| 00:00.26 | Iriel | That QuickMod thing is dumb, but that's just my personal opinion |
| 00:01.35 | Iriel | Well, 'dumb' may be too strong applied to the idea (but the implementation is lacking at present), but it still doesn't seem like something that'd be all that useful |
| 00:02.26 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:02.47 | Iriel | off to a meeting |
| 00:03.46 | AnduinLothar | ? quick masterlooting? |
| 00:04.59 | AnduinLothar | my server uses masterlooting as standard for pugs. 1 blue a piece and people who didn't get blues roll on the greens at the end |
| 00:06.08 | AnduinLothar | but then my rm's guild uses groop loot in 40 man raids and have everyone pass... so diff groups have diff rules |
| 00:08.15 | zeeg | IMO masterloot by a trustable (guild leader) person is best |
| 00:09.00 | Codayus | except when it bugs, hich it used to do a fair amount. better these days |
| 00:09.55 | Tain | It's a pain in the ass as well being the master looter. |
| 00:09.58 | Tain | That's a full-time job. |
| 00:12.35 | Codayus | FFA isn't bad. If you can't trust the people your raiding with... |
| 00:12.59 | AnduinLothar | says they people who have good guilds |
| 00:13.05 | Codayus | And I've seen the ML mess up (honestly, I believe) three seperate times so far. |
| 00:13.37 | Codayus | Ummm...4, actually. 3 times over epics. |
| 00:14.21 | Tain | I was always in a good guild, and you can never trust everyone. |
| 00:14.39 | Tain | They're just usually more subtle. |
| 00:16.26 | cladhaire | any classes other than rogues that can debuff themselvs (besides paladins who have a longer cooldown)? |
| 00:16.27 | Codayus | My current guild uses ML in MC and for ZG bosses, and group loot on trash mobs. |
| 00:16.40 | Codayus | Except we constantly forget to change it to ML for bosses. :-) |
| 00:16.47 | Codayus | priests! |
| 00:17.05 | Codayus | pw:shield grants a weakened soul effect. uh...whats the rogue debuff? |
| 00:17.20 | Codayus | s/grants/inflicts/ |
| 00:17.57 | Codayus | oh, DE buff. |
| 00:17.58 | zeeg | wewt! |
| 00:18.00 | zeeg | i think i got it |
| 00:18.27 | Codayus | Reading comprehension ftl. To be fair,the diffierence between removing a debuff and inflicitng a debuff is hard to convey... :-( |
| 00:18.57 | AnduinLothar | decurse/cure |
| 00:19.25 | Codayus | Still don't quite understand the question though. Vanish does remove some debuffs, but so does abolish disease... |
| 00:24.16 | Tain | Stop smart, shop S-MART. |
| 00:41.46 | cladhaire | is anyone doing nothign and willing to idle in a raid with me (or disconnect) on Draka? |
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| 00:43.48 | Tain | Sure clad |
| 00:44.13 | cladhaire | sweet! |
| 00:44.20 | cladhaire | would you idle.. or DC? |
| 00:44.26 | cladhaire | cause if you'll DC i'd rather you log onto stormrage =) |
| 00:44.31 | cladhaire | so i can PW:S myself |
| 00:44.45 | Tain | hah I'm a better idler. |
| 00:44.51 | cladhaire | k k |
| 00:45.02 | cladhaire | horde or alliance |
| 00:45.04 | cladhaire | ? |
| 00:45.15 | Tain | mmm Horde, I might as well do some AH scanning. |
| 00:45.23 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:45.24 | cladhaire | k |
| 00:45.52 | cladhaire | name is Cladhaire |
| 01:01.28 | zeeg | ugh this is dumb |
| 01:07.25 | cladhaire | anyone know offhand the PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD for reloads? |
| 01:07.33 | Iriel | What do you mean? |
| 01:07.38 | Iriel | Do you mean, does it fire? Yes. |
| 01:07.49 | Iriel | Reloads and zone changes |
| 01:07.56 | Iriel | if they're into or out of instances |
| 01:08.02 | Iriel | or across continents |
| 01:08.12 | Tain | There's another one isn't there? Or.. oh now I'm confusing myself. |
| 01:09.12 | cladhaire | Hrm. |
| 01:09.21 | cladhaire | It doesn't seem to be firing consistently on reloads for me |
| 01:09.25 | cladhaire | but I may have something else going on. |
| 01:11.07 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com/clonebase.php |
| 01:11.09 | zeeg | getting close! |
| 01:11.10 | cladhaire | thanks =) |
| 01:13.55 | Iriel | I'm going to go with 'something else going on' |
| 01:14.59 | Iriel | zeeg: I think you're looking at wide characters |
| 01:15.15 | Iriel | zeeg: It's not character NUL character NUL, it's wcharacter wcharacter |
| 01:15.27 | Iriel | the double 00 is a wide NUL |
| 01:16.10 | Iriel | I'd show all of the numbers in hex unless you KNOW they're decimal, rather than the other way around too, it makes reverse engineering much simpler |
| 01:16.13 | zeeg | could that affect the rest of the info? |
| 01:16.35 | zeeg | if you're interested in helping, the .wad file is clonebase.wad (same directory path) |
| 01:17.12 | zeeg | (its 30 mb) |
| 01:19.52 | zeeg | anyways, i just cleared that extra null bit |
| 01:19.58 | zeeg | but im having issues getting this structure working right |
| 01:21.17 | Cairenn | PA: still nothing on test realm character copy |
| 01:21.53 | Iriel | zeeg: It's unlikely to affect much beyond strings, but it'd help you look at them properly |
| 01:22.02 | Legorol | Cairenn: I think I heard a little birdie whisper somewhere that PTR is not coming |
| 01:22.07 | Legorol | i mean not today |
| 01:24.20 | zeeg | my main problem right now Iriel, is that its got huge blocks of CDCD and FFFF, but in between one, there's a 0000 block, which is only 2 bytes vs the 4 bytes fields are, so i ended up with an odd block so the 4 byte reading breaks |
| 01:24.43 | zeeg | do test realms ever come up on tuesdays? |
| 01:25.00 | zeeg | if you scroll to field 186, it messes up that string |
| 01:25.16 | zeeg | err 187 |
| 01:27.33 | Iriel | They've come up very late in the evening sometimes |
| 01:27.48 | Legorol | what are you guys discussing? what's this clonebase.wad? |
| 01:30.57 | Iriel | I guess I dont really understand the format of your page |
| 01:32.59 | zeeg | basically, most fields are long ints |
| 01:33.01 | zeeg | 4 bytes |
| 01:33.09 | zeeg | but there's like 2 exceptions i can see right off the bat |
| 01:33.15 | zeeg | mixed in with CDCD columns, they have an 0000 |
| 01:34.32 | Iriel | well, the character strings aren't 4 bytes, they're all 2 byte characters |
| 01:35.27 | zeeg | ya + that null |
| 01:35.36 | Iriel | NUL, not null. |
| 01:35.56 | zeeg | the 00 :P |
| 01:35.58 | Iriel | Are you sure you have your byte ordering correct? (I'm not doubting you, I can just never remember) |
| 01:36.01 | Iriel | That's NUL |
| 01:36.07 | Iriel | null is a pointer with no value |
| 01:36.10 | zeeg | ya |
| 01:36.11 | Iriel | NUL is character 0 |
| 01:38.47 | zeeg | k |
| 01:39.00 | zeeg | im just trying to figure out how to parse this thing >< |
| 01:39.10 | Legorol | zeeg, what's the problem? |
| 01:39.13 | zeeg | wow was my first attempt at doing any of this so im not all that experienced |
| 01:39.20 | Legorol | from what i can see all entries in the table are 4 bytes, represented in hex |
| 01:39.23 | Legorol | is that so hard t parse? |
| 01:39.29 | Iriel | Well, ignore the table |
| 01:39.33 | zeeg | well theres some that dont seem to be 4 bytes |
| 01:39.34 | Iriel | the table is zeeg's presentation of the data |
| 01:39.37 | zeeg | ya |
| 01:39.38 | Iriel | so it may be misleading you |
| 01:39.43 | Legorol | what's the issue then |
| 01:39.48 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com/clonebase.wad - the actual file |
| 01:40.05 | Legorol | i'm not downloading the binary of some random game |
| 01:40.35 | Legorol | so what is your problem then? |
| 01:40.44 | zeeg | this is just a small file among the game |
| 01:40.45 | zeeg | but anyways |
| 01:40.51 | zeeg | the problem is some fields dont seem to be 2 bytes |
| 01:41.02 | zeeg | and i cant be sure on anything as i dont have an actual schema for the file |
| 01:41.09 | Legorol | if you just have a single file with no information about its structure, |
| 01:41.16 | Legorol | how do you know what's a field and what isn't? |
| 01:41.23 | Iriel | Well, you can be pretty sure the fields aren't even byte aligned |
| 01:41.25 | Legorol | how do you know the size of a field, or that they are even constant size? |
| 01:41.27 | Iriel | because the file's length is odd. |
| 01:41.47 | Iriel | and part way through you'll notice the characters aren't aligned on the even bytes, but on the odd |
| 01:42.03 | Iriel | What I'd be looking for would be some indication of block length or block offset |
| 01:42.50 | zeeg | hrm |
| 01:43.07 | zeeg | well im pretty sure that's not there |
| 01:43.21 | Iriel | it may be implicit rather than explicit |
| 01:43.22 | zeeg | as i went through the entire first entry, started the second, and there's no initial size |
| 01:43.26 | zeeg | what do you mean |
| 01:43.50 | Iriel | And unless you understand the purpose of EVERY BYTE you looked at, it could be there anyway |
| 01:44.05 | Iriel | Well, there could be a block termination sequence of some form |
| 01:44.08 | zeeg | well im not seeing anything that could fit as that |
| 01:44.09 | zeeg | hrm |
| 01:44.12 | zeeg | ill check for that |
| 01:44.22 | Iriel | What is the 0x47f1 for? |
| 01:44.30 | zeeg | did you read my notes at the bottom? |
| 01:44.34 | zeeg | idk, whats 0x47f1? |
| 01:44.36 | zeeg | 0047f1? |
| 01:45.01 | Iriel | it's the 5th and 6th bytes |
| 01:45.29 | zeeg | oh |
| 01:45.41 | zeeg | i assumed that may have been # of entries or something similar, it doesnt repeat |
| 01:46.02 | zeeg | at the beginning of the first block, after those 2 |
| 01:46.03 | zeeg | 4 bytes: 1, 16 |
| 01:46.03 | zeeg | 4 bytes: 256, 576, 384 |
| 01:46.03 | zeeg | 4 bytes: 1, 16 |
| 01:46.04 | zeeg | is that |
| 01:46.27 | zeeg | and at the end of the first block, before those 3 repeat, are 6 nul characters |
| 01:47.03 | Iriel | I disagree with your parsing of byte ordering |
| 01:47.20 | Iriel | I'm just not sure how much 8-) |
| 01:47.29 | Iriel | mostly because I dont see any 16s |
| 01:47.37 | Iriel | 0000000 0016 0000 47f1 0000 0001 0000 0200 0000 |
| 01:47.37 | Iriel | 0000020 0001 0000 0000 0000 0041 0072 0074 0069 |
| 01:47.48 | Iriel | so there's 22 (0x0016) |
| 01:48.25 | Iriel | then your magical 17417 |
| 01:48.31 | Iriel | I mean 18417 |
| 01:48.43 | Legorol | i think trying to understand structure of a file without knowing its purpose, contents or any info about it is pretty futile |
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| 01:49.02 | Iriel | Well, zeeg knows its purpose |
| 01:49.11 | Iriel | I can see enough structure to be able to offer some advice |
| 01:50.25 | Iriel | but then it's 1, 512, 1, 0 |
| 01:50.38 | Iriel | before your first string |
| 01:51.32 | zeeg | 16's were in the second block |
| 01:52.22 | zeeg | the "purpose" i honestly have no idea, all i know is there lots of item/object names embedded in the file |
| 01:52.38 | zeeg | and I also know that WAD files were used in Doom, Quake, etc. as a type of ZIP file without compression |
| 01:52.44 | zeeg | (i couldnt find a lump extractor though) |
| 01:52.47 | zeeg | ahh! |
| 01:52.51 | zeeg | maybe thats what those first two mean Iriel |
| 01:53.00 | zeeg | first 4 bytes = # of lumps |
| 01:53.08 | zeeg | 4-8 = size of this lumjp |
| 01:53.12 | zeeg | that very well could be |
| 01:53.31 | Iriel | that's a possibility, does it 'work' if you process it that way? |
| 01:53.45 | MentalPower | I'm kinda surprised that a widely used game format doesn't have extractors |
| 01:53.50 | zeeg | ok i could be wrong about that hrm |
| 01:53.55 | Iriel | This isn't a "wad" file in the doom sense |
| 01:53.56 | zeeg | i skipped to byte 17417 |
| 01:54.01 | zeeg | MentalPower, they do for doom :P |
| 01:54.10 | zeeg | and at 17417 it seems to be the same type of stuff |
| 01:54.22 | zeeg | err wait |
| 01:54.26 | Iriel | it's 18417 |
| 01:54.33 | Iriel | not 17417 |
| 01:54.48 | zeeg | one sec |
| 01:55.00 | Iriel | but I agree, you dont really see much useful data there |
| 01:55.04 | zeeg | goto doesnt seem to work as intended |
| 01:55.12 | zeeg | but anyways |
| 01:55.19 | Legorol | goto? |
| 01:55.20 | zeeg | we'll assume those first 2 #'s mean something of those sorts |
| 01:55.22 | zeeg | in hex workshop |
| 01:55.32 | Legorol | guys, can i just ask something.. |
| 01:55.40 | zeeg | ya? |
| 01:55.46 | Legorol | why is there a long drawn out discussion of decrypting a different game's client file going on in here? |
| 01:55.51 | Legorol | don't you think it belongs in a different channel? |
| 01:55.58 | Legorol | i know this channel allows off-topic stuff, but |
| 01:56.05 | Legorol | this is quite different from discussing pancakes.. |
| 01:56.09 | zeeg | Iriel, #aa? :) |
| 01:56.12 | zeeg | MentalPower, you too! |
| 01:56.50 | Iriel | Well, nobody else was talking |
| 01:56.53 | Iriel | so I dont know |
| 01:57.02 | MentalPower | I guess you mean #aa |
| 01:57.14 | zeeg | ya #aa |
| 01:57.14 | zeeg | :P |
| 01:57.24 | zeeg | i will love youtwo forever if you help me figure this out :) |
| 01:57.50 | Iriel | Being in 2 channels is very awkward in bitchx, unless there's a magic 'flip between channels' key I dont know about |
| 01:57.56 | zeeg | oh |
| 01:57.57 | zeeg | hrm |
| 01:58.06 | zeeg | i think you can /join the chan to make it active |
| 01:58.11 | zeeg | but otherwise idk |
| 01:58.21 | Legorol | Iriel, could you confirm this please: there is no in-game API that allows differentiation of Enable/Disable addons on a per-account or per-character basis? |
| 01:58.42 | Cairenn | as you said, Iriel, no one else is talking about anything, may as well continue |
| 01:58.51 | Iriel | Legorol : Outside of glue, that is entirely correct. |
| 01:58.56 | Legorol | and an EnableAddOn/DisableAddOn call in-game will only affect the per-character one? |
| 01:59.23 | Tain | Easiest with bx is create a new window per channel. |
| 01:59.41 | Legorol | ok thanks Iriel, carry on |
| 01:59.45 | Legorol | sorry for the interruption |
| 01:59.54 | Tain | It's /window new I think, I've used keybinds forever. |
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| 02:01.02 | Tain | And then /window next to travel between. |
| 02:01.12 | Iriel | Legorol : That is how it seems to behave |
| 02:02.21 | Legorol | aha, i got the final proof that Windows >> Linux |
| 02:02.28 | Legorol | i can have more than one chat window on Windoze.. |
| 02:02.38 | Legorol | Iriel can only have one on Linix... :p |
| 02:02.47 | Iriel | zeeg: So, anyway, my advice would be to use the wide characters as a way of finding word alignment transitions, and thus "odd sized" blocks |
| 02:03.01 | zeeg | i dont get what wide characters are :) |
| 02:03.04 | Iriel | Legorol : I'm running bitchx on a machine that's sitting in my office at home, from one of many windows on my laptop on my desk at work |
| 02:03.08 | zeeg | err well i mean, i get that its char + nul |
| 02:03.20 | Iriel | Lego : So, while I COULD run a graphical irc client, i've chosen not to |
| 02:03.38 | Legorol | Iriel, joke.. |
| 02:03.41 | Iriel | zeeg: It's a unicode character, 16 bits for the whole character |
| 02:03.52 | Iriel | zeeg: so it's NOT char + NUL, it's all one char |
| 02:03.57 | Iriel | A is 0x0041 |
| 02:04.32 | Iriel | LATIN SMALL LETTER W WITH CIRCUMFLEX is 0x0175 |
| 02:04.34 | zeeg | so i just transform the 2 bytes into unicode? |
| 02:04.49 | Iriel | THAI CHARACTER RO RUA is 0x0E23 |
| 02:04.49 | zeeg | err the 2 bytes are unicode |
| 02:04.50 | Iriel | etc |
| 02:04.52 | zeeg | and i transform them out |
| 02:05.15 | Iriel | Well, you dont really 'transform' them anything, unless you're outputting in a different encoding like UTF-8 |
| 02:05.25 | zeeg | ya id output to utf-8 |
| 02:05.25 | Iriel | But in that file, they're being output as plain wide characters |
| 02:05.46 | Iriel | Then yes, you'd transform them to UTF-8 as you output them |
| 02:06.37 | Iriel | Anyway, since most of them are plain latin characters, you can use them to spot wide-character alignment, if you see 00 41 00 42 versus 41 00 42 00 |
| 02:06.51 | Iriel | you know you've got an odd versus even block offset |
| 02:07.01 | Tain | Hey now! I run bx on a remote system through a screen session that I can connect to from anywhere and am connected to 5 different irc networks, and 8 or 9 channels. :P |
| 02:08.07 | Iriel | Tain: I'm sure I could, but I dont know HOW. This is the only thing i've bothered to touch IRC for. |
| 02:08.46 | Legorol | Iriel, if the strings are UTF-16 encoded (as you suggest), wouldn't there be a BOM somewhere? |
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| 02:08.55 | Iriel | They're not UTF-16 |
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| 02:08.55 | Legorol | maybe that could be used? |
| 02:09.00 | Iriel | they're just 16 bit wide charcters |
| 02:09.04 | Iriel | That's my guess, anyway |
| 02:09.13 | Legorol | well it's hard to distinguish the two.. |
| 02:09.18 | Legorol | if there are no surrogate pairs present |
| 02:11.18 | Iriel | Though I could be wrong |
| 02:11.30 | Iriel | But binary formats tend to just dump their data to disk |
| 02:11.35 | Iriel | so it reads and writes fast |
| 02:12.06 | Legorol | i think you are right |
| 02:12.09 | Iriel | Thus it's quite possible this file uses fixed=length fields within variable sized blocks, or somesuch |
| 02:12.14 | Legorol | zeeg noted that strings seem to end with 2 bytes of 0 |
| 02:12.28 | Legorol | which is consistend with a C-style convention, if 16-bits are used per char |
| 02:13.31 | Iriel | My guess is it's C++ with wchar's |
| 02:13.41 | Iriel | but only because C++ is more common than plain old C |
| 02:14.03 | Legorol | right |
| 02:14.44 | zeeg | you think the file is c++? |
| 02:14.55 | Iriel | No, I think the program that reads/writes it is |
| 02:15.02 | zeeg | oh |
| 02:15.20 | Legorol | what's the ascii of that Í? |
| 02:15.21 | Iriel | I also think the cdcd is just padding |
| 02:15.23 | Legorol | i bet it's cd |
| 02:15.29 | zeeg | so every field should be 4 bytews, right? |
| 02:15.31 | zeeg | ya CD |
| 02:15.36 | zeeg | *bytes |
| 02:15.40 | zeeg | padding for what |
| 02:15.41 | Legorol | so your table doesn't make sense.. |
| 02:15.44 | Iriel | well, every field should be a fixed size |
| 02:15.45 | Legorol | you have variable-width blocks |
| 02:15.51 | Iriel | But not necessarily a multiple of 4 |
| 02:16.07 | Iriel | though a multiple of 2 almost for sure, since the code would allocate wchar[32] or somesuch |
| 02:16.21 | Iriel | thus your cdcd cdcd 0000 cdcd cdcd |
| 02:16.30 | Iriel | is a zero length field following the padding of the preceding field |
| 02:16.52 | Iriel | But there's got to be another block type, or some variable width block payload in there |
| 02:16.59 | Iriel | because the alignment shifts in the file |
| 02:17.13 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:17.30 | zeeg | well remember, these are "lumps" (individual files thrown together to form the .wad) |
| 02:17.38 | zeeg | so there are probably other types |
| 02:17.59 | Iriel | It's quite possible the file layout is [Index][Content] too |
| 02:18.02 | Iriel | I dont know |
| 02:18.14 | Iriel | It doesn't LOOK that way |
| 02:18.21 | zeeg | ugh, anyone know how to install pear? :) |
| 02:19.09 | Iriel | apt-get install php-pear ? |
| 02:19.23 | zeeg | redhat linux |
| 02:19.36 | Iriel | I used to know that |
| 02:19.40 | Iriel | but it's been so long |
| 02:19.53 | zeeg | ok well back to this |
| 02:19.53 | zeeg | ]hrm |
| 02:19.57 | Iriel | If you have the rpm it'd be rpm -iv <whatever>.rpm? |
| 02:19.59 | Iriel | I think |
| 02:20.13 | zeeg | so you think that ill need to specify the field types, whether they're 2 bits, 4 bits, string, etc. |
| 02:20.31 | Iriel | I think you'll figure out what they are eventually, and for a given field it'll be important |
| 02:20.49 | Iriel | but dont assume the file has the same type all the way through, and consider it more as a stream |
| 02:21.01 | zeeg | ill just fall back to 8bit fields and specify it for a few and see if it works :) |
| 02:21.31 | Iriel | Generally you want to use identifiable larger structures to your advanage |
| 02:22.04 | Legorol | could the even-odd changeover be because of a single byte signalling some end of block? |
| 02:22.04 | Iriel | so the string observation is helpful, chances are that <wchar> <wchar> <wchar NUL> <0xcdcd> * N is a single string |
| 02:22.14 | Legorol | apart from that, i'd go with 2-byte units |
| 02:22.16 | Iriel | I'm suspecting it's odd sized 'content' attached to something |
| 02:22.48 | Iriel | I think most of the file is byte aligned within the stream, so even after the even/odd transition, most things line up on 'odd' rather than 'even', until the next transition (if there is one) |
| 02:23.18 | Iriel | but I haven't really looked at the bulk of the file, just the beginning, end, and looking for certain patterns in the middle |
| 02:28.15 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:28.16 | zeeg | Iriel |
| 02:28.17 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com/clonebase.php |
| 02:28.21 | zeeg | scroll to #29 |
| 02:28.23 | zeeg | field 2 |
| 02:28.30 | zeeg | the "padding" is inconsistent |
| 02:28.39 | zeeg | oh wait! |
| 02:28.53 | zeeg | i think i got it Iriel! |
| 02:29.15 | zeeg | wewt! |
| 02:29.16 | zeeg | got it |
| 02:29.20 | zeeg | strings are a fixed width |
| 02:29.21 | Iriel | Your table format assumes constant sized blocks |
| 02:29.27 | zeeg | the cdcd is string padding |
| 02:29.36 | Iriel | That's what I said earlier |
| 02:29.38 | zeeg | oh |
| 02:29.40 | zeeg | i just saw padding |
| 02:29.58 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:29.59 | zeeg | 14+25 |
| 02:30.03 | zeeg | 39? thats a strange # |
| 02:30.03 | Iriel | this bit: so the string observation is helpful, chances are that <wchar> <wchar> <wchar NUL> <0xcdcd> * N is a single string |
| 02:30.13 | zeeg | oh im not sure what you mean by that |
| 02:30.14 | zeeg | oh |
| 02:30.21 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:30.27 | Iriel | it'd actyally be: |
| 02:30.39 | zeeg | should all strings be similar size |
| 02:30.40 | Legorol | zeeg, whenever a run of cdcd finishes, you have something new |
| 02:30.41 | Iriel | <wchar*> <wchar NUL> <0xcdcd>* |
| 02:30.56 | zeeg | maybe i should just strip all cdcd's ? |
| 02:30.58 | Legorol | e.g. row 2, column 26 |
| 02:31.01 | Iriel | I would expect strings that serve the same purpose to be similarly sized |
| 02:31.07 | Iriel | but beyond that, not necessarily |
| 02:31.10 | zeeg | nah ill just do fixed width on strings |
| 02:31.11 | Legorol | cdcd finishes, and you have the string "no name!" coming up |
| 02:31.25 | Legorol | noone said strings are fixed width |
| 02:31.28 | Legorol | chances are they aren't |
| 02:31.43 | zeeg | they are |
| 02:31.47 | zeeg | thats what the cdcd padding is for |
| 02:31.48 | Iriel | My guess is each string IS fixed width, but they're not all the SAME width |
| 02:31.52 | zeeg | ya |
| 02:32.27 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:32.51 | zeeg | alright so, my "blocks" were cdcd cdcd, so 4 bytes |
| 02:33.11 | Legorol | ? |
| 02:33.15 | Legorol | go for 2 byte units |
| 02:33.17 | Legorol | not 4 |
| 02:34.14 | Iriel | You're printing your 4 byte hex values confusingly too |
| 02:34.22 | Iriel | Either go with the 4 bytes as |
| 02:34.25 | Iriel | 01 00 00 00 |
| 02:34.40 | Iriel | Or the proper-endianned full version 00000001 |
| 02:35.08 | zeeg | oh, ignore the printing, i just through that in thre cuz you mentioned it |
| 02:35.55 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:38.00 | Legorol | Iriel, if they are wchars, he is better of using endianness of 2-byte sequences |
| 02:38.06 | zeeg | ok this first string is 128 bytes |
| 02:38.44 | Iriel | that depends on whether we think the other values are 2 byte or 4.. 4 bytes is normal for integers |
| 02:39.55 | zeeg | ont worry |
| 02:40.00 | zeeg | knowing this padding stuff will probably fix everything |
| 02:44.24 | zeeg | ok so there's 5 strings in a row |
| 02:52.36 | zeeg | YAY |
| 02:52.37 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com/clonebase.php |
| 02:58.35 | zeeg | ok so Iriel |
| 02:58.36 | zeeg | that 18000 # |
| 02:58.39 | zeeg | isnt # of bytes in a lump |
| 02:58.58 | zeeg | so im thinking maybe # of entries, which would be strange, but there's really no reason they couldnt remake the wad format however they wanted |
| 03:02.53 | zeeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.54 | zeeg | so mean :( |
| 03:03.01 | Iriel | Each 'block' seems to start with 4 strings: 64, 64, 256, 64 |
| 03:03.09 | Iriel | (those are the lengths) |
| 03:03.25 | zeeg | but doesnt the first block start with 1 512 1 |
| 03:03.32 | zeeg | err |
| 03:03.33 | zeeg | 1256 1 |
| 03:03.45 | Iriel | Okay, I shouldn't use the word 'start' there |
| 03:03.52 | zeeg | 1 256 1 nul |
| 03:04.02 | Iriel | I should say, each unit has a common block of 4 strings, lengths 64, 64, 256, 64 |
| 03:04.22 | MentalPower | zeeg: that link is NOT browser friendly at all (226 sec loadtime), but then again its not meant to be |
| 03:04.29 | zeeg | which translates to 128 128 612 128 |
| 03:04.37 | zeeg | MentalPower, ya i made it load more items after i pasted the link |
| 03:04.40 | zeeg | cuz i wanna make sure its still working |
| 03:04.40 | zeeg | *512 |
| 03:04.46 | zeeg | i had already gotten that Iriel ;) |
| 03:05.19 | zeeg | im just gonna export this to csv i think |
| 03:05.30 | zeeg | this is like loading 10 itemcache.wdb's at the same time |
| 03:05.38 | zeeg | 10-20 depending on size :P |
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| 03:11.21 | zeeg | well it works fine parsing for at least the first 1500 entries |
| 03:13.17 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
| 03:13.25 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 03:13.31 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 03:13.43 | MentalPower | thanks Cair :) |
| 03:14.18 | zeeg | mmorpgauctions.net invites me to join their website to expand our market, i feel honored |
| 03:15.15 | Iriel | Enjoy identifing the other bytes of those 1500 entries zeeg |
| 03:15.27 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 03:15.43 | zeeg | Iriel, of course :) |
| 03:16.58 | Tain | I need to just stick to a single town, I can never remember where things are in different places. |
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| 03:21.44 | Legorol | Tain: learn2readmap? :-) |
| 03:21.55 | Legorol | seriously, i still use the map for SW |
| 03:22.00 | Legorol | and especially for TB |
| 03:22.18 | Tain | Uh.. what map exactly? |
| 03:22.45 | Legorol | did you mean RL? |
| 03:22.49 | Legorol | i thought you meant WoW, lol |
| 03:22.57 | Tain | It's also the nonsense of stuff like, "Ok where can I find salt." |
| 03:22.58 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 03:22.59 | Tain | Yeah in woW. |
| 03:23.07 | Tain | Seriously, the minimap doesn't show anything in a town. |
| 03:23.14 | Legorol | oh that's true |
| 03:23.19 | Legorol | but the thing is, towns have a logic |
| 03:23.26 | Legorol | i don't remember places, but there is a logic to what's where |
| 03:23.37 | Tain | Then wanderin around to find the mailbox |
| 03:24.17 | Cairenn | you know what I hate? going to a new grocery store ... they're *never* laid out the same .... then trying to find the salt ... or the ... |
| 03:24.24 | Tain | I generally can memorize one town fine. |
| 03:24.40 | Tain | I know where to find everything in Ogrimmar finally, for example. |
| 03:24.42 | Legorol | Cairenn, even worse when your regular shop does a shelf-reorganization |
| 03:24.48 | Legorol | for weeks i kept going to the wrong place |
| 03:24.49 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:25.12 | Corrodias | or when your store is a walmart. at all. |
| 03:25.24 | Corrodias | their bread is like 7 aisles from the bakery, here |
| 03:25.26 | Tain | There's only two things grocery stores keep the same, fruits and vegitables by the front door, breads in the last aisle. At least every one I go to. |
| 03:25.30 | Corrodias | and the lemon juice was with the juice drinks |
| 03:25.32 | Legorol | i was in this big Tesco's supermarket once |
| 03:25.43 | Legorol | i was around the cleaning products, bathroom stuff etc. |
| 03:25.50 | Legorol | i was looking for toothpaste, couldn't find any |
| 03:25.51 | Tain | The super Walmarts and whatnot where you have a full grocery store and a full Walmart all in one.. those scare me. |
| 03:26.01 | Cairenn | Tain: most of the ones around here, the bakery/bread is right behind the fruit/veggies |
| 03:26.03 | Legorol | i asked where they were, turns out 3 minutes walk, at the other corner of this massive hall |
| 03:26.34 | Corrodias | our walmart puts toothpaste in the "hygiene and drugs" section |
| 03:26.50 | Cairenn | Corrodias: that's where ours is too |
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| 03:44.20 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com/items.php |
| 03:44.21 | zeeg | :D |
| 03:44.22 | zeeg | i win |
| 03:47.47 | Tain | Cairenn I saw a record number of people in the horde guild on Draka today for the last few months. ;) |
| 03:47.54 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 03:48.00 | Cairenn | 2? |
| 03:48.02 | Tain | Yeah 3 different people today! |
| 03:48.04 | Tain | Not at the same time. |
| 03:48.06 | Tain | But still! |
| 03:48.17 | ForgottenLords | lol |
| 03:48.20 | ForgottenLords | alt guild? |
| 03:49.06 | Cairenn | ForgottenLords: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651 |
| 03:49.09 | Tain | Although it was actually used for what was planned in the first place. Testing addons that someone needed others on to help test with. :) |
| 03:50.23 | cladhaire | Yay for Tain testing with me =) |
| 03:51.00 | Cairenn | rarr |
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| 04:05.49 | Legorol | Cairenn, did you read cyberswat's post? |
| 04:05.53 | Legorol | oops, mt |
| 04:06.02 | Cairenn | yes, I read cybertwat's post |
| 04:06.06 | Legorol | lol |
| 04:06.14 | Legorol | hilarious, posting like that over a year after the incident |
| 04:06.16 | Cairenn | zomg |
| 04:06.27 | Legorol | you can tell from my response i was really bored at the time i read it :D |
| 04:06.35 | Cairenn | rather |
| 04:07.23 | zeeg | link me :p |
| 04:08.22 | Cairenn | just an old old post in the Cosmos forums |
| 04:08.38 | Legorol | there |
| 04:09.01 | zeeg | i dont even read the forums anymore |
| 04:09.04 | zeeg | havent for months |
| 04:09.05 | zeeg | takes too much time |
| 04:09.06 | zeeg | :P |
| 04:10.41 | Cairenn | rofl, Legorol hunny, Imma kick you from channel if you don't go sleep soon, you're getting loopy |
| 04:11.46 | Cairenn | you're starting to sound like I did yesterday while I was stoned on fiorinal |
| 04:12.01 | cladhaire | and its done.. until I change it and actually release it! |
| 04:12.01 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4674 |
| 04:12.19 | Tain | No no Cairenn, compared to most in here you were eloquent. :) |
| 04:12.36 | Cairenn | heh, thanks, I think :p |
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| 05:06.33 | cladhaire | Night all |
| 05:07.14 | Cairenn | night cladhaire, sweet dreams :) |
| 05:16.06 | zeeg | Iriel ! |
| 05:16.30 | Iriel | hey zeeg, how goes the reverse engineering? |
| 05:17.16 | zeeg | wait, brb, i need your expertise though :) |
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| 05:23.03 | Kaelten | hello |
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| 05:24.10 | Cairenn | yo Kaelten :) |
| 05:24.17 | zeeg | ok so anyways Iriel |
| 05:24.26 | zeeg | after about entry #5700 |
| 05:24.35 | zeeg | there's an extra 8 bits |
| 05:24.39 | zeeg | err maybes its 8 bytes |
| 05:24.40 | zeeg | ya its 8 bytes |
| 05:24.47 | zeeg | but then they continue as normal.. |
| 05:25.00 | zeeg | so its like.. the end of the lump or something |
| 05:25.01 | zeeg | but i dont get it |
| 05:25.35 | Iriel | Well, do those 8 bytes look radically different than the first 8 bytes of each preceding lump/block? |
| 05:26.01 | zeeg | they're both #s |
| 05:26.03 | zeeg | but thats about it |
| 05:26.50 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 05:27.48 | Iriel | Well, the question i'd imagine you need to ask yourself is (1) is this a 'short block' thaty identifies itself as such? (2) extra data on the end of the previous lump (in which case find out how that record marks itself as being 'long'), or is it just the end of the first run (in which case, find what's earlier in the file to tell youit's coming). |
| 05:28.24 | zeeg | are there 16 bit ints? |
| 05:28.28 | zeeg | err byte |
| 05:28.35 | zeeg | err bit! |
| 05:28.36 | zeeg | hah |
| 05:29.06 | Iriel | yes, there are integers as big or small as you want them (C's "short" is 16 bits, on most PC systems) |
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| 05:31.08 | zeeg | k so maybe the first 8 bytes are one int >< |
| 05:31.37 | Iriel | He's ALIVE! |
| 05:31.53 | Iriel | Hey Slouken! Worn out your bug swatter yet? |
| 05:31.57 | slouken | Hey evverry-body! |
| 05:32.10 | Kremonte | hey slooooouken |
| 05:32.12 | slouken | My swattin' arm's mighty tired, I tell ya. |
| 05:32.35 | Kaelten | hey slouken |
| 05:32.51 | slouken | Hey Iriel, Kremonte, Kaelten. :) |
| 05:33.05 | slouken | How's everybody doing? |
| 05:33.21 | Kaelten | going well |
| 05:33.32 | Kaelten | something I was going to ask you though |
| 05:33.39 | Iriel | Hellishly busy at work, but otherwise good! |
| 05:34.00 | Kaelten | hmm, oh ya, why does GetItemInfo return three location constants that getglobal to nothing? |
| 05:34.15 | slouken | Anybody here build SDL? (if you don't know what I'm talking about, nevermind) |
| 05:34.23 | slouken | Kaelten - it's a plot! |
| 05:34.27 | Kaelten | must be |
| 05:34.39 | Kaelten | just discovered it last night |
| 05:34.42 | Iriel | I know what you're talking about, but I've never tried building it. |
| 05:34.43 | Iriel | Should I? |
| 05:34.54 | zeeg | 22, and 18417, vs |
| 05:35.12 | Kremonte | why ye ask slouken? |
| 05:35.13 | slouken | I'm just trying to get feedback on the new autoconf build system. |
| 05:35.21 | slouken | (in CVS) |
| 05:35.47 | Iriel | Is the friday build recent enough? |
| 05:35.47 | slouken | It seems pretty solid to me, but you know how it is in the real world. :) |
| 05:35.58 | slouken | sec. |
| 05:37.06 | slouken | Look again |
| 05:37.50 | Iriel | grabbing it now |
| 05:38.14 | slouken | Build it on everything you can get your hands on. :) |
| 05:38.22 | Kaelten | can you do { ["Bob Bob"] = "525" } |
| 05:38.37 | zeeg | 22, and 18417, vs 2883, and 8 |
| 05:38.46 | Iriel | Kaelten : yes |
| 05:38.56 | Kaelten | mind not working right. Spent the last twodays formating and reinstalling everything |
| 05:38.56 | zeeg | err wait |
| 05:39.32 | zeeg | 22 and 18417 vs 107 and 28 |
| 05:39.32 | zeeg | see |
| 05:39.33 | Iriel | zeeg: Beyond the things I suggested, I dont have any other inspired thoughts. |
| 05:39.34 | zeeg | nothing in common |
| 05:39.35 | zeeg | i dont get it |
| 05:39.41 | zeeg | slouken, know anything about WAD files? ;) |
| 05:39.50 | slouken | Yep |
| 05:39.58 | Cairenn | zeeg ... |
| 05:39.59 | zeeg | want to help me dissect auto assaults database? ;) |
| 05:40.04 | slouken | Nope. :) |
| 05:40.08 | zeeg | damn |
| 05:40.18 | Iriel | zeeg: It's not the ID WAD file, we already told you that! |
| 05:40.25 | slouken | lol |
| 05:40.50 | zeeg | Iriel, ya but they could have similarities |
| 05:40.59 | slouken | in a pig's eye! |
| 05:41.29 | zeeg | "wrapped application document" |
| 05:42.04 | slouken | Just ignore the "long long not supported by ISO C" |
| 05:42.27 | Iriel | I'm not forcing it to try right now, II just noticed they weren't on the gcc command line 8-) |
| 05:42.44 | Iriel | Unfortunately I dont have any esoteric systems to build it on. |
| 05:42.57 | Iriel | Builds cleanly and quickly here tho |
| 05:43.04 | slouken | What? No cross-compiled ARM system? |
| 05:43.25 | Iriel | No, I do have a bizarre One-wire CPU board, but it only runs java |
| 05:43.43 | slouken | Hmmm.... there are the JSDL bindings... ;-) |
| 05:43.49 | Iriel | Hm, Actually, I do have a zaurus in the cupboard, but It's been years since I had that working. |
| 05:43.56 | Iriel | Oh really, that might be fun to play with someday! |
| 05:44.30 | slouken | Hey zeeg, check to see if it builds on any windows dev environment you have |
| 05:44.38 | zeeg | what builds? |
| 05:44.39 | zeeg | O.o |
| 05:44.45 | slouken | Mmmm nothing. :) |
| 05:44.48 | Iriel | http://www.libsdl.org/cvs.php |
| 05:44.49 | Iriel | That |
| 05:44.57 | zeeg | what is it? |
| 05:45.04 | slouken | virii incubator |
| 05:45.12 | zeeg | ah cool deal |
| 05:45.22 | slouken | Kidding, nothing so cool. :) |
| 05:45.24 | zeeg | but i dont have any cvs thinger installed |
| 05:45.32 | Iriel | You dont need one, there's a zip |
| 05:45.50 | zeeg | ah, duh |
| 05:46.03 | zeeg | this wow related? |
| 05:46.07 | slouken | nope |
| 05:46.29 | slouken | I did a game for my languages class... "racing snails" |
| 05:46.42 | zeeg | you're all old! |
| 05:46.52 | zeeg | except for you Iriel, you're not old til I figure out these files ;) |
| 05:46.54 | slouken | It was awesome. It was a networked game, and a snail went from computer to computer, moving across the screen. |
| 05:47.00 | zeeg | lol |
| 05:47.04 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:47.07 | Iriel | I wrote one called xellent (Most of the original coding was done immediately after watching Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure) |
| 05:47.25 | slouken | There were 5 teams, and you had to hit the space bar to get the snail to go to the next computer - and it picked them randomly. |
| 05:47.28 | Iriel | a 2d tank game, with round tanks. |
| 05:47.41 | Iriel | (Since I cannot draw, and didn't want to do collision math for non-circles) |
| 05:47.43 | slouken | We had entire computer labs up and running around yelling and laughing. Best project ever. :) |
| 05:47.56 | slouken | Heheh, cool |
| 05:48.16 | Iriel | slouken : Could you bet on the snails? |
| 05:48.20 | Iriel | (In game, or out, I suppose) ? |
| 05:48.35 | slouken | Yeah, if you wanted to. (out of game) |
| 05:48.47 | slouken | Whichever team's snail got to 10 computers first, won. |
| 05:49.03 | Iriel | 10 different ones? |
| 05:49.08 | zeeg | note to self |
| 05:49.08 | zeeg | 6B0000001C000000 |
| 05:49.24 | Iriel | Early massively multiplayer snail gaming! |
| 05:49.39 | slouken | Yep, it was a language with built-in networked multi-processing |
| 05:49.45 | slouken | Sure |
| 05:50.12 | Iriel | Which language? One i'd have heard of? |
| 05:50.32 | slouken | I don't remember, it was written by the teacher of the class. /me thinks |
| 05:50.56 | zeeg | ew something without a .exe |
| 05:51.02 | zeeg | i cba to take the time to instlal cojmpilers |
| 05:52.00 | Iriel | I remember driving to radio shack one event to buy serial cables to play multiplayer doom, we've come quite a ways now! |
| 05:52.08 | Iriel | one evening, that is, not event 8-) |
| 05:52.19 | Iriel | Though that first multiplayer bootup was an event! |
| 05:52.43 | Tem | Anyone know off-hand the template that 99% of the UI buttons use? |
| 05:52.53 | Tem | Is it "OptionsButtonTemplate"? |
| 05:53.19 | Tem | oh, hi, slouken, didn't see you come in |
| 05:53.37 | zeeg | 11498 instances found |
| 05:53.47 | zeeg | im just gonna try to manually override this Iriel, i cant find a solution |
| 05:53.48 | Kaelten | hey tem |
| 05:54.01 | Tem | (please excuse my excessive use of commas. I never did learn when they were and were not needed) |
| 05:54.08 | Tem | oh, Kaelten too |
| 05:54.09 | Tem | heya |
| 05:54.20 | zeeg | use them when you pause :P |
| 05:54.23 | Iriel | Tem; it's not OptionsButtonTemplate, that's used 5 times |
| 05:54.37 | Tem | oh duh, I should just grep the thing |
| 05:55.11 | Iriel | Is it UIPanelButtonTemplate? |
| 05:55.12 | Tem | (a stretch, I know, but gimme the benefit of the doubt for now?) |
| 05:55.16 | Iriel | That one comes up a lot |
| 05:55.18 | Tem | possibly |
| 05:56.39 | Iriel | So slouken, i've been sizing up your competition (D&D Online), they've got a ways to go. |
| 05:56.52 | zeeg | ddo is horrible |
| 05:56.54 | zeeg | they'll never compete |
| 05:57.03 | zeeg | auto assault is decent, vanguard ive yet to try, everything else is horrible :P |
| 05:57.06 | Iriel | Well, it's _different_, im not sure it's directly competetive |
| 05:57.27 | Codayus | I'm a bit confused by auto assault. Haven't had a chance to play it yet. |
| 05:57.45 | Iriel | I'm TOTALLY spoiled by the WoW scalable UI |
| 05:57.46 | zeeg | its got a COH feel to it, thats for sure |
| 05:57.48 | zeeg | its not hard at all |
| 05:57.48 | Codayus | But I've seen some gameplay videos and read some previews, and I'm kinda at a loss to understand what the "game" is there. |
| 05:57.57 | zeeg | its just like any other MMO |
| 05:58.02 | zeeg | except its about your vehicle instead of your person |
| 05:59.25 | slouken | Iriel, found it: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/sr/ |
| 06:00.19 | Iriel | Ooh, Concurrent Programming, Principles and Practice, I think that was one of my textbooks |
| 06:00.48 | slouken | Ron Olson was my teacher. :) |
| 06:03.20 | zeeg | well Iriel |
| 06:03.24 | zeeg | it seems that at this entry the format changes |
| 06:03.26 | zeeg | to include those 2 fields |
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| 06:06.57 | Iriel | This SR stuff is quite refreshing after a week of fighting with J2EE |
| 06:08.32 | SP|Sorren | SR = statrings? |
| 06:08.42 | SP|Sorren | or am i way off 8) |
| 06:08.48 | Iriel | No, it's a language slouken was talking about earlier |
| 06:08.56 | Iriel | http://www.cs.arizona.edu/sr/ |
| 06:10.17 | slouken | Heheh |
| 06:11.00 | Iriel | This week's biggest joy was discovering IBM wont let you wait longer than 5 minutes for a remote RMI call (but doesn't have the same restriction on local calls) |
| 06:11.17 | Iriel | So once one of our apps ended up on 2 machines (as it will be in production) it stopped working |
| 06:11.26 | zeeg | ugh this is retarded |
| 06:12.19 | Shadowd | I take it theres no real way to make a DropDown menu without adding 20 lines of code 5 times to add 5 different dropdowns? |
| 06:12.55 | Iriel | Shadowd : I'm going to say "there almost certainly IS, you're probably doing it wrong" |
| 06:13.04 | Tem | Shadowd: the drop down stuff is my least favorite part of the wow ui |
| 06:13.06 | Iriel | but who knows. |
| 06:13.21 | Shadowd | I'd be amazed if i was doing something right for the UI stuff |
| 06:13.23 | Iriel | If blizzard haven't re-written it in 1.10, there's a high probability I will |
| 06:13.43 | Shadowd | yay |
| 06:13.47 | Iriel | I had a bit of a fight with it during the development of StatRings, and i'm reluctant to let it keep its victory |
| 06:14.08 | Iriel | I still think it's mostly good, it just doesn't handle re-entrancy (or complex interdependent dropdowns) well |
| 06:14.15 | Iriel | (or for that matter, at all, in some situations) |
| 06:14.47 | Iriel | I'm pretty sure a call-compliant alternative that didn't have the re-entrancy issues wouldn't be too hard |
| 06:14.58 | slouken | For for it Iriel. The only reason we haven't is because it would break almost every addon out there if we did. :) |
| 06:15.13 | slouken | er, "Go for it" |
| 06:15.21 | Iriel | I'll give it a try then |
| 06:15.25 | Iriel | Once we get 1.10, that is. |
| 06:15.32 | Iriel | And when I finish one bit of statrings |
| 06:15.37 | slouken | Heheh |
| 06:16.04 | Tem | good lord it's true! If you hear crap long enough you almost believe it |
| 06:16.23 | Shadowd | http://wow.pastebin.com/577976 pretty much what I did, but couldn't find any good docs on it so just attempted to work it out through CT Map mods :p |
| 06:16.40 | Iriel | At the very least I should write a howto |
| 06:16.49 | Iriel | If you understand how it's working, it's less bizarre |
| 06:17.56 | Legorol | is that so, now, is it.. |
| 06:18.01 | Iriel | Err, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't ever have to alter UIDROPDOWN_INIT_MENU |
| 06:18.14 | Legorol | Even Blizzard can't stop me from having fun making AddOns! muhaha |
| 06:18.31 | Tem | I've considered writing my own drop down library |
| 06:18.37 | Tem | just never did it |
| 06:18.40 | Iriel | we should both write them |
| 06:18.45 | Legorol | I mean, I pay my monthly subscription so that I can... ehm... have a test interface for my AddOns! woo |
| 06:18.47 | Iriel | Duelling dropdowns! |
| 06:18.49 | Shadowd | Thats how it was done on CT Map mods basically |
| 06:18.54 | Iriel | We can have a menu face-off. |
| 06:18.57 | zeeg | i pay my monthly subscription for no reason |
| 06:19.02 | zeeg | im banned from the forums, and i dont play the game |
| 06:19.03 | zeeg | lol |
| 06:19.15 | Shadowd | I pay two monthly subscriptions to yell at Horde during PVP! |
| 06:19.15 | Legorol | so what are you doing in here |
| 06:19.16 | Tem | Iriel: is this going in a "Deliverance" direction? |
| 06:19.25 | Legorol | (that was directed at zeeg) |
| 06:19.26 | zeeg | I run a site :) |
| 06:19.28 | Tem | Iriel: if so, I'd like to concede before it gets ugly |
| 06:19.33 | Legorol | so, what does that have to do with this place.. |
| 06:19.40 | zeeg | dk i got told to join here a long time ago |
| 06:19.41 | zeeg | so i did |
| 06:19.51 | Legorol | fair enoug |
| 06:22.19 | Tem | Iriel: to tie up a loose end from like 30 minutes ago, UIPanelButtonTemplate is what I needed, thanks |
| 06:22.25 | Iriel | Shadowd : In theory you can simply much of that. |
| 06:22.30 | Iriel | simplIFy |
| 06:24.15 | Shadowd | hmm |
| 06:32.25 | zeeg | alright Iriel, im thinking maybe something in that row tells it the # of fields or something |
| 06:32.35 | zeeg | because it turns out those extra 8 bytes, are at the end of the row, not the start |
| 06:33.32 | Tem | zeeg, out of curiousity, what are you trying to do? |
| 06:33.40 | zeeg | Tem, making an auto assault db |
| 06:33.43 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com |
| 06:34.06 | Tem | ' the crap is auto assault? |
| 06:34.30 | Shadowd | http://www.autoassault.com/index.html apparently |
| 06:35.05 | Iriel | Shadowd: For a start, much of PlayerNames_DeleteName is unnecessary |
| 06:35.09 | zeeg | its a new game, currently in beta |
| 06:35.51 | Tem | is there a console command to restart the sound system similar to gxrestart? |
| 06:35.55 | Iriel | Shadowd : Unless of course the player menu is CURRENTLY open, but in that case, you could just re-initialize the dropdown with the existing function |
| 06:35.57 | Shadowd | I'm not really sure what I was thinking when I did that. But it was probably something along the lines of "Screw it, can't find the remove function, 3 AM, get sleep." |
| 06:36.16 | Tem | I've got the repeating sound bug and I don't feel like restarting wow |
| 06:36.18 | Iriel | Well, if yours isn't the "currently open" menu, it gets re-initialized when it's done anyway |
| 06:37.07 | Shadowd | It's pretty much, you select a row to delete and then hit the "Delete" button, so the menu will not be currently open when it's deleting a row. |
| 06:42.53 | zeeg | s |
| 06:43.27 | krka | stupid time zones, i miss all the interesting stuff because i have to sleep |
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| 06:44.23 | Esamynn | Evening all. |
| 06:46.19 | zeeg | damn those canadians! |
| 06:46.28 | Esamynn | ~lart zeeg |
| 06:47.17 | zeeg | get back in your igloo |
| 06:47.21 | Esamynn | now that we have cleared that up, why were you insulting me? :P |
| 06:47.32 | zeeg | IGLOO |
| 06:47.58 | slouken | I think zeeg is a bot. :) |
| 06:48.14 | Esamynn | oh hey slouken, how goes it? |
| 06:48.21 | slouken | Good! How about you? |
| 06:48.21 | zeeg | ignorance O.o |
| 06:48.35 | slouken | Can you prove it? |
| 06:48.47 | slouken | Hmm |
| 06:48.56 | slouken | Okay, a bot wouldn't fondle me |
| 06:49.03 | krka | or would it?!? |
| 06:49.04 | slouken | But I'm not sure why you would either. :) |
| 06:49.10 | slouken | Ooo! |
| 06:49.13 | Esamynn | I'm good, just spent several hours grinding a Priest so that I could test the fixes to the bugs in the lastest version of one of my AddOns. Silly me forgot to complete all the testing I should have done. |
| 06:49.24 | krka | the lucy liu bot in futurama would! |
| 06:49.28 | Esamynn | ~lart zeeg |
| 06:49.34 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap zeeg |
| 06:49.35 | purl | ACTION slaps zeeg around with a piece of edam |
| 06:49.43 | zeeg | ~fondle zeeg |
| 06:49.54 | zeeg | what use is a bot that cant fondle you! |
| 06:50.22 | Esamynn | stop trying to corrupt the bot! |
| 06:50.43 | zeeg | its already corrupted |
| 06:50.43 | slouken | Good night everyone |
| 06:50.45 | zeeg | BY CANADIANS |
| 06:50.51 | Esamynn | night slouken |
| 06:50.54 | krka | night |
| 06:51.01 | Shadowd | night |
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| 06:51.08 | krka | time for me to get out of bed i think |
| 06:51.17 | krka | frick, i am almost late |
| 06:53.24 | zeeg | get your lazy ass up, eh? |
| 06:54.01 | Tem | alright, theres some funny stuff going on |
| 06:54.10 | Tem | Button heights |
| 06:54.19 | zeeg | O.o |
| 06:54.20 | Tem | Blizzard can't seem to decide |
| 06:54.25 | Tem | 21 or 22 px |
| 06:54.44 | Esamynn | care to elaborate |
| 06:54.57 | Tem | check out the buttons on the Friends Frame |
| 06:55.07 | Tem | some are 21px and some are 22 |
| 06:55.21 | Tem | I just can't figure out why they would vary at all |
| 06:56.35 | Iriel | It's not just to make them fit then? |
| 06:57.07 | Esamynn | lol Tem |
| 06:57.14 | Tem | Funny story.... When I got it, I yelled "What does that mean!?" |
| 06:57.28 | Esamynn | haha |
| 06:57.28 | Tem | Iriel: probably, but simple answers elude me |
| 06:57.49 | Esamynn | the default UI is full of inconsitencies like that |
| 06:57.59 | Tem | I better not look to closely |
| 06:58.22 | Esamynn | probably a good idea |
| 07:00.18 | Esamynn | ok, I need an opinion, if I have a group of frames that all need to do stuff on say the SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN event, is it more efficient to register the event in each frame or setup one frame to call the function for each frame whenever the event fires? |
| 07:00.33 | Iriel | Probably register each |
| 07:00.47 | Iriel | unless you can do some work once in a common handler, and not do it at all in the children |
| 07:01.33 | Esamynn | I can do that for the events like UNIT_MANA, but not so much for events that aren't unit specific |
| 07:02.04 | Esamynn | I was leaning towards the Event dispatcher being more efficient, but I wanted a 2nd opinion |
| 07:02.50 | Iriel | I'm pretty sure it's going to be as fast, or faster, than your own loop. |
| 07:03.09 | Esamynn | my gut agrees ;) |
| 07:03.23 | Iriel | (And if it's not, it should be, and we need to make slouken fix it 8-)) |
| 07:05.24 | zeeg | hrm |
| 07:05.27 | Esamynn | while on the topic, do you happen to know if the Lua engine is smart enough to inline functions that simply call another function (ie, XML frames whose event functions are specified in the XML) |
| 07:06.12 | Legorol | lua doesn't do any inlining |
| 07:06.36 | Legorol | and how would you specify event functions in XML? |
| 07:06.40 | Iriel | No, it wouldn't do inlining. |
| 07:06.43 | Legorol | i'm a bit confused about what you mean |
| 07:06.55 | Iriel | Though you acn just use SetScript to get around that |
| 07:07.00 | Legorol | you can't possibly have inlining, because functions have to be looked up in the global namespace at execution time |
| 07:07.09 | Iriel | i.e. instead of <OnEvent>Whatever_OnEvent</OnEvent> |
| 07:07.20 | Esamynn | thats what I was thinking myself Iriel |
| 07:07.21 | Iriel | do <OnLoad>this:SetScript("OnEvent",Whatever_OnEvent)</OnLoad> |
| 07:07.42 | Iriel | otherwise, internally, the XML parser is doing |
| 07:07.45 | Legorol | Esamynn, what do you mean by this phrase: "XML frames whose event functions are specified in the XML" |
| 07:08.04 | Iriel | this:SetScript("OnEvent",loadstring(OnEventChunk)); |
| 07:08.08 | Esamynn | i.e. instead of <OnEvent>Whatever_OnEvent()</OnEvent> is what I mean Legorol |
| 07:08.40 | Legorol | instead of <OnEvent>Whatever_OnEvent()</OnEvent>, you want what? |
| 07:08.51 | Legorol | sorry Iriel, i don't understand how SetScript's relevant here? |
| 07:09.03 | Legorol | ok i'll just shut up and let you two sort it out |
| 07:09.05 | Legorol | i clearly missed the point |
| 07:09.28 | Esamynn | SetScript would allow you avoid the wrapper function that would otherwise enclose the actual function you want to call |
| 07:09.43 | Legorol | wrapper function? |
| 07:09.46 | Iriel | What Esamynn just said |
| 07:09.57 | Iriel | WoW creates an anonymous function for every <OnXXX> block |
| 07:10.08 | Legorol | is that what you mean by wrapper function? |
| 07:10.20 | Esamynn | <OnEvent>Whatever_OnEvent()</OnEvent> is the equivalent of function() Whatever_OnEvent() end |
| 07:10.27 | Legorol | right |
| 07:11.03 | Esamynn | SetScript("EVENT", Whatever_OnEvent) would avoid the creation of the wrapper function |
| 07:11.04 | Legorol | ehm.. I still don't see how SetScript avoids this wrapping, all you did was essentially move the contents of Whatever_OnEvent into the anonymous function |
| 07:11.20 | Legorol | the wrapper function will *always* be created |
| 07:11.23 | Legorol | you can't avoid that |
| 07:11.42 | Legorol | wrapper function = anonymous function |
| 07:11.53 | Legorol | as long as you have a non-nil event handler, you always have that wrapper |
| 07:12.15 | Iriel | No, it's not created when you call SetScript |
| 07:12.17 | Esamynn | why would you, if you gave it a function to use in place of the anonymus one? |
| 07:12.36 | Legorol | oh, is that so |
| 07:12.44 | Legorol | ok so ehm.. |
| 07:13.02 | Iriel | Without SetScript you go EventDispatcher -> OnXXX Anonymous Function --> Your real event handler |
| 07:13.10 | Esamynn | it would be silly if SetScript created a wrapper for the function you just gave it, the wrapper is so that you can put Lua code directly in the XML |
| 07:13.12 | Iriel | With SetScript it's EventDispatcher --> Your real event handler |
| 07:13.28 | Legorol | hmmm |
| 07:13.41 | Legorol | ok i see |
| 07:14.02 | Legorol | right, i see, i misunderstood you |
| 07:14.10 | Esamynn | now we aren't talking about much of a performance boast, but I like to get every little bit I can ;) |
| 07:14.39 | Tem | hmm, is there no way to see how much gold is on a corpse without scanning a tooltip? |
| 07:14.44 | Legorol | ok what i was thinking is that calling SetScript with your function as argument is not different from moving your function's code into the OnXXX handler in the XML |
| 07:14.54 | Legorol | that's what i meant |
| 07:15.14 | Iriel | Well, that is true, except that putting your lua code in XML is kinda nasty, and you lose all the benefits of file-level upvalues |
| 07:15.15 | Tem | Yay! My scholarship posted |
| 07:15.19 | Tem | I'm not broke anymore! |
| 07:15.24 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.26 | Esamynn | Grats Tem :) |
| 07:15.26 | Legorol | Iriel, true |
| 07:16.09 | Tem | I really wish they would anticipate how much they are going to pay so I don't have to pay out of pocket at the start of the semester to be reembursed later |
| 07:16.13 | Esamynn | Tem: I can't think of any other way to get that info either |
| 07:16.48 | Tem | for a college student with a tight budget, a few grand in tuition and fees hurts |
| 07:17.19 | Tem | but, yay! I can go replace the mic I broke |
| 07:17.32 | Tem | I was seriously down to like 20 bucks |
| 07:17.45 | Esamynn | ouch |
| 07:17.53 | Tem | but it's all good now |
| 07:18.07 | Esamynn | me, I've been eyeing a G15 keyboard, but I don't want to pay for the LCD and the backlighting :( |
| 07:18.27 | Esamynn | I just want the extra keys |
| 07:18.37 | Tain | the backlight keys are great. |
| 07:18.47 | Tain | If you just want extra keys buy a Nostromo cheap. |
| 07:19.04 | Tain | And I love the LCD, but that's me. |
| 07:19.25 | Esamynn | I can't bring myself to spend that much money on a keyboard at the moment though |
| 07:19.55 | Tain | I love mine. |
| 07:20.29 | Esamynn | I'm sure I'd love it, but I like Tem, I'm a poor starving student ;) |
| 07:20.46 | Tain | Me too, well besides the student part. |
| 07:20.53 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:21.00 | Tain | I just spend the money I get on stuff like that. haha |
| 07:22.03 | Iriel | I get to spend my money on things like having the mold under my water heater tested |
| 07:22.18 | Iriel | it's a fun week |
| 07:22.35 | Esamynn | I went on a minor spending spree right after Christmas, I was tired of my junk CRT, so I bought an LCD, I'm soo glad I did |
| 07:22.37 | Iriel | oh, and vet bills (unrelated to the water heater mold) |
| 07:23.02 | Esamynn | one hopes |
| 07:23.48 | Esamynn | I have a Dog that eats everything, including Socks (hasn't gone to the vet for one of those yet thank goodness) |
| 07:24.38 | Tain | oh plus it depends how much "a lot" is. I see the G15 for $50-60. I see that a bargain. hehe |
| 07:24.47 | Esamynn | even stranger, he loves fruits and veggies, you start pealing anything citrius and you have to put a towl under him because of the drool |
| 07:25.20 | Iriel | That is rather strange, for a dog |
| 07:25.21 | zeeg | i have $25 |
| 07:25.22 | zeeg | lol |
| 07:25.22 | Esamynn | I thought the G15 was around $80 american, and $110, but I haven't actually checked the stores |
| 07:25.43 | zeeg | i managed to overdraft my account like $200 |
| 07:25.46 | zeeg | so my google check left me with 25 |
| 07:25.53 | zeeg | thankfully i get paid in like 3-4 days |
| 07:25.54 | Esamynn | Iriel: yes it is, but its in the genes, you just have to look at his mother ;) |
| 07:26.15 | Esamynn | $110 Canadian |
| 07:26.22 | Iriel | Citrus-eating fruithound? |
| 07:26.32 | zeeg | O.o |
| 07:26.39 | Esamynn | Pineapple, Oranges, he LOVES THEM |
| 07:27.07 | Iriel | Ok, i'm outta here for the night.. have fun all. |
| 07:27.12 | Esamynn | good night |
| 07:27.47 | Tain | haha watching, "An Evening with Kevin Smith." So damn funny. |
| 07:28.17 | Esamynn | I think I'm going to hit the sack too, night all |
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| 07:42.03 | Tain | haha I had no idea, Mirimax wanted to do Chasing Amy with Drew Barrymore, Jon Stewart, and David Schwimmer. |
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| 08:04.23 | Tem | What's the length limi on Chat messages? |
| 08:04.25 | Tem | it is 255? |
| 08:06.40 | Crispix | heheheheheheh |
| 08:06.51 | Crispix | I just made history |
| 08:06.52 | Crispix | ... |
| 08:07.05 | Crispix | first dwarf ever in glade |
| 08:07.25 | Tem | glade? |
| 08:07.28 | Tem | Moonglade? |
| 08:07.35 | Crispix | yeh |
| 08:07.36 | Crispix | :D |
| 08:07.57 | Tem | considering the lunar festival ported a whole mess of people there a few weeks back, I'd say you probably aren't thr first |
| 08:08.12 | Crispix | ok.. without the lunar festival madness... |
| 08:08.15 | Crispix | Lol |
| 08:10.03 | Tem | it's also a 'shortcut' to everlook for alliance |
| 08:10.21 | Tem | so even barring the lunar festival, I doubt it |
| 08:30.43 | Shadowd | Alright, heres something i'm having issues getting to work. Trying to position something right below the buffs/debuffs of your target. The best i can figure out is to either add a bunch of cases to get the position, or go by the height of the buff/debuffs ( since they resize when you have more then 6 ). Any ideas on a way to simplify it? |
| 08:31.06 | zeeg | mm i love tghese new lays |
| 08:31.09 | zeeg | the kettle cooked |
| 08:31.16 | zeeg | "Made with 100% Pure Fat" |
| 08:31.20 | zeeg | err wait it says SUnflower Oil |
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| 08:36.00 | L|Elviso | ok, so I'm having this annoying prob w/DFM....I moved my shapeshift bar, but everytime I zone it resets |
| 08:36.10 | L|Elviso | ....till I open DFM again, then it gets corrected |
| 08:38.38 | L|Elviso | anyone have a clue what's going on? |
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| 10:19.37 | Tem | grr |
| 10:19.42 | Tem | anyone here? |
| 10:54.09 | Shadowd | For a few more minutes |
| 10:58.02 | Tem | meh, I'm still sorta here |
| 10:58.46 | Tem | anyway, I'm out |
| 10:58.48 | Tem | night people |
| 12:15.24 | AnduinLothar | ok... need a gadget list for my b-day |
| 12:15.36 | AnduinLothar | anyone seen anything nifty recently? |
| 12:15.41 | AnduinLothar | i don't need a g15.. |
| 12:26.25 | clad|sleep | When's your birthday? |
| 12:28.00 | AnduinLothar | 11th |
| 12:28.41 | clad|sleep | well happy early birthday =) |
| 12:28.49 | AnduinLothar | heh, thx |
| 12:29.14 | clad|sleep | (just woke up to head to work, stopped in to see if anyone took a look at StickyFrames or PerfectRaid.. *cheer *=) |
| 12:33.46 | clad|sleep | alright, well off to work |
| 12:33.49 | clad|sleep | have a good day! |
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| 13:33.56 | JoshBorke | clad|work: i like the PerfectRaid idea |
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| 14:00.26 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 14:00.56 | Shouryuu | ooook my computer has declared war to me |
| 14:01.19 | Shouryuu | whenever I try to open a web page, it times out |
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| 14:04.31 | JoshBorke | i r escared |
| 14:05.14 | Verlaine | you'd better be |
| 15:09.36 | JoshBorke | is there any good way to check to see if the player is flying/has control? I can check for feared etc through HasFullControl() but will that work with flying/mounted? |
| 15:10.15 | krka|work | you can check if some spells are available |
| 15:10.30 | krka|work | change tracking should always be available afaik |
| 15:10.35 | krka|work | (or in cooldown) |
| 15:15.55 | kenman | can't change tracking while in flight |
| 15:17.39 | JoshBorke | you can change paladin aura though |
| 15:23.21 | krka|work | yeah, that was what i meant |
| 15:23.30 | krka|work | so you can use that check if you're flying or now |
| 15:23.31 | krka|work | not |
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| 15:51.40 | Verlaine | I've never understood why people posted on the WoW UI forums with alts? |
| 15:51.51 | Verlaine | are they ashamed or something... |
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| 16:21.36 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 16:21.53 | Astryl | Anyone got a link to Iriels DevTools? Don't recall the guild name... |
| 16:23.54 | Astryl | Ah, got it. |
| 16:26.40 | Shouryuu | It's the vigilante commitee I think |
| 16:26.49 | Astryl | That's right... |
| 16:27.18 | Astryl | I saw an addon a while ago that added the name of whatever event triggered it to the begining of each line in each chat window. |
| 16:27.32 | Astryl | Know what it was called? Having trouble finding it again. |
| 16:28.11 | Shouryuu | Nay I forgot |
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| 16:50.35 | Astryl | Hmm... |
| 16:51.01 | Astryl | Still can't find it. Anyone know the name of that addon that prepends the name of the triggering event to each line of combat chat? |
| 16:52.10 | Tain | The only one I've used that could be like that is FireShow. It echoes events as they're activated, filter what you want and all that. |
| 16:52.36 | Tain | It's an Ace addon. I'd have to find the link as the original author is left the game. |
| 16:55.25 | Astryl | Hmm, thanks. |
| 16:55.25 | Tain | I'm not entirely clear what you're describing though, what this one does is just show you which evenets are firing, what would the event be prepended to? |
| 16:55.44 | Astryl | The actual chat message. |
| 16:56.24 | Astryl | [COMBAT_SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE_CREATURE] Your Mortal Strike hits Fluffy Bunny for 7777 damage. |
| 16:56.55 | Astryl | Or whatever it is. |
| 16:57.07 | Tain | Oh ok, that makes sense. |
| 16:58.33 | Astryl | Or, maybe you know... Spell immunities. What event is that? |
| 16:59.02 | Astryl | "Fluffy Bunny is immune to your Face Melt." |
| 16:59.54 | Tain | I don't know myself. |
| 17:00.27 | Tain | ok there's no official host for it right now so I just put up the latest copy on my site to d/l if you want to at least take a look to see if it helps.http://crushingdreams.com/WOW/FireShowRNew.zip |
| 17:00.51 | Astryl | OKie, thanks. |
| 17:01.12 | Astryl | Got it. |
| 17:01.21 | Tain | It does require Ace, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4125 if you don't have it. |
| 17:05.41 | Astryl | aye, have it |
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| 17:07.25 | oxman_ | ;) |
| 17:08.47 | Astryl | hmm... Anyone know how to edit wow .dbc files? |
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| 17:17.32 | oxman | no |
| 17:21.39 | Shouryuu | The smartest thing I ever saw written on beer is: "beer, makes you see double, makes you feel single" |
| 17:22.04 | Shouryuu | and wow i'm downlaoding at 600kb/s |
| 17:22.27 | Tain | Beer, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems. |
| 17:22.41 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 18:14.16 | Tain | yay! New G15 thread! |
| 18:17.12 | MentalPower | oh, goddie... |
| 18:17.14 | [MoonWolf] | what is it about this time ? |
| 18:17.48 | Tain | I was waiting for this one actually, someone pestered a GM in game asking about the keyboard and posted screenshots of the GM saying, "You can't get banned for using a G15 keyboard." |
| 18:17.55 | Tain | Nothing about software, LCD, hardware macros, etc. |
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| 18:18.02 | oxman | you can't get banned when using g15 |
| 18:18.09 | oxman | but can be banned when you use applet of g15 |
| 18:18.18 | oxman | if a applet communicate with wow |
| 18:18.23 | oxman | you can be banned |
| 18:18.24 | Tain | There's plenty of other ways to get banned using a G15. |
| 18:18.29 | Tain | But having one plugged in and typing on it isn't one of them. |
| 18:18.32 | Corrodias | the G15 keyboard makes it impossible for them to ban you! |
| 18:18.43 | Tain | It's like an anti-ban shield! |
| 18:18.43 | oxman | ? |
| 18:18.48 | Tain | An anti-ban sheild? |
| 18:18.49 | Tain | No no no |
| 18:18.51 | Corrodias | it enters secret commands into the game to prevent a GM from hitting ban. |
| 18:18.51 | Tain | A ban shield. |
| 18:18.56 | oxman | what do you say ? |
| 18:19.09 | Tain | I use my G15 for great justice. |
| 18:19.39 | Corrodias | if i had one, i'd use it for ascii porn |
| 18:20.02 | Shouryuu | hahaha |
| 18:20.20 | Tain | That's a great idea, view ascii pornos on my lcd while I play. |
| 18:20.54 | oxman | i've two computer |
| 18:20.55 | oxman | it's better |
| 18:20.56 | oxman | :p |
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| 18:21.43 | Tain | I heard you can get banned for owning two computers. |
| 18:22.03 | Shouryuu | That sucks |
| 18:22.25 | Corrodias | i heard you can be banned for sucking your thumb |
| 18:22.43 | Corrodias | they're all like "pussy, ban haha" |
| 18:22.49 | Tain | What about sucking someone else's thumb? |
| 18:23.14 | Tain | http://www.thumbsuckingadults.com/ |
| 18:23.23 | Corrodias | i wonder if there's any rule against thumb prostitution. |
| 18:23.54 | Tain | I think that falls under hitchhiking. |
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| 18:34.13 | elema | the faction return of GetBattlefieldScore returns 0 for horde and ~= 0 for ally right ? |
| 18:34.31 | elema | wowwiki doesn't tell me this thing |
| 18:47.22 | Shouryuu | No idea |
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| 19:17.47 | elema | MyMod_TableName[varOne] = z; will create a table MyMod_TableName.varOne = z, is this right ? |
| 19:19.12 | elema | grml |
| 19:20.05 | elema | come on, this is important for me *hope* |
| 19:20.49 | Shadowd | It should |
| 19:21.11 | Shadowd | If it doesn't then some of my mod must be working by magic |
| 19:21.23 | elema | ;) |
| 19:23.21 | JoshBorke | is varOne a variable? |
| 19:24.26 | elema | I wanna create an array of all raid members |
| 19:24.46 | elema | for i=1, MAX_RAID_MEMBERS do |
| 19:25.07 | elema | MyModTableName[i] = { |
| 19:25.21 | elema | name = getunitname("raid"..i); |
| 19:25.24 | elema | }; |
| 19:25.26 | elema | and so on |
| 19:25.34 | JoshBorke | yea, that's fine |
| 19:25.43 | JoshBorke | but you can't do MyModTableName.i = |
| 19:25.56 | JoshBorke | because it MyModTableName.i = MyModTableName["i"] |
| 19:25.59 | JoshBorke | i think :-) |
| 19:27.12 | elema | ok |
| 19:27.34 | Astryl | Hmmm... |
| 19:27.57 | ckknight | what's an easy way to get the name of an item from its link? |
| 19:30.11 | JoshBorke | ckknight: local _,_, item, name = string.find(itemLink, "|c%x+|Hitem:(%d+):%d+:%d+:%d+|h%[(.-)%]|h|r") |
| 19:31.39 | ckknight | cool, thanks |
| 19:31.42 | JoshBorke | np |
| 19:32.36 | ckknight | I forget, what is - in Lua's regex mean? |
| 19:32.41 | ckknight | does* |
| 19:34.18 | krka | like +, but ungreedy i think |
| 19:35.00 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 19:35.12 | ckknight | hrm |
| 19:35.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:35.22 | JoshBorke | so it grabs as little as it needs to |
| 19:35.41 | ckknight | okay, now is there any way to tell how many of an item can be stacked together? |
| 19:38.18 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 19:38.20 | ckknight | oh, I got it |
| 19:38.24 | ckknight | yea, I just saw that |
| 19:39.09 | Shouryuu | an ungreedy +? |
| 19:39.24 | JoshBorke | a little late i think |
| 19:39.38 | Shouryuu | yeah I mean, what does that mean? |
| 19:39.41 | Kremonte | hey shoe dragon :D |
| 19:39.54 | JoshBorke | it means that it won't attempt to grab the ] at the end |
| 19:40.03 | Shouryuu | (((Oh noez not him again))) Hey krem! |
| 19:40.46 | Shouryuu | Josh - That makes no sens to me but I guess I'll just die ignorant, no biggie to me :P |
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| 19:41.27 | JoshBorke | so string.find("banananana","an(.-)an") should return "ananan" whereas string.find("bananananana","an(.+)an") should return "anananan" |
| 19:41.30 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Are you here? |
| 19:41.39 | ckknight | JoshBorke, actually it wouldn' grab it if there were only one item, but if you had two items, it'd mess up |
| 19:41.53 | Iriel | JoshBorke : Correct |
| 19:42.08 | Iriel | Actually, I think no, I think you get anan |
| 19:42.15 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 19:42.15 | Iriel | .- is like .* but non-greedy |
| 19:42.25 | JoshBorke | i was going to say, of course i had the actual results wrong, but the idea is there |
| 19:42.45 | Shouryuu | I'll just look at the lua manual, I didn't know you were talking of - in string.find :P |
| 19:42.54 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:43.02 | Iriel | Now, your matches would be '' and 'anan' |
| 19:43.17 | Iriel | given where you put your ()'s |
| 19:43.23 | Kremonte | what does greedy mean in this case? =X |
| 19:43.33 | JoshBorke | yea, i didn't need to put the () in at all really :-/ |
| 19:43.36 | Iriel | greedy means 'match as MUCH as possible, but still satisfy the expression' |
| 19:43.48 | Kremonte | oh! i think i get it |
| 19:43.49 | Iriel | non-greedy means 'match as LITTLE as possible, but still satisfy the expression' |
| 19:44.43 | Iriel | I like to use "Mary had a little lamb" and "^(.*) (.*)$" versus "^(.-) (.*)$" |
| 19:44.47 | Iriel | as an example |
| 19:44.53 | Kremonte | so string.find("%aaaa- %bbbb-", "\%(.+)-") matches aaaa- %bbbb, and string.find("%aaaa- %bbbb-", "\%(.-)-") matches just aaaa? |
| 19:44.56 | Iriel | the first gives you "Mary had a little", "lamb" |
| 19:44.57 | JoshBorke | btw, the lua wiki on this is awful |
| 19:45.04 | Iriel | and the second "Mary","had a little lamb" |
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| 19:45.12 | Iriel | JoshBorke : If it's in the lua manual, use that instead |
| 19:45.51 | JoshBorke | oh! can you break out of a for loop? |
| 19:45.57 | JoshBorke | er, not break, but 'next' |
| 19:46.22 | Iriel | there's no continue, no |
| 19:46.44 | Kremonte | huh? well you can do for i=1,100 if i ~= 50 then return "i = " .. i end end |
| 19:46.46 | Kremonte | which skips 50 ._. |
| 19:46.58 | Shouryuu | My god someone complaining because there are adds on curse |
| 19:47.17 | Kremonte | o noes, advertisements i can block effortlessly with adblock! NO WAI |
| 19:47.30 | JoshBorke | Kremonte: i'm looking for a way to skip the current iteration, which apparently can't be done |
| 19:47.54 | JoshBorke | Kremonte: rather than wrapping all the code in an if statement |
| 19:48.02 | Shadowd | The ad's wouldn't be that bad if some of them didn't have sound anyway |
| 19:48.27 | Shouryuu | I really don't mind |
| 19:48.36 | JoshBorke | i just don't have sound... |
| 19:48.42 | Shouryuu | it's free, I understand they have to pay for things |
| 19:49.08 | Kremonte | JoshBorke: huh? how else would you decide how to continue? |
| 19:49.24 | JoshBorke | Kremonte: currently I just error out :-P |
| 19:49.29 | Kremonte | lol |
| 19:50.06 | JoshBorke | Iriel: think it will ever be implemented? |
| 19:50.52 | Iriel | Doesn't look like it, since it's not in 5.1 either |
| 19:51.23 | Kremonte | i don't see a need for continues :Q |
| 19:51.41 | Iriel | you can simulate the effect by nesting a repeat until false in the for loop anyway |
| 19:51.49 | Iriel | but then you lose the ability to easily break |
| 19:51.54 | Iriel | but a simple local variable solves that |
| 19:52.13 | Iriel | Continues are useful for certain tasks, not for others |
| 19:52.22 | JoshBorke | Iriel: can you give me an example? i don't understand :-/ |
| 19:52.43 | Iriel | for i=1,10 do repeat if (blah(i)) then break; end stuff until false end |
| 19:52.51 | Iriel | or, if you need to break from the outer loop |
| 19:53.21 | Iriel | for i=1,10 do local doBreak repeat if (blah(i)) then break; end stuff if (blah2(x)) then doBreak=true; end until false if (doBreak) then break; end end |
| 19:53.34 | Iriel | or you can set i=10, in the loop, if you know the termination condition that's shorter |
| 19:54.33 | JoshBorke | i see, thanks |
| 19:56.02 | Iriel | actually, it's repeat .. until true |
| 19:56.09 | Iriel | I'm getting my do/while and repeat/until's mixed up 8-) |
| 19:58.20 | JoshBorke | woohoo! i finally got 5 votes on worldofwar! |
| 19:59.10 | Shadowd | What mod? |
| 19:59.30 | JoshBorke | GreaterBuff |
| 19:59.45 | JoshBorke | but don't look at it, the coding is attrocious :-/ |
| 20:00.04 | Shadowd | Thats like saying don't push the giant red button though |
| 20:01.26 | Shadowd | That actually looks kind of handy |
| 20:01.56 | JoshBorke | it is very handy, but it currently scans the raid everytime you hit the button |
| 20:02.24 | JoshBorke | so my next iteration will cache the raid setup |
| 20:03.41 | JoshBorke | when do raid<num> change? is it only when new players join the raid, or also when the same players are moved around in groups? |
| 20:04.16 | Shadowd | i'd imagine both, doesn't the wiki say? |
| 20:05.22 | digix_ | got a quick question about events...... |
| 20:05.32 | digix | >_< |
| 20:05.34 | Shouryuu | hit me! |
| 20:06.15 | digix | anywho.... say i wanna find out when ive been (de)buffed with Burning Adrenaline during Vael... which event would i use for that? ive looked through most of em, but cant figure out which would be better |
| 20:06.22 | digix | lol |
| 20:06.40 | Shadowd | isn't it UNIT_AURA with arg1 as player? |
| 20:07.26 | digix | thats what i thought might work... but figured i would consult you guys since i dont have game access at work here :P |
| 20:07.37 | Shouryuu | Josh - Bully... |
| 20:08.26 | Shouryuu | Does the Mini Map have it's own Coordinate system? As in (0,0) the center, and so forth? |
| 20:08.28 | JoshBorke | "Shouryuu hit me!" i'm innocent i swear? |
| 20:08.38 | JoshBorke | er, "i swear!" |
| 20:08.47 | Shouryuu | It was a metaphore... =( |
| 20:08.50 | Shadowd | says UNIT_AURA updates on buff, debuff, status or item bonus was gained or faded by an npc, player or mob and arg1 contains the UnitID of the event. So i'm guessing thats right at least |
| 20:09.55 | digix | hmmmmm.... okies, ill have to play around with it when i get home i suppose... thanks for the help :) |
| 20:10.04 | Iriel | There's PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED also |
| 20:10.06 | Iriel | if you only care about player |
| 20:10.16 | digix | oooooo, actually, yeah |
| 20:10.42 | digix | this is actually going in ReactiveMacros, so yeah, i would just need myself |
| 20:11.35 | Iriel | Ok.. outta here. |
| 20:12.09 | Tem | We require more vespene gas |
| 20:12.21 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 20:12.26 | Shouryuu | I miss that so much |
| 20:12.28 | Tem | actually, I just need a new name for EasyMasterLoot |
| 20:13.11 | AnduinLothar | heh we played a few 2v2 matches in BW last night in QA |
| 20:13.22 | AnduinLothar | funny thing was one guy actually crashed |
| 20:13.29 | Tem | LOL |
| 20:13.31 | AnduinLothar | couldnt reproduce tho |
| 20:13.33 | Shouryuu | BW? |
| 20:13.38 | Tem | Brood War |
| 20:13.41 | Shouryuu | ahhhh |
| 20:13.59 | Tem | oh, you are QA now |
| 20:14.05 | AnduinLothar | Tem, did you make that addon i was talkign about? |
| 20:14.13 | Tem | what addon? |
| 20:14.22 | AnduinLothar | EasyMasterLoot sounds like it |
| 20:14.26 | Tem | oh |
| 20:14.35 | Tem | I was inspired by a thread that I never could find again |
| 20:14.38 | Tem | possibly |
| 20:14.39 | AnduinLothar | to auto-sellect yourself for boes and bellow |
| 20:14.46 | Tem | no |
| 20:14.51 | Tem | it doesn't do that |
| 20:14.52 | AnduinLothar | what's urs do? |
| 20:14.55 | Tem | ... yet |
| 20:15.11 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:15.11 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4661 |
| 20:15.30 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 20:15.42 | Tem | I need a new name though |
| 20:15.54 | Tem | 1) This name is terribly boring |
| 20:16.03 | Tem | 2) It's taken |
| 20:16.09 | AnduinLothar | Well i've been requesed byt wo diff people for a mod that allows you to sellect a lootholder and auto sellect them for all non bop |
| 20:16.09 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:16.29 | Tem | AnduinLothar: yeah I'm adding that feature like, tomorrow |
| 20:16.33 | AnduinLothar | presumably with a popup and dropdown |
| 20:16.52 | AnduinLothar | and then have it pop up again if their bag is full |
| 20:16.52 | Tem | atm, I'm adding an "Annouce Loot" button |
| 20:17.21 | AnduinLothar | ya. I had an auto-annouce feature back in LootSafely |
| 20:17.38 | Tem | I didn't like the idea of it auto announcing |
| 20:17.48 | Tem | so I added a button to the loot frame that you can click to announce the loot |
| 20:17.54 | AnduinLothar | that works |
| 20:18.06 | Tem | I need to parse the money part |
| 20:18.16 | AnduinLothar | i presume it's smart enough for raid or party chat if not raid |
| 20:18.22 | Tem | aye |
| 20:18.32 | AnduinLothar | good stuff |
| 20:18.44 | Tem | it's also smart enough to handle long loot lists that wouldn't fit into one chat message |
| 20:18.51 | AnduinLothar | if you give it khaos options I'd consider putting it in Cosmos |
| 20:19.03 | Tem | I doubt you would |
| 20:19.08 | Tem | it's an Ace addon |
| 20:19.20 | AnduinLothar | might have to break it then ;) |
| 20:19.28 | Tem | break what? |
| 20:20.06 | AnduinLothar | lol, de-aceify it. people tend to hate it when i do that. |
| 20:20.28 | Tem | I don't think I would hate it, but I can't say I would be pleased |
| 20:20.51 | Tem | well |
| 20:20.53 | Tem | I dunno |
| 20:20.56 | Tem | it doesn't matter |
| 20:21.25 | AnduinLothar | you'd get more downloads without the ace req, but it's up to you who your audience is |
| 20:21.39 | Tem | I don't care about download counts |
| 20:22.01 | AnduinLothar | I de-aceified AH_Wipe and the author was rather distraught even tho I gave him credit |
| 20:22.15 | Tem | I care that my addons are enjoyable for me to write and that at least one user out there thinks it's a useful addition to the UI |
| 20:22.46 | AnduinLothar | right and it's more useful for you if it uses your libs |
| 20:23.03 | Tem | it's not really even about that |
| 20:23.46 | Tem | I just like the stuff that Ace does for me because it's the stuff that when I would starting writing something I would always put off adding in because it was a pain |
| 20:23.51 | Gryphen | eh, addons are de-seaified |
| 20:24.24 | AnduinLothar | like what tem? |
| 20:24.39 | Shadowd | GUI! |
| 20:25.04 | AnduinLothar | are you using AceGUI or jsut ace? |
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| 20:25.15 | wereHamster | how can I link makros together? |
| 20:25.24 | wereHamster | call one makro from another.. |
| 20:26.29 | AnduinLothar | If you're using AceGUI that makes it harder to de-aceify... |
| 20:27.00 | AnduinLothar | sinces that's more liek an actual lib |
| 20:27.17 | Tem | that and I always hated those OnEvent blocks |
| 20:27.36 | Tem | lets see, stuff I hated about writing non-ace addons... |
| 20:27.43 | Tem | Event Handling |
| 20:27.52 | Tem | Chat commands |
| 20:27.59 | Tem | oh god I HATED chat commands |
| 20:28.33 | Tem | oh AceGUI... I have decided if I'm going to use it yet for this |
| 20:28.34 | AnduinLothar | i have a big enough library of code i'm comfortable i can pretty much cut and paste it all or have mcom auto-gen them |
| 20:28.51 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.56 | Tem | I'm definately going to have an options frame |
| 20:29.12 | Tem | but I haven't ever seriously used AceGUI to be comfortable with it |
| 20:29.26 | AnduinLothar | ok, well tell me when youre finnished and ill take a look |
| 20:29.44 | AnduinLothar | i asked sarf to put the same thing in QuickLoot, so he may have something first |
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| 20:55.03 | Astryl | Hey Anduin? |
| 20:55.30 | Astryl | Ah, nevermind. |
| 20:55.51 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:01.26 | Astryl | Ah, still there Anduin? |
| 21:02.24 | Astryl | Ah, still there AnduinLothar? (In case your irc client plays a sound when your full name is said or something) |
| 21:11.26 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:12.01 | JoshBorke | lol, tag you're it |
| 21:12.44 | AnduinLothar | i hate it when people ask if they can ask a question.. |
| 21:13.07 | AnduinLothar | who started that? |
| 21:13.13 | AnduinLothar | then need to be beheaded |
| 21:13.33 | JoshBorke | can i ask a question? |
| 21:13.42 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 21:13.44 | AnduinLothar | can i ignore you? |
| 21:14.55 | [MoonWolf] | can i ask you a question, YOU ALREADY DID!!!!! |
| 21:17.18 | AnduinLothar | from now on I will simply answer 'no' |
| 21:17.32 | Astryl | Bah |
| 21:17.38 | Astryl | Very sorry, Andi. Work called. |
| 21:17.47 | AnduinLothar | you're fired |
| 21:17.52 | Astryl | woot! |
| 21:18.26 | Astryl | OK... Does Khaos have any support for choosing an item or spell or action or something for a config setting? |
| 21:19.02 | AnduinLothar | you mean by drag and drop? nope... it's been requested tho.. |
| 21:19.12 | Astryl | OK. Consider this another request. |
| 21:21.11 | Astryl | How about an EditBox? Don't see any editboxes used in any of the addons I have enabled... |
| 21:21.39 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 21:21.54 | AnduinLothar | Invite-O-Matic has an editbox example |
| 21:22.11 | Astryl | OKie. |
| 21:22.32 | Astryl | Thanks. |
| 22:31.32 | ckknight | how would you simulate right-clicking on Greater Magic Essence to split it into 3 Lesser Magic Essences? |
| 22:31.42 | ckknight | UseContainerItem(i, j) isn't working |
| 22:31.48 | Osagasu | its a use command, I thought |
| 22:32.25 | ckknight | I thought so too |
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| 22:43.24 | Shouryuu | Do totems trigger a global cooldown? |
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| 23:03.32 | Shouryuu | rawr out |
| 23:29.07 | Shadowd | There happen to be a good way to find out of a chat message contains an item link? Don't care about what the item link is, just if it contains one or not. |
| 23:32.24 | Shadowd | Ah nevermind, was able to just search for Hitem to do the job well enough |
| 23:34.08 | Tem | hmm |
| 23:34.15 | Tem | I would search for |Hitem |
| 23:34.26 | Tem | because anyone can type Hitem |
| 23:34.43 | Shadowd | Well it's mostly just to only display trade messages that contain an item link, so nothing really major |
| 23:35.07 | Shadowd | Changed to that though |
| 23:35.25 | Tem | still, if you expect something to be there, you should never assume that user can't trick you into thinking it's there |
| 23:35.44 | Shadowd | That's true |
| 23:36.14 | Tem | matter of fact, I would make it match the entire link |
| 23:36.26 | Shadowd | If i could find the regex to do it I would, but can't atm |
| 23:36.48 | Tem | |Hitem:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+|h[[^]]*]|h |
| 23:37.30 | Shadowd | Hmm, is there a reason trying to do a /dump string.find( "<item link>", "|Hitem:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+|h[[^]]*]|h" ); wouldn't return anything then? |
| 23:39.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahhhh, PasswordSafe makes my life SO much easier. |
| 23:41.07 | Tem | Shadowd: yes |
| 23:41.20 | Tem | the | character is automatucally escaped in chat |
| 23:41.54 | Shadowd | oh duh |
| 23:42.07 | Shadowd | thanks |
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| 23:43.44 | ckknight | why doesn't lua have something like i += 1? |
| 23:43.53 | ckknight | or does it and I just don't know about it? |
| 23:44.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | I was wondering that too, ckknight. I was about to make my own "inc" function. |
| 23:45.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnAbsurdlyLongVariableNameThatNeedsToBeIncremented = AnAbsurdlyLongVariableNameThatNeedsToBeIncremented + 1 <-- += and ++ were made to help alleviate situations like this |
| 23:46.02 | ckknight | I hate ++ |
| 23:46.09 | ckknight | += 1 is _so_ much clearer |
| 23:46.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | ++ is an actual assembly command, inc |
| 23:46.44 | ckknight | yea, I know |
| 23:48.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: You must be a C user, since how can you like C++ but hate the ++? |
| 23:48.19 | ckknight | no, I hate C++ |
| 23:48.35 | ckknight | first language I learned |
| 23:48.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Heh, bad analogy on my part, ++ is in both |
| 23:48.43 | ckknight | yea, it is |
| 23:48.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Not sure about the history, it might have been added to C later. |
| 23:49.04 | ckknight | although I'd prefer not to use C, it is much cleaner than C++ |
| 23:50.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | I *love* using C. For me, it's either a nice, clean compiled language like C or a bloated scripting/VM like Java, Lua, BASH, etc. |
| 23:50.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | If I want it fast, I do it in C. If I don't care about resources, I do it in something else. |
| 23:51.30 | Corrodias | i wish C++ would die. die die die die die die die |
| 23:51.34 | Corrodias | DIEDIEDIE |
| 23:52.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | I don't favour C++ either, if I'm using a compiled language, I'd like to do everything from stratch (to a point) |
| 23:52.03 | ckknight | I like the .NET framework |
| 23:52.39 | ckknight | but I agree, if it's compiled to asm, I'd use C over anything else |
| 23:53.12 | ckknight | otherwise, I'd use a Jited or scripting language |