| 00:00.07 | Iriel | zespri: Ah yes, I'll get to it at some point, work is taking all of my fun time |
| 00:00.16 | Iriel | ckknight : FuBarGlueXP or FuBarXPGlue |
| 00:00.22 | Miravlix | It does support that an Embedded library loads after Sea is loaded |
| 00:00.23 | Iriel | or FuGlueXP |
| 00:00.35 | Tem | XPGlueFu |
| 00:00.40 | ckknight | it also handles Rep |
| 00:00.42 | Iriel | what if the embedded library loads before sea loads? |
| 00:00.57 | Miravlix | Then all hell breaks loss |
| 00:01.06 | ckknight | that's bad |
| 00:01.08 | Tem | so... |
| 00:01.08 | ckknight | that's really bad |
| 00:01.09 | Tem | fix that |
| 00:01.15 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 00:01.16 | Iriel | what if the embedded library loads but sea never loads? |
| 00:01.31 | Miravlix | Just include ## OptionalDeps: Sea and your all fine |
| 00:01.37 | Tem | meh |
| 00:01.38 | ckknight | modularize better |
| 00:01.41 | Tem | aye |
| 00:01.44 | ckknight | Miravlix, and if you don't have Sea? |
| 00:01.55 | Miravlix | Then there is no problem |
| 00:01.56 | ckknight | but have an embed |
| 00:02.07 | Miravlix | It's an OPTIONAL dependency |
| 00:02.11 | Iriel | sounds like sea could be improved then to be more tolerant |
| 00:02.11 | Miravlix | It can be there or not |
| 00:02.28 | Iriel | if X works without sea, then it shouldn't matter if sea comes along afterwards |
| 00:02.38 | Iriel | If you did your embedding right that shouldn't be an issue |
| 00:02.39 | Miravlix | SeaHooks and SeaSpellbook as implemented in Sea has no Embedding loading code |
| 00:03.06 | Miravlix | Sea does not support Embedding of itself. |
| 00:03.25 | cladhaire | Miravlix: Its quite simple. In the embed for SeaHooks and SeaSpellbook, they create their own Sea, then if the REAL Sea comes along, it uses the existing Sea to update its own references and roll on its merry own way. |
| 00:03.27 | Miravlix | It supports loading Embedded sub libraries of it's parts after it's loaded |
| 00:03.50 | Miravlix | It's quite simple that we don't want to do that due to how big Cosmos is |
| 00:03.56 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 00:03.57 | Iriel | Size means nothing here |
| 00:03.58 | cladhaire | its three lines |
| 00:04.00 | cladhaire | should iw rite it for you? |
| 00:04.03 | Miravlix | Every little bit of improvment. |
| 00:04.12 | Iriel | Dont give me that crap |
| 00:04.19 | cladhaire | Yeah, please. |
| 00:04.21 | Iriel | Cosmos isn't a pasture of unblemished efficiency |
| 00:04.34 | Miravlix | No, but we do try to be. |
| 00:04.45 | Iriel | Either you guys overlooked it, or were too lazy to implement it, any sense of 'efficiency' there is lost by its fragility |
| 00:04.56 | Gryphen | a lot of 'we' going on |
| 00:04.57 | Miravlix | It's an INTENTIONAL DESIGN DECISSION |
| 00:05.04 | cladhaire | then its a poor one. |
| 00:05.06 | ckknight | indoor voice |
| 00:05.23 | cladhaire | Are you ever willing to concede that something you (collective, not personal) have done is anything less than 100% correct? |
| 00:05.34 | Miravlix | AnduinLothar and the others established this standard |
| 00:05.52 | cladhaire | Before the discussion of embedded libraries even came up |
| 00:05.53 | cladhaire | I know, |
| 00:05.58 | cladhaire | Iriel and I were the ones having the discussion |
| 00:06.08 | cladhaire | I think the suggestion is that the framework you're using could be reviewed. |
| 00:06.08 | Miravlix | I just found out about it when I implemented SeaSpellbook and is following that codeing standard and I do agree with it. |
| 00:07.06 | Miravlix | I don't think it needs change |
| 00:07.34 | cladhaire | *shrug* then we can agree to disagree |
| 00:07.41 | ckknight | what if you have two embeds, SeaHooks and SeaSpellbook, but no Sea, would they overwrite each other? |
| 00:07.51 | ckknight | I'm agreeing with cladhaire on this one |
| 00:08.17 | ckknight | I've really taken the Embedded libs thing to heart |
| 00:08.33 | Iriel | There's no point making libary X embeddable if non-embedded instances of X can exist AND USE THE SAME NAMESPACE |
| 00:08.42 | cladhaire | Exactly |
| 00:09.03 | cladhaire | The WHOLE point, is that I can take library X.. customize it.. cahnge the major/minor version of it.. and run it in my own addon, without interfering ANYWHERE else. |
| 00:09.08 | Miravlix | It gives people the option to run with full Cosmos or stand alone |
| 00:09.28 | Iriel | so does 'the rest of us'es approach |
| 00:09.29 | cladhaire | an important option to say the least |
| 00:09.33 | cladhaire | But its very limited. |
| 00:09.41 | Iriel | except ours doesn't break if you load things out of intended sequence |
| 00:10.08 | Miravlix | I've used the same C lirbaries for 20 years now and they where 10 years old or so when I started using them |
| 00:10.26 | cladhaire | The fact that you defend something that Karl himself would likely consider an architecture change in seems ridiculous to me |
| 00:10.33 | Miravlix | I do not agree with your approch to constantlya nd violently changing libraries |
| 00:10.40 | cladhaire | wow. |
| 00:11.02 | Miravlix | cladhaire: Karl is the one implementing this and telling me about it. |
| 00:11.06 | cladhaire | That has nothing to do with it, whatsoever. |
| 00:11.23 | cladhaire | Miravlix: Really? I had no idea about it, I didn't work with him on optimizing Seahooks, or working on the embed logic at all |
| 00:11.32 | Miravlix | AnduinLothar = Karl |
| 00:11.37 | cladhaire | Yes. |
| 00:11.38 | cladhaire | I know. |
| 00:11.40 | cladhaire | it was sarcasm |
| 00:12.03 | Miravlix | Cosmos Dev lead, the Sea design is his decission |
| 00:12.07 | cladhaire | Jesus christ |
| 00:12.07 | cladhaire | I know |
| 00:12.09 | cladhaire | I talk to him |
| 00:12.10 | cladhaire | all the time |
| 00:12.12 | cladhaire | ok. |
| 00:12.45 | Miravlix | Then why would he change it? |
| 00:12.50 | cladhaire | Because he's reasonable. |
| 00:12.55 | Miravlix | I haven't been able to change his mind about this |
| 00:12.57 | cladhaire | he changed lots of things when we discussed it. |
| 00:13.08 | cladhaire | You don't have a very convincing personality in my experience |
| 00:14.06 | Miravlix | Hmm, why am I getting attacked for something the Cosmos team designed and decided without me being involved? |
| 00:14.40 | cladhaire | Because you are defending it blindly, when you're not the one who wrote it, and refuse to see any merit in the kind-hearted suggestions of people who have a lot of experience and expertise on the subject. |
| 00:15.13 | cladhaire | Iriel: Kergoth made one final change to AceLibrary (the stub we're using for just the embedded modules for Ace 2.0). He changed it so library instances can register with themselves as well-- in the case the stub itself needs to be upgrade. That should be a VERY VERY VERY VERY rare occurance, but it seems like a good idea to allow it. |
| 00:15.18 | Miravlix | I'm not defending it blidly |
| 00:15.31 | Miravlix | I very well know and understand the reason for the design. |
| 00:15.51 | cladhaire | Ok, have fun with it! |
| 00:15.56 | Iriel | cladhaire : That should be fine, as long as the contract and data structure of the stub never changes |
| 00:16.16 | Iriel | cladhaire : Fixing an implementation issue however would be okay |
| 00:17.14 | cladhaire | Iriel: One situation we ran into with the premature adoption of the method in AceHooks was the addition of a method to the AceLibrary implementation that newer versino of the embed would expect. This helps us cover that case (Since the entirety of AceLibrary is in the embed anyway) rather than just "adding" a method to the existing stub. |
| 00:17.41 | cladhaire | Again, something for very rare cases, but having it seems to be reasonable at this point. |
| 00:18.28 | Iriel | Are you talking about changing the stub or the library instance? |
| 00:18.42 | Iriel | My design kept the stub VERY simple, largely to avoid ever having to 'upgrade' it |
| 00:18.42 | cladhaire | Iriel: The stub in this specific case. |
| 00:19.00 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 00:19.51 | cladhaire | The only addition I made was the :Embed stuff that we discussed a while ago, and a way to identify conditional declaration of the library (something i'm stillnot convinced we need) |
| 00:20.44 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastebin.com/691401 specifically |
| 00:21.59 | ckknight | conditional declaration of a library is handy for not declaring privates |
| 00:22.04 | cladhaire | One problem I had was the arbitrary nature which versions were handled out. That being that if an addon didn't explicitly ask for a version, it was given whatever version was registered last, regardless of what that was. Rather than allow that, we require a specific version to be requested. |
| 00:22.19 | ckknight | good idea |
| 00:22.19 | Iriel | cladhaire : Mine did that already |
| 00:22.25 | cladhaire | ckknight: *nod*, but its just a GC/loading issue.. something I'm not concerned about in that context |
| 00:22.32 | ckknight | yea, yea |
| 00:22.50 | cladhaire | Iriel: You may have changed it after the initial rev, buif I remember correctly, the original code just tracked the last versino registered, and handed that out if a version wasn't specified. |
| 00:23.07 | Iriel | cladhaire : Yes, is that not what you mean"? |
| 00:23.19 | Iriel | cladhaire : Oh, I see REQUIRE 8-) |
| 00:23.24 | cladhaire | That's what we wanted to avoid =) |
| 00:23.41 | Iriel | cladhaire : I'm not convinced the optional thing was the _right_ solution |
| 00:23.53 | cladhaire | Iriel: Yeah, thats why we migrated away from it. |
| 00:23.59 | cladhaire | just something to consider |
| 00:24.07 | Iriel | though I updated all my build scripts to auto-generate my version numbers now |
| 00:24.21 | Iriel | and then they get populated in my code automatically at export/zip time |
| 00:24.26 | cladhaire | then the :Embed() for the inheritance issue we have, and NewVersion() to do a pre-registration version comparison. |
| 00:24.43 | cladhaire | Iriel: That's definitely the way to go =) |
| 00:24.52 | cladhaire | but tough to enforce in a general way |
| 00:25.04 | Iriel | cladhaire : True, but it's just for "my" version of things |
| 00:25.23 | Iriel | it's kinda neat, and catches whether i remembered to do a subversion commit before my build |
| 00:25.27 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:25.37 | cladhaire | Iriel: What are your thoughts on NewVersion()? |
| 00:25.53 | Iriel | I'm not sure it's necesary, but I understand the idea |
| 00:26.18 | Iriel | the activation step is my take on the same thing |
| 00:26.30 | Iriel | but that requires 1-2 levels of additional indentation |
| 00:27.00 | cladhaire | I hate the extra indentatino, but given some of the libraries (localization BabbleLib, etc) i understand the desire for it |
| 00:27.07 | cladhaire | Iriel: Random question #31782, How do you set up your basic wow stub, using emacs or your LUA environment itself? |
| 00:27.19 | cladhaire | i.e. setglobal, getglobal, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, etc. |
| 00:28.09 | Iriel | cladhaire : I have a small .lua_init file |
| 00:28.40 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/691411 |
| 00:28.45 | Iriel | That's an older version |
| 00:28.53 | Iriel | the newer one has some frame creation stubs |
| 00:28.58 | Iriel | but they're very stupid |
| 00:29.02 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:29.46 | Iriel | enough to validate invocation orders in my virtual frame code tho |
| 00:30.22 | cladhaire | that's good |
| 00:30.40 | cladhaire | i've been working on a general handler for CreateFrame that gives me what I need to run most code standalone, minus the details =) |
| 00:31.46 | Iriel | I just made a metatable that creates a dummy function every time it's invoked with what looks like a valid API call name |
| 00:31.54 | Iriel | [A-Z][a-zA-Z0-9]+ |
| 00:32.13 | Iriel | GetName being the one exception I made do something useful |
| 00:33.20 | Ktron | So, I've gotten every other function I need working now, all I need is help with this one last bit heh |
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| 00:43.47 | Elviso | So would this be considered a bug, or WAI: you put someone on auto-follow, reloadUI, and then when auto-follow is broken an error is thrown |
| 00:43.59 | Ktron | Too bad tekkub isn't around, I'm trying to find what part of Warmup.lua adds mousewheel support to the text frame |
| 00:44.04 | Iriel | what error? |
| 00:44.14 | Elviso | I can clearly see why in ZoneText.lua, but not sure if it's something I should bring to slouken's attention |
| 00:44.44 | Elviso | I don't remember exactly |
| 00:45.21 | Iriel | if the code is broken obviously, then yes, post a slouken post with the fix |
| 00:45.34 | Iriel | Or.. |
| 00:45.36 | Elviso | testing to get actual error |
| 00:47.53 | Elviso | Interface\FrameXML\ZoneText.lua:20: bad argument #2 to 'format' (string expected, got nil) |
| 00:49.24 | wereHamster | AutoFollowStatusText:SetText(format(TEXT(AUTOFOLLOWSTOP),this.unit)); |
| 00:52.00 | ckknight | okay, anybody know if it's possible to have the width of a texture be 1/4 of the width of another frame, without knowing the width of the frame, and having it change when the frame changes? |
| 00:52.09 | ckknight | change width, I mean |
| 00:52.17 | Iriel | ckknight : not that I know of |
| 00:52.21 | ckknight | blast. |
| 00:52.24 | Iriel | ckknight : Oh, actually yes |
| 00:52.27 | ckknight | oh? |
| 00:52.28 | Iriel | ckknight : But you wont like it |
| 00:52.31 | ckknight | hit me |
| 00:52.59 | Iriel | You'd need a 'dummy' texture anchored between TOPLEFT and TOP |
| 00:53.08 | Iriel | and then you'd anchor from it's midpoint to its edge |
| 00:53.12 | Iriel | 1/2 of 1/2 = 1/4 |
| 00:53.20 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:53.27 | ckknight | will do |
| 00:53.44 | Iriel | Of course, you still have the 'where' issue |
| 00:54.32 | Iriel | if you need this sub-texture at a specific location that isn't neatly aligned with one of the 1/4s of the frame it gets messier |
| 00:54.46 | Iriel | OnSizeChanged becomes your friend |
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| 00:57.52 | ckknight | it is neatly aligned, so all good |
| 01:05.52 | Elviso | Hrmm, I wonder if I've finally reached my WoW threshold. |
| 01:07.08 | Elviso | I only log on to raid (or test UI's) now, took a week off b/c I was sick of raiding, came back for a week and I'm already sick/bored of it again :\ |
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| 01:22.56 | Stylpe | Elviso, I know the feeling |
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| 02:48.37 | ckknight | Hey, I just wrote ExpRepGlueFu, it attaches your xp/rep bars to FuBar. Would people mind testing it? |
| 02:48.42 | ckknight | it's on ace's svn |
| 03:27.16 | ckknight | if someone can, would you mind uploading the recent FuBar stuff? |
| 03:27.24 | ckknight | err, approving |
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| 04:30.45 | Ktron | Hey everyone |
| 04:30.52 | Miravlix_ | G'day |
| 04:31.01 | Miravlix | Whats up? |
| 04:35.54 | Ktron | not too much |
| 04:36.11 | Ktron | In a moment, going to struggle with scrolling |
| 04:36.53 | Miravlix | Had a bit of trouble with that, trying to make a perfect QuestLogFrame statesaver |
| 04:37.52 | Ktron | I've got a minimap button, a frame that shows/hides, and a ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 04:38.25 | Ktron | and I've figured out how to add text to the ScrollingMessageFrame, but now I have to figure out how to enable with mousewheel scrolling or such |
| 04:40.26 | Miravlix | I'm on a roll today, seem to be commiting nothing but broken stuff to the Cosmos SVN. |
| 04:44.55 | Ktron | lol |
| 04:45.44 | Miravlix | Cosmos SVN is converted into Cosmos Alpha every hour, so thats not a good thing. :) |
| 04:48.36 | Ktron | scrolling is a pain heh heh;) |
| 04:49.15 | Miravlix | Isn't it just a call to FauxScrollframe or something? |
| 04:49.45 | Miravlix | It's more when you, as we had to, save a scrollframe and then later try to restore it, it gets tricky. |
| 04:51.43 | Miravlix | We had to set the scrollframe and scrollbar. |
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| 04:56.19 | Ktron | Heh, you don't understand, I've done next to zero xml |
| 04:56.32 | Ktron | I'm looking at some of the code for Warmup's frame |
| 04:56.33 | Miravlix | Me neither |
| 04:56.44 | Ktron | and I've basically stolen Warmup's frame and Atlas's button and pieced them together |
| 04:56.59 | Miravlix | Thats how I program. |
| 04:57.13 | Miravlix | Last project I started was 400 lines before I started codeing |
| 04:57.38 | Ktron | But in the process of stripping down Warmup's frames, I seem to have stripped out scrolling |
| 04:58.04 | ckknight | frame:EnableMouseWheel(true) |
| 04:58.28 | Ktron | Only need to call that once, right? I think there's more than that |
| 04:58.39 | Iriel | You need OnMouseWheel handlers too |
| 04:58.51 | Iriel | well, one handler |
| 04:59.27 | Ktron | give me a second and I'll show you what I think should work |
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| 05:08.23 | Miravlix | krka: Hmm, I've no problem with --[[ --[[ ]] ]] comments in emacs |
| 05:09.29 | ckknight | yea, how do I split up a string by newlines? |
| 05:09.33 | ckknight | I can't figure it quite out |
| 05:09.43 | ckknight | I want to run a function for every line, basically |
| 05:09.50 | ckknight | just can't figure out the string.gsub pattern |
| 05:09.54 | Iriel | something involving string.gfind would be easiest |
| 05:10.16 | ckknight | I see |
| 05:11.26 | Ktron | Any help I can get would be amazing... xml:: http://wow.pastebin.com/691685 and lua:: http://wow.pastebin.com/691686 |
| 05:11.28 | Wobin_ | hrm, there's no feasible way to prevent the lua sorting function from 'moving' two identical values, is there? I mean, it will attempt to compare them with less than, from both sides... |
| 05:11.38 | Iriel | Wobin_ : Correct |
| 05:11.45 | Wobin_ | Iriel: Alas =) |
| 05:11.56 | Iriel | Wobin_ : You'd have to implement your own stable sort, quicksort isn't stable |
| 05:12.07 | ckknight | um, if they're not identical, do a different sort |
| 05:12.10 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:12.16 | ckknight | you can provide your own sort function |
| 05:12.24 | Iriel | You can provide your own comparator |
| 05:12.27 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure if my sort would be more efficient though? |
| 05:12.30 | Iriel | You'd have to re-implement sort for a stable sort |
| 05:12.36 | Iriel | Yours wont be as efficient |
| 05:12.44 | Iriel | (in the general case) |
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| 05:13.02 | Iriel | But you could just find the most efficient stable sort you can locate and implement that |
| 05:13.26 | ckknight | Ktron, you never enable the mouse wheel |
| 05:13.35 | Ktron | whoops, one second |
| 05:13.41 | Ktron | that was the wrong version |
| 05:13.42 | Wobin_ | People will just have to live with MrPlow swapping identical items about. It shouldn't be -too- much of a problem, unless their inventory is soley consistant of cultist robes =P |
| 05:14.14 | Iriel | Add a hidden numeric value to every item |
| 05:14.19 | Iriel | set it to the original list position |
| 05:14.25 | Iriel | make it the weakest thing considered in your comparator |
| 05:14.35 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 05:14.40 | Wobin_ | I could |
| 05:14.57 | Wobin_ | I'm already comparing them as objects |
| 05:14.59 | Ktron | Here's the current LUA: http://wow.pastebin.com/691688 |
| 05:15.19 | Wobin_ | Woot, thank you Iriel, I'll look into that |
| 05:16.22 | Ktron | lol |
| 05:16.29 | Ktron | It works now, you people are incredible |
| 05:16.33 | Ktron | all you do is look and poof, it works |
| 05:24.43 | Elviso | I like how even in light of the recent discussions @ Curse-gaming, they still approve addons that state in the first line of their description, "I'm not the author of this addon, Ammo made this, I only posted it here." (referring to an ACE addon) |
| 05:26.26 | Wobin_ | Meh, I suspect they're working on the principle of "If the author doesn't complain, we won't do anything" |
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| 05:29.00 | Elviso | probably. I can see wanting to have as many addons as possible, but it seems like a bad idea to let just anyone post addons up. then again, it'd be hard to tell who the "true" author is, unless it's blantant like that one.. |
| 05:30.12 | haste | Elviso: necro(very long word) posted on curse now? |
| 05:31.05 | Miravlix_ | I submitted ColorCycle to wowi. |
| 05:31.06 | Elviso | I can check |
| 05:31.06 | haste | Elviso: I'm just pointing at your example :p |
| 05:31.06 | Elviso | oh, heh |
| 05:31.09 | haste | since you said ammo made this + Ace :p |
| 05:31.25 | Miravlix_ | I'm not the author of the addon, but what else can you do? |
| 05:31.25 | Wobin_ | We are now identified by our association with Ace =P |
| 05:31.25 | Elviso | that's for WitchHunt |
| 05:32.08 | haste | oh |
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| 05:34.16 | Miravlix_ | You could have an approval email inverview with anyone submitting stuff, but that would take forever to get things done. |
| 05:36.49 | Wobin_ | "Where were you coding on the night of the 15th?" *swings the overhead lamp |
| 05:36.52 | Wobin_ | * |
| 05:36.56 | haste | :-P |
| 05:37.33 | Elviso | or just an idiot box |
| 05:37.44 | Elviso | "click here if you are not the original author" |
| 05:37.47 | Elviso | lol |
| 05:38.02 | Depherios | lol |
| 05:38.07 | haste | make it a checkbox when posting the addon IMO. |
| 05:38.11 | Elviso | like a clerk asking someone if they're old enough to buy smokes/alcohol, and they say "no" |
| 05:38.26 | Depherios | they do at my work |
| 05:38.27 | haste | Are you the original author of this addon? [] Yes [] No |
| 05:38.40 | Miravlix_ | And what will happend if you say no? |
| 05:39.00 | haste | auto-decline, there is most likely a reason it's not posted. |
| 05:39.21 | Miravlix_ | I personally prefair hacking other peoples code, so most stuff I've been involved with hasn't been my work |
| 05:39.47 | Miravlix_ | That means no one is allowed to keep old addons alive? |
| 05:40.18 | Miravlix_ | No, Wardrobe, TitanPanel, etc. |
| 05:40.28 | haste | Okey, I change my answer a little: If no, it should at least be applied a reason why it's posted. |
| 05:40.34 | Miravlix_ | There is a million abandonware addons |
| 05:44.05 | Elviso | or, have "if this isn't your addon, please state why you are posting it below:" |
| 05:44.17 | Elviso | then they can say "it's abandoned!" |
| 05:45.01 | Elviso | p.s. I'd be 100% w/o Wardrobe or Titan |
| 05:46.44 | haste | (yes, fubar ftw / nothing) |
| 05:48.54 | Miravlix | It's a bit chaotic |
| 05:49.18 | Miravlix | Even if someone else comes and claims they have 'rights' to an addon how do you know they are telling the truth? |
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| 05:55.37 | Wobin_ | Well It'd have to be investigated to a certain extent I'm sure |
| 05:55.45 | Wobin_ | But I'd hope that would happen. |
| 05:56.01 | Wobin_ | If someone started uploading my addons to another site and claiming to be me, I'd be right upset |
| 05:56.17 | Wobin_ | Less for the addon upload, and more for the id theft =P |
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| 06:01.23 | Ktron | will this AddMessage each line of s? http://wow.pastebin.com/691725 |
| 06:02.19 | Wobin_ | ~lua string.gfind |
| 06:02.20 | purl | [lua string.gfind] string.gfind (s, pat) in that it returns an iterator function that, each time it is called, returns the next captures from pattern pat over string s. |
| 06:02.44 | Wobin_ | I'm fairly sure that's so |
| 06:02.53 | Wobin_ | You could run it in the lua interpreter to see |
| 06:02.57 | Ktron | that's true |
| 06:03.01 | Ktron | maybe I will |
| 06:04.00 | Wobin_ | Okay. |
| 06:04.08 | Ktron | bleh, nope |
| 06:04.09 | Wobin_ | Describe a stereotypical 'Australian' person for me |
| 06:04.25 | Ktron | I need to figure out how to write patterns better heh |
| 06:04.49 | Wobin_ | Ktron: Maybe .*? |
| 06:05.00 | Elviso | wtf |
| 06:05.07 | Elviso | I just got a prize in my cereal box |
| 06:05.15 | Wobin_ | Decoder ring? |
| 06:05.18 | Elviso | I thought that went out with saturday morning cartoons |
| 06:05.21 | Wobin_ | Can you tell us the secrets? |
| 06:05.35 | Elviso | I got a "footy buddy" |
| 06:05.40 | Wobin_ | SCORE! |
| 06:05.42 | Elviso | from Frosted Flakes |
| 06:05.54 | Wobin_ | I hope that's to do with football, and not just feet |
| 06:06.06 | Elviso | it's like a flay hackey-sack |
| 06:06.11 | Elviso | s/flay/flat/ |
| 06:06.54 | Ktron | Wobin_, yep, that worked better |
| 06:19.25 | Ktron | Anyone remember the name of the addon the 'hides' all the 'addon loaded' text? |
| 06:19.38 | Cairenn | Stop The Spam |
| 06:19.50 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4077 |
| 06:20.44 | Ktron | Cairenn, you win! |
| 06:20.51 | Ktron | Cairenn, you are the one and only Woman! |
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| 06:20.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:21.02 | Ktron | ~the_man |
| 06:21.03 | purl | the_man is probably Tain and Tem |
| 06:21.13 | haste | _and_ :p ? |
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| 06:24.41 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 06:26.56 | Wobin_ | wuf |
| 06:27.42 | Kalroth | ./chicken |
| 06:27.56 | Depherios | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.16 | haste | /guffaw |
| 06:28.22 | Cairenn | purr |
| 06:31.08 | AnduinLothar | sup peeps? |
| 06:31.45 | Kalroth | 1 cow, 1 dog, 1 chicken, 1 locomotive(?) and 1 joker(?) |
| 06:31.53 | Kalroth | oh and 1 cat! |
| 06:32.29 | Cairenn | purr |
| 06:34.40 | AnduinLothar | moo? |
| 06:36.25 | Kalroth | but it's monday morning >< |
| 06:36.28 | Kalroth | poor me! |
| 06:36.35 | haste | ~comfort Kalroth |
| 06:36.36 | purl | There, there, Kalroth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:36.53 | Kalroth | I wonder .. |
| 06:36.56 | Kalroth | ~coffee |
| 06:37.01 | Kalroth | :( |
| 06:37.09 | Wobin_ | How do they start fission reactors? |
| 06:37.30 | Kalroth | Wobin_: with a Zippo lighter! |
| 06:38.47 | Kalroth | they use fuel rods |
| 06:39.32 | Kalroth | and it's not how they get started, it's how they stopped :) |
| 06:40.45 | Kalroth | g'night Cairy! |
| 06:40.50 | Cairenn|sleep | night |
| 06:51.47 | Ktron | this sucks |
| 06:51.56 | Kalroth | Awww |
| 06:52.00 | Ktron | I'm getting an error about Compat.lua, but there _is_ no compat.lua |
| 06:52.11 | Ktron | I just search the directory, nothign |
| 06:52.20 | Ktron | and I searched for files containing that phrase |
| 06:52.21 | Kalroth | Maybe that's the error? That it isn't there :) |
| 06:52.32 | Kalroth | oh |
| 06:54.05 | Ktron | I get the error [string "compat.lua"]:20:bad argument #1 to `rad' (number expected, got nil) |
| 06:54.18 | Kalroth | http://www.koders.com/lua/fidDD3A10B53E75B10BCAB13EAC3127156F3ADF71BB.aspx <- source of compat.lua |
| 06:54.29 | Kalroth | seems like it's used for backwards compatabiity |
| 06:54.41 | Iriel | it means you called sin or cos with nil arg |
| 06:54.47 | Kalroth | compatibility* |
| 06:54.54 | Elviso | you broke the core language! run!! |
| 06:54.59 | Iriel | usually anyway |
| 06:55.13 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.17 | Iriel | line 20 |
| 06:55.21 | Ktron | well let's see |
| 06:55.24 | Kalroth | Iriel ftw! |
| 06:56.46 | krka | Iriel, do you have proper lua long comment highlighting in emacs? |
| 06:57.04 | Iriel | krka: I dont recall |
| 06:57.24 | krka | let me give you a test |
| 06:57.45 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/691773 |
| 06:58.18 | Ktron | So, I need a way to set the intial value of a Saved Variable, that's all |
| 06:58.32 | krka | Miravlix, can you run test that code too? |
| 06:59.15 | krka | also, has the decidedly best embedding-strategy been published on the wiki? |
| 06:59.23 | krka | i am sure FAIAP fails it :) |
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| 07:00.05 | Elviso | Ktron, you just have to declare it |
| 07:00.19 | Ktron | Elviso, I got it fixed |
| 07:00.24 | Elviso | k |
| 07:01.14 | Ktron | thanks though Elviso |
| 07:01.50 | Ktron | irfanview work pretty well at converting to/from blps? |
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| 07:16.46 | Wobin_ | Iriel: Heh, in regards to sorting identical items, I actually had the code in there, just never implemented =P |
| 07:16.57 | ckknight | anyone want to draw a backdrop for FuBar, I figured out a more intelligent way to skin and the y-repeatedness is no longer good/needed |
| 07:17.45 | Ktron | maybe at some point ckknight |
| 07:18.17 | krka | maybe someone should implement a MergeSort in lua |
| 07:18.34 | krka | or is there a better stable comparison sort? |
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| 07:20.13 | Wobin_ | My knowledge of efficient sort functions ends at table.sort =) |
| 07:20.51 | krka | i don't know how to make an in-place merge sort |
| 07:20.53 | krka | :/ |
| 07:21.19 | Kirov | infranview has a blp encoder / decoder? |
| 07:21.41 | krka | wouldn't be too hard to right a generic thingy that adds a hidden parameter though |
| 07:21.52 | krka | and then table.sorts it |
| 07:24.17 | krka | no wait, this won't work for values that aren't tables |
| 07:25.16 | krka | omg SWEET |
| 07:25.26 | krka | writing "</" automatically fills in the rest |
| 07:25.47 | wereHamster | which editor? |
| 07:26.46 | krka | emacs |
| 07:26.49 | krka | with nxml-mode |
| 07:27.47 | Iriel | krka: That was the setting I was talking about earlier |
| 07:27.52 | Iriel | krka: Awesome isn't it |
| 07:28.36 | krka | ah |
| 07:28.49 | krka | i thought that was for only writing "/ " at the end |
| 07:29.25 | id` | emacs >_o |
| 07:29.35 | krka | now i just need it to use lua syntax inside <script> stuff :P |
| 07:30.34 | Miravlix | krka: What the syntax legal ways to start a --[[ comment? |
| 07:31.01 | Miravlix | - [[ is a comment ]] ? |
| 07:31.05 | krka | no |
| 07:31.10 | krka | has to be exactly --[[ |
| 07:31.23 | krka | and it can't be inside a string or after a -- on the same line |
| 07:31.35 | Miravlix | "--.*\\(\\[\\[\\(\\]?[^]]\\)*\\]\\]\\)" |
| 07:31.56 | Miravlix | Why the --<anything or nothing here>[[ then? |
| 07:32.05 | krka | dont know |
| 07:32.29 | krka | maybe it tries to match both long and short at once |
| 07:32.49 | krka | Comments start anywhere outside a string with a double hyphen (--). If the text immediately after -- is different from [[, the comment is a short comment, which runs until the end of the line. Otherwise, it is a long comment, which runs until the corresponding ]]. Long comments may run for several lines and may contain nested [[ · · · ]] pairs. |
| 07:32.55 | Miravlix | No this is for multiline and the [[ isn't optional |
| 07:34.40 | Miravlix | GNU Lisp regexp is freaking hard to read |
| 07:34.55 | Miravlix | \\( is \( thats ( |
| 07:40.54 | id` | < Miravlix> "--.*\\(\\[\\[\\(\\]?[^]]\\)*\\]\\]\\)" <-- '--[[.+]]' |
| 07:40.55 | id` | :S |
| 07:41.19 | id` | dunno if that will match newlines.. |
| 07:41.23 | krka | nope |
| 07:41.26 | krka | err... |
| 07:41.26 | krka | yes |
| 07:41.30 | Iriel | The nesting will be a bitch |
| 07:41.55 | id` | why? this is greedy :P |
| 07:42.07 | krka | can't be greedy |
| 07:42.20 | id` | can;t? |
| 07:42.24 | Miravlix | [^] <- that matches newlines, well not really it matches beginning of lines |
| 07:42.24 | id` | can't?* |
| 07:42.26 | Iriel | Because --[[ comment ]] and --[[ comment [[ comment ]] ]] |
| 07:42.48 | Iriel | or should I say |
| 07:42.55 | krka | let's say you have one comment at the top and one at the bottom: if it's greedy, it'll catch the entire file |
| 07:42.57 | Iriel | --[[ ]] GiveAllMyMoneyAway [[ ]] |
| 07:42.58 | Iriel | versus |
| 07:43.05 | Iriel | --[[ [[ GiveAllMyMoneyAway ]] ]] |
| 07:43.05 | id` | krka: ah |
| 07:43.14 | id` | ofcource :P |
| 07:43.36 | krka | why doesn't this friggin editbox work? |
| 07:43.45 | krka | i cant click on it and enter text... i cant even see the text |
| 07:45.20 | Miravlix | So far so good -- [[ is no longer detected as a long comment |
| 07:46.10 | id` | what are you trying to do btw |
| 07:46.39 | Miravlix | Handle --[[ Text ]] ]] |
| 07:46.46 | id` | where/what |
| 07:46.47 | Miravlix | Handle --[[ [[ Text ]] ]] |
| 07:47.17 | Miravlix | So --[[ is the start and the last ]] is the end |
| 07:47.58 | Kalroth | mmm, it isn't though |
| 07:48.01 | id` | but WHERE? in a webpage? in a string? |
| 07:48.07 | krka | in emacs |
| 07:48.08 | Miravlix | GNU Emacs |
| 07:48.32 | id` | emacs doesnt have lua support? |
| 07:48.35 | id` | hah! |
| 07:48.36 | id` | :P |
| 07:48.37 | Kalroth | --[[ [[ Text ]] ]] the last ]] should give a syntax error of some sort, imo |
| 07:48.45 | id` | vim.org \o/ |
| 07:48.51 | krka | it will Kalroth |
| 07:48.59 | krka | ah, no sorry |
| 07:49.00 | Miravlix | It does have a syntax highlight mode |
| 07:49.02 | krka | misunderstood |
| 07:49.04 | Miravlix | But it has a few errors |
| 07:49.12 | krka | "--[[ [[ Text ]] ]] the last ]]" |
| 07:49.16 | Kalroth | lol |
| 07:49.16 | krka | that will give a syntax error :P |
| 07:49.19 | Miravlix | For one thing doing don't makes the text marked as being a string |
| 07:49.24 | Kalroth | "--[[ [[ Text ]] ]]" the last ]] should give a syntax error of some sort, imo |
| 07:49.26 | Kalroth | there! |
| 07:50.05 | krka | doing don't? |
| 07:50.30 | krka | works fine for me |
| 07:50.39 | krka | since ' _does_ start a string |
| 07:51.04 | Miravlix | krka: Not inside a comment |
| 07:51.26 | Miravlix | It should ignore everything in there and not color the rest of the file due to whats inside a comment |
| 07:51.33 | krka | ah |
| 07:52.56 | krka | whoa... moving scrollframes partially outside the screen makes thingso dd |
| 07:54.13 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 07:54.17 | Kirov | like how? |
| 07:54.45 | krka | i have a solid green texture inside my scrollchild, and it warps at the edges |
| 07:55.02 | AnduinLothar | like the minimap and dolls prolly |
| 07:55.23 | id` | my ram usage is now at 15MB \o/ |
| 07:55.34 | id` | 0.0 to 1.0 increase (combat) |
| 07:55.36 | krka | what do i have to do to get this thing visible? |
| 07:55.50 | krka | (the text in an editbox) |
| 07:57.57 | id` | can anyone top that? :D |
| 07:58.33 | krka | dunno |
| 08:02.04 | zespri | Hmm... actually this SetText problem even more mistery than I thought. when you do SetText OnTextChanged is fired, and I have no idea when OnTextSet is fired! |
| 08:02.59 | zespri | OnTextSet happens only once in Blizz code, so not much light here as well |
| 08:03.13 | id` | (with 41 addons) |
| 08:03.58 | id` | http://pastebin.com/691810 |
| 08:04.11 | AnduinLothar | lightweight |
| 08:04.15 | krka | ok... |
| 08:04.31 | krka | do i have to use <Size> for scrollframes? |
| 08:04.54 | id` | AnduinLothar: paste yours :-) |
| 08:05.13 | id` | (for the sake of tweaking :P) |
| 08:08.26 | krka | does anyone know why the textcolor in an editbox may be invisible? |
| 08:08.37 | wereHamster | krka, yes, you need to specify a <Size> |
| 08:08.51 | krka | ./cry |
| 08:09.15 | krka | so i can't make a virtual editbox-thingy that fits in with the parent |
| 08:09.16 | wereHamster | why? |
| 08:09.34 | wereHamster | sure, Size: 1x1px and change the size in OnLoad |
| 08:09.38 | id` | krka: paste yours, wereHamster: paste yours :] |
| 08:10.44 | krka | is the parent loaded in <OnLoad>? |
| 08:10.53 | krka | i always imagined that child nodes loaded first |
| 08:11.11 | krka | paste my what? |
| 08:11.23 | id` | look at my paste |
| 08:11.40 | Kalroth | it should always be the parent first, since xml is a streaming format |
| 08:12.09 | krka | but onload is when everything for the node is done, children should finish first |
| 08:12.38 | Kalroth | so you get onload for every single ui item? and not just the main frame? |
| 08:12.53 | Kalroth | (in which case I think you're right :) |
| 08:12.57 | krka | i think so |
| 08:13.12 | krka | gah, this xml is such a major pain |
| 08:13.34 | krka | WTF is the editbox text invisible? :( |
| 08:17.14 | AnduinLothar | http://wow.pastebin.com/691820 |
| 08:17.16 | AnduinLothar | 88 |
| 08:18.34 | id` | tanks |
| 08:20.34 | wereHamster | krka, I'm sorry, should work fir a scroll frame.. it's the edit box that has to have a size |
| 08:20.40 | wereHamster | s/fir/fine/ |
| 08:21.27 | krka | thanks |
| 08:22.57 | wereHamster | http://wow.pastebin.com/691824 |
| 08:23.04 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/691825 |
| 08:23.08 | krka | what's wrong with that? |
| 08:24.02 | Kirov | is it not loading? |
| 08:24.14 | krka | yes, but the text is invisible |
| 08:26.12 | Kirov | Is there a reason you're setting the color? |
| 08:26.31 | wereHamster | what does numeric="false" ? |
| 08:27.51 | krka | Kirov, just desperately trying to give it a color |
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| 08:33.57 | krka | hmm... if i remove the settext on load, it works |
| 08:41.50 | Kirov | do it onshow? |
| 08:42.30 | krka | that was just for testing anyway :P |
| 08:42.51 | krka | hmm... long lines without spaces are a problem |
| 08:43.53 | krka | completely messes everything up |
| 08:47.59 | Miravlix | http://lua-users.org/files/wiki_insecure/editors/lua-mode.el |
| 08:48.15 | Miravlix | Updated 2006 |
| 08:52.55 | Miravlix | But no improved multi-line comment support. |
| 09:00.43 | krka | anyone have an idea for how to solve the problem with wrapping lines in editboxes? |
| 09:04.23 | Kalroth | krka: is both --[[ and [[ for block comments? |
| 09:04.33 | Iriel | [[ is a block string isn't it? |
| 09:04.53 | Iriel | (yes, it is) |
| 09:04.53 | Kalroth | ah ok, so it has to be "--[[" then |
| 09:04.56 | krka | Kalroth, no, iriel, yes |
| 09:05.06 | zespri | Many times asked question: is there any difference between this.onTextChanged = something and this:SetScript("OnTextChanges", something), if this is a widget? |
| 09:05.21 | krka | i think FAIAP handles all of that correctly, so that's a good way to test :P |
| 09:05.48 | krka | zespri, yes, i think |
| 09:05.58 | krka | assuming you meant this.OnTextChanged |
| 09:06.12 | krka | SetScript also registers stuff, i think |
| 09:06.29 | zespri | registers stuff? |
| 09:06.41 | zespri | what stuff and where does it register it? |
| 09:07.08 | Iriel | zespri: For a stanard wow element, yes there's a huge different |
| 09:07.24 | Iriel | this.onTextChanged = something does nothing whatsoever beyond assigning to an onTextChanged key in the table |
| 09:07.45 | krka | setscript notifies the engine that it wants to receive that event |
| 09:07.58 | Iriel | if you're seeing code that's using that idiom, it's backed by soemthing else |
| 09:08.45 | krka | these should be equivalent though: this:SetScript(X, fun1) this:SetScript(X, fun2) and this:SetScript(X, fun1) this[X] = fun2 |
| 09:08.47 | zespri | Iriel, even if it's this.OnTextChanged? |
| 09:08.53 | Iriel | zespri Yes. |
| 09:08.56 | AnduinLothar | zes, Earth uses the indexed scripts for it's templates because it was written b4 setscript |
| 09:09.04 | Iriel | krka: Ignore krka's second thing tho |
| 09:09.11 | Iriel | because that's also entirely wrong |
| 09:09.13 | krka | damn :P |
| 09:09.16 | Iriel | for standard wow |
| 09:09.21 | zespri | Yes I'm seeing such code and it doesn't work =) Not sure why author wrote it this way |
| 09:09.24 | krka | i wonder why i got that idea |
| 09:09.29 | Iriel | the scripts are stored away from our eyes |
| 09:09.50 | Iriel | Various libaries exist which use a this.Handlername scheme |
| 09:09.59 | zespri | Anduin, does this still works? |
| 09:10.42 | AnduinLothar | sure, if it's using an Earth template that hasn't been changed to use SetScript |
| 09:10.58 | AnduinLothar | some of them were converted, but not all |
| 09:11.07 | zespri | I'm not sure if khaos editbox uses earth template or not |
| 09:11.14 | AnduinLothar | it should |
| 09:11.16 | zespri | how do I check it? |
| 09:11.26 | AnduinLothar | check the inherits in the xml |
| 09:11.44 | AnduinLothar | and then check the xml of the frame it inherits in the earth code |
| 09:12.00 | zespri | this is dinamicaly created editbox , K_EDITBOX does it even have an xml entry? |
| 09:12.16 | AnduinLothar | earth uses a lot of inheritance so you might have to trace it back through multiple frames |
| 09:12.25 | AnduinLothar | wha? |
| 09:12.39 | AnduinLothar | K_EDITBOX isn't dynamicly created |
| 09:13.03 | zespri | it isn't? I thought it's created based on the content of optionset |
| 09:13.23 | AnduinLothar | well then it's dynamic but not in the way you're thingking |
| 09:13.26 | zespri | if there are like 3 editboxes in the options set then 3 K_EDITBOX's created, no? |
| 09:13.30 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 09:13.56 | AnduinLothar | there is a check, editbox, text and all elements for each of the x sections of the scroll frame |
| 09:14.10 | AnduinLothar | and khaos shows/hides them based on what should be there |
| 09:14.40 | zespri | I didn't know that. Thank you. |
| 09:15.30 | zespri | This means that there is some maximum. I.e you can't have more then so many options in option set? |
| 09:15.41 | AnduinLothar | it's a typical approach to scrollframes, you just make all elements for every iteration and modify their contents as the scroll offset is changed |
| 09:15.47 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 09:16.03 | AnduinLothar | you can scroll through a theorhetically infinite amount |
| 09:16.32 | AnduinLothar | but you can only ever see x at one time |
| 09:16.37 | zespri | I see. there is just enough to fill the height of the window. |
| 09:16.42 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 09:17.26 | AnduinLothar | it's not like a SimpleHTML that has content for the whole length and scrolls it with C |
| 09:18.14 | AnduinLothar | instead the content is all virtual in a table and what is shown is offset->offset+page height |
| 09:18.49 | AnduinLothar | same way the AH is done |
| 09:19.03 | zespri | yeah, same as every other scrollframe in the game. keep forgetting this paradigm |
| 09:21.05 | zespri | well this way or another, the editbox.onTextCahnged = something_new, down't really work in Khaos. I prefer not to find out why and just substitute this with SetScript |
| 09:21.27 | AnduinLothar | feel free |
| 09:21.54 | AnduinLothar | we've been removing that methodolgy as much as possible, just haven't gotten through it all |
| 09:22.35 | zespri | ok, thanks. |
| 09:38.56 | Shouryuu_ | night |
| 09:39.14 | AnduinLothar | night, wish i could sleep, i'm exhausted |
| 09:39.44 | AnduinLothar | stupid teacher emailed us on friday that our hw was gonna be due 2 days early and i didn't get it till today |
| 09:40.03 | krka | night iriel |
| 09:40.06 | Iriel | Ive got no guarantee i'll actually GET to sleep |
| 09:40.10 | Iriel | but i've got to try |
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| 10:35.31 | Miravlix | I guess, I finally got the regexp right, it crashed emacs |
| 10:37.19 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.35 | Miravlix | Match --[[ ]] or --[[ [[ ]] ]] |
| 10:38.43 | Miravlix | Even --[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] |
| 10:43.34 | AnduinLothar | interesting page, tho i've heard the word spanglish with ther meainings: http://members.fortunecity.com/rapidrytr/Spell/spanglish.htm |
| 10:51.24 | Shouryuu_ | anyone seen fearless? |
| 10:51.38 | Shouryuu_ | with Jet li |
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| 11:46.51 | ckknight | hey, I want to write a lib that provides a standard interface, for tooltip/menu. If plugins use it, then if FuBar is available, it'll use FuBar, otherwise, it'll create a button on the minimap |
| 11:47.35 | ckknight | what do I call it? |
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| 11:56.54 | Osagasu | FuButton? >.> |
| 11:58.59 | id` | i still think NoFu is coolest :p |
| 11:59.19 | id` | ckknight: Why cant it have Fu in it, i mean... its meant for FuBar plugins, right? |
| 11:59.52 | Kalroth | FuOrMinimapButton! |
| 11:59.52 | Osagasu | I would say Snafu, but that's asking for trouble |
| 12:00.03 | id` | hehe |
| 12:01.19 | Osagasu | Of course, BoHica sounds asks for trouble too |
| 12:03.39 | ckknight | it's not "meant" for FuBar |
| 12:03.41 | ckknight | FuBar is optional |
| 12:05.43 | id` | yeah but will something thats not a fubar plugin use it? |
| 12:06.33 | Osagasu | I mean, it's easier just to copy and paste then alter existing code to add a minimap button |
| 12:06.58 | Osagasu | Its done so many times that's what happens |
| 12:07.04 | Osagasu | *Its been done |
| 12:11.01 | ckknight | but it shouldn't have to depend on FuBar |
| 12:11.34 | ckknight | it's not just "adding a minimap button" |
| 12:11.49 | id` | right |
| 12:11.56 | id` | *think* |
| 12:13.23 | Osagasu | What I'm saying is that minimap buttons are so common now that almost all a person has to do is copy and paste code from an existing minimap button. Hell, there are addons that do just that, and cleanly too. |
| 12:13.42 | ckknight | and you point? |
| 12:13.45 | ckknight | your* |
| 12:13.59 | id` | Osagasu: this is a go at standardisation |
| 12:14.46 | ckknight | not really |
| 12:15.03 | ckknight | just a way to make it easy to have display + options |
| 12:15.25 | ckknight | would be handy for some things like QuestFu or DurabilityFu |
| 12:15.30 | ckknight | or most other FuBar plugins |
| 12:15.32 | id` | yea |
| 12:16.43 | Osagasu | Velco: Stick buttons to the minimap. :P |
| 12:18.59 | Osagasu | I just don't see purpose in making someting if noone will use it that way |
| 12:19.29 | Osagasu | *Velcro |
| 12:20.29 | id` | i can name alot of addons that could use thar |
| 12:20.32 | id` | that* |
| 12:20.53 | Osagasu | can and will aren't the same thing |
| 12:21.01 | id` | QuestFu, MailFu (replace the original mail? (because you can say you want to hide it)) |
| 12:21.25 | id` | I think it will happen :p |
| 12:21.34 | Osagasu | But those are FuBar addons |
| 12:21.42 | id` | what if its an embed lib |
| 12:22.43 | id` | noone will notice |
| 12:22.44 | id` | ;) |
| 12:23.45 | Osagasu | Weeeell, I need to finish getting ready for school. I but out my name idea, and my comments |
| 12:23.48 | Osagasu | *put |
| 12:23.54 | id` | yarr |
| 12:23.55 | id` | :D |
| 12:24.00 | Osagasu | :P |
| 12:24.09 | Osagasu | I think Velcro is a good name |
| 12:24.22 | id` | ckknight: why not just go for MinimapButtonLib |
| 12:24.28 | id` | no wait |
| 12:24.37 | id` | MinimapFrontendLib |
| 12:24.37 | id` | hmmm |
| 12:24.43 | Osagasu | too lond |
| 12:24.47 | id` | at least that tells you what it does |
| 12:25.00 | Osagasu | Velcro tells you what it does, in an abstract way |
| 12:25.10 | id` | i have no idea what velcro is |
| 12:25.36 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 12:25.37 | id` | uh, was that even a correct sentence? >_o |
| 12:25.46 | Shouryuu_ | Velcro is a good name |
| 12:26.02 | Osagasu | Wait. |
| 12:26.07 | Osagasu | You don't know what velcro is? |
| 12:26.17 | krka | Kardborrband |
| 12:26.21 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 12:26.26 | Osagasu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro |
| 12:30.51 | Shouryuu_ | but if you want to make alibrary to make minimap buttons then Velcro is a good name |
| 12:47.04 | id` | owwww velcro |
| 12:47.06 | id` | ok |
| 12:47.09 | id` | i love it |
| 12:47.09 | id` | :d |
| 12:47.23 | id` | (klittenband in dutch) |
| 12:47.23 | id` | :p |
| 12:47.39 | id` | no thats a K |
| 12:51.16 | Shouryuu_ | I wrote an add on that send in the raid channel the race/class/lvl on the player who steals your flag in WSG |
| 12:51.37 | Shouryuu_ | the problem is, if several people have the add-on, well the same message will be displayed several times |
| 12:52.40 | Shouryuu_ | Should I do something like this on each chat message: if string.find(arg1,"My message")) then MessageSent = 1 end |
| 12:53.21 | Shouryuu_ | will that work? Because the event is trigger simultaneously for each player, so each player should send the message at the same time, shouldn't they? |
| 12:54.06 | Shouryuu_ | I don't think they should, since one person will always have a faster connection, so he'll always sent it before others do |
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| 12:58.22 | id` | I think you should make the client/addon check with itself/others at the beginning of a BG |
| 12:59.22 | Shouryuu_ | I guess so |
| 12:59.37 | Shouryuu_ | I was hoping that what I proposed would work, but meh |
| 12:59.51 | Shouryuu_ | just need to learn how to hood the send/receive chat message thing |
| 13:00.32 | Shouryuu_ | good thing there's a how-to on the WIKI :P |
| 13:07.54 | Shouryuu_ | anyone know of a program that allows me to edit songs. I have several songs with "hidden" songs on certain tracks... I don't want to wait the end of the track to hear it... |
| 13:07.56 | id` | ^^ |
| 13:08.16 | zenzelezz | Audacity might work |
| 13:08.16 | id` | Shouryuu_: apoptygma berzerk? :p |
| 13:08.23 | id` | (the band) |
| 13:08.30 | Shouryuu_ | lol not really |
| 13:08.32 | Shouryuu_ | never heard of it |
| 13:08.38 | id` | k hehe, thay do that on every album |
| 13:08.41 | id` | the last song |
| 13:08.42 | id` | :p |
| 13:08.47 | id` | they* |
| 13:08.52 | Shouryuu_ | Yeah I have this French group who does the same |
| 13:09.03 | Shouryuu_ | the songs ar usually real nive as well :p |
| 13:09.06 | Shouryuu_ | *nice |
| 13:09.19 | Shouryuu_ | Thanks zenzelezz :p |
| 13:16.41 | zespri | what is the 'official' source of titan? |
| 13:17.17 | Shouryuu_ | no idea |
| 13:23.35 | Elkano | there isn't any anymore, is there? |
| 13:26.15 | Elkano | Shouryuu_, about the bg flag addon: I would rather have it only announce to the one who installed it. There are people out there that tend to ignore players using announcement addons ;) |
| 13:26.40 | id` | like me :p |
| 13:27.46 | Shouryuu_ | hummm |
| 13:28.40 | Shouryuu_ | that poses a new problem... |
| 13:32.49 | id` | Why not just make it show up a message in that blizzard notifky frame |
| 13:32.55 | id` | only for the one that has the addon |
| 13:33.19 | id` | you knwo the 'im out of range' bullcrap frame center top above the palyer |
| 13:33.25 | id` | player* |
| 13:33.25 | Shouryuu_ | I guess but the whole point of the add on is to have your team know what's happening |
| 13:43.06 | Shouryuu_ | ok would you believe me if I told you this was computer generated http://www.deviantart.com/view/11856449/ |
| 13:48.54 | krka | sure, you're a trustworthy guy |
| 13:49.02 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 13:55.32 | [MoonWolf] | Is it possible to force the battelground minimap around while not in a gb ? |
| 13:55.35 | [MoonWolf] | bg* |
| 13:58.06 | Shouryuu_ | dunno |
| 13:58.14 | id` | I believe I heard some time that its possible |
| 13:58.20 | id` | that the frame is there and you can just show it |
| 13:58.26 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: it is |
| 13:58.27 | id` | dont know the name of the frame :D |
| 13:58.46 | Maldivia | something like: /script BattleGroundMiniMap_LoadUI() BattleGroundMiniMap_Show() |
| 13:59.28 | Maldivia | /script BattlefieldMinimap_LoadUI() BattlefieldMinimap:Show() |
| 13:59.49 | Maldivia | that should do it |
| 14:00.02 | [MoonWolf] | thanks |
| 14:12.07 | Kalroth | morning sunshine! |
| 14:12.20 | Cairenn | hey Kalroth :) |
| 14:16.16 | id` | Cairenn: new site feature idea; http://wowinterface.com/mod/ModNameX |
| 14:16.40 | id` | Cairenn: mod names cant be duplicate, so for every mod there could be a link like that |
| 14:16.48 | id` | nice for linking to people |
| 14:17.06 | id` | yes ill post it on the forums |
| 14:17.06 | id` | :D |
| 14:17.29 | Cairenn | yup, post it |
| 14:17.52 | id` | you likey? |
| 14:18.14 | Cairenn | O |
| 14:18.32 | Cairenn | I've no idea, since I get 404'd on the addy you linked :p |
| 14:18.57 | krka | O_o |
| 14:19.09 | krka | not sure you're kidding or not :( |
| 14:19.29 | Cairenn | I'm not |
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| 14:19.53 | krka | the addy itself is the idea |
| 14:20.13 | id` | Cairenn: it was just an example, where in the idea 'ModNameX' is replaced by e.g. FuBar, and you would be linked to the fubar page |
| 14:20.38 | Cairenn | I just woke up from a 16 hr sleep, give me a break, I'm fuzzy |
| 14:20.48 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.06 | Kirkburn | Was he big and cuddly? |
| 14:21.11 | id` | this goes with the 'Web 2.0' generation of websites, where more thought is put in how to present your websites, and more attention is given to 'pretty links' instead of ID numbers |
| 14:21.11 | Cairenn | but now I get it, and yeah, it's an interesting idea |
| 14:21.33 | id` | *edits post to include last sentence* |
| 14:22.15 | krka | you meant to say "go back and pass out again", right? |
| 14:22.30 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22048#post22048 |
| 14:22.31 | id` | xP |
| 14:22.38 | Cairenn | krka: sure, okay |
| 14:23.31 | Cairenn | guys, I'm *really* not with it yet, and I really do just want to go back to sleep again, so forgive me for being incredibly stupid right now |
| 14:23.35 | Kirkburn | Why can't people use the same name everywhere :( |
| 14:23.43 | Cairenn | <== does |
| 14:24.08 | Kalroth | <== does |
| 14:24.11 | id` | Kirkburn: because it was taken at nickserv i use id` on irc |
| 14:24.13 | Tain | Sometimes people steal your name. |
| 14:24.18 | id` | --^ |
| 14:24.20 | Kirkburn | Okay, you're not *all* gonna get a cheer :P |
| 14:24.28 | Kalroth | :( |
| 14:24.35 | Kalroth | Cairenn: Kirkburn isn't being fair!! |
| 14:24.38 | Kirkburn | Oh okay |
| 14:24.43 | id` | well sorry for having an uninspired name that is truly unique |
| 14:24.46 | Tain | Sometimes you use one name and then switch to a new name, but so many people know the old name you don't want to get rid of it. |
| 14:24.50 | id` | not having* |
| 14:24.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:25.04 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 14:25.11 | [MoonWolf] | actually moonwolf is more unique the one would think |
| 14:25.16 | [MoonWolf] | but it WAS taken on this server. |
| 14:25.18 | Tain | Sometimes you have to use a different name under the guidelines of the witness protection program. |
| 14:25.32 | id` | [MoonWolf]: ive seen some moonwolf's in wow |
| 14:25.51 | Cairenn | id`: do a /msg nickserv info industrial, see when it was used last, if it's been a long time, you can ask the freenode staff to release it to you |
| 14:25.54 | [MoonWolf] | i never use this name ingame |
| 14:25.59 | Tain | I don't know, a quick search of Moonwolf on google shows an awful lot. |
| 14:26.05 | id` | Cairenn: coolio |
| 14:26.08 | [MoonWolf] | char names need more thought. |
| 14:26.26 | id` | Cairenn: hahaha |
| 14:26.29 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.31 | id` | thats me |
| 14:26.32 | id` | lol |
| 14:26.34 | Elkano | Moonwolf, I've found a bug in Mendeleev |
| 14:26.45 | [MoonWolf] | moonwolf.wowinterface.com |
| 14:27.05 | Kirkburn | Well, I think you can be industrial then :) |
| 14:27.20 | Industrial | omg? |
| 14:27.25 | Industrial | it identified? |
| 14:27.26 | Kirkburn | omg! |
| 14:27.30 | Kalroth | hax0rz |
| 14:27.30 | Industrial | yay! im back! |
| 14:27.32 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:27.41 | Tain | Can we all point and laugh at you now? |
| 14:27.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:28.02 | Kalroth | D'oh |
| 14:28.03 | krka | yay, my editor works |
| 14:28.12 | Elkano | you forgot to clear the list you use to show the 'used by' things, so trivial items will show again in the easy, medium, optimum lines (if there are other items for this line), easy in medium and optimum and so on |
| 14:28.14 | krka | it shows syntax errors in the lua code |
| 14:28.35 | Kirkburn | oh, gif gif |
| 14:29.29 | krka | hmm... ok |
| 14:30.54 | krka | a bit big but... http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/editor-test1.png |
| 14:31.05 | Kirkburn | Out of interest how long have people taken their 'net' nicknames for? I've had Kirkburn for about 9 years |
| 14:31.25 | Kalroth | uhh |
| 14:31.27 | Kirkburn | krka, why png? :s |
| 14:31.39 | Kalroth | mine isn't that old, it's from back when I started playing UO |
| 14:31.41 | Kalroth | so ~97 |
| 14:31.45 | Kalroth | oh, nm that |
| 14:31.46 | krka | local nick = string.sub(firstName, 1, 2) .. string.sub(lastname, 1, 2) |
| 14:31.47 | Kalroth | heh |
| 14:31.55 | Kalroth | damn you Kirkburn, I'm NOT old! |
| 14:31.57 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 14:32.00 | krka | because gnome print screen saves as png |
| 14:32.07 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: I've been using it on-line since EQ came out, but it's been my nick for longer than that, since it's actually my SCA name |
| 14:32.14 | Kirkburn | SCA? |
| 14:32.17 | Cairenn | probably about 15 or so years now |
| 14:32.24 | Cairenn | Historical recreation |
| 14:32.30 | Kirkburn | Ah, I remember |
| 14:32.44 | Tain | I've only used Tain since '98. I have another online name I use that I've had since... somewhere in the mid to late 80s. |
| 14:33.07 | Kirkburn | You had an online name in the mid-80s? |
| 14:33.17 | Tain | Sure, BBSs. |
| 14:33.28 | Cairenn | the full name, which is rarely seen online is actually Lady Cairenn <nic> Giolla Coinning |
| 14:33.29 | [MoonWolf] | we have some older people at ace. |
| 14:33.33 | [MoonWolf] | isharra for instance. |
| 14:33.54 | Tain | I ran a few different dialup BBSs in the 80s and early 90s. |
| 14:34.01 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 14:34.28 | Kirkburn | Cair, how did you come up with that? |
| 14:34.38 | Cairenn | it's 11th C gaelic |
| 14:34.49 | Cairenn | Cairenn = my modern day rl first name |
| 14:34.54 | Tain | Cairenn's been using her name since the 11th century? She wins! |
| 14:34.58 | Cairenn | <nic> means "daughter of" |
| 14:34.58 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 14:35.05 | Kirkburn | Ah I see now |
| 14:35.11 | Cairenn | Giolla Coinning = Kilkenny in current English |
| 14:35.18 | Cairenn | Kilkenny is my SCA clan |
| 14:35.29 | Tain | You killed Kenny? You bastards! |
| 14:35.40 | Kirkburn | It's changed a lot since 11th C |
| 14:35.42 | Cairenn | the head of the household is my uncle, in the society |
| 14:35.48 | Cairenn | aye, it has indeed |
| 14:36.02 | Cairenn | but it's also gaelic, not english |
| 14:36.07 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 14:36.32 | Kirkburn | I think it's almost a shame we've almost completely stopped the evolution of language |
| 14:36.34 | Cairenn | anyway, it seemed to me a perfect name for RPG as well |
| 14:36.40 | Kirkburn | Tis |
| 14:36.50 | Cairenn | and extremely minor chance of others having it |
| 14:36.55 | Cairenn | it's rather unique |
| 14:37.18 | Cairenn | so yeah, some of us put thought into our online names ;) |
| 14:37.47 | krka | :( |
| 14:37.55 | Industrial | I was HellsBlade back in 97 |
| 14:38.04 | Industrial | Industrial since 2000 |
| 14:38.04 | Kirkburn | Heh ... mine was just two words put together. With a bit of thought towards what it meant ('Church' 'Hill?') |
| 14:38.12 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 14:38.25 | Industrial | Kirkburn: wow i just noticed that |
| 14:38.33 | Industrial | Kirkburn: i wlways read your name as Kikburn |
| 14:38.42 | Kirkburn | Better than Kickburn |
| 14:38.47 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 14:38.51 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:38.52 | Kirkburn | People still asked me if it was to do with Star Trek tho :P |
| 14:39.23 | Elkano | don't know exactly when I started using Elkano, some time end of last millenium... wanted to have a nick including some relation to elks ^^ |
| 14:39.34 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: star trek? rofl |
| 14:39.48 | Tain | Didn't you know? Star Trek inspired *everything*. |
| 14:39.53 | Kirkburn | Elkano, interesting choice :) |
| 14:40.01 | Elkano | later I noticed that there has been a guy named Juan Sebastian Elcano who sailed around the world under Magelan :/ |
| 14:40.04 | Cairenn | lol, I knew you were thinking Churchhill from the get go |
| 14:40.17 | Kirkburn | That was only people who did realise Kirk was also a proper word :) |
| 14:40.20 | Industrial | Elkano: you name makes me think of a moose.. somehow |
| 14:40.30 | Cairenn | Elkano: very neat |
| 14:40.33 | Kirkburn | *didn't |
| 14:40.34 | Tain | Royal Order of the Water Buffalo |
| 14:40.39 | Industrial | (this is not an insult, just a note) |
| 14:40.48 | Cairenn | Industrial: elk are related to moose :p |
| 14:40.48 | Elkano | well, elks and moose are similar animals :) |
| 14:40.56 | Industrial | riight :p |
| 14:40.58 | Tain | A moose bit my sister once |
| 14:40.58 | Cairenn | elk, moose, deer, all the same family |
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| 14:41.03 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 14:41.22 | Cairenn | yes, I'm a Canuck, I'd know that, lemme alone :p |
| 14:41.37 | Kalroth | lol |
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| 14:42.00 | Kirkburn | I actually read something about Meese (oh come on, it is, isn't it) and Elks v recently ... |
| 14:42.28 | Kirkburn | Ther are actually different, not two names for the same thing? |
| 14:42.49 | Cairenn | they are different |
| 14:43.02 | Cairenn | if you've ever seen them, you'd know |
| 14:43.05 | Industrial | boo wikipedia is slow :9 |
| 14:43.08 | Cairenn | they are not the same animal |
| 14:43.13 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 14:43.21 | Cairenn | a moose is *considerably* larger than an elk |
| 14:43.21 | Kirkburn | Yeah, don't get too many in the UK |
| 14:43.30 | Cairenn | *considerably* |
| 14:43.41 | Kirkburn | Considerably? |
| 14:43.52 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 14:43.55 | Shouryuu_ | inconceivable! |
| 14:43.58 | Industrial | lol! |
| 14:43.59 | Cairenn | an elk, you've got a *chance* (albeit minor) of walking away if you hit one .... a moose? you're a pancake |
| 14:43.59 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:44.02 | Industrial | Shouryuu_: xD |
| 14:44.11 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 14:44.20 | Shouryuu_ | I laughed my head of when I saw Rend say that |
| 14:44.29 | Industrial | rend? |
| 14:44.32 | Industrial | ;o |
| 14:44.39 | Industrial | booooo spoiler! |
| 14:44.41 | Industrial | :( |
| 14:44.45 | Shouryuu_ | lol sorry |
| 14:44.53 | Industrial | meh ill still laugh |
| 14:44.54 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:44.59 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 14:45.48 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, I think it mentioned it in a BBC News article, but it seems to have gone (probably corrected a mistake) |
| 14:46.07 | Cairenn | they were saying they are the same? |
| 14:46.09 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 14:46.50 | Kirkburn | Is there another name for either Elk or Moose? |
| 14:47.03 | Cairenn | big ass deer |
| 14:47.18 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 14:47.36 | Kirkburn | Deerus Grandus Bootyus |
| 14:48.14 | Cairenn | elk are also wapiti |
| 14:48.14 | krka | crap, can't get caretposition without killing the current highlight |
| 14:48.33 | Elkano | oh... -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk |
| 14:48.43 | Elkano | Elk may refer to two distinct species of large deer: |
| 14:48.43 | Elkano | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.43 | Elkano | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.52 | Kirkburn | Aha! |
| 14:48.56 | Cairenn | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=moose vs http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elk vs http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wapiti |
| 14:49.01 | Kirkburn | We're silly in Europe |
| 14:49.08 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 14:49.24 | krka | doesn't help that Moose = Älg in swedish |
| 14:49.26 | krka | you'd think Elk = Älg |
| 14:49.28 | Cairenn | there we go, that's why |
| 14:49.32 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn, you sod... Europeans are supposed to mock Americans :-o |
| 14:49.40 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 14:49.48 | Kirkburn | But she's not ... |
| 14:50.07 | zenzelezz | America is a continent, not a country |
| 14:50.11 | zenzelezz | Europe isn't a country either |
| 14:50.16 | Cairenn | well, technically I am arerican ... I'm *north* american |
| 14:50.21 | Kirkburn | Mexicans would call themselves American? |
| 14:50.27 | Cairenn | I'm not USoA |
| 14:50.32 | zenzelezz | depends on what they mean Kirk |
| 14:50.46 | Cairenn | mexico is central america, not north, iirc |
| 14:50.55 | Kirkburn | Well, if they were in the USA, they'd say that to the authorities :) |
| 14:50.57 | zenzelezz | I call myself Norwegian if we're speaking nationality, European if we're speaking more where-in-the-world-are-you-from |
| 14:51.10 | Kalroth | and Fjeldapa if you're local! |
| 14:51.14 | krka | earthian FTW |
| 14:51.17 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:51.18 | Kirkburn | Because no-one knows where Norway is ... |
| 14:51.20 | Cairenn | krka: cheer! |
| 14:52.29 | Kirkburn | I found out a while after taking this name that is does have quite a history |
| 14:52.32 | Elkano | ok, now that we've gone deeper into the elk/moose topic... my name's elk referes to the european 'elk' but I won't rename myself to Mooseano... ;) |
| 14:52.41 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 14:52.49 | Kirkburn | There's a town called Kirkburn in scotland, and a famous sword called the "Kirkburn Sword" (original, yes) |
| 14:52.51 | Kalroth | I think that'd be cool, Elkano! |
| 14:53.02 | Kirkburn | Wapitano? |
| 14:53.14 | Cairenn | well, and golly gee, I wonder where "Churchhill" came from ... |
| 14:53.24 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, and most people in !europe think sweden == switzerland ;) |
| 14:53.26 | Kirkburn | I know, it's a toughie |
| 14:53.28 | Elkano | Kirkburn, you failed, since this would refere to the wrong kind of animal :P |
| 14:53.44 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, that's just disturbing :P |
| 14:53.57 | Kirkburn | Elkano, I failed miserably |
| 14:54.05 | Elkano | wereHamster, I'd rather say that this holds for american people ;) |
| 14:54.06 | Kirkburn | Please accept my grovelling apologies :) |
| 14:54.16 | wereHamster | NZ, too.. |
| 14:54.23 | Elkano | but we all know that according to CNN the Iraq is next to Germany ;) |
| 14:54.26 | Shouryuu | most europeans think sweden in norway and vice versa |
| 14:54.27 | Cairenn | ewwww, Sweden != Switzerland |
| 14:54.33 | wereHamster | Elkano, really? |
| 14:54.33 | Kirkburn | In the UK we have problems between the Dutch and Danish - names are too similar |
| 14:54.48 | Kirkburn | Yeah, switzerland is a nice place! |
| 14:54.59 | Tain | I just lump that whole area together into, "Hot Blonde Women Land" |
| 14:55.11 | Shouryuu | Switzerland? |
| 14:55.11 | Cairenn | and NZ is not Aussie, either, so :p |
| 14:55.13 | Cairenn | Tain: lol |
| 14:55.30 | Tain | Becasue if my television shows and movies have shown me anything, it's that all women from that part of the world are such. |
| 14:55.37 | Elkano | oh, even worse... Germany = Iraq -> http://www.attivissimo.net/antibufala/cnn_pasticciona/cnn_map_iraq.jpg |
| 14:55.59 | Elkano | ans Swiss misplaced -> http://daduke.org/img/cnn_map.jpg |
| 14:56.02 | Kirkburn | Children in NZ find it hard to place countries like the UK because we're on the other side of the map, and their maps are centred on NZ (naturally) |
| 14:56.13 | Kirkburn | So we're stuck in one corner |
| 14:56.22 | Tain | I still think one of the hardest things I ever had ot do in school was fill in a map of Africa. |
| 14:56.24 | wereHamster | Elkano, hey.. czech republic.. that's where I was born :) |
| 14:56.26 | Kirkburn | Which confuses them when it comes to placing us on a globe |
| 14:56.51 | Cairenn | Elkano: that's just disturbing |
| 14:57.02 | Kirkburn | Tain, that's because by the time you've written the correct answers, they've changed :) |
| 14:57.03 | Shouryuu | ok tell me that's a hoax |
| 14:57.18 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 14:57.32 | Kirkburn | Congo? No not Congo? Yes Congo? Congo? |
| 14:57.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:57.59 | Shouryuu | I'm quite sure I couldn't do it |
| 14:58.07 | Shouryuu | South east asia is quite hard as well |
| 14:58.14 | Kirkburn | "The Republic of the Congo (ROC), also known as Congo-Brazzaville (and locally as "Braza"), is the smaller of the two countries and lies to the west. It was once a French colony, originally part of French Congo and later of French Equatorial Africa. Between 1971 and 1997 (and also in some recent publications[1]) it was simply referred to as "Congo". |
| 14:58.31 | Kirkburn | Or... Zaire |
| 14:58.40 | Shouryuu | Wasn't it a Belgium colony? |
| 14:58.46 | Kirkburn | "The Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), known as Zaïre from 1971 to 1997, is sometimes also referred to as "Congo-Kinshasa". It is the larger of the two countries and lies to the east. It was once the personal property of King Leopold II of Belgium, when it was known as the Congo Free State, and later a Belgian colony when it was renamed the Belgian Congo. When DRC was called Zaïre, the other Congo was known simply as "Congo"." |
| 14:59.00 | Shouryuu | lol confusing |
| 14:59.06 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:59.25 | Kirkburn | So really, you could have written anything and it would have been right at some point |
| 14:59.31 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:00.09 | Kirkburn | I have an entry on wikipedia :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkburn |
| 15:00.25 | wereHamster | Congo is a river I think.. so every country along the river has 'Congo' in its name |
| 15:01.26 | Tain | Who doesn't! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tain |
| 15:01.31 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: hello small village! |
| 15:02.08 | Cairenn | as do I: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=cairenn&go=Go |
| 15:02.18 | Elkano | MoonWolf, I've found the bug :) in Mendeleev.lua line 265 you have to add tline = nil |
| 15:02.41 | Tain | There's some nice pictures of the town they named after me too. |
| 15:02.42 | Tain | http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/tain/tain/index.html |
| 15:02.45 | Kalroth | Cairenn: You're the daughter of Eochaid Mugmedon! |
| 15:02.55 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:02.56 | Kalroth | or wife? |
| 15:03.09 | Cairenn | mother of Niall of the Nine Hostages |
| 15:03.37 | Tain | You have to get down Kentucky way before you start mixing daughters and sisters with wives. |
| 15:03.40 | Kirkburn | Tain has a tolbooth named after him |
| 15:03.44 | Kalroth | "Cairenn, the enslaved daughter of a British king" |
| 15:03.47 | Kalroth | I knew it! |
| 15:03.54 | wereHamster | That's me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Shag |
| 15:03.59 | Tain | I'll save the pricess! |
| 15:04.17 | Kirkburn | I'm sorry, our princess is in another castle |
| 15:04.21 | Kalroth | wereHamster: You're a common shag? :P |
| 15:04.32 | wereHamster | no, european :-P |
| 15:04.43 | Cairenn | <== wants to get sh ... errrrrr |
| 15:04.55 | Kirkburn | What's the in-flight airspeed of a European Shag? |
| 15:04.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:05.06 | Kirkburn | Could it carry two coconuts? |
| 15:05.36 | Kirkburn | I innocently think she has an aviary |
| 15:05.43 | Elkano | \o/ -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Sebasti%C3%A1n_Elcano ;) |
| 15:06.08 | Kalroth | "Common shag at nest with chicks" |
| 15:06.16 | Kalroth | And the picture wont load :( |
| 15:06.16 | Kirkburn | lol Kalroth |
| 15:08.42 | krka | lol |
| 15:09.46 | Kalroth | time to fly home! |
| 15:10.18 | Kirkburn | Dammit, Kirkburn.com has been taken over by a domain squatter :( |
| 15:11.33 | Kirkburn | Oooh, I'm number 11 on the google search for kirkburn |
| 15:17.22 | Kirkburn | OOoh, HL2: Episode 1 starts preloading today |
| 15:17.40 | Wobin_ | HL? |
| 15:17.42 | Shouryuu | anyone seen Blood: The Last Vampire? |
| 15:17.45 | Shouryuu | half life |
| 15:17.46 | Kirkburn | Half Lide 2 |
| 15:17.51 | Kirkburn | *life :P |
| 15:19.16 | krka | this rocks, it completely works |
| 15:19.20 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, film? game? |
| 15:19.28 | Shouryuu | Manga |
| 15:19.29 | Shouryuu | well |
| 15:19.32 | Shouryuu | short animation |
| 15:19.36 | Shouryuu | 40 mins movie |
| 15:20.00 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/editor-test2.png |
| 15:20.06 | krka | the "jump to error" button works |
| 15:20.08 | krka | (yay!) |
| 15:20.27 | Shouryuu | nice |
| 15:20.41 | zenzelezz | now make a "fix the error" button =D |
| 15:20.46 | Shouryuu | rofl |
| 15:21.07 | krka | i will! |
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| 15:26.42 | Kirkburn | 1:35 mins until preloading starts :) |
| 15:27.28 | Elkano | preloading for what? |
| 15:27.47 | Shouryuu | hl2 episode 1... |
| 15:27.52 | Elkano | ah, k |
| 15:28.25 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 15:29.10 | Elkano | wrt hl²: did you ever play the mod Empires? |
| 15:29.29 | Kirkburn | Not me |
| 15:29.43 | Kirkburn | I keep meaning to, probably over the summer |
| 15:32.02 | Kirkburn | Amazing how cheap it will be ... £16.99 from Amazon, £11.50 on Steam |
| 15:34.05 | Elkano | do you play any hl² mods at all? |
| 15:34.35 | Kirkburn | CS, Garry's Mod, haven't had the time to get into others yet |
| 15:35.09 | Shouryuu | can anyone link me that Learn to google site |
| 15:35.41 | Kirkburn | http://www.googleguide.com/intro.html? |
| 15:35.56 | Kirkburn | (a guess) |
| 15:36.36 | Kirkburn | Elkano, I have Darnwinia and Rag Doll Kung Fu if that's any good? :) |
| 15:37.02 | Shouryuu | There was a link that would first sent you to a page that would display something like "If you are here, it's because you need to learn to google", and after a few seconds, it redirects you to the google search |
| 15:37.07 | Elkano | haven't played those but afaik they both aren't hl² mods but only distributed via steam |
| 15:37.17 | Shouryuu | Rag Doll Kung Fu was developed by some guy from lionhead I think |
| 15:38.03 | Shouryuu | I was in Spain and bored 2 years back and spent a month on the Lionhead forums, and remember seeing it being developed there |
| 15:40.11 | Elkano | well, wrt Empires: do you know Natural Selection, Savage or C&C:Renegade? think of a mix of those (a com building a base and soldiers driving tanks :) ) |
| 15:40.20 | Kirkburn | Yeah, they're not mods, but they are steam related :) |
| 15:40.29 | Elkano | it's fun if you've got the right people :) |
| 15:40.43 | Kirkburn | I know all three |
| 15:40.53 | Kirkburn | Although I've not played any of them |
| 15:41.41 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, yeah a Lionhead guy did it. S'why Lionhead is so cool, it allows employees lots of freedom |
| 15:42.03 | Kirkburn | And now they've got Micsrosoft behind them, it should only get better |
| 15:42.11 | Shouryuu | And they make good games :P |
| 15:42.13 | Shouryuu | well usualy |
| 15:42.26 | Shouryuu | I was really disapointed by Fable And B&W2, but meh... |
| 15:42.46 | Kirkburn | They're very 'different' games, almost too open ended |
| 15:43.17 | Shouryuu | Fable was just too much of Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click Right click Left click |
| 15:43.41 | Shouryuu | And b&w2 was just, leave your creature do everything and wait and see... |
| 15:44.20 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 15:54.33 | Kirkburn | I'm sure people have seen this before, but it's still cool http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/ |
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| 15:55.06 | Stylpe | Chuuu! |
| 15:56.42 | Qaarh | Kirkburn, and the sound is horrible.. |
| 15:57.06 | Kirkburn | :( |
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| 16:04.52 | Kirkburn | How many games do you recognise ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4VZOjKRxA&feature=Views&page=2&t=w&f=b |
| 16:07.02 | Kalroth | donkey kong! |
| 16:07.21 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:07.26 | Kalroth | tetris :p |
| 16:07.31 | Shouryuu | that was one cool game... |
| 16:07.42 | Kalroth | mario bros :D |
| 16:08.00 | Kalroth | urgh, dunno the next one |
| 16:08.26 | Kalroth | zelda :D |
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| 16:08.53 | Kirkburn | Duck Shoot I think it was called |
| 16:09.04 | Kirkburn | And the rolling ball one I played, but don't recall the name of |
| 16:10.29 | Ratbert_CP | Marble Madness |
| 16:10.40 | Kirkburn | Ah yeah |
| 16:11.12 | Qaarh | Kirkburn, Duck Hunt :) Old games on that one, really old ones.. love the animation :) |
| 16:11.24 | Kirkburn | Duck Hunt of course! |
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| 16:14.15 | Stylpe | So, I'm kinda tired of waiting like 20 seconds every time I connect to Freenode because ident doesn't work. Is anyone familiar with that? |
| 16:14.39 | Kirkburn | Yep |
| 16:14.48 | Kirkburn | * *** Looking up your hostname... |
| 16:14.49 | Kirkburn | * *** Checking ident |
| 16:14.49 | Kirkburn | * *** Couldn't look up your hostname |
| 16:14.49 | Kirkburn | * *** No identd (auth) response |
| 16:17.17 | Wobin_ | yep |
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| 16:17.52 | Adrine | Marble Madness? >_> |
| 16:18.52 | Adrine | Hahahah. I said that before the MArble Madness thing came up. |
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| 16:29.43 | Kirkburn | What was silly was that at 5am this morning I realised that today was a holiday. I was gonna get up at 8:30 :s |
| 16:30.20 | Kirkburn | Holiday in America? |
| 16:31.00 | Beladona | is it? |
| 16:31.30 | Adrine | It is? |
| 16:31.37 | Adrine | Then why am I at work? >_> |
| 16:33.20 | Shouryuu | It is in europe |
| 16:34.08 | Beladona | my next Holiday is May 29th |
| 16:34.11 | Corrodias | there is no holiday in the USA |
| 16:34.17 | krka | bloody communist workers thingy day in sweden |
| 16:34.29 | Kalroth | no holiday in Denmark either |
| 16:35.00 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.25 | Kalroth | sweet, never seen that before, a notification when logging on "no GM tickets today!" |
| 16:35.44 | krka | bloody annoying |
| 16:35.52 | krka | the gm tickets thing |
| 16:36.44 | Corrodias | ..what does that mean? |
| 16:36.53 | Kalroth | All GMs are on holiday |
| 16:37.04 | Corrodias | they're not accepting tickets, you're a GM and don't have any tickets, or you are a player and don't have any tickets? and you just answered the question. woot. |
| 16:37.10 | zenzelezz | "The 1st of May is a Labor Day holiday in France and working on this specific day is subject to tough legal restrictions. As a consequence, Blizzard Europe will be unable to provide support on Monday, May 1st. The realms will be available for play as usual but our Game Master and other support teams will be unable to respond to your queries." |
| 16:37.11 | Kalroth | noone can work first of may unless you got a life critical job in France |
| 16:37.28 | Kirkburn | It's a very odd law |
| 16:37.33 | Kalroth | indeed |
| 16:37.34 | krka | yes |
| 16:37.34 | Corrodias | haha, go france! stick it to those noob workers |
| 16:37.41 | Kirkburn | V |
| 16:37.45 | Shouryuu | IT comes from the US |
| 16:37.52 | Adrine | As an american, the concept of making work illegal on certain days/times is just so...bizarre. |
| 16:38.06 | Kirkburn | Blizz should move to the UK :) |
| 16:38.23 | Corrodias | i love when the government tells you that you can't earn any money today :3 |
| 16:38.33 | Shouryuu | It commemorates a strike which made several dead in Boston in the last XIXth century, which restricted work days to 8hours |
| 16:38.47 | Kalroth | it's a holiday, you get full payment, Corro |
| 16:39.34 | Corrodias | they pay you for nonexistant hours? |
| 16:40.09 | Corrodias | how can it be known how much to pay for a job of variable time? |
| 16:40.11 | Kalroth | dunno how it works over there, but you get paid during holidays here |
| 16:40.20 | Kalroth | percentage |
| 16:40.28 | Kalroth | you work xx hours, you earn xx hours of holidays |
| 16:40.46 | Kalroth | work a full year and you earn all holidays, etc. |
| 16:41.25 | Corrodias | hmm. so that's free cheese for workers. not as bad a deal as i expected. :/ |
| 16:41.33 | Kalroth | nope :) |
| 16:42.28 | Kirkburn | Dammit! |
| 16:42.37 | Kirkburn | I just picked up a parcel of mine and it's missing two items |
| 16:42.44 | Kalroth | >< |
| 16:42.57 | Kirkburn | It was open and there's no sign of Oblivion and a music CD |
| 16:43.40 | Kirkburn | They're on the receipt though |
| 16:43.50 | Corrodias | that ain't cool |
| 16:43.51 | Kalroth | There's a happy postal worker playing Oblivion while listening to the Grease soundtrack atm |
| 16:44.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:44.58 | Kirkburn | Lol, not Grease, thankyouverymuch |
| 16:46.06 | Kirkburn | grr |
| 16:46.21 | Kirkburn | It was by Tokyo Project, actually |
| 16:47.16 | Kirkburn | I don't expect you to know them :) Got Green Wing, Wallace and Gromit DVDs and Dreamweaver 8 book, but the rest is missing :( |
| 16:47.23 | Kirkburn | Not sure what to do about it |
| 16:47.48 | Kalroth | Call the place you order the stuff from |
| 16:48.03 | Kalroth | They're the one that'll have to complain at the postal service they used |
| 16:48.28 | Shouryuu | Tokyo Project? |
| 16:48.40 | Shouryuu | Gotan Project, Tokyo Project... what next |
| 16:48.56 | Kirkburn | Ordered from amazon |
| 16:49.45 | Kalroth | This Season's Most Stylish Club Anthems! |
| 16:49.48 | Corrodias | Emperor Hirohito Project |
| 16:50.03 | Shouryuu | oh noez, what have I done |
| 16:51.21 | Kirkburn | I sent an email to amazon, maybe I get new copies ... |
| 16:51.27 | Kirkburn | *i'll |
| 16:53.14 | Kirkburn | I'm having a grammar-failure day :( |
| 16:53.32 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:54.01 | Kirkburn | Time to watch Green Wing to make myself happier :P |
| 17:00.59 | krka | funny stuff: http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3635 |
| 17:02.34 | Kalroth | yeah, read that :) |
| 17:02.57 | Kalroth | some boys needs to learn to keep their wang in the pants when playing online |
| 17:04.20 | Kalroth | I love the first screenshot on the second page though :D |
| 17:09.17 | Shouryuu | whoever proposed Audacity as an mp3 editor, thank you |
| 17:12.25 | Adrine | Audacity is great :) |
| 17:12.40 | Shouryuu | yeah I'm a noob but the possiblity seem... endless :p |
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| 17:22.51 | Kirkburn | Heh, I remember that article |
| 17:24.22 | Cairenn | that's just pathetic |
| 17:24.41 | Cairenn | I've *never* used the fact I'm female to get stuff in game, that is *so* sad |
| 17:25.11 | Kalroth | Cairenn: Well he isn't a female. :) |
| 17:25.14 | Kirov | I know plenty of men use the fact their character is female to get stuff. |
| 17:25.24 | Cairenn | either way, that is just .... ewww |
| 17:25.50 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_VK-tg1THM&search=Steve%20Bridges%20 |
| 17:25.50 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcIRXur61II&search=colbert |
| 17:25.52 | Kalroth | I used the bra pickup line once, but it was on my main character which is a male orc. |
| 17:25.54 | Kirov | awesome |
| 17:26.28 | Kalroth | And I didn't get any tells :( |
| 17:27.29 | Kirov | Whoever on Bush's staff came up with doing these are brilliant |
| 17:31.24 | Corrodias | i don't understand what's going on |
| 17:32.22 | Cairenn | that is funny |
| 17:33.25 | Corrodias | why are there two people... |
| 17:33.25 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 17:33.37 | Corrodias | the videos. i don't understand what's going on. |
| 17:34.06 | Corrodias | maybe it's "thoughts on the right, speech on the left" |
| 17:34.29 | Kirov | Corrodias - the first video, that's President Bush on the left and an impersonator on the right. |
| 17:35.31 | Kirov | These are at the White House Correspondent's Dinner |
| 17:35.44 | Cairenn | okay, for the first time ever, I actually like Bush |
| 17:35.59 | wereHamster | ? what did he do ? |
| 17:36.07 | Cairenn | good for him, for being wiling to go along with this |
| 17:36.34 | Kirov | Cairenn - that's what I was thinking, and why I think who ever it was who came up with this idea on his staff should be given a huge raise. |
| 17:36.40 | Cairenn | definitely |
| 17:36.49 | wereHamster | ah.. the videos.. too bad I can't watch them :( |
| 17:37.07 | Kirov | were - firewall blocks them? |
| 17:38.26 | Corrodias | maybe he/she doesn't have the flash plugin installed |
| 17:39.21 | wereHamster | no.. 64bit linux here |
| 17:39.36 | Kirov | if I have a local non-table variable in an if statement, does it get removed from memory as soon as the if statement is done, or does it linger till gc? |
| 17:40.27 | krka | depends |
| 17:40.35 | krka | it may be survive in a function closure |
| 17:41.11 | krka | i think |
| 17:41.44 | krka | like this: if cond then local var f = function() return var end return f end |
| 17:42.01 | Kirkburn | Lol, Tseric uses the bluetracker too :) |
| 17:42.09 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 17:42.52 | Kirkburn | Shows, er, how bad the current forums are :s |
| 17:42.56 | Kirov | I'm having a user report that my addon is creating a 14+ kb/s increase in his memory usage rate. |
| 17:43.10 | Shouryuu | which addon? |
| 17:43.19 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4881 |
| 17:43.33 | Kirov | Every variable save one is a local to the addon that I reuse |
| 17:43.50 | krka | i'll take a look at it :) |
| 17:44.00 | Shouryuu | ohh that compass mod? |
| 17:44.15 | Kirov | I'm also trying to figure out why the onupdate function is so slow |
| 17:44.49 | Shouryuu | morning |
| 17:45.30 | krka | that's 14+ kb/s when idle, right? |
| 17:45.37 | Kirov | krka - yeah |
| 17:46.54 | krka | whoa... we have a get-facing now+ |
| 17:46.58 | krka | when did we get that? |
| 17:47.08 | Kirov | krka - my own function |
| 17:47.28 | krka | minimapPlayerModel:GetFacing() |
| 17:47.31 | Kirov | it's a local at the top |
| 17:47.32 | krka | that one is your own? |
| 17:47.40 | Kirov | That's from 1.10 |
| 17:47.42 | Kirov | I think |
| 17:47.43 | krka | ah cool |
| 17:47.45 | Kirov | possibly 1.9 |
| 17:47.52 | Shouryuu | arrrghhhhh there goes my internet again |
| 17:47.54 | Kirov | I'd have to dig through iriel's posts |
| 17:48.00 | Wobin_ | What's the url for the bluetracker again? |
| 17:48.07 | krka | it was 1.6 when i last looked at facing, i'll admit |
| 17:48.11 | Kirkburn | http://blue.cardplace.com/ |
| 17:48.18 | Wobin_ | Thank's Kirk =) |
| 17:48.18 | Cairenn | the second one wasn't as good |
| 17:48.35 | Kirov | krka - read the comments in SimpleCompass_OnLoad for how I'm doing it |
| 17:48.36 | Cairenn | and on that note, I'm out for a while |
| 17:48.37 | Cairenn | later |
| 17:48.39 | Tem | Kirov: I don't see anything in your OnUpdate that could be creating garbage |
| 17:48.49 | Kirov | Tem - yeah |
| 17:49.01 | Tem | so... 1 of 2 things |
| 17:49.05 | Tem | 1: The user is lying |
| 17:49.08 | Kirov | In my testing I'm creating zero garbage |
| 17:49.09 | Tem | 2: the user is retarded |
| 17:49.16 | Tem | 3: both |
| 17:49.47 | Kirov | 2.5: user has another mod that's somehow conflicting with this one |
| 17:50.04 | Tem | This is why I wish we had a "stfu noob" choice for bug report status on wowi |
| 17:50.22 | Kirov | Which is usually the case, but I like to double check myself |
| 17:50.26 | Tem | that doesn't seem feasible |
| 17:50.30 | krka | don't see anything that could create garbage there |
| 17:50.46 | krka | yeah, conflicting mod seems most likely |
| 17:51.03 | Kirov | the other question, are powers and math cos / sin really slow? |
| 17:51.25 | krka | probably a bit slow |
| 17:51.50 | krka | shouldn't be noticable here though |
| 17:52.03 | krka | since you're only doing it once per update |
| 17:54.09 | Kirov | Just trying to think of ways to make this faster |
| 17:55.49 | krka | does it need to be? |
| 17:56.02 | krka | use debugprofilestart / stop to see how much time it spends in OnUpdate |
| 17:56.58 | Kirov | i was using http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4843 |
| 17:58.37 | Kirov | It comes back as using 0.15 microseconds each call |
| 17:58.45 | Kirov | er |
| 17:59.01 | Kirov | 15, not 0.15 |
| 17:59.42 | krka | play around with disabling certain parts of it |
| 17:59.58 | krka | figure out which part of the OnUpdate thats taking the most time |
| 18:00.01 | krka | i'm betting it's some api call :P |
| 18:00.15 | Kirov | 4-5 for the GetFacing(), 4-5 for the wobble math even if it's not turned ON, and 4-5 for the final texture turns |
| 18:00.19 | krka | not that 15 microseconds per OnUpdate is something to worry about |
| 18:00.46 | Kirov | The texture rotation calls spike to 20-25 on slow computers with old video cards though |
| 18:01.05 | krka | makes sense |
| 18:01.06 | Tem | well if you are that paranoid about the time it takes |
| 18:01.14 | Tem | localize the widget api functions |
| 18:01.29 | Kirov | Tem - good idea |
| 18:01.34 | krka | and make copies of all the rotations |
| 18:01.34 | Kirov | Personally, I don't care |
| 18:01.37 | krka | how many do you really need? |
| 18:01.52 | Kirov | It doesn't do anything to my fps at all |
| 18:01.59 | Tem | mine either |
| 18:02.02 | Tem | it just looks pretty |
| 18:02.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Stylpe_2 (n=Stylpe@210.80-202-248.nextgentel.com) |
| 18:02.11 | Kirov | But I have a 3200+ and a 6800 Ultra |
| 18:02.14 | Tem | local getfacing = Model.GetFacing |
| 18:03.00 | Kirov | On my laptop with a 1.2ghz Pentium M and 9000 Mobility the texture resolution causes a 2 fps hit |
| 18:03.23 | Kirov | Dropping the res on those removes the fps hit entirely |
| 18:03.35 | Tem | 360 - (getfacing(minimapapPlayerModel)/ (math.pi/180)) |
| 18:03.38 | krka | make 100 textures and pre-rotate them |
| 18:03.41 | Kirov | so, I can't imagine what kind of computers these people are running that would be causing something so horrible. |
| 18:03.42 | krka | then simply choose which texture to show |
| 18:03.47 | Kirov | Tem - I've removed that |
| 18:04.03 | Kirov | I no longer convert to degrees, I keep it in radians |
| 18:04.12 | Kirov | makes some of the code more sane |
| 18:04.18 | Tem | k |
| 18:04.26 | Kirov | I also save pi and pi*2 locally at the start |
| 18:04.27 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:04.49 | Kirov | Which got me back like 0.5 microseconds |
| 18:04.55 | Kirov | (ie: none) |
| 18:06.50 | Kirov | I might also try applying the compass texture to a model using SetIcon() and rotating that instead of a texture |
| 18:07.17 | Kirov | Might be faster on old video cards since it'll just be rotating a poly instead of updating tex coords |
| 18:07.47 | Tem | you think that'll work? |
| 18:08.02 | Kirov | Yeah, should. |
| 18:08.13 | Tem | I have no experience with the models in game |
| 18:08.23 | Kirov | SetIcon() just sets the primary texture of the model, as far as I know. |
| 18:08.40 | Kirov | I'll have to experiment as currently it's only used on the little "Putting item in this bag" animation |
| 18:11.20 | Kirkburn | Very interesting post ... http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-dungeons/492517.htm |
| 18:14.36 | Maldivia | Tem: you got your cursor :) |
| 18:14.44 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, is it true what he says, Back in the day.. ? |
| 18:14.46 | Tem | really? |
| 18:14.50 | Maldivia | yep :) |
| 18:14.54 | Tem | fuckin right |
| 18:15.24 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, pretty sure so |
| 18:15.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Josh_Borke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 18:15.39 | Kirkburn | This would be going back to development days though |
| 18:15.41 | wereHamster | is Tigole a Blizzard developer? |
| 18:15.47 | Kirkburn | Lead dev |
| 18:15.51 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:16.17 | Kirov | "Imagine, hunters, having to stand around in combat to be effective... " |
| 18:16.19 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:17.36 | Kirkburn | They'd have loved that |
| 18:18.02 | Kirov | Kirkburn - what do you think we hunters do in pve now? |
| 18:18.18 | Kirkburn | uhhh |
| 18:18.45 | wereHamster | "how to beat Onyxia" posts. Before she had died, people speculated that you had to kill all the eggs to win or pull her into the egg pit in order to defeat her. -- lol |
| 18:19.02 | Kirov | were - I was thinking that's probably what gave them the idea for Razorgore |
| 18:25.15 | Maldivia | except they changed "spawn mobs when an egg breaks" to "let's spawn mobs constantly" |
| 18:27.46 | Qaarh | that was fun reading.. awesome :) |
| 18:37.26 | Kirov | krka - btw what was your comment about reducing the number of saved rotations? |
| 18:38.22 | krka | i was suggestion you have a fixed set of angles to show, and prerotate that many textures |
| 18:38.31 | krka | that way, there should be less strain on the graphics card |
| 18:38.42 | Kirov | That'd be a bigger hit |
| 18:38.44 | krka | could make it a setting, even |
| 18:38.50 | krka | bigger hit? |
| 18:38.53 | Kirov | yeah |
| 18:39.11 | Kirov | Swapping textures is one of the slowest things you can do on video cards |
| 18:39.25 | Kirov | it's actually a HUGE hit on old video cards. |
| 18:39.53 | krka | hm |
| 18:40.09 | krka | you're probably right |
| 18:40.18 | Kirov | Console games actually try and pack all textures used by a game's level (not including characters / items) in to a single texture, sometimes including light maps, etc if they exist to reduce texture swaps as much as possible. |
| 18:40.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge tragywydd (n=Tragywyd@cpe-24-59-154-163.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 18:41.02 | Kirov | texture coordinates are fast in comparison |
| 18:41.25 | Kirov | plus, if they have a low memory card, it's probably going to have to reupload it to the card's memory each time it swaps. |
| 18:41.55 | Kirov | poly rotation is a ton ton faster than either of them, but I don't know if the function call itself will be or not. |
| 18:42.00 | krka | i'm convinced already :P |
| 18:42.07 | Kirov | heh, sorry |
| 18:42.07 | Corrodias | i believe that Oblivion in its normal configuration uses over 128mb of video memory. |
| 18:42.11 | Kirov | I do this for a living. =P |
| 18:42.26 | Kirkburn | I could test that Corrodias, if it hadn't got lost in the post :( |
| 18:42.32 | Corrodias | you can easily reach 256 with only minor texture replacements and exceed 400 with extensive ones. |
| 18:43.00 | Kirov | only 128 megs? |
| 18:43.02 | Corrodias | i have a 256mb video card right now. if i load it up near to full with textures, i get 24fps looking at a certain hill. if i go up to about 350, i get 14fps |
| 18:43.22 | Kirov | I'd expect Oblivion to be pushing 300 pretty much all the time. |
| 18:43.41 | Kirov | I guess you have to keep the graphics setting fairly low? |
| 18:43.46 | Kirkburn | And I can't find out! :( |
| 18:43.57 | Kirkburn | Bloody italian postal service |
| 18:43.57 | tragywydd | wait, are you telling me those obscene 512mb cards are actually worth it?! |
| 18:44.11 | Corrodias | (geforce 7800 gt, pci-e interface, board nforce4, cpu athlon 64 3700+, memory 2gb of ddr400 that isn't especially low-latency) |
| 18:44.47 | Corrodias | tragywydd: i'd have to say... not really, not yet, because no game besides Oblivion is going to use over 256mb, and even then only if you load it with high-res texture replacements |
| 18:44.58 | Corrodias | still, i want a 7800 gtx 512mb edition. |
| 18:45.13 | tragywydd | lol. |
| 18:45.27 | tragywydd | i p lay wow on a laptop with a 64mb vid card, currently |
| 18:45.32 | Maldivia | why not 7900gtx? |
| 18:45.38 | Corrodias | even 7900 would be fine. i've never been a fan of AA, though, which is what they're really designed for, it seems, for extra price |
| 18:46.27 | Maldivia | I've gotten so used to playing with AA on... |
| 18:46.30 | Corrodias | as i understand from a tester/game benchmark review, the 7800 will slightly outperform it in a straight race, but packing on heavy AA will let the 7900 pull ahead |
| 18:46.56 | Shouryuu | my god that something awfull page is hilarious |
| 18:47.18 | Corrodias | i tried AA a couple of times but i hated the "blurry" look. i guess you have to have a high resolution to go along with it, and then you have high res FSAA which is quite taxing on your card, and something i could not afford with my old geforce 4 |
| 18:47.27 | Maldivia | personally, I prefer to go for the middle, which is at half the price, and then upgrade twice as often :) |
| 18:47.47 | tragywydd | either all of you take your gaming very seriously, or some of you write computer graphics engines for a living |
| 18:48.11 | Maldivia | or they just have too much money... |
| 18:48.28 | tragywydd | yeah no kidding, lol. |
| 18:48.49 | Corrodias | if i wanted a 7800gtx 512mb, if i could even -find- the sale any more, i'd still have to pay a lot more for it than i could get for my current one. it's just not worth it. :/ |
| 18:49.20 | tragywydd | Corrdias: agreed. the 512 cards are ridiculously overprice, imo |
| 18:49.32 | Tain | Yeah, go sli instead! |
| 18:49.56 | Corrodias | SLI won't help you hold textures in memory. it will just cost more for calculation performance |
| 18:50.27 | Tain | You can have my Voodoo 2 when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. |
| 18:50.38 | tragywydd | SLI is proprietary to nVidia, right? |
| 18:50.55 | Tain | It's whoever wants to do it, but it's specific to each type of video card. |
| 18:51.00 | Corrodias | yes. ATI has a very sad imitator, crossfire |
| 18:51.15 | Corrodias | i expect it will improve, but they had to start from scratch while nvidia got a bunch of stuff when they bought 3dfx |
| 18:51.32 | wereHamster | I must say that I'm very happy with my 7800GTX/256MB and PCI-E interface.. |
| 18:52.04 | wereHamster | I watned PCI-E because of the better readback from card to main memory |
| 18:52.24 | Tain | I had to go look at my card because I couldn't remember what I bought. |
| 18:52.30 | Corrodias | well, just be warned, swapping textures every frame will still probably slow you way down |
| 18:52.43 | Corrodias | so try not to fill your video memory |
| 18:52.47 | Kirov | I run 1600x1200 with 4x FSAA |
| 18:52.49 | Tain | 7900GT 256 |
| 18:52.53 | tragywydd | is there any bottlenecking in SLI? |
| 18:53.07 | Corrodias | tragywydd: no, your entire computer runs at infinite speed |
| 18:53.09 | Kirov | I have an LCD, so the aliasing is really painful with out the fsaa |
| 18:53.22 | tragywydd | =p I meant between the two video crads |
| 18:53.25 | tragywydd | cards even |
| 18:53.25 | Corrodias | your framerate will be so high that you can see into the future |
| 18:53.25 | Kirov | if I still used a CRT I'd probably run with out |
| 18:53.29 | wereHamster | Corrodias, I wish mine would :-P |
| 18:53.31 | Tain | I run 1680x1050 and it's absolutely beautiful. |
| 18:53.36 | tragywydd | h8 you all |
| 18:54.11 | Tain | My framerates once went so high playing HalfLife 2 that they went into the past and started showing HalfLife. |
| 18:54.14 | Corrodias | my monitor can only handle 1600x1200 @ 75hz, and then things are a little small for my taste. it's only a 19 or 20 inch. |
| 18:54.16 | Kirov | Tain - Dell 2005WPF? |
| 18:54.31 | tragywydd | I run my monitor at 1920 x 1200, it's 17 inches |
| 18:54.35 | Tain | Yeah Kirov, 2005FPW |
| 18:54.42 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:54.49 | Kirov | lysdexia ftw! |
| 18:55.03 | Kirov | or possibly wtf! |
| 18:55.05 | Corrodias | fpw.. is that the hugeass widescreen LCD? |
| 18:55.15 | Tain | I have the 20" widescreen |
| 18:55.25 | Kirov | Flat Panel Widescreen |
| 18:55.28 | Tain | The 24 and 30" are absurd. |
| 18:55.36 | Tain | In a good way. |
| 18:55.49 | Corrodias | ah, the 24" was the one i want to buy |
| 18:55.50 | Kirov | A friend of mine runs at 1920x1080 on a 37" |
| 18:55.57 | Kirkburn | wow |
| 18:56.01 | tragywydd | lol |
| 18:56.05 | Kirov | He just got it recently, the thing is insane |
| 18:56.10 | Kirov | $1200 |
| 18:56.12 | Tain | I just didn't want to spend more on my display than for the rest of my computer combined. |
| 18:56.13 | Kirkburn | Dell? |
| 18:56.20 | Kirov | Kirkburn Sceptre |
| 18:56.26 | Kirkburn | Don't know them |
| 18:56.32 | Corrodias | that sounds like what one of the university's computer labs has.. the four side rooms have huge (presumably plasma) screens |
| 18:56.35 | Tain | Costco carries them, they're flying off the shelves. |
| 18:56.42 | wereHamster | I an easily get transfer rates >500MB/s from video RAM to system RAM .. that's more than 100FPS at 1280x1024, but the bottleneck is the video compression and not the transfer .. |
| 18:56.43 | Josh_Borke | a friend of mine has a 24" dell widescreen and a 20" dell widescreen :-( |
| 18:56.49 | Kirkburn | Surely they're rather heavy, Tain |
| 18:56.54 | Kirov | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112174 |
| 18:56.57 | Tain | LIght as a feather! |
| 18:57.02 | Tain | Plus they drink Red Bull. |
| 18:57.04 | Tain | So they have wings. |
| 18:57.06 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:57.08 | Josh_Borke | i want to kill him and steal it |
| 18:57.18 | Josh_Borke | s/it/them/ |
| 18:57.20 | Corrodias | wereHamster: what can i say? -i- personally get a huge performance hit if i use too much video memory with textures all being drawn at once. maybe you won't. |
| 18:57.23 | Kirov | Sceptre is an industrial display manufacturer that have started coming out with their own tvs. |
| 18:57.31 | Kirkburn | Er, I have a 17" Dell widescreen? Am I safe from Josh_Borke ? |
| 18:57.42 | Kirov | amazingly good lcd displays in an exceptionally crappy frame |
| 18:57.54 | Kirov | but 1920x1080 p |
| 18:57.59 | Kirov | with a DVI in |
| 18:58.03 | Josh_Borke | yes, you're fine. i just hate that he has 2 20+ LCDs |
| 18:58.08 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:58.09 | wereHamster | Corrodias, I don't use video mem at all, I just want to transfer the frontbuffer to system memory for compression |
| 18:58.09 | Josh_Borke | and i know where he lives... |
| 18:58.27 | Josh_Borke | now who can tell my why my LAN transfer is horribly slow in linux? |
| 18:58.30 | Kirkburn | Kirov, is that the top HDTV standard res? |
| 18:58.55 | Kirov | Kirkburn - for the western world, yes |
| 18:59.07 | Corrodias | http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=304 review of the 24" dell one |
| 18:59.25 | tragywydd | Kirov: where's there a higher one? Japan? |
| 18:59.37 | Corrodias | television, being a good 15 years behind the technology curve, does not much interest me |
| 18:59.37 | Kirov | tragy- yeah |
| 18:59.41 | Tain | Virtually nothing actually puts out a 1080p signal today though. |
| 18:59.54 | Tain | (In the US.) |
| 18:59.57 | tragywydd | well, most TVs are still 640x480 |
| 19:00.00 | Kirov | They have 1256p there |
| 19:00.09 | tragywydd | excessive, if you ask me |
| 19:00.10 | Kirov | trag - tvs are actually 640x440 |
| 19:00.22 | tragywydd | I stand corrected :) |
| 19:00.51 | tragywydd | isn't PAL higher quality than NTSC as far as old standards go? |
| 19:00.53 | Kirov | Tain - yeah, HDDVD has the badwidth and storage for it, but won't be using it. |
| 19:01.23 | Kirov | Sony won't let BlueRay do more than 1080i afaik |
| 19:01.34 | Corrodias | PAL has a few more "lines" and a slightly lower refresh rate |
| 19:01.45 | Corrodias | pal-60 has the best of both |
| 19:01.57 | Kirov | PAL is 24hz, right? |
| 19:01.59 | Corrodias | but still sucks ass compared to a 10-year-old computer |
| 19:02.02 | Kirov | instead of 30? |
| 19:02.02 | Corrodias | 50hz. |
| 19:02.07 | Corrodias | instead of 60 |
| 19:02.30 | Corrodias | if you're going by full frame refresh, then yes, probably 24 vs 30 |
| 19:02.32 | Kirov | well, effectively 25 and 30, since they're both interlaced standards |
| 19:04.30 | Corrodias | there are two things that concern me about that 24" dell widescreen LCD monitor. 1) i have to wait a long time before i can afford it, and 2) i'm not sure how good widescreen support is in games and how tolerant of 4:3 resolutions the monitor is |
| 19:04.43 | Kirov | I'm expecting the asian world to have 4444x2500p movies on their cell phones before the western world gets 1080i with any consistancy |
| 19:04.43 | Corrodias | i do not want it to stretch the image. i'd rather have it centered. |
| 19:05.05 | Kirov | Corrodias - You can do either |
| 19:05.18 | Kirov | Either through the monitor or through your video card |
| 19:05.48 | wereHamster | Kirov, they already have 100MBit internet here only small companies can afford 2MBit ADSL |
| 19:05.57 | wereHamster | the world is unfair |
| 19:06.37 | cmunn | They are also much smaller though... |
| 19:06.59 | Kirov | were - yeah, I remember seeing them advertizing 16Mbit cable for $5 in japan back when cable companies here were touting their 1.5Mbit |
| 19:07.01 | Maldivia | Kirov: well, then they really need to up the storage capacity (or network bandwidth) for cellphones, unless they only wants to watch 2 seconds :) |
| 19:07.07 | wereHamster | JP still is much bigger then CH |
| 19:07.37 | Kirov | Maldivia - why? Their wireless broadband already supports 480p signals. |
| 19:08.05 | Maldivia | Kirov: well, going from 480p to 2500p, that's quite a step... |
| 19:08.06 | Kirov | Actually, they could probably watch 720p |
| 19:08.52 | Maldivia | we're talking about around a factor 25, going from 480 to 2500... |
| 19:09.14 | Kirov | yeah, only 25! |
| 19:09.25 | Kirov | They'll have that in like ... next month |
| 19:10.39 | Corrodias | ISPs in america totally screw us on prices |
| 19:12.33 | Kirov | I'm just glad I don't live in england / australia |
| 19:12.38 | Corrodias | "only businesses need halfway decent upstream, and they can afford anything!" |
| 19:13.32 | Corrodias | i take it theirs is worse? well, i know australia's must be, but britain, too? |
| 19:13.37 | Qaarh | 100mbit downstream, 10mbit upstream.. good enough for me :D |
| 19:13.45 | Kirov | The company I work for was just recently bought by another... and they have a fiber connection. |
| 19:13.52 | Kirov | Yay for uber speed net! |
| 19:14.17 | Kirov | from a 2 Mbit ADSL to a 10 MB fiber! |
| 19:14.21 | Kirov | yay! |
| 19:14.32 | Qaarh | nice |
| 19:14.35 | Kirov | They also have a 256 MB line |
| 19:14.35 | Corrodias | wish i had 2mbit SDSL :( |
| 19:14.39 | Kirov | but we don't get that |
| 19:14.57 | Kirov | well, by "we" I mean the average employees. |
| 19:15.14 | cmunn | I can get 2mbit SDSL in Mississippi for about $80/mon |
| 19:15.53 | Corrodias | i could live with that |
| 19:15.54 | cmunn | It's not too bad |
| 19:16.08 | Qaarh | $80/month on 2mbit? |
| 19:16.18 | Maldivia | I have a 1024/512, and pay around $30/month |
| 19:16.24 | cmunn | 2Mbit, yea |
| 19:16.25 | Qaarh | if I told you what I pay for this 100/10 connection... you'd kill me |
| 19:16.36 | cmunn | Yes, Yes I would. |
| 19:16.38 | Corrodias | depends on where you live, Qaarh |
| 19:16.44 | Qaarh | sweden ;) |
| 19:16.57 | Wobin_ | Yes, well the swedes don't count =P |
| 19:17.01 | Corrodias | that place is inaccessible to me, so i cannot be dissatisfied with what you get |
| 19:17.01 | cmunn | Oh, nevermind... Swedish have small penises so it's ok |
| 19:17.02 | Qaarh | heh |
| 19:17.11 | Wobin_ | Cause everyone knows they have stupid internet =) |
| 19:17.41 | Kirkburn | Word 2007 in Vista ... http://officeblogs.net/UI/WordVista.png |
| 19:17.44 | Corrodias | if i were to consider moving to another country, sweden would be on the list of those i would research. however, i don't really like the idea of being a foreigner anywhere. |
| 19:18.02 | Qaarh | heh |
| 19:18.03 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, Service Unavailable? |
| 19:18.04 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: yeah, seen it, and dont really like it |
| 19:18.11 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 19:18.24 | Adrine | It looks a lot like Word 12 with more gloss |
| 19:18.25 | cmunn | OH MY GOD ITS AMAZING! I CANT WAIT FOR VISTA!!! |
| 19:18.37 | Corrodias | it seems some countries also have requirements for immigrants. as i recall, canada wouldn't let me in even if i wanted to go. |
| 19:18.50 | Kirkburn | Adrine, it is word 12 ... |
| 19:18.53 | Corrodias | YEAH WOW A NEW VISUAL STYLE! HOW DID THEY DO IT! |
| 19:19.59 | Corrodias | they did it by trying to lock us out of using any styles but their own, but we didn't fall for it and we are not impressed by Vista. |
| 19:20.10 | Kirkburn | Wha? |
| 19:20.25 | Gryphen | o.O |
| 19:20.51 | Kirkburn | I don't recall Microsoft forcing OpenOffice to emulate Office |
| 19:20.57 | Kirkburn | Or any other for that matter |
| 19:21.23 | Corrodias | windows xp and 2k3 do not let you use any visual styles except microsoft's unless you get a patched uxtheme.dll or a program that hooks the calls, or whatever stylexp does |
| 19:21.45 | Corrodias | i'm not talking about the functionality of office programs... :o |
| 19:22.01 | Adrine | Or unless you buy Microsoft Plus! |
| 19:22.30 | Gryphen | wow styles |
| 19:22.36 | tragywydd|afk | the exclamation point is to distract you from its crappiness |
| 19:22.37 | Corrodias | i doubt that unlocks the theme service. it might add a few styles. |
| 19:22.38 | Kirkburn | Er, okay ... but that doesn't in any way force a program to take those styles |
| 19:23.03 | Adrine | I suspect it just adds signed styles that uxtheme allows through |
| 19:23.05 | Kirkburn | And MS have released several new styles |
| 19:23.09 | Corrodias | it forces you to use Luna or Classic. plus anything that microsoft is gracious enough to sell. |
| 19:23.18 | Kirkburn | But yeah, they probably need to be signed |
| 19:23.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:23.57 | Kirkburn | What kind of styles are you asking for? There are 4 standard styles, and several more free on the MS site |
| 19:24.34 | Corrodias | the hundreds, perhaps thousands of styles available from artists (okay, probably only a few hundred decent ones), free |
| 19:24.41 | Gryphen | bloat |
| 19:25.48 | Kirkburn | Well, you can use that against any other program ever. Don't disagree it would be nice though :) |
| 19:26.03 | cmunn | I like my choice of themes as it is. |
| 19:26.41 | cmunn | Aqua or Graphite. and a lot less bloat |
| 19:27.10 | Corrodias | we're not talking about themes. i take it you're using the classic style, then? |
| 19:27.22 | Kirkburn | I don't know the exact story behind it, but Stardock helped MS develop the Windows style stuff. I think part of the deal was probably that it would allow Stardock to sell a UI changer program |
| 19:27.55 | cmunn | I use Panther |
| 19:27.57 | Corrodias | well, that could be. stylexp is their product, as i recall. |
| 19:28.39 | Kirkburn | Windowblinds :P |
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| 19:29.42 | Corrodias | really? that doesn't even use the theme engine, does it? |
| 19:30.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
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| 19:31.24 | Iriel | Morning |
| 19:31.30 | Maldivia | Cide: I see you found the new addon-site, and it's forum post :) |
| 19:31.33 | Maldivia | evening :) |
| 19:31.43 | Cide | evening, and yes |
| 19:32.20 | Josh_Borke | Iriel: morning |
| 19:32.26 | Cide | actually, let me make it more harsh. I'm too nice |
| 19:32.26 | Cairenn|cranky | heads up guys, yet another new site out there uploading your mods without permission: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=370933&p=1&tmp=1#post370933 |
| 19:33.04 | Shouryuu | yup |
| 19:33.23 | Maldivia | hehe... |
| 19:33.28 | Corrodias | ah, you silly content creators |
| 19:33.30 | Kirkburn | A giant cheer goes up from the auditorium! |
| 19:33.51 | Cairenn|cranky | and I am in just foul enough mood to make one big ass deal about it |
| 19:34.22 | Corrodias | sue them for copyright infringement! |
| 19:34.25 | Kirkburn | *kids :( |
| 19:34.31 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:35.20 | Kalroth | oh I remember Filenuts, nice site |
| 19:35.32 | Kalroth | bit late in the addon "scene" though :) |
| 19:35.49 | Kirkburn | I love the fact we've got a setcursor thing now :) |
| 19:35.55 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:36.13 | Shouryuu | but didn't he say it would be "heavy" on performance? |
| 19:36.51 | Kirkburn | A relative term |
| 19:36.59 | Kirkburn | A 32x32 image |
| 19:37.18 | Maldivia | as heavy as loading a 5kb file from disk, parsing it, and rendering it? |
| 19:37.35 | Cairenn|cranky | "And may I ask *where* you are getting them from? You don't want me to discover that you are pulling them from our site, it won't be pretty. |
| 19:37.35 | Cairenn|cranky | I have no problem with new sites, whatsoever, and we atWoWInterface do everything we can to work with the other sites outthere for the good of the community. I hope it goes well for you. |
| 19:37.35 | Cairenn|cranky | However, we first and foremost protect addon authors and theirrights. We second protect our own rights. Don't download from our siteto upload to your own." |
| 19:38.03 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:38.27 | Corrodias | time for my nap. |
| 19:38.58 | Kalroth | Cairenn needs one too! |
| 19:39.08 | Cairenn|cranky | probably |
| 19:39.27 | Cairenn|cranky | I'm in a nasty enough mood that it would probably do everyone good if I weren't around right now |
| 19:40.47 | Kalroth | *her |
| 19:40.48 | Kalroth | HER |
| 19:40.50 | Kalroth | .. |
| 19:40.50 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:40.51 | Cide | haha |
| 19:40.53 | Cairenn|cranky | ... |
| 19:40.59 | krka | i wish my brother would stop playing now so i could resume coding :P |
| 19:41.00 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 19:41.01 | Cairenn|cranky | look |
| 19:41.08 | Cairenn|cranky | < boobs |
| 19:41.13 | krka | w00t! b00bs! |
| 19:41.18 | Kalroth | boobies! |
| 19:41.20 | Shouryuu | b00b!3z |
| 19:41.24 | Cairenn|cranky | and not man boobs, either |
| 19:41.28 | krka | damn :( |
| 19:41.31 | Shouryuu | Pavlovian reflexes my god... |
| 19:41.32 | krka | those are the best kind |
| 19:41.38 | Shouryuu | ewwww |
| 19:41.38 | Kalroth | sweet, 1 down, 60 to go |
| 19:41.49 | Kirkburn | Wow, "in the interest of avoiding lawsuits I strongly recommend that you shut down the site immediately." |
| 19:42.30 | Shouryuu | ouch |
| 19:42.40 | Cairenn|cranky | oh neat, another one ... http://www.finkles-installer.com/ |
| 19:42.42 | Cairenn|cranky | ct is there |
| 19:42.46 | krka | i wonder if we could ask EFF for help matters such as this :) |
| 19:43.02 | Adrine | You know. I don't know why it's so hard to differentiate between "freely available" and "public domain". |
| 19:43.05 | Cide | sigh |
| 19:43.16 | cmunn | pix plz, Cairenn? |
| 19:43.18 | Shouryuu | But I don't understand why people do this |
| 19:43.24 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|cranky, that is one ugly site |
| 19:43.25 | Adrine | My addons being freely available doesn't mean you're granted rights to redistribute them. |
| 19:43.40 | krka | good thing zeeg isn't here atm :P |
| 19:43.48 | Cairenn|cranky | he got banned |
| 19:43.50 | krka | oh |
| 19:43.54 | krka | makes sense |
| 19:43.57 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 19:44.00 | Kirkburn | lol, also he's giving up WoWguru |
| 19:44.04 | Cairenn|cranky | he is no longer welcome in this channel |
| 19:44.05 | Tain | Some people have good intentions and feel like they're actually helping by putting up sites, without thinking it through. |
| 19:44.07 | Cairenn|cranky | Kirkburn: ?? |
| 19:44.13 | Adrine | I'm sure they have good intentions |
| 19:44.16 | Kirkburn | I'll get a link |
| 19:44.17 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 19:44.18 | Tain | Others just want to make money. |
| 19:44.30 | Cairenn|cranky | it only takes 2 minutes to contact each author and ask for permission |
| 19:44.34 | Cairenn|cranky | without that, though .... |
| 19:44.37 | Shouryuu | But I mean, believe that making *another* UI site will help just, not smart |
| 19:44.38 | Cide | interesting, "CTMod v1.854, CT_RaidAssist v1.532, CT_RABossMods" has 12199 downloads... riiiight. |
| 19:44.43 | Tain | Not everyone has good intentions. Some see anything as an opportunity to put up ads and try to generate revenue. |
| 19:45.14 | Cairenn|cranky | I have NO objection to there being other sites out there |
| 19:45.14 | Cairenn|cranky | not one |
| 19:45.18 | Cairenn|cranky | BUT |
| 19:45.18 | Cide | they also fake votes |
| 19:45.22 | Adrine | hahahah |
| 19:45.23 | Cide | (filenuts.com) |
| 19:45.29 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13351 |
| 19:45.31 | Cairenn|cranky | Cide: rofl, you serious? |
| 19:45.35 | Cide | well |
| 19:45.42 | Cide | CTRA had an average of 4, with 90 votes |
| 19:45.53 | Kalroth | What? That's way too high! |
| 19:46.01 | Cide | I voted 5 (don't ask :P), which upped the votes to 91 with an average of 4.01 |
| 19:46.03 | krka | it kinda annoys me that i can't find any of my stuff on these sites :P |
| 19:46.11 | krka | my stuff isn't even good enough to get stolen? :( |
| 19:46.13 | Maldivia | Kirkburn ? |
| 19:46.17 | Kalroth | awww krka |
| 19:46.19 | Cide | (90*4 + 5) / 91 = 4.01 |
| 19:46.20 | Shouryuu | krka lol |
| 19:46.23 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, it's about zeeg |
| 19:46.30 | Kalroth | krka: I'll host your addons without asking you! |
| 19:46.35 | Adrine | It's a very...I dunno, young move, looks like. Brilliant kids putting stuff together and want their stuff to look like the "big boys". |
| 19:46.36 | Cide | so APPARENTLY, 90 users had all voted pretty much exactly 4 |
| 19:46.40 | krka | I'll sue you Kalroth ! |
| 19:46.44 | Kalroth | <3 |
| 19:46.53 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: yes... and ? |
| 19:47.00 | Kirkburn | zeeg leaving |
| 19:47.17 | Adrine | When I was 11, I wrote a "math flashcard" program, and labeled it version 7.3 when I was done because the whole "biggish version number" thing was "cool" to me or something. |
| 19:47.23 | Adrine | So yeah. :) |
| 19:47.25 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: that's old news, he's moving to Germany for several month, for a job there, he was talking about it inhere last week |
| 19:47.27 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: thank you |
| 19:47.38 | Kirkburn | Well, not everyone knew, obviously :P |
| 19:48.19 | Adrine | Ladies and gentlemen |
| 19:48.21 | Kirkburn | I think we cheered up Cairenn :) |
| 19:48.26 | Adrine | This is why we do not encourage the use of Excel. |
| 19:48.27 | Adrine | =IF(C$22-$Q$9<$C$43/$D$43,(C$22-$Q$9)*$D$43,IF($C$43+$F$43*(C$22-$Q$9-$C$43-$C$44)<3*$C$43,$C$43+$F$43*(C$22-$Q$9-$C$43-$C$44),3*$C$43)) |
| 19:48.37 | Adrine | My eyes. Help me find them please. |
| 19:48.47 | Cide | that makes sense! it just needs some color coding! |
| 19:48.47 | Kirkburn | yummy |
| 19:48.57 | Josh_Borke | FAIAPs to the rescue! |
| 19:49.23 | Kirkburn | The new office filetypes are all XML, which is a nice change |
| 19:49.31 | Adrine | Excel would be so much nicer if you could include linebreaks |
| 19:49.39 | Adrine | Because. Well. Ow. |
| 19:49.41 | krka | hmm... someone must have said something that i care about |
| 19:49.59 | krka | oh FAIAP... that explains my spider-sense tingling |
| 19:50.21 | Shouryuu | I like you guys, I feel so no geeky and normal around you |
| 19:50.30 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 19:51.10 | Kirkburn | Who here has played Psychonauts? |
| 19:51.20 | Shouryuu | but that's not the only reason I like you :) |
| 19:51.35 | Maldivia | Cairenn: that finkles site... hope noone uses it... it takes several minutes for it to load a single page... |
| 19:51.37 | Kirkburn | People who have bought Psychonauts get cookies! |
| 19:51.49 | krka | i take pride in being as geeky as possible |
| 19:51.51 | Adrine | Maldivia: I let it load for about 2 minutes and then stopped trying :P |
| 19:51.52 | Kirkburn | (maldivia, still hasn't loaded for me) |
| 19:51.56 | Cairenn | Maldivia: yeah, noticing that myself |
| 19:52.07 | krka | must be immensely populare |
| 19:52.08 | krka | -e |
| 19:52.08 | Adrine | Attn Finkles: |
| 19:52.14 | Cairenn | I have only been able to get to one page so far, that's how i knew CTMod but nothing else |
| 19:52.17 | Adrine | I realize that 6 users overworks your hampster. |
| 19:52.23 | Adrine | Please defibrilate it and put it back on the wheel. |
| 19:52.29 | Industrial | kek |
| 19:52.32 | Kirkburn | There's no way to look at a full list? |
| 19:52.53 | Adrine | try site:finkles-installer.com (modname here) |
| 19:52.53 | Kirkburn | I don't want to look in every section to find if my addon is there :S |
| 19:52.53 | Maldivia | I found ct bossmods 1.01, on the first raid page... |
| 19:52.55 | Adrine | in google |
| 19:53.08 | Kirkburn | Good idea adrine |
| 19:53.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@204.90.50.252) |
| 19:54.25 | Kirkburn | I'm interested to know if any of these 'new' addon sites are run by addon makers? |
| 19:54.36 | Kirkburn | Because so far I really can't believe they are |
| 19:54.50 | Cairenn | one |
| 19:54.52 | Tain | No all the addon authors run gold farming sites. |
| 19:54.58 | Adrine | Addon makers, for the most part, don't have time to run addon sites :P |
| 19:55.23 | krka | exactly |
| 19:55.27 | krka | or the interest |
| 19:55.31 | Maldivia | addon makers hardly have time to do addons... :) |
| 19:55.37 | Cide | I run two sites already, running an addon site would cause my brain to explode probably |
| 19:55.49 | Cide | well, I technically do run an addon site, I guess :) |
| 19:55.56 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 19:55.59 | Cide | but nothing like wowi |
| 19:56.15 | Kalroth | speaking of which, ctprofiles.net is sloooow Cide! |
| 19:56.20 | Kalroth | actually getting timeouts >< |
| 19:56.24 | Kirkburn | In fact, how on earth am I supposed to find anything on finkles site - no search?? |
| 19:56.24 | Cide | hmm? |
| 19:56.32 | Cairenn | http://ui.warcraftwars.com/ |
| 19:56.32 | Cide | it was lightning fast just now |
| 19:56.36 | Cairenn | is run by an author |
| 19:57.04 | krka | i love how other people always provide what i need |
| 19:57.08 | Cide | with author-uploaded mods only, it seems |
| 19:57.16 | Cairenn | Cide: heh, yup |
| 19:57.22 | Cairenn | the only mods on the site are his own |
| 19:57.31 | Cairenn | he and swerve both opened the same day |
| 19:57.35 | Cide | well I meant, he didn't upload others' mods |
| 19:57.40 | krka | wowwiki is awesome, as is nxml-mode for emacs that i just found, and wowi and the blizz ui forums and the api detectives (iriel, legorol, et.c.) |
| 19:57.49 | krka | all this makes me actually able to do stuff |
| 19:58.09 | Cairenn | krka: you know about wdn, right? |
| 19:58.16 | krka | imagine if we all had to start from scratch :/ |
| 19:58.27 | krka | yeah... kinda... that one posts diffs between versions right? |
| 19:58.34 | Cairenn | yup |
| 19:58.35 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 19:58.47 | krka | i still have an ancient version of FrameXML that i use :P |
| 19:58.51 | Kirkburn | I thought 1.10.2 test patches were going up there |
| 19:58.54 | krka | probably 1.7 or something |
| 19:59.01 | Tain | If we all had to start from scratch I guarantee the first question anyone posted would be, "How do I cast multiple spells all in a row?" |
| 19:59.04 | Cairenn | bela has been swamped lately |
| 19:59.08 | Maldivia | I extract a ner version of FRameXML every time I get a patch :) |
| 19:59.09 | Kirkburn | Fair enough |
| 19:59.27 | Maldivia | Beladona said he would upload it the other night, seems he forgot... |
| 19:59.46 | Iriel | That nasty 'work' bug has been going around lately |
| 19:59.53 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 19:59.58 | Kirkburn | I am confused ... is Finkles website really that ugly or is it my computer? |
| 20:00.05 | Cairenn | it's really that ugly |
| 20:00.07 | Cairenn | and slow |
| 20:00.08 | Cide | the former :) |
| 20:00.12 | Maldivia | both... |
| 20:00.15 | Shouryuu | ugly |
| 20:00.22 | Cide | nice color scheme, too |
| 20:00.25 | Tain | And your momma dresses you funny. |
| 20:00.29 | krka | i generally ask around for a FrameXML whenever i need a new one |
| 20:00.43 | Maldivia | krka: just download the addon kit :) |
| 20:00.49 | krka | i am running linux |
| 20:00.58 | Maldivia | then run it through wine |
| 20:01.03 | krka | tried it, didn't work |
| 20:01.08 | Maldivia | or download the zip from wdn |
| 20:01.09 | krka | and i couldn't be bothered to work harder :P |
| 20:01.17 | krka | ooh... didn't know there was one |
| 20:01.18 | Iriel | the wdn zip is pretty much easy-mode there |
| 20:01.42 | krka | hm |
| 20:01.54 | krka | how do i actually find wdn? |
| 20:01.55 | Cairenn | yay for the community :) |
| 20:02.01 | Kirkburn | wdn.wowinterface |
| 20:02.04 | Maldivia | ohh, 0.10.2 is up :) |
| 20:02.11 | krka | googling for it failed miserably |
| 20:02.27 | krka | *bookmark* |
| 20:02.41 | Kirkburn | bela must be watching us ... |
| 20:02.42 | krka | and Iriel, thanks again for the emacs help |
| 20:02.46 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:02.50 | Kirkburn | Yo Boss |
| 20:02.50 | Cairenn | hey ckknight |
| 20:02.54 | krka | this has increased my productivity immensely |
| 20:02.55 | wereHamster | krka, addon kit works fine under wine |
| 20:02.55 | Shouryuu | man if only I knew my history as well as I know my addons... |
| 20:03.16 | krka | wereHamster, well, my wine didn't know about my wow installation, and cedega wouldn't run it |
| 20:03.25 | Kirov | aeiii! I hadn't seen this finkles site before |
| 20:03.36 | Maldivia | probably in the middle of updating then, since there are some errors :) |
| 20:03.36 | Kirov | my eyes hurt |
| 20:03.36 | krka | could probably fix all that, but it was easier to just ask for a zip P |
| 20:04.30 | wereHamster | krka, strange, I deleted ~/.wine a couple of times and the addon kit worked fine, maybe WoW sets up the registry keys if it sees that they are missing.. |
| 20:04.39 | Kirkburn | Hmm, can't view the new patch changes in IE7 ... but it's okay with the previous patch changes |
| 20:04.47 | Kirkburn | It's complaining about XSL again |
| 20:05.05 | krka | well, my .wine isn't connected to my .cedega |
| 20:05.56 | Kirkburn | If Beladona is around, I'm getting this error: "Only one top level element is allowed in an XML document." Think this is the error line: "<b>Warning</b>: zip_open() Cannot open zip archive pages/01025302/lcompare_files/FileComparisonReport1.xml.zip ..." |
| 20:06.04 | wereHamster | regarding wine.. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2006-May/047315.html I hope they'll find a nice solution.. |
| 20:06.13 | Maldivia | arghh... "Blizzard Updater" taskbar bubble... |
| 20:06.37 | Kirkburn | It gave me a BSOD last time I looked at it |
| 20:06.43 | Kirkburn | (the updater) |
| 20:09.34 | Kirkburn | Am I to assume no-one here has played/bought Psychonauts? |
| 20:09.46 | Kirkburn | If so, it makes me very sad |
| 20:09.52 | Kirov | kirk - I bought it, played it. |
| 20:09.54 | Kirov | Great game |
| 20:09.56 | Kirkburn | YAY! |
| 20:10.00 | Kirov | I need to go back and replay it though. |
| 20:10.04 | Kirkburn | Aye, me too |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | I never finished it |
| 20:10.21 | Kirkburn | Same, I was right at the end, then I came to italy :s |
| 20:10.43 | Kirkburn | (too big for my laptop) |
| 20:10.54 | Tain | Yeah welcome to last year! |
| 20:11.16 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 20:11.30 | Kirkburn | It only got a release in europe recently |
| 20:11.48 | Kirkburn | (I ordered it from america though, and got a giant hand-written smiley on my order receipt) |
| 20:11.54 | Kirov | how are self and this handled? |
| 20:11.56 | Kirkburn | (in gold pen) |
| 20:12.05 | Kirov | Are they globals that get set by wow? |
| 20:12.11 | Kirov | or are they part of wow? |
| 20:12.13 | Kirov | er, lua |
| 20:12.14 | Iriel | Kirov: this - yes |
| 20:12.19 | Iriel | Kirov: self - no |
| 20:12.29 | Iriel | Kirov: that is.. this is a global which is set by wow when it dispatches things |
| 20:12.35 | krka | self is kinda part of lua |
| 20:12.43 | krka | and kinda just a normal variabel |
| 20:12.56 | Iriel | Kirov: self is often an implied local variable set by lua, but you can set it yourself too if you wan |
| 20:12.59 | Iriel | +t |
| 20:13.47 | Kirov | so, self is like this, but it's being handled by lua internally instead of appended via the client |
| 20:14.29 | Iriel | self is local, this is global |
| 20:15.27 | Iriel | lua only handles 'self' when you're using the : form of function definitions |
| 20:15.42 | Iriel | function X:Y(a) is the same as function X.Y(self, a) |
| 20:16.00 | Kirov | Yeah, that's what I'm asking for. |
| 20:16.26 | Kirov | is the "self" in that X.Y(self,a) already a local, or is there a way to save it as a local? |
| 20:16.41 | Iriel | all parameters are locals |
| 20:17.01 | Kirov | At the time of X.Y(), not in the Y function itself |
| 20:17.18 | Iriel | Hm, are you talking about when you CALL it? |
| 20:17.21 | Iriel | Or declare it? |
| 20:17.22 | Kirov | yes |
| 20:17.25 | Kirov | call |
| 20:17.48 | Iriel | if you call X.Y(self, a) then it's up to you to make 'self' the right value, it's not special at all there |
| 20:17.50 | Kirov | I just realized I didn't make that distinction, sorry. |
| 20:18.02 | Iriel | when you call X:Y(a) lua implicitly calls X.Y(X,a) |
| 20:18.59 | Kirov | local MyLocalFrame = SomeFrame; |
| 20:18.59 | Kirov | local MyLocalFunc = MyLocalFrame.Func; |
| 20:18.59 | Kirov | MyLocalFunc(MyLocalFrame); |
| 20:19.02 | Kirov | would be valid? |
| 20:19.08 | Iriel | Yes |
| 20:19.35 | Kalroth | so basically x.y is the class call while x:y is the object call or? |
| 20:19.54 | Iriel | lua's object calls are just convention, really |
| 20:20.11 | Iriel | "methods" are functions for which the first parameter is the object |
| 20:20.13 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/692947 if anyone wants to bother... I'm thinking height is being calculated to be too high for some reason, so my logic must fail somewhere |
| 20:21.25 | Iriel | Cide: I dont think you compensate for width/height ratio, do you? |
| 20:21.42 | Cide | well, right now, the angle is too low |
| 20:21.55 | Cide | as in, it's a ~30 deg angle when I input 45 |
| 20:21.59 | Tem | RFC: The new ability to change the cursor has the potential to make people's UI's *really* cool, but at the same time could make them very inconsistent. What do you guys think about a cursor library that manages cursor sets so that an addon says "Give me a busy cursor" instead of "give me cursor.tga" |
| 20:22.15 | Iriel | Cide: what's the width:height ratio on the texture ON SCREEN ? |
| 20:22.23 | Cide | 1:5, or so |
| 20:22.36 | Kirov | I always kinda of saw the "everything must be coded in oo" to be Ace's biggest silliness. While I can see the reason for not wanting to pollute the global space, oo doesn't see any perfomance benefits over non oo. |
| 20:22.50 | Kirov | Since "true" oo in lua doesn't exist |
| 20:22.57 | Kirov | it's all just table calls, regardless |
| 20:22.58 | Cide | ret2:GetHeight()/ret2:GetWidth() returns ~5.7 |
| 20:23.23 | Iriel | Kirov: True, but that's the same in **EVERY** computer I'm aware of |
| 20:23.29 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: performance with oo is usually slower than "flat" coding actually, since it (again) usually involves a lot of stack pushing to get in/out of objects |
| 20:23.31 | Iriel | Kirov: IN the end it's all just bits and operations |
| 20:23.50 | Iriel | Kalroth: I'll challenge that assertion as being extremely implementation dependent |
| 20:23.54 | Kalroth | err, Kirov |
| 20:23.58 | Kirkburn | Thanks for that enlightening point Kalroth :) |
| 20:24.03 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:24.03 | Kalroth | Iriel: hence my usuage of 'usually' :) |
| 20:24.10 | Kalroth | Iriel: I was talking about OO in general |
| 20:24.26 | Kalroth | there are situations where OO is faster, yes |
| 20:24.27 | krka | i only use OO for some of my stuff, i don't really think it applies everywhere |
| 20:24.32 | Iriel | Kalroth : My challenge was about the statement in general 8-) Not just LUA. |
| 20:24.36 | krka | some stuff you really only have _one_ off |
| 20:24.58 | Kalroth | Iriel: I'll stick with the 'usually' then ;P |
| 20:25.03 | Iriel | I tend to use OO for public interfaces no matter what, but use local functions for internal heavy lifting |
| 20:25.06 | Kirov | My biggest issue with oo is I find it exceptionally confusing to read in comparison to straight coding. |
| 20:25.38 | Kalroth | Kirov: Depends a lot on implementation (as Iriel said), good OO is also easy on the eyes |
| 20:25.58 | Kalroth | I've seen some really, really silly OO though, it can easily be overdone |
| 20:26.01 | Shouryuu | oo? |
| 20:26.07 | Kirov | but, that's probably more due to the fact that oo is still a relatively new concept to me, I've only really started to have to deal with it in the last 2 years. |
| 20:26.10 | Kalroth | object oriented [programming] |
| 20:26.12 | Kirov | object oriented |
| 20:26.14 | Iriel | Cide: Give me a moment |
| 20:26.15 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 20:26.25 | Tain | Anything and everything can be overdone. |
| 20:26.30 | Iriel | Cide: I'm going to have to draw this one out again |
| 20:26.31 | Cide | Iriel: will do, I need to grab something to eat :) |
| 20:26.53 | Iriel | Cide: is a1 > a2 ? |
| 20:26.57 | Kalroth | I didn't do much OO when it was on a hobby basis, but after I started programming professionally it's pretty much de facto |
| 20:27.15 | Iriel | Some (many) problems map to OO nicely, some dont |
| 20:27.38 | Kalroth | nothing like trying to debug a 12000 lines of procedural code with zero objects >< |
| 20:27.49 | Tain | Just like everything else, it's using the right tool for the job. |
| 20:27.52 | Kirov | Kalroth - I "script" professionally, I can't say I actually program if I can help it, hence the lack of oo experience. |
| 20:28.20 | Kalroth | Kirov: well like Tain said, the right tool for the job applies :) |
| 20:28.32 | Kalroth | don't waste too much time on implementing OO if it's not needed |
| 20:28.47 | Tain | Of course when you really like using a hammer, everything can be made to look like a nail. :) |
| 20:28.48 | Kalroth | You'll notice it fairly fast if it's needed :) |
| 20:29.15 | Kirov | Tain - lol |
| 20:29.25 | Kirov | I need to head out. later ppl |
| 20:29.30 | Kalroth | cya Kirov |
| 20:29.33 | Cairenn | later Kirov |
| 20:29.34 | Tem | my personal favorite is the OO hammer |
| 20:29.41 | Kalroth | man, damn nickcompleter keeps picking Kirkburn! |
| 20:29.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:29.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:30.05 | Shouryuu | Just call one Kir and the other Kirk |
| 20:30.22 | Kirkburn | In X-chat it won't complete until it's got only one choice |
| 20:30.35 | Kalroth | I'm using xchat :( |
| 20:30.40 | Shouryuu | I know |
| 20:30.43 | krka | same |
| 20:30.45 | Shouryuu | Just don't auto-complete |
| 20:31.03 | krka | how do you get it to do that Kirkburn? |
| 20:31.07 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: and it's completing just fine on 2-3 choices :) |
| 20:31.28 | Cairenn | krka: tab |
| 20:31.44 | Kirkburn | Try typing Ki then [tab] |
| 20:31.45 | krka | tab cycles nicks for me |
| 20:31.50 | krka | err |
| 20:31.51 | Tem | ug this laptop is driving my nuts |
| 20:31.51 | krka | no wait |
| 20:31.53 | krka | it doesn't |
| 20:31.56 | krka | what am i smoking |
| 20:32.17 | Kalroth | if you do k<tab> then it shows a list, but if you do ka<tab> then it cycles |
| 20:32.26 | Kalroth | I think the limit is 5 nicks or something |
| 20:32.39 | krka | ah |
| 20:32.43 | krka | i want it to never cycle |
| 20:32.49 | krka | and never show suggestions |
| 20:33.02 | Kalroth | write a plugin! it'll accept almost any language :) |
| 20:33.17 | Kalroth | I wrote an /expr function in delphi for it a while back! |
| 20:34.00 | krka | too much work :P |
| 20:34.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@204.90.50.252) |
| 20:34.41 | Cairenn | Tem: just a heads up: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=370933&p=1&tmp=1#post370933 |
| 20:35.06 | Cairenn | and possibly: http://www.finkles-installer.com/ |
| 20:35.10 | Cide | Iriel: sorry. yes, a1 > a2 |
| 20:35.30 | Tem | Cairenn: I know my addons have been at finkles |
| 20:35.35 | Tem | but this one is new |
| 20:35.36 | Cide | and during my tests always 90 > a1 > a2 > 0 |
| 20:35.36 | Cairenn | Tem: okay |
| 20:35.46 | Shouryuu | behoove, what a cool word lol |
| 20:36.28 | Josh_Borke | woohoo! my addon was stolen onto another site! |
| 20:36.32 | Maldivia | clad: hehe, agree :) |
| 20:37.10 | Iriel | Cide: http://wow.pastebin.com/692992 |
| 20:37.16 | Shouryuu | ermmmmm tradeskill UI shouldn't be in your interface folder right? |
| 20:37.27 | Shouryuu | Macro UI neither right? |
| 20:38.48 | Maldivia | they are addons |
| 20:39.11 | Tem | Cairenn: wtf lol.. they didn't even bother to get an up-to-date version of Catalyst |
| 20:39.33 | Shouryuu | Maldivia k thanks |
| 20:40.14 | Cairenn | Tem: yeah, I figured you'd be thrilled |
| 20:40.31 | Maldivia | and they are faking download, it seems... already 12500 downloads of CT_RA :) |
| 20:41.22 | Maldivia | Tem: http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/INTELLECTUALPROPERTY/contract/cease.htm |
| 20:41.23 | Cairenn | naw, their site is that popular |
| 20:41.50 | Tem | Thanks Maldivia |
| 20:41.53 | Maldivia | hmm, ok - just seems an awful lot of download, for a file they added today... |
| 20:42.13 | Cairenn | I was being facetious |
| 20:42.44 | Cairenn | I've no idea how popular they are or aren't, they've never dealt with UIs before, so I've never even heard of them before |
| 20:43.32 | Cairenn | I admit to my knowledge of non-UI sites being extremely narrow |
| 20:43.52 | Maldivia | well, 12200 downloads, within the last 22 hours, that's 1 download every 6 second... |
| 20:44.05 | Cairenn | as I said, I was being facetious |
| 20:44.16 | Kalroth | Odd, I've been running a cron job that downloads the file every 5 seconds! |
| 20:44.24 | Kalroth | .. :) |
| 20:44.26 | Maldivia | and I had to look up facetious on dictionary.com :) |
| 20:44.40 | Cairenn | Kalroth: we ban those just as fast as we find them, on our sites |
| 20:44.51 | Kalroth | not me, Maldivia, I just pretend to know what it means :) |
| 20:44.54 | Cairenn | Kalroth: we don't fudge our numbers and we don't let others fudge them either |
| 20:44.55 | Tem | Cairenn: you can bitch at them for downloading from WoWI |
| 20:44.56 | Kalroth | Cairenn: I know, I was just kidding |
| 20:45.03 | Tem | that's the only place I've uploaded Catalyst |
| 20:45.17 | Kalroth | Cairenn: it's an assholeish thing to do, fake numbers and excessive bw usage |
| 20:45.32 | Cairenn | Tem: I know, from the whole mess at Curse |
| 20:45.40 | Maldivia | hmm, it's probably about time I upload my mods to wowi... although I have a nagging feeling, I'll forget I did :| |
| 20:46.08 | Cairenn | Tem: I'll get others involved if they don't pull the ones they've already gotten from us, and if they continue to pull from us |
| 20:46.22 | Kalroth | Tem: in all fairness any user could download from wowi and upload to them, not saying that's what happened, but still |
| 20:46.24 | Cairenn | Tem: I'm giving them a chance to do the right thing, before I get the lawyers involved |
| 20:46.35 | Gryphen | heh |
| 20:46.36 | Tem | I'm sending them a CnD in a few minutes |
| 20:46.50 | Cairenn | just like I asked CG to stop pulling from our DB |
| 20:47.12 | Tem | Kalroth: that is a possibility |
| 20:48.11 | Cairenn | Kalroth: it is a possibility, except for two things ... a) if someone other than themselves uploaded, it'd be creditted to whomever uploaded it, and b) "While our team is adding mods as quick as we can find them" |
| 20:48.38 | Cairenn | their own words, not mine |
| 20:49.02 | Kalroth | oh, you're right .. catalyst was uploaded by themself (talking filenut herE) |
| 20:49.13 | Kalroth | considering there's no author on it |
| 20:49.26 | Shouryuu | and Tem said he'd only uploaded it at WoWI :P |
| 20:49.37 | Gryphen | agggg |
| 20:49.42 | Kalroth | yeah, but if a random user uploaded it, then he'd be creditted |
| 20:49.47 | Gryphen | who cares? |
| 20:49.51 | Cairenn | the random user, that is |
| 20:50.04 | Kalroth | *nod* |
| 20:50.11 | Cairenn | Gryphen: the authors, or at least they should |
| 20:50.14 | Gryphen | i know |
| 20:50.22 | Gryphen | but why all the discussion on how it got there |
| 20:50.38 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:50.51 | Cairenn | that, "hypothetical" discussion, iirc |
| 20:51.01 | Gryphen | happens every time one of these sites opens |
| 20:51.05 | Gryphen | over and over |
| 20:51.06 | Gryphen | lol |
| 20:51.14 | Cairenn | boredom? |
| 20:51.16 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:52.53 | Shouryuu | arghhh |
| 20:52.57 | Shouryuu | tomorow I go back to school |
| 20:53.01 | Shouryuu | after three weeks |
| 20:53.32 | Cide | Iriel: it was that simple it seems. many thanks :) |
| 20:55.00 | wereHamster | how am I supposed to find out if finkles site hosts one of my addons? |
| 20:55.09 | Maldivia | hmm, where would be a good place to request specifying the "reagents" line on enchant-tooltips to wrap ? |
| 20:55.28 | Cairenn | wereHamster: go through the pages |
| 20:56.07 | Cairenn | go to "browse" then try (hahaha) to get the different pages to load |
| 20:56.23 | wereHamster | Cairenn, the site is sooo slow.. and the installer crashes under wine.. maybe I should make a bug-report ;) |
| 20:56.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:57.02 | Cairenn | actually, krka (I think it was) suggested that you do a google search on the site name/mod |
| 20:57.23 | Tem | ugh |
| 20:57.42 | wereHamster | oh.. works under cedega |
| 20:57.48 | Tem | I'm gonna have to send like 4 CnDs to Finkles |
| 20:57.58 | krka | that's a good idea i guess |
| 20:58.18 | krka | not that i have any public addon that's big enough to get noticed, so it's probably not an issue for me |
| 20:58.31 | Tem | Finkles has my little addons |
| 20:58.38 | Tem | the ones I thought no one knew existed |
| 20:58.41 | wereHamster | ohoh.. the installer has a 'You need cheap gold? clock here' button.. |
| 20:59.00 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hmm, what do you mean by "generic name" under zip file, when uploading addons ? |
| 20:59.17 | Cairenn | it applied much more back in EQ than it does here |
| 20:59.33 | Cairenn | but, if your mod is a hotbar, don't just call it "hotbar" |
| 20:59.48 | Cairenn | because everyone and their dog has a mod that is a "hotbar" |
| 20:59.57 | Josh_Borke | not me! :-) |
| 21:00.05 | Cairenn | you know what I mean guys :p |
| 21:00.06 | Adrine | Calientebar! |
| 21:00.14 | Adrine | Lukewarmbar? |
| 21:00.20 | wereHamster | the idea with google and site: was good.. found my mods there.. |
| 21:00.24 | Cairenn | now, see, those aren't "generic" names |
| 21:00.33 | Cairenn | so those would be good names |
| 21:00.37 | Adrine | I like Lukewarmbar. |
| 21:00.50 | Adrine | I could test it on a character named "Force" |
| 21:01.01 | Adrine | And have humorous screenshots including the phrase "Use the Lukewarmbar, Force." |
| 21:01.03 | Cairenn | because the chances are *less* (not zero, but at least "less") that there won't be 5 other addons with the same name |
| 21:02.19 | Maldivia | hmm... no png files ? :) |
| 21:02.44 | Kirkburn | 5 minutes, and the CT mods haven't got a download from filenuts ... |
| 21:02.58 | Beladona | HAVE FUN ALL |
| 21:03.01 | Beladona | oops caps |
| 21:03.02 | Kirkburn | OKAY |
| 21:03.13 | krka | i have started to move away from generic names, yay me |
| 21:03.14 | Cairenn | later Beladona |
| 21:03.33 | krka | though i think we tend to do things a bit GNU:ish when it comes to names |
| 21:03.33 | Maldivia | krka:I'm just so bad at comming up with names... |
| 21:03.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge duke|ib (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:03.42 | krka | a bit _too_ GNU:ish i mean |
| 21:03.45 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 21:03.47 | Maldivia | krka: my raid mod ended up being called RaidGroup :) |
| 21:04.02 | Tem | ug, this is miserable |
| 21:04.12 | Tem | Finkles site is so damned slow I can't find stuff |
| 21:04.13 | duke|ib | :| |
| 21:04.16 | krka | my addon that switched actionpages if you were in range or melee was called... RangeMlee |
| 21:04.20 | krka | *RangeMelee |
| 21:04.25 | krka | yes, it was that bad :( |
| 21:04.27 | Kalroth | lol |
| 21:04.29 | Kirkburn | Google search. It doesn't get everything though :( |
| 21:04.34 | krka | AutoTravel and MapLibrary isn't that much better |
| 21:04.40 | Shouryuu | Man we need PMs on the wow forums... |
| 21:04.41 | Kirkburn | (previous comment @ tem) |
| 21:04.51 | krka | GRAB and FAIAP works well enough though |
| 21:05.15 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, we can but hope |
| 21:05.22 | Shouryuu | yeah lol |
| 21:05.27 | Kirkburn | Maybe we'll get them as an E3 surprise |
| 21:05.40 | Kalroth | krka: you should have named it RMA, Range/Melee Addon |
| 21:05.45 | Adrine | I'd be content with a working search feature. |
| 21:05.48 | Shouryuu | forum servers will crash 30 mins after implementation with the swarm of "you're a NOOB" pms :P |
| 21:05.55 | Kalroth | then you'd get a lot of google hits |
| 21:06.14 | krka | it was a crappy addon anyway |
| 21:06.28 | krka | took me a few hours to write, without any prior knowledge of wow lua coding |
| 21:06.34 | krka | at most 300 lines, i think |
| 21:06.47 | Shouryuu | which one? |
| 21:07.25 | Tain | FAIAP really whips the llama's ass. |
| 21:07.36 | Shouryuu | so much geek talk! |
| 21:07.41 | Shouryuu | what's FAIAP? |
| 21:07.47 | Josh_Borke | bye all, hgave a good day :-) |
| 21:07.55 | Josh_Borke | for all indents and purposes :-) |
| 21:07.56 | Cairenn | later Josh |
| 21:07.57 | Kirkburn | byee |
| 21:08.00 | Shouryuu | see ya |
| 21:08.07 | Josh_Borke | syntax highlighting+indenting in tinypad/lua slinger :D |
| 21:08.10 | Josh_Borke | bye :-) |
| 21:08.10 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Josh_Borke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 21:08.12 | krka | Shouryuu, RangeMele |
| 21:08.17 | krka | damn it, cant' even spell it myself |
| 21:08.23 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hmm, is there a problem with the "manage images" page, when using firefox? |
| 21:08.33 | Cairenn | Maldivia: nope, shouldn't be |
| 21:08.37 | Cairenn | no problem for me |
| 21:08.48 | Maldivia | hmm, weird... I'm just getting a background image, nothing else |
| 21:08.49 | Cairenn | and FF is what Dolby codes the pages in, so ... |
| 21:08.51 | Iriel | No problem for me (full mozilla, not ff) either, that i've noticed |
| 21:09.38 | Cairenn | teh intraweb just hates you is all |
| 21:09.47 | Shouryuu | Someone needs to make a HOW_TO install a mod video and upload it on youtube |
| 21:10.11 | Maldivia | hmm, I'm getting the source and all |
| 21:10.16 | Tain | That's a good idea Shouryuu, get the camera! |
| 21:10.24 | Kirkburn | Live action! |
| 21:10.25 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:10.37 | Shouryuu | But I don't have WoW so I can't =( |
| 21:10.53 | Kirkburn | Hello I am The Interface folder. I am larger than the addons folder, but smaller than the World of Warcraft folder |
| 21:11.05 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:11.11 | Maldivia | Cairenn: can I get you to test quickly, trying to create a new addon under tradeskill mods... |
| 21:11.33 | Cairenn | Maldivia: sure |
| 21:12.32 | Cairenn | I go to "Upload Interface", get to the page to input the information and upload the file and images, click on "manage images" and get the popup to browse to my image to upload |
| 21:12.55 | Kirkburn | FF 1.5.02 Maldivia ? |
| 21:13.08 | Maldivia | yes |
| 21:13.23 | Shouryuu | I am so depressed atm |
| 21:13.28 | Shouryuu | don't want to go to school |
| 21:13.30 | Maldivia | Cairenn: I get the pop up window aswell, but all I see is the background image... |
| 21:13.35 | Kalroth | driver update *crosses fingers* |
| 21:13.49 | Shouryuu | awww |
| 21:13.52 | Shouryuu | but still |
| 21:13.57 | Kirkburn | Why no WoW? |
| 21:14.13 | Shouryuu | yup no WoW in france neither |
| 21:14.15 | Tain | WoW left him for another man. |
| 21:14.27 | Shouryuu | you *had* to say it didn't you... |
| 21:15.10 | Cairenn | Maldivia: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/ssupload.gif |
| 21:15.13 | Shouryuu | and I burned my hand so bad with a cigaret last week |
| 21:15.19 | Cairenn | that's mine, I'm using FF 1.5.02 |
| 21:15.30 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, you shouldn't smoke :) |
| 21:15.36 | Shouryuu | and all my lights are broken, I only have a desk lamp for all my room |
| 21:15.40 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn I don't! |
| 21:15.43 | Iriel | Shouryuu : I have a better suggestion... someone needs to write a how-to-install-interfaces SONG |
| 21:15.45 | Kirkburn | (or that dominatrix you visited shouldn't) |
| 21:15.56 | duke|ib | dammit, why can't a man just use #if not defined |
| 21:16.00 | Cairenn | Maldivia: so I've no idea why you are having a problem =/ |
| 21:16.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge NeT- (n=net@dslb-088-064-177-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:16.12 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, how'd you burn yourself then?? |
| 21:16.18 | Shouryuu | Iriel Will try that lol |
| 21:16.26 | Tain | Ooh no no! Even better, someone needs to do a How To Install Interfaces song and video ala School House Rocks. |
| 21:16.27 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn to tell the truth I don't know |
| 21:16.34 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 21:16.35 | Shouryuu | Tain Lol |
| 21:16.38 | Maldivia | Cairenn: neither do I... guess I'll have to start IE... eek... |
| 21:16.41 | Kirkburn | So it was a dominatrix? |
| 21:16.55 | Shouryuu | more like a alcholomix |
| 21:16.59 | Cairenn | Maldivia: try closing the site and reopening? force a cache reload? |
| 21:17.05 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:17.12 | Kirkburn | (Ctrl+F5 iirc) |
| 21:17.25 | Tain | "Between the crack, crystal meth, and heroin, I'm really not sure how I got burned..." |
| 21:17.31 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:17.40 | Shouryuu | I am so going to make that song and video |
| 21:17.51 | Shouryuu | with the crappy catchy music like they have on key generators |
| 21:18.05 | Shouryuu | 60's techno FTW! |
| 21:18.16 | Kirkburn | Time for episode four of Green Wing :) |
| 21:18.30 | Maldivia | Cairenn: I have no idea what's causing it... just purged cache and cookies... |
| 21:18.40 | Cairenn | and did it fix it? |
| 21:18.49 | Maldivia | no, but I found out the problem... |
| 21:18.57 | Cairenn | okay ... |
| 21:18.59 | Cairenn | and? |
| 21:19.02 | Kirkburn | harvest Mice did it? |
| 21:19.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:19.34 | Maldivia | the greasemonkey script, for hiding the top bar on WoWI :) |
| 21:19.47 | Cairenn | ahhhhh ... that ... Tem has an updated one somewhere |
| 21:19.49 | Kirkburn | Not even wizards disguised as harvest mice? |
| 21:19.56 | Shouryuu | and Time Bandits was a good movie, whoever suggested it |
| 21:19.58 | Cairenn | I forgot all about that ... known problem |
| 21:20.00 | Cairenn | Tem? |
| 21:20.08 | Tem | Maldivia: yeah, I fixed that a *long* time ago |
| 21:20.15 | Maldivia | hehe :) |
| 21:20.24 | Tem | I don't remember where it is... |
| 21:20.33 | Kirkburn | Well that's not much use ... |
| 21:21.19 | Maldivia | is this up-to-date: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2096 ? |
| 21:21.23 | wereHamster | google SoC went live |
| 21:21.26 | Cairenn | I always forget about that, it's so long ago |
| 21:21.31 | Shouryuu | google SoC? |
| 21:21.33 | Tem | http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/2096.user.js |
| 21:21.33 | Kirkburn | Google Sock? |
| 21:21.36 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:21.44 | Tem | Maldivia: yeah |
| 21:22.20 | Tem | Maldivia: try that, you may need to tweak it to make the background align properly |
| 21:22.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kalroth (n=kalroth@port114.ds1-hj.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 21:22.33 | Maldivia | seems to work, thanks :) |
| 21:22.53 | Gryphen | soc summer of code |
| 21:23.04 | Shouryuu | what's that? |
| 21:23.22 | Gryphen | http://code.google.com/soc |
| 21:23.23 | Shouryuu | I have a question regarding Google |
| 21:23.44 | Shouryuu | how can it be in the stock market, worth billions, and not make a penny? |
| 21:24.06 | Shouryuu | I mean, no adds no nothing |
| 21:24.22 | Gryphen | it makes money on searches |
| 21:24.28 | Shouryuu | how? |
| 21:24.38 | Gryphen | $0.12 a search i heard |
| 21:24.38 | Shouryuu | who pays them? |
| 21:24.58 | Gryphen | not sure, ads in the results |
| 21:25.01 | Shouryuu | who pays google 12 cents a search to not see their name? |
| 21:25.10 | Shouryuu | but there aren't any ads =( |
| 21:25.17 | Gryphen | ya there are |
| 21:25.18 | Kirkburn | They get about half their revenue from targetted ads |
| 21:25.27 | Kirkburn | On Google and people's sites |
| 21:25.38 | Kirkburn | It's a very complicated ad service |
| 21:25.49 | Gryphen | http://www.google.com/search?q=computer |
| 21:25.53 | Kirkburn | The advertisers pay for clicks |
| 21:25.53 | Gryphen | i see a ton of ads |
| 21:26.11 | Shouryuu | ahh indeed |
| 21:26.18 | Kirkburn | And the advertisees can make money from it |
| 21:26.48 | Kirkburn | Not sure what the rest of the revenue is |
| 21:26.56 | Kirkburn | But they're attempting to diversify |
| 21:27.42 | Shouryuu | The stock market is such a weird device |
| 21:27.43 | Kirkburn | For instance, their recent aquisition of the company that makes Sketch Up! (which I've seen in action and is pretty cool). Oh, and Google Earth subscriptions of course |
| 21:27.49 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 21:28.07 | Shouryuu | Google earth is free? |
| 21:28.14 | Maldivia | yes |
| 21:28.14 | Kirkburn | One version is, yeah |
| 21:28.31 | Kirkburn | But there are bought versions too for companies to use |
| 21:28.32 | Shouryuu | ah yeah true |
| 21:29.18 | Shouryuu | but even, the price tag on google seems so big |
| 21:30.43 | Kirkburn | A lot of it is based upon the 'potential' of the company |
| 21:30.43 | Shouryuu | Speculation ftl |
| 21:30.43 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:31.13 | Shouryuu | google is going to blow up in the faces of so many people |
| 21:32.04 | Cairenn | not unless they do something *incredibly* stupid |
| 21:32.12 | Kirkburn | They do make a profit |
| 21:32.12 | Cairenn | they are too much of a household name at this point |
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| 21:33.26 | Cairenn | Maldivia: approved |
| 21:33.29 | Shouryuu | yeah but the profit they make doesn't really have any "worth" |
| 21:33.46 | Shouryuu | I mean it's created by speculation, and leads to speculation |
| 21:34.09 | Maldivia | Cairenn: I'm starting off slow :) |
| 21:35.35 | Cairenn | usually the best way |
| 21:35.38 | Tem | Shouryuu: it's not their profit that people are buying into |
| 21:35.47 | Tem | Shouryuu: it's their innovation |
| 21:35.52 | Shouryuu | it just seems weird to have something that doesn't produce anything make so much money |
| 21:35.56 | Tem | have you seen google calendar? |
| 21:36.11 | Tem | it is, like everything else "google", is freakin awesome |
| 21:36.20 | Shouryuu | no not really |
| 21:36.34 | Shouryuu | well I haven't seen the callender |
| 21:36.43 | Shouryuu | *calendar |
| 21:36.46 | Maldivia | Cairenn: well, meaning starting off with my smal utility mods :) |
| 21:37.18 | Cairenn | Maldivia: the other piece of advice I give every addon author (that asks) ... code *for yourself*. If you code for others, you'll burn out |
| 21:37.31 | Shouryuu | but still why are people investing in it if it's free? |
| 21:37.41 | Maldivia | Cairenn: I know - been coding since patch 1.3 :) |
| 21:37.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:37.58 | Cairenn | I know you have been, just reminding |
| 21:38.14 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, there is quite a large business behind Google, it isn't just the search engine |
| 21:38.25 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hmm, what about non-visual addons ? |
| 21:38.34 | Cairenn | Maldivia: just use a filler image |
| 21:38.40 | Maldivia | Ok |
| 21:38.46 | Cairenn | I know, I know, it's annoying, don't bug me :p |
| 21:38.52 | Maldivia | And yes, I've mostly been coding addons for myself... and my guild |
| 21:39.28 | Shouryuu | but the business they got from the money they got from entering the stock exchange, and the money the got from entering the stock exchanges they got... because they have a large business behind them? |
| 21:39.40 | Cairenn | see, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't, when it comes to screenshots ... users want to see what something looks like before they download, authors hate it when it's something like a library, which has no visual component |
| 21:39.51 | Cairenn | so what do we do? |
| 21:40.01 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, business is fun :D |
| 21:40.05 | Adrine | Make screens optional? |
| 21:40.11 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, fake screenshots? |
| 21:40.18 | Cairenn | then *most* authors won't bother to upload for *any* addon |
| 21:40.46 | Cairenn | so, instead we tell you guys to just use a filler if there isn't a visual component |
| 21:40.57 | Adrine | Cairenn: Perhaps have a "This is a non-visual addon and therefore can't have any screenshots" checkbox, force them to upload shots unless they check that box? |
| 21:41.16 | Adrine | So at least people understand that the only reason to not have shots is if it's non-visual |
| 21:41.19 | Shouryuu | yeah but lazy authors who should put one won't |
| 21:41.27 | Industrial | Adrine: no i think it needs to undergo supervision, else everone just clicks the box |
| 21:41.37 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 21:41.39 | Industrial | like me |
| 21:41.40 | Industrial | :D |
| 21:41.43 | Adrine | I'd say it's the author's loss then, really. |
| 21:41.43 | Industrial | *hide* |
| 21:42.03 | Industrial | yea i keep asking for it at the wowace forums too |
| 21:42.10 | Shouryuu | yeah I guess, but the user loses as well I guess... |
| 21:42.17 | Industrial | make a wiki page! add a screenshot! |
| 21:43.36 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:43.48 | Industrial | likeh |
| 21:44.01 | Kirkburn | Make a screenshot of the tickbox to say you don't need screenshots? |
| 21:44.04 | Industrial | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/IdChat |
| 21:44.06 | Industrial | or um |
| 21:44.09 | Industrial | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/IdMinimap |
| 21:44.11 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 21:44.38 | Industrial | rats.. http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/IdMinimap_Addon |
| 21:46.16 | Iriel | You're all welcome to my 'This is not an image' image |
| 21:46.27 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:46.37 | Shouryuu | Magrits! FTW! |
| 21:46.40 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:47.00 | Shouryuu | Ceci n'est pas une pipe |
| 21:47.43 | Industrial | .. |
| 21:48.21 | Industrial | you weird canadians |
| 21:48.25 | Industrial | *duck* |
| 21:48.26 | Shouryuu | FRENCH! |
| 21:48.30 | Industrial | i know just kidding |
| 21:48.31 | Industrial | :D |
| 21:48.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:48.54 | Industrial | Cairenn: ke ke ke xD |
| 21:49.03 | Shouryuu | ~lart Industrial |
| 21:49.20 | Shouryuu | lol did you see that GM video |
| 21:49.27 | Industrial | maarje nederlands klinkt toch ook voor iedereen als een holbewoners taaltje, ofnie dan? |
| 21:49.28 | Industrial | :D |
| 21:49.39 | Industrial | eh, eh? |
| 21:49.40 | Industrial | :D |
| 21:49.45 | Shouryuu | =( |
| 21:50.07 | Industrial | (But yeah, dutch sounds like a cavement language anyway, right?) |
| 21:50.15 | Industrial | cavemen* |
| 21:50.24 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:50.56 | Shouryuu | well night folks |
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| 21:52.57 | Maldivia | Cairenn: when aproving addons, do you read the description of them ? |
| 21:53.11 | Cairenn | Maldivia: I usually skim them at the very least, why? |
| 21:53.33 | Cairenn | did I miss something? |
| 21:53.35 | Maldivia | Cairenn: just curious if you sometimes get a "wow, I got to have that addon" experience :) |
| 21:53.44 | Industrial | dun dun DUN! |
| 21:53.45 | Cairenn | yup, I have |
| 21:53.59 | Industrial | that remindes me.. order of the stick time |
| 21:54.12 | Cairenn | I also have gone "not on my site you don't!!!" *DENY* |
| 21:54.13 | Industrial | not reading comics and then catching up is fun |
| 21:55.06 | Cairenn | (part of the reason why we don't have automated approval) |
| 21:55.13 | Cairenn | automated can't check descriptions |
| 21:55.43 | Kalroth | aww, there goes my plan of using wowi as secondary storage for all my warez! |
| 21:56.08 | Industrial | hehe |
| 21:56.39 | Industrial | Cairenn: you could check for 'poo on wowi' and 'cairenn sucks' but i doubt that would be effective >:P |
| 21:56.49 | Industrial | (this is fictional, dont hit me) |
| 21:57.00 | Cairenn | but yes, I've read the descriptions on some and it's been loaded on my machine before I've hit the approve button ;) |
| 21:57.44 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 21:58.01 | Kirkburn | Okay, what would your stance be on the 'nude' mod? |
| 21:58.13 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:58.20 | Cairenn | oh, you mean the one that we've already refused? |
| 21:58.25 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:58.46 | Kirkburn | it's very odd reading the comments on places where it exists |
| 21:58.53 | Industrial | http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=310 |
| 21:58.56 | Industrial | sigh... |
| 22:00.24 | Industrial | http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=311 |
| 22:00.27 | Industrial | awwwww |
| 22:00.34 | Maldivia | Industrial: what, you don't like DnD ? |
| 22:00.41 | Cairenn | Maldivia: after you are done uploading them, I'd suggest that you make feedback threads for them ... even if you enable your portal. Portals only allow bug reports and feature requests from your users. A thread allows more generalized feedback. |
| 22:01.06 | Maldivia | Ok... I still have to figure out what I can actually do :) |
| 22:01.19 | Cairenn | ckknight: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4704 |
| 22:01.52 | Industrial | Maldivia: no the sad DnD humour... that is so funny... |
| 22:08.18 | Cairenn | Maldivia: *personally* I would turn OFF the ability to add comments on the download page itself ... that makes me crazy. I prefer comments to either be in the portal or on a thread. But, that's my own personal reference. Some folks like seeing comments on the download page itself. |
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| 22:27.56 | Iriel | Maybe the download page could be coupled to a forum thread |
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| 22:28.24 | Iriel | So that it's really the thread, but it appears on the download page for those who dont trawl the forum |
| 22:28.58 | Cairenn | Most users that are used to our site cross reference their thread in the file description and the download link in the thread |
| 22:29.17 | Cairenn | s/users/authors/ |
| 22:29.23 | Maldivia | I'll have to get used to it... :) |
| 22:29.52 | Cairenn | and if they have their portal enabled, they will frequently post it in both the file description and the thread, as well |
| 22:30.50 | Maldivia | So create a thread in the "Released Interfaces/Scripts" forum, and link it from the download page? |
| 22:31.02 | Adrine | Writing a class guide is exhausting. |
| 22:31.02 | Cairenn | yup |
| 22:31.05 | Cairenn | and vice versa |
| 22:31.11 | Cairenn | put a link to the download in the thread |
| 22:31.16 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 22:31.25 | Cairenn | [url=Thread addy] Link [/url] |
| 22:33.41 | Maldivia | how do I disable people from posting on the download page? |
| 22:34.52 | Cairenn | hrm, I thought we had it so that you could check to disable comments |
| 22:35.04 | Cairenn | I'll bug Dolby about it |
| 22:35.12 | Maldivia | it might just be me that can't find it? |
| 22:35.24 | Cairenn | just post that you don't want comments there, to post on the thread or in your portal (hence the links) |
| 22:35.58 | Cairenn | I'm not seeing it either, I think that's on Dolby's "to do" list still |
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| 23:17.00 | Tem | Iriel: are you pale blue now? |
| 23:17.17 | Tem | oh naturally he's not around |
| 23:17.54 | Tem | Kemayo: does your QuestFu update use the new TabletLib wrapping feature? |
| 23:21.53 | Kirkburn | Of course Iriel isn't around when slouken makes a thread in his name |
| 23:22.08 | Kirkburn | I think Mr. Sod has just passed a law |
| 23:22.53 | Tem | I heard sometime last week that the MVPs got a slightly animated avatar |
| 23:23.05 | Tem | so I've been anxiously waiting for Iriel's color to change |
| 23:23.44 | Tem | I'm *not* wading through the cesspoll that is the general forums to find an MVP post to see the new avatars |
| 23:23.51 | Kirkburn | Yeah, they got a Dino avatar |
| 23:23.58 | Tem | so I'll just have to wait until Iriel gets his |
| 23:24.25 | Iriel | Tem: Not that i'm presently aware from |
| 23:24.40 | Tem | oh, you're at the top of the channel |
| 23:24.44 | Tem | I'm not used to that yet... |
| 23:24.54 | Tem | Iriel: slouken made a post |
| 23:24.57 | Tem | so... I think you have |
| 23:25.59 | Iriel | I think so too, I got an email from Tyren! |
| 23:26.02 | Kirkburn | 1.10.2 tomorrow |
| 23:26.18 | Tem | hasn't 1.10.2 been out for a while? |
| 23:26.20 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=371186 |
| 23:26.22 | Iriel | Posted |
| 23:26.33 | Kirkburn | Yay! |
| 23:26.40 | Tem | congrats man |
| 23:26.42 | Adrine | Congrats! |
| 23:26.45 | Tem | woah |
| 23:26.48 | Tem | That Sinzar guy |
| 23:26.54 | Tem | I he's from my server... |
| 23:26.56 | Adrine | (I practically think of you as an unofficial part of the Blizzard staff anyway. :P) |
| 23:27.33 | KarlKFI | oo dino |
| 23:27.34 | Elviso | wow, Iriel has the best avatar I've seen yet |
| 23:28.05 | Iriel | I'm just worried someone will try and skin me |
| 23:28.15 | Elviso | My druid would love to :) |
| 23:28.43 | Tem | I enjoy killing you everytime I go to Ungoro |
| 23:28.51 | Tem | it's my favorite thing to do |
| 23:29.01 | Tem | Devilsaurs and the Stone Guardians |
| 23:29.07 | Tem | *so* much fun to solo |
| 23:29.34 | Tem | I *really* like it when a hordeling is following me to skin my kills |
| 23:29.47 | Tem | I leave 1 item on the devilsaurs for that very reaso |
| 23:29.48 | Tem | n |
| 23:30.40 | Iriel | Tem the passive aggressive looter |
| 23:30.52 | Adrine | I do that when I'm feeling mean. |
| 23:30.56 | Tem | I'm on a pve server so I can't kill them... |
| 23:30.58 | Adrine | Go to Un'goro, burn down devilsaurs |
| 23:31.02 | Adrine | And then don't loot them >_> |
| 23:31.06 | Tem | yep |
| 23:31.14 | Adrine | Just because I can see someone wandering by them and WOO CHRISTMAS |
| 23:31.19 | Adrine | "Noo! Skin! Skin, damn you!" |
| 23:31.26 | Tem | oh good shift over |
| 23:31.29 | Tem | later guys |
| 23:31.38 | Elviso | I just wish the stupid Ravasaur trainer was interactable :\ |
| 23:31.39 | Adrine | Later Tem |
| 23:31.58 | Elviso | I mean, not like the Nightsaver trainer hasn't been interactable for.....a year now? |
| 23:32.46 | Elviso | *nightsaber |
| 23:35.04 | Iriel | So editing an existing post doesn't make it blue or change the avatar |
| 23:35.21 | Adrine | Probably some flag set on insert, if I had to guess. |
| 23:35.41 | Adrine | Though really, it should be a flag on the account. ;) |
| 23:36.03 | Kirkburn | Elviso, were you saying you can't interact with the nightsaber trainer either? Cos you can ... |
| 23:36.19 | Elviso | just the opposite |
| 23:36.37 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it seems a bit odd |
| 23:36.54 | Elviso | I was complaining that the Ravasaur trainer - the Horde version of the nightsaber trainer - won't respond to you |
| 23:37.07 | Elviso | seems crappy to allow one faction to get a bonus mount and not the other |
| 23:38.18 | Iriel | Well, alliance is CLEARLY more deserving 8-) |
| 23:38.26 | Elviso | :b |
| 23:44.44 | ckknight | is there any way to simulate a mouse down on a button? |
| 23:45.15 | Adrine | Call the click method? |
| 23:45.21 | Adrine | The click handler rather |
| 23:45.48 | Adrine | Simulating a hardware click though, highly suspect not |
| 23:45.53 | Adrine | Botting prevention and all that |
| 23:46.19 | Kirkburn | It's only what they've been coding against for the last few patches |
| 23:46.35 | ckknight | not click, MouseDown |
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| 23:47.28 | ckknight | basically, I have a button, that I click, but it gets hidden, then reshown |
| 23:47.33 | ckknight | which causes OnMouseUp not to work |
| 23:47.38 | Cairenn | booo, I was out |
| 23:47.56 | ckknight | alternatively, how could I get OnMouseUp to work after the button being hidden/shown? |
| 23:48.03 | ckknight | boo. |
| 23:49.24 | Kirkburn | Boo! |
| 23:49.28 | Cairenn | I didn't get to be the one to congo rats Iriel on light blue! |
| 23:50.19 | Kirkburn | Er, you still can? :) |
| 23:50.46 | Cairenn | I know, but I wanted to be first |
| 23:50.57 | Cairenn | been hard sitting here on the knowledge and not saying anything :p |
| 23:51.15 | Kirkburn | aww |
| 23:51.17 | ckknight | got it |
| 23:51.21 | clad|sleep | =) |
| 23:52.03 | Kirkburn | Cairenn's like a mole in Blizzard |
| 23:52.09 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:53.04 | Cairenn | naw, Cair's just got the connections is all |
| 23:53.39 | Kirkburn | And also the 'they speak in the third person' affliction |
| 23:54.17 | Cairenn | bah, she suffers no such thing |
| 23:55.29 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 23:55.33 | Kirkburn | =) |
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| 23:58.11 | Tem | kael's been sleeping the day away |
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| 23:58.34 | Cairenn | so it does seem |
| 23:58.45 | Cairenn | which is annoying, since he's got a bug in his new KCI |
