| 00:00.14 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:00.22 | kremonte | has anybody had this problem? |
| 00:00.23 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/images/dust2_1.jpg |
| 00:00.23 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/images/dust2_2.jpg |
| 00:00.23 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/images/dust2_3.jpg |
| 00:00.28 | kremonte | i get it in WoW and CS |
| 00:01.00 | Guillotine | yah. its commonly caused by not complimenting Guillotine enough |
| 00:01.04 | Guillotine | or getting Iriel pissed |
| 00:01.21 | kremonte | guillotine, i love you. and i've never gotten iriel pissed that i know of |
| 00:01.24 | kremonte | it's not fixed. |
| 00:01.33 | Guillotine | hmmm |
| 00:01.33 | kremonte | guil, i re-hate you |
| 00:01.48 | Guillotine | have you used RegisterForSave? |
| 00:01.56 | kremonte | in CS? |
| 00:02.01 | kremonte | interesting. |
| 00:02.01 | Guillotine | ever. in WoW |
| 00:02.04 | kremonte | no. |
| 00:02.09 | Guillotine | hmmmmm |
| 00:02.48 | Kirov | kremonte - I used to get that, usually when my video card was overheating. |
| 00:03.02 | kremonte | i considered that, but neither side of the case is on, and it's still doing it |
| 00:03.04 | Kirov | Or I alt-tabbed out |
| 00:03.10 | kremonte | still happens when windowed. |
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| 00:03.28 | Kirov | what video card? |
| 00:03.32 | kremonte | 7800gt |
| 00:04.08 | Guillotine | try opening cmd and type "format c:\" |
| 00:04.22 | kremonte | i/gnore Guillotine |
| 00:04.23 | kremonte | mt |
| 00:04.26 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:04.29 | Guillotine | <3 |
| 00:05.33 | Iriel | kremonte : You can also get that problem with broken drivers |
| 00:05.36 | wereHamster | bash: format: command not found ? |
| 00:06.25 | kremonte | Iriel: considered that as well. uninstalled, cleaned, and reinstalled all drivers twice, and nothing new =/ |
| 00:06.48 | Osagasu | Maybe its simply a bad card |
| 00:06.52 | Cairenn | back |
| 00:07.05 | Osagasu | Didja get Jamocha? 8) |
| 00:07.29 | kremonte | it could be the card? sigh |
| 00:07.31 | Cairenn | mint chocolate chip blizzard for daughter, skor blizzard for me |
| 00:07.33 | kremonte | i can't afford to get a new one |
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| 00:08.03 | Osagasu | yea |
| 00:08.14 | kremonte | ...Jamocha? |
| 00:08.19 | kremonte | this is an XTX |
| 00:08.24 | Osagasu | when I first got my 6600 GT it wouldn't play a 3d game worth a crap. I had to replace it |
| 00:08.31 | Osagasu | I meant ice cream, kremonte |
| 00:08.39 | kremonte | oh, lol |
| 00:08.41 | Osagasu | Jamocha is a flavor that Baskin Robins makes |
| 00:09.06 | Cairenn | didn't go to Baskin Robins, hit up the DQ that's just around the corner from me |
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| 00:09.19 | Osagasu | There are 5 baskin robins in my town |
| 00:09.41 | Osagasu | Out of those five I can get over 100 flavors. I just have to know where and when |
| 00:09.42 | Cairenn | oh, there's more than that here, but most of them are in the malls |
| 00:09.46 | kremonte | well Osagasu |
| 00:09.49 | kremonte | it can PLAY the games |
| 00:09.56 | kremonte | they play fine. except for the polygons gone wild =/ |
| 00:10.14 | Miravlix | Is US starting to go up, so we can get all the kids out of here? :) |
| 00:10.16 | kremonte | for example, i can remedy it in WoW by /console gxrestart repeatedly =/ |
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| 00:10.54 | Osagasu | kremonte, you know as well as I do that bugs come in a range of styles and seriousness |
| 00:11.05 | kremonte | yar |
| 00:11.11 | kremonte | but i don't know what yproblem you were getting |
| 00:11.15 | Osagasu | I could run OpenGL for a few minutes, and DX broke in seconds. |
| 00:11.27 | Osagasu | I mean broke. wild polygons then splat |
| 00:11.30 | Osagasu | hard reset |
| 00:11.56 | kremonte | ah =/ |
| 00:11.59 | kremonte | well then i'm SOL |
| 00:12.17 | Osagasu | I had to reinstall my 4400 until the replacement card came |
| 00:12.27 | kremonte | i have no other cards |
| 00:12.33 | Osagasu | uh ohs |
| 00:12.38 | kremonte | all of em died |
| 00:12.42 | Osagasu | Guys, on the login screen |
| 00:12.49 | Osagasu | look |
| 00:12.51 | Osagasu | >.< |
| 00:13.30 | Kirov | another hour |
| 00:13.32 | Kirov | joy |
| 00:13.40 | ckknight | I see nothing. |
| 00:13.54 | Osagasu | no ETA on replair |
| 00:13.58 | Osagasu | *repair |
| 00:14.38 | ckknight | blast! |
| 00:14.45 | Osagasu | Ohkay... |
| 00:14.59 | Osagasu | Who's up for some halflife? I bet I can find a nice, nearly empty server. >.> |
| 00:15.09 | kremonte | what on HL? |
| 00:15.11 | kremonte | CS~? |
| 00:15.15 | kremonte | i can play 1.6 fine ^_^ |
| 00:15.19 | Kirov | "We've run into some issues with bringin up the realms. We hope to have them life as soon as possible, but we don't have a currentETA to provede at this time. We appolgize for the inconvenience, and we'll provide and update at approximately 5:00 PM PST. |
| 00:15.19 | Kirov | Thank you for your patience in this matter. |
| 00:15.33 | kremonte | APPOLGIZE |
| 00:15.48 | Osagasu | err, well |
| 00:15.53 | Osagasu | HL2 / CS:S |
| 00:15.57 | Osagasu | I don't have the originals |
| 00:16.10 | Kirov | it's spelled correctly on the screen. mis-typed it when retyping it here |
| 00:18.13 | kremonte | well osagasu |
| 00:18.18 | kremonte | my css is the one thats messed up |
| 00:18.21 | kremonte | =/ |
| 00:18.53 | Osagasu | I also know a nice little RTS with an online mode and a robust scripting system |
| 00:19.00 | Osagasu | :> |
| 00:20.08 | Crispix | The heck? |
| 00:20.16 | Crispix | I log on to the forums.. and my main toon is missing? |
| 00:20.55 | Cairenn | Crispix: chill out, will you? that happens all the time when the game is down and the boards are being hammered and everything |
| 00:21.02 | Cairenn | it's not like this is anything new |
| 00:21.27 | Gryphen | hello! patch day! why even question it :p |
| 00:23.33 | Osagasu | Now if he wasn't there tomorrow |
| 00:23.39 | Osagasu | you'd have reason to worry |
| 00:24.04 | ToastTheif | nah |
| 00:24.09 | ToastTheif | I deleted my main once |
| 00:24.16 | ToastTheif | got him restored pretty easy |
| 00:24.20 | ToastTheif | took a day tho >< |
| 00:24.38 | Ktron | yeah, I did that accidentally too |
| 00:24.44 | Ktron | just once though |
| 00:24.49 | Osagasu | I did that once when I was drunk. it never occured to me that I might have been able to restore him until about three months later until someone else did it |
| 00:25.10 | Ktron | were they able to restore him 3 months later still? |
| 00:25.20 | Osagasu | Well, I didn't bother |
| 00:25.36 | Osagasu | by then I have a character that was his level of the same name on the same server |
| 00:25.43 | Osagasu | s/gave/had |
| 00:25.54 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.01 | Osagasu | *have |
| 00:26.03 | Osagasu | bah |
| 00:26.04 | Ktron | heh |
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| 00:31.09 | ToastTheif_ | hello? |
| 00:31.22 | Cairenn | hi |
| 00:31.29 | ToastTheif_ | arrr why do people have to steal my name |
| 00:31.29 | Gryphen | heya |
| 00:31.45 | ToastTheif | mean old people |
| 00:32.06 | Natasem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.09 | Natasem | grrr |
| 00:32.13 | Natasem | wrong command |
| 00:32.49 | kremonte | ... |
| 00:32.58 | Osagasu | *LMAO* |
| 00:33.00 | kremonte | i can't get a return on the graphics card |
| 00:33.10 | kremonte | We apologize for the inconvenience, but the item you are looking for has been deactivated. Here are some similar products that you may wish to consider |
| 00:33.12 | Osagasu | he tried to /camp |
| 00:34.21 | ckknight | use tactics |
| 00:35.47 | Osagasu | kremonte, someone in the #Maelstrom IRC channel has a CS 1.6 server up: 72.37.147.9:27015 DE_AZTEC |
| 00:35.58 | kremonte | #Maelstrom? |
| 00:36.06 | Osagasu | its on wowirc |
| 00:36.13 | kremonte | well |
| 00:36.16 | kremonte | i'll go in a min i guess |
| 00:36.20 | kremonte | i'm waiting to chat with a newegg rep |
| 00:37.31 | L|Elviso | any CTRA devs in here perchance? |
| 00:37.41 | kremonte | dev no, but i screw with mine alot :D |
| 00:37.47 | L|Elviso | the boss mods? |
| 00:37.57 | kremonte | si |
| 00:38.22 | L|Elviso | do you know the use of CT_RABoss_SetVar() ? |
| 00:38.27 | kremonte | no :O |
| 00:38.28 | L|Elviso | as in CT_RABoss_SetVar("Twin Emperors", "tripTeleport", nil); |
| 00:40.29 | L|Elviso | hrmm i think i got it, would just like affirmation |
| 00:41.12 | kremonte | wtf is a 7800GS? |
| 00:41.35 | ToastTheif | video card? |
| 00:42.01 | ckknight | nVidia, it seems |
| 00:42.02 | Osagasu | ya |
| 00:42.07 | Ktron | Any ETA yet? |
| 00:42.20 | Osagasu | Its the economy class of the 7800 card |
| 00:42.30 | kremonte | so um |
| 00:42.38 | kremonte | it's likely that as a replacement newegg is going to say a gs.. |
| 00:42.47 | kremonte | i just got fucked out of a video card huh |
| 00:43.11 | Osagasu | well, the 7800 GS is a good card |
| 00:43.19 | kremonte | i've got a GT |
| 00:43.23 | ckknight | Ktron, "We do not have a current ETA at this time" |
| 00:43.25 | kremonte | and it's defective. |
| 00:43.26 | kremonte | sao. |
| 00:43.35 | Osagasu | how long ago did you buy it? |
| 00:43.41 | kremonte | 32 days ago |
| 00:43.55 | Osagasu | ah |
| 00:45.21 | Ktron | ckknight, I wasn't certain if they had another update after that one yet... another is due according to them in 15 minutes |
| 00:45.24 | Ktron | I think |
| 00:45.55 | Iriel | Wheee, I love it when amazon orders arrive |
| 00:46.14 | kremonte | screwed outta $300 =/ |
| 00:46.43 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:46.45 | Ktron | that's what you get for putting it in the microwave! |
| 00:46.53 | kremonte | right |
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| 00:49.26 | malreth | Hello all you happy people. |
| 00:49.53 | Cairenn | hey hey malreth |
| 00:49.56 | Iriel | Hey malreth |
| 00:49.56 | Ktron | And if 'happy' means 'impatient', you are correct! heh heh |
| 00:50.18 | Ktron | Btw, are there any guesses on what Blizzard did? |
| 00:50.25 | MentalPower | s/wawits/waits/ |
| 00:50.59 | malreth | forgot to feed the hamster |
| 00:51.08 | malreth | hamsters are delicate creatures, you know |
| 00:51.12 | Ktron | they must have backup hamsters |
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| 00:51.35 | Ktron | wowguru-8349, yes, world of warcraft is down |
| 00:51.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:51.49 | MentalPower | well, we "should" have an update in about 10mins or so |
| 00:51.57 | wowguru-8349 | hmmmmmmm |
| 00:52.12 | Ktron | Where are we expecting the update? on the login screen? |
| 00:52.28 | Crispix | MentalPower what do you mean an update? |
| 00:52.34 | Ktron | how's that for preemptive problem solving? |
| 00:52.47 | Osagasu | lol |
| 00:52.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:53.00 | malreth | hehe |
| 00:53.05 | Ktron | Crispix, I think the last message from Blizzard said they were going to give us an update and maybe ETA at 5pm PST |
| 00:53.07 | Iriel | My guess is they made a DB change |
| 00:53.10 | Iriel | and it didn't go so well |
| 00:53.58 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:54.19 | MentalPower | "... We apologize for the inconvenience, and we'll provide an update at approximately 5:00PM PST." |
| 00:54.27 | Cairenn | well, they were testing new hardware, they said that, that was why they ran the contest to get people to log in to the test servers |
| 00:54.35 | kremonte | servers are live |
| 00:54.36 | kremonte | :) |
| 00:54.43 | ckknight | if this solves the lag issues, it'll be worth it |
| 00:54.49 | Cairenn | serious or jackass kremonte? |
| 00:54.57 | kremonte | -[Insomniacs]Seytn:#Warsong- WE ARE LIVE |
| 00:54.58 | kremonte | <H|Mnc|Adolis> UP |
| 00:55.01 | JIMtheInventor | "lag issues" will always exist. |
| 00:55.03 | kremonte | ^ from #warsong on stratics |
| 00:55.15 | MentalPower | stuck on "Authenticating" |
| 00:55.18 | kremonte | i'm logging in now, will say if i get on... handshaking atm |
| 00:55.18 | ckknight | JIMtheInventor, my realm has had _horrible_ issues recently |
| 00:55.21 | malreth | BAM! servers crash again |
| 00:55.25 | malreth | heheh |
| 00:55.26 | Cairenn | so you aren't speaking from personal knowledge then |
| 00:55.31 | JIMtheInventor | ah. |
| 00:55.51 | JIMtheInventor | You do have my pity. Suramar runs with little to no overt problems. |
| 00:55.56 | kremonte | well, everybody in #warsong says they are up :) |
| 00:56.00 | kremonte | Connected |
| 00:56.03 | kremonte | yup |
| 00:56.03 | kremonte | i'm on |
| 00:56.09 | kremonte | retrieving character list |
| 00:56.17 | malreth | i'm still stuck on connecting |
| 00:56.27 | kremonte | yeah, login servers are congested |
| 00:56.30 | kremonte | considering the whole |
| 00:56.35 | kremonte | 30000 people logging at once |
| 00:56.41 | JIMtheInventor | *chuckle* ... precisely. |
| 00:56.42 | malreth | yeah, i guess-- OOH BICYCLE! |
| 00:56.45 | kremonte | yeah i'm online |
| 00:56.48 | Crispix | 'We accidently let a merloc install the patches..' |
| 00:56.55 | kremonte | murloc!!!! |
| 00:56.56 | kremonte | NOT MERLOC |
| 00:56.57 | kremonte | GOSH |
| 00:57.03 | Crispix | :| whatever. |
| 00:57.21 | MentalPower | CONFIRMED! Alleria is Online! |
| 00:57.24 | kremonte | oooh nice |
| 00:57.25 | malreth | hey, Murlocs eat people's cousins |
| 00:57.27 | kremonte | faaaarming |
| 00:57.32 | MentalPower | (I'm loading) |
| 00:57.33 | malreth | someone said so on the forums today |
| 00:57.40 | L|Elviso | servers up for me |
| 00:57.42 | malreth | and i BELIEVE it |
| 00:58.16 | ToastTheif | servers aren't working for me :( |
| 00:58.21 | malreth | hahah |
| 00:58.39 | malreth | connecting failed... i tried again. my dialog box doesn't even say a word. |
| 00:58.45 | malreth | just a big red cancel button |
| 00:58.53 | malreth | i think it's trying to tell me something |
| 00:58.55 | Iriel | I know the dialog box you mean |
| 00:58.58 | kremonte | people are dcing D: |
| 00:59.00 | Miravlix | Now EU forum crashed |
| 00:59.09 | Iriel | It's telling you that you already know what it's going to say, so why should it bother saying it 8-) |
| 00:59.12 | Ktron | I just got on to Eredar... |
| 00:59.16 | Iriel | Whee, my patch finally downloaded |
| 00:59.24 | kremonte | getlink works =D |
| 00:59.35 | Iriel | That only took about 4 hours |
| 00:59.35 | kremonte | yay for easy mods |
| 00:59.41 | kremonte | :x Iriel, i have a mirror up >< |
| 00:59.57 | Iriel | I was trying to give blizzard's downloader a chance 8-) |
| 01:00.03 | Ktron | heh |
| 01:00.04 | kremonte | just say no |
| 01:00.06 | Kirov | lol |
| 01:00.06 | malreth | well, i think i'll go make some dinner -- OOH LOOK, SHINY COINS! |
| 01:00.07 | Ktron | I'm playing on Eredar |
| 01:00.30 | kremonte | i'm playing on warsong, the laggiest place on the iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 01:00.33 | kremonte | nternet |
| 01:00.34 | kremonte | sorry, lag |
| 01:01.06 | malreth | i made pickles last night |
| 01:01.10 | malreth | and I wanna eat them... |
| 01:01.20 | JIMtheInventor | Well, don't dilly-dally |
| 01:01.22 | kremonte | let's see errors! |
| 01:01.23 | malreth | but the man on the TV said i should wait 2 days before eating |
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| 01:01.30 | Ktron | heh, So I'm online |
| 01:01.31 | kremonte | malreth, calm yourself |
| 01:01.34 | malreth | i've been starving since then |
| 01:01.55 | malreth | i was so dizzy at work, too... |
| 01:01.57 | kremonte | idchat doesnt work >< |
| 01:02.02 | malreth | making pickles is hard work! |
| 01:03.08 | malreth | idchat, really? |
| 01:03.11 | Miravlix | Forum crashes and servers come up |
| 01:03.17 | kremonte | yeah malreth |
| 01:03.19 | kremonte | might bew an old ver |
| 01:03.36 | malreth | did anyone take over that mod? the author canceled his account |
| 01:03.40 | malreth | industrial, right? |
| 01:03.45 | kremonte | industrial quit?! |
| 01:03.48 | malreth | yeah... |
| 01:03.50 | Cairenn | yes |
| 01:03.51 | kremonte | :( |
| 01:03.57 | Kirov | what mod? |
| 01:03.58 | Crispix | time to find out how badly my UI explodes |
| 01:04.00 | kremonte | idChat |
| 01:04.09 | kremonte | my UI still works flawlessly, i am very surprised |
| 01:04.12 | kremonte | happily at that |
| 01:04.32 | kremonte | ... |
| 01:04.33 | kremonte | w |
| 01:04.33 | kremonte | t |
| 01:04.33 | kremonte | f? |
| 01:04.39 | malreth | i rewrote idminimap in my own image... i wanna update it for 1.10 |
| 01:04.44 | kremonte | my corpse is |
| 01:04.48 | kremonte | at a gy in hyjal... |
| 01:04.52 | malreth | hahah! |
| 01:04.54 | kremonte | ... |
| 01:05.01 | malreth | kremonte, you are a funny |
| 01:05.02 | kremonte | did it reset to like 3 months ago? lol |
| 01:05.09 | kremonte | i'm serious |
| 01:05.23 | kremonte | my minimap says hyjal, i can't access my map atm |
| 01:05.26 | malreth | hahah! oh man, you know how to take a good joke and just RUNNN with it |
| 01:05.33 | kremonte | .. |
| 01:05.38 | kremonte | ookay then |
| 01:05.41 | malreth | woo hooo... hehe keep it going, man! my sides hurt |
| 01:05.54 | kremonte | like i said, ookay then |
| 01:06.01 | kremonte | anyways, countdoom doesnt work either |
| 01:06.55 | Ktron | t3h bugs! SCT and Flexbar are not happy |
| 01:07.02 | Ktron | and AceTimer isn't even allowed to work |
| 01:07.06 | malreth | new version of SCT today, right? |
| 01:07.11 | kremonte | SCT doesnt work? :o |
| 01:07.20 | Ktron | I don't have a 'today verison' if there is one |
| 01:07.29 | Ktron | I have.... 4.1beta |
| 01:07.56 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3965 |
| 01:08.14 | Miravlix | They don't have 1.10 version ready for download? |
| 01:08.23 | Cairenn | that's what I just linked .... |
| 01:08.23 | Miravlix | Hmm, I thought sct in Cosmos was updated |
| 01:08.34 | Crispix | Interesting...... 1.10 is live... but... I can't connect |
| 01:09.06 | kremonte | shardace still works perfectly :> |
| 01:09.10 | kremonte | as does ecastingbar |
| 01:09.24 | Crispix | Does anyone here have auctioneer? |
| 01:09.27 | Crispix | Does it still work? |
| 01:09.30 | Crispix | I'll cry if that doesn't |
| 01:10.20 | malreth | woo... addon sites are taking a beating right now, it seems |
| 01:10.43 | Crispix | everything is malreth |
| 01:11.31 | Cairenn | Crispix: http://auctioneeraddon.com/ |
| 01:11.58 | Crispix | Ta Cairenn :D |
| 01:12.06 | malreth | i wonder why my alliance keeps scheduling raids and events on tuesday nights... |
| 01:12.12 | Crispix | Hopefully it'll work soon |
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| 01:13.02 | Ktron | anyone seen weather yet? |
| 01:13.06 | Ktron | (in game) |
| 01:13.13 | Cairenn | Crispix, dear, you know, you *could* try googling for stuff or checking known sites for things or otherwise trying to help yourself *first*, before coming to us all the time ... |
| 01:13.15 | malreth | i saw weather today... |
| 01:13.21 | malreth | it flooded my apartment |
| 01:13.24 | Tem | do we have servers yet? |
| 01:13.25 | malreth | :( |
| 01:13.29 | Ktron | I'm on Eredar |
| 01:13.39 | Cairenn | I saw weather today, it was a beautiful sunny almost warm day, it was great |
| 01:13.50 | Crispix | I'm still trying to log into Sargeras |
| 01:14.00 | Ktron | I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end |
| 01:14.03 | Cairenn | Tem: yes, errr, no, errr, yes, errr wait a sec, nop ah yup |
| 01:14.12 | Tem | so, no? |
| 01:14.12 | Ktron | but... I just want it to rain in World of Warcraft one more time again |
| 01:14.20 | kremonte | yes tem |
| 01:14.21 | Cairenn | that sum it up about right guys? |
| 01:14.21 | kremonte | but no tem |
| 01:14.24 | Ktron | Tem, I am actively playing on Eredar |
| 01:14.24 | kremonte | yes cair =P |
| 01:14.28 | kremonte | tem, the servers are up |
| 01:14.30 | kremonte | but gl logging in |
| 01:14.35 | Tem | >< |
| 01:14.38 | malreth | weather in DAoC was annoying |
| 01:14.51 | malreth | it rain and then stop raining every 7 minutes |
| 01:15.00 | Iriel | Weather in Oblivion is quite impressive, but it rains too often |
| 01:15.07 | ToastTheif | anyone know how much rep u get in WSG now? |
| 01:15.16 | Kirov | Still havent' seen Oblivion in action |
| 01:15.46 | ToastTheif | argh, man addons are seriously messed this patch |
| 01:15.48 | Crispix | ToastTheif I'lll be happy to check soon.. IF I can log in |
| 01:16.05 | ToastTheif | kk |
| 01:16.41 | malreth | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/snugglesofdoom/WOW/patchfromhell.jpg |
| 01:16.45 | Crispix | Sargeras is still going :p |
| 01:16.56 | Ktron | I'm trying to find weather in game, anyone find any yet? |
| 01:17.17 | Crispix | Ktron are you alliance or horde? |
| 01:17.25 | Ktron | horde |
| 01:17.25 | Gryphen | the first week was worse than todays by far |
| 01:17.30 | ckknight | go Horde! |
| 01:17.33 | Crispix | sorry.. can't help you then |
| 01:17.41 | Ktron | were you going to say Dun Morogh? |
| 01:17.44 | Ktron | I checked STV, nothing |
| 01:17.45 | Crispix | I was going to say goto auberdine... its supposed to have rain |
| 01:17.54 | Ktron | Going to check Tanaris I think in a moment |
| 01:17.59 | Crispix | Did you guys turn up the sliders? |
| 01:18.04 | Iriel | I've only seen rain in Booty Bay |
| 01:18.06 | Crispix | in gfx options? |
| 01:18.07 | Iriel | I've never seen Snow |
| 01:18.30 | Crispix | I'm still trying to log in to see it in auberdine.. but I can't log in :( |
| 01:18.39 | Iriel | I actually LIKE that weather is a semi-rare event |
| 01:18.43 | Cairenn | we're back, mysql crashed for some reason, Dolby's got us back up |
| 01:18.49 | Iriel | I just wish it'd chosen to do it while I was watching |
| 01:18.55 | Ktron | woah, new flightpath stuff |
| 01:19.14 | Miravlix | It's a random weather effect |
| 01:19.21 | Miravlix | It doesn't RAIN 24/7 |
| 01:19.30 | Crispix | it is? |
| 01:19.35 | Iriel | I love the new flight path stuff |
| 01:19.40 | Crispix | I thought snow was 24/7 |
| 01:19.51 | Crispix | Iriel can you take a screenshot of the flight path junk for me? |
| 01:20.10 | Crispix | oweeee Miravlix.. wtf was that for? |
| 01:21.03 | Ktron | yeah, I'm doing the quest to find weather effects right now |
| 01:21.05 | Iriel | I'm not in game at present |
| 01:21.13 | Ktron | hopefully sandstorms in Tanaris won't disappoint |
| 01:22.02 | Iriel | Oh, I saw fog in Elwynn Forest too when I first logged into the test servers |
| 01:22.16 | Ktron | Is 'fog' a weather effect? |
| 01:22.23 | Iriel | It seems to be |
| 01:22.34 | Iriel | I'm not sure if it's rain-related or not, I didn't spend much time there |
| 01:22.43 | Ktron | I thought it was just a 'hm, you can't see this far' effect |
| 01:22.46 | Iriel | That was right about when my DSL went away |
| 01:22.52 | Legorol | the new flightpath stuff is very very cool |
| 01:23.03 | Crispix | OMG.... |
| 01:23.04 | Crispix | I"M ON! |
| 01:23.06 | Crispix | YAY |
| 01:23.13 | Legorol | especially because it uses Iriel's code! |
| 01:23.24 | Legorol | his name is in the TaxiFrame.lua file, did you guys know that? |
| 01:23.32 | malreth | really? |
| 01:23.34 | Iriel | It'd be cool even without my code 8-) |
| 01:23.37 | Cairenn | yup |
| 01:23.39 | Cairenn | really |
| 01:23.42 | malreth | iriel you dog, you |
| 01:23.46 | Legorol | Iriel: get paid for it |
| 01:23.47 | Legorol | :-) |
| 01:24.00 | Iriel | Having my name in there is reward enough 8-) |
| 01:24.36 | malreth | what did you do, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 01:24.38 | Crispix | Yep.. my UI exploded *laughing* |
| 01:25.34 | JIMtheInventor | mmmm, delayed, but heartfelt, congratulations, Iriel. |
| 01:25.45 | malreth | well, silver hand isn't up, it seems |
| 01:25.50 | malreth | or something |
| 01:25.54 | malreth | can't make it through |
| 01:26.23 | malreth | poor silver hand... i hope it gets some lubbins soon. |
| 01:26.28 | Iriel | No, Silver Hand is unhappy |
| 01:26.42 | Iriel | But then again, it's always unhappy |
| 01:26.54 | Iriel | (The code in question is my line drawing texcoord code) |
| 01:27.00 | malreth | ah... i see |
| 01:27.07 | Legorol | i'm surprised they added a Lua implementation |
| 01:27.12 | Legorol | might have been more efficient from C? |
| 01:27.25 | Legorol | with maybe an API function: DrawLine(x1,y1,x2,y2) |
| 01:27.36 | malreth | heh... |
| 01:27.36 | Legorol | but it's cooler this way :-) |
| 01:28.28 | malreth | oh... so if the line texcoord code is there, that means it's exposed to other addons then, right? |
| 01:29.19 | Iriel | Well, adding an entirely new graphical coponent probably would have taken more time. |
| 01:29.40 | Iriel | malreth : More or less, yes, if you use textures with the same padding factors as blizzards' |
| 01:31.13 | Tem | good god |
| 01:31.20 | malreth | ah, nice then |
| 01:31.22 | Tem | I never realized how much I depended on CF |
| 01:31.34 | Tem | I HATE the default font now |
| 01:31.38 | Iriel | Heh |
| 01:31.39 | kremonte | wow my guildchat is making me want to kill myself irl |
| 01:31.45 | Iriel | Well, at least CF is 1.10 ready 8-) |
| 01:31.49 | Tem | yeah |
| 01:31.51 | Cairenn | yup :) |
| 01:32.01 | kremonte | [Guild] OMFG, CTRAID IS GONE FOREVER WTF BLIZZARD SUCKS IM PETITIONING |
| 01:32.03 | Tem | though I'm a little disappointed he didn't use a more general approach |
| 01:32.11 | kremonte | [Guild] OMFG, DECURSIVE IS GONE FOREVER WTF BLIZZARD SUCKS IM QUITTING |
| 01:32.18 | Tem | kremonte: I got tells like that when I logged in |
| 01:32.29 | kremonte | people won't stfu :( |
| 01:32.30 | kremonte | :'( |
| 01:32.33 | Crispix | Wow.... it made my ui explode.... does anyone here have problems with their backpack? |
| 01:32.55 | wereHamster | kremonte, that's why blizzard implemented an 'ignore' list :) |
| 01:33.06 | kremonte | my entire bloody guild ;~; |
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| 01:33.33 | Iriel | Ooh, I should put up the new WidgetAPI page |
| 01:33.46 | malreth | tell them that all addons should be banned and the people who use them should cancel and stab themselves IRL |
| 01:33.52 | kremonte | this pally is like |
| 01:34.05 | kremonte | "WTF are you talking about kremonte, you know what fine just get a poison and ill watch ur ass die" |
| 01:34.12 | kremonte | it's like these guys have never ever healed without some aid.. |
| 01:34.32 | Crispix | O_____O |
| 01:34.38 | Crispix | The new Flight path UI thing is SWEET |
| 01:34.42 | Tem | Cairenn: I'm impressed. WoWI loads and is fast |
| 01:34.46 | kremonte | ?! |
| 01:34.47 | malreth | gah. like that one guy on the forum... saying that how mana-conserv addons being broken was a 'slap in the face' |
| 01:34.54 | Tem | Cairenn: but curse seems to be down |
| 01:34.54 | kremonte | wowi is good? nothing new, tem! :P |
| 01:35.05 | Tem | oh I know |
| 01:35.18 | Tem | but this is the first real test run of the new low bw version |
| 01:35.42 | Cairenn | more than just that Tem |
| 01:35.54 | Tem | also the off-site download server |
| 01:36.03 | Cairenn | yup |
| 01:36.03 | Tem | well, "off-site" |
| 01:36.14 | Tem | still there, but the site and downloads are in different places :) |
| 01:37.20 | Kirov | So, I'm thinking Telo is done with wow |
| 01:37.24 | kremonte | just got DC'd... |
| 01:37.33 | kremonte | back to server screen |
| 01:37.35 | kremonte | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 01:38.20 | Crispix | Impressive.. Gbars stuill works.. |
| 01:39.47 | Crispix | O_O |
| 01:39.50 | Crispix | Titan still works |
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| 01:40.01 | Nomad_Wanderer | Welcome to the insane asylum :) |
| 01:40.06 | Cairenn | hey Nomad_Wanderer :) |
| 01:40.23 | Nomad_Wanderer | Does anyone know where to get a new version of CT_RA? |
| 01:40.34 | Cairenn | ct page, wowi |
| 01:40.37 | Cairenn | either or |
| 01:40.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | hmm.. WowI gave me this : Fatal error: Call to undefined function: getnewuser() in /home/wowinter/public_html/downloads/classes/search/Core_Search.php on line 69 |
| 01:41.04 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3878 |
| 01:41.28 | dukeku | gonna gonna gonna gonna buy me a rainbow |
| 01:41.31 | dukeku | (ack) |
| 01:41.40 | Cairenn | I was able to download it just now with no problems Nomad_Wanderer |
| 01:41.52 | Nomad_Wanderer | Will keep trying :) |
| 01:42.10 | Cairenn | woooot, 5k+ and climbing |
| 01:42.56 | Crispix | Decent song .. suprisingly from Good Charlotte. :o |
| 01:47.51 | Crispix | ... damn it |
| 01:47.54 | Crispix | I can;t log back in :( |
| 01:48.19 | Cairenn | someone else wanna take it from here? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343985&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 01:48.23 | Crispix | I just deleted everything in my UI except for things I hope will work... and now I'm trying to get back in |
| 01:49.15 | malreth | memnok... i've seen his name on the forums before |
| 01:49.59 | malreth | he doesn't seem to have any recent posts, though |
| 01:50.35 | Tem | I think you are just recognizing the name from somewhere else |
| 01:51.14 | Ktron | Think I'm going to wait and update WoW at like midnight or so or something instead of fighting with everyone right now |
| 01:51.33 | Crispix | I just got a fantastic idea.. and Now I can't log onto the forums yet to post it :/ |
| 01:54.39 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:54.40 | ckknight | what is it? |
| 01:54.45 | Nomad_Wanderer | Cair, did wowi jusst go Boink? |
| 01:55.50 | Cairenn | sorta |
| 01:56.01 | Cairenn | use this addy instead |
| 01:56.01 | Cairenn | http://fileserver2.wowinterface.com/index.php |
| 01:56.08 | Cairenn | dolby is tweaking |
| 01:57.04 | Tem | aww.. I'm going to miss spoofed links |
| 01:57.22 | Crispix | I'm not |
| 01:57.33 | Tem | they didn't get out of hand on my server |
| 01:57.41 | Tem | I was really the only one who knew how to do it |
| 01:57.43 | Crispix | [Annoying Llama's Weapon of Llamaness] |
| 01:57.53 | Tem | I'm also the masterlooter in MC |
| 01:58.01 | Tem | which makes for some interesting loot reports |
| 01:58.04 | Tem | I really enjoyed linking [Vendorstrike] |
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| 01:58.17 | Legorol | what i'll be missing is the movement functions |
| 01:58.23 | Tem | [Ancient Petrified Toilet Paper] |
| 01:58.32 | Legorol | and Lua protection system is bound to give us headaches.. |
| 01:58.32 | wowguru-0052 | Are the realms up for anyone yet??? |
| 01:58.50 | Tem | Because litterally 85% of our Domo kills have been Leaves |
| 01:58.53 | Cairenn | wowguru-0052: yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, maybe, sorta, no, yes |
| 01:59.02 | Ktron | ~lart wowguru-0052 |
| 01:59.08 | Crispix | wowguru-0052 they're 'up' but you need to understand that 2 billion people are trying to log in at once... |
| 01:59.25 | Crispix | so hence: they're congested as sin, and probably won't let you log in |
| 01:59.34 | wowguru-0052 | Ok, u guys dont need to be rude, i wa just asking. |
| 01:59.38 | kremonte | jm |
| 01:59.40 | kremonte | for multi-flights |
| 01:59.45 | kremonte | connecting ones even |
| 01:59.50 | Crispix | Rude? o_O.. this is us in our nice mood |
| 01:59.51 | kremonte | or even for long ones, there shuld be a confirmation dialog |
| 01:59.52 | kremonte | IMO |
| 02:00.00 | Ktron | wowguru-0052, unfortunately, you are not the first wowguru-XXXX |
| 02:00.15 | Ktron | And we've answered that question more than once already |
| 02:00.22 | malreth | and honestly, i don't see where anyone was really being rude |
| 02:00.28 | Tem | ditto |
| 02:00.31 | wowguru-0052 | i know i dont have a name here, do other things but play the game and thenh got talk about it for housrs. |
| 02:00.33 | wowguru-0052 | loosers |
| 02:00.45 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [wowguru-0052!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
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| 02:00.49 | Ktron | lol |
| 02:00.57 | Codayus | thanks cair |
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| 02:01.03 | Tem | >< |
| 02:01.06 | wowguru-8047 | all man i got booted |
| 02:01.07 | Cairenn | next time don't go calling names |
| 02:01.12 | Tem | some people don't know what kicked means |
| 02:01.15 | Cairenn | then you won't get booted |
| 02:01.23 | kremonte | losers* |
| 02:01.35 | Codayus | its like a reenactment of a qdb entry... |
| 02:01.44 | wowguru-8047 | u were all talking to me like i was stupid or something. How was i supposed to know. |
| 02:01.48 | Legorol | speaking of movement functions.. |
| 02:01.58 | Cairenn | no, we weren't |
| 02:01.58 | wowguru-8047 | I have been playing for like 2 weeks |
| 02:01.59 | kremonte | wah WAH WAHW WAH CTRA ID DOESNT WORK |
| 02:01.59 | kremonte | ^^ lego? |
| 02:02.02 | Legorol | I managed to tweak Tacklebox so that most of it still works, e.g. casting with a right-click |
| 02:02.08 | kremonte | nicee |
| 02:02.14 | wowguru-8047 | nice |
| 02:02.16 | Crispix | *must stop.. saying... WOOOOOOOOOOO 2 weeks..* |
| 02:02.26 | Crispix | :| *ties mouth shut* |
| 02:02.26 | wowguru-8047 | then we can go to my friends and talk about 21 gigawats and shit |
| 02:02.28 | Cairenn | I was being very factual in my statement of "yes, no, yes, no, maybe, yup, nope" because that is exactly what has been going on |
| 02:02.28 | Tem | Legorol: how did you manage that? |
| 02:02.33 | Legorol | it's a very very ugly hack though |
| 02:02.50 | Legorol | i thought some of you guys might be interested, so here is how it goes |
| 02:02.55 | End | mooo |
| 02:02.59 | malreth | wowguru-8047: yes, the servers are supposed to be up |
| 02:03.11 | malreth | wowguru-8047: but they have been DCing people... |
| 02:03.25 | malreth | and most people are getting stuck in auth and connecting |
| 02:03.33 | wowguru-8047 | Ok. |
| 02:03.33 | End | yeah, I just got disconnected >_< |
| 02:03.38 | wowguru-8047 | Should i try in a an hour |
| 02:03.40 | Legorol | the WoW event dispatch order on a right mouse-click is: WorldFrame:OnMouseDown, BUTTON2 binding (down), WorldFrame:OnMouseUp, BUTTON2 binding (up) |
| 02:03.41 | malreth | so, you can log in and give it a try... or something like that |
| 02:03.42 | Ktron | wowguru-8047, I think I was just reacting to the fact that everyone seems to expect the answers to be here, and normally people don't look for answers here... It's easy to assume that you haven't tried much else too, but I could have been wrong |
| 02:04.33 | wowguru-8047 | Are you still talking ktron |
| 02:04.34 | wowguru-8047 | get over it |
| 02:04.34 | Tem | oh here goes... |
| 02:04.34 | End | no, ktron has never talked in his life |
| 02:04.34 | wowguru-8047 | it was like 5 mins ago |
| 02:04.34 | Cairenn | wowguru-8047: enough |
| 02:04.39 | Legorol | oi oi people |
| 02:04.39 | Legorol | chill |
| 02:04.39 | End | moo moo |
| 02:04.48 | Crispix | *sniff sniff* Do I smell Cairenn's fresh leather polish or do I need to polish her boot more? |
| 02:04.55 | kremonte | rofl |
| 02:04.56 | Legorol | anyways, what i was saying (getting lost in the shuffle) is this: |
| 02:04.58 | kremonte | clever crispix |
| 02:05.05 | kremonte | shuffle? IPOD SHUFFLE?! |
| 02:05.07 | Ktron | That's it, I just was trying to explain myself a little, so perhaps you wouldn't be bothered by it wowguru |
| 02:05.09 | Ktron | heh |
| 02:05.10 | Cairenn | Crispix: you need to back down too, you're really pushing it at a time when you shouldn't be |
| 02:05.11 | Ktron | ah well |
| 02:05.12 | Legorol | take the WF:OnMouseUp handler, in that redirect the BUTTON2 binding to your function, |
| 02:05.14 | Ktron | no loss |
| 02:05.30 | Legorol | when the BUTTON2 (up) binding triggers, use that hardware event to do a cast or whatever you want, |
| 02:05.56 | Legorol | and then finally use MouselookingStop() to simulate the "release" of the right mouse button |
| 02:06.19 | Legorol | i.e. bypass the original Blizzard BUTTON2 (up) binding |
| 02:06.23 | Legorol | it's ugly but it works |
| 02:06.42 | Legorol | oh yeah, and don't forget to restore the BUTTON2 binding to the original one in your handler |
| 02:06.55 | Crispix | Does anyone know how 'random' the weather will be? |
| 02:07.07 | ckknight | you can't call MouseLookingStop() |
| 02:07.11 | End | I think it is just random times |
| 02:07.14 | Iriel | Well, what's "random" is when it happens |
| 02:07.24 | End | it was raining in STV on my server a bit ago :) |
| 02:07.31 | End | but now I got d/c'd |
| 02:07.47 | Tem | I haven't seen snow or sandstorm yet |
| 02:07.48 | Legorol | ckknight: it works, so I can :p |
| 02:07.55 | Tem | but I was very impressed by the raid |
| 02:07.58 | Tem | s/raid/rain/ |
| 02:08.48 | End | I'm bored though, I made a code change and can't test it because it won't let me on :( |
| 02:08.52 | Tem | Legorol: that's very clever |
| 02:09.13 | Legorol | i'm just worried that it's going to conflict with any and all mouse look type addons |
| 02:09.38 | Tem | I've never used one to know |
| 02:11.32 | Ktron | heh |
| 02:11.43 | Ktron | what'd the poster do? |
| 02:11.48 | AnduinLothar | aw, and cair got sleep too |
| 02:11.54 | futrtrubl | oooohhhh, link Cairenn? |
| 02:12.01 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343510&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 02:12.22 | Cairenn | Ktron: not any one specific, just a large percentage of them in general |
| 02:12.31 | Cairenn | you'd think people would be used to this by now and CHILL |
| 02:12.56 | Cairenn | and hi futrtrubl |
| 02:13.08 | End | I take patch day as a good time to check for addon updates ;p |
| 02:13.29 | End | always most of my addons work fine though |
| 02:13.58 | Codayus | people keep expcting stuff to work smoothly on patch days. you'dthink they'd have learned by now...but no. |
| 02:14.13 | AnduinLothar | what didn't go smoothly? |
| 02:14.21 | malreth | huh? |
| 02:14.21 | Crispix | The hell?????? Server shut down in 5 minutes? |
| 02:14.30 | End | well, the realms are kinda wanky right now, and are taking time to come up |
| 02:14.32 | End | oh wow |
| 02:14.40 | End | i got on and mine is about to shutdown too |
| 02:14.45 | malreth | oh, cair... i picked up that thread you linked earlier |
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| 02:14.56 | malreth | took me a bit, but i found the language for it |
| 02:15.16 | End | hahaha, bears dancing in org |
| 02:15.42 | End | I'll go join them |
| 02:16.01 | End | :D |
| 02:16.07 | futrtrubl | ok, anyone want to adopt BEB? I don't have the time or the internet access to continue developement of it anymore, or even to play WoW. |
| 02:16.09 | ckknight | Crispix, shut it |
| 02:16.17 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: :( |
| 02:17.01 | futrtrubl | yeah, I know, but my job doesn't give me the time (I'm exhausted after each day, but I still like the job) |
| 02:17.08 | Tem | oh my god |
| 02:17.10 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 02:17.13 | Cairenn | Tem: ? |
| 02:17.20 | Tem | I'm so sick of the "stop breaking the interface" posts |
| 02:17.27 | Ktron | If I tried futrtrubl, it'd turn into WEB, or maybe just Crappy EX... or FUBAREB... |
| 02:17.30 | Tem | a;lsdfhlf' asf' a |
| 02:17.32 | Tem | shdf aSd |
| 02:17.41 | MentalPower | a;skdfjas;kdfj;asdhf;asga;suhg |
| 02:17.43 | End | I forget, what exactly is BEB? Better....Ebert Bubbles? |
| 02:17.43 | MentalPower | [SERVER] Shutdown in 5:00 |
| 02:17.45 | AnduinLothar | hmm, still can't log on.. guess I'll have to try at work.. |
| 02:17.50 | futrtrubl | it's yours then Ktron ;'] |
| 02:17.52 | Cairenn | Tem: that's the sort of thing I was referring to when I just bitched |
| 02:17.56 | End | MentalPower: yeah, they appear to be shutting all servers down |
| 02:18.26 | Ktron | hopefully just for a quick reboot |
| 02:18.33 | End | hopefully |
| 02:18.47 | MentalPower | .me hopes |
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| 02:18.52 | End | oh dammit, I didn't test my damn code |
| 02:19.01 | End | that was why I logged on |
| 02:19.06 | Tem | hah, nice touch on the mods updated list Cairenn. |
| 02:19.10 | End | and see, I go and get distracted and start dancing |
| 02:19.15 | Tem | you read people's patch notes |
| 02:21.28 | Ktron | the entire mod-making community should go on strike, or build, into every addon they make, a keyword that when spoken forces people to completely undress unless you're running the 'counter-addon' which only developers will share amongst themselves... and me |
| 02:21.32 | AnduinLothar | Anyone notice that the release 1.10 version was the exact same version that was on the test server prior? ;) |
| 02:21.44 | MentalPower | yep |
| 02:21.47 | Miravlix | No |
| 02:21.54 | Miravlix | EU just went down. :p |
| 02:21.55 | MentalPower | Iriel said so this morning |
| 02:21.59 | AnduinLothar | 5195 |
| 02:22.01 | Miravlix | Thats cool though |
| 02:22.06 | Tem | how is that significant? |
| 02:22.07 | Ktron | and if Cairenn doesn't consider herself a 'ui developer' then she can get the counter-addon too |
| 02:22.13 | Miravlix | Because it means we don't have any extra supprises |
| 02:22.20 | Tem | ah |
| 02:22.22 | AnduinLothar | means no stealth changes after test |
| 02:22.39 | Tem | well I'm a little concerned with a few gameplay changes |
| 02:22.48 | Tem | somethings I was hoping would not go live |
| 02:22.55 | Tem | we'll see... |
| 02:23.09 | Legorol | Ktron: something along those lines was done by a certain individual in a certain famous mod during beta and resulted in heated debates |
| 02:23.11 | Iriel | It's my understanding the 4 digit code is automatically generated by the blizzard build process, so when it doesn't change we KNOW we're safe |
| 02:23.17 | Tem | though, I hope the warrior charge issue gets worse |
| 02:23.20 | Legorol | and also resulted in the "Malicious UI" cause appearing in the policies |
| 02:23.28 | Miravlix | If it was in 5195 on test it's on live, I don't see how they could do different versions of revision 5195 |
| 02:23.33 | Tem | I hope charge becomes completely fucked up until patfch 1.11 or 1.12 |
| 02:23.34 | ckknight | charge issue? |
| 02:23.50 | Ktron | Legorol, who? |
| 02:23.52 | Tem | I saw a number of warriors complaining that sometimes it would stop short |
| 02:24.10 | Tem | I get the feeling it's related to their rag charge fix |
| 02:24.21 | Tem | anyway, I just hope it stays broken for a while |
| 02:24.47 | Tem | so the warrios in my guild will bitch so I can tell them to shut it mentioning that blink has been broken for over a year now |
| 02:24.52 | Miravlix | I hope they didn't get the druid charge bug |
| 02:24.53 | AnduinLothar | what you SHOULD be happy about is that they fixed the instance porting bug so hunters will no longer be farming king gordok |
| 02:24.53 | Miravlix | It sucks |
| 02:24.59 | Shadowd | oh? |
| 02:25.03 | Miravlix | You charge someone and stop out of range of attacking |
| 02:25.04 | Shadowd | AnduinLothar: they did? |
| 02:25.13 | Tem | yay! |
| 02:25.26 | Tem | I'll be able to resell my foror's book soon |
| 02:25.33 | Tem | for a handsome profit |
| 02:25.34 | Ktron | everyone buy up the compendums, a week from now they'll sell for 10912091g |
| 02:25.36 | Shadowd | Yeah i've got like 30 stacks of LBS i want to sell |
| 02:26.01 | Tem | I bought a compendium for 700g |
| 02:26.01 | Miravlix | Naah, it takes months before the effect of the extra stock disapers |
| 02:26.07 | Shadowd | Not for LBS |
| 02:26.09 | Tem | I plan to sell it for 1500+ |
| 02:26.09 | Miravlix | The market was overloaded with items |
| 02:26.21 | Shadowd | LBS will shoot up fairly quickly, major mana/healing will take a while though |
| 02:26.25 | Miravlix | So you are going to wait a year or so before the market is normal again |
| 02:26.53 | Tem | I think there is/was a way to farm lbrs for the archmage pattern |
| 02:27.09 | Tem | it's been real real abundant lately |
| 02:27.20 | malreth | i bought a bunch of ace of warlords when they were at 2g or less |
| 02:27.30 | Tem | hah, nice |
| 02:27.35 | Shadowd | Really quick question about the SetOwner for GameTooltip change. Does it need to be called all the time you call something like SetUnitDebuff() or only once and if so when's a good time to call it? Can't really find any issues due to the forums being down/slow. ( sorry for the inturruption! ) |
| 02:28.01 | Iriel | Shadowd: I believe once, it's claimed that you have to call it once AFTER the anchor frame becomes visible tho |
| 02:28.09 | Iriel | Shadowd : Personally I just do it right before calling |
| 02:28.10 | Iriel | :Set* |
| 02:28.15 | malreth | the ace of warlords farming had an interesting affect, though... the ace drastically dropped in price, but the price of the rest of the deck skyrocketed from the extra demand |
| 02:28.18 | Iriel | Less doubt that way |
| 02:28.35 | malreth | 2-8 were like 80-90g each |
| 02:28.37 | Shadowd | Iriel: Thanks. So theres no issues calling SetOwner before your :Set* calls everytime? Wasn't sure if it was bad or caused issues. |
| 02:28.47 | Iriel | malreth : that's traditional trading card marketing at work |
| 02:28.51 | malreth | yep |
| 02:29.01 | Iriel | malreth : A glut of 'common' cards, and then some rare ones to 'complete' sets |
| 02:29.10 | Iriel | Shadowd : I haven't found any problem with it thusfar |
| 02:29.13 | Shadowd | malreth: It's a lot different on my server actually, all of the warlords cards go for about 5-15g each, completed a deck for 50g |
| 02:29.15 | Ktron | is wowace down? I'm not getting a response |
| 02:29.17 | Shadowd | Iriel: Great thanks |
| 02:29.19 | Miravlix | Just do SetOwner in onload, then it's done? |
| 02:29.24 | malreth | it's cool to watch the economy move and change on such a small timescale |
| 02:29.39 | Cairenn | Ktron: it's on the same server as CTMod, and they are getting hammered, so Ace is slowed down too |
| 02:29.42 | Iriel | Miravlix : Apparently that doesn't always work depending on what frame you set owner too, though I haven't experienced it directly. |
| 02:29.54 | Ktron | ah |
| 02:29.56 | malreth | in a couple weeks, the ace will be 200-300g again and 2-8 will be 10g a piece |
| 02:30.23 | Miravlix | Naah |
| 02:30.31 | Miravlix | It takes longer for the extra stock to disapper |
| 02:30.47 | Miravlix | Every time someone tries to raise price people will flock to take out there stock and sell it |
| 02:31.07 | Shadowd | Really the only thing I can see thats going to skyrocket is librams and LBS just because they're used a lot and people want to grab them while they're cheap. |
| 02:31.46 | Miravlix | The examples of the horders is right here in the channel |
| 02:32.10 | Miravlix | They will try to get in every time the price is higher flooding the market like lemmings and driving the price down every time they try to sell |
| 02:32.47 | Shadowd | I'm just mostly interested in wondering how they fixed it |
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| 02:33.41 | Tem | I'm afraid for the librams |
| 02:33.51 | Tem | I need to get my hands on a focus |
| 02:33.52 | Shadowd | poor mages requiring focus librams :( |
| 02:33.55 | malreth | the tree boss guy now calls for help when attacked |
| 02:33.59 | Tem | I need 2 focus librams really |
| 02:34.02 | Ktron | Heh, I play the silk game on my server, I have probably over 25 stacks at least of silk cloth, all bought for basically under 50s or that I actually looted, and I wait and sell around 70s when the prices are high, and I'm working on getting my first aid high enough to make it all into bandages |
| 02:34.07 | Tem | I've got 2 dolls |
| 02:34.28 | *** part/#wowi-lounge subsonic (n=SubSonic@jefferson.matrix-consultants.com) |
| 02:34.49 | Tem | but they never went below 400g on my server |
| 02:34.58 | Tem | so skyrocket is a scary term |
| 02:35.25 | Shadowd | How low is foror's for you guys now? |
| 02:35.31 | Tem | 700g ish |
| 02:35.56 | Tem | oh oh Handshaking |
| 02:36.39 | Shadowd | We're sorry, we are unable to connect at this time. |
| 02:37.15 | Tem | connected! |
| 02:37.18 | Tem | I'm in! |
| 02:37.23 | Shadowd | EU or US? |
| 02:37.24 | Tem | ... and my server is down |
| 02:37.27 | Tem | US |
| 02:37.37 | Shadowd | well what counts is you're connected |
| 02:38.00 | Tem | yay! my alt server is up |
| 02:38.06 | Tem | time to play my lowbie rogue |
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| 02:41.13 | Guillotine | my computer is dying |
| 02:43.07 | Osagasu | You and kremonte |
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| 02:43.18 | Osagasu | [21:43] <Osagasu> You and kremonte |
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| 02:46.01 | Miravlix | Good think there is no clone protection around here |
| 02:46.07 | Miravlix | thing, even |
| 02:46.26 | Miravlix | Oh hell, I'm lying, I wish Guill would get clone killed. :) |
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| 02:48.30 | Guillotine___ | lol |
| 02:48.46 | Guillotine | yay! multiple guillotines! I can take over the world! |
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| 02:49.55 | Tem | I wish I was more motivated to fix this font stuff |
| 02:50.05 | Tem | CF 1.10 messes up a lot of font sizes |
| 02:50.14 | Osagasu | I wish I were less motivated to play WOW |
| 02:50.22 | Guillotine | tem, I'll put you in the credits of my leeroy addon unless you fix it |
| 02:50.24 | Guillotine | motivated yet? |
| 02:50.36 | Osagasu | I would be |
| 02:50.36 | Tem | no |
| 02:50.54 | Osagasu | Wait... you made that thing? |
| 02:50.58 | Guillotine | unfortunately |
| 02:51.00 | Tem | I'm having too much fun playing my rogue to care |
| 02:51.11 | Iriel | Tem: Are you using PocketHelper? |
| 02:51.16 | Tem | yes I am |
| 02:51.26 | Iriel | Tem: Excellent, I trust you grabbed the 1.10 update? |
| 02:51.28 | MentalPower | SERVERALERT: |
| 02:51.29 | MentalPower | 6:30PM 03/28/2006 |
| 02:51.31 | MentalPower | All realms are being brought down to apply a fix to an issue with patch 1.10. We hope to have them live as soon as possible, but we don't have a current ETA to provide at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience, and we'll provide an update as soon as possible. |
| 02:51.34 | Tem | Iriel: no I haven't |
| 02:51.44 | Osagasu | Anduin, what's this feralskills thing in Cosmos? I can't play with it, so I gotta bug someone about it |
| 02:51.48 | Guillotine | wait- you're online tem? |
| 02:51.50 | Guillotine | how? |
| 02:51.50 | Iriel | Tem: You should then, it doesn't work right without it. |
| 02:51.51 | Guillotine | aren't the servers down? |
| 02:52.02 | Shadowd | AnduinLothar: Archaeologist |
| 02:52.02 | Shadowd | Unearthing |
| 02:52.02 | Tem | Iriel: do I need to restart wow? |
| 02:52.04 | Shadowd | bah! |
| 02:52.14 | Tem | please say no |
| 02:52.21 | Tem | because it took me too long to log in |
| 02:52.22 | Shadowd | AnduinLothar: Do you happen to have a version of Archaeologist that doesn't use RegisterForSave? Checking before i go fix it for a friend. |
| 02:52.43 | Iriel | Tem: No, a ReloadUI will work. |
| 02:52.48 | Tem | good |
| 02:52.49 | Miravlix | Cosmos Release/Alpha on cosmosui.org contains fully 1.10 updated cosmos addon |
| 02:52.53 | Iriel | Tem: It was just missing a SetOwner |
| 02:52.57 | Shadowd | Miravlix: Alright thanks |
| 02:52.57 | Tem | ah |
| 02:53.17 | Osagasu | Shadowed, it's probably fixed in the newest patch.>.> |
| 02:53.31 | Tem | can you link me to your webpage? |
| 02:53.36 | Tem | I can never spell it right |
| 02:53.43 | Shadowd | Osagasu: Friend doesn't use Cosmos, just using the addon alone. |
| 02:53.48 | Tem | vigilancecomittee.org? |
| 02:53.48 | Iriel | Tem: http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ -- it's updated on wowinterface too |
| 02:53.58 | Iriel | 2m's 2t's 2e's, and a hyphen |
| 02:54.12 | Tem | ah, I was missing the hyphen |
| 02:54.21 | Kirov | and an m |
| 02:54.23 | Tem | I spelled it right in my browser |
| 02:54.28 | Tem | I just assumed it was wrong |
| 02:54.42 | Tem | so I changed it here |
| 02:54.49 | Iriel | That'll teach you |
| 02:54.50 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 02:54.51 | Kirov | hmm |
| 02:55.08 | Kirov | one of my mods was using both ## SavedVariables and RegisterForSaved |
| 02:55.09 | Kirov | heh |
| 02:55.10 | Iriel | Ok, i'm really going home now |
| 02:55.12 | Kirov | on the sam variables |
| 02:55.38 | Osagasu | oops. |
| 02:55.41 | Miravlix | yeah a lot left in legacy RegisterForSave after updating toc with SavedVariables |
| 02:56.15 | End | hmm |
| 02:56.20 | End | Draka is up |
| 02:56.24 | malreth | Cair? |
| 02:56.32 | Cairenn | malreth: ? |
| 02:56.50 | malreth | I'm not eating enough vegetables in my diet. Got any suggestions? |
| 02:57.02 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 02:57.02 | Gryphen | eat more vegetables |
| 02:57.14 | Wobin_ | eat more chikin |
| 02:57.16 | Guillotine | lol |
| 02:57.18 | Guillotine | that was very random |
| 02:57.30 | malreth | did i make you smile, cair? |
| 02:57.33 | Kirov | Eat nothing but beaf |
| 02:57.42 | Cairenn | malreth: heh, yeah |
| 02:57.45 | Crispix | http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/wowscreenshots/TheUnknownRealm.jpg |
| 02:57.48 | Cairenn | and can really use it right now |
| 02:57.53 | Crispix | Woo hoo!! |
| 02:57.57 | Kirov | lol |
| 02:58.01 | malreth | then my work here is done... figured you might still be alittle stressed with the patch hoohah |
| 02:58.10 | Guillotine | I suppose I should probably update to DAB/DUF 3.x now. I don't want to have to redo everything though :( |
| 02:58.12 | Cairenn | yeah, just a little |
| 02:58.32 | Ktron | are people letting up on the servers yet? |
| 02:58.34 | Osagasu | Sometimes I wonder how some people smile. I've seen people with smiles like :) and people more resembling :> |
| 02:58.40 | Crispix | http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/wowscreenshots/TheUnknownRealm.jpg <-- LMAO |
| 02:58.45 | malreth | I have cooked my chicken to an internal temp of 160 deg... i am safe from infection |
| 02:59.46 | malreth | Crispix: lol!! |
| 02:59.54 | ckknight | that is pretty funny |
| 03:00.04 | Legorol | Tem: fyi, if you Alt+F4 out of WoW, the UI properly shuts down and saves variables, but you can bypass the queues when you log back in |
| 03:00.06 | Crispix | The Unknown Realm Realm! |
| 03:00.09 | malreth | it's the SEKRAET GM RALM!!! |
| 03:00.26 | Tem | Legorol: that's very cool, but not what I meant |
| 03:00.29 | Miravlix | Funny, EU login works, but we have no servers |
| 03:00.37 | Miravlix | US has servers, but no login. :p |
| 03:00.41 | Legorol | Miravlix: often the case near start/end of maintenance |
| 03:00.43 | Tem | Legorol: the login server is having a nap |
| 03:00.47 | Legorol | depends on whether the login server is up or down |
| 03:00.51 | Legorol | Tem: oh i see |
| 03:00.52 | Miravlix | How about we combine the two so we get servers and login? |
| 03:01.03 | Legorol | Miravlix: do we have patch yet? |
| 03:01.10 | Wobin_ | Legorol: That sounds like something one says to an annoying newbie =) "Y'know, you can access the sekrit mIRC SUPA channel by hitting Alt-F4..." |
| 03:01.19 | Miravlix | It's a joke Leg |
| 03:01.20 | Legorol | Wobin_: rofl |
| 03:01.33 | Guillotine | ... the blizz downloader is running in the background |
| 03:01.36 | Guillotine | thats not good |
| 03:01.48 | Guillotine | what is blizz doing on my computer... |
| 03:02.39 | Kirov | Warden is now a rootkit, and it uploads all your porn to blizzard's servers |
| 03:03.02 | Wobin_ | Damn, that's a whole lotta porn |
| 03:03.03 | Legorol | Apart from what Kirov said, they have also introduced a new background downloader |
| 03:03.12 | Legorol | or they were testing it on PTR at least |
| 03:03.19 | Legorol | i heard they aren't going to use it yet for live releases |
| 03:03.27 | Legorol | so you might have it still running if you were on the PTR recently |
| 03:05.46 | malreth | we used to run the largest porn server on the UT campus |
| 03:06.07 | Wobin_ | Not the full moon, wereMouse|sleep? |
| 03:06.09 | malreth | network admins figured they'd set up a squid proxy for all of the campus dorm ports |
| 03:06.16 | malreth | to cut down on external bandwidth |
| 03:06.40 | malreth | after a few months, they nixed the server when it filled up with gigabytes of porn |
| 03:06.43 | Wobin_ | wasn't that nice =) |
| 03:06.47 | malreth | true story! |
| 03:06.55 | Miravlix | Proxy is quite a saving on bandwith if you pay for trafic |
| 03:07.11 | Miravlix | The company I was NetAdmin for saved 15-25% trafic |
| 03:07.38 | malreth | yeah... well... Texas is a conservative state... we can't run porn servers in these here parts |
| 03:07.48 | malreth | SORRY! |
| 03:07.54 | malreth | adult alternative entertainment |
| 03:07.57 | Wobin_ | Backward state =P |
| 03:09.25 | Wobin_ | well... Hello background Blizzard downloader |
| 03:09.32 | malreth | hey, we had a rep try to draft a law banning sexy cheerleading |
| 03:09.57 | malreth | that's not backwards... that's wholesome! |
| 03:10.00 | malreth | <snort> |
| 03:10.49 | malreth | actually, i think it had more to do with the slow rhythmic gyrations of their limber, nubile young bodies |
| 03:10.50 | ckknight | mmm... ankle |
| 03:11.21 | malreth | mmm.. SHAKE what yo' mamma gave ya! |
| 03:12.02 | Cairenn | wowi is back, Dolby was able to trace back and get the IP of the person attacking us, the IP is from Amsterdam, he's sending the IP and logs to the datacenter and possibly to some "official" department ... |
| 03:12.13 | Wobin_ | ooh. the cad! |
| 03:12.23 | Gryphen | good luck heh |
| 03:12.30 | Cairenn | he (Dolby) hopes that he's been able to lock the guy out =/ |
| 03:12.32 | Kirov | holy crap the RP servers are even full |
| 03:12.38 | Cairenn | so hopefully we won't go down again |
| 03:12.41 | malreth | the RP servers are ALWAYS full! |
| 03:12.46 | Wobin_ | I'm sure we have friends in Amsterdam who would be willing to do some 'persuasion' on our behalf =) |
| 03:13.11 | malreth | even when the servers are down... they're FULL! |
| 03:13.12 | Wobin_ | *knockknock* "Who's there?" "Goons. Hired Goons" |
| 03:13.16 | malreth | and have 200 person queues |
| 03:14.44 | End | well, I can't get to wowinterface at all now :X |
| 03:14.52 | Cairenn | http://fileserver2.wowinterface.com/index.php |
| 03:14.57 | Cairenn | use that addy instead |
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| 03:15.24 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.31 | Tem | my whole system locked up |
| 03:16.51 | Tem | now I can't get back in game |
| 03:16.54 | End | k, I |
| 03:16.55 | End | 'er |
| 03:17.09 | End | I've updated Yatlas, although it is a extremely mini update :-/ |
| 03:17.40 | Tem | I was trying to figure out a way that you could steal the world map arrow frame |
| 03:18.09 | Cairenn | can *anyone* hit wowinterface using the www. addy? |
| 03:18.20 | End | hmm |
| 03:18.25 | Tem | I haven't tried in a while, but I couldn't earlier |
| 03:18.35 | Tem | yeah it's real fast |
| 03:18.54 | Tem | Yatlas [Update Pending] |
| 03:18.57 | Cairenn | you can get it? |
| 03:19.09 | End | yeah, www is running nicely now |
| 03:19.13 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: I can get it |
| 03:19.26 | Wobin_ | super zippy |
| 03:21.32 | End | it appears to have been approved now |
| 03:21.59 | Cairenn | it has indeed ;) |
| 03:22.17 | Wobin_ | I reckon curse-gaming should have a low bandwith version |
| 03:22.19 | Kirov | End - how mini? |
| 03:22.32 | Wobin_ | ---| |--- |
| 03:22.45 | End | Kirov, an update to the data file, an a fix to keep gatherer minimap icons from getting misplaced |
| 03:23.26 | Kirov | less laggy yet? |
| 03:24.01 | End | not really |
| 03:24.45 | End | (hmm, I just had an idea) |
| 03:25.15 | Tem | you need to do one of 2 things |
| 03:25.34 | Tem | 1: get slouken to give us an api that creates an arrow frame |
| 03:25.41 | Tem | or 2: steal the world map |
| 03:25.44 | Tem | 's arrow frame |
| 03:25.47 | Wobin_ | Yoink! |
| 03:25.54 | End | I could probably steal the world map's arrow frame |
| 03:26.10 | End | I'll have to try it |
| 03:26.17 | Tem | I prefer solution 1, but it's kinda iffy |
| 03:26.39 | End | solution 1 would be a much nicer solution |
| 03:26.48 | Tem | aye |
| 03:27.02 | Tem | also, get crackin on party/raid member support =p |
| 03:27.10 | End | I have that in trunk actually |
| 03:27.11 | MentalPower | well, gnight folks |
| 03:27.23 | End | but...it's not as cool as it should be :P |
| 03:27.25 | Tem | later MentalPower |
| 03:27.26 | Cairenn | night MentalPower, sweet dreams |
| 03:27.29 | MentalPower | have fun with the patch :) |
| 03:27.35 | End | cya MentalPower> |
| 03:27.40 | Tem | End: what's wrong with it? |
| 03:27.44 | Osagasu | ZoomG! Handshaking! |
| 03:27.45 | End | well, it doesn't label them |
| 03:27.49 | Tem | oh also, tooltips |
| 03:27.54 | Tem | please god give me tooltips |
| 03:28.13 | End | the fullscreen frame uses tooltips, so it should be easy to do :P |
| 03:28.19 | Tem | I hate that frame over on the right |
| 03:28.23 | Crispix | Again, just for laughs:http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/wowscreenshots/TheUnknownRealm.jpg |
| 03:28.31 | End | I don't like it either actually |
| 03:28.40 | Kirov | <- agrees with Tem |
| 03:28.46 | End | I think it looks ugly, and I always have :P |
| 03:28.55 | End | the moment I made it, I thought it was ugly |
| 03:29.05 | Tem | heh |
| 03:29.10 | Kirov | I'd much rather it just uses icons similar to the in-game map, and just had tooltips |
| 03:29.20 | Tem | aye, me too |
| 03:29.42 | Tem | so, what exactly is causing the 'lag' when you drag the map around? |
| 03:29.49 | End | several things |
| 03:30.04 | End | most of it actually placing/drawing the minimap textures |
| 03:30.20 | Tem | I never did look to see how that's done |
| 03:30.28 | Tem | so, how is that being done? |
| 03:30.38 | Tem | it's not just one big texture? |
| 03:30.46 | End | I wish it was one big texture |
| 03:30.55 | Tem | make it one? |
| 03:31.15 | End | hmm, that might work for zooming out, but I was trying not to package my own image data :P |
| 03:31.29 | End | (most of what I have is just filename mappings) |
| 03:31.36 | Kirov | Why do you package all the ui data then? |
| 03:31.37 | Tem | oh awesome |
| 03:32.04 | End | all the ui data? |
| 03:32.25 | Tem | I didn't realize you were able to use the built in maps |
| 03:32.44 | End | yeah :) |
| 03:32.56 | End | they are actually saved by md5 |
| 03:33.09 | Kirov | You have a lot of textures for the UI |
| 03:33.10 | End | but..they have a lookup table in mpq to get the real names |
| 03:33.28 | Tem | ok, so making it one big texture is out |
| 03:33.33 | Osagasu | I swear, this might get me to cancel my account. |
| 03:33.46 | Tem | does, "Go to player" work when you are on kalimdor yet? |
| 03:34.00 | End | I thought I fixed that a while ago, Tem :P |
| 03:34.05 | End | I hope I fixed that a while ago :X |
| 03:34.11 | Tem | I havne't tried it in a long while |
| 03:34.12 | Guillotine | is it intended that none of the images are showing up even when you click on them in the descriptions? |
| 03:34.26 | End | the descriptions? |
| 03:34.39 | Tem | on wowi |
| 03:34.43 | End | oh |
| 03:34.51 | Tem | I doubt that |
| 03:35.04 | Cairenn | heh, I wondered about that myself ;) |
| 03:35.05 | Tem | but I suppose it's a necessary evil of patch day |
| 03:35.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine___ (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 03:35.43 | End | well, I'm more concerned with actually accessing the addon files ;p |
| 03:35.47 | Osagasu | With every second that passes, DDO becomes more attractive. |
| 03:36.04 | Guillotine | not near as customizable of an interface I hear though |
| 03:36.10 | Osagasu | oh, not at all |
| 03:36.17 | Osagasu | but its a little more stable, I hear |
| 03:36.21 | Guillotine | lol |
| 03:36.31 | Osagasu | and more customizable |
| 03:36.42 | Osagasu | and not nearly as forgiving when it comes to building |
| 03:36.48 | malreth | but it's a crappy game |
| 03:36.59 | Osagasu | Only if you don't like DnD |
| 03:37.01 | Miravlix | wtb option to have real time instead of mickey mouse clock on wowi. :p |
| 03:37.05 | Tem | so End, what's the other things causing the lag? |
| 03:37.16 | End | some of my friends who play DnD don't like it |
| 03:37.22 | malreth | oh well... have fun then. :) |
| 03:37.30 | End | Tem, well, placing the points is kinda slow |
| 03:37.35 | Osagasu | Well I played it and enjoyed it |
| 03:37.46 | Guillotine | wow. logging into server takes a long time... |
| 03:37.48 | End | although, that is only a serious issue if you have twenty billion gatherer icons from what I can tell. ;p |
| 03:37.49 | Osagasu | I like that it doesn't stick to the rules exactly |
| 03:38.43 | malreth | ok... that's nice |
| 03:39.05 | Tem | End: does it still calculate the POI's if I hide them? |
| 03:39.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine___ (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 03:39.18 | End | No, it doesn't. |
| 03:39.35 | End | I think it removes them from the list entirely but I'm not sure about that |
| 03:39.42 | End | and by remove from list, I mean regenerate list |
| 03:39.48 | End | (but without them) |
| 03:40.03 | Tem | ok, I just hid all of the POI stuff |
| 03:40.15 | Tem | gatherer, mapnotes, towns, graveyards, ect |
| 03:40.26 | Tem | and there is still pretty significant slowdowns |
| 03:40.50 | End | yeah, exactly. a lot of it is in the minimap texture placement/setting :-/ |
| 03:41.21 | End | hmm |
| 03:41.37 | Tem | ever tried the one big texture approach? |
| 03:41.47 | End | nope, but it should help |
| 03:41.55 | Miravlix | The minimap wasn't made for being big unfortunately. |
| 03:41.58 | End | I just...don't -want- to do it :P |
| 03:42.29 | End | I'd be inclined to agree, Miravlix, although I think it does look kinda cool anyways |
| 03:42.38 | Tem | I agree |
| 03:42.52 | Miravlix | It works well enough |
| 03:42.52 | Tem | I much prefer the minimap textures to the worldmap textures |
| 03:43.02 | Crispix | -__-. |
| 03:43.13 | Crispix | SErvers still not back up :( |
| 03:43.24 | End | my server isn't, but one of my alt servers is |
| 03:43.28 | Miravlix | valium, lots of valium Crispix |
| 03:43.34 | End | actually, our little "addon guild" alt server is the one I'm on |
| 03:44.03 | End | there are like 150 level 1 characters running around in durotar |
| 03:44.17 | Shadowd | nice |
| 03:44.28 | Kirov | yeah |
| 03:44.39 | Kirov | The server I'm on is like that too |
| 03:44.59 | Tem | why did I think that they had fixed the alt-tab sound issue like 5 months ago? |
| 03:45.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn (n=jbcc@d207-216-176-153.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 03:45.11 | End | because you installed Mozz's sound fix? |
| 03:45.18 | Esamynn | yawn, Evening all |
| 03:45.21 | Shadowd | Because you don't play the game with sounds on? |
| 03:45.25 | Cairenn | hey Esamynn |
| 03:45.26 | End | evening |
| 03:45.41 | Esamynn | you all SUCK at Stress Relief :P |
| 03:45.51 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.03 | Cairenn | sorry, my stress level is right up there today =/ |
| 03:46.29 | Esamynn | hehe, are the servers even up yet? |
| 03:46.43 | End | not my main's server :-/ |
| 03:46.47 | End | but Draka is up! |
| 03:46.50 | Shadowd | Depends how you want to look at it |
| 03:46.53 | Cairenn | yes, no, yes, no, yes, wait a sec, ummm no, oh maybe yea, err nope |
| 03:46.54 | Shadowd | they were up for like 10 minutes :p |
| 03:46.56 | Tain | There's my stress relief. |
| 03:47.02 | Esamynn | lol Cair |
| 03:47.03 | Shadowd | Cairenn descrbed it well! |
| 03:47.16 | Esamynn | <-- doesn't drink :( |
| 03:47.26 | Tain | Oh, people have WoW related stress? I haven't even gotten that far. |
| 03:47.36 | Esamynn | although sometimes I find my self wishing I did on patch day |
| 03:47.54 | End | I feel a little irritated, but I've gotten used to it on the most part |
| 03:48.03 | Tain | Drinking heavily was the only thing that got me through being in a heavy raiding guild. |
| 03:48.18 | End | to be honest, the servers are doing surprisingly well I think. if that says anything... |
| 03:48.20 | Tain | Once I cut back on the drinking I had to quit raiding. |
| 03:48.27 | ckknight | why, Tain? |
| 03:48.57 | Miravlix | Because raiders is brainless monsters that is tedius to be around? :> |
| 03:49.05 | Shadowd | It's stresful at times ckknight |
| 03:49.16 | Shadowd | And depending on your guild it gets tiring after a while |
| 03:49.42 | Esamynn | I enjoy Raiding, (well not MC anymore) |
| 03:50.05 | Tain | I can't deal with those people sober for any extended period. |
| 03:50.06 | Esamynn | on MC nights I volunteer to sit outside and code now ;) |
| 03:50.35 | End | I've ditched raids and gotten on alts to code before |
| 03:50.44 | End | well, only a couple times though, but I've done it |
| 03:50.47 | Esamynn | Cair, is something wrong with WoWI? |
| 03:50.53 | Cairenn | yes |
| 03:50.57 | Shadowd | it's a pain in the ass when you've been stuck on a boss for 2 gd months because half your guild is retarted and can't focus for 12 minutes :/ |
| 03:51.00 | Cairenn | god damn it |
| 03:51.02 | Esamynn | oh ok |
| 03:51.09 | Miravlix | Wowi has the patch day blues |
| 03:51.15 | Tain | Exactly Shadowd. |
| 03:51.26 | Cairenn | we're under attack Esamynn, Dolby managed to block the guy for a while, but it seems he's back =/ |
| 03:51.39 | Esamynn | ahh man, F'ing script kiddies |
| 03:51.40 | Shadowd | twin emps makes me cry :( |
| 03:51.55 | Shadowd | When did it start cair, today? |
| 03:51.57 | Esamynn | we're working on Huhu right now |
| 03:52.22 | Esamynn | ooh, its working for me again Cair |
| 03:52.23 | Cairenn | why someone in europe is trying to keep us from being able to stay up today, I'm not sure, but ... |
| 03:52.42 | Cairenn | yeah, Dolby keeps having to trace back and block this IP addy then that one then another one |
| 03:52.56 | Esamynn | its some stupid script kiddie who gets his shits and giggles by annoying others |
| 03:52.58 | Cairenn | yes, started just a while ago, sha |
| 03:53.04 | Cairenn | Shadowd* |
| 03:53.22 | Tain | It came back to me quickly while playing Oblivion how I felt playing Morrowind. It needs to be a MMOG so everyone else can see how cool my characters are. |
| 03:54.13 | Kirov | He's fast at blocking my IP too. |
| 03:54.17 | Kirov | er, I mean ... |
| 03:54.18 | malreth | cair: who ever it is probably has an army of bots on compromised PCs around the world |
| 03:54.19 | Kirov | ;) |
| 03:54.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:54.43 | Esamynn | evening Iriel |
| 03:54.49 | Tain | I'd like to join the conspiracy theorists here and toss my own suggestion that it's the management of another addon site that's paying people to perform attacks on patch day to make his site look better. |
| 03:54.50 | Cairenn | it's just ... damnit, I want to cry I'm so frigging frustrated at this point |
| 03:55.03 | malreth | don't let it get to you |
| 03:55.08 | malreth | it's what he wants |
| 03:55.12 | Cairenn | we'd finally gotten a working solution, as was obvious by our numbers earlier today |
| 03:55.14 | Wobin_ | Tain: Oblivion is so very pretty... if only my computer could handle it |
| 03:55.16 | ckknight | I'm crying for you, Cairenn, but I just think my eyes are irritated |
| 03:55.32 | Cairenn | and now this |
| 03:55.41 | malreth | kiddies like that don't attack the computers.. .they attack the people behind them |
| 03:55.59 | Tain | Wobin my computer screams at me when I play, I have to turn the settings way down. |
| 03:56.11 | Iriel | Evening -- what did I miss? |
| 03:56.23 | Cairenn | not much Iriel |
| 03:56.26 | Wobin_ | Tain: I'm sitting in a 640x480 fog filled room, and it still jerks about slowly =( |
| 03:56.44 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 03:56.49 | Tain | You missed a working nuclear fusion demonstration. |
| 03:56.56 | Wobin_ | It was great |
| 03:56.59 | Esamynn | damn! |
| 03:57.03 | End | A friend of mine beat oblivion :X |
| 03:57.15 | Iriel | Define "beat" |
| 03:57.16 | Tain | There is no beating Obvlivion. |
| 03:57.25 | Tain | Except if you mean the DVD media with a hammer. |
| 03:57.33 | Iriel | "Finished the main quest line" or 'did every quest and satisfied every self-indulgent urge while playing?" |
| 03:57.36 | End | he finished the main quest thingy and saved the empire or whatever? |
| 03:57.40 | Iriel | Because i'm not sure there's been enough time to manage the 2nd |
| 03:57.44 | Iriel | Ah, who cares about the empire |
| 03:57.50 | Wobin_ | screw the empire |
| 03:57.53 | Tain | What did the empire ever do for you? |
| 03:57.54 | Wobin_ | steal everything |
| 03:57.55 | Esamynn | haha |
| 03:57.55 | End | well, he didn't feel like helping beggars after being a great hero |
| 03:58.21 | Tain | Actually it just hit me today that I'm level 7 and haven't actually started the main quest line stuff. |
| 03:58.44 | Wobin_ | What, taking the amulet to the priory? |
| 03:58.51 | End | anyways, apparently the main quest line is really short |
| 03:58.52 | Iriel | The levels really add up once you start goofing around |
| 03:58.57 | End | or that's what it sounded like |
| 03:59.13 | Tain | I haven't been able to shake myself from stealing everything in sight. |
| 03:59.13 | Iriel | Does you friend use 'travel mode' ? |
| 03:59.32 | Iriel | Because I can see that vastly reducing the time required (and the enjoyment obtained, in my opinion) |
| 03:59.36 | End | I'm not sure what travel mode is... (I haven't played) |
| 03:59.39 | Wobin_ | For me it's very much "Ooooh shiny... click" |
| 03:59.49 | Iriel | Travel mode is where you just click on the map and it takes you there |
| 04:00.02 | End | ahh, if I had to guess, I'd say probably |
| 04:00.25 | Tain | I use Travel mode when I want to force myself to finish or advance a quest line without getting sidetracked. |
| 04:00.39 | Tain | Because otherwise it's, "Oooh what's in this cave?" |
| 04:00.56 | Iriel | I've had a few of those followed by 'damn, why didn't I save back there' 8-( |
| 04:01.02 | End | hehe |
| 04:01.10 | Iriel | Actually, more along the lines of 'those ruins look interesting' |
| 04:01.32 | Wobin_ | I like the fact that saves are pretty much instant =) |
| 04:01.52 | Tem | so, what is this game? |
| 04:02.04 | Wobin_ | Oblivion |
| 04:02.04 | Iriel | Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion |
| 04:02.07 | Wobin_ | (which I always type out as Oblivious) |
| 04:02.32 | Iriel | Single player RPG with little or no rails. |
| 04:02.53 | Tem | sounds fun |
| 04:02.57 | Tem | PC? |
| 04:03.01 | End | it looks fun too |
| 04:03.04 | Wobin_ | Or XBox 360 |
| 04:03.04 | End | yea |
| 04:03.08 | Iriel | I never played the previous ones, and I'm finding it most excellent |
| 04:03.13 | Wobin_ | Which actually runs it quite smoothly |
| 04:03.15 | Iriel | PC and 360 |
| 04:03.20 | Tain | I played Morrowind a lot. |
| 04:03.23 | Iriel | I'm playing it on the 360, and prefer the controls to the PC version |
| 04:03.45 | Wobin_ | is it haloesqe? |
| 04:03.45 | Iriel | I'd just like to add, Detect Life FTW |
| 04:04.07 | Tem | detect life? |
| 04:04.09 | Iriel | Fantasy setting |
| 04:04.19 | Tain | I'm just loving being a stealthy bow using bastard. |
| 04:04.31 | End | Detect Life is really purple |
| 04:04.33 | Wobin_ | stealthy 3X DAMAGE |
| 04:04.36 | Iriel | Tem: it's a spell that shows nearby 'living' things, through walls, for example |
| 04:04.41 | Tem | oh right you get to create your class on that type of game |
| 04:04.45 | Iriel | Yeah, my stealth and I are doing pretty well |
| 04:04.47 | Tain | With lots of Alchemy. Poisoning arrows is so great. |
| 04:04.58 | Iriel | Yes, you can literally create and name your own classes |
| 04:05.06 | Tem | I'm always afraid to gimp myself |
| 04:05.16 | Iriel | Bah, you worry too much 8-) |
| 04:05.20 | Tain | It's hard to in this Tem because you can still use *any* skill. |
| 04:05.23 | Tem | er, afraid of gimping myself |
| 04:05.35 | Tem | ah good |
| 04:05.44 | Tain | You choose primary skills, but that doesn't mean you can't use any other skill just as well. |
| 04:05.49 | Tem | with my luck, I'd pair professions that don't mesh at all |
| 04:05.53 | Iriel | if I was starting again i'd probably change my primaries a LITTLE bit |
| 04:06.04 | Iriel | but otherwise, it's pretty much even -- the stuff you use gets better, period. |
| 04:06.10 | Tain | It's a vastly different levelling and skill system than anything else. |
| 04:06.14 | Iriel | (All you'd do to yourself with a bad choice would be slow it down) |
| 04:06.21 | Esamynn | Sigh, I wish you could use XML templates with CreateFrame, I mean I understand why you can't but it's a tad annoying :( |
| 04:06.30 | Tem | meh |
| 04:06.43 | Tem | with a proper frame creation library, templates are a snap |
| 04:06.47 | Iriel | I love skilling up in acrobatics at entirely random moments |
| 04:06.49 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 04:06.56 | Wobin_ | we need a good frame creation library |
| 04:06.56 | End | I wish ForceLogout() did something |
| 04:07.03 | Tain | Slowing down levelling isn't a bad thing though since you can skill up too quickly and not get as much benefit as you could. |
| 04:07.10 | Wobin_ | Actually skilling up with stealth always scares the crap out of me |
| 04:07.12 | Esamynn | well my annoyance here is that I can't use the game standard templates such as CooldownFrameTemplate |
| 04:07.31 | Esamynn | I have to re-write them in Lua code if I want to use them |
| 04:07.35 | Wobin_ | *sneaksneaksneakKTHUN!* |
| 04:07.42 | Tain | Yep Esamynn, that's the way it is. |
| 04:07.56 | Tain | I still don't have my ActionButton template in Lua fully working. |
| 04:08.10 | Iriel | Tain: I'm not sure you CAN |
| 04:08.17 | Iriel | Tain: Button:SetText appears busted |
| 04:08.29 | Iriel | Tain: I can't figure out how to associate the right FontString to the button |
| 04:08.38 | Wobin_ | I wonder if you could get a library that basically copies the standard XML templates so you can 'use' them in dynamics |
| 04:08.47 | Wobin_ | (on the fly) |
| 04:08.51 | Iriel | On the fly, no |
| 04:09.05 | Iriel | But i'm sure I could whip up some clever XSLT given enough time and motivation |
| 04:09.13 | Tain | I'm struggling with not knowing for sure that I'm even using the right functions for everything, trying to match up exactly what's in XML to new functions. |
| 04:09.19 | Tem | Iriel: so are dynamic buttons completely fuzzed? |
| 04:09.19 | Esamynn | XSLT? |
| 04:09.29 | Iriel | Tem: If you want to use :SetText, yes |
| 04:09.37 | End | it translates xml basically |
| 04:09.39 | Iriel | Esamynn : XSL Transform, or whatever it is |
| 04:09.57 | Iriel | Esamynn : An XML based spec for transforming XML files to other things (or other XML formats) |
| 04:10.08 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 04:10.14 | Wobin_ | ~XSLT |
| 04:10.16 | purl | from memory, xslt is the Extended Stylesheet Language Transformations language, or at http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt, or useful for converting XML into HTML, or http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/1/15/1562/95011 |
| 04:10.42 | Wobin_ | ooh. Welcome to the department of redundancy department =P |
| 04:10.55 | Wobin_ | well, not really =P |
| 04:11.05 | Tem | Iriel: SetText on what? |
| 04:11.10 | Tem | The button directly? |
| 04:11.12 | Iriel | Tem: The button |
| 04:11.29 | Tem | so if you create a button, calling SetText does nothing? |
| 04:11.29 | Iriel | Tem: CreateFrame'd buttons just ignore it, and always GetText nil |
| 04:11.34 | Tem | bah |
| 04:11.52 | Iriel | Tem: I even tried CreateFontString on it to see if it just used the first one, but it doesn't seem to |
| 04:11.59 | Tain | Oh what though? You can't right now do ActionButton1:SetText(). Can you? |
| 04:12.08 | Iriel | Tem:So there's a trick there I haven't figured out, or message I missed. |
| 04:12.13 | Iriel | Tain: I thought you could |
| 04:12.18 | Iriel | Tain: But maybe i'm wrong |
| 04:12.25 | Iriel | Tain: But macro names show up there, dont they? |
| 04:12.28 | Tain | As far as I knew you couldn't. There's text layers. |
| 04:12.33 | Tain | Thats ActionButton1Name |
| 04:12.58 | Esamynn | have you tried Button:SetTextFontObject on the button first? |
| 04:13.10 | Tain | (I think ..Name) |
| 04:13.19 | Iriel | Esamynn : yes, it ignored that too |
| 04:13.25 | Iriel | Esamynn : but that's for a Font, not a FontString |
| 04:14.07 | Esamynn | if you're going to call Button:SetText, you would expect you to need to give it a font object first |
| 04:14.28 | Tem | I think you are misunderstanding the difference between Font objects and FontStrings |
| 04:14.34 | Iriel | Yes, But I did that. |
| 04:14.46 | malreth | heh... "many guilds require priests to use them [these mods]" ... Maybe they should require their priests to use skill! hissssss.... |
| 04:14.48 | Iriel | I would, however, expect it to remember what the text was, regardles of whether it had a font to display it with |
| 04:14.58 | Esamynn | true |
| 04:15.32 | Shadowd | malreth: Depends what the mods are |
| 04:15.51 | Corrodias | sigh.. world of warcraft involves so much of people's expectations of you |
| 04:16.15 | Iriel | Yay, California and the IRS both accepted my tax returns! |
| 04:16.21 | malreth | yay! |
| 04:16.23 | Iriel | (Things to do while waiting for WoW to come back up) |
| 04:16.26 | malreth | how much you getting back? |
| 04:16.38 | End | the IRS accepted mine, but I don't know if my state returns were accepted yet |
| 04:16.38 | Esamynn | as far as the default FrameXML templates go, for something simply like CooldownFrameTemplate, its unlikely its going to change, so making a Lua copy of the template isn't a problem, but for more complicated templates, it would be nice if you didn't have to recode them to Lua and keep them updated, ah well |
| 04:16.59 | Corrodias | Iriel: fraud? |
| 04:17.08 | Tain | I'm still pretty sure you can't actually SetText on a button itself, it needs a layer with a fontstring attached to that. |
| 04:17.13 | End | fraud is the bestest |
| 04:17.20 | End | wink |
| 04:17.26 | Iriel | malreth ; Enough to buy a new TV, I think. |
| 04:17.48 | malreth | yay... mine's going towards a new mac book pro |
| 04:17.49 | End | what sort of tv? |
| 04:17.58 | Tain | The IRS accepted my tax return the beginning of February. Then told me I couldn't have my refund because of an issue with my 2001 taxes. |
| 04:17.59 | End | a $3000 tv or a $200 tv |
| 04:18.00 | End | ? |
| 04:18.12 | Iriel | Tain: I agree, that's how it's behaving, but there's no way to tell the button WHICH FontString to use |
| 04:18.27 | Iriel | End: Something better than the 34" widescreen CRT I have now |
| 04:18.41 | End | well, that sounds good then |
| 04:18.49 | Tain | And they only decided to bring up 2001 now because it's past their regulations of having to give me a refund owed for that year. |
| 04:19.00 | ckknight | my advice: get a projector |
| 04:19.14 | Iriel | I'm worried abotu lamp life on projectors |
| 04:19.28 | Iriel | They dont do well if you turn them on and off a lot, and I dont watch extended amounts of tv |
| 04:19.31 | ckknight | my lamp life was supposed to be 2000 hours |
| 04:19.44 | ckknight | It's running at about 5100 hours no without problem |
| 04:19.48 | Iriel | There's usually a duty cycle count also, not sure what that is |
| 04:19.50 | ckknight | now* |
| 04:19.53 | Tain | Iriel the way I've always done text on buttons has been on ActionButton1Name, ActionButton1Count, ActionButton1HotKey, nothing ever shows setting text directly on the ActionButton1 |
| 04:20.19 | ckknight | I use my projector as my computer monitor |
| 04:20.24 | ckknight | which I also watch movies/tv shows on |
| 04:20.34 | Iriel | My tv's in an entirely different room |
| 04:20.57 | Iriel | I'll probably spend a few hours at a couple of stores looking at the various options |
| 04:21.50 | Iriel | The room w/ the TV does a have a good wall for projection tho, if I go that route, but that may be overkill, we'll see. |
| 04:22.12 | ckknight | I like my ten foot diagonal. |
| 04:22.16 | Iriel | The other concern with a projector, and maybe i'm just overly cautious, is the cost of good video cable |
| 04:22.40 | ckknight | video cable? |
| 04:22.40 | Iriel | With a projector that goes from being 4-6ft to being 20-30ft |
| 04:22.51 | End | I choose great days to decide to add new xml files. |
| 04:23.06 | ckknight | mine is 4 to 20 or so |
| 04:23.09 | Iriel | unless I want to rewire everything in the room |
| 04:23.39 | Tain | It's a valid concern with "name" cables like *shudder* Monster. Pricy as hell. But there are quality no-name alternatives. |
| 04:25.12 | Tain | I personally love everything I've gotten from here and will alwyas look here first in the future. http://www.cablewholesale.com/ |
| 04:25.14 | Iriel | Well, i've yet to run into really good 'cheap no-name alternatives' |
| 04:26.23 | L|Elviso | So, yeah....DAB isn't remembering keybindings and the button conditions aren't working....anyone else experiencing this? |
| 04:26.45 | Esamynn | so does :SetText work on non-dynamic buttons? |
| 04:26.55 | Tem | yes |
| 04:27.59 | Tem | Iriel: ActionButton1:SetText("Hi Mom") |
| 04:28.09 | Tem | Iriel: /dump ActionButton1:GetText() |
| 04:28.13 | Tem | "empty result" |
| 04:28.18 | Iriel | Hm |
| 04:28.29 | Iriel | Well then, probably not a problem 8-) |
| 04:28.51 | Tem | but action buttons are check buttons |
| 04:29.02 | Crispix | http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hunterchangeprotest ... wow .. look at all the crazies |
| 04:29.06 | Tem | the set text might always fail on those |
| 04:29.07 | Esamynn | that result seems strange though, why can you use those methods on buttons if they don't do anything? |
| 04:30.15 | Tem | what undocumented changes? |
| 04:30.19 | Esamynn | oh wait, nm, here is an XML button that the default UI uses :SetText on, it has a <NormalText inherits="QuestFont" justifyH="LEFT"> defined in it |
| 04:30.42 | Shadowd | They didn't document sucking so that counts as undocumented changes. |
| 04:31.11 | Tem | I wish they would take the enrage off bosses like magmadar |
| 04:31.18 | Tem | so we could just get rid of hunters completely |
| 04:31.23 | Tem | I hate em |
| 04:31.28 | Shadowd | you mean frenzy? :p |
| 04:31.29 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 04:31.47 | Shadowd | Enrage = the thing that one shots your tank, Frenzy = the thing that makes the boss hit harder |
| 04:31.51 | Tem | no offence to hunters in present company |
| 04:31.55 | Esamynn | why the hate for Hunters |
| 04:32.07 | Tem | too damn many of them |
| 04:32.15 | Iriel | You dont see me requesting that mages get eliminated do you? |
| 04:32.16 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:32.23 | Esamynn | how about Rogues? |
| 04:32.26 | Esamynn | or Mages? |
| 04:32.26 | Tem | their pets always f'ing breaking my sheep |
| 04:32.37 | Tem | and they always roll on my rogue's gear |
| 04:32.39 | Iriel | Okay, so eliminate BAD hunters |
| 04:32.44 | Cairenn | yeah, really |
| 04:33.07 | Tem | also, I've been 2 shot by them one 2 many times in BGs |
| 04:33.19 | Tem | s/e 2/e too/ |
| 04:33.21 | Esamynn | while we're at it lets elimiate the BAD Mages, Warlocks, Druids, Warriors, Rogues, Shamans, Priests and Paladins too....... |
| 04:33.31 | Kirov | So, what undocumented changes where made to hunter sin 1.10? |
| 04:33.33 | Esamynn | then we can all be happy |
| 04:33.38 | Iriel | And those who are bad at MATH |
| 04:33.52 | Esamynn | oooh, good call |
| 04:33.57 | Iriel | And/or PROBABILITY (Yes, also math, but more explicit) |
| 04:33.57 | Shadowd | Lets just eliminate Rogues, most of them suck anyway |
| 04:34.09 | Tem | what's that about? |
| 04:34.18 | Tem | the 2 shot comment? |
| 04:34.22 | Esamynn | Rogues are required for Vael |
| 04:34.39 | Iriel | What? Math/probability?? |
| 04:34.49 | Tem | yeah casters are pretty useless on vael because of the interrupts |
| 04:35.07 | Tem | Iriel: yeah the math/probability thing |
| 04:35.10 | Shadowd | Not really required for vael, but makes it a lot easier |
| 04:35.13 | Esamynn | Tem: well more because no other class can dump their unlimited Power supply like rogues can |
| 04:35.15 | Iriel | That's abotu people who whine about perfectly normal results just because they're not in their favor |
| 04:35.48 | Tem | oh |
| 04:35.50 | Shadowd | Thats only Dagger Rogues, sword rogues aren't "that" uber during vael |
| 04:36.05 | Esamynn | Warriors come close, but only after 20% |
| 04:36.38 | Shadowd | Could replace sword rogues with fury warriors to a point |
| 04:36.56 | Shadowd | for vael that is |
| 04:36.59 | Tem | warriors and hunters are on my bad side at the moment since they were among the majority of the people crying nerf on my trinkets because I had a one in a million shot of 2 shotting them |
| 04:37.12 | Tem | meanwhile, they can do the same with less offort |
| 04:37.21 | Tem | s/offort/effort/ |
| 04:37.27 | Esamynn | to a point though, and as I said, Warriors can't dump their rage well until after 20%, a good rogue = about 100k dmg on Vael |
| 04:37.37 | Iriel | I guess these patch issues are the excuse to play Oblivion I wanted, so i'm going to wander off and do that for a while |
| 04:37.43 | Iriel | I have herbs to pick |
| 04:37.54 | Tem | heh, later Iriel |
| 04:37.55 | Shadowd | Most of Swords damage is white damage though, so they still aren't as effective as a dagger rogue is, and thus not really required. |
| 04:38.32 | Esamynn | true |
| 04:38.46 | Shadowd | Anyway, servers aren't coming up anytime soon apparently so going to go read a book. |
| 04:38.50 | Tem | so, no has yet to mention what the big change is this patch for hunters that they are so mad at? |
| 04:39.01 | Tem | good lord my typing is crappy |
| 04:39.03 | Esamynn | which one in particular? |
| 04:39.04 | Shadowd | normalization |
| 04:39.13 | Esamynn | trap nerf? |
| 04:39.23 | Tem | I wasn't aware of any trap nerf |
| 04:39.30 | Shadowd | Traps now act like stealthed Rogues tem |
| 04:39.36 | Tem | big deal |
| 04:39.37 | Shadowd | When you get close enough to them you can see them |
| 04:39.42 | Tem | I still won't see it until it traps me |
| 04:39.46 | Esamynn | true enough |
| 04:39.53 | Esamynn | so what are you referring to? |
| 04:39.54 | Shadowd | Yeah, it's something silly like you dont see it until you're within 5y |
| 04:39.58 | Tem | chain-trapping hunters are high on my hate list |
| 04:40.16 | Shadowd | chain trapping is so very fun |
| 04:40.24 | Esamynn | yay for diminishing returns :P |
| 04:40.40 | Shadowd | Think I managed to run a level 28 shaman around ashenvale for like 15 minutes as a 21 hunter |
| 04:40.41 | Esamynn | ~lart Shadowd |
| 04:40.43 | Tem | though, I suppose it will give perception a use in hunter duels |
| 04:40.45 | Shadowd | that was fun |
| 04:41.06 | Miravlix | If I don't trap I die in 2 seconds |
| 04:41.37 | Esamynn | Learn2Play |
| 04:41.39 | Miravlix | and you shouldn't learn to play? |
| 04:41.40 | Tem | I haven't ever played a hunter so my opinion doesn't matter |
| 04:41.56 | Miravlix | It's legal game play, so if you can't deal with it, it your problem |
| 04:42.10 | Tem | oh, I CAN deal with it |
| 04:42.15 | Tem | Iceblock ftw |
| 04:42.20 | Shadowd | Chain trapping gets kind of silly at times, but most hunters are stupid and send there pet on you as soon as they trap and keep doing it even when you get trapped again so it doesn't matter. |
| 04:42.29 | Esamynn | Miravlix: you do know freezing trap is affected by diminishing returns now right? |
| 04:42.37 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 04:42.52 | Tem | I wish I could blink out of it though |
| 04:42.54 | Miravlix | But since diminishing return is on a 15s wipe timer |
| 04:43.04 | Miravlix | and I have a 15s delay on 'chain' trapping... |
| 04:43.05 | Esamynn | after the end of the CC |
| 04:43.13 | Esamynn | not the beginning |
| 04:43.29 | Tem | that's all? |
| 04:43.31 | Miravlix | then it's hardly hard waiting 6 seconds after a trap ends to use it again |
| 04:43.32 | Legorol | what is chain trapping? |
| 04:43.35 | Tem | that's disappointing |
| 04:43.55 | Wobin_ | Ice trap. Aimed shot shotshot feign death icetrap |
| 04:44.04 | Wobin_ | repeat |
| 04:44.06 | Miravlix | No |
| 04:44.09 | Legorol | ehm.. wait a sec.. |
| 04:44.13 | Tem | Legorol: chain trapping is the cheapest of hunter tricks. you trap your opponent in a freezing trap and use feing death to get out of combat. then trap again |
| 04:44.15 | Legorol | i thought you can only cast a trap out of combat? |
| 04:44.19 | Kirov | Ice trap, wait 6 seconds, drop trap, aimed shot |
| 04:44.20 | Miravlix | Ice trap: Aimed Shot 3s so we have 12 seconds cooldonw now |
| 04:44.22 | Shadowd | yeah thats why you feign then trap |
| 04:44.29 | Legorol | FD gets you out of combat??? |
| 04:44.30 | Legorol | wow |
| 04:44.30 | Miravlix | 4s if you do a perfect as/fd |
| 04:44.38 | Kirov | Legorol - um, yes |
| 04:44.39 | Legorol | that is silly |
| 04:44.41 | Iriel | It HAS to get you out of combat |
| 04:44.43 | Tem | Legorol: yeah hunters use that all the time |
| 04:44.44 | Wobin_ | That's the point =P |
| 04:44.45 | Iriel | You're pretending to be DEAD |
| 04:44.52 | Miravlix | Thats the point of FD to get you out of combat |
| 04:44.55 | L|Elviso | lol, newsflash |
| 04:44.58 | Legorol | well i can understand it wipes the threat level on a mob |
| 04:45.04 | Legorol | or that you get OOC against an NPC |
| 04:45.08 | Legorol | but versus humans? |
| 04:45.12 | Kirov | Sure |
| 04:45.14 | Legorol | it's not like a human is fooled by FD |
| 04:45.15 | Shadowd | Really chain trapping only works in duels |
| 04:45.19 | Kirov | Or you can just way 6 seconds |
| 04:45.23 | Shadowd | It's pretty pointless in WSG/AB |
| 04:45.24 | Iriel | FD has a hefty cooldown though, doesn't it? (I dont use it much unless i'm in REAL trouble) |
| 04:45.27 | Kirov | And you're dropped out of combat anyways |
| 04:45.33 | Shadowd | Iriel: 30 seconds |
| 04:45.34 | Tem | Shadowd: yeah you are right, but it's still way annoying |
| 04:45.35 | Esamynn | 30s cooldown on FD |
| 04:45.43 | Miravlix | I'm always in real trouble if anyone is in melee range |
| 04:45.54 | Miravlix | Markmanship glass canon build. :p |
| 04:45.54 | Wobin_ | FD is highly useful in groups |
| 04:45.55 | Iriel | Real trouble usually == everyone else is dead |
| 04:46.00 | Wobin_ | As long as the priest isn't next on the list |
| 04:46.01 | Legorol | one of my mains is a hunter and i have never done chain trapping |
| 04:46.01 | Shadowd | Tem: Annoying, but it's not as bad as people say because it only effect duels, and they have a huge advantage anyway because they can wind up aimed shot easly |
| 04:46.02 | Legorol | wow |
| 04:46.04 | Legorol | i have to try this |
| 04:46.14 | Legorol | Miravlix: use that slowing melee skill, whatever it's called |
| 04:46.15 | Legorol | wing clip |
| 04:46.19 | Miravlix | It's not like a rogues chain stunning |
| 04:46.20 | Legorol | then you get miles away in cheetah form |
| 04:46.23 | Kirov | melee range = scatter shot or wing clip |
| 04:46.28 | Legorol | turn around, do the shot that slows them |
| 04:46.30 | Shadowd | Stunlock rogues do basically no damage |
| 04:46.35 | Esamynn | I'm a Druid, I enjoy eating hunters ;) |
| 04:46.38 | Miravlix | It's on a 15 seconds delay between trap cast, trap last 6 or so seconds |
| 04:46.51 | Miravlix | It's nothing like a chain stun session |
| 04:46.54 | Kirov | Rogues who stun lock hunters are dumb |
| 04:46.56 | Tem | Shadowd: I'm lucky with my mage. I can usually avoid traps and if I get one I block out of it |
| 04:47.15 | Shadowd | Half the time it's just not being stupid really either, you don't run in a direct straight line at the hunter |
| 04:47.21 | Miravlix | It's not even a chain with the 10s free time between traps |
| 04:47.27 | Tem | seems to confuse the hell out of a hunter when I blink behind him after they have layed a trap in front |
| 04:47.50 | Miravlix | I have conc shot though |
| 04:47.57 | Miravlix | Thats another 6 seconds or so |
| 04:48.09 | Wobin_ | conc is only a slowdown at best |
| 04:48.12 | Legorol | so the diminishing return timer, |
| 04:48.15 | Wobin_ | (well, it's a stun at best) |
| 04:48.27 | Miravlix | Scatter shot ugh |
| 04:48.27 | Legorol | how long is that and does it start after the end of the trap? |
| 04:48.34 | Miravlix | Wrong ability sorry |
| 04:48.47 | Wobin_ | I thought scattershot was only 3seconds |
| 04:48.48 | Miravlix | Scatter is a 'charm' break on damage |
| 04:48.52 | Kirov | mage - conc shot, aimed shot, multi-shot, if they didn't crit scorpid sting, melee and run around them. |
| 04:49.18 | Wobin_ | wingclipwingclipscattershot to break casting |
| 04:49.41 | Esamynn | quick Font question, have Font objects replaced :SetFont entirely? |
| 04:49.46 | Miravlix | I have Broken Tooth it's a pain for casters with a 1s attack speed pet |
| 04:49.51 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 04:49.55 | Wobin_ | I should train up my BT |
| 04:49.55 | Iriel | Esamynn : No |
| 04:50.00 | Iriel | Esamynn : You can use either |
| 04:50.01 | Wobin_ | but it's so much effort |
| 04:50.12 | Esamynn | k, had to ask ;) |
| 04:50.19 | Iriel | Esamynn : depending on whether you want to inherit font settings from a common resource (SetFontObject) or explicitly set one for an object (SetFont) |
| 04:50.35 | Miravlix | I can pretty much slowdown 5+ horde trying to catch a friendly flag carrier |
| 04:50.37 | Kirov | My girlfriend found broken tooth walking in to Badlands for the first time |
| 04:50.53 | Miravlix | because they all go for the flag carrier giving me time to wing clip, trap and stuff eveyrone for ages |
| 04:51.12 | Esamynn | k, thats what I thought (I was just too lazy do dig) ;) |
| 04:51.18 | L|Elviso | um scattershot is a disorient |
| 04:51.21 | L|Elviso | def not a charm |
| 04:51.31 | Miravlix | disorient and charm works the same |
| 04:51.35 | Miravlix | so to me it's the same |
| 04:51.44 | L|Elviso | diff diminishing returns |
| 04:51.59 | L|Elviso | traps are disorients too |
| 04:52.07 | L|Elviso | so SS+trap= like 8s trap |
| 04:52.12 | Miravlix | Aah, so I scatter, ice trap, MC |
| 04:52.16 | L|Elviso | now that its been fixed |
| 04:52.28 | Wobin_ | MC? |
| 04:52.39 | Miravlix | gnomish Mind Control cap for the fun |
| 04:52.41 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 04:53.04 | Miravlix | those engi tools have there uses. |
| 04:53.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JIMtheInventor (n=JIMdInve@d205-250-79-128.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 04:54.24 | JIMtheInventor | Cheeeee .... Draka has been overrun by level 1 idiots. |
| 04:55.15 | Wobin_ | What's the cooldown on jumper cables? |
| 04:55.20 | Miravlix | 30 |
| 04:55.33 | Miravlix | 1 hour for cloaking device |
| 04:55.43 | Miravlix | 5 or 10 for -140 attack power |
| 04:55.47 | Miravlix | net is 10 min |
| 04:55.58 | Wobin_ | well.. I might... |
| 04:55.59 | JIMtheInventor | Rocket Helmet: 20 min :-) |
| 04:56.00 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 04:56.09 | Wobin_ | I may start a new 'lock for that |
| 04:56.27 | Esamynn | Ok, time for a silly question: Frame:GetRegions() What's a Region? |
| 04:56.30 | JIMtheInventor | Grab someone on "the other side" of the specialization tree |
| 04:56.51 | Wobin_ | JIM: how do you mean? |
| 04:56.57 | Iriel | Esamynn : FontString / Texture |
| 04:57.02 | JIMtheInventor | If you go Gnome, find a Goblin Engineer early |
| 04:57.04 | Iriel | Esamynn : See http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 04:57.06 | JIMtheInventor | arrange exchanges |
| 04:57.13 | JIMtheInventor | and vice versa |
| 04:58.16 | Miravlix | *nodnods* good advice |
| 04:58.20 | JIMtheInventor | Perhaps people can help me with a problem I'm having with a GameTooltipTemplate (SetAction)... |
| 04:58.25 | Miravlix | You just need gnome/goblin engi to make an item |
| 04:58.29 | Miravlix | but plain engi skill to use |
| 04:58.43 | Iriel | JIM Let me guess, it's coming up blank |
| 04:58.49 | JIMtheInventor | It is. :-( |
| 04:58.54 | Esamynn | Iriel: WoWWiki only has: Frame:GetNumRegions() - Return the number of Regions that are children of this frame. thus my question ;) |
| 04:59.08 | Iriel | JIM Do tooltip:SetOwner(WorldFrame, "ANCHOR_NONE") before you use it |
| 04:59.17 | Iriel | Esamynn : Yes, but "Region" is described in there |
| 04:59.31 | Esamynn | lol, jeez, i'm blind tonight |
| 04:59.31 | JIMtheInventor | I shall do so. Thank you. |
| 04:59.52 | JIMtheInventor | Iriel - this one's fundamental to all my AddOns. You're doing me a great service. |
| 04:59.54 | Iriel | Esamynn : 8-) |
| 05:00.11 | Iriel | JIMtheInventor : Heh, i'm just repeating the knowledge, someone else figured that one out 8-) |
| 05:00.24 | JIMtheInventor | :-) |
| 05:01.00 | Legorol | Iriel, however, you are the greatest collection of UI arcana that is around... hence you are the one people ask :D |
| 05:01.30 | JIMtheInventor | I was cool with anyone asking ... but Iriel's answered at least 3 of my biggest questions. ;-) |
| 05:01.35 | JIMtheInventor | answering, I mean |
| 05:02.08 | JIMtheInventor | Yep that did it. Tooltip completely repaired. |
| 05:02.42 | Iriel | You can probably guess that this question has come up a lot lately (Since I answered the question before you actually asked it) 8-) |
| 05:03.09 | Iriel | Ok.. i'm REALLY idling this time, bbl |
| 05:03.26 | End | lies. |
| 05:03.29 | JIMtheInventor | *chuckle* ... That tends to happen in my customer service job too. Something fundamental changes and ... look out front desk people |
| 05:04.22 | Miravlix | SetAnchor, Movement hooks poof, New channeling event, RegisterForSave, thats 1.10 in a nut shell for most addons |
| 05:04.25 | End | heyyy...my server is up! |
| 05:05.17 | Esamynn | heh, no one ever mentions the other Function that now requires a hardware event ;) |
| 05:05.37 | Miravlix | StopSpellCasting() |
| 05:05.46 | Miravlix | It just for cheater mods |
| 05:05.47 | Esamynn | no no, not that one |
| 05:06.01 | Esamynn | the other one |
| 05:06.08 | End | RFS? |
| 05:06.10 | End | or whatever |
| 05:06.18 | End | wait |
| 05:06.19 | End | no |
| 05:06.25 | End | that's not it, you said hardware event |
| 05:06.27 | Esamynn | the function that toggle auto-casting on pet spells |
| 05:06.36 | JIMtheInventor | heh! |
| 05:06.39 | End | oh, I wouldn't know anything about -that- one |
| 05:06.45 | Esamynn | :P |
| 05:07.42 | Esamynn | Miravlix, what classes do you play? |
| 05:09.58 | End | interesting, when trying to reach wowi, it sometimes gives a blank page |
| 05:10.14 | End | hmm, maybe just the first time |
| 05:10.16 | JIMtheInventor | "FishingBuddy has been blocked ..." *snicker* |
| 05:10.20 | JIMtheInventor | This is such an adventure. |
| 05:10.23 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:10.31 | Miravlix | Druid, Warrior, Hunter, Priest, Rogue, Paladin, Warlock, Shaman, Mage |
| 05:10.38 | Miravlix | Did I forget any? I play them all |
| 05:10.47 | JIMtheInventor | That's all 9. |
| 05:11.00 | Esamynn | was just curious |
| 05:11.48 | Wobin_ | Your favourite class, Mir? |
| 05:11.49 | JIMtheInventor | There goes ItemRack. *sigh* ... poor Gello. |
| 05:11.50 | Miravlix | My primary is Nelf Druid, played that since US Beta |
| 05:12.07 | Esamynn | don't believe it Jim |
| 05:12.11 | Wobin_ | at least it wasn't a NE hunter =) |
| 05:12.22 | Esamynn | there is a bug in the detection code that ItemRack seems to get hit a lot by |
| 05:12.35 | End | hmm works fine for me |
| 05:12.41 | Esamynn | ItemRack wored just fine for me on Test |
| 05:12.44 | End | maybe it is in the event code? |
| 05:12.48 | Esamynn | s/wored/worked/ |
| 05:12.53 | End | since I don't use any of that |
| 05:12.57 | JIMtheInventor | Mmm. Ths one ... I think ... happened in response to a change aura event |
| 05:12.59 | Esamynn | the event code should be fine as well |
| 05:13.07 | End | huh, I dunno what is wrong then |
| 05:13.10 | JIMtheInventor | I might not have the most recent version though |
| 05:13.19 | Esamynn | I used 1.9 on Test |
| 05:13.31 | Esamynn | Gello says 1.92 is 1.10 compatible |
| 05:13.32 | JIMtheInventor | 1.893 here |
| 05:13.36 | JIMtheInventor | *nod* |
| 05:13.41 | JIMtheInventor | I'll fix it up. |
| 05:14.09 | Esamynn | I ran into a bug in the code where I re-enabled the CTRA file that gets blocked and the game blamed ItemRack, that was on test last night |
| 05:14.21 | Esamynn | when I get a chance I'm going to track it down and let slouken know |
| 05:14.45 | Miravlix | It happends a lot, it's a feature |
| 05:15.07 | JIMtheInventor | I think I know of that bug. One of my helpers reported it ... it's a nil being passed to UseAction |
| 05:15.08 | Miravlix | Libraries has a really high risk factor for getting blocked |
| 05:15.12 | Esamynn | it shouldn't be blaming AddOns that aren't hooking though |
| 05:15.21 | JIMtheInventor | well, it can't help it really |
| 05:15.28 | Miravlix | It just look at what the current this is |
| 05:15.39 | JIMtheInventor | whatever's making the error is giving bad info to the AddOns that work normally |
| 05:15.41 | Miravlix | It can't tell where the function is from |
| 05:15.51 | Esamynn | yes it can |
| 05:15.59 | Esamynn | it can tell what file the function is being called from |
| 05:16.08 | Esamynn | or it should be able to anyways |
| 05:16.17 | Miravlix | Why? |
| 05:16.21 | JIMtheInventor | yes, but ... when the error occurs, it really is happening in ItemRack ... or Cooldown Pulse, or whatever |
| 05:16.39 | End | I don't think it knows what file, although I'm sure it would be possible to do |
| 05:16.54 | Esamynn | how does it report errors then? |
| 05:17.01 | End | the taint simply seems to record addon, and not the file |
| 05:17.04 | Miravlix | Lua doen't record tat information. I fully expect the seterrorhandler to break badly due to Khaos, Chronos and stuff like that |
| 05:18.14 | Esamynn | Jim: ItemRack doesn't hook movement functions though, so I'm left wondering why it is being blamed |
| 05:18.29 | Esamynn | anyways, something to look into |
| 05:18.49 | JIMtheInventor | ah. I see. I thought you were getting a standard 'nil' error or the like. |
| 05:18.49 | Legorol | what's the question about tainting? |
| 05:18.50 | End | well, basically, the blocking works like a taint. all addon code starts out taint. anything they touch becomes tainted as well, and if a tainted "thread |
| 05:18.52 | Miravlix | if it has hooks, other addons can trigger the block but itemrack get blamed |
| 05:19.02 | Legorol | Miravlix: seterrorhandler is gone, or is going to go |
| 05:19.05 | Legorol | slouken said so |
| 05:19.06 | End | " calls a protected function, then the game steps in |
| 05:19.09 | Legorol | it's basically useless to us |
| 05:19.15 | Legorol | as soon as you call it, the entire UI blocks |
| 05:19.39 | Miravlix | Aww, was getting my hopes up there. :p |
| 05:19.40 | Legorol | as in any of the keybindings that call blocked functions start throwing the blocked message |
| 05:19.42 | Esamynn | which is too bad, but thats the way it is |
| 05:19.56 | Esamynn | anyways, back in a bit all |
| 05:20.02 | Legorol | oh actually sorry let me rephrase that |
| 05:20.03 | JIMtheInventor | Be well 'til then. |
| 05:20.06 | Legorol | i was thinking of an older email |
| 05:20.15 | Legorol | it's not going away, but it's going to be changed, if not changed already |
| 05:20.30 | Legorol | i forgot to test it with latest PTR update |
| 05:20.47 | Legorol | so we will still have it |
| 05:21.19 | Miravlix | My hope is that Khaos can recover gracefully from calling a bad registered function |
| 05:21.41 | Miravlix | At the moment if a registered addon with Khaos breaks it can bring down khaos |
| 05:22.03 | Legorol | you mean it throws a blocked message with Khaos in it? |
| 05:22.16 | JIMtheInventor | Add more pcall statements! That'll fix everything. ;-) |
| 05:22.17 | Miravlix | No |
| 05:22.18 | Legorol | a lot of random addons will get the blame for a misbehaving addon |
| 05:22.27 | Miravlix | But where the code dies Khaos hangs and dies. |
| 05:22.45 | Legorol | right, e.g. in a callback? |
| 05:22.49 | Miravlix | Killing setting up all other addons registered with it. |
| 05:23.17 | Miravlix | callback/feedback and other external calls can fubar |
| 05:23.23 | Legorol | well, if the user does follow the instruction and disable the addon that is mentioned in the message, there is a chance that actually fixes the issue |
| 05:23.42 | Legorol | frankly, the user shouldn't be using any addons that call blocked functions |
| 05:23.46 | Legorol | if they do... tough luck |
| 05:23.52 | Crispix | http://gear.ign.com/articles/698/698241p1.html :O |
| 05:24.10 | Legorol | but yeah it would be nice to protect against it anyways |
| 05:24.18 | Legorol | i'm wondering if pcall can deal with it, but not sure |
| 05:24.48 | Miravlix | Blocked is one thing, a classic nil error will kill the code execution too |
| 05:25.07 | Miravlix | because lua stops right there and then and khaos never regains code execution |
| 05:25.54 | malreth|away | well, pcall can pretect against that... nil errors are propagated, right? |
| 05:26.02 | malreth|away | it's the blocked messages that aren't... |
| 05:26.09 | Miravlix | seterrorhandler as I visioned it would still allow Khaos to wake it self up after a registered function died |
| 05:26.33 | JIMtheInventor | Sweet. Thanks for drawing my attention to that, Crispix. |
| 05:28.06 | JIMtheInventor | Heh ... I just got the message "[=H=] has come online." |
| 05:28.54 | Legorol | Miravlix, i don't think seterrorhandler would help |
| 05:29.05 | Legorol | the blocked messages are not handled by the Lua script error code |
| 05:29.15 | Miravlix | wow |
| 05:29.19 | Legorol | they fire an event, something called ADDON_BLOCKED or some such, if i remember correctly |
| 05:29.21 | Miravlix | I'm not talking about blocked |
| 05:29.44 | Legorol | for nil errors, seterrorhandler could help |
| 05:29.52 | Legorol | but then pcall is probably easier to do |
| 05:29.52 | Miravlix | I'm talking about if nil.something == "hula" then |
| 05:29.53 | malreth|away | GAH! what the hell is with the sudden rash of "CT_Raid got me banned!!!" postings! |
| 05:30.09 | Legorol | lol |
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| 05:30.16 | Legorol | it's probably a misunderstanding of the Blocked message |
| 05:30.31 | Legorol | people use old CTRA and get scared by the ".....BANNED...." message |
| 05:30.38 | Legorol | selective vision ftw |
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| 05:31.41 | malreth|away | no... it's people posting their account closure messages from blizz and then pointing the finger at CTRaid |
| 05:32.23 | Miravlix | Why do they point at CTRaid as reason, what does the account banning message say that links to CTR? |
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| 05:34.19 | JIMtheInventor | Erm. Sorry for all the 'leave' messages. I've ... not really been on IRC before. Keep pushing ESC to cancel messages. :-/ |
| 05:41.47 | Miravlix | That must be pretty annoying |
| 05:42.03 | JIMtheInventor | Heh ... I can live with the minor annoyances. |
| 05:42.05 | Miravlix | Mine just beeps when I hit esc |
| 05:42.26 | Miravlix | I would actually prefair if it quit instead |
| 05:42.29 | Miravlix | I hate beeps |
| 05:42.46 | JIMtheInventor | Are you using mIRC? I'm using Trillian. |
| 05:43.35 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 05:44.07 | Miravlix | I looked around then downloaded the worst irc program I could find, so I'm constantly annoyed when on IRC and ready to fight anyone |
| 05:44.31 | Cairenn | rofl Miravlix |
| 05:45.19 | JIMtheInventor | Well, for all your directness, you're well spoken. |
| 05:48.28 | Wobin_ | Thank god |
| 05:48.43 | Kemayo | Miravlix: So, mIRC then? |
| 05:48.45 | Wobin_ | It's much more entertaining to argue with someone who doesn't use leet speak |
| 05:48.47 | Kemayo | :-P |
| 05:49.09 | Kemayo | (I became addicted to emoticons when I started using IRC. It's an awful habit.) |
| 05:49.46 | JIMtheInventor | \/\/|-|47 4|23 Y0 74L|<||\|6 4B0u7? |
| 05:49.59 | Wobin_ | Hehe took you a little while to type that out, didn't it? =) |
| 05:50.03 | Cairenn|sleep | lol JIMtheInventor |
| 05:50.07 | JIMtheInventor | Yeah. I'm not a native. |
| 05:50.08 | Kemayo | Wobin: The proof of your lie is that you didn't end that sentence with ";-)" |
| 05:50.11 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 05:50.18 | JIMtheInventor | G'night, Cairenn |
| 05:50.27 | Wobin_ | I've been trying to cut down |
| 05:50.35 | Wobin_ | But it's =) hard =) |
| 05:51.08 | Tem | nitght Cair |
| 05:51.30 | Wobin_ | nini Cair |
| 05:52.13 | Tem | hmm |
| 05:52.26 | Tem | what draw level should I put my button's textures in? |
| 05:52.46 | Tem | (the NormalTexture, ect) |
| 05:52.49 | JIMtheInventor | You're not talking about Minimap buttons, I take it. (I set those to LOW) |
| 05:53.05 | Tem | I'm talking about action buttson |
| 05:53.14 | Tem | buttons* |
| 05:53.14 | Tem | and I'm not talking about frameStrata |
| 05:53.21 | JIMtheInventor | ah. Sorry. |
| 05:53.27 | JIMtheInventor | I'll just butt out then. :-) |
| 05:53.47 | Tem | I'm talking about draw level. ie "ARTWORK" "BORDER" "OVERLAY" ect |
| 05:54.17 | JIMtheInventor | would it help for me to cnosult where Blizzard put theirs? |
| 05:54.21 | JIMtheInventor | consult, that is |
| 05:54.33 | Tem | not really |
| 05:54.40 | Tem | maybe it doesn't matter |
| 05:55.18 | Miravlix | You mean Z order? |
| 05:55.35 | Miravlix | Shouldn't you ask the Action Bars for it's z order and do +1 or -1 forgot how it works |
| 05:56.04 | Wobin_ | http://pics.livejournal.com/dashoj/pic/0005r0zg |
| 05:57.04 | Tem | Miravlix: no that's not really what I'm asking either |
| 05:57.35 | JIMtheInventor | "Layers" is what - she? - is asking about |
| 05:59.29 | Tem | he |
| 05:59.45 | JIMtheInventor | Alright. Thank you. Was going by your Wiz boards avvy. :-) |
| 05:59.52 | Tem | I'm attempting to dynamically create an Action button |
| 05:59.58 | Tem | aye, I understand JIMtheInventor |
| 06:00.08 | JIMtheInventor | JIM is fine. :-) |
| 06:00.17 | Tem | meh, tab is only a pinky away |
| 06:00.21 | Wobin_ | tab completion, though =) |
| 06:00.25 | JIMtheInventor | heh!! |
| 06:00.28 | JIMtheInventor | awesome. |
| 06:00.44 | JIMtheInventor | Hmmm. Neat. Works on Trillian too. |
| 06:00.50 | Tem | I couldn't spell half of anyone's name around here without it |
| 06:01.32 | Wobin_ | Why's that, Tum? |
| 06:01.48 | Tem | is that humor or a funny coincidence? |
| 06:01.59 | Wobin_ | humour =P |
| 06:03.09 | Tem | so anyway, to create a texture, I need to give it a draw level |
| 06:03.34 | Tem | and I'm pretty sure I need to actually create a texture for hightlight and checked since they both have alphaMode attributes I will need to set |
| 06:04.32 | Wobin_ | hehe http://www.worldofwar.net/comics/heroesofwow/chapter22/index.php |
| 06:05.41 | JIMtheInventor | Nicely illustrated |
| 06:06.18 | ckknight | lol |
| 06:06.33 | Tem | haha, that's awesome |
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| 06:16.04 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:16.26 | JIMtheInventor | Welcome back. |
| 06:16.33 | malreth | woo... there out in full force right now on the forum... |
| 06:16.48 | JIMtheInventor | More about CTRaid? :-p |
| 06:21.28 | malreth | yeah... |
| 06:21.59 | JIMtheInventor | We should buy the CTRaid team a bouquet of flowers or something. |
| 06:24.44 | Crispix | woah.. my UI still works |
| 06:27.08 | Tem | noooo! |
| 06:27.16 | Tem | my assignment got pushed back to friday |
| 06:27.26 | Tem | I was so done with that stress |
| 06:27.29 | Tem | damnit! |
| 06:28.39 | Tem | and with the extra time, he will probably expect our programs to actually work |
| 06:28.46 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:29.42 | Tem | wow, I think I typo the word "highlight" as "hightlight" way too much |
| 06:29.56 | [MoonWolf] | it happens |
| 06:30.04 | Tem | oh noes |
| 06:30.19 | Tem | I don't think slouken updated the functionality of passing a texture object to SetCheckedTexture |
| 06:30.41 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.56 | [MoonWolf] | what problems would that cause ? |
| 06:31.05 | Miravlix | Still waiting for an AutoBuff, BuffBot updates, those was broken on test. |
| 06:31.20 | Miravlix | When those two get 'fixed' I'm happy. |
| 06:31.43 | Tem | Clearly those weren't in the spirit of the Addon system |
| 06:31.49 | Tem | so don't hold your breath |
| 06:31.54 | Miravlix | Bull |
| 06:32.04 | kremonte | does anybody know how exactly the new anti-spoofing works |
| 06:32.06 | kremonte | it's baffling me |
| 06:32.08 | Miravlix | Nothing wrong with BuffBot and AutoBuff is fine too |
| 06:32.22 | kremonte | i can change a green of stamina to a same level green of the bear |
| 06:32.26 | Miravlix | AutoBuff self buffs |
| 06:32.27 | kremonte | but i cant change it on my chestpiece |
| 06:32.39 | Miravlix | It doesn't movement decurse or some other crap |
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| 06:33.27 | Tem | speak of the devil |
| 06:33.30 | Miravlix | BuffBot is a press a key and it buff your team addon, not excatly evil |
| 06:33.34 | Legorol | hi slouken |
| 06:33.34 | JIMtheInventor | Good evening. |
| 06:33.41 | Legorol | you guys having some problems with this patch, i take it.. |
| 06:33.43 | kremonte | slouken, how does the link fix work? it's baffling me at the moment |
| 06:33.44 | slouken | Heya |
| 06:33.44 | Tem | ah, Miravlix, I didn't know exactly what it did |
| 06:34.05 | kremonte | i can change a green of-stamina to a same level green of-the-bear. these are legs and feet; but i can't change my breastplate to either |
| 06:34.13 | Miravlix | Hey slouken: You don't support utf8 toc files. :p |
| 06:34.22 | Legorol | lol, poor slouken |
| 06:34.31 | Tem | poor slouken indeed |
| 06:34.32 | Wobin_ | Avalanched =) |
| 06:34.33 | Legorol | despite the ban on work-related convos, he got jumped as soon as he joined |
| 06:34.33 | JIMtheInventor | Hey slouken - I have no complaints, but I hate to be left out of anything. |
| 06:34.33 | kremonte | also, normally invalid links disconnect you from SetItemRef'ing them, but i can view the itemreftooltip, while saying it in chat disconnects me ._. |
| 06:35.23 | JIMtheInventor | Most kind. |
| 06:35.29 | Legorol | i think we scared him off |
| 06:35.32 | Tem | probably |
| 06:35.34 | malreth | slouken! what did you have for dinner! |
| 06:35.42 | Miravlix | hey, I personally think it was a bit far fetched you expected wow lua to support utf8 Leg |
| 06:35.49 | Miravlix | So it's more a joke to me |
| 06:35.55 | Legorol | Miravlix, it *does* support it |
| 06:35.58 | Legorol | the only issue is the markers |
| 06:36.15 | Legorol | the rest of the file is in UTF-8 |
| 06:36.20 | kremonte | ugh i can't help but try to re-break links |
| 06:36.24 | kremonte | i guess i'll do it the hard way D: |
| 06:36.36 | kremonte | i can still do foreign links and enchants though..! |
| 06:36.58 | slouken | I had lasagna! :) |
| 06:37.18 | kremonte | mmm i suppose i shouldn't ask then ._. |
| 06:37.30 | kremonte | i'll take that as a definite. |
| 06:37.46 | Legorol | kremonte: i beleive support for foreign links is necessary because e.g. you can use german client on english server and vice versa |
| 06:37.53 | kremonte | yes, yes |
| 06:37.59 | slouken | (sorry, playing WoW) |
| 06:38.05 | JIMtheInventor | :-) |
| 06:38.06 | kremonte | see what makes me ask is that, i don't really see how it is feasible with all the cross-checking going on as this is working |
| 06:38.11 | Legorol | what class is your favourite, slouken? |
| 06:38.13 | End | slouken...-playing- WoW? |
| 06:38.17 | End | I kid, I kid |
| 06:38.21 | Legorol | yeah... that's the first time i heard him play :D |
| 06:38.22 | kremonte | i can swap links on my warriors greens, except my bp |
| 06:38.24 | JIMtheInventor | Death Takes a Vacation |
| 06:38.28 | kremonte | which can also have added stats... |
| 06:38.35 | slouken | Leg, that's because all the times I'm not hanging out here? I play! :) |
| 06:38.42 | End | slouken has a char on Draka |
| 06:38.48 | Legorol | hmm.. true |
| 06:38.49 | End | a level 1 char :P |
| 06:38.57 | End | me, I have a level 2 char and a level 3 char |
| 06:39.08 | Legorol | slouken, is that before, after or instead of working on WoW :-) |
| 06:39.17 | malreth | but you never mentioned what you had for dinner... or... did you skip dinner? |
| 06:39.21 | malreth | gasp... |
| 06:39.26 | JIMtheInventor | said lasagna |
| 06:39.27 | malreth | dinner is an important meal! |
| 06:39.33 | Legorol | he did say |
| 06:39.36 | malreth | oh... i missed that |
| 06:39.44 | malreth | good |
| 06:39.52 | malreth | i'm glad you're eating well then |
| 06:39.52 | JIMtheInventor | Yes. A fine choice. |
| 06:40.32 | malreth | whew! damage control in full effect tonight |
| 06:40.44 | Legorol | hm, i wonder what class slouken likes to play |
| 06:40.48 | Legorol | i reckon he is a mage |
| 06:41.06 | slouken | Is it me, or is there more vitriol than usual on the forums? |
| 06:41.20 | Legorol | well, the extra maintenance doesn't help ;-) |
| 06:41.26 | [MoonWolf] | slouken, i think your right there. |
| 06:41.32 | malreth | i think someone's spreading misinformation about ctraid and nurfed |
| 06:41.35 | Esamynn | evenign slouken |
| 06:41.43 | Esamynn | s/evenign/evening/ |
| 06:41.46 | Legorol | yah the new Lua protection freaked out a few people |
| 06:41.46 | Miravlix | Your dealing with addicts slouken, when they don't get there fix, they get erratic |
| 06:41.48 | slouken | It's been a while since a patch, so maybe my skin is softer. :) |
| 06:41.52 | kremonte | well now, abyssal cloth pants of the bear! i'm making progress ._. |
| 06:41.53 | [MoonWolf] | aren't the forums all about misinformation anyway. |
| 06:41.53 | malreth | it's like someone's got a vendetta |
| 06:41.54 | End | I can understand the initial confusion about ctraid |
| 06:41.54 | Legorol | think users that see a message: "......... BANNED ........" |
| 06:41.56 | Legorol | they freak out |
| 06:42.05 | Esamynn | it doesn't say BANNEd anymore |
| 06:42.10 | End | but...if they look at the ctmod site, they'll see an update :P |
| 06:42.20 | Legorol | Esamynn: it doesn't? |
| 06:42.27 | [MoonWolf] | that requires them going to the site..... |
| 06:42.28 | Legorol | boy, it's been a while since i triggered one |
| 06:42.33 | Miravlix | End: Thats expecting a bit much of people. |
| 06:42.40 | Esamynn | nah, they changed that on the test server after a couple of days |
| 06:42.53 | Legorol | uh oh, i never read the message again after the first time :D |
| 06:42.55 | Esamynn | i never saw it when it said banned, if it ever did |
| 06:43.02 | End | Miravlix, I was just being hopeful :( |
| 06:43.02 | Legorol | i did pop it up regularly |
| 06:43.09 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 06:43.15 | Legorol | hm, maybe i just remember wrong then |
| 06:43.25 | Esamynn | I'm just glad they changed it so that it only comes up for illegal hooks |
| 06:43.40 | kremonte | hmmm |
| 06:43.45 | Crispix | kay.. not ALL of my ui works. :( |
| 06:43.51 | kremonte | i suppose i get the link fix partially |
| 06:43.52 | Crispix | BUT!! the important parts do |
| 06:43.53 | Ktron| | heh, wowi hosts the wowace forums now? rock |
| 06:44.08 | JIMtheInventor | I'm going to have to figure out what the 'legal' hook is eventually. |
| 06:44.12 | kremonte | item links have a seed if they are of-the-foo, and DC you if it's added and it's not? |
| 06:44.18 | kremonte | in which case... hmm |
| 06:44.24 | End | well, that's interesting |
| 06:44.30 | kremonte | Motivation |
| 06:44.36 | Esamynn | Jim, you aren't allowed you hook the movmement functions anymore Jim |
| 06:44.48 | Esamynn | basically because only signed code is allowed to call those funcionts |
| 06:44.48 | End | occasionally when people on my friend's (or guild list) login, sometimes their name is messed yp |
| 06:44.52 | Esamynn | functions* |
| 06:44.52 | End | s/yp/up/ |
| 06:44.55 | JIMtheInventor | *nod* ... still going to have to find an event related to it |
| 06:45.01 | Wobin_ | omg |
| 06:45.03 | Wobin_ | I logged in |
| 06:45.07 | End | [{G(H{G(] has come online. |
| 06:45.11 | Esamynn | so while you can hook them, when your code trys to call them it chokes |
| 06:45.19 | End | I wonder if an AddOn is causing that or the blizz ui |
| 06:45.26 | JIMtheInventor | My AddOn library tries to find out the target of AOE spells |
| 06:45.39 | JIMtheInventor | which you can't do without the movement functions, apparently. |
| 06:45.51 | End | actually, it just appears to be people on my friend's list |
| 06:45.53 | Legorol | target of AoE?? |
| 06:46.03 | JIMtheInventor | yeah ... like the spot. On the ground. |
| 06:46.04 | Legorol | i thought the point about AoE it doesn't have a target... or rather has many |
| 06:46.04 | slouken | Leg, is it the byte order sequence that it chokes on? |
| 06:46.08 | Esamynn | Jim, basically you can't call anything listed here: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Movement_Functions |
| 06:46.17 | JIMtheInventor | Understood. But I was. ;-) |
| 06:46.28 | Crispix | wow... this is suprising |
| 06:46.31 | Crispix | Titan bar still works :O |
| 06:46.32 | Esamynn | what were you hooking? |
| 06:46.37 | Esamynn | which one? |
| 06:46.42 | Legorol | slouken: no, it doesn't like the leading 3 byte UTF-8 markers: EF BB BF |
| 06:46.43 | End | oh I lied, it is both guild and friend list |
| 06:46.43 | JIMtheInventor | let me get the name |
| 06:46.49 | slouken | What does it do with them? |
| 06:46.52 | Legorol | it applies to .toc files |
| 06:46.59 | Wobin_ | wow. CombatStats and EnhancedFlightMap both use RFS |
| 06:47.00 | Legorol | it seems to interpret them as being part of the line |
| 06:47.05 | slouken | ... and? |
| 06:47.06 | JIMtheInventor | "CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart" |
| 06:47.07 | Legorol | since most .tocs start with ## Interface... |
| 06:47.11 | Legorol | it thinks the addon is out of date |
| 06:48.10 | Legorol | I understand that the .toc file is treated as being in UTF-8 |
| 06:48.34 | Legorol | so that e.g. German text in a ## Notes-deDE: section, if it's in UTF-8, gets correctly interpreted |
| 06:49.02 | Esamynn | Jim: what information were you getting from the hook? |
| 06:49.06 | Legorol | the problem is that most text editors that allow you to save files as UTF-8 will add the markers at the start |
| 06:49.11 | Legorol | e.g. Windows Notepad |
| 06:49.15 | Kemayo | So. Frame:SetScript("event", handler). Is it possible to set the handler to be something that I would normally have to call through self:Handler(), or will I just have to go ahead and create anonymous functions? |
| 06:49.20 | Legorol | you then have to go and strip the markers out manually |
| 06:49.29 | slouken | It shouldn't think the addon is out of date, it parses the lines independently, it _should_ try to load a file called the byte order marker, spit a warning, and continue. |
| 06:49.38 | Esamynn | Kemayo, you can set it to any function |
| 06:49.44 | JIMtheInventor | Basically that it happened. :-) It's sort of being used as an alternative to Spellcast_Start in instant casts. |
| 06:49.44 | slouken | Oh... right, there's no newline after the marker, nevermind |
| 06:50.02 | kremonte | hmm |
| 06:50.02 | Legorol | right |
| 06:50.05 | Tem | make your first line blank? |
| 06:50.06 | kremonte | are links much more hefty now? |
| 06:50.11 | Legorol | Tem: that might work |
| 06:50.14 | malreth | you need to eat more lasagna |
| 06:50.22 | Esamynn | use the OnButtonDown event on the worldframe instead and check IsSpellTargeting |
| 06:50.24 | End | clearly, lasagna is the answer |
| 06:50.25 | Legorol | or i could just add a "## Marker" as the first line |
| 06:50.29 | Legorol | still, not the cleanest solution |
| 06:50.32 | kremonte | there is checking to make sure the foo of the bar id is the same as what it says (cant replace of the bear with of the owl) |
| 06:50.38 | slouken | No, I stuck it on my todo list |
| 06:50.42 | kremonte | there is checking to tmake sure that the item CAN be enchanted with stuuff |
| 06:50.43 | Legorol | slouken: this isn't by any means high priority, so don't sweat over it too much ;-) |
| 06:50.48 | kremonte | damnit |
| 06:50.51 | kremonte | my head is exploding |
| 06:50.55 | Esamynn | kremonte: items links look exactly the same as they did before (in the background) |
| 06:50.56 | kremonte | i KNOW there is a way to get around this! |
| 06:50.57 | Legorol | slouken: thanks very much |
| 06:50.58 | slouken | I'm not. :) |
| 06:51.04 | JIMtheInventor | Thansk, Esamynn. Will do. |
| 06:51.06 | kremonte | Esamynn: i don't mean the item:x:x:x |
| 06:51.11 | kremonte | slouken: stop the teasing! |
| 06:51.13 | Esamynn | oh sorry, nm then |
| 06:51.16 | Kemayo | Esamynn: Yeah, but if I set it to, say, "self:DoWhatever" then it'll throw a syntax error because the : is shorthand for calling it. If I set it to "self.DoWhatever" it'll throw an error because it doesn't know to pass self as an argument. |
| 06:51.19 | kremonte | for example |
| 06:51.28 | kremonte | i can change a Sniper Rifle of Agility into a Sniper Rifle of Sorcery |
| 06:51.36 | Esamynn | use . silly, : is syntactic sugar |
| 06:51.40 | kremonte | but i can't change a Stormrager into a Stormrager of Sorcery |
| 06:51.51 | kremonte | or any other green/blue/etc that isnt foo of the bar |
| 06:51.53 | Esamynn | self.DoWhatever |
| 06:51.58 | kremonte | hm. |
| 06:52.16 | kremonte | i suppose that may be the limit now, huh =/ |
| 06:52.22 | Legorol | kremonte: have you considered that items that are "foo of the bar" form probably have a uniqueid |
| 06:52.26 | Legorol | whereas the others don't |
| 06:52.30 | Legorol | i might be off here.. |
| 06:52.36 | kremonte | Legorol: the uniqid can be stripped easycakes |
| 06:52.41 | Legorol | ah |
| 06:52.41 | kremonte | just make it a 0, it still works |
| 06:52.45 | Esamynn | Kemayo, you can only use : for calling or creating fucntions when referencing them you must use . |
| 06:52.49 | Esamynn | or [] |
| 06:52.52 | kremonte | sniper rifle of sorcery with crusader on it is the limit, eh? |
| 06:53.06 | Kemayo | Esamynn: But, as I said, then it won't call it as "self.DoWhatever(self)", as required. |
| 06:53.22 | Legorol | Kemayo: if you are actually *calling* it, then you can use : |
| 06:53.30 | Legorol | if you are not calling it, then you have to use . |
| 06:53.53 | Esamynn | Kemayo no it won't you'll need a wrapper |
| 06:54.08 | Esamynn | which is what you said isn't it? ;) |
| 06:54.09 | Miravlix | If your referancing it, you use dots, if your calling it, you can use dot or : to get the first variable to be a selfobject |
| 06:54.22 | Legorol | Kemayo: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 06:54.40 | Legorol | you want to do something like: func = self.DoWhatever; and then later call func()? |
| 06:54.54 | Esamynn | he's using SetEvent Legorol |
| 06:55.05 | Legorol | you mean SetScript? |
| 06:55.12 | Esamynn | yah, silly me |
| 06:55.13 | Legorol | then as Esamynn said, you need a wrapper |
| 06:55.31 | kremonte | hmmm |
| 06:55.31 | Esamynn | which is I think what he said in the first place anyways ;) |
| 06:55.33 | kremonte | i must get around this |
| 06:56.00 | Legorol | what's the actual application |
| 06:56.04 | Legorol | this might work for you: |
| 06:56.11 | Esamynn | wrappers are good to use anyways because they allow hooking of a frame's event functions without having to call :SetScript |
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| 06:56.41 | Legorol | local s = self; local f = self.DoWhatever; frame:SetScript("OnXxxx", function() f(s); end) |
| 06:56.46 | kremonte | wow fried my brain huh |
| 06:57.06 | kremonte | reaching my limit makes me sad |
| 06:57.36 | Kemayo | I'm trying to dynamically create a frame and add a function as its onclick handler. |
| 06:57.48 | Legorol | right |
| 06:57.55 | Tem | the hell... |
| 06:57.56 | Esamynn | Legorol: you could actually just do frame:SetScript("OnXxxx", function() self:DoWhatever(); end) provided self was already defined |
| 06:57.58 | Legorol | and you want the function to be passed self when it's called? |
| 06:58.06 | Esamynn | Legorol: I love upvalues :) |
| 06:58.09 | Tem | Where did Gello's in game notepad go? |
| 06:58.10 | Kemayo | Yup. |
| 06:58.26 | Legorol | Esamynn: correct, if self is already defined and is not a global |
| 06:58.29 | malreth | Esamynn: ooh! i do too! |
| 06:58.30 | Legorol | which i guess would be the case |
| 06:58.41 | Legorol | your solution is better than mine |
| 06:58.46 | krka|work | did i miss something fun? |
| 06:59.02 | Legorol | you missed slouken commenting on his dinner and on UTF-8 markers in TOCs |
| 06:59.24 | Legorol | oh and he also failed to discourage kremonte from trying to spoof links |
| 06:59.31 | krka|work | heh |
| 06:59.32 | Esamynn | Legorol: remember self:DoSomething() is exactly the same as self.DoSomething(self) |
| 06:59.36 | Legorol | yup |
| 06:59.41 | JIMtheInventor | Tem --- You mean TinyPad? |
| 06:59.42 | Legorol | yes i understand why it works |
| 06:59.48 | Legorol | i just didn't think of that solution :-) |
| 06:59.49 | Tem | yeah, I found it though |
| 06:59.53 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 06:59.53 | JIMtheInventor | *nod* |
| 07:00.10 | Tem | I didn't realize WoWI's "List interfaces" thing could spill over to another page |
| 07:00.22 | JIMtheInventor | hehehe. Gello's will do that, if anyones. |
| 07:00.32 | Esamynn | haha |
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| 07:01.15 | Esamynn | sigh, i'm working on a work around for the fact i can't pass CreateFrame an XML virtual template, sigh |
| 07:01.27 | krka|work | hmm.. extra long patch day |
| 07:01.32 | Esamynn | yah |
| 07:01.42 | Esamynn | almost 12 hours longer than expected |
| 07:01.46 | krka|work | can someone give me a ping when you can start patching? |
| 07:01.58 | Esamynn | brb, switching comps |
| 07:02.34 | kremonte | huh krka? |
| 07:02.51 | Kolth | krka: Not referring to US are you? |
| 07:02.58 | ckknight | okay, what's the proper way to make a Font/FontString in lua now? |
| 07:03.08 | Crispix | has anyone else got a problem with their backpacks ? |
| 07:03.11 | s|loup | frame:CreateFont() |
| 07:03.14 | ckknight | is it with frame:CreateFontString() or with CreateFont() or what? |
| 07:03.15 | Kolth | Crispix: Like what? |
| 07:03.16 | kremonte | if you need the patch i have one mirrored at dan-rouse.com/wow-1.9.4.5086-to-1.10.0.5195-enus-patch.exe |
| 07:03.19 | kremonte | so... |
| 07:03.20 | kremonte | afk. |
| 07:03.20 | s|loup | and Frame:CreateFontString() |
| 07:03.27 | Crispix | things are bleeding over and stuff... its weird |
| 07:03.29 | ckknight | alright |
| 07:03.36 | ckknight | what's the difference between Font and FontString? |
| 07:03.37 | JIMtheInventor | Crispix - nothing except for some odd problem with "MoneyFrame" |
| 07:03.51 | s|loup | font is the font, and fontstring holds the txt |
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| 07:03.58 | ckknight | alright |
| 07:04.11 | s|loup | so if you want to shoa a text the fontstring must have an font |
| 07:05.06 | s|loup | in some cases like button you can set different fonts for different parts but all use the same fontstring |
| 07:05.14 | ckknight | and what'd be the proper way to inherit from a Font like GameFontNormal, in such a way that if GameFontNormal changes (like with ClearFont), my font will change as well? |
| 07:05.40 | s|loup | hm i think clearfont must do it itself |
| 07:05.54 | s|loup | just use GameFontNormal |
| 07:06.07 | s|loup | ClearFont done it for you as i think |
| 07:06.17 | ckknight | lol, I didn't realize I could |
| 07:06.18 | ckknight | lol |
| 07:06.24 | ckknight | nevermind. |
| 07:06.37 | Crispix | Interesting |
| 07:06.48 | [MoonWolf] | indeed |
| 07:06.52 | Crispix | The 1.10 patch really doesn't change how I feel about my hunter... |
| 07:06.54 | Crispix | he feels the same |
| 07:07.29 | ckknight | okay, now using this newfangled scheme, how do I change the size of a fontstring without changing the other stuff? |
| 07:07.40 | Crispix | [MoonWolf] you might find this funny: http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/wowscreenshots/TheUnknownRealm.jpg |
| 07:07.52 | ckknight | or would that be considered changing the font? |
| 07:07.56 | Kirov | hmm |
| 07:08.01 | s|loup | @ckknight if you create a buton then lookout, the button have no fontstring at the creation so SetText() and GetText() didnt work for a dynamic button ;) |
| 07:08.04 | Kirov | ctraid's boss frame is borked |
| 07:08.04 | [MoonWolf] | brilliant. |
| 07:08.46 | s|loup | hm i think u can use the SetFont function on it |
| 07:09.04 | ckknight | but that sets the filepath as well |
| 07:09.17 | malreth | THAT IS NOT HOW WINDMILLS WORK! |
| 07:09.23 | s|loup | FontString:GetFont to resolve the font the fontstring uses and then FontSTring:SetFont() to set it |
| 07:09.43 | [MoonWolf] | malreth, PROVE IT |
| 07:09.50 | ckknight | and then if the font changes (like with clearfont), would it not then keep the same font filepath and not go to the Clearlooks one? |
| 07:10.02 | kremonte | well slouken, i will crack something within the whole linking scheme! I WILL! |
| 07:10.08 | Crispix | does anyone know if desoliace is supposed to have weather? |
| 07:10.18 | s|loup | just use the returvals from FontString:GetFont() |
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| 07:10.26 | ckknight | I do. |
| 07:10.29 | malreth | bah... forums are down... i was on a roll, too |
| 07:10.47 | JIMtheInventor | not in Desolace |
| 07:10.53 | JIMtheInventor | anyone mind if I post the list? |
| 07:11.03 | malreth | what list? |
| 07:11.08 | JIMtheInventor | weather locations |
| 07:11.12 | Miravlix | of zones that has weather |
| 07:11.17 | malreth | DO IT! Malreth commands you! |
| 07:11.19 | JIMtheInventor | Weather has been introduced in the following areas around Azeroth: |
| 07:11.19 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.19 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.19 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.20 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.20 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.22 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.24 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.26 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.28 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.30 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.32 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.34 | JIMtheInventor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.36 | JIMtheInventor | spammy :-) |
| 07:11.38 | Miravlix | Why not url link to it. though. :) |
| 07:11.43 | malreth | Malreth is pleased! |
| 07:11.50 | JIMtheInventor | There you go. That is why. |
| 07:11.53 | s|loup | @ckknight i think you must test it i didtn know waiting next 7 hours for servers up ;) |
| 07:11.57 | JIMtheInventor | Malreth is pleased. |
| 07:12.47 | Crispix | Apparently the forums are still borked :( |
| 07:13.36 | s|loup | but as i can say: there is no function to change the fontsize only |
| 07:15.02 | Crispix | hrm |
| 07:15.09 | Crispix | I wonder if deleting my WTF folder would fix things |
| 07:15.35 | krka|work | probably not a bad idea to do between patches |
| 07:15.58 | Crispix | everything else seems fine.... |
| 07:16.44 | Tem | slouken, do you mind if I ask you a question I shouldn't right now about buttons and their textures? |
| 07:17.04 | JIMtheInventor | Aw, man ... I now know why two inclusions of one GameTooltip causes errors. |
| 07:17.06 | Crispix | Hrm.. yeah.. servers are still borked |
| 07:17.12 | JIMtheInventor | The second one doesn't have a name. :-p |
| 07:17.15 | [MoonWolf] | who needs servers anyway |
| 07:17.17 | ckknight | I'm online |
| 07:17.21 | Tem | me too |
| 07:17.22 | Crispix | errrrrr .. forums |
| 07:17.23 | slouken | Tem, sure. |
| 07:17.40 | Tem | I'm attempting to create some Action Buttons on the fly |
| 07:17.53 | Tem | and I've run into a snag |
| 07:18.03 | Kirov | creating models? |
| 07:18.09 | Tem | no that's easy |
| 07:18.51 | Tem | I need to say some things about the NormalTexture, HighlightTexture, and CheckedTexture that I can't without creating my own texture and passing to SetXTexture |
| 07:19.03 | Tem | like their blend mode size, placement, ect... |
| 07:19.17 | Tem | which Draw Layer do they belong in? |
| 07:19.57 | Crispix | k here goes nothing... delting my wtf folder then restarting.. then going to bed after I refix everything |
| 07:20.25 | Crispix | ni ni all :) |
| 07:20.33 | s|loup | Texture:GetDrawLayer() |
| 07:20.37 | Tem | (also, SetCheckedTexture appears to have gotten skipped when adding the new pass a texture object instead of a string behavior, but I'll bother you about that on the forums =P) |
| 07:22.05 | Tem | brilliant s|loup. I didn't think of checking already existing textures |
| 07:23.14 | Tem | aha, NormalTexture appears to be in the artwork level |
| 07:23.23 | Tem | I wonder if the other 3 are there too |
| 07:23.32 | s|loup | maybe thee are overlay |
| 07:24.13 | Tem | I suspect Pushed is in artwork |
| 07:24.23 | Tem | but highlight and checked in a higher level |
| 07:24.28 | Tem | like overlay |
| 07:24.48 | krka|work | would you mind passing me the code later tem, i could really use it i tihnk |
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| 07:24.58 | Tem | sure krka |
| 07:25.24 | Tem | it's proving to be a lot harder than I anticipated |
| 07:26.03 | krka|work | thanks |
| 07:27.51 | malreth | okeh... my work tonight is done... can't flame noobs if the forums are down |
| 07:28.12 | malreth | so i'm going to bed. |
| 07:28.20 | s|loup | gn8 |
| 07:28.26 | malreth | later |
| 07:28.33 | Esamynn | ok, this is interesting, I'm getting strange strings in the initial values of the dropdown menus for sorting in my Tailoring Window |
| 07:28.57 | Esamynn | right now they both say "Twin Emperors" |
| 07:30.11 | Crispix | yey |
| 07:30.18 | Crispix | deleting the wtf file helped :D |
| 07:30.19 | End | ok, I see a problem. flying from like UC to BB |
| 07:30.23 | End | on accident |
| 07:30.31 | End | a misclick or something |
| 07:30.33 | End | that'd be bad |
| 07:30.46 | Esamynn | log out, log back in |
| 07:30.53 | Esamynn | you'll land at the next node |
| 07:33.46 | End | oh good point |
| 07:34.00 | Esamynn | of course, a way of cancelling it in game would be nice |
| 07:34.08 | End | I still think there needs to be an eject button though |
| 07:35.13 | Kirov | Anyone else seen the "... gains 40 mana from Unkown Entity's Greater Blessing of Wisdom" |
| 07:36.27 | krka|work | If you're making several jumps to get to your destination, you will now be able to choose that flight path from your initial Flight Master. The costs will remain the same, |
| 07:36.30 | krka|work | same as what? |
| 07:38.00 | Esamynn | as taking each flight individually |
| 07:38.14 | krka|work | yeah, but which flights? |
| 07:38.34 | Esamynn | the ones it decides to take, the interface tells you |
| 07:38.50 | krka|work | before confirming it? and can you customize it? |
| 07:39.04 | krka|work | (UC to hammerfall is a good example) |
| 07:39.32 | Tem | haha, there's a HIGHLIGHT draw level >< |
| 07:39.43 | Esamynn | yes before, no you can |
| 07:39.46 | Esamynn | can't choose |
| 07:39.50 | L|Elviso | anyone getting d/c'd when checking their mail? |
| 07:40.25 | s|loup | @tem do you lokk at UI.xml? |
| 07:40.34 | s|loup | look |
| 07:40.43 | s|loup | its helping a lot |
| 07:40.50 | Tem | did you mean xsd? |
| 07:41.01 | s|loup | yaeh |
| 07:41.07 | JIMtheInventor | Hasn't happened to me yet, Elviso |
| 07:41.11 | Tem | yeah, that's where I got that info from |
| 07:41.31 | s|loup | a ok thaught you have returned it from code ^^ |
| 07:41.53 | L|Elviso | JIMtheInventor: thanks, Jim. I disabled both my mail addons and it still happens, so I'm lost. |
| 07:48.49 | JIMtheInventor | Patterns. Patterns will lead to a clue, will lead to a solution. :-) |
| 07:49.00 | JIMtheInventor | What about the seemingly unrelated AddOns? |
| 07:49.06 | JIMtheInventor | turned them off, attempted mail? |
| 07:49.41 | JIMtheInventor | Let's figure this out together. I've finished my AddOn work, so my attention is yours. |
| 07:50.25 | krka|work | why do we need Object:IsObjectType? does it handle inheritance? |
| 07:51.00 | s|loup | no |
| 07:51.04 | Legorol | yes |
| 07:51.10 | s|loup | oO |
| 07:51.15 | JIMtheInventor | heh |
| 07:51.21 | L|Elviso | JIMtheInventor: I'm too lazy to disable ALL my addons as I have quite a few....right now I am doing a file text search of some key mail func()'s to see if any addons are using mail func()'s that I don't know about |
| 07:51.23 | Legorol | you can ask: Object:IsObjectType("Frame") and it will return true for Frame, Button, CheckBox etc. |
| 07:51.32 | s|loup | isnt it just for getting typ of the object like 'frame' 'button' = |
| 07:51.33 | krka|work | then i get it :) |
| 07:51.44 | L|Elviso | if this doesn't work, perhaps I'll log on an alt and disable 1/4 at a time... |
| 07:51.44 | Legorol | so you can check which methods are safe to call on it |
| 07:52.18 | s|loup | oh sry i thaught he ment inherits attribute ^^ |
| 07:52.51 | JIMtheInventor | You're going about it the right way, I figure. L|Elviso, perhaps it's the new item-spoofing countermeasures? (I guess that could be obvious?) |
| 07:53.34 | L|Elviso | you might be on to something, but I don't possibly see how an inbox item would fail an item-spoof check |
| 07:53.55 | JIMtheInventor | I'll look at the Blizzard Mail .xml's / lua's while you look at the addons. |
| 07:54.21 | L|Elviso | ah-ha, found the culprit. Sanity inventory. |
| 07:54.32 | JIMtheInventor | Righteous. That was fast. |
| 07:55.07 | Tem | hmm that's an odd bug |
| 07:55.22 | Tem | after I push my button, it's pushed texture won't go away |
| 07:56.10 | JIMtheInventor | oh .... Tem ... You made an ActionButton, but it doesn't inherit from ActionButtonTemplate, correct? |
| 07:56.16 | Tem | yeah |
| 07:56.27 | Tem | it's not an action button yet |
| 07:56.35 | Tem | it just sort of resembles one |
| 07:56.42 | JIMtheInventor | Making it a heavily modified CheckButton? *nod* ... I seem to recall that the un-highlighting is done in there |
| 07:56.53 | JIMtheInventor | so what you see is ... expected :-) |
| 07:56.58 | Tem | odd |
| 07:57.10 | L|Elviso | I must say, this has been one of the easiest patches as far as fubar'g my UI goes |
| 07:57.11 | krka|work | done OnLeave? |
| 07:57.27 | s|loup | make a second button and click on it so maybe the highlight will got to the other button |
| 07:57.35 | Esamynn | oh was going to ask if you had Sanity |
| 07:57.42 | Esamynn | it goes into an infinite loop |
| 07:57.43 | JIMtheInventor | hehehe .... highlight by osmosis |
| 07:57.48 | Esamynn | but you said crash |
| 07:58.19 | L|Elviso | I'm sorry, wrong terminology... |
| 07:58.34 | L|Elviso | "locked up" or "quit responding" would've been more appropriate :) |
| 07:58.43 | L|Elviso | Do you know of a fix, Esamynn? |
| 07:59.15 | JIMtheInventor | hehehe ... this "Final Destination" change is cool |
| 08:00.03 | JIMtheInventor | Must fly to all the locations. |
| 08:00.14 | krka|work | no it's not cool :/ it's badly done |
| 08:00.15 | Tem | man weird |
| 08:00.36 | Tem | calling SetButtonState("NORMAL") doesn't clear the pushed texture either |
| 08:00.53 | krka|work | apparently it doesn't choose the fastest route |
| 08:00.55 | JIMtheInventor | that may be due to the order of function calls |
| 08:01.13 | JIMtheInventor | that is to say, Tem, you're setting it normal before natural code sets it highlight |
| 08:01.23 | JIMtheInventor | though ... I don't really see how that would be possible. |
| 08:01.37 | Tem | I'm calling it outside any handlers |
| 08:01.43 | s|loup | dane it by OnLeave? |
| 08:02.18 | s|loup | highlight is only working when button gets focus? |
| 08:02.28 | Tem | highlight doesn't matter |
| 08:02.33 | s|loup | or when mouse have entered? |
| 08:02.42 | Tem | I'm creating a check button |
| 08:02.50 | Tem | then calling from the chat box |
| 08:03.01 | Tem | button:SetButtonState("Pushed") |
| 08:03.08 | Tem | and I see the pushed texture appear |
| 08:03.23 | Tem | then I call button:SetButtonState("NORMAL") |
| 08:03.28 | Tem | and the pushed texture stays |
| 08:04.17 | s|loup | just use SetChecked(0) or SetChecked(1) ? |
| 08:04.37 | Tem | That shouldn't affect the pushed texture |
| 08:04.51 | Tem | those should affect the CheckedTexture |
| 08:05.08 | ckknight | okay, anyone know how to get the width of a fontstring? I mean the width the text _actually_ takes up, including wrapping |
| 08:05.35 | JIMtheInventor | Actually, yes. Sorta. |
| 08:05.40 | Tem | ckknight: GetStringWidth will get the width without wrapping |
| 08:05.55 | ckknight | I want it with wrapping |
| 08:05.57 | Tem | ckknight: but if you call GetWidth, it will return whatever value you passed to SetWidth |
| 08:06.04 | JIMtheInventor | one moment while I get the code for you, ckknight |
| 08:06.13 | Tem | UNLESS, you pass 0 to SetWidth |
| 08:06.25 | s|loup | tem can you resolve the status of the button after SetButtonState("NORMAL" ?) |
| 08:06.31 | ckknight | let's say GetWidth() returns 150, GetStringWidth() returns 180 |
| 08:06.41 | Tem | s|loup: what do you mean? |
| 08:06.48 | s|loup | if status is normal than it looks like a bug |
| 08:06.54 | ckknight | I want to find the visible width |
| 08:07.08 | ckknight | of the longest line |
| 08:07.16 | Tem | s|loup: yeah it reports "NORMAL" after that call |
| 08:08.08 | Tem | ckknight: Legorol and I figured out what makes FontStrings tick a while back |
| 08:08.17 | Tem | I'm pretty sure Legorol wrote up a wiki page about it |
| 08:08.20 | s|loup | check if the normaltexture is the same as highlight texture after these calls |
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| 08:08.42 | JIMtheInventor | I probably can't offer something better than a Wiki page |
| 08:08.42 | s|loup | maybe he overwrites the textures :/ |
| 08:08.55 | ckknight | a wiki page would work |
| 08:08.59 | JIMtheInventor | what I did was put the fontstring within a container of known width |
| 08:09.10 | JIMtheInventor | then I get the string's length |
| 08:09.28 | JIMtheInventor | divide that by the limiting width, and multiply by 1.6 for good measure :-) |
| 08:09.29 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:09.54 | JIMtheInventor | it's ... um, kind of a rough estimate |
| 08:10.08 | Tem | you don't need all that |
| 08:10.23 | Tem | doesn't look like Leg made a wiki page so I'll give you the short version |
| 08:10.31 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:10.40 | JIMtheInventor | Please do. I'd like to incorporate it too. |
| 08:10.55 | Tem | A fontstring has 2 "modes" |
| 08:11.06 | Tem | well, 4 |
| 08:11.16 | Tem | but I'm only going to talk about 2 |
| 08:11.29 | ckknight | k |
| 08:11.34 | Tem | "hard width" and "soft width" |
| 08:11.46 | Tem | (the other 2 are "hard height" and "soft height") |
| 08:12.07 | Tem | When you set a fontstring's width to 0 it goes into soft mode |
| 08:12.25 | Tem | when a FS is in soft mode, it expands to fit whatever text you give it |
| 08:12.39 | Tem | and GetWidth() will return that width |
| 08:13.15 | Tem | when it's in Hard Width mode, it will attempt to fit as much as it can on the first line and then wrap the remaining text |
| 08:13.24 | JIMtheInventor | you know, I bet I was thinking of something else entirely once again |
| 08:13.26 | Tem | (this assumes that the fontstring is in soft height mode) |
| 08:14.22 | Tem | calling GetWidth will return the value you passed to SetWidth (or something stupidly close ie, 40 and 39.999999999) |
| 08:15.04 | Crispix | I'm going to say it....... I'm going to say it.... I'm a hunter.. and I LOVE 1.10 |
| 08:15.32 | Crispix | it hasn't affected me at all :D |
| 08:15.38 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:15.53 | Tem | so, ckknight, does that kind of tell you what you need to know? |
| 08:15.56 | ckknight | alright, I understand Tem |
| 08:16.07 | ckknight | but it doesn't solve my problem in the slightest |
| 08:16.17 | Tem | d'oh |
| 08:16.20 | Tem | what's the problem? |
| 08:16.36 | ckknight | I have a fontstring that can be at most a certain width |
| 08:16.57 | ckknight | I want to get the visible width from it |
| 08:17.06 | ckknight | say if the max width is 150, the visible might be 130 |
| 08:17.37 | Tem | as long as it's one line you can do FS:SetWidth(0) FS:GetWidht() |
| 08:17.54 | Tem | ignore that |
| 08:18.01 | Tem | if it's one line you can call GetStringWidth |
| 08:18.07 | ckknight | it's not |
| 08:18.13 | Tem | then you're screwed |
| 08:18.18 | JIMtheInventor | here, how about this ... GetRight() - GetLeft()? :-) |
| 08:18.20 | ckknight | goddammit. |
| 08:18.26 | Tem | why do you need to know? |
| 08:18.33 | ckknight | isn't that GetWidth(), JIMtheInventor? |
| 08:18.40 | Tem | perhaps there is a different way to go about what your trying to do |
| 08:18.47 | ckknight | Tem, it's for speicifc tooltip resizing in BossPanel |
| 08:18.52 | ckknight | specific* |
| 08:18.55 | JIMtheInventor | No, 'cause GetWidth is a value you set that may be ignored by anchors |
| 08:19.24 | Tem | actually, Anchors override SetWidth |
| 08:19.58 | JIMtheInventor | Tem, do we agree that GetWidth ~= GetRight - GetLeft? :-) |
| 08:20.17 | Tem | Well, I'm not the person to ask that |
| 08:20.23 | Tem | Legorol is |
| 08:20.39 | JIMtheInventor | hehe ... while you're waiting for Legorol, give it a try, 'knight |
| 08:20.52 | Tem | but it's my understanding that GetWidth's definition is GetRight-GetLeft |
| 08:21.00 | Iriel | Well, it depends 8-) |
| 08:21.13 | Iriel | *I* did write THAT up 8-) |
| 08:21.21 | Tem | but I never did completely understand who those things work |
| 08:21.24 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 08:21.35 | Tem | Iriel: feed this one through your brain |
| 08:21.52 | Tem | I have a checkbutton that once pushed, the pushedtexture won't go away |
| 08:22.19 | Tem | I show it, call SetButtonState("PUSHED") and the pushed texture appears |
| 08:22.21 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.40 | JIMtheInventor | tested and proven ? Well, nuts |
| 08:22.53 | Tem | but then when I call SetButtonState("NORMAL") the pushed texture stays |
| 08:23.09 | Crispix | Everyone wanna see how much 1.10 affected me? |
| 08:23.13 | Tem | ckknight: I think your best bet is to go about it a different way |
| 08:23.19 | Crispix | http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/wowscreenshots/CrispyUI110.jpg <-- click.. lmao |
| 08:23.38 | Iriel | Tem: Was it dynamically created, or XML created? |
| 08:23.43 | Crispix | I need to move my xp bar over a smidge.. next to the tracking thing.. but .. yeah.... |
| 08:23.46 | Tem | Dynamic |
| 08:24.10 | Iriel | Did you set ALL of the textures after you created it? |
| 08:24.27 | Iriel | Like, SetCheckedTexture, specifically |
| 08:24.31 | Tem | yeah |
| 08:24.48 | Tem | SetCheckedTexture won't let me send it a texture object :( |
| 08:25.13 | Tem | so I'm going to have to emulate that |
| 08:25.31 | Iriel | Tem: 8-( That's unfortunate, add that to my 1.11 thread when the forum returns perhaps? |
| 08:25.37 | Crispix | o_O.. can someone explain why my main toon isn't coming up on the forums? |
| 08:25.40 | Tem | I'm planning on it |
| 08:25.59 | Tem | Crispix: it was like that for me until nearly a year after release |
| 08:26.07 | Tem | it's the reason I'm still posting with a level 1 priest |
| 08:26.15 | Crispix | hrmmmmm |
| 08:26.27 | Crispix | maybe I should create a toon for the same purpose |
| 08:26.38 | JIMtheInventor | only one solution for it ... delete your main toon and reform. ^_^ |
| 08:26.45 | Crispix | NEVAR!! |
| 08:27.07 | Tem | Iriel: any thoughts on the stubborn pushed texture? |
| 08:27.13 | Crispix | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?862049 <-- my main toon JIMtheInventor |
| 08:27.41 | Iriel | Tem: Does it go away if you toggle SetChecked on and off? |
| 08:27.46 | Tem | no |
| 08:28.35 | Tem | if you'd like to see it, I can pastebin the creation code |
| 08:29.14 | Iriel | sure |
| 08:29.46 | ckknight | okay, well I found a solution through a clever hack |
| 08:29.54 | JIMtheInventor | He's looking healthy, Crispix |
| 08:30.12 | ckknight | I keep shrinking the width until the height changes |
| 08:30.38 | krka|work | good thinking |
| 08:30.41 | ckknight | thus I'll have the same number of lines (same height), and as small a width as possible (within 5 pixels) |
| 08:30.48 | krka|work | binary searching too? |
| 08:30.56 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/628342 |
| 08:31.05 | JIMtheInventor | I like it. How do you do that? Through OnUpdates? |
| 08:31.15 | JIMtheInventor | or just a simple loop? |
| 08:31.43 | ckknight | well it figure out the width/height in the :Show() method, so it does the calculations there |
| 08:31.48 | Tem | Iriel: oh I missed the last line in my copy |
| 08:32.01 | Tem | Iriel: I just bind it to a global for ease of use |
| 08:33.22 | Tem | oops, I was missing a line |
| 08:33.35 | JIMtheInventor | Coooool. That works for me too, ckknight |
| 08:33.41 | JIMtheInventor | how handy! |
| 08:33.48 | ckknight | yep |
| 08:33.55 | Iriel | Tem: You appear to be missing a SetNormalTexture call |
| 08:34.56 | Tem | d'oh |
| 08:35.53 | Tem | yeah that fixes it |
| 08:35.55 | Tem | Thanks Iriel |
| 08:35.57 | Crispix | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19101#post19101 |
| 08:36.22 | Tem | now I need to figure out why that border texture is so hideous |
| 08:36.28 | s|loup | tem where do you found the setTexture function? |
| 08:36.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [MoonWolf] (n=MoonWolf@a80-127-128-193.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 08:36.56 | s|loup | i cant find it on wowwiki |
| 08:36.57 | JIMtheInventor | Crispix - yes ... I just learned of Mazz today. Beautiful stuff. |
| 08:37.36 | Tem | s|loup: which? |
| 08:37.41 | L|Elviso | Crispix: did you use a bar mod for your micro bar? |
| 08:37.44 | s|loup | line 7 |
| 08:37.49 | Crispix | Micro bar? |
| 08:37.57 | Crispix | L|Elviso That'd be Gbars :) |
| 08:38.13 | Iriel | s|loup http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API is up to date for 1.10 |
| 08:38.17 | JIMtheInventor | Looks like it's in-line with TitanPanel |
| 08:38.25 | Crispix | yup |
| 08:38.30 | Crispix | I just moved it up |
| 08:38.34 | ckknight | yea, that's Titan [MainMenu] |
| 08:38.34 | s|loup | ah ok |
| 08:38.35 | L|Elviso | oh I see |
| 08:38.36 | JIMtheInventor | *nod* |
| 08:38.36 | Crispix | gbars =fully configurable bars |
| 08:38.47 | Crispix | the menu?? OH. .yeah.. that is Titan Mainmen |
| 08:38.51 | Crispix | *menu |
| 08:39.05 | s|loup | but you creating the texture until line 11 but dont use it? |
| 08:39.06 | ckknight | I still like BossPanel - Micro Menu better... |
| 08:39.20 | ckknight | (reall only cause I wrote it) |
| 08:39.20 | Crispix | ckknight can you show me boss panel please? |
| 08:39.24 | ckknight | really* |
| 08:39.27 | ckknight | sure |
| 08:39.29 | Crispix | frak.. I'm going to never sleep tonight :( |
| 08:40.18 | Tem | aha! it's supposed to be a different color that's why |
| 08:41.25 | L|Elviso | I want to switch to BossPanel eventually, I just want to wait a bit for refinement & more plugins support |
| 08:41.48 | Crispix | ...*Waits for ckknight to show him bosspanel* |
| 08:41.54 | ckknight | keep yer kilt on |
| 08:41.58 | krka|work | ... |
| 08:42.03 | krka|work | google is your friend Crispix |
| 08:42.06 | ckknight | L|elviso, what would convince you? |
| 08:42.08 | Crispix | ckknight.. Its almost 4 am...... |
| 08:42.10 | Crispix | I've GOtta sleep |
| 08:42.12 | L|Elviso | I've seen it, and I'm really impressed with it so far |
| 08:42.28 | ckknight | alright |
| 08:42.39 | ckknight | if you want it to be stable, wait till 1.0 |
| 08:42.48 | ckknight | I don't think I'm far off from it |
| 08:43.05 | L|Elviso | ok. I have quite a few plugins, I'm not your avg user |
| 08:43.11 | JIMtheInventor | I just realized that Crispix's pet is named "Milk". Nice touch. |
| 08:43.26 | Crispix | :) Thanks :D |
| 08:43.31 | L|Elviso | and I've grown quite fond of them. I haven't checked which have been ported over yet, but if it's close to most of them.... |
| 08:43.40 | Crispix | A lot of people don't catch it jim.. |
| 08:43.48 | JIMtheInventor | I'm fond of hunter-pet jokes too. My hunter Kervin has a tiger named "Hobbles" |
| 08:43.52 | L|Elviso | I'll switch soon, and either wait or request the remaining plugins, or try to port them myself |
| 08:44.13 | ckknight | http://corporation.hopto.org:8080/screen.jpg |
| 08:44.18 | L|Elviso | <-- didn't catch it, what's the joke? :\ |
| 08:44.26 | Crispix | JIMtheInventor -- my next pet will probably be a red creature, and I may call it 'Raspberries'.. after my favorite fruit... |
| 08:44.26 | ckknight | I don't get the joke either |
| 08:44.43 | Kirov | Calvin and Hobbes |
| 08:44.49 | JIMtheInventor | Crispix and Milk |
| 08:44.52 | ckknight | meh... |
| 08:45.02 | JIMtheInventor | Crispix = breakfast cereal |
| 08:45.21 | ckknight | Carmita and Beauregard for my hunter and pet, ;-) |
| 08:45.22 | L|Elviso | *drum crash* |
| 08:45.36 | L|Elviso | I named 2 of my pets, a pig and an ape, after guildies |
| 08:45.44 | Crispix | [03:45] JIMtheInventor: Crispix = damn good breakfast cereal |
| 08:45.46 | JIMtheInventor | Good guild relations? |
| 08:45.46 | Crispix | *fixed |
| 08:45.52 | L|Elviso | the other I named after my only former MMO, named him Umbris |
| 08:46.06 | JIMtheInventor | I also have a Roc named Island. :-) |
| 08:46.08 | L|Elviso | JIMtheInventor: makes for good times, and they love it when I go to a BG with them... |
| 08:46.18 | JIMtheInventor | oh yes ... I can imagine |
| 08:46.22 | JIMtheInventor | good thinking there. |
| 08:46.23 | ckknight | people keep requesting plugins to me as a feature requests... |
| 08:46.28 | Crispix | ok.. this dorf HAS to goto bed.... nite nite everyone :) |
| 08:46.35 | L|Elviso | 'nite |
| 08:46.39 | ckknight | Crispix, did you see the screenie/ |
| 08:46.48 | Crispix | When you people do sleep (if you ever do)... sleep well :) |
| 08:46.54 | JIMtheInventor | thanks - shall |
| 08:47.02 | Crispix | ckknight Yeah..... I like Titan a bit more.. |
| 08:47.07 | ckknight | :-P |
| 08:47.13 | ckknight | why? |
| 08:47.25 | Crispix | the fonts.... *laughing* |
| 08:47.30 | Crispix | maybe more support too |
| 08:47.38 | Crispix | woah. the site just took a dump |
| 08:47.46 | JIMtheInventor | ? .... My connection was refused while attempting to contact WoWInterface? |
| 08:47.46 | JIMtheInventor | I'm hurt, mon ami. |
| 08:47.48 | ckknight | I'm using ClearFont |
| 08:48.26 | ckknight | support? wasn't Titan like abandoned then split in multiple directions? |
| 08:48.36 | Crispix | nope |
| 08:48.44 | Crispix | If you know where to look.. you can find it anywhere. |
| 08:48.59 | Crispix | Jim -- sites back up |
| 08:49.00 | L|Elviso | oh yeah....I really like the option in Titan to have a bar on top & bottom |
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| 08:49.35 | ckknight | L|elviso, you can have an infinite number of bars either on top, detached, or on the bottom with BossPanel |
| 08:49.35 | Tem | BP allows up to 10 panels I think |
| 08:49.39 | Crispix | *poof* |
| 08:49.44 | ComicSansMS | greetings, everyone |
| 08:49.46 | ckknight | no Tem, infinite with 1.10 |
| 08:49.51 | Miravlix | Iriel: You alive? |
| 08:49.51 | Tem | nice touch |
| 08:49.57 | Tem | Iriel went to bed |
| 08:50.27 | L|Elviso | ckknight: O RLY? :) |
| 08:50.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:50.30 | Miravlix | Seems Blizzard changed how action buttons work too |
| 08:50.35 | L|Elviso | http://limitlessguild.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58&d=1141128614 |
| 08:50.42 | L|Elviso | somewhat old but you get an idea |
| 08:50.52 | Miravlix | There is no longer a button.showGrid value |
| 08:51.00 | ckknight | idea? |
| 08:51.10 | ckknight | You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. |
| 08:51.27 | L|Elviso | DOH |
| 08:51.36 | L|Elviso | sec |
| 08:51.39 | Miravlix | L|Elviso: wow.pastebin.com |
| 08:51.48 | L|Elviso | well its unimportant really |
| 08:51.50 | krka|work | infinite number? |
| 08:52.00 | L|Elviso | just titan panel screenshot #1424435r3 |
| 08:52.01 | krka|work | so it creates bars dynamically? |
| 08:52.06 | ckknight | until your memory runs out |
| 08:52.09 | ckknight | yes, krka|work |
| 08:52.14 | krka|work | niec |
| 08:52.27 | ckknight | and plugins, and tooltip lines |
| 08:52.45 | L|Elviso | would wow-i have the most complete listing of plugins for BP? |
| 08:52.51 | ckknight | yes |
| 08:53.02 | ckknight | I doubt many other places have BP plugins |
| 08:53.05 | L|Elviso | and on a scale of 1-10, how would you rate stability? |
| 08:53.12 | ckknight | I don't post anywhere else, too much of a hassle |
| 08:53.52 | ckknight | I'd give it a 6-7 for now, but you must be wary that there may be bugs (though they are getting squashed every day) |
| 08:54.15 | ckknight | once I release 1.0, it'll be a lot more "stable" |
| 08:54.23 | ckknight | it'll just be bug fixes until 1.1 is released |
| 08:54.28 | ckknight | which I plan to be for quite a while |
| 08:54.44 | ckknight | at least there will be no API changes |
| 08:54.49 | ckknight | thus no breakage |
| 08:54.59 | L|Elviso | what's significant about 1.1? |
| 08:55.14 | ckknight | 1.x signifies an API change |
| 08:55.32 | ckknight | 1.x.y is merely bugfixes or small changes that don't affect the API |
| 08:55.36 | L|Elviso | rgr |
| 08:55.48 | L|Elviso | I found a typo on your wow-i page, if you care |
| 08:55.53 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:56.02 | Tem | Are you ever going to provide a way to change the background graphic? |
| 08:56.07 | L|Elviso | "Now that 0.9 is released, you can except little to no API changes." |
| 08:56.15 | L|Elviso | should be expect instead of except |
| 08:56.21 | Tem | that's my only real complaint. It's ugly as sin |
| 08:56.22 | L|Elviso | I would think |
| 08:56.24 | ckknight | damn |
| 08:56.44 | ckknight | if someone provides me with a better idea for a background graphic, I'd be happy to use it |
| 08:57.15 | Tem | oh I'm the wrong person to go to for that |
| 08:57.21 | Tem | my graphical skills are nil |
| 08:57.56 | ckknight | L|elviso, unlike Titan, BossPanel has drag-and-drop placement of plugins |
| 08:58.06 | L|Elviso | dude, you just read my mind.... |
| 08:58.18 | ckknight | I have a lot of shiny features |
| 08:58.19 | L|Elviso | what made you say that? |
| 08:58.47 | L|Elviso | I was just considering how to phrase it, b/c that was an aspect of TP that really frustrated me |
| 08:58.48 | [MoonWolf] | ckknight, i actually like the titanpanel graphic a lot. |
| 08:58.49 | ckknight | I want you to adopt BossPanel then start writing plugins ;-) |
| 08:59.13 | L|Elviso | to the point where I set out to make a plugin re-order mod, but it never came to fruition |
| 08:59.16 | ckknight | [MoonWolf], I don't want to steal theirs and it doesn't mesh well with the multiple panels dealy |
| 08:59.22 | Miravlix | BP is too weird |
| 08:59.27 | ckknight | how so? |
| 08:59.38 | [MoonWolf] | to bad, well there is always the plugin to change it. |
| 08:59.47 | Miravlix | local prev, button = table |
| 09:00.01 | ckknight | ? |
| 09:00.10 | Tem | I kinda wish the drag-drop worked differently but meh. I'm still glad to have it |
| 09:00.22 | Miravlix | Thats BP code. |
| 09:00.23 | ckknight | what would you rather have? |
| 09:00.26 | ckknight | odd |
| 09:00.29 | Miravlix | You meta assignment |
| 09:00.30 | ckknight | shouldn't be like that |
| 09:00.57 | Tem | I kinda wish it worked like firefox's tab drag-drop worked |
| 09:00.57 | Miravlix | In a totally unepected way giving your code unexplained side effects thats impossible to expect |
| 09:01.23 | Tem | actually, switch "work" with "look/feel" |
| 09:02.04 | ckknight | that code doesn't exist in my code, Miravlix |
| 09:02.36 | ckknight | the `local prev, button = table` bit |
| 09:02.41 | ckknight | where did you find that? |
| 09:04.28 | Miravlix | http://www.kemayo.com/wow/BossPanel_Quests.lua |
| 09:04.30 | ckknight | Tem, I honestly don't see an issue with how it is now, I don't think it'd be any better if I used firefox's way of doing it |
| 09:04.37 | ckknight | Miravlix, that's not my code |
| 09:04.45 | L|Elviso | why doesn't BP have it's own section on wow-i, that'd make things easier for lazy ppl like me |
| 09:04.49 | Tem | ckknight: it's not really an issue |
| 09:05.22 | ckknight | file a bug report with the author if you have an issue with it |
| 09:05.26 | Tem | ckknight: to me it just feels "sturdier" in firefox's style |
| 09:05.36 | Miravlix | local prev, button = BossPanel_Quest1 |
| 09:05.47 | Tem | there is nothing wrong with that |
| 09:05.57 | ckknight | yea, that makes sense |
| 09:06.01 | Tem | it assigns prev to BossPanel_Quest1 |
| 09:06.04 | Tem | and button to nil |
| 09:06.16 | Tem | er, the other way round |
| 09:06.24 | ckknight | no, you're right, Tem |
| 09:06.42 | ckknight | yea, that works and looks as intended |
| 09:06.45 | Tem | BossPanel_Quest1 to prev and nil to button |
| 09:06.58 | Tem | ckknight: my "to"'s were backwards |
| 09:07.06 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 09:07.07 | JIMtheInventor | ots, if you will |
| 09:07.36 | ckknight | so what's the problem, Miravlix? |
| 09:07.37 | Tem | >< |
| 09:08.35 | krka|work | i am curious to know that too :) |
| 09:08.35 | JIMtheInventor | Tem - do you know if there's a way to change a mod's category on WoW-I? (E.G.: Beta-version interfaces to Bar mods?) |
| 09:08.37 | Miravlix | That I thought it metated assignment |
| 09:08.50 | Miravlix | to create a function like return from the table |
| 09:08.52 | ckknight | I just ask Cairenn |
| 09:08.57 | Tem | JIMtheInventor: talk to Cair or one of the other admins |
| 09:09.10 | ckknight | no, Miravlix |
| 09:09.13 | Tem | so you'll need to wait for when cair is awake again |
| 09:09.16 | ckknight | button was assigned in the next line |
| 09:09.21 | JIMtheInventor | *nod* ... very well. I always seem to ask poor Cairenn all the obvious questions though |
| 09:09.35 | Tem | hehe |
| 09:09.37 | JIMtheInventor | like "do we have a guild", and "where do I submit site bug reports" :-p |
| 09:09.54 | Tem | actually, you should send her a PM on the site |
| 09:10.08 | JIMtheInventor | *nod*. |
| 09:10.29 | Tem | guessing by your current awakeness, and her current asleepness, she will probably see that before you see her |
| 09:11.03 | JIMtheInventor | the wisdom of that statement is uncontested :-) |
| 09:11.07 | Tem | please excuse my word crafting |
| 09:11.23 | JIMtheInventor | only if you excuse my average syllable count |
| 09:11.39 | [MoonWolf] | syllable's are for loosers. |
| 09:11.46 | Tem | syllables are overrated |
| 09:11.55 | L|Elviso | ckknight: if I switch, and become a BP plugin henchmen, you (and everyone else in this channel) are going to be subjected to many n00b Ace questions :P |
| 09:11.58 | Tem | turn-signals are also, overrated |
| 09:12.07 | [MoonWolf] | indeed |
| 09:12.12 | ckknight | L|elviso, that's cool |
| 09:12.27 | ckknight | we were all noobs once |
| 09:12.28 | L|Elviso | At least Ace has their own forums too |
| 09:12.38 | krka|work | not me! |
| 09:12.45 | Tem | L|Elviso: don't worry. It's my understanding that the use of actual Ace api is minimal when writing BP plugins |
| 09:12.45 | ckknight | yes, not krka |
| 09:12.54 | krka|work | good, glad we got that straightened out |
| 09:12.58 | ckknight | pretty much, Tem |
| 09:13.26 | ckknight | you'll mostly be writing BossPanel-specific code, with some extra nice ace features to use |
| 09:13.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@151.56.208.27) |
| 09:13.48 | ckknight | I do have a detailed API, it's in the BossPanel folder called Api.html |
| 09:13.49 | L|Elviso | I'm 99% self-taught with everything I do pretty much....I usually just deconstruct other ppl's code....so as long as there's funcitonal examples for me to check out it shouldn't be TOO bad |
| 09:14.05 | JIMtheInventor | :-) Tried and true method. |
| 09:14.13 | ckknight | I'm the same way |
| 09:14.16 | ckknight | just look at some of my basic plugins |
| 09:14.17 | Tem | unfortunately it exposes a bit of a weakness in the ace system that I'm looking forward to either rewriting myself or seeing redone |
| 09:14.21 | ckknight | like Clock |
| 09:14.30 | Kirkburn | How's 1.10 for people so far? |
| 09:14.36 | L|Elviso | Tem: huh? |
| 09:14.37 | ckknight | what weakness? |
| 09:14.41 | ckknight | Kirkburn, well |
| 09:14.43 | Tem | the profiles |
| 09:14.46 | ckknight | yes |
| 09:14.51 | ckknight | I hate the goddamn profile system of ace |
| 09:14.59 | L|Elviso | <-- doesn't use Ace profiles |
| 09:15.01 | JIMtheInventor | Kirk - there are about 5 major tripwires for most AddOns |
| 09:15.04 | Tem | Kirkburn: CF screws up a lot of font sizes |
| 09:15.09 | L|Elviso | I just enable/disable addons w/LoadIT |
| 09:15.10 | Kirkburn | So I hear |
| 09:15.22 | Kirkburn | V strange, only had one report of it so far though |
| 09:15.33 | Kirkburn | Tem, are they all larger? |
| 09:15.37 | Tem | not all |
| 09:15.41 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 09:15.45 | Tem | my AH fonts are larger |
| 09:15.47 | Kirkburn | Should be easy enough to fix |
| 09:15.54 | L|Elviso | Kirkburn, are you the CF author? |
| 09:15.55 | Tem | the BP Tooltip fonts are considerably smaller |
| 09:15.58 | Kirkburn | I am indeed |
| 09:16.13 | L|Elviso | ah, just got it today (since I had to dump my framexml hack) |
| 09:16.14 | Tem | like, painfully smaller |
| 09:16.18 | Kirkburn | BP Tooltip? |
| 09:16.23 | L|Elviso | very impressed, except....heh |
| 09:16.24 | Tem | BossPanel |
| 09:16.34 | JIMtheInventor | CF is which mod? |
| 09:16.37 | Kirkburn | I'll download that and see why |
| 09:16.38 | Kirkburn | ClearFont |
| 09:16.40 | Tem | the frame xml hack worked flawlessly |
| 09:16.41 | L|Elviso | my AFTT font is pretty ugly |
| 09:16.43 | JIMtheInventor | Thank you. |
| 09:17.17 | Kirkburn | Tem, you mean in 1.9 it worked flawlessly? |
| 09:17.22 | Tem | aye |
| 09:17.26 | Kirkburn | But the new version not so much :P |
| 09:17.41 | Kirkburn | Looks like i'll be having a fun day |
| 09:17.44 | ckknight | Tem, what version are you using? cause I fixed some issues with the whole fonts system in 1.9.3.1 |
| 09:17.58 | Tem | I downloaded it like yesterday |
| 09:18.10 | Tem | is there a place in game that spits out the version? |
| 09:18.15 | ckknight | yea, I recommend getting the new version, see how it fancies you |
| 09:18.17 | JIMtheInventor | ahhh, I see .... A font replacement package. Very nice choices. |
| 09:18.20 | ckknight | yea, type /bp |
| 09:18.34 | Kirkburn | Thanks :) |
| 09:18.39 | Tem | I'm running 0.9.1 |
| 09:18.48 | ckknight | I meant 0.9.3.1 |
| 09:18.59 | Kirkburn | Silly Tem not up-to-date |
| 09:19.00 | Tem | what's the 4th numer? |
| 09:19.02 | Tem | number* |
| 09:19.11 | Tem | well when he updates so damned much... |
| 09:19.14 | L|Elviso | minor revision? |
| 09:19.15 | ckknight | major.minor.revision.trivial |
| 09:19.19 | L|Elviso | oh |
| 09:19.37 | ckknight | currently, trivial is for bugfixes without API changes |
| 09:19.44 | ckknight | when 1.0 releases, revision will do that |
| 09:19.45 | Tem | and revision is? |
| 09:19.54 | Kirkburn | something I should be doing |
| 09:19.55 | ckknight | revision currently is for API changes and whatnot |
| 09:20.06 | Tem | then minor is? |
| 09:20.26 | ckknight | currently, destructive API changes |
| 09:20.39 | Tem | ah, so there is a difference |
| 09:20.39 | ckknight | when I hit 1.0, it'll all basically shift to the left |
| 09:20.51 | Kirkburn | Make a little graph :P |
| 09:21.16 | Tem | how much stuff do I need to update ckknight ? |
| 09:21.17 | Tem | just bp |
| 09:21.22 | ckknight | yea |
| 09:21.34 | ckknight | you may want the new starter pack if you're feeling up to it |
| 09:21.36 | Kirkburn | So, er, should I be worrying about BossPanel & CF, or not? :) |
| 09:21.42 | ckknight | no, Kirkburn |
| 09:21.45 | ckknight | it was my bad. |
| 09:21.46 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 09:21.57 | ckknight | I didn't understand the new font system |
| 09:22.01 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 09:22.07 | ckknight | but now I do |
| 09:22.10 | ckknight | and we're all updated |
| 09:22.12 | Kirkburn | It's a bit strange |
| 09:22.16 | JIMtheInventor | I'm all done for updates. You folk have yourself a good rest eventually. (Don't skip it, eh?) |
| 09:22.20 | ckknight | yes it is |
| 09:22.30 | JIMtheInventor | Pleasure meeting you and all that. |
| 09:22.40 | Kirkburn | Btw, does ClearFont do the nameplates above people's heads properly - that's another thing I've got reported |
| 09:22.47 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JIMtheInventor (n=JIMdInve@d205-250-79-128.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 09:22.48 | Kirkburn | Ciao! |
| 09:23.13 | Kirkburn | (EU servers up yet?) |
| 09:23.18 | Tem | afaict Kirkburn, it is doing it fine. |
| 09:23.24 | ckknight | okay, after 1.0.0 releases:, 1.0.1 will be a bug fix or small change that does not affect plugin API. 1.1.0 will be an additive API change. 2.0.0 will be a destructive API change. |
| 09:23.31 | Kirkburn | Do you use "Step Two", Tem? |
| 09:23.42 | Tem | no |
| 09:23.42 | ckknight | that's how it works, Tem |
| 09:24.07 | Kirkburn | Sounds like a good system |
| 09:24.15 | ckknight | yep |
| 09:24.45 | ckknight | it works, and there are compatibility checks for old plugins and such |
| 09:24.56 | Tem | hmm |
| 09:25.01 | Tem | bp doesn't load now |
| 09:25.02 | ckknight | e.g. pre 0.4.23 plugins use the old Tooltip API |
| 09:25.09 | Tem | one sec restarting wow |
| 09:25.43 | Tem | ok, it's back |
| 09:25.51 | Tem | but the font sizes are still tiny |
| 09:26.06 | Tem | oh and my bad, it's not the tooltips |
| 09:26.12 | Tem | it's the drop down menus |
| 09:26.16 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 09:26.18 | ckknight | that is fucked |
| 09:26.28 | Tem | actually, it's ALL dropdown menues |
| 09:26.39 | Kirkburn | All!? |
| 09:26.40 | ckknight | right |
| 09:26.40 | Tem | s/menue/menu/ |
| 09:26.43 | ckknight | all |
| 09:26.46 | Tem | all |
| 09:26.48 | ckknight | they're way too small |
| 09:26.52 | Kirkburn | You mean like the entire game? |
| 09:26.54 | ckknight | they make baby Jesus cry |
| 09:26.55 | ckknight | yes |
| 09:27.06 | Kirkburn | Sounds like something was changed |
| 09:27.11 | Kirkburn | Goddamn |
| 09:27.33 | Kirkburn | What version is the live patch? |
| 09:27.41 | Tem | the same as the last test version |
| 09:27.47 | Tem | ie no undocumented changes |
| 09:27.52 | Kirkburn | hmm |
| 09:27.54 | Tem | scratch that |
| 09:28.04 | Tem | ie no changes we haven't already seen in the last test update |
| 09:28.29 | Kirkburn | The font I use is slightly smaller than the standard, which is normally why, when I don't override something, it turns out smaller |
| 09:28.48 | Kirkburn | But only slightly |
| 09:28.53 | Kolth | We talking about 1.10 CLearFont font sizes? |
| 09:29.07 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 09:29.21 | L|Elviso | Kirkburn: http://kenman.net/cf/ |
| 09:29.31 | Kolth | I've got bigger fonts than in 1.9. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. |
| 09:29.37 | L|Elviso | the tooltips in those 2 pics, is that intended? |
| 09:30.03 | Kirkburn | Hmm, those are a bit small |
| 09:30.11 | Kirkburn | What UI scale is that? |
| 09:30.16 | Kirkburn | (than ks btw) |
| 09:30.52 | Kirkburn | Meanwhile, from ui.worldofwar.net "the new 11000 version's font is a good .5 to 1 size larger than the previous version." |
| 09:31.07 | Kirkburn | So for YOU it's smaller, but for that lone person it's larger :s |
| 09:31.16 | Kirkburn | What in hell is going on!? |
| 09:31.19 | L|Elviso | is there a way to explicitly determine the UI scale? |
| 09:31.20 | [MoonWolf] | he has a scaling problem most likely |
| 09:31.29 | L|Elviso | it's like 20% from the left on the slider.. |
| 09:31.39 | Kirkburn | Ah, smaller than my settings |
| 09:31.43 | Kirkburn | I have mine set to 100% |
| 09:31.47 | [MoonWolf] | you can get an absolute value out of the config.wtf |
| 09:31.51 | Kolth | Kirkburn: One thing, my DropDownMenu for the ChatFrame's has too small of fonts. Everything else is normal or larger. |
| 09:32.02 | ckknight | GetCVar("UiScale") |
| 09:32.09 | Kirkburn | Okay, sounds like DropDownMenus will need looking at |
| 09:32.12 | Tem | aye, that's what we were just talking about Kolth |
| 09:32.18 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 09:32.21 | Kolth | Ah, thanks. |
| 09:32.21 | L|Elviso | if you notice in the 1st screenshot, the original (right-side) tooltip is kind of weak, while the left TT looks much better |
| 09:32.48 | Kirkburn | L|Elviso, that's a good point, looks like the left is bold |
| 09:32.55 | L|Elviso | uiScale "0.70999997854233" |
| 09:33.05 | Kirkburn | EquipCompare? |
| 09:33.10 | L|Elviso | yes |
| 09:33.50 | Kirkburn | (looking at the code) |
| 09:34.21 | L|Elviso | and my dropdowns appear to be tiny as well |
| 09:34.32 | Kirkburn | loving it |
| 09:34.53 | Kirkburn | Are we talking unreadably tiny, or just small? |
| 09:35.05 | Kolth | 1/2 size? |
| 09:35.09 | Kolth | screenshot coming |
| 09:35.42 | Kirkburn | Okay, EquipCompare is working as intended (from my code anyway) ... the smaller one is bold |
| 09:36.44 | L|Elviso | just very small, but still ledgible |
| 09:36.50 | Kirkburn | I may have realised the reason |
| 09:37.18 | Kirkburn | When writing the LUA, I assumed the 'inherits' would work retroactively, which is probably wrong |
| 09:37.51 | Kirkburn | So I've only defined font sizes for main fonts, not all the others that inherit the previous ones |
| 09:38.20 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf3.jpg |
| 09:38.21 | Kirkburn | And since my addon is loaded AFTERwards, it has no idea to override the fonts.xml for those |
| 09:38.35 | Kirkburn | Lookin' good |
| 09:38.40 | Kirkburn | Okay, I think I know what to do |
| 09:38.58 | Miravlix | Name your addon ("##&ClearFont |
| 09:38.59 | L|Elviso | I gotcha |
| 09:39.07 | L|Elviso | lol Mira |
| 09:39.16 | Miravlix | Then it gets loaded first |
| 09:39.36 | Kirkburn | But then the individual addon overrides won't occur |
| 09:40.03 | Kirkburn | Okay, I'll try and show what I think the problem is ... |
| 09:40.19 | Kirkburn | For example, I have GameFontNormalLarge:SetFont(CLEAR_FONT, 17); |
| 09:40.37 | Kirkburn | But then for GameFontHighlightLarge, I haven't specified a size, just a color |
| 09:40.59 | Kirkburn | The inherits comes from the original fonts.xml, so it will take the size from there, not what I changed it to |
| 09:41.15 | Kirkburn | Thus it will take a smaller size, making half the game wrong :D |
| 09:41.33 | L|Elviso | makes sense |
| 09:41.50 | Kirkburn | Time to get to work |
| 09:41.56 | Miravlix | Well at the basic level, bitching and moaning at slouken seems the best option |
| 09:42.08 | L|Elviso | hehe |
| 09:43.32 | Kirkburn | Do you think I should rename the folder zClearFont so it loads last? I worry about confusing people |
| 09:43.53 | Kirkburn | I have to make it load after the addons I override, ya see |
| 09:44.14 | Miravlix | Well, using !ClearFont will make you load early and gives you the option of reacting to ADDON_LOADED,arg1 = name |
| 09:44.46 | Kirkburn | Yeah that's true |
| 09:45.40 | L|Elviso | or make it AClearFont ;) |
| 09:45.55 | Wobin_ | AaClearaFont =P |
| 09:46.08 | Miravlix | !ClearFont is pretty clear, aprdon the pun. |
| 09:46.11 | Kirkburn | Do Macs follow that? |
| 09:46.12 | L|Elviso | AClearFont makes sense though :b |
| 09:46.29 | Miravlix | Yeah Cosmos use it with !improvederrorframe |
| 09:46.37 | Kirkburn | Tis true |
| 09:46.49 | L|Elviso | I have 2 addons that use ! |
| 09:46.52 | Miravlix | Macs aren't so strange that they sort differently than the rest of the world. :) |
| 09:47.12 | ckknight | !ClearFont would be good, I think |
| 09:47.14 | Kirkburn | Mira, what code would I use for that? |
| 09:47.20 | ckknight | and Warmup does !!Warmup |
| 09:47.33 | Miravlix | RegisterEvent"ADDON_LOADED")? |
| 09:47.57 | Miravlix | Then OnEvent if event = "ADDON_LOADED" and arg1 == "addonname" then |
| 09:48.24 | Kirkburn | Where does the addonname come from, toc? |
| 09:48.31 | Miravlix | SubDir |
| 09:48.44 | Miravlix | So thats also <name>.toc etc. |
| 09:50.52 | Kirkburn | Like this? http://wow.pastebin.com/628420 |
| 09:50.54 | Miravlix | You can also do VARIABLES_LOADED and IsAddonLoaded("Name") there is quite a few ways to check |
| 09:51.26 | Miravlix | I forgot if ADDON_LOADED supports load on demand |
| 09:51.56 | Tem | it does |
| 09:52.02 | Tem | it's the only event that does |
| 09:52.33 | Kirkburn | I'll come back to that |
| 09:53.03 | Miravlix | Then it's pretty perfect |
| 09:53.27 | Miravlix | I don't use SetScript normaly, just <framename>.OnEvent = function() |
| 09:53.29 | Kirkburn | I already have ClearFont reloading for LoD addons |
| 09:53.54 | Miravlix | You wont need that anymore, since ADDON_LOADED will trigger. :) |
| 09:54.36 | Kirkburn | But won't I then get ClearFont reloading every single time an addon loads? |
| 09:54.46 | Kirkburn | Including during startup? |
| 09:55.08 | Miravlix | It will execute your event handler on every single addon that loads |
| 09:55.26 | Miravlix | And you can then filter on arg1 as to what addons you react to |
| 09:55.44 | ckknight | shouldn't you only reinitialize if Fonts.xml has been reloaded? |
| 09:56.02 | Miravlix | He can't detect fonts.xml reloads |
| 09:56.04 | Kirkburn | That's what I have atm ckknight |
| 09:56.08 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 09:56.11 | Kirkburn | I can ;) |
| 09:56.24 | ckknight | yea, he just has to check if GameFontNormal changed |
| 09:56.25 | Miravlix | Oh you set a var you check? |
| 09:56.33 | Kirkburn | local refRAID_CLASS_COLORS = nil; |
| 09:56.44 | Kirkburn | if (refRAID_CLASS_COLORS ~= RAID_CLASS_COLORS) then |
| 09:56.44 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.50 | ckknight | semicolons? |
| 09:57.00 | ckknight | a pox on thee... |
| 09:57.19 | Miravlix | It does work as a visual aid for human readers |
| 09:57.29 | Miravlix | But lua doesn't care. |
| 09:57.31 | Kirkburn | Are ; not needed? |
| 09:57.37 | ckknight | nope |
| 09:57.40 | Miravlix | It's optional mostly |
| 09:57.46 | Kirkburn | Okies |
| 09:57.51 | ckknight | you can also do if refRAID_CLASS_COLORS ~= RAID_CLASS_COLORS then |
| 09:57.55 | ckknight | no need for parentheses |
| 09:58.04 | Kirkburn | Iriel's coding :) |
| 09:58.07 | ckknight | the if and the then provide strong enough coding |
| 09:58.24 | Maldivia | hmm, changing video settings now reloads the UI ? |
| 09:58.34 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:58.35 | Kirkburn | Didn't it always? |
| 09:58.43 | L|Elviso | mine never did |
| 09:58.43 | ckknight | no, it did a gfx reload |
| 09:58.44 | Miravlix | Dunno EU is still down for another 4+ hours. :p |
| 09:58.47 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 09:59.28 | Kirkburn | I think I'll stick with zClearFont for now, since it's a lot simpler than more coding |
| 09:59.31 | Maldivia | that's really annoying |
| 09:59.35 | L|Elviso | changing the multisampling re-renders it, but doesn't reloadui |
| 10:00.40 | L|Elviso | on a brief aside, this channel is so refreshing compared to my server's channel... ugh |
| 10:00.40 | ckknight | refreshing howso? |
| 10:00.47 | Miravlix | It scrolls faster so he has to hit refresh in his java client to keep up |
| 10:01.11 | L|Elviso | my server channel is like a jr high cafeteria |
| 10:01.44 | Miravlix | My server is a junor high in game with sex under the tables. |
| 10:01.51 | L|Elviso | just a bunch of kids bragging, throwing insults, etc |
| 10:02.07 | Miravlix | Hey we are still bragging and stuff |
| 10:02.12 | Miravlix | We just use longer words |
| 10:03.24 | L|Elviso | lol |
| 10:03.38 | Miravlix | Maybe we should move that to collega, Junor high is a bit to young. |
| 10:03.44 | L|Elviso | at least here i have the chance to learn *something* |
| 10:04.11 | Maldivia | ahh, think I found what caused it :) |
| 10:04.39 | Miravlix | You keept hitting your reload button? |
| 10:04.49 | krka|work | ; is basically only needed to seperate statements for stuff like this: a = b; (f)(x); |
| 10:04.51 | krka|work | i think |
| 10:05.27 | Miravlix | You need a seperator there to avoid b becomming a function. |
| 10:05.30 | Maldivia | No, I accedentially hit the defualt button (that button really needs a confirm), and it changed my resolution to 800x600 from a widescreen, meaning UIParent would change size, that caused the ui reload |
| 10:05.36 | Miravlix | But it doesn't have to be ; |
| 10:05.50 | Miravlix | Also when using table classes there is a couple of places your need seperators |
| 10:06.17 | Miravlix | myTable = { this = "test", that = "hat" } |
| 10:06.18 | L|Elviso | Miravlix: lol, no....I have mirc |
| 10:06.47 | Miravlix | Newline isn't enough |
| 10:07.31 | Miravlix | That reminds me why can't I do myTable = { local test = "funky" } |
| 10:07.33 | Maldivia | Miravlix: that's comma not semicolon... comma isn't optional |
| 10:07.51 | Miravlix | myTable = { this = "test"; that = "hat" } |
| 10:07.58 | Miravlix | That version works just as well |
| 10:08.05 | Miravlix | it just needs a seperator |
| 10:08.07 | ckknight | myTable = { this = "text", that = "hat" } |
| 10:08.16 | ckknight | I prefer that |
| 10:08.37 | Miravlix | the comma make more sense in my book too for a myTable definition |
| 10:09.00 | Maldivia | fieldsep ::= `,´ | `;´ |
| 10:09.21 | Maldivia | from the lua manual, hence you have to have a , or a ; |
| 10:09.30 | Miravlix | tired() ? sleep() : shop() |
| 10:09.46 | ckknight | no ternaries here |
| 10:10.00 | Miravlix | I miss my ternaries. |
| 10:10.07 | ckknight | tired() and sleep() or shop() |
| 10:10.14 | ckknight | just have to make sure sleep() returns a non-nil |
| 10:10.23 | Miravlix | Hmm? |
| 10:10.32 | Miravlix | if tired() then sleep else shop end |
| 10:10.44 | ckknight | that's typically a better way to do it |
| 10:11.11 | Miravlix | Naah as a C programmer ? : is nice |
| 10:11.17 | Miravlix | I also miss ++ -- |
| 10:11.22 | ckknight | no! |
| 10:11.29 | ckknight | ++ and -- are devils, I tell you |
| 10:11.41 | L|Elviso | I love ? : |
| 10:11.42 | Maldivia | ++, --, +=, -=, /=, *= etc ;) |
| 10:11.44 | ckknight | += 1 and -= 1 would be nice |
| 10:11.52 | Miravlix | if --test then dance end |
| 10:11.59 | ckknight | *shudder* |
| 10:12.04 | ckknight | that is horrible from a usability standpoint |
| 10:12.22 | Miravlix | for x=0, x<10, x++ |
| 10:12.23 | Kolth | Can you hook function slike MyButton:Show() ? |
| 10:12.32 | ckknight | each statement should stand on its own, not have special inline stuff going on |
| 10:12.36 | ckknight | yes, Kolth |
| 10:12.42 | Miravlix | Now when we then go to C++ and overload for that can get fun |
| 10:13.02 | Kirkburn | It should be okay to remove the sct 3.5.4 override now, given it doesn't work in 1.10? |
| 10:13.31 | Kirkburn | (sct 4 is different, and not overridable) |
| 10:13.46 | Miravlix | Yeah sct pre 4.xx is retired except for emulated servers |
| 10:13.58 | Maldivia | Miravlix: overloads - go play with metatables :) |
| 10:14.00 | Kirkburn | Well, bugger them |
| 10:14.36 | Miravlix | Mal: Thats the problem it only seem to be something you play with in lua, not something that has a use. |
| 10:15.06 | Maldivia | Miravlix: talk to Iriel then :) |
| 10:15.19 | Maldivia | also, the entire UI is build on metatables |
| 10:15.37 | Miravlix | Yeah, but I said overloading |
| 10:15.59 | Miravlix | there is different kind of metatable features |
| 10:16.19 | Miravlix | function overloading is a smarter version of lua hooks |
| 10:16.39 | Maldivia | you can't compare the two |
| 10:16.48 | Miravlix | operator overloading is a little used metatable feature. |
| 10:17.46 | Maldivia | most likely because it's a feature you rarely need |
| 10:17.59 | Miravlix | Everyone needs operator overloading! |
| 10:18.19 | ckknight | no you don't, Miravlix |
| 10:18.27 | Miravlix | newTable = myTable + funkyTable |
| 10:18.40 | ckknight | yea, but not everyone needs it |
| 10:18.52 | Miravlix | Yes they do, they just don't know it! |
| 10:18.59 | Maldivia | I've never had the need to combine two tables |
| 10:19.09 | Miravlix | It's not tables. :> |
| 10:19.12 | Maldivia | I know :9 |
| 10:19.27 | Miravlix | It's classes with metatables that change the + and = behavior |
| 10:19.33 | Maldivia | the only thing I would use operator overloading for, is for comparisons |
| 10:19.44 | ckknight | tables are classes and instances |
| 10:19.47 | Maldivia | in the WoW sandbox, that is |
| 10:19.48 | ckknight | and whatever you want them to be |
| 10:19.51 | ckknight | essentially |
| 10:20.08 | Miravlix | a table without functions isn't much of a class |
| 10:20.08 | [MoonWolf] | tables are the most dynamic data structure ever. |
| 10:20.54 | Maldivia | I really miss the flexability of tables when coding other languages :) |
| 10:21.01 | Maldivia | and multiple return values :| |
| 10:21.07 | Miravlix | And the second you try to do real classes you end up with all kind of funky codeing thats hard to read and maintain |
| 10:21.36 | Kirkburn | Oh great, I just realised, I have to rewrite all my addon overrides too |
| 10:22.58 | Maldivia | Miravlix: then you're doing something wrong :) |
| 10:23.07 | Miravlix | So I just end up doing a function table with a few variables, instead of starting to throw objectivs around |
| 10:23.34 | Miravlix | Nope, lua is just funky |
| 10:23.37 | Maldivia | It's very easy to make a newInstance() function, to duplicate the table |
| 10:23.56 | Maldivia | so you get the feel of instances of classes |
| 10:25.13 | Maldivia | and even easier if you set a small restriction on yourself, to always have an init function, that initializes all fields |
| 10:27.20 | Miravlix | It would be cool if every scripter could write fully OO code, but most can barely write a normal for loop, so in the interest of readability for a larger population of coders, it just isn't worth creating beautiful meta tables and throwing objects around |
| 10:28.04 | Wobin_ | classes in lua aren't that hard to figure out |
| 10:28.14 | Wobin_ | well.. properly documented ones... |
| 10:28.47 | Wobin_ | if the coder puts in default values (nil) just for readability, it makes it much easier to understand the concept |
| 10:29.31 | Miravlix | I found my holy grail a few days ago |
| 10:30.29 | Miravlix | I create a public table <addonname> and all communication into the addon goes through it. |
| 10:30.57 | Miravlix | then it has a bunch of local <function> -- Does this and that lines |
| 10:31.03 | Miravlix | Then the actual functions |
| 10:31.28 | Miravlix | and if I need to give outside access I do end <myaddon>.<function = function |
| 10:32.08 | Miravlix | That creates an easy to maintain file structure, with almost self documenting propperties |
| 10:39.29 | Kirkburn | ClearFont people, can you test this version! http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~gp3509/ClearFont/ClearFont%20v11000-2B.zip |
| 10:39.37 | Kirkburn | I changed the folder to zClearFont |
| 10:39.41 | Kirkburn | So delete the old one |
| 10:39.48 | Kolth | I will in 10 seconds. |
| 10:40.10 | Kirkburn | um |
| 10:40.17 | Kirkburn | Actually don't use it! |
| 10:40.18 | ckknight | I'm adding a method to BossPanel to override the default background |
| 10:40.36 | ckknight | :-) |
| 10:41.20 | L|Elviso | Kirkburn, d/l'g now |
| 10:41.28 | Kirkburn | Wait! |
| 10:41.35 | L|Elviso | o.0 |
| 10:41.53 | Kirkburn | You can download it now :) |
| 10:42.00 | L|Elviso | ok |
| 10:42.07 | Kirkburn | Sorry, I suddenly realise I hadn't changed a file |
| 10:42.18 | Kirkburn | I changed the directory, but not the file links |
| 10:42.54 | Kirkburn | Merely a case of adding a 'z' in one place in the lua |
| 10:43.00 | Kolth | No worries :) I'm on for some hours. |
| 10:43.13 | Kirkburn | Should work now tho |
| 10:43.21 | Kolth | Redownload? |
| 10:43.24 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 10:43.53 | Kolth | Random Q: How do I retain abilities from pets I tame? |
| 10:44.11 | Miravlix | You learn them by having them use them |
| 10:44.15 | Kirkburn | I've fiddled with some on the font sizes, so if they're a *bit* off, I can sort them later. They shouldn't be tiny any more tho |
| 10:44.22 | Miravlix | You get a UI chat message about having learned Claw 1 |
| 10:44.27 | Kirkburn | Indeed, something I learnt a week ago |
| 10:44.38 | Kolth | Mira: After the pet uses it for the first time or when you tame it? |
| 10:44.47 | Kirkburn | Use a new pet to kill a couple of mobs |
| 10:44.48 | Miravlix | When it uses it for a while |
| 10:44.58 | Kolth | Ah, thanks, Miravlix |
| 10:44.58 | Miravlix | Well if it's stealth |
| 10:45.01 | Kirkburn | After say 10 kills, you should learn a talent |
| 10:45.05 | Miravlix | You have to keep hitting it until you learn it |
| 10:45.21 | Kirkburn | What stealth unstealth stealth unstealth |
| 10:45.24 | Kolth | Good deal. Wanted to pick up Bite and Claw |
| 10:45.43 | Kolth | Is it my understanding the spiffy Hunter pets are in Horde-ish areas? |
| 10:45.43 | Miravlix | Bite and claw is easy just enable them and have you pet fight stuff |
| 10:45.54 | Kirkburn | Made a huge difference to my cat's dps, learning bite and claw('Dog') |
| 10:46.02 | Miravlix | What type of pet? |
| 10:46.25 | Kolth | I've got one of the fast attack Cats from Darkshore |
| 10:46.38 | Miravlix | You can get The Rake from Mulgore |
| 10:46.40 | Wobin_ | actually the fastest waqy to learn a new petskill is to un-auto the spell, then stand up really close to the pet when it's in combat and manually click |
| 10:46.45 | Miravlix | it's the fastest cat you will get until 37 |
| 10:46.48 | Kolth | Mira: Yeah, I've got a Horde Hunter |
| 10:46.51 | L|Elviso | it's not showing up in my addons list.. |
| 10:46.56 | Wobin_ | Hungry Mountain Lion |
| 10:47.01 | Kolth | Just haven't seen much of cool pets in Alliance areas. |
| 10:47.01 | Wobin_ | (er starving) |
| 10:47.06 | Kolth | Rake/Takk/Humar |
| 10:47.12 | Wobin_ | is the fastest alliance cat before BT |
| 10:47.16 | Kolth | Kirkburn: DropDownMenu font sizes are large now. |
| 10:47.25 | Kolth | And MonkeyQuest is small. |
| 10:47.38 | Kirkburn | I just made it that specifically bigger ... |
| 10:47.44 | Miravlix | We have a wolf that does shadow damage in Darkshire |
| 10:47.56 | L|Elviso | I think lupos was nerfed, Mira |
| 10:47.58 | Kolth | Miravlix: Still does Shadow after all this time? No Blizzard nerf? |
| 10:47.59 | Kirkburn | L|Elviso, was that directed at me? |
| 10:48.03 | L|Elviso | yes |
| 10:48.16 | Kirkburn | But it works for Kolth ... |
| 10:48.17 | Miravlix | It works like melee |
| 10:48.20 | Kirkburn | *confused* |
| 10:48.39 | Kolth | Elviso: It's still called ClearFont |
| 10:48.45 | L|Elviso | looking under "ClearFont" and "zClearfont" both |
| 10:48.56 | Kolth | It's in my AddOns list as ClearFont |
| 10:49.00 | L|Elviso | def not there |
| 10:49.02 | Kolth | and my fonts changed |
| 10:49.08 | Kolth | Then put it in the right spot! :) |
| 10:49.15 | Kirkburn | Uh, btw, both of you, did u delete the old version first? |
| 10:49.21 | L|Elviso | yes |
| 10:49.28 | Kolth | Kirkburn: Yes |
| 10:49.37 | Kirkburn | errrr |
| 10:50.08 | Kirkburn | L|Elviso, I can only suggest dling again |
| 10:50.32 | Kolth | Kirkburn: Want a screenshot of what I look like now? |
| 10:50.37 | Kirkburn | Please |
| 10:50.50 | Kolth | gimme a few secs -- fresh install of Windows |
| 10:52.01 | Kirkburn | Also, can you check to see what happens when you inspect someone |
| 10:52.19 | Kolth | k |
| 10:52.28 | Kolth | If I can find someone :P |
| 10:52.32 | Kirkburn | Do either of you use SuperInspect? |
| 10:52.35 | Kolth | I do |
| 10:52.44 | Kirkburn | Then especially you then :) |
| 10:52.58 | Kolth | will screenshot all stuff + inspect + superinspect |
| 10:52.59 | Kolth | <3min |
| 10:54.36 | Maldivia | go go go... you've used half your time already... :) |
| 10:54.42 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf4.jpg |
| 10:54.57 | L|Elviso | Kirkburn: http://kenman.net/cf/cf4.jpg |
| 10:55.09 | L|Elviso | oops, didnt realize I had scrolled up... |
| 10:55.19 | L|Elviso | thought my text didn't get sent or something, lol |
| 10:55.22 | Maldivia | L|Elviso: you have it in a folder called zClearFont, but the toc is called ClearFont |
| 10:55.33 | Kirkburn | Is that important? |
| 10:55.47 | Maldivia | folder name and name of the toc file has to be the same |
| 10:55.55 | Miravlix | Blizzard reads in the addon folders |
| 10:55.56 | Kirkburn | lol, can u change the toc then :) |
| 10:56.09 | Miravlix | then reads <addonfoldername>/<addonfoldername>.toc |
| 10:56.12 | L|Elviso | ah forgot about that |
| 10:56.25 | Kirkburn | How did it work for Kolth ... |
| 10:56.35 | Kirkburn | wooo0000ooooo |
| 10:56.35 | L|Elviso | he just reloadui? |
| 10:56.49 | Kirkburn | But it was effectively a new addon |
| 10:56.55 | Kolth | Kirkburn: few seconds still :) loading |
| 10:57.04 | L|Elviso | k, there it is |
| 10:57.22 | Kirkburn | Sorted that on my end now too :) |
| 10:57.26 | L|Elviso | Kirkburn: I use Superinspect |
| 10:57.33 | Kirkburn | Then you're both useful :P |
| 10:58.04 | Miravlix | Not much stuff in 1.10 |
| 10:58.10 | Miravlix | It's just a 24 MB patch |
| 10:59.18 | Miravlix | But it's an annoying one, it's change 17K files |
| 10:59.25 | Miravlix | and Blizzards patcher is soooooooooooooooooooooooo slow |
| 11:02.10 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf5.jpg |
| 11:02.11 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf6.jpg |
| 11:02.20 | L|Elviso | AH dropdown was normal it looked like |
| 11:02.37 | L|Elviso | EquipCompare was as before (one bold/one non-bold and weak) |
| 11:02.55 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 11:03.37 | Kirkburn | It's a side effect of one of the changes I made |
| 11:03.43 | Kolth | Kirkburn: Elviso have you squared away on screenshots? |
| 11:03.47 | Kirkburn | I made smaller fonts bold to keep them readable |
| 11:04.15 | Kirkburn | Importantly, SuperInspect is not breaking CF, and dropdowns are correct? |
| 11:04.21 | L|Elviso | yes |
| 11:04.43 | Kirkburn | Woo ... if u still wanna screenshot anything Kolth, go ahead |
| 11:05.04 | Kirkburn | Individual font sizes I'll check when I get on later |
| 11:05.04 | L|Elviso | the tooltips though...that's all I care about :p |
| 11:05.53 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 11:06.10 | Kirkburn | Do you need them larger? |
| 11:06.18 | L|Elviso | the secondary and tertiary tt's from EquipCompare are awesome |
| 11:06.37 | Kirkburn | awesome how? |
| 11:06.43 | L|Elviso | but it looks like pretty much all of the primary tt's are kind of weak looking |
| 11:06.50 | Kirkburn | ah, understood |
| 11:06.58 | L|Elviso | well, just real vibrant, ledgible, good contrast |
| 11:07.33 | Kirkburn | See, problem is that if I make the normal fonts bold, people will complain :P |
| 11:08.05 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf7.jpg |
| 11:08.10 | L|Elviso | I see |
| 11:08.25 | Kirkburn | That is cool |
| 11:08.35 | [MoonWolf] | yes, ace spell alert good |
| 11:09.13 | Kirkburn | L|Elviso, I'll see if I can do anything about that later |
| 11:09.21 | L|Elviso | Also, in SuperInspect....the shadow resistance # is always about 25-50% larger |
| 11:09.27 | Kirkburn | lol timing |
| 11:09.31 | Kirkburn | I was just writing that |
| 11:09.38 | Kirkburn | Yeah, been like that for a while |
| 11:09.47 | Kirkburn | I need to tell chester |
| 11:10.24 | Kirkburn | The shadow resist uses the numberfont, whereas the others use gamefont |
| 11:10.28 | L|Elviso | I see |
| 11:11.20 | L|Elviso | so, erm |
| 11:11.47 | L|Elviso | is there anyway I could easily just make the tooltips larger? |
| 11:12.20 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 11:12.31 | L|Elviso | *font on tooltip I should say |
| 11:12.38 | Kirkburn | Go into the lua, find GameTooltip |
| 11:12.44 | L|Elviso | for CF? |
| 11:12.47 | Kolth | http://i1.tinypic.com/sgsnqf.jpg http://i1.tinypic.com/sgsntd.jpg http://i1.tinypic.com/sgso4p.jpg http://i1.tinypic.com/sgsnxj.jpg http://i1.tinypic.com/sgsnyw.jpg |
| 11:12.50 | Kirkburn | Just increase the three numbers u see, and yes |
| 11:13.40 | Kirkburn | That's a tiny titan bar you have there |
| 11:13.48 | Kolth | Just installed it. |
| 11:13.52 | Kolth | It's got UIScale issues. |
| 11:13.58 | Kolth | (apparently) |
| 11:14.09 | Kirkburn | 2.15.1? |
| 11:14.49 | Kolth | Unsure |
| 11:14.53 | Kirkburn | Apart from that, is ClearFont working as u expect? |
| 11:14.55 | Kolth | I think I got a bum copy. |
| 11:14.58 | Kolth | Nope |
| 11:14.59 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 11:15.06 | Kolth | UIDropDownMenus are too large |
| 11:15.11 | Kolth | tooltips are perfect |
| 11:15.13 | Kirkburn | Too large now? |
| 11:15.22 | Kirkburn | One extreme to the other ... |
| 11:15.23 | Kolth | Yeah, I said that a while ago. |
| 11:15.29 | Kolth | They're maybe 125% |
| 11:15.34 | Kolth | See my screnshots? |
| 11:15.49 | Kirkburn | oh yeah |
| 11:16.24 | Kirkburn | Which font is that I wonder ... |
| 11:16.24 | L|Elviso | your dropdown on the player frame looks good to me, no? |
| 11:16.39 | L|Elviso | you want it smaller? |
| 11:16.46 | Kolth | L|Elviso: It's larger than normal size. |
| 11:16.57 | Kirkburn | Waitsec, that's not how it looked on mine |
| 11:17.05 | Kirkburn | On my version it's always been small and bold |
| 11:17.07 | Kolth | My UIScale is 0.7 |
| 11:17.46 | Kirkburn | Elviso, what's the dropdown style on yours now? |
| 11:18.38 | L|Elviso | It looked better than it was previously, I will get a screen, one sec |
| 11:21.07 | Kolth | I just relogged and my UIDropDowns are too smalll |
| 11:21.52 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf8.jpg |
| 11:21.55 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf9.jpg |
| 11:22.36 | Kirkburn | That style is what I expect |
| 11:22.42 | L|Elviso | Idk if the chat dropdown (or dropup? lol) is too large, but that doesn't bother me at all |
| 11:23.04 | L|Elviso | and I have EquipCompare disabled, and the tooltips are all still hard to read |
| 11:23.49 | Kirkburn | Shoudl be size 12 |
| 11:23.59 | Kirkburn | Not that that helps :) |
| 11:24.40 | L|Elviso | you like my UI? :) |
| 11:25.16 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 11:25.47 | L|Elviso | undocumented patch change? "\n" no longer disconnects you from the server |
| 11:26.02 | Kirkburn | That might annoy some people |
| 11:26.37 | Kolth | oh, Kirkburn: In my screens, my AutoBar count text is also too large |
| 11:26.39 | Kolth | and bold |
| 11:26.43 | Kirkburn | They'll have to unplug the network connection instead |
| 11:26.54 | Kirkburn | Is it the new number font? |
| 11:27.02 | Kolth | I don't know what the old one was. |
| 11:27.24 | Kirkburn | Where's Autobar in the screenshot? |
| 11:27.32 | Kolth | right of ChatFrame1 |
| 11:27.53 | Kirkburn | Food? |
| 11:27.57 | Kolth | and bandages |
| 11:28.04 | Kirkburn | Intended |
| 11:28.16 | Kolth | Well, it's not as nice as the old way. |
| 11:28.27 | Kirkburn | :P People complained about the numbers being jumpy |
| 11:28.30 | Kolth | Whatever you were doing was a lot prettier. |
| 11:28.38 | Kolth | *were doing before* |
| 11:28.43 | Kirkburn | Easy to revert, just copy ClearFont.ttf over ClearFontNumber.ttf |
| 11:28.53 | Kolth | cool, thanks |
| 11:28.56 | Kirkburn | np |
| 11:29.01 | Kolth | My HP/Mana bars also have the ugly font :) |
| 11:29.02 | Kirkburn | It'll change all the others back too |
| 11:29.28 | Kirkburn | You can change that in the cosmos options |
| 11:29.50 | Kolth | Well, yeah. |
| 11:30.11 | Kolth | I re-set Archaelogist to test zClearFont |
| 11:30.14 | Kirkburn | When I get some time I'll start seeing about getting options ingame |
| 11:31.54 | Kirkburn | L|Elviso, do you mind if I use one of your screenies to show chester the SuperInspect bug/ |
| 11:31.57 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 11:32.35 | L|Elviso | not at all |
| 11:32.55 | L|Elviso | I have autobar in my screenies too :) |
| 11:33.23 | L|Elviso | <Kirkburn> Easy to revert, just copy ClearFont.ttf over ClearFontNumber.ttf |
| 11:33.32 | L|Elviso | is that to make AutoBar #'s smaller? |
| 11:33.49 | Kirkburn | it'll turn it back to the normal ClearFont font |
| 11:34.01 | Kirkburn | It'll appear smaller too |
| 11:34.06 | Kirkburn | Since it won't be bold |
| 11:34.57 | Maldivia | Kirk, did you ever make the UI for ClearFont ? |
| 11:36.56 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 11:37.04 | Maldivia | I remember you talked about it |
| 11:37.17 | Kirkburn | it's on my to do list ... learning how to is above it however |
| 11:37.27 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 11:37.51 | Kirkburn | Also, I need to work out a method |
| 11:37.56 | Maldivia | would enable you to do per-frame font control :) |
| 11:38.06 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 11:38.20 | Maldivia | Like, ChatFrame1 is in font A, ChatFrame2 is in Font B etc ) |
| 11:38.35 | Kirkburn | Possibly, possibly |
| 11:38.48 | Maldivia | I want it now... waahhhhh :) |
| 11:38.52 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 11:38.56 | Kirkburn | Do it yourself :P |
| 11:39.06 | Maldivia | Was considering it :9 |
| 11:39.37 | Kirkburn | :) It's def something I want, so people can use CF how they want |
| 11:40.14 | L|Elviso | man, I always liked being able to \n |
| 11:40.21 | L|Elviso | was a graceful to logout yet avoid server Q's |
| 11:40.29 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 11:40.44 | Maldivia | Now I have a /-command which tries to link item-id 0 :9 |
| 11:41.17 | Kirkburn | Ingenious |
| 11:42.10 | Maldivia | a penny for the one who can guess what it's called :) |
| 11:42.27 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.38 | L|Elviso | hehe |
| 11:42.42 | Maldivia | /n |
| 11:42.43 | L|Elviso | I made spoof :) |
| 11:42.46 | Maldivia | :) |
| 11:43.03 | krka|work | oh right, the quick disconnect |
| 11:43.13 | krka|work | why not /q |
| 11:43.24 | L|Elviso | what's that, quit? |
| 11:43.46 | krka|work | yes |
| 11:43.58 | L|Elviso | er /q doesn't do anything for me |
| 11:44.07 | L|Elviso | they nerf that too? |
| 11:44.56 | *** join/#wowi-lounge L|Elviso (n=irc@66-90-143-73.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 11:45.01 | L|Elviso | oops lol |
| 11:45.04 | krka|work | it was a suggestion by me |
| 11:45.11 | L|Elviso | was saying, /quit brings up the logout countdown |
| 11:45.19 | Maldivia | well, the point is to get the server to disconnect you, so you dont get hit by a queue |
| 11:45.37 | Maldivia | and a logout is annoying, if you're in a group |
| 11:45.42 | L|Elviso | but I liked \n because when you have a server queue of 1000, disconnecting (as in a network problem, or \n) lets you bypass the queue |
| 11:46.06 | [MoonWolf] | so does alt-f4 |
| 11:47.26 | L|Elviso | yeah, that's not as graceful though :p |
| 11:47.39 | L|Elviso | have to reload WoW (although that really doesnt take long) |
| 11:47.47 | Maldivia | alt-f4 kills WoW, \n just puts you at login |
| 11:48.13 | L|Elviso | yup |
| 11:48.28 | Maldivia | but there are so many ways to get DCed |
| 11:49.10 | Maldivia | SendChatMessage("\n") SendChatMessage("\124cff123123CD\124r") etc... |
| 11:49.50 | Kirkburn | (btw, Kolth, L|Elviso, thanks so much for your help!!) |
| 11:50.02 | Kolth | sure thing, thanks for writing ClearFont |
| 11:50.24 | L|Elviso | surely |
| 11:50.30 | Kirkburn | My pleasure. God, I wouldn't cope with the normal fonts any more |
| 11:50.31 | L|Elviso | what he said ^^ |
| 11:50.39 | L|Elviso | I have one more question though :p |
| 11:50.54 | L|Elviso | nm I'm dumb |
| 11:51.20 | Kirkburn | Aww |
| 11:51.43 | L|Elviso | I concur though, I've used that frame xml hack since I first found it about 6-8 months ago |
| 11:52.19 | Kirkburn | Strangely I've never had people complain about that fact and telling me it was illegal |
| 11:52.21 | L|Elviso | k, I just fixed all my tooltips so they looked super awesome now |
| 11:52.34 | Kirkburn | They did for every other frameXML addon, but not mine :) |
| 11:52.42 | Kirkburn | What did ya do? |
| 11:53.06 | L|Elviso | I removed "OUTLINE", and made all 3 game tooltips CLEAR_FONT_BOLD |
| 11:54.03 | Kirkburn | I'll see what that looks like on my copy later |
| 11:56.03 | L|Elviso | just for completeness, here's the finished product.. |
| 11:56.16 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf10.jpg |
| 11:56.19 | L|Elviso | http://kenman.net/cf/cf11.jpg |
| 11:57.07 | [MoonWolf] | you have rhok ;P |
| 11:57.10 | L|Elviso | I have to show off my xbow too :) |
| 11:57.25 | [MoonWolf] | ash i mean |
| 12:01.00 | L|Elviso | Yeah, glad Kirk's willing to work with us... |
| 12:01.20 | L|Elviso | unlike some mod authors, I won't name names though *cough*Saien*cough* |
| 12:01.53 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 12:03.58 | krka|work | looks nice :) |
| 12:04.05 | krka|work | will have to get that |
| 12:04.12 | Kirkburn | Sorry, in a world of my own ... I like it |
| 12:04.52 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 12:05.05 | Kirkburn | krka, wait until I get v11000-2 out |
| 12:06.28 | krka|work | will probably be v11000-100 before i play :P |
| 12:07.40 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:10.04 | Kirkburn | Okay, I've reverted the numberfont back to a non-bold version of the same font, and I've made the tooltip headers bold. Shall see about the rest later |
| 12:10.28 | Kirkburn | I also cut a huge amount out of the lua file :) |
| 12:11.04 | Kirkburn | Now where's my damn server! |
| 12:11.20 | ckknight | anyone speak French? I need to know the word for "remove" |
| 12:11.43 | Kirkburn | Non |
| 12:11.49 | krka|work | http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr |
| 12:12.03 | Kirkburn | www.google.com |
| 12:12.05 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 12:12.06 | ckknight | I don't trust auto-translating dealies |
| 12:12.18 | Kirkburn | Remove as a verb? |
| 12:12.23 | ckknight | yea |
| 12:12.27 | ckknight | as in Remove panel |
| 12:12.37 | ckknight | how is it anything but a verb? |
| 12:12.46 | Kirkburn | errr |
| 12:13.02 | [MoonWolf] | maybe we can nounify it. |
| 12:13.03 | krka|work | il l'enlève = it removes it |
| 12:13.05 | krka|work | :) |
| 12:13.44 | Kirkburn | I can't think which form the verb takes |
| 12:13.54 | ckknight | Enlevez le panneau? |
| 12:14.11 | Kirkburn | Sounds right |
| 12:14.21 | krka|work | here's a thought: don't translate it, wait for angry french users |
| 12:14.25 | Kirkburn | What's the name of the verb form when you're telling someone to do something? |
| 12:14.29 | krka|work | then let them state the correct translation |
| 12:14.34 | ckknight | krka|work, I try _not_ to be a dick |
| 12:14.40 | krka|work | it's not being a dick |
| 12:14.48 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 12:14.59 | ckknight | I'd rather get it right the first time then do a half-assed job |
| 12:15.01 | Kirkburn | Learn english, frenchies! |
| 12:15.05 | krka|work | just put all localizations in localization.fr.lua or something, and instruct people to modify there |
| 12:15.25 | krka|work | i don't think it's fair that people expect coders to also translate |
| 12:15.46 | krka|work | it's a much better use of everyones time that people who are actually french translate it |
| 12:16.10 | ckknight | I had Shouryuu do most of the French translating |
| 12:16.16 | ckknight | I just needed that one line |
| 12:16.33 | ckknight | okay, now German, does anyone know how to say "Remove panel" in German? |
| 12:17.56 | ckknight | nvm, I figured it out |
| 12:18.46 | L|Elviso | ugh |
| 12:18.47 | krka|work | Mögen smögen frögen der Gefunterhunterbunterpanele removieren |
| 12:19.04 | L|Elviso | I hate non-descriptive descriptions |
| 12:19.25 | ckknight | lol, krka |
| 12:19.33 | s|loup | all good krka? |
| 12:20.49 | L|Elviso | downloading BP + plugs ckknight! |
| 12:21.04 | ckknight | alright |
| 12:21.10 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 12:21.27 | L|Elviso | not committing to it, just gonna take it on a testdrive |
| 12:21.51 | ckknight | yea, knock yourself out |
| 12:22.36 | ckknight | I'm just added the auto-hide code, about to publish that |
| 12:25.48 | Kirov | wtf |
| 12:25.59 | Kirov | I can't pick any of my characters on my main server to post with |
| 12:27.03 | Cairenn | Kirov: that's a frequent problem on the day(s) of a patch |
| 12:27.12 | krka|work | oh crap, i was gonna do my favorite TLA but i realized that it's meaning has changed |
| 12:27.15 | krka|work | so sad :/( |
| 12:27.18 | Kirov | *grrr* |
| 12:27.25 | Kirov | I hate posting on alts |
| 12:29.21 | Cairenn | and I see the forums are in full (negative ZOMG BLIZZ SUX) swing |
| 12:29.48 | L|Elviso | NERF NERFERS!! ZMOG |
| 12:29.52 | [MoonWolf] | i keep wondering why those people dont simply leave and never come back. |
| 12:30.09 | Kirov | Easy |
| 12:30.10 | Cairenn | I have to laugh though ... all the people on and on about how Telo abandoned his mods etc and so on ... and sure as clockwork, there he is with his updates ... |
| 12:30.22 | [MoonWolf] | :P |
| 12:30.29 | Kirov | Because then they'd have find something else to complain about. |
| 12:30.30 | [MoonWolf] | we have faith in telo |
| 12:31.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@ip70-187-188-195.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 12:31.13 | Kirov | Cairenn - Well, if it's anything like last patch, he didn't actually update the mod at all. |
| 12:31.23 | L|Elviso | Cairenn: how come the minute you come back from sleep, wow-i downloads start timing out? :p |
| 12:31.28 | Kirov | just changed the interface number |
| 12:31.34 | Cairenn | I don't know :( |
| 12:32.25 | L|Elviso | actually I can't get pages either....prob just a localized or temp prob |
| 12:32.26 | krka|work | because every time cair awakes, people realize that there may be a small chance that she has accidently uploaded nude pics in her sleep, so everyone goes to check at the same time? |
| 12:32.46 | Cairenn | krka|work: rofl, not bloody likely |
| 12:32.50 | krka|work | but i can only speak for myself, of course |
| 12:33.06 | Cairenn | that idea would more likely send everyone screaming and vowing to never return |
| 12:33.10 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.32 | L|Elviso | hahah |
| 12:33.46 | L|Elviso | time for /wget wowinterface.com |
| 12:33.58 | Kirov | yay, he actually updated LootLink to not repeat 1.9's issues |
| 12:34.02 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, 1 in every ten downloaders would actually have a fetish for however you look naked. |
| 12:35.05 | ckknight | a shudder of flattery? |
| 12:35.07 | [MoonWolf] | face the truth people are fucked up. |
| 12:35.20 | AnduinLothar | I'm back! |
| 12:35.30 | Cairenn | and here we thought you were Karl |
| 12:35.31 | AnduinLothar | yay |
| 12:35.35 | [MoonWolf] | AnduinLothar, my cosmos broke and ate my cat. |
| 12:35.37 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 12:35.43 | Cairenn | sorry to have been calling you by the wrong name all the time, Back |
| 12:35.55 | AnduinLothar | good, cats make me sneeze |
| 12:35.58 | Miravlix | MoonWolf: Thats a feature |
| 12:36.08 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:36.12 | [MoonWolf] | :P |
| 12:36.48 | [MoonWolf] | i dont visit the cosmos forums, any patch trolling going on there ? |
| 12:36.57 | Miravlix | no |
| 12:36.58 | AnduinLothar | of course |
| 12:37.19 | Miravlix | We just release a broken cosmos.exe on patch day to make things really fun |
| 12:37.29 | AnduinLothar | i made the mistake of publishing the alpha patcher app without enough testing. people have been whining all day |
| 12:37.45 | AnduinLothar | good times |
| 12:37.59 | AnduinLothar | i have a 'fixed' version |
| 12:38.01 | L|Elviso | should charge for support imo :p |
| 12:38.08 | JoshBorke | "Waiting for www.wowinterface.com..." |
| 12:38.11 | L|Elviso | free software, paid support! |
| 12:38.38 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: I know :( |
| 12:38.40 | AnduinLothar | sounds about right. maybe make the forums have a small fee |
| 12:38.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@rhhe10-109.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 12:38.43 | Cairenn | sigh |
| 12:38.49 | Osagasu | :? |
| 12:38.58 | AnduinLothar | would cut down on smap |
| 12:39.07 | AnduinLothar | and noobs too! |
| 12:39.10 | krka|work | does this mean i can start calling you "Out", Cairenn? |
| 12:39.18 | AnduinLothar | and really complete the elitist picture |
| 12:39.19 | Cairenn | ha ha ha |
| 12:39.24 | JoshBorke | one thing i hate about telo: keeps the interface\addon in the path :-( |
| 12:39.39 | AnduinLothar | ya, i'm not a fan of that unless it's a compilation |
| 12:40.24 | krka|work | possible names for Cairenn: out, female, "just saying", "just teasing", surprised, here, obviously |
| 12:40.31 | krka|work | and is just the start of my list |
| 12:40.59 | krka|work | ok i was bored and had access to grep |
| 12:41.06 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 12:41.06 | krka|work | i did what anyone else would do :/ |
| 12:41.12 | AnduinLothar | ya, karl gets to go to e3! |
| 12:41.16 | AnduinLothar | yay* |
| 12:41.22 | krka|work | grep Cair freenode-#wowi-lounge.log | grep "I'm "|more |
| 12:41.24 | Cairenn | cool, grats |
| 12:41.28 | Miravlix | Shouldn't they upgrade e3 to e4? |
| 12:41.32 | Osagasu | </3 for Anduin |
| 12:41.38 | [MoonWolf] | this working for blizzard thing has way to many benefits1! |
| 12:41.39 | ckknight | what does e3 stand for anyway? |
| 12:41.43 | Cairenn | It's still up in the air whether I'm going or not |
| 12:41.54 | Cairenn | Electronic Entertainment Expo |
| 12:41.59 | krka|work | what's wrong with keeping Interface/Addon/ ? |
| 12:42.03 | ckknight | alright |
| 12:42.08 | ckknight | krka, there's no point |
| 12:42.13 | AnduinLothar | i know huh, and after patch days we have almost nothing to do until the forum mods filter through the spam |
| 12:42.22 | ckknight | and typically it's a pain |
| 12:42.39 | ckknight | I always have to go into the subdirectories to get the real addons |
| 12:42.47 | krka|work | wouldn't say it's a pain |
| 12:43.00 | ckknight | why is wowi down? |
| 12:43.08 | ckknight | I want to upload a new version of BossPanel |
| 12:43.10 | JoshBorke | ( krka ): it's just one more step to get to the addons is all |
| 12:43.12 | krka|work | probably helps for newbies |
| 12:44.39 | L|Elviso | using /interface/addons/ makes me feel like someone triple-wrapped my #4 from Wendy's |
| 12:45.26 | AnduinLothar | wowi died even on low bandwidth mode? |
| 12:45.56 | [MoonWolf] | yep, looks like it |
| 12:45.59 | [MoonWolf] | took wowace with it. |
| 12:46.02 | AnduinLothar | sad |
| 12:46.02 | L|Elviso | i don't think that's it....unless like the euro servers are just coming up |
| 12:46.16 | L|Elviso | b/c it was working flawlessly just 30m ago |
| 12:46.23 | AnduinLothar | cosmosui went down twice today but i think it was back up in 30 min or less |
| 12:46.36 | groll | the euroserver just did come up |
| 12:46.46 | AnduinLothar | thott go down yet? |
| 12:47.03 | L|Elviso | I bet that's it then... Cairenn, you get many EU IP's that you know of? |
| 12:47.29 | Cairenn | don't know, wasn't looking at IPs |
| 12:47.35 | groll | anyone had time to get he latest bosspanel update? |
| 12:47.49 | ckknight | I need to upload the latest BossPanel |
| 12:48.00 | ckknight | it has Autohide goodness |
| 12:48.01 | groll | ah hehe could you mail it to me? ;P |
| 12:48.06 | ckknight | sure |
| 12:48.15 | groll | yay magnus_drivkraft@hotmail.com |
| 12:48.20 | groll | and thanks a bunch :D |
| 12:48.48 | ckknight | okay, sent |
| 12:48.49 | groll | now now calm down ) |
| 12:48.50 | groll | :) |
| 12:48.52 | groll | thanks |
| 12:48.59 | Osagasu | http://www.hiddenpassageway.com/ < :> |
| 12:49.02 | Cairenn | I can't fix it from my end |
| 12:49.08 | groll | btw u fixed the not saving profile thing yet?`:P |
| 12:49.10 | Cairenn | all I can do is sit here and ... sit here |
| 12:49.16 | ckknight | no, groll |
| 12:49.21 | groll | ok dang :P |
| 12:49.34 | ckknight | hadn't looked into that |
| 12:49.36 | L|Elviso | oh, i just meant....do you ever look at the site reports, like for originating IP's? |
| 12:49.51 | [MoonWolf] | working again |
| 12:49.53 | L|Elviso | didn't mean right this second |
| 12:50.09 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: what is? |
| 12:50.22 | [MoonWolf] | wowi... |
| 12:50.23 | Cairenn | L|Elviso: yeah, we do |
| 12:50.30 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: not for me |
| 12:50.33 | Cairenn | :( |
| 12:50.35 | [MoonWolf] | oh wait, wont go on |
| 12:50.48 | Cairenn | and Dolby isn't responding |
| 12:50.48 | [MoonWolf] | i got to the homepage, wanted to go to the forums, but never go there. |
| 12:50.59 | Cairenn | I'm betting he passed out |
| 12:51.12 | Cairenn | (as in, fell asleep) |
| 12:51.38 | [MoonWolf] | thats it , dobly was chanting some spell that kept wowi going all day |
| 12:51.44 | [MoonWolf] | but he got tired and fell asleep |
| 12:51.49 | [MoonWolf] | and now its not working anymore |
| 12:51.55 | ckknight | must be, it fits together so perfectly |
| 12:52.11 | Cairenn | well, he was continually tracking back and blocking IPs all day yesterday |
| 12:52.39 | [MoonWolf] | why ? |
| 12:52.47 | Cairenn | guess |
| 12:52.51 | Miravlix | EU is up! |
| 12:52.59 | ckknight | the evil Europeans have a beef against WoWI |
| 12:53.14 | ckknight | thus are DoSing it |
| 12:53.22 | [MoonWolf] | hey guess what, the eu is coming up in time. |
| 12:53.29 | [MoonWolf] | instead of to late. |
| 12:53.30 | [MoonWolf] | we onw. |
| 12:53.31 | ckknight | amazing |
| 12:53.32 | Cairenn | ckknight: I don't know who it is, and I'm not about to point fingers |
| 12:53.33 | Miravlix | It's early. :p |
| 12:53.33 | [MoonWolf] | own* |
| 12:53.43 | krka|work | point fingers! |
| 12:53.44 | ckknight | yea, I know, Europeans are good people |
| 12:53.47 | ckknight | in theory... |
| 12:53.53 | krka|work | ... |
| 12:54.02 | krka|work | you just generalized > 100 millions? |
| 12:54.02 | Miravlix | It's nice with crash test dummies |
| 12:54.07 | Cairenn | I just know that at least one of the addies was from Amsterdam |
| 12:54.12 | ckknight | good band |
| 12:54.25 | [MoonWolf] | krka|work, in a positive way though |
| 12:54.44 | krka|work | not sure there is a positive way to generalize |
| 12:55.13 | [MoonWolf] | would you rather have, all europeans are nice, or all eu people are assholes.... |
| 12:55.36 | Miravlix | Well Europeans and EU isn't the same thing |
| 12:55.44 | Miravlix | Not yet atleast |
| 12:55.51 | s|loup | EU is working on it ^^ |
| 12:56.14 | Miravlix | We will assimilate them all |
| 12:56.17 | krka|work | when we say EU here, we generally mean europe |
| 12:56.35 | s|loup | the world will belong to us hrhrhrhrhr |
| 12:56.48 | krka|work | eu realm: europe realm, not realm for people in european union |
| 13:00.59 | ckknight | groll, I figured out the bug |
| 13:01.07 | groll | oh? |
| 13:01.12 | ckknight | yea |
| 13:01.39 | ckknight | needless to say, I consider Ace's profile system flawed in some ways |
| 13:02.05 | groll | heh oke |
| 13:02.11 | groll | major flaw or minor? |
| 13:02.22 | ckknight | I don't like the architecture |
| 13:02.31 | ckknight | it's not really a "bug" |
| 13:02.34 | krka|work | what about it don't you like? |
| 13:03.20 | ckknight | how do I set the default profile for one addon, but not all of them? |
| 13:03.28 | ckknight | or a set of addons |
| 13:03.57 | ckknight | and there's no good API for changing it programmatically, it's typically expected to be done from command line |
| 13:04.29 | ckknight | groll, lemme send you the new version and see if you're still getting the issue |
| 13:04.33 | krka|work | i don't know enough about how it works to get that :) |
| 13:04.34 | groll | k |
| 13:05.49 | ckknight | the version numbers are the same, btw, cause I didn't officially release |
| 13:05.56 | Miravlix | EU is soooo lag there. |
| 13:05.57 | groll | ok |
| 13:06.03 | Miravlix | Keeps timing out so I can't get in |
| 13:06.41 | ckknight | same thing happened to US |
| 13:07.06 | Miravlix | I just need 30 seconds so I can upload a ShardTracker fix |
| 13:07.25 | Miravlix | We missed a SetOwner update in it. |
| 13:08.15 | Cairenn | wowi is back up |
| 13:08.26 | AnduinLothar | that the inventory name scanning one that should just use the id info instead of a tooltip anyway? |
| 13:08.27 | ckknight | just noticed ;-) |
| 13:08.42 | Kirkburn | Hello again ... so, people don't like having "Interface/Addons" in the zip? |
| 13:08.54 | groll | bah call of elements stopped working :S |
| 13:08.55 | AnduinLothar | i don't.. |
| 13:08.55 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: it's redundant |
| 13:09.11 | Kirkburn | I'll stop doing it then :) |
| 13:09.12 | Miravlix | It's becoming an established standard to just have <addondir> |
| 13:09.16 | Kirkburn | I never liked it anyway |
| 13:09.17 | ckknight | why the crying? |
| 13:09.27 | groll | the best shammy addon ever stopped working |
| 13:09.33 | ckknight | which? |
| 13:09.40 | groll | call of elements |
| 13:09.41 | Miravlix | groll: SetOwner |
| 13:09.48 | groll | hmm ? |
| 13:09.48 | Miravlix | It's just not tooltip scanning |
| 13:09.56 | Miravlix | takes 5 seconds to fix |
| 13:10.03 | groll | hmm oke |
| 13:10.06 | groll | u know what it is? |
| 13:10.33 | AnduinLothar | esp now that we can't replace the framexml anyway |
| 13:10.33 | groll | or rather how to fix it :D |
| 13:13.17 | [MoonWolf] | make the tooltip have a parent. |
| 13:14.09 | groll | well i know jack about lua or coding for that matter :P |
| 13:14.17 | Miravlix | tooltipframename:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE") |
| 13:14.20 | groll | i'm just a lua coder groupie :P |
| 13:14.27 | krka|work | blizzard has finally done something for all the orphans |
| 13:14.43 | ckknight | ? |
| 13:14.53 | Miravlix | .... |
| 13:14.54 | groll | Miravlix should i change that in the call of elements lua ? |
| 13:15.17 | Miravlix | Problem is I don't know what the name of CoE's tooltipframe is |
| 13:15.22 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-68-127-191-243.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 13:15.29 | groll | any way to find out for me? |
| 13:15.48 | L|Elviso | ckknight: loving BP so far :) are there any known issues w/MicroMenu though? |
| 13:16.46 | groll | i love bp too, only one minor thing and that is that it could be slightly prettier :P |
| 13:16.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 13:18.18 | ckknight | L|elviso, not that I know of |
| 13:18.35 | ckknight | I wrote it, it's pretty simplistic, actually |
| 13:19.00 | L|Elviso | when I mouseover, I get the MicroMenu tooltip thing, but the buttons simply aren't responding |
| 13:19.08 | ckknight | hrm |
| 13:19.12 | L|Elviso | all I have enabled is BP + plugins for addons right now |
| 13:19.17 | L|Elviso | and warmup |
| 13:19.19 | ckknight | okay, I'll look into it |
| 13:20.08 | L|Elviso | ok, need any addt'l info? |
| 13:20.45 | ckknight | nope |
| 13:20.48 | ckknight | doing same for me |
| 13:21.08 | ckknight | guessing it broke in the 1.10 turnover |
| 13:22.48 | JoshBorke | zomg my addons all broke! |
| 13:22.50 | JoshBorke | :D |
| 13:22.51 | JoshBorke | morning everyone |
| 13:23.27 | L|Elviso | hurro |
| 13:24.29 | Wobin_ | Just -where- do we set the owner for the tooltip? |
| 13:25.07 | krka|work | anywhere before it's used |
| 13:27.40 | Miravlix | You can set it onload |
| 13:27.45 | L|Elviso | hrmmm, I'm seeing 9-10 Titan plugins I'd want to port over. |
| 13:28.10 | ckknight | list em |
| 13:29.28 | Tain | Coming soon: BP Titan Plugin Port Wishlist Addon |
| 13:29.39 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 13:29.43 | L|Elviso | LOl |
| 13:29.52 | L|Elviso | actually, on closer inspection, it's about 5-6 |
| 13:29.55 | L|Elviso | ChatHistory, JB_Roll, TradeCooldown, BerserkMeter, DamageMeters, EmoteMenu |
| 13:30.06 | L|Elviso | the last is meh, but fun |
| 13:30.28 | L|Elviso | I believe they would all be really simple |
| 13:30.32 | Tain | There already was EmoteMenu, it was quite a fiasco. |
| 13:30.37 | ckknight | yes |
| 13:30.40 | ckknight | attribution issues |
| 13:30.49 | L|Elviso | attribution issues? |
| 13:31.01 | ckknight | he didn't mention the guy he ripped the code from |
| 13:31.09 | L|Elviso | oops! |
| 13:31.10 | Tain | Someone did a direct port, didn't credit the original author, original author didn't like it and had it removed from d/l. |
| 13:31.23 | L|Elviso | that'll learn ya |
| 13:31.44 | L|Elviso | if you don't know what any of those others do, feel free to ask |
| 13:31.58 | Tain | I guess you have to stick to your principles, just looked like a stupid playground pissing match to me. |
| 13:32.14 | ckknight | yea |
| 13:32.48 | L|Elviso | I might actually enjoy porting those, if I had to do it myself... |
| 13:32.48 | Tain | But! I don't use EmoteMenu so it didn't register as anything but entertainment. |
| 13:33.12 | L|Elviso | b/c for ChatHistory, I'd want to expand it to be more like EVW |
| 13:33.28 | L|Elviso | for JBRoll, all I really care about is a button to hit that does a /roll |
| 13:33.37 | L|Elviso | not roll tracking/announcing/etc |
| 13:33.38 | krka|work | people coding wow addons tend to be very unclear about licenses |
| 13:33.50 | krka|work | are everyone just assuming everything is BSD license? |
| 13:34.09 | Tain | Most people are assuming no licensing. |
| 13:34.32 | Tain | Even though who think they are thinking about licensing aren't always thinking about how the license they choose actually fits into Blizzard's world. |
| 13:34.36 | Miravlix | There is no license if you don't include one, just copyright |
| 13:34.37 | [MoonWolf] | krka if they dont care to even express what they think about such a thing, yes i will. |
| 13:34.48 | Miravlix | but then copyright is way stricter than a GPL or BSD |
| 13:35.02 | krka|work | well, default should be no license at all, i.e. plain copyright |
| 13:35.12 | [MoonWolf] | yes, i know, i care little |
| 13:35.24 | ckknight | everyone can assume all my addons are BSD |
| 13:35.36 | krka|work | i look at other peoples code, but i never ever rip stuff directly out |
| 13:35.40 | L|Elviso | BSD as in the OS> |
| 13:35.42 | L|Elviso | ? |
| 13:35.47 | [MoonWolf] | everyone can assume them to be as readable in the license.htm |
| 13:35.47 | ckknight | no, as in the license |
| 13:35.48 | krka|work | BSD as in the license |
| 13:35.55 | L|Elviso | lost me then |
| 13:36.02 | krka|work | google for bsd license |
| 13:36.05 | [MoonWolf] | bsd is also a license type |
| 13:36.13 | ckknight | it's very close to public domain, except that you have to give attribution |
| 13:36.22 | krka|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_License |
| 13:36.39 | krka|work | i should BSD my stuff |
| 13:37.28 | [MoonWolf] | i have a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike |
| 13:37.55 | ckknight | that's a reasonable one too |
| 13:38.17 | groll | anyone seen sarf lately btw? |
| 13:38.32 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
| 13:38.36 | [MoonWolf] | not me |
| 13:38.40 | L|Elviso | well well well, BSD lisc stems from BSD the OS :b |
| 13:38.50 | Codayus | Most addon coders seem to lean vaguely BSD-wards by default. Most seem happy for people to borrow code, so long as they're given credit... |
| 13:39.07 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.25 | ckknight | only assholes like RMS corrupt the pool and preach GPL, Codayus ;-) |
| 13:39.41 | Codayus | Then again, a lot of the larger differences between BSD and, say, GPL are largely irrelevent for addons...it's not like there's a binary/source code distinction. Hrm. |
| 13:40.00 | krka|work | well, you can obfuscate your lua code |
| 13:40.04 | krka|work | (automatically) |
| 13:40.10 | krka|work | to the point it can be considered a binary |
| 13:40.21 | Codayus | I guess the big sticking point for many people is redistribution rights, actually. A lot of people seem to dislike the idea of addon sites picking their addon up without asking - that's not BSD compatible, is it? |
| 13:40.34 | Miravlix | GPL infects you if you use it, so you can't use GPl code in your addon without releasing it freefly |
| 13:40.39 | ckknight | it is BSD compatible, Codayus |
| 13:40.51 | ckknight | as long as they give credit to you |
| 13:40.52 | Tain | Oh don't fall into the "infectious" crap. |
| 13:41.07 | krka|work | yeah, it's the same thing as performing the empty-modification and then releasing it |
| 13:41.12 | ckknight | I hate he infectious nature of GPL |
| 13:41.24 | Tain | Just more terms coined to try to spread FUD on both sides of GPL and the BSD license. |
| 13:41.36 | Tain | They were at each others throats for years. |
| 13:41.45 | L|Elviso | so much fuss over some /lol and /rofl and /violin! |
| 13:41.48 | Codayus | ckknight: Yeah, so I guess that's probably where most addon authors would part ways with a straight BSD license. Hrm. |
| 13:42.29 | Codayus | Heh, the emacs/xemacs fight is much more fun. :-) |
| 13:42.38 | Tain | Not wanting to release your addon't code is a reason to not use the GPL? |
| 13:42.40 | krka|work | actually, i think i should just use gpl for my addons, so people don't modify my code, obfuscate it, and release that |
| 13:42.57 | AnduinLothar | has anyone every tried that? |
| 13:43.16 | krka|work | not that i know of |
| 13:43.16 | Codayus | I'm trying to think why anyone would even want to try... |
| 13:43.20 | ckknight | Codayus, if you want to decide redistribution rights like what you're talking about, no open source license works |
| 13:43.31 | krka|work | well, AbandonShip did "steal" my code |
| 13:43.32 | ckknight | under the open source definition |
| 13:43.38 | krka|work | and took a long time for him to give credit |
| 13:43.47 | krka|work | i had to point it out, and wait a few months |
| 13:43.53 | krka|work | no obfuscation though |
| 13:44.04 | Kirkburn | Well, someone uploaded their own ClearFont and called it ClearFont when 1.9 came out |
| 13:44.16 | Kirkburn | That was annoying |
| 13:44.17 | Tain | Until someone sues someone else for license violations on their addon code it's all moot. :) |
| 13:44.50 | [MoonWolf] | Kirkburn, yeah, the guts that guy had. |
| 13:45.14 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 13:45.17 | Codayus | ckknight: Actually, I thougght the OSI had approved one or two with some fairly nasty requirements about redistribution...but, meh, couldn't name them offhand. |
| 13:46.23 | Codayus | And there's enough FUD in the OSI vs Stallman fight that just because I heard they had done so doesn't mean they DID... |
| 13:46.31 | ckknight | nope, Free Distribution is an important part of the OSD |
| 13:46.32 | Tain | We don't even know what licenses are ok to use since they may or may not have to fit within a Blizzard license anyway. Unless you're not actually executing your code anywhere in WoW. |
| 13:46.39 | Codayus | s/Stallman/FSF |
| 13:46.40 | ckknight | you can't prevent people from distributing |
| 13:46.57 | krka|work | blizzard doesn't fit in with this in any way |
| 13:47.11 | krka|work | they have NO rights whatsoever over stuff that I write |
| 13:47.30 | Tain | Nope, but they do about you running it in their game. |
| 13:47.48 | krka|work | how do you mean? |
| 13:48.13 | AnduinLothar | the only power they have over it is the power you gae them when you agreed to the terms of use contract |
| 13:48.22 | Codayus | Hrm, ah. Actually, I think I was thinking of some OSI approved licenses that stopped distribution of modified code. If memory serves, the FSF doesn't like that, but the OSI accepts it. Anyhow, not what we're talking about. |
| 13:48.48 | Tain | Sure, but the TOS also conveniently says paraphrased, "And anything else we want." in it. |
| 13:49.09 | AnduinLothar | minor details |
| 13:49.13 | krka|work | they could write "we own your first born" there, but it wouldn't make it legal |
| 13:49.35 | Tain | Yeah, doesn' tmake the GPL legal either. :) Takes someone to challenge it. |
| 13:49.44 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, but they can say anything krka made is not going to be ran in our game |
| 13:49.48 | [MoonWolf] | and you cannot stop them. |
| 13:49.50 | krka|work | hmm... what do you mean? |
| 13:49.56 | krka|work | GPL doesn't restrict anything |
| 13:50.01 | krka|work | GPL just gives you privileges |
| 13:50.08 | Tain | But regardless, I'm no license expert, I'm just saying I believe .. |
| 13:50.09 | Tain | What? |
| 13:50.13 | Tain | GPL doesn't restrict anything? |
| 13:50.25 | Miravlix | GPL is very restrictive |
| 13:50.33 | krka|work | everything that plain copyright allows, gpl allows |
| 13:50.38 | Miravlix | The idea is to make all code free |
| 13:50.54 | Maldivia | if you want free code, go with the BSD license |
| 13:51.01 | krka|work | if GPL isn't valid, then it would revert to common copyright law |
| 13:51.07 | krka|work | which is more restrictive than GPL |
| 13:51.09 | Miravlix | So when you absorb GPL code into your project, the whole project gets forced into being GPL |
| 13:51.27 | Tain | Yeesh. All I'm saying is I believe there is a Blizzard piece to at least consider in reality, even if not in purely theoretical discussions like this. |
| 13:51.52 | Miravlix | There is no Blizzard issue here I can see. |
| 13:52.13 | Miravlix | It would be the same as saying there is a Lua Org issue |
| 13:52.56 | krka|work | or a microsoft issue, if you're coding it in windows |
| 13:53.34 | Tain | No, it isn't the same. |
| 13:53.50 | Miravlix | It's precisely the same. |
| 13:54.15 | Miravlix | Blizzard don't get any magic rights because they write the software our code runs under |
| 13:54.18 | ckknight | how isn't it the same? |
| 13:54.19 | Tain | MS Windows restricts you from selling the code you write for Windows? |
| 13:55.02 | krka|work | no, and they can't |
| 13:55.32 | Tain | Try selling addons for WoW and see what happens. |
| 13:55.40 | Codayus | For there to be a Bliz issue, I think you'd have to argue that WoW + your addon is a derived work. And even then, the liability would seem to be the users, not Blizzards. |
| 13:55.42 | AnduinLothar | why how nice of them. they made a TargetFrameTextureFrame instead of having an anonimous two frame two deep |
| 13:56.07 | Miravlix | besides the fact I wouldn't make any money, nothing |
| 13:56.14 | Miravlix | I own my addons and can sell them |
| 13:56.14 | krka|work | as long as i don't sell anything that belongs to blizzard, i should be fine |
| 13:56.54 | Tain | You can see exactly what happens by looking back at Neverwinter Nights. |
| 13:57.50 | Codayus | I could see an argument as to the addon being a derived work though. |
| 13:57.59 | Tain | Your code is your code, sure it is. However it isn't apples to apples to say WoW is Windows. |
| 13:58.13 | ckknight | how is it a derived work? |
| 13:58.22 | Maldivia | was about to ask the same thing |
| 13:58.30 | ckknight | sure you use the API and such, but you do the same with Win32 |
| 13:58.33 | Tain | There's woefully little caselaw around software licensing. |
| 13:58.41 | Codayus | What Tain said. :-/ |
| 13:59.07 | Maldivia | well, as such, you don't use the API before it's running in WoW |
| 13:59.15 | krka|work | my code running in wow, should be the same thing as wow running in windows |
| 13:59.18 | Tain | Shrinkwrap EULAs, TOS, they're all unchallenged. |
| 14:01.39 | Tain | Anyway yeesh I'm just telling you people to think further as I think it's more complicated than just arbitrarily assigning a license to your code. |
| 14:01.39 | Codayus | Let me see... |
| 14:01.39 | Maldivia | Tain: unless you choose a BSD, MIT or similar license :) |
| 14:01.39 | Tain | Of course as is often said in the wonderful world of the Internet, IANAL. |
| 14:01.39 | Codayus | Ah, someone tried to sell a CD of mods to Duke Nukem 3D. The published of Duke Nukem sued, and won. The CD of mods was deemed a derivitive work. |
| 14:01.39 | Codayus | http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/cases/Micro_Star_v_Formgen.html |
| 14:01.45 | Tain | I'm introducing the FU License. You can use my code all you like, but I get to say, "Fuck You." to you in return. |
| 14:01.51 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:02.10 | Tain | *Translations may vary by language |
| 14:02.25 | Kirkburn | Woop, finally finished http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~gp3509/ClearFont/index.htm |
| 14:02.26 | AnduinLothar | mmm, curse is full |
| 14:02.57 | AnduinLothar | meh, that's ok.. no one wanted LevelEstimator anyway |
| 14:03.29 | JoshBorke | what is levelestimator? |
| 14:03.40 | [MoonWolf] | it estimates levels... |
| 14:03.42 | AnduinLothar | tells you mob levels |
| 14:03.48 | Codayus | Anyhow, the argument in that case was that the audio-visual display you get when you run the game+mod is a derivitive work of the game. In other words, in WoW terms, WoW and WoW with custom unit frames installed are different games, and the latter game is a derivitive of the first. Fun... |
| 14:04.07 | Maldivia | Kirk, why didn't you just do all the font changes after all addons were loaded, via an event or similar? |
| 14:04.49 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, is your FU license compatible with other licenses |
| 14:06.04 | krka|work | that's a fucked up ruling then Codayus :/ |
| 14:06.08 | Codayus | It's an interesting and well written opinion, even if I think it's scarily wrong. |
| 14:07.18 | Codayus | Hmmm. |
| 14:07.50 | Tain | Nope Moon, not compatible with GPL. |
| 14:08.07 | [MoonWolf] | how about the bsd, or the various CC's ? |
| 14:08.26 | Codayus | That being said, I think you could distinguish a mod for DN3d and a mod for WoW. |
| 14:08.48 | krka|work | how? |
| 14:08.50 | Codayus | "The work that Micro |
| 14:08.52 | Codayus | Star infringes is the D/N-3D story itself... |
| 14:09.05 | Tain | Should be compatible with BSD though. |
| 14:09.10 | Codayus | doh, stupid newlines |
| 14:09.25 | Codayus | ... A book about Duke Nukem would infringe for the same reason, even if it contained no pictures." |
| 14:09.25 | AnduinLothar | so, yay... GetChatWindowInfo is borked |
| 14:09.29 | Tain | GPL does not allow the addition of restrictions beyond those it already imposes. |
| 14:10.01 | L|Elviso | nice looking site Kirkburn |
| 14:10.15 | Kirkburn | Thanks ... I apologise for any damage I've done to your eyes |
| 14:10.17 | Codayus | The cd of mods was much more clearly making a new STORY that just happened to be a game. A WoW mod is a lot closer to the "pink screener" described in a footnote. |
| 14:10.25 | L|Elviso | I like it |
| 14:10.43 | Kirkburn | it used to be brighter than that, it's not so bad now :) |
| 14:11.11 | Kirkburn | I had it in frames before too, with the top bar being bigger - it obscured half the view :s |
| 14:11.20 | Codayus | In fact, I completely revise my early comment. I believe that MicroStar v FormGen, doesn't set a precedent that would allow Bliz to stop the sale of WoW mods. :-) |
| 14:11.27 | krka|work | hmm... Kirkburn, the installation is to replace the wow fonts? |
| 14:11.32 | krka|work | i thought you couldn't do that in 1.10 |
| 14:11.33 | Kirkburn | Can I just say Dreamweaver is AWFUL at writing html |
| 14:11.49 | ckknight | alright, I fixed Micro Menu |
| 14:11.51 | [MoonWolf] | and php |
| 14:11.52 | Codayus | Wow, I can't beleieve I just spent that much time analyzing that case. |
| 14:12.14 | Kirkburn | krka|work, afaik it only affected the frameXML files |
| 14:12.18 | ckknight | the solution: no more XML |
| 14:12.45 | Kirkburn | The extra font files are more of a backup than anything |
| 14:12.58 | Kirkburn | (I assume you were talking about "Step two" |
| 14:13.37 | krka|work | yes |
| 14:13.56 | krka|work | so if you simply overwrite the blizzard fonts, why do you need lua code at all? |
| 14:14.30 | ckknight | to change sizes and whatnot |
| 14:14.33 | Kirkburn | I've made specific changes |
| 14:14.34 | ckknight | and overwriting fonts is icky |
| 14:14.36 | Kirkburn | indeed |
| 14:14.50 | Kirkburn | You wouldn't get my font styles, either (bold, italic, etc) |
| 14:15.15 | krka|work | ooh.. .special handling for lots of addons |
| 14:15.18 | krka|work | poor you :) |
| 14:15.30 | Kirkburn | It's there to prevent the standard fonts from showing themselves in rare cases (like addons I haven't overidden) |
| 14:15.37 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:15.57 | Kirkburn | I expect the addon override list to get longer |
| 14:17.11 | Kirkburn | In fact I have an idea and a request - does anyone here define their own font styles in their addon xml? If so, tell me! |
| 14:19.28 | krka|work | yeah, i think i do |
| 14:21.03 | Kirkburn | hrm, thinking about it .... never mind. I'll add overrides if people have trouble with addons. I've just realised that Step Two is extremely required now |
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| 14:22.28 | Kirkburn | Dear god, font-related thoughts are evolving in my head and they're not good :S |
| 14:22.45 | krka|work | do share |
| 14:22.56 | Kirkburn | Without Step Two I would now have to override about half the addons in existence |
| 14:23.05 | Miravlix | Make a explorer where the user clicks a frame and then you explorer the frame to see if it should be dynamically added to the override list |
| 14:24.03 | krka|work | can't you just search through all frames in game and replace? :) |
| 14:24.30 | Kirkburn | Problem is, say something defines a fontstring called Bob which inherits GameFontNormal |
| 14:24.37 | Kirkburn | How can I override that? |
| 14:25.09 | krka|work | not sure |
| 14:25.36 | krka|work | i don't know enough about how fonts work |
| 14:25.38 | Kirkburn | What i currently do is do it on a named basis, so I look for Bob then override it (as ClearFont loads last) |
| 14:26.03 | Kirkburn | I'm intrigued as to whether ClearFont loading first has an effect on the inherits |
| 14:26.40 | Kirkburn | Say ClearFont loaded before the Bob addon, would the GameFontNormal inherit my version, or the fonts.xml version? Intruiging ... |
| 14:26.55 | Kirkburn | And utterly utterly confusing |
| 14:28.23 | Kirkburn | Where's Iriel when you need him |
| 14:30.23 | Tain | Clubbing baby seals I think. |
| 14:31.07 | L|Elviso | ckknight, you here? |
| 14:31.26 | ComicSansMS | the problem is, i don't think you can override gamefontnormal properly, since it's declared virtual |
| 14:31.57 | Kirkburn | It's worked so far! |
| 14:32.29 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 14:32.32 | ComicSansMS | interesting... ^^ |
| 14:33.10 | [MoonWolf] | ComicSansMS, i hate you. please die. |
| 14:33.24 | Kirkburn | Say I made ClearFont a load first addon ... how would I then get it to load again after everything is loaded? |
| 14:33.48 | [MoonWolf] | kirkburn... a second small addon ? |
| 14:33.49 | Kirkburn | Or do I go crazy and make it reload *every* time an addon loads? |
| 14:34.16 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I was thinking of maybe that |
| 14:34.43 | krka|work | why not reload? |
| 14:35.00 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure if load times would be affected |
| 14:36.11 | Kirkburn | Should be easy enough to test though, since I have like 80 |
| 14:37.00 | ComicSansMS | hmm, you probably could hook into ADDON_LOADED and do a quick rawequal over every font... |
| 14:37.02 | Cide | hmm, is anyone running wow with a resized worldframe? |
| 14:37.09 | ComicSansMS | don't think this schould get too slow |
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| 14:37.50 | Kirkburn | Yeah, gonna try that first |
| 14:38.49 | ComicSansMS | or, if you're a real bastard, you could hook the SetFont() method of each font ;) |
| 14:39.27 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 14:43.07 | s|loup | comic wasnt there a post by iriel who had a code for changing the font of all objects? |
| 14:43.31 | ComicSansMS | yup there was... sec... |
| 14:44.25 | ComicSansMS | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=286547&p=1&tmp=1#post286547 it's pretty close to the bottom |
| 14:46.19 | Kirkburn | I'm beginning to realise this ui change maybe didn't go that much in my favour :) |
| 14:46.41 | s|loup | maybe it would be best to handle this code after loading all addons |
| 14:47.03 | Crispix | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-general&ThreadID=7662505 :D |
| 14:47.40 | Kirkburn | piccie no loady |
| 14:47.58 | Kirkburn | s|loup, yes and no and maybe |
| 14:48.05 | Crispix | it should |
| 14:48.05 | s|loup | ^^ |
| 14:48.11 | Crispix | http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/wowscreenshots/TheUnknownRealm.jpg |
| 14:48.14 | Crispix | try that kirk |
| 14:48.14 | Kirkburn | aha, it does now |
| 14:48.21 | s|loup | most problems will be going on with dynamic objects |
| 14:49.13 | Kirkburn | Yes, it will work for about half of the addons, but not for those that define their own fonts. Nor LoD addons. |
| 14:50.07 | Kirkburn | As soon as I get on WoW, I shall test a version that loads 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 19th, etc etc |
| 14:50.58 | s|loup | hm you can change the code so you replace all of the fonts with your own font but leave the size |
| 14:51.15 | Kirkburn | I can't load it first and last since I have no way of knowing what 'last' is :s Unless anyone can suggest anything? |
| 14:51.34 | Kirkburn | True, but as my choice of font is smaller than normal, I do really have to change the sizes :( |
| 14:51.45 | Adrine | Mornin' |
| 14:51.50 | Kirkburn | Ciao |
| 14:51.53 | JoshBorke | morning adrine |
| 14:52.09 | s|loup | yes but the new sizes depend on the old sizes of the old font ;) |
| 14:52.23 | Kirkburn | (having said that, if I split ClearFont into !ClearFont and zClearFont, that might work, assuming no LoD addons get called during loading) |
| 14:52.38 | ComicSansMS | there is no last since they introduced load on demand ;) |
| 14:52.48 | Crispix | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-hunter&ThreadID=1105648 *thnks he's going to be taken like hes sarcastically* |
| 14:52.56 | s|loup | thats the third problem ^^ |
| 14:53.37 | Kirkburn | Aww, Crispix |
| 14:53.44 | Cairenn | Crispix: nice |
| 14:53.48 | Adrine | I got to see snow in Winterspring last night. |
| 14:53.51 | Adrine | I was so happy. :D |
| 14:54.17 | Cairenn | and here's my latest contribution: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=345124&p=1&tmp=1#post345124 |
| 14:54.51 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:56.08 | krka|work | lol, you spammer cair |
| 14:56.09 | Adrine | I had a couple of 1k+ smite/holy fire crits last night. :D |
| 14:56.19 | Adrine | And that's with virtually all +healing gear. |
| 14:56.52 | JoshBorke | woohoo i made the list! |
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| 14:57.24 | Cide | god damnit |
| 14:57.43 | Cide | so many people complaining about mods when they haven't even checked for updates |
| 14:57.47 | Ktron|zzz | Ah Cide, the man of the hour, heh |
| 14:57.56 | Ktron|zzz | I'm sure you're getting spam like no other |
| 14:58.01 | Adrine | Cide, you should know better than to expect otherwise by now :P |
| 14:58.02 | Ktron|zzz | except for maybe people like Cair |
| 14:58.13 | Cide | yeah, I've grown used to it I guess |
| 14:58.21 | Adrine | It would be nice if WoW provided a remote update notification in-game |
| 14:58.33 | s|loup | bye |
| 14:58.35 | Cairenn | *sighs* |
| 14:58.36 | Adrine | Go to the addons window, hit a TOC-defined URL, get latest version info |
| 14:58.55 | Adrine | That way people could at least see "hey, new version available, go to http://x.com to get it" |
| 14:59.20 | Legorol | go go girl, you tell'em |
| 14:59.47 | Miravlix | FlagRSP has remote notification |
| 15:00.03 | Miravlix | It use a com channel and if someone on the com channel has a never version is barks |
| 15:00.15 | Miravlix | it barks |
| 15:00.17 | Elkano | ItemDB has that, too :) |
| 15:00.40 | Miravlix | wtf are we going to get more channels |
| 15:00.54 | Elkano | but this only makes sense for addons, that use channels for other features, too. |
| 15:01.01 | Miravlix | I'm at 10 now without skyparty, skyraid and skyguild |
| 15:01.21 | Adrine | That's a bit of a hack, though, and requires a channel slot. |
| 15:01.27 | Miravlix | It make sense for everyone, just use Sky |
| 15:01.36 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 15:02.04 | Kirkburn | we need more interoperability! |
| 15:02.14 | Kirkburn | And channels! |
| 15:02.14 | Miravlix | I would be at 9 if it wasn't for stupid coders that want to use there own channel |
| 15:02.37 | Kirkburn | skyguild is unused tho |
| 15:02.51 | Miravlix | skyraid too I think |
| 15:03.25 | Cide | except |
| 15:03.36 | Cide | not everyone likes sky |
| 15:03.38 | Crispix | Attn mod/ui developers : Support me .. please: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-suggestions&ThreadID=762458 |
| 15:03.39 | Miravlix | But I need my SkyParty |
| 15:04.00 | Miravlix | Cide: Who cares what the like it's freaking stupid to use multiple channels when we only haev 10 |
| 15:04.05 | Kirkburn | Sky as a channel, rather than as an addon |
| 15:04.08 | Cide | in fact |
| 15:04.09 | Legorol | oh wait, that happened in US too |
| 15:04.11 | Ktron|zzz | we should just have a 'mod' channel, where all the messages are like [Name-AddonName]: blehcehh! |
| 15:04.30 | Cide | if you only have one addon (take CTRA), that's one channel, compared to sky's 3? 4? |
| 15:04.43 | Cide | I don't know how it works, so don't kill me if I'm wrong |
| 15:04.44 | Crispix | kay.. this dwarf has to head to work.. Cya later all :) |
| 15:04.51 | Legorol | Sky only uses 2 channels during ordinary operations, or 1 if you are not in a group at all |
| 15:04.51 | Kirkburn | :) sky does other stuff though |
| 15:04.57 | Legorol | you can opt to quit any of its channels |
| 15:05.06 | Miravlix | Cide: Sky, SkyParty, Xtensiontooltip2, CTRA |
| 15:05.13 | Miravlix | Thats 1 2 3 4 channels |
| 15:05.13 | Cide | for you, maybe |
| 15:05.16 | Cide | CTRA is one |
| 15:05.23 | Miravlix | No it's 4 |
| 15:05.28 | Cide | CTRA is one. |
| 15:05.32 | Miravlix | No it's 4 |
| 15:05.33 | Cide | if you use another 3, then yes, you're up to four |
| 15:05.44 | Miravlix | But I guess the concept is too advanced for you. |
| 15:05.44 | Kirkburn | Stop it :P |
| 15:05.56 | Kirkburn | Cripes |
| 15:06.05 | Eraphine|Lab | Not to too CTRA's horn, but it's so prolific that people might as well just use the ctra channel |
| 15:06.08 | Cide | I'm not hostile, or angry in any way, I think we're allowed to discuss |
| 15:06.08 | Kirkburn | Seriously, Ktron's suggestion should be considered |
| 15:06.16 | Eraphine|Lab | too = toot |
| 15:06.27 | Legorol | I see the problem with each AddOn having its own channels |
| 15:06.32 | Cide | Miravlix: no need to bash my intellect, thanks |
| 15:06.33 | Legorol | I don't see the problem with discussing this problem |
| 15:06.34 | Ktron|zzz | It'd be easy to implement on our level |
| 15:06.43 | Legorol | Nor do I think that any one addon/channel is more important than the other |
| 15:06.46 | Miravlix | Problem is that if you overload the communication channel from multiple addons |
| 15:06.49 | Miravlix | YOU DISCONNECT |
| 15:07.05 | Miravlix | so the only solution is to use ONE comm addon that throttles |
| 15:07.09 | Legorol | Miravlix: sarf has written a chat comm filtering adon, i forget the name |
| 15:07.19 | Adrine | Personally, I'd like channels 11+ to be silent addon channels, and leave 1-10 for visible chat. |
| 15:07.19 | Kirkburn | hmm |
| 15:07.20 | Legorol | which will throttle on all channels, irrespective of addons |
| 15:07.35 | Legorol | Adrine: nice idea |
| 15:07.38 | Eraphine|Lab | Channel cause increases in bandwidht usage |
| 15:08.12 | Eraphine|Lab | The use of channels as a means of transfering information between one addon and another I mean. |
| 15:08.19 | Eraphine|Lab | it does for CTRA as well. |
| 15:08.33 | Legorol | Crispix: your suggestion for being able to delete AddOns is not really viable |
| 15:08.37 | Legorol | think of this bowl of soup... |
| 15:08.38 | Kirkburn | Basically we need to beg Blizzard for some improvement |
| 15:08.40 | Ktron|zzz | I think one addon channel, an addon to throttle it, and just put pressure on everyone to minimize what they need to send on the channel |
| 15:09.10 | Kirkburn | A single worldwide channel? |
| 15:09.12 | Eraphine|Lab | the problem you run into is that, by and large, the majority of users that even "need" channels only need it for CTRA |
| 15:09.13 | Ktron|zzz | We could at least squeeze a little out of the current system |
| 15:09.16 | Legorol | Crispix: imho you shouldn't have the ability in-game to delete anything, it's just too dangerous |
| 15:09.30 | Legorol | Crispix: and we already have the ability to disable AddOns from within the game, which is pretty close |
| 15:09.31 | krka|work | i just want a global LFG channel and then i'd be happy |
| 15:09.39 | Legorol | This way a user can't accidentally delete something |
| 15:09.51 | Legorol | krka: we will see what their new LFG system is like |
| 15:10.02 | krka|work | when does that come? |
| 15:10.04 | Ktron|zzz | Eraphine|Lab, good call, maybe... one world channel and one party/raid channel |
| 15:10.09 | Legorol | btw, global LFG channel *is* possible already, if only users would cooperate |
| 15:10.17 | Legorol | there is nothing stopping users from joining GlobalLFG |
| 15:10.21 | krka|work | standing around in UC doing nothing, just to get a group is boring |
| 15:10.28 | krka|work | true, but people don't know about that |
| 15:10.29 | krka|work | i didn't |
| 15:10.30 | Legorol | what is lacking is user cooperation |
| 15:10.33 | krka|work | yes |
| 15:10.45 | Eraphine|Lab | Channels like that already exist for us on Elune |
| 15:10.50 | Eraphine|Lab | There is one called HighInstance |
| 15:10.59 | Legorol | multiple times i have considered posting on the forums with a post suggesting that all users join GlobalLFG or similar |
| 15:11.01 | Eraphine|Lab | for anyone who is looking for 55+ raids. |
| 15:11.05 | Legorol | pick a name, start spreading it |
| 15:11.13 | Legorol | tell your friends, the friends of your friends etc. |
| 15:11.15 | Legorol | if you are lucky, it will catch on |
| 15:11.18 | krka|work | Legorol, but until a majority starts doing it, it's worthless |
| 15:11.21 | Eraphine|Lab | a global lfg channel would get too busy way too fast |
| 15:11.26 | krka|work | a very big majorty |
| 15:11.31 | Legorol | you have to start somewhere |
| 15:11.38 | Legorol | i know there is a large initial barrier |
| 15:11.40 | krka|work | which is why we need a blizzard system |
| 15:11.41 | Eraphine|Lab | what's funny is that our "LFG" channel was kept secret |
| 15:11.48 | Legorol | krka: i agree with you |
| 15:11.49 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:11.50 | Eraphine|Lab | and it was still overloaded |
| 15:11.51 | Legorol | but noone even tried it yet |
| 15:11.58 | krka|work | maybe a system where you go to the instance and kinda click on a stone there to automatically find a party for you |
| 15:12.03 | krka|work | something like that would be awesome |
| 15:12.08 | Eraphine|Lab | <gasp> |
| 15:12.13 | Legorol | krka: what??? |
| 15:12.19 | Legorol | you *do* know about meeting stones, right? |
| 15:12.22 | Eraphine|Lab | WHAT A GREAT IDEA |
| 15:12.22 | Legorol | and how bizmally they failed |
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| 15:12.30 | krka|work | </irony> |
| 15:12.34 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 15:12.35 | Legorol | phew |
| 15:12.37 | Ktron| | There were global RP channels for a while on a server or two that I was on |
| 15:12.38 | Eraphine|Lab | </irony> |
| 15:12.43 | krka|work | thought that was painfully clear |
| 15:12.44 | Kirkburn | Lol, the main EU thread atm "Why is nobody complaining about servers down?" |
| 15:12.52 | Legorol | rofl |
| 15:12.54 | krka|work | but i will include the starting tag next time :) |
| 15:13.14 | Eraphine|Lab | You think a global lfg channel is good, I assure you, without moderation, it is very bad. |
| 15:13.19 | krka|work | actually, trying to keep a channel secret is probably a better way to get it big |
| 15:13.27 | Eraphine|Lab | that may be true krka |
| 15:13.27 | Kirkburn | The first comment in that thread: "Seriously, they've been down for over 12 hours and nobody is complaining on here? I don't get it." |
| 15:13.43 | Eraphine|Lab | but my point is, there are over 300 L60's at any given point on elune |
| 15:13.53 | Kirkburn | Only 300? |
| 15:14.01 | Eraphine|Lab | that would be looking for groups |
| 15:14.04 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 15:14.07 | Miravlix | Well she is a Goddess, she can handle 300 at a time |
| 15:14.17 | Eraphine|Lab | ha |
| 15:14.29 | JoshBorke | oh my |
| 15:14.50 | Eraphine|Lab | Kirkburn |
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| 15:14.54 | krka|work | blizzard perfected matchmaking in warcraft 3 |
| 15:14.54 | Eraphine|Lab | I want to thank you for writing clear fonts |
| 15:15.02 | krka|work | why not do the same for partys? |
| 15:15.03 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:15.15 | Eraphine|Lab | I was able to get my old font.xml ported right into it :) |
| 15:15.17 | JoshBorke | morning tem |
| 15:15.17 | krem`zz | i just had a mega deja vu, when cide and miravlix were talking about channels D: |
| 15:15.22 | Eraphine|Lab | just changed your font sizes and whatnot to match |
| 15:15.36 | Adrine | Hahaha! |
| 15:15.38 | Adrine | http://www.funkyhorror.net/tchernobyl/NewSilithusQuestline.JPG |
| 15:15.41 | Kirkburn | Cool. It's still not quite 1.10 compliant yet though |
| 15:15.48 | Eraphine|Lab | what's wrong with it? |
| 15:15.51 | Eraphine|Lab | I haven't noticed any bugs |
| 15:15.55 | Adrine | Doomulus Prime |
| 15:16.01 | Kirkburn | Oh some size things, random stuff |
| 15:16.01 | kraymontieuh | old news, omgfg |
| 15:16.03 | JoshBorke | anyone seen a relic? |
| 15:16.06 | kraymontieuh | yeah JoshBorke |
| 15:16.13 | Eraphine|Lab | yeah, I took out all the addon overrides |
| 15:16.22 | Miravlix | How about we ask Slouken for making a start of line code that makes the default client ignore everything on the line |
| 15:16.24 | kraymontieuh | the second one online in my guild linked a -3 cost on rake relic |
| 15:16.32 | Kirkburn | I need them cos the font I chose is smaller :s |
| 15:16.34 | Eraphine|Lab | I have had 0 problems |
| 15:16.47 | Miravlix | So we can use General, /guild, /raid, /party for addon communication |
| 15:16.47 | Eraphine|Lab | you know kirk |
| 15:16.58 | Eraphine|Lab | you could use a program like fontstudio to just increase the size of your fonts |
| 15:17.10 | Miravlix | And non addoned users wont even notice it, becuase the client auto ignore char xyz lines? |
| 15:17.13 | Eraphine|Lab | and also, the font I use has font overrides too |
| 15:17.17 | Kirkburn | Hmm, maybe |
| 15:17.22 | JoshBorke | kraymontieuh: any SS? |
| 15:17.23 | Eraphine|Lab | I just changed the values to what they were in my font.xml |
| 15:17.33 | kraymontieuh | JoshBorke: SS of? |
| 15:17.37 | kraymontieuh | oh |
| 15:17.38 | JoshBorke | of said relic :D |
| 15:17.38 | Eraphine|Lab | regardless, I have had 0 problems |
| 15:17.38 | kraymontieuh | the relic |
| 15:17.39 | kraymontieuh | nein |
| 15:18.01 | Ktron | Miravlix, actually, I think that might save other headaches too... Make it possible to actually not get messages, not just ignore them |
| 15:18.22 | Kirkburn | Glad to hear it Eraphine =) |
| 15:18.36 | Eraphine|Lab | btw, kirk, if I read the code correctly, it checks the raid color against a slightly different one in clearfont? |
| 15:18.38 | JoshBorke | ha, i love how blizzard just gives 1 day credits all the time now |
| 15:18.40 | Eraphine|Lab | to see if font.xml has been reloaded? |
| 15:18.41 | Kirkburn | SERVERS ARE UP |
| 15:18.46 | Kirkburn | yep |
| 15:19.42 | kraymontieuh | damnit |
| 15:19.46 | kraymontieuh | i shouldn't have logged on WoW |
| 15:19.49 | kraymontieuh | my brain is asploding again |
| 15:20.00 | Kirkburn | Although I'm stuck on realm retriving atm |
| 15:26.11 | kraymontieuh | anybody around that could help me locate a lost frame? |
| 15:26.11 | kraymontieuh | ._. |
| 15:26.28 | kraymontieuh | guildmate lost his PetActionBarFrame, and i can't find it at allll |
| 15:26.29 | Adrine | define "lost" |
| 15:26.36 | kraymontieuh | can't find it |
| 15:26.43 | kraymontieuh | IsVisible() returns true |
| 15:26.49 | kraymontieuh | parent is still mainmenubar |
| 15:26.55 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.59 | kraymontieuh | tried it, nothing |
| 15:27.04 | kraymontieuh | alpha is one |
| 15:27.17 | JoshBorke | scale? |
| 15:27.42 | kraymontieuh | asking |
| 15:28.05 | Legorol | kraymontieuh: go into layout-cache.txt and delete the section pertaining to PetActionBarFrame |
| 15:28.08 | Legorol | if there si one |
| 15:28.16 | kraymontieuh | JoshBorke: scale should be 1? |
| 15:28.21 | Legorol | don't forget to do that whilst you are not in-game |
| 15:28.27 | kraymontieuh | it's not me lego, ._. |
| 15:28.35 | Legorol | also, if it's an addon that's foobaring it up, tell him to disable all addons then log back in |
| 15:28.49 | Legorol | do that twice in a row |
| 15:28.52 | kraymontieuh | hes got nothin but getlink on atm^ |
| 15:28.52 | Legorol | should be back in its place |
| 15:29.09 | Legorol | tell him to disable all addons, log in twice, |
| 15:29.12 | Legorol | then see if it's back |
| 15:29.18 | Legorol | and do check layout-cache.txt |
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| 15:31.34 | Kirkburn1 | Harrr, the new Background Downloader just gave me a BSOD! |
| 15:31.40 | Ktron | flexbar still seems to be buggy |
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| 15:34.55 | Elkano | oh, they forgot sth in 1.10 installer... it didn't change the desktop links from wow.exe to launcher.exe... ;) |
| 15:35.23 | kraymontieuh | layout cache reset didnt work |
| 15:35.24 | kraymontieuh | =/ |
| 15:36.35 | JoshBorke | what does the new Background Downloader do? |
| 15:38.07 | Legorol | JoshBorke: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01880p |
| 15:39.11 | AnduinLothar | it downloads... duh duh duh... int he background! |
| 15:40.19 | groll | gah i need a working buffbot :S |
| 15:40.39 | AnduinLothar | mine works :P |
| 15:40.51 | JoshBorke | danke |
| 15:40.59 | AnduinLothar | just needs the tooltips anchored |
| 15:41.03 | groll | AnduinLothar u use the one sarf has on his svn? |
| 15:41.19 | AnduinLothar | i use the one i hacked myself |
| 15:41.32 | groll | AnduinLothar could you perhaps help me fix sarfs? if u have the time |
| 15:41.46 | AnduinLothar | i'm on the verge of fallign asleep |
| 15:41.51 | groll | lol oke :P |
| 15:42.45 | AnduinLothar | Archaeologist is scary now |
| 15:43.04 | groll | scary? |
| 15:43.40 | AnduinLothar | there are so many onptions that just the tetxt MCom menu breaks SimpleHTML |
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| 15:46.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | If the syntax burns your eyes, you know it's working right. |
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| 15:47.38 | [MoonWolf] | are you talking about perl ? |
| 15:47.55 | Elkano | bur archaeologist is still <3 |
| 15:48.14 | Elkano | bur? kek! |
| 15:48.33 | kraymontieuh | what happened to SetIgnoreArrows()? |
| 15:49.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | error: GoodSyntax() : not found |
| 15:49.26 | kraymontieuh | o_O? |
| 15:50.35 | Legorol | zomg: slouken uses an AddOn compilation! read it here: |
| 15:50.36 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=344290&tmp=1#post344290 |
| 15:50.39 | Legorol | i wonder which one he uses |
| 15:51.12 | [MoonWolf] | QT perhaps |
| 15:53.15 | AnduinLothar | "updated promptly on patch day" um... it's either CT, Telo or Cosmos by the looks of it. or he makes his own.. or he's refering to the default |
| 15:53.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | He might be referring to all the beta addons he probably fools around with, which are, of course, promptly updated on patch days ;) |
| 15:54.04 | [MoonWolf] | :P |
| 15:54.54 | Legorol | sorry my wording wasn't exact |
| 15:54.57 | Legorol | he said "addon set" |
| 15:55.09 | Legorol | that could refer to the default UI, i suppose.. |
| 15:55.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | A bunch of addons made by any one org would be an addon set, no? |
| 15:55.20 | JoshBorke | wowi is getting hit hard now :- |
| 15:55.22 | Legorol | but a bit strange way of wording it, unless he wants to be tongue-in-cheek, which would be very slouken ;-) |
| 15:55.22 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 15:55.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'd guess if it's any third-party, it would have to be CT |
| 15:55.53 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 15:56.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cosmos would have to be de-Thottbot'd for usage inside Blizzard |
| 15:56.36 | AnduinLothar | not if you isntall manually or know what you're doing enough to not enable thottbot on the installer app |
| 15:56.52 | Adrine | I'd guess CT, personally. |
| 15:56.56 | [MoonWolf] | or simply take the alpha and pick what you want/need |
| 15:57.06 | [MoonWolf] | i guess slouken would fall in the last category |
| 15:57.21 | Adrine | I dropped CT on my laptop last night since I didn't have time to pick through everything and fix it all. I'd forgotten how solid it was. |
| 15:57.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Since you have a) Chance that some stupid Blizzard employee would upload a GM profile (it's happened before), and b) Blizzard hates Gold Sellers |
| 15:58.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | I dunno, Cosmos always seemed like the "Windows" of addons. CT is much more specific to certain needs. |
| 15:58.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/addons/addon sets |
| 15:58.28 | AnduinLothar | right, well the QA dept officially says no to Cosmos, but that's jsut because they don't feel like educating 50 people on the finer points of 3rd party apps. |
| 15:58.42 | [MoonWolf] | cosmos is windows, ct is mac and ace is linux... not really acurate but funny in a way. |
| 15:58.45 | AnduinLothar | he's a dev tho.. |
| 15:59.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: Do they officially say no to ALL third-party addons, or just Cosmos? |
| 15:59.51 | [MoonWolf] | if the latter was the case we would be talking to slouken.... |
| 16:00.02 | AnduinLothar | You're not sposed to test with addons, but technically that means you jsut have to make sure the bug is still a bug w/o addons |
| 16:00.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | While doing QA Testing, it makes sense not to run any third-party addons. So I assume they ask you not use Cosmos when just playing the game normally on their computers? |
| 16:01.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right, but unless you're a Blizzard dev skilled in the way their C code and Lua interacts, you should not test WoW w/ third-party addons. This makes sense. It adds variables to the equation. |
| 16:01.28 | AnduinLothar | they say no to cosmos soley for the reason that they don't want people accidently uploading unreleased content |
| 16:02.05 | Kirkburn1 | Lol, Joystik says about 1.10 "The update weighs in at 368.3 MB" ... yes perhaps if you've never played before! |
| 16:02.15 | [MoonWolf] | and they absolutely right. |
| 16:02.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, that too. |
| 16:02.40 | AnduinLothar | they do not, however, bother to note that it's not possible to upload the data if you intall manually. There is no distinction made |
| 16:02.56 | Miravlix | The spamtastic healer soltuion to 1.10 /script if CastingBarFrame:IsShown() and UnitHealth("target") / ( UnitHealthMax("target") / 100 ) > 80 then SpellStopCasting() elseif not CastingBarFrame:IsShown() then CastSpellByName("Lesser Healing Wave(Rank #)") end |
| 16:03.01 | Kirkburn1 | Well, since you're an insider, can you not twist their arm? |
| 16:03.22 | [MoonWolf] | Miravlix, why did you have to go and write that. |
| 16:03.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Still, I wouldn't be surprised if another unspoken reason is because of Thottbot's connection to gold sellers. |
| 16:03.35 | Miravlix | Because I'm good? |
| 16:03.42 | [MoonWolf] | this patch is going to be the demise of a lot of keyboards and or mouse buttons. |
| 16:03.49 | AnduinLothar | i don't have the power to twist at this point. |
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| 16:04.40 | AnduinLothar | only power i retain is the ability to use Cosmos myself without uploading anything. Heck I wrote the patcher spec, i should know how it works |
| 16:04.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Blizzard has used strong-arm tactics in the past when it comes to any connection to gold selling, but I also wouldn't be surprised if internally there are dissenting views on how much gold selling really hurts their business. |
| 16:05.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/business/business and game |
| 16:05.28 | AnduinLothar | well, the thottbot tie was made in beta when blizzard officially didn't care |
| 16:05.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Blizzard did a World Reset after beta, right? |
| 16:05.58 | JoshBorke | s/business/business and game/ |
| 16:06.11 | Miravlix | Gen: What beta? |
| 16:06.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | JoshBorke: I didn't add the trailing slash because I find that feature of the purl bot annoying. |
| 16:06.22 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: yes, they did |
| 16:06.22 | AnduinLothar | blizzard decided to be anti-gold selling fairly soon after retail and thott has been trying to find a legal way out of the tie since then |
| 16:06.24 | Miravlix | US/EU beta had new servers and therefor char wipe |
| 16:06.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right, so gold-selling in Beta wouldn't make a difference after release. |
| 16:08.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: I bet they were planning all along to be anti-gold selling, and given that there aren't many MMORPGs out there who are pro-gold selling, it was a pipe dream on the Thottbot team's part to think Blizzard would continued without a stance. They should have at least asked. |
| 16:09.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | You can't just say "Blizzard came out of nowhere with their heavy stance against gold selling" |
| 16:09.15 | AnduinLothar | who do you ask in beta? |
| 16:09.43 | AnduinLothar | anyway. wasn't my decision. that was before my time with the team |
| 16:10.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | I've been in Blizzard betas before, they aren't without feedback, and there are also email addresses to ask those kinds of questions... |
| 16:10.55 | Kirkburn | WTB time machine? |
| 16:11.03 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: be careful with assumptions: http://stationexchange.station.sony.com/ |
| 16:11.06 | AnduinLothar | 20/20 hind sight my friend |
| 16:11.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: "There aren't many" |
| 16:11.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Aren't many != All, I'm well-aware of Sony's evil idea at cashing-in on gold selling |
| 16:11.56 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: " I bet they were planning all along to be anti-gold selling" |
| 16:11.59 | Kirkburn | That's some strange cartoons on that there page |
| 16:12.30 | Cairenn | you can't know what they were or weren't planning any more than the Thottbott tema could know |
| 16:12.39 | Cairenn | team* |
| 16:12.48 | Kirkburn | indeed |
| 16:12.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: Sony and Verant have a history at making short-sighted changes in order to increase their capital. Vivendi and Blizzard do not... |
| 16:13.17 | Cairenn | and who is to say that there isn't massive dissent within Blizz themselves on the whole issue? |
| 16:13.24 | Kirkburn | There's a rumour that SOE are losing the Star Wars license |
| 16:13.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: I already said, I wouldn't be surprised if internally Blizzard is divided or there's dissent in the lower ranks. |
| 16:14.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: Anyway, my comments about Thottbot weren't addressed to you, I never considered you a part of Thottbot. |
| 16:14.51 | AnduinLothar | I'm not. but Thott is a friend |
| 16:15.13 | Cairenn | anyway, sorry, not trying to start an arguement, just saying that we need to be careful with assumptions and with anything we say/hear to/from each other right now, everyone is stressed with the stupid patch |
| 16:15.24 | Cairenn | I know I am |
| 16:15.24 | Kirkburn | It's a bit of a shambles really |
| 16:15.38 | Adrine | I generally just avoid the UI forums for about 2 weeks after a patch. |
| 16:15.40 | AnduinLothar | silly cair. what's to stress about? |
| 16:15.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: I wasn't making assumptions, I was just saying, "I wouldn't be surprised" ;) |
| 16:15.54 | Adrine | Because honestly, it isn't worth the idiots who can't be bothered to read. |
| 16:15.55 | Kirkburn | I'm in! |
| 16:15.57 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: noted |
| 16:16.10 | Cairenn | Adrine: I don't have that luxury =/ |
| 16:16.17 | Kirkburn | And my hunter appears to have no trousers! |
| 16:16.23 | Adrine | I'm sorry, Cairenn :( |
| 16:16.32 | Cairenn | I'd love to be able to just ignore the forums some times =/ |
| 16:16.32 | Cairenn | Adrine: no worries :) |
| 16:16.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: To me, Thottbot is like Internet Explorer -- Microsoft backing, strong yet stable, required by webpages that would rather cater to IE then Firefox, and not open source. |
| 16:16.47 | Adrine | (Though, I am curious in my ignorance - why not?) |
| 16:17.01 | Cairenn | ~Cairenn? |
| 16:17.04 | purl | rumour has it, cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface.com, also EQInterface, EQ2Interface and VGInterface |
| 16:17.07 | Adrine | Aye |
| 16:17.13 | Cairenn | that's why not |
| 16:17.13 | Adrine | Aha, ok. |
| 16:17.28 | Adrine | Well then. Remind me to never become an integral part of the mod community. ;) |
| 16:17.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn can't ignore the forums, she gets paid per word by OGaming ;) |
| 16:17.44 | AnduinLothar | ouch |
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| 16:17.54 | AnduinLothar | ya.. not so nice |
| 16:18.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey now, that was a joke. |
| 16:18.12 | AnduinLothar | not a funny one |
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| 16:18.29 | Adrine | See, as a developer, I think it would be awesome to have your stuff used and loved by many! but then I remember that you have to do customer support, which sucks. |
| 16:18.39 | AnduinLothar | she's rather sensitive about her lack of retrebution in the form of funding |
| 16:18.39 | Adrine | I want to write shiny things and fire-and-forget. :D |
| 16:18.58 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 16:19.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh? I was always under the impression she was doing well, and she needed to maintain a well-known place in the community to continue doing well (like most administrators of websites like hers). |
| 16:19.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | I guess she's an exception, I'll apologize next time she comes on. |
| 16:20.11 | AnduinLothar | donated time. she gets paid nothing |
| 16:21.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well I think I'll trim my toenails with my teeth while I have my foot in my mouth. |
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| 16:22.34 | AnduinLothar | i've watched my brother do that literally... he's a special one |
| 16:25.41 | Shouryuu | what a bad, F****** day |
| 16:26.12 | Kirkburn | I just logged in Shouryuu |
| 16:26.54 | Shouryuu | I really am going to go mad |
| 16:26.58 | Kirkburn | I think the servers are starting to appear |
| 16:27.01 | Kirkburn | Why so? |
| 16:27.18 | Shouryuu | because everything is just going to wrong bloody way right now |
| 16:27.31 | Shouryuu | gee, thanks :p |
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| 16:28.18 | Shouryuu | what law is that |
| 16:28.21 | Kirkburn | So, what weather have we experienced so far? |
| 16:28.29 | Shouryuu | everything that could go wrong, did go wrong? |
| 16:28.35 | Kirkburn | Sod's |
| 16:28.55 | Shouryuu | dubito ergo sum |
| 16:29.08 | Kirkburn | If it makes you feel better, I've spent 6 hours playing with ClearFont without any servers to test it on |
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| 16:29.22 | Shouryuu | I doesn't sorry |
| 16:29.31 | Kirkburn | After getting up this morning before 7 for an exam |
| 16:29.53 | Shouryuu | I get up before 7 every day |
| 16:30.03 | Kirkburn | Not for exams you don't :P |
| 16:30.12 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:30.19 | Kirkburn | But still, that's not nice |
| 16:30.28 | Kirkburn | Why so early? |
| 16:30.30 | Shouryuu | annnd there goes the intranet |
| 16:30.33 | Shouryuu | school |
| 16:30.43 | Kirkburn | (yay handshaking!) |
| 16:31.02 | Kirkburn | I was gonna say ... how can you tell us the internet's not working? :P |
| 16:31.04 | Shouryuu | w00t |
| 16:31.09 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:31.31 | Kirkburn | (still handshaking!) |
| 16:31.32 | Shouryuu | Well it's weirdish. I just get "cannot find server" each time I load webpage |
| 16:31.46 | Shouryuu | that's baad |
| 16:32.22 | Kirkburn | I'm trying the Background Downloader ... last time it gave me a BSoD |
| 16:32.30 | Kirkburn | Lan settings messed up? |
| 16:32.34 | Kirkburn | Same in FF and IE? |
| 16:32.52 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 16:33.09 | Shouryuu | even MSN messenger won't connect |
| 16:33.28 | Kirkburn | Christ, I just gave myself a shock ... had a rubber band on my PC, forgot about it, and it just pinged off when I clicked the background downloader |
| 16:33.31 | Elkano | error with DNS? try to ping the page via command line |
| 16:33.47 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, have you tried the Messenger test thingy |
| 16:34.06 | Shouryuu | ping the site... how would one do that? |
| 16:34.07 | Kirkburn | test connection |
| 16:34.28 | Kirkburn | (In WLM8 it's Connection Troubleshooter) |
| 16:34.43 | Shouryuu | wait I'll try it |
| 16:34.47 | Elkano | btw: we should send Iriel after avery addon coder who updated it's addons but didn't remove RegisterForSave... :/ |
| 16:35.28 | Kirkburn | Ah, that's better, ClearFont actually worked this time |
| 16:35.31 | Elkano | which OS are you runing? WinXP? |
| 16:35.38 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 16:35.47 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn: Grats :p |
| 16:35.58 | Elkano | do you know how to access the command prompt? |
| 16:36.06 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 16:36.34 | Elkano | well, open the prompt and then type: ping <url> |
| 16:36.45 | Elkano | eg: ping www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 16:37.14 | Adrine | No http |
| 16:37.19 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 16:37.41 | Elkano | yes, no http since that's only a protocol |
| 16:37.46 | Shouryuu | Tries pingin WoWI, request timed out thrice |
| 16:37.49 | Kirkburn | Yay! It really does work! And even thought it loads about 50 times during startup, it didn't seem to affect the addon load speed |
| 16:38.05 | Elkano | but at least it did give you an IP, didn't it? |
| 16:38.34 | Shouryuu | as in Pinging www.wowinterface.com [so.me.num.bers.here.] yes |
| 16:38.40 | Elkano | should be sth like: 65.98.55.102 |
| 16:38.48 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 16:38.59 | Elkano | ok, so DNS should be fine |
| 16:39.14 | Shouryuu | cool :P |
| 16:39.25 | L|Elviso | it's just high traffic.. |
| 16:39.28 | Elkano | next: tracert www.wowinterface.com |
| 16:39.38 | Shouryuu | It does that for google L\Elviso |
| 16:39.45 | L|Elviso | does what |
| 16:39.55 | Shouryuu | times out |
| 16:40.00 | L|Elviso | that's intentional |
| 16:40.17 | L|Elviso | wow-i may intentionally block ICMP (ping) packets as well |
| 16:40.37 | Elkano | nope, I was able to ping wowi |
| 16:41.04 | ckknight | goddammit, wowi's down again |
| 16:41.08 | L|Elviso | yeah, it's usually just larger sites that block ICMP |
| 16:41.13 | L|Elviso | due to DDoS attacks |
| 16:41.32 | Shouryuu | ok I've tracert, now what? |
| 16:41.46 | Shouryuu | how do I leave a memo to someone btw? |
| 16:41.47 | Elkano | @shouryuu: tracert will show you the nodes through which you are trying to connect to the other server and will ping ech of these nodes so you'll se up to where your connection is successful |
| 16:42.04 | Elkano | /ms help |
| 16:42.40 | Kirkburn | Hmm, something's leaking bad in my addons |
| 16:43.08 | Kirkburn | Btw, anyone notice that it respects the "load out of date addons" setting this time? |
| 16:43.08 | Miravlix | WTF |
| 16:43.16 | Miravlix | I can do /script ToggleAutoRun(9 |
| 16:43.26 | Miravlix | can't |
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| 16:43.47 | Miravlix | Why the hell am I not allowed to enable ToggleAutoRun() from a macro |
| 16:44.18 | Osagasu | Its a movement hook, like jump is |
| 16:44.33 | L|Elviso | Shouryuu, what is your problem? |
| 16:45.20 | Kirkburn | Btw, this should shut up people who complain about IE7 ... it's uses 3meg of RAM when minimised. |
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| 16:45.56 | L|Elviso | I'm never using IE again unless I'm forced to at a job |
| 16:45.56 | Adrine | Kirkburn: Question is, how much of IE is loaded in the explorer (ie, shell) libraries? ;) |
| 16:46.31 | Kirkburn | For Vista, at least, it's totally separate of the shell |
| 16:46.37 | Kirkburn | But yeah, this is WinXP :) |
| 16:46.40 | Elkano | Kirkburn, it did before (wrt otdated addons) |
| 16:46.45 | Shouryuu | L|Elviso I was just confused at Miravlix's statement |
| 16:46.54 | Kirkburn | Elkano, not for any patch I remember |
| 16:47.08 | Kirkburn | unless it just hated me |
| 16:47.14 | Elkano | since I havend used WoWTOC for some time it did before :) |
| 16:49.27 | Shouryuu | I hate turbo pascal |
| 16:49.37 | Shouryuu | that blue background just kills my eyes |
| 16:49.51 | Shouryuu | I got mad after using that stuff |
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| 17:00.13 | [MoonWolf] | i forgot what wow looked like without clearfont :( |
| 17:00.17 | [MoonWolf] | i dont like it |
| 17:00.21 | [MoonWolf] | but i cant download it. |
| 17:02.23 | Andalia | clearfont rocks but i have several problems with it atm (so the addons that hab probs. with it are disabled now ;)) |
| 17:02.29 | Andalia | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1424 |
| 17:03.11 | [MoonWolf] | inst ui.worldofwar.net in member only mode ? |
| 17:04.55 | Andalia | hmm...dunno ;) it works for me |
| 17:06.55 | ckknight | hrm, anyone know how I can get the item link of a bag you're currently using? |
| 17:07.05 | Osagasu | Forgotten Chat is brokeded. *sob* |
| 17:07.08 | ckknight | there's GetBagName(bagId), but I want the link |
| 17:07.16 | krka | how annoying, can't update with Cedega |
| 17:07.47 | [MoonWolf] | krka, cant update or cant download ? |
| 17:07.57 | krka | the updater crashes |
| 17:08.02 | krka | can download the patch fine |
| 17:08.09 | [MoonWolf] | rename repair.exe and retry |
| 17:08.46 | [MoonWolf] | then call me in the morning. |
| 17:09.29 | krka | rename repair.exe? |
| 17:09.41 | krka | why? |
| 17:10.00 | AnduinLothar | forgotten chat forgot to update? |
| 17:10.04 | [MoonWolf] | someone in ace had the same problem said the patcher crashed on repair.exe, he renamed it and it worked. |
| 17:10.08 | Kirkburn | I'm getting tiny tooltips :D |
| 17:10.10 | [MoonWolf] | try it, it cant hurt. |
| 17:10.11 | krka | thanks, i will try |
| 17:10.27 | wereHamster | krka, did you read the transgaming forums? |
| 17:10.27 | Kirkburn | I've just had someone in my guild chat shouting at me that addons don't work any more |
| 17:10.32 | krka | seems to be working better now! |
| 17:10.36 | krka | got much further |
| 17:10.40 | krka | nope |
| 17:10.46 | krka | reading is for losers |
| 17:10.46 | [MoonWolf] | still going i hope ? |
| 17:10.49 | krka | that's what i always say |
| 17:10.51 | krka | yeah |
| 17:11.08 | wereHamster | krka, http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5696 |
| 17:11.12 | Kirkburn | He kept repeating that addons can't use LUA or XML any more :s |
| 17:11.18 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 17:11.36 | [MoonWolf] | he is right, in a sick twisted and distant way. |
| 17:11.36 | Kirkburn | Even AFTER I told him I've been talkign to the addon authors for 6 hours |
| 17:11.41 | wereHamster | that said, I don't use cedega.. I use wine :) |
| 17:11.53 | [MoonWolf] | some problems aply to both |
| 17:11.59 | Kirkburn | And that I'm an addon author myself. Silly people not reading patch notes properly |
| 17:12.11 | AnduinLothar | read!? O.o |
| 17:12.58 | groll | Legorol for neural input plz fix sarfs buffbot :P |
| 17:13.13 | Legorol | groll, which version is that? |
| 17:13.23 | Legorol | do you mean actual BuffBot AddOn, or do you mean ActionQueue? |
| 17:13.23 | groll | not a clue, the one on his svn |
| 17:13.48 | Legorol | come on groll, you know better than to just say "fix it" |
| 17:13.52 | Legorol | what is the problem? |
| 17:14.02 | groll | it doesnt buff properly :P |
| 17:14.13 | Legorol | *sigh* |
| 17:14.14 | groll | it just keep casting chainlignthing for example and dont buff my weapon and so on |
| 17:14.26 | Legorol | ok, sarf's AddOn doesn't do any actual casting |
| 17:14.36 | Legorol | so it'd be a bug with something else |
| 17:14.38 | Legorol | such as BuffBot |
| 17:14.57 | groll | ya he has a buffbot in the svn and that is the one i mean |
| 17:14.57 | Legorol | BuffBot wasn't written by sarf, fyi |
| 17:15.02 | Legorol | he does? |
| 17:15.04 | groll | ya |
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| 17:15.11 | Legorol | lemme check |
| 17:15.19 | groll | oki :D |
| 17:15.25 | Legorol | nope, he doesn't |
| 17:15.29 | Legorol | you must be confusing two things |
| 17:15.32 | Legorol | the only things in there are: |
| 17:15.37 | Legorol | ActionQueue, AQ_BuffBot |
| 17:15.45 | groll | erm no |
| 17:15.58 | groll | he has 2 svn's? |
| 17:16.05 | Legorol | ? |
| 17:16.05 | Andalia | kickburn are u going to upload clearfont 11000-2 soon? |
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| 17:16.15 | Legorol | groll: that's news to me :D |
| 17:16.19 | Legorol | do you have the address? |
| 17:16.21 | Legorol | morning Iriel |
| 17:16.34 | groll | sec just gonna get out of og |
| 17:16.39 | [MoonWolf] | morning oh awesome iriel, we are not worthy |
| 17:16.53 | Shouryuu | okkk problem half solved. I am still downloadin at 1/10 the swarm speed (8kb/s). But I can browse the internet and download atm |
| 17:16.59 | Kirkburn | Yay for iriel |
| 17:17.14 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.20 | Iriel | Morning. |
| 17:19.11 | Elkano | ckknight? I had posted you the code for the bags using pastebin lately ^^ |
| 17:19.57 | Elkano | GetInventoryItemLink("player", GetInventorySlotInfo("Bag0Slot")) |
| 17:21.49 | Legorol | i still don't understand why they did this: "All spells/abilities that remove existing effects (e.g. Dispel Magic, Cleanse, Remove Curse etc...) will now verify that there is an effect that can be removed before casting. |
| 17:22.03 | Legorol | this makes it easier to auto-decurse, if anything |
| 17:22.22 | groll | Legorol hehe u were right ofcourse :P |
| 17:22.31 | Iriel | I believe it's to stave off complaints about lag wasting mana, and excessive whining for SpellStopCasting ? |
| 17:22.47 | groll | u know what version one should be using Legorol? |
| 17:22.55 | Legorol | Iriel: you might have a point |
| 17:23.09 | Legorol | groll: i'm afraid i haven't tried BuffBot much in 1.10 yet, but from what i could see it doesn't work |
| 17:23.14 | Legorol | would need to wait for an author update |
| 17:23.23 | Legorol | i don't have time right now to figure out what's wrong :( |
| 17:23.27 | Legorol | but i have one idea, i will check for that |
| 17:23.29 | groll | argh oke |
| 17:23.33 | krka | sounds awesome to me, now i might add remove lesser curse to my spell spam list |
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| 17:23.50 | Legorol | quick, he's cloned himself! |
| 17:23.55 | Legorol | don't be fooled by the alternate nick |
| 17:24.09 | Miravlix | I hate this patch |
| 17:24.13 | Legorol | lol |
| 17:24.15 | Miravlix | I've lost all my hotkeys |
| 17:24.29 | Miravlix | Action Buttons thats macro related is gone |
| 17:24.41 | AnduinLothar | moo? |
| 17:24.45 | Legorol | you did do a WTF backup before the patch, right? right?? |
| 17:24.48 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 17:25.07 | [MoonWolf] | no, i deleted allof it on purpose |
| 17:25.39 | groll | argh Legorol your attendance macro you made for me doesnt work any more it seems :S |
| 17:25.57 | Miravlix | Legorol: Action Buttons is saved on WDB or on the server |
| 17:26.01 | Miravlix | Definately not in WTF |
| 17:26.08 | groll | could be due to no imperrorframe thingy though so checking |
| 17:26.40 | krka | man this patch is going sloooow |
| 17:28.12 | Kirkburn | Anyoen got any idea what font drop-down lists takes? |
| 17:28.29 | Kirkburn | Because they're annoying me |
| 17:28.44 | Kirkburn | or which part of the UI they are |
| 17:29.47 | krka | hmm.. i knew that once :) |
| 17:30.11 | Iriel | Kirkburn : I can look it up, one moment |
| 17:30.12 | Kirkburn | I need to know :s |
| 17:30.15 | Kirkburn | Thanks :P |
| 17:30.21 | krka | UIDropDownMenu.xml |
| 17:30.23 | krka | maybe? |
| 17:30.36 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 17:31.02 | krka | or UIDropDownMenuTemplates.xml rather |
| 17:31.06 | groll | Legorol heeeeeelp!! i neeed that macro :S |
| 17:31.12 | groll | :P |
| 17:31.14 | AnduinLothar | this whole knowing people in every time zone is bad for my health |
| 17:31.21 | groll | it's like the one macro i have to have :P |
| 17:31.34 | AnduinLothar | compined with a nightshift job i get zero sleep |
| 17:32.00 | Iriel | They use the GameFont*Small fonts, I think |
| 17:32.27 | Kirkburn | So it seems ... but I have them set to 12, and it's coming out much smaller than that as far as I can see |
| 17:33.31 | Kirkburn | It's coming out at like 9 |
| 17:33.58 | Iriel | Well, everything can be scaled, so i'm not sure that statement on its own is valid. |
| 17:34.11 | Iriel | How does your font at size X look compared to the standard font at size X |
| 17:34.17 | Iriel | are they comparably sized? |
| 17:35.56 | Iriel | Well crap, a thread I was typing a response to just disappeared |
| 17:36.01 | Kirkburn | :s |
| 17:36.12 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna make it bold and see if that does anything |
| 17:36.31 | Kirkburn | Oh wait up, it already is |
| 17:36.35 | Kirkburn | But it isn't in game |
| 17:38.06 | Legorol | groll: please paste the macro on wow.pastebin.com |
| 17:38.06 | Kirkburn | Now that's strange |
| 17:38.14 | Legorol | i have totally forgotten what it's about |
| 17:38.18 | Legorol | i will have a look at it later |
| 17:38.25 | groll | ok sec |
| 17:38.41 | Kirkburn | Something is preventing it overriding tooltips |
| 17:38.54 | Kirkburn | dropdowns I mean |
| 17:39.10 | Iriel | Ahh... |
| 17:39.23 | Iriel | It uses STANDARD_TEXT_FONT, and UIDROPDOWNMENU_DEFAULT_TEXT_HEIGHT |
| 17:39.37 | Iriel | and explicitly sets them fairly regularly |
| 17:39.45 | Iriel | so make sure those globals have good values |
| 17:40.54 | Kirkburn | Set UIDROPDOWNMENU_DEFAULT_TEXT_HEIGHT in the lua? |
| 17:41.00 | groll | Legorol done |
| 17:41.06 | groll | or done in as ec |
| 17:41.09 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Yes |
| 17:41.09 | groll | there |
| 17:42.17 | Kirkburn | Iriel: since that's not in the fonts.xml, is it a good idea to look over other framexml files for those? |
| 17:42.33 | Legorol | groll: ok, i see. do you have ImprovedErrorFrame enabled? |
| 17:42.44 | groll | yep |
| 17:42.58 | Iriel | Kirkburn : The UI Dropdown template sets it based on the height of the standard game font |
| 17:43.06 | Iriel | Kirkburn : But it does that BEFORE your code runs |
| 17:43.25 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Just set it in your 'system' function |
| 17:43.28 | Kirkburn | Okay ... will other templates likely do similar things? |
| 17:43.41 | Iriel | Kirkburn : probably not, the dropdowns are somewhat anomalous |
| 17:43.48 | Kirkburn | Time to reload |
| 17:43.58 | Iriel | Kirkburn : But who knows.. Look for calls to :SetFont in the standard UI files if you really acre |
| 17:44.02 | Iriel | s/acre/care/ |
| 17:45.46 | Legorol | groll: ok i don't see anything wrong with it on first sight |
| 17:45.49 | Legorol | what happens when you run it? |
| 17:45.56 | groll | nada :P |
| 17:46.13 | Legorol | ok, can you type this in-game in the chat box: /script message("Hello World!") |
| 17:46.30 | Legorol | verify that you get the IEF message window |
| 17:47.12 | Kirkburn | Iriel: lol, I broke it ... I wrote the font rather than a number :D |
| 17:47.15 | Legorol | Iriel: you played around with big savedvars before |
| 17:47.24 | Legorol | is there a limit on the size of a single variable that can be saved? |
| 17:47.35 | Legorol | specifically, i have an extremely long string variable i'm saving |
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| 17:47.39 | Legorol | (over 2000 lines long) |
| 17:47.53 | Shouryuu|sleep | Ok I'm going crazy now |
| 17:48.01 | Legorol | since i'm receiving a #132 on exit and reloadui, i am suspecting this might be the problem |
| 17:48.54 | groll | Legorol sec |
| 17:48.56 | Kirkburn | Much better, it's the right size now :) Thanks again iriel! |
| 17:49.12 | Shouryuu|mad | I connect my PC directly to my modem, all works fine. But when I try to reconnect to using my router, I get a DNS error with the MSN messenger tool... |
| 17:49.29 | groll | Legorol no i dont get it |
| 17:49.37 | groll | but i get it when an addon gets an error |
| 17:49.46 | Legorol | groll: please check for the flashing icon on the minimap |
| 17:49.48 | Legorol | nothing? |
| 17:49.57 | groll | yep nooothing : |
| 17:50.04 | Legorol | mmmm |
| 17:50.12 | Legorol | sounds like an issue with IEF rather than the macro |
| 17:50.19 | Legorol | in which case i do have to fix it :/ |
| 17:50.28 | groll | hehe |
| 17:50.33 | Iriel | Legorol : Define 'big', I have SV's in excess of 30,000 lines |
| 17:50.53 | Iriel | Legorol : but not in one string |
| 17:51.03 | Iriel | Legorol : Lua does have a limit for string lengths, perhaps you're hitting that |
| 17:51.13 | Iriel | Legorol : There's no reason you HAVE to have a 2000 line string |
| 17:51.53 | Legorol | the reason for it is that it makes my life easier |
| 17:52.01 | Legorol | this way i don't have to parse the saved var, i can just copy/paste |
| 17:52.05 | Shouryuu|mad | eekkkk and I keep getting attacked by a DCOM exploit. Run away, run away! |
| 17:52.05 | Iriel | Legorol : well, how long (bytes) is your string? |
| 17:52.09 | Legorol | i can always break it up into a table, it's just more work |
| 17:52.22 | Iriel | Legorol : svtoxml + xslt is your friend 8-) |
| 17:52.31 | Legorol | approximately 44Kb string :D |
| 17:52.38 | Legorol | svtoxml? |
| 17:52.39 | Shouryuu|mad | ouch |
| 17:52.42 | Iriel | Legorol : Oh, that's not TOO horrible, but it's still excessive |
| 17:52.51 | Legorol | i agree it's excessive... but funny thing is: |
| 17:52.57 | Iriel | Legorol : It's a bit of code I wrote to make an xml representation of saved variables |
| 17:52.59 | Legorol | it does write the string to the file, and *then* crashes |
| 17:53.09 | Legorol | Iriel: GIEF!!!!11!!1!1!oneeone |
| 17:53.27 | Shouryuu|mad | lol |
| 17:53.38 | Iriel | Legorol : Hm, maybe that's not the problem then? 8-) |
| 17:53.39 | Legorol | i don't care about epixx or 1337 loot |
| 17:53.49 | Legorol | Iriel: yah trying to whittle it down now |
| 17:53.56 | Legorol | but i was suspecting the size of the saved var |
| 17:54.32 | Iriel | Legorol : What's the NEXT thing in that table? |
| 17:54.41 | Legorol | it's a list of the in-game globals |
| 17:54.44 | Legorol | last entry is xpcall |
| 17:54.49 | Legorol | the string is properly terminated with closing " |
| 17:55.11 | Iriel | Legorol : Slouken did fix some long string bugs, so who knows, maybe he broke something else. |
| 17:55.39 | Shouryuu|mad | ok I need help. I got attacked by a DCOM exploit thrice. I don't want to download a random .exe on internet that suposedly removes whatever is busting my nuts. Where can I find some safe help? |
| 17:55.50 | krka | linux? |
| 17:56.03 | Shouryuu|mad | I'm tempted to say smartass, but won't |
| 17:56.14 | krka | well, i'd deserve it :P |
| 17:56.19 | Shouryuu|mad | hehe |
| 17:56.42 | Legorol | Iriel, it looks like it definitely is the size somehow |
| 17:56.57 | Legorol | i have this loop to fill the variable: |
| 17:56.58 | Legorol | for i, name in ipairs(PostBlizzGlobalFunctionsList) do |
| 17:56.58 | Legorol | EnumerateGlobals_Output = EnumerateGlobals_Output..name.."\n"; |
| 17:56.58 | Legorol | end |
| 17:57.11 | Legorol | EnumerateGlobals_Output is my saved variable |
| 17:57.17 | krka | maybe the memory gets full |
| 17:57.26 | krka | from all those variables |
| 17:57.27 | Iriel | My god lego |
| 17:57.29 | Legorol | if i comment that section out and replace it with EnumerateGlobals_Output="hello world", it works fine |
| 17:57.30 | Iriel | Use table.concat |
| 17:57.32 | Legorol | Iriel: hehe |
| 17:57.41 | Iriel | You're generating a crapload of garbage there |
| 17:57.45 | Legorol | yes i know |
| 17:57.49 | krka | how does table.concat avoid garbage? |
| 17:57.50 | Legorol | but it's fine, this is just for a test login session |
| 17:57.52 | Iriel | Not that it's likely your problem. |
| 17:58.02 | Iriel | Well, in THEORY table.concat allocates ONE string when it's done |
| 17:58.10 | Iriel | Not 20,000 incremental ones |
| 17:58.11 | krka | so it's a builtin? |
| 17:58.18 | Legorol | the weird thing is, that the string does go to the sv file properly |
| 17:58.25 | Legorol | it is even closed with a " |
| 17:58.25 | Iriel | I hope so, it's part of the standard lua library |
| 17:58.29 | Legorol | but then wow crashes |
| 17:58.53 | Legorol | i guess i'll just have to do a proper job .. |
| 17:59.12 | Iriel | It could be a buffer overrun type issue, worth trying to make a simple addon that creates one long string of arbitraty length and saves it |
| 17:59.12 | Legorol | i was hoping i'll get away with this quick hax |
| 18:01.27 | krka | damn it, got buggy addon now |
| 18:02.12 | krka | the fix is just to SetOwner? |
| 18:02.15 | krka | for tooltip |
| 18:02.24 | krka | i can do it once, and it doesn't matter how? |
| 18:02.50 | Legorol | krka: it almost doesn't matter |
| 18:02.59 | Legorol | you should avoid doing it from OnLoad, if the tooltip has a parent |
| 18:03.16 | krka | ah, that's what i'm doing |
| 18:03.20 | Legorol | the safest bet is to do it each time you are about to call SetXxxx on it |
| 18:03.27 | krka | hmm... i guess :/ |
| 18:03.37 | krka | seems like unnecessary work but still |
| 18:03.40 | Legorol | the next safest bet is to do it OnEvent after registerevent:vars_loaded |
| 18:03.49 | Legorol | the least safest bet is to do it in OnLoad |
| 18:04.01 | Legorol | krka: does your tooltip have a parent defined in the XML? |
| 18:04.08 | Legorol | i.e. parent="blahblah" attrib |
| 18:04.13 | Shouryuu|mad | AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 18:04.22 | Legorol | if so, you can remove that, and it shoudl still work |
| 18:04.22 | krka | is there a GetOwner? |
| 18:04.26 | Legorol | nope |
| 18:04.38 | Legorol | if you remove the parent="" attrib for the tooltip, you can SetOwner OnLoad |
| 18:04.44 | Iriel | Why would an explicit parent work LESS well than an implicit one? |
| 18:04.46 | Legorol | it doesn't work if there is a parent |
| 18:04.52 | krka | thanks! |
| 18:04.52 | Legorol | Iriel: there is no implicit parent |
| 18:04.59 | Legorol | if you don't specify parent attrib, it does not have a parent |
| 18:05.29 | Legorol | for some strange reason the mere act of specifying a parent makes SetOwner not work in OnLoad |
| 18:05.45 | Legorol | it's irrespective of whether the parent is shown or hidden at the time of the OnLoad |
| 18:05.46 | Iriel | Legorol : Oh, you mean top-level windows, sorry |
| 18:05.57 | krka | thanks lego! you rule |
| 18:05.59 | Iriel | Legorol : Top-level in the XML sense, not the topLevel=true sense, that is |
| 18:06.02 | krka | that simple fix did it |
| 18:06.06 | Legorol | Iriel: yep |
| 18:06.15 | Legorol | krka: cool |
| 18:06.25 | Iriel | Legorol : Is that true for all parents, or just UIParent and its descendants? |
| 18:06.31 | Legorol | any parent whatsoever |
| 18:06.37 | Iriel | So you tried WorldFrame? |
| 18:06.45 | Legorol | i have even tried with a dummy <Frame name="SomeRandomFrame" hidden="false"/> |
| 18:06.49 | Legorol | and set that as the parent |
| 18:06.50 | Legorol | nada |
| 18:06.56 | Legorol | i haven't explicitly tried WorldFrame |
| 18:07.14 | Iriel | Then what did you try that wasn't a descendant of UIparent? |
| 18:07.23 | Legorol | that example i just gave you |
| 18:07.25 | Legorol | SomeRandomFrame |
| 18:07.31 | Legorol | it's a top-level frame with no parent |
| 18:07.36 | krka | <OnLoad>this:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE")</OnLoad> |
| 18:07.39 | krka | is that good enough? |
| 18:07.42 | krka | for my tooltip |
| 18:07.44 | Legorol | krka: yep |
| 18:07.51 | Legorol | but it's not entirely safe |
| 18:08.01 | Legorol | if Blizzard decides to change behaviour again in a future patch |
| 18:08.08 | Legorol | but you can worry about that then |
| 18:08.59 | Legorol | btw Iriel, i have tried table.concat instead of my loop |
| 18:09.07 | Legorol | still crashes on exit, after having saved the variable properly |
| 18:09.12 | Legorol | *sigh* |
| 18:09.22 | Iriel | I didn't think table.concat would fix the problem |
| 18:09.29 | Iriel | it was just the 'right thing to do' 8-) |
| 18:09.34 | Legorol | yah |
| 18:09.48 | Legorol | damn, now i have to save it in a table and parse the sv.lua |
| 18:11.33 | Iriel | if it's just a list of globals, yo ucould parse it with ANYTHING |
| 18:11.38 | Legorol | I'll make an addon at some point to reproduce it with increasing length string and mail it to slouken |
| 18:11.54 | Legorol | Iriel: i don't have anything :/ |
| 18:12.02 | Legorol | until now i just had a simple list in a text file |
| 18:12.14 | Legorol | i used to just copy/paste the list out of WoW into a text file |
| 18:12.21 | Legorol | now i decided to output it into sv.lua instead |
| 18:12.32 | Iriel | Legorol ; Why not install lua locally, and write a converter that way |
| 18:12.40 | Legorol | well i do have that |
| 18:12.42 | Legorol | but that means work :-) |
| 18:12.47 | Iriel | "work" |
| 18:13.03 | Legorol | means having to look up how to do file i/o in Lua :/ |
| 18:13.06 | Iriel | you execute the sv.xml file and then do io.write(table.concat(SavedVariableName,"\n")); |
| 18:13.09 | Legorol | look, i was taking the lazy approach |
| 18:13.17 | Legorol | if it had worked, that would've been the end of storey :-) |
| 18:13.19 | Tain | ~laziness |
| 18:13.20 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 18:13.20 | Legorol | *story |
| 18:13.39 | Legorol | Iriel: oh that's a good point |
| 18:13.43 | Legorol | i don't have to parse, i can just execute it! |
| 18:13.46 | Legorol | that saves work :-) |
| 18:14.26 | Iriel | You could likely fit the command on one line |
| 18:15.38 | krka | is UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT reliable btw? does it always trigger upon enter / exit a unit? |
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| 18:16.37 | Iriel | Well, once per frame, yes |
| 18:16.47 | Iriel | It updates as often as the mouseover tooltip |
| 18:16.59 | Iriel | ArcadiaLogos relies on it |
| 18:17.23 | krka | more than once a frame isn't necessary :) |
| 18:17.36 | krka | also, how does the weather thing work? |
| 18:17.41 | krka | is it random? |
| 18:17.51 | krka | currently there seems to be the same as before in Tirisfal |
| 18:18.12 | Iriel | The weather happens randomly |
| 18:18.14 | Iriel | and infrequently |
| 18:18.19 | Iriel | (as it should, so it doesn't get boring) |
| 18:18.30 | Iriel | I believe each zone only has one 'flavor' of weather tho |
| 18:18.35 | Iriel | so you dont get sandstorms in booty bay |
| 18:18.39 | Iriel | or snow in elwynn forest |
| 18:20.31 | krka | makes sense |
| 18:20.36 | krka | i was just wanting to see it :/ |
| 18:21.27 | krka | i am considering standing around in dun morogh for a while, just to see some snow |
| 18:22.28 | Iriel | I've tried that with little success |
| 18:23.15 | krka | should make an addon with the sole purpose of reporting when weather effects take place |
| 18:23.21 | krka | and force everyone to use it |
| 18:23.27 | Iriel | How would you know? |
| 18:23.30 | Iriel | there's no API call for it |
| 18:23.48 | Iriel | Or would it just have a "weather is happening" button? |
| 18:23.49 | ckknight | that is true |
| 18:24.02 | ckknight | I would like a weatherman thing, though |
| 18:24.04 | ckknight | just for kicks |
| 18:24.15 | Kirkburn | And off trundles another ClearFont into the sunset |
| 18:25.12 | Elkano | ckknight, bug with 0.9.3.2's "Tooltip hint now properly wraps to the next line." -> if you've got double lined tooltips (left and right text), hint will be wrapped left size |
| 18:25.13 | [MoonWolf] | :P |
| 18:25.27 | groll | btw the new one looks nice on 800x600 aswell Kirkburn :D |
| 18:25.50 | krka | well, it would have to be done manually |
| 18:25.50 | krka | it's ready Kirkburn? |
| 18:25.52 | Elkano | and btw: the tutorial really needs some cleanup ^^ |
| 18:26.20 | Kirkburn | It's on worldofwar now |
| 18:26.23 | krka | cool |
| 18:26.36 | Kirkburn | You must must delete the previous version though |
| 18:27.05 | krka | np :) |
| 18:27.24 | Kirkburn | Hopefully I won't have to much such large changes in future, but .. we'll see |
| 18:36.11 | Kirkburn | Looks like I won't be doing CG for a while |
| 18:37.44 | Kirkburn | Telo's SelfCast still works doesn't it? |
| 18:38.17 | Cairenn | Telo has already updated |
| 18:38.28 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=344637&p=1&tmp=1#post344637 |
| 18:39.14 | Kirkburn | Yeah thought as much ... christ people panic for no reason :s |
| 18:39.21 | Cairenn | I know |
| 18:39.36 | Cide | I know the feeling |
| 18:39.37 | Kirkburn | Why do they have to panic is public though? It just spreads rumours :( |
| 18:39.43 | Kirkburn | *in public |
| 18:40.22 | Kirkburn | It's nice looking from the outside in :P |
| 18:40.32 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure Cair would agree ... |
| 18:40.58 | Kirkburn | Or in fact Cide ... hell, why am I happy I spent 8 hours on it?? |
| 18:43.18 | Adrine | Public announcement: |
| 18:43.22 | Adrine | Inkscape is really cool. |
| 18:43.24 | Adrine | That is all. |
| 18:46.00 | Legorol | interesting, the Interface AddOn Kit doesn't extract Interface\Docs.html any more |
| 18:46.40 | Iriel | I suspect the tutorial is intended to be a replacement |
| 18:48.29 | Kirkburn | Where's our ninja CM gone though? :( |
| 18:48.58 | Iriel | She's a dev, not a CM |
| 18:49.07 | Iriel | and i suspect she just doesn't love us as much as slouken does |
| 18:50.48 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 18:51.17 | Kirkburn | Hmm it may appear they've swapped some zones again for DE clients |
| 18:52.09 | Kirkburn | Someone's report on Gatherer (german version) "for example all my Mines and Flowers from burning steppes are now in searing gorge." |
| 18:53.10 | Iriel | Go go EU localization team! |
| 18:56.37 | Elkano | he needs to update his gatherer data from de1.9.0 to de1.10.1 |
| 18:56.52 | Elkano | s/de1.10.1/de1.10.0/ |
| 18:57.13 | Elkano | they changed some regions names resulting in changed ids |
| 18:57.34 | Iriel | Oh, Gatherer doesn't store by name? |
| 18:57.51 | Elkano | nope, it's id based |
| 18:58.49 | Elkano | so as an advice to German Gatherer users: don't gather anything before the translation from de1.9.0 to de1.10.0 is done ^^' |
| 19:02.10 | Kirkburn | Maybe it's actually all the right way round now, same as the EN clients |
| 19:19.38 | krka | is there any page right now that lists the changes the addon coder must do after each patch? |
| 19:19.53 | krka | like for this one: fix tooltips, remove hookings of movement and spellstop |
| 19:21.10 | Iriel | The 2nd post in the 1.10 changes thread is the closest I know of |
| 19:21.56 | ckknight | anyone know what event triggers the chat message "%s suffers %d %s damage from your %s"? e.g. "Guy suffers 5 Shadow damage from your Corruption" |
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| 19:23.51 | Elkano | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_C_%28Cancel%2C_Character%2C_Chat%2C_Cinematic%2C_Clear%2C_Close%2C_Confirm%2C_Corpse%2C_Craft%2C_Current%2C_Cursor%2C_CVar%29#CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_CREATURE_DAMAGE |
| 19:26.09 | Iriel | I have GOT to fix those event pages one of these days |
| 19:26.27 | Iriel | I just had a neat idea for an addon (or at the very least, DevTools enhancement) |
| 19:26.52 | Elkano | what's broken with them |
| 19:27.53 | Iriel | The names |
| 19:28.02 | Iriel | it should be Events_C or something like that |
| 19:28.09 | Iriel | Putting event names or types into the page name is silly |
| 19:28.34 | Iriel | Then maybe we can categorize them by type |
| 19:28.53 | JoshBorke | what's the neat idea? |
| 19:29.19 | Iriel | Using a couple of hooks to put a link at the start or end of all the messages in the chat frames |
| 19:29.36 | Iriel | when you click on the link (which would just look like [E] or something) it opens a tooltip with the event details |
| 19:30.01 | Iriel | I frequently think 'what event is X' but all of the solutions to date are too invasive for me to leave running |
| 19:34.26 | JoshBorke | what sort of details? |
| 19:34.35 | Iriel | event name, and args |
| 19:41.29 | kraymontieuh | |cffffffff|Hevent:CHAT_MSG_GUILD|h[CHAT_MSG_GUILD]|h|r ^____________^ |
| 19:42.15 | kraymontieuh | i have no idea how that pertains, but my room is an oven and it's frying my brain |
| 19:42.24 | krka | damn retard rogue in group |
| 19:42.30 | Iriel | yes, but instead of encoding all the junk in the link, i'd probably store an ID to a data structure somewhere |
| 19:42.34 | Iriel | keep the last 1000 or whatever |
| 19:42.36 | krka | ran ahead and killed grimlok in ulda so i didnt' get my quest item :(/ |
| 19:42.55 | kraymontieuh | ouch krka =/ |
| 19:43.01 | Cairenn | rofl, I always laugh when I see grimlok |
| 19:43.15 | Cairenn | LOVE killing him |
| 19:43.34 | kraymontieuh | i like killing all troggs/murlocs/those things in razorfen. they all make such funny noises :D |
| 19:43.59 | krka | gah, so annoyed |
| 19:44.07 | Cairenn | (was guilded with him back in EQ, that's who WoW's grimlok is named after) |
| 19:44.27 | kraymontieuh | O_O |
| 19:45.14 | Cairenn | there are a bunch of names in Blizz that were friends' characters back in EQ, I *love* killing them ;) |
| 19:45.25 | kraymontieuh | that sounds cruel ._. |
| 19:45.45 | Cairenn | nuh uh! I got them dead back in EQ lots of times too ;) |
| 19:46.15 | kraymontieuh | maybe they are playing the AI =O |
| 19:46.20 | kraymontieuh | dun dun dun |
| 19:46.33 | Tain | I almost got my char name changed on me in EQ because they introduced an NPC with the same name in their seventh or twelvth or whatever expansion. |
| 19:46.47 | kraymontieuh | ... |
| 19:46.49 | kraymontieuh | lol |
| 19:47.02 | kraymontieuh | i didn't know eq had so many expansions, huh |
| 19:48.19 | Kirkburn | Wouldn't surprise me |
| 19:48.28 | Kirkburn | Look a new zone! Expansion! |
| 19:48.43 | Kirkburn | Cripes, where on earth did that come from? |
| 19:48.54 | Kirkburn | I dunno, I just never looked east before |
| 19:56.14 | Cide | hmm |
| 19:57.00 | Cide | I'll ask in here since I'm too lazy to research! |
| 19:58.15 | Cide | what's the easiest way to change all fonts to be slightly bigger in 1.10 (for a friend with bad vision)? all the fonts definitions in fonts.xml are virtual so I'm guessing I can't modify those from an addon like I could by editing the framexml file in 1.9 |
| 20:06.14 | ComicSansMS | you can iterate through all fontstrings using the code iriel posted in the 1.10-changes-thread |
| 20:08.01 | ComicSansMS | then you can easily resize them using the FontString:GetFont()/SetFont methods |
| 20:08.22 | Cide | was hoping there would be a simpler way. thanks :) |
| 20:09.26 | Kirkburn|WoW | Cide, I would just say use ClearFont |
| 20:09.37 | Kirkburn|WoW | There's not really a simpler way than that :P |
| 20:09.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu|mad (n=Shouryuu@97.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 20:09.46 | Kirkburn|WoW | Plus ... it actually works now! =) |
| 20:10.14 | Shouryuu|mad | I hate internet |
| 20:10.19 | Kirkburn|WoW | Cide, I've had several people in the same situation say ClearFont helped them (legally blind people, even) |
| 20:10.22 | Shouryuu|mad | hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it |
| 20:11.06 | Shouryuu|mad | My router hasn't been working for the past 2hours. I've been trying to have it work like a god damn mad man and just kept on failing. |
| 20:11.06 | Kirkburn|WoW | I feel like I'm continually having the same conversation here |
| 20:11.16 | Cide | he said he tried it and didn't get it to work (today) - when did you update it? |
| 20:11.25 | Kirkburn|WoW | About 20 mins ago |
| 20:11.34 | Shouryuu|mad | My brother comes in, takes his computer, plugs it in via LAN to the router and voila it worked |
| 20:11.52 | Kirkburn|WoW | Console Shouryuu, explain fonts, laugh at people complaining about mods |
| 20:12.01 | Kirkburn|WoW | God that's annoying |
| 20:12.07 | Shouryuu|mad | lol |
| 20:12.38 | Cide | does it change the font itself, Kirkburn|WoW? |
| 20:12.38 | Kirkburn|WoW | Obviously u managed to not break it at least :P |
| 20:13.01 | ComicSansMS | this strange sense of déjà vu ;) |
| 20:13.05 | Kirkburn|WoW | It does ... I don't think the WoW font is really readable at any res. |
| 20:13.39 | Kirkburn|WoW | Or size. |
| 20:14.06 | Kirkburn|WoW | You can change the links back of course |
| 20:14.26 | Kirkburn|WoW | But, er, it might take a while |
| 20:14.46 | Shouryuu|mad | I hate mankind as well |
| 20:15.24 | Shouryuu|mad | I don't think there a goddamn thing I like about anything right now |
| 20:15.39 | Cide | well, he wants the font but not the size :P |
| 20:16.12 | Cide | and I've lost iriel's post |
| 20:20.55 | JoshBorke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=286547&p=1&tmp=1#post286547 |
| 20:20.58 | JoshBorke | towards the bottom |
| 20:23.31 | Shouryuu|mad | I think I'm going to have a nervous breakdown very soon |
| 20:24.06 | ckknight | ... |
| 20:24.07 | ckknight | why? |
| 20:24.21 | Shouryuu|mad | long story |
| 20:24.25 | Shouryuu|mad | but I'm angry |
| 20:25.05 | Shouryuu|mad | angry as in "I wanted to put a bullet in the head of every panda that wouldn't screw to save it's species" angry |
| 20:26.02 | Kirkburn|WoW | worrying |
| 20:26.11 | Shouryuu|mad | or the "I wanted to breath smoke" or " I wanted to destroy something beautiful" angry |
| 20:26.34 | ckknight | Fight Club's a good movie |
| 20:26.44 | Shouryuu|mad | I know |
| 20:26.44 | krka | man... summoning the princess is HARD |
| 20:26.51 | krka | 50 mage, 48 mage, 46 priest |
| 20:27.01 | Tain | I'm sorry krka but our Princess is in another castle. |
| 20:27.13 | Kirkburn|WoW | Well, yes, if you're a n00b! :D |
| 20:27.22 | ckknight | she is in another house go away |
| 20:27.23 | Kirkburn|WoW | fnah fnah fnah |
| 20:27.29 | ckknight | what in the hell she is doing |
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| 20:27.38 | Kirkburn|WoW | hehe |
| 20:28.05 | Kirkburn|WoW | Sod's Law: The princess is always in the 8th place you look |
| 20:30.00 | Tain | Poor kids. Steve Ballmer (MS CEO) said in an interview that he doesn't allow his kids to use Google or have an iPod. |
| 20:30.07 | Shouryuu|mad | And to think that I have to write a paper on "Does the State reduce one's freedom" for monday, with mock interviews on saturday morning starting 7:30 just makes me go crrrraazzzyyy |
| 20:30.18 | Shouryuu|mad | lol |
| 20:30.54 | krka | damn it, died before she did and now i cant loot |
| 20:31.20 | Shouryuu|mad | if you had aggro when you died you should |
| 20:31.27 | Tain | Mock interviews? You can turn on CNN and have plenty of real interviews with people talking about the Patriot Act, or illegal wiretaps, or ISP records seizing or... |
| 20:32.12 | [MoonWolf] | tain, he gives them a a creative or another brand mp3 player then, no big problem there |
| 20:32.21 | Shouryuu|mad | Mock interviews, interviews as in school interviews for me |
| 20:32.28 | Kirkburn|WoW | I like Creative |
| 20:32.47 | Kirkburn|WoW | Cosmos, however, is preventing me targetting anyone :) |
| 20:32.50 | Shouryuu|mad | Isn't Creative Singaporean? |
| 20:33.21 | Kirkburn|WoW | No idea. My girlfriend used to live there though |
| 20:33.29 | [MoonWolf] | dont know dont care, my creative zen 30 gb is pretty nice though |
| 20:33.34 | Shouryuu|mad | I lived there 15 years |
| 20:33.50 | Shouryuu|mad | until I moved my ass to this fucking place |
| 20:34.35 | Tain | There's plenty of other brands of MP3 players. But after using an iPod I'm sold. They're flat out, "better." |
| 20:35.04 | Shouryuu|mad | I do agree |
| 20:35.22 | Shouryuu|mad | the only MP3 I've seen which isn't a cheap/good copy of IPod is the new sony |
| 20:35.24 | [MoonWolf] | please explain, what is better about them... |
| 20:35.42 | Kirkburn|WoW | The Zen is rather nifty |
| 20:35.49 | Shouryuu|mad | It's a copy |
| 20:35.51 | Kirkburn|WoW | I'm getting a Zen Vision:M |
| 20:35.52 | Shouryuu|mad | Not saying it's bad |
| 20:35.57 | Kirkburn|WoW | A copy? |
| 20:36.08 | Kirkburn|WoW | Not really |
| 20:36.10 | Shouryuu|mad | it's a rectabgular, touch pad MP3 player |
| 20:36.17 | Shouryuu|mad | not a copy |
| 20:36.28 | Shouryuu|mad | as in the same, but they didn't invent anything with Zen |
| 20:36.35 | [MoonWolf] | agreed, it is more or less inspired on the ipod. |
| 20:36.46 | Kirkburn|WoW | Okay ... but it's better in most ways |
| 20:36.57 | Kirkburn|WoW | It just is missing the fact it's not an iPod |
| 20:36.58 | [MoonWolf] | but why is the ipod better, i'm not saying its better then the ipod, but why is the ipod better. |
| 20:37.05 | Shouryuu|mad | They didn't try anything new, anything daring, any special, they just took an ipod's basic design and voila |
| 20:37.25 | Kirkburn|WoW | Fm radio, better screen, support for actual used formats |
| 20:37.26 | Tain | At least one thing that is better is an opinion, the entire iPod interface. So better is a subjective term there. |
| 20:37.26 | Shouryuu|mad | I'm saying IPod's better because it was original. |
| 20:37.40 | Shouryuu|mad | They play the songs the same way, then it's just who prefers what |
| 20:37.48 | [MoonWolf] | im saying craetive is original because they had the first portable mp3 hd players.... |
| 20:37.49 | Kirkburn|WoW | It has better sound quality |
| 20:37.50 | Kirkburn|WoW | :) |
| 20:38.00 | Kirkburn|WoW | I've still got my Jukebox3 |
| 20:38.00 | Shouryuu|mad | That's debatable I guess |
| 20:38.02 | [MoonWolf] | the nomad. |
| 20:38.05 | Shouryuu|mad | aye |
| 20:38.13 | Tain | They don't all play songs the same, that's for sure. You can hear differences in sound quality. |
| 20:38.20 | Tain | Between different players, not those two specifically. |
| 20:38.27 | Kirkburn|WoW | yup |
| 20:38.32 | Shouryuu|mad | I mean, you press play, they play |
| 20:38.47 | Shouryuu|mad | One's a bit cheaper than the other |
| 20:38.48 | [MoonWolf] | i guess the zen i lacking in one way |
| 20:38.52 | Kirkburn|WoW | Creative are always bound to have the sound quality, but the others are getting closer |
| 20:38.53 | [MoonWolf] | no linux for it. |
| 20:39.04 | Shouryuu|mad | Kirkburn|WoW aye |
| 20:39.05 | Tain | Now iPod doesn't support some formats. APE, FLAC, OGG |
| 20:39.15 | Kirkburn|WoW | WMA? |
| 20:39.27 | Tain | Oh people use WMA, I always forget about that one. |
| 20:39.30 | Shouryuu|mad | and Ipod are still leading the "trend" |
| 20:39.38 | [MoonWolf] | true enough |
| 20:39.39 | Kirkburn|WoW | WMAs not a bad format |
| 20:39.50 | Tain | Since WMA is not on my list of formats I use I ignore it. |
| 20:39.54 | Kirkburn|WoW | :) |
| 20:40.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 20:40.07 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 20:40.09 | Tain | I won't argue the merits of it, I just don't use it. |
| 20:40.10 | Kirkburn|WoW | I think it had bad press cos of DRM, even though you can turn it off completely |
| 20:40.18 | [MoonWolf] | ogg and mp3 is 90% of my music. |
| 20:40.25 | Kirkburn|WoW | Haven't heard of APE and FLAC |
| 20:40.34 | [MoonWolf] | flac is a lossless audiocodec |
| 20:40.39 | [MoonWolf] | no idea about aPE |
| 20:41.03 | Kirkburn|WoW | Means bee in italian |
| 20:41.07 | Beladona | wowi needs more speed |
| 20:41.10 | Beladona | =( |
| 20:41.15 | Shouryuu|mad | or ape in english |
| 20:41.23 | Kirkburn|WoW | :P |
| 20:41.27 | Tain | FLAC gets used a lot in certain circles, it's high quality, and less comression. So the files are huge compared to MP3. |
| 20:41.39 | [MoonWolf] | audiophiles mostly |
| 20:41.44 | Kirkburn|WoW | Compared to the others Beladona (god that name confuses me, living in italy), it's pretty quick |
| 20:42.03 | Tain | APE is http://www.monkeysaudio.com/, a free lossless compressor. |
| 20:42.11 | Kirkburn|WoW | Where should I be putting the emphasis? The a, or the o? |
| 20:42.21 | [MoonWolf] | a i think. |
| 20:42.33 | Kirkburn|WoW | short a or long a? |
| 20:42.58 | Beladona | medium rare |
| 20:43.00 | Kirkburn|WoW | Because I can only think Bella Donna |
| 20:43.19 | Kirkburn|WoW | Bah, Bella Donna it is |
| 20:43.42 | Beladona | oh to pronounce my name? |
| 20:44.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Dhraga (n=dhragasm@217-211-178-71-o871.telia.com) |
| 20:44.03 | [MoonWolf] | Beladona makes me thing of poisionus plants. |
| 20:44.23 | Beladona | I used it for several reasons |
| 20:44.35 | Beladona | because it could be thought of as beatiful, or poisonous |
| 20:44.39 | Beladona | and my character was both |
| 20:44.45 | Dhraga | Evening devs, is it ok for a user to ask a UI question ? |
| 20:44.51 | Beladona | never! |
| 20:45.03 | Beladona | what do you think this is? oh wait, ok go ahead |
| 20:45.08 | Cairenn | Dhraga: you can ask, you may or may not get answered ;) |
| 20:45.09 | Dhraga | =) lol |
| 20:45.16 | Dhraga | Okies.. will type |
| 20:45.25 | Beladona | please, cause we can't hear you |
| 20:45.39 | Cide | I have quite good hearing |
| 20:45.41 | Cide | if you scream.. maybe |
| 20:45.50 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:45.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=malreth@cpe-72-177-88-84.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 20:45.56 | [MoonWolf] | lalaala what do you mean selective hearing. |
| 20:46.04 | malreth | wooo! I'm on FIRE! |
| 20:46.13 | Beladona | I have been spending a lot of time on TS lately. You would be surprised the people who use their "push to talk" button while talking on the phone |
| 20:46.13 | malreth | cuz people keep flaming me! |
| 20:46.16 | Shouryuu|mad | oh noez |
| 20:46.19 | Shouryuu|mad | fantastic four |
| 20:46.22 | Beladona | its hilarious |
| 20:46.23 | Cairenn | you'll have to forgive us Dhraga, we're all trying to bleed off a little bit of stress in here, whith the insanity of the patch week and all |
| 20:46.38 | malreth | Cairenn: I'll be your punching bag |
| 20:46.46 | malreth | i've been getting the flames all day, i can take it |
| 20:46.46 | Tain | Oh yes patch week, that makes a good excuse. Thanks Cairenn ! |
| 20:46.49 | malreth | go ahead... |
| 20:46.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:46.55 | JoshBorke | hello beladona |
| 20:46.56 | malreth | do your worst, if you can even manage it |
| 20:47.00 | malreth | sissy |
| 20:47.17 | [MoonWolf] | must be a long question. |
| 20:47.22 | Cairenn | and Beladona, hey, good to see you, been missing you around these parts |
| 20:47.26 | Dhraga | hehe np =).. Anyone know whats changed in CT_BarMod that makes the addons like ABInfo & SpellMats can't display any information on the bars, WhisperCast dont detect spells on the bars. |
| 20:47.35 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: either that or we scare .... I guess not |
| 20:47.40 | Cide | Beladona: when I'm sitting beside a person I'm usually using ventrilo/TS to talk to, I hold down shift (assuming I'm sitting in front of the computer) |
| 20:47.57 | Beladona | gotta love force of habit |
| 20:47.57 | Cide | um, ct_barmod didn't change, at all |
| 20:47.59 | Kirkburn|WoW | Oooh, and I quote from a ClearFont bug report "but I still have no text for Gypsy on my buff bar." |
| 20:48.04 | [MoonWolf] | have not looked at ct code the last 3 patches, not my place to comment on that. |
| 20:48.05 | Dhraga | Ok cide |
| 20:48.20 | Kirkburn|WoW | Sounds like these issues are all identical |
| 20:48.22 | Cide | that "could" be the issue though |
| 20:48.22 | Cairenn | but given that Cide is here .... |
| 20:48.55 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: *snicker* |
| 20:49.04 | Dhraga | =) |
| 20:49.09 | Tem | what's the range of valid action numbers? is it 1-120? |
| 20:49.13 | [MoonWolf] | http://ripintshout.ytmnd.com/ |
| 20:49.27 | [MoonWolf] | could be 0 119 |
| 20:49.38 | malreth | it's 1-120 |
| 20:49.39 | Tem | no, I'm certain the first one is 1 |
| 20:49.45 | Tem | k, thanks malreth |
| 20:49.57 | malreth | you're welcome... sissy |
| 20:50.16 | Tem | ~whaleslap malreth |
| 20:50.17 | purl | ACTION beats malreth upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:50.23 | Kirkburn|WoW | hey I taped your mouth shut! |
| 20:50.25 | Cairenn | malreth: *bonk* |
| 20:50.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine|Lab (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu) |
| 20:50.29 | malreth | i am full sore wounded! |
| 20:50.33 | [MoonWolf] | ~whaleblock malreth |
| 20:50.35 | purl | ACTION shields malreth with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 20:50.44 | malreth | oh! and again! |
| 20:50.56 | Dhraga | So all the barmods have the same problem (or rather the mods that try to display values on the bars) Have anyone found out anything about this yet ? |
| 20:51.39 | Beladona | wecome back |
| 20:51.45 | Beladona | welcome as well |
| 20:51.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (i=neffa@203.184.58.251) |
| 20:51.55 | Tain | What's the issue? |
| 20:52.01 | Cairenn | hey Iriel :) |
| 20:52.15 | Dhraga | Tain was that directed to me ? |
| 20:53.15 | Kirkburn|WoW | Two reports "Anyone know whats changed in CT_BarMod that makes the addons like ABInfo & SpellMats can't display any information on the bars, WhisperCast dont detect spells on the bars.", and mine from ClearFont "but I still have no text for Gypsy on my buff bar." |
| 20:53.20 | Tain | I think so. What doesn't display on bar mods? |
| 20:53.29 | Ktron | THE NEW ALLIANCE RACE IS |
| 20:53.31 | Kirkburn|WoW | Chocobos? |
| 20:53.43 | Tain | Were-zheva? |
| 20:54.04 | Kirkburn|WoW | Nick-nack paddywacks? |
| 20:54.05 | Iriel | I like how you think Tain |
| 20:54.15 | Tain | Ooh I bet that's why someone said CooldownCount wasn't working with VisorActionButtons. |
| 20:54.27 | [MoonWolf] | tentacle rape monsters and inocent schoolgirls. |
| 20:54.45 | malreth | [MoonWolf]: giggidy |
| 20:54.48 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: ??? >< |
| 20:54.50 | Ktron | Felorc Owlbat Gryphonmonkeys |
| 20:54.56 | Gryphen | :o |
| 20:54.57 | Kirkburn|WoW | Ktron wins! |
| 20:55.17 | Ktron | But Tain was closest |
| 20:55.23 | Ktron | and I knew the answer |
| 20:55.28 | Ktron | hands the a off to Tain |
| 20:55.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:55.43 | Iriel | Well, I picked up a G15 today, we'll see how much I like typing on it, and how much linux likes it |
| 20:55.50 | Kirkburn|WoW | Hey, you can't palm off prizes :( |
| 20:56.03 | Ktron | I used the back of my hands |
| 20:56.13 | Kirkburn|WoW | Ah, that's okay then |
| 20:56.18 | Kirkburn|WoW | Tain, enjoy your |
| 20:56.21 | malreth | the damn best buy here never has one in stock.. i want one too |
| 20:56.48 | Iriel | My best buy had 2 in stock, though only one in the right place |
| 20:56.55 | Iriel | the other was on a random shelf 20 feet away |
| 20:56.56 | Ktron | ah ha! heh |
| 20:57.16 | Iriel | It's very, err, flat |
| 20:57.18 | Kirkburn|WoW | God, you're a bloody trademark |
| 20:57.29 | Ktron | yeah, apparently |
| 20:57.33 | malreth | the Austin, TX store has zero in stock... been that way for months... The El Paso, TX store has 9 in stock. |
| 20:57.37 | Ktron | I knew about ktron.com and ktronusa.com |
| 20:57.58 | malreth | i looked at the manager there and said, "why doesn't el paso share?" |
| 20:57.59 | Kirkburn|WoW | So ... what's amazon.com? |
| 20:58.03 | malreth | he shruged at me |
| 20:58.07 | Kirkburn|WoW | He's hungry? |
| 20:58.26 | malreth | well, i'm gonna have to order one online... but i'm lazy |
| 20:58.27 | Kirkburn|WoW | Selfish? Shellfish? Were-ghoti? |
| 20:58.35 | Ktron | I go by ik7 most of the time out on the internet though, my website is down at the moment htough so only my deviantart page comes up |
| 20:58.39 | malreth | I have to open up a browser, type in that address... |
| 20:58.47 | malreth | put in my credit card number... |
| 20:58.50 | malreth | bah, too much work |
| 20:59.03 | [MoonWolf] | quick qeustion, what actually is the new UI number ? |
| 20:59.05 | malreth | i'll just ask for one from my GF for my birthday |
| 20:59.07 | Kirkburn|WoW | Where's Dhraga gone :( |
| 20:59.09 | Tain | It's number... five |
| 20:59.25 | Tain | Johnny-5 is alive! |
| 20:59.28 | Kirkburn|WoW | We must concentrate on his lack of text! |
| 20:59.29 | malreth | [MoonWolf]: guess. we'll tell you if you're close |
| 20:59.40 | Tain | Getting warmer |
| 20:59.49 | Kirkburn|WoW | No, no that WRONG! WRONG! |
| 20:59.51 | [MoonWolf] | 1 ? am i geting there ? |
| 20:59.54 | malreth | higher |
| 21:00.00 | [MoonWolf] | 2 ? |
| 21:00.02 | malreth | higher |
| 21:00.05 | Kirkburn|WoW | oooh, so close |
| 21:00.14 | [MoonWolf] | 10 ? |
| 21:00.16 | Kirkburn|WoW | lower |
| 21:00.17 | Dhraga | Here |
| 21:00.19 | malreth | lower... no higher! |
| 21:00.27 | Kirkburn|WoW | See, no higher! |
| 21:00.29 | Kirkburn|WoW | LOWER |
| 21:00.37 | [MoonWolf] | -10.5 |
| 21:00.46 | Kirkburn|WoW | I fear we're not concentrating on the topic at hand |
| 21:00.49 | Kirkburn|WoW | LOWER |
| 21:00.50 | Kirkburn|WoW | LOWER |
| 21:00.52 | Kirkburn|WoW | LOWER |
| 21:01.18 | Dhraga | Haha |
| 21:01.38 | Cairenn | "## Interface: 11000" |
| 21:01.38 | malreth | he must be getting that... sinking feeling |
| 21:01.46 | Kirkburn|WoW | lol |
| 21:01.57 | Kirkburn|WoW | She lies! Lies! |
| 21:02.06 | Kirkburn|WoW | Don't trust he, she's got cooties! |
| 21:02.12 | Kirkburn|WoW | *her! |
| 21:02.18 | Dhraga | Another question btw.... anyone got a quick fix of how to get rid of the errors calling for -- RegisterForSave() is only available to Blizzard scripts |
| 21:02.21 | Cairenn | "File version: 1.10.0.5195" |
| 21:02.35 | malreth | RegisterForSave() has been deprecated for 7 patches now |
| 21:02.38 | Kirkburn|WoW | The addons need updating |
| 21:02.42 | malreth | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions |
| 21:03.13 | Kirkburn|WoW | Not that that bothered the Cosmos devs until some way into the test realm testing |
| 21:03.17 | Kirkburn|WoW | :P |
| 21:03.17 | Dhraga | Ah thanks |
| 21:03.37 | Tain | Dhraga, does the error tell you what addons are doing it? |
| 21:03.45 | Dhraga | Yes |
| 21:03.47 | Kirkburn|WoW | Did for me |
| 21:04.07 | Dhraga | But there was several addons with the same error |
| 21:04.34 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, thank you, as always you are most helpfull. |
| 21:04.38 | Tain | I suppose I should actually log in sometime. |
| 21:05.54 | Dhraga | Tain did you want to know what addons caused the RegisterForSave() error, or where you just checking if it reported the addon ? |
| 21:06.28 | Tain | I was mostly wondering if they reported. I don't know any personally that use RegisterForSave() so I was curious which ones do still. |
| 21:06.41 | Beladona | Cairenn -- wowi down? |
| 21:06.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.49 | [MoonWolf] | im on it right now |
| 21:06.59 | [MoonWolf] | damnit, it crapped out again. |
| 21:07.16 | Beladona | been trying to upload for a while now and it dies on me every time I get any headway |
| 21:07.22 | Cairenn | I've contacted Dolby |
| 21:07.22 | Beladona | =( |
| 21:07.25 | Ktron | So, can I hear, without discussion or explanation, everyone's leading guesses at what the new alliance race will be and a % confidence? like, 'ORLY Owl, 95% confidence' |
| 21:07.40 | malreth | oh, btw, Cairenn... I appreciate everything you all are doing to keep wowi up. I figure it's probably tough work but I wanted to say thank you. |
| 21:07.42 | Beladona | we need more mice |
| 21:07.43 | Ktron | You're not aslan! |
| 21:07.50 | Kolth | WoWI.com just loaded |
| 21:07.54 | Dhraga | okies, can take it short...ViperConfigControl, QuestItem, UIMem, CombatStats (from CTMod I actually think), FreeBagSlots |
| 21:07.59 | Kolth | I'll get back to DDOSing it |
| 21:08.06 | Cairenn | yup, we're back |
| 21:08.11 | Kirkburn|WoW | Yay |
| 21:08.22 | malreth | darn... wait, i mean... yaaaay. |
| 21:08.24 | [MoonWolf] | Beladona, blizzard has good expierences with heavy duty hamsters... |
| 21:08.32 | Beladona | woot! |
| 21:09.06 | Cairenn | Dolby hasn't slept since .... some time late monday night/early tuesday morning |
| 21:09.15 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
| 21:09.20 | [MoonWolf] | what is he running on. |
| 21:09.23 | Cairenn | fumes |
| 21:09.31 | [MoonWolf] | if even that. |
| 21:09.34 | Cairenn | I don't know what he's running on =/ |
| 21:09.40 | [MoonWolf] | pure willpower i think. |
| 21:09.50 | Ktron | and by 'fumes' Cairenn means 'drugs' |
| 21:10.02 | Kirkburn|WoW | heh |
| 21:10.03 | Cairenn | he passed out for a bit at one point, I don't think it was even an hour |
| 21:10.18 | Ktron | and by 'drugs' she means 'Surge that he stocked up on just for such an occasion' |
| 21:10.29 | Cairenn | yeah =/ |
| 21:10.34 | Ktron | and by 'such an occasion' she means 'the rest of his life' |
| 21:10.37 | JoshBorke | registerforsave throws an error now! |
| 21:10.45 | [MoonWolf] | YAY |
| 21:10.55 | Cairenn | and he yells at me for abusing myself during patch time ... he's just as bad |
| 21:10.56 | Beladona | question: is it worth having patch notes on wdn? |
| 21:10.57 | [MoonWolf] | is an agry error ? |
| 21:10.57 | JoshBorke | Lozareth's totalgold uses it :D |
| 21:11.05 | Beladona | cause -- its a pain in the ass putting them up |
| 21:11.10 | Iriel | Where have you guys been for the past w weeks? This RegisterForSave thing isn't a new mystery! |
| 21:11.19 | Ktron | The real quest Cairenn, is do you go through all of this for eq2 patches heh heh |
| 21:11.23 | malreth | where have they been for the past year! |
| 21:11.26 | Cairenn | but I can't lock him out of the site, since he's got the access to the servers, so he'd just let himself back in |
| 21:11.27 | JoshBorke | i'm not using it :-( |
| 21:11.27 | [MoonWolf] | Iriel, we know, but we pretend so we can be happy all over again. |
| 21:11.36 | Ktron | and all the other patches that *interface must be hit by |
| 21:11.51 | Cairenn | Ktron: yup, we do |
| 21:12.03 | Kirkburn|WoW | Beladona, IE7 won't read the patch notes |
| 21:12.08 | Cairenn | although not on the same scale, thank god |
| 21:12.17 | Ktron | that's good at least |
| 21:12.34 | Beladona | really |
| 21:12.36 | Kirkburn|WoW | "Cannot view XML input using XSL style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later. " |
| 21:12.37 | Cairenn | WoWI alone does (at least) 10x the amount of traffic that EQI and EQ2I do together |
| 21:12.38 | [MoonWolf] | from reading a few comments the EQ community has its whole different slew of probplems. |
| 21:12.58 | Kirkburn|WoW | Invalid at the top level of the document. Error processing resource 'http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=notes&id=01... |
| 21:12.58 | Kirkburn|WoW | <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="theme/notes.xsl"?> |
| 21:13.10 | Beladona | IE7 = stupid |
| 21:13.18 | Iriel | Well, i'm supposed to be working not playing with a keyboard so linux g15 support will have to wait.. Idling. |
| 21:13.54 | Beladona | just gonna remove patch notes then |
| 21:14.00 | Beladona | you can always read them yourself |
| 21:14.16 | Kirkburn|WoW | True |
| 21:14.22 | Kirkburn|WoW | It might be a bug in IE7 of course |
| 21:14.44 | Kirkburn|WoW | Oh btw, there's a big annoying patch coming to IE in 60 days :D |
| 21:14.51 | Beladona | anyway, 1.10 is on wdn |
| 21:15.09 | [MoonWolf] | nice |
| 21:15.21 | Kirkburn|WoW | People need to recode websites which use ActiveX controls. |
| 21:15.23 | Kirkburn|WoW | And yay |
| 21:15.34 | Beladona | its already out |
| 21:15.41 | Beladona | or at least my IE has that |
| 21:15.51 | Kirkburn|WoW | The click twice thing? |
| 21:16.00 | Beladona | where you have to click an active X control before it gets activated? |
| 21:16.04 | Kirkburn|WoW | Yup |
| 21:16.04 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:16.07 | [MoonWolf] | cool, finally IE is put at the same place firefox is in that regard. |
| 21:16.15 | Kirkburn|WoW | Firefox already has it? |
| 21:16.28 | [MoonWolf] | if you want a flash plugin in firefox you have to download it |
| 21:16.32 | [MoonWolf] | not so in ie |
| 21:16.47 | [MoonWolf] | activex the great idea that went horribly wrong. |
| 21:16.47 | Kirkburn|WoW | Not sure this is the same |
| 21:17.02 | Beladona | both ie and firefox require a separate flash plugin |
| 21:17.08 | Beladona | they aren't different on that |
| 21:17.19 | Beladona | the flash plugin just installs more automagically in ie |
| 21:17.24 | Beladona | you ahve to download the installer in firefox |
| 21:17.26 | Kirkburn|WoW | This is down to a court ruling changing how you can activate controls |
| 21:17.40 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 21:17.47 | [MoonWolf] | misunderstand on my part. |
| 21:17.51 | Kirkburn|WoW | Say for an embedded movie, you have to click to activate it, then click again to use it |
| 21:18.01 | Kirkburn|WoW | With a little recoding it works as normal though |
| 21:18.08 | Beladona | I think its a good thing |
| 21:18.16 | Kirkburn|WoW | Bit of a safety net |
| 21:18.22 | Beladona | hopefully people will not be so anxious to use activex |
| 21:18.28 | Ktron | Firefox can never be as integrated as IE, because it's third party... Now, the fact that windows explorer and IE aren't going to be integrated anymore... that suggests something to me about the usefulness of not being integrated so closely heh... anyway |
| 21:18.41 | [MoonWolf] | anything that puts user action between activex running is good. |
| 21:18.44 | Kirkburn|WoW | Or the security issues |
| 21:18.50 | Kirkburn|WoW | Mostly the security issues |
| 21:19.23 | Kirkburn|WoW | Having an integrated browser was never the best idea :s |
| 21:19.36 | [MoonWolf] | the security and the compelty stupid idea of integrating an application into your OS. |
| 21:20.09 | Iriel | Ah yes, but integration could also have been viewed as a strategy to eliminate competition |
| 21:20.26 | [MoonWolf] | wonder what will happen if linux stepped out and said, hey we integrated abiword into the kernel.... |
| 21:20.40 | malreth | heck... it could be argued that apple's webkit is an integrated web browser |
| 21:21.03 | Kirkburn|WoW | I'M an integrated browser |
| 21:21.03 | [MoonWolf] | dont know anything about apples systems. |
| 21:21.14 | Kirkburn|WoW | Bananas are tasty though |
| 21:21.34 | Kirkburn|WoW | *munch munch munch* |
| 21:21.39 | Tain | I don't care about integrating the technology, it's the security that's my concern. Whether or not it's shutting out other competition is a separate thing. |
| 21:21.49 | Dhraga | Cide, did you have to change anything in the CTMod included CooldownCount for 1.10 ? |
| 21:21.57 | Cide | no |
| 21:22.13 | [MoonWolf] | the damage was done, luckely vista changes it back again. or so they say. |
| 21:22.19 | Kirkburn|WoW | Well, that's the end of that line of questioning |
| 21:22.36 | Dhraga | Strange, I wonder why no other addons can display info or detect spells on hotbars |
| 21:22.38 | [MoonWolf] | quick easy and to the point. |
| 21:22.55 | Kirkburn|WoW | Dhraga, have you tried it with only the necessary addons enabled? |
| 21:23.08 | Iriel | Dhraga : Sounds like un-fixed GameTooltip's to me |
| 21:23.15 | Dhraga | Hmmm actually no.... |
| 21:23.38 | Ktron | I'm not for integration, but I am for compatibility |
| 21:23.48 | Dhraga | I can do that though... brb in 5 (got about 145 addons atm lol) |
| 21:24.07 | Cide | ouch. |
| 21:24.19 | Ktron | I want every application to work hand in hand with every other is regulated and documented ways so that a second application could be dropped in its place and work identically as well |
| 21:24.29 | Dhraga | Only small addons ;);) |
| 21:24.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Natasem (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 21:24.49 | Ktron | heh, I like the ability to make a choice on ever piece of software I put on my computer, it bothers me when I'm forced into having things, especially things I don't like |
| 21:25.34 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, if i say i dont want a calculator, you are not giving me one... why is there a calculator , get it AWAY!@!!!!! aaahh. |
| 21:25.49 | [MoonWolf] | i think i need sleep. |
| 21:26.07 | Natasem | good lord, why can't people search or even skim the front page of the UI forum prior to themposting another thread about xxx mod not working |
| 21:26.24 | [MoonWolf] | natasem, that requires an iq and effort. |
| 21:26.30 | Kirkburn|WoW | Why read, when you can type badly? |
| 21:26.54 | Kirkburn|WoW | WHY REED, wh3n u cn tipe badle? NOOBS! |
| 21:27.12 | [MoonWolf] | okay i really need sleep, i read that as BOOBS the firs time. |
| 21:27.22 | Kirkburn|WoW | Maybe that's what I wrote? |
| 21:27.36 | Kirkburn|WoW | Booby boobs boob I boobed? |
| 21:28.00 | Ktron | And the channel sets a new record! |
| 21:28.12 | [MoonWolf] | it does ? |
| 21:28.24 | Ktron | Doesn't it? |
| 21:28.24 | Kirkburn|WoW | Boobies? |
| 21:28.41 | Kirkburn|WoW | Most boobies in one thread at one time? |
| 21:28.43 | [MoonWolf] | BOOBIES!!!!!!! |
| 21:28.56 | Ktron | Malkovich malkovich, malkovich malkovich? |
| 21:29.12 | [MoonWolf] | BOOBIES!!!!!!! |
| 21:29.17 | Kirkburn|WoW | Abramovich! Abramovich! |
| 21:29.50 | Kirkburn|WoW | So, er, ahem. Back to WoW |
| 21:29.53 | Natasem | atleast since i posted my thread called "Updated Post is your CT_Raid Broke?? read here" the amount of CT is borked fixz it N0VV threads have gone down |
| 21:30.05 | Kirkburn|WoW | To 300 from 301? |
| 21:30.22 | Beladona | back to the whole integration thing. It is a huge gray area. Consumer products integrate features all the time, in favor of getting you to choose them over another product. You don't see people taking grill manufacturers to court because they included utensils instead of making the consumer choose from utensils separately. |
| 21:30.27 | Natasem | "Is your CT_Raid Broke?? read here" even |
| 21:30.43 | Ktron | Cairenn, where did you get/who made the graphics for WoWI? like the backgrounds, and the 'Interface' text in the logo |
| 21:30.56 | Natasem | nat Kirkburn|WoW i keep it stealth bumped quite a bit |
| 21:31.09 | Kirkburn|WoW | I like the comic. There's a certain constancy across the Interface sites ;) |
| 21:31.18 | Kirkburn|WoW | Stealth bumps ftw! |
| 21:31.29 | Cairenn | The comic was done by Woody, the graphics on the site were Dolby and I |
| 21:31.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: Did your discussion come from the article where the Microsoft employee said Microsoft's past integration and strongarming tactics were GOOD for their competition? |
| 21:31.39 | Cairenn | (using Blizz graphics, obviously) |
| 21:31.40 | Kirkburn|WoW | And integration for the cheapness and monopolies! |
| 21:31.45 | Beladona | obviously there is a limit, but much of those limits are still being set forth today. When MS set out to make the most popular OS, they didn't have all those defined limits, so they tried to push the limits where they could |
| 21:31.45 | [MoonWolf] | Beladona, utensils on a grill and a browser on a pc are hardly comparable.... |
| 21:31.53 | Cairenn | And Dolby custom made the Text |
| 21:32.04 | Beladona | in a business ssense, you can't blame MS |
| 21:32.05 | Cairenn | it's a graphic, not a font |
| 21:32.10 | Kirkburn|WoW | I know, utensils work |
| 21:32.20 | Beladona | someone had to do it for the limits to be set |
| 21:32.21 | Kirkburn|WoW | ooh, cool |
| 21:32.36 | [MoonWolf] | maybe if IE was not a 6 year old browser with security leak written all over it i would think different. |
| 21:32.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: What's wrong with claiming a business was very unethical? |
| 21:32.55 | Kirkburn|WoW | It just says "internet explorer" on mine :( |
| 21:33.01 | Beladona | back when IE was concieved there wasn't an alternative |
| 21:33.06 | Beladona | not a good one anyway |
| 21:33.08 | [MoonWolf] | netscape |
| 21:33.13 | Beladona | heh |
| 21:33.13 | [MoonWolf] | and they killed that. |
| 21:33.15 | Kirkburn|WoW | heh |
| 21:33.16 | Tain | I have to disagree with that. |
| 21:33.21 | Beladona | which had as many holes as it did |
| 21:33.26 | [MoonWolf] | when did opera come around ? |
| 21:33.32 | Tain | IE was crap compared to both Netscape and ... Mosaic that was it. |
| 21:33.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: AOL's own proprietary Mosiac-based browser ;) |
| 21:34.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Later revamped to use IE's engine |
| 21:34.07 | Kirkburn|WoW | If netscape worked that well towards the end, it wouldn't have died |
| 21:34.21 | Tain | That's skipping ahead a few years though, Kirkburn. |
| 21:34.21 | Gryphen | an endless debate |
| 21:34.32 | Kirkburn|WoW | True |
| 21:34.35 | Beladona | but back on the main point. If you were in business back then, you would do what you could to get people to use your product over another. Even if that meant integrating it into another more popular or accessible product. Regular consumer companies do it all the time |
| 21:34.45 | Ktron | Netscape has Gecko though... |
| 21:34.57 | [MoonWolf] | Beladona, cant argue on that point. |
| 21:34.58 | Kirkburn|WoW | Ie should come with Kittens |
| 21:34.58 | Beladona | bear in mind I am an IE hater too |
| 21:35.12 | Tain | MS didn't start integrating IE to the rest of the OS for years. |
| 21:35.17 | Kirkburn|WoW | Kittens would change your mind |
| 21:35.21 | Beladona | they did it slowly |
| 21:35.25 | Tain | Hell, MS ignored the Internet entirely for years. |
| 21:35.28 | Beladona | as a means to an end |
| 21:35.30 | Kirkburn|WoW | We must campain for kittens! |
| 21:35.38 | Kirkburn|WoW | Which years? |
| 21:35.47 | [MoonWolf] | 95 to 98... |
| 21:36.00 | Kirkburn|WoW | Ah I suppose |
| 21:36.11 | Tain | No, it was '96 I would say that they started looking at it. |
| 21:36.18 | Tain | Seriously, I mean. |
| 21:36.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://blakeross.com/2006/03/28/gratitude/ <-- "Over at ZDNet, Microsoft employee John Caroll makes the case that his company's monopolistic tactics over the past decade have in fact benefited our industry, and cites Internet Explorer as an example. Without preinstalling Internet Explorer, he says, how would anyone download Firefox? How would open-source markets grow?" |
| 21:36.52 | Kirkburn|WoW | That's kind of a good point .. if IE wasn't installed, how would you ever use the net? |
| 21:37.03 | ckknight | wget |
| 21:37.03 | [MoonWolf] | kinda..... |
| 21:37.11 | [MoonWolf] | how would you get wget ? |
| 21:37.14 | Cairenn | Iriel, a request for you to upload WheelBindings to WoWI, seems your site is down ... |
| 21:37.16 | ckknight | magic! |
| 21:37.18 | Beladona | there are ways, but the typical user would never be able to get online |
| 21:37.18 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343496&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 21:37.31 | [MoonWolf] | telnet.... |
| 21:37.32 | Beladona | without getting a physical cd |
| 21:37.36 | Tain | You can't compare today's technology to what was available then. |
| 21:37.47 | Dhraga | Regarding the info that wount show nor detect from hotbars, ABinfo, SpellMats, WhisperCast.... They dont work even if I only use blizzard default UI and only them enabled |
| 21:37.50 | Tain | You installed from floppy discs before you did anything. |
| 21:37.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:37.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kirkburn|WoW: It totally misses the point that Microsoft strongarm'd OEM manufacturers (where MOST computers of that day were bought) from doing anything except preinstalling Internet Explorer |
| 21:38.04 | Beladona | right Tain, but they would have had to get thoer floppies from somewhere |
| 21:38.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/MOST/MOST home |
| 21:38.08 | [MoonWolf] | nothing is wrong with including a browser in your os... but making it so it cannot be removed, there is a crulpit. |
| 21:38.12 | Beladona | and who had the clout to push retail browsers |
| 21:38.21 | Kirkburn|WoW | You think they would have spent their time getting other browser *right at the start* if there was no interest? |
| 21:38.41 | Tain | Beladona what your saying makes sense. But it didn't happen that way. |
| 21:39.02 | Tain | Netscape pushed the browser market to the point where MS had to get IE out there to compete. |
| 21:39.04 | Beladona | it didn't because it was integrated |
| 21:39.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | What we need is a time machine, go back in time with Debian Sarge and Open Office 2.0 on floppies. |
| 21:39.23 | Tain | IE became integraetd because Netscape (and Mosaic) created the market that MS was missing out on. |
| 21:39.30 | Beladona | the one thing I could see happening was ISP services providing browser software upon signup |
| 21:39.42 | Tain | That's exactly what they did. |
| 21:39.46 | Beladona | which means browser makers making deals with those ISP's |
| 21:39.49 | Tain | YOu signed up, they sent you install floppies. |
| 21:39.57 | Tain | And eventually CDs. |
| 21:39.57 | Beladona | right |
| 21:40.14 | [MoonWolf] | they even gave you custom tcp/ip (or other protocol) stacks. |
| 21:40.16 | Beladona | and the ISP I worked for provided netscape |
| 21:40.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | A lot of ISPs included Netscape as an option, but the big, super-popular ISPs did not necessarily give you that option |
| 21:40.45 | Tain | Yep Moon, of course with Windows 3.1 they had to do that since there was no TCP/IP. |
| 21:41.03 | Beladona | the ultimate point is that MS set out to a) make their software the defacto, and b) make computers accessible without too much fuss in general |
| 21:41.09 | Beladona | a) was self serving |
| 21:41.15 | Beladona | b) was good for the industry as a whole |
| 21:41.17 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, and then someone would intall in in 98 and i would tear my hair out when i had problem getting the box working on a school network. |
| 21:41.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | AOL quickly became a very popular ISP because it was all integrated into one suite. Their own TCP/IP stack, their own browser, their own network connected to the Internet. |
| 21:42.05 | malreth | Wooo! when you just can't get ranters to see reason... hijack their threads! hahahahahahah |
| 21:42.11 | Tain | WEll, b was also self-serving and the industry thrived, at this point there's no way to compare to anything else to decide whether it was good or some other way would have been better for the industry. |
| 21:42.19 | Beladona | its hard to say what the industry would be like without MS |
| 21:42.31 | Tain | AOL became a popular ISP because it already was a popular online service. |
| 21:42.34 | Beladona | I think people would be smarter, but there would be less of us |
| 21:42.41 | [MoonWolf] | we can only say it would be different, how different for good or bad. thats all guess work |
| 21:43.03 | Tain | They were not quick to become an ISP, they only did because subscribers were leaving AOL to join ISPs when AOL didn't offer Internet access. |
| 21:43.07 | Gryphen | everything so far has been guess work |
| 21:43.07 | Beladona | and gaming.... |
| 21:43.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: AOL started out as a BBS? |
| 21:43.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | I remember using AOL as an ISP when it was "AOL 1.0" |
| 21:43.32 | Tain | AOL was just a huge BBS type system. |
| 21:43.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | On my old 9800 baud modem |
| 21:43.47 | [MoonWolf] | yay bauds |
| 21:43.51 | Tain | Not quite BBS, but an online network you paid for as a subscriber. |
| 21:44.01 | Gryphen | hehe, 9800 is new equipment |
| 21:44.02 | Beladona | that now serves to hold up the edge of a pile of debris at some landfill |
| 21:44.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah, that was before my time. I was about 14 when I started using AOL 1.0. |
| 21:44.30 | Tain | AOL, CompuServe, Genie, they were the big 3 online services, none of them part of the Internet. |
| 21:44.43 | Tain | And before that QuantumLink. |
| 21:44.48 | Beladona | wow, I remember when dual ISDN meant you were king |
| 21:45.07 | [MoonWolf] | private Wan's with sitse and bbs around ? |
| 21:45.09 | Iriel | I used to have dual ISDN from work, it was awesome |
| 21:45.15 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:45.16 | [MoonWolf] | sites* |
| 21:45.17 | Tain | See I was paying $10 a month to dial into Q-Link with my C64 and 300baud modem. |
| 21:45.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: For ASCII porn? |
| 21:45.47 | [MoonWolf] | porn, you dont use a c64 for porn.... |
| 21:45.50 | [MoonWolf] | right ? |
| 21:45.51 | Beladona | I was working at a dialup service when broadband became mainstream |
| 21:45.54 | Tain | And using my Atari 2600 joystick as a controller. |
| 21:46.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Joystick" he says |
| 21:46.07 | Beladona | and I jumped on it like it was candy |
| 21:46.16 | [MoonWolf] | Beladona, it IS candy. |
| 21:46.20 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:46.33 | [MoonWolf] | i dare say, it is BETTER then candy. |
| 21:46.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Actually I think my first modem was 1400 baud, not 9800 |
| 21:46.57 | malreth | mine was 2400 |
| 21:47.06 | [MoonWolf] | mine was 56k |
| 21:47.09 | malreth | when i bought the 14.4, oh, it was nice |
| 21:47.10 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:47.18 | Tain | I was first on the Internet in either 90 or 91, on a Sun terminal at Brown University. |
| 21:47.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | 1400, then 9800, then 14400, then 36k, then 56k |
| 21:47.22 | malreth | i was co-sysop on a board, too |
| 21:47.26 | Beladona | troubleshooting modems was a serious talent |
| 21:47.38 | malreth | that probably really dates me... |
| 21:47.54 | Tain | I almost started an ISP in.. 94 or 95. |
| 21:48.00 | [MoonWolf] | reset modem, is it workign yet, can you hold the horn close to the modem when it is dailing in.... |
| 21:48.03 | [MoonWolf] | connection lost. |
| 21:48.08 | [MoonWolf] | no isdn |
| 21:48.22 | Tain | And by almost I mean had a business partner, had financial backing, had a location, just had to sign a bunch of paperwork to set it all in motion, and start buying equipment. |
| 21:48.25 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:48.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: Yeah, I got a heavy education when I was 15 with my brand-new $2500 Gateway Pentium II 266MHz (best for its time!) and its crappy 36.6k winmodem didn't work half the time |
| 21:48.35 | Beladona | hold the phone next to the modem, thats funny |
| 21:48.49 | Beladona | you could tell by the handshake sometimes what was wrong |
| 21:49.00 | [MoonWolf] | ofcourse you can |
| 21:49.02 | Cide | I hate patches |
| 21:49.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | After the 30th call, I was more experienced troubleshooting modems then most the people at Gateway |
| 21:49.16 | Beladona | I could pull modem strings out of my ass |
| 21:49.16 | [MoonWolf] | i could tell you across my room if my 386 was bootin correctly or not by hd sounds alone. |
| 21:49.29 | Tain | +++ath0 |
| 21:49.35 | Cide | "ctmod is broken!! when can we get a fix?!".. if people actually let me know WHAT is broken, it'd be faster |
| 21:49.35 | [MoonWolf] | so someone who knows modems should be able to do the same. |
| 21:49.43 | Kirkburn|WoW | lool |
| 21:49.53 | [MoonWolf] | Cide, put in more magic smoke. |
| 21:50.04 | Cide | hmm, good point |
| 21:50.26 | Beladona | you should release a version that totally disables it, and then say "What? You aren't getting errors are you?" |
| 21:50.27 | Cairenn | Cide: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=344067&tmp=1#post344067 |
| 21:50.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.50 | Cide | if only people learned to read |
| 21:50.51 | Cairenn | they'd rather just whine |
| 21:51.07 | Beladona | its the name of the game |
| 21:51.09 | [MoonWolf] | they dont want to help, they only want it to work, magically. |
| 21:51.11 | Beladona | support is never easy |
| 21:51.30 | Beladona | no one understands how to send screenshots, or copy the error message down, etc... |
| 21:51.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cide: "What's broken?" Guy: "CTMOD is broken!!" Cide: "No, specifically, what part of it?" Guy: "The addon!!!" Cide: "What ABOUT the addon?!" Guy: "Itz broken!!!!" Cide: "Specifics, please!!!" Guy: "I think it's the Luann or Xmale" |
| 21:51.59 | [MoonWolf] | in their eyes coders dont work, they sit on their ass, think of an idea, type on a keyboard for half an hour... yay done. |
| 21:52.06 | [MoonWolf] | and its broken the same method aplies. |
| 21:52.12 | Cide | GenNMX|Thrae: too true :( |
| 21:52.13 | Beladona | which si an example of where MS making computing easy for idiots was a bad thing |
| 21:52.40 | Cairenn | oh my god ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=346636&p=1&tmp=1#post346636 |
| 21:53.11 | [MoonWolf] | get off of that forum Cairenn we value your sanity. |
| 21:53.29 | krka | damn it... my addon is buggy |
| 21:53.33 | krka | the tooltip is still broken |
| 21:53.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Aww, I was hoping for a bash of Curse-Gaming ;) |
| 21:53.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine|Disco (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu) |
| 21:54.10 | Cairenn | and if you did, I'd yell at you, which you already know |
| 21:54.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | No, I mean from the post's topic, "Whats wrong with Curse gaming?!?!?!" |
| 21:54.45 | [MoonWolf] | i propose something new, in the first two weeks after the patch all forums get locked! |
| 21:55.10 | kraymontieuh | where do report a general bug? o: |
| 21:55.12 | kraymontieuh | (quest) |
| 21:55.32 | Beladona | O replied |
| 21:55.35 | Beladona | I* |
| 21:55.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | [MoonWolf]: So, WoW's forums crashing after a new patch is a feature, not a bug? |
| 21:55.56 | [MoonWolf] | yes, but it should last longer! |
| 21:56.00 | [MoonWolf] | kraymontieuh, shoot. |
| 21:56.08 | kraymontieuh | wildkin feathers quest |
| 21:56.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | WoW Forums 2.0 -- Now With Longer Crashes! |
| 21:56.24 | kraymontieuh | after all 15 are collected you can still loot feathers, you don't pick them up but the world objects disappear |
| 21:56.32 | [MoonWolf] | oh that kind of bug |
| 21:56.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Somehow, I don't think that'd be a good advertisement for them... |
| 21:56.42 | Iriel | nick iriel|Working |
| 21:56.46 | Iriel | oops |
| 21:56.51 | Kirkburn|WoW | :P |
| 21:56.53 | Beladona | lolzors |
| 21:56.56 | iriel|Working | I guess / wasn't where I expected it to be |
| 21:57.07 | [MoonWolf] | kraymontieuh, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-bugs |
| 21:57.15 | kraymontieuh | i can't login >< |
| 21:57.22 | kraymontieuh | for the last 2 weeks heh |
| 21:57.24 | [MoonWolf] | ask someone to do it for you... |
| 21:57.33 | Beladona | heh |
| 21:57.40 | kraymontieuh | moonwolf, can you do it for me? =P |
| 21:57.58 | kraymontieuh | wait, i think i'm logging in..! |
| 21:58.00 | kraymontieuh | it's loading |
| 21:58.02 | [MoonWolf] | im an eu resident and cannot post on the us forums, the eu forums seems not to be noticed. |
| 21:58.09 | kraymontieuh | still loading...! |
| 21:58.10 | Beladona | WOW Forums 2.0 SE, when the first release just didn't cut it |
| 21:58.14 | kraymontieuh | YOU CAN DO IT WEB BROWSER |
| 21:58.32 | kraymontieuh | I LOGGED IN...! |
| 21:58.34 | kraymontieuh | yay |
| 21:58.50 | [MoonWolf] | wow forums 2.0, now crashes when you use words like blue, plz, or pwn, fuck or common word mispellings. |
| 21:58.52 | Beladona | are you a footbal announcer for a living? |
| 21:59.00 | kraymontieuh | i hate football |
| 21:59.02 | kraymontieuh | and football too |
| 21:59.04 | Beladona | oh ok |
| 21:59.09 | Beladona | just wondering why the play by play |
| 21:59.28 | kraymontieuh | because my brain is melting |
| 21:59.40 | [MoonWolf] | can i drink it ? |
| 21:59.44 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 21:59.45 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 21:59.52 | Beladona | Moonwolf is a zombie |
| 21:59.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Football" in America is a version of Rugby, and different from "Soccer". |
| 21:59.55 | Beladona | he likes brains |
| 21:59.57 | [MoonWolf] | i scared josh away. |
| 22:00.51 | [MoonWolf] | \o/ |
| 22:00.51 | malreth | i've noticed that my forum posts have been getting more and more optimistic throughout the day... |
| 22:00.52 | Kirkburn|WoW | Unlike the rest of the forum |
| 22:00.54 | Beladona | ok, going home. Going to go jmp in a vat of scalding oil until my skin is gone and I feel nothing but agony. Its better than the newbie posts on the forums |
| 22:01.05 | Cairenn | Later Bela |
| 22:01.09 | malreth | for every flaming ranter, there's a few good arguers out there |
| 22:01.12 | Kirkburn|WoW | laterrrs |
| 22:01.17 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 22:01.27 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, he is taking a dump on your because your are from wowi now.... |
| 22:01.44 | [MoonWolf] | that undead poster with the curse comment. |
| 22:01.49 | Cairenn | meh |
| 22:01.54 | Kirkburn|WoW | link? |
| 22:01.59 | [MoonWolf] | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=346636&p=1&tmp=1#post346636 |
| 22:02.27 | kraymontieuh | .... |
| 22:02.29 | Cairenn | rofl, that's funny |
| 22:02.31 | kraymontieuh | lol. |
| 22:02.37 | kraymontieuh | ur just pissed cairin! |
| 22:02.44 | Kirkburn|WoW | lol |
| 22:02.46 | Cairenn | of course I am! |
| 22:02.49 | kraymontieuh | what a cutey 3.14159 |
| 22:03.03 | Kirkburn|WoW | heh |
| 22:03.21 | Cairenn | that's why I link to CG/ui.wow/wowguru/randomsitewhatever if they have a mod that a user is looking for ... because I'm pissed off about the "competition" ... |
| 22:03.40 | malreth | i reported him for language |
| 22:03.40 | Kirkburn|WoW | "Whats wrong with Curse gaming?!?!?!" ... more like ... "Whats wrong with ME?!?!?!?!" |
| 22:03.43 | kraymontieuh | yes you are! |
| 22:03.43 | Cairenn | s/is looking for/is looking for and we don't have/ |
| 22:03.54 | kraymontieuh | hehe |
| 22:04.03 | kraymontieuh | i dunno, i get entertainment from those posts |
| 22:04.09 | [MoonWolf] | you clearly want all of the patch crazyness for yourself. |
| 22:04.11 | kraymontieuh | i think there's enough to be disgusted about humans already :P |
| 22:04.12 | malreth | i made sure to mention that I was "highly offended" |
| 22:04.21 | Kirkburn|WoW | EnterTAINment. See, he's always there. |
| 22:04.27 | kraymontieuh | lol |
| 22:04.54 | Kirkburn|WoW | lol malreth |
| 22:05.14 | malreth | i was raised Catholic. i can't handle those sorts of things |
| 22:05.14 | [MoonWolf] | and with that i levae you |
| 22:05.25 | Kirkburn|WoW | With what? A Kazooo? |
| 22:05.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaelten (n=Kaelten@68.63.3.183) |
| 22:05.55 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 22:06.00 | Kaelten | hows it going? |
| 22:06.13 | malreth | Kaelten, you are my favorite person in the whole world! |
| 22:06.30 | Kaelten | who me? |
| 22:06.37 | malreth | yes you |
| 22:06.44 | Kaelten | why me? |
| 22:06.54 | malreth | Because you said you'd bring me lemonade |
| 22:07.13 | Cairenn | I responded |
| 22:07.42 | Kirkburn|WoW | Hey, favouritism! |
| 22:07.43 | Cairenn | hey hey Kaelten, how's life? |
| 22:08.02 | malreth | Cairenn: classic. *high fives* |
| 22:08.06 | Kirkburn|WoW | Aww :) |
| 22:08.11 | Kirkburn|WoW | Don't want it now :P |
| 22:08.20 | Kirkburn|WoW | Now that's talking! |
| 22:08.26 | Kaelten | lol |
| 22:08.32 | Cairenn | here's to the assholes! where would we be without them! |
| 22:08.48 | Kaelten | happy and rich? |
| 22:09.20 | malreth | RAWR!~#@ |
| 22:09.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well Tekkub would certainly be mad if all the assholes were gone ;) |
| 22:09.27 | Cairenn | rofl GenNMX|Thrae |
| 22:09.28 | Kirkburn|WoW | Btw, new Titan Panel just went up |
| 22:09.53 | malreth | where's Saien? isn't he around to lay into some of these people on the forum? |
| 22:10.03 | Cairenn | hey, you're right |
| 22:10.13 | malreth | desho! |
| 22:10.21 | Cairenn | where *is* Saien? Usually he has a field day on days like this ... |
| 22:13.43 | Kirkburn|WoW | I've gained 11 positions from 90th to 79th position in the worldofwar chart in one day |
| 22:14.33 | Kirkburn|WoW | Quick, must code another version to bump myself more! |
| 22:15.05 | Kaelten | lol |
| 22:15.12 | Kaelten | thats it hourly releases from here to number one! |
| 22:15.41 | Shouryuu|mad | worldofwar chart? |
| 22:17.54 | Shouryuu|mad | I;ve just seen the worst movie I've seen in a while |
| 22:17.59 | Shouryuu|mad | Exit wond, with guess who |
| 22:18.21 | Kirkburn|WoW | The spelling police? |
| 22:18.29 | Shouryuu|mad | Steven Seagal |
| 22:18.36 | Shouryuu|mad | ~lart Kirkburn|WoW |
| 22:18.43 | krka | is exit wond the american spelling of exit wound? |
| 22:18.45 | Kirkburn|WoW | nice |
| 22:19.06 | Kirkburn|WoW | Nah, the frenchy way |
| 22:19.11 | Shouryuu|mad | hehe |
| 22:19.34 | Kirkburn|WoW | (the worldofwar chart http://ui.worldofwar.net/topmods.php) |
| 22:22.17 | Shouryuu|mad | Was that really a person? |
| 22:22.21 | Shouryuu|mad | ComicSansMS? |
| 22:22.26 | Kirkburn|WoW | Yes |
| 22:22.35 | Shouryuu|mad | ok just wondering |
| 22:22.48 | Kirkburn|WoW | I keep feeling it's like an alias for someone else |
| 22:23.36 | groll | Legorol u around? |
| 22:23.44 | Shouryuu|mad | too true http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=47&Set=64 |
| 22:24.03 | Kirkburn|WoW | :) |
| 22:24.05 | kraymontieuh | lol |
| 22:24.19 | Shouryuu|mad | could someone answer this and tell them I'll have one done in a week? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343399&p=1&tmp=1#post343399 |
| 22:24.29 | Shouryuu|mad | feel free to make it btw |
| 22:24.33 | kraymontieuh | lol |
| 22:24.38 | Shouryuu|mad | awww kraymontieuh is hereuh! |
| 22:24.47 | kraymontieuh | ouais je suis ^_^ |
| 22:24.50 | Shouryuu|mad | whateuh wonderfuleuh siteuh! |
| 22:24.57 | kraymontieuh | quoieuh? |
| 22:25.08 | Shouryuu|mad | c'esteuh merveilleuxeuh! |
| 22:25.21 | kraymontieuh | queleuh esteyeux? |
| 22:25.21 | Kirkburn|WoW | Shoot me now. |
| 22:25.33 | Shouryuu|mad | ~shoot Kirkburn|WoW |
| 22:25.35 | purl | ACTION shoots Kirkburn|WoW in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 22:25.40 | kraymontieuh | jeuh neuh comprendreuh |
| 22:25.41 | Shouryuu|mad | Hq~ |
| 22:25.43 | kraymontieuh | paszszsz |
| 22:25.45 | Cairenn | I may just shoot them, instead |
| 22:25.49 | kraymontieuh | ,_, |
| 22:25.56 | Kirkburn|WoW | Please. |
| 22:26.00 | Shouryuu|mad | Run away, run away! |
| 22:26.11 | kraymontieuh | what's marvelous, shouryeuh>? |
| 22:26.15 | kraymontieuh | shoe dragoneuh |
| 22:26.21 | kraymontieuh | sheuh drageuhn |
| 22:26.26 | Shouryuu|mad | lool |
| 22:26.33 | kraymontieuh | feuh :O |
| 22:26.45 | kraymontieuh | SHEUH DRAGEUHN, what is marvelous? >< |
| 22:26.58 | Shouryuu|mad | sheuh drageuhn is really how french would pronounve my name |
| 22:27.00 | groll | dod website down again :( |
| 22:27.01 | Shouryuu|mad | that you are here! |
| 22:27.01 | Kirkburnieu | Jeh neh comprende pas |
| 22:27.06 | kraymontieuh | i know shouryuu |
| 22:27.12 | kraymontieuh | comprends, you silly |
| 22:27.18 | Shouryuu|mad | wow |
| 22:27.19 | kraymontieuh | how is it wonderful? |
| 22:27.19 | Kirkburnieu | me silly |
| 22:27.22 | Shouryuu|mad | nice :P |
| 22:27.23 | kraymontieuh | doesn't everyone hate me? |
| 22:27.30 | Shouryuu|mad | awwwwwwwww |
| 22:27.36 | Shouryuu|mad | lol |
| 22:27.36 | kraymontieuh | Kirkburn: it'd be |
| 22:27.42 | kraymontieuh | Keuhrkbeuhrn |
| 22:27.56 | Shouryuu|mad | or Caireuhn |
| 22:28.04 | kraymawnt | real pronounciation! |
| 22:28.08 | kraymawnt | krémonte ^_^ |
| 22:28.13 | Caireuhn | I'm confused |
| 22:28.16 | Shouryuu|mad | lol |
| 22:28.54 | Ktron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.02 | Keuhrkbeuhrn | eugh! |
| 22:29.38 | Shouryuu|mad | rawreuh! |
| 22:29.47 | Shouryuu|mad | we should post all our help with a french accent |
| 22:29.57 | kraymawnt | eske c'est possible pour utiliser string.gsub avec un table? |
| 22:30.13 | kraymawnt | (ie string.gsub (string, from{}, to{})) |
| 22:30.18 | Shouryuu|mad | pour = wrong, d'utiliser |
| 22:30.24 | Shouryuu|mad | no idea kraymawnt |
| 22:30.25 | kraymawnt | FOR TO USE |
| 22:30.28 | kraymawnt | !!!! |
| 22:30.32 | kraymawnt | OF USE? BLASPHEMOUS |
| 22:30.36 | Keuhrkbeuhrn | Eee leek mon adhednon cleuhfeuhnt |
| 22:30.39 | kraymawnt | blasphemous is a hilarious word |
| 22:30.46 | Shouryuu|mad | Keuhrkbeuhrn looool |
| 22:30.54 | Shouryuu|mad | I think spoutnik owns them all |
| 22:31.03 | Shouryuu|mad | no better word than that |
| 22:31.32 | Sheuhreiyoeouh|m | damn |
| 22:31.33 | Shouryuu|mad | loool |
| 22:31.53 | Keuhrkbeuhrn | euh neuh, patchez uhn pwhan teuhn |
| 22:31.55 | Shouryuu|mad | lol |
| 22:32.33 | Shouryuu|mad | Blizzardeuh stinkeuh likeuh shiteuh. Eye hateuh youeuh! |
| 22:32.41 | Sheuhreiyeuh|mad | alors on vas parler en anglais maintenant? |
| 22:32.54 | Shouryuu|mad | wwwouaaahh so gooooooddd |
| 22:32.58 | Sheuhreiyeuh|mad | (je ne veux pas pour tout etre kickéééé) |
| 22:33.15 | Shouryuu|mad | it's va not vas |
| 22:33.20 | kremonte | IT IS VAS |
| 22:33.26 | Shouryuu|mad | ok, ok it's va |
| 22:33.29 | Shouryuu|mad | *vas |
| 22:33.33 | kremonte | you know how there's france french and canadian french? |
| 22:33.40 | kremonte | well there's also kremontian french |
| 22:33.45 | kremonte | and that's what i speak |
| 22:33.45 | Shouryuu|mad | lol |
| 22:34.01 | Keuhrkbeuhrn | non, euh meuhn "Blizzardeur steenk leuk sheet. Eee heet yeuh!'" |
| 22:34.24 | Shouryuu|mad | hehe |
| 22:34.26 | kremonte | aha! |
| 22:34.38 | Caireuhn | That's SOOO me! |
| 22:34.43 | kremonte | j'ai fini mon premier version d'AICFM3TOR |
| 22:34.54 | malreth | oh crap... i step away for a bit and this happens! |
| 22:35.01 | Shouryuu|mad | What's that? |
| 22:35.03 | Caireuhn | Ouih ouih! |
| 22:35.09 | kremonte | i can't say in here :( |
| 22:35.10 | malreth | i've forgotten how to read english! |
| 22:35.10 | Shouryuu|mad | AICFM3TOR? |
| 22:35.12 | kremonte | it's a secret |
| 22:35.18 | Shouryuu|mad | dammn |
| 22:35.44 | Keuhrkbeuhrn | Euh Caireuhn, weuh deuh yeuh deuhing? |
| 22:35.57 | kremonte | wuduyu! |
| 22:36.06 | Ktron | Euh dohn't hnuo |
| 22:36.14 | kremonte | Shouryuu|mad: comprendre? |
| 22:36.21 | Shouryuu|mad | aye |
| 22:36.27 | Shouryuu|mad | did you get my reply? |
| 22:36.29 | kremonte | aimes tu le nom? |
| 22:36.30 | kremonte | non |
| 22:36.34 | kremonte | tu n'est pas identifier |
| 22:36.34 | Ktron | Moo |
| 22:36.42 | Shouryuu|mad | can't identify =( |
| 22:36.45 | kremonte | identifiééé |
| 22:36.50 | kremonte | utiliser Shouryuu? |
| 22:37.06 | Shouryuu | oui :P |
| 22:37.16 | Shouryuu|bonkers | non :P |
| 22:37.22 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 22:37.27 | Shouryuu|bonkers | hehe |
| 22:37.29 | Shouryuu|dancing | woot |
| 22:37.33 | Shouryuu|bonkers | wewt |
| 22:37.40 | Shouryuu|Schizo | Oh noez! |
| 22:37.50 | Shouryuu|swedish | Bork de bork! |
| 22:37.51 | Shouryuu|bonkers | There'll banana hammocks everywhere! |
| 22:37.57 | Shouryuu|bonkers | Bork bork bork bork |
| 22:38.12 | Shouryuu|Schizo | I have a fan club! |
| 22:38.23 | Shouryuu|swedish | Leet's make a chocolate-ah moose! |
| 22:38.23 | Shouryuu|boobies | No, I do! |
| 22:38.38 | Shouryuu|Schizo | booobies... *drool* |
| 22:39.10 | Shouryuu|Schizo | I think the average IQ of the room dropped by 100 points since I joined |
| 22:39.10 | Shouryuu|swedish | We Shouryuu knews a-everytheen! |
| 22:39.52 | Shouryuu|boobies | Zis iz not pozzibble! How iz zees? I doo not underztant zees! |
| 22:40.06 | Shouryuu|Schizo | lol |
| 22:40.08 | Shouryuu|swedish | EE do! |
| 22:40.19 | Shouryuu|Schizo | Well the *REAL* shouryuu needs to sleep |
| 22:40.24 | Shouryuu|Schizo | so I'm /waving you all |
| 22:40.26 | Shouryuu|swedish | No I don't! |
| 22:40.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-68-127-175-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 22:40.32 | Shouryuu|boobies | I don't either |
| 22:40.36 | Shouryuu|Schizo | bear with the idiots |
| 22:40.45 | Shouryuu|Schizo | So then I'm the real one :D |
| 22:40.49 | Shouryuu|Schizo | aww BULLLY! |
| 22:40.54 | Shouryuu|boobies | No you aren't he is |
| 22:40.55 | Shouryuu|sleep | I'm sleeping |
| 22:41.06 | Shouryuu|Schizo | You don't have my exit meesage |
| 22:41.07 | Shouryuu|awake | No you aren't |
| 22:41.09 | Tem | this is very very confusing |
| 22:41.10 | Cairenn | okay, that's enough |
| 22:41.14 | Shouryuu|sleep | heh heh |
| 22:41.22 | Shouryuu|Schizo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.31 | groll | hmm who is it that made clearfont again? |
| 22:41.37 | kirkburn | me |
| 22:41.38 | Shouryuu|awake | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:41.45 | groll | ok kirkburn small question |
| 22:41.51 | kirkburn | shoot |
| 22:41.54 | groll | i dled it from ui.worldofwar |
| 22:42.12 | groll | now i got clearfont v1...-1 |
| 22:42.16 | groll | and then i got -2 aswell |
| 22:42.24 | groll | in the ui menu ingame that is |
| 22:42.29 | groll | u canged something? |
| 22:42.36 | groll | changed |
| 22:42.41 | Shouryuu|awake | He wants to say yes |
| 22:42.50 | kirkburn | yes I did |
| 22:43.02 | malreth | hey, a light blue posted on our forum |
| 22:43.03 | groll | ok so just untick the 1 version i guess |
| 22:43.05 | Tem | Anyone have any experience with loading Models? |
| 22:43.10 | groll | and remove all of it later on i geuss |
| 22:43.13 | groll | ok thanks |
| 22:43.16 | Kirkburn5 | Wait up! |
| 22:43.20 | Kirkburn5 | I'm the real one btw |
| 22:43.29 | Ktron | groll, I was imposterizing |
| 22:43.34 | groll | grumble |
| 22:43.40 | Kirkburn | Delete the "ClearFont" folder, leave the "!ClearFont! one |
| 22:43.50 | Kirkburn | *"!ClearFont" |
| 22:43.57 | Tem | malreth: link? |
| 22:44.03 | groll | ye thought so, but it wont interfere i guess if i just untick it ingame |
| 22:44.18 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=345893&p=2 |
| 22:44.18 | groll | it looks really neat btw :D |
| 22:44.21 | Kirkburn | Make sure u untick the -1 version, but yeah :) |
| 22:44.26 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 22:44.29 | groll | ya i did |
| 22:44.31 | Kirkburn | Glad to hear it |
| 22:44.48 | Kirkburn | It's nice that the on/off toggle actually does something now |
| 22:44.58 | malreth | hahahah.... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=346789&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 22:45.28 | Ktron | cheers for nickswapping |
| 22:46.10 | Kirkburn | Lol malreth |
| 22:46.58 | Kirkburn | Yay for you and your collection of font thread links |
| 22:47.12 | malreth | i'm gonna add to it... like a rubber band ball |
| 22:47.21 | malreth | and it'll get bigger... and bigger... |
| 22:48.53 | Kirkburn | Why must people put what they say in italics? |
| 22:49.12 | Kirkburn | it just looks kinda rude |
| 22:49.33 | malreth | no, calling someone a 'moron' is rude |
| 22:49.54 | Kirkburn | That too |
| 22:50.00 | Kirkburn | But it comes across as so high-and0mighty |
| 22:50.33 | Kirkburn | Which reminds ... what has happened to fontabulous ... |
| 22:50.38 | malreth | the thing is a lot of the people are posting for the first time... |
| 22:50.48 | malreth | look at the posting history for these trolls and ranters |
| 22:51.01 | Kirkburn | Or they've just learnt to use a keyboard |
| 22:51.12 | malreth | they're lv 60 characters with zero posts other than the ones they just made on UI&Macros |
| 22:51.22 | malreth | it's like they're comign out of the woodwork |
| 22:51.26 | malreth | just to flame |
| 22:51.52 | Ktron | They're drawn to fire |
| 22:51.53 | Ktron | like moths |
| 22:51.55 | malreth | they woke up today and thought, "oh, i've never posted here before. lemme go call someone a moron." |
| 22:52.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge duke|ib (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:52.27 | Kirkburn | Is that normal? |
| 22:52.29 | malreth | they they go beat themselves off while watching patrick swayze movies |
| 22:52.39 | Kirkburn | Dirty Dancing, mmm |
| 22:53.13 | Kirkburn | But he's such a ravishing hottie! |
| 22:53.29 | iriel|Working | Makes you wonder how many of the followup posts are alts of the original poster |
| 22:54.05 | Kirov | Do we have a list of blocked functions someplace? |
| 22:54.19 | iriel|Working | The sticky changes thread on the forum, perhaps? 8-) |
| 22:54.33 | malreth | well, the sigs would give that away |
| 22:54.42 | Kirov | 1.9? |
| 22:54.42 | iriel|Working | Though I missed one |
| 22:55.21 | malreth | okay... i'm headed home. later later peoples |
| 22:55.26 | Cairenn | later malreth |
| 22:55.30 | Kirkburn | later later |
| 22:56.12 | iriel|Working | Kirov : 1.10 |
| 22:56.23 | iriel|Working | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=286548 |
| 22:56.24 | Kirov | Yeah, just found it. |
| 22:56.40 | iriel|Working | Jump wasn't on my list, I just added it |
| 22:57.36 | Kirkburn | I just logged in with the newest ctraid |
| 22:57.41 | Kirkburn | NINETY SIX ERRORS |
| 22:57.49 | Kirkburn | 96 |
| 22:57.57 | Natasem | did you do a fresh install of it ? |
| 22:58.09 | Kirov | I'm having someone complain that my mod is causing errors, but I don't hook any of those functions. Trying to make sure my mod isn't doing it before I go tell them they're a dumb ass, or rather "Another of your mods is causing the issue. Disable my mod and any others that pop up until the issue goes away. The last one you disable was the one causing the issue." |
| 22:58.10 | Tain | I bet it uses Clearfonts |
| 22:59.11 | iriel|Working | Kirov : Do you CALL any of those functions? |
| 22:59.23 | iriel|Working | Kirov : Because that gives you the same error message. |
| 22:59.29 | Tem | anyone have any experience loading models in game? |
| 22:59.47 | Tem | I can't seem to get them to be anything but a solid box |
| 23:00.39 | iriel|Working | Tem: None whatsoever 8-) |
| 23:00.53 | Tem | me either and theres not much at the wiki |
| 23:01.21 | Tem | oh well it's not important |
| 23:01.44 | Tem | I just thought it would be cool to use the quest exclamation mark model for something |
| 23:02.11 | Kirov | hmm... UseContainerItem(), CastSpellByName(), CastSpell(), and UseAction() are the ones I hook, and I only use UseContainerItem() |
| 23:02.15 | Kirkburn | Natasem, thanks for pointing that out |
| 23:02.22 | Kirkburn | No errors this time |
| 23:02.24 | Kirov | (outside of the hook) |
| 23:03.00 | Kirov | Me thinks it's another mod, unless CastSpellByName is protected |
| 23:03.20 | iriel|Working | Kirov: And what DO you hook? |
| 23:03.47 | Kirov | Iriel - those 4 functions |
| 23:03.58 | iriel|Working | Oh, Sorry, misread that. |
| 23:04.14 | Kirov | tested CastSpellByName, not protected |
| 23:04.35 | iriel|Working | A whole LOT of stuff would have broken if any of those were protected |
| 23:04.36 | Kirov | mkay, now lets see if ui.worldofwar.net will let me post .... |
| 23:07.58 | Kirov | Ooo, I call CancelPlayerBuff too |
| 23:08.23 | Kirov | But I know that's not the problem since it was working last night |
| 23:08.39 | iriel|Working | It's almost certainly your user's other addons |
| 23:09.08 | Kirov | yeah |
| 23:09.10 | iriel|Working | I'm not sure if wow flags the first or last tainting mechanism, chances are they have something which hooks movement and then calls a cast, and that's messing them up |
| 23:09.25 | iriel|Working | Or they'er doing a cast and then a protected function from another addon |
| 23:10.47 | Miravlix | Anyone else having problems with getting error message like "attempt to index a nil value" with no file or anything |
| 23:13.33 | Kirov | ? |
| 23:14.39 | Miravlix | They broke the error reporter |
| 23:14.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kolth` (n=amoeba@c-24-22-17-70.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:14.59 | Miravlix | I have no idea where an error is comming from anymore |
| 23:15.28 | Miravlix | So anyone got a good random predicter choice that can choose between 170+ addons to find the one with my nil error |
| 23:15.54 | Miravlix | Like this damn changes isn't hard enough to spot already |
| 23:17.26 | Tem | anyone have a copy of MyWarcraftStudio? |
| 23:17.38 | Tem | only place I can find to download it is Curse, and they are down |
| 23:18.13 | Tain | Firefox just crashed on me downloading EquipCompare. I blame you, Tem. |
| 23:18.25 | Tem | ok |
| 23:18.39 | Tem | Oh I think I just found a german site that's hosting it |
| 23:18.59 | Cairenn | so when you can get there, ask the author to upload elsewhere, and sorry, no I don't ... I've got the WoWModel Viewer, but not MyWarcraftStudio |
| 23:19.15 | Tem | that'll do Cairenn |
| 23:19.15 | Cairenn | oh, no, wait, yes I do |
| 23:19.17 | Cairenn | here |
| 23:19.19 | Tem | either one |
| 23:19.24 | Tem | I just need to load some models |
| 23:19.30 | Cairenn | you can't DSS, right? |
| 23:19.34 | Tem | to make sure I'm trying to load the right one in game |
| 23:19.42 | Tem | right, my firewall doesn't play nice |
| 23:19.51 | Kirov | I have both |
| 23:19.55 | Kirov | as well |
| 23:20.07 | Cairenn | hang tight, get you both in a sec here |
| 23:20.29 | Kirov | Cairenn - do you have the updated version of wowmodelviewer or the original? |
| 23:20.43 | Cairenn | not sure which version I have, sec |
| 23:21.15 | Cairenn | Modified: Thursday, December 22, 2005, 3:45:09 AM |
| 23:22.03 | Kirov | january 6th on mine |
| 23:23.20 | Kirov | How many relics have people seen? |
| 23:23.39 | Tem | 0 |
| 23:25.50 | Tem | I just found this site and I'm VERY impressed with the look |
| 23:26.21 | Tem | http://wow.jeuxonline.info/ |
| 23:29.16 | Kirov | wow, that's a pretty site |
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| 23:31.47 | Tain | Well everything I use works. |
| 23:35.11 | Osagasu | Is it just me or is Cast Options causing a shitload more lag now? |
| 23:36.09 | Miravlix | Update to latest Alpha, I've fixed it I beleive |
| 23:36.29 | Osagasu | were you talking to me, Mira? |
| 23:36.36 | Gryphen | Yes |
| 23:36.43 | Osagasu | kk |
| 23:37.19 | Osagasu | I was lagging for 10 and 15 seconds at a time, I had to disable it, which really throws off my game. >.< |
| 23:38.33 | Ktron | is it just me, or is the newest version of flexbar whacked up yet too? |
| 23:38.44 | Ktron | s/newest/current version I have/ |
| 23:38.55 | Gryphen | i havent had any issues with castoptions even before the *fix* |
| 23:38.59 | Miravlix | Orsag: Yes |
| 23:39.41 | Miravlix | Do you use healabort, gryph? |
| 23:42.13 | Gryphen | no |
| 23:45.57 | Miravlix | Thats what is running in an onupdate and could cause lag for upgraders |
| 23:49.31 | Miravlix | Aah, talent wipe on my priests |
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| 23:52.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine_ (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 23:53.05 | Guillotine | hmmm. can't dl anything from WoWI |
| 23:53.14 | Tain | pwned! |
| 23:53.56 | Cairenn | give it a minute |
| 23:54.49 | Guillotine | "The site database appears to be down." |
| 23:55.12 | Cairenn | yeah, I know |
| 23:55.20 | Guillotine | ok :) |
| 23:57.05 | Tain | I'm going to be able to order myself a new computer next week. I can barely contain my excitement. |
| 23:59.22 | Cairenn | dolby just checked in, mysql crashed hard, he couldn't even halt it, server is rebooting now ... |
