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| 00:13.25 | Kaelten | hello |
| 00:13.27 | ImmoAzrael | anyone use ItemSync ? |
| 00:13.44 | Kaelten | Azreal, sorry wrote a replacement :) |
| 00:13.51 | ImmoAzrael | heh |
| 00:14.06 | Kirov | Immo - I have |
| 00:14.12 | Kaelten | but if its a question I can answer would be happy to try |
| 00:14.15 | ImmoAzrael | i use Nurfed DKP to display item prices in the tooltip, and i want to put the item values in the ItemSync tooltip |
| 00:14.57 | Kaelten | that would require coding, I'm don't know derkyle's code well enough to help on that one |
| 00:15.03 | ImmoAzrael | hehe |
| 00:15.26 | Kirov | I believe he setup an easy way to hook his tooltip |
| 00:15.53 | ImmoAzrael | well, thats the thing.. im a noob, how do i hook ndkp into whatever they do ? |
| 00:16.38 | ImmoAzrael | heres the code that i use to display item prices in the default tooltip. |
| 00:16.38 | ImmoAzrael | http://www.underthemain.net/viewvc/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/IDKP_DKP/IDKP_DKP.lua?view=markup&rev=1.2 |
| 00:16.42 | Kirov | It depends on if ndkp allows an easy way to get the value as well. |
| 00:17.05 | ImmoAzrael | there is a method called MyToolTip or something like that halfway down that seems to be what i want. |
| 00:22.14 | ImmoAzrael | kaelten, can that dkp addon hook in to your item.. db ? :) |
| 00:22.26 | Kirov | Immo - line 858 |
| 00:23.16 | Kirov | hmm |
| 00:23.17 | Kirov | wait |
| 00:23.41 | Kirov | ah |
| 00:24.11 | Kirov | yeah, at line 858 in ItemSync\gui\ISync_MainFrame.lua after the SetHyperlink add this |
| 00:24.29 | Kirov | NDKP.ModifyTooltip(ISyncTooltip) |
| 00:24.54 | Kemayo | I hate those moments of "oh, it's not working because I'M A MORON!" |
| 00:25.07 | Kirov | Kemayo - I've gotten used to those. |
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| 00:25.48 | sweede | didnt work :( |
| 00:26.15 | sweede | but.. i wonder. |
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| 00:29.03 | sweede | its doin something though, its changed the scale of the the tooltips. |
| 00:30.43 | Elviso | AnduinLothar, you here? |
| 00:31.42 | Kirov | ah |
| 00:31.53 | Kirov | NDKP.ModifyTooltip("ISyncTooltip") |
| 00:32.01 | Kirov | name needs to be quoted |
| 00:32.24 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 00:33.15 | sweede | nope :( |
| 00:33.20 | Elviso | is ArcanePartyBars == ArcaneBars? |
| 00:33.30 | Elviso | I assume so but not sure |
| 00:34.09 | sweede | i get no errors though.. |
| 00:34.11 | Kirov | sweede - opps! |
| 00:34.41 | AnduinLothar | two diff things |
| 00:35.07 | Kirov | sweede - line 852 |
| 00:35.07 | Elviso | Ah |
| 00:35.10 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 00:35.14 | Kirov | and axe the "ISyncTooltip" |
| 00:35.29 | Kirov | just NDKP.ModifyTooltip() |
| 00:35.30 | AnduinLothar | ArcanePartyBars shows party casting bars, ArcaneBar shows your casting bar on your playerframe |
| 00:36.10 | Elviso | Odd |
| 00:36.40 | sweede | i dont thikn its calling the ndkp function :| |
| 00:37.19 | Elviso | APB looks like a Cosmos-only addon, but it's not included w/Cosmos |
| 00:38.07 | Elviso | oh wait it is |
| 00:38.18 | Elviso | lol it's the 1 thats included that doesn't have a wiki entry |
| 00:38.36 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 00:39.58 | Ktron | Does this look like a solid way to determine whether a certain character at pos in cstr is escaped? http://wow.pastebin.com/668362 |
| 00:43.00 | Ktron | as in, a way at all and not the most ridiculous way ever |
| 00:43.46 | Kirov | I just look to see if they're wearing a bright orange jump suit |
| 00:44.16 | sweede | kirov, i tried adding GameTooltip:AddLine(" fasdfsdafsd ", 0, 0, 0); to that line and nothing shows. |
| 00:45.18 | _B | Did you check to make sure nothing was gay? Including yourself? |
| 00:45.20 | Kirov | try sticking it down at line 898 |
| 00:45.31 | _B | Sometimes that can stop it from working |
| 00:46.21 | Kirov | _B - That's less helpful than even myself. >.< |
| 00:46.21 | _B | I know but I am shattered |
| 00:46.21 | _B | BYE |
| 00:46.21 | Ktron | ~lart _B |
| 00:46.59 | Kirov | ~cheer |
| 00:47.00 | purl | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 00:48.05 | _B | The thing is I could also say something possible helpful |
| 00:48.24 | _B | Like you need to set owners and make sure it's visible and stuff before writing tooltip content and this page http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip#Advanced_Notes_on_GameTooltip_methods pretty much explains everything |
| 00:48.29 | _B | But it's more fun just to be an arse |
| 00:48.42 | sweede | nope, still nothing.. i added the GameTooltip:AddLine(" fasdfsdafsd ", 0, 0, 0); in several places in that file :( |
| 00:49.05 | Kirov | sweede - you need a GameTooltip:Show() after you do an addline |
| 00:49.11 | Kirov | And you should be using 1,1,1 |
| 00:49.35 | sweede | i mentioned i was a nub at tooltip stuff right ? |
| 00:49.44 | _B | Just a nub |
| 00:50.51 | sweede | i dont get the tooltip on every item.. |
| 00:51.38 | sweede | got it now.. |
| 00:51.39 | sweede | leet. |
| 00:52.01 | Kirov | what was the issue? |
| 00:52.25 | sweede | it hink it was the :Show) ? |
| 00:52.35 | sweede | oh and you can disable the hooks in game too |
| 00:53.28 | Ktron | need some help with this code too http://wow.pastebin.com/668378 |
| 00:53.32 | sweede | and the added lines wasnt showing up on certain hooks |
| 00:55.27 | Kirov | Ktron - you're not calculating the quantum weight of the isotope correctly in that code |
| 00:56.13 | Ktron | I figured that I if I caused enough recursion with metatables, the methods would break down and accurately model the half life necessary though |
| 00:57.01 | Ktron | Maybe I need a second unary null quantifier? |
| 00:58.34 | Ktron|afk | mmm dinner time |
| 01:01.26 | sweede | kirov, still cant get it to work :( |
| 01:01.55 | sweede | but at least i know where the tooltip is being displayed from and i can hack it out from there hopefully |
| 01:03.43 | sweede | i dont think that the ModifyTooltip |
| 01:03.52 | sweede | is getting the name of the item in the tooltip. |
| 01:04.45 | Kirov | I don't have dkp installed here, so I can't really check. |
| 01:05.12 | sweede | isnt there something different that needed to be done to tooltips anyways? |
| 01:05.17 | sweede | that happened with the patch |
| 01:05.37 | Kirov | yes, but it's already being dealt with in itemsync |
| 01:06.01 | Kirov | Since you're already seeing the tooltip, the issue that 1.10 introduced is already past |
| 01:06.07 | sweede | o |
| 01:08.54 | Kirov | bbiab |
| 01:10.11 | sweede | doh. |
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| 01:40.06 | Elviso | alright AnduinLothar, got APB done |
| 01:41.36 | Miravlix | URL? |
| 01:44.06 | Ktron|afk | does APB require others to have APB installed, or does it go off of the combat log? |
| 01:44.16 | Ktron|afk | and some database of casting times or such? |
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| 01:55.25 | sweede | hey kirov.. still aint got it working :( |
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| 01:57.33 | sweede | in the ModifyTooltip() function i put some DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME: lines and they where never called when i was moused over an item in ItemSync |
| 01:57.59 | Iriel | The mouseover tooltip is a bit wierd |
| 01:58.03 | Iriel | there's some magic involved |
| 01:58.38 | sweede | im trying to get NurfedDKP to display the value of items in the Itemsync tooltip |
| 01:58.57 | Iriel | Oh, you mean mousing over inventory items? |
| 01:59.04 | Kirov | Iriel - ItemSync item list |
| 01:59.06 | sweede | ya, in itemsync. |
| 01:59.18 | Iriel | Ah, no magic there then |
| 01:59.35 | sweede | what i need it for, is that i modified nurfeddkp to store the item values in a "cache", and i need that to modify the item values in EqDKP.. |
| 01:59.42 | Iriel | Does itemsync use real tooltips or something of its own? |
| 01:59.58 | Kirov | real |
| 02:00.09 | Kirov | LootLink is the only one that does fake tooltips of any note |
| 02:02.53 | sweede | http://www.underthemain.net/viewvc/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/ItemSync/ ftw ! |
| 02:07.23 | Kirov | did you get it working? |
| 02:07.32 | sweede | no. |
| 02:07.48 | sweede | it doesnt seem toe xecute the mytooltipupdate method or whaetver it was |
| 02:07.53 | sweede | ModifyTooltip |
| 02:08.17 | Kirov | See if NDKP.GetDKP() returns anything |
| 02:08.59 | sweede | it appears not. |
| 02:09.54 | Kirov | hmm |
| 02:09.58 | sweede | when i do /dump NDKP.GetDKP() it just says "Devtools: value= NDKP.GetDKP() |
| 02:10.39 | Iriel | Nothing on the line below? |
| 02:10.43 | sweede | nothing |
| 02:10.47 | Iriel | That means it doesn't return anything |
| 02:11.38 | Kirov | try /dump NDKP.GetDKP("GameTooltip") |
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| 02:12.39 | sweede | same thing, this is strange though, as when i hit eter it says "DevTools: value=NDKP.GetDKP("GameTooltip")" , but teh chat entry box doesnt go away |
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| 02:14.02 | Shadowd | I dont remember this many people being in this channel before! |
| 02:14.21 | Iriel | Oh |
| 02:14.25 | Iriel | That means that it failed |
| 02:14.32 | Iriel | but you did something with the error message |
| 02:14.36 | Iriel | (usually, anyway) |
| 02:14.54 | sweede | so much for improved error message or whatever it is.. |
| 02:15.30 | sweede | wouldnt that not work if i wasnt moused over a tooltip ? |
| 02:15.36 | sweede | or had one showing at lest |
| 02:15.54 | Kirov | if you didn't have one showing it would probably be unhappy |
| 02:16.12 | sweede | ya, i tried with and without.. |
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| 02:24.17 | sweede | wow is using 900 megs of ram... |
| 02:24.30 | Miravlix | Wish it was mine |
| 02:24.41 | Miravlix | it's using over 1 GB here |
| 02:24.57 | Miravlix | My 1.5 GB isn't enough to avoid my machine swaps |
| 02:25.42 | Elviso | Ktron, still here? |
| 02:25.48 | Ktron | frequently |
| 02:25.50 | Ktron | what's up? |
| 02:26.24 | Kirov | sweede - so, I got the version of Nurfed_DKP on their site and added their new func, Nurfed_DKP:AddDKP() and it works fine for me |
| 02:26.39 | Kirov | So, there might be some bug in your IDKP_DKP addon |
| 02:28.07 | sweede | hmm.. |
| 02:28.19 | sweede | what output do you get when you do that though ? |
| 02:28.21 | Ktron | Elviso, oh, are you going to answer whether APB requires everyone in the group to be running the addon, or whether it works off of the combat log? |
| 02:28.57 | Kirov | sweede - in the tooltip? It shows the dkp value of the item |
| 02:29.28 | Elviso | Ktron: sorry I didn't reply earlier, was busy testing some stuff |
| 02:29.33 | sweede | wait, where is AddDKP? is there a new version out... |
| 02:29.37 | Elviso | I'm not 100% sure how APB works |
| 02:29.51 | Elviso | I'm just updating the WoWWiki for AnduinLothar |
| 02:29.52 | Kirov | sweede - yeah |
| 02:30.00 | Elviso | and was notifying him that I'd finished the page for APB |
| 02:30.07 | Ktron | Ah... so I should probably see if AnduinLothar knows at some point |
| 02:30.20 | Elviso | http://www.wowwiki.com/ArcanePartyBars |
| 02:30.24 | Elviso | Yes |
| 02:30.38 | Miravlix | Elviso, if you have any questions about any part of Cosmos, I can try to help out. |
| 02:31.26 | sweede | kirov, what version are you using.. i only see 3.2 |
| 02:32.12 | Kirov | oh, I guess I'm using 2.2 |
| 02:32.30 | sweede | heh thas a way old version. |
| 02:32.37 | sweede | unless you mean 3.2 |
| 02:33.06 | Ktron | Miravlix, do you know how ArcanePartyBars works? Do you know if it requires everyone in the group to be running it to function? |
| 02:33.08 | Elviso | Miravlix: ok, I believe Ktron had the question at this point :) |
| 02:33.17 | Kirov | hmm |
| 02:33.43 | Kirov | http://nurfedui.net/ndkp.php - I got the version from that page labeled as Nurfed DKP Addon at the bottom |
| 02:33.57 | Miravlix | It's a Sky communication addon |
| 02:33.59 | sweede | ya |
| 02:34.02 | sweede | thats what i used |
| 02:34.03 | Miravlix | So yeah, everyone needs it. |
| 02:34.15 | sweede | basicly all i did was s/NurfedDKP/IDKP/g :) |
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| 02:34.59 | Ktron | Miravlix, alright, I wasn't sure if users could just run sky |
| 02:35.02 | Ktron | or similar |
| 02:35.04 | Ktron | thanks |
| 02:35.19 | sweede | actually.. |
| 02:35.28 | sweede | this version is more up-to date than what i used.. odd.. |
| 02:36.17 | sweede | thius version is WAY different.. |
| 02:36.38 | sweede | the one that i used for my addon was the one that comes included with the "updated" 3.2 Nurfed website package |
| 02:37.53 | sweede | jesus christ.. >:| |
| 02:38.00 | sweede | well, i guess i'll hold off on that for a while :) |
| 02:40.13 | Kalroth | zeeg: there? :) |
| 02:42.57 | Miravlix | I don't play WoW much when it's up, so why does maintenance bother me. |
| 02:43.32 | Kalroth | I actually like maintenance now, since I get some coding done :) |
| 02:43.43 | Elviso | how come people never notify me when one of my addons is broken |
| 02:43.47 | Miravlix | I need a server to do /reload on to code |
| 02:44.06 | Elviso | Miravlix: you could go to the US servers |
| 02:44.14 | Kalroth | Elviso: The obvious answer is that the players whom it's broke for, didn't need it enough to bother |
| 02:44.32 | Miravlix | Elviso, Aah, I think eplaining that might be slightly negative. |
| 02:44.52 | Elviso | Miravlix: me explaining it to you, or? |
| 02:45.07 | Kalroth | I mean, if CTRA breaks then I'll go bother Cide, but if CT_Timer breaks then I'll just live without |
| 02:45.19 | Elviso | probably right about that |
| 02:45.26 | Cide | poor CT_Timer |
| 02:45.34 | Kalroth | aww |
| 02:45.49 | Kalroth | I didn't mean it like that, it's actually a good addon! |
| 02:46.05 | Kalroth | (and not broken either :) |
| 02:46.07 | Miravlix | Kalroth already said it |
| 02:47.25 | Kalroth | has anyone been playing with the *.wdb files? in particular itemcache.wdb, I'm having problems figuring out the proper min-max damage values for items >< |
| 02:47.38 | Kalroth | (or is that a nono in this channel?) |
| 02:47.42 | Miravlix | It's the same for all of us though, not enough users is into bug reporting |
| 02:47.57 | Kalroth | Miravlix: It's not always easy to report a bug |
| 02:48.09 | Miravlix | Kalroth: I don't think Bliz is upset with reading the cache files |
| 02:48.31 | Iriel | I'm sure they dont like it all that much either |
| 02:48.37 | Kalroth | Miravlix: Figured as much, but it was more the purpose of this channel being addon coding only |
| 02:49.02 | Kalroth | Iriel: Yeah, it's probably in the same catagory as worldviewer, etc :/ |
| 02:49.09 | Kalroth | Ignore my question :P |
| 02:49.48 | Miravlix | I would love knowing more about wdb |
| 02:50.01 | Miravlix | Just had a major meltdown in PartyQuest/Libram due to wdb |
| 02:50.30 | Kalroth | I'm just curious of nature and I love playing with binary files |
| 02:51.20 | Miravlix | So I can't really be bothered with whatever Blizzard feels as long as WDB is a major issue for addon makers. |
| 02:51.36 | Miravlix | Then we have a right to look at it. |
| 02:52.09 | Kalroth | I don't know the issue of WDB and addons, but it is Blizzards data, so we don't have a right (imo :) |
| 02:52.15 | Kirov | There's nothing illegal about reverse engineering |
| 02:52.22 | Tain | I've never really seen it as a major issue in the least. |
| 02:52.29 | Kirov | So, blizzard can't technically _do_ anything about it. |
| 02:52.29 | Kalroth | Kirov: Nope, not where I live anyways :) |
| 02:52.36 | Miravlix | The WDB is involved with certain API calls |
| 02:52.43 | Tain | Actually it's barely ever even come up for peripheral consideration. |
| 02:53.18 | Iriel | It's not an issue per se |
| 02:53.35 | Iriel | the problem is if it's empty/out of date then you cqan get more latency and events than normal |
| 02:53.51 | Kirov | the full information on the wdb format is up online in various places. They haven't really changed it since starcraft as far as I know. |
| 02:53.54 | Kalroth | oh I'm not editing anything, only parsing it |
| 02:54.00 | Miravlix | Ending up with queued events and endless loops |
| 02:54.02 | Kirov | only thing that's changed is the .m2 and .blp formats |
| 02:54.13 | Kalroth | nono Kirov, wdb is their cache stuff, not their archive format :) |
| 02:54.20 | Kirov | woops |
| 02:54.21 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 02:54.27 | Cairenn | purr |
| 02:54.30 | Kalroth | mpq is the their archive format |
| 02:54.37 | Kalroth | moo and purr .. hrm |
| 02:54.47 | Kirov | ~whaleslap kirov |
| 02:54.49 | purl | ACTION beats kirov upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 02:54.55 | Miravlix | You pour milk |
| 02:55.18 | AnduinLothar | the world was not enough apparently |
| 02:55.25 | Miravlix | though I didn't know Andu played cows. |
| 02:55.32 | Kirov | wdb readers are hard to find these days. |
| 02:55.45 | Kalroth | Kirov: Hence why I'm reversing .. :) |
| 02:56.03 | AnduinLothar | no, but i play bridge occationally |
| 02:56.05 | MentalPower | MyWarcraftStudio is a pretty good one |
| 02:56.06 | Miravlix | Would be nice having some API calls to know about WDB |
| 02:56.22 | Kalroth | Actually it started as a simple project, I wanted to do some DPS theory calculations |
| 02:56.29 | Kalroth | So I needed various weapons for that |
| 02:56.32 | MentalPower | it will even convert them to CSV if you want to |
| 02:56.40 | Kalroth | Now I'm writing a WDB parser to extract item information >< |
| 02:56.49 | AnduinLothar | prolly already been done |
| 02:56.55 | AnduinLothar | i know zeeg has the info |
| 02:57.04 | Kalroth | Aye, hence I poked him earlier ;) |
| 02:57.30 | Kirov | anyone know what happened to the wowmodelviewer and wowworldviewer projects? |
| 02:57.42 | MentalPower | they got moved to curse |
| 02:57.43 | Kalroth | I got most of the basics, I can easily run through the file, there's just some values that's bothering me ;) |
| 02:58.14 | AnduinLothar | http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Hell_Bovines |
| 02:58.30 | Kalroth | moooooo |
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| 03:01.57 | norganna | Kalroth |
| 03:02.02 | Kalroth | Yessir? |
| 03:02.05 | Cairenn | norganna!! |
| 03:02.08 | Kalroth | uh oh |
| 03:02.17 | AnduinLothar | whoa, he does exist |
| 03:02.18 | Cairenn | hey :) |
| 03:02.58 | Cairenn | long time no see, how are you doing? |
| 03:03.04 | MentalPower | Kalroth: norganna has built a WDB parser, so I dragged him over :) |
| 03:03.08 | Kalroth | :D |
| 03:03.30 | norganna | I've been good |
| 03:03.36 | Cairenn | glad to hear it :) |
| 03:03.43 | norganna | doing a bit more playing than coding these days :P |
| 03:03.52 | Cairenn | always a good thing |
| 03:04.00 | Cairenn | missed you round these parts though |
| 03:04.52 | norganna | Ahh, the strayed lamb has returned home... <3 |
| 03:04.53 | Kalroth | norganna: I'm reading (WORD) for eg. Ashkandi it's 0x4365 and 0x43AC |
| 03:04.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:05.25 | Kalroth | norganna: but I can't relate it to the actual values, no matter what calculation I use :) |
| 03:05.58 | Kalroth | norganna: it's the min-max damage values (I believe so anyways :) |
| 03:06.31 | norganna | ok - so i'm assuming you're trying to decode itemcache.wdb? |
| 03:06.36 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 03:06.53 | Kalroth | I got the general format down, wasn't much of a problem |
| 03:07.04 | Kalroth | now I just need to connect the dots of the various data |
| 03:07.27 | Kalroth | I got the basics, eg quality, vendor value, slot type, item level, etc. etc. |
| 03:07.54 | Kalroth | attributes, equip effect ids, resists |
| 03:09.19 | norganna | hang on a sec, i'm just trying to find my code :) |
| 03:09.26 | Kalroth | Thanks, appriciated :) |
| 03:10.18 | Cairenn | norgs, some point when you have both time and inclination, would you mind dropping me a line, either here or email ( cairenn AT wowinterface DOT com ) or on WoWI, please? |
| 03:10.43 | zeeg | what do you need Kalroth |
| 03:11.13 | norganna | the offsets for the itemcache.wdb file |
| 03:11.20 | Kalroth | zeeg: how to calculate the actual min-max values on an item |
| 03:11.27 | Kalroth | I got the values/offsets |
| 03:11.40 | zeeg | they're in the wdb |
| 03:11.47 | Kalroth | yes, but not the exact values |
| 03:11.48 | zeeg | they're floats |
| 03:11.51 | Kalroth | ! |
| 03:12.04 | Kalroth | aha, I was reading them as WORD/DWORD |
| 03:12.05 | zeeg | whats the point of a wdb extractor when so many sites list the info :P |
| 03:12.17 | Kalroth | zeeg: because it was for my own usage |
| 03:12.22 | zeeg | i see |
| 03:12.26 | zeeg | its a lot of work |
| 03:12.32 | zeeg | they change the structure usually ever major patch |
| 03:12.33 | Kalroth | zeeg: and not many sites offers a downloadable item list :) |
| 03:12.34 | zeeg | for at least the item wdb |
| 03:12.39 | zeeg | no sites do, and no sites will :P |
| 03:12.41 | norganna | ofc - but the sense of accomplishment! |
| 03:12.43 | zeeg | because it costs $$ to do the stuff :) |
| 03:12.51 | Kalroth | aye, I figured as much, it's more of curiousity I guess :) |
| 03:12.55 | zeeg | ya |
| 03:13.00 | zeeg | you can decode the Auto Assault stuff for me |
| 03:13.03 | zeeg | i got it part way |
| 03:13.05 | zeeg | like 4 dbs done |
| 03:13.07 | zeeg | ;) |
| 03:13.16 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com |
| 03:13.32 | Kalroth | I wrote a program for Asheron's Call that could parse their pseudo filesystem and weird custom fileformats a while back |
| 03:13.39 | Kalroth | but it's uhmm .. a while back :P |
| 03:13.53 | zeeg | norganna, only a little ;) |
| 03:14.13 | zeeg | http://aa.nibbits.com/missions.php?missionID=1313&q= |
| 03:14.14 | zeeg | sexy :D |
| 03:14.23 | zeeg | too bad i dont have it done yet |
| 03:15.33 | Kalroth | but of course they're floats, looking at their binary values it's easy to see :) |
| 03:15.45 | Kalroth | Thanks (both of you!) |
| 03:16.49 | zeeg | hrm |
| 03:16.50 | zeeg | alright |
| 03:16.51 | zeeg | fine |
| 03:17.25 | Osagasu | zeeg and Norganna have a rocky relationship |
| 03:17.39 | zeeg | O.o |
| 03:17.43 | Osagasu | :P |
| 03:17.46 | zeeg | if by rocky you mean |
| 03:17.47 | Kalroth | rocky balboa'ish? :) |
| 03:17.47 | zeeg | hes my love slave |
| 03:17.49 | norganna | heheh |
| 03:18.12 | norganna | zeeg wants me bad (but can't have me) |
| 03:18.29 | zeeg | lol |
| 03:18.32 | zeeg | i know |
| 03:18.33 | zeeg | :( |
| 03:18.36 | Osagasu | zeeg is short, fat, and ugly, and norganna is holier than thou |
| 03:18.46 | Osagasu | :> |
| 03:20.26 | zeeg | lies |
| 03:20.32 | zeeg | im a sexy fit stud |
| 03:20.34 | zeeg | w/ a nice car |
| 03:20.34 | zeeg | :) |
| 03:20.39 | Osagasu | Admit it, you're a gnome |
| 03:20.41 | zeeg | 6' |
| 03:20.42 | zeeg | :) |
| 03:20.59 | norganna | ok, so you worked it out Kalroth ? |
| 03:21.32 | Kalroth | Min dmg: 229 |
| 03:21.32 | Kalroth | Max dmg: 344 |
| 03:21.35 | Kalroth | Yup :D |
| 03:21.44 | norganna | kew |
| 03:22.13 | zeeg | hrm |
| 03:22.15 | norganna | anything else i can help with (assuming you don't get it first) |
| 03:22.35 | Kalroth | norganna: Can I reserve the right to gather up questions later? :P |
| 03:23.12 | Kalroth | I've still got a lot of unknowns, but I've only parsed ~20 items or so, once I've gone through most of the cache I hope to have most of it |
| 03:23.58 | Kalroth | I got one though, but I'm not sure you can answer it :) Why is the item name there 4 times? considering each wdb got a locale identifier |
| 03:24.12 | norganna | no clue :P |
| 03:24.19 | Kalroth | Just seems rather redundant to me :) |
| 03:25.35 | zeeg | give me a minute Kalroth |
| 03:25.38 | zeeg | im posting the itemwdb structure |
| 03:25.44 | Kalroth | Thanks :) |
| 03:28.53 | zeeg | norgann |
| 03:28.55 | zeeg | or Kaeltenl |
| 03:28.58 | zeeg | spell's cooldown |
| 03:29.00 | zeeg | is it a value or an ID |
| 03:29.01 | zeeg | i cant remember |
| 03:30.32 | norganna | here's my structure from a while ago: http://norganna.org/struc.txt |
| 03:31.59 | zeeg | not quite right |
| 03:32.00 | zeeg | :) |
| 03:32.08 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/forums/showthread.php?p=67997#post67997 |
| 03:32.13 | zeeg | thats not every field |
| 03:32.15 | zeeg | but its close |
| 03:32.43 | zeeg | Now before anyone does it, I'm going to ask that you do not copy/paste that structure to your own site, as it changes frequently and I'd like to at least get the publicity from posting it ;) |
| 03:32.44 | norganna | mine's from a few versions of wow ago too (1.7ish?). |
| 03:32.49 | zeeg | well |
| 03:32.50 | zeeg | your page count |
| 03:32.51 | zeeg | is the ammo type |
| 03:32.55 | Kalroth | Many thanks, zeeg :) |
| 03:33.38 | zeeg | norganna, what software does wowwiki use |
| 03:34.27 | zeeg | since wowmodelview's wiki died |
| 03:34.52 | norganna | hmmm |
| 03:35.08 | Iriel | wowwiki is mediawiki |
| 03:35.12 | norganna | i thought it was mediawiki |
| 03:35.18 | zeeg | anything better? |
| 03:35.27 | norganna | it used to say on the page but they got rid of it |
| 03:36.37 | zeeg | ok well ill set that up on wowguru |
| 03:36.39 | zeeg | for DBC/WDB stuff |
| 03:36.42 | zeeg | and ill list all my structures |
| 03:36.57 | Iriel | do bear in mind that blizzard might not LIKE you posting it |
| 03:37.03 | Iriel | and may serve you a DMCA Takedown |
| 03:37.06 | zeeg | good thing they dont like me already |
| 03:37.07 | zeeg | :) |
| 03:37.11 | zeeg | and i can get around a DMCA on that |
| 03:37.18 | zeeg | just screenshots i cant |
| 03:37.26 | zeeg | err well |
| 03:37.27 | zeeg | certain ones |
| 03:46.38 | zeeg | i dont even know how to use these dumb wikis |
| 03:46.39 | zeeg | lol |
| 03:47.00 | Kalroth | make a wiki about how to use wi.. oh wait, nm |
| 03:47.02 | zeeg | dont know how to create pages etc. :( |
| 03:47.38 | zeeg | ok |
| 03:47.42 | zeeg | for a definition i do uhh |
| 03:47.45 | zeeg | ''Word'' or something |
| 03:49.46 | zeeg | ah |
| 03:49.48 | zeeg | its [[blah]] |
| 03:50.16 | Kalroth | oh joy, new tag syntax to learn :) |
| 03:50.22 | zeeg | lol |
| 03:52.31 | Kirov | wow, wowguru |
| 03:52.36 | Kirov | do people still use that site? |
| 03:52.37 | zeeg | ? |
| 03:52.51 | zeeg | lol |
| 03:52.52 | Kalroth | I sense much love here! |
| 03:53.38 | zeeg | anyways |
| 03:53.40 | zeeg | www.wowguru.com/wiki/ |
| 03:55.06 | MentalPower | ROLF, Donations (WoW Guru Wiki:Site support) |
| 03:55.15 | MentalPower | :) |
| 03:55.22 | zeeg | lol |
| 03:55.25 | zeeg | idk how to delete that |
| 03:55.27 | zeeg | ill figure it out later |
| 03:55.31 | zeeg | and make it look like wowguru more |
| 03:57.31 | zeeg | wtf |
| 03:57.33 | zeeg | how do you create tables |
| 03:57.33 | zeeg | >< |
| 03:59.17 | AnduinLothar | well, first you get some wood |
| 03:59.30 | AnduinLothar | then you get a saw |
| 03:59.53 | hyperChipmunk | generally you need the saw before you can get the wood |
| 04:00.04 | Kalroth | haha |
| 04:00.08 | hyperChipmunk | unless you want to get it beaver-style |
| 04:00.15 | hyperChipmunk | not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 04:00.35 | hyperChipmunk | but if you're getting the saw eventually anyways... |
| 04:01.12 | AnduinLothar | you buy the wood pre cut in manageable sizes |
| 04:01.21 | AnduinLothar | or just buy the table pre made.. |
| 04:07.16 | zeeg | wooot |
| 04:07.17 | zeeg | i almost got it |
| 04:07.18 | zeeg | D: |
| 04:10.20 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/ItemCache.wdb |
| 04:10.22 | zeeg | something like that gonna work? |
| 04:11.16 | Kalroth | Yup, I like it |
| 04:11.22 | zeeg | err actually the bytes are kinda worthless |
| 04:11.30 | Kalroth | well except that it's 'integer' and not 'integar' :P |
| 04:11.45 | Kalroth | well an offset might be better, yeah |
| 04:12.01 | Kalroth | even if it's a relative offset |
| 04:14.37 | zeeg | refresh |
| 04:14.40 | zeeg | hrm |
| 04:21.10 | sweede | hey kirov.. the updated ndkp addon works with item sync adding that line :D |
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| 04:26.49 | Kirov | cool |
| 04:29.24 | zeeg | ugh takes forever |
| 04:33.35 | Elviso | ahhhhhhhh |
| 04:33.55 | Elviso | here's the HOWTO for using self/:/. that I could've really used a week ago |
| 04:34.03 | Elviso | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Do_Tricks_With_Lua_Method_Notation |
| 04:34.09 | Elviso | (sorry got lagged) |
| 04:35.31 | Iriel | the title and tone of that page annoyed me 8-) |
| 04:37.23 | Miravlix | I want my linux server back and my readahead proxy back. :p |
| 04:38.20 | Miravlix | Aah finally the page loaded |
| 04:44.46 | Elviso | Iriel: you speak in past tense, did you rename it? |
| 04:44.47 | zeeg | hrm |
| 04:45.17 | Iriel | No |
| 04:45.30 | Iriel | I just got introduced to the page a while ago |
| 04:46.24 | Elviso | we need an expert to expand on it *nudge nudge* ;) |
| 04:46.58 | zeeg | are materials in a dbc |
| 04:46.58 | zeeg | i keep thinking they are |
| 04:46.58 | zeeg | but cant remember |
| 04:49.03 | zeeg | ok there |
| 04:49.09 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/ItemCache.wdb |
| 04:49.11 | zeeg | grr thisll make me mad |
| 04:49.14 | zeeg | alt+d tries to do delete page |
| 04:58.12 | norganna | zeeg - unknown 69...80, what's with that? |
| 04:59.36 | norganna | i think maybe the numbers are a bit munged |
| 04:59.50 | zeeg | err |
| 05:00.01 | zeeg | damnit |
| 05:00.02 | zeeg | lol |
| 05:00.54 | norganna | anyhow, one of those resists are holy... i thought it was the one at 65 was holy, and the one at 70 is arcane, but they could have changed it. |
| 05:01.12 | Kalroth | it could be 79? |
| 05:01.13 | zeeg | erm |
| 05:01.16 | zeeg | my stuff doesnt show a holy resist |
| 05:01.24 | zeeg | they hav eholy damage |
| 05:01.25 | zeeg | but not resist |
| 05:01.34 | Kalroth | yeah, holy resist isn't implemented as far as I know |
| 05:01.37 | Kalroth | imba tincans! |
| 05:01.37 | norganna | yeah - cause there's isn't any holy resisting items afaik. |
| 05:01.53 | norganna | but it makes sense they would leave a psace for it |
| 05:01.59 | norganna | *space |
| 05:02.08 | zeeg | i havent noticed my stuff breaking and im pulling all this data from live stuff :s |
| 05:02.26 | norganna | so, is all in field 70 == 0? |
| 05:02.43 | Kalroth | well there is an unknown right after shadow resist, zeeg |
| 05:02.45 | Kalroth | it could be holy? |
| 05:02.58 | zeeg | i fixed it |
| 05:02.58 | zeeg | refresh |
| 05:03.01 | zeeg | erm |
| 05:03.12 | zeeg | it could be |
| 05:03.14 | zeeg | not sure |
| 05:03.17 | zeeg | i have a wdb parser |
| 05:03.22 | zeeg | but you need admin flags on wowguru to use it |
| 05:03.24 | zeeg | :s |
| 05:03.32 | Kalroth | it's hard to know without seeing an item with holy resist ;) |
| 05:03.42 | zeeg | thanks for helping btw :) |
| 05:04.00 | Kalroth | I like the current layout |
| 05:04.24 | norganna | knoledge == power! :P |
| 05:04.46 | norganna | spelling wrong == looking stoopid. |
| 05:04.52 | zeeg | ill probably leave it like that |
| 05:04.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn (n=jbcc@d207-216-176-153.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 05:04.58 | zeeg | but add a bar at the top to get back to wowgurus dif areas |
| 05:05.35 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 05:05.42 | zeeg | howdy |
| 05:06.15 | Cairenn | hey Esamynn :) |
| 05:07.28 | Esamynn | Iriel: TitleRegions are definately not "visible" to the UI, which makes it difficult to test the other attributes, would you agree it is safe to assume that it probably doesn't accept any of them except setAllPoints? |
| 05:07.43 | norganna | arcane is wrong zeeg |
| 05:07.47 | norganna | http://www.wowguru.com/db/syndicate/items/amberseal-keeper-id17113.xml |
| 05:08.00 | norganna | not correct - this item has +5 arcane resist |
| 05:08.11 | Iriel | Esamynn : The XSD says you can use regular SetPoint on them too |
| 05:08.18 | zeeg | >< |
| 05:08.18 | zeeg | hrm |
| 05:08.19 | Iriel | Esamynn : Which is what i'd expect to be the 'normal' situation |
| 05:08.26 | zeeg | sec |
| 05:08.37 | zeeg | you're regged on wowguru right norg |
| 05:08.40 | zeeg | i dont have wow installed yet on this system |
| 05:08.40 | Esamynn | yes, I meant the xs:attribute's though |
| 05:08.52 | Esamynn | as in inherits, virtual, hidden.... |
| 05:08.57 | Iriel | Esamynn : Oh, yeah, I'd think so |
| 05:08.57 | norganna | yeah |
| 05:09.05 | zeeg | im gonna give you admin |
| 05:09.18 | zeeg | can you upload an itemcache and check if its just swapping that unknown after the resists to before |
| 05:09.36 | norganna | k |
| 05:09.40 | AnduinLothar | anyone done any testing on max outgoing bandwidth that lead to any meaningful results?? |
| 05:09.49 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/admin/debug-wdb.php |
| 05:10.29 | wereHamster | when I anchor two frames together and then logout, where will the frames appear when I login the next time?Will their new position be saved in the layout cache? |
| 05:12.42 | Iriel | wereHamster : It depends what :IsUserPlaced() returns for them before you logout |
| 05:13.14 | zeeg | norganna, what you're looking at is my "i never will finish this" administration section |
| 05:13.15 | zeeg | lol |
| 05:14.04 | norganna | hmmm |
| 05:14.17 | norganna | i don't have anything in my itemcache with resists... |
| 05:14.19 | zeeg | i wonder how long that has been wrong |
| 05:14.42 | zeeg | that was updated in 1.10.1 |
| 05:14.48 | zeeg | so you're right about that being there |
| 05:14.48 | Kalroth | I got a 4mb itemcache.wdb with 8k+ items |
| 05:14.54 | Kalroth | if you want something to test |
| 05:15.18 | norganna | yup - i reckon that 1st one is holy resist and the 5th is arcane... |
| 05:15.29 | Esamynn | Iriel: ok, I'm going to write up the API on the assumption that the TitleRegion will remain as is, we can let Slouken make the choice about whether or not to create a new type to clean up the "mess" |
| 05:15.44 | zeeg | hrm |
| 05:15.54 | zeeg | know any items that give arcane resists |
| 05:16.23 | zeeg | and we could see if they're listing it as 0 |
| 05:16.31 | zeeg | err wait |
| 05:16.41 | zeeg | i should say |
| 05:16.44 | zeeg | know any that give fire resist |
| 05:17.01 | Kalroth | easy, onyxia neck :) |
| 05:17.11 | Esamynn | ok, question, what is an HitRectInset and what the heck are they for? |
| 05:17.17 | Kalroth | Bloodfang Pants got both fire and arcane resist, zeeg |
| 05:17.38 | norganna | http://thottbot.com/?f=w&stat1=11&c1=gt&v1=0 |
| 05:17.45 | zeeg | ok they're listed as +10 fire |
| 05:17.52 | zeeg | hrm |
| 05:17.54 | zeeg | i need one w/ just + fire |
| 05:18.08 | Kalroth | Onyxia Tooth Pendant |
| 05:19.45 | norganna | http://thottbot.com/?f=w&stat1=7&c1=gt&v1=0 <- +Fire resist weapons |
| 05:19.54 | zeeg | about to find out if you're right |
| 05:19.54 | zeeg | :) |
| 05:19.55 | zeeg | i think you are |
| 05:20.02 | zeeg | yep you are |
| 05:20.53 | zeeg | :D |
| 05:22.08 | norganna | so do i lose my +admin now? :P |
| 05:22.14 | zeeg | nah |
| 05:22.17 | zeeg | its not like it lets you do anhything |
| 05:22.18 | zeeg | lol |
| 05:22.19 | zeeg | well |
| 05:22.23 | zeeg | you could mess up my dbc stuff |
| 05:22.24 | zeeg | but |
| 05:22.25 | zeeg | id kill you |
| 05:22.34 | norganna | oh, ok then :D |
| 05:22.37 | zeeg | you can view dbc templates |
| 05:22.39 | zeeg | just dont click load |
| 05:22.39 | zeeg | lol |
| 05:23.28 | norganna | guess i'd better get back to work (as much fun as hacking wdb files is) |
| 05:23.32 | zeeg | hrm |
| 05:23.34 | zeeg | i didnt do ammo types |
| 05:23.34 | zeeg | strange |
| 05:24.11 | Cairenn | contrary to the popular expression, there is rest for the wicked ... night all |
| 05:24.32 | zeeg | im wicked |
| 05:24.33 | zeeg | and i dont sleep |
| 05:24.34 | zeeg | much |
| 05:24.44 | Esamynn | night Cair |
| 05:24.59 | norganna | nite |
| 05:26.01 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn|sleep (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:27.00 | Kalroth | g'night Iriel :) |
| 05:28.13 | Esamynn | anyone know anything about HitRectInsets? |
| 05:28.23 | wereHamster | anyone from EU here? |
| 05:28.51 | Kalroth | Esamynn: No idea, sorry. Is it a 3D thing? |
| 05:29.01 | wereHamster | I need the unpatched BackgroundDownloader.exe |
| 05:29.08 | Esamynn | They are a possible Frame element in the UI XML |
| 05:29.12 | Iriel | I believe it defines the 'click' subset of a frame |
| 05:29.24 | Esamynn | thats what my experiements were leading me to believe |
| 05:29.25 | Iriel | i.e. anything outside of the region it defines doesn't count as a click |
| 05:29.41 | Esamynn | I was hoping for confirmation :) |
| 05:30.57 | Iriel | What I dont know is exactly which things it affects |
| 05:31.02 | Esamynn | now to try anchoring a Frame titleRegion to another Frame and see what happens :) |
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| 05:31.11 | Iriel | i.e. is it just OnClick, or is it OnMouseDown/OnMouseUp/OnEnter |
| 05:31.25 | Esamynn | well it does affect the clickable area of the TitleRegion, I know that much |
| 05:31.27 | Tem | what /is/ a titleRegion |
| 05:31.57 | Esamynn | Tem: it seems to be an easy way to set up a frame to be draggable |
| 05:31.58 | Iriel | It's a region of a frame which WoW does some 'title' operations on, such as drag-to-move (if movable="true') |
| 05:32.11 | Iriel | Well, when I say "such as", that's the only one I know f |
| 05:32.18 | Tem | me too |
| 05:32.27 | Tem | I was hoping you could tell me something new |
| 05:33.10 | Iriel | Anyway, sleep time for real |
| 05:33.17 | Tem | good lord iriel |
| 05:33.22 | Tem | 10 second rule |
| 05:34.05 | norganna | zeeg - you still there? |
| 05:36.05 | zeeg | of course |
| 05:36.13 | zeeg | just added links to the main site pointing to the wiki |
| 05:36.19 | zeeg | ill pass the word around and try to get some more data in soon |
| 05:36.32 | norganna | your damage types are wrong too |
| 05:36.41 | zeeg | realy? |
| 05:36.43 | norganna | 6 is arcane |
| 05:36.57 | zeeg | $wowguru_db['damage_types'] = array('Normal', 'Holy', 'Fire', 'Nature', 'Frost', 'Shadow'); |
| 05:36.57 | norganna | (same order btw as the resist types) |
| 05:37.00 | zeeg | k so just missing arcane? |
| 05:37.11 | norganna | yup |
| 05:37.17 | zeeg | thanks |
| 05:37.18 | norganna | http://www.wowguru.com/db/items/summoners-wand-id5245/ |
| 05:37.30 | norganna | that should have +arcane damage |
| 05:38.01 | zeeg | so we'll just say it is holy resist then |
| 05:38.02 | zeeg | :) |
| 05:38.23 | norganna | i think that's right ;) |
| 05:38.54 | norganna | it's a complete guess and there's no empirical evidence to support it, but it seems to fit |
| 05:39.12 | zeeg | ya |
| 05:39.16 | Kalroth | zeeg: for buyPrice and sellPrice the proper description would be that the value is in copper, you need to divide yourself to calculate gold and silver |
| 05:39.26 | wereHamster | Nobody from europe here? |
| 05:39.29 | norganna | kal - :p |
| 05:39.43 | norganna | were - why do you need it? |
| 05:40.08 | wereHamster | WoW wants to patch the backgrounddownloader.exe .. and I've deleted it |
| 05:40.29 | norganna | did you try running the repair tool? |
| 05:40.30 | Esamynn | interesting, you can anchor a Frame's TitleRegion to a different frame, but if you do, you won't be able to make use of it anymore |
| 05:40.35 | wereHamster | right now.. |
| 05:41.01 | zeeg | its not in copper Kalroth |
| 05:41.06 | zeeg | its XXXXXX |
| 05:41.10 | zeeg | as far as I recall |
| 05:41.15 | zeeg | which is GOLD GOLD SILVER SILVER COPPER COPPER |
| 05:41.16 | zeeg | so |
| 05:41.20 | zeeg | 110011 is 11 gold 11 copper |
| 05:41.25 | Kalroth | zeeg: mmm, well yes, I guess it's basically the same :) |
| 05:41.30 | norganna | me marvells at zeeg's grasp of maths |
| 05:41.35 | zeeg | err |
| 05:41.41 | MentalPower | lol |
| 05:41.44 | Kalroth | since 100 copper = 1 silver, 100 silver = 1 gold |
| 05:41.50 | zeeg | oh |
| 05:41.51 | zeeg | well |
| 05:41.53 | zeeg | change it if you want |
| 05:41.54 | zeeg | haha |
| 05:41.55 | norganna | :p |
| 05:42.29 | Kalroth | wereHamster: I got a link, but I can't paste it in the channel, so I'll privmsg you it |
| 05:42.58 | Kalroth | wereHamster: but I can't give you any garantees against virus/trojans/etc, just to make it clear |
| 05:43.10 | Kalroth | dont trust exe files from strangers, it's bad :) |
| 05:43.23 | wereHamster | of course :) |
| 05:43.56 | wereHamster | rm -Rf ~/.wine and I have a fresh windows installation :) |
| 05:44.11 | ckknight | zeeg, do you understand basic arithmetic? |
| 05:44.23 | zeeg | shhh |
| 05:45.12 | norganna | trouble is zeeg doesn't play wow |
| 05:45.23 | zeeg | :) |
| 05:45.25 | zeeg | i did for 2 weeks |
| 05:45.39 | Kalroth | http://acdev.org/sweet_error_message.png >< |
| 05:45.44 | zeeg | norganna, it still says something that wowguru gets the most traffic out of any fansites when the guy who runs it doesnt play wow ;) |
| 05:46.05 | Kalroth | figures they'd fsck up even the updater |
| 05:46.19 | zeeg | :s |
| 05:46.24 | ckknight | you're rather arrogant, zeeg |
| 05:46.35 | norganna | it says you're a money grubbing megalomaniac? |
| 05:47.10 | krka | cool, norganna is here :) |
| 05:47.13 | krka | hey |
| 05:47.39 | krka|away | time to run to work |
| 05:47.43 | norganna | hi krka - had any more addons shut down by blizz? |
| 05:47.58 | norganna | bye :) |
| 05:48.14 | krka|away | nope, haven't done much new |
| 05:48.25 | zeeg | how am I arrogant |
| 05:48.31 | krka|away | and i will get pissed if they shut down my highlighter :( |
| 05:48.33 | zeeg | you're rather a dick ;) |
| 05:48.53 | norganna | have fun at work krka |
| 05:49.06 | krka|away | thanks |
| 05:49.51 | Kalroth | wereHamster: gah, it's the downloader I got that it doesn't like |
| 05:49.59 | Kalroth | wereHamster: so ignore the link I gave you |
| 05:50.02 | ckknight | zeeg, you point fingers and boast unneedlessly |
| 05:50.39 | zeeg | what am i boasting about |
| 05:50.51 | zeeg | and what am i pointing fingers at |
| 05:53.39 | norganna | Zeeg - this page is turning out good! |
| 05:54.08 | zeeg | thanks |
| 05:54.13 | zeeg | and for the help :) |
| 05:54.22 | zeeg | takes forever to type up the schema |
| 05:54.25 | zeeg | spell database is gonna be horrible |
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| 05:54.43 | s|loup | hi |
| 05:55.30 | zeeg | howdy |
| 05:55.44 | wereHamster | Kalroth, the repair tool doesn't download the new downloader.exe :(3 |
| 05:55.52 | Kalroth | nope :( |
| 05:56.04 | Kalroth | it does fix it though |
| 05:56.06 | Kalroth | heh |
| 05:56.12 | Kalroth | it did for me |
| 05:56.33 | wereHamster | my doenloadder.exe is 0 bytes big |
| 05:57.08 | Kalroth | that's really odd, I ran the repair util, file check only |
| 05:57.14 | Kalroth | it then said it fixed my wow .. and it did |
| 05:58.07 | wereHamster | the repair tool says: "downloading ..." at 0kb/s |
| 05:58.24 | Kalroth | super green speed |
| 05:59.36 | Esamynn | night all |
| 05:59.42 | wereHamster | night |
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| 06:13.14 | MentalPower | night folks |
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| 06:22.19 | zeeg | wow that's harsh |
| 06:22.23 | zeeg | i had a bug w/ the UI mod submission system |
| 06:22.31 | zeeg | no wonder no ones submitted a new mod in a couple weeks |
| 06:22.39 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 06:23.01 | zeeg | pretty much |
| 06:23.02 | zeeg | :p |
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| 06:30.12 | norganna | zeeg - did up column 11 for ya |
| 06:30.32 | zeeg | hehe |
| 06:30.33 | zeeg | Type Types |
| 06:30.43 | Elkano | good (whatever) :) |
| 06:31.12 | zeeg | ah thats what that is? |
| 06:31.24 | zeeg | sweet |
| 06:31.29 | zeeg | i changed it to Item Types btw |
| 06:31.40 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Applications |
| 06:31.41 | zeeg | add that also |
| 06:32.19 | norganna | kk |
| 06:32.37 | zeeg | err |
| 06:32.37 | zeeg | added |
| 06:33.23 | norganna | anyhow - time to head home |
| 06:33.29 | norganna | cya all |
| 06:33.38 | zeeg | later |
| 06:40.25 | zeeg | http://www.digg.com/gaming/World_of_Warcraft_-_New_Development_Wiki |
| 06:40.28 | zeeg | digg it if you will :) |
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| 06:54.02 | Kemayo | Okay, I realize that this might be a bit naive of me... but why a new wiki instead of WoWWiki where everything else is? |
| 06:55.45 | zeeg | 1) blizzard doesnt like this |
| 06:55.55 | zeeg | 2) i dont run wowwiki, and this is all information ive taken loads of time to gather |
| 06:56.02 | Elkano | I wonder how long it will take until blizzard will keep up with their event calendar... |
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| 07:04.18 | krka|work | grrr... i so want to test my indenter :( have to wait till tonight |
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| 07:47.57 | krka|work | hey Ktron |
| 07:48.06 | krka|work | i am almost done with my new indenter |
| 07:48.21 | krka|work | one thing that's missing is restoring caret position |
| 07:51.27 | Elviso | hey zeeg |
| 08:02.03 | zeeg | hey |
| 08:02.16 | Elviso | what was the name of the spell DB site |
| 08:02.21 | Elviso | that got moved to wowguru? |
| 08:02.36 | zeeg | wowrunes? |
| 08:02.45 | Elviso | yeah tahts it |
| 08:02.56 | Elviso | been trying to think of it for 30m now and it was driving me crazy |
| 08:03.36 | Elviso | uh, what happened to it? |
| 08:03.41 | zeeg | they took it down |
| 08:03.44 | zeeg | they're giving me their zg guide |
| 08:03.46 | zeeg | but ill bbiab |
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| 09:16.17 | Elviso | lol egt a load of this: http://pacifistguild.org/media/upload/300kdps.jpg |
| 09:16.39 | Elviso | s/egt/get |
| 09:16.52 | Elviso | s/get/egt |
| 09:16.55 | Elviso | purl hates me |
| 09:16.57 | purl | yes. |
| 09:17.02 | Elviso | !!! |
| 09:17.06 | Maldivia | it's: s/egt/get/ <-- trailing slash |
| 09:17.12 | Elviso | oh ty |
| 09:17.50 | Maldivia | but mages can't dps... isn't that the common cry on the forums ? |
| 09:18.33 | Maldivia | but... hmm, are all those bugs there, or? |
| 09:20.58 | Elviso | I believe so, I don't know the author though |
| 09:28.17 | wereHamster | a frame manager, similar to sticky frames: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/frame-manager.png |
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| 09:35.53 | zenzelezz | bah... I hate it when a mob bugs up |
| 09:38.33 | Maldivia | evade bug ? |
| 09:39.25 | zenzelezz | no... I was getting damage text over the mob, but its portrait didn't show any indication of my debuffs or damage, so I tossed Hamstring and ran... it never moved, yet killed me when I was well out of the distance where it would normally give up and turn back |
| 09:39.52 | Maldivia | ahh, that bug |
| 09:43.54 | zenzelezz | I'm seeing some other strange behaviour... "You hit Desert Rumbler for 186. \n Your Deep Wound failed. Desert Rumbler is immune. \n Your Heroic Strike hits Desert Rumbler for 273." |
| 09:45.32 | zenzelezz | it doesn't happen all the time, but it seems like sometimes it thinks Heroic Strike (not sure about other abilities) crits when they actually don't |
| 09:47.58 | zenzelezz | the 1.10.1 patch notes mentioned something about Deep Wounds and on-next-swing attacks... wonder if they overdid the fix |
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| 09:50.51 | zenzelezz | I should test this on mobs that can bleed |
| 10:05.27 | zenzelezz | seeing it on Cleave too |
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| 10:45.49 | s|loup | hm 1.10.1 bug is that cosmos users cant right click? oO |
| 10:46.00 | krka|work | i wonder how expensive this indentation thing will be |
| 10:46.16 | s|loup | what does cosmos with right mouse button do? |
| 10:47.18 | Maldivia | krka: run it in an OnUpdate, and see how many fsp you drop... :9 |
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| 10:49.12 | zenzelezz | "Your Heroic Strike hits Twilight Avenger for 302. \n Twilight Avenger is afflicted by Deep Wounds." |
| 11:01.44 | s|loup | looks like its TackleBox what creates the failure in cosmosui with 1.10.1 |
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| 11:29.14 | Shouryuu_ | arrghhh |
| 11:29.41 | Shouryuu_ | print(string.find(100,(%d+))) should print 100 right? |
| 11:30.02 | wereHamster | 100 is not a string |
| 11:30.38 | Shouryuu_ | If 100 were "Bob heals you for 100", it would print 100? |
| 11:30.56 | wereHamster | lua -e 'print(string.find("100","(%d+)"))' |
| 11:31.00 | wereHamster | 1 3 100 |
| 11:32.12 | krka|work | the third return value would be 100 yes |
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| 11:33.24 | Shouryuu_ | I need to work on my string.find... |
| 11:33.53 | krka|work | lua.org is your friend |
| 11:34.38 | Shouryuu_ | I've already met my friend :P |
| 11:35.35 | Osagasu | I know the damned name is in use |
| 11:35.41 | Osagasu | thats why I ghosted it |
| 11:39.35 | Elviso | whoa, I just installed xchat and I like it already |
| 11:50.04 | krka|work | xchat is nice |
| 11:51.06 | Wobin_ | I have issues sometimes with screen update |
| 11:56.19 | Maldivia | well, that's not xchat's fault, that's gtk |
| 12:02.09 | Elviso | I only have 2 things I dont like about it so far |
| 12:02.28 | Elviso | It doesn't look like I can save logs to a specified dir |
| 12:02.45 | Elviso | and I don't know how to make it open links in my browser on dbl-click |
| 12:04.05 | wereHamster | I have ported the Perl Classic unit frames and my raid addon (beyondRaid) to IFrameManager: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/frame-manager.png the sticky frames are highly addictive :-P |
| 12:05.43 | zenzelezz | Elviso: not sure about double-click, but it should have a right-click for URLs |
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| 12:13.02 | Josh_Borke | morning :-) |
| 12:13.19 | wereHamster | morning |
| 12:32.54 | Elkano | morning :) |
| 12:34.13 | Elviso | zenzelezz: I noticed that, and I think I'll like it better |
| 12:34.24 | Elviso | since it'll be easier to copy URL's |
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| 12:41.51 | Elviso | hello world! |
| 12:42.42 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.34 | Elviso | damnit |
| 13:09.56 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 13:10.20 | Elviso | in xchat, it did have the tree on the left organized by server |
| 13:10.42 | Elviso | now it's not showing the server, but just the 1st channel I connect to as the root |
| 13:10.44 | Josh_Borke | Maldivia: eh? |
| 13:11.19 | zenzelezz | yes? |
| 13:12.07 | Maldivia | josh ? |
| 13:12.20 | zenzelezz | afraid I can't be of any help with that Elviso, I use the old layout (not tree) |
| 13:12.31 | Maldivia | Elviso: that's because you closed the server status window |
| 13:12.34 | Josh_Borke | Maldivia: the C'thun changes :-) it'll be nice to see how it pans out |
| 13:12.58 | Maldivia | Josh_Borke: lets see if there's a world first announcement later this week |
| 13:13.11 | Elviso | Maldivia, I've restarted xchat several times and it didn't reset....any idea how to fix? |
| 13:14.10 | Maldivia | hmm, perhaps the "Server tab" settings, under Options->Tabs + |
| 13:17.37 | Elviso | hrmm I don't see a server tab in any of these 3 options dialogs....that's ok, i'll figure it out |
| 13:20.56 | Maldivia | Settings -> Preferences |
| 13:21.01 | Maldivia | Interface -> Tabs |
| 13:21.12 | Maldivia | There are som "Open an extra trab for server messages" option |
| 13:21.31 | Maldivia | don't know if that will fix the problem for you |
| 13:21.36 | Elviso | ohhhhh....thx I bet it will |
| 13:21.54 | Elviso | brb |
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| 13:22.11 | Elviso | Maldivia :D |
| 13:22.36 | Maldivia | I figure it did ? |
| 13:22.58 | Elviso | yep |
| 13:23.15 | Elviso | I forgot I had changed that option |
| 13:23.38 | Maldivia | btw, whoms build are you using ? |
| 13:24.32 | Elviso | just the one from xchat.org.....I run windows |
| 13:25.33 | Maldivia | so you have his gimpled windows version, that requires registration |
| 13:27.04 | Elviso | It doesn't require registering that I know of |
| 13:27.24 | Elviso | and I haven't found a better alternative |
| 13:27.36 | zenzelezz | "You may use X-Chat for Windows for free for 30 days. If, after this time, you would like to continue using the product, you are required to register." |
| 13:27.49 | Maldivia | http://www.silverex.org/ or http://xchat-win32.berlios.de/ for the free builds ofr XChat for windows |
| 13:27.57 | zenzelezz | http://www.silverex.org/download/ <-- free X-Chat for Windows build |
| 13:28.03 | Miravlix | http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 13:28.17 | wereHamster | free xchat download: http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 13:29.12 | id` | irsso.org |
| 13:29.26 | id` | gnu.org/software/screen |
| 13:29.33 | id` | irssi.org* |
| 13:29.43 | Maldivia | telnet ftw! |
| 13:29.46 | id` | hmm that Phrik guy makes some nice addons |
| 13:30.01 | id` | Maldivia: for making a bot yes |
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| 13:30.26 | id` | Maldivia: though most scripting langues support objStream.toFile() or someting |
| 13:30.32 | id` | and then just readLine it |
| 13:30.33 | id` | :p |
| 13:31.35 | Elviso | damn |
| 13:31.44 | Maldivia2 | No CTCP response here :) |
| 13:31.57 | Maldivia2 | Telnet, hehe :) |
| 13:33.00 | Maldivia | id: I've made way too many irc bots/client/servers/services in my time :) |
| 13:36.29 | id` | Maldivia: :-) |
| 13:36.37 | id` | I do it in new languages to learn them |
| 13:36.53 | id` | I once found a python irc bot that was 2 lines of python |
| 13:37.04 | id` | (each line fitted in the screen) |
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| 13:45.01 | Elviso | sweet, it retained my settings switching to xchat2 |
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| 14:04.05 | Josh_Borke | hi |
| 14:05.04 | zenzelezz | greetings |
| 14:05.31 | Josh_Borke | xscreensaver bugged on me and crashed x :-( |
| 14:15.15 | Legorol^ | s|loup: That's correct, a stealth change in 1.10.1 messed up the hooking method TackleBox uses to hook right-clicks. |
| 14:15.24 | Legorol^ | The latest Cosmos Alpha has a fix |
| 14:15.32 | s|loup | k |
| 14:15.57 | Legorol^ | the fix in alpha is just a revert to an earlier version that wasn't using this method |
| 14:16.12 | Legorol^ | i wish i could work on fixing it properly, but EU still(!) hasn't updated to 1.10.1 |
| 14:16.26 | Legorol^ | this is like the longest i have seen EU and US be out of synch |
| 14:16.26 | Wobin_ | Still?! |
| 14:16.30 | Wobin_ | That's some time already |
| 14:16.55 | Legorol^ | yeah, today was 2nd maintenance window since US got it and afaik they still haven't pushed 1.10.1 |
| 14:17.18 | s|loup | [16:16:10] <Legorol^> i wish i could work on fixing it properly, but EU still(!) hasn't updated to 1.10.1 <-- eu got 1.10.1 hours ago |
| 14:17.26 | s|loup | 5hours |
| 14:17.42 | s|loup | as i can say eu got 1.10.1 |
| 14:18.01 | Legorol^ | oh! |
| 14:18.06 | Legorol^ | then why haven't i got it yet? |
| 14:18.11 | Maldivia | you haven |
| 14:18.12 | s|loup | i dont know |
| 14:18.17 | Maldivia | you haven't logged on at patched ? |
| 14:18.20 | Legorol^ | oh ooops, i haven't logged in since maintenance :D |
| 14:18.24 | s|loup | lol |
| 14:18.27 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:18.28 | Legorol^ | i thought maint. was yesterday |
| 14:18.31 | Legorol^ | bah, ignore me |
| 14:18.35 | Legorol^ | i am just confused as hell |
| 14:18.38 | s|loup | damn eastern ^^ |
| 14:19.09 | Legorol^ | oh i know what happened |
| 14:19.16 | Legorol^ | (reconstructuing events after the fact ftw) |
| 14:19.53 | Legorol^ | i was going to start dl-ing the patch and leave my comp running |
| 14:20.00 | Legorol^ | so i fired up wow, then exited |
| 14:20.03 | Legorol^ | forgot to type uname/pw :D |
| 14:20.07 | Legorol^ | i'm such a n00b |
| 14:21.13 | Maldivia | you dont have to type in user/pass to get the patch, you just have to type in something |
| 14:21.21 | Maldivia | version check is bere authentication check :) |
| 14:21.35 | Maldivia | s/bere/before/ |
| 14:23.00 | Elviso | i need a good wallpaper site |
| 14:23.55 | Tain | Sears sells a lot of wallpaper. |
| 14:24.06 | Elviso | so I can get past obsessing over the background img for xchat |
| 14:24.12 | Elviso | and get on to more important things |
| 14:24.18 | Elviso | like obsessing over the font colors |
| 14:27.43 | zenzelezz | wallpaper? As background for X-Chat? |
| 14:29.40 | Elviso | yes |
| 14:30.38 | zenzelezz | I still use All-Good-People-4 from, what was it... the BlueSteel theme from Enlightenment? Somehow it just looks good |
| 14:31.48 | Tain | I use a blank background so I can read what's being said. |
| 14:31.54 | Elviso | lost me there |
| 14:32.29 | Elviso | Tain, I just find a nice monotone bkgd, preferably with the graphical focus in the upper-left |
| 14:32.49 | zenzelezz | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/All-Good-People-4.bmp |
| 14:32.57 | zenzelezz | goes well with a greyish text color |
| 14:33.01 | Elviso | err I mean upper right |
| 14:36.39 | Maldivia | my xchat is very dark... very black :) |
| 14:37.35 | zenzelezz | black is too dark for me, and solid-color backgrounds just look... too dull ;) |
| 14:37.46 | Elviso | that's what I like too, light on dark contrasts |
| 14:38.07 | Elviso | I dont like solid black as much though, just something mostly dark |
| 14:38.55 | Maldivia | http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/scr2.png |
| 14:39.28 | Maldivia | and it's not pure black... but very dark grey :9 |
| 14:39.43 | Corrodias | and i use a light grey |
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| 14:43.01 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 14:43.37 | Tain | Wow. WoW looks amazing on my new 20" widescreen. |
| 14:44.29 | Maldivia | baah... |
| 14:45.25 | Cairenn | hey all |
| 14:45.38 | Cairenn | how is everyone today? |
| 14:46.16 | oxman | fine thanks |
| 14:46.20 | Maldivia | morning Cairenn :) |
| 14:46.38 | Maldivia | Cairenn: fine thanks... so fine that I'll log off, adn go home :9 |
| 14:46.46 | Cairenn | heh |
| 14:46.53 | id` | almost going home |
| 14:46.56 | id` | kickboxing \o/ |
| 14:47.47 | Maldivia | well, almost going home aswell, have to stop by a shop to get some stuff first : |
| 14:48.53 | Elviso | Maldivia, is that a *nix version of xchat? I like the buttons, but I dont know if I can do that w/my version |
| 14:49.06 | Maldivia | it's a windows version |
| 14:49.19 | Maldivia | just downloaded a different gtk application theme, and applied it |
| 14:51.10 | id` | \m/ >_< \m/ |
| 14:51.33 | id` | ownage! |
| 14:51.42 | id` | ^_______^ |
| 14:52.50 | Maldivia | Elviso, if you downloaded the silverex version, go to where you installed xchat, and to the lib folder, there's a gtk2_prefs app, run it to select from what's included |
| 14:53.07 | Elviso | oh cool |
| 14:53.11 | Maldivia | Elviso, or download some other themes, and extract them to share\themes |
| 14:53.51 | Maldivia | Elviso: gtk2 app themes can be found for instance here: http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/ |
| 14:54.23 | Maldivia | probably elsewhere aswell :9 |
| 14:54.46 | Elviso | you're most helpful, thanks |
| 14:55.38 | Maldivia | The theme I'm using is http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/566 - although I replaced the background image, the checked game me a headacke :) |
| 14:56.49 | Elviso | holy bejesus, there's alot of themes included |
| 14:57.10 | Maldivia | yeah, but most of them are grey, and look more or less the same |
| 14:58.03 | Maldivia | ohh bugger, and now I missed my bus, just saw it drive by the window... |
| 14:58.40 | Elviso | DOH |
| 14:59.21 | Maldivia | ohh well, another one will come in 10 minutes :) |
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| 15:00.19 | pato | ola |
| 15:00.27 | Josh_Borke | morning |
| 15:01.57 | Maldivia | any I'm off... later |
| 15:02.18 | pato | fuck you ALL THE MOTHER FUCKERS |
| 15:02.31 | zenzelezz | oh noes |
| 15:02.32 | pato | HORES |
| 15:02.32 | Maldivia | ohh my, what language... |
| 15:02.42 | zenzelezz | I think you misspelled horse |
| 15:02.44 | pato | YEh nigga ! |
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| 15:03.03 | Elviso | cyas Maldivia , thx again |
| 15:03.12 | Josh_Borke | oh, morning cairenn :-) |
| 15:03.17 | Cairenn | hey |
| 15:03.54 | zenzelezz | anyone ever seen Deep Wounds trigger on a non-critical hit? |
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| 15:10.42 | Kalroth | hi! |
| 15:10.54 | Cairenn | hey Kalroth :) how are you today? |
| 15:11.12 | Kalroth | Dandy! Still haven't been to bed, so high on coffee/coke :P |
| 15:11.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:12.06 | Josh_Borke | morning Kalroth! |
| 15:12.21 | Kalroth | moin Josh :) |
| 15:17.15 | oxman | :) |
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| 15:33.30 | Osagasu | Who was wonderinf what the Elder Scrolls scripting language was? |
| 15:33.39 | Osagasu | s/wonderinf/wondering/ |
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| 15:37.48 | Wobin_ | Osagasu: What is the ES scripting language? |
| 15:38.28 | Osagasu | Its based on BASIC |
| 15:38.33 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 15:39.11 | Osagasu | I think its a hold-over from the original game |
| 15:41.26 | Elkano | what are you talking about? and hi btw :) |
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| 15:47.18 | Adrine | Morning, folks |
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| 15:48.16 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: morning |
| 15:51.43 | wereHamster | morning |
| 15:52.16 | Osagasu | the Elder Scrolls scripting system |
| 15:52.21 | Osagasu | err |
| 15:52.28 | Osagasu | Elkano: ^--- |
| 15:52.49 | Elkano | ah, k :) |
| 15:53.30 | Elkano | hmm... we need more addons updateable via svn :( |
| 15:55.09 | Osagasu | do wha? |
| 15:57.21 | zenzio | <OnLoad> executes whether or not a frame is visible, right? |
| 15:57.36 | Cide | correct |
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| 15:57.39 | Cide | everything but OnUpdate does |
| 15:57.44 | zenzio | cheers |
| 16:02.24 | Ktron | morning |
| 16:02.40 | zenzio | greetings |
| 16:03.09 | Ktron | Anyone around who can help me with a little lua bug resolution? 'unfinished capture' isn't helping me figure out what I did wrong at all |
| 16:04.53 | Adrine | Sounds like a regex problem |
| 16:05.01 | Adrine | Like you're not closing a parentheses in a search string |
| 16:05.13 | Adrine | "(.+" for example |
| 16:05.22 | Adrine | Since ( opens a capture and needs a ) to close it. |
| 16:05.24 | Ktron | I think you got it |
| 16:07.21 | Wobin_ | Elkano: SVN makes updating addons so much easier, doesn't it? =) |
| 16:07.56 | Elkano | ctrl+a in addon folder and then svn update... done :) |
| 16:08.17 | Wobin_ | You using TortoiseSVN? |
| 16:08.19 | Elkano | but atm I only have the addons from the wowace svn |
| 16:08.20 | Ktron | blerch, codes not working at all :( |
| 16:08.20 | Elkano | yes |
| 16:08.22 | Ktron | ah welll |
| 16:08.31 | Wobin_ | Rightclick on the addon folder itself and choose update =) |
| 16:08.33 | Ktron | thanks again Adrine, catch everyone later |
| 16:11.27 | Adrine | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/flavahbeast/wearyourNR.gif |
| 16:11.29 | Adrine | Dahahaha. |
| 16:11.58 | Kalroth | More like "spread the *beeeeep* out!" :) |
| 16:13.33 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 16:14.29 | wereHamster | Adrine, is that real? |
| 16:14.40 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 16:15.08 | Ktron|afk | be interesting to know how much res that char has |
| 16:15.11 | wereHamster | I thought you only can resist 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100% |
| 16:15.27 | Kalroth | When C'Thun does his eye beam, it hits the first target for ~3k damage, then it travels to next target, hits for ~6k, then moving on to next target and hits for 12k |
| 16:15.44 | Kalroth | put 40 people in the same spot and it's going to hurt a lot in the end :) |
| 16:16.24 | Kalroth | that value is just a 100% resist that's badly rounded :) |
| 16:16.53 | Ktron|afk | I wonder what you NR has to be for that to happen |
| 16:17.06 | Adrine | In theory, as low as 1 |
| 16:17.17 | Adrine | But the chance to resist full damage would be really small. |
| 16:17.31 | Kalroth | Aye |
| 16:17.34 | Ktron|afk | that's a weird system |
| 16:17.43 | Kalroth | It's chance based :) |
| 16:17.46 | Adrine | Resistances work differently than armor - the more resistance you have, the better chance you have to resist 25/50/75/100% damage |
| 16:18.02 | Kalroth | That's also what makes the resist based fights really hard |
| 16:18.10 | wereHamster | 100%, so why was he hit with 1Nature samage? |
| 16:18.16 | Adrine | So if I have 1 FR, I have a small chance to resist 100% damage, but as I increase my FR, the bell curve shifts towards higher percentages of resists |
| 16:18.18 | Ktron|afk | I'm not sure if I approve or disapprove of resistances working like that |
| 16:18.22 | Adrine | Rounding error, likely |
| 16:18.28 | Kalroth | even with 315 resist you can still get unlucky and get hit several times for full damage |
| 16:19.21 | Adrine | Granted, with 315 resist the chances of that are stupidly small. |
| 16:19.30 | Kalroth | eg. on Huhuran I got ~280 NR, I still get hit for max damage some times .. and if it happens twice in a row, then I'm pretty much game over :) |
| 16:24.05 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: i'd say it's just a stupidly small as resisting 100% with say 50 Resistance :-) (perhaps my numbers are weird, but you get the point) |
| 16:28.25 | Adrine | You know. |
| 16:28.28 | Adrine | I read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4921690.stm |
| 16:28.33 | Adrine | And I got about 1.5 sentences in |
| 16:28.41 | Adrine | And then I looked at the picture and forgot to read the rest of the article. |
| 16:28.45 | Adrine | I just came back and read it. |
| 16:28.47 | Adrine | *shame* |
| 16:28.47 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 16:33.18 | Adrine | Interesting. |
| 16:33.27 | Adrine | They nerfed C'Thun. |
| 16:33.38 | Josh_Borke | i believe they 'tweaked' c'thun |
| 16:33.44 | Adrine | Heh. Interesting outcome after the thread deletion drama in the raid forums |
| 16:33.51 | Adrine | Well, I'm not saying it wasn't a needed nerf. |
| 16:34.00 | Adrine | But it's a nerf. Across-the-board damage decreases |
| 16:34.11 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 16:34.24 | Josh_Borke | though some of the things i would think are reasonable |
| 16:34.32 | Josh_Borke | like the stomach thing |
| 16:34.46 | Josh_Borke | (disclaimer, i have never set foot into AQ40) |
| 16:35.35 | Adrine | Well, from what I'd read, it was a mathematical impossibility to kill C'Thun before he killed you due to his damage output versus yours |
| 16:38.09 | Adrine | Granted, my experience in AQ is a messy death at the hands of the first boss with a bunch of new 60s in half greens, so I don't speak from experience. :) |
| 16:38.25 | Cide | well |
| 16:38.48 | Cide | it was possible, but there were so many random factors (mostly due to bugs), so the practical possibility was zero |
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| 16:40.56 | Josh_Borke | bugs being the factors they changed? (tentacles/eye while in stomach) |
| 16:41.08 | Cide | not sure about that |
| 16:41.19 | Cide | but with lower damage output, it'll be easier in any case |
| 16:41.24 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 16:42.02 | Adrine | I think the net summary was "super high damage from tentables + no cap on tentacle spawn + high HP on tentacles = this encounter is a weird anime porn movie and your raid is a schoolgirl" |
| 16:43.37 | Josh_Borke | with the changes, do you think he'll go down anytime soon? |
| 16:43.54 | Adrine | Depends on the magnitude of the changes, but if they made it managable, sure |
| 16:44.05 | Adrine | There are guilds that have been getting him to phase 2 for months now. |
| 16:45.19 | Adrine | I'd expect that if phase 2 is managable, then groups doing him will get past that fairly quickly |
| 16:45.27 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 16:45.36 | Adrine | And then we get to learn about phase 3, assuming there is one (I'm sure there is), and what bugs there are in it, and all that jazz. |
| 16:45.40 | Josh_Borke | c'thun and all of aq40 really sounds like a fun place |
| 16:46.42 | Adrine | We just downed Nef ourselves, so I'm hoping we'll start working on AQ40 sometime soon. |
| 16:46.42 | Josh_Borke | i've only seen mc so far :-( and after only running it maybe 5-10 times, i'm really bored with it |
| 16:46.42 | Adrine | What class? |
| 16:46.42 | Josh_Borke | paladin |
| 16:46.42 | Adrine | Hahahaha, yes, I can see why |
| 16:46.42 | Adrine | cleansecleansecleansecleansecleansecleansecleanserezcleansecleansecleansecleanse |
| 16:46.46 | Josh_Borke | i like to body pull trash until they yell at me |
| 16:46.58 | Adrine | MC is really boring, comparatively speaking |
| 16:47.10 | Adrine | BWL is a lot of fun. Very dynamic fights. |
| 16:47.13 | Josh_Borke | yea. like razorgore and vael sound like a lot of fun |
| 16:47.19 | Josh_Borke | exactyl, dynamic fights are what i'm looking for |
| 16:47.37 | Adrine | It's a lot more than tank-and-spank, really. |
| 16:47.49 | Adrine | The core element is there with every encounter, but there are nice touches to deal with |
| 16:47.59 | Josh_Borke | yea, so i've read |
| 16:48.30 | Adrine | Razorgore's zerg takes some getting used to first, then aggro management on Vael, then working together to clear the suppression room, dealing with tanks getting one-shot at Broodlord... |
| 16:48.42 | Adrine | Very frustrating at times, but so worth it when you clear the boss. |
| 16:48.52 | Adrine | Also, Firemaw can bite me. |
| 16:48.57 | Adrine | There is not a boss in the game I hate more. |
| 16:49.17 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 16:54.34 | wereHamster | Adrine, broodlord oneshot the tank? we've done him without flasks or any additional buffs ;) |
| 16:54.56 | Adrine | What's your MT's raidbuffed HP like? |
| 16:55.19 | Adrine | We've had ours around 7400 in half Might/half Wrath and a bad MS just blows him away |
| 16:55.54 | wereHamster | MTs have around 8-9k buffed.. |
| 16:56.05 | wereHamster | more 8 than 9 |
| 16:56.07 | Adrine | Maybe I'm disremembering. |
| 16:56.17 | Adrine | Or whatever. We clear him pretty easily with a flask. |
| 16:56.24 | Adrine | Our MTs aren't using the Blasted Lands buff, if you're counting that |
| 16:56.47 | wereHamster | it can get tough though.. 6k MS and then the nova right after it |
| 16:56.51 | Adrine | Right |
| 16:57.02 | Adrine | We actually soulstone our tanks for that fight. Heh. |
| 16:57.18 | wereHamster | and me being noob clicked the 'release spirit' button instead 'use soulstone' ;) |
| 16:57.24 | Adrine | I do that >_< |
| 16:57.30 | wereHamster | happens *a lot* to me |
| 16:59.32 | Adrine | For the most part, we don't have trouble with anyone but Firemaw anymore. |
| 16:59.38 | Adrine | But Firemaw...Firemaw can bite me. |
| 17:00.00 | Adrine | I don't know what it is about that fight, if our tanks are just off on the taunts, or what, but that gives us more trouble than any other fight in there. |
| 17:02.42 | Adrine | I hate Firemaw and want him to die in...err, a fire. |
| 17:10.06 | Wobin_ | feh |
| 17:10.13 | Wobin_ | MrPlow now updated on the -correct- SVN =P |
| 17:13.29 | Gryphen | how do you append a string? msg .= "more here" |
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| 17:16.16 | Wobin_ | .. |
| 17:16.17 | Adrine | msg = msg .. "more here" |
| 17:16.45 | Gryphen | thanks |
| 17:16.56 | Adrine | Mixing scripting languages is so bad for me |
| 17:17.03 | Adrine | I -always- try to concat in PHP using .. now. |
| 17:17.04 | Elkano | [1 hour ago] <Wobin_> Rightclick on the addon folder itself and choose update =) <-- not working since addon folder has no svn data :( |
| 17:17.17 | Gryphen | php is my main/only lang heh |
| 17:17.47 | Elkano | <? echo "hmm?" ?> |
| 17:17.55 | Adrine | Scripting-wise, I'm currently working in lua, php, python, lua, perl, and a bit of bash. |
| 17:18.01 | Adrine | So yeah. I tend to confuse myself a lot. |
| 17:18.24 | Adrine | I've been working in Lua and Python a lot, which tends to make me forget line-ending semicolons in PHP. |
| 17:18.38 | Adrine | And then I work in PHP a bit and come back to Lua and start prepending variables with "$" |
| 17:18.51 | Adrine | I've even done a few of these: if (condition) then ... } |
| 17:19.53 | Wobin_ | Elkano: You'll hvae to start off with "Checkout" to get the SVN data into your folder |
| 17:19.54 | Elkano | well, I often skip 'then' in lua :( |
| 17:20.15 | Elkano | but I don't want to co ALL wowace addons |
| 17:20.23 | Wobin_ | oh not -all- |
| 17:20.32 | Wobin_ | by 'addon' folder I mean a specific addon folder |
| 17:20.37 | Tain | If I'm doing a simple case if/then I leave out the last end in lua all the time. |
| 17:20.40 | Wobin_ | like AceGUI or something |
| 17:20.51 | Adrine | Tain: ditto |
| 17:21.10 | Wobin_ | I try and make myself put in the structure first, then fill in the rest =) |
| 17:21.19 | Tain | I actually end up sometimes typing my last end first and then going back. |
| 17:21.21 | Tain | Yeah haha |
| 17:21.40 | Wobin_ | at least gvim highlights for missing terms =) |
| 17:21.51 | Elkano | ok, Wobin_, i meant interface/addons/ when I was talkin about addon folder so we ment the same :) |
| 17:22.27 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/fun/WoWScrnShot_041906_191910.jpg |
| 17:22.32 | id` | just took this shot |
| 17:22.37 | Wobin_ | Yeah, I was referring to something like /interface/addons/AceGUI |
| 17:23.32 | Elkano | well, if you do a ctrl+a in the addons folder and then a udate on one of the svn addons it will update all at the same time :) |
| 17:23.33 | id` | phat lewt! |
| 17:23.40 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 17:24.05 | Wobin_ | id`: it looks weird to see a round minimap now =P |
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| 17:25.33 | id` | Wobin_: :P |
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| 17:25.38 | id` | Wobin_: ill get it in soon jeez :P |
| 17:25.43 | id` | (the square in idMinimap) |
| 17:25.53 | Wobin_ | Squeenix does it just fine |
| 17:26.04 | Wobin_ | No real need for you to include it |
| 17:26.59 | Tain | Square is so... square! |
| 17:27.17 | Wobin_ | You see a little bit more =) |
| 17:27.50 | Tain | Yes but it's ugly. Not like mine! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4398 |
| 17:28.03 | id` | Wobin_: sure there is |
| 17:28.29 | id` | Wobin_: i adopt it and then... i have it too! |
| 17:28.31 | id` | :P |
| 17:28.38 | id` | along with all the otehr stuff.. |
| 17:29.21 | Wobin_ | Wouldn't it be more accurate to call it "Tainted Minimap Squared Top"? =) |
| 17:29.23 | id` | and im saving a single frame too |
| 17:29.27 | id` | :P |
| 17:29.42 | Tain | No more or less accurate. |
| 17:30.38 | Wobin_ | Well, since the original is round =P |
| 17:30.51 | Tain | But the original isn't tainted!~ |
| 17:31.10 | Wobin_ | Was the Tainted original square? =) |
| 17:31.50 | Wobin_ | Cause you can equally say the unTainted minimap has a round bottom =P |
| 17:31.52 | Tain | Of course not, where's the aesthetics in squares? |
| 17:32.13 | Tain | I could say that, but since I made it I get to name it. |
| 17:33.20 | Wobin_ | Fair 'nuff =P |
| 17:35.00 | Adrine | Dahahaha. |
| 17:35.06 | Adrine | And [Nefarian] picked a name based on a word that means "infamous for extreme wickedness." The only difference between "Nefarian" and "xXDarkSoulSlayerXx" is that the former has apparently taken a high school Latin I course. |
| 17:35.27 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 17:42.57 | Cide | hmm |
| 17:43.30 | Cide | is there a way to set the width of a frame through anchors, and height using <Size>? |
| 17:43.55 | Adrine | Can you set the left and right anchors, and specify a size? |
| 17:44.04 | Adrine | I'd assume that setting left and right anchors would override horizontal size |
| 17:44.06 | Cide | I was thinking it would overwrite it |
| 17:44.12 | Cide | let me try, I guess |
| 17:44.52 | Adrine | I'd think as long as you aren't setting TOPLEFT and BOTTOMRIGHT anchors, you could affect sizes that aren't implied by anchors |
| 17:45.16 | Cide | possibly |
| 17:45.20 | Cide | we'll see soon! |
| 17:50.17 | Josh|Lunch | i would agree with Adrine that you could set the LEFT and RIGHT anchors and then specify a height |
| 17:53.43 | Josh|Lunch | so i encountered a weird thing last night: If I hook the PlayerFrame OnEnter and OnLeave, it doesn't get triggered if you go over the Mana/Health bars |
| 17:54.32 | wereHamster | do all frames under the mouse get OnEnter and OnLeave? or only the frame on top? |
| 17:55.02 | Adrine | If the health/mana bars receive mouse events, it's possible that they're consuming the events |
| 17:55.05 | Josh|Lunch | yea, i wondered if maybe it had to do with strata stuff |
| 17:55.27 | MentalPower | only yhe topmost frame with mouse handlers gets the mouse handlers called |
| 17:55.33 | Josh|Lunch | well, as soon as i left the mana/health bars, it triggered the PlayerFrame scripts |
| 17:59.05 | MentalPower | well the playerframe extends all the way around the mana/health bar frames |
| 17:59.15 | MentalPower | so thats to be expected |
| 18:05.51 | wereHamster | what do you think.. if I post a version with an endless loop in the OnLoad script named 'broken' on CG, how many will download it and complain? |
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| 18:06.18 | MentalPower | evil wereHamster, very evil |
| 18:06.27 | Wobin_ | ooh new needylist |
| 18:06.35 | MentalPower | users that go to curse are not very bright |
| 18:06.41 | wereHamster | I posted a 'debug' version on CG and someone complained 'it sucks, it prints so many messages to the chatframe' |
| 18:08.14 | Kirov | Yeah, if you get a weird bug reported on curse that you can't reproduce, you're basically shit out of luck. The worldofwar.net users might actually debug it themselves and tell you want's wrong. |
| 18:08.16 | Elkano | well, hamster, check the comments for my itemdb ^^ |
| 18:08.53 | Elkano | most of the people don't have read the description or readme :/ |
| 18:09.09 | wereHamster | .. let's see: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1576 |
| 18:10.04 | wereHamster | I will be rofl'ing as soon as I see the first download |
| 18:11.01 | Kirov | "you're latest download is broken! fix it!" |
| 18:12.34 | zenzio | "LF1M UBRS last boss! NEED mage warrior" -- don't we all need a mage-warrior |
| 18:12.48 | wereHamster | I've always found CG the easiest site to manage addons.. I never could find the 'upload new version' button on worldofwar |
| 18:13.56 | Elkano | well, I had mor probs with that on wowi in the beginning. but wowi's option to submit patches/addons to addons is also nice |
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| 18:17.47 | Elviso | wereHamster, no offense but your /commands could use some love! |
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| 18:28.51 | MentalPower | erm... yeah |
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| 18:30.17 | sarf|sleep | Hello peoples! |
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| 18:30.47 | sarf|stuff | Sorry if this has been asked, but has there been a change to how :SetUnitBuff / Debuff works? |
| 18:32.30 | Kirov | Not to my knowledge |
| 18:32.37 | Kirov | What's the issue you're experiencing? |
| 18:32.56 | sarf|stuff | ./run GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff("target",1); print(GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText()); |
| 18:33.00 | sarf|stuff | resulting in no output |
| 18:33.26 | Kirov | It's a change to the way tooltips work, not the SetUnitBuff |
| 18:33.45 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 18:33.49 | sarf|stuff | Can it be fixed? |
| 18:34.06 | sarf|stuff | and/or is it documented somewhere? ^^ |
| 18:34.12 | Kirov | GameTooltip:SetOwner(WorldFrame,"ANCHOR_NONE") GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff("target",1) print(GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText()) |
| 18:34.50 | Kirov | Any time a tooltip is hidden it needs to be reinitialized with a valid SetOwner call |
| 18:35.21 | Kirov | Else it doesn't update itself |
| 18:35.21 | sarf|stuff | Doing this:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE"); |
| 18:35.21 | sarf|stuff | does not qualify it for updating? |
| 18:35.34 | sarf|stuff | (I am normally using another tooltip than GameTooltip) |
| 18:35.36 | Elkano | wereHamster, wer's your 'rofl'? ;) |
| 18:35.38 | Cide | is the tooltip hidden? |
| 18:35.41 | sarf|stuff | <GameTooltip name="RogueButtonTooltip" frameStrata="TOOLTIP" hidden="true" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate"> |
| 18:35.41 | sarf|stuff | <OnLoad> |
| 18:35.42 | sarf|stuff | this:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE"); |
| 18:35.42 | sarf|stuff | </OnLoad> |
| 18:35.42 | sarf|stuff | </Scripts> |
| 18:35.43 | sarf|stuff | </GameTooltip> |
| 18:35.47 | sarf|stuff | Ah |
| 18:35.49 | sarf|stuff | my bad. |
| 18:35.52 | Kirov | What cide said |
| 18:36.02 | wereHamster | I was off.. diner :) |
| 18:36.08 | sarf|stuff | Later were :) |
| 18:36.10 | wereHamster | s/off/away/ |
| 18:36.35 | wereHamster | .. rofl.. 3 downloads |
| 18:37.16 | wereHamster | Elkano, I refuse to add slash-commands.. you don't reconfigure your addon that often, do you? |
| 18:37.37 | sarf|stuff | Query: How often must I update the SetAnchor? |
| 18:37.44 | sarf|stuff | Is OnLoad okay? |
| 18:38.01 | Kirov | SetOwner you mean |
| 18:38.05 | Elkano | this should go to Elviso, shouldn't it? ;) |
| 18:38.09 | MentalPower | OnLoad is ok, you just can't hide it ever |
| 18:38.09 | Kirov | And yes, SetOwner is ok |
| 18:38.14 | Kirov | er, onLoad |
| 18:39.32 | sarf|stuff | Is the fact that you can't have hidden="true" anymore a new fact after the 1.10.X patch? |
| 18:39.45 | Elviso | probably :) |
| 18:40.47 | Elviso | I just said that b/c typing something like |
| 18:40.49 | Elviso | script coolDownConfig.buttonDirection = "BottomUp" |
| 18:40.56 | Elviso | is a bit tedius, to say the least |
| 18:41.15 | sarf|stuff | Piffle! |
| 18:41.43 | sarf|stuff | (I'm currently working on a SarfOptions -> Khaos automated version maker currently, so take my comments with a grain of salt) |
| 18:44.56 | sarf|stuff | s/version/configuration |
| 18:45.01 | sarf|stuff | s/version/configuration/ |
| 18:45.04 | sarf|stuff | Aha! |
| 18:45.06 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
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| 18:47.55 | zenzio | "alpha" could in more "normal" terms be called "opacity", couldn't it? |
| 18:48.08 | Adrine | Correct |
| 18:48.32 | Adrine | The lower an alpha value, the more transparent a color is |
| 18:48.44 | Adrine | An alpha of 0 is transparent, and an alpha of 1 is opaque |
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| 18:49.56 | zenzio | gotcha |
| 18:50.16 | Maldivia | howdy |
| 18:50.43 | Josh|Lunch | hola |
| 18:51.56 | Wobin_ | Oh btw, Cairenn? The owl got named "Soze" =P |
| 18:51.57 | Elviso | lol Maldivia... |
| 18:52.06 | Elviso | I found a theme....but still working on a wallpaper |
| 18:52.14 | Maldivia | Elviso: hehe |
| 18:52.15 | Cairenn | Wobin_: rofl |
| 18:52.43 | Maldivia | Elviso: subterranian from digital blasphemy ? |
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| 18:53.54 | Kirov | Soze? lame |
| 18:54.01 | Wobin_ | Yeah =P |
| 18:54.10 | Elviso | that's nice, but I tend to lean more towards abstract |
| 18:55.19 | zenzio | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/xchat.png |
| 18:55.59 | Maldivia | Elviso: ohh, you have a DB login ? |
| 18:56.27 | Elviso | no, I just used their search to find it |
| 18:56.34 | Maldivia | OK |
| 18:56.35 | wereHamster | wow.. 8 downloads so far |
| 18:56.48 | Maldivia | well, it's nice and dark :) |
| 18:56.48 | Wobin_ | okay. opinions requested. I'm working on a 'bankstack' command for MrPlow, in which it scans your bank, then tries to move all items matching in your bags and restacks them. Now, would it make sense to do this on a bag by bag process only? ie, only move items that are in a bank bag to that specific bank bag? |
| 18:57.09 | Wobin_ | Since people would use it for like enchanting bags and so forth, I don't want the mats spilling into other bags |
| 18:57.28 | Wobin_ | wereHamster: Of your 'Broken' versoin? =) |
| 18:57.53 | wereHamster | yes |
| 18:59.30 | Elviso | Wobin_, for someone like me that'd be bad....I use bank/bagnon which just makes 1 big wondow for all the bags |
| 19:00.02 | Adrine | Wobin_: Sanity does that, if you want to cheat >_> |
| 19:00.07 | Elviso | so I have no concept of keeping things in bag.....is there not a way to detect tradeskill bags, or is it too tough? |
| 19:00.08 | Wobin_ | well not really... |
| 19:00.10 | Adrine | Also, if you come up with an efficient way of doing it, tell me please :D |
| 19:00.17 | Adrine | Because my way is an ugly ugly brute force hack |
| 19:00.19 | Wobin_ | CAuse it will detect tradeskills bags |
| 19:01.55 | Elviso | Adrine, how hard would 'processing' feedback be? |
| 19:02.00 | Wobin_ | at the moment, my concept is "scan the bankitems, save them in a table then scan bag items, move as many as there are free slots in the bag in the bank across and restack, then repeat the movement til either all items are moved across or all bankbags are full" |
| 19:02.25 | Adrine | Elviso: What kind of feedback? |
| 19:02.43 | Wobin_ | I think it's more that people who -are- using tradeskill bags won't want their stuff wandering around other bags |
| 19:02.53 | Elviso | about the compress progress, sometimes I'm afraid to move and not sure if it's finished |
| 19:02.56 | Adrine | Ooh, I see. Neat concept. |
| 19:03.09 | Adrine | Well, the "compressing" dialog should pop up |
| 19:03.24 | Adrine | And worst that'll happen is that you close the bank, it loses the drop target, and you just end up with an item on the cursor |
| 19:03.25 | Elviso | (afraid b/c I've heard horror stories of ppl deleting items on accident due to PickUpInvItem() and manual movement) |
| 19:03.56 | Adrine | Well, I'm just doing a pickup on the item and then a pickup on the target item, so if the target slot is no longer valid, the pickup (drop) will just fail and the item remains on the cursor |
| 19:04.08 | Elviso | hrmmm, i haven't noticed the "compressing" thing, maybe I just aren't that observant |
| 19:04.09 | Adrine | IIRC, you have to specifically destroy an item to actually delete it |
| 19:04.21 | Adrine | There should be a big "compressing" window that pops up when you hit the button |
| 19:04.26 | Wobin_ | well you'd get a dialog box |
| 19:04.36 | Adrine | I've done my very best to make sure Sanity is safe and won't delete things on you :) |
| 19:04.44 | Adrine | Also, need to find time to finish my rewrite |
| 19:04.53 | Adrine | Currently, it's a -lot- faster than the current 1.5 version |
| 19:05.08 | Wobin_ | hehe, if we get the GetInboxItemID you can convert to ItemIDs =) |
| 19:05.10 | Elviso | ah, well I know a rogue in my guild lost his BF gloves....actually it was that he accidently sold it to the vendor and didn't relaize it due to the addon |
| 19:05.37 | Wobin_ | How did that work out? =\ |
| 19:05.39 | Adrine | Wobin_: I tried that, but then I realized that makes you lose soulbound/enchant info |
| 19:05.51 | Elviso | he had to use one of his alotted item restores |
| 19:05.59 | Adrine | Which is important to me, so I'm just using the item:x:x:x:x string |
| 19:06.02 | Wobin_ | er maybe itemlink then? |
| 19:06.09 | Adrine | Actually, I think I'm using the whole link now |
| 19:06.16 | Adrine | There seemed to be problems when on other characters, IIRC |
| 19:06.18 | Adrine | I don't remember |
| 19:06.23 | Adrine | But it came out not-as-clean as I'd like. |
| 19:06.28 | Maldivia | Iriel ? |
| 19:06.43 | Elviso | Wobin_, " I think it's more that people who -are- using tradeskill bags won't want their stuff wandering around other bags" |
| 19:06.48 | Kemayo | Off topic: How does KungFu sound as the name of a skills plugin for FuBar? |
| 19:06.54 | Elviso | do you mean when the special bags fill up? or |
| 19:07.05 | Adrine | I should add a check to Sanity so that if you try to sell an item that is of Rare quality or higher, it prompts you. Toggleable, of course |
| 19:07.09 | Wobin_ | Kemayo: I like it =) |
| 19:07.41 | Wobin_ | Elviso: Well, if it's not bag specific, it could restack items outside of the tradeskills bags |
| 19:07.55 | Adrine | Wobin_: Do you ahve a good way to detect tradeskill bags? |
| 19:08.02 | Wobin_ | Absolutely =) |
| 19:08.02 | Adrine | Or are you just going by bag name? |
| 19:08.03 | Wobin_ | PT =) |
| 19:08.07 | Adrine | PT? |
| 19:08.09 | Wobin_ | itemid, really |
| 19:08.13 | Iriel | Maldivia ? |
| 19:08.16 | Elviso | periodic table I assume |
| 19:08.18 | Adrine | Aha. |
| 19:08.21 | Wobin_ | Yeah, PeriodicTable |
| 19:08.34 | Adrine | I need a way to detect tradeskill bags, quivers, and ammo pouches. |
| 19:08.40 | Wobin_ | You could just check the itemid of the bag with a local list |
| 19:08.42 | Adrine | Pretty much any bag that accepts specialized items. |
| 19:08.47 | Maldivia | Iriel: string in lua are stored internally in a table (controlled by lua), and the string variables are essencial just pointers in that table, right? |
| 19:09.16 | Iriel | Maldivia : Pretty much, yes |
| 19:09.23 | Wobin_ | if you grab a recent version of PeriodicTable, you'll be able to pull out what itemids you'll need |
| 19:09.29 | Maldivia | Iriel: meaning str1 == str2 is just a pointer comparison ? |
| 19:09.39 | Wobin_ | Although Tekk is working on an embedded version of PT |
| 19:09.46 | Adrine | Embedded would be nice |
| 19:09.47 | Iriel | Iriel : Pedantically it's an object type comparison (int vs int) then a pointer compare |
| 19:09.57 | Maldivia | *smirk* |
| 19:09.58 | Adrine | I have something of a dislike for required dependencies |
| 19:09.59 | Iriel | s/Iriel/Maldivia/ |
| 19:10.11 | Iriel | It's "way fast" tho 8-) |
| 19:10.17 | Wobin_ | This whole trend towards embedded libraries is a very good thing =) |
| 19:10.50 | Maldivia | Iriel: ok, I wrote a reply to someone on the forums, and then became in doubt, and saw you log on - who better to ask :) |
| 19:11.11 | Wobin_ | "Iriel: Font of Knowledge" |
| 19:11.18 | Iriel | Here's the code in question (abridged) |
| 19:11.20 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.22 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.27 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.03 | Elviso | is that JS? |
| 19:14.47 | Elkano | Wobin_, atm I'm planing some recoding for ItemDB to make implementation of some planed featuers easier and I think I'll add compost and metrognome when doing that ^^ |
| 19:14.58 | Iriel | That's C |
| 19:15.05 | Iriel | I skipped a bunch of lines however |
| 19:15.17 | Wobin_ | Elkano: They're really useful =) |
| 19:15.31 | Wobin_ | Certainly removed my Timex dependancy =) |
| 19:15.58 | Josh|Lunch | so where can we get a nice list of embedded libraries? |
| 19:16.20 | Wobin_ | hm, there's a section for the Ace ones on the ace forum |
| 19:16.26 | Ktron|afk | What's a one-sentence description of the kind of functionality Timex offers? |
| 19:16.37 | Elkano | well, compost has to prove it's usefullnes for ItemDB since I have large tables that aren't recreated that often but metrognome will remove at least one onupdate-only-frame |
| 19:16.46 | Wobin_ | Ktron|afk: one sec |
| 19:17.02 | Wobin_ | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/board,20.0.html |
| 19:17.03 | Maldivia | Iriel: thanks :) |
| 19:17.05 | Wobin_ | for the ace library link |
| 19:17.07 | Elkano | ktron, it's some kind of scheduler |
| 19:18.42 | Wobin_ | "Timex is a timer AddOn. The aim is to be as memory and cpu-efficient as possible." |
| 19:19.50 | Kemayo | Problem is, that one-sentence description makes me think of it as something like an egg-timer. Not what it actually is, which is a library for scheduling events. (I think. Right?) |
| 19:20.34 | Ktron|afk | Timer as in real time based, or timer as in events based? |
| 19:20.49 | Josh|Lunch | real time based |
| 19:21.42 | Ktron | Alright, so it wouldn't be the worst idea to think 'ace((cron + at) for WoW ) = Timex' |
| 19:21.49 | Maldivia | hmmm... xchat needs a per-channel highlight-exempt list |
| 19:22.21 | Ktron | Maldivia, as in 'things to no highlight in certain channels' or 'channels that don't get highlighted' |
| 19:22.27 | Ktron | s/no/not |
| 19:22.36 | Maldivia | Ktron: the first |
| 19:23.13 | Maldivia | Ktron: or just a per-network highlight list |
| 19:23.30 | Maldivia | Ktron: very useful, if you use different nicks on different networks |
| 19:23.39 | Ktron | what sort of highlighting is causing an issue? ah ha |
| 19:24.06 | Wobin_ | Kemayo: right |
| 19:24.37 | Elviso | Maldivia, I thought it was per-server |
| 19:25.18 | Maldivia | Elviso: well, yes it highlights on your current nick on that network, but there's an option for additional words to highlight on |
| 19:25.40 | Maldivia | Elviso: and that list is not network-specific |
| 19:25.47 | Elviso | ah, yeah |
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| 19:29.01 | Josh|Lunch | Wobin_: do the ace libraries still have the ace dependency? |
| 19:29.14 | Wobin_ | JoshBorke: No |
| 19:29.28 | Josh|Lunch | hm |
| 19:29.36 | Wobin_ | That would be somewhat counterproductive =) |
| 19:29.41 | Josh_Borke | indeed :-D |
| 19:29.53 | Wobin_ | plus I belive we're working on an embeddable Ace |
| 19:30.01 | Josh_Borke | that's cool |
| 19:30.17 | Josh_Borke | now, i'm just curious why this sort of thing wasn't possible before |
| 19:30.26 | wereHamster | yay .. 17 downloads |
| 19:30.43 | Iriel | What? Embedding? |
| 19:30.46 | Kirov | `heh |
| 19:30.48 | Wobin_ | It just took someone with a bit of different thinking =P |
| 19:31.02 | Josh_Borke | was there some technical aspect that was preventing us from having the same file names loaded, or was it we just didn't think of it sooner? |
| 19:31.03 | Iriel | It's always been possible, it just wasn't something many folks tried to do |
| 19:31.26 | Josh_Borke | ok, yea, that's what i was thinking. i remember looking at flexbar at one point, and it had a library it used for some table stuff |
| 19:31.35 | Iriel | Though we are now pushing the envelope on what you can DO in an embeddable library |
| 19:31.41 | Wobin_ | I think your template framework helped, by giving people a base to work from |
| 19:31.47 | Kirov | When people talked about it on the Ace forums, a lot of them cast off the idea as being against the Ace ideals. |
| 19:32.14 | Iriel | Getting the 'stub' right is a bit of a hurdle that may have discouraged some, i'm hoping that part I at least helped with |
| 19:32.14 | Wobin_ | Kirov: I'm not sure, really how the 'Ace ideals' would be that way.... |
| 19:32.31 | Kirov | Wobin - it was mainly Rowne |
| 19:32.32 | Kirov | he |
| 19:32.35 | Wobin_ | for me, the 'Ace ideals' are merely good coding practice |
| 19:32.35 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:32.43 | Wobin_ | Kirov: heh, explains a lot =P |
| 19:32.58 | Wobin_ | Rowne has written some good stuff... but I personally dislike his coding methods.... |
| 19:33.16 | Wobin_ | He takes obfuscation to an artform sometimes =P |
| 19:33.34 | Wobin_ | All with the cry "I saved 4 bytes of code!" |
| 19:33.49 | Ktron | So, for some reason j is staying nil after this code and I'm not seeing why... http://wow.pastebin.com/669924 |
| 19:34.08 | Wobin_ | Meanwhile, the rest of us are going "So.. what's that variable do...?" |
| 19:34.34 | Maldivia | Ktron: stying nil, as in the "if j" check ? |
| 19:35.01 | Wobin_ | fsm? |
| 19:35.17 | Elviso | Iriel, for the uninformed (namely me), could you briefly comment on what isn't possible w/embeds? |
| 19:35.21 | Ktron | as in I for a if (j == nil) then print("bad") else print("good") end and I'm getting bad |
| 19:35.41 | Ktron | s/I for a/I have a/ |
| 19:35.49 | Josh_Borke | Ktron: make sure you are checking that in the for loop |
| 19:35.56 | Josh_Borke | otherwise j doesn't exist |
| 19:35.56 | Wobin_ | where is that line though, in the forloop? |
| 19:36.08 | Wobin_ | as it's local within that scope |
| 19:36.18 | Ktron | no, it isn't, damnit, you all win, I should have declared j outside.... thanks |
| 19:36.34 | Kemayo | Is there a performance penalty for using . in lua? |
| 19:36.47 | Wobin_ | as in womble.functionname()? |
| 19:36.50 | Kemayo | Indeed. |
| 19:36.52 | Wobin_ | no |
| 19:36.54 | Iriel | compared to what? |
| 19:37.02 | Iriel | compared to not using a table? |
| 19:37.04 | Wobin_ | womble:functionname() I assume |
| 19:37.05 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 19:37.12 | Iriel | or compared to [] or compared to : or something else? |
| 19:37.14 | Kemayo | Compared to 'local foo = womble.foo'. |
| 19:37.30 | Iriel | well, womble.foo is more expensive than the local reference |
| 19:37.30 | Iriel | yes |
| 19:37.34 | Wobin_ | well... possibly due to translation of syntactic sugar |
| 19:37.48 | Iriel | since womble.foo involves 2 table lookups |
| 19:37.59 | Wobin_ | mmm sugar |
| 19:38.01 | Iriel | "womble" from the global environment |
| 19:38.06 | Iriel | and "foo" from womble |
| 19:38.25 | Josh_Borke | so only perform that once when using the function more than once? |
| 19:39.10 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 19:39.23 | Wobin_ | once you have the local reference to the value, it's only one lookup |
| 19:39.45 | Josh_Borke | background: I am trying to make AutoBar show and fade when I mouse-over/leave the buttons problem: the AutoBar frame that the buttons are parented to is tiny question: how do I get the functionality to work? or do i just hook the OnEnter for each button? |
| 19:40.24 | Wobin_ | JB: You could overlay a frame that's the size of the visible bar...? |
| 19:41.31 | Iriel | local references are 'free' in the sense it's a pre-determined register hit. |
| 19:41.37 | Josh_Borke | but would mouse events still pass through? don't I have to EnableMouse on the frame to get OnEnter/OnLeave events? and then doesn't it have to be on top to be processed? |
| 19:41.57 | Iriel | I'd say if you're doing something "several times", then grab a local binding. It does depend of course on how often it's invoked |
| 19:42.25 | Iriel | Localizing everything can make code harder to maintain, so something that only runs once on say ADDON_LOADED isn't worth it, something that runs on UNIT_HEALTH may benefit |
| 19:42.46 | Josh_Borke | also debugging is harder :-9 |
| 19:42.49 | Wobin_ | JB: You could have the frame -under- the autobar |
| 19:43.22 | Iriel | Bear in mind OnEnter and OnLeave are ugly, too, if you're overlapped |
| 19:43.23 | Josh_Borke | Wobin_: but would the OnLeave get triggered when I enter AutoBar_Button1? since it is -above- the frame, and could have an OnEnter event? |
| 19:43.32 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 19:43.46 | Wobin_ | have the frame slightly larger than the autobarframe so there's an 'edge'? |
| 19:44.18 | Josh_Borke | yea, i could do it with coordinates |
| 19:44.43 | Josh_Borke | have it a few pixels larger than the frame on all sides, then on leave, make sure it is outside it's boundaries before triggering |
| 19:44.56 | Josh_Borke | that way i'm mostly sure i'll catch an OnEnter from a button |
| 19:45.38 | Iriel | OnLeave gets called when another frame gets OnEnter'd |
| 19:45.59 | Iriel | (Right before, IIRC) |
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| 19:46.22 | Wobin_ | hm so would that cause a problem? |
| 19:48.19 | Iriel | It depends on what you want |
| 19:48.45 | Iriel | do you want your bar to fade when someone mouses over something that overlaps it, but hasn't left the boundaries of your bar? |
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| 19:55.48 | Josh_Borke | not really, unless i have to. i don't really expect to have something overlapping the bar |
| 19:56.22 | Josh_Borke | Off-topic: anyone know of an embedded addon that handles SendChatMessage throttling? IE, i give it a channel and a message and it makes sure i don't get flooded offline? |
| 19:57.28 | sarf|stuff | ChatTraffic |
| 19:57.41 | sarf|stuff | But that's global chat message throttling |
| 19:58.11 | sarf|stuff | Sleep time! |
| 20:12.36 | Ktron | Woot, so that takes care of 1/3 of the work... now to get highlighting working and tabsizes |
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| 20:15.07 | Josh_Borke | he? |
| 20:15.14 | Josh_Borke | s/he/eh/ |
| 20:15.59 | Ktron | I've been plugging at this one project pretty crappily for a day or so now (that krka|away is probably finished) and it seems I finally am making some headway |
| 20:16.13 | wereHamster | I'm wondering what the people think when they download the 'broken/not working' version and see that it really doesn't work :-P |
| 20:16.28 | Josh_Borke | Ktron: you're working on the indent/color lua thing also? |
| 20:16.35 | Ktron | yep, why are you? |
| 20:16.44 | Josh_Borke | no, in addition to krka|away i mean :-) |
| 20:16.48 | Ktron | yep |
| 20:17.04 | Ktron | It seemed like a really interesting project, and I good way to really see how well I know LUA |
| 20:17.09 | Kemayo | So. I'm grabbing things from the skills pane (GetSkillLineInfo). And I don't want to get languages. It looks like the way to do this is to filter based on the header... but I'd like this to not need localization. "Languages" isn't in globalstrings.lua -- anyone have any idea if the game provides it anywhere? |
| 20:17.19 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: there's no changelog! :-( |
| 20:18.26 | wereHamster | for the broken version? |
| 20:18.33 | Josh_Borke | lol, yea |
| 20:19.02 | wereHamster | there is a changelog entry for each 'release' version ;) |
| 20:19.42 | wereHamster | and the changelog for the 'broken' version would be something like.. 'don't try it, it really doesn't work' :) |
| 20:20.05 | Ktron | in LUA, you'd never find do by itself, right? you can't have a do .... end loop, right? |
| 20:20.18 | Iriel | you can |
| 20:20.33 | Iriel | If you need a block for something you can just do do stuff end |
| 20:20.45 | Ktron | Iriel, okay, thanks Iriel |
| 20:21.37 | Josh_Borke | oh, so do .. end is like { } in C? |
| 20:21.50 | Iriel | more or less |
| 20:22.01 | wereHamster | Ktron, I've already used this code in one of my addons: if .. then .. else do break end |
| 20:22.25 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.29 | Ktron | wereHamster, wouldn't that have to be if ... then ... else do break end end? |
| 20:22.31 | wereHamster | or something similar |
| 20:22.49 | wereHamster | something that needed a 'do return end' |
| 20:23.09 | Ktron | wereHamster, wouldn't you need double ends? or am I wrong? |
| 20:23.33 | wereHamster | Ktron, yes, I was wrong |
| 20:23.59 | Josh_Borke | fyi, vertical mouse = weird |
| 20:24.06 | Josh_Borke | though surprisingly comfortable |
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| 20:25.37 | Ktron | wereHamster, heh, I was just worried, because that would seriously make the indent/color thing harder |
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| 20:26.44 | Kemayo | Affectionate cats are a pain. Especially when they show that affection by walking in circles on your lap and gnawing on your knuckles. |
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| 20:28.44 | Elviso | s/affectionate// |
| 20:28.47 | Elviso | :p |
| 20:30.59 | Kemayo | Fair. |
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| 20:41.44 | Ktron | (0) is true in LUA, right? |
| 20:41.54 | Adrine | Correct |
| 20:42.01 | Adrine | Only false and nil evaluate to false |
| 20:42.08 | Ktron | Kirov, thanks Adrine |
| 20:42.16 | Ktron | such a weird but kind of useful quirk |
| 20:42.25 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:42.41 | Kirov | tab complete ftl? |
| 20:43.36 | Ktron | Kirov, yeah, I didn't even notice that |
| 20:44.28 | [MoonWolf] | lua is full of things that make you wish other languages could do that |
| 20:44.56 | Kirov | lua is also full of things that make you wonder "why, dear god, why?!" |
| 20:44.57 | Ktron | too many k's in the channel |
| 20:45.06 | Kemayo | (Sorry.) |
| 20:45.06 | [MoonWolf] | mutlitple return values are one. |
| 20:45.54 | Uktron | now I'm the only u |
| 20:46.30 | Iriel | I have very few 'dear god why' moments |
| 20:46.45 | Iriel | I have some 'Hm, that sounds nasty' followed by 'Oh! They did that well' ones |
| 20:47.00 | NotKirov | Iriel - more syntax things |
| 20:47.05 | Adrine | "then" irritates me somewhat, and I kinda wish that variables were local by default, but other than that, not many complaints |
| 20:47.06 | NotKirov | end vs . } |
| 20:47.29 | Uktron | At first I thought you were going to try to take NotKirov and I down a notch |
| 20:47.37 | Josh_Borke | variables are global unless otherwise stated? |
| 20:47.37 | NotKirov | and the lack of += |
| 20:47.44 | Adrine | They are, JoshBorke |
| 20:47.53 | Uktron | Adrine, "then" in lua should be "do" |
| 20:47.56 | Adrine | I wish they were local by default. Just makes lazy code a bit less dangerous |
| 20:47.59 | Uktron | if ... do ... end |
| 20:48.07 | Adrine | Nah, then you'd get confused with loops |
| 20:48.17 | Iriel | The language grammar makes for an easy parser |
| 20:48.32 | Iriel | I'm fairly convinced a lot of decisions around structure are driven by that |
| 20:48.34 | Uktron | Adrine, why would we confuse it with loops? |
| 20:48.46 | Adrine | because loops are while/for ... do ... end |
| 20:48.57 | Uktron | replacing then with do I think would simplify the syntax |
| 20:49.11 | Wobin_ | JB: Vertical mouse? |
| 20:49.25 | Uktron | if/while/for ... do ... end and repeat should be do ... until ... end instead |
| 20:49.39 | Josh_Borke | Wobin_: yes http://www.safetype.com/safetype-mouse.htm |
| 20:49.41 | Kemayo | What's a good way to describe those skills which are either learnt or not -- like class or armor skills? |
| 20:49.53 | Wobin_ | alas |
| 20:49.55 | Wobin_ | Blocked |
| 20:49.57 | Kemayo | I've been using "boolean skills" internally... but that won't make sense to most people. |
| 20:50.06 | Uktron | heh, and you could combine them a little! if (this) do (stuff) until (that) end |
| 20:50.35 | Josh_Borke | Wobin_: what's an image site i can upload it to? |
| 20:50.38 | Uktron | if (this) do (stuff) until (that) elseif (otherthis) do (otherstuff) until (otherthat) ... |
| 20:50.56 | Wobin_ | JoshBorke: No matter =) Anonymouse.org to the rescue! =) |
| 20:51.01 | [MoonWolf] | Uktron, how about if () then while() then end end |
| 20:52.08 | Uktron | as long as we have one command that replaces repeat, do, and then, I don't care what the actual word is, but since there are already 'do end' loops and a 'then end' loop sounds a little more awkward, I think do is a better choice |
| 20:52.53 | [MoonWolf] | I think the code block identifier simply matches then end, so you would end up with if () do end |
| 20:52.58 | [MoonWolf] | wich is awkward too. |
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| 20:53.32 | Josh_Borke | so, no chat throttle library available? |
| 20:53.34 | Uktron | [MoonWolf], I missed the first part of your sentence |
| 20:53.54 | [MoonWolf] | it wasnt that important |
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| 20:54.17 | Shouryuu_ | rawr |
| 20:54.22 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:54.23 | [MoonWolf] | WOOF |
| 20:54.28 | Josh_Borke | oink |
| 20:54.29 | Wobin_ | JB: Not that I can think of off the top of my head |
| 20:54.32 | Uktron | but to me, "if you have flour, do make bread" sounds believeable |
| 20:55.16 | Gryphen | Josh_Borke did you look at ChatTraffic? |
| 20:55.24 | Uktron | more than "While something, then something"... then implies a sense of 'once', do doesn't really |
| 20:55.24 | [MoonWolf] | as long as the keyword for a code block is the only issue we should not make a fuss about it. |
| 20:55.40 | Uktron | it was just a musing |
| 20:55.53 | Josh_Borke | Gryphen: yes, but I don't want something that throttles all communications |
| 20:57.24 | Iriel | Note: this is valid: |
| 20:57.48 | Iriel | Ignore me, sorry, i'm typing faster than i'm thinking and you seem to have covered all the ground on keywords |
| 20:57.48 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 20:58.54 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 20:59.43 | Josh_Borke | bye guys |
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| 21:06.48 | Shadowd | Quick question. Anyone worked with PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST and checking if UnitIsCharmed( "player" ) before for Player/NPC Mind control? Can get control lost to trigger on MC but UnitIsCharmed seems to return false at that point still. |
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| 21:19.20 | NotKirov | Shadowd - haven't worked with it myself, but I seem to remember someone complaining about a similar issue with UnitIsOnTaxi() |
| 21:19.33 | kremonte | hey guys :) |
| 21:19.41 | kremonte | how's the day treating everybody? |
| 21:19.46 | Iriel | Is it an issue where the event fires BEFORE the flag triggers? |
| 21:19.58 | Iriel | And you have to use a subsequent OnUpdate to pick up the new value? |
| 21:20.05 | NotKirov | Iriel - yeah, seems to be |
| 21:20.24 | NotKirov | I don't think he's done an onupdate check though |
| 21:20.42 | Shadowd | sorry Iriel was in WSG |
| 21:21.25 | Shadowd | I havn't had much chance to test it but I know that UnitIsCharmed( "player" ); is working fine when I get MC'ed, but when PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST is triggered then UnitIsCharmed( "player" ) doesn't seem to be set to true yet, I havn't tried using an OnUpdate and check then yet. |
| 21:21.44 | Iriel | If you find that OnUpdate catches it, then it's worth reporting as an issue |
| 21:22.12 | Shadowd | An OnUpdate on the next frame update I take it, not a second later? |
| 21:23.50 | Iriel | Right |
| 21:23.55 | Iriel | the very next OnUpdate |
| 21:23.57 | Shadowd | alkright will go check it out |
| 21:24.04 | Shadowd | s/alkright/alright/ |
| 21:24.28 | Maldivia | .. |
| 21:25.24 | Shadowd | of course no guild priests are on, soo will have to wait till one logins |
| 21:28.29 | Wobin_ | Shadowd: What server? |
| 21:28.50 | Shadowd | Icecrown. But needs to be a level 30 priest |
| 21:29.23 | Wobin_ | and like long walks down the beach and fireside conversation... =) |
| 21:29.32 | Uktron | so, do we know whether its faster to say string.gsub("ace","c","bcd") or "string.sub("ace",0,1).."c".."d"..string.sub("ace",3,-1) |
| 21:29.41 | Uktron | err |
| 21:29.44 | Shadowd | well if you know a way to train Mind Control before level 30 i'm listening :p |
| 21:29.49 | Uktron | so, do we know whether its faster to say string.gsub("ace","c","bcd") or "string.sub("ace",0,1).."b".."c".."d"..string.sub("ace",3,-1) |
| 21:29.55 | Osagasu | Iriel, you have Civ 4, right? |
| 21:31.58 | NotKirov | ktron - your usage of sub is incorrect |
| 21:32.29 | Uktron | NotKirov, oh? |
| 21:32.56 | NotKirov | string.sub is inclusive. ie: string.sub("ace",1,1).."bcd"..string.sub("ace",3,3) |
| 21:33.12 | Uktron | well, ace might be longer than that |
| 21:33.17 | Uktron | er |
| 21:33.27 | Uktron | the string might be "aaaaceeeee" |
| 21:33.37 | Maldivia | string.sub(str, 0, 1) and string.sub(str, 1, 1) are the same |
| 21:34.00 | NotKirov | string.sub("aaaaaceeeee",1,5) |
| 21:34.19 | Uktron | Maldivia, well, I suppose I could have used a 1 in the first part, but that's not really wrong |
| 21:34.26 | NotKirov | Maldivia - only because lua is smart enough to know anything < 1 should be 1 |
| 21:35.11 | Uktron | Well, regardless, what I wrote wouldn't throw and error, and it would do what I expected it to do |
| 21:36.11 | NotKirov | not sure which is faster though |
| 21:37.08 | kremonte | would it be inefficient to have a small OnUpdate script that checks to make sure my pet didn't go on stay without a hardware event? |
| 21:37.53 | Iriel | Probably not |
| 21:38.01 | Maldivia | Uktron: of the first two you mentioned, gsub is the fastest |
| 21:38.02 | Iriel | OnUpdate is only evil if you try and do too much inside it |
| 21:38.14 | Uktron | Maldivia, alright, thanks |
| 21:38.18 | Iriel | Osagasu : Right |
| 21:38.18 | Osagasu | Iiiiriiiieeeelll |
| 21:38.21 | kremonte | i am the abuser of all things evil |
| 21:38.22 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 21:38.24 | kremonte | i will make onupdate evil. |
| 21:38.31 | Osagasu | The SDK is out and there's a new patch |
| 21:38.32 | Osagasu | :P |
| 21:38.39 | Maldivia | Uktron: also the easiest to read :) |
| 21:38.52 | Iriel | Osagasu : Cool, I needed an excuse to install it on my new laptop |
| 21:39.44 | Iriel | kremonte : It's not difficult to make OnUpdate evil 8-) |
| 21:39.49 | kremonte | quiet you! |
| 21:40.10 | Iriel | kremonte : I suggest you scan some tooltips every frame, and then submit your code to the cosmos team 8-) |
| 21:40.17 | kremonte | haha :p |
| 21:40.47 | Maldivia | this:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() this:GetScript("OnUpdate")() end) |
| 21:41.00 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:41.04 | kremonte | is that an endlessloop? ;p |
| 21:41.21 | kremonte | (dont know what getscript() does, but it seems self explanitory) |
| 21:42.49 | Iriel | Yes, that's an endless loop |
| 21:43.07 | Iriel | but only if 'this' is shown |
| 21:43.32 | Kirov | this:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() this:GetScript("OnUpdate") end) seems eviler |
| 21:43.40 | Iriel | not really |
| 21:43.45 | ckknight | that does nothing, Kirov |
| 21:43.45 | Iriel | that just wastes a bit of time |
| 21:43.56 | ckknight | this:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() this:GetScript("OnUpdate")() end) |
| 21:43.58 | ckknight | that's what you want |
| 21:44.22 | Kirov | Wouldin't it keep adding layers apon layers of function calls? |
| 21:44.25 | ckknight | yes |
| 21:44.29 | ckknight | horribly. |
| 21:44.35 | Iriel | Kirov : Yours wouldn't |
| 21:44.52 | Maldivia | until the C-engine kills it with a stack error, until next frame occurs, where it all happens again |
| 21:45.02 | ckknight | so would that do it exponentially or linearly? |
| 21:45.33 | ckknight | I'm thinking linearly |
| 21:45.37 | kremonte | looks linear |
| 21:45.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:45.53 | kremonte | going from a to b to a to b to a |
| 21:45.54 | kremonte | fun |
| 21:46.05 | kremonte | that's the first time i understood a comment in the channel containing the word "expontentially" |
| 21:47.03 | Iriel | Kirov : local heh; heh=function() local f = enumerateframes(); while (f) do if(f.GetScript and f:GetScript("OnUpdate")) then f:SetScript("OnUpdate", heh) return; end f=enumerateframes(f) end end SomeFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", heh); |
| 21:47.16 | Iriel | There's an amusing one |
| 21:47.42 | kremonte | ...wtf? :X |
| 21:47.44 | kremonte | that's scary |
| 21:48.25 | Iriel | I'd be curious to know what the FPS hit on that one is |
| 21:48.29 | kremonte | what does enumerateframes do? |
| 21:48.37 | Iriel | it enumerates frames, duh 8-) |
| 21:48.53 | kremonte | enumerate? i can't get the meaning from your context |
| 21:48.54 | Iriel | Except It's EnumerateFrames, so I typoed it 8-) |
| 21:48.58 | kremonte | you ambigious human being |
| 21:49.02 | Iriel | it's like next on tables |
| 21:49.08 | Maldivia | so, you're enumerating ALL frames, on ALL the frames OnUpdate handlers ? |
| 21:49.09 | kremonte | i don't use next on tables etierh |
| 21:49.10 | kremonte | ._. |
| 21:49.17 | Iriel | local heh; heh=function() local f = EnumerateFrames(); while (f) do if(f.GetScript and f:GetScript("OnUpdate")) then f:SetScript("OnUpdate", heh) return; end f=EnumerateFrames(f) end end SomeFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", heh); |
| 21:49.21 | Iriel | Corrected version. |
| 21:49.29 | Iriel | Okay, a = EnumerateFrames(b) |
| 21:49.34 | Iriel | a is the frame following b |
| 21:49.40 | Maldivia | Iriel: hmm, a quick guess, 0.001fps :) |
| 21:49.41 | Iriel | if b is nil, then a will be the first frame |
| 21:49.49 | Iriel | if b is the last frame, than a is nil |
| 21:50.23 | Iriel | Maldivia : Eventually on all, it'll take a bit of time to spread (though its infection rate should be exponential) |
| 21:50.50 | Maldivia | Iriel: why the GetScript check ? :) |
| 21:51.00 | Maldivia | the GetScript("OnUpdate") that is |
| 21:51.18 | Iriel | Grr, I missed an ==nil |
| 21:51.33 | Iriel | local heh; heh=function() local f = EnumerateFrames(); while (f) do if(f.GetScript and f:HasScript("OnUpdate") and f:GetScript("OnUpdate")==nil) then f:SetScript("OnUpdate", heh) return; end f=EnumerateFrames(f) end end SomeFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", heh); |
| 21:51.37 | wereHamster | Iriel, don't you have to add f:Show() to make sure the script gets invoked? |
| 21:51.38 | Iriel | There's a better version |
| 21:51.52 | Iriel | wereHamster : I'm sure there's enough visible frames that isn't necessary 8-) |
| 21:52.10 | Iriel | Imagine how mean it'd be to stick code like that on say, the trade frame |
| 21:52.33 | Iriel | (i..e SomeFrame is the trade frame) |
| 21:53.15 | wereHamster | did anyone already write a xml2lua converter? |
| 21:53.32 | Iriel | xml2lua? Err, no. |
| 21:53.42 | Iriel | I discussed it as a solution to the no-virtual-in-lua issue |
| 21:54.17 | Maldivia | also, currently not possible, since not all xml attributes are accessable in lua |
| 21:54.40 | Maldivia | Iriel: not trade frame... AlwaysUpFrame1 :) |
| 21:54.43 | Maldivia | go go BG killer |
| 21:56.59 | wereHamster | is it allowed to crate frames without a name in lua? |
| 21:59.36 | Maldivia | yes |
| 22:00.54 | Maldivia | local f = CreateFrame("Frame"); if you want it parented: local f = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent); (or f:SetParent(UIParent)) |
| 22:01.26 | wereHamster | thanks |
| 22:01.45 | Maldivia | ofcourse, replace "Frame" with the type you want :) |
| 22:03.50 | wereHamster | can a frame of type "Frame" call this:RegisterForClicks() ? |
| 22:04.01 | wereHamster | or is it only for "Button"s |
| 22:05.19 | Iriel | Button |
| 22:05.29 | Iriel | See http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 22:13.02 | zeeg | wiki is going good, thanks for everyone whos given their input! |
| 22:13.11 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Light.dbc |
| 22:13.41 | Adrine | Interesting. |
| 22:13.49 | wereHamster | do all children of a frame have to have a higher strata than their parent? or is it possible to have a parent above all of its children? |
| 22:14.17 | Iriel | No, Yes. |
| 22:14.31 | Iriel | And you mean FrameLevel |
| 22:14.50 | Iriel | By default I believe all children default to a higher FrameLevel than their parent |
| 22:14.51 | wereHamster | I though :SetFrameStrata("HIGH") so it ca catch all mouse clicks |
| 22:15.06 | Iriel | That will work |
| 22:15.41 | Iriel | though wont catch _ALL_ mouse clicks |
| 22:15.45 | Kirov | I don't really understand the whole framestrata vs. level thing |
| 22:15.45 | Iriel | TOOLTIP is the highest strata |
| 22:16.02 | Iriel | Strata are the 'most significant' ranking levels |
| 22:16.17 | Iriel | Everything in one strata shows up on top of everything in another |
| 22:16.21 | Iriel | But there are only 8 strata |
| 22:16.32 | Iriel | (well, technically 9, world frame has one for itself) |
| 22:16.44 | Iriel | Within a strata frames are ranked by FrameLevel |
| 22:16.54 | Iriel | that's just a number so it's considerably more flexible |
| 22:17.23 | Iriel | Frames with topLevel="true" automatically change their FrameLevel when clicked (or when :Raise() is called on them) above all the other frames |
| 22:18.08 | wereHamster | does the frame level in all 8 stratas begin from 1? |
| 22:18.23 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/How_UI_Is_Rendered |
| 22:18.31 | Iriel | I believe so, yes |
| 22:19.15 | Iriel | By default I think frames get self:SetFrameLevel(self:GetParent():GetFrameLevel()+1) |
| 22:22.03 | Kirov | buttons seem to be sorted by order of creation with in frames, so there might be a offset rather than just +1 |
| 22:22.30 | Kirov | ie: each child is self:GetParent():GetFrameLevel()+#ofChildren |
| 22:22.40 | Iriel | You can try /dump button:GetFrameLevel() to verify that |
| 22:23.55 | Kirov | though, same level frames might just get sorted by their order they were created. |
| 22:24.08 | Iriel | same level frames are supposed to be rendered together |
| 22:24.14 | Iriel | the order of rendering within a level is undefined |
| 22:24.35 | Kirov | I've never seen poly flickering though |
| 22:24.50 | Kirov | Which I would expect if there isn't any sorting at all |
| 22:25.02 | Iriel | Well, 'undefined' doesn't mean it changes |
| 22:25.09 | Iriel | Just that you can't predict what it'll be up front |
| 22:25.21 | Iriel | You can tell if things have varied frame levels or not based on the layer orderings |
| 22:25.37 | Iriel | if 2 overlapping buttons overlap cleanly then they're almost certainly on different frame levels |
| 22:26.58 | wereHamster | night... |
| 22:32.56 | Cairenn | night wereMouse|sleep |
| 22:37.39 | Adrine | " While it's not completely in-line with your dream parody, I do believe that you'll be happy to hear that in the next patch, the Dire Maul Librams will no longer be a requirement for the Zul'Gurub enchantments. Instead, a new item drop from either Bloodlord Mandokir or Jin'do the Hexxer, along with the class appropriate Voodoo doll will be all that is necessary, making these enchants much more accessible to players. We do plan to incorporate addition |
| 22:37.47 | Adrine | Thank god. |
| 22:38.39 | Kirov | *eiiii |
| 22:38.56 | Kirov | I'm not sure if I should be happy or really mad |
| 22:39.12 | Adrine | I have a kossack in my bank and have not been able to find a libram of rapidity |
| 22:39.16 | Adrine | So I'll just camp on it till 1.11 |
| 22:39.31 | Kirov | I have a kossack and a doll |
| 22:39.43 | Kirov | I had a libram from about 5 months ago |
| 22:39.48 | Kirov | probably more |
| 22:39.54 | Kirov | used it already for my head enchant |
| 22:45.19 | AnduinLothar | i pwned my rapidity for 600g on ah |
| 22:45.39 | krka | damn it |
| 22:45.47 | krka | too drunk to work on my indentation |
| 22:45.53 | krka | guess i should sleep instead |
| 22:46.11 | Shadowd | What was after the "We do plan to incorporate addition" part? |
| 22:46.30 | Shadowd | oh nevermind :p |
| 22:47.06 | Adrine | "We do plan to incorporate additional use for the Librams, but the specifics are yet to be determined." |
| 22:48.23 | Wobin_ | Adrine: Feh. I think I'm going to have to incorporate SplitContainerItem() to fill up partial stacks |
| 22:48.34 | Adrine | :/ |
| 22:48.45 | Adrine | I think I did that actually. |
| 22:48.49 | Wobin_ | In fact I might redo the current stacking code to use it |
| 22:48.58 | Wobin_ | at the moment I'm just using dumb stacking |
| 22:49.12 | Kirov | krka - damn it |
| 22:49.18 | Kirov | krka - what am I going to do at work now? |
| 22:50.05 | Shadowd | Iriel: UnitIsCharmed( "player" ) returns false on the next OnUpdate and on PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST, on PLAYER_CONTROL_GAINED UnitIsCharmed( "player" ) returns true. Same thing happens when tested 4 times. |
| 22:50.08 | krka | ... work? |
| 22:50.35 | Shadowd | used http://wow.pastebin.com/670314 to test |
| 22:51.31 | Shadowd | But it works for what I need I suppose |
| 22:52.10 | Iriel | shouldn't line 19 be checkForCharm = true? |
| 22:52.30 | Iriel | And does DebugFrame output to a chat frame? |
| 22:52.33 | Shadowd | yes |
| 22:53.17 | Shadowd | and yeah it should, didn't think to make it check again when control is restored. |
| 22:53.36 | Kirov | You've got to love development tools "Start it up, keep pressing OK till it crashes and it'll of worked" |
| 22:53.43 | Iriel | So you get: OnEvent (control lost) NOT Charmed; OnUpdate: not charmed? |
| 22:54.01 | Shadowd | OnEvent( control lost ) not charmed -> OnUpdate: not charmed -> OnEvent( control gained ): charmed |
| 22:55.06 | Iriel | Hm, how long does it take for it to go from not charmed to charmed? |
| 22:55.18 | Iriel | Can you set up an OnUpdate to notify you when the state changes? |
| 22:56.38 | Shadowd | sec |
| 22:57.54 | Shadowd | Priest who i was testing it with signed off, so i'd have to check later. But will modify it so it uses arg1 from OnUpdate to figure out how long it takes to change. |
| 22:59.35 | Iriel | I'd imagine just calling GetTime on transitions would be simpler code |
| 22:59.47 | Shadowd | oops :p |
| 23:00.08 | Shadowd | that it would |
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| 23:00.31 | Iriel | In fact you could just have an always-on OnUpdate that remembers the previous state of charmedness, and outputs a message every time it changes |
| 23:00.38 | Iriel | then stick a timestamp in the event ones, and you're set |
| 23:04.32 | Shadowd | Something like http://wow.pastebin.com/670334 ? |
| 23:07.22 | Iriel | More like http://wow.pastebin.com/670339 |
| 23:08.05 | Iriel | Except line 34 should be ~= instead of == |
| 23:08.49 | Shadowd | Alright will test it out once i can bribe another priest into testing |
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| 23:18.01 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+r] by ChanServ |
| 23:18.23 | Cairenn | hope everyone is registered :p |
| 23:18.44 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:18.59 | Kirov | anti-spam measure? |
| 23:19.14 | Wobin_ | How does the function 'next' work? |
| 23:19.25 | Cairenn | Kirov: yup |
| 23:19.29 | Wobin_ | that is, how would I use it to get the next value in a table in a table? |
| 23:20.20 | cladhaire | Iriel: What are your thoughts on requesting a conditional script load in the .toc based on localization. I know it can be easily done USING lua.. but those strings are still compiled to constants and reside in memory-- even if the code is never executed (due to the way files are loaded) |
| 23:21.34 | Iriel | You're trying to avoid the initial load? |
| 23:21.53 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:22.06 | Iriel | I'm not sure we'd do very well then |
| 23:22.07 | MentalPower | Cairenn: its +R (Caps) nor +r |
| 23:22.26 | MentalPower | s/nor/not/ |
| 23:22.35 | Iriel | If you just dont use them, they should be purged in the next garbage collection pass |
| 23:22.46 | Iriel | Or are you seeing something that implies this isn't the case? |
| 23:22.54 | cladhaire | Iriel: I'm not sure they are in that case-- but I have to do some more looking. |
| 23:23.07 | cladhaire | To take this literally: http://ace.pastebin.com/670345 |
| 23:23.16 | Iriel | If they're NOT then it has large implications for our embeddable libraries |
| 23:23.36 | cladhaire | I'm not sure how it applies to the techniques we've been using |
| 23:24.24 | Iriel | I believe lua prototypes are 'collectable' |
| 23:24.30 | cladhaire | But it seems to me that the function prototype is something that wouldn't be eligible for GC.. |
| 23:24.33 | cladhaire | That would help things =) |
| 23:24.39 | Iriel | Let me see if I can verify this |
| 23:24.51 | cladhaire | just trying to wrap my head around it all =) considering the implications :P |
| 23:24.54 | Iriel | Yes, they are |
| 23:25.07 | Iriel | If they weren't none of our embeddable releases would actually have released anything |
| 23:25.16 | Iriel | But prototypes are collectable objects, as are closures |
| 23:25.57 | cladhaire | Ok. |
| 23:25.58 | Iriel | The following things appear in the lua 'freeobj' function: |
| 23:26.11 | Iriel | Prototypes, Functions(AKA Closures), Upvalues, Tables, Threads, Strings, and Userdata |
| 23:26.24 | Iriel | (That's "full" userdata, I believe wow uses light userdata) |
| 23:27.07 | Iriel | Also, I believe that wow's runtime calls collectgarbage() after addons are all loaded |
| 23:27.07 | cladhaire | Thats my understanding as well |
| 23:27.43 | cladhaire | Ok, that makes me feel better-- bt I'm gonna play a bit either way =) |
| 23:28.47 | cladhaire | I suspect strings still stick around |
| 23:29.01 | Iriel | Why? |
| 23:29.19 | cladhaire | some testing Kergoth did.. and I want do to some observations of my own |
| 23:29.40 | Iriel | Are the tests documented? |
| 23:29.58 | cladhaire | trying to get em now, and work on my own examples. |
| 23:35.42 | MentalPower | Cairenn: did you read my previous message? |
| 23:36.01 | Cairenn | MentalPower: just saw it |
| 23:36.06 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+R] by Cairenn |
| 23:36.12 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-r] by Cairenn |
| 23:36.12 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+r] by ChanServ |
| 23:36.37 | MentalPower | +r I think is that the channel is registered |
| 23:36.42 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:37.37 | Maldivia | hmm, how many in here have registered their nick with nickserv, and authenticated :) |
| 23:38.00 | Cairenn | we'll find out, won't we? ;) |
| 23:38.09 | MentalPower | yeah, we'll find out |
| 23:38.12 | Maldivia | *and suddently, it was all so quiet* |
| 23:38.36 | ckknight | boo. |
| 23:38.37 | MentalPower | BTW, if you suddently can't speak, do /msg nickserv help |
| 23:38.47 | MentalPower | and register |
| 23:39.12 | Cide | or if you suddenly can't join :) |
| 23:39.55 | Maldivia | +R enforces auth to join ? |
| 23:40.01 | Gryphen | dont believe so |
| 23:40.14 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:40.31 | Cairenn | +R means you can't *talk* in the channel unless you are registered |
| 23:40.36 | ckknight | then what's +r? |
| 23:40.45 | Cairenn | registered |
| 23:40.51 | Cairenn | which this channel already was |
| 23:40.52 | Maldivia | I have auto-join on, but not Auto-auth (hate storing my password anywhere, even for non-sensitive passwords like I use here) |
| 23:40.56 | Cide | have to be authenticated to join? |
| 23:40.56 | MentalPower | +r means the channel is registered with ChanServ |
| 23:41.04 | Cide | ah, I dunno |
| 23:41.09 | Cide | don't ask me, I know nothing :) |
| 23:41.49 | Cairenn | Cide: nope, shouldn't have to be |
| 23:41.51 | Cairenn | just to talk |
| 23:41.55 | Maldivia | the server freenode uses is a form from hybrid-ircd, right? |
| 23:42.01 | Maldivia | fork* |
| 23:42.02 | Osagasu | har |
| 23:42.06 | Osagasu | WOW lag |
| 23:42.11 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 23:42.18 | Cairenn | only on temporarily until lilo tells us that the spammer is dealt with, then I'll take it back off |
| 23:42.30 | Cairenn | don't *really* want to have it turned on in a support channel |
| 23:43.19 | Maldivia | well, /mode +b can be very effective :) |
| 23:43.57 | Gryphen | if i have Message = "My message" and change the message with a slash command, how do i unset Message so it uses the default "My message"? |
| 23:44.33 | ckknight | you have to store it somewhere else in the mean time |
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| 23:47.29 | Shadowd | Iriel: http://www.subzerofx.com/wow/MC.jpg ( using http://wow.pastebin.com/670412 ) |
| 23:48.28 | Kirov | that's showing the event firing after the Unit function changes |
| 23:48.31 | Kirov | yes |
| 23:48.32 | Kirov | ? |
| 23:49.14 | Kirov | or is the Unit function return the oposite of what's expected |
| 23:49.33 | Shadowd | It's to test how long it takes UnitIsCharmed to change after an event. |
| 23:49.40 | Iriel | I read that as showing latency between the event fire and the UnitIsCharmed to update, yes. |
| 23:49.41 | Shadowd | After PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST and PLAYER_CONTROL_GAINED to be exact |
| 23:49.55 | Iriel | I'll post a forum tpoic |
| 23:49.59 | Shadowd | Alright |
| 23:50.28 | Shadowd | thanks, wasn't sure why it was doing that originally. |
| 23:55.21 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=363613 |
| 23:55.24 | Iriel | There's the thread |
| 23:56.21 | Shadowd | I guess technically due to the bug I can do what I needed too easier then if it was working correctly |
| 23:56.43 | Iriel | It may be an inherent limitation of the system rather than a bug |
| 23:57.18 | cladhaire | Iriel: It may go hand in hand with the combo point issue that's being resolved, but maybe not. |
| 23:57.38 | Shadowd | You mean combo points not being added as soon as you get them with a 1-2 second delay? |
| 23:58.16 | Iriel | Does the combo point one fire the event but not show the actual points for a while? |
| 23:59.22 | Shadowd | Havn't looked into what events fire or not, I just know that Seal Fate is currently bugged and takes a second or two to actually add the combo point. But thats just from reading Rogue forums, havn't been Seal fate specced for a while. |
