| 00:01.08 | Kirov | The code does what it's supposed to. |
| 00:01.41 | Kirov | it's sometimes "scripter code", sure, but most of the time that's what UI code devolves in to. |
| 00:02.11 | Kirov | It works, doesn't cause infinte loops, and doesn't cause the interface to hitch notcably, usually. |
| 00:03.07 | zenzelezz | the only time I seem to notice "lag" in the interface is when opening the talent window |
| 00:05.34 | Kirov | Yeah, but that's because it's loading the Talent AddOn |
| 00:05.44 | Kirov | And textures |
| 00:05.52 | Kirov | After you load it once, it shouldn't lag again |
| 00:06.07 | zenzelezz | I'm sure there's a good reason for it :) Was just commenting |
| 00:06.52 | Kirov | Most of the UI lag that exists ignoring LoadOnDemand isn't a UI problem, but a server / client code thing where it sends a request to the server, and the interface actually waits for the response before continuing. |
| 00:07.13 | Tain | So here's a tip: To save yourself processing always leave your spellbook on a page with the fewest number of spells/actions on it when you close it. You'll save a little bit of processing! |
| 00:07.29 | zenzelezz | Kirov: like crafting (while ping-lagged)? |
| 00:07.47 | Kirov | zen - or moving inventory / actions / browsing the AH |
| 00:07.52 | Kirov | mail |
| 00:07.55 | Kirov | bank |
| 00:07.58 | Kirov | etc |
| 00:08.04 | zenzelezz | true |
| 00:08.11 | Kirov | though the last three are usually texture loading lag |
| 00:08.54 | Osagasu | Yep, Rowne is definitely modding OB now |
| 00:09.05 | Kirov | OB? |
| 00:09.16 | Osagasu | Oblivion |
| 00:09.34 | Kirov | ah |
| 00:09.38 | Kirov | hmm |
| 00:09.55 | Kirov | Perhaps he'll stop doing WoW stuff and we can keep the rest of the UI functions unprotected |
| 00:10.08 | cladhaire | ... |
| 00:10.10 | cladhaire | are you kidding me? |
| 00:10.32 | cladhaire | I never saw 100% eye to eye with rowne.. but pretending he's the sole reaosn any of this happened is just assinine. |
| 00:10.48 | Kirov | cladhaire - I'm exagerating of course. |
| 00:11.05 | Cairenn | Kirov: thanks for clarifying, as it wasn't clear to me, either |
| 00:11.16 | cladhaire | Well, why publicly bash someone who isn't here to defend themselves, and has no involvement in the community at all.. just doesn't seem to be kosher with me. |
| 00:11.22 | Kirov | The moded version of decursive and autobuff has probably a bigger hand in this than just Rowne |
| 00:12.58 | Kirov | I have less respect for Rowne than Saien. |
| 00:13.10 | cladhaire | I don't care.. feel how you want |
| 00:13.14 | cladhaire | but taking about him now does nothing |
| 00:13.16 | cladhaire | for ayone |
| 00:13.22 | Kirov | true. |
| 00:13.35 | cladhaire | I'm not a huge fan of talking about peopel behind their backs.. especially in a forum like this.. that just .. not.. nice. |
| 00:13.47 | Cairenn | so we'll all just agree to disagree and let it go at that, right folks? |
| 00:13.51 | cladhaire | Yep =) |
| 00:14.06 | Tain | I disagree with disagreeing |
| 00:14.15 | cladhaire | I'm sorry to disagree so vehemently, but stuff like that really bothers me.. doesn't matter who its about. You could talk about Saien like that and I'd react the same way. |
| 00:14.25 | Kirov | Actually, I'll agree with cladhaire on this, though if Rowne was in the channel I'd say the same thing. |
| 00:14.55 | Cairenn | If Rowne were in the channel, cladhaire would have less of a complaint, as would I |
| 00:15.22 | Cairenn | as you could then have it out with him, privately |
| 00:16.04 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:16.14 | cladhaire | Cair knows me too well |
| 00:16.44 | Kirov | I'll just hold my tongue. |
| 00:16.48 | Cairenn | nothing to do with knowing you, everything to do with listening to what you just said |
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| 00:19.18 | cladhaire | Kirov: Opinions are great, and discussino is even better.. but comments of that vain bother me in particular. Don't let me dictate how you act/do, I was just expressing my own opinion =) |
| 00:20.17 | Kirov | *** cladhaire has signed off IRC |
| 00:20.18 | Kirov | Kirov: gaud the clad is an ass hat, he's the reason puppies die at night |
| 00:20.35 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:20.43 | cladhaire | my dog isn't a puppy |
| 00:20.48 | cladhaire | and i dont really kick her. |
| 00:20.50 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 00:20.55 | cladhaire | i could be convinced tho =) |
| 00:21.22 | Kirov | for killing non puppy puppies ... at night? |
| 00:21.32 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 00:23.58 | cladhaire | i'm tired. |
| 00:24.03 | cladhaire | i need to go to bed early, but top chef is on. |
| 00:27.21 | AnduinLothar | morning |
| 00:27.35 | Cairenn | hey AnduinLothar |
| 00:27.45 | AnduinLothar | i'm nto a pepper |
| 00:28.01 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 00:28.21 | Cairenn | me either |
| 00:28.30 | AnduinLothar | anyway |
| 00:28.58 | AnduinLothar | how's everyone doing? not too much post-patch-stress-dissorder (PPSD) I hope |
| 00:29.37 | AnduinLothar | i see they're toying with the login servers again |
| 00:30.02 | Kirov | I still want to find a better way of dealing with tooltips |
| 00:30.19 | Kirov | doing a SetOwner() every time is just ... uhg |
| 00:30.28 | AnduinLothar | you don't need to |
| 00:30.51 | Kirov | Anduin - set no parent, don't hide, yeah |
| 00:30.56 | Kirov | still breaks sometimes |
| 00:31.07 | AnduinLothar | just set owner on PEW |
| 00:31.29 | Kirov | Does that happen on reload? |
| 00:31.48 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 00:31.51 | Iriel|working | Kirov: I believe the problem is if you do a Show when the thing is empty |
| 00:31.55 | AnduinLothar | but so does onload |
| 00:31.56 | Iriel|working | Kirov : Then it clears the owner |
| 00:32.17 | AnduinLothar | ya, well you shouldn't be showing it ever anyway |
| 00:32.26 | Kirov | iriel - Do any Set methods cause a "show"? |
| 00:32.38 | Iriel|working | I believe internally they all do |
| 00:35.08 | AnduinLothar | oh, iriel. got any idea what event it's safe to assume the itemcache.wdb has been reconstructed if you log in with it removed or empty? |
| 00:36.20 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : Hm, I'm not sure there IS a safe point unless you've explicitly iterated over your inventory, containers, and tradeskills |
| 00:37.04 | AnduinLothar | well I've found that iterating over the quest log (with reward items) causes a hang if you do it before the itemcache has been updated from the server |
| 00:37.20 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : Does it cause a deadlock hang, or an infinite event loop? |
| 00:37.35 | AnduinLothar | define the difference |
| 00:37.47 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : Deadlock hang -- No events fire, everything's just stuck |
| 00:38.03 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : Infinite event loop -- Event causes action which causes event which causes action which.... |
| 00:38.06 | AnduinLothar | pretty much |
| 00:38.12 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : LOTS of activity, everything's still stuck |
| 00:38.39 | AnduinLothar | not really sure, how can I tell |
| 00:38.58 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : Put a counter in your event handler, make it abort after X calls |
| 00:39.10 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 00:39.50 | AnduinLothar | no disk activity that I know of, which makes me think deadlock |
| 00:40.33 | Iriel|working | I wouldn't assume that |
| 00:41.30 | Kirov | if the ui is in an infinite loop, does it eventually do a GC? |
| 00:41.38 | Iriel|working | Only if it generates G to C |
| 00:41.44 | AnduinLothar | well i can't log in, so i can't do more testing atm |
| 00:42.34 | Iriel|working | Though busy event loops often end up with a stack overflow |
| 00:42.40 | Iriel|working | They may take quite some time to get there |
| 00:42.54 | AnduinLothar | well it at least goes for a good 5 min |
| 00:43.00 | Kirov | ooo, another "I'll give you $5 to make my mod for me" post |
| 00:43.27 | Codayus | heh |
| 00:43.29 | Kirov | I wonder if people actually respond to those |
| 00:43.38 | AnduinLothar | i did once |
| 00:43.52 | Codayus | Yeah? How did that work out? |
| 00:44.02 | AnduinLothar | he wanted me to make an in-game mail/whisper spam addon to spam everyone on the /who list |
| 00:44.09 | AnduinLothar | i told him to go to hell |
| 00:44.10 | Codayus | .... |
| 00:44.15 | Kirov | hehe |
| 00:44.24 | Codayus | good good. :-) |
| 00:44.44 | Kirov | Someone has obviouslly already made such a mod |
| 00:44.53 | Codayus | sadly, yes |
| 00:45.06 | AnduinLothar | ya, but mine woulda been pretty ;) |
| 00:45.17 | Kirov | been spammed to hell for some gold buying site |
| 00:45.47 | Kirov | Sitting in MC and I get this tell, and at the same time someone in vent goes, "what the hell is this, buy gold?" "I got that too." |
| 00:46.44 | Kirov | about 15 seconds later the character had been deleted, either by the creator or bliz |
| 00:46.56 | Kirov | Not sure if GMs have that power |
| 00:51.43 | Kirov | http://www.warcraft-secrets.com/ - oh good |
| 00:52.53 | AnduinLothar | lol, you wont get banned |
| 00:55.00 | Osagasu | Hey Anduin, apparently I'd be scared if you decided to mod Oblivion, says I. *ducks* |
| 00:55.40 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 00:56.50 | Osagasu | Oh, I'm bugging rowne in the Oblivion forums |
| 01:01.52 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 01:02.15 | AnduinLothar | sorry, on a mac. don't think oblivion will be modded by me in the near future |
| 01:03.51 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - boot camp! |
| 01:04.19 | Kirov | chuck that old. outdated G5 and get a "real" Mac |
| 01:04.24 | AnduinLothar | i don't have an intel mac or income to buy one |
| 01:05.38 | Kirov | but zomg intel macs are _classy_ intel computers! |
| 01:05.53 | AnduinLothar | got a few thousand $ for me? |
| 01:06.28 | Kirov | hehe |
| 01:07.15 | AnduinLothar | now i have time but no $. seems you can have one or the other, but not both |
| 01:07.46 | Kirov | They do seem mutually exclusive most of the time. |
| 01:08.01 | Osagasu | Simple fix: win the lottery. |
| 01:08.52 | zenzelezz | I've been meaning to write a letter to the lottery to inform them that their machine is broken... it always picks the incorrect numbers |
| 01:09.19 | AnduinLothar | odd. it goes through the first quest log iteration just fine onload, but blows up if i do it on PEW or UPDATE_FACTION or QUEST_LOG_UPDATE |
| 01:10.08 | AnduinLothar | perhaps it's because the onload one causes about 21 QUEST_LOG_UPDATE that don't get called untill later |
| 01:10.51 | AnduinLothar | well, it's definitely a Deadlock hang, cause the prints stop working |
| 01:11.06 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : Not safe assumption to make |
| 01:11.15 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : You only SEE prints when the code makes it to the rendering stage |
| 01:11.16 | AnduinLothar | it stops updating the screen |
| 01:11.39 | Iriel|working | AnduinLothar : Try making PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED change the target, if you want a demonstration 8-) |
| 01:12.19 | AnduinLothar | well unfortunetly it takes me 5 min to log on each time after a hang, so i can't really test much of anything easily |
| 01:12.50 | AnduinLothar | mouse wheel keeps spinning |
| 01:15.51 | AnduinLothar | we'll see what happens when i limit it to 30 QUEST_LOG_UPDATE's |
| 01:17.28 | AnduinLothar | there we go, it gives up after 30 |
| 01:17.58 | AnduinLothar | more likr 30*20 |
| 01:21.29 | AnduinLothar | so, Infinite event loop then |
| 01:24.33 | Iriel|working | This is the problem Miravlix was running into |
| 01:24.48 | Iriel|working | the trick is to either (a) make your code smarter about knowing what it's asked for so it doesn't keep asking for it again or |
| 01:25.03 | Iriel|working | (b) make it know when to give up, and then wait until say an OnUpdate to ask for some more |
| 01:26.00 | AnduinLothar | ya. it was working before, but mira broke it by trying to make it all event driven |
| 01:26.04 | Miravlix | I have it fixed |
| 01:26.20 | Miravlix | Just busy testing to refine it a bit |
| 01:30.49 | Miravlix | QUEST_LOG_UPDATE,arg1 come in 4 flavors. arg1 = button for when you mouseclick certain things, so can be ignored |
| 01:31.22 | Miravlix | arg1 == # returned when you 'hit' the WDB cache, gives an insane number of them |
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| 01:31.49 | Miravlix | arg1 == "Quest Progress Message #/#" creates 8-10 of those for no reason |
| 01:32.52 | Miravlix | The real meat is QUEST_LOG_UPDATE,nil and just by just triggering on that a situation changes from 20 events, to 1 |
| 01:33.14 | Miravlix | But QUEST_LOG_UPDATE,nil can spam too |
| 01:33.50 | Kemayo | AnduinLothar: I'm having this problem in my addon too. |
| 01:34.05 | Kemayo | Y'know, for what it's worth. :) |
| 01:34.58 | AnduinLothar | hmm. the channels join after the hang.. |
| 01:35.10 | Miravlix | It doesn't hang |
| 01:35.19 | AnduinLothar | mine does |
| 01:35.24 | Miravlix | it's simply processing 5-100K QUEST_LOG_UPDATES |
| 01:35.30 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 01:35.36 | AnduinLothar | that's hanging |
| 01:35.37 | Gryphen | simply |
| 01:35.40 | Miravlix | It will slow down some day |
| 01:36.35 | AnduinLothar | well, i spose you could use ChatBar's indication of when the game has loaded.. |
| 01:36.38 | Miravlix | simply adding if arg1 == nil then updateHistory should clear it up |
| 01:37.38 | AnduinLothar | then are we updating as much as we need to? |
| 01:38.05 | Miravlix | We are still updating to much just by looking at nil |
| 01:38.32 | AnduinLothar | still hangs here |
| 01:38.43 | Iriel|working | Can't you change your handling to use a dirty bit and OnUpdate? |
| 01:38.46 | AnduinLothar | using if event == "QUEST_LOG_UPDATE" and arg1 == nil then |
| 01:39.13 | Miravlix | As I said I already have it fixed, I'm just not happy with the fix and trying to refine it. |
| 01:39.29 | Miravlix | if arg1 == nil then |
| 01:39.29 | Miravlix | Chronos.scheduleByName("Libram.updateHistory", 1, LibramData.updateHistory ) |
| 01:40.09 | AnduinLothar | don't think that's always neccissary tho |
| 01:41.09 | Miravlix | It allows us to skip spammed events |
| 01:41.17 | Miravlix | but we allways react to the last one created |
| 01:41.21 | AnduinLothar | and delays all the rest |
| 01:42.26 | Miravlix | if eventprsecond > 5 then chronos else updateHistory |
| 01:44.18 | Miravlix | I've been looking at QUEST_LOG_UPDATE and it doesn't work as it used to, I've never seen the "Quest Progress #/#" one |
| 01:44.36 | Miravlix | And I'm sure we had trouble with == nil |
| 01:44.56 | Miravlix | But I can't trigger a situation where we don't get alteast one QUEST_LOG_UPDATE,nil event |
| 01:47.29 | Kemayo | So, just to clarify things to myself here, it appears that the issue is that when scanning all the leaderboards before the item-cache is loaded, each leaderboard load is triggering a QUEST_LOG_UPDATE? |
| 01:48.25 | Miravlix | Triggering 10-20 QLU's and in a way so they even get delayed reported |
| 01:48.55 | Miravlix | So you end up Looping on events you have created yourself |
| 01:50.57 | Miravlix | And since the whole UI is bogged down and your looping will slow the UI down so you will never recover |
| 01:51.47 | Kemayo | That's a bit of a pain. |
| 01:51.56 | Miravlix | o.O |
| 01:55.40 | Miravlix | elseif event == "QUEST_LOG_UPDATE" and arg1 == nil then |
| 01:55.40 | Miravlix | -- Event throttling to deal with WDB cache event insanity. |
| 01:55.40 | Miravlix | if GetTime() - PartyQuests_QLU_Time <= 1 then |
| 01:55.40 | Miravlix | PartyQuests_QLU_Events = PartyQuests_QLU_Events + 1 |
| 01:55.40 | Miravlix | if PartyQuests_QLU_Events >= 5 then |
| 01:55.41 | Miravlix | Chronos.scheduleByName("Libram.updateHistory", 1, LibramData.updateHistory ) |
| 01:55.43 | Miravlix | end |
| 01:55.45 | Miravlix | elseif GetTime() - PartyQuests_QLU_Time > 1 then |
| 01:55.47 | Miravlix | PartyQuests_QLU_Time = GetTime() |
| 01:55.49 | Miravlix | PartyQuests_QLU_Events = 0 |
| 01:55.51 | Miravlix | if not isScheduledByName("Libram.updateHistory") then |
| 01:55.53 | Miravlix | Libram.updateHistory() |
| 01:55.55 | Miravlix | end |
| 01:55.55 | Gryphen | pastebin |
| 01:55.57 | Miravlix | end |
| 01:56.12 | Miravlix | To slow |
| 01:56.36 | Tain | Please use pastebin for things like that. |
| 01:56.40 | Gryphen | thats considerate |
| 01:56.55 | AnduinLothar | that make smy face hurt |
| 01:58.37 | Miravlix | Biit horrid without comments, but would have been a bit much to quote with comments |
| 02:00.04 | Miravlix | I've one of the people that use the pastebins the most |
| 02:00.14 | Miravlix | Sometimes it just isn't necesary |
| 02:00.22 | Cairenn | ... |
| 02:00.29 | Gryphen | in your opinion |
| 02:00.43 | Cairenn | if it's more than a couple (read 2 or 3) lines, then pastebin is the way to go |
| 02:01.14 | cladhaire | we say its necessary and kindly ask you to consider that =) |
| 02:02.01 | Miravlix | If the channel had 10 conversation going at the time, then offcourse I wouldn't have pasted that |
| 02:02.06 | Miravlix | But it was me talking to myself |
| 02:02.20 | Gryphen | always an excuse |
| 02:02.43 | Miravlix | It's not an excuse |
| 02:03.01 | Miravlix | It's a matter of the world not being black and white, you make choices based on the situation. |
| 02:03.55 | Cairenn | okay, well to make it black and white then, I am asking you to please use pastebin if the code is more than a couple lines long |
| 02:07.21 | Miravlix | I really don't see who I have hurt by pasting that at a time where the channel was dead. |
| 02:07.32 | Miravlix | I would never paste if it would harm anyone |
| 02:07.39 | AnduinLothar | stop mira |
| 02:08.17 | AnduinLothar | no more argument is needed, requested or wanted. |
| 02:08.52 | Miravlix | People shot at me I was being inconsiderate |
| 02:08.55 | Miravlix | I recent that |
| 02:09.47 | Miravlix | Thats not true at all, I always try to be considerate of others. |
| 02:10.11 | AnduinLothar | bullshit |
| 02:10.36 | Cairenn | no one said you were being inconsiderate, we just asked that you use it in the future |
| 02:10.37 | Cairenn | period |
| 02:10.50 | Cairenn | yes, the channel was quiet |
| 02:10.51 | Miravlix | [03:56] <Gryphen> thats considerate |
| 02:11.01 | AnduinLothar | sarcasm |
| 02:11.11 | Miravlix | yes, because he meant I was being inconsiderate |
| 02:11.14 | Cairenn | but we'd still prefer that you use pastebin |
| 02:11.31 | Cairenn | now, can we just drop it? |
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| 02:15.42 | Kemayo | Okay, so, I'm going to see if it still crashes for people now that I've added a 1 second delay to QUEST_LOG_UPDATE (which resets itself every time a QLU happens, in case they're coming in more than once a second). |
| 02:15.46 | Miravlix | Kemayo, Did it help you any? |
| 02:15.56 | Kemayo | Yes, it was very informative. Thank you. :) |
| 02:17.26 | Kemayo | I believe that you have pointed me on the right track. Now I'll just have to make sure that the people it's crashing for are fixed. |
| 02:17.41 | Kemayo | It doesn't crash for me. I suspect my computer loads too slowly. |
| 02:18.25 | Miravlix | I better release a new PQ with the fix too, refined what I pasted earlier, chronos makes it quite a nice little system |
| 02:19.22 | Kemayo | I'm working with the OnUpdate system in FuBar, which lacks a nice "schedule for x in the future" function... but a similar effect is pretty easy to arrange. |
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| 02:26.44 | ckknight | hrm |
| 02:26.54 | ckknight | I'd add it, but I already promised API freeze |
| 02:27.32 | ckknight | and actually, you can sorta have one like that |
| 02:27.45 | Kemayo | It's fairly easy to fake something with StartOnUpdate and StopOnUpdate. |
| 02:27.46 | ckknight | if you use metrognome, and set the wait time to however long you want |
| 02:28.23 | ckknight | yea, the OnUpdate stuff for FuBar are just wrappers around Metrognome |
| 02:28.42 | Miravlix | Baah, mine doesn't work to well |
| 02:29.52 | Kemayo | Is FuBar's metrognome instance accessable, or would I need to create my own? |
| 02:30.40 | Kemayo | Or whatever one does. |
| 02:31.32 | Wobin_ | Better to use your own, it doesn't matter one way or another, but if you develop past FuBar, you can use a version of the embedded library that's higher than FuBar |
| 02:33.41 | Kemayo | True, dat. |
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| 02:42.44 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 02:49.34 | Kemayo | Woo! I have a positive report of my new version not destroying WoW! |
| 02:49.43 | Kirov | ? |
| 02:50.15 | Kemayo | Shortly before you arrived we were discussing the current Issues with QUEST_LOG_UPDATE, GetQuestLogLeaderBoard() and the itemcache. |
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| 02:51.11 | Kemayo | Specifically, GetQuestLogLeaderBoard() apparently generates a QUEST_LOG_UPDATE if you call it when the itemcache isn't loaded. So if you're scanning the quest log on every QUEST_LOG_UPDATE.... problem. Loop. |
| 02:56.33 | Miravlix | You always seem to generate atleast one QUEST_LOG_UPDATE |
| 02:56.49 | Miravlix | So I've mutexed that one |
| 02:57.17 | Miravlix | I only react to QUEST_LOG_UPDATES arg1 == nil too. |
| 02:58.23 | Miravlix | QUEST_LOG_UPDATE,somenumber is clearly related to item cache or something else |
| 02:58.32 | Miravlix | number must be some time code |
| 02:58.53 | Miravlix | What I don't get is why it generates 10 or so events with the same number |
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| 03:01.45 | Shouryuu_ | hello |
| 03:01.51 | Cairenn | hi Shouryuu_ |
| 03:02.04 | zenzelezz | greetigns |
| 03:02.18 | zenzelezz | +/- spelling |
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| 03:28.46 | Wobin_ | Maybe it's updating your local itemcache so it can show you stats for quest rewards? |
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| 03:33.05 | Wobin_ | Brief ORLY update:http://siln.livejournal.com/237031.html |
| 03:34.26 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 03:43.00 | ckknight | O RLY? |
| 03:43.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:45.16 | Cairenn | MentalPower: he's yanking the guy's chain |
| 03:45.34 | MentalPower | hehe |
| 03:45.41 | Cairenn | although that was rather rude |
| 03:46.05 | MentalPower | you shoud've seen me scrambling to follow the guys instructions... |
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| 03:47.11 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 03:47.14 | Iriel | Re |
| 03:47.36 | Cairenn | MentalPower: I trust you are kiddin |
| 03:47.40 | Cairenn | g* |
| 03:48.02 | MentalPower | nah, I'm too nice to yank the guys chain back |
| 03:48.05 | Kirov | ? |
| 03:48.30 | Cairenn | yo, Gryphen |
| 03:48.37 | Cairenn | you need to kick that guy |
| 03:48.56 | MentalPower | yeah, pleae |
| 03:49.06 | Cairenn | or zespri |
| 03:49.09 | MentalPower | s/pleae/please/ |
| 03:50.14 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:50.52 | Cairenn | if I did, I would |
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| 03:53.28 | Iriel | Hmmm.. play.. or code.. or play.. or code.. |
| 03:53.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:53.40 | Kirov | both! |
| 03:53.43 | Wobin_ | both! |
| 03:53.58 | MentalPower | both! |
| 03:55.18 | MentalPower | oh wow, never seen a pissed off cair, its not pretty |
| 03:55.32 | Cairenn | MentalPower: fuck, I wish *I* had mod status in there, I'd kick his ass |
| 03:55.48 | Cairenn | pardon my english |
| 03:56.14 | Wobin_ | whazzat? |
| 03:56.21 | MentalPower | wohoo! he left! |
| 03:56.37 | Cairenn | with the ever so mature "get a life" parting shot |
| 03:56.48 | Wobin_ | That must have stung =) |
| 03:57.23 | Cairenn | telling you, I don't think I can stand the pain |
| 03:57.29 | Cairenn | truth hurts so very much you know ... |
| 03:57.53 | Wobin_ | oh absolutely |
| 03:58.01 | Wobin_ | ~truth |
| 03:58.03 | purl | well, truth is stranger than fiction |
| 03:58.45 | Iriel | My problem is that I have a life but have no idea what to do with it |
| 03:58.50 | Iriel | It keeps getting in the way of my wow time |
| 03:58.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:01.16 | Iriel | You know that scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where they storm up to the castle to rescue the "princess" ? |
| 04:01.35 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
| 04:01.39 | Cairenn | and? |
| 04:01.39 | zenzelezz | isn't it just one person? |
| 04:01.49 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: aye |
| 04:01.52 | Iriel | Well, lag or something just caused someone to appear that way running to the barrens |
| 04:01.59 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 04:01.59 | Iriel | to crossroads, that is |
| 04:02.00 | Kirov | Funny storry |
| 04:02.09 | Iriel | they kept running close then warping far away |
| 04:02.15 | Kirov | The reason for that scene is the park they filmed that part in was always busy |
| 04:02.36 | Kirov | They could never get a complete run in with out someone walking in to frame |
| 04:02.46 | Kirov | So, they made it a joke. |
| 04:02.56 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:03.10 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 04:05.22 | ckknight | I'm having issues uploading into WoWI |
| 04:05.45 | Cairenn | how so ckknight? |
| 04:07.14 | ckknight | I'm trying to upload a new Library |
| 04:07.16 | ckknight | pushed upload |
| 04:07.20 | ckknight | going on 2 minutes now |
| 04:07.25 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 04:07.49 | ckknight | this is actually the second time |
| 04:07.55 | ckknight | I tried to upload the same thing 5 minutes ago |
| 04:08.01 | ckknight | waited until 3 minutes of nothing had passed |
| 04:08.02 | Cairenn | that's weird |
| 04:08.04 | ckknight | then did it again |
| 04:08.13 | Cairenn | since you were just able to upload FuBar |
| 04:08.19 | ckknight | it is odd, cause I updated my previous stuff right before |
| 04:08.19 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:08.27 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 04:09.22 | ckknight | should I just keep trying to push upload? |
| 04:09.38 | Cairenn | trying to get in touch with Dolby, see if he's got any idea what might be causing the problem |
| 04:10.04 | Shouryuu_ | my god whats the file you have to delete to reset your chat settings? |
| 04:10.10 | Shouryuu_ | Can't beleive I forgot it.. |
| 04:10.14 | Wobin_ | chat-layout? |
| 04:10.17 | Wobin_ | er cache |
| 04:10.19 | Shouryuu_ | aye |
| 04:10.22 | Wobin_ | chat-cache |
| 04:10.24 | Wobin_ | .txt |
| 04:10.39 | Shouryuu_ | its in the WTF folder right? |
| 04:10.43 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:10.49 | Wobin_ | /wtf/account/name/char/ |
| 04:10.55 | ckknight | lol, http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic is great |
| 04:11.43 | Cairenn | ckknight: talking to Dolby now, just explained the problem |
| 04:11.49 | ckknight | okay |
| 04:12.13 | Cairenn | he just got home, so give us a couple for him to get settled in and look at it |
| 04:12.24 | Iriel | The server is probably all alone in the server room yelling "Need more Mana!" |
| 04:12.33 | Cairenn | Iriel: ROFL |
| 04:12.53 | ckknight | oom. |
| 04:13.08 | Kirov | Not sure if I should laugh or cry |
| 04:13.37 | Kirov | penny arcade |
| 04:14.12 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:14.23 | ckknight | Does the subject have a song you really have to listen to? |
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| 04:15.35 | zespri_work | what is the most common program to work with #D graphics? |
| 04:15.38 | zespri_work | 3D |
| 04:15.48 | Kirov | um |
| 04:15.54 | Cairenn | Iriel: Dolby says "probably" |
| 04:15.55 | zenzelezz | don't think you can say for sure |
| 04:16.08 | zenzelezz | 3dsmax, XSI and Maya are all big |
| 04:16.14 | Kirov | Mayawave Max XSI |
| 04:16.14 | zespri_work | thank you! |
| 04:16.43 | Kirov | (that's lightwave stuck in there too) |
| 04:17.12 | Cairenn | zespri_work: http://tkingart.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=1ba12a3fcc554018051ed7a701bb8bda |
| 04:17.17 | Cairenn | lots of great links there |
| 04:17.50 | ckknight | Cairenn, tried again, works |
| 04:18.03 | Cairenn | ckknight: yeah, dolby said he was just able to upload a test file |
| 04:18.18 | Cairenn | weird |
| 04:18.21 | ckknight | yea, it was probably just oom |
| 04:18.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:18.51 | zespri_work | thanks a lot. I'm just going to be interviewed at a company that develops 3D graphics proggie so just wanted to read up about what is in the marked. never dealt with 3D before, and frankly speaking not going to =) |
| 04:20.15 | Cairenn | hey guys, anyone still have an old EQ enchanter kicking around? Dolby wants someone to go cast KEI on the server |
| 04:21.01 | Cairenn | or a bard with mana song? |
| 04:23.15 | Shouryuu_ | weeee my add on has been repaired |
| 04:23.18 | Shouryuu_ | after 6 month |
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| 04:32.12 | Wobin_ | Wow Server needs food badly! |
| 04:32.19 | Wobin_ | (i) |
| 04:35.55 | wereHamster | morning |
| 04:36.33 | Shouryuu_ | mornin |
| 04:36.42 | kremonte | morning :o |
| 04:36.42 | ckknight | if I were to make a better version of MCP, what would I call it? |
| 04:36.46 | kremonte | MCP? |
| 04:36.54 | ckknight | Saien's Master Control Program |
| 04:37.01 | ckknight | lets you disable/enable addons in game |
| 04:37.05 | kremonte | oh. |
| 04:37.09 | kremonte | umm |
| 04:37.16 | zenzelezz | ckknight's Central Control Program |
| 04:37.17 | kremonte | Remote Control? |
| 04:37.18 | zenzelezz | CCCP for short |
| 04:37.33 | ckknight | hooray for Soviet references |
| 04:37.37 | ckknight | but I dunno |
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| 04:46.31 | Kirov | sovient references? |
| 04:46.35 | Kirov | It's Tron |
| 04:46.46 | Kirov | oh, CCCP |
| 04:50.28 | Kirov | ckknight - out of curiosity, how would you go about bettering it? |
| 04:50.43 | ckknight | adding profiles |
| 04:50.56 | ckknight | I would want a profile for BG and one for not-BG |
| 04:51.04 | ckknight | and such |
| 04:51.22 | ckknight | I don't want to have to enable and disable each one that I want and don't want |
| 04:51.40 | zenzelezz | sounds interesting |
| 04:52.23 | ckknight | also, it won't be made by Saien, then |
| 04:52.29 | ckknight | lol |
| 04:52.46 | kremonte | lol |
| 04:58.11 | Cairenn | heh, little chuckle for you guys: http://www.mommyneedscoffee.com/index.php/weblog/comments/an_open_letter_to_the_creators_of_world_of_warcraft/ |
| 04:58.35 | Cairenn | you need to read the comments too |
| 05:02.26 | Corrodias | "I am a 35 yr old stay-at-home mom..." > sounds more like "15 yr old" |
| 05:03.09 | ckknight | yea... |
| 05:06.28 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:07.41 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 05:09.15 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:09.28 | zenzelezz | night |
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| 05:42.52 | Elviso | is there an analogous function for GetRaidRosterInfo for party? |
| 05:44.37 | Iriel | Not really, no. |
| 05:44.46 | Iriel | Unless you include the Unit functions |
| 05:45.11 | Iriel | And GameTooltip:SetUnit("partyX") |
| 05:45.43 | Elviso | I'm just trying to translate like "party3" -> name |
| 05:45.59 | Iriel | UnitName("party3") |
| 05:46.00 | Elviso | ah, UnitName |
| 05:46.20 | Elviso | cool |
| 05:47.09 | Elviso | awesome, works for raid too....no need for another logical branch now |
| 05:50.17 | Elviso | did you spearhead and/or setup the Wiki, Iriel? |
| 05:50.39 | Iriel | Not really, I was responsible for some major reorganizations of the API sections some time ago tho |
| 05:50.51 | Iriel | I go by Flickering there. |
| 05:51.02 | Elviso | Such a great resource |
| 05:52.58 | Iriel | Yeah, and really it only gets better |
| 05:54.42 | Kirov | Flickering had me messed up for so long |
| 05:55.09 | Kirov | I was trying to figure out how a function could "flicker" |
| 05:55.56 | ckknight | anyone know how to prevent ellipses being shown in fontstrings? |
| 05:56.53 | Kirov | ellipses? |
| 05:57.49 | Tem | "This is too lo..." |
| 05:58.56 | Tem | ckknight: I'm not aware of a way. I think it's something fontstrings do natively and there isn't a way to turn off that behavior |
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| 05:59.57 | Ktron | hey everyone |
| 06:00.09 | Iriel | You can turn off their wrapping, but then they become multi-lined |
| 06:02.33 | krka | set the fontstring width to more than the screenwidth? |
| 06:03.07 | Kirov | you can also set a maxchar number |
| 06:03.40 | krka | or set the width to be more than the width of the "..." and then draw something obove that part |
| 06:03.42 | Kirov | ooo, is there an EditBox:SetMaxCharacter() ? |
| 06:08.16 | Iriel | EditBox:SetMaxLetters(maxLetters) - Set the maximum number of letters for entered text. |
| 06:18.00 | Iriel | Sleep time! |
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| 07:22.58 | Kemayo | It amazes me how many people don't know their email address. |
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| 07:25.39 | Tem | Kemayo: have you considered typos? |
| 07:25.57 | Tem | Kemayo: or does the site do the "type it in again to try to prevent typos" thing? |
| 07:27.25 | Kemayo | It does the "type it twice" thing, yeah. |
| 07:28.03 | kremonte | well |
| 07:28.09 | kremonte | it all goes down to a nice, easy to remember addy ;) |
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| 07:29.22 | AnduinLothar | wow, that was petty leet |
| 07:30.03 | AnduinLothar | first raid with this guild. We walked through MC from start to finish in 4 hours. |
| 07:30.19 | AnduinLothar | and I got two epics |
| 07:30.43 | zenzelezz | grats, which? |
| 07:30.55 | AnduinLothar | lawbringer helm and Flamewalker Legplates (2 dropped) |
| 07:30.55 | Kemayo | Nice. (Says the person whose highest level character is 32.) |
| 07:31.54 | AnduinLothar | the helm is pretty phat. the legs are tanking gear that no one wanted, so they'll sit around till i need fr or tanking |
| 08:04.32 | zenzelezz | funky... farming some Essence of Water for some armor at 57. Those Elixir of Greater Water Breathing that I bought from the AH at ~25 finally comes to use! |
| 08:07.53 | AnduinLothar | ya, those guys are kinda fun to farm |
| 08:08.18 | AnduinLothar | till the other faction decided to come farm too :/ |
| 08:08.29 | zenzelezz | hehe, true |
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| 08:11.53 | Elviso | Question: if there's X ppl in a raid, will the unit ID's always be 1-15? |
| 08:12.15 | Elviso | or could they be scattered throughout all 40 possible ID's? |
| 08:16.45 | AnduinLothar | should be through x |
| 08:18.06 | Syrsa | wowwiki says: "raidN" The N'th raid member (N is 1,2,3,...,40) Is that what you mean? |
| 08:20.09 | Elviso | yes, thanks |
| 08:20.40 | Elviso | Ok, last question for awhile :) |
| 08:20.54 | Elviso | does processing stop in a function after a return statement? |
| 08:21.22 | Elviso | say I have this function which returns a table, but I want to clear that table to save memory |
| 08:21.56 | Elviso | if I put "return mytable; mytable = {}; end;" will it reach the = {}? |
| 08:22.26 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't think so, but I'm not sure how Lua reads it |
| 08:22.54 | krka|work | if you put "return mytable; mytable = {} end" then the code won't compile |
| 08:23.06 | Elviso | ahhh I just found that out hehe |
| 08:23.19 | Syrsa | Has anybody heard of anything like this? It seems inconceivable to me. I was working on an addon 6 hours ago. Saved and tested it in WoW, worked fine. Shut down my computer. Turned it on 15 minutes ago. The entire directory for that addon has no files in it but only the folders that were in the addon directory are there with their files inside them. Trash can hasn't been emptied in over 24 hours and nothing there. Searched t |
| 08:23.36 | Elviso | well it's a moot poiunt because I'm STUPID.....it's a local table that I'm returning....argh |
| 08:24.37 | zenzelezz | what you said was trimmed after "Searched" Syrsa; but I at least haven't experienced anything like that |
| 08:24.49 | Elviso | Sure you didn't forget which dir you were working in? |
| 08:25.08 | Syrsa | Searched the computer and found nothing except backup copies modified 2 days ago. |
| 08:25.30 | Syrsa | Yeah because it worked in WoW. Just in case I did the search anyway. |
| 08:26.35 | zenzelezz | didn't run scandisk or anything like that on boot? |
| 08:27.13 | Syrsa | Nope, first thing I did was click on the shortcut to that directory. I had planned on continuing what I was doing. |
| 08:27.43 | Syrsa | Very strange... |
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| 09:09.59 | Elkano | good (whatever) :) |
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| 09:38.38 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 09:39.00 | _B | Greetings font |
| 09:40.50 | Elkano | The Germnas are coming... ;) |
| 09:41.05 | Elkano | s/Germnas/Germans/ |
| 09:41.57 | krka|work | s/The/Ze/ |
| 09:42.02 | krka|work | damn :/ |
| 09:45.03 | ComicSansMS | ^^ |
| 09:47.09 | Elkano | hmmm... from Munich... |
| 09:54.47 | Shouryuu_ | does anyone know why my /who function would work once out of 10? |
| 09:55.52 | krka|work | it is ignored when done too often |
| 09:59.26 | Shouryuu_ | It doesn't work in the sens that if I shift click on one's name in the chat frame, it returns, "0 players with that name" or whatever, and I'm *sure* he's online |
| 10:01.12 | Elkano | happens when eg you are in a bg |
| 10:01.40 | Elkano | doesn't it? |
| 10:01.46 | Shouryuu_ | it ahppens all the time |
| 10:01.52 | Shouryuu_ | I rarely get it to work |
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| 10:39.07 | tomc | do I have to escape '(' in string.format ? |
| 10:41.02 | ComicSansMS | you mean inside the "..."? |
| 10:41.40 | tomc | string.format("fnc(%q)", arg1) |
| 10:41.57 | ComicSansMS | afaik yes.. |
| 10:42.12 | tomc | or "fnc%(%q%)" |
| 10:42.21 | ComicSansMS | the latter |
| 10:42.26 | krka|work | no, not in string.format |
| 10:42.33 | krka|work | afaik |
| 10:43.01 | tomc | In don't have a lua interpreter here |
| 10:43.33 | tomc | lua -e 'print(string.format("fnc(%q)", arg1))' would prove it :) |
| 10:45.45 | ComicSansMS | krka, you were right. just tested it |
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| 10:46.04 | krka|work | basically... escaping () is just for pattern matching |
| 10:46.10 | krka|work | format is a different thing |
| 10:46.16 | tomc | sry.. chatzilla crashed |
| 10:46.26 | ComicSansMS | yeah. forgot that format() did just take a formatstring, rather than a pattern |
| 10:46.39 | tomc | ok.. thanks :) |
| 10:46.42 | ComicSansMS | i just tested it tomc, krka was right |
| 10:47.08 | tomc | I'm wereHamster btw ;) |
| 10:47.16 | tomc | aka Shag |
| 10:58.19 | tomc | .. how can I close a bug report on WoWI ? |
| 11:02.12 | tomc | never mind.. I found the admin area :) |
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| 11:04.22 | Marisa | omg |
| 11:07.15 | tomc | how can I truncate a string to let's say 40 characters ? |
| 11:08.55 | krka|work | function str_trunc(str, size) if string.len(str) <= size then return str else return string.sub(str, 1, size) end end |
| 11:09.55 | tomc | thanks |
| 11:10.06 | krka|work | this _may_ be enough: |
| 11:10.17 | krka|work | function str_trunc(str, size) return string.sub(1, size) end |
| 11:11.13 | krka|work | yes, the second one works |
| 11:11.46 | Elviso | lol, "50 DKP MINUS" guy has a new ytmnd |
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| 12:25.57 | zenzelezz | sometimes I could swear the GMs were watching me try to farm Essence of * and preventing them from dropping |
| 12:46.03 | _B | You only wish anyone would pay that much attention to you |
| 12:46.45 | zenzelezz | that too |
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| 13:01.04 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 14:19.27 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 14:19.43 | Cairenn | morning JoshBorke, how are you today? |
| 14:20.47 | JoshBorke | excellent :-) I finally used one of my mods! and it worked great! |
| 14:21.12 | JoshBorke | and earlier today the downloads was at 1024 |
| 14:21.20 | Cairenn | nice :) |
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| 14:43.53 | wereHamster | good [insert daytime] :) |
| 14:44.33 | JoshBorke | good [insert daytime] for you too |
| 14:45.07 | JoshBorke | s/for/to/ |
| 14:47.18 | Maldivia | morning |
| 14:47.31 | Maldivia | ... it's always morning :) |
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| 14:51.14 | wereHamster | and always sunshine.. except in UK :) |
| 14:52.15 | Tain | ~ugt |
| 14:52.17 | purl | i guess ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 14:54.51 | Maldivia | "The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.", Or short: "Time is irrelevent." |
| 14:57.11 | Tain | Time is on my side, yes it is. |
| 14:57.28 | wereHamster | oh.. good morning then |
| 14:58.06 | Tain | Neverwinter Nights 2 hinted at being a Fall release this year. |
| 14:59.27 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: used coolDown last night, very nice :-) exactly what I was looking for |
| 15:00.09 | wereHamster | nice to hear that :) |
| 15:00.28 | wereHamster | gotta run.. will be back in ~1h |
| 15:02.11 | JoshBorke | Tain: i'll try out the new version of VisorButtons tonight |
| 15:03.02 | JoshBorke | s/tonight/tomorrow night/ |
| 15:04.07 | Tain | Excellent! I haven't heard anything back from anyone, either good or bad. |
| 15:04.11 | Tain | All I know is it works for me. :) |
| 15:04.20 | JoshBorke | oh, also, for button swapping, here is what i think used to happen to me: on ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED I would swap the buttons with a script. What would also happen is the buttons would be swapped by the blizzard code. so now I have a double swapping and I have no idea what the actual action on the button would be |
| 15:04.57 | JoshBorke | and the texture on the button did not correspond to the actual spell either :-/ |
| 15:05.00 | Tain | Yeah, there's actually another problem too which I found, certain things on a button will trigger the Blizz UI to swap Visor's buttons back. |
| 15:05.21 | Tain | That's separate from ACTIONBAR_PAGED_CHANGED though. |
| 15:05.39 | Tain | And it only happens with a certain type of action on a button, not all. |
| 15:06.32 | JoshBorke | odd. what type of action? or do you not know yet? |
| 15:08.49 | Tain | Actually you may be able to disregard that, I might have left an onevent script enabled and not realized it, have to test. |
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| 15:12.07 | Tain | Yeah, false alarm. It was an event handler I still had running. |
| 15:17.26 | Tain | So technically it will be possible to let certain buttons respond to ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED and others ignore it. But you do have to do some planning in layout. |
| 15:18.54 | Tain | I think it might be better to write event handler scripts rather than add it to VisorButtons itself though. |
| 15:22.34 | JoshBorke | Tain: i like the fact that you can do it for only certain buttons |
| 15:23.57 | Tain | The thing is you do still have to stay within the framework of the ActionBar numbering. Well sort of. It's going to get hard though if you want say button 1 to change to button 2 on ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED |
| 15:24.19 | Tain | Letting button 1 change to button 13, that's easy. |
| 15:24.45 | Tain | Using the built in functions I mean. Using Visor to swap is fine. |
| 15:25.52 | JoshBorke | I think that is fine. I think most people are like myself who want to have buttons 1-72 work just like the blizzard action buttons, but use 73+ for random buttons that don't change all the time |
| 15:26.28 | JoshBorke | just force people to use visor to swap weird changes like button 1 with button 2 on ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED |
| 15:26.50 | Tain | Right, that adds all the flexibility you need. |
| 15:27.33 | JoshBorke | Tain: exactly. :-) |
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| 15:30.12 | JoshBorke | so is the version on the website safe to use? ie you didn't leave that event handler in? |
| 15:30.42 | Tain | It's safe, I just updated it. |
| 15:30.55 | JoshBorke | awesome, i'll use it all this weekend |
| 15:30.59 | JoshBorke | i'll have some playtime :D |
| 15:37.25 | Ktron | yich, my computer is unhappy :( |
| 15:38.12 | Maldivia | the buy something for it... :) |
| 15:38.27 | cmunn | How do I enable the developer console on a Mac? I'm having trouble finding instructions on Blizzard's site. |
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| 15:39.15 | Maldivia | which console is that ? |
| 15:39.38 | cmunn | where you hit ` and it brings up the useful console |
| 15:40.11 | Ktron | Tain, on a scale from 0 (no work at all), 1 (just a script/simple lua away), to 10 (nearly impossible, consult Iriel), how much work would it take to get ABInfo or AceButtonInfo to show how many times I can cast a spell on Visor buttons? |
| 15:40.18 | cmunn | It's the only console I know of in WoW... |
| 15:40.38 | Maldivia | there is no such console... to my knowledge :) |
| 15:40.44 | Ktron | it doens't bring up a console for me... |
| 15:40.47 | cmunn | Hrm... There's on on the PC version |
| 15:40.52 | cmunn | You just have to enable it... |
| 15:40.57 | Ktron | ? |
| 15:41.01 | Ktron | and what does it do? |
| 15:41.25 | Maldivia | and what options does it have, that you can't access otherwise ? |
| 15:41.34 | cmunn | Prints a bunch of debugging info, and makes testing scripts and stuff easier |
| 15:42.08 | Tain | Ktron is that default ABInfo behavior? There are a couple of different updates to make ABInfo work with VisorButtons. |
| 15:42.38 | Ktron | Tain, I believe so, but I haven't had luck with the one update I found anyway, I didn't know there was more than one |
| 15:42.51 | Tain | Only because of different versions of AB Info |
| 15:43.26 | Tain | Here's one working: http://www.sariash.de/sunrise/wow/ui/ABInfoVisor.zip |
| 15:43.40 | Tain | And here's an addon for the newest (I think) https://opensvn.csie.org/Ace/trunk/ABI%20Visor/ |
| 15:43.53 | Tain | That's just in SVN though, I hadn't created an archive for it. |
| 15:44.32 | Tain | The only thing you might have to do, and I forget if this is necessary, is add VisorButtons as a dependancy in ABInfo.toc. May not have to though. |
| 15:44.33 | Maldivia | cmunn: as far as I know, the console has been disabled in all released since open beta |
| 15:44.51 | Ktron | Tain, I'll definitely try it out, because that would be slick |
| 15:45.03 | Maldivia | cmunn: although I think it was accidentially activated on a test server build a while back |
| 15:45.05 | Ktron | brb, my computer needs a moment to gather its... thoughts |
| 15:46.56 | cmunn | I using it this morning on my PC... |
| 15:47.37 | cmunn | Add -console to your WoW shortcut ex: "C:\Blizzard\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe -console" |
| 15:47.46 | cmunn | (the actual game not the launcher) |
| 15:47.51 | JoshBorke | too bad i bound my mount key to ` :-( |
| 15:48.26 | cmunn | I'm sure it can be bound to something else |
| 15:50.45 | Tain | Ah.. heh.. he's right, it is enabled int he Windows client. |
| 15:50.51 | Tain | Ahhhhhm pretty sure it's not supposed to be. |
| 15:51.01 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 15:51.05 | JoshBorke | that mean no more /dump is needed? |
| 15:51.06 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 15:51.34 | cmunn | ^_^ I figured it out |
| 15:52.53 | cmunn | I can get the console to work on my mac by calling the actual executable inside the World of Warcraft.app package with -console from the terminal... now I just need to bundle that into a script |
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| 15:54.00 | Maldivia | hmm, some of the functions mentioned on the console... |
| 15:54.06 | Tain | heh yeah |
| 15:54.28 | cmunn | You can't use most of them if you're not a GM |
| 15:54.39 | JoshBorke | man, now you make me want to go try this out over my lunch break |
| 15:54.41 | cmunn | but you do get stuff like reloadui and script |
| 15:54.53 | JoshBorke | script is already available |
| 15:54.56 | Maldivia | well, /console reloadui works well for reloading :) |
| 15:55.00 | Maldivia | or /script ReloadUI() |
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| 15:55.24 | cmunn | True. |
| 15:55.42 | cmunn | but you get it all in a nice drop down console instead of having to use the chat window |
| 15:55.47 | Ktron | Tain, I don't suppose you could send me the link for the most recent versions... the text file I tried to save too is blank heh |
| 15:55.52 | cmunn | I just like it better |
| 15:56.36 | Maldivia | hmm, HeapUsage! |
| 15:56.43 | Tain | Actually most of the console commands listed just set a cvar |
| 15:56.45 | Tain | But there are a few |
| 15:56.49 | Maldivia | Iriel will like that... |
| 15:56.50 | Tain | Like HeapUsage |
| 15:57.19 | Tain | Adn ObjUsage |
| 15:57.23 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 15:57.49 | Ktron | Eraphine, most recent fix for ABInfo and Visor Buttons |
| 15:58.01 | Ktron | s/Eraphine/Er/ |
| 15:58.34 | Tain | Uh oh I'm not allowed to use that command. |
| 15:58.59 | Adrine | There are a lot of fun console commands |
| 15:58.59 | Maldivia | let me guess... port ? |
| 15:59.07 | Adrine | Unfortunately, most of them are disabled to users |
| 15:59.11 | Adrine | port, ghost, nuke :) |
| 15:59.14 | Adrine | money, god |
| 15:59.15 | Maldivia | no no... fortunately! |
| 15:59.21 | Adrine | That's true. |
| 15:59.25 | Adrine | Let me rephrase. |
| 15:59.34 | Adrine | Unfotunately, most of them are disabled to ME. :) |
| 16:00.15 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.15 | wereHamster | Godmode disabled |
| 16:00.15 | wereHamster | Godmode enabled |
| 16:00.24 | wereHamster | NEED ! |
| 16:00.30 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 16:00.41 | Adrine | I found two things from the console: |
| 16:00.54 | Adrine | First, showLowDetail to toggle off the horizon profile geometry can get you a LOT of FPS back |
| 16:01.08 | Adrine | Second, issuing a gxrestart when you change zones likewise reclaims a lot of FPS |
| 16:01.10 | Tain | Ktron: http://crushingdreams.com/Visor/ABIVisor.zip works with ABInfo v11000a |
| 16:01.34 | Ktron | Thanks a bunch Tain |
| 16:01.39 | Tain | You just have to type idkfa in the console |
| 16:02.33 | Ktron | heheheh, 'i don't know fucking anything?' |
| 16:04.16 | Tain | Ktron: I only tested enough to see that it loaded and seemed to work in a single quick slaughter of a boar, so I can't say there's absolutely no issues. |
| 16:04.59 | Ktron | alright, well... if I find extensive issues, I will let you know :) |
| 16:05.12 | Tain | Ok. Excellent! |
| 16:07.50 | Maldivia | hmm... CombatLogRange* cvars... |
| 16:08.39 | Adrine | There are a metric ton of camera cVars |
| 16:08.52 | Adrine | I've been tempted to catalog and organize them, and write a mod for camera manipulation |
| 16:09.09 | Adrine | It would be really neato to be able to programmatically move the camera. Would make filming movies so much cleaner. |
| 16:09.38 | JoshBorke | like kids in a candy store... |
| 16:10.03 | Adrine | But then, I have a bunch of mod ideas on the table |
| 16:10.07 | Adrine | Here's one I have in my bag |
| 16:10.16 | Adrine | Relatively simple, but would be really handy |
| 16:10.20 | Adrine | A guildie suggested it |
| 16:10.36 | Adrine | Basically, now that we can remap the XP bar to show reputation, have the rep shown change based on zone |
| 16:10.54 | Adrine | So, if you're in the plaguelands, you can configure it to show AD faction, Felwood and Winterspring are Timbermaw, etc. |
| 16:10.54 | JoshBorke | that wouldn't be too hard. but what about rep changes that cross zones? |
| 16:11.09 | Adrine | Well, just make it user configurable |
| 16:11.16 | Adrine | So I can say "show this bar for this zone" |
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| 16:13.28 | Maldivia | Adrine: you asked about that on the forums, right ? |
| 16:15.20 | Adrine | I don't believe so |
| 16:15.26 | Adrine | Just hada guildie mention it to me last night |
| 16:15.31 | Adrine | I promised her I'd put it in my idea bag |
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| 16:15.37 | Adrine | Want to finish my Sanity overhaul first. |
| 16:15.51 | Maldivia | hehe... > SkySunGlare SunGlare enabled. Dont look directly at it. |
| 16:15.57 | Adrine | That cracks me up |
| 16:16.36 | Adrine | Anyone have access to a copy of wow.exe that could send it to me? |
| 16:16.43 | Adrine | I want to run it through strings myself. |
| 16:16.47 | Adrine | And I'm at work. |
| 16:17.44 | Adrine | Also |
| 16:17.52 | Adrine | I ran that loadtime reduction addon last night |
| 16:17.56 | Adrine | Holy CRAP what a difference. |
| 16:18.04 | Adrine | We're talking 2-3 second zoning times |
| 16:18.39 | Tain | Which one? There's a bunch that popped up and some are really ah.. well not the best in the way they do things. |
| 16:18.45 | Tain | Even though they do cut down load times. |
| 16:19.13 | Adrine | ntmysFixLoadingTimes |
| 16:19.29 | Wobin_ | Ah, that one cuts you off at the knees... |
| 16:19.33 | Tain | hehe |
| 16:19.38 | Adrine | How so? |
| 16:19.39 | Tain | There's been a lot of talk about that one. |
| 16:19.44 | Adrine | Didn't seem to hurt me last night. |
| 16:19.45 | [MoonWolf] | may i promote Catalyst for having at least a decent way of handeling this tuff. |
| 16:19.54 | Wobin_ | I have been =P |
| 16:20.04 | Adrine | I'll check out Catalysa |
| 16:20.06 | Wobin_ | It's all about methodologies, Adrine =) |
| 16:20.11 | Tain | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4827 |
| 16:20.14 | Tain | Is Catalyst |
| 16:20.20 | Tain | And I also endorse it. |
| 16:20.24 | Tain | I'm Wilfred Brimley. |
| 16:20.27 | Wobin_ | I think Clad posted a good description of what each of the addons do and how they do it in the comments of Catalyst |
| 16:20.38 | [MoonWolf] | I am a person of no significance and i suport catalyst! |
| 16:20.53 | Wobin_ | I heartily endorse this product and/or service! |
| 16:21.00 | Adrine | I haven't looked at the source for any of 'em yet |
| 16:21.10 | Adrine | They work, and I was just all "Hey, neato!" :) |
| 16:21.35 | Adrine | ... |
| 16:21.44 | Adrine | Wobin, I just realized that you're the one that posted in the WoW LJ comm |
| 16:21.47 | Tain | Yeah it's definitely a well-needed idea. |
| 16:21.48 | [MoonWolf] | well, one goes and changes the way every addon parented to uiparent and its children hooking. |
| 16:21.59 | Adrine | I saw that last night after I installed the one I mentioned. |
| 16:22.02 | Adrine | Hahaha. |
| 16:22.07 | Tain | Unfortunatly an idea that was brought up by people six months ago and only now is getting recognized by others. :) |
| 16:22.13 | [MoonWolf] | Catalyst disrupts the hook chain while the player is zoning |
| 16:22.26 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 16:22.39 | Wobin_ | You adrine on LJ too? |
| 16:22.49 | Adrine | Antiarc |
| 16:22.50 | [MoonWolf] | pretty clean, not the most elegent solution but clean enough |
| 16:22.53 | cmunn | http://pastebin.com/657922 The script should (if not in a raid) return "player" if id = number of players in party, or "party" .. id if id is < number of players in party, but at the end of the function unit always == nil? |
| 16:22.57 | Adrine | Adrine's just my main's name in-game |
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| 16:24.30 | JoshBorke | cmunn: use GetNumRaidMembers() > 0 |
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| 16:25.56 | cmunn | Oh snap, because 0 is true in LUA |
| 16:26.04 | wereHamster | and GetNumPartyMembers() |
| 16:26.12 | Tain | No, 0 is just non-nil |
| 16:26.12 | wereHamster | no.. ignore that |
| 16:26.33 | cmunn | touch? |
| 16:26.44 | Maldivia | Tain: non-nil and non-false :) |
| 16:26.46 | JoshBorke | 0 is just non-nil/non-false |
| 16:26.50 | Adrine | "if 0" evaluates to true |
| 16:27.09 | Wobin_ | Oh phew |
| 16:27.13 | Wobin_ | Miravalix isn't on |
| 16:27.19 | Adrine | Because only nil/false evaluate to false |
| 16:27.27 | Wobin_ | I was afraid it would have blown up into a horrible argument |
| 16:27.30 | Adrine | Heh. |
| 16:27.41 | Adrine | It depends on what the meaning of "false" is. |
| 16:27.52 | Wobin_ | Don't -you- start =P |
| 16:27.54 | cmunn | Oh my god, that just fixed my entire script |
| 16:27.59 | cmunn | Wow, I feel stupid |
| 16:28.01 | Adrine | I mean, if "false" means "blue", then it's not false. But if it means nil, then it...I can't do it. |
| 16:28.19 | Wobin_ | It's a lot of work =P |
| 16:28.56 | Wobin_ | on one hand, I'm often impressed that he can be so... ... |
| 16:29.00 | wereHamster | lua -e 'if (0) then print("true") end' => true |
| 16:29.03 | Wobin_ | curmudgeonish |
| 16:29.16 | Adrine | wereHamster: THat's the exact test I used :) |
| 16:29.24 | Adrine | Interestingly, "" evaluates to true as well. |
| 16:29.34 | Adrine | Which is a kick in the pants coming from years of PHP |
| 16:29.34 | Wobin_ | if string =P |
| 16:29.37 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 16:29.51 | Maldivia | everything that's not nil and not false will evaluate to "true" |
| 16:29.54 | Wobin_ | working with form entries =P |
| 16:30.30 | Adrine | "Last night Yahoo! Maps beta released 1-meter/pixel resolution color satellite photos for the entire continental US. " |
| 16:30.31 | Adrine | ...wow. |
| 16:30.39 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 16:30.43 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.46 | Wobin_ | That's... scarily accurate |
| 16:31.01 | Adrine | "Google Earth still has most populated areas in the US (and other parts of the world) at much higher resolution than 1-meter/pixel. In fact, many in GE are at 1-foot/pixel and even 3 inches/pixel." |
| 16:31.17 | Tain | That sure makes my life as a stalker easier. |
| 16:31.35 | Wobin_ | I can see your house.... I can see your room.... I can see your underwear... |
| 16:31.54 | Maldivia | 1 meter/pixel... so a 1600x1200 image will be almost one square mile |
| 16:32.37 | Adrine | Heh. I had a dream last night that I got banned from WoW for using an exploit that let me skip the queue. ;_; |
| 16:33.03 | Adrine | Dreaming about WoW is bad enough. |
| 16:33.10 | Adrine | Dreaming about WoW -queues- is a cry for help. |
| 16:33.31 | Corrodias | i don't suppose you remember the exploit? ;P |
| 16:33.35 | Tain | Actually Adrine that wasn't a dream, you haven't checked your email yet have you |
| 16:33.58 | Adrine | I remember that when the game first came out, you could skip the queue by hitting "cancel" at the "Connecting" dialog. |
| 16:34.15 | Adrine | It would push you past the queue and right into character selection when you re-selected your realm. |
| 16:34.28 | Tain | If you just selected another server you'd go right in, yeah. |
| 16:34.41 | Tain | Or selected whatever server from the realm list. |
| 16:34.43 | Adrine | Right, so I'd just bounce servers over to my main server |
| 16:35.06 | Adrine | I only got to use it for like 3 days before they fixed it though. Heh. |
| 16:36.16 | Adrine | But no, Corrodias, I don't remember it. :P |
| 16:37.53 | Maldivia | changing the cvars ConsoleLogRange* seems to work :) |
| 16:38.20 | Adrine | I hadn't experiemented with it a lot, but it seems that could be used for more accurate Recap readings. |
| 16:38.50 | Maldivia | yeah, changed it to 150, and standing at the big statue at the end of IF entrance, I got the combat spam from the duel area |
| 16:38.55 | Corrodias | aw |
| 16:39.12 | Corrodias | duel arena? |
| 16:39.26 | Maldivia | just area :) |
| 16:39.35 | Corrodias | oh, then i know what you mean |
| 16:39.37 | Maldivia | there's always duels outside of IF :) |
| 16:39.50 | Corrodias | i never saw ironforge, but i assume the pvp outside is just like orgrimmar |
| 16:40.42 | Adrine | The spot outside the gates of Ironforge is the designated dueling area |
| 16:41.06 | Adrine | If you wander out there, you are subject to duel challenges a-plenty and lag the likes of which mere mortals cannot hope to survive. |
| 16:41.43 | Corrodias | in that case, it's on a much larger scale than org's, at least on (what was) my mid population server |
| 16:44.37 | Adrine | Alliance tends to have a larger population, so yeah. |
| 16:44.46 | Adrine | Ironforge is bar none the central Alliance city. |
| 16:45.13 | Adrine | Easy access to everywhere on the EK and one FP away from Menethil, which is how most Alliance get to Kalimdor |
| 16:45.17 | Wobin_ | Well, definitely before the linked AHs |
| 16:45.30 | Wobin_ | Population has spread slightly since the change |
| 16:45.53 | Adrine | There are some people in Stormwind now |
| 16:45.55 | Adrine | But not man |
| 16:45.56 | Adrine | many. |
| 16:45.57 | Corrodias | same on the horde side. thunder bluff gets way more traffic than before. |
| 16:46.03 | Adrine | But really, Stormwind is just a suburb of Ironforge. |
| 16:46.09 | Wobin_ | TB is perfect for AH mules |
| 16:46.23 | Wobin_ | 3 seconds from mailbox to AH in a straight line |
| 16:46.26 | Corrodias | the busiest places, when i quit, were still orgrimmar and crossroads |
| 16:46.28 | Wobin_ | it's the best of the lot of them |
| 16:48.12 | Tain | And Darnassus still has no pupose. |
| 16:49.00 | _B | Blizzard have said they are re-making Darnassus, at some point |
| 16:49.00 | Corrodias | as i understood it, the main purpose of darnassus was to piss off the NE players who had to get across the ocean |
| 16:50.22 | Adrine | Darnassus is completely useless. |
| 16:50.37 | Adrine | Unless you want to go rack up DKs without having to deal with defenders |
| 16:51.58 | Wobin_ | Darnassus sucks =P |
| 16:52.13 | Wobin_ | I mean, IF has a gutter between the AH and the mailbox. Darnassus has a lake =P |
| 16:52.30 | Adrine | I also had a dream last night that they put grates over the gutter |
| 16:52.36 | Adrine | I was very sad for some reason. |
| 16:53.33 | _B | I think dreaming about WoW improvements does make you sad yes |
| 16:53.58 | _B | As I do just dreaming about WoW at all |
| 16:54.36 | Adrine | Heh. It likely has something to do with the fact that I was WoWing right before bed last night :) |
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| 16:59.17 | Wobin_ | I had a WoW dream |
| 16:59.28 | Wobin_ | It involved mid air gnome gryphon to gryphon transfers |
| 16:59.34 | Wobin_ | It was very exciting |
| 16:59.38 | Gryphen | :o |
| 16:59.39 | Adrine | ... |
| 16:59.54 | Wobin_ | I think I was abusing some lag bug |
| 16:59.57 | Adrine | Like, refueling gryphons in mid-air by feeding them gnomes? |
| 17:00.07 | Codayus | hmmm, looks like its official. A guildmaster of an MC guild onmy server (currently stuck on rag) did a /gdisband, transferred, and took the guild bank with him. Bunch of cores and boe tier 1. :-/ |
| 17:00.14 | Adrine | Yeowch. |
| 17:00.21 | Wobin_ | nah, I would be flying, then abuse this lag bug, dismount midair, and land on another gryphon =) |
| 17:00.26 | Adrine | Hahah, nice |
| 17:00.32 | Adrine | I like my idea better though. |
| 17:00.58 | Codayus | apparently he was tired of being a guild leader, and wanted to go somewhere wherehe wasn't known. after ninjaing a guild bank, I can see why... |
| 17:00.59 | Wobin_ | I want inflight peanuts on long gryphon flights, like SW to EP |
| 17:01.13 | Wobin_ | Codayus: Yes, that would do it |
| 17:01.47 | Adrine | Oy. |
| 17:01.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@rhhe10-109.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 17:02.04 | Adrine | We have our bank split up among all our officers, actually. |
| 17:02.16 | Adrine | So any one person could get quite a haul, but not a ton of stuff. |
| 17:02.20 | Codayus | heh, probably wise. |
| 17:02.42 | Adrine | It's actually done that way for efficiency |
| 17:02.49 | Adrine | Because there is no way one person can handle everything. |
| 17:02.58 | Adrine | Our guild bank serves ~700 characters |
| 17:03.15 | Codayus | I was actually in a guild alliance with that guild. we left due to, as we saw it, terminal asshatery on the part of their leadership. a couple of their officers came with us....most didn't. we tried to warn them.... |
| 17:03.15 | Adrine | I tried running it solo for about a week when we first started. Sanity was the result. |
| 17:03.22 | Codayus | heh. |
| 17:03.34 | Codayus | thats an impressive number |
| 17:03.50 | Adrine | It's more of a 4-guild metaguild |
| 17:04.02 | Adrine | Not a raiding alliance - just a guild with subguilds, if that makes sense |
| 17:04.07 | Codayus | ah |
| 17:04.30 | Adrine | Most of us know each other outside of WoW, and we've picked up in-game alliances |
| 17:04.38 | Adrine | So there's less fear of people running off with stuff. |
| 17:04.45 | Codayus | I know of one on our server a bit like that. one raiding guild, one casual guild...very closely allied. |
| 17:04.54 | Codayus | essentially one guild without a common m/guild channel |
| 17:05.28 | Adrine | We actually almost have a guild channel. We have an addon I hacked together from an older addon that allows clean item linking on non-linkable channels. :D |
| 17:05.41 | Adrine | In practice, it functions nearly exactly like a guild. |
| 17:05.46 | Adrine | except my guild is the best. >_> |
| 17:06.23 | Codayus | I've used a mod called Persistance of Chattiness for ages - makes custom channel "sticky". the only problem is item links, which don't bother us much, and the channel limit...which sucks. |
| 17:06.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine|Lab (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu) |
| 17:06.39 | Adrine | The channel limit is suckage. |
| 17:07.04 | Adrine | My mod does sticky and linking (without spamming the channel), but requires 2 channels to run - the "chat" channel and the "command" channel for addon comms. |
| 17:07.16 | Adrine | Which is definitely the biggest downside. |
| 17:07.23 | Codayus | guild healer channel + guild alliance channel + a channel some people from an old guild I was in hang out in + ctra channel + sw_stats sync channel... |
| 17:07.36 | Adrine | I've got...let's see |
| 17:07.58 | Adrine | metaguild channel, metaguild command channel, rogue/priest channel (depending on char), officers channel, ctra channel... |
| 17:08.30 | Codayus | oh, heh, you'd need a seperate officers chan for a meta guild, wouldn't you... |
| 17:08.33 | Adrine | Yeah |
| 17:08.55 | Adrine | It gives a great stratification though. |
| 17:09.02 | Codayus | I kep hitting the channel limit...causes weird problems when ctra can't allocate a channel to join. :-) |
| 17:09.25 | Adrine | The channel limit is my bane. |
| 17:09.27 | Adrine | :( |
| 17:09.47 | Codayus | I don't really understand why it even exists. |
| 17:09.55 | Adrine | Tech considerations, I guess. |
| 17:10.03 | Adrine | Though...that gives me an idea. |
| 17:10.20 | Adrine | I wonder if you could write an addon that would be a "channel simulator" |
| 17:10.38 | Corrodias | with a "server" player? >_> |
| 17:10.48 | Adrine | So you could read and write to channel aliases and it's all taken care of under the hood on a single actual channel. |
| 17:10.58 | Codayus | maybe I could permentatly leave general. nothing good ever happens on general... |
| 17:10.58 | Corrodias | massive amounts of private messaging.. hahah. ah. but doesn't it have a limit on how fast you can send messages? |
| 17:11.01 | Codayus | Oh! I forgot one channel. My server has a permenant and very widely used /endgame channel for recruiting pugs and stuff |
| 17:11.22 | Adrine | I generally leave LFG, which frees a slot |
| 17:11.26 | Corrodias | General in the Barrens is the only General worth seeing. |
| 17:11.35 | Adrine | I leave general on for amusement and the occassional poor noob who genuinely needs help |
| 17:12.32 | Adrine | The more I think about it, the more I like that idea. |
| 17:12.47 | Adrine | An addon which effectively removes the channel limit by simulating multiple channels on a single channel. |
| 17:13.01 | Adrine | You'd have security concerns to worry about, but beyond that, shouldn't be too hard. |
| 17:13.06 | Codayus | soooo....I'm on a train. and the guy in front of me is on his cellphone is talking about how he wants to kill someone...a gf I think |
| 17:13.06 | Adrine | Plus, you could make a nice clean API for it. |
| 17:13.13 | Adrine | ... |
| 17:13.16 | Codayus | And he's doing it in the creepiest and mst convincing voice I've ever heard |
| 17:13.27 | Adrine | Maybe he's auditioning for a part. |
| 17:13.44 | Adrine | THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE TRAIN! |
| 17:13.49 | Codayus | He's talking about why nobody believes him...and how people hurt him so badly...and...dude, he's freaking me out |
| 17:13.58 | Adrine | that's....kinda scary |
| 17:14.15 | Codayus | now he's protesting that he couldn't have vandalized his own car....it could't have been him...I think he's about to cry |
| 17:14.21 | Adrine | Wow. |
| 17:14.40 | Codayus | I <3 public transportation. |
| 17:14.47 | Corrodias | punch him in the ass |
| 17:14.52 | Adrine | I wonder how we'd behave socially if we knew that our public actions and words were being transmitted onto the internet. |
| 17:14.56 | Adrine | Like, all the time. |
| 17:14.57 | Corrodias | go on. i want to hear about what happens. |
| 17:14.59 | Adrine | For anyone to see. |
| 17:15.14 | Wobin_ | How are you 'netted' up on the train? |
| 17:15.14 | Codayus | Yeah, aparently he's talking to his mom... |
| 17:15.30 | Adrine | People are so interesting. Occassionally scary, but interesting. |
| 17:15.33 | Codayus | gprs modem in a pcmciaa form factor in a pda/hpc. |
| 17:16.03 | Codayus | Since you ask. :-) |
| 17:16.45 | Adrine | Awesome. |
| 17:16.46 | Codayus | pda runs a ssh client to a *nix server where I'm running irssi inside screen. There, your daily RDA of tech geekery. |
| 17:17.45 | Codayus | hmm, one of those dailys was redundant...meh. |
| 17:20.00 | Osagasu | qwertyuiopasdfghjkl;:zxcvbnm,.? |
| 17:20.11 | Adrine | Congratulations, your keyboard works. |
| 17:20.14 | Osagasu | >.>; |
| 17:20.31 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:20.33 | Osagasu | actually, it doesn''t |
| 17:20.43 | Adrine | Mind-typing? |
| 17:20.44 | Maldivia | Osagasu: you're missing: æøå :) |
| 17:20.50 | Osagasu | using software keyboard |
| 17:20.51 | Codayus | qwertyuiop\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,. |
| 17:20.56 | Codayus | I can do it too! |
| 17:21.05 | Osagasu | >.< |
| 17:21.19 | Maldivia | qwertyuiopå"asdfghjklæø'<zxcvbnm,.- |
| 17:21.30 | Osagasu | No games for me. *sob* |
| 17:21.56 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ForgottenLords (n=Forgotte@059.216-123-195-0.interbaun.com) |
| 17:22.38 | Crispix | no its not |
| 17:22.43 | Crispix | There's also myspace. |
| 17:22.46 | Adrine | Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. |
| 17:22.52 | Crispix | You can make a whole buncha emo posts about it |
| 17:23.34 | Crispix | Someone care to help revive a post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-suggestions&t=782802&s=new&tmp=1#new ? |
| 17:23.43 | Corrodias | suicide is how emos keep themselves in check |
| 17:23.43 | Osagasu | I find Blogger to be better for emo posts. |
| 17:23.47 | Corrodias | we never have to fear an emo revolution |
| 17:23.55 | JoshBorke | ckknight: morning |
| 17:24.19 | Codayus | emo posts belong on livejournal |
| 17:24.23 | Codayus | uit's their natural home |
| 17:25.24 | Adrine | Quick query: |
| 17:25.37 | Adrine | Is there an easy method for click-drag resizing of a frame? |
| 17:25.37 | Corrodias | SELECT * FROM user_tables; |
| 17:25.42 | Adrine | Har har. |
| 17:25.46 | Corrodias | that's as quick a query as i can write |
| 17:25.55 | Adrine | Or do I need to manually capture mousedown/move? |
| 17:26.20 | Adrine | I'd want to restrict bounds, and I'd want to have it only size horizontally. |
| 17:26.25 | Adrine | (column headers) |
| 17:29.05 | kremonte | er Crispix? |
| 17:29.20 | Crispix | yes kremonte my friend? |
| 17:29.27 | kremonte | pulling onyxia guards to sw? lol? |
| 17:29.35 | Crispix | Happened last night man |
| 17:29.43 | kremonte | it's part of the onyxia attunement chain.. |
| 17:29.45 | Adrine | Onyxia's guards spawn in the throne room as part of the Onyxia key questline. |
| 17:29.53 | kremonte | after jailbreak you lead windsor through SW |
| 17:29.56 | Crispix | Then they need to stay in the throne room |
| 17:30.03 | kremonte | finally he gets to the queen, "omg youre onyxia u fag" |
| 17:30.13 | kremonte | the onyxia is like "f off nub heres some elitez" |
| 17:30.16 | kremonte | eh |
| 17:30.17 | Adrine | I'm a big fan of high-level elites randomly pwning cities, myself. |
| 17:30.19 | Crispix | OR they need to make it so other players can't see the guards |
| 17:30.23 | Codayus | best summation....ever... |
| 17:30.24 | Osagasu | lawl. :P |
| 17:30.38 | Adrine | Because the death penalty is so minor that it's worth the laugh, even when it happens to you. |
| 17:30.42 | kremonte | if the elites get out, they will stay on a guard and eventually die to them |
| 17:30.46 | Adrine | Plus, it adds some flavor. |
| 17:30.49 | kremonte | the cleave is easily avoidable, and if you die to it |
| 17:30.49 | Codayus | anyhow, it's fine, lern2laugh |
| 17:30.52 | kremonte | well, sucks2bu |
| 17:31.21 | Crispix | Walking into the AH last night with armor lit up like a yellow Xmas tree, AT 40..... and then only to be eaten by a 60+ elite? Turning my armor into a xmas tree on fire? THATS NOT COOL :( |
| 17:31.27 | Codayus | (if they get out of the throne room at all, that is. and I've seen the event dozens of times, and they never do) |
| 17:31.33 | kremonte | um |
| 17:31.37 | kremonte | 1. you won't take aggro on it |
| 17:31.43 | kremonte | unless you attacked it and you shouldn't be complaining |
| 17:31.48 | Corrodias | i'm so sick of this song... Dire Straits - Money For Nothing |
| 17:31.49 | Adrine | As long as you just avoid the cleave, you should be ok. |
| 17:31.49 | Crispix | It attacked me :( |
| 17:31.50 | kremonte | 2. the cleave threat is minimal, they don't have that much HP |
| 17:31.54 | kremonte | less than 20k |
| 17:32.01 | Adrine | Plus, learning to avoid cleaves is a valuable endgame skill! :) |
| 17:32.02 | Crispix | I didn't do anything to it.. and it attacked me :( |
| 17:32.10 | Adrine | You probably got smacked with a cleave. |
| 17:32.15 | kremonte | yeah, "You got cleaved bitch" |
| 17:32.19 | Adrine | Which does hurt, granted., |
| 17:32.20 | kremonte | i guess onyxia didn't liek u |
| 17:32.24 | Adrine | But it's pretty easy to avoid if you know it's there. |
| 17:32.30 | Codayus | stay out of cleabe range. :) |
| 17:32.37 | kremonte | when i just started playing, i was hanging out with my friend (who was lvl 30) |
| 17:32.38 | Adrine | Or just behind the mob |
| 17:32.39 | kremonte | i was 14 |
| 17:32.45 | kremonte | he's like "omg sw event, lets gogogo" |
| 17:32.56 | kremonte | he made me go into the throne room |
| 17:32.57 | kremonte | and i died |
| 17:33.03 | kremonte | and i lol'd UNLIKE YOU BECAUSE ONYXIA H8S U |
| 17:33.04 | Codayus | heh |
| 17:33.06 | kremonte | true story |
| 17:33.58 | Adrine | I wish they'd fix the Ony buff problem. |
| 17:34.10 | Adrine | So irritating to put up a head and not get the buff 95% of the time. |
| 17:34.11 | kremonte | Dear Iriel, |
| 17:34.17 | kremonte | Add /gx to restart GX in DevTools |
| 17:34.18 | kremonte | <3 Krem |
| 17:35.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-64-161-16-97.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 17:36.50 | Wobin_ | Corrodias: And the chicks for free =P |
| 17:37.01 | Wobin_ | Cause we like to install Microwave ovens |
| 17:37.08 | Wobin_ | Custom kitchen deliverererereries... |
| 17:37.30 | JoshBorke | morning Kirov |
| 17:37.47 | Osagasu | I find it frustratingthat only the trae dist gets the buffs. |
| 17:37.55 | Osagasu | *trade |
| 17:38.35 | Kirov | mornin' |
| 17:38.59 | JoshBorke | hm, should i just be lazy and make catalyst a dep for my mod and not make the leave/enter world optimizations... |
| 17:39.01 | JoshBorke | i'm so tempted |
| 17:39.12 | Corrodias | catalyst.. that doesn't sound familiar |
| 17:39.21 | Wobin_ | Not the point JB =P |
| 17:39.30 | JoshBorke | lol wobin :D |
| 17:40.00 | Kirov | Or we can just be lazy and let slouken do it for us in 2 months |
| 17:40.02 | kremonte | how can i do escapes in a pattern? :X |
| 17:40.08 | kremonte | i want to replace [ and ] with "" |
| 17:40.15 | Crispix | *Sneeze..* ...*sneeze* |
| 17:40.21 | kremonte | \[ and \] doesn't work because LUA IS EVIL |
| 17:40.21 | kremonte | ;( |
| 17:40.34 | JoshBorke | did you try [[]? or []]? |
| 17:40.52 | kremonte | yes |
| 17:41.12 | Kirov | kremonte - string.gsub(text, "[%[%]]", "") ? |
| 17:41.13 | kremonte | ah |
| 17:41.14 | kremonte | % |
| 17:41.18 | kremonte | yeah just remembered |
| 17:41.23 | kremonte | from when somebody told me to do %% |
| 17:41.27 | kremonte | but it screwed up in their irc client |
| 17:41.31 | kremonte | and only showed me % |
| 17:41.33 | Wobin_ | %%? |
| 17:41.36 | kremonte | so i cried for 40 days and nights |
| 17:41.37 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 17:41.40 | kremonte | Wobin_: yeah, for a % |
| 17:41.41 | Wobin_ | Works on my client |
| 17:41.43 | kremonte | but i had to do %% |
| 17:41.45 | Kirov | hehe |
| 17:41.45 | kremonte | and i was like |
| 17:41.46 | kremonte | wtf qq |
| 17:41.48 | Wobin_ | Yeah, I was just testing =) |
| 17:42.24 | kremonte | sp00fer v2 is pwnage |
| 17:42.40 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 17:42.41 | kremonte | it has link previews and all sorts of cool stuff. |
| 17:42.48 | kremonte | to spoof links =^) |
| 17:43.02 | Kirov | you're able to remove the [s? |
| 17:43.24 | Tain | Oh geez |
| 17:43.44 | Tain | Why not just make a #OMGZLOLZISPOOFFFRER channel |
| 17:44.05 | kremonte | eh? |
| 17:44.06 | kremonte | what? |
| 17:44.28 | Kirov | I'm hoping it'll get fixed for 1.10.2 |
| 17:44.32 | Kirov | but, probably not |
| 17:44.33 | Tain | This spoofing nonsense was old the first time around. |
| 17:44.36 | Kirov | more likely 1.10 |
| 17:44.38 | kremonte | ... |
| 17:44.43 | kremonte | wow Tain, you're really bitter today |
| 17:44.46 | Kirov | er, 1.11 |
| 17:44.54 | kremonte | i asked for help, am glad it works, and mention it once and you go berserk |
| 17:44.56 | Tain | It isn't just today. |
| 17:44.57 | Kirov | It's a super easy fix, if item id = 0, go boom |
| 17:45.14 | kremonte | honestly Tain. calm down. |
| 17:45.24 | Corrodias | CALM DOWN TAIN |
| 17:45.33 | Corrodias | OMG STOP FLIPPING OUT |
| 17:45.36 | Adrine | Oh, wow |
| 17:45.36 | Adrine | This is neato. |
| 17:45.38 | Tain | Sorry I don't get a hardon for spoofing links, it's my bad. |
| 17:45.41 | Adrine | Google Calendar |
| 17:45.44 | Adrine | You can share calendars |
| 17:45.46 | kremonte | you are really fucking bitter, huh? |
| 17:45.49 | Adrine | I'm thinking raid calendars. |
| 17:45.54 | Tain | Google Calendar is really fun, I was playing with it this morning. |
| 17:46.01 | Corrodias | holy shit, that sounds useful for large guilds. |
| 17:46.41 | Adrine | Yes. |
| 17:46.45 | Adrine | It's really slick. |
| 17:46.50 | Kirov | kremonte - I'm assuming this is a personal mod, yes? |
| 17:46.54 | kremonte | yes.. |
| 17:46.56 | Kirov | good |
| 17:47.04 | Kirov | I want to smack people who actually release these |
| 17:47.07 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:47.11 | kremonte | yea, it's stupid |
| 17:47.17 | kremonte | it's fun learning though, i have a really complex button |
| 17:47.24 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:47.27 | kremonte | but it's a button and that's why it's cool. |
| 17:48.27 | Kirov | My version I can enter in an item id, see if it's real or not (gets a tooltip) as well as gives me an edit box with the real name, and the name I wanted to change it to, and I can also set the rarity or enter in my own color code for use with the item:0:0:0:0 items |
| 17:48.56 | kremonte | hm |
| 17:49.05 | kremonte | ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR[6].hex is different |
| 17:49.10 | kremonte | than 1.9 |
| 17:49.23 | Crispix | *falls over laughing* Apparently ... Sony is having putting the Playstation 3 together because its components are too big.... http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/04/13/ps3_currently_too_big_and_too_clever.html *falls over laughing again.* |
| 17:49.31 | Kirov | I can also enter in color codes in the name, so I can do rainbow text, etc. |
| 17:49.38 | kremonte | yea |
| 17:49.41 | kremonte | i can do |n |c etc |
| 17:50.41 | kremonte | wierd, i'm getting periodically disconnected |
| 17:50.47 | kremonte | (even with spoofer disabled) |
| 17:50.54 | kremonte | just... *dc*... run... *dc* |
| 17:51.15 | Kirov | Did you make a couple of bad links? |
| 17:51.27 | kremonte | even with it disabled i said :O |
| 17:51.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Aalny (i=user@thor.ics.usc.edu) |
| 17:51.52 | kremonte | with all item linking mods disabled(spoofer, getlink, linkerator) it still periodically dc's me |
| 17:51.54 | kremonte | wierd :/ |
| 17:52.08 | Kirov | If you make too many bad links over a certain amount of time they eventually stop letting you see new link information at all. |
| 17:52.19 | kremonte | huh? |
| 17:52.26 | Kirov | They might of gone more hardcore with this patch and just outright disconnect you. |
| 17:52.26 | kremonte | what do you mean bad links :Q |
| 17:52.53 | Kirov | kremonte - links that actually disconnect you, or you do SetHyperlinks to non valid ids |
| 17:52.53 | kremonte | they'll never steal my level 10 gun of sorcery with crusader! BLASPHEMY I SAY |
| 17:53.27 | kremonte | oh, yeah |
| 17:53.29 | Kirov | meh, I like my azursong mage blade of twain with elementium wire |
| 17:53.31 | kremonte | i'm not doinga nything link-wise atm |
| 17:53.43 | kremonte | you can't have mageblade of twain in 1.10.. |
| 17:53.44 | kremonte | ._. |
| 17:53.50 | kremonte | DC'd again |
| 17:53.53 | Kirov | You can |
| 17:53.56 | kremonte | eh? |
| 17:53.59 | Kirov | it just can't link to a mageblade |
| 17:54.01 | Kirov | ;) |
| 17:54.04 | kremonte | oh |
| 17:54.04 | kremonte | lol |
| 17:54.06 | kremonte | ;) |
| 17:55.06 | kremonte | this is bloody annoying |
| 17:55.45 | Crispix | How is it paris hilton after I get to her with a spork kremmy? |
| 17:56.03 | kremonte | ....what? |
| 17:56.11 | Crispix | Bloody Annoying. |
| 17:56.17 | Crispix | Paris hilton after I attack her with a spork. |
| 17:56.20 | kremonte | ahahaha. |
| 17:56.35 | Crispix | :D |
| 17:57.14 | kremonte | and again |
| 17:57.15 | kremonte | wtf -_-" |
| 17:57.20 | kremonte | this isn't even on any specific event |
| 17:57.46 | Kirov | kremonte - disable all your mods? |
| 17:57.56 | kremonte | yea |
| 17:58.04 | kremonte | happened 3 mins 19 secs after login |
| 17:58.05 | Kirov | weird |
| 17:58.09 | kremonte | i'm timing it now /angry |
| 17:58.18 | Kirov | someone at blizzard hates you |
| 17:58.29 | kremonte | ...probably slouken |
| 18:00.44 | kremonte | and again |
| 18:00.46 | kremonte | fghdnghjhsfghfgh |
| 18:01.02 | Kirov | Try an alt? |
| 18:01.12 | kremonte | have been hopping on alts this whole time logging in |
| 18:01.13 | kremonte | ;( |
| 18:01.23 | Kirov | another server? |
| 18:01.44 | kremonte | have been going from Warsong and Anetheron |
| 18:01.45 | kremonte | >< |
| 18:02.49 | Kirov | log out going messages? |
| 18:03.11 | kremonte | huh? |
| 18:03.25 | Kirov | hook SendChatMessage and add each entry to a table. |
| 18:03.30 | Kirov | Then see what got sent |
| 18:03.42 | Kirov | after you disconnect |
| 18:03.51 | kremonte | er |
| 18:03.53 | kremonte | it's a hard disconnect |
| 18:03.56 | kremonte | it wouldn't cache the table |
| 18:04.08 | Ktron|afk | does the 'ignore some events on zoning' addon still affect gameplay? |
| 18:04.41 | cmunn | is there a function to get a unit's zone? |
| 18:04.58 | cmunn | like: UnitZone("player") |
| 18:05.04 | cmunn | (but UnitZone doesn't work) |
| 18:05.27 | Kirov | kremonte - erm, my personal mod has a couple of random variables in ## SavedVariables: that I save these kind of things to |
| 18:05.32 | Kirov | Even on hard disconnect it should save it |
| 18:05.39 | Kirov | cmunn - not to my knowledge |
| 18:05.42 | kremonte | hmmm k |
| 18:06.00 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Unit_Functions - all known unit functions |
| 18:06.25 | cmunn | :( |
| 18:06.32 | Kirov | cmunn - what are you trying to do? |
| 18:07.02 | Kirov | You can get the location of the player, and any members in your raid. |
| 18:07.09 | Kirov | And you can do tooltip scans for locations of party members |
| 18:07.16 | Kirov | (if you're not in a raid) |
| 18:07.22 | cmunn | write a replacement for GetRaidRosterInfo() that works when not in a raid |
| 18:07.33 | cmunn | brb, quiz |
| 18:10.10 | JoshBorke | cmunn: GetZoneText() or GetRealZoneText() etc |
| 18:10.23 | JoshBorke | cmunn: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Location_Functions |
| 18:10.41 | kremonte | ... |
| 18:10.43 | kremonte | it just DC'd me |
| 18:10.44 | Kirov | JoshBorke - he's looking for location of party members |
| 18:10.47 | kremonte | when i wasn't logged in |
| 18:10.54 | Kirov | kremonte - ahahahaha |
| 18:10.54 | kremonte | i was on Addon List and "Disconnected from Server" |
| 18:10.55 | kremonte | wtf... |
| 18:11.03 | Kirov | kremonte - do you have a cat? |
| 18:11.11 | kremonte | yes |
| 18:11.15 | kremonte | and? <.< |
| 18:11.16 | Tain | I picture a group of people in a Blizzard office sitting around a monitor and laughing right now. |
| 18:11.20 | Kirov | is he / she playing with your wires? |
| 18:11.30 | kremonte | none of em are near my comp/routing |
| 18:11.49 | Tain | "Wait wait Bob come here check this out. Wait for it.. wait for it... ok now!" |
| 18:11.55 | kremonte | :( |
| 18:12.57 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=359143&tmp=1#post359143 -- slouken doesn't love me |
| 18:12.59 | Kirov | no answer |
| 18:14.57 | cmunn | Kirov: Any idea how to get Location of Party Members? |
| 18:15.02 | kremonte | gg |
| 18:15.03 | kremonte | login |
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| 18:15.08 | kremonte | Nightbane Worgen hits you for 15 |
| 18:15.09 | kremonte | You die |
| 18:15.09 | Kirov | cmunn - yes, tooltip scan |
| 18:15.17 | Kirov | kremonte - ahahahahaha |
| 18:15.55 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.59 | Adrine | Mistell |
| 18:16.16 | kremonte | ok EVERYTHING IS CLOSED |
| 18:16.21 | kremonte | iF YOU CRASH NOW I HATE YOU |
| 18:16.51 | Adrine | kremonte's CAPSLOCK crits you for 5124 |
| 18:16.52 | Adrine | You die. |
| 18:17.04 | Wobin_ | cmunn You can in a raid I think |
| 18:17.06 | kremonte | ./flex |
| 18:17.11 | Kirov | *** kremonte has signed off IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). |
| 18:17.38 | JoshBorke | cmunn: in a raid you can. don't know about a party |
| 18:17.38 | kremonte | sadfdfasdfdfaasdfasdfnsdfksjdnfgsdgnjgdfgjhdbfgjksdhfdjfgbsdkjfgbsdfjxhbdfgjshdbfgjsdhfbdjhgfbsdfjg |
| 18:17.53 | kremonte | 62r+ attacks me |
| 18:17.56 | Kirov | cmunn - give me a sec |
| 18:17.56 | kremonte | get him to 5% hp |
| 18:18.05 | kremonte | with another alliance guy standing right next to me with a CoReck on him |
| 18:18.11 | kremonte | DIsconnected from Srverrrrrrrrr |
| 18:18.14 | kremonte | skfsdnkndskgjnfgdgfsfgfgfgsdfg |
| 18:18.15 | kremonte | afk /wrists |
| 18:18.16 | Adrine | heehee |
| 18:18.32 | JoshBorke | local name,rank, subgroup,level,class,fileName,zone,online,isDead = GetRaidRosterInfo(i) |
| 18:19.02 | Kirov | cmunn - GameTooltip:SetUnit("party1") etc. |
| 18:19.41 | cmunn | JoshBorke: My goal is to mimic GetRaidRosterInfo in a non-raid group |
| 18:19.43 | Kirov | Then GameTooltipTextLeft4:GetText() (I think it's line 4) |
| 18:19.53 | cmunn | Thanks, Kirov |
| 18:20.08 | JoshBorke | ah. |
| 18:20.08 | Kirov | Might have to do some more complex scanning of the tooltip |
| 18:20.20 | Kirov | I forget where it shows the location |
| 18:20.29 | Kirov | If it doesn't show a location, they're location is the same as yours |
| 18:20.46 | Kirov | (or they're too close for it to matter) |
| 18:21.25 | cmunn | (ya) |
| 18:21.42 | Kirov | now you just have to figure out if it shows GetZoneText() or GetRealZoneText() |
| 18:21.43 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:22.27 | kremonte | . . . . . . |
| 18:22.31 | kremonte | ...... |
| 18:22.32 | kremonte | ... |
| 18:22.33 | kremonte | . |
| 18:23.07 | kremonte | my cousins, in their attempt to "fix" their connection, disabled all the port forwards. |
| 18:23.09 | Cide | the location variable in GetRaidRosterInfo returns GetZoneText |
| 18:23.25 | Kirov | Cide - this is for party |
| 18:23.31 | Kirov | not in raid |
| 18:23.36 | Cide | yes |
| 18:23.39 | cmunn | yea, I'll figure it out later, it's not incredibly pressing. |
| 18:23.42 | Kirov | oh |
| 18:23.44 | Cide | but it's still GetZoneText() and not GetRealZoneText() ;( |
| 18:23.47 | Cide | err, :) |
| 18:23.55 | Kirov | right |
| 18:24.06 | cmunn | Yes, but GetRaidRosterInfo is what i'm trying to mimic, so Cide's info is quite useful |
| 18:26.05 | kremonte | another death to the random disconnects |
| 18:26.09 | kremonte | wtb hug |
| 18:26.12 | kremonte | pst |
| 18:28.25 | wereHamster | does anyone use 'SelectionRing' ? |
| 18:29.02 | kremonte | i give up |
| 18:29.08 | kremonte | going to go play bf2 or something! >< |
| 18:29.20 | Kirov | cmunn - it's line 3 |
| 18:29.52 | wereHamster | bit.mod(x,0) -- Sounds like this would make a good "Disappear" button for when the raid is going badly. :) |
| 18:30.02 | cmunn | Anyone done any work on CT_RaidAssist? |
| 18:30.16 | Kirov | Nope |
| 18:30.18 | Kirov | No one here |
| 18:30.19 | cmunn | Thanks <3 |
| 18:30.24 | Kirov | Especially not Cide |
| 18:30.35 | Kirov | Or myself. |
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| 18:31.10 | Kirov | were - I looked at it, but I couldn't figure out how to use it |
| 18:31.10 | cmunn | lol |
| 18:31.28 | Kirov | cmunn - I work on a version of ctraidassist for my guild |
| 18:31.35 | Kirov | Cide here ... well |
| 18:33.39 | Kirov | cmunn - what did you want to know? |
| 18:34.47 | cmunn | Well, I'm working on adding support for full functionality in non-raid groups |
| 18:35.46 | Kirov | hmm |
| 18:35.50 | Corrodias | http://dat.4chan.org/b/src/1144952579163.gif |
| 18:35.56 | Corrodias | god i hope that's the right link |
| 18:35.57 | cmunn | And the frame that shows say Group 1 for example, doesn't disappear when I leave the group |
| 18:36.01 | Kirov | cmunn - that'll be a lot of work |
| 18:36.02 | Corrodias | my clipboard is going to pay if i got that wrong |
| 18:36.10 | cmunn | And I can't find the damn frame to see what I need to debug |
| 18:36.21 | Kirov | corrodias - 404 |
| 18:36.25 | Corrodias | never mind, i see it's already gone. that's /b/ for you |
| 18:36.39 | Kirov | ? |
| 18:37.23 | Cide | ct_raidassist? what's that? |
| 18:37.28 | cmunn | I started working on it last night, and I've got most of the functionality enabled, I'm just working out bugs now. |
| 18:37.40 | JoshBorke | i heard it was this really performance hogging add-on cide... |
| 18:37.43 | Kirov | Cide - some mod, I think like 5-6 people use it on the euro servers |
| 18:37.45 | cmunn | Like the Zone, etc |
| 18:37.51 | Cide | I see, JoshBorke. |
| 18:37.57 | Cide | Kirov, hmm. Interesting. |
| 18:38.01 | Tain | I got banned and the only addon I used is CT_RaidAssist |
| 18:38.08 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:38.29 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:38.36 | cmunn | brb, class change |
| 18:38.52 | Tain | cmunn is changing to a Warlock? |
| 18:38.58 | Cide | my computer crashed and I had just installed CT_RaidAssist |
| 18:39.06 | Kirov | Cide - not even wow? |
| 18:39.18 | Cide | no! |
| 18:39.21 | Kirov | hehe |
| 18:39.35 | Tain | ct_raidassist doesn't work right on my emulator server |
| 18:39.41 | Kirov | I figure if cmunn doesn't know who Cide is, I shouldn't be the one to tell him. |
| 18:40.02 | Cide | I hear it eats babies, too. |
| 18:40.07 | Cide | Kirov, hehe :) |
| 18:40.14 | Tain | And kicks puppies |
| 18:41.01 | Kirov | I guess most people don't really read the ctraid welcome text |
| 18:41.35 | Cide | no :( |
| 18:41.45 | Cide | but that's the nature of welcome texts, unfortunately! |
| 18:41.57 | Kirov | that's the nature of any text longer than ~12 characters |
| 18:42.24 | Cide | that too |
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| 18:43.00 | Cide | cmunn, CT_RAGroup1 |
| 18:43.09 | cmunn | Thanks <3 |
| 18:43.11 | Cide | I think the fontstring itself is CT_RAGroup1GroupName |
| 18:44.05 | cmunn | Are you a CT_Mod Dev? I admit I'm two days new into WoW Addon development |
| 18:44.33 | Cide | yes :) |
| 18:44.37 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 18:44.43 | Kirov | Cide - are there any plans on adding buff display to the MT target's target? I have a couple of healers in my guild asking for it. |
| 18:45.06 | Cide | don't think so |
| 18:45.16 | Cide | I'm a priest myself and I can't see the use |
| 18:45.26 | Cide | it would also be rather expensive, I bet |
| 18:45.34 | Kirov | Just for party members |
| 18:45.35 | Cide | since it would have to be updated *a lot' |
| 18:45.42 | Kirov | er, raid members |
| 18:45.50 | Cide | yeah, but still |
| 18:45.57 | Kirov | I was just going to add a if CT_RA_Stats[name] |
| 18:46.58 | Kirov | I currently have a "same as your target" and "you are this mt" check mark, as well as a "this mob has hunter's mark" on the MTs |
| 18:46.59 | Cide | well, calling CT_RA_UpdateUnitBuffs that often wouldn't be very nice I think |
| 18:47.14 | Kirov | Cide - every frame? hmm... true |
| 18:47.37 | Cide | every frame? as in for every raid frame, or as in every time the screen updates? |
| 18:47.51 | Kirov | screen update |
| 18:48.06 | Cide | nah |
| 18:48.10 | Kirov | well, however often UpdateMTs is run |
| 18:48.14 | Cide | MTT only updates every .25 sec |
| 18:48.19 | Cide | well |
| 18:48.19 | Kirov | or UpdateMTT rather |
| 18:48.32 | Cide | it checks for updates every .25 sec, and it only updates if the target name changed, or health changed |
| 18:48.51 | Kirov | Right, and I could append something on there for if buffs have changed |
| 18:48.52 | Cide | so I guess it's normally 1-2 times/sec for a raid encounter |
| 18:48.58 | Cide | possibly |
| 18:49.24 | Kirov | though, at the momment think I need to optimize the check marks I have. |
| 18:49.26 | wereHamster | does anyone know an addon that enables the mousewheel on the charframes? |
| 18:49.30 | wereHamster | chatframes |
| 18:49.40 | Kirov | were - ctmod does |
| 18:49.51 | Kirov | I used another mod before that, forget what it was called. |
| 18:49.53 | Cide | ya, ct_mastermod |
| 18:50.01 | Cide | CT_RegisterMods.lua I believe? not sure |
| 18:50.27 | Kirov | ktron - logitech mouse? |
| 18:50.37 | Ktron|afk | yep |
| 18:51.08 | Kirov | JoChatTimestamp was what I used before |
| 18:51.08 | Ktron|afk | I wanted a high dpi, wireless mouse with a tilt wheel |
| 18:51.23 | Kirov | ktron - how is it? |
| 18:51.33 | Ktron|afk | wereHamster, I think ChatScroll does too, if not, ChatFrameExtender does |
| 18:51.46 | Ktron|afk | ChatScroll is an ace addon, ChatFrameExtender is a Satrina mod |
| 18:52.04 | Ktron|afk | I have to wait 2 hours for the first battery to charge up :( |
| 18:52.53 | Ktron|afk | But it has 2 batteries, and they have only a 2h charge time, and the battery life of the mouse is supposed to be pretty good, so I doubt I'll have to wait again :) |
| 18:53.38 | Ktron|afk | Oh wait, it looks like this battery had some charge! wheeeee |
| 18:55.17 | Ktron|afk | the quick switch for dpi is going to take some getting used to though I think :) |
| 18:55.21 | Kirov | hmm |
| 18:55.32 | Kirov | It looks like this is built in to 1.10 now |
| 18:55.54 | wereHamster | Ktron|afk, thanks, ChatScroll works |
| 18:56.00 | Kirov | er, odd |
| 18:56.23 | Ktron|afk | np wereHamster |
| 18:56.24 | Gryphen | chatscroll is also a stand alone mod |
| 18:58.27 | Kirov | wow, I never realized the code for scrolling with the mouse wheel was already in wow's chatframe code, it just didn't work |
| 18:58.28 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:59.12 | Ktron|afk | heh |
| 18:59.19 | Ktron|afk | that's fairly spectactular |
| 18:59.51 | cmunn | Cide: Any plans to enable more complete functionality for non-raid groups in CTRA? |
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| 19:01.19 | JoshBorke | morning Iriel |
| 19:03.30 | Cide | not in the form of CTRA, no :) |
| 19:04.16 | Kirov | Cide - Ok, better question. Do your party mods have any time frame for release in the next, oh ... 5 years? |
| 19:04.22 | Kirov | ;) |
| 19:05.53 | Cide | probably not :) |
| 19:06.04 | Cide | there's... a LOT to do |
| 19:08.42 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:09.21 | Kirov | random question, anyone here use Simple Action Sets? |
| 19:09.42 | cmunn | meh, class change again |
| 19:09.42 | cmunn | bbiaf |
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| 19:28.11 | cmunn | How many people work on the CT_Mod project? |
| 19:32.04 | cmunn | !ping |
| 19:33.41 | ForgottenLords | !pong |
| 19:34.05 | cmunn | Thanks |
| 19:34.11 | cmunn | At least I'm still connected |
| 19:34.33 | ForgottenLords | yup. just nobody active that can answer your question :) |
| 19:35.21 | JoshBorke | at least 1 |
| 19:35.49 | cmunn | Wow, What's more amazing is my 10009ms latency in WoW |
| 19:36.11 | Elkano | only 10secs? lucky you... ;( |
| 19:36.52 | cmunn | Yea, I know. |
| 19:37.19 | cmunn | This is pathetic, I'm about to disconnect my Cable modem and connect over my cellphone to improve my ping. |
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| 19:39.57 | Shouryuu_ | rawr boo poo woof miao and so forth |
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| 19:44.08 | cmunn | Cellphone gets 1200ms latency... lol |
| 19:44.14 | cmunn | Comcast is fail. |
| 19:44.51 | JoshBorke | morning Shouryuu_ |
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| 19:47.06 | Wobin_ | night |
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| 19:48.03 | wereHamster | night |
| 19:48.50 | JoshBorke | night Wobin_ |
| 19:49.55 | Shouryuu_ | I''s 4 am here but gnight |
| 19:50.06 | JoshBorke | ~ugt |
| 19:50.08 | purl | [ugt] Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 19:50.18 | JoshBorke | new commands every day :-) |
| 19:50.23 | kremonte | huh? |
| 19:50.27 | kremonte | ugt is old :O |
| 19:50.30 | kremonte | ~factinfo ugt |
| 19:50.30 | purl | ugt -- last modified at Wed Apr 6 20:38:53 2005 by philv!~philippe@69.156.51.65; it has been requested 93 times, last by JoshBorke, 22s ago. |
| 19:50.44 | kremonte | more than a year old ;o |
| 19:50.46 | JoshBorke | s/new/i learn new/ |
| 19:50.49 | kremonte | :P |
| 19:50.55 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 19:55.28 | Osagasu | I wonder how she would respond to multiple misspellings |
| 19:55.57 | Osagasu | I htae the htae |
| 19:56.02 | Osagasu | s/htae/hate |
| 19:56.16 | Osagasu | bah |
| 19:56.34 | Adrine | You forgot your trailing slash |
| 19:56.42 | Adrine | I htae the htae |
| 19:56.45 | Adrine | s/htae/hate/ |
| 19:57.32 | Osagasu | hrm |
| 19:57.35 | Osagasu | I htae the htae] |
| 19:57.46 | Osagasu | s/htae/hate/htae/hate |
| 19:57.48 | Osagasu | s/htae/hate/htae/hate/ |
| 19:57.54 | Osagasu | oh well |
| 19:59.11 | Osagasu | one last time then\ |
| 19:59.15 | Osagasu | I htae the htae |
| 19:59.20 | Osagasu | s/htae/hate/htae/hate/ |
| 19:59.38 | Osagasu | it only looks like she can take on one typo |
| 19:59.54 | Kirov | purl hates you |
| 20:00.13 | Osagasu | I know |
| 20:00.16 | Osagasu | ~trout purl |
| 20:00.18 | purl | ACTION slaps purl around a bit with a large trout! |
| 20:00.21 | Osagasu | :> |
| 20:00.23 | Tem | Osagasu: |
| 20:00.30 | Tem | Like this |
| 20:01.07 | Tem | Test banana purl's banana skill banana with banana Bananas |
| 20:01.17 | Tem | s/banana //g |
| 20:01.29 | kremonte | what's /g? |
| 20:01.49 | kremonte | i htae the htae |
| 20:01.52 | kremonte | s/htae/hate/g |
| 20:01.55 | kremonte | zomg |
| 20:01.59 | Osagasu | oooh |
| 20:02.47 | AnduinLothar | is there a way to check what events a frame is registered for? |
| 20:03.09 | Kirov | not that I know of |
| 20:04.31 | cmunn | Kirov: I can get the tooltip scanning to work if I hover over the party, but I'm having trouble getting the text if I'm not forcing it to be shown |
| 20:05.09 | Kirov | cmunn - use one of CTRA's hidden tooltips instead of GameTooltip |
| 20:05.24 | cmunn | Ahh, Good idea |
| 20:05.28 | wereHamster | does CTRA have more than one tooltip? |
| 20:05.33 | Kirov | 3 |
| 20:05.44 | cmunn | You wouldn't know their names off the top of your head would you? |
| 20:05.47 | Kirov | well, 2 |
| 20:05.51 | JoshBorke | i htae the htae |
| 20:05.55 | JoshBorke | s/htae/hate/g |
| 20:06.24 | kremonte | hm |
| 20:06.27 | wereHamster | isn't one enough? |
| 20:06.28 | kremonte | why is ace's toc still 10900? |
| 20:06.30 | cmunn | CTRATooltip, CTRADurationTooltip |
| 20:07.17 | Kirov | I'd use CT_RADST |
| 20:07.50 | cmunn | DST? |
| 20:08.01 | Kirov | That's the name of the tooltip |
| 20:08.02 | cmunn | What's it normally usd for? |
| 20:08.03 | cmunn | *use |
| 20:08.10 | cmunn | s/usd/used |
| 20:08.11 | Kirov | DetectSpellTooltip |
| 20:08.53 | Cide | cmunn, sorry for the rather late answer! there are two people working on ctmod.. me being the only coder |
| 20:09.20 | wereHamster | DST -- Daylight Saving Time? |
| 20:09.23 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:09.37 | Kirov | actually, that's a good question though. |
| 20:09.45 | Kirov | Why does CTRA use 3 tooltips? |
| 20:10.03 | AnduinLothar | hey cide, do the raid frames in CTRA do anythign at all if none are checked, or are all the event frames hidden too? |
| 20:10.06 | Cide | I've forgotten the answer? :P |
| 20:10.24 | Kirov | hehe |
| 20:10.35 | Cide | not sure actually |
| 20:10.49 | Cide | I tried to use the same for that but it bugged out so I created another one |
| 20:10.56 | Cide | not sure if that was because of me being stupid or not |
| 20:11.11 | Cide | AnduinLothar, it doesn't update anything, no |
| 20:11.42 | AnduinLothar | cause my guild requires ctra for raiding, but i don't want to use the raid frames, just the e-monitor, main tanks and rdy check (and various chan comm stuff) |
| 20:12.09 | AnduinLothar | don't spose there's an easy way to dissable the raid frames all together without cripling the rest? |
| 20:12.18 | Cide | if they are hidden they do nothing |
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| 20:12.26 | Kirov | Isn't there a CTRA Lite someone made, or is there just the CTRA Spy? |
| 20:12.30 | Cide | no |
| 20:12.50 | AnduinLothar | ok, just trying to lighten my load. i was getting about 2fps in MC yesterday |
| 20:13.25 | cmunn | Yay! Awesome, it works |
| 20:13.25 | kremonte | man what the hell is wrong |
| 20:13.29 | kremonte | i DC every 3 minutes |
| 20:13.30 | kremonte | on the dot |
| 20:13.30 | Cide | well, CT_RAFrame:UnregisterEvent("UNIT_HEALTH") and same for UNIT_MANA would make it stop receiving events |
| 20:13.32 | kremonte | when i am logged in |
| 20:13.43 | Cide | but that shouldn't help much, the frames should know when to update and when not to |
| 20:13.44 | Shouryuu_ | >3 |
| 20:13.56 | AnduinLothar | the eveent frame is hidden tho? or is there a master one for all of them |
| 20:14.07 | Cide | CT_RAFrame is the master event frame |
| 20:14.11 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 20:14.19 | Cide | but events are still received when the frame is hidden |
| 20:14.35 | AnduinLothar | is any of the chat comm dependant on the unit health? |
| 20:14.48 | Kirov | couldn't you get away with unregistering UNIT_AURA as well? |
| 20:14.54 | AnduinLothar | i assume it needs unit aura.. |
| 20:15.11 | Cide | no chat comm is |
| 20:15.25 | Cide | unit_aura would stop it from sending buff updates |
| 20:15.27 | AnduinLothar | since that prolly handles the ss timers and res trackers |
| 20:15.31 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 20:15.44 | Cide | res tracker no |
| 20:15.48 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 20:15.50 | Cide | ss timer no |
| 20:16.02 | AnduinLothar | those on a diff event driver? |
| 20:16.08 | Cide | those are checked on spellcast |
| 20:16.11 | Kirov | those hook the spell cast and on death events, right? |
| 20:16.15 | AnduinLothar | client side? |
| 20:16.16 | Cide | ya |
| 20:16.22 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 20:16.24 | Cide | define client side :) |
| 20:16.34 | Cide | they are broadcasted, but not on UNIT_AURA |
| 20:16.46 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 20:16.51 | Cide | you would stop it from sending messages when your buffs are refreshed |
| 20:16.53 | AnduinLothar | then not 'client side' |
| 20:17.06 | AnduinLothar | ah, right |
| 20:17.08 | Cide | since there's no way to tell if a buff is refreshed, only when it's gained and lost |
| 20:17.12 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 20:17.26 | AnduinLothar | are there timers for those? never noticed |
| 20:17.39 | Cide | yes, if you mouse over a buff |
| 20:17.58 | Kirov | Though, I've noticed some buffs when you recast are "lost" and reapplied, though not all. |
| 20:18.05 | AnduinLothar | hmm, too much info imo... but i'm sure some find it useful |
| 20:18.25 | Kirov | ooo |
| 20:18.32 | Kirov | that's a good idea for another /ra command |
| 20:18.38 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.47 | JoshBorke | oooo, another 'i got banned for using mods' thread! woohoo! |
| 20:18.47 | Kirov | show a list of times for all buffs you can cast |
| 20:19.14 | Cide | we're probably going to implement something that makes managing buffs easier |
| 20:19.16 | Kirov | I still want to add the ability to click on someone in the dur frame and select them. |
| 20:19.21 | AnduinLothar | nother question. what does CT_RABossMods use that req's ctra? |
| 20:19.32 | Kirov | anduinlothar - the menu |
| 20:19.40 | Cide | and channel communication |
| 20:19.52 | Cide | it broadcasts to ctra's normal /rs |
| 20:20.00 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 20:20.01 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 20:20.25 | AnduinLothar | don't spose it's gonan be autonomous any time soon |
| 20:20.32 | Cide | how so? |
| 20:20.45 | AnduinLothar | i'd like to use boss mods w/o ctra |
| 20:21.05 | AnduinLothar | rather than the other way around |
| 20:21.09 | Cide | why? |
| 20:21.14 | Cide | only one person needs to run boss mods |
| 20:21.30 | AnduinLothar | ah, useful info |
| 20:21.40 | AnduinLothar | in that case nm |
| 20:21.41 | Kirov | Well |
| 20:21.49 | ckknight | anyone know how to make Teamspeak say which user joins? |
| 20:21.50 | Kirov | Some fights ... |
| 20:22.06 | Kirov | Vael, you don't want just one person with ctra |
| 20:22.21 | Tain | I believe the G15 keyboard LCD app for TeamSpeak will tell you! |
| 20:22.24 | Cide | well, it's generally enough :) |
| 20:22.30 | AnduinLothar | well i figure at least half the guild has it i don't need it, eh? |
| 20:22.37 | Cide | not at all |
| 20:22.40 | AnduinLothar | good to know |
| 20:22.48 | AnduinLothar | i was ill informed |
| 20:23.04 | Kirov | We had a problem with a hunter in our raid always blowing us up because he didn't use boss mods and wasn't getting the "You're gunna blow!" message because the tank who was broadcasting was too far away. |
| 20:23.24 | Kirov | Usually though, just the MT needs it |
| 20:23.27 | AnduinLothar | we get whispers... not sure if that's auto |
| 20:23.30 | Kirov | Since most of the messages are local to the tank. |
| 20:23.42 | AnduinLothar | might be macro |
| 20:23.43 | Cide | yeah |
| 20:23.53 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - yes, but you still need to be in range to see the combat message stating it. |
| 20:23.53 | Cide | bossmods sends whispers |
| 20:24.10 | AnduinLothar | i have the whispers in a diff frame, they're very easy to see |
| 20:24.31 | Adrine | You know. |
| 20:24.38 | Kirov | I added some stuff for the Anubisath Defenders plague |
| 20:24.39 | Adrine | How hard is it to see "HOLY CRAP I AM ON FIRE RUN" |
| 20:24.40 | AnduinLothar | up where the buffs usually are |
| 20:24.52 | AnduinLothar | at 2fps. very hard |
| 20:25.00 | Kirov | Adrine - We made fun of him for that too. |
| 20:25.03 | Adrine | You should still get the debuff and stuff. |
| 20:25.14 | AnduinLothar | i ran in 2 full circles last time before i was facing the walls, just cause it was so choppy |
| 20:25.16 | Kirov | "I didn't know I had it" "You're bright fucking red!" |
| 20:25.19 | Cide | Kirov, what about it? |
| 20:25.37 | AnduinLothar | so now i've learned to face the wall and swivel my camera |
| 20:25.39 | Cide | I though 39 whispers of "YOU HAVE THE PLAGUE!" would be enough |
| 20:25.44 | Kirov | Cide - a) It shows up as a debuff in the raid frames so healers know who has it. |
| 20:25.50 | Cide | ah, yes. |
| 20:26.00 | Cide | we're lacking control panel stuff to add custom debuffs |
| 20:26.13 | Kirov | b) if you're doing damage to people I send you another tell |
| 20:26.20 | Kirov | "You're still too close" |
| 20:26.23 | Cide | that could be spammy :) |
| 20:26.31 | Cide | especially with 39 other people doing it |
| 20:26.35 | Kirov | Yeah, the second one I wouldn't add to CTRA |
| 20:26.50 | Cide | (I had send tells defaulted to "On" for our guild test version) |
| 20:26.52 | Kirov | The 20 tells I get already from people who haven't turned it off is enough. |
| 20:26.57 | Cide | but I'm going to implement support to watch any debuff somewhen |
| 20:27.09 | Cide | well |
| 20:27.21 | Cide | we had so many tells going out that people thought they had the plague themselves when they sent others tells |
| 20:27.33 | Kirov | Cide - actually, I was thinking it'd be nice to add something to automatically disable the tells to people who have a current version of CTRABoss installed |
| 20:27.41 | Cide | and they were like "Cide wtf the mod is broken! I don't have the plague, yet people tell me I do!" |
| 20:27.49 | Kirov | Cide - yeah |
| 20:28.07 | Kirov | Cide - We have people every week complain about that. |
| 20:28.07 | Cide | yeah, but that'd require sending another message to broadcast CTRABM version |
| 20:28.17 | Cide | I should add a function to send silent whispers |
| 20:28.26 | Cide | but that's not the easiest thing, I guess |
| 20:28.29 | Kirov | Cide - every week we have to tell them "You didn't see us telling people last week about this?" |
| 20:28.45 | AnduinLothar | silent whispers isn't any worse than chan comm |
| 20:28.57 | Cide | well, a bit |
| 20:29.11 | Cide | it'd have to store the messages sent out and check CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM events for those messages |
| 20:29.14 | Cide | but not that bad |
| 20:29.18 | AnduinLothar | just prefix it the same way and make anything with the prefix hidden with 7 addmessage hooks |
| 20:29.20 | Kirov | Actually, can you add a <ctra> to the front of tells sent from boss mods? |
| 20:29.34 | Cide | probably, but why? |
| 20:29.45 | Kirov | well |
| 20:30.19 | Kirov | when you receive a tell from someone they're added to the recent whisper list in the chatframe |
| 20:30.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge qwxyr (i=qw@201.80-202-198.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:30.35 | Kirov | if you hook that and check to see if the message didn't start with <ctra> |
| 20:31.01 | Kirov | just a minor sanity thing when trying to communicate to people in tells during an event that has whispers |
| 20:31.40 | Cide | depends |
| 20:31.40 | Elviso | Question: if I use "SlashCmdList["PI"] = PI_Slash_Help();" for my /cmds, can I still send args to PI_Slash_Help()? ...or do I need to register it using the function method? |
| 20:31.58 | Cide | you can still send args to that function |
| 20:32.03 | Elviso | ty Cide |
| 20:32.09 | Cide | mind you, you probably want SlashCmdList["PI"] = PI_Slash_Help; |
| 20:32.16 | Elviso | ty ty :) |
| 20:32.43 | Kirov | SlashCmdList["PI"] = function PI_Slash_Help() end is the one that would cause issues |
| 20:32.58 | Cide | well |
| 20:32.59 | ckknight | mmm... pie |
| 20:33.00 | Elviso | Bonus round: does using the function method for /cmds have any advantages? |
| 20:33.20 | Cide | SlashCmdList["PI"] = PI_Slash_Help() would probably juts nil it, unless PI_Slash_Help() actually returns something :) |
| 20:33.28 | Elviso | it just seems like more coding |
| 20:33.30 | Cide | what do you mean? |
| 20:33.40 | Cide | with "function method" |
| 20:33.42 | Kirov | Elviso - if you want to always pass a value on specific slash commands |
| 20:34.04 | Kirov | SlashCmdList["PI"] = function PI_Slash_Help(1) end |
| 20:34.05 | Elviso | SlashCmdList["PI"] = function(msg) PI_Slash_Help() end |
| 20:34.15 | kremonte | wait |
| 20:34.16 | kremonte | pi? |
| 20:34.22 | Elviso | my new addon |
| 20:34.28 | Kirov | Private Investigator |
| 20:34.35 | kremonte | which does? :o |
| 20:34.36 | Kirov | ? |
| 20:34.39 | Elviso | power infusor :) |
| 20:34.43 | Kirov | hehe |
| 20:35.04 | Cide | SlashCmdList["PI"] = function(msg) PI_Slash_Help() end <-- quite unnecessary, you could just define PI_Slash_Help as... function PI_Slash_Help(msg) |
| 20:35.15 | Elviso | "Automagically finds a PI target, i.e. either a warlock or mage, with mana > x, in-range, in-raid or in-party. Has a favorites list and a skip list. And so much more." |
| 20:36.17 | kremonte | ugh |
| 20:36.22 | kremonte | so apparently the dc bug is by account |
| 20:36.29 | kremonte | so it can't be a hardware thing |
| 20:36.33 | kremonte | or a software thing? :/ |
| 20:37.14 | Tain | ~9,~~0oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[55555555555555sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss45444---------------o99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999-~~~~~~~~6, |
| 20:37.24 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 20:37.25 | Adrine | Cat alert. |
| 20:37.25 | Elviso | O RLY |
| 20:37.35 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:37.52 | Tain | Ferret, actually. |
| 20:37.54 | AnduinLothar | looks like thottbot code |
| 20:37.56 | Elviso | hahah |
| 20:37.56 | kremonte | oops |
| 20:37.57 | kremonte | ? |
| 20:37.58 | kremonte | lol |
| 20:38.01 | Tain | haha |
| 20:38.06 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - lol! |
| 20:38.10 | kremonte | your ferret did it on accident |
| 20:38.14 | kremonte | he said oops andeverything |
| 20:38.40 | AnduinLothar | almost makes me want a ferret... to code for me of course |
| 20:38.51 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - a programer I knew used fffffffff as a variable name in some of his code |
| 20:39.13 | Kirov | There was a bug that stayed in one of his programs for 10 years that was because in one instance he used one too many fs |
| 20:39.34 | Tain | Time to dig out the old, "How to write unmanagable code" article |
| 20:39.41 | Kirov | It was code used by bank teller machines too |
| 20:40.35 | Cide | yeah, that's a smart thing to do |
| 20:40.45 | Cide | I like naming variables to just one letter! |
| 20:40.50 | Cide | (excluding loops and the like) |
| 20:40.55 | Tain | Less to mispell that way |
| 20:41.00 | Cide | that is true |
| 20:41.13 | Adrine | See, PHP is fun with variable variables |
| 20:41.20 | Kirov | Cide - I do that for generic code snipets, like sort functions |
| 20:41.27 | Adrine | ${getNextVariableName()} = "value"; |
| 20:41.35 | Cide | yeah, well, if it's just a single independent function, maybe |
| 20:41.39 | Adrine | Then you just have that function return the next in sequence! |
| 20:41.52 | Tain | Ah here's a mirror of it. Always a fun read no matter how many times I look at it. http://www.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html |
| 20:41.54 | Beladona | if there is a way to misspell in a single character variable, I am sure a programmer will find it |
| 20:42.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (i=khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 20:42.49 | Cide | probably, Beladona |
| 20:43.25 | [MoonWolf] | sure, for some weird reason you put in an accented version of your var and not notice it |
| 20:43.36 | [MoonWolf] | í instead of i |
| 20:43.47 | Adrine | for(i=0;i<10;u++) |
| 20:43.47 | Cide | or l instead of I |
| 20:43.52 | Adrine | Well, crap. |
| 20:43.54 | Cide | depending on you font |
| 20:44.01 | Cide | s/you/your/ |
| 20:44.40 | [MoonWolf] | i never use a font with similar I and l |
| 20:44.40 | kremonte | 1lI |
| 20:44.42 | Adrine | 1|Il |
| 20:44.52 | kremonte | make lI Il il iL Li LI lI |
| 20:45.01 | Kirov | Cide - assuming you put a <CTRaid> at the start of any of your boss mod tells, http://wow.pastebin.com/658440 will prevent it from getting added to the tell list. |
| 20:45.01 | kremonte | l1 I1 Il1 |
| 20:45.03 | kremonte | whee |
| 20:45.24 | Cide | well |
| 20:45.27 | Cide | from where is that code called? |
| 20:45.40 | Cide | err, that function |
| 20:45.41 | Kirov | ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 20:45.46 | Cide | well there yuo go |
| 20:45.48 | Cide | you* |
| 20:45.58 | Cide | well, nevermind. |
| 20:46.16 | Cide | disregard what I said :) |
| 20:46.30 | AnduinLothar | or you could jsut have Sky do it for you ;) |
| 20:46.43 | Cide | no thanks :) |
| 20:46.45 | Kirov | hehe |
| 20:46.49 | Kirov | I don't run sky unless i need to |
| 20:47.00 | Kirov | ie: testing |
| 20:47.12 | Kirov | SimpleTranqShot for example |
| 20:47.19 | Kirov | I cull out sky channels from the drop down list |
| 20:47.53 | AnduinLothar | it's always fun to see who's using Cosmos on my server, even if i'm soloing and dont need the functions at that point in time |
| 20:48.30 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.31 | Kirov | meh |
| 20:48.43 | Kirov | don't need to run sky for that |
| 20:48.57 | AnduinLothar | right, but meteorologist makes all my sky friends and guild members blue |
| 20:49.36 | Kirov | That's not very nice. I wouldn't want to make my friends depressed. |
| 20:49.37 | Kirov | ;) |
| 20:50.13 | Kirov | *crickets* |
| 20:50.51 | AnduinLothar | sky doesn't really do anything to my fps either so it's not really something i would dissable for that |
| 20:51.26 | AnduinLothar | i need to update it's outgoing filter tho. I was able to do a lot of testing while workign at blizz |
| 20:51.49 | AnduinLothar | it seems the max outgoing bandwidth is about 1000 characters per second |
| 20:52.02 | cmunn | Cide: 90% of CTRA uses crazy fun ways to test if we're in a raid group, then I get to CT_RATarget and it uses UnitInRaid("party") |
| 20:52.19 | Cide | you lost me :) |
| 20:52.55 | AnduinLothar | UnitInRaid("party") should error, no? |
| 20:53.01 | Tain | Yay another Pirate MMORPG coming! |
| 20:53.01 | ckknight | I'd assume so |
| 20:53.07 | ckknight | cause party isn't a real thing |
| 20:53.12 | cmunn | Oh, I meant UnitInRaid("player") |
| 20:53.18 | Cide | pretty sure I normally just check for GetNumRaidMembers() > 0 |
| 20:53.34 | Cide | I don't have the code around so I can't check |
| 20:53.38 | AnduinLothar | or UnitExists("raid1") |
| 20:53.39 | cmunn | You do, everywhere but CT_RATarget.lua |
| 20:53.51 | Cide | well |
| 20:54.03 | Cide | most of the code in ct_raidassist.lua is way old |
| 20:54.08 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 20:54.10 | Cide | ct_ratarget is way newer |
| 20:54.38 | Cide | I should rewrite it because most of it honestly isn't very well coded performance-wise, but it's like 5.5k lines or something so I'm not bothering |
| 20:54.42 | Kirov | another reason for the "old" method is that unitids don't match with the GetRaidRosterInfo index |
| 20:54.44 | Cide | besides, it works |
| 20:54.58 | AnduinLothar | ya, you should go look at MobileFrames.... most of that code was written march of 2005 |
| 20:55.16 | Cide | well |
| 20:55.27 | kremonte | hm |
| 20:55.29 | kremonte | " Thank you for the information, we have found the cause for the disconnections and it should be resolved shortly." |
| 20:55.34 | Cide | it would still be pretty messy just because of its size, but still |
| 20:55.35 | kremonte | that was 3 minutes ago and i haven't dc'd in 8 |
| 20:55.39 | kremonte | that's a very short shortly |
| 20:55.45 | kremonte | umm |
| 20:55.48 | kremonte | knock wood. |
| 20:56.06 | cmunn | It's ok, it's just another function I have to rewrite |
| 20:56.19 | Cide | you know |
| 20:56.28 | Cide | you're going to have a lot of fun if you want to convert CTRA to work in parties |
| 20:56.33 | Cide | a *lot* of fun :) |
| 20:56.38 | kremonte | WHAT DID YOU DO CIDE?! |
| 20:56.38 | Kirov | Cide - lol |
| 20:56.51 | Cide | nothing in particular |
| 20:56.59 | Cide | but ctra is 22k+ lines last time I checked |
| 20:57.18 | kremonte | ... |
| 20:57.19 | kremonte | 22k? |
| 20:57.20 | kremonte | ... |
| 20:57.23 | Kirov | including xml |
| 20:57.25 | kremonte | wooooooooooooooooooow |
| 20:57.26 | Cide | ya |
| 20:57.31 | Cide | xml is >60% probably |
| 20:58.06 | Cide | I think we're actually one of the few who try to make everything that is an option a GUI option |
| 20:58.09 | cmunn | correction: I've had a lot of fun xD |
| 20:58.20 | cmunn | I'm just ironing out bugs now |
| 20:58.32 | AnduinLothar | 'few' |
| 20:58.34 | Elviso | I swear this inspector gadget addon is one of the best dev tools....at least for a n00b like me :D |
| 20:58.46 | Cide | or only ones ;) |
| 20:58.54 | AnduinLothar | tends to be my tune too |
| 20:59.11 | Aalny | www.progressquest.com |
| 20:59.15 | Kirov | I keep thinking I need to rewrite SimpleTranqShot, but I then go, "meh, that's too much work", and that's only 700 lines. |
| 20:59.18 | Aalny | best MMO evah |
| 20:59.26 | Cide | I'm fairly happy with our control panel actually |
| 20:59.31 | Cide | Kirov, I know the feeling :P |
| 21:00.00 | Kirov | Thought, right now for some bizzare reason I've taken to rewriting LootLink |
| 21:00.02 | AnduinLothar | i need to rewrite mf to use dynamic frames. but the event tracking to allow late registrations hurts my brain |
| 21:00.18 | Cide | I'm recoding CT_RaidTracker from scratch |
| 21:00.19 | JoshBorke | Elviso: what addon? <link?> |
| 21:00.27 | Kirov | Cide - yeah, how's that going? |
| 21:00.31 | Cide | not bad |
| 21:00.36 | Elviso | JoshBorke: coming, sec |
| 21:00.36 | Cide | I'm making it way easier to maintain |
| 21:00.44 | Kirov | I find that after not touching a mod for about 4-5 months I actually want to work on it again. |
| 21:00.48 | Cide | which isn't very fun because there's some funky stuff going on with raid units |
| 21:00.55 | Shouryuu_ | night |
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| 21:00.59 | Kirov | Then I go back and look at what I did and go "wtf was wrong with me!!" *delete* |
| 21:01.10 | AnduinLothar | that's what usually happens. you end up sloppy until you rewrite it to be pretty |
| 21:01.21 | AnduinLothar | and it slowly gets more sloppy |
| 21:01.30 | Cide | like, at some point in timee UnitRaid("raid#") returns nil for all ids |
| 21:01.37 | Kirov | Especially when you start adding features in places that never intended to have features |
| 21:01.41 | Cide | s/mee/me/ |
| 21:01.47 | AnduinLothar | arch used to have very pretty code |
| 21:01.51 | Elviso | JoshBorke: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2928 |
| 21:01.52 | AnduinLothar | now it's monsterous |
| 21:02.05 | Cide | which is bad because it makes CTRT add a leave timestamp and then another join timestamp right after |
| 21:02.12 | Cide | = bigger tables |
| 21:02.41 | Elviso | JoshBorke: I like being able to browse vars/tables/funcs, but the best is the live script sandbox... |
| 21:03.04 | Kirov | Elviso - hmm, it's liek DevTools on crack |
| 21:04.23 | Elviso | it saves me so much time |
| 21:04.43 | Elviso | I dont have to edit function x, reloadui, test, edit, reload, test, etc etc |
| 21:05.00 | Elviso | just play with it in the box till I get it right |
| 21:07.26 | wereHamster | why isn't CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF triggered when I start to cast a spell |
| 21:07.53 | JoshBorke | because SPELLCAST_START is |
| 21:08.03 | wereHamster | what about combat log? |
| 21:08.15 | wereHamster | or is that event only for other players? |
| 21:08.27 | JoshBorke | what's frustrating is CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF is triggered when someone OUTSIDE your party begins casting, but CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PARTY_BUFF is not triggered when a party member begins to cast :-( |
| 21:08.36 | JoshBorke | it's only for people outside your party |
| 21:11.05 | JoshBorke | Elviso: i should really try doing that sometimes :-/ |
| 21:11.53 | cmunn | What does CTRA use the CTRaid Channel for? |
| 21:12.07 | Cide | bunch of stuff |
| 21:12.26 | Cide | going afk so I can't name them, sorry :) |
| 21:16.10 | wereHamster | durability, /raitem.. |
| 21:16.21 | wereHamster | boss warnings |
| 21:16.54 | cmunn | Off to home, take care |
| 21:23.03 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, so which events are triggered when party members begin to cast? |
| 21:29.19 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: to my knowledge? none :-( |
| 21:30.08 | wereHamster | and for raid members? |
| 21:30.25 | JoshBorke | raid members trigger CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF |
| 21:30.31 | Elviso | question: there's not select-case logic control in LUA, is there? |
| 21:30.36 | JoshBorke | except for the group you are in |
| 21:30.40 | wereHamster | even if the person is in your party? |
| 21:30.40 | JoshBorke | Elviso: correct |
| 21:30.50 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: with the exception of people in your party |
| 21:30.52 | Elviso | thanks |
| 21:30.57 | wereHamster | .. how stupid :( |
| 21:31.53 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: indeed :-( |
| 21:32.14 | JoshBorke | anyway, time to go home |
| 21:32.17 | JoshBorke | ciao for now |
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| 21:32.59 | kremonte | whoa |
| 21:33.02 | kremonte | first time i flew into UC |
| 21:33.05 | kremonte | that fp is coool |
| 21:34.52 | Adrine | I think I'm addicted to bidding on expiring domain names |
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| 21:42.32 | AnduinLothar | .... odd... i have a gui here that says the tank has 2 bok |
| 21:42.58 | wereHamster | different ranks.. |
| 21:43.25 | AnduinLothar | now it onyl says 1... looks liek my ui's not always updating |
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| 22:19.29 | Kirov | cmunn - so, to answer your question about the ctraid channel |
| 22:20.56 | Kirov | cmunn - main tanks / targets list, /rs commands, buff timers, resurection, durability, item counts, resistances, ready checks, and voting is done through the ctra channel |
| 22:21.12 | Kirov | there's a few others as well |
| 22:21.56 | cmunn | Thanks |
| 22:22.00 | Kirov | It used to send player health / mana values, as well as main tank's target's name, health |
| 22:22.10 | Kirov | But those have since been made part of the api |
| 22:22.18 | cmunn | :) |
| 22:22.24 | cmunn | Got a new question you might can help me with |
| 22:23.06 | cmunn | if ( strsub(event, 1, 13) == "CHAT_MSG_RAID" ) |
| 22:23.20 | cmunn | Why not just if ( event == "CHAT_MSG_RAID" ) ? |
| 22:23.32 | Kirov | what line? |
| 22:23.51 | cmunn | CT_RaidAssist.lua:469 |
| 22:24.30 | cmunn | (or nearby, I've done a number of changes to the file so far) |
| 22:25.31 | Kirov | curious |
| 22:25.34 | Kirov | can't see a reason for it |
| 22:25.58 | cmunn | I'll ask him about it when he gets back :) |
| 22:26.11 | Kirov | might be a while |
| 22:26.13 | kremonte | because there are different _RAID things |
| 22:26.16 | kremonte | (i asked him a while ago) |
| 22:26.25 | Kirov | kremonte - are there? |
| 22:26.41 | kremonte | that's what he said |
| 22:27.06 | cmunn | but it'd still be CHAT_MSG_RAID even if there's other *_RAID yes? |
| 22:27.13 | wereHamster | yes |
| 22:27.14 | kremonte | not sure |
| 22:27.17 | cmunn | hrm... |
| 22:27.23 | kremonte | there might be garbage or something |
| 22:27.24 | Kirov | kremonte - there may have been in the past, but there aren't any more |
| 22:27.29 | kremonte | well you tell him :P |
| 22:27.33 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:27.35 | cmunn | Heh |
| 22:28.01 | cmunn | So how long have y'all been writing WoW UI Mods? |
| 22:28.22 | Kirov | checking wowwiki, and 1.10 code, only event I can find is CHAT_MSG_RAID by itself |
| 22:29.16 | wereHamster | for about a year |
| 22:29.19 | Kirov | cmunn - as far as writing mods on my own that I release, about 9 months |
| 22:29.31 | Kirov | Been doing this for over a year though making little things for myself originally, and modding CTRaid |
| 22:29.41 | Kirov | for my own evil purposes |
| 22:29.45 | wereHamster | my first perforce checkins are dated at 2005-06-?? |
| 22:30.10 | Kirov | hehe |
| 22:30.22 | cmunn | Heh, seems like modding CTRaid for evil purposes is a good way to get into things then |
| 22:30.50 | Elviso | question: why is GameTooltipTextLeft2:GetText() all of a sudden returning nil for my QuickMountEquip? ugh |
| 22:30.55 | Kirov | yeah, cide's and gello's stuff have been good stepping stones |
| 22:32.17 | groll | omg i sooo love those zonefix addons :D |
| 22:32.27 | groll | 6 seconds instead of 40+ :P |
| 22:33.02 | Kirov | Though I've heard of some weird issues with them |
| 22:35.17 | Tem | what do you call it when people blame the wrong thing for a problem? |
| 22:36.48 | AnduinLothar | ignorance |
| 22:37.17 | ckknight | could be zealotry or fanaticism, Tem |
| 22:37.25 | ckknight | depending on the situation |
| 22:37.43 | Tem | ignorance is too condescending |
| 22:37.48 | Tem | though it's what I'm thinking |
| 22:38.47 | Kirov | Tem - ill placed blame? |
| 22:40.07 | Tem | that'll work |
| 22:40.25 | AnduinLothar | misdirected |
| 22:40.34 | AnduinLothar | ill informed |
| 22:40.44 | AnduinLothar | a falacy |
| 22:41.05 | Kirov | I avoid using the word falacy when I can |
| 22:41.06 | AnduinLothar | falaciousness |
| 22:41.14 | Kirov | especially on message boards |
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| 23:35.45 | ComicSansMS | [01:13] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing serious problems with connectivity to our European hub. Investigating now. |
| 23:35.46 | ComicSansMS | - |
| 23:35.46 | ComicSansMS | [01:22] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We momentarily lost our connection between our European and US hubs. We're told there are reports of ssh and http connection problems, so this may have been a large backbone glitch. If you have any information, please let us know; we're looking into it. |
| 23:35.46 | ComicSansMS | - |
| 23:35.47 | ComicSansMS | [01:22] -lilo- [Global Notice] Everything seems back to normal. Thanks for your patience, and thank you for using freenode! |
| 23:35.58 | wereHamster | level3 had problems.. |
| 23:36.03 | cmunn | wh00 it works |
| 23:36.41 | ComicSansMS | well, i'm goin to bed now. good night @ll! |
| 23:36.45 | cmunn | Night |
| 23:36.53 | wereHamster | night |
| 23:37.06 | cmunn | I got CT_Raid to support non-raid groups |
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| 23:42.25 | cmunn | And it's compatible with the real CT_Raid |
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| 23:46.33 | duke|ib | i think you need to run fdisk, that'll fix it right away |
| 23:50.27 | cmunn | Is it possible to set like an "anti-dependancy"? like "Don't enable if X Mod is enabled" |
| 23:51.57 | Adrine | You could make it an optional dependency of the don't-load mod and then just short-circuit your mod if you find that the other mod is loaded. |
| 23:52.10 | Adrine | Or rather, make the other mod an optional dependency of yours |
| 23:54.10 | cmunn | hrm... That's possible |
| 23:54.50 | cmunn | Oh, and I'll just pop up a little error message to disable the other mod if they want my added functionality. |
| 23:54.52 | cmunn | xD |
