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| 00:18.00 | Legorol | before it's going to disappear in 1.11, can anyone enlighten me as to what a TitleRegion is? |
| 00:18.12 | Legorol | what purpose does it serve in the XML? |
| 00:18.29 | Iriel | It doesn't disappear |
| 00:18.38 | Iriel | Slouken just changed his mind on HOW we get to them |
| 00:18.41 | Legorol | gets transformed? |
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| 00:18.49 | Legorol | ok well i don't even know what it is |
| 00:19.01 | Iriel | it's a region of a frame that provides automatic drag to move and I think click to raise |
| 00:19.02 | Legorol | so: 1) what is it 2) how do we get to it now 3) how will we get to it in 1.11 |
| 00:19.13 | Iriel | 2) You can define one in the XML |
| 00:19.21 | Wobin | ah, but not so far in lua? |
| 00:19.22 | Legorol | whoah, i never knew that |
| 00:19.23 | Iriel | 3) CreateTitleRegiion() / GetTitleRegion() |
| 00:19.30 | Legorol | sounds pretty handy! |
| 00:19.49 | Legorol | i will look at the 1.11 thread for how it changes in 1.11 |
| 00:19.51 | Legorol | thanks Iriel |
| 00:20.07 | Legorol | you see, i'm no good at making cookiess.. so you can DIY ;-) |
| 00:21.21 | Legorol | Iriel, i'm a bit confused about how LayoutFrame differs from the new Region thing |
| 00:21.27 | Legorol | is one the subset of the other? |
| 00:21.34 | Legorol | or they are overlapping sets? |
| 00:21.59 | Legorol | ah, Get/CreateTitleRegion is not in 1.10 |
| 00:22.01 | Iriel | The 'new' Region IS essentially LayoutFrame |
| 00:22.07 | Legorol | so how do we get to them in 1.10? |
| 00:22.16 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API_New |
| 00:22.17 | Legorol | (apart from defining one in XML) |
| 00:22.24 | Iriel | You dont in 1.10, thus the API request 8-) |
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| 00:24.21 | Legorol | so ehm... the GetRegions() or whatever method (sorry never used it) doesn't include the title region? |
| 00:24.37 | Legorol | fonts/textures/regions etc. is one area of the API i'm very bad on :) |
| 00:24.40 | Iriel | Correct |
| 00:24.47 | Iriel | Nor will it |
| 00:25.52 | Legorol | hehe, i see that the level of abstraction on the new API page has skyrocketed ;-) |
| 00:25.58 | Legorol | you must've had fun making it :D |
| 00:26.16 | Legorol | i didn't have time to poke the widget API recently :( it's a fun time sink.. |
| 00:26.36 | Iriel | I recoded my script to include multiple inheritance |
| 00:26.46 | Iriel | the new script is much cleaner |
| 00:27.23 | Legorol | multiple inheritance? |
| 00:27.28 | Legorol | is that actually needed? |
| 00:27.36 | Legorol | can you give me a pertinent example |
| 00:28.37 | Iriel | FontString |
| 00:28.55 | End | wtf |
| 00:29.04 | Iriel | And Font, for that matter |
| 00:29.20 | End | what is with this under attack stuff in 1.11? is the scourge attacking? |
| 00:29.20 | Iriel | there's a whole bunch of shared font/text methods |
| 00:29.24 | End | I just noticed it on my map |
| 00:29.33 | Iriel | There's supposed to be a world event |
| 00:29.35 | Iriel | so that may be it |
| 00:29.39 | End | interesting |
| 00:29.47 | End | too bad I only have a level 1 character right now :P |
| 00:29.49 | Legorol | Iriel: oh i see on the new api page |
| 00:29.59 | Legorol | so you grouped the common font-related methods into FontInstance etc. |
| 00:30.03 | End | also, the reason I went wtf is Yatlas picked it up, and I was like what point is that? |
| 00:30.10 | End | (which means it is a landmark) |
| 00:30.20 | Legorol | OK, so let me just check with you that I understand things (and that my mind hasn't blown up) |
| 00:30.30 | Legorol | Basically, Region is the new name for LayoutFrame, |
| 00:30.41 | Legorol | LayeredRegion is just a collector for Texture and FontString, |
| 00:31.04 | grimman | [Not WoW related] Does anyone know if there are alot of FEAR servers up and running and if there's any point in buying the game? |
| 00:31.04 | Iriel | Yes |
| 00:31.17 | Iriel | I made up 'LayeredRegion' as a new name since slouken stole Region from me |
| 00:31.18 | Legorol | FontInstance is a collector for the font-related methods that are used by editbox, scrollingframe etc. |
| 00:31.45 | Legorol | ok i think i see my way around now |
| 00:32.01 | Legorol | do you think that this multiple level of abstraction is a good idea? |
| 00:32.12 | Legorol | personally, i prefer the widget API page to follow a similar structure to UI.xsd |
| 00:32.44 | Legorol | admittedly, there are pros and cons for both ways |
| 00:34.03 | Legorol | hmmm, OnInputLanguageChanged. haven't noticed this one before. |
| 00:34.08 | Legorol | wonder if there is a way to test it :) |
| 00:35.36 | Iriel | Legorol : Since I have ti maintain the page, yes, it's a great convenience |
| 00:35.48 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 00:35.57 | Legorol | so this new Region object type |
| 00:36.15 | Legorol | if TitleRegion the only widget that has this type when used in Lua, |
| 00:36.30 | Iriel | It's the only one that returns "Region" from GetObjectType |
| 00:36.30 | Legorol | isn't it confusing to call the abstract "base" type by the same name? |
| 00:36.34 | Legorol | yeah |
| 00:36.50 | Iriel | All frames will return true for IsObjectType("Region") (or at least, they should, I haven't tested it yet) |
| 00:37.02 | Legorol | oh right |
| 00:37.09 | Iriel | It's not really "abstract" anymore, anyway |
| 00:37.21 | Iriel | and the actual functions are cleaner than they used to be, in the implementation |
| 00:37.33 | Iriel | There are far fewer 'lies' in my code 8-) |
| 00:37.53 | Legorol | now that i'm looking at UI.xsd, TitleRegion in the XML is of type LayoutFrame |
| 00:38.18 | Legorol | that's actually an interesting point.. |
| 00:38.32 | Legorol | i wonder what happens in 1.10 if i do GetObjectType on a TitleRegion :) |
| 00:38.45 | Iriel | You can't get to one |
| 00:38.51 | Iriel | so it's an irrelevant question 8-) |
| 00:39.07 | Legorol | but UI.xsd claims i can name a TitleRegion |
| 00:39.16 | Legorol | so wouldn't that add it to the Lua space? |
| 00:39.20 | Iriel | Hm, does it show up in the lua namespace when you do? |
| 00:39.24 | Legorol | i never tried |
| 00:39.34 | Legorol | so it probably wouldn't show up |
| 00:40.23 | Legorol | i was just trawling UI.xsd, and noticed that TitleRegion is a LayoutFrame, so should have the name attrib |
| 00:40.28 | Legorol | going to test this now :D |
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| 00:52.52 | Legorol | you are right Iriel, in 1.10 it doesn't get added to Lua |
| 00:53.00 | Legorol | but this TitleRegion thing is *nice* |
| 00:53.24 | Legorol | it allows for the creation of draggable objects, without the stupid behaviour of StartMoving where the mouse ends up miles away from the point you are dragging |
| 00:53.47 | Legorol | i'm quite happy with this find :) |
| 00:54.21 | Legorol | check this out: a full fledged blue box you can drag around, with not a single line of Lua |
| 00:54.22 | Legorol | http://wow.pastebin.com/736247 |
| 00:54.33 | Legorol | entire thing is just XML, I like it |
| 00:56.05 | Legorol | Hm, odd. |
| 00:56.13 | Legorol | Even though the default for setAllPoints is false, |
| 00:56.34 | Iriel | The standard UI uses it in a couple of places IIRC |
| 00:56.37 | Legorol | if I don't specify any size, anchor or the setAllPoints attrib, a texture ends up stretching to the whole frame |
| 00:57.54 | Iriel | Yeah |
| 00:57.57 | Iriel | I had to code that in IVF |
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| 00:59.43 | Legorol | in fact, setAllPoints is completely ignored for a texture |
| 00:59.47 | Legorol | at least in 1.10 |
| 01:00.00 | Legorol | even explicitly specifying setAllPoints="false" is ignored |
| 01:00.04 | Iriel | Now THAT I haven't coded 8-) |
| 01:00.06 | Legorol | naughty naughty |
| 01:00.35 | Legorol | oth, if i have at least one anchor, then obviously it doesn't set all points anymore |
| 01:00.47 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 01:00.51 | Legorol | bah |
| 01:01.11 | AnduinLothar | you just found title region? |
| 01:01.16 | Legorol | yup :) |
| 01:01.19 | Legorol | and loving it so far |
| 01:01.26 | AnduinLothar | it's been on my draggable tutorial for like a year |
| 01:01.28 | Legorol | i knew it existed, never knew what for |
| 01:01.35 | Legorol | bah, who reads tutorials.. |
| 01:01.41 | Legorol | i'm supposed to be a UI-pro :) |
| 01:01.46 | Legorol | and *write* the damn things ;-) |
| 01:01.51 | AnduinLothar | noob |
| 01:02.10 | Legorol | well it gives very clean dragging |
| 01:02.44 | AnduinLothar | i just got hired to write a data farming addon for gameamp.com |
| 01:02.47 | Legorol | i don't know why folks have such an aversion to doing stuff in XML, hehe |
| 01:02.56 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, are you going to do it? |
| 01:03.00 | AnduinLothar | prolly |
| 01:03.04 | Legorol | what the heck is gameamp.com |
| 01:03.18 | Legorol | grats though |
| 01:04.08 | AnduinLothar | they're developing a competing thotbot/alacazam/curse searchabl database with some good ideas for an app for most game database searching |
| 01:05.03 | AnduinLothar | the addon isn't really exciting, but it pays. the more exciting part will be an opengl & directx overlay search program they're workign on |
| 01:05.32 | Legorol | nice |
| 01:05.34 | Kalroth | doubt Blizzard will like that |
| 01:05.42 | Legorol | overlays are completely legit |
| 01:05.54 | Legorol | since they can't interfere with gameplay |
| 01:05.54 | Kalroth | mmmm, it's a gray area |
| 01:06.07 | Legorol | how is that different form running in window mode, with your browser open? |
| 01:06.08 | Kalroth | since to do overlays you need to hook dx/ogl |
| 01:06.17 | AnduinLothar | it's only a grey area if they intercept game data to get current location |
| 01:06.38 | AnduinLothar | you dont have to go to windowed mode... faster... cooler ui |
| 01:06.48 | Legorol | yah exactly |
| 01:06.48 | Kalroth | it's different because you mess with the game client memory space .. through dx/ogl, but never the less |
| 01:06.59 | Legorol | what i was trying to say is that an overlay gives no more advantage than going windowed |
| 01:07.06 | Legorol | from a botting perspective |
| 01:07.08 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 01:07.13 | Kalroth | nope, it doesn't |
| 01:07.18 | Kalroth | but can of worms, etc. |
| 01:07.29 | AnduinLothar | w/e I'm just writing a legit addon |
| 01:07.36 | AnduinLothar | not my job to worry about the app |
| 01:07.40 | Kalroth | to get input from the blizzard client you have to hook keyboard |
| 01:07.41 | Legorol | Kalroth, do you actually need to mess with client memory space? |
| 01:07.46 | AnduinLothar | just a point of interest |
| 01:07.48 | Kalroth | Legorol: indirectly, yes |
| 01:07.58 | Kalroth | Legorol: since you hook the libraries that the game uses |
| 01:08.02 | Kalroth | hence gray area |
| 01:08.04 | Legorol | i don't know how overlays work, but if you are intercepting only dx/ogl functions, wouldn't you be messing with OS functions, and video memory? |
| 01:08.09 | Kalroth | I once worked on Decal for Asheron's Call |
| 01:08.13 | Kalroth | that is exactly that |
| 01:08.27 | Kalroth | hooking direct x to draw on the game client screen |
| 01:08.33 | Legorol | well you could argue that once a game has rendered the screen and sent it off, it's no longer the game |
| 01:08.42 | Legorol | i could capture the image as its going down the cable to my monitor.. |
| 01:08.49 | Kalroth | Legorol: Yup, hence why I also mentioned keyboard input |
| 01:08.53 | AnduinLothar | ya... if so fraps would be banned |
| 01:09.14 | Iriel | It's really a question of how honest they feel you are and what you're doing |
| 01:09.15 | Kalroth | if it was to be of any use then it'd have to accept keyboard/mouse input through the game client |
| 01:09.20 | Kalroth | Iriel: of course |
| 01:09.20 | AnduinLothar | and i know most OS's have a keyboard intercept for accessability options |
| 01:09.31 | Iriel | It's entirely possible to intercept OG/DX calls and work out wher eobjects are, thus where you are, etc etc etc |
| 01:09.32 | Kalroth | Iriel: on the Decal team we were in _very_ good standing with the Turbine developers |
| 01:09.40 | Kalroth | Iriel: and we did everything we could to prevent hack |
| 01:09.42 | Kalroth | hacks* |
| 01:09.44 | AnduinLothar | like i can have vent global hotkeys w/o touchign wow |
| 01:09.46 | Kalroth | but it still happened |
| 01:09.51 | Kalroth | and our overlay was the door |
| 01:09.57 | Kalroth | can of worms |
| 01:10.19 | Legorol | so what about hooking standard library functions? |
| 01:10.23 | Legorol | that is also a grey area right |
| 01:10.27 | Legorol | e.g. standard C lib |
| 01:10.37 | Kalroth | hooking anything the game client uses is a gray area |
| 01:10.38 | Legorol | tehcnically they are not in WoW |
| 01:10.51 | Legorol | what if i replaced the version of the standard C libs on my machine with a different one |
| 01:11.01 | Kalroth | because then you could just hook CreateProcess() and do your stuff before wow.exe is loaded |
| 01:11.04 | Legorol | i am not changing game code, definitely grey area |
| 01:11.06 | Kalroth | (example) |
| 01:11.20 | Tain | The intent is most certainly not a grey area. |
| 01:11.26 | Legorol | agreed |
| 01:11.28 | Kalroth | of course not Tain |
| 01:11.34 | Kalroth | but that was our main problem |
| 01:11.42 | Kalroth | we made an overlay with addon system and everything |
| 01:11.42 | Legorol | and so far Blizz seem to take the stance of "keep silent, until things go bad" |
| 01:11.50 | Legorol | without committing themselves either way |
| 01:12.05 | Kalroth | Legorol: Yes, but if you ask them official they'll say no |
| 01:12.13 | Legorol | actually, they did say Fraps is fine |
| 01:12.20 | Legorol | someone asked, Blue responded |
| 01:12.25 | Legorol | the response was essentially that it depends on intent |
| 01:12.26 | Kalroth | yes, fraps doesn't interact with the client at all |
| 01:12.45 | Legorol | does it not need to hook like an overlay, to be able to record the DX screen? |
| 01:12.54 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 01:12.58 | Legorol | so that's what i am saying |
| 01:12.59 | Kalroth | it does DX/OGL hooking |
| 01:13.06 | Kalroth | yes, move on to part duex :) |
| 01:13.09 | Legorol | that's an example where Blizz came out and said: it's ok because of its intent |
| 01:13.15 | Kalroth | keyboard/mouse input |
| 01:13.17 | Tain | The reason for them not saying one way or another is because every time they say X people start assuming everything they don't say is ok. |
| 01:13.27 | Kalroth | exactly, Tain |
| 01:14.07 | Legorol | so, GetRegions().. that only enumerates Textures and Fontstrings in 1.10, right? |
| 01:14.33 | Legorol | will it also return the TitleRegion in 1.11? |
| 01:14.34 | Kalroth | put yourself in their place, if you got a game client with _a lot_ of information and it's easy to exploit using that information, would you want external programs paiting on your screen and stealing keyboard/mouse input? |
| 01:14.40 | Tain | Which is a false assumption of course, but it just takes too much effort on their part to try to put out every little fire. |
| 01:16.16 | Tain | "The client is in the hands of the enemy." |
| 01:17.09 | Kalroth | Blizzard doesn't follow that principle at all, they're well aware that they trust too much from the client |
| 01:17.17 | Kalroth | but it's a tradeoff they have to make |
| 01:24.25 | Iriel | Legorol : No. |
| 01:25.04 | Legorol | Iriel, something you might want to note for 1.11 if you haven't already |
| 01:25.12 | Legorol | the TitleRegion is not added to Lua even if given a name |
| 01:25.28 | Legorol | looks like the only way to access it is strictly via GetTitleRegion then.. |
| 01:25.54 | Legorol | i must say having the "Region" widget type and GetRegions() function is confusing |
| 01:26.06 | Iriel | We noted the confusion already in the thread |
| 01:26.18 | Legorol | and yes, i'm just catching up to speed on most of 1.10/1.11 :D |
| 01:27.36 | Legorol | Iriel, the 1.10 changes post seems to have a bunch of text for widget methods which is not on the wiki |
| 01:27.43 | Legorol | don't let the post fade when 1.11 comes out ;-) |
| 01:27.54 | Legorol | or magically using a script get the whole thing across to the wiki :) |
| 01:28.39 | Cairenn | they never disappear Lego |
| 01:28.41 | Cairenn | :p |
| 01:28.51 | Legorol | hehe |
| 01:28.57 | Cairenn | well, they don't |
| 01:29.18 | Legorol | i know they are mummified on WoWI |
| 01:29.38 | Legorol | speaking of which, Cairenn, does WoWi have a copy of the 1.10.1 and 1.10.2 changes as well? |
| 01:29.53 | Legorol | and i know you usually copy across Iriel's changes post, do you also update it occasionally? |
| 01:30.06 | Cairenn | go look at it :p |
| 01:30.13 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 01:30.21 | Legorol | i know i'm asking too much questions again.. |
| 01:30.25 | Legorol | s/much/many |
| 01:30.30 | Legorol | s/much/many/ |
| 01:30.33 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:33.11 | Cairenn | they are also always preserved in another way ... wdn |
| 01:33.48 | Cairenn | no, I don't have the 1.10.1 and .2 saved, should probably do that |
| 01:34.01 | Cairenn | but they are on the wdn, so it's not like there's nothing |
| 01:37.52 | Legorol | ehm... they are? |
| 01:37.58 | Legorol | i thought wdn only has the interface files |
| 01:38.19 | Legorol | yah, it seems only have the interface files, not the API changes |
| 01:38.29 | Legorol | unless i'm missing something |
| 01:40.06 | Legorol | Anyone has any rough idea if there'd be a 1.12 before expansion? |
| 01:40.22 | Iriel | There will |
| 01:40.32 | Legorol | any idea of the content? |
| 01:40.34 | Iriel | Aren't there outstanding class respects? |
| 01:40.37 | Iriel | respecs, even |
| 01:40.48 | Legorol | seeing that we seem to have more knowledge of expansion content than anything beyond 1.11 |
| 01:40.53 | Iriel | I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall there was one more to go |
| 01:41.05 | Legorol | possibly, i don't follow talent respecs too carefully |
| 01:41.12 | Iriel | (if not, then my 'there will' isn't valid, and referred to 1.11) |
| 01:41.36 | norganna | so when't the expansion coming? |
| 01:41.59 | norganna | s/'t/'s/ |
| 01:42.47 | Iriel | supposedly before the year is out |
| 01:42.58 | Iriel | At least that's the last I heard |
| 01:43.14 | Gngsk | it'll be out when it's out |
| 01:43.16 | Legorol | norganna: soon (TM, Blizzard Entertain Inc. (C) all rights reserved) |
| 01:43.38 | norganna | i'd expect another couple of patches before the end of the year |
| 01:43.54 | norganna | major patches even |
| 01:44.16 | Legorol | Iriel, if you have any plans to improve DevTools, here is a suggestion: |
| 01:44.23 | Legorol | display table contents in GUI and make it editable |
| 01:44.34 | Legorol | currently, Fire can display table in a tree view very nicely, but not editable |
| 01:44.48 | Legorol | and myDebug allows tree view + editing, but is very cumbersome for some reason |
| 01:48.07 | Iriel | I have vdump largely written, but it's gasping in the bottom of a tank, desparate for 'free time' |
| 01:48.28 | Iriel | I wasn't planning on doing editing though, but it might not be that hard to add |
| 01:49.11 | Iriel | Plus I have some other contributed features to add that fit neatly into the existing commands |
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| 02:04.42 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 02:18.37 | Legorol | ah and i was about to ask him a question |
| 02:22.51 | AnduinLothar | zomg... soo many SKy changes since i update don curse.. |
| 02:23.07 | AnduinLothar | last version was toc 1800 |
| 02:26.14 | cladhaire | lol, wow |
| 02:27.36 | AnduinLothar | from 1.4 to 2.01 |
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| 02:29.46 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/editv-1153.html |
| 02:29.50 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 02:29.56 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1153-1-sky.html |
| 02:35.46 | Gryphen | everything needs updates |
| 02:35.54 | AnduinLothar | I'm going through the libs |
| 02:36.09 | AnduinLothar | but it's time for bwl |
| 02:39.32 | Legorol | An interesting new API function: IsInInstance() |
| 02:39.42 | Legorol | if this does what i think it does, it's worth multiple cookies |
| 02:41.05 | Legorol | also: GetPlayerBuffDispelType() |
| 02:41.13 | Legorol | i beleive this one's used for the new color coding |
| 02:41.30 | Legorol | but if i'm not mistaken, this means a lot less buff scanning if you just want to know which one to dispel |
| 02:41.41 | Legorol | why is Blizzard adding API that aids Decursive ;-) |
| 02:42.18 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:42.32 | cladhaire | cause they have to spam decursive now.. no more automagic decursing |
| 02:42.39 | cladhaire | i've noticed that tho |
| 02:42.53 | Legorol | even with having to spam it, it's extremely effective |
| 02:43.01 | Legorol | you bind it to something like \ say |
| 02:43.01 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 02:43.07 | Legorol | not that hard to spam it |
| 02:43.43 | Legorol | you know, if someone can come up with a solution to Decursive, they'd get hired as game designer by b |
| 02:43.46 | Legorol | Blizz |
| 02:44.10 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:44.11 | ckknight | solution? |
| 02:44.39 | AnduinLothar | i have a few solutions, but i dont even like them |
| 02:49.15 | Codayus | Seems like the primary solution is - don't have silly AoE curse spamming bosses... |
| 02:49.23 | Codayus | As far as PvE goes. |
| 02:49.50 | Codayus | But in PvE, decursive isn't really a "problem" as such... |
| 03:05.00 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
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| 03:08.52 | ckknight | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39270929,00.htm |
| 03:20.49 | Legorol | another undocumented UI feature: |
| 03:20.58 | Legorol | if a zone is under attack, you get little skull on the world map |
| 03:21.01 | Legorol | pretty neat :) |
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| 03:22.01 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8460407&p=1&tmp=1#post8460407 <-- Beladona actually suggested something like this, just fleshing it out for him. |
| 03:22.06 | Cide | pretty sure that's just the world event |
| 03:22.16 | Cide | but I'm not sure |
| 03:28.25 | AnduinLothar | it is |
| 03:28.32 | AnduinLothar | jsut for undead invasions |
| 03:28.47 | Legorol | ah right |
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| 04:44.27 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
| 04:44.49 | Cairenn | night MentalPower, sweet dreams |
| 04:45.33 | MentalPower | may the Spirit of Elune grace your sleeping thoughts Cairenn :) |
| 04:45.41 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 04:47.54 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 05:11.52 | norganna | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:19.14 | Cairenn | O.M.G! I'm gonna be sea sick from this thing! |
| 05:19.29 | Cairenn | omg |
| 05:24.27 | Crispix | o_O |
| 05:25.55 | Cairenn | I KNEW I should wait until I had enough faction to get a wolf ... |
| 05:26.07 | AnduinLothar | tauren? |
| 05:26.22 | Cairenn | troll ... stupid raptor gonna make me seasick |
| 05:52.33 | Miravlix | It's darn hard to get enough faction at 40 |
| 05:52.53 | Miravlix | And you usually get used to it after a while. |
| 05:56.24 | Miravlix | I usually et seasick just from playing a game, any game with modern day graphics, got seasick of WoW when I started. |
| 06:01.51 | Cairenn | I sure hope so ... otherwise she's going to be back to just running |
| 06:15.22 | Corrodias | i used to be practically immune to motion sickness. i could read books on car rides with no problem. however, i haven't done it in years, and now, when i try, it hits me within 10 minutes. |
| 06:15.48 | Corrodias | as for games, i don't recall ever being affected by them like that. it's a weird idea, like you're getting into it too deeply. |
| 06:17.57 | Tem | Cairenn: I *love* the raptors |
| 06:18.07 | Tem | it's the only reason I still go to ZG raids |
| 06:18.24 | Tem | (because that's the only way I can ever get a raptor since I'm alliance) |
| 06:19.49 | Corrodias | good luck on that |
| 06:21.13 | Tem | yeah... |
| 06:27.14 | Miravlix | It just freeze up and never wakes upa gain. |
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| 06:30.22 | Miravlix | Motion sickness is optical as well as physical |
| 06:30.51 | Corrodias | what do you mean by that? |
| 06:31.14 | Miravlix | You can get carsick due to optical stimulation or physical stimulation |
| 06:31.19 | AnduinLothar | even w/o buffbot my game freezes after load and disc on every time i zone into bwl with raid |
| 06:31.36 | Miravlix | BWL sucks |
| 06:31.50 | AnduinLothar | it's more fun than mc |
| 06:31.54 | Miravlix | Is it timeout disconnect? |
| 06:31.57 | Corrodias | well, some people can. i'm not so sure about everyone. |
| 06:32.13 | AnduinLothar | no, it's not timeout. it gets to about PEW and disc's |
| 06:32.17 | Miravlix | Under the right stimulation anyone can get it |
| 06:32.23 | AnduinLothar | i dont think it's sky |
| 06:32.32 | AnduinLothar | might be DM or CTA |
| 06:32.40 | AnduinLothar | dont have ctra |
| 06:33.20 | Miravlix | Many things triggers bag updates, but I'm not sure why you would go dizzy due to that |
| 06:33.37 | Miravlix | The bag updates happends after PeW |
| 06:34.00 | Miravlix | Do you zone in with the raid or just a few people? |
| 06:34.26 | Miravlix | Maybe you just need to get in faster ahead of the others |
| 06:35.11 | Miravlix | Hmm, I need to check how complete 1.11's zone event cleanup is |
| 06:39.22 | Miravlix | 900K Cosmos update. weeh, someone has been busy. |
| 06:39.28 | AnduinLothar | ya but it only happens on zone.. not rl or login |
| 06:39.53 | AnduinLothar | embedable sky is huge |
| 06:40.12 | AnduinLothar | standalone APB is 3/4 of a mb |
| 06:40.25 | Miravlix | I think it's Atlas |
| 06:43.52 | Miravlix | 629 in queue |
| 06:44.04 | Miravlix | Will be a few before I'm testing zoneing changes |
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| 06:48.29 | Miravlix | It's better to quest and die, than never haveing quested at all. |
| 06:48.32 | Miravlix | New tips |
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| 07:00.28 | Miravlix | Oh man |
| 07:00.32 | Miravlix | From 20K events to |
| 07:00.55 | Miravlix | 153/455 zoning events |
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| 07:06.49 | Miravlix | wtf |
| 07:06.56 | Miravlix | You don't get a PeW |
| 07:06.59 | Miravlix | after a zone |
| 07:08.58 | Miravlix | Aah there it is, still get a nutty amount of strange events |
| 07:12.03 | Corrodias | just what is a PeW? |
| 07:16.30 | zenzelezz | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 07:19.07 | ckknight | pew pew lazers! |
| 07:23.58 | Miravlix | Still want to ignore anything from PlW untio 10 seconds after PeW |
| 07:24.07 | Miravlix | The list is ugly |
| 07:24.46 | Miravlix | Hmm, zoning doesn't close windows all the time |
| 07:25.12 | Miravlix | Actually just 1-2 seconds after zoning |
| 07:26.13 | Miravlix | SPELLS_CHANGED, PLAYER_UNGHOST, SPELLCAST_STOP all fun events that should be ignored |
| 07:26.51 | Miravlix | UPDATE_x_ACTIONBAR is pointless too and then there is still a full QUEST_LOG_UPDATExQuests thing going |
| 07:27.07 | Miravlix | But no bags |
| 07:27.51 | Miravlix | And my char that doesn't have a pet bar gets a PET_BAR_UPDATE event... |
| 07:31.18 | Miravlix | Hmm, to many zones in a row caused my WoW to die |
| 07:32.28 | Miravlix | Game is updateing graphically, never crashed like this before. |
| 07:32.54 | Miravlix | Everything is running, it just doesn't want to not show the zoning picture |
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| 07:56.45 | MoonWolf | morning |
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| 08:27.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | erm |
| 08:27.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | net, you here? |
| 08:30.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | some idiot's blaming curse for this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8462641&p=1&tmp=1#post8462641 |
| 08:30.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's like the people that sue mcdonalds for not labling the coffee as hot, and sue gun manufacturers cause some idiots went on a shooting spree |
| 08:35.21 | Shouryuu|Crazy | McDonald's coffee is hot? |
| 08:36.59 | Shouryuu|Crazy | "My hardware went from 30.0GB's to 73.oGB's" LOL |
| 08:45.04 | Shouryuu|Crazy | whhhat the F |
| 08:45.09 | Shouryuu|Crazy | all my MSN contacts got deleted |
| 08:47.02 | Shouryuu|Crazy | And my internet has decided to play with my head again |
| 08:47.12 | Miravlix | Real Time Virus/Spy ware detectors is a good thing |
| 08:47.41 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Actualy only 2 are left |
| 08:55.36 | AnduinLothar | think it'd be possible to make a chan comm addon that transmits sightings in bg's and attempts to populate the map with enemy player density? |
| 08:56.13 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 08:56.35 | Miravlix | But considering how mobile battles is, I wonder if it's any use. |
| 08:56.41 | AnduinLothar | transmit on target ever x minutes, transmit on kill/death |
| 08:57.02 | Miravlix | I use BattleFieldCommander that makes a minimap with where my players is |
| 08:57.15 | Miravlix | Thats just as good as knowing where the enemy is |
| 08:57.40 | AnduinLothar | be nice to have colorcoding by zone for density in ab |
| 08:58.32 | AnduinLothar | how bout store every mouse over and transmit every 30 sec |
| 08:58.35 | Miravlix | In my experince things keep changing |
| 08:59.04 | Miravlix | Either they take the flag or they move there firepower somewhere else |
| 08:59.46 | Miravlix | In AV things can be fairly static, but then you can just look at where your side is |
| 09:01.02 | Miravlix | BFC is dead on 1.11 though, need to fix that |
| 09:03.28 | Miravlix | MiniMap, ABFlagTimer, WSGFlagHolder and AV Graveyard Timers, InviteHandler, Quick Command Buttons is what I use in PvP BGs |
| 09:03.39 | Miravlix | MiniBigMap |
| 09:08.13 | Miravlix | ABHelper, BattleFieldCommander, BGFlag, BGInvite, PVPNoSpam, TitanHonorPlus, TitanBG, AlreadyKilled. I think thats all my PvP enhancing addons. |
| 09:09.23 | Miravlix | half of them isn't maintained, so they all contains my hacks to make them work. |
| 09:10.17 | Miravlix | Some day when I have a lot of time, I'm going to combine them all into one addon. |
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| 10:48.30 | zespri | what kind of ranged damage windwall totem protects from? is spell damage ranged damage or not? |
| 10:49.42 | Kirkburn | The internets is making me cry =( Bloody txt message speak "r y dint u tel me u no im alwayz der 4 ya wb lv ya lodz x" |
| 10:50.01 | Kirkburn | No, I don't think spell dmg comes under ranged damage |
| 10:50.12 | Kirkburn | But I'm not certain |
| 10:51.41 | zespri | I mean if windwall totem is protecting only from arrows the usefullnes of the totem is very limited |
| 10:52.37 | Kirkburn | Aye, it would basically be an anti-hunter totem |
| 10:55.41 | Kirkburn | "it only protects against Guns, Bows, and Thrown Weapons" |
| 10:56.37 | Kirkburn | Brain, exploding ... hiya hun u ok? wot u bin up 2? wot has curt bin sayin bean told me i was in his top 5 and frm wot e nows of me e thinks im sound an all the pictures he has seen of me i look fit e sed so ya no its all gd im seein a 17 year old so it dnt matta lol int it gud lv ya hun elena x x x x |
| 10:56.52 | Kirkburn | ^^ What on earth does it all mean? |
| 10:58.17 | Kirkburn | zespri, that limited use of windwall is likely the reason for this 1.11 change "Windwall Totem: Greatly improved damage reduced by this totem." |
| 10:59.04 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 10:59.15 | Shouryuu|Crazy | that made so little sens |
| 10:59.36 | Kirkburn | Teach me to look at the Pussycat Dolls website :) |
| 11:00.31 | Kirkburn | Unfortunately I know the author of those 'words' was english :/ |
| 11:00.36 | zenzelezz | dude, just watch some porn like everyone else |
| 11:02.38 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 11:06.00 | MoonWolf | i scare myslef by being able to read taht |
| 11:06.05 | MoonWolf | and i dont even text message. |
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| 11:13.33 | Wobin | Is she british? |
| 11:13.42 | Wobin | Cause I can't imagine an american with that 'accent' |
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| 11:16.44 | Wobin | She sounds like an essex girl =P |
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| 14:22.43 | grimman | For the record, Agnitum Outpost Pro + windows ICS == suckage. |
| 14:28.47 | Abenadi[FoF] | what's the quickest function for finding out if you have a target? |
| 14:30.26 | Miravlix | All the UnitSomething("target") seem to be the same speed |
| 14:30.52 | Abenadi[FoF] | so just use like unithealth('target')? |
| 14:31.02 | Abenadi[FoF] | and if its nil they have no target? |
| 14:32.07 | Miravlix | Yeah |
| 14:32.46 | Abenadi[FoF] | thanks |
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| 14:35.38 | grimman | UnitExists("target") seems to work as well. ;) |
| 14:36.16 | Abenadi[FoF] | ah ok didn't know about that one, thanks |
| 14:36.29 | grimman | np |
| 14:48.44 | Abenadi[FoF] | who does UnitResistance() work on? |
| 14:50.01 | Abenadi[FoF] | nm found it |
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| 15:14.13 | MoonWolf | cs help autorem |
| 15:16.31 | Abenadi[FoF] | UnitLevel returns 1 for bosses right? |
| 15:17.34 | Cide | -1 |
| 15:17.53 | Abenadi[FoF] | thanks |
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| 15:23.50 | zenzelezz | a level 1 boss would be a disappointment =D |
| 15:24.37 | Abenadi[FoF] | I thought maybe it was -1 but wowwiki says 1 |
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| 15:29.13 | zenzelezz | well, I've never used that function, but 1 seems like a weird return value, since surely there are regular level 1 mobs |
| 15:29.31 | zenzelezz | would be weird return value for bosses I mean |
| 15:50.02 | Abenadi[FoF] | someone check syntax for me? i'm kind of new to tables in lua |
| 15:50.19 | Abenadi[FoF] | table.foreach(tablename,function(v) if UnitIsUnit(v.."target","raid"..i.."target") then var=1; break; end end); |
| 15:50.25 | Abenadi[FoF] | is that valid lua? |
| 15:56.56 | Beladona | missing a parenthesis |
| 15:57.12 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 15:57.44 | Beladona | I see what you are trying to do, not sure about valid, but that is messy |
| 15:58.11 | Abenadi[FoF] | like I said kind of new to lua tables (and lua in general), that's kind of the only way i know how to do it |
| 15:59.25 | Abenadi[FoF] | is there another way to iterate through tables then using table.foreach? |
| 15:59.35 | Abenadi[FoF] | than* |
| 16:06.55 | Abenadi[FoF] | I guess since its not keyed I could use a for loop |
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| 16:10.30 | Kirkburn | What do you think of my colour coding for the WoWWiki rumoured races page? See the bottom of http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Rumored_Races |
| 16:16.42 | zenzelezz | I swear that mask thing on the female centaur look like a beard |
| 16:17.02 | Abenadi[FoF] | why would anyone even read that page now much less edit it? |
| 16:18.06 | Kirkburn | Because the Burning Crusade isn't the only expansion planned? |
| 16:18.37 | Abenadi[FoF] | using 'planned' loosely |
| 16:18.47 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, perhaps I should have put "Lady looks like a dude", instead =P |
| 16:19.02 | Kirkburn | Er, no, not loosely. Other expansions *are* planned. |
| 16:20.00 | Kirkburn | We don't have to know what they are in order to see what races are likely :) |
| 16:21.42 | grimman | spawn(NewRace);messUp(Lore); |
| 16:22.08 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:22.38 | Tain | Yeah leave the races, make a couple new classes. :) |
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| 16:25.47 | Kirkburn | Dungeon changes! http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-dungeons/532233.htm |
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| 16:56.53 | Codayus | New classes would be SWEET. |
| 16:57.00 | Codayus | Shame they'd be so hard to balance... |
| 16:57.09 | Codayus | OTOH, that's what patches and the nerf bat is for! |
| 16:58.57 | Kirkburn | Poor buff bat, must be covered in cobwebs now ... |
| 17:00.05 | Kirkburn | I do love Windowblinds, such a great purchase (I just found a cool new skin) |
| 17:08.06 | Maldivia | no release timers in instances.. wee :) |
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| 18:12.07 | kremonte | yay for levenshtein |
| 18:12.12 | kremonte | this makes my life so much easier :') |
| 18:12.22 | Kirov | levenwhat? |
| 18:12.25 | kremonte | NEVER AFK! |
| 18:12.33 | kremonte | http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance |
| 18:12.37 | kremonte | my lua implementation is on teh bottom |
| 18:12.51 | Kirov | kremonte - yes he is, he never responds to my tells! |
| 18:12.53 | Kirov | ;) |
| 18:13.02 | kremonte | thats just coz he hates you |
| 18:13.03 | kremonte | :D |
| 18:13.21 | kremonte | in fact, if you msg him with help he responds really fast |
| 18:13.21 | MoonWolf | What is the algorithm good for ? |
| 18:13.31 | kremonte | counts the differences between 2 words, pretty much |
| 18:13.45 | Abenadi[FoF] | quick question: if i have a macro that casts a spell, uses an item, then uses a different item, it will do the first action it is able to and none of the others, right? |
| 18:14.00 | MoonWolf | K |
| 18:14.02 | kremonte | for ex, haapy and happy will have a levenshtein of 1, because it only takes 1 action (substitution of a and p) to get from a to b |
| 18:14.13 | kremonte | Abenadi[FoF]: yes. |
| 18:14.19 | Abenadi[FoF] | thanks |
| 18:14.24 | Tain | I have a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell. |
| 18:14.39 | MoonWolf | :O |
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| 18:23.57 | Abenadi[FoF] | is it possible to define a small function within a macro and use it twice? to save character space? |
| 18:24.39 | AnduinLothar | global function... yes, but not really recommended |
| 18:25.01 | Kirov | Abenadi - what kind of function? |
| 18:25.27 | Abenadi[FoF] | like a function to search your bags for an item and use it, the idea being that if it didn't find the first item it would try to find+use the second one |
| 18:25.46 | AnduinLothar | dude... just use an addon |
| 18:26.02 | Maldivia | wee, finally got to copy a char! |
| 18:26.05 | Kirov | yeah |
| 18:26.10 | Abenadi[FoF] | yeah... :P just trying to fit it into a macro for someone else to use |
| 18:26.32 | AnduinLothar | complicated macros seem so silly to me |
| 18:26.58 | AnduinLothar | can just make an addon to hold all you custom macros |
| 18:27.01 | MoonWolf | half my macro's are function calls to a custom addon with code snippets. |
| 18:27.12 | Kirov | Abenadi - when you start getting to bag / paper doll searches, it's better to make an addon for it. |
| 18:27.32 | Kirov | The code required takes up way too much of the 256 characters for anything useful to be done with it. |
| 18:27.56 | AnduinLothar | or make something in luasligner and put that page execution in a macro |
| 18:28.15 | Kirov | Or SuperMacro if you want to be minorly lazy |
| 18:29.17 | Maldivia | a horde mage on PTR PvE :) |
| 18:29.59 | Maldivia | Ohh, you create [Conjured Crystal Water]x10 |
| 18:30.03 | Maldivia | never seen the x10 before |
| 18:30.13 | MoonWolf | Its new |
| 18:30.16 | MoonWolf | read the patch notes |
| 18:30.19 | Abenadi[FoF] | /cast Desperate Prayer |
| 18:30.19 | Abenadi[FoF] | /script function useitm(ss) i=GetContainerItemLink n=GetContainerNumSlots u=UseContainerItem for b=0,4 do for s=1,n(b) do if string.find(i(b,s), ss) then u(b,s) end end end end useitm("healths"); useitm("health p"); |
| 18:30.25 | Abenadi[FoF] | 237 characters =P |
| 18:30.50 | Abenadi[FoF] | i guess i wouldn't need to do the aliases now that it calls the function |
| 18:31.13 | Maldivia | making it local would have been more nice |
| 18:31.33 | Abenadi[FoF] | can i do that? someone said global only if its in a macro |
| 18:31.58 | Maldivia | /script local useitm=function(ss) blabla end useitm("healths") |
| 18:32.04 | Abenadi[FoF] | okay |
| 18:32.13 | Maldivia | the same with the vars inside the function |
| 18:32.45 | Abenadi[FoF] | yeah |
| 18:32.49 | Maldivia | local i,n,u=GetContainerItemLink,GetContainerNumSlots,UseContainerItem |
| 18:33.05 | Abenadi[FoF] | well i don't have to define those any more, now that its a function |
| 18:33.35 | Maldivia | yeah, why would you define them anyway, since you only use them once :) |
| 18:33.37 | Abenadi[FoF] | but should i localize the "for i=" or are variables defined by a loop automatically local? |
| 18:33.52 | Abenadi[FoF] | maldivia: i originally tried to just do the thing twice instead of using a function |
| 18:33.57 | Maldivia | for loop variables are automatically local |
| 18:34.00 | Abenadi[FoF] | ok |
| 18:35.27 | Maldivia | a simple example: i = 123 for i = 1, 10 do print(i) end print(i) -- will print 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,123 |
| 18:37.11 | Abenadi[FoF] | i see, thank you |
| 18:39.25 | Maldivia | ok, these pregen mages have sick +damage :) |
| 18:41.41 | Maldivia | or well, 150 more than my mage :| |
| 18:42.52 | Abenadi[FoF] | how much is that? |
| 18:43.15 | Maldivia | my frostbolts are hitting for 1050... and the premades are arcane/fire specced :) |
| 18:44.37 | Maldivia | Might of Menethil... shiny... |
| 18:44.56 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=383631 |
| 18:47.58 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 18:48.08 | Maldivia | grr... |
| 18:48.13 | Maldivia | stupid PTR server... |
| 18:48.39 | Maldivia | I haev yet to reach LHC, I've been disconnected and rolled back to UC 3 times now :) |
| 18:50.24 | AnduinLothar | :) i got 'Karl' as my ptr name |
| 18:50.47 | Tain | I haven't gotten in to verify for myself but just read that Rogue Vanish is broken, doesn't turn off auto-attack when you vanish so you break it immediately. |
| 18:51.00 | AnduinLothar | but Anduinlothar was taken.. |
| 18:51.01 | MoonWolf | that is pretty bad. |
| 18:51.14 | Maldivia | Maldivia was taken aswell, so I used my forum name instead :) |
| 18:51.23 | Tain | That name taken stuff is nonsense. |
| 18:51.38 | Tain | I know some of the names I tried weren't taken, and weren't against the naming rules. |
| 18:51.43 | Tain | There's something else going on there. |
| 18:51.48 | Tain | I call shenanigans! |
| 18:53.21 | Maldivia | lol, 100 or so corpses at LHC |
| 18:53.50 | Maldivia | and even more players |
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| 19:02.21 | AnduinLothar | oi EasyRaid eats it on test |
| 19:08.47 | AnduinLothar | outhouse quest key and relic coffer keys don't go in the keyring :( |
| 19:08.59 | Cide | hmm, question |
| 19:09.15 | Cide | has CreateFrame inheritance been patched in yet (on PTR)? |
| 19:10.23 | AnduinLothar | no idea |
| 19:10.23 | AnduinLothar | oh sweet, my keyring is draggable :D guess that means my code i wrote a year ago was abstracted enough |
| 19:11.21 | Kirov | lol |
| 19:11.47 | AnduinLothar | HOT! the the ZG rewad epics are stat buffed too... sexy |
| 19:15.29 | AnduinLothar | like +1 to each stat and +healing |
| 19:16.03 | AnduinLothar | belts got buffed more than the bracers |
| 19:16.27 | AnduinLothar | interesting set... +healing and agil/str/int/sta |
| 19:16.41 | Codayus | ZG set still doesn't thrill me, but I'm glad its there. |
| 19:16.57 | AnduinLothar | the chests have always been good |
| 19:17.10 | Codayus | Oh, yeah, once exception - I WANT THE PRIEST SHOULDERS. |
| 19:17.12 | Codayus | zomg |
| 19:17.16 | AnduinLothar | i used the other 2 for pvp cause they're like the only pally gear with agil |
| 19:17.17 | Codayus | :-) |
| 19:17.39 | Codayus | Yeah, the set mostly seems much more hybrid/pvp focused, but those shoulders completely own prophecy. |
| 19:18.24 | Codayus | One of the set bonuses is a reduction in mind control casting time; another increases the range on smite. Uh...yay? But the shoulders rock. |
| 19:19.12 | Codayus | The AQ20 blue armor got a stat upgrade too. |
| 19:20.14 | Codayus | (The set armor, that is. And are now epic.) |
| 19:20.28 | Codayus | Also, why won't the damn char copy page work? |
| 19:20.46 | End | because it is hateful |
| 19:20.57 | Codayus | End: Current evidence supports your conclusion. |
| 19:20.57 | End | I was gonna say because it hates you, but it hates me too :( |
| 19:21.09 | End | so it's just all around hateful |
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| 19:39.07 | AnduinLothar | pvp ptr world server srashed |
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| 19:44.45 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Argh I hate my internet connection |
| 19:44.57 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I just goes slow, fast, slow, fast, slow, fast... |
| 19:46.26 | kremonte | wow, it takes 30 secs to make a philosophers stone |
| 19:46.32 | kremonte | i'm bored already:( |
| 19:46.38 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 19:47.13 | kremonte | yay, i can transmoot |
| 19:50.36 | kremonte | haha, i'm making money off of buying silk on the AH, making them into bandages and vendoring :D |
| 19:51.05 | Kaso | man how cheap is silk on your ah? |
| 19:52.06 | Shouryuu|Crazy | yeah lol |
| 19:52.17 | kremonte | 30s a stack |
| 19:52.21 | kremonte | they were 50 the other day |
| 19:52.36 | kremonte | 1 stack of heavy bandaids = 80s, which means 40s per stack of cloth |
| 19:52.38 | kremonte | :D |
| 19:52.44 | kremonte | and i'm doing this while waiting to open lockboxes for $ |
| 19:53.04 | Kaso | how much does the plain silk vendor for? |
| 19:53.33 | kremonte | iono |
| 19:53.35 | kremonte | maybe like 1/3 that |
| 19:53.40 | kremonte | not much tho |
| 19:54.30 | Kaso | 30s /stack |
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| 19:55.06 | kremonte | oh |
| 19:55.10 | kremonte | lol, vendor price on ah |
| 19:55.20 | Kaso | fools |
| 19:58.55 | Maldivia | kremonte ? |
| 20:03.52 | Maldivia | Ok, the Corrupted Ashbringer is really nice... |
| 20:04.00 | Legorol | 7300 queue on test realm :( *sigh* |
| 20:04.07 | Legorol | and the other realm (non-copy one) isn't up |
| 20:04.09 | Maldivia | I like the procs on it :) |
| 20:04.23 | Legorol | how's one supposed to prod the game at this rate.. |
| 20:05.25 | Maldivia | no idea |
| 20:05.54 | Maldivia | instance server isn't up anyway (from what I could tell) |
| 20:06.17 | Maldivia | world server goes down every 14 minutes or so |
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| 20:14.40 | AnduinLothar | oo, they changed the color of the bank :) you can tell the bags apart now |
| 20:18.22 | Maldivia | yep |
| 20:18.41 | Maldivia | and the bags now scale down, so there's room for all of them, when you're in the bank |
| 20:23.26 | Gryphen | color change was last patch wasnt it? |
| 20:23.54 | AnduinLothar | dont think so.. |
| 20:24.49 | Gryphen | 1.10, i have diff colored bags |
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| 20:26.49 | ToastTheif | anyone know how to link items in macros? |
| 20:27.19 | AnduinLothar | bleh |
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| 20:28.55 | Kaso | toasttheif |
| 20:29.04 | Kaso | i wrote a guide about this lemme find a link |
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| 20:29.27 | Gryphen | ya 1.9 introduced the bag bgcolor change |
| 20:30.04 | ToastTheif | mmk |
| 20:30.11 | AnduinLothar | <-- noob |
| 20:30.44 | Kaso | ToastTheif http://ui.worldofwar.net/macros.php?id=120 |
| 20:30.54 | ToastTheif | thanks |
| 20:32.13 | Kaso | np lemme know if it helps |
| 20:34.19 | ToastTheif | hmm |
| 20:34.27 | ToastTheif | gonna take a long time to get this setup for my self lol |
| 20:35.08 | ToastTheif | aren't there some mods that do it? |
| 20:35.16 | Kaso | prob never looked |
| 20:35.31 | ToastTheif | I'll check that first |
| 20:35.38 | ToastTheif | because Im *lazy* |
| 20:46.09 | Maldivia | netcurse ? |
| 20:46.35 | netcurse | Evening |
| 20:47.06 | Maldivia | Suggestion for your items db: add cooldown information, for items with a Use |
| 20:47.38 | netcurse | Thanks |
| 20:47.44 | netcurse | wait i ask zinor |
| 20:47.49 | netcurse | he jsut woke up :P |
| 20:48.06 | netcurse | he said it was in his todo :) |
| 20:48.07 | netcurse | but thanks |
| 20:48.13 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:50.12 | AnduinLothar | holy shield is cool |
| 20:50.20 | AnduinLothar | cool down = durration |
| 20:50.28 | Elkano | add an option to have your client cache that item... or wait, can't do that :( |
| 20:50.30 | Maldivia | which holy shoeld? |
| 20:50.40 | AnduinLothar | prot 31 pt |
| 20:51.06 | Maldivia | Elkano: in theory, you could :) |
| 20:51.12 | Maldivia | AnduinLothar: ohh, ok |
| 20:51.34 | Elkano | yes, but not THAT easy :) |
| 20:51.58 | AnduinLothar | adds 30% block for 10s or 5 blocks, returns 130 holy damage on block which has 20% extra threat gen |
| 20:52.10 | Maldivia | Elkano: actually, it's THAT easy :) |
| 20:52.15 | Elkano | and there's still a chance that you put in outdated data or mess up your files completly |
| 20:52.17 | AnduinLothar | on top of my 36% unbuffed chance to block |
| 20:52.37 | AnduinLothar | 66% chance to block when ever i want it |
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| 20:56.00 | AnduinLothar | lol with tankadin spec i'm flipping invincible |
| 20:57.26 | Maldivia | ok, Naxx has some totally overpowered items... |
| 20:57.47 | Elkano | btw: what's that offhand offhand called? |
| 20:58.01 | Cide | overpowered compared to what? other naxx items? :) |
| 20:58.41 | Maldivia | Kingsfall, dagger, 105-158 @ 1.8, 73.1dps, +16agi, +1% crit, +1% hit |
| 20:59.04 | Cide | yeah, from kel'thuzad |
| 20:59.17 | Cide | that is, one tier above Dark Edge of Insanity, heh |
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| 20:59.54 | Maldivia | well, I'm just hoping it's alliance on my server that gets it... |
| 21:01.10 | Maldivia | with that, and then a death's sting in off-hand... |
| 21:01.50 | grimman | *grumble* My minimap doesn't remember the zoomstate after login/logout. |
| 21:07.18 | Kaso | speaking of minimaps my (-) button remains clickable at max zoom (it scrolls me to min zoom) is that default behavour or a addon bug? |
| 21:09.37 | Maldivia | addon bug |
| 21:10.04 | Kaso | bah, now that means i have to track down which one it is and im lazy :< |
| 21:10.58 | Maldivia | hmm, I actually like the look of Frostfire on a gnome... |
| 21:11.17 | Maldivia | although, I don't see the "fire" in the textures... |
| 21:11.20 | Maldivia | I see the frost |
| 21:22.26 | Maldivia | Cide, you're a priest, right? |
| 21:23.41 | Cide | yep |
| 21:24.08 | Maldivia | seen the new +healing wand? |
| 21:24.40 | Maldivia | just stumbled upon a 113.7dps wand, with +10 int, +9 spirit and +22 healing |
| 21:25.11 | Kaso | thats good, this game needs more healer wands imo |
| 21:25.26 | Cide | Wand of the Whispering Dead? |
| 21:25.28 | Maldivia | yep |
| 21:25.32 | Cide | yeah, it's sweet |
| 21:25.39 | Cide | finally an upgrade from my Dragon Finger of Healing |
| 21:26.20 | Maldivia | hehe |
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| 21:29.09 | Kaso | these combat quests are going to drive me mad |
| 21:29.29 | End | moo |
| 21:29.54 | ckknight | baa |
| 21:30.16 | Maldivia | lol... BSD/MIT vs GPL discussion... |
| 21:30.21 | ckknight | BSD wins. |
| 21:30.26 | ckknight | where |
| 21:30.27 | ckknight | ? |
| 21:30.36 | Maldivia | how can it even be discussed, it's 2 totally different open source approaches |
| 21:31.05 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:31.07 | ckknight | yea... |
| 21:31.18 | zenzelezz | when have people ever let obvious contradictions get in the way of an argument? =D |
| 21:31.31 | Maldivia | " is being held in ##copyleft at 22:35 UTC (17:35 EST) " |
| 21:31.46 | Tain | It's really more a philosophical discussion on open source software ideals overall. |
| 21:32.13 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:32.45 | Shouryuu|Crazy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.56 | Maldivia | why hate? |
| 21:33.11 | End | I just want to release my goddamn source and stop worrying about it ;p |
| 21:33.18 | End | That |
| 21:33.20 | End | er |
| 21:33.23 | End | That is my stance |
| 21:33.44 | End | interesting |
| 21:33.52 | Tain | It's when someone takes your source and sells it that you'll be upset. :) |
| 21:33.55 | End | I can't copy a premade char, but it looks like I can copy an existing |
| 21:34.02 | Maldivia | hmm, how dependant are hunters on a high max damage on their guns? |
| 21:34.30 | Kirov | not really |
| 21:34.37 | Kirov | well, for pve |
| 21:34.44 | MoonWolf | hunter are pretty consistent damage dealers. |
| 21:34.56 | Maldivia | looking at the Toxic Injector, 68-128 @ 2.00, 49.0 dps, +10 stam, +28 AP |
| 21:35.01 | Cide | for big numbers maybe |
| 21:35.05 | Kirov | pvp hunters like high dmg ranges for high aimed shot crits |
| 21:35.27 | Cide | but in pve, it's all about consistency! |
| 21:35.35 | Maldivia | highest dps I've seen on a gun |
| 21:35.38 | MoonWolf | Yeah |
| 21:35.46 | Cide | the crossbow is pretty nice |
| 21:37.10 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Maldivia I'm very jealous... |
| 21:37.16 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: ohh, hehe :) |
| 21:37.35 | Cide | that is, http://ctprofiles.net/items.ct?i=22812 |
| 21:38.23 | Kirov | do we have the gun yet? |
| 21:39.09 | Maldivia | wow... that's... inasane! |
| 21:39.10 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/items.ct?i=22810 <- toxic injector |
| 21:39.52 | Kirov | high 40s to high 50s? |
| 21:39.55 | Kirov | that's quite a leap |
| 21:40.24 | Cide | not sure if toxic injector is in naxx or not, actually |
| 21:40.25 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Man my gear sucks so bad |
| 21:40.28 | Maldivia | Ashjre'thul has 45.6 dps, and 186 max damage... |
| 21:40.29 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Being a noob is no fun |
| 21:40.32 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/items.ct?i=22798 <- pretty hot :) |
| 21:40.45 | Cide | Shouryuu|Crazy: what's your gear? |
| 21:41.11 | Kirov | min-max damage from the base weapon speed isn't that important |
| 21:41.11 | Maldivia | Cide: it's... shiny! |
| 21:41.22 | Kirov | it's the min-max off of the 2.8 speed that is |
| 21:41.23 | Cide | :) |
| 21:42.13 | Maldivia | ... Shiny ones... |
| 21:42.32 | Maldivia | ... hmm, I need to replay ToB... |
| 21:43.38 | Maldivia | Cide: you only have equipment in your db, or other items aswell? |
| 21:43.45 | Cide | equipment |
| 21:43.49 | Maldivia | OK |
| 21:43.54 | Cide | we wanted to keep the size of the db as small as possible |
| 21:47.18 | ckknight | I don't like the debate in ##copyleft |
| 21:47.48 | MoonWolf | what is it about ? |
| 21:48.41 | ckknight | GPL vs. BSD |
| 21:49.00 | kremonte | rofl |
| 21:49.06 | kremonte | http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i247/simmion_2006/Pic2coverpage.jpg |
| 21:49.09 | kremonte | look at the damage |
| 21:49.46 | Maldivia | he was unlucky and had noone near him to share the damage with... |
| 21:50.07 | ckknight | 10515 |
| 21:50.09 | kremonte | does that make it any less awesome |
| 21:50.10 | kremonte | ? |
| 21:50.14 | kremonte | ckknight: with partial resist XD |
| 21:50.50 | Maldivia | Meteor damage is equally shared with closeby players, so if they wre 10 where it hit, they would have been hit by 1051dmg each |
| 21:50.58 | End | hmm, swiftmend seems like a fairly nice skill |
| 21:51.06 | kremonte | quiet Maldivia |
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| 21:51.23 | End | it's most useful if you are healing a single target though |
| 21:51.55 | Maldivia | let it HoT run for 14 secs on the tank, and then cast it as it's about to fad... |
| 21:52.04 | Abenadi[FoF] | all the other meteor abilities are 'split' between nearby players... |
| 21:52.18 | Maldivia | kremonte: quiet.. why? |
| 21:52.51 | kremonte | you and your... "facts" |
| 21:52.53 | kremonte | pfft |
| 21:53.35 | Maldivia | The spell description reads: Do damage divided up evenly among all affected targets |
| 21:55.01 | Abenadi[FoF] | right |
| 21:55.07 | zenzelezz | so kill the low-staminaers first, then the tanks? |
| 21:55.13 | Maldivia | the person taking a screenshot if that damage, just shows he's never been to the middle of AQ40 :) |
| 21:55.17 | Abenadi[FoF] | so if one person is hit for 1051, 10 players get hit for 105 each |
| 21:55.21 | Abenadi[FoF] | "divided up evenly" |
| 21:55.33 | Kirov | Maldivia - or end of AQ20 |
| 21:55.45 | Abenadi[FoF] | uhhh nevermind i see now that's what you were saying in the first place : P |
| 21:55.47 | Maldivia | hmm, yeah :) |
| 21:56.04 | Abenadi[FoF] | reading comprehension FTW |
| 21:56.31 | zenzelezz | if all else fails, you can just toss a TLDR |
| 21:57.20 | Maldivia | so if the entire raid of 40 people are all within a 8 yard radius, they'll only get hit by around 400 damage each |
| 21:58.10 | Maldivia | so you have the choice, spread out, and let people die one by one, or clumb together, and all take damage, but not very much |
| 22:01.18 | kremonte | he wasn't taking an ss of the damage |
| 22:01.30 | kremonte | his guild has cthun on farm |
| 22:01.40 | kremonte | if you look at the main site, http://excessiveguild.net/ |
| 22:01.47 | kremonte | pic1: mograine targetted, "lez do eet" |
| 22:01.56 | kremonte | pic2: mograine at 98% and the group getting mutilated |
| 22:02.03 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 22:02.11 | kremonte | theyre in death and taxes, btw |
| 22:02.15 | kremonte | one of the ... better guilds =p |
| 22:02.55 | Maldivia | well, taken out of context, it looks like a screenshot of the damage |
| 22:03.44 | kremonte | thats why they call it context =p |
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| 22:37.12 | zespri_work | test |
| 22:38.01 | Cairenn | fail |
| 22:41.42 | ckknight | ~pet zespri_work |
| 22:41.43 | purl | ACTION reaches over and pets zespri_work on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
| 22:45.09 | Kirkburn | Ahoy hoy! Care to take a look at the all-new WoWWiki Rumoured Races page I made :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Rumoured_Races_Test_By_Kirkburn |
| 22:49.49 | zenzelezz | looks nice |
| 22:50.00 | Kirov | but why? |
| 22:50.13 | zenzelezz | should put "might melt and vaporize in certain zones" on the ice trolls |
| 22:50.37 | Kirkburn | But why what, Kirov? :) |
| 22:51.06 | Kirov | you should add "Draenei" on there with in green "Announced by blizzard to be the new race." and in red "Blizzard changes their minds a lo" |
| 22:51.26 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 22:51.51 | Kirov | or "Who would be stupid enough to make a corporeal race decendence of a demon race?" |
| 22:52.46 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:53.48 | Kirkburn | Some of the stuff on there is stupid - I tried to clean it up a little bit :/ |
| 22:54.25 | Kirkburn | It got so bad, one of the main people working on the wiki left |
| 22:54.41 | Kirkburn | But anyway ... Two Men and a Shark, coming to a cinema near you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yHyxeju1U |
| 22:56.19 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:56.34 | Kirkburn | Aaaand ... if you love cats (like me!), you'll love this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCdoXIlKMw |
| 22:57.15 | Shouryuu|Crazy | kremonte lol Murlocs: - Evil, ganking bastards. |
| 22:57.37 | Kirov | there's a bunch of trailers out there for movies that make it look like a completely different movie from the actual movie. It was part of some competition, and I think they've been slowly leaking on to the web |
| 22:57.37 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, er, I added that one ;) |
| 22:57.57 | Kirkburn | I felt Murlocs had to have *some* bad quality ... |
| 22:57.57 | Shouryuu|Crazy | oh sorry, thought Kremonte had link that page :p |
| 22:58.02 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 22:58.53 | Kirkburn | Kirov, if you find any links, do tell :) |
| 23:01.06 | Cairenn | oh my ... so bad, probably really shouldn't share it, but ... |
| 23:01.15 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM&dpos=1 |
| 23:03.35 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:03.44 | Kirov | current tv, they downstairs from me |
| 23:04.54 | Kirov | If I jump up and down a lot I can piss off their animators. |
| 23:06.10 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 23:13.12 | End | oh, heh, my druid doesn't even have innervate now :P |
| 23:13.18 | End | just realized I have to train it still |
| 23:13.20 | End | (on PTR) |
| 23:20.00 | ckknight | lol, Cairenn |
| 23:21.12 | Cairenn | I usually try to avoid political commentary when I'm in this channel and stuff, but that just needed to be shared :p |
| 23:29.02 | Kirkburn | My poor country *sniffle* |
| 23:29.27 | Kirkburn | Who indeed would want to live in england? |
| 23:30.04 | Kirkburn | uhhh |
| 23:30.37 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 23:30.53 | Kirkburn | meow |
| 23:32.07 | End | meow |
| 23:32.08 | AnduinLothar | so i checked out tanking spec with pally on test |
| 23:32.23 | AnduinLothar | it's faily entertaining, but not very flexible |
| 23:32.48 | AnduinLothar | I can basicly outlast and kill any melee class |
| 23:33.31 | AnduinLothar | and I have massive mitigation, but not too many hit points (mostly cause i don't have a full tank set of gear) |
| 23:34.02 | Kirkburn | Sounds fun :) |
| 23:34.43 | AnduinLothar | i can kill hunters, rogues and warriors with ease one handing, even though i don't do much more than 200 damage, I can use a fast weapon and with rightiousness, crusader and fury i can holy agro fairly well |
| 23:35.22 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 23:35.37 | Shouryuu|Crazy | quoted from Seven "Oh god, somebody call somebody!" |
| 23:35.52 | AnduinLothar | I really would like to try an mc boss or two to see if that's even possible with 66% block, 11% parry and 10% dodge with 4k hp |
| 23:36.14 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I wish I'd rolled a pally instead of a priest |
| 23:36.34 | Shouryuu|Crazy | As much healing but hell, so much more armor |
| 23:36.48 | AnduinLothar | basicly it would end up, block, block, block, parry dodge, 4k hit, block, parry, parry, block, block, 3k |
| 23:36.59 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 23:38.00 | AnduinLothar | it's so funny soloign in silithus, because I'm nearly invincible 1v1 with any mob |
| 23:38.11 | AnduinLothar | but it takes forever to kill things |
| 23:38.16 | Kirkburn | When do rogues get stealth? |
| 23:38.23 | Kirkburn | You don't start with it do you? |
| 23:39.09 | grimman | http://vgcats.com/comics/images/060520.jpg << lol |
| 23:39.23 | AnduinLothar | i get 2nd or 3rd healing meters atm with zero points in holy... with holy I can beat out priests with ease unless they spam prayer |
| 23:39.54 | Kirkburn | (nvm my question, you have to learn it for 10cp at lvl 1) |
| 23:40.00 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Healing meters don't mean much :P |
| 23:40.09 | grimman | Kirkburn: Early, before you leave the starting zone I think. |
| 23:40.21 | Kirkburn | grimman, I've never understood the last two panels of the comic |
| 23:40.34 | AnduinLothar | they do when i have 30% over heal and the priests have >60% |
| 23:40.58 | Kirkburn | s/the c/that c/ |
| 23:41.09 | Kirkburn | Who is Raiden? |
| 23:41.11 | AnduinLothar | but healign puts me to sleep |
| 23:41.18 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 23:41.21 | AnduinLothar | it's so easy as a pally |
| 23:41.26 | AnduinLothar | i spam flash |
| 23:41.30 | grimman | Some Metal Gear char I assume. |
| 23:41.36 | AnduinLothar | ont he lowest or 2nd lowest target |
| 23:42.14 | AnduinLothar | 90% of my heals land |
| 23:42.27 | AnduinLothar | and heal them before the priest finishes casting |
| 23:42.55 | AnduinLothar | only thing that would make the pally a better heal would be an instant cast |
| 23:43.22 | AnduinLothar | we have no 30 min kool down 'oh crap the mt is at 20%' heal |
| 23:43.32 | Shouryuu|Crazy | We have PWS |
| 23:43.40 | AnduinLothar | we have shield too |
| 23:43.51 | Shouryuu|Crazy | You do? |
| 23:43.55 | AnduinLothar | not good for mt, but way better for casters |
| 23:44.14 | AnduinLothar | it's full physical immunity |
| 23:44.15 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I've never played alliance so I have no idea |
| 23:44.30 | AnduinLothar | and they can't physical attack |
| 23:44.37 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Ahhh |
| 23:44.41 | AnduinLothar | but can cast and recieve magic damge |
| 23:44.47 | Shouryuu|Crazy | That is indeed useless for a mt :P |
| 23:45.02 | AnduinLothar | so you pop it on a mage and they aoe the crap out of things while being invincible |
| 23:45.06 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Never knew that existed... |
| 23:45.08 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehehe |
| 23:45.14 | Shouryuu|Crazy | What's the CD on it? |
| 23:45.28 | AnduinLothar | 5min, 3min with tallents |
| 23:45.32 | Shouryuu|Crazy | wow |
| 23:45.36 | Shouryuu|Crazy | That's badass |
| 23:45.40 | AnduinLothar | it is |
| 23:45.51 | AnduinLothar | plus we have out own 5min all immunity |
| 23:45.58 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Aye |
| 23:45.59 | AnduinLothar | 5m cooldown |
| 23:46.14 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Man I really want a pally :P |
| 23:46.23 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Just can't be bothered to lvl to 60 |
| 23:46.29 | AnduinLothar | plus we have salvation 30% less agrop buff |
| 23:46.36 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Yeah that's nice |
| 23:46.44 | AnduinLothar | so we're the best class at controlling other people's agro |
| 23:46.51 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Salvation + subtely = <3 from the priests |
| 23:47.40 | AnduinLothar | and with tallented fury, we do 100% more threat with holy damage which has no resistance |
| 23:48.08 | AnduinLothar | so if I am spec'd for it I can steal agro from anyone |
| 23:48.15 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 23:48.37 | AnduinLothar | i haven't tested really how good we are tanks yet tho |
| 23:48.48 | Shouryuu|Crazy | You on PTR? |
| 23:48.55 | AnduinLothar | pvp, aye |
| 23:49.38 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I bless that talent price decrease change |
| 23:49.52 | AnduinLothar | i love pally. the major draw back ( which actually makes it a fun challenge for me) is that we're gear dependant. we can be good at almost anythign if we gear for it |
| 23:49.55 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Finally I'm going to be able to just change spec once in a while just for the fun of it |
| 23:50.13 | AnduinLothar | so i have liek 5 full sets of gear |
| 23:50.19 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 23:50.37 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu|Crazy, did you say you've never played alliance? I've at least *attempted* a shaman :P |
| 23:50.52 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Well I have a lvl 1 pally on Draka :P |
| 23:50.58 | Kirkburn | He's still in Crossroads ... |
| 23:51.04 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 23:51.05 | Kirkburn | Go lvl, noob! |
| 23:51.12 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I don't have the game!!! |
| 23:51.17 | Kirkburn | Oh, wait, yeah |
| 23:51.23 | Kirkburn | Why is that again? |
| 23:51.28 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Studies ftl |
| 23:51.39 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I get distracted by IRC imagine how I'd be if I had WoW |
| 23:51.58 | Kirkburn | True ... I've managed to avoid playing, but ... uh ... IRC is distracting me instead |
| 23:52.14 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Yeah |
| 23:52.16 | Shouryuu|Crazy | and if it's not IRC |
| 23:52.21 | Shouryuu|Crazy | it's the WoW Forums |
| 23:52.27 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:52.35 | Shouryuu|Crazy | If it's not that, then it's some other forum from some other useless place :P |
| 23:52.51 | AnduinLothar | dps, fr dps, healing, fr healing, nature, pure fr, pvp/soloing, riding gear, 2h dps weapon, 2h healign weapon, 1h healing shield, 1h tanking shield, and half a tanking set |
| 23:53.20 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 23:53.26 | AnduinLothar | = zero bag space |
| 23:53.46 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Well I'm off to bed |
| 23:53.49 | Shouryuu|Crazy | night folks |
| 23:56.21 | grimman | Gnuh... friends wants me to play Counter-Strike. |
| 23:56.28 | AnduinLothar | ew |
| 23:56.32 | grimman | Yeah. |
| 23:56.37 | grimman | Gib FEAR or Halo. |
| 23:56.47 | grimman | Or goto(hell); |
