| 00:15.05 | Cairenn | can I pretty please start posting "lern2reed"? |
| 00:15.23 | Anduin|Cowzzz | long as you put RTFM after |
| 00:15.51 | Cairenn | oh, but they *did* RTF FAQ, and the answer isn't in it! |
| 00:16.00 | Cairenn | which is why they need to lern2reed |
| 00:16.02 | AnduinLothar | so update your faq |
| 00:16.14 | Cairenn | the answer *is* in it, is my point :p |
| 00:16.24 | AnduinLothar | ah, then yes, by all meas |
| 00:16.26 | Osagasu | Cair, I have a thousand characters. Tell me the post and I'll happily tell them that |
| 00:16.30 | Osagasu | ^_^ |
| 00:17.12 | Cairenn | naw, it's okay, I'm just yapping :p |
| 00:17.28 | Osagasu | aww |
| 00:17.53 | AnduinLothar | anyone made any interesting health/mana mods that have custom made status bars? All I've seen is the circular ones and their clones. |
| 00:18.44 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: not I, not for WoW rather |
| 00:18.58 | AnduinLothar | made/seen any |
| 00:19.02 | Osagasu | The most interesting one I've seen is the D2 style ones, but meh |
| 00:19.10 | Osagasu | still a big ball |
| 00:19.27 | Cairenn | I know, I was be a smartass, and no, I haven't really seen much of interest besides the circular ones |
| 00:19.28 | AnduinLothar | ya... no one's been esp creative other than iriel with those.. |
| 00:20.04 | AnduinLothar | no one has expressed interest, because there's a notorious lack of creativity in customization |
| 00:20.23 | Osagasu | Which kinda defeatsthe purpose of customization |
| 00:20.58 | AnduinLothar | ya... lots of coders, but the people with fresh ideas aren't usually coders |
| 00:21.09 | AnduinLothar | we need some more artists around here.. |
| 00:21.36 | Cairenn | I would still love to be able to port over *my* UI from EQ, along with a number of other ones, because they got into the whole graphical side of customization, but I can't get the gd Lua coding figured out (yeah yeah, I know, you guys have heard this refrain many a time) |
| 00:22.15 | AnduinLothar | you just need to apply yourself, which of course requires motivation |
| 00:22.22 | Cairenn | there is finally *some* graphical stuff coming, with DART, T.King's stuff, Iriel's circular bars, and Model Citizen, but still |
| 00:23.01 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: I've tried, trust me |
| 00:23.05 | AnduinLothar | ya model cit looked nifty, but it looks more liek a tool better used in some creative affair |
| 00:23.22 | Cairenn | but still, the graphical side is sorely lacking, imo |
| 00:24.34 | AnduinLothar | Ya, I have plenty of people to do graphic art, but no one to do the hard core drawing+ui |
| 00:25.38 | AnduinLothar | I'm tired of seeing the stupid square unit frames everywhere just cause they're cuswtomizable... they look like crap... I need something new and exciting |
| 00:25.55 | AnduinLothar | something round and/or firey |
| 00:26.07 | AnduinLothar | with some actual art on it |
| 00:26.21 | AnduinLothar | preferably with animations |
| 00:27.14 | AnduinLothar | i like tking's art, but it has no technical finess.. it's just art replacements. |
| 00:27.19 | Cairenn | so, you said you've got people with the graphical ability, get them to draw it for you and you can code it |
| 00:27.23 | futrtrubl | Andiun, you know Dart can make custom bars right? |
| 00:27.47 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you mean by custom |
| 00:27.57 | Cairenn | I don't like DART, for the same reason I don't like the rest of his stuff ... it's too system intensive |
| 00:27.58 | futrtrubl | completely custom |
| 00:28.10 | futrtrubl | true |
| 00:28.11 | AnduinLothar | it's prolly jsut templated with replacable textures |
| 00:28.34 | futrtrubl | hell no, Dart is just textures, then you control them Anduin |
| 00:29.03 | AnduinLothar | haven't seen any good unit frame implimentatiosn then |
| 00:29.06 | Cairenn | I'd consider using it, but I'm running so many other things at the same time, I'd rather use my system resources for other things |
| 00:29.21 | futrtrubl | Anduin ahhhhhh, your thinking of DUF not Dart |
| 00:29.31 | AnduinLothar | probably |
| 00:29.59 | Cairenn | http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?mod=DART |
| 00:30.04 | Cairenn | DArt |
| 00:30.04 | futrtrubl | I did start a circular bar mod before Iriel made his, want it? |
| 00:30.21 | AnduinLothar | does it have art in it? |
| 00:30.24 | futrtrubl | nope |
| 00:31.42 | futrtrubl | you know what, you just gave me an idea for an oval DUF layout. and it will look spify |
| 00:31.52 | AnduinLothar | dart looks nifty, but i don't really see any unique design.. just allows you to use the default stuff moved around |
| 00:32.11 | futrtrubl | nope that's DFM your thinking of |
| 00:32.22 | AnduinLothar | i'm looking at the dart page.. |
| 00:32.46 | futrtrubl | Dart adds completely new texture elements, doesn't alter anything already in game |
| 00:33.30 | AnduinLothar | mmk, lot of the examples look like modifed blizz art then |
| 00:33.46 | futrtrubl | yup, to fit in with default UI |
| 00:34.05 | AnduinLothar | right, but not orig hand drawn stuff... |
| 00:34.06 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: looking at the "custom layouts" section? |
| 00:34.15 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 00:34.45 | AnduinLothar | royalbar looks semi unique |
| 00:34.53 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 00:35.14 | Cairenn | there are vertical bars there ... if you can stand the smiley faces :p |
| 00:35.18 | AnduinLothar | the orc and undead are stripped from the blizz web sites |
| 00:36.16 | futrtrubl | smiley faces are eazily changed, the virtical bars are the base of the Diablo layout |
| 00:36.19 | AnduinLothar | but that's what I'm saying. heck, I can modify blizz art. I'm pretty decent with photoshop... but i don't see much orig art |
| 00:36.51 | futrtrubl | check out the wowtextures.com link at bottom left |
| 00:37.22 | Cairenn | I miss my EQ interface ... celtic knotwork, tree of life, green man, welsh dragon, irish harp, scottish thistle, all carved in stone |
| 00:37.36 | futrtrubl | nice |
| 00:37.42 | AnduinLothar | ya, I could dig some of that stuff in a wow interface |
| 00:37.44 | Cairenn | health/mana/casting bars were all celtic knotwork |
| 00:37.59 | Cairenn | they intertwined around each other |
| 00:38.00 | futrtrubl | don't have a copy of the artwork somewhere? |
| 00:38.05 | Cairenn | of course I do |
| 00:39.12 | AnduinLothar | mmm, know what would be nifty... some unit frames that utilize the race emblems and match the race of the unit |
| 00:39.40 | Cairenn | it isn't actually that good, since it was my first attempt at both creating art and at coding a UI, but ... |
| 00:39.55 | AnduinLothar | like completely diff art and design for each race |
| 00:40.14 | futrtrubl | that could be done with DArt and DUF |
| 00:40.32 | AnduinLothar | right... i'm not disputing that... just saying you need the art |
| 00:40.34 | futrtrubl | Cairenn, it could be ported to WoW |
| 00:40.41 | futrtrubl | ahhh |
| 00:40.48 | AnduinLothar | and i wouldn't use duf anyway, for the same reason cair stated |
| 00:40.55 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: I can't figure out the bloody coding to port it :p |
| 00:41.05 | AnduinLothar | I would make them optimized and animated |
| 00:41.17 | AnduinLothar | cair, got ss's? |
| 00:41.52 | Cairenn | it really isn't particularly good, but like I said, it was my first attempt at both, and I was proud of it |
| 00:42.54 | Cairenn | oh yeah, celtic knotwork symbols in each of the empty spell slots in the spell book |
| 00:42.54 | AnduinLothar | lil on the heavy side |
| 00:43.00 | futrtrubl | hmmmmm, your looking at completely changing the entire UI? a bit more dificult ;'] |
| 00:43.01 | Cairenn | it was supposed to be |
| 00:43.30 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: that was precisely the look I wanted .... think massive stone carvings, not delicate filigree |
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| 00:43.51 | AnduinLothar | i have the technical expertise to replace everything... I just don't have an artist do work with |
| 00:43.54 | Cairenn | and obviously it was /viewported |
| 00:44.27 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 00:44.45 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: yeah, exactly ... and me not able to figure out the coding, hence it's never been ported |
| 00:44.48 | AnduinLothar | meh. it's too heavy for me. When you said celtic knotwork I was thinking more light and tendril wood-like |
| 00:46.02 | futrtrubl | there's some WoW textures at http://www.wowtextures.com/ |
| 00:46.05 | AnduinLothar | those knotted bars are interesting tho |
| 00:46.37 | AnduinLothar | even a spiral status bar would be nifty.. |
| 00:47.03 | Cairenn | http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=3074 |
| 00:47.09 | futrtrubl | spiral statusbar? you clazy!! |
| 00:47.20 | Cairenn | http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=2845 |
| 00:47.41 | Cairenn | those were the sorts of things I was expecting to see from Tom when he started working on the WoW UIs =/ |
| 00:48.05 | Cairenn | the steamworks one was animated all over the place, little bits moved, puffs of steam, was really neat |
| 00:48.19 | AnduinLothar | that woudl require a lot of xml work |
| 00:48.57 | AnduinLothar | I'll have to figure out how to make animations... I know it can be done, prolly need onupdate |
| 00:49.15 | futrtrubl | Yup, there's code out there for anis |
| 00:49.25 | futrtrubl | and it does use onupdate |
| 00:49.26 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: *everything* in EQ was done via XML |
| 00:49.41 | Cairenn | (for custom UI stuff, I mean) |
| 00:50.21 | AnduinLothar | ya the issue with wow and art is usually layering... it's not designed well enough to support more than liek 5 without massive xml work |
| 00:50.52 | futrtrubl | You pretty much make a table of the images files to use, and in onupdate settexture to the next table entry after a delay |
| 00:51.03 | AnduinLothar | right. |
| 00:51.35 | futrtrubl | spinning is now much better with the new coords system |
| 00:51.55 | AnduinLothar | I like the book aspect of the spellbook... be nifty to have one with animated page flips |
| 00:52.25 | futrtrubl | that sounds painful with system we have |
| 00:52.37 | Cairenn | (we did it back in EQ :p) |
| 00:52.45 | AnduinLothar | right, it's a better job for something liek the quarts system |
| 00:53.00 | futrtrubl | quarts? |
| 00:53.44 | AnduinLothar | the graphic integration in OS X where you can bend, distort and scale a parent frame and have it affect the children respectively |
| 00:54.38 | AnduinLothar | so you can code a window to ripple, per say. without actually changing any of the textures |
| 00:55.29 | AnduinLothar | or resize a movie into the dock and it'll still play durring and after the resize |
| 00:56.54 | futrtrubl | ahh |
| 00:57.14 | AnduinLothar | basicly a passthrough system so that you apply things to the virtual screen with virtual layers and then you can effect the virtual layers as a flat display, rather than as a bunch of elements. Kind of like the way you group objects in flash. |
| 01:04.30 | AnduinLothar | think I'm gonan work on a nightelf unit frame when i get a chance... playing with the shield |
| 01:04.46 | futrtrubl | bah, I need illustrator to make my oval frames |
| 01:05.45 | futrtrubl | back to my CSI season 1 marathon I go ;'] |
| 01:47.24 | ForgottenLords | "My alts went to Blackrock, and all I got was this lousy [T-Shirt]" |
| 01:47.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:57.29 | zespri | Anybody here know what LockHighlight/UnlockHighlight do? |
| 01:58.14 | zespri | button:LockHighlight to be more precise |
| 02:01.02 | AnduinLothar | disables the auto-hightlight on mouseover for buttons |
| 02:01.15 | AnduinLothar | by locking on or off |
| 02:01.34 | zespri | thanks a lot, Anduin |
| 02:42.55 | Cairenn | Men suck |
| 02:45.36 | zespri | big time |
| 03:24.23 | Tain | Ug when will they learn. DC is working with Sony for a DC Comics MMOG. |
| 03:29.40 | Elessdy | Sony? hahaha |
| 03:30.34 | Cairenn | as in SOE, as in EQ and EQ2 |
| 03:31.33 | Elessdy | as in "ur gonna lose" |
| 03:31.57 | Corrodias | is it SoE that runs SW:Galaxies? |
| 03:32.01 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:33.28 | Tain | There's 2 things about EQ2 that I like. |
| 03:33.40 | Tain | Critical tradeskil failures that can kill you. |
| 03:33.51 | Tain | Quest for sword-chucks for someone. |
| 03:34.36 | Corrodias | now that's amusing. |
| 03:35.20 | Tain | Of course I'm of the opinion that EQ ruined itself with the first expansion. Not the fact that there was an expansion, but the implementation. |
| 03:35.34 | Tain | Ruined in a gameplay perspective to me, not in sales of course. |
| 03:40.30 | Tain | Thankfully I alone know better than the entirety of Sony Online Entertainment so I feel comfortable saying that. |
| 03:40.42 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:42.00 | Tain | I do think EQ lost its, "soul" or maybe "conscience" when Brad left. I think he was the only thing keeping things in check. As soon as he was gone the game went nuts. In my opinion. :) |
| 03:43.51 | Cairenn | Brad McQuaid? |
| 03:43.57 | Tain | Yeah |
| 03:44.03 | Cairenn | I presume then that you are keeping an eye on V:SoH? |
| 03:44.15 | Tain | ug I fell back into the mindset at the time I was originally playing. |
| 03:45.03 | Tain | It was just Brad, every time you heard him talk about the game his love for it came through. |
| 03:45.28 | Cairenn | You didn't answer ... you keeping your eye on V:SoH? |
| 03:46.02 | Tain | No, I'm not. I don't watch any games anymore. When they come out I'll try them. |
| 03:46.08 | Cairenn | http://www.vanguardsoh.com/ |
| 03:46.19 | Cairenn | figured you'd be watching it, since it's Brad and Jeff |
| 03:46.42 | Tain | No, there's too much hype, too much buildup, too much expectations for games now. |
| 03:46.56 | Tain | It's always a letdown for me to follow it from early stages. |
| 03:47.26 | Tain | Hell I followed Shadowbane for a good three years, everything they talked about made it sound like it was going to be the game to end all games. |
| 03:47.47 | Tain | I had to block out Tabula Rasa after a couple of years as well. |
| 03:48.00 | Tain | Now I barely look at a "coming titles" list. |
| 03:49.32 | Tain | I've been hurt before. It's hard to trust again. |
| 03:52.03 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:54.43 | Legorol | Does anyone else use TTCraftAddict? |
| 03:54.53 | Legorol | it's horribly laggy for me when I try to scroll the profession window |
| 03:59.08 | Cairenn | I'm not using it Lego, sorry |
| 04:07.40 | Legorol | it could also be KC_EnhancedTrades, actually.. |
| 04:07.48 | Legorol | let's see who's the culprit now |
| 04:09.35 | Legorol | yah, it's actually KC_EnhancedTrades |
| 04:09.39 | Legorol | will have to bug Kael |
| 04:12.13 | Cairenn | bugging Kael is always a good thing ;) |
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| 04:28.19 | Iriel | Evening |
| 04:28.26 | Cairenn | hey Iriel |
| 04:29.09 | Iriel | Any luck with your viral pest? |
| 04:29.24 | Cairenn | yup, all gone, finally got rid of the last of it about 6am |
| 04:29.36 | Cairenn | (got stubborn and finished it off before sleeping) |
| 04:30.07 | Iriel | Why does that not shock me |
| 04:30.18 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:33.15 | Cairenn | took the info (and downloads) from here to finally get rid of it: http://forums.techguy.org/security/405832-help-i-have-trojan-vundo.html |
| 04:34.03 | Cairenn | but yeah, all gone, which meant I could actually sleep ... wouldn't have slept properly otherwise |
| 04:37.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@adsl-212-44-184.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:38.11 | Iriel | I was checking out D&D Online this afternoon |
| 04:38.17 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 04:38.29 | Iriel | It's not exactly what I was expecting |
| 04:38.33 | Cairenn | what'd you think? everyone I've heard from so far has been disappointed |
| 04:39.11 | Iriel | It's like playing D&D with the computer as your GM |
| 04:39.24 | Tem | so... Drop down menu's suck |
| 04:39.25 | Tem | a lot |
| 04:39.40 | Iriel | Tem: yes, you have to treat the wow ones with care and attention |
| 04:40.06 | Tem | and like every elite mob in the deadmines drops at least 1 green |
| 04:40.06 | Iriel | It feels more like guild-wars with depth, than a traditional MMO |
| 04:42.21 | Tem | gah, getting just one person to sit in a raid for you is HARD |
| 04:43.34 | Tem | FYI: Testing MasterLoot addons is a pain |
| 04:43.40 | Tem | because you have to have stuff to ML |
| 04:44.12 | Cairenn | Tem: if you just need a body so that you can start a raid, I am logged in on Draka |
| 04:44.30 | Tem | Thanks cair |
| 04:44.37 | Tem | I got someone who was about to log to join my raid |
| 04:44.40 | Tem | so I'm set |
| 04:44.49 | Cairenn | yes, everyone freakout now, I'm actually playing :p |
| 04:44.55 | Tem | lol |
| 04:45.02 | Tem | Draka wouldn't help me anyway |
| 04:45.12 | Iriel | Oh, The UI is pretty awkward and freaky too (DDO, that is) |
| 04:45.12 | Tem | none of my toons there are over level 1 |
| 04:45.22 | Cairenn | Iriel: yeah? |
| 04:45.31 | Tem | WoW has spoiled me |
| 04:45.53 | Tem | Whenever I play a game I think "I'd like to change how this looks" |
| 04:46.00 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:46.05 | Shadowd | Not to interrupt but. Is it possible to get the location of curser like how the minimap ping is done? Can only get it to position something at the center of it. |
| 04:46.05 | Corrodias | lol |
| 04:46.21 | Iriel | GetCursorPosition() |
| 04:46.49 | Tem | Check out UIParent.lua |
| 04:46.51 | Iriel | Yeah, they've not learned things about instance load balancing from Guild Wars, either. |
| 04:46.53 | Tem | there's some examples in there |
| 04:48.05 | Shadowd | Hmm, using GetCursorPosition() but that doesn't seem to do it. Guess it has to do with the math for getting it to work on the battlefield minimap. |
| 04:49.50 | Iriel | See my spiffy document: |
| 04:50.03 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 04:51.44 | Shadowd | thanks |
| 04:53.27 | Tem | yay, class colors |
| 04:55.09 | Corrodias | guild wars.. an interesting game |
| 04:55.20 | Legorol | does it have free tiral? :D |
| 04:55.30 | Corrodias | the last time i checked, it did not |
| 04:55.32 | Shadowd | isn't it free? |
| 04:55.45 | Corrodias | you have to buy the client, but there's no subscription fee |
| 04:55.49 | Shadowd | ahh |
| 04:55.55 | Iriel | Legorol : No, it's just coming out (Pre-order gets a preview login) |
| 04:56.03 | Corrodias | i was rather discouraged after adapting to the "lightning shock" technique only to fall within seconds to the "ranger rush" technique |
| 04:56.05 | Iriel | Legorol : D&DO that is |
| 04:56.11 | Legorol | sorry i meant guild wars |
| 04:56.13 | Legorol | i'd love to try it out |
| 04:56.20 | Legorol | but don't intend to buy it, tbh |
| 04:56.26 | Iriel | Legorol : Guild Wars is buy once, no sub, yes.. It's basically not an MMO |
| 04:56.36 | Corrodias | it's got great PvP |
| 04:56.38 | Iriel | They used to do periodic trials, yo umay be able to find one |
| 04:56.46 | Corrodias | but you really have to be into PvP to enjoy it after you get up there. |
| 04:57.26 | Corrodias | otherwise you'd just run Underworld and Fissure runs for no particular reason... they're unmapped and difficult to survive, and it's not like you get fantastic items or anything, to preserve the balance. |
| 04:57.47 | Corrodias | although i admit they're fun to explore, the lack of a map just makes it so frustrating for someone like me |
| 05:00.02 | Tem | Iriel: do you know if you can use the a,b = 1,2 notation in table constructors? |
| 05:00.21 | Iriel | Tem: No, you can't |
| 05:00.28 | Tem | bah |
| 05:01.24 | Iriel | it parses as [ a ] [b = 1] [ 2 ] |
| 05:02.05 | Legorol | Irel speaketh the truth |
| 05:02.15 | Legorol | as if that was ever in question.. |
| 05:06.51 | Tain | Guildwars is about the safest buy you can possibly make for a game. |
| 05:07.04 | Cairenn | if you like PvP |
| 05:07.11 | Tain | I've never pvpd in it |
| 05:08.12 | Iriel | I MAY still have a free trial code for GW |
| 05:08.14 | Iriel | I'll look in a few |
| 05:09.26 | futrtrubl | I still have two somewhere, but I have no idea where my cds are |
| 05:19.26 | Tem | Any French or German folks here atm? |
| 05:19.53 | Tem | I need some realy tiny localization help |
| 05:20.13 | Tem | just a list of classes |
| 05:24.26 | zespri|log | I bought GuildWars long ago, but couldn't played after WoW |
| 05:24.27 | Cairenn | tem, easy solution ... couldn't you go to the German and French Blizz sites? |
| 05:25.03 | Tem | oh that's a good idea |
| 05:25.06 | Tem | thanks |
| 05:25.11 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:26.00 | Tem | hmm |
| 05:26.24 | Tem | ah nvm |
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| 05:30.58 | Iriel | Hm, no idea where my trial code is |
| 05:34.05 | Tem | gah! |
| 05:34.29 | Tem | hmm, Character Code for e accent aigu? |
| 05:34.35 | Tem | and accent grave |
| 05:39.53 | Tem | yay got everything set |
| 05:39.58 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:40.06 | Tem | Looks like I might actually release something today |
| 05:40.16 | Tem | translated and everything |
| 05:40.30 | Cairenn | cool |
| 05:40.50 | Cairenn | upload in the next 10-20 mins and I'll actually still be awake to approve |
| 05:41.08 | Cairenn | if you're uploading to WoWI that is |
| 05:47.03 | Cairenn | right, duh, forgotteded |
| 05:47.07 | Tem | hehe |
| 05:47.12 | Tem | oh joy I crashed wow again |
| 05:47.19 | Cairenn | RARR! |
| 05:47.21 | Tem | bah I'm not even paying attn |
| 05:47.23 | Cairenn | been too long |
| 05:47.25 | Tem | I haven't a clue what I did |
| 05:56.40 | Tem | VanCleef pay big for you heads! |
| 05:56.56 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 05:58.11 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 05:58.12 | Tem | doesn't Vivendi own blizzard? |
| 05:58.17 | Cairenn | yup |
| 05:58.34 | Tem | it would be homorous if they also owned Son |
| 05:58.34 | Codayus | That reminds me, I keep wanting to find/write an addon to auto-pass on all ZG coins and bijous to speed up guild runs... |
| 05:58.37 | Tem | Sony* |
| 05:58.42 | Codayus | Such a thing must exist... |
| 05:58.45 | Tem | nope |
| 05:58.57 | Tem | We use ML in there |
| 05:59.17 | Tem | party of my goal with my addon is to speed up the process of master looting |
| 05:59.44 | Codayus | I forget why we don't. There's a reason. It'll be...uh...oh, we want to spread the greens around to defray reapir cots. |
| 06:00.31 | Codayus | And ML on blues and above doesn't trigger for coins, which we bank. |
| 06:01.50 | futrtrubl | what do coins do? |
| 06:02.05 | Shadowd | Codayus: Could be worst, the group I go with does roll greed on coins until everyone has one ( then it resets ) and roll need on bijous |
| 06:02.13 | Cairenn | apparently annoy the heck out of some people |
| 06:02.52 | Shadowd | futrtrubl: You use them for rep/honor tokens or class armor |
| 06:02.57 | Codayus | Umm...a good chunk of the rewards from ZG come from turning in a set of special ZG "paragon" items. Need 10 coins, 2 bijous, and 1 primal hakkari item. |
| 06:03.15 | futrtrubl | k |
| 06:03.26 | futrtrubl | probably cair ;'] |
| 06:03.43 | Codayus | Shadowd: Heh, used to do a "roll need on coins until you get one then pass, until everyone has one, then roll need again" system. |
| 06:03.53 | Codayus | Then we realized that there was a name for this system. |
| 06:03.57 | Codayus | Retarded. :-P |
| 06:04.09 | Shadowd | Yeah everyone hates the system. :p |
| 06:05.04 | Shadowd | But it's a raiding guild, so everyones just there for the rep really. I don't think anyones actually trying for the set pieces |
| 06:05.07 | Codayus | Not only was it an amazing annoyance, it also meant that everyone had coins they didn't need, nobody had finished items. Plus, people constantly (and honestly) didn't realize they'd won, and rolled need when they shouldn't, and then we had to /random when we did notice, and zomg. |
| 06:05.50 | Shadowd | That wasn't much of an issue when people double rolled, would just pass it to somebody who was in the roll list originally |
| 06:06.20 | Codayus | So now we have one person collect them all and bank them. They're common (especially now that the drop rate has been doubled) and what the hell, life's too short for this crap. |
| 06:06.52 | Tem | we bank them all |
| 06:06.55 | Codayus | A few of the items are nice. Epic warrior breastplate is pretty good for pvp. Epic priest shoulders are quite nice. Haven't looked at most of the others. |
| 06:06.59 | Tem | but we're going to need to start using them for rep |
| 06:07.10 | Tem | we've got over 500 coins in the bank |
| 06:07.15 | Codayus | Nice. |
| 06:07.17 | Tem | and nearly 100 bijous |
| 06:07.28 | Shadowd | Yeah they're nice, but for us at least most of the warriors are in like Wrath so they don't need or want it |
| 06:07.30 | Tem | the bijous I think we should keep banking all of |
| 06:07.42 | Codayus | The exalted neck is quite nice for several classes, and all it takes is rep. |
| 06:07.43 | Tem | since people will be hitting Exhaulted soon |
| 06:07.57 | Tem | The exhaulted neck is crap for me |
| 06:08.20 | Tem | Especially now that the AQ is open on my server |
| 06:08.31 | Tem | the reward for killing the last boss in the 20 man is WAY better |
| 06:08.38 | Shadowd | Yeah, nobody does it for rep basically. like 99% of the stuff rots. it's a shame |
| 06:08.43 | Shadowd | err for the items* |
| 06:08.59 | Tem | I'm about 18k to exhaulted |
| 06:09.02 | Tem | soo close |
| 06:09.10 | Tem | just need about 8-9 more clears |
| 06:09.18 | Codayus | Shadowd: Eh, Wrath? For PvP? It's kinda meh I think. 40 stam is nice, but all its got for pvp other than that is 17 str. Vindicator has 23 str and 15 agil, and only 16 less stam. <shrug> |
| 06:09.47 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 06:09.59 | Codayus | But OTOH, it's close enough I wouldn't bother going to ZG for it. |
| 06:10.30 | Codayus | And you could argue it either way. Depends on build. And the dungeon 2 set breastplate is much better than the ZG set breastplate for warriors... |
| 06:10.31 | Shadowd | less competition for me to get tanking stuff! |
| 06:10.34 | Codayus | (For pvp) |
| 06:10.48 | Shadowd | Well theres also the 8/8 wrath set bonus which is pretty nice if you're using a 1h/shield |
| 06:11.32 | Shadowd | But yeah, it's an annoying system, always fun when you're in the middle of killing mobs and you have like 6 loot windows open |
| 06:12.02 | Codayus | Well...yeah. Although pvping in full wrath with a 1h/shield is a...hmm...different tactic. :-P |
| 06:12.40 | Codayus | And yeah. Doesn't much bother me 'cause I'm a priest, and I don't need to click or see anything in that part of the screen to heal. |
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| 06:13.03 | Codayus | But it can really mess some people up. :-/ |
| 06:14.22 | Shadowd | I could see it being a problem if you have a custom UI, but it's not like something you'd wipe on unless you we're already about to wipe and attempting to saze it |
| 06:14.26 | Cairenn|sleep | So tell them to get Compact Loot Frames: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4154 |
| 06:14.27 | Shadowd | s/saze/save/ |
| 06:14.44 | Shadowd | wern't you suppose to be sleeping 4 minutes ago! |
| 06:14.52 | Cairenn|sleep | :p |
| 06:15.08 | Codayus | I know a priest that uses the mouse to click flash heal - and has flash heal in a button underneath where the loot window pops up. *boggle* |
| 06:15.08 | Cairenn|sleep | you're still new to the channel, aren't you? |
| 06:15.14 | Shadowd | no just bored :p |
| 06:15.41 | Cairenn|sleep | (as in, anyone can tell you that I never actually go to sleep right when I change the nick :p) |
| 06:24.31 | Tem | lol |
| 06:24.45 | Tem | clearly "Sleep" isn't an instant cast |
| 06:25.15 | Tem | you'll notice she will emote "Cairren gains sleep" when she actually does go to sleep |
| 06:45.53 | L|Elviso | anyone know how in DAB to fix it if I accidently set a key to ESC? |
| 06:46.07 | L|Elviso | I don't see how to set it back to my main game menu |
| 06:48.24 | Cairenn|sleep | I take it you've already hidden the main Blizz bar with the menu buttons? |
| 06:49.39 | L|Elviso | i got it heh |
| 06:51.43 | Tem | nooooo! |
| 06:51.49 | Tem | The server just went belly up |
| 06:52.00 | Tem | as I was MasterLooting Moam |
| 06:52.04 | Tem | he dropped an epic! |
| 06:52.55 | Tem | talon of forced concentration |
| 06:53.23 | Tem | er |
| 06:53.24 | Tem | Talon of Furious Concentration |
| 06:54.04 | Tem | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21471 |
| 06:54.10 | Tem | 5% drop |
| 06:59.02 | futrtrubl | Sue them! What am I saying, I'm not American? |
| 07:06.24 | Tem | haha |
| 07:06.26 | Tem | it's OK |
| 07:06.28 | Tem | I got back in |
| 07:06.34 | Tem | Everyone got their loot |
| 07:06.38 | Tem | except the priest |
| 07:06.43 | Tem | but I'm holding his book |
| 07:06.55 | Tem | oh, and I got screwed too |
| 07:07.06 | Tem | Tome of Fireball XII poofed |
| 07:07.43 | Tem | but that's fine |
| 07:07.46 | Tem | I'm a frost mage |
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| 08:50.54 | Wobin_ | malaika... nako penda malaika... |
| 08:51.02 | Wobin_ | namineven ye yea |
| 08:52.22 | [MoonWolf] | suuure Wobin_ i agree completely |
| 08:53.27 | Wobin_ | Rah Rah Rasputin! Lover of the Russian queen! |
| 08:53.35 | Wobin_ | There was a cat that really was gone |
| 09:08.57 | duke|ib | cindi lauper on pbs |
| 09:08.59 | duke|ib | let me in on this |
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| 09:34.14 | L|Elviso | anyone know how to join a diff IRC server (and stay on this one) ? |
| 09:34.26 | L|Elviso | I know there's some arcane command for it, but I can't find it again |
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| 09:35.30 | L|Elviso | nm i found a work-around |
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| 10:24.23 | Tem | yay I actually finished a project enough to release it |
| 10:24.52 | Tem|Sleep | I'm real tired from all that finishing something I started |
| 10:25.00 | Tem|Sleep | I should do that more often... |
| 10:25.24 | Tem|Sleep | so, my self-redicule is pointless if no one is around |
| 10:25.28 | Tem|Sleep | oh well |
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| 11:57.04 | Wobin_ | bah |
| 11:57.12 | Wobin_ | I want to copy my char to the test realm |
| 12:05.20 | Tem|Sleep | it's up? |
| 12:05.30 | Wobin_ | Tomorrow |
| 12:05.34 | Tem|Sleep | oh SHIT |
| 12:05.35 | Wobin_ | ish |
| 12:05.41 | Wobin_ | for 1.10 |
| 12:05.43 | Tem|Sleep | I'm so not ready |
| 12:13.50 | AnduinLothar | Cairenn|sleep> are you REALLY asleep yet? |
| 12:16.40 | Tem|Sleep | Cair went to bed like 4 hours ago |
| 12:16.59 | Tem|Sleep | but then I "went to bed 2 hours ago" |
| 12:17.20 | AnduinLothar | figured i'd ask anyway |
| 12:18.41 | Tem|Sleep | aye, can't hurt |
| 12:21.41 | AnduinLothar | so, you guys all rdy for the patch? |
| 12:26.45 | Wobin_ | I'm looking forward to it fershure |
| 12:27.00 | Wobin_ | I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to respec though |
| 12:31.54 | Tem|Sleep | I |
| 12:31.58 | Tem|Sleep | 'm so not ready |
| 12:32.09 | Tem|Sleep | I planned to have test code that I could just load up |
| 12:32.14 | Tem|Sleep | and start working on |
| 12:32.18 | Tem|Sleep | but I'm no where near that point |
| 12:32.27 | Tem|Sleep | and it's Mardi Gras |
| 12:32.40 | Tem|Sleep | so I'm not likely to get to that point until after tuesday |
| 12:32.48 | Tem|Sleep | (and the hangover on wednesday) |
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| 13:31.13 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 14:49.42 | Cairenn|migraine | someone just shoot me, please |
| 14:49.55 | Elkano | oh :8 poor Cairenn|migraine :( |
| 14:50.06 | Elkano | need a rope? ;) |
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| 14:57.51 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 15:03.31 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn|migraine, If I was christian i would say my prayers are with you, but im not. |
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| 15:04.14 | Cairenn|migraine | good wishes are good wishes, no matter what your religion and hence the wording behind them, so thank you :) |
| 15:04.47 | Cairenn|migraine | but really, I'd just as happily accept a bullet in the brainpan right about now, would hurt less |
| 15:05.32 | Cairenn|migraine | probably not quite so good in the long run, but would definitely help short term |
| 15:06.14 | [MoonWolf] | How about you get either hubby or daughter to hit you on the head with a rubber hammer. |
| 15:06.16 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:06.52 | Cairenn|migraine | hubby in NYC, daughter at school |
| 15:07.01 | [MoonWolf] | walk into a wall ? |
| 15:07.12 | Cairenn|migraine | inevitably |
| 15:09.53 | Shouryuu | it's good to be french |
| 15:10.09 | Shouryuu | same meaning in french, and same speeling, almost : |
| 15:10.11 | Shouryuu | :P |
| 15:10.19 | [MoonWolf] | Last person that had me resorting to google for words was rowne. |
| 15:10.31 | Shouryuu | hehe |
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| 15:19.14 | Shouryuu | smite might turn out to be a good spell with talent changes |
| 15:23.45 | Tain | ~smite Shouryuu |
| 15:23.47 | purl | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Shouryuu from crown to sole. |
| 15:24.48 | Shouryuu|Maths | Run away, run away! |
| 15:26.04 | Tain | You have been smote! |
| 15:27.56 | Cairenn|migraine | or was he smitten? |
| 15:28.47 | Tain | I'm pretty sure that's the correct word, but it didn't sound as good in my head. :) |
| 15:29.05 | Shouryuu|Maths | smote or smitten? |
| 15:30.13 | Tain | Smotten? |
| 15:31.12 | Cairenn|migraine | smote is the past tense of smite, it is the action, smitten is what happens to the person on the receiving end |
| 15:31.28 | Tain | ahhh see nwo that makes sense! |
| 15:31.56 | Cairenn|migraine | purl smote him, he was smitten |
| 15:32.44 | Shouryuu|Maths | annnd where did you find all that? |
| 15:32.51 | Cairenn|migraine | my brainpan? |
| 15:33.09 | Tain | I would normally use www.m-w.com but I was also doing other stuffs and ... ok well I was lazy. |
| 15:33.25 | Shouryuu|Maths | I need to get one of those |
| 15:33.27 | Shouryuu|Maths | brainpan things |
| 15:34.03 | Cairenn|migraine | you can have mine if you want, I don't want it atm |
| 15:34.16 | Shouryuu|Maths | awww geeeee, thanks :p |
| 15:34.28 | Cairenn|migraine | always glad to help a friend |
| 15:35.59 | Shouryuu|Maths | :P |
| 15:36.08 | Shouryuu|Maths | Where can I see those logs btw |
| 15:36.31 | Cairenn|migraine | ~logs |
| 15:36.32 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 15:36.35 | Shouryuu|Maths | For the sake of trying to remember |
| 15:36.48 | Cairenn|migraine | (and that, btw, is the actual reason for having purl in the channel :p) |
| 15:36.50 | Shouryuu|Maths | thank you |
| 15:37.11 | Cairenn|migraine | specifically http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ |
| 15:37.12 | Shouryuu|Maths | Isn't he around to smite people? |
| 15:37.29 | Cairenn|migraine | only you |
| 15:38.15 | Shouryuu|Maths | hehe |
| 15:42.12 | Shouryuu|Maths | my god I attempted shakespeare... |
| 15:42.28 | Cairenn|migraine | indeed you did |
| 15:43.32 | Shouryuu|Maths | Poor guy, he must have felt sad in his grave... |
| 15:43.57 | Cairenn|migraine | I'm sure he was spinning |
| 15:44.37 | Cairenn|migraine | naw, I'm joking, you weren't actually doing that badly, given the condition you were in |
| 15:44.39 | Shouryuu|Maths | well yeah most of what I wrote deosn't make *that* much sens |
| 15:44.45 | Cairenn|migraine | heh |
| 15:44.48 | Shouryuu|Maths | even my sad attempt to french to write in french failed |
| 15:45.01 | Tain | Yes but look on the bright side! |
| 15:45.08 | Tain | No one here would KNOW that you failed writing in French. |
| 15:45.13 | Shouryuu|Maths | hehe |
| 15:45.21 | Cairenn|migraine | wanna bet? |
| 15:45.25 | Shouryuu|Maths | I actualy wrote one phrase without typos, I r proud |
| 15:45.28 | Shouryuu|Maths | purl would |
| 15:45.29 | Tain | Well, not many. ;) |
| 15:45.48 | Cairenn|migraine | actually, there really is a bright side to it Shouryuu|Maths |
| 15:45.48 | Tain | And those that would wouldn't say anything about it at that point. :) |
| 15:46.13 | Cairenn|migraine | you afforded the rest of us some measure of amusement, at least for a little while |
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| 15:46.33 | Shouryuu|Maths | until I started just blindly spamming things |
| 15:46.38 | Cairenn|migraine | yeah |
| 15:46.48 | Cairenn|migraine | then you got flat out annoying :p |
| 15:47.44 | Shouryuu|Maths | hehe sorry |
| 15:47.48 | Cairenn|migraine | np |
| 15:49.28 | Shouryuu|Maths | ok this time I'm really going to work my maths |
| 15:49.40 | Shouryuu|Maths | rawr out |
| 15:50.44 | futrtrubl | looks like Jamaica's next Prime Minister may be a woman |
| 15:51.01 | Cairenn|migraine | rock on |
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| 15:53.33 | Tain | Jamaica? No, she wanted to run. |
| 15:53.54 | Cairenn|migraine | Tain: you're repeating yourself |
| 15:53.56 | Wobin_ | ba-doom... tish |
| 15:54.01 | Cairenn|migraine | you've used that joke already |
| 15:54.10 | Tain | I'll keep using it until I stop laughing. :) |
| 15:54.17 | Cairenn|migraine | heh |
| 15:54.19 | Tain | Besides, that was a better use of it. |
| 15:54.24 | Cairenn|migraine | true |
| 15:55.13 | Tain | A friend of mine just told me she's having a corn dog and now I am really craving them. |
| 15:55.18 | Tain | I haven't had a corn dog in years. |
| 15:56.18 | Tain | Craving the corn dog, not the friend. |
| 15:56.28 | Tain | Well, I suppose.. No no we'll stick with the corn dog. |
| 15:56.31 | Cairenn|migraine | wasn't that part that I was re-reading |
| 15:57.23 | Tain | I don't know what part needs re-reading. :( |
| 15:57.35 | Cairenn|migraine | substitute h for c |
| 15:58.11 | Tain | hehe |
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| 16:08.19 | Eraphine|Lab | Someone ported ItemBonus over to BossPanel <jumps for joy> |
| 16:09.07 | Cairenn|migraine | would love to see a port of a few different things yet |
| 16:10.02 | Tain | Like what? I've always been more minimalistic with my addons so I don't even know what people out there really like to use. |
| 16:10.18 | Cairenn|migraine | had to take down the port of the emote menu though ... can just see the drama that's gonna happen over that one when xelepart gets my PM |
| 16:10.26 | Cairenn|migraine | portals menu |
| 16:10.46 | Wobin_ | why did you have to take it down? |
| 16:11.01 | Cairenn|migraine | also the one where you can add your mount icon |
| 16:11.25 | Wobin_ | add your mount icon? |
| 16:11.26 | Cairenn|migraine | because the original author, DSanai asked me too, since he wasn't consulted |
| 16:11.31 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 16:11.54 | Cairenn|migraine | tried to work it out, he was adamant, so had to concede |
| 16:12.02 | Wobin_ | Xele could write his own, though, couldn't he? |
| 16:12.04 | Cairenn|migraine | his right as the original author |
| 16:12.11 | Cairenn|migraine | he could |
| 16:12.16 | ckknight | xele made a pretty much direct port |
| 16:12.27 | Wobin_ | Since it's more the fact that he used the same code that's the issue, |
| 16:12.29 | Cairenn|migraine | no "pretty much" about it |
| 16:12.35 | Cairenn|migraine | yup |
| 16:12.56 | Tain | That's a tough spot to be in. |
| 16:13.06 | Cairenn|migraine | he didn't ask whether it was okay with DSanai, he didn't give credit to DSanai, I had to honour DSanai's request |
| 16:13.10 | Wobin_ | It's understandable though... |
| 16:13.22 | Cairenn|migraine | I've asked DSanai if he'll make a port of it then :p |
| 16:13.34 | Cairenn|migraine | we'll see |
| 16:13.40 | Wobin_ | Hope so =) |
| 16:13.54 | ckknight | he should have given credit |
| 16:14.10 | Cairenn|migraine | yup |
| 16:14.18 | Cairenn|migraine | there are a number that have been ported over that don't |
| 16:14.24 | Tain | There's no easy way out. I mean I'm of the opinion that he should at the very least credit the original author. But honestly that's even just a "common courtesy" thing. |
| 16:14.46 | Cairenn|migraine | and if the original author's ask that I take it down, that's our policy, so down it comes |
| 16:15.10 | Cairenn|migraine | s/'s/s/ |
| 16:15.11 | Tain | Well. Yeah. It's a tough spot to put you in. |
| 16:15.45 | Cairenn|migraine | a number of them have given credit |
| 16:16.04 | Tain | I have to be honest, I don't think it's up to Dsani to say you need to take it down. But, you do have to decide how the site handles those sorts of things so that's what you go with. |
| 16:16.30 | Cairenn|migraine | but even there, it goes beyond just giving credit (although that's usually enough to mollify) - if you are doing a *straight copy* of someone else's code, you really should be getting permission to use it |
| 16:16.35 | ckknight | I think that unless xele gave Dsani credit, he's essentially just stealing his work |
| 16:16.47 | Tain | Oh I agree there. |
| 16:17.10 | Tain | Ah I'm getting into theoreticals in my mind that really don't have any place. |
| 16:17.28 | Cairenn|migraine | that's the point ... remember, we support authors ... that includes acknowledgement of intellectual property |
| 16:18.57 | Tain | Yeah, not that it matters what I think, there's little points I'd like to argue on philosophical beliefs, but really in the end I do agree with you and with taking it down. |
| 16:20.02 | Cairenn|migraine | DSanai and I PM'd back and forth for a solid week, me trying to work it out so I didn't have to pull it, but the fact that xelepart didn't respond was the cincher |
| 16:20.21 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 16:21.27 | Cairenn|migraine | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.34 | Cairenn|migraine | aaaanyway |
| 16:22.20 | Cairenn|migraine | what does the metamap plug in do? not much description, since "it's a direct port of the titan panel plug in" /roll eyes |
| 16:22.28 | Tain | My first instinct is usually how I would react. I wouldn't care. Unless it was someone I had a personal issue with. :) But that doesn't mean I think that's how everyone else should be. |
| 16:24.12 | Cairenn|migraine | in a way, I consider it flattering to have someone else use my code, but otoh, I have also been annoyed when someone uses my code without having the common decency to check with me that it's okay to do so |
| 16:25.34 | Cairenn|migraine | I had it happen to me back in EQ ... someone took my UI in its entirety, code, layout, everything -stripped out the graphics, and uploaded it as their own ... |
| 16:26.03 | Wobin_ | It's called plagarism =P |
| 16:26.20 | Cairenn|migraine | on the one hand, glad they liked it so much ... on the other, hello, asking me would have been nice, and giving me credit in the write up would be nice |
| 16:26.49 | Cairenn|migraine | and duh, like I wasn't gonna see that they did it? they uploaded it to my site :p |
| 16:27.06 | Tain | yeah. |
| 16:27.17 | Tain | And for me I'd just as soon upload everything I do anonymously. :) |
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| 16:27.55 | Cairenn|migraine | Wobin_: you're replicating again dear |
| 16:28.30 | Cairenn|migraine | I mean, I know you are pretty awesome and all that, but really, one of you is enough ;) |
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| 16:31.09 | Cairenn|migraine | wb [MoonWolf] |
| 16:31.10 | Tain | My monitor *might* be under warrantee but even if it is they want a copy of the dated sales slip and original packaging? No way. heh |
| 16:31.23 | [MoonWolf] | thaks Cairenn |
| 16:31.24 | Cairenn|migraine | I hate that, so stupid :p |
| 16:31.39 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, more hardware problems ? |
| 16:31.44 | Cairenn|migraine | like, who keeps the boxes and everything? hello, there's only so much space |
| 16:32.01 | Tain | Especially a 19" monitor box. |
| 16:32.15 | Tain | This has been an on-going problem, Moon. I'm going to end up having to just throw out the monitor. |
| 16:32.40 | [MoonWolf] | sucky |
| 16:32.44 | Tain | There's no "authorized service center" near me so even if it is under warrantee it'll cost me as much to ship a 19" CRT as to buy a new one. Well, sort of. |
| 16:33.06 | [MoonWolf] | buying is going to be faster anyway |
| 16:34.14 | Tain | It's a second monitor, so cheaper is more important right now. |
| 16:34.21 | Tain | But still. |
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| 16:43.40 | Cairenn|migraine | wheee, pains gone |
| 16:43.55 | futr-sleep | ;'] |
| 16:44.10 | futr-sleep | I FELL BETTER! |
| 16:44.18 | futr-sleep | FEEL* |
| 16:44.39 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn|loopy, heavy duty painkillers ? |
| 16:44.45 | futr-sleep | to quote mad martigan |
| 16:45.06 | Cairenn|loopy | only took 2 fiorinal to knock this one down (for a few hours at least) |
| 16:46.04 | [MoonWolf] | yeah that should kill some nasty headaches. |
| 16:46.11 | sharkhat | amung other things.. lol |
| 16:46.19 | sharkhat | *among* |
| 16:46.41 | ckknight | hey, is there anything like getglobal("name") except for local values? |
| 16:46.55 | Cairenn|loopy | well, to put it in perspective, normally I can knock them out with a couple T1s ... about ~16 mg |
| 16:47.31 | Tain | Nope, not under warrantee. |
| 16:47.33 | sharkhat | Err... maybe your lifestyle is causing your migraines... |
| 16:47.40 | futr-sleep | ckknight, I wish, been looking for a while |
| 16:47.47 | ckknight | aw |
| 16:47.56 | Tain | No ckknight there isn't. It was discussed by a few people a few weeks back and nothing was found. |
| 16:47.58 | Cairenn|loopy | sharkhat: no, my geographical location is causing them |
| 16:48.04 | sharkhat | move to somwhere that your climate is opposite, |
| 16:48.11 | Cairenn|loopy | sharkhat: I'm triggered by barometric pressure changes |
| 16:48.15 | Tain | (Found as far as a workaround to do it anyway) |
| 16:48.28 | sharkhat | vacuum chamber? |
| 16:48.49 | Cairenn|loopy | and this one is the result of the snowstorm system *finally* moving out |
| 16:48.56 | [MoonWolf] | sharkhat, somehow people and vacuum dont mix. |
| 16:49.24 | [MoonWolf] | Fiorinal #3 contains: 30 mg codeine, 50 mg butalbital, 40 mg caffeine, and 325 mg aspirin. |
| 16:49.26 | Tain | You got that right, moon. Just look at my carpet and you'll see that. |
| 16:49.31 | Cairenn|loopy | s/the/the latest/ |
| 16:49.33 | [MoonWolf] | according to wikipedia. |
| 16:50.09 | Cairenn|loopy | [MoonWolf]: I don't take Fiorinal #3 ... I'm on Fiorinal C1/4s |
| 16:50.12 | [MoonWolf] | that has to be the best antihangover pill i have seen yet. |
| 16:50.55 | Cairenn|loopy | T1 = 8mg codeine, T3 = 30mg codeine, Fiorinal C1/4 = 250mg |
| 16:51.00 | Tain | hah all that does is mask the pain a little when some water would have erased it entirely. |
| 16:51.12 | Tain | (for hangover I mean) |
| 16:51.31 | sharkhat | moonwolf lol |
| 16:51.40 | Cairenn|loopy | plus the asa/caffeine/butalbital |
| 16:51.42 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, water takes longer i think... this should hit pretty fast on an empty stomache. |
| 16:52.17 | Cairenn|loopy | still took ~2 hrs to finally kick in |
| 16:52.40 | [MoonWolf] | damn normal aspirine after dinner goes a lot faster |
| 16:53.30 | Cairenn|loopy | evidence of how bad this one is ... normally I get by on a couple T1s |
| 16:53.43 | Tain | Depends on the person too. Vicodin doesn't affect me one bit, I don't even bother with aspirin anymore. |
| 16:54.06 | Tain | Caffeine helps me at least, sometimes. |
| 16:54.42 | Cairenn|loopy | this is a large part of the reason why when daughter graduates from highschool, probably moving to somewhere that the climate has less storm systems that pass through, in general |
| 16:54.50 | Cairenn|loopy | not the only reason, but part of it |
| 16:55.18 | Tain | I heartily endorse the California Bay area. :) |
| 16:55.27 | Cairenn|loopy | considering it |
| 16:55.39 | Cairenn|loopy | AU is also under discussion, for various reasons |
| 16:55.52 | Tain | A wee bit (ok totally and completely) off topic but... http://www.flickr.com/photos/junku/sets/303691/with/21269384 |
| 16:56.04 | [MoonWolf] | AU as in australia ? |
| 16:56.15 | Cairenn|loopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.40 | [MoonWolf] | from snowy to desert ? |
| 16:56.56 | Cairenn|loopy | <= S.A.D. |
| 16:57.08 | Cairenn|loopy | need sunshine |
| 16:57.21 | Cairenn|loopy | errr |
| 16:57.24 | Cairenn|loopy | shit |
| 16:57.37 | Tain | Look at the flying cats! |
| 16:59.12 | [MoonWolf] | that guy needs to have like awesome foto skills |
| 16:59.18 | [MoonWolf] | Epic even. |
| 17:00.24 | Cairenn|loopy | better cats: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/video/funnycats.zip |
| 17:00.57 | [MoonWolf] | your cats or something ? |
| 17:01.10 | Cairenn|loopy | wa5tch |
| 17:01.52 | Legorol^ | loopy? O.o |
| 17:01.55 | Legorol^ | what's that mean |
| 17:02.03 | Legorol^ | you going around in circles? |
| 17:02.51 | Cairenn|loopy | luv the cat & baby one, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute <3 |
| 17:03.01 | [MoonWolf] | . 1) Coined by David "master of the late-night" Letterman. Describing the general demeanor of a silly, strange, crazed individual. 2) A PPSA member with very many compact discs is considered to have a great amount of loopiness. |
| 17:03.56 | [MoonWolf] | the two cats in the kitchen are the best. |
| 17:04.43 | Cairenn|loopy | love the kitten jumping for the desk, little bum wiggling as he psyches himnself up to make the jump |
| 17:05.01 | [MoonWolf] | and falls short |
| 17:05.15 | Cairenn|loopy | and the one attacking the dog |
| 17:05.28 | Cairenn|loopy | cute video, ufnnny |
| 17:05.31 | Cairenn|loopy | funny* |
| 17:05.32 | [MoonWolf] | we need cats like that in our hose |
| 17:05.42 | [MoonWolf] | ours are to smart to do funny stuff like that |
| 17:06.29 | [MoonWolf] | i swear the oldest one crosses a street like an 8 year old that has yust been told to watch for cars the first time |
| 17:08.27 | [MoonWolf] | A team of undergraduates at the university in Socorro designed a ceramic mug that can fall 15 feet onto concrete pavement and still hold a full cup of java afterward without leaking. |
| 17:08.38 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2006-02-26-coffee-mug-drop_x.htm?csp=15 |
| 17:12.47 | [MoonWolf] | im feeling kinda lonely now |
| 17:12.49 | [MoonWolf] | nobody loves me. |
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| 17:20.43 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:20.48 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 17:21.39 | Shouryuu | Fatboy slim's new album is kinda cool |
| 17:23.02 | Shouryuu | nighty night |
| 17:23.25 | Cairenn|sleep | dayy day |
| 17:24.31 | Shouryuu | =P |
| 17:24.41 | Osagasu | Go to bed. |
| 17:25.34 | Cairenn|sleep | that all of them ckknight? |
| 17:26.02 | Cairenn|sleep | panel, loc, startter, ammo |
| 17:26.20 | krka|work | hmm... sorting 700 rows in a html table with javascript is pretty slow |
| 17:30.23 | Cairenn|sleep | ckknight ? |
| 17:34.24 | Shouryuu | Does Iriel's castAway still work? |
| 17:34.47 | Shouryuu | dunno why it wouldn't, but does he still work on/update it? |
| 17:38.19 | Cairenn|sleep | ask him when he gets in channel? |
| 17:39.44 | Shouryuu | will do |
| 17:41.07 | Legorol^ | i don't think CastAway is by Iriel |
| 17:41.38 | JoshBorke | do raidIDs change when groups are re-arrangeD? |
| 17:42.04 | Legorol^ | JoshBorke: afaik no |
| 17:42.21 | Legorol^ | i have never been in a "big" raid, but participated in many discussions about raidIDs, so i have some idea of how they work |
| 17:42.33 | Legorol^ | unless someone comes and corrects me, this is my understanding: |
| 17:42.52 | Legorol^ | once you get assigned a raidID for a particular dungeon, it stays with you until the dungeon gets reset |
| 17:43.11 | Legorol^ | no matter how you rearrange your group/raid, people keep their raidIDs |
| 17:43.49 | Legorol^ | when you enter a dungeon, you end up in the instance for which you hold the ID |
| 17:44.36 | Shouryuu | I'd agree, no expert on it but that's how I understand it as well |
| 17:45.18 | JoshBorke | hm, i mean raid unit id? |
| 17:45.30 | Legorol^ | oh oops, totally off the topic then :D |
| 17:45.39 | JoshBorke | yea, that was my mistake :-) |
| 17:45.42 | Legorol^ | yes those change, i beleive |
| 17:45.48 | JoshBorke | that stinks :-/ |
| 17:46.02 | Legorol^ | i think it's my mistake, when you said raid ID i thought you meant "instance ID" |
| 17:46.04 | Legorol^ | or some such |
| 17:53.27 | krka|work | lego, so if you get invited to a group with A and B, who each hold a different raidID, which one do you get? |
| 17:53.34 | krka|work | the leaders ID? |
| 17:53.50 | JoshBorke | krka: it depends |
| 17:53.58 | JoshBorke | krka: your raidID is set when you kill a boss |
| 17:54.10 | JoshBorke | krka: so if you don't kill a boss with group A, then you don't get their ID |
| 17:54.25 | krka|work | but the instance itself depends on ID |
| 17:54.45 | krka|work | just by entering the instance requires that you have an id |
| 17:55.12 | JoshBorke | krka: the raid instance joining goes like this i believe: if you have a raidID, then you join your instance. If you do not, then you join the leaders instance |
| 17:55.30 | krka|work | i see |
| 17:55.35 | krka|work | makes sense |
| 17:55.54 | JoshBorke | and if the leader does not have a raidId and you do, well, promote you to leader and let them join your instance :-) |
| 17:58.36 | krka|work | that's the suggestion or how the system works? |
| 17:58.48 | JoshBorke | suggestion :-) |
| 17:58.54 | JoshBorke | otherwise you get cross-instance raids |
| 18:02.12 | krka|work | i hate it when stuff gets cross at me, especially instance raids :( |
| 18:02.24 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 18:51.21 | JoshBorke | if i were to add simple timers to my mod, would it be better to require a mod that already does that (timex/chronos) or just roll my own? |
| 18:53.07 | AnduinLothar | depends on what timers, if you feel like writing your own code, and if you feel like tailoring to lib-haters |
| 18:56.54 | JoshBorke | hm, if i did it as a dependency on timex/chronos, it would be optional and they just wouldn't get the feature |
| 18:57.03 | JoshBorke | what do you think? |
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| 19:01.01 | Shouryuu | rrrrrrawr |
| 19:01.37 | JoshBorke | i r escared? |
| 19:02.21 | JoshBorke | and so forth and so on |
| 19:02.37 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 19:03.11 | JoshBorke | if i were to add simple timers to my mod, would it be better to require a mod that already does that (timex/chronos) or just roll my own? if i did it as a dependency on timex/chronos then it would be optional and the feature would be removed. what do you think? |
| 19:05.11 | Shouryuu | well, if I were you, I'd add a dependency to timex/chronos for two reasons: They are, from what I heard, very efficently coded. And I don't think I'd be able to make one. |
| 19:05.37 | Shouryuu | So if you think you can write an effeciently coded timer, than implement it, because people run away from dependencies |
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| 19:06.46 | Shouryuu | s/then/than/ |
| 19:07.21 | AnduinLothar | that's pretty much it. But if you don't like people whining at you , then don't make your addons public |
| 19:07.35 | Shouryuu | if I were to write s/then/than would purl loop? |
| 19:07.43 | AnduinLothar | then you can purely save yourself worry and use the dep of your choice |
| 19:07.46 | Shouryuu | no he wouldn't |
| 19:08.32 | Shouryuu | well dependencies tend to make poeple run away "Oh no, I have one more link to clink on" or "Ugh... Another addon I'll have to update..." |
| 19:09.06 | Tain | Nope! |
| 19:09.48 | Tain | I actually think the worries about dependancies are mostly overstated. |
| 19:09.48 | Shouryuu | I know |
| 19:09.49 | Tain | It's just that there are a few very vocal people. |
| 19:09.52 | Shouryuu | but the general usuer doesn't know that |
| 19:09.57 | Tain | Which makes it always seem like a bigger deal. |
| 19:10.00 | Shouryuu | s/usuer/user |
| 19:10.05 | Shouryuu | yup |
| 19:10.08 | Shouryuu | argh |
| 19:10.11 | Shouryuu | forgot the last / |
| 19:10.14 | Shouryuu | nvm |
| 19:11.02 | Shouryuu | hahaha |
| 19:11.05 | Shouryuu | I love this guy |
| 19:11.46 | Shouryuu | "My first time I j****** off, I thought I'd invented, I thought, "This is going to make me rich" " |
| 19:12.12 | Shouryuu | Chuck Palahniuk, *huggles* |
| 19:14.40 | Tain | haha |
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| 19:32.52 | Shouryuu | lol suntiger... moonwolf :P |
| 19:34.43 | Shouryuu | awww another forum bu |
| 19:34.43 | Shouryuu | g |
| 19:35.15 | Shouryuu | If you edit a message which had the [pre] tag in it, well the first one will automaticaly cahnge to be a [/pre] and not a [pre] =( |
| 19:35.43 | Tem | lol you just found that out? |
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| 19:44.01 | AnduinLothar | noobs... someone whining that after they installed cosmos "retrieving character list" took forever.. |
| 19:49.15 | Gryphen | well transmitting all their personal info to cosmos servers takes a while |
| 19:49.44 | AnduinLothar | oh, right... silly me |
| 19:50.03 | AnduinLothar | uploading all their porn too |
| 19:50.38 | AnduinLothar | and establishing their box as a web portal for p2p |
| 19:51.25 | AnduinLothar | anyone ever used prolog? |
| 19:51.40 | Shouryuu | nay |
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| 19:52.48 | JoshBorke | ok, how can i convert the seconds provided by GetTime() to a hour/minute format? |
| 19:52.54 | AnduinLothar | i hate the way he chose .pl as the extension..... never heard of PERL!?! |
| 19:53.17 | AnduinLothar | depends josh, how do you want it? |
| 19:53.30 | JoshBorke | <minutes>:<seconds> |
| 19:54.02 | krka | i have used prolog... piece of crap |
| 19:54.03 | JoshBorke | i'm just not sure which function to pass it in to |
| 19:54.16 | Tain | Heeeeey was that sarcasm about .pl as the extension for prolog? |
| 19:54.51 | AnduinLothar | Sea.sting.fromTime(time, decimalplaces) |
| 19:54.55 | AnduinLothar | string* |
| 19:55.21 | AnduinLothar | sarcasm? |
| 19:55.29 | Tain | I just want to make sure since Prolog was invented a good 25 years before perl. |
| 19:55.41 | JoshBorke | er, do i have to use sea? lol |
| 19:55.50 | AnduinLothar | right, sarcasm |
| 19:55.58 | krka | also, .p is used by pascal, so that wouldn't work either |
| 19:56.05 | Shouryuu | what is prolog? |
| 19:56.27 | Tain | Prolog is a programming language developed in the late 60s (if memory serves) |
| 19:56.30 | krka | a kind of programming language |
| 19:56.30 | AnduinLothar | karl's never sarcastic... |
| 19:56.39 | krka | can't remember what the classification was called |
| 19:56.48 | krka | ah, declarative |
| 19:57.09 | AnduinLothar | trying to figure out how to load files command-line |
| 19:57.09 | Shouryuu | ok I'll just remember the programming language developed in the late 60s |
| 19:57.23 | krka | really useless stuff |
| 19:57.37 | AnduinLothar | well, there are some uses for it still |
| 19:57.40 | Tain | At least it's not Logo! |
| 19:57.55 | krka | you're supposed to only tell prolog what rules there are and what facts you have, and prolog figures out the rest |
| 19:58.01 | krka | in practice, that never works |
| 19:58.08 | AnduinLothar | i think the NFL uses it to schedule games... |
| 19:58.23 | Tain | Yeah actually I'm sure I'd sound much more knowledgable about it if I just used Google, but Prolog is still used in different logic solving things. |
| 19:58.29 | krka | the order you write the rules in matter, and stuff like that |
| 19:58.42 | AnduinLothar | and they're using it for nano-scale chip troubleshooting |
| 19:58.54 | krka | and usually you have to write really unintuitive rules to do what you want |
| 19:59.23 | krka | i prefer to use a backtracking search algorithm in any other language |
| 19:59.30 | krka | it's easier to code and will probably run faster |
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| 20:00.03 | Shouryuu | yeah backtracking search algorithm are quite nice |
| 20:00.08 | Shouryuu | ((wtf are those?!)) :P |
| 20:00.18 | AnduinLothar | ya, well prologs so easy to use I'm pretty sure my mom could figure it out.. |
| 20:00.28 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:00.32 | Shouryuu | I;m sure my mom couldn |
| 20:00.33 | Shouryuu | t |
| 20:00.40 | AnduinLothar | my mom aims me |
| 20:00.43 | Tain | Why are mattress and boxsprings so big. I always factor in one less trip than I'm goign to need when moving because I always forget they take up so much room. |
| 20:00.50 | Tain | My mom used to try to IM me... |
| 20:01.30 | Shouryuu | IM? |
| 20:01.32 | krka | really? your mom is pretty smart then |
| 20:02.01 | AnduinLothar | my grandfather does video editting.. |
| 20:02.08 | AnduinLothar | digital |
| 20:02.40 | AnduinLothar | he doesn't aim me tho...email occatioanlly |
| 20:02.45 | Shouryuu | my grandfather KICKS your ass at excel |
| 20:02.55 | Shouryuu | well mine at least |
| 20:02.56 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 20:03.02 | Shouryuu | I mean he whoops it around |
| 20:04.10 | Shouryuu | first time he called me for help, I was thinking "Heh, noob, he's going to ask me where his mouse was (he's on a laptop)" I saw his excel and went "I dunno that" |
| 20:04.29 | krka | prefersTo(X, Y, Z) :- preflist(X, List), before(Y, Z, List). |
| 20:04.29 | krka | before(X, Y, [X|T]) :- member(Y, T). |
| 20:04.29 | krka | before(X, Y, [_|T]) :- before(X, Y, T). |
| 20:04.53 | krka | you can't say that's very easy compared to a imperative solution |
| 20:04.55 | Shouryuu | that's prolog? |
| 20:05.00 | krka | yes |
| 20:05.05 | krka | i found some old school stuff |
| 20:05.06 | Shouryuu | looks fun |
| 20:05.10 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:05.19 | AnduinLothar | that's because you're not using it for something prolog is good at |
| 20:05.20 | krka | pretty easy homework |
| 20:05.37 | krka | what is prolog good at then? |
| 20:05.38 | AnduinLothar | but that's not the worst |
| 20:06.11 | AnduinLothar | prolog is good at being assigned to college students for hw they hate |
| 20:06.12 | krka | if it's just searching and filtering with rules, then it's really not very useful compared to any imperative or functional language imo |
| 20:06.19 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:06.51 | krka | ok, here's some easier to understand code: |
| 20:07.02 | krka | child(X, Y):-parent(Y, X). |
| 20:07.02 | krka | son(X, Y):- |
| 20:07.02 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.12 | krka | also from some of my homework |
| 20:08.12 | Shouryuu | how old is that homework? |
| 20:08.46 | krka | does it matter? |
| 20:08.49 | Tain | Yeesh. |
| 20:09.11 | Tain | Not every topic you learn is because you're doing to apply that topic to lter life. |
| 20:09.37 | krka | agreed |
| 20:09.37 | Shouryuu | well I'm just curious, I don't have my homework from last week, and if you're pulling homework from years ago... |
| 20:09.54 | krka | probably 3-4 years ago |
| 20:10.04 | krka | was sitting on my school account |
| 20:10.16 | Shouryuu | oh yeah |
| 20:10.21 | Shouryuu | americans are computerized |
| 20:10.24 | AnduinLothar | i have all my programming hw since hs |
| 20:10.27 | krka | i am not american |
| 20:10.29 | Shouryuu | france = pen & paper |
| 20:10.31 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 20:10.45 | AnduinLothar | anything on paper is gone |
| 20:10.47 | JoshBorke | ew, prolog is THAT type of language? |
| 20:10.47 | Shouryuu | As stated above, I threw away last weeks homework |
| 20:11.07 | AnduinLothar | i have most of my essays and papers too since hw |
| 20:11.09 | AnduinLothar | hs* |
| 20:11.20 | Shouryuu | that is impressive |
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| 20:11.38 | krka | i can't really think of anything useful i've learned from using prolog |
| 20:12.15 | AnduinLothar | hmmm... my text document folder is >50mb... |
| 20:12.58 | AnduinLothar | ahh... got some large pdfs including images |
| 20:12.58 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:13.34 | AnduinLothar | but that's only liek 3mb.. |
| 20:14.31 | Shouryuu | I really am the most disorganised person on earth |
| 20:14.31 | AnduinLothar | i still have 30mb of java source files from the past 4 years of coding.. |
| 20:15.27 | AnduinLothar | heh... my Interface folder is 50mb too... O.o |
| 20:15.49 | AnduinLothar | atlas is only 14mb of that.. |
| 20:16.10 | Shouryuu | I use 5 addons actually |
| 20:16.14 | Shouryuu | none more :p |
| 20:16.21 | AnduinLothar | that's a lot of text.. no wonder it takes so long to load, lolz |
| 20:16.26 | Shouryuu | is there a way to get passed the 500 guild member bug? |
| 20:16.49 | JoshBorke | wow, atlas is 14mb? |
| 20:16.56 | Shouryuu | pictures = phat |
| 20:17.08 | Shouryuu | but it's a very cool addon |
| 20:17.29 | JoshBorke | i like metamap |
| 20:17.58 | Shouryuu | I don't care at all |
| 20:18.05 | Shouryuu | if it shows me the instances, then cool |
| 20:18.15 | AnduinLothar | metamap does |
| 20:18.47 | AnduinLothar | ok prolog is giving me hell.. |
| 20:19.33 | AnduinLothar | was a bitch to install on an outdated os... and now i can't figure out how o load files correctly commandline |
| 20:19.40 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:20.11 | AnduinLothar | sposed to just be [filename]. |
| 20:20.16 | AnduinLothar | but that's not working.. |
| 20:20.47 | Shouryuu | the dumbest I've ever felt in front of my computer is when I instaled linux and ended with no GUI, no access to help, without knowing how to get rid of GRUBS, which prevented me from installing Windows back =P |
| 20:21.04 | AnduinLothar | gj |
| 20:21.11 | Shouryuu | hehe thanks :P |
| 20:21.27 | AnduinLothar | i feel pretty stupid every time i forget how to install a unix app |
| 20:21.48 | AnduinLothar | or when makefile isn't working.. |
| 20:21.55 | krka | apt-get install <app-name> isn't so hard |
| 20:22.16 | AnduinLothar | you'd be surprised at how poor my memory is |
| 20:22.27 | Shouryuu | krka I tried |
| 20:22.36 | Shouryuu | I installed Gnome |
| 20:22.40 | Shouryuu | but had NO idea how to actualy *launch* it |
| 20:23.40 | AnduinLothar | and there we have it... filenames must be typed in lowercase, regardless of filename case |
| 20:23.47 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:24.15 | AnduinLothar | and my noob teacher musta given us a file in caps just to pwn us |
| 20:24.34 | krka | startx or gdm |
| 20:24.43 | Shouryuu | my god... |
| 20:25.01 | Shouryuu | I spent 5 days trying to find something, reading helps, without knowing what I was actualy looking for... |
| 20:25.14 | Shouryuu | I felt so dumb that day |
| 20:25.18 | krka | yeah, the beginning sucks |
| 20:25.26 | Shouryuu | I was like *whipeee! I have linux* |
| 20:25.35 | krka | what distribution did you try? |
| 20:25.45 | Shouryuu | I saw the black screen and went *whooooops, maybe this wasn't such a good idea* |
| 20:25.47 | Shouryuu | debian |
| 20:25.54 | Shouryuu | ubuntu wouldn't install, dunno why |
| 20:26.04 | krka | hm, debian might not be the best beginners dist :P |
| 20:26.15 | Shouryuu | well we actualy advised it to me :P |
| 20:26.21 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.10 | krka | we? |
| 20:27.23 | krka | might want to give mepis a try |
| 20:27.39 | krka | heard good things about mandriva too |
| 20:28.20 | Shouryuu | well "we" as in several people did |
| 20:28.38 | Shouryuu | Meh I'll try kubuntu, I like the name :P |
| 20:28.54 | AnduinLothar | i tried to install mepis on my mac for kicks... didn't really work so well |
| 20:29.01 | AnduinLothar | 64-bit OS and all |
| 20:29.41 | krka | i only tried it on x86 |
| 20:30.29 | AnduinLothar | i'll try it again once i get my macintel |
| 20:47.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-66-123-190-42.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 20:50.25 | Iriel | Morning |
| 20:51.00 | Iriel | Actually, Afternoon here, time flies |
| 20:52.43 | krka | time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana |
| 20:53.57 | AnduinLothar | or a pear |
| 20:54.42 | Shouryuu|AFK | Iriel, did you write CastAway? |
| 20:55.01 | AnduinLothar | how do i force evaluation of math in prolog? |
| 20:55.23 | AnduinLothar | so that Var*Var evals |
| 20:55.53 | Iriel | Shouryuu | No, AfterCast is mine, CastAway was around before I started doing UI stuff. |
| 20:56.30 | Iriel | It's been over a decade since I had to endure prolog, I have no idea. |
| 20:56.32 | Shouryuu | Ahhh that's where the confusion might come from... Ok thanks :P |
| 20:56.36 | krka | and this is why you don't use prolog :P |
| 20:56.50 | AnduinLothar | it's hw... i have no choice |
| 20:56.58 | krka | ah |
| 20:57.03 | krka | i know and feel your pain |
| 20:57.40 | Iriel | Surely the intarweb can help you out? |
| 20:57.59 | AnduinLothar | well i was reading the manual... that was my first mistake.. |
| 20:58.00 | krka | X is Y + Z? |
| 20:58.07 | krka | or * in your case |
| 20:58.21 | AnduinLothar | cents(Denom, Number, Number*Value) :- value(Denom, Value). |
| 20:58.42 | AnduinLothar | just seems to return N*V |
| 20:58.49 | AnduinLothar | and not the evaluation.. |
| 20:59.03 | krka | return? |
| 20:59.11 | krka | no return values in prolog |
| 20:59.17 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 20:59.25 | AnduinLothar | cents(nickle, 5, A). |
| 20:59.29 | krka | what is the variable in your case? |
| 20:59.31 | AnduinLothar | A = 5*5 |
| 20:59.46 | AnduinLothar | rather than 25 |
| 21:00.31 | krka | cents(Denom, Number, X) :- value(Denom, Value), X is Number * Value |
| 21:00.38 | krka | maybe |
| 21:00.50 | AnduinLothar | i tried that with X = Number * Value |
| 21:00.54 | AnduinLothar | got the same thing |
| 21:00.56 | krka | = is not the same as is |
| 21:01.07 | AnduinLothar | mmm pretty sure.. |
| 21:01.33 | krka | pretty sure it isn't |
| 21:01.55 | Iriel | Isn't it cents(Denom, Number, C) :- C is Denom * Number |
| 21:01.58 | AnduinLothar | mmk, your way works |
| 21:02.19 | AnduinLothar | not in mycase iriel |
| 21:02.43 | AnduinLothar | cause i have vale as decralarions earlier |
| 21:02.47 | AnduinLothar | value* |
| 21:02.55 | AnduinLothar | value(quarter, 25). |
| 21:02.55 | AnduinLothar | value(dime, 10). |
| 21:02.56 | AnduinLothar | value(nickle, 5). |
| 21:02.56 | AnduinLothar | value(penny, 1). |
| 21:03.09 | Iriel | krka's is ah, gotcha |
| 21:03.31 | Iriel | yes, krka's is doing the extra value bit I didn't quite follow |
| 21:03.47 | AnduinLothar | so what's the diff between = and is? |
| 21:04.26 | krka | hmm... how did you do queries again? |
| 21:04.30 | krka | i forget how to do stuff |
| 21:04.37 | AnduinLothar | use a var |
| 21:04.38 | krka | is _assigns_ = _compaers_ |
| 21:04.46 | krka | example please, i don't remember anything |
| 21:04.47 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 21:04.49 | Iriel | isn't = and == the difference between same-object and equal-value |
| 21:04.49 | AnduinLothar | cents(nickle, 5, A). |
| 21:04.53 | krka | tanks |
| 21:04.54 | Iriel | But I dont remember which way around they go |
| 21:05.39 | Iriel | = is 'must be equal in value' |
| 21:05.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zeeg (i=wguru@67.63.83.227) |
| 21:06.17 | krka | huk(X, Y, Z) :- X is Y * Z. |
| 21:06.18 | Iriel | I believe if you'd wrapped your earlier version in some sort of guard (is that the right term) you'd have forced evaluation |
| 21:06.36 | krka | | ?- huk(bleh, 6, 9). |
| 21:06.37 | krka | no |
| 21:06.45 | krka | why doesn't it work? :( |
| 21:07.27 | AnduinLothar | Bleh |
| 21:07.30 | krka | ah |
| 21:07.31 | krka | thanks |
| 21:07.34 | krka | forgot about that difference |
| 21:07.59 | AnduinLothar | right ir, but what is the guard syntax.. |
| 21:08.31 | Iriel | You're the one studying this, it should be fresh for you! 8-) |
| 21:08.43 | Iriel | I'm trying to piece together old memories and google search results |
| 21:08.53 | AnduinLothar | she only went over rudimentary things in class, is was useless |
| 21:12.19 | krka | is is useful! |
| 21:13.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge A|CoT|Kremonte (n=dan@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:13.50 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 21:14.17 | Kremonte | Dear God of Hardware, You suck, Love, Kremonte |
| 21:15.47 | AnduinLothar | how do i unlead a file w/o closing prolog.. |
| 21:15.53 | AnduinLothar | unload* |
| 21:19.00 | Kremonte | ^_____________^ |
| 21:19.37 | Kremonte | my desktop's video card was broken so i bought an upgrade, and a pcie mobo, and a socket 775 processor to fit the mobo, and a new mobo, and now i need a new PSU |
| 21:21.05 | Shouryuu | no idea what a PSU is |
| 21:21.47 | Kremonte | power supply |
| 21:22.16 | Shouryuu | aahh |
| 21:22.36 | Shouryuu | You've basicly bought a new computer |
| 21:23.01 | AnduinLothar | is it a ui bug? |
| 21:23.10 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 21:23.30 | Kremonte | Shouryuu: yes |
| 21:23.34 | Kremonte | pretty much |
| 21:23.47 | Kremonte | when all i wanted was a goddam video card.. |
| 21:23.52 | Tem|DoingStuff | s/chai/changi/ |
| 21:24.39 | Shouryuu | well I guess Slouken will se it in dew time |
| 21:24.40 | Shouryuu | untill then |
| 21:24.44 | Kremonte | do8(****888 |
| 21:24.50 | Shouryuu | there;s me and essaym to stealth bump:p |
| 21:25.07 | AnduinLothar | dew time? already? sweet! |
| 21:25.47 | Tem | meh I don't care all that much if it never gets fixed |
| 21:25.51 | Shouryuu | or however you write that :p |
| 21:25.57 | Kremonte | due |
| 21:26.00 | Tem | If you leave the raid, you don't deserve loot |
| 21:26.00 | Kremonte | ^^; |
| 21:26.00 | Shouryuu | sorry |
| 21:26.11 | Shouryuu | I feel... dumb now |
| 21:26.13 | Kremonte | due is what you use pertaining to time |
| 21:26.17 | Kremonte | hey, you're french ;P |
| 21:26.23 | Kremonte | my french is laughable |
| 21:26.24 | Shouryuu | well my french isn't better :P |
| 21:26.27 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:26.33 | Shouryuu | you weren't born in paris :P |
| 21:26.47 | Kremonte | you weren't born in an english speaking country ^_____________________^ |
| 21:27.02 | Kremonte | i'm gay cuz im a frenchophoney! |
| 21:27.12 | Shouryuu | yeah, New York isn't an english speaking country :P |
| 21:27.29 | Kremonte | lol |
| 21:27.38 | Shouryuu | I've lived a total of 8 month of my life in france. I'm 18 =D |
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| 21:29.08 | Kremonte | lol |
| 21:29.18 | Kremonte | i've lived a total of 14 years of my life in new york :D |
| 21:30.32 | AnduinLothar | i make things too complicated.. |
| 21:30.39 | Kremonte | Que? |
| 21:30.58 | Shouryuu | Why simplify when you can compicate... |
| 21:30.58 | AnduinLothar | this would be cake if i didn't abstract it |
| 21:31.20 | Kremonte | i'm about to try soloing stitches at 29 mage |
| 21:31.45 | Kremonte | mmm hope i don't get many resists |
| 21:32.15 | AnduinLothar | you lose |
| 21:32.28 | AnduinLothar | stitches has 30x more hp than anything its level |
| 21:33.44 | [MoonWolf] | he should have |
| 21:33.52 | Kremonte | nah andu |
| 21:33.52 | [MoonWolf] | he is one tough dude |
| 21:33.53 | Iriel | Is the GC / GC Threshold logic really THAT complicated? Am I doing people a disservice by assuming it's simple? |
| 21:34.09 | Kremonte | have himmmmmm |
| 21:34.11 | Kremonte | at half |
| 21:34.58 | Iriel | (I mean is it that complicated to understand) |
| 21:35.01 | Iriel | (I know how it works) |
| 21:35.08 | Shouryuu | who's stiches? |
| 21:35.11 | Kremonte | aaaand five level 60 rogues just attacked me |
| 21:35.12 | Kremonte | wow |
| 21:35.12 | AnduinLothar | there we go. I win! |
| 21:35.17 | Kremonte | what i'm wondering |
| 21:35.18 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 21:35.24 | Kremonte | wtf are 5 level 60 undead rogues doing in duskwood\ |
| 21:35.29 | Iriel | ganking |
| 21:35.31 | [MoonWolf] | killing you |
| 21:35.32 | Iriel | I hate duskwood |
| 21:35.33 | AnduinLothar | heading to ZG |
| 21:35.35 | Shouryuu | and they suceeded! |
| 21:35.42 | Kremonte | i doubt they are heading to zg |
| 21:35.45 | Kremonte | they are all in SC |
| 21:35.51 | Kremonte | on level 40 mounts hahaha |
| 21:35.52 | AnduinLothar | i always go through dusk to get to zg |
| 21:35.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:35.59 | [MoonWolf] | Nightmare awaits me, blinking light. |
| 21:36.00 | Shouryuu | you alliance? |
| 21:36.03 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 21:36.03 | Kremonte | er anduin |
| 21:36.07 | Kremonte | they wouldnt be in duskwood... |
| 21:36.09 | Kremonte | as horde? |
| 21:36.14 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 21:36.15 | Kremonte | wtf FP would they take, gromgol is closer |
| 21:36.21 | Shouryuu | Horde goes to GG |
| 21:36.25 | Shouryuu | it takes 15seconds |
| 21:36.29 | AnduinLothar | right right |
| 21:36.38 | Kremonte | got stiches to 43%, i would have killed him |
| 21:36.45 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 21:36.57 | Shouryuu | I'm tempted to believe horde have "the upper" hand on flight path and such |
| 21:37.07 | Shouryuu | they have UC next to Strat and Scholo |
| 21:37.16 | Shouryuu | GG next to ZG |
| 21:37.16 | Kremonte | yeah... |
| 21:37.25 | Kremonte | you have the upper hand on a good deal |
| 21:37.28 | Shouryuu | going to MC sucks, but we just go to GG and then Karagath |
| 21:37.33 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:37.42 | Shouryuu | I don't agree there |
| 21:37.49 | Shouryuu | Things are pretty evened out |
| 21:37.50 | Kremonte | o noes, shadowmeld! |
| 21:37.53 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:37.55 | Kremonte | "hey i five manned razorgore yesterday" |
| 21:38.02 | Kremonte | "yeah, 4 shamans and a priest" |
| 21:38.21 | Shouryuu | awwww you whine about shamans because you don't have to fight paladins |
| 21:38.24 | Kremonte | eh? |
| 21:38.27 | Kremonte | i didnt say pallies aren't annoying |
| 21:38.30 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:38.34 | AnduinLothar | lol pallies suck pvp |
| 21:38.39 | Kremonte | not that much |
| 21:38.42 | Shouryuu | They are UBER pvp healrers |
| 21:38.42 | Kremonte | have this DPSadin in my guild |
| 21:38.44 | Shouryuu | I mean uber |
| 21:38.47 | AnduinLothar | shamies own pvp |
| 21:38.49 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:38.50 | Kremonte | i have never won a duel vs him |
| 21:38.54 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:38.55 | Kremonte | i can beat most shammies 1v1 |
| 21:39.01 | AnduinLothar | i have a dps pally myself |
| 21:39.12 | Kremonte | does he get triple crits for 1.4k? |
| 21:39.14 | Shouryuu | Most shammies are noobs imo, I only know a few VERY good shamans |
| 21:39.15 | AnduinLothar | dueling != pvp |
| 21:39.15 | Kremonte | 1.4k per hit |
| 21:39.22 | Kremonte | i'm talking about the actual fight part |
| 21:39.28 | Kremonte | i have dueled shaman as well |
| 21:39.32 | zeeg | id`, around? |
| 21:39.46 | Shouryuu | haven't heard him |
| 21:39.46 | AnduinLothar | dueling a pally is decent |
| 21:39.50 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:39.52 | AnduinLothar | pvp a pally sucks |
| 21:39.59 | Shouryuu | He's just a mad healbit |
| 21:40.01 | Shouryuu | *bot |
| 21:40.06 | Shouryuu | I'd pay to be a Pally in BG |
| 21:40.11 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 21:40.17 | AnduinLothar | and get no hk's |
| 21:40.17 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.22 | Shouryuu | hey, I'm a priest |
| 21:40.29 | AnduinLothar | priests no own pvp |
| 21:40.31 | [MoonWolf] | Shouryuu, try paladins as a warlock |
| 21:40.32 | AnduinLothar | now* |
| 21:40.33 | [MoonWolf] | easy peasy |
| 21:40.36 | Kremonte | um |
| 21:40.37 | Kremonte | moonwolf |
| 21:40.39 | Kremonte | i am a lock |
| 21:40.44 | Shouryuu | just cleanse? |
| 21:40.46 | Kremonte | pallies are often very hard fights |
| 21:40.50 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:40.54 | Kremonte | i'm not sm/ruin nub |
| 21:40.57 | [MoonWolf] | felhunter spell interupt |
| 21:40.57 | Shouryuu | the only way I beat pallies is just mana burn |
| 21:40.59 | AnduinLothar | hard fights solo..... |
| 21:41.05 | Kremonte | [MoonWolf] |
| 21:41.08 | Kremonte | felhunter = perfect situation |
| 21:41.11 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:41.11 | [MoonWolf] | unless they have a shield they aint healing. |
| 21:41.16 | Kremonte | my ass |
| 21:41.17 | [MoonWolf] | i only use felhunter. |
| 21:41.19 | Kremonte | repent |
| 21:41.21 | Kremonte | heal |
| 21:41.23 | Kremonte | HoJ |
| 21:41.24 | Kremonte | heal |
| 21:41.26 | Kremonte | repent |
| 21:41.27 | Kremonte | heal |
| 21:41.39 | [MoonWolf] | well, sometimes imp in instances. |
| 21:41.43 | AnduinLothar | i dont have repent any more :'( |
| 21:41.53 | [MoonWolf] | they dont all have repent Kremonte |
| 21:41.59 | Shouryuu | I dispell, mana burn, mana burn, fear, heal, mana burn... |
| 21:41.59 | Kremonte | most that pvp do |
| 21:42.20 | Shouryuu | I use my trinket against their stun |
| 21:42.24 | AnduinLothar | but i can store up retaliation bombs for 10k :) |
| 21:42.25 | Shouryuu | holy hammer or whatever it is |
| 21:42.32 | Shouryuu | retaliation? |
| 21:42.33 | [MoonWolf] | ouch |
| 21:42.37 | Shouryuu | isn't that warrior skill? |
| 21:42.42 | [MoonWolf] | hammer of wrath ? |
| 21:42.45 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 21:42.52 | Shouryuu | most people don't know it |
| 21:42.57 | [MoonWolf] | retaliation is the warrior skill |
| 21:42.59 | Shouryuu | 's dispelable with your trinket |
| 21:43.01 | AnduinLothar | sorry, not retaliation... |
| 21:43.07 | [MoonWolf] | it hits you every time you hit them |
| 21:43.10 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:43.17 | Shouryuu | you meant consecration? |
| 21:43.19 | AnduinLothar | what's the name.. |
| 21:43.22 | AnduinLothar | no lol |
| 21:43.30 | [MoonWolf] | FireFart! |
| 21:43.32 | Shouryuu | yeah, sacred me there :p |
| 21:43.33 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:43.41 | Shouryuu | consecration = the suxorz |
| 21:43.59 | Kremonte | YES! |
| 21:44.01 | Kremonte | stitches down |
| 21:44.03 | Kremonte | used 2 mana pots |
| 21:44.12 | [MoonWolf] | how much xp ? |
| 21:44.18 | Kremonte | 793 |
| 21:44.19 | AnduinLothar | Rechonning bombs |
| 21:44.29 | [MoonWolf] | wow, rested ? |
| 21:44.30 | Kremonte | 793 reg XP, sans the rested |
| 21:44.33 | AnduinLothar | reckoning* |
| 21:44.34 | Kremonte | i'm 6 levels lower |
| 21:44.35 | Kremonte | and he's elite |
| 21:44.36 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 21:44.36 | Kremonte | ;D |
| 21:44.40 | Shouryuu | reckoning? |
| 21:44.43 | Shouryuu | what's that |
| 21:44.46 | Kremonte | reckoning hawhahwhawhaw |
| 21:44.52 | Kremonte | i havent seen a good reck bomb in a long time |
| 21:45.01 | AnduinLothar | that's cause they nurfed um |
| 21:45.08 | Kremonte | yea =( |
| 21:45.09 | AnduinLothar | you can only store up to 5 now |
| 21:45.14 | AnduinLothar | but still |
| 21:45.15 | Kremonte | 5 is still good though |
| 21:45.18 | Kremonte | if you get fair crits |
| 21:45.18 | [MoonWolf] | used to be how much ? |
| 21:45.24 | AnduinLothar | infinite |
| 21:45.36 | AnduinLothar | you could 1-shot kazak |
| 21:45.39 | Kremonte | in arena once, a few mins before chest |
| 21:45.49 | Kremonte | we were doing 2v2's |
| 21:45.57 | Kremonte | rogue + warrior v pally + warlock |
| 21:46.05 | Kremonte | pally 1 shotted both ^____________________^ |
| 21:46.07 | AnduinLothar | ouch |
| 21:46.10 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 21:46.21 | [MoonWolf] | that would have been a suprise for them |
| 21:46.32 | AnduinLothar | ya, my dps pally is fun |
| 21:46.35 | Kremonte | ya they were newbies, didnt know about reck |
| 21:46.47 | AnduinLothar | good for 1v1 or 2v2, but in BG it's useless |
| 21:47.07 | AnduinLothar | better than it used to be, but still doesn't do enough damage |
| 21:47.15 | AnduinLothar | reliable damage anyway |
| 21:47.28 | Shouryuu | what is reckooninnggg? |
| 21:47.33 | AnduinLothar | all dependant on procs and crits which require constant attacks |
| 21:47.56 | Kremonte | i don't follow pallies much though |
| 21:48.01 | [MoonWolf] | isnt that the whole point of reckoning. |
| 21:48.09 | AnduinLothar | reckoning cuts your attack delay to zero whenever you're critted on |
| 21:48.09 | Kremonte | i don't understand these people that have a level 60 of 5 classes |
| 21:48.54 | AnduinLothar | so if you get critted 5x while you're back is turned you can turn around and do 5 instant hits on them with all their chance/hit and procs |
| 21:49.04 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 21:49.23 | [MoonWolf] | when its goes the way you want it too, its windfury on crack |
| 21:49.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:49.31 | Kremonte | please never mention windfury |
| 21:49.31 | Kremonte | ever |
| 21:49.48 | Shouryuu | lol why? |
| 21:49.54 | Kremonte | the second i hit 60 |
| 21:50.01 | Kremonte | earth shock crits you for 1200 |
| 21:50.09 | Kremonte | x crits you for 1000 |
| 21:50.13 | Kremonte | x gains windfury |
| 21:50.15 | Kremonte | x crits you for 1000 |
| 21:50.18 | Kremonte | x crits you for 1000 |
| 21:50.18 | Kremonte | you die |
| 21:50.31 | AnduinLothar | if i do a 1-hit triple crit with command and decapitate I can do 3-4k damage... multiply that times 5 and you have my best possible freak damage |
| 21:50.41 | [MoonWolf] | actually because of the AP gain the last two should be higher. |
| 21:50.54 | Kremonte | yes moonwolf, they all did exactly 1000 damage |
| 21:51.03 | Kremonte | wait, no they didn't |
| 21:51.09 | Kremonte | <orly owl> |
| 21:51.17 | [MoonWolf] | :O |
| 21:51.59 | Kremonte | ugh i need something to do until 6 30 |
| 21:52.07 | [MoonWolf] | porn |
| 21:52.16 | Kremonte | no |
| 21:52.49 | Shouryuu | everyone loves holy nova now |
| 21:53.02 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, its really good where it is now |
| 21:53.07 | Kremonte | i miss ffxi |
| 21:53.10 | [MoonWolf] | although mana efficieny could be better. |
| 21:53.11 | Kremonte | my holy dmg was awesome |
| 21:53.16 | [MoonWolf] | Kremonte, i don't |
| 21:53.17 | Shouryuu | it doesn't have a CD, but you'll rarely find yourself using more that once a min |
| 21:53.20 | [MoonWolf] | i hope it dies soon. |
| 21:53.22 | Kremonte | eh |
| 21:53.26 | Kremonte | no reason to hope it dead |
| 21:53.31 | Kremonte | i'm still reminiscent |
| 21:53.57 | Kremonte | i staged a mass suicide in jeuno |
| 21:54.02 | Kremonte | it was awesome |
| 21:54.05 | [MoonWolf] | the game had so little point, and if you did not have exactly THAT gear you could forget about parties. |
| 21:54.15 | Kremonte | 20 dead people lined up in a row |
| 21:54.19 | Kremonte | all lvl 1 bsts |
| 21:54.20 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 21:54.37 | Kremonte | eh |
| 21:54.40 | Kremonte | WoW has a point? =p |
| 21:54.55 | Kremonte | that's the whole point of MMOs, they don't have a point |
| 21:55.05 | Tain | That's a sad point of view. |
| 21:55.12 | Kremonte | eh? |
| 21:55.15 | Kremonte | you can't beat a MMO |
| 21:55.17 | [MoonWolf] | when you first enter wow, what is the first thing you see, a guy with a big yellow explamatio point on his head begging to be talked too |
| 21:55.20 | Kremonte | so the purpose is to play and have fun |
| 21:55.24 | [MoonWolf] | then he tells you to go kill stuff |
| 21:55.34 | Tain | So then there is a point. |
| 21:55.38 | [MoonWolf] | and in FF, you get the intro and then one guy to guide you around. |
| 21:55.39 | [MoonWolf] | and nothing |
| 21:55.43 | Kremonte | it's uh |
| 21:55.47 | Kremonte | pretty self explanitory |
| 21:55.47 | [MoonWolf] | then you have to figure it out all by yourself. |
| 21:55.53 | Kremonte | "HERE'S THE PATH OUT OF WINDURST" |
| 21:56.03 | Kremonte | "HERE'S THE INCONSPICUOUS NPC THAT STARTS MISSIONS" |
| 21:56.19 | [MoonWolf] | here is your 2 hour cooldown skill |
| 21:56.28 | Kremonte | ahhh those were the days |
| 21:56.30 | [MoonWolf] | you wont be getting anything else the following 3 hours |
| 21:56.33 | Kremonte | high lag day |
| 21:56.36 | Kremonte | claimed nidhogg with flash |
| 21:56.45 | Kremonte | had 6 people left at 10% |
| 21:56.53 | Kremonte | 2 galka nin/mnk's mijin and kill him |
| 21:57.20 | Kremonte | the days of "gaijin desu wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" |
| 21:58.03 | [MoonWolf] | they day's of [hot][meat][stick] |
| 21:58.27 | Kremonte | the days of soloing robber crabs in cape T as WHM and lvlling staff skill solo... |
| 21:58.31 | Tain | Uh.. what websites are you visiting exactly, Moon? |
| 21:58.40 | Shouryuu | Pirate song... Isn't that a rather stupid song with people singing "i'm a mighyt pirate" or something of the sort? |
| 21:58.44 | Kremonte | i still have an SS of me in a JP PT |
| 21:58.51 | Kremonte | "gaijin desu w" "watashi wa nihongo ga hanase masu ka, assholes" /warp |
| 21:58.54 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, howsow ? |
| 21:59.20 | Tain | Just wondering where you're getting your hot meat sticks from. |
| 21:59.47 | [MoonWolf] | the unoficcial FF mini game |
| 22:00.00 | [MoonWolf] | making weird combinations with the translation words |
| 22:00.02 | Kremonte | ya moon |
| 22:00.07 | [MoonWolf] | usually sexual. |
| 22:00.09 | Kremonte | me and a guildy were looking at ffxi's memory |
| 22:00.24 | Kremonte | started the wave of ( and ) editing |
| 22:00.43 | Kremonte | <Linkshell> <Cremonte> YES! (Scorpion Harness +3) |
| 22:01.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Crispix (n=Crispy@c-24-7-241-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 22:01.49 | [MoonWolf] | Kremonte, that would have been nice |
| 22:02.06 | Kremonte | ? :Q |
| 22:02.29 | Crispix | *wave* |
| 22:02.40 | [MoonWolf] | Crispix, *rape* |
| 22:02.46 | Kremonte | (w) |
| 22:02.50 | [MoonWolf] | god im in a sick state of mind today |
| 22:02.56 | Crispix | ... Moony... |
| 22:03.05 | Kremonte | oh god i still hate these people that pretended to be jp and spammed ('A') |
| 22:03.07 | Crispix | .How can you rape the willing (That is if your female.. and I hope you are..) |
| 22:03.36 | [MoonWolf] | <-- male |
| 22:04.10 | Crispix | :-.O.o(fail)X-S |
| 22:04.44 | [MoonWolf] | ^ |
| 22:04.48 | [MoonWolf] | ^^* |
| 22:05.27 | Shouryuu | I hate my friends |
| 22:05.31 | Shouryuu | last saturday |
| 22:05.36 | Shouryuu | while I was sleeping |
| 22:05.43 | Crispix | SHIBBEEEEH |
| 22:05.51 | Shouryuu | they took my computer, and subscribed me to 25000 porn sites =( |
| 22:05.54 | Shouryuu | spam FTL |
| 22:05.57 | Crispix | http://nesbuckle.com/buy_snes.php <-- just ordered one ^_^ |
| 22:05.59 | Shouryuu | unshibeh |
| 22:06.24 | Shouryuu | that |
| 22:06.25 | Shouryuu | is |
| 22:06.27 | Shouryuu | depressing |
| 22:06.38 | Crispix | I lurved my snes.. I still play it |
| 22:06.47 | Crispix | plus.. I work in a video game store.. |
| 22:06.48 | Crispix | so.. :) |
| 22:06.56 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:07.09 | [MoonWolf] | I wish i worked in a story like that |
| 22:07.14 | [MoonWolf] | store* |
| 22:07.21 | Crispix | It's fun as hell |
| 22:07.34 | [MoonWolf] | alas, I am but a greenhouse worker, picking flowers on saturday |
| 22:07.37 | Tain | SNES was fun, first time I ever imported non-US games to play. |
| 22:08.13 | Shouryuu | haha I wanna http://www.nerdyshirts.com/product_info.php?cPath=&products_id=31&osCsid=448efb6adffe70ef6f8c1c981ebe9537 |
| 22:08.21 | Tain | Had dozens and dozens (I'd like to say a couple hundred, but my memory could be exaggerating) of games on floppy to load up on the SNES. |
| 22:08.34 | Shouryuu | I played SNES as well |
| 22:08.42 | Shouryuu | endless hours of ISS |
| 22:08.55 | Shouryuu | International Super Star Soccer! |
| 22:09.57 | Shouryuu | oldest console would be my mega drive |
| 22:10.11 | Shouryuu | if you don't count a 20 yeah oldish mac |
| 22:10.12 | AnduinLothar | SMRPG ftw |
| 22:10.17 | Shouryuu | oh yeah |
| 22:10.20 | Tain | Oh my Atari 2600 is still boxed up downstairs. |
| 22:10.31 | Shouryuu | Mario Kart |
| 22:10.34 | Shouryuu | my god that was guuud |
| 22:10.43 | Shouryuu | I'm too young for Atari 2600 |
| 22:11.35 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@24.129.136.26) |
| 22:11.46 | [MoonWolf] | I find your implications of sanity to be rude and disagreeable. So now I'm going to kill you with a trout.. |
| 22:11.52 | [MoonWolf] | i have an atari 2600 |
| 22:11.54 | [MoonWolf] | great fun |
| 22:12.07 | [MoonWolf] | killed the first 2 joysticks though |
| 22:12.34 | Shouryuu | kill me with a trout? |
| 22:12.53 | Tain | Multi Game Hunter! Gah I couldn't remember what it was called. |
| 22:13.30 | [MoonWolf] | purl slap Shouryuu |
| 22:13.31 | purl | ACTION slaps Shouryuu, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:13.42 | [MoonWolf] | purl troutslap Shouryuu |
| 22:13.43 | purl | ACTION slaps Shouryuu around with a large trout |
| 22:14.00 | [MoonWolf] | i do that untill you die |
| 22:14.03 | Shouryuu | Run away, run away! |
| 22:15.07 | Cairenn|sleep | anyone need me for anything? no? good. *swallows a couple more fiorinal and crawls back to bed again* |
| 22:15.20 | [MoonWolf] | - Charlie walks into his bedroom with a sheep under his arm and says: "Darling, this is the pig I have sex with when you have a headache." His girlfriend is lying in bed and replies: "I think you'll find that's a sheep, you idiot." The man says: "I think you'll find I wasn't talking to you." |
| 22:17.39 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:18.34 | [MoonWolf] | I don't know what is wrong with me today |
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| 22:21.45 | Shouryuu | oh noz |
| 22:21.47 | Shouryuu | not him |
| 22:21.55 | Shouryuu | Run away, run away! |
| 22:22.50 | Shouryuu | Well I'm going to bed |
| 22:23.02 | Shouryuu | 'night |
| 22:24.53 | Crispix | Anyone here use Discord Unit Frames? |
| 22:25.24 | clad|sleep | Any reason to not use HitsMode, or is there a suitable replacement? |
| 22:25.38 | [MoonWolf] | nurfedcombatlog |
| 22:25.51 | [MoonWolf] | same but more custumizability |
| 22:26.01 | Cairenn|sleep | and dependencies? |
| 22:26.13 | [MoonWolf] | checks |
| 22:26.35 | [MoonWolf] | none |
| 22:26.42 | cladhaire | <3 cair |
| 22:26.47 | cladhaire | I'll take a look moon |
| 22:26.56 | [MoonWolf] | k |
| 22:28.12 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 22:28.25 | cladhaire | the in-game combat log menus blow =( |
| 22:28.30 | Crispix | hrm.... This discord unit frame thing doesn't have a pet happiness indicator...... :/ |
| 22:28.33 | Cairenn|sleep | yes yes it does |
| 22:28.39 | cladhaire | they should have just put the event names in there =) |
| 22:28.42 | Cairenn|sleep | (to clad's comment) |
| 22:28.58 | [MoonWolf] | i usually only output my hits and spell hits and nothing else |
| 22:29.11 | [MoonWolf] | but its a lot better then hitsmode but looks the same. |
| 22:29.15 | cladhaire | Crispix: She is the MASTER of sleep typing |
| 22:29.40 | Cairenn|sleep | because until they do, I don't want to move |
| 22:29.49 | Cairenn|sleep | movement hurts |
| 22:30.21 | Crispix | are there any commands to see pet happiness? |
| 22:30.39 | [MoonWolf] | none that i know |
| 22:31.02 | Cairenn|sleep | probably already covered in either the documents, the write up, or on his forums |
| 22:31.10 | Cairenn|sleep | lern2reed |
| 22:31.13 | Cairenn|sleep | :p |
| 22:33.34 | Iriel | Crispix : Define "Pet Happiness" |
| 22:33.47 | Iriel | If you mean the state (sad, content, happy) then there's an API call for it |
| 22:33.47 | cladhaire | [MoonWolf]: How does this work by default.. does it.. at all? |
| 22:33.51 | Iriel | If you mean the numeric value, no. |
| 22:34.12 | [MoonWolf] | cladhaire, im not quite sure, this is the only lack i ever found |
| 22:34.26 | cladhaire | Cause its doing nothing whatsoever =) |
| 22:34.31 | [MoonWolf] | i think it outputs to chatframe 2 |
| 22:34.35 | [MoonWolf] | but to be sure |
| 22:35.00 | [MoonWolf] | activate that thing in the interface menu that makes your chat layout be two frames |
| 22:35.12 | [MoonWolf] | that will activate it to output to the combat frame. |
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| 22:55.11 | [MoonWolf] | wohoo mendeleev has gone over 2000 downloads total |
| 22:59.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 22:59.41 | Guillotine | haha. http://www.bash.org/?619483 |
| 23:00.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=chatzill@host-70-45-84-10.onelinkpr.net) |
| 23:00.57 | Kremonte | not that funny imo |
| 23:02.34 | MentalPower | Is there any truth to making a local copy of a function to make its use faster? ie if I am going to use string.find 50times better make local find = string.find and use find instead? |
| 23:02.46 | Kremonte | won't be faster |
| 23:02.51 | Kremonte | still calling the same function |
| 23:03.04 | MentalPower | even without the table lookup? |
| 23:03.12 | Kremonte | don't believe it would |
| 23:03.18 | Kremonte | otherwise tables would be nonsense:) |
| 23:03.23 | MentalPower | k |
| 23:03.42 | Iriel | it is faster |
| 23:03.45 | Iriel | silly people |
| 23:03.52 | Kremonte | making a local copy? |
| 23:03.57 | Kremonte | why would it be faster ._. |
| 23:03.59 | Iriel | a local REFERENCE yes |
| 23:04.05 | Iriel | you dont have to continually dereference |
| 23:04.58 | Kremonte | reference? |
| 23:05.01 | Kremonte | :Q |
| 23:05.05 | Kremonte | oh, nevermind |
| 23:05.31 | Iriel | i.e local strfind = string.find; |
| 23:06.14 | Iriel | Otherwise, string.find has to (a) lookup 'string' in the global environment, then (b) lookup 'find' in the 'string' table |
| 23:06.19 | Iriel | for every call |
| 23:06.24 | Kremonte | ah yes yes |
| 23:06.32 | Kremonte | how else could you do it tho |
| 23:06.34 | Kremonte | ._. |
| 23:06.34 | Iriel | if you use strfind, you do that lookup once, then everything from then is a direct reference |
| 23:06.44 | Iriel | well, you could do string.fiund every time, which was the question |
| 23:06.57 | Iriel | the function itself isn't faster, but calling it is |
| 23:07.08 | Iriel | (well, pedantically, FINDING it is, calling it is just the same) |
| 23:09.31 | MentalPower | thanks a ton Iriel :) |
| 23:10.38 | Iriel | As always, if your function is rarely called, it wont help you at all |
| 23:10.42 | Iriel | (measurably) |
| 23:10.57 | Iriel | But if it's something like an event or update handler, it's a good idea |
| 23:12.34 | MentalPower | its part of my OnUpdate chain |
| 23:16.43 | Iriel | I work on the theory that every little helps there |
| 23:17.26 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.26 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.26 | Iriel | You could, but then the GC threshold would drop back to 1.25 times the amount of in-use memory AFTER the GC run. To force a higher GC cap you have to allocate and KEEP ALLOCATED memory which you will not be using (Though depending on how you write your code, you COULD be using it for something). |
| 23:17.29 | Iriel | Again though, excessive GC turnover is usually a sign of problematic code somewhere, and fixing THAT will be a far more reasonable (and durable) fix. <Addon Authors: Dont use RegisterForSave()!> |
| 23:17.32 | Iriel | Oops. |
| 23:17.38 | Iriel | Cut and paste error there, sorry |
| 23:49.21 | cladhaire | *gasp* |
| 23:49.42 | cladhaire | people have teh broken the uber cross-faction cipher |
| 23:50.06 | AnduinLothar | it's nto a cipher O.o |
| 23:51.07 | cladhaire | i know |
| 23:51.11 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:51.14 | cladhaire | they're bragging in general chat |
| 23:51.24 | Cairenn|sleep | its' still against tou |