| 00:01.20 | danonlinedotnet | Right, but I'm guessing other people would benefit if it were. :) |
| 00:02.11 | Kirkburn | Why on earth would Draenei get zebras as a mount? They'd crush the poor things :/ |
| 00:02.44 | zenzelezz | saw a tauren on a wolf the other day... that looked wrong |
| 00:03.10 | Kirkburn | Uh, how? |
| 00:03.16 | zenzelezz | don't know how |
| 00:03.33 | Kirkburn | I thought the only one that could take them was the Baron's mount :/ |
| 00:03.36 | zenzelezz | I'm alliance so I didn't get to see if there were any friendly buff indications |
| 00:04.49 | Tain | Aren't wolves the default Orc mount? |
| 00:04.57 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 00:05.07 | Tain | You just have to get Exaulted with Orcs and you can get them then. |
| 00:05.23 | Miravlix | Isn't it AV wolves they can get? |
| 00:05.28 | Kirkburn | Lol, I just noticed Night Elves aren't included in the Intelligent Races category on WoWWiki ... humans, I might've expected :P |
| 00:05.28 | grimman | Nah, all wolves. |
| 00:05.34 | grimman | It was changed in a patch a while back. |
| 00:05.40 | Esamynn | lol Kirkburn |
| 00:05.45 | danonlinedotnet | :) |
| 00:06.37 | grimman | Kirkburn: Fix or die. |
| 00:06.40 | grimman | ;P |
| 00:06.45 | zenzelezz | "Races: Orc, Undead, Tauren, Troll" |
| 00:06.51 | Kirkburn | I'm working on the race pages atm |
| 00:06.54 | grimman | =) |
| 00:06.58 | zenzelezz | you can indeed get wolf mount as any race with exalted Orgrimmar |
| 00:07.18 | grimman | The patch notes said something about breeding a new stronger version of the wolf, bla bla. |
| 00:07.26 | danonlinedotnet | I guess this is techincally an interface question... does anybody know why the inspect menu item dims with range but /inspect works? |
| 00:07.26 | grimman | To be able to carry cows. |
| 00:07.39 | danonlinedotnet | (And yes, I know about goodinspect, superinspect, etc) |
| 00:08.08 | Iriel | danonlinedotnet : Because nobody got around to putting a range check into the inspect API |
| 00:08.16 | Iriel | it's an acknowledged oversight they might fix 'someday' |
| 00:08.20 | Esamynn | hey, anyone know anything about the 3 different Resurrection acceptance dialogs? |
| 00:08.32 | danonlinedotnet | So it's unintended that you can inspect people from beyond a certain range? |
| 00:09.01 | Iriel | It's accidental, yes |
| 00:09.09 | danonlinedotnet | I see. |
| 00:10.50 | Esamynn | oh interesting, there appears to be an undocumented API function here: ResurrectHasTimer() |
| 00:11.33 | Kirkburn | 3 different ones? |
| 00:11.51 | zenzelezz | regular, soul-stone and Darkmoon? |
| 00:12.06 | grimman | Shaman has self res too I believe. |
| 00:12.08 | Esamynn | Kirkburn, yes there are RESURRECT, RESURRECT_NO_SICKNESS and RESURRECT_NO_TIMER |
| 00:12.17 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 00:12.32 | Kirkburn | I've yet to come across Rez Sickness |
| 00:12.36 | Miravlix | ResurrectHasTimer is documented on wow wiki |
| 00:13.05 | Esamynn | the UIParent.lua code is pasted here: http://wow.pastebin.com/742068 |
| 00:13.07 | Kirkburn | NEs are now intelligent creatures :) |
| 00:13.21 | grimman | /cheer |
| 00:13.29 | grimman | Elune be praised! |
| 00:13.43 | Esamynn | Miravlix: its listed in the Global function list, but not on the API page |
| 00:14.03 | Miravlix | Thats documentation to me. :) |
| 00:14.04 | Esamynn | and there are no details about it at all |
| 00:14.11 | Miravlix | Lots of stuff don't have details |
| 00:14.13 | zenzelezz | I don't like having Arcane Brilliance cast on my... suddenly I get twice as smart and start thinking... is it really vey wise to let these guys keep pounding on me? |
| 00:14.19 | zenzelezz | *on me |
| 00:14.24 | Esamynn | but most API functions at at least listed on the API page :P |
| 00:14.36 | Esamynn | are at* |
| 00:15.16 | Miravlix | Naah, there is a handfull or more that isn't included in the list |
| 00:16.05 | Esamynn | Hmm, I have to assume that ResurrectHasTimer() would return false only for battle resurrections, anyone actually tested it? |
| 00:16.10 | Iriel | That's because at around 1.9 or so I got REALLY busy at work and couldn't keep up, sorry |
| 00:16.21 | Esamynn | no worries |
| 00:17.50 | Esamynn | sigh, the name of the event PLAYER_ALIVE bugs me, how is a ghost considered alive? |
| 00:17.59 | Iriel | it can move? |
| 00:18.09 | zenzelezz | you're in control of the character or something |
| 00:18.15 | Esamynn | I suppose |
| 00:18.20 | grimman | Esamynn: You have 1 hp as a ghost. ,P |
| 00:20.23 | Esamynn | it would make more sense to me if PLAYER_ALIVE fired when the player can back to live completely, and that there was an event called PLAYER_GHOST that fired when you became a ghost instead of PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 00:20.27 | Esamynn | oh well |
| 00:21.03 | Cide | does PLAYER_ALIVE fire from Ghost -> Resurrected? |
| 00:21.41 | Esamynn | not sure, I've not tested it when being resurrected while NOT zoning, it always fires when you zone |
| 00:22.25 | Esamynn | even if you were fully alive before zoning |
| 00:27.03 | grimman | Makes some sort of sense I guess... but you can't zone while "dead" anyway, can you? So it s a bit redundant... |
| 00:27.29 | Esamynn | different events, different purposes |
| 00:27.35 | zenzelezz | zoning how? Like when entering instances in ghost form? |
| 00:27.42 | Esamynn | PLAYER_ALIVE fires when you are resurrected before releasing fore |
| 00:27.53 | grimman | zenzelezz: In the sense that you're still "alive" as a ghost, yes. |
| 00:27.54 | Esamynn | s/fore/ / |
| 00:27.59 | Esamynn | ack |
| 00:28.00 | Esamynn | nm |
| 00:28.07 | Thrae | Haha, I already got some bad comments for my simple little mod Reported! |
| 00:28.24 | Esamynn | Thrae: hmm? |
| 00:28.27 | grimman | Thrae: I gave it a 5-rating just because of that shitty comment. |
| 00:28.41 | grimman | And the fact that I find the report procedure annoying. |
| 00:29.06 | Thrae | Esamynn: It tries to make the GM reporting feature simplier ;) |
| 00:29.17 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 00:29.26 | Esamynn | link? |
| 00:29.27 | Thrae | Esamynn: www.wowinterface.com, it's on the right-side |
| 00:29.42 | grimman | Hm. |
| 00:29.52 | grimman | Front pages are scary. |
| 00:29.54 | Esamynn | wait, did WoWI remove the Screenshot requirement? |
| 00:29.57 | grimman | RSS feeds ftw. ^^ |
| 00:30.17 | Thrae | Stand-alone addons do not need a screenshot because they're, uhh, standalone. Meaning they have no GUI ;) |
| 00:30.35 | grimman | Standalone ~= GUI-less. |
| 00:30.41 | zenzelezz | I don't get that... stand-alone means no requirement |
| 00:30.52 | Thrae | Then why does standalone have no image requirement? |
| 00:30.59 | zenzelezz | *no dependencies |
| 00:31.06 | Esamynn | Thrae: in the past WoWI required that you upload a screenshot along with all AddOns |
| 00:31.13 | Esamynn | I guess they lifted that at some point |
| 00:31.19 | Thrae | Esamynn: They still do for the other catagories |
| 00:31.34 | Thrae | Maybe they lifted it just for Standalone? |
| 00:32.09 | Thrae | Anyway, the entire point of Reported! is to give a slash command interface to GM reporting, so a pic would be silly. |
| 00:32.24 | Esamynn | aye, but they still required it |
| 00:32.49 | Iriel | Use my "This Is Not An Image" image if you want |
| 00:32.50 | Thrae | Maybe they were tired of the many people upload an image which says "No Picture" like I do ;) |
| 00:33.05 | Esamynn | Iriel: I do 8) |
| 00:33.21 | Iriel | Their worry is that making it too easy not to upload an image will mean some authors dont upload one when it would be useful |
| 00:33.41 | Esamynn | yah, it does make sense in that light |
| 00:34.33 | Esamynn | ok, is there any function that returns the AFK status of the player (besides who, Raid and guild functions), i've searched, but haven't found one |
| 00:34.48 | Iriel | No |
| 00:35.03 | Esamynn | k, I seemed to remember that being asked in the past and that being the answer |
| 00:35.05 | Iriel | This appears to be deliberate, since it's requested repeatedly |
| 00:35.47 | Esamynn | I wonder why |
| 00:35.55 | Esamynn | maybe i'm not evil enough ;) |
| 00:36.40 | grimman | Wehehell... turns out I downloaded the wrong english(!) patch for FEAR. 400 megs on 0.5mbit connection = omfg, wasted time. |
| 00:36.41 | AnduinLothar | aww, we scared all the horde away |
| 00:36.50 | AnduinLothar | it's AB weekend and it's 45min queues |
| 00:37.02 | AnduinLothar | we started off with 3 5 caps |
| 00:37.23 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: pre-made group? |
| 00:37.32 | AnduinLothar | guild grp with ZG buff |
| 00:37.37 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 00:37.49 | Esamynn | it's it about to wear off? |
| 00:37.56 | AnduinLothar | we rebuffed |
| 00:37.57 | Esamynn | I remember you stared with that a while ago |
| 00:38.00 | Esamynn | LOL |
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| 00:38.16 | Esamynn | saving Hearts were you? |
| 00:38.30 | AnduinLothar | we farm hakkar like 2x a week |
| 00:38.44 | AnduinLothar | so i got my ZHC finally :) |
| 00:38.54 | Esamynn | grats |
| 00:39.03 | Esamynn | what class are you? |
| 00:39.12 | AnduinLothar | had the heart for liek 2 weeks |
| 00:39.15 | AnduinLothar | pally |
| 00:40.12 | AnduinLothar | ZHC + Briarwood Reed = sexy |
| 00:40.21 | Esamynn | too bad the ZHC is being slightly nerfed, oh well |
| 00:40.27 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 00:40.40 | AnduinLothar | but i got it early so now i can whine about it |
| 00:41.09 | Esamynn | haha, i've had it for a couple months, I immediately edited my NS macro to use it if possible |
| 00:41.47 | AnduinLothar | I'm gonna go reinstal critline |
| 00:42.14 | AnduinLothar | and i respec'd ret/holy this week so my flash crits are already over 1k in healing gear |
| 00:43.28 | Esamynn | HMM, now why doesn't UIParent hide the RESURRECT_NO_TIMER dialog on the PLAYER_ALIVE event |
| 00:43.44 | Esamynn | maybe combat resurection requests carry over through a spirit release |
| 00:44.57 | Thrae | Yes, Combat Ressurection requests persist even after aggro from the fight has been lost after a wipe. |
| 00:45.11 | Thrae | If you time it right, it's like a Soulstone / Reincarnation. |
| 00:45.32 | Esamynn | no no, though a sprit release, IE, you become a ghost |
| 00:45.49 | Thrae | I think it still does, since I know regular ressurection does. |
| 00:46.35 | Esamynn | no, it doesn't |
| 00:47.17 | Thrae | Really? I can ressurect people on my Druid even if they've released, after combat. |
| 00:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't suppose there's any *easy* way of counting the quantity of an item in your bags? |
| 00:47.45 | Esamynn | Thrae: i'm talking about a resurrection that took place before the spirit released |
| 00:47.57 | Thrae | Ohhh, that I'm not sure. |
| 00:48.09 | Esamynn | and i'm going on the assumption that Rebirth isn't counted as a "regular" resurrection |
| 00:50.02 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: texture, itemCount, locked, quality, readable = GetContainerItemInfo(bagID, slot) |
| 00:50.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's definitely easier than what I was afraid that I'd have to do |
| 00:52.55 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 00:54.04 | Esamynn | on a different topic, I hate hooking API functions, but I'm not sure I like my other options any better in this case |
| 00:55.21 | grimman | Does WoW cause problems with other games for anyone else? Sometimes when I quit WoW it'll stop other games from accessing hardware acceleration or something. Until I relog. |
| 00:55.54 | Kirkburn | Woop, finished all the 'races' pages on the wiki |
| 00:56.26 | Esamynn | I don't know, I don't normally run other games in the background, except sometimes another copy of WoW, (getting 2 copies of WoW to run at the same time is delicate) |
| 00:56.43 | Kirkburn | The Blood Elf page was like some newbie design conference |
| 00:57.02 | grimman | Not in the background, I said quit. ;P |
| 00:57.15 | Esamynn | oh you mean starting another game after quitting WoW? |
| 00:57.16 | Esamynn | no |
| 00:57.17 | Kirkburn | Not for me |
| 00:57.18 | grimman | Start WoW -> quit WoW -> try to start any other game == nop, you can't do that. |
| 00:57.57 | grimman | And if I try to start WoW again after I've gotten an error it'll just reboot the computer. |
| 00:58.00 | grimman | It's _very_ weird. |
| 00:58.02 | Esamynn | back later |
| 00:58.16 | Kirkburn | grimman, does it occur from just opening the login screen? |
| 00:58.26 | grimman | Kirkburn: I don't think so. |
| 00:58.33 | Kirkburn | How about character select? |
| 00:58.39 | grimman | Not sure. |
| 00:58.54 | Kirkburn | Test those two, might help narrowing it down |
| 00:59.04 | grimman | I think it's only from extended gameplay sessions... but it's hard to tell since it's kinda random. |
| 00:59.16 | Kirkburn | Odd |
| 00:59.18 | grimman | Anyway, gotta relog... I wanna play another game. ;P |
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| 01:00.51 | grimman | Time to kill stuff. ^^ |
| 01:01.13 | Kirkburn | have fun! |
| 01:01.22 | Kirkburn | Time to sleep. ^^ |
| 01:01.42 | Kirkburn | Night night all! |
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| 02:20.18 | Cide | hehe, this frame designer is going to work out nicely I think |
| 02:25.11 | zenzelezz | hrm... how do the eight-digit hex color codes translate to RGB? o_O |
| 02:25.59 | Cide | RRGGBB, so 3 values |
| 02:26.34 | zenzelezz | digit was the wrong word, eight-letter |
| 02:26.41 | zenzelezz | ff0070dd |
| 02:26.47 | Cide | take RR for example.. convert first R to 0-15, multiply by 16 and add the second R |
| 02:27.11 | Cide | so in "70" for example, you have 7*16 + 0 = 112 |
| 02:27.23 | zenzelezz | I know regular hex, but I don't get the extra two letters |
| 02:27.27 | Cide | oh |
| 02:27.32 | Cide | first two are just alpha |
| 02:27.42 | Cide | AARRGGBB |
| 02:28.00 | zenzelezz | ah, thanks :) |
| 02:28.14 | Cide | hehe, no problem |
| 02:28.59 | zenzelezz | I considered alpha, but somehow I could only think "RGBA", which didn't seem to make sense... |
| 02:31.31 | Cide | note that alpha doesn't work (as far as I know) on say, text strings |
| 02:31.43 | Cide | but you still need to input it (|cAARRGGBBtext|r) |
| 02:32.01 | Cide | textObject:SetAlpha(alpha) works, but that applies to the text as a whole |
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| 02:43.02 | MentalPower | Cide: frame designer? |
| 02:43.19 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | What's worst than 2 frenchmen debating politics in the room next to you? |
| 02:43.39 | Cide | I'm working on/toying with an addon that allows you to design frames inside wow, and give you the lua code to create it |
| 02:43.52 | Cide | Shouryuu|Insane^: 4 frenchmen debating politics in the same room as you |
| 02:44.03 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Almost, five of 'em :P |
| 02:44.15 | Cide | aww |
| 02:44.19 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | god damn it.... And I need sleep! |
| 02:44.29 | MentalPower | Cide: nice |
| 02:44.38 | MentalPower | I can... beta test it for you :) |
| 02:45.18 | Cide | MentalPower: thanks :) |
| 02:45.58 | MentalPower | hehe, seriously tho, I'd love to play with it too |
| 02:46.07 | Tain | That's what I said to her. |
| 02:46.35 | Cide | haha, Tain :) |
| 02:47.08 | Cide | we'll see how it turns out.. it's much easier to create than say, something equivalent out of WoW |
| 02:47.17 | Cide | since we already have the drawing engine :) |
| 02:47.55 | Cide | sadly.. the interface is in XML.. I might have to design the frames the addon uses when it's complete |
| 02:48.06 | Cide | with the addon itself, I mean! |
| 02:56.18 | Shour|RavingMad | I want to write a mod (useless one but nevermind), that replaces your XP bar with a "are we there yet?" bar... Meaning that you enter a destination, and the bar goes half full when you're halfway there and so forth... Will that 1) Be hard? 2) Eat a lot of memory with all the coordinates? |
| 02:56.58 | MentalPower | no and no |
| 02:57.08 | zenzelezz | sounds like a pain to use if you have to tell it where you're going all the time |
| 02:57.08 | MentalPower | you can pretty much tell the game to do it for you |
| 02:57.34 | MentalPower | the way I'd do it is to create a fake "reputation" and let the game to its magic |
| 02:57.47 | zenzelezz | think he's talking travel |
| 02:58.41 | Shour|RavingMad | zenzelezz I'm thinking doing it as titan/fuBar plugin |
| 02:58.56 | Shour|RavingMad | Have a drop down menu, and choose by zone |
| 02:58.58 | Cide | you'd have to specify starting coordinates |
| 02:59.09 | Cide | so you have something to determine the starting distance |
| 02:59.24 | Cide | (easy enough since you must be standing somewhere when you set a destination) |
| 02:59.29 | Shour|RavingMad | yeah :P |
| 03:00.05 | Tain | Start coords are easy, it's wherever you currently are. :) |
| 03:00.11 | Shour|RavingMad | Aye |
| 03:00.25 | Shour|RavingMad | I'm just not sure as to how to organise my Tables with the coords |
| 03:00.59 | Shour|RavingMad | And especialy not sure about long distance trips |
| 03:01.50 | Shour|RavingMad | If I'm in Silithius and want to go to MC, that's a long way, and I do not need to check for every way-point going from Silithius to Org, and From Org to MC |
| 03:02.36 | Shour|RavingMad | And that then brings the problem of zones :( |
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| 03:05.58 | JoshBorke | hrm, at what point should i pull a mod out of beta? |
| 03:06.28 | MentalPower | when its stable enough |
| 03:06.43 | MentalPower | and you're confident that its fit for public use |
| 03:07.34 | JoshBorke | ok, on wowinterface |
| 03:07.39 | JoshBorke | do i just resubmit my mod? |
| 03:08.05 | Cairenn | nope, you just ask one of us to move [X] mod to [Y] category |
| 03:08.10 | JoshBorke | ah, ok |
| 03:08.32 | Tain | You can't just go moving XX to XY! That's playing with nature! |
| 03:08.41 | Cairenn | preferrably with a link to [X] mod, so we make sure we've got the right one |
| 03:09.01 | JoshBorke | i have one small bug in my mod, which i can't track down, anyone wanna help? ^_^ |
| 03:15.21 | MentalPower | not every one at once :) |
| 03:15.31 | MentalPower | JoshBorke: what is the mod and the bug? |
| 03:18.11 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4972 is the mod |
| 03:18.54 | JoshBorke | when you cast a buff, it puts a timer on the button giving you an estimated time until it expires |
| 03:20.09 | JoshBorke | the bug i have is thus: if there are no timers on a button, and say you click paladin, the timer shows up on paladin/priest/druid |
| 03:20.11 | JoshBorke | or something like that |
| 03:21.16 | JoshBorke | onec you cast a buff on that class, it is the correct timer |
| 03:22.51 | Tain | haha I just noticed the person flaming Shouryuu for telling him to delete from his WTF folder |
| 03:23.17 | Shour|RavingMad | lol |
| 03:23.34 | Tain | hahah that's so awesome I'm laughing outloud reading that thread |
| 03:23.36 | Shour|RavingMad | Well it's understandable I guess :P |
| 03:23.47 | Shour|RavingMad | lol |
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| 06:28.12 | Miravlix | Can anyone help me check if Anon access is working for svn://www.lix-world.net/? |
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| 06:31.08 | Iriel | Miravlix : Checking... |
| 06:31.57 | Iriel | Miravlix : Seems to work just fine |
| 06:32.19 | Miravlix | I better check I didn't SVN my password file then. :) thanks |
| 06:34.28 | Iriel | no problem |
| 06:38.14 | Miravlix | Changed the Anon access to only be for svn://www.lix-world.net/WoW/AddOns |
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| 08:01.16 | ckknight | does anyone know if there's a list of servers with their time zones? |
| 08:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | www.warcraftrealms.com has them |
| 08:09.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | click on US/UK Server stats |
| 08:09.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | then you can sort by Time Zone |
| 08:12.43 | ckknight | thanks |
| 08:12.55 | ckknight | figured that out myself, hehe |
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| 08:47.25 | Shour|RavingMad | Rawar |
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| 09:32.41 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | ckknight I got woke up by my brother and his friends *yeling* about politics at 4am, and managed to fall back to sleep at 7... Lack of sleep is making me see things :P |
| 09:33.30 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Did you people see the post about the guy who wants to create a "share macro" addon, that basicly allows you to send a macro, and the person who receives it can copy/paste it? |
| 09:36.10 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | and gawd blizz needs to organize stickies |
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| 10:10.39 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | ckknight This might sound stupid, but how does one write a plugin into FuBar? |
| 10:10.46 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | ah |
| 10:10.50 | ckknight | with magic! |
| 10:10.55 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | juste found an example in the FuBar file :P |
| 10:10.57 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Ohhh magiv |
| 10:11.22 | ckknight | Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ;-) |
| 10:11.46 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Weee |
| 10:13.17 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | I love you ckknight :P DewDrop looks so cool :P |
| 10:15.09 | ckknight | hehe |
| 10:15.16 | ckknight | Tablet's also handy |
| 10:15.58 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Ohhh indeed |
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| 11:27.39 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | can one change rings during a fight? |
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| 12:02.31 | Codayus | Shouryuu|Lunatic: No. |
| 12:05.31 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | dang |
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| 13:04.52 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
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| 14:33.12 | Maldivia | bugger |
| 14:34.36 | Kaelten | good morning |
| 14:39.23 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I need to work out some way of getting the Office 2007 fonts from the .exe without having to install it :/ |
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| 14:53.57 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: just extract the exe file |
| 14:54.19 | Kirkburn | I'm 96% downloaded ... I should be able to use something like 7zip? |
| 14:54.31 | Maldivia | winrar worked fine for me, so I guess |
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| 14:57.59 | Maldivia | ohh, and the fonts are in the ProWW.cab file |
| 15:02.40 | Kirkburn | Ta, I'll have a look :) |
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| 15:08.34 | Kirkburn | Got 'em :) |
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| 15:21.28 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I can install all but two font styles |
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| 15:22.35 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 15:23.23 | Kirkburn | Hullo |
| 15:26.59 | Maldivia | hola |
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| 15:27.54 | Kirkburn | Okay, down to one font style I can't delete/replace |
| 15:28.17 | ComicSansMS | hi shouryu: http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/products/ProductDetail.jsp?productID=BK_RAND_000592&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes |
| 15:29.45 | Kirkburn | That's freaky ... I just found out about Audible an hour ago |
| 15:29.58 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | ohh sweeet thanks ComicSansMS |
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| 15:30.53 | ComicSansMS | you're welcome :) |
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| 15:32.11 | Shouryuu_ | I'll take a look a that Comic, thanks :D |
| 15:35.47 | Shouryuu_ | How often is calling GetPlayerMapPosition("player") too often? I was thinking once every 5-10 seconds should be fine, but I'm unsure... |
| 15:35.52 | Maldivia | any on PTR PvP US? |
| 15:36.14 | Shouryuu_ | not I |
| 15:38.48 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: well, it's called in an OnUpdate when the world map is visible (I think) |
| 15:39.42 | Shouryuu_ | So I could do it on every OnUpdate and wouldn't notice it? (not that I want to, once every 5-10 secs if more than enough for what I want to do) |
| 15:44.31 | Maldivia | guess so |
| 15:44.44 | Shouryuu_ | Cool :P |
| 15:44.52 | Maldivia | it's not a heavy function, I would think |
| 15:45.15 | Maldivia | the client most likely have the coordinates stored in variables, so it's just returning those |
| 15:45.24 | Shouryuu_ | True |
| 15:46.37 | Maldivia | also, the battlefield map runs an onupdate, that polls the coordinates for the entire raid / all persons in the BG |
| 15:47.16 | Maldivia | or well, the battlefield map is limited to 10 updates/sec |
| 15:48.06 | Maldivia | or well, lol... it's not... they are missing a return statement in the code :) |
| 15:49.26 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 15:49.47 | Shouryuu_ | Well once every 5 sec will do then :P |
| 15:55.31 | Maldivia | ohh, the are removing the legacy BG quests in 1.11 |
| 16:01.12 | Maldivia | lol, nice bug :) |
| 16:01.31 | Maldivia | was in a BG on test server... |
| 16:02.03 | Maldivia | on my priest... died, went into spirit of redemption for, healed for 10 sec, and the auto-ressed on that spot :) |
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| 16:03.40 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | BG legacy quests? |
| 16:04.32 | Maldivia | the old ribbons, crates etc turn in quests |
| 16:05.15 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | awww |
| 16:05.25 | zenzio | will they fix the I.W.I.N. button? |
| 16:05.58 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | hehe |
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| 16:09.01 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Anyone know how to hand draw a sphere? |
| 16:11.08 | Kirkburn | Cool, I can kill two birds with one stone with these new fonts :D |
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| 16:12.20 | ComicSansMS | hand-draw a sphere? you mean... with a pencil? |
| 16:12.44 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Compass pencil and whatever else |
| 16:12.58 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Or whatever you call a compass in english |
| 16:13.51 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Yup compass isn't what I thought it was |
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| 16:14.07 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | How do you that tool that allows you to draw circles? |
| 16:14.58 | ComicSansMS | hmm... i guess it is indeed called compass |
| 16:15.28 | ComicSansMS | or to be more precise: compasses |
| 16:15.34 | ComicSansMS | there is no singular for it afaik |
| 16:18.03 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Well I'm going to hope Wikipedia can enlighten me |
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| 16:27.30 | Kirkburn | And off trundles the first update to ClearFont for nearly 2 months :P |
| 16:39.53 | Kirkburn | That's because I haven't reached there yet :) |
| 16:42.23 | Kirkburn | It's on its way :P |
| 16:48.09 | Kirkburn | Thanks Cairenn =) |
| 16:48.28 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
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| 16:57.07 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, which font does CF now use? |
| 16:58.31 | wereHamster | .. and are all fonts fixed-width? Or only the Number font? |
| 17:01.01 | Kirkburn|away | All |
| 17:01.09 | Kirkburn|away | It's rather good really :P |
| 17:01.37 | Kirkburn|away | And the numbers are all fixed height too. I'm gonna keep the other number font in though, cos I like it :) |
| 17:02.10 | Kirkburn|away | It's the same font, it was just bumped from v0.9 to v1.0 in Office 2007 Beta 2 |
| 17:03.12 | Kirkburn|away | Calibri is replacing Times New Roman/Arial as the default Office font |
| 17:17.35 | MoonWolf | arial is better imho |
| 17:19.19 | wereHamster | I get ClearFont.lua:106 attempt to index GameFontNormalHuge (a nil value) |
| 17:19.35 | Tain | NormalHuge! |
| 17:19.38 | Kirkburn|away | Bugger |
| 17:19.46 | Kirkburn|away | That's with 1.10? |
| 17:19.52 | wereHamster | yes |
| 17:19.56 | Kirkburn|away | Damnit! |
| 17:20.20 | Kirkburn|away | Bah, doesn't really matter that much |
| 17:20.28 | Kirkburn|away | It only appears once, no? |
| 17:20.33 | gnorlish | no |
| 17:20.34 | gnorlish | every time |
| 17:20.43 | gnorlish | even on a clean load with fresh folders |
| 17:21.05 | Kirkburn|away | Hmm, what to do |
| 17:21.17 | gnorlish | incoming flames |
| 17:21.25 | Kirkburn|away | How do I do a check for the WoW version? |
| 17:21.41 | Kirkburn|away | as in, if patch 1.11, then (blah) end |
| 17:22.36 | Maldivia | GetVersionInfo |
| 17:22.38 | Maldivia | or something |
| 17:22.52 | Maldivia | version, buildnum, builddate = GetBuildInfo() |
| 17:23.42 | Maldivia | or check for the existance of 1.11 functionality only |
| 17:24.21 | wereHamster | I don't like the new chatframe font.. it seems like a bold font.. |
| 17:24.21 | Kirkburn|away | hrm |
| 17:24.34 | Kirkburn|away | It's not a different font :/ |
| 17:25.08 | gnorlish | it's odd for me too |
| 17:25.14 | gnorlish | very square and intimidating |
| 17:26.19 | zenzio | screenshot? |
| 17:26.39 | gnorlish | 1 sec |
| 17:26.56 | Kirkburn|away | I shall check it out |
| 17:29.26 | Kirkburn|away | I've fixed the GameFontNormalHuge bug |
| 17:29.49 | Kirkburn|away | Chat font size looks identical to |
| 17:29.51 | Kirkburn|away | me |
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| 17:30.00 | gnorlish | :( posting ss |
| 17:31.15 | gnorlish | http://destinysbane.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=270 |
| 17:31.42 | gnorlish | that's font size 12, lowest i can get |
| 17:31.47 | zenzio | that does look bold |
| 17:32.38 | zenzio | not necessarily a lot bolder, but some |
| 17:33.30 | Kirkburn|away | It's, er, not Calibri? |
| 17:33.44 | Kirkburn|away | nvm that comment |
| 17:33.55 | Kirkburn|away | That's very very odd |
| 17:34.05 | Kirkburn|away | It doesn't look anything like that for me |
| 17:34.12 | Kirkburn|away | Esp. when I have it set to 12 |
| 17:34.17 | gnorlish | i can get 10 lines of text normally |
| 17:34.27 | gnorlish | this cuts it down to 8 (almost 9) |
| 17:34.50 | gnorlish | make that 9 and a tad |
| 17:34.53 | Kirkburn|away | That's definately font size 12? |
| 17:35.03 | gnorlish | quite |
| 17:35.27 | Kirkburn|away | hrm, I don't know :/ |
| 17:35.49 | gnorlish | no big deal obviously, just gonna roll back until you have time to check it out |
| 17:36.19 | Kirkburn|away | You should be able to go lower than 12 |
| 17:36.34 | Kirkburn|away | Down to 7, in fact |
| 17:36.59 | gnorlish | i have 12,14,16,18 |
| 17:37.05 | gnorlish | not the case with the previous clearfont |
| 17:37.10 | gnorlish | i think i could go down to 7 with it |
| 17:37.23 | Kirkburn|away | Try reinstalling ClearFont, I changed the zip directory structure |
| 17:37.40 | gnorlish | as in the newest one? |
| 17:38.12 | Kirkburn|away | Two secs, I'll upload a new beta |
| 17:38.37 | wereHamster | I deleted ./Fonts and Interface/AddOns/!ClearFont and installed the addon.. same problem as gnorlish |
| 17:38.51 | gnorlish | i can tell you one of the fonts was insanely smaller in filesize than the previous one |
| 17:38.55 | gnorlish | arialn |
| 17:39.14 | Kirkburn|away | Yeah that was the new number font from 11000-4 |
| 17:39.57 | Kirkburn|away | I know what you've done! |
| 17:40.09 | Kirkburn|away | Did you check to load out-of-date addons? |
| 17:40.13 | gnorlish | yes |
| 17:40.19 | Kirkburn|away | Absolutely sure? |
| 17:40.39 | gnorlish | yes, i moved interface, wdb, and wtf out a few mins ago and just installed CF |
| 17:40.43 | gnorlish | and checked the box |
| 17:44.05 | Kirkburn|away | Well, it doesn't sound like it's loading for you :? |
| 17:44.12 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | There is no need to use Catalyst in 1.10 right? Didn't blizzard say they had pretty much implemented the code? |
| 17:44.25 | gnorlish | sure it's loading |
| 17:44.32 | gnorlish | the fonts are all super clean |
| 17:44.42 | gnorlish | just that my chat font is goofy |
| 17:44.45 | Kirkburn|away | If you change zone, is it italic? |
| 17:44.58 | gnorlish | porting! |
| 17:44.59 | Kirkburn|away | Shouryuu|Lunatic, if you mean 1.11, yeah |
| 17:45.15 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Kirkburn|away Wasn't sure which was which :P |
| 17:45.16 | gnorlish | no italics |
| 17:45.23 | gnorlish | it looks goofy too |
| 17:45.23 | Kirkburn|away | It's not loading for you :P |
| 17:45.37 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | Awww Gello beat me to it... |
| 17:45.42 | gnorlish | what exactly isn't loading then, because everything else is clearfonted |
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| 17:46.08 | Kirkburn|away | The actual code, what you're seeing is just the WoW/Fonts folder files doing the manual override |
| 17:46.37 | gnorlish | it seems like it would have something to do with the error being thrown |
| 17:46.42 | Kirkburn|away | It's possible |
| 17:47.36 | gnorlish | back to work for me, try tossing a check in for version and everything should be peachy |
| 17:48.25 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | hehe |
| 17:53.20 | Kirkburn|away | I'm uploading a new version to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4528 now |
| 17:53.58 | Kirkburn|away | gnorlish, can you quickly check it? |
| 17:54.07 | Cairenn | approved |
| 17:54.19 | Kirkburn|away | Thankies :) |
| 17:54.41 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 17:58.54 | Kirkburn|away | wereHamster, gnorlish? |
| 17:59.47 | Kirkburn|away | WoooOOOooooOOO! /waves arms frantically |
| 18:00.45 | Maldivia | but you're not here... |
| 18:00.55 | Kirkburn | ner |
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| 18:01.48 | Kirkburn | Bah, I'll stick it up as a dl anyway |
| 18:02.21 | Thrae | Any addon authors know why DoEmote would sent a message to CHAT instead of EMOTE on a French Client? |
| 18:02.50 | Thrae | Wait, I mean SendChatMessage(msg, "EMOTE") |
| 18:03.34 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | I think gnorlish went to work :( |
| 18:04.15 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 18:05.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/web-lead-tools-programmer.shtml |
| 18:05.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | Plusses - Reporting and data mining |
| 18:06.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | -_- |
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| 18:29.03 | wereHamster | Kirkburn|away, I'm in CM right now.. |
| 18:29.16 | Kirkburn | CM? |
| 18:29.58 | wereHamster | MC.. |
| 18:30.01 | Kirkburn | aha :P |
| 18:30.13 | Kirkburn | The new version should work fine anyway :) |
| 18:32.06 | Kirkburn | I'm properly going away now :P |
| 18:35.16 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | god damn it my computer heats up so much |
| 18:35.54 | Shouryuu|Lunatic | And about how much time does it take to get exhalted in AB? |
| 18:37.54 | Kirkburn|away | (crazy idea, since I spent ages downloading Office 2007, why don't I install it?!) |
| 18:57.42 | Kirkburn|away | Ooh, Office 2007 is teh sexy |
| 18:57.56 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | teh sexy |
| 18:58.18 | Kirkburn|away | ya |
| 18:58.39 | Kirkburn|away | Seriously it's NICE |
| 18:59.34 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | I still don't understand why they're realesing office 2007 in 2006... |
| 18:59.49 | Kirkburn|away | I think I'll be removing Office 2003 later ... :) |
| 19:00.00 | Kirkburn|away | Well, it's not out until the end of the year |
| 19:00.10 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | buuuut you have it? |
| 19:00.13 | Kirkburn|away | Beta 2 |
| 19:00.16 | Kirkburn|away | Public beta |
| 19:00.17 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | ahhh |
| 19:00.34 | Kirkburn|away | It's good enough to be used as your main suite |
| 19:02.38 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | What did you use before> |
| 19:04.38 | Kirkburn|away | "<Kirkburn|away> I think I'll be removing Office 2003 later" |
| 19:07.30 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | Sorry I assumed you were using something else than office... The "Main suite" part made me think you were using office with something else... |
| 19:08.19 | Kirkburn|away | :P |
| 19:08.37 | Kirkburn|away | OpenOffice are gonna have to do a lot to catch up again |
| 19:11.37 | Cairenn | so why removing it, Kirkburn|away? |
| 19:11.49 | ckknight | OOo is so slow and bloated from my experience |
| 19:11.52 | Kirkburn|away | For space, and because I probably won't use it |
| 19:12.07 | ckknight | granted, not much worse than MS Office, but still |
| 19:12.39 | Kirkburn|away | I've never tried it myself |
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| 19:29.46 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | "dischord" lol |
| 19:35.17 | zenzio | argh... I remember when FileFront used to be decent... now almost every large download there gets disconnected at some point, and apparently doesn't want to resume where it left off |
| 19:35.46 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | What do to what to do.. |
| 19:41.41 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | jin roh here I come |
| 19:47.23 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | Anyone here seen Patlabor? |
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| 19:49.57 | Kirkburn|away | Cool, I just made a PDF in Office :) |
| 20:01.05 | AnduinLothar | mmm, is that complicated? |
| 20:04.12 | Maldivia | mm... I love the new -30% aggro in frost.. |
| 20:05.04 | Kirkburn|away | Ooh, it's very posh when I turn the Spell Check settings up - it tells me "landlord" should be replaced with "property owner" or "proprietor" |
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| 20:05.50 | Kirkburn|away | AnduinLothar, I mentioned the PDF thing cos it's built into Office 2007 as standard, v nice =) It's just one of the save formats now |
| 20:07.16 | Kirkburn|away | Lol, yet the WordArt is the same as it's been since 1995 |
| 20:07.36 | AnduinLothar | oh yeah? windows Office finally got updated, eh? |
| 20:08.13 | AnduinLothar | I have Office 2004 |
| 20:08.39 | AnduinLothar | but Mac's can save to PDF from any print system wide |
| 20:08.58 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | Damn is there a way set all your music to the same volume? I have songs which are realll loud with my Ipod's volume set to halfway, and wit other songs, at the same setting, I can't even hear a word... |
| 20:09.03 | AnduinLothar | just does a ps2pdf |
| 20:09.11 | Kirkburn|away | Useful, AnduinLothar :) |
| 20:09.12 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 20:09.26 | AnduinLothar | there's a volume setting in the settings |
| 20:09.34 | zenzio | there are several such "print (to PDF) drivers" for Windows; their quality differ widely |
| 20:09.34 | AnduinLothar | normalize or some such |
| 20:09.37 | Kirkburn|away | Volume normalization |
| 20:09.40 | _aLF | pdf995 does the same thing under windows |
| 20:09.44 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | ohh sweat :P |
| 20:09.46 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | Thanks |
| 20:10.06 | Kirkburn|away | 'sweet', dammit :) |
| 20:10.13 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | haha sorry |
| 20:10.22 | zenzio | maybe he just likes sweat |
| 20:10.22 | Kirkburn|away | =P |
| 20:10.23 | AnduinLothar | right, I've seen the windows versions. but they aren't builtin :P |
| 20:10.46 | Kirkburn|away | The Mac versions of Office have always looked so much better than the PC version - I think we've finally caught up |
| 20:11.08 | AnduinLothar | heh, 2004 has decent mac GUI integration too |
| 20:11.25 | AnduinLothar | the side bar fades to 20% alpha when not being used |
| 20:11.51 | Kirkburn|away | The first change I made, though, was to set it to the black Vista look ... the XP default look, light blue, is not in any way appealing to me |
| 20:12.07 | Kirkburn|away | Side bar? |
| 20:12.34 | AnduinLothar | aye, has options for what kind of document you'r working on |
| 20:13.21 | AnduinLothar | Default text has collapsable sections for Add Objects, Font, Styles, Alignment, Bullets & Numbering, Borders and Shading, Document.. |
| 20:13.48 | Kirkburn|away | Intruiging ... sounds like an early version of the new office design |
| 20:13.51 | AnduinLothar | basicly shortcut buttons and things so you don't have to use the dropdown menus |
| 20:14.31 | AnduinLothar | i could ss it, but i'm sure there's some shots on the MS mac page |
| 20:14.50 | Kirkburn|away | There's a similar mini-bar thing in Office 2007 - when you select some text and a small bar appears to the top right which fades into view when you roll over it |
| 20:18.39 | Kirkburn|away | Screenshot: http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=office20076yj.png |
| 20:19.16 | Kirkburn|away | A beauty, ain't it :) |
| 20:19.22 | AnduinLothar | amazingly, I can't find any screenshots with the sidebar in it |
| 20:19.27 | Kirkburn|away | lol |
| 20:20.36 | Kirkburn|away | It even loads quicker than Word 2003 |
| 20:20.58 | AnduinLothar | aye, the one thing i hate about word is that with a ton of Fonts it takes forever to load |
| 20:21.07 | AnduinLothar | well... |
| 20:21.11 | AnduinLothar | one of the many things |
| 20:21.31 | Kirkburn|away | It comes with about 50 fonts I think |
| 20:22.13 | Kirkburn|away | One of the best things about it is the live previews - select some text, roll over an option (font, bullets, style, whatever), and the text changes to a what it will look like if you choose that option |
| 20:22.27 | AnduinLothar | I have a few hundred fonts |
| 20:24.27 | AnduinLothar | http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/51e092a1cb.jpg |
| 20:25.03 | Kirkburn|away | cool |
| 20:25.38 | AnduinLothar | always thought it was funny that 2004 never came out on windows.. |
| 20:25.43 | Kirkburn|away | It's a bit disorganized, but a nice idea |
| 20:25.54 | Kirkburn|away | heh |
| 20:25.59 | AnduinLothar | disorganized? |
| 20:26.22 | Kirkburn|away | If you could compare it to 2007, you'd find that disorganized :P |
| 20:26.39 | AnduinLothar | it's just a smattering of commonly used features |
| 20:26.51 | Kirkburn|away | I meant the general UI :) |
| 20:27.01 | AnduinLothar | oh the bar on the top? |
| 20:27.16 | AnduinLothar | the top bar is fully customizable |
| 20:27.27 | Kirkburn|away | Well, all of it ;) |
| 20:27.46 | AnduinLothar | lol, always have to find something wrong with something you're not using\ |
| 20:27.51 | Kirkburn|away | hehehe |
| 20:27.59 | Kirkburn|away | Like you and PCs :D |
| 20:28.26 | AnduinLothar | w/e I hate Office as a rule, so I avoid it when I don't need some of the more advanced and annoying features |
| 20:29.18 | AnduinLothar | Office doesn't really save me time, but some stupid people require some of it's features |
| 20:29.19 | Kirkburn|away | I do think 2007 could change you mind |
| 20:29.21 | zenzio | I don't find that Office 2007 screenshot particularly interesting |
| 20:29.50 | Kirkburn|away | Bah, I'll make a more intersting one then |
| 20:29.54 | AnduinLothar | i honestly wouldn't care how they changed the gui... what they really need to have done is made it easier to use |
| 20:30.13 | AnduinLothar | Headers and numbering on Office is a nightmare |
| 20:30.21 | Kirkburn|away | I'll test that now |
| 20:30.24 | AnduinLothar | so non-intuitive |
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| 20:30.56 | AnduinLothar | I should be able to make a headered doc that auto gens a table of contents in 5 min or less |
| 20:31.24 | AnduinLothar | instead I usually spend hours trying to fiddle with it trying to get it to format the way I want |
| 20:32.24 | AnduinLothar | I dare you to try to get non-numbered headers on the largest header and then number all the rest of the sub headers |
| 20:32.36 | Kirkburn|away | We-ll, I can safely say, header/footers are no longer a pain in the ass |
| 20:32.39 | AnduinLothar | and then have the numbering start over on the next sub header |
| 20:33.02 | Kirkburn|away | I would, but I don't understand you :P |
| 20:33.18 | AnduinLothar | Title A |
| 20:33.26 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.31 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.36 | AnduinLothar | Title B |
| 20:33.41 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.21 | AnduinLothar | using word's header system |
| 20:34.26 | AnduinLothar | and auto numbering |
| 20:34.53 | AnduinLothar | mostly for technical documents |
| 20:35.07 | AnduinLothar | makes me want to stab My eyes out |
| 20:35.11 | Kirkburn|away | I think I see what you mean |
| 20:35.58 | Thrae | Is there getlocal() along with getglobal() ? |
| 20:36.07 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 20:36.15 | Kirkburn|away | Hmm, not sure, but I'm seeing a lot more header/footer options than I've ever seen before |
| 20:36.21 | Kirkburn|away | And loads of presets |
| 20:36.25 | AnduinLothar | but you can put them in a table and index them |
| 20:36.47 | AnduinLothar | kirk, header/footer is something different |
| 20:36.58 | AnduinLothar | that's on the top and bottom of the screen |
| 20:37.11 | Kirkburn|away | Oh rihgt |
| 20:37.15 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: That's what I do currently, but it seems a waste to make a table called "Local" if the locals are ultimately put into a table anyway. |
| 20:37.21 | AnduinLothar | I'm talkign about Headers as in titles of sections |
| 20:37.51 | Kirkburn|away | 'Table of contents' |
| 20:38.00 | AnduinLothar | well thrae, most of the time you don't need too, unless you're dynamicaly callign variables in a loop |
| 20:38.21 | AnduinLothar | kirk, the toc is sposed to be autogenerated |
| 20:38.33 | Thrae | Hmm, could I use "self" within file scope to reference all locals declared within the file? |
| 20:38.41 | AnduinLothar | the autogeneration is easy, the headinging is a nightmare |
| 20:38.46 | Kirkburn|away | Yup, I just auto-genned a toc |
| 20:39.14 | Kirkburn|away | Now to see what options I get |
| 20:39.17 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Yeah, I have some functions which use the power of string concat so I don't need two functions which do the same thing. |
| 20:40.03 | AnduinLothar | I dunno how you're implementing thrae, but a table is probably you're best bet |
| 20:40.24 | Kirkburn|away | AnduinLothar, I think what you asked for has just been given to me perfectly ... I'll make a text doc |
| 20:40.26 | AnduinLothar | if you used OO you could have it be an object, but that's still a table.. |
| 20:40.27 | Kirkburn|away | *test |
| 20:41.15 | grimman | Graar. |
| 20:41.35 | grimman | /wave |
| 20:43.51 | Kirkburn|away | Hi :) |
| 20:47.21 | Kirkburn|away | This? http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=office2007a6dg.png |
| 20:48.47 | AnduinLothar | now number those bullets, get rid of the blue line on main headers, make them black and bold and a larger size |
| 20:49.13 | Kirkburn|away | I defined the header style myself, it easy enough to change back to the old style |
| 20:49.13 | AnduinLothar | and make the numbered subsections show on the toc |
| 20:49.42 | Kirkburn|away | Number the bullets and make them appear on the toc? |
| 20:49.48 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 20:49.53 | Kirkburn|away | Okay |
| 20:51.20 | Kirkburn|away | Well, I could do it 'easily' by turning the bulletted lists into header 3 style, then they'd appear |
| 20:52.15 | AnduinLothar | then make them sub headers with paragraph text under |
| 20:52.29 | Kirkburn|away | Ah, no ...I just found how to do it |
| 20:52.44 | Kirkburn|away | You can just select the text and tell it whether to appear or not, and under which heading |
| 20:53.16 | Kirkburn|away | That's enough for now |
| 20:54.00 | Kirkburn|away | If I could work it out from never having tried or seen the option before ... :) |
| 20:54.47 | AnduinLothar | we'll see. They probably wont make this one on mac |
| 20:55.00 | AnduinLothar | and different people expect different things |
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| 20:55.40 | Kirkburn|away | True ... be hopeful though! |
| 20:56.00 | AnduinLothar | i hope nothing of MS |
| 20:56.35 | Thrae | Does anyone here do testing on the French client? |
| 20:57.52 | grimman | You expect anything to be different, Thrae? |
| 20:58.02 | Thrae | I'm trying to figure out why a French user claims SendChatMessage(msg,"EMOTE") is being sent to "SAY" instead. |
| 20:58.04 | grimman | Except for the language, obviously. |
| 20:58.15 | Kirkburn|away | And the people :P |
| 20:58.21 | grimman | Kirkburn|away: Shush. |
| 20:58.34 | grimman | Also, your name says "|away"... |
| 20:58.42 | Kirkburn|away | Er, yeah |
| 20:59.03 | Kirkburn|away | Well, anyway ... here's a interactive preview of the new UI ... http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/ui/demo.mspx?showIntro=n |
| 20:59.25 | grimman | /expect FF to crash and burn. |
| 20:59.28 | grimman | ;) |
| 20:59.39 | Miravlix | I think, I'll stay with OO. |
| 20:59.50 | Kirkburn | Heh, it's flash |
| 21:00.04 | zenzio | I was positively surprised to find a Firefox/Mozilla plugin on the Microsoft website to validate your Windows version (so you can download and crap without using Internet Explorer) |
| 21:00.16 | Kirkburn | They're increasingly supporting it |
| 21:00.39 | AnduinLothar | only because if they don't the lose customers |
| 21:00.41 | Miravlix | MS just recently got a clue about Interoperability |
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| 21:01.26 | ckknight | it's still haphazard, though |
| 21:01.39 | grimman | Isn't it always? |
| 21:01.54 | Kirkburn | Lol, I have IE7 beta, Office 2007 Beta, WMP11 Beta, WindowBlinds Beta .... |
| 21:02.14 | Kirkburn | It'd be nice to have release versions of at least *some* of the stuff on my PC :) |
| 21:02.18 | Miravlix | Going to take them a few to get going, but atleast they are trying to talk to non self made stuff. |
| 21:02.37 | zenzio | WindowBlinds... I remember trying that ages ago... |
| 21:02.50 | Kirkburn | It's wunderbar |
| 21:03.05 | Kirkburn | Ach, I mean ... es ist wunderbar :) |
| 21:03.19 | zenzio | was a resource hog at the time... but I never cared much for it anyway, found no good themes at the time |
| 21:03.42 | grimman | Hrrrmpf @ Flash demo. I think it "crashed" or something. |
| 21:04.00 | Kirkburn | grimman, yeah, it has some problems moving onto the next section sometimes |
| 21:04.18 | Kirkburn | You're missing out with WB now, as an example, if you use the standard XP theme with it, it's faster |
| 21:04.19 | grimman | Yeah, that's what I got too. |
| 21:04.20 | zenzio | speaking of crashing, I keep getting stupid "Shockwave Flash blah blah you should restart" warnings in Firefox after upgrading to 1.5.0.3 (think that was when it started) |
| 21:04.40 | Kirkburn | zenzio, I get it on IE7 sometimes too |
| 21:04.51 | zenzio | hm... not Firefox' fault then I guess |
| 21:05.01 | grimman | Kirkburn: WindowBlinds lacks nice skins though... imo. |
| 21:05.01 | Kirkburn | Don't know why, but at random times it decides I don't have Flash 8 installed |
| 21:05.23 | Kirkburn | grimman, aye, a lot are crap but I'll link some examples of nice ones |
| 21:05.26 | zenzio | also, I'm using "classic" Windows look (2000-kind), not the XP style thing... XP style looks all bloated and icky to me |
| 21:05.53 | Kirkburn | I'll link the last two I used in a sec |
| 21:06.06 | Miravlix | OO = OpenOffice |
| 21:06.16 | Gryphen | lol |
| 21:06.17 | grimman | I use Mafia for the XP skin engine. Nice and clean. |
| 21:06.18 | ckknight | I turned off the theme service |
| 21:06.26 | Kirkburn | Current: http://www.wincustomize.com/Preview.aspx?Source=danilloOc/wb/5705.jpg |
| 21:06.31 | grimman | ckknight: So did I until I found Mafia. ;D |
| 21:06.32 | zenzio | ckknight: that's what I meant |
| 21:06.34 | ckknight | makes it faster than even the classic style |
| 21:06.38 | Kirkburn | Previous: http://www.wincustomize.com/Preview.aspx?Source=KoL_/wb/5566.jpg |
| 21:06.39 | ckknight | alright |
| 21:07.01 | Miravlix | grimman: Where do we find Mafia? |
| 21:07.14 | zenzio | wouldn't actually mind having good old Blue-Metal (or whatever it was called) from Enlightenment ;-o |
| 21:07.20 | grimman | Hm... I used to have my version (fixed) hosted somewhere. |
| 21:07.30 | grimman | Anyway, let me screen it first. ;) |
| 21:08.07 | Kirkburn | This is also popular: http://www.wincustomize.com/Preview.aspx?Source=danilloOc/wb/5306.jpg |
| 21:08.28 | grimman | Kirkburn: I found those skins had too many colours. |
| 21:08.39 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/win.png |
| 21:10.02 | Kirkburn | They wreen't *that* colourful : |
| 21:10.07 | grimman | ;) |
| 21:10.11 | Kirkburn | Hmm, also this http://www.wincustomize.com/Preview.aspx?Source=Pixtudio/wb/5328.jpg |
| 21:11.08 | Kirkburn | Aerial is hardly the most colourful theme ... it's almost all black :/ |
| 21:11.26 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 21:12.16 | zenzio | http://www.erat.org/sshot/BlueSteel-E.jpg -- I might use themed Windows if I find one resembling this one |
| 21:12.17 | Kirkburn | Used in conjunction with IconPackager and WindowsFX, I reckon I gots a sexy PC :P |
| 21:12.49 | grimman | Found the Mafia file. http://loot.dlxmedia.net/ then click Mafia.zip -- I think the host hates hotlinks. |
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| 21:13.23 | Kirkburn | not my kind of style, zenzio, but there's probably something like that out there :) |
| 21:13.34 | grimman | Kirkburn: Noire looked kinda good. |
| 21:13.48 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | My god Jin Roh is such a brilliant movie |
| 21:14.10 | Kirkburn | And you're such an anime freak |
| 21:14.13 | zenzio | Kirkburn: I'm sure there is, I just can't be bothered to look for one ;) I like it because of the colors not being too bright or anything, and still not as dull as grey |
| 21:14.18 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | Kirkburn I know! |
| 21:14.24 | Kirkburn | heh x 2 |
| 21:14.54 | grimman | zenzio: Lemme find something for you. |
| 21:15.04 | Shouryu|Mad|Down | I need to find something new to watch though... |
| 21:15.07 | Kirkburn | I've had more than one person think I was using a mac before |
| 21:15.18 | Kirkburn | (even thought I've never used a mac theme) |
| 21:15.36 | grimman | Hehe. Countless people have asked what OS I run, most others have assumed I run Linux. |
| 21:16.10 | Maldivia | Hmm, anyone knows of a mpq editor, want to check if the 3D raid target icons are read from the UI file, but forcefully read from the mpq... |
| 21:17.09 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5011-myWinMPQ.html or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4794-MPQ2k.html or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3990-Working_WinMPQ.html |
| 21:17.19 | Kirkburn | The original XP theme was such a bad choice ... it could have been made so much more appealing |
| 21:17.36 | Kirkburn | They made it at least a bit better in the MCE editions, but still :/ |
| 21:17.50 | zenzio | dark blue with an ugly green start button and a start menu that looked... messed up |
| 21:18.15 | zenzio | I never understood how they came up with the standard theme |
| 21:18.16 | Maldivia | Cairenn: thanks |
| 21:18.37 | grimman | zenzio: http://www.deviantart.com/view/3007040/ |
| 21:18.48 | Kirkburn | I don't suppose any has tried the new ClearFont beta? |
| 21:18.58 | Kirkburn | V nice theme |
| 21:19.30 | zenzio | grimman: interesting, cheers =) |
| 21:19.35 | grimman | np |
| 21:19.44 | grimman | I used it before, but I got tired of all the vivid colours. ;) |
| 21:21.06 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it'd burn your eyes with all it's luminous colours |
| 21:24.29 | Kirkburn | Is it possible to do English English and American English localisations in WoW? |
| 21:24.55 | grimman | Isn't there a localization kit available? |
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| 21:25.16 | grimman | I vaguely remember seeing something like it anyway. |
| 21:25.28 | Miravlix | Hmm, Mafia crashed X-chat and if I go into the Tema menu it's crapped out |
| 21:25.39 | Kirkburn | lool |
| 21:25.54 | grimman | Miravlix: I can assure you it's just another visual style. |
| 21:26.11 | grimman | Only thing I did was define the scrollbar width or something to fix a Mozilla/Firefox issue. |
| 21:26.16 | Miravlix | Not one thats compatible with my system |
| 21:26.36 | grimman | Using XP with "fixed" UXTheme.dll (I think)? |
| 21:27.00 | Miravlix | Using Windows XP with MS updates |
| 21:27.11 | Miravlix | XP Pro Danish |
| 21:28.05 | grimman | There's one file you have to edit in order to use custom visual styles... Microsoft blocks that by default. |
| 21:28.08 | Miravlix | I haven't intentonally update UXTheme.dll so if it isn't something MS Update does, I don't have it |
| 21:28.36 | grimman | But the worst thing that's happened to me when trying to load a visual style without said fix was windows reverting to Classic theme. |
| 21:28.55 | Miravlix | It loads the theme when I load the mafia file |
| 21:29.10 | Miravlix | Everything looks fine. Then I applied it and that was okay too. |
| 21:29.40 | Miravlix | Now if I open the tema menu there is no graphics in preview |
| 21:29.49 | grimman | Hm |
| 21:29.54 | Miravlix | and I couldn't re-open X-chat had to kill it |
| 21:31.16 | grimman | I think that happened for me once back when I was using Mirabilis ICQ. |
| 21:31.42 | Miravlix | Except for that, everything is fine. |
| 21:32.21 | grimman | But a relog _should_ take care of everything... some apps won't update entirely "on the fly". |
| 21:32.55 | grimman | Gotta <3 Windows. |
| 21:33.11 | Miravlix | I've used non rebooting OS'es too long. |
| 21:33.38 | grimman | Relog ~= Reboot. =) |
| 21:33.47 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 21:40.44 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: it's not your day, I take it |
| 21:40.54 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 21:41.01 | Shouryuu|Insane | This hasn't been my week |
| 21:41.22 | AnduinLothar | damn, that's sexy.. .Obsidion edge blade with +25 agil |
| 21:41.37 | Maldivia | and my tests failed... was unable to produce a mpq file, without crashing wow with a "corrupt file" message :| |
| 21:41.46 | Shouryuu|Insane | awww |
| 21:42.21 | Maldivia | really wanted to see if the raid icons was infact read from the same file, since I was unable to find any models for it, from a quick search |
| 21:42.49 | Maldivia | and if such, try to convince the higher powers, that we should be allowed to overwrite that file (we already are, but it's only affection the UI) |
| 21:43.15 | Maldivia | I already have a texture with the numbers from 1 to 8 :) |
| 21:44.26 | Maldivia | but anyway, I actually find it good, that I was unable to produce a working mpw file, that will probably mean other people can't, and perhaps will make it impossible to do model/texture swaps |
| 21:44.51 | Maldivia | ... or that I was just using the wrong tools... but tried with 3 different ones |
| 21:49.05 | Miravlix | They have used there own mpw obfuscation to modify the format, but it isn't signed or anything, so someone will find a way. |
| 21:51.01 | Miravlix | Takes 2-3 years, but I kill the chair every time |
| 21:51.28 | Kirkburn | Amazing, I keep finding stuff in office 2007 that I've never seen before, even though it was previously present, in a random window deep in the recesses of the prog |
| 21:53.06 | Kirkburn | You can have excel spreadsheets going all the way to XFD1048576 |
| 21:53.10 | Shouryuu|Insane | humm anyone can link that website with all the weird characters, such accentuated "e"s and such? |
| 21:53.21 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 21:53.25 | Shouryuu|Insane | That's one finding! |
| 21:53.37 | Miravlix | Nothing weird about é |
| 21:53.48 | Miravlix | Show some respect for non English. :p |
| 21:53.52 | Kirkburn | Esp coming from a guy who lives in FRANCE |
| 21:53.56 | Shouryuu|Insane | Yeah that kind of weird :P |
| 21:53.59 | Shouryuu|Insane | hehe |
| 21:54.25 | Shouryuu|Insane | Just making things easier for the bigoted ... erm english/americans aronud here :D |
| 21:54.29 | Miravlix | Search for Ascii character map in google. |
| 21:54.35 | Shouryuu|Insane | cool thanks |
| 21:55.01 | Elkano | I dont have ANY respect for the French... I'm living only a few kilometers away from them... |
| 21:55.16 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol where you at? |
| 21:55.19 | Miravlix | ó æ ø å à ü |
| 21:58.03 | Elkano | Shouryuu: Germany, near Saarbrücken |
| 21:58.08 | Maldivia | please repeat, had to change to utf8 |
| 21:58.57 | Shouryuu|Insane | Well sadly enough French and Germans haven't always been the bestest of friends |
| 21:59.27 | Miravlix | Writing a general purpose time based sub table table eraser is harder than it looks, but considering how weird the description is in plain english, there prolly is a reason for it. |
| 21:59.31 | Maldivia | now there's an understatement :) |
| 22:00.29 | Miravlix | Wars tend to make enemies |
| 22:00.48 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 22:01.06 | Miravlix | What am I, 2nd, 3rd Generation from WWII and I still have issues with Germany |
| 22:01.32 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 22:01.38 | Shouryuu|Insane | It's the war movies |
| 22:01.55 | Shouryuu|Insane | They just demonize German and sanctify the rest |
| 22:02.17 | Shouryuu|Insane | It's understandable, because I guess that's how the war was, but, things have changed :P |
| 22:02.18 | Miravlix | Well, Germany was demonic, so it's just showing things as is. |
| 22:02.24 | Shouryuu|Insane | aye |
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| 22:02.56 | Shouryuu|Insane | But we are just generalising it and modernising it... |
| 22:03.03 | Miravlix | Hey War isn't pretty, the other sides killed and murdered too, they just tried to have more sane reasons for it. |
| 22:03.07 | Shouryuu|Insane | Damn I never kow when to put z and when to put an s |
| 22:03.32 | Miravlix | Depends on whatever your typing English or American |
| 22:03.33 | Kirkburn | Wow, the new equation editor is cool |
| 22:03.50 | Kirkburn | Always put 's' :) |
| 22:03.58 | Shouryuu|Insane | Ok, s it is! |
| 22:04.22 | Miravlix | Wanna go to Soo and see the Sebra? |
| 22:04.59 | Miravlix | Then we can play on the Sylexofon |
| 22:05.15 | Shouryuu|Insane | hehehe |
| 22:06.04 | Kirkburn | Uh, you realise it's spelt Xylophone? :P |
| 22:07.21 | Miravlix | there is a Zinstrument, but I realize I wasn't close |
| 22:07.39 | Miravlix | Xylophone is a percusion instrument |
| 22:07.48 | Miravlix | I'm thinking of some flute type instrument |
| 22:08.13 | Shouryuu|Insane | Never heard of it |
| 22:13.25 | Miravlix | You could write a very thick book about all the instruments us laymen don't know. |
| 22:14.56 | Maldivia | hmm, an instrument starting with a z... |
| 22:15.50 | Maldivia | zither ? |
| 22:17.08 | Maldivia | no, that's a string instrument, not a flute |
| 22:19.42 | Maldivia | ohh well, found a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_instruments |
| 22:20.34 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 22:21.08 | Shouryuu|Insane | Night folks |
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| 22:24.24 | Kirkburn | Poor Eyonix!! http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8499037.htm |
| 22:24.34 | Kirkburn | I hope you all signed the card |
| 22:29.37 | Kirkburn | Gawd, this ain't good ... Atari are ceasing support of NVN, and they're in a financial crisis! |
| 22:29.38 | Kirkburn | http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/28/atari-halts-nwn1-support-in-financial-ruin/ |
| 22:32.16 | zenzio | are they publishing NWN2, or is that someone else? |
| 22:36.22 | Kirkburn | Atari are publishing that too, mentioned in the article. It's not cancelled. |
| 22:36.36 | zenzio | not yet anyway ;) |
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| 23:21.52 | zespri_work | Hello. So a new working week has begun, huh? |
| 23:22.31 | zespri_work | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-realm-test/253375.htm Lol, I was always sure, that alt mouse casting is a feature of standard UI |
| 23:24.27 | Kirkburn | I can't remember either way, myself |
| 23:28.34 | Kirkburn | Office 2007 is constantly surprising me |
| 23:28.51 | Kirkburn | Odd feature: I can edit in two windows at once |
| 23:29.07 | Kirkburn | I suppose it could be something for multi-monitor setups |
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| 23:34.32 | Shouryuu|Insane | Booo no sleep |
| 23:43.25 | Kirkburn | What do you mean? |
| 23:43.31 | Shouryuu|Insane | I can't' sleep |
| 23:44.31 | zenzio | they should make drakonids a playable race |
| 23:45.20 | Shouryuu|Insane | Meh, playing him (moving him around) will be a pain to do and develop... |
| 23:47.00 | zenzio | but they look awesome \o/ |
| 23:47.17 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 23:49.01 | zespri_work | lol http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-realm-test/255266.htm |
| 23:49.41 | Shouryuu|Insane | haha |
| 23:50.24 | zenzio | I bet QA secretly stalk newbies to show off like that |
| 23:50.29 | zenzio | (I know I would) |
| 23:50.35 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 23:53.33 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I think my housemate is scared of the dark |
| 23:53.53 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 23:54.03 | Kirkburn | How anyone can sleep with their main room light on and door open I don't know |
| 23:55.09 | zenzio | easy as long as you're sleepy |
| 23:55.21 | Kirkburn | He goes to bed early though |
| 23:55.48 | Kirkburn | Every night, and the corridor light is left on |
| 23:56.01 | zespri_work | ask him! |
| 23:56.12 | Kirkburn | He also leaves his shoes right outside his door, just so that I walk into them, or hit them with the adjacent door :/ |
| 23:56.37 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't know how - his italian is great, and my japanese is non-existent :P |
| 23:56.39 | Miravlix | "Error: table index is nil" |
| 23:56.44 | Kirkburn | *isn't gr |
| 23:56.50 | Miravlix | Now thats sure is an usefull error message. |
| 23:56.59 | Kirkburn | Dammit I keep hitting the wrong key :( |
| 23:57.15 | Kirkburn | What does it actually mean? |
| 23:57.55 | zespri_work | b = nil a[b] = f? |
| 23:58.23 | Shouryuu|Insane | night folks |
| 23:58.35 | Kirkburn | And it's goodnight from him. |
| 23:58.40 | Miravlix | It means that somewhere in the 80 MB code I have in my AddOns folder there is a nil index |
