| 00:00.03 | Kirov | blp2tga is better |
| 00:00.03 | AnduinLothar | gonna have to make those turns from scratch |
| 00:00.18 | AnduinLothar | do you have a psd for the arros kirov? |
| 00:00.35 | Kirov | heh, just closed photoshop |
| 00:00.36 | AnduinLothar | with the border/bg on a layer |
| 00:01.05 | AnduinLothar | did you make a master file or edit them in each file? |
| 00:01.35 | Iriel | Damn priests |
| 00:01.37 | Kirov | each file |
| 00:01.44 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 00:01.47 | Kirov | gunna redo it though |
| 00:01.52 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 00:02.29 | cladhaire | Iriel: Hey.. I heal your pet =) |
| 00:02.57 | Ktron | AnduinLothar, what's MovePad do?M |
| 00:02.57 | Iriel | Druids heal my pet |
| 00:03.05 | AnduinLothar | it moves you |
| 00:03.14 | Kirov | Anduin - sorry, being a perfectionist |
| 00:03.19 | Iriel | (We dont have many priests in my guild, 90% of my priest experiences have been on the receiving end of SW:P in PvP) |
| 00:03.30 | cladhaire | Ack.. understandable hatred then =) |
| 00:03.32 | AnduinLothar | no worrie |
| 00:03.49 | AnduinLothar | i had to scrap my lock completely twice |
| 00:04.15 | Kirov | My girl friend is a priest |
| 00:04.39 | Kirov | well, she's a warlock, got pissed off at the fear PVE nerf, and plays a priest now |
| 00:05.29 | Iriel | She's a Warlock who plays a Priest? |
| 00:06.27 | Kirov | yeah |
| 00:06.41 | ckknight | warlocks have bad vibes |
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| 00:08.12 | Norque | :( my vibes arent that bad... are they? |
| 00:08.28 | Kirov | hmm, I was afraid of that |
| 00:08.56 | Kirov | evil indexed color, 8bit alpha blp images |
| 00:10.09 | Ktron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=353982 |
| 00:10.19 | AnduinLothar | whee too many apps open |
| 00:10.26 | AnduinLothar | yay for ram |
| 00:10.27 | Ktron | Now _that's_ a story |
| 00:10.54 | Ktron | Iriel, at your request I will change the name 'Bob Fitch' to something else |
| 00:11.09 | Ktron | Otherwise, I think it's fine to let it stand and see what people's reactions are |
| 00:12.18 | ckknight | it seems like it could be real |
| 00:12.20 | Iriel | Ktron : I suspect people will find that one too plausible given the context (regardless of it not being accurate at all) |
| 00:12.23 | ckknight | cause you like list a name and everything |
| 00:13.55 | Kirov | That's all %100 fact |
| 00:14.20 | Kirov | or, rather, %100 flak |
| 00:15.17 | AnduinLothar | hmm, that turn doesn't look too bad as a tga |
| 00:17.19 | AnduinLothar | i'll have to try the blp2tga |
| 00:17.20 | Iriel | I've never worked in the game industry unless you count my Architect business in Star Wars; Galaxies |
| 00:17.39 | Iriel | Because that FELT like a job |
| 00:17.45 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 00:18.28 | zenzelezz | I find SWG to be an ongoing saga |
| 00:18.35 | zenzelezz | you never know what they'll "fix" next |
| 00:18.40 | ckknight | what does QFT mean? |
| 00:18.45 | Iriel | I got out before the big changes |
| 00:18.49 | Iriel | Quoted For Truth |
| 00:18.50 | zenzelezz | quoted for truth |
| 00:19.02 | zenzelezz | or quantum field technology |
| 00:19.18 | Iriel | I imagine there's QFGJ (Quoted For Great Justice) out there too |
| 00:23.28 | zenzelezz | what was it I saw someone say in PCGamer... "Star Wars Galaxies is like giving up smoking - each patch helps you quit" |
| 00:23.38 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 00:24.18 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:25.37 | AnduinLothar | so i made the highlight a flay color isntead of an alpha |
| 00:26.11 | AnduinLothar | not sure if it'll owrk |
| 00:27.26 | AnduinLothar | i sure am glad i can run my browser + mail + 2 browsers + photoshop + irc + wow at the same time... |
| 00:27.49 | AnduinLothar | my compy at work only has 512 ram and chokes on anything.. but it has a faster proc... it's sad |
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| 00:31.16 | AnduinLothar | why look, it's net |
| 00:31.28 | NeT | =) |
| 00:32.24 | AnduinLothar | i ahven't been able to update any of my mods... they all time out before i get to the version pages |
| 00:32.54 | NeT | on cg ? |
| 00:33.01 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 00:33.09 | NeT | Site is running smooth now |
| 00:33.14 | NeT | you should try again |
| 00:33.58 | AnduinLothar | there we go. took 10 seconds to load tho |
| 00:34.04 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/arrowsbuttons.zip |
| 00:34.20 | NeT | We have now find out what was wrong on the website heh, it s basicly php that manage all the download system so it create a lot of apache process |
| 00:34.40 | NeT | and when it s patch day everyone download so the site get uber slow |
| 00:34.57 | NeT | we move to a ftp download system next week |
| 00:35.03 | AnduinLothar | probably need to have some sort of low bandwidth mode |
| 00:35.24 | Iriel | I'm not sure i've heard anyone move *TO* FTP download in the last 5 years 8-) |
| 00:35.31 | NeT | bandwith isn t the problem in europe BW is nearly free |
| 00:35.36 | AnduinLothar | nice kirov, do those convert cleanly to blp? |
| 00:35.42 | Kirov | er |
| 00:35.43 | Kirov | opps |
| 00:35.51 | Kirov | yes |
| 00:35.53 | Kirov | they should |
| 00:36.06 | AnduinLothar | would you plz :) |
| 00:36.34 | Iriel | NeT: Why not just do the downloads out of static or cached pages? |
| 00:36.39 | NeT | anything wrong in what i said iriel ? ;p |
| 00:37.05 | AnduinLothar | gah! wow just crashed AGAIN UNPLAYABLE! |
| 00:37.22 | Kirov | Anduin - get it again |
| 00:38.01 | Iriel | NeT: Just that FTP isn't really the protocol of choice for downloads |
| 00:38.16 | AnduinLothar | not found |
| 00:38.41 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/arrowbuttons.zip |
| 00:38.48 | Iriel | NeT: It can have issues with NAT amongst other things, and i'm not sure how that'd solve server load issues over http |
| 00:38.56 | Kirov | no s on the "arrow" |
| 00:39.17 | Iriel | NeT: But I guess it does depend where the php->plain filesystem fetch crossover happens (if at all) |
| 00:39.40 | NeT | i m not the tech pro i know how we have our infrastucture |
| 00:39.43 | Tain | Of course bandwidth is still a problem, Bandwidth over a length of time is easy, it's the tens thousands hitting it all at once that is the problem. |
| 00:39.45 | AnduinLothar | gah, you didn't rename them either :P |
| 00:40.03 | NeT | Tain not when you have 300 mb in/out |
| 00:40.04 | Kirov | hehe |
| 00:40.08 | Kirov | I'll let you do that one |
| 00:40.10 | Kirov | wait |
| 00:40.11 | Kirov | hmm |
| 00:40.16 | Tain | Tell that to the people playing EverQuest in Europe each patch day. :) |
| 00:40.18 | AnduinLothar | next is up? |
| 00:40.26 | AnduinLothar | prev is down? |
| 00:40.26 | Kirov | yes |
| 00:40.48 | Kirov | except those aren't the right images |
| 00:40.52 | Iriel | Tain: I think Net's point is that, as far as HIS infrastructure is concerned, they're CPU bound not network bandwidth bound |
| 00:41.26 | NeT | it wasn t even cpu it was the ram basicly |
| 00:41.35 | NeT | with all the apache process |
| 00:41.36 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 00:41.42 | Tain | DAmn, and I thought we were talking about WoW. |
| 00:41.47 | AnduinLothar | oh u converted the others back? |
| 00:42.18 | Tain | That that point you also might have to worry about disk bottlenecks too. |
| 00:42.47 | Kirov | try again |
| 00:42.49 | AnduinLothar | meh, my disk bottlenecks all the time with wow... stupid mac client eats ram |
| 00:42.53 | Kirov | should be the right ones now |
| 00:42.57 | Kirov | afk for work stuff |
| 00:42.59 | NeT | Iriel can you pm me here _ |
| 00:43.02 | NeT | ? |
| 00:43.43 | AnduinLothar | just cause the OS CAN handle your ram doesn't mean you should give it unlimited.. |
| 00:43.53 | NeT | gah need to register to answer one single pm |
| 00:44.16 | NeT | Iriel are you on any other network ? |
| 00:44.30 | Iriel | Not usefully, but you can email if you want 8-) |
| 00:44.33 | Iriel | iriel@iriel.org should work |
| 00:44.39 | Iriel | and if it doesn't work, please tell me 8-) |
| 00:45.22 | Iriel | You should register here anyway, all the cool kids do |
| 00:45.25 | Iriel | Right, cool kids? |
| 00:45.35 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't know :( |
| 00:45.57 | NeT | gonna register fast |
| 00:46.09 | AnduinLothar | Fabulous Kirov, those are perfect! |
| 00:48.02 | Iriel | It's Fabulous Kirov, the master of alpha, helper out AnduinLothar, gave him what he was afta'! |
| 00:48.11 | Iriel | s/helper/helped/ |
| 00:48.12 | Iriel | Bah |
| 00:48.46 | AnduinLothar | not onyl that but with his tga's i can construct a psd file master |
| 00:49.23 | ckknight | it'd be fun to play Saw the game |
| 00:49.32 | ckknight | but only if I were the old guy, the mastermind of it all |
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| 00:57.41 | Ktron | talk to Iriel, heh heh |
| 01:03.29 | Iriel | I hate "What mod is the best" threads |
| 01:06.00 | AnduinLothar | mine is! |
| 01:06.07 | AnduinLothar | are* |
| 01:06.11 | AnduinLothar | were |
| 01:06.15 | AnduinLothar | will be* |
| 01:08.31 | Ktron | I wish you could use *'s in Google searches |
| 01:08.43 | Ktron | for example, if I want to find only types of -isms |
| 01:10.20 | Norque | anyone know of any sites that have spell lists for each locale? |
| 01:10.33 | AnduinLothar | the wiki might |
| 01:10.49 | AnduinLothar | otherwise there are a ton in CastOptions |
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| 01:12.32 | cladhaire | Do GetTop(), GetLeft(), etc. return nil at any point that I should be aware of? |
| 01:12.49 | ckknight | if they aren't attached to anything |
| 01:13.05 | AnduinLothar | was that fixed? they used to do so onload |
| 01:13.27 | Iriel | Do they return nil then?; or do they just return a crazy value? |
| 01:13.47 | cladhaire | *ponder* my code is being called at ADDON_LOADED, and I'm getting nil for Left and Top, but the scale returns just fine. |
| 01:14.00 | Iriel | cladhaire : Is your frame anchored to anything? |
| 01:14.14 | Iriel | cladhaire : Every frame knows its scale, so that's not surprising |
| 01:14.47 | cladhaire | Iriel: At this point, no.. so it would be in magical limbo-- hence the issue. Thanks =) Just needed another brain :P |
| 01:15.03 | Iriel | cladhaire : Well, ckknight suggested that first 8-) |
| 01:15.21 | Iriel | cladhaire : So his brain gets the first credit |
| 01:15.43 | Iriel | You might not want to touch it though, we dont know where it's been, however it's rumored to involve snails. |
| 01:18.32 | cladhaire | Thanks ck =) |
| 01:19.15 | ckknight | :-) |
| 01:19.23 | ckknight | I've had the issue before |
| 01:21.22 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 01:21.51 | AnduinLothar | photoshop is fun :) |
| 01:23.38 | kremonte | doodooodoo |
| 01:23.39 | cladhaire | Did we ever figure out a way to use OnMouseDown AND be able to differentiate it from OnClick? |
| 01:24.24 | kremonte | i dont get how you could differentiate them =x |
| 01:24.28 | cladhaire | Cause OnDragStart gives you that off margin. |
| 01:24.35 | cladhaire | me netiher.. but didn't know if anyone had pulled any magic tricks |
| 01:26.44 | ckknight | OnClick happens on the mouse up, not down |
| 01:27.14 | cladhaire | Does it? |
| 01:27.18 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:27.27 | cladhaire | Thats what I was hoping for, but I'm still not sure how to simulate a drag |
| 01:27.35 | cladhaire | since all my frames need to receive clicks for click-casting |
| 01:27.45 | ckknight | oh |
| 01:27.49 | ckknight | I do that in BP |
| 01:27.52 | ckknight | err, FuBar now |
| 01:27.57 | kremonte | FB :p |
| 01:28.03 | cladhaire | *nod*, but you don't need to receive clicks as well on the frame, correct? |
| 01:28.11 | cladhaire | or maybe you do. |
| 01:28.13 | ckknight | yea I do |
| 01:28.18 | ckknight | depending on the plugin |
| 01:28.27 | ckknight | if you click LocationFu, the map opens |
| 01:28.30 | cladhaire | k.. any place in particular I should look? |
| 01:28.37 | ckknight | but if you drag it somewhere else, it changes |
| 01:28.49 | ckknight | I mean, it won't click |
| 01:29.07 | cladhaire | By your choice, correct? |
| 01:29.12 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 01:29.27 | ckknight | for me, I had it so that if the mouse down was 8 or more pixels away from the mouse up, it wouldn't do the click |
| 01:29.49 | cladhaire | got a line/file for me? =) |
| 01:30.00 | ckknight | it's sorta complicated |
| 01:30.01 | ckknight | but hang on |
| 01:30.07 | cladhaire | it may not work for what i'm trying to do.. but it would be nice to look at either way |
| 01:30.48 | ckknight | okay |
| 01:31.06 | ckknight | in BossPanel.lua (or FuBar.lua), just search for the first instance of OnMouseDown |
| 01:31.21 | cladhaire | K.. thanks. |
| 01:31.29 | kremonte | hm |
| 01:31.33 | kremonte | personally, i would make it timed |
| 01:31.47 | ckknight | why? |
| 01:31.56 | ckknight | what if I want to press down, then press up 5 seconds later? |
| 01:31.58 | ckknight | it's still a click |
| 01:32.04 | ckknight | if it doesn't do anything else |
| 01:32.05 | ckknight | like drag |
| 01:32.11 | kremonte | yeah but if they hold it down for like 10 seconds |
| 01:32.16 | kremonte | i doubt it was meant to be clicked :p |
| 01:32.34 | ckknight | says you |
| 01:32.40 | ckknight | I did mine based on position |
| 01:32.49 | ckknight | I may change it to have a 2 second timer, later, though |
| 01:32.55 | ckknight | as well as position |
| 01:33.03 | kremonte | yeah that sounds more accurate |
| 01:33.05 | kremonte | imo |
| 01:33.17 | kremonte | time is a pain in the ass tho :/ onupdate ftl |
| 01:33.25 | ckknight | no it isn't |
| 01:33.37 | kremonte | i hate using onupdates tho |
| 01:33.39 | kremonte | soo |
| 01:33.43 | ckknight | you don't need OnUpdate |
| 01:33.45 | ckknight | that's what I'm saying |
| 01:33.47 | kremonte | eh? |
| 01:33.49 | kremonte | how? ._. |
| 01:33.58 | kremonte | oh |
| 01:33.59 | ckknight | OnMouseDown: this.t = GetTime() |
| 01:33.59 | kremonte | nevermind |
| 01:34.03 | kremonte | yeah |
| 01:34.07 | ckknight | OnClick: GetTime() - this.t < 2 |
| 01:34.13 | kremonte | yupyup |
| 01:34.30 | kremonte | see my brain isn't yet developed :p |
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| 01:50.38 | Kirov | home time |
| 01:50.51 | Kirov | glad those worked, Anduin |
| 02:19.13 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 02:19.18 | ckknight | ~wave Iriel |
| 02:19.19 | purl | Bye, Iriel |
| 02:20.06 | JoshBorke | ~wave iriel |
| 02:20.07 | purl | Bye, iriel |
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| 02:29.56 | Iriel | ok, really going home now |
| 02:30.18 | Cairenn | drive safe |
| 02:30.23 | Cairenn | watch out for the idiots |
| 02:30.35 | Iriel | most of them are home now, i hope |
| 02:39.21 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Husk_of_Nerub%27enkan |
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| 02:43.55 | Norque | a very... ermm... interesting article :S |
| 02:49.08 | ckknight | that made me laugh |
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| 03:05.03 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:05.10 | Cairenn | hey Esamynn |
| 03:05.18 | karlkfi_ | moo |
| 03:15.26 | cladhaire | KarlKFI: Have you run into issues with GetTop() GetLeft() Returning nil? |
| 03:20.30 | Esamynn | I did once, pre-1.8 or something, but calling those functions is now supposed to make the engine resolve the frame's location, assuming it has a position of course |
| 03:22.00 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 03:22.05 | cladhaire | and my frames have positions at the point i'm calling |
| 03:22.07 | karlkfi_ | yes |
| 03:22.54 | karlkfi_ | those functions are not reliable until after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 03:23.15 | Esamynn | are you calling the functions before PLAYER_LOGIN? I never did go back and test whether they would relibaly force a resolve before that event |
| 03:23.23 | karlkfi_ | technically PLAYER_LOGIN too |
| 03:23.30 | karlkfi_ | which is right before |
| 03:23.30 | cladhaire | I'm calling it at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 03:23.43 | Esamynn | you'd want to use PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 03:24.12 | karlkfi_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
| 03:25.08 | Esamynn | oooh, can I feel special since someone is getting a good use out of a page I wrote for the wiki? ;) |
| 03:25.49 | karlkfi_ | i use that page frequently actually, cause i always forget the order |
| 03:26.17 | Esamynn | :) |
| 03:26.34 | Esamynn | ok, i'm done basking ;) |
| 03:26.41 | cladhaire | Doesn't resolve my issue-- and wouldn't have mattered, I was using the later event. |
| 03:26.56 | karlkfi_ | no worries, my pages don't get read unless i take a current page and rewrite it |
| 03:27.20 | Esamynn | so you are getting nil then I take it cladhaire |
| 03:27.34 | karlkfi_ | is it shown? |
| 03:27.41 | Esamynn | shouldn't need to be |
| 03:27.56 | karlkfi_ | cause there might have been optimization changes for frames that haven't been shown yet |
| 03:27.58 | cladhaire | Esamynn: Yes I am, and they are shown |
| 03:28.13 | karlkfi_ | pastebin |
| 03:28.34 | cladhaire | its a bunch of code, give me a second. |
| 03:29.11 | Esamynn | when I did my original investigations into those functions, it prompted slouken to do a round of optimization after which, the Get functions were supposed to force the engine to resolve the frame's position just like :Show() does |
| 03:29.21 | karlkfi_ | no worries, i'm still waiting for abuild to copy... takes like an hour.. |
| 03:29.23 | Esamynn | never did go back to test it properly though |
| 03:29.31 | cladhaire | Esamynn: *nod* that was my understanding as well |
| 03:29.53 | cladhaire | I think i fixed it, which is.. annoying to say the least. |
| 03:29.58 | cladhaire | cause its still an isue |
| 03:30.18 | karlkfi_ | if they no longer work and can be verified we can get it fixed, but the fact that i haven't run into issues yet with existing mods makes me think its a code bug |
| 03:30.37 | cladhaire | GetCenter() return the answer, and calling it first resolves GetTop and GetLeft |
| 03:30.40 | cladhaire | which .. is.. odd. |
| 03:30.49 | Esamynn | that is odd |
| 03:31.00 | Esamynn | try and find a minimum case to reproduce it |
| 03:31.04 | karlkfi_ | make a test case |
| 03:31.08 | karlkfi_ | :) |
| 03:31.10 | cladhaire | I'm seeing it if affects the whole chain. |
| 03:31.12 | cladhaire | i am/will |
| 03:32.16 | cladhaire | so how's this createframe nonsense work? |
| 03:32.50 | cladhaire | so i can make the test case lua only? |
| 03:34.15 | karlkfi_ | i'd recomend against it |
| 03:34.17 | Esamynn | frame = CreateFrame("<frameType>", name, parent) |
| 03:34.22 | Esamynn | but do xml instead |
| 03:34.28 | karlkfi_ | might yield different results |
| 03:34.41 | Esamynn | frame = CreateFrame("<frameType>"[, name][, parent]) |
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| 03:36.05 | Esamynn | if it does, than that is interesting as well though |
| 03:39.02 | cladhaire | got a case,posting in a second |
| 03:41.51 | cladhaire | Hrm |
| 03:42.01 | cladhaire | I can't fix the issue when using dynamic frames it seems.. not sure why hold please. |
| 03:42.53 | cladhaire | this is the gist tho |
| 03:42.53 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastebin.com/641429 |
| 03:46.22 | Esamynn | cladhaire: they need a height and width.... |
| 03:46.45 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.01 | cladhaire | they should have them at this point.. maybe i'll have to look again |
| 03:47.12 | Esamynn | not in the sample you posted |
| 03:47.18 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:47.24 | ckknight | cladhaire, I told you you needed a height and width |
| 03:47.29 | cladhaire | but yes, that would explain most of my issues |
| 03:47.32 | ckknight | or to setpoint to another one to achieve a height and width |
| 03:47.34 | cladhaire | Esamynn: Yeah it was dumbed down. |
| 03:47.41 | cladhaire | I have to check my code |
| 03:47.44 | cladhaire | *ponder* |
| 03:47.49 | ckknight | ~ponder |
| 03:47.51 | purl | Wuh, I think so, ckknight, but if we didn't have ears, we'd look like weasels. |
| 03:49.29 | karlkfi_ | :) pinky |
| 03:49.41 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:49.45 | cladhaire | Esamynn: Then why does it work when I use GetCenter()? |
| 03:49.55 | cladhaire | I'm verifying that they have sizes |
| 03:50.19 | Esamynn | I wonder if GetCenter works on frames without any size, that might even make sense |
| 03:50.43 | cladhaire | all frames have sizes when GetLeft() GetTop() is being called. |
| 03:50.47 | cladhaire | and they return values. |
| 03:51.27 | Esamynn | post a "working" minimum example |
| 03:51.33 | Esamynn | so we can test it |
| 03:51.55 | Esamynn | please |
| 03:52.06 | cladhaire | I'm trying. |
| 03:57.46 | cladhaire | here's the XML and the lua |
| 03:57.51 | cladhaire | I can't fix this one with GetCenter() tho O.o |
| 03:57.56 | cladhaire | gonna try some more nonsense. |
| 03:57.57 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastebin.com/641443 |
| 04:01.48 | cladhaire | when it comes down to it, i doesn't matter-- this was just a temporary set of defaults anchors, but its been kinda annoying |
| 04:02.54 | cladhaire | Here's the current code, I may be doing something insanely stupid.. but I can't find it: |
| 04:02.54 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastebin.com/641448 |
| 04:03.55 | cladhaire | WatchDogFrame is defined the same as TestFrame in the test XML i sent, and each of the children is a Button defined with no anchor in the XML-- but the template has a default size (And I can verify that GetHeight/Width return values at this time). |
| 04:04.23 | cladhaire | If you get rid of the second f:GetCenter(), the code breaks |
| 04:05.07 | cladhaire | but don't worry about it too much.. i'll figure it out. |
| 04:08.35 | Miravlix | I either need to start playing WoW again or go crazy due to the 1.10 patch |
| 04:12.13 | Wobin_ | play a bit, clear your mind =)\ |
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| 04:16.39 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 04:17.24 | Iriel | Someone should write a mud interface to wow, if they haven't already |
| 04:17.41 | Iriel | Though looting and moving might be a bit difficult |
| 04:18.09 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 04:18.14 | Wobin_ | The Furbolgs [flash]DEATH CRY[/flash] echoes through the land! |
| 04:18.15 | Esamynn | clad: you still here? |
| 04:19.44 | Esamynn | sigh, he posted code and left before I finished verifying his results :( |
| 04:20.23 | Iriel | So like a man to paste and run |
| 04:20.30 | Wobin_ | send him botmail |
| 04:20.50 | Esamynn | ~botmail |
| 04:21.09 | Esamynn | interesting |
| 04:22.06 | Iriel | Hm, wouldn't a MemoServ memo be safer? |
| 04:22.12 | Wobin_ | probably =) |
| 04:22.19 | Wobin_ | But purl is so nifty to play around with |
| 04:22.45 | Wobin_ | And it depends on if Clad reauthenticates with a nick change |
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| 04:24.53 | Iriel | Mmmm, homecooked dinner |
| 04:25.28 | Miravlix | You live in the pancacke house? |
| 04:26.14 | Iriel | Heh, no. |
| 04:26.24 | Iriel | (though I used to make an awesome crepe, maybe I still do, it's been a while) |
| 04:27.13 | Miravlix | Remind me not to come for dinner then, I really doubt non pancake houses is any good cooked |
| 04:29.54 | Iriel | Hm, a new addon idea: HoneyDo |
| 04:30.03 | Iriel | It pops up a list of things you should do before you wander off anywhere |
| 04:30.09 | Iriel | Like "Create Some Water" |
| 04:30.11 | Iriel | "Buy Arrows" |
| 04:30.18 | Iriel | "Sell some Junk" |
| 04:30.21 | Iriel | "Train Mining" |
| 04:30.53 | Iriel | "Spend A Talent Point" |
| 04:31.05 | zenzelezz | I swear Rich Thorium veins are all over until you get high enough skill to mine them |
| 04:31.10 | zenzelezz | then they're all Small |
| 04:32.26 | Iriel | Oh, another one "Unequip Your Fishing Rod" |
| 04:33.12 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:33.47 | Esamynn | I've just made a routine where I do all those things whenever I come in, then I don't have to worry about them ;) |
| 04:34.05 | Iriel | I play various classes, so I have no routine |
| 04:34.17 | Iriel | I just found myself surrounded by Moonrange Gluttons with no food or water |
| 04:34.32 | zenzelezz | I have a tendency to fly somewhere and then, in the middle of nowhere, remember... "should've repaired" |
| 04:34.37 | Esamynn | yes, I suppose that would happen, I wouldn't really know since I play my druid almost exclusively |
| 04:34.52 | Esamynn | haha |
| 04:35.02 | Iriel | Ah, the Swiss-Army Class |
| 04:36.05 | Iriel | i suppose you get variety just being yourself |
| 04:36.22 | zenzelezz | finally almost high enough to do instances again \o/ Wish I'd started on the EU servers in the first place and not level to 60 on US before realizing the time zone sucked |
| 04:36.23 | Esamynn | :P I have been lvling a hunter alt for farming ;) |
| 04:36.51 | Iriel | the coolest class of all |
| 04:36.59 | Esamynn | Hunter = Easy Mode :P |
| 04:37.16 | Iriel | it has its own special challenges later on, especially indoors |
| 04:37.42 | Esamynn | how does being inside limit a hunter? |
| 04:37.55 | Iriel | Establishing range |
| 04:38.05 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 04:38.31 | Iriel | There can be some freakish pet issues too |
| 04:38.48 | Iriel | if they happen to attack something not directly accessible they can take some interesting, and aggro inducing, paths |
| 04:39.44 | Kirov | Gnomer gets you ready for those |
| 04:39.58 | Iriel | I shall speak not of Uldamann for those |
| 04:40.16 | Kirov | "Why is met pet running away from the mob ... through that big pack of mobs over there, and around the outside of the pillar?" |
| 04:40.40 | Esamynn | hahahaha |
| 04:40.44 | Wobin_ | Or "I jumped over this small hill... where's my pet? Oh look...he's made friends!" |
| 04:41.04 | Kirov | At least the UBRS one is fixed |
| 04:41.15 | Esamynn | well you hunters deserve it, with how you continually abuse your pets :P |
| 04:41.19 | Kirov | Pets jump down with you. |
| 04:41.50 | Kirov | I remember the time all the HUNTERS got their pets down fine, but the warlock's voidwalker ... |
| 04:42.08 | Kirov | Mid fight too |
| 04:42.20 | Kirov | He'd left his voidwalker upstairs because he didn't want to despawn it |
| 04:42.41 | Kirov | so, just before Rend ... warlock "opps" *mobs kill us all* |
| 04:42.50 | Wobin_ | Feh. Summoned demons don't keep the sentimentiaity as the pets do =) |
| 04:43.19 | Esamynn | omg, he forgot!!! |
| 04:43.21 | Wobin_ | I'm quite happy saccing my voidy at any time of the day |
| 04:43.21 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:43.29 | Wobin_ | But my cat? |
| 04:43.33 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 04:46.41 | Iriel | I've had my pet since level 12 or so, I couldn't give him up, or let him die if I had any choice in the matter |
| 04:46.44 | Iriel | Though often I dont |
| 04:47.05 | Wobin_ | I had my bear from ashenvale for ages |
| 04:47.11 | Wobin_ | He was named Yogi =( |
| 04:47.45 | Wobin_ | But I've had my Starving Mountain Lion since about 20something =) |
| 04:48.38 | Kirov | I had a bear from about level 16 on |
| 04:48.41 | Kirov | Paddington |
| 04:48.47 | zenzelezz | arr... 1.10 made Deathbone pretty good, some parts rivaling other +def gear... so naturally they put a mana tick on it >.< |
| 04:48.51 | Kirov | Now I have a cat named beaver. |
| 04:49.22 | Wobin_ | Mine is named Rawr |
| 04:49.49 | Wobin_ | I should get a bear and name him Choochoo |
| 04:58.29 | Cairenn | I get my cats as level 9's |
| 05:01.47 | Miravlix | Mine is named Spot and just schredded my arm |
| 05:02.13 | Miravlix | Oh wait your all being geeky and talking about virtual pets. |
| 05:02.51 | Wobin_ | Tamagotchi =) |
| 05:04.53 | Miravlix | My hunters Broken Tooth pet is named Moongazer |
| 05:04.59 | Iriel | I didn't make it to the barrens to find mine until later 8-( |
| 05:05.09 | Miravlix | Barens? |
| 05:05.18 | Miravlix | Mulgore has The Rake? |
| 05:05.37 | ckknight | yes |
| 05:05.42 | Cairenn | the only other one I get I get at level 20 |
| 05:05.43 | ckknight | in golden plains |
| 05:06.02 | Miravlix | Broken Tooth is 37 from The Badlands |
| 05:06.03 | Iriel | I dont try and get the uber pet everyone else has, I just pick one I like |
| 05:06.48 | Miravlix | Well, I'm a MM hunter, so only use my pet has is interupting spell casting |
| 05:07.09 | Miravlix | Broken tooth with 1.0 attack speed is nice for that |
| 05:07.13 | Cairenn | I either have a snow leopard, the tigers from the starting area for troll/orc, or either a white or black wind serpent |
| 05:07.46 | Cairenn | the leopard or tiger is level 9, the wind serpents are level 20 |
| 05:07.50 | Miravlix | I have Humarr and Takk in stables at the moment |
| 05:07.54 | Cairenn | and those are what I keep, all the way up |
| 05:08.25 | Miravlix | My hunter is NE, but I traveled to Mulgore at 10 to get The Rake |
| 05:08.42 | Miravlix | Going to get Lupus on my Orc hunter |
| 05:08.56 | Miravlix | Orcs just gotta have wolves |
| 05:09.56 | Miravlix | NE's can only use cats, feel pretty dumb shadowmelding with a visible pet. :p |
| 05:10.20 | Miravlix | I wish they would give us better customization of pets |
| 05:10.32 | Iriel | Do you mean VISIBLE customization? |
| 05:10.37 | Miravlix | So we could pick any look and then apply some template so it gets skills |
| 05:11.02 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 05:11.06 | Cairenn | I still want a zhevra *cry* |
| 05:11.08 | Miravlix | But nothing fancy |
| 05:11.14 | Iriel | I dunno, then everyone would min-max and have different looking pets, rather than 1 in 3 pets being identical |
| 05:11.17 | Miravlix | I tame a pet and thats how it looks |
| 05:11.21 | Iriel | which bugs me to no end |
| 05:11.42 | Iriel | Yeah, I wanted a Thunder Lizard for a while, a little one would do |
| 05:11.56 | Miravlix | Then I use a Tank HP, Tank Armor, Damage, Allround template to it |
| 05:12.43 | Miravlix | Spend training points to make it attack speed faster |
| 05:12.55 | Miravlix | sacrificing using points on something else |
| 05:13.42 | Miravlix | My worst mistake ever, gotta be that I retalented a legacy pet |
| 05:13.48 | Miravlix | It had all cat abilities |
| 05:14.01 | Wobin_ | aw |
| 05:14.02 | Miravlix | Because it was pre the limitation to skills it could learn |
| 05:15.02 | Miravlix | That really sucked, claw, cower, growl, prowl, dash |
| 05:15.52 | Miravlix | Must be nice haivng a level 60 pet with everything for old hunters |
| 05:16.17 | Iriel | Wait, but, why can't we get those now? (I haven't had to worry about it, I was 60 already when they changed pets) |
| 05:16.26 | Miravlix | You can only have 4 |
| 05:16.53 | Miravlix | So my template is Growl, Bite, Dash, Prowl |
| 05:17.16 | Miravlix | then at 60 I can re-talent out of Growl |
| 05:17.49 | Miravlix | But since SmartPet is dead, having claw and growl doesn't work anyway |
| 05:18.07 | Miravlix | But claw is nice for fighting mages |
| 05:18.13 | Miravlix | And bite is nice for others |
| 05:19.22 | Miravlix | Hmm, I can do /script OnOfPetBaility still? It just need a key? |
| 05:20.08 | Miravlix | I can recode SmartPet to setup things when I hit attack |
| 05:20.26 | Miravlix | Turn off growl if target is Player Controled. |
| 05:21.04 | Miravlix | Turn on bite if they are druid, paladin, mage, warlock |
| 05:21.12 | Miravlix | baah |
| 05:21.16 | Miravlix | Turn on claw, even |
| 05:24.35 | Iriel | Miravlix : Yes, I believe you just need the HW event and it works as normal |
| 05:25.12 | Miravlix | Hmm, /script if not IsPetAttackActive() then PetDefensiveMode() ToggleSpellAutocast(index, bookIndex) PetAttack() end |
| 05:27.10 | Miravlix | I use PetPassiveMode most of the time, to have full control over the pet |
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| 05:33.19 | Kemayo | Is there any way to get email alerts on WoWI bug reports? |
| 05:34.26 | Cairenn | I believe it has been suggested, but check the portal suggestion thread and if not, please ad d it? |
| 05:34.30 | Cairenn | add* |
| 05:37.39 | Kemayo | Okay, yeah, it's alerady suggested. |
| 05:37.43 | Kemayo | already |
| 05:37.47 | Cairenn | thought so :) |
| 05:41.31 | Esamynn | night all |
| 05:41.47 | Cairenn | night Esamynn |
| 05:44.05 | karlkfi_ | here we are: http://i2.tinypic.com/szzjiq.jpg |
| 05:45.36 | karlkfi_ | even made a checkbox on the Interface Options window to show/reset it |
| 05:46.22 | Wobin_ | rofl |
| 05:46.24 | Wobin_ | Another very confusing and hectic chase ensues, in which they all run across the giant snow-covered plain and then decide to hide…under a tree root. |
| 05:46.24 | Wobin_ | MR. BEAVER: SHE’LL NEVER FIND US HERE! |
| 05:46.24 | Wobin_ | Of course, the sleigh stops, and someone comes out and stands menacingly on top of the tree root. |
| 05:46.24 | Wobin_ | SOMEONE: Shiiiiiiiire…Bagginssssssssssss… |
| 05:46.24 | Wobin_ | SUSAN: Peter, take that ring off your finger. |
| 05:58.31 | Kirov | will a mod load if the folder and .toc file have mis-matched capitalization? |
| 05:58.43 | Iriel | It should load |
| 05:58.51 | Iriel | (On windows anyway, dunno about mac) |
| 05:59.06 | Iriel | the ADDON_LOADED event has the toc's capitalization as its arg1, in theory |
| 05:59.42 | Kirov | A user is complaining that my addon is installed in the correct location, but not showing up in the addons dir. |
| 06:00.04 | Kirov | What makes his story more plausable is that a guild mate is having exactly the same issue. |
| 06:00.19 | Kirov | Unfortunatly, that guild mate is also a complete moron. |
| 06:01.45 | Iriel | So Tigerheart's last missive was off by a factor of 500,000 |
| 06:02.08 | Iriel | Not that I dont appreciate the general effort he's making, but he took it a bit too far when he started suggesting that if statements get re-ordered |
| 06:02.18 | karlkfi_ | :) |
| 06:02.47 | karlkfi_ | it would technically make the machine code faster... |
| 06:03.02 | karlkfi_ | if it compiled that way and mattered |
| 06:03.10 | Iriel | It makes lua faster too |
| 06:03.16 | Iriel | but by a fraction of a microsecond |
| 06:04.01 | karlkfi_ | right... faster but not worth a general alert, just kind of a coding standards thing.. more frequent calls at the beg of an if statement |
| 06:04.18 | Iriel | I'd say as long as that doesn't impact readability, yes |
| 06:04.35 | Iriel | the irony is that he went and suggested a different approach, which is REALLY slow |
| 06:04.45 | karlkfi_ | :) |
| 06:04.49 | karlkfi_ | which one |
| 06:05.05 | Iriel | putting the frequenly hit events as values in a list, and iterating over it and checking for a match |
| 06:05.38 | karlkfi_ | just use keys of the event |
| 06:05.55 | Iriel | yeah, I suggested that, it's slower than an if, but not all that much |
| 06:06.07 | Iriel | and it's very fast |
| 06:06.16 | karlkfi_ | tends to be easier to read for large statements |
| 06:07.01 | karlkfi_ | so tired... |
| 06:08.07 | karlkfi_ | i felt productive rewriting MovePad and making new graphics, but I doubt it was really worth my time. I wonder if slouken will actually sign it or not.. |
| 06:08.57 | karlkfi_ | it's like 3x the code of the first rev and has its own graphics.. |
| 06:09.42 | karlkfi_ | I just offered to make it prettier, i kinda went a little overboard |
| 06:09.53 | karlkfi_ | ooh well |
| 06:10.18 | Kirov | well, I made some of the new graphics. ;) |
| 06:10.29 | karlkfi_ | i did the same thing my frechman year in college on an extra credit assignment and it got me doing research for a prof |
| 06:10.57 | karlkfi_ | you did, but I now have a psd template that I could put just about anything into that button type |
| 06:11.09 | Kirov | hehe |
| 06:11.27 | Kirov | karl - did you use the .tga one or the .png one? |
| 06:11.53 | karlkfi_ | i had to get on a pc and use the tga one |
| 06:12.12 | karlkfi_ | but i think the png one works fine, i just wasn't saving the png's right |
| 06:12.21 | Kirov | No |
| 06:12.29 | Kirov | the .png one exports wrong |
| 06:12.29 | karlkfi_ | the tga's I figured out how to save correctly |
| 06:12.34 | karlkfi_ | u sure? |
| 06:12.36 | Kirov | yeah |
| 06:12.43 | karlkfi_ | how so? |
| 06:12.46 | Kirov | It exports them all with 1 bit alpha |
| 06:12.51 | Kirov | instead of 8 bit |
| 06:12.58 | karlkfi_ | ah, that makes sense |
| 06:13.40 | Kirov | If you're doing graphics that require an indexed color image, you have to use the .png one though |
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| 06:14.07 | karlkfi_ | indexed? |
| 06:14.10 | Kirov | That would be the cursor, and any on-character armor graphics |
| 06:14.14 | Kirov | 256 color |
| 06:14.31 | karlkfi_ | as oppossed to.. |
| 06:15.45 | Kirov | 16 thousand colors |
| 06:15.48 | Kirov | or 24 bit |
| 06:17.07 | Iriel | 16 thousand colors? a 14 bit color system? |
| 06:17.21 | Iriel | Or do you mean 16 million colors (24 bit) ? |
| 06:17.45 | Kirov | sorry, 16 million |
| 06:18.38 | karlkfi_ | do tga's not do 256? |
| 06:18.59 | Kirov | 16, 24, 32 bit only |
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| 06:20.53 | karlkfi_ | k |
| 06:21.00 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:22.59 | Kirov | 8 bit isn't actually supported by blp, it's actually a 16 bit format, but instead of the usual "5 bit, 6 bit, 5 bit" for red, green, blue, it's 8 bit indexed color, 8 bit alpha. |
| 06:23.18 | Miravlix | Does player pets return true for UnitPlayerControlled? |
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| 06:23.49 | karlkfi_ | ok, got lost there |
| 06:24.05 | Kirov | Miravlix - yes |
| 06:24.16 | karlkfi_ | I may want to know later but atm my attenion span is nil |
| 06:24.35 | Kirov | hehe |
| 06:25.06 | karlkfi_ | i used it all up today |
| 06:25.20 | karlkfi_ | and have now exceeded my daily attention alotment |
| 06:26.14 | karlkfi_ | been working on movepad for the last 12 hours give or take... too long |
| 06:27.24 | Wobin_ | argh |
| 06:27.30 | Wobin_ | Why couldn't they have made the bank a bag? |
| 06:27.35 | Wobin_ | rarar |
| 06:27.49 | Wobin_ | See, that would have made sense |
| 06:28.05 | Wobin_ | But no, they're actually inventory slots |
| 06:29.37 | Miravlix | Re codeing SmartPet to do it's magic when the hutner order the pet to attack |
| 06:29.57 | Miravlix | It loss SmarFocus handling, but otherwise it's cool |
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| 06:32.11 | Miravlix | If target is a mana user or druid it enables Claw, for all others it uses Bite |
| 06:32.47 | Miravlix | Only true when fighting playercontroled units |
| 06:33.29 | Miravlix | In mob fighting it enables growl and bite because thats the only way to have enough energy to get growl off now |
| 06:35.41 | Miravlix | Next step will be to make a SmartPet_Spam() for use in spam macros |
| 06:36.11 | Miravlix | That toggle pet behavior depending on life the universe and everything |
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| 07:25.50 | krka|work | have i gotten this right: we don't need VARIABLES_LOADED anymore, we have the variables on load? |
| 07:30.00 | krka|work | hmm... i get annoyed at me old code, MapLibrary can be written much nicer |
| 07:36.00 | Iriel | Right |
| 07:36.05 | Iriel | Well, ish |
| 07:36.10 | Iriel | You get variables on ADDON_LOADED |
| 07:36.14 | Iriel | it's after your code is loaded tho |
| 07:36.16 | Iriel | the order is |
| 07:36.23 | Kalroth | Right'ish, I like that word |
| 07:36.26 | Iriel | <Parse your code> <Load your saved variables> ADDON_LOADED |
| 07:36.36 | Iriel | for each addon |
| 07:37.08 | Iriel | ADDON_LOADED is safer than VARIABLES_LOADED because if the addon is Load on Demand, it may load AFTER VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 07:37.12 | Iriel | so you'd miss your variables |
| 07:39.10 | krka|work | but i can safely use OnLoad to do stuff with my SavedVars? |
| 07:40.11 | krka|work | or is it <Parse> <OnLoad> <Load saved> ADDON_LOADED? |
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| 07:42.15 | Iriel | It's <Parse/OnLoad> <Load Saved> ADDON_LOADED |
| 07:42.41 | Iriel | OnLoad's get fired as each element is completed, so they fire DURING xml parse runs |
| 07:43.47 | Iriel | I guess a better breakdown would have been |
| 07:44.08 | Iriel | For each AddOn, it's [Toc->TocFiles] [SavedVariables] [ADDON_LOADED] |
| 07:44.34 | godsyn | help? (warning, noob). Modding AucAskPrice.lua so that features are by default, on (so i dont have to rely on others to do so). I was able to do this easially w/the old (original) askprice... |
| 07:45.14 | krka|work | fine, i'll move it to ADDON_LOADED instead |
| 07:45.49 | Iriel | krka|work just remember to check arg1 == "MapLibrary", and you'll be set |
| 07:45.58 | krka|work | hmm... any way to get my name? |
| 07:45.59 | Iriel | krka|work : You can even unregister that event once you've seen it |
| 07:46.01 | krka|work | so i don't have to hardcode it |
| 07:46.04 | krka|work | yeah, was planning on that |
| 07:46.13 | Iriel | krka: No, there isn't |
| 07:46.28 | Iriel | krka: Well, I should say, there isn't a way WITHIN WoW |
| 07:46.40 | krka|work | yeah, that's what i wanted |
| 07:46.43 | Iriel | krka: You could always use a build script to look at the .toc file and edit your lua code when you deploy it |
| 07:46.50 | krka|work | like getting frame:AddonName :P |
| 07:46.59 | Iriel | Though really, you SHOULD know |
| 07:47.05 | krka|work | deploy? surely you jest :) |
| 07:47.09 | Kalroth | lol |
| 07:47.10 | krka|work | true |
| 07:47.42 | Iriel | If someone renames your addon it's THEIR fault if they dont check your event handler |
| 07:51.37 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/641596 |
| 07:51.40 | krka|work | would that work? :) |
| 07:51.59 | krka|work | i am more concerned about renaming and forgetting it myself :P |
| 07:52.13 | godsyn | I guess, to sound as little noobish as possiable, is how do I set askprice-guild to "on", on load? |
| 07:52.48 | Kirov | ... |
| 07:53.02 | Kirov | askprice ... guild ... on? |
| 07:53.04 | krka|work | add that to the OnLoad method |
| 07:53.11 | krka|work | or function, more specifically |
| 07:54.19 | godsyn | so create a function askPrice_onLoad() and add askprice-guild = on; below it? |
| 07:54.45 | krka|work | well no |
| 07:54.51 | krka|work | is this in an addon? |
| 07:55.09 | Iriel | krka: It should do, though out of sheer paranoia i'd do the setScript before the RegisterEvents (when you rebind the events) |
| 07:55.21 | godsyn | nope, no "on load"... has an function init() |
| 07:55.25 | krka|work | heh |
| 07:55.36 | krka|work | that really shouldn't be necessary Iriel :) |
| 07:55.47 | krka|work | so do it there then godsyn |
| 07:55.57 | godsyn | (cowers) sorry for being such a noob.. i'm learning... slowly. |
| 07:56.02 | godsyn | kk |
| 07:56.19 | krka|work | askprice-guild = on; surely didn't work in the old version? |
| 07:57.17 | godsyn | askprice-guild = 1; did. |
| 07:57.25 | godsyn | under onlaod. |
| 07:57.39 | godsyn | crude, and alawys on, but worked... |
| 07:58.03 | Iriel | Sleeping now |
| 07:58.04 | krka|work | - is not allowed in variable names, i think |
| 07:58.07 | krka|work | good nig... doh |
| 07:58.19 | krka|work | same time as Cairenn|sleep... coincidence? O_o |
| 07:58.51 | Kalroth | :D |
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| 07:59.44 | krka|work | should we inform cairs husband of this? :) |
| 08:01.05 | godsyn | I'm sorry, i was incorrect, "AP_ShowVendor = 1;" worked in the old askprice. |
| 08:01.24 | godsyn | or, "AP_guild" rather. |
| 08:04.35 | zeeg | good nig!? |
| 08:28.09 | godsyn | ok.. is there a way, in init(), to have the LUA add blah = "on", to the sv? |
| 08:32.15 | godsyn | ./cry |
| 09:05.16 | oxman_ | ? |
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| 09:56.01 | Miravlix | Hmm, or not |
| 10:00.09 | Miravlix | Oh, Learn to Code<tm> |
| 10:13.01 | Corrodias | ITS FINE, LERN TO CODE |
| 10:13.09 | Corrodias | OKAY I GO SLEEP [away] |
| 10:28.49 | groll | hmm who makes bosspanel/fubarpanel again? |
| 10:28.58 | Miravlix | SmartPet thats smart |
| 10:29.13 | Miravlix | Woot! Go eat that Blizzard. :p |
| 10:29.22 | groll | huh what Miravlix? :D |
| 10:29.39 | Miravlix | Recoded SP to set things up on PetAttack() |
| 10:29.49 | Miravlix | Since it needs a hardware key |
| 10:29.59 | groll | oki |
| 10:30.03 | Wobin_ | groll: ckknight |
| 10:30.20 | Miravlix | So no SmartFocus, but semi inteligence at time of attack |
| 10:30.22 | groll | ok he renanamed it fubarpanel and well it went fubar :p |
| 10:30.46 | Miravlix | BossPanel is dead+ |
| 10:30.48 | Miravlix | ? |
| 10:30.54 | groll | no just renamed |
| 10:31.05 | Miravlix | ... |
| 10:31.08 | groll | but he said all plugins should work but none does :P |
| 10:32.00 | Wobin_ | Most of them work for me |
| 10:32.24 | Wobin_ | What version of MoneyFu and all do you have? |
| 10:32.57 | groll | i got the latest updated like hmm an hour ago or such |
| 10:33.40 | groll | what now? *grumbles* :p |
| 10:34.10 | groll | i bet he just updated or something :P |
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| 10:34.32 | Miravlix | No, I'm laughing at you for using a broken addon |
| 10:34.40 | groll | bah! :P |
| 10:36.06 | Miravlix | Going to make KhaosPanel, BossToKhaosPanel, TitanToKhaosPanel and solves everyones problems |
| 10:36.36 | Wobin_ | make sure you have v 0.9.9.219 of the starterpack |
| 10:36.55 | [MoonWolf] | there is a khaospanel ? |
| 10:37.18 | Miravlix | Only on paper so far |
| 10:38.19 | Miravlix | But Cosmos could use a Panel, we missing this way of showing stuff. |
| 10:39.29 | Miravlix | I want to make a guild named <Miravlix's Pet> |
| 10:42.07 | Miravlix | TitanPanel is having trouble being maintained, that was my 'main' reason for wanting to code my own, but with support for Titan addons. |
| 10:43.37 | Miravlix | If BossPanel had bothered to make a TitanToBossPanel addon I would prolly just use it. |
| 10:44.04 | [MoonWolf] | how about cleaning titan panel up, like tain started doing a few weeks before bosspanel ? |
| 10:44.27 | Miravlix | I have. :> |
| 10:44.35 | Miravlix | But I'm not releasing. |
| 10:44.39 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 10:45.18 | Miravlix | Tried to get the guy that made 2.16 to add my improvments, but he isn't listening. |
| 10:45.45 | [MoonWolf] | gasp, big suprise. |
| 10:45.50 | Miravlix | Simple nil check to avoid crapping the panel when addons disapper is apparently to much to ask of him to add |
| 10:45.59 | [MoonWolf] | okay, I look forward to seeing what khaospanel will be like. |
| 10:46.19 | [MoonWolf] | Miravlix, but that is like simple unbloated and well totally usefull. |
| 10:46.20 | Miravlix | Same as all the others |
| 10:46.31 | [MoonWolf] | why would he do something like THAT |
| 10:47.48 | Miravlix | Bar on the top, bar on the bottom, or detacheable and moveable solo bars. |
| 10:48.37 | Miravlix | s/or d/and d/ |
| 10:48.42 | [MoonWolf] | only two bars ? |
| 10:48.59 | Miravlix | Unlimited bars technically since everyone can requirest there own? |
| 10:49.11 | Miravlix | Dynamic Frame generation for the win. |
| 10:49.15 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 10:49.40 | Miravlix | Top and Bottom bar needs special support though |
| 10:49.57 | [MoonWolf] | plugin movable on the bars ? |
| 10:50.16 | Miravlix | I was thinking of a bar grid |
| 10:50.58 | Miravlix | Might as well not lock the grid down so you can place the individual panes. |
| 10:51.36 | [MoonWolf] | go for it. |
| 10:53.26 | Miravlix | What does BossPanel do better than Titan? |
| 10:53.45 | Wobin_ | It's smaller? |
| 10:54.01 | Wobin_ | Well, FuBar, now =P |
| 10:56.28 | krka|work | more efficient, afaik |
| 10:56.31 | [MoonWolf] | Titan is a 25 year old car that has seen it all. Bosspanel is a new car. |
| 10:56.45 | [MoonWolf] | they both ride around |
| 10:58.39 | Wobin_ | FuBar just runs a bit quicker with better fuel consumption |
| 11:05.31 | [MoonWolf] | and it doesnt have the weird quircks yet |
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| 11:06.35 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 11:06.59 | Maldivia | greetings |
| 11:07.32 | s|loup | hi thau |
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| 11:09.02 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 11:10.39 | Miravlix | But FuBar has a really ugly line in it's toc |
| 11:10.52 | Miravlix | ## RequiredDeps: Ace |
| 11:10.57 | [MoonWolf] | sugh |
| 11:11.00 | [MoonWolf] | sigh |
| 11:11.09 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 11:11.15 | [MoonWolf] | wait till ace 2.0 then |
| 11:11.22 | [MoonWolf] | everything will be an embedded lib. |
| 11:11.36 | Miravlix | Never going to make sense to have Cosmos + Ace on your system |
| 11:11.55 | Miravlix | That kills the point of both Ace and Cosmos |
| 11:12.10 | Kalroth | uh? |
| 11:12.23 | Kalroth | What point is that? |
| 11:12.36 | Shouryuu | in what? |
| 11:12.56 | Miravlix | Improving code quality and better memory controls through shared libraries. |
| 11:13.23 | Kalroth | yes, notice how you wrote 'libraries' yourself. |
| 11:14.03 | Miravlix | Do they even run together? |
| 11:14.40 | Kalroth | Do they have to? Both are libraries, libraries can co-exist. |
| 11:15.00 | Kalroth | There's nothing wrong having eg. 3-4 addons using Ace and 10-12 addons using Cosmos on the same system. |
| 11:15.50 | Kalroth | In a perfect world it'd be 13-16 addons using CosAce, but that's never going to happen, especially not in an open source environment |
| 11:16.06 | Kalroth | (Yes, AceMos sounds lame!) |
| 11:17.12 | Miravlix | Well, I've seen my share of bug reports due to Ace |
| 11:17.25 | Miravlix | But maybe it was Timex? |
| 11:17.28 | Kalroth | And I've seen a lot of bug reports due to Cosmos, point being? :) |
| 11:18.36 | Kalroth | If the two libraries can't co-exist, then either library is bugged, badly coded or making bad assumptions. |
| 11:18.39 | Wobin_ | Both are in development, both will have bugs =P |
| 11:20.53 | Miravlix | I don't agree |
| 11:21.32 | Miravlix | There is cases where addons can't co-exist |
| 11:21.58 | Kalroth | Yes, hence I added the bugged/badly coded/etc sentence. |
| 11:22.03 | Miravlix | No |
| 11:22.11 | Miravlix | Nothing to do with bugged or badly coded |
| 11:22.33 | Wobin_ | They may not co-exist well if they're trying to do the same job at the same time |
| 11:22.54 | Miravlix | They break each other due to grabbing the same hooks or whatever |
| 11:23.16 | Miravlix | Sometimes you just have to kill Blizzards code to get anywhere |
| 11:23.39 | cladhaire | ~botmail |
| 11:24.03 | cladhaire | Hrm. |
| 11:24.11 | AnduinLothar | mira stop arguing just to argue |
| 11:24.17 | Wobin_ | botmail check? |
| 11:24.49 | cladhaire | I dont have any, but Esa was trying to leave me a message |
| 11:24.51 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 11:25.12 | Shouryuu | and addon doesn't need an XML file right? |
| 11:25.15 | Shouryuu | I can do pure lua |
| 11:25.20 | AnduinLothar | yes |
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| 11:25.26 | Miravlix | And he could stop claiming everyone is crap programmers |
| 11:25.46 | Kalroth | Everyone is crap programmers, there'll always be someone better than you. :) |
| 11:25.57 | Kalroth | But I don't believe I said that before though. |
| 11:26.03 | AnduinLothar | save yourself the trouble of being insulted and assume he's not talking about you |
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| 11:27.57 | Kalroth | I wasn't talking about you, Miravlix :) |
| 11:28.31 | Kalroth | I was talking about two addon libraries, it was Ace and Cosmos in this case, but it could be Ace and CT, Cosmos and CT, etc. etc. |
| 11:29.01 | AnduinLothar | cosmos and ace aren't really the same thing |
| 11:29.14 | AnduinLothar | they have fundamentaly different purposes |
| 11:29.14 | [MoonWolf] | not even close |
| 11:29.15 | Kalroth | True, Cosmos is a distribution :) |
| 11:29.23 | Kalroth | but there are support libraries in Cosmos |
| 11:29.32 | [MoonWolf] | sea/earth/sky and ace, that could be compared in a skewed way. |
| 11:29.56 | [MoonWolf] | but even then, ace doesnt even try to do a lot of things those do. |
| 11:29.57 | AnduinLothar | yes but i don't think it's fair to compare a framework lib to a distrobution of dozens of addons |
| 11:29.57 | Kalroth | Don't see why it's skewed, aren't there any shared functions in sea/earth/sky? |
| 11:30.16 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: Sorry, I meant sea/sky/earth/etc. when I said Cosmos then. :) |
| 11:30.31 | Shouryuu | could someone tell me if there are any bugs here http://pastebin.com/641796 |
| 11:30.37 | Kalroth | It's just easier to type Cosmos :) |
| 11:30.39 | AnduinLothar | Just trying to keep the name clean, it gets beat on enough |
| 11:31.10 | krka|work | afaik, Ace doesn't really interfere with the system in any way? |
| 11:31.19 | Kalroth | I wasn't beating on it, merely objecting to Miravlix stating that two libraries can't (shouldn't?) co-exist together. |
| 11:31.20 | Shouryuu | ok errors spoted at line 54 and 45 |
| 11:31.22 | AnduinLothar | nah, ace is a framework, like i said |
| 11:31.51 | krka|work | so apart from bugs in Ace, it should work fine together with anything else |
| 11:31.53 | AnduinLothar | they CAN coexist i think he's saying it's not optimal |
| 11:32.26 | Wobin_ | Shouryuu: Those the only bugs you're expecting? |
| 11:32.35 | [MoonWolf] | I will vouch for it that ace and khaos/cosmos will work fine on one system |
| 11:32.47 | AnduinLothar | but then i would say ace isn't very optimal anyway, but that might be biassed stylistic differences |
| 11:32.50 | [MoonWolf] | I have bugtested addons with other systems + ace fine. |
| 11:32.51 | Shouryuu | Wobin_ those are the only ones I can find... |
| 11:33.08 | AnduinLothar | right, i ran ace with cosmos for a while |
| 11:33.40 | Shouryuu | Wobin_ The guy using it told me he doesn't even get the welcome note, but I think he must hve fudged up something in the TOC |
| 11:33.54 | AnduinLothar | timex is a bitch when it tries to replace chronos and isn't up to date tho |
| 11:34.03 | Wobin_ | Shouryuu: Man... sexist much? =P |
| 11:34.07 | Wobin_ | "He is a..." =P |
| 11:34.30 | Shouryuu | when? Where? |
| 11:34.37 | Shouryuu | what? how? |
| 11:34.45 | Shouryuu | ahh |
| 11:34.47 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 11:35.10 | Shouryuu | the "He is a lvl X player and so forth..." |
| 11:35.12 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 11:35.20 | [MoonWolf] | well, timex/chronos is a seperate thing |
| 11:35.31 | AnduinLothar | if ace WHERE 'just' a library i would have no problem including it with other libraries |
| 11:35.38 | [MoonWolf] | timex has not had the chronos part update for a loooooong time |
| 11:35.44 | [MoonWolf] | so if chronos has been changed. |
| 11:35.50 | Wobin_ | up until recently anyway |
| 11:36.10 | AnduinLothar | ya i think the current vers works, but for liek 2 or 3 months timex broke cosmos |
| 11:36.14 | Wobin_ | I believe the latest Timex works |
| 11:36.22 | Wobin_ | That's more due to lack of author =) |
| 11:36.29 | Miravlix | Blizzard has a code monkey that has one job, break Chronos. |
| 11:36.30 | Wobin_ | Than to any bad coding |
| 11:36.49 | Miravlix | Hmm, actually 1.10 didn't break Chronos? |
| 11:37.03 | AnduinLothar | i dissagree, i think the whole idea of forcibly replacing another lib is disgusting |
| 11:37.34 | AnduinLothar | i would much rather have the addon be ported to work with either lib if they're that similar |
| 11:37.37 | [MoonWolf] | you can curse rowne for it. |
| 11:38.47 | Wobin_ | I agree, I didn't really like the placeholder thing |
| 11:39.10 | AnduinLothar | it's not really the fact that it's good or bad code. i jus don't liek the methods employed in ace and timex. but the authors are respectable and have ambition, and they don't listen to me anyway |
| 11:39.20 | Wobin_ | hehe =) |
| 11:39.47 | Miravlix | What I don't get is why we have Ace and Cosmos at all. It wasn't really something that neede forking. |
| 11:39.49 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: I listen to you! |
| 11:40.07 | [MoonWolf] | Miravlix, you dont understand... |
| 11:40.22 | [MoonWolf] | first there was cosmos, then there was turan, he had an idea, and then there was ace. |
| 11:40.30 | Kalroth | Miravlix: Like I said, it happens in all open source environments, it's unavoidable. |
| 11:40.43 | Miravlix | all? |
| 11:40.43 | Kalroth | Personally I like it though, I like more than one option |
| 11:40.50 | Kalroth | all. |
| 11:40.53 | [MoonWolf] | ace and cosmos are not the same thing, not by a long shot. |
| 11:41.06 | Kalroth | Miravlix: BSD? :) |
| 11:41.07 | Wobin_ | Like Linux? |
| 11:41.20 | AnduinLothar | i would have much prefered that they had stepped up and helped develop and optimize already existing libs. the fact that replacements were written is like a slap in the face saying, we're better than you and we'll show you by usurping your 'dominance' int he 'market' |
| 11:41.43 | [MoonWolf] | kde and gnome |
| 11:41.45 | Miravlix | Kalroth, So why not just make the features Cosmos didn't have, so Ace could be a supplement |
| 11:41.52 | [MoonWolf] | xfree86 and x.org |
| 11:42.10 | Miravlix | and Cosmos could be a suppliment to Ace. |
| 11:42.34 | Miravlix | Works both ways, it's just a matter of the side of the fence I'm sitting on the way I word it. |
| 11:43.25 | Kalroth | I agree that replacing libraries that aren't yours to replace seems a bit dirty. If you make a good framework then people will use it, otherwise they wont. It's really not that hard. :) |
| 11:43.58 | AnduinLothar | right, but that's not the whole picture. it's not just a 'you' on the project |
| 11:44.04 | Wobin_ | If you build it, they will come |
| 11:44.11 | AnduinLothar | Sea has a dozen authors |
| 11:44.13 | Kalroth | Well 'you' being a developer. |
| 11:44.19 | Kalroth | or a developer team. |
| 11:44.35 | [MoonWolf] | hell, besides kaelten everybody else working on ace belongs to the group that came. |
| 11:44.51 | Miravlix | My current goal in life is having a log message on SVN for every file in Cosmos. :p |
| 11:45.12 | [MoonWolf] | and even then, ace itself is not worked on by more then 2 or 3 people right now and 5 perhaps in total. |
| 11:45.12 | Miravlix | And one for about half the addons elsewhere |
| 11:45.14 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 11:45.28 | Kalroth | log message: Oi, that code was rubbish Miravlix! I fixed it for you - AnduinLothar. |
| 11:45.34 | Kalroth | :P |
| 11:46.04 | Miravlix | We have one of those so far |
| 11:46.14 | AnduinLothar | right, there's never more than a handful at a time, but as the comunity learns and grows people step up to replace old code with something better |
| 11:46.17 | Miravlix | ArcanePartyBar update where Andu wiped the changes |
| 11:46.28 | Kalroth | Miravlix: aww, what a meanie! |
| 11:47.08 | AnduinLothar | ya, well it's my mod and i was working on it and you didn't tell me you were fixing it till it was done |
| 11:47.57 | Kalroth | ah, dual fixes :) |
| 11:48.15 | AnduinLothar | i looked at your code and saw that mine was a better, more thorough fix |
| 11:48.19 | Miravlix | Mine was a general one I implemented in 3-4 addons |
| 11:48.41 | AnduinLothar | right, and mine was optimized for APB |
| 11:48.42 | Miravlix | BTW: APB is broken |
| 11:48.47 | [MoonWolf] | I'll say this one more time for good measure, ace itself (the actual ace addon) is a passive thing it sits there waiting to be used, it does not conflict with anything it does not replace anything it is simply a framework for writing addons. Timex was written by rowne because he did not like chronos (he called it bloated) and he wrote a compatibility layer on top of it) |
| 11:48.49 | Miravlix | It doesn't report target at the moment |
| 11:48.49 | AnduinLothar | so i hear |
| 11:49.02 | Miravlix | Or well, it reports self as target for everything |
| 11:49.32 | AnduinLothar | ya, i'll get to it. unless you wanna take a stab |
| 11:49.52 | Miravlix | Think ShardTracker needs my help at the moment |
| 11:50.09 | AnduinLothar | right, that's why he wrote it, cause he's a minimalist |
| 11:50.21 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 11:50.37 | Miravlix | Tooltip wasn't enough to get ST over the 1.10 patch for some reason, it has trouble counting |
| 11:50.40 | AnduinLothar | and I'm not |
| 11:50.42 | [MoonWolf] | if you think that is a slap in the face, that kinda saddening to me because I actually like you as a person. |
| 11:51.02 | [MoonWolf] | but rowne is no longer around. and the chronos compatilibly is most likely lacking right now. |
| 11:51.12 | AnduinLothar | it's a slap because Chronos could have been optimized to have the exact same footprint as timex |
| 11:51.25 | AnduinLothar | and STILL have the features |
| 11:51.46 | Josh|Work | ( AnduinLothar ): any sneak peeks? ^_^ |
| 11:51.59 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 11:52.02 | AnduinLothar | of what.. |
| 11:52.07 | Shouryuu | for the pictures I think |
| 11:52.09 | [MoonWolf] | as far as I know no other ace addons replace cosmos stuff... |
| 11:52.17 | Shouryuu | that uber lock button, and arrow |
| 11:52.27 | AnduinLothar | ya, sec |
| 11:53.38 | AnduinLothar | i admire his coding ability. however i hate that we never once heard him ask to help fix an existing lib |
| 11:53.53 | Shouryuu | do you think coding a multiplayer chess addon is worth it? |
| 11:54.22 | [MoonWolf] | Shouryuu, for pure WTF value, sure. |
| 11:54.30 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 11:54.35 | Shouryuu | I doubt I'll manage though =( |
| 11:54.40 | Josh|Work | you can do it! |
| 11:54.44 | Shouryuu | I sure am not going to manage the XML |
| 11:54.54 | Shouryuu | unless I learn it, but that might be hard |
| 11:54.58 | Josh|Work | wasn't there someone that was going to write a sudoku game? |
| 11:55.07 | Shouryuu | I thought of it |
| 11:55.17 | Wobin_ | ow |
| 11:55.17 | Shouryuu | but the algorithm for generating them was like WTF?! |
| 11:55.20 | Josh|Work | might be easier to do at first |
| 11:55.21 | Shouryuu | so I gave up |
| 11:55.22 | Wobin_ | I've thought of the math involved |
| 11:55.26 | Wobin_ | and gave up =P |
| 11:55.28 | Shouryuu | yeah same |
| 11:55.33 | Josh|Work | lol |
| 11:55.48 | Josh|Work | aren't there already algorithms out there you can just rewrite in lua? |
| 11:55.55 | Shouryuu | dunno |
| 11:56.15 | Shouryuu | I've read that most of them are hand generated |
| 11:56.19 | Wobin_ | probably |
| 11:56.25 | Wobin_ | or rather, there are a lot that solve them |
| 11:56.29 | AnduinLothar | http://i2.tinypic.com/t041g5.jpg |
| 11:56.33 | Wobin_ | But not to many that generate them |
| 11:56.47 | Shouryuu | And even if they weren't, just figuring out which numbers to hide and not to, according to difficulty, is impossible |
| 11:57.10 | Josh|Work | oooo, purty AnduinLothar |
| 11:57.10 | Shouryuu | generating one isn't hard imo, just knowing which numbers to hide is impossible |
| 11:57.11 | Wobin_ | or at best difficult programatically |
| 11:57.17 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 11:57.22 | Josh|Work | anyway, work time, later |
| 11:57.26 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 12:00.25 | Shouryuu | if I do Atable={} AnotherOne = {} Atable[1]=AnotherOne AnotherOne[1]=10, Atable[1][1]=10 right? |
| 12:01.24 | Maldivia | yes |
| 12:01.46 | AnduinLothar | well, it's sleep time |
| 12:02.10 | Shouryuu | and doing table.insert(Atable,1,AnotherTable) table.insert(AnotherTable,1,10) is the same as the above? |
| 12:02.12 | Shouryuu | night |
| 12:03.28 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 12:04.45 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: not exactly the same |
| 12:05.46 | Maldivia | example: t = {1,2,3,4,5} t[3] = 99 -- now t = {1,2,99,4,5} |
| 12:05.47 | Shouryuu | where lies the difference? |
| 12:05.59 | Maldivia | example: t = {1,2,3,4,5} table.insert(t, 3, 99) -- now t = {1,2,99,3,4,5} |
| 12:06.03 | Shouryuu | oh yeah |
| 12:06.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 12:06.26 | Shouryuu | But I don't count on adding anything once so table.insert will do :p |
| 12:07.01 | Maldivia | if you want to add to the end, just do table.insert(t, value) |
| 12:07.35 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 12:07.37 | Maldivia | dont specify the index, unless you want to move all the existing data entries |
| 12:08.37 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 12:15.09 | Shouryuu | is there a way to go through the letters A to B using a for loop? |
| 12:15.27 | Shouryuu | A to H |
| 12:15.51 | Shouryuu | like for i=1,8 do Letters[i]=A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H |
| 12:18.53 | Wobin_ | You could possibly pull something out of char |
| 12:19.21 | Wobin_ | but.... for i,letter in {A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H} do |
| 12:19.25 | Wobin_ | er |
| 12:19.33 | Wobin_ | but.... for i,letter in ipairs({A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H}) do |
| 12:22.17 | Shouryuu | I'll just do 8 line of code then |
| 12:22.55 | Miravlix | for i=0, # do if table{strtostring( strtonumber("A") + i ))] |
| 12:23.10 | Miravlix | I wonder if that works. :) |
| 12:23.42 | Wobin_ | Well... not in lua =) |
| 12:23.55 | Shouryuu | yeah thought about the tonumber, but wasn't sure A was 1, B was 2 |
| 12:23.57 | Wobin_ | if table? |
| 12:24.41 | Shouryuu | Yeah I guess the cleanest way would be Letters={A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H}, for i=1,8 do Atable[i]=Letter[i] |
| 12:25.14 | Wobin_ | Actually |
| 12:25.22 | Wobin_ | I have no idea what you're trying to achieve |
| 12:25.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 12:25.48 | Shouryuu | I'm trying to have Atable[1]=A Atable[2]=B .... Atable[8]=H |
| 12:26.21 | Wobin_ | So... Atable = {A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H} sin't good enough? |
| 12:26.34 | Shouryuu | Indeed |
| 12:26.38 | Shouryuu | I am an idiot |
| 12:26.48 | Shouryuu | but will getn work on Atable? |
| 12:26.54 | Wobin_ | yep |
| 12:26.58 | Shouryuu | cool |
| 12:27.35 | Shouryuu | Even if this addon works, it's code is going to make eyes bleed |
| 12:28.20 | Kalroth | That's usually a good sign! |
| 12:28.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 12:29.52 | JoshBorke | that just makes it harder to steal! |
| 12:30.14 | Shouryuu | i'll code all on one line |
| 12:30.23 | Shouryuu | not enters, just one long line then! |
| 12:32.03 | Shouryuu | and for you, should letters be X or Y coordinates? |
| 12:32.43 | Shouryuu | Hell why am I asking, it's Y to me, so it's Y to this addon |
| 12:33.56 | JoshBorke | i believe the convention is letters are Y coordinates, no? |
| 12:35.19 | Shouryuu | dunno, I've seen boards with X as letters |
| 12:40.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge namxo (i=oxman@bau91-1-82-239-244-31.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:40.08 | namxo | about iriel on the us forum : |
| 12:40.24 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.24 | namxo | i love |
| 12:40.24 | namxo | lol |
| 12:40.24 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 12:40.38 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 12:40.48 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.50 | namxo | ;D |
| 12:41.01 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.08 | Shouryuu | that one's nice |
| 12:41.16 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:41.45 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.47 | namxo | is it true ? |
| 12:41.59 | Shouryuu | lol no |
| 12:42.06 | namxo | ok ;p |
| 12:42.48 | JoshBorke | Shouryuu: yea, i was completely backwards. numbers are vertical, letters horizontal. which makes sense |
| 12:42.51 | Maldivia | I've heard, Iriel is in a constant state of quantum flux... |
| 12:43.14 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 12:43.21 | Shouryuu | and Josh|Work, it doesn't to me =( |
| 12:43.50 | Maldivia | numbers are rows, letters are columns |
| 12:44.10 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 12:44.19 | Shouryuu | to me that makes sens |
| 12:46.01 | Maldivia | JoshBorke: just open up any spreadsheet application :) |
| 12:46.11 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 12:46.19 | Shouryuu | excel works that way |
| 12:46.40 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 12:50.19 | krka|work | oh no, is iriel the next chuck norris / vin diesel? |
| 12:51.26 | Shouryuu | lol probably |
| 12:53.38 | Shouryuu | my program is enver going to work.. |
| 12:54.56 | [MoonWolf] | iriel is the next high warlord saurfang |
| 12:57.42 | krka|work | "Iriel can code better than god, but he chooses not to avoid the paradox that will end the universe" |
| 12:58.23 | Shouryuu | if I have OneTable={} TwoTable={} OneTable[1]=TwoTable, OneTable[1][1]=10 will not change TwoTable although "Onetable.TwoTable[1]=10" (not the correct syntax, but you see what I mean) |
| 12:58.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 12:58.52 | [MoonWolf] | there is no chin behind iriels beard, yust more code. |
| 12:58.58 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 12:59.15 | Shouryuu | You should put them :P |
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| 13:03.07 | Wobin_ | Shou? |
| 13:03.09 | Wobin_ | Yes it does |
| 13:03.19 | Wobin_ | > t={} |
| 13:03.20 | Wobin_ | > tt={} |
| 13:03.20 | Wobin_ | > t[1] = tt |
| 13:03.20 | Wobin_ | > t[1][1] = 10 |
| 13:03.20 | Wobin_ | > print(tt[1]) |
| 13:03.20 | Wobin_ | 10 |
| 13:06.22 | Shouryuu | that sucks |
| 13:06.46 | Shouryuu | that's ruined all my work! |
| 13:07.05 | krka|work | why? |
| 13:07.21 | krka|work | also, please use shorter variable names for example |
| 13:07.27 | krka|work | A, B, C, et.c. |
| 13:07.45 | Kalroth | I prefer long ones |
| 13:08.00 | Kalroth | ThisVariableShouldOnlyBeUsedAsACounterThanks |
| 13:08.01 | krka|work | have you read this Shouryuu? http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial |
| 13:09.07 | krka|work | you need to keep in mind that tables are references |
| 13:09.13 | krka|work | only { } creates tables |
| 13:09.36 | krka|work | A = {}, B = {}, A.x = B does not mean that A.x is a copy of B |
| 13:09.40 | krka|work | A.x just points at B |
| 13:11.24 | krka|work | cool mod idea, bad implementation: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3705 |
| 13:12.38 | Shouryuu | lol why bad implementation? |
| 13:12.46 | Wobin_ | heh, cute |
| 13:12.53 | Shouryuu | that is a cool mod though :P |
| 13:14.48 | krka|work | he didn't put the responses in a table |
| 13:14.55 | krka|work | lots of ifs instead |
| 13:16.01 | Wobin_ | ow |
| 13:16.20 | Codayus | Brilliant idea, yeah. :-) |
| 13:17.06 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:17.11 | Kalroth | if (Taunt_Random == 1) then |
| 13:17.11 | Kalroth | Taunt_OutputMessage = Taunt_OutputMessage..IslandTaunt_Taunt1; |
| 13:17.11 | Kalroth | elseif (Taunt_Random == 2) then |
| 13:17.11 | Kalroth | Taunt_OutputMessage = Taunt_OutputMessage..IslandTaunt_Taunt2; |
| 13:17.28 | Codayus | Pity there isn't a better way to format the reply... |
| 13:17.39 | Codayus | Heh, not quite a dailywtf...still painful. |
| 13:18.18 | Codayus | It'd need to abuse switch statements as well to be really a wtf. |
| 13:18.37 | Wobin_ | if lua had switch =P |
| 13:18.56 | Codayus | Could implement your own switch. |
| 13:18.59 | Codayus | That'd be fun! |
| 13:19.13 | Codayus | And would make abusing it worth double wtf points! |
| 13:19.42 | Wobin_ | wtftf? |
| 13:41.02 | krka|work | maybe it's autogenerated |
| 13:41.11 | krka|work | and he wanted to avoid creating tables |
| 13:44.05 | wereHamster | Taunt_OutputMessage = Taunt_OutputMessage..getglobal("IslandTaunt_Taunt"..Taunt_Random); :) |
| 13:46.39 | Shouryuu | so how would one do t={} tt={} put t[1]=tt and change t[1][1] without changing tt? Basicly I'm doing a mod that should allows multiplayer chess. I have a table which looks like this PawnTable={Pawn1,Pawn2,Pawn3...Pawn8}, I want to end up with something like PosX[1]=PawnTable, PosX[1][1]=1 and PosY[1][1]=B? Do I need to do Pawn1={}... Pawn8={} PosX={Pawn1,Pawn2...Pawn8} and then PosX[1][1]=1, or is there a cleaner way? |
| 13:47.28 | JoshBorke | define each position as a string "<col><row>" |
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| 13:52.30 | Shouryuu | yeah but the pieces move around, how am I going to easily change Col and row when they move? |
| 13:52.53 | krka|work | i agree, use col/row as key |
| 13:53.07 | krka|work | board["A5"] = pawnObject; |
| 13:53.09 | krka|work | or something |
| 13:53.16 | JoshBorke | yea, what krka|work said |
| 13:53.25 | Shouryuu | oh instead of the otherway around |
| 13:53.27 | wereHamster | Shouryuu, write your own deep/shallow table copy function |
| 13:53.41 | krka|work | when possible, you should avoid copying tables too much |
| 13:53.47 | JoshBorke | keep the board static and just move the objects |
| 13:53.56 | JoshBorke | s/move /"move" / |
| 13:54.07 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 13:54.37 | wereHamster | Shouryuu, http://pastebin.com/641999 |
| 13:54.48 | wereHamster | just in case you'd need it :) |
| 13:55.08 | Shouryuu | I always want to know how things work :p |
| 13:55.25 | JoshBorke | Shouryuu: if you ever want help, let me know. I've always wanted to do a chess game :D |
| 13:56.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol^ (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 13:56.42 | krka|work | hey lego |
| 13:56.49 | Shouryuu | Well you can go ahead, I'm probably never going to finish mine, just a little "fantasY" I'm having right now :p |
| 13:56.50 | krka|work | still fried comp? |
| 13:56.53 | JoshBorke | i was going to try to write an MPI chess program that would solve chess states for the fewest moves |
| 13:57.30 | JoshBorke | until i was told it was a stupid idea and would run out of memory way too fast to ever completely solve for all states :-( |
| 13:57.36 | Shouryuu | and wereHamster, that pastebin won't load =( |
| 13:57.40 | Legorol^ | hiya krka, yes |
| 13:57.43 | Shouryuu | Josh|Work lol |
| 13:57.47 | krka|work | damn :7 |
| 13:57.52 | krka|work | loaded for me |
| 13:58.20 | Legorol^ | krka: it's at the doctors at the moment |
| 13:58.32 | krka|work | that bad? |
| 13:58.35 | JoshBorke | me also |
| 13:58.36 | Legorol^ | it's a sick, sick patient awaiting some life to be breathed into it |
| 13:58.43 | krka|work | you didn't just figure out which part was broken and replaced it? |
| 13:58.51 | Legorol^ | on the good side, even a completely dead machine can be resurrected |
| 13:58.53 | Legorol^ | unlike people |
| 13:59.06 | Tain | How can you say that, what with Easter just around the corner. ;) |
| 13:59.09 | JoshBorke | well, at what point does it become a new machine? |
| 13:59.09 | Legorol^ | krka, i don't have the means to test which is the faulty part, i don't have replacement parts to try with |
| 13:59.16 | Legorol^ | it could be CPU, motherboard, powersupply |
| 13:59.21 | Legorol^ | out of those 3, you can't eliminate either |
| 13:59.24 | krka|work | true |
| 13:59.36 | [MoonWolf] | ~foon |
| 13:59.37 | purl | hmm... foon is a spork turned inside out. |
| 13:59.43 | krka|work | good thing it wasn't the harddrive |
| 13:59.44 | Legorol^ | JoshBorke: it becomes a new machine when i buy a new Windows licence |
| 13:59.50 | Legorol^ | until then, it's just hardware upgrades |
| 13:59.50 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 13:59.58 | Legorol^ | krka: very much so, yes |
| 14:00.09 | Legorol^ | i made sure to take out the HD before giving the machine in at the repair shop |
| 14:00.15 | krka|work | good thinking |
| 14:00.15 | Legorol^ | i definitely don't trust them with my data |
| 14:00.26 | Tain | My new parts should be here today according to FedEx's tracking. |
| 14:00.28 | Legorol^ | and no, it wasn't dead because of the HD |
| 14:00.29 | krka|work | you'll get it back with "we found the problem, there was no harddrive" |
| 14:00.43 | Legorol^ | nah, i made sure to discuss this when i handed it in |
| 14:00.43 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 14:00.54 | krka|work | repair shops are ripoffs btw |
| 14:00.55 | Legorol^ | i'm quite aware of how tech support works |
| 14:01.00 | Legorol^ | so i pre-empted as much stuff as possible |
| 14:01.07 | Legorol^ | yes i know they are a ripoff |
| 14:01.08 | krka|work | just bring your comp to a friend and find out which part is dead |
| 14:01.10 | krka|work | and buy a new one |
| 14:01.16 | Legorol^ | trust me, i would if i could |
| 14:01.18 | [MoonWolf] | a new friend ? |
| 14:01.23 | Legorol^ | lol MoonWolf |
| 14:01.25 | krka|work | heh |
| 14:01.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:01.36 | Legorol^ | krka: i'm actually thinking of just buying a whole new machine |
| 14:01.40 | Legorol^ | this one is almost 3 years old |
| 14:01.47 | Legorol^ | that's very old by computer standards |
| 14:01.53 | JoshBorke | 4 years for my main machine |
| 14:01.54 | JoshBorke | :D |
| 14:02.13 | Shouryuu | same here 4 years old =( |
| 14:02.14 | Legorol^ | however, at the time i put it together, it was top of the range, so it's still a good machine today |
| 14:02.23 | Legorol^ | if i can just replace one faulty part, i will go with that |
| 14:02.25 | krka|work | i bought mine before i got my gf |
| 14:02.31 | krka|work | more than 5 years |
| 14:02.33 | Legorol^ | is that a good thing or bad thing? |
| 14:02.33 | Shouryuu | arrghh deja vu |
| 14:02.44 | krka|work | then again, i have replaced mb, processor, memory, power supply, harddrive |
| 14:02.50 | krka|work | same monitor though |
| 14:02.54 | krka|work | replaced gfx card to |
| 14:02.54 | Shouryuu | I feel like I've already seen that conversation =( |
| 14:02.54 | Legorol^ | hehe, i am starting down that path too |
| 14:03.00 | Legorol^ | i have replaced power supply and mobo so far |
| 14:03.04 | Legorol^ | i guess CPU and gfx card next |
| 14:03.18 | krka|work | note: all replacements due to failures |
| 14:03.27 | Legorol^ | the big problem i have with replacement is this though: at the time i put it together, i carefuly selected all the components |
| 14:03.35 | Legorol^ | they all have specific purpose and match the exact specs i wanted |
| 14:03.45 | krka|work | yeah, that's why i have to replace mb / cpu / memory at the same time |
| 14:03.46 | Legorol^ | now because this is an old machine, it's hard to find replacement CPU/mobo that has the exact same specs |
| 14:04.05 | Tain | I just ran into that, Legorol. |
| 14:04.18 | Legorol^ | and it's almost impossible to get an identical mobo |
| 14:04.27 | Tain | I found a mb locally, but it wasn't great. Just "working" |
| 14:04.41 | Legorol^ | yeah and if i replace stuff with parts that just "work", |
| 14:04.45 | Legorol^ | then my performance drops |
| 14:04.47 | Legorol^ | and my heart aches |
| 14:04.54 | Tain | Well, sort of. It wouldn't run my CPU at it's native speed, damn FSB speeds dont' work at all on the board. |
| 14:04.57 | krka|work | a friend of mine is wondering what \n does in a /say now |
| 14:05.02 | krka|work | used to disconnect right? |
| 14:05.06 | Legorol^ | it should still do |
| 14:05.07 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 14:05.08 | Tain | So I had to just run close to it and just bought new stuff. |
| 14:05.20 | Shouryuu | I heard it just makes you say "/n" now |
| 14:05.23 | Tain | I know \n did disconnect, didn't someone recently post a bug that it doesn't? |
| 14:05.25 | Legorol^ | i'm also thinking of the a complete CPU/mobo/memory replacement |
| 14:05.42 | Legorol^ | question: if i put both the new memory and the old one in, |
| 14:05.45 | Shouryuu | I think it jsut mkes you say the thing |
| 14:05.47 | Tain | I got an Athlon 64 4200+, 2GB RAM, and a GeForce 7900GT. |
| 14:05.48 | Legorol^ | i take it the old one will pull down the speed |
| 14:06.11 | Tain | It should Legoral, but they don't always work. |
| 14:06.12 | Legorol^ | Tain: it's quite possible that if you type \n directly into the chat box, it now escapes it |
| 14:06.23 | Legorol^ | however, you can still try SendChatMessage |
| 14:06.33 | Legorol^ | unless they escape it on the C level |
| 14:06.44 | krka|work | didn't someone complain about not being able to quit with \n anymore? |
| 14:06.49 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 14:06.53 | Tain | Yeah I'm not sure, I just think someone posted on the forum that it doesn't crash you anymore. |
| 14:06.53 | Legorol^ | alt+F4 ftw |
| 14:06.58 | krka|work | someone _in here_ i think |
| 14:07.08 | krka|work | pkill -9 wine FTW |
| 14:07.10 | Legorol^ | or if you are krka, kill -KILL |
| 14:07.17 | Tain | Well see that's the thing, I don't know about the \n specifically but some "quits" are more of an exploit. |
| 14:07.19 | Legorol^ | haha, great minds think alike |
| 14:07.24 | JoshBorke | naw, i can make a mod that'll crash you out if you need :D |
| 14:07.38 | Legorol^ | Tain: a quit is never an exploit |
| 14:07.43 | Legorol^ | your character still remains in the game world |
| 14:07.45 | Tain | There have been some ways to crash out of the game that drop your char immediately instad of making it linger around for 30 seconds or whatever. |
| 14:07.51 | Legorol^ | ?? |
| 14:08.00 | Legorol^ | that's hard to beleive |
| 14:08.06 | Tain | There were, I don't know if \n was one, or if they were fixed a long time ago. |
| 14:08.42 | Legorol^ | the funnest thing to do is to alt+f4, log in with an alt, then 20 seconds later watch yourself go offline |
| 14:08.51 | Tain | hah never did that. |
| 14:09.13 | Legorol^ | heck, you might even be able to land a buff on yourself that way |
| 14:09.17 | Legorol^ | i have to try that :D |
| 14:09.19 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:09.39 | Legorol^ | use your priest/druid to buff up your warrior, mmm |
| 14:09.55 | Tain | haah that's funny |
| 14:09.55 | krka|work | need to be pretty quick :P |
| 14:09.58 | Legorol^ | yup |
| 14:10.08 | krka|work | my comp is too slow for that |
| 14:16.33 | krka|work | anyone here that really really really loves to do xml stuff for wow? |
| 14:16.48 | krka|work | actually, not just xml, guis in general |
| 14:17.33 | Tain | Whoo boy, Bethesda is cathing a hell of a lot of flack for trying to sell new content for Obvlivion as "mini" mods. |
| 14:17.45 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 14:17.54 | [MoonWolf] | I dont know what people are overreacting about |
| 14:18.06 | [MoonWolf] | they told you before they released the god damn game. |
| 14:18.14 | [MoonWolf] | why bitch about it NOW |
| 14:18.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:18.34 | Shouryuu | because people aren't smart |
| 14:18.42 | Tain | I didn't follow the game closely until it was released, I didn't want to get too excited about it 2 years in advance like other games. |
| 14:19.10 | [MoonWolf] | they had polls, asking, would you pay for extra content in the form of addons |
| 14:19.16 | [MoonWolf] | that came out as more or less yes. |
| 14:19.16 | Tain | I don't know though, $1.99 to add armor for your horse that you then have to buy again inside the game with game gold? It does go against my own sensibilities. |
| 14:19.33 | Tain | You can't trust user polls! Players of your games are dumb. |
| 14:20.24 | [MoonWolf] | I wonder if the addons are around on the scene already. |
| 14:20.27 | Tain | On the other hand it's just extra stuff you don't need at all, so it's not like anyone's getting screwed out of being able to play the game. |
| 14:20.30 | Tain | The horse armor one is. |
| 14:20.48 | Tain | That's theo nly one they released so far, I think they're holding off because of the backlash. |
| 14:20.53 | [MoonWolf] | dont want them , dont buy them. |
| 14:21.18 | Tain | Or be a filthy, immoral pirate. |
| 14:21.35 | Tain | Don't copy that floppy! |
| 14:21.46 | kremonte | doodoo |
| 14:21.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:24.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-188.handshake.de) |
| 14:24.28 | Tain | If you've never seen that "commercial" from the 80s you gotta check it out. |
| 14:24.28 | Tain | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4837609090332617729 |
| 14:26.22 | JoshBorke | i guess sound would help? |
| 14:26.40 | Tain | Oh yeah you have to hear it. |
| 14:27.17 | Shouryuu | loool that's hilarious |
| 14:29.35 | Shouryuu | that is simply too cool to be true |
| 14:29.40 | JoshBorke | i guess we're now with FuBar instead of BossPanel? |
| 14:30.01 | Tain | Call 800-888-PIR8! |
| 14:31.17 | Shouryuu | I'm the DP! Disc Protector |
| 14:36.35 | krka|work | heh |
| 14:39.52 | Shouryuu | for how do things stay posted on Pastebin? |
| 14:40.00 | kremonte | eh? |
| 14:40.01 | kremonte | a database |
| 14:40.03 | kremonte | you silly |
| 14:40.09 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:40.12 | Shouryuu | I r not smart |
| 14:40.26 | Shouryuu | so you gave up on go? |
| 14:40.26 | Legorol^ | Shouryuu: no guarantee about length of time on pastebin |
| 14:40.33 | kremonte | tu es comme stupid comme un piece d'un large glowing shard |
| 14:40.46 | Legorol^ | i beleive when it scrolls off the little history thing on the left, then they don't guarantee anymore that it would stay any longer |
| 14:40.51 | Legorol^ | but in most cases it still does |
| 14:40.53 | Shouryuu | you mean a piece of large glwoing shard? |
| 14:41.00 | kremonte | yes! |
| 14:41.04 | kremonte | and those come from lvl 20 blues |
| 14:41.05 | kremonte | newb |
| 14:41.09 | Shouryuu | Legorol^ thanks :P |
| 14:41.17 | Shouryuu | kremonte You didn't say that in french |
| 14:41.25 | kremonte | SO? |
| 14:41.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:41.31 | kremonte | i'm not speaking french |
| 14:41.36 | Shouryuu | oh yeah |
| 14:41.38 | Shouryuu | kremontian |
| 14:41.39 | Shouryuu | sorry |
| 14:41.40 | kremonte | i'm speaking kremontian |
| 14:41.49 | kremonte | héhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhé |
| 14:42.06 | kremonte | oh god |
| 14:42.10 | Shouryuu | que |
| 14:42.12 | kremonte | all the fubar stuff on WOWI.. |
| 14:42.24 | kremonte | New & Updated |
| 14:42.29 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 14:42.37 | kremonte | cue 2 dozen FuBar (previously BossPanel) |
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| 14:43.58 | kremonte | for i=1,100 do ReloadUI() end |
| 14:44.02 | malreth | Malreth is finally lv 45! |
| 14:44.08 | Shouryuu | gratz! |
| 14:44.12 | kremonte | grats:) |
| 14:44.24 | malreth | kremonte: no! don't do that! it's ebil! |
| 14:44.58 | JoshBorke | grats |
| 14:45.09 | malreth | thanks... it only took me like a year |
| 14:52.35 | Tain | Seagate 7200rpm 250gb HD $82.95 with free shipping. http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202153080&adid=17662 |
| 14:53.16 | JoshBorke | must...resist...the urge....to buy.... |
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| 14:53.30 | JoshBorke | morning cide |
| 14:53.43 | kremonte | morning |
| 14:53.48 | kremonte | you put the C in CTmod! |
| 14:53.54 | Shouryuu|Work | lol |
| 14:53.56 | kremonte | and i'm not even kidding ^_^ |
| 14:54.07 | Cide | yay me? :) |
| 14:54.07 | Tain | The SATA model is $112, still good. |
| 14:54.32 | Cide | ironically, our guild was called Chaos Theory at the time I suggested it |
| 14:54.40 | kremonte | o.O |
| 14:54.41 | Cide | (I didn't even play wow at the time) |
| 14:54.43 | kremonte | is that why it was CT? |
| 14:54.49 | Cide | no, I learned that afterwards |
| 14:54.52 | kremonte | ahh |
| 14:54.55 | kremonte | Cide and TS! |
| 14:55.00 | kremonte | CTS_RaidAssist |
| 14:55.10 | Cide | CT sounds better :P |
| 14:55.10 | kremonte | it'd make chromatically tempered swords drop a lot more :o |
| 14:55.16 | kremonte | CTSRA |
| 14:55.19 | kremonte | sittsorah |
| 14:55.45 | Cide | seeteeareeh! |
| 14:55.57 | kremonte | CTRA ftw |
| 14:56.23 | kremonte | here's a question which i doubt is possible |
| 14:56.29 | kremonte | is it possible to create and render an image? |
| 14:56.49 | kremonte | ie pretty much sending the raw data for a tga (which is pretty easy to do) |
| 14:56.50 | Cide | define image :) |
| 14:57.01 | kremonte | pixelpixelpixelpixelpixel |
| 14:57.04 | kremonte | that's an image |
| 14:57.07 | kremonte | ^-^ |
| 14:57.09 | Cide | well |
| 14:57.17 | Cide | I guess I'm drawing images with ct_whiteboard :) |
| 14:57.17 | malreth | there are no graphical or rastering primitives in WoW's API |
| 14:57.21 | Tain | Not really. You could fake it by defining a thousand frames or so and showing them. |
| 14:57.35 | kremonte | Tain: lol |
| 14:57.40 | kremonte | hm |
| 14:57.48 | kremonte | that IS a possibility tho, albeit a bad one |
| 14:57.53 | kremonte | GG, server restarting in 15min |
| 14:57.54 | Cide | now let's display a 1280x1024 image |
| 14:58.02 | kremonte | :D |
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| 14:58.04 | Cide | 1310720 pixels? yay |
| 14:58.16 | Shouryuu|Work | wow |
| 14:58.25 | kremonte | yeah. and 1920000 frames isn't bad |
| 14:58.27 | Shouryuu|Work | you can do 1280x1024 real quick |
| 14:58.28 | kremonte | to send a desktop image |
| 14:58.36 | Cide | aye |
| 14:58.41 | kremonte | Shouryuu|Work: generally it's not hard to know resolutions =p |
| 14:58.43 | Cide | //echo -a $calc(1280*1024) |
| 14:58.49 | kremonte | aha |
| 14:58.55 | kremonte | i actually know em :x |
| 14:58.59 | Shouryuu|Work | lol |
| 14:58.59 | Maldivia | ~1280*1024 |
| 14:59.01 | purl | 1310720 |
| 14:59.03 | Maldivia | :) |
| 14:59.05 | kremonte | fupurl |
| 14:59.05 | Cide | the amount of pixels in a 1280x1024 image? |
| 14:59.06 | kremonte | F U |
| 14:59.13 | kremonte | yes Cide |
| 14:59.16 | Maldivia | but... I run in 1024x1280 :) |
| 14:59.23 | kremonte | wtf Maldivia |
| 14:59.26 | kremonte | that's a messed up res |
| 14:59.27 | kremonte | ._. |
| 14:59.33 | Cide | that's worse than me learning the first 120 decimals of pi during two lessons of maths |
| 14:59.39 | kremonte | lol cide |
| 14:59.41 | Shouryuu|Work | did that |
| 14:59.46 | Shouryuu|Work | Only went to 100 though |
| 14:59.52 | kremonte | i did 70 in one class |
| 14:59.54 | kremonte | i dunno why |
| 14:59.55 | Maldivia | kremonte: flip my monitor 90 degree when I code ) |
| 14:59.57 | Cide | I still remember first 20 |
| 15:00.01 | kremonte | lmao Maldivia |
| 15:00.02 | Cide | 3.14159265358979323879 |
| 15:00.06 | Maldivia | kremonte: a high display is so nice, when you get used to it :) |
| 15:00.07 | Shouryuu|Work | lol |
| 15:00.09 | Tain | Ok I'm not going to jump the gun or anything but... http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?Sku=6082828&SourceID=k2315&afsrc=1 |
| 15:00.15 | kremonte | Maldivia: /shiver |
| 15:00.26 | kremonte | Tain |
| 15:00.27 | kremonte | die |
| 15:00.28 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: do you actually have a monitor that can rotate then, or do you just place it on its side? |
| 15:00.31 | Cide | looking for that matrix effect, Maldivia? :) |
| 15:00.47 | kremonte | zenzelezz: nvidia graphics drivers can rotate displays |
| 15:00.48 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: have a monitor that can rotate, and a gfx card that supports it :9 |
| 15:00.54 | Shouryuu|Work | so Maldivia your screen is longer than wider? |
| 15:00.58 | zenzelezz | kremonte: I asked about the physical monitor |
| 15:00.59 | kremonte | dunnae about ati |
| 15:01.02 | kremonte | LIES |
| 15:01.06 | Maldivia | let me take a screendump |
| 15:01.08 | kremonte | PHYSICAL THINGS DO NOT EXIST |
| 15:01.11 | kremonte | PROGRAMMING ERROR |
| 15:01.15 | kremonte | IRIEL, COME FIX IT |
| 15:01.18 | Shouryuu|Work | lol |
| 15:01.21 | Cide | sounds like poor memory management |
| 15:01.31 | Cide | virtual > physical, clearly! |
| 15:01.38 | kremonte | agreed! |
| 15:01.48 | kremonte | i AM on a lot of drugs :/ |
| 15:01.55 | kremonte | the good kind though |
| 15:02.12 | Shouryuu|Work | there are bad drugs? |
| 15:02.20 | Tain | Yes, penicillin. |
| 15:02.24 | kremonte | the kind my doctor tells me to take |
| 15:02.25 | Shouryuu|Work | lol |
| 15:02.30 | kremonte | that isnt marijuana :p |
| 15:02.46 | Maldivia | Shouryuu|Work: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/scr.png |
| 15:02.57 | kremonte | rofl |
| 15:02.58 | kremonte | o_O |
| 15:03.08 | Cide | that actually is pretty nice.. weird, but nice |
| 15:03.17 | Shouryuu|Work | lol |
| 15:03.23 | kremonte | 1024 is too small for me |
| 15:03.38 | kremonte | right now my horizontal res is.. |
| 15:03.44 | zenzelezz | putty! |
| 15:03.45 | kremonte | 2560? i think |
| 15:03.55 | Tain | I *almost* bought a Dell 2405 wisescreen 24". And then they wanted to charge me sales tax. :( |
| 15:03.57 | Cide | christ |
| 15:04.10 | zenzelezz | I wish my monitor could rotate... like you said, it must be nice for coding |
| 15:04.14 | Maldivia | well, when flipping it, I have more lines showns at a time, instead of having half the screen white, because code-lines are usually less than 90 chars |
| 15:04.26 | Shouryuu|Work | hehe |
| 15:04.38 | Cide | my friends (who used to play CS for years) says 800x600 is the best - they have shitty monitors and can't run 85Hz on anything above that |
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| 15:04.44 | Cide | err, say |
| 15:04.50 | JoshBorke | morning Beladona |
| 15:04.55 | Beladona | morning |
| 15:05.00 | Shouryuu|Work | morn' |
| 15:05.11 | kremonte | Cide: for competitive cs, yes it is :p |
| 15:05.13 | zenzelezz | he just says that because there's less space to manouver the mouse in in lower resolutions, thus greater chance to hit |
| 15:05.19 | Cide | yes |
| 15:05.21 | Shouryuu|Work | hehe |
| 15:05.32 | Cide | but they run it everywhere |
| 15:05.38 | Tain | I play CS in 320x200 |
| 15:05.48 | kremonte | i play cs in 4:3 |
| 15:05.48 | Cide | now that's pro! |
| 15:06.20 | Tain | Headshot every time! |
| 15:06.25 | Cide | boom, headshot! |
| 15:06.26 | kremonte | its either an hs or a tk |
| 15:07.30 | Shouryuu|Work | I play CS with a mouse sensibilty of 15 |
| 15:07.33 | Shouryuu|Work | which is bad |
| 15:07.39 | kremonte | yes |
| 15:07.41 | kremonte | it's bad |
| 15:07.41 | kremonte | :p |
| 15:07.53 | Shouryuu|Work | but it's god like on iceworld and poolday |
| 15:07.59 | kremonte | eh |
| 15:08.01 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: yes, I use putty - I have to tunnel my way out of the firewall here, otherwise I can't check mail and use IRC :) |
| 15:08.03 | kremonte | i still do good with 4 |
| 15:08.05 | kremonte | in iceworld |
| 15:08.07 | kremonte | i am jesus tho |
| 15:08.11 | Shouryuu|Work | hehe |
| 15:08.16 | Cide | all depends on your mouse |
| 15:08.17 | kremonte | well shouryuu |
| 15:08.20 | kremonte | 1.6? |
| 15:08.23 | Shouryuu|Work | But I'm a brute, i just charge |
| 15:08.24 | Shouryuu|Work | aye |
| 15:08.36 | kremonte | yeah higher mouse sens in 1.6 is fine imo |
| 15:08.38 | Cide | 1.6 is for wussies! play source |
| 15:08.42 | kremonte | Cide |
| 15:08.48 | kremonte | did you ever play 1.6 for 2 months |
| 15:08.50 | kremonte | then play source? |
| 15:08.52 | kremonte | source is ezmode |
| 15:09.00 | Shouryuu|Work | Source = HL2 = need to buy |
| 15:09.01 | Cide | I just wanted to spark a debate |
| 15:09.05 | Cide | and besides |
| 15:09.13 | kremonte | models are almost twice as big, fire rate is almost double, accuracy is twice as good =/ |
| 15:09.15 | Cide | HL2DM is so much more fun than CS *.* |
| 15:09.22 | kremonte | i can't play anything on source |
| 15:09.26 | kremonte | so fucking pissed |
| 15:09.36 | Shouryuu|Work | TFC is good |
| 15:09.38 | kremonte | my 7800 is bugged |
| 15:09.39 | kremonte | defective |
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| 15:09.43 | kremonte | and newegg said i cant return it |
| 15:09.48 | kremonte | they don't sell it anymore -_- |
| 15:09.51 | Shouryuu|Work | I used to be real good on HL though |
| 15:10.11 | Shouryuu|Work | well real good is relative |
| 15:10.19 | Shouryuu|Work | but I'd kick my friend's asses any time |
| 15:10.20 | zenzelezz | I wasn't too good, but I had a reflex action with the shotgun that annoyed my friends when we played HLDM |
| 15:10.29 | kremonte | anybody wanna play some 1.6? |
| 15:10.30 | Shouryuu|Work | hehe |
| 15:10.41 | Shouryuu|Work | I want, but I don't have it installed -( |
| 15:11.02 | kremonte | install steam |
| 15:11.04 | Cide | busy playing warcraft 3, sorry! |
| 15:11.04 | kremonte | then dl 1.6 |
| 15:11.07 | kremonte | do it! |
| 15:11.09 | kremonte | DO IT |
| 15:11.13 | Shouryuu|Work | I NEED TO WORK! |
| 15:11.16 | kremonte | NO. |
| 15:11.21 | Shouryuu|Work | yes i do =( |
| 15:11.24 | kremonte | J'AI BESOIN D'UN AMI |
| 15:11.26 | kremonte | MAINTENANT |
| 15:11.28 | Shouryuu|Work | haha |
| 15:11.31 | Shouryuu|Work | no I'm sorry |
| 15:11.35 | kremonte | TELECHARGEZ DE CS |
| 15:11.38 | Shouryuu|Work | lol |
| 15:12.23 | kremonte | shouryu |
| 15:12.25 | kremonte | DL it now |
| 15:12.27 | kremonte | play it later |
| 15:12.30 | kremonte | please <3 |
| 15:13.01 | Shouryuu|Work | I really can't |
| 15:13.07 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, I'll be your friend |
| 15:13.09 | kremonte | pourquoi pas :( |
| 15:13.09 | Shouryuu|Work | I have a philosphy and frenh paper to hand in tomorow |
| 15:13.14 | kremonte | i know shouryuu |
| 15:13.18 | kremonte | just START it |
| 15:13.19 | kremonte | :( |
| 15:13.25 | Shouryuu|Work | It's 5PM I haven't started either =( |
| 15:13.51 | kremonte | it takes <5m to start it :( |
| 15:13.53 | kremonte | i hate you now |
| 15:14.01 | Shouryuu|Work | awwww |
| 15:14.20 | Shouryuu|Work | Tomorrow |
| 15:15.44 | Kirkburn | Never do today what you can put off until 2moro |
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| 15:16.22 | kremonte | http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/abraham~druidsurvivability.gif |
| 15:16.24 | kremonte | i lol'd |
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| 15:18.56 | Osagasu | >:) |
| 15:19.02 | Osagasu | http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/apr/05bootcamp.html |
| 15:19.05 | kremonte | oh sah gah su |
| 15:20.24 | Kirkburn | But April Fools was 5 days ago! |
| 15:21.38 | kremonte | 4 |
| 15:21.49 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 15:22.08 | Kirkburn | The US server migration is 2moro, no? |
| 15:24.16 | Shouryuu|Work | anyone here plays on Daggerspine/ |
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| 15:30.23 | Kirkburn | Loz has updated Discord btw |
| 15:31.29 | Osagasu | Its good people have started updating their mods with the zoning speed trick thingamadoo |
| 15:32.44 | Maldivia | Osagasu: hehe, nice :) |
| 15:32.54 | Maldivia | Osagasu: not that it wasn't already possible :9 |
| 15:33.29 | [MoonWolf] | no, but for some reason the public at large did not realise this. |
| 15:33.34 | Osagasu | But now its officially supported |
| 15:33.36 | kremonte | not notice what? |
| 15:33.38 | Elkano | have I missed sth? |
| 15:33.56 | Maldivia | Osagasu: true |
| 15:33.56 | [MoonWolf] | when zoning a lot of events fire for no good reason |
| 15:34.26 | [MoonWolf] | but since you are zoning, you dont need to handle them, a lot of addons still do though. |
| 15:35.42 | zenzelezz | so you can tell somehow when you're zoning and when you're not? |
| 15:36.15 | krka|work | we get events before and after |
| 15:36.22 | zenzelezz | ah, okay |
| 15:36.26 | [MoonWolf] | player leaving world |
| 15:36.31 | [MoonWolf] | and player something world. |
| 15:37.00 | Miravlix | Well it isn't for no good reason |
| 15:37.01 | JoshBorke | enter world? |
| 15:37.07 | Miravlix | We just don't need to react to them |
| 15:37.27 | Miravlix | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD can be used to skip them |
| 15:37.32 | kremonte | so |
| 15:37.37 | Elkano | ah, found the thread :) |
| 15:37.46 | kremonte | PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD UnregisterEvent() PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD RegisterEvent() |
| 15:37.54 | Miravlix | I register PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD onload |
| 15:38.00 | Adrine | I kinda have to wonder why the UI doesn't do that automatically, and provide override methods |
| 15:38.15 | Miravlix | Then register the spam events + PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD in PeW |
| 15:38.26 | Adrine | So if you really need to proccess events during zoning, you can, but let the default be "off |
| 15:38.27 | Miravlix | And unregister in PlW |
| 15:38.54 | Miravlix | Because the UI is hot |
| 15:39.00 | Miravlix | and it can't tell it's zoning? |
| 15:39.31 | Maldivia | Adrine: because that's a "weird" way to do it... |
| 15:39.37 | Beladona | the loading screen is a ui itself |
| 15:39.44 | Beladona | hence needing to procss events |
| 15:40.21 | Beladona | they had to choose a default behavior, and they chosse to leave events processable during loading |
| 15:40.40 | Miravlix | I'm not sure we can trust this PlW turn off, PeW turn on strategy |
| 15:40.40 | Beladona | it takes some simple coding to supercede that feature in your own addon |
| 15:40.55 | Kirkburn | pewpewpew |
| 15:41.02 | Beladona | I love that word |
| 15:41.07 | Miravlix | But you could do one initialization in PeW |
| 15:41.08 | Beladona | anyway, brb lunch |
| 15:41.19 | Miravlix | Instead of fiering 160 times on BAG_UPDATES |
| 15:42.00 | Tain | YOu can never trust PeW. pew pew! pew! Pew pew pew! |
| 15:42.07 | Adrine | Maldivia: It's not really very "weird" at all. It is, for the majority of mods, negative behavior. Make the default that which provides the best performance for the majority of mods and provide overrides for those mods that really need it. *shrug* |
| 15:42.19 | Adrine | The vast majority of mods would never even notice the change |
| 15:42.33 | [MoonWolf] | tain, lol. |
| 15:43.01 | [MoonWolf] | i personally see no need for bag updates during zoning. |
| 15:43.11 | [MoonWolf] | THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANYTHING HAPPENING IN MY BAGS. |
| 15:43.16 | zenzelezz | that... is why you fail |
| 15:43.18 | kremonte | there are goblins in your bags |
| 15:43.20 | Adrine | I think it's a re-init of the inventory. |
| 15:43.24 | Miravlix | MoonWolf: eeww now your sick |
| 15:43.33 | Adrine | You zone, the server you're now on gets your inventory list and bounces it to you |
| 15:43.39 | Miravlix | It's a re-init of the UI of some kind |
| 15:43.51 | Adrine | Your client clears your inventory display and re-adds the items received from the server |
| 15:44.05 | [MoonWolf] | MEH |
| 15:44.05 | Miravlix | The addon needs to talk to the new server |
| 15:44.14 | [MoonWolf] | still think that is not necesary for the UI to know. |
| 15:44.29 | Maldivia | Adrine: the majority of the mods do not have this problem, si you want them to install a default behaviour for the select few mods that have, and create a massive overhead by unregistering events on all frames = |
| 15:44.33 | Miravlix | It's needed for Blizzard UI? |
| 15:45.02 | [MoonWolf] | cant we presume that my bag layout is going to be 100% the same after the transit. |
| 15:45.15 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: no |
| 15:45.18 | Miravlix | What happends if you short circut the Blizzard inventory UI on zoning? |
| 15:45.22 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: zone-specific item |
| 15:45.28 | Adrine | Maldivia: Not unregistering events, just not sending them to the addon system. |
| 15:45.38 | Adrine | Just a simple short-circuit in the event pump. |
| 15:45.39 | [MoonWolf] | Maldivia, you are right... I retract my previous statements. |
| 15:45.56 | kremonte | how would you? |
| 15:45.59 | kremonte | i'm confused |
| 15:46.17 | [MoonWolf] | if zoning = true return |
| 15:46.21 | Miravlix | I don't think Blizzard should mess with this |
| 15:46.24 | Maldivia | Adrine: so, what about where the events are needed, they have to tell the event system, that they are special, and need the events anyway ? |
| 15:46.35 | kremonte | PlW zoning=true PeW zoning=false? |
| 15:46.36 | Miravlix | There UI clearly doesn't care |
| 15:46.39 | Miravlix | It's just us |
| 15:46.58 | Adrine | Maldivia: Exactly - have a separate register method for them - RegisterEventPersistent() or something |
| 15:47.14 | [MoonWolf] | registereventforced |
| 15:47.16 | Miravlix | Why Adrine? |
| 15:47.24 | Miravlix | Blizzard doesn't code the UI for our sake |
| 15:47.32 | Adrine | Miravlix: So that the default RegisterEvent()'d events wouldn't get processed on zone |
| 15:47.36 | Miravlix | It doesn't benefit there UI |
| 15:47.40 | Miravlix | So they wont do it. |
| 15:47.46 | Adrine | But it would speed things up considerably across the board with no detriment. |
| 15:47.49 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 15:47.55 | [MoonWolf] | Miravlix, if that was true why do we even talk to slouken as decs instead of as users ? |
| 15:48.00 | [MoonWolf] | devs* |
| 15:48.41 | Miravlix | Look at all the patches breaking us to pieces eveyr time because the Bliz UI needed a change |
| 15:48.57 | ckknight | hey all |
| 15:48.58 | Adrine | API changes tend to do that. |
| 15:48.59 | Kirkburn | In a way, but as is obvious from my point of view, they're also adding to it |
| 15:49.12 | Adrine | They could maintain backwards compatibility, but it's not worth the additional effort |
| 15:49.26 | Adrine | The people using hte API are active and can adapt easily, which results in a richer, clutter-free API |
| 15:49.32 | Kirkburn | Given that one of the big changes they made pretty much has only affected me so far |
| 15:49.57 | [MoonWolf] | the changes they make on general give US more to do and play with |
| 15:50.01 | Kirkburn | Not surpsrisingly, I'm biased :P |
| 15:50.11 | [MoonWolf] | 1.10 was as much filled with goodies for addon devs as for players. |
| 15:50.18 | Adrine | Agreed, [MoonWolf] |
| 15:50.32 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, you should be happy about the 1.10 changes - they gave you a huge advantage, although you had to redesign everything :) |
| 15:50.40 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:50.41 | Miravlix | 1.10 was filled with lots of PeW pew pew pew pew pew pew |
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| 15:51.14 | Elkano | hiho ckknight :) |
| 15:51.29 | Maldivia | anyway, time for me to go home |
| 15:51.43 | Kirkburn | See ya |
| 15:52.34 | Kirkburn | I have two hypothetical questions |
| 15:52.46 | [MoonWolf] | hypothetically shoot them. |
| 15:53.02 | Miravlix | I have a fever. |
| 15:53.37 | Kirkburn | 1. Would the font changes I make apply retroactively? E.g. Font Bob. An addon inherits it and makes Alan. If I modify Bob, does Alan change? |
| 15:54.02 | Kirkburn | (assuming my change is the last thing that occurs) |
| 15:54.02 | Wobin_ | depends on the type of inheritance |
| 15:54.08 | Miravlix | Your the one making font addons, shouldn't you be telling us that? |
| 15:54.22 | Kirkburn | How does it work for other stuff? |
| 15:54.45 | Wobin_ | Inheritance can be done a couple of ways in Lua, one, the object inheriting, copies all the functions across from the parent |
| 15:54.57 | [MoonWolf] | Kirkburn, well if a xml element is parented to something else and the parent is for instance moved |
| 15:54.58 | Wobin_ | and two, the inheritor keeps a reference to the parent object's functions |
| 15:55.00 | [MoonWolf] | so is the child. |
| 15:55.12 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure about XML though |
| 15:55.23 | [MoonWolf] | isnt the font object an xml thing ? |
| 15:55.33 | Kirkburn | ClearFont is only lua |
| 15:55.46 | Miravlix | Only fairly sure way to find out is write a test addon and try |
| 15:55.51 | Kirkburn | Hmm, yeah |
| 15:55.56 | [MoonWolf] | i agree with Miravlix there. |
| 15:55.59 | [MoonWolf] | go and find out. |
| 15:57.13 | Kirkburn | Okay, the second question is thus: WoW sets a font, Chris. I redefine it immediately as Chris (re-defined). An addon makes a font called Dave, which inherits Chris. Does it take Chris or Chris (redefined) .... probably won't be able to answer that either :P |
| 15:57.54 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
| 15:58.25 | Kirkburn | I think I know a way to test the first one, so i'm gonna try that now. |
| 15:58.31 | [MoonWolf] | i assume chris(redifined) but i have no proof |
| 15:58.44 | Tain | I think then it gets Chris Reloaded, and Chris Revolutions. |
| 15:58.51 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 15:59.16 | [MoonWolf] | only reloaded will suck and revolutions will be better but not near plain regular chris |
| 15:59.23 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 15:59.26 | Miravlix | And makes lots of money so they make a crap MMORPG |
| 15:59.41 | Kirkburn | Such predictable people :) |
| 15:59.52 | [MoonWolf] | but we dont care |
| 15:59.55 | [MoonWolf] | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:00.08 | kremonte | 'lo cair |
| 16:00.19 | [MoonWolf] | morning |
| 16:00.24 | JoshBorke | morning Cafeine__ |
| 16:00.26 | JoshBorke | er, Cairenn |
| 16:00.33 | Cairenn | morning |
| 16:00.37 | Kirkburn | lol, ciao ciao |
| 16:01.05 | Cafeine__ | (I have the feeling I break some habits here :p) |
| 16:01.24 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:02.19 | [MoonWolf] | typing ca space will no longer do. |
| 16:04.05 | Kirkburn | Oooh, the answers to question 1 appears to be that it does apply retroactively! |
| 16:04.18 | [MoonWolf] | makes sense. |
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| 16:07.17 | Kirkburn | My test was thus: zClearFont loaded after DamageMeters, but damage meters took the redefined TextStatusBar font style |
| 16:07.29 | Kirkburn | (I *assume* it loaded afterwards anyway) |
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| 16:10.02 | Kirkburn | And test 2 was also a success: AClearFont loaded before DamageMeters, and it took the redefined font (which I expected) |
| 16:11.11 | Wobin_ | So you don't have to worry about load order? =) |
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| 16:11.54 | JoshBorke | is it possible to get information about guild members if they do not show up in the guild roster? |
| 16:12.06 | JoshBorke | ie, the guild is larger than 500 'characters'? |
| 16:12.27 | Kirkburn | Wobin_ that appears to be true! |
| 16:14.04 | Wobin_ | GetGuildRosterInfo |
| 16:14.47 | Wobin_ | (index) |
| 16:15.16 | Cide | get a smaller guild :) |
| 16:15.29 | Cide | and I don't think you can |
| 16:15.39 | Cide | I haven't tested but that's my guess |
| 16:15.54 | JoshBorke | so i just do something like: while GetGuildRosterInfo(i) do <blah> i = i + 1 end |
| 16:16.08 | JoshBorke | because GetNumGuildMembers() maxes out at 500 |
| 16:16.11 | groll | i guess you devs seen this? not on this forum though (dunno hwo good it actually is though) http://www.nurfed.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8507&sid=1481e11a5cc1e5b462965e90f92e3ada |
| 16:16.24 | Wobin_ | yeah I guess =) |
| 16:16.38 | JoshBorke | groll: yep, we've seen it :-) |
| 16:16.40 | JoshBorke | thanks :-) |
| 16:16.53 | groll | good :P cause i have like loooong loadtimes :P |
| 16:17.23 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-argentdawn&t=253872&p=1&tmp=1#post253872 |
| 16:17.35 | Cairenn | yeah, we've seen it |
| 16:17.51 | groll | hehe :P |
| 16:17.52 | Cairenn | this is where slouken linked it from: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=352710&p=1&tmp=1#post352710 |
| 16:17.54 | Cide | I just set a variable on leaving |
| 16:17.59 | groll | wanna fix my addons Cairenn? ;P |
| 16:18.00 | Cide | and unset it on entering |
| 16:18.17 | JoshBorke | 2 questions: 1) how long does it take to get to lvl 20 on average? 2) anyone know the results of the contest realms? |
| 16:18.22 | Cide | maybe I'm just lazy |
| 16:18.24 | Wobin_ | I know my addons do that |
| 16:18.32 | Cairenn | might also want to check this thread, new today: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=354407&p=1&tmp=1#post354407 |
| 16:18.35 | Wobin_ | (Well the ones that constantly monitor bag_update) |
| 16:18.37 | Cide | 10h for level 20 if you're decently fast |
| 16:18.37 | Cairenn | groll: nope, I don't |
| 16:18.52 | groll | darn :P |
| 16:19.29 | Adrine | I wonder if they're using the contest results as some kind of benchmark |
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| 16:22.52 | Ktron | Just wanted to see about confirming a simple rumor-- are mages next to get a talent update? |
| 16:23.10 | Adrine | Yes |
| 16:23.22 | Adrine | 1.11 are mages, shaman are expected to be 1.12, rogues in 1.13 |
| 16:23.22 | Ktron | where did we learn this from? |
| 16:23.30 | Adrine | Various blue text |
| 16:23.38 | Ktron | cool cool |
| 16:24.06 | Adrine | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/misc/wowinsider/wowi06/interview.html |
| 16:24.16 | Adrine | Bottom of the page |
| 16:24.20 | Crispix | Hallo all :D |
| 16:24.31 | Wobin_ | ooh shammy |
| 16:24.40 | Crispix | Can anyone kindly direct me to Fonts for WoW? |
| 16:24.44 | Wobin_ | I'll pull out my level 41 Tauren shammy named Tinkabell |
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| 16:25.08 | Kirkburn | Hello Crispix |
| 16:25.23 | Kirkburn | What do you mean exactly? |
| 16:25.33 | Crispix | Better fonts ... for reading. |
| 16:25.41 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn is the man =) |
| 16:25.44 | Crispix | The damage indicators and stuff.. |
| 16:25.51 | Crispix | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?862049 <-- Like my new axe guys ^___^ |
| 16:26.10 | Cairenn | Crispix: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4283 |
| 16:26.16 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 16:26.26 | Wobin_ | I wonder if I can shift my Taran Icebreaker to my shammy =) |
| 16:27.09 | Crispix | Kirk does this do damage indications too? |
| 16:27.12 | Wobin_ | Cause that'd be just... cool |
| 16:27.24 | Kirkburn | In the spirit of today, I should be able to cut down load CF load times too :) |
| 16:27.34 | Kirkburn | What type? The built-in ones, or SCT? |
| 16:27.59 | Crispix | you know when your attacking something.. and the numbers pop up? |
| 16:28.11 | Crispix | Those are sorta fuzzy... and are really begining to bother me.. |
| 16:28.27 | Crispix | I'm just not used to it because I'm not used to running on an lcd |
| 16:28.27 | Kirkburn | WoW is *awful* at scaling fonts, which is what it does with those |
| 16:28.52 | Kirkburn | Yeah, ClearFont should override that, it's something I need to check today |
| 16:29.02 | Crispix | k |
| 16:29.11 | Kirkburn | (doing thge Step Two thing would definately override it btw) |
| 16:29.30 | Kirkburn | (it whether the ClearFont code does it properly too, is the question) |
| 16:29.45 | Crispix | - Create 4 copies of ClearFont.ttf, place them in the folder and rename them to the following: |
| 16:29.45 | Crispix | FRIZQT__.ttf, ARIALN.ttf, skurri.ttf, MORPHEUS.ttf o_O |
| 16:29.57 | Kirkburn | Yup, that's step two |
| 16:30.35 | Kirkburn | That part is the equivalent of overriding the Data files |
| 16:30.49 | Adrine | Heeeeeeey. E3 is in about a month. |
| 16:30.50 | Adrine | *glee* |
| 16:30.57 | Kirkburn | I somewhat doubt Blizz has a problem with my suggestion though :P Yay for E3! |
| 16:31.14 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/642329 |
| 16:31.17 | kremonte | why does that keep disappearing |
| 16:31.26 | kremonte | i call it once, then the function becomes a nil value |
| 16:31.40 | Adrine | "link" is a pretty generic name |
| 16:31.49 | kremonte | ./dump link = nil |
| 16:31.49 | Adrine | Either make it local or rename it to something else |
| 16:32.05 | kremonte | there's nothing calling a global "link" |
| 16:32.12 | Elviso | http://wow.pastebin.com/642331 |
| 16:32.28 | kremonte | doesn't make a difference |
| 16:32.30 | Elviso | (idk if that matters) |
| 16:32.33 | Elviso | k |
| 16:32.34 | kremonte | lua doesn't care about whitespace |
| 16:32.37 | Adrine | kremonte: But if you have a variable named "link" it'll override the function |
| 16:32.49 | kremonte | even if it's local? never happened to me before :/ |
| 16:32.58 | Adrine | Not local, no |
| 16:33.06 | Adrine | But think about other addons that might use "link" in a non-local context |
| 16:33.16 | Adrine | If it's a non-local function, name it YourAddOnName_Link() |
| 16:33.16 | kremonte | again, there is no global called link |
| 16:33.24 | Adrine | Not right now there's not |
| 16:33.33 | Adrine | But it could be that some codepath somewhere creates that variable. |
| 16:33.35 | Adrine | Or sets it nil. |
| 16:33.41 | kremonte | so why does it disappear as soon as i call it? |
| 16:33.48 | kremonte | it only disappears then -o- |
| 16:33.57 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 16:34.49 | Crispix | *sigh* I love Izzie and Danny on Grey's Anatomy.. they're such a great couple |
| 16:35.06 | Tain | Whatever happened to Luke and Laura though? |
| 16:35.22 | Crispix | eh? |
| 16:35.40 | Crispix | right.. time to try Kirkburn's new clear type font :D |
| 16:35.57 | Beladona | yay for segregating your code |
| 16:36.08 | Beladona | addon.link |
| 16:36.21 | kremonte | i'm not writing an addon |
| 16:36.27 | kremonte | i'm doing something so i can do /script link() |
| 16:36.29 | Beladona | what is it |
| 16:36.35 | Beladona | so? |
| 16:36.50 | Beladona | it is still an addon |
| 16:36.54 | Beladona | technically |
| 16:36.55 | kremonte | thus i don't want to type out /script MyLocalizedCodeAndSmallBitsAndPiecesOfLuaScriptInLuaSlinger_link() |
| 16:37.01 | kremonte | it's not in any file, mk? |
| 16:37.12 | Beladona | how do you declare it then |
| 16:37.16 | kremonte | luaslinger |
| 16:37.25 | Beladona | heh |
| 16:37.26 | kremonte | inc comment about savedvariables |
| 16:39.37 | Kirkburn | Woo, the damage done font does get changed by my code |
| 16:40.22 | Crispix | Kirkburn-- very nice with the fonts.. however, it still didn't change what I'm wanting to change :( |
| 16:40.56 | wereHamster | kremonte, why don't you make a macro? much easier than to type "/script ..." |
| 16:41.10 | Kirkburn | Which is what exactly Crispix? |
| 16:41.37 | ckknight | okay, people are setting the name as FuBar - FactionsFu on the website. Should I correct them or should I just go with that scheme? |
| 16:41.38 | Kirkburn | The damage done font (over the head of the target) is overriden. For SCT or SDT, you have to set that in the addon settings |
| 16:42.07 | Wobin_ | as opposed to FactionsFu - Fubar? |
| 16:42.13 | Beladona | not sure I like the if not name and ir and color then return end |
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| 16:42.17 | Beladona | id |
| 16:42.37 | ckknight | Wobin_, as opposed to just FactionsFu |
| 16:42.42 | Crispix | Kirkburn -- so I have to enable it in Addons? |
| 16:43.04 | Kirkburn | What, Crispix? I still don't know what you are specifically talking about |
| 16:43.08 | Wobin_ | Well, tbh, FuBar - AddonFu will look better on hte addon screen and be somewhat easier to manage |
| 16:43.20 | Beladona | to me that evaluates, if name, id, and color ar enot present, return end, but if name is present and not id or color, it will continue |
| 16:43.33 | ckknight | it is FuBar - AddonFu on the addon screen |
| 16:43.35 | Beladona | needs or |
| 16:43.39 | ckknight | I'm just talking about the website |
| 16:43.40 | Crispix | ok Kirk, you know when you attack something, and the numbers pop above the targets head? |
| 16:43.47 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 16:43.54 | Tain | Yee! FedEx is here! New computer! |
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| 16:44.02 | Crispix | Thats what I'm trying to change.. |
| 16:44.15 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it should be changing that |
| 16:44.20 | Crispix | I love the look of the new fonts that the clear type already changed... |
| 16:44.28 | Crispix | hrmm |
| 16:44.31 | Kirkburn | 2 secs |
| 16:44.31 | Crispix | maybe i need to enale it |
| 16:44.35 | Crispix | brb |
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| 16:46.32 | Wobin_ | I think you can reach a happy medium, ckknight. Just make the addon name FuBar - Addon. The author can then tack on Fu if they feel so inclined |
| 16:48.21 | Kirkburn | Crispix, it definately changes it. Any jaggedness is WoW, and unavoidable :S |
| 16:48.37 | ckknight | I'm thinking so, Wobin_ |
| 16:48.56 | ckknight | but what about the website |
| 16:49.07 | ckknight | FuBar - PluginFu or just PluginFu? |
| 16:49.07 | Tain | I thought FuBar was a joke name. :/ |
| 16:49.20 | ckknight | it sorta is |
| 16:49.23 | ckknight | blame Cairenn |
| 16:49.26 | Kirkburn | "My UI is FuBar!" |
| 16:49.39 | Kirkburn | "I'm so sorry for you" |
| 16:49.41 | ckknight | This whole operation is FuBar, soldier |
| 16:49.44 | Wobin_ | You did have it originally <barname> - <addon> |
| 16:49.52 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:50.02 | ckknight | fuck it, I'm going to FuBar - PluginFu, it works better |
| 16:50.22 | Kirkburn | FuFu |
| 16:51.15 | Adrine | ATTN: Northeast people |
| 16:51.22 | Adrine | I am greatly amused watching you all flip out at the snow |
| 16:51.32 | Adrine | PS, I wore sandals to work today. |
| 16:52.02 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap Adrine |
| 16:52.03 | purl | ACTION beats Adrine upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:52.45 | Adrine | >_> |
| 16:52.52 | Adrine | I'll be quiet come July |
| 16:53.03 | Adrine | But right now, I bask in my Arizonaness. :D |
| 16:54.04 | Tain | I'm still thinking about moving to Vegas. |
| 16:54.27 | Adrine | Bah, server is overloaded, so I can't give a link |
| 16:54.34 | Crispix | Cairenn... have you ever used Forgotten Chat? |
| 16:54.35 | Adrine | But Sony just confirmed that the PS3 will retail at $500 |
| 16:54.42 | Cairenn | Crispix: why? |
| 16:54.52 | Crispix | It looks a bit..... intimidating. |
| 16:57.16 | Legorol^ | I need advice: I need a new graphics card, and would like to make it an NVidia |
| 16:57.19 | Legorol^ | any recommendations? |
| 16:57.26 | Legorol^ | Willing to give PCI-Express a go |
| 16:57.51 | Tain | 7900GT or GTX |
| 16:57.57 | Adrine | Legorol^: I just bought a 7600GT for $190. It's performing very well so far. |
| 16:58.01 | Tain | 7800 to save a little. |
| 16:58.06 | Crispix | :nod: Tain's right |
| 16:59.28 | Tain | If you really want to get silly get 2 7900s and run SLI. :) |
| 17:02.51 | Legorol^ | thanks, next question: what's difference between DDR and DDR2 RAM? |
| 17:02.53 | Crispix | Does anyone here know how much your first mount costs? |
| 17:03.02 | Legorol^ | Crispix: 90g |
| 17:03.04 | Legorol^ | including training |
| 17:03.15 | Legorol^ | unless for some miracle you haven't obtained honored rep with your faction yet |
| 17:03.16 | Crispix | Tankee Legorol^ ^_^ |
| 17:03.18 | Legorol^ | in which case it's 100g |
| 17:03.31 | Legorol^ | *fation -> race |
| 17:03.41 | Crispix | Getting http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2845 for monitoring my spendatures |
| 17:03.46 | Adrine | This is awesome. http://www.brainhz.com/underhanded/ |
| 17:03.47 | Corrodias | DDR2 ram has a higher clock rate with higher latency |
| 17:03.48 | Tain | Speed, Legorol. But not a huge deal right now. |
| 17:03.50 | Legorol^ | the only way it will cost 100g if you say start as a Gnome and do only Night Elf quests |
| 17:04.07 | Legorol^ | Tain: when you say speed, do you mean frequency? |
| 17:04.10 | Crispix | yeh.. I thnk It might cost me 100 gold :( |
| 17:04.23 | Legorol^ | because i see both DDR 400MHz and DDR2 400 MHz chips |
| 17:04.37 | Corrodias | there should be no difference between the two, that i'm aware. |
| 17:04.41 | Legorol^ | Crispix: in the vast majority of the cases, you would have honored rep with your own race |
| 17:04.46 | Legorol^ | in which case it costs 90g |
| 17:04.52 | Corrodias | except that i think intel boards usually require ddr2? |
| 17:04.54 | Wobin_ | Unless you've done none of the newbie quests =) |
| 17:05.00 | Legorol^ | Corrodias: so what does the "2" stand for? |
| 17:05.06 | Legorol^ | is it different specs? |
| 17:05.10 | Corrodias | a different standard |
| 17:05.23 | Legorol^ | and they are not in general interchangable? |
| 17:05.34 | Corrodias | i -imagine- they perform identically and i -imagine- that they are not interchangable |
| 17:05.42 | Legorol^ | :/ |
| 17:05.46 | Legorol^ | i better watch out for that the |
| 17:05.50 | Legorol^ | thanks |
| 17:05.51 | Tain | Oh wait DDR2 is different RAM. |
| 17:05.57 | kremonte | DDR2 sucks |
| 17:06.09 | Corrodias | for one thing, they don't fit in each other's slots, so you can't interchange them anyway |
| 17:06.10 | Kirkburn | Riiiight |
| 17:06.11 | Tain | It's 240pin |
| 17:06.14 | kremonte | DDR1 is pretty much faster |
| 17:06.14 | Legorol^ | kremonte: rather than making useful value judgement, why don't you swamp me with useless technical details? |
| 17:06.16 | Tain | DDR is 168 |
| 17:06.22 | Legorol^ | Tain: thanks |
| 17:06.24 | kremonte | it accesses data more efficiently |
| 17:06.26 | Tain | So it depends on what your MB requires. |
| 17:06.32 | Legorol^ | do you have a link to a good site with this kind of things explained? |
| 17:06.44 | kremonte | personally, i'd get a mobo with 2slot DDR1, 2slot DDR2 |
| 17:06.46 | Tain | I only remember because I was looking recently when buying new stuff. |
| 17:06.53 | Tain | I would not get one that supports both. |
| 17:06.56 | kremonte | so you can use DDR1 until things are better made for DDR2 |
| 17:07.03 | kremonte | otherwise, DDR2 is a waste (imo) and just wait for DDR3 |
| 17:07.08 | Tain | They usually do a memory conversion that slows things down in order to force them to use the same bus. |
| 17:07.09 | Legorol^ | well the thing is, i have 2xDDR 400 modules |
| 17:07.15 | Legorol^ | i'd reuse them if i can |
| 17:07.17 | Corrodias | kremonte: what CPU can use either? |
| 17:07.18 | Legorol^ | to save gold |
| 17:07.23 | kremonte | CPU? |
| 17:07.26 | kremonte | CPU has nothing to do with it |
| 17:07.40 | Tain | You can, Legorol. Just buy a board that uses 168 pin DDR and you'll be fine. |
| 17:07.44 | Legorol^ | kremonte: that was my guess too, that it depends on the mobo only |
| 17:07.48 | Wobin_ | Legorol^: To save gold? |
| 17:07.49 | Legorol^ | however, intel's site seems to be misleading |
| 17:07.53 | Corrodias | the memory controller is integrated into the processor for AMD CPU's. it has to have -something- to do with it. |
| 17:07.58 | kremonte | intels site is a LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 17:08.01 | Legorol^ | when you look for the specs of a processor, it lists whether it supports DDR or DDR2 |
| 17:08.11 | kremonte | all of mine have supported both /shrug |
| 17:08.14 | Legorol^ | Wobin_: ehm.. i meant $$$ |
| 17:08.18 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 17:08.18 | Legorol^ | damn WoW, i think in gold |
| 17:08.21 | Tain | It's really more the motherboard that you have to worry about than the CPU, support wise. |
| 17:08.23 | Corrodias | okay, that could be true. |
| 17:08.25 | Wobin_ | GOLD == USD |
| 17:08.51 | Legorol^ | ok, so i need a new CPU, mobo, gfx card |
| 17:08.57 | Legorol^ | any suggestions on which Intel cpu to get? |
| 17:09.04 | Legorol^ | 3+ GHz |
| 17:09.10 | Legorol^ | and no, i won't get amd |
| 17:09.24 | Tain | Then no, I have no suggestions and you are dead to me. |
| 17:09.47 | Kirkburn | Legorol, why not? I normally get Intel myself, but what are your reasons? |
| 17:10.16 | Wobin_ | I often have had issues with AMD previously myself... |
| 17:10.24 | Wobin_ | (Mostly in that they run really really hot) |
| 17:10.33 | Adrine | That's not the case, comparatively anymore |
| 17:10.40 | Kirkburn | lol, P4 were much worse with heat |
| 17:10.42 | Tain | I haven't bought an Intel CPU since my 300A that I ran at 450. |
| 17:10.53 | Corrodias | 1) why do you care about heat? 2) the athlon 64 is extremely cool |
| 17:10.54 | Adrine | The latest gen Intel stuff tends to run even hotter than AMD's current gen stuff |
| 17:11.00 | Kirkburn | But I digress, basically, nowadays there's little to choose between them |
| 17:11.05 | Kirkburn | Other than price |
| 17:11.08 | Wobin_ | 1) Hehe, where I had my CPU, was under the desk next to my leg |
| 17:11.19 | Adrine | I'm running an Athlon X2 3800+ and it runs in the 30c range idle, and 45-50 under load |
| 17:11.21 | Kirkburn | Adrine, not if it's a Mobile processor based CPU |
| 17:11.29 | Wobin_ | Not too good in air circulation there, and I often almost burnt my leg, sometimes =P |
| 17:11.31 | Adrine | Desktop stuff, Kirkburn :) |
| 17:11.37 | Tain | Oh actually that's right, my laptop was a P3-800. I forgot. |
| 17:11.40 | Kirkburn | Also in desktops now |
| 17:12.19 | Kirkburn | The Intel naming scheme is totally messed up, so I couldn't tell you which are based on which cores though |
| 17:12.56 | Corrodias | i have tried to consider buying an intel system but i couldn't figure out their numbers |
| 17:13.00 | wereHamster | I have an amd64 CPU and I'm very happy :) |
| 17:13.02 | Kirkburn | If it has an M in the name, though, that probably means it's Pentium Mobile based which is an *excellent* choice |
| 17:13.03 | Adrine | *shrug* I've been buying AMD for years, mostly because an AMD chip + a good cooling solution is still a lot cheaper than an equivalent Intel chip. :) |
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| 17:13.33 | Corrodias | i THINK the "D" CPU's are the dual core ones |
| 17:13.49 | Kirkburn | basically, look for CPUs at the price you're willing to pay and see what's the best you can get |
| 17:13.59 | Kirkburn | 64bit would be best of course |
| 17:14.07 | Corrodias | then there's a lot of hand-waving over whether or not the intel CPU's support 64-bit operating systems. i could not figure that one out from the intel web site. |
| 17:14.19 | Adrine | Dual core, baby. That's the way to go :) |
| 17:14.41 | Corrodias | i don't multitask anywhere near enough to justify spending more money for a second core at the same speed. :) |
| 17:14.43 | Kirkburn | And dual core too :P Support is getting better for that |
| 17:14.45 | Tain | At this point it doesn't matter for desktops much, Corrodias. Not that it won't ever, but today it doesn't as WinXP64 is still not mature enough. |
| 17:15.11 | Kirkburn | Depends how long this CPU is going to be used, really |
| 17:15.13 | Tain | And from what I remember the IA64 CPUs do run 64bit Linux ok. But that's memory. |
| 17:15.47 | Cafeine__ | AMD X2 >Pentium D (by far)... but Conroe > AMD X2 (conroe is the news gen Intel CPU, available around june) |
| 17:17.11 | Beladona | EM64T |
| 17:17.17 | Beladona | is the intel 64 bt I believe |
| 17:17.18 | wereHamster | who needs win64 is there is linux :) |
| 17:17.33 | kremonte | agreed |
| 17:17.37 | kremonte | linux 64 > win64 /giggle |
| 17:17.52 | Beladona | why not just have both |
| 17:17.54 | kremonte | LEENUCKS SIXTY FOUR |
| 17:18.05 | kremonte | coz windows 64 is more buggy than the earliest alpha of any 64bit linux distro |
| 17:18.08 | Corrodias | my new computer runs a single core athlon 64 3700+, which i believe was the best choice for value given my computing needs (very little multitasking) |
| 17:18.12 | kremonte | in fact, windows xp is more buggy |
| 17:18.12 | Beladona | its getting better |
| 17:18.18 | kremonte | it's windows |
| 17:18.20 | kremonte | silly |
| 17:18.28 | Beladona | Server 2003 R2 is pretty stable in 64bit |
| 17:18.35 | Corrodias | R2? |
| 17:18.40 | Beladona | yeah |
| 17:18.40 | kremonte | why would people use windows server |
| 17:18.41 | kremonte | :x |
| 17:18.51 | Corrodias | i use 2k3 server because it's sexy |
| 17:18.55 | Beladona | we use it here |
| 17:19.02 | Beladona | too many LOBs that require windows platforms |
| 17:19.08 | Tain | I woulnd't say XP 64 is buggy at all, at least moreso than anything else. It's the driver support that's lacking, and buggy. And not all of that is MS's drivers. |
| 17:19.11 | Corrodias | and because i wanted to try something slightly different |
| 17:19.21 | Tain | And why would someone use Windows server? Because they're smart business people? |
| 17:19.46 | kremonte | because linux servers are generally mroe stable and..free? |
| 17:20.00 | Tem | what sort of Object is UIParent? |
| 17:20.03 | Tem | is it a Frame? |
| 17:20.07 | Corrodias | more stable? what rock do you live under, man? |
| 17:20.21 | kremonte | panelling on my roof, that's all |
| 17:20.22 | kremonte | :-) |
| 17:20.28 | Corrodias | i wish i lived underground |
| 17:20.47 | Adrine | Funny story |
| 17:21.04 | Adrine | At work, we were checking uptimes on our Linux machines, and one reported an uptime of something like 2d3h |
| 17:21.14 | Beladona | when linux can run SQL Server, among other important server based applications, let me know |
| 17:21.15 | Tain | Whew, for a second I thought my new case didn't come with any MB spacers. |
| 17:21.23 | Adrine | Server admin freaked out, started looking for signs on a break-in |
| 17:21.27 | Beladona | till then, we are on an MS Domain |
| 17:21.34 | Adrine | Turns out the box had just been up so long that the uptime had rolled over. |
| 17:21.37 | kremonte | linux can't run sql? ?_? |
| 17:21.45 | kremonte | news to my ears :x |
| 17:21.52 | Beladona | Microsoft SQL? |
| 17:21.53 | Adrine | MS SQL server |
| 17:21.54 | Corrodias | uptime rolling over is a beautiful thing |
| 17:22.10 | Adrine | I think it had been up for a little over 3 years |
| 17:22.13 | wereHamster | Beladona, did you try to run MSSQL under wine? |
| 17:22.21 | Beladona | oh yeah, thyat would be smart |
| 17:22.39 | Tain | It's not always just about "getting" something to run. |
| 17:22.46 | Tain | It's also about it being supported. |
| 17:22.50 | Beladona | I would NEVER run a production quality critical server application under wine |
| 17:23.08 | Adrine | Gotta agree with Beladona, as much a fan of Linux servers as I am. |
| 17:23.11 | Tain | When something can't have downtime for more than a few minutes or else the company starts losing money, you factor that in. |
| 17:23.21 | kremonte | why do people use ms sql? :/ |
| 17:23.37 | kremonte | in the first place, i mean |
| 17:23.39 | Beladona | because they have to |
| 17:23.44 | Adrine | Support, I suppose |
| 17:23.45 | kremonte | eh? |
| 17:23.46 | Beladona | some software requires it |
| 17:23.47 | Corrodias | because the boss said so |
| 17:23.52 | kremonte | stupid bosses. |
| 17:23.55 | Corrodias | some software needs to stop being ghey |
| 17:23.55 | wereHamster | doesn't mysql provide support? |
| 17:24.00 | Adrine | Good integration with MS's dev tools, which makes it a path of least resistance |
| 17:24.02 | Tain | See in the "real world" there's more to think about. |
| 17:24.09 | Corrodias | sql server applications are so ridiculously different |
| 17:24.21 | Adrine | Though I'm not sure why you'd pick MS SQL for a high-load app |
| 17:24.48 | Beladona | I have been through the whole linux vs microsoft thing before. A vast majority of sql driven applications (commercial) are MSSQL based |
| 17:24.49 | Corrodias | "sql" basically gaurantees you have SELECT and UPDATE statements, and very little else. the syntax and data types vary. |
| 17:24.57 | Tain | Apps depend on it, people are trained in it, it does actually work fine. |
| 17:25.06 | kremonte | less cost effective |
| 17:25.15 | kremonte | i guess in a few years thigs should be different |
| 17:25.18 | Tain | Again, we're in the real world here. :) |
| 17:25.26 | zenzelezz | lies! |
| 17:25.26 | Corrodias | therefore, very seldom are sql servers interchangable |
| 17:25.29 | ckknight | MSSQL is pretty nice, actually |
| 17:25.32 | kremonte | Tain: what a vague statement |
| 17:25.35 | Adrine | Extremely seldom |
| 17:25.38 | Beladona | you can't call something cost effective when there is only one choice |
| 17:25.42 | [MoonWolf] | tain, irc is real too. |
| 17:25.47 | Adrine | And you can only reall interchange them when you're doing queries in a wrapper language |
| 17:25.49 | Beladona | there are no alternatives |
| 17:25.53 | Tain | "less cost effective" is even more vague. |
| 17:26.00 | kremonte | costs less money? |
| 17:26.01 | kremonte | lol. |
| 17:26.13 | kremonte | things will change in a few years tho, no doubt about it imo |
| 17:26.17 | Beladona | for the software maybe |
| 17:26.21 | kremonte | yar |
| 17:26.23 | Adrine | kremonte: What about money lost from bad performance? Downtime? Lack of support? |
| 17:26.34 | Adrine | Initial cost isn't all there is to a DB server |
| 17:26.36 | kremonte | why are linux and ms products different in that? |
| 17:26.37 | Adrine | Development time |
| 17:26.40 | Adrine | Programmers are expensive :) |
| 17:26.42 | Tain | I've been using Linux since pre-1.0 kernel, before there was a real "distro." I've also been supporting business systems for almost as long. Linux isn't the answer to everything. |
| 17:26.42 | Beladona | but the time spent training, and doing many things manually that can't be done in an app that supports mysql? that tranlates into money too |
| 17:26.59 | Corrodias | linux was specifically designed to piss me off, you see |
| 17:27.08 | Corrodias | any time i have to work in linux, my productivity falls by at least 50% |
| 17:27.16 | kremonte | Corrodias: too used to windows? |
| 17:27.18 | Adrine | Heh. That's probably just a training issue. :) |
| 17:27.21 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 17:27.26 | kremonte | more people are using linux |
| 17:27.31 | kremonte | so more people are growing up using linux |
| 17:27.33 | Beladona | you can run windows workstations on a linux network, that isn't the problem |
| 17:27.36 | Adrine | I use Windows for my desktop stuff, Linux for my scripting and serving and stuff, and it works for me. |
| 17:27.46 | kremonte | so in the long run, more people will be using linux, more applications will exist, etc |
| 17:27.51 | Beladona | most of the problems are server side ones |
| 17:27.53 | kremonte | for me, linux is more stable, and it gives me less problems |
| 17:28.01 | Corrodias | doesn't VMware have an OS that just runs virtual machines? |
| 17:28.03 | Beladona | you have to make a lot of compromises to run a linux network |
| 17:28.12 | Corrodias | or do all of their products require a host OS? |
| 17:28.12 | Adrine | Beladona: Like what? |
| 17:28.13 | Beladona | if you depend on a lot of server applications |
| 17:28.21 | wereHamster | Corrodias, I think it's called GSX server |
| 17:28.25 | Beladona | reduction in commercial choices for one |
| 17:28.44 | kremonte | well Beladona |
| 17:28.47 | kremonte | what does your company do? |
| 17:28.50 | Beladona | go find me a software suite that is as good as Creative Solutions products, that is linux based |
| 17:29.06 | Beladona | Accounting, Financial Coordination, Law |
| 17:29.18 | kremonte | i'm lost in that field |
| 17:29.19 | kremonte | sooo |
| 17:29.30 | Beladona | well we did the research |
| 17:29.33 | Beladona | there is very little |
| 17:29.49 | Beladona | plenty to choose from on windows though |
| 17:30.28 | Adrine | I'd argue that's more a business app than a framework app |
| 17:30.30 | Beladona | I do hate the licensing costs of running a windows network, but unfortunately its either that or loss of productivity and options |
| 17:30.30 | wereHamster | Beladona, 1: write your own software, 2: ???, 3: profit |
| 17:30.33 | Tain | Every app my company brings in from a vendor we ask about Linux support. |
| 17:30.41 | Tain | And when they dont' have it, we ask about future plans. |
| 17:30.44 | Beladona | we would need to hire programmers |
| 17:30.54 | Beladona | which would still translate into money |
| 17:31.03 | Beladona | and would take time |
| 17:31.07 | Tain | We use Linux where it makes sense, and don't try to force things that don't. |
| 17:31.10 | wereHamster | you always need to invest first :) |
| 17:31.15 | Adrine | Tain: Precisely :) |
| 17:31.39 | Tain | The right tool for the job, that's all. |
| 17:32.04 | Beladona | exactly what Tain said |
| 17:32.07 | Tain | You *can* apply a screw with a hammer, but it doesn't mean you should. |
| 17:32.07 | Adrine | No sense in banging in a nail with a pair of pliers. :) |
| 17:32.11 | Beladona | you have to use what works for your needs |
| 17:32.16 | Beladona | even if it means windows |
| 17:32.31 | Tain | Or Solaris, or AIX, or VMS, or... |
| 17:32.35 | Beladona | aye |
| 17:32.43 | Tain | We still have mainframe systems. |
| 17:32.56 | Beladona | I do try to go open source wherever possible though |
| 17:33.06 | Beladona | I am still trying to ween people off of MS Office |
| 17:33.07 | Adrine | Zealotism is great for personal pursuits, but it rarely makes for the most stable, productive, or cost-effective systems, IMO. |
| 17:33.45 | Adrine | Where a tool is genuinely better, use it. When it's not, don't, and having a brand name attached or not attached doesn't necessarily make it better or not better. |
| 17:35.19 | Beladona | I believe in making systems work for you. Not the other way around. Which is why a mixed environment is usually better than one that is only linux or windows |
| 17:35.38 | Tain | Sure if I could get paid to travel the country and speak to groups of people on the joys of open source like RMS I'd love to. |
| 17:37.20 | Beladona | I love linux though |
| 17:38.05 | Beladona | Ubuntu 6 is shaping up to eb serious pwnage |
| 17:38.46 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, like 5 and 4 and 3 and |
| 17:38.57 | [MoonWolf] | wait almost all of ubuntu is serieus pwnage |
| 17:39.34 | Miravlix | I used Ubuntu until my servers harddisk crashed, so what are they upto? |
| 17:39.36 | Beladona | 6 has lots of eye candy tho |
| 17:42.44 | Miravlix | I don't use my eyes to run a server |
| 17:43.37 | Legorol^ | does normal windows XP run on 64-bit processors? |
| 17:43.45 | Adrine | Yup |
| 17:43.51 | Legorol^ | is Athlon 64 or whatever a 64-bit processor? |
| 17:43.55 | Adrine | Yes |
| 17:44.06 | Legorol^ | does the motherboard have to support the 64-bit processor to run it in 64-bit mode? |
| 17:44.17 | Legorol^ | what other requirements are there on the hardware to make use of 64-bit features? |
| 17:44.26 | Adrine | The motherboard has to support the 64-bit processor for it to work at all. It's a different socket. |
| 17:44.26 | Legorol^ | memory? mobo chipset? northbridge/southbridge? |
| 17:44.37 | Miravlix | Run Linux. :p |
| 17:44.39 | Legorol^ | Adrine: i'm not wondering about the socket type |
| 17:44.45 | Kirkburn | If you get a 64 bit motherboard, you're set |
| 17:44.45 | Adrine | For the most part, nothing else special is needed. |
| 17:44.51 | Miravlix | Windows isn't really 64 bit yet |
| 17:44.55 | Legorol^ | ok, then a basic question: |
| 17:45.00 | Legorol^ | what *is* a 64-bit processor? |
| 17:45.03 | Legorol^ | what's 64-bit about it? |
| 17:45.09 | zenzelezz | registers |
| 17:45.10 | Adrine | The 64 bit CPUs use different sockets from the 32-bit CPUs. If your motherboard fits the chip, it supports 64-bit processing |
| 17:45.27 | Legorol^ | Adrine: i am not worried about physical socket |
| 17:45.42 | Legorol^ | i am sure that there isn't a one-to-one map between socket type and 64/32-bit |
| 17:45.42 | Adrine | Just sayin', if you get that right, you don't have to worry about the rest. :) |
| 17:45.50 | Legorol^ | can't be true |
| 17:45.57 | Legorol^ | e.g. intel 775-pin CPUs: |
| 17:46.02 | Legorol^ | some are 32, some are 64 bit |
| 17:46.07 | Beladona | correct |
| 17:46.15 | Legorol^ | so it's not just about the physical socket type |
| 17:46.18 | Adrine | Hm, I may be misinformed then. |
| 17:46.26 | Adrine | I know the AMD stuff at least uses unique sockets. |
| 17:46.36 | Legorol^ | that may be, i am not familiar with AMD at all |
| 17:46.45 | krka | 32 bits should be enough for everyone |
| 17:46.45 | Legorol^ | i only know the Intel family (in too much detail ) |
| 17:46.46 | kremonte | i have a 64bit 775 =^) |
| 17:46.53 | Legorol^ | ok, back to the basic question: |
| 17:46.55 | Beladona | there isn't anything in an intel motherboard that says "I am 64bit". but if the motherboard supports the processor, and the processor is 64bit, then it supports 64bit |
| 17:46.59 | Legorol^ | so a 64-bit processor has 64-bit register |
| 17:47.06 | Beladona | you just have to make sure the motherboard and processor are compatible |
| 17:47.07 | Kirkburn | To use 64 bit ... you need a 64 bit motherboard. A 64 bit processor. And a 64bit OS. And 64 bit progs |
| 17:47.13 | zenzelezz | Athlon 64s can run both 32 and 64 bit code though, depending on the OS |
| 17:47.17 | Legorol^ | what about RAM? |
| 17:47.24 | Kirkburn | RAM is independent |
| 17:47.27 | krka | ram should be same |
| 17:47.27 | Legorol^ | wouldn't the RAM have to support a 64-bit bus? |
| 17:47.32 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 17:47.44 | Legorol^ | wouldn't it be a bottleneck? |
| 17:47.50 | krka | no |
| 17:48.00 | Legorol^ | say you want to load a 64-bit piece of data from RAM into a register |
| 17:48.05 | krka | you have caches too |
| 17:48.08 | Legorol^ | wouldn't having only 32-bit bus going to RAM limit that? |
| 17:48.17 | Legorol^ | ok, thanks for your explanations |
| 17:48.23 | krka | with good cache, most cpu operations don't need the ram |
| 17:48.23 | Kirkburn | There just isn't any such thing as 64bit ram :) |
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| 17:48.26 | Legorol^ | i'm assuming that a 64-bit processor also has new instruction set? |
| 17:48.27 | zenzelezz | not sure about how Intel processors do it, but AMD 64s have the memory controller built into the CPU, so it bypasses the northbridge |
| 17:48.36 | Legorol^ | Kirkburn: there is such thing as dual-channel though |
| 17:48.43 | Legorol^ | which is an effective 64-bit bus |
| 17:48.49 | krka | i am guessing 64 bit instruction set is a superset of 32 bit |
| 17:48.55 | Legorol^ | yeah it should be |
| 17:49.18 | krka | you worry way too much about this :) |
| 17:49.21 | Legorol^ | ok, so it sounds like there is no point in a 64-bit processor me, as it's not supported much by software yet |
| 17:49.33 | Legorol^ | krka: i need to understand what i am doing to the utmost |
| 17:49.38 | krka | that's my conclusion as well |
| 17:49.48 | krka | but anyone who actually uses a 64 bit processor probably knows better |
| 17:49.48 | zenzelezz | depends... over here it's easier to find 64 bit CPUs than 32 bits these days |
| 17:49.54 | Legorol^ | if i buy a chip with fancy words like "64-bit" "EIST" "HT" "IVT" on it, i want to know what those mean |
| 17:50.08 | Beladona | you can get an OS, and hardware that support 64bit, but nothing takes advantage of it yet |
| 17:50.12 | Beladona | not much anyway |
| 17:50.16 | Legorol^ | right |
| 17:50.18 | krka | i don't care... i just recently learnt that CPU means ComPUter |
| 17:50.20 | Kirov | The new Intel cpus are 64 bit, but aren't billed as such. |
| 17:50.24 | krka | kinda sucky acronym though |
| 17:50.26 | Legorol^ | krka: LOL |
| 17:50.29 | Beladona | its similar to the dual processor issue of yesteryear |
| 17:50.33 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 17:50.34 | Miravlix | Uuh wtf krka |
| 17:50.35 | Legorol^ | Kirov: some are, some aren't, afaik |
| 17:50.38 | Adrine | CPU = Central Processing Unit |
| 17:50.38 | Wobin_ | no it doesn't =) |
| 17:50.40 | Miravlix | CPU is Central Processing Unit |
| 17:50.45 | Wobin_ | What Adrine said =) |
| 17:50.49 | Legorol^ | krka was joking, guys |
| 17:50.55 | Adrine | I thought so. but I wasn't sure. |
| 17:50.59 | Legorol^ | btw someone earlier said they can't figure out Intel's numbering/naming scheme |
| 17:51.01 | Legorol^ | i can help you out there |
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| 17:51.04 | Adrine | You must ingest more caffeine! |
| 17:51.12 | krka | i feel offended by all of you who didn't think i was joking :P |
| 17:51.18 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 17:51.52 | krka | almost no rested state now... that means i should do some coding |
| 17:52.16 | Kirkburn | Legorol^, that was me, but I'm not in the market for a CPU atm, so I'm not bothered :) Plus I could just look it up! |
| 17:52.19 | Beladona | http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/body_learn_pentcel.htm |
| 17:52.21 | Beladona | read that |
| 17:52.54 | Kirov | Legorol - the Server versions of the "core" cpus are billed as 64 bit cpus, and the laptop ones, which are identical in architecture, aren't billed as such. |
| 17:52.57 | Adrine | AMD started a bad precedent with the fancy naming schemes. Put the speed, bits, and cores in the name plz. |
| 17:53.59 | Legorol^ | Beladona: that is quite a good page, but only 90% complete |
| 17:53.59 | Kirov | Adrine - Well, you can blaim Intel for that though. |
| 17:53.59 | Legorol^ | older-type Intel P4 with HT don't have processor numbers |
| 17:53.59 | Legorol^ | hence they are not represented on that page |
| 17:54.00 | Legorol^ | in particular no 478-pin P4 has a processor number |
| 17:54.04 | Kirov | Users are dumb, bigger number > better |
| 17:54.08 | Adrine | Well, for the most part, until AMD started with the XP "This means it's as fast as an X.Y GHz Intel CPU" thing, for the most part it was "Processor VersionNo MHz" |
| 17:54.25 | Adrine | Pentium 3 450. Not hard, see? :) |
| 17:54.39 | Legorol^ | it was that easy because intel didn't make different versions of the same processor back then |
| 17:54.45 | Legorol^ | you only had two types: normal and celeron |
| 17:54.50 | Kirov | Adrine - pre-athlon, all of AMD's cpus were named like that though |
| 17:54.53 | Beladona | there is a PDF attached that has all processors and features Legorol |
| 17:54.53 | Legorol^ | but nowadays it would produce processor with varying feature sets |
| 17:54.57 | Beladona | which is a better read |
| 17:54.59 | Legorol^ | Beladona: yes i know |
| 17:55.02 | Kirov | with a "equivalent speed" vs. real speed |
| 17:55.07 | Adrine | Kirov: I know. Post-Athlon, they got all funky on us. |
| 17:55.11 | Legorol^ | i know more about intel's processors then i'd like to |
| 17:55.18 | Adrine | And then started this whole "Hey, I have bigger numbers than my competitior!" crazy |
| 17:55.30 | Tain | It was Apple that started that though, not AMD. |
| 17:55.31 | Legorol^ | if i had to buy an AMD, i'd go completely confused |
| 17:55.36 | Legorol^ | no idea what naming scheme they use |
| 17:55.51 | Legorol^ | so, what about AMD's 64-bit CPUs? |
| 17:55.52 | Adrine | For the most part, bigger is better. Just don't rely on the name to tell you speed. |
| 17:55.53 | Tain | Apple went on a big campaign a few years back to say processor speed wasn't everything. |
| 17:55.53 | Kirov | Adrine - But it's really Intel who started it all. |
| 17:56.02 | Legorol^ | what do you need on one of those to get 64-bit stuff running? |
| 17:56.11 | Legorol^ | just a mobo and software that supports it? |
| 17:56.22 | Kirov | They forced their cpu designers to make a procressor that could make the highest clock speeds, vs. actual performance |
| 17:56.23 | Adrine | A socket 754 or socket 939 mobo and appropriate CPU. :) |
| 17:56.33 | Legorol^ | Adrine: what does socket have to do with it |
| 17:56.33 | Adrine | And software, of course. |
| 17:57.00 | Kirov | Since then their engineers have had to back track their core designs towards P3 again to actually get them fast. |
| 17:57.07 | Kirov | ie: Pentium M |
| 17:57.22 | Adrine | AMD's 64-bit chips use socket 754 (depricated) and 939 (current), wheras the Athlon chips used socket A |
| 17:57.33 | Adrine | Err, 32-bit Athlon chips |
| 17:57.36 | Beladona | Pentium M have better performance per clock than Pentium 4s |
| 17:57.54 | Kirov | All of the more recent Intel CPUs are based off of the Pentium M cpu instead of the various P4 cores. |
| 17:58.10 | Legorol^ | aha, from Intel's page: Intel® EM64T requires a computer system with a processor, chipset, BIOS, operating system, device drivers and applications enabled for Intel EM64T. Processor will not operate (including 32-bit operation) without an Intel EM64T-enabled BIOS. |
| 17:58.18 | Kirov | Beladona - which is something that has always been against Intel's marketing scheme. |
| 17:58.24 | Legorol^ | i think that answers my question |
| 17:58.35 | Beladona | which goes back to the motherboard supporting that processor |
| 17:58.51 | Kirov | The only reason why we use Intel cpus in todays computers is because theirs had a higher clock speed than the vastly superior ones that Motorola were trying to sell to IBM. |
| 17:59.22 | Tain | That was part of it, they were also undercutting Motorola which was probably a bigger part. |
| 17:59.37 | Kirov | Legorol - Intel 64 bit cpus are pointless right now. They're only for big server mainframe setups. |
| 17:59.38 | Corrodias | also they have a better name |
| 17:59.46 | Tain | But marketting helps, and bigger numbers are easier to market. |
| 17:59.48 | Corrodias | motorola sounds like a car manufacturer |
| 18:00.06 | Kirov | corr? |
| 18:00.14 | Kirov | oh, heh |
| 18:01.03 | Legorol^ | Kirov; that's what i'm thinking too |
| 18:01.08 | Legorol^ | not worth the hassle for playing WoW |
| 18:01.13 | Corrodias | "yeah i just bought a new Motorola Advantage, with antilock brakes and dual exhaust" |
| 18:01.58 | Kirov | AMD vs. Intel was an easy decission in the past. There was always one or the other that at the time was vastly superior than the other for less money. |
| 18:02.07 | Kirov | ok, not vastly, but decent enough |
| 18:02.12 | Kirov | These days, who cares |
| 18:02.40 | Kirov | Intel CPUs are cheaper now and caught up to AMD cpus for the most part. |
| 18:03.04 | Adrine | Cheaper? |
| 18:03.10 | Kirov | Cheaper than they were |
| 18:03.16 | Adrine | Oh, heh |
| 18:03.29 | Kirov | For a while you could buy an Intel CPU for $500, or a faster AMD for $220 |
| 18:04.00 | Kirov | Intel went through a huge process of hack n' slash on their cpu prices |
| 18:04.12 | Tain | There's a lot of little details to look at at each price point now. |
| 18:04.45 | Tain | Similar priced cpus might have similar speed, but one has 256k cache and the other 128k. |
| 18:04.58 | Legorol^ | i get lost in these details :( |
| 18:05.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu|Work (n=Shouryuu@37.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 18:05.08 | Tain | (As an example, it was a fwe weeks ago I was looking.) |
| 18:05.08 | Kirov | At this point, for general gaming / computing, it really comes down to two things. A) Do you plan on doing a lot of video encoding and B) Which one is cheaper this week. |
| 18:05.11 | Legorol^ | too much of a perfectionist, i can't just walk into a shop and buy something off the shelf |
| 18:05.15 | Legorol^ | i need to know what i am getting |
| 18:05.36 | Kirov | Legorol - It took me 2 years to buy myself a new computer. =) |
| 18:05.39 | Tain | Ok, get an Athlon XP 4200+ and an Asus A8N-SLI mb. :) |
| 18:06.00 | Kirov | I was playing Warcraft 3 on a Celeron 300 oc / 400 and a GeForce 1 |
| 18:06.32 | Tain | Off to look at an apartment. |
| 18:06.49 | Kirov | It also depends on what kind of money you're looking to spend. |
| 18:07.30 | Kirov | And what kind of video card setup you want. |
| 18:08.19 | Beladona | I just loaded up Shadowbane on my computer again last night |
| 18:08.26 | Beladona | talk about flash from the past |
| 18:10.27 | Legorol^ | ok, this is just nuts... i was looking on this online site, and they have two products up for sale |
| 18:10.28 | Kirkburn | Er, isn't the company behind that dead now? |
| 18:10.32 | Legorol^ | both are Intel processors, number 630 |
| 18:10.35 | Legorol^ | identical specs |
| 18:10.48 | Kirkburn | OEM/non-OEM? |
| 18:10.49 | Legorol^ | i was staring at it for a while, then i finally noticed that one has a Manufacturer's number that is |
| 18:10.52 | Legorol^ | BX80547PG3000F |
| 18:10.53 | Legorol^ | the other is |
| 18:10.55 | Legorol^ | BX80547PG3000FT |
| 18:11.00 | Legorol^ | no, they are both retail boxed |
| 18:11.02 | Kirkburn | oooh |
| 18:11.07 | Kirkburn | er |
| 18:11.11 | Kirkburn | no idea |
| 18:11.26 | Legorol^ | a bit of scouring on Intel's webpage reveals this: |
| 18:11.28 | Legorol^ | This processor comes with both an ATX and BTX thermal solution. The ATX product code is BX80547PG3000F and the BTX product code is BX80547PG3000FT. |
| 18:11.35 | Legorol^ | now go figure |
| 18:11.43 | Legorol^ | unless you read that stuff, you end up with the wrong thermal solution |
| 18:11.56 | Kirov | thermal solution |
| 18:11.57 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:12.00 | Legorol^ | it's impossible to buy a processor like this... too much info, too little detail |
| 18:12.11 | Legorol^ | on the online shop's site, just not enough detail |
| 18:12.26 | Kirov | Honestly, I don't think it matters terribly. |
| 18:12.31 | Legorol^ | Kirov: i'm assuming that what it means is whether the included heatsink fits in an ATX or BTX case |
| 18:12.54 | Legorol^ | it kinda matters |
| 18:12.58 | Kirov | Legorol - but the socket is all that matters. |
| 18:13.00 | Legorol^ | a BTX one is probably crap |
| 18:13.06 | Kirkburn | Wow, did it not say whether one was BTX or ATX? That's baaaad |
| 18:13.12 | Legorol^ | Kirov: no you don't understand, i *need* to get these details right |
| 18:13.13 | Kirov | an BTX one will be slightly smaller, but it'll still fit in the ATX |
| 18:13.14 | Cide | heh |
| 18:13.23 | Legorol^ | Kirov: yes, and probably perform worse |
| 18:13.27 | Kirkburn | BTX is better than ATX, if you get a BTX case |
| 18:13.28 | Cide | now that RegisterForSave is removed, I kinda need it |
| 18:13.29 | Kirov | Well, obviously |
| 18:13.31 | Kirov | But who cares |
| 18:13.38 | Kirov | Don't use the retail cooler |
| 18:13.39 | Kirov | =P |
| 18:13.43 | Cide | that sucks :) |
| 18:13.43 | Legorol^ | i am just making apoint that such things you don't want to find out *after* you buy the stuff |
| 18:13.48 | Legorol^ | i need to know these things before buying |
| 18:13.50 | Kirov | Cide - lol |
| 18:13.54 | Legorol^ | and there are just too many things like these |
| 18:13.58 | Legorol^ | can't know it all! |
| 18:14.00 | Cide | well |
| 18:14.08 | Cide | I guess I'll use a global, but I don't want to |
| 18:14.20 | Kirov | Cide - what are you up to? |
| 18:14.28 | Legorol^ | i'd been happily using a retail cooler |
| 18:14.31 | Cide | I want to store the current raid ID |
| 18:14.41 | Legorol^ | max. temp it got to is 50 degrees |
| 18:14.43 | Legorol^ | i was happy with that |
| 18:14.48 | Cide | and I need to save it to SV in case the user reloads the UI or relogs |
| 18:14.56 | Legorol^ | anyways, thanks for all the help guys |
| 18:15.01 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 18:15.02 | Cide | RegisterForSave would've been perfect |
| 18:15.15 | Adrine | Cide, I just have a table that I keep my SVs in, and add indexes as necessary |
| 18:15.20 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:15.39 | Cide | but I have one table for options and one for the data stored |
| 18:15.46 | Cide | I guess I could put the raid id in options |
| 18:15.47 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Legorol^ (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 18:15.59 | Kirov | Cide - like another variable in CT_Raid is going to hurt anything. ;) |
| 18:16.09 | Cide | it's not for ctraid :) |
| 18:16.16 | Cide | well |
| 18:16.29 | Cide | I assume CT_Raid means CT_Raid*Assist* |
| 18:16.40 | Kirov | usually, yes |
| 18:16.43 | Cide | but I'm recoding CT_Raid*Tracker* from scratch |
| 18:16.59 | krka | ## OptionalDependencies: MapLibrary |
| 18:17.01 | krka | correct syntax? |
| 18:17.09 | Cide | ## OptionalDeps: |
| 18:17.16 | Cide | but OptionalDependencies might work too, not sure |
| 18:17.31 | Kirov | Does that actually do anyhting? |
| 18:17.37 | Cide | yes |
| 18:17.41 | krka | yes, it makes sure it loads after |
| 18:17.50 | Cide | if the addon is present, it is loaded before the addon in question, otherwise nothing happens |
| 18:17.56 | krka | hm, doesn't really matter in this case |
| 18:17.58 | krka | oh well |
| 18:18.12 | krka | gives feedback when choosing which addons to activate too |
| 18:19.04 | Kirov | Cide - btw, which raid id are you talking about? /raidinfo ? |
| 18:19.16 | ckknight | it's OptionalDeps: |
| 18:19.19 | ckknight | afaik |
| 18:19.21 | Cide | nah |
| 18:19.36 | Cide | just the index to CT_RT_Log for the current raid |
| 18:20.29 | krka | ckknight, i am currently modifying LocationFu to use MapLibrary, and i guess i should follow your code standards |
| 18:20.42 | krka | just wondering where to add my stuff |
| 18:20.54 | krka | i was thinking defining some local getters |
| 18:21.05 | krka | for GetPlayerMapPosition and stuff |
| 18:21.23 | krka | and setting them to the correct if maplibrary is loaded |
| 18:22.00 | Kirov | http://www.wimp.com/petter/ - scary |
| 18:23.57 | Kirkburn | I get no video |
| 18:23.59 | Kirkburn | Just sound |
| 18:25.33 | Kirkburn | Is it that BBC2 prog? |
| 18:26.54 | Kirov | abc |
| 18:27.57 | Cide | hmm |
| 18:28.45 | Cide | say I define a local function, can I then set the local function as a script handler? I'm too lazy to check myself, so does anyone know? |
| 18:29.11 | krka | yes you can |
| 18:29.29 | krka | almost all my stuff is local |
| 18:29.31 | Cide | good, thought so. thanks :) |
| 18:33.21 | krka | hm, this is kinda difficult to do... maybe i should just fork it instead |
| 18:42.08 | krka | ckknight's code is clear, but it still always hard to dig through OPC |
| 18:42.36 | Wobin_ | A fact of life, I'm afraid =) |
| 18:43.02 | zenzelezz | Other People's Code? |
| 18:43.06 | Wobin_ | yeh |
| 18:43.08 | JoshBorke | i'd say it's hard to dig through any code you haven't seen in a while |
| 18:43.25 | Wobin_ | I have issues sometimes with code I haven't looked at in a few weeks =P |
| 18:43.26 | krka | perhaps true |
| 18:43.44 | Wobin_ | . o O ("What was I -thinking- here?!?!") |
| 18:43.54 | krka | hmm... most of the zone functions apply to player zone, not map zone right? |
| 18:43.58 | zenzelezz | "I don't have to comment this, it's so obvious" |
| 18:43.59 | krka | (except map position) |
| 18:51.46 | krka | hm... what have i been smoking... not sure this will actually improve anything |
| 18:51.52 | krka | your code looks great ckknight |
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| 19:04.12 | krka | ckknight, you there? i have a working fork of your locationFu now |
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| 19:11.15 | krka | LocationFu is very good... SpeedFu is retarded |
| 19:11.26 | krka | SetMapToCurrentZone OnUpdate :( |
| 19:16.45 | kremonte | i can put stuff into a local table and nothing is global, right? |
| 19:16.56 | kremonte | local mytable = {} mytable.foo = "bar" |
| 19:16.57 | kremonte | si? |
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| 19:24.42 | krka | yes |
| 19:25.37 | kremonte | yayayaya |
| 19:26.17 | kremonte | local _, _, arg, val = string.find(s, "^(.+)=(.+)") |
| 19:26.19 | kremonte | would that work? |
| 19:26.24 | kremonte | to check for a=b |
| 19:26.29 | kremonte | cdcscdcsdc=sdfkldjngkjngdkjgn |
| 19:27.20 | krka | think so |
| 19:28.26 | Kirkburn|Bored | Can someone tell me how an Intel Mac is superior hardware to an Intel PC? |
| 19:28.52 | Kirkburn|Bored | Because, well, I don't see it |
| 19:29.38 | Kirkburn|Bored | "Apple has no desire or plan to sell or support Windows, but many customers have expressed their interest to run Windows on Apple's superior hardware now that we use Intel processors, said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. We think Boot Camp makes the Mac even more appealing to Windows users considering making the switch" |
| 19:29.43 | zenzelezz | I think it's just so the eccentric people can say they use a Mac while still being able to run programs they know how to use |
| 19:30.15 | Shouryuu | hahaha |
| 19:30.24 | Shouryuu | very true :P |
| 19:30.46 | Kirkburn|Bored | I'm gonna switch to a mac so I can use Windows! Yay! |
| 19:30.54 | Kirkburn|Bored | oh wait ... hang on ... |
| 19:30.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:31.14 | Cafeine__ | <--- mac user ;) don't bash somehthing you dont know ;) |
| 19:31.22 | AnduinLothar | it's because the mac hardware is custom tailored to work together. |
| 19:31.37 | zenzelezz | I'm not bashing Macs, I'm bashing the wannabies |
| 19:31.54 | Kirkburn|Bored | Now Microsoft have to release a prog to allow OSX to run on an Intel PC |
| 19:31.56 | zenzelezz | it's like the people who install Linux, then log into Windows to go on IRC and talk about how 1338 Linux is |
| 19:31.57 | AnduinLothar | speed tests of windows on the Intelmac have come out faser than the equivelent pc |
| 19:32.10 | Cafeine__ | haha ok zenzelezz :) |
| 19:32.15 | Kirkburn|Bored | Well yeah, for the reason you gave :) |
| 19:32.16 | zenzelezz | *1337... |
| 19:32.26 | krka | yay, made it work |
| 19:32.35 | Elkano | I think Apple only allows Windows on Macs in order to give ther Support Hotline some work... |
| 19:32.52 | krka | hmm... maybe i can add Speed to LocationFu... |
| 19:32.56 | Kirkburn|Bored | I'm sure if custom made a PC that fit perfectly with each other, I'd get WinXP running pretty fast |
| 19:33.04 | Kirkburn|Bored | I'd rather be able to upgrade though |
| 19:33.12 | AnduinLothar | right, it's custom tailored, that's why they call it "superior hardware" |
| 19:33.25 | Kirkburn|Bored | :) I know |
| 19:33.38 | AnduinLothar | then why did you ask |
| 19:34.06 | AnduinLothar | you can still upgrade evrything on a mac except the motherboard and proc |
| 19:34.20 | Maldivia | ups... |
| 19:34.40 | AnduinLothar | the proc is even socketed now, not sure if they sodder it in tho |
| 19:34.42 | Gryphen | superior configuration != superior hardware |
| 19:35.01 | Kirkburn|Bored | I'm stimulating discussion ... and what gryphen said is kinda what I was getting at. |
| 19:35.28 | Kirkburn|Bored | Are Intel Macs still more expensive? |
| 19:35.55 | AnduinLothar | than the equivelent pc? not that I know of. |
| 19:35.58 | Gryphen | you can have a 2.0 ghz computer out perform a 2.3 ghz with superior configuration and not superior hardware |
| 19:38.21 | Kirkburn|Bored | Apple seem to be moving towards PCs at last, which is nice |
| 19:38.41 | zenzelezz | so... I'm standing on my corpse, but don't get the respawn button... |
| 19:38.49 | kremonte | ./reload |
| 19:38.51 | kremonte | or ./console reloadui |
| 19:38.52 | Kirkburn|Bored | yeah, LOTS of people are getting that |
| 19:38.57 | kremonte | happens to me a lot lately |
| 19:39.06 | Wobin_ | yeah that happened to me |
| 19:39.07 | kremonte | you know it's going to happen if you don't see the pointer to your corpse |
| 19:39.09 | kremonte | while running baclk |
| 19:39.11 | zenzelezz | there we go, cheers |
| 19:42.21 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 19:44.16 | Kirkburn|Bored | Why so sad? |
| 19:44.23 | Kirkburn|Bored | (or angry) |
| 19:44.32 | kremonte | whoa |
| 19:44.41 | kremonte | i just realized that i got this table whoatf nested |
| 19:44.46 | kremonte | gLocals.adv.args.min = min |
| 19:44.46 | kremonte | gLocals.adv.args.max = max |
| 19:44.47 | kremonte | :( |
| 19:49.37 | Wobin_ | Any french or german people about? |
| 19:50.31 | Wobin_ | (who can translate a string for me) |
| 19:50.56 | kremonte | i can translate french |
| 19:51.03 | Wobin_ | woot. |
| 19:51.03 | kremonte | it might not be the best french though =P |
| 19:51.10 | kremonte | hit me |
| 19:51.15 | Wobin_ | It'll certainly be better than my French =) |
| 19:52.21 | Wobin_ | (Are you authenticated on this server for PMs?) |
| 19:58.47 | Kirkburn|Bored | Er, I've already found drawbacks to the dual-booting of OSX and WinXP, quite major ones |
| 19:59.32 | kremonte | eh? |
| 19:59.32 | Kirkburn|Bored | Like, OSX can't write to NTFS drives |
| 19:59.37 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:59.41 | kremonte | that's not really a drawback |
| 19:59.45 | kremonte | that's ntfs sucks |
| 19:59.45 | kremonte | ^_^ |
| 19:59.50 | kremonte | sorry, i had to |
| 19:59.55 | kremonte | i don't think the dual boot is to have them work in twine |
| 20:00.03 | kremonte | i think it's just to open up the option, that you don't need 2 computers |
| 20:00.13 | Wobin_ | Did you get the PM, kremonte? |
| 20:00.14 | Maldivia | kremonte: ntfs doesn't suck |
| 20:00.20 | Kirkburn|Bored | He was joking :) |
| 20:00.54 | krka | ckknight, you there? |
| 20:00.56 | kremonte | Wobin_, i replied |
| 20:00.57 | Maldivia | FAT... now that sucks - but so easy to read/write... |
| 20:00.57 | kremonte | you didn't get it? |
| 20:00.59 | kremonte | oops, lol |
| 20:01.09 | krka | the report-method in FuBar seems to create lots of new tables |
| 20:02.09 | wereHamster | Wobin_, do you still need to translate a string to german? |
| 20:02.18 | kremonte | vereHamster |
| 20:02.22 | kremonte | i translated your name to german |
| 20:02.32 | Wobin_ | yep! |
| 20:03.29 | wereHamster | kremonte |
| 20:03.55 | wereHamster | kremonte, werwolf translates to 'werwolf' .. I can't see where you got 'vere' from |
| 20:04.06 | Wobin_ | It's a bad german accent =P |
| 20:04.18 | kremonte | :p |
| 20:04.24 | kremonte | you know, w's in german are pronounced as english v's |
| 20:04.29 | Cairenn | the old joke: "ve have vays of making you talk" |
| 20:04.31 | wereHamster | thy this dictionary the next time: http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/ |
| 20:04.37 | wereHamster | s/thy/try/ |
| 20:04.42 | kremonte | it was a joke :p |
| 20:04.57 | wereHamster | Wobin_, what's the string? |
| 20:05.06 | Wobin_ | Append 'bank' to the commands while the bank window is open to apply them to your bank contents. |
| 20:05.17 | Wobin_ | Sorry =) Tried to PM it to you =) |
| 20:05.24 | kremonte | Ajoutez 'bank' au commands quand le fenêtre du banque est ouverte pour appliquer les sur vos contents de banque. |
| 20:05.27 | kremonte | my french pwns |
| 20:05.29 | kremonte | i typed that so fast |
| 20:05.29 | wereHamster | Wobin_, right.. I see it :) |
| 20:06.56 | wereHamster | the string is either too complicated or my brain too tired |
| 20:08.11 | Wobin_ | No worries then =) |
| 20:08.39 | wereHamster | another thing, I can't type umlauts, I have an english keyboard |
| 20:08.49 | kremonte | are you on veendows? |
| 20:09.04 | Maldivia | ö ü ä <-- there, some letters to copy-paste :) |
| 20:09.11 | kremonte | Maldivia wins |
| 20:09.12 | kremonte | :( |
| 20:09.13 | wereHamster | lol |
| 20:09.14 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 20:09.44 | Ktron | my build of xchat (for windows) doesn't let me use the Alt-keypad ways of entering characters |
| 20:10.07 | kremonte | i dun like using xchat when i'm on windows for some reason |
| 20:10.08 | Ktron | neither does my build of Gaim-- my guess is that it has something to do with GTK |
| 20:10.09 | Maldivia | key a decent keyboard layout! |
| 20:10.09 | kremonte | too used to mir |
| 20:10.11 | kremonte | mirc |
| 20:10.21 | Ktron | mirc isn't free, so I don't like using it |
| 20:10.24 | Maldivia | s/key/get/ |
| 20:10.36 | kremonte | heh, i dont buy |
| 20:10.38 | kremonte | you can still use it |
| 20:10.40 | Ktron | because I don't want to pay for it |
| 20:10.41 | kremonte | after trial |
| 20:10.49 | Ktron | its still trialware |
| 20:10.50 | kremonte | ive used mirc for 5 years |
| 20:10.50 | kremonte | so |
| 20:11.41 | wereHamster | I live in Switzerland, but I honestly have no idea how to translate that string :-/ |
| 20:12.11 | Wobin_ | That's alright =) |
| 20:13.00 | Tem | damnit! |
| 20:13.01 | wereHamster | too used to the English language |
| 20:13.14 | Tem | wow keeps renaming my FrameXML directory to FrameXML.old |
| 20:13.43 | Tem | I wanna keep my UI.xsd there... |
| 20:13.52 | kremonte | WHY DO YOU HAVE A FRAMEXML DIRECTORY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 20:14.12 | Kirkburn|Bored | lol |
| 20:14.22 | Kirkburn|Bored | Yeah, er, not happening |
| 20:15.09 | Tem | did you read what I said? |
| 20:15.20 | Tem | I like to keep my schema path correct |
| 20:15.31 | Shouryuu | lol kremonte that's a great kremontian translation but a very poor french one |
| 20:15.46 | kremonte | f u |
| 20:15.51 | kremonte | i told him to confirm it with you :D |
| 20:15.57 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:16.13 | kremonte | hey, i tried :) |
| 20:16.31 | krka | now i did some major changes to LocationFu... probably won't work :) |
| 20:16.34 | Shouryuu | It isn't *that* bad, just some of the words aren't in the right place |
| 20:16.40 | wereHamster | Wobin_, froma friend: Um die Befehle auf die Inhalte eines offenen Bankfensters anzuwenden, hängt man den Befehle 'bank' an. |
| 20:16.50 | wereHamster | no guarantee though.. |
| 20:17.00 | Shouryuu | Wobin_ Send me the string :p |
| 20:17.15 | Shouryuu | The dilema, work or play? |
| 20:17.18 | ckknight | krka, fun |
| 20:17.42 | krka | my god there's a lot i need to change |
| 20:17.44 | krka | just to add one thingy |
| 20:17.47 | krka | :) |
| 20:18.10 | Wobin_ | Thank you were =) and were's friend =) |
| 20:18.40 | krka | whoa... seems to work |
| 20:18.49 | krka | shall i zip it to you for dissect ckknight? |
| 20:19.27 | Wobin_ | wereHamster: Could you ask them to translate: That name again, is Mr Plow! A inventory restacker/defragger. |
| 20:19.35 | Wobin_ | Or at least as close as they can get? |
| 20:19.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge krka (i=krka@c80-216-103-22.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 20:24.12 | ckknight | yep, kremonte |
| 20:24.14 | ckknight | krka* |
| 20:24.39 | krka | want the diff too? |
| 20:24.53 | ckknight | I can diff it myself |
| 20:25.04 | ckknight | I should make an addon to rival yours, Wobin_ |
| 20:25.08 | ckknight | I should call it Plow King |
| 20:25.30 | wereHamster | Wobin_, If I understood what that means in english :-P |
| 20:25.47 | Wobin_ | ckknight: hehe |
| 20:25.49 | krka | plow king? |
| 20:25.55 | Wobin_ | It's a Simpson's reference |
| 20:25.58 | ckknight | Simpsons reference |
| 20:26.18 | krka | i know |
| 20:26.22 | Tem | I need to see that episode because it doesn't make sense to me |
| 20:26.28 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/ |
| 20:26.32 | krka | i have my modified version there |
| 20:26.39 | krka | hmm.. maybe you need my new maplibrary too |
| 20:26.48 | Wobin_ | wereHamster: the second half of the sentence just says that the addon tidies up your inventory |
| 20:27.17 | Wobin_ | Plow King was the rival snow plower that Homer was up against |
| 20:27.26 | krka | MapLibrary is in same dir now |
| 20:27.38 | krka | actually, feel free to modify my modification as much as you wnat |
| 20:27.43 | krka | i don't fully understand your code |
| 20:27.45 | krka | but itworks :) |
| 20:27.50 | wereHamster | Wobin_, Dieser Name wieder, ist Mr Plow! Ein Inventar umschickter/defragmentierer. |
| 20:27.55 | ckknight | where's the zip for LocationFu? |
| 20:28.06 | Wobin_ | Brilliant! Thank you were! =) |
| 20:28.18 | ckknight | Herr Plow? |
| 20:29.01 | Wobin_ | Mr. Schneepflug |
| 20:29.04 | krka | hmm... sorry |
| 20:29.07 | krka | i must have lost it |
| 20:29.09 | wereHamster | while searching "That name again, is Mr Plow!" on google, I found this: http://soldierant.net/archives/2005/02/that_name_again.html |
| 20:29.30 | ckknight | lol. |
| 20:29.37 | ckknight | 60 bottles. |
| 20:29.54 | Wobin_ | I bet he had fun while doing it =) |
| 20:29.58 | krka | now |
| 20:29.59 | krka | check again |
| 20:31.05 | ckknight | alright |
| 20:31.21 | krka | please dont hate my code too much :) |
| 20:31.54 | wereHamster | nice summary: http://animatedtv.about.com/library/weekly/aa010601a.htm |
| 20:32.58 | ckknight | totally messed up the spacing, krka |
| 20:33.32 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/642825 |
| 20:33.39 | kremonte | why am i getting an error on that last line |
| 20:33.39 | kremonte | >< |
| 20:33.48 | kremonte | <name> expected near `return' |
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| 20:34.24 | kremonte | any ideas? :/ |
| 20:35.09 | kremonte | boo you guys |
| 20:36.25 | ckknight | odd |
| 20:37.19 | zenzelezz | an error on the last line? "return" is in the second line |
| 20:37.32 | kremonte | umm |
| 20:37.33 | kremonte | what? |
| 20:37.37 | Kirov | not(search) |
| 20:37.41 | Kirov | is that proper syntax? |
| 20:37.42 | kremonte | this is onLoad, btw |
| 20:37.46 | kremonte | it works, Kirov |
| 20:37.48 | kremonte | least, for me it does |
| 20:37.54 | Adrine | http://www.xgenstudios.com/play/stickarena/index.html |
| 20:37.56 | Adrine | This is awesome |
| 20:38.05 | zenzelezz | since you said something about the return thing, I thought you meant that was the error |
| 20:38.28 | kremonte | same error |
| 20:38.31 | kremonte | removed the parenthesis |
| 20:39.18 | krka | yeah, the spacing got messed up i suppose, sorry ckknight |
| 20:39.30 | krka | sorry for the locals at the top too :) |
| 20:40.30 | kremonte | ok |
| 20:40.34 | kremonte | i'll put the entire script |
| 20:40.36 | kremonte | on pastebin |
| 20:40.42 | kremonte | :-D |
| 20:40.59 | kremonte | wait |
| 20:41.01 | kremonte | PROGRESS |
| 20:42.13 | kremonte | hmm |
| 20:42.19 | kremonte | seems to be a whacky lack of "end" somewhere |
| 20:43.00 | kremonte | the line just skipped to EOF |
| 20:43.03 | kremonte | same error |
| 20:43.03 | kremonte | hm |
| 20:45.00 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 20:45.17 | JoshBorke | you're missing an end... |
| 20:45.31 | kremonte | no, don't think i am |
| 20:45.35 | kremonte | i'm commenting things out |
| 20:45.38 | kremonte | and the error just disappeared |
| 20:45.39 | kremonte | wft? |
| 20:45.43 | JoshBorke | update the pastebin? |
| 20:45.49 | kremonte | no error now |
| 20:45.50 | kremonte | ._. |
| 20:45.56 | kremonte | i didn't even change anything |
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| 20:48.15 | Ktron | you must have |
| 20:48.21 | Ktron | you changed you attitude |
| 20:48.32 | Ktron | and that fixes everything |
| 20:48.42 | kremonte | hum? |
| 20:49.02 | Ktron | muh? |
| 20:49.13 | kremonte | :( |
| 20:49.26 | JoshBorke | :) |
| 20:49.32 | kremonte | (: |
| 20:50.20 | krka | sorry, slight bug in what i sent ckknight |
| 20:50.28 | krka | noticeable when you activate runspeed yard |
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| 20:52.54 | malreth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostan |
| 20:53.54 | Ktron | exit |
| 20:53.57 | Ktron | oops |
| 20:55.19 | malreth | RAIIIID!? |
| 20:56.17 | kremonte | zug zug |
| 20:56.45 | kremonte | aw crap |
| 20:56.49 | kremonte | i just lagged out my wow |
| 20:56.59 | kremonte | accidentally put a devtools_dump inside a 28000 loop |
| 20:56.59 | Kirkburn|Raiid | I'm sooo raid! |
| 20:57.15 | Kirov | kremonte - lol |
| 20:57.18 | malreth | kremonte: ouch! |
| 20:57.27 | kremonte | it's a big loop :( |
| 20:57.29 | malreth | i think i did something like that once |
| 20:57.36 | kremonte | i have like 20 lines inside the loop |
| 20:57.56 | Kirov | I was testing one of my mods and couldn't figure out why I kept randomly locking up after I'd tested it. |
| 20:58.08 | Kirov | Basically I was looking for the FD buff hunters get. |
| 20:58.19 | Kirov | And I was testing it with no other buffs, so FD was always first. |
| 20:58.40 | Kirov | the while loop didn't have a n i=i+1 |
| 20:58.42 | Kirov | =) |
| 20:59.03 | Kirov | I'd turn on cheetah and boom! |
| 20:59.25 | kremonte | hah |
| 20:59.42 | Kirov | In this particular case I actually joined a party with a paladin, so it was when I was getting close to him and got his aura |
| 20:59.57 | Kirov | That took me like an hour pulling my hair out |
| 21:00.19 | malreth | i don't like while loops. |
| 21:00.52 | kremonte | sdfgsdfglkjdfn |
| 21:00.53 | kremonte | another |
| 21:00.54 | kremonte | stupid |
| 21:00.55 | kremonte | mistake |
| 21:01.03 | kremonte | "why the hell is it returning 6700 values instead of 1? |
| 21:01.09 | malreth | i had one the other day... really stupid one too |
| 21:01.10 | kremonte | for j = 1, table.getn(gLocals.adv.search) do |
| 21:01.10 | kremonte | if(gLocals.adv.search[i]) then |
| 21:01.15 | kremonte | note the j and i |
| 21:01.31 | malreth | oh... |
| 21:01.38 | Kirov | hehe |
| 21:02.06 | malreth | when you get three in a row, it's time to get up and do something else like throw some darts or eat a cookie |
| 21:02.31 | malreth | i have a little mini dart board on my desk at home, too |
| 21:02.49 | malreth | *pap* *pap* *pap* |
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| 21:03.48 | malreth | so i figured out why stop the spam was letting the ace load messages pass through on my PC and not my Mac yesterday |
| 21:04.03 | malreth | and it's a funny story about how expectations shape perception |
| 21:04.40 | malreth | I had recently read a post by Tem about how to force a certain addon load order if for some reason they aren't loading in alphabetical order |
| 21:04.59 | malreth | and I was *soooooo* convinced that was the problem I was having with STS! on my pc. |
| 21:05.08 | krka | ckknight, found more bugs, please dont take my code too seriously :) |
| 21:05.18 | Tem | malreth: Ace was loading first? |
| 21:05.22 | malreth | and I was doing everything... unloading and reloading addons |
| 21:05.28 | malreth | Tem: it seemed that way... |
| 21:05.40 | Tem | malreth: so what was really the problem? |
| 21:06.07 | malreth | and then i actually turned on debug mode for STS! and found it was loading well before ace |
| 21:06.17 | Tem | heh |
| 21:06.27 | Iriel | There IS no way to guarantee load order UNLESS |
| 21:06.36 | Tem | so how was Ace tricking you? |
| 21:06.43 | malreth | but i had just installed idChat.. and idChat spits out load spam the same way ace does |
| 21:06.45 | Iriel | You edit the OptionalDependencies of every addon to include those that must load before it |
| 21:06.48 | Tem | unless you put dependencies in everything |
| 21:07.00 | malreth | so STS! dilligently put the kibosh on idChat... then ignored Ace |
| 21:07.21 | Tem | haha |
| 21:07.54 | Tem | bah, there's no way to change the font hight or font flags without changing the font file |
| 21:08.02 | Iriel | Well, yes |
| 21:08.02 | Kirov | What happens if two mods have an optional dependancy on eachother? |
| 21:08.08 | Iriel | You Get the file, then change the other 2 and keep the file |
| 21:08.28 | Iriel | The engine has to re-render the font texture when any of the 3 change, so consider (file,height,flags) an indentifying tuple for the font texture |
| 21:08.34 | Tem | GetFont to the rescue |
| 21:09.00 | Tem | height* |
| 21:10.35 | Tem | I think I typo the words "Height" and "Width" the most |
| 21:10.52 | Tem | oh I can't ever get "highlight" to work either. |
| 21:10.56 | malreth | Kirov: I believe that WoW has some sort of cyclic check and will just pick one of the co-dependent addons to load first. It's not defined so i'm not sure exactly what would happen. |
| 21:11.24 | Iriel | I had a large problem with 'receive' at one point during my final year at university, after writing a paper about the network simulator I'd been working on |
| 21:11.39 | Iriel | Malreth is correct, it'll just pick one arbitrarily |
| 21:11.57 | Iriel | (Actually, it simply picks the one it would have loaded first if there were no dependencies, as far as I can tell) |
| 21:12.44 | Iriel | I actually think the loader is fairly simple in that it runs through its load list sequentially, but will load dependencies ahead of when they'd normally be loaded |
| 21:13.11 | malreth | single pass |
| 21:13.16 | Iriel | yup |
| 21:13.20 | Iriel | nice, clean, effective |
| 21:13.22 | malreth | simple and gets the job done |
| 21:13.26 | kremonte | man |
| 21:13.31 | kremonte | how come every single error i get |
| 21:13.33 | kremonte | is some stupid error |
| 21:13.43 | Iriel | because you write stupid code? 8-) j/k |
| 21:13.46 | malreth | it's cookie time, kremonte. or darts time. |
| 21:13.55 | kremonte | no, i just finished fixing it |
| 21:14.09 | Iriel | 90% of programming errors are stupid anyway, when it comes down to it |
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| 21:14.17 | kremonte | yeah |
| 21:14.38 | kremonte | it's so frustrating, i've been doing string.find() backwards |
| 21:14.41 | kremonte | for the last 20 minutes |
| 21:15.10 | Iriel | that works really well when both input and match are the same |
| 21:15.19 | kremonte | lol |
| 21:15.58 | malreth | heha! |
| 21:16.01 | kremonte | WTF |
| 21:16.03 | kremonte | IT STILLD OESNT WORK |
| 21:16.05 | kremonte | T_T |
| 21:16.06 | malreth | i laugh funny today |
| 21:16.15 | kremonte | malreth: hueahuehueaheuhuaeuhaeuaheuae |
| 21:16.34 | Cide | hmm. |
| 21:16.47 | Cide | it's a shame GetRealZoneText() doesn't return the correct result at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 21:16.50 | malreth | ha ha he heee hoo. Pinapple Pokopo. I hate that laugh. |
| 21:17.03 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/642957 |
| 21:17.04 | kremonte | why no workie |
| 21:17.07 | kremonte | >_> |
| 21:17.11 | kremonte | (nothing is being put into the table) |
| 21:18.25 | Cide | my guess is it has something to do with the code setting invalid to 1! |
| 21:18.38 | kremonte | that's if it DOESN'T make a match :p |
| 21:18.40 | wereHamster | kremonte, not isn't a function, is it? |
| 21:18.45 | kremonte | not() works |
| 21:18.49 | kremonte | it's clean imo :p |
| 21:19.40 | wereHamster | yep, you're right, not can be used as a function ... lua -e "print(not(false))" |
| 21:20.09 | malreth | well, it's not really being used as a function, technically |
| 21:20.22 | Cide | I wonder if we can get GetRealZoneText available on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD... |
| 21:20.26 | Wobin_ | it's just separating the term out |
| 21:20.38 | malreth | (false) evaluates to just 'false' and then you have not false which is true |
| 21:20.52 | kremonte | o_O |
| 21:20.57 | malreth | oh, i wrote that and it doesn't make sense to me |
| 21:20.58 | kremonte | stop confusing me! |
| 21:21.03 | kremonte | but i get it |
| 21:21.04 | kremonte | double negatives |
| 21:21.28 | malreth | if (not(invalid)) is the exact same thing as saying if (not invalid) |
| 21:21.45 | kremonte | why am i getting nothing >< |
| 21:21.54 | Cide | find out which one is setting the invalid flag |
| 21:21.59 | Cide | we can't see your gLocals table |
| 21:22.11 | kremonte | it's neither lvl or qual |
| 21:22.13 | kremonte | it HAS to be the search |
| 21:22.21 | kremonte | for j=1 ~ |
| 21:22.34 | malreth | so... where is invalid defined? it looks global just looking at the snippit you posted |
| 21:22.45 | kremonte | local invalid is right before the for |
| 21:23.00 | Cide | what's inside gLocals.adv.search? |
| 21:23.11 | malreth | ok... so does invalid ever get set back to nil some time? |
| 21:23.12 | kremonte | the search terms (GetLink.main(search)) split by spaces |
| 21:23.29 | Cide | as a string? |
| 21:23.32 | kremonte | in this case, there's jsut gLocals.adv.search.1 = "nemesis" |
| 21:23.32 | kremonte | yes |
| 21:23.40 | malreth | because if it gets set to 1... and stays that way... |
| 21:23.53 | Cide | try... |
| 21:23.55 | kremonte | malreth: that's the whole point |
| 21:23.58 | Cide | gLocals.adv.search.1 = "Nemesis" |
| 21:24.05 | Cide | since string.find is case sensitive |
| 21:24.06 | Iriel | It's not being used as a function, it's just a parenthesized expression |
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| 21:24.18 | kremonte | OMG CIIIIIIIIIDE |
| 21:24.25 | kremonte | i didn't string.lower the search |
| 21:24.33 | kremonte | now i pray this works :p |
| 21:24.34 | malreth | ah... |
| 21:24.38 | Cide | :) |
| 21:25.17 | Iriel | y=not(false) is equivalent to local x = (false); y =not x |
| 21:25.40 | Iriel | NOT y=(not)(false) (which doesn't work) |
| 21:25.49 | kremonte | asfdgdfg |
| 21:25.52 | kremonte | still doesn't work |
| 21:25.58 | malreth | gah! |
| 21:26.57 | Cide | are you using: if(not string.find(string.lower(gLocals.adv.search[j]), string.lower(gName))) then ? |
| 21:27.02 | malreth | well... gonna go home... that's where my food is |
| 21:27.05 | malreth | later |
| 21:27.07 | Iriel | Any reason you dont initalize invalid each pass? |
| 21:27.20 | kremonte | Iriel: it's local at the beginning |
| 21:27.23 | Iriel | I think malreth asked that too, yeah. |
| 21:27.24 | kremonte | if it's 1 then we don't add it at the end |
| 21:27.31 | Iriel | OUTSIDE of the loop tho |
| 21:27.33 | krka | any it's local at the beginning and global at the end? |
| 21:27.36 | kremonte | it is initialized |
| 21:27.37 | kremonte | outside of thel oop |
| 21:27.44 | Wobin_ | it's not local inside the loop though? |
| 21:27.59 | Iriel | so once you hit any invalid entry, everything else is invalid |
| 21:28.07 | kremonte | .. |
| 21:28.09 | kremonte | Iriel |
| 21:28.10 | kremonte | you saved my life |
| 21:28.14 | kremonte | just like cide did |
| 21:28.27 | Iriel | Well, malreth would've saved it but you weren't listening to him enough 8-) |
| 21:28.28 | Wobin_ | as soon as..yeah, what Iriel said =P |
| 21:28.42 | kremonte | ahh |
| 21:28.44 | kremonte | i misunderstood |
| 21:29.06 | kremonte | i generally reread things the second time, because then i'd fume cause i hate hearing repetitions because i have a short fuse and don't want to look like a moron |
| 21:29.06 | kremonte | =^) |
| 21:29.46 | kremonte | hmmm |
| 21:29.50 | kremonte | it's still giving me nothing |
| 21:30.05 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/642986 |
| 21:30.42 | Cide | is gLocals.adv.search[j] always lowercase? |
| 21:30.49 | kremonte | yes |
| 21:31.02 | kremonte | when search is split by space it's input into the table string.lower'd |
| 21:31.06 | Cide | again |
| 21:31.13 | Cide | you put the local at the wrong place, as far as I know |
| 21:31.20 | kremonte | where? |
| 21:31.50 | Cide | nevermind |
| 21:31.54 | kremonte | huh? :c |
| 21:31.55 | Cide | you set it to nil each iteration |
| 21:31.59 | kremonte | aye |
| 21:32.16 | kremonte | unless redefining the variable 28000 times uses less memory ._. |
| 21:32.52 | Cide | well I was going to suggest setting it to nil at the top, which would accomplish the same thing :) |
| 21:33.07 | kremonte | while do, do while ;) |
| 21:33.21 | kremonte | hm i have an idea |
| 21:33.38 | Cide | oh |
| 21:33.43 | Cide | in your loop |
| 21:33.58 | Cide | you're looping through the searches and then setting invalid to 1 and breaking the loop |
| 21:34.14 | kremonte | yes, i want every part of the search to be found |
| 21:34.15 | Cide | you have to do the opposite; find if it EXISTS, and then set "valid" to 1 |
| 21:34.19 | Cide | oh, nevermind then. |
| 21:34.37 | Cide | for your own sake, I'd string.lower the search terms, too |
| 21:34.41 | kremonte | ie i want "nemesis br" to match only nemesis bracers, not bracers of wrath, nemesis robes |
| 21:34.45 | kremonte | they already are |
| 21:34.52 | kremonte | if i do that 28000 times, it makes a lot of overhead ._. |
| 21:34.59 | kremonte | which is counterproductive for the purpose |
| 21:35.27 | Cide | yes, but I can't see anything else that would cause it to fail, assuming it's the search part that fails |
| 21:35.31 | Elviso | kremonte: what project is that for? |
| 21:35.36 | kremonte | GetLink |
| 21:35.37 | Cide | so using string.lower while debugging probably wouldn't hurt |
| 21:35.37 | kremonte | rewriting it |
| 21:35.52 | kremonte | Cide: it's done early-on tho |
| 21:35.53 | Elviso | is that a lootlink alternative? |
| 21:36.00 | kremonte | yes, there is a version released atm |
| 21:36.05 | kremonte | it uses no database ^^ |
| 21:36.07 | kremonte | gLocals.search = string.lower(search) |
| 21:36.08 | Elviso | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:36.09 | kremonte | string.gsub(gLocals.search, "(%w+)", |
| 21:36.19 | kremonte | ... else table.insert(gLocals.adv.search, s) end |
| 21:36.20 | Cide | gLocals.search? |
| 21:36.27 | Cide | you're using gLocals.adv.search later on |
| 21:36.34 | kremonte | look up :p |
| 21:36.35 | Wobin_ | won't it only return info in your local cache on items? |
| 21:36.38 | Cide | fine :) |
| 21:36.41 | kremonte | yes Wobin_ |
| 21:36.47 | kremonte | and? lol |
| 21:37.00 | Wobin_ | hokay =) |
| 21:37.08 | kremonte | if it's not there, it's an item you haven't seen (which lootlink wouldn't have) or an item that'd dc you :p |
| 21:37.16 | kremonte | hmmmm |
| 21:37.24 | kremonte | ok gonna try this, brb |
| 21:38.02 | Elviso | problems could arise if using it on multiple servers...or possibly shortly after a server restart |
| 21:38.22 | Elviso | I know if you link an item from your local cache in a server that hasn't seen it yet, you'll get dc'd |
| 21:38.24 | kremonte | the cache repopulates itself very quickly, but in fact, i've never seen my cache reset |
| 21:38.26 | kremonte | it just grows |
| 21:38.40 | kremonte | i could link every item i could think of the minute the server restarted |
| 21:40.13 | Elviso | I just mentioned that about the server restart b/c that's what I'd been told....that the server's cache is reset then |
| 21:40.20 | kremonte | aye, that's what i thought |
| 21:40.22 | Elviso | haven't actually tested that aspect of it much |
| 21:40.25 | kremonte | and what people say |
| 21:40.25 | kremonte | but eh |
| 21:40.30 | kremonte | item cache is wierd |
| 21:40.36 | kremonte | there are a few items that are in my cache but dc me |
| 21:40.49 | kremonte | one from the twin emps in aq, one that's a ridiculously rare drop from emp thaurissan |
| 21:41.28 | MentalPower | which one? |
| 21:41.35 | kremonte | i forgot the name ^^ |
| 21:41.37 | kremonte | epic mace i think |
| 21:43.20 | Wobin_ | Ironfoe? |
| 21:43.35 | kremonte | si mi amigo |
| 21:44.06 | kremonte | AAAAAAAAARGH |
| 21:44.38 | kremonte | the string.find was right the first time, and this entire time it's been broken |
| 21:44.50 | kremonte | that's the entire reason why |
| 21:44.53 | kremonte | ok. well |
| 21:44.56 | kremonte | GetLink works now :) |
| 21:44.59 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 21:45.02 | Wobin_ | Whee |
| 21:45.28 | kremonte | 75 lines of evil code |
| 21:46.31 | Wobin_ | Time to ... what's the word thingiemigate make it smaller and more efficient =) |
| 21:46.44 | kremonte | i'm rewriting the coed right now :p |
| 21:46.48 | kremonte | making it smaller |
| 21:46.50 | kremonte | and more efficient |
| 21:46.51 | Cide | optimize? :P |
| 21:47.37 | kremonte | heh |
| 21:47.39 | kremonte | kinda funny |
| 21:47.59 | kremonte | i just remembered when i was lvl 4, and my friend who had me get WoW found me, and was showing me links, how to shift+click and click on them and see what they do |
| 21:48.11 | kremonte | and now i spoof them and write mods for them |
| 21:49.19 | Wobin_ | Cide: Thassit. |
| 21:51.40 | JoshBorke | bye all |
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| 21:59.11 | groll | doh fubar panel is fubar again :/ |
| 21:59.28 | Tem | no that's bosspanel |
| 21:59.34 | Tem | it got renamed to FuBar |
| 22:00.24 | groll | yes i know |
| 22:00.31 | groll | but it's bugged in the latest version |
| 22:01.13 | groll | http://wow.pastebin.com/643066 |
| 22:07.25 | Guildan | anyone know how to get a buffID for buffIndex using the name of the buff? |
| 22:07.35 | kremonte | heheh getlink can search by level now |
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| 22:27.59 | krka | i was just in the worst group ever :( |
| 22:28.01 | krka | poor repair bill |
| 22:28.11 | kremonte | woot |
| 22:28.12 | kremonte | new getlink works :D |
| 22:28.26 | Iriel | kremonte: As as been said a million times, having sometthing in your cache is no guarantee it wont disconnect you |
| 22:28.35 | kremonte | Iriel: oh, i know |
| 22:28.35 | Iriel | (Sorry, just catching back up here) |
| 22:28.38 | kremonte | it's just very unusual :) |
| 22:28.57 | kremonte | those 2 are the only items that have ever disconnected me |
| 22:29.08 | kremonte | one is very old, and one is very new :P heh |
| 22:29.23 | zenzelezz | I haven't seen "[Your Mom is The Immovable Object]" since 1.10 :o |
| 22:29.25 | Iriel | I had a suggestion to make your code cleaner also, but unfortunately I lost the pastebin |
| 22:29.38 | kremonte | i can post up the whole thing if you have any suggestions |
| 22:29.48 | kremonte | zenzelezz: you can't truly spoof links anymore |
| 22:30.07 | zenzelezz | truly? |
| 22:30.10 | Iriel | kremonte : Sure, i have a minute. |
| 22:30.15 | kremonte | zenzelezz: but you must ph34r my [Sniper Rifle of Sorcery]! |
| 22:30.30 | Iriel | zenzelezz : Correct, you can still make links with infeasible enchantments |
| 22:30.33 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/643117 |
| 22:30.48 | kremonte | zenzelezz: it's always confusing to people to use foreign links as well :P |
| 22:31.11 | Iriel | kremonte : Why do you create glocals as a table instead of just having a bunch of locals? |
| 22:31.28 | kremonte | Iriel: it's possible to have things local to the whole script? :o |
| 22:31.32 | kremonte | didn't know that :) |
| 22:31.52 | kremonte | anyway, GetLink.qualities is the only one i spose |
| 22:31.57 | Iriel | kremonte : Yes, in fact stuff is block local, so you can make it local to just those 2 functions |
| 22:32.07 | Iriel | It's this: gLocals.adv.args.min and its friends I think are bad |
| 22:32.20 | kremonte | hmm |
| 22:32.22 | kremonte | less nesting you think? |
| 22:32.31 | Iriel | Well, at the very least do |
| 22:32.39 | zenzelezz | unfeasible enchantments as in Fiery Weapon on a helmet? Can't remember seeing any spoofs with enchantments before, only "renamed" ones |
| 22:32.40 | Iriel | local gArgs = gLocals.adv.args; |
| 22:32.51 | kremonte | zenzelezz: of the X, as well as enchantments |
| 22:33.03 | Iriel | But there seems to be absolutely no purpose in them being in a table in the first place unless I missed something, or you have future plans |
| 22:33.07 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 22:33.30 | kremonte | Iriel: searches by level, item type, quality, and name |
| 22:33.36 | kremonte | but level/type/quality are done differently |
| 22:33.43 | kremonte | i can remove adv{} |
| 22:33.56 | kremonte | don't ask me why i had it there in the first place :/ |
| 22:34.02 | Iriel | kremonte : But they could be spec_level, spec_type, spec_quality, spec_name |
| 22:34.05 | Iriel | just normal loals |
| 22:34.09 | Iriel | locals, even |
| 22:34.16 | Iriel | eliminate the tables altogether |
| 22:34.37 | Maldivia | kremonte: hehe, that for i=1,28000 do --[[ ... ]] GetItemInfo(i) --[[ ... ]] end looks a lot like a small mod I have, although not the same logic performed on the return values :) |
| 22:34.46 | Iriel | the only table you NEED is gLocals.ret, which could easily be local gRet = {}; |
| 22:35.00 | Tem | YAAAY! |
| 22:35.14 | Tem | Anyone notice the new "blue" thread? |
| 22:35.15 | kremonte | Iriel: yeah i must have gotten caught up in reading other peoples' code ._. |
| 22:35.20 | kremonte | Tem: ? |
| 22:35.28 | Tem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=354806&p=1&tmp=1#post354806 |
| 22:35.32 | Iriel | Tem: The 2nd coming of Drysc's thread? |
| 22:35.43 | Iriel | Tem: it was posted once already this morning, then went away, then came back again |
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| 22:35.53 | Tem | Iriel: who is drysc anyway? |
| 22:35.58 | Iriel | I wish that Psalm would back off, though |
| 22:36.03 | Maldivia | kremonte: btw, why not just combine your two boolean expressions, and discard the gValid variable ? |
| 22:36.16 | Iriel | I have no idea, i've seen the name before, mind you. |
| 22:36.28 | kremonte | Maldivia: there may be searches where there is no level/quality arg, and vice versa |
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| 22:36.43 | Maldivia | kremonte: yeah, but you can still combine them |
| 22:37.05 | kremonte | Maldivia: ah yes, i can search the other way around |
| 22:37.08 | kremonte | BRILLIANT! D: |
| 22:37.10 | kremonte | wait |
| 22:37.12 | kremonte | what? |
| 22:37.13 | kremonte | go away |
| 22:37.15 | Iriel | You just negate it |
| 22:37.25 | Maldivia | if not ((gLocals.adv.args.lvl) and (gLocals.adv.args.lvl ~= gLvl)) or ((gLocals.adv.args.qual) and (gLocals.adv.args.qual ~= gQual)) then |
| 22:37.34 | kremonte | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 22:37.34 | Iriel | if ((args_lvl == nil) or (args.lvl == gLvl)) |
| 22:37.43 | Maldivia | with an extra set of parenthesis around it |
| 22:37.56 | Iriel | (with appropriate .'s and _'s and things) |
| 22:38.32 | Iriel | You forgot to check min and max, by the way |
| 22:38.36 | Maldivia | or just take the two existing expressions and do: if not (exp1 or exp2) then |
| 22:38.39 | kremonte | Iriel: not added yet :p |
| 22:38.46 | kremonte | getting lazy after 2 hours of coding |
| 22:39.19 | Iriel | I'd change the last loop too, in fact, let me do that |
| 22:39.30 | kremonte | Iriel: also, i do need the table besides the return one; the gsub splits the text |
| 22:39.40 | kremonte | (by space into a table) |
| 22:40.28 | Maldivia | Tem: I think Drysc is the person who got Caydiem's job? |
| 22:40.43 | Tem | oh, what happened to Cay? |
| 22:40.55 | kremonte | she DE'd her epix and quit WoW |
| 22:40.57 | Tem | I don't really follow the forms exceping our own |
| 22:40.57 | Cairenn | no |
| 22:41.04 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/643137 |
| 22:41.11 | Cairenn | Eynoix got promo'd to Cay's spot |
| 22:41.21 | Cairenn | Cay moved within the company |
| 22:41.25 | Maldivia | Tem: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7640923&p=1&tmp=1#post7640923 |
| 22:41.27 | Tem | ah |
| 22:41.45 | Iriel | Head of bovine lore? |
| 22:41.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:42.13 | Maldivia | WHat... we're finally getting key-rings in 1.11! |
| 22:42.21 | Kirov | ! |
| 22:42.26 | kremonte | key-rings? |
| 22:42.31 | kremonte | like ()? |
| 22:42.48 | Maldivia | key-rings... like in-container containers for keys |
| 22:42.51 | Maldivia | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7787923&p=1&tmp=1#post7787923 |
| 22:43.09 | kremonte | whoaa |
| 22:43.10 | Tem | ah thanks |
| 22:44.24 | Adrine | I'd be a lot more excited if my main wasn't a rogue :) |
| 22:44.34 | Adrine | Now that the shadowforge lock is pickable, I have no use for keys. |
| 22:44.54 | Tem | but yay! a post to get rid of all the "I GOT BAND FOR UI MODZ" threads |
| 22:45.24 | Codayus | I wonder if the mauradon staff counts as a key? |
| 22:45.56 | kremonte | it's not.. |
| 22:45.58 | kremonte | it's a scepter |
| 22:46.01 | kremonte | it doesn't open doors |
| 22:46.06 | kremonte | it creates a rift in existence |
| 22:46.10 | Codayus | yeah |
| 22:46.11 | Codayus | oh well, still nice |
| 22:46.18 | Tem | Iriel: how familliar are you with XMLSpy? |
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| 22:49.36 | Tem | Beauty fades; stupid is forever. |
| 22:49.56 | Tem | s/stupid/dumb/ |
| 22:50.10 | Iriel | Tem: For schema development, pretty familiar |
| 22:50.22 | Iriel | Tem: For XML development not so much, though I can find myself around |
| 22:50.37 | Tem | Iriel: do you know of any way I can tell it use a different schema than the one the file defines? |
| 22:50.41 | Tem | Iriel: since 1.10, I can |
| 22:50.42 | Iriel | Tem: I do have a professional edition license (for the 2004 version) at work |
| 22:50.54 | Tem | 't keep my FrameXML folder in place |
| 22:51.00 | Iriel | Tem: You can just re-assign the schema, I think |
| 22:51.13 | Tem | since 1.10, I can't keep my FrameXML folder in place |
| 22:51.15 | Iriel | I did that last night, let me find th ebutton |
| 22:51.34 | Tem | I don't like chaning the file |
| 22:51.37 | Iriel | Or do you want it to KNOW where to look? |
| 22:51.39 | Iriel | Hm, let me see |
| 22:52.04 | Tem | if it could KNOW that would be awesome |
| 22:52.11 | Tem | but I don't expect it to |
| 22:52.44 | Iriel | Well, in emacs nxml-mode I can make a mapping file for each public URI to the schema that it relates to |
| 22:52.53 | kremonte | why would you use a different schema? |
| 22:53.16 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.35 | Tem | kremonte: because my FrameXML folder isn't where it belongs, so when I edit my addons, they're xml files don't point to the right place |
| 22:53.42 | Iriel | kremonte: You'd use the right one, but you'd know where to FIND it |
| 22:54.48 | kremonte | i mean |
| 22:54.51 | kremonte | what's wrong with the defautl? |
| 22:55.10 | Tem | the clien renames my FrameXML folder to FrameXML.old |
| 22:55.19 | Tem | s/ien/ient/ |
| 22:55.22 | kremonte | yea, why do you need FrameXML/? |
| 22:55.22 | Iriel | Tem: Hm, cant find one offhand |
| 22:55.22 | kremonte | :x |
| 22:55.37 | Iriel | Tem: You could just edit a COPY of your addons, and then use ant/make to deploy into the real location |
| 22:55.43 | Tem | kremonte: because that's where UI.xsd is |
| 22:55.54 | kremonte | there's not one in the mpq? ._> |
| 22:56.01 | Tem | Iriel: unfortunately I don't have a *nix machine to play with |
| 22:56.06 | Iriel | Tem: ant works on windows |
| 22:56.12 | Tem | kremonte: I have no issue GETTING the file |
| 22:56.13 | Iriel | Tem: It's in java |
| 22:56.20 | kremonte | i know |
| 22:56.30 | Kirov | kremonte - xmlspy |
| 22:56.35 | Tem | Iriel: oh that's useful.. I'll play around with it |
| 22:56.35 | kremonte | ...? |
| 22:56.39 | Iriel | Tem: XMLSpy does seme to have some level of oracle database integration, possibly to fetch schemas, but I have no idea how that works. |
| 22:56.47 | kremonte | i don't have a framexml/, so unless you're editing your schema, why do you need it? :/ |
| 22:56.56 | Tem | kremonte: I use XMLSpy to validate my xml |
| 22:57.04 | Iriel | kremonte: To edit XML with xmlspy and have it do real time validation |
| 22:57.06 | Tem | kremonte: it reads the schema and tells me if my xml is vald |
| 22:57.17 | kremonte | ohh |
| 22:57.17 | Tem | which is really handy |
| 22:57.30 | kremonte | that's very confusing |
| 22:57.30 | kremonte | but i think i get it :p |
| 22:57.41 | Tem | so the paths of my addons points to FrameXML/ui.xsd |
| 22:57.50 | kremonte | ahh i get it |
| 22:57.54 | Tem | but I can't keep the FrameXML folder there |
| 22:58.08 | kremonte | make a FrameXML.old and make it readonly? :p |
| 22:58.09 | Kaelten | hey guys |
| 22:58.33 | kremonte | 'lo kael |
| 22:59.09 | Elviso | anyone know the icon path for the new AQ mounts? (or where I could find them) |
| 22:59.18 | Tem | kremonte: I thought of that, but I figured there'd be a cleaner way |
| 22:59.19 | Kirov | yeah |
| 22:59.25 | kremonte | 1 sec elvis |
| 22:59.31 | Elviso | cool thx |
| 22:59.45 | Kirov | Elviso - My AQAutoMount has them, but you can just go to thotbot or allakazam and look at their icon's name |
| 22:59.52 | Kirov | they keep the file path there |
| 22:59.53 | kremonte | Interface\Icons\INV_Misc_QirajiCrystal_04 |
| 22:59.55 | kremonte | Interface\Icons\INV_Misc_QirajiCrystal_03 etc |
| 22:59.59 | kremonte | 04 is for blue |
| 23:00.00 | Kirov | just hack off the first part |
| 23:00.06 | Elviso | cool, thanks guys |
| 23:00.16 | Elviso | I wasn't aware thott & alla kept that info |
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| 23:03.01 | Kirov | Just know all the icons are in the same folder |
| 23:06.21 | Elviso | Kirov: are you Broderick? |
| 23:06.30 | Kirov | yes |
| 23:06.32 | Kirov | no e |
| 23:06.40 | Elviso | oh sorry |
| 23:06.55 | Kirov | hence why all of my addons are labeled " by Brodrick, aka Kirov" |
| 23:06.56 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:11.30 | kremonte | Cairenn, you around? |
| 23:11.38 | Cairenn | yo |
| 23:11.52 | kremonte | just updated GetLink, and a guildie is pushin' meh :P |
| 23:12.18 | kremonte | thanks :D |
| 23:12.36 | Cairenn | done |
| 23:13.37 | Elviso | Kirov: I found it on Cursed, couldn't find it on WOWI |
| 23:13.57 | Kirov | elviso - find aqautomount? |
| 23:13.59 | Elviso | it just said "Brodrick" |
| 23:14.04 | Elviso | yes, on Cursed |
| 23:14.46 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4666 |
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| 23:18.34 | groll | i just dont see why u should use the aq mount instead :p |
| 23:19.35 | Kirov | groll - I have my mount bound to Y, so this just casts it when I use my mount so I don't have to swap them. |
| 23:19.55 | groll | yes but why use the aq mount instead of the regular one |
| 23:20.05 | Kirov | oh |
| 23:20.11 | Kirov | because the AQ mount can be used indoor |
| 23:20.12 | Kirov | s |
| 23:21.38 | Kirov | The AQ mounts are only usable inside of the 40 man AQ, but they can be used at any time you're not in combat. |
| 23:22.02 | Kirov | It's about a 10-15 minute run just to get half way through the instance on foot. |
| 23:22.27 | zenzio | sounds like a small version of The Barrens |
| 23:22.42 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:22.55 | Kirov | At least the barrens have a flight path to get you to the extremes |
| 23:23.10 | zenzio | hehe |
| 23:23.19 | zenzio | how tough is the 40-man AQ compared to MC/BWL? |
| 23:24.02 | Codayus | starts easier than bwl ends slightl harder, I've heard. my guild is just doing our 2nd mc raid tonight though, so no first hand experience. :-p |
| 23:24.15 | Kirov | Yeah, what Cod said |
| 23:24.21 | Adrine | It's easier to get into than BWL, by far |
| 23:24.27 | Adrine | But, it's not easy by any means |
| 23:24.29 | Kirov | Though it ends not slightly harder |
| 23:24.37 | Kirov | It ends several times harder |
| 23:24.53 | Codayus | They'll nerf it soon enough, I'm sure. ;_p |
| 23:24.54 | zenzio | I haven't set foot in either... hoping to get into a guild that does one of them once I hit 60 and get some decent gear again |
| 23:25.12 | Kirov | BWL the first two bosses are some of the hardest in the instance. |
| 23:25.44 | Codayus | instances need smooth progression, I think. |
| 23:25.45 | zenzio | actually, I did set foot in MC once, after completing the attunement... but that hardly counts |
| 23:25.55 | Codayus | having "doorkeepers" sucks |
| 23:26.06 | Codayus | c.f. 2nd aq20 boss |
| 23:26.22 | Kirov | Razorgore requires people know what they're doing and are decently coordinated. Vael requires people have the gear to do the damage and the smarts to handle aggro correctly. |
| 23:26.42 | zenzio | doorkeepers are fair enough, as long as they're not particularly tough |
| 23:27.05 | Kirov | The first boss of AQ 40 is confusing, but not really that hard. |
| 23:27.27 | Kirov | Second boss is optional, and decently difficult. |
| 23:27.38 | Codayus | aq20 2nd boss is quite hard. significnatly harder than the next couple. and ou can't bypass him. |
| 23:27.44 | Kirov | Third boss is more annoying than hard, and semi-random |
| 23:28.30 | Kirov | fourth boss just requires you know the strategy and have people with decent gear and who pay attention |
| 23:29.04 | Kirov | fifth boss is the most hated because to half the raid needs 250+ nature resistance, which means every swiches over to mauradon gear |
| 23:29.16 | Kirov | lvl 40 blues and greens =P |
| 23:29.46 | Codayus | 'sfunny |
| 23:29.46 | Kirov | The trash mobs after that are harder than most of the bosses in BWL |
| 23:30.05 | Codayus | I still wonder why bliz makes nature resist gear so hard to get... |
| 23:30.09 | Kirov | And the sixth boss my guild hasn't gotten past 95% |
| 23:30.16 | Codayus | guess they don't want the fights to be too easy? still sems weird. |
| 23:30.26 | kremonte | hmm |
| 23:30.33 | kremonte | why did slouken upload a hashed mod |
| 23:30.57 | Kirov | movekeys? |
| 23:30.59 | Codayus | ? |
| 23:31.02 | kremonte | yes Kirov |
| 23:31.05 | Cairenn | yes, movepad |
| 23:31.18 | Codayus | oh, that |
| 23:32.14 | Kirov | kremonte - if I remember correctly, it's supposedly going to be in 1.11 officially, but they didn't have time to pretty it up so slouken released it for 1.10 so those who wanted / needed it's functionality had it |
| 23:32.30 | kremonte | digital signatures? i don't see any info on em |
| 23:33.11 | kremonte | hmm |
| 23:33.12 | Kirov | There isn't much |
| 23:33.15 | kremonte | wierd |
| 23:33.22 | kremonte | all the .pub files are the same, including MovePad |
| 23:33.48 | Kirov | movepad is the first addon to be released that is flagged as being "secure" in the UI. |
| 23:33.57 | Kirov | curiously, it didn't show as such for 1.9 |
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| 23:36.11 | kremonte | what do you mean, flagged as secure? |
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| 23:36.34 | Codayus | the lock icon in the addon list |
| 23:36.41 | kremonte | i don't see a lock :x |
| 23:37.22 | Codayus | no? Just to the left of each name? |
| 23:37.30 | Codayus | I thought it was a lock...almost invisible? |
| 23:37.30 | kremonte | nope :/ |
| 23:37.34 | Cairenn | that's gone now |
| 23:37.45 | Codayus | oh? |
| 23:37.56 | Codayus | my bad. |
| 23:37.57 | Cairenn | you didn't notice? |
| 23:38.22 | Kirov | it's the last return of GetAddOnInfo() still |
| 23:38.31 | Codayus | nope. :-) |
| 23:38.39 | Kirov | And since 1.10 Movepad shows as "SECURE" |
| 23:38.46 | Kirov | though it didn't for 1.9 |
| 23:44.26 | Kirov | Oh, Adrine, for sanity, if you every wanted to implement that getmailiteminfo thing, since it's so freakishly slow, I'd advise against doing all mail items at once, but do one item every second or so. There's a curiosity with the interface in that you can see all of your mail, including the items in them, when not at your mail box if you've been to it once, as long as you don't try to open any. |
| 23:44.55 | Kirov | At least with 1.9 |
| 23:45.40 | Tem | Kirov: getmailiteminfo? |
| 23:45.42 | Tem | gimme |
| 23:45.51 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:46.19 | Kirov | lets see if it's still on the forums someplace |
| 23:46.36 | Kirov | noop |
| 23:46.47 | Kirov | I'll rewrite it real quick |
| 23:50.12 | Tem | what's it do? |
| 23:51.29 | Kirov | Matches an item to an item id via the tooltip |
| 23:51.50 | Tem | how do you handle modifiers? |
| 23:51.58 | Tem | such as Item X of the bear? |
| 23:52.07 | Tem | or Item X with crusader enchant? |
| 23:52.14 | Kirov | enchants I wasn't handling, but can |
| 23:52.36 | Tem | but it can still detect the item? |
| 23:53.08 | Kirov | It'll probably fail for any item with an enchant |
| 23:53.23 | Kirov | Otherwise it'll match it to the item id and suffix id correctly |
| 23:53.56 | Tem | that's very cool |
| 23:57.47 | Kirov | in a repeat ... until, can you reference a local inside the repeat in the until? |
| 23:59.34 | Tem | an upvalue? |
| 23:59.36 | Kirov | hrm |
| 23:59.49 | Kirov | I can't remember how I handled this in my original code |
