| 00:10.01 | Tem|PVP | <1 minute queues are the win |
| 00:10.32 | Shadowd | Test server? |
| 00:10.44 | Shadowd | which makes no sense since it's not up |
| 00:17.42 | Shouryuu | Rawr out children |
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| 00:24.20 | MentalPower | wb Cairenn |
| 00:24.25 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 00:24.43 | Cairenn | Hey MentalPower, you're working with Norgs? |
| 00:24.51 | MentalPower | yup |
| 00:25.06 | Cairenn | you identified on here? if not, please do, PMs |
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| 00:31.59 | Guillotine | question: now that you can't hook movement functions, can't you just make a new function with its own keybinding to call first the movement, then the desired action? |
| 00:33.23 | AnduinLothar | i doubt it |
| 00:33.42 | Guillotine | then what exactly are they blocking? obviously not just the hooking |
| 00:33.42 | AnduinLothar | you might, however, be able to hook the binding call. |
| 00:34.19 | Guillotine | dammit, i just wish I could get into the test server |
| 00:42.41 | Cairenn | do we really need another addon hosting site? |
| 00:43.00 | MentalPower | I don't think so |
| 00:43.04 | AnduinLothar | complaining about more competition? |
| 00:43.07 | MentalPower | is ther another one surfacing? |
| 00:43.59 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: did I really deserve that? |
| 00:44.06 | Cairenn | MentalPower: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=332006&p=1&tmp=1#post332006 |
| 00:44.57 | AnduinLothar | If we got what we deserved life would be misserable |
| 00:45.51 | Guillotine | as far as I'm concerned, we don't need more addon DATABASE sites, though we could always use more for programming techinices |
| 00:46.00 | Guillotine | maybe one that just hosts bits of code for specific things |
| 00:46.15 | MentalPower | that would be nice |
| 00:46.15 | AnduinLothar | mmm, rather have those on the wiki.. |
| 00:46.16 | Guillotine | such as to teach someone how to add tooltip text. took me hours to find all the events I needed to hook |
| 00:46.31 | Guillotine | true. the wiki does kind of do that |
| 00:46.39 | Cairenn | complaining about more competition AnduinLothar? |
| 00:46.51 | Guillotine | :P burned Anduin |
| 00:46.53 | AnduinLothar | the wiki doesn't compete with much. |
| 00:46.58 | AnduinLothar | plus it's not mine |
| 00:47.04 | AnduinLothar | but I contribute |
| 00:47.26 | Guillotine | ewww. I have to say I don't think this new addon site is going to do very well. its not all too pretty... |
| 00:47.37 | AnduinLothar | and curse is? |
| 00:48.02 | Gryphen | curse is simple and light |
| 00:48.08 | Guillotine | no, but it has the advantage of having lots of mods. Here, Top Downloaded: Party Target - 2 |
| 00:48.09 | Gryphen | the gothic theme is getting old |
| 00:48.30 | Guillotine | you mean WoWI's theme? I rather like it |
| 00:49.14 | Gryphen | ok |
| 00:49.23 | Guillotine | too each his own :) |
| 00:49.47 | Guillotine | though I still want WoWI to start remembering my thread preferences again. so I don't always have to click 'show oldest first' |
| 00:51.01 | Cairenn | is that still broken? post it in the site bugs forum |
| 00:54.36 | Cairenn | please |
| 00:56.15 | Guillotine | thought I did a while ago. ok |
| 00:56.28 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3713 |
| 00:57.00 | Cairenn | so you did |
| 00:57.08 | Cairenn | I'll point it out to Dolby again |
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| 01:04.01 | AnduinLothar | and mine: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17368 |
| 01:07.11 | AnduinLothar | sweet ScrollFrame:SetScrollChild(frame or "framename") |
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| 01:14.33 | Guillotine | I'm so proud of myself. I finally soloed the piccolo |
| 01:18.38 | Guillotine | are links checked on non-linkable channels (such as general)? |
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| 01:36.36 | Guillotine_ | dammit. not even worth changing my name again... |
| 01:37.01 | Guillotine_ | seriously, someone at freenode is messing with me |
| 01:37.09 | Guillotine_ | I never get d/c on anything else... |
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| 01:39.02 | Guillotine__ | i thin freenode just QFTd me |
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| 01:55.31 | Guillotine | its wobin... |
| 01:55.54 | Wobin_ | OMG Where?! |
| 01:56.05 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 02:02.30 | Guil_away | .... or am I? |
| 02:02.44 | Wobin_ | oh noes. |
| 02:02.56 | Wobin_ | We will be on the edge of our seats with the suspense! =) |
| 02:03.09 | Guillotine | tada! |
| 02:03.11 | Guillotine | I'm just amazing |
| 02:03.44 | Cairenn | ya'll are weird :p |
| 02:04.02 | AnduinLothar | I'm not weird, I'm strange |
| 02:04.12 | An | I'm both |
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| 02:08.43 | guillotine | AnduinLothar: if something is being fixed next patch (spoofing item links in this case) but I just found a horrible exploit with it (you can spoof rolls. just about undetectable), is it worth reporting or just waiting until next patch? |
| 02:09.10 | guillotine | as a side not with that, I suggest everyone change the system messages color for now |
| 02:09.15 | guillotine | s/not/note |
| 02:09.27 | guillotine | I don't know how to use that... |
| 02:09.29 | Cairenn | guillotine: send me the info, I'll get it passed along |
| 02:09.40 | Cairenn | cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 02:12.53 | AnduinLothar | tell me how and I'll put it in the bug database |
| 02:14.18 | guillotine | basically, you spoof a blank item in general chat (by using chinese characters as it validates that, but does not display them). add to it |n (new line. not filtered in links) |cffffff00 (yellow color) Guillotine rolls 100(1-100) |
| 02:14.25 | guillotine | I can give you an addon to simplify it |
| 02:14.47 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: you taking care of it or want me to? |
| 02:14.59 | AnduinLothar | i can, work starts in 45 min |
| 02:15.09 | Cairenn | k |
| 02:18.31 | AnduinLothar | anyone have any other exploits they want me to research tonight? |
| 02:20.15 | Wobin_ | Was there that jump() /camp macro? |
| 02:20.37 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure of the specifics =P |
| 02:20.40 | AnduinLothar | jump() should be blizzar donly |
| 02:25.58 | zeeg | bahaha |
| 02:26.01 | zeeg | i just bought nukeafrica.com |
| 02:26.07 | zeeg | i wanted nukecanada |
| 02:26.08 | zeeg | but it was taken |
| 02:26.09 | zeeg | :( |
| 02:26.16 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 02:26.22 | zeeg | im gonna use it as a humor site |
| 02:26.30 | Wobin_ | You're such a humanitarian, zeeg. |
| 02:26.33 | AnduinLothar | where do you find the time.. |
| 02:26.36 | zeeg | I KNOW :D |
| 02:26.55 | zeeg | i got lazors.com too |
| 02:26.56 | zeeg | pew pew |
| 02:26.59 | Wobin_ | And I mean that in the nicest possible way. |
| 02:27.10 | zeeg | www.mmofiles.com/mmofiles.jpg |
| 02:27.11 | zeeg | like it? |
| 02:34.06 | Corrodias | User Child Porn? that's terrible |
| 02:36.27 | Cairenn | Corrodias: ? |
| 02:36.59 | Wobin_ | User CP (Control Panel) |
| 02:37.10 | guillotine | rofl. >_< |
| 02:37.11 | Cairenn | ah |
| 02:37.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:37.20 | guillotine | i sure hope that isn't what really came to mind first Corrodias |
| 02:37.41 | Corrodias | it always is, because i visit 4chan a lot where "CP" usually means that |
| 02:37.55 | Cairenn | I couldn't figure out what on earth Corrodias was talking about, I'd never have come up with that |
| 02:39.17 | guillotine | I shouldn't be actioned against for testing a roll spoofer in a channel absent of anyone but myself, right? Had to send the addon to Anduin and didn't want to send one that put up an error... |
| 02:39.30 | Corrodias | "actioned against"? |
| 02:39.54 | guillotine | I was suspended before for whispering a spoof of a gm name to my rl friend :/ |
| 02:39.57 | guillotine | and wasn't reported |
| 02:40.07 | Wobin_ | are there GMs on the test servers? |
| 02:40.17 | Cairenn | I would hope not guillotine, but /shrug |
| 02:40.47 | Corrodias | maybe you should contact a GM first to alert him first. haha |
| 02:40.56 | Corrodias | the second first should be "beforehand" |
| 02:41.06 | Corrodias | becuase saying it again is redundant |
| 02:41.34 | guillotine | hehe. I figure I shouldn't tell any gm. last time, I reported the spoofing a gm name as a bug to a gm, and thats why they looked at my chat log and suspended me >_< |
| 02:41.42 | guillotine | I'm not too trusting of the GMs after that |
| 02:42.08 | Cairenn | meh, never report it to a GM, send it to one of the folks you know has contacts with blizz :p |
| 02:42.08 | Wobin_ | Depends I guess |
| 02:42.10 | Corrodias | one more small turnoff of WoW >_> |
| 02:42.33 | Wobin_ | Was the spoof "GM says: Haha, you are suspended" or "GM says: Test"? |
| 02:42.57 | Corrodias | "GM says: give me your password or i'll ban you" |
| 02:43.03 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 02:43.18 | Wobin_ | I can understand if they suspended you for doing that, even if you were testing it |
| 02:43.43 | Wobin_ | You could have done "NonexistantGMName tells you: Test" or something to prove it works |
| 02:44.06 | Wobin_ | or even 'said' it to yourself |
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| 02:44.37 | guillotine | now it was GM says: see? spoofing GMs is possible. uh oh |
| 02:44.42 | guillotine | no* |
| 02:47.54 | guillotine | nerf sleepyness |
| 02:49.28 | guillotine | I have to say, the people posting spoofing mods to curse gaming can't be all that smart |
| 02:49.39 | guillotine | you just know plenty of ppl are going to take advantage of it |
| 02:49.54 | Corrodias | for a very short time. |
| 02:50.10 | guillotine | i dont know. I'd guess 1.10 takes at least a month to go live |
| 02:51.10 | Corrodias | they can make small server-side changes every week, or more often if they wish |
| 02:51.12 | Wobin_ | quickpatch =P |
| 02:51.26 | Wobin_ | And it's not really a client issue |
| 02:58.05 | guillotine | true |
| 02:58.27 | guillotine | or even just put a sticky on the general forums suggesting that ppl change their system messages color |
| 02:58.29 | guillotine | thats what I did |
| 02:58.29 | Cairenn | *when* will people learn that UI code is *not* public source? |
| 02:58.41 | guillotine | Cairenn: huh? |
| 02:58.57 | guillotine | I thought it was in general under public lisence or whatever its called |
| 02:59.18 | Cairenn | not unless the author so chooses to license it that way |
| 02:59.29 | Cairenn | otherwise, intellectual copywrite applies |
| 02:59.32 | Corrodias | as i recall from a previous conversation, blizzard has no claim over addons |
| 02:59.45 | Corrodias | they let authors use whatever license they want. they might be sellable..? |
| 03:00.01 | guillotine | Cairenn: what is this in response to? |
| 03:00.15 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=332149 |
| 03:00.22 | Cairenn | "In the end it's all open source anyway" |
| 03:00.23 | zeeg | LOL |
| 03:00.25 | Cairenn | no, it isn't |
| 03:00.25 | Corrodias | this is in contrast to bioware who takes measures in the license agreements to own all modules and custom content, to keep people trom trying to sell it or something |
| 03:00.26 | zeeg | i think wowguru ran out of disk space |
| 03:00.37 | Gryphen | lol |
| 03:01.01 | zeeg | ya that had to bre it |
| 03:01.09 | zeeg | haha |
| 03:01.10 | zeeg | yep |
| 03:01.32 | zeeg | there 3.7gb free |
| 03:01.33 | zeeg | lol |
| 03:04.05 | guillotine | I've always taken bits and pieces of other people's code to get stuff done. should I not do that? |
| 03:05.09 | Cairenn | as I said, most don't care if you borrow bits and pieces of their code, but if you were to take someone's code in whole and try to pass it off as your own, then they would be in their right to yell at you (at minimum) |
| 03:05.09 | Corrodias | do you want my opinion or legal advice? |
| 03:05.42 | Cairenn | but as Corrodias rightly points out, IANAL |
| 03:05.55 | Corrodias | lolol he said ANAL |
| 03:06.02 | Wobin_ | she =P |
| 03:06.14 | Corrodias | even better! |
| 03:06.20 | Corrodias | \m/ |
| 03:06.23 | Cairenn | I Am Not A Lawyer |
| 03:06.30 | Corrodias | so.. no anal, then |
| 03:07.04 | Corrodias | but Cairenn is correct about borrowing "bits" |
| 03:07.21 | Wobin_ | You can't really stop the whole borrowing bits |
| 03:07.26 | Cairenn | unless someone specifically states that their code is open source and licenses it as such ... it's copywrite protected |
| 03:07.28 | Codayus | Short form is - code is copyrighted. Think of a mod like a short story. It doesn't cover the plot (or the idea behind the mod) but it does cover that particular implementation. |
| 03:07.43 | Wobin_ | it's a standard progression in learning systems like addons |
| 03:07.48 | Cairenn | aye |
| 03:07.55 | Corrodias | it's hard to claim, even to yourself, that you own small portions of an algorithm. if you take large pieces it gets fuzzier. |
| 03:07.56 | Cairenn | and most authors have no problem with it |
| 03:08.12 | Cairenn | most authors will tell you that is how they started, too |
| 03:08.28 | Cairenn | by taking someone else's code, tearing it apart, learning how it works |
| 03:08.44 | Wobin_ | Also, since technically you didn't develop the concept behind an algorithm (ie it's been thought of before) there's even less claim to small sections in that way |
| 03:08.55 | Corrodias | as for my opinion, people must not be allowed to take ownership of a way of doing things in such a way as to discourage its use because it makes life worse for everybody else |
| 03:09.07 | Corrodias | evil! |
| 03:09.18 | Codayus | I can write a spy novel and its copyrighted. And you can read mine, decide the plot twist at the end is cool, and decide to write your own that has some similarites. But you can't copy the entire thing, borrow my characters, or use the exact same plot twist. But, of course, I might not sue you even if you did copy it directly. |
| 03:09.43 | Wobin_ | Or do it within your own series, I guess *cougheddingscough* |
| 03:09.47 | Cairenn | it's the exact same as graphics work ... it belongs to the original artist, you can't copy it exact and claim it as your own |
| 03:09.51 | guillotine | hmmm. maybe I should add to some of my mods that its under public license. I've been begging ppl to take up a couple of my mods that I no longer wish to support |
| 03:10.05 | Codayus | Wobin_: That would be theobvious example. :-P |
| 03:10.32 | Corrodias | i wonder what "public domain" is, exactly. |
| 03:10.47 | Codayus | In THEORY - all mod authors should really explicitly outline the license they release the work under. As a general rule, if you don't make it excplicit, then under current US law, you retain ALL rights, and nobody can copy your code. |
| 03:11.04 | Cairenn | Codayus: yup |
| 03:11.10 | Corrodias | i wrote "int". you can't use it! >:o |
| 03:11.17 | guillotine | rofl |
| 03:11.17 | Wobin_ | How legally binding are the ToC anyway? |
| 03:11.25 | Corrodias | table of contents? |
| 03:11.34 | Wobin_ | guh |
| 03:11.44 | Wobin_ | I was thinking Terms of Conditions =P |
| 03:11.50 | Wobin_ | But that's not right =P |
| 03:11.57 | Wobin_ | damn prepositions |
| 03:11.59 | Cairenn | ToU? |
| 03:12.03 | Corrodias | terms of service and end-user license agreement |
| 03:12.12 | Wobin_ | service, that's what I was looking for |
| 03:12.19 | Wobin_ | I should have just used EULA =P |
| 03:12.27 | Cairenn | Blizz doesn't actually have a ToS, they have a ToU |
| 03:12.40 | Cairenn | everyone just says ToS |
| 03:12.47 | Wobin_ | That's more a client focused one I guess? |
| 03:12.58 | Cairenn | Terms of Use, as opposed to Terms of Service |
| 03:13.02 | Wobin_ | Rather than defining what Blizzard will provide |
| 03:13.10 | Wobin_ | it defines what you as the user will do |
| 03:13.15 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 03:13.15 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:13.33 | Cairenn | the terms to which you are agreeing by using it |
| 03:14.12 | Cairenn | they both are basically the same thing though, in the context under which we're discussing them |
| 03:14.22 | Cairenn | SOE has ToS, Blizz has ToU, it's all the same in the end |
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| 03:28.21 | Qzot | Howdy. |
| 03:28.26 | Cairenn | yo |
| 03:28.44 | Qzot|hacking | I'll be monitoring when alt-tabbed from the game. |
| 03:28.57 | Cairenn | oh noes, no sploiting! |
| 03:29.06 | Qzot|hacking | At some point, I'd like to guild my alliance toon on Draka. |
| 03:29.25 | Qzot|hacking | 'Hacking' in the old sense, not in the modern, widely understood sense. |
| 03:29.26 | Cairenn | well, I kept asking you which side, so I could log in to guild, and you never answered me :p |
| 03:29.36 | Qzot|hacking | Sorry, must have missed it. |
| 03:29.44 | Qzot|hacking | Qzot, level 5 gnome lock. |
| 03:29.47 | Cairenn | now good? |
| 03:29.54 | Qzot|hacking | Sure. I'm logging in now. |
| 03:30.10 | Cairenn | maybe ... |
| 03:32.05 | Qzot|hacking | I'm in. |
| 03:32.10 | Qzot|hacking | Slooooww. |
| 03:32.39 | Cairenn | accept :p |
| 03:32.58 | Qzot|hacking | Already did. :P |
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| 03:34.17 | Ktron | heh, are there anyway competitors to CT at this point for raid functions? |
| 03:34.34 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:35.57 | guillotine | though most don't come close to the functionality |
| 03:36.46 | Cairenn | cladhaire has one: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4673 |
| 03:37.00 | cladhaire | lol |
| 03:37.02 | cladhaire | mine is nothing atm =) |
| 03:37.16 | Qzot|hacking | What do you see as the key features of CT? |
| 03:37.16 | cladhaire | but it'll be fun when i get it up |
| 03:37.23 | Cairenn | what's the other one? trying to remember the name ... |
| 03:37.30 | Cide | I like the disclaimer |
| 03:37.31 | Cide | DO NOT ATTEMPT TO RAID WITH THIS ADDON. IT IS BETA, AND MAY LOCK YOUR GAME |
| 03:37.49 | zeeg | Anyone want to try out the new Windows Live Messenger? |
| 03:38.07 | Cide | Qzot|hacking: differs from raid to raid |
| 03:38.10 | Cairenn | XRaid: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4663 |
| 03:38.30 | Qzot|hacking | Cide: k. But that still ducks my question. |
| 03:38.36 | Cide | maybe. |
| 03:38.39 | Cide | but it still differs |
| 03:39.08 | Cairenn | there's a couple others, not recalling names off the top of my head atm |
| 03:39.25 | Cairenn | but CTRA is definitely still the biggest, most widely known and used |
| 03:39.36 | Ktron | I'm sorry, what about addons that offer event notifications for raid fights? these both look like just raid unit frames, and I was thinking about the other stuff more |
| 03:40.03 | Qzot|hacking | So ... um ... what do you see as the key feature*s* which attract people to CTRA? |
| 03:40.14 | Cide | the raid management functions |
| 03:40.21 | Cide | displaying healthbars isn't very advanced |
| 03:40.28 | guillotine | and boss timers |
| 03:40.36 | Cide | that too |
| 03:40.43 | Cairenn | Ktron: what do you mean by event notifications? |
| 03:40.57 | Qzot|hacking | I haven't done any high-end instancing, Cide, so you may want to break it down for a n00b more. |
| 03:41.05 | Ktron | boss timers, extra notification of boss events, etc. etc. etc. |
| 03:41.34 | Cairenn | Ktron: might take a look at RaidOrganizer as an alternate then: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4465 |
| 03:42.03 | Cide | ready checks, durability checks, aggro alerts, main tanks, boss mods, main tank deaths, etc |
| 03:42.29 | Ktron | It was a bit of knowing that one of my friends can't get CT to work properly on his computer anymore (and he won't take my suggestions to fix it) and I was curious if CT had enough competition to maintain growth |
| 03:42.49 | Qzot|hacking | I ask with a vested interest, because altho I'm coming from a completely different direction, PartyAims (which I'm supposed to be hacking on right now) could be a good complementary raid tool with a bit of polish. |
| 03:45.59 | Ktron | Cairenn; sorry, I must have explained it poorly again:)... If you've ever used/seen used CT in raid instances, there's all sorts of notifications and timers that fire off, from giving you timers until bosses cast spells to giving you you warning about who has particular spells cast on them. I'm trying to determine if anyone besides CT bothers to make addons to try to do these sort of things, and do more than say one instance's worth of events |
| 03:46.22 | Cairenn | Ktron: your friend would be better to figure out why his machine chokes on CT now (yes, I saw you saying he won't listen to you) |
| 03:46.23 | cladhaire | CIde: I had some stupid logic errors.. raided Luci and it spanked me =) |
| 03:46.51 | cladhaire | I was re-anchoring the buff frames each buff change. That is a bad thing =) |
| 03:46.55 | Cairenn | Ktron: don't think there are really any out there that compete on that level, at least not yet |
| 03:46.59 | Ktron | It's also at this point curiousity to whether it exists |
| 03:46.59 | cladhaire | I dont even do stupid stuff like that in WD =) |
| 03:47.21 | Cairenn | Ktron: but it's entirely possible that there is one (or more) out there that I'm just not aware of |
| 03:47.23 | Ktron | yeah, that's what I'm guessing Cairenn, just wanted to see if other people agreed or knew better:) |
| 03:47.25 | Wobin_ | hehe that's very cool http://youtube.com/watch?v=37GVvxcyz6I&search=peel%20potato |
| 03:47.42 | Cairenn | Ktron: although I'm usually pretty on-top of what's available |
| 03:47.55 | Wobin_ | Those wacky Japanese |
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| 03:48.36 | Ktron | yep, if you don't think its out there, then it probably isn't, because generally even if you don't know the name, you would have heard of it |
| 03:50.59 | Cairenn | Ktron: just tell your friend to stfu, listen to you and fix his machine ;) |
| 03:51.08 | Qzot|hacking | o.O |
| 03:51.32 | Ktron | he probably should just delete his WTF folder and it'll be fixed, or at least the respective CT variables or such |
| 03:51.51 | Ktron | I'm almost positive his problem is due to never doing that ever |
| 03:52.16 | Qzot|hacking | Delete WTF? |
| 03:52.20 | Qzot|hacking | WTF? |
| 03:52.27 | zeeg | WTF/ |
| 03:52.28 | Cairenn | Qzot|hacking: what are you boggling about? |
| 03:52.32 | zeeg | its the settings folder |
| 03:52.35 | Qzot|hacking | And lose months and months of Auctioneer data??? |
| 03:52.41 | zeeg | ok i got like 10 invites left |
| 03:52.43 | Qzot|hacking | O.O |
| 03:52.43 | Ktron | he doesn't use database addons |
| 03:52.46 | zeeg | no one at all who wants to try out the new msn beta? |
| 03:52.57 | Ktron | he thinks they'll slow down his computer too much |
| 03:53.00 | zeeg | its pretty sexy :D |
| 03:53.42 | cladhaire | msn ~= sexy |
| 03:53.51 | zeeg | cladhaire, thenew one is very sexy |
| 03:53.58 | cladhaire | *shudder* |
| 03:54.02 | cladhaire | i dont think so at all |
| 03:54.11 | zeeg | youve used live? |
| 03:54.15 | cladhaire | i would barely classify it as "Shiny" |
| 03:54.32 | zeeg | http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=0eccd94b-eb48-497c-8e60-c6313f7ebb73 |
| 03:55.04 | cladhaire | its too much.. the UI isn't elegant at all =( |
| 03:55.14 | cladhaire | of course I use AIM in emacs.. so =) |
| 03:55.37 | cladhaire | different strokes and all that =) |
| 03:56.29 | Qzot|hacking | Is there a dense location for lots of LoadOnDemand toons? |
| 03:57.01 | cladhaire | that's alliance? |
| 03:57.03 | cladhaire | i dont play there |
| 03:57.18 | Ktron | Windows Messenger is not my friend |
| 03:58.24 | Corrodias | the new thing's advantage over MSN messenger? the ability to share documents with magical ease. probably an ease we like to call "DRM". |
| 03:58.47 | zeeg | its got phone calls to like yahoo |
| 03:58.54 | zeeg | im trying out the live security center irght now |
| 03:58.55 | Corrodias | (that was a funny relevant microsoft joke) |
| 03:58.57 | zeeg | looks promising |
| 03:59.04 | zeeg | *too |
| 03:59.20 | Cairenn | zeeg, PM |
| 04:02.37 | Qzot|hacking | Speaking of which, how does one initiate a PM in mIRC? |
| 04:03.38 | Corrodias | /msg <name> <text> |
| 04:03.48 | Corrodias | or double-click a name to open a query window (where messages are placed) |
| 04:03.58 | Corrodias | or /query <name> to do the same |
| 04:04.39 | Wobin_ | You have to have your nickname registered on this server to PM here though |
| 04:04.49 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:05.07 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.08 | Qzot|hacking | Ah. And how does one accomplish this, to becomee level 2 IRC user? |
| 04:05.32 | Cairenn | zeeg, don't think you're identified |
| 04:05.42 | zeeg | oh |
| 04:05.50 | zeeg | i need email addy |
| 04:05.50 | zeeg | :P |
| 04:05.57 | Cairenn | use guru :p |
| 04:06.05 | zeeg | im lazy >< |
| 04:06.14 | zeeg | cairenn@wowi? |
| 04:06.17 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:06.23 | Cairenn | spelled out, of course |
| 04:06.28 | zeeg | of course |
| 04:06.29 | zeeg | :p |
| 04:06.31 | zeeg | sent |
| 04:09.51 | Cairenn | got it, thanks |
| 04:12.54 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 04:16.07 | zeeg | ctprofiles O.o |
| 04:26.22 | clad|sleep | Night Cair =) |
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| 04:36.42 | guillotine | I wonder why ppl are jerks... you seriously get so much more from being helpful. You have no idea how much gold/items/guild positions I've been offered for helping ppl |
| 04:42.25 | clad|sleep | people off to let you do them doggy style for being helpful |
| 04:42.26 | clad|sleep | odd. |
| 04:43.17 | Cairenn | clad|sleep: you sleep as well as I do |
| 04:43.55 | Tain | I was about to until I saw discussions of doggy style. |
| 04:45.05 | Tain | Frankly it's just in some people's nature to be assholes. They obtain pleasure from it in the same way others obtain pleasure in helping. |
| 04:47.34 | Tain | And at that I suppose this "asshole" is going to sleep. |
| 04:47.46 | clad|sleep | http://cornonthekabob.ytmnd.com/ |
| 04:51.36 | Qzot|hacking | Heh. My guild moved to a PvP server. PvP servers attract a-holes like flies to... |
| 04:52.19 | Qzot|hacking | ~8ball Will I ever get this bloody code cleaned up, overhauled, and running properly again? |
| 04:52.20 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 04:52.45 | Qzot|hacking | ~8ball Will I actually get it working tonight? |
| 04:52.46 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 04:52.46 | Cairenn | ~8ball Are butterflies the new race? |
| 04:52.48 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 04:53.26 | Qzot|hacking | So, am I sure purl answers questions FIFO, or is there some chance it's a stack? |
| 04:54.44 | Qzot|hacking | No away on the butterflies, Cairenn, I'm afraid. |
| 04:54.49 | Qzot|hacking | *way |
| 04:55.08 | Qzot|hacking | I don't have the secret in that you do, but I rather suspect it would defeat their purpose. |
| 04:56.14 | Wobin_ | I for one welcome our new butterfly overlords! |
| 04:56.45 | Qzot|hacking | Tbh, I think the new alliance race has to be relatively unattractive. |
| 04:57.24 | Qzot|hacking | Worse: It has to *look* attractive, but have few people choose to play it long-term. |
| 04:58.06 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 04:58.09 | Wobin_ | You said race |
| 04:58.11 | Wobin_ | not master race |
| 04:59.02 | guillotine | so Cairenn, you know the new race? |
| 04:59.04 | Wobin_ | That's moths |
| 04:59.06 | guillotine | or do we just assume you do? |
| 04:59.10 | Qzot|hacking | Close enough. |
| 04:59.45 | Cairenn | doesn't matter if I do, since I wouldn't say anyway |
| 04:59.58 | guillotine | hehe. well I know what it is |
| 05:00.05 | guillotine | slouken told me ;) |
| 05:00.13 | guillotine | yay Ya Rly bird! |
| 05:00.18 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:01.39 | Qzot|hacking | You can do /console reloadui for changing the .xml and adding new .lua files, can't you? Or do you have to completely exit and restart? |
| 05:01.42 | guillotine | racial ability: summon your O RLY bird friend to fight for you for 30 seconds |
| 05:02.00 | guillotine | I know you can change teh xml file, don't think you can add new lua files though |
| 05:02.39 | Qzot|hacking | Hmm. That might explain what I'm seeing, then. |
| 05:03.16 | guillotine | HAHAHAHA http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3506 |
| 05:03.18 | guillotine | HAHAHA |
| 05:03.40 | Cairenn | yeah, they put it up at WoWI too, we didn't approve it |
| 05:04.31 | guillotine | though really he should have given me credit seeing as I was the one that wrote the whole code http://wow.pastebin.com/585624 |
| 05:04.37 | guillotine | didn't know that was what he was going to use it for though... |
| 05:04.46 | guillotine | maybe its better if I don't get credit |
| 05:05.16 | guillotine | I was wondering why it was called ultimateannoyer... |
| 05:05.22 | guillotine | thought it was because that function was really hard for him |
| 05:05.52 | guillotine | ahhh well |
| 05:05.56 | guillotine | curse will approve anything |
| 05:06.48 | guillotine | from now on I'm asking people what the addon is for that I'm writing for them |
| 05:07.35 | guillotine | he didn't even put me in the toc file! I'm offended! |
| 05:08.13 | Qzot|hacking | What are you griping about? It was his idea. You just wrote the code. |
| 05:08.18 | Wobin_ | "Many Thanks to guillotine for writing the addon for me" |
| 05:08.40 | guillotine | lol |
| 05:08.49 | guillotine | well, I g2g to take my biannual shower |
| 05:08.53 | guillotine | :P |
| 05:08.57 | guillotine | no, its time for bed |
| 05:08.59 | guillotine | bye |
| 05:09.03 | Wobin_ | don't forget behind the ears |
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| 05:10.03 | Cairenn | night folks, I'm out |
| 05:10.11 | Wobin_ | night Cair |
| 05:10.16 | clad|sleep | nigth Cair |
| 05:12.51 | MentalPower | goodnight Cairenn |
| 05:13.00 | MentalPower | I'm also out, gnight |
| 05:16.52 | Qzot|hacking | Mwuhaha. They are all gone! |
| 05:17.03 | Qzot|hacking | I can start my evil plot to take over the garden! |
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| 06:13.17 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 06:13.31 | Corrodias | yo |
| 06:53.12 | zeeg | anybody know anyone who works at stratics.com? |
| 06:53.22 | zeeg | preferably someone who can say "remove this image from wow.stratics" for example |
| 06:55.52 | Corrodias | no... but i know the wikipedia link to a list of slang/euphamisms for sexual concepts |
| 06:56.09 | zeeg | bahaha |
| 06:56.11 | zeeg | In addition, this organization is against ads on websites for such services, not directly against selling or buying. As such, your post has been moderated for the link to your website. |
| 06:56.16 | zeeg | they're against ads for selling gold |
| 06:56.19 | zeeg | not gainst selling gold |
| 06:56.37 | Corrodias | interesting... |
| 06:57.11 | zeeg | nogold.org btw |
| 06:57.18 | zeeg | i hate them with a passion |
| 06:57.23 | zeeg | the guy only started this so he promote his own fansites |
| 06:57.28 | zeeg | its run by the guy who runs azzor.com |
| 06:57.40 | zeeg | and i told him i wouldnt join because it's bias, and he started saying I sold gold |
| 07:02.03 | Corrodias | sounds dishonest |
| 07:03.14 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/spells/zzold-id27802/ |
| 07:03.21 | zeeg | i think pally's are getting their holy explosion spell back :P |
| 07:04.08 | Corrodias | zzold? :| |
| 07:04.31 | zeeg | ya thats a new spell tho |
| 07:05.49 | Corrodias | it's not quite as catchy as "holy explosion" |
| 07:06.54 | zeeg | :P |
| 07:06.56 | zeeg | zz time |
| 07:07.07 | Corrodias | zzold? |
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| 07:39.45 | namxo | hi |
| 07:39.46 | namxo | ;) |
| 07:40.08 | namxo | about CastSpellByName onself ? |
| 07:40.09 | namxo | :) |
| 07:43.54 | Qzot|hacking | Heyo. |
| 07:44.15 | Qzot|hacking | Anyone know the queue times during the day for the test server? |
| 07:47.11 | namxo | lol |
| 07:47.11 | namxo | 5 hours ? :p |
| 07:47.31 | Qzot|hacking | Ugh. I hope it gets shorter later in the week. |
| 07:47.44 | Qzot|hacking | I've got an idea for spoofing links. |
| 07:48.20 | Qzot|hacking | Actually, if it works in 1.10, it'll work in 1.9, too, so I should develop it there 1st ... quietly. |
| 07:49.58 | namxo | ? :) |
| 07:54.26 | Corrodias | could someone share with me the original method, now? |
| 07:54.40 | namxo | about ? |
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| 08:30.45 | Qzot|hacking | namxo, Corr: We seem to be passing in the night. |
| 08:31.00 | Qzot|hacking | I've mostly been in and out of game. |
| 08:31.05 | Corrodias | well, i'm about through passing; i'm heading to bed in a moment |
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| 08:31.10 | Qzot | Same here. |
| 08:31.15 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.27 | Qzot | I think I just shook most of the bugs out of the new version of PartyAims. |
| 08:31.45 | Qzot | But there's only so much I can test with self and a pet. |
| 08:32.20 | namxo | i dunno partyaims: |
| 08:32.21 | namxo | :) |
| 08:32.26 | Qzot | namxo: Was your question mark about spoofing links in 1.10? |
| 08:32.48 | Qzot | My own mod. It's only been beta released on WoWI since Dec. |
| 08:34.19 | Qzot | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4307 |
| 08:35.48 | namxo | give me the link for see infos |
| 08:35.50 | namxo | not for download |
| 08:36.12 | Qzot | That's the right link for getting info. |
| 08:36.23 | Corrodias | [asleep] |
| 08:38.43 | namxo | hum ok |
| 08:38.45 | namxo | not useful |
| 08:38.53 | namxo | hum useless i mean |
| 08:38.53 | namxo | :) |
| 08:39.17 | Qzot | That's not been my own experience, but I'm biased. :) |
| 08:39.28 | namxo | it's only like tot (target of target) |
| 08:39.42 | Qzot | ?? |
| 08:40.12 | Qzot | I think you might be missing the point. |
| 08:40.24 | namxo | which ? |
| 08:40.59 | Qzot | Is 'tot' an addon? |
| 08:41.04 | namxo | yep |
| 08:41.04 | namxo | :) |
| 08:41.10 | namxo | on curse-gaming |
| 08:41.16 | namxo | named "tot" :D |
| 08:41.22 | Qzot | I'll look. |
| 08:41.34 | namxo | but no target of target of target for the moment :) |
| 08:41.44 | namxo | "toto" for that lol |
| 08:42.26 | Qzot | Well, I'm not going to try to compare POPA to an addon I'm unfamiliar with, but they don't sound the same to me...yet. |
| 08:42.38 | namxo | why ? |
| 08:43.50 | Qzot | I'm not finding 'tot' on curse-gaming. Keywords? |
| 08:44.19 | Qzot | Nm. Found it. |
| 08:44.52 | Qzot | Um. ToT does about 5% of what POPA does. |
| 08:45.03 | namxo | keywords "tot" |
| 08:45.03 | namxo | :DE |
| 08:45.12 | namxo | 0.1% ? :p |
| 08:45.50 | Qzot | And it's for a different purpose. |
| 08:47.03 | Qzot | So ... POPA shows your group's targets, and shows which group members are targeting each. |
| 08:47.37 | Qzot | I rely on it pretty heavily to switch from one mob to the next in instance runs. |
| 08:48.52 | Qzot | Anyway, time for me to hit the sack. |
| 08:48.54 | Qzot | G'night. |
| 08:49.57 | namxo | lol |
| 08:49.57 | namxo | :) |
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| 11:05.07 | Legorol^ | hmm... on the warsong gulch contest realm (level capped at 19), i ran into a lvl 25 char 2 hours after the realm went up.. |
| 11:05.23 | Legorol^ | since it's not possible to level that fast, musta been a GM who forgot to be invisible |
| 11:38.12 | krka|work | sure that's not possible? |
| 11:38.12 | krka|work | level 60s could be escorting |
| 11:43.24 | Maldivia | aren't transfers closed for the contest realms... |
| 11:43.37 | Maldivia | if which case, a 60 would be impossible :9 |
| 11:47.37 | krka|work | hm, thought it was test realm, nvm |
| 11:53.36 | namxo | :) |
| 12:06.04 | Legorol^ | the contest test realms are fresh realms that came up fresh a few hours ago |
| 12:06.08 | Legorol^ | there is no character copy to them |
| 12:06.10 | Legorol^ | no level 60s |
| 12:06.14 | Legorol^ | and the WSG contest realm is capped at lvl 19 |
| 12:06.33 | Legorol^ | 2 hours after the start of this fresh server, /who showed a l25 char |
| 12:06.49 | Legorol^ | btw, about the link-spoofing fix in 1.10: |
| 12:06.58 | Legorol^ | this is one thing i didn't manage to check yet, can anyone confirm: |
| 12:07.07 | Legorol^ | on localized clients (e.g. german client playing on english server), |
| 12:07.19 | Legorol^ | what happens if you send a link with proper item id, and german name? |
| 12:07.31 | Legorol^ | i know it was fine in 1.9... but what about 1.10? |
| 12:09.38 | Maldivia | good question... but I think all localized versions of the item name is valid, no matter which client/server |
| 12:10.32 | Maldivia | it's the server that does the validation, and the servers are all multi-lingual |
| 12:11.13 | krka|work | so... what makes it impossible to be level 25 in two hours? : |
| 12:12.07 | Maldivia | well, it requires some serious bad ass grinding... |
| 12:12.58 | Legorol^ | krka: first of all, i don't think you can make l25 in two hours.. if you could, that's very very very impressive |
| 12:13.03 | Legorol^ | but the bigger problem is the level cap of 19 |
| 12:13.13 | Legorol^ | you need GM powers to surpass that ;-) |
| 12:13.53 | Maldivia | lvl 25 in 2 hours... I'd say impossible by "legal" means... |
| 12:13.58 | Legorol^ | yah |
| 12:14.26 | krka|work | hmm... what if 100 players started at the same time, and 99 of them tried to boost one of them? |
| 12:14.32 | Legorol^ | you'd have to be pretty dumb to hack on a fresh server that blizz is monitoring closely.. |
| 12:14.41 | Legorol^ | and stand out like a sore thumb within 2 hours of server launch |
| 12:14.47 | Maldivia | krka: still not enough mobs :9 |
| 12:14.57 | Legorol^ | you just can't kill fast enough, i don't think |
| 12:15.01 | krka|work | you go and beat down higher level mobs |
| 12:15.04 | Legorol^ | and the "boosters" stop being able to help you when you outlevel them |
| 12:15.25 | krka|work | ok... how about if you do it in a tree-like system |
| 12:15.37 | krka|work | 4 level 1 boosters boost one guy |
| 12:15.40 | Legorol^ | that might work, but getting it organised and going in 2 hours? |
| 12:15.46 | krka|work | then you have a lot of those groups |
| 12:15.58 | krka|work | then the boosted become the boosters |
| 12:16.02 | Wobin_ | pyramid scheme? |
| 12:16.05 | krka|work | yeah |
| 12:16.08 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 12:16.10 | Legorol^ | possible as a system, would even work quite well, still think that geting to 25 in 2 hours is impossible, even with that |
| 12:16.16 | Legorol^ | ah no hold on |
| 12:16.18 | Wobin_ | Would you like to sell Avon products for me, Krka? |
| 12:16.21 | Legorol^ | you forget that whoever is boosting doesn't get xp |
| 12:16.29 | Legorol^ | only the boosted |
| 12:16.31 | krka|work | no i didn't |
| 12:16.35 | krka|work | yes, that's the point |
| 12:16.48 | Legorol^ | then the person at the top of the tree, |
| 12:16.52 | Legorol^ | how do they keep underlings? |
| 12:16.55 | Maldivia | still in a pyramid example - they would compete over the same mobs... |
| 12:17.02 | krka|work | i'll try to be more clear |
| 12:17.09 | krka|work | for a two level version: |
| 12:17.13 | krka|work | you have 25 players |
| 12:17.16 | Legorol^ | the problem is that for a lvl 25 to have boosters, they need to be say lvl 20 |
| 12:17.20 | krka|work | divided into 5 player groups |
| 12:17.22 | Legorol^ | so you have to level people to 20 |
| 12:17.25 | krka|work | 4 players boost 1 player |
| 12:17.35 | krka|work | so you have 5 level 2, and 20 level 1 after boost |
| 12:17.36 | Legorol^ | oh i see |
| 12:17.42 | krka|work | then 4 level 2 boost 1 level 2 |
| 12:17.48 | Legorol^ | you do it in parallel, hm, i see |
| 12:17.51 | krka|work | so you get 1 level 3, 4 level 2, 20 level 1 |
| 12:18.02 | Legorol^ | like a tree-style tournament, but with all matches always played in parallel |
| 12:18.06 | krka|work | yes |
| 12:18.08 | Legorol^ | i mean elimination style |
| 12:18.14 | Wobin_ | The only problem is needing an exponential amount of people more each 'boost' |
| 12:18.19 | krka|work | but of course, you boost more than 1 level per group |
| 12:18.26 | krka|work | yes |
| 12:18.32 | Maldivia | Ok, lets say you have 5 boosters, boosting another player... |
| 12:18.38 | Maldivia | lets take an example of level 20 |
| 12:18.41 | Wobin_ | Can they be boosted at the same time? |
| 12:18.44 | krka|work | well, those that are used up can go level up themselves to become boosters again later |
| 12:18.45 | krka|work | or something |
| 12:18.49 | Wobin_ | I can't see that happening |
| 12:18.52 | Legorol^ | let's say you can usefully boost a player that is at most 5 levels higher than you |
| 12:19.06 | Maldivia | level 20, requires 23200 xp... each level 20 mob gives 45 + 20*5 = 145 xp... that's 160 kills |
| 12:19.08 | Legorol^ | then to get 1 person to 25, you only need 5^5 people |
| 12:19.34 | Legorol^ | ehm.. .oops |
| 12:19.49 | Legorol^ | 5^4 |
| 12:19.58 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 12:20.02 | Legorol^ | or is it 5^5? |
| 12:20.06 | Legorol^ | either way, a lot of people |
| 12:20.16 | Wobin_ | You can't get on to boost for the queue =P |
| 12:20.20 | [MoonWolf] | ~ 5^5 |
| 12:20.23 | purl | 5^5 is probably 3125 |
| 12:20.25 | Legorol^ | there was no queue at server start |
| 12:20.31 | [MoonWolf] | ~ 5^4 |
| 12:20.33 | purl | 1 |
| 12:20.34 | Legorol^ | purl, you aren't very sure are you? |
| 12:20.37 | purl | Legorol^: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:20.37 | Legorol^ | ROFL |
| 12:20.38 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 12:20.40 | Maldivia | using 10 seconds to kill each mob... 160 mobs of 10 seconds, that's 1600 seconds, thats 26min 40sec |
| 12:20.42 | Wobin_ | rofl |
| 12:20.43 | krka|work | what? what was so funny? |
| 12:20.57 | Legorol^ | purl claimed that 5^4 = 1 |
| 12:21.04 | Maldivia | ~ 5**4 |
| 12:21.06 | purl | 625 |
| 12:21.06 | krka|work | hmm |
| 12:21.14 | krka|work | 101 ^ 100 = 1 |
| 12:21.15 | Maldivia | Know the syntax :) |
| 12:21.16 | futrtrubl | hmmmm, how do I setup WoW to use a proxy? |
| 12:21.16 | Legorol^ | ~ 5^5 |
| 12:21.18 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, 5^5 is 3125 |
| 12:21.25 | Legorol^ | ~ 5^4 |
| 12:21.27 | purl | 1 |
| 12:21.27 | krka|work | purl would be correct |
| 12:21.28 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 12:21.30 | Legorol^ | wth? |
| 12:21.33 | Legorol^ | purl is borked |
| 12:21.34 | krka|work | assuming 5^5 gives 0? |
| 12:21.44 | [MoonWolf] | 625 |
| 12:21.48 | Legorol^ | but purl claims 5^5 is 3125 |
| 12:21.49 | Wobin_ | fut it's not easy |
| 12:21.52 | krka|work | oh |
| 12:21.54 | Maldivia | ~ 5**5 |
| 12:21.56 | purl | 3125 |
| 12:21.56 | Legorol^ | and he says that 5^4 is 1 |
| 12:22.01 | Legorol^ | see: |
| 12:22.04 | Legorol^ | ~ 5^5 |
| 12:22.06 | purl | well, 5^5 is 3125 |
| 12:22.06 | Wobin_ | I'm currently using a socks server in Sydney to play WoW =P |
| 12:22.09 | Legorol^ | ~ 5^4 |
| 12:22.11 | purl | 1 |
| 12:22.11 | Wobin_ | with an SSH tunnel |
| 12:22.23 | [MoonWolf] | someone fucked with purl on 5^4 |
| 12:22.29 | Legorol^ | yah |
| 12:22.32 | krka|work | ~ 5^3 |
| 12:22.33 | purl | 6 |
| 12:22.35 | Legorol^ | futrtrubl: the only way is to use ssh tunnel |
| 12:22.40 | Legorol^ | WoW doesn't respect SOCKS |
| 12:22.41 | Wobin_ | ~ 5**4 |
| 12:22.42 | purl | 625 |
| 12:22.42 | Maldivia | no they didnt :) |
| 12:22.44 | Legorol^ | it goes around bare foot |
| 12:22.48 | [MoonWolf] | no purl 5^4 is 625 |
| 12:22.50 | Maldivia | ^ is xor |
| 12:22.55 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 12:23.01 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: is it? |
| 12:23.02 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 12:23.04 | krka|work | then why is 5^5 = 3125? |
| 12:23.05 | Wobin_ | purl no 5^4 is 625 |
| 12:23.06 | purl | okay, Wobin_ |
| 12:23.15 | Maldivia | ~forget 5^5 |
| 12:23.15 | purl | Maldivia: i forgot 5^5 |
| 12:23.19 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 12:23.22 | Maldivia | ~ 5^5 |
| 12:23.32 | Wobin_ | Cause purl isn't actually doing any math =P |
| 12:23.40 | krka|work | ah |
| 12:24.03 | [MoonWolf] | he can do math |
| 12:24.09 | Wobin_ | if we use the right syntax |
| 12:24.10 | krka|work | can't we just tell purl peanos axioms and let him deduce the rest? |
| 12:24.18 | Maldivia | Power is ** |
| 12:24.21 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 12:24.29 | futrtrubl | hmmm, how can I get the test interface files? |
| 12:24.32 | [MoonWolf] | i assumed ^ out of habit. |
| 12:24.38 | krka|work | purl ^ is ** |
| 12:24.39 | purl | ...but ^ is already something else... |
| 12:24.42 | Maldivia | futrtrubl: checked wdn ? |
| 12:24.45 | [MoonWolf] | krka|work, dont |
| 12:25.00 | [MoonWolf] | it wont work. |
| 12:25.01 | krka|work | purl ** is ^ |
| 12:25.02 | purl | ACTION sings with $who |
| 12:25.10 | Maldivia | futrtrubl: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 12:25.53 | Maldivia | uhh... Minigames! |
| 12:25.58 | Wobin_ | ~ ^? |
| 12:25.59 | purl | hmm... ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it, or the XOR operator, or beginning of line in regex, or the 'search files in this dir for the following regexp' operator in zsh |
| 12:26.13 | Legorol^ | futrtrubl: the Blizz toolkit will extract the interface files |
| 12:26.19 | Legorol^ | for test too |
| 12:26.27 | Legorol^ | make a backup of your main WoW Interface folder, |
| 12:26.32 | Legorol^ | then delete it, then run the blizz toolkit |
| 12:26.46 | Legorol^ | it will extract Interface in your main WoW dir, and another Interface in yoru WoWtest dir |
| 12:26.52 | Maldivia | or use the 1.10 beta tester, it extracts to a seperate dir now |
| 12:27.00 | futrtrubl | problem is that with my network I can't get the test update |
| 12:27.07 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: i'm not sure the 1.10 beta kit extracts the test realm ones too |
| 12:27.09 | AnduinLothar | i take it none of you are powerlvling |
| 12:27.11 | Legorol^ | has anyone tried that? |
| 12:27.22 | Maldivia | futrtrubl: then hit the download button on wdn :) |
| 12:27.31 | futrtrubl | going there now |
| 12:27.34 | futrtrubl | things are slow |
| 12:27.41 | AnduinLothar | there was no queue |
| 12:28.26 | Maldivia | I don't even have WoW installed on the computer I'm at right now |
| 12:30.41 | clad|sleep | Legorol: The extraction kit grabbed both of them for me last time I ran it. |
| 12:32.56 | Legorol^ | clad|sleep: was that the 1.10 beta one? |
| 12:33.12 | Legorol^ | futrtrubl: i could send you the EU test interface.. |
| 12:33.21 | Legorol^ | very minor differences from US, only in Localization.lua |
| 12:33.41 | krka|work | AnduinLothar, care to share any insights on powerleveling? is lvl 25 in 2 hours possible? |
| 12:33.57 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: no i woudln't have enough time to get anywhere near the top on the powerlevelling contest |
| 12:34.07 | futrtrubl | hmmm, a user of my addon told me that Blizz was adding a reputation bar to optionally replace/go next to the xp bar. Was he talking out of his arse? |
| 12:34.09 | Legorol^ | i will be trying the lvl 19 WSG contest and the many lvl 25s though |
| 12:34.14 | Legorol^ | because i love the first 20 levels |
| 12:34.23 | Legorol^ | (and yes i suffer from chronic altitis, so it's perfect for me) |
| 12:34.41 | Legorol^ | futrtrubl: he wasn't |
| 12:34.43 | Legorol^ | read patch notes |
| 12:35.10 | Legorol^ | according to that, you can pick a faction in the rep window, and the rep you have with that one is displayed next to or instead of (your choice) of the xp bar |
| 12:35.16 | AnduinLothar | i got to lvl 7 on a pally in 2hrs |
| 12:35.22 | Legorol^ | recommended next to is for <lvl 60, instead of is for l60s |
| 12:35.28 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: that sounds about right |
| 12:35.44 | Legorol^ | i saw a l 25 on the WSG server 2 hours after the realm started fresh |
| 12:35.49 | Legorol^ | and that's with a l19 level cap |
| 12:36.00 | futrtrubl | hmmmm, then where'd they hide the new code..... |
| 12:36.05 | Legorol^ | so we were musing if that was possible, but i think it's physically impossible |
| 12:36.27 | AnduinLothar | there was a gm or qa guy lvl 52 on the pwr level server. I have a lvl 60 i created a few days ago, but aren't suppossed to use him |
| 12:37.04 | namxo | :) |
| 12:37.10 | Legorol^ | which was my guess too |
| 12:37.16 | Legorol^ | a GM or someone like that who forgot to go invisible |
| 12:38.00 | Josh|Away | oh my, talking |
| 12:43.28 | AnduinLothar | ya, level contect ptr has no queue. So now's a good time if you've been wanting to test things |
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| 13:40.31 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.printmojo.com/Disordertees <- cool shirts |
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| 13:41.11 | krka|work | gah, stupid motorola phone |
| 13:41.30 | krka|work | it crashes retardedly on a program that works perfectly on all other phones |
| 13:41.54 | krka|work | mobile phone development is a real pain, stay out of it if you can |
| 13:42.24 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 13:54.31 | Legorol^ | krka|work: i was thinking of moving into it :D |
| 13:55.01 | Legorol^ | my first useful project on a mobile phone was porting the Lua interpreter to the Symbian OS |
| 13:55.24 | Legorol^ | that was when i first found out that WoW will use Lua for the UI and wanted to play with it.. what better way to learn than to get it running on my Nokia 6600 :D |
| 14:04.25 | Maldivia | the problem with getting used to writing lua, is you start hating all the other languages, for not supporting multiple return values... |
| 14:05.47 | Wobin_ | hehe too true |
| 14:05.54 | Wobin_ | tuple DAMNIT |
| 14:09.02 | krka|work | .... Nokia 6600 ... *shiver* |
| 14:09.12 | krka|work | that is most likely the worst possible phone to develop for |
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| 14:18.16 | MentalPower | server patch today, nice |
| 14:23.52 | Legorol^ | MP, are you not in EU? |
| 14:23.53 | namxo | ? :) |
| 14:24.22 | Legorol^ | beeeh |
| 14:24.35 | Legorol^ | in EU, the PTRs have daily maintenance from 14:00 to 20:00 |
| 14:24.49 | Legorol^ | that's the problem with having the PTRs physically in the US :*( |
| 14:25.06 | namxo | really the patch 1.10 come today ? |
| 14:25.09 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone have a link for the 1.9.4 to 0.10.0 US patch ? |
| 14:25.26 | Maldivia | namxo: no |
| 14:25.57 | Legorol^ | namxo: Nooooooooo |
| 14:26.02 | namxo | ok |
| 14:26.02 | Legorol^ | they have just launched the contests |
| 14:26.04 | Legorol^ | which go on for weeks |
| 14:26.15 | Legorol^ | 1.10 can't hit live before they finish the contests |
| 14:26.25 | Legorol^ | me thinks so at least |
| 14:26.57 | Maldivia | well, I'm counting on 2 weeks of test, if not 3 |
| 14:27.00 | futrtrubl | me agrees so |
| 14:27.20 | futrtrubl | 1.10 is too huge for a short test |
| 14:27.24 | Legorol^ | btw, in US, do you guys get to copy pre-made chars, or do you copy your own? |
| 14:27.28 | JoshBorke | i say 20 days of testing+2 weeks |
| 14:27.29 | namxo | it will be good, the ptr will be empty :D |
| 14:27.32 | JoshBorke | pre-made |
| 14:27.34 | Legorol^ | actually, what's so big about 1.10? |
| 14:27.38 | Legorol^ | i don't see significant new content.. |
| 14:27.49 | Maldivia | they have to play-test the priest talents |
| 14:27.50 | namxo | i've pronostic the patch 1.10 for the 27 mars since many month |
| 14:27.51 | namxo | :) |
| 14:27.52 | Legorol^ | do clue me up please of course |
| 14:28.08 | Maldivia | also, the significant UI changes... |
| 14:28.16 | Legorol^ | that's just from coding point of view.. |
| 14:28.26 | Legorol^ | the changes to the API seem big to us, but not to the enduser |
| 14:28.32 | Maldivia | true |
| 14:28.46 | Maldivia | most likely, the UI changes are tested intenally |
| 14:28.57 | Legorol^ | from an enduser's point of view, i see: 1) weather effects 2) priest talents 3) high-level content for non-raiding 60s |
| 14:29.00 | Legorol^ | is there anything else? |
| 14:29.16 | Legorol^ | as a non-priest non-60 player, only thing in this patch for me seems to be weather effects |
| 14:29.21 | Legorol^ | now as a coder, it's very exciting of course.. |
| 14:29.29 | futrtrubl | very exciting ;'] |
| 14:29.51 | Legorol^ | i will be trying to see if it's possible to have privilege elevation exploits with UI code |
| 14:30.10 | Legorol^ | now that there seems to be different privilege levels between Blizz code and AddOn code |
| 14:30.38 | Legorol^ | seem like the way is paved for AddOn signing, and it's proceeding the way a lot of the discussion here has been like |
| 14:32.30 | Maldivia | yeah, I've been thinking about the same thing, since lua isn't really the strong security language.. |
| 14:32.42 | [MoonWolf] | So, what must one do to be a "Secure" addon. |
| 14:33.26 | Maldivia | I'm interested to know, how Blizzard determines if the code that is running is "secure" |
| 14:33.58 | ckknight | could be just a specific set of addons that are Secure |
| 14:34.04 | [MoonWolf] | if they even do so at this point even. |
| 14:34.08 | ckknight | such as the included ones that start with Blizzard_ |
| 14:34.12 | [MoonWolf] | or if the secure thingies are for something in the future. |
| 14:35.09 | Maldivia | well, as a part of the signing, they could give the addons levels of priviledges, such as movement command access etc, and for instance, FrameXML have all priviledges |
| 14:36.05 | Maldivia | but it still requires a lot of runtime testing, to see of the code is actually from a signed addon, due to the way lua handles functions etc |
| 14:38.38 | [MoonWolf] | i dont see the use... but hey blizzard can do what they want. |
| 14:41.25 | Maldivia | yeah |
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| 15:17.27 | Cairenn|afk | clad|sleep: You want it deleted, you go in and edit it yourself. I see no reason to delete it, so I won't. :p |
| 15:18.21 | [MoonWolf] | hey, you are not at your computer! |
| 15:18.32 | Cairenn|afk | you're right, I'm not |
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| 15:39.14 | Maldivia | hmm... does /cast UnknownSpell give an error in 1.9.4 ? |
| 15:40.08 | Maldivia | Ohh, CastSpellByName("spell") now gives an error, if you don't know the spell |
| 15:41.23 | Qzot | Hold on, Mald, I'll log on and check. |
| 15:41.37 | Qzot | Oh, yeah. My life is on hold because it's Tuesday morning. |
| 15:41.40 | Osagasu | Alright, I want this chestpiece to have my children: |
| 15:41.40 | Osagasu | [10:38] <Osagasu> I want this chestpiece to have my children: http://wow.al |
| 15:41.52 | Osagasu | wtf? |
| 15:41.56 | Osagasu | odd |
| 15:42.29 | Osagasu | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21680 |
| 15:42.34 | Osagasu | There's the chestpiece |
| 15:42.38 | Maldivia | Qzot: yeah, either it's a debug feature on test, or a change |
| 15:44.11 | Qzot | What was the old behavior. |
| 15:44.36 | Qzot | Osagasu: That vest will get moldy with the rain that's been added. |
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| 16:46.51 | L|Elviso | is it possible to do a script that interrupts a spellcast with /spellstopcasting |
| 16:47.01 | L|Elviso | but if there is no spell cast, to jump instead? |
| 16:47.07 | L|Elviso | will that work in 1.10? |
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| 16:52.14 | krka|work | SpellStopCasting is only allowed from keypress in 1.10 afaik |
| 17:17.32 | Ktron[zzz] | 1.10 isn't going live today, is it? |
| 17:21.43 | JoshBorke | Ktron: no |
| 17:21.49 | JoshBorke | Ktron: 20 more days left to the competitions |
| 17:22.59 | Ktron | 1.10 isn't coming out for another 3 weeks? |
| 17:23.08 | JoshBorke | nope |
| 17:23.13 | Ktron | That is sad |
| 17:23.19 | Legorol^ | well it just went live on PTR |
| 17:23.27 | Legorol^ | and PTRs usually last at least 2 weeks, usually more |
| 17:23.48 | JoshBorke | i assume they are doing competitions to get more players on the PTR |
| 17:24.09 | JoshBorke | but why are they doing the competitions that they are? seems kind of weird |
| 17:25.10 | Legorol^ | the competitions are to test new hardware in a new US data center |
| 17:25.21 | Legorol^ | the competition realms are separate from the regular test realms |
| 17:25.32 | Legorol^ | the competitions they are doing will put great load on the servers |
| 17:25.44 | Legorol^ | so it's perfect for testing new infrastructure and new data center |
| 17:25.47 | JoshBorke | i see |
| 17:26.14 | Legorol^ | they also said that if the new hardware fares well, they will consider going back and upgrading existing realms to the new hardware |
| 17:26.21 | JoshBorke | *drool* |
| 17:26.24 | Legorol^ | and certainly will use the new hardware in any new realms opened |
| 17:26.49 | Legorol^ | i'd imagine after the test realm contest, they will do a cost/benefit analysis |
| 17:27.00 | Legorol^ | if the performance increase is marginal, they won't bother upgrading the existing realms |
| 17:27.18 | Legorol^ | it's kinda like when a green item drops that gives you maybe +5 Ar and +1 in some stat |
| 17:27.25 | Legorol^ | compared to your existing gear |
| 17:27.32 | Legorol^ | then you are better off selling the loot on AH |
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| 17:27.51 | JoshBorke | hopefully blizz won't be selling the new hardware on the AH though :D |
| 17:27.54 | Legorol^ | conclusion: Blizz will sell their servers after the contest is over :D |
| 17:27.56 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 17:27.58 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 17:43.09 | Ktron | hm, any recommendations for a place to get domain name registration and web hosting? |
| 17:56.33 | Crispix | 3DPixel.net |
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| 17:59.31 | Ktron | Crispix; doesn't look like a host... |
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| 18:15.09 | Cairenn | boo |
| 18:16.26 | Shouryuu | Run away, run away! |
| 18:20.20 | Shouryuu | I think the "boo" part kinda ran my scare-o-meter off the charts |
| 18:32.38 | Beladona | sooooooo |
| 18:32.44 | Beladona | mini patch today? |
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| 18:32.56 | [MoonWolf] | 1.9.5 ? |
| 18:33.06 | ckknight | don't think so |
| 18:33.26 | Beladona | wow site is in lowbw mode |
| 18:33.30 | Beladona | why I asked |
| 18:33.54 | Cairenn | just checked, no mini |
| 18:34.15 | Beladona | just maintenance |
| 18:34.43 | Cairenn | aye |
| 18:34.56 | Beladona | I honestly don't even play |
| 18:35.02 | Beladona | or haven't in a little while |
| 18:35.45 | Cairenn | I've been playing a little bit again, lately |
| 18:35.55 | Cairenn | got your partner caught up to you on Draka |
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| 18:47.44 | Cairenn | man, do I ever feel for Woody |
| 18:47.53 | ckknight | ? |
| 18:48.08 | Kirkburn | That's ... interesting |
| 18:48.12 | Cairenn | http://www.gucomics.com/ |
| 18:48.38 | Cairenn | he lost everything ... bad enough when your hard drive fails. Infinitely worse when your backup is corrupted ... |
| 18:48.58 | Kirkburn | :S |
| 18:49.06 | Kirkburn | That's baad |
| 18:49.18 | Cairenn | yup |
| 18:50.58 | Beladona | Cair, we should plan a time and go play on Draka some time |
| 18:51.06 | Beladona | preferrably on a weekend 0.o |
| 18:51.09 | Cairenn | Beladona: sounds like a plan to me |
| 18:51.17 | Kirkburn | Y'know, I find it interesting that Furbolgs will be in the WoW Alliance Players Guide ;) |
| 18:51.40 | Cairenn | nice try Kirkburn, but I'm not telling you |
| 18:51.48 | Beladona | oh god don't let Furbolgs be the secret race |
| 18:51.53 | Kirkburn | I know :) It's still true tho |
| 18:52.04 | Beladona | oh you know Cair? |
| 18:52.07 | Beladona | grrr |
| 18:52.48 | Kirkburn | Does it have words, this tune? |
| 18:52.51 | Beladona | its something neat though right |
| 18:52.52 | [MoonWolf] | non disclosure agreements are evil |
| 18:52.55 | Beladona | thats all I wanna know |
| 18:53.33 | Kirkburn | (sorry for bringing it up again! *evil laugh*) |
| 18:53.43 | Cairenn | no you aren't |
| 18:53.49 | Beladona | I wish I had friends on the inside |
| 18:54.17 | Kirkburn | How's the new test realms? |
| 18:54.33 | [MoonWolf] | crowded |
| 18:54.40 | Beladona | I didn't evne get in |
| 18:54.43 | Beladona | even* |
| 18:54.44 | Kirkburn | Anyone here trying to win one? |
| 18:55.00 | Beladona | I can't test my new addons, cause the test copy wasn't working |
| 18:55.10 | Kirkburn | What about the new realms? |
| 18:55.20 | Beladona | you talking about the contest realms? |
| 18:55.24 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 18:55.29 | Beladona | they aren't open yet are they? |
| 18:55.58 | Kirkburn | Haven't the faintest |
| 18:56.34 | Beladona | I imagine that is part of teh maintenance still underwawy |
| 18:57.33 | Kirkburn | I'm a little confused by this - I can't work out which side is the 5140 notes and which is 5148 (new ptr build) http://www.gameaholic.com/wow/wow-patch-v1.10-0.10.0.5140-to-0.10.0.5148.html |
| 18:58.41 | Beladona | hmm |
| 18:58.52 | Beladona | I would imagine right side is 5148 |
| 18:59.26 | Kirkburn | Yeah ... seems a lot got missed out of the 5140 notes |
| 18:59.39 | Beladona | why do you say that |
| 18:59.42 | Kirkburn | (stuff that was in the official patch notes, too) |
| 18:59.52 | Kirkburn | Look at the amount of red stuff, I recognise most of it |
| 18:59.57 | Beladona | right |
| 19:00.05 | Beladona | that stuff should be new in 5148 |
| 19:00.38 | Kirkburn | I suppose :) |
| 19:00.51 | Kirkburn | Although, all the UI changes are in red |
| 19:03.20 | Beladona | it is accurate |
| 19:03.25 | Beladona | just checked it on wdn |
| 19:03.35 | Beladona | the UI section was small in 5140 |
| 19:04.07 | Kirkburn | Strange that ... nice to see new stuff anyway |
| 19:04.34 | Kirkburn | What I'm hearing about the new weather system constantly surprises me, it just gets better and better |
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| 19:04.45 | Beladona | did you see the change they made to the blizz files? |
| 19:04.51 | Kirkburn | Tic Tac Toe? |
| 19:05.13 | Kirkburn | or something else ...? |
| 19:05.15 | Beladona | no |
| 19:05.18 | Beladona | they moved them |
| 19:05.23 | Beladona | they aren't overridable now |
| 19:05.34 | Kirkburn | Which files? |
| 19:05.51 | Beladona | Blizzard_* addons, FrameXML stuff |
| 19:06.39 | Kirkburn | Didn't realise they'd moved them ... makes sense as a method of preventing the overrides |
| 19:07.22 | Beladona | well not sur eon the move part |
| 19:07.34 | Beladona | but they definitely locked them down |
| 19:08.00 | Kirkburn | I'm just glad they didn't break CF completely :) |
| 19:08.21 | Beladona | I like the new ui kit |
| 19:08.30 | Beladona | could care less about the tutorial |
| 19:08.39 | Ktron[afk] | There's a new UI kit? |
| 19:08.43 | Kirkburn | There's a new version, or still the old beta? |
| 19:08.44 | Beladona | but it creates a custom folder for the stuff it extracts |
| 19:08.51 | Beladona | instead of dumping it into the interface folder |
| 19:08.53 | Cairenn | Ktron[afk]: it was a beta |
| 19:08.57 | Cairenn | it isn't live yet |
| 19:08.57 | Beladona | beta |
| 19:08.59 | Beladona | but still |
| 19:09.20 | Cairenn | you'll have to go searching to find the thread with the link, it's been un-stuck |
| 19:09.21 | Kirkburn | Yeah, putting it in the other folder makes much more sense |
| 19:09.52 | Kirkburn | I had to delete CF each time before it would let me see any updates to the fonts.xml file bfore |
| 19:10.02 | Kirkburn | (of course, that was before I found wdn) |
| 19:11.01 | Beladona | =) |
| 19:11.16 | Kirkburn | Btw, the cast cancelling shadowmeld/stealth 'bug' has been confirmed as intentional |
| 19:11.34 | Ktron[afk] | what was the change? |
| 19:11.50 | Kirkburn | Can't cast spells with cast times in shadowmeld/stealth |
| 19:12.05 | Kirkburn | It breaks your shadowmeld/stealth when you try to cast |
| 19:12.26 | Kirkburn | i.e. you can't stealth and HS, or shadowmeld-aimed shot |
| 19:12.39 | Kirkburn | (er, possibly on the last one, don't play hunter) |
| 19:13.15 | Beladona | I like that |
| 19:13.26 | Beladona | but then I dont play those classes |
| 19:13.42 | Kirkburn | heh ... well it's a bit unfair if you can't see someone casting a massive dmg spell at you |
| 19:13.53 | Kirkburn | If mages still had their invis .... |
| 19:14.22 | Beladona | hehe: something of note for Guillotine |
| 19:14.25 | Beladona | Trying to spoof item links will disconnect you. |
| 19:14.26 | Ktron[afk] | that's quite the change |
| 19:14.31 | Beladona | on the new test notes |
| 19:14.37 | Kirkburn | If you look at it this way ... this paves the way for mage invis to return |
| 19:14.39 | Ktron[afk] | I'm glad though, I don't play classes that will benefit from that much |
| 19:15.10 | Shadowd | I could understand why they removed that from Shadowmeld but not Stealth really |
| 19:15.22 | Beladona | why |
| 19:15.30 | Beladona | any action taken should negate any stealth you gain |
| 19:15.34 | Kirkburn | Possibly use the same code |
| 19:15.42 | Shadowd | Because Rogue's have no moves like Aimed Shot |
| 19:15.51 | Beladona | if you were hiding somewhere, and then threw a knife at me, wouldn't I know where you were? |
| 19:16.01 | Kirkburn | They can't apply poisions in stealth tho now |
| 19:16.09 | Ktron[afk] | the only set backs for rogues are things like hearthstones |
| 19:16.26 | Shadowd | If a Rogue's using throwing knives at 60 they should be slapped :p |
| 19:16.26 | Ktron[afk] | poisons still break at the end though |
| 19:16.33 | Beladona | you know what I mean |
| 19:16.43 | Ktron[afk] | shadowmeld makes a big different |
| 19:16.45 | Ktron[afk] | *difference |
| 19:16.52 | Beladona | it only makes sense that stealth should drop when you do something other than walk around, etc... |
| 19:16.54 | Ktron[afk] | rogues... I can't think of much change to rogues |
| 19:16.55 | Kirkburn | Nerf Night Elves! muhahaa |
| 19:17.03 | ckknight | nerf Alliance |
| 19:17.11 | Shadowd | No it's not going to effect it a whole lot, it's mostly just annoying |
| 19:17.12 | Ktron[afk] | heh, yeah, nerf night elves ;) |
| 19:17.23 | Ktron[afk] | It'll affect night elf strategies a good bit |
| 19:17.37 | Kirkburn | You'll see them around a bit more |
| 19:17.40 | Cairenn | Ktron[afk]: I just looked back through, seems like the thread with the beta link has fallen off |
| 19:17.48 | Kirkburn | (i.e. every single person you see will be a NE) |
| 19:18.26 | Ktron[afk] | Cairenn; ah well, thanks Cairenn anyway... Can I ask you a non-wow question real quick? Do you use a provider for webhosting for wowi and domain, or? |
| 19:18.35 | Kirkburn | Or on the flip-side, perhaps well get a bit more balance on the races now |
| 19:18.56 | Cairenn | Ktron[afk]: you'd need to talk to Dolby about that |
| 19:19.10 | Ktron[afk] | Cairenn; I'm looking at getting a domain and host, and I was just looking for suggestions |
| 19:19.39 | Ktron[afk] | Cairenn; thanks |
| 19:20.13 | Gryphen | godaddy is an ok place for domains, think they have hosting packages too |
| 19:20.59 | Cairenn | Ktron[afk]: aye, I used Godaddy to get my domain name and domainbyproxy I think was the name, to keep my info private |
| 19:21.01 | Gryphen | what kind of resources are you looking for? |
| 19:21.30 | Gryphen | simple site or full box? |
| 19:22.12 | Cairenn | we just use some space on our servers for our personal sites |
| 19:22.37 | Cairenn | right now all our personal sites are on the same servers as EQI & EQ2I |
| 19:23.12 | Kirkburn | Cairenn: just uploaded a new CF beta |
| 19:23.23 | Shouryuu | CF? |
| 19:23.53 | JoshBorke | clearfont? |
| 19:23.53 | Kirkburn | ClearFont |
| 19:23.54 | Ktron[afk] | Hosting, domain registration... It'd be nice to be able to be able to install my own software or have software installed for me, prefereably linux... at least perl, php, and mysql |
| 19:23.57 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: approved |
| 19:24.00 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 19:24.20 | Legorol | woot, go go contests |
| 19:24.26 | Cairenn | domain I'd really recommend GoDaddy |
| 19:24.28 | Ktron[afk] | So... I think I'm looking for virtual dedicated server stuff |
| 19:24.29 | Legorol | time to get a lvl 19 pali! |
| 19:24.47 | Cairenn | that's what we use for all our sites, for domain name registration |
| 19:24.57 | Ktron[afk] | I'll keep that in mind |
| 19:25.01 | Gryphen | i rent my boxes from ev1servers |
| 19:25.15 | Ktron[afk] | Its just, I know I can find sites I can register with and get free hosting too, and I wasn't sure if it would ever be worth it |
| 19:25.33 | Gryphen | it would be a good start |
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| 19:27.59 | Cairenn | hey Tem |
| 19:28.03 | Tem | hey cairenn |
| 19:29.48 | Eraphine|Lab | How are they breaking decursive? |
| 19:30.02 | Kirkburn | Can't hook movement stuff |
| 19:30.12 | ckknight | I hate that |
| 19:30.14 | Eraphine|Lab | Don't need hook movement to spam a button. |
| 19:30.15 | ckknight | I want my AutoBuff |
| 19:30.23 | Kirkburn | Haven't they already half broken it with the mana cost increases? |
| 19:30.44 | Kirkburn | That may be so, but afaik that's why it isn't working atm |
| 19:30.51 | Eraphine|Lab | decursive works. |
| 19:30.52 | Eraphine|Lab | right now |
| 19:31.03 | Kirkburn | Well then I'm confused |
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| 19:31.13 | Eraphine|Lab | I heard they were breaking decursive in 1.10 |
| 19:31.22 | Kirkburn | From whom? |
| 19:31.26 | Eraphine|Lab | and when I say I heard I'm completely unjustified. |
| 19:31.27 | Ktron[afk] | not from Blizzard |
| 19:31.30 | Eraphine|Lab | ah ok. |
| 19:31.37 | Ktron[afk] | Blizzard has still yet to say anything about decursive I don't htink |
| 19:31.47 | ckknight | it's not broken, as it still takes a hardware event |
| 19:32.06 | Kirkburn | It'll be pretty hard to disable anyway, given that it'd have to break lots of other stuff |
| 19:32.18 | Eraphine|Lab | I want the good ole days of autotravel back. |
| 19:32.30 | Eraphine|Lab | autotravel was such a great addon. |
| 19:32.34 | Shouryuu | arghhh auto-travel |
| 19:32.43 | Kirkburn | You're just lazy |
| 19:32.46 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 19:32.51 | Shouryuu | just hit auto run... |
| 19:32.54 | Eraphine|Lab | ha |
| 19:32.56 | Cairenn | crymoren00b :p |
| 19:33.00 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:33.03 | Eraphine|Lab | autorun won't get me from ashenvale to wsg |
| 19:33.08 | Eraphine|Lab | autotravel did :) perfectly |
| 19:33.18 | Kirkburn | As it would with lots of bots |
| 19:33.36 | Shouryuu | I don't mind people wanting auto-travel back because they're lazy |
| 19:33.40 | Eraphine|Lab | I don't think I've even see a bot. |
| 19:33.54 | Kirkburn | It not as if it looks like a little robot |
| 19:34.07 | Shouryuu | the "Don't break auto-travel because it allows me to go to eat once in a while" were just sad |
| 19:34.08 | Eraphine|Lab | No..but I'd think a bot would be fairly easy to spot. |
| 19:34.22 | Kirkburn | Low level chars in very strange places? Unresponsive beggars? |
| 19:34.25 | Eraphine|Lab | Dude, autotravel was just convienent. |
| 19:34.33 | Shouryuu | yeah I ahree |
| 19:34.33 | Kirkburn | It also allowed bots. |
| 19:34.39 | Shouryuu | taht too |
| 19:34.39 | Eraphine|Lab | bots to do what? |
| 19:34.49 | Eraphine|Lab | to move aorund the world? |
| 19:34.49 | Kirkburn | Run all over the damn continent, yes |
| 19:34.53 | Eraphine|Lab | and... this hurts us how? |
| 19:35.08 | Kirkburn | It doesn't hurt you, but it means people can script things to work unaided |
| 19:35.22 | Eraphine|Lab | Like.. being able to queue travel flights? |
| 19:35.27 | Eraphine|Lab | oh wait! |
| 19:35.36 | Eraphine|Lab | See what I mean? |
| 19:35.44 | Shadowd | But that can't be changed into a bot at all, and it's using flight paths that Blizzard created |
| 19:36.10 | Shouryuu | and a combination of auto-travel and a "twinked" version cast away was close to bot like... Just mash one button and voila |
| 19:36.12 | ckknight | bots that can walk means bots that can move to beasts and attack them |
| 19:37.16 | Shouryuu | so it was either the ability to much via the API which had to go, or the ability to attack via the API... |
| 19:37.16 | Eraphine|Lab | move to beasts... |
| 19:37.16 | Eraphine|Lab | gosh |
| 19:37.16 | Kirkburn | The flight system doesn't allow you to do that, and allowing you to 'queue' flights is a very restricted method of moving around |
| 19:37.16 | Eraphine|Lab | how inefficient would that be. |
| 19:37.16 | Kirkburn | Imagine a room full of computers |
| 19:37.16 | Eraphine|Lab | walk around randomly until somthing agros you |
| 19:37.17 | Shouryuu | better than not playing |
| 19:37.21 | Eraphine|Lab | turnleft() until you can attack |
| 19:37.22 | Beladona | RF Online is pretty neat when it comes to that stuff. THey ALLOW you to stay online while afk |
| 19:37.24 | Kirkburn | One person could control them all |
| 19:37.40 | Beladona | they have this whole zone meant for mining |
| 19:37.55 | Beladona | and you set your char mining afk, and you cna leave it all night, or while at work |
| 19:38.00 | Eraphine|Lab | I don't think the blizzard servers can handle non-idling clients. |
| 19:38.01 | Beladona | and make money |
| 19:38.11 | Beladona | no they can't |
| 19:38.19 | Kirkburn | Cos too many people want to play |
| 19:38.33 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't want my spot taken up by someone who's afk |
| 19:38.34 | Eraphine|Lab | I see that as one of the predominant problems with the wow universe |
| 19:38.35 | Shadowd | How would that work out? Seems like it would make the value of ore and such a lot lower then it is when you do it yourself |
| 19:38.36 | Beladona | as much as I love Blizz, their client isn't low profile enough |
| 19:38.46 | Beladona | bandwidth-wize |
| 19:38.57 | Eraphine|Lab | if a server gets overloaded the only solution they have is to upgrade the hardware (rarely) or split it (often) |
| 19:39.11 | Kirkburn | Well they're upgrading it now :) |
| 19:39.20 | Eraphine|Lab | I'm not sure that's going to help a whole lot |
| 19:39.25 | Kirkburn | huh? |
| 19:39.32 | Beladona | Guild Wars has probably the most revolutionary system I have ever seen |
| 19:39.42 | Beladona | from that standpoint |
| 19:39.53 | Kirkburn | Lots of instanced stuff, if I remember rightly? |
| 19:39.55 | Shadowd | The hardware seemed to have been doing a pretty good job so far on the Test US server |
| 19:39.59 | Beladona | more than that |
| 19:40.10 | Eraphine|Lab | there's a consistent 5000 member queue |
| 19:40.11 | Beladona | its a mixture of server based and client based coding |
| 19:40.22 | Kirkburn | I remember reading about how it works ... can't explain it, but it was certainly cool |
| 19:40.23 | Beladona | lets put it this way |
| 19:40.26 | Eraphine|Lab | how many members would you say are logged into the test server at once? |
| 19:40.26 | Beladona | when you log into Guild Wars |
| 19:40.30 | Beladona | everyone is on one server |
| 19:40.42 | Beladona | not physically, just virtually |
| 19:40.51 | Shadowd | We have no way of knowing that Eraphine |
| 19:40.51 | Kirkburn | Eraphine|Lab, no-one knows, but probably masses. |
| 19:41.20 | Shadowd | But considering it has stuff like 7-10 WSG, 4-5 AB, 1-3 AV's up even at 3 AM it's safe to say a lot |
| 19:41.21 | Kirkburn | One server to the near two hundred normal ones. And you complain about a 5000 queue |
| 19:41.39 | Shouryuu | they said the queue size was due to them decreasing the number of playes aloowed so they could test their hardware |
| 19:41.52 | Kirkburn | Beladona : yeah, that's pretty damn cool |
| 19:41.54 | Beladona | I am fairly sure GW uses some kind of server clustering system to manage instances across multiple server, but seen as one |
| 19:42.13 | Shadowd | I don't really see them removing the queue any time soon to prevent a server from crashing if it gets a surge of people playing |
| 19:42.23 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 19:42.34 | Beladona | no the game is way too popular |
| 19:42.40 | Beladona | and with the expansion coming |
| 19:42.49 | Beladona | expect the queues to rise |
| 19:42.49 | Kirkburn | Stupid lilo, she described my model, even though they're ALL white |
| 19:42.50 | Shadowd | Just better hardware to handle the amount of people playing, and to prevent the server from becoming unstable |
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| 19:43.40 | JoshBorke | i hope blizzard isn't just using one massive machine to handle instances :-/ |
| 19:43.58 | Kirkburn | Read this: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-realm-test/154211.htm |
| 19:44.06 | Kirkburn | Here's why there's such a queue |
| 19:44.44 | Shadowd | If they are, WSG, AB and AV on the test server are doing pretty well :p |
| 19:44.50 | Beladona | lilo needs his scrotum removed |
| 19:45.06 | Kirkburn | I want his counterpart, stitch. |
| 19:45.15 | Kirkburn | At least stitch is cool |
| 19:45.52 | ckknight | linux loader? |
| 19:45.56 | Kirkburn | If you haven't read the link, togerclaw says: If I was running the test realm to test new hardware and setting the login cap etc, I would start out at a normal number for the cap, and then raise it periodically once I had good data in hand about CPU / database usage, rather than shoot for the moon on the first day and possibly run into overloads in gameplay. |
| 19:46.05 | Kirkburn | s/oger/iger/ |
| 19:46.39 | Beladona | yeah that should have been a given |
| 19:46.45 | Beladona | but few people get that |
| 19:47.08 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:47.57 | Beladona | hey |
| 19:48.02 | Kirkburn | Hey waitasec, did you notice he said " I would start out at a normal number for the cap" |
| 19:48.03 | Beladona | they have Iriel in the interface |
| 19:48.07 | Beladona | did you knwo that? |
| 19:48.10 | Beladona | know* |
| 19:48.23 | Kirkburn | i.e. the caps will be higher than before :D |
| 19:48.24 | Kirkburn | How so? |
| 19:48.32 | Beladona | TaxiFrame.lua line 142 |
| 19:48.39 | Beladona | -- The following function is used with permission from Daniel Stephens <iriel@vigilance-committee.org> |
| 19:48.45 | Tain | Very nice. |
| 19:48.48 | Cairenn | nice |
| 19:48.54 | Beladona | its for the line drawing |
| 19:48.57 | Beladona | in the taxi frame |
| 19:49.18 | Kirkburn | cool |
| 19:49.48 | Tain | I wonder if we'll see others like that. "The following function is used to stop xxxx from bitching so much on the forums." |
| 19:50.05 | [MoonWolf] | i wish |
| 19:50.07 | Beladona | HAHA |
| 19:50.11 | Kirkburn | Reminds me of the windows 2000 source code |
| 19:50.26 | Beladona | Iriel's line drawing functions were pretty original and useful, so I am not surprised |
| 19:50.36 | Beladona | there isn't really much out there that I would consider that fundamental |
| 19:50.48 | Beladona | but ya never know what else they will "assimilate" in the future |
| 19:51.08 | Beladona | too bad they didn't make a global function based on it |
| 19:51.15 | Cairenn | yeah, well, we all know that Iriel freaking rocks |
| 19:51.45 | Tain | Even if I still have to do a manual override in my head that Iriel is not female every time I see the nick. |
| 19:51.46 | Beladona | I found it on accident |
| 19:51.54 | Kirkburn | Tain : I know what you mean |
| 19:51.59 | Beladona | because TaxiFrame is the only file that changed in 5148 |
| 19:52.05 | Kirkburn | Who knows what else if is there |
| 19:52.15 | Tain | Start searching on people's names and see. :) |
| 19:52.27 | Beladona | just search for the word permission |
| 19:52.27 | Kirkburn | Such as the new auction bid limit :( "MAXIMUM_BID_PRICE = 2000000000" Damn, and I wanted to bid more! |
| 19:52.41 | [MoonWolf] | is that in copper? |
| 19:52.49 | Tain | There is still some funny stuff in the code in different places. |
| 19:52.56 | Kirkburn | Most likely Moon |
| 19:52.56 | Tain | Comments like, -- Whaaa??? |
| 19:53.04 | [MoonWolf] | they should implement a mithir coin set |
| 19:53.17 | [MoonWolf] | so we can get rid of the 1000 gold items |
| 19:53.19 | Beladona | mithir? |
| 19:53.25 | Kirkburn | Mithril? |
| 19:53.26 | JoshBorke | maybe mithril? |
| 19:53.26 | [MoonWolf] | mithril |
| 19:53.33 | [MoonWolf] | or arcanite if you want. |
| 19:53.34 | JoshBorke | why not skip to thorium? |
| 19:53.36 | Beladona | I know, just wanted to harp on ya |
| 19:53.38 | Kirkburn | Dark Iron |
| 19:53.59 | Beladona | copper, silver, gold, toe nails |
| 19:53.59 | JoshBorke | IRON! |
| 19:54.03 | Beladona | oh |
| 19:54.04 | Tain | Just start using Gnomes as currency. |
| 19:54.08 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 19:54.11 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 19:54.11 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 19:54.14 | Kirkburn | Well what is actualyl worth 1000g? |
| 19:54.17 | Codayus | maybe iron coins? after all, an iron bar is worth more than a gold one |
| 19:54.20 | [MoonWolf] | wts [epic item] 3 gnomes |
| 19:54.21 | Shadowd | That would rule Gnome's out |
| 19:54.27 | Beladona | a gnome burger |
| 19:54.31 | Codayus | doh,lag |
| 19:54.35 | Tain | Things sell for 1000g on the AH. |
| 19:54.40 | Tain | Not sure if there's any search by price. |
| 19:54.42 | Shadowd | Foror's! |
| 19:54.47 | Beladona | well EQ had platinum |
| 19:54.58 | Beladona | I would imagine wow would use arcanite or something equally as valuable |
| 19:54.59 | Tain | I think the most I ever bought something for was mmm 750g or so. |
| 19:55.05 | Codayus | and yes, plenty of stuff is worth 4 digits. |
| 19:55.12 | Kirkburn | And a thumb? |
| 19:55.29 | Codayus | hmm, how about we use SoJ? After all, it's traditional in Bliz games... |
| 19:55.45 | Tain | Nerf SoJ! |
| 19:55.46 | ckknight | just D2 |
| 19:55.48 | Beladona | arcanite coins of course. Otherwise alchemits could make 1000g every few days |
| 19:55.52 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:55.58 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:56.19 | Shadowd | Yeah, probably the most I've spent is around 350g for Libram of Protection. Unless you want to count stuff like all the arcanite bar's as one. |
| 19:57.00 | Codayus | what would an elementiumcoin be worth? :-) |
| 19:57.01 | Tain | I got into an argument with a fellow alchemist trying ot help him. He was offering to make arcanite bars for some price higher than the bars themselves sell for on the AH. |
| 19:57.14 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:57.25 | Codayus | lol |
| 19:57.38 | Tain | And so I sent him a tell just letting him know he could see them there for sale. He got very belligerent. |
| 19:57.57 | Kirkburn | Why is it that a wildheart belt only sells for 20g, whilst a Dreadmist is 60g :s So unfair ... |
| 19:57.59 | Tain | I was just trying to be helpful. :( |
| 19:58.30 | Codayus | supply, demand... |
| 19:58.53 | Tain | Plus everyone hates... wait what class is wildheart for? |
| 19:58.58 | JoshBorke | drood |
| 19:59.04 | Tain | Yeah everyone hates Druids. |
| 19:59.14 | JoshBorke | but everyone hates paladins tooo |
| 19:59.30 | Beladona | everyone hates in general |
| 19:59.42 | Beladona | equal opportunity haters and all |
| 19:59.49 | Tain | Paladins are in a good spot right now in my opinion. They got the backlash early on of being overpowered, and then got to ride the backlash back against the backlash. |
| 20:00.07 | Kirkburn | Frontlash? |
| 20:00.26 | Tain | But they still have the vast majority of what made them strong in the first place, and they get sympathy from people because they were targetted so much. |
| 20:00.32 | Kirkburn | Who can tell me what a Mok'nathal is, for cookies? |
| 20:00.43 | Tain | Is a Mok'natal a cookie? |
| 20:00.47 | Codayus | wait...I know that |
| 20:00.50 | JoshBorke | ooo |
| 20:00.54 | Codayus | ah, right, I remember. |
| 20:00.58 | JoshBorke | i just saw the page load information! |
| 20:01.01 | Kirkburn | aaand? |
| 20:01.01 | JoshBorke | on wowinterface |
| 20:01.07 | Codayus | I know! I know! |
| 20:01.10 | JoshBorke | that's pretty cool! |
| 20:01.28 | Cairenn | mrh? |
| 20:01.45 | Kirkburn | JoshBorke .... what? |
| 20:01.47 | JoshBorke | Page generated in 0.07948399 seconds (87.54% PHP - 12.46% MySQL) with 19 queries |
| 20:01.52 | Shadowd | Kirkburn: Beastmasters? |
| 20:02.06 | Kirkburn | Shadowd, yes many are, but not restricted to |
| 20:02.16 | Codayus | Mok'nathal' = Rexar. Ogre/orc cross, if memory serves. |
| 20:02.20 | Codayus | er....rexxar |
| 20:02.30 | Kirkburn | Codayus wins! |
| 20:02.36 | ckknight | they'd be like mules, though |
| 20:02.39 | ckknight | couldn't have kids |
| 20:02.51 | Kirkburn | And orcs + ogres can? |
| 20:03.18 | Kirkburn | What about a Mok'ooman? |
| 20:03.21 | ckknight | sextastic |
| 20:03.56 | ckknight | half-human, half-ogre |
| 20:04.05 | Kirkburn | Due to the proximety of ogre tribes near human settlements, some ogres have taken to breeding with humans (most often illicitly). The humans' great genetic compatability has allowed some of these unions to produce offspring, though rarely. These half-human, half-ogre children have been named by the Horde orcs as mok'ooman. However, they remain the same: half-ogres. |
| 20:04.12 | Codayus | wc3ft bonus campaign was totally awesomwe, btw |
| 20:04.12 | Codayus | and this lag is sucking... |
| 20:04.48 | Kirkburn | That info is from the same place that says: Info for "Furbolg: Removed. Wait for Alliance Player's Guide. " |
| 20:05.02 | Codayus | are there actually female ogres in game? |
| 20:05.17 | Codayus | kind of disturbing to just think about. oO |
| 20:05.18 | Kirkburn | not afaik |
| 20:05.44 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 20:05.58 | Tain | Well see Ogres are like an onion. |
| 20:06.02 | Kirkburn | (unless they're not called ogres) |
| 20:06.09 | Kirkburn | they smell? |
| 20:06.17 | Kirkburn | They make you cry all the time? |
| 20:06.30 | Kirkburn | They're french? |
| 20:06.38 | Tain | Layers! Ogres have layers! |
| 20:06.51 | Kirkburn | :D |
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| 20:08.37 | Kirkburn | Does anyone know what "Demon Hunters" are, or if they exist in WoW? |
| 20:09.10 | ckknight | Demon Hunters are Night Elves that blind themselves in order to sense demons |
| 20:09.20 | ckknight | Illidan is one of these |
| 20:09.43 | Kirkburn | Oh. |
| 20:09.46 | Codayus | theres a few around |
| 20:10.11 | Kirkburn | Oh it's true they do have NE ears |
| 20:10.38 | Codayus | one in azshara thats involved in the fallen hero quest chain in the blasted lands, IIRC |
| 20:11.16 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 20:11.39 | Kirkburn | Never done it past Kirith |
| 20:13.27 | Kirkburn | Who speaks Thalassian? |
| 20:13.33 | Codayus | on a little island... |
| 20:14.08 | Kirkburn | Cos Pandaren do :) Also A pandaren can see twice as far as a human in starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor illumination. He retains the ability to distinguish color and detail under these conditions. |
| 20:14.36 | Kirkburn | Y'know I'm gonna have to get me to Warcraft RPG books just so I see more lore |
| 20:15.26 | Kirkburn | Oh wait this is the "interface forum" .... uh, so what are you most looking forward to in 1.10? |
| 20:15.42 | ckknight | dynamically created frames |
| 20:16.18 | Kirkburn | Is it gonna result in some drastically new addons? |
| 20:17.02 | Tain | I think it's going to result in addons you wouldn't have seen before because people dislike working with WoW's XML so much to create GUI elements. |
| 20:17.23 | Tain | That's not a global "people dislike" but just that the people who dislike it will be able to do things in Lua code instead. |
| 20:17.23 | ckknight | BossPanel will be able to have better memory usage regarding that, and also infinite number of panels and plugins. |
| 20:17.39 | Kirkburn | cool |
| 20:18.17 | Tain | Things like DART can really benefit if he changes things over to Lua instead of XML. |
| 20:19.09 | ckknight | Discord is so bloated, I can't use it |
| 20:19.17 | Tain | Oh I just remembered though, we didn't get any way to test if a frame was defined in XML or dynamically created. |
| 20:19.22 | Beladona | 0.10.0.5148 compare is live on wdn |
| 20:19.45 | Tain | Excellent Beladona! Thanks. :) |
| 20:19.59 | Kirkburn | sooo maaannnyyyy chhaaaannngeeessss |
| 20:20.26 | Kirkburn | uh, er, no worky :S |
| 20:20.33 | Beladona | ? |
| 20:20.36 | Kirkburn | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=01005148&ct=tcompare_files/FileComparisonReport1.xml&rid=1 |
| 20:20.53 | Beladona | oh my |
| 20:20.55 | Beladona | one sec |
| 20:21.26 | Beladona | my stupid script didn't find that, how gay |
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| 20:21.48 | ckknight | what does your script's sexuality have to do with anything? |
| 20:22.24 | Beladona | everything |
| 20:22.28 | Kirkburn | Beladona's really happy with the problem |
| 20:22.50 | Beladona | but if you must know, gay doesn't mean sexuality to me |
| 20:22.53 | Beladona | but ok |
| 20:23.07 | Tain | So it was a happy script? |
| 20:23.16 | Kirkburn | Happy in it's ignorance |
| 20:23.27 | Beladona | happy, annoying, and slightly giddy |
| 20:23.39 | Beladona | smells of elderberries too |
| 20:23.39 | Kirkburn | Works now :) |
| 20:23.45 | Beladona | yeah =) |
| 20:23.52 | Tain | hah newly (for me) spotted tshirt that made me chuckle. "Everything you like I liked five years ago." |
| 20:24.12 | Beladona | complete with iriel's name =D |
| 20:24.25 | Beladona | where was that Tain |
| 20:24.36 | Kirkburn | Those changes ... I heard there were no lines on the taxi frame on test - that likely to be the change? |
| 20:24.50 | Beladona | there were supposed to bhe |
| 20:24.57 | Beladona | they probably had a bug with it, and had to fix it |
| 20:25.23 | Tain | It was actually a picture of a friend's friend and he happened to have that shirt on. |
| 20:25.38 | Kirkburn | As one does |
| 20:25.44 | Beladona | not sure I would wear a shirt saying that, but definitely a bumper sticker |
| 20:26.06 | Kirkburn | You'd wear a bumper sticker? |
| 20:26.12 | Beladona | yes |
| 20:26.13 | Kirkburn | Where?! |
| 20:26.16 | Beladona | on my left ass cheek |
| 20:26.23 | Kirkburn | Is the right already taken? |
| 20:26.28 | ckknight | sextastic |
| 20:26.36 | Cairenn | weirdoes :p |
| 20:26.37 | Beladona | yeah, I have a "support our troops" magnet |
| 20:26.42 | Kirkburn | Magnet?! |
| 20:26.43 | Beladona | don't ask how it sticks |
| 20:26.53 | Kirkburn | How does it stick Beladona? |
| 20:27.05 | Beladona | I said don't ask lol |
| 20:27.12 | Tain | Beats the, "Does this shirt make my crotch look big?" tshirt I want to wear to the next big family BBQ this summer. |
| 20:27.16 | Kirkburn | Who's 'lol? I'm asking you! |
| 20:27.26 | Tain | Don't ask, don't tell. |
| 20:27.39 | Beladona | I lost my right ass cheek in the war. They replaced it with buns of steel |
| 20:28.00 | Tain | It was a tragic blow-out after visiting a war-ravaged Taco Bell. |
| 20:28.01 | Ktron[afk] | wouldn't be just a bun of steel? |
| 20:28.03 | Kirkburn | "Don't ask, don't tell" ... so, er, one can you ask then? |
| 20:28.50 | Beladona | either way you should see the looks I get when I moon people |
| 20:28.51 | Kirkburn | The War of the Taco Bell. It's still sealed off .... |
| 20:29.12 | Tain | Oh hey March is Chicks' History Month! |
| 20:29.17 | Beladona | ? |
| 20:29.20 | Beladona | serious? |
| 20:29.33 | Kirkburn | I came from an egg? |
| 20:29.48 | Tain | You did, Kirkburn. |
| 20:29.49 | Kirkburn | But was I free range? |
| 20:30.18 | Beladona | you were the one egg I missed when making my last cake |
| 20:30.32 | Tain | "How do you like your eggs?" "Unfertilized, thanks." |
| 20:30.37 | Beladona | haha |
| 20:30.40 | Kirkburn | Phew, that's okay then. Wait ... you're not coming back for me are you? |
| 20:31.09 | Cairenn | my mom says you guys are all weirdoes |
| 20:31.21 | Tain | I'm pretty sure they haven't quite passed that law making abortion legal into the 68th trimester yet... |
| 20:31.38 | Beladona | we are just telling egg yokes |
| 20:31.43 | Kirkburn | Lets all gossip about Cairenn whilst she's got her mom here ... |
| 20:31.48 | Tain | No harm, no fowl! |
| 20:31.54 | Kirkburn | *whisper whisper* |
| 20:31.55 | Beladona | I sense fowl play |
| 20:32.12 | Tain | Don't egg her on, Kirkburn |
| 20:32.42 | Beladona | at least we aren't egglomaniacs |
| 20:32.55 | Tain | Some of us might eggaxerate a bit though, Beladona. |
| 20:32.59 | Kirkburn | Tain, remember this all ALL YOUR FAULT |
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| 20:33.01 | Beladona | heh |
| 20:33.15 | Beladona | omg |
| 20:33.21 | Beladona | I found some funny jokes |
| 20:33.25 | Kirkburn | Cripes! |
| 20:33.27 | Cairenn | at least it's easy to make omelets around here, you guys are already cracked |
| 20:33.28 | Beladona | where do you find a legless chicken? |
| 20:33.32 | Tain | Eggcelent! |
| 20:33.35 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:34.02 | Tain | I'm guessing the answer isn't KFC. |
| 20:34.13 | Kirkburn | You only find salmonella there |
| 20:34.15 | Beladona | my sister once said "damnit, I have split ends!" and I said, funny, I thought you were supposed to |
| 20:34.43 | Kirkburn | Am I missing something? |
| 20:34.49 | Beladona | apparently |
| 20:35.08 | Kirkburn | You never did the punchline for the last one ... |
| 20:35.17 | Beladona | oh i didn't see anyone try to answer |
| 20:35.21 | Beladona | but now it isn't funny |
| 20:35.29 | Beladona | the answer was "Where you left him" |
| 20:35.34 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:35.41 | Codayus | was it ever funny? |
| 20:35.47 | Tain | haha |
| 20:36.06 | Kirkburn | Everything you found funny I found funny five years ago. |
| 20:36.07 | Cairenn | weirdoes |
| 20:36.17 | Codayus | :-) |
| 20:36.24 | Beladona | I had a comeback for that Codayus, but it was in poor taste |
| 20:36.31 | Beladona | so I will withhold |
| 20:37.15 | Tain | Like salmanella. |
| 20:37.16 | Cairenn | Beladona, in poor taste? nevah! |
| 20:37.23 | Beladona | hehe |
| 20:37.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.29 | Codayus | heh. Like thats stopped you before... |
| 20:37.32 | Cairenn | errrr |
| 20:37.34 | Cairenn | he |
| 20:37.35 | Codayus | oops, my stop |
| 20:37.40 | Codayus | *gone* |
| 20:37.45 | Cairenn | later Codayus |
| 20:38.21 | Beladona | his stop? |
| 20:38.25 | Beladona | was he on a bus? |
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| 20:38.32 | Cairenn | seems like |
| 20:38.33 | Kirkburn | The bus of life |
| 20:38.39 | Beladona | a bus, with wifi |
| 20:38.42 | Cairenn | or train perhaps? |
| 20:38.42 | Beladona | awesome |
| 20:39.18 | Cairenn | so, I'm very pleasantly surprised by you guys |
| 20:39.27 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 20:39.28 | Cairenn | your restraint is admirable |
| 20:39.30 | Beladona | tell em hwo, so we can fix it |
| 20:39.32 | Beladona | how* |
| 20:39.37 | Beladona | oh |
| 20:39.37 | Kirkburn | sextastic |
| 20:40.04 | Cairenn | no "your mom" jokes ... I really was figuring I'd see some, after telling you I"m sitting here yapping with my mom |
| 20:40.20 | Beladona | thats what I meant when I said I was withholding |
| 20:40.45 | Kirkburn | Can I guess it's something along the lines of "Your mom found it funny ...." |
| 20:40.48 | Tain | The only "your mom" joke that I like is in the poorest of poor taste. So of course I wouldn't dream of it. |
| 20:40.54 | Beladona | something like that |
| 20:41.03 | Kirkburn | Tain, yet you'd _still say it_ |
| 20:41.14 | ckknight | your mom goes to college |
| 20:41.18 | Tain | You're right, I would. But only if the moment were right. |
| 20:41.31 | Tain | And by "right" I mean "would make me laugh the most" |
| 20:41.34 | Kirkburn | Your mom lives in a house |
| 20:41.46 | Tain | Your god lives underwater. |
| 20:41.52 | Kirkburn | It's true, I do |
| 20:41.57 | Tain | Oh wait that's a band. |
| 20:42.10 | Kirkburn | They worship me. |
| 20:42.26 | Beladona | right.... |
| 20:42.36 | ckknight | mine was a Napoleon Dynamite reference |
| 20:42.45 | Kirkburn | Mine was ... true? |
| 20:44.13 | guillotine | too long of a que in the test realm :( |
| 20:44.34 | ckknight | it's queue |
| 20:44.41 | Kirkburn | che? |
| 20:45.00 | Kirkburn | And Scholomance is Skokobubble |
| 20:46.06 | Kirkburn | lol, some people are so ignorant: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7415285&p=#post7415285 |
| 20:47.44 | Kirkburn | Oooh, regarding the contest realms, the race to 50 isn't based on /played time |
| 20:47.56 | JoshBorke | eh? |
| 20:48.08 | Kirkburn | You know what typing /played does? |
| 20:48.30 | JoshBorke | i think so, why wouldn't in be based on /played? |
| 20:48.49 | Shadowd | Because you could only play when you have a decent amount of rested and beat the people who play all day without it |
| 20:48.50 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.08 | JoshBorke | mmm, good point shadow |
| 20:49.31 | Kirkburn | Ah, that explains it |
| 20:49.46 | Shadowd | Granted, I don't remember how much rested you actually get when logged in an Inn. But even a small bit of rested would give you an advantage |
| 20:49.57 | Kirkburn | Wonder what the winning time will be |
| 20:50.21 | Tain | hahah http://plasticassets.com/ - Free breast implants when you sign up for a credit card. |
| 20:50.33 | Kirkburn | Assuming continuous play I'm betting maybe 5 days |
| 20:50.50 | Kirkburn | Faaaake! |
| 20:50.52 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 20:51.12 | Kirkburn | lol "I love my new boobs" |
| 20:53.26 | ckknight | invest in your breasts. |
| 20:53.49 | Kirkburn | "Ever since I was 12, I've wanted to get my boobs done" |
| 20:54.05 | ckknight | weird |
| 20:54.43 | Tain | Poor kids. Going to get themselves saddled down with plastic at such a young age. |
| 20:54.44 | Kirkburn | "As a father and a man, I know the power breasts can have, and I knwo our Sharon [daughter] will be that much more successful..." |
| 20:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://cf.huffingtonpost.com/ |
| 20:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an entry in a contest |
| 20:55.16 | Kirkburn | Spoilsport |
| 20:56.21 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 20:56.25 | Tain | It's still funny. |
| 20:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Horribly funny |
| 20:57.59 | Cairenn | god the blizz forums are annoying today |
| 20:58.13 | Kirkburn | omg nuuuuke! |
| 20:58.58 | Kirkburn | Anything in particular? |
| 20:59.13 | Cairenn | naw, same old same old |
| 21:00.11 | Kirkburn | Can someone test http://status.messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx for me |
| 21:00.51 | Cairenn | what do you want to know? |
| 21:00.59 | Kirkburn | Is it working? |
| 21:01.12 | Cairenn | well, I'm able to get to a page |
| 21:01.17 | sarf|sleep | Same here |
| 21:01.29 | Cairenn | hey sarf|stuff :) |
| 21:01.46 | Kirkburn | Taking an age here, strange |
| 21:01.47 | sarf|stuff | Kirkburn> All systems are stable and running. |
| 21:01.51 | Kirkburn | Hey sarf |
| 21:01.54 | sarf|stuff | That's what it says. |
| 21:01.58 | Cairenn | same here |
| 21:01.58 | sarf|stuff | Hiya Cairenn and Kirkburn :) |
| 21:02.02 | Kirkburn | lol, what lie :) |
| 21:02.15 | Cairenn | took a few seconds to load, but it did load |
| 21:02.31 | sarf|stuff | Maybe it should say "All systems are stable and running. We are trying to fix this as soon as possible." |
| 21:02.36 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:02.37 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:03.45 | guillotine | haha |
| 21:04.05 | Kirkburn | Hmm, no messenger pages will load, and msn won't sign in |
| 21:04.17 | Kirkburn | btw sarf, had a look at CF? |
| 21:04.29 | guillotine | Cold Fire? |
| 21:04.34 | guillotine | Cannot Fly?' |
| 21:04.48 | Cairenn | clearfont |
| 21:04.51 | guillotine | oh |
| 21:04.51 | Kirkburn | my Crap Fudged addon |
| 21:04.53 | guillotine | right |
| 21:04.57 | guillotine | rofl |
| 21:05.01 | Kirkburn | er, yeah, ClearFont, riiight |
| 21:05.14 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 21:05.16 | Kirkburn | ahoy hoy, MSN's back |
| 21:05.23 | sarf|stuff | I'm using the pre-1.10 version now |
| 21:05.29 | Kirkburn | woop |
| 21:05.37 | sarf|stuff | However, due to 9k+ queues have not been able to test 1.10 beta thingy :/ |
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| 21:08.17 | guillotine | nerf d/cs |
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| 21:10.45 | Shouryuu | cry more noob |
| 21:12.49 | guillotine_ | I will |
| 21:12.52 | guillotine_ | :'''( |
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| 21:42.00 | Kirkburn | What's a good bank/bag replacement addon? |
| 21:42.12 | Kirkburn | ... other than AIOI |
| 21:44.35 | ckknight | OneBag |
| 21:48.21 | Kirkburn | I hear that need Ace? |
| 21:51.50 | Tain | Yes. |
| 21:52.07 | Tain | OneBag and MyBags, both Ace. Similar but some different functionality between them. |
| 22:01.44 | Kirkburn | I'll have to look at MyBags. I like the look of OneBag but not the dependency. AIOI doesn't have all the stuff of separate version, but it doesn't look as cool as OneBag. |
| 22:02.20 | Kirkburn | That second sentence was weird, I'm implying I have the Cosmos version |
| 22:02.58 | ckknight | Ace is a good dependency |
| 22:03.29 | Tain | Kirkburn has been on the other side of the Ace dependancy discussion many times. :) |
| 22:03.49 | Kirkburn | I have? |
| 22:04.06 | Tain | Yes! I'm pretty sure that's what my memory is telling me at least. |
| 22:04.19 | Tain | It could be faulty, mind you. |
| 22:04.33 | Kirkburn | Mine isn't, must've had it wiped, or I've got an evil Ace-hating twin |
| 22:04.46 | Kirkburn | I've never actually used an Ace addon |
| 22:05.09 | Tain | It just seems like a discussion that's happened a couple of times, and for some reason I was sure it was with you. So.. I must be completely replacing you with soemone else. |
| 22:05.10 | Kirkburn | As long as it's not bloaty, it's in :P |
| 22:05.16 | Tain | And... I have no idea who that someone else would be. |
| 22:05.17 | Kirkburn | I think you are |
| 22:05.25 | Kirkburn | I'm normally the MS defender |
| 22:05.42 | Tain | I'm a big fan of multiple sclerosis myself. |
| 22:05.43 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, Beladona has been on the other side of the fence a few times. |
| 22:05.55 | Beladona | ?? |
| 22:06.03 | Tain | Yeah, there's someone else. I know it's not Beladona I'm thinking of. |
| 22:06.05 | Kirkburn | So actually I'm my own evil twin |
| 22:06.14 | Beladona | whatd I do |
| 22:06.18 | [MoonWolf] | nothing bad |
| 22:06.19 | Kirkburn | Ate babies? |
| 22:06.22 | Tain | It doesn't really matter, my brain probably made up the whole thing. |
| 22:07.06 | Beladona | oh I see |
| 22:07.08 | Tain | AS it is I try not to be an Ace evangelist and try to only jump in when someone makes the, "All dependancies are bad!" statements for reasons for not trying an addon. |
| 22:07.12 | Beladona | I am not Anti_ace |
| 22:07.29 | Beladona | I am just Anti-Ace for certain scenarios |
| 22:07.38 | Beladona | specifically I never use it |
| 22:07.48 | [MoonWolf] | we know Beladona i was simply trying to think about people who had argued against ace a number of times. |
| 22:08.05 | Beladona | libraries are typically good |
| 22:08.14 | Tain | Lies! |
| 22:08.14 | Tain | Wait. |
| 22:08.15 | [MoonWolf] | we will write it up under, delusions of tain part 47. |
| 22:08.16 | Tain | No that's ok. |
| 22:08.21 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:08.28 | Kirkburn | I like museums |
| 22:08.35 | Tain | I prefer bordellos. |
| 22:08.39 | Beladona | but as with all things, there are exceptions |
| 22:08.50 | Tain | Moderation in everything. Including moderation. |
| 22:09.01 | Kirkburn | Moderation in bordellos? |
| 22:09.10 | Tain | Except bordellos. |
| 22:09.15 | Kirkburn | Thought so. |
| 22:09.27 | Kirkburn | There's one exception then. |
| 22:09.35 | Tain | I wouldn't be in support of Ace'ing a bordello, for example. |
| 22:09.58 | Kirkburn | Well, who would want to replace a bordello with a library? |
| 22:10.11 | Tain | That is the best point I have ever heard. |
| 22:10.15 | [MoonWolf] | heheeh |
| 22:10.27 | Beladona | sooo, I have this addon to test on 1.10, and I can't because like a dork I missed the copy period |
| 22:10.41 | Kirkburn | Dork! |
| 22:10.49 | Beladona | makes me want to slap your momma |
| 22:10.50 | Tain | Oh wait you only had a certain amount of time you could copy a char to test? |
| 22:10.51 | Beladona | oh |
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| 22:10.56 | Beladona | dunno |
| 22:11.00 | Kirkburn | Dork! |
| 22:11.01 | Beladona | but when I tried it failed |
| 22:11.03 | [MoonWolf] | even for the regular realm ? |
| 22:11.05 | Beladona | and now it says disabled |
| 22:11.08 | Kirkburn | Dork! |
| 22:11.14 | Tain | Oh. DAmn. I did one at least... |
| 22:11.27 | Beladona | they better open it up again |
| 22:11.41 | [MoonWolf] | thats funny |
| 22:11.55 | [MoonWolf] | most authors not getting the 1.10 fixes in because they could not copy a char |
| 22:12.02 | Tain | Yeah, I'd like to try to be responsible and test things for classes other than only the ones I'd play. |
| 22:12.55 | Tain | More likely scenario is authors not getting 1.10 fixes in because they couldn't log on due to the thousands of players dueling each other with insta-60s |
| 22:13.06 | [MoonWolf] | yeah that too. |
| 22:13.19 | Osagasu | hrm |
| 22:13.20 | [MoonWolf] | and then those same dualing people complain about it. |
| 22:13.24 | Osagasu | What happened to the tests? |
| 22:13.35 | Tain | Yours came back positive, I'm sorry. :( |
| 22:14.04 | Beladona | haha |
| 22:14.20 | Beladona | oh well, what I wanted to test is pretty tiny |
| 22:14.38 | Tain | Must.. resist.. comment.. |
| 22:14.50 | Beladona | they split the xp bar into a separate frame, so it can be hidden easily without ripping it from the Main Menu Bar |
| 22:15.03 | Tain | Did they? I missed that. That's excellent. |
| 22:15.15 | Beladona | so now I can make that an option on my addon, without doing tons of pulling apart of frames |
| 22:15.28 | Beladona | you know how they made it so the xp bar is hidden when you get 60? |
| 22:15.31 | Kirkburn | Tain, it was only in the patch notes |
| 22:15.43 | Beladona | they had to make it a separate entity for that |
| 22:15.43 | Shadowd | It is? |
| 22:15.50 | [MoonWolf] | i like the rep xp bar thingy they made |
| 22:15.51 | Tain | Full of lies and propaganda. |
| 22:16.03 | Kirkburn | It mentioned that the XP bat hides when you reach 60 |
| 22:16.09 | Tain | That part I saw. |
| 22:16.10 | Kirkburn | bat? bar ... |
| 22:16.15 | Tain | And that you could make it a reputation bar instead. |
| 22:16.25 | Tain | And also getting cash intead of exp for quests at 60. |
| 22:16.26 | Beladona | I want an XP Bat |
| 22:16.37 | Beladona | almost as much as I want an Ugly Stick |
| 22:16.41 | Kirkburn | That was before they said that realms were stable, and that Tain was the best person ever. |
| 22:16.48 | Tain | I think too many people have already been hit with the ugly stick. |
| 22:16.50 | [MoonWolf] | can i get a nerf bat instead ? |
| 22:16.58 | Beladona | no the Nerf bat is reserved |
| 22:17.00 | Kirkburn | no |
| 22:17.02 | Beladona | for rogues |
| 22:17.04 | Beladona | oh |
| 22:17.05 | Tain | As long as they didn't say that Tain was stable. |
| 22:17.18 | Kirkburn | That was the next line! How did you know? |
| 22:17.38 | Kirkburn | God ... you're right, it was all lies and propaganda |
| 22:17.46 | Beladona | anyway, have fun, I shall return -- when I feel like it, yeah! |
| 22:17.53 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 22:17.56 | [MoonWolf] | lazy bum |
| 22:18.05 | Beladona | scuse me? |
| 22:18.09 | [MoonWolf] | stay here and build a better xp bar. |
| 22:18.09 | Tain | Is that the new patch version? v0.o ? |
| 22:18.09 | Beladona | my bum is very active thank you |
| 22:18.22 | Kirkburn | Exercise more MoonWolf, you won't get a lazy bum then |
| 22:18.30 | Beladona | I did build a better xp bar |
| 22:18.32 | Beladona | I just can't test it |
| 22:18.37 | Beladona | heh |
| 22:18.38 | [MoonWolf] | exercise, does that include getting of my chair ? |
| 22:18.41 | Kirkburn | Well done? Is it in your potting shed? |
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| 22:19.10 | Kirkburn | It might |
| 22:19.11 | Legorol | khm... |
| 22:19.23 | Kirkburn | Unmoderated?! |
| 22:19.24 | Legorol | i'm probably not the first one to notice, but... MinigameFrame.xml? |
| 22:19.31 | Legorol | MinigameFrame.lua? |
| 22:19.33 | Kirkburn | Look further down Legorol |
| 22:19.34 | Legorol | what's going on here.. |
| 22:19.45 | Legorol | tictactoe?? |
| 22:19.47 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:19.56 | Kirkburn | No, I dunno hwo you get into it either |
| 22:19.57 | Legorol | is this accessible in-game? |
| 22:20.01 | Tain | I wonder if I can leverage that for my super-secret addon idea. |
| 22:20.04 | Legorol | plus there seem to be new events |
| 22:20.15 | Legorol | START_MINIGAME, MINIGAME_UPDATE |
| 22:20.16 | Kirkburn | Like mother's day? |
| 22:20.29 | Tain | Damnit that was a question I had, how do you find out when an event is added (or removed I suppose) from the game? |
| 22:20.31 | Kirkburn | Or maybe the Quidditch World Cup? |
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| 22:21.16 | Kirkburn | Pretend to be a long-lost relative of slouken then hope that a 'bring your long-lost cousin to work day' comes up soon? |
| 22:21.18 | Tain | if evt == RUM_BOTTLE_UPDATE then |
| 22:21.50 | Tain | if RumBottleIsEmpty() then panic() end |
| 22:22.27 | Legorol | minigames in WoW |
| 22:22.40 | Shadowd | We need pong on the queue page |
| 22:22.58 | Tain | How do you find out what the events currently in game are? I mean is there a real list? Or is that something people find through text parsing the game binaries? |
| 22:23.38 | MentalPower | the second |
| 22:24.34 | Tain | I was afraid of that. That goes beyond my current ambition levels so I will half-assedly await someone else's updates. |
| 22:27.01 | Legorol | usually combination of parsing binary and Blizz UI code |
| 22:27.12 | Legorol | at least for API, that's the method |
| 22:27.27 | Legorol | for events, you can't do much more than parse Blizz UI code |
| 22:27.41 | Legorol | parsing binary there isn't going to help much, since you can't verify easily if a potential string is indeed an existing event or not |
| 22:27.44 | futrtrubl | Minigame? |
| 22:27.46 | Legorol | yeah! |
| 22:28.01 | Legorol | 1.10 Blizz FrameXML has MiniGame.xml, MiniGame.lua, TicTacToe.xml, TicTacToe.lua |
| 22:28.04 | Kirkburn | Wonder who's idea it was |
| 22:28.12 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 22:28.15 | Legorol | well it existed in Cosmos back in US Beta, so... |
| 22:28.20 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 22:28.23 | [MoonWolf] | AnduinLothar, did you do that ? |
| 22:28.28 | Legorol | he is QA |
| 22:28.30 | futrtrubl | lol |
| 22:28.36 | ckknight | I want a minigame during the load screens |
| 22:28.50 | Legorol | the tictactoe seems like a 2-player game that you play versus another player |
| 22:28.54 | ckknight | too bad Nintendo patented that |
| 22:28.56 | Legorol | the code seems incomplete |
| 22:29.03 | Legorol | they patented tictactoe? |
| 22:29.04 | Shadowd | What do you use to get the FrameXML from the test WoW? |
| 22:29.13 | [MoonWolf] | mpq extraxtors work fine |
| 22:29.15 | Legorol | you can use the current official interface customization kit, or |
| 22:29.24 | Kirkburn | If it was one player, they'd have to code AI |
| 22:29.27 | Legorol | the new beta InterfaceAddOnKit |
| 22:29.32 | Legorol | personally i wouldn't use an mpq extractor |
| 22:29.46 | Legorol | because with an mpq extractor you have to grab the files from multiple mpqs to make a complete set |
| 22:29.48 | Legorol | which can be a pain |
| 22:29.53 | ckknight | Nintendo patented minigames during load screens |
| 22:30.07 | Kirkburn | But that's stupid. Games are always loading |
| 22:30.14 | [MoonWolf] | we will call it a slightly larger then mini game during load screen then. |
| 22:30.18 | Legorol | e.g. in the case of the test interface, you'd need to get file out of WoW\interface.mpq, WoW\patch.mpq, WoW\WoWTest\patch.mpq, WoW\WoWTest\patch-2.mpq |
| 22:30.23 | Legorol | you are better off using the blizz tool |
| 22:30.41 | futrtrubl | a milligame |
| 22:30.53 | Legorol | oops, some \Data\ missing in there |
| 22:31.02 | Kirkburn | noob |
| 22:31.27 | Shadowd | Doesn't the offical interface customization kit just use the current WoW install and not the test? |
| 22:32.06 | futrtrubl | grab the interface files from wdn |
| 22:32.27 | Kirkburn | Blizz EU are recruiting |
| 22:32.36 | Shadowd | ah thanks |
| 22:32.43 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.18 | [MoonWolf] | to bad taht all involves moving to france |
| 22:33.29 | Kirkburn | Damn frenchies! |
| 22:33.31 | Shadowd | hmm |
| 22:33.48 | Kirkburn | It's bad enough living with one ... |
| 22:33.54 | Kirkburn | Always got a new girl over ... |
| 22:33.56 | Legorol | Shadowd: no, it extracts both the live and test interface files |
| 22:33.58 | Legorol | it's real handy |
| 22:34.03 | Legorol | and yes you could just grab it from wdn |
| 22:34.29 | Kirkburn | like a noob |
| 22:34.36 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 22:34.43 | Shadowd | Yeah just grabbed it from wdn |
| 22:34.50 | Kirkburn | noob! |
| 22:34.58 | Legorol | i was answering the "how do you get it in the first place" |
| 22:35.11 | futrtrubl | n00b!! |
| 22:35.22 | futrtrubl | that's the Kirkburn btw |
| 22:35.24 | Shadowd | It's easier to type in wdn.wowinterface.com, click download then it is to delete all of the Blizzard_ files then extract it :p |
| 22:35.24 | Kirkburn | Well I wasn't suggesting my french friend gets his girls from wdn |
| 22:35.40 | Kirkburn | Shadowd, no need |
| 22:35.48 | Kirkburn | It don't work like dat no more |
| 22:36.00 | Kirkburn | It's got brrraaaaaainss |
| 22:36.10 | Shadowd | Not using the beta one |
| 22:36.12 | Kirkburn | i.e. it extracts them to a new folder |
| 22:36.20 | Kirkburn | What a n00b |
| 22:36.40 | Shadowd | Well I would! but the forums are still deciding if they're up or not so it's hard |
| 22:36.41 | futrtrubl | it's fine. learn 2 extract |
| 22:36.50 | Kirkburn | ~8ball Is Shadowd a nublet? |
| 22:36.51 | purl | Unsure. |
| 22:37.06 | Kirkburn | ~8ball How about a n00b? |
| 22:37.07 | purl | Negative. |
| 22:37.12 | futrtrubl | hah! |
| 22:37.43 | Kirkburn | ~8bal Are you always right? |
| 22:37.45 | purl | okay, Kirkburn |
| 22:37.58 | Kirkburn | huh? |
| 22:38.17 | Kirkburn | ~botsnack |
| 22:38.17 | purl | Kirkburn: :) |
| 22:38.19 | futrtrubl | 8ball dude |
| 22:38.37 | futrtrubl | you shuch a nub Kirkburn ;'] |
| 22:38.39 | [MoonWolf] | ~8ball are money siet spammers annoying ? |
| 22:38.40 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 22:38.47 | [MoonWolf] | ~8ball are money site spammers annoying ? |
| 22:38.48 | purl | No. |
| 22:38.52 | Kirkburn | Do you think that was what it was saying, or did it work with just 'bal'? |
| 22:38.53 | [MoonWolf] | YES they are. |
| 22:39.34 | Kirkburn | ~8ball 's survey says...? |
| 22:39.36 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 22:39.41 | futrtrubl | you just told purl that "8bal" is "you always right?? |
| 22:39.45 | Kirkburn | That's not much of a survey! |
| 22:39.55 | Kirkburn | Really? |
| 22:40.05 | futrtrubl | ~8bal? |
| 22:40.06 | purl | 8bal are you always right? |
| 22:40.10 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:40.32 | AnduinLothar | my name... who said my name.. |
| 22:40.43 | Kirkburn | ~8ball Who said his name? |
| 22:40.45 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 22:40.52 | Kirkburn | There ya go |
| 22:40.57 | [MoonWolf] | I did |
| 22:41.03 | AnduinLothar | stupid client wants to manke half your names the same color as the names that use my name... USELESS! |
| 22:41.19 | Kirkburn | the names that use my name? |
| 22:41.22 | futrtrubl | yes AnduinLothar |
| 22:41.26 | [MoonWolf] | i asked half joking if you are responsible for the minigames people found in framexml |
| 22:41.31 | [MoonWolf] | cause they used to be in cosmos |
| 22:41.34 | [MoonWolf] | but i was kidding. |
| 22:42.09 | Kirkburn | How's life in Blizzland? |
| 22:42.15 | Tain | Does anyone know anything about this site that claims to collect all "blue" posts? http://blue.cardplace.com/ |
| 22:42.27 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 22:42.35 | Kirkburn | Tain, it collects all blue posts |
| 22:42.52 | Kirkburn | And the posts it collects are shown in blue |
| 22:43.03 | Tain | And I ask because there's a post by slouken "collected" that I know doesn't exist. |
| 22:43.05 | Kirkburn | Oh and it's got a limited search feature |
| 22:43.13 | futr-away | ui.wow also tracks blue posts.. well in the interface forum |
| 22:43.23 | Legorol | Tain: link? |
| 22:43.24 | Kirkburn | This is true |
| 22:43.30 | Kirkburn | He did link it foo |
| 22:43.34 | futr-away | he may have stealth deleted it like he does |
| 22:43.40 | Legorol | cardplace has been 'round quite long and in the past proved quite reliable |
| 22:43.54 | Legorol | i have seen it make small mistakes though, misidentifying blue posters |
| 22:43.55 | Kirkburn | It's better than the thott one |
| 22:44.31 | Kirkburn | Tain, what post? |
| 22:44.49 | Tain | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/286547.htm |
| 22:45.06 | Shouryuu | ooooooooook NGE's ending is weird indeed |
| 22:45.08 | Tain | Towards the bottom, slouken supposedly saying something about G15 support maybe in 1.10. |
| 22:45.33 | Tain | I know it's not by him, but I can't find any post near it that would explain what it even being captured. |
| 22:45.46 | Kirkburn | he did say it |
| 22:45.49 | Kirkburn | It got deleted |
| 22:46.11 | Kirkburn | I saw it on the forums, the other here got excited, then it went pretty quick |
| 22:46.16 | Kirkburn | *others |
| 22:46.35 | Kirkburn | Either he wasn't supposed to say it, or it just wasn't true yet |
| 22:47.01 | Tain | Ah didn't make sense to me the way it was posted. |
| 22:47.03 | Tain | But ok! |
| 22:47.27 | Kirkburn | No-one understood the widescreen thing |
| 22:47.39 | Kirkburn | Possibly double monitors |
| 22:47.44 | Tain | Oh widescreen I know, he was asking about it before. |
| 22:47.56 | Kirkburn | What was it then? |
| 22:47.57 | Tain | Yeah non-standard resolutions for dual monitors especially. |
| 22:48.00 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 22:48.31 | [MoonWolf] | i need to find a second monitor somehow. |
| 22:48.49 | Tain | He said he was testing some crazy resolutions in-house, but not sure if it was going to be just more additions to the list or if it would let you somehow specify your resolutions. |
| 22:48.55 | AnduinLothar | you can have mine... it'd nearly dead |
| 22:49.30 | [MoonWolf] | id like it working plx |
| 22:49.37 | Tain | I had to abandon my 19" CRT, it was dying dying dying. :( |
| 22:50.25 | AnduinLothar | that's what mine is. it's sitting in a closet atm |
| 22:50.51 | [MoonWolf] | i abandoned my last screen after it started smelling |
| 22:51.02 | ckknight | I don't have a monitor |
| 22:51.27 | Kirkburn | Bloody CRTS |
| 22:51.29 | [MoonWolf] | sure you dont |
| 22:51.44 | Kirkburn | What are you some kind of one comment machine? |
| 22:52.00 | [MoonWolf] | no |
| 22:52.02 | [MoonWolf] | i |
| 22:52.03 | [MoonWolf] | can |
| 22:52.03 | Kirkburn | Not you |
| 22:52.03 | [MoonWolf] | do |
| 22:52.08 | [MoonWolf] | multiple lines |
| 22:52.19 | ckknight | ? |
| 22:52.56 | Kirkburn | You always just say one thing then disappear again :) |
| 22:53.27 | Kirkburn | I know lets all argue about LCD v CRTs :P |
| 22:53.37 | ckknight | I have a projector |
| 22:54.08 | [MoonWolf] | crt's are heavy, have more dead pixels |
| 22:54.09 | [MoonWolf] | done |
| 22:54.18 | [MoonWolf] | lcd's have* |
| 22:54.29 | Gryphen | i have a implant, just pipe the graphics straight to my brain |
| 22:54.46 | [MoonWolf] | does it have widescreen support ? |
| 22:55.11 | Kirkburn | Moonwolf, do you wanna try your previous comment again? |
| 22:55.19 | [MoonWolf] | no |
| 22:55.23 | [MoonWolf] | i want my bed |
| 22:55.28 | AnduinLothar | zzzz |
| 22:55.30 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:55.41 | ckknight | what's the difference between Screenshot() and TakeScreenshot()? |
| 22:56.09 | Kirkburn | One's longer and begins with a T |
| 22:56.29 | ckknight | thank you for being so helpful, Kirkburn |
| 22:56.36 | Kirkburn | I do try |
| 22:56.55 | Kirkburn | nn |
| 22:57.32 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:01.20 | ckknight | hey, what's "Default profile" in German? |
| 23:02.57 | Shouryuu | haha http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2002-10-22 |
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| 23:09.59 | ckknight | nvm, I got it |
| 23:10.06 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
| 23:10.10 | Cairenn | yo |
| 23:10.37 | Osagasu | Test is up |
| 23:12.12 | Osagasu | err coming up. World server is still down. >.> |
| 23:13.51 | AnduinLothar | is there a queue on us test? |
| 23:15.15 | Osagasu | not yet |
| 23:15.19 | Osagasu | but the worls server is down |
| 23:15.38 | Shouryuu | there was a Neon Genesis Evangelion movie? |
| 23:16.21 | Osagasu | yes |
| 23:16.26 | Osagasu | I think |
| 23:17.15 | Shouryuu | hummm I'l have to try and get my hands on those |
| 23:20.22 | AnduinLothar | woot, found the Starcraft 12 days of xmas song :) |
| 23:23.57 | Shouryuu | YES!! Chelsea LOST! |
| 23:24.01 | Shouryuu | HAHA! |
| 23:24.27 | Shouryuu | sorry, soccer talk |
| 23:24.42 | Shouryuu | well g'night |
| 23:27.06 | ckknight | why the hell would they tie SpellStopCasting() to a hardware event? |
| 23:28.59 | Shadowd | mana converse addons |
| 23:30.00 | ckknight | converse? |
| 23:30.25 | Shadowd | Assume that was spelled correctly! |
| 23:30.40 | ckknight | I'm confused |
| 23:30.45 | ckknight | conservation? |
| 23:31.03 | Shadowd | yes |
| 23:31.18 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:31.21 | ckknight | but those are so handy... |
| 23:31.35 | Shadowd | eh not really |
| 23:32.17 | Shadowd | Half the time you don't want it to cancel since you always have those 0.5 seconds where they get hit for some crazy amount. |
| 23:32.54 | Cairenn | hey cladhaire :) |
| 23:33.25 | AnduinLothar | they're handy because they make a decision and respond without input |
| 23:33.33 | AnduinLothar | which is not what blizzard wants |
| 23:33.54 | AnduinLothar | they want to require the operator to make decisions, rather than be able to relegate them |
| 23:34.51 | ckknight | Cairenn, I uploaded a bunch |
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| 23:35.03 | Cairenn | ckknight: I know, I already approved them |
| 23:35.08 | ckknight | oh, okay |
| 23:35.14 | ckknight | thanks :-) |
| 23:35.26 | Cairenn | np |
| 23:52.43 | ckknight | okay, if I update to 0.10.0, can I still play on normal realms? |
| 23:52.55 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:52.58 | cladhaire | they're seperate clients |
| 23:53.04 | cladhaire | its a WoWTest subdirectory under wow |
| 23:53.15 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:53.25 | ckknight | that's what I was hoping for |
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| 23:54.43 | Ktron[afk] | will having 'replacement' files in World of Warcraft/data/ still work in 1.10? |
| 23:55.54 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:56.04 | cladhaire | no files will load outside of the Interface/Addons directory |
| 23:56.37 | Ktron[afk] | so no more skinning non-ui elements... |
| 23:57.36 | cladhaire | as far as I undertsad, correct |
| 23:58.18 | Ktron[afk] | ui.worldofwar has been hammered lately |
| 23:58.19 | Shadowd | Though it was said that it's only FrameXML that can't be replaced but you can replace everything else? |
| 23:58.38 | cladhaire | I'm not sure to be honest.. i should check. |
| 23:58.48 | Cairenn | I'm in queue right now to check |
| 23:58.53 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:58.54 | Cairenn | 91 mins :p |
| 23:59.08 | Shadowd | At least thats what I recall being said is you can no longer replace FrameXML files, but you can still replace other things |
| 23:59.13 | Cairenn | make that 109, no 102, no ... |
| 23:59.30 | cladhaire | didn't the contest realms open up today? |
| 23:59.31 | zeetg | thank WoW Guru's great server management for SQL being down for the last 14 hours.. I left a msg b efore class this morning and its not done |
| 23:59.34 | cladhaire | shouldn't the kiddies all be off |
| 23:59.59 | Cairenn | cladhaire: they should be, I"ve no idea what's up =/ |