| 00:02.18 | grimman | zzz @ rendering movie. |
| 00:02.24 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:03.00 | grimman | I added music anyway. |
| 00:03.04 | grimman | And some nifty title screens. |
| 00:03.13 | grimman | For the music and video. |
| 00:03.16 | JoshBorke | ooo lala |
| 00:03.21 | grimman | Still sucks though. |
| 00:03.27 | grimman | Wish I still had Premiere. |
| 00:04.51 | grimman | I also hope the compressed version turns out well. |
| 00:24.55 | grimman | ... |
| 00:25.31 | grimman | 200 megs smaller after compression. |
| 00:25.36 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 00:25.40 | JoshBorke | i don't think that's gonna cut it |
| 00:25.56 | grimman | Not really, no. |
| 00:26.00 | grimman | This editor sucks arse. |
| 00:29.14 | grimman | Encoding in another app now. Going twice as fast and at ~18% it's up to 4.5 megs. |
| 00:29.17 | grimman | This is more like it. |
| 00:39.46 | grimman | Done, uploading... the quality, however, is absolutely dreadful. |
| 00:40.09 | grimman | Looks alot like a WMV file. |
| 00:45.13 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/ -- CoT.avi |
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| 01:10.13 | Tem | how many of you would kill me if I named an addon "iTem?" |
| 01:10.26 | Tem | (that is provided that I didn't kill myself, first) |
| 01:12.29 | Cairenn | "But why a spoon, cousin?" "Because it'll hurt more you idiot!" |
| 01:12.50 | Tem | :) |
| 01:12.53 | Tem | Cide, you here? |
| 01:12.57 | Wobin | "...cousin? Why not a knife?" |
| 01:13.01 | grimman | <3 [Cadaverous Armor] |
| 01:13.14 | Wobin | "Because it's blunt you idiot! It'll hurt more!" |
| 01:13.38 | Cairenn | yeah yeah, so it's been too long since I watched the movie and I messed up the quote slightly, so sue me :p |
| 01:17.18 | Wobin | You should remedy this problem immediately! |
| 01:17.23 | Wobin | Go forth and rent the movie =) |
| 01:18.31 | Tain | It was a good movie. Except for that Kevin Costner part. |
| 01:18.52 | Cairenn | Rent it? What sort of heathen do you take me for? I own a copy! |
| 01:19.12 | zenzio | which movie is this? |
| 01:19.56 | Cairenn | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6302206294?v=glance |
| 01:20.44 | Tain | Robin Hood: Men in Tights |
| 01:24.07 | Wobin | no no |
| 01:24.17 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 01:24.28 | Wobin | I'm confused |
| 01:24.54 | Wobin | Wasn't it Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves? |
| 01:25.34 | cladhaire | grimman: Whats your bottom texture? |
| 01:25.35 | Wobin | Cairenn: Then you have -no- excuse! |
| 01:26.09 | grimman | cladhaire: Something I tossed together for myself. |
| 01:26.12 | Cairenn | and yes, it was Prince of Thieves, not Men in Tights |
| 01:26.35 | Wobin | The sherrif was the best thing in that movioe |
| 01:26.56 | cladhaire | grimman: Does it include a spot for the minimap or could I center my buttons there as well? |
| 01:27.04 | cladhaire | righ tnow i'm just boring and vireport'd =) |
| 01:27.17 | grimman | Nothing for the minimap. |
| 01:27.44 | Wobin | Alan Rickman can make any role entertaining |
| 01:28.31 | cladhaire | grimman: Any chance I could snag it for you? |
| 01:28.34 | cladhaire | s/for/from/ |
| 01:28.44 | JoshBorke | ( grimman ): what do you use to encode? |
| 01:29.45 | grimman | cladhaire: Sure... but beware, it's not meant for distribution so it's probably a bit "backwards" in your eyes. ;) |
| 01:30.02 | grimman | JoshBorke: VirtualDub with XviD codec. |
| 01:30.10 | cladhaire | nah thats fine.. i'll probably tear it apart anyway =) |
| 01:30.18 | cladhaire | but it will look nice on my rogue |
| 01:30.24 | cladhaire | grimman: cladhaire@gmail.com |
| 01:30.28 | cladhaire | if you don't mind =) |
| 01:30.48 | grimman | Oh, I just put it on my loot site. ;P |
| 01:31.11 | JoshBorke | ( grimman ): thanks for the vid btw :-) |
| 01:31.16 | grimman | np |
| 01:31.22 | cladhaire | oh cool |
| 01:33.07 | cladhaire | yeah, the vid is very nice =) |
| 01:35.14 | grimman | Nice to hear... despite the awful quality. |
| 01:35.21 | cladhaire | its not awful |
| 01:35.23 | cladhaire | its all you need |
| 01:35.28 | cladhaire | i dont need to read your chat =) |
| 01:36.09 | grimman | Well no, but it's so smeared out because of the compression you can't make out any sort of details. |
| 01:36.30 | Cairenn | looks pretty damn good to me, watching it right now ... |
| 01:37.28 | grimman | Meh, if you say so. I don't like it personally though. |
| 01:37.44 | cladhaire | the terrain is amazing. |
| 01:37.49 | cladhaire | i can almost read the tooltips =) |
| 01:37.53 | cladhaire | its perfect for a video like this |
| 01:39.24 | Wobin | grimman: Can I get a lnk to your video? |
| 01:39.35 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/ |
| 01:39.38 | grimman | CoT.avi |
| 01:39.53 | Wobin | Thankee |
| 01:43.19 | grimman | yw |
| 01:47.58 | grimman | Has everyone downloaded it that wants to see it? |
| 01:48.06 | grimman | I'm gonna remove it before I go to bed. |
| 01:48.46 | Cairenn | got it, thanks |
| 01:51.05 | cladhaire | mind if i youtube it? |
| 01:51.08 | cladhaire | or you should |
| 01:51.09 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:51.40 | grimman | I'd prefer to keep a low profile. ;P |
| 01:51.58 | cladhaire | no problem |
| 01:52.01 | cladhaire | well I enjoyed it =) |
| 01:52.02 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 01:52.06 | grimman | np |
| 01:53.05 | grimman | File gone now. |
| 01:53.12 | grimman | Me as well. |
| 01:53.14 | grimman | nn |
| 01:53.27 | Wobin | Is this using the route from the gap in the back? |
| 01:57.25 | Cairenn | could someone do me a favour, please? send a test email to me cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 01:58.11 | Miravlix__ | doone |
| 01:59.11 | Cairenn | thanks Miravlix |
| 01:59.31 | Cairenn | received it fine |
| 02:15.37 | JoshBorke | rargh, i'm such a noob at macros |
| 02:15.43 | JoshBorke | how do i send a tell to my target? lol |
| 02:41.20 | JoshBorke | *sigh* resigned myself to sendchatmessage :-) |
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| 03:08.50 | Cairenn | got a major T-Storm coming through, shutting the system down |
| 03:09.01 | Iriel | Erk, good luck with that |
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| 03:20.05 | Corrodias | my UPS laughs at storms |
| 03:20.29 | Iriel | Until you get a lightning strike |
| 03:20.32 | Wobin | Then the cowers in fear and hides? |
| 03:20.37 | Wobin | s/the/it/ |
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| 03:46.01 | Astryl | Any, any WoWI admins around? |
| 03:46.14 | Astryl | Err, first 'any' = 'hey' |
| 03:50.56 | Astryl | Well, if any admins see this, please check out the comments for my addon, FeralSkills; some asshole posted nasty untrue slander about my addon there, and I'd like his comments removed. |
| 03:51.09 | Astryl | (I already reported the comment as well) |
| 03:51.15 | Astryl | Thanks. |
| 04:04.32 | Miravlix | THIS THING WILL SCREWUP YOUR ACTION BAR for all your toons and the is no way to fix it without a reinstall don't use this buggy piece of crap |
| 04:04.35 | Miravlix | Haha |
| 04:04.43 | Miravlix | Thats too funny, actionbars is stored server side |
| 04:04.48 | Miravlix | re-install has no effect |
| 04:05.51 | Iriel | Did you post a comment in response noting that the claim was incorrect? |
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| 04:12.14 | Rozr | hey |
| 04:12.49 | Rozr | anyone around able to answer a simple question about the wow lua interpreter? |
| 04:12.57 | Iriel | yes? |
| 04:13.03 | Iriel | Though it's not exactly an interpreter |
| 04:14.19 | Rozr | well I'm trying to add an interpreter with "loadmodule" in it |
| 04:14.27 | Iriel | You can't |
| 04:15.03 | Iriel | Isn't loadmodule a 5.1 feature anyway? |
| 04:15.23 | Rozr | so theres no way for me to directy access an SQL database? or is there another way besides loading luasqlite module? |
| 04:15.24 | Iriel | No way whatsoever, the WoW LUA environment is sandboxed, no real time I/O |
| 04:15.34 | Rozr | ouch |
| 04:15.42 | Iriel | SavedVariables are *THE* persistance mechanism |
| 04:15.50 | Iriel | You can do any DB access before you start playing, and after you're done |
| 04:15.52 | Iriel | but not during |
| 04:16.22 | Rozr | wow thats horrid......okay |
| 04:16.29 | Rozr | that ruins my plans lol |
| 04:16.35 | Rozr | ok thanks I appreciate the help |
| 04:16.47 | Iriel | You'd be surprised how many people go through that exact series of questions/responses 8-) |
| 04:17.27 | Rozr | Iriel: thats cuz its such an odd thing to do, thought I'm sure blizzard has security reasons for doing so |
| 04:18.32 | Rozr | well there goes real-time dkp system |
| 04:18.49 | Rozr | lol I though it was odd that nobody had made it realtime |
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| 04:19.08 | Iriel | It's that part I thought would be sure to tip people off |
| 04:19.23 | Iriel | there's usually a good reason that obvious-addon-idea X hasn't been done yet 8-) |
| 04:20.07 | Rozr | yeah, well cant outlook the fact that alot of people are idiots also :) but yes the thought did cross my mind that blizzard had done something to limit us |
| 04:21.31 | ckknight_ | I wish WoW used sqlite instead of the SVs |
| 04:22.06 | Iriel | whyso? |
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| 04:22.25 | Rozr | oo 1 question |
| 04:22.47 | Rozr | would a reloadUI function update the saved-variabes? |
| 04:22.51 | ckknight_ | yes |
| 04:23.15 | Iriel | yes but. |
| 04:23.19 | ckknight_ | Iriel, because it'd be shiny. It'd also save persistently instead of on logout, you could also store more data |
| 04:23.36 | Iriel | it saves them and loads them immediately after |
| 04:23.57 | Iriel | ckknight_ : Well, it sounds like you're asking for more of a DB based persistence model instead of the 'transparent' one we have now |
| 04:24.05 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 04:24.14 | ckknight_ | also, I'd want to do complex SELECTs |
| 04:24.19 | ckknight_ | and have a model structure |
| 04:24.22 | ckknight_ | and such |
| 04:24.34 | Iriel | That I can see the use of, but the existing system with a different storage layer makes little sense |
| 04:24.50 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 04:24.59 | ckknight_ | I really want it for the complex selects |
| 04:25.03 | ckknight_ | and such |
| 04:25.51 | Rozr | Iriel what if it were to load the new variables between when it saves and relods? |
| 04:26.23 | ckknight_ | it doesn't |
| 04:26.39 | Iriel | it just does save / restart UI / reload |
| 04:26.54 | Iriel | Delayed loading LoadOnDemand addons notwithstanding |
| 04:27.30 | ckknight_ | Iriel, why doesn't it load SVs before it runs code? |
| 04:27.44 | ckknight_ | it seems like that would make more sense to me |
| 04:28.24 | Iriel | I'm guessing to make defaults easier to implement |
| 04:29.17 | ckknight_ | Iriel, hrm |
| 04:29.39 | ckknight_ | Iriel, couldn't you just check if not var then ... end |
| 04:29.46 | ckknight_ | :-P |
| 04:30.10 | ckknight_ | or if var == nil then ... end |
| 04:30.16 | ckknight_ | it'd have the same effect |
| 04:30.47 | Iriel | yes, but the same argument can be made for loading code before or after the vars |
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| 04:31.31 | RPTRDmon | so uh |
| 04:32.01 | RPTRDmon | is there any way to automaticly take a screenshot of the scoreboard at the end of a BGs match? |
| 04:32.31 | Iriel | call the Screenshot() method |
| 04:32.36 | Iriel | function, sorry |
| 04:32.53 | RPTRDmon | mmmkay |
| 04:33.08 | RPTRDmon | hmm |
| 04:33.08 | ckknight_ | Iriel, event handling vs. a single if statement? |
| 04:33.40 | RPTRDmon | how would you tell if the scoreboard is up at the end of the match |
| 04:33.40 | Kaelten | hello! |
| 04:34.11 | RPTRDmon | i tried (for wsg) checking the score of each team after they scored |
| 04:34.16 | RPTRDmon | to see if someone had 3/3 |
| 04:34.46 | RPTRDmon | then take the screenshot, but it sometimes takes it too early |
| 04:35.13 | ckknight_ | you check if the frame is shown? |
| 04:35.27 | RPTRDmon | how would i go about doing that :x |
| 04:35.53 | ckknight | if WorldStateScoreFrame:IsShown() then ... end |
| 04:36.08 | RPTRDmon | :] |
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| 04:42.18 | cursenet | ckknight broke it |
| 04:42.25 | ckknight | ? |
| 04:42.31 | cursenet | night! |
| 04:42.42 | RPTRDmon | what's the BATTLEFIELDS_SHOW event? |
| 04:43.13 | RPTRDmon | and is there an event fired when the match is over or when a frame is shown? |
| 04:43.32 | ckknight | my recommendation: Check out GloryLib |
| 04:43.47 | ckknight | it's a library that helps with PvP/BG stuff |
| 04:43.56 | RPTRDmon | k |
| 04:43.57 | ckknight | fires events and such for you |
| 04:44.05 | RPTRDmon | :] |
| 04:44.09 | ckknight | like when a match is won |
| 04:44.16 | RPTRDmon | ok that'll help |
| 04:44.27 | ckknight | get the svn version, I recommend |
| 04:44.44 | RPTRDmon | there a link? |
| 04:44.50 | ckknight | I recently added a fix to pick up AV wins/losses |
| 04:44.59 | ckknight | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/GloryLib |
| 04:46.27 | JoshBorke | woohooo! i got to see firemaw, ebonroc, and uh, flaregor? go down |
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| 04:47.57 | ckknight | hey Miravlix |
| 04:48.31 | Miravlix | heidi hedi ho |
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| 05:10.56 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): one of your libraries is error'ing on me :-/ |
| 05:13.23 | ckknight | which? |
| 05:13.34 | ckknight | saying one of them doesn't help |
| 05:17.07 | JoshBorke | i believe tabletlib with restfu |
| 05:17.29 | JoshBorke | let me check real quick |
| 05:19.13 | JoshBorke | yea, Interface\Addons\FuBar\TabletLib\TableLib.lua:1269: Usage: <unnamed>:SetJustifyH("justify") |
| 05:20.05 | JoshBorke | updating fubar and double checking |
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| 05:21.25 | JoshBorke | ko, fixed :D |
| 05:23.24 | JoshBorke | just ignore me :-) |
| 05:32.22 | ckknight | hehe |
| 05:32.24 | ckknight | what was it? |
| 05:32.54 | ckknight | and you're using an old TabletLib anyway |
| 05:33.12 | dblown | gah i'm such a newb |
| 05:33.29 | dblown | how do i add GloryLib to my addon? |
| 05:33.33 | dblown | or use it |
| 05:33.33 | dblown | etc |
| 05:34.14 | ckknight | thanks for reading the file README.txt |
| 05:34.29 | ckknight | I'm sure it helped you, especially after detailing what to do |
| 05:34.58 | ckknight | and then I'm glad you looked into API.html to tell you how to use it once you have it embedded |
| 05:35.00 | dblown | I did |
| 05:35.18 | dblown | read it |
| 05:35.36 | ckknight | so where's the problem? |
| 05:35.55 | dblown | attempt to index global `GloryLib' (a nil value) |
| 05:38.32 | dblown | :x |
| 05:42.43 | ckknight | is it in your TOC, before your other lua files? |
| 05:43.25 | RPTRDmon | I think so |
| 05:43.28 | RPTRDmon | lemme check |
| 05:43.52 | ckknight | and did you make sure to add the SV to the TOC? |
| 05:44.24 | RPTRDmon | yea |
| 05:46.39 | RPTRDmon | oh i need babblelib |
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| 05:57.50 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight_ ): i like to put mine in a xml file rather than the toc, so i can add files without restarting wow |
| 05:58.07 | Iriel | That doesn't matter |
| 05:58.15 | Iriel | the files part of your .toc is always reloaded on ReloadUI |
| 05:58.31 | JoshBorke | oh? really? just not the ## lines? |
| 05:58.37 | Iriel | Correct |
| 05:58.40 | JoshBorke | well why didn't you tell me! |
| 05:58.41 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 05:58.47 | Iriel | (and of course, files that weren't there when you launched WoW) |
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| 05:59.06 | JoshBorke | well |
| 05:59.14 | JoshBorke | it seems like using the XML, i can load files that weren't there |
| 05:59.44 | Iriel | Hm, you should test that. if it'd true we can complain to slouken |
| 05:59.49 | JoshBorke | yea, testing now |
| 06:01.31 | JoshBorke | hm, ok, i'm decently satisfied :-) |
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| 06:18.48 | Astryl | Iriel, you around still? |
| 06:19.09 | Iriel | partly |
| 06:19.34 | Astryl | Regarding that comment on my addon. |
| 06:19.46 | Astryl | Yeah, I posted a response saying to ignore that troll. |
| 06:21.55 | Astryl | So can you remove that post? |
| 06:22.28 | Iriel | I probably have 'the power' to do so, but for now i'd rather leave it for cair to take care of, unless he comes back. |
| 06:22.35 | Iriel | in which case, i may have to take action |
| 06:22.41 | Astryl | OK. |
| 06:22.50 | Astryl | I'll mention it to Cair in the morning, then. |
| 06:24.11 | Elkano | Iriel, got a small task for you: fix bookworms scrollbar texture alignment :) (fixed it myself but others would love a fixed version on the UI pages) |
| 06:24.50 | Iriel | I know I know 8-( It's on my todo list, I have the emails about it flagged red in my inbox, i'm just drowing in work-work and dont have time yet 8-( |
| 06:25.00 | Iriel | I can actually clean up a lot of that code since 1.10 |
| 06:25.12 | Iriel | I just need 2 hours when i'm not worried about work 8-( |
| 06:26.33 | Elkano | yea, damn hings keeping people from doing what they want to do :/ work, studies, ... having mid term on cryptography in 4hrs :/ |
| 06:29.14 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:36.58 | Elkano | anyone seen the 25k chain lightning crit video? |
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| 06:41.10 | ckknight | would someone mind approving all the addons I just submitted? |
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| 06:47.14 | moonwolf | Iriel could I guess |
| 06:47.45 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:47.51 | ckknight | I'm trying to implore him to do it |
| 06:47.55 | ckknight | Iriel, *poke* |
| 06:48.01 | ckknight | ~poke Iriel |
| 06:48.07 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Iriel, pokes Iriel repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 06:48.50 | s|loup | can anyone check if this is correct: /script local u={};for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers() do local _,c=UnitClass("raid"..i);if c=="SHAMAN" then u.insert(UnitName("raid"..i));end SendChatMessage("Your turn!","WHISPER",nil,u[math.random(getn(u))]); |
| 06:49.31 | s|loup | or must i use table.insert(u,UnitName("raid"..i)) |
| 06:50.22 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:50.28 | Elkano | test it but I doubt the first one will work |
| 06:50.33 | ckknight | u.insert doesn't work |
| 06:50.38 | Wobin | table.insert is required |
| 06:50.45 | s|loup | ok thanks |
| 06:50.45 | ckknight | you need table.insert(u, UnitName("raid" .. i)) |
| 06:51.00 | ckknight | other than that, looks good |
| 06:51.11 | Iriel | ckknight : Once i'm done with this other stuff, i'll go look |
| 06:51.17 | ckknight | Iriel, thanks |
| 06:51.20 | Elkano | u.insert = function (x) table.insert(u, x) end ;) |
| 06:51.54 | Elkano | but could mess up getn |
| 06:52.12 | ckknight | no |
| 06:52.13 | ckknight | it won't |
| 06:52.39 | Elkano | great :) well, back to sream and block cyphers for me :/ |
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| 07:10.08 | trc | anyone in here than can answer any mod developer questions? |
| 07:11.00 | Iriel | yes? |
| 07:11.22 | trc | are you familiar with CTRaidAssist? |
| 07:11.30 | Iriel | tangentially |
| 07:11.30 | Elkano | (why do people on IRC tend to ask questions about asking questions instead of asking questions about problems? :/ ) |
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| 07:11.57 | krka|work | not sure anyone here can answer _any_ mod dev question |
| 07:12.21 | trc | well with CTRA someone can 'whisper' the raid leader a keyword like "invite" and the raid leader automatically invites them to the raid |
| 07:12.38 | trc | however, when you are the raid leader, the 'whisper' never shows up in your chat window |
| 07:12.41 | krka|work | is this a mod dev question or a mod usage question? |
| 07:12.48 | trc | mod developement |
| 07:13.05 | Iriel | CTRA hooks ChatFrame_OnEvent and 'eats' the events that are directed at it |
| 07:13.24 | ckknight_ | trc, see BossBlock, by Tekkub |
| 07:13.43 | trc | i was looking at the code and it seemed like they used the CHAT_MSG_WHISPER event |
| 07:14.16 | Iriel | Yes, they probably both register for it, and detect it in a method hook (though it could all be done via the hook) |
| 07:14.20 | trc | so i am developing something that sorta works like that, off a whisper keyword, and i call my function with that CHAT_MSG_WHISPER event but i still see the whisper |
| 07:14.33 | trc | hmmm okay i'll take a closer look at that, thanks |
| 07:16.17 | Iriel | ckknight_ : You're done |
| 07:16.17 | krka|work | use the event to get it, and the hook to cancel it |
| 07:16.26 | krka|work | since you may not always be able to rely on just the hook |
| 07:16.36 | ckknight_ | Iriel, in a bad way? |
| 07:16.43 | Iriel | No, in a good way |
| 07:16.51 | ckknight_ | ah, okay |
| 07:16.55 | Iriel | File Queue (0) |
| 07:17.16 | ckknight_ | why don't my libs show up in New & Updated? |
| 07:17.26 | ckknight_ | well, some (TabletLib) do, some don't |
| 07:17.48 | Iriel | I have no idea |
| 07:17.53 | Iriel | did you upload them all the same way? |
| 07:18.10 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 07:18.19 | ckknight_ | and why doesn't TabletLib have my image anymore? |
| 07:19.04 | Iriel | I dont know, those would be Dolby questions |
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| 07:19.45 | ckknight_ | :-P |
| 07:19.50 | ckknight_ | Dolby doesn't use IRC |
| 07:19.56 | ckknight_ | and Cairenn's not online |
| 07:20.04 | trc | when i hook the chatframe_onevent function, after i'm done doing what i need to do, do i need to reset the value of the original chatframe_onevent function? |
| 07:20.08 | ckknight_ | which is unlike her... |
| 07:20.18 | Iriel | thunderstorms |
| 07:20.22 | Iriel | she shut her computer down |
| 07:20.24 | ckknight_ | trc, employ safe hooking |
| 07:20.39 | Elkano | ckknight, wrt TabletLib: |
| 07:20.40 | Elkano | Developers: |
| 07:20.40 | Elkano | Place the TabletLib.lua file into your AddOn's folder, then add TabletLib.lua to the .toc file. |
| 07:20.40 | Elkano | Then, to access the library, in your code, write `local dew = TabletLib:GetInstance("1.0")`. |
| 07:20.40 | Elkano | From that point on, you can access DewdroptLib's functions. |
| 07:20.43 | moonwolf | http://geebasonparade.keenspot.com/comics/20060329.jpg |
| 07:20.48 | Iriel | trc: For something like that you generally hook and remain hooked |
| 07:20.48 | ckknight_ | whoops |
| 07:21.02 | Iriel | Just put your hook into "pass-through mode" |
| 07:21.19 | Iriel | Until it needs to be active again, then it does its thing |
| 07:21.39 | ckknight_ | fixed, Elkano |
| 07:21.54 | trc | okay thanks iriel, that was kinda over my head but i'll figure it out |
| 07:22.12 | ckknight_ | trc, there are some frameworks that'll make it easier on you |
| 07:22.28 | ckknight_ | for example, AceHooks is pretty handy for stuff like that |
| 07:22.49 | trc | okay thanks |
| 07:23.20 | ckknight_ | hey, woot, FuBar surpassed Titan for downloads |
| 07:23.31 | ckknight_ | on WoWI |
| 07:23.51 | moonwolf | \o/ |
| 07:24.53 | krka|work | am i still the only one who thinks hooking helpers are total overkill? |
| 07:24.59 | ckknight_ | no |
| 07:25.04 | ckknight_ | er |
| 07:25.06 | ckknight_ | yes |
| 07:25.07 | ckknight_ | you are |
| 07:25.09 | s|loup | lol |
| 07:25.11 | moonwolf | yes yes you are. |
| 07:25.28 | ckknight_ | hooking helpers are only really necessary if you unhook |
| 07:25.48 | ckknight_ | if you don't, then it's much less of a deal |
| 07:25.54 | Elkano | btw: ck, wouldn't it be better to make sure you only have CRLF line endings? (mainly for the readme files) |
| 07:26.16 | krka|work | meh, you can never guarantee that you can properly unhook anyway |
| 07:26.17 | ckknight_ | Elkano, err, I don't? |
| 07:26.36 | Elkano | nope, eg TabletLib's readme dowsn't |
| 07:26.36 | Iriel | I would say they are often overkill, but can be helpful to folks who dont want to sweat the small stuff |
| 07:27.16 | ckknight_ | Elkano, well, oh well |
| 07:27.26 | ckknight_ | I'll make sure it fixes it for future releases |
| 07:30.57 | krka|work | cool, iriel sorta-agreeage! |
| 07:36.33 | Crispix | MOONY!!! |
| 07:36.35 | Crispix | grr |
| 07:36.53 | moonwolf | *munch munch* WHAAT ??? |
| 07:37.18 | Elessdy | so i recently gave EVE a try |
| 07:37.27 | moonwolf | and ? |
| 07:37.30 | ckknight | beat that, Crispix |
| 07:37.53 | Crispix | Done and done. |
| 07:37.55 | Elessdy | i have found that i am getting the most enjoyment from the game at this moment by getting a small donation from a well-established player with which to buy skills and just letting them train while i do other things |
| 07:38.11 | Kalroth | Elessdy: undock and go into 0.0 space! |
| 07:38.12 | Elessdy | that is, i intend to login around 3:30 to choose the next skill level to train, but that's about it |
| 07:38.44 | moonwolf | eve so has a weird skill system. |
| 07:38.44 | ckknight | Crispix, don't get hooked on the supercool |
| 07:38.44 | Elessdy | there is nothing even vaguely interesting for me to do (especially on a trial account) for what looks like it may be weeks. i doubt i'll be subscribing. |
| 07:38.51 | Kalroth | I like it, you don't need to worry about skills much, just start a skill and go do things in the game |
| 07:39.37 | Elessdy | it's an interesting skill system, but it does take away a sense of accomplishment |
| 07:40.02 | Iriel | Measure your accomplishment in ISK |
| 07:40.13 | Iriel | or, your ability to generate ISK on your own |
| 07:40.16 | Elessdy | i have no motivation to actually do anything in-game except -- and this is even less entertaining than grinding for levels -- grinding for reputation with a faction so i can use higher level agents in the future |
| 07:40.17 | Kalroth | ISK or PVP skills :) |
| 07:40.51 | Kalroth | PVP is endgame in EVE, completely the opposite of WoW |
| 07:40.54 | Elessdy | well, grinding kill or courier missions for money just isn't what i had in mind for entertaining gameplay :/ |
| 07:40.56 | Iriel | Buying my first mining barge was a sense of accomplishment for me |
| 07:41.15 | Kalroth | first Cruiser, first Battleship, first Mining Barge |
| 07:41.28 | Kalroth | I remember buying a Thorax :D |
| 07:41.32 | Elessdy | i'd love to give mining a fair shot, but the trial accounts can't learn to fly industrial ships so it would only be on a very small scale -- the Navitas can't carry much. |
| 07:41.32 | Iriel | I went a slightly different order 8-) |
| 07:41.38 | Kalroth | and building my own Dominix |
| 07:41.49 | Iriel | You dont need an indy to do profitable mining |
| 07:42.04 | moonwolf | can you afk mine too ? |
| 07:42.08 | Kalroth | I earned my Thorax in a small ship |
| 07:42.14 | Iriel | If you dont mind being afk blown up 8-) |
| 07:42.19 | Kalroth | moonwolf: in the higher security systems you can, I think |
| 07:42.20 | Elessdy | but then we're back to grinding. i mean, if i wanted to grind, i'd renew my subscription to WoW and work on my 46 druid -.-; |
| 07:42.24 | Kalroth | 1.0 to 0.9 or so |
| 07:42.42 | Kalroth | Elessdy: Like I said, PvP is the endgame of EVE |
| 07:42.43 | moonwolf | 1.0 is goog 0.0 is bad ? |
| 07:42.44 | Iriel | You always have to worry about rats tho, even in the safe systems |
| 07:42.51 | Iriel | Yes, 1.0 is good |
| 07:42.53 | moonwolf | good* |
| 07:42.55 | Kalroth | Iriel: ah ok, they added those then |
| 07:43.11 | Kalroth | moonwolf: 1.0 = lots of npc cops and standing penalty |
| 07:43.12 | Elessdy | indeed it is, which means i won't see any of it for weeks yet. at least, none in which i can be the victor. |
| 07:43.14 | Iriel | Elessdy : I found eve to be a strange game, and it's definitely not for everyone |
| 07:43.18 | Kalroth | moonwolf: 0.0 = nothing of either |
| 07:43.27 | moonwolf | k |
| 07:43.38 | Iriel | It's brutal, and also very open, you kind of make of it what you will |
| 07:43.44 | Elessdy | i can definitely see why people like it, oh yes |
| 07:43.52 | Kalroth | I played it for over a year, the player battles in EVE can't be compared to any game I've seen so far |
| 07:43.53 | Iriel | I hated it for 3 days before I 'got' it and went "oh!" |
| 07:43.57 | Kalroth | They're truely epic |
| 07:44.21 | Kalroth | 200+ players in a strategic battle with scouts, cruisers, battleships, etc |
| 07:44.28 | Elessdy | see, i would like to see some of that, maybe. but i am not sure i want to pay $15 per month for 4 months just to pop in occasionally and switch skill training :( |
| 07:44.33 | moonwolf | why can they make something like starlancer, wingcommander or freespace in an mmo. |
| 07:44.46 | Kalroth | not everyone can be the hero :) |
| 07:45.20 | Kalroth | that's the problem with games like that, everyone wants to be Luke Skywalker, noone wants to be the used parts salesman :) |
| 07:45.37 | moonwolf | I dont want to mine or trade or be a pirate, I want to get a ship in a squad and blow stuff up. |
| 07:45.43 | moonwolf | not necesary a hero. |
| 07:45.54 | moonwolf | but focus on flying skills and stuff. |
| 07:46.02 | moonwolf | as far as I understand eve. |
| 07:46.15 | Kalroth | Sure, so join one of the corporations that lives on the border |
| 07:46.16 | moonwolf | its not what I am looking for. |
| 07:46.30 | Elessdy | technically, you can make money by doing the complexes or kill missions, but... |
| 07:46.35 | Iriel | Eve has few if any twitch reflex requirements |
| 07:46.49 | Kalroth | There's a natural progress though; few weeks of mining -> npc missions -> player vs player |
| 07:47.17 | Kalroth | it's not a single player game, you don't get to go into battle from day one |
| 07:48.11 | moonwolf | ill hapily be fighter pilot number 5 in squad number 7. but I dont want to do the first two steps. |
| 07:48.13 | Elessdy | the first few weeks are very off-putting if you expected to do something fun |
| 07:48.35 | Elessdy | at least, that's how it looks from the perspective of 3 days in, looking into the future |
| 07:48.39 | Kalroth | there's a steep learning curve in EVE too |
| 07:48.41 | moonwolf | and I want more focus on player skill then char skill as I see it in eve as an outsider. |
| 07:48.59 | Elkano | ck, I still don't find any useraccessable way to specify a fixed point for tabletlib at runtime :/ |
| 07:49.23 | Iriel | moonwolf : Puzzle pirates! |
| 07:49.28 | moonwolf | ? |
| 07:49.31 | Iriel | moonwolf : That has a definite player skill component |
| 07:49.37 | Iriel | COmpletely not eve 8-) |
| 07:49.40 | Kalroth | lol |
| 07:49.54 | Iriel | also, they have a micropayment 'free' ocean, so you can try it out without any money! |
| 07:50.11 | moonwolf | lol |
| 07:50.18 | moonwolf | id like yust a bit more graphics. |
| 07:50.35 | Elessdy | or you can play freelancer on the VOID server, which allows you to pvp against other people occasionally in one of all of two ships that everyone uses |
| 07:50.38 | Iriel | What about jumpgate? |
| 07:50.49 | Elessdy | man... i wonder if drugs can entertain me |
| 07:50.55 | Kalroth | Jumpgate is too dull now, Iriel |
| 07:51.03 | moonwolf | not the limited 50 player servers thing |
| 07:51.06 | Kalroth | It's waaaaay too mission based |
| 07:51.07 | moonwolf | a true mmo. |
| 07:51.10 | Iriel | Oh, hm. |
| 07:51.18 | Elessdy | what about subspace? |
| 07:51.27 | s|loup | wanst thee a game called vendetta ? |
| 07:51.27 | Iriel | Jumpgate could've gone somewhere impressive if they'd kept their tech up to date |
| 07:51.33 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 07:51.41 | Kalroth | I played it for like 2-3 months |
| 07:51.46 | s|loup | i think there is true player skill |
| 07:51.55 | Kalroth | But then I realized that I'd been doing the same over and over :) |
| 07:52.11 | s|loup | yes thats as ever game *g* |
| 07:52.26 | Kalroth | It was even worse than WoW :) |
| 07:53.00 | Kalroth | in the beginning there was 3 starbases in Jumpgate, missions were (surprise!); "Fly stuff from 1 to 2" |
| 07:53.09 | Kalroth | you earned money by trading |
| 07:53.14 | Kalroth | "Fly stuff from 2 to 1" |
| 07:53.21 | Elessdy | sounds like EVE >_> |
| 07:53.31 | Kalroth | or killing NPCs "Fly between 1 to 2" |
| 07:53.33 | Iriel | What I liked most about jumpgate was you actually had to fly your ship |
| 07:53.37 | Kalroth | Elessdy: In the beginning, yeah |
| 07:53.43 | Kalroth | Iriel: yup, could use a joystick etc |
| 07:53.53 | Kalroth | Docking was very fun in Jumpgate |
| 07:54.04 | Elkano | ckknight, and there is a bug in MoneyFu reulting in your current money being calculated as spent instead ov having and alts showing up with no money in tooltip (after you've logged into them... those you havent still show correctly) |
| 07:54.06 | Kalroth | there was always some newbie that crashed into station or you :) |
| 07:54.40 | ckknight | Elkano, blah |
| 07:54.42 | Iriel | I do feel that space games are seriously underrepresented in the MMO world |
| 07:54.49 | ckknight | Elkano, I don't want to debug it |
| 07:55.05 | Iriel | I suspect it's partly because space is very big, so you end up having to come up with contrived ways to bring the players together |
| 07:55.22 | Kalroth | speaking of which, did you see the mmog charts, Iriel? EVE is at like 150k active accounts now |
| 07:55.42 | Elessdy | i wonder how many of those belong to the same people |
| 07:55.52 | Kalroth | oh and WoW is at 6.5 million active accounts :) |
| 07:55.53 | Iriel | I dont really track those things, I do notice their peak concurrency numbers going up all the time tho |
| 07:55.56 | krka|work | Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. |
| 07:55.58 | Kalroth | http://www.mmogchart.com/ |
| 07:56.14 | Kalroth | oh oops, only 125k for EVE online >< |
| 07:56.57 | moonwolf | space is easy to keep smaller. |
| 07:57.08 | Kalroth | 0.0 is for sure :p |
| 07:57.09 | moonwolf | limit the player space. |
| 07:57.16 | krka|work | just keep fun stuff on planets |
| 07:57.24 | Kalroth | krka, EVE is planning that |
| 07:57.29 | Elkano | ck, bug seems to have happend after rev 2092 |
| 07:58.15 | moonwolf | space games are simply not a very big genre |
| 07:58.17 | moonwolf | I mean |
| 07:58.26 | moonwolf | how many of you played x2 or x3 ? |
| 07:58.31 | s|loup | me |
| 07:58.55 | s|loup | i hoped x3 would be multiplayer but doesnt happend |
| 07:59.00 | moonwolf | that makes two of us then. |
| 07:59.28 | Elessdy | i should buy Heroes 3. |
| 07:59.30 | Elessdy | er, 5. |
| 07:59.58 | Elessdy | sorry if that's a bit off-topic |
| 08:00.06 | Iriel | Elessdy : I'm torn on it |
| 08:00.11 | Iriel | Elessdy : the multiplayer is god-awful |
| 08:00.29 | Iriel | Elessdy : The single player is fun, but i;'m not sure it's worth full price for |
| 08:00.50 | Elessdy | well, i would never expect multiplay from that. i've played heroes 3 and i enjoyed it to some extent |
| 08:01.19 | Elkano | ckknight, found the bug I think: line 319: self.charData.time[today] = self.charData.spent[time] or 0 |
| 08:01.21 | Elessdy | then again, i never got very far because it just couldn't hold my interest, despite being an excellent game. maybe i shouldn't. |
| 08:01.36 | ckknight | Elkano, ah |
| 08:01.41 | ckknight | Elkano, mind fixing it? |
| 08:01.45 | moonwolf | I liked heroes 5 campaign |
| 08:01.47 | Iriel | That's been my experience playing someone else's copy of HMM5, it was cool for a couple of nights and then blah |
| 08:01.54 | moonwolf | I dont like turned base enough to do multiplayer. |
| 08:01.55 | Elkano | k, I'll do :) |
| 08:02.11 | Elessdy | i'd love to encourage them for making heroes 5 a good game like heroes 3, but actually, though i recognize it as a good game, it doesn't truly appeal to me like many others do |
| 08:02.33 | Elessdy | same goes for civilization 4 |
| 08:02.34 | Elkano | I'll go ahead, maybe there's sth else, too |
| 08:02.58 | Iriel | I end up playing Civ 4 all the time |
| 08:03.26 | ckknight | Civ 4 is awesome |
| 08:04.13 | Elessdy | just doesn't do it for me. :( my attention span is way too short. |
| 08:04.40 | Iriel | Have you tried the Bang Howdy beta yet? |
| 08:04.50 | Elessdy | haven't heard of it |
| 08:04.59 | moonwolf | aha |
| 08:05.03 | Iriel | it's by the puzzle pirates folks, but it's got more RTS aspects to it |
| 08:05.11 | Iriel | it's in free beta right now |
| 08:05.13 | Corrodias | the storm seems to have passed on, so i can settle on my name, again |
| 08:05.31 | Iriel | http://www.banghowdy.com/ |
| 08:05.47 | Corrodias | such a terrible name... unless it has something to do with redneck sex |
| 08:05.52 | Corrodias | in which case i don't even want to think about it |
| 08:06.05 | Elkano | ckknight, seems like GetMoney() returns 0 when PLAYER_LOGOUT fires |
| 08:06.12 | ckknight | Elkano, ah, damn |
| 08:06.13 | Iriel | Chances are it'll fail your graphics requirements, but it's neat. |
| 08:06.19 | moonwolf | Corrodias, what storm, why do storms need name changes ? |
| 08:06.24 | ckknight | Elkano, didn't expect that |
| 08:06.24 | Iriel | chances are it gets zeroed when the player leaves the world. |
| 08:07.15 | Corrodias | my second router cannot handle ANY fluctuation in power, even the miniscule, practically nonexistant interruption when the UPS switches to battery power during a momentary power loss. |
| 08:07.30 | ckknight | so would checking it on PLW return 0 or the right number? |
| 08:07.36 | Elkano | me neither but would explain the bug (haven't tested it though) |
| 08:07.36 | Corrodias | reconnecting to IRC a few seconds later gives me whichever name i wasn't using last |
| 08:08.00 | Elkano | well, I'll change teh event and test |
| 08:08.08 | Iriel | Hm, maybe there's a bad capacitor in the 2nd router? |
| 08:08.11 | Corrodias | i have no real graphics requirements. i still play subspace, occasionally, whose graphics are 11 years old. >_> |
| 08:08.24 | ckknight | Elkano, thanks, I'm, uh, studying |
| 08:08.38 | Elkano | well, I should be, too ^^' |
| 08:09.37 | Corrodias | looks interesting. i'll examine it more closely, later. |
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| 08:13.08 | ckknight | I'm actually reading up on assorted American wars |
| 08:14.01 | moonwolf | you americans have no idea what a WAR is . |
| 08:14.12 | moonwolf | did you have an 80 year war a 100 year war |
| 08:14.15 | moonwolf | ha not even close. |
| 08:14.33 | Elkano | ckknight, I'm learning my cryptographie stuff for midterm... |
| 08:14.44 | Elkano | and PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD didn't fix |
| 08:15.05 | Miravlix | They do know what war is, it's when they kill other americans |
| 08:15.34 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:15.37 | ckknight | lousy British |
| 08:15.52 | ckknight | moonwolf, Americans average a war every 20 years |
| 08:15.59 | ckknight | that's once every generation, on average |
| 08:16.09 | ckknight | which means that it's part of every generation's culture |
| 08:16.34 | Miravlix | There haven't been a War the US has been involved in since there Civil war |
| 08:16.40 | moonwolf | we had generations that grew up and died in a war. |
| 08:16.45 | moonwolf | and thier kids did too. |
| 08:17.00 | moonwolf | luckely |
| 08:17.03 | moonwolf | we grew out of that. |
| 08:17.21 | Miravlix | Throwing a few nukes at the end of WWII hardly qualifies as getting your hands dirty. |
| 08:17.54 | Corrodias | wow, Miravlix is playing his part pretty well |
| 08:17.58 | Miravlix | All the other stuff, is just policeing the world |
| 08:18.01 | Corrodias | but i'm not sure i see his motivation |
| 08:18.17 | Corrodias | you get a 73% for lack of backstory |
| 08:19.28 | Miravlix | The British fought WWII and the US come in at the end and takes the glory. |
| 08:20.06 | moonwolf | true |
| 08:20.07 | Corrodias | maybe there will be a prequel to explain why mir is trolling |
| 08:20.13 | Iriel | I do believe it can be argued that americans do have a rather strange skewed view of war, compared to the europeans. |
| 08:20.17 | ckknight | Miravlix, would you rather US not come in? |
| 08:20.22 | moonwolf | if it wasnt for that nice little british island my country would look a lot different these days. |
| 08:20.27 | Elkano | ck, shall I comment out/delete the PLAYER_LOGOUT event? |
| 08:20.32 | ckknight | yes |
| 08:20.36 | Iriel | I dont think it's so much trolling as an alternate perspective |
| 08:20.39 | ckknight | did PLW work? |
| 08:20.53 | moonwolf | Iriel, could you explain ? |
| 08:21.04 | Iriel | Well, distance, for a start |
| 08:21.11 | Iriel | the US hasn't had a real war nearby |
| 08:21.19 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:21.23 | Iriel | they're always somewhere else, or with themselves |
| 08:21.30 | Iriel | that makes a HUGE difference |
| 08:21.30 | moonwolf | true, they only war the us had on its own soil was the civil war. |
| 08:21.40 | ckknight | right |
| 08:21.45 | moonwolf | war to you is going to someonese and THEM. |
| 08:21.49 | moonwolf | someone else* |
| 08:21.56 | moonwolf | killing them* |
| 08:22.10 | Miravlix | Going to someone else is policing the world, not war. |
| 08:22.11 | Iriel | I think that's oen of the reasons 9/11 was such a shock |
| 08:22.19 | Iriel | the europeans have had CITIES destroyed before |
| 08:22.20 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 08:22.41 | moonwolf | to us, (even this generation) wars are when people go to a border and fight for it. |
| 08:22.55 | Corrodias | it's aggressive war. being on the defense is not a requirement for something to qualify as a war. |
| 08:23.57 | moonwolf | in all truth , what would happen if someone took an army to america and started fighting THERE. |
| 08:23.58 | Corrodias | but i know you understand that |
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| 08:24.02 | moonwolf | there would be utter chaos. |
| 08:24.13 | Corrodias | what you're doing is attacking the language as a political statement |
| 08:24.16 | Kalroth | Americans wouldn't know what to nuke :) |
| 08:24.19 | ckknight | Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. |
| 08:24.25 | Miravlix | Would prolly start a civil war |
| 08:24.27 | Iriel | Well, I think it's more the reality of what a war is |
| 08:24.38 | Iriel | they're all wars, there are just different flavors |
| 08:24.47 | Iriel | the US only tastes one of them, really |
| 08:25.11 | moonwolf | war is when army x decides that country/person/poeple y needs killing/anexing. |
| 08:25.18 | Iriel | (and thank you all for not invoking the 'war on terror' political junk) |
| 08:25.24 | ckknight | war on drugs! |
| 08:25.40 | moonwolf | you cant fight a concept, all I am going to say. |
| 08:25.56 | Iriel | Ask someone from say, Dresden, what they think about the use of the word 'war' in that context. |
| 08:26.17 | Miravlix | It's all policing the world, it's needed, but it's not really war, except some people likes using the word because it brings votes. |
| 08:26.36 | Iriel | And because it gives the president more power than normal |
| 08:26.42 | moonwolf | yeah |
| 08:26.44 | Kalroth | War is a political state, not a physical state. |
| 08:26.56 | Iriel | I think it's both |
| 08:27.02 | Iriel | but to the average american, just the latter |
| 08:27.21 | Kalroth | Well the physical action is often the end result, yes |
| 08:27.22 | Iriel | Not that *I* have ever experienced real war, thankfully. |
| 08:27.26 | Kalroth | but look at USA vs USSR |
| 08:27.30 | Kalroth | It was very much a war |
| 08:27.41 | moonwolf | not in my concept of a war it was. |
| 08:27.42 | Kalroth | but it luckily never errupted |
| 08:27.51 | Iriel | It was the potential for a war |
| 08:27.51 | Kalroth | erupted* |
| 08:28.03 | Iriel | I dont think it ever reached 'war' proportions though |
| 08:28.12 | Iriel | Except in the purely political sense |
| 08:28.17 | Miravlix | Cold War, was an Atomic Standoff, it would be the end of the world if they fought |
| 08:28.27 | Corrodias | i believe a war is a conflict that includes a series of battles, physical or otherwise |
| 08:28.29 | moonwolf | stop saying end of the world |
| 08:28.35 | moonwolf | it wouldnt even dent the damn world. |
| 08:28.38 | Miravlix | Neither side would have used troops, just nukes. |
| 08:28.44 | moonwolf | it would be the potential end of our culture |
| 08:28.49 | moonwolf | and that is where it stops. |
| 08:28.51 | Iriel | I have a theory about US versus UK science fiction films from the 60's and 70's |
| 08:29.10 | Iriel | the apocalyptic ones seemed to be kidn of different |
| 08:29.23 | Iriel | UK ones would have the earth already overun, and the people trying to revolt |
| 08:29.44 | Iriel | and the US ones would have the earth in danger of being ovverun, but the people victoriously holding the aliens back |
| 08:29.50 | moonwolf | hmmm |
| 08:29.53 | ckknight | moonwolf, in the anthrocentric system that we have, it would be the end of the world. |
| 08:29.54 | moonwolf | thats a good point |
| 08:30.06 | Miravlix | Uuh, War of the Worlds? |
| 08:30.11 | moonwolf | war of the world vs. independance day |
| 08:30.24 | Miravlix | But WoW was an invasion |
| 08:30.30 | Iriel | Have you seen the older WotW movie? |
| 08:30.35 | moonwolf | a damn good sucsesfull one. |
| 08:30.37 | Kalroth | they won in the original movie? :) |
| 08:30.58 | Kirkburn | Died in the same way, no? |
| 08:31.04 | Corrodias | my memory of the book is hazy. i only remember what stopped them. i think. |
| 08:31.11 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_%28novel%29 |
| 08:31.16 | Miravlix | The common cold killed them |
| 08:31.20 | moonwolf | yeah |
| 08:31.31 | Kalroth | "The book contains a thoroughly worked-out alternative ending, presented through the vision of an artilleryman which the hero meets in his wanderings: The Martians would rule Earth for generations to come; most humans (especially the "soft" middle classes towards whom complete contempt is shown) would soon get used to being domestic animals" |
| 08:31.33 | Corrodias | omgspoilerz |
| 08:31.36 | moonwolf | but in essence humanity was beating and inches away from death |
| 08:31.48 | Iriel | I'll note H.G. Wells was english |
| 08:31.52 | moonwolf | Kalroth, that what I meant. |
| 08:32.26 | Kalroth | "a nucleus of daring humans would hide out in tunnels and sewers, and would have approximately the same place in the Martian-dominated ecology as rats in the previous human one" |
| 08:32.38 | Iriel | Anyway, in spite of this interesting and entirely unexpected converstion, I must go and sleep |
| 08:32.40 | Iriel | goodnight all |
| 08:32.41 | Miravlix | Independence day is beating back the invasion before it fully lands. WotC is winning after you lost |
| 08:32.45 | moonwolf | night. |
| 08:32.45 | Kalroth | g'night Iriel :) |
| 08:32.54 | Kalroth | Miravlix: Yup |
| 08:32.55 | Corrodias | ni |
| 08:33.06 | Kirkburn | English people rock :) |
| 08:33.25 | Miravlix | They watch the most porn |
| 08:33.47 | moonwolf | they do ? |
| 08:33.48 | Miravlix | So not sure how much they really 'rock' if they need porn that much. :) |
| 08:33.54 | moonwolf | brits rock! |
| 08:34.00 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 08:34.21 | Miravlix | Yeah, recent survey made, Brits is king of Porn watching |
| 08:34.43 | moonwolf | who MAKES the most porn though / |
| 08:34.44 | Miravlix | It also mentioned that 40% of females watch porn |
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| 08:34.51 | Kirkburn | 40%! |
| 08:34.58 | moonwolf | that number is lower then I expected. |
| 08:35.03 | moonwolf | how many males ? |
| 08:35.39 | Kirkburn | I don't believe that number ... |
| 08:35.53 | Miravlix | Didn't read it except for a few highlights, so not sure |
| 08:36.00 | Miravlix | I would guess around 100% |
| 08:36.01 | moonwolf | k |
| 08:36.07 | moonwolf | hehe |
| 08:36.09 | Kirkburn | Well, we are more liberal than much of the US |
| 08:36.15 | moonwolf | hell |
| 08:36.20 | moonwolf | the us isnt liberal at all. |
| 08:36.21 | Kirkburn | Less religious, anyway |
| 08:36.26 | Miravlix | No No, Kirk |
| 08:36.42 | Miravlix | Your confusing American official attitude with whats acceptable adult behavior |
| 08:36.45 | ckknight | lousy liberals |
| 08:36.53 | ckknight | :-P |
| 08:37.00 | moonwolf | Watching porn isnt accepatable adult behavior ? |
| 08:37.05 | Miravlix | Porn is fine for Adult Americans, they just don't want it for there kids |
| 08:37.16 | moonwolf | well |
| 08:37.21 | moonwolf | they are selfish! |
| 08:37.45 | ckknight | America is very much family-values oriented for everyone 0-17 |
| 08:37.49 | Kirkburn | You have an awful lot more conservative christians in the US |
| 08:37.52 | ckknight | after that, it's like, get to work or go fuck yourself |
| 08:37.53 | Miravlix | Americans around some pretorian people, they are pretty free sexually behind the closed door |
| 08:38.22 | moonwolf | wait, that doesnt make sense. |
| 08:38.23 | Miravlix | They just have that closed door policy that people mistaking takes as them being prudes |
| 08:38.37 | Kirkburn | But the survey said .... |
| 08:38.43 | Miravlix | Americans aren't some victorian people, duh |
| 08:38.56 | Kirkburn | No, I don't believe that :P |
| 08:38.58 | moonwolf | they raise their kids to not be sexual... and then do weird stuff in the bedroom when the kids are asleep. |
| 08:39.35 | ckknight | yep |
| 08:40.16 | moonwolf | hypocrits. |
| 08:40.19 | Kirkburn | The victorians had porn anyway |
| 08:40.25 | Miravlix | They try to keep sex away from there offspring, but after they grow up it's a different ball game. |
| 08:40.33 | moonwolf | the victorians had orgies. |
| 08:40.45 | Kirkburn | Well, er, probably yes |
| 08:40.49 | moonwolf | and gay's. |
| 08:40.57 | Kirkburn | Er, yes |
| 08:41.06 | moonwolf | and all that other bad stuff. |
| 08:41.12 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 08:41.14 | Miravlix | bad? |
| 08:41.40 | Kalroth | Victorias Secret :P~~ |
| 08:41.44 | moonwolf | :P |
| 08:42.00 | Kirkburn | moonwolf, you are joking, right? |
| 08:42.04 | moonwolf | nope |
| 08:42.17 | Kirkburn | About what you implied, I mean |
| 08:42.27 | Kalroth | nothing bad about orgies, the more the merrier |
| 08:42.57 | moonwolf | oh I ment that in a american parent towards children point of view. |
| 08:43.01 | moonwolf | I dont mind orgies. |
| 08:43.33 | krka|work | funny... are any of you who are discussing americans actually american? :) |
| 08:43.46 | moonwolf | as long as the female male ratio is 50% or higher in female part. |
| 08:43.48 | ckknight | I've lived in America since I was 4 |
| 08:43.55 | Kirkburn | We'll, I think it's obvious I'm not :P |
| 08:44.00 | moonwolf | Dutchy. |
| 08:44.04 | moonwolf | we have legal hookers. |
| 08:44.11 | Kalroth | Same in Denmark |
| 08:44.28 | Kirkburn | You don't get much for liberal than the Dutch and Danes |
| 08:44.28 | moonwolf | hell its a tradition to show tits in every damn dutch movie. |
| 08:44.35 | Kirkburn | s/for/more/ |
| 08:44.36 | Kalroth | Both female and male hookers! |
| 08:44.41 | moonwolf | ayep. |
| 08:45.27 | Miravlix | Hookers aren't illegal in Denmark, but they aren't official condoned either so they lack some protection and being a pimp is illegal |
| 08:45.57 | Kirkburn | I see no reason for pimps to ever be legal, they make money off 'selling' women |
| 08:46.04 | moonwolf | im not sure how the dutch law works on hookers. they might be ... euh condoned is the word I think. |
| 08:46.11 | Kirkburn | However, the women themselves can make their own choices |
| 08:46.13 | moonwolf | or they might be legaly protected. |
| 08:46.22 | moonwolf | but its comes down to the same thing. |
| 08:46.25 | Kalroth | Miravlix: No, hookers got legalized, they used to be illigal. I don't see how it can get more official than that. :) |
| 08:46.41 | Miravlix | They are in a grey zone |
| 08:46.48 | Kirkburn | It's probably more like it's just not illegal any more |
| 08:47.03 | moonwolf | isnt the default for not illegal, legal ? |
| 08:47.09 | Kirkburn | I doubt it's an officially recognised profession, I mean |
| 08:47.18 | Miravlix | You can't declare your taxes and put hooker as job |
| 08:47.30 | Kalroth | Nope, it can't be your main income, that's true |
| 08:47.57 | Kalroth | "Prostitution as such is legal, but it is illegal to make a living off it, i.e. you must have another source of income. This is actually only enforced against people living off other people's prostitution." |
| 08:48.03 | Kalroth | Eg. the pimps |
| 08:48.16 | Miravlix | I forgot if Denmark has laws about buying sex is illegal or not, or it was just talks a while back |
| 08:48.28 | Kalroth | They had laws against it |
| 08:48.36 | Kalroth | they were lifted in uhh 2001? or so |
| 08:48.47 | moonwolf | at least you wont get your ass in jail for some sex. |
| 08:48.52 | moonwolf | thats what counts. |
| 08:49.06 | Kalroth | aha |
| 08:49.19 | Kalroth | "In March 1999, Denmark's Parliament legalised prostitution." |
| 08:50.19 | Kirkburn | I have a big fat man on my balcony, he's so close to falling off... |
| 08:50.27 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: Go push him! |
| 08:50.30 | ckknight | man, I want to be a pimp |
| 08:50.38 | Miravlix | Laws is a funny thing |
| 08:51.01 | Kirkburn | He's plastering the balcony above, and is about 2 feet from the edge |
| 08:51.07 | Miravlix | The other nordic countries has made specific laws saying chatting with minors for sex on the internet is illegal |
| 08:51.17 | Miravlix | Well, duh even without the law that was illegal |
| 08:51.33 | moonwolf | still good to actually point it out again. |
| 08:51.50 | Miravlix | Why? |
| 08:51.51 | moonwolf | maybe they can be arrested and convicted for it twice now |
| 08:52.06 | moonwolf | one to for chatting with minor about sex, and one for the internet part.! |
| 08:52.14 | moonwolf | double the jail time. |
| 08:52.22 | Miravlix | It was illegal before it's illegal now and it's illegal tormoow, the law made no difference |
| 08:53.03 | Miravlix | People that does that kind of crap isn't going to care about a law being more specific. |
| 08:53.37 | moonwolf | no but I am going to care more about them seeing them do more jail time! |
| 08:53.56 | Miravlix | Why would they do more jail time? |
| 08:54.15 | Miravlix | The foundation of the minor sex stuff hasn't changed, it's the same jail time |
| 08:54.28 | moonwolf | damnit |
| 08:54.38 | Miravlix | They just get charged with a different law than before. |
| 08:54.55 | moonwolf | charge them with both! |
| 08:55.06 | Miravlix | Thats an American thing, I'm afraid |
| 08:55.10 | Miravlix | They do stacking |
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| 08:55.32 | Miravlix | 39849348 Concectutive life sentences and that kind of stuff |
| 08:55.42 | moonwolf | good idea, in any case where minors are involved stacking is applied. |
| 08:55.59 | Corrodias | because children are precious and valuable |
| 08:56.19 | wereHamster | Is there a list of generally accepted "X-" toc-tags? |
| 08:56.27 | Corrodias | and innocent |
| 08:56.58 | moonwolf | children are not innocent! |
| 08:57.38 | Miravlix | The fact that it harms them for life is more than enough reason for the protection laws tries to give them. |
| 08:57.38 | Corrodias | see, americans don't want to hear that |
| 08:57.50 | Corrodias | they abhor the possiblity that children aren't like some kind of glass statue |
| 08:58.04 | Corrodias | they are incapable of anything and must be protected from everything |
| 08:59.06 | moonwolf | children are previous yes, and valuable yes very. but not innocent. |
| 08:59.16 | moonwolf | children are mini adults. |
| 08:59.31 | s|loup | mini adults? |
| 08:59.38 | moonwolf | yes |
| 08:59.40 | Corrodias | that is incorrect |
| 08:59.51 | moonwolf | howsow ? |
| 08:59.53 | Corrodias | children do not think like adults |
| 08:59.56 | Miravlix | There brain is developing, so in some ways they are very different from adults |
| 09:00.15 | s|loup | you mean a 6 year old children should have the same rights as a 23-year old ? |
| 09:00.18 | Corrodias | but i do not believe that they are unerringly good and must be protected from everything |
| 09:00.23 | Miravlix | You can't teach a kid faster and then it becomes an adult earlier |
| 09:00.31 | moonwolf | Children can backstab and doublecross as good as adults. |
| 09:00.39 | s|loup | lol |
| 09:00.39 | Miravlix | The brain needs to physically develope (and the body for the matter= |
| 09:00.53 | Corrodias | capacity for malicious intent is not the only aspect of adulthood |
| 09:01.00 | moonwolf | true |
| 09:01.09 | moonwolf | okay, children are not mini adults. |
| 09:01.10 | s|loup | most children must to have learn the difference between good and bad things so thats why they are children |
| 09:01.45 | Elkano | unfortunatly many don't learn that :/ |
| 09:01.57 | s|loup | but we all hope that they do ;) |
| 09:01.59 | Miravlix | Bit unfair to use many |
| 09:02.03 | Corrodias | heh... so we tell them what we think are supposed to be good and bad and demand that they agree with us |
| 09:02.12 | Miravlix | Most of the worlds population is nice civilized people |
| 09:03.12 | Elkano | well, Miravlix, it's because you'll remember more bad than good examples... |
| 09:03.20 | Miravlix | It's just sad that one rotten aple can spoil everything, like with Hitler, or Milochovich |
| 09:03.32 | s|loup | but you need only a few to create an uncivilized world |
| 09:03.42 | Corrodias | or moses |
| 09:03.47 | Corrodias | but that depends on your perspective |
| 09:03.50 | moonwolf | moses is myth. |
| 09:03.56 | Miravlix | People are too innocent and can be fooled by one crazy person in the wrong position at the wrong time |
| 09:04.23 | s|loup | why its always the wrong person and the wrong time |
| 09:04.24 | s|loup | ? |
| 09:04.47 | Miravlix | because most dysfunctional psychopats doesn't become world destroyers? |
| 09:05.09 | moonwolf | no dysfunctional psychopats I know of have destroyed the world. |
| 09:05.33 | moonwolf | most yust create some chaos for e generation or two. |
| 09:05.36 | s|loup | maybe the people are not steady enough to follow there own opinions |
| 09:05.45 | Corrodias | hitler led his country to destroy several worlds, though not "the" entire world |
| 09:06.05 | Miravlix | Well, for some people it was there entire world that got destroyed |
| 09:06.26 | moonwolf | ah, that kind of world |
| 09:06.45 | moonwolf | I tend to think of world as this big planet called earth. |
| 09:08.11 | Miravlix | Sadam Hussein, Hitler, Milochovic, Stalin, those people wasn't sane, they had serious trouble while growing up. |
| 09:08.37 | ckknight | so did Pablo Picasso. |
| 09:08.44 | ckknight | and many famous writers |
| 09:09.24 | Miravlix | You don't have to kill people because your insane, but it is only insane people that kills. |
| 09:10.08 | Corrodias | well... |
| 09:10.14 | ckknight | that's not necessarily true |
| 09:10.19 | Corrodias | you'll want to retract that last part |
| 09:10.23 | Miravlix | In the context of the type of killing these people did. |
| 09:10.32 | Corrodias | that works |
| 09:11.01 | ckknight | remember, Miravlix, history is always written by the victor |
| 09:11.22 | Miravlix | No |
| 09:11.24 | Elkano | see WWI |
| 09:11.27 | s|loup | you think to leading the world is insane? look at history there were a lot of people who were glorified while trying to leading the world |
| 09:11.35 | Miravlix | Some history is written by the victor |
| 09:11.52 | Miravlix | But History is also written by independents that live in the world the victor created |
| 09:12.18 | ckknight | independants? |
| 09:12.24 | ckknight | everyone has bias |
| 09:12.30 | moonwolf | ckknight has a point |
| 09:12.37 | moonwolf | in a war there is no neutrality. |
| 09:12.42 | Elkano | history is also written by those who lost if their writings are found first generations after they lived ;) |
| 09:12.45 | moonwolf | even if your country takes that position. |
| 09:12.59 | Elkano | yea, let's blame Swiss |
| 09:13.18 | Elkano | they're still hiding our gold :( ;) |
| 09:13.28 | moonwolf | and tye are damn good at it. |
| 09:13.31 | moonwolf | they* |
| 09:14.55 | Miravlix | They keep having problems with the soldiers they send out into the world from Denmark, they go crazy. |
| 09:15.36 | ckknight | Miravlix, the Swiss? |
| 09:15.59 | groll | AnduinLothar around? |
| 09:16.12 | Miravlix | No Danish soldiers go out and come back with mental issues |
| 09:16.22 | groll | anyone got issues with imp error frame? i cant copy the text |
| 09:16.41 | Miravlix | It's me that has written IEF lately |
| 09:17.00 | Miravlix | And no I have no sutch problem at the moment, I think I fixed them all. |
| 09:17.52 | groll | ok i cant copy anythign at all in it and i just got the latest update |
| 09:18.23 | Miravlix | Can't copy?? |
| 09:18.29 | Miravlix | Can you mark? |
| 09:18.51 | groll | nope |
| 09:19.00 | Miravlix | The window is a bit fluffy so marking the area can be difficult |
| 09:19.03 | groll | can only press the close button that's it |
| 09:19.10 | groll | and scroll |
| 09:19.22 | Miravlix | But if you click on some error text and drag it should mark |
| 09:19.31 | groll | it doesnt |
| 09:20.02 | Miravlix | We use a Blizzard dialog |
| 09:20.30 | groll | i'll test it again just to make sure |
| 09:20.36 | Miravlix | So I have no idea how it works, it's handled by the standard UI |
| 09:21.24 | Miravlix | And I can mark/copy fine, I've changed the data that get sent to the window, but not the window. |
| 09:21.39 | groll | hmm |
| 09:22.57 | groll | nope definately aint working |
| 09:23.16 | Miravlix | Best guess is that some other addon is conflicting |
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| 09:23.49 | groll | dunno what that could be cause it usually works and i havent installed anything.. i guess it could be damagemeters though in that case |
| 09:23.53 | Miravlix | KDF: debug callback (true) |
| 09:24.10 | Miravlix | Marked/Copied thats the new Debug print capture feature |
| 09:24.23 | Miravlix | Error: `)' expected near `=' |
| 09:24.23 | Miravlix | String: Sea.io.printf(SELECTED_CHAT_FRAME, x = y) |
| 09:24.23 | Miravlix | Count: 1 |
| 09:24.24 | Maldivia | grr... still in billing limbo... |
| 09:24.58 | groll | Miravlix is there any way to "make" an error? |
| 09:26.31 | Miravlix | yeah /print x = y |
| 09:26.51 | Miravlix | or /script if x = y |
| 09:27.10 | groll | k |
| 09:27.18 | ckknight | or error("zomg error") |
| 09:27.50 | groll | yep ok confirmed.. it was damagemeters that conflicted |
| 09:27.53 | groll | works now mira :D |
| 09:27.58 | Miravlix | Doing /script message("stuff") gets sent to IEF, since message is how they print errors |
| 09:28.40 | Miravlix | You using alpha DM or from the source? |
| 09:28.49 | groll | anyone know an addon that use /tt and then gives a message u have to have something targeted |
| 09:29.36 | Miravlix | TellTracker? |
| 09:29.44 | Miravlix | TackleTox? |
| 09:29.50 | groll | :p |
| 09:29.53 | groll | i use neither :D |
| 09:30.08 | Miravlix | TamageTeters? |
| 09:30.19 | groll | ur being funny now aint ya? ;PÅ |
| 09:30.22 | groll | -Å |
| 09:30.38 | Miravlix | Yeah, I ran out of TT addons |
| 09:30.59 | Maldivia | TellTarget ? |
| 09:32.13 | Kaso | any know of any addon that renames Mind flay to Melt Faces, without advertisiting that fact? |
| 09:32.32 | Miravlix | Someone go shop for me |
| 09:32.52 | Maldivia | someone post something for me on the US boards... :9 |
| 09:40.12 | Kaso | i thought you had a US account also? |
| 09:43.28 | Maldivia | I'm in billing limbo |
| 09:43.47 | Kaso | Where are you pysically located |
| 09:43.50 | Maldivia | denmark |
| 09:44.39 | Maldivia | or well, either I'm in billing limbo, or the forum login servere have been brought down early for todays maintenance |
| 09:44.40 | moonwolf | wouldnt a EU account be better then ? |
| 09:44.48 | Maldivia | I have an EU account |
| 09:44.52 | moonwolf | k |
| 09:45.01 | Maldivia | But I have a US aswell |
| 09:45.08 | moonwolf | ah |
| 09:48.25 | Kaso | i hate trying to edit someone else's addon, they never code the way i like |
| 09:49.38 | krka|work | after a while you learn to tolerate other peoples style |
| 09:49.51 | krka|work | i have even kinda learned to use their style in their code |
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| 09:53.30 | Maldivia | My code style depends on if I'm modifiying one of my old addons, or creating a new onw |
| 09:54.09 | Kirkburn | "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts" ... great song =) |
| 09:54.31 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: have you looked at some of the other new fonts? |
| 09:54.46 | Kirkburn | In Office? |
| 09:54.48 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 09:55.04 | Kirkburn | I've been using Segoe as my Windows font for a while :) |
| 09:55.18 | Kirkburn | This chat is in consolas |
| 09:55.23 | Maldivia | was trying out Consolas, to see if I liked it as a development font... but no, hate it |
| 09:55.34 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 09:56.29 | Maldivia | dunno, it's just... wrong |
| 09:57.28 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 09:57.45 | Maldivia | the letters seems very blocky.. |
| 09:58.41 | Kirkburn | You got Cleartype turned on? |
| 09:58.59 | Maldivia | yep |
| 09:59.36 | Kirkburn | Well, nvm ... the other fonts are nice :) |
| 09:59.47 | Maldivia | :) |
| 10:00.11 | Kirkburn | Segoe UI is such an improvement over the mish-mash of Arial Tahoma and Verdana XP uses |
| 10:02.13 | Kirkburn | And obviously I'm a fan of calibri :) |
| 10:03.02 | Maldivia | hehe, yeah |
| 10:03.17 | Kaso | is there any point in putting () around an if statement other than just ease of reading ? |
| 10:04.25 | Maldivia | if you want to group up the boolean expressions |
| 10:04.43 | Maldivia | other than that, not really - perhaps out of habbit from Java/C/etc |
| 10:05.20 | Kaso | hokay |
| 10:11.42 | Elkano | well... I'm off now.. failing cryptographie examn... l8ers :) |
| 10:14.53 | Kaso | bah screw it im too lazy to edit bonuscanner :< |
| 10:24.33 | Maldivia | heheh |
| 10:26.10 | Kaso | I wanted to get my Spelltips to show +dmg from buffs and from my shadowpriest talents, but im lazy. |
| 10:33.30 | Maldivia | remember, that +dmg from talents (except castable talents) are added directly to tooltip |
| 10:34.38 | Kaso | yeh, i was thinking of addon shadowform to it |
| 10:40.35 | ckknight | Kaso, I personally prefer it without parentheses |
| 10:41.05 | Kaso | me too, its just a lotta people use em, so i was wondering if there was some higher purpose i was missing |
| 10:43.10 | Maldivia | I perfer not to use them in lua |
| 10:43.33 | wereHamster | am I the only one who uses them ? :-P |
| 10:46.33 | Kaso | looks so |
| 10:47.18 | wereHamster | I like 'em ;) |
| 10:47.51 | Kaso | two extra keypresses to wear down my keyboard faster |
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| 11:01.33 | Maldivia | 4 extra key pressed... don't forget shift |
| 11:02.15 | Kaso | good point |
| 11:02.19 | Kaso | even more reason not to use them |
| 11:04.38 | moonwolf | I use them. |
| 11:04.55 | moonwolf | But I have a weird way of writing code anyway. |
| 11:18.23 | Wobin | I like them, cause it makes it easier to read for me |
| 11:24.01 | moonwolf | yep |
| 12:08.35 | wereHamster | WTF? I have +15 spell damage and +1% spell crit on my T2 warrior helm ? |
| 12:11.22 | wereHamster | I'm wondering what enchants the priest will have 8-) |
| 12:11.47 | s|loup | oO |
| 12:12.54 | s|loup | i hope for nature damage ;) |
| 12:13.11 | wereHamster | I'll see in five minutes.. |
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| 12:20.25 | wereHamster | bah.. DC |
| 12:20.54 | wereHamster | how do I get into naxx? I heard thre is a nPC I can talk to at light's hope chapel .. |
| 12:21.01 | Elkano | Tadaima! |
| 12:22.04 | Kaso | yeh thats exactly it werehamster, theres a guy, Jimmy McWeaksauce or something who'll portall you straight in if you talk to him |
| 12:24.33 | Maldivia | his brother is standing inside naxx, giving out macweaksauce potions :9 |
| 12:25.34 | Kaso | oh how i wish that npc was permanat |
| 12:29.46 | wereHamster | Transfer aborted: instance not found =-O |
| 12:30.44 | Kaso | Why cant theyre be a combat log message on buff-refreshes :< |
| 12:38.08 | wereHamster | does anyone know where the portal to naxx is? |
| 12:38.30 | wereHamster | should be somewhere in the west.. |
| 12:38.32 | s|loup | is there a way to resolve the link of an item which is hanging on the mouse pointer? |
| 12:39.15 | wereHamster | s|loup, put it into the trade window and use GetPlayerTradeItem() or something like that |
| 12:39.55 | s|loup | hm i thought there is a way to get it directly :/ |
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| 12:40.40 | wereHamster | not that I know of.. |
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| 12:41.36 | s|loup | hm can i read informations from the cursorobject? |
| 12:42.07 | s|loup | wow should save the information about the action or containeritem as i think about it |
| 12:42.21 | s|loup | when i use PickupContainerItem |
| 12:43.02 | s|loup | how does it know when put it on another slot what it was |
| 12:56.00 | s|loup | there must be a way |
| 12:56.53 | s|loup | as i know you can drag and drop spells from your spellbook to the macro frame and the macro frame creates automatically the API call to cast the spell |
| 12:57.36 | wereHamster | take a look at the macroframe code ;) |
| 12:57.46 | s|loup | damn im at work ^^ |
| 12:58.41 | Kaso | im confused by that question |
| 12:59.55 | Kaso | you want to know what item is currently on the cursor? |
| 13:00.38 | s|loup | yes |
| 13:00.46 | s|loup | item, spell, whatever |
| 13:01.05 | Kaso | guess you'd have to hook all the Pickup functions |
| 13:01.15 | s|loup | i dont like hooking ;) |
| 13:01.29 | Kaso | if it was just items you could check the bags to see which item is locked |
| 13:01.37 | s|loup | hm |
| 13:02.13 | s|loup | when you drag some this will be flagged seperately? |
| 13:02.34 | Maldivia | hmm... people who hook methods... are they hookers? |
| 13:02.46 | Maldivia | [/bad humour] |
| 13:03.14 | s|loup | i will think about is Maldivia ;) |
| 13:03.22 | s|loup | *it |
| 13:03.40 | s|loup | barra barra |
| 13:04.35 | Kaso | something like for b=0,4 do for s=1,18 do local _, _, locked= GetContainerItemInfo(b,s) if locked then DoStuff() break break end end end |
| 13:05.56 | s|loup | but locked can be also a inventory item because it cant be split? |
| 13:06.05 | grimman | Hrrmpf. I just got a phonecall concerning an addon. ;P |
| 13:06.10 | s|loup | locked |
| 13:06.11 | s|loup | true if locked; that is, a stack that cannot be split |
| 13:07.01 | s|loup | ah found the sentence |
| 13:07.02 | s|loup | The locked return value appears to be set to true only on an item that is picked up via PickupContainerItem. |
| 13:07.07 | Kaso | locked returns true if the item has been picked up |
| 13:07.12 | s|loup | thanks i will check this |
| 13:07.13 | wereHamster | grimman, do you publish your phone number |
| 13:07.15 | wereHamster | ? |
| 13:07.15 | Kaso | yeh |
| 13:07.29 | grimman | wereHamster: No. ;P |
| 13:07.32 | grimman | That'd be creepy. |
| 13:07.47 | wereHamster | how dod the person get your phonenumber? |
| 13:07.53 | wereHamster | s/dod/did/ |
| 13:07.56 | grimman | It's a friend of mine, hehe. |
| 13:10.15 | Corrodias | he only loves you for your massive addons, you know |
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| 13:10.32 | grimman | I know. =( |
| 13:10.44 | grimman | But it's the only love I get. *cry* |
| 13:11.08 | s|loup | as we all get ^^ |
| 13:11.53 | grimman | hehe |
| 13:14.47 | wereHamster | does anyone know a win32 bittorrent client that doesn't require installation? something like ctorrent, small, easy to setup, maybe even cmdline? |
| 13:15.09 | Wobin | uTorrent? |
| 13:15.43 | moonwolf | UTorrent. |
| 13:15.48 | moonwolf | its not cmdline |
| 13:15.51 | moonwolf | but its easy and no install |
| 13:16.00 | zenzio | lightweight, pretty |
| 13:16.16 | Tain | uTorrent is the way to go. |
| 13:16.38 | wereHamster | k.. thanks |
| 13:17.26 | wereHamster | looks nice.. |
| 13:17.45 | Wobin | lightestweight torrent proggie I've come across so far |
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| 13:18.07 | Tain | uTorrent is all I use on Windows now. |
| 13:19.30 | Thrae | I wish uTorrent had a Linux version. I'm stuck with Azureus. |
| 13:19.51 | wereHamster | yeah.. azureus is bloated.. |
| 13:20.08 | Kirkburn | I haven't found that a problem |
| 13:20.24 | wereHamster | Thrae, try this http://transmission.m0k.org/ .. |
| 13:20.39 | Tain | Azureus is still the most featured, it's just pretty resource intensive. |
| 13:20.40 | Kirkburn | Bloated in what way? Overload of extras? |
| 13:21.06 | Kirkburn | Ah, takes 100Mb for me, and about 20% cpu |
| 13:21.24 | Tain | I wouldn't exactly call it "bloated." That's a term that's obscenely overused. It's just heavy. |
| 13:21.31 | Wobin | it's... weighty =) |
| 13:21.34 | Wobin | It's just bigboned =P |
| 13:21.42 | Thrae | Kirkburn: And that's not "heavy", "bigboned"? |
| 13:22.00 | Kirkburn | I have no problem with it using 100Mb |
| 13:22.28 | Wobin | I would call it bloated, if it uses stuff that it doesn't need to |
| 13:22.29 | Kirkburn | 20% cpu doesn't seem ott when you're downloading 5 streams |
| 13:22.30 | wereHamster | whatever term you use.. it feels slow and heavy and takes long to start :) |
| 13:22.41 | Wobin | eg, uTorrent doesn't use 100M and 20% cpu |
| 13:22.55 | Wobin | So it's not bloated in comparison to Azureus |
| 13:23.08 | Kirkburn | But it loses out on features |
| 13:23.15 | Wobin | Nothing I'm missing out on |
| 13:23.31 | Wobin | It downloads torrents =) |
| 13:23.39 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 13:23.41 | Thrae | uTorrent has almost all the features of Azureus, besides very advanced tweaking. |
| 13:23.56 | Wobin | The only time I realise it's running is if it slows down my WoW due to a large download/upload stream |
| 13:23.59 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, it only took 5 seconds to start up for me - that's long? |
| 13:24.02 | Thrae | All the important ones, DHT, Peer-to-Peer tracking, etc. |
| 13:24.46 | Wobin | Azureus, I couldn't help but notice it was running =P |
| 13:24.47 | zenzio | Azureus never loaded that quickly for me; but I think that's more Java taking a while than the client itself |
| 13:25.44 | Thrae | Yeah, like I said, Java is predisposed to using up a lot of resources. But again to Java's defense, you can't blame only Java. The runtimes are coded very well, so it's a lot to do with the app's coding too. |
| 13:26.00 | Kirkburn | (btw, I'm not attempting to be a azureus fan-boy ... I've only ever used BT and Az, so I'm interested to see what else there is) |
| 13:26.01 | Maldivia | with the right java settings, it's fast, and you dont notice your running java and not native |
| 13:26.06 | Thrae | Just, unlike like C, it's very easy to eat up resources in Java without knowing you're doing it. |
| 13:26.40 | zenzio | I never noticed many settings for the Java runtime... did I miss something? |
| 13:26.42 | Maldivia | unlike like... ? |
| 13:27.12 | s|loup | does anyone know how can i check if bag 4 is available? |
| 13:27.21 | Thrae | zenzio: Look on the Azureus wiki, they're there. |
| 13:27.32 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: there are tons! |
| 13:28.16 | Thrae | Haha |
| 13:28.35 | zenzio | Thrae: I would, if I weren't perfectly happy with µTorrent =) |
| 13:28.40 | Thrae | I just did top and saw "watchdog/0" and thought to myself "How'd claidhaire infect my system? ...Oh wait, that's probably a different program." |
| 13:28.44 | Maldivia | if GetInventoryItemLink("player", 24) then ? |
| 13:28.48 | Maldivia | I think its 24 |
| 13:29.03 | s|loup | or will GetContainerNumSlots will return 0 if no bag is on the specified bagslot |
| 13:29.05 | zenzio | and I guess the Java thingie that shows up in the Windows control panel might not be the nerve-center for Java settings after all |
| 13:29.37 | Wobin | GetBagName will return nil if there's no bag |
| 13:29.43 | s|loup | ok |
| 13:30.13 | Maldivia | zenzio: well, it fits into the windows control panel, since you get more or less the same options, as the standard control panel programs gives over windows... |
| 13:32.11 | grimman | Which is very little when you get right down to it. |
| 13:39.49 | wereHamster | did nobody ever complained that the WoW patch deletes itself when it can't find WoW.exe ? Quite annoying when the patch is >100MB and you spend 6h downloading it.. |
| 13:40.04 | krka|work | learn2backup |
| 13:40.32 | Kalroth | wereHamster: D'oh! |
| 13:40.55 | wereHamster | you mean I should backup my whole computer because someone at blizzard may have decided to randomly delete files if teh patch fails ? |
| 13:41.36 | krka|work | yeah |
| 13:41.49 | krka|work | or don't give the wow patcher delete-access |
| 13:42.41 | wereHamster | btw... does WoW require administrator privileges to run like many other games? |
| 13:43.26 | krka|work | nope, i'm not running it as root |
| 13:44.21 | Tain | Just needs permissions to the Warcraft directory and subdirs. |
| 13:44.38 | wereHamster | me neither, but must people have Administrator privileges on their computer |
| 13:44.49 | wereHamster | s/must/most/ |
| 13:49.29 | Kirkburn | Enjoy! http://www.nearlygood.com/audio/bunchofcoconuts.html :D |
| 13:50.17 | Wobin | I've got a loverly bunch of cocounuts? |
| 13:50.35 | Kirkburn | =) |
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| 13:53.02 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 13:54.59 | Miravlix | Morning Cairenn, the coffee is freshly brewed and the donuts is from today. |
| 13:55.10 | Wobin | Woohoo! |
| 13:55.36 | Cairenn | ahhh, it's nice to be taken care of :) |
| 13:55.38 | Miravlix | What are you woohooing about, it isn't for you. |
| 13:55.42 | Wobin | =( |
| 13:55.50 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 13:55.52 | Wobin | It's hard to find good coffee here |
| 13:55.59 | Cairenn | morning all |
| 13:56.04 | Cairenn | how is everyone today? |
| 13:56.05 | Wobin | morning Cairenn |
| 13:56.29 | Kalroth | I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts! |
| 13:57.28 | Cairenn | zomg, I haven't heard that song in forever |
| 13:57.31 | Miravlix | Suffering from tech addiction and I think, my next fix wont come until the 17th |
| 13:57.46 | Wobin | http://www.nearlygood.com/audio/bunchofcoconuts.html |
| 13:58.24 | Miravlix | Wish I was a druid in real life, so I could hibernate until it arrives, though I seem to have managed to get WoW to run a bit better on the old iron. |
| 13:59.43 | Wobin | singing roll a bowl a ball a penny a pinch! |
| 14:00.03 | Tain | I uh... if I were a WoW Druid in real life I'd be doing something else besides sleeping. |
| 14:00.08 | krka|work | wish i was a mage in real life so i could summon food and teleport home after work |
| 14:00.35 | Kaso | i'd be pretty boring eating only bread though |
| 14:01.20 | Kaso | i'd either have to be rogue (invisivible tee hee hee) or priest for the whole ressurection thing |
| 14:01.30 | Wobin | Shaman |
| 14:01.33 | Wobin | That'd be cool |
| 14:01.38 | Wobin | Ghostwolf ftw |
| 14:01.45 | Cide | hm, question |
| 14:01.47 | Tain | I'd be far too annoyed at having to drop totems all over the place. |
| 14:01.50 | Wobin | answer! |
| 14:02.03 | krka|work | hunter with aspect of the cheetah for great marathon victories |
| 14:02.15 | Wobin | krka: til you got stunned =) |
| 14:02.44 | Kaso | is think you're overlooking some of the rogue possibilities here. |
| 14:02.47 | Tain | Yeah you didn't expect the guy running next to you to have Gouge. |
| 14:03.03 | Wobin | pickpocket =P |
| 14:03.04 | Cide | CT_RaidAssist uses a message queue to not disconnect the user.. at the same time, it clumps several messages together if length allows it... do you think it's worth the effort to clump several messages together? it's kind of annoying, but I'm guessing it helps a bit |
| 14:03.11 | Kirkburn | Cairenn: http://www.nearlygood.com/audio/bunchofcoconuts.html |
| 14:03.18 | Wobin | Kirkburn: Too slow =) |
| 14:03.22 | Kirkburn | Darn, he already linked it :( |
| 14:03.26 | Cairenn | hehhehe |
| 14:03.29 | Cide | or would it be better to let the game handle such things? |
| 14:03.32 | Kalroth | Cide: Really depends on WoWs own message queue system |
| 14:03.39 | Kirkburn | Well I linked it first anyway so ner :P |
| 14:03.44 | Wobin | You did! |
| 14:03.45 | Kalroth | Cide: I'm guessing it got some kind of throttle as well |
| 14:03.46 | Cide | yeah, I can't tell how the game does it |
| 14:04.23 | Kirkburn | oddly, it seems to be attributed to monty python everywhere |
| 14:04.23 | Cide | if the game sends a lot of extra data (channel, etc), I'm guessing there is a bit of data saved per message clumped together, but I have no clue if it's worth the effort |
| 14:04.34 | krka|work | the wow throttle might be bandwidth related or number of messages related |
| 14:04.52 | Kalroth | yup, I'm guessing it happens on the UDP level rather than higher up |
| 14:05.09 | krka|work | should save a bit atleast cide, should be worth it if you're willing to make the effort |
| 14:05.27 | Tain | Just remember, if something is really hard then it's not worth doing in the first place. |
| 14:05.35 | Kalroth | send messages formatted as XML, then you can always expand them! |
| 14:06.09 | krka|work | just send your own header with message length |
| 14:06.09 | Kalroth | Cide: but you're already doing it today, right? |
| 14:06.14 | Kalroth | Cide: merging messages, etc. |
| 14:06.27 | Cide | yes, but I'm recoding it, and I don't really like that code |
| 14:06.36 | Kalroth | ah ok |
| 14:06.56 | Kalroth | well I'd go with the single message per transmit, but leave room for multiple messages per transmit |
| 14:07.06 | Kalroth | that way you can fix it if it fucks up :) |
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| 14:14.10 | Miravlix | I wish Slouken would give us an idea for writing our communication addons |
| 14:14.25 | Miravlix | Or an API that self throttles if he can't give us any details |
| 14:14.58 | moonwolf | I wish they implamented a default second tooltip for every available tooltip that addons can information too. |
| 14:15.03 | Miravlix | Even if Cide write the perfect throttler, he still is in trouble with other addons chatting |
| 14:15.07 | moonwolf | without disturbing the original tooltip. |
| 14:15.25 | Cide | well, addons aren't supposed to "chat" :) |
| 14:15.33 | Cide | (normally, anyhow) |
| 14:15.52 | moonwolf | well |
| 14:15.55 | moonwolf | they do now. |
| 14:16.02 | moonwolf | blizzard better adapt. |
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| 14:17.15 | Miravlix | API call made by Blizzard that 'knows' how the throttler work and the ability to send hidden control messages on normal channels. |
| 14:17.27 | Miravlix | Then I think we would be 'happy' |
| 14:17.53 | Miravlix | Everything else we can handle ourself. |
| 14:20.22 | Miravlix | "One in six Brit workers drunk at work" |
| 14:20.35 | Miravlix | They watch the most porn and get the most drinks |
| 14:20.49 | Miravlix | I wonder if the two things is related. :) |
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| 14:25.42 | Cide | hmm, do we get an event when chat channels change? |
| 14:25.56 | Wobin | change? |
| 14:26.05 | Wobin | like on zoning? |
| 14:26.06 | Cide | for example, I want to store the result of GetChannelName("channelName") (ie, I want to store the channel id) |
| 14:26.16 | Cide | but I need to ensure that it is correct all the time |
| 14:26.25 | Cide | so I was wondering if there was an event that would be called if they ever change |
| 14:27.28 | Cide | I wonder if I could just check for JOIN/LEAVE |
| 14:27.33 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.33 | Wobin | Fired when you enter or leave a chat channel |
| 14:27.33 | Wobin | ? |
| 14:28.37 | Cide | that will hopefully work, thanks |
| 14:28.43 | Miravlix | Look at Sky. |
| 14:30.23 | Miravlix | Though if CMCN can do the job for you, Sky's code is prolly too complicated in this area. |
| 14:30.47 | Miravlix | Sea.util.unhook("JoinChannelByName", "SkyChannelManager.joinChannel", "replace"); |
| 14:32.48 | Cide | I'll use my own code :) |
| 14:33.43 | Cide | though doesn't hooking JoinChannelName seem unnecessary? |
| 14:34.16 | Miravlix | Not for Sky |
| 14:34.28 | Astryl | Hey Cairenn, you around? |
| 14:34.34 | Cairenn | yup, am here |
| 14:34.50 | Cairenn | and hey Astryl, been a while since you've been in channel :) |
| 14:36.49 | Miravlix | Astryl: Any chance of an option, so it does bear roar before it start pawing? |
| 14:38.47 | Astryl | Hehehe |
| 14:39.11 | Astryl | Yeah, been a while... Joined a raiding guild, been raiding lots... |
| 14:39.16 | Cairenn | cool |
| 14:39.27 | Astryl | Mira, what exactly do you mean? Demoralizing Roar before Maul? |
| 14:39.33 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 14:39.44 | Cairenn | as long as you've been having fun :) |
| 14:39.46 | Miravlix | It's hard to time it right to have 20 rage every 10 seocnds |
| 14:40.11 | Miravlix | If it just do the roar on 10 rage at a higher priority than maul |
| 14:40.17 | Miravlix | It would make things easier. |
| 14:40.21 | Astryl | Set the Demo Roar settings to require more than 9 rage. |
| 14:40.30 | Astryl | I'm pretty sure it is. |
| 14:40.50 | Astryl | And it lasts 40 sec, not 10. |
| 14:41.11 | Miravlix | If I have 10 rage and do the key it will paw not roar |
| 14:41.39 | Astryl | What if you turn off the rage requirement checkbox? |
| 14:42.00 | Miravlix | Loging in to check. |
| 14:42.18 | Astryl | Oh, and Cairenn... |
| 14:42.32 | Astryl | Someone posted some crap comment about my addon... Could you delete it please? |
| 14:43.12 | Miravlix | Uuh what the heck |
| 14:43.20 | Miravlix | I turned off the rage requirement on Roar |
| 14:43.27 | Miravlix | Now all sliders is set to 25000 |
| 14:43.43 | Cairenn | Astryl: linkage? |
| 14:44.02 | Astryl | Uhmmm... astryl.wowinterface.com, only 1 file. |
| 14:44.27 | Miravlix | Enrage Max Rage: 25000 |
| 14:44.33 | Astryl | Mira, that's prolly what it sets to when it's disabled. Give it a try? |
| 14:44.38 | Astryl | Oh, it sets them ALL to that? |
| 14:44.42 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 14:44.43 | Astryl | That's quite odd. |
| 14:44.57 | Astryl | See if the default config dialog has problems like that for you. |
| 14:44.59 | Astryl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.10 | Astryl | (This on 1.10 or 1.11?) |
| 14:45.32 | Cairenn | deleted yours as well, Astryl |
| 14:45.41 | Astryl | Wonderful, thanks Cairenn. |
| 14:45.45 | Cairenn | np hun |
| 14:46.09 | Miravlix | This is live with latest Cosmos |
| 14:46.31 | Astryl | Hmmm, I'll take a look. |
| 14:48.03 | Miravlix | I could use a min health box for enraging |
| 14:48.52 | Miravlix | I find it less than usefull to enrage as the mob dies. Since I will usually shift out and loss the rage after a fight. |
| 14:49.49 | Wobin | Astryl: Wow. FS is like SmartPet for Druids =) |
| 14:50.05 | Astryl | Not a bad suggestion... Can you post that as a comment on any of the major ui sites? I usually comb all the comments for feature suggestions. |
| 14:50.10 | Astryl | Heheheh, yeah, pretty much, Wobin. |
| 14:50.26 | Wobin | Astryl: We have a feature request thingie on WowI =) |
| 14:50.39 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?uid=20935&a=listfeatures |
| 14:50.40 | Astryl | Ah, yes, you can post it there too. |
| 14:51.44 | Astryl | Anywhere to have it recorded somewhere. Busy working at the moment, and I'm liable to forget if it's not noted down for me, heh |
| 14:52.00 | Astryl | So I'm working on a new version of FS for 1.11... |
| 14:52.22 | Astryl | (We have a guess for release date of 1.11?) |
| 14:52.24 | Wobin | *sigh* I miss cats =( |
| 14:52.30 | Cairenn | Astryl: nope |
| 14:52.56 | Astryl | And I should have several fun new features in FS... Immunity Detection, so it won't use skills on mobs that they're immune to over and over like it does now... |
| 14:53.29 | Miravlix | Make it a library! |
| 14:53.49 | Miravlix | The feature is needed for WarriorSkill RogueSkill and others. |
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| 14:54.15 | Miravlix | Offcourse at the current Cosmos workload I wont get around to writing thsoe for another 3 years |
| 14:54.38 | Cairenn | the link I gave is, obviously, a straight shoot to Astryl's feature request section |
| 14:54.46 | Astryl | And health-point-based stuff, using MobInfo2, so it'll always use a finisher if that finisher will kill the target (ie, always ferocious bite if the target has less health than the FB will do) |
| 14:55.33 | Miravlix | Using UnitArmor("target") to get damage reduction factor? |
| 14:55.34 | Astryl | Aye, I could certainly make the immunity detection be a library... |
| 14:55.55 | Astryl | Wait, you can use UnitArmor("target") to get the damage reduction of a hostile? |
| 14:56.15 | Astryl | I was just doing some logic about level difference combined with class and buffs. |
| 14:56.15 | Miravlix | Hmm, time to test |
| 14:56.36 | zenzio | I get 0 for everything except myself |
| 14:56.48 | zenzio | (probably not team/raid members, but I'm unteamed right now) |
| 14:57.11 | Astryl | Aye, I didn't think you could check that... |
| 14:57.39 | Astryl | I just check level, unit class, and sometimes buffs to tell if the unit is 'high armor' |
| 14:58.15 | Miravlix | I seem to get 00000 from everything but myself |
| 14:58.21 | Miravlix | No idea if they have armor though |
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| 15:00.30 | Astryl | I currently use... |
| 15:01.26 | Astryl | If a Paladin or Warrior or Bear greater than 5 levels lower than you, or any other class greater than 2 levels higher than you. |
| 15:01.33 | Astryl | ...Then it's considered 'high armor' |
| 15:02.00 | Miravlix | Seem to be a self only function or maybe a party only ffunction |
| 15:03.11 | Miravlix | You could perhaps use the first hit to calculate a damage reduction estimate? |
| 15:03.34 | Miravlix | Though the rule we made back then is cool too |
| 15:04.53 | Astryl | Aye, I'd rather not try to calculate a DR% for each mob... The result would only really be used for more precisely calibrating the 'use FB when it'll kill the target' thing, and that I think can be tuned enough without it. |
| 15:06.10 | Miravlix | 931,971,971,40,0 |
| 15:06.17 | Miravlix | UnitArmor returns strange values |
| 15:06.37 | Astryl | What are those? |
| 15:06.48 | Astryl | What targets I mean. |
| 15:07.01 | Miravlix | Me |
| 15:07.17 | Astryl | All you? It fluctuates? |
| 15:07.22 | Miravlix | Base Armor, BuffedArmor,BuffedArmor,Buff,? |
| 15:07.37 | Miravlix | 3591,3631,3631,40,0 |
| 15:07.37 | Astryl | ahhh. |
| 15:07.50 | Tain | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitArmor |
| 15:08.12 | Miravlix | You shouldn't always trust wowwiki |
| 15:08.19 | Tain | That doesn't mean you shouldn't look. |
| 15:08.22 | Miravlix | Sometimes you need to figure things out to verify it's right |
| 15:08.43 | Tain | And if you find it's wrong then fix it. |
| 15:09.20 | Miravlix | We are all grown people here and now about wowwiki |
| 15:09.29 | Miravlix | You don't have to tell us about it. |
| 15:10.14 | Cairenn | ... |
| 15:10.28 | Tain | Oh stop being so adversarial. There's nothing wrong with helping people. |
| 15:12.00 | Cairenn | ... |
| 15:12.04 | Astryl | ... |
| 15:12.08 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 15:12.17 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 15:12.42 | Astryl | :) |
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| 15:21.13 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 15:21.18 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 15:22.52 | Astryl | ... |
| 15:23.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:23.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:24.00 | krka|work | whaat? |
| 15:24.03 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 15:26.17 | Miravlix | Why does most AddOns with there own visible frames, choose a different format than Blizzards? |
| 15:26.53 | Shouryuu | What;s blizzard's format? |
| 15:28.03 | Miravlix | character view, honor tab, friends, guild, etc. |
| 15:28.17 | Miravlix | About the only exception is Action House |
| 15:31.41 | Kaso | anyone know why my Firefox decides to hang for about 20sec whenever i download something |
| 15:32.40 | Tain | Kaso: Do you regularly do a "Cleanup" on your downloads window? |
| 15:32.50 | Tain | If not that can slow you down. |
| 15:32.59 | Kaso | ooh, no good point i havent done that for months |
| 15:33.23 | Miravlix | Kaso: Might wanna turn on erase on close then |
| 15:34.02 | Kaso | Works fine, thanks for that |
| 15:34.28 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/3arms.jpg |
| 15:34.57 | Kaso | http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-05-30-baby-three-arms_x.htm?POE=TECISVA |
| 15:35.21 | Kaso | its sorta freaky how that doesnt attually look that odd |
| 15:35.23 | Shouryuu | thank you, I needed that... |
| 15:36.02 | Miravlix | Aah, EventProfiler use a standard window, time to leech some code |
| 15:38.38 | Kirkburn | Kaso, I thought 3 arms was normal ... |
| 15:38.52 | Miravlix | Or maybe it's time for me to actually learn WoW XML. *shudder* |
| 15:39.10 | Kaso | what are you missing an arm or something? you freak! |
| 15:39.21 | Miravlix | Well, it's like one night stands, if you don't get to know them first you wont respect them in the morning. |
| 15:40.51 | Kirkburn | I respect my one nightstand. I treat it well, with varnish. |
| 15:40.51 | Kaso | hahaha |
| 15:41.00 | Miravlix | I just but the alarm clock on mine |
| 15:41.02 | Tain | I use a $10 stool from Target as a nightstand, it works great. |
| 15:41.05 | Miravlix | s/but/put/ |
| 15:41.42 | Kirkburn | Ah, the humours 'stool' jokes coming to mind ... |
| 15:41.53 | Kirkburn | s/humours/humourous/ |
| 15:42.00 | Cairenn | oh lord ... that's my cue to leave ... |
| 15:42.06 | Miravlix | That would mean we had one. |
| 15:42.12 | Kirkburn | Need the loo, Cairenn? |
| 15:42.19 | Kirkburn | :9 |
| 15:42.28 | Cairenn | no, don't wish to be subjected to bad poop jokes :p |
| 15:42.47 | Kirkburn | Hey, hey, only the best from me |
| 15:43.34 | Cairenn | okay, allow me to rephrase ... " no, don't wish to be subjected to *any* poop jokes :p " |
| 15:43.45 | Miravlix | Hmm, learn Blizzard XMl or use CreateFrame |
| 15:47.50 | Cairenn | o.m.g. some of these are TOO funny! http://www.noisebot.com/t-shirts_hoodies_tote_bags |
| 15:55.04 | grimman | *sigh* Going to Southshore and I misclick the flightpath (by alot) and end up flying to Eastern Plaguelands. |
| 15:56.08 | Wobin | do the logout shortcircuit |
| 15:56.19 | Wobin | (if you're passing through SS) |
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| 15:57.59 | grimman | Hm? |
| 15:58.41 | Wobin | If you're on a multileg trip, if you log out midflight, your flight will stop at the next closest flightpoint on login |
| 15:59.24 | Kirkburn | I thought it was the last one you passed through |
| 15:59.48 | Wobin | Well, you're logging out midflight, so you'll log in midflight |
| 16:00.06 | Wobin | it just won't remember the flghtpoint you originally clicked and go for the one on landing |
| 16:00.08 | Kirkburn | ah, I see |
| 16:00.18 | wereHamster | Wobin, is that documented somewhere ? |
| 16:00.24 | Wobin | Not afaik =) |
| 16:00.26 | grimman | Kinda cool. |
| 16:00.40 | wereHamster | but a nice 'feature' nonetheless ;) |
| 16:00.44 | Wobin | indeed =) |
| 16:01.19 | Kirkburn | And logout is immediate when flying |
| 16:02.10 | Kirkburn | Oh course, if you left from IF, the fp is direct to EPl, so you'd be buggered |
| 16:02.46 | Miravlix | http://www.theregister.com/2006/05/30/brits_top_muck_league/ |
| 16:03.03 | Miravlix | "British men prefer porn to sex" |
| 16:04.00 | Wobin | I could say something about Essex girls, but I won't =) |
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| 16:04.47 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 16:05.01 | Kirkburn | In the UK, I live 2 mins from the essex border |
| 16:05.27 | Wobin | Then I don't have to say anything =) |
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| 16:15.38 | Miravlix | British women is resorting to porn due to British men prefairing it |
| 16:16.25 | Kaso | well direct them to my house. |
| 16:16.45 | Miravlix | "It used to be said that men neglected foreplay, but now they are neglecting sex." |
| 16:17.31 | Miravlix | That is lines like that, that restore my faith in humanity. |
| 16:18.19 | Tain | Yes! Down with breeding! |
| 16:18.32 | grimman | Miravlix: Rocks! |
| 16:18.41 | grimman | If more people stop caring about sex there's more for me. |
| 16:18.43 | grimman | Ie, it rocks. |
| 16:19.52 | Shouryuu | Tain lol |
| 16:22.13 | Tain | The world needs less offspring. |
| 16:22.57 | Tain | Otherwise kids grow up to make movies like X-Men 3 and make me angry. |
| 16:23.05 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 16:24.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@proxy-ce1.disney.com) |
| 16:29.22 | Astryl | Hey Ratbert_CP! |
| 16:29.37 | Astryl | Ratbert_CP! Yes, you! |
| 16:29.44 | Kalroth | uh oh |
| 16:29.47 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:29.51 | Shouryuu | this sounds like trouble! |
| 16:30.25 | Astryl | Dammit, has anyone ever heard him say *anything*? |
| 16:30.39 | Astryl | He shows up here like every day, and never speaks, never responds... |
| 16:31.05 | Shouryuu|Hiden | lol |
| 16:31.39 | zenzio | Apr 11 18:02:22 <Ratbert_CP> Mmmm.... Dirty flags... *drool* |
| 16:31.51 | Shouryuu|Hiden | haha |
| 16:32.06 | zenzio | four lines on 4th May |
| 16:32.11 | Wobin | He chats on wowace |
| 16:32.30 | zenzio | doesn't talk much, but it happens (in here) |
| 16:33.16 | Shouryuu|Hiden | how would you write this "He weights/weighs his words?" |
| 16:33.16 | Astryl | wowace, you say? |
| 16:33.23 | zenzio | weighs |
| 16:33.32 | Shouryuu|Hiden | thanks :P |
| 16:33.36 | Astryl | #wowace, also on irc.freenode.net? |
| 16:33.58 | Elkano | yes |
| 16:37.01 | Ratbert_CP | yo! |
| 16:37.08 | Ratbert_CP | Que paso? |
| 16:37.37 | Ratbert_CP | Lookit that? |
| 16:37.50 | Ratbert_CP | I *doulbed* my wowi-lounge chat history! |
| 16:38.06 | Ratbert_CP | Going further without the benefit of a decent spell-checker, too! |
| 16:38.07 | Cide | congratulations :) |
| 16:39.01 | Ratbert_CP | I really do need a keyboard with hardware spell checking for basic fat-fingering... |
| 16:39.20 | Ratbert_CP | Astryl: You rang? (Think Lurch) |
| 16:40.32 | Ratbert_CP | Dang it... You bitch about me lurking, then when I respond, you hide... I'm at work, you know... :) |
| 16:40.40 | Ratbert_CP | Well... "work" is a relative term... |
| 16:41.30 | zenzio | :-o |
| 16:41.32 | Astryl | Oh, hey! |
| 16:41.35 | Astryl | It's Ratbert! |
| 16:41.56 | Ratbert_CP | In the mephitic flesh... |
| 16:42.05 | Wobin | Identity Management Architecture? |
| 16:42.12 | Ratbert_CP | Yep... |
| 16:42.25 | grimman | He's a CIA profiler. ;P |
| 16:42.50 | Ratbert_CP | One of five guys (including our manager) who are architecting Disney's enterprise Identity Managemnt infrastructure... |
| 16:42.52 | Wobin | Astryl is three cubicles down from RAtbert |
| 16:43.17 | Ratbert_CP | Heh... Doubt it. |
| 16:43.23 | Astryl | 3 cubicals? Perhaps 3 hundred miles. |
| 16:43.41 | Ratbert_CP | Three cubicles in any direction is probably a finance lackey... |
| 16:43.42 | Astryl | So, I had a slightly different name last time I spoke to you, Ratty. |
| 16:44.27 | Ratbert_CP | This isn't some Dateline/Perverted Justice sting, is it? |
| 16:44.46 | Astryl | lol |
| 16:44.58 | Astryl | "Astro the Space Duck" |
| 16:45.23 | Ratbert_CP | Vaguely familiar (but then, I'm hard-pressed to remember what I ate for lunch last week) |
| 16:45.34 | Astryl | I was a FoP for quite a while. |
| 16:46.07 | Astryl | Also, Conner says hi, and that you need to go say hi to all your Plaidies. |
| 16:46.12 | Ratbert_CP | Ah! Ancient history! OK... Need hypno-therapy to dig that far back... :) |
| 16:46.18 | Astryl | Indeed. |
| 16:46.29 | Astryl | I wouldn't have thought it was you if not for the _CP on your name =) |
| 16:46.37 | Ratbert_CP | yeah, yeah... That balding, beer-swilling feak can bote my pasty buitt... ;) |
| 16:46.46 | Wobin | heh, and here I thought the _CP was a relic of the past =) |
| 16:46.50 | Ratbert_CP | Although he *did* introduce me to my wife... |
| 16:46.56 | Astryl | Conner works with me now. =) |
| 16:47.11 | Astryl | He does the DB dev, I do the app dev. =) |
| 16:47.12 | Ratbert_CP | It is... I never expected those wack-jobs to ever track me down... |
| 16:47.18 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 16:47.34 | Ratbert_CP | What happened to Marius? |
| 16:47.54 | Astryl | I think he's still around. |
| 16:48.10 | Astryl | I'd ask Conner, but he's out to lunch at the moment. |
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| 16:48.37 | Ratbert_CP | Isn't that a permanent condition? |
| 16:48.49 | Astryl | Heh, only 2-3 hours per day, it seems =) |
| 16:55.45 | Cide | hmm |
| 16:55.51 | Cide | for some reason, my addon's variables won't save on test |
| 16:56.39 | Cide | heh, interesting |
| 16:57.00 | Miravlix | Ours wont save on live, wanna trade? |
| 16:57.19 | Cide | it was pretty logical, after all |
| 16:57.33 | Astryl | holy shit. |
| 16:57.44 | Miravlix | SocialNotes saving crashes WoW on live |
| 16:57.50 | Astryl | Wanna see the product of some people wwwwaaaayyy more nerdy than us? |
| 16:58.00 | Miravlix | Thats prolly why its broken on test, Slouken fixed the problem. :) |
| 16:58.13 | Tain | I guess I missed the WoW Easter Egg decorating contest. |
| 16:58.27 | Astryl | http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html |
| 16:58.33 | Astryl | warning, sound! |
| 16:58.46 | Astryl | very, very, scarring sound. |
| 16:58.55 | Cide | http://lua.pastebin.com/747095 |
| 16:59.46 | Tain | That was funny, Astryl. I saw it last year I think when they first were announcing the technology. |
| 16:59.54 | Miravlix | Remember to turn up the sound. |
| 17:00.09 | Astryl | Oh Cide... Meant to ask ya. |
| 17:00.18 | Miravlix | WoW, big |
| 17:00.30 | Miravlix | Thats slower than downloading pron |
| 17:01.11 | Astryl | My guild uses CTRA, but I get nasty freezes when others join/leave/changegroup/zone... I assume that's just because they have older versions of CTRA, right? |
| 17:01.38 | Cide | does it happen immediately? |
| 17:01.44 | Cide | or after about 1 second |
| 17:01.48 | Astryl | I've got the latest, and so does half the guild, but the other half has older versions, from 1.53 to 1.535. |
| 17:01.59 | Astryl | Ah, I think it's immediate. |
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| 17:02.59 | Cide | I would suggest that everyone updates to 1.536, which fixed a pretty major bug that could cause lag |
| 17:03.01 | Cide | (/freeze) |
| 17:03.25 | Astryl | Aye, that's what I thought... I'll keep yelling at em all to upgrade. |
| 17:03.33 | Astryl | Thanks. |
| 17:03.46 | Astryl | (There anything I can do on my side to prevent it? Any features to turn off?) |
| 17:04.33 | Cide | see if leaving the channel fixes your freezes |
| 17:04.56 | Cide | if so, then your problem should be fixed if everyone grabs 1.536 |
| 17:05.04 | Astryl | OKie. |
| 17:05.09 | Astryl | Thanks. |
| 17:05.25 | Cide | np |
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| 17:11.46 | Astryl | An imposter! |
| 17:12.12 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cair] by ChanServ |
| 17:12.32 | zenzio | a talented one it seems |
| 17:13.09 | Astryl | Indeed. |
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| 17:15.14 | Cair | didn't have time to change my nick to afk at home, got a call from my mom, her dog managed to corner a ground hog and got bitten, mom needed me to drive her to take the dog to the vet, make sure she was okay |
| 17:15.25 | Abenadi[FoF] | I want to put a simple user interface on my first mod. anyone link me a good tutorial? |
| 17:16.55 | Astryl | Abenadi, I'd suggest looking up the Interface Designer on wowinterface.com |
| 17:17.07 | _aLF | hi, I have a "strange" question about valid item link: why I can send to Trade channel an item link that I never seen in my session ? (I'm not disconnect). |
| 17:17.13 | Astryl | It's a windows app to design a wow frame with a visual-studio-like interface. |
| 17:17.39 | Astryl | _aLF, SOMEBODY on the server has seen it since the last time the server restarted. |
| 17:17.48 | Astryl | That's enough to not disconnect you. |
| 17:18.17 | Cair | Abenadi[FoF]: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat49.html |
| 17:18.27 | zenzio | isn't it a matter of whether or not it has dropped, not been seen? |
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| 17:20.20 | Astryl | Pretty sure it's seen. |
| 17:21.08 | zenzio | I'm just curious since you say it's since the server last restarted... would that mean that every week after downtime you risk getting disconnected if you link a rare item? |
| 17:21.25 | zenzio | from something like LootLink |
| 17:21.43 | Cide | yes |
| 17:21.52 | _aLF | Astryl> I asked this question because of http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:API_GetItemInfo and ItemDB saying that it will probably disconnect me. |
| 17:21.55 | zenzio | interesting, I wasn't aware of that |
| 17:22.32 | Cide | _aLF: you can send any item even if YOU haven't seen it |
| 17:22.40 | Cide | as long as *somebody* has |
| 17:22.50 | _aLF | ok, even after a patch ? |
| 17:23.00 | Cide | if someone has logged on and looked at the item, yes |
| 17:23.16 | _aLF | ok, thank's a lot |
| 17:23.41 | Cide | you're welcome :) |
| 17:27.43 | grimman | I hate people. Was trying to sell something for 5s more than vendor price, to be nice. Turns out this person is in SW and I'm standing in IF. He decides it's my fault and he wants it 5s cheaper because he has to travel. |
| 17:28.48 | AnduinLothar | tell him your vendoring it |
| 17:29.53 | Kaso | seconding the vendor it idea |
| 17:29.56 | grimman | I did vendor it. |
| 17:30.02 | grimman | Then proceeded to put him on my ignore list. |
| 17:30.08 | Kaso | :> |
| 17:36.08 | wereHamster | can an addon make WoW.exe generate RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE events? |
| 17:37.50 | Shouryuu|Hiden | God I am so tired |
| 17:38.26 | AnduinLothar | if you use the group swappign commands, yes |
| 17:39.37 | wereHamster | he's not the leader nor promoted.. |
| 17:41.16 | Kaso | whats the situation? |
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| 17:42.50 | wereHamster | this code.. http://wow.pastebin.com/747178 .. makes someone join/leave the same channel over and over,, |
| 17:43.20 | wereHamster | and this code is executed after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE and RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 17:45.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_C1 (n=KCummins@adsl-71-147-10-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:45.15 | Miravlix | wereHamster: Is it executed after channel joins? |
| 17:45.23 | Miravlix | They happend very late |
| 17:49.23 | wereHamster | Miravlix, that doesn't matter.. one of the players constantly joins/leaves the same channel.. |
| 17:50.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 17:50.58 | Miravlix | Well, the function you quoted can't be run inside itself over and over |
| 17:51.14 | Miravlix | Since it both join and leave, the function is getting called from outside |
| 17:51.34 | Miravlix | So you aren't showing us the code thats broken. |
| 17:52.30 | wereHamster | http://wow.pastebin.com/747193 |
| 17:52.43 | wereHamster | does this clarify things up? |
| 17:56.57 | Shouryuu|Hiden | If I have a table like Table={ bob={1,2,3,}, John={1} }, table.getn(Table[bob]) should return three, or should I do table.getn(bob)? |
| 17:57.28 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.36 | Shouryuu|Hiden | Yeah |
| 17:58.11 | wereHamster | how so? that's not obvious fro the code you've showed uas.. |
| 17:58.38 | Shouryuu|Hiden | I don't trully understand how tables in tables work... |
| 17:59.40 | Abenadi[FoF] | I'm no expert but bob looks like a table to me |
| 17:59.57 | Shouryuu|Hiden | That's probably because your no expert :P |
| 18:00.04 | Abenadi[FoF] | made this one last week and it works fine: |
| 18:00.05 | Abenadi[FoF] | pcHeals = {G1={c=370,h=956,f=0.86,n="Greater Heal(Rank 1)",r=1,s="G.Heal"},G2={c=455,h=1219,f=0.86,n="Greater Heal(Rank 2)",r=2,s="G.Heal"},G3= |
| 18:00.08 | Shouryuu|Hiden | Makes sens to me as well, but I'm no expert |
| 18:00.33 | Shouryuu|Hiden | Yup that's how I want it looking :D |
| 18:00.42 | wereHamster | no, bob doesn't look like a table.. http://wow.pastebin.com/747211 |
| 18:01.23 | Shouryuu|Hiden | So I need to declare bob before slipping it in the table? |
| 18:01.45 | Abenadi[FoF] | in the code i posted above it works fine and i don't predefine the inner tables |
| 18:01.45 | wereHamster | you can use Table.bob or Table["bob"] |
| 18:02.22 | Abenadi[FoF] | but i don't use table.getn |
| 18:02.31 | Miravlix | there is a Table.bob there is no bob |
| 18:02.45 | Shouryuu|Hiden | ahhh |
| 18:03.04 | Shouryuu | that makes sens |
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| 18:03.21 | Miravlix | Table = {}; Table.bob = {1,2,3} Table.john={1} |
| 18:03.48 | Shouryuu | Table[1] is nil then? |
| 18:04.01 | wereHamster | yes |
| 18:04.02 | Abenadi[FoF] | i think so because its keyed not indexed? |
| 18:04.03 | Miravlix | Yes, there is no key 1 |
| 18:04.25 | Miravlix | there is a key bob and key john |
| 18:04.32 | Shouryuu | ahhh |
| 18:04.34 | wereHamster | Miravlix, did the second pastebin code clarify things up? |
| 18:04.42 | Shouryuu | Thanks :P |
| 18:05.14 | Kirkburn | Out of interest, was your name supposed to be Shouryuu|Hidden? |
| 18:06.13 | Miravlix | Well, it shows where the loop is, were, it's called from an OnUpdate after all |
| 18:06.52 | Miravlix | But no guess as to why the OnUpdate keeps trueing your check so it runs |
| 18:07.18 | wereHamster | the code shouldn't even leave the channel.. |
| 18:07.26 | Miravlix | if CommChannel.Delay < 0 then has to be true all the time. |
| 18:07.46 | wereHamster | and after the call to :Manage() the frame is hidded => no more OnUpdate calls |
| 18:08.13 | Kirkburn | Hrm, the internet has decided I'm now allowed to use it atm |
| 18:08.38 | Miravlix | Also why do you have if event == then else? |
| 18:08.47 | Miravlix | Are you registering any other events? |
| 18:08.58 | wereHamster | I simplified the code a bit.. the code.. |
| 18:09.04 | Kirkburn | "It appears you are trying to view BBC News. Would you like the quit now or wait 3 more hours?" |
| 18:09.20 | wereHamster | Miravlix, no, just the events you see.. |
| 18:09.25 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn No hiden is fine |
| 18:09.41 | Miravlix | events? I only see CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL |
| 18:09.42 | Kirkburn | What was it all abbaaht? |
| 18:09.53 | wereHamster | and those three from the delay table |
| 18:09.57 | Shouryuu | about hiding? |
| 18:09.58 | Miravlix | But something is calling the OnEvent( not "CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL") |
| 18:10.18 | Miravlix | Resulting in the OnUpdate getting re-enabled |
| 18:10.37 | wereHamster | http://wow.pastebin.com/747242 ? |
| 18:11.02 | Kirkburn | Aha, I gets you Shouryuu ... wasn't very effective, was it :P |
| 18:11.09 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/747241 - does anyone have a good solution to that? |
| 18:11.10 | wereHamster | even if it gets called with another event, the slave frame isn't activated if there is no channel delay specified for the event |
| 18:11.15 | Miravlix | Then those events fire after your code completes |
| 18:11.25 | Cide | right now, I'm creating a new table and storing all the values I still want in a new table, and then replace the old table with the new one |
| 18:12.32 | wereHamster | Miravlix, and even if :Mamage() would be called all the time.. it shouldn't join and leave the same channel over and over.. |
| 18:12.48 | Miravlix | Insert a print(event) in the OnEvent handler to see what gets called over and over to make it call it again |
| 18:13.54 | Kirov | Cide - create a sorted table, and either sort by > or do a "for getn(Table), 1, -1 do" |
| 18:14.15 | wereHamster | JoinChannelByName() on a already joined channel doesn't do anything.. |
| 18:14.28 | Cide | Kirov: still rather annoying, but that's a good option.. thanks |
| 18:14.39 | Miravlix | But you said he joined and left the channel over and over |
| 18:14.51 | Kirov | actually |
| 18:14.57 | Shouryuu | doesn't TargetNearestEnemy() requier a key press now? |
| 18:14.59 | wereHamster | yes, but my addon certainly doesn't leave the channel.. |
| 18:15.30 | Kirov | Cide - is the main table always going to be sorted, and created / altered with the t_ functions? |
| 18:16.46 | Miravlix | LeaveChannelByName(chatChannelName) |
| 18:16.46 | Miravlix | Line 51 and 54 |
| 18:16.47 | wereHamster | only if the channel names differ (not true) and if next(..) is nil (it's no nil because he joins the channel before which requires it to be non-nil) |
| 18:17.13 | Kirov | I think you can interate through a table in reverse even when using "in", though I don't know what the proper syntax would be. |
| 18:17.48 | Miravlix | or if next(Spec.Modules) == nil |
| 18:18.30 | Miravlix | Maybe Spec.Modules break somewhere? |
| 18:18.49 | Kirov | Cide - http://wow.pastebin.com/747269 |
| 18:19.23 | Miravlix | Hmm, no, you use the if in the join |
| 18:19.24 | Cide | Kirov: yeah, that's what I'm doing :) |
| 18:19.35 | Cide | which will have to do for now.. so thanks |
| 18:19.42 | Miravlix | So Spec.Modules has to be okay |
| 18:21.05 | wereHamster | Miravlix, the only possibility I see it that someone else leaves the channel.. |
| 18:22.11 | Miravlix | Hmm |
| 18:22.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-64-161-16-97.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 18:22.31 | Miravlix | GetChannelList() returns /1 General /2 Trade /3 YouGeneratedChannelName |
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| 18:22.53 | Miravlix | You then get channelList(listIndex + 1) (record 2) |
| 18:22.56 | Kirov | Does anyone know if GetSystemChannel still breaks? |
| 18:23.14 | AnduinLothar | wouldn't surprise me |
| 18:23.18 | wereHamster | Miravlix, that's what I'm doing ;) |
| 18:23.34 | Kirov | EnumerateServerChannels() |
| 18:25.33 | Miravlix | Oh yeah you forget to check that there is not 10 channels before you join |
| 18:26.01 | AnduinLothar | of course... you could just use SkyChannelManager.getServerChannelTable() |
| 18:26.12 | Miravlix | Your join might never happend |
| 18:26.17 | AnduinLothar | or Sky.isInChannel() |
| 18:26.25 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 18:26.29 | AnduinLothar | isChannelActive |
| 18:27.12 | wereHamster | Miravlix, join happens.. I see him joining the channel |
| 18:27.38 | wereHamster | and he sends messages to the channel.. but then randomly leaves.. |
| 18:29.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@204.90.50.252) |
| 18:31.26 | Miravlix | for index=2 savees your the trouble of the listIndex + 1 |
| 18:34.35 | Kaelten | can't you do variables in a linux bash script? |
| 18:35.32 | wereHamster | Kaelten: foo="bar", echo $foo ? |
| 18:36.36 | Kaelten | so I could do dir = "/bob/test/dir" and then svn co url $foo |
| 18:36.37 | Kaelten | ? |
| 18:36.58 | wereHamster | sure |
| 18:37.00 | Kirkburn | Heheh, this is very good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO9zwhersfk |
| 18:37.49 | wereHamster | dir="/bob/test/dir" -- without the space around '=' |
| 18:38.13 | Kaelten | does it support concatination (sp?) |
| 18:39.07 | wereHamster | dir="foo";a="bar";echo $dir$a |
| 18:42.30 | Kaelten | kk thanks |
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| 18:49.05 | Tem | can anyone get to userscripts.org right now? |
| 18:52.54 | wereHamster | nope.. |
| 19:02.01 | Kirkburn | Lol, I'm watching two cats having a face off |
| 19:02.21 | Kirkburn | They about an inch apart, staring at each other, but haven't moved for about 5 mins |
| 19:02.57 | Kirkburn | Ooh, one got bored and sat down, but the face off continues ... |
| 19:04.14 | Kirkburn | Okay, now they're just being plain weird ... stalking around silently |
| 19:05.14 | Kirkburn | Another cat came by, but was too scared to show it's face, so took the opportunity of a passing car to run away hidden behind it :P Aaah, cats, eh ... |
| 19:06.05 | Kirkburn | If Wobin were here, he'd care :( |
| 19:08.10 | Kirkburn | LOOK! Kittens!! >_> |
| 19:08.35 | Kirkburn | <_< |
| 19:08.43 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 19:09.07 | Kirkburn | ^_^ |
| 19:12.10 | Kirkburn | I do enjoy randomly coming across ClearFont in screenshots ... sort of world affirming :P |
| 19:12.52 | ckknight | v_v |
| 19:13.02 | Kirkburn | heh :9 |
| 19:22.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-81-205.onelinkpr.net) |
| 19:49.58 | JoshBorke | wahahahaha! hello! |
| 19:50.09 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): i <3 ClearFont :-P |
| 19:50.28 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 19:50.32 | JoshBorke | well, 50 minutes isn't too bad... |
| 19:52.45 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:54.36 | JoshBorke | i have this weird checkberboard box on my shoulder in the character select screen... |
| 19:55.39 | JoshBorke | could it be because i was in BWL dead when i logged out last night and the server has since reset? |
| 19:56.03 | Tain | You have the checkerboard box virus! |
| 19:56.21 | _B | lol, dying in BWL |
| 19:56.38 | JoshBorke | :-( _B |
| 19:56.54 | JoshBorke | our first clear to chromag |
| 19:57.11 | JoshBorke | not all of us are uber :-P |
| 19:57.27 | JoshBorke | though i am disappointed at my guild's lack of progress |
| 19:58.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cmunn (n=cmunn@c-68-63-221-162.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) |
| 19:58.15 | _B | I got kicked out of my ZG guild |
| 19:58.20 | _B | And that was the best guild I've been in |
| 19:58.46 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 19:59.04 | _B | So I stopped playing WoW |
| 19:59.20 | _B | And decided to pretend that I am leet on some coding channel :P |
| 19:59.20 | cmunn | People still do ZG with guilds? I thought that was Pugged now... |
| 19:59.36 | JoshBorke | ony is pugged on my server |
| 19:59.38 | _B | Yeah, well, when you're not soloing it if course |
| 20:00.41 | AnduinLothar | we walk through zg in my guild, we do guild pugs |
| 20:01.01 | AnduinLothar | free epics |
| 20:01.15 | JoshBorke | my guild finally cleared ZG for the first time this week |
| 20:01.21 | AnduinLothar | got my peacekeepers finally :) |
| 20:01.27 | JoshBorke | I HATE YOU ANDUIN! |
| 20:01.35 | JoshBorke | that's 1 of 2 pieces I want out of ZG :-( |
| 20:01.52 | AnduinLothar | now i need the pants and boots |
| 20:02.10 | AnduinLothar | the gloves are damn sexy |
| 20:02.12 | JoshBorke | actually, congrats :-) |
| 20:02.14 | JoshBorke | yea they are |
| 20:02.18 | JoshBorke | DAMN sexy |
| 20:03.35 | AnduinLothar | got my ZHC and bloodcaller from hakkar too |
| 20:03.37 | JoshBorke | anyway, i was going to say something smart and witty |
| 20:03.48 | JoshBorke | i'm not too impressed with ZHC |
| 20:04.07 | AnduinLothar | now i just need the eye |
| 20:04.29 | AnduinLothar | ZHC is sexy, I get fatty flash heal crits :) |
| 20:04.31 | JoshBorke | i won't lie, bloodcaller is nice |
| 20:04.57 | AnduinLothar | and in raids you can use it once or twice per encounter |
| 20:04.59 | JoshBorke | but i like jin'do's mace |
| 20:05.05 | JoshBorke | what's the cooldown on ZHC? |
| 20:05.10 | AnduinLothar | 2min |
| 20:05.17 | JoshBorke | oh wow, that actually is kinda nice |
| 20:05.23 | AnduinLothar | jin'do's a pain in the ass |
| 20:05.29 | AnduinLothar | harder than hakkar |
| 20:05.29 | JoshBorke | it's like double blessing of light |
| 20:05.38 | JoshBorke | yea, i've only been to 2 attempts on him :-( |
| 20:05.53 | JoshBorke | but you have to admit that mace is nice? |
| 20:06.01 | AnduinLothar | we've killed him, but usually we just avoid him on our zg runs and kill everything else |
| 20:06.33 | AnduinLothar | jin'do's hexar? |
| 20:07.11 | AnduinLothar | definitely if you're holy spec'd with crit gear |
| 20:07.12 | End | I finally got jin'do's evil eye last night :) |
| 20:07.29 | AnduinLothar | ya, i would definitely take the eye |
| 20:07.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161) |
| 20:07.48 | JoshBorke | yea, i'm holy specced, but not much crit gear yet |
| 20:07.59 | JoshBorke | i'm too addicted to +heal |
| 20:08.11 | AnduinLothar | but bloodcaller has more stats and I'm not crit geared, i mostly have +mp5 and + healing |
| 20:08.36 | AnduinLothar | plus I like using bloodcaller for damage when i occationally tank |
| 20:08.55 | JoshBorke | yea, bloodcaller would be much more versatile, i agree :-) |
| 20:09.11 | AnduinLothar | and i already have a +55 healing on it |
| 20:09.16 | JoshBorke | sadly i have 0 enchants on any of my gear :-( |
| 20:09.40 | End | (incidently, last night, we took more tries to down hakkar than we took to down jin'do) |
| 20:09.47 | AnduinLothar | the firckin +healing on my peacekeepers is gonna take me forever |
| 20:09.58 | Tain | I laughed at myself with my last 60 when I realized I had completely forgotten about enchanting a few pieces of gear that I just assumed I already had. |
| 20:10.01 | End | (weirdly, tanks kept getting disconnected) |
| 20:10.16 | zenzio | it's Jin'do's new attack, Sunder Connection |
| 20:10.17 | AnduinLothar | 3nexus 1orb, 10brilliants |
| 20:10.30 | End | no, the tank didn't dc on jin'do |
| 20:10.38 | End | I should know, I was tanking ;p |
| 20:10.49 | AnduinLothar | ya hakkar disc our mt when he got MC'd the first time |
| 20:11.03 | End | but hakkar, our tanks kept getting dc'd |
| 20:11.16 | zenzio | I mis-read then =) |
| 20:11.20 | AnduinLothar | it was odd cause he popped up on the floor below when he got mc'd then instantly disc |
| 20:11.26 | End | when we did finally down him, we still had a tank dc mid-way through |
| 20:11.37 | End | yeah, we've had that too |
| 20:11.51 | zenzio | somehow this reminded me a bit about the "don't shadowbreed at Beast!" thing in AO |
| 20:12.41 | AnduinLothar | what i really need now is some replacement healing bracers. |
| 20:12.52 | JoshBorke | kirtonos drops some decent healing mail |
| 20:14.48 | AnduinLothar | nah, mine are nice healing mail blues atm |
| 20:14.56 | AnduinLothar | need some purple plates |
| 20:15.08 | AnduinLothar | but there aren't many |
| 20:15.25 | JoshBorke | oh, i have a question! how do i sort a table like, i'm dumb |
| 20:15.27 | AnduinLothar | actually i think the zg bracers got a lil +healing for 1.11 |
| 20:15.33 | AnduinLothar | table.sort |
| 20:15.40 | JoshBorke | which bracers you using? |
| 20:15.48 | AnduinLothar | mmm i forget |
| 20:15.56 | AnduinLothar | some mail with int and 33 healing |
| 20:16.03 | AnduinLothar | and i enchanted for mp5 |
| 20:16.05 | JoshBorke | i'm iterating through a table using for k,v in tbl do and it's jumbling everything |
| 20:16.10 | JoshBorke | ah, those are probably off of kirtonos :D |
| 20:16.29 | AnduinLothar | had um for a while, dont remember |
| 20:16.34 | MentalPower | for k, v in pairs(table) do ... end |
| 20:16.46 | AnduinLothar | same thing mp |
| 20:16.50 | JoshBorke | Loomguard Armbraces |
| 20:16.52 | AnduinLothar | that doesn't help the sorting |
| 20:16.54 | MentalPower | the former is deprecated :) |
| 20:17.00 | AnduinLothar | so.. |
| 20:17.01 | JoshBorke | ko :-) |
| 20:17.18 | JoshBorke | i'll switch to pairs, didn't really know they were different (deprecated etc) |
| 20:17.45 | AnduinLothar | they aren't different by much and in testing the depricated way is actually faster |
| 20:17.47 | JoshBorke | i might be getting a corehound belt from my guild |
| 20:18.07 | AnduinLothar | aye, loomgaurd is what i have |
| 20:18.21 | MentalPower | anyways, whatcha mean "jumbling"? |
| 20:18.40 | JoshBorke | well, i want the results to be in a specific order, but it seems they are coming out randomly |
| 20:18.51 | krka | hashtables are random by design |
| 20:18.57 | krka | if you need a specific order, use integer keys |
| 20:19.09 | MentalPower | what krka said :) |
| 20:19.22 | JoshBorke | hrm |
| 20:19.23 | JoshBorke | ok |
| 20:19.44 | JoshBorke | can someone pastebin what an integer key'd table looks like in a file? |
| 20:20.43 | krka | table = {} table[1] = something; table[2] = somethingelse; |
| 20:20.46 | krka | that's integer keys |
| 20:20.52 | JoshBorke | hm, ok |
| 20:20.56 | JoshBorke | thanks krka :-) |
| 20:20.59 | JoshBorke | <-- noob :-) |
| 20:21.27 | krka | strings, functions and tables are all indexed by their reference address |
| 20:22.02 | AnduinLothar | ya, all the plate bracers such for healing.. |
| 20:22.12 | AnduinLothar | cuck* |
| 20:22.15 | AnduinLothar | suck* |
| 20:22.17 | AnduinLothar | oi |
| 20:22.33 | krka | wrong order of words there |
| 20:22.35 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:26.39 | JoshBorke | so i can't do this? http://wow.pastebin.com/747664 |
| 20:29.44 | JoshBorke | +449 heal, i'm so close |
| 20:29.57 | Cide | to what? |
| 20:29.59 | Cide | 500? :) |
| 20:30.03 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 20:30.03 | AnduinLothar | any mp5 tho? |
| 20:30.10 | Cide | what's your gear? |
| 20:30.12 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/747679 |
| 20:30.17 | krka | that's what you want |
| 20:30.21 | JoshBorke | only +5 mana regen :-P |
| 20:30.23 | krka | one of those two, they are equivalent |
| 20:30.43 | JoshBorke | oh, awesome krka! thanks! |
| 20:30.53 | krka | np |
| 20:31.07 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.17 | Depherios | I'm up to +474 on my priest, but I never use that gear... usually ditching a ton of it for +heals |
| 20:31.20 | Depherios | err +mp/5 |
| 20:31.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MoonWolf (n=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 20:31.29 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): mostly LB breastplate/boots/legs, belt of the ordained, harmonies gaunts, loomguard armbracers or whatever, hotw, wildgrowth spaulders, judgement crown |
| 20:31.56 | JoshBorke | and then the +37 mace from killing ZG/AQ bosses, and blue rings/class trinket |
| 20:31.59 | Cide | I'm um |
| 20:32.13 | AnduinLothar | cide's a priest :P |
| 20:32.24 | Cide | 875 healing, 81 spell dmg, 29 mp5 |
| 20:32.25 | JoshBorke | sad thing is: i am in the top 5 for +heal |
| 20:32.27 | Cide | and yes :) |
| 20:32.34 | JoshBorke | priests cheat :-P paladin ftw |
| 20:32.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 20:32.45 | Depherios | I play horde... I kill pallies :D |
| 20:32.52 | AnduinLothar | I topped healing last zg run, before i got peacekeepers |
| 20:32.55 | Cide | I had 900 on the dot, but then I got boots of transcendence, which lowered my +healing :( |
| 20:33.32 | AnduinLothar | sad thing is my competition, the priest who always beats me, left the guild |
| 20:33.55 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): i was top in MC up until geddon |
| 20:34.18 | AnduinLothar | I tend to stay in the top 3 |
| 20:34.31 | AnduinLothar | unless we have a ton of healers and i go dps |
| 20:34.36 | JoshBorke | sadly, i still get yelled at for 'bidding' on leather/cloth |
| 20:34.50 | AnduinLothar | i never bid on colth and leather |
| 20:34.50 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): do yo uhave your gear posted anywhere? |
| 20:35.00 | Depherios | I was top before autocancel went away, now I've had to drop ranks a ton because I have the reaction time of a drunken sloth |
| 20:35.15 | AnduinLothar | nah, I have liek 5 sets and i can't find anywhere that will show more than 1 |
| 20:35.21 | Depherios | ctprofiles |
| 20:35.26 | Depherios | but half of those are fake |
| 20:35.52 | Cide | I doubt half of them are :) |
| 20:36.09 | Cide | but yes, ctprofiles can show an unlimited amount of sets |
| 20:36.11 | Depherios | XD -- tell that to the people on my server |
| 20:36.22 | AnduinLothar | mmk, maybe i'll check it out |
| 20:36.39 | JoshBorke | hm, what'd be nice is a profiler mod that let you make the sets in game |
| 20:36.47 | Depherios | and I don't mean half the people have fake sets, I mean half the sets up ARE fake... wishlists and "see you can do this" type stuff |
| 20:36.48 | Cide | working on it :) |
| 20:36.52 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): woot |
| 20:37.04 | Cide | Depherios: oh, well, that's intended |
| 20:37.05 | Depherios | just make it use outfitter's data ^_^ |
| 20:37.10 | JoshBorke | yea, like a +1k paladin in all plate? |
| 20:37.10 | Cide | as long as the "Main" set isn't fake |
| 20:37.14 | Cide | Depherios: nah |
| 20:39.50 | Depherios | I always like to get on WoWguru and see what crazy gear it shows me wearing... as it's usually a tux, or a spaceman outfit, or pimp suit or something lol |
| 20:40.09 | AnduinLothar | oh, right it's tuesday, wonder if I skipped that rank like i was trying |
| 20:40.12 | Depherios | all my characters that are a high enough level to bother... have stuff to wear standing around |
| 20:40.43 | Depherios | 93.33% into Blood Guard T_T |
| 20:40.48 | AnduinLothar | can i sellect my gear on ctprofiles w/o installign a mod? |
| 20:40.53 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 20:40.54 | Depherios | yup |
| 20:40.57 | AnduinLothar | good |
| 20:41.01 | AnduinLothar | faster |
| 20:41.32 | JoshBorke | haha, for i in table.get(tbl) do doesn't work so well |
| 20:44.01 | AnduinLothar | Cide, when i hit enter and it reset cause i didn't have a guild password it reset my server to Agamaggen but remembered all the other values |
| 20:44.28 | AnduinLothar | also it'd be nice if it told you where your guild was registered or not |
| 20:44.41 | Cide | "your guild"? |
| 20:44.54 | Cide | I'll look into the guild stuff, I heard reports of it some while ago |
| 20:44.56 | Cide | thanks |
| 20:45.00 | AnduinLothar | the guild you sellect fromt he dropdown |
| 20:45.20 | AnduinLothar | if it's update with like "This guild is not registered yet' |
| 20:45.29 | AnduinLothar | oi, can't type today |
| 20:45.42 | Cide | well, it only shows guilds that are registered on your server |
| 20:45.49 | AnduinLothar | ah ok |
| 20:45.55 | Cide | so if it's not there, then it's not registered :) |
| 20:49.05 | AnduinLothar | btw the conviction for pally retribution tree has the wrong icon |
| 20:49.12 | AnduinLothar | it's red bg not blue |
| 20:51.43 | Cide | hmm, that's weird |
| 20:52.18 | AnduinLothar | think they changed it when the redid tallents |
| 20:52.40 | Cide | was it because it was greyed out? |
| 20:52.48 | Cide | oh |
| 20:52.52 | Cide | I thought you said your icon changed when *you* redid the talents.. I see, thanks :) |
| 20:56.01 | AnduinLothar | i like the item sellection, it's smooth |
| 20:56.18 | Cide | glad you like it :) |
| 20:56.54 | AnduinLothar | it's been spot on when searching so far |
| 21:01.11 | AnduinLothar | tho you could probably eliminate the horde pvp gear from the dropdown of an alliance char |
| 21:01.55 | Cide | well, they are not race limited in-game |
| 21:02.11 | Cide | and we don't really want to go in and modify the item data unless necessary |
| 21:02.24 | AnduinLothar | cept you can't get them :P |
| 21:02.26 | Cide | we'd like to do it, but haven't come up with a good way |
| 21:02.33 | Cide | yeah, but the itemcache.wdb file doesn't know that :P |
| 21:02.44 | AnduinLothar | same with things liek the pally/shaman drops |
| 21:02.51 | Cide | yep |
| 21:02.59 | AnduinLothar | like peacekeeper wont drop for horde |
| 21:03.33 | AnduinLothar | got my pvp gear up: http://www.ctprofiles.net/1303840 |
| 21:03.49 | AnduinLothar | far from my prefered gear |
| 21:03.58 | AnduinLothar | but it's ok |
| 21:05.25 | JoshBorke | that's nice PVP gear |
| 21:05.59 | Depherios | I need to learn more about pallies besides how to kill them |
| 21:06.10 | Depherios | lol |
| 21:06.10 | JoshBorke | burn their mana |
| 21:06.14 | Depherios | oh |
| 21:06.16 | Depherios | I know how to kill them XD |
| 21:06.26 | JoshBorke | i hate mana burn |
| 21:06.32 | Depherios | well, it's tougher as a disc/holy |
| 21:06.41 | Depherios | the shaman has no trouble |
| 21:07.00 | JoshBorke | meh, i may not be able to kill a shaman, but i can outlast him |
| 21:07.12 | Depherios | heh my shaman is pure PvP |
| 21:07.30 | Depherios | I think he leveled like... 3-4 levels in teh 40s JUST on tokens |
| 21:08.12 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 21:08.22 | Depherios | I need to get him out of some of his cloth though :P (Lightning Mage FTW, but I'm sick of getting comments on the cloth) |
| 21:10.00 | Depherios | I'll miss Crimson Felt Hat though :P |
| 21:10.06 | JoshBorke | oh speaking of lightning, i saw a video of a 25k crit chain lightning |
| 21:10.22 | JoshBorke | it was staged all three times, but still |
| 21:10.34 | Depherios | lol |
| 21:11.22 | AnduinLothar | so, i editted my healing gear after adding it, but it's not showing up on my page |
| 21:11.25 | Depherios | had fun in WSG a couple nights ago... helped try to get a mage the highest crit possible... PI-ing him with all his buffs/ZHC and the zerker buff lol |
| 21:13.43 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:14.11 | JoshBorke | ( krka ): wowo, thanks so much for your help! |
| 21:14.30 | krka | :) |
| 21:14.55 | AnduinLothar | oh, not public by default |
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| 21:16.24 | JoshBorke | i should go get a better shield |
| 21:16.28 | JoshBorke | i'm using sacred protector :-( |
| 21:16.45 | Depherios | I'm never going to be able to find Troll Protector for my Shaman D: -- and I only want it because it's so cute :P |
| 21:18.46 | AnduinLothar | my healing gear is up |
| 21:19.12 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): already snuck a look :-) |
| 21:20.12 | AnduinLothar | my crit gear is up too |
| 21:21.08 | Qzot | AnduinLothar: Healing gear for what class? |
| 21:21.14 | AnduinLothar | pally |
| 21:26.32 | AnduinLothar | tank gear's up |
| 21:28.56 | AnduinLothar | also have Magma Tempered boots and Elder Magus pendant for fr healing.. |
| 21:29.21 | AnduinLothar | and a zulian axe with +22 int i dont use much any more |
| 21:29.31 | Astryl | That reminds me... Last Sat was the 2nd time I had ever seen Ragnaros... |
| 21:29.35 | Astryl | ...And I was tanking! |
| 21:29.39 | AnduinLothar | and a Halberd of SMiting I use for occational pvp |
| 21:29.55 | Astryl | ...And I'm a druid! |
| 21:30.04 | AnduinLothar | and some nr and fr gear.. |
| 21:30.16 | AnduinLothar | and a piece or two for shadow or frost |
| 21:30.51 | JoshBorke | ( Astryl ): lol |
| 21:31.48 | Tain | Ug spent half the day cleaning up my Windows Explorer context-menus. So much nonsense gets installed. |
| 21:44.00 | Shouryuu | night folks |
| 21:52.13 | AnduinLothar | hmm, 11443 tank points.... I have no idea what that means |
| 21:53.36 | AnduinLothar | our mt has 20323... |
| 21:57.39 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:58.15 | Astryl | Ouch. |
| 21:58.30 | Astryl | 20k... self buffed only? |
| 21:58.39 | AnduinLothar | unbuffed |
| 21:58.45 | AnduinLothar | not hp |
| 21:58.54 | AnduinLothar | tank points, whatever that means |
| 21:59.03 | Astryl | Aye, I'm familiar with tankpoints... |
| 21:59.22 | Astryl | I suppose that's not bad unbuffed. |
| 21:59.26 | AnduinLothar | well, that's what his ct profile said and that gear looked familiar |
| 21:59.48 | Astryl | I have about that much (little more I think) unbuffed. |
| 22:00.05 | AnduinLothar | tho we have a bunch of tanks |
| 22:00.39 | AnduinLothar | a lot of our officers have at least 1 other 60 alt |
| 22:00.59 | AnduinLothar | so it switches aroudn a lot |
| 22:01.07 | AnduinLothar | and we haven't been through bwl |
| 22:01.17 | AnduinLothar | just razorgore down |
| 22:01.23 | Astryl | Sounds about like our guild... |
| 22:01.55 | Depherios | yup |
| 22:01.58 | Depherios | oop MT |
| 22:01.59 | Astryl | 2 Main tanks, me as a 3rd, and a smattering of other warriors that tank when needed. |
| 22:02.23 | Astryl | And we just killed Rag for the first time this weekend, will start trying BWL next weekend. |
| 22:02.43 | AnduinLothar | aye, we have rag on farm status |
| 22:03.32 | JoshBorke | oooo, druid MT? |
| 22:03.37 | Astryl | Yep. |
| 22:03.43 | JoshBorke | awesome! |
| 22:03.45 | AnduinLothar | we have a druid that can tank ony |
| 22:03.59 | JoshBorke | my guild is close minded and won't let us have fun like that |
| 22:04.21 | Astryl | I have ... I think it's 252 FR unbuffed. |
| 22:04.22 | AnduinLothar | we have a pally who tanks in mc occatioanlly |
| 22:04.38 | Astryl | With the Pally FR aura, that puts me at 312FR. |
| 22:04.56 | Astryl | And 315 is the cap, so I'm practically capped. |
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| 22:07.13 | Astryl | I still don't tank as much as I'd like to, as we've got 2 warriors that are honestly just better geared than me, but I'm almost always the 3rd choice for any tanking job, so become MT/OT if either of them aren't there. |
| 22:07.31 | Astryl | A few bosses I'm the prefered tank, like Mar'li, since I can shift out of her webbing. |
| 22:08.03 | Astryl | They haven't let me tank Ony yet, but I'm kinda hoping for that this friday. |
| 22:08.34 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 22:08.58 | Cairenn | Purr |
| 22:09.29 | Astryl | I'm actually hoping to become our prefered tank for Ony, as we generally have aggro issues with Ony, and I can generate a hell of alot more threat than our warrior tanks. |
| 22:10.23 | Astryl | Hi Qzot. |
| 22:10.48 | Qzot | Astryl: You a durid? How do you generate threat? |
| 22:10.55 | Astryl | Indeed, a druid. |
| 22:11.04 | Astryl | Threat is my forte. |
| 22:11.19 | Qzot | My current main is a durid. Teach. |
| 22:11.28 | Astryl | 60? |
| 22:11.32 | Qzot | 57 |
| 22:11.36 | Astryl | Close enough. |
| 22:11.47 | Qzot | Resto-specced. Might change after the patch. |
| 22:12.01 | Qzot | But will hold off to try the top-tier heal talent before respeccing. |
| 22:12.08 | Astryl | Warrior threat is based on skills with static threat values. |
| 22:12.16 | Astryl | ie, Sunder Armor gives 215 threat. |
| 22:12.49 | Astryl | Each warrior ability has an innate hidden threat value, that they generate when used. |
| 22:13.13 | Astryl | They also get a bit of threat from the damage they do, 1 threat per dmg. |
| 22:13.13 | Qzot | Yeah, that fits the mental model I've been using. |
| 22:13.33 | Qzot | Also the model delineated on wowwiki |
| 22:13.48 | Astryl | (this is all multiplied by a stance modifier, but that modifier is the same for bears and defense stance warriors) |
| 22:13.54 | Astryl | Well, Bear threat is completely different. |
| 22:13.59 | Astryl | Mostly. |
| 22:14.20 | Qzot | As in...completely different except where it' the same? |
| 22:14.21 | Astryl | A few skills have a static threat value for them... Demoralizing Roar, Faerie Fire... |
| 22:14.38 | Astryl | But most (ie, 90%+) of your threat as a Bear will come from Maul and Swipe. |
| 22:14.56 | Astryl | They use a multiple for threat, instead of an addition. |
| 22:15.05 | Astryl | Sunder threat = dmg + 215. |
| 22:15.09 | Qzot | And not directly tied to the damage inflicted by said Maul/Swipe? |
| 22:15.12 | Astryl | Maul thread = dmg * 2. |
| 22:15.24 | Qzot | Oooo. |
| 22:15.28 | Astryl | It is directly tied to the damage inflicted by said Maul. |
| 22:15.38 | Astryl | So, as you can see, that scales a hell of alot better than sunder. |
| 22:15.45 | Qzot | But there's a multiplier there. |
| 22:15.50 | Astryl | Yep. |
| 22:16.23 | Astryl | Swipe's multiplier is 3. |
| 22:16.30 | Astryl | Swipe threat = dmg * 3. |
| 22:16.31 | Qzot | No joke? |
| 22:16.33 | Astryl | No joke. |
| 22:17.04 | Astryl | Warrior gets to sunder every 1.5 seconds, doing maybe 300 threat each time. |
| 22:17.29 | Astryl | Bear gets to Maul every 2.5 seconds, doing (suppose 400 damage) 800 threat. |
| 22:17.44 | Qzot | So ... do you gear for maxing AC? Or for maxing your damage during maul/swipe? |
| 22:18.29 | Qzot | I was rather proud of getting to 8600 AC on a 50 durid, and am now wondering if I was misguided. |
| 22:18.43 | Qzot | s/50/57/ |
| 22:18.44 | Astryl | As an added kicker, Maul threat is doubled when you crit (1600 for a crit of 800), whereas a sunder crit does barely more threat than a non-crit (300 vs 400). |
| 22:19.08 | Astryl | Nope, you have to be able to take the hits as well as generate the threat. |
| 22:19.16 | Qzot | Oooo. |
| 22:19.35 | Astryl | Warriors can absorb/avoid damage via Block, Dodge, Parry, and Armor. |
| 22:19.40 | Astryl | Bears get Dodge and Armor. |
| 22:20.00 | Astryl | So you really should be having a hell of alot more armor than similarly geared warrior. |
| 22:20.20 | Depherios | XD |
| 22:20.25 | Depherios | <3 Druid tanks |
| 22:20.26 | Qzot | I'm pretty sure I'm doing a lot better than warriors my level. |
| 22:20.27 | Depherios | so easy to heal |
| 22:20.53 | Astryl | Qzot, 8600 isn't honestly that much for a bear... |
| 22:21.01 | Depherios | 12k |
| 22:21.02 | End | I have 12000 |
| 22:21.06 | Depherios | yup |
| 22:21.28 | End | (well, more like 12246 or something, but who cares about those other digits) |
| 22:21.31 | Astryl | Aye, I've got 11k, without Thick Hide (+10%). (thinking of respecing to that tonight...) |
| 22:21.54 | Astryl | Qzot, you'll find that there are a few key items to really scoring the high armor in Bear form... |
| 22:22.10 | Astryl | You want items that have abnormally high armor for their slot/level. |
| 22:22.18 | Qzot | I quite agree. Remember, I'm not even at tier 0 level yet, toh. |
| 22:22.19 | Depherios | or armor at all |
| 22:22.20 | Depherios | XD |
| 22:22.23 | Depherios | trinkets, rings |
| 22:22.25 | End | animalist is bizarrely high |
| 22:22.28 | AnduinLothar | #1) a pally in your group |
| 22:22.28 | Depherios | anything with 100 -200 armor |
| 22:22.29 | End | for leather |
| 22:22.41 | Qzot | No pallies are willing to group with me. :( |
| 22:22.44 | Astryl | Right, many items have built in armor bonuses. |
| 22:22.48 | End | (weirdly, it's healing leather too) |
| 22:22.57 | End | (so, I specifically use that when tanking) |
| 22:23.00 | Astryl | Rings, trinkets, and weapons with armor are invaluable. |
| 22:23.00 | Qzot | Lol. Animalist? From ZG? |
| 22:23.03 | End | yeah |
| 22:23.10 | Qzot | Lol. I'm barely running BRD. |
| 22:23.27 | Astryl | Animist from ZG has huge armor, but not really that good for tanking as it's all healer stats. |
| 22:23.34 | End | yeah |
| 22:23.46 | End | it's better than cenarion though ;p |
| 22:23.56 | End | I need to finish my rep with AB though |
| 22:24.00 | Astryl | Ring of Protection = 150 armor, 780 in bear form with thick hide. |
| 22:24.07 | Qzot | Here's current gear: Warden staff, Band of the great tortoise, another 50 AC ring, volcanic legs and chest. |
| 22:24.20 | Astryl | You got a Warden Staff, awesome. |
| 22:24.27 | Qzot | I pwn at AH. |
| 22:24.28 | End | <3 warden staff |
| 22:24.38 | Astryl | I got one of those myself, dropped in ST, I was MTing, no question it went to me. :) |
| 22:24.50 | Astryl | And I was 51 at the time, I think. |
| 22:25.13 | End | I don't think I ever tanked on my druid until I hit level 51 |
| 22:25.14 | Astryl | Band of the great tortoise is awesome as well, until you can pick up another high armor ring. |
| 22:25.18 | End | and then I tanked princess |
| 22:25.29 | Qzot | Two BOPs I lack for my level: Atal'ai shoulders (193 AC), and the idol from Roccor in BRD. |
| 22:25.53 | Astryl | In the plaguelands there's a series of quests that give you Ring of Protection. |
| 22:25.59 | Astryl | 150 armor, and I think 9 stamina. |
| 22:26.04 | Qzot | I get so many more invites for my durid than for my huntre at hte same level. And I have gear for either healing or tanking. |
| 22:26.13 | Astryl | Get that, for sure. Best ring in the game that I'm aware of, for bear tanking. |
| 22:26.23 | Depherios | yah, wardens staff... the orgrimmar ring or whatever the alliane equivalent |
| 22:26.33 | Astryl | No alliance equivalent :( |
| 22:26.37 | Depherios | ohh suck |
| 22:26.41 | Astryl | Yeah, totally. |
| 22:26.46 | Depherios | is there an armor trinket? |
| 22:26.54 | End | two armor trinkets |
| 22:26.55 | Astryl | There are 2 armor trinkets in the game. |
| 22:27.02 | Depherios | I know there's the Horde quested one |
| 22:27.12 | Astryl | Smoking Heart of the Mountain, and... bah, what's the name... |
| 22:27.44 | Astryl | Mark of Tyranny. |
| 22:27.53 | Depherios | ah yes, that thing |
| 22:28.01 | Astryl | Mark of Tyranny is a quest reward from the final boss of UBRS. Most pass it up. |
| 22:28.02 | Qzot | Dang. Nice ring. (Ring of Protection.) Will start work on that puppy asap. |
| 22:28.09 | End | I have both :) |
| 22:28.11 | Depherios | yeah my Moonkin friend |
| 22:28.14 | Depherios | HATED taking the Mark |
| 22:28.16 | Depherios | over the eye |
| 22:28.36 | Astryl | Yeah, all 3 rewards from that quest can be useful to a druid... |
| 22:28.46 | Depherios | it was 2% crit for moonkin, or a non-replaceable armor trinket |
| 22:28.48 | Qzot | I won't be getting Smoking Heart of the Mountain. I took up BS too soon. And I'm unwilling to lose either engineering or BS, even temporarily. |
| 22:29.07 | End | ah, I dropped mining for a while |
| 22:29.10 | Astryl | 2% spell crit, vs 2% melee crit, vs 1% dodge, 180 armor, 10 arcane resist. |
| 22:29.36 | Astryl | 2% spell crit and 2% melee crit are both replaceable at end game. Nothing replaces 180 armor/1% dodge. Nothing. |
| 22:29.53 | Qzot | BS is too painful to re-level. And I have all the expensive engr recipes learned on this druid. :( Big mistake. |
| 22:30.13 | Astryl | Aye, I dropped herbalism to take enchanting up to 265, made my Smoking Heart of the Mountain, dropped enchanting, and took herb back to 300. |
| 22:30.21 | Astryl | Aye, that's certainly tough. |
| 22:30.33 | Qzot | If it was anything but BS or engr, I would do the same. :P |
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| 22:30.51 | Qzot | If it turns out the guild doesn't really need a hammersmith after a month or two, I'll reconsider. |
| 22:31.02 | Astryl | Aye... |
| 22:31.07 | Depherios | drop engy... it only takes like... 100g to level up to 255 |
| 22:31.43 | Qzot | Understood. But I've bought and learned Arcanite Dragonling, Shadow reflector, Fire reflector, on this particular durid. |
| 22:31.46 | Astryl | Yeah, but he said he has a bunch of expensive eng plans. |
| 22:32.08 | Qzot | It's the one I use for building these items for all my other engrs. |
| 22:32.13 | Depherios | ahh |
| 22:32.14 | Qzot | Wish it wasn't. :P |
| 22:32.40 | Qzot | Believe me, I lust after that 150 armor trinket. |
| 22:33.05 | Astryl | So anyway... Tank by mauling on every single hit. If you've got extra rage, swipe to use it up. |
| 22:33.33 | Qzot | That's for single mobs? What about crowds? Prefer swipe? |
| 22:33.34 | Astryl | The main problem with Bear tanks is going to be the bursty nature of their threat generation. |
| 22:33.48 | Astryl | Crowds is definitely tougher for bears than warriors. |
| 22:34.02 | Astryl | Demo Roar -> Swipe -> Tab -> Swipe -> Tab -> Swipe. |
| 22:34.17 | Depherios | I'll take a Bear over a Warrior on a single target... but for groups warriors are better |
| 22:34.21 | Astryl | That pretty much requires the 5-rage-per-crit talent though. |
| 22:34.25 | Astryl | Aye, agreed, Deph. |
| 22:34.31 | Depherios | Tanks should have 5 rage per crit |
| 22:34.53 | Astryl | Aye, definitely. Qzot is resto at the moment though, so gotta explain that one. |
| 22:35.05 | Depherios | and a lot of agility... crits are a good deal of threat... My druid hasn't even hit 50 yet but my old guild had NO warriors |
| 22:35.24 | Astryl | Aye, the main stats to look for for bear gear should be Agi and Sta. |
| 22:35.25 | Qzot | Roundrobin swipe? Or rr maul? I thought you said use maul every time. |
| 22:35.33 | Astryl | With a bit of Str. |
| 22:35.38 | Depherios | remember XD Druids are backwards... Cats want STR, and Bears want AGI |
| 22:35.41 | Astryl | Roundrobin swipe for crowds. |
| 22:35.55 | Astryl | Maul maul maul for single targets. |
| 22:36.15 | Qzot | Ahhh! Hadn't realized that comment was contexted for crowds. Makes sense now. |
| 22:36.29 | Qzot | I was doing swipes for crowds, but not RR. |
| 22:36.38 | Astryl | Mauling would work great for crowds... except you can only maul once every 2.5 seconds. So it's 10 seconds before you can deal ANY threat to the 4th mob. |
| 22:37.07 | Qzot | I also spend a lot of time positioning for swipes. To get at least 3. |
| 22:37.49 | Astryl | After you've swiped every mob a few times, to build up enough to hold onto them through your group's initial AoE, then maul a few. |
| 22:38.06 | Astryl | But really, against 3 targets, swipe is better most of the time. |
| 22:38.25 | Qzot | When to bash? |
| 22:39.16 | Astryl | Assuming you'll crit on 1 of the 3, swipe dishes out 1200 threat per 1.5 sec total, spread across 3 targets. Maul'll only do 1000 to a single. |
| 22:39.25 | Qzot | Also, what about pulling with bombs for initial agro build-up. |
| 22:40.12 | Astryl | Bash... A) when you need to heal against a single target. B) which that one damn mob from a crowd that you haven't swiped yet starts to run toward your mage AoEing. |
| 22:40.42 | Astryl | (Trust me, I know ALL about guarding mages... I barely play at all without my girlfriend, who is a suicidal, AoE-happy mage). |
| 22:40.58 | Astryl | And pulling with bombs for initial aggro sounds just fine, though that's not really bear specific. |
| 22:41.05 | Astryl | Oh, one other trick for crowds... |
| 22:41.05 | Qzot | Hmm. I've always saved my taunt for situation (B). |
| 22:41.21 | Astryl | Heh, yeah, that 2. Think if it as a 2nd taunt. |
| 22:41.32 | Qzot | Yeah. But pulling with bombs still gives me fair time to get into bear before they arrive. |
| 22:41.34 | Astryl | Though instead of attacking you, they attack nobody for 4-5 sec. :) |
| 22:41.42 | Qzot | I wish goblin mortars weren't so dang limited. |
| 22:41.53 | Astryl | Aye, still, that's not bear specific, warriors can do that too. |
| 22:42.01 | Astryl | Anyway, good trick for crowds is healing. |
| 22:42.05 | Qzot | True enough. |
| 22:42.14 | Qzot | Yes. I've tried that. |
| 22:42.17 | Astryl | All threat generated in bear form or defensive stance has a multiplier. |
| 22:42.30 | Astryl | I believe is 1.2 without talents, 1.5 with talents. |
| 22:42.43 | Qzot | But you can only do that if you have a fair amount of health to start with, assuming that a bunch of them are already agro'd on you. |
| 22:42.43 | Astryl | That includes threat from heals. |
| 22:42.54 | Astryl | Nope, start with healing. |
| 22:43.10 | Astryl | Regrowth -> Rejuv -> Bear Form -> Attack. |
| 22:43.12 | Qzot | Start?? When no one yet has damage?? |
| 22:43.23 | Astryl | Yeah, heal yourself before you pull. |
| 22:43.42 | Qzot | But, they notice the threat even though they're not yet in combat?? o.O |
| 22:44.01 | Qzot | Wow. You teached me good. |
| 22:44.13 | End | The hot is more important I think |
| 22:44.15 | Astryl | Even though you're at full health, the HoTs ticking away generate a bit of threat, multiplied by your bear form multiplier. |
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| 22:44.37 | Astryl | Yeah, the initial heal of the Regrowth, and the first tick or two of both, before you're in combat, are completely wasted. |
| 22:44.37 | Qzot | k. Gotta try this. :D |
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| 22:45.06 | Astryl | But the subsequent ticks of both heal you for the first like 10-15 sec of the combat, generating aoe threat |
| 22:45.06 | Depherios | even frenzied regen generates aggro |
| 22:45.07 | Qzot | Gotcha. It's the hot that counts. So jump into combat right away afterward. |
| 22:45.09 | Depherios | dunno how much though |
| 22:45.33 | Astryl | Yep, Frenzied regen generates a bit of threat. Not a whole lot, but some. I wouldn't waste it just for threat though. |
| 22:45.35 | Qzot | I usu save frenzied regen to give the healers more time. |
| 22:45.39 | Astryl | Aye. |
| 22:46.15 | Qzot | And if that fails, I pop, and cast NS+Regrowth on myself, and pop back. |
| 22:46.18 | Astryl | My (slightly outdated) profile... |
| 22:46.24 | Astryl | Heh, real bear tanks don't have NS. :) |
| 22:46.32 | Qzot | Hehe. |
| 22:46.46 | Qzot | Remember? I'm resto-specced. Tho that may change. |
| 22:46.58 | Qzot | Unfortunately, our guild is durid-heavy. |
| 22:47.07 | Qzot | We need to recruit some rogues and hunters. |
| 22:47.12 | End | at a certain difficulty of bosses, popping out of form might hurt more than help ;p |
| 22:47.15 | Astryl | However, if you've got enough healing in your group, and you don't have Improved Tranquility, Tranquility can be used to generate a ton of threat. |
| 22:47.22 | Astryl | Aye. |
| 22:47.49 | Qzot | Hmm. Interesting consideration. I have Imp Tran, for better healing. Cuts both ways, I guess. |
| 22:47.49 | Astryl | Against a ton of little mobs that the group is AoEing, if the healers know to watch your health, you can Barkskin + Tranquility. |
| 22:48.07 | Astryl | Untalented, Tranquility generates a *ton* of threat. |
| 22:48.50 | Astryl | Something like 150 per second, per group mate. |
| 22:48.59 | Qzot | Btw, is moonkin tanking viable? Thought about trying it if I respec. |
| 22:49.07 | End | moonkin has like no health |
| 22:49.14 | End | it gets the armor bonus, but not the health bonus |
| 22:49.19 | Qzot | Aha. |
| 22:49.33 | Astryl | So usually 750 threat per second, to all mobs around you. That's quite alot. |
| 22:49.48 | Astryl | And yeah, Moonkins die fast, lack of health. Not that they could hold aggro very well anyway. |
| 22:50.04 | Qzot | Well, that kills that pretty quickly, then. |
| 22:50.46 | Astryl | Moonkin as a whole are rather underpowered, in my outside oppinion. Never tried Moonkin, never wanted to be balance. |
| 22:50.50 | Qzot | Sounds like untalented tranq might be useful for a resto-druid just before switching to tank. |
| 22:51.00 | Astryl | Aye. |
| 22:51.21 | End | I was never interested in moonkin either |
| 22:51.28 | Qzot | Pull the group's health up, generate a lot of threat, then switch to bear befor ethe pounding commences in earnest. |
| 22:51.29 | End | and I haven't tried it either |
| 22:51.41 | Astryl | My (somewhat outdated) profile... |
| 22:51.42 | Astryl | e: |
| 22:51.59 | Astryl | I carry 4 full sets of gear with me nearly everywhere. |
| 22:52.06 | Qzot | I don't think I'm interested in moonkin as a mini-mage. If caster/tanker is not an option, moonkin is out for me. |
| 22:52.27 | Qzot | Heh. I only carry 3. |
| 22:52.46 | Qzot | Tank/Healer/Caster. And I could probably dump the caster, considering how much I use it. |
| 22:52.54 | Astryl | (Yes, I have nearly 3 16-slot bags full of nothing but gear, most of the time) |
| 22:53.22 | Astryl | Healer, Fire Resist, Cat, and Bear item sets. |
| 22:53.32 | Qzot | I'm not a cat fan. |
| 22:53.41 | Qzot | Usually enough people willing to DPS. |
| 22:53.55 | Qzot | I *do* carry a pair of stealth boots. |
| 22:54.10 | End | I use cat when solo |
| 22:54.16 | End | that's about it |
| 22:54.35 | Qzot | I do, too. But I just use my bear armor for that. It's not great, but leaves room for all my engr toys. |
| 22:54.57 | Qzot | <3 Shrink Ray. |
| 22:55.01 | Qzot | <3 Death Ray. |
| 22:55.08 | Qzot | <3 Arcanite Dragonling. |
| 22:55.27 | Astryl | Hehe, yeah, those can certainly be fun toys... |
| 22:55.29 | Qzot | <3 Hyper-radiant Flame Resistor. |
| 22:56.06 | Qzot | Plus the trinkets. I prolly need to thin my trinkets out. |
| 22:56.21 | Qzot | <3 Ultra-safe transporter. |
| 22:56.32 | Qzot | <3 Goblin Jumper Cables XL. |
| 22:57.11 | Qzot | <3 Gnomish Battle Chicken. Woohoo! :D |
| 23:05.27 | Qzot | Cairenn: You on and awake? |
| 23:05.48 | Cairenn | nope, nobody here but us Gnomish Battle Chickens |
| 23:05.52 | Qzot | hehe |
| 23:06.02 | Cairenn | 'sup? |
| 23:06.15 | Qzot | I know I've been a heal about moving PartyAims out of beta. (It needs a redesign that I clearly don't have time for atm.) |
| 23:06.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.31 | Qzot | That said, I think ManHunt, as simple as it is, is ready for release. |
| 23:06.50 | Qzot | Is there another mod already doing that? |
| 23:06.55 | Cairenn | which section do you want it moved to and is there an accompanying thread? |
| 23:07.10 | Qzot | I've never released ManHunt, except to TrN. |
| 23:07.13 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:07.25 | Qzot | Would be trivial, tho. |
| 23:07.37 | Qzot | But no point, if there's another similar mod. |
| 23:07.42 | Cairenn | so what, you're telling me I should actually, like, have read what you typed? |
| 23:07.50 | Qzot | Um. |
| 23:07.59 | Cairenn | I see a message from you, I just delete it |
| 23:08.14 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 23:08.50 | Qzot | ManHunt = makes the red buttons that hunters and cat druids see on their minimaps clickable. |
| 23:09.18 | Cairenn | I think there was something somewhat similar, but I don't recall seeing it on WoWI and I've no idea if it's been kept updated |
| 23:09.27 | Cairenn | go ahead and toss it on up, no reason why not |
| 23:09.31 | Qzot | Also works for all classes for quest turn-ins, but that's relatively uninteristing. |
| 23:09.42 | Qzot | Will do, then. |
| 23:09.59 | Cairenn | mind you, I'm not sure I'm gonna approve it for you :p |
| 23:10.05 | Cairenn | never sticking up for me |
| 23:10.25 | AnduinLothar | typical female manipulation |
| 23:10.26 | Qzot | I don't do it in public. I find private chat more effective. |
| 23:10.42 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 23:11.09 | AnduinLothar | oi |
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| 23:11.32 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 23:11.43 | Dmonx | is there an event that is fired when a frame is shown? |
| 23:12.04 | AnduinLothar | OnShow |
| 23:12.54 | Qzot | I am -- unhappily -- realizing that a PartyAims should be re-written and depend on DiscordUnitFrames or some equivalent. |
| 23:13.10 | AnduinLothar | what's it do? |
| 23:13.36 | Dmonx | hmm |
| 23:13.38 | Qzot | It shows your party's targets, and which party members are targeting each one. |
| 23:13.45 | Dmonx | what's the name of the battlegrounds score frame? |
| 23:14.26 | AnduinLothar | extract the xml |
| 23:14.30 | Qzot | In it's current form, it depends very heavily on running the default unit frames, and allows for no customization. |
| 23:14.36 | Dmonx | k |
| 23:14.36 | Cairenn | Qzot: put in optional dependencies on all the major unit mods |
| 23:14.49 | Qzot | That's even worse. |
| 23:15.03 | Cairenn | if you're gonna put in for one, how do you not put in for the others? |
| 23:15.09 | Qzot | The reason I was suggesting the dependency was to re-use the customization code. |
| 23:15.35 | Cairenn | well, if you make it only compatible with one, though ... |
| 23:15.45 | Qzot | It would probably be easy to write several versions for each major mod, than one version that works for all. |
| 23:15.51 | Qzot | *easier |
| 23:16.02 | Qzot | Obviously, with a fair bit of code sharing on my part. |
| 23:16.06 | Kaso | In 1.11 the colour code determins the dispell class for any debugg right? |
| 23:16.21 | Cairenn | I'm sure there must be some way that you can make it behave with most |
| 23:16.25 | Qzot | Or ... I could standardize it to the best features, and remove the dependency on the default unit frames. |
| 23:16.35 | Cairenn | might try looking at Gello's Adapt |
| 23:16.51 | Cairenn | since, iirc, that will work with almost any unit mod out there |
| 23:16.56 | Qzot | If I ever get around to doing *anything* (guilt, guilt), I'll do that. |
| 23:17.03 | Tem | Anyone around that knows how to get the new polymorph spell in 1.11? (not pig. I'v already got pig) |
| 23:17.35 | Cairenn | Qzot: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4729 |
| 23:17.43 | Cairenn | <3 Gello's Adapt |
| 23:17.57 | Qzot | But I'm wanting to have my xml depend, for example, on DUF templates in his xml. Can't do that for several versions easily. |
| 23:18.59 | Qzot | I'm not just talking about working with DUF, but essentially cannibalizing it via re-use. |
| 23:19.28 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:20.25 | Qzot | And the real goal is to shrink the amount of work I'm shirking. :P |
| 23:20.44 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:23.12 | Cairenn | Well, I must say, I'm sorely disappointed in you Qzot. I can't believe that you've been shirking your work on the mod. After all, look how much you are getting paid for doing it ... oh wait |
| 23:23.40 | Qzot | Heh. I wish I was getting paid for working on it... |
| 23:23.47 | Cairenn | my point precisely |
| 23:24.03 | Qzot | I know. I was so *close* to getting paid to work on it, too. :P |
| 23:24.30 | Qzot | (Switching machines.) |
| 23:24.37 | Tem | ugh, Cairenn |
| 23:24.44 | Tem | I can't download from WoWI |
| 23:24.54 | Tem | I'm getting a FF browser error |
| 23:25.15 | Tem | it aparently thinkg the download link is some unknown protocol |
| 23:25.20 | Cairenn | give me a link to something you're trying to download |
| 23:25.41 | Cairenn | ... yeah, okay ... linkage, please? |
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| 23:25.48 | Qzot | (Back) |
| 23:25.53 | zenzio | lies |
| 23:25.54 | Cairenn | (front) |
| 23:25.59 | Tem | I'm trying to download ADAPT |
| 23:26.04 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4729 |
| 23:26.10 | Cairenn | is it STILL acting up? bugger |
| 23:26.56 | zenzio | I must admit I've never heard of the download4729-adapt protocol |
| 23:27.03 | Tem | yeah, that's the one I'm getting too |
| 23:28.05 | Cairenn | yeah, known bug, Dolby thought he got it fixed, guess not |
| 23:28.10 | Cairenn | I've beeped him |
| 23:28.33 | zenzio | seems to be just some files |
| 23:28.46 | Cairenn | yeah, because of the way the author has named them |
| 23:29.09 | Tem | Ok, the polymorphs are pig and ? |
| 23:29.18 | Tem | I can't remember the other(s?) |
| 23:29.24 | zenzio | a question-mark polymorph would be neat |
| 23:29.27 | Cairenn | thanks for letting me know it was still causing problems |
| 23:29.33 | zenzio | "don't hit the question mark!" |
| 23:29.41 | Qzot | <3 Synergy. What a way to work on 2 compys at once. |
| 23:29.55 | zenzio | I'm serious :-o |
| 23:29.56 | Cairenn | (and if anyone in here *does* want Adapt, in the meantime, I can email it to you) |
| 23:30.01 | Tem | please |
| 23:31.15 | Astryl | Turtle, btw. |
| 23:31.19 | Astryl | Pig, Sheep, Turtle. |
| 23:32.05 | Tem | where can I get turtle? |
| 23:32.15 | Qzot | I would like some group help, please. |
| 23:32.19 | Tem | oh! don't I need some sort of toroise shell? |
| 23:32.27 | Tem | and I take it to the archmage? |
| 23:32.28 | Qzot | I'm about to release a mod to wowi, but the name sucks. |
| 23:32.36 | Tem | Qzot: I feel your pain |
| 23:32.40 | Cairenn | Tem: inc to your gmail account |
| 23:32.44 | Qzot | I shall describe the mod, and you shall name it for me. |
| 23:32.52 | Tem | I ahve like 3 mods that I'm ready to write, but I don't have names for them |
| 23:33.01 | Tem | so they remain in the idea stage |
| 23:33.03 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:33.27 | Cairenn | I thought the name you already said was not bad, Qzot |
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| 23:33.49 | Qzot | Working name: "ManHunt". What it does: Any NPCs represented on the minimap, are clickable (via TargetByName). This has a couple limitations, but in practice is really nice. The mod itself is near-trivial, but useful. |
| 23:34.19 | Qzot | Really useful for hunters and durids, but usable for quest NPCs by anyone. |
| 23:34.35 | Qzot | Suggestions > ManHunt, plz? |
| 23:34.44 | Tem | Astryl: do you know what type of item I need for the turtle? |
| 23:35.15 | Astryl | Tem: No clue. I just know Tseric said the 3 typs of polymorph will be sheep pig and turtle. |
| 23:35.20 | Tem | k |
| 23:35.33 | Astryl | I *think* they're both learned spells from books dropped in high lvl dungeons. |
| 23:35.46 | Tem | pig is a quest from the archmage in azshara |
| 23:36.19 | Tem | and I remember reading somewhere that to get the turtle spell you give the same archmage some sort of turtle shell after doing the pig quest |
| 23:36.37 | Tem | I've done the pig quest, but I don't know where to go from there |
| 23:39.10 | Qzot | Minimap Targeting > ManHunt? |
| 23:39.22 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 23:40.20 | Tem | I wish I could help, Qzot, but I, too, suck at naming addons. |
| 23:40.30 | Qzot | No necessarily true. |
| 23:40.36 | Cairenn | this one sounds completely stupid and doesn't *quite* fit, but it has jumped into my brain for whatever reason, so I'm throwing it out there for usage by anyone if they want it ... "ClickNStick" |
| 23:40.43 | Qzot | So far, we only know that you suck at naming your *own* addons. |
| 23:40.44 | Qzot | :D |
| 23:41.14 | Qzot | TrackNClick? |
| 23:41.21 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 23:41.25 | Qzot | ClickNTrack? |
| 23:41.52 | Qzot | CluckNDuck? |
| 23:41.53 | Cairenn | that would be more for one where you are changing from one type of tracking to another, imo |
| 23:42.06 | Cairenn | ClickNTrack, I mean :p |
| 23:44.19 | Cairenn | for reference, when I think ClickNStick, what comes to mind is some form of an auto-follow type thing |
| 23:44.44 | Cairenn | but like I said, the name popped into my brain and won't leave, soooo ... |
| 23:45.27 | AnduinLothar | StabbyStabby |
| 23:45.40 | AnduinLothar | knife in, knife out |
| 23:46.39 | Qzot | Any cases where a temporary retarget is really bad news, other than a rogue/druid with active combo points? |
| 23:47.16 | Cairenn | lots |
| 23:47.30 | Cairenn | break a mez :p |
| 23:47.37 | Qzot | ?? |
| 23:48.16 | Ratbert_CP | Just about any channeling spell... Right? |
| 23:48.20 | Qzot | In one function inside ManHunt, I target something just long enough to get some info about it. I don't do this unless I'm certain it's safe, and that I can restore the target immediately. |
| 23:48.33 | Qzot | Hmm. |
| 23:48.49 | Cairenn | crowd control ... you're fighting, the hunter has used scattershot or the rogue has sapped or the mage has poly'd or whatever ... you accidently target that mob instead and hit it, thus breaking mez ... |
| 23:49.05 | Qzot | Ah. That won't happen. |
| 23:49.26 | Qzot | Because the retarget and the restore target happen in the same call to my code. |
| 23:50.02 | Cairenn | you say so, I was just giving you a time where a mistarget can be bad news :p |
| 23:50.14 | Qzot | But channeling spells sounds like a problem. |
| 23:50.36 | Qzot | Maybe I could just disable whenever you're in combat. You wouldn't lose much functionality. |
| 23:50.53 | Kaso | you can channel spells and still change target cant you? |
| 23:51.21 | Cairenn | which way do you mean, Q? disable the combat or disable your mod? |
| 23:51.21 | Qzot | Can you change targets after starting the channel? I don't know. |
| 23:51.33 | Qzot | Disable one small part of the mod. |
| 23:51.38 | Cairenn | okay |
| 23:51.50 | Cairenn | cause disabling the combat could be a bitch, too |
| 23:52.02 | Kaso | ill test now for you but im sure once you've started channeling you can switch |
| 23:52.12 | Qzot | I change the color of the tooltip name in the minimap, depending on certain info, and only if I know it's safe to collect that info. |
| 23:52.27 | Tem | Kaso: you can |
| 23:52.37 | Kaso | there you go ^ |
| 23:52.40 | Tem | there was a bug a while back where if you changed targets while channeling, the spell changed targets |
| 23:52.48 | Qzot | For example: If a target is PC and opposite faction, I change the name to red. |
| 23:52.54 | Tem | and when it changed targets, it did not check LoS or Range |
| 23:53.02 | Tem | which made for infinite range Arcane missiles |
| 23:53.12 | Kaso | sounds overpowered |
| 23:53.19 | Dmonx | I think I remember that o.O |
| 23:53.26 | Qzot | So ... are there any cases where a mod changing targets and immediately changing back could be problematic? |
| 23:53.37 | Qzot | ...other than having combo points? |
| 23:54.40 | Qzot | (I guess I could just publish and wait for people to bitch, but that seems so non-proactive.) |
| 23:55.06 | Kaso | not unless you plan to be doing it alot that could give performance problems i guess |
| 23:55.36 | Cairenn | GAWD I wish Mazzle would just get the stupid mod released already ... no one repeat that :p |
| 23:55.59 | Qzot | It only happens when the user hovers over dots in the minimap. That's likely to happen while the scene is fairly quiescent. |
| 23:56.38 | Qzot | :D |
| 23:56.43 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3648 |
| 23:57.05 | Cairenn | 880 replies, NOT counting all the ones I've had to delete from the damn thread |
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| 23:57.45 | zenzio | too much stuff on screen :-o |
| 23:57.59 | Cairenn | it's being made for widescreen |
| 23:59.12 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.20 | Tem | anyone met a Shadow of Doom yet? |
| 23:59.47 | Tem | they have 1 assload of hp |
| 23:59.50 | Cairenn | Tem: try downloading Adapt now, please? |
| 23:59.51 | Tem | and I almost soloed one |
