any other MMORPG Beladona. not more than any other game. |
| 02:55.32 | Tain | Legal issues. |
| 02:55.37 | Corrodias | legal issues? |
| 02:55.42 | cladhaire | Shadowd: Yes, but the same concept can be applied there. |
| 02:55.43 | Beladona | thats what I meant, sorry Tain |
| 02:55.44 | Tain | As soon as Blizzard says, "This addon is ok." they open themselves up to lawsuits. |
| 02:55.59 | cladhaire | Tain: correct |
| 02:55.59 | Corrodias | how? |
| 02:56.13 | Tain | By the fucking legal system. |
| 02:56.21 | Beladona | it would be better for them to say "This addon is NOT ok" but the problem still remains, how to enforce that |
| 02:56.24 | Corrodias | i know you want to explain but i wish you'd get on with it |
| 02:56.25 | cladhaire | you can sue anyone for anything =) |
| 02:56.33 | Tain | I'm not explaining jack shit. |
| 02:56.37 | Tain | It's already been explained. |
| 02:56.42 | Beladona | guys, relax |
| 02:56.44 | Corrodias | not while i've been here, not within the last 20 minutes |
| 02:57.01 | cladhaire | things elevate so quickly in here =) |
| 02:57.05 | cladhaire | so many strong opinions :P |
| 02:57.07 | Shadowd | You could setup something that when you're afflicted by something that it adds it to a channel and on key press it checks that list. You'd never have to cycle through targets or limit UnitDebuff. So I don't see how you could apply the same concept really |
| 02:57.15 | Beladona | Corrodias -- part of the legality of addons is that Blizzard takes no responsiblity for what an addon could or could not do to your system |
| 02:57.39 | Beladona | claiming one as "OK" is like saying "We Support this addon" |
| 02:58.05 | cladhaire | Shadowd: correct |
| 02:58.07 | cladhaire | hence the issue |
| 02:58.07 | Tain | Yeah, I'm sorry. Other stuff outside of here making me angry, not intended to carry over. |
| 02:58.13 | Corrodias | they can allow their use without supporting it. on the other hand, yes, they can always change the wording in the ToS/EULA. |
| 02:58.28 | cladhaire | COrrodias: as soon as they whitelist a mod.. they deem it as okay |
| 02:58.36 | cladhaire | and that is bad for a number of reasons. |
| 02:58.40 | Corrodias | i do wonder why the game makes you accept the eula every time you update, even though it hasn't changed in ages |
| 02:58.49 | Codayus | As an example, an addon can easily delete all of your items. Bliz would have to check for all sorts of contingencies before white listing an addon. Which means every addon would have to be fed through the full QA process, among other things...and it'd still be a headache for them. |
| 02:58.50 | Tem | Woot@! |
| 02:58.52 | cladhaire | a.) if its okay.. why isn't it in the default UI.. why do people have to download it seperately |
| 02:58.56 | Tem | NW Crown Finally dropped |
| 02:59.06 | cladhaire | and you gte it tem? |
| 02:59.23 | Tain | Part of the "issue" is that a video game EULA has still never (as far as I know, and I could be wrong) been challenged in court. |
| 02:59.34 | Corrodias | "it's okay because it is not known to exploit the game. we will allow you to use it. what you do with it, or what happens to you because of it, is not our concern." |
| 02:59.49 | Shouryuu | yeah that sounds fair |
| 03:00.01 | Codayus | And no, you can't just opt out of that sort of liability in many (most?) cases. IANAL, nor do I play one on tv, but I'd be very surprised if they could remotely even BEGIN to write a get out of jail free clause into the EUAL. Not because of problems with EULAs, but because you can't opt out of product liability stuff. |
| 03:00.01 | Tain | From a legal standpoint I don't think they can word things that way. |
| 03:00.06 | cladhaire | I agree Tain |
| 03:00.13 | cladhaire | you can't just say "I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER" |
| 03:00.16 | cladhaire | and have it mean anything. |
| 03:00.21 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 03:00.21 | Beladona | actually one of the biggest issues with TOS in games and software in general is that it is company oriented, and in no way protects the user. There is also no standard enforced on software companies for TOS compliance |
| 03:00.23 | cladhaire | as counter-intuitive as it sounds |
| 03:00.33 | Corrodias | but even now, they allow us to use addons. how is that different from having a whitelist and allowing only a few? |
| 03:00.39 | Tain | I think they have to say more like they do now which is basically that nothing is allowed. But they don't enforce it. |
| 03:00.45 | Beladona | part of that is because it hasn't been challenged much |
| 03:00.49 | cladhaire | Because right now its a blanket policy |
| 03:00.54 | Tain | There is a difference, Corrodias. That IS the difference. |
| 03:00.58 | cladhaire | Once you start singling it out.. there is an issue |
| 03:01.10 | Tain | There is a big difference between saying, "This is ok." and saying, "No comment." |
| 03:01.12 | Corrodias | i suppose some people will see it that way |
| 03:01.23 | Beladona | Corrodias, it is the same reason why you cannot sue Microsoft because your adobe application screwed up windows |
| 03:01.24 | Tain | Only the courts have to see it that way, which they do to this point in history. |
| 03:01.45 | Beladona | Microsoft lets you install apps, but doesn't support them unless it is theirs |
| 03:01.46 | Tem | hell yes! got my crown |
| 03:02.00 | Shouryuu | gratz |
| 03:02.04 | Tem | thanks |
| 03:02.10 | cladhaire | Grats Tem! |
| 03:02.14 | Tain | Of course as has been said, I am not a lawyer. I just try to learn a little more about it in general to udnerstand. |
| 03:02.17 | Beladona | gratz |
| 03:02.28 | Beladona | I work with lawyers |
| 03:02.33 | Beladona | hehe |
| 03:02.47 | Tain | And my understanding is that the current "safe ground" for companies is to explicitly say everything is bad. |
| 03:02.49 | Beladona | its great when you need free advise |
| 03:02.57 | Codayus | Anyhow, my thought is Bliz really doesn't care about decursive. As a sop to the warlocks whining about pvp they already increased the mana cost, and they may well implement a blacklist - which won't stop decursive, but will stop the only problem bliz cares about - people whining on the forums. :-) |
| 03:03.02 | Corrodias | i hope nobody takes my quick questions as attacks of any kind. i view this in a tiny little window so this conversation is moving pretty fast, for me |
| 03:03.08 | Beladona | they do care about decursive |
| 03:03.10 | Beladona | it has been stated |
| 03:03.13 | Beladona | by them |
| 03:03.22 | Tain | A blacklist simply isn't the solutions. |
| 03:03.23 | cladhaire | THey don't like it |
| 03:03.30 | Tain | Which is why it hasn't been implemented. |
| 03:03.31 | Codayus | Beladona: They said that, yes. On the forums. In response to whining. :-) |
| 03:03.36 | cladhaire | regardless of whether that's true.. or PR fluff |
| 03:03.37 | cladhaire | =) |
| 03:03.45 | Codayus | I don't think they care about decursive. |
| 03:03.49 | Beladona | its not a HUGE issue, but it is something they see as going against their vision of player interaction in the game |
| 03:04.03 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 03:04.15 | Tain | I think they are about Decursive. It automates part of the decision makin of the game which they avhe proved in the past that they don't like. |
| 03:04.24 | Tain | s/are/do care/ |
| 03:04.25 | Beladona | I doubt they will stop the press to kill it, but you can bet they will take baby steps toward preventing it from getting worse |
| 03:04.36 | cladhaire | Any addon that makes decisions for you.. is bad in blizzard's eyes. |
| 03:04.37 | cladhaire | and i agree. |
| 03:04.39 | cladhaire | completely. |
| 03:04.44 | cladhaire | But where do you draw the line? |
| 03:04.47 | Beladona | me 2 |
| 03:05.09 | Beladona | decursive is a gray area |
| 03:05.19 | Tain | See I actually don't care one bit. I think there's too much tedius nonsense in games anyway. |
| 03:05.22 | cladhaire | WatchDog has a function which will dispel or cure poison, etc. a unit you select.. by detecting what debuff is on it. |
| 03:05.30 | Beladona | its not like auto travel was, or anything else like that. You can't get up from your computer and let it run |
| 03:05.31 | Tain | But I do understand why Blizzard would care. |
| 03:05.40 | cladhaire | Is that too much? |
| 03:05.40 | Beladona | but it does take some of the intelligence out of the process |
| 03:05.59 | Tain | Personally I don't even care about full-blown completely automated bots. But that's a personal opinion. |
| 03:06.05 | Beladona | exactly, the question is how far |
| 03:06.17 | Beladona | decursive could be made to do more than it does |
| 03:06.21 | Corrodias | blizzard does love you to sit there and wait. and spend a lot of time waiting. |
| 03:06.28 | Corrodias | makes you play longer! |
| 03:06.40 | Beladona | that would be considered smart marketing |
| 03:06.51 | cladhaire | lol |
| 03:06.58 | cladhaire | night all |
| 03:07.02 | Beladona | night clad |
| 03:07.06 | clad|sleep | Bela: |
| 03:07.10 | Tain | I'm not sure that Decursive could do that much more than it does. More in as far as similar functionality for other things, but I don't think it really can to much further with the way they've changed the game since its release. |
| 03:07.11 | Beladona | ?? |
| 03:07.12 | clad|sleep | I have an XML -> lua table parser |
| 03:07.17 | Beladona | hmm |
| 03:07.18 | clad|sleep | and I think that may be the start of my project =) |
| 03:07.26 | Corrodias | between flights, waiting for respawns, and running across the same land over and over again, i started to really miss guild wars |
| 03:07.27 | clad|sleep | i can parse the files.. and get a recognizable structure. |
| 03:07.33 | Beladona | interesting |
| 03:07.35 | clad|sleep | next step is to parse it into an intelligable table.. |
| 03:07.46 | clad|sleep | then a second pass to generate the html/css blocks |
| 03:07.56 | clad|sleep | once i get that done... the textures are trivial |
| 03:07.57 | Beladona | let me know |
| 03:08.00 | Corrodias | *among flights, etc |
| 03:08.01 | clad|sleep | and i can use AJAX to move shit around even =) |
| 03:08.06 | Beladona | yeah |
| 03:08.21 | Beladona | sounds like you dont need my help, but if you do, you know where to find me |
| 03:09.09 | Codayus | Part of the issue is that the bulk of the benefit to users from decursive doesn't come from the automation, but the speed increase...it'd be a pain to write, but you could modify something like needylist to show lists of people with debuffs sorted by type and by class. |
| 03:09.47 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.52 | futr | damn it, why won't Titan upate my tooltip when I want it to, it only updates as it's shown then no more |
| 03:09.56 | Codayus | Where clicking cast the cure. The decision making is all done by the user then, but it'd provide 90%+ of the benefits. |
| 03:10.02 | Beladona | leave it to blizzard. THey will either let it slide, or do something about it |
| 03:10.08 | Beladona | either way, I won't use it |
| 03:11.14 | Beladona | I gotta figure out how to pick specific files out of a zip, without using brute force mathing |
| 03:11.21 | Beladona | matching* |
| 03:11.24 | Beladona | in php |
| 03:16.50 | Tain | Pay illegal aliens pennies a day? |
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| 03:18.15 | zeeg | ok so im late |
| 03:18.22 | zeeg | but i actually edited cladhaires page |
| 03:18.26 | zeeg | to fix her links, you should thank me ;0 |
| 03:18.49 | zeeg | granted i dont like the idea of everyone throwing links up saying "go here instead" |
| 03:18.53 | zeeg | but *shrugs* |
| 03:21.00 | Beladona | do you ever post wowguru links at wowi? |
| 03:22.36 | Cairenn | along with ui.wow and cg |
| 03:22.52 | Cairenn | if we don't have what the user is looking for on our site |
| 03:23.14 | Cairenn | but to Beladona's point ... do you ever post wowguru links (along with all your other sites) in this channel? |
| 03:23.26 | Beladona | I see it this way |
| 03:23.45 | Beladona | users post links to other sites, only if they feel the other site has something the current one doesnt |
| 03:24.00 | Cairenn | and at least they haven't pulled the mod |
| 03:24.10 | Cairenn | your users can still get the mod(s) from your site |
| 03:24.36 | Cairenn | the author is just trying to centralize where they provide support ... that isn't unreasonable |
| 03:24.44 | Beladona | now if one of us went to wowguru and started spamming wowi links just for the hell of it, that is a problem |
| 03:24.48 | zeeg | i dont ever post links anywhere |
| 03:24.59 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 03:25.03 | zeeg | but im talking in their descriptions like "Im not updating here anymore, go to here" - bugs me, but I allow it, and I usually fix it |
| 03:25.04 | zeeg | well |
| 03:25.10 | Beladona | the users don't have an affiliation, they see all sites as part of the whole pie |
| 03:25.11 | zeeg | i used to post on wow.com, but i dont do anything anymore |
| 03:25.14 | zeeg | and havent for a while |
| 03:26.01 | Beladona | they just like the new portal system |
| 03:26.03 | Cairenn | yet, using the exact one you quoted - clad's ... he didn't say he isn't updating there any more, he still is ... he just asks that folks use his portal for *support* |
| 03:26.11 | Beladona | it wouldn't matter if it was at wowguru or wowi |
| 03:26.17 | Cairenn | perhaps that was a poor example on your part? |
| 03:26.22 | Beladona | they would like it either way, because of what they can do with it |
| 03:26.34 | zeeg | Cairenn, ive seen some things that say "moved to here" but you guys mentioned portals |
| 03:26.38 | zeeg | and ui.wow deleting em |
| 03:26.45 | zeeg | i was just commenting that I actually fixed the links on hers so they work :P |
| 03:26.50 | Beladona | actually clad did |
| 03:26.54 | Beladona | I know nothing about that |
| 03:27.43 | Cairenn | but comparing clad saying to go to his portal *for support* to some other author saying "I don't update here any more, go somewhere else" isn't the same thing at all |
| 03:28.00 | zeeg | was just throwing things out there |
| 03:28.07 | zeeg | i couldnt remember what hers said |
| 03:29.15 | Cairenn | "zeeg: ok so im late |
| 03:29.15 | Cairenn | zeeg: but i actually edited cladhaires page |
| 03:29.15 | Cairenn | zeeg: to fix her links, you should thank me ;0 |
| 03:29.16 | Cairenn | zeeg: granted i dont like the idea of everyone throwing links up saying "go here instead" |
| 03:29.16 | Cairenn | zeeg: but *shrugs*" |
| 03:29.33 | Cairenn | you compared them, when they aren't the same thing |
| 03:30.39 | zeeg | ok? |
| 03:33.52 | Beladona | I don't know what is or is not being done with wowi links on your site zeeg. I don't really care. The way I see it, if you want to do it, you will, and you can. We can't tell you how to run your site. But users see everything we do on our sites, and it DOES affect their attitude towards those sites |
| 03:34.12 | Beladona | that isn't to accuse you of anything |
| 03:34.23 | zeeg | im not doing anything, it was more along the lines of me stating i dont/dont plan on to |
| 03:34.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 03:34.34 | zeeg | 1) im too busy to go remove links, the only stuff i remove is spam on our forums |
| 03:34.38 | zeeg | and 2), theres no reason |
| 03:36.28 | Cairenn | man, it is always so funky when it's snowing at night, yet the light is such that you'd think it was clear & the moon should be out |
| 03:37.09 | Cairenn | it's so bright, and yet it's overcast and snowing |
| 03:37.26 | Cairenn | looks really odd ... and the "colour" of the light is odd, too |
| 03:37.33 | zeeg | mmhmm |
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| 03:41.40 | Guillotine | welcome Codex :) |
| 03:41.48 | Codex | heh anyone else here? :) |
| 03:41.52 | Guillotine | lots of people |
| 03:42.00 | Codex | ONLINE? |
| 03:42.00 | Codex | lol |
| 03:42.04 | Guillotine | purl, say hi |
| 03:42.05 | purl | hi |
| 03:42.17 | Codex | sarf is sleeping >< |
| 03:42.30 | Guillotine | cairenn and zeeg were just talking... I think their scared of you though ;) |
| 03:42.38 | Codex | heh everyones afraid of me lol |
| 03:42.54 | Codex | k guill, wanna help me with the dependency now? |
| 03:43.10 | ForgottenLords | Do I have to request a portal for my mod? |
| 03:43.20 | Cairenn | FL, you just have to enable :) |
| 03:43.21 | Codex | ooh i know forgottenlords :) |
| 03:43.33 | Codex | well, i know his mods lol |
| 03:43.34 | Cairenn | front page, left side menu :) |
| 03:43.42 | Guillotine | Codex is somewhere above 4k mods on his comp >_< |
| 03:43.49 | Codex | 1448 lol |
| 03:43.53 | Guillotine | oh. still a ton |
| 03:43.57 | ForgottenLords | Ok, cool Cairenn, thanks |
| 03:44.03 | Codex | if i have a mount list, how do i make it check the inventory for the mount and use it? |
| 03:44.06 | Cairenn | ForgottenLords: np hun :) |
| 03:44.27 | Codex | guill? |
| 03:45.01 | Guillotine | check that mod I linked you. they have a function for it |
| 03:45.08 | Codex | k lemme see |
| 03:46.14 | Codex | im just gonna steal his localization file with the names lol |
| 03:46.27 | Guillotine | just give him credit somewhere so he doesn't get mad ;) |
| 03:47.04 | Codex | i will :) |
| 03:47.34 | Codex | nvmd his mount list is outdated lol |
| 03:47.43 | Guillotine | and be sure to mention in there somewhere that kremonte smells like rotten tuna ;) |
| 03:48.06 | Guillotine | guess he fell asleep at the computer again... |
| 03:48.32 | futr | Guillotine, that's been an easteregg in my mod since the beggining ;'] |
| 03:48.42 | Guillotine | futr: I know |
| 03:48.46 | Guillotine | well, not exactly that |
| 03:49.16 | futrtrubl | my mod smells like rotten tuna? |
| 03:49.37 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 03:49.46 | Guillotine | no, I was saying you didn't say exactly that about kremonte |
| 03:50.02 | futrtrubl | ahh, no, but close enough |
| 03:50.37 | futrtrubl | it's more about his habbits that cause the smell |
| 03:51.16 | Guillotine | rawr |
| 03:51.27 | Guillotine | gryphen is slacking on the job |
| 03:51.36 | Guillotine | and the flight paths are too long |
| 03:52.32 | futrtrubl | this is so much more entertaining than trying to code around Titan ;'] |
| 03:55.15 | Guillotine | so, is there actually any advantage of Boss panel over titan? |
| 03:55.28 | Guillotine | it seems to be replacing it, but I'm not going to switch unless there's a specific reason to |
| 03:55.31 | futrtrubl | Boss panel? linkie? |
| 03:55.58 | Codex | guill, this is crazy, he has a getonmount, usemount, summonmount, castmount |
| 03:55.59 | Codex | lol |
| 03:56.05 | Codex | too many functions! |
| 03:56.13 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=34&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 03:56.15 | Codex | which one do i call rofl |
| 03:56.38 | Codayus | Titan annoys me by being buggy and repositioning stuff occasionally when I don't want it to. I've heard its also a resource hog, although I can't confirm that directly. |
| 03:58.05 | futrtrubl | Codayus, I can pretty much confirm that by looking at its code |
| 03:58.20 | futrtrubl | I like Boss Panel, nothing to code around ;'] |
| 03:59.02 | futrtrubl | If people used it I would code for it... but people won't use it if no-one codes for it... |
| 03:59.31 | Codayus | Well, it's got support already for hmm, 95% or so of what I used titan for. |
| 03:59.42 | Codayus | And since it doesn't annoy me like titan did...I've swapped. :-) |
| 04:00.05 | futrtrubl | great, another plugin I have to write. |
| 04:00.16 | Cairenn | I still like Bhaldie, but to each their own |
| 04:00.31 | Codayus | I never got around to trying Bhaldie, so I can't comment on it. :-) |
| 04:00.49 | Cairenn | and heck, there's still nothing wrong with Telo's, either |
| 04:01.54 | Cairenn | there's a fairly comprehensive listing of the various ones around, in this thread: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3769 |
| 04:03.09 | Guillotine | would someone link the lua manual plz? |
| 04:03.41 | Gryphen | Google |
| 04:03.53 | Guillotine | I'm too lazy. and you're not working |
| 04:03.54 | Guillotine | rawr |
| 04:03.56 | Guillotine | see? |
| 04:04.00 | Beladona | or wowwiki |
| 04:04.02 | Gryphen | only at work do i work |
| 04:04.04 | Beladona | has a link to it |
| 04:04.53 | futrtrubl | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/ |
| 04:05.02 | Beladona | damn you |
| 04:05.14 | Beladona | I was going to link google and make him at least work a little for the manual |
| 04:05.14 | futrtrubl | oops |
| 04:05.16 | Beladona | http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=LUA+5.0+Manual&btnG=Google+Search |
| 04:05.21 | Guillotine | thank you futrtrubl |
| 04:05.26 | Guillotine | for not being evil |
| 04:05.29 | Guillotine | making me do work is evil |
| 04:05.38 | futrtrubl | I prefer the quick reference though |
| 04:05.47 | Guillotine | and I'm actually linking it for someone that wants to learn LUA |
| 04:06.18 | futrtrubl | ok, now is unconsionably lazy |
| 04:06.23 | Maldivia | Hmm, anyone knows what Model:SetCamera(index) does ? |
| 04:06.29 | futrtrubl | now that* is.... |
| 04:15.52 | Beladona | night all |
| 04:16.28 | futrtrubl | who was it that said I might be able to use getfenv()[key] as a sort of getlocal() func? well anyways, that doesn't work |
| 04:16.35 | Iriel | Maldivia : I dont know, does it correlate with the views a all? |
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| 04:16.42 | Iriel | futrtrubl : You can't reference locals by name, period |
| 04:16.50 | Iriel | futrtrubl : Whoever told you you could was mistaken |
| 04:16.58 | futrtrubl | ahh, pity |
| 04:17.07 | Maldivia | Iriel: well, it seems that SetCamera(1) makes it show the portrait |
| 04:17.15 | Maldivia | but no idea what other indexes there are |
| 04:17.25 | Guillotine | I KNEW there was a point to the valentines day items. If you use the ring to unbreak people's hearts, it doesn't use the global cooldown, but it turns you towards your target. great for making a bot with the standard UI :P |
| 04:17.50 | Shadowd | Guillotine: You can do that by trying to fire a bow/gun/crossbow too :P |
| 04:17.53 | futrtrubl | Guillotine, does it work on hostiles? |
| 04:18.01 | Guillotine | futrtrubl: yup |
| 04:18.17 | Guillotine | Shadowd: but thats a slight problems as a druid (no ranged weapon) |
| 04:18.26 | Guillotine | and that WILL pull them |
| 04:18.29 | futrtrubl | and pallies |
| 04:18.35 | Guillotine | and shaman |
| 04:18.47 | Guillotine | but if you don't want to attack (you just want to face them), you can use this |
| 04:19.13 | Shadowd | Can you use that then cast a spell in a macro? |
| 04:19.18 | futrtrubl | hmmm, bg flag carrier detector |
| 04:19.43 | Guillotine | Shadowd: yes |
| 04:19.45 | Shadowd | futrtrubl: Sounds interesting, whats that? |
| 04:20.01 | Guillotine | indeed. what does that do? |
| 04:20.11 | futrtrubl | you could use it to point you to the enemies flag carrier in warsong, if he's hiding |
| 04:20.35 | Shadowd | I just tried it, they have to be in range of it. Meaning it'll only work if they're within I believe it's 8-10 yards |
| 04:20.59 | Shadowd | It's easier to just type /tar <name> and wait till your spells go in range, since you can usually figure out where they are from that |
| 04:21.08 | futrtrubl | damn blizzard, killing exploits before we can make use of them ;'] |
| 04:21.33 | futrtrubl | Shadowd, that's less precise and they could be moving too |
| 04:21.34 | Guillotine | lol |
| 04:21.50 | Shadowd | futrtrubl: If you don't have a range you shouldn't be going for the flag! :p |
| 04:21.54 | Guillotine | ya, you do have to be in range. but it still works for melee combat to always be facing them |
| 04:22.13 | Guillotine | for example, so that rogue's can never backstab you |
| 04:22.17 | futrtrubl | not going for the flag, going for the carrier |
| 04:22.37 | futrtrubl | ahh, you can spam it, of course |
| 04:22.38 | Shadowd | Wonder how hard making something that "pings" the minimap with the about location of a carrier. |
| 04:22.51 | futrtrubl | how so Wobin_? |
| 04:23.14 | Wobin_ | According to Blizzard, they're barring me from connecting to the NA servers from China |
| 04:23.16 | Guillotine | Shadowd: how would that be possible? |
| 04:23.23 | Cairenn | (OT - omg, I so shouldn't be laughing, but I can't help it: http://www.smithappens.com/video_tdscheney.php |
| 04:23.25 | Wobin_ | I have to go buy a chinese copy and log into the chinese servers |
| 04:23.40 | Cairenn | Wobin_: I still don't see how they can do that |
| 04:23.43 | Shadowd | Guillotine: Check range of melee weapons and ranged spells going by who you think has the flag. |
| 04:23.44 | Wobin_ | Nor I |
| 04:23.59 | Wobin_ | It's ridiculous |
| 04:24.26 | Wobin_ | I'm fully aware that being outside the region can lead to latency issues, and I'm perfectly willing to accept those |
| 04:24.31 | futrtrubl | Shadowd: still have the hardware event and cursor position problems |
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| 04:25.07 | Cairenn | Wobin_: "While it is possible to acquire a copy for another region it is not recommended as we cannot guarantee the game play quality from outside of the intended region." ... almost sounds like you still can |
| 04:25.09 | Shadowd | I mean for pinging the minimap. Since both my addon and Battlefield Commander let you ping it, sorry wasn't very specific. |
| 04:25.17 | futrtrubl | I hope they don't make a set of south american/carribean servers, then I'm screwed |
| 04:25.27 | Wobin_ | Yeah, that page is... nice and ambiguous =P |
| 04:25.43 | Shadowd | *battlefield minimap |
| 04:25.43 | Cairenn | Wobin_: You should be able to travel and play the game from overseas, provided you have an account in your home region |
| 04:25.53 | Wobin_ | This is from the email the techsupport sent me: |
| 04:25.54 | Wobin_ | Quality and customer service are the highest priorities for Blizzard Entertainment. Because we cannot guarantee a positive gaming experience for users connecting to servers outside their supported region, we are not initially permitting users to connect to regions other than their home region. |
| 04:26.18 | Wobin_ | And -that-, in my opinion, is unacceptable |
| 04:26.45 | Wobin_ | Sure, warn users that travelling outside the region will cause issues, but don't -bar- them from the servers! |
| 04:26.48 | futrtrubl | not being able to play constitutes a non-"positive gaming experience" |
| 04:26.55 | Wobin_ | pfeh |
| 04:27.10 | Wobin_ | I was perfectly able to play =P |
| 04:27.21 | Wobin_ | I had better latency than back home in Australia =P |
| 04:27.28 | futrtrubl | what they are doing is making it not able to play |
| 04:27.42 | futrtrubl | is what I meant |
| 04:27.45 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 04:27.46 | Cairenn | so have you tried logging in? you haven't actually made that clear yet ;) |
| 04:27.51 | Wobin_ | Oh, I have. |
| 04:27.58 | Wobin_ | I get past the authentication etc |
| 04:28.07 | Cairenn | and then? |
| 04:28.08 | Wobin_ | Then I get dropped to the Choose Realm page |
| 04:28.24 | Wobin_ | And no matter what realm I choose I get either bounced back to the CR page or disconnected |
| 04:28.38 | Wobin_ | It goes "Logging into Game server", then back to the CR page |
| 04:28.43 | Cairenn | what time did you try? don't forget that it was Tuesday maintenance for NA servers today ... |
| 04:28.56 | Wobin_ | Oh, aye, both before and after the maint |
| 04:29.25 | futrtrubl | yeah, the servers would have to be up for yuou to be able to select them |
| 04:29.42 | Cairenn | btw, I'm not trying to imply you are an idiot (if I were, I wouldn't imply, I'd outright state ;) ) ... just ... boggled by it |
| 04:29.54 | Cairenn | *I am just |
| 04:30.15 | Wobin_ | Oh yeah =) I'm completely amazed they came up with that too =) |
| 04:35.48 | Iriel | And you're not being blocked by your own windows firewall or anything? |
| 04:35.51 | Iriel | Being patch day, and all |
| 04:37.32 | Wobin_ | not afaik, I've opened all the possible ports as I can |
| 04:37.40 | Wobin_ | and I downloaded the patch fine |
| 04:42.06 | MentalPower | ~lart zeeg |
| 04:43.01 | zeeg | O.o |
| 04:43.14 | MentalPower | ~lart me |
| 04:43.33 | Wobin_ | Steve? Steve Jobs? Is that you? |
| 04:43.54 | MentalPower | err... sure... |
| 04:44.29 | Wobin_ | oh wait. 150 years |
| 04:44.33 | Wobin_ | It'd better be a small apple |
| 05:03.35 | futrtrubl | ok guys, later, sweet dreams or whatever you'll be doing with significant others |
| 05:06.59 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 05:07.39 | Shouryuu | nighty |
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| 05:13.30 | Guillotine_ | shouryuu! |
| 05:13.36 | Shouryuu | rrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 05:13.51 | Guillotine | <3 the troll |
| 05:14.03 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 05:16.16 | Wobin_ | okay, can anyone tell me what ports are required for WoW? I want to start from scratch |
| 05:17.44 | Iriel | I believe that's on the blizzard site somewhere |
| 05:17.46 | Iriel | Google may help |
| 05:20.37 | zeeg | did you all see this |
| 05:20.47 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/articles/12157/world-of-warcraft-backs-down-on-gay-rights-issue.html |
| 05:21.52 | Wobin_ | Last week or so, zeeg |
| 05:21.58 | zeeg | ya i know, i was slow :( |
| 05:23.41 | Wobin_ | *sigh* |
| 05:23.53 | Wobin_ | Well, in regards to testing, if the port is not open, you can't authenticate |
| 05:24.12 | Wobin_ | I can authenticate, just not get any further in terms of logging into a server =( |
| 05:27.34 | Shouryuu | that;s wrong |
| 05:27.37 | Shouryuu | the gay thing |
| 05:27.44 | Shouryuu | it's opening the door to homphobia |
| 05:28.43 | Shouryuu | and the gay friendly guilds are more like gay only guilds... Imagine the uproar if you had white only guilds |
| 05:29.31 | MentalPower | honestly I would not mind, freedom is freedom |
| 05:29.48 | Shouryuu | white only guilds wouldn't bother you? |
| 05:29.56 | MentalPower | no |
| 05:30.00 | Shouryuu | how about if they kicked out a player because they learnt he was jew |
| 05:30.36 | MentalPower | in my mind thats no different than being kicked out for not raiding enough |
| 05:30.52 | Shouryuu | and believe me I don't like those guilds neither |
| 05:31.02 | Iriel | I'm not sure where you get the implication that gay friendly == gay only |
| 05:31.24 | MentalPower | me neither |
| 05:31.25 | Shouryuu | true it isn't written |
| 05:32.17 | Wobin_ | Meh. There's no way to enforce an 'X' only guild |
| 05:32.21 | Wobin_ | not in reality |
| 05:32.30 | Shouryuu | yeah I guess |
| 05:32.49 | MentalPower | unless the X is based on a game fact |
| 05:32.49 | Wobin_ | Sure, a homophobe could join a gay friendly or 'gay only' guild |
| 05:32.56 | Wobin_ | but why would they? |
| 05:33.05 | Guillotine | to flame. it happens. believe me |
| 05:33.08 | MentalPower | like in-game race or in-game raiding skills/participation |
| 05:33.09 | Shouryuu | but even, allowing her to breach the game's term of service is just opening the door to homophobia/racism whatever |
| 05:33.11 | Wobin_ | Like my tauren only guild "a little more cowbell" |
| 05:33.16 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 05:33.24 | Guillotine | like makinga LOTR fan guild to have ppl join and flame LOTR |
| 05:33.40 | Wobin_ | Guillotine: So, they join, they flame, they get booted from the guild for harassment |
| 05:33.48 | Wobin_ | No different to any other guild |
| 05:33.52 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 05:33.53 | Guillotine | tru |
| 05:33.55 | Guillotine | true* |
| 05:34.07 | MentalPower | but the point is she's not breaching the ToS |
| 05:34.18 | Guillotine | right |
| 05:34.24 | Wobin_ | That was the point of the complaint, yes =) |
| 05:34.26 | Guillotine | it sounds like it was just a homophobic GM |
| 05:34.32 | Shouryuu | well if she has, it's wrong that she gets excuses for |
| 05:34.35 | MentalPower | probably |
| 05:34.40 | Wobin_ | Anyway. I'm off to buy PS2 games and memory and stuff |
| 05:35.56 | Guillotine | g2g all. gn |
| 05:36.21 | Guillotine | and a special Valentine's Day RTFM |
| 05:36.28 | Guillotine | to all |
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| 05:48.38 | zeeg | whats the wow font again? |
| 05:48.53 | Kolth | FRIZQT? |
| 05:48.57 | MentalPower | Fritz Quadrata |
| 05:49.35 | zeeg | thanks |
| 05:50.29 | zeeg | trying to setup a new "temporary" design on wowguru |
| 05:50.33 | zeeg | thats.. more compact |
| 06:06.48 | MentalPower | goodnight guys and gals |
| 06:15.21 | AnduinLothar | Food! |
| 06:17.15 | Kolth | hi |
| 06:21.01 | Kolth | Anyone using BossPanel? |
| 06:45.00 | Tem | I was briefly |
| 06:45.03 | Tem | but it's buggy as hell |
| 06:45.19 | Tem | my interactinos with the authot haven't exactly been positive either |
| 06:45.30 | Tem | so I've dumped it for Tain's titan |
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| 07:20.52 | Shouryuu | man organised AB are fun |
| 07:26.17 | zeetg | quarry, two r's? |
| 07:26.19 | zeetg | or quary |
| 07:26.21 | zeetg | i think its 2 |
| 07:26.22 | zeetg | it looks right, haha |
| 07:26.24 | Kolth | two |
| 07:29.37 | Kalroth | google if in doubt! |
| 07:30.04 | zeetg | meh |
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| 08:02.06 | namxo | plop :) |
| 08:02.24 | namxo | what's the better way to make modular addon ? (to save memory usage) |
| 08:02.58 | namxo | (user choose, which function he uses, then, the addon only load these functions) |
| 08:05.34 | Shouryuu | well, I'd say come back with that question when it isn't too late :P |
| 08:06.15 | namxo | it's 9am here ;) |
| 08:06.15 | Shouryuu | most of the knowlegable people are sleeping right now |
| 08:06.15 | Shouryuu | well then come back latter :P |
| 08:06.29 | namxo | xD |
| 08:08.02 | Shouryuu | or you can post at WoWI, I'm sure you'll get an answer there |
| 08:08.28 | namxo | wowi ? |
| 08:08.48 | Wobin_ | www.wowinterface.com |
| 08:08.54 | namxo | ok thanks ;) |
| 08:09.03 | Corrodias | ah, these assholes compressed an encoded .avi into a .zip file. |
| 08:09.18 | namxo | lol |
| 08:09.24 | Corrodias | they saved 0.4mb and in the process doubled the amount of free space you have to have in order to watch it, since you have to extract it |
| 08:10.14 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 08:16.26 | id` | mornin |
| 08:16.42 | namxo | _matin_ (in french) |
| 08:16.43 | namxo | :) |
| 08:16.56 | id` | :) |
| 08:17.01 | zeetg | wtf |
| 08:17.05 | zeetg | anyone know anything about wc3 map creation |
| 08:17.13 | id` | goede morgen (in dutch) |
| 08:17.24 | namxo | ;p |
| 08:17.50 | id` | it r teh zeet gangsta |
| 08:17.52 | id` | what up |
| 08:18.20 | id` | ¯\(º_o)/¯ |
| 08:19.42 | namxo | id` look the very good topic "make modular addon" in lua script section |
| 08:19.43 | namxo | ;) |
| 08:24.37 | id` | <-- noob :( |
| 08:24.42 | namxo | :p |
| 08:24.46 | id` | well, kinda :d |
| 08:27.02 | wereHamster | namxo, wait for 1.10 and use loadstring() or load all functions and delete the functions you don't need |
| 08:27.19 | Shouryuu | t francais? |
| 08:27.27 | namxo | non je fais semblant ;) |
| 08:27.40 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 08:27.56 | namxo | wait wereHamster, i go to read the us forum about loadstring |
| 08:28.40 | wereHamster | But I'd recomment the later, with loadstring() the debugging will be quite hard |
| 08:28.42 | namxo | hum no information about loadstring |
| 08:28.57 | namxo | i will go to read lua doc :) |
| 08:29.06 | wereHamster | namxo, it's a lua function.. |
| 08:29.17 | namxo | looks my last sentence ;=) |
| 08:30.45 | namxo | hum put all functions in many loadstring don't seems well |
| 08:31.25 | namxo | loadfile works in wow ? |
| 08:36.32 | wereHamster | no |
| 08:37.47 | namxo | what's the function of assert ? documentation don't help me |
| 08:39.09 | wereHamster | from the lua homepage: The assert function checks whether its first argument is not false and simply returns that argument; if the argument is false (that is, false or nil), assert raises an error. |
| 08:39.40 | namxo | so i don't know why jim use it often in cooldown pulse :| |
| 08:40.35 | Shouryuu | jim the inventor? |
| 08:40.43 | namxo | yep |
| 08:41.17 | namxo | i look for an addon modular in curse-gaming, to find the way to do that |
| 08:43.31 | wereHamster | namxo, unless your addon will use 5mb of memory, I wouldn't care about the memory usage or how to lower it |
| 08:44.03 | namxo | in fact, i don't want a "factory" addon (i don't know if factory has sense in english) |
| 08:44.14 | namxo | i want make an addon with lots of function, but people enable what them want |
| 08:44.29 | wereHamster | library |
| 08:44.37 | namxo | ok, but how ? |
| 08:44.45 | namxo | i don't know very well lua :( |
| 08:45.10 | sarf|stuff | namxo> you don't want to create an addon that has a lot of stuff and no way of turning it off, I gather? |
| 08:45.19 | wereHamster | namxo, how many functions will your library have? 10? 100? |
| 08:45.40 | namxo | 10 mains, each main with 10/15 subs |
| 08:45.52 | namxo | yep sarf|stuff |
| 08:45.56 | sarf|stuff | Don't worry about memory usage then |
| 08:46.00 | namxo | i want a very light addon |
| 08:46.12 | sarf|stuff | You could divide into ten addons then load the addons on demand. |
| 08:46.20 | wereHamster | lua is very efficient.. |
| 08:46.20 | namxo | sarf|stuff forget, i dont want an addon like ct_raidassist |
| 08:46.31 | sarf|stuff | Yah, I understand |
| 08:46.32 | namxo | ct_raidassist sux, if you want it for the frame, you must have all stupids functions ;p |
| 08:46.36 | wereHamster | namxo, yeah, but CTRA also has an UI |
| 08:46.40 | namxo | i don't want do the same with my addon |
| 08:46.52 | sarf|stuff | Alright, I'd do it like this: |
| 08:46.57 | namxo | sarf|stuff : divide addons, is one way i look for |
| 08:47.04 | wereHamster | namxo, if you'll have only function, don't bother about the memory usage |
| 08:47.14 | sarf|stuff | make a "central" addon. Each function in it only loads another addon (which then replaces those functions) |
| 08:47.20 | namxo | read me again wereHamster please :) |
| 08:47.22 | sarf|stuff | Then make small addons |
| 08:47.33 | sarf|stuff | and load them on demand |
| 08:47.44 | namxo | i thinks it's a good way sarf|stuff, and it's the way i prefer |
| 08:47.50 | namxo | but i look for an other way (maybe a better way ?) |
| 08:48.02 | sarf|stuff | Yeah. Also, remember, if all addons are loaded, then people *want* to use all addons... |
| 08:48.03 | namxo | i want be sure it's the better way :) |
| 08:48.16 | sarf|stuff | The problem is this: you can not re-load an addon |
| 08:48.17 | namxo | or people are noobs |
| 08:48.23 | namxo | and don't know how disable the addons ;) |
| 08:48.24 | sarf|stuff | That too :) |
| 08:48.34 | sarf|stuff | Nah, that's why you are using LoadOnDemand: 1 |
| 08:48.51 | namxo | oh i can unload/load/unload/load an addon "loadondemand" ? |
| 08:48.54 | namxo | can't sorry |
| 08:49.01 | sarf|stuff | You can load on demand. |
| 08:49.04 | sarf|stuff | But not unload. |
| 08:49.08 | sarf|stuff | and not load again. |
| 08:49.12 | sarf|stuff | hence, if you remove functions you can not re-load them |
| 08:49.12 | namxo | hum :( |
| 08:49.32 | sarf|stuff | That's why CT_RA is trying to split up (you know, into BossMods) |
| 08:49.44 | namxo | yep |
| 08:49.44 | sarf|stuff | so that only if necessary will the other addon be loaded. |
| 08:50.26 | namxo | is it possible to load an addon "loadondemand 1" without the "core" addon ? |
| 08:50.34 | sarf|stuff | Yes... |
| 08:50.39 | sarf|stuff | But the addon must be loaded someway |
| 08:50.40 | namxo | automatically ? |
| 08:50.45 | namxo | oh ok :( |
| 08:51.13 | wereHamster | function myEntryPoint(...) if (not IsAddOnLoaded("myFunctionImpl") then LoadAddOn("myFunctionImpl") end return myFunctionImpl() end |
| 08:51.29 | sarf|stuff | wereHamster> actually... |
| 08:51.43 | sarf|stuff | (but a good point) |
| 08:51.44 | namxo | i think a good way to have this : |
| 08:51.57 | namxo | hum no forget ;p |
| 08:52.09 | sarf|stuff | function myEntryPoint(...) if (not IsAddOnLoaded("myFunctionImpl") then LoadAddOn("myFunctionImpl") setglobal("myEntryPoint", myFunctionImpl); end return myFunctionImpl() end |
| 08:52.22 | sarf|stuff | Depending on where you want the setglobalto be |
| 08:52.34 | wereHamster | sarf|stuff, yep.. :-) |
| 08:52.51 | sarf|stuff | namxo> Essentially, I'd say : make a big addon, check its memory footprint |
| 08:53.03 | namxo | i don't want a big addon |
| 08:53.13 | namxo | it's against my phylosophie |
| 08:53.16 | sarf|stuff | If footprint > namxoWantedFootprint then splitIntoSeveralSmallAddons(); end |
| 08:53.27 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, I understand |
| 08:53.29 | namxo | philosophy |
| 08:53.29 | namxo | :p |
| 08:53.36 | sarf|stuff | however, there are issues with several small addons |
| 08:53.45 | wereHamster | as I said, function don't use much memory, it's the data (big tables etc.) and UI.. |
| 08:53.59 | namxo | as i said "it's against my philosophy" |
| 08:53.59 | namxo | :) |
| 08:54.02 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 08:54.21 | sarf|stuff | The problem is that the tool you have make perfect solutions all but impossible |
| 08:54.31 | id` | i use 43 addons @ 16MB ram usage |
| 08:54.32 | sarf|stuff | load on demand addons is probably the only way |
| 08:54.37 | id` | no wait, i have 35 atm |
| 08:54.41 | id` | whatever |
| 08:54.42 | id` | ;p |
| 08:54.51 | namxo | i look for addon can be alone, and use together, with an other addon "myaddon_ui" to load or not load them |
| 08:54.57 | namxo | but i think it's impossible :( |
| 08:54.59 | sarf|stuff | namxo> of course, you can split addons up so each addon only has one function |
| 08:55.05 | wereHamster | so what's against your philosophy, to have big addons (is terms of many lines of code) or addons that use much memory (when loaded) |
| 08:55.15 | sarf|stuff | (or both ^^ ) |
| 08:55.16 | sarf|stuff | ANyhow! |
| 08:55.17 | id` | sarf|stuff: does load on demand mean that its not loaded into memory until needed, but when you close the UI window that load on demand it will be in memory until you log out? |
| 08:55.26 | sarf|stuff | Correct. |
| 08:55.27 | namxo | yep id` |
| 08:55.37 | sarf|stuff | Except it's a function, not necessarily a I window ;) |
| 08:55.38 | id` | hmm |
| 08:55.40 | sarf|stuff | *UI |
| 08:55.41 | id` | yah |
| 08:55.52 | id` | thats pretty uncool |
| 08:55.53 | sarf|stuff | and you can't reload a load-on-demanded addon |
| 08:56.11 | sarf|stuff | so you can't just erase the functions you don't want and reload if you want more either |
| 08:56.22 | id` | yeh |
| 08:56.27 | namxo | in fact a will make many little addons, works alone (without loademand 1) |
| 08:56.38 | id` | i can nil all references to the UI window and let it GC |
| 08:56.40 | id` | hehe |
| 08:56.42 | sarf|stuff | yep |
| 08:56.44 | namxo | each have /cmd config, but to have ui config, you must have "myaddons_ui" |
| 08:56.54 | sarf|stuff | yeah |
| 08:57.00 | namxo | these addons looks for little addons loaded |
| 08:57.03 | id` | namxo: i'm trying to do that too |
| 08:57.05 | namxo | then add panels in ui to set up them |
| 08:57.10 | namxo | i think it's a good way :) |
| 08:57.11 | sarf|stuff | allow them to do /cmd ui which loads myaddons_ui |
| 08:57.40 | namxo | myaddons_ui can be loademand 1 yep :) |
| 08:57.53 | sarf|stuff | namxo> I'd recommend using a registering table or something so that myaddons_ui is not "static" |
| 08:58.06 | id` | namxo: wowace.com , take a look :> |
| 08:58.19 | namxo | what do you mean with "static" ? |
| 08:58.30 | namxo | i know, but it's a library |
| 08:58.37 | namxo | i don't like impose library :) |
| 08:58.43 | sarf|stuff | like myaddons_list. in each little one you do : if not myaddons_list then myaddons_list={}; end table.insert(myaddons_list, "SomethingThatIndicatesThatIAmHere"); |
| 08:58.43 | id` | its not a library |
| 08:58.54 | namxo | itis :p |
| 08:58.57 | id` | its not |
| 08:59.10 | namxo | yep sarf|stuff, then it will be easier to list the littles addons ;) |
| 08:59.12 | namxo | it is :p |
| 08:59.16 | id` | its not |
| 08:59.23 | namxo | it is xD |
| 08:59.23 | sarf|stuff | PENGUINS"! |
| 08:59.27 | id` | its noT! |
| 08:59.33 | namxo | it is :p |
| 08:59.38 | sarf|stuff | OK, breakfast time |
| 08:59.52 | sarf|stuff | if you both are at it when I get back, I shall smack you soundly with a trout. Twice. |
| 08:59.56 | id` | namxo: its what you want to make now, have your addons register with one addon to make that one addon serve a purpose all the others can use |
| 09:00.07 | id` | namxo: its not some blind collection of 1000 functions |
| 09:00.17 | namxo | "ace is a lightweight and powerful systems for building wow addons. it is a new approcha to addon developement, eblabla, freeing them from repeating common tasks" |
| 09:00.21 | namxo | it is a library |
| 09:00.21 | namxo | :) |
| 09:00.26 | id` | its not |
| 09:00.32 | id` | read what i said |
| 09:00.48 | id` | a library is making what you think that might be useful some day |
| 09:00.53 | namxo | yep and what you said is a library |
| 09:00.55 | id` | a framework is not a library |
| 09:01.26 | namxo | a framework it's a stupid work, you know why ? because you can say all you want with "framework" word :) |
| 09:01.37 | id` | eh.. ? |
| 09:01.46 | id` | well whatever |
| 09:02.02 | namxo | really, framework have no exact definition |
| 09:02.16 | id` | well you didnt even take a look at it |
| 09:02.29 | namxo | i've already look at it |
| 09:02.32 | namxo | and i look again |
| 09:02.34 | id` | so you have no base to make aquisitions on |
| 09:02.51 | namxo | and i use it too (not for my addons, but for other addons) |
| 09:03.08 | id` | Kolth: whatever my english isnt perfect either |
| 09:03.11 | namxo | and maybe i will use it for my addons, i look for more deeper |
| 09:03.13 | id` | Kolth: ;x |
| 09:03.18 | namxo | BUT : IT'S A LIBRARY |
| 09:03.19 | namxo | :p |
| 09:03.27 | id` | not |
| 09:03.30 | namxo | it's :p |
| 09:03.32 | id` | not |
| 09:03.42 | Kolth | Hey, guys.. Guess what? |
| 09:03.45 | namxo | you must learn what's a library ;) |
| 09:03.49 | namxo | library provides functions |
| 09:04.02 | namxo | ace provides functions to your addons |
| 09:04.05 | namxo | ace is a library |
| 09:04.06 | namxo | :) |
| 09:04.21 | id` | not |
| 09:04.31 | namxo | it's easy to say not ;) |
| 09:04.41 | id` | isn't it |
| 09:04.41 | namxo | i said yes, and i say why |
| 09:04.42 | id` | not |
| 09:04.53 | Kolth | id, hush now. |
| 09:04.56 | id` | i said not and i said why, but i guess you didnt read it |
| 09:05.02 | namxo | i read it |
| 09:05.07 | namxo | but you speak about framework |
| 09:05.12 | id` | ;lkasdjf;lkasdnfh;lakdsgn |
| 09:05.13 | namxo | and framework have not exact definition |
| 09:05.17 | Kolth | hahah id |
| 09:05.22 | namxo | i can say "a car is a framework" |
| 09:05.23 | Kolth | namxo: In code it does. |
| 09:05.30 | namxo | yep a framework concept of a box to go to work |
| 09:05.31 | namxo | :) |
| 09:05.35 | id` | namxo: STFU JEEZUZ |
| 09:05.38 | namxo | lol |
| 09:05.38 | wereHamster | namxo, with your definition 'a library provides functions', every addon is a library ! |
| 09:05.39 | id` | >_< |
| 09:05.54 | namxo | wereHamster to other addons (provides functions to other addons) |
| 09:05.59 | namxo | then not every addon is a library ;) |
| 09:06.10 | Kolth | namxo: Again, AddOns fill that requirement. |
| 09:06.25 | Kolth | AddOns can call other AddOns' functions. |
| 09:06.32 | namxo | but it's not design too |
| 09:06.32 | namxo | :) |
| 09:06.36 | Kolth | Wrong. |
| 09:06.37 | wereHamster | namxo, yeah.. that's what I said.. unless the author is smart enough to make the functions local, all symbols are exportet to the global envoronment |
| 09:06.39 | Kolth | UseByName. |
| 09:06.48 | namxo | and if i want, i make an addon and you CAN'T call function outside of them |
| 09:06.50 | namxo | local function ;) |
| 09:06.59 | Kolth | It's become apparent both of you have no clue what you're talking about. Congratulations. |
| 09:07.06 | namxo | yep wereHamster, but it's not design to |
| 09:07.13 | namxo | ace is design to provides function |
| 09:07.19 | wereHamster | namxo, but an addon that doesn't expose anything to the global environment is useless.. |
| 09:07.26 | namxo | Kolth thanks lol |
| 09:07.26 | id` | A library is made to support other addons, and alot of things are added to it because they might be useful in the future. A framework is made to support other addons, but it will not make you blueberry waffles. the addons using it will. |
| 09:07.32 | namxo | wereHamster maybe ;) |
| 09:07.59 | namxo | a library haven't always many things :) |
| 09:08.15 | namxo | take a library to manage file, you can only have, open, close, gets, write |
| 09:08.17 | id` | xD |
| 09:08.17 | namxo | :) |
| 09:08.17 | Codayus | namxo: I don't believe you quite understand what your talking about. A framework is not the same thing as a library, no matter how much you misuse the word. |
| 09:08.29 | id` | namxo: no, that's be a part of a library |
| 09:08.34 | id` | that'd* |
| 09:08.39 | namxo | Codayus framework have not exact definition. |
| 09:08.46 | namxo | framework is an abstract concept |
| 09:08.51 | namxo | framework it's a trashbin word |
| 09:08.57 | namxo | you can said all you want with framework |
| 09:09.04 | wereHamster | namxo, just for the record, what do you think a 'framework' should have/do/be? |
| 09:09.19 | namxo | i dunno, read again what i'm said |
| 09:09.26 | namxo | "abstract word, trashbin word, etc" |
| 09:09.33 | namxo | no signification for me |
| 09:09.40 | namxo | ror, is a framework, really ? |
| 09:09.54 | id` | yes |
| 09:09.55 | id` | :p |
| 09:09.58 | namxo | framework is too abstract to have a good definition |
| 09:09.59 | Codayus | No. Many people misuse the word, including you. But that doesn't change the fact that it isn't the same thing as a library, it does have a real definition, and you don't have the slightest idea what your talking about. |
| 09:10.07 | namxo | i don't use it Codayus |
| 09:10.10 | namxo | i can't misuse it |
| 09:10.11 | namxo | :p |
| 09:10.19 | Codayus | Would that this were so... |
| 09:10.25 | namxo | lol |
| 09:10.29 | namxo | "you misuse it" |
| 09:10.32 | namxo | "i can't use it" |
| 09:10.35 | namxo | "you must use it" |
| 09:10.37 | namxo | good conversation |
| 09:10.38 | namxo | :) |
| 09:10.43 | id` | namxo: a file management thing wouldnt be a library, but rather a part of a library i.e. lib.io.file or something |
| 09:10.54 | namxo | yep id` and ? |
| 09:11.06 | id` | < namxo> take a library to manage file, you can only have, open, close, gets, write |
| 09:11.09 | id` | :S |
| 09:11.18 | namxo | and ? what's the problem ? |
| 09:11.29 | id` | ok whatever it just only frustrates me |
| 09:11.35 | namxo | lol |
| 09:12.26 | id`wrk | ffs @ freenode |
| 09:12.41 | namxo | 3 frenchs server up |
| 09:12.51 | wereHamster | I'm in.. |
| 09:12.54 | namxo | the most useless xD |
| 09:13.26 | namxo | hum |
| 09:13.31 | namxo | i don't see the channel for "look for guild" |
| 09:15.38 | sarf|stuff | woodchucking coming up :/ |
| 09:15.41 | sarf|stuff | Later everyone |
| 09:21.50 | namxo | ok id`, Ace is a framework |
| 09:23.36 | id` | huzzah, i win |
| 09:24.36 | namxo | lol |
| 09:25.11 | namxo | i'm not silly, i'm ok when i'm wrong |
| 10:24.06 | Wobin_ | right. I'm going to go to a netcafe and see if it's my router or not |
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| 12:08.26 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 12:09.40 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 12:09.54 | Wobin_ | Meh, I'm just having issues with Blizzard atm |
| 12:09.57 | Wobin_ | and a policy of theirs |
| 12:10.13 | AnduinLothar | i'm gonna crash. had 2hrs of sleep last night.. |
| 12:10.21 | AnduinLothar | and it's 4am now |
| 12:11.05 | AnduinLothar | And I have no influence over blizzard yet, nor any official representation |
| 12:11.11 | Wobin_ | Oh I know that =) |
| 12:11.23 | Wobin_ | You're just an available target =) |
| 12:11.29 | Wobin_ | Nothing personal intended whatsoever =) |
| 12:11.29 | AnduinLothar | esp when tired |
| 12:12.06 | Wobin_ | go go, sleep well =) |
| 12:13.12 | wereHamster | good night AnduinLothar.. |
| 12:13.33 | Shouryuu | nighty |
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| 14:58.10 | Shouryuu | rwar |
| 14:59.59 | Shouryuu | does shield increase your resists? |
| 15:00.10 | Wobin_ | not afaik |
| 15:00.15 | Shouryuu | I just resisted about 8 out of 10 cheap shots a friend thew at me |
| 15:00.20 | Wobin_ | it's more a damage thing, no? |
| 15:00.25 | Shouryuu | I've never resisted thos before... |
| 15:00.40 | Shouryuu | absorbtion thing |
| 15:00.45 | Wobin_ | Well it absorbs stuns and the like |
| 15:00.51 | Wobin_ | I think |
| 15:00.55 | Wobin_ | maybe not knockdowns |
| 15:01.06 | Shouryuu | dunno |
| 15:02.35 | Eraphine|Lab | what shield? |
| 15:03.19 | Shouryuu | PW:S |
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| 18:26.39 | Cairenn | oh for the love of ... "Why does Bliz allow Custom Addons?" "I WIN BUTON ADON PLZ HELP" "G15 LCD" ... |
| 18:27.12 | Corrodias | PUSH BUTTON, RECEIVE BACON |
| 18:27.19 | Cairenn | Corrodias: hehehehe |
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| 18:27.57 | Cairenn | I love that avatar of tekkub's ... makes me laugh every singe time I see it |
| 18:28.06 | Corrodias | link? |
| 18:28.45 | Cairenn | I thought that was what you were referring to :p |
| 18:29.17 | Corrodias | ah, it may be the animated .gif version of that one, i suppose |
| 18:29.54 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=20806 |
| 18:29.58 | Cairenn | yup, it is |
| 18:29.58 | Cairenn | it's great |
| 18:30.38 | Corrodias | what's fun is to take the high res version of it, print it big on a sheet of paper, and post it up somewhere reasonably public |
| 18:31.01 | Cairenn | like, above the stupid hand dryers? |
| 18:31.14 | Cairenn | (which don't) |
| 18:31.16 | Corrodias | well, yes, that's one possibility |
| 18:31.48 | Corrodias | they do if you use them right, but you have to be pretty ... "aggressive" to get completely dry before they expire |
| 18:32.19 | Corrodias | and they have to be already hot when they start. if they start cold, they won't finish in time. |
| 18:33.04 | Cairenn | my objection is that (whether they actually get your hands dry or not), they dry *out* your hands |
| 18:33.25 | Cairenn | they're very hard on the skin |
| 18:33.34 | Corrodias | ah |
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| 18:34.15 | Cairenn | the fact that they also don't actually get your hands dry 9.9999999 times out of 10, just adds to the annoyance ;) |
| 18:34.31 | Kirkburn|Moo | Hello! A quick question - given that ClearFont for 1.10 will check for the existance of addons in order to override them, it would be correct that if CF loaded before them the overrides would not work? |
| 18:35.10 | Corrodias | that's why it will have optional dependencies |
| 18:35.11 | Kirkburn|Moo | Thus I am lead to believe that adding them as optional dependencies would make sure CF would load after them? |
| 18:35.14 | Cairenn | hey Kirkburn :) |
| 18:35.24 | Kirkburn|Moo | Hullo |
| 18:35.43 | Kirkburn|Moo | Corrodias: evidently my thoughts were correct =) |
| 18:36.06 | Kirkburn|Moo | Amazing what comes into your mind on a trip to the local Coop |
| 18:36.30 | Corrodias | COOP! |
| 18:36.40 | Cairenn | fly the |
| 18:37.27 | Kirkburn|Moo | heh, I'm in italy btw ... I don't get to go to Sainburys or Tescos :( |
| 18:38.27 | Kirkburn|Moo | Although I just got back from my girlfriends Birthtines/Valenday in Ingerland |
| 18:39.53 | Kirkburn|Moo | Did anyone ever point out to zeeg just why wowguru wasn't getting linked by the official sites? |
| 18:40.33 | Corrodias | because it sucks? |
| 18:40.33 | Kirkburn|Moo | (if anyone is in any doubt, try looking at the top left of the current home page) |
| 18:41.11 | Kirkburn|Moo | Now, now, no need for that :) |
| 18:41.24 | Corrodias | what.. because of the dwarves? |
| 18:41.45 | Kirkburn|Moo | The dwarves? It's showing Kel'thuzad here |
| 18:42.05 | Kirkburn|Moo | Okay when I said top left, not *that* far top left |
| 18:42.16 | Corrodias | so what's wrong with an image of .. whatever that is? |
| 18:42.32 | Cairenn | it's unreleased content |
| 18:42.41 | Kirkburn|Moo | indeed |
| 18:42.47 | Corrodias | ah |
| 18:43.10 | Kirkburn|Moo | Last time I looked it was showing Illidan |
| 18:43.44 | Cairenn | I'm not saying a thing, zeeg runs his site the way he chooses, and has to accept the results thereof |
| 18:43.45 | [MoonWolf] | Alright people. Kel'thuzad is NOT, let me repeat, NOT the lich king. |
| 18:44.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, we all know Marnia the Bread Vendor of Ironforge is, in fact, the Lich King. She dons a clever disguise. |
| 18:44.42 | Kirkburn|Moo | You're SO right |
| 18:44.48 | Tain | If a website puts up unreleased content in a forest, but there's no one there to see it, does it make a sound? |
| 18:45.08 | Cairenn | Tain: nut :p |
| 18:45.09 | Kirkburn|Moo | "Baaaaaanned!" |
| 18:45.54 | Kirkburn|Moo | (unfortunately banned is not 2 syllables like timber, so work with me here :P ...) |
| 18:46.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: More like "If I put up unreleased content on my own personal webserver, but I don't open the port, and someone hacks into my computer..." |
| 18:46.41 | Cairenn | If a man says something in a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? (answer, for those wonder - well duh, of course he is) |
| 18:46.51 | Kirkburn|Moo | GenNMX|Thrae: Yes that's much easier to understand and type ... |
| 18:47.03 | Tain | I'm just saying, you have to have people actually going to your website to see that you're doing something wrong. |
| 18:47.22 | Corrodias | he said he looked at it in the model viewer |
| 18:47.23 | Cairenn | Tain ... don't make me yell at you |
| 18:47.31 | Corrodias | if he did, it's released enough to be in the client! |
| 18:47.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: Then that makes the question moot, since it was most likely a man posting that "unreleased content" (which is therefore wrong) |
| 18:47.40 | Tain | It's a general question not directed at anyone in particular. |
| 18:47.55 | Kirkburn|Moo | Unreleased means anything that isn't accessible INgame :) |
| 18:48.15 | Corrodias | aha |
| 18:48.27 | Kirkburn|Moo | Since, an awful lot of stuff is in the game client. Er, such as the outlands. Ish. |
| 18:48.54 | Tain | Yay! Uwe Boll is saying he might stay away from making movies based on video games! |
| 18:49.15 | Kirkburn|Moo | But he's amazing! [cue silence] |
| 18:49.44 | Kirkburn|Moo | Wasn't it the other way round? We stayed away from Uwe Boll films? |
| 18:49.44 | Wobin_ | Thank god =P |
| 18:49.52 | Wobin_ | We did that anyway |
| 18:49.56 | Tain | He's confused as to why people hate his movies. |
| 18:49.58 | Tain | Poor guy. |
| 18:50.02 | Tain | I thought he was juts a bad movie maker. |
| 18:50.05 | Tain | I didn't know he was insane. |
| 18:50.10 | Wobin_ | I thought he did all that to rort the tax system |
| 18:50.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | The World Behind World of Warcraft -- The Movie. Staring Kevin Kostner as Tain, "Screw the users!". |
| 18:50.30 | Tain | Kevin Kostner? |
| 18:50.39 | Tain | I don't think i've ever been so insulted in my life. |
| 18:51.02 | Tain | Can I get a... hmmm |
| 18:51.10 | Tain | Maybe John Malkovich. |
| 18:51.26 | Corrodias | maybe jack nicholson |
| 18:51.31 | Corrodias | however it's spelled |
| 18:51.33 | Tain | Oooh no I'm not that cool. |
| 18:51.35 | Corrodias | morgan freeman! |
| 18:51.54 | futr-sleep | Michel Cain |
| 18:52.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | The World Behind World of Warcraft -- The Movie. Staring Natalie Portman as Tain, "Screw the users!". |
| 18:52.06 | [MoonWolf] | hehehe |
| 18:52.11 | Kirkburn|Moo | Lol, I love some people's attempts at fakes ... "The following image was captured at around midnight this past Tuesday"... notice his computer's clock: http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/files/pandaran-proof-id1069/ |
| 18:54.03 | Corrodias | Michael Jackson? Tony Danza? |
| 18:54.04 | Tain | Or maybe.. mmm.. oh oh I know, Oliver Platt. |
| 18:54.21 | Wobin_ | Who's the Boss? |
| 18:54.38 | Kirkburn|Moo | Then there are the people who make fake screenshots, but can't even spell "assassin" (assasan?) |
| 18:54.48 | Corrodias | ASASUN |
| 18:54.53 | Kirkburn|Moo | Chuck Norris? |
| 18:55.04 | [MoonWolf] | chuck norris is no assassin |
| 18:55.18 | futr-sleep | Mister T |
| 18:55.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kirkburn|Moo: Wait, do you mean "assassin" is the incorrect spelling, or they use "assasan"? |
| 18:55.27 | Corrodias | Arnold Schwarzenegger |
| 18:55.39 | Tain | I pity da fool who don't follow raid orders. |
| 18:55.48 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 18:55.50 | Tain | Cut the jibba jabba. |
| 18:55.51 | Cairenn | morning futrtrubl |
| 18:55.59 | futrtrubl | morning Cairenn |
| 18:56.15 | futrtrubl | ummm, afternoon even |
| 18:56.23 | Kirkburn|Moo | GenNMX|Thrae: what do you think? ;) (wait, isn't it spelt with a silent k?) |
| 18:56.24 | Corrodias | okay, time for my nap. 'ni |
| 18:56.36 | Cairenn | have a nice nap Corrodias |
| 18:57.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kirkburn|Moo: Yes, my name may sound like "Thrae", but it's really spelled Warblergrandlermoonrat. |
| 18:58.34 | Kirkburn|Moo | I thought so. |
| 18:58.47 | futrtrubl | .... of Roundhouse Kicking |
| 18:59.57 | Tain | Well, Uwe Boll will still be puttin out Far Cry, and then starting work on Postal. But after that he says maybe no more video game movies. |
| 19:00.14 | Tain | So after these next four years, then I might not have any more cookies. |
| 19:00.29 | Kirkburn|Moo | Where'd u read this? |
| 19:01.25 | Osagasu | He's still doing the DS game |
| 19:01.29 | Osagasu | err, DS movie |
| 19:01.49 | Kirkburn|Moo | FYI Blizz do want to do movies |
| 19:02.00 | Tain | www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62899 |
| 19:02.09 | Kirkburn|Moo | They're waiting for the right opportunity (i.e. NOT Uwe Boll) |
| 19:02.26 | Tain | Funny funny stuff, the guy is delusional as far as I'm concerned. |
| 19:02.44 | [MoonWolf] | blizzard has no need for a director, they take their animation staff, done. |
| 19:02.46 | Tain | He blames the lack of success of the movies on no marketing support. |
| 19:03.06 | [MoonWolf] | I blame it on a shitty movie |
| 19:03.15 | Tain | That's just crazy talk, Moon! |
| 19:03.41 | [MoonWolf] | Okay, the taking movies our of the context of the game has something to do with it too. |
| 19:04.02 | Osagasu | I'll trust Blizzard with movies after they get the WC3 team back |
| 19:04.16 | Tain | "We're putting the band back together." |
| 19:04.17 | Kirkburn|Moo | If SC, WC, or Diablo ever get filmic I hope it'll will stay as animation |
| 19:04.44 | Osagasu | I'd better |
| 19:04.46 | [MoonWolf] | things like that don't work outside of animation. |
| 19:04.49 | Osagasu | *It'd better |
| 19:05.22 | Kirkburn|Moo | It would take them YEARS if they did it like they currently do though |
| 19:05.39 | Tain | I think they could do a live action Starcraft movie. |
| 19:05.40 | Wobin_ | They could reuse the cast from the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe =P |
| 19:06.02 | Kirkburn|Moo | What and have a child as Thrall? |
| 19:06.05 | Tain | The single player campaigns from Starcraft were pretty character oriented. |
| 19:06.16 | Wobin_ | Well, more for the Horde army |
| 19:06.19 | Cairenn | omg, so very meen! http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 19:06.19 | Kirkburn|Moo | SC I can allow live action |
| 19:06.36 | Kirkburn|Moo | Diablo might be a weeny little bit extreme for a film |
| 19:06.39 | Tain | The cut scenes between missions in SC could easily be made into good live action. |
| 19:06.47 | Kirkburn|Moo | WC though, now that would work :) |
| 19:06.50 | Tain | Diablo and Warcraft? Yeah I'd just as soon they never try. |
| 19:07.06 | Tain | WC they could, there's a lot of story. |
| 19:07.11 | Beladona | Cairenn: mean, but true |
| 19:07.11 | Tain | But I don't think it would work. |
| 19:07.16 | Wobin_ | WC, I don't think so |
| 19:07.27 | Wobin_ | There's too much story to cram into a feature length movie understandably |
| 19:07.41 | [MoonWolf] | Diablo has a lot of lore in the back, but you need to get into it to see it. |
| 19:07.59 | Wobin_ | Heh, I should watch Doom. See how that went |
| 19:08.02 | Tain | Diablo has the lore too, but the action is too much. |
| 19:08.02 | Kirkburn|Moo | Depends what the storyline is, could be a continuation after WoW for example |
| 19:08.07 | Wobin_ | I've got the DVD... |
| 19:08.20 | [MoonWolf] | Diablo really needs a sucessor. |
| 19:08.26 | Tain | No no no. |
| 19:08.31 | Tain | Diablo needs an exceptional successor. |
| 19:08.32 | [MoonWolf] | yes yes yes |
| 19:08.41 | [MoonWolf] | oh yeah that would do too. |
| 19:08.41 | Wobin_ | Diablo II? |
| 19:08.56 | Wobin_ | Diablo Hard |
| 19:08.58 | [MoonWolf] | They shattered the damn world stone, that is bound to have consequences |
| 19:09.09 | [MoonWolf] | And my tyreal avatar needs upgrading |
| 19:09.10 | Kirkburn|Moo | Silly people |
| 19:09.11 | Tain | Anything less than, "Better than everything else out there." would not be able to live up to consumer expecations for Diablo. |
| 19:09.13 | [MoonWolf] | its as old as diablo 2 |
| 19:09.16 | Wobin_ | Diablo With a Vengence |
| 19:09.32 | Beladona | Doom the Movie? |
| 19:09.36 | Beladona | it was ok, but a let down |
| 19:09.38 | Wobin_ | Aye Bel =) |
| 19:09.48 | Wobin_ | I don't have high expectations for it =) |
| 19:09.54 | Kirkburn|Moo | Warcraft: Revenge of the Burning Legion. Everyone dies ... |
| 19:10.00 | Beladona | it had none of the journey to hell bit |
| 19:10.06 | Wobin_ | Nah you need more detail, Kirk |
| 19:10.09 | Beladona | they did this whole genetic mutation thing |
| 19:10.10 | Tain | Warcraft: Doctor, why does it burn when I pee? |
| 19:10.21 | Wobin_ | Warcraft: Revenge of the Burning Legion. Rocks fall, everyone dies... |
| 19:10.36 | Beladona | always pisses me off when they change a story to be politically correct |
| 19:10.49 | Kirkburn|Moo | Warcraft: Revenge of the Killu Killy Burnination League. Burny burny, eaty eaty, squashy squashy. The End. |
| 19:10.53 | Wobin_ | MAybe they didn't have the budget for hell? |
| 19:10.59 | [MoonWolf] | Doom is about hell opening up on marse, or a moon of mars or earth |
| 19:11.02 | Beladona | or maybe hell didn't want them |
| 19:11.09 | Wobin_ | Bad PR |
| 19:11.09 | [MoonWolf] | not genetic mutation in some planet not marse. |
| 19:11.12 | Tain | The movie industry, well I think the entertainment industry in general, thinks its consumers are morons. |
| 19:11.29 | Beladona | but then, look at 2005 |
| 19:11.29 | Wobin_ | And by and large, they'd be right =P |
| 19:11.29 | Kirkburn|Moo | I'm a moron! |
| 19:11.39 | Beladona | and the success (or lack thereof) of the movie industry |
| 19:11.52 | Wobin_ | It's been a slow year for movies |
| 19:11.52 | Tain | Were there any good movies in 2005? |
| 19:11.54 | Beladona | and they aren't starting off much better this year |
| 19:11.56 | Tain | Oh wait there were. |
| 19:11.57 | Kirkburn|Moo | I don't think we're quite back into the 80s yet |
| 19:11.58 | [MoonWolf] | I'm a moron and i want to see a cyberdemon in hell. |
| 19:12.07 | Wobin_ | WAllace and Gromit: Revenge of the Were-Rabbit |
| 19:12.11 | [MoonWolf] | FF was good enough. |
| 19:12.29 | Kirkburn|Moo | For a moron? |
| 19:13.39 | Kirkburn|Moo | tbh, the situation may change enough by the time BC is finished that it may be free |
| 19:14.16 | Kirkburn|Moo | Since fewer and fewer are charging for the packs |
| 19:14.49 | Wobin_ | That'd be nice |
| 19:14.57 | Tain | It's hard for me to remember what movies came out last year. 2004 was good for movies, for me. |
| 19:15.14 | [MoonWolf] | yes 2004 featured good movies |
| 19:15.17 | Wobin_ | Tom Yum Goong =) |
| 19:15.18 | Tain | 2005, King Kong was good, but failed to live up to the hype. |
| 19:15.28 | [MoonWolf] | i forgot to mention that i liked serenity |
| 19:15.31 | Tain | Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire was ok. |
| 19:15.39 | Tain | Batman Begins was f'in awesome. |
| 19:15.58 | Tain | Walk the Line was very good. |
| 19:16.00 | Kirkburn|Moo | Chocolate is good. Oh wait, what are we talking about? |
| 19:16.06 | [MoonWolf] | movies |
| 19:16.17 | Kirkburn|Moo | Chocolat was good. |
| 19:16.24 | [MoonWolf] | Riddick was good. |
| 19:16.24 | Tain | Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was.. just no. |
| 19:16.26 | [MoonWolf] | really good. |
| 19:16.28 | Cairenn | Chocolate is *always* good |
| 19:16.33 | Tain | Chronicles of Riddick? |
| 19:16.36 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 19:16.47 | Kirkburn|Moo | That was last year? |
| 19:16.52 | Tain | let's just say it wasn't released in 2005 and those are the only ones I'm lookin at. |
| 19:16.53 | [MoonWolf] | I went to that movie twice in the theater, nope 2004 |
| 19:16.53 | Wobin_ | surely not? |
| 19:17.01 | Tain | Then I don't have to insult you. |
| 19:17.05 | Kirkburn|Moo | Can I? |
| 19:17.05 | Cairenn | especially dark chocolate ... none of that milk chocolate crap :p |
| 19:17.21 | Kirkburn|Moo | Orange chocolate ftw (oh god, did I say ftw?) |
| 19:17.23 | [MoonWolf] | But its good enought to be mentioned in 2005 |
| 19:17.25 | Tain | Oh Star Wars Ep 3 was 2005? |
| 19:17.26 | Cairenn | ewwwwwwww |
| 19:17.30 | Cairenn | and yes, yes you did :p |
| 19:17.34 | [MoonWolf] | tain, die now. |
| 19:17.52 | [MoonWolf] | you brought back nightmares |
| 19:17.55 | Kirkburn|Moo | Can I redeem myself with a love of Mars bars? |
| 19:18.03 | Tain | Let's see what else. Crash was excellent. Corpse Bride was decent. |
| 19:18.10 | [MoonWolf] | crash ?? |
| 19:18.21 | Kirkburn|Moo | A film I still haven't seen, but eveyone should |
| 19:18.24 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Moo: almost |
| 19:18.39 | Tain | Oh! Sin City, that movie deserved cinematic awards. |
| 19:18.48 | Wobin_ | Sin City =) |
| 19:18.53 | Kirkburn|Moo | Cairenn: you ask a lot :( How about if I throw Peanut Butter into the deal? |
| 19:19.10 | Kirkburn|Moo | I think I made a mistake |
| 19:19.37 | Kirkburn|Moo | I meant, uh, "Pringles" |
| 19:19.40 | Tain | Oh Crash came out 2004. Too bad, it's still worth seeing. |
| 19:19.50 | Cairenn | rich dark chocolate, caramel, mint ... all good |
| 19:20.13 | Cairenn | anything else is heresy |
| 19:20.25 | Wobin_ | JArhead was interesting |
| 19:20.25 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:20.26 | [MoonWolf] | white chocolate is good. |
| 19:20.31 | [MoonWolf] | jarhead was stupid. |
| 19:20.36 | Cairenn | white chocolate isn't |
| 19:20.37 | Kirkburn|Moo | I wasn't suggesting peanut butter or pringle flavoured chocolate :p Caramel, mmmmm |
| 19:21.02 | Cairenn | pringles are good, go salt! |
| 19:21.03 | Kirkburn|Moo | Whilst we're on the subject of telling people what to do. Go buy Psychonauts!!!! |
| 19:21.17 | Wobin_ | anyway. Gotta sleep |
| 19:21.28 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Wobin_ |
| 19:21.39 | [MoonWolf] | was Hitchhikers in 2005 ? |
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| 19:21.48 | Wobin_ | 2004 I think |
| 19:21.53 | Wobin_ | or not |
| 19:21.57 | Wobin_ | no, probably 2005 |
| 19:22.01 | Kirkburn|Moo | Who *has* bought psychonauts then? |
| 19:22.04 | Cairenn | they did a credible job with Hitchhikers, I was impressed |
| 19:22.07 | Wobin_ | Since the song is still in my head |
| 19:22.29 | [MoonWolf] | I imagened zaphod to have two head too be both visible at the same time |
| 19:22.29 | Kirkburn|Moo | I miss Douglas Adams :( |
| 19:22.32 | [MoonWolf] | not like in the movie |
| 19:22.37 | Cairenn | I figured it was going to be a complete wash, but it wasn't bad at all |
| 19:22.54 | Tain | hehe white chocolate is still made from cocoa beans, just in a completely different way. |
| 19:23.01 | Kirkburn|Moo | Douglas was involved in the movie, most of the changes made were suggested by him |
| 19:23.16 | [MoonWolf] | Still dont like the zaphod heads in the movie |
| 19:23.22 | Wobin_ | nor I |
| 19:23.23 | Tain | I didn't like anything about the movie. |
| 19:23.32 | Wobin_ | Marvin was good |
| 19:23.39 | Cairenn | Underworld: Evolution was surprisingly good for a sequel ... most sequels suck ... and she still looks damn good in full leather |
| 19:23.40 | Kirkburn|Moo | Original model, too |
| 19:23.41 | [MoonWolf] | I think they made a credible attempt at it. |
| 19:23.45 | Tain | I think they made a movie that followed the storyline of the book. |
| 19:23.49 | [MoonWolf] | but the story works better on paper. |
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| 19:23.54 | Tain | Which completely missed the point of the book. |
| 19:24.04 | Wobin_ | well yes. |
| 19:24.16 | Kirkburn|Moo | Are we still talking about HHGTG? |
| 19:24.18 | Tain | The storyline is absolutely irrelevant. It's Adams dialogue and writing that made the book awesome. |
| 19:24.20 | [MoonWolf] | Underworld needs better marketing, more people should see it. |
| 19:24.31 | Wobin_ | The books are the sort you need to read more than once |
| 19:24.37 | Kirkburn|Moo | Tain: heard the original radio series? |
| 19:24.40 | [MoonWolf] | Its things like the fact that doors can be depressed that makes it awesome. |
| 19:24.46 | Wobin_ | I have Kirk =) Fantastic =) |
| 19:24.47 | Tain | Only bits, Kirkburn. |
| 19:24.52 | [MoonWolf] | elevators i mean |
| 19:25.19 | Kirkburn|Moo | It's one of those odd stories that changed again and again |
| 19:25.33 | [MoonWolf] | But it actually got better. |
| 19:25.35 | Kirkburn|Moo | Yet still remained excellent, if not better and better |
| 19:25.43 | Kirkburn|Moo | :) |
| 19:26.00 | Tain | Yeah because the story, the plot itself, wasn't the important thing. |
| 19:26.02 | [MoonWolf] | Dune is an example of ruining a story by making it longer, HHGTG got better. |
| 19:26.07 | Kirkburn|Moo | What about the Derk Gently stories? |
| 19:26.23 | Tain | I read Dirk Gently's Holistic Decetive Agency and liked it. |
| 19:26.47 | Tain | It had a couple of spots that were as funny as anything in HHG, but it was only a few spots. |
| 19:26.56 | Kirkburn|Moo | There are 2, and the Salmon of Doubt is unfinished one but still an excellent book |
| 19:27.18 | Iriel | Pretty much everything Adams has written is good. |
| 19:27.30 | Iriel | A Last Chance To See is also an excellent read, though not fiction. |
| 19:27.30 | Tain | But some of the ideas were there, a running theme of movers getting a couch stuck in a stairwell in such a way that is against the laws of physics kept me laughing. |
| 19:27.44 | Kirkburn|Moo | Where you can learn such stuff as Adams could not breathe through his nose, and no-one could work out why |
| 19:28.26 | Kirkburn|Moo | Going back to an earlier point... |
| 19:28.31 | Kirkburn|Moo | Buy Psychonauts!! |
| 19:28.48 | Tain | I'm busy playing Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines |
| 19:29.18 | Kirkburn|Moo | That's no excuse, the company will probably go under if it doesn't get sales soon :( |
| 19:29.22 | Iriel | I've been busy trying to remember how to drive again in PGR3 |
| 19:29.32 | Tain | It's... too late for them. |
| 19:29.36 | Kirkburn|Moo | I'm hoping they manage to get a Steam deal like Darwinia's devs did |
| 19:29.54 | Tain | Hell Troika went under a long time ago, but they're still releasing "unofficial" patches for Vampire. :) |
| 19:30.30 | Kirkburn|Moo | I ordered Psychonauts from the US and got a handwritten thank you them and a big smily face. In silver pen :) |
| 19:30.54 | Kirkburn|Moo | er, you know what I meant |
| 19:32.08 | Tain | There's a pretty interesting article about Newegg.com on anandtech.com. Follow through an entire order process, and how they turn around things so quickly. |
| 19:32.58 | Tain | Just in case anyone buys computer hardware and doesn't know that newegg is better than whoever you buy from |
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| 19:34.14 | Beladona | is most cases they are |
| 19:35.07 | Beladona | however Mwave has a distribution center near me, so I tend to get stuff next day in some cases, when ordering ground |
| 19:35.47 | Beladona | speaking of which, my wife bought me that G15 keyboard |
| 19:35.52 | Tain | oh yeah, like mwave too |
| 19:35.54 | Beladona | which sites do you guys get your stuff from? |
| 19:36.18 | Tain | g15forums.com |
| 19:36.51 | Tain | others, be back after phone interview |
| 19:37.11 | Beladona | I installed that LCD Studio, but I wanted to dig a little deeper into game -> lcd info |
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| 19:59.35 | Tain | Interesting phone interview, going to follow up with another phone conversation with the person I'd be working closest with. |
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| 20:00.13 | Tain | Beladona: LCD Studio is really neat, there is a lot you can do with it. |
| 20:01.16 | Tain | There's also LCDHype, which is another app to program your own stuff into the LCD, but I haven't really played with it as much at all. http://lcdhype.mod-extreme.info/lcdhypeforum/ |
| 20:02.08 | Tain | Now after that you need to either use the SDK which comes with the keyboard, it's pure C++, or there are a few different community efforts to create .NET wrappers for the sdk. |
| 20:04.12 | elema | how can I easily add something (text) to an items tooltip ? |
| 20:06.40 | Iriel | elema: Call tooltip:AddLine("Stuff"); tooltip:Show(); |
| 20:06.47 | Iriel | once the tooltip's done displaying itself |
| 20:07.15 | Iriel | I'll note there's a slight challenge due to data latency if the tooltip isn't populated at the time you invoke it |
| 20:08.42 | elema | hmm I think you don't understood what I meant |
| 20:09.02 | Iriel | well, depending on which function you call on the tooltip to get the item information... |
| 20:09.02 | elema | I wanna add, for example to the runecloth item tooltip a new line |
| 20:10.38 | Iriel | your client might not have the data yet, in which case your code would have to go away and come back later |
| 20:10.38 | Iriel | You'd need to either do some hooking of the various :Set functions, or do some active OnUpdate monitoring to add your text in the first place |
| 20:14.23 | elema | so first I need the item's ID ? |
| 20:15.25 | Iriel | I dont know, you should know the answer to that... It strikes me you have an idea of something you want to do, but very little experience in how the tooltips work.. You might want to hop by the wiki and look at all of the tooltip methods that have somehting to do with items (there are many) |
| 20:16.45 | elema | where can I find a complete list pf the item's ID's ? or is there any ;) ? |
| 20:17.10 | Beladona | that would be a pretty huge project |
| 20:17.33 | Beladona | if I recall though, allakhazam uses the item id in their item numbers or something |
| 20:17.41 | Beladona | if you wanted to search there |
| 20:18.17 | elema | the main problem I have actually is, I can chat in IRC, but cannot surf with any browser in the internet :P |
| 20:18.44 | Beladona | at work? |
| 20:18.53 | elema | at home |
| 20:19.07 | elema | something's wrong with the ethernet, I think |
| 20:19.21 | Beladona | or your browser |
| 20:19.37 | Cairenn | onoez, is teh intraweb |
| 20:19.38 | elema | IRC's working good and the pinging in the network too, but firefox and IE doesn't find any sites |
| 20:20.44 | elema | nevertheless thanks for your info, and I'll look out |
| 20:21.02 | Cairenn | oh oh oh, someone answered in such a way that I no longer have to tell the person what a complete and utter moron they are! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=320463&p=1&tmp=1#post320463 |
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| 20:25.12 | elema | so internet's working now again |
| 20:25.25 | Cairenn | yay |
| 20:25.40 | elema | think it was my firewall |
| 20:25.40 | Osagasu | o.o |
| 20:26.01 | Osagasu | Those people are just asking to get flamed |
| 20:26.16 | Osagasu | People are gonna beliere those work |
| 20:26.24 | Osagasu | xD' |
| 20:26.40 | Cairenn | anyone with 1/2 a clue is gonna know they are being sarcastic :p |
| 20:27.29 | Beladona | which is what, 20% of the population? |
| 20:27.37 | Beladona | with 1/2 a clue I mean |
| 20:27.39 | Cairenn | yeah, well |
| 20:27.54 | Osagasu | I type too slow with one hand. >.< |
| 20:28.07 | Osagasu | ...That didn't come out right |
| 20:29.00 | elema | where do you mean alkazham sows the item ID ? |
| 20:29.08 | elema | in the browser address ? |
| 20:29.28 | elema | like this http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18142 item has the id 18142 ? |
| 20:29.45 | Osagasu | I don't wanna say that it isn't what you think... I don't know what goes on in that head of yours. In either case, I broke my wrist. |
| 20:30.28 | Beladona | someone find me an actual item id |
| 20:30.38 | Beladona | and I will se if it matches one on allakhazam |
| 20:30.43 | Cairenn | Osagasu: ewww, that sucks ... what happened? :( |
| 20:31.30 | elema | got it from another site, seemes true |
| 20:32.08 | Beladona | yeah was just looking at that |
| 20:32.11 | Beladona | it should be accurate |
| 20:32.17 | Beladona | but always test to make sure |
| 20:32.33 | Osagasu | Suffice to say I found all the ways it *doesn't* bend. |
| 20:32.45 | Cairenn | how? what happened? |
| 20:34.17 | Cairenn | ignore that, I'm prying, sorry |
| 20:34.28 | Osagasu | 250 pound men shouldn't do handstands. |
| 20:34.51 | Osagasu | Espically if they have bad balance in the first place |
| 20:35.11 | Cairenn | well, hope it heals quickly and cleanly for you |
| 20:37.35 | Beladona | I am not going to ask why you were doing a handstand. Cirty thoughts come to mind |
| 20:37.44 | Beladona | Dirty rather |
| 20:38.32 | Cairenn | I'm going with "not deliberately" (ala taking a tumble down the ski slope or some such) or else drunk and on a dare :p |
| 20:39.17 | Osagasu | Yes... Not deliberate... >.> |
| 20:41.45 | Osagasu | Anyways. |
| 20:42.39 | elema | good night guys |
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| 20:42.50 | Osagasu | nini |
| 20:43.02 | futrtrubl | www.uweboll.com |
| 20:43.46 | wereHamster | this ClearFont addon.. |
| 20:43.56 | wereHamster | what exactly doesn't work in 1.9 ? |
| 20:44.06 | wereHamster | there is :SetFont() in 1.9 .. |
| 20:44.12 | id` | works fine for me |
| 20:44.20 | id` | futrtrubl: timeout |
| 20:44.41 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: times out for me, too |
| 20:45.40 | wereHamster | I mean this version: ClearFont (Patch 1.10 Only) *Preview* |
| 20:46.56 | id` | oh |
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| 20:58.14 | Maldivia | patch 1.10 adds Font objects, and the preview of ClearFont probably adds support for that |
| 21:01.15 | Kirkburn|Moo | Timing |
| 21:01.18 | Kirkburn|Moo | Hello |
| 21:01.30 | Cairenn | yo |
| 21:01.38 | Kirkburn|Moo | ClearFont works perfectly in 1.9 |
| 21:02.15 | Kirkburn|Moo | As Maldivia said, 1.10 will prevent the current method working (not a good method anyway) and gives me a proper addon-like method |
| 21:03.16 | Kirkburn|Moo | As far as I know the new version doesn't work in 1.9, but try it and see... |
| 21:05.38 | Kirkburn|Moo | Does the /n thing still work? |
| 21:06.16 | Beladona | HOT DAMN |
| 21:06.26 | Beladona | sorry, just made a small breackthrough on my website |
| 21:07.07 | Kirkburn|Moo | Should I be consoling you? |
| 21:07.12 | MentalPower | care to share? |
| 21:07.27 | Cairenn | grats Bela, what'd you do? |
| 21:07.44 | Beladona | I made a new version of the code viewer that can get compares from a zip archive |
| 21:07.53 | Cairenn | rarr |
| 21:07.55 | Beladona | which will let me compress my compares down from 10mb to something like 400kb |
| 21:08.25 | Beladona | smaller files makes hosts happy =D |
| 21:08.41 | Cairenn | not that your host has been complaining particularly ;) |
| 21:08.46 | Kirkburn|Moo | Happy files make smaller hosts! |
| 21:08.53 | Beladona | and better yet, I might be able to re-enable full code view instead of omitting lines |
| 21:09.06 | Kirkburn|Moo | This is wdn, no? |
| 21:09.14 | Beladona | I know you guys don't complain, but I like to do my part not to make you complain |
| 21:09.18 | Beladona | =P |
| 21:09.21 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:09.23 | Beladona | wdn |
| 21:09.28 | Cairenn | bela, we've got the space sweetie, no worries |
| 21:09.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:09.32 | Kirkburn|Moo | Weird changes in 1.9.4 |
| 21:09.47 | Kirkburn|Moo | Like they just decided to reorganise a file |
| 21:09.58 | Beladona | its not just that though, I have other plans if I can keep compares stored in zips |
| 21:10.16 | Kirkburn|Moo | Free chocolate for visitors? |
| 21:10.26 | Beladona | they added a couple things, but yeah overall it was re-organizing. Most of the changes were in the exe file |
| 21:11.03 | Kirkburn|Moo | How do u know that? |
| 21:11.26 | Beladona | because I can scan the exe for changes |
| 21:11.36 | Beladona | just like Iriel does |
| 21:11.43 | Beladona | to get a lot of the api changes |
| 21:15.35 | Kirkburn|Moo | ooh |
| 21:16.25 | Kirkburn|Moo | Twelve months and we've gained one new emote |
| 21:16.39 | Maldivia | THe constant rearrangement of global strings file, just shows, that it's dynamically created from some database, when they have a new release... |
| 21:16.53 | Maldivia | or well, that could explain it :) |
| 21:17.22 | Kirkburn|Moo | tbh, it is rather weird to have been written by hand |
| 21:18.10 | Beladona | that is likely the case Maldivia |
| 21:18.59 | Beladona | a simple database would be much more efficient for storing several translations for a single global string. You can then just run a script to generate the GlobalStrings file for the client you are building at the time |
| 21:19.16 | Maldivia | yeah, exacyly |
| 21:20.18 | Kirkburn|Moo | Object Desktop - the best program I've ever bought :) |
| 21:20.34 | Kirkburn|Moo | (also, coolest) |
| 21:20.45 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:21.02 | Beladona | the only desktop enhancement I use is YahooWidgets |
| 21:21.26 | Kirkburn|Moo | Windowblinds, IconPackager & WindowFX are an excellent combo |
| 21:22.46 | Kirkburn|Moo | Almost reaching OSX standards, if not better |
| 21:23.45 | Kirkburn|Moo | "Uwe Boll, the butt of many jokes from the gaming and movie communities due to his generally lackluster video game to movie translations, is blaming the game companies for his movies' poor showings at the box office." |
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| 21:27.50 | Kirkburn|Moo | Penny Arcade's view of EQ2: http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/02/15#1140015960 |
| 21:28.49 | Natasem | is there a "new Version" of Damage Meter out? |
| 21:30.46 | Natasem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-gilneas&t=113518 |
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| 21:33.44 | wereHamster | install virus/malware scanners that eat 90% of the CPU/memory or just run a safe OS I personaly am using the safe OS approach :) |
| 21:34.08 | Kirkburn|Moo | Which is ... |
| 21:34.33 | wereHamster | oh.. and most important.. use the brain.. when surfing, downloading, opening email attachments etc.. :) |
| 21:34.53 | Kirkburn|Moo | Which OS? |
| 21:35.35 | wereHamster | gentoo linux |
| 21:35.59 | Beladona | I use the cleanPC approach |
| 21:36.14 | zespri | you can write a virus for any os, of course if you use some exotic os, or let me put, not the main-stream os, then od course there will be less viruses for this os, not because this os is better but just because virus-authors don't bother. |
| 21:36.25 | Beladona | as in, I have a pc that doesn't do email or anything else, just gaming |
| 21:36.36 | Beladona | and then I have my laptop, that does everything else |
| 21:36.42 | wereHamster | Beladona, if you can afford that :) |
| 21:36.51 | Beladona | ;D |
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| 21:37.14 | Beladona | I do use linux when I can though |
| 21:37.32 | Beladona | its just hard to do so when I am involved so much in gaming communities |
| 21:38.01 | Kirkburn|Moo | Since it's crap for games ... :P |
| 21:38.15 | Beladona | not crap |
| 21:38.29 | Beladona | I actually think linux runs games better than windows |
| 21:38.42 | Beladona | its just hard to find developers willing to make a port to linux |
| 21:38.42 | Kirkburn|Moo | Solitaire doesn't count |
| 21:38.53 | Beladona | uhm |
| 21:38.57 | Kirkburn|Moo | hehe |
| 21:38.59 | Beladona | lets see |
| 21:39.03 | Beladona | UT2004? |
| 21:39.04 | Kirkburn|Moo | I know, you're probably right |
| 21:39.05 | Beladona | Doom3? |
| 21:39.10 | Beladona | does that count? |
| 21:39.16 | Kirkburn|Moo | Wasn't UT ported as well? |
| 21:39.23 | Beladona | wow also runs if you have cedega or wine |
| 21:39.26 | wereHamster | Beladona, here.. I'm willing to port WoW to linux.. |
| 21:39.34 | wereHamster | for free.. I don't want money |
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| 21:40.55 | Codex | anyone here have a shaman? |
| 21:41.02 | Guillotine | 24 shaman |
| 21:41.03 | Kolth | Kinda! |
| 21:41.05 | wereHamster | <= lvl2 |
| 21:41.08 | Codex | guillotine |
| 21:41.09 | Codex | 2 questions |
| 21:41.12 | Codex | bout ur druid and shaman |
| 21:41.17 | Guillotine | 2 answers |
| 21:41.19 | Guillotine | about my druid and shaman |
| 21:41.22 | Codex | i need to know what ranged weapons you both can wield! |
| 21:41.25 | Codex | "shoot"? |
| 21:41.28 | Guillotine | Egan's blaster |
| 21:41.29 | Kolth | Egan's Blaster! |
| 21:41.31 | Beladona | ereHamster, if only it were that simple |
| 21:41.32 | Kolth | It's max DPS! |
| 21:41.39 | Guillotine | lol |
| 21:41.39 | Codex | i mean like what spells for the weapons |
| 21:41.42 | Beladona | but you would also have to update your port at each patch |
| 21:41.43 | Guillotine | there is none |
| 21:41.44 | Codex | "shoot"? |
| 21:41.46 | Guillotine | we don't have ranged weapons |
| 21:41.52 | Codex | shammies cant wield range? |
| 21:41.53 | Guillotine | only one we can hold is a quest item |
| 21:41.58 | Guillotine | nope. neither can druids or pallys |
| 21:42.00 | Beladona | not to mention the lgality of doing a port |
| 21:42.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, Druids, Shamans, and Paladins will soon get "Relics" they can weild in their ranged slot to give them stat bonuses. |
| 21:42.08 | Beladona | *legality |
| 21:42.09 | Codex | shows how much i know bout horde lol |
| 21:42.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | They hope to implement this with 1.10, maybe 1.11. |
| 21:42.22 | Kolth | Alliance has the same problem, Codex. |
| 21:42.25 | Kolth | (Druids/Paladins) |
| 21:42.27 | Codex | im coming out with 1.3.4 of Kreacher mod, wanted to see if i was missing anything |
| 21:42.43 | Codex | all i did was added a targetlastenemy command after killing a critter |
| 21:42.45 | Codex | not a big change |
| 21:42.46 | Codex | lol |
| 21:42.58 | wereHamster | Beladona, let me sign a NDA, give me the headers for the classes I need to port (system, timing, I/O, window/graphics management), and I'll do it |
| 21:43.16 | Beladona | talk to blizz |
| 21:43.24 | Codex | !seen sarf |
| 21:43.25 | Beladona | there was a petition for it for quite some time |
| 21:43.30 | Codex | err that didnt work right |
| 21:43.38 | Codex | sarf, you here? |
| 21:43.42 | sarf|stuff | GARAH |
| 21:43.44 | Beladona | it works well enough in cedega for me to be honest |
| 21:43.45 | sarf|stuff | No. ZG |
| 21:43.49 | Kolth | HAHAAH |
| 21:43.55 | wereHamster | I don't think these areas change much between patches.. it's more the game logic and that's portable, doesn't depend on the system |
| 21:43.56 | Codex | after zg i need to talk to you sarf :) |
| 21:44.07 | Codex | about your damn consumebutton errors! |
| 21:44.09 | Codex | lol |
| 21:44.13 | Kirkburn|Moo | Codex, stick the version number in the addon name |
| 21:44.13 | Beladona | the exe changes regularly |
| 21:44.22 | Beladona | api changes are internal to it |
| 21:44.30 | Codex | kirk, on which addon site did i forget it? |
| 21:44.42 | wereHamster | Beladona, that's exactly it, if people say 'it works fine using [whatever emulator]' the blizzard will never port it :( |
| 21:44.49 | Kirkburn|Moo | worldofwar :) |
| 21:44.49 | Beladona | exactly |
| 21:44.52 | Codex | oh on wowi and worldofwar i forgot |
| 21:44.53 | Codex | hehe' |
| 21:44.54 | Codex | brb |
| 21:45.17 | Codex | do shammies have any instant casts? |
| 21:45.18 | Kirkburn|Moo | Uh, writing that you're a complete nub doesn't make people want to dl an addon normally :p |
| 21:45.24 | Maldivia | wereHamster: the problem isn't to port it, because it would most likely compile with very few modificatiosn |
| 21:45.28 | Codex | lol yea well i dotn know lua that well lol |
| 21:45.33 | Codex | ill delete that no that th addon works lol |
| 21:45.50 | Kirkburn|Moo | :) |
| 21:46.15 | Beladona | there are minor OGL glitches they would need to fix, but the main issue is that they don't see a need to maintain a client for linux |
| 21:46.22 | wereHamster | it's the support... |
| 21:46.32 | Kirkburn|Moo | Weather > Linux |
| 21:46.32 | Beladona | I doubt support would be hard |
| 21:46.36 | Maldivia | exactly, the support is the problem |
| 21:46.52 | Beladona | their existing staff could handle it |
| 21:47.17 | Beladona | they just don't see a reason to do it. They aren't going to gain subscribers by making a lonux client |
| 21:47.23 | Beladona | *linux |
| 21:47.25 | Maldivia | "Why doesn't it work on [insert random obcure dist here]" |
| 21:47.38 | wereHamster | Beladona, they don't see a need for it because people asay it runs fine using existing tools.. |
| 21:47.46 | Beladona | right |
| 21:47.56 | wereHamster | but it doesn't.. |
| 21:48.13 | Beladona | ehh? |
| 21:48.20 | Beladona | it runs fine if you know how to make it run fine |
| 21:48.25 | Codex | so has anyone here actually tried kreacher? |
| 21:48.31 | Beladona | therein lies the problem |
| 21:48.52 | wereHamster | go to the gentoo forums and read the endless threads about how WoW doesn't run.. or go to the transgaming forums.. |
| 21:48.59 | Beladona | they don't need to do it, because other people will do it on their own, without needing support or maintenance |
| 21:49.15 | Beladona | I have read them |
| 21:49.20 | Beladona | in my own pursuit of getting it to run |
| 21:49.26 | Beladona | I eventually did and it runs great |
| 21:49.46 | Beladona | its usually something else, either a configuration or os level problem that causes most of those issues |
| 21:49.52 | Codex | is spoofing items in trade channel grounds for reported-ness? |
| 21:50.05 | futrtrubl | Cairenn: bad news hotmail conciders mail from admin@wowinterface.com as junk |
| 21:50.32 | Kirkburn|Moo | That's strange |
| 21:50.44 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: lol, because it is :p |
| 21:50.51 | Beladona | my junk filters grab any email from wowinterface |
| 21:51.01 | wereHamster | it runs, but it doesn't run fine, I get 5fps in MC and I have a 2.2GHZ X2 dual core CPU with 2GB RAM, I think I should get more FPS out of my box.. :( |
| 21:51.02 | Beladona | I have to add it to whitelists |
| 21:51.08 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 21:51.18 | Beladona | like I say werehamster |
| 21:51.24 | Beladona | mine runs pretty fast |
| 21:51.26 | Cairenn | but seriously, futrtrubl, what was the email about? |
| 21:51.29 | Beladona | and I don't have those specs |
| 21:51.30 | futrtrubl | yup, it's in my dafelist now, I like knowing when I have PMs waiting ;'] |
| 21:51.31 | Codex | oh i meant to ask if any of you use 1.3.3- |
| 21:51.31 | Codex | added TargetLastEnemy command |
| 21:51.31 | Codex | added some class functions |
| 21:51.34 | Codex | woops |
| 21:51.40 | futrtrubl | safelist* |
| 21:51.43 | Codex | i mean if any of u use zonalarm firewall |
| 21:51.48 | futrtrubl | a notification about a pm |
| 21:51.53 | Codex | cuz it hates my mirc :( |
| 21:52.32 | Codex | man i hate it when i go to paste something and i have the wrong thing uin my clipboard |
| 21:52.33 | Codex | lol |
| 21:52.45 | Codex | zonalarm stops mirc from connecting no matter how high i set the trust level |
| 21:52.56 | Beladona | hehe, zonealarm |
| 21:53.59 | Beladona | zonealarm - when nazi just isn't enough |
| 21:54.03 | Codex | lol |
| 21:54.04 | Codex | oh wow my guild pane is screwed up, i have 300 lvl 0s with no names in there |
| 21:54.10 | Codex | >< |
| 21:54.43 | Guillotine | so, I was thinking... would it be against the ToS to make a program that found what place in que I was so I could do something Alt-tabbed and it would play a sound when I got through the que? |
| 21:55.44 | Beladona | not if you have the game stick something in your savedvariables and then monitor that with an external program |
| 21:55.56 | Beladona | I think that is how that winamp thing works |
| 21:56.19 | Beladona | too bad sound doesn't just work when minimized |
| 21:56.25 | Guillotine | I meant que to login to the server |
| 21:56.28 | Guillotine | not for a BG |
| 21:56.31 | Beladona | oh |
| 21:56.40 | Beladona | that would probably be a negative then |
| 21:56.47 | Beladona | you arne't allowed to monitor memory |
| 21:57.00 | Guillotine | I wish blizz would just make it automatically maximize when you get through the que like it did when it found a game in WC3 |
| 21:57.13 | Guillotine | wouldn't be all that hard... |
| 21:57.16 | Beladona | post something |
| 21:57.30 | Guillotine | I doubt they'd listen anyway |
| 21:57.39 | Kirkburn|Moo | Now that's defeatist |
| 21:57.44 | Beladona | would it hurt to try? |
| 21:57.45 | Codex | wow monitors your ram, kind of ironic |
| 21:58.10 | Beladona | what I mean is, you arne't allowed to monitor wow's memory addresses |
| 21:58.41 | Guillotine | or better yet, give us a UI function to restore focus to WoW |
| 21:59.03 | Guillotine | both actually since you can't use a UI function before you log in |
| 21:59.06 | Beladona | uhh |
| 21:59.20 | Beladona | that is a windows api thing |
| 21:59.32 | Beladona | I doubt they could make that available to the scripting system |
| 21:59.46 | Beladona | or would if they could |
| 21:59.48 | Guillotine | they did it in wc3 |
| 21:59.56 | Guillotine | so they obviously can |
| 22:00.10 | Beladona | they didn't make it available to you as a script function |
| 22:00.15 | Guillotine | true |
| 22:00.16 | Beladona | they made it a feature of the client |
| 22:00.34 | Guillotine | would it be that hard to call a feature of the client when you use a script function though? |
| 22:00.39 | Beladona | I think it would be a worthwhile feature |
| 22:00.47 | Beladona | just gotta suggest it to them |
| 22:01.48 | Beladona | if I was a dev, I would never open up something that is part of the windows api, to a scripting language inside the game. That is asking for trouble |
| 22:01.58 | Beladona | and beyond that, how would you use it? |
| 22:02.10 | Beladona | you can't run addons prior to login |
| 22:02.28 | Guillotine | oh well. I'll suggest both and let them decide |
| 22:02.35 | Guillotine | like you said, no harm in suggesting it |
| 22:03.23 | futrtrubl | what about have the task bar button flash when ready, or being attacked or....etc like IM windows do and stuff |
| 22:03.44 | Codex | heh some nub wants to know if ill come to zg but hes /ignoring me so i cant respond |
| 22:03.51 | Kirkburn|Moo | Any Trackmania players? |
| 22:04.11 | Kirkburn|Moo | Why does someone have you on ignore Codex? |
| 22:04.45 | Beladona | because Codex likes to play cops and robbers with random people, and they try to get a restraining order |
| 22:04.52 | Beladona | oh |
| 22:04.57 | Kirkburn|Moo | (And stop saying nub, it's awful) |
| 22:05.13 | Codex | lol |
| 22:05.18 | Beladona | nub is funny |
| 22:05.21 | Codex | what should i say then? |
| 22:05.23 | Codex | niblet? |
| 22:05.33 | Codex | lol |
| 22:05.41 | Kirkburn|Moo | "Silly person" |
| 22:05.47 | Kirkburn|Moo | newbie at a stretch |
| 22:05.49 | Beladona | it makes me think noob, and a stubby appendage, all at the same time |
| 22:06.00 | weab | nub is taking it too far |
| 22:06.03 | Kirkburn|Moo | nub is extremely Counterstrike and very very childish |
| 22:06.17 | Codex | well sorry for acting my age =P |
| 22:06.28 | weab | you're 11? :( |
| 22:06.31 | Codex | 17 heh |
| 22:06.38 | Codex | im not legal yet! |
| 22:06.43 | Kirkburn|Moo | 17! Christ you should've grown out fo that |
| 22:06.47 | Kirkburn|Moo | Er, not legal where? |
| 22:06.55 | Cairenn | buncha puppies, the lot of ya :p |
| 22:07.00 | Codex | lol |
| 22:07.06 | Codex | not legal in canada! |
| 22:07.12 | Kirkburn|Moo | Legal for what? |
| 22:07.12 | Codex | i cant buy any ... of THAT' |
| 22:07.28 | Beladona | I don't use the term myself, but I still think nub is funny |
| 22:07.49 | Codex | well its hilarious , hes like "D00D stop ignoring me!!11 come to zg" |
| 22:07.57 | Kirkburn|Moo | Funny, but it still makes me think the speaker is 12 and playing counterstrike (whilst calling everyone gay) |
| 22:08.21 | Codex | you coders are so... professional lol |
| 22:08.25 | Beladona | Codex, go and then tell one of his other companions that you are on ignore |
| 22:08.28 | Codex | the age of the internet! the age of nubs! |
| 22:08.34 | Kirkburn|Moo | um, no |
| 22:08.44 | Codex | proper punctuation, capitalization, |
| 22:08.45 | Kirkburn|Moo | Do what Bela suggested, I was gonna say the same |
| 22:08.52 | Kirkburn|Moo | Yes and yes |
| 22:09.01 | Kirkburn|Moo | This isn't MSN |
| 22:09.01 | Codex | you forgot a period there >< |
| 22:09.05 | Kirkburn|Moo | :P |
| 22:09.10 | Codex | hehe |
| 22:09.23 | Kirkburn|Moo | Which, Mediaeval? |
| 22:09.26 | Beladona | they need some kind of indicator to let the person know that the person they are talking to is on their ignore list |
| 22:09.33 | Beladona | just for people like him who obviously forgot |
| 22:09.39 | futrtrubl | OK, I need you guys' help on choosing good default settings for BEB Titan. What text should I show on the button and what in the tooltip? What color should the text be when; unrested, rested and fully rested? |
| 22:10.17 | Kirkburn|Moo | Green when unrested, orange when rested, red when fully rested I say |
| 22:10.34 | Kirkburn|Moo | Possibly with intermediate states |
| 22:10.49 | Beladona | those colors may be hard to see on the titan panel |
| 22:10.55 | Kirkburn|Moo | Bright red |
| 22:10.57 | futrtrubl | Intermediate states are more dificult so I'll skip em for now ;'] |
| 22:11.04 | Beladona | unless you off-color them enough to make them brigther |
| 22:11.21 | futrtrubl | so a light green/orange/red? |
| 22:11.22 | Kirkburn|Moo | the standard green orange and reds should be fine |
| 22:11.34 | Kirkburn|Moo | They're designed for black backgrounds anyway |
| 22:11.35 | futrtrubl | what would you suggest Beladona? |
| 22:11.41 | Beladona | question |
| 22:11.47 | Beladona | can you make the text flash while resting |
| 22:11.53 | Beladona | ;D |
| 22:11.59 | futrtrubl | I can indeed |
| 22:12.23 | Kirkburn|Moo | Don't make it too ott tho |
| 22:12.32 | Beladona | the colors they suggested sound good |
| 22:12.37 | futrtrubl | any BEB element can flash when resting |
| 22:12.56 | Kirkburn|Moo | I'm a 'they'? |
| 22:13.04 | futrtrubl | I'll go with green/orange(yellow?)/red |
| 22:13.07 | Beladona | although I am a fan of green -> blue -> purple |
| 22:13.26 | Kirkburn|Moo | and purple would work better with a black background? ;) |
| 22:13.27 | futrtrubl | the user will be able to change it to what they want |
| 22:13.31 | Kirkburn|Moo | Good idea |
| 22:13.35 | Beladona | thats the problem |
| 22:13.52 | Beladona | and yeah, yellow might be better than ornage |
| 22:13.58 | Beladona | or even orange |
| 22:14.02 | Beladona | o.0 |
| 22:14.42 | futrtrubl | next, where can I find the rgb vals for those difficulty colors? |
| 22:14.51 | Natasem | is a frost mage more mana efficient than say a fire or arc mage? |
| 22:15.37 | Beladona | green should be something like 0, 0.5, 1 |
| 22:15.45 | Beladona | err |
| 22:15.47 | Beladona | got that wrong |
| 22:15.53 | Beladona | 0, 1, 0.5 |
| 22:16.07 | Beladona | tweak blue to get the brightness you want |
| 22:16.54 | Kirkburn|Moo | The fonts.xml is useful for finding the standard colours |
| 22:17.00 | Kirkburn|Moo | (I should know ;) |
| 22:17.05 | futrtrubl | good idea |
| 22:17.10 | Beladona | yellow would be 1, 1, 0 |
| 22:17.29 | Kirkburn|Moo | Of course, an art course would help too :p |
| 22:17.32 | Beladona | and I am not telling you red, becuase that one is obvious |
| 22:17.36 | Beladona | hehe |
| 22:18.24 | futrtrubl | no, I know what the normal colors would be in rgb, I just want to make sure the match the game colors |
| 22:18.40 | Beladona | oh |
| 22:18.46 | Beladona | what game colors? |
| 22:18.51 | futrtrubl | otherwise it might look odd |
| 22:18.56 | Beladona | need to know something specific |
| 22:19.07 | futrtrubl | the colors for various difficulty mobs |
| 22:19.17 | Beladona | hmm |
| 22:19.44 | Beladona | you could take screenshots and get the color codes |
| 22:20.41 | Beladona | I will help you as soon as I get home, I am about to leave |
| 22:21.14 | futrtrubl | no rush, plus I think they are in the framxml somewhere, so I'm hunting |
| 22:21.16 | Beladona | and while I am thinking about it, did you ever get the xp disabl code into your BEB futrtrubl? |
| 22:21.30 | futrtrubl | xp disable code? |
| 22:21.33 | futrtrubl | ahhhh |
| 22:21.35 | futrtrubl | no not yet |
| 22:21.39 | Beladona | me neither |
| 22:21.44 | Beladona | was gonna look at yours if you did |
| 22:21.48 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 22:21.53 | Beladona | I haven't had time to do any updates lately |
| 22:21.56 | futrtrubl | I can send you the code I was sent |
| 22:22.01 | Beladona | yes please |
| 22:22.07 | futrtrubl | emale? |
| 22:22.12 | futrtrubl | email* |
| 22:22.16 | Beladona | beladona@tampabay.rr.com |
| 22:22.25 | futrtrubl | sending |
| 22:22.31 | Beladona | thanks |
| 22:22.39 | futrtrubl | no problem |
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| 22:23.16 | Beladona | be back soon |
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| 22:24.49 | Kirkburn|Moo | The colour codes are all in the fonts.xml file, best place to look for that stuff, always |
| 22:25.28 | futrtrubl | I don't see the colors in there |
| 22:25.41 | Kolth | It's in TargetFrame.lua |
| 22:25.48 | Kolth | Table: UnitReactionColor |
| 22:25.55 | Kolth | Usage in: function TargetFrame_CheckFaction() |
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| 22:28.24 | Kirkburn|Moo | Well, they're everywhere |
| 22:36.09 | zespri | . |
| 22:36.38 | zespri | connection acting really bizzare, sorry. |
| 22:43.40 | futrtrubl | hmm, my UnitReactionColor table contains many entries but are mostly repeats, so only 3 colors |
| 22:44.03 | futrtrubl | 4 |
| 22:44.32 | futrtrubl | and they are the ones I need ;'] nm |
| 22:49.40 | sarf|stuff | Danr |
| 22:49.41 | sarf|stuff | ANyhow |
| 22:51.23 | Kremonte | is guillotine around? :Q |
| 23:18.34 | wereHamster | even if I just upload an updated version of my mod it has to go through the confirmation process? |
| 23:18.55 | Kremonte | yes |
| 23:18.58 | wereHamster | or is there a way to just upload the enw version ? |
| 23:19.06 | Kremonte | must be confirmed |
| 23:19.11 | Kremonte | who knows what people can put in an update :) |
| 23:19.35 | wereHamster | do the admins test all mods? |
| 23:20.20 | Cairenn | not in game, no |
| 23:25.35 | Cairenn | not unless we have a reason to think we need to ... |
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| 23:31.09 | Kremonte | yay new spoofer |
| 23:31.15 | Kremonte | can spoof colors in chat and \n's |
| 23:31.39 | Iriel | lets hope all who use it get banned for a week or two |
| 23:32.02 | Kremonte | oh me no release |
| 23:32.14 | Kremonte | i could do it before with /script but laziness prevailed |
| 23:32.22 | Kremonte | gsub is EVIL btw |
| 23:34.30 | wereHamster | why? |
| 23:34.37 | Kremonte | it doesn't like me :( |
| 23:34.50 | wereHamster | does it have reason to? |
| 23:34.58 | Kremonte | maybe |
| 23:37.05 | Natasem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-gilneas&t=113612&tmp=1#post113612 |
| 23:39.56 | Kirkburn|Moo | Natasem = Paranoid |
| 23:40.11 | Natasem | ya |
| 23:40.25 | Kirkburn|Moo | By own admission, I shoudl add |
| 23:47.10 | Natasem | heyll ya |
| 23:47.37 | Kirkburn|Moo | NEW! http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=546 |
| 23:50.42 | Kirkburn|Moo | Sounds like a good idea to me |
| 23:51.01 | Kirkburn|Moo | Oh and "Fun with Physics!" - http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/10/fun-with-physics-a-hl2-rube-goldberg-machine/ |
| 23:54.48 | futrtrubl | Kirkburn|Moo I thought the character creation limitation was reasonably old |
| 23:55.05 | Kirkburn|Moo | This is a new system though, automatic it appears |
| 23:55.29 | futrtrubl | ahh |
| 23:55.42 | Kirkburn|Moo | I like it |
| 23:55.48 | Ktron__ | The system sounds reasonable |
| 23:55.55 | Ktron__ | heh |
| 23:55.59 | Ktron__ | you know what it will mean though? |
| 23:56.11 | Kirkburn|Moo | So if you're desperate to get ona server, just login at an ungodly hour |
| 23:56.17 | Ktron | When new servers open, only so many people will get on, and then the doors will lock heh |
| 23:56.25 | Kirkburn|Moo | Until the queue goes |
| 23:56.44 | Ktron | but that takes a while with new servers |
| 23:56.46 | Kirkburn|Moo | Such as it will midday and early morning |
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| 23:57.09 | Kirkburn|Moo | Important: "during off hours when there is not a queue all players may create characters as normal." |
| 23:57.20 | Ktron | I can read |
| 23:57.24 | Ktron | but that takes a while with new servers |
| 23:57.26 | duke|ib | words of advice: never, ever, EVER let your water heater burst |
| 23:57.32 | Ktron | heh |
| 23:57.44 | Kirkburn|Moo | Ktron, there'll be a queue at 4am? |
| 23:58.00 | Cairenn | duke|ib: oh yeah, I hear that one! |
| 23:58.02 | futrtrubl | as they rush to level up on the new server, maybe |
| 23:58.15 | duke|ib | Cairenn: my basement is a lake >< |
| 23:58.24 | Cairenn | been there, done that |
| 23:58.27 | Kirkburn|Moo | But surely that's no bad thing? It prevents queues appearing on new servers |
| 23:58.41 | futrtrubl | agreed |
| 23:58.48 | Kirkburn|Moo | Now THIS is how to police a forum: http://forum.facepunchstudios.com/showbans.php? |
| 23:59.19 | Ktron | Kirkburn|Moo; the last time new servers openned up, there wasn't no queue until nearly 6am EST |
| 23:59.39 | Ktron | I didn't say it was bad |
| 23:59.43 | Ktron | Just was saying it will happen |
| 23:59.44 | duke|ib | http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php <-- i'm banned until some time in mid-2017 |
| 23:59.46 | futrtrubl | AUTOBANNED FOR BEING DUMB. The forum has a system that deducts points from your 'smartness' level every time you post something dumb (spelling, grammar). You were at the top of the dumb list this hour with 3955 smartness. |