| 00:00.27 | Cairenn | nm, I was able to change realms and get in, weird :p |
| 00:00.40 | Shadowd | Have they offered pre-made characters on the US beta server before? |
| 00:00.49 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 00:00.51 | AnduinLothar | only eu |
| 00:01.02 | Shadowd | So yeah, that would be one reason |
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| 00:03.57 | Cairenn | yes, you can still overwrite by putting files in the /data/interface folder |
| 00:04.14 | Cairenn | I've just loaded in one of the T.King mods to verify, and it's fine |
| 00:04.20 | Ktron[afk] | awesome |
| 00:04.40 | Ktron[afk] | hopefully /data/particles will still work for LootFX too, but I can try that later... Thanks again Cairen |
| 00:04.47 | Ktron[afk] | now I'm going to match my name again |
| 00:04.54 | Cairenn | np |
| 00:21.41 | Cairenn | futr-away: you awake? |
| 00:24.31 | zeeg | I wish more people did that t.king stuff |
| 00:24.36 | zeeg | thats truly what UI modding is about |
| 00:24.47 | zeeg | a lot of the stuff is great, but there's nothing that really does anything to the UI out there |
| 00:24.56 | zeeg | there's the T.King things, and very few others |
| 00:26.04 | AnduinLothar | get me a good graphic artist... |
| 00:32.06 | Corrodias | i.. can find a decent one |
| 00:32.27 | Corrodias | don't know how "good" at whatever you're thinking of |
| 00:36.10 | AnduinLothar | lol, took so long to load 120 addons on my poor box on test realm it jsut disconnected me |
| 00:37.48 | AnduinLothar | as for graphic artist, I have some nifty Ideas, bu I need someone good at digitizing and hand drawing or equivelent 3dish illustrater'ing |
| 00:40.06 | zeeg | wtf |
| 00:40.07 | zeeg | sql died again |
| 00:40.53 | MentalPower | poor zeeg, hes actually working j/k :P |
| 00:41.14 | zeeg | hah |
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| 00:43.11 | MentalPower | BTW, zeeg you asked earlier asking for people to translate stuff in wowguru. To what language(s)? and how much stuff? |
| 00:43.26 | zeeg | trying to remember |
| 00:44.16 | zeeg | it was probably misc menus and stuff but im not sure |
| 00:49.24 | zeeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.33 | zeeg | i will need help on the ES site w/ translating |
| 00:49.44 | zeeg | it has some stuff but a lot is missing |
| 00:49.48 | zeeg | the only site that even has most translated is the DE site |
| 00:54.28 | zeeg | anyone here who would consider themselves an SQL expert, on query optimization |
| 00:54.50 | Kremonte | basic SQL ftw |
| 00:54.53 | MentalPower | just point me to a text file ze |
| 00:55.35 | MentalPower | zeeg even |
| 00:55.58 | zeeg | MentalPower, theres not a real set list of pharses it the thing |
| 00:56.02 | zeeg | i could send you the list we currently have |
| 00:56.03 | zeeg | basically |
| 00:56.06 | zeeg | any text you see |
| 00:56.08 | zeeg | can be translated |
| 00:56.08 | zeeg | :P |
| 00:56.16 | zeeg | its simply a variables list |
| 00:56.23 | zeeg | $lang['phrase'] = 'translated phrase in utf-8' |
| 00:56.31 | MentalPower | that will do |
| 00:56.34 | zeeg | k |
| 00:57.22 | zeeg | hrm |
| 00:57.24 | zeeg | ill email |
| 00:57.55 | MentalPower | k |
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| 00:58.56 | zeeg | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-off-topic&t=1372628&p=1&tmp=1#post1372628 |
| 00:58.56 | zeeg | wow |
| 00:59.05 | zeeg | server admins are ignoring me again |
| 00:59.11 | zeeg | I hope they know they're replacable |
| 00:59.14 | ckknight | ? |
| 00:59.17 | zeeg | hrm whats your email |
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| 01:01.39 | MentalPower | it should be in my profile |
| 01:02.15 | zeeg | thats so much work |
| 01:02.17 | zeeg | :| |
| 01:02.39 | MentalPower | PM |
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| 01:06.08 | MentalPower | that file is ANSI encoded |
| 01:06.20 | MentalPower | should it be UTF-8? |
| 01:08.02 | MentalPower | also, everything there is already translated |
| 01:08.22 | MentalPower | can you send me the untranslated version (perhaps from the enUS locale) |
| 01:11.46 | MentalPower | zeeg... |
| 01:12.03 | zeeg | ? |
| 01:12.04 | zeeg | nah |
| 01:12.05 | zeeg | ansi |
| 01:12.09 | zeeg | but it needs to have utf-8 chars in it |
| 01:12.13 | zeeg | theres no untranslated ver |
| 01:12.14 | zeeg | basically |
| 01:12.16 | zeeg | go to es.wowguru.com |
| 01:12.18 | zeeg | if you see somethiung in english |
| 01:12.25 | zeeg | you can add $lang['English Phrase'] = 'Spanish Phrase' |
| 01:12.54 | MentalPower | ok |
| 01:14.05 | MentalPower | just out of curiosity, who translated these? |
| 01:14.14 | zeeg | i forget |
| 01:14.18 | zeeg | if they're bad, freel free to redo it |
| 01:14.30 | MentalPower | I am |
| 01:14.38 | zeeg | appreciate it |
| 01:15.02 | zeeg | i want to launch the spanish section big when its released |
| 01:15.13 | zeeg | the site fully supports anything blizzard releases (ever, as long as i have dbcs for it) so its all ready to go |
| 01:15.17 | MentalPower | I'll do my best |
| 01:23.09 | Ktron[afk] | you know you're site is slow when people switch to curse-gaming to get things faster :\ |
| 01:23.15 | Kremonte | ._. |
| 01:23.31 | Cairenn | not my site, I hope |
| 01:23.39 | Ktron[afk] | no, ui.worldofwar.net |
| 01:23.52 | Ktron[afk] | wowi is definitely the quickest of the three |
| 01:23.55 | Cairenn | ah |
| 01:25.03 | Ktron[afk] | I just like looking through the others, because at least at the moment, the other two seem to have more addons than wowi... but if they keep lagging like this, then wowi should get some more visistors ;) |
| 01:27.07 | Ktron[afk] | s/visistors/visitors/ |
| 01:27.45 | Cairenn | lol, having a problem there dear? |
| 01:28.24 | Kton[ | I can report that '?' are not allowed in nicks, in case anyone else was curious. |
| 01:28.33 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:30.22 | zeeg | i think curse will always have more addons than anyone else |
| 01:30.34 | Kton[ | why? |
| 01:30.38 | zeeg | IMO Curse has the biggest DB, WorldofWar are the most selfish, WoWI is the prettiest, and well, I'm the coolest ;) |
| 01:31.05 | zeeg | Kton[, they got big really fast, the userbase is big |
| 01:31.11 | zeeg | and the sites setup for that perfectly |
| 01:31.23 | zeeg | Cairenn, i think a lighter design would attract more users to WoWI, but i myself like the design |
| 01:31.33 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 01:31.45 | zeeg | but its a webmaster thing, dark designs are known to attract a certain (small) audience |
| 01:31.46 | Kton[ | Yeah... I used to use worldofwar for most things and curse-gaming when I had to because curse was slower, but with worldofwar so slow now, they kind of lose |
| 01:32.16 | Kton[ | wowi moved up and worldofwar moved donw |
| 01:32.20 | Kton[ | s/donw/down |
| 01:34.16 | Legorol | and that's a Good Thing (TM)! |
| 01:35.33 | Cairenn | btw, Lego, did you see the error message I posted for you for CharactersViewer on 1.10? |
| 01:36.29 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3926 |
| 01:44.27 | Legorol | nope i didn't see your post, but we know about it |
| 01:44.32 | Legorol | thanks for the heads up though |
| 01:44.54 | Cairenn | okay |
| 01:45.10 | Legorol | i beleive it's been fixed in the latest Alpha version of Cosmos |
| 01:45.27 | Legorol | could be wrong there.. |
| 01:51.17 | Tain | "The designers want smart players, not smart buttons." Ah... such youthful naievity is adorable. |
| 02:00.47 | ckknight | do you get double honor from HK's on a BG weekend? |
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| 02:05.07 | MentalPower | afaik only from HK's at the BG of that weekend |
| 02:05.43 | ckknight | okay |
| 02:05.45 | ckknight | I need to test it |
| 02:06.12 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.08 | MentalPower | not that I know of |
| 02:07.19 | Kremonte | in lua, nope |
| 02:07.20 | ckknight | well, grr |
| 02:07.31 | Kremonte | in cities, there are representatives of the bg in town |
| 02:07.35 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:07.48 | ckknight | but I need to figure it out in Lua somehow |
| 02:08.02 | Kremonte | find out which it is now and make a thing by date |
| 02:08.08 | Kremonte | its definitely calculatable |
| 02:08.11 | ckknight | I could check for double reputation |
| 02:08.25 | Kremonte | there is a rotation of BG's, then an offweekend |
| 02:08.28 | MentalPower | i'd go with Kremonte's idea |
| 02:08.52 | ckknight | yea |
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| 02:21.12 | ckknight | does it always follow the pattern of AV-WSG-AB-off? |
| 02:21.21 | ckknight | i.e. are there any minority cases? |
| 02:22.36 | Kremonte | always does i believe |
| 02:22.54 | ckknight | okay |
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| 02:26.47 | ckknight | I'm looking at the calendar, and that's not quite it |
| 02:26.59 | ckknight | AB is first Thursday of the month |
| 02:27.04 | ckknight | AV is third Thursday |
| 02:27.10 | ckknight | WSG is fourth Thursday |
| 02:29.55 | ckknight | okay, it actually measures by the friday, not the thursday |
| 02:32.18 | ckknight | does anyone know the exact time that the BG weekend starts? |
| 02:39.10 | MentalPower | I believe its on the server "update" time (fair pops up, BG weekend starts etc) |
| 02:39.21 | MentalPower | I'm trying to find a figure for you |
| 02:39.25 | ckknight | okay |
| 02:39.27 | ckknight | thanks |
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| 02:41.03 | MentalPower | sources (guild) say that its either 3am (most likely) or 4am |
| 02:41.26 | ckknight | PST, CST? |
| 02:41.35 | Kremonte | server time |
| 02:41.39 | ckknight | okay |
| 02:41.59 | MentalPower | yeah, server time |
| 02:42.05 | futr-away | that was the coldest night dive I've done in a while |
| 02:42.27 | MentalPower | where are you diving? |
| 02:42.47 | futr-away | Jamaica, working at a marine lab down here |
| 02:43.26 | MentalPower | and its cold? |
| 02:43.44 | MentalPower | it aint cold here (Puerto Rico, just east of you) |
| 02:44.04 | MentalPower | well, cold is relative |
| 02:44.07 | MentalPower | how cold? |
| 02:44.21 | futr-away | well, my wetsuit died, but I was fine in the water, there's just a stiff cold breeze tonight |
| 02:44.26 | Cairenn | cold is very relative |
| 02:44.39 | Cairenn | I'm used to swimming/diving in Nova Scotia :p |
| 02:44.52 | futr-away | that's just crazy |
| 02:44.53 | ckknight | that'd be a mite bit peckish |
| 02:44.55 | Cairenn | trust me, you weren't diving in the cold futr-away |
| 02:45.04 | Cairenn | :p |
| 02:46.06 | futr-away | agreed, that's not the coldest I've dived(dove? diven?) but I had no wetsuit and it was really the air temp that was the problem |
| 02:46.19 | Cairenn | *nod* usually is |
| 02:46.32 | Cairenn | and I was just teasing you |
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| 02:49.22 | futr-away | and niether myself or the students brought towels ;'] |
| 02:49.22 | futr-away | some friends wanted me to go ice diving with them. not happening |
| 02:49.24 | futr-shivering | that was odd |
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| 02:49.42 | Cairenn | grrr |
| 02:49.49 | futr-shivering | that was very odd |
| 02:49.54 | Cairenn | yeah |
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| 02:54.04 | Cairenn | yo Kael |
| 02:54.12 | Kaelten | yes cair? |
| 02:54.19 | Kaelten | :) |
| 02:54.22 | Cairenn | just saying hi :p |
| 02:54.25 | Kaelten | ello |
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| 03:07.46 | ForgottenLords | yo |
| 03:07.47 | ForgottenLords | mt |
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| 03:13.42 | zeeg | anyone have a batch blp -> gif/png extractor |
| 03:13.46 | zeeg | png i think is what i want |
| 03:15.23 | futr-sleep | zeeg, yup |
| 03:15.29 | futr-sleep | it's on curse |
| 03:15.36 | futr-sleep | let me find the link |
| 03:15.45 | zeeg | k good |
| 03:15.52 | zeeg | cuz i dont know hwo to do it w/ our toolkit and boss isnt answerin |
| 03:16.54 | futr-sleep | crap, my http isn't working. go to beb.edowner.net/texture-tutorial link should be there |
| 03:17.14 | zeeg | not found |
| 03:17.27 | futr-sleep | damn |
| 03:17.52 | futr-sleep | go to discordmods.com , the link to the tutorial should be at the bottom left |
| 03:17.55 | zeeg | lol searching for curse-gaming goes to curse-gaming.com/mod.php |
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| 03:18.13 | zeeg | http://www.edowner.net/Texture-Tutorial/ |
| 03:18.13 | zeeg | :P |
| 03:18.22 | Cairenn | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=180 |
| 03:18.23 | futr-sleep | so close.... ;'] |
| 03:19.19 | futr-sleep | and now I am gone. g'night guys and gals |
| 03:19.29 | Cairenn | night futr-sleep |
| 03:19.39 | Wobin_ | Night futtle =) |
| 03:19.44 | futr-sleep | ;'] |
| 03:20.01 | futr-sleep | futtle rub signing off |
| 03:20.09 | Wobin_ | =) |
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| 03:34.29 | Kremonte | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/index.html?r=Warsong&faction=a#top o_O |
| 03:34.30 | Kremonte | 3 GMs right now |
| 03:36.03 | Guillotine__ | woot! I found the coolest exploit that lets you not get sapped in AB :D |
| 03:36.07 | Kremonte | eh? |
| 03:36.14 | Guillotine__ | at least I'd call it an exploit |
| 03:36.16 | Kremonte | my exploits > your exploits! |
| 03:36.18 | Kremonte | i can skywalk in 1.9 |
| 03:36.29 | Kremonte | you can't sap me when i'm like |
| 03:36.31 | Kremonte | falling! |
| 03:36.35 | Guillotine | you know you're going to get banned for that :P |
| 03:37.08 | Kremonte | pfft, it's not with wmo's and whatnot =P |
| 03:37.16 | Guillotine | oh |
| 03:37.24 | Guillotine | then how do you wall walk? |
| 03:37.33 | Guillotine | skywalk* |
| 03:37.40 | Guillotine | or are you just using levitation? |
| 03:37.41 | Kremonte | :D |
| 03:37.42 | Kremonte | nope |
| 03:38.01 | Guillotine | actually, the AB one may not be an exploit |
| 03:42.04 | Guillotine | so why is it that you can't access movment functions except if you're blizz? |
| 03:42.51 | ckknight | they don't like AutoBuff |
| 03:43.17 | Guillotine | thats hooking |
| 03:43.19 | Guillotine | not accessing |
| 03:43.47 | Guillotine | though it would be too easy to remake if you could call movement functions |
| 03:43.59 | Guillotine | oh well. I'll just press numpad 1 to autobuff :) |
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| 04:17.51 | zeeg | Anyone here a web designer? I'm looking for one (paid) for mmofiles |
| 04:18.28 | Guillotine | I can design some not-so-nice java scripts... |
| 04:18.33 | Guillotine | but for some reason I doubt thats what you want |
| 04:18.48 | ckknight | zeeg, I am |
| 04:18.57 | Guillotine | though not permitting anyone to leave your web page would sure increase views |
| 04:20.01 | zeeg | ckknight, got any work i can see? |
| 04:20.03 | zeeg | Guillotine, haha |
| 04:20.06 | zeeg | Guillotine, maybe |
| 04:20.13 | ckknight | hang on |
| 04:20.31 | ckknight | I should have most of my work saved |
| 04:20.37 | zeeg | kk |
| 04:25.37 | zeeg | make sure you id if you /msg |
| 04:25.45 | Legorol | oh nooo, the dreaded Blocked message.. |
| 04:25.47 | ckknight | oh |
| 04:25.48 | ckknight | damn |
| 04:25.57 | zeeg | ya i hate it |
| 04:26.04 | ckknight | I sent you like 3 things |
| 04:26.12 | Legorol | with only EquipCompare loaded, i got the infamous "EquipCompare has been blocked from an action ... blah" |
| 04:26.19 | Legorol | i can't possibly imagine what's causing it |
| 04:27.53 | Guillotine | not hooking anything? |
| 04:27.57 | Guillotine | ever use any movment functions? |
| 04:28.26 | Cairenn | when you first logged in? or were you queueing up tradeskills? or moving to a chest to open? or (as a hunter) pulling from a distance using anything other than autoshot (any sting)? |
| 04:28.29 | ckknight | btw, it's possible that something else is causing it |
| 04:33.41 | Cairenn | Legorol ? |
| 04:34.28 | Legorol | yeah? |
| 04:34.51 | Cairenn | any of those conditions? |
| 04:34.52 | Legorol | EquipCompare is the only addon loaded |
| 04:34.59 | Legorol | it gives the warning when i try to cook |
| 04:35.11 | Cairenn | Cairenn: when you first logged in? or were you queueing up tradeskills? or moving to a chest to open? or (as a hunter) pulling from a distance using anything other than autoshot (any sting)? |
| 04:35.16 | Legorol | when i press the create all button on tradeskill frame, |
| 04:35.26 | Legorol | and it successfully completes the first item, it gives the msg |
| 04:35.39 | Cairenn | yeah ... if you do them one at a time, it won't happen, but if you queue, it does |
| 04:35.39 | Legorol | and funnily it only gives the message if there are still more cookable items |
| 04:35.49 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:35.52 | Legorol | weird.. |
| 04:35.56 | Legorol | i'm not hooking any movement |
| 04:36.04 | Legorol | nor any of the other usual suspects |
| 04:36.16 | Cairenn | not just cooking, all tradeskills from what I've been experiencing/hearing |
| 04:36.29 | Legorol | is this general to a lot of addons? |
| 04:36.49 | Cairenn | and any time you right click to move to a quest item that you have to "open", it gives it |
| 04:37.00 | Cairenn | and for hunters, if they pull with a sting, it happens |
| 04:37.09 | Legorol | yeah i'd imagine applies to other tradeskills too.. |
| 04:37.14 | Cairenn | yeah, I've gotten it with about 10 different mods now |
| 04:37.25 | Legorol | so it's not neccessarily something on my end.. |
| 04:37.32 | Cairenn | everything from equipcompare to ace to ct_buffmod |
| 04:37.37 | Cairenn | to ... |
| 04:37.45 | Legorol | sounds to me that some event triggers, and then Blizz UI is blaming the AddOn handling the event |
| 04:37.52 | Guillotine | buggy wuggy. you can use BG only pots in AQ20 |
| 04:38.14 | Legorol | i better narrow this message down, i suspect it might be something wrong on Blizz end |
| 04:38.17 | MentalPower | thats good to know |
| 04:38.26 | Legorol | slouky boy would probably be happy to hear any specifics |
| 04:38.40 | MentalPower | any pots or just from a specific BG? |
| 04:39.42 | Cairenn | well, it may not be an "error" on Blizzard's end, but they've definitely done *something* that isn't reverse compatible |
| 04:40.27 | Legorol | well doring the day when you were asleep, there was a bit of discussion about how is Blizz implementing the detection of "naughty" calls |
| 04:40.36 | Legorol | it's not as straightforward in Lua as one might think |
| 04:40.37 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:40.44 | Legorol | of course we don't know the details, but |
| 04:40.57 | Legorol | it's possible that some calls are mistakenly getting judged as naughty |
| 04:41.11 | Legorol | it'd be good to find out what are the conditions for these during the test phase |
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| 04:41.55 | Legorol | my suspicion is that they implemented the checks to be on the more paranoid side, hence the false alarms |
| 04:42.17 | Legorol | and they need the paranoia because of the ability in Lua to hook for example Blizz UI Lua functions |
| 04:42.22 | Legorol | anyways, i'm just rambling |
| 04:42.44 | Ktron[nap] | Tem, hurry up and finish ItemCompare ;) |
| 04:43.23 | Legorol | what's ItemCompare? |
| 04:43.26 | Legorol | sounds suspicious |
| 04:43.55 | Ktron[nap] | What's yours Legorol ? |
| 04:44.02 | Legorol | EquipCompare |
| 04:44.36 | Kaelten | ItemCompare is similar, but its different enough to appeal to a different audience |
| 04:44.39 | Ktron[nap] | no, its similar buf different |
| 04:44.52 | Legorol | hehe, don't worry guys, i am not biting heads off :DS |
| 04:45.01 | Legorol | i'm very curious what it can do |
| 04:45.07 | Ktron[nap] | let me link you |
| 04:45.23 | Ktron[nap] | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=188&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 04:45.46 | cladhaire | its very sexy for rolling an alt. |
| 04:45.49 | cladhaire | just tells you what to equip =) |
| 04:45.52 | cladhaire | not really |
| 04:45.54 | cladhaire | but =) |
| 04:46.05 | Legorol | woot, personal recored: 4h37m to level 10 |
| 04:46.56 | Ktron[nap] | nice |
| 04:47.11 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 04:47.29 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 04:47.35 | Kremonte | gn |
| 04:50.00 | Legorol | that thread makes me weep :/ |
| 04:51.17 | Kaelten | what thread? |
| 04:52.14 | Legorol | the one Ktron[nap] linked |
| 04:52.36 | Kremonte | why does it make you weep? |
| 04:52.42 | Legorol | I agree that Tem's ItemCompare is very nice |
| 04:53.02 | Legorol | i'd love to see it myself, and am very happy to discuss arcana, e.g. how to implement CV compatibility and help Tem |
| 04:53.15 | Legorol | but in that thread people throw so much flak at EC it makes me cry |
| 04:53.26 | Legorol | they make it sound like EC is the root of all evil that needs getting rid of |
| 04:53.35 | Ktron[nap] | heh |
| 04:53.41 | Legorol | one post says: +1 Ace, -1 Others |
| 04:53.44 | Kaelten | its an unfortunate side effect of the ace project legorol, my apologies. |
| 04:53.44 | Kremonte | ._. |
| 04:53.45 | Kremonte | wow |
| 04:53.52 | Legorol | just because ItemCompare is Ace based and EC isn't |
| 04:54.10 | Legorol | EC has been around since the start, and it works very fine for those that like it |
| 04:54.13 | Kremonte | doesn't EC just show both tooltips? (i haven't used it in a longtime) |
| 04:54.16 | Legorol | now i'm not saying everyone should like it, but.. |
| 04:54.21 | Legorol | Kremonte: yes |
| 04:54.28 | Legorol | it's not quite the same as ItemCompare |
| 04:54.36 | Legorol | i am not saying that people aren't allowed to prefer one over the other |
| 04:54.41 | Ktron[nap] | Well, keep in mind its the handful of Ace Loving, neo-alternative-idolizing people in the world that have an opinion on EquipCompare who post there ;) |
| 04:54.43 | Cairenn | just remember that a lot of the morons screaming are just that, morons, and they aren't actually members of the Ace *team* |
| 04:54.54 | Legorol | but saying that they are happy to see ItemCompare replace EC because EC is crap and IC is cool isjust.. *snobs* |
| 04:55.21 | Legorol | Cairenn: sure, i'm not blaming anyone among the Ace guys |
| 04:55.28 | Legorol | most of the posts aren't even Ace related |
| 04:55.40 | Legorol | one of them says that EC needs to be booted, as patch 1.8 borked it.. |
| 04:55.42 | Kaelten | I think we'll be suprised about how many people are going to endup using both. |
| 04:55.59 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 04:56.09 | Ktron | And right now, you have to really look for a version of ItemCompare anyway, its a struggle to even get a copy |
| 04:56.09 | Legorol | which hurt 'cause ever since about patch 1.5 or 1.6, whenever we started getting test realms, i *always* had a working version of EC up on patch day, tested on the test realm prior to that |
| 04:56.42 | Kremonte | you made EC or somefin? |
| 04:56.45 | Wobin_ | in lua, I'm defining TheWorks = { MrPlow:Defrag(), MrPlow:SortAll()} |
| 04:56.51 | Wobin_ | but it's actually calling the functions.... |
| 04:56.54 | Legorol | Kremonte: why do you think i'm crying over it ;-) |
| 04:56.58 | Kremonte | aw |
| 04:56.59 | Kremonte | <3 |
| 04:57.06 | Kremonte | sorry, /me hasn't ever paid attention |
| 04:57.10 | Kaelten | heh, every patch borkes most of my addon according to someone or another |
| 04:57.13 | Wobin_ | is there any way I can just store the reference of the function without calling it? |
| 04:57.19 | Wobin_ | so I can call it later? |
| 04:57.20 | Legorol | yes Wobin_ |
| 04:57.26 | Legorol | ref = functionName; |
| 04:57.29 | Legorol | later on: ref() |
| 04:57.30 | Kremonte | oogle = oodles:noodles() |
| 04:57.32 | Ktron | heh, just remember, the people in this channel are the most likely to know what's going on and know when people are just smacktalking ;) |
| 04:57.35 | Wobin_ | Gotcha |
| 04:57.52 | Legorol | just make sure you don't write ref = functionName(); |
| 04:58.02 | Legorol | you don't want to be *calling* the function at that point, just grabbing the reference |
| 04:58.12 | Wobin_ | so bing = MrPlow:SortAll would work? |
| 04:58.14 | Corrodias | oogle = oodles:noodles() looks a lot like a function call, too |
| 04:58.17 | Legorol | nope |
| 04:58.25 | Legorol | MrPlow:SortAll doesn't work |
| 04:58.26 | Wobin_ | bing = SortAll |
| 04:58.30 | Wobin_ | MrPlow:bing() |
| 04:58.31 | Kaelten | wobin_ could try TheWorks = function() {MrPlow:Defrag(); MrPlow:SortAll()} |
| 04:58.36 | Legorol | because the ":" syntax is only allowed when actually calling |
| 04:58.41 | Kaelten | then you could just call it by doing TheWorks() |
| 04:58.48 | Corrodias | then MrPlow.SortAll? |
| 04:58.48 | Kremonte | oodles.noodles? |
| 04:58.53 | Legorol | that works |
| 04:58.55 | Wobin_ | Ah, but I don't wan them to do it all at once |
| 04:59.00 | Kremonte | oodles of noodles! |
| 04:59.04 | Legorol | if you have TheWorks = { MrPlow:Defrag(), MrPlow:SortAll()} |
| 04:59.27 | Legorol | that means you have a table with 2 entries: the 2 return values you get at the point of executing this line |
| 04:59.33 | Legorol | i am assuming that's not exactly you had in mind |
| 04:59.34 | Wobin_ | It's basically a list of functions to work through at a designated time |
| 04:59.40 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 04:59.41 | Legorol | right |
| 04:59.56 | Legorol | you want: TheWorks = { MrPlow.Defrag, MrPlow.SortAll } |
| 05:00.07 | Legorol | and you'd need to store a reference to MrPlow as well |
| 05:00.12 | Legorol | e.g. mp = MrPlow; |
| 05:00.13 | Kaelten | TheWorks= {"Defrag", "SortAll"} |
| 05:00.29 | Legorol | that'd work too |
| 05:00.35 | Kaelten | then call them as MrPlow[TheWorks[1]]() |
| 05:00.40 | Legorol | ok, you basically have two alternative options |
| 05:00.46 | Legorol | one is the way Kaelten said |
| 05:00.48 | Kaelten | and MrPlow[TheWorks[2]() |
| 05:01.03 | Legorol | Kaelten, one slight change: you need to give MrPlow as first argument |
| 05:01.10 | Kaelten | hmm your right |
| 05:01.11 | Legorol | since the functions were defined in ":" style |
| 05:01.21 | Kaelten | well there is a third way too. |
| 05:01.30 | cladhaire | Legorol: People talk tons of shit.. talk about bloat and efficiency, without even understanding for a second what either of those words BEGINS to mean =) |
| 05:01.31 | Legorol | and probably a fourth and fifth.. you gotta love Lua :D |
| 05:01.59 | cladhaire | you shouldn't be.. but I mean it =) |
| 05:02.04 | Kaelten | = {ace:call(MrPlow, "Defrag"), ace:call(MrPlow, "SortAll")} |
| 05:02.28 | clad|sleep | Night all |
| 05:02.45 | Kaelten | night clad |
| 05:03.03 | Wobin_ | Wouldn't that call the functions on definition, Kael? |
| 05:03.16 | Kaelten | no |
| 05:03.23 | Kaelten | call returns a wrapper function |
| 05:03.35 | clad|sleep | gonna reboot my laptop.. its crapped out atm.. so im logging for the night.. Best Wishes all |
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| 05:04.39 | Legorol | Kaelten: that looks pretty neat |
| 05:04.45 | Legorol | however, does it generate a closure? |
| 05:05.01 | Kaelten | basically legorol |
| 05:05.14 | Kaelten | return function(...) return obj[meth](obj, unpack(arg)) end |
| 05:05.25 | Legorol | that's what i was afraid of :/ |
| 05:05.42 | Kaelten | ya there are a lot of parts of ace thats going to get overhauled |
| 05:05.49 | Legorol | if you used that in a place other than just some initialization code, you would be in GC trouble |
| 05:06.20 | Kaelten | Ace2.0 is going to be an interesting trip |
| 05:06.32 | Legorol | i'm actually very said about this whole GC malarchy in WoW |
| 05:06.38 | Kaelten | ? |
| 05:06.46 | Wobin_ | sad? |
| 05:06.49 | Legorol | it means that one of the most powerful features of Lua, i.e. closures, can only be used in limited cases and very carefully |
| 05:06.53 | Legorol | *sad |
| 05:06.55 | Legorol | sorry typo |
| 05:07.02 | Kaelten | ah. |
| 05:07.09 | Legorol | i'd so love to use ellipses, closures etc. |
| 05:07.14 | Kaelten | ya its true, you wouldn't want to do call all the time |
| 05:07.16 | Legorol | they are convenient, neat and easy to code with |
| 05:07.28 | Legorol | but we can't... |
| 05:07.44 | Kaelten | nope they eat memory and wow will choke |
| 05:08.09 | Kaelten | but for wobin's purposes they hsould be fine as TheWorks should only need to be set once |
| 05:10.01 | Kremonte | lol, just killed hakkar with druids tanking |
| 05:11.44 | Legorol | Tem, you around? |
| 05:14.11 | Legorol | oh well, nn |
| 05:28.13 | Kaelten | night guys |
| 05:28.39 | Cairenn | sheesh people, 10 sec rule! |
| 05:35.43 | Tem | d'oh! |
| 05:35.50 | Tem | I'm here |
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| 06:19.34 | Qzot | Wow. I missed a good conversation. Catching up now. |
| 06:21.04 | Qzot | Legorol: I feel your pain. |
| 06:21.12 | Qzot | No fun to get slammed. |
| 06:21.28 | Kremonte | "omg, it's made with ace, it must be worlds better than ANYTHING ELSE" |
| 06:21.58 | Qzot | Hmm. Legoral doesn't answer. Why doesn't he answer? |
| 06:22.09 | Qzot | Could it have something to do with the fact he's not logged on? |
| 06:22.25 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:22.59 | Qzot | I got slammed last night after giving someone a pointer to partyaims. |
| 06:23.08 | Qzot | "not useful" |
| 06:23.15 | Qzot | "no. useless" |
| 06:23.32 | Kremonte | wow =/ |
| 06:23.35 | Kremonte | ouch |
| 06:23.40 | Qzot | bleah. i'm emotionally attached to my software. :/ |
| 06:23.56 | Kremonte | still, it's rude to bash something aimlessly |
| 06:23.57 | Codayus | partyaims? |
| 06:24.02 | Qzot | "it's just tot". |
| 06:24.07 | Codayus | tot? |
| 06:24.12 | Qzot | PartyAims. My pride and joy. |
| 06:24.47 | Qzot | Yeah, I had to go hunt it down. Tot (=target of target) shows a target-like frame for your target's target. |
| 06:26.27 | Kremonte | ace is frightening, ._. |
| 06:26.27 | Qzot | I'll ... take another risk. But (*breaks down sobbing*) ... don't bash me again ... |
| 06:26.32 | Qzot | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4307 |
| 06:26.37 | Codayus | Hmmm. |
| 06:26.47 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 06:26.50 | Kremonte | don't be sad, get gladware! |
| 06:26.55 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 06:27.21 | Codayus | Hmmm, the interface is mindbenidng. I...hm.... |
| 06:27.36 | Qzot | Just don't say "useless". |
| 06:28.00 | Codayus | How can you tell who the mob is targeting? |
| 06:28.05 | Codayus | Does it display that or not? |
| 06:28.10 | Kremonte | targettargettarget? |
| 06:28.14 | Kremonte | targettargettargettargettarget |
| 06:28.21 | Kremonte | yay for units |
| 06:28.26 | Codayus | .... |
| 06:28.37 | Qzot | Well, the screenshots are two versions old. |
| 06:28.39 | Codayus | Let me rephrase, since I seem to have confused Kremonte. :-) |
| 06:28.39 | Kremonte | what? :P |
| 06:28.51 | Kremonte | no need, i am easily confused |
| 06:29.27 | Codayus | In PartyAims, the screenshots seem to indicate that the mod is designed to show what party members are targeting, but not what those targets are targeting. |
| 06:29.40 | Qzot | If one of the group targeting a mob is *also* targeted *by* the mob, their nameplate blinks. That's almost always the case, so you know who has agro for each mob. |
| 06:29.48 | Codayus | How do you tell the latter? And what does the small cross overlaid on some names meen? |
| 06:30.04 | Kremonte | you lost me more there =P |
| 06:30.05 | Qzot | I've taken out the cross, and replaced it with blinking. |
| 06:30.09 | Kremonte | is party1target applicable? |
| 06:30.12 | Codayus | Ah, makes perfect sense. |
| 06:30.30 | Codayus | Kremonte: That would be how the lua would find that out. I'm asking a question about the interface of a specific mod. |
| 06:30.57 | Qzot | Now *I'm* confused. What is the question? |
| 06:30.58 | Codayus | ...but this mod isn't anything LIKE a target of target mod... |
| 06:31.03 | Qzot | Nope. |
| 06:31.15 | Qzot | It groups all group members who share a common target. |
| 06:31.43 | Qzot | Shows where the dog piles are. |
| 06:31.45 | Codayus | My original question is, how can I tell what one of the mobs has targeted. And the answer is, in the specific case where it has targeted a unit which has IT targeted, that units name will blink. Simple. |
| 06:32.22 | Qzot | Yes. In the case where a mob's target is not targeting the mob, PartyAims doesn't tell you. |
| 06:33.08 | Codayus | Heh, whomever put you down has clearly never tried to organize a newb group clearing core hound packs. :-P |
| 06:33.49 | Qzot | Yeah. I was kinda surprised by an ambush on this channel. In spite of living the last few months on a PvP server. |
| 06:33.57 | Qzot | :D |
| 06:34.01 | Codayus | If your looking for a mod which does have a signficant overlap with your mod, try multiassist - I used to use it. It has a few functions, but one of them was to indicate when designated group members shared targets. |
| 06:34.23 | Qzot | I'll look at it. |
| 06:34.38 | Codayus | Insanely useful in some situations, although not very easy to use, since it was designed (as the name implies) as a mod to help with assisting. |
| 06:35.14 | Qzot | Tbh, there are only a few times when I fully digest the PA scan, but in those cases it's very helpful: |
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| 06:35.22 | Codayus | Yours appears far easier to use...hmm. How well does your mod integrate with non-standard unitframe mods? |
| 06:35.32 | Qzot | (1) deciding who is going to sheep/sap/hibernate what before combat begins. |
| 06:35.56 | Qzot | I don't know, Codayus. Worth trying. |
| 06:36.04 | Codayus | *nod*. Point 1 is x10 in the garr fight and clearing trash before Mag/Luci. |
| 06:36.12 | Qzot | I have everything pretty much hang off the Target frame. |
| 06:36.31 | Qzot | Lol. I don't even recognize those. |
| 06:36.34 | Codayus | And point 2 would be in trying to find people who aren't assisting... |
| 06:36.41 | Codayus | Early MC bosses, sorry. |
| 06:37.11 | Qzot | Well, that wasn't my point 2, but yes. Mine would have been if I'm MA in a fight, as we finish one mob, I'm trying to pick the next logical mob to whack. |
| 06:37.45 | Qzot | It also shows me squishies who are whacking on something they shouldn't, and likely to draw agro. |
| 06:37.46 | Codayus | Pft, I just hit tab and hope its not in a group we haven't pulled yet. :-P |
| 06:37.54 | Qzot | LOL. |
| 06:38.07 | Codayus | But I could see a list of "in play" mobs would be helpful, yeah...multiassist really has no ability to help with that. |
| 06:38.19 | Qzot | I click on the lowest health mob that's not likely to die in the next few seconds anyway. |
| 06:38.25 | Codayus | All it can handle is a simple check as to whether someone has a different target than a designated MA... |
| 06:39.10 | Qzot | No, with PA, as MA I can decide whether MT or OT is in more trouble, and whose mob to take down first. |
| 06:39.14 | Codayus | But even that limited functionality is great for realizing that the rogue in your UBRS pug has decided to try and become a tank or something... :-P |
| 06:40.03 | Codayus | I mostly heal these days rather than MA, but I can see the benefit. |
| 06:40.06 | Qzot | The current round of updates is to add crude customizability so that people can arrange the nameplates or targeting icons where they want. More longterm... |
| 06:40.58 | Qzot | I've thought having the ability to designate an MA might be nicely integrated in, but I don't really want to compete with CTRA, et al. |
| 06:41.02 | Codayus | Criticisms: A) Ugly. B) Doubt it would work with my interface setup. C) Hmm...no, guess that's it. |
| 06:41.27 | Qzot | Suggestions for deuglification? |
| 06:41.32 | Corrodias | that's what they said about your mom |
| 06:41.45 | Corrodias | but we interfaced just fine last night. OH SNAP |
| 06:41.47 | Qzot | I've heard "ugly" in reference to PA before. |
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| 06:42.18 | Codayus | Heh, I'm the worst person in the world to ask. But...it's just generally kind of ....untidy. And the pink background to one of the portraits in one screenshot is jarring...wazat mean? |
| 06:42.23 | Codayus | Hi slouken. |
| 06:42.38 | Qzot | I used the standard class color coding. |
| 06:42.43 | Codayus | Ah! |
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| 06:43.25 | Qzot | Hey, Slouken. I'm working on an approach to spoofing that I'll test on 1.10. If it works, I'll send you a spoofing mod with instructions, k? |
| 06:43.28 | Codayus | For example, copying the ciruclar frame around the portraits might be nice. Could steal the level indicator...then perhaps mirror that on the left for a little class indicator. if that makes sense...but I'm *horrible* at that sort of thing. |
| 06:44.09 | Qzot | Could work. In actual practice, the nameplates seem to work better than the portraits. |
| 06:44.18 | slouken | Qsot, sure |
| 06:44.24 | slouken | er, zot |
| 06:44.28 | Qzot | hehe |
| 06:44.52 | Qzot | Considering the queue, I'm testing in 1.9 (to myself, of course) first. Then I'll verify in 1.10. |
| 06:44.53 | Codayus | Anyhow! Primary feature request: Please allow the designation of an MA. Monitoring a CTRA channel (if present) for MT designations might work too, but it'd be a pain to code. Eitherway, some ability to automatically flag or highlight non-tanks who aren't on the MTs target would be a boon for PUG raids. |
| 06:46.22 | Codayus | Qzot: Nameplates? |
| 06:46.24 | Qzot | If I know who are the targets of the MT, OT, and MA, then anyone targeting any other mob is in that category, right? |
| 06:46.46 | Codayus | Yes... |
| 06:46.53 | Qzot | Group members can be displayed as portraits, or name-over-health-bar. |
| 06:46.54 | Codayus | Although some fights will have more than one OT. |
| 06:47.16 | Codayus | Hmmm. |
| 06:47.26 | Codayus | Does one of the screenshots on WoWI show that latter option? |
| 06:47.35 | Qzot | Would it be sufficient to sort the mobs by highest rank of armor worn by any attacker? |
| 06:48.11 | Codayus | Heh. That's a nifty idea. Actually, to be honest, thinking about using PA in a raid, that's probably not even neccesary. |
| 06:48.30 | Qzot | Yes. The last screen shot. (Closeup.) |
| 06:49.04 | Qzot | What I'm adding now is the ability to customize the size of the nameplates. |
| 06:49.12 | Corrodias | what's a PA, now? |
| 06:49.21 | Qzot | "PartyAims" |
| 06:49.24 | Qzot | The mod. |
| 06:49.27 | Corrodias | oh |
| 06:49.45 | Qzot | So you can have 3 namesplates below the target, for example. |
| 06:49.48 | Codayus | *you* should show who the tanks are, and any people showing up in a seperate um..."stack"? is a worry. |
| 06:50.50 | Qzot | So a target with a tank attacking it is 'cool', but a target without one is 'uncool', and I show a vertical red line to separate cool targets from uncool ones? |
| 06:51.02 | Codayus | Um, hmm. |
| 06:51.29 | Qzot | Actually, if a tank is holding agro for more than one mob, he might show up as 'uncool' by the above definition. |
| 06:51.40 | Codayus | Right. |
| 06:51.45 | Qzot | So, 'cool' = attacked by a tank, or attacking a tank. |
| 06:52.13 | Codayus | Starts to get ugly, but you could also check fo CC. |
| 06:52.24 | Qzot | I also have to be careful to keep the display stable. Don't want everything jumping when one person changes target. |
| 06:52.35 | Qzot | How check for CC? |
| 06:52.41 | Codayus | If the mob is sheeped/rooted/sapped/slept/seduced/etc/etc it's probably "cool" by that logic. |
| 06:53.06 | Qzot | Yes. But it's probably not even showing, because I only track mobs targeted by at least one party member. |
| 06:53.24 | Codayus | CC being crowd control, obviously. Basically scan for debuffs. Oh, but then, it wouldn't be attacking anything anyway...hrm. |
| 06:53.28 | Qzot | That is part of the strength, and it's Achilles heel. |
| 06:54.08 | Codayus | Well, to take an example, in dead-side strath as a priest, I'll sometimes shackle a mob, which I'll keep targeted and re-shackle as neccesary. I don't have to target people to heal them, so why not? |
| 06:54.22 | Codayus | But that'll be an exception... |
| 06:54.25 | Qzot | We wouldn't want to do anything that obviates the need to play the game itself, anyway, would we? |
| 06:54.34 | Codayus | heh |
| 06:54.51 | Qzot | Yeah. You're right. That would classify as cool. |
| 06:55.14 | Codayus | OTOH, if memory serves, CCed mobs never have a target. So that might be the simplest check. |
| 06:55.25 | Codayus | Is the mob attacking a non-tank? |
| 06:55.34 | Qzot | Very true. |
| 06:55.53 | Codayus | If it's attacking a tank or not attacking, you can probably consider it "cool". |
| 06:55.57 | Qzot | Well, that brings up the 2nd major area I've thought about working on, but it would be a *lot* of work. |
| 06:56.23 | Codayus | Eww. Work is a four letter word. :-) |
| 06:56.45 | Qzot | The WoWWiki seems to indicate that agro management might really be possible. |
| 06:56.56 | Qzot | (Work for play purposes is still okay.) |
| 06:57.10 | Codayus | In what sense? |
| 06:57.42 | Qzot | PA might be a great place to add that because (1) the way PA tracks mobs is more accurate than most mods, and (2) I have a potential way to display the info. |
| 06:57.54 | Qzot | Well, 2 scenarios... |
| 06:58.31 | Qzot | Without PA, as a DPSer, imagine you had a meter which showed how much damage you could do to your target without pulling agro. |
| 06:58.51 | Qzot | Or as a healer, how much healing you could do. |
| 06:59.12 | Qzot | Or as a tank, which of squishies is close to pulling which mobs down on their heads. |
| 07:00.03 | Shadowd | The general view appears to be that yes it is possible |
| 07:00.13 | Qzot | Possible, but hard. |
| 07:00.13 | Shadowd | But that the amount of time you'd need to spend on it makes it pointless considering you could use a damage meter |
| 07:00.49 | Qzot | You can use a damage meter is estimate agro transfer? |
| 07:00.53 | Codayus | Hmm, ah....let me see... |
| 07:01.24 | Qzot | Hard things: You don't have enough info in the combat log to distinguish mobs of the same name. |
| 07:01.43 | Codayus | If you want to make a mod that tracks threat accuratley, you'll probably want to reference the work done here: |
| 07:01.47 | Codayus | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-warrior&T=735732&P=1 |
| 07:01.52 | Qzot | s/is estimate/to estimate/ |
| 07:02.00 | Codayus | And a mod that does this already is here: |
| 07:02.02 | Codayus | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=328904&p=1&tmp=1#post328904 |
| 07:02.05 | Shadowd | I can't think of any boss fight that you need a threat meter that has multiple mobs of the same name. |
| 07:02.16 | Shadowd | Except maybe the prophet in AQ40 |
| 07:02.37 | Qzot | For boss fights, that's true. And maybe that's where the real need is. |
| 07:02.47 | Shadowd | that really is where the need is |
| 07:03.07 | Codayus | I tried to test it, but it's essentially worthless with only a couple people running it in a raid. And you CAN'T track the threat of people not running the mod with even a passing degree of accuracy. |
| 07:03.19 | Shadowd | You aren't really likely to need a threat meter in UBRS/Scholo/DM/Strat/Ect. And mostly where it would be helpful is during non tauntable mobs where aggro maters |
| 07:03.43 | Codayus | It would in theory be very useful vs Onyxia, for example... |
| 07:04.05 | Shadowd | Tracking stuff like knockbacks would be fun to do |
| 07:04.25 | Qzot | Good to know. I took toons to 58 and 60 on an RP server, and immediately joined a guild on another server where I have 2x 45 toons. So I've never been past BRD level for instance.s |
| 07:05.06 | Codayus | *nod* It's almost impossible to test the aggro reduction for knockbacks. Pick a number, reduce it every raid until someone draws aggro, back it up a notch, and hope it's close... |
| 07:05.32 | Qzot | Codayus: Does the combat log not have enough information for tracking threat stuff for the whole party? Or are there issues with distance, etc? |
| 07:05.45 | Codayus | Yes there are huge problems with distance. |
| 07:06.02 | Qzot | I didn't know that, but I suspected. |
| 07:06.03 | Codayus | There are also problems with talents and gear effecting threat generation. |
| 07:06.30 | Codayus | In the Onyxia fight, the combat log usually shows only half the raid - you don't "see" the heals from the other side of the room, basically. |
| 07:06.35 | Shadowd | The hardest part is the fact that theres fights like Firemaw where if you attempted to test something like that chances are you'd wipe. |
| 07:06.40 | Qzot | Gear is probably solvable. Maybe. Talents are harder. |
| 07:07.05 | Shadowd | So you could make a log where it lists everyones threat and when a knockback happened, but unless you know when the boss changed target it would be hard to get it exactly correct |
| 07:07.07 | Codayus | If you're close enough to see a mindblast, you'll know the priest got a big chunk of threat, but priests can spec for something like 50% threat reduction or something insane like that. |
| 07:07.31 | Qzot | Right. My druid has 80% reduction on hurricane. |
| 07:07.45 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 07:08.02 | Qzot | Hmm. What we need is a constraint-based solver written in Lua. :D |
| 07:08.12 | Codayus | Heh |
| 07:08.30 | Qzot | Eventually, it will be able to tell you what gear and talents people have. :D |
| 07:09.00 | Codayus | You are perfectly correct. |
| 07:09.20 | Codayus | The idea horrifes me, however. Imagine how much WORK that would be. oO |
| 07:09.32 | Qzot | Well, I thought adding agro management would be a pain even *before* we began this discussion. |
| 07:10.19 | Qzot | Crap, I'm having enough problems making it so everyone can have *exactly* the number of rows of nameplates they want above or below the targets. :P |
| 07:10.59 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.04 | Codayus | My advice would be to postpone threat tracking till a later version. You've probably got enough on your plate with your current plans. :D |
| 07:11.34 | Qzot | Agro management was (past tense) a pipe dream. Now it doesn't even rate that high. |
| 07:11.43 | Codayus | :-) |
| 07:11.54 | Shadowd | Tell them to get a damage meter and better healers :p |
| 07:12.06 | Qzot | Right now, my goals are to clean up the code, take it out of beta, and repost it for further feedback. |
| 07:12.30 | Qzot | I hate ugly code. I hate it more when I wrote it. :( |
| 07:12.50 | Codayus | It's a lovely idea, and despite the naysayers you'll find on the UI forums, it *IS* technically possible. But A) It's insanely difficult and B) managing aggro isn't that hard a problem outside of <shudder> pugs... |
| 07:13.29 | Shadowd | Technically ~= sanely! |
| 07:13.29 | Qzot | And it's not that I don't other other (unreleased) mods crying for my time. |
| 07:15.19 | Qzot | Btw, does releasing at wowi and c-g cover most of the ground? |
| 07:15.33 | Shadowd | ui.worldofwar, cg, wowi are the top 3 i think |
| 07:15.44 | sarf|stuff | Shadowd> KLHThreatMeter |
| 07:16.21 | Shadowd | sarf|stuff: ? |
| 07:16.32 | sarf|stuff | Ah |
| 07:16.36 | sarf|stuff | You already mentioned it |
| 07:16.39 | Codayus | :-) |
| 07:16.58 | sarf|stuff | The problem with it is of course that everyone needs to use it |
| 07:17.25 | Qzot | That's what Codayus said. |
| 07:17.30 | sarf|stuff | Yep. |
| 07:17.58 | sarf|stuff | Unfortunately, there's no way around it - talents for threat reduction => info you need to determine threat. |
| 07:18.01 | Shadowd | If you could get any info from everyone in the raid you could do a lot of fun/interesting things. |
| 07:18.05 | namxo | :) |
| 07:18.45 | sarf|stuff | Recommendation: Make a bundle of stuff that everyone needs to use (CT_RA/addon Y/KLHThreatMeter) and force people to download. |
| 07:18.51 | sarf|stuff | (it helps if you're the guild master ^^ ) |
| 07:19.14 | Qzot | Hmm. I'm not convinced. I *am* convinced that it's insanely difficult, *and* that I don't want to sign up for the task. But... |
| 07:19.34 | sarf|stuff | How so? |
| 07:19.36 | Shadowd | The best chance of something that gives you all info about a person is most likely to be CTRA implementing it, but I doubt they would |
| 07:19.51 | sarf|stuff | And *that's* when you write an addon that uses their stuff. :) |
| 07:20.00 | sarf|stuff | (CT_RA_BossMods_Sarf ftw!) |
| 07:20.02 | Tem | I hope they won't even consider it |
| 07:20.25 | Qzot | It seems if for each toon, you start out with an overall threat reduction factor, and one for each specific ability that might be separably reduced... |
| 07:20.25 | sarf|stuff | Qzot> What parts is it that you are not convinced about? |
| 07:20.30 | Tem | if you will excuse the expression, l2p > threat-meter addon |
| 07:20.50 | Shadowd | Tem: No argument there |
| 07:21.07 | Tem | and call me an elitist if it makes me so |
| 07:21.13 | sarf|stuff | Tem> Indeed. However, numbers > random insults from raid leaders about "dude, stop using scorch in MC" |
| 07:21.18 | Qzot | But then you track stats and watched specific agro changes, you might be able to run a linear regression on the fly, and get more and more accurate threat reduction model as you work your way through the instance. |
| 07:21.23 | Shadowd | I never saw why people even needed them, then again I played a Rogue so I could manage my threat easly |
| 07:21.29 | Cairenn | zomg, you guys aren't trying to figure out how to make a stupidass threat meter, are you? argh |
| 07:21.29 | Tem | but I'd rather people suck than have such a mod exist |
| 07:21.42 | Tem | no Cairenn |
| 07:21.49 | Cairenn | okay |
| 07:21.51 | sarf|stuff | Tem> KLHThreatMeter exists. Now. In the present tense. |
| 07:21.56 | Qzot | That doesn't solve the 2nd problem of an incomplete combat log, but you stand a change of getting the combat log with a *fraction* of people running the mod, as opposed to 100% compliance. |
| 07:21.56 | Shadowd | No just tlaking about the requirements and what makes them buggy pretty much Cairenn |
| 07:21.58 | sarf|stuff | It works (kind of) |
| 07:22.06 | Tem | I really don't care if it exists |
| 07:22.16 | Shadowd | Guildies are probably going to yell at me if i keep alt tabbing out while tanking in BRD, brb 10 minutes |
| 07:22.16 | Tem | I will refuse to use it |
| 07:22.23 | Tem | just to fuck up the people who do |
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| 07:22.40 | sarf|stuff | Cairenn> http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3488 |
| 07:23.21 | sarf|stuff | Tem> But of course, you'll yell on the 16 hunters using Serpent Sting and pushing away Taunt/Hemorrhage/Sunder Armor? |
| 07:23.54 | Qzot | All this started by my whining about being ganked in word pvp last night about partyaims. We eventually meandered to possible future enhancements. |
| 07:24.14 | sarf|stuff | ThreatMeter is good at a few things, mainly for poor Mages that lack de-aggro abilities. |
| 07:24.15 | Tem | I complain about hunter dots / insect swarm pushing off curse of elements |
| 07:24.17 | namxo | it's work fine klhtrehatmonitor ? |
| 07:24.17 | namxo | :) |
| 07:24.19 | Qzot | For the record: I promise that partyaims will never have threat management. |
| 07:24.24 | Tem | push, I'm a mage |
| 07:24.25 | namxo | i think it's a bad things |
| 07:24.27 | namxo | like bot addon |
| 07:24.30 | Tem | Mages do NOT need an agro dump |
| 07:24.38 | Tem | agro dumps are a crutch |
| 07:24.49 | sarf|stuff | But oh, what a lovely crutch they are... |
| 07:25.01 | [MoonWolf] | people dont need agro dumps, they need to manage their damage. |
| 07:25.07 | sarf|stuff | namxo> Kind of. It works, but really requires everyone to have it installed. |
| 07:25.09 | Tem | exactly, [MoonWolf] |
| 07:25.32 | sarf|stuff | [MoonWolf]> I don't wanna! I wanna use Fireball, Scorch, Fireblast! Because I make the most damage that way! WAAAAAAH! |
| 07:25.42 | sarf|stuff | Sorry, had to get it out of my system. |
| 07:25.50 | Qzot | Heh. |
| 07:25.54 | Shadowd | BoS > All |
| 07:26.22 | Qzot | I remember the day as a mage that I started throttling back my agro, and our 5-man scholo group stopped wiping. :P Very humbling. |
| 07:26.30 | sarf|stuff | BoS is nifty. |
| 07:26.38 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 07:26.55 | Tem | I enjoy that I have to hold back my top dps |
| 07:27.04 | Tem | it's a sense of power |
| 07:27.16 | Tem | the raid can't handle my full strength so I hold back |
| 07:27.22 | Qzot | Shades of Schlinder's List. |
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| 07:27.59 | sarf|stuff | Of course, the raid can't handle your priests switching to Shadow magic, either. :) |
| 07:28.01 | Tem | Shadowd shouldn't say anything... Mr Miind-Blast-Taunt |
| 07:28.10 | sarf|stuff | See :) |
| 07:28.23 | [MoonWolf] | auto shot alone can take agro with to many crits and a good bow |
| 07:28.23 | Tem | I swear mind blast is better than taunt |
| 07:28.29 | Qzot | A Miind is a terrible thing to lay waste. |
| 07:28.35 | [MoonWolf] | especially in 5 man parties. |
| 07:28.56 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, I know... Clothies should tank, they get all the good armor buffs. |
| 07:28.59 | Tem | that's why hunters have feing death |
| 07:29.13 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 07:29.31 | Qzot | I thought we had feign death so we could lay ice traps mid-combat. |
| 07:29.31 | sarf|stuff | Tem> Nono, that's why Hunters back away fast from their aggroed targets while screaming "Get it off! Get it off!" in really high girly voices. |
| 07:29.33 | Tem | at worst, if I stop paying attn, I can blink to the tank and he can taunt it off me |
| 07:29.42 | Tem | lol sarf|stuff |
| 07:29.45 | Codayus | I raid as a priest, I have no threat reduction talents, and I use mindblast. People need to learn2tank. :-P |
| 07:30.01 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 07:30.05 | Codayus | (Well, okay. I use mindblast. In ZG. On trash mobs. Rarely. But still!) |
| 07:30.07 | Tem | (and with the right talents I can become immune for 10 seconds) |
| 07:30.15 | [MoonWolf] | Codayus, you get fade. |
| 07:30.21 | Codayus | pft, details. |
| 07:30.25 | sarf|stuff | Anyhow. |
| 07:30.36 | Tem | lol |
| 07:30.37 | sarf|stuff | I hope they fix rage generation for protection warriors soon with regards to resists. |
| 07:30.49 | [MoonWolf] | warlocks need a agro dump |
| 07:30.52 | [MoonWolf] | although |
| 07:30.52 | sarf|stuff | Well, all warriors, really. :) |
| 07:31.03 | [MoonWolf] | 10% less agro on imp sacrifice is nice. |
| 07:31.05 | Shadowd | It's called Death :p |
| 07:31.05 | Tem | I need my laptop to stop ignoring my usb devices |
| 07:31.13 | Codayus | Just like priests! |
| 07:31.16 | Tem | because typing on this keyboard is the suck |
| 07:31.25 | sarf|stuff | [MoonWolf]> No, they don't. One of our Warlocks tanked Sulfuron to death. :/ |
| 07:31.25 | Codayus | Fade is *not* an aggro dump. More like an aggro loan. :-) |
| 07:31.49 | Tem | same with iceblock Codayus |
| 07:32.00 | Codayus | Tem: Really? Dude, bogus... |
| 07:32.03 | Qzot | Why do warlocks need agro reduction? I've read all those forum posts explaining how drain tanking is every bit as good as what a plate-wearer can do. |
| 07:32.22 | Codayus | Heh |
| 07:32.25 | sarf|stuff | No, plate wearers look *good* doing it. :) |
| 07:32.37 | Tem | Codayus: it's not a dump. If the tank doesn't generate enough agro during the 10 seconds, the mob comes right back to you when you get out. |
| 07:32.39 | Qzot | Warlocks *always* look good. |
| 07:32.39 | sarf|stuff | Warlocks don't, except in Tier 0 armor. |
| 07:33.00 | sarf|stuff | Tem> I'd call it a "inverted Taunt" in fact. |
| 07:33.09 | sarf|stuff | "Don't target me for 10-15 seconds" |
| 07:33.16 | Codayus | Tem: Okay, so it's just like fade, just shorter and more powerful. Okie. |
| 07:33.19 | Tem | yeah, that's a good way to put it |
| 07:33.23 | Tem | yeah |
| 07:33.26 | sarf|stuff | Yep. |
| 07:33.32 | sarf|stuff | Ice Block removes everything, too. |
| 07:33.34 | Tem | Codayus: it's a 21 point talent |
| 07:33.42 | sarf|stuff | Mind Controlled by Brain Wash totem? No problem - Ice Block! |
| 07:33.43 | Codayus | My mage alt is lvl uh...30, I'm afraid. My grasp of mage mechanics is therefore weak, for obvius reasons. :-) |
| 07:33.48 | Tem | that's WAY more useful than all 3 31 point talents combined |
| 07:34.02 | sarf|stuff | at level 30 you can get Ice Block. Go respec! |
| 07:34.08 | Tem | nah |
| 07:34.17 | Tem | IB isn't really useful until raiding |
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| 07:34.18 | Codayus | sarf|stuff: That totally doesn't sound like a good lvling build. :-) |
| 07:34.30 | Tem | Fire is the way to go for leveling |
| 07:34.33 | sarf|stuff | Codayus> Check mage forums. Search for "AoE grinding" |
| 07:34.42 | Tem | you just have to be mindful of your agro in instances |
| 07:35.16 | Qzot | I like frost/arcane for leveling, myself. |
| 07:35.18 | Tem | because fire speced mages generate shittons of it |
| 07:35.18 | Codayus | How does ice block help with grinding though? |
| 07:35.18 | Qzot | Tho if I were an a PvP server, I'd probably go fire. |
| 07:35.18 | [MoonWolf] | people like frost arcane for everything ut pvp only builds |
| 07:35.18 | Tem | hmm, on a pvp server, I'd go ice |
| 07:35.19 | sarf|stuff | Codayus> It helps reset mobs for the next frost nova. |
| 07:35.24 | Qzot | Ice block doesn't help with grinding. |
| 07:35.34 | Qzot | Ice block doesn't even help with PuGs. |
| 07:35.34 | Tem | sure it does |
| 07:35.46 | sarf|stuff | As said, really, go check out the AoE grinding thingy :) |
| 07:35.48 | Tem | I saved myself while farming earlier today |
| 07:35.48 | Qzot | Okay. Fair enough. |
| 07:35.51 | Tem | with ice block |
| 07:36.06 | sarf|stuff | It's a thing of beauty when you see 13 mobs die by one wee little gnome. |
| 07:36.09 | sarf|stuff | :') |
| 07:36.14 | Tem | I sat in it while waiting for Fire Ward, frost Nova and blink to come off cooldown |
| 07:36.22 | Codayus | Ah, hmm. |
| 07:36.24 | Codayus | Fair enough. |
| 07:36.29 | Tem | so that the mob that was pounding on my iceblock didn't eat my face |
| 07:36.47 | Tem | and seriously, if he had gotten one more hit on me... |
| 07:36.54 | Qzot | Ice block. s/eat my face/melt my face/ |
| 07:37.09 | sarf|stuff | :) |
| 07:37.31 | Tem | oh, any mages around want to see my uber-priest-killing strat? |
| 07:37.41 | [MoonWolf] | eeeu |
| 07:37.44 | sarf|stuff | Only if it involves Exploding Sheep. |
| 07:37.45 | [MoonWolf] | please tell |
| 07:37.56 | Qzot | I like exploding sheep. |
| 07:38.01 | Tem | Couterspell -> Sheep -> Teleport to the farthest city |
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| 07:38.15 | Tem | when you arrive, Ice Block to keep the dot from finishing you |
| 07:38.21 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 07:38.33 | sarf|stuff | You forgot the /lol at the sheep and the /train when you arrive at the city. |
| 07:38.33 | Tem | that's how you suvive a priest fight |
| 07:38.50 | Tem | s/suv/surv/ |
| 07:38.51 | Codayus | I know all about how mages kill priests in pve. :-/ |
| 07:38.57 | Tem | lol |
| 07:39.05 | Tem | do you MC blooddrinkers in ZG? |
| 07:39.06 | [MoonWolf] | shadowword pain and devouring plague combined are deadly |
| 07:39.17 | sarf|stuff | They cheat - they get help from mobs, Codayus. |
| 07:39.22 | Codayus | I know! |
| 07:39.23 | Codayus | *cry* |
| 07:39.30 | Codayus | Tem: Hmm, haven't. Why, is it fun? |
| 07:39.34 | Tem | hehe |
| 07:39.41 | sarf|stuff | AoE healthtap |
| 07:39.41 | Tem | they have a spell to drain health from a friendly target |
| 07:39.45 | sarf|stuff | Health funnel |
| 07:39.52 | Codayus | ....ooooh, that sounds fun. |
| 07:40.03 | Tem | a priest in my guild tries to kill a pally everytime we pull a blood drinker |
| 07:40.11 | Qzot | *sigh* My 60 mage was begged to join another guild in ZG, but the laptop I play on couldn't hack it. I was getting <1fps. :( |
| 07:40.12 | Tem | sometimes he goes for mages with ice block |
| 07:40.16 | Codayus | And considering how short my guild is on priests, it's not like they can kick me out of the raid... |
| 07:40.19 | Qzot | Haven't made it back since. |
| 07:40.34 | Tem | Codayus: only do it to a class that has a way out |
| 07:40.40 | sarf|stuff | Codayus> If nothing else, MC a shadowthingy in the spider section. 1k shadowbolt volleys ftw! |
| 07:40.41 | Tem | Codayus: like a frost mage or a pally |
| 07:40.45 | Codayus | ....where's the fun in that?! oO |
| 07:40.56 | Codayus | Hmm, would it cause durability damage, btw? |
| 07:41.01 | Tem | yes |
| 07:41.04 | sarf|stuff | It does? |
| 07:41.08 | sarf|stuff | It's your pet after all... |
| 07:41.16 | Tem | but if they aren't smart enough to immune out, they lose |
| 07:41.20 | Codayus | It *shouldn't*...killing people MCed by hoodoo piles doesn't. |
| 07:41.30 | Tem | hmm, that's true |
| 07:41.34 | Codayus | I'll test! |
| 07:41.34 | Tem | I dunno |
| 07:41.35 | Codayus | Glee! |
| 07:41.49 | sarf|stuff | Codayus> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=528802&p=1&tmp=1#post528802 |
| 07:42.39 | Codayus | sarf|stuff: Hrm, that says it will hurt the blooddrinker...hmmm. |
| 07:43.08 | sarf|stuff | Well, try it and honk at people in the thread. |
| 07:43.19 | sarf|stuff | Might be different thingies. |
| 07:43.48 | Codayus | I've seen the faq, but have never bothered MCing in ZG. I love MCing in BRD and LBRS though. The damage output of a Evoker in LBRS is amazing. |
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| 07:50.42 | namxo | about CastSpellByName no correction ? |
| 07:56.41 | Codayus | You know, I'm actually seriously considering putting 10 points in shadow as a holy/disc priest JUST so I can get Shadow Focus to make MC get resisted less. :-P |
| 07:57.06 | namxo | i want make a build holy/shadow |
| 07:57.07 | namxo | :) |
| 08:01.57 | Corrodias | PEEN! |
| 08:02.20 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 08:10.43 | Qzot | Slouken: You still here? I have an update on the spoofing. |
| 08:13.28 | slouken | here |
| 08:13.48 | slouken | (barely) :) |
| 08:14.13 | Cairenn | reminder, btw ... we don't bug Slouken about work in here, this is his down time |
| 08:14.24 | Qzot | Sorry. I didn't know that. |
| 08:14.25 | slouken | Go ahead, Qzot |
| 08:14.31 | Qzot | I'll take this up in different channels. |
| 08:14.33 | Cairenn | I know you didn't |
| 08:14.34 | Shadowd | btw, are the forums down for anyone else, or is it me? |
| 08:14.48 | Cairenn | Shadowd: good here |
| 08:14.53 | [MoonWolf] | fine here |
| 08:14.59 | Cairenn | Qzot: it's okay, he said go ahead :) |
| 08:15.00 | Shadowd | Ah there we go |
| 08:15.12 | Qzot | I can't test in 1.10 until tomorrow. I expect the spoof to succeed, and then I'll mail a mod to Iriel to illustrate. |
| 08:15.31 | slouken | Cool |
| 08:15.33 | Cairenn | Qzot: just for future reference, we try not to bug Slouken over much about work in here is all |
| 08:15.41 | Qzot | Um. I gathered that. |
| 08:16.06 | Cairenn | it's okay, you didn't know, no one is upset :) |
| 08:16.10 | slouken | Sometimes I come here just to hang out, and sometimes I come here looking for a general feeling for how a patch test is going. |
| 08:16.23 | slouken | Tonight I'm doing a little of both. :) |
| 08:16.27 | Qzot | Hehe. |
| 08:16.53 | Qzot | And I don't know why I'm wasting time creating a mod to illustrate this spoof, but it caught my attention. :P |
| 08:16.57 | [MoonWolf] | i dont know who was responsible for the xpbar/rep thingy |
| 08:16.59 | [MoonWolf] | but it rocks! |
| 08:17.00 | Qzot | I guess I want to be a bad boy. |
| 08:17.17 | slouken | You go for it. :) |
| 08:17.22 | Tem | I just wish I could get on the test server |
| 08:17.23 | Shadowd | Yeah the new rep changes are really nice |
| 08:17.26 | slouken | Did the normal spoof mechanisms get blocked? |
| 08:17.27 | Cairenn | bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do when they come for you, bad boys bad boys ... |
| 08:17.34 | [MoonWolf] | Qzot, its called a Poof of concept and it usually made to ilustrate exploits. |
| 08:17.38 | [MoonWolf] | build ahead. |
| 08:17.39 | Qzot | On 1.9, I just sent myself a link for [Destiny of Concentration]. Creepy. |
| 08:17.40 | [MoonWolf] | proof* |
| 08:18.01 | Cairenn | slouken: that reminds me, they've figured out a way to spoof /randoms now |
| 08:18.10 | Shadowd | It's been annoying seeing Ravenholdt and Shen'dralar rep for the last month <_< |
| 08:18.15 | Tem | oh yeah I forgot about that |
| 08:18.46 | Tem | it follows from the link spoofing |
| 08:18.50 | Cairenn | yup |
| 08:19.00 | Tem | and it's one of the things that should have been fixed |
| 08:19.34 | Qzot | Do you know how it's done? (My mind is formulating schemes.) |
| 08:19.43 | Tem | I believe you use a translated name |
| 08:20.00 | [MoonWolf] | I can only hope that other interface parts are getting the same type of overhaul that the rep got. |
| 08:20.06 | Tem | and since it doesn't check for newlines or color changes, spoofing a system message is pretty simple |
| 08:20.18 | Wobin_ | wasn't it that you use something like a chinese character in a item link, then throw in a newline and then Wobin rolls x |
| 08:20.33 | Tem | yeah |
| 08:20.55 | Qzot | I don't know about the chinese character. I've been using different tricks to spoof. |
| 08:21.16 | Wobin_ | mostly just using an unprintable character |
| 08:21.25 | Tem | apparently in 1.9, if you put the name in the link it lets it pass |
| 08:21.32 | krka|work | oooh... slouken is here, i have to restrain myself from bugging about smarter flightpath selections :) |
| 08:21.34 | Tem | regardless of what language the name is in |
| 08:21.48 | Tem | I haven't had a chance to play with that yet |
| 08:22.00 | Tem | do we get to pick the actual route, or does it pick for you? |
| 08:22.01 | Qzot | Ah. Interesting. |
| 08:22.18 | Tem | Qzot: so if you use an unprintable charcter, it appears to not be there |
| 08:22.37 | slouken | krka, post on the forum |
| 08:22.44 | Qzot | That would help, but I think I could do an arguably inferior spoof without that trick. |
| 08:23.10 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.22 | Qzot | No. |
| 08:23.40 | Tem | I don't understand what you mean |
| 08:23.55 | Qzot | What I'm thinking of would leave a bit more trail than what's just been described, but the /random line would be perfectly clean. |
| 08:24.06 | Tem | ah |
| 08:24.12 | Tem | I haven't tried yet on the random thing |
| 08:24.27 | Tem | so I don't know if you can ever eliminate the [] |
| 08:24.31 | Qzot | But presumably this is all fixed in 1.10? |
| 08:24.37 | krka|work | meh, no one ever answers on eu forum |
| 08:24.38 | Tem | I think it is |
| 08:24.41 | Tem | slouken? |
| 08:24.46 | Cairenn | no, it was on the 1.10 that they were doing it, iirc |
| 08:24.52 | Qzot | ouch. |
| 08:24.57 | Tem | oh dear. |
| 08:25.02 | Qzot | Maybe I make too many assumptions. |
| 08:25.05 | Cairenn | it was over the weekend |
| 08:25.51 | Cairenn | ah, here we go |
| 08:26.08 | krka|work | using spoofed links to produce rolled -messages? |
| 08:26.11 | krka|work | interestingf |
| 08:26.25 | Cairenn | (21:10:37) guillotine: AnduinLothar: if something is being fixed next patch (spoofing item links in this case) but I just found a horrible exploit with it (you can spoof rolls. just about undetectable), is it worth reporting or just waiting until next patch? |
| 08:26.25 | Cairenn | (21:11:04) guillotine: as a side not with that, I suggest everyone change the system messages color for now |
| 08:26.25 | Cairenn | (21:11:09) guillotine: s/not/note |
| 08:26.26 | Cairenn | (21:11:20) guillotine: I don't know how to use that... |
| 08:26.28 | Cairenn | (21:11:22) Cairenn: guillotine: send me the info, I'll get it passed along |
| 08:26.30 | Cairenn | (21:11:33) Cairenn: cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 08:26.32 | Cairenn | (21:14:47) AnduinLothar: tell me how and I'll put it in the bug database |
| 08:26.34 | Cairenn | (21:16:12) guillotine: basically, you spoof a blank item in general chat (by using chinese characters as it validates that, but does not display them). add to it |n (new line. not filtered in links) |cffffff00 (yellow color) Guillotine rolls 100(1-100) |
| 08:26.38 | Cairenn | (21:16:18) guillotine: I can give you an addon to simplify it |
| 08:26.40 | Cairenn | (21:16:40) Cairenn: AnduinLothar: you taking care of it or want me to? |
| 08:26.42 | Cairenn | (21:16:53) AnduinLothar: i can, work starts in 45 min |
| 08:27.40 | Qzot | Gotcha. Exactly what I was thinking. |
| 08:27.57 | Cairenn | I can't tell if that is 1.9 or 1.10, would need guil on to tell us |
| 08:28.04 | [MoonWolf] | okay, the itemlink text is in need of some serious crackdown. |
| 08:28.27 | Qzot | The first comment by guillotine indicates he thinks this is being fixed in 1.10. |
| 08:29.02 | Qzot | I am assuming that the fix is to validate the entire string against the proper string for a given item ID. |
| 08:30.16 | Qzot | I know you can't put anything extraneous before the first '['. Don't think you can put anything after the closing ']', but I'm not sure |
| 08:30.20 | Qzot | I've tested that. |
| 08:30.50 | Qzot | So, even in 1.9 you may have open '['s and ']'s on the preceding and succeeding lines. |
| 08:35.06 | [MoonWolf] | yay for system message controll tool |
| 08:36.54 | [MoonWolf] | you roll for lowest instead of highest ? |
| 08:37.08 | Shadowd | Plus as soon as you roll 100 in the groups I do everyone says haxs :p |
| 08:37.29 | Wobin_ | feh, my 99 got outrolled once by the only other person in the party =P |
| 08:37.39 | Wobin_ | muttermutter =P |
| 08:37.42 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 08:37.50 | [MoonWolf] | i had that on my first arugal run |
| 08:37.53 | [MoonWolf] | his robes dropped |
| 08:37.56 | [MoonWolf] | and i and a mage rolled |
| 08:38.03 | [MoonWolf] | i rolled 98 so i though, yay mine |
| 08:38.07 | [MoonWolf] | and he rolled 100 |
| 08:38.12 | Codayus | heh |
| 08:38.33 | [MoonWolf] | but the group was awesome and we did the run again next day and then i got the robes |
| 08:38.50 | slouken | night night |
| 08:38.54 | [MoonWolf] | night |
| 08:38.57 | Codayus | Night slouken. |
| 08:38.58 | Cairenn | night slouken |
| 08:39.01 | Shadowd | night |
| 08:39.58 | Tem | night slouken |
| 08:40.01 | Qzot | MoonWolf: I let guildies snag most stuff in runs, because I play the AH and have more money than they do. |
| 08:40.08 | [MoonWolf] | okay |
| 08:40.21 | [MoonWolf] | why dont you simply pass the roll then ? |
| 08:40.49 | Qzot | I often do. But sometimes I want to see how observant they are. |
| 08:41.06 | Tem | I've just made a macro to roll a 101 |
| 08:41.10 | Qzot | And sometimes, until they notice, they're more excited thinking they barely won the roll. |
| 08:41.13 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 08:41.33 | Tem | I think that will be suitably humorous the next time I roll on something in ZG |
| 08:41.37 | Shadowd | It's like a druid rolling on some a plate drop in ZG after a warrior already won it, you do it just because it's funny |
| 08:41.40 | Qzot | I've also rolled one over a really high roll, but of course don't take the item. |
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| 08:43.09 | Qzot | So, for my *cough* proof of concept, what is the sweetest combination of base weapon plus "of the" stats you can think of? |
| 08:43.16 | Tem | ok, this headache isn't going away |
| 08:43.22 | Tem | I'm off to bead |
| 08:43.27 | Qzot | No, I'm here to stay, I'm afraid. |
| 08:43.38 | Tem | I'm off to bed |
| 08:43.44 | Tem | night guys |
| 08:43.49 | Qzot | gn |
| 08:43.51 | Corrodias | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8vXfS6YLHw&search=sex%20bomb |
| 08:43.53 | [MoonWolf] | qzot, i like Sulfuros, hand of ragnaros of the eagle. |
| 08:43.55 | Corrodias | you should watch that before you sleep. |
| 08:43.56 | Wobin_ | night |
| 08:44.04 | Codayus | Benediction of Spirit. |
| 08:44.08 | Maldivia | tem: morning :9 |
| 08:44.25 | Qzot | Is Benediction a random statted thing? |
| 08:44.30 | Codayus | No. :-) |
| 08:44.36 | Qzot | Won't work. |
| 08:44.56 | Qzot | I'm basically mixing and matching item ids. |
| 08:45.39 | Codayus | [MoonWolf]: On my server, everyone spoofed Thunderfury of the Whale and stuff, not Sulfuras. |
| 08:45.43 | Codayus | <shrug> |
| 08:46.28 | Maldivia | hmm, did they fix both problems with the spoofing in 1.10 ? |
| 08:46.40 | [MoonWolf] | hope so |
| 08:47.10 | namxo | ½6:) |
| 08:47.19 | Maldivia | ½6... 3 ? :) |
| 08:47.26 | namxo | what's spoofing ? |
| 08:47.26 | namxo | :p |
| 08:47.56 | Cairenn | Maldivia: if they didn't already, they will shortly |
| 08:48.07 | Cairenn | just sent the latest info off to them :) |
| 08:48.17 | Maldivia | Cairenn: good :) |
| 08:48.22 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:48.27 | Maldivia | ofcourse, I could just log on to test server and test for my self... |
| 08:48.31 | Cairenn | bad enough before, but spoofing system messages? |
| 08:48.37 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 08:48.38 | Maldivia | no queue at this time of day |
| 08:48.44 | [MoonWolf] | that cant be allowed |
| 08:48.53 | Cairenn | still insane queue on the insta-60s |
| 08:48.56 | [MoonWolf] | serieus enough for a minor patch imho |
| 08:48.58 | Maldivia | yeah, luckily not many know about that :9 |
| 08:49.02 | Cairenn | but on the "contest" servers, not too bad |
| 08:49.45 | Maldivia | that's what I like about this channel... people here know what to keep quiet :) |
| 08:50.26 | Cairenn | and he'll be trying to sort out whatever the hell the bug is with the whole "this mod has ried to use a function only avail to blizz and must be disabled" thingy :p |
| 08:50.36 | Cairenn | s/ried/tried/ |
| 08:51.22 | Maldivia | tried some simple approaches last night, to see if I could bypass the check... didn't find a hole... |
| 08:51.41 | [MoonWolf] | kremonte might know more about it |
| 08:51.58 | Tem | wow Corrodias |
| 08:51.59 | Cairenn | he does seem to have a knack for finding the sploits, doesn't he? |
| 08:52.01 | Tem | that's really good |
| 08:52.13 | [MoonWolf] | yeah he does. |
| 08:52.20 | Corrodias | it is. |
| 08:52.21 | Tem | he's so natural on the ice |
| 08:52.44 | Tem | I couldn't tell that was a body suit until it was over |
| 08:52.58 | Tem | anyway |
| 08:53.02 | Corrodias | i was a little startled at the odd shading until i realized it was one. :) |
| 08:53.11 | Tem | yeah, me too |
| 08:53.24 | Tem | I was more concerned about the rib shape |
| 08:53.52 | [MoonWolf] | that guy really is good. |
| 08:53.53 | Tem | headache + eyes sensative to light = bed time |
| 08:53.59 | Tem | night people |
| 08:54.11 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 08:54.11 | Cairenn | night tem, sweet dreams |
| 08:54.14 | namxo | a priest wants make a holy/shadow build ? |
| 08:54.15 | Tem|Sleep | night Cairenn |
| 08:54.52 | Cairenn | oh my |
| 08:56.54 | Qzot | Creepy: [Cat Carrier (Siamese) of Restoration]. |
| 08:59.47 | Codayus | Hmmm. |
| 09:00.08 | Qzot | Bedtime for me, too. |
| 09:00.10 | Qzot | gn |
| 09:00.16 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 09:00.42 | Codayus | Just got around to watching that skating video thing linked earlier. A) That's really good skating. B) That's kind of creepy. C) That much physical exertion dressed in a body suit has gotta SUCK. oO |
| 09:00.59 | Cairenn | but oh my, the boy do have some moves |
| 09:01.16 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 09:01.21 | Cairenn | anyway, sleep time for me |
| 09:01.23 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 09:01.33 | Maldivia | I just got up, an hour ago :) |
| 09:01.35 | Maldivia | but night night :) |
| 09:01.45 | Cairenn|sleep | well, I'm about 4 hrs late, so ... |
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| 09:25.15 | Wobin_ | I'm really impressed he can move like that on the ice |
| 09:25.18 | namxo | http://www.wow-europe.com/fr/info/underdev/1p10/priest/talents.html?50023010000000023055100030000000502520100510000 |
| 09:26.54 | Corrodias | why are you posting with the french version? |
| 09:29.35 | namxo | because i'm french ? |
| 09:29.35 | namxo | :p |
| 09:29.44 | [MoonWolf] | brilliant awnser |
| 09:29.47 | namxo | lol |
| 09:34.44 | Maldivia | hmm... I think that's what's called a hybrid build :) |
| 09:36.03 | namxo | :p |
| 09:50.13 | Wobin_ | It's not a bad choice of talents though |
| 09:50.48 | Wobin_ | I possibly would have put the unbreakable will into the wand spec |
| 09:51.47 | namxo | ? |
| 09:52.29 | Wobin_ | I copied the numbers into the american one... I'm only guessing that the numbers correspond |
| 09:53.11 | namxo | wait i try :p |
| 09:54.53 | namxo | yep it's the same |
| 09:55.15 | namxo | i don't think wand spec is better than unbreakable will |
| 09:55.23 | namxo | wand spec is only usefull when you play alone |
| 09:55.32 | namxo | unbreakable will is usefull in pve/pvp |
| 09:55.55 | Maldivia | ahh... fake suffix spoofing is fixed aswell :) |
| 09:55.58 | namxo | but maybe you're right :) |
| 09:56.07 | namxo | oh really ? |
| 09:56.09 | sarf|stuff | Darn |
| 09:56.14 | namxo | so we can't spoof link now ? |
| 09:56.18 | namxo | it's good |
| 09:56.18 | namxo | :) |
| 09:56.22 | sarf|stuff | They're fixing the "let's make Thunderfury gray" thingy? |
| 09:56.35 | sarf|stuff | (not that I mind, much, either way) |
| 09:57.05 | Maldivia | just tried to make a Refreshing Spring Water of the Tiger |
| 09:57.21 | Maldivia | worked fine locally, showed the of the tiger stats... but I got kicked when I linked it :9 |
| 09:57.30 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
| 09:57.40 | namxo | :p |
| 09:57.40 | sarf|stuff | Oh well, was mostly for fun anyhow :) |
| 09:57.49 | namxo | be kicked of the ptr, is tedios, long queue after :p |
| 09:57.58 | Maldivia | naah... |
| 09:58.07 | Maldivia | not on the contest realms :9 |
| 09:58.27 | namxo | i don't do the contest :) |
| 09:58.31 | Maldivia | and for testing such things, a level 1 is fine :) |
| 09:58.37 | namxo | i've a life :p |
| 09:58.58 | Maldivia | neither do I, but I can still make a level 1 toon there, to test stuff like this, without queueus |
| 09:59.38 | namxo | 1846 :D |
| 09:59.48 | sarf|stuff | Contest realms? |
| 10:00.09 | Maldivia | there are 2 contests on the test servers |
| 10:00.20 | Maldivia | a honor contest, with a level cap of 19 |
| 10:00.26 | Maldivia | (ie WSG grinding) |
| 10:00.35 | Maldivia | and a level contest, who can reach level 50 first |
| 10:01.05 | Maldivia | top 500 or something wins a beta to the expansion |
| 10:01.12 | namxo | three contests :p |
| 10:01.19 | namxo | the third is "make lots of character level 25" |
| 10:01.20 | namxo | :) |
| 10:02.40 | sarf|stuff | Ehm.... okay |
| 10:02.45 | sarf|stuff | Whatever :) |
| 10:03.10 | sarf|stuff | For once, I'll prefer *not* to betatest a MMOG thingy, I want to experience it with my guildies and friends instead :) |
| 10:13.42 | sarf|stuff | Cool |
| 10:14.02 | sarf|stuff | Using Serpent Sting to pull => some mod will be blocked. |
| 10:14.06 | sarf|stuff | Thank you, Blizzard! |
| 10:14.17 | namxo | some mod ? |
| 10:14.34 | sarf|stuff | Yep |
| 10:14.37 | sarf|stuff | Randomly chosen. |
| 10:14.47 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 10:15.08 | [MoonWolf] | dont pull with serpent sting then |
| 10:15.13 | [MoonWolf] | use vipor sting |
| 10:15.30 | sarf|stuff | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=331202 |
| 10:15.47 | sarf|stuff | ANY action that causes another action to queue => some mod will be blocked |
| 10:15.57 | sarf|stuff | including queueing up item crafting. |
| 10:16.08 | sarf|stuff | And anything that triggers auto shoot for hunters |
| 10:16.38 | Maldivia | this is why we have the test servers :9 |
| 10:16.49 | namxo | :)= |
| 10:17.01 | namxo | don't hook a mouvement function |
| 10:17.02 | namxo | :p |
| 10:18.17 | sarf|stuff | Err |
| 10:18.35 | sarf|stuff | namxo> the last dude made a "proof" addon that did NOTHING whatsoever yet still got blocked |
| 10:18.49 | sarf|stuff | Hmm |
| 10:18.50 | sarf|stuff | 4:+Chance on melee attack to restore 35 energy. |
| 10:18.53 | sarf|stuff | compared to |
| 10:18.56 | sarf|stuff | 4:On melee hit heals you for 83 - 103 hps |
| 10:19.09 | sarf|stuff | and 4:4% chance to regain 200 mana on normal ranged attacks |
| 10:19.11 | sarf|stuff | ... |
| 10:19.17 | [MoonWolf] | ill thake the 35 energy |
| 10:19.25 | Maldivia | hmm, can you still create a mod, that in a binding calls movement commands? |
| 10:19.35 | sarf|stuff | Why not give us 5 rage? healing a FIXED amount of hitpoints?! GAA! |
| 10:19.42 | sarf|stuff | Nope, Maldivia. |
| 10:20.17 | Shadowd | Yeah, I made a warlords deck for the hell of it and it's not very impressive so far |
| 10:20.23 | sarf|stuff | [MoonWolf]> Of course, we all know that it's "fair" to give ALL classes 8: +200 Armor |
| 10:20.51 | sarf|stuff | Also, 4:4% chance to regain 200 mana on normal ranged attacks |
| 10:20.53 | [MoonWolf] | sure is. |
| 10:20.59 | Shadowd | Like it's fun when you whirlwind and SS and you see 2 maelstorm procs, a crusader and double heroism but besides that it's mostly worthless |
| 10:21.12 | sarf|stuff | <nods> |
| 10:21.24 | sarf|stuff | BTW, how's that 2-300 nature (lightning) damage trinket? |
| 10:21.27 | [MoonWolf] | it was so awesome when procs could proc procs |
| 10:21.27 | sarf|stuff | or is that Heroism? |
| 10:21.39 | Crispix | can someone help me? |
| 10:21.50 | Shadowd | Maelstorm is lightning, heroism is healing |
| 10:21.52 | Crispix | trying to find out where I goto get 75+ engineering |
| 10:22.00 | Shadowd | Crispix: Should just be able to do that in IF |
| 10:22.08 | sarf|stuff | Unless he's horde |
| 10:22.10 | Crispix | Anywhere else? |
| 10:22.14 | Shadowd | SW? |
| 10:22.18 | sarf|stuff | In which case, IF would be a bad place. |
| 10:22.18 | Crispix | IF lags my machine to death. |
| 10:22.26 | sarf|stuff | Crispix> Go thru deeprun tram |
| 10:22.38 | [MoonWolf] | imagine mealstrom, sword spec, thunderfury, windfury totem, thrash blade and crusader. |
| 10:22.38 | sarf|stuff | very fewish people in Tinker Town where engineer trainer is. |
| 10:22.44 | Crispix | hrm... ok |
| 10:22.52 | Shadowd | sarf|stuff: The trinket procs often, and can basically "double proc" so it's really nice when you have charge -> 800 auto attack -> maelstorm -> 800 MS -> maelstorm |
| 10:22.59 | [MoonWolf] | when extra attacks could still proc extra attacks. |
| 10:23.09 | sarf|stuff | Nice :) |
| 10:23.15 | Shadowd | It happens actually fairly often |
| 10:23.16 | [MoonWolf] | with a rogue doing hemo |
| 10:23.39 | sarf|stuff | Ahh Baron, in 45 minutes, 5 man |
| 10:24.03 | sarf|stuff | Have anyone else done baron in a 5man group in something similar to 45 mins? |
| 10:24.20 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 10:24.26 | sarf|stuff | I mean, usually it takes about an hour and a half with 10 people... (PUG) |
| 10:24.30 | Shadowd | hemo Rogue's make me cry |
| 10:24.41 | Maldivia | sarf, then you group with the wrong people :) |
| 10:24.49 | sarf|stuff | Note the "PUG" at the end there? |
| 10:24.52 | Shadowd | Not because they do good damage, just because they do such little damage it's sad |
| 10:24.54 | sarf|stuff | Blue / green items. |
| 10:25.24 | sarf|stuff | I mean, if getting the quest for your Tier 0.5 requires you to group with 4 epix people... |
| 10:25.24 | Maldivia | 10 manning strat is not fun... |
| 10:25.34 | [MoonWolf] | Shadowd, ever see a hemo rogue with a slow mace ? |
| 10:25.45 | [MoonWolf] | they outdamage ss rogues with slower weapons. |
| 10:25.49 | Maldivia | sarf, it doesn't |
| 10:25.52 | Shadowd | [MoonWolf]: The closet i've seen to a well equipped hemo Rogue is using a vis'kag |
| 10:25.52 | [MoonWolf] | because hemo wasn never normalized. |
| 10:26.00 | sarf|stuff | [MoonWolf]> Yeah :) |
| 10:26.09 | Maldivia | sarf, it just requires that you group with 4 other people who know what they are doing |
| 10:26.20 | sarf|stuff | ... your point being? |
| 10:26.22 | Shadowd | Yeah, I played a rogue for like 9 months. |
| 10:26.33 | Shadowd | I still say 20/31 combat/swords with a CTS is better then hemo |
| 10:26.49 | Maldivia | sarf: meaning, you dont have a PUG with a hunter who find it's fun to see if you can do those 3 pulls at the same time |
| 10:26.57 | [MoonWolf] | it depends really i liked hemo when i had it, but im more a straight combat rogue |
| 10:27.01 | [MoonWolf] | so i went 21/30 |
| 10:27.16 | Shadowd | I don't see why you'd get CB instead of AR if you're swords |
| 10:27.26 | sarf|stuff | Maldivia> And this allows casuals to get that 0.5 tier set how? ^^ |
| 10:27.28 | [MoonWolf] | usuability |
| 10:27.33 | [MoonWolf] | CB is up more. |
| 10:27.37 | Shadowd | The burst damage from AR is > the burst damage from CB |
| 10:28.12 | Shadowd | And you have a higher chance of CB missing and losing that burst damage then you do of all your attacks being blocked/dodged with AR. |
| 10:28.31 | [MoonWolf] | i like it |
| 10:28.41 | Maldivia | sarf: 45 minutes should be enough time, even for casuals in Tier 0 sets |
| 10:28.45 | [MoonWolf] | im have no need to be an ultimate damage machine from hell. |
| 10:28.50 | sarf|stuff | Ehm... |
| 10:28.56 | sarf|stuff | Perhaps. |
| 10:29.00 | Shadowd | sarf|stuff: The dungeon is being nerfed too |
| 10:29.08 | Maldivia | sarf: this just means there are no 5 min afk breaks here and there |
| 10:29.20 | sarf|stuff | I haven't seen anything about it getting nerfed? Just getting more loot. |
| 10:29.31 | [MoonWolf] | mob amounts are being reduced. |
| 10:29.35 | sarf|stuff | Really? |
| 10:29.38 | Shadowd | yeah |
| 10:29.55 | sarf|stuff | Okay. |
| 10:29.59 | Maldivia | also, the 5 minutes /random for the shards from the drops... no time for that |
| 10:30.10 | sarf|stuff | Well, at least with a 45 min limit you'll fail fast. |
| 10:30.30 | Shadowd | Basically chances are that if you're doing the tier 0.5 set you "probably" already have what you need out of a dungeon |
| 10:30.38 | Shadowd | And/or you have a group you do it with |
| 10:30.51 | sarf|stuff | Unless you want the *new* loot they add in. |
| 10:31.07 | Shadowd | true |
| 10:31.23 | Shadowd | But even then, it's not that hard to have one person stay back while you decide loot quickly. |
| 10:31.47 | Shadowd | 5 man run means the chances of a class having conflicated usage of the same armor type is pretty low, assuming you don't have like a feral druid healing and a rogue. |
| 10:32.23 | Wobin_ | less hunter love than ever =P |
| 10:33.23 | Maldivia | well, people just need to do some other sort of looting arrangement for 45min runs |
| 10:33.37 | sarf|stuff | Never! Master Looting with DKP ftw! ^^ |
| 10:34.31 | Maldivia | "Sorry, the 45 mins are up"... but we're still bidding on boss 2 loots! |
| 10:35.05 | Wobin_ | ML will still work... as long as everyone's hearthed in the same place =P |
| 10:37.14 | sarf|stuff | Hm. |
| 10:37.32 | sarf|stuff | Oh well :) Not like the 8th bonus is really worth that run... but we'll see. |
| 10:39.17 | Maldivia | hmm, the movement commands were made unhookable/unuseable by addons... |
| 10:39.38 | Maldivia | to eliminate auto decurse, auto buff etc... |
| 10:39.51 | namxo | MouseLook broken :'( |
| 10:40.49 | Maldivia | Why do I have the feeling we'll just a see all those mods changed to binding-chaining instead.. |
| 10:41.53 | Maldivia | yes, it won't be exactly the same, but close |
| 10:41.55 | [MoonWolf] | you can expect a lot more keyminder like addon in the future |
| 10:41.57 | Shadowd | So you can infact still call the functions like normal? |
| 10:42.19 | Maldivia | no |
| 10:42.24 | [MoonWolf] | simply set up one single button that executes all the stuff |
| 10:42.35 | [MoonWolf] | and then make someting that mashes that button all the time. |
| 10:42.58 | Maldivia | but you can do something like this (on event) SetBinding("W", "MYBINDING"); ParseMyBinding() SetBinding("W", "MOVEFORWARD") |
| 10:43.31 | Maldivia | so the movement keys are rebound when needed, and then bound back to movement afterwards |
| 10:43.46 | [MoonWolf] | why must people even think of this |
| 10:44.33 | Maldivia | because, people will always find ways to bypass limitations :| |
| 10:44.35 | Shadowd | Because they want to be uber and get the top of the killing charts, and the only way they can do that is by getting themselfs as close to botting as they can |
| 10:45.05 | namxo | lol |
| 10:45.05 | namxo | :) |
| 10:45.28 | Maldivia | the rebinding of keys have it's obvious disadvanteges ofcourse.. |
| 10:45.44 | [MoonWolf] | slow |
| 10:45.47 | [MoonWolf] | bug prone |
| 10:46.02 | Maldivia | requires you to hit the key twice |
| 10:46.23 | Maldivia | also, if it's rebound while being pressed, releasing the key wont make you stop moving :9 |
| 10:46.23 | Shadowd | Don't the other ones require you to hit the key twice anyway |
| 10:46.35 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
| 10:46.49 | Maldivia | you can cast instant cast spells while moving, so no :| |
| 10:46.54 | [MoonWolf] | they call what they need to do and then pass the movement. |
| 10:47.38 | Maldivia | but probably, it'll just be made in to a an "all in one" macro, and then a warning on the center of the screen to use the macro |
| 10:48.35 | Maldivia | dumb people will always find a way not to become smarter :| |
| 10:49.07 | [MoonWolf] | nothing is foolproof, the fools are to ingenious. |
| 10:50.05 | Maldivia | yeah... |
| 10:50.11 | sarf|stuff | Personally, I think I'll fix so that F12 is pressed more often and so that WoW is run with user level privileges. |
| 10:50.38 | Maldivia | huh ? |
| 10:50.45 | [MoonWolf] | indeed |
| 10:50.46 | [MoonWolf] | huh |
| 10:52.23 | sarf|stuff | Sending F12 keystrokes to WoW while it is being run in a nice, safe, cozy environment where it can't detect the key sender proggy. |
| 10:53.45 | [MoonWolf] | no need for keysender proggy's |
| 10:53.59 | [MoonWolf] | or hiding them |
| 10:54.11 | [MoonWolf] | one single custom keyboard driver is enough |
| 10:54.24 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 10:54.39 | [MoonWolf] | name it the same as a normal one and blizzard will never know |
| 10:54.48 | sarf|stuff | Yes, but I dont have that and don't want to code it myself .) |
| 10:54.58 | [MoonWolf] | they will pop up soon enough |
| 10:55.01 | [MoonWolf] | mark my words |
| 10:55.04 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 10:55.06 | namxo | it's forbiden |
| 10:55.06 | namxo | :p |
| 10:55.18 | [MoonWolf] | so is drinking below legal age |
| 10:55.25 | sarf|stuff | Oh well, most of my ActionQueue addons get keystrokes by me pressing Q repeatedly anyhow. |
| 10:55.27 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: if you by soon, means been out there for a while, then yeah |
| 10:55.37 | [MoonWolf] | Maldivia, true enough |
| 10:55.43 | [MoonWolf] | and i have my nostromo for it |
| 10:55.47 | [MoonWolf] | that is perfectly legal |
| 10:55.51 | [MoonWolf] | its a feature :P |
| 10:55.57 | namxo | read the eula |
| 10:55.57 | namxo | :) |
| 10:56.15 | [MoonWolf] | link me to the part you mean |
| 10:56.20 | [MoonWolf] | im not reading all that for one thingy |
| 10:56.21 | Maldivia | I need to buy a 6 year old from a 3rd world contry... proabably cheaper than a new keyboard... |
| 10:56.37 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 10:56.57 | Maldivia | hmm, although the maintenance might be somewhat higher... |
| 10:57.17 | Shadowd | That depends what kind of moral's you have |
| 10:57.36 | [MoonWolf] | they do smell somewhat and there is the requires food part |
| 10:57.43 | [MoonWolf] | unless you want to keep buying new ones. |
| 10:59.00 | Shadowd | If you're at the point where you're confusing buying a child to press the buttons over and over you probably wont care about smell a whole lot |
| 10:59.00 | sarf|stuff | Where do you buy your morals? |
| 10:59.14 | sarf|stuff | confusing => considering? |
| 10:59.35 | Shadowd | anyway *really* need to head to sleep now |
| 10:59.48 | Maldivia | I should really get some work done... :9 |
| 11:00.59 | [MoonWolf] | work is for wussies |
| 11:01.52 | Maldivia | Right now I'm working with Java... |
| 11:02.21 | Maldivia | speaking of Java... I could use some coffeine... |
| 11:02.34 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 11:03.57 | sarf|stuff | Jmmm |
| 11:03.58 | sarf|stuff | http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Ctrl2Cap.html |
| 11:04.03 | sarf|stuff | *Hmm |
| 11:05.27 | Corrodias | i love those crazy sysinternals guys |
| 11:06.28 | Corrodias | i'm going to bed. 'ni |
| 11:06.39 | Corrodias | (i'm only about 5 hours late) |
| 11:12.43 | namxo | CastSpellByName works fine now :') |
| 11:18.40 | sarf|stuff | Oooh |
| 11:18.40 | sarf|stuff | http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-federal-06/train-bh-fed-06-gh.html |
| 11:18.47 | sarf|stuff | Now *that's* a course for ya! |
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| 12:03.36 | JoshBorie | you can't log out while the UI is hidden |
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| 12:05.58 | Stylpe | Hmm, no Kael =/ |
| 12:13.29 | Maldivia | JoshBorie: tried making a key binding for logout, and press that keybinding while the UI is hidden ? |
| 12:38.10 | krka|work | can't log out while ui is hidden? |
| 12:38.12 | krka|work | weird |
| 12:38.25 | krka|work | why does UIParent need to be visible for that? |
| 12:57.03 | JoshBorie | ( Maldivia ): No, I started logging out in the world, then i hid the UI while the countdown timer was up |
| 12:57.38 | JoshBorie | ( Maldivia ): it happens with both logout and exit. The timer will show back up if you show the UI again. it only matters if the UI is hidden when the timer gets to 0 |
| 12:57.46 | Maldivia | hiding the UI, hides the countdown timer aswell, which the UI figures as you canceling the dialog |
| 12:58.05 | Maldivia | probably |
| 12:58.45 | JoshBorie | except the timer keeps counting down while the UI is hidden... |
| 12:58.54 | Maldivia | the dialog perhaps have a OnUpdate, that checks for it, and since OnUpdate isn't run when the frame is not visible.. |
| 12:59.09 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 12:59.42 | namxo | do you know a good monitor cheap in 16/9 resolution ? |
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| 13:05.28 | Codex | hey guys |
| 13:05.40 | Codex | anyone have a WORKING copy of geowar's social mod addon? |
| 13:05.47 | namxo | dunno it |
| 13:06.03 | Codex | dang |
| 13:06.59 | Codex | sarf, u here? u made a post about that mod on the cosmos site |
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| 13:25.46 | Wobin_ | yarg |
| 13:25.48 | Wobin_ | freaky dream |
| 13:26.00 | Wobin_ | involving ghostwolf dancing |
| 13:28.57 | Wobin_ | And it wasn't even in the WoW cartoony style... I was an actual wolf doing a dance |
| 13:31.58 | [MoonWolf] | ... |
| 13:32.06 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, what are you taking ? |
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| 13:37.16 | futr-sleep | :( my intarweb won't work |
| 13:42.17 | Wobin_ | I dunno, I'm kinda sick atm... but oddly. A slight fever, but I'm just really really tired all the time |
| 13:42.55 | Wobin_ | But the druids I was dancing with enjoyed my dancing =) |
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| 13:47.15 | [MoonWolf] | were they bear form druids ? |
| 13:47.51 | Wobin_ | hm. |
| 13:48.02 | Wobin_ | I haven't actually seen the new dances... |
| 13:48.10 | Wobin_ | but there was a catform druid nodding along to the beat |
| 13:48.15 | [MoonWolf] | nor have i |
| 13:48.31 | AnduinLothar | seal form has a dance too |
| 13:48.41 | Wobin_ | You're joking =P |
| 13:48.58 | Wobin_ | Does it look like a demented... |
| 13:48.59 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 13:49.02 | Wobin_ | seal? |
| 13:50.16 | [MoonWolf] | demented people can still dance |
| 13:50.25 | [MoonWolf] | i usually call it angry seal form |
| 13:50.54 | Wobin_ | I've called it the insane chihuahua seal form |
| 13:51.14 | [MoonWolf] | ... |
| 13:53.26 | Wobin_ | http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wobindwonderdog/Water-form.jpg |
| 13:59.13 | [MoonWolf] | angry seal is still spot on i think. |
| 14:00.02 | Wobin_ | I dunno. Most seals I've seen are never that evil looking |
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| 15:44.10 | Wobin_ | *whimper* |
| 15:44.18 | Wobin_ | This priestess is healing soley with Prayer of Healing |
| 15:44.33 | Wobin_ | It's quite disturbing how much overheal there is =P |
| 15:45.30 | sarf|stuff | But at least someone is ending up top of the healing done meter, eh? |
| 15:50.39 | Tain | People will need to learn how to play a healer, it's wonderful! |
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| 15:54.23 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 15:54.35 | Legorol | good afternoon |
| 15:54.37 | sarf|stuff | "WAAAH! I want stamina buff! And why did I die?! L2P!" |
| 15:54.43 | sarf|stuff | Hiya Legorol! |
| 15:54.57 | Legorol | has anyone got any more info about what's causing the dreaded Blizz warning when crafting? |
| 15:55.41 | sarf|stuff | Essentially, it's caused by Blizzard banning a random addon when it queues up stuff |
| 15:55.54 | sarf|stuff | Also happens on Serpent Sting => Auto Shot thingy for Hunters |
| 15:56.15 | sarf|stuff | I'd say it's a piece of checking code that goes gaga and then chooses a random addon to blame. |
| 15:57.55 | sarf|stuff | Actually, my suspicion is that they have some sort of "addon pool" that they keep track of whom hooks what, and if that pool is empty - and a "double-queue" happens anyway - some nil-checking or whatnot causes it to go blame a random addon "just for safety's sake" or whatnot |
| 15:58.19 | sarf|stuff | What's your theory, Legorol? |
| 15:58.53 | Tain | I blame Saien. |
| 15:59.07 | sarf|stuff | I blame Lohrion, but... that's always good. |
| 15:59.53 | Legorol | well i didn't play much with code on 1.10 yet |
| 16:00.09 | Legorol | i first have to get my head around the difference between functions that require hardware event, and functions that can't be hooked |
| 16:00.12 | Tain | I've tried to, but haven't gotten past the 6k queues. |
| 16:00.18 | Legorol | Tain, use the contest realms |
| 16:00.23 | Legorol | at least in EU, they don't have queues |
| 16:00.38 | Legorol | for stuff testable at lvl 1, it's good enough |
| 16:00.41 | Legorol | anyways, back on topic: |
| 16:00.50 | Tain | They only just launched though, I've been trying to get in since last week. |
| 16:00.51 | Legorol | I know the post about Gello, and am slightly confused by it |
| 16:01.11 | Legorol | i want to understand what's the error msg Blizz throws if you try to use a function that needs hardware event, |
| 16:01.22 | Legorol | and how is that different from trying to hook an unhookable function |
| 16:01.38 | Legorol | but alas, this would need me to log into the test realm and actually test, instead of leveling my lvl 19 char for WSG :D |
| 16:02.56 | Kirkburn | C'mon people, we all know it's AnduinLothar's fault. |
| 16:02.58 | sarf|stuff | Well, basically, there doesn't seem to be much different |
| 16:03.03 | sarf|stuff | *difference |
| 16:03.26 | Kirkburn | Performance-wise? |
| 16:03.29 | sarf|stuff | Between attempting to hook the unhookable, and just firing off 2+ "hardware event" requiring thingies |
| 16:04.15 | sarf|stuff | Sweet |
| 16:04.28 | sarf|stuff | TicTacToeFrame - in Interface\FrameXML - is generating errors. :/ |
| 16:04.29 | Legorol | the Blizz block message has a serious bug though.. |
| 16:04.33 | Kirkburn | Is it me, or addons starting to repeat themselves ... I keep seeing near identical addons appearing |
| 16:04.48 | Kirkburn | lol and lol |
| 16:05.02 | Tain | Well the block message doesn't necessarily show the addon that's at fault, we know that. |
| 16:05.53 | Tain | But I think it's actually firing sometimes in response to Blizzard's own code, not any addon. |
| 16:06.15 | Kirkburn | How/why is CG so popular? It doesn't have the features of WoWI or worldofwar |
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| 16:06.29 | Wobin_ | posisbly exposure |
| 16:06.29 | Tain | Oldest. |
| 16:06.34 | Wobin_ | it has the members |
| 16:06.58 | Tain | cg was the first to gain exposure so a lot of people never went anywhere else. |
| 16:07.09 | Kirkburn | I find it strange - you can't see what's been updated recently apart from the last 50 |
| 16:07.44 | Tain | People don't like change. They stick with what worked, regardless of what's "better." |
| 16:07.55 | Legorol | sorry i had to go afk, i will carry on with my thought now |
| 16:08.03 | Legorol | the bug with the block message isn't that it reports the wrong addon |
| 16:08.09 | Legorol | the problem i encountered is this: |
| 16:08.11 | Osagasu | I love change. >.> |
| 16:08.12 | Kirkburn | I can cope with putting my addon on there, but using it as my main dl site would make my brain explode |
| 16:08.18 | Osagasu | Just so long as it isn't bad change |
| 16:08.28 | Tain | I wouldn't even put an addon on there. Well, I did once. But not anymore. |
| 16:08.35 | Legorol | let's say an AddOn hooks CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop |
| 16:08.43 | Legorol | the Blizz UI let's through CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart, |
| 16:08.53 | Legorol | and then when you try to release the right mouse, it pops up the error |
| 16:09.01 | Legorol | but it doesn't carry through with CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop |
| 16:09.15 | Legorol | the result: no mouse cursor, you are permanently stuck with right mouse button held down, |
| 16:09.20 | Legorol | and can't click Disable/Ignore |
| 16:09.27 | Wobin_ | woot, got the Atal'ai Gloves of Healing |
| 16:09.45 | Wobin_ | +42 healing =) |
| 16:10.17 | Tain | Well that's quite a different error, Legorol. :) |
| 16:10.45 | Legorol | i think that that is silly |
| 16:12.28 | ckknight | type /script CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop() ? |
| 16:13.09 | Legorol | well you could, i don't know if it works or not, since i don't seem to be able to 100% reproduce this problem |
| 16:13.20 | Legorol | however, it's still a silly situation, especially for an enduser |
| 16:14.36 | Legorol | Anyways, is there a comprehensive list of functions somewhere that requires hardware events, and list of functions that are not hookable? |
| 16:14.42 | Legorol | (the two being two separate things i beleive) |
| 16:14.59 | sarf|stuff | I think someone is trying to add info to WoW Wiki on that |
| 16:15.18 | Legorol | ok |
| 16:15.30 | Legorol | i was looking at Gello's post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=331202&p=1&tmp=1#post331202 |
| 16:15.44 | Legorol | in post #7 he lists a bunch of functions as being those that require a hardware event |
| 16:15.52 | Legorol | can someone explain to me why unhookable functions are in there? |
| 16:16.15 | Legorol | i mean how can you test in the first place if they need hardware event or not, if you can't even call these functions? |
| 16:16.20 | sarf|stuff | For the confusion factor. |
| 16:16.40 | Legorol | ok |
| 16:16.43 | Legorol | different question: |
| 16:16.49 | Legorol | which action in hooking is disallowed? |
| 16:16.53 | Legorol | getting the reference to the function, |
| 16:16.56 | Legorol | or calling the original |
| 16:17.09 | Legorol | hmm, i can test that myself :D |
| 16:18.49 | sarf|stuff | Hehehehe |
| 16:18.55 | sarf|stuff | <snort |
| 16:19.03 | sarf|stuff | I definitely need to make a Gnome Mage |
| 16:19.11 | sarf|stuff | Female or male, that's the problem |
| 16:19.30 | Legorol | female |
| 16:20.21 | Tain | You can still use functions that require hardware events, you just can't hook something else to them in addition to what they are doing. |
| 16:20.39 | Tain | So you will have unhookable functions on the list. |
| 16:28.18 | Legorol | ok, so far my testing shows otherwise |
| 16:28.28 | Legorol | for example, i am not able to call MoveForwardStart(); |
| 16:28.29 | Legorol | at all |
| 16:28.42 | Legorol | you see, it's not the "hooking" as such that is really blocked |
| 16:28.51 | Legorol | it's calling the original Blizz function from a macro or an AddOn that is being blocked |
| 16:28.56 | Legorol | at least as far as i can tell |
| 16:29.22 | Legorol | i can hook the functions perfectly fine.. it's just when my function tries to execute the original one, that's when the error pops up |
| 16:29.54 | Legorol | I don't think the system makes any distinction whatsoever about hooking |
| 16:30.00 | Legorol | the patch notes are misleading in this sense, i beleive |
| 16:30.18 | Legorol | no macro or AddOn code can call the original Blizzard MoveForwardStart, full stop |
| 16:30.35 | Legorol | this does have the desired effect that you can't usefully hook it |
| 16:30.57 | Legorol | if anyone finds the situation to be different, let me know |
| 16:31.29 | Legorol | I have tried with an AddOn that has a key binding trigger, and all I do in there is call the original MoveForwardStart. Not allowed. |
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| 16:34.13 | Tain | Ok, that's definitely not the way it was explained as "supposed" to work, so that's good info. |
| 16:34.44 | Legorol | why, how was it explained? |
| 16:34.52 | Legorol | i don't think it was explained in any way.. |
| 16:34.58 | Legorol | all that was stated in the patch note is that you can't hook it |
| 16:35.01 | Legorol | well, that is true.. you can't |
| 16:35.07 | Legorol | but not because there is a block on hooking as such |
| 16:35.49 | Legorol | fyi, /script MoveForwardStart() doesn't work either |
| 16:36.01 | Legorol | i beleive that anything executed via RunScript is under the same guard as an AddOn code |
| 16:36.05 | sarf|stuff | But /script CastSpellByName works now right? |
| 16:36.10 | Legorol | from chat box, yes |
| 16:36.14 | sarf|stuff | Alright :) |
| 16:36.25 | Beladona | MoveForwardStart obviously requires a hardware event |
| 16:36.26 | Legorol | i beleive they elevated the ChatFrame's code to allow spell casting |
| 16:36.31 | Legorol | Beladona: irrelevant |
| 16:36.37 | Beladona | how so? |
| 16:36.39 | Legorol | no macro or AddOn can ever call that function |
| 16:36.45 | Beladona | right |
| 16:36.52 | Legorol | at least i haven't found a way yet |
| 16:37.03 | Legorol | if we do, that'd be a privilege elevation exploit |
| 16:37.07 | Beladona | that does't stop the fact that it requires a hardware event |
| 16:37.12 | Beladona | even if it could be called |
| 16:37.13 | Legorol | well you can't test it |
| 16:37.22 | Legorol | there is absolutely no way to tell |
| 16:37.27 | Beladona | sure there is |
| 16:37.31 | Legorol | Blizz code might be able to call it without hardware event |
| 16:37.33 | Beladona | they said it a while back |
| 16:37.35 | Legorol | but that's not something we can test |
| 16:37.46 | Legorol | who? where? |
| 16:37.49 | Legorol | do you have a linkie? |
| 16:38.02 | Beladona | back when they were killing the autotravel |
| 16:38.04 | Legorol | sorry i came across a bit confrontational, i will tone my manners down |
| 16:38.06 | Maldivia | Beladona: pressing enter in the chat fram edit is now considered a hardware event |
| 16:38.10 | Beladona | I will look for it shortly |
| 16:38.14 | Legorol | yes i know about that |
| 16:38.23 | Legorol | before 1.10 MoveForwardStart did need a hardware event |
| 16:38.33 | Beladona | ok |
| 16:38.34 | Legorol | in 1.10, we can't establish it anymore whether it does or doesn't |
| 16:38.37 | Legorol | that's all i am trying to say |
| 16:38.41 | Beladona | so maybe they changed it, but why does it matter? |
| 16:38.50 | Legorol | exactly, it doesn't matter in the least |
| 16:39.00 | Legorol | since an AddOn will never be able to call it, unless you find a loophole |
| 16:39.14 | Maldivia | is it possible, with what we have available in WoW lua, to alter the trace stack? |
| 16:39.17 | Beladona | sounds like an aargument on semantics to me |
| 16:39.34 | Legorol | could be.. |
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| 16:39.39 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 16:39.51 | Legorol | all i am saying is that the statement "MoveForwardStart needs a hardware event" may or may not be true |
| 16:39.55 | Beladona | so, I finally got my char on test |
| 16:39.58 | Legorol | and at the moment, we have no way to determine if it is or isn't |
| 16:40.00 | Beladona | and now I can't log into it |
| 16:40.07 | Legorol | :( |
| 16:40.10 | Legorol | have you tried the contest servers? |
| 16:40.11 | Beladona | I think that is the point Lego |
| 16:40.17 | Legorol | at least in EU, they don't have queues |
| 16:40.25 | Beladona | it isn't supposed to be accessible |
| 16:40.28 | Beladona | to test or otherwise |
| 16:40.31 | Maldivia | Are any of the restricted methods called outside if the bindings file ? |
| 16:40.39 | Tain | Actually if sending enter to the chatframe is a hardware event that is not really a good thing. Just becasue it's far too easy to send an enter. |
| 16:40.52 | Legorol | Tain: not any easier then sending any other keypress |
| 16:41.12 | Legorol | besides, anything you enter in the chat box is executed as an ordinary macro |
| 16:41.13 | Tain | Eaiser in that it's all you have to send, instead of a string (command). |
| 16:41.17 | Legorol | so the same limitations apply to it |
| 16:41.26 | Maldivia | Tain: enter /cast Ice Armor and you'll cast Ice Armor (if you're a mage :) |
| 16:41.28 | Legorol | Tain: i don't get you, sorry |
| 16:41.47 | Legorol | you could, even until now, make a macro with /cast blah blah |
| 16:41.50 | Tain | That's ok Legorol, expounding on my point really only helps people automate in a way they shouldn't. |
| 16:41.52 | Legorol | and send a keypress to execute the macro |
| 16:42.26 | Legorol | i don't exactly see how being able to type a macro into the chat box and execute it with an enter is any different than typing a macro in the macro box and executing it with say pressing 1 |
| 16:42.35 | Tain | Sure, if you have the macro defined already. Adn have enough macro spaces. |
| 16:42.43 | Legorol | irrelevant.. |
| 16:42.46 | Legorol | you can keep rewriting the macro |
| 16:42.48 | Tain | No, it isn't. |
| 16:43.07 | Legorol | in exactly the same way as you can send an arbitrary text string into the chat box and then press enter, |
| 16:43.07 | Tain | I said "easier". |
| 16:43.09 | Tain | Not impossible. |
| 16:43.11 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 16:43.16 | Legorol | i guess it is a tiny bit easier |
| 16:43.25 | Legorol | but i don't think it fundamentally allows anything that wasn't possible already |
| 16:43.26 | Tain | Not to mention reducing overhead. |
| 16:43.34 | Tain | Great, then you're not arguing any point I made. |
| 16:43.37 | Legorol | ok |
| 16:43.46 | Legorol | then we agree that we were on slightly two different tangents |
| 16:44.05 | Legorol | i misunderstood you probably, since i beleived that your statement was about it being a *lot* easier |
| 16:44.18 | Legorol | e.g. flexible command entry vs. fixed macros |
| 16:44.54 | Tain | Yeah, lots of semantic argument that's off to the side of my thought. |
| 16:46.13 | Shouryuu | how's PvPed a bit on the PTR here? |
| 16:46.42 | Shouryuu | how good a holy priests? |
| 16:47.13 | Shouryuu | s/a/are/ |
| 16:47.28 | Legorol | ok, so patch notes say: |
| 16:47.30 | Legorol | "Addons and macros may not call or hook functions that initiate movement" |
| 16:47.49 | Legorol | This is somewhat misleading... they can hook functions, but can't call the original |
| 16:48.01 | Legorol | so unable to hook usefully |
| 16:49.14 | Shouryuu | so if you hook a movement function, you can't call that movement function, so you can't move? |
| 16:50.32 | Legorol | yep |
| 16:51.00 | Shouryuu | w00t, no more auto-Wotf or PvP trinket |
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| 16:52.24 | Ktron | Morning everyone |
| 16:52.59 | Shouryuu | hello |
| 16:54.16 | Tain | I could be remembering wrong, but I thought that macros have been unable to initiate movement for a while. |
| 16:54.17 | Josh_Borke | hello |
| 16:55.52 | Ktron | I realize I missed the beginning of the conversation, but movement is non-trivial, and I think non-trivial actions couldn't be performed in macros (or any way w/o a keypress) since... 1.6? |
| 16:57.23 | Beladona | Legorol |
| 16:57.31 | Beladona | how do you know you can hook it if you can't use it? |
| 16:57.41 | Beladona | there is nothing to verify that the hook was successful |
| 16:58.03 | Beladona | so in essence, the hook could very well fail as well |
| 17:00.42 | Ktron | Anyone remember the name of the program that lets you edit your savedvariables graphically? |
| 17:01.11 | Legorol | Beladona, i am making a post right now explaining it |
| 17:01.20 | Legorol | but essentially, the Lua code that does the hooking *can* be executed |
| 17:01.29 | Beladona | the code can |
| 17:01.38 | Beladona | but you have no way of knowing whether the global api is rejecting it |
| 17:01.40 | Legorol | e.g. oldMove = MoveForwardStart; function MoveForwardStart() ChatFrame1:AddMessage"helo"; oldMove(); end |
| 17:01.45 | Legorol | this will not throw an error |
| 17:01.50 | Beladona | right |
| 17:01.51 | Legorol | the error only occurs when you press the UP arrow |
| 17:01.53 | Beladona | it also will not work |
| 17:02.01 | Legorol | and only when it gets to the point of calling oldMove() |
| 17:02.03 | Beladona | which tells me it isn't hooking |
| 17:02.10 | Legorol | well it *is* hooking, just not usefully |
| 17:02.24 | Legorol | ok, this might be semantics, but.. |
| 17:02.26 | Beladona | ok, so when you move, does it send chat? |
| 17:02.30 | Legorol | yes |
| 17:02.37 | Beladona | really? |
| 17:02.39 | Legorol | when you press UP, "helo" is printed |
| 17:02.43 | Legorol | you just don't move |
| 17:02.53 | Legorol | try it with a /script from the chat box |
| 17:02.55 | Legorol | or from a macro |
| 17:02.56 | Beladona | right |
| 17:03.05 | Beladona | ok that means it does work, thats what I was asking |
| 17:03.16 | Beladona | y9ou just can't call the hooked function |
| 17:03.20 | Legorol | yes |
| 17:03.35 | Legorol | however, i now have evidence that suggests that macros and AddOns might behave differently |
| 17:03.51 | Legorol | because it looks like (still testing in progress) that an AddOn can't perform the hooking in the first place |
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| 17:04.14 | Beladona | so if you do that same function in an addon it doesn't work? |
| 17:04.19 | Beladona | only in a macro |
| 17:04.22 | Legorol | so it seems, but still testing |
| 17:04.27 | Beladona | interesting |
| 17:04.36 | Legorol | well, a macro is essnetially just calling RunScript |
| 17:04.47 | Beladona | right |
| 17:04.48 | Legorol | the difference is in privileges of RunScript and AddOn code |
| 17:04.55 | Legorol | you also get two different error messages |
| 17:05.18 | Legorol | if you do something naughty from RunScript (e.g. from a macro or chat box), you get |
| 17:05.19 | Legorol | "A macro script has been blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI". |
| 17:05.26 | Beladona | anyone on the test server? |
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| 17:05.34 | Beladona | I need you to tell people to log off so I can get on |
| 17:05.35 | Legorol | whereas doing something naughty from an AddOn throws |
| 17:05.35 | Kirkburn | Look at the number of downloads this mod got ... anything strike you as odd? http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1888 |
| 17:05.36 | Legorol | "<AddOnName> has been blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI". |
| 17:05.38 | Beladona | hehe |
| 17:06.48 | Beladona | that is the error you get Lego? |
| 17:06.54 | Beladona | is that new in 1.10? |
| 17:07.00 | Beladona | never seen that error |
| 17:07.08 | Kirkburn | That's the 1.10 thing |
| 17:07.24 | Kirkburn | I wish they'd stop putting in the middle of the screen |
| 17:07.46 | Kirkburn | So that generally error = death |
| 17:08.01 | Beladona | its in an error frame though right? |
| 17:08.16 | Kirkburn | I guess so, I haven't seen it |
| 17:08.38 | Kirkburn | Nothing new in the fonts.xml file (the only place I'd look) so I guess it's the same |
| 17:09.22 | Beladona | nothing new? |
| 17:09.31 | Legorol | ok, Beladona, i had a slight bug in my addon |
| 17:09.40 | Legorol | in fact AddOn privileges are no different than RunScript privileges |
| 17:09.47 | Beladona | kk |
| 17:09.50 | Beladona | that makes more sense |
| 17:09.53 | Legorol | an AddOn can hook perfectly fine, and then throws error when calls the original |
| 17:10.07 | Beladona | so the Macro simply doesn't throw the error |
| 17:10.11 | Kirkburn | (I meant no new lines mentioning a new error font or anything, Beladona) |
| 17:10.12 | Beladona | which it should |
| 17:10.27 | Legorol | no it does, when you press UP |
| 17:10.38 | Beladona | it wouldn't necessarily use a new font Kirkburn |
| 17:10.54 | Legorol | ok, both the macro and the AddOn can execute the Lua code that places the hook in place, and don't throw an error |
| 17:10.55 | Kirkburn | I know :) But that's the only reassurance I could offer |
| 17:11.07 | Beladona | ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN = "%s has been blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI.\nYou can disable this addon and reload the UI."; |
| 17:11.12 | Legorol | and both of them throw the error when you actually try to trigger the hooked function via UP |
| 17:11.30 | Beladona | interesting |
| 17:11.36 | Beladona | there is an ADDON_BANNED |
| 17:11.41 | Beladona | and ADDON_CORRUPT |
| 17:11.44 | Legorol | i think that's not implemented yet |
| 17:11.49 | Legorol | that;d be for signed addons |
| 17:11.50 | Beladona | I know |
| 17:11.56 | Legorol | well this whole blocking shows the future: |
| 17:11.58 | Beladona | its isn't new, its been there before 1.10 |
| 17:12.10 | Legorol | you will be able to sign, and signed addons will prolly get same privs as blizz UI |
| 17:12.17 | Legorol | now, let's see if we can find privilege elevation 'xploits.. |
| 17:12.21 | Legorol | anyway, off to make a post about this |
| 17:14.47 | Kirkburn | X-men 3 trailer - in HD! http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/ |
| 17:15.34 | Kirkburn | If anyone looks can they tell me if the speech is really quiet on their machine? |
| 17:19.13 | Wobin_ | The trailer? |
| 17:19.15 | Wobin_ | OMG Foreheads |
| 17:22.23 | Shouryuu | looks nic |
| 17:22.23 | Shouryuu | e |
| 17:22.49 | Shouryuu | better be better than X2 |
| 17:23.29 | Kirkburn | But no-one's got weird problems with the speech being really quiet? |
| 17:23.45 | Shouryuu | nope |
| 17:23.47 | Shouryuu | fine with me |
| 17:24.24 | Kirkburn | Strange |
| 17:24.31 | Kirkburn | Must be my decoder |
| 17:26.43 | Shouryuu | when is this coming out? |
| 17:31.22 | Legorol | Beladona, i posted my findings in Gelo's thread |
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| 17:34.47 | sarf|stuff | Hmm |
| 17:34.56 | sarf|stuff | How about a Gnome female named Agnus? |
| 17:35.00 | sarf|stuff | (it stands for sheep) |
| 17:35.07 | Cairenn|sleep | Cide, you there? |
| 17:35.12 | Cairenn|sleep | futrtrubl, you there? |
| 17:36.32 | Cide | Cairenn: yep |
| 17:37.04 | Cairenn | you may already be aware of these, but in case you aren't: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17298&postcount=4 |
| 17:37.24 | Cairenn | the first two are for you, the third is for futrtrubl |
| 17:37.35 | Cide | in fact I wasn't, thanks :) |
| 17:37.58 | Cairenn | the first one, for main buff, was on login |
| 17:38.07 | Cairenn | the second, for minibuff, was after I used a potion |
| 17:38.48 | Cairenn | the first, I had to deliberately crash out to get rid of |
| 17:39.20 | Cairenn | the second, I ended up having to disable CT_Buff completely to make it go away (although I was able to just camp) |
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| 17:41.54 | Cide | okay |
| 17:41.58 | Cide | I'll take a look, thanks |
| 17:42.01 | Cairenn | np |
| 17:42.51 | Legorol | Cairenn, the TradeSkill block issue seems genuine in the sense that lot of people are reporting random AddOns being blamed |
| 17:42.59 | Legorol | it looks like it's Blizz's fault |
| 17:43.17 | Cairenn | Legorol: yeah, I know, I filled Slouken in on it last night |
| 17:43.46 | Cairenn | told him about the 3 actions that seem to be causing it, he figures they are all the same bug, he's gonna try to track them down today |
| 17:43.48 | Osagasu | Where are you people playing? I still haven't been able to find any of you |
| 17:44.03 | Cairenn | I also sent him the two latest 'sploits that have been found |
| 17:49.45 | Beladona | mmmm, lunch |
| 17:50.52 | Beladona | so I got into test, but my char didn't copy. So I just made a newbie. Not like I will have time to test the high end stuff anyway |
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| 17:52.48 | Shouryuu | lol http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2003-09-23 |
| 17:53.44 | Shouryuu | and is D&D online out? |
| 17:54.38 | Beladona | I hope not |
| 17:54.42 | Legorol | hm, x-men trailer didn't work for me :/ |
| 17:54.48 | Beladona | it means I have to go wipe |
| 17:54.52 | Legorol | QuickTime keeps claiming something about "wrong atom in the file" or some such |
| 17:55.27 | [MoonWolf] | not really |
| 17:55.34 | Shouryuu | it's weird, I went to a store today and held a box of D&D Online Deluxe edition... |
| 17:56.12 | Shouryuu | it is http://www.ddo.com/index.php?page_id=20&pagebuilder[module]=article&pagebuilder[display_item]=384 |
| 17:56.50 | Shouryuu | do any of you know Dark and light. |
| 17:57.00 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, personal friends of mine... |
| 17:57.01 | [MoonWolf] | only by name |
| 17:57.20 | sarf|stuff | Or did you want a serious answer? ^^ |
| 17:57.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 17:57.40 | Shouryuu | looks like a massive MMO |
| 17:57.46 | Shouryuu | all on *one* server |
| 17:57.52 | Shouryuu | well rather one world |
| 17:58.11 | Beladona | I was asked to join their dev team 2.5 years ago |
| 17:58.16 | Beladona | Dark and Light |
| 17:58.27 | Shouryuu | anddd you said no? |
| 17:58.38 | Beladona | the guy that was asking me was a real slime ball |
| 17:58.44 | Beladona | so yeah, I said no |
| 17:59.03 | Shouryuu | well it looks fun |
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| 18:01.52 | Beladona | it looks ok |
| 18:02.11 | Beladona | the graphics technique they used is one I am kind of against |
| 18:02.19 | Beladona | but they aren't the only game to do that |
| 18:04.05 | Beladona | awesome. The new code I stuck in to make the experience bar hide via an option works great |
| 18:04.20 | Shouryuu | I'm not a great fan of their graphics |
| 18:04.25 | Beladona | I am so glad blizz changed the xp bar |
| 18:04.38 | Shouryuu | I don't really like that type of pseudo realis graphics |
| 18:04.51 | Shouryuu | WoW is fantansy as the game reflects it nicely |
| 18:05.10 | Shouryuu | s/as/and/ |
| 18:05.39 | ckknight | mmm....fantansy |
| 18:06.18 | Beladona | GW does graphics well |
| 18:06.19 | sarf|stuff | Okay, time to go whup Onyxia |
| 18:06.37 | Shouryuu | good luck :P |
| 18:06.38 | Beladona | glow effects are very useful in hiding graphical issues inherent in most models |
| 18:07.02 | Beladona | the first Star Wars Battlefront had an exceptional graphics engine |
| 18:07.22 | Beladona | without sacrificing performance |
| 18:07.38 | Beladona | proof that good graphics aren't about new advanced features |
| 18:07.40 | Shouryuu | never touched SW Battle front |
| 18:08.09 | Beladona | the engine in SWBF gave you the feeling that it was movie graphics |
| 18:08.18 | Beladona | right down to motion blur |
| 18:09.30 | Shouryuu | sounds rather nice :P |
| 18:09.42 | Legorol | Cairenn: fixed CharactersViewer (again) |
| 18:10.02 | Legorol | it was fixed once already, then got broken, and now it's re-fixed |
| 18:10.08 | Legorol | should be in Cosmos Alpha within the hour if you are interested |
| 18:10.25 | Legorol | (I'm talking about fixing it for 1.10) |
| 18:10.41 | Kirkburn | Fixtastic |
| 18:12.20 | futrtrubl | Beladona, may I steal your hiding code with credit? |
| 18:12.37 | [MoonWolf] | its not stealing if you put credit up. |
| 18:13.01 | futrtrubl | it is if the author doesn't want you to |
| 18:13.34 | Kirkburn | "Hey would you like Office 2007 code? It's by Microsoft." |
| 18:13.59 | Kirkburn | Credited, therefore okay :P |
| 18:14.03 | futrtrubl | quite ;'] |
| 18:14.29 | Kirkburn | I want my ribbons! |
| 18:14.39 | futrtrubl | ummm, ok |
| 18:15.24 | Kirkburn | Yay ribbons! |
| 18:15.24 | Beladona | sorry was afk |
| 18:15.31 | Beladona | yeah futrtrubl you can |
| 18:15.36 | Beladona | although it is pretty easy |
| 18:15.43 | Kirkburn | Ribbons: http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/default.aspx |
| 18:15.43 | futrtrubl | thank you Beladona |
| 18:15.53 | Beladona | all I am doing is hooking the ReputationWatchBar_Update function |
| 18:16.09 | futrtrubl | ahhh, the new stuff, cool |
| 18:16.09 | Beladona | and adding a conditional based on whether a setting is true or not |
| 18:16.18 | Kirkburn | I think it's disturbing how many of you are hookers. |
| 18:16.36 | Beladona | unfortunately it is the only way to do some things without breaking the original |
| 18:16.49 | Beladona | its a shame hooking doesn't pay well |
| 18:16.49 | futrtrubl | I've not hooked before, mainly because I don't want to be blamed for messing the UI up ;'] |
| 18:17.14 | Beladona | it has to be done with care |
| 18:17.23 | Beladona | and there are some things I will never hook |
| 18:19.34 | Shouryuu | how many tells can I send at once before getting d/ced for spamming? |
| 18:19.57 | futrtrubl | you? none |
| 18:20.00 | [MoonWolf] | tells , im not sure tells are throttled at all ? |
| 18:20.02 | Kirkburn | Teh ribbon! http://www.sunflowerhead.com/msimages/ContextualTabs-9-16-2005.png |
| 18:20.27 | Kirkburn | Is Shouryuu throttled at all? |
| 18:21.17 | futrtrubl | only if he spams in French |
| 18:22.15 | Shouryuu | if I were to do this http://pastebin.com/591122 what would be the value of k before I get d/ced? |
| 18:22.43 | [MoonWolf] | this is one of the GO FIND OUT type of experiments |
| 18:22.52 | Shouryuu | lol ok |
| 18:22.59 | [MoonWolf] | and get your account banned in the process |
| 18:23.27 | Kirkburn | Private channel? |
| 18:23.32 | futrtrubl | ;'] wish I could tell you Shouryuu, but my internet connection isn't allowing me to do anything but use IRC |
| 18:23.38 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 18:23.46 | Shouryuu | well I haven't got access to WoW anyways |
| 18:23.49 | Shouryuu | just curious :P |
| 18:24.11 | Shouryuu | but is spamming tells a bannable offence? |
| 18:24.12 | Kirkburn | Yes you are |
| 18:24.27 | Kirkburn | Suspension probably |
| 18:24.43 | Kirkburn | One step up the volcano of doom! |
| 18:24.48 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 18:24.51 | [MoonWolf] | Shouryuu, it falls in the category of harassment perfectly |
| 18:25.04 | futrtrubl | Shouryuu!! You fixed my internet!! |
| 18:25.12 | Shouryuu | Yeah I know I'm good |
| 18:25.21 | [MoonWolf] | make the message a link to a random gold selling site to get banned even faster. |
| 18:25.22 | Shouryuu | moonwolf - yeah I guess that makes sens |
| 18:25.26 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 18:26.03 | Kirkburn | In chinese, just to guarantee being reported |
| 18:26.17 | Shouryuu | I jsut want to do a "Hey, are you interested in running SomeInstanceHere?" instead of having to copy/paste and /whoing half of my server |
| 18:26.18 | futrtrubl | with swearing |
| 18:26.46 | ckknight | pfft...common |
| 18:27.16 | [MoonWolf] | wait for blizzard to bring out the improved LFG system |
| 18:27.41 | Shouryuu | yeah I guess |
| 18:27.51 | ckknight | improved LFG system? |
| 18:27.55 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 18:28.06 | ckknight | I don't know about this |
| 18:28.11 | futrtrubl | the one that had a sticky |
| 18:28.16 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 18:28.18 | [MoonWolf] | it was mentioned somewhere |
| 18:28.21 | ckknight | link? |
| 18:28.26 | [MoonWolf] | that they have been working on one |
| 18:28.30 | [MoonWolf] | dont have one |
| 18:28.31 | Shouryuu | and the sticky ended up full of people saying the same things |
| 18:29.20 | Kirkburn | "hunter weapon"? |
| 18:29.33 | Shouryuu | hehe |
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| 18:30.11 | Shouryuu | no they posted real long messages which basicly said "use CTA" |
| 18:30.39 | [MoonWolf] | i never read beyong post 5 or so |
| 18:30.52 | [MoonWolf] | was only interested in knowning they had been working on it. |
| 18:30.56 | Shouryuu | yeah I just perused the thread and that was my impression |
| 18:30.59 | Kirkburn | They have been working on the LFG system since launch :) |
| 18:31.00 | Shouryuu | yeah same |
| 18:31.04 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 18:31.22 | Kirkburn | Truth. So I'm expecting something amazing |
| 18:31.29 | Shouryuu | the thread kinda felt like blizz saying "Here, let's at least seem like we give a damn what you say" |
| 18:31.31 | futrtrubl | hunter weapon! |
| 18:31.46 | Shouryuu | rawr! |
| 18:32.06 | Kirkburn | "Due to popular request, the Thunderfury is now a hunter only weapon" |
| 18:32.53 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 18:33.06 | Kirkburn | What time is it in america PST? |
| 18:33.51 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17298&postcount=4 |
| 18:33.53 | Kirkburn | LF1M [Time] PST? |
| 18:34.00 | [MoonWolf] | lo |
| 18:34.21 | ckknight | it is 10:34 AM PST |
| 18:34.23 | [MoonWolf] | wtb more [Time] |
| 18:34.44 | Kirkburn | Test Realms: They are down for maintenance and have a current ETA of return to service at 11am PST. |
| 18:35.35 | Beladona | funny |
| 18:35.41 | Beladona | I am on the Test Server |
| 18:35.50 | Kirkburn | Newness! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/guildrelations.html |
| 18:35.54 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 18:35.57 | Shouryuu | what's that |
| 18:35.57 | Kirkburn | Contest realms then |
| 18:35.59 | Shouryuu | just saw it |
| 18:36.16 | Kirkburn | Eyonix's annoucement: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/7429312.htm |
| 18:36.16 | futrtrubl | thanks Cairenn, people are reporting that but I can't find the cause |
| 18:37.20 | Shouryuu | ok, look at the first few posts, and that forum is going to be like hell |
| 18:37.40 | ckknight | I want to have my guild declare war on another guild. |
| 18:37.50 | Wobin_ | guildwars? =) |
| 18:37.55 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:38.02 | Wobin_ | hehe Developing Fanfiction =) |
| 18:38.33 | Kirkburn | Hell in a handbasket |
| 18:39.09 | Kirkburn | Wonder how the EU equiv will start off |
| 18:39.17 | Kirkburn | I like to think we're more laid-back |
| 18:40.05 | Shouryuu | EU equiv? |
| 18:42.03 | Kirkburn | The english European Union World of Warcraft equivalent of the Guild Relations programme |
| 18:43.18 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 18:43.28 | Shouryuu | I am so tired/hungry |
| 18:44.09 | Shouryuu | lol not one post http://forums-fr.wow-europe.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-guildrelations-fr |
| 18:45.44 | Kirkburn | Ah, my eyes. The frenchness! |
| 18:46.03 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:46.22 | Beladona | futrtrubl: this isn't final, but it works pretty good for me thus far -- http://wow.pastebin.com/591174 |
| 18:46.50 | [MoonWolf] | The air sizzles as arcane energy flows through it. All at once the sky is too bright to look at and too dark to see. The raw, channeled energy surges past, and the great mage calls forth the power to his fingertips. His hands glow and the energy swells to bursting point and just as you think the world will explode he utters a word of power and the energy is released. The mage, exhausted from the effort, smiles happily with a sense of a |
| 18:46.50 | [MoonWolf] | chievement, then sits down to eat his newly conjured sandwich. |
| 18:47.19 | MentalPower | lol |
| 18:47.22 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 18:47.23 | Kirkburn | Oh dear: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=765678&p=1&tmp=1#post765678 |
| 18:48.05 | MentalPower | [MoonWolf]: where is that from? |
| 18:48.21 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/gadgetzan/gt002/ |
| 18:48.34 | futrtrubl | thanks Beladona |
| 18:49.07 | Beladona | futrtrubl: bear in mind you need to call ReputationWatchBar_Update in your on/off switch function for it to actually do anything |
| 18:51.09 | futrtrubl | cool, am I reading this right and you just hide the xp bar and not the reputation bar? |
| 18:52.04 | Beladona | yes |
| 18:52.12 | Beladona | the old function handles that |
| 18:52.24 | futrtrubl | k, I can make this simpler then as I'll be hiding both |
| 18:52.28 | Beladona | I just move it to where it should be if the xp bar is or isn't there |
| 18:53.27 | Beladona | wouldn't you want to also turn off any watchbar option they have checked? |
| 18:53.38 | Beladona | that way it is backwards compatible with the default UI |
| 18:54.05 | Beladona | otherwise they are going to try to enable a watchbar for a faction, and do "why isn't it showing up?" |
| 18:54.44 | Shouryuu | I need to see the new XPbar |
| 18:54.48 | Beladona | I think my next addon my be WatchBar Expanded |
| 18:54.57 | Beladona | multiple watchbars |
| 18:55.26 | Kirkburn | You really need an equivalent of this in the US forums: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=883462 |
| 18:56.27 | futrtrubl | Beladona, yes, I should dissable watchbar options... or coopt them for myself ;'] |
| 18:59.02 | Kirkburn | The EU (english) general forum now has 19 stickies |
| 19:01.07 | [MoonWolf] | thundgot should do some cleaning up |
| 19:01.24 | Shouryuu | aye |
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| 19:05.47 | Shouryuu | argh |
| 19:06.17 | Shouryuu | I hate it when windows seem to be maximized, but are just a bit smalled, so you move your mose to the top right to close them, and end up closing the window behind it |
| 19:09.16 | Shouryuu | and I hate not being able to see embeded subtitles |
| 19:12.08 | Kirkburn | That thread I linked earlier, some of the stuff the guys suggests makes him look incredibly stupid |
| 19:12.47 | Kirkburn | Apparently Draenei were once humans :s |
| 19:13.32 | Shouryuu | shit happens I guess |
| 19:14.06 | Beladona | isn't there an aticle somewhere covering color codes in the TOC file? |
| 19:14.42 | Kirkburn | "Who is in the tower Medivh?" ... "Doubt it will be Medivh himself. And there was lots of evil inside the tower before medivh used it." <-- has he actually played this game? |
| 19:16.41 | Kirkburn | He lost all credibility with that statement (assuming he actually meant what he wrote) |
| 19:19.50 | [MoonWolf] | he is partially right |
| 19:20.01 | [MoonWolf] | draenei once looked very similar to humans. |
| 19:20.21 | [MoonWolf] | but due to thier world beying all fucked up they got fucked up in the process. |
| 19:20.28 | Kirkburn | Humanoid would be better |
| 19:20.43 | Wobin_ | It would fit better into the Pretty Alliance thing =P |
| 19:20.46 | [MoonWolf] | everything with two heads and a head is humanoid |
| 19:20.53 | Kirkburn | This is true |
| 19:20.58 | Kirkburn | I meant human-like |
| 19:20.59 | [MoonWolf] | legs... |
| 19:21.03 | [MoonWolf] | yes human like |
| 19:22.41 | Shouryuu | Anyone here know VobSUb? |
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| 19:25.05 | Shouryuu | aaarghhh |
| 19:25.12 | kremonte | i concur. aaarghhh |
| 19:25.45 | Shouryuu | why won't my sutitles showwwwww |
| 19:25.54 | Kirkburn | aaarghhh |
| 19:26.16 | Shouryuu | watching a movie in a foreign language is NO fun |
| 19:26.28 | Kirkburn | Using what MPC? |
| 19:26.43 | Shouryuu | MPC? |
| 19:26.50 | Kirkburn | media player classic |
| 19:27.15 | Shouryuu | VLC opens the files, but no subs |
| 19:27.22 | Shouryuu | BS player doesn't open the file |
| 19:27.45 | Stylpe | Are the subs included in the video file, or are they in a separate file? |
| 19:28.12 | Shouryuu | seperate |
| 19:28.20 | Stylpe | And you know they're good? |
| 19:28.23 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 19:28.26 | Shouryuu | watched the movie before |
| 19:28.37 | Stylpe | VLC has a menu option for manually loading subs |
| 19:28.48 | Shouryuu | yeah I know |
| 19:28.52 | Stylpe | So does MPC |
| 19:28.53 | Shouryuu | but it won't recognized them |
| 19:29.09 | Kirkburn | Try mpc |
| 19:29.33 | Shouryuu | appppppparently, they should be embeded subs, but I need to use DirectVobSub to embed them, and I ain't managing |
| 19:29.37 | Shouryuu | yeah getting MPC atm |
| 19:30.16 | Stylpe | Also, try http://cccp-project.net/ |
| 19:30.19 | Shouryuu | w00t i crashed |
| 19:30.33 | Shouryuu | I really suck with computers |
| 19:30.53 | Stylpe | OMG Stop using them! Computers hate nubs like you! :P |
| 19:31.05 | Shouryuu | Run away, run awau! |
| 19:31.11 | Shouryuu | s/awau/away/ |
| 19:31.15 | Stylpe | I think i can hear it! "Help me! Help me!" |
| 19:31.21 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:31.45 | Stylpe | "He touched my registry!" |
| 19:32.09 | Shouryuu | *gasp* |
| 19:32.26 | [MoonWolf] | lol; |
| 19:32.35 | Stylpe | Oh well. Check out the link I pasted. I'm going back to C++ and Qt |
| 19:32.46 | Shouryuu | I love you! MPC works! |
| 19:32.52 | Stylpe | Good for you =) |
| 19:33.05 | Shouryuu | Howl's moving castle, here I come! |
| 19:33.43 | Stylpe | Qt is fun btw =) |
| 19:35.27 | [MoonWolf] | One day in school i was playing with my firewall settings and i asked a classmate to finger my pc |
| 19:35.35 | [MoonWolf] | that was an awkward situation |
| 19:39.39 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 19:40.38 | [MoonWolf] | i dont think you people are nerdy enough to know what finger does |
| 19:41.05 | Shouryuu | not I |
| 19:45.25 | Cairenn | if someone remembers to, could you ask guillotine to send me the mini-addon to spoof system messages, please? cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 19:46.47 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, leave him a memo |
| 19:47.29 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.46 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.51 | [MoonWolf] | god damnit |
| 19:47.55 | [MoonWolf] | memoserv* |
| 19:49.50 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: thanks, first time I tried using memoserv |
| 19:50.01 | [MoonWolf] | np |
| 19:50.07 | [MoonWolf] | its perfect for things like this |
| 19:50.14 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:50.22 | Cairenn | and yeah, I know ... lern2IRC |
| 19:50.30 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:54.09 | Kirkburn | Wait, did Shouryuu say he loves me? |
| 19:54.26 | Kirkburn | the things you miss when you go to the shower ... |
| 19:54.39 | Beladona | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4691 |
| 19:54.46 | Beladona | test server beta |
| 19:57.59 | Kirkburn | Why isn't it in the Beta section then? :P |
| 19:58.23 | Beladona | because I didn't want to |
| 19:58.36 | Beladona | I like having it linked to directly from the main addon |
| 19:58.40 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:58.47 | Kirkburn | Power abuser |
| 19:59.01 | Beladona | how is that power |
| 19:59.05 | Beladona | you can do it too |
| 19:59.26 | Kirkburn | I don't abuse the system. It supposed to keep you down ... |
| 19:59.38 | Beladona | mmk |
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| 20:00.02 | Kirkburn | Well, er ... you smell |
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| 20:03.11 | Maldivia | *smirk* |
| 20:05.06 | Josh_Borke | you should make a circular xp bar :-D |
| 20:07.45 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 20:07.56 | AnduinLothar | saw a circular casting bar the other day.. |
| 20:07.57 | Kirkburn | moo |
| 20:08.26 | Shouryuu | loool |
| 20:08.37 | Shouryuu | the monsters is this animer are called "cherubins" |
| 20:08.48 | Shouryuu | in french, a cherubins is a cute little ki |
| 20:08.48 | Shouryuu | d |
| 20:08.57 | Kirkburn | Any seraphims? |
| 20:09.18 | AnduinLothar | cherabims are angels with 6 or 8 wings aren't they? |
| 20:09.26 | ckknight | 6 |
| 20:09.31 | Kirkburn | (btw, cherubs are the same translation in english) |
| 20:09.39 | ckknight | two covering their head, two their chest and two their legs |
| 20:09.42 | Kirkburn | And yeah cherabims are the little angels |
| 20:09.52 | Shouryuu | ahhh then it must have ms-translated in the subs |
| 20:10.00 | ckknight | they aren't little |
| 20:10.07 | AnduinLothar | thought it was eyes/chest/feet, but i spose that's similar |
| 20:10.19 | ckknight | it is, Anduin |
| 20:10.24 | ckknight | but the feet is a translation issue |
| 20:10.29 | ckknight | it literally translates to feet |
| 20:10.41 | ckknight | but it's really covering their entire legs/crotch area/feet |
| 20:10.51 | Kirkburn | A cherubim: http://www.sirrobin.com/30114(2).jpg |
| 20:11.13 | AnduinLothar | well, i don't think the bible's that specific, but i think that part's in latin, I spose I could translate it myself |
| 20:11.16 | Josh_Borke | AnduinLothar: iriel did something like that |
| 20:11.44 | AnduinLothar | that's a cherub, not the same |
| 20:11.50 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, actually, that's Old Testament stuff |
| 20:12.02 | AnduinLothar | thought it was in revalations.. |
| 20:12.07 | Kirkburn | "The second highest rank of the Angelic Order. |
| 20:12.07 | Kirkburn | " |
| 20:12.09 | ckknight | yes, they are in there as well |
| 20:12.29 | ckknight | but it talks about the order of Angels in Genesis as well |
| 20:12.44 | AnduinLothar | ah, yes i think i remember that |
| 20:12.50 | Kirkburn | "In the Bible the Cherubim appear as distinct from the angels who are Jehovah's messengers, while the cherubim are found where God is personally present: eg "And he [God] rode upon a cherub." (Psalms 18: 10). Figures of Cherubim were wrought into the hangings of the Holy of Holies and were represented above the Mercy Seat within. In later tradition, the Cherubim were included among the nine orders of angels. |
| 20:13.10 | AnduinLothar | i didn't really pay attention to them until i read that fictional series... with the tesseracts |
| 20:13.11 | ckknight | yea, that's right |
| 20:13.56 | Kirkburn | Meanwhile, seraphim: The first of the nine orders of angels in medieval angelology, sometime portrayed as fiery serpents with wings (plural of seraph) |
| 20:14.03 | AnduinLothar | ya, and in the books they ride a cherubim a few times... fiction of course, based on biblical creatures |
| 20:14.48 | AnduinLothar | ah ok, looks liek we got cherubim in genisis and exodus |
| 20:14.53 | Shouryuu | so.... hungry |
| 20:14.57 | Kirkburn | What books are we talking about now? |
| 20:15.08 | AnduinLothar | samual, kings too |
| 20:15.12 | Maldivia | hmm... RunBinding("JUMP") ... I guess that's what you can call a slip :) |
| 20:15.20 | AnduinLothar | i'd have to look up the series name and author |
| 20:16.00 | AnduinLothar | here we go: A Wrinkle In Time, by Madeleine L'Engle |
| 20:16.05 | AnduinLothar | that series |
| 20:16.24 | AnduinLothar | uses biblical alusions, stories and creatures mixed with sci-fi |
| 20:16.32 | AnduinLothar | pretty nifty |
| 20:16.35 | AnduinLothar | old school |
| 20:16.56 | AnduinLothar | go go wikipedia |
| 20:17.08 | Kirkburn | Aha, a cherubim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cherub1.jpg |
| 20:17.24 | Kirkburn | Yeah, the other pic was a cherub, but it seems many use the words interchangeably |
| 20:17.36 | AnduinLothar | fairly certain cherubs aren't biblical... not sure |
| 20:17.49 | AnduinLothar | cherubims |
| 20:17.53 | Kirkburn | From wiki: In English usage, cherubs is also an acceptable plural form, especially for "baby angels" |
| 20:18.02 | AnduinLothar | meh, lies |
| 20:18.17 | Kirkburn | (wiki wiki waa waa, we're going straiht to hell, hell, hell) |
| 20:18.19 | AnduinLothar | commonly accepted maybe, but not based on anything |
| 20:18.36 | AnduinLothar | except maybe misinformation |
| 20:19.02 | AnduinLothar | ok karl's confused maybe |
| 20:19.17 | AnduinLothar | says cherubim is plural of cherub. |
| 20:19.24 | AnduinLothar | that sounds right.. |
| 20:19.35 | Kirkburn | Names attributed to this angelic order: Uriel |
| 20:19.48 | Kirkburn | (also, er, Lucifer) |
| 20:19.54 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 20:20.12 | Kirkburn | Beelzebub too |
| 20:20.21 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I know little 'bible lore' |
| 20:20.45 | AnduinLothar | cherubim were what was carved in gold on top of the ark of the covenant |
| 20:20.52 | AnduinLothar | think it was gold. |
| 20:21.01 | Kirkburn | afaik |
| 20:21.08 | Kirkburn | Indiana Jones was pretty close |
| 20:21.18 | AnduinLothar | those only had 2 wings i think |
| 20:22.02 | AnduinLothar | ah, overlaid in gold |
| 20:22.30 | Kirkburn | I made up "kirkburn" myself, yet ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkburn |
| 20:23.27 | Kirkburn | You have Ashkandi, I have The Kirkburn Sword |
| 20:24.40 | Wobin_ | PS AL? A Wrinkle in Time? |
| 20:24.51 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 20:25.06 | Wobin_ | I haven't read that in ages |
| 20:25.10 | AnduinLothar | ah, there we go. the ark's cherubim were olivewood plated in gold |
| 20:25.29 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 20:25.57 | Kirkburn | If I'd actually thought about it I would have got out last month's Fortean Times since it was the cover story |
| 20:27.20 | AnduinLothar | ya, the Wrinkle in Time series is goodness |
| 20:27.42 | AnduinLothar | lil vague on details, but it leaves it for your imagination |
| 20:27.51 | Kirkburn | (they were suggesting it was a massive capacitor type thing) |
| 20:27.58 | AnduinLothar | lol, what? |
| 20:28.14 | AnduinLothar | for the tesela coil that killed people when they touched it? |
| 20:28.20 | Kirkburn | Yes, kind of |
| 20:28.37 | Kirkburn | it certainly fits in with most of the bible description |
| 20:28.51 | AnduinLothar | interesting idea |
| 20:29.15 | Kirkburn | My copy is actually over 1000km so I can't expound it here |
| 20:29.29 | Kirkburn | The main problem was that the top was also plated, which wouldn't work |
| 20:29.55 | Wobin_ | Why not? |
| 20:30.31 | AnduinLothar | it's fun to try to rationalize biblical stories, tho most of the time if it's not explained they didn't know how it happened or told it that way to create awe... so de-mystifying it is almost an injustice, tho typical for scientific progress |
| 20:31.02 | AnduinLothar | but ya the whole thing was plated i think |
| 20:31.23 | AnduinLothar | i could be wrong... might have jsut been the cherubim |
| 20:33.17 | Kirkburn | I'd love to explain how/why but it don't have the FT with me |
| 20:33.50 | Kirkburn | Except I do remember the capacitor thing |
| 20:34.02 | Kirkburn | Imagine a glass jar with a plastic lid |
| 20:34.31 | Kirkburn | Glass plated with metal on the inside and outside, two metal robs sticking straight down thru the lid |
| 20:34.58 | Kirkburn | There's more to it than that, but that's the basic design |
| 20:35.30 | Kirkburn | The problem with the ark theory is that the lid was apparently plated, thus preventing any charge build up |
| 20:35.44 | Wobin_ | Could it be plated with something else? |
| 20:36.27 | Wobin_ | Gotta sleep =) |
| 20:36.29 | Wobin_ | gnight all |
| 20:38.03 | Kirkburn | nn |
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| 20:51.36 | AnduinLothar | kirkburn, are you trolling the cosmos forums again.. |
| 20:52.34 | Djanee | Anyone know of a way to stop a channeled spell in macro or lua? SpellStopCasting doesn't work for channeled spells... |
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| 20:56.44 | Kirkburn | me? |
| 20:56.50 | Kirkburn | Surely not |
| 20:56.59 | Djanee | =) |
| 20:57.45 | Kirkburn | I don't know how you cope with some of the people on there |
| 20:57.57 | Kirkburn | Djanee, is that for 1.10? |
| 20:58.54 | Djanee | well I don't think SpellStopCasting has ever worked on channeled spells. but it becomes important in 1.10 since you can't click the spell again to recast a channeled spell in 1.19 |
| 20:58.57 | Djanee | err 1.10 |
| 20:59.50 | Djanee | say for my Drain Soul...I notice that I've been getting hit so the casting time is down to like 2 secs. In 1.9 you can just click drain soul again and it recasts the spell. In 1.10 it doesn't anymore |
| 21:00.12 | Djanee | you have to stop the cast (movement best way I know of so far) then recast |
| 21:00.29 | Kirkburn | hmm, not sure |
| 21:00.53 | Kirkburn | That would be pretty damn annoying tho |
| 21:00.53 | Djanee | so I was thinking a macro for StopSpellCasting() CastSpellByName("Drain Soul (Rank 1)") would be a logical choice |
| 21:01.05 | Kirkburn | It's how I normally use Siphon Life |
| 21:01.14 | Djanee | but stopspellcasting doesn't work on channeled spells |
| 21:01.44 | Djanee | yeah it's gonna hurt a lot of classes..warlocks with drain life, priests with mind vision, etc |
| 21:03.00 | Djanee | who knows if it'll go live that way, but it's not fun and no real way around it that I can see so far\ |
| 21:08.54 | Tem | it would be fine if it went live that way provided there was an easy way around it |
| 21:09.12 | Tem | say, a toggle option |
| 21:09.39 | Tem | I would very much like to be able to spam my arcane missiles button for Vael |
| 21:09.53 | Tem | but I would prefer the old behavior for mind vision |
| 21:10.07 | Tem | actually, will it be possible to mind vision around anymore? |
| 21:10.13 | Tem | because that's crazy fun |
| 21:10.30 | Djanee | yeah that's the concern |
| 21:11.03 | Djanee | There's a post bout it on the test realm forum asking if it's intentional...10 pages of concerned people and no blue response |
| 21:11.25 | Djanee | and I'm sure there's lots more lurkers like myself that haven't posted but just watchin for a blue post |
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| 21:28.47 | Beladona | mm, just realized something. I should be adding an option to make my xp bar horizontal or vertical |
| 21:33.33 | Kirkburn | Circular! |
| 21:33.53 | Beladona | heh |
| 21:33.53 | Kirkburn | Like round the minimap? |
| 21:34.07 | Kirkburn | Or around the player portrait? |
| 21:34.07 | Beladona | I had plans for that a while back |
| 21:34.13 | Beladona | just never went through with it |
| 21:34.49 | Beladona | I wanted to make a full ui that had a bar at the top, similar to WC3, and the map in the middle of that bar. The HP, Power, and XP would be around it |
| 21:49.27 | Josh_Borke | Beladona: i have some code that puts the XP bar around the minimap, if you'd like it. I got bored with the mod because i never cared about my XP bar that much. |
| 21:49.34 | Josh_Borke | Beladona: it just uses iriel's statrings code, but i can mail it to you, if you'd like |
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| 21:58.17 | Beladona | that would be fine Josh, beladona@tampabay.rr.com |
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| 22:02.40 | Kirkburn | Some people are very excitable - such as putting up new versions of their mod modified for 1.10 already (not as a beta or anything) |
| 22:03.00 | Kirkburn | ... with a toc saying 11000 |
| 22:04.56 | Kirkburn | This same person who has a mod that competes slightly with autobuff said "Note: AutoBuff is broken on the test server" ... a little disingenuous given that the AutoBuff dev hasn't gone anywhere |
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| 22:08.47 | Codayus | heh |
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| 22:16.47 | Shouryuu | night folks |
| 22:17.38 | Kirkburn | night all |
| 22:22.17 | Ktron[wow] | Quick macro question help... I'm trying to remember the command I can execute in game to get the name of a parent of a frame... something like /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetName:GetParent(Framename)) or something like that? |
| 22:25.10 | AnduinLothar | Framename:GetParent():GetName() |
| 22:31.29 | Ktron[wow] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.09 | Tain | Ktron that should work, that's exactly what I use. |
| 23:00.43 | sarf|stuff | Unless of course coolDownButton1 would not happen to have a parent. |
| 23:03.57 | AnduinLothar | lol... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I0WfnhVs2s |
| 23:05.16 | AnduinLothar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCIF6JF1O5U |
| 23:14.03 | Ktron[wow] | doesn't everyone frame have a parent? |
| 23:15.01 | Tem | Ktron[wow]: no |
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| 23:33.59 | Guillotine | Cairenn|afk: sent you the email you requested :) |
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| 23:38.01 | Cairenn|afk | guillotine: thanks |
| 23:39.41 | guillotine | think you can get into the guild relations program by making a useful addon for guilds? |
| 23:39.51 | Osagasu | I doubt it |
| 23:40.07 | Osagasu | Nurfed might be able to get in though. :P |
| 23:41.00 | guillotine | curse maybe |
| 23:41.07 | guillotine | since it technically is a guild |
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| 23:42.48 | Tain | Nurf curse! |
| 23:44.43 | guillotine_ | is the /script RunBinding("MOVEFORWARD") going to be fixed on the test realms? |
| 23:45.01 | Guillotine | I hope not... |
| 23:45.12 | Guillotine | though then there's really not much reason for them to disable jump or movement |
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| 23:47.07 | Tain | Bliz Bliz will make ya.. Jump Jump |
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