| 00:00.20 | Miravlix | There is several comercial solutions, requiresing a certain format on the server |
| 00:01.21 | Iriel | apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade FTW |
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| 00:01.46 | Miravlix | Yes, those is really nice |
| 00:01.55 | AnduinLothar | heya Legorol |
| 00:02.23 | AnduinLothar | auto reconnect ftl |
| 00:02.48 | AnduinLothar | there needs to be a connect msg like there is a quit msg |
| 00:03.06 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.24 | AnduinLothar | no no, i mean liek the quit message |
| 00:04.00 | AnduinLothar | <--ckknight has quit ("Leaving") |
| 00:04.38 | AnduinLothar | so like --> ckknight has joined #WoWI-lounge ("Still afk: Auo-reconnect") |
| 00:04.55 | AnduinLothar | nm... |
| 00:05.01 | Miravlix | Please no I hate the spam |
| 00:05.17 | AnduinLothar | it'd be the same number of messages |
| 00:05.25 | AnduinLothar | it would jsuy have more content |
| 00:05.34 | Miravlix | The server can't create the connect |
| 00:05.47 | Miravlix | so it would be the client saying it in channel |
| 00:05.59 | Miravlix | then changing nick to something[afk] |
| 00:06.01 | Tem | Miravlix: I think you are misunderstanding |
| 00:06.06 | Miravlix | then /me'ing going afk |
| 00:06.19 | Tem | I think he wants a change to the protocol to allow join messages |
| 00:06.23 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:06.24 | Tem | just like it has part messages |
| 00:06.33 | Miravlix | I'm an ex ircd developer |
| 00:06.39 | Tem | this is not an irc client feature request |
| 00:06.49 | Tem | it's an irc protocol feature request |
| 00:07.12 | AnduinLothar | never gonna happen, jsut me rambling about something to save myself from my own ignorance |
| 00:07.19 | Tem | aye |
| 00:07.47 | _B | Agree |
| 00:07.53 | Tem | I really wish my client would remember the nick I was using when it reconnects |
| 00:08.08 | Tem | and would automate the /ns ghost stuff to keep it |
| 00:08.09 | AnduinLothar | spose you could make a client message that detects probable auto-reconnects and tags them |
| 00:09.04 | Tem | spose I could use xchat's scripting interface to do that |
| 00:09.08 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 00:09.13 | Tem | but I don't know any of the languages it supports |
| 00:09.19 | AnduinLothar | research |
| 00:09.28 | AnduinLothar | if you care enough |
| 00:09.32 | Tem | far too lazy for such a mild convenience |
| 00:10.10 | AnduinLothar | so... i'm trying to avoid a python error with passing > 255 args to an eval() call... |
| 00:10.22 | AnduinLothar | i'm not really sure where to start |
| 00:10.32 | AnduinLothar | since it's not my code to begin with |
| 00:11.09 | AnduinLothar | anyone know anything more about python eval other than what the docs say? |
| 00:11.55 | AnduinLothar | basicly my rudimentary parser blows up if there are too many tags |
| 00:12.18 | Iriel | Can't you pass the data as a single data structure? |
| 00:12.23 | Iriel | Instead of 255 args, one list arg |
| 00:12.24 | Iriel | ? |
| 00:13.28 | AnduinLothar | i'm still fuzzy on how the code works so i'm trying to figure out what exactly the calls do to reverse engineer it enough to allow me to understand and correctly change |
| 00:14.19 | AnduinLothar | i assume eval executes python code |
| 00:14.45 | Iriel | I think eval is python's RunScript equivalent |
| 00:14.51 | AnduinLothar | right |
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| 00:16.00 | AnduinLothar | ah, ic what it does |
| 00:16.09 | AnduinLothar | didn't know you could do that |
| 00:16.54 | AnduinLothar | looks like it passes a single string with commas representing divisions in code lines |
| 00:17.27 | AnduinLothar | so: eval("a=1,b=2") |
| 00:18.04 | AnduinLothar | so i can probably just split the commas in chunks of 254 |
| 00:18.15 | AnduinLothar | or eval them each individually |
| 00:19.17 | AnduinLothar | least i think that's what it does... i didn't see that documented... but i didn't look exceptionally hard |
| 00:20.42 | AnduinLothar | i could use a while loop and a search i think.. |
| 00:21.16 | Iriel | Can't you do something like |
| 00:21.26 | Iriel | eval("[1,2,3]") ? |
| 00:21.40 | Iriel | My python skillz are virtual non-existant, but there's a list constructor in there |
| 00:22.06 | AnduinLothar | right, that would return a list i believe |
| 00:22.30 | ckknight | some guildies running macs have issues with cosmos |
| 00:22.35 | ckknight | they can't right-click on anything |
| 00:22.42 | AnduinLothar | the parser should be smart enough to not check for ,'s inside closures |
| 00:22.49 | cladhaire | ckknight: Undocumented "Feature" =) |
| 00:22.57 | AnduinLothar | tell them to dissable tacklebox or use alpha |
| 00:23.08 | AnduinLothar | not a mac ug |
| 00:23.11 | AnduinLothar | bug* |
| 00:23.46 | AnduinLothar | i just haven't pushed a release since 1.10.1 and they removed out hook technique |
| 00:23.51 | AnduinLothar | our* |
| 00:24.38 | AnduinLothar | what i might be able to do is return a list of statements instead of a single string |
| 00:25.13 | AnduinLothar | that last staement wasn't about cosmos |
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| 00:26.09 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 00:26.22 | Iriel | reQZot |
| 00:26.44 | AnduinLothar | oh... i was wrong, it doesn't let you use commas that way |
| 00:27.20 | AnduinLothar | the commas are for function call args in the code |
| 00:27.35 | AnduinLothar | one or more that has too many |
| 00:27.44 | AnduinLothar | it's not the eval statement that has the error |
| 00:27.58 | AnduinLothar | it's one of the calls that it's trying to evaluate |
| 00:28.53 | AnduinLothar | gah, brain hurt |
| 00:29.33 | AnduinLothar | mmm, inherant parse problem |
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| 00:30.10 | AnduinLothar | wont let you have 255 tags in one tag |
| 00:30.30 | Miravlix | Borken internet ftl |
| 00:31.51 | AnduinLothar | so i'll have to rework the whole thing to use some sort of refrence and append... |
| 00:32.42 | AnduinLothar | or cap the song count at 150 |
| 00:32.53 | AnduinLothar | 100* |
| 00:33.22 | Iriel | Why are you using eval? |
| 00:33.23 | AnduinLothar | or use a different parser.. |
| 00:33.48 | AnduinLothar | well i found code for a simple parser and used it cause it was easy |
| 00:34.00 | AnduinLothar | looks like i should just use expat or soemthing |
| 00:34.38 | Iriel | is this for parsing XML? |
| 00:34.41 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 00:35.16 | Iriel | Is there a stream style parser lib available (like SAX ?) |
| 00:35.29 | AnduinLothar | i've used expat in the past, so i might have an example somewhere, i just remember it being non-intuitive |
| 00:36.00 | AnduinLothar | not sure, what i'd really like is an xml parser that converts it into embedded dictionaries |
| 00:36.11 | AnduinLothar | which this one did |
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| 00:37.49 | Miravlix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4222 |
| 00:38.03 | Miravlix | For all the UI haters, now you can get a program that makes your UI for you |
| 00:38.52 | AnduinLothar | *all* == "Native Win32 application developed in C# 2005 requiring .Net v2.0." |
| 00:40.32 | Miravlix | Yeah, well I didn't notice the mickey mouse language |
| 00:41.00 | cladhaire | Its also existed for.. a good nine months I believe |
| 00:41.17 | Miravlix | It's the first public beta |
| 00:42.06 | Iriel | For some strange definition of 'first' |
| 00:42.11 | Iriel | Given it's been around for _ages_ |
| 00:42.28 | AnduinLothar | w/e... needs to be web based |
| 00:42.31 | Miravlix | These notes refer to wowuides.exe version 1.0.300.x, the public beta release. |
| 00:43.11 | Iriel | Yes, but 1.0.200.0 was the _FIRST_ public beta release |
| 00:43.17 | cladhaire | It was in private beta for a long time. |
| 00:43.32 | cladhaire | private meaning ask on WoWI and you were in =) |
| 00:43.39 | Iriel | And that was released in november |
| 00:43.56 | Miravlix | So? |
| 00:44.01 | AnduinLothar | ...not worth arguing about guys |
| 00:44.56 | cladhaire | Wasn't really arguing.. I was just saying its nothing new =) |
| 00:45.08 | Miravlix | Wtf does that matter? |
| 00:45.16 | AnduinLothar | stop, guys |
| 00:45.21 | Miravlix | It's still not something 99% of the ppl know |
| 00:45.34 | cladhaire | Miravlix: Stop being so defensive.. I made one comment. I'm done with this, you shoudl be too. |
| 00:45.42 | Tain | I like cake. |
| 00:45.42 | Miravlix | Is there some crime in mention dev software here? |
| 00:46.27 | cladhaire | No, there isn't.. and no one got on your case.. we were having a discussino. and I was going to discuss my opinions of using the software, but apparently we can't talk about things like that.. so carry on. |
| 00:47.10 | AnduinLothar | i like cake too, tain |
| 00:47.22 | cladhaire | My mom makes an amazing cheesecake |
| 00:47.32 | cladhaire | I have the recipe, so I made it for a potluck last month at work =) |
| 00:47.39 | AnduinLothar | i make a mean 'dissapearing' chocolate cake |
| 00:47.40 | cladhaire | People liked it a lot. |
| 00:47.45 | Tain | I just ate chocolate cake. |
| 00:48.20 | Iriel | I just ate Minute Maid All Natural Fruit Snacks |
| 00:48.23 | Iriel | They're delicious also |
| 00:48.27 | Miravlix | cladhaire, What was your point in telling everyone your a leet kid and have known about this for ages then? |
| 00:48.34 | AnduinLothar | mike's lemonade and snickers |
| 00:48.56 | Tain | Sam Adams Black Lager and chocolate cake. Mmm mmm |
| 00:48.57 | cladhaire | Are you honestly serious? |
| 00:48.59 | AnduinLothar | everyone wants to be a leet kid |
| 00:49.18 | Tain | I'm a leet adult |
| 00:49.24 | AnduinLothar | i'm a kid |
| 00:49.36 | Miravlix | It just seems so strangely pointless? |
| 00:49.40 | AnduinLothar | who dreams of being leet hacker |
| 00:50.13 | AnduinLothar | stop pushing eachother's buttons, kids |
| 00:50.40 | Tain | There actually isn't any button pushing going on, it's really odd to see a one-sided argument keep going and going and going |
| 00:51.02 | AnduinLothar | repeat these words: "I am NOT a button pusher. I am more than that. I MAKE buttons to be pushed instead!" |
| 00:51.06 | clad|afk | Miravlix: And you telling a community of people who have known about it for nine months seemed equally pointless. Hence my comment. I'm done with this, take it to tells if you have an issue-- which you apparnetly do. I won't make these people endure this BS. |
| 00:54.43 | Miravlix | Guess we can just talk about undsicovered 1.11 changes then, since those hasn't been mentioned in this channel yet., but since slouken come here we can't do that either since he knows already. |
| 00:54.43 | Cairenn | oooookay, how come the UI forum is getting so much CM luv'n today? |
| 00:55.01 | Iriel | The CM's finally realized it was the only forum that didn't suck? |
| 00:55.03 | AnduinLothar | prolyl cause i haven't been posting |
| 00:55.07 | Tain | haha |
| 00:55.09 | Cairenn | I've seen posts by 2 others besides slouken |
| 00:56.04 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Tseric has always been a little more on teh UI knowledge.. he talked a bit about some of the more technical things back when he first showed up. |
| 00:56.04 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Who was the second? |
| 00:56.04 | Tain | Probably was a bunch of CMs sitting around at lunch bitching about how much abuse they take from everyone. And slouken said, "I don't know what you guys are talking about." |
| 00:56.04 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 00:56.04 | Iriel | tigerclaw appears to be a dev not a CM, but perhaps I'm not seeing a bulk of his other posts |
| 00:56.05 | Tain | So they all had to come see for themselves. |
| 00:56.05 | Cairenn | tigerclaw |
| 00:56.05 | Iriel | His post was technically rich and interesting |
| 00:56.05 | Cairenn | well, dev, cm, whatever, we're getting more "blue" attention today |
| 00:56.07 | Cairenn | I'm just wondering what's going on |
| 00:56.07 | cladhaire | Iriel: tigerclaw is the lead support/dev on the mac client |
| 00:56.25 | cladhaire | and did a lot of the work on the event optimization as well (from what I understand) |
| 00:56.39 | Iriel | Ah I think I said 'hi' to him at blizzcon |
| 00:59.00 | AnduinLothar | there, i made my contribution |
| 00:59.36 | AnduinLothar | tho, come to think of it... i think i stole the blp converters while i was there... |
| 00:59.38 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: It'd be spectacular if they could give us something, perhaps in the UI toolkit. or at least a plugin. |
| 00:59.39 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:59.53 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: lol |
| 01:00.22 | AnduinLothar | i know i have one of them, not sure if i go tthe other one... one was tga2blp and the other was blp2ga |
| 01:00.32 | AnduinLothar | blp2tga* |
| 01:00.40 | Iriel | They really do need to release those |
| 01:00.57 | cladhaire | Just standalone converters? |
| 01:01.10 | Cairenn | wish to hell they would |
| 01:01.17 | Iriel | Ideally in source form |
| 01:01.25 | AnduinLothar | ya. i picked um off of pulic drives so i'm not sue if they are the onyl ones in use |
| 01:01.26 | Iriel | Or at least release win32, mac, AND linux binaries |
| 01:01.34 | Miravlix | "Slouken: API Request : copy to clipboard" <- this will never happend because it's live communication? |
| 01:01.34 | AnduinLothar | public* |
| 01:02.08 | Iriel | Well, if they meant 'copy to some clipboard area only wow can get to'it could be okay, but I'm with you on the general "this wont happen" feeling about that |
| 01:02.46 | AnduinLothar | they would have to encrypt it in memory to avoid it being plucked |
| 01:03.02 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: In order to do that they' |
| 01:03.04 | AnduinLothar | just save to a var |
| 01:03.05 | Miravlix | It's copy to Windows Clipboard |
| 01:03.07 | cladhaire | err |
| 01:03.24 | cladhaire | yeah, what Mira said.. you couldn't really have an encryption layer if it goes to windows clip |
| 01:03.27 | Miravlix | We do have that ability just not from the lua API |
| 01:03.36 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 01:03.47 | Iriel | At this point the OP on that thread is just whining |
| 01:03.52 | AnduinLothar | they finally put it into the patcher too, yay |
| 01:03.52 | Miravlix | The idea would be copytoclipboard("text") |
| 01:04.01 | Iriel | Logdan already noted it could be done by an addon |
| 01:04.49 | Miravlix | ief allows the user to mark and wow allows the user to copy |
| 01:05.07 | Miravlix | But an url grabber could benefit from auto copying it |
| 01:05.22 | Miravlix | Right now autograbbing something and you have to open a window the user copy paste from |
| 01:05.30 | Iriel | Yeah, any kind of no-hardware-event-required copytoclipboard would make data extraction trivial |
| 01:05.40 | AnduinLothar | i have a ReURL that just puts it into the chat editbox when you click the url link |
| 01:06.07 | Miravlix | I can't copy/paste from any chat window |
| 01:06.23 | Miravlix | I'm wondering if some addon is preventing it. like chatscroll |
| 01:06.34 | AnduinLothar | no, you're not sposed to be able to |
| 01:06.39 | cladhaire | Miravlix: You can't fromt he chat windows |
| 01:06.42 | Miravlix | I forget what the default UI does |
| 01:06.54 | Miravlix | Hmm, is it something we can fix? |
| 01:07.03 | cladhaire | I've never looked at it tbh |
| 01:07.16 | Miravlix | Would be nice being able to copy/paste chat |
| 01:07.17 | AnduinLothar | i could easily make an addon that lets you click the text and put it in the editbox.. |
| 01:07.30 | AnduinLothar | or editbox the current page |
| 01:08.14 | AnduinLothar | to sellect more than one message at a time would require duplicate storage |
| 01:08.54 | AnduinLothar | and there would have to be a toggle button or binding so you could click through it normally |
| 01:09.08 | Miravlix | Shift+Clicking marks |
| 01:09.15 | Miravlix | clicking pass through? |
| 01:09.47 | AnduinLothar | normally the buttons are dissabled, the itemlinks actually uses invisible overlay frames |
| 01:09.59 | AnduinLothar | mouse buttons are dissabled* |
| 01:09.59 | Iriel | I had a dream last night about UI lag in WoW |
| 01:10.06 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 01:10.18 | Iriel | I'd forgotten all about it until I saw the "Lag spike every time Windfury buff resets?" forum thread |
| 01:11.21 | Miravlix | Is there any way for me to profile the number of Tooltip:SetX calls my addons does? |
| 01:11.30 | AnduinLothar | hook the call |
| 01:11.41 | AnduinLothar | calls* |
| 01:12.00 | Miravlix | But there is no SetX function in general to hook? |
| 01:12.12 | AnduinLothar | nope, might eb a way to metadata hook it |
| 01:12.18 | cladhaire | We should get access to the debug.hook function.. we could have lots of fun with that =) |
| 01:12.26 | Iriel | You can hook the metamethod |
| 01:12.42 | Miravlix | Yeez, no we would actually get to see how bad it is to run 170 addons |
| 01:12.47 | AnduinLothar | does that return the function name? |
| 01:12.54 | Iriel | Well, actually, hook the metatable on that frame, and then inside do a proxy metamethod |
| 01:13.00 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:13.07 | AnduinLothar | for loop any that start with set |
| 01:13.09 | Iriel | every time a frame method is called __index gets called with the method as its 2nd arg |
| 01:13.18 | AnduinLothar | sounds doable |
| 01:13.19 | Miravlix | I can't hook GamgeTooltipTemplate somehow? |
| 01:13.25 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 01:13.37 | Iriel | You CAN, however, hook __index in the frame metatable |
| 01:13.41 | Iriel | it's shared by ALL tables |
| 01:13.48 | Iriel | all frames, sorry |
| 01:13.50 | AnduinLothar | true, itterate them all |
| 01:13.54 | cladhaire | So you'd get any tooltips, not just the ones you'd expect |
| 01:13.56 | Iriel | Dont have to iterate any |
| 01:14.15 | Iriel | Though enumerateframes and a GetObjectType check gets you that list if you DO want to iterate |
| 01:14.48 | Miravlix | I think, I will just hook the global functions that relates to inventory and spellbook |
| 01:14.53 | Legorol | g'evening |
| 01:14.58 | AnduinLothar | heya leg |
| 01:15.06 | Miravlix | It's those I want to figure out how many uses |
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| 01:15.24 | Miravlix | Though the badness part is the tooltip lookup |
| 01:15.50 | Kemayo | Is there a convenient variable representing the default font color? |
| 01:16.04 | cladhaire | Miravlix: You can like Iriel suggested, hook __index for the two you'd like SetSpell, SetInventoryItem or whatever they are, that way you'll get them for anything that inherits from GameTooltip |
| 01:16.25 | cladhaire | Probably the best way to do it. |
| 01:16.32 | Iriel | Kemayo : GameFontNormal:GetFontColor() ? |
| 01:16.58 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.59 | Legorol | you can hook __index and check the name of the object the access is being done on, to filter |
| 01:17.01 | Iriel | That one's easier |
| 01:17.17 | Iriel | Just be very careful hooking __index and THEN trying to call frame methods, or you'll stick yourself in a loop |
| 01:17.22 | cladhaire | Legorol: *nod* all depends if you want to catch other addon's lookups as well, which I suspect you might |
| 01:17.39 | Legorol | cladhaire: that's why i said filter on the name of the object being accessed |
| 01:17.49 | Legorol | you can restrict it to just your own objects or any subset |
| 01:17.54 | cladhaire | Yeppers =) |
| 01:18.00 | cladhaire | the shared metatable makes for some fun stuff =) |
| 01:18.02 | AnduinLothar | so go do it! |
| 01:18.06 | Iriel | Legorol : How do you find its name ? |
| 01:18.12 | Iriel | Legorol : That was the cause of my warning 8-) |
| 01:18.13 | Miravlix | I'm writing Sea spellbook and Sea inventory libraries, but I'm not entirely sure if thats the real case of in game lag |
| 01:18.36 | Miravlix | So it would be nice profiling if making those libraries is the best use of my time |
| 01:19.13 | AnduinLothar | wardrobe has some 'recently' rewritten inventory/item/containeritem info you might like |
| 01:19.32 | AnduinLothar | extraction functions that would be nice in a lib |
| 01:19.36 | Legorol | Iriel: GetName() |
| 01:19.43 | Iriel | Legorol : Thus my warning 8-) |
| 01:19.44 | Legorol | i know it's not very eficient |
| 01:19.50 | Legorol | but you can actually cache it |
| 01:19.57 | Miravlix | Still working on Sea spellbook finishing that one first. |
| 01:19.58 | Iriel | Legorol : self:GetName() inside __index == loop if you dont think about it first |
| 01:20.08 | Legorol | ah right, that's what you meant |
| 01:20.11 | Iriel | Legorol : you need oldIndex(self,"GetName")(self) |
| 01:20.14 | Legorol | i thought you were warning about it being inefficient |
| 01:20.17 | Miravlix | Already figured out there is no point in watching SPELLS_CHANGED |
| 01:20.30 | Iriel | Ah no, it was the accidental infinite loop |
| 01:20.34 | AnduinLothar | need it for added spells |
| 01:20.36 | Iriel | Having done it myself a few times with metatables |
| 01:20.37 | Miravlix | You just need to watch LEARNED_NEW_SPELL_IN_TAB and Player gained a level |
| 01:20.50 | AnduinLothar | oh? |
| 01:21.01 | cladhaire | Yeah, that's the only time they change =) |
| 01:21.05 | Miravlix | Yeps, Player leveling = Mana change |
| 01:21.05 | Legorol | Iriel: unless your __index method only calls GetName if it's one of the monitored keys that is indexed |
| 01:21.06 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 01:21.08 | Legorol | which GetName wouldn't be |
| 01:21.10 | Legorol | so no loop |
| 01:21.15 | cladhaire | I recoded the spellbook for my WDConfig |
| 01:21.17 | Miravlix | LEARNED is for anything new |
| 01:21.29 | Iriel | Legorol : True, as long as your monitored keys dont include GetName |
| 01:21.33 | Miravlix | Including new as in changed a spell on a warrior |
| 01:21.46 | Legorol | Iriel: it depends on what's more efficient to filter on first, method name or object name |
| 01:21.54 | Legorol | but i agree with the warning :-) |
| 01:22.14 | Miravlix | I don't recall anything else that can effect the spellbook in a way that requires a full spellbook read and tooltip lookup |
| 01:22.44 | cladhaire | Miravlix: That's my experience as well |
| 01:23.17 | Miravlix | I would lookup attack, shoot and a few others every time the user ask about them though |
| 01:23.32 | Miravlix | It wont hurt doing one tooltip looktup on those all the time |
| 01:25.57 | cladhaire | The main issues I ran into was with cooldowns, etc and getting general solutions that get the spell info every time =) |
| 01:26.20 | Miravlix | You have the cooldown api |
| 01:26.25 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 01:26.28 | Miravlix | so why would you need to tooltip check that? |
| 01:26.30 | Legorol | There is one big problem with using __index to hook function calls: if an AddOn has already hooked one of the functions in that object, __index doesn't get called. |
| 01:26.37 | AnduinLothar | i liek the new IsAttacking lib |
| 01:26.42 | cladhaire | Miravlix: BEcause the spell info gets moved down a line if the spell is on cooldown |
| 01:26.51 | cladhaire | so you have to code specifically for it.. or have a general solution |
| 01:26.57 | cladhaire | which is what I went with =) |
| 01:26.59 | AnduinLothar | he took my IsMounted methods and ran with um :) |
| 01:27.36 | Miravlix | Aah, so it's simply a spellbook scanning issue. |
| 01:27.45 | Legorol | This gives me an idea: could it give a speedup if you copy all method references (obtained via __index) from the C layer and added them to the Lua table? |
| 01:28.01 | Miravlix | You can't make a /hook <function> ? |
| 01:28.01 | Iriel | Legorol: Did you ever see my SecretSauce addon? |
| 01:28.02 | Legorol | that way, no need to go via __index on the method call, but can go directly to calling the function |
| 01:28.08 | AnduinLothar | didn't iriel do that alreayd.. |
| 01:28.12 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:28.13 | Iriel | Yes, I did |
| 01:28.14 | Legorol | didn't know :-) |
| 01:28.31 | Iriel | A fairly exhaustive set of tests, you can find the results in the zip file I think |
| 01:28.31 | AnduinLothar | is it any faster, now that it's had some resting time? |
| 01:28.43 | Iriel | Faster, sure, worth doing, not really |
| 01:28.53 | Legorol | but what about doing it "smartly"? |
| 01:29.00 | Legorol | e.g. hook __index, and cache the results |
| 01:29.04 | Legorol | or have you tried that too? |
| 01:29.04 | Iriel | I did that |
| 01:29.06 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:29.18 | Iriel | I would imagine I did everything you can think of 8-) |
| 01:29.27 | AnduinLothar | i remmeber it being exhaustive |
| 01:29.33 | Legorol | quite possibly, Iriel :-) |
| 01:29.35 | Iriel | I'll re-upload it |
| 01:29.36 | Legorol | but you never know.. |
| 01:29.39 | Legorol | nah, don't worry |
| 01:29.42 | Legorol | not too bothered |
| 01:29.50 | Iriel | Well, you should see the results |
| 01:29.56 | Legorol | oki |
| 01:29.57 | Iriel | You do like measured tests |
| 01:29.58 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:29.59 | AnduinLothar | if you're looking for things to do leg,m i have a list as usual ;) |
| 01:30.09 | Legorol | i know, i know |
| 01:30.16 | Legorol | i just got my comp fixed, so happy |
| 01:30.21 | AnduinLothar | yay! |
| 01:30.25 | Legorol | haven't been in-game for almost 2 weeks |
| 01:30.26 | Legorol | that's serious.. |
| 01:30.32 | Legorol | actually, more than that |
| 01:30.43 | Iriel | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 01:30.49 | Iriel | SecretSauce-0.12-11000.zip |
| 01:30.50 | AnduinLothar | taht's ok. i took a 2 month break from wow... |
| 01:31.01 | AnduinLothar | now i'm back and in a nifty fun guild |
| 01:31.12 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: how's your nightlife ;-) |
| 01:31.14 | Iriel | readme.txt and results.txt |
| 01:31.18 | Legorol | cool, thanks Iriel |
| 01:31.28 | Legorol | on the technical side of things, how do you think __index works? |
| 01:31.30 | AnduinLothar | i haven't had a nightlife since i came to college |
| 01:31.38 | Legorol | i presume it is able to get pointers to the C functions |
| 01:31.49 | Legorol | do you think it has to create some sort of Lua wrapper on the fly? |
| 01:31.59 | Iriel | Legorol : It looks at the userdata, figures out the C++ object type, then returns the appropriate function from an internal lookup list |
| 01:32.10 | Iriel | I dont think it creates anything on the fly, no |
| 01:32.13 | Legorol | i understand that, on principal grounds |
| 01:32.14 | AnduinLothar | nightlife == coding cool toys |
| 01:32.26 | Iriel | It's the runtime resolution of the type that is 'slow' |
| 01:32.27 | Legorol | but in order to return a Lua function reference, |
| 01:32.41 | Legorol | doesn't it need to create some sort of wrapper so it can be called from Lua? |
| 01:32.49 | Iriel | Well yes, but those are already all created |
| 01:32.54 | Legorol | you think so? |
| 01:33.03 | Iriel | I always get the same address when I call GetName |
| 01:33.06 | Legorol | that's what i was wondering, if they pre-create the Lua functions |
| 01:33.14 | Iriel | Well, it MAY be created on demand for the first hit |
| 01:33.18 | Legorol | or if __index generates them on-the-fly the first time |
| 01:33.22 | Iriel | but I would doubt it, that seems unnecessarily complicated |
| 01:33.37 | Tem | I don't think it needs to generate anything |
| 01:33.44 | Iriel | I would imagine they're pre-written and indexed by name so __index can find them |
| 01:33.57 | Tem | it's my understanding that any C function can be stuffed into the lua scope |
| 01:34.09 | Legorol | Tem: that's not my understanding |
| 01:34.19 | Legorol | i mean yes you can, but |
| 01:34.20 | Iriel | That's not exactly how it works either tem |
| 01:34.22 | AnduinLothar | ... what's the python __call__ func equate too? |
| 01:34.39 | Iriel | There's a certain parameter list it has to implement |
| 01:34.42 | Legorol | my understanding is that you can't just add a random C func. to the Lua namespace |
| 01:34.48 | Legorol | as Iriel says |
| 01:34.50 | Tem | okie |
| 01:35.01 | Tem | I never pretended to actually understand the c side of lua |
| 01:35.02 | Iriel | But beyond that, you can link pretty much anything |
| 01:35.21 | Legorol | the reason i'm asking: i'd imagine the actual methods have fairly simple native C implementations |
| 01:35.21 | Tem | oh dear... vael time |
| 01:35.30 | Legorol | i wonder if they make these C functions Lua compatible in the first place, or |
| 01:35.40 | Legorol | they have a separate "wrapper" for each one that is exposed to Lua |
| 01:35.56 | Legorol | considering the ease with which slouken seems to add methods to Lua, i'd imagine these functions already exist, |
| 01:35.59 | Legorol | and he is just making the wrappers |
| 01:36.04 | Legorol | i'm just guessing here though |
| 01:36.16 | Iriel | They likely have a C implementation of the function that picks up the appropriate params from lua, then calls the native C function |
| 01:36.30 | Legorol | that's what i meant by a wrapper |
| 01:36.33 | Legorol | that's my thought too |
| 01:36.35 | Iriel | Once you've written a couple of lua wrappers, they're really easy to do |
| 01:36.44 | Iriel | since lua provides libraries for all the fiddly stuff |
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| 01:37.17 | Guillotine | wow. the room really grew while I was on vacation :/ |
| 01:37.23 | Legorol | hi Guillotine |
| 01:37.28 | Legorol | btw, we haven't had 1.10.1 in EU yet |
| 01:37.30 | Guillotine | hi lego :) |
| 01:37.31 | Legorol | any changes to the UI? |
| 01:37.36 | Guillotine | yup |
| 01:37.38 | Guillotine | small one |
| 01:37.45 | Legorol | i heard something changed that borked the right-click-casting |
| 01:37.51 | Guillotine | no |
| 01:37.55 | Legorol | is my nifty method of hooking OnMouseDown/Up not work anymore? |
| 01:37.57 | Guillotine | only change was in how textures were handled |
| 01:38.03 | Legorol | so what borked FastCast in Cosmos? |
| 01:38.07 | AnduinLothar | right leg, they borked it |
| 01:38.14 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: what exactly did they do? |
| 01:38.17 | Legorol | no more setbinding? |
| 01:38.18 | Guillotine | oh. nm :) |
| 01:38.27 | AnduinLothar | the function you were using now does only what it says |
| 01:38.32 | Legorol | bleh :/ |
| 01:38.38 | Legorol | slouken told me it's not a big deal and they won't fix it :( |
| 01:38.43 | Legorol | i guess they changed their mind |
| 01:38.57 | AnduinLothar | ya, we reverted tacklebox in alpha |
| 01:39.11 | Miravlix | They didn't fix AutoBuffs using Mouse Buttons |
| 01:39.23 | Miravlix | Or is that because we haven't had 1.10.1 in EU? |
| 01:39.28 | Legorol | we haven't |
| 01:39.29 | Legorol | that's why |
| 01:39.38 | Legorol | Miravlix, i think that's the same issue as FastCast in TB |
| 01:39.39 | Miravlix | Autobuff use the scrollwheel |
| 01:39.45 | Miravlix | not the button as with TB |
| 01:39.49 | Legorol | ah |
| 01:39.57 | AnduinLothar | scrollwheel prolly works |
| 01:39.58 | Legorol | that's neat |
| 01:40.08 | Miravlix | So I just think you need to rethink it |
| 01:40.27 | Legorol | it's not so simple i don't think |
| 01:40.36 | Miravlix | If it can be done with scrollwheel it can be done with the button |
| 01:40.37 | Legorol | i was relying on being able to call TurnOrActionStop |
| 01:40.47 | Legorol | Miravlix, not really |
| 01:40.55 | Legorol | for me it doesn't matter what the button is |
| 01:41.05 | Legorol | what mattered for me is that i had access to the protected function TurnOrActionStop |
| 01:41.19 | Legorol | if they took that away, things are screwed |
| 01:41.28 | Legorol | but i might be able to come up with a different solution |
| 01:41.29 | Miravlix | But AutoBuff seems fine |
| 01:41.37 | Miravlix | It hasn't needed an update due to 1.10.1 |
| 01:41.39 | Legorol | but autobuff casts spells, doesn't it? |
| 01:41.48 | Miravlix | Fishing is spell casting too |
| 01:41.49 | Legorol | CastSpell is not a protected function |
| 01:41.57 | Legorol | that's not what i need for FastCast |
| 01:41.59 | Gryphen | ya but fishing is looting and casting |
| 01:42.00 | Legorol | i can cast the spell fine |
| 01:42.22 | Legorol | what i need is a method to simulate calling TurnOrActionStop |
| 01:42.31 | Legorol | which is protected, unlike CastSpell |
| 01:42.36 | Miravlix | Because TOAS loots? |
| 01:42.40 | Legorol | yes |
| 01:43.09 | Miravlix | No wonder he fixed that then |
| 01:43.13 | Legorol | until now, MouselookStop() was pretty much equivalent to TurnOrActionStop(), but wasn't protected |
| 01:43.23 | Legorol | but he said he wouldn't ;-) |
| 01:43.40 | Miravlix | Because he didn't realice MouselookStop = TurnOrActioNStop |
| 01:43.45 | Legorol | he did |
| 01:43.47 | Legorol | i told him |
| 01:43.55 | Legorol | and he said, yeah, whatever, not a big issue |
| 01:44.05 | Legorol | i guess they must've found a situation in which it is an issue that i didn't think of |
| 01:44.14 | Legorol | or they decided it's easy enough to fix, so might as well |
| 01:45.02 | Miravlix | You could write an auto looter with it |
| 01:45.07 | Legorol | there wasn't a way to do a full right-click (e.g. loot or NPC interaction) without hardware events anyway |
| 01:45.29 | Legorol | no you coudln't, becaused in order to loot, you need both calls: TurnOrActionStart (protected) and TurnOrActionStop |
| 01:45.36 | Legorol | (protected) |
| 01:45.45 | Tem|Vael | ugh |
| 01:45.46 | Legorol | the first one you can only do via a hardware event |
| 01:45.48 | Tem|Vael | 3% |
| 01:45.56 | cladhaire | Tem|Vael: We've been on him all night, and we're up to Nef =( |
| 01:45.57 | Legorol | it was the 2nd one that i could do from a script |
| 01:46.27 | Tem|Vael | we should have had him |
| 01:46.31 | Legorol | Actually I have an idea why they might have decided to fix it: |
| 01:46.46 | Legorol | my method allowed spellcasting whilst interacting with world objects with right-click |
| 01:46.57 | Legorol | so e.g. when you select a target with a right-click, you could automatically cast a spell on it |
| 01:47.07 | Legorol | with no additional key press |
| 01:47.42 | Legorol | i haven't tried that, but i think it was theoretically possible |
| 01:49.45 | Miravlix | Argh, I just wrote the worlds finest throttler and then I don't use it. |
| 01:49.59 | Miravlix | Hmm, i forgot what addon did I write it for? |
| 01:50.01 | Miravlix | Aah PQ |
| 01:50.27 | AnduinLothar | i was actually gonna rewrite the sky throttler to have an optional popup box to delay msgs over the limit to avoid disc |
| 01:50.59 | AnduinLothar | took notes in class today and i alreayd wrote sonething similar a month ago for another system |
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| 01:58.25 | Guillotine | hey Cairenn, you may want to remove the imp model file changes from WoWI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=359978&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 01:58.43 | Guillotine | blizz finally says outright that changing model files is off limits |
| 02:00.09 | Miravlix | Yeah, Slouken actually posted about that. |
| 02:01.15 | Iriel | Miravlix/AnduinLothar : Do your throttlers use the bandwidth values from GetNetStats() at all? |
| 02:01.35 | AnduinLothar | not mine |
| 02:02.13 | Miravlix | No, I use number of times I get called pr. second |
| 02:02.18 | AnduinLothar | there is a possibility that mine might need to institute a delay if a lag spike is detected |
| 02:02.52 | Miravlix | If I get called more than 5 times pr. second I start using Chronos.Schedulebyname |
| 02:03.30 | AnduinLothar | well the actual tested limit with about 50ms latency is around 1000 characters per second |
| 02:03.39 | Miravlix | As long as the UI keeps calling me more than 5 times pr. second I just keep doing Chronos calls and that bumps when we try to read |
| 02:03.59 | AnduinLothar | but your throttler is something diif |
| 02:04.07 | Miravlix | Chronos resets it's timer every time you set a new one |
| 02:04.07 | AnduinLothar | you're talking about calls |
| 02:04.16 | AnduinLothar | i'm talkign about outgoing chat msgs |
| 02:04.23 | Miravlix | I know |
| 02:04.49 | AnduinLothar | right, but they're inherently different in relation to iriel's question |
| 02:05.00 | Iriel | The actual D/C logic is based on bytes/sec from the client (regardless of origin) |
| 02:05.08 | Iriel | so counting calls doesn't necessarily help |
| 02:05.21 | Miravlix | Yes, your throttling something different |
| 02:06.44 | AnduinLothar | right iriel, you missed the distinction. we're throttling different things. he's talkign about throttling event calls |
| 02:06.58 | Miravlix | Weird |
| 02:07.04 | Miravlix | ChatFrame1 calls GetSpellName |
| 02:08.24 | Miravlix | Ugh CharacterViewer does a spellbook/inventory scan when I loot. o.O |
| 02:08.36 | AnduinLothar | lol, a full one? |
| 02:09.47 | Miravlix | It has no reason to call GetSpellName on looting |
| 02:09.55 | Miravlix | So it must be a full reload of all data |
| 02:10.43 | Miravlix | ChatFrame1 calls it when I'm out of range for doing charge |
| 02:10.50 | Miravlix | it's the ui error thing |
| 02:12.47 | Miravlix | Well, so far it's just CharacterViewer nonsense |
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| 02:12.55 | Miravlix | Need to try a spellcaster |
| 02:15.19 | Miravlix | I hate CV's code, not going to enjoy rewriting that one |
| 02:19.25 | Miravlix | UGH! |
| 02:19.34 | Miravlix | Autobuff does a full spellbook scan every time I scroll my mouse wheel |
| 02:20.25 | AnduinLothar | we already have a CV maintainer i believe, jsut need to see what he's done with it, maybe convince him change is good |
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| 02:58.53 | Miravlix | Hmm, did I just write /hook anyfunction |
| 03:02.44 | Miravlix | For the love of god! why can't getglobal be a lvalue |
| 03:02.58 | ckknight | ? |
| 03:03.08 | ckknight | why deos it need to be? |
| 03:03.17 | ckknight | does* |
| 03:03.52 | Miravlix | getglobal(name) = newfunc |
| 03:04.10 | Cide | setglobal(name, newfunc) ? |
| 03:04.31 | ckknight | yea, that's what setglobal is for |
| 03:04.41 | Legorol | Miravlix: technically, getglobal *can be* an lvalue |
| 03:04.48 | Legorol | getglobal = 3; is valid Lua :p |
| 03:04.55 | Legorol | (just kidding, please don't take it seriously) |
| 03:05.00 | Legorol | hehe |
| 03:05.18 | Miravlix | Yeah Setglobal gives me it as a lvalue, thanks |
| 03:05.37 | ckknight | no, not really |
| 03:05.43 | ckknight | you can just set it that way |
| 03:05.49 | ckknight | no lvalues necessary |
| 03:06.13 | Legorol | What's an lvalue? |
| 03:06.25 | Miravlix | whatever the syntax is getglobal(name) = table[name].func or setglobal(name, table[name].func) |
| 03:06.34 | Miravlix | Is the same idfference |
| 03:06.45 | Miravlix | left value, C term |
| 03:06.51 | Miravlix | left value = right value |
| 03:07.26 | Miravlix | So it's a matter of what side of an equal sign and some other operations it can be on |
| 03:07.39 | ckknight | I know |
| 03:07.49 | ckknight | but in setglobal9name, value) there is no lvalue |
| 03:08.01 | ckknight | (* |
| 03:08.10 | Miravlix | In the C code version of setglobal there is. :p |
| 03:08.27 | Miravlix | I'll bet you it's name = value of some kind |
| 03:08.44 | Legorol | setglobal(name, value) is identical to getfenv(0)[name] = value |
| 03:08.46 | Legorol | there's your lvalue |
| 03:09.07 | Tem|Vael | except that setglobal is in C land |
| 03:09.10 | Tem|Vael | so it may be faster |
| 03:09.14 | Legorol | yup |
| 03:09.29 | ckknight | thank you, Legorol |
| 03:09.44 | Tem|Vael | however, for repeated use, I suspect that indexing a local table would be faster than even a C function call |
| 03:09.44 | Legorol | ? |
| 03:09.54 | Legorol | Tem: yeah |
| 03:10.06 | Legorol | local gtable = getfenv(0) |
| 03:10.20 | Legorol | gtable[name] for getglobal, gtable[name] = value for setglobal |
| 03:11.30 | Legorol | hmm, now that i think about it.. i never tested if getglobal/setglobal properly respect function environment |
| 03:11.33 | Legorol | i'd imagine it does |
| 03:11.37 | Miravlix | Hmm, not quite perfection |
| 03:11.56 | Miravlix | And the broken ief means I can't see the error while my addon spams calls. |
| 03:13.22 | AnduinLothar | so fix it |
| 03:14.50 | Miravlix | Not enough hours, to much to fix. :p |
| 03:16.04 | Miravlix | OnLoad GetSpellName is called 10K times |
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| 03:24.05 | Ktron | heh, so I stopped working on my code, now I'm looking back thinking, 'what did this line do?' |
| 03:24.13 | Ktron | about a whole block of code:) |
| 03:25.17 | Iriel | This would be a moment to consider better comments in future 8-) |
| 03:26.13 | ckknight | ~emulate swedish chef |
| 03:26.14 | purl | Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork! |
| 03:26.59 | Cairenn | ~emulate Beaker |
| 03:27.00 | purl | ACTION meeps |
| 03:29.37 | Ktron | Oh, i have comments |
| 03:30.30 | ckknight | hooray |
| 03:30.37 | Miravlix | This makes no sense ZorlenFrame is calling GetSpellName 3032 times |
| 03:30.51 | Miravlix | I'm on a level 30 rogue, I don't freaking have 100 spells |
| 03:35.03 | Miravlix | _AutoBuff called GetSpellName 4K+ times |
| 03:35.13 | Miravlix | This is on load |
| 03:35.27 | Iriel | Full scan on every spell update event? |
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| 03:37.39 | Miravlix | ZorlenFrame called GetSpellName 88082 times |
| 03:51.28 | Miravlix | Thats insane |
| 03:51.28 | Miravlix | Must be a bug in my profiler |
| 03:51.29 | Miravlix | But my own addons returns the expected 40 GetSpellName calls |
| 03:51.29 | ckknight | maybe ZorlenFrame sucks? |
| 03:51.30 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/666505 |
| 03:51.31 | Miravlix | That can be made into a /hook function addon easily for profiling calls |
| 03:51.31 | Miravlix | I'm just not that far yet. |
| 03:51.32 | Tem | Miravlix: that is bad code to use for profiling |
| 03:51.32 | Tem | every one of your hooks has to pass through that Lix.Hook.func layer |
| 03:51.32 | Tem | which generates an extra table |
| 03:51.33 | Miravlix | Hmm? |
| 03:51.33 | Tem | the short answer is "Don't use ..." |
| 03:51.33 | Tem | ever |
| 03:51.33 | Miravlix | Who cares |
| 03:51.33 | Miravlix | It's just counting number of calls |
| 03:51.33 | Tem | well if you're using it for **profiling code** |
| 03:51.33 | Miravlix | I'm using it for profiling calls of API functions |
| 03:51.34 | Miravlix | it does that |
| 03:51.34 | Miravlix | It doesn't profile run time, or memory usage |
| 03:51.34 | Tem | okay |
| 03:51.35 | Miravlix | Only way to suport all functions with a random number of function arguments |
| 03:51.35 | Miravlix | The idea is to be able to /hook GetSpellName |
| 03:51.35 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-suggestions&ThreadID=789131 |
| 03:51.35 | Ktron | Can I abuse whitespace in LUA like this? http://wow.pastebin.com/666509 |
| 03:51.35 | ckknight | my God |
| 03:51.35 | ckknight | that is a horrible way to hook |
| 03:51.35 | ckknight | ~shudder |
| 03:51.37 | ckknight | ... |
| 03:51.37 | ckknight | perl, shudder is <action> shudders |
| 03:51.37 | Iriel | ... does have the advantage it always works |
| 03:51.37 | Iriel | And in fact is the ONLY safe way to do it. |
| 03:51.37 | ckknight | purl, shudder is <action> shudders |
| 03:51.38 | purl | okay, ckknight |
| 03:51.39 | ckknight | I suppose |
| 03:51.39 | Tem | but for things that you *know* the argument count never goes above a certain number |
| 03:51.39 | Miravlix | 1: it's a debug addon |
| 03:51.39 | Miravlix | 2: see 1 |
| 03:51.39 | ckknight | ... |
| 03:51.39 | Ktron | Iriel, what do you think of that forum post idea? |
| 03:51.39 | Iriel | The 'arg.n > 0' optimization seems silly though |
| 03:51.39 | Tem | (and when you aren't dealing with API that complain at you for passing extra nils) |
| 03:51.39 | Miravlix | I was worried about sending ( nil ) to the addon |
| 03:51.40 | Miravlix | err, I mean to the API |
| 03:51.40 | Miravlix | if it had undocumented paramater support we didn't realice? |
| 03:51.40 | Iriel | Ah, you wouldn't |
| 03:51.40 | Iriel | unpack({}) returns nothing |
| 03:51.40 | Miravlix | Nice |
| 03:51.40 | Iriel | as opposed to nil |
| 03:51.52 | Miravlix | So you would really do lix.hook.func(name, arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7, arg8, arg9, arg10, arg11, arg12, arg13, arg14, arg5) |
| 03:52.06 | Miravlix | and how would that work in return ourtable.oldFunc(??? ) |
| 03:52.12 | Iriel | Ktron : I'm not sure what you mean by 'abuse whitespace', but that kind of indenting/line breaks should work |
| 03:52.25 | Iriel | Miravlix : The argX form works, but has the downside you just alluded to |
| 03:52.38 | Iriel | Miravlix : Namely, if the function has parameter-count dependent behaviour, it breaks |
| 03:52.40 | Miravlix | It has garbage creation |
| 03:52.47 | Iriel | No, it doesn't |
| 03:52.56 | Miravlix | I mean ... does |
| 03:53.02 | Miravlix | Thats why it's bad as I recall |
| 03:53.04 | Iriel | Oh, yes, abolutely |
| 03:53.10 | Iriel | that's the only reason it's bad |
| 03:53.14 | Iriel | other than that it's great |
| 03:53.32 | Iriel | The best feature of lua 5.1 is that it implements ... cleanly |
| 03:53.54 | Legorol | O.o |
| 03:53.55 | Miravlix | But I don't see how this hooker could profile memory anyway |
| 03:53.57 | Ktron | Iriel, I just wasn't sure if "if () then if then" and "end end" were okay |
| 03:53.59 | Legorol | it doesn't generate garbage anymroe? |
| 03:54.15 | Miravlix | I could cleanly profile time perhaps |
| 03:54.22 | Iriel | Legorol : In lua 5.1 it doesn't, it's an operator rather than an implicit table creator |
| 03:54.23 | Tem | Legorol: it doesn't create a table anymore |
| 03:54.33 | Miravlix | by pack(ourTable.oldFunc() )? |
| 03:54.53 | Tem | it allows semi-direct access to the stack |
| 03:54.57 | Tem | which is pretty pimp |
| 03:54.58 | Legorol | Ktron: why do you need that complicated structure? you can just do if (i and i < uptoi) then ... end |
| 03:55.26 | Miravlix | But no one noticed any obevius errors? |
| 03:55.28 | Ktron | Legorol, will that throw an error if i is nil? |
| 03:55.32 | Legorol | nope |
| 03:55.41 | Legorol | the and operator is "short-circuited" |
| 03:55.51 | Legorol | meaning if the first expression is nil or false, it doesn't evaluate the second |
| 03:55.57 | Miravlix | wtf is so many of my addons doing GetSpellName so many times. |
| 03:57.11 | Iriel | play with debugstack() |
| 03:57.14 | Tem | you could use debugstack to |
| 03:57.17 | Tem | damn you iriel |
| 03:57.21 | Iriel | Find out where they're calling it from |
| 03:57.21 | Ktron | Legorol, yeah, I caught that... that's convienent |
| 03:57.55 | Tem | alright, I'm just goint to shutup |
| 03:57.59 | Tem | Iriel, you talk for me, k? |
| 03:58.04 | Iriel | that's no fun |
| 03:58.10 | Iriel | Plus I have to kill some thunder lizards |
| 03:58.15 | Iriel | so i wont be paying attention |
| 03:58.15 | Tem | conversations with yourself are awesome |
| 03:58.35 | Tem | Pitagora Suiichi! |
| 03:58.39 | Tem | *gah* |
| 03:58.42 | Kirov | if UnitName("player") == "Miravlix" then |
| 03:58.42 | Kirov | for i=1, 4000 do |
| 03:58.43 | Kirov | GetSpellName(1) |
| 03:58.43 | Kirov | end |
| 03:58.43 | Tem | *get out of my head!* |
| 03:58.50 | kremonte | lol tem |
| 03:58.56 | kremonte | PITA~GORA SUI~CCHI |
| 03:59.04 | Tem | it won't go away |
| 03:59.21 | Tem | it's been playing over and over in my head for the last 3 days |
| 04:00.11 | Miravlix | Zorlen Frame called GetSpellName 280798 times |
| 04:00.36 | Miravlix | Thats with 118 spells |
| 04:00.41 | Tem | lolzor |
| 04:00.49 | Miravlix | compared to my 40 spells on the rogue |
| 04:00.57 | Miravlix | Thats just... |
| 04:08.29 | Kirov | Klaatu barada nikto |
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| 04:16.51 | Kirov | hmm |
| 04:17.56 | Kirov | If I'm going to save the spellbook, is it save to just watch for LEARNED_SPELL_IN_TAB? |
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| 04:24.58 | Miravlix_ | Kirov, Depends on what you are reading from it |
| 04:26.46 | Kirov | Miravlix - I'm looking to cache all spell's with their name / rank = id |
| 04:28.10 | Miravlix | Then learned is more than enough |
| 04:28.31 | Miravlix | Though GetSpellName is not a slow operation, so it's not important to cache it |
| 04:30.28 | Miravlix | It's SetSpell that needs to be cached badly |
| 04:31.07 | Kirov | along with all the tooltips in the game |
| 04:40.01 | Miravlix | Every time I shapeshift 8 of mya ddons scans the spellbook |
| 04:40.57 | Miravlix | Even TackleBox scans the spellbook on shapeshift |
| 04:41.19 | Kirov | because SPELLBOOK_UPDATE gets fired |
| 04:42.01 | Kirov | or SPELLS_CHANGED |
| 04:42.03 | Kirov | whatever |
| 04:42.09 | Miravlix | SPELLS_CHANGED is irrelevant though |
| 04:42.36 | Miravlix | I think Tacklebox is the only one that should fire |
| 04:42.54 | Miravlix | Since it monitors something that you can only detect on SPELLS_CHANGED |
| 04:45.13 | Iriel | Which is what? |
| 04:45.25 | Miravlix | Fishing rod equip |
| 04:45.32 | Iriel | And why does that justify a scan? |
| 04:45.41 | Iriel | It should start by checking the ONE spell that it found last time |
| 04:45.44 | Iriel | fishing doesn't MOVE |
| 04:45.48 | Miravlix | Okay UnitBuff is done in MultibarFrame onupdate |
| 04:45.55 | Iriel | (or at least, not very often) |
| 04:46.01 | Miravlix | TB only scans what it needs |
| 04:46.17 | Miravlix | it's all the other morons that does a full spellbook scan and they don't even need to scan thats the problem |
| 04:46.20 | Kirov | And why wouldn't you wait for UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED arg1="player" and check the main hand? |
| 04:47.28 | Miravlix | I need to rwrite my handler to have a /printhookinfo function |
| 04:48.07 | Iriel | Miravlix : Tacklebox scans the whole general tab |
| 04:48.10 | Miravlix | Hihi, just double zoned on both |
| 04:48.13 | Iriel | It doesn't start by looking where it found it last time |
| 04:48.28 | Miravlix | It's texture scans pretty quick though |
| 04:48.48 | Iriel | so no, it doesn't "only scan what it needs".. If you're going to yell at all of the addons who do it badly, making cosmos' addons as good as they can get gives you significant karmic balance |
| 04:49.12 | Iriel | I wont disagree that it's likely good enough |
| 04:49.27 | Iriel | But many of the othere "morons that does a full spellbook scan" are probably good enough too 8-) |
| 04:49.29 | Miravlix | It would have to monitor spell changed and dirty it's location marker |
| 04:49.36 | Miravlix | No |
| 04:49.42 | Iriel | Well, not exactlyt |
| 04:49.47 | Miravlix | There is NO REASON to do a full spellbook scan |
| 04:49.54 | Iriel | it could say "is the last ID still fishing, if so, exit now, otherwise, look for it" |
| 04:50.00 | Miravlix | Nothing freaking changed on me going into bear form |
| 04:50.45 | Kirov | It's because most people hook SPELLS_CHANGED |
| 04:51.57 | Miravlix | Hmm, I scan on zone changed though |
| 04:52.51 | Iriel | Did you figure out the hundreds of thousands of calls thing yet? (In not-your-own-code) ? |
| 04:53.24 | Miravlix | I've not code verified if the nonsense is 100% accurate |
| 04:54.00 | Miravlix | But looking at the change in the number of calls from 40 spells to 118 it seems like a perfect multiplier |
| 04:54.06 | Miravlix | So I really think Zorlen is doing those calls |
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| 04:55.33 | Miravlix | But I think the real game breaker |
| 04:55.41 | Miravlix | is UnitBuff and SetUnitBuff |
| 04:55.54 | Miravlix | Those is done in OnUpdates or worse |
| 04:58.23 | Iriel | the tooltip one is pretty painful if abused |
| 04:58.38 | AnduinLothar | what's Zorlen? |
| 04:59.20 | Wobin_ | Sorry, came in midway... how's that Miravlix ? |
| 05:00.14 | Wobin_ | checking for buffs on OnUpdate? |
| 05:00.16 | Miravlix | Zorlen is a macro function library |
| 05:00.40 | Miravlix | And Iriel, I don't need to worry about Cosmos, any issues with it, is something I will fix |
| 05:03.16 | Miravlix | I'm more concerned about DruidFrameUpdate doing 6843 GetSpellName calls on zoning |
| 05:03.27 | Miravlix | Because that isn't an addon I can fix |
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| 05:06.27 | Kirov | heh |
| 05:06.31 | Kirov | new for patch 1.10.1 |
| 05:06.44 | Kirov | Crash anyone attempting to clear to twin emps |
| 05:07.16 | Elviso | we didn't crash on wednesday |
| 05:07.40 | Kirov | Our server keeps crashing when we start to clear |
| 05:08.00 | Miravlix | Does CHARACTER_POINTS_CHANGED fire on zoning? |
| 05:08.42 | Kirov | hmm |
| 05:08.51 | Kirov | when does that update? |
| 05:09.06 | Miravlix | Level up and using 1 talent point |
| 05:13.38 | AnduinLothar | there we go, finally patched in expat and a real parser... |
| 05:14.03 | AnduinLothar | worked on a small file, now to test on my 6 meg list of all mp3's |
| 05:14.53 | AnduinLothar | hmmm UnicodeEncodeError |
| 05:15.13 | AnduinLothar | UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u201a' in position 3: ordinal not in range(128) |
| 05:15.17 | AnduinLothar | whatever that means.. |
| 05:15.29 | Iriel | You need to make sure your reader is expecting utf-8 encoding |
| 05:15.37 | Iriel | I suspect it defaulted to ascii |
| 05:15.59 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, good point... |
| 05:16.19 | AnduinLothar | specially since the xml file says utf-8 in the header |
| 05:17.42 | Iriel | Most XML libraries dont adjust themselves based on that |
| 05:18.04 | AnduinLothar | ParserCreate( [encoding[, namespace_separator]]) |
| 05:18.07 | AnduinLothar | there we go |
| 05:24.06 | wereHamster | morning |
| 05:36.34 | Miravlix | My little call time profiler makes my computer freeze. |
| 05:37.49 | AnduinLothar | loading 6mb text files makes my compy crawl.. |
| 05:38.04 | Tem | *whistles innocently* |
| 05:38.59 | ckknight | haha! |
| 05:39.04 | krka | hmm... spells_changed... when is that called exactly? |
| 05:39.04 | Cairenn | GRATS Iriel!!! About frigging time! |
| 05:39.07 | ckknight | evil hooking fairy has smited you! |
| 05:39.35 | AnduinLothar | O.o? |
| 05:39.37 | Tem | Cair? |
| 05:39.42 | Tem | are you on drugs? |
| 05:39.49 | Cairenn | nope |
| 05:39.59 | ckknight | can I buy the ones you're not taking? |
| 05:40.09 | Kirov | Did slouken propose? |
| 05:40.10 | Tem | perhaps you could let us in on wtf you are talking about then? |
| 05:40.11 | Iriel | She's anticipating a slight shift towards light blue in my forum posts that might happen in the not too distant future. |
| 05:40.13 | Cairenn | he'll tell you when he's ready |
| 05:40.22 | Cairenn | which would be just now :) |
| 05:40.27 | Tem | heh |
| 05:40.39 | Cairenn | he got forum MVP for the UI forums! |
| 05:40.40 | Tem | Iriel's been light bleu for like 3 months on my machine |
| 05:40.40 | krka | wtf! why dont I get light blue?!? |
| 05:41.01 | krka | oh right.. i have never posted anythign |
| 05:41.13 | Wobin_ | linky? =) |
| 05:41.20 | Cairenn | iriel, so can I grats you on the forum? |
| 05:41.25 | Iriel | Not until I change color |
| 05:41.33 | Cairenn | or do you want to wait until it's all official and shit? |
| 05:41.34 | Cairenn | okay |
| 05:41.35 | Tem | when will you do that? |
| 05:41.44 | Tem | or rather, how does it work? |
| 05:41.50 | Iriel | I only sent in my "I'd like to do it" thing |
| 05:42.31 | Iriel | They emailed me to ask if I wanted to do it, but there's an agreement and stuff I had to fill in. |
| 05:42.38 | Tem | ah |
| 05:42.51 | Tem | what kind of stuff do they make you agree to? |
| 05:42.53 | AnduinLothar | i agree to slave off my ass for no pay |
| 05:43.11 | Iriel | Stuff like "Dont help Tem" |
| 05:43.17 | Tem | figures |
| 05:43.18 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:43.22 | Kirov | seems fair |
| 05:43.37 | AnduinLothar | anything i say and even some stuff i never said can and will be used against me in a court of law should i decide to make blizzard unhappy |
| 05:43.38 | Iriel | (Section 2, Clause 3, item iv, in case you wondered) |
| 05:43.45 | krka | O_o |
| 05:44.04 | Iriel | It basically boils down to "dont be a moron" |
| 05:44.05 | Tem | so, my theory of "someone inside blizzard hates me" goes higher than just the GM staff on Garona as I had thought... |
| 05:44.23 | AnduinLothar | there is no realm gm staff.. |
| 05:44.40 | Tem | (no kidding, there is a GM whose job is to follow me around and make bad shit happen to me) |
| 05:44.51 | Iriel | Indeed, there's a special "Anti Tem" department that's available to ALL realms |
| 05:44.58 | Tem | >< |
| 05:45.10 | Wobin_ | "You want that drop, Tem? I DON'T THINK SO! *click*" |
| 05:45.34 | Tem | Oh look, Tem won an epic offhand AND a Tome of Fireball off of Moam |
| 05:45.35 | Tem | hmm |
| 05:45.38 | Tem | *server crash* |
| 05:45.40 | AnduinLothar | if they're feeling esp mallicious they'll give it to you and make it dissapear while your sleeping |
| 05:45.44 | Iriel | I think many of the Tem Safeguards are implemented in code now |
| 05:45.52 | Kirov | More like there's a GM following Tem arround attempting to prevent him from crashing stuff |
| 05:45.58 | Tem | psh |
| 05:46.05 | Wobin_ | "Moving forward? That's a paddlin'!" |
| 05:46.13 | Tem | nothing can stop me |
| 05:46.23 | Tem | "zomg slouken nerfed crashing" |
| 05:46.25 | Kirov | *Tem disconnects* |
| 05:46.32 | Kirov | easy fix |
| 05:46.57 | Tem | 9 times out of 10 my crashes lately are bad video drivers |
| 05:47.06 | Tem | I crash before I can even attempt to connect |
| 05:47.48 | Tem | but seriously, the Moam thing really did happen |
| 05:47.58 | Tem | the GMs are giving me the red tape runaround |
| 05:48.02 | Iriel | Tem: ATI or nVidia? |
| 05:48.07 | Tem | ATI |
| 05:48.12 | AnduinLothar | figures |
| 05:48.14 | Tem | it's been more than a month and I still don't have my epix |
| 05:48.37 | Tem | yeah ATI drivers are definately lacking |
| 05:49.00 | Tem | aaaanyway, congrats Iriel. I too had been wondering why they didn't do this months ago. |
| 05:49.23 | krka | ati has even worse linux support than nvidia |
| 05:49.26 | Tem | ATI was the only choice when I built this machine |
| 05:49.28 | krka | and nvidias ain't all that good... |
| 05:49.29 | Kirov | I have a 9800pro sitting in my desk drawer |
| 05:50.07 | Tem | krka: the linux support (or lack thereof) of ATI is the biggest reason I'm still running windows |
| 05:50.31 | Iriel | I will say my Laptop has an ATI Fire GL card in and it works pretty well under linux |
| 05:51.19 | AnduinLothar | i have a 9800pro in my box |
| 05:51.58 | krka | was it hard to get working? |
| 05:52.06 | krka | and are you using ati drivers or OSS drivers? |
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| 05:53.23 | AnduinLothar | i assume you're speaking to iriel |
| 05:54.02 | Iriel | ATI drivers |
| 05:54.31 | krka | and question #2? :) |
| 05:54.34 | krka | err... 1 |
| 05:54.38 | Iriel | No, not hard at all |
| 05:55.04 | Iriel | I have noticed that the "higher end" cards (the FireGL ones, rather than the radeon ones) tend to have better linux support in general |
| 05:55.10 | krka | not sure how valid that is, coming from you :P |
| 05:55.19 | Iriel | not really sure why that is, less 'nifty non-standard features' |
| 05:55.27 | Iriel | that's my guess, anyway |
| 05:55.38 | AnduinLothar | ;) 'not hard' from iriel could mean anything |
| 05:56.44 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.07 | AnduinLothar | where'd u go to school iriel? |
| 05:57.22 | krka | school of ultimate 1337 pwnage! |
| 05:58.01 | Iriel | Assuming you mean for my degree, University of Warwick |
| 05:58.20 | AnduinLothar | BS? |
| 05:59.17 | Iriel | "BSc Hons." (In the UK it's BSc instead of BS, Hons. is honors) |
| 05:59.30 | AnduinLothar | what field? |
| 05:59.55 | Tem | Computer Science no doubt |
| 06:00.06 | Tem | or whatever they call it in the UK |
| 06:00.20 | Tem | funny brits renaming stuff... |
| 06:00.22 | krka | computer magic, i believe the uk term is |
| 06:00.26 | Iriel | Yup, I actually started out with Mathematics and Theory of Computation, but dropped the Math and went pure CS after the first year |
| 06:00.31 | AnduinLothar | title may vary. and my school now has like 5 or 6 comp sci degrees |
| 06:00.32 | krka | iriel is level 6 wizard |
| 06:00.42 | Tem | lol krka |
| 06:01.12 | AnduinLothar | why'd you want to do math? |
| 06:02.19 | Iriel | That was kind of my thing in high school, highschool computer science wasn't exactly brimming with challenge or depth |
| 06:02.47 | Iriel | I didn't really understand what a proper university level CS course would be like, and was worried it'd just be programming and the normal logic stuff |
| 06:03.03 | Iriel | As it happened Warwick had a very good ACADEMIC computer science course, and it turns out I hate degree level math |
| 06:03.41 | AnduinLothar | how's academic cs better that programming and logic stuff? |
| 06:03.58 | Iriel | Much of the "advice" i'd received before actually going to university implied most/all CS work was largely vocational. |
| 06:04.28 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 06:04.33 | Iriel | Well, it's the difference between learning the languages and stuff for themselves (vocational), and learning the theories and underpinning behind them |
| 06:04.40 | Iriel | and having the languages be almost secondary |
| 06:04.42 | AnduinLothar | so learning the theory rather than the languages |
| 06:04.52 | AnduinLothar | wwow |
| 06:04.55 | AnduinLothar | i type slow |
| 06:05.27 | Iriel | Yup, exactly that.. For example we learned C++ but only as a means to discuss OO programming and software engineering principles and practice |
| 06:05.31 | AnduinLothar | oh well, it's a good thing typing speed is not directly relted to coding speed |
| 06:05.35 | Iriel | There was never a formal "C++" course |
| 06:06.05 | Elviso | I had to take COBOL (lol) |
| 06:06.16 | Iriel | I was spared COBOL and have so far continued to avoid it! |
| 06:06.17 | AnduinLothar | ya, i still haven't bothered to learn C++ and it looks like i don't ave to this qtr cause my compilers was just changed to java |
| 06:06.40 | Iriel | I suspect the equivalent class is in java now |
| 06:06.54 | Elviso | My univ made it sound like COBOL was the glue of the world....then the curriculum switched to Java the next year |
| 06:07.02 | Iriel | I graduated in 1993 though, so java wasn't exactly around |
| 06:08.00 | AnduinLothar | i don't like java much, but at least it's a lang i know decently so i don't have to learn it to do the projects |
| 06:09.06 | Tem | I like java |
| 06:09.10 | Tem | so far |
| 06:09.31 | Elviso | I like PHP :) |
| 06:09.38 | Tem | I like that memory management is done with a garbage collector |
| 06:09.42 | AnduinLothar | php isn't too bad |
| 06:09.48 | Tem | fidling with new and delete was a pain |
| 06:10.05 | AnduinLothar | oh, i agree. i don't like worrying about memory |
| 06:10.11 | Tem | I like that it has an extremely extensive api |
| 06:10.12 | Iriel | I didn't like java much when i first encountered it |
| 06:10.20 | Iriel | btu that was back when it was hyped for applets |
| 06:10.30 | AnduinLothar | i do like it's docs.. |
| 06:10.46 | Iriel | Re-visiting it as a much more general purpose tool was when I started to like it |
| 06:10.53 | Tem | and I really like that it's platform indenpendent |
| 06:10.55 | Iriel | I like javadoc a lot, I like the jar/interface/classloader model |
| 06:11.11 | Tem | good lord iriel |
| 06:11.15 | Iriel | platform independence is awesome as a linux freak with windows clients |
| 06:11.18 | Tem | I can't find the plug you've got in my brain |
| 06:11.21 | Tem | where are you hiding it? |
| 06:11.40 | Iriel | I'm just running a Tem simulation in my own and reporting on the results |
| 06:11.48 | Iriel | I resynchronize it when you speak |
| 06:12.29 | Iriel | I suspect we just appreciate the same aspects of the same things because we have similarly wired minds with respect to languages/systems. |
| 06:13.26 | Tem | you just keep saying what I'm about to say tonight |
| 06:13.30 | Iriel | Going back to Java for a sec, I have a sort of love/hate relationship with "Java Application Servers", and a healthy contempt of EJB's |
| 06:13.49 | Tem | I haven't yet encountered either |
| 06:14.20 | Iriel | Hopefully by the time you do we'll be onto the 3rd generation EJB's and there will be less to get annoyed by |
| 06:14.48 | Tem | but my foray into java is really just begining |
| 06:14.49 | Iriel | They're essentially a handy abstraction that's completely crippled by concessions to the application server developers |
| 06:16.16 | AnduinLothar | sounds liek a blast |
| 06:16.35 | Iriel | Well, if you happen upon them when you're doing something simple |
| 06:16.43 | Iriel | like maybe just some database backed storage |
| 06:16.50 | Iriel | then you think "cool, these are neat, they make this easier" |
| 06:17.02 | Cairenn | night all |
| 06:17.06 | Tem | and then once you're using em... |
| 06:17.09 | Elviso | 'night |
| 06:17.09 | Tem | night Cair |
| 06:17.11 | Tem | sleep well |
| 06:18.01 | Iriel | Well, you start to think "hey, I could expose these filesystem objects as J2EE entities and then the application doesn't have to worry about how they're stored" |
| 06:18.14 | Iriel | And then you run into a wall of "things you're not allowed to do from EJBs" |
| 06:18.32 | Tem | haha |
| 06:18.42 | Iriel | There's a reason for each and every one of them |
| 06:18.57 | Tem | a good reason? |
| 06:19.08 | Iriel | varying between "because if you're not careful you'd screw it up" to "because this makes life easier for the application server authors" |
| 06:19.42 | Iriel | And many of them you could live without *IF* the EJB spec gave you systems that did the things you can't do yourself, but they dont, yet. |
| 06:19.55 | Tem | *yet* |
| 06:20.17 | Iriel | I'm told the new EJB spec recognises the value of 'POJO's (Plain Ol' Java Objects) |
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| 06:20.53 | Iriel | And IBM have some proposed solutions to a few of the other missing services |
| 06:21.26 | Iriel | For example there's no good encapsulation of a long-running task that can be monitored. |
| 06:21.40 | AnduinLothar | heh, ask a couple questions.. |
| 06:21.56 | Iriel | I'm just making good on your "Learn something new every day" goals 8-) |
| 06:22.02 | Elkano | good morning :) |
| 06:22.20 | AnduinLothar | i have... tho i still haven't fixed that unicode error |
| 06:22.32 | AnduinLothar | anyway, food now. more talk and code later |
| 06:23.17 | Iriel | The UTF-8 problem is easy to run into in java too, by the way |
| 06:23.27 | Iriel | in case you ever end up doing XML there |
| 06:23.30 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ktron (i=khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 06:23.30 | Iriel | a standard FileReader uses the platform's standard encoding |
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| 06:24.16 | Ktron | So that's what that button does |
| 06:24.51 | Ktron | if (nil) and if (false) are both the same, right? |
| 06:25.05 | Iriel | depends what "the same" means |
| 06:25.14 | Iriel | nil evaluates as false in a boolean context |
| 06:25.22 | Ktron | Iriel, that's true, I guess 'evaluated the same' |
| 06:25.26 | Ktron | okay, thanks Iriel |
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| 06:30.42 | Tem | Iriel: what's the easiest way to get around the UTF-8 issue? |
| 06:30.50 | Tem | can you set the mode on a FileReade? |
| 06:30.56 | Tem | FileReader* |
| 06:34.01 | Ktron | how much of a waste of memory would it be to convert a string into a list? |
| 06:36.03 | Tem | in wow? |
| 06:36.10 | Tem | er, in lua? |
| 06:36.13 | Ktron | yep |
| 06:36.24 | Tem | meaning a list of characters? |
| 06:36.28 | Ktron | yep |
| 06:36.36 | Iriel | Tem: Create a FileInputStream, then an InputStreamReader around it with an explicit encoding |
| 06:36.41 | Iriel | Quite a waste |
| 06:36.58 | Iriel | you're looking at something like a 16-fold increase in memory use at minimum |
| 06:37.23 | Tem | you could however, create a table that that preteneded it was a list of characters |
| 06:37.25 | [MoonWolf] | that is a big waste. |
| 06:37.45 | Iriel | Damnit, I forgot how to play eve and I have to fly to another system |
| 06:37.51 | Ktron | Tem, oh? |
| 06:37.57 | Tem | lemme write one up |
| 06:38.00 | Ktron | k |
| 06:38.01 | Tem | this seems fun |
| 06:38.29 | Ktron | I just feel like the problems I'm running into with a parser would be greatly simplified with that initial conversion |
| 06:39.15 | Ktron | gfind might be doable too, but that could be nasty |
| 06:39.17 | Iriel | Doesn't string.byte give you that effect |
| 06:40.16 | Ktron | What effect? |
| 06:40.54 | Ktron | I'm thinking a loop with string.sub would be necessary |
| 06:41.27 | Iriel | string.byte(str, index) |
| 06:42.06 | Tem | I think so Iriel |
| 06:42.11 | Tem | that was the method I was planning to use |
| 06:42.16 | Ktron | string.char(string.byte(str,index)) vs string.sub(str,index,index+1) |
| 06:42.32 | Ktron | unless I'm missing something |
| 06:42.39 | Iriel | Well, do you need to go to chars? |
| 06:42.53 | Ktron | Iriel, nope |
| 06:42.55 | Iriel | I'd think most parsing could be done in byte-land, and then string.sub to grab the parsed sequences |
| 06:43.22 | Ktron | I should be able to do all my comparing by just figuring out all the integer equivalents of the characters |
| 06:43.34 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
| 06:43.39 | Iriel | you can do those the easy way at startup |
| 06:43.47 | Iriel | local BYTE_EQUALS = string.byte('=') |
| 06:43.55 | Ktron | yeah, that makes sense |
| 06:44.38 | Ktron | Could I get a brief explanation of the difference between a table and a list? |
| 06:44.54 | Tem | in lua there really isn't any |
| 06:45.15 | Tem | Iriel: do you know how tables are implemented? |
| 06:45.15 | Ktron | So the way we're saving memory is by using integers instead of characters? |
| 06:45.40 | Ktron | g'night MentalPower |
| 06:46.03 | Tem | Iriel: are the integer indexes put somewhere else or do they use the same hash table as everything else? |
| 06:46.08 | Iriel | Tem: They go somewhere else |
| 06:46.16 | Iriel | Tem: the table's "memory" is split into 2 parts |
| 06:46.21 | Iriel | Tem: An array of lua values |
| 06:46.26 | Iriel | Tem: and then a hash table |
| 06:46.33 | Tem | aha |
| 06:46.42 | Iriel | It re-balances itself from time to time |
| 06:46.49 | Tem | so integer indexes are potentially faster? |
| 06:46.52 | Iriel | The aim being to use an array that's >= 50% full |
| 06:47.04 | Ktron | 're-balances'? |
| 06:47.07 | Iriel | Yes, a lot faster if you've got a packed array (no holes) |
| 06:47.28 | Iriel | Ktron: Suppose you have an array style table, but then you nil out a whole lot of the array entries and start adding hash values |
| 06:47.37 | Ktron | Iriel, ah, okay |
| 06:47.42 | Iriel | Ktron: It can redistribute the cells to be more hash-biassed |
| 06:48.04 | Iriel | Ktron: Likewise if you shift from a sparse 'array' to a dense 'array' it can flip back from hash to array |
| 06:49.42 | Wobin_ | Iriel: Fly to the nearest Jiumppoint =P |
| 06:50.07 | Iriel | Wobin_: I figured it out in the end, I needed to upgrade my clone! |
| 06:50.55 | Wobin_ | hehe =) |
| 06:51.03 | Wobin_ | It's been so long since I played Eve |
| 06:51.59 | Iriel | Likewise, but I can't bring myself to cancel |
| 06:52.07 | Iriel | Especially given the whole offline training thing 8-) |
| 06:55.38 | Ktron | Iriel, Tem, this loosely what you were suggesting? http://wow.pastebin.com/666645 |
| 06:56.05 | Ktron | I could use table.setn instead of table.insert if its faster |
| 06:56.32 | Tem | no, I was making a table that when you index it with an integer index it would do the calculation on the spot |
| 06:57.15 | Tem | and as soon as I remember how to write an iterator in lua... I'll pastebin it |
| 06:57.36 | Ktron | oh, so when I look up the ith value in the table, it'll calculate the ith character the string and return it, rather than calculating all of them ahead of time |
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| 06:57.59 | Ktron | hm... I think I've thought of another solution too, but we'll see... |
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| 06:58.59 | Tem | this may turn out to be completely impractical for what you are doing, but it's been fun... |
| 06:59.52 | Ktron | if I test = {} table.insert(test,1,"a") table.insert(test,10,"b") does lua fill in the middle with values, or will that be 'dense' |
| 07:07.40 | AnduinLothar | mmm food |
| 07:07.55 | Ktron | heh heh:) |
| 07:08.37 | Iriel | Ktron: It's sparse if you skip a bunch of values |
| 07:08.45 | Iriel | Ktron: 2-9 will be nil |
| 07:09.09 | Ktron | Iriel, alright, I wasn't sure if that would make the middle be nil, or it just wouldn't have 2-9 as keys |
| 07:09.13 | Ktron | hm |
| 07:09.20 | Iriel | There's no difference |
| 07:09.21 | Iriel | really |
| 07:09.34 | Iriel | (Internally there is, it's up to the table to decide how it wants to allocate itself) |
| 07:09.40 | Iriel | (but it's allowed to change its mind) |
| 07:09.57 | Ktron | Well, if i did a for in over the table, I wouldn't want it to try a bunch of nil keys |
| 07:10.09 | Ktron | *keys that had nil values |
| 07:10.25 | Iriel | you'll never get a key with a nil value out of an iterator |
| 07:10.34 | Iriel | pairs skips past them, ipairs stops when it reaches one |
| 07:11.15 | Ktron | hm |
| 07:11.26 | Ktron | so maybe I can use pairs and get the results I want |
| 07:11.42 | Iriel | pairs isn't ordered though |
| 07:12.03 | Iriel | you need ipairs and consecutive entries for a normal ordered iteration |
| 07:12.11 | Ktron | hm.. |
| 07:12.13 | Iriel | or write your own iterator function |
| 07:12.33 | Iriel | if all you want to do it a for loop over the string contents that should be relatively easy |
| 07:12.40 | [MoonWolf] | BEAR ATTACKS MAN, TREE STANDS AND WATCHES, FILM AT ELEVEN |
| 07:12.54 | Iriel | I'm not sure if tem's trying that or gave up? |
| 07:13.19 | Tem | it took me a while to find the way the generic for works again |
| 07:13.27 | Tem | I'm just about done |
| 07:13.44 | Tem | deciding on something... |
| 07:15.37 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/666657 |
| 07:15.53 | [MoonWolf] | tem, you forgot how a for loop works ? |
| 07:16.17 | Tem | [MoonWolf]: I forgot the specifics of how the generic for works in lua |
| 07:16.23 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 07:16.34 | Tem | [MoonWolf]: or rather, what I needed to pass to it from an iterator factory |
| 07:16.51 | [MoonWolf] | im not really a for fan myself |
| 07:16.55 | [MoonWolf] | I like while better. |
| 07:17.30 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/666661 |
| 07:17.34 | Iriel | This was my attempt |
| 07:18.08 | [MoonWolf] | talk about compact. |
| 07:19.14 | Iriel | Anyway, sleep time |
| 07:19.17 | Tem | mins is unecesarily complex |
| 07:19.19 | Iriel | Have fun everyone |
| 07:19.21 | Ktron | I'm fairly certain... that I don't understand how either of these work :P |
| 07:19.23 | Tem | mine* |
| 07:19.29 | Ktron | But... I'm working on it |
| 07:19.33 | Ktron | night Iriel |
| 07:19.44 | Tem | http://www.lua.org/pil/7.3.html |
| 07:22.13 | Ktron | I think I follow that |
| 07:23.09 | Ktron | yeah, I can understand where Iriel's code is coming from... now time to look at yorus |
| 07:23.12 | Tem | both of our iterators follow the same pattern as the lua version of ipairs |
| 07:24.01 | Ktron | (i or 0) must return 0 instead of nil when i is nil? |
| 07:24.07 | Tem | right |
| 07:25.34 | Ktron | So, I understand your iter function I think |
| 07:26.07 | Ktron | And I think characterList:iterator should work like ipairs over a list |
| 07:26.19 | Tem | right |
| 07:26.36 | Tem | example usage would be something like this: |
| 07:26.37 | Ktron | I'm not that comfortable with self |
| 07:26.53 | Tem | s = chatacterList:new("test string") |
| 07:27.03 | Ktron | alright |
| 07:27.14 | Tem | for i,c in s:iterator() do print(i,c) end |
| 07:27.36 | Tem | and it does nifty stuff like s[1] == "t" |
| 07:28.39 | Ktron | the 'self' in characterList:iterator is characterList, right? |
| 07:28.50 | Tem | it shouldn't ever be |
| 07:29.11 | Ktron | so I guess I'm not sure what that 'self' is |
| 07:29.34 | Tem | the only time 'self' should be equal to characterList in my code is inside the 'new' method |
| 07:29.38 | AnduinLothar | iriel: str(u'\u201a') --> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u201a' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) |
| 07:29.56 | Tem | AnduinLothar: Iriel went to bed |
| 07:30.02 | AnduinLothar | doh |
| 07:30.05 | hyperChipmunk | iriel's sleeping, man |
| 07:30.22 | AnduinLothar | i missed my last chance! |
| 07:30.31 | AnduinLothar | woe is me |
| 07:31.18 | Tem | Ktron: check out chapter 16 of PiL |
| 07:31.21 | Tem | http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 07:32.06 | Tem | I'm afraid if I tried to explain how self worked right now, it would get so mangled by my sleepyness that you wouldn't understand a bit of it |
| 07:32.25 | Ktron | I'm reading, and seeing if I can catch up to your code |
| 07:32.46 | AnduinLothar | self is an instance of the class object that you pass to the function |
| 07:34.05 | Ktron | AnduinLothar, *woosh*, but I think the chapter just helped me some... time to figure out what those crazy : are about though |
| 07:34.23 | Tem | read a bit further Ktron |
| 07:34.27 | Tem | it goes into that |
| 07:34.28 | Elviso | AnduinLothar: why doesn't the Cosmos installer read the WoW dir from the registry? was it giving false positives to AV progs or something? |
| 07:34.40 | Ktron | I am, I know, wasn't suggestion I lost it, thanks though |
| 07:34.51 | Ktron | s/suggestion/trying to suggest/ |
| 07:35.01 | AnduinLothar | cause there is no mac registry |
| 07:35.48 | Tem | surely there is something like it though? |
| 07:35.56 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 07:36.01 | Tem | some way to know where apps are installed? |
| 07:36.05 | Elviso | ahhh... :p |
| 07:36.07 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 07:36.20 | Tem | the kinda stinks |
| 07:36.22 | Elviso | can't search the HD ? |
| 07:36.26 | AnduinLothar | you can |
| 07:36.29 | Tem | s/the/kinda/ |
| 07:36.30 | Ktron | Alright, so that's what the mystic : does:) |
| 07:36.37 | Tem | s/kinda/that/ |
| 07:36.41 | AnduinLothar | it's tradition to eather scan or ask the user |
| 07:36.50 | Tem | s/the/that/ |
| 07:36.57 | Tem | yay >< |
| 07:37.03 | Ktron | ~cheer Tem |
| 07:37.04 | purl | ACTION cheers Tem on |
| 07:37.18 | AnduinLothar | or make a config file that says |
| 07:37.26 | AnduinLothar | if you know you're gonna need it later |
| 07:38.36 | AnduinLothar | of course, if it's a unix app it follows those rules and is installed somewhere it has path access |
| 07:38.44 | Ktron | setmetatable, is that more or less 'set key table'? |
| 07:39.44 | AnduinLothar | besides, searching is a lot more friendly on mac, so it doesn't take an hour like on pc's |
| 07:39.58 | Tem | locate ftw, eh? |
| 07:40.14 | Tem | Ktron: chapter 13 is the crash course in metatables |
| 07:40.27 | Tem | metatables are your friend |
| 07:41.10 | Ktron | heh, no wonder I don't know any of this... chapters above 6 aren't on the table of content s I was looking at |
| 07:41.25 | Tem | haha |
| 07:41.43 | Ktron | Oh, I was looking at hte manual, not the book |
| 07:41.43 | AnduinLothar | it goes with my whole memory scheme in life: don't bother remembering what you can find or figure out quickly. |
| 07:42.52 | Ktron | In the spirit of this, AnduinLothar doesn't remember the names of anyone he talks to on IRC |
| 07:42.58 | Elviso | AnduinLothar: I was just thinking the Win client could use the registry, and Mac client use a search like %\World of Warcraft\% to set the install path |
| 07:42.59 | AnduinLothar | basicly |
| 07:43.07 | Elviso | lol @ Ktron |
| 07:43.29 | AnduinLothar | it could, but that require more work on the programmer's part |
| 07:43.39 | Ktron | I have way too many chapters of lua to read |
| 07:43.55 | Elviso | would "I can't remember a single phone # since I got my cell phone" qualify as a corollary to "don't bother remembering what you can find or figure out quickly"? |
| 07:44.01 | AnduinLothar | beside, you should know where wow is installed if you're doing anything with addons anyway |
| 07:44.20 | AnduinLothar | i know about 4 phone numbers |
| 07:44.32 | AnduinLothar | the rest are written or stored somewhere |
| 07:44.40 | Elviso | lets see....911, mine own (sometimes)....my parents....ummm guess I just know 3 |
| 07:44.47 | AnduinLothar | but even those 4 i never use cause they're on speeddial |
| 07:45.40 | Elviso | ok AnduinLothar, a serious question now: |
| 07:45.49 | Elviso | on http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_AddOns |
| 07:46.06 | krka|work | tem, why do you want a string iterator |
| 07:46.08 | Elviso | theres AllInOneInventory and AllInOneInventoryKhaos |
| 07:46.24 | Tem | krka|work: I don't |
| 07:46.25 | Elviso | but Cosmos only installed "AllInOneInventory"....delete the "AllInOneInventoryKhaos"? |
| 07:46.36 | Tem | krka|work: Ktron does |
| 07:46.42 | krka|work | ah |
| 07:46.47 | krka|work | cool code anyway :) |
| 07:46.55 | AnduinLothar | AllInOneInventoryKhaos was combined into AllInOneInventory |
| 07:46.59 | Tem | I enjoyed writing it |
| 07:47.06 | Elviso | I see its a sim link |
| 07:47.07 | Ktron | That's actually all I'm hear for |
| 07:47.24 | Ktron | to come up with ridiculous but useless challenges that no one can use but are fun to code |
| 07:47.29 | AnduinLothar | saef likes making all his addons multiple addons for modularity, but we try to discourage it unless it's a library |
| 07:47.36 | Tem | :) |
| 07:47.41 | AnduinLothar | sarf* |
| 07:48.24 | AnduinLothar | so yes, if you have self cleaning on it will delete AllInOneInventoryKhaos |
| 07:48.25 | Elviso | So would you say its safe to delete the "AllInOneInventoryKhaos" entry for CosmosAddons, since it's out-of-context? |
| 07:48.33 | AnduinLothar | sure |
| 07:48.53 | Elviso | (I was starting to clean up that page like I said I might a few days ago :p) |
| 07:49.48 | Ktron | alright, 4th pass at Tem's code |
| 07:50.56 | Ktron | so, certain things are keywords if they're part of a metatable |
| 07:50.59 | Ktron | such as __add |
| 07:51.21 | Ktron | and in this case, __index |
| 07:51.39 | Tem | metatables adjust how a table behaves |
| 07:51.55 | Tem | any table can be any table's metatable |
| 07:52.02 | Tem | (including itself) |
| 07:52.37 | Ktron | and if you had a table T with a metatable M, the method (i think this one is a real method) M:__add would define how to handle T + T |
| 07:53.13 | Ktron | because T+T is actually __add(T,T) or something like that? |
| 07:53.18 | Tem | yes |
| 07:53.45 | Ktron | So now I should look up __index in the manual... |
| 07:53.51 | Tem | no |
| 07:54.00 | Tem | skip ahead like 2 sections in the book |
| 07:54.34 | Tem | when certain situations happen to a table (like trying to use it as an operand in a + operation), the system checks for an appropriate metamethod on that table's metatable |
| 07:55.43 | Tem | when you index a table and it would return nil (ie rawget(t,k) == nil), if the table has a metatable with an __index metamethod, it gets called |
| 07:56.33 | Ktron | ah ha, I'm starting to see your cleverness |
| 07:56.38 | Ktron | 5th pass |
| 07:57.25 | Ktron | So, characterList is its own metatable |
| 07:58.06 | Tem | characterList acts as the metatable for instances of the "class" |
| 07:58.30 | Ktron | And characterList:__index is called when you try to look up a key with a nil value in the characterList-- which, should be generally any time you try to look up any integer key (place in the string) |
| 07:58.52 | Tem | aye |
| 07:59.14 | Ktron | characterList.string holds the string itself |
| 07:59.31 | Tem | *nod* |
| 07:59.37 | Tem | well |
| 07:59.38 | Ktron | And I'm assuming you still need to call setString and getString to set/get it |
| 07:59.38 | Tem | no |
| 07:59.46 | Ktron | hm? |
| 08:00.11 | Tem | what I think you may be missing is the difference between the class and an instance of it |
| 08:00.36 | Tem | characterList.string should never really have any value in it |
| 08:00.40 | Ktron | Tem, now, I got it, I think I'm just not being very clear about the distinction |
| 08:00.52 | Tem | k, just making sure |
| 08:00.59 | Ktron | no, an instance A of characterList should have a string in A.string |
| 08:01.05 | Ktron | that better? |
| 08:01.12 | Tem | yeah |
| 08:01.21 | Tem | you don't /have/ to use the get/set methods |
| 08:01.30 | Ktron | yeah, they are just there for convience |
| 08:01.35 | Tem | you could just directly access A.string |
| 08:01.40 | Ktron | I'm assuming A.string = blah would work too |
| 08:01.48 | Tem | right |
| 08:01.56 | Ktron | and len is clear enough |
| 08:02.16 | Ktron | alright, so your code is no longer as mystical as I previously thought |
| 08:02.30 | Tem | magic code is a bad thin |
| 08:02.31 | Tem | g |
| 08:04.21 | Ktron | Now, if I was going to lookup every character in the list at least once, and some of them at least twice, this seems like it would use more cpu, but I'm assuming it would still cut down on memory |
| 08:05.25 | Ktron | Very slick, I feel like I learned something and it was worth staying up at least until 4am for that:) |
| 08:05.30 | Tem | it would cut down on memory |
| 08:05.39 | Tem | but it would take more time |
| 08:05.48 | Tem | it's a trade-off |
| 08:05.58 | Ktron | yeah, it often is |
| 08:06.07 | Tem | you /could/ change it to remember the result at each index |
| 08:06.24 | Ktron | but then it'd be the same as looking up every value in the first place |
| 08:06.43 | Tem | not if you don't always look up everything |
| 08:07.07 | Ktron | Well, for the purpose I was thinking about, I definitely would, but you're right, if I didn't it would say some |
| 08:07.11 | Tem | it's completely dependent on how you plan to use it |
| 08:07.57 | Ktron | Tem, I think you officially join Tain in being the man! |
| 08:08.06 | Tem | hehe |
| 08:08.18 | Ktron | purl, who is the man |
| 08:08.20 | purl | Ktron: what are you talking about? |
| 08:08.28 | Tem | purl: who is the man? |
| 08:08.31 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Tem |
| 08:08.37 | Ktron | purl, Tain and Tem are the man |
| 08:08.39 | purl | okay, Ktron |
| 08:08.39 | Tem | ~the man |
| 08:08.48 | Ktron | purl, the man? |
| 08:09.03 | Ktron | oops |
| 08:09.12 | Ktron | purl, the man is Tain and Tem |
| 08:09.13 | purl | ...but man is already something else... |
| 08:09.21 | Ktron | purl, main? |
| 08:09.25 | Ktron | purl, man? |
| 08:09.26 | purl | somebody said man was Displays the manual page for that given command or resource (that is, any system utility that isn't a command, such as a library function. Syntax: man (command). Where command is the name of the command or resource to get help on. Example: man ls gives help on the ls command. |
| 08:09.42 | Ktron | pff |
| 08:09.43 | krka|work | i have a big list of "the man"s of people in here |
| 08:09.54 | Ktron | purl, the_man is Tain and Tem |
| 08:09.55 | purl | okay, Ktron |
| 08:09.55 | Tem | purl, no, the man is <reply> Tem and Tain are the man. |
| 08:09.56 | purl | Tem: okay |
| 08:10.04 | Tem | purl, the man? |
| 08:10.31 | Tem | database lag ftl |
| 08:10.35 | Ktron | ~the man |
| 08:10.40 | Ktron | ~botsnack |
| 08:10.40 | purl | :), Ktron |
| 08:10.44 | Ktron | its not lag |
| 08:10.48 | Tem | krka|wok qft |
| 08:10.49 | Elkano | purl, lag? |
| 08:10.51 | purl | well, lag is very bad here :( |
| 08:10.56 | Tem | ~the man |
| 08:11.05 | Ktron | I think its trained to ignore 'the' |
| 08:11.11 | Tem | possibly |
| 08:11.17 | Tem | purl forget the man |
| 08:11.17 | purl | Tem: i didn't have anything called 'the man' to forget |
| 08:11.18 | sedatedChipmunk | I added a few commands to the whale arsenal today |
| 08:11.25 | Ktron | purl, thee man is <reply> Tem and Tain are the man! |
| 08:11.26 | purl | Ktron: okay |
| 08:11.30 | Ktron | ~thee man |
| 08:11.31 | purl | Tem and Tain are the man! |
| 08:11.55 | Tem | ~whalehug sedatedChipmunk |
| 08:11.56 | purl | ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug sedatedChipmunk |
| 08:12.05 | sedatedChipmunk | ~whaleparry Tem |
| 08:12.06 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Tem's attacks. |
| 08:12.20 | sedatedChipmunk | ~hugwhale |
| 08:12.22 | purl | ACTION watches in horror as sedatedchipmunk attempts to hug a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh. |
| 08:12.25 | Ktron | I used to tell purl good night all the time |
| 08:12.28 | Ktron | purl, night |
| 08:12.29 | purl | G'night ktron, get out of here. |
| 08:12.44 | Ktron | ~Tem |
| 08:12.45 | purl | I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 08:12.47 | Elviso | ~beer |
| 08:12.48 | purl | No beer and no TV make purl... something something... |
| 08:12.52 | Ktron | ~Ktron |
| 08:12.54 | purl | you are, like, dangerous. He doesn't really know what he is doing. Stop him. |
| 08:13.04 | Elviso | ~elviso |
| 08:13.11 | Elkano | ~Elkano |
| 08:13.13 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 08:13.15 | purl | I could have helped you, but I won't. |
| 08:13.16 | sedatedChipmunk | ~me |
| 08:13.19 | Elviso | ah i need to program myself in |
| 08:13.25 | sedatedChipmunk | oh right |
| 08:13.29 | sedatedChipmunk | ~hyperChipmunk |
| 08:13.30 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, hyperchipmunk is *chitterchitterchitterchitterchitterchitterchitterchitter* |
| 08:13.33 | Tem | god I love the saien quotes |
| 08:13.46 | Ktron | yeah, that one is pretty spectactular |
| 08:13.57 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 08:13.58 | purl | You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself. |
| 08:14.17 | Tem | :) |
| 08:14.49 | id` | ~emulate Tem |
| 08:14.51 | purl | Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]! |
| 08:14.59 | id` | :P |
| 08:15.06 | id` | ~emulate Tekkub |
| 08:15.07 | purl | Do you have any butter? |
| 08:15.10 | Tem | that's rowne's fault |
| 08:15.16 | id` | argh i should have known |
| 08:15.22 | Tem | I think he's the one who set it |
| 08:15.29 | Tem | ~literalinfo emulate tem |
| 08:15.30 | id` | ~emulate Rowne |
| 08:15.32 | purl | I'm simply aboggle |
| 08:15.37 | id` | lol :P |
| 08:15.44 | sedatedChipmunk | hehe |
| 08:15.44 | Tem | ~emulate rowne |
| 08:15.45 | purl | Abuuuh? |
| 08:15.55 | id` | rowne was a bit weird tbh :| |
| 08:15.59 | Tem | I totally forgot about those |
| 08:16.06 | Tem | rowne was hi-godamn-larious |
| 08:16.16 | id` | :P |
| 08:16.25 | Elkano | I should have come here starting a year ago or so :( |
| 08:16.41 | Tem | ~literalinfo emulate tem |
| 08:17.05 | Tem | damnit that function must be gone or something |
| 08:17.15 | sedatedChipmunk | isn't it just ~literal? |
| 08:17.19 | sedatedChipmunk | ~literal emulate tem |
| 08:17.21 | purl | "emulate tem" is "<reply> Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]!" |
| 08:17.21 | Tem | oh, nevermind |
| 08:17.21 | id` | purl: literal emulate Tem |
| 08:17.22 | purl | "emulate tem" is "<reply> Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]!" |
| 08:17.24 | id` | :P |
| 08:17.31 | Tem | ~factinfo emulate rowne |
| 08:17.31 | purl | emulate rowne -- last modified at Mon Oct 17 05:44:12 2005 by Tem!n=Matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net; it has been requested 6 times, last by Tem, 1m 46s ago. |
| 08:17.36 | id` | hah |
| 08:17.37 | id` | owned |
| 08:17.41 | id` | it was YOU |
| 08:17.44 | Tem | I knew it |
| 08:17.48 | Ktron | That was an interesting error |
| 08:18.02 | Tem | I knew I had done the rowne emulate |
| 08:18.12 | Tem | ~factinfo emulate tem |
| 08:18.12 | purl | emulate tem -- last modified at Wed Nov 16 21:02:15 2005 by Guillotine!n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57; it has been requested 19 times, last by id`, 3m 21s ago. |
| 08:18.32 | Tem | ~factinfo emulate saien |
| 08:18.32 | purl | emulate saien -- last modified at Wed Jan 11 17:36:24 2006 by Tain!i=Shrubber@c-66-31-196-19.hsd1.ma.comcast.net; it has been requested 57 times, last by Tem, 4m 34s ago. |
| 08:18.37 | id` | ~factinfo emulate Industrial |
| 08:18.37 | purl | emulate industrial -- last modified at Thu Dec 22 09:35:51 2005 by id`!n=tom@gateway.is.remotion.nl; it has been requested 14 times, last by id`, 11h 4m 16s ago. |
| 08:18.58 | id` | ~emulate Industrial |
| 08:18.59 | purl | I suck at LUA and rip othe people's code. |
| 08:19.03 | id` | hah |
| 08:19.06 | Ktron | ~factinfo emulate Cairenn |
| 08:19.06 | purl | emulate cairenn -- last modified at Thu Feb 9 05:53:04 2006 by Esamynn!n=jbcc@d207-216-176-153.bchsia.telus.net; it has been requested 15 times, last by hyperChipmunk at Sat Apr 1 22:34:19 2006. |
| 08:19.09 | Ktron | ~factinfo emulate Cairenn|sleep |
| 08:19.10 | purl | Ktron: there's no such factoid as emulate cairenn|sleep |
| 08:19.10 | id` | :P |
| 08:19.21 | Ktron | ~emulate Cairenn|sleep |
| 08:19.23 | Ktron | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 08:19.25 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 08:19.25 | Tem | ~emulate cair |
| 08:19.26 | purl | ACTION begins casting New awesome Site Feature on WoWInterface |
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| 08:19.55 | krka|work | ~emulate krka |
| 08:19.56 | purl | ACTION has no idea how to use krka... |
| 08:19.56 | Tem | cair was always "cair" until she created this channel |
| 08:20.04 | Tem | then she started using Cairenn all the time |
| 08:22.15 | Ktron | Alright, my guess is that I just did something really really stupid here.... oh wait, I think I got it already |
| 08:22.29 | Ktron | night Tain |
| 08:22.31 | sedatedChipmunk | night guys; nice meetin' y'all today |
| 08:22.35 | Ktron | s/Tain/Tem |
| 08:22.37 | Ktron | s/Tain/Tem/ |
| 08:22.56 | Tem|Sleep | I'm glad they fixed that one |
| 08:23.26 | Tem|Sleep | anyway... off with me |
| 08:23.31 | Ktron | heh, if only they had an 'account for stupidity and leaving off the final slash' fix |
| 08:23.41 | Ktron | g'night |
| 08:24.50 | Ktron | in lua regex, [ ] ' " \ ( ) { } all need to be escaped, right? |
| 08:25.03 | sedatedChipmunk | svn co http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/$PROJECT |
| 08:25.06 | sedatedChipmunk | mis |
| 08:25.10 | sedatedChipmunk | svn co http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/$PROJECT |
| 08:25.12 | sedatedChipmunk | gr |
| 08:25.19 | AnduinLothar | lolz |
| 08:25.28 | Ktron | as would + * ^ I think... any others people can think of? |
| 08:26.10 | sedatedChipmunk | shush, that's why I'm sleeping |
| 08:26.27 | krka|work | % needs to be escaped |
| 08:26.29 | krka|work | and - |
| 08:26.31 | krka|work | and ? |
| 08:26.47 | krka|work | not sure ' and " needs to be |
| 08:27.00 | Ktron | krka|work, think you're right |
| 08:27.15 | krka|work | well, " needs to be \escaped inside a "-string |
| 08:27.15 | Ktron | hm, this is giving me grief |
| 08:27.18 | krka|work | ' inside a '-string |
| 08:27.42 | Ktron | "\(" should match somewhere in "with (some) test" right? |
| 08:28.06 | krka|work | not backslash for escaping |
| 08:28.07 | krka|work | use ¤ |
| 08:28.07 | krka|work | % |
| 08:28.19 | krka|work | inside a pattern, that is |
| 08:28.33 | AnduinLothar | anyone got any idea how i would decode url encoding? |
| 08:28.34 | Ktron | oh, that's right % for escaping in patterns... and % doesn't need to be escaped in strings thankfully |
| 08:28.40 | Ktron | in lua? |
| 08:28.52 | AnduinLothar | in python particularly, but lua might help |
| 08:28.59 | krka|work | you mean stuff like %20 for space? |
| 08:29.02 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 08:29.10 | Ktron | hm... I know there's built in functions in php |
| 08:29.23 | AnduinLothar | is there an encoding name for that? |
| 08:29.42 | krka|work | replace %xy with the character xy in hex |
| 08:29.47 | zenzelezz | isn't that URL encoding? |
| 08:30.08 | AnduinLothar | yes, but is there a name so i don't have to write my own decoder |
| 08:30.11 | Ktron | yeah, I think its URL encoding or Raw URL encoding I might see if you can find the source for the functions rawurlencode() and rawurldecode() |
| 08:30.45 | Ktron | and maybe python has similarly named functions kicking around somewhere |
| 08:31.45 | zenzelezz | how peculiar... seven Foror's in the AH, ranging from 490-830g... back on Arthas they were about 2000 |
| 08:35.10 | krka|work | when there's 7 of them, the price goes down, perhaps? |
| 08:35.19 | zenzelezz | I would think so |
| 08:35.29 | zenzelezz | someone's shouting "sploit" on /2 though |
| 08:35.43 | Ktron | hm... time to think about the best way to make a 'next' function for a sparse table |
| 08:36.17 | Ktron | zenzelezz, there used to be an exploit anyway, I thought 1.10 fixed it |
| 08:36.25 | Ktron | maybe someone stocked up and flodded the AH? |
| 08:36.44 | Ktron | or people stocked up |
| 08:36.57 | zenzelezz | hm... now he posted a link to a video.google.com video in-game |
| 08:37.02 | krka|work | next function for a sparse table? |
| 08:37.23 | Ktron | zenzelezz, if its to one of a hunter soloing gordok by teleporting around |
| 08:37.25 | krka|work | question: why is it sparse? |
| 08:37.48 | zenzelezz | Ktron: think it is, haven't watched it but they did talk about hunters |
| 08:37.50 | Ktron | zenzelezz, then it's been around before and I think I saw it pre-1.10, which means it probably was addressed |
| 08:38.28 | AnduinLothar | go figure... urllib.url2pathname |
| 08:38.29 | Ktron | I'm pretty certain the todo with accounts and the lack of mentioning the fix in the patch notes was to catch a lot of crackers with their pants down and their teleport hacks up |
| 08:38.44 | Ktron | AnduinLothar, heh:) |
| 08:39.48 | zenzelezz | hm, four 46-47 hunters in DM at the moment :o |
| 08:40.27 | krka|work | heh |
| 08:40.34 | krka|work | hunters are imba! |
| 08:42.22 | Codayus | Yeah, DM exploiting is still going strong. |
| 08:42.34 | Ktron | Codayus, oh? |
| 08:42.44 | Codayus | Major mana pots, Forors, DM trinket books...all are dirt cheap. |
| 08:42.55 | AnduinLothar | euro doesn't have 1.10.1 yet |
| 08:43.07 | Ktron | It should take a little for it to work out of the excess too |
| 08:43.14 | Codayus | And there's always hunters in there. :-/ |
| 08:44.56 | Ktron | Does this look like a function that should return the next lowest key with a non-nil val in a sparse table after i? |
| 08:45.00 | Ktron | http://wow.pastebin.com/666736 |
| 08:45.50 | krka|work | yes... but inefficently |
| 08:46.05 | krka|work | why is it sparse in the first place? |
| 08:46.28 | krka|work | what is the table used for? |
| 08:48.05 | Ktron | in contains position,character pairs of characters that are important (for formatting) in a string |
| 08:48.37 | Ktron | so, given the string "ab\"cd" it will contain 3,"\\" |
| 08:48.48 | Ktron | er, 3,"\"" |
| 08:49.51 | Ktron | I could use 2 dense tables or a bigger dense table, so it would contain an entry 1,3,"\"" instead I suppose |
| 08:50.04 | Ktron | Well, no |
| 08:50.29 | Ktron | Because I'd like them to be ordered from smallest to lowest, and I won't necessarily find the characters in that order |
| 08:50.39 | krka|work | not sure i understand, but the best solution is probably to rethink the data structure |
| 08:51.06 | Elviso | AnduinLothar |
| 08:51.42 | Ktron | krka|work, perhaps, I'll sleep on it I guess, but I kind of figured that this code isn't going to be run all that often, at most once per every keypress |
| 08:51.53 | krka|work | at most? that's a lot :P |
| 08:52.03 | Ktron | actually I lied |
| 08:52.08 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 08:52.35 | Elviso | Are IEF's /cmds not documented anywhere? :\ |
| 08:52.52 | Ktron | once per keypress the function will fire which will need to call advance n+1 times where n is the number of special characters in the textblock |
| 08:53.01 | Ktron | at most |
| 08:54.09 | AnduinLothar | Slash command help: /ief |
| 08:54.09 | Ktron | Actually, if I use tab as a hotkey to 'beautifulificate' the text krka, advance will run once for every 'special character' |
| 08:54.19 | AnduinLothar | they'r eonly documented in game |
| 08:54.27 | Ktron | which I suppose could be a bunch |
| 08:54.43 | Ktron | but it should still generally be closer to 100 than 1000 |
| 08:54.54 | Ktron | and definitely closer to 1000 then 10000 |
| 08:55.08 | Ktron | ah well, I'll go think |
| 08:55.10 | Ktron | night everyone |
| 08:55.23 | zenzelezz | night |
| 08:56.29 | zenzelezz | that was quick |
| 08:56.48 | Ktron | daylight savings time |
| 08:56.52 | Ktron | it makes the night go quick |
| 08:56.59 | Ktron | oops, there goes the day too |
| 09:00.02 | Elviso | hrmm, I need a way to redirect output to a frame I can copy/paste |
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| 09:02.28 | AnduinLothar | mmm wonder if this is a bad thing... |
| 09:03.17 | AnduinLothar | i just auto-generated a 112k line lua file of my mp3 music library info and made symlinks into an addon folder to play songs in wow.. |
| 09:07.36 | Corrodias | symlinks? |
| 09:07.55 | Corrodias | i... don't remember how wow processes music |
| 09:08.17 | wereHamster | Anduin, can your script parse only iTunes files? |
| 09:08.36 | Corrodias | my hunger is trying to keep me awake, but i must go to bed! stop enticing me with your conversations! |
| 09:12.13 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, rhythmbox also stores the songs in a XML file.. in this format: http://wow.pastebin.com/666771 |
| 09:12.25 | wereHamster | would it be hard to rewrite your parser? |
| 09:12.43 | AnduinLothar | not too hard |
| 09:13.08 | AnduinLothar | i'd need the whole file of a playlist xml export |
| 09:14.47 | wereHamster | http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/rhythmdb.xml |
| 09:15.03 | AnduinLothar | wonder how long it'll take wow to parse my 112k lua file |
| 09:15.26 | AnduinLothar | 3.2mb |
| 09:16.07 | AnduinLothar | sweet, it works |
| 09:16.44 | AnduinLothar | course you poor bastards on windows have to actually copy you files... mine just make symlinks |
| 09:16.54 | wereHamster | err.. that's the whole song database.. playlists are here: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/playlists.xml |
| 09:17.07 | AnduinLothar | couldn't figure out the crappy shortcut cration process |
| 09:17.37 | wereHamster | .. or I just start iTunes under wine :) |
| 09:18.05 | AnduinLothar | right.. well win some lose some |
| 09:18.21 | AnduinLothar | if i could figure out shortcuts i'd use that |
| 09:19.42 | Elviso | um, how do I unpload a screenshot to wowwiki |
| 09:21.27 | krka|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Upload |
| 09:23.53 | Elviso | thx |
| 09:24.03 | Elviso | krka = awesome for helping me out |
| 09:24.14 | Elviso | you get a gold star on your report card :P |
| 09:25.15 | AnduinLothar | the parser wwouldn't need a rewrite, just the file processing |
| 09:26.57 | id` | AnduinLothar: http://shell-shocked.org/article.php?id=284 |
| 09:28.22 | id` | I never used it but it exists... |
| 09:28.25 | AnduinLothar | why in the owrld woudl you rename them.. |
| 09:31.41 | id` | i-have-no-idea |
| 09:31.43 | id` | :P |
| 09:32.04 | id` | o btw idChat 11000-2 is out \o/ |
| 09:36.14 | AnduinLothar | looks liek windows symlinks suck ass |
| 09:36.42 | wereHamster | I've heard that winxp has symlinks, at least very similar to unix |
| 09:37.44 | AnduinLothar | fsutil on xp |
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| 09:42.59 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 09:43.18 | wereHamster | morning.. |
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| 09:50.19 | Elviso | AnduinLothar: http://www.wowwiki.com/ImprovedErrorFrame |
| 09:50.29 | Elviso | (even has a changelog!) |
| 09:50.36 | Elviso | 1 down, ~80 to go |
| 09:51.45 | AnduinLothar | :D thx! |
| 09:52.00 | id` | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/IdChat |
| 09:52.01 | id` | :P |
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| 09:53.41 | AnduinLothar | doh.. forgot to escape my quotes |
| 09:54.43 | Elviso | ugh, I wish ui.worldofwar.net's web devs would fix their layout |
| 09:55.53 | Elviso | id`: you still need to add some more features before I'm going to give up Chatbox :p |
| 09:56.01 | Elviso | but it looks nice |
| 09:56.59 | id` | Elviso: like? |
| 09:59.31 | Elviso | sticky channels, enchant spam nuker, removes [Guild]:/[Whisper]:/etc tags, hide gossip text @ NPC's... |
| 09:59.54 | Elviso | does ALOT, which might be out of the scope of what you wish for |
| 10:00.22 | Elviso | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1819 |
| 10:00.35 | id` | Hm, nop, i want that |
| 10:00.40 | id` | ill make a list |
| 10:00.40 | id` | :p |
| 10:00.44 | Elviso | heheh |
| 10:01.29 | Elviso | the enchant nuker is awesome |
| 10:01.57 | Elviso | it turns "WTS ENCHANTS +3/+5/+7 DMG FIERY UNHOLY CRUSADER LIFESTEALING +4 STATS +20 SHADOW +30 HEALING +30 SPELLDMG +55 HEALING +15/+25 AGI PST" |
| 10:02.02 | Elviso | into [Enchants] |
| 10:02.21 | Elviso | when you click [Enchants] it pops-up that info |
| 10:02.24 | id` | yeh |
| 10:02.45 | id` | im not doing the gossip text, that sohuld be a different addon |
| 10:03.08 | Elviso | yeah it doesn't really fit w/the theme of it |
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| 10:18.39 | AnduinLothar | there we go. forgot linebreaks too |
| 10:18.50 | AnduinLothar | had to add multiline strings |
| 10:28.18 | wereHamster | what exactly does GetPartyLeaderIndex() return? |
| 10:28.41 | AnduinLothar | prolly the party# index |
| 10:28.48 | AnduinLothar | for the leader icon |
| 10:28.51 | wereHamster | what if the player itself is the leader? |
| 10:29.23 | AnduinLothar | party1 i believe |
| 10:29.28 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 10:29.31 | AnduinLothar | maybe |
| 10:29.51 | wereHamster | .. party members are player and party1..4 |
| 10:30.29 | AnduinLothar | 5 |
| 10:30.39 | AnduinLothar | i dunno.. |
| 10:30.41 | wereHamster | are you sure? |
| 10:30.42 | AnduinLothar | 0 |
| 10:30.47 | AnduinLothar | no, i'm makign up stuff |
| 10:30.51 | Maldivia | AnduinLothar: for player as leader, theres IsPartyLeader() and IsRaidLeader() |
| 10:31.34 | wereHamster | .. IsPartyleader() was added recently, right? |
| 10:31.45 | Maldivia | always been there |
| 10:32.29 | Maldivia | or well, don't know about always, but I think I've been using it since 1.5 or 1.6 |
| 10:33.08 | wereHamster | I just need to get the raid/party leader name.. |
| 10:34.23 | Maldivia | if IsPartyLeader() then return UnitName("player") else return UnitName("party"..GetPartyLeaderInder()) end |
| 10:35.15 | zenzelezz | Index? |
| 10:35.22 | Maldivia | yeah ok, Index, not Inder :9 |
| 10:35.32 | Maldivia | unless ofcourse you're in a raid, in which case you have to enumerate all raid members with GetRaidRosterInfo |
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| 10:38.34 | Maldivia | for i = 1, GetNumRaidMembers() do local name, rank = GetRaidRosterInfo(i) if rank == 2 then return name end end |
| 10:39.12 | wereHamster | I have that for raids |
| 10:39.38 | Maldivia | Ok |
| 10:45.33 | wereHamster | and GetPartyLeaderIndex() returns 0 when the player is the leader |
| 10:45.42 | wereHamster | but UnitName("player0") is empty |
| 10:48.41 | s|loup | UnitName("player") |
| 10:48.46 | s|loup | without the 0 |
| 10:49.10 | s|loup | you can also use IsPartyLeader() to check if you are party leader |
| 10:49.11 | wereHamster | I mean .. UnitName("party0") |
| 10:49.20 | wereHamster | UnitName("party"..GetPartyLeaderInder()) won't work |
| 10:49.25 | s|loup | there will be no "party0" |
| 10:49.33 | wereHamster | if the player itself is the leader |
| 10:49.41 | s|loup | there are only UnitIds for party1 to party4 |
| 10:50.14 | s|loup | party0 is not a valid UnitId |
| 10:50.57 | s|loup | [12:48:45] <wereHamster> UnitName("party"..GetPartyLeaderInder()) won't work <-- there you must check before if you are partyleader just use IsPartyLeader() |
| 10:51.33 | wereHamster | if (partyLeaderIndex == 0) then return UnitName("player") elseif (partyLeaderIndex) then return UnitName("party"..partyLeaderIndex) end |
| 10:51.35 | s|loup | if not IsPartyLeader() then UnitName("party"..GetPartyLeaderInder()) else UnitName("player"); end |
| 10:51.43 | Maldivia | hehe... |
| 10:51.59 | Maldivia | I misspelled Index as Inder... and now everyone copy-paste it ? |
| 10:52.12 | s|loup | if you on raid there can be also the problem that the party leader is not in your group |
| 10:52.26 | wereHamster | Maldivia, middle-mouse copy&paste ftw |
| 10:52.43 | Maldivia | wereHamster: but I already showed the code with a IsPartyLeader(9 check :) |
| 10:52.56 | AnduinLothar | parsing a 5mb file takes forever.. |
| 10:53.19 | Maldivia | AnduinLothar: that depends on what you're parsing |
| 10:53.24 | Maldivia | and shouldn't really take that long |
| 10:54.26 | krka|work | and how you're parsing it |
| 10:54.52 | AnduinLothar | ok.. parsing the file, converting it into a python dictionary-like class structure, removing old files, creating a symlink for each file and auto-generating a lua file with the track info.... takes foreve |
| 10:55.13 | krka|work | check which step is taking long and optimize it |
| 10:55.51 | AnduinLothar | prolly cause i have to check each string with replace("\"", "\\\"").replace("\n", "\\n") |
| 10:56.32 | AnduinLothar | and refactor each file path with regex |
| 10:56.50 | AnduinLothar | spose i could time it |
| 10:58.48 | krka|work | regex should be pretty fast |
| 11:00.55 | AnduinLothar | heh Track4213.mp3 |
| 11:02.01 | s|loup | @wereHamster: this should be best for all possibilities if IsPartyLeader() then UnitID = "player" elseif GetPartyLeaderIndex() ~= 0 then UnitID = "party"..GetPartyLeaderIndex() else for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers() do local _,r = GetRaidRosterInfo(i) if r == 2 then UnitID = "raid"..i; break; end end end |
| 11:02.07 | AnduinLothar | it makes 4213 symlinks |
| 11:02.17 | AnduinLothar | spose i could just link the whole hd.. |
| 11:06.45 | AnduinLothar | grr, something's throwing off the index.. |
| 11:37.46 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, code typo, sweet |
| 12:03.10 | Wobble | hehe |
| 12:03.16 | Wobble | three new 16slots for me |
| 12:03.29 | Wobble | one from a Baron crate, the other two with cheap final bids =P |
| 12:05.42 | Wobin_ | btw, if you're in a raid, you have a raidID as well as player |
| 12:09.22 | s|loup | yes |
| 12:09.31 | s|loup | your party members also |
| 12:12.56 | Wobin_ | which I found out today... |
| 12:13.09 | s|loup | oO |
| 12:13.11 | s|loup | ^^ |
| 12:13.31 | Maldivia | which also means, you're getting all events twice for your party members |
| 12:13.39 | Maldivia | once for party# and once for raid# |
| 12:16.49 | krka|work | YAR to not perform stuff on events :P |
| 12:17.25 | Wobin_ | s|loup: I ran my stub of MASH in it's first raid today =P Now I just have to debug the bastard to bits |
| 12:19.53 | zenzelezz | MASH? Some healer add-on? |
| 12:20.30 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 12:20.40 | Wobin_ | my rewrite of Needylist |
| 12:21.00 | zenzelezz | certainly a funnier name :) |
| 12:21.38 | Wobin_ | This is Ace =) We specialise in weird names =) |
| 12:22.28 | Maldivia | hmm.. have you reached version 4077 yet ? |
| 12:22.28 | zenzelezz | you'll have to pardon my relative ignorance; until very recently the only add-ons I used were Atlas and Auctioneer =) |
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| 12:25.34 | s|loup | does anyone know the texture of the bomb debuff by vaelestrasz? |
| 12:25.46 | Maldivia | yes |
| 12:26.37 | Maldivia | Interface/Icons/INV_Gauntlets_03 |
| 12:26.37 | s|loup | can you give me the texturename pls? :) |
| 12:26.37 | s|loup | thx |
| 12:32.24 | Miravlix | So changing a while true do local spell, spellRank = GetSpellName id = spellRank to I = table.getn, id = table[i] lookup |
| 12:32.45 | Miravlix | Changed the number of GetSpellName functions calls from over 6K to 118 + 102 |
| 12:33.03 | Wobin_ | 230? |
| 12:33.28 | Miravlix | Yeah, haven't fully converted the addon, so it still has 102 GetSpellName calls onload |
| 12:33.31 | krka|work | is GetSpellName that slow? |
| 12:33.37 | krka|work | is it worth caching? |
| 12:34.01 | Miravlix | We are talking 6K+ calls vs 230 |
| 12:34.20 | Miravlix | Thats going to be quite a few ms |
| 12:35.18 | Miravlix | This is a GetHighestRank function |
| 12:35.36 | Miravlix | There is no way of doing that without caching and inteligently storing the data |
| 12:36.00 | krka|work | are you sure or just guessing? |
| 12:36.44 | krka|work | about it being quite a few ms |
| 12:37.15 | s|loup | 118+102 is 220 ;) |
| 12:37.54 | Wobin_ | oops =) |
| 12:37.58 | Wobin_ | It's ... late. yes |
| 12:38.57 | Miravlix | 6K calls is 130 ms |
| 12:39.52 | Miravlix | and thats doing it nutty: debugprofilestart() for i=0, 6000 do GetSpellName(10, "spell") |
| 12:40.04 | Miravlix | No variable assignment to slow it down |
| 12:40.23 | krka|work | crap, lua allows scientific notation |
| 12:40.40 | Miravlix | Hmm, I'm going to try that loop without GetSpellName in there |
| 12:40.51 | Miravlix | I've never timed l(oops) |
| 12:41.07 | Maldivia | krka: hehe |
| 12:41.20 | krka|work | variable assignment doesn't slow that down |
| 12:41.33 | Miravlix | Well a 6K for loop that does nothing |
| 12:41.44 | Miravlix | is 0.199151etc |
| 12:41.57 | Miravlix | So it's GetSpellName that gives us the 130ms |
| 12:42.03 | krka|work | for i=0,6000 do local a,b,c=GetSpellName(10, "spell") has the same bytecode |
| 12:42.09 | krka|work | as with removing "local a,b,c" |
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| 12:43.08 | Miravlix | With variables |
| 12:43.12 | Miravlix | The same call is 144ms |
| 12:43.20 | Miravlix | so 14ms for variable assignment |
| 12:44.12 | Miravlix | Dunno why you people has this twisted sense of everything being a free lunch |
| 12:44.33 | Miravlix | It's always expensive, some things is just *insanely* expensive |
| 12:45.37 | Maldivia | <Miravlix> is 0.199151 <-- 0.19 ms ? |
| 12:45.57 | krka|work | here's an example for you |
| 12:46.07 | krka|work | no way that just assigning variables increases time |
| 12:46.24 | Maldivia | krka: it does :) |
| 12:46.47 | Maldivia | krka: or well, depends on how the data is handled otherwise |
| 12:46.48 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/667003 |
| 12:46.58 | krka|work | that's two functions a and b |
| 12:46.59 | Miravlix | 0.1991512ms |
| 12:47.04 | krka|work | they compile to the exact same bytecode |
| 12:47.39 | krka|work | oops, scratch that |
| 12:47.44 | Miravlix | Be silly if you want krka |
| 12:47.49 | krka|work | missed a parameter to call |
| 12:47.54 | Miravlix | I've done real codeing for 20 years, everything cost |
| 12:48.08 | Maldivia | krka: not the exact same code |
| 12:48.11 | Miravlix | And scripting languages is insanely more expensive than C |
| 12:48.23 | krka|work | yeah, the CALL opcode differs, just noticed that too |
| 12:48.57 | Maldivia | krka: the call opcode is different, because it has to put the retun values on the stack |
| 12:49.20 | krka|work | yeah, i noticed that |
| 12:49.27 | Miravlix | But I admit my code isn't run on a clean UI, GetSpellName could be hooked by 93284792374 addons |
| 12:49.44 | wereHamster | that's a lot O.o |
| 12:49.45 | Miravlix | but thats precisely the point in the end, I want real world times |
| 12:49.53 | krka|work | just grep for GetSpellName and see if any addon does that |
| 12:50.01 | Miravlix | Not 1 addon, with nothing else running |
| 12:50.15 | Maldivia | local a = os.clock() for i = 1, 600000 do end print(os.clock() - a) ... takes 0.015 sec on average on this machine, so that's 0.15ms for 6000 :) |
| 12:51.22 | Miravlix | I wonder if lua is faster than WoW.exe |
| 12:51.38 | Maldivia | it is |
| 12:51.40 | Miravlix | For one thing it doesn't have to update a GUI |
| 12:51.52 | krka|work | technically, lua in wow doesn't do that |
| 12:51.58 | krka|work | C code does that |
| 12:52.04 | Miravlix | WoW.exe |
| 12:52.10 | Miravlix | I didn't say lua |
| 12:52.12 | Maldivia | well, theoretically, they should be the same speed |
| 12:52.22 | krka|work | they probably are |
| 12:52.29 | Maldivia | but having wow running causes an extra preasure on the system |
| 12:52.53 | krka|work | well, of course |
| 12:53.21 | Maldivia | hmm, os.clock is annoying |
| 12:55.05 | Miravlix | Bottom line is every line of code that isn't optimized away has a cost, it might be 0.15ms or better/worse but there is always a cost |
| 12:55.19 | Miravlix | Does lua optimize? |
| 12:55.40 | krka|work | not much |
| 12:55.54 | krka|work | the default compiler is extremely primitive |
| 12:56.05 | Maldivia | simple test: do end: 0.1703 | do f() end: 1.3577 | do local a,b,c = f() end: 1.4249 |
| 12:56.32 | Maldivia | averaged over 100,000,000 runs |
| 12:56.41 | Maldivia | using os.clock |
| 12:57.37 | Miravlix | same f? |
| 12:57.43 | Miravlix | function f() end? |
| 12:57.52 | Maldivia | function f() return 1, 2, 3 end |
| 12:59.02 | Miravlix | My combined UI does an estimated millions of function calls pr. second |
| 12:59.57 | wereHamster | lua or C function? |
| 13:00.19 | Miravlix | But my first optimization is offcourse tooltip scanning, Sea spellbook removes the need for anyone else doing that. |
| 13:00.42 | Miravlix | But in the end why not optimze 6000 GetSpellName calls away? |
| 13:01.10 | krka|work | can i look at sea spellbook somewhere? |
| 13:01.30 | Miravlix | Still being developed, so haven't released it yet. |
| 13:02.39 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/667029 |
| 13:02.47 | Miravlix | This is the current version, thats nowhere near done |
| 13:04.11 | Miravlix | The tooltip scanner is in, but taking a bit of work parsing spell tooltips |
| 13:04.22 | krka|work | hmm |
| 13:04.30 | krka|work | don't rescan on events |
| 13:04.34 | Miravlix | And what about localization |
| 13:05.15 | Miravlix | I now Korean is 2 Rank instead of Rank 2 |
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| 13:08.09 | Maldivia | why do tooltip scanning for ranks ? |
| 13:08.43 | Miravlix | GetSpellName isn't localized |
| 13:09.01 | Maldivia | ehh, it's not... ok |
| 13:09.03 | Miravlix | It returns German, English, Korean |
| 13:09.49 | Maldivia | you mean it is localized, right? |
| 13:10.20 | Miravlix | Was wondering about that myself |
| 13:10.34 | Maldivia | heh |
| 13:10.46 | Miravlix | It doesn't have a local stable return value |
| 13:11.01 | Miravlix | Baah |
| 13:11.19 | Miravlix | It has localization specific return values! |
| 13:12.24 | Miravlix | s/localization/locale/ |
| 13:15.08 | Maldivia | as in, will return "Flash Heal" on english clients, and "Soins rapides" on French? |
| 13:15.44 | Maldivia | ... and "Blitzheilung" on German clients |
| 13:16.50 | Maldivia | ... and " 快速治疗" in Chinese ? |
| 13:16.56 | krka|work | the problem is basically extracting rank, i presume |
| 13:17.14 | Maldivia | I don't see the problem |
| 13:17.26 | krka|work | me neither, i dont get ranks from scanning texts : |
| 13:17.30 | Maldivia | _,_,rank = string.find(spellRank, "(%d+)") |
| 13:17.31 | krka|work | krkaUtils ftw! |
| 13:17.43 | Maldivia | if you want the numerical rank |
| 13:17.49 | krka|work | nah, don't even need that |
| 13:18.15 | krka|work | if id N is spell A and id N - 1 is not A, then N has rank 1 |
| 13:18.41 | wereHamster | local str2num["enUS"] = function(str) return string.find(str, "Rank %d") end ? |
| 13:18.49 | krka|work | if id N is spell A and id N + 1 is A, then N + 1 has rank 1 + rank of N |
| 13:19.01 | wereHamster | and then use it str2num[GetLocale()](str) |
| 13:20.23 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 13:20.49 | krka|work | seems like overkill for ranks, wereHamster |
| 13:20.50 | Miravlix | But it's a lot to ask of our non programming adept localizers |
| 13:21.04 | krka|work | can just iterate through the spellbook and check for identical spell names |
| 13:21.16 | wereHamster | whatever :) |
| 13:21.21 | Miravlix | And generate 6K function calls |
| 13:21.31 | Miravlix | at a estimated 130ms cost |
| 13:22.47 | krka|work | but is performed extremely rarely |
| 13:22.50 | Miravlix | and thats one addon that does full spellbook iterations on a level 46 druid |
| 13:22.52 | krka|work | 6K function calls though? |
| 13:22.56 | krka|work | that seems like overkill |
| 13:22.59 | krka|work | who has 6000 spells? |
| 13:23.07 | Maldivia | noone |
| 13:23.07 | Miravlix | It's 118 spells pr rank |
| 13:23.16 | Miravlix | check |
| 13:23.25 | Miravlix | so 6000 / 118 is just a few spells |
| 13:23.32 | Miravlix | Druids has all there stuff ranked |
| 13:23.33 | krka|work | 118 spells per rank???? |
| 13:23.41 | krka|work | wtf |
| 13:23.47 | Maldivia | how are you generating that many checks ? |
| 13:23.58 | krka|work | are you saying there exists druids with 6000 items in the spellbook? |
| 13:24.06 | Miravlix | ... |
| 13:24.36 | Miravlix | GetSpellRank( spell ) generates 118 GetSpellName calls |
| 13:25.10 | krka|work | can't find GetSpellRank in the api |
| 13:25.10 | Miravlix | Since the addon that does this has more than one spell it needs to check, it calls GetSpellRank mutiple times |
| 13:25.30 | krka|work | i am not talking about that addon... |
| 13:25.40 | Miravlix | There is no function calls in Sea spellbook |
| 13:25.40 | wereHamster | What doww GetSpellRank() do? |
| 13:25.48 | krka|work | <krka|work> can just iterate through the spellbook and check for identical spell names <Miravlix> And generate 6K function calls |
| 13:25.57 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 13:26.01 | krka|work | i wasn't talking about that addon then |
| 13:26.12 | Miravlix | If your addon just iterate through the spellbook |
| 13:26.21 | Maldivia | Well, it's common sense, that if iterates multiple times over the same data, you cache the result |
| 13:26.23 | Miravlix | Then it generates 118 GetSpellNames per iteration |
| 13:26.34 | krka|work | how do you figure? |
| 13:26.37 | Miravlix | No, there is no need to cache you just said |
| 13:26.55 | krka|work | i dont even HAVE a GetSpellName |
| 13:26.58 | Miravlix | Sea spellbook caches it, because I don't agree with this |
| 13:27.59 | Maldivia | krka: 118 is probably the number of spells the test character has :9 |
| 13:28.12 | Miravlix | Bingo give mal a cookie |
| 13:28.38 | wereHamster | Miravlix: so 6000 / 118 is just a few spells .. this didn't sound like 118 was the spell count |
| 13:29.00 | Miravlix | 6000 has been the number of GetSpellName calls for hours now |
| 13:29.40 | Miravlix | And thats just a simple addon that looks for highest rank |
| 13:30.01 | krka|work | and i am saying i wasn't talking about that addon |
| 13:31.07 | wereHamster | so uhm.. why don't you cache the spellbook? a simple table with keys as spellnames and values as IDs of the highest spells would do the trick |
| 13:31.26 | Miravlix | Sea spellbook is a cache of the spellbook |
| 13:31.44 | Miravlix | You sure your talking to me here were? |
| 13:31.56 | wereHamster | and sea didn' |
| 13:32.01 | Maldivia | finding highest rank of any given spell, is worst case (never going to happen), a full spell book search |
| 13:32.03 | wereHamster | t have a spellbook cache until now? |
| 13:32.09 | krka|work | and i already have developed a spellbook cache :) |
| 13:32.29 | wereHamster | sea didn't have a spellbook cache until now? |
| 13:32.44 | Miravlix | Sea has nothing that works on spells |
| 13:34.20 | Miravlix | Sea is a general purpose library, with varius functions collections so far to avoid duplicate code. |
| 13:34.55 | Miravlix | Sea.IO, Seatable, Sea.wow.questLog, Sea.lang, Sea.wow.tooltip, Sea.data.item, Sea.util... |
| 13:35.11 | Miravlix | I'm adding Sea.wow.spellbook to the collection. |
| 13:36.13 | Miravlix | and when I'm done with that I will add Sea.wow.inventory Sea.wow.buff Sea.wow.debuff to clean up all the things that a lot of addons like to do and few does well. |
| 13:36.51 | krka|work | i do it well :) |
| 13:37.06 | Miravlix | No |
| 13:37.13 | Miravlix | Because your doing it solo |
| 13:37.24 | Miravlix | That means 50 others is doing it solo too |
| 13:37.34 | krka|work | doesn't mean my code isn't good |
| 13:37.47 | Miravlix | 51 spellbook, inventory, buff, debuff scanners is BAD BAD BAD |
| 13:37.49 | Maldivia | Just because it's a shared library, doesn't mean it's better |
| 13:38.47 | Miravlix | Not always, but reducing 51 addons to the minimum needed calls is good |
| 13:39.08 | Miravlix | Sometimes a library will create more cost, not less |
| 13:39.34 | Miravlix | Most of peoples sub functions just add more cost to the addon, but in the name of maintainability we do it anyway |
| 13:40.14 | Miravlix | So even while the speed improvment isn't as insane as with these 4 core areas of most addons, there is a nice benefit. |
| 13:40.56 | Miravlix | And that is I don't have to change 170 addons every time a new patch comes out. :p |
| 13:41.16 | krka|work | i won't use a library if that library is bad |
| 13:41.20 | krka|work | thus, i write my own |
| 13:41.46 | Miravlix | And automatically make a bad design decission, since going solo is bad |
| 13:43.02 | Miravlix | No matter how good a coder you are, the UI doesn't deal with everyone doing there own thing. |
| 13:43.46 | Maldivia | Ohh, then how have the UI community survived for so long without ? |
| 13:44.16 | Miravlix | Because it takes time for it to mature? |
| 13:44.31 | Miravlix | I'm still a high end user with 170 addons |
| 13:44.36 | Miravlix | Most people have 5-10 addons |
| 13:44.47 | Miravlix | Where your basically still solo |
| 13:44.59 | zenzelezz | 170? o_O |
| 13:45.03 | Miravlix | But the community and our abilities grows day by day |
| 13:45.29 | Maldivia | exactly... and why use a bloated shared library, which your 5 addons might use 5% of ? |
| 13:45.35 | Miravlix | Slowly people start to run more and more addons and the solo mentality of programmers becomes more and more of an issue |
| 13:46.19 | Miravlix | Because you don't loss speed using it |
| 13:46.30 | Miravlix | But you do loss speed not using it in some situations |
| 13:47.34 | wereHamster | Miravlix: nobody is forced to use Sea... |
| 13:48.13 | Miravlix | It's a free world, where you can make your own bad choices. |
| 13:48.22 | Miravlix | But the logic is quite clear |
| 13:48.41 | Miravlix | A library will create a benefit in some situations and it wont slow your addon down solo |
| 13:49.15 | zenzelezz | so you want people to use the library even if they don't benefit from it? |
| 13:49.26 | Miravlix | The supposed memory usage is pointless, because someone just running your addon with a few embeded libraries wont matter |
| 13:49.51 | Miravlix | On the other hand the memory reduction in a complex addon environment is significant gain |
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| 13:50.59 | krka|work | will the sea thingies be embedded? |
| 13:51.01 | Miravlix | zenzelezz, As a coder you will always have some users that will benefit from it more than others. |
| 13:51.20 | Miravlix | Sea spellbook and the rest of Sea is getting embeded as fast as I can do it |
| 13:51.34 | Miravlix | Sea Spellbook as posted is embedable |
| 13:52.18 | zenzelezz | Miravlix: of course - what I'm getting at is that if something doesn't actually improve their add-ons, I don't expect them to want to use it just because it doesn't make them worse |
| 13:52.20 | Miravlix | But it doesn't have to be Sea |
| 13:52.29 | Miravlix | My point is libraries is good for you |
| 13:52.43 | Miravlix | Use Ace if you like that better, though they wont embed as far as I know |
| 13:53.18 | krka|work | but my library is bad if i do it solo? |
| 13:53.21 | Miravlix | zenzelezz, Why isn't it an improvment that the overall UI performance is improved? |
| 13:54.02 | Miravlix | krka: You make MapLibrary? I use that. |
| 13:54.03 | zenzelezz | Miravlix: your arguments still sound to me like they assume you're running multiple add-ons that somehow share some elements |
| 13:54.08 | Miravlix | Libraries is good |
| 13:54.13 | Miravlix | It's not simply Sea |
| 13:55.31 | Miravlix | zenzelezz, AddonX scans the spellbook so it uses Sea spellbook library. Now when AddonX get combined with Y, Z and X the system get a performance improvment because they all use Sea spellbook |
| 13:56.08 | Miravlix | Now running AddonX with spellbook embeded does not give a performance gain, but there is no loss either |
| 13:56.33 | Miravlix | So why not do it? It's all benefit no downside |
| 13:57.43 | Miravlix | Joining the Cosmos Team to effect and code Sea is not that complicated, so everyone can still have programming influence on Sea |
| 13:58.18 | zenzelezz | my opinion might be based on the fact that I use a total of two add-ons |
| 13:58.22 | Miravlix | So what are you giving up joining a Library group? |
| 13:59.24 | Miravlix | Make sourceforge pages or whatever for your libraries and let people join |
| 13:59.53 | zenzelezz | please do, I'm not saying libraries are bad. I just find it interesting to say that not using one is a bad choice |
| 14:00.09 | Miravlix | It's in the big picture |
| 14:00.22 | Miravlix | Since if your addon doesn't use the library my system runs like hell |
| 14:00.26 | Wobin_ | Not using one is bad in that it's not taking advantage of code reuse |
| 14:00.38 | wereHamster | does anyone know a good actionbar replacement? gypsy 1.0beta shows only one bar :( .. I only need two simple actionbars, no bags etc |
| 14:01.01 | Miravlix | Why not use the build in 5 bars? |
| 14:01.17 | wereHamster | I don't want it to use the whole screen width |
| 14:01.26 | Wobin_ | I'd suggest Visor, but you said simple =) |
| 14:01.29 | Miravlix | Hmm? |
| 14:01.37 | Josh_Borke | lol, visor for simple, rofl |
| 14:01.45 | wereHamster | link? |
| 14:01.54 | Josh_Borke | you could use DAB |
| 14:01.55 | Wobin_ | um. it's on wowi I'm sure |
| 14:01.56 | zenzelezz | I won't go on arguing, I'm not good at it :p But I like to keep things to a minimum, add-ons included |
| 14:02.06 | Miravlix | ActionBars by blizzard isn't using the full screen |
| 14:02.27 | Wobin_ | zenzelezz: but there will be no impact on your addons if you use the library |
| 14:02.40 | Miravlix | With addons like BarOptions and MobileFrame you get full configuration over the placement too. |
| 14:02.43 | wereHamster | how so? and can I disable the bag and system buttons? |
| 14:03.02 | Wobin_ | You can with Visor |
| 14:03.02 | Josh_Borke | visor: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4576 |
| 14:03.03 | Miravlix | Oh |
| 14:03.08 | Miravlix | You aren't talking actionbar |
| 14:03.14 | Miravlix | but mainbar |
| 14:03.14 | Wobin_ | move/hide/show anything |
| 14:03.43 | Miravlix | never mind me then, if you want to replace the mainbar, not sure who does that well |
| 14:03.57 | Miravlix | Cosmos just have support for removing parts of it and moving it around |
| 14:04.05 | zenzelezz | Wobin_: if I wanted to write a small add-on of some sort and didn't see a library making writing it easier, I wouldn't bother using one, even if the library didn't make it worse. But yes, I'm not a *good* coder, and I'm sure you're all right |
| 14:04.42 | Wobin_ | zenzelezz: If your addon didn't use anything the library offered, then of course, don't use it. |
| 14:04.45 | Miravlix | zenzelezz, So the fact you mess me over by not using libraries doesn't matter? |
| 14:05.08 | zenzelezz | Miravlix: if you didn't like my add-on not using it, then simply don't use my add-on... rather simple |
| 14:05.13 | Miravlix | Why is us heavy addon users lesser people |
| 14:05.19 | zenzelezz | you're not forced to use it any more than I am forced to use a library |
| 14:05.19 | krka|work | being solo has the advantage of not having to get involved with politics to get changes through |
| 14:05.21 | Wobin_ | zenzelezz: But if your code replicates something the library can offer (and if the library is not overbloated...) then it makes more sense to use what could be common code |
| 14:06.17 | Miravlix | Why do you refuse to code your addon in a way so I can benefit from it? |
| 14:06.34 | krka|work | why do we have to cater to certain people? |
| 14:06.38 | krka|work | the source is free, fix it yourself |
| 14:06.53 | zenzelezz | you could benefit from it, but I shouldn't have to presume you use a million other add-ons |
| 14:07.10 | zenzelezz | now, I hear what you're saying, but it seems like I'm unable to get my point through. Just kindly forget I started arguing :) |
| 14:07.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge haste (n=haste@host-81-191-131-80.bluecom.no) |
| 14:07.37 | wereHamster | 'and if the library is not overbloated' ... right.. like sea if I want to use only the spellbook cache and nothing else from this library. |
| 14:07.39 | Miravlix | TitanPanel is 20 addons, Cosmos is 70 addons. Ace is a billion addons, FuBar is a billion addons |
| 14:08.14 | Miravlix | were: If you want to only use Sea spellbook, all you do is copy seaspellbook.lua into your addon directory and include it in the toc |
| 14:08.29 | wereHamster | ah.. |
| 14:08.30 | Miravlix | you don't have to worry about 30 other addons doing the same or that Sea exist on the system |
| 14:09.01 | Miravlix | The code is embedable and fully handles only keeping one copy of itself in memory |
| 14:09.17 | Wobin_ | At the moment, all FuBar addons can and do take advantage of the Compost table management library embedded in the base file |
| 14:10.27 | Wobin_ | And you can change the library to do what you want really. If the embedding code is robust enough, it could either merge the changes, or keep a separate copy alive for your code. |
| 14:11.01 | Miravlix | Sea spellbook is using a stable API approch, so the embeding code is simpler |
| 14:12.04 | Miravlix | The multiversion embeder system is nice, but... I've used C libraries for 20 years with little change |
| 14:12.19 | Miravlix | I think it's possible to have stable API's |
| 14:12.26 | Wobin_ | probably because the utility of those libraries have been hashed out over a long time |
| 14:12.37 | Wobin_ | and so API changes have already been considered |
| 14:12.59 | Cairenn | hi guys |
| 14:12.59 | Wobin_ | But depending on how much WoW changes, a stable API may not be easy =) |
| 14:13.03 | Wobin_ | Hey Cair |
| 14:13.08 | Josh_Borke | morning Cairenn |
| 14:13.09 | Miravlix | C was well designed before implementation |
| 14:13.30 | Miravlix | And I'm more a designer than coder. |
| 14:13.32 | zenzelezz | greeting Cairenn |
| 14:13.32 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: Could you possibly move ArmchairAlchemist to the Ace inventory category when you get the time? |
| 14:13.37 | Miravlix | Hey Cairenn |
| 14:14.14 | Cairenn | Wobin_: send me a pm on the site with a link please? remind me which cat to move it to in the pm. That way I don't mess up |
| 14:14.16 | Wobin_ | Miravlix: I really doubt anyone can say Wow would be well designed before implementation =) |
| 14:14.17 | id` | Miravlix: "Ace is a billion addons" |
| 14:14.19 | id` | its only 1 |
| 14:14.27 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: Sure! |
| 14:14.37 | id` | its not a collection of things unlike cosmos or nurfed or whatever |
| 14:14.40 | Miravlix | And Fubar is only one addon |
| 14:14.52 | id` | yes |
| 14:15.01 | Miravlix | But thats because all the addons that use them isn't packed up in one big file |
| 14:15.08 | s|loup | hi cairenn |
| 14:15.10 | Miravlix | They are a billion addons, just without a central bundle |
| 14:15.13 | Wobin_ | Embeddable Ace coming soon =P |
| 14:15.17 | Cairenn | hey hey s|loup :) |
| 14:15.19 | wereHamster | morning Cairenn |
| 14:15.27 | Cairenn | so, how is everyone today? |
| 14:15.38 | id` | Miravlix: no you are thinking wrong. If i were to use fubar with one addon it would mean i'd be using 2 addons |
| 14:15.46 | zenzelezz | I think I threw fuel on the fire |
| 14:15.58 | id` | zenzelezz: ;) |
| 14:15.58 | Cairenn | I'm sensing lots of angst ... |
| 14:16.02 | Miravlix | id: just go away, I've spend hours on this already |
| 14:16.04 | id` | just adding my .2c |
| 14:16.18 | Miravlix | I'm not going to argue about something this idiotic now. |
| 14:16.40 | Cairenn | Miravlix: excuse me, that was an unacceptable statement |
| 14:16.55 | Cairenn | Miravlix: you have NO right to tell someone to "go away" in this channel |
| 14:17.08 | wereHamster | cairenn has ;) |
| 14:17.14 | Cairenn | Miravlix: if you persist, I will ask that *you* "go away" |
| 14:17.15 | id` | All im saying is that if you use cosmos you use 70 addons, if you use ace you use a number of addons, but you choose every one of them separately, and they are in no way tied to eachother (exceptions ofcource that built on one another) |
| 14:17.21 | Miravlix | I don't mean it as leaving the channel or something like that |
| 14:17.31 | Cairenn | Miravlix: I don't care HOW you meant it |
| 14:17.34 | Miravlix | Just a leave me alone |
| 14:17.56 | Cairenn | Miravlix: the key rule of this channel is that you treat each other with respect |
| 14:18.04 | Cairenn | Miravlix: if you can't do that, then you don't belong her |
| 14:18.06 | Cairenn | here* |
| 14:18.41 | Miravlix | Well, my response was worded that way because I felt disrespected by id. |
| 14:18.42 | Cairenn | now, I have had absolutely enough of you continually getting this channel in an upraor, you will either start conducting yourself appropriately, or you will leave |
| 14:18.45 | Cairenn | is that clear? |
| 14:19.50 | id` | krka|work, need a huggle? |
| 14:19.56 | krka|work | nah |
| 14:20.00 | id` | ;P |
| 14:20.45 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.01 | s|loup | thanks for renaming cairenn ;) |
| 14:21.30 | Cairenn | s|loup: lol, is that you? you are most welcome sweetie |
| 14:21.42 | Miravlix | I'll gladly stop fighting my own battles, if I can complain to you instead and expect to see things being handled that way. |
| 14:21.46 | s|loup | hehe *red* |
| 14:22.49 | krka|work | sowwy cair |
| 14:27.20 | id` | So anyway, all of Sea is embedded now? |
| 14:27.39 | id` | so i can just include one little bit of Sea in my addon |
| 14:27.42 | Maldivia | so... is 1.10.2 today? |
| 14:27.46 | id` | and not use any other parts of Sea? |
| 14:27.49 | krka | ~emulate miravlix |
| 14:27.51 | purl | rumour has it, emulate miravlix is I'm not going to argue about something this idiotic now. |
| 14:28.04 | Cairenn | Wobin_: done |
| 14:28.07 | krka | damn it, must have done something wrong :P |
| 14:28.08 | Wobin_ | Woot =) |
| 14:28.12 | Cairenn | ... |
| 14:28.23 | Maldivia | krka, <reply> or something :) |
| 14:28.31 | Cairenn | purl, forget emulate miravlix |
| 14:28.31 | purl | i forgot emulate miravlix, Cairenn |
| 14:28.50 | krka | ~emulate miravlix |
| 14:28.51 | purl | I'm not going to argue about something this idiotic now. |
| 14:29.01 | Cairenn | purl, forget emulate miravlix |
| 14:29.01 | purl | Cairenn: i forgot emulate miravlix |
| 14:29.14 | krka | ok, i get the hint :) |
| 14:29.18 | Cairenn | good |
| 14:29.26 | krka | i'm just a bit slow |
| 14:29.32 | Cairenn | s'okay |
| 14:29.32 | id` | kek |
| 14:29.47 | id` | in austria i found a pack of cookies |
| 14:29.53 | id` | 'choco mit keks' |
| 14:29.56 | id` | >_o |
| 14:30.12 | krka | chocolate cookies probably! |
| 14:30.20 | id` | yes! |
| 14:30.22 | Wobin_ | funny ones, no doubt |
| 14:30.25 | Wobin_ | bur |
| 14:30.40 | id` | so thats what i yell in game now |
| 14:30.47 | Cairenn | Maldivia: just tried logging in and nothing downloaded, so ... |
| 14:30.50 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.31 | id` | :P |
| 14:31.35 | krka | ... |
| 14:32.02 | id` | thats what ski teachers yell when you do something right... |
| 14:32.07 | id` | toll! supah! |
| 14:32.12 | Josh_Borke | SUPAH! |
| 14:32.19 | krka | i don't think they yell Choco mit keks |
| 14:32.28 | id` | no :< |
| 14:33.37 | Wobin_ | I wish they did |
| 14:34.01 | wereHamster | does :Hide() immediately trigger the OnHide script? |
| 14:34.47 | Maldivia | think so, there are numerous methods that immediately triggers an event or script... |
| 14:35.05 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hmm, ok |
| 14:35.06 | krka | yes |
| 14:35.13 | krka | used to be a source of infinite loop |
| 14:35.22 | krka | if you do Hide upon OnLeave |
| 14:35.36 | krka | (:Hide() triggers both OnLeave and OnHide) |
| 14:35.44 | wereHamster | :) |
| 14:35.44 | Maldivia | Or have a this:ClearFocus() in a LostFocus handler :) |
| 14:36.36 | krka | (took me a while to find that bug) |
| 14:36.50 | krka | ((actually, Legorol found it, i think)) |
| 14:37.59 | id` | (parentheses ftw) |
| 14:38.06 | Maldivia | Had a common handler for escape pressed and onLostFocus for an editbox, since the same thing should happen (if the user selected another editbox for instance), which triggered an endless loop :) |
| 14:40.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com) |
| 14:40.42 | krka | heh |
| 14:40.52 | Cairenn | hey Qzot |
| 14:40.57 | Maldivia | hehe... ChatFrame_AddMessageGroup, manual implementation of table.insert :) |
| 14:41.25 | Qzot | Good morning, people. |
| 14:41.31 | Cairenn | how goes? |
| 14:41.33 | Qzot | Good morning, Cairenn. |
| 14:41.46 | Maldivia | morning Qzot |
| 14:41.54 | Qzot | How goes? Lol. it's morning. Bleah. |
| 14:42.01 | krka | are you implying that Cairenn is not people? |
| 14:42.05 | Cairenn | heh, couldn't have said it better myself |
| 14:42.09 | Josh_Borke | morning qzot |
| 14:42.17 | Cairenn | krka: duh, of course I'm not people |
| 14:42.27 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 14:42.45 | wereHamster | will debugstack() correctly print out the function names of functions that are called like this: class:fnc() ? |
| 14:42.56 | Cairenn | ~mornings |
| 14:42.58 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 14:43.00 | Qzot | Cairenn said 'hi' directly to me. I said a general 'hi', and then a specific 'hi'. Don't start reading things in. :P |
| 14:43.16 | Cairenn | Qzot: now where's the fun in that? |
| 14:43.45 | Qzot | Oh, all right. When do the gremlins pop out of your chest? |
| 14:43.56 | Cairenn | o.0 |
| 14:44.02 | [MoonWolf] | :O |
| 14:44.11 | Maldivia | Cairenn: grr... why can't I remember the one tain usual uses, that states that it's always morning when someone enters a channel, and always late when they leave |
| 14:44.19 | Cairenn | ~ugt |
| 14:44.21 | purl | ugt is probably Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 14:44.26 | Maldivia | there it was ! |
| 14:44.29 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 14:44.37 | Cairenn | ~botsnack |
| 14:44.37 | purl | thanks, Cairenn |
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| 14:46.01 | Qzot | ~8ball Will people be anthropomorphizing simple stimulus-response bots a thousand years from now? |
| 14:46.02 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 14:46.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:46.31 | Qzot | ~8ball Think you'll still be around then? |
| 14:46.32 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 14:47.10 | krka | triangulation |
| 14:47.24 | krka | ~emulate krka |
| 14:47.25 | purl | ACTION has no idea how to use krka... |
| 14:47.53 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 14:48.16 | krka | ~emulate krka |
| 14:48.17 | purl | for concave 4 sided polygons, there is only ONE correct triangulation |
| 14:49.04 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Tain |
| 14:49.05 | purl | Changing someone's factinfo they set for themselves is pretty rude, asshole. |
| 14:49.17 | id` | lool |
| 14:49.20 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:49.26 | krka | ~krka |
| 14:49.27 | Maldivia | hmm, shouldn't it read: "for concave 4 sided polygons, there is only ONE correct triangulation, but multiple headackes" |
| 14:49.28 | Cairenn | someone did, it annoyed him |
| 14:50.20 | Qzot | What does ~emulate do? |
| 14:51.04 | Qzot | Gah. I'm going to be stuck in an airport half the morning, and WoW won't come up until just after the flight takes off. |
| 14:51.12 | Cairenn | if you put ~name, it gives info on the person. if you put ~emulate name, it gives an action (both presuming that stuff has been programmed in) |
| 14:51.15 | Cairenn | ~cairenn |
| 14:51.16 | purl | from memory, cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface.com, also EQInterface, EQ2Interface and VGInterface |
| 14:51.21 | Cairenn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 14:51.22 | purl | ACTION begins casting New awesome Site Feature on WoWInterface |
| 14:51.37 | Cairenn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 14:51.38 | purl | ACTION begins casting New awesome Site Feature on WoWInterface |
| 14:51.42 | Cairenn | grrrrrr |
| 14:51.55 | Cairenn | purl, no emulate Cairenn is <action> purrs |
| 14:51.56 | purl | Cairenn: okay |
| 14:52.02 | Cairenn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 14:52.04 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 14:52.10 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:52.24 | Josh_Borke | ~Tain |
| 14:52.28 | Maldivia | http://www.funlol.com/funpages/dub-dub.html ... dont push the button, you have been warned :) |
| 14:52.57 | krka | ~krka |
| 14:52.58 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, krka is a semi-retired addon coder. made stuff such as AutoTravel, MapLibrary, ... not much else really |
| 14:52.58 | Cairenn | must.fight.urge.to.push! |
| 14:52.59 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:53.03 | Josh_Borke | i totally pushed it :-( |
| 14:53.08 | Josh_Borke | good thing i have 2 monitors |
| 14:53.28 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 14:53.31 | Josh_Borke | i have no idea what it did though |
| 14:53.35 | Josh_Borke | my other monitor is just black |
| 14:54.15 | krka | anyone know why IE ignores text-align: right for my <td>? |
| 14:54.15 | Qzot | Cairenn: Are you planning to do either the Ashenvale or STV quest lines? |
| 14:54.25 | Cairenn | Qzot: ugh |
| 14:54.30 | Qzot | hehe |
| 14:54.39 | Cairenn | Qzot: I HATE PvP, and those are both gank central :( |
| 14:54.50 | krka | roll on pve! |
| 14:54.55 | Qzot | Yes, I agree, and heartily endorse anything but. |
| 14:54.58 | Cairenn | WHY do we have to be on stupid PvP server :( |
| 14:55.05 | krka | you have to? :( |
| 14:55.24 | Cairenn | krka: it's a professional association guild I was invited to join |
| 14:55.27 | Qzot | An early, bogus decision, imho, but now people don't want to move. I wish they would. |
| 14:55.38 | krka | i see |
| 14:55.53 | Qzot | It does seem to be easing somewhat in the late 40s. |
| 14:56.00 | Ktron|zzz | snaps awake at the phrase 'PvP server' |
| 14:56.41 | Cairenn | hate, loathe, despise, detest |
| 14:56.58 | id` | i rolled on pve and i was scared of people running by |
| 14:56.59 | Maldivia | world PvP is nice... when I want it, that is! |
| 14:57.00 | id` | :P |
| 14:57.27 | Josh_Borke | exactly. with limited play time, i want to be able to enjoy myself, not worry about being ganked 20 times just because someone is bored |
| 14:57.31 | id` | when that happens on pvp, adrenaline starts to pump |
| 14:57.34 | Qzot | I have had some really enjoyable times sneaking up and people in open PvP. And it doesn't begin to offset the frustration of being ganked repeatedly by 5x ??s. |
| 14:57.37 | Ktron|zzz | I've expressed my opinion about world PvP here before |
| 14:57.43 | Miravlix | One item looted result in 370 GetInventoryItemCooldown, 59 GetInventoryItemCount, 39 GetInventorySlotInfo and 206 GetItemInfo calls |
| 14:57.54 | id` | but on pvp i can jyst yawn and walk on |
| 14:57.55 | Ktron|zzz | world PvP isn't world Pvp right now-- it either needs a boost or a cut |
| 14:58.25 | Maldivia | GetItemInfo... hmm, item db mod installed ? |
| 14:58.29 | Miravlix | If that doesn't explain why I'm crying, nothing will |
| 14:58.44 | Ktron|zzz | You either need to put in border guards to zones and/or make defending world PvP as time effective at gaining honor battlegrounds and offensive world PvP |
| 14:58.52 | wereHamster | Miravlix, what tool do you use to gather those informations? |
| 14:58.59 | Miravlix | Wrote it myself |
| 14:59.47 | Ktron|zzz | or you need to limit world PvP so that higher level characters can't romp through lower level zones-- say, impose some kind of a limit system which roughly translates to keeping PvP from happening unless both parties are interested if their level difference is 10ish or something |
| 15:00.24 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/667236 |
| 15:00.37 | Qzot | Cairenn: Well, I brought up Ashenvale/STV to remind you that we have mules for the page-gathering quests, altho the mule for Ashenvale may be defunct. |
| 15:00.48 | Miravlix | That the code, but without my addon, so you have to hack it into an addon |
| 15:01.03 | Cairenn | Iriel posted an interesting suggestion re world pvp: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-suggestions&t=789131&p=1&tmp=1#post789131 |
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| 15:01.27 | Maldivia | morning tain |
| 15:01.40 | Qzot | Ktron: Iriel suggested an ability to haunt with a debuff. I suggested making corpse running *much* faster depending on the level difference of those ganking you. |
| 15:02.21 | Ktron|zzz | Either world should have the benefits of a battleground, or the world should have the rules of a battleground... is haunting rangeless? |
| 15:02.31 | krka | your hooking is broken Miravlix |
| 15:02.38 | Ktron|zzz | and what about epic mounts? |
| 15:02.53 | Ktron|zzz | let alone people who'd rather have just kept questing |
| 15:03.11 | Ktron|zzz | or stealth? |
| 15:03.28 | krka | Lix.Hook.Remove assumes that nothing else has hooked the function |
| 15:03.44 | Miravlix | So? |
| 15:03.57 | Miravlix | It's a debug addon |
| 15:04.09 | Qzot | Unhooking is almost always a bad idea. Classic problem. Disable by simple pass-through. |
| 15:04.15 | Miravlix | Not supposed to work in a normal system |
| 15:04.26 | krka | oh, thought it was something more generic |
| 15:04.28 | Qzot | Fair enough. |
| 15:04.54 | Miravlix | What I do, is hook some calls do some thing unhook to get the count |
| 15:05.20 | Miravlix | It's all it needs to do to give me the numbers to write real addons |
| 15:05.25 | Josh_Borke | hm, is it possible to unhook cleanly? |
| 15:05.43 | Miravlix | You can verify that it's your hook for one thing |
| 15:05.50 | krka | Josh_Borke, sometimes |
| 15:05.51 | Qzot | In general, however, no. |
| 15:05.53 | Miravlix | func = myfunc |
| 15:06.09 | Ktron|zzz | Haunting is a new and interesting idea, but I think it'd be really hard to implement to have any effect |
| 15:06.09 | Miravlix | if func == myfunc that is |
| 15:06.21 | krka | well... you can make a wrapper func... that simply forwards the call |
| 15:06.26 | Miravlix | Haunting is a rogue's worst nightmare |
| 15:06.46 | Miravlix | It would effectively kill stealthers advantage? |
| 15:07.00 | Josh_Borke | hrmph. alright. guess i'll need to go undo that...thanks :-) |
| 15:07.03 | Ktron|zzz | I've suggested that people get a debuff on killing players significantly lower than them, that stacks and lasts like 5-10 minutes... |
| 15:07.12 | Ktron|zzz | Miravlix, do you release instantly? |
| 15:07.18 | krka | function wrapperFunc(...) if enabled then myFunc(...) end oldFunc(...) end |
| 15:07.22 | Ktron|zzz | Miravlix, otherwise the rogue can just vanish and hightail it |
| 15:07.47 | Miravlix | Autorelease for the win! :) |
| 15:08.07 | Ktron|zzz | And you have to release at your corpse, otherwise they'd just leave while you're running back |
| 15:08.09 | krka | clean unhooking: no, second best thing: yes! |
| 15:08.23 | krka | for most cases, unhooking is not interesting though |
| 15:08.25 | Ktron|zzz | and what about epic mounts? are these ghosts all moving at faster than epic speeds/ |
| 15:08.26 | Ktron|zzz | *? |
| 15:08.41 | krka | ghost movement is 125% |
| 15:08.43 | krka | 150% for NE |
| 15:08.47 | Miravlix | Haunting gives you the ability to teleport to the one you haunt |
| 15:09.08 | Miravlix | Actually haunting makes you a minipet of the one you haunt |
| 15:09.21 | Miravlix | No movement control and stuff while it goes on |
| 15:09.25 | Ktron|zzz | can you choose when you want to teleport back? |
| 15:09.32 | krka | i didn't mind ganking that much when AutoTravel worked |
| 15:09.41 | krka | i could just run back to my corpse and continue |
| 15:09.48 | Ktron|zzz | i g2g |
| 15:10.30 | Miravlix | I dunno what the haunting idea is, just fluffing the concept |
| 15:10.43 | Wobin_ | Qzot: BTW, if you're flying Singapore Airlines, they now have wireless internet on some of their flights =) |
| 15:10.57 | Ktron|zzz | Anyway, still, that does nothing for people who just want to get quests done-- if you're sugggesting they shoudl take time to harass a player slightly until he's annoyed and then go back... plus, things like flightpaths, teleports... idk |
| 15:10.58 | Cairenn | Wobin_: cool |
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| 15:11.08 | Qzot | krka: That works with my suggestion that you scale ghost run speed anywhere from the normal 125/150%, to flight speed 400-500% if you were ganked by someone 10-20 levels up. The irritation factor drops considerably when it costs you 30 secs rather than 4 minutes. |
| 15:11.22 | Wobin_ | Ghost mounts! |
| 15:11.40 | Wobin_ | Shamans should be able to shift to ghostwolf form when dead |
| 15:11.52 | Ktron|zzz | undead shouldn't turn into ghosts |
| 15:12.04 | Miravlix | Undead has a soul |
| 15:12.13 | Wobin_ | [5 minutes until release] [reroll?] |
| 15:12.22 | Ktron|zzz | but can the undead die? I don't think so! |
| 15:12.31 | krka | for me it is mostly the annoyance of actually having to steer my character all the way back |
| 15:12.42 | Wobin_ | With the proper application of BRAAAAIIINS you should be able to res the undead |
| 15:12.55 | Wobin_ | (Or GRAAAAIIINS for those who are vegan) |
| 15:13.00 | Qzot | krka: Really? Even if the amount of steering was reduced 80%? |
| 15:13.16 | krka | well, time spent doing it is obviously a factor |
| 15:13.28 | Wobin_ | Death should allow a noclip effect |
| 15:13.34 | krka | heh |
| 15:13.42 | Wobin_ | It'd be much easier if I could just run in a straight line to my corpse |
| 15:14.16 | Qzot | Later, guys. Off to the airport. |
| 15:15.22 | Cairenn | later Qzot, boring flight to you |
| 15:15.30 | Qzot | Thank you. |
| 15:15.44 | wereHamster | how long does 'silence' last? |
| 15:15.54 | Qzot | Until someone speaks. |
| 15:15.58 | zenzelezz | just short of what you need |
| 15:16.02 | Wobin_ | Tree falling in the forest |
| 15:16.23 | Wobin_ | Silence lasts for about 5 seconsd I think |
| 15:19.09 | Cairenn|afk | later guys |
| 15:19.17 | zenzelezz | /wave |
| 15:20.04 | Wobin_ | wereHamster: 6 seconds |
| 15:20.39 | wereHamster | is there any other silence-like spell that lasts longer? |
| 15:20.49 | Wobin_ | sorry 5 |
| 15:20.56 | Wobin_ | Not castable by the players |
| 15:20.57 | wereHamster | world server down.. great :( |
| 15:21.14 | krka | i have never managed to cast a longer lasting silent on my girlfriend than 5 seconds :(/ |
| 15:21.15 | Wobin_ | US tuesday |
| 15:21.16 | wereHamster | who has such spells? |
| 15:21.20 | Wobin_ | Priests |
| 15:21.26 | Wobin_ | Mages have counterspell |
| 15:21.27 | wereHamster | EU Tuesday, too, but not maintenance |
| 15:21.39 | Wobin_ | which can silence a certain tree |
| 15:21.52 | Wobin_ | And shieldbash does the same |
| 15:21.56 | wereHamster | how long does that last? |
| 15:21.59 | Wobin_ | for warriors |
| 15:22.06 | Wobin_ | Oh and kick |
| 15:22.08 | Wobin_ | for rogues |
| 15:23.50 | Wobin_ | Counterspell counters for 10seconds |
| 15:23.56 | Wobin_ | for a particular school of magic |
| 15:24.11 | Wobin_ | at the lowest level |
| 15:24.55 | Wobin_ | hrm, no, just 10 seconds |
| 15:25.07 | krka | and silences for 4 seconds with talent |
| 15:25.11 | krka | i think |
| 15:27.46 | Wobin_ | kick is a 5 second silence |
| 15:27.50 | Wobin_ | for the school |
| 15:31.30 | krka | how many schools are there? |
| 15:31.34 | krka | do all classes have schools? |
| 15:31.44 | krka | all three mage trees are schools, right? |
| 15:31.53 | krka | same for priest / paladin i guess |
| 15:32.05 | krka | do warriors have schools? |
| 15:32.21 | Miravlix | Not sure, but we all have 3 spellbook tabs |
| 15:32.29 | krka | silence only affect magic users, right? |
| 15:32.32 | krka | not energy / rage |
| 15:34.33 | zenzelezz | silence affects some warrior stuff... think the Shouts at least can be silenced |
| 15:35.14 | zenzelezz | I know I've had the message a few times in Maraudon, wonder if it could be Taunt |
| 15:35.47 | Wobin_ | yeah, silence only affects stuff which involve a somatic component |
| 15:35.55 | Wobin_ | which is all spell casting and shouts |
| 15:36.34 | krka | wish wow ui designed worked in linux, looks cool |
| 15:37.21 | krka | i wonder how humans / gnomes / trolls cast spells under water |
| 15:38.16 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 15:38.35 | Wobin_ | You can still speak underwater |
| 15:38.45 | Wobin_ | It should reduce your breath though =) |
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| 15:39.11 | Maldivia | who says the spell casts in WoW are somatic ? |
| 15:39.30 | Maldivia | aren't |
| 15:40.05 | Maldivia | although, it would kind of kill the purpose of silence :) |
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| 15:44.00 | wereHamster | zenzelezz, it also affect taunt :( |
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| 15:45.16 | zenzelezz | yeah, thought so. I remember the one place in Maraudon where you keep fighting basilisks... could be tricky without Taunt (not to mention silenced casters/healers) |
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| 16:07.19 | Eraphine|Lab | kremonte ! GUI for GetLink! |
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| 16:09.22 | Ktron|zzz | Anyone know if the dress-up feature/window could be made to show weapons with enchants on them? |
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| 16:21.09 | ckknight | hey all |
| 16:21.51 | Elkano | ho ck :) |
| 16:22.26 | Elkano | btw: this we has been AV weekend but HonorFu didn't calculate... Blizzard's fault? |
| 16:25.19 | id` | Anyone ever had a go ad wow ui designer? is it easy to throw something together? |
| 16:25.28 | id` | at wow* |
| 16:25.39 | id` | im installing .net 2.0 now ... |
| 16:25.44 | Tain | It's easy. I didn't like the XML that resulted at all so it wasn't worth it to me to use. |
| 16:25.59 | id` | ah thats what i thought |
| 16:26.04 | id` | kinda like dreamweaver :P |
| 16:26.04 | Tain | Or I should say it was easy for simple things. |
| 16:26.15 | id` | I wanna make unit frames |
| 16:26.29 | id` | not going to use the LUA api for it |
| 16:26.35 | id` | XML has templates :P |
| 16:26.42 | id` | (and is even easier to understand imo) |
| 16:27.30 | Adrine | I personally haven't found it useful enough to use |
| 16:27.37 | Elkano | id, I use it to look at the frames outside of wow, but not to build them. This is still 100% handmade (or c&p) |
| 16:27.54 | id` | oki |
| 16:27.57 | id` | :) |
| 16:28.24 | Wobin_ | id`: Linky? |
| 16:28.28 | Ktron|zzz | which one of these consumes more memory-- { "abc", "def" } or { "a", "b", "c", "d", "e", "f" } |
| 16:28.32 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4222 |
| 16:28.42 | Ktron|zzz | or is it the same? |
| 16:28.42 | Tain | The latter does. |
| 16:28.44 | id` | clearly the latter |
| 16:29.04 | Ktron|zzz | just making sure |
| 16:29.09 | id` | :) |
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| 16:33.55 | cmunn | Cide around? |
| 16:34.04 | Cide | yes |
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| 16:34.36 | Ktron|zzz | table.insert(table, pos, {val1, val2}) would be okay, right? and then I would specify parts of it like table[j][k] I'd guess? |
| 16:34.58 | Cide | that'd be okay, ya |
| 16:35.07 | Ktron|zzz | alright |
| 16:35.12 | Cide | table[pos][1] would be val1 |
| 16:35.23 | Ktron|zzz | and table[pos][2] would be val2 |
| 16:35.24 | Ktron|zzz | yeah |
| 16:35.27 | Cide | yup |
| 16:35.29 | cmunn | In CT_RA: CT_RA_Stats[name]["AFK"] and CT_RA_Stats[name]["DND"], seems to be assigned nil if not, {1,0} if AFK/DND without message, or {msg, 0} if AFK/DND with message |
| 16:35.39 | cmunn | What's the second item in the table used for? |
| 16:35.54 | Cide | how long they've been afk/dnd, I believe |
| 16:37.03 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 16:37.07 | cmunn | Thanks ^_^ |
| 16:37.11 | Cide | np |
| 16:39.06 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 16:39.19 | Wobin_ | Does Lua have a const variable thing? |
| 16:39.29 | Wobin_ | I guess I could use a global... |
| 16:40.51 | Adrine | I just use all-caps to name "constants" |
| 16:40.59 | Adrine | They're still mutable, though |
| 16:41.05 | Adrine | But it helps me keep their usage straight. |
| 16:41.26 | Wobin_ | Actually not the usage I was thinking of... |
| 16:41.43 | Wobin_ | I needed a counter that stayed valid over multiple function calls |
| 16:41.56 | Wobin_ | So a global will do just fine |
| 16:42.12 | Wobin_ | I was just scratching around in my memory for a term that I recalled used to do that |
| 16:42.24 | Adrine | I'd say "global" is likely appropriate :) |
| 16:42.29 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 16:42.33 | Wobin_ | In this context |
| 16:42.44 | Wobin_ | I could swear there was something like const or something in C/ |
| 16:42.48 | Wobin_ | ++/# |
| 16:43.16 | Adrine | Not htat I can remember |
| 16:43.44 | Wobin_ | Damnit, I've regressed =( |
| 16:43.51 | Wobin_ | I need a job =P |
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| 16:48.15 | id` | "Interface\DialogFrame\UI-DialogBox-Header" |
| 16:48.33 | id` | where do i pull all these variables from, my ass? :| how do i know what i can choose... |
| 16:48.41 | id` | i just want a black bg with a 1px border |
| 16:48.47 | id` | (i am thinking in css :|) |
| 16:49.16 | id` | hell making this with xhtml and css is probably way easier too |
| 16:49.21 | id` | :P |
| 16:49.42 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 16:49.45 | [MoonWolf] | but you dont have that in wow. |
| 16:49.52 | id` | yepp :P |
| 16:49.54 | cmunn | Cide, does CTRA have a version control repository anywhere? |
| 16:49.57 | Adrine | Not quite so easy :) |
| 16:50.11 | Adrine | WoW's XML supports some stuff that's hard to replicate in xhtml |
| 16:50.27 | Cide | cmunn: not really |
| 16:50.31 | id` | thats true |
| 16:51.29 | Adrine | (I've tried :P) |
| 16:51.29 | id` | lol |
| 16:51.29 | id` | creates* |
| 16:51.29 | cmunn | Cide: Any plans for moving to one? |
| 16:52.36 | Cide | doubt it |
| 16:52.51 | cmunn | qq |
| 16:52.54 | Adrine | id`: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/uiviewer/index.php?file=xml/BankFrame.xml :) |
| 16:52.59 | Cide | I don't see why it'd be helpful :) |
| 16:53.16 | cmunn | In case you wanted to look back at an older version... |
| 16:54.03 | cmunn | Or in case my mod involves extensive changes to your code, and I'd be nice to be able to keep them as patches, and merge them with new updates of your code instead of having to rip it all apart every update xD |
| 16:54.08 | zenzelezz | [18:42] <Wobin_> I could swear there was something like const or something in C/ <--- if defined inside the function, "static"? |
| 16:54.12 | cmunn | <33 |
| 16:54.25 | id` | Adrine: crazy.. |
| 16:54.32 | Adrine | Yes it is. :) |
| 16:54.34 | Wobin_ | static! |
| 16:54.37 | Wobin_ | Thank you! =) |
| 16:54.39 | Adrine | I've mostly run into problems doing multiple anchors |
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| 16:54.52 | Adrine | But that remains the same across all instances of a class, not just multiple function calls |
| 16:54.56 | Adrine | Which isn't quite the same thing |
| 16:55.04 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 16:55.14 | Wobin_ | I recalled the functionality partially at least |
| 16:55.29 | Wobin_ | In that it was a "I know I've used -something- like that before for something like this..." |
| 16:56.16 | Wobin_ | I wonder if you could implement a static through metatables |
| 16:57.21 | cmunn | Cide: CT_RaidAssist.lua redefines some functions at its beginning: FCFMessageTypeDropDown_OnClick, FCF_CancelFontColorSettings, FCF_SetChatTypeColor, FCF_Tab_OnClick that don't seem to actually be used by CTRA |
| 16:57.28 | cmunn | what are they for? |
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| 17:02.19 | id` | Adrine: you can do something sort of like templates though |
| 17:02.24 | id` | theres inheritance in css |
| 17:02.35 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/ |
| 17:02.49 | id` | If you look at the source (yes its not valid) |
| 17:03.08 | id` | i can change thei height of the bars and both would change, but they have a different sub class |
| 17:03.28 | wereHamster | some time ago I thought about a 'frame registry' addon where anyone could register a frame and the registry would create an 'overlay frame' with the same dimensions and then you could go into a 'edit' mode, the overlays would appear just above their frames and when you moved two frames near each other they would stick just like magnets to each other.. what do you think? |
| 17:04.05 | cmunn | Well, off to class :( |
| 17:04.10 | cmunn | I'll bug ya' more later, Cide. |
| 17:04.27 | id` | wereHamster: like moveanything |
| 17:04.41 | id` | wereHamster: and the snapping, i believe it was Tain that played with that |
| 17:05.35 | wereHamster | oh.. so does MoveAnything have all that? |
| 17:07.12 | id` | the overlay thing, yes |
| 17:07.44 | Tain | Yeah I did that with VisorGUI. |
| 17:08.20 | Tain | MoveAnything has a small set of a few pre-defined frames you can do that with, I think. |
| 17:08.57 | Wobin_ | Cladhaire has also worked with stickyframes to some degree |
| 17:09.34 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/ |
| 17:09.37 | id` | Adrine: |
| 17:09.42 | id` | :p |
| 17:09.51 | id` | god this is so much easier :| |
| 17:10.33 | id` | although i really like the setpoint thing that you can make things stick to things with... |
| 17:11.10 | Adrine | Heheh. HTML is nice for prototyping, definitely. |
| 17:11.27 | Adrine | Frame parenting and positioning is really handy though |
| 17:11.33 | id` | yeah |
| 17:12.24 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.55 | Wobin_ | http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-inglewood17apr17,0,7619518.story?coll=la-home-headlines |
| 17:13.56 | id` | no im just playing |
| 17:13.59 | id` | xD |
| 17:15.10 | wereHamster | does a 'Button' frame have a OnMouseDown handler? |
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| 17:27.57 | Josh_Borke | question: I'm trying to make a frame from another mod hide/show based on when I mouse-over it. I could use visor, but since i've already started making my own addon that does my setup, i'd like to just leave it all in lua. what steps do I need to take in order to make the mouse thing work? |
| 17:29.24 | Josh_Borke | do I need to use GetHandler or GetScript? |
| 17:30.12 | Josh_Borke | or rather, i guess GetHandler doesn't exist. I'm trying GetScript and then SetScript, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 17:31.06 | AnduinLothar | VisibilityOptions |
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| 17:36.26 | Josh_Borke | AnduinLothar: thanks |
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| 17:39.52 | Maldivia | morn Iriel |
| 17:40.09 | Kirov | you blue yet? |
| 17:41.07 | Iriel | Nope |
| 17:42.26 | Maldivia | or not :) |
| 17:42.29 | Wobin_ | Elton John? =) |
| 17:42.38 | Maldivia | Gary Moore |
| 17:42.53 | Wobin_ | Why am I visualising EJ doing that song? |
| 17:43.11 | Kirov | Bah, need something classic ... like Limp Biskit |
| 17:43.28 | Wobin_ | Oh |
| 17:43.36 | Wobin_ | "And I guess that's why they call it the blues...." |
| 17:43.40 | Maldivia | Wobin: you thinking of, Guess that's why they call it the blues ? |
| 17:43.45 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 17:43.48 | Maldivia | seems so :) |
| 17:44.07 | Kirov | Anyone know for sure if we're ever getting a GetInboxItemLink() |
| 17:44.14 | Wobin_ | God I hope so =) |
| 17:44.19 | Wobin_ | ItemIDs for EVERYONE! =) |
| 17:44.46 | Kirov | I'm wondering if I should include it in my currently short list of things for Cairenn to pester blizzard with. |
| 17:44.56 | Wobin_ | Cause it's really one of the few places where you dont use itemids |
| 17:44.58 | Maldivia | dont we already that functionality? |
| 17:45.08 | krka | GetCaret/SetCaret plz |
| 17:45.16 | Wobin_ | I don't think so, Maldivia =( |
| 17:45.27 | Kirov | krka - aye, that'd be a nice one |
| 17:45.29 | Iriel | I believe cairenn's going to be interviewing them for an article, not pestering them for API functions! |
| 17:45.42 | Kirov | Iriel - bah |
| 17:45.42 | Wobin_ | Iriel: You can pester them! =) |
| 17:46.03 | Iriel | We pester them for API functions on a daily basis |
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| 17:46.21 | Iriel | though for a request like GetInboxItemLink it'd help to come up with a rational example where there's something useful you can't do because you dont have it |
| 17:46.27 | Celandro | hello.. who runs wowwiki.com? |
| 17:46.41 | Celandro | I need to enter a table but I think it requires a module to be installed |
| 17:46.42 | Wobin_ | name, itemTexture, count, quality, canUse |
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| 17:46.44 | Iriel | Celandro : "runs" - someone on the cosmos team I believe |
| 17:46.47 | Wobin_ | is the only return |
| 17:46.53 | Celandro | I thought it was anduin |
| 17:46.55 | Celandro | but not sure |
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| 17:46.57 | Josh_Borke | AnduinLothar: so Visibility Options does not actually hook the OnEnter/OnLeave, it just sees if the mouse is there? |
| 17:46.58 | Iriel | No, it's not anduin |
| 17:47.09 | Kirov | Celandro - What are you here about? |
| 17:47.29 | Celandro | just working on some glancing blow info |
| 17:47.33 | Celandro | possible mod |
| 17:47.45 | Josh_Borke | you can't enter a table on the wiki? |
| 17:47.48 | AnduinLothar | mmm, vjeux? |
| 17:47.49 | Celandro | that calculates target defense + AC |
| 17:48.13 | Celandro | shows glancing blow reduction as % of your total damage, etc |
| 17:48.26 | Celandro | mathmod_0319 |
| 17:48.36 | Wobin_ | Iriel: I can't see why we -shouldn't- be able to get ItemIDs from mail items... No rational example other than "If we are able to access the links, we can make a whole lot of addons work a lot better"? =) |
| 17:48.46 | Celandro | but yes, for now just wanted to put a table in wowwiki |
| 17:49.20 | AnduinLothar | you can make tables just fine |
| 17:49.23 | Iriel | Celandro - There's markup for that, I think it's {| and |} but I can't remember offhand |
| 17:49.35 | Kirov | You can also use HTML |
| 17:49.36 | Celandro | ahh.. at work its ||blah||blah2|| |
| 17:49.40 | Kirov | I think |
| 17:50.09 | Iriel | Wobin_ : Agreed BUT there's a whole bunch of things there's no reason we /shouldn't/ do, but we still can't, they get prioritized if they're demonstrably useful. "Because we dont have it" isn't a weighty argument. |
| 17:50.17 | Kirov | Celandro - I just used HTML, the css file for Wowwiki treats them the same in the end. |
| 17:50.32 | Wobin_ | Iriel: yeah, which is why I'm trying to find a reason =) |
| 17:50.57 | Wobin_ | It's more "well a whole lot of other things we use can have itemIDs, why not mail stuff too?" |
| 17:51.18 | Kirov | you can link items from the trade window though |
| 17:51.25 | Kirov | which is near pointless |
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| 17:51.31 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:51.32 | Maldivia | a 5th (or is it 6th) return value on GetInboxItemInfo would do :) |
| 17:51.41 | sharkhat | wow up yet? |
| 17:51.45 | Cide | yes |
| 17:51.46 | Wobin_ | sixth =) |
| 17:51.54 | Maldivia | and without the Info :) |
| 17:52.03 | Iriel | Celandro : {| begins the table, | at the start of a line starts a row, || is the column separator, |} ends the table |
| 17:52.11 | Kirov | bah, just GetInboxItemLink() |
| 17:52.18 | Kirov | screw the 50 returns |
| 17:52.30 | Gryphen | Celandro: Vlad |
| 17:53.36 | Iriel | One argument I can think of for linking from the inbox would be if someone sent you something COD and you want to ask your guild if you should accept it |
| 17:55.12 | Kirov | Iriel - bag space |
| 17:55.26 | Iriel | Who cares about bag space |
| 17:55.31 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:55.41 | Iriel | You can always make room in a bag |
| 17:55.49 | Iriel | You can't un-pay for a COD item |
| 17:56.21 | Kirov | I'm adding that to my suggestion if you don't mind. |
| 17:56.22 | Cide | bag space is quite an issue for some people :) |
| 17:56.45 | Cide | but one slot shouldn't be an issue really |
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| 17:58.01 | Wobin_ | Miravlix: Come! Brainstorm with us! We're trying to come up with valid examples of why we would need to get an ItemLink from a mail item =) |
| 17:58.17 | Wobin_ | So we can bug Slouken to add it into the next patch |
| 17:58.55 | Cide | well, if anything, to be in line with other item buttons |
| 17:59.10 | Cide | an item button that displays the item's tooltip generally links the item in chat :) |
| 17:59.26 | Wobin_ | See? That's my argument =P But it's still less than a valid argument, apparantly =) |
| 17:59.41 | Miravlix | I'm currently trying to talk myself into doing W&I, so I have enough worries. :) |
| 17:59.59 | Wobin_ | Are there any other instances where we can't get the itemlink from something like that? |
| 18:00.02 | Wobin_ | W&I? |
| 18:00.15 | Iriel | The linking argument is fine, you just need a reason why youhave to link FROM the inbox |
| 18:00.24 | Miravlix | Wipe and Install Windows. the bimonthly way to work with Windows |
| 18:00.36 | Wobin_ | Miravlix: Ew. =( |
| 18:00.40 | Wobin_ | ~comfort Miravlix |
| 18:00.42 | purl | There, there, Miravlix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:01.23 | Miravlix | Think the installation is 2-3 years old |
| 18:01.31 | Wobin_ | Definitely time |
| 18:01.33 | Miravlix | And I'm finally running out of ways fixing it |
| 18:05.02 | Kirov | Can anyone think of a good reason apart from tooltip scanning for getting an event for when a tooltip has been updated by information from the server |
| 18:05.50 | Kirov | example: SetItemRef of a recipe or set item takes 2/3 updates before it shows all it's info |
| 18:07.03 | Kirov | In the case of a set item it shows the base item, then the name of the set, then the name of all the set items, I think there's one more for the set bonuses now. |
| 18:07.43 | Kirov | Only reason I can think of is for data farming, so I'm thinking it's not one I should ask for. =P |
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| 18:08.22 | Kirov | It's kind of the issue with any tooltip requests though. >.< |
| 18:09.08 | Miravlix | Isn't there a tooltip update event? |
| 18:13.29 | Iriel | We asked for an "OnTooltipChanged" handler for GameTooltip objects |
| 18:13.33 | Iriel | (It wouldn't be an "event") |
| 18:13.49 | Kirov | That works |
| 18:15.11 | krka | and is better :) |
| 18:16.47 | Iriel | You could always implement it yourself, find it invaluable, then ask slouken to make it part of the base API? |
| 18:17.11 | Kirov | Not sure how though |
| 18:17.42 | Iriel | Combination of OnUpdate and GetTextLeft checking |
| 18:17.56 | Kirov | ew |
| 18:18.01 | Iriel | I didn't say it was pretty 8-) |
| 18:18.13 | Kirov | That's exactly what the handler would be used to avoid. |
| 18:18.16 | Iriel | but it would be a nice to verify it's actually useful before asking for it |
| 18:19.00 | Kirov | Right now I set the tooltip, ignore it for 2 seconds, look at it, then look at it again in 2 more seconds to see if there's a change. |
| 18:19.00 | kremonte | is there any way to make an 'animated' dropdown menu? |
| 18:19.14 | Kirov | kremonte - sure |
| 18:19.20 | kremonte | oi? |
| 18:19.20 | Kirov | But you're just asking for pain |
| 18:19.25 | kremonte | :( |
| 18:19.32 | kremonte | i want it to like |
| 18:19.37 | kremonte | open up |
| 18:19.38 | kremonte | >< |
| 18:19.53 | Iriel | You'd need to implement your own dropdowns really |
| 18:20.11 | kremonte | how would i.. make it, though? |
| 18:20.12 | Kirov | Or stick the dropdown inside of a scrollframe. =) |
| 18:20.26 | Kirov | then animate the scrolling of the scroll frame |
| 18:20.30 | kremonte | i don't want it just to be text though :p |
| 18:20.33 | kremonte | i want to make tabs |
| 18:20.33 | Iriel | It depends how smoothly you want it to open |
| 18:20.45 | Iriel | the scrollframe trick might be a neat one |
| 18:21.01 | Iriel | Instead of scrolling the child, you simply widen the parent |
| 18:21.21 | kremonte | i don't even know how scrollframes work :X |
| 18:21.38 | Kirov | iriel - meh, I'd scroll the child, just pop it open scrolled to the bottom and scroll up. |
| 18:21.54 | Kirov | Just make the scrollchild twice the height of the dropdown. |
| 18:21.55 | Iriel | Kirov: That works too I suppose, depends if the child has a background |
| 18:22.05 | Kirov | Doesn't need one |
| 18:22.27 | kremonte | you all speak shenanigans |
| 18:22.29 | Kirov | as far as I know no scroll frame in the game has one |
| 18:22.38 | kremonte | i want like []= []== []=== []==== []===== |
| 18:22.52 | Iriel | Oh, you want it to open up SIDEWAYS? |
| 18:22.55 | kremonte | no |
| 18:23.00 | kremonte | but i can't do vertically in irc |
| 18:23.00 | kremonte | =^) |
| 18:23.06 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:23.11 | Iriel | Ah, then what we're talking about is what you're asking for |
| 18:23.13 | Kirov | kremonte - what are these exactly? |
| 18:23.18 | Kirov | You mentioned tabs |
| 18:23.19 | kremonte | what are what? :X |
| 18:23.26 | kremonte | wait i'll make a little photoshop thing |
| 18:23.49 | Kirov | the scroll frame thing might be going overboard |
| 18:24.06 | Kirov | might be fun to make anyways |
| 18:24.20 | Kirov | I can add it to my random but pointless UI enhancements. |
| 18:24.33 | Kirov | like my apple OS style action bar. |
| 18:24.47 | Josh_Borke | Kirov: have these enhancements been released? |
| 18:25.02 | Kirov | Josh_Borke - nope, because they're pointless, and semi-broken. |
| 18:25.02 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:25.06 | kremonte | eh screw it |
| 18:25.09 | kremonte | you know what |
| 18:25.14 | kremonte | i'll just make it like alpha fade >< |
| 18:25.19 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:25.24 | kremonte | laziness ftw |
| 18:25.30 | kremonte | you know what? i won't even animate it |
| 18:25.35 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 18:26.01 | Kirov | omg! two of them! |
| 18:26.11 | Kirov | *eek* |
| 18:26.51 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 18:27.07 | Kirov | Cairenn + Cairenn|afk |
| 18:30.01 | Wobin_ | IT's like matter and antimatter! |
| 18:30.30 | Wobin_ | If it were Cairenn and Cairenn|sleep, then we'd have to worry, cause we know that's the same person! |
| 18:30.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:30.56 | Cairenn | no, it's Cairenn not signed out at home, and now signed in elsewhere |
| 18:31.30 | Kirov | Josh - http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DockBar.0.1.zip |
| 18:31.35 | kremonte | what's the weapon swap function? i heard there was an addon, but |
| 18:31.38 | Kirov | super super ugly code |
| 18:31.41 | Kirov | and bad math |
| 18:31.58 | kremonte | something like QuickWeaponSwap? |
| 18:32.04 | kremonte | (i haven't been able to find anything of that name :x) |
| 18:32.26 | Kirov | kremonte - hmm? |
| 18:32.40 | kremonte | a macroable function to change gear |
| 18:32.44 | kremonte | so i dont need to use bag slots |
| 18:32.50 | kremonte | i'm too messy for htat =o |
| 18:32.58 | Kirov | there's a ton on those type of addons |
| 18:33.04 | kremonte | can't find anything on WoWI ._. |
| 18:33.14 | kremonte | i found quickstealthequip..but not what i want |
| 18:33.20 | Kirov | might not be on wowi |
| 18:33.32 | kremonte | >< |
| 18:33.36 | Kirov | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=121 |
| 18:33.47 | kremonte | stops earching faster than i can |
| 18:34.06 | Kirov | search? |
| 18:34.16 | Kirov | I just type in random id's till I find it |
| 18:34.19 | Kirov | ;) |
| 18:34.21 | kremonte | liar >< |
| 18:36.12 | Kirov | kremonte - can you do itemids with GetLInk? |
| 18:36.27 | kremonte | why would you need to ? :Q |
| 18:36.35 | kremonte | it uses GetItemInfo, so you can't forcibly make a linki |
| 18:36.36 | kremonte | link* |
| 18:36.58 | Kirov | just curious |
| 18:38.42 | Kirov | Fizz added it to his linkerator |
| 18:38.53 | Kirov | I love the Fizzwidget addons |
| 18:39.16 | krka | hmm... i can probably write this tokenizer without creating any new strings |
| 18:39.22 | krka | cool stuff |
| 18:39.22 | Kirov | I don't use any of them, I just love the way he and his guild "market" them. |
| 18:39.54 | Kirov | krka - does Highlight(pos,pos) not work? |
| 18:40.18 | Kirov | it has to be Highlight(pos,pos+1) ? |
| 18:40.52 | Kirov | hence your \1 stuff |
| 18:40.56 | Kirov | right? |
| 18:41.22 | krka | set/get-caret is tems stuff, not mine |
| 18:41.26 | krka | i haven't tested it at all |
| 18:41.45 | krka | possible that highlight(pos, pos) would work... but tem probably had a good reason for doing it the way he did it |
| 18:42.17 | wereHamster | how do I make a frame that I created in lua movable? |
| 18:42.40 | Kirov | user movable? |
| 18:42.50 | wereHamster | I have :EnableMouse(true) :SetMovable(true) |
| 18:43.04 | wereHamster | yes, so I can drag it with the mouse |
| 18:43.34 | Kirov | SetScript("OnDragStart", function() frame:StartMove() end) I think |
| 18:43.41 | Kirov | forget the actual function |
| 18:43.55 | kremonte | oh man, this guy made me cry irl |
| 18:43.57 | wereHamster | the frame doesn't even reveive OnDragStart |
| 18:44.03 | kremonte | i have !getlink set up so you can whisper me !getlink <link> |
| 18:44.05 | Kirov | StarMoving() |
| 18:44.26 | kremonte | and this guy asked how i did it, i said i added it to my addon.. "well i can say i wrote cosmos, tell me where i can dl it?" |
| 18:44.33 | Kirov | were you have to register the frame for drag events |
| 18:44.54 | Kirov | this:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"); |
| 18:45.04 | wereHamster | but if you create a frame in xml, all you have to do is: enableMouse="true" movable="true" |
| 18:45.07 | krka | kremonte :( |
| 18:45.15 | Eraphine|Lab | Is it unnatural for me to cringe when people report ui mem stacks of 110 megs? |
| 18:45.35 | Kirov | were - you still have to register it for drags |
| 18:45.49 | Iriel | RegisterForDrag doesn't have anything to do with movability |
| 18:45.54 | wereHamster | does WoW do it for me if I specify movable="true" in the xml? |
| 18:46.09 | Celandro | eraph: well.. when people are running databases in their UI what can you expect? |
| 18:46.11 | Iriel | You have to call StartMoving() in your OnMouseDown handler |
| 18:46.30 | Iriel | WoW doesn't do the actual moving, it just lets you call StartMoving on your frame |
| 18:46.33 | Celandro | the dbs at my work all run with 8 gigs of memory and ive got 2 gigs at home so 110 megs doesnt make me flinch |
| 18:46.51 | wereHamster | so does WoW.exe do these things for me when I create the frame in xml? |
| 18:47.18 | Iriel | NO |
| 18:47.31 | Iriel | Look at the blizzard code for something moveable |
| 18:47.43 | Eraphine|Lab | Hey kremonte |
| 18:47.45 | Iriel | <OnMouseDown>this:StartMoving()</OnMouseDown> |
| 18:47.52 | Kirov | Eraphine - um ... eek! |
| 18:47.53 | Iriel | <OnMouseUp>this:StopMovingOrSizing()</OnMouseUp> |
| 18:48.26 | Kirov | Eraphine - What are they running, LootLink, Auctioneer, Gatherer, DamageMeters and Recap?! |
| 18:48.47 | Eraphine|Lab | I don't know exactly, it just seems excessive. |
| 18:48.51 | wereHamster | lol.. I copied the code from someone else and I didn't see the :StartMoving() :-P |
| 18:48.51 | Kirov | aye |
| 18:48.56 | Eraphine|Lab | Mine normally runs at... 25 megs |
| 18:49.09 | Eraphine|Lab | and that's with running ctra and ct_rt, which are the two largest addons |
| 18:49.18 | Celandro | I run lootlink, gatherer, damagemeters, healmonitor, combatmonitor and easily hit 100megs |
| 18:49.28 | Kirov | raidtracker gets pretty big |
| 18:49.46 | wereHamster | ll but it still doesn't explain why this frame is movable: http://wow.pastebin.com/667758 |
| 18:49.48 | Celandro | knowing that Kalendris in DMN was doing 75% shadow damage? priceless :) |
| 18:50.28 | Iriel | wereHamster : What's in: coolDown:onLoad() |
| 18:50.38 | Iriel | Oh, actually that one has a title region |
| 18:50.49 | Iriel | WoW MAY automatically handle moving for the title region |
| 18:51.01 | Iriel | We have no way of setting that from lua that I know of |
| 18:51.03 | wereHamster | this:Hide() and set backdrop color |
| 18:51.20 | Kirov | what is TitleRegion? |
| 18:51.31 | wereHamster | will :SetAllPoints() help? |
| 18:51.32 | Tain | Why does John Dvorak still get paid to write a column? Gah. |
| 18:51.56 | Iriel | I think the title region is an area of the frame that wow will provide some 'window management' services with |
| 18:52.04 | Iriel | Quite possibly moving falls into that category |
| 18:52.16 | Iriel | I haven't worked with TitleRegions at all though |
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| 18:52.30 | Iriel | but that window's set up to have its entire frame a title region |
| 18:52.43 | Eraphine|Lab | dvorak |
| 18:52.49 | Eraphine|Lab | wasn't that a keyboard layout? |
| 18:53.01 | Kirov | It's used by the Tutorial frame and the floating chat frame in WoW. |
| 18:53.03 | Iriel | so My earlier emphatic NO may well be a "No unless you have a title region defined, in which case within that, yes" |
| 18:53.27 | wereHamster | I'll stick with the :StartMoving() for now :) |
| 18:53.29 | wereHamster | thanks |
| 18:53.32 | Josh_Borke | Eraphine|Lab: it still is ;-) and i'm using it :-) |
| 18:54.43 | Kirov | qwerty was designed to prevent people from being able to type too quickly to alieviate typewriter jams. dvorak was designed to allow typing as quickly as possible. |
| 18:55.01 | Wobin_ | JB: I've always considered trying to learn how to touchtype dvorak |
| 18:55.09 | Wobin_ | But I've never summoned up the will to get it done =) |
| 18:55.21 | Iriel | There's actually some interesting reading on the whole dvorak/qwerty thing |
| 18:55.30 | Eraphine|Lab | hrm... |
| 18:55.36 | Eraphine|Lab | I should learn how to type dvorak. |
| 18:55.37 | Wobin_ | Any links off the top of your head, Iriel ? |
| 18:55.38 | Iriel | In part many of those 'claims' are disputed |
| 18:55.38 | Eraphine|Lab | if that is true... |
| 18:55.58 | Iriel | Not offhand, and I have to run off to a meeting |
| 18:56.04 | Wobin_ | k have fun! |
| 18:56.19 | Iriel | the short answer is there were many keyboard formats around when qwerty became the most popular, and it did so by being the most effective |
| 18:56.23 | Eraphine|Lab | hrm.. dvorak has left-handed and right-handed single hand layouts |
| 18:56.37 | Iriel | There have been very few (if any) GOOD experiments in which Dvorak came out better |
| 18:56.38 | ckknight | the Dvorak keyboard is a big scam |
| 18:56.38 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 18:56.49 | Wobin_ | like Betamax and VHS? =) |
| 18:56.58 | Iriel | it's really a wash, if you learn to type properly on any keyboard style you'll do well |
| 18:56.58 | Eraphine|Lab | betamax WAS better though |
| 18:57.00 | Iriel | pretty much |
| 18:57.02 | ckknight | qwerty wins cause the letters you use are far apart from each other |
| 18:57.11 | ckknight | this gives it a major edge compared to dvorak |
| 18:57.15 | Wobin_ | so you don't get cramps? |
| 18:57.15 | Iriel | it was things like "Qwerty with no training versus Dvorak with intensive training" |
| 18:57.24 | Wobin_ | Ah, skewed testing |
| 18:57.33 | Iriel | Anyway, i'm sure google can find something |
| 18:57.35 | Iriel | back later |
| 18:57.37 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 18:58.30 | Eraphine|Lab | one thing... I don't think I'd be able to seamlessly move from one format to another. |
| 18:58.40 | Eraphine|Lab | I'm looking at the layout now and it's driving me bonkers |
| 18:58.46 | Wobin_ | yeah, it'd take a pretty severe mental shift |
| 18:59.01 | Eraphine|Lab | type the word "the" would be faster.. I guess. |
| 18:59.03 | Wobin_ | kind of like if you were typing in another language |
| 18:59.19 | Eraphine|Lab | since when you type "h" your right hand has to move off the j |
| 18:59.34 | Eraphine|Lab | whereas in dvorak, t and h are right next to each other. |
| 18:59.43 | krka | hmm... wait a second |
| 18:59.51 | krka | if i do function g() return f() end |
| 18:59.52 | Wobin_ | I'm thinking if I get serious about training dvorak, it -will- make my typing better, since my current speed isn't that great, even if I -am- touchtyping |
| 19:00.01 | krka | and f has two return values, how many will f return? |
| 19:00.13 | Wobin_ | g? |
| 19:00.15 | krka | do i have to do local a, b = f() return a,b? |
| 19:00.32 | krka | tailcall, if it has any significant |
| 19:00.32 | Wobin_ | it should return 2 |
| 19:00.36 | MentalPower | I think f will return the first one |
| 19:00.37 | krka | significance |
| 19:02.03 | krka | > function f() return 1, 2 end |
| 19:02.04 | krka | > function g() return f() end |
| 19:02.04 | krka | > local a, b = g() |
| 19:02.04 | krka | > print(a) |
| 19:02.04 | krka | nil |
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| 19:02.05 | krka | > print(b) |
| 19:02.06 | krka | nil |
| 19:02.08 | krka | > |
| 19:02.11 | krka | what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:02.11 | Wobin_ | er |
| 19:02.25 | Wobin_ | <krka> > function f() return 1, 2 end |
| 19:02.28 | Wobin_ | gah |
| 19:02.40 | Wobin_ | > function f() return 1,2 end |
| 19:02.40 | Wobin_ | > print(f()) |
| 19:02.40 | Wobin_ | 1 2 |
| 19:02.40 | Wobin_ | > function g() return f() end |
| 19:02.40 | Wobin_ | > print(g()) |
| 19:02.40 | krka | oh right... the local, nvm |
| 19:02.40 | Wobin_ | 1 2 |
| 19:02.42 | Wobin_ | > |
| 19:02.58 | krka | ah, works as intended |
| 19:03.01 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 19:03.01 | krka | nice |
| 19:04.25 | Eraphine|Lab | anyway know, for x-chat, if I want a script to automatically ghost a nickname, assume it, and then identify, do I need to add delays in the script file? |
| 19:04.42 | Eraphine|Lab | Or.. is that even possible |
| 19:06.23 | Josh_Borke | sorry, back |
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| 19:06.48 | Josh_Borke | yea, i use dvorak and can switch between dvorak and qwerty pretty easily |
| 19:06.56 | Eraphine|Lab | what is your profession? |
| 19:07.18 | Josh_Borke | student, while co-oping as a sys-admin |
| 19:07.34 | Josh_Borke | and i also use a happy hacker keyboard while at work :D |
| 19:07.44 | Eraphine|Lab | do you type faster dvorak or qwerty and what is your relative experience with either ? |
| 19:08.05 | Josh_Borke | i'd say since my switch to dvorak, my over-all keyboard rate has decreased a little bit |
| 19:08.10 | Josh_Borke | but overall, i am proficient in both |
| 19:08.19 | Eraphine|Lab | and what was your reason for switching? |
| 19:08.22 | Wobin_ | why would you switch? |
| 19:08.22 | Josh_Borke | ie, neither is faster than the other |
| 19:08.28 | Wobin_ | (FROST SHOCK!) |
| 19:08.32 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 19:08.36 | Eraphine|Lab | if neither is faster than the other why switch? |
| 19:08.50 | Eraphine|Lab | and of course - how fast do you type ? |
| 19:08.52 | Wobin_ | You've not seen the WoW Switcher ad, JB? =) |
| 19:08.52 | Kirov | happy hacker keyboards are nice |
| 19:08.58 | Kirov | they just feel so nice |
| 19:09.05 | Tain | For fun? Versatility? Idle coffee table chatter? |
| 19:09.12 | Josh_Borke | k, the reason i started using dvorak is because i wanted a way to help me correct my posture to prevent any long term affects from typing all the time |
| 19:09.17 | Tain | To pick up chicks? |
| 19:09.27 | Tain | "Hey baby, check out my Dvorak stroke." |
| 19:09.28 | Josh_Borke | the reason neither is faster is because i can't stay in dvorak mode all the time, due to switching between them far too often |
| 19:09.45 | Josh_Borke | and i'd say i type about 60-70 wpm if i continously type |
| 19:10.02 | Josh_Borke | where-as i used to type 70-80 wpm when i just used qwerty |
| 19:10.24 | Josh_Borke | i used qwerty for about 5 years before learning dvorak, which i've known for 3 years at least |
| 19:11.01 | Josh_Borke | my conversion time was about a week to get by, then a month to become proficient, with the order of 6 months to be able to switch easily. if i can remember correctly |
| 19:11.37 | Eraphine|Lab | do gamers uses happy hacker keyboards? |
| 19:11.39 | Josh_Borke | the next thing i want to try is a vertical keyboard, but they cost too much :-( |
| 19:11.51 | Josh_Borke | i could because i never use the numpad |
| 19:12.00 | Eraphine|Lab | well I don't either. |
| 19:12.16 | Josh_Borke | you get used to the fn+1 etc to do the function keys |
| 19:12.19 | Josh_Borke | but i don't use those either :D |
| 19:12.38 | Eraphine|Lab | have itemsets bound to f5-f12 |
| 19:12.46 | Kirov | Josh - they used to make those foldable keyboards |
| 19:12.49 | Josh_Borke | ah, that's a pretty good idea |
| 19:12.52 | krka | no garbage tokenization FTW |
| 19:12.56 | Kirov | I know a few people who still swear by them. |
| 19:13.14 | Eraphine|Lab | and.. why do happy hacker keyboards cost $120 ? |
| 19:13.19 | Kirov | Eraphine - because they're REALLY nice |
| 19:13.21 | Tain | Mechanical spring keyboards are the one true keyboard. |
| 19:13.22 | Josh_Borke | Eraphine|Lab: yea :-( that's why i don't have a personal one :-( |
| 19:13.33 | Eraphine|Lab | or, in the case of the profession version, $260 |
| 19:13.39 | Eraphine|Lab | are they pneumatic? |
| 19:13.45 | Kirov | The buttons are individually weighted |
| 19:13.47 | Josh_Borke | i love the lite 2 version |
| 19:13.57 | Eraphine|Lab | line, piano keys? |
| 19:13.58 | Kirov | I want to get a lite2 for work |
| 19:14.04 | Josh_Borke | gotta have my arrow keys |
| 19:14.05 | Eraphine|Lab | err like ? |
| 19:14.23 | krka | i use a $5 keyboard :P |
| 19:14.25 | krka | works fine |
| 19:14.37 | Tain | This baby is my favorite, if it weren't for the use I get out of the G15 for gaming. http://www.pckeyboard.com/customizer.html |
| 19:15.02 | wereHamster | Does MoveAnything attach the frame to each other when I stick one frame to another or does it just set a new position? |
| 19:15.06 | Codayus | IBM buckling spirng keyboards > all |
| 19:15.49 | Josh_Borke | http://www.safetype.com/ is the keyboard i want to try |
| 19:16.01 | Kirov | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-blk720x471.jpg - this is what a guy at work uses |
| 19:16.21 | Kirov | A little weird at first, but very comfortable after a minute or two |
| 19:16.42 | Kirov | it also costs more than the happy hacker keyboards. |
| 19:17.29 | krka | valid lua code: b=1.2c=3.4 |
| 19:17.33 | krka | invalid lua code: d=1.2e=3.4 |
| 19:17.36 | Kirov | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ |
| 19:18.17 | krka | numbers are harder to parse than i thought :( |
| 19:18.57 | Eraphine|Lab | the keyboard chair is an interesting idea |
| 19:19.06 | Josh_Borke | yea, i'm at about 70 wpm in dvorak |
| 19:19.17 | Josh_Borke | (i just did some rudimentary checks) |
| 19:21.04 | Kirov | I do bad at any test that checks my typing speed. |
| 19:21.21 | krka | if i stumble upon this (broken) code what should i do? |
| 19:21.24 | Josh_Borke | it's easier to type a stream of thought than to repeat a sequence of words |
| 19:21.28 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 19:21.30 | krka | a = 1.2e-- comment here |
| 19:21.41 | Josh_Borke | krka: flag it red? |
| 19:21.45 | krka | hmm... no wait |
| 19:21.47 | krka | that may be valid |
| 19:21.48 | krka | ARGH |
| 19:21.53 | krka | no wait, not it may not |
| 19:22.03 | Kirov | not a chance |
| 19:22.24 | krka | i'll just let "1.2e" be a TOKEN_NUMBER |
| 19:22.42 | Josh_Borke | oh, are you supporting scientific numbers? |
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| 19:24.01 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:24.05 | krka | well, lua is |
| 19:24.07 | krka | then so must i |
| 19:24.14 | Kirov | 1.2e^2! |
| 19:24.22 | krka | that's not the syntax! |
| 19:24.40 | krka | <intpart>.<fractionpart>e[-]<intpart> |
| 19:24.41 | krka | kinda |
| 19:27.13 | krka | this parser is actually kinda not extremely bad looking |
| 19:27.16 | krka | if i may say so |
| 19:27.21 | krka | which i probably may not |
| 19:30.03 | Josh_Borke | ~no krka |
| 19:30.12 | Josh_Borke | ~help |
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| 19:30.58 | Josh_Borke | ~cpustats |
| 19:30.58 | purl | Total CPU usage: 24526.3 s ... Total used: 4.6 % (parent/child ratio: 100.0 %) |
| 19:31.12 | wereHamster | Tain, I've heard you played with a 'frame snapping' code .. to snap two frames together when the user moves them near enough of each other.. is that correct? |
| 19:32.06 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: cladhaire also worked on something called sticky frames |
| 19:32.49 | Wobin_ | JB: that's exactly what I said =) |
| 19:33.22 | ckknight | lol, the new and updated part has all but 3 which are FuBar-related |
| 19:34.09 | Josh_Borke | s/cladhaire/as wobin_ said, cladhaire/ |
| 19:34.14 | Josh_Borke | :-) |
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| 19:34.27 | Wobin_ | heh |
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| 19:36.22 | wereHamster | Wobin_, links? |
| 19:36.58 | Wobin_ | I can't recall offhand =) |
| 19:37.01 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4674 |
| 19:37.06 | Wobin_ | Have a look at the... there we go =) |
| 19:37.18 | Wobin_ | Watchdog uses it, I believe |
| 19:37.27 | Josh_Borke | but remember, don't ask any blizzard GMs about it |
| 19:37.47 | Josh_Borke | from the description: "this is just a hacked proof of concept". anything that includes 'hack' CANNOT be good :-) |
| 19:37.59 | Elkano | ck, just found the ace svn :) now I'll try to keep up2date with you via svn :) |
| 19:40.54 | AnduinLothar | servers up yet? |
| 19:41.57 | Wobin_ | yeo |
| 19:42.44 | Elkano | page sais yes |
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| 19:45.41 | ckknight | Elkano, I had svn before |
| 19:45.46 | ckknight | it was just a personal svn |
| 19:46.09 | ckknight | now, since I figured out a way not to use hooks, I can easily use ace's svn |
| 19:53.39 | Wobin_ | heh |
| 19:53.43 | Wobin_ | new switcher video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ZwXcyaIfQ&search=wow%20switcher |
| 19:55.05 | Wobin_ | er |
| 19:55.12 | Wobin_ | second switcer video, not new =P |
| 19:55.18 | krka | parsing of numbers complete! |
| 19:55.20 | krka | yay me |
| 19:55.44 | AnduinLothar | what're u writing anyway krka? |
| 19:56.18 | krka | a tokenizer for lua |
| 19:56.27 | AnduinLothar | for.. |
| 19:56.32 | krka | endgoal is the same as the indenter i've already written |
| 19:56.33 | krka | but better |
| 19:56.41 | krka | for ingame lua editing |
| 19:56.50 | krka | syntax highlighting and indentation |
| 19:57.10 | AnduinLothar | mmk |
| 19:59.09 | krka | you seem extremely excited ;) |
| 19:59.29 | AnduinLothar | i got distracted rewriting my xml parser yesterday and never got to my sky changes |
| 19:59.53 | AnduinLothar | tho i now have my entire mp3 library availible in-game |
| 19:59.57 | krka | this is my current distraction :) |
| 20:00.00 | krka | that's cool! |
| 20:00.49 | AnduinLothar | i need to updgrade the gui tho and add a scrollable/sortable track display |
| 20:01.04 | AnduinLothar | maybe playlists |
| 20:01.32 | AnduinLothar | got shuffle working tho, which is what i normally use, and a ticker for the current track info |
| 20:02.30 | AnduinLothar | but i've now discovered wow runs at playable speeds when i turn off the ui... |
| 20:02.47 | krka | you can do that kind of stuff from inside wow? |
| 20:02.49 | krka | i never had a clue |
| 20:03.13 | AnduinLothar | you can play music very rudimentarily |
| 20:03.19 | AnduinLothar | play, stop |
| 20:03.43 | AnduinLothar | auto-mixes the first and last 5 seconds of the tracks |
| 20:03.52 | krka | we can't choose what to play? |
| 20:03.58 | AnduinLothar | sure you can |
| 20:04.10 | kremonte | is PLAYER_ENTERING/LEAVING_WORLD an event that's not req'd to register |
| 20:04.12 | kremonte | ? |
| 20:04.12 | AnduinLothar | just no itteration to like fast fwd |
| 20:04.21 | krka | i see |
| 20:04.21 | kremonte | (is it called no matter what, i mean :Q) |
| 20:04.46 | krka | so we have: list tracks, play track of choosing, stop current track? |
| 20:05.07 | AnduinLothar | list tracks isn't a wow feature |
| 20:05.26 | AnduinLothar | the PlayMusic function accepts file paths |
| 20:05.50 | krka | ah i see |
| 20:05.59 | Josh_Borke | hrm |
| 20:06.00 | AnduinLothar | so I have 4000 symlinks in a folder in my addon folder |
| 20:06.06 | krka | so you need to set it up before launching wow |
| 20:06.21 | AnduinLothar | actually the files don't need to be there |
| 20:06.38 | AnduinLothar | but I have it auto-gen a lua file of the related track info |
| 20:06.54 | AnduinLothar | so you have to reloadui to update the track info if you change the tracks |
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| 20:08.46 | krka | makes sense |
| 20:08.53 | kremonte | i want to mail akz and have them make the hex colour for artifacts correct |
| 20:09.14 | kremonte | "wtf r u talking about, theyre red.. allakhazam has them as red, i trust that more than u noob" |
| 20:11.43 | AnduinLothar | but i haven't figured out yet how to make shortcuts for windows, so the windows equivelent copies the files instead |
| 20:12.18 | AnduinLothar | i'm thinking of just linking all the related hard drives and following the full paths, but I haven't messed with that yet. it might be cleaner and easier |
| 20:14.11 | AnduinLothar | and the unfortunet part is that the majority of my music in .m4a (acc) format and can't be read by wow |
| 20:14.20 | krka | short comments working |
| 20:14.20 | krka | soon long comments |
| 20:14.34 | krka | then strings will be the only non-trivial thing remaining! |
| 20:14.40 | AnduinLothar | [[ ]] |
| 20:14.57 | AnduinLothar | figured out those don't allow character escaping |
| 20:15.01 | krka | yeah |
| 20:15.27 | AnduinLothar | so i use "\n" instead |
| 20:15.44 | Maldivia | krka: and why aren't strings trivial ? |
| 20:16.31 | Wobin_ | no he's saying they're non-trivial |
| 20:16.46 | Maldivia | yeah, and I'm asking why they aren't trivial |
| 20:17.09 | Wobin_ | cause they need to be dealt with in his addon? |
| 20:17.20 | Wobin_ | they're not cosmetic, I guess |
| 20:17.28 | Wobin_ | may be a better description? |
| 20:17.29 | krka | well, i need to handle all the different types of strings in lua |
| 20:17.37 | krka | and escaping and stuff |
| 20:17.37 | Maldivia | there are ony 3 types |
| 20:17.44 | krka | type 1: 'lalalala' |
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| 20:17.48 | krka | type 2: "lalalala" |
| 20:17.56 | krka | type 3: [[12312313]] |
| 20:17.57 | krka | correct? |
| 20:18.00 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 20:18.23 | Maldivia | you dont have to worry about escapeing really :) |
| 20:18.25 | Wobin_ | %b[] =) |
| 20:18.29 | krka | just saying it's non-trivial compared to parsing identifiers or operators |
| 20:18.34 | krka | yes i do |
| 20:18.41 | krka | "asdasdads\"asdasdasd" |
| 20:18.49 | Maldivia | even number if backslashes before " = end of string |
| 20:18.52 | krka | need to notice the escaped " |
| 20:18.55 | Maldivia | odd number = not end of string |
| 20:18.55 | krka | yes i know |
| 20:18.59 | krka | yup |
| 20:19.08 | krka | that's how i currently did it |
| 20:19.13 | Wobin_ | gsub(text, "%b[]", gsub(%1, "%b[]")) |
| 20:19.23 | Maldivia | and ofcourse same with ' ' |
| 20:19.43 | krka | yup |
| 20:19.53 | krka | comments work now |
| 20:19.56 | krka | both short and long |
| 20:20.00 | krka | <-- rox0rz |
| 20:20.14 | AnduinLothar | heh, finally fixed a telltrack bug from the stone age |
| 20:20.16 | Maldivia | ok, another thing to remember with with strings, is escaping end of line |
| 20:20.21 | krka | yeah |
| 20:20.28 | krka | 'asdasdad\<newlineasdasad' |
| 20:20.40 | Maldivia | 'hehehe\ |
| 20:20.41 | Maldivia | hehe' |
| 20:21.04 | AnduinLothar | that's not legal lua syntax |
| 20:21.09 | Maldivia | yes it is |
| 20:21.16 | AnduinLothar | my bad |
| 20:21.25 | AnduinLothar | i'm gonan go back to sleep |
| 20:21.29 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:21.46 | krka | think i covered everything now |
| 20:21.53 | krka | but i will probably be proven wrong somehow |
| 20:25.11 | zenzelezz | people always find a way to "break" your stuff |
| 20:25.53 | krka | hmm |
| 20:25.56 | krka | how about this string |
| 20:26.03 | krka | 'this is my\\ |
| 20:26.05 | krka | string' |
| 20:26.06 | zenzelezz | I remember when I was bored once and decided to browse the compiler warning/error messages for the VC++ compiler... not those must have been a pain to code. "More than 16000 errors in file, stopping." |
| 20:26.15 | zenzelezz | *now |
| 20:26.17 | krka | the "even backslashes" applies there to, i presume? |
| 20:26.18 | Maldivia | krka: invalid :) |
| 20:26.22 | krka | cool |
| 20:26.38 | krka | my parser will allow more stuff than lua itself |
| 20:26.43 | krka | for obvious reasons |
| 20:26.47 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:27.10 | krka | hmm... i don't really have to worry about newlines |
| 20:27.22 | krka | all i need to worry about is " to end it |
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| 20:27.57 | krka | wanna see my nextString function? |
| 20:28.06 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/667955 |
| 20:28.33 | krka | oops... one bug in there, see if you can find it :) |
| 20:28.46 | Kirov | string.byte |
| 20:28.51 | krka | nope |
| 20:28.58 | krka | i have local stringbyte = string.byte at the top of my file |
| 20:29.05 | Kirov | o |
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| 20:29.50 | krka | more of a logic-error |
| 20:30.14 | ckknight | what'd be a better name for AceHeal, that doesn't include the word "Ace"? |
| 20:30.26 | krka | ok i'll tell you |
| 20:30.37 | krka | it'll fail for this string: "\"" |
| 20:30.49 | Maldivia | ckknight: FaceHeal... as opposed to FaceMelt ? :) |
| 20:31.26 | Kirov | LeahEca |
| 20:31.40 | Maldivia | krka: yeah, you need a even = true, after if even then ... end |
| 20:32.32 | Kirov | There's a priest in my guild named Yugami ... |
| 20:32.51 | Kirov | (goes with the LeahEca theme) |
| 20:33.31 | Maldivia | Kirov: thanks for the hint... |
| 20:33.47 | krka | strings are working |
| 20:33.52 | krka | ok, so strings were pretty trival too |
| 20:33.56 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:34.00 | krka | numbers was the biggest pain |
| 20:34.03 | Maldivia | krka: told you :) |
| 20:34.13 | krka | actually.. not fully done with numbers |
| 20:34.22 | Maldivia | scientific numbers? |
| 20:34.40 | krka | all numbers |
| 20:34.43 | krka | including scientic |
| 20:34.56 | krka | the only thing i can't parse, afaik, is ".123" |
| 20:34.58 | Maldivia | hmm... 1.#INF ? |
| 20:34.59 | krka | and similar |
| 20:35.06 | krka | that's a number? |
| 20:35.17 | krka | invalid lua |
| 20:35.19 | krka | you fail it |
| 20:35.46 | Maldivia | well, that's the string representation of infinity, can't remeber how to actually write it :) |
| 20:35.51 | cmunn | Cide: Any reason in CT_RaidAssist.lua:868 you use "([^%s]+)" to match numItems instead of "(%d+)"? |
| 20:36.33 | Maldivia | krka: try a /dump 1/0 |
| 20:36.54 | Maldivia | or =1/0 if you have the lua console |
| 20:37.41 | Eraphine|Lab | the five boxing wizards jump quickly |
| 20:38.11 | Iriel|working | 1/0 is INF, -1/0 is -INF |
| 20:38.35 | krka | works now |
| 20:38.39 | krka | i pwn |
| 20:38.47 | krka | ok, all tricky stuff done |
| 20:38.50 | krka | (yay!) |
| 20:39.46 | krka | anyone want to see my awful code? :) |
| 20:49.14 | krka | what is ^ called? |
| 20:49.20 | krka | circumflex? |
| 20:50.04 | zenzelezz | Wikipedia thinks so |
| 20:51.14 | krka | cool |
| 20:52.22 | Maldivia | well, circumflex is a common word for marks you put over letters, such as ^ ~ " ' ` |
| 20:52.37 | cladhaire | Its also called a Caret |
| 20:52.52 | cladhaire | I had this argument with my bf the other night =) He's a language nazi and he didn't believe me. |
| 20:53.08 | Maldivia | no no, it's a hat |
| 20:53.34 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic -- but I assume it depends on the context |
| 20:54.06 | cladhaire | Common: hat; control; uparrow; caret; ITU-T: circumflex. |
| 20:54.06 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.06 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.09 | cladhaire | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=caret |
| 20:56.34 | Iriel | ^ on its own is a Caret |
| 20:56.37 | Tain | Chevron! That's the one I was trying to think of. |
| 20:56.47 | Josh_Borke | with techron? |
| 20:56.48 | Maldivia | chevron... hmm, chevron 5 encoded... chevron 6 encoded... chevron 7... locked :) |
| 20:57.17 | krka | interesting |
| 20:57.20 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.32 | ckknight | yep |
| 20:57.35 | krka | not nearly enough :) |
| 20:57.42 | Kirov | chevron is either V or ^ |
| 20:58.25 | Kirov | It's any V shape , or a double down V |
| 20:58.39 | Iriel | In any direction, also |
| 20:58.54 | Kirov | >> << |
| 20:59.11 | Maldivia | »« |
| 20:59.13 | Kirov | ^^vv<><>abstart |
| 20:59.28 | Kirov | ? |
| 21:00.12 | Cide | cmunn: back, sorry |
| 21:00.34 | Maldivia | ^ is called circumflex accent, according to unicode standard |
| 21:00.34 | Cide | cmunn: there was a bug in earlier versions where numItems could return a division with zero |
| 21:00.47 | Cide | which would return 1.#INF |
| 21:01.04 | Iriel | Maldivia : As an accent, yes, that's the terminology I've seen also. |
| 21:01.13 | krka | grr... how annoying :) |
| 21:02.05 | krka | how do i work around this+ |
| 21:02.59 | krka | could put my constants in a table i guess |
| 21:03.11 | krka | or replace with integer constants |
| 21:03.18 | krka | but that'd break fast |
| 21:04.16 | Josh_Borke | bye all :-) |
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| 21:07.31 | Iriel | Or you could make them function-local |
| 21:07.33 | Iriel | but that'd be paintful |
| 21:07.37 | Iriel | painful, sorry |
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| 21:08.59 | Iriel | You could machine generate your code and compile it with loadstring ? |
| 21:09.20 | krka | i solved it by putting my constants in local tables |
| 21:09.44 | krka | could make a compiler script later, that inlines constants |
| 21:09.57 | krka | unless any of you want to do it? :) |
| 21:10.29 | krka | yay, it's working |
| 21:10.48 | krka | gonna show off this monster now |
| 21:10.58 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/668036 |
| 21:11.11 | krka | criticism is most welcome |
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| 21:12.20 | Iriel | Aaaargh.. my eyes! |
| 21:12.25 | Iriel | (just kidding) |
| 21:12.45 | krka | you forgot: the goggles, they do nothing! |
| 21:13.37 | Iriel | Any reason why you separate whitespace and linebreaks? |
| 21:13.56 | Iriel | Since I believe the lua spec only treats \n as special |
| 21:14.55 | krka | yes, whitespace is stuff i want to modify when i indent |
| 21:15.00 | krka | linebreaks i want to keep |
| 21:15.08 | krka | and i need to know _when_ hit a linebreak |
| 21:15.22 | krka | no string creation in the tokenizer ^_^ |
| 21:15.24 | Iriel | Do you run into naked \r's inside wow? |
| 21:16.01 | krka | not sure |
| 21:16.04 | krka | better be on the safe side |
| 21:16.12 | cmunn | There's a lot of stuff under this hood. |
| 21:16.29 | krka | this isn't strictly for wow, trying to make it semi-generic atleast |
| 21:17.12 | cmunn | I got a working CT_RaidAssist mod that provides full functionality for parties, but now I'm going back line by line and doing it over so that it's cleaner and less hacked |
| 21:22.17 | krka | my code is either perfect or unreadable... either way i win! |
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| 21:23.41 | krka | hey Legorol^ |
| 21:27.25 | krka | is string.format always better than .. btw? |
| 21:27.35 | krka | or always worse? |
| 21:27.40 | krka | or depending on number of parameters? |
| 21:27.42 | Iriel | it varies |
| 21:29.22 | krka | on what? :) |
| 21:29.29 | krka | mostly i am interested in garbage creationb tw |
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| 21:30.12 | Iriel | Alright, so, here's the deal |
| 21:30.23 | Iriel | If you're concatenating things that are ALREADY STRINGS |
| 21:30.27 | Iriel | then .. is really efficient |
| 21:30.59 | Iriel | If any of your elements are not strings, then they get converted to strings as part of the pass |
| 21:31.00 | krka | is .. binary or N:ary? |
| 21:31.10 | Iriel | .. is still efficient, but you may generate garbage |
| 21:31.13 | Iriel | CONCAT is N:ary |
| 21:31.15 | Iriel | .. is binary |
| 21:31.23 | krka | i.e. is a .. b .. c the same as (a ... b) .. c? |
| 21:31.27 | Iriel | Again, the compiler does the optimization |
| 21:31.27 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:31.34 | krka | ok |
| 21:31.38 | Iriel | But it's not the same as |
| 21:31.41 | Iriel | local x = a .. b |
| 21:31.43 | Iriel | x .. c |
| 21:31.45 | Cairenn | hullo again all |
| 21:31.57 | krka | and CONCAT? |
| 21:32.00 | krka | what .. compiles to? |
| 21:32.13 | Iriel | CONCAT is the internal opcode to concatenate a bunch of strings on the stack into a single string |
| 21:32.18 | krka | i'll go with .. then, thanks! |
| 21:32.29 | Iriel | Now, let's talk about string.format for a moment |
| 21:32.41 | Iriel | string.format uses an internal buffer to write into |
| 21:32.55 | Iriel | if your result string is less than about 8k then you wont generate garbage |
| 21:33.00 | Iriel | but it'll run slower than a plain CONCAT |
| 21:33.21 | Iriel | If you have a bunch of numeric values then string.format is likely better |
| 21:33.30 | krka | i only have strings |
| 21:33.34 | Iriel | Then use .. |
| 21:33.35 | krka | concat it is then |
| 21:33.37 | Iriel | it's cool |
| 21:33.46 | Iriel | I was pleasantly surprised |
| 21:33.48 | krka | man, this code is way cleaner than my previous |
| 21:34.01 | Iriel | One final note |
| 21:34.15 | Iriel | table.rep uses the string.format style buffer |
| 21:34.43 | Maldivia | table.rep ? |
| 21:34.51 | krka | string.rep? |
| 21:35.20 | krka | and i do use string.rep.. hm |
| 21:35.28 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.13 | Iriel | I meant table.concat, not string.rep |
| 21:36.15 | Iriel | sorry 8-) |
| 21:36.25 | Iriel | I think string.rep is string.format-style also |
| 21:36.35 | Iriel | As long as your result is < 8K then you wont generate garbage |
| 21:38.11 | krka | that is unlikely |
| 21:38.13 | krka | possible, but unlikely |
| 21:41.29 | Iriel | over 8k, then you allocate 8k working string chunks before the final result is assembled |
| 21:47.51 | krka | anyone want to test my code? |
| 21:47.51 | krka | it can indent now :) |
| 21:47.59 | krka | preferable test really weird lua codce |
| 21:48.02 | krka | see if it chokes |
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| 21:51.28 | krka | guess not :/ |
| 21:51.35 | Kirov | I can test |
| 21:52.44 | krka | cool :) |
| 21:52.52 | krka | hmm... not sure how to test it though |
| 21:52.56 | Kirov | yeah |
| 21:53.02 | Kirov | that's what I was about to ask, hehe |
| 21:53.04 | krka | :) |
| 21:53.16 | krka | ok, let me write some code for actual usage :) |
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| 21:55.52 | krka | here's my suggestion: function indentCode(code, tabWidth, colorTable, stopColor) |
| 21:56.11 | krka | you just need to provide some code in text form and tabWidth |
| 21:56.20 | krka | colorTable and stopColor are optional |
| 21:56.35 | krka | if you want to use them, stopColor should be "|r" in wow |
| 21:56.58 | krka | and colorTable["and"] = "|c00RRGGBB" will set color for the and-keyword |
| 21:57.50 | krka | you can also use it for types of tokens |
| 21:58.01 | Iriel | why not make stopColor a 'stop' entry in colorTable ? |
| 21:58.12 | krka | like colorTable[indenterTokens.TOKEN_COMMENT_LONG] will color all long comments |
| 21:58.17 | Iriel | it seems silly to keep them different |
| 21:58.25 | krka | what if someone wants to color the word "stop"? |
| 21:58.46 | Iriel | pick something unlikely then! |
| 21:58.51 | krka | could use colorTable[0] for that i suppose |
| 21:59.04 | krka | that's for unknown tokens anyway |
| 22:02.06 | ckknight | does anyone know the function that reloads the graphics? |
| 22:02.47 | krka | ok... here goes nothing! |
| 22:02.57 | Iriel | GxRestart() ? |
| 22:02.58 | Iriel | Or something |
| 22:03.21 | Iriel | It's /script RestartGx() |
| 22:03.54 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/newindent.lua |
| 22:03.58 | krka | there you go |
| 22:06.11 | krka | wow, i finished this much sooner than i would have guessed |
| 22:06.37 | krka | hmm... one small thing remaining, keeping track of caret |
| 22:14.49 | krka | hm... i should be able to mod TinyPad or LuaSlinger for this new test if anyone wants |
| 22:15.06 | Kirov | I'm modding tinypad |
| 22:15.10 | Kirov | just setting up colors |
| 22:15.27 | krka | ah |
| 22:15.42 | krka | because i've kinda done a thingy now that tries to preserve caret position |
| 22:15.55 | krka | function indentEditbox(editbox, tabWidth, colorTable) |
| 22:16.18 | krka | all you need to do is run that, i think |
| 22:16.28 | krka | redownload it :) |
| 22:17.24 | krka | maybe i should give my brother some money so he can pay for his account so i can test stuff |
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| 22:26.02 | krka | cool... this worked, i can pinpoint quite precisely where the new caret position should be |
| 22:28.16 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:28.16 | krka | hmm.. monologue |
| 22:28.20 | krka | maybe i am going insane |
| 22:28.24 | krka | not working? |
| 22:28.38 | Kirov | caretposition |
| 22:28.41 | krka | yeah, i know |
| 22:28.45 | Kirov | nil, causes error |
| 22:28.53 | krka | hm |
| 22:29.01 | krka | which line? |
| 22:29.07 | Kirov | 741 |
| 22:29.17 | Kirov | er |
| 22:29.18 | krka | i dont even have that many lines :/ |
| 22:29.20 | Kirov | if not newCaretPosition and nextPos > caretPosition then |
| 22:29.25 | krka | ah |
| 22:29.28 | cmunn | Cide: In CT_RaidAssist.lua:4256[CT_RA_IsSendingWithVersion(version)], you have "name < playerName" in the if statement as well as "name ~= playerName" |
| 22:29.29 | krka | i have a new version |
| 22:29.32 | cmunn | Is there a reason they are both there? |
| 22:29.34 | krka | wait a sec :) |
| 22:29.37 | Kirov | it's copy / pasted after tinypad, so |
| 22:30.01 | krka | download again |
| 22:30.17 | krka | and use indentEditbox |
| 22:30.39 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 22:30.44 | Kirov | ah |
| 22:31.27 | krka | the whole caret-calculation thingy is not very accurate atm |
| 22:31.34 | Cide | cmunn: not that I can think of... could be to prevent nil comparisons |
| 22:31.35 | krka | haven't thought it through properly |
| 22:31.55 | Cide | nil < "hi" -- returns "attempt to compare nil with string" |
| 22:32.13 | Cide | whereas nil ~= "hi" obviously returns true |
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| 22:33.58 | Kirov | krka - one minor thing |
| 22:34.03 | krka | i think i can make the caret positioning work perfectly but it will have to wait till tomorrow :) |
| 22:34.08 | krka | sure |
| 22:34.13 | Kirov | convert \t's to fake tabs |
| 22:34.33 | krka | there isn't supposed to be any \t in your code : |
| 22:34.41 | Kirov | copy / paste! |
| 22:34.47 | krka | they don't work in the editbox... ah i see |
| 22:34.49 | Kirov | second issue |
| 22:34.50 | krka | yeah, i can do that |
| 22:34.55 | krka | i even have a tabWidth parameter |
| 22:34.59 | Kirov | I can't not have anything in the box |
| 22:35.00 | krka | should be easy |
| 22:35.02 | Kirov | it adds an a |
| 22:35.06 | Kirov | third issue |
| 22:35.42 | Kirov | my carrot gets moved back 1 position till it's after the first character on every update |
| 22:36.09 | Kirov | appears to only be on each line |
| 22:36.14 | krka | yeah, that issue will have to be done more properly |
| 22:36.18 | Kirov | and returns it to the beginning of any tab |
| 22:36.39 | Kirov | oh, and \t appears to get converted to the fake tab |
| 22:36.40 | krka | what do you mean "it adds an a" |
| 22:36.56 | Kirov | If the editbox is empty, it inserts an a |
| 22:36.59 | krka | only if it's at the beginning |
| 22:37.01 | krka | ah |
| 22:37.03 | krka | works otherwise? |
| 22:38.48 | cmunn | So, what does name < playerName mean? Is it true if they're non-equal? or is it an actual comparison? |
| 22:39.01 | krka | it is a lexicographical comparison |
| 22:39.23 | cmunn | so "bc" > "ab" == true ? |
| 22:39.39 | krka | yes |
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| 22:44.01 | Kirov | I'm not seeing any coloring |
| 22:44.08 | Kirov | (sorry, talking to coworker) |
| 22:44.22 | AnduinLothar | it gonan work in luapad? |
| 22:44.26 | cmunn | Do you have the CT_RaidAssist Code on hand, Cide? I think on CT_RaidAssist.lua:4902 "40" should be "numMembers"? |
| 22:44.26 | krka | yes |
| 22:44.35 | AnduinLothar | kool kool |
| 22:44.37 | krka | how is your colorTable set up? |
| 22:44.51 | cmunn | Or is it purposely 40? |
| 22:45.24 | ckknight | anyone know if there's a way I can tell if a windowed screen has changed sizes? |
| 22:46.06 | Kirov | ckknight - not sure |
| 22:46.43 | Kirov | I don't think you can |
| 22:46.46 | Tain | Hey neat, 50" Panasonic Plasma TV, $3000 with free shipping. |
| 22:47.07 | Kirov | "only" $3000 |
| 22:47.10 | krka | fixed two of your problems now i think Kirov |
| 22:47.16 | Kirov | krka k |
| 22:47.20 | krka | the caret positioning will have to wait till tomorrow night |
| 22:47.25 | krka | no colors you say? |
| 22:47.34 | Kirov | krka - get my /msg? |
| 22:47.37 | krka | no |
| 22:47.40 | krka | are you identified? |
| 22:47.48 | Kirov | yes |
| 22:47.55 | krka | maybe it was me that wasn't |
| 22:47.57 | krka | didn't get anything |
| 22:48.04 | krka | try again |
| 22:48.05 | Kirov | was you |
| 22:48.06 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:48.17 | Tain | Wow 32" Viewsonic LCD for $1079, that's dirt cheap for an LCD. |
| 22:48.19 | Kirov | msg me? |
| 22:48.21 | Iriel | ckknight ; Can you actually RESIZE the window? |
| 22:48.29 | Iriel | ckknight : I though it just scaled and maintained aspect? |
| 22:49.06 | krka | you are not identified Kirov |
| 22:49.20 | Kirov | krka see any response? |
| 22:49.30 | krka | no, because you are not identified :P |
| 22:50.23 | Kirov | that work? |
| 22:51.14 | Cide | cmunn: sec |
| 22:52.19 | Cide | yeah, I dunno why I did that... that doesn't really make sense |
| 22:53.09 | cmunn | Cide: I'm not bothering you buy asking all these questions about your code, am I? |
| 22:53.24 | Cide | nah, it's fine |
| 22:54.27 | cmunn | Any chance you would consider assimilating my rewrite when it's done? I've got a full change log to accompany it. |
| 22:54.48 | cmunn | well, more of an update than a rewrite |
| 22:55.25 | Kirov | cmunn - ever tried to work on someone else's code? |
| 22:55.40 | Kirov | well, wait |
| 22:55.50 | cmunn | Yes, actually :-p |
| 22:55.51 | Kirov | duh, you just modded ct_raid |
| 22:56.56 | Cide | and if your changes include making ct_raidassist working in parties, then most likely not |
| 22:57.16 | Cide | optimizations, sure |
| 22:57.49 | cmunn | 90% optimization, 10% abstracting a few calls so that party support can be added by using another addon instead of replacing CT_RaidAssist |
| 22:58.21 | cmunn | and code readability |
| 22:58.28 | Cide | then maybe |
| 22:58.37 | Cide | depends on how much work it is |
| 22:59.13 | Kirov | Cide - select CT_Raidassist.toc, press delete |
| 22:59.16 | Kirov | HUGE speed increase |
| 22:59.19 | Cide | I'm sure :) |
| 22:59.27 | cmunn | Actually it won't affect anything |
| 22:59.32 | cmunn | Try CT_RaidAssist.toc |
| 22:59.44 | Cide | also depends on what nature of the optimizations :) |
| 23:00.04 | Cide | if it accomplishes the same thing better, sure |
| 23:00.05 | cmunn | Well, I'm off to a meeting, see you kiddies later |
| 23:01.40 | ckknight | Iriel, not quite |
| 23:01.43 | ckknight | fonts change |
| 23:05.42 | krka | good night people |
| 23:05.52 | AnduinLothar | night krka |
| 23:06.18 | krka | tomorrow (or possible the day after that) should be the day for a fully working indentation! |
| 23:06.28 | Cairenn | night krka :) |
| 23:07.01 | AnduinLothar | why look, it's a cair |
| 23:07.12 | Cairenn | it's been a cair for hours now |
| 23:08.26 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 23:10.30 | Cairenn | well it has! |
| 23:10.36 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 23:10.39 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 23:30.03 | Iriel | ckknight : Isn't that just scaling in action, or does it rebuild the font textures? |
| 23:31.59 | ckknight | it rebuilds |
| 23:32.16 | ckknight | I found a way, though |
| 23:32.20 | ckknight | doesn't work for Macs, though, apparently |
| 23:33.00 | Cairenn | hey guys, does anyone know if Flisher intends to update CharacterViewer? if not, does anyone have any recommendations for a replacement? |
| 23:34.57 | Gryphen | Vincent has taken over development of it |
| 23:34.57 | AnduinLothar | i think someone already picked it up |
| 23:35.40 | Kirov | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=490 |
| 23:35.44 | Cairenn | ask him to register on WoWI, get in touch with me, please? I'll get it transferred over to his ownership so he can update the version on WoWI |
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| 23:47.48 | Kemayo | I'm updating someone else's addon. It's a sickness. |
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| 23:52.53 | Ktron | (var or val) will be val when var is nil, right? |
| 23:53.06 | Iriel | yes |
| 23:53.07 | Kirov | yes |
| 23:53.08 | Iriel | or false |
| 23:53.15 | Iriel | (that is, when var is nil or false) |
| 23:53.29 | Ktron | awesome, so that's a useful trick |
| 23:53.37 | Iriel | indeed it is |
| 23:53.54 | Kemayo | Likewise (though the opposite) for (var and val). |
| 23:53.59 | Cide | (expr and trueVar) or falseVar is nice too |
| 23:54.56 | Kirov | and? |
| 23:55.08 | Kirov | what's the result of (var and val)? |
| 23:55.13 | Iriel | You can write that as (expr and trueVar or falseVar) too, if you're confident in your binding results |
| 23:55.22 | Iriel | var if var is nil or false, otherwise val |
| 23:55.47 | Iriel | 'precedence' is better than 'binding' in my previous statement. |
| 23:55.47 | Cide | yeah, I wasn't sure which order it used without testing |
| 23:56.22 | Iriel | I had to test it to be sure 8-) |
| 23:56.36 | Cide | cheater :) |
| 23:57.07 | Iriel | I was mostly sure though |
| 23:57.08 | Iriel | 8-) |
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