| 00:00.03 | Adrine | I am laughing so hard at that |
| 00:00.05 | Kirkburn|Yadda | *head bangs against table, nose explodes* |
| 00:00.06 | sancus | thats the funniest thing I've seen on tymnd |
| 00:00.06 | sancus | since macgyver fixing servers |
| 00:00.06 | Adrine | The ship bubbling does it doe me |
| 00:00.09 | Cairenn | cladhaire: reach over and smack him for me, will you? how can I yell at him for you if he won't listen to me yelling at him for you? |
| 00:00.14 | snurre | what's the name of that remix? |
| 00:00.33 | Kirkburn|Yadda | lolly-stupid-song-thing |
| 00:00.43 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Liotuma |
| 00:00.46 | Kirkburn|Yadda | darn |
| 00:00.52 | Kirkburn|Yadda | loituma |
| 00:00.59 | snurre | the original is Loituma - Levan Polkaa |
| 00:01.23 | Adrine | MacGyver fixing the servers was one of the more clever YTMNDs I've seen. |
| 00:01.26 | Kirkburn|Yadda | You're gonna have to wait for the next expansion now :( |
| 00:01.54 | snurre | hm, I found yet another remix, but wrong one :p |
| 00:02.00 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Draenei Racial: spontaneously turn into MacGyver during periods of high latency |
| 00:02.18 | ckknight | lol |
| 00:02.29 | ckknight | do we know their racial yet? |
| 00:02.30 | Cairenn | mmmmmmm |
| 00:02.31 | Adrine | http://www.worldofleviathan.com/images/060510femaledraedar.jpg |
| 00:02.33 | Kirkburn|Yadda | HoT |
| 00:02.59 | Cairenn | at the MacGyver thing, although she's none to hard on the eyes either |
| 00:03.02 | zenzelezz | that's one of the things I miss most from my AO fixer... my HoTs |
| 00:03.02 | ckknight | oh yea, Adrine, I'd tap that |
| 00:03.04 | Kirkburn|Yadda | <Adrine> http://www.worldofleviathan.com/images/060510femaledraedar.jpg |
| 00:03.04 | Kirkburn|Yadda | * Cairenn drools |
| 00:03.07 | Kirkburn|Yadda | hehehe |
| 00:03.19 | Cairenn | oh bite me Kirkburn|Yadda :p |
| 00:03.21 | Adrine | ckknight: If you're a Blood Elf, you CAN tap that! |
| 00:03.21 | Cairenn | hehhehe |
| 00:03.35 | Adrine | Mana Tap - Drains 50 mana from your target and charges you with Arcane energy until cancelled. This effect stacks up to 3 times. |
| 00:03.37 | Adrine | Tada. |
| 00:03.39 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Adrine wins! |
| 00:04.09 | Adrine | Of course. |
| 00:04.13 | Kirkburn|Yadda | ... nothing. You get nothing. You lose! |
| 00:04.30 | Adrine | Every blood elf in existance will want a macro saying "Dayum, %t! I'd tap that!" when they cast that spell. |
| 00:04.46 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I don't get it :( |
| 00:05.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: With the introduction of the Blood Elves, could we see an evil Blood Elf Male Hunter named Nneriac attempt to take down WoWI? |
| 00:05.25 | Cairenn | nope |
| 00:05.39 | Cairenn | a female one, however ... |
| 00:05.40 | Adrine | Outta here |
| 00:05.42 | Adrine | Take it easy, folks. |
| 00:05.44 | Cairenn | later Adrine |
| 00:05.44 | Kirkburn|Yadda | byee |
| 00:05.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:06.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Heh |
| 00:06.11 | Adrine|Draenied | (So making a paladin with that name who will bubble-hearth when almost dead) |
| 00:06.12 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Hey, you spelt it wrong :P |
| 00:06.21 | Adrine|Draenied | It's a past tense verb! |
| 00:06.34 | Adrine|Draenied | It could be Draeneied |
| 00:06.37 | Adrine|Draenied | But that's awkward. |
| 00:06.37 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I'm a little teapot, short and stout |
| 00:06.51 | Kirkburn|Yadda | laa-laaa-laaa not list'ning |
| 00:07.04 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Here's my handle, here's my spout |
| 00:07.08 | Adrine|Draenied | Ok, before I go. |
| 00:07.08 | Adrine|Draenied | http://pokecruise.ytmnd.com/ |
| 00:07.23 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Sounds ominous |
| 00:07.41 | Cairenn | omfg Adrine|Draenied, what the hell?! |
| 00:08.01 | Adrine|Draenied | I assume that's Mission Impossible 3, but I haven't seen it yet. |
| 00:08.18 | Kirkburn|Yadda | loooool |
| 00:08.41 | Kirkburn|Yadda | me neither, but still |
| 00:08.43 | Adrine|Draenied | But it's friggin' hilarious |
| 00:09.00 | Cairenn | bloody hard on the eyes is what it is |
| 00:09.12 | Adrine|Draenied | Ok. Outta here for real. |
| 00:11.18 | Kirkburn|Eredare | poop |
| 00:12.09 | Wobin_ | Isn't that MI:1? |
| 00:12.18 | Kirkburn|Eredard | Every server is gonna have loads of 'Archymonde' clones come the expansion :( |
| 00:12.18 | Wobin_ | Y'know, Red light, Green light... boom? |
| 00:13.31 | cladhaire | ckknight: The only racial for the Draenai I saw were 15 to jewel crafting, +10 shadow resistance, +2% chance to hit with spells passive aura (it seemed) and a spell that heals the Draenai for 50 over 12 seconds. |
| 00:13.53 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:14.01 | ckknight | Undead already have +10 shadow resist, though |
| 00:16.05 | cladhaire | I believe it was shadow. |
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| 00:17.54 | KarlKFI | mm, so i just had a shaman friend of mine agree that paladins are better |
| 00:18.02 | Kirkburn|Eredard | They're like the ultimate holy characters |
| 00:19.30 | Miravlix | cladhaire: You should re-read, you have gotten it all wrong |
| 00:19.34 | cladhaire | incoming 4 lines of spam: Ability: Blessing of the Naaru - heals the target of 50 damage over 15 sec |
| 00:19.35 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.35 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.35 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.44 | cladhaire | Miravlix: I've gotten what all wrong/ |
| 00:19.55 | Miravlix | There racials |
| 00:20.01 | cladhaire | ORLY? |
| 00:20.06 | Kirkburn|Eredard | YARLY |
| 00:20.11 | KarlKFI | rivals humans |
| 00:20.13 | cladhaire | and where are you reading, cause everywhere I've seen has what I just posted. |
| 00:20.15 | Wobin_ | NOWAI |
| 00:20.21 | Miravlix | It's scaled 50 HoT over 15 seconds |
| 00:20.24 | Kirkburn|Eredard | PEW PEW pEW |
| 00:20.34 | cladhaire | Okay.. so i was off by 3 seconds.. and it obviously scales, I'm not a retard. |
| 00:20.41 | fatbrain | shammies sucks |
| 00:20.46 | KarlKFI | amen |
| 00:20.51 | cladhaire | I just don't happen to have a level 70 Draenai, do you? |
| 00:20.51 | Kirkburn|Eredard | Mmmm, braaiiiiinnnnnsssss |
| 00:20.58 | Kirkburn|Eredard | I do. |
| 00:21.17 | cladhaire | What else did I get wrong Mr(s). Smartypants? |
| 00:21.49 | Miravlix | Someone already posted the others. |
| 00:21.54 | cladhaire | Yeah, me. |
| 00:22.00 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 00:22.05 | Kirkburn|Eredard | Mrs. Smartypants cannot come to the keyboard right now, please wait whilst I transfer you to my customer services department. |
| 00:22.15 | cladhaire | Those were the Bloodelf racials. |
| 00:22.20 | cladhaire | learn2expansion |
| 00:22.41 | Kirkburn|Eredard | Hello, welcome to the Smartypants Hotline, how may I help j00? |
| 00:23.02 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|Eredard: My boss just said something about another co-worker wearing a pink shirt. Is it okay to laugh? |
| 00:23.14 | Miravlix | Your second post had some corrections |
| 00:23.44 | cladhaire | Miravlix: YEs.. but I posted both of them.. and it was a 1% difference in Inspiring Presence and I was of by 3 seconds on the heal. |
| 00:23.46 | Kirkburn|Eredard | Yes. In all situations where oner person demeans another, it is important to point and laugh. Loudly. |
| 00:23.56 | cladhaire | Do you want me to call you out anytime you say ANYTHIGN wrong? Cause I'd never stop talking. |
| 00:24.07 | cladhaire | Cause you're rarely correct |
| 00:24.12 | Cairenn | ... |
| 00:24.15 | Kirkburn|Eredard | Do you have any more inquiries, or should I tell you to back to school? |
| 00:24.29 | ckknight | back's not a verb |
| 00:24.39 | cladhaire | (This is all said with a smile on my face.. I'm in a spectacular mood) =) |
| 00:24.46 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 00:24.48 | Cairenn | ah, clad just got some |
| 00:24.53 | cladhaire | No |
| 00:24.55 | Wobin_ | baby got back |
| 00:24.56 | cladhaire | not in a week or so actually |
| 00:25.02 | cladhaire | just had a good workout. |
| 00:25.04 | ckknight | shake that booty, Wobin_ |
| 00:25.06 | cladhaire | endorphins and such |
| 00:25.40 | Kirkburn|Eredard | I'm sorry, ckknight has just got me sacked from my job on the Smartypants hotline. Returning you to normal services in 3, 2, 1 ... |
| 00:26.01 | Kirkburn|Eredard | rawr |
| 00:26.03 | cladhaire | Miravlix: Next time you try and recall something from memory while trying to find the link so you can post the actual text.. keep this conversation in mind-- I certainly will. I do appreciate you attempting to keep the facts in the channel straight-- there is a lot of bad information that floats around, and I try my best not to contribute to it. |
| 00:26.16 | Cairenn | cladhaire: I didn't say what it was you'd just gotten, so :p |
| 00:26.30 | Miravlix | cladhaire: *shrugs* |
| 00:26.56 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Chlamydia is not a flower! |
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| 00:28.21 | cladhaire | I had to look Chlamydia up cause it has so many different spellings.. O.o |
| 00:28.42 | Tain | But only one burn. |
| 00:29.45 | KarlKFI | people that ask if they can ask a question irritate me. is that a problem I should be looking to solve? |
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| 00:29.55 | cladhaire | http://www.malicesb.net/wapnew/ is a bunch of information. Normally at http://whataboutpp.com |
| 00:30.04 | cladhaire | Kaelten: Can I ask you a question? =) |
| 00:30.10 | cladhaire | whoa.. damn tab completino. |
| 00:30.22 | cladhaire | KarlKFI: The worst is when they just ask the questino-- and don't follow it up on the same line.. |
| 00:30.23 | Miravlix | KarlKFI: I don't think people will ever stop asking if they can ask. |
| 00:30.32 | Kirkburn1 | "completino" .... turning Italian, cladhaire ? |
| 00:30.39 | cladhaire | I can take people saying "Do you have a minute to answer a question?" |
| 00:30.52 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: I just spelled question as questino, but got it in time =) |
| 00:31.01 | Kirkburn1 | aww |
| 00:32.00 | Kirkburn1 | No you didn't |
| 00:32.34 | ckknight | you kids need to stop fighting, don't make me separate you two |
| 00:33.02 | Kirkburn1 | It's like a bloodbath in here! Insults flying all over the place |
| 00:33.27 | Kirkburn1 | He pinched me :( |
| 00:33.34 | Kirkburn1 | Mummy! |
| 00:33.38 | Cairenn | cladhaire: what on EARTH are you talking about, chlamydia? I didn't say anything about chlamydia ... |
| 00:34.03 | Kirkburn1 | Oooh, is cairenn giving hints about the next alliance race? Earthen? We shoudl be told ... |
| 00:34.18 | Miravlix | Cairenn: Thats a big problem actually, people don't talk enough about it so people aren't aware of the danger |
| 00:34.43 | Cairenn | Miravlix: heh |
| 00:34.48 | Kirkburn1 | The triple whammy ... I'm proud |
| 00:35.23 | KarlKFI | when I become runner of the universe I'm going to require people to read the documentation before asking for help on punnishment of death |
| 00:35.28 | KarlKFI | ruler* |
| 00:35.37 | Cairenn | KarlKFI: a noble intent |
| 00:35.57 | Kirkburn1 | I was aiming for a sigh, but to go the whole hog ... well, that makes me proud to be odd. |
| 00:35.58 | Miravlix | Where do I find the documentation for the universe? |
| 00:35.58 | Cairenn | the requirement to rtfm |
| 00:36.20 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Say Chlamydia. It sounds like a flower, but ITS NOT. And I just found this out. |
| 00:36.28 | KarlKFI | documentation for the universe is on file at the center to universal control |
| 00:36.55 | KarlKFI | 'Center for Universal Control' |
| 00:36.58 | KarlKFI | CUC |
| 00:37.02 | Cairenn | cladhaire: I'm quite aware of what it is, and can't believe you didn't know :p |
| 00:37.10 | Kirkburn1 | cladhaire, you've never come across it before (obviously, hopefully not literally) |
| 00:37.11 | Kirkburn1 | ? |
| 00:37.32 | cladhaire | *cackle* |
| 00:37.36 | KarlKFI | also know as the 'Center for Universal Control of the Universe' (CUCU) on some planets |
| 00:37.42 | cladhaire | No I have... but I used that line on an ex-girlfriend once |
| 00:37.43 | cladhaire | it got me hit |
| 00:37.50 | cladhaire | but my timing was superb =) |
| 00:38.04 | cladhaire | Came in the middle of an argument.. something like "Don't say I never gave you anything".. |
| 00:38.11 | Cairenn | OMFG |
| 00:38.13 | Kirkburn1 | lol |
| 00:38.14 | cladhaire | "Oh yeah, well Chlamydia isn't a flower hun." |
| 00:38.28 | cladhaire | I think its from a movie.. but the source is lost |
| 00:40.06 | Kirkburn1 | *of |
| 00:40.43 | cladhaire | Sooo... why did the alliance get all the boobies? |
| 00:40.53 | Kirkburn1 | So, the new race is Eredar ... who whould have thunk it, eh? |
| 00:41.07 | cladhaire | I have to roll a Draenai priest now.. just cause I already have a NE priest.. and they look SOOOOO pimp-tastic. |
| 00:41.35 | Kirkburn1 | Is it a talking book Cairenn? :) |
| 00:41.39 | Wobin_ | cladhaire: Have you -seen- the belfs? |
| 00:41.47 | Wobin_ | Boobtastic |
| 00:41.54 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:41.57 | cladhaire | i know =) |
| 00:42.01 | cladhaire | that'll be my warlock |
| 00:42.10 | cladhaire | i've been holding off on making one. |
| 00:42.14 | Kirkburn1 | As Mr. Smithers once said ... "I like boobies!" |
| 00:43.51 | Kirkburn1 | Currently we're all beating our chests and shouting UG! UG! UG! |
| 00:44.15 | Miravlix | Draenei females beats nelf and belf |
| 00:45.13 | Miravlix | But belf has the best looking males |
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| 00:47.16 | Kirkburn | Well, I should be going to bed now |
| 00:47.37 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 00:47.53 | Kirkburn | It's been fun :) Probably just odd, and confusing for everyone else. But I had fun nonetheless =) |
| 00:48.19 | Kirkburn | Sleep tight, all! |
| 00:52.51 | Tem | wow... I've been at work for nearly 4 hours now |
| 00:53.10 | Tem | and I've been reading mage stuff the whole time |
| 00:53.25 | Tem | I typically run out of patience/lose interest within the first 30 minutes |
| 00:57.30 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:57.35 | cladhaire | What do you think of the new spec |
| 01:04.50 | Tem | I'm real, real excited about some of the new changes |
| 01:05.02 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:05.04 | cladhaire | good |
| 01:05.58 | Tem | but most of all, I'm more exicted that there are two, intelligently written threads with Tseric responses that explain in no uncertain terms that Arcane Resillience (and hopefully wand spec too) *must* go before this goes live |
| 01:06.48 | Tem | I would understand if wand spec didn't go since it's still taking up space in a priest talent tree |
| 01:07.05 | Tem | but that seems like a poor excuse for it to still exist |
| 01:07.07 | gnorlish | what do you think about them tacking hate reduction on top of existing talents |
| 01:07.14 | Tem | I heart it |
| 01:07.37 | gnorlish | i don't really understand why they picked that fire talent to pop the reduction onto |
| 01:07.41 | Tem | me either |
| 01:07.46 | gnorlish | it seems to be pvp-related |
| 01:07.50 | Tem | but meh, I probably won't ever use it |
| 01:08.00 | Tem | I doubt I'll ever play a fire build again |
| 01:08.13 | gnorlish | it's entirely possible to put something like 46 points into a frost build |
| 01:08.25 | Tem | I actually plan to try that |
| 01:08.37 | clad|away | *nod* |
| 01:08.41 | clad|away | not a useless talent in the bunch |
| 01:08.41 | Tem | when the test server comes I'm going to be trying out several specs |
| 01:08.45 | Tem | no kidding |
| 01:08.47 | clad|away | except the extra chill one. |
| 01:08.49 | clad|away | that's useless. |
| 01:08.53 | Tem | I disagree |
| 01:09.00 | Tem | (though I must admit I've never taken it) |
| 01:09.24 | gnorlish | arcane tree still seems a little iffy |
| 01:09.41 | gnorlish | but i think that's because a lot of the mage arcane-based spells are shady in the first place |
| 01:09.45 | Tem | Compare that to things like wand spec and Arcane resillience and you can't begin to call Permafrost useless |
| 01:10.18 | Tem | I just find it extra annoying (lore wise) that the "Masters of the Arcane" get pwnt by all other classes that use magic |
| 01:10.56 | gnorlish | they gave up on lore long ago |
| 01:11.04 | Tem | It's a design thing and I can live with it, but it annoys me nontheless |
| 01:11.12 | clad|away | Tem: Only by shadow.. with the new wards.. and imp wards.. that would destroy fire/frost casters. |
| 01:11.13 | clad|away | but i agree. |
| 01:11.24 | Tem | so, what other classes case frost? |
| 01:11.26 | Tem | and fire? |
| 01:11.33 | clad|away | tem: http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/ |
| 01:11.40 | clad|away | Tem: Warlocks that are dumb can fire =) |
| 01:11.49 | Tem | (yes warlocks cast fire but it's their "weaker" spells) |
| 01:12.48 | Tem | clad|away: LOLOLOL @ that ytmd |
| 01:13.02 | clad|away | =) |
| 01:13.03 | Tem | ytmnd* |
| 01:13.15 | gnorlish | a universal spell shield would be nice |
| 01:13.23 | gnorlish | without having to pop 30 into frost |
| 01:13.36 | Tem | meh |
| 01:13.39 | gnorlish | use it to absorb mana or to self-buff with +dmg or something |
| 01:13.41 | Tem | would be nice |
| 01:13.49 | Tem | oooh |
| 01:13.55 | Tem | WTB Absorb mana spell |
| 01:15.13 | gnorlish | there's that passive arcane talent now |
| 01:15.33 | gnorlish | regain up to 5% of your mana on a spell resist |
| 01:15.43 | gnorlish | seeing as how fire can have partials though |
| 01:15.48 | gnorlish | i wonder how it would work |
| 01:15.58 | gnorlish | well, any but ice |
| 01:16.12 | Tem | yeah I've been wondering too |
| 01:17.03 | gnorlish | i would never have to drink ever in MC / bwl if partial resist counted |
| 01:17.23 | Tem | hehe |
| 01:17.30 | Tem | Vael |
| 01:17.34 | Tem | Essence of the Red fading? |
| 01:17.37 | Tem | No problem! |
| 01:18.03 | gnorlish | can you imagine mages trying to burn vael down though |
| 01:18.07 | Tem | (well, yes it's a pretty big indication that your raid is dps gimped if he's not dead by that point) |
| 01:18.13 | gnorlish | the entire raid would just walk away from their computers |
| 01:18.33 | Tem | it's still short enough |
| 01:18.45 | gnorlish | i end up getting all of our mages killed once we're short healers anyways |
| 01:18.54 | gnorlish | as long as we have enough loks and hunters to eat BA |
| 01:19.11 | Tem | you? |
| 01:19.18 | Tem | though, the rest of the raid *did* walk away when we 10 manned Sulfurus because of dumb tanks at the start of it |
| 01:19.27 | gnorlish | i move the groups and call healing assignments when BA's hit |
| 01:19.34 | Tem | ah |
| 01:20.02 | sancus | magic absorption is when you resist a spell not when one of yours is resiste |
| 01:20.13 | gnorlish | seeing as how i'm either on my mage and hammering 2 buttons |
| 01:20.19 | gnorlish | or on my shaman and hammering 2 buttons |
| 01:20.20 | sancus | who knows if its partials or not |
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| 01:34.01 | Tem | holy crap t3 set bonuses rock |
| 01:35.33 | Tem | "When your health drops below 20%, healing spells cast on you help you to cheat death, increasing healing done by 160" |
| 01:35.56 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 01:36.19 | zenzelezz | I can picture T4 bonuses... "8 pieces: immunity to damage" |
| 01:36.22 | Wobin_ | ... that's for what class? |
| 01:36.34 | Tem | warrior |
| 01:37.10 | Tem | "You damage spells have a chance to cause your target to take an additional 200 damage from subsequent spells" |
| 01:37.47 | zenzelezz | sounds like the stuff will be utterly hard to acquire |
| 01:38.56 | Tem | they all have *very* strong pve focus |
| 01:39.38 | gnorlish | mages got more reduced hate! |
| 01:39.45 | gnorlish | all we need to get is 8 pieces of t3 |
| 01:39.53 | Tem | whew |
| 01:39.57 | Tem | I was worried |
| 01:41.20 | Tem | Mage t3 appears to look very cool |
| 01:41.27 | Tem | warrior t3 isn't spiky enough |
| 01:41.34 | Tem | shaman t3 looks *godly& |
| 01:41.41 | Tem | s/&/*/ |
| 01:42.14 | Tem | oh, hmm, that might actually be a rogue and not a warrior |
| 01:42.16 | Tem | I can't tell |
| 01:42.59 | Tem | ah, it's rogue t3 |
| 01:43.02 | Tem | looks like plate |
| 01:43.17 | Tem | just found warrior t3 and it looks like warlock gear in this ss |
| 01:45.24 | Tem | Rofl! |
| 01:45.34 | Tem | Pally gear looks like a Mega Man outfit |
| 01:48.33 | gnorlish | that fits right in with wrath set |
| 01:50.08 | Tem | yeah, I see a better screenshot of the warrior set now |
| 01:50.13 | Tem | it looks awesome |
| 01:50.28 | Tem | Shaman looks the best so far |
| 01:50.53 | Tem | pally looks cool, but I just can't shake the original megaman impression |
| 01:51.02 | Tem | so it just seems silly |
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| 02:25.13 | Ktron|afk | Is there a frame that the casting bar is attached to that I can move with visor to move the casting bar? |
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| 02:25.36 | netcurse | hi can you guys check http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons.html if everything work fine ?? |
| 02:26.02 | Ktron|afk | it came up for me |
| 02:26.08 | Ktron|afk | and looks very different? |
| 02:29.12 | Iriel | netcurse : Loads for me, is there anything specific that needs checking? |
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| 02:31.39 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 03:07.59 | zespri_work | would be nice if there were redirect from http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php netcurse |
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| 03:19.11 | netcurse | what the hell :s |
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| 03:28.22 | netcurse | zespri_work -> fixed |
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| 04:00.18 | zespri_work | netcurse: thanks! |
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| 04:58.38 | Elviso | anyone have any hunter t3 info? |
| 04:59.03 | Iriel | Hm, so the Halo 3 trailer is yummier than I thought it would be |
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| 05:30.34 | fatbrain | What would be a good way to automagicly collect mail-item-money? |
| 05:32.08 | Tain | Get the AH_MailCollect addon. |
| 05:34.43 | fatbrain | no, that's not what I meant. |
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| 06:14.33 | Iriel | g'night |
| 06:16.11 | wereHamster | night |
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| 07:43.30 | Wobin_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9rzMaAucI4 |
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| 07:55.23 | fatbrain | is the lua-process in wow multi-threaded? |
| 07:55.47 | fatbrain | that is... can two events handler functions run at the same time? |
| 08:02.07 | krka|work | no |
| 08:06.34 | fatbrain | I seem to get MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE twice without exiting the first one :S |
| 08:08.00 | wereHamster | that's possible |
| 08:08.24 | wereHamster | but it doesn't mean lua is multithreaded |
| 08:09.09 | wereHamster | most likely you're calling a WoW function in your event handler which than executes your event handler again |
| 08:14.24 | [MoonWolf] | sometimes certain events are paused to let another event get processed, if that event is done the first one is unpaused. |
| 08:28.56 | krka|work | your lua code will never be interrupted by other lua code |
| 08:29.18 | krka|work | _but_ blizzard api functions can trigger events and stuff before returning to your code |
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| 09:34.57 | Wobin_ | I'm torn |
| 09:35.03 | Wobin_ | There are no good swords around my level |
| 09:35.12 | Wobin_ | But I don't know if I want to be a mace rogue |
| 09:35.29 | Wobin_ | Then again, I do have a Mug 'o' Hurt for later levels... |
| 09:37.09 | Wobin_ | It's hard to find nonmainhand one handed maces =( |
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| 09:53.34 | wereHamster | does string.format use msvcrt functions? or has lua/WoW its own functions for string formatting? |
| 09:56.58 | Wobin_ | The format string follows the same rules as the printf family of standard C functions. The only differences are that the options/modifiers *, l, L, n, p, and h are not supported, and there is an extra option, q. The q option formats a string in a form suitable to be safely read back by the Lua interpreter: |
| 09:58.12 | wereHamster | I know that it follows the same format, but I want to know if string.format uses/calls msvcrt string functions or if it has implemented the formatting on its own |
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| 11:00.16 | norganna_ | nite |
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| 11:32.11 | Elkano^wtf | hmm... EU webpage/login down? |
| 11:34.00 | zenzelezz | site loads for me, just slowly |
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| 13:22.13 | JoshBorke | morning everyone |
| 13:23.00 | [MoonWolf] | morning |
| 13:23.13 | [MoonWolf] | dont mind the interdemntional dreanei. |
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| 13:28.45 | [MoonWolf] | morning Cairenn |
| 13:28.52 | Cairenn | morning [MoonWolf] |
| 13:29.44 | [MoonWolf] | the forums are being their daily idiotic self again |
| 13:29.48 | [MoonWolf] | why did I ever go there. |
| 13:29.53 | Cairenn | happy happy joy joy |
| 13:30.08 | Cairenn | users or forums themselves? |
| 13:30.14 | [MoonWolf] | the blizzard forums. |
| 13:30.19 | [MoonWolf] | so the users. |
| 13:30.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 13:30.27 | Cairenn | general, I'm presuming? |
| 13:30.34 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 13:30.36 | [MoonWolf] | omg lore |
| 13:30.43 | [MoonWolf] | lazerz pew pew pew |
| 13:30.48 | Cairenn | I never go there |
| 13:30.54 | [MoonWolf] | bloodelf stole my spaceship |
| 13:30.55 | [MoonWolf] | atc |
| 13:30.57 | [MoonWolf] | etc* |
| 13:31.02 | [MoonWolf] | I was hoping to find you know, information. |
| 13:31.52 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.13 | [MoonWolf] | oh god |
| 13:32.23 | [MoonWolf] | the dreanei are so silly. |
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| 13:33.02 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.16 | Wobin_ | Can someone try http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ganges8uv.png and see if they see the picture? |
| 13:33.40 | zenzelezz | loads for me |
| 13:33.42 | Cairenn | I do |
| 13:33.45 | Wobin_ | Cool |
| 13:33.45 | [MoonWolf] | I do. |
| 13:33.52 | Wobin_ | dunno what my father is on about =P |
| 13:35.11 | [MoonWolf] | "The gravity on this planet is great, I lost 30 pounds!" |
| 13:36.46 | Kirkburn | How about ... http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e230/dhrun2/DraeniDone3.jpg |
| 13:36.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:37.16 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 13:37.37 | Kirkburn | The Draenei ship is certainly quite large |
| 13:38.11 | Kirkburn | Do people know how you start as a Draenei, or would you like to know? |
| 13:38.50 | [MoonWolf] | I know |
| 13:38.54 | [MoonWolf] | lets not spoil it to much |
| 13:39.00 | [MoonWolf] | it involves ships |
| 13:39.43 | Kirkburn | Okay, I won't go into it ... it a pretty cool method though, certainly not something they've done in WoW before :) |
| 13:40.34 | [MoonWolf] | I dont mind it much, its not a huge problem, sure its weird but its blizzard, blizzard deals weird like coke dealers deal coke. |
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| 13:41.07 | Kirkburn | lol, interesting way of putting it |
| 13:41.43 | Kirkburn | I'm certain Metzen has it all in far more detail than we're currently privy to |
| 13:41.52 | [MoonWolf] | most likely |
| 13:42.13 | [MoonWolf] | also note, the interview with that guy was live, and he doesnt look like a person that reall is interested in lore |
| 13:42.19 | [MoonWolf] | so he may have things wrong. |
| 13:42.32 | [MoonWolf] | ofcouse people will never take that as an awnser |
| 13:42.52 | Cairenn | I presume you guys have all seen this article dealing with the thing that folks *really* seem to care about at E3? http://www.allakhazam.com/e3/news/sdetail7331.html?story=7331 |
| 13:43.04 | Cairenn | :p |
| 13:43.42 | [MoonWolf] | wait what, I dont need booth babes. |
| 13:43.53 | [MoonWolf] | who cares about that..... |
| 13:44.52 | [MoonWolf] | why not |
| 13:44.57 | [MoonWolf] | all the cool games, and stuff. |
| 13:45.56 | Cairenn | because certain people seem to have it in their mind that they could try to pass me off as such. They'd be laughed out of the industry, for one, and for two, no thank you |
| 13:47.11 | Cairenn | I didn't hear about *that* little idea until this week |
| 13:47.21 | Kirkburn | That's just sad, that article |
| 13:47.38 | Kirkburn | But at least it's not complaining :) |
| 13:47.42 | Cairenn | yeah, I know, isn't it? Too much clothing, right? :p |
| 13:48.02 | Kirkburn | I'm happy they put the restictions in place |
| 13:48.42 | Kirkburn | Found out about them yesterday from a post of joystiq (naturally there was a sizeble number of stupid comments) |
| 13:48.44 | [MoonWolf] | I cant say I minded the idea of booth babes. |
| 13:48.48 | [MoonWolf] | but I wont miss them either. |
| 13:49.07 | Cairenn | oh, they are still there, they just need to wear slightly more clothing |
| 13:49.08 | Kirkburn | Well, they haven't said no to them, just made sure they're actually wearing clothes |
| 13:49.52 | [MoonWolf] | thats fine too. |
| 13:51.46 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comics/gu_20060124.jpg |
| 13:51.47 | krka|work | clothing FTL |
| 14:07.07 | Kirkburn | I like the name of the Draenei start area ... Ammen Vale ... nice play on words, given their connection to the Light |
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| 14:16.04 | Tem | rawr! |
| 14:16.43 | Industrial | Kirkburn: OMG where do you guys get this info from |
| 14:16.45 | Industrial | link me |
| 14:16.49 | Industrial | i wanna read :| |
| 14:17.58 | Kirkburn | Lots of places, OGaming, WoW Insider, Worldofwar.net |
| 14:20.19 | Kirkburn | Disturbing, Sony felt thye needed policemen at their booth |
| 14:20.36 | Kirkburn | http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/11/lapd-at-the-ps3-booth/ |
| 14:21.57 | Kirkburn | Hmm, they didn't stop all the scantily clad women ... http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/11/e3-day-one-booth-babe-spotting/ |
| 14:21.57 | Crispix | *yawn* |
| 14:21.59 | Crispix | Morning |
| 14:22.02 | Kirkburn | CIao |
| 14:22.11 | Crispix | o_o |
| 14:22.15 | Crispix | I come in and kirk leaves? |
| 14:22.34 | Wobin_ | You never see the two of you in the room together! |
| 14:23.50 | Crispix | oh believe me.. I'm not kirkburn |
| 14:24.04 | Kirkburn | When will people learn |
| 14:24.08 | Crispix | Kirky's got a much MUCH better understanding of the wowui than I do/could of ever understand |
| 14:24.12 | Kirkburn | Ciao means hello AND goodbye |
| 14:24.28 | Crispix | Oh.. well.. Ciao to you too m8 :P |
| 14:24.40 | Kirkburn | Crispix, thanks =) Not sure I'd agree, but thanks anyway! |
| 14:25.28 | Kirkburn | I s'pose I could use Buongiorno instead ... |
| 14:25.37 | Crispix | Did everyone hear the news that Solid Snake is going to be in Smash Bros Brawl aka the Wii version of Smash Bros? |
| 14:25.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 14:25.48 | Crispix | Dead serious |
| 14:25.53 | Wobin_ | Does he like... eviscerate mario? |
| 14:26.02 | Crispix | No one knows |
| 14:26.06 | Crispix | he hides in boxes though |
| 14:26.08 | Crispix | http://www.smashbros.com/en/movie/index.html |
| 14:26.11 | Wobin_ | Itsa me! Marioooaorrrghgghgh, MY CHEST! |
| 14:26.22 | Crispix | I do wanna know if I can snap marios neck.. :D |
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| 14:27.49 | Kirkburn | Btw, here's one preview of the expansion ... http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/hands-on-with-wow-the-burning-crusade/ ... they called Quel'thalas HellFire Citadel which was a bit stoopid though |
| 14:28.10 | Crispix | http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6559/snake23ti.jpg |
| 14:28.18 | krka|work | male bloodelf dance r00lz |
| 14:28.27 | krka|work | anyone know where the female dance comes from? |
| 14:28.49 | Kirkburn | It's the twist, no? |
| 14:29.12 | krka|work | nope |
| 14:29.16 | krka|work | napoleon dynamite |
| 14:29.23 | krka|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8263224 |
| 14:29.29 | krka|work | for males |
| 14:29.41 | Kirkburn | I thought the males did the pulp fiction dance |
| 14:29.42 | Wobin_ | That's the male belf dance |
| 14:30.04 | Wobin_ | The male does the ND dance |
| 14:30.32 | Kirkburn | I've not seen it |
| 14:30.32 | krka|work | you're confusing me wobin |
| 14:30.35 | Kirkburn | (the film) |
| 14:30.41 | krka|work | no wait.. you don't |
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| 14:54.57 | krka|work | http://lorelol.ytmnsfw.com/ |
| 14:59.59 | Miravlix | They have changed the dance since Blizcon |
| 15:00.11 | Kirkburn | mmm |
| 15:00.33 | Kirkburn | I've never seen Napoleon Dynamite, so I can't confirm the male dance |
| 15:02.01 | Kirkburn | Both dances are cool though |
| 15:03.27 | krka|work | they nailed the ND dance pretty good |
| 15:04.39 | Kirkburn | But more importantaly, what the Draenei dance? |
| 15:11.29 | zenzelezz | probably a striptease so people can more easily dance for money |
| 15:11.29 | Cide | hmm. |
| 15:11.37 | Cide | interesting "leadership ui" additions |
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| 15:16.50 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=510280&p=1&tmp=1#post510280 |
| 15:18.23 | Kirkburn | What a great post ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8267994&p=1&tmp=1#post8267994 .... coming in the next expansion, the "Male storm" |
| 15:18.30 | krka|work | oh nice |
| 15:18.49 | Kirkburn | That's cool, Cide |
| 15:19.14 | Cide | yeah, the first part |
| 15:20.25 | Kirkburn | Damn excellent in fact |
| 15:20.38 | Kirkburn | No more 'r?' checks |
| 15:21.21 | Cide | that would be a straight feature gank :) |
| 15:22.33 | Kirkburn | The article it links (http://pc.ign.com/articles/707/707495p2.html) is very interesting |
| 15:23.05 | Kirkburn | Lol, Hellfire Citadel ... "Wing 3 is level 7" |
| 15:28.00 | Kirkburn | That's odd, my housemate came back with a girl ... and now I hear the shower ... |
| 15:28.57 | krka|work | not following |
| 15:30.07 | Kirkburn | nvm .... oooh, ""The flying mount will be at least as fast as the current airborne transportation" |
| 15:30.45 | zenzelezz | any word on what they'll cost? |
| 15:31.42 | krka|work | 1000 gold maybe? |
| 15:32.40 | Ktron| | griffons are roughly ~300% speed right? |
| 15:33.07 | krka|work | more like 400 |
| 15:33.07 | Ktron| | as in, +200% |
| 15:33.18 | Ktron| | ah, so like +300% then |
| 15:33.26 | krka|work | yeah |
| 15:33.30 | krka|work | but it really varies |
| 15:33.37 | krka|work | between 250 - 500 or something |
| 15:33.43 | Ktron| | (0,0), (60,100), (100,1000)... |
| 15:34.12 | krka|work | 100 000 then :P |
| 15:34.41 | Ktron| | norgs|away, 100 000 would be if it was (10,100) not (60,100)... give me a sec |
| 15:36.01 | krka|work | yeah what were you thinking norgs|away? |
| 15:36.42 | Kirkburn | Have I missed something?? |
| 15:37.18 | Kirkburn | Like, er, the topic about which you are discussing? |
| 15:37.27 | krka|work | not sure if this may be better points: (100, 0), (130, 0), (160, 100), (200, 1000), (500, X) |
| 15:37.32 | krka|work | cost of flying mount |
| 15:37.48 | Kirkburn | Oh, I seeee now |
| 15:37.52 | krka|work | Ktron| is working on the assumption that the cost is a function of speed bonus |
| 15:38.06 | Ktron| | well, whether you start with 0 or 100 shouldn't change anything |
| 15:38.16 | Kirkburn | No, but it would make more sense |
| 15:38.21 | Kirkburn | It gives you a base speed |
| 15:38.36 | Ktron| | it makes the math easier if the initial point is (0,0) |
| 15:38.52 | Kirkburn | You can't scale from 0 though, because whatever you multiply it by, it's still 0 |
| 15:39.08 | Tem | oh |
| 15:39.09 | Tem | em |
| 15:39.10 | Tem | gee |
| 15:39.20 | Ktron| | Kirkburn, what do you mean? |
| 15:39.34 | Ktron| | you just shifted everything right by 100 gu |
| 15:39.35 | Tem | there are actually fire mages complaining about frost changes |
| 15:39.35 | Ktron| | that's all |
| 15:39.45 | Kirkburn | I'm assuming it's non-linear |
| 15:39.56 | krka|work | exponential, is my guess |
| 15:40.26 | krka|work | two with only 3 points, it's hard to be sure |
| 15:40.34 | krka|work | could be quadratic |
| 15:41.08 | Kirkburn | Hmm, it does depend on how much more gold we get at 70 |
| 15:41.29 | krka|work | gather data on current incomes per level |
| 15:41.37 | krka|work | should be a nice exponential graph |
| 15:41.54 | Ktron| | yeah |
| 15:42.09 | Ktron | well |
| 15:42.25 | Ktron | roughly every 10 levels, your gold goes up by a factor of 10 |
| 15:42.49 | krka|work | then 10000 gold would be most likely |
| 15:43.04 | Ktron | 10s at 10, 1g at 20, 10g at 30, 100g at 40 |
| 15:43.07 | Tem | I haven't had more than 30g in a *long* time |
| 15:43.18 | Kirkburn | 1000g at 50, 10000 at 60 .... |
| 15:43.19 | Ktron | It plains out after that though |
| 15:43.22 | Ktron | yeah |
| 15:43.25 | Ktron | *planes |
| 15:43.31 | Miravlix | I have 106g on my main server |
| 15:43.36 | Kirkburn | 100,000 at 60 :P |
| 15:43.40 | Kirkburn | 70 :S |
| 15:44.00 | Ktron | 1000 at 60 is reasonable |
| 15:44.13 | Miravlix | ??? |
| 15:44.22 | Kirkburn | COuld be an epic quest though which would throw it all out of whack |
| 15:44.32 | Miravlix | I have 46g on my 60 without epic mount |
| 15:44.37 | Ktron | it's supposed to be an epic quest at least in part |
| 15:44.39 | Kirkburn | 1000g as the cost for something like an epic mount |
| 15:44.47 | Ktron | I just hope they aren't effectively raid only |
| 15:44.53 | Kirkburn | Not 1000g as the money a lvl 60 would have |
| 15:45.20 | Ktron | Miravlix, I also know level 45s who have over 500g each from farming (not buying) |
| 15:45.45 | Ktron | yeah, they roughly expect you to spend that much at that level |
| 15:46.27 | Miravlix | I know for one thing, I'm not even remotely close to making 100's of gold |
| 15:46.43 | Kirkburn | I don't play my lvl 60 much, but he's got over 400g now |
| 15:46.54 | Corrodias | my poor level 46 guy never did get over 100g at a time |
| 15:46.54 | Kirkburn | After doing many of the upgrade quests |
| 15:46.58 | Ktron | Actually, I bet its a quest like the new .5 tier quests-- something that requires buying lots and lots of trade goods, ie fuel the economy |
| 15:46.58 | Miravlix | But I'm doing better than when I started in beta |
| 15:47.00 | Corrodias | he never got over 52g, in fact |
| 15:47.03 | Miravlix | I have 4 mounts |
| 15:47.15 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, start doing lots of quests, lots of money to be made at lvl 60 now |
| 15:47.33 | Miravlix | Had to reroll |
| 15:47.38 | Kirkburn | why? |
| 15:47.41 | Ktron | Miravlix, you on a PvP server? |
| 15:47.54 | Miravlix | I was on launch |
| 15:48.06 | Ktron | how about right now? |
| 15:48.11 | Miravlix | But switched to RP-PVP since then |
| 15:48.17 | Ktron | ah, nice :) |
| 15:48.30 | Kirkburn | Heh http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9216/cat0xa.jpg |
| 15:48.31 | Ktron | ED, Mael, or TN? |
| 15:49.06 | Ktron | Kirkburn, lol |
| 15:49.26 | Cairenn | people are teh dumb |
| 15:49.32 | Cairenn | cats have more than 3 claws |
| 15:49.46 | Ktron | The secret to making money on PvP servers is alchemy-- PvP servers mean people like/want to use potions a lot |
| 15:49.53 | Wobin_ | Using Frame:UnregisterAllEvents() will remove any previous Frame:SetScript() calls, yes? |
| 15:49.58 | Ktron | and potions are one use-- then they need to buy more |
| 15:50.09 | Tain | Viewing that picture made me dumber. |
| 15:50.44 | Wobin_ | hehe brilliant |
| 15:50.50 | Wobin_ | CATSPIRACY! |
| 15:51.01 | Wobin_ | (Which is similar to Cats Piracy) |
| 15:51.01 | Tem | Wobin_: no |
| 15:51.23 | Wobin_ | Tem: Hm, okay then |
| 15:51.26 | Tem | Wobin_: UnregisterAllEvents is for events registered via the RegisterEvent method |
| 15:51.35 | Miravlix | Wobin_: Why would it change SetScripts? |
| 15:51.48 | Wobin_ | I guess I considered OnClick and stuff to be events |
| 15:52.04 | Tem | if you want to removed all scripts, then you need to loop though all valid scripts and do SetScript(script,nil) |
| 15:52.30 | Wobin_ | hm, painful |
| 15:52.39 | Ktron | why are the addon sites having so much trouble recently? there's been no patch... |
| 15:52.49 | Wobin_ | But then again, it would be somewhat necessary I guess |
| 15:52.50 | Miravlix | It's a one time function you can use for the rest of your natural life |
| 15:52.50 | Kirkburn | http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3936/spacemandraenei2jd.jpg |
| 15:52.58 | Cairenn | Ktron: which addons site? we haven't had any problems whatsoever |
| 15:53.04 | Kirkburn | The sabotahe explained ... http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/695/newracecrash0jq.jpg |
| 15:53.07 | Tain | Only site that's had problems is curse, and that's because they've been upgrading. |
| 15:53.14 | Kirkburn | s/sabotahe/sabotage/ |
| 15:53.14 | Miravlix | I refuse to view anything with space and Draenei in it |
| 15:53.15 | Ktron | Sorry Cairenn, yeah, you've been fine |
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| 15:53.46 | Ktron | But I've needed to get the ABInfo for Gypsy addon for a couple days now, and Curse-Gaming was redoing stuff and down yesterday |
| 15:53.52 | Ktron | and worldofwar.net seems to be down today |
| 15:53.52 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, I hate the comparisons are much as you do, but you have to applaud their photoshop skills :) |
| 15:53.57 | Wobin_ | Miravlix: That's a healthy attitude =P |
| 15:54.53 | Ktron | Personally, I hope that Draenei end up looking/acting like Predator-- large, sci-fi, great at killing things, and slightly jamaican looking |
| 15:55.00 | Miravlix | The general forum has had a collective brain turmor lately |
| 15:55.25 | Ktron | If the Draenei are a sci-fi race to shift WoW from fantasy to sci-fi fantasy, I will not complain :) |
| 15:55.47 | Miravlix | WoW was never a fantasy game |
| 15:55.52 | Miravlix | it's an alternative reality game |
| 15:55.56 | Tain | You have an odd definition of fantasy. |
| 15:56.29 | Ktron | ahh, the definitions are loose enough that there's margin for interpretation |
| 15:56.36 | Wobin_ | Ktron: The only jamaican thing was the dreds =P |
| 15:56.50 | Ktron | The point, there's nothing more advanced in WoW right now than gyrocopters |
| 15:57.13 | Tain | I'm waiting for my epic light-saber crystal drop. |
| 15:57.18 | Ktron | if after the addition of this race, there's laser guns and lightsabers and flux capacitors, I'll be happy:) |
| 15:57.18 | Miravlix | Zepelins is a pretty recent invention of our own world |
| 15:58.01 | Ktron | ~lart miravlix |
| 15:58.20 | Tem | if by "recent" you mean 100 years ago |
| 15:58.36 | Tain | More than that, Tem. 1700s |
| 15:58.40 | Tem | oh really? |
| 15:58.51 | Wobin_ | Oh the humanity =P |
| 15:59.02 | Tem | so yeah, I don't call that recent at all |
| 15:59.05 | Tain | Yeah, although there's unconfirmed reports of going bck much further. |
| 15:59.17 | Miravlix | There 8 chars has done the Orphan quest and increased by server fortune by 40 gold |
| 15:59.34 | Miravlix | Thats how desperate I am to make cash. |
| 15:59.37 | Tain | What a Curmudgeon. |
| 15:59.38 | Ktron | lol |
| 15:59.52 | Ktron | here's the way you do it |
| 16:00.14 | Tain | If you had a mage teleporting you around I could see it, otherwise... no thanks. |
| 16:00.25 | Ktron | WTB port 50s! |
| 16:00.29 | Ktron | and you end up with 4.5g |
| 16:00.30 | Ktron | mail it |
| 16:00.32 | Kirkburn | <Ktron> The point, there's nothing more advanced in WoW right now than gyrocopters <--- uh, what? |
| 16:00.47 | Kirkburn | Ever taken up engineering? |
| 16:00.52 | Kirkburn | What about ray guns? |
| 16:00.54 | Tain | Unfortunatly there were no mages around when I was doing it. New server. |
| 16:00.57 | Kirkburn | Mind control caps? |
| 16:01.10 | Kirkburn | Gnomereagan |
| 16:01.17 | Tain | Mechanical yeti! |
| 16:01.18 | Ktron | Kirkburn, I think that kind of engineering is more magic than science |
| 16:01.21 | Miravlix | One was a mage. but the other 7 3 had mounts, the rest had to run, one didn't even have Menethil harbor flightpath |
| 16:01.46 | Tain | Oh you're doing all that for 5 gold with characters that are that high level? |
| 16:02.39 | Kirkburn | Gnomes have tech that's partly ahead of us, and partly from about World War II, you can't say it's all magic |
| 16:02.52 | Miravlix | 40 gold is a lot of money in my world |
| 16:03.03 | Miravlix | It would take me months to make |
| 16:03.10 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 16:03.26 | Tain | To each his own. |
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| 16:04.29 | Miravlix | It's pretty expensive playing non level 60 chars, you have to pay for skills if you play them... so this was a huge increase of money without any cost. |
| 16:04.47 | Tain | Time is money. :) |
| 16:05.14 | Miravlix | Only if you could use that time to make more cash |
| 16:05.58 | Tain | Well, that's sort of the thing. You could. I mean I can see if people don't want to spend the time making money, but it's really not that difficult to make money in the game if you want to. |
| 16:06.31 | Miravlix | I'm not actively trying not to make money, but I sure ain't making much of a profit. |
| 16:06.42 | [MoonWolf] | there is money everywhere in the game |
| 16:06.47 | [MoonWolf] | and i dont mean grinding. |
| 16:06.50 | Tain | Let me avoid broad generalizations. I have never had any trouble making money in the game with any character I have played of any class or race, Horde or Alliance. |
| 16:07.03 | Miravlix | Year old level 60 char, has 40 gold |
| 16:07.10 | Tain | So I'll stick to my egocentric view. :) |
| 16:07.19 | Miravlix | No other alts sucking up the cash. |
| 16:07.33 | Tain | And that's not counting the days where I was making 100g or so a day on the AH, I don't count that since it was just crazy. |
| 16:07.46 | Corrodias | i never had a large amount, and that was even including some good sales on the AH |
| 16:08.27 | Cairenn | my level 54 has 3g |
| 16:08.31 | Corrodias | but now i'm goign to have a nap. [away] |
| 16:08.31 | Tain | I'm not saying money just falls into your lap, but if you want to you can go out and make it. There's noting wrong with being poor if you're having fun playing through things. |
| 16:08.34 | Miravlix | I just don't have a talent for money making for some reasons. I know most of the rules, but they just doesn't work out in my favor. |
| 16:08.36 | [MoonWolf] | fisrt time i saw the dreanei i hated the model, but the more i see it the more i like it. |
| 16:09.21 | Tain | Might be also because I had to go out and generate cash flow for when we were the first guild on our server doing MC, back when MC was new to everyone. Raid wipes constantly. |
| 16:09.46 | Miravlix | Same in other games, I've had friends that could make millions, but me... I have less than nothing after 3 years of playing. |
| 16:11.15 | Cairenn | morning hyperChipmunk |
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| 16:43.32 | Tem | I'm bored |
| 16:46.54 | Cairenn | hi Bored, I'm Cairenn, pleased to meet you |
| 16:47.02 | Cairenn | and hi Kaelten, sorry, was on the phone |
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| 16:55.20 | Kirkburn | The Draenei dance ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtITjNvaBlc |
| 16:55.46 | Kirkburn | Tunak Tunak Tun ... |
| 16:56.21 | Kirkburn | And I'm not joking |
| 16:58.50 | Cairenn | w |
| 16:58.52 | Cairenn | t |
| 16:58.55 | Cairenn | h |
| 16:58.55 | Cairenn | ? |
| 16:58.59 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 16:59.50 | Kirkburn | Can't wait for the version with added music :) |
| 17:08.57 | Wobin_ | dear god |
| 17:09.06 | Wobin_ | It's... almost the highland fling at the beginning |
| 17:09.10 | Wobin_ | Then it turns into opera |
| 17:10.40 | Wobin_ | What these people need to learn at E3 is that the general public doesn't care about how they play in the newbie zone =P They just want to see the dances and emotes |
| 17:10.48 | Wobin_ | Especially since there are no new classes |
| 17:11.30 | Wobin_ | anyway |
| 17:11.31 | Wobin_ | night! |
| 17:11.47 | Kirkburn | Night! |
| 17:11.50 | [MoonWolf] | night |
| 17:12.04 | Iriel | I doubt the 'general public' really cares about the dances, the dancing folks are going to be the WoW players |
| 17:12.27 | Kirkburn | I do love how they chose Tunak Tunak Tun as the source ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5995556455415798282&q=tunak+tunak+tun |
| 17:12.28 | [MoonWolf] | the general public cares about jewelcrafting and netherdrakes |
| 17:12.32 | [MoonWolf] | and 20 slot bags |
| 17:13.14 | Tem | mmmm 20 slotters |
| 17:13.30 | [MoonWolf] | there was a 20 slot bag in a screenshot |
| 17:13.49 | Tain | 7 minute preview of X-Men: The Last Stand on Fox tonight. |
| 17:14.01 | [MoonWolf] | to bad we dont get fox here. |
| 17:15.44 | Iriel | I found myself wishing that XBox live had a 'download all in this category' link |
| 17:15.56 | Iriel | Tons of E3 previews on there |
| 17:16.04 | Iriel | Fable 2, Halo 3, etc |
| 17:16.06 | __newindex | Behold! I take away your "mess with my table" powers |
| 17:17.37 | Cairenn | man, you really *are* bored, aren't you? |
| 17:17.43 | __metatable | good, then people can't get past me |
| 17:17.51 | __metatable | I'm at work on an 8 hour shift |
| 17:17.55 | Tain | There's a new Rocky Balboa movie trailer out if you're that bored. |
| 17:17.58 | __metatable | it's an exam day |
| 17:18.06 | __metatable | no one is using their computers |
| 17:18.14 | __metatable | so.. there is *nothing* to do |
| 17:18.21 | Iriel | __metatable : Work on your frame simulation code |
| 17:18.33 | __metatable | meh |
| 17:18.43 | __metatable | it's purpose was to allow me to work on dynamic frames before they were out |
| 17:18.53 | Iriel | Bah |
| 17:19.00 | __metatable | hmm |
| 17:19.03 | __metatable | I should play with java |
| 17:19.12 | __metatable | oh I know |
| 17:19.25 | __metatable | I'll change my postfix calculator to pretty print |
| 17:19.36 | [MoonWolf] | he really is bored |
| 17:20.44 | Tem | The closest thing we got to a support call we've recieved today has been a "can you transfer me to facility services?" call |
| 17:20.58 | Tem | rest have been hangups |
| 17:21.05 | Tem | (all 2 of them ><) |
| 17:21.12 | [MoonWolf] | i want your work |
| 17:21.21 | Tem | it used to be awesome |
| 17:21.34 | Tem | but now theres this OCD guy that annoys the poop out of me |
| 17:22.24 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 17:22.35 | Kirkburn | What does he do? |
| 17:22.52 | Tem | he makes work for everyone |
| 17:23.01 | Tem | and he keeps repeating the same stuff over and over and over |
| 17:23.15 | Kirkburn | Well yes, that's is one of the symptoms ... |
| 17:23.15 | Tem | (unneccesary work) |
| 17:24.25 | Tem | plus he just doesn't know much and I don't know why he's working here |
| 17:24.42 | [MoonWolf] | to learn ? |
| 17:25.42 | Tem | well, there is a part of our job that's ye olde phone support |
| 17:25.48 | Tem | which requires knowledge |
| 17:25.59 | [MoonWolf] | true |
| 17:26.27 | [MoonWolf] | tell me isp that though |
| 17:26.38 | [MoonWolf] | my |
| 17:26.47 | Tem | hah |
| 17:27.24 | Kirkburn | It's unfortunate, but OCD will always present problems whatever job they have |
| 17:27.34 | Tem | yeah |
| 17:27.44 | [MoonWolf] | what does OCD stand for ? |
| 17:27.49 | Tem | I feel bad for getting annoyed, but I'm now annoyed at him *and* myself |
| 17:28.23 | Cairenn | Obsessive Compulsive Disorder |
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| 17:28.28 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 17:28.29 | Tem | (ugh!! here he goes on the warrantee parts again! I swear he's given us this same lecture every day for the last 2 weeks!) |
| 17:28.35 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, thats a recepy for trouble. |
| 17:28.53 | [MoonWolf] | not that he is to blame on that part though. |
| 17:29.12 | Tem | Right, it's not really his fault |
| 17:29.17 | Tem | it's just irritating |
| 17:29.40 | Cairenn | if he truly has OCD, then I feel bad for him, but ugh, I can sympathize with you |
| 17:30.00 | Tem | he's real messed up mentally |
| 17:30.05 | Tem | OCD, dyslexia |
| 17:30.32 | Tem | and some sort of learning disability |
| 17:30.35 | Tain | That's a recipe for management. |
| 17:30.49 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:30.54 | Kirkburn | I remember the Scrubs episodes with Michael J Fox, where he was a doctor with OCD, excellent episodes. Although he doesn't have it himself, he has Parkinson's disease, it was a very strong episode |
| 17:31.28 | [MoonWolf] | any specifics or yust in general tem ? |
| 17:31.51 | Tem | specifics on what? |
| 17:31.57 | [MoonWolf] | the OCD |
| 17:32.15 | Tem | he gets real stressed out if he doesn't know *everything* |
| 17:32.29 | Tem | like he knows down to the day when all of our computers will go out of warranty |
| 17:32.37 | [MoonWolf] | oooh, great combination for a learning disablity |
| 17:32.53 | Tem | and he has memorized the subnets for every building |
| 17:32.57 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
| 17:33.00 | [MoonWolf] | usefull |
| 17:33.04 | Tem | which he then expects the rest of us to know |
| 17:33.09 | [MoonWolf] | no more peering at documentaion |
| 17:33.12 | [MoonWolf] | you ask him. |
| 17:33.21 | Tem | you would think |
| 17:33.33 | Tem | but that gets a "you should know that" comment |
| 17:34.00 | Tem | other than that, though, he's painfully nice |
| 17:34.12 | Tem | like crazy, crazy nice |
| 17:34.14 | Tain | Well I know I knew the subnets for different buildings. |
| 17:34.27 | Tem | we have over 2000 machines |
| 17:34.45 | Tain | I'm just saying, I knew and if I didn't know it woul dhave made support go a lot slower. |
| 17:34.45 | [MoonWolf] | im terrible in remebering stuff like that, i still cannot remember my own cell number. |
| 17:34.58 | Tem | theres never more than 40-80 machines in a subnet |
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| 17:35.27 | [MoonWolf] | regular subnets or sub subnets ? |
| 17:35.33 | Tem | sub subnets |
| 17:35.36 | Tem | it's a mess |
| 17:35.40 | Tem | we're moving to dhcp next week |
| 17:35.43 | [MoonWolf] | or vlsm in hard words. |
| 17:35.55 | Tem | deploying a new image as soon as classes are out |
| 17:36.04 | [MoonWolf] | fun fun |
| 17:36.26 | Tem | well, more fun than sitting here bored out of my skull |
| 17:36.29 | [MoonWolf] | ghost images ? |
| 17:36.32 | Tem | aye |
| 17:37.02 | [MoonWolf] | we are moving to unmanaged installs here |
| 17:37.07 | [MoonWolf] | and away from imaging. |
| 17:37.13 | Tain | Oooh Super Smash Brothers will get me to buy the Wii, if nothing else. |
| 17:37.31 | Tem | unmanaged installs? |
| 17:37.33 | Tem | like pcupdate? |
| 17:37.58 | Tem | basically like a big diff file for the entire machine? |
| 17:38.05 | Tain | Scripted response type installs? |
| 17:38.12 | [MoonWolf] | you pop an install cd in the pc, its install windows, you log in as a certain user and then all the software the user needs is installed. |
| 17:38.24 | Kirkburn | Sounds like a Dell |
| 17:38.25 | Tem | ah |
| 17:38.57 | Tem | thing that's nice about ghost is you have the multicast power |
| 17:38.59 | [MoonWolf] | not really, i work in a school, for ghosts imaging we need 50 different images for 200 pc's |
| 17:39.04 | [MoonWolf] | nothing here is standard. |
| 17:39.12 | Kirkburn | Sorry, mistake, a dell is more... "then all the software the user needs is installed plus thousands of other crappy programs which only serve to mess up everything" |
| 17:39.28 | Tem | ah, we only have about 4-5 different models |
| 17:39.30 | Tain | You have the option of a lighter install at Dell now. |
| 17:39.34 | Tem | and they are all together |
| 17:39.36 | [MoonWolf] | cool |
| 17:39.37 | Tain | They won't install all that crap. |
| 17:39.40 | Kirkburn | Tain, only on the most expensive model |
| 17:39.48 | [MoonWolf] | this yust works better in our situation. |
| 17:39.51 | Kirkburn | You actually PAY them to not put crap on your PC |
| 17:39.52 | Tain | You can request it if you order on the phone. |
| 17:39.54 | Tem | right |
| 17:39.59 | Kirkburn | Tain, ah that's good |
| 17:40.13 | Tain | One of the good things about my last job was I was in charge of the XP upgrade. I standardized everything. |
| 17:40.21 | Tem | good job |
| 17:40.22 | [MoonWolf] | you need an expansive pc to get less software on it ? |
| 17:40.37 | Kirkburn | Online only the most expensive Dell has the option turned off, the second most expensive has the option, but turned on, and all other don't have it. |
| 17:40.39 | Tain | No users got admin rights except for developers. |
| 17:41.00 | Kirkburn | [MoonWolf], so effectively, yeah |
| 17:41.26 | [MoonWolf] | sounds backwards to me. |
| 17:41.34 | Tem | I have admin access :) |
| 17:41.36 | Tain | Part of the reason is that those companies pay Dell to put their software on. |
| 17:41.42 | Tain | So you pay slightly less because of that. |
| 17:41.43 | Kirkburn | What Tain said |
| 17:41.54 | [MoonWolf] | makes sense |
| 17:41.57 | Tem | it's crazy fun to remote into the lectern machine in your class to mess with people |
| 17:42.05 | [MoonWolf] | i have admin access to everywhere and im on an intern. |
| 17:42.19 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.33 | Tem | wow |
| 17:42.35 | Tain | When I first started there it was a Windows NT 4.0 domain, and every single user was a Domain Admin. |
| 17:42.35 | Tem | I can't do that |
| 17:42.38 | Tain | 1200 users. |
| 17:42.40 | Tem | a;ksljdfh;aksdhf;akshdf! |
| 17:42.46 | Tem | You can't fucking sing |
| 17:42.50 | Tem | shut the hell up |
| 17:42.58 | Tem | sorry |
| 17:43.03 | Tem | OCD guy |
| 17:43.06 | Kirkburn | lol, that was bad timing, I just started singing Tunak Tunak Tun |
| 17:43.10 | [MoonWolf] | its quite simple, we are a 600 students school |
| 17:43.15 | Tem | Kirkburn: lol |
| 17:43.18 | [MoonWolf] | i am in charge of the backups... |
| 17:43.19 | Kirkburn | For 2 seconds I wondered if you could hear me ... |
| 17:43.24 | [MoonWolf] | i have all the passwords |
| 17:43.37 | [MoonWolf] | i have a key to every damn office and classroom. |
| 17:43.51 | Tem | ah, we're 33000 students on this campus |
| 17:44.07 | Tem | about 64000 including satellite campuses |
| 17:44.09 | [MoonWolf] | dutch schools tend to be slightly smaller. |
| 17:44.16 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:44.36 | [MoonWolf] | this is what you would call a highschool i guess |
| 17:44.56 | Kirkburn | I had this image of 1000 pupils in a highschool class |
| 17:45.12 | [MoonWolf] | ages 12/13 to 16/17 |
| 17:47.12 | [MoonWolf] | ill tell you , working in a school gives you a totally different image of how they work. |
| 17:51.10 | Tem | I used to work for the school board in my home town |
| 17:51.32 | [MoonWolf] | bad idea |
| 17:52.18 | [MoonWolf] | teachers do NOT know how to have a proper meeting. |
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| 17:52.50 | Maldivia | Tem ? |
| 17:52.58 | Tem | yeah? |
| 17:53.15 | Tem | what'd I do? |
| 17:53.21 | Maldivia | Seen the new mage changes (more yesterday) |
| 17:53.26 | Tem | yeah |
| 17:53.29 | Tem | badass |
| 17:53.32 | Maldivia | ohh yeah! |
| 17:53.36 | Maldivia | I'm cheering right now |
| 17:53.38 | [MoonWolf] | what is happening ? |
| 17:53.52 | Tem | they changed the threat reduction |
| 17:53.59 | Tem | the buffed frost more |
| 17:54.05 | Tem | s/the/they/ |
| 17:54.05 | Maldivia | Elemental Focus, tier 1 frost: Increases chance to hit with Fire and Frost spells by 2/4/6% |
| 17:54.27 | [MoonWolf] | wait, frost doesnt need more buffs |
| 17:54.27 | Tem | that's such a godly talent |
| 17:54.32 | [MoonWolf] | cant they buff like, arcane. |
| 17:54.44 | Tem | arcane is so... flabby |
| 17:55.05 | Tem | my resist rate on my frostbolts is like 10% |
| 17:55.23 | Tem | with that talent that's like less than half the resists |
| 17:55.26 | [MoonWolf] | that is going to go up |
| 17:55.27 | [MoonWolf] | with naxx |
| 17:55.42 | Tem | I will proabably never do naxx |
| 17:55.52 | Tem | we just killed broodlord |
| 17:55.58 | Maldivia | these last change really touches some of the concerns, mages had before the revamp |
| 17:55.58 | [MoonWolf] | but more frost res will be in the game. |
| 17:56.02 | Kirkburn | Twin Emps level is the easiest boss |
| 17:56.30 | Tem | Maldivia: now they just need to dump wand spec and arcane resilience |
| 17:56.48 | Kirkburn | I just noticed Mannoroth is in the background of one of the new screenshots |
| 17:56.48 | Tem | yeah, so ice barrier is omggolly now |
| 17:56.52 | Codayus | at least wand spec is better |
| 17:56.58 | Tem | (OCD guy singing again) |
| 17:57.16 | [MoonWolf] | pimp slap him |
| 17:58.43 | Kirkburn | Oh and Zul'Aman will be a lvl 70 raid zone |
| 17:58.47 | Tem | Codayus: it's still poitnless |
| 17:59.01 | Tem | they need to take it out of the priest trees too |
| 17:59.17 | [MoonWolf] | what about they make it usefull |
| 17:59.25 | [MoonWolf] | make it 5 times as powerfull |
| 17:59.40 | Codayus | Tem: yeah |
| 17:59.43 | Tem | the reason to have a wand is to get mana from judgement of wisdom |
| 17:59.59 | Tem | (and to be lazy on an onyxia raid) |
| 18:00.02 | Codayus | but at least it wastes fewer ppoints to geet it now |
| 18:00.14 | [MoonWolf] | but nobody will take it. |
| 18:00.17 | Tem | I still refuse to put points in it |
| 18:01.03 | Codayus | honestly...make the talent allow +dmg gear to apply...or give it a tiny chance of regenning some mana (like a built in BoWisdom) |
| 18:01.09 | Codayus | er...judgemnt of wisdom even |
| 18:01.19 | Codayus | preferably the latter. :-) |
| 18:02.39 | Tem | ugh |
| 18:02.44 | Tem | when will they learn |
| 18:02.50 | Tem | resist-based instances suck |
| 18:03.32 | [MoonWolf] | how about the final buss |
| 18:03.34 | [MoonWolf] | boss* |
| 18:03.42 | [MoonWolf] | he is a lich, and liches do do frost magic. |
| 18:03.53 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.04 | Tem | I don't intend to respec to fire |
| 18:04.12 | Tem | I don't want to respec to fire |
| 18:05.18 | [MoonWolf] | spec arcane |
| 18:05.26 | Tem | I laugh in your general direction |
| 18:05.27 | [MoonWolf] | if only blizzard made a decent arcane spell |
| 18:06.29 | Tem | I'm sort of an elitist when it comes to people who spec arcane power |
| 18:06.55 | Tem | It stems from my opinion that AP is overpowered and should have been removed in 1.11 |
| 18:07.07 | Tem | so I typically look down on those that rely on it |
| 18:07.31 | [MoonWolf] | but you have to spec in the otherwise least usefull tree to get it. |
| 18:07.53 | Tem | I dun care |
| 18:08.00 | Tem | AP mages got my trinkets nerfed |
| 18:08.32 | [MoonWolf] | like they did not need a nerf |
| 18:08.53 | Tem | (actually the whining un-informed masses got my trinkets nerfed in response to the one in a hundred AP PoM Pyro crit) |
| 18:09.02 | [MoonWolf] | are you sure it wasnt whining about warlock 6k hits that got them nerfed. |
| 18:09.15 | Tem | that's not possible on another player |
| 18:09.28 | Maldivia | Tem: yeah, although they lowered wand to only 2 points :) |
| 18:09.36 | Tem | still useless |
| 18:09.48 | [MoonWolf] | but its less less useless |
| 18:09.51 | Maldivia | but resilience is still a "put one point here to up your point spent in Arcane by one" |
| 18:10.01 | Tem | yeah |
| 18:10.07 | Tem | I got a good chuckle out of that thread |
| 18:10.27 | Maldivia | time to get some some dinner :) |
| 18:10.27 | Tem | "Blizzard: Change the text of Arcane Resilience to be more clear" |
| 18:10.45 | Tem | "Adds +1 to your arcane mastery total" |
| 18:10.50 | [MoonWolf] | so if instant arcane explosion is seen as a core mage ability, when will they make corruption instant by default.... |
| 18:11.34 | Tem | Warlocks can suck it up and take their issues |
| 18:11.39 | Tem | until they are balanced |
| 18:11.49 | Tem | when that day arrives they can complain |
| 18:12.20 | [MoonWolf] | i dont see this warlock overpworedness.... |
| 18:12.33 | Tem | death coil |
| 18:12.50 | [MoonWolf] | ill gladly sacrifice death coil for a decent escape ablilty |
| 18:12.53 | Tem | soul link is another that gets a lot of hate but it's a deep talent |
| 18:12.57 | [MoonWolf] | we asked for escape, we got attack |
| 18:13.20 | Tem | you got god mode vs other casters |
| 18:13.37 | Tem | which is completely bogus as far as lore goes, but that's beside the point |
| 18:13.52 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 18:14.27 | Tain | The longer WoW is out, the less lore will be applied. |
| 18:14.41 | Tem | I think I mentioned this yesterday, but it's keeps coming to mind: |
| 18:14.48 | Tain | Or more to the point, the more lore will be adjusted. |
| 18:15.22 | [MoonWolf] | At a certain point lore will have to bend for game balance. |
| 18:15.32 | [MoonWolf] | although i still dont agree to what they did with death coil |
| 18:15.39 | Tem | It seems odd to me that Mages, the "Masters of the Arcane," are completely destroyed by all other magic users (with the exception of paladins) |
| 18:16.02 | [MoonWolf] | mages cant win from priests ?: |
| 18:16.06 | Tem | haha |
| 18:16.08 | Tain | heh |
| 18:16.25 | [MoonWolf] | ill take taht as a no |
| 18:16.31 | Tem | the mage vs priest duel *used* to come down to properly timing the counterspell |
| 18:16.49 | Tem | now it comes down the sheep holding long enough for you to finish casting Teleport: Stormwind |
| 18:17.38 | [MoonWolf] | we will see what this patch does then. |
| 18:17.54 | Tem | the only thing that would help us vs priests is the change to ice barrier |
| 18:18.01 | Tem | but since it's still dispellable... |
| 18:18.39 | Tem | that's one thing I'm pretty disappointed about |
| 18:18.56 | Tem | a 31 point talent is completely negated by a 200 mana spell |
| 18:19.03 | [MoonWolf] | heh |
| 18:19.09 | [MoonWolf] | feel the paint of the old soul link warlock |
| 18:19.13 | [MoonWolf] | pain* |
| 18:19.23 | Tain | haha: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35034351666@N01/144275785/ |
| 18:19.28 | Tem | sorry, no sympathy considering the current status of soul link |
| 18:19.56 | [MoonWolf] | soul link got fixed to a decent thing and now suddenly its overpowered ? |
| 18:20.11 | Tem | I'm bitter |
| 18:20.14 | [MoonWolf] | you can still dispell it of the pet. |
| 18:20.31 | Tem | don't take my conceptions of overpoweredness too much to heart |
| 18:20.46 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 18:20.47 | Tem | it's the I'm paper, rock is fine, nerf scissors thing |
| 18:21.21 | [MoonWolf] | i agree with you on the point that warlocks are not like they should be, death coil should be brought back to the old way, although the 2 min cooldown is fine. |
| 18:21.35 | [MoonWolf] | and decent escape spell should be added. |
| 18:21.42 | [MoonWolf] | make it original. |
| 18:21.51 | [MoonWolf] | and then our bugs should get fixed. |
| 18:21.54 | Cide | seduce! |
| 18:22.02 | [MoonWolf] | and our last two pets need to be a lot better |
| 18:22.05 | Tem | wtb a cc that doesn't heal my target |
| 18:22.11 | Tem | (a la seduce) |
| 18:22.26 | [MoonWolf] | i dont use it anyway |
| 18:23.05 | [MoonWolf] | mage killing extravaganza |
| 18:23.28 | [MoonWolf] | \i sually hate mages that think its overpowred for me to kill them |
| 18:23.33 | [MoonWolf] | im specced for it damnit. |
| 18:23.35 | _G | for k in pairs(self) do rawset(self,k,nil) end |
| 18:24.01 | [MoonWolf] | isnt that like suicide ? |
| 18:24.12 | Tem | more like rebirth |
| 18:24.21 | Tem | or infanticide |
| 18:24.33 | [MoonWolf] | anyway |
| 18:24.34 | Cide | self = nil would probably be sufficient for suicide :) |
| 18:24.38 | Tem | nah |
| 18:24.43 | JoshBorke | anyone know what the name of the Pet bar is off the top of their head? |
| 18:24.46 | [MoonWolf] | i would also like my first wave of hellfire to do actual damage, or not create agro |
| 18:24.48 | Tem | would just be nilling your reference |
| 18:24.50 | Tain | Virtual Reality room, looks good for WoW! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060510092605.htm |
| 18:24.53 | [MoonWolf] | preferably the first. |
| 18:25.02 | Cide | well, that is pretty much the same, Tem :) |
| 18:25.05 | Cide | your memory lives on! |
| 18:25.15 | Tem | heh |
| 18:25.18 | JoshBorke | i seem to have lost my pet bar :-( |
| 18:25.19 | Cide | I did not realize how fitting that was before I typed it out |
| 18:25.37 | Tem | JoshBorke: |
| 18:25.40 | Tem | ShapeshiftBarFrame |
| 18:26.06 | [MoonWolf] | pet bar not classbar. |
| 18:26.14 | Tem | (I'm assuming it uses the same bar that rogues, druids, warriors, ect use) |
| 18:26.28 | [MoonWolf] | pet bar is very seperate bar |
| 18:26.31 | [MoonWolf] | and rogues dont have one. |
| 18:26.57 | Tem | my thinking was that since they wouldn't really ever need to exist at the same time, they were being reused |
| 18:26.58 | [MoonWolf] | oh wait |
| 18:26.59 | [MoonWolf] | we do |
| 18:27.21 | Tem | (unless you're an engineer) |
| 18:27.22 | [MoonWolf] | but i hide it and put stealth in a normal button. |
| 18:27.31 | Tem | right, me too |
| 18:27.34 | [MoonWolf] | no, seperate bar. |
| 18:28.21 | Tem | I wish a lot of parts of the UI were LoD addons |
| 18:28.33 | Tem | the MainMenuBar is a good example |
| 18:28.40 | [MoonWolf] | oh yeah |
| 18:28.49 | [MoonWolf] | or the bag bar |
| 18:28.50 | Tem | PlayerFrame, TargetFrame, and PartyFrame too |
| 18:28.55 | Tem | yeah |
| 18:29.02 | Tem | stuff that is most commonly replaced |
| 18:29.25 | Iriel | Tem: You dont need the rawset |
| 18:29.49 | Iriel | Tem: In your earlier loop, if it comes back from pairs then it's metatable immune |
| 18:30.18 | Tem | ah, good point |
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| 18:31.48 | Kirkburn | You know what I just realised ... you will be able to buy an Xbox AND a Wii for the price of a PS3 ... I know what I'd choose ... |
| 18:31.53 | [MoonWolf] | bag frames |
| 18:32.03 | Tem | we mentioned that already |
| 18:32.03 | [MoonWolf] | character and talent frames |
| 18:32.09 | Kirkburn | Everything ever! |
| 18:32.11 | Tem | unless you were talking about something else |
| 18:32.17 | Tem | Talent *is* lod |
| 18:32.24 | [MoonWolf] | yeah the bag BAR and the bar frames. |
| 18:32.28 | Tem | ah |
| 18:32.32 | Tem | I misunderstood earlier |
| 18:32.35 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 18:32.56 | Tem | PaperdollFrame would probably be a good candidate as well |
| 18:32.58 | [MoonWolf] | are the tradeskills lod ? |
| 18:32.59 | Tain | I'll choose to buy whichever ones have the games I want to play. |
| 18:33.03 | Tem | [MoonWolf]: yes |
| 18:33.08 | [MoonWolf] | trainer pane ? |
| 18:33.13 | Kirkburn | Why isn't everything LoD? |
| 18:33.16 | Tem | uses the CraftFrame |
| 18:33.17 | Tain | I spent twice as much for a PSP as the DS costs. |
| 18:33.21 | Tem | (which is LoD) |
| 18:33.24 | Kirkburn | or at least, why can't everything be LoD |
| 18:33.24 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
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| 18:33.37 | [MoonWolf] | world map |
| 18:33.42 | Tem | ah, good one |
| 18:34.04 | [MoonWolf] | even if you dont replace it, i can go sessions without ever opening it. |
| 18:34.08 | Tem | right |
| 18:34.57 | Tem | You would load the unitframes at VarsLoaded or PEW to give addons time to hook the loading function |
| 18:35.37 | Tem | hmm, actually might want to delay it a bit more |
| 18:36.02 | Tem | what's an event that is guaranteed to fire every login/reload that will always fire after both vars loaded and PEW? |
| 18:36.44 | [MoonWolf] | eeeuh |
| 18:36.56 | [MoonWolf] | bag updates ? |
| 18:36.57 | Tem | I wanna say PLAYER_ALIVE always fires |
| 18:37.10 | Tem | and I think PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED always fires |
| 18:37.20 | [MoonWolf] | not if you spawn dead and without auras... i think. |
| 18:37.36 | Tem | oh, you're right |
| 18:38.02 | [MoonWolf] | hmm, how about a health change ? |
| 18:38.04 | Tem | I used PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED to prevent FinderReminder from giving a "turn on a tracking skill you noob" message on login when you're dead |
| 18:38.18 | Tem | I don't think you get health update events on login |
| 18:38.21 | Tem | dead or alive |
| 18:38.42 | Tem | rogues get energy updates |
| 18:38.50 | Tem | but casters and warriors don't |
| 18:39.17 | [MoonWolf] | hook onupdate untill your done ? |
| 18:39.43 | Tem | that could work |
| 18:39.44 | Cide | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM ? |
| 18:39.55 | [MoonWolf] | good point |
| 18:39.59 | Tem | since really it'd just need to delay the one update |
| 18:40.04 | [MoonWolf] | you always get the welcome to WoW ones. |
| 18:40.05 | Tem | are you guaranteed to get one? |
| 18:40.08 | Cide | yep |
| 18:40.17 | Tem | are you **sure**? |
| 18:40.26 | Cide | I haven't ever NOT seen a welcome message |
| 18:40.32 | [MoonWolf] | 90% unless those are not from the server.... |
| 18:40.34 | Tem | Neither have I |
| 18:40.41 | Tem | but I haven't really been looking |
| 18:40.47 | [MoonWolf] | they are there. |
| 18:41.12 | Cide | that might fire before PEW? not sure |
| 18:41.23 | Tem | I'd need to test |
| 18:41.32 | Tem | anyone have access to wow atm? |
| 18:41.34 | Cide | seeing as a bunch of addons fire their loading messages on PEW, and those messages always end up at top in the chatbox |
| 18:41.48 | [MoonWolf] | true |
| 18:41.52 | [MoonWolf] | so not the chat messages. |
| 18:41.53 | Tem | I hate those damned load messages |
| 18:41.54 | Cide | those being the welcome messages, sorry |
| 18:42.13 | Cide | aye Tem |
| 18:42.19 | Tem | well it might be an action that's done in response to PEW |
| 18:42.24 | Tem | and the system would have first go at it |
| 18:42.28 | [MoonWolf] | stopthespam |
| 18:42.29 | [MoonWolf] | its great. |
| 18:42.33 | Tem | indeed |
| 18:42.42 | Cide | didn't fix all my issues |
| 18:42.48 | Cide | I had two or three addons that still spammed me |
| 18:43.04 | Cide | had to unslack and edit those manually, hehe |
| 18:43.41 | [MoonWolf] | i think the onupdate is the best route |
| 18:45.45 | Tem | Iriel: you around? |
| 18:48.59 | Maldivia | Tem: btw, noticed they upped the damage bonus from scorch build, from 2% to 3%, meaning it now +15%, with 5 stacked? |
| 18:49.06 | Tem | yeah |
| 18:49.07 | Kirkburn | A history of dancing! Very good ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg&eurl=http://www.kottke.org |
| 18:49.26 | Tem | made me sort of think imp scortch was less useless |
| 18:49.53 | krka | i desperately want a departure timer mod now |
| 18:49.54 | Tem | I probably still won't spec into it, but it's a good change for people that do use it |
| 18:50.56 | Maldivia | well, for AQ and probably Naxx aswell, where fire builds are actually usefull, a single person with a scorch build can up the mage dps by 15%... that's quite good... |
| 18:51.38 | [MoonWolf] | that is really worth it. |
| 18:51.51 | Codayus | yeah |
| 18:52.02 | Codayus | raids take a shadowpriest just to up warlock dps after all... |
| 18:52.05 | [MoonWolf] | yust like one rogue with a hemo build can give everybody a +7 damage |
| 18:52.11 | Codayus | vulnerabilities = fun |
| 18:52.27 | Maldivia | 15% from scorch, 10% from CoS... it all adds up... |
| 18:52.45 | Codayus | Winters Chill... |
| 18:53.06 | [MoonWolf] | its even more fun with a shadwopriest and a warlock working together. |
| 18:53.10 | Maldivia | yeah, that aswell |
| 18:53.23 | [MoonWolf] | the shadow bonus they can get acumulate. |
| 18:57.44 | neko | scorch is the win |
| 18:58.30 | neko | crit-streaks are hilarious |
| 18:58.34 | neko | ignite stacks around 4 |
| 18:58.44 | neko | and maybe a 5th with a fireblast |
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| 19:02.07 | Maldivia | ignite stacks up to 5 times |
| 19:04.39 | neko | I know :P |
| 19:04.43 | neko | it's hard to get higher :P |
| 19:05.56 | Maldivia | depends how many mages you have :) |
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| 19:07.03 | neko | yeah, I obviously mean by yourself... |
| 19:07.15 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 19:09.20 | Kirkburn | One man can only burn another so much, apparently :) |
| 19:09.46 | Kirkburn | I bet their spells are all petrol based, too |
| 19:09.54 | Kirkburn | (heck, we had oil in WarII) |
| 19:10.17 | Kirkburn | Wait! Idea! New class ... pyromaniac :D |
| 19:10.32 | Cairenn | mmm, fire |
| 19:10.46 | Cairenn | fire and shiny knives |
| 19:11.21 | Kirkburn | uuhhh, errr, .... |
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| 19:16.42 | Kirkburn | Wunderbar, porn is being posted on the general forums, and the mods are away |
| 19:17.12 | Codayus | ... |
| 19:17.25 | Codayus | hmmm, might raise the average quality of the discourse there... |
| 19:19.37 | Cairenn | blizz forums, not mine, correct? |
| 19:21.27 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 19:22.49 | Kalroth | hi! |
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| 19:24.33 | Tain | For porn! |
| 19:26.55 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, yeah official ones. Drokthul is back now :) |
| 19:27.11 | Kirkburn | (or whoever has next shift) |
| 19:27.35 | Cairenn | kk |
| 19:27.42 | ToastTheif | does Tekkub every come to this channel? |
| 19:27.58 | Cairenn | for one thing, if it's on my forums, I need to know so that I can see if the links are worth keeping ;) |
| 19:28.05 | Cairenn | ToastTheif: nope, #wowace |
| 19:29.03 | ToastTheif | kk |
| 19:29.17 | Cairenn | yup |
| 19:30.06 | Cairenn | and Tain? you did it wrong ... |
| 19:30.10 | Cairenn | ~for porn |
| 19:30.11 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
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| 19:34.35 | Cairenn | hey Bela :) |
| 19:37.06 | Kalroth | grrr, I hate the new window bug >< |
| 19:37.23 | Kalroth | keep losing two of my windows, even tried that addon thingy, no work |
| 19:37.40 | Cairenn | Kalroth: chat windows? |
| 19:37.44 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 19:38.02 | Kalroth | lost them 3 times today, just by zoning |
| 19:38.03 | Cairenn | yeah, that's annoying ... easiest is to just click simple chat then turn it off again and set stuff back up |
| 19:38.15 | Cairenn | but very annoying |
| 19:39.47 | Kalroth | hrmI wonder if there's an addon replacement for the chat windows |
| 19:42.51 | Beladona | hihi |
| 20:16.05 | KarlKFI | moo |
| 20:16.34 | Cairenn | hey KarlKFI |
| 20:22.45 | KarlKFI | hey cair |
| 20:30.00 | KarlKFI | is the world over yet? |
| 20:30.12 | Cairenn | not the last I saw, why? |
| 20:31.37 | Tem | what's all the world ending stuff about? |
| 20:32.00 | Tem | I've seen several people making the world ending comments todayh |
| 20:32.05 | Kirkburn | (how does one not know?!) |
| 20:32.11 | Cairenn | no idea, that's what I'm wondering |
| 20:32.17 | Tem | I've been in exams and at work all day? |
| 20:32.25 | KarlKFI | ya, midterm today |
| 20:32.40 | Tem | so, eeuh |
| 20:32.44 | Tem | fill me in |
| 20:33.26 | KarlKFI | nothing exciting, just another down day in the cycle of karl |
| 20:34.17 | KarlKFI | on the up side i think i got Arch working with Loc.. programming helps me take my mind off the emo |
| 20:36.08 | Tem | no no |
| 20:36.18 | Tem | what's with the references to the world ending today? |
| 20:36.29 | KarlKFI | oreo |
| 20:37.06 | KarlKFI | that's 'i dunno' with my mouth full, or your ears full |
| 20:39.05 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/712224 |
| 20:40.14 | KarlKFI | why ck? |
| 20:40.16 | Cairenn | for one thing, if it really is ending, then the references don't ultimately matter, do they? ;) |
| 20:40.36 | [MoonWolf] | dont spoil the fun |
| 20:40.39 | ckknight | does anything matter? |
| 20:40.41 | [MoonWolf] | so what IS up with them ? |
| 20:40.50 | sancus | It'd be pretty cool if the world was ending today. |
| 20:40.54 | sancus | I wouldn't have to make dinner. |
| 20:40.58 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 20:41.04 | Cairenn | true enough |
| 20:41.21 | ckknight | KarlKFI, why what? |
| 20:41.36 | KarlKFI | why the pastenin of lib funcs |
| 20:42.41 | ckknight | thats the fibonacci sequence in lua |
| 20:42.45 | ckknight | it's really fast, too |
| 20:42.53 | KarlKFI | so? |
| 20:42.59 | ckknight | so it's neat. |
| 20:43.03 | KarlKFI | k |
| 20:43.24 | ckknight | it uses matrix multiplication, thus not needing to find the original values to calculate it |
| 20:43.32 | KarlKFI | k |
| 20:43.47 | KarlKFI | not rly my area of happiness, sry |
| 20:43.55 | ckknight | so instead of =fib(1000) taking a hell of a long time, it does it near instantly |
| 20:43.59 | ckknight | without memoization |
| 20:45.03 | KarlKFI | algorythms never rly have been my thing... i like design better |
| 20:45.24 | KarlKFI | speling's not my thing either |
| 20:45.42 | ckknight | algorithms can be pretty neat, in my opinion |
| 20:45.51 | ckknight | but yes, I prefer design |
| 20:47.35 | Kirkburn | Odd, but made by microsoft ...... http://www.newsspreads.com/messenger/newsspreads/main.aspx |
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| 20:58.23 | Beladona | have fun, I must now go home |
| 20:58.46 | Cairenn | later Beladona |
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| 21:14.43 | Maldivia | ckknight: hmm, you don't know the "shortcut" to calculating fib? |
| 21:16.40 | krka | fibonacci sequence? |
| 21:16.58 | Maldivia | Fib(n) = (((Sqrt(5) + 1) / 2)^n - ((1 - Sqrt(5)) / 2)^n) / Sqrt(5) |
| 21:17.23 | Kalroth | http://www.iit.edu/~smile/ma8907.html - search for shortcut :) |
| 21:18.32 | krka | ah... that expression |
| 21:18.37 | krka | that generally sucks anyway :P |
| 21:19.15 | Maldivia | it's precise... so how does it suck ? :) |
| 21:20.02 | krka | evaluating sqrt is inprecise and slow :P |
| 21:20.16 | krka | also the power should be slow |
| 21:20.28 | krka | then again, for large n is should be faster than the iterative |
| 21:20.44 | Maldivia | well, you can store Sqrt(5) in a variable :) |
| 21:21.25 | krka | good point... it's mainly the power that's slow then |
| 21:21.36 | Maldivia | well, the n is always an integer, that simplifies the power |
| 21:22.32 | Kirkburn | For the Spore obsessives: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1486693319327275556&q=spore |
| 21:22.35 | Kirkburn | (20min video) |
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| 21:23.05 | krka | yeah, but what kind of precision do you need on your variable to make it accurate enough so that rounding at the end succeeds? |
| 21:25.58 | Kirkburn | Wow, the Spore creature editor is incredible |
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| 21:33.26 | krka | is this working? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6569775255738662205 |
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| 21:43.19 | Kirkburn | Our survey says, yes |
| 21:44.42 | sancus | "they're distinctly male but they're elves, there's just no getting away from that" |
| 21:44.44 | sancus | hahahaha |
| 21:44.44 | kremonte | anybody know the formula for tradeskills orange yellow green etc? |
| 21:45.03 | kremonte | like, what % :X |
| 21:45.24 | Kirkburn | High Elf Paladin :) http://mediaviewer.ign.com/mediaviewer.jsp?media_id=3598387&article_id=707846&channel_id=261&page_title=More+WoW+Shots+for+the+Addicts&adtag=network%3Dign%26size%3D468x60%26channel%3Dve3d%26site%3Dve3d_hub%26channel%3Dpreviews%26type%3Dpartner |
| 21:45.46 | Kirkburn | (ffs, why can't ign put more thought into their links) |
| 21:45.56 | kremonte | err, wha? |
| 21:46.03 | kremonte | arent BE horde? |
| 21:46.06 | sancus | yes its an npc |
| 21:46.10 | kremonte | oh |
| 21:46.20 | kremonte | bah, so nobody knows what %? |
| 21:46.21 | kremonte | >< |
| 21:48.01 | kremonte | well, can anybody at least why this is giving me an error? http://wow.pastebin.com/712403 |
| 21:51.30 | Kirkburn | High Elf! |
| 21:51.37 | kremonte | blood elf. :/ |
| 21:52.12 | Kirkburn | Look in the background |
| 21:52.40 | Kirkburn | (could be an alliance blood elf, but that wouldn't make much sense) |
| 21:52.46 | kremonte | NPC |
| 21:52.49 | kremonte | i know its in IF |
| 21:52.55 | kremonte | <kremonte> err, wha? |
| 21:52.56 | kremonte | <kremonte> arent BE horde? |
| 21:52.56 | kremonte | <sancus> yes its an npc |
| 21:53.10 | Kirkburn | I'm confused then |
| 21:53.19 | Kirkburn | Already in-game? |
| 21:53.37 | kremonte | in BC... |
| 21:53.48 | kremonte | there are neutral BE npcs tho |
| 21:53.52 | kremonte | and BE npcs hostile to both |
| 21:53.59 | Kirkburn | Sorry, I got confused - someone posted it was a HE :s |
| 21:54.32 | Kirkburn | More to the point, it's a paladin |
| 21:55.15 | Kirkburn | (the link name is "Finally, the Blood Elf in Judgement armor is an *NPC* in the Alliance Outland hold.") |
| 21:55.49 | Elkano | horde paladins? good joke ^^ (hopefully) |
| 21:56.47 | Kirkburn | Alliance as it says |
| 21:57.25 | Tem | if Blood elves could be pallies, then draenei would be shaman |
| 21:58.37 | Tem | the lore has a place for shaman draenei, but pally bloodelves are less likely |
| 21:59.00 | Tem | since pallies are dedicated to the light |
| 21:59.30 | Maldivia | hmm... the alpha/beta version of the expansion running on E3, does it have tier 8 and 9 talents ? |
| 21:59.41 | kremonte | hmm |
| 21:59.56 | kremonte | i'm oblivious as to why nobody here knows the formula for yellow/green/grey |
| 22:00.30 | Maldivia | can't remember |
| 22:00.32 | Tem | oh yay |
| 22:00.34 | Tem | time to go home |
| 22:00.47 | Cairenn | You know, though, that that is actually a fallacy, right? They aren't called the same thing, but there *are* those that the equivalent to paladins that fight on the side of "evil". After all, a Paladin is a warrior priest for [whichever] god. |
| 22:01.08 | Maldivia | inquisitors? |
| 22:01.21 | sancus | "the lore has a place"? |
| 22:01.23 | Maldivia | templar |
| 22:01.24 | sancus | haven't you been paying any attention? |
| 22:01.34 | sancus | the lore has a place for what the hell ever blizzard decides to implement |
| 22:01.38 | Cairenn | no, different term ... need my daughter down here, she'd remember the term for the "evil" equivalent |
| 22:01.44 | Cide- | sancus: obviously :) |
| 22:01.58 | Cide- | seeing as they invented it, pretty much |
| 22:02.14 | sancus | in D&D evil paladins are blackguards |
| 22:02.34 | krka | deathknight! |
| 22:02.40 | Tain | Bob! |
| 22:03.03 | sancus | but seeing as how the horde isn't evil and it has priests who follow "the light of creation"(generic wow god) the same way alliance ones do, there could easily be horde paladins |
| 22:03.15 | krka | in wow lore, deathknights are basically undead paladins |
| 22:03.17 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 22:03.20 | krka | example: arthas |
| 22:03.38 | Cairenn | but even for those that would choose to say that the horde is "evil", there *is* an equivalent |
| 22:03.51 | sancus | Deathknights have pretty different ability sets from Paladins though generally |
| 22:04.06 | Cairenn | so it is entirely possible for Blizz to allow the horde to have a pally class, if they wanted to |
| 22:04.21 | Cairenn | without it going against anything at all |
| 22:04.32 | krka | would kind of ruin the point of having faction specific classes |
| 22:04.40 | sancus | if they were going to do it, they'd probably just let blood elves be pallies and draenei be shaman and call it a day, and let the roleplay people argue about dimensional ships. |
| 22:04.59 | Cairenn | krka: aye, not denying that |
| 22:05.02 | Maldivia | well, a paladin is never evil - he's a holy man, devoterd to his deity |
| 22:05.36 | krka | lots of "evil" paladins in war3 |
| 22:05.38 | Cairenn | krka: just denying the whole "there's no way there could be an equivalent on the horde side" |
| 22:05.46 | krka | becoming zealous and crazy |
| 22:06.09 | Cairenn | those are called fanatics ;) |
| 22:06.33 | sancus | religion in wow is too vague and backgrounded for Paladins to have any real code of behaviour |
| 22:07.12 | krka | well, religion in wow is kinda weird... you don't really need faith, since you can actually prove existance of gods :P |
| 22:07.22 | sancus | how so |
| 22:07.38 | krka | priest / paladin spells actually work? |
| 22:07.49 | krka | they're based on prayers |
| 22:08.05 | krka | work consistently too |
| 22:08.12 | ckknight | Maldivia, that "shortcut" is inaccurate, especially for low values |
| 22:08.22 | Tain | Of course the argument could be made that Priests and Paladins only *think* their spells work on prayers, but really are just arcane. |
| 22:08.27 | Maldivia | ckknight: no, it's 100% accurate, for all values |
| 22:08.34 | sancus | I suppose it really depends how you define gods |
| 22:08.43 | sancus | the fact that spells work consistently does not prove the existence of gods |
| 22:08.49 | sancus | it merely proves the existence of some sort of magical force |
| 22:09.16 | sancus | whether that's manipulated by the faith of the user itself, or granted by some outside being is undefined |
| 22:10.05 | krka | Tain, i'm pretty sure a gnome or two would have been successful in becoming paladin / priests if so |
| 22:10.08 | sancus | obviously the old gods and the titans exist, though, but it does depend on you define gods as they are obviously capable of being defeated/imprisoned/etc |
| 22:10.20 | krka | the reason they fail is because the lack faith and are too scientific about it |
| 22:12.01 | ckknight | hrm. |
| 22:14.15 | ckknight | Maldivia, that's cool, I didn't know about that |
| 22:17.36 | Kirkburn | Yes, all races could become paladins, the restriction is in place only because of the numbers associated. Since the number of gnomes that could become pallys are negligible, you can't play as one |
| 22:17.44 | Kirkburn | That goes for all classes |
| 22:18.03 | Kirkburn | Just because a race doesn't have the option, doesn't mean they can't exist (in lore / as an NPC) |
| 22:18.27 | Kirkburn | Hence the BE pally, in an alliance stronghold |
| 22:18.49 | krka | aren't the paladin class currently a bit of an order btw? |
| 22:18.57 | krka | originally just a human guild basically |
| 22:19.08 | krka | but now with the addition of dwarves |
| 22:19.21 | Kirkburn | Yeah, the paladins we play wouldn't be the same as another group |
| 22:19.38 | Kirkburn | Unless they belonged to the same order |
| 22:19.50 | Kirkburn | I said that awfully |
| 22:21.00 | Maldivia | and now for something completely different: is it a new (as in 1.10.x) thing, that the minimap dissapears after a gxrestart? |
| 22:21.05 | Kirkburn | The paladins we play are one order of holy warriors, if the horde were to have them it would be a different order |
| 22:21.21 | krka | if blizzard made horde paladins, then they wouldn't really be paladins, because the alliance paladins would not recognize them as paladins |
| 22:21.28 | Kirkburn | That's better |
| 22:21.43 | krka | yeah, that was clearer Kirkburn |
| 22:22.08 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 22:22.41 | ckknight | Maldivia, yea, the only problem with that way is rounding errors. *shrug* |
| 22:23.15 | krka | ckknight, yeah, you'd need to figure out what precision you should use for your value of n |
| 22:23.22 | krka | errr... unclear |
| 22:23.22 | Maldivia | ckknight: well, in normal computing, you won't have a rounding error that influences the result |
| 22:23.38 | krka | what precision to use when performing arithmetic, and the precision of the constants |
| 22:25.15 | krka | time to sleep |
| 22:25.39 | Cairenn | night krka |
| 22:26.33 | Maldivia | night |
| 22:27.32 | Maldivia | but anyone know, about the minimap thing? |
| 22:36.05 | kremonte | when i reload gx nothing happens to my minimap |
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| 22:39.28 | Osagasu | :< |
| 22:39.42 | Osagasu | I was gonna get my first first, but Slouken deleted his thread |
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| 22:40.54 | Kirkburn | This person's got a loooooot of mana .... http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/4851/13kmanafinal7jl.png |
| 22:41.08 | Kirkburn | Osagasu, ? |
| 22:41.28 | Osagasu | Slouken made a thread stating he would be on the e3 floor tomorrow |
| 22:41.39 | Cairenn | hey MentalPower? |
| 22:41.43 | Osagasu | I went to post saying I wish I could be there to bug him, but he had deleted it |
| 22:41.47 | Cairenn | nm |
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| 22:44.35 | Maldivia | kremonte: hmm, when my gx reloads, the minimap dissapears... well, all the dots etc are still there, but the frame around it, and the minimap texture is gone |
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| 23:20.48 | Kirkburn | Spore figurines! http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/11/spore-figurines-at-e3/ |
| 23:21.06 | Kirkburn | (look, no-ones said anything for ages, okay?) |
| 23:23.32 | Iriel | I just want the game |
| 23:25.34 | Kirkburn | I'd love to get the chance to print off my own model :) |
| 23:25.57 | kremonte | anybody know the formula for tradeskills orange/yellow/green/grey? ;/ |
| 23:26.33 | Iriel | kremonte : It's returned by the API calls isn't it? |
| 23:31.06 | Wobin_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTradeSkillInfo |
| 23:31.14 | Wobin_ | skillType |
| 23:31.14 | Wobin_ | String - Either "header", if the skillIndex references to a heading, or a string indicating the difficulty to craft the item ("trivial", "easy" (?), "optimal", "difficult"). |
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