| 00:37.46 | Shouryuu | this addon is going to drive me nuts |
| 00:38.08 | Ktron | anyone know whether the command in lua is math.fmod or math.modf? |
| 00:38.19 | Ktron | (for certain) |
| 00:38.29 | Ktron | the changelog in the manual and the manual itself disagree |
| 00:38.47 | ckknight | Ktron, just math.mod |
| 00:38.54 | ckknight | neither math.modf nor math.fmod exist |
| 00:39.07 | Ktron | ckknight, It was changed from math.mod to one of hte otherones |
| 00:39.20 | ckknight | I see |
| 00:39.23 | ckknight | in WoW? |
| 00:39.29 | Ktron | in LUA |
| 00:39.48 | Ktron | not sure about WoW |
| 00:39.57 | ckknight | in lua 5.0, it's math.mod |
| 00:40.10 | Ktron | in 5.1, it's somethign else... is WoW running lua 5.0? |
| 00:40.12 | ckknight | in WoW, it's also math.mod or mod |
| 00:40.15 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:40.19 | Ktron | k |
| 00:40.20 | Ktron | thanks |
| 00:40.24 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
| 00:40.27 | Cairenn | hey :) |
| 00:40.39 | Ktron | and then it should be string.gfind not string.gmatch for WoW, right? |
| 00:40.42 | ckknight | i have solved the mysteries of saved variables in embedded libs! |
| 00:40.48 | ckknight | right, Ktron |
| 00:41.06 | Cairenn | ckknight: cool! |
| 00:41.13 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:41.32 | ckknight | downside is, if you have two mods that use the lib, it saves the variables twice and loads em twice |
| 00:41.43 | ckknight | but it does an intelligent merge if the times aren't the same |
| 00:41.52 | Cairenn | good |
| 00:41.55 | Ktron | table.foreach, table.foreachi, and table.setn are all in WoW right now too then right? |
| 00:42.01 | ckknight | yep |
| 00:42.29 | ckknight | now to split my HonorFu into a display part and a library part |
| 00:44.43 | Ktron | heh, and it looks like sort() instead of table.sort() is viable? |
| 00:45.03 | ckknight | both work |
| 00:45.22 | Ktron | that's a pain, is there documentation on the 'abbreviations' that work? |
| 00:45.37 | ckknight | www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 00:45.48 | _B | They're deprecated |
| 00:45.50 | Ktron | Those are the commands added by World of Warcraft |
| 00:46.02 | ckknight | go to the Lua functions part |
| 00:46.08 | _B | It also lists the deprecated functions |
| 00:46.37 | Shouryuu | some things never cease to amaze me |
| 00:46.43 | Shouryuu | I'm standing in the middle of WSG |
| 00:46.49 | _B | That is amazing |
| 00:46.53 | Shouryuu | I fiddle with my code, come back and I;'m still alive |
| 00:46.53 | Ktron | and sort isn't evne there ckknight... that's a good listing off the WoW API functions, then there's the regular LUA functions, but the abbreviation things :( |
| 00:46.56 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:47.00 | Shouryuu | meannie |
| 00:47.01 | Ktron | lol |
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| 00:50.54 | Shouryuu | If I add a funciton to my code, I have to reaload the game, reloadui won't work right? |
| 00:51.08 | ckknight | no, reloadui works |
| 00:51.13 | Shouryuu | cool |
| 00:54.20 | Guillotine | its only if you add a file |
| 00:54.23 | Guillotine | or change the toc file |
| 00:54.35 | ckknight | right |
| 00:59.22 | Esamynn | actually, you can change the TOC file with reloadui, you just can't change any portion of the header |
| 00:59.35 | Esamynn | meaning the ## sections |
| 01:00.37 | Kemayo | ckknight: can you think of anything that might make self:StopOnUpdate() freeze the game? |
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| 01:02.14 | ckknight | no |
| 01:02.26 | ckknight | all it does is set a value in a table to nil |
| 01:02.44 | ckknight | why do you even have an OnUpdate in your quest thing? |
| 01:02.48 | ckknight | doesn't seem appropriate |
| 01:03.33 | ckknight | Hey, what should I call my honor/bg-related library? |
| 01:03.44 | Kemayo | If one scans the quest log too early it gets the previous character's quests. |
| 01:03.53 | zenzelezz | Glory? |
| 01:04.27 | Kemayo | So the OnUpdate just forces it to wait for a bit before scanning, then cancels itself. |
| 01:04.34 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:04.46 | ckknight | maybe |
| 01:04.52 | ckknight | Glory could be cool |
| 01:04.55 | ckknight | it'd be GloryLib, though |
| 01:05.01 | ckknight | ah, works for now |
| 01:05.06 | Kemayo | It was never a problem that I had myself unless I deleted the savedvariables... but other people were reporting it more frequently. |
| 01:06.33 | Esamynn | Kemayo, is the quest data updated by the time PLAYER_LOGIN fires? |
| 01:08.23 | Kemayo | Not guaranteed until PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, I believe. |
| 01:08.31 | ckknight | so why not use that? |
| 01:08.31 | Esamynn | same thing |
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| 01:08.42 | ckknight | then unregister PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD afterwards |
| 01:09.22 | Esamynn | PLAYER_LOGIN fires immediately before PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and the same data is available for both events, the difference is that PLAYER_LOGIN only fires when logging in a character or reloading the ui |
| 01:09.51 | Kemayo | It's guaranteed that the addon will be loaded / the event registered before PLAYER_ENTERS_WORLD, right? |
| 01:10.15 | Esamynn | yes, unless it is LoadOnDemand |
| 01:10.36 | Esamynn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
| 01:11.53 | Kemayo | Would there be any benefit to using PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD to unregister quest-log events while a character is zoning? |
| 01:12.03 | Esamynn | doubtful |
| 01:12.19 | Esamynn | you'd have to check if they fire during zoning, but I highly doubt they do |
| 01:12.43 | ckknight | Kemayo, I think that functionality is going into the next Ace anyway |
| 01:12.55 | Kemayo | Okay, then I won't bother with it. |
| 01:13.44 | Esamynn | the client is being optimized to correct that problem in 1.11 anyways |
| 01:16.34 | Esamynn | anyways, catch you all later |
| 01:19.30 | ckknight | at what point does UnitFactionGroup("player") work? |
| 01:19.36 | ckknight | i.e. can I do it in the root of a file? |
| 01:23.56 | Kemayo | ...can anyone see why this might not be being called when I reload the ui? http://wow.pastebin.com/648728 |
| 01:24.20 | Kemayo | (The "player entered world" message doesn't print, and the variable doesn't get set.) |
| 01:26.04 | Kemayo | It works on login, though. |
| 01:26.37 | Ktron | Do the 'MoveViewXX()' functions work? |
| 01:27.17 | Kemayo | Hm. I just logged in/out, and now it does print the message when I reload the ui. |
| 01:28.09 | Kemayo | ckknight: does Enable() only get called on login? |
| 01:28.54 | Kemayo | And not on reloadui, I mean. |
| 01:29.47 | Kemayo | Oh, wait. Now reloading the UI didn't call it. Drat. |
| 01:31.52 | Kemayo | Okay. So. It looks like Enable() *may or may not* be called before PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD fires. |
| 01:40.24 | Tem|afk | Kemayo, is that the Ace based "Enable"? |
| 01:41.13 | Elviso | <Esamynn> you'd have to check if they fire during zoning, but I highly doubt they do |
| 01:41.37 | Elviso | it's possible they do, since when you enter a zone, checks are made to the NPC's to coordinate your quest status |
| 01:41.47 | Elviso | i.e. whether or not to put up a yellow ! or ?, etc |
| 01:41.59 | Tem | Elviso, Esamynn left the channel |
| 01:42.24 | Tem | Kemayo, if that's the Ace based Enable method, then no; it is not getting called before PEW |
| 01:43.05 | Elviso | ! |
| 01:43.06 | Tem | Kemayo, take a look in ...AceState.lua (I think) and you will see that Ace calls each addon's enable method right after PEW |
| 01:43.24 | Tem | perhaps it's AceAddon.lua |
| 01:43.37 | Tem | not sure where it's been a while since I've looked |
| 01:43.43 | Tem | but it's there |
| 01:44.15 | Kemayo | The quirky bit there is that it does get called before PEW on login. |
| 01:51.20 | Kemayo | Confusingly, AceState registers events in a different format than normal: ace.event:RegisterEvent(AceState, "VARIABLES_LOADED"). |
| 01:51.27 | cladhaire | I've noticed similar issues |
| 01:51.32 | cladhaire | I will be fixing that in the next version |
| 01:51.40 | cladhaire | AceState and AceEvent are being rewritten |
| 01:53.19 | cladhaire | They were written back in the day of not being able to trust UnitName and such |
| 02:04.42 | AnduinLothar | Anyone here use Subclipse? |
| 02:05.20 | Kemayo | Would anyone happen to know of something I could call to tell whether PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD has already fired? |
| 02:05.24 | Kemayo | Not I, I'm afraid. |
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| 02:07.26 | Ktron | Alright, that is enough of entering functions to make this API pack for notepad++ for the day... |
| 02:07.57 | Ktron | Did all of LUA and the WoW API off of wowwiki up to Debugging Functions |
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| 02:09.31 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 02:12.23 | Ktron | Why did I? |
| 02:12.59 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 02:14.01 | Kirov | in a for loop like "for i=1, 400 do", unless specified as a local before hand, the i is a global, right? |
| 02:14.12 | cladhaire | correct |
| 02:15.30 | Ktron | Because I don't like the current options for editors with highlighting for WoW, so I thought I'd take advantage of the option in notepad++ (my preferred editor) and set up a custom language for LUA with the WoW functions |
| 02:15.52 | Ktron | but that means specifying every single 'word' it should highlight heh |
| 02:18.32 | kremonte | the i isn't a global |
| 02:18.34 | kremonte | :/ |
| 02:18.50 | kremonte | function doI() DevTools_Dump(i) end for i = 1, 100 do doI() end |
| 02:18.55 | kremonte | returns nil 100 times |
| 02:19.22 | cladhaire | .,. thats why i said it was local |
| 02:19.27 | cladhaire | unless you specify |
| 02:19.28 | kremonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.28 | kremonte | <cladhaire> correct |
| 02:19.31 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 02:19.48 | kremonte | ._. |
| 02:19.59 | cladhaire | for i=1,100 do.. the i is local |
| 02:20.06 | kremonte | yes. |
| 02:20.08 | cladhaire | if you declare i prior to that point as a global.. it is a global. |
| 02:20.12 | kremonte | yes. |
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| 02:20.18 | AnduinLothar | to do what you want you have to make another local actually |
| 02:20.24 | AnduinLothar | within the for loop |
| 02:20.24 | kremonte | <Kirov> in a for loop like "for i=1, 400 do", unless specified as a local before hand, the i is a global, right? |
| 02:20.33 | cladhaire | sorry |
| 02:20.35 | cladhaire | i read his questino wrong. |
| 02:20.36 | kremonte | you silly |
| 02:20.36 | kremonte | ;P |
| 02:21.09 | AnduinLothar | function doI(x) DevTools_Dump(x) end for i = 1, 100 do doI(i) end |
| 02:21.41 | kremonte | AnduinLothar: he asked if it was global, and cladhaire misunderstood, so i tested to see if the i was global |
| 02:21.51 | kremonte | that there would print 1-100 |
| 02:21.58 | kremonte | OH I GOT IT |
| 02:22.03 | kremonte | i'll stop talking |
| 02:22.03 | AnduinLothar | or for i = 1, 100 do local doI = function() DevTools_Dump(i) end doI() end |
| 02:22.04 | kremonte | and |
| 02:22.06 | kremonte | everybody will be happy |
| 02:22.45 | AnduinLothar | which is onyl really useful it u assign the local func to a global table or something |
| 02:23.37 | AnduinLothar | so um.. what does this mean... "Install the eclipse-lua package in your eclipse tree" |
| 02:23.44 | Kirov | so |
| 02:23.54 | AnduinLothar | since there is no "eclipse-lua" int eh provided zip.. |
| 02:24.48 | Kirov | function foo() |
| 02:24.48 | Kirov | for i=1, 400 do |
| 02:24.48 | Kirov | stuff |
| 02:24.48 | Kirov | end |
| 02:24.50 | Kirov | the i is sitting around in global? |
| 02:24.57 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 02:25.00 | cladhaire | No, |
| 02:25.20 | AnduinLothar | it's local to the loop, but not each iteration |
| 02:25.31 | Kirov | so |
| 02:25.31 | Kirov | function foo() |
| 02:25.31 | Kirov | local i; |
| 02:25.31 | Kirov | for i... |
| 02:25.31 | Kirov | is pointless. |
| 02:25.42 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 02:25.46 | Ktron | yep, that local is unnecessary |
| 02:26.07 | AnduinLothar | and actually i think it will leave an undefined local i for the rest of the function |
| 02:26.21 | Ktron | o far as I have seen local used |
| 02:26.22 | AnduinLothar | since the for loop will make a new stack layer |
| 02:26.48 | Ktron | *As far as I have seen local used, it is only really useful to declare something local if you're using it to make a local copy of a global thing |
| 02:27.03 | kremonte | eh? |
| 02:27.10 | AnduinLothar | so that local i is actually a different i than the i used inside the forloop |
| 02:27.11 | Ktron | But I'm sure AnduinLothar cladhaire and everyone else listening are going to tell me I'm wrong. |
| 02:27.33 | AnduinLothar | mmm, local is good for things you don't need to keep |
| 02:27.36 | AnduinLothar | they're faster |
| 02:28.00 | AnduinLothar | and get marked for deletion when the func is done running |
| 02:28.10 | Ktron | usually things are implicitly declared local to the level they are at though, right? |
| 02:28.15 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 02:28.22 | AnduinLothar | notin jua |
| 02:28.26 | AnduinLothar | not in lua |
| 02:28.38 | Kirov | jua? |
| 02:28.40 | Kirov | heh |
| 02:28.47 | AnduinLothar | global unless otherwise specified or used in the before mentioned loops |
| 02:29.00 | Ktron | it's half way in between gua and lua |
| 02:29.01 | AnduinLothar | or used in function declaration |
| 02:29.01 | Wobin_ | Lua, majority of the time you must specify local |
| 02:29.38 | AnduinLothar | function(x) a=x end x is local, a is global |
| 02:29.45 | kremonte | not local = in global namespace = more memory used |
| 02:30.13 | Wobin_ | I think if you specify "variables automatically assigned through structures are usually local" |
| 02:30.20 | AnduinLothar | lol, right... local is not in the global name space, it's but on the stack |
| 02:30.44 | Wobin_ | kremonte =) "==" =) |
| 02:30.51 | AnduinLothar | untill the end of its parent structure |
| 02:30.54 | kremonte | it's like garbage. local = put in the garbage truck as soon as you throw it out, global = there until tomorrow morning, saved = always there stinking up your house |
| 02:31.03 | kremonte | ^_^ |
| 02:31.16 | AnduinLothar | saved? |
| 02:31.18 | kremonte | so in short, local = good |
| 02:31.19 | kremonte | savedvariables. |
| 02:31.22 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 02:31.23 | kremonte | they're stinky but necessary. |
| 02:31.30 | AnduinLothar | if you say so |
| 02:31.31 | kremonte | the undead rogues of lua |
| 02:31.38 | kremonte | i do, in fact, say so! |
| 02:31.40 | AnduinLothar | that's like saying HD's suck |
| 02:31.45 | kremonte | they do. |
| 02:31.48 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 02:31.52 | AnduinLothar | they're cheep |
| 02:31.52 | kremonte | my data floats in the air, around my computer |
| 02:31.54 | kremonte | ;) |
| 02:31.59 | kremonte | ah crap |
| 02:32.03 | kremonte | 1010100001000101010 just touched my arm |
| 02:32.12 | AnduinLothar | sleeep krem |
| 02:32.16 | kremonte | ;( |
| 02:33.34 | Kirov | I remember seeing something about human memory, where someone theorized that all memories just exist in the air, and the human brain was just a big antenna that received it, thus explaining deja vu and telepathy |
| 02:34.02 | kremonte | umm |
| 02:34.03 | Wobin_ | localised memoryspace? =P |
| 02:34.06 | kremonte | then when i slapped myself in the face |
| 02:34.09 | kremonte | i'd be stupid? |
| 02:34.09 | kremonte | :( |
| 02:34.14 | kremonte | wait. |
| 02:34.16 | Wobin_ | So if I went overseas, I'd forget everything =P |
| 02:34.20 | kremonte | i think i just answered my own question |
| 02:34.24 | Kirov | hehe |
| 02:34.26 | kremonte | slapping myself in the face is stupid |
| 02:34.28 | kremonte | ._. |
| 02:34.31 | Kirov | kremonte - yes |
| 02:34.34 | Ktron | Wobin_, maybe there's a cloud of your memories that follows you |
| 02:35.21 | ckknight | a more likely scientific theory of the soul is that we have a radio in our brain that connects to our soul on some other plane |
| 02:35.35 | ckknight | theorized by some French guy late 1800s |
| 02:35.38 | Ktron | but if you shove someone really hard and stand in their spot, you like mindmeld with them for a moment |
| 02:35.49 | ckknight | lol. |
| 02:36.34 | Kirov | Or you could just head butt them |
| 02:36.45 | AnduinLothar | and stun yourself? |
| 02:36.54 | Kirov | well, you'd have to do it right |
| 02:40.48 | kremonte | no |
| 02:40.51 | kremonte | go directly above them |
| 02:40.53 | kremonte | jump on their heads |
| 02:40.58 | kremonte | knocking them down and putting you there |
| 02:41.00 | Wobin_ | http://siln.livejournal.com/235478.html |
| 02:41.07 | Wobin_ | If you haven't seen that before |
| 02:44.31 | ckknight | omfg |
| 02:44.33 | ckknight | that was great |
| 02:47.54 | Cairenn | hahahaha |
| 02:53.43 | Cairenn | Wobin_: thanks for sharing that, way too funny |
| 02:54.05 | Kaelten | hello |
| 02:54.25 | Cairenn | hey Kaelten :) |
| 02:55.26 | Kaelten | how you doin cair |
| 02:55.35 | Ktron | the siln.livejournal thing is spectactular |
| 02:55.54 | Cairenn | isn't it though? |
| 02:57.27 | AnduinLothar | April 4th: "I'm exchanging Legend of Zelda sexual innuendos with my girl. |
| 02:57.27 | AnduinLothar | Yeah baby! Talk nerdy to me!" |
| 02:58.19 | Tain | The mathematics behind group-dating http://community.livejournal.com/polyamory/1693078.html |
| 03:32.00 | ckknight | lol, most recent episode of Numb3rs is about an MMORPG gamer |
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| 03:40.29 | Cairenn | wb |
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| 03:44.04 | Tain | hah hah! "I was suspended for running cosmos last weekend and they would never tell me what part of the tos I violated. " |
| 03:44.21 | Cairenn | riiiight |
| 03:47.20 | AnduinLothar | mmm, WowGlider? |
| 03:48.09 | Wobin_ | WoWGlider? |
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| 03:48.32 | AnduinLothar | as good a reason as any to get suspended |
| 03:48.51 | Cairenn | cosmos doesn't have wowglider in it though :p |
| 03:49.02 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, could fix that.. |
| 03:49.06 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 03:49.22 | AnduinLothar | nah, don't need to support more things i didn't write |
| 03:53.10 | Tain | hahah yeah you'll get slammed for wowglider, that's automatic. |
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| 04:36.24 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 04:36.57 | AnduinLothar | mh |
| 04:36.59 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 04:37.01 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 04:37.02 | AnduinLothar | erg |
| 04:40.06 | AnduinLothar | aw, i almost had the incling to be creative |
| 04:40.38 | AnduinLothar | again squashed by lethargy |
| 04:59.29 | Elviso | i had a clever reply |
| 04:59.35 | Elviso | but I'm too lazy to type it |
| 05:12.45 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 05:12.46 | purl | You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself. |
| 05:13.15 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 05:13.17 | purl | I could have helped you, but I won't. |
| 05:13.26 | Tem | my 2 favorites |
| 05:13.33 | ckknight | ~emulate saien |
| 05:13.35 | purl | Why do I care? Why are you posting here? |
| 05:13.37 | Tem | ~botsnack |
| 05:13.37 | purl | aw, gee, Tem |
| 05:13.43 | ckknight | ~emulate saien |
| 05:13.44 | purl | Why do I care? Why are you posting here? |
| 05:13.50 | Tem | lol purl hates you ckknight |
| 05:13.57 | ckknight | are those things that Saien has actually said? |
| 05:14.06 | Tem | direct quotes from the forum |
| 05:14.17 | ckknight | awesome |
| 05:14.18 | Tem | which is what makes them so funny |
| 05:14.46 | Tem | they're good material for when you want to be a complete dick |
| 05:15.07 | Cairenn | ~emulate saien |
| 05:15.10 | purl | Your question is not very descriptive, helpful, or useful in any manner. |
| 05:15.20 | Cairenn | ~emulate saien |
| 05:15.21 | purl | You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself. |
| 05:15.31 | Cairenn | ~emulate saien |
| 05:15.33 | purl | Your question is not very descriptive, helpful, or useful in any manner. |
| 05:20.10 | Kirov | Saien is such an ass, it's awesome |
| 05:21.30 | Tem | so awesome that I'll never use one of his addons |
| 05:21.44 | Tem | no matter how cool/usefule/unique/ZOMG I NEED THAT/ it is |
| 05:22.16 | Tem | s/usefule/useful/ |
| 05:25.30 | Kirov | meh |
| 05:25.38 | Kirov | I hate Microsoft, but I still use windows |
| 05:30.17 | zespri | How do I extract maps from wow? Specificaly I need the maps that are displayed when you hit M button? |
| 05:32.43 | ckknight | they're textures |
| 05:32.55 | Kirov | zespri - they're in the .mpq files as 4 textures |
| 05:33.21 | zespri | 4? |
| 05:33.23 | ckknight | I use MCP and UberQuest |
| 05:33.27 | ckknight | it pains me |
| 05:33.59 | Kirov | I use old AutoBar, MCP and EventProfiler, though I've been thinking about rewriting Event Profiler |
| 05:34.18 | Kirov | zespri - top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right |
| 05:36.23 | zespri | is this textures.mpq or some other mpq? |
| 05:36.50 | ckknight | interface.mpq |
| 05:42.09 | zespri | thank you |
| 05:46.12 | zespri | looks like there are 12 files, not 4 |
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| 05:52.23 | ckknight | what are you trying to do, zespri? |
| 05:54.44 | zespri | I just want to extract zone maps |
| 05:55.26 | Cairenn | to what end? |
| 05:55.27 | zespri | is blp vector format? like it scales to infintiy? |
| 05:56.27 | zespri | I want to display these map in custom applications so that you can scale them. So the look nice both on 800x600 and upwards |
| 05:56.35 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:57.17 | zespri | so when you mximize your window it looks nice and when you resize it to be tiny it looks nice too |
| 05:58.48 | zespri | with scaling down there usualy no problems, but sometimes it's problem to scale up |
| 05:59.24 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 06:02.27 | zespri | ok I'm absolutely sure that someone has these maps extracteed with the best resolution possible, now I just need to find this someone |
| 06:02.30 | Kirov | blp is a dxtc format |
| 06:02.39 | Kirov | similar to .jpg |
| 06:03.48 | zespri | for each zone there are 12 blp "background" files - what you see when you haven't explored the zone, they are named zonename1 -zonename12 |
| 06:04.22 | zespri | then there are some files with "open" map. there may be less then 12 and they are custom named such as IronTreeWood |
| 06:05.03 | zespri | I'm sure that somewhere there is a file that maps these names to background numbers but it takes some work to extract and place all of them rightly |
| 06:05.19 | zespri | so I'd rather reuse somebody else's work =) |
| 06:07.00 | Cairenn | http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/ , http://www.videogamemaps.net/? , http://www.thottbot.com/?z=b , http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/areas.html |
| 06:07.20 | Cairenn | there's four different places with maps you can see if any of them will work for you |
| 06:08.45 | zespri | cheers, Cairenn |
| 06:10.30 | Cairenn | there are others too, but I figured those could get you started nicely |
| 06:10.53 | Cairenn | easy enough to google for WoW Maps :p |
| 06:14.07 | Tem | so I went to read a bit on the rogue forum... |
| 06:14.16 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 06:14.21 | Tem | and I see them all complaining about some suposed thread |
| 06:14.28 | Tem | that's supposedly stickied |
| 06:14.36 | Tem | but I can't find anthing like it |
| 06:14.47 | Tem | anyone know what they're complaining about? |
| 06:15.09 | Cairenn | no idea, I don't go to any forums other than UI |
| 06:15.21 | Tem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=1034153&p=1&tmp=1#post1034153 |
| 06:15.26 | Tem | I don't either |
| 06:15.35 | Tem | though I've been poping my head in the mage forum once a week |
| 06:15.49 | Tem | since there is a chance they might give some info about the changes |
| 06:16.00 | Tem | and like normal there's a bunch of whining |
| 06:16.20 | Tem | today it's complaining that we have to "share a patch" with Naxx and Shamans. |
| 06:16.38 | AnduinLothar | the changes were, meh... |
| 06:16.39 | Tem | AND to bitch that rogues have a bunch of "blue tagged" threads while we have none |
| 06:16.56 | Tem | AnduinLothar: you saw the changes? |
| 06:17.04 | AnduinLothar | O:-) |
| 06:17.28 | Tem | no offense, but your opinion doesn't really mean anything to me in this matter |
| 06:17.34 | AnduinLothar | i don't play a mage, so i didn't pay too much attention |
| 06:17.39 | Tem | (you've said before that you haven't ever played any other class) |
| 06:17.55 | Tem | though, I'm jealous that you have seen the changes |
| 06:18.03 | zespri | sure. wprldofwar's are very nice maps but they do overlays with all sort of useful information that I don't need, videogamemaps are instances. alla and thott will probably work. they are only 1000x670 but I guess that's what is inside wow |
| 06:18.08 | Tem | I assume they made you sign a nda? |
| 06:18.11 | AnduinLothar | well, it'll be the last time, so don't feel too bad |
| 06:18.27 | AnduinLothar | of course |
| 06:19.02 | Tem | what will be the last time? |
| 06:19.42 | AnduinLothar | ah, you're outa the loop. Cair can fill you in. I'm gonna go play some dota |
| 06:20.16 | Cairenn | later AnduinLothar, have a good one |
| 06:20.22 | Tem | the you not working there thing? |
| 06:20.37 | Cairenn | he got fired |
| 06:20.46 | Tem | right, I was lurking that night |
| 06:20.58 | Cairenn | so, no more inside/advance info |
| 06:21.01 | Tem | and by that I mean ninja afk |
| 06:21.21 | Tem | right, I think it's really shitty the way they fired you |
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| 06:40.49 | Shouryuu_ | reloadui shouldn't prevent youfrom going afk right? |
| 06:41.24 | ckknight | right |
| 06:42.41 | Tem | it doesn't Shouryuu_ |
| 06:52.00 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 06:53.16 | Shouryuu_ | night |
| 07:08.16 | Shouryuu_ | ok this angering me |
| 07:08.31 | Shouryuu_ | code which worked before I logged out, isn't working anymore |
| 07:10.02 | Shouryuu_ | even my events aren't firing |
| 07:12.11 | Shouryuu_ | I really don't get it |
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| 07:14.59 | sweede2 | anyone there for a table.insert question ? |
| 07:16.26 | Shouryuu_ | not sure I cana nswer |
| 07:16.49 | Shouryuu_ | but you can try |
| 07:17.01 | sweede2 | im trying to make a table with two values, one being the name of a character and the other being their dkp value. What i want in the end is an array thats like, |
| 07:17.04 | sweede2 | foo = 12, |
| 07:17.11 | sweede2 | bar = 10 |
| 07:17.13 | sweede2 | etc.. |
| 07:17.32 | sweede2 | but table.insert(table,{name = dkp}) isnt workign as i would like |
| 07:19.23 | Shouryuu_ | So you want *one* table, with two values? Like MyTalbe[1]= SomeName MyTable[2]=SomeNamesDKP ? |
| 07:19.56 | sweede2 | mytable['sweede'] = 12 , mytable[Shouryuu] = 134, etc |
| 07:21.05 | Shouryuu_ | then it's table.insert(MyTable,sweede,12) table.insert(MyTable,Shouryuu,134) |
| 07:21.08 | Shouryuu_ | I think |
| 07:23.02 | sweede2 | nope, wasnt working. |
| 07:24.04 | ckknight | blah |
| 07:24.13 | ckknight | Shouryuu_, you are horribly, horribly wrong |
| 07:24.19 | Shouryuu_ | sowy =( |
| 07:24.32 | ckknight | table.insert() is only for inserting in a numerical fashion |
| 07:24.48 | ckknight | what you want is mytable['string'] = number |
| 07:24.48 | Shouryuu_ | didn't know that |
| 07:24.54 | ckknight | or mytable.string = number |
| 07:24.55 | ckknight | same thing |
| 07:25.24 | sweede2 | so i would have to do mytable = {name} , then do a mytable[name] = 12? |
| 07:25.31 | ckknight | nope |
| 07:25.38 | ckknight | that is also wrong |
| 07:25.56 | ckknight | mytable = {name}; assert(mytable[1] == name) |
| 07:26.13 | ckknight | mytable = {name = value} is what you want |
| 07:26.23 | ckknight | if name is a string |
| 07:26.39 | ckknight | literal string, not a value holding a strng |
| 07:26.40 | ckknight | string* |
| 07:26.51 | ckknight | e.g. mytable = { Boss = 500 } |
| 07:26.58 | sweede2 | right |
| 07:27.16 | ckknight | same as mytable = { ["boss"] = 500 }, except Trillian keeps fucking with my capitals |
| 07:27.37 | sweede2 | so i'd have IDKP_ViewerHasBid = {BidderName = dkp}; right |
| 07:27.43 | ckknight | or you could do mytable = {}; mytable["Boss"] = 500 |
| 07:27.47 | Tem | not quite |
| 07:28.04 | Tem | looks like you want IDKP_ViewerHasBid = {[BidderName] = dkp} |
| 07:28.14 | Shouryuu_ | ok, is if A and B then the same thing as If A then If B then? |
| 07:28.28 | sweede2 | will that overwrite the table each time i run the routine though ? |
| 07:28.32 | Tem | assuming BidderName is a variable |
| 07:28.36 | Tem | oh god, please no |
| 07:28.39 | ckknight | Shouryuu_, sorta, you need another end, though |
| 07:28.47 | Shouryuu_ | yeah |
| 07:28.55 | ckknight | sweede2, yes, it overwrites |
| 07:28.58 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 07:29.03 | Shouryuu_ | night tem |
| 07:29.06 | sweede2 | thats what i dont want, i want it to add to the existing table. |
| 07:29.16 | sweede2 | which is why i was using table.insert |
| 07:29.21 | ckknight | so then IDKP_ViewerHasBid[BidderName] = dkp |
| 07:29.42 | ckknight | table.insert is only for numeric keys |
| 07:32.38 | Shouryuu_ | argghh, my PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED isn't workig |
| 07:32.42 | Shouryuu_ | it's not firing |
| 07:32.52 | ckknight | did you register for it? |
| 07:33.21 | Shouryuu_ | local eventFrame = CreateFrame("Frame") eventFrame:SetScript("OnEvent", BGFlagInfoOnEvent); eventFrame:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED") |
| 07:33.37 | Shouryuu_ | it was working this morning, now, nada |
| 07:34.07 | Shouryuu_ | my OnEvent function is fired for other events, just not this one |
| 07:35.04 | Shouryuu_ | maybe I sleep-walked during my last nap and changed it but, meh |
| 07:35.50 | Shouryuu_ | I really don't get it |
| 07:36.14 | Shouryuu_ | ahhhhhh |
| 07:36.22 | Shouryuu_ | added an if, and forgot an end :P |
| 07:38.02 | sweede2 | ok, so i got my array now, using IDKP_ViewerHasBid[BidderName] = dkp , now lets suppose i want to remove one of the entries from the array all together.. |
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| 07:38.22 | sweede2 | like i have, azrael => 12, mangsta => 2, araex=> 14 , and i want to remove mangsta all togheter |
| 07:38.31 | sweede2 | would that be table['mangsta'] = nil ? |
| 07:38.58 | ckknight | right |
| 07:39.15 | ckknight | then it'll be like he never existed at all |
| 07:39.28 | sweede2 | leet |
| 07:42.18 | sweede2 | this is fun :) |
| 07:42.51 | ckknight | don't overuse tables |
| 07:42.57 | ckknight | they cause cancer |
| 07:44.00 | sweede2 | hehe |
| 07:44.11 | sweede2 | i need a way to sort that table now, by the DKP of the user.. |
| 07:45.26 | Shouryuu_ | I think table.sort(table) does that |
| 07:45.41 | sweede2 | didnt work. |
| 07:45.48 | ckknight | yea, that's only for numeric tables |
| 07:46.01 | Shouryuu_ | table.sort() sorts by keys then? |
| 07:46.08 | ckknight | no, by values |
| 07:46.13 | ckknight | but the keys have to be numeric |
| 07:46.16 | Shouryuu_ | but numerical ones |
| 07:46.17 | Shouryuu_ | ok :P |
| 07:46.21 | ckknight | hang on, I'll tell you how to do it |
| 07:46.33 | ckknight | wait, |
| 07:46.35 | ckknight | no |
| 07:46.47 | ckknight | sorting doesn't really "work" when the keys aren't numeric |
| 07:49.01 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:49.17 | ckknight | okay, I figured out a way |
| 07:49.18 | sweede2 | i found an example :) |
| 07:49.24 | ckknight | that works too |
| 07:49.25 | ckknight | link? |
| 07:50.00 | sweede2 | well, it was in another peice of code.. one sec |
| 07:50.32 | sweede2 | http://pastebin.com/649056 |
| 07:51.14 | ckknight | yep, that'd do it |
| 07:51.45 | sweede2 | now i need to re-do a couple things... |
| 07:57.25 | sweede2 | sweet ! that works perfectly |
| 07:59.33 | Miravlix | And AutoBuff is back, but in a scroll wheel hooking version, ugh |
| 07:59.43 | sweede2 | heh |
| 08:02.46 | Shouryuu_ | Miravlix Lol |
| 08:02.55 | Shouryuu_ | aww damn |
| 08:03.08 | Shouryuu_ | they are going to braek the mod that allows to scrool the chat frame then I guess |
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| 08:03.50 | Miravlix | Just installed it to see, but I have my reservation with this approch |
| 08:07.21 | Miravlix | Hmm, slow UI web site day, curse crashed already |
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| 08:12.52 | sweede2 | i made a new frame int he xml file named IDKP_WinnerForm, but when i try to do IDKP_WinnerForm:IsVisible() , in the onload (its in an if statement), i get a nil error. |
| 08:12.52 | sweede2 | its not the only frmae thats being hidden, adn the other one works fine. |
| 08:16.23 | Tem|Sleep | Shouryuu_: no they won't |
| 08:16.35 | Tem|Sleep | Shouryuu_: they will make the zoom functions protected |
| 08:17.09 | Tem|Sleep | Shouryuu_: that will not break "chatscroll" type addons because those work off the ChatFrame's OnMouseWheel event |
| 08:18.12 | Tem|Sleep | the problem with making the Zoom functions protected is for people like me who rarely if ever zoom, it wouldn't harm me to just not have the mousewheel do that |
| 08:18.20 | Tem|Sleep | so I don't know how they will break that |
| 08:18.55 | Tem|Sleep | kinda pisses me off that people are finding ways around the new restrictions |
| 08:19.03 | Tem|Sleep | they were put there for a reason |
| 08:19.07 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:19.12 | Tem|Sleep | take the hint and stop fucking doing it |
| 08:19.31 | ckknight | what would be better is if they just had a warning pop up saying "press q" |
| 08:19.36 | ckknight | then you press q, and it buffs you |
| 08:19.41 | ckknight | or whatever |
| 08:19.54 | AnduinLothar | already been done |
| 08:20.01 | ckknight | well, yea |
| 08:20.12 | AnduinLothar | or there's always the screen size button approach |
| 08:20.20 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 08:20.25 | ckknight | oh, that |
| 08:20.34 | AnduinLothar | or the relocate button to under the cursor |
| 08:20.36 | ckknight | doesn't that break dragging or something? |
| 08:20.41 | Tem|Sleep | regardless of the approach, it's clear that blizzard doesn't want that kind of thing |
| 08:20.46 | ckknight | I hardly ever click anyway |
| 08:21.31 | Shouryuu_ | Yeah I agree |
| 08:21.33 | AnduinLothar | i like my right click hook |
| 08:21.47 | Shouryuu_ | it's completly stupid to find ways around the new restrictions |
| 08:22.19 | ckknight | right click hook? |
| 08:22.35 | Shouryuu_ | Blizzard has total control over the API, if they want something done, it will be done, no matter how much you try to out-smart them |
| 08:23.01 | AnduinLothar | ya, i hooked buffbot to my right click so the looking still works but if buffs/decurses when i click up |
| 08:23.17 | Shouryuu_ | nice |
| 08:23.45 | Shouryuu_ | but yeah, I don't click that much neither |
| 08:24.09 | AnduinLothar | i tend to just run forward and look with the right click and strafe to keep going in the same direction but face the way i'm looking |
| 08:24.40 | AnduinLothar | so i click often |
| 08:24.47 | AnduinLothar | so it fits my play style |
| 08:25.01 | Shouryuu_ | I just press left and right click to move around |
| 08:35.49 | Miravlix | Hmm, slightly better than clicking a button I guess. |
| 08:42.19 | Miravlix | This looks like it might work better than the hook it all of old. |
| 08:44.05 | Shouryuu_ | Could someone briefly explain how I could write a mod that would transform z into a modifier, like Ctrl or Shift? I really have no idea how to... |
| 08:44.27 | ckknight | how do I set a backdrop's background to pure black? |
| 08:44.42 | ckknight | without any transparency as well |
| 08:44.55 | Shouryuu_ | no idea :S |
| 08:45.25 | Miravlix | Shouryuu: Don't think there is a way to make a IsZDown() |
| 08:45.48 | Shouryuu_ | damn, we told me I could... |
| 08:46.05 | Shouryuu_ | so there is no way to bind an action to z+3 for example? |
| 08:46.13 | ckknight | right |
| 08:47.02 | Shouryuu_ | dang |
| 08:49.19 | Shouryuu_ | would it be hard to write an add-on that would swap my Action page to 1 each time I try to cast something? |
| 08:52.03 | ckknight | probably not |
| 08:59.27 | Shouryuu_ | lol that sucks |
| 08:59.45 | Tem|Sleep | Shouryuu_: well you could |
| 08:59.46 | ckknight | you asked if it'd be hard |
| 09:00.04 | Shouryuu_ | ah |
| 09:00.06 | Shouryuu_ | lol :P |
| 09:00.07 | Tem|Sleep | it just wouldn't be pretty |
| 09:00.13 | ckknight | right |
| 09:00.15 | Shouryuu_ | ugly is middle name |
| 09:00.17 | ckknight | Tem, aren't you asleep? |
| 09:00.24 | Tem|Sleep | supposed to be |
| 09:00.33 | Tem|Sleep | I should have gone to bed 2 hours ago |
| 09:03.38 | Tem|Sleep | alright |
| 09:03.40 | Tem|Sleep | really gone now |
| 09:05.07 | Shouryuu_ | omg |
| 09:05.11 | Shouryuu_ | I think my add on works |
| 09:07.05 | wereHamster | Shouryuu, I have an addon that binds actions to keys (instead of keys to button slots).. maybe that could help you |
| 09:07.19 | Shouryuu_ | that would indeed |
| 09:07.26 | wereHamster | action == spell for now, but that can be extendet |
| 09:07.47 | wereHamster | spells and for wlocks/hunters petfollow and petattack |
| 09:08.02 | Shouryuu_ | I just need: First press of Z, change action page to page X, Second Press of X, Action page to page 1 |
| 09:09.16 | wereHamster | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4619 |
| 09:09.55 | wereHamster | I haven't worked on it for months though |
| 09:13.09 | wereHamster | and I'm afraid it depends on this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4618 .. which is bloated like hell |
| 09:14.42 | Shouryuu_ | k thanks |
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| 09:57.25 | Miravlix | One mans bloat is another mans feature rich |
| 09:58.17 | Miravlix | Though with modern unload at runtime codeing it doesn't matter anymore, after the first GC run things are cleaned up |
| 09:58.27 | Miravlix | and after 1.11 you can even force a gc reset |
| 09:58.40 | Miravlix | So it's all done before the loading screen disapper |
| 09:59.47 | wereHamster | "unload at runtime" ? |
| 09:59.52 | Miravlix | But I'm not entirely convinced a gcreset is a good thing |
| 10:00.05 | Miravlix | I dread the day someone makes an onupdate with a gcreset in it |
| 10:00.24 | Miravlix | wereHamster, Yeah, Lua has a garbage model, so use it. :) |
| 10:03.47 | Miravlix | You can code your addon in a table |
| 10:03.52 | Miravlix | Then do table = nil |
| 10:04.03 | Miravlix | Next GC run and your addon vanish |
| 10:04.46 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 10:04.48 | ckknight | if coded properly |
| 10:05.22 | Miravlix | Pretty hard to code it wrong. |
| 10:05.42 | ckknight | if you don't clear your hooks and such |
| 10:05.57 | Miravlix | Unregister events |
| 10:06.02 | Miravlix | kill onhandlers |
| 10:06.12 | wereHamster | I want a new toc attribute 'Localization: FileName' that would dynamically load FileName.."."..GetLocale()..".lua" depending on which locale the client is in.. I so hate if (GetLocale() == "enGB") then |
| 10:06.16 | Miravlix | Hide your frame since frames can't be killed |
| 10:06.36 | ckknight | that'd be handy, wereHamster |
| 10:06.49 | wereHamster | can someone post that to the US forums? |
| 10:06.51 | Miravlix | Don't see it makes much difference |
| 10:06.59 | ckknight | link, wereHamster? |
| 10:07.00 | Miravlix | and most of us use english as default |
| 10:07.10 | ckknight | localization is important |
| 10:07.23 | Miravlix | Then change it with how well the localization for some language is |
| 10:07.25 | wereHamster | Miravlix, you live in the US I suppose.. |
| 10:07.35 | Miravlix | No |
| 10:07.37 | Miravlix | I'm EU |
| 10:07.46 | wereHamster | GB then |
| 10:07.51 | Miravlix | No |
| 10:07.55 | wereHamster | o.O |
| 10:08.16 | ckknight | where do you live? |
| 10:08.30 | Miravlix | Cosmos goes with English as default |
| 10:08.45 | Miravlix | then use if GetLocale() == "otherlanguage" then |
| 10:08.50 | wereHamster | <= deCH .. narrows my location down to a few square kilometers :) |
| 10:08.50 | Miravlix | to modify the endlish setup |
| 10:09.06 | ckknight | deCH? |
| 10:09.23 | Miravlix | That way we can code the addon |
| 10:09.31 | Miravlix | and our translators can work on translating it |
| 10:09.50 | Miravlix | It still mostly works on all platforms until the localization gets done |
| 10:10.06 | Miravlix | Some things need coded localization and isn't just visual offcourse |
| 10:10.08 | wereHamster | deCH .. "de" means I spek german.. and "CH" is the country code |
| 10:10.48 | ckknight | honestly can't think of the country, wereHamster |
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| 10:12.38 | wereHamster | CH == Confederatio Helvetica .. or something like that |
| 10:14.16 | ckknight | alright |
| 10:14.16 | wereHamster | You know the WEF -- "World Economic Forum" in Davos? that's in CH.. and Geneva (some UN headquartes and the red cross is there).. that';s also in CH |
| 10:14.30 | ckknight | ah, okay |
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| 10:15.30 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 10:18.54 | wereHamster | cool.. CH has a blog: http://confoederatio.blogspot.com/ |
| 10:19.52 | ckknight | hey, ComicSansMS |
| 10:21.03 | Shouryuu_ | w00t |
| 10:21.06 | Shouryuu_ | my add-on works! |
| 10:21.07 | Shouryuu_ | weeee |
| 10:21.10 | ckknight | hooray |
| 10:22.04 | Shouryuu_ | now the question |
| 10:22.16 | Shouryuu_ | should I reset my table after each BG, or only when you quit the game? |
| 10:24.08 | ckknight | not sure about that |
| 10:24.13 | ckknight | I'd say when you quit |
| 10:24.36 | Shouryuu_ | same |
| 10:24.44 | Shouryuu_ | The addon is far more usefull that way |
| 10:24.57 | Shouryuu_ | In a quick BG, I didn't have the time to target anyone |
| 10:25.01 | Shouryuu_ | I'm a priest, but still |
| 10:25.20 | Shouryuu_ | and the table will never grow into something bigger than 40-50 names |
| 10:25.24 | Shouryuu_ | unless you really try |
| 10:26.21 | Shouryuu_ | I like exposing what I think to myself :p |
| 10:49.11 | Miravlix | Anyone know any studies of Wepaon skill gaining? |
| 11:00.44 | Shouryuu_ | no not really |
| 11:01.03 | ckknight | check wowwiki, it'd have em if anywhere |
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| 12:43.21 | Shouryuu | is there a program that would make my computer believe I'm pressing Ctrl when in fact I'm pressing Z? |
| 12:45.41 | Elkano | sth like this? http://webpages.charter.net/krumsick/ |
| 12:45.51 | Elkano | (google remap keyboard ^^) |
| 12:45.56 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 12:45.59 | Shouryuu | I suck at google |
| 12:46.31 | Shouryuu | would that pose any problems wow-wise? |
| 12:46.46 | Elkano | according to the description it's done via changing some registry settings |
| 12:47.01 | Shouryuu | so no? |
| 12:47.18 | Shouryuu | I'll ask a GM anyways |
| 12:47.37 | Elkano | don't think so; I would take it as 100% legal since it's not a memory resident 3rd party app |
| 12:48.46 | Elkano | you can also google for "scancode map" if you want to do it yourself |
| 12:52.26 | Elkano | but you will lose your z key this way |
| 12:59.33 | Shouryuu | k thanks |
| 13:01.54 | wereHamster | I'm writing an i18n addon (so I can use CastSpellByName(localize("ShieldSlam)) ).. and in my last attempt I had a function that would translate a string from user locale to a internationalized version (eg. "Shield Slam" => "ShieldSlam"), I did so because I thought it would be nice for addons that do inter-client communication in raids, like cooldown reporting, so you could do commChannel:write(internatialize("Shield Sl |
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| 13:09.38 | wereHamster | this is also why I wanted the "Localization" property in the toc file. WoW now loads all my files (a lot of strings, maybe thousands for each locale) only to see that I discard 3/4 of them (4 locales, I use only one). With the 'Localization' keyword, WoW would need to load only one file and could ignore the other files. |
| 13:14.11 | Elkano | you can't execute a lua script from within another in WoW, can you? |
| 13:14.44 | Elkano | since this would allow you to build this functionality yourself |
| 13:16.13 | wereHamster | what do you mean by 'lua script'? |
| 13:17.15 | Elkano | well, that you have a statement like include("localization_enUS.lua") to make WoW execute that code, too |
| 13:17.47 | wereHamster | lua ha loadfile(), but that's not available in WoW |
| 13:18.14 | krka | just load everything and then throw away the stuff you don't need |
| 13:18.20 | krka | will get lost in the next GC |
| 13:19.39 | wereHamster | yep.. but It's a bit a waste to first load the files only to delete the data in the next GC sweep |
| 13:19.43 | Cairenn | morning Kael |
| 13:19.55 | Kaelten | mornin m'lady |
| 13:20.06 | Cairenn | :) |
| 13:20.15 | krka | very small waste |
| 13:20.28 | wereHamster | if you think so :) |
| 13:21.54 | krka | why do you have to load unnecessary locales though? |
| 13:22.01 | krka | the locale is available instantly |
| 13:22.12 | krka | just do if getlocale() == "en" or something |
| 13:22.40 | wereHamster | but WoW still has to load the whole file into RAM and lua has t oparse it |
| 13:24.32 | wereHamster | I do this btw: i18nLoadFunctions[GetLocale()]() and each function is auto-generated from a input file that contains the translations for all strings. |
| 13:28.37 | krka | the parsing is very fast |
| 13:28.54 | wereHamster | ok. |
| 13:29.20 | krka | but then you have to first create function closures for each localization |
| 13:31.36 | wereHamster | yes, but I think compared to the whole file and what the function does it's acceptable. and I can delete the function from memory after I've loaded the user locale |
| 13:32.07 | wereHamster | eg. for _, func ind i18nLoadFunctions do func = nil end |
| 13:32.37 | ckknight | why make a function per localization? |
| 13:32.40 | ckknight | seems like a waste |
| 13:32.50 | krka | well, just as fast and less garbage to just do if ... then <define strings> end |
| 13:33.03 | ckknight | yea |
| 13:33.18 | krka | but like i said, doesn't really matter either way |
| 13:33.39 | wereHamster | ay.. didn't think about that .. thanks :) |
| 13:33.53 | krka | easier to code too |
| 13:34.58 | wereHamster | it's autogenerated :) |
| 13:36.42 | krka | the autogeneration code has to be written too :P |
| 13:44.26 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
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| 15:50.13 | krka | any event sent before blizzard writes savedvariables? |
| 15:51.28 | Cafeine__ | guys, anyone of you having issues with the anchoring of the latest tipbuddy ? |
| 15:52.00 | Cafeine__ | I have to set the anchoring at each relog (at start it's waaayyy far from mobs) |
| 15:52.20 | Cairenn | no problems here |
| 15:52.37 | Cafeine__ | mmm weird. |
| 15:52.54 | Cafeine__ | it's working perfectly after the setup... |
| 15:53.10 | Cairenn | make sure it hasn't somehow been set to read-only |
| 15:53.28 | Cafeine__ | in the WTF var ? |
| 15:53.31 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 15:53.50 | Cafeine__ | k I'll do that now. (our server is crashed once more anyway) |
| 15:54.28 | Cafeine__ | (and thx for the tips :) ) |
| 15:55.02 | Cairenn | may not be it, but can't hurt to look |
| 15:56.16 | Cafeine__ | nope, not that problem, I confirm it's elswhere... |
| 15:56.24 | Cairenn | if that doesn't fix it, try deleting it completely, log all the way in, back out, reinstall it, log in |
| 15:56.45 | Cairenn | and see if it keeps the settings |
| 15:57.06 | wereHamster | krka, PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD ? |
| 15:57.28 | Cafeine__ | yeah I'll do that |
| 15:57.31 | Cafeine__ | clean start :) |
| 15:57.56 | krka | does that get called before /reload too wereHamster? |
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| 16:09.04 | wereHamster | krka, I don't think so.. reloadui has always been a special case.. |
| 16:11.38 | krka | how annoying |
| 16:12.13 | krka | so no reliable way to write stuff to your savedvariables before they get flushed |
| 16:17.07 | wereHamster | Maybe you get PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD on reloadui, but I've had problems with my raid addon, I didn't receive RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE on reloadui... do a quick check, write something to savedvariables when you receive PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD :) |
| 16:18.41 | krka | doesn't make sense to get PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD when you're not leaving :P |
| 16:22.03 | Miravlix | You get player leaving world when you don't leave the world and you don't get it when you leave the world, it makes perfect sense |
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| 16:26.07 | Ktron | here's the plan-- next UI patch, all the versions of addons we release will, every 15 minutes, deliver a message to the player that says, "Petition to Blizzard for better events!" with some basic instructions on a format. Blizzard will be bombarded, and we'll be like the winners or stuff. |
| 16:27.12 | zenzelezz | or they'll disable unofficial addons |
| 16:27.44 | Ktron | No, they wouldn't do that, they know that the player body relies on unofficial addons |
| 16:27.54 | Ktron | and without them, people will get way upset |
| 16:28.02 | Ktron | and they might even lose customers over it |
| 16:28.52 | Ktron | CTRaid, for example, is pretty much required to effectively manage some of the BWL fights |
| 16:29.07 | Ktron | and close to that for a lot of hte other raid instances |
| 16:29.36 | Ktron | I wonder if there are even people who try BWL stuff without CTRaid or one of hte few other raid addons |
| 16:33.36 | Codayus | Ktron: Bliz's internal testers do. |
| 16:34.28 | Ktron | heh, that must be impressive to do, but I'm sure you're right |
| 16:37.33 | wereHamster | krka, you get that event if you enter an instance, and there you don/'t leave the world, too |
| 16:39.54 | wereHamster | a lot of BWL fights can be done without CTRA, I use spellallert or another spell timing addon, don't know the name right now |
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| 16:40.57 | Ktron | Well, the point I was going for is imagine doing the fights with no addons |
| 16:41.04 | krka | not true, you do leave the world when entering an instance |
| 16:41.54 | Codayus | And my point is that Bliz's internal testers use no addons at all for testing balance. (Or so I've been told.) |
| 16:41.57 | wereHamster | .. that';s what I meant.. you don't leave the world (I don't consider entering an instace leaving world) and yet you get the event |
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| 16:42.34 | krka | i've started developing a GRAB gui now, going much more smoothly with non-xml :) |
| 16:45.28 | Cide | pretty sure we receieve PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD on reloadui.. |
| 16:46.07 | Iriel | We're supposed to |
| 16:46.24 | Cairenn | hey Iriel :) |
| 16:47.03 | Iriel | I can test it |
| 16:47.05 | Iriel | hey all |
| 16:49.40 | Cairenn | btw, were you guys aware of this? http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 16:50.05 | cladhaire | ... |
| 16:50.26 | Cairenn | oh, keep looking, you'll really be impressed ... right Flickering? |
| 16:50.38 | Cairenn | it's a straight pull from wowwiki |
| 16:50.40 | cladhaire | its very slow |
| 16:50.42 | cladhaire | like |
| 16:50.44 | Codayus | ...that page isn't loading for me...oops, nm. |
| 16:50.45 | cladhaire | i can't even load it. |
| 16:50.49 | Codayus | It's just really really really slow. |
| 16:50.53 | Cairenn | it is |
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| 16:52.39 | Wobin_ | really really |
| 16:52.39 | Iriel | P_L_W isn't fired on reload, PLAYER_LOGOUT should be |
| 16:53.05 | Wobin_ | I would possibly use it if it didn't take a few minutes each page |
| 16:53.06 | cladhaire | Thats nice to know |
| 16:53.35 | cladhaire | Oh btw.. I know WOWI can do it too.. but if we ever want a mirror for the wiki.. i can give out shells on my host and we can toss it up there. |
| 16:54.14 | Cairenn | wowi not only *can* but very happily *will* |
| 16:54.24 | cladhaire | =) |
| 16:54.26 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 16:54.28 | Wobin_ | I would like a mirror for the wiki.... |
| 16:54.46 | Cairenn | yeah, well, that link I just posted is :p |
| 16:54.50 | cladhaire | haha |
| 16:54.54 | Iriel | A stale pull at that |
| 16:54.57 | Codayus | I could mirror it too, come to that. But I can't see why it would... |
| 16:55.08 | Cairenn | except I'm presuming it isn't with anyone's knowledge or consent |
| 16:55.40 | Iriel | If anyone does decide to mirror the wiki, make sure you do it properly, just running a normal site mirroring tool will kill it |
| 16:55.55 | Codayus | Well, they did credit the "WoWWiki crew for most of the api information". |
| 16:55.58 | Iriel | I have some scripts that mirror the API documents semi-intelligently |
| 16:56.41 | Cairenn | my objection to that site is the fact that it takes away from the actual wiki, complete with asking for donations that might otherwise go to the original |
| 16:57.14 | Iriel | Indeed, a "this information is mirrored from the wowwiki" message should be on EVERY such page |
| 16:57.20 | Codayus | Plus, I'm totally not seeing the value add of a slow and stale copy of a currently functioning wiki... |
| 16:57.26 | Cairenn | yup |
| 16:57.28 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 16:58.08 | krka | hm, what does a Button need to get clicks? |
| 16:58.25 | Cairenn | it just bugs me all over the place, on many levels, but since I'm a minor person on the actual wiki, I didn't really feel it was my place to say anything to whoever it is |
| 16:58.39 | Miravlix | Why does the wiki need a mirror? |
| 16:58.56 | Miravlix | Seems to work most of the time. |
| 16:59.01 | Codayus | Miravlix: It doesn't. |
| 16:59.11 | Iriel | krka: an OnClick handler and enable mouse is all you need IIRC |
| 16:59.13 | Codayus | Need one that is. And that mirror seems to being working much worse than the current. :-) |
| 16:59.14 | krka | doesn't need a mirror ord doesn't work? |
| 16:59.34 | krka | thanks Iriel |
| 17:00.02 | Iriel | Oh, I take back what I said about PLW and reload |
| 17:00.19 | Iriel | BOTH are fired on reload, PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD comes first and PLAYER_LOGOUT second |
| 17:00.32 | Iriel | (I'd messed up my event registration in my test earlier, sorry) |
| 17:00.48 | krka | hm... what am i doing wrong |
| 17:01.27 | Miravlix | We should make a embeded library for spellbook and inventory scanning |
| 17:01.41 | Miravlix | 1 scan that everyone use should clean things up |
| 17:01.44 | krka | why embedded? |
| 17:02.15 | krka | i could make mine embedded, but it would be a lot of code to embed, i think |
| 17:02.30 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.30 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.30 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.31 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.31 | Wobin_ | Ah, so we must make it smaller and better! =) |
| 17:02.34 | krka | what am i missing herE? |
| 17:02.36 | Wobin_ | (I wish) |
| 17:03.09 | Iriel | So you're seeing the button show up but it doesnt' click? |
| 17:03.18 | Iriel | Are you sure hideSettings is present and working? |
| 17:03.26 | krka | yes |
| 17:03.30 | Wobin_ | =\ |
| 17:03.37 | Wobin_ | Healcap is no good on a priest... |
| 17:03.41 | Wobin_ | It needs to be on the tank |
| 17:05.01 | krka | hideButton is created as a button btw |
| 17:05.43 | wereHamster | Miravlix, lots of people came up with this idea.. and each made his own library :-/ |
| 17:05.53 | Iriel | krka: That works perfectly for me |
| 17:05.59 | Iriel | krka: I just typed it all via /script |
| 17:06.06 | krka | hm |
| 17:06.12 | Iriel | krka: You dont even need RegisterForClicks("LeftButton") |
| 17:06.33 | Iriel | krka: do /dump hideButton:GetScript("OnClick") |
| 17:06.35 | krka | i have something under it that steals OnMouseDown ... could that be a problem? |
| 17:06.55 | Iriel | Something under it, no. If you have something OVER it with mouse enabled that would be a problem |
| 17:07.45 | krka | dump says function |
| 17:08.38 | krka | ooh... got it to work |
| 17:08.47 | krka | my mistake, it _was_ under something |
| 17:08.51 | krka | i had given it the wrong parent |
| 17:09.12 | Ktron | http://www.philohome.com/gbc/lw05/gbcloop1c230.avi |
| 17:09.39 | Miravlix | wereHamster, Yes, thats why I said we should do it together to get it globaly accepted, we should carry enough weight to make it universially accepted. |
| 17:11.48 | krka | exactly what do you want this library to do? |
| 17:13.19 | Miravlix | libraries. One that makes a copy of the spellbook, one a copy of the inventory. |
| 17:13.50 | Miravlix | So we don't have multiple addons all doing there own tooltip scan |
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| 17:15.04 | krka | makes a copy? |
| 17:16.08 | Iriel | How handy would you folks find a function that displays a list of all of the frames under the cursor in stacking order? |
| 17:17.03 | Tain | Would be good for troubleshooting problems. |
| 17:17.10 | krka | agreed |
| 17:17.16 | Iriel | Ok, i'll add one to devtools |
| 17:17.25 | Iriel | I'll put in whether each one is mouse enabled too |
| 17:19.14 | Iriel | Hm, maybe I can't do that actually |
| 17:19.20 | Iriel | I dont see an IsMouseEnabled function |
| 17:21.11 | Tain | New computer makes Oblivion look like a whole new game, it's like a brand new experience. |
| 17:22.30 | zeeg | hey |
| 17:22.31 | zeeg | http://www.warcraftcinema.com/00220060407000008/Wowtrix.movie |
| 17:22.39 | zeeg | anyone have any idea how they're streaming that |
| 17:23.09 | zeeg | the flash player itself that is |
| 17:23.30 | Iriel | Tain: heh, how does it look compared to the xbox360 version? |
| 17:23.59 | Iriel | Speaking of oblivion (somewhat indirectly) does anyone have an HD plasma or lcd tv >= about 40"? |
| 17:24.47 | Tain | I haven't seen it on the XBox yet. I'm going to buy a 40" (ish) HD when I find my new apartment though. |
| 17:24.59 | Tain | I figure no reason to buy it now, I'll just wait until I move again. |
| 17:25.54 | Iriel | I spent about 3 hours yesterday driving between stores to look at the things, and then once I got home and spent some more time online changed my mind entirely on what I wanted to get 8-( |
| 17:27.32 | Tain | It's tough. I've been trying to do research myself, there's a lot of good information on avsforum.com forums, but a lot of wading through posts to do. |
| 17:28.36 | krka | after a reload (or a normal login for that matter), after which event is savedvariables loaded? |
| 17:31.23 | Iriel | It's not loaded AFTER any event |
| 17:31.31 | wereHamster | argh.. I so hate flash |
| 17:31.36 | Iriel | it's loaded between your code executing and ADDON_LOADED firing |
| 17:32.41 | krka | ah sorry, meant before |
| 17:33.44 | Iriel | Tain: At present i've been looking at a Panasonic plama monitor (one of the business ones, no audio, but well reviewed for its picture.. But when I was out looking around the sharp LCD's were purty, (un)forunately sharp's in the middle of discontinuing all their existing LCD's and replacing them with a new set of models next month |
| 17:35.25 | krka | hmm... do we have full api access to EditBox? |
| 17:35.34 | Iriel | We're getting there |
| 17:35.47 | Iriel | though editing the selection is still a bitch |
| 17:35.52 | krka | stuff like SetMultiLine? |
| 17:37.46 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343889&p=1&tmp=1#post343889 |
| 17:37.47 | Iriel | 1.11 |
| 17:38.03 | Tain | Iriel: I really like The 42" Panasonic LCD 42PX60U. That's what I'm leaning towards right now. |
| 17:38.10 | sweede2 | anyone know what this means, "DEP_NOT_DEMAND_LOADED" . i have a load on demand addon that i test to see if you are a raid officer and if you are, it loads it during another addons OnLoad event |
| 17:38.23 | Tain | err that's a Plasma, not LCD. |
| 17:38.28 | Tain | Confused my fingers for a second. |
| 17:38.29 | Iriel | I looked at the 50" TH50PX60U, it was quite nice |
| 17:38.51 | Iriel | swwde: it means it's an addon with a non-load-on-demand dependency that isn't loaded |
| 17:39.09 | Iriel | sweede2 : The dependency needs to be enabled, OR load on demand |
| 17:39.12 | sweede2 | hmm.. |
| 17:39.36 | krka | doh... have to wait for 1.11 for my editbox features then |
| 17:40.19 | sweede2 | iriel, both of the deps are enabled. one of the dependancies is the library addon thats asking to load the addon that i'm getting that message from. |
| 17:41.03 | Iriel | I'm assuming you're getting the error when you load your addon? |
| 17:41.21 | sweede2 | ya, addon A is the library addon. Addon B is the load on demand addon that requires A. |
| 17:41.38 | sweede2 | in the onLoad in A, i do a LoadAddOn(b), and it throws that error |
| 17:42.09 | sweede2 | however, i also load the addon during an onevent (becuase it should turn on when you're a raid officer in a raid), and off when you leave the raid. |
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| 17:42.19 | sweede2 | but i noticed that if you reload the UI while in a raid, it doesnt reload the addon. |
| 17:42.41 | Iriel | Hm so maybe you need to do LoadAddOn(b) in A's ADDON_LOADED handler? |
| 17:42.56 | Iriel | It could be because A hasn't finished loading when you try loading b, but you made A a dependency of b |
| 17:43.01 | sweede2 | ah.. |
| 17:43.17 | sweede2 | so an event == "ADDON_LOADED" then load B |
| 17:43.38 | Iriel | in A you would want if (event == "ADDON_LOADED" and arg1 == "A") |
| 17:43.50 | Iriel | Or you could put a LoadWith header in b's toc |
| 17:45.29 | krka | hm.. i wonder if i can get a performance boost by replacing some string constants with locals |
| 17:45.39 | krka | local emptyString = "" for example |
| 17:46.52 | Iriel | No |
| 17:46.54 | krka | hmm.. only difference is LOADK instead of GETUPVAL |
| 17:48.20 | sweede2 | ok, so i put in an if(event blah blah and arg1 = "addon") , but it still gives the DEP_NOT_DEMAND_LOADED message :( |
| 17:48.30 | sweede2 | so my other option is LoadWith IDKP_Library ? |
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| 17:51.32 | sweede2 | Iriel, it still not working :( |
| 17:51.44 | sweede2 | http://pastebin.com/649835 |
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| 17:52.00 | sweede2 | jsut the onevent onload and the load methods |
| 17:52.07 | sweede2 | pleaaaaaase :) |
| 17:52.29 | krka | my tests show that LOADK is faster than GETUPVAL |
| 17:52.30 | krka | how annoying |
| 17:52.37 | krka | very marginal difference though |
| 17:53.35 | wereHamster | loadk? |
| 17:54.09 | krka | lua bytecode for loading a string |
| 17:57.29 | Iriel | loadk should be faster |
| 17:59.14 | Iriel | I'm really not sure why you'd expect GETUPVAL to be better? |
| 17:59.40 | Iriel | sweede2 : I dont see anything wrong there, can you /dump LoadAddOn("IDKP_Bot") AFTER your library is loaded without an error? |
| 17:59.50 | Iriel | (Assuming you have DevTools installed) |
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| 18:00.21 | sweede2 | is /dump a normal command ? |
| 18:01.38 | Iriel | No, it's part of DevTools |
| 18:01.47 | Iriel | But every addon developer should have DevTools installed 8-) |
| 18:01.59 | Iriel | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 18:02.07 | sweede2 | hehe |
| 18:03.03 | sweede2 | should i keep the dkpb bot from loading before i restart wow ? |
| 18:05.14 | sweede2 | just says devtools :value= loadaddon(dkpbot) |
| 18:05.17 | sweede2 | [1] =1 |
| 18:05.30 | Iriel | That means it loaded fine afterwards |
| 18:05.39 | Iriel | Hm, maybe you'll have to do an OnUpdate trick to load your addon properly |
| 18:06.00 | sweede2 | the problem i was having was after a reloadui... so let me do that. |
| 18:09.07 | sweede2 | if i use an OnUpdate , wouldnt that consume a lot of resources? i did include code to prevent (during the OnEvent) the Load addon code to be called a number of times |
| 18:09.13 | sweede2 | but that's also a lot of if checking |
| 18:09.44 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.45 | Iriel | Well, all you do is set up an OnUpdate handler to run once after you're done loading |
| 18:10.53 | Iriel | And then have it disable itself immediately after |
| 18:13.02 | sweede2 | :| <<-- blank stare face. |
| 18:13.05 | sweede2 | heh |
| 18:13.09 | sweede2 | got an example :) |
| 18:13.22 | Iriel | in your ADDON_LOADED: |
| 18:13.52 | Iriel | myFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() LoadAddonB() end) |
| 18:13.55 | Iriel | myFrame:Show() |
| 18:14.01 | Iriel | oops, sorry, missed something |
| 18:14.21 | Iriel | myFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() this:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) LoadAddonB() end) |
| 18:14.33 | Iriel | Replace LoadAddonB() with whatever you need in there |
| 18:14.40 | Iriel | you can do myFrame:Hide() in the OnUpdate too if you need it |
| 18:18.12 | sweede2 | ok.. so now i'm not getting that ON DEP text.. but it seems that the addon im trying to load on demand, the OnLoad() isnt being ran.. |
| 18:19.07 | krka | Iriel, can you make DevTools_Dump handle other things than tables? |
| 18:20.15 | Iriel | krka: Like what? |
| 18:20.54 | Iriel | sweede2; Put some debug statements in to make sure that the OnUpdate is actually getting called |
| 18:21.04 | Iriel | sweede2: The frame you stick the OnUpdate handler on MUST be visible |
| 18:21.18 | Iriel | sweede2: In the sense that IsVisible() returns true for it |
| 18:22.03 | Iriel | krka: You mean like scalar values? |
| 18:22.26 | sweede2 | if i do /dump IDKP_Library:IsVisible(), i get a 1, so i assume that its visible. |
| 18:22.33 | krka | yes Iriel |
| 18:22.42 | krka | whoa... dreamweave gloves for 4G at AH |
| 18:22.46 | krka | 4G _buyout_ |
| 18:23.12 | sweede2 | i have, |
| 18:23.14 | sweede2 | IDKP_Library:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() this:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) IDKP_LoadAddOn("IDKP_Auctioneer"); IDKP_msg("hello") end) |
| 18:23.25 | sweede2 | and i see hello in teh chat. |
| 18:23.32 | Iriel | krka: It does |
| 18:23.49 | krka | maybe my version is old :) |
| 18:23.52 | Iriel | sweede2: Hm, try one more link then |
| 18:24.08 | krka | no wait.. it did |
| 18:24.13 | krka | why didn't i even try it? O_o |
| 18:24.23 | krka | must have been a habit to surround with {} |
| 18:24.31 | Iriel | sweede2: put local updCount = 1; before the SetScript line |
| 18:24.49 | Iriel | sweede2: And in the function add: if (updCount > 0) then updCount = updCount - 1; return; end |
| 18:24.54 | Iriel | Before the LoadAddOn call |
| 18:24.58 | wereHamster | what is the default font? A font I could use in :SetFont() |
| 18:25.10 | Iriel | wereHamster : Use SetFontObject(GameFontNormal) |
| 18:25.18 | Iriel | or SetFontObject(GameFontNormalSmall) |
| 18:25.27 | sweede2 | i think that its just not actually calling the OnLoad of the addon that its loading. |
| 18:25.51 | wereHamster | thanks |
| 18:28.01 | sweede2 | do i need ## LoadWith: IDKP_Library in the loadon demand addon ? |
| 18:29.20 | Iriel | sweede2: That would take care of the problem in a different way, yes |
| 18:29.33 | Iriel | sweede2: BUT, that will cause the LOD addon to ALWAYS load with the library |
| 18:29.42 | sweede2 | oh.. well that didnt work.. i think i got something messed up. |
| 18:29.45 | Iriel | sweede2: And i'm not sure that's what you want |
| 18:30.28 | Iriel | sweede2: Put DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Hello i'm an addon") in the top of IDKP_Auctioneer's .lua code |
| 18:30.36 | Iriel | sweede2: **NOT** inside an <OnLoad> block |
| 18:31.15 | sweede2 | that worked. |
| 18:31.33 | sweede2 | let me type out what these addons do, and then you'll have an idea of what im trying to do. |
| 18:32.27 | sweede2 | its a set of 4 addons that are part of my guilds DKP bidding system. Its parts of the DKP_System addon and Nurfed DKP. There are two addOns that i don't want loaded unless a specific file is found and loaded (which i have). Then i have one addon that loads if the previously mentioned file has been found AND you are in a raid AND you are either A or L. |
| 18:32.52 | sweede2 | when you login and you are not in a raid, the Auctioneer addon wont load. When you join a raid and are given an A or L, then it loads. |
| 18:32.59 | sweede2 | and when you exit the raid, it unloads. |
| 18:33.13 | sweede2 | All of that worked without issues, except when you did a reloadui |
| 18:33.45 | sweede2 | however, after a reloadui , you can "force" it to load again by doing something that called RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 18:35.16 | Iriel | Well, if the OnUpdate trick works, then i'd stick with that. |
| 18:35.25 | sweede2 | it didnt. |
| 18:35.25 | Iriel | I can see why it doesn't work without it |
| 18:35.28 | Iriel | Oh |
| 18:35.29 | Iriel | Hm. |
| 18:35.34 | Iriel | I'll have to try some tests myself |
| 18:35.39 | sweede2 | want the addons :) |
| 18:35.47 | sweede2 | cvs ftw btw |
| 18:35.59 | Iriel | No, i'll make some tiny test ones |
| 18:36.05 | Iriel | easier to debug that way |
| 18:36.23 | Iriel | And yes, CVS is pretty nifty, though i've been transitioning to SVN of late |
| 18:36.52 | sweede2 | i like cvs soley becuase of WinCVS |
| 18:40.52 | Iriel | Ah, TortoiseSVN will make you rethink that 8-) |
| 18:41.01 | Wobin_ | TortoiseSVN rawks |
| 18:41.09 | Iriel | it's got impressive windows integratio |
| 18:41.12 | Iriel | +n |
| 18:41.13 | Wobin_ | Such a easy to use system |
| 18:41.24 | Wobin_ | Even I've had no issues understanding it all =) |
| 18:41.36 | Wobin_ | It has mouseover tooltips explaining everything |
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| 18:43.12 | Iriel | Ok, preference question for you guys |
| 18:43.33 | Iriel | I've got my script popping up a little window listing the strata under the mouse |
| 18:43.39 | Iriel | and the windows in each |
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| 18:43.52 | Iriel | Would you want it to be top to bottom, or bottom to top ? |
| 18:43.57 | Iriel | i.e. does WorldFrame come first or last? |
| 18:43.58 | cladhaire | top to bottom imo |
| 18:44.10 | Iriel | cladhaire : So WorldFrame is last? |
| 18:44.20 | cladhaire | yes, it makes the most sense to me. |
| 18:44.34 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 18:44.34 | Iriel | ok, that's how it'll be |
| 18:45.46 | Cide | I agree, that would be more intuitive |
| 18:47.44 | sweede2 | a non questiona bout my problem above. |
| 18:47.58 | sweede2 | anyone know a good read on how the new dynamic frame system works > |
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| 18:53.04 | Iriel | sweede2: Not really, other than the 1.10 change summary |
| 18:54.20 | sweede2 | ya, so when i add event== addonloaded, and all that jaz, load up my LoadOnDemand Addon, the OnLoad event in that addon isnt being executed. |
| 18:54.28 | sweede2 | AFTER a reloadui |
| 18:55.28 | sweede2 | if i exit the game completly and log back in, it works how it should. |
| 18:55.54 | wereHamster | does anyone see what is wrong with this frame-creating function: http://pastebin.com/649968 ? |
| 18:56.35 | sweede2 | i wonder if its my bit of code that prevents the addOn from being executed every event that fires dor a raid_roster_update... |
| 19:01.10 | Iriel | wereHamster : Do you need to :Show() the texture? |
| 19:01.37 | Iriel | wereHamster : I'm not actually sure it if it's necessary since the code i'm using dynamic font strings in does an explicit Show for other reasons |
| 19:03.59 | wereHamster | Iriel, It creates the frame, but I don't see it. |
| 19:04.25 | wereHamster | and /dump shows the correct frame object.. |
| 19:06.30 | wereHamster | a :Show() on the whole frame should also show all sub-frames, right? |
| 19:06.39 | Iriel | All frames that are :Show()'n |
| 19:07.00 | Iriel | :Show() and Hide() control whether the frame would be visible IF its parent was visible |
| 19:07.06 | wereHamster | ah. |
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| 19:11.02 | sweede2 | is there a event or something that fires when you do a reload ui as opposed to logging out and logging in ? |
| 19:11.38 | Iriel | not really |
| 19:11.54 | Iriel | there are some differences in terms of what things are set at the time |
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| 19:12.28 | sweede2 | when i log out and log back in, the table i have that stores the name of the addon that is loaded, is lost. |
| 19:12.59 | sweede2 | but when i reloadui, that table is still there correct ? |
| 19:15.18 | Kirkburn | Shouldn't that be something for you to test? |
| 19:16.48 | sweede2 | if the table doesnt exist, then i make an empty table ={}. when the load method is called and not nil, it does a for _,name over the table and if AddOnName is in that table, it skips loading the addon. |
| 19:17.12 | sweede2 | i think i might need to change the way i check that. |
| 19:18.08 | sweede2 | loaded = IsAddOnLoaded(index or "name") |
| 19:18.12 | sweede2 | ya, reading ftw |
| 19:19.22 | wereHamster | Iriel, I guess the frame needs a parent |
| 19:20.07 | Iriel | wereHamster : Perhaps, i'm not sure though whether non-parented frames would show up somewhere |
| 19:20.57 | wereHamster | at least now :IsVisible() returns 1 |
| 19:21.42 | wereHamster | but I still don't see the frames :( |
| 19:23.11 | Iriel | wereHamster: Check GetCenter() |
| 19:23.18 | Iriel | wereHamster : Make sure it knows where it is |
| 19:24.48 | sweede2 | can you unload an addon after its loaded ? |
| 19:25.24 | Iriel | No |
| 19:25.39 | sweede2 | well, thats not fun. |
| 19:26.43 | wereHamster | GetCenter() returns 359 |
| 19:27.33 | Iriel | It should return 2 values |
| 19:27.35 | Iriel | did you use /dump ? |
| 19:27.44 | wereHamster | no.. mom |
| 19:28.15 | wereHamster | returns only one value |
| 19:28.27 | Iriel | Sounds like you're missing an anchor in the other diretcion perhaps? |
| 19:28.29 | Iriel | Where do you anchor it? |
| 19:28.54 | Osagasu | nah, Iriel is uncle |
| 19:29.01 | Osagasu | Cair is mum. :P |
| 19:29.16 | wereHamster | buttonFrame:ClearAllPoints(); buttonFrame:SetPoint("TOP", frameParent, "BOTTOM", 0, 0) |
| 19:29.31 | Iriel | What about LEFT or RIGHT? |
| 19:29.48 | Iriel | Actually, let me ask a different question |
| 19:30.01 | Iriel | what does /dump frameParent:GetCenter() yield ? |
| 19:30.22 | wereHamster | the very same anchoring code works with a frame that was creates in the xml file.. |
| 19:30.43 | Iriel | Same parent? |
| 19:31.05 | wereHamster | parent is at 359/611 |
| 19:31.20 | Iriel | Hm, how very odd. |
| 19:32.18 | Iriel | Oh, you dont appear to set width or height on your button |
| 19:32.26 | Iriel | Did I just miss that line? |
| 19:32.26 | wereHamster | testing right now :) |
| 19:32.42 | wereHamster | yes, that was it |
| 19:34.07 | wereHamster | there's so much you have to take care of when creating frames in lua.. :) |
| 19:35.33 | _B | What does LUA have to do with it |
| 19:35.40 | _B | It's just how Blizzard implemented UI |
| 19:35.58 | Iriel | _B Because if you create them via XML it takes care of a lot of defaults |
| 19:36.16 | Iriel | _B or fails if you forget to specify something, with an error |
| 19:38.47 | wereHamster | now it works.. except it doesn't show the backdrop.. |
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| 19:42.14 | Shouryuu | rawr boo moo woof purr and so forth |
| 19:45.41 | wereHamster | Iriel, do you know if I have to do something special to make textures and backdrops appear? |
| 19:45.58 | Iriel | wereHamster : When I did a backdrop it just worked |
| 19:46.17 | Iriel | wereHamster : You may have to :Show() textures, I dont know what state they default to (You can test that pretty easily with /dump) |
| 19:46.25 | Iriel | wereHamster : And of course, textures need to be anchored |
| 19:47.14 | wereHamster | I create texture, set size, set texture, show, clear all points and anchor it |
| 19:59.18 | wereHamster | argh !!! you have to escape '\' in lua strings.. :-P |
| 19:59.24 | Iriel | Yes |
| 19:59.29 | Iriel | RTLM 8-) |
| 20:00.46 | Shouryuu | humm what addon could I use to help me make money? |
| 20:00.56 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 20:00.59 | zenzelezz | auctioneer |
| 20:01.03 | Iriel | Auctioneer? |
| 20:01.09 | ckknight | or Kc_items |
| 20:01.13 | wereHamster | ChineseFarmerBot v2.0 |
| 20:01.15 | ckknight | or write your own, that's what I did |
| 20:01.18 | ckknight | lol, wereHamster |
| 20:01.21 | Shouryuu | does that eat a lot of memory? |
| 20:01.49 | zenzelezz | I've had a few friends who spent their time in the AH buying items and reselling for more. Not sure what exactly the details were, but they said they used auctioneer |
| 20:01.54 | Shouryuu | I'm kinda in singapore, on an old computer, so I don't want any extra ping |
| 20:01.55 | wereHamster | no.. and you don't even have to sit in front of the computer ;) |
| 20:06.29 | Ktron | zenzelezz, there's programs that help you identify 'cheap' items |
| 20:06.57 | Ktron | zenzelezz, and there's definitely programs that identify items in the AH that's bid/buyout are lower than their vendor prices |
| 20:07.18 | AnduinLothar | yay: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3749 |
| 20:07.33 | AnduinLothar | never got around to finnishing mine.. |
| 20:10.01 | AnduinLothar | actually, it might even work with mine.. |
| 20:10.04 | AnduinLothar | no conflicting options |
| 20:14.09 | Kirkburn | I'm confused ... surely that means they're different? |
| 20:14.31 | Elkano | Anduin? with the latest Archaeologist, my traget frame vanished again :/ had to take out the repositioning code... but I stil can't see why this is happening :/ (I'm using Gypsy and FuBar which also reposition the target frame) |
| 20:15.37 | Kemayo | Anyone know what you have to hook to get at the tooltips in the loot frame? |
| 20:16.48 | Elkano | GameTooltip.SetLootItem |
| 20:17.23 | Elkano | that's what I hook to add the value to the tooltip |
| 20:17.49 | AnduinLothar | they are different. Mine adds Archaeologist options and text displays and allows you to hide the borders. his allows for remembering location and scale and easier settings |
| 20:18.07 | AnduinLothar | but i was going to add those options, just hadn't gotten around to it |
| 20:18.56 | AnduinLothar | gypsy isn't very smart, it always breaks arch |
| 20:19.30 | Elkano | no that wasn't my point :) in Archaeologist, you have the function Archaeologist_UpdateTargetLocation repositioning the targetframe in case you added sth |
| 20:19.32 | AnduinLothar | by guess is one of them doesn't bother to clearallpoints before moving it and neither bother to check if it's IsUserPlaced |
| 20:20.05 | Elkano | hmm, maybe it's that way :/ |
| 20:20.46 | AnduinLothar | if you set it with MobileFrames it wont move |
| 20:21.43 | Kemayo | Thanks Elkano. |
| 20:22.34 | Elkano | well, for now I simply put a --[[ ]] around the code in your function what solves the 'problem' at least for my needs :) |
| 20:22.50 | AnduinLothar | odd... it wont let me replace Blizzard_RaidUI with my own version now.. |
| 20:23.03 | AnduinLothar | worked fine 1.9 |
| 20:23.10 | AnduinLothar | now it renames the folder Blizzard_RaidUI.old |
| 20:24.49 | Elkano | wasn't there a way to name an other addon which is loaded instead of the default implementation by Blizzard? |
| 20:25.09 | AnduinLothar | used to be you just replaced it |
| 20:25.42 | Elkano | there was some way by hooking/replacing a function afair |
| 20:26.00 | AnduinLothar | there is, but that's more complicated |
| 20:26.45 | Elkano | well, but it seems that 1.10's unmodifiable files force you to use it :/ |
| 20:26.54 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 20:27.23 | Iriel | If you're REPLACING the blizzard one, you dont exactly need to HOOk the function, you can just replace it |
| 20:27.31 | AnduinLothar | wont let me |
| 20:27.38 | AnduinLothar | renames the folder .old |
| 20:27.41 | Tem | AnduinLothar: "You are no longer able to modify the Blizzard XML and Lua files." |
| 20:27.55 | Iriel | No, I mean, you replace the blizzard load function with your own |
| 20:27.58 | Tem | it's not just FrameXML that that applies to |
| 20:27.59 | AnduinLothar | didn't think it meant the addons.. |
| 20:28.18 | AnduinLothar | ok, so what's the load function called |
| 20:28.26 | AnduinLothar | for Blizzard_RaidUI |
| 20:28.31 | Tem | look in UIParent.lua |
| 20:28.31 | Iriel | RaidFrame_LoadUI |
| 20:28.33 | Iriel | I think |
| 20:29.02 | Iriel | yup, that's the one |
| 20:29.25 | AnduinLothar | replace hook and load my addon? |
| 20:29.37 | Kirkburn | Btw, if I use CTRA, is the Blizz RaidUI supposed to still load? |
| 20:30.08 | Tem | yes |
| 20:30.13 | AnduinLothar | CT_RA_oldRaidFrame_LoadUI = RaidFrame_LoadUI; |
| 20:30.13 | AnduinLothar | function RaidFrame_LoadUI() |
| 20:30.13 | AnduinLothar | CT_RA_oldRaidFrame_LoadUI(); |
| 20:30.13 | AnduinLothar | RaidFrameDropDown_Initialize = CT_RATab_newRaidFrameDropDown_Initialize; |
| 20:30.13 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 20:30.33 | Iriel | That's ugly 8-) |
| 20:30.39 | AnduinLothar | that's ct |
| 20:31.51 | AnduinLothar | but there's no way to make my replacement dynamic without a stub |
| 20:31.58 | AnduinLothar | sad |
| 20:32.03 | Kirkburn | I was confused, because I used Warmup last night. I noticed all the Blizz LoD addons loaded on startup (MobileFrames?) then later ct loaded, and then later still the Blizz RaidUI. Which confused me :) |
| 20:32.34 | Kirkburn | The both took about 10 meg of memory so, which surprised me. |
| 20:33.29 | Kirkburn | (When taking a boat, I've barely finished loading the ui by the time to boat leaves the *other* port!) |
| 20:33.52 | sweede2 | ya, that sucks... |
| 20:33.55 | AnduinLothar | that's typical |
| 20:34.01 | sweede2 | i blame ct raid and discord action bars |
| 20:34.46 | Kirkburn | It only started being that bad recently though. I used to be able to see myself pull into the port. I disabled Discord and Gatherer ... got no change |
| 20:35.12 | Kirkburn | I'll have to try it without ctra next time |
| 20:35.27 | Cide | that's weird |
| 20:35.34 | Kirkburn | Heya |
| 20:35.48 | Cide | I should change that :) |
| 20:36.07 | sweede2 | according to warmup, ct raid takes 6-10 megs of memory and anywhere from 8-12 seconds of load time |
| 20:36.36 | Kirkburn | Wow, that's a bit longer than my time (1.5secs for ctra), but similar memory usage |
| 20:36.52 | sweede2 | thats full raid group btw |
| 20:36.59 | Kirkburn | Ah# |
| 20:37.20 | Cide | that's likely due to the event management that's widely discussed on the forums |
| 20:37.25 | sweede2 | ya |
| 20:37.30 | Kirkburn | Easily changed then :) |
| 20:37.31 | Cide | which is fixed in the next version |
| 20:37.34 | Iriel | Ok, so i'm updating DevTools.. |
| 20:37.39 | sweede2 | woot! |
| 20:37.40 | Kirkburn | Cool Cide :D |
| 20:37.43 | Iriel | I've added /dtchatevent buffer, i've made it wrap long lines, escape newlines |
| 20:37.48 | sweede2 | what version number should we be looking for ? |
| 20:37.48 | Iriel | I've added /dtframestack |
| 20:37.50 | Cide | hm |
| 20:37.53 | Iriel | what else did I promise people? |
| 20:37.59 | Kirkburn | Cookies? |
| 20:38.02 | AnduinLothar | the world? |
| 20:38.02 | sweede2 | the world ? |
| 20:38.06 | Iriel | That's just slouken |
| 20:38.07 | sweede2 | to slow :( |
| 20:38.09 | Iriel | (who gets cookies) |
| 20:38.15 | Kirkburn | <-- sad |
| 20:38.23 | Elkano | when talkin about warmup: any idea why for me, warmap loads last even though it's name !!warmup? |
| 20:38.26 | AnduinLothar | a Fire gui? |
| 20:38.33 | Kirkburn | Elkano, what makes you say that? |
| 20:38.38 | Cide | Iriel: what about displaying spaces |
| 20:38.41 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : A gui's still in the works someday when I have the time 8-) |
| 20:38.46 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 20:38.50 | Iriel | Cide: You mean making them really obvious? |
| 20:39.02 | Cide | as in, it's impossible to tell if there's a space or not right before a line wrap |
| 20:39.22 | Iriel | Cide: I did the wrapping in my code, so it is 8-) |
| 20:39.40 | Cide | as long as it's possible to tell, I'm happy :) |
| 20:39.49 | Iriel | Cide: But it is hard to tell between 1 or 2 spaces |
| 20:39.58 | Cide | yeah, I've noticed that too |
| 20:41.25 | AnduinLothar | iriel, do you by any chance use eclipse with the lua plugi? |
| 20:41.36 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Nope, emacs + lua-mode |
| 20:41.45 | sweede2 | ... |
| 20:41.53 | Kirkburn | Elkano? How do you know it loads last? Surely it wouldn't report anything? |
| 20:41.58 | Elkano | Kirkburn, how do you mean that "what makes you say that?"? warmup is written to show load times and memory usage on login and thus warns you aboiut all plugins that have loaded before it. normaly WoW should load by name (and deps). |
| 20:41.59 | sweede2 | i had repsect for you, until you said emacs... |
| 20:42.00 | krka | me too Iriel! |
| 20:42.02 | AnduinLothar | i can't figure out how to install the plugin |
| 20:42.07 | krka | we are emacs-luamode-buddies |
| 20:42.08 | sweede2 | nano for life !!! |
| 20:42.29 | Iriel | sweede2 That's just because you dont 'get it' 8-) |
| 20:42.35 | sweede2 | hehe |
| 20:42.42 | sweede2 | look at the good side, i dont use vim :) |
| 20:42.49 | Kirkburn | Elkano ... using Windows? |
| 20:42.53 | Elkano | yes |
| 20:43.27 | Kirkburn | Well, that's odd. XP? |
| 20:43.45 | Cide | it would be nice to see full tables somehow :) |
| 20:43.48 | Kirkburn | (not that that should make a difference) |
| 20:44.01 | Iriel | Cide; That's the gui thing I alluded to earlier |
| 20:44.05 | Iriel | Cide: Not today, however 8-) |
| 20:44.06 | Elkano | yes |
| 20:44.15 | Iriel | Ok, Cide, how does this strike you |
| 20:44.25 | Iriel | "Hello<6 spaces>there<2 spaces>Iriel." |
| 20:44.31 | Iriel | If the <6 spaces> is in another color? |
| 20:44.41 | Iriel | single spaces are of course just a space |
| 20:44.46 | Cide | as in, type out "<6 spaces>" as a string? |
| 20:44.47 | Kirkburn | When you open the Addons folder, does it appear first? |
| 20:44.57 | sweede2 | why not have - as another color signify spaces ? |
| 20:45.12 | Iriel | Cide: yes |
| 20:45.12 | Elkano | sorted by name, it does |
| 20:45.17 | sweede2 | foo-bar--is---greater----than-----quux! |
| 20:45.21 | Iriel | sweede2 : I could do that as long sa they're countable |
| 20:45.32 | sweede2 | that or . |
| 20:45.33 | Cide | # is easily countable |
| 20:45.37 | Iriel | I was going to use _'s |
| 20:45.37 | sweede2 | . would probably be the best |
| 20:45.48 | Iriel | they're actually not too bad |
| 20:45.48 | Cide | but readability might suffer with # |
| 20:45.53 | AnduinLothar | what does LoadAddOn do if it's already loaded? |
| 20:45.56 | sweede2 | _ is to hard to tell how many they are depending on the font |
| 20:46.03 | Iriel | I'll alternate |
| 20:46.05 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.06 | Iriel | easy then |
| 20:46.12 | sweede2 | na, . |
| 20:46.17 | sweede2 | foo..bar...ohno!! |
| 20:46.21 | sweede2 | ftw |
| 20:46.25 | sweede2 | ^^^ |
| 20:46.55 | Cide | I'd rather use underscores, . is too small to be easily identified as colored or not |
| 20:47.04 | Cide | and also more commonly used in strings :) |
| 20:47.08 | sweede2 | eh |
| 20:47.15 | sweede2 | better than # !! |
| 20:47.30 | Cide | I think # would be nice, but like I said, readability might suffer |
| 20:47.50 | Cide | hello#there,#how#are#you#today? |
| 20:47.59 | Cide | hello_there,_how_are_you_today? |
| 20:47.59 | AnduinLothar | drnk |
| 20:48.15 | sweede2 | + ? |
| 20:48.16 | AnduinLothar | what happens if it uses underscores? |
| 20:48.21 | Cide | well, it would use a normal space in case of one space, I guess |
| 20:48.37 | Kirkburn | Elkano, I'm stumped. I have no idea. An addon with two !! and no dependencies should be loaded first :S |
| 20:48.42 | Iriel | spaced underscores kinda suck, i'll try plain underscores |
| 20:48.53 | Iriel | There **IS NO GUARANTEE OF LOAD ORDER WITHOUT DEPENDENCIES** |
| 20:49.03 | AnduinLothar | use a colored * for every other space |
| 20:49.41 | Kirkburn | OKay, okay. But it should normally do it that way |
| 20:49.41 | Cide | make the color pink for extra emphasis |
| 20:49.55 | Iriel | I'm making it grey |
| 20:49.58 | Kirkburn | I know it's not guaranteed. |
| 20:50.14 | Iriel | _'s are quite countable |
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| 20:57.11 | Kirkburn | Why are there so few pointy hats for casters? :( |
| 20:57.45 | ckknight | yes, there should be more point hats |
| 20:57.49 | ckknight | blue ones |
| 20:57.51 | ckknight | with white stars |
| 20:59.10 | Kirkburn | With 'Wizzard' on them |
| 20:59.28 | Iriel | Didn't it have a typo |
| 20:59.32 | Iriel | I can't remember well enough |
| 20:59.42 | Ktron | The new epic caster hat looks like that |
| 21:00.27 | Kirkburn | Iriel, I'm talking Discworld. What are you talking about? |
| 21:00.32 | Kirkburn | Ktron, linky linky? |
| 21:00.34 | Iriel | Discworld too |
| 21:00.39 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 21:00.52 | Iriel | I just remember it having the wrong number of z's or an incorrect vowel, but it's entirely possible I'm misremembering |
| 21:00.54 | Ktron | 'Wizzard' is a typo |
| 21:01.00 | Iriel | Oh, doh |
| 21:01.03 | Kirkburn | Yeah, er, what Ktron said |
| 21:01.21 | Kirkburn | hehe |
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| 21:03.11 | Iriel | Okay, i've uploaded DevTools-1.0pre2-11000.zip |
| 21:03.28 | Iriel | It does require a logout/login to work properly |
| 21:03.46 | Iriel | But I THINK the existing features all work without that |
| 21:03.57 | Iriel | You'll just be missing /dtframestack |
| 21:05.23 | AnduinLothar | swwet 375 errors.. |
| 21:05.33 | AnduinLothar | impressive.. |
| 21:06.21 | AnduinLothar | broke ief... can't sellect anything |
| 21:07.02 | Kirkburn | now that's ironic |
| 21:07.49 | Kirkburn | Oh btw, Hogfather will be on Uk Sky One this christmas :) |
| 21:08.03 | Kirkburn | A proper TV version |
| 21:09.50 | AnduinLothar | hmm, can't sellect anythign even with 1 error.. must be a bug |
| 21:12.29 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=2478 |
| 21:12.35 | Iriel | That's what /dtframestack looks like |
| 21:12.38 | Iriel | for anyone who cares |
| 21:13.26 | Iriel | Obviously it looks crisper than that in reality 8-) |
| 21:14.39 | Elkano | nice :) |
| 21:16.13 | AnduinLothar | else |
| 21:16.13 | AnduinLothar | --Super Error! Blow Up! BOOM! |
| 21:16.21 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 21:17.40 | Iriel | Hm, a stealthy explosion |
| 21:18.00 | AnduinLothar | entertaining myself with old code |
| 21:19.09 | Ktron | AnduinLothar, I think my favorite lua trick to use on people w/o highlighting is to put --i; or --x; on a line |
| 21:19.22 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:19.30 | Iriel | that's mean |
| 21:19.42 | Ktron | only a little |
| 21:19.47 | Iriel | But only works on folks with other programming backgrounds |
| 21:19.59 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.01 | Ktron | yeah, but who really picks up lua as their first language? |
| 21:20.10 | Ktron | besides maybe AnduinLothar ? |
| 21:20.14 | Cide | Iriel: any way we could get display order? |
| 21:20.18 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : In C/C++/Java/etc --i would be a pre-decrement on i |
| 21:20.20 | AnduinLothar | nah, i started with python |
| 21:20.21 | Cide | I take it that would be too advanced |
| 21:20.32 | AnduinLothar | oh right |
| 21:20.36 | Iriel | Cide : Display order? It should be in display order as best as I can tell |
| 21:20.41 | AnduinLothar | ooh w/o highlighting |
| 21:20.51 | AnduinLothar | i thought you said w/ |
| 21:20.54 | Elviso | is there a decimal to % string function? I can't find one |
| 21:21.09 | Cide | well, wouldn't MonkeyQuestFrame display above UIParent since UIParent is most likely MonkeyQuestFrame's parent |
| 21:21.16 | Iriel | Elviso : String.format |
| 21:21.37 | Iriel | Cide: It's already in strata/framelevel order |
| 21:22.07 | Iriel | Cide: And MonkeyQuestFrame actually shows up under most of the standard UI |
| 21:22.31 | Elviso | Iriel: thanks, but I don't see the particular method I need on the wiki or lua-users |
| 21:22.42 | Cide | yeah, but under UIParent itself? |
| 21:22.49 | Elkano | Elviso: sth like Info.ItemsPercentage = ceil(Info.ItemsSession / Info.ItemsAll * 1000) / 10 ? |
| 21:23.11 | Elviso | Elkano: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(UnitHealth("target")/UnitHealthMax("target")) |
| 21:23.22 | Elviso | (a cheap target hp% for my mod-less raidleader) |
| 21:23.40 | Elviso | I will try that |
| 21:24.57 | ckknight | use format("%.1f%%", percent * 100) |
| 21:25.03 | ckknight | it's much cleaner, and it does rounding for you |
| 21:26.58 | Iriel | Cide: It's because of the strata that UIParent sits at |
| 21:28.13 | Cide | yeah |
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| 21:32.27 | Iriel | Cide: And actually, since the main action bars are also in MEDIUM, I can verify that monkeyquest sits under those |
| 21:32.33 | Miravlix | Hmm, what we need is that the UI caches lookups, instead of all these more or less horrible solutions to avoid doing stuff to much, the UI itself could cache lookups. |
| 21:32.53 | Iriel | Miravlix : Define 'cache lookups' |
| 21:36.40 | Miravlix | It must give an insane load on the server when you ask 93874928347 times about spell attack. |
| 21:37.12 | Iriel | Most of the questions are answered by the client |
| 21:37.21 | Iriel | Almost nothing does a synchronous server check |
| 21:38.11 | Miravlix | or almost everything depending on your definition of it |
| 21:38.38 | Iriel | "synchronous server check" means somethingt hat involves a round trip to the server before it can return |
| 21:39.18 | Miravlix | I know what it means... |
| 21:39.37 | Iriel | Well then, what did you mean by: <Miravlix> or almost everything depending on your definition of it |
| 21:39.54 | Miravlix | what I said |
| 21:42.21 | Miravlix | Some things is local, some things require server involvment, depends on what the addon does, what is the truth |
| 21:42.50 | Iriel | I was talking about the API set, and for that matter, most addons. |
| 21:44.00 | Elviso | ckknight (and others): thanks for the macro help, works great |
| 21:44.42 | ckknight | hooray |
| 21:46.46 | AnduinLothar | so... i've got primary and secondary display working for the raid frame, but i can't figure out any goo dplace to put the 2ndart display.. |
| 21:47.01 | AnduinLothar | if i put it to the right like normal arch it covers the buffs |
| 21:47.14 | AnduinLothar | i could put the buffs bellow the frame i spose.. |
| 21:47.34 | AnduinLothar | like alt-buff location |
| 21:47.52 | Iriel | Grr, SPELLCAST_STOP is a nightmare |
| 21:48.01 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:48.25 | Miravlix | Blizzard raid frames, you drag from the raid menu? |
| 21:48.32 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 21:48.49 | Kirkburn | Drag the name, class, or group |
| 21:49.04 | AnduinLothar | ... yes |
| 21:49.12 | Miravlix | Isn't left of the frame free |
| 21:49.21 | AnduinLothar | i spose.. |
| 21:49.29 | Miravlix | But it's gets pretty wide then |
| 21:49.33 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 21:49.39 | AnduinLothar | it's either wide or tall.. |
| 21:49.48 | AnduinLothar | wide is easier to code |
| 21:50.24 | Kirkburn | How exactly does double-screen WoW work? |
| 21:50.50 | Kirkburn | Can you get 2 screens worth of view? |
| 21:50.53 | Iriel | Yes |
| 21:51.05 | Miravlix | You use a driver that tricks WoW into thinking you have a big monitor |
| 21:51.09 | Kirkburn | Where would your character be? |
| 21:51.18 | Iriel | Between the 2 screens, if they're of equal size |
| 21:51.33 | Iriel | which is why most people then use CT_Viewport to offset the worldframe |
| 21:51.44 | Kirkburn | Makes sense |
| 22:01.43 | wereHamster | does the viewport change then move the character to the middle of one screen? |
| 22:01.57 | Iriel | That depends on where you put it 8-) |
| 22:02.10 | Iriel | If you put the viewport on one screen, then yes |
| 22:02.19 | wereHamster | I've seen such a screenshot.. was very nice.. I whish I had two monitors :) |
| 22:02.52 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.28 | wereHamster | night.. |
| 22:05.33 | Miravlix | Don't wish for more power consuming electrical equipment. |
| 22:05.54 | Iriel | I wished for 2 LCD monitors to replace my old single CRT 8-) |
| 22:08.06 | Miravlix | I don't have Blizzards hamster technoligy, so I have to pay some company for it and with too much running equipment that can get to be quite expensive. |
| 22:09.19 | Iriel | Ah, but an extra monitor is so worth it 8-) |
| 22:09.31 | Iriel | I have 3 8-) |
| 22:09.37 | Gryphen | or two extra ;) |
| 22:10.19 | zeeg | anyone here know flash? |
| 22:10.30 | Iriel | zeeg: not here, sorry |
| 22:10.39 | Miravlix | Flash Gorden rulez! |
| 22:12.12 | zeeg | oh |
| 22:12.12 | zeeg | duh |
| 22:12.14 | zeeg | http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Flash_Video_Player |
| 22:12.15 | zeeg | haha |
| 22:12.16 | AnduinLothar | can someone get on draka and grp with me? i need another buff or 2 and a body |
| 22:12.30 | Iriel | Sure, which side? |
| 22:12.35 | AnduinLothar | alliance |
| 22:12.55 | Iriel | i'll be about a minute |
| 22:12.59 | AnduinLothar | i still have kremonte's offline body since like 3 months ago.. but i can't buff him |
| 22:14.16 | AnduinLothar | i put the 2ndary text on the left, if works ok there |
| 22:14.22 | AnduinLothar | it works* |
| 22:14.38 | AnduinLothar | have to modifty EasyRaid to add offset tho |
| 22:15.18 | AnduinLothar | an di have no idea what it looks liek with more than 4 digits of hp |
| 22:15.39 | AnduinLothar | we were getting war's with 10k hp while raiding at work |
| 22:15.52 | AnduinLothar | braks things :/ |
| 22:16.18 | Cide | try 16k if you're alliance :) |
| 22:16.29 | AnduinLothar | unbuffed |
| 22:16.33 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:16.37 | Cide | but 16k buffed |
| 22:16.55 | Cide | that's a lot of health to go past, hehe |
| 22:17.44 | AnduinLothar | not in nax.. |
| 22:18.40 | Cide | so horde gets gimped again? great! |
| 22:19.14 | AnduinLothar | nah, nax is completely unballenced yet |
| 22:19.23 | AnduinLothar | totally impossible |
| 22:21.28 | zeeg | that + ffmpeg |
| 22:21.29 | zeeg | yay |
| 22:27.37 | Kirkburn | Omg, Anduin mentioned Naxx! |
| 22:28.25 | Kirkburn | I'm bored now, so I'm gonna play some Trackmania :) |
| 22:32.20 | Iriel | Hey tem |
| 22:32.23 | Iriel | Enjoy your nap? |
| 22:32.31 | Tem | mmmm |
| 22:32.34 | Iriel | I can't nap at all, just screws me up for the rest of the day |
| 22:32.39 | Tem | Iriel: I'm seeing a release of DevTools |
| 22:33.07 | Iriel | Tem: You are indeed |
| 22:33.15 | Tem | fun stuff |
| 22:33.22 | Iriel | Tem: I refined dtchatevent, and I added dtframestack |
| 22:33.37 | Tem | does dump go to it's own message frame yet? |
| 22:33.44 | Iriel | Tem: Not yet, no. |
| 22:33.51 | Iriel | Tem: I'm laying the groundwork for that, slowly |
| 22:33.56 | Tem | yay |
| 22:34.55 | Tem | really what I need to do is get working on some of projects that aren't anything more than mental scetches of ideas |
| 22:35.06 | Tem | one of them is a table browser |
| 22:35.16 | Iriel | That's what I want to do with /dump |
| 22:35.26 | Iriel | Thus the slow laying of groundwork |
| 22:35.32 | Tem | oh yay |
| 22:36.01 | AnduinLothar | tem, you mean like Fire? |
| 22:36.04 | Iriel | Everyone loves Mini Diablo |
| 22:36.28 | Tem | AnduinLothar: like what? |
| 22:36.52 | AnduinLothar | Alex made a tree structured Table browser |
| 22:37.03 | Tem | cool |
| 22:37.05 | AnduinLothar | it's in the Cosmos_DevTools distro |
| 22:37.27 | AnduinLothar | i've been trying to get iriel to integrate it with devtools, but he wants to write his own |
| 22:37.55 | Tem | I don't blame him. It looks fun |
| 22:38.16 | Tem | I may write one just for shits even if I never use it |
| 22:38.32 | Iriel | Well, I have some very specific ideas |
| 22:38.32 | AnduinLothar | http://70.187.188.195:81/games/wow/screenshots/FireWindowTableEval.jpg |
| 22:38.47 | AnduinLothar | of course it handles sub tables too |
| 22:42.37 | krka | fire handled large tables very poorly last time i tried it :/ |
| 22:43.16 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you mean by very poorly. |
| 22:43.58 | AnduinLothar | i fixed it a while ago so it would blow up on recursive tables, but it needs love. like an option to click an option and move it to the root eval |
| 22:44.10 | AnduinLothar | wouldn't* |
| 22:44.10 | krka | not recursive, a plain table |
| 22:44.13 | krka | but big |
| 22:44.21 | AnduinLothar | what'd it do? |
| 22:44.35 | krka | i just asked it to show my autotravel data |
| 22:44.45 | krka | think it hanged wow |
| 22:44.58 | AnduinLothar | ya, hanging was for recursion |
| 22:45.10 | krka | no, that was'nt a recursive table |
| 22:45.30 | krka | anyway, that was a very long time ago |
| 22:46.02 | AnduinLothar | it does lag a bit atm when evalling large tables, but that's cause it fully updated instead of caching. same with scrolling |
| 22:46.42 | AnduinLothar | but i just evalled Sea.util.Hooks and it worked fine |
| 22:47.02 | AnduinLothar | that's a rather huge table if you have buffoptions + visopts + castopts |
| 22:47.24 | krka | hmm... i should sleep |
| 22:48.04 | AnduinLothar | evaling Sea hangs for about 10 seconds but finally shows it |
| 22:49.28 | Iriel | I hate the spellcasting events even more in 1.10 than I did before |
| 23:05.21 | AnduinLothar | there we go, got ArchRaid and EasyRaid to play nice together |
| 23:22.07 | AnduinLothar | http://karlkfi.no-ip.com/games/wow/screenshots/ArchRaid.jpg |
| 23:23.29 | Kirkburn | Who is who? |
| 23:23.40 | ckknight | I am me |
| 23:23.45 | AnduinLothar | iriel's Lua, I'm Whiletrue |
| 23:26.31 | Kirkburn | "We're all individuals!" |
| 23:27.13 | AnduinLothar | mmm isn't it "We're ALL different!" |
| 23:27.19 | AnduinLothar | "I'm not!" |
| 23:29.14 | Kirkburn | Thank you for correcting me :) |
| 23:29.33 | Kirkburn | Half the people saying that didn't even know english |
| 23:30.52 | Codayus | Okay, random question - anyone know of any alternatives to ventrilo and teamspeak for guild voice chat? |
| 23:31.14 | ckknight | those are the only two I know |
| 23:31.19 | Kirkburn | Same here |
| 23:31.52 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I just found out "Blizzard also plans to allow players in the Burning Crusade to open at least three rifts into new worlds." |
| 23:32.06 | ckknight | cool |
| 23:32.25 | ckknight | I still think they should just let us go to the 5 continents on Azeroth first :-P |
| 23:32.31 | Kirkburn | "With plans for up to seven rifts at future expansions." |
| 23:32.38 | Kirkburn | I s'pose |
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| 23:32.52 | Kirkburn | Northrend will be a long way away though |
| 23:32.57 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:33.03 | ckknight | but they could do Undermine relatively easily |
| 23:33.19 | ckknight | Sunken Kalimdor would be a pain, cause you'd have to include a water-breathing race like Naga |
| 23:33.25 | Kirkburn | I can imagine a sea-related expansion could take that in quite well |
| 23:33.31 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:33.49 | Kirkburn | In fact, I'd say it's most likely the next one after BC |
| 23:33.55 | ckknight | agreed |
| 23:34.13 | ckknight | seems likely |
| 23:34.22 | ckknight | Naga are already a major historical force |
| 23:34.39 | Kirkburn | Somewhat, yeah |
| 23:34.53 | ckknight | well, they could be made out to be |
| 23:35.52 | Kirkburn | Lots of info here on Outland: http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/382/ |
| 23:37.08 | Kirkburn | I meant I was agreeing with you, they're likely a massive force. They've had years underwater to assert their dominance (against or with murlocs? Who knows ...) |
| 23:40.55 | ckknight | I want a 3rd faction |
| 23:42.47 | AnduinLothar | yay for whispering crashing wow |
| 23:42.56 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:43.02 | AnduinLothar | every time |
| 23:50.23 | Iriel | Ok, a 1.10 compatible AfterCast is now available |
