| 00:00.01 | Tem | but the bastard evaded at 3% |
| 00:00.38 | Tem | works, Cair |
| 00:00.57 | Cairenn | great, Dolby found and fixed |
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| 00:05.05 | Qzot | Lol. Can't remember my wowi password. :P |
| 00:06.43 | Qzot | Yes, please. Ready to upload. |
| 00:06.51 | Qzot | mt |
| 00:09.20 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 00:09.21 | Qzot | mt |
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| 00:15.29 | Qzot | I tried. It complained. Did it actually make it, then? |
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| 00:20.30 | Tem_ | DAMNIT |
| 00:20.39 | Tem_ | I lost my spot on the PTR by driving home |
| 00:20.58 | Tem_ | now there's 3700 other blokes who want in before me |
| 00:26.12 | MentalPower | Cairenn: care to tell me when mazzle finishes his UI? |
| 00:26.30 | Cairenn | if I think of it, I'll mention it, sure |
| 00:26.47 | MentalPower | thanks |
| 00:27.01 | Cairenn | np |
| 00:27.58 | AnduinLothar | 23" /jealous |
| 00:30.11 | Kaelten | hiya |
| 00:30.18 | Cairenn | hi kael |
| 00:31.14 | Kaelten | heya cair, how you doin? |
| 00:32.26 | Cairenn | not bad, yourself? |
| 00:33.45 | AnduinLothar | SNAKE ON A PLANE! |
| 00:34.06 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 00:34.22 | AnduinLothar | lol, cair hasn't seen xmen3 |
| 00:34.58 | Cairenn | actually, yeah, I have |
| 00:35.22 | AnduinLothar | was in the preiviews, possibly different up there |
| 00:35.58 | AnduinLothar | but everyone int he US who's seen x3 say it so it's fairly widespred |
| 00:35.58 | Cairenn | I just forgot the scene was all |
| 00:36.15 | AnduinLothar | nah, it's not fromt he actual movies |
| 00:36.18 | AnduinLothar | movie* |
| 00:36.36 | AnduinLothar | it was in the previews for some unnamed movie coming out this summer |
| 00:37.18 | AnduinLothar | it's the most notable preview, and possibly for the stupidist movie, I've seen in the longest time... |
| 00:37.26 | AnduinLothar | lemme see if i can find it |
| 00:38.20 | Wobin | Good ol' Samuel L Jackson |
| 00:38.25 | AnduinLothar | ok, it was named lol |
| 00:38.28 | Wobin | SNAKES ON A Motherfucking PLANE |
| 00:39.52 | AnduinLothar | aaww, that trailer is no where near as memorable |
| 00:40.50 | AnduinLothar | the trailer at the theaters was infinitely better |
| 00:41.05 | AnduinLothar | in fact the entire theater was laughing half way through the next trailer |
| 00:41.05 | Wobin | Memorable? |
| 00:41.13 | Wobin | You have Samuel L Jackson |
| 00:41.15 | Wobin | And Snakes. |
| 00:41.17 | Wobin | On a plane |
| 00:41.27 | Wobin | How much more memorable do you need? =P |
| 00:41.33 | AnduinLothar | the trailer i saw didn't even have sam |
| 00:41.39 | AnduinLothar | it was just funny |
| 00:44.26 | AnduinLothar | ok, the preview i saw is amazingly not online |
| 00:49.16 | Kaelten | on svn hooks, should the file name be post-commit or post-commit.sh? |
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| 01:50.38 | Cairenn | brb |
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| 01:54.22 | cladhaire | Kaelten: post-commit |
| 01:54.26 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 01:54.33 | Kaelten | thanks now if only I can figure out why its not working |
| 01:54.44 | cladhaire | chmod 775? |
| 01:54.47 | Kaelten | if I env - post-commit it works |
| 01:54.50 | Kaelten | otherwise it won't |
| 01:54.51 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 01:55.04 | cladhaire | what hook are you running? |
| 01:56.27 | Kaelten | post-commit |
| 01:56.35 | Kaelten | to checkout the files and copy some around |
| 01:57.51 | cladhaire | fun |
| 01:58.39 | Kaelten | ya it works when I run it manually but svn isn't running it |
| 01:58.41 | Kaelten | :s |
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| 02:10.02 | zenzio | funky... I download a bunch of highly-rated movies from WarcraftMovies, watch them, and sit back thinking "so the movie I used to like is half-stolen content and otherwise heavily inspired by these" |
| 02:11.53 | Kaelten | cladhaire, you have any idea why my hook isn't working? |
| 02:12.11 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 02:12.25 | Kaelten | neither do the folks in #svn |
| 02:12.45 | cladhaire | do you have #!/bin/sh at the top? |
| 02:13.30 | Tem | woah, any mages here done testing on the PTR? |
| 02:13.39 | Tem | it looked like Artic reach is broken |
| 02:13.42 | Tem | looks* |
| 02:14.52 | cladhaire | Kaelten: If you don't have the #! it won't work. |
| 02:14.54 | cladhaire | Tem: Book |
| 02:18.29 | Kaelten | hmm no |
| 02:20.21 | cladhaire | Kaelten: Yeah, that has to exist =) |
| 02:20.24 | cladhaire | I had the same issue |
| 02:20.30 | cladhaire | kergothy fixed it for me. |
| 02:21.44 | Tain | You know I watched X-Men 3 three days ago and I'm still annoyed by it. |
| 02:22.34 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 02:22.38 | cladhaire | Thats' what i hear about it |
| 02:22.42 | cladhaire | i'm waiting for DVD |
| 02:23.22 | Tain | So angry. |
| 02:23.29 | Kaelten | heh |
| 02:23.39 | Kaelten | although now the sending content is taking forever |
| 02:24.17 | cladhaire | anyone have contacts in las vegas? |
| 02:24.26 | Tain | Yeah. For what? |
| 02:24.53 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 02:24.56 | cladhaire | we're going to vegas next month |
| 02:24.59 | cladhaire | i love vegas |
| 02:25.05 | Tain | Me too. |
| 02:25.30 | Tain | Wait did you find decent airfare? I've been looking for the last 2 months and haven't found anything under $300 until July. |
| 02:26.48 | gnorlish | 1 way or roundtrip? |
| 02:27.07 | Tain | Roundtrip. Can you even buy 1 way tickets anymore? |
| 02:27.12 | gnorlish | yes? |
| 02:27.16 | gnorlish | why would i ask otherwise |
| 02:27.33 | cladhaire | Tain: Nope.. everything is insane.. |
| 02:27.45 | cladhaire | Tain: We're looking at $500 for hotel and airfare each |
| 02:28.20 | Kaelten | does the post-commit hook hang up the commit process clad? |
| 02:29.40 | Tain | Ug it sucks. After July 1 everything starts dropping. |
| 02:30.06 | Tain | What hotel? |
| 02:30.19 | cladhaire | after july 1 everything starts dropping? |
| 02:30.25 | cladhaire | hehe they're mad expensive in july still |
| 02:30.26 | Tain | I've been looking at airfare and hotels for weeks, every day almost. |
| 02:30.31 | cladhaire | vegas.com |
| 02:30.52 | Tain | I found $200 airfare starting in July. |
| 02:30.59 | cladhaire | I'd like to stay at the Luxor (i like it, next to mandalay, etc) but we're looking at Hooters.. little cheaper.. |
| 02:31.06 | cladhaire | Tain: Aaah, you'r ecoming fro Boston-ish right? |
| 02:31.26 | cladhaire | airfare from syracuse is always > $300 |
| 02:32.06 | Tain | Boston/Providence, I can get to either. |
| 02:32.29 | Tain | But I'm used to more like $175, so this $300+ crap has got to go. |
| 02:33.24 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 02:33.27 | cladhaire | come with us. |
| 02:33.54 | Tain | You don't even know, I've been looking constantly. I want to go back. |
| 02:34.08 | Tain | One of my friends from Vegas was in town this weekend. |
| 02:40.10 | Tain | I was looking at apartment prices in Vegas actually. So much cheaper than here. |
| 02:42.32 | cladhaire | cause living there is so spensive =) |
| 02:43.53 | Tain | Only for the crazy ass gamblers! |
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| 03:25.07 | Tem | oh wow, AD rep is easy |
| 03:25.10 | Tem | 5 per kill |
| 03:25.21 | Tem | and I can easily kill 10-15 of these at once |
| 03:27.06 | Tem | probably only getting rep since I'm neutral |
| 03:28.19 | Wobin | yeah |
| 03:28.54 | Tem | I wonder what these necrotic runes are for |
| 03:31.18 | Tem | I hope they aren't a scourstone clone |
| 03:31.35 | Miravlix | If this was the Matrix I would be ordering an XML programming download |
| 03:33.00 | Miravlix | Can't seem to find an angel to learn the widget set. |
| 03:33.52 | Wobin | It's remarkably ... unclear |
| 03:34.15 | Wobin | I mean normally I'm fine with learning new stuff, but the xml widgets? |
| 03:34.22 | Wobin | Clear as mud =P |
| 03:34.34 | Wobin | It could be a throwback to my disgust at Coldfusion coding =P |
| 03:35.25 | Miravlix | Problem is you need to remember all kinds of tags to create something, but I can't find a clear description of what is needed. |
| 03:36.02 | Wobin | FrameXML.ui? |
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| 03:55.14 | Kaelten | how can you telll which user is running a program in linux? |
| 03:55.47 | Tain | ps aux |
| 03:55.52 | Tain | Will tell you everything. |
| 03:56.13 | Kaelten | damn, svn isn't loaded in memory so it won't share |
| 04:12.27 | Miravlix | I hate maintenance! |
| 04:16.17 | Miravlix | Phew, Test is up, that makes me breath a sight of releif |
| 04:19.55 | Kaelten | night guys |
| 04:20.21 | Cairenn | night Kael |
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| 04:42.47 | Crispix | *sigh* good unit frames are so hard to come by :( |
| 04:43.58 | Tain | Depends what you're looking for in "good" |
| 04:44.23 | Crispix | Anything other than DUF and Nymbias |
| 04:44.28 | Crispix | just want something small.. and unique |
| 04:45.59 | Cairenn | have you looked at Clad's? |
| 04:46.06 | Tain | Well I personally like WatchDog, and MiniGroup2 is pretty small as well. |
| 04:46.30 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3953 |
| 04:46.39 | Crispix | Clads? |
| 04:46.42 | Crispix | *clicks linky* |
| 04:47.01 | gnorlish | ouf, lucen, perl classic |
| 04:47.23 | Miravlix | What am I missing to make http://wow.pastebin.com/748449 work? (CreateFrame stuff) |
| 04:47.40 | Cairenn | here's Perl: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4275-Perl_Classic_Unit_Frames.html |
| 04:47.49 | Crispix | Tain what is minigroup2? |
| 04:48.01 | Cairenn | don't think I've got the link for the latest Minigroup |
| 04:48.25 | Tain | Ah.. I'm not even sure, I haven't really used it since I really started using WatchDog. |
| 04:48.54 | Crispix | Anyone knwo what mazzy is using in her (his?) mod? |
| 04:49.03 | Cairenn | http://wow.jaslaughter.com/ |
| 04:49.06 | Tain | Miravlix: What doesn't work right there? Or what happens? |
| 04:49.12 | Miravlix | Nothing |
| 04:49.15 | Crispix | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2628 :O |
| 04:49.16 | Cairenn | that *used* to be MiniGroup, no idea if it still works or not |
| 04:49.17 | Crispix | That looks nice |
| 04:49.26 | Cairenn | Crispix: Mazzle is using DUF |
| 04:49.31 | Miravlix | It should create a frame in the center of the screen with nothing in it |
| 04:50.36 | Crispix | I think I'm going to give that one a try :D |
| 04:50.41 | Tain | I forget if this got resolved in the last patch but there was a time recently (I think) that SetPoint() needed all paramaters passed to it. |
| 04:50.58 | Cairenn | Crispix: if you scroll down through the list that guy has of the mods that are in it, you'll see he's got MinGroup2 listed ... |
| 04:51.09 | Cairenn | MiniGroup2* |
| 04:51.24 | Miravlix | Tain: Hmm. 1.11 bitches (error) if I do SetPoint( "CENTER" ) |
| 04:51.26 | Crispix | *nod* |
| 04:52.07 | Cairenn | and if you are already using Ace mods at all, there are these: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat83.html |
| 04:52.25 | Tain | I just know I started implicitly passing all params to SetPoint. Like ("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER", 0, 0) or such |
| 04:53.01 | Miravlix | Didn't make a difference. |
| 04:53.01 | Tain | It wasn't like that until I think 1.10 and I thought was fixed but worth at least an attept to see for sure. |
| 04:53.05 | Tain | ok then! heh |
| 04:53.22 | Miravlix | I'm missing some SetX I guess |
| 04:54.34 | Miravlix | I'm trying to CreateFrame http://www.wowwiki.com/XML/Frame/Backdrop |
| 04:55.32 | Tain | Oh do your file paths need the backslashes escaped? |
| 04:56.38 | Miravlix | You got a point there that for sure, lets see if thats it. |
| 04:57.33 | Miravlix | Yeah got it, full screen one though |
| 04:58.20 | Miravlix | Now to comment everything out to get the bare minimum. |
| 04:58.27 | Iriel | sleep time |
| 04:58.48 | Miravlix | My guess is it needs SetHeight/Width, Parrent, SetPoint and SetbackDrop |
| 04:59.49 | Cairenn | night Iriel |
| 05:07.48 | Tem | yay |
| 05:07.52 | Tem | done backing up |
| 05:12.42 | Miravlix | This getglobal( "SeaSpellbookTooltipTextLeft" .. i ):SetFont( getglobal( "GameTooltipTextLeft" .. i ) ) |
| 05:12.42 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.01 | Miravlix | To make dynamic GameTooltipTextLeft1 |
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| 05:15.42 | Miravlix | Well only when I remember :GetFont() after the GameTooltip getglobal. :) |
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| 05:42.06 | Miravlix_ | Would be nice if they keept test up and allowed us programmers to loadfile there |
| 05:43.36 | Cairenn | indeed |
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| 06:07.22 | s|loup | hi |
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| 06:12.41 | Cairenn | hi s|loup |
| 06:12.43 | Cairenn | night all |
| 06:12.48 | s|loup | n8 |
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| 06:20.55 | ckknight | alright, I just uploaded a bunch of stuff to WoWI |
| 06:22.11 | Miravlix_ | Nice timeing, you just had to wait until Cairenn got into her nightgown |
| 06:23.32 | ckknight | sextastic |
| 06:23.39 | ckknight | it's all bugfix stuff |
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| 06:57.02 | s|loup | how do you find the right category for your mods? |
| 06:57.20 | s|loup | im confused if my mod is a chat or a tradeskill mod :/ |
| 06:58.02 | Miravlix_ | How do you make sure your Frames scale is always following the UI Scale? |
| 06:58.26 | s|loup | parent = "UIParent" |
| 06:58.47 | Miravlix_ | I don't do XMl |
| 06:59.02 | Miravlix_ | I have SetParent( UIParent ) though |
| 06:59.13 | Miravlix_ | TTLibFrame:SetScale( TTLibFrame:GetParent():GetScale() ) |
| 06:59.19 | Miravlix_ | But it doesn't work |
| 06:59.34 | s|loup | SetScale(UIFrame:GetScale()) maybe? |
| 06:59.49 | Miravlix_ | Oh the code is fine, just not onload |
| 06:59.58 | Miravlix_ | Since the Scale hasn't been restored yet |
| 07:00.09 | Miravlix_ | It's the automatic propogation of scale |
| 07:00.14 | Miravlix_ | that I'm missing |
| 07:00.20 | s|loup | hm |
| 07:00.37 | Miravlix_ | When the UIParents scale change my addon doesn't get told. :/ |
| 07:01.02 | Miravlix_ | Maybe because it's done with CreateFrame, since it seems automatic for everything else |
| 07:01.48 | s|loup | cant you say on createframe what is parent? |
| 07:02.04 | Miravlix_ | TTLibFrame:SetParent( UIParent ) |
| 07:02.10 | s|loup | CreateFrame("MyFrame","Frame","UIParent"); |
| 07:02.52 | s|loup | i dont know if there is a defference in creating and setting |
| 07:03.02 | Miravlix_ | Aah yes, maybe SetParent works differently |
| 07:04.28 | Miravlix_ | wth, I use 20 MB less UI Memory on test |
| 07:04.31 | Miravlix_ | Thats nice |
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| 07:04.49 | Miravlix_ | Still doesn't scale, waah |
| 07:04.57 | s|loup | also as i know the dynamic creating system is not completed, there are several bugs |
| 07:05.59 | s|loup | maybe test it on 1.11 PTR? |
| 07:06.20 | s|loup | there are some changes to the dynamic creating |
| 07:06.23 | Miravlix_ | Nothing an OnUpdate() if this:GetScale() ~= this:GetParent():GetScale() then can't fix |
| 07:06.27 | Miravlix_ | I am on test |
| 07:06.31 | s|loup | oh ok |
| 07:06.50 | Miravlix_ | And I can't get it to auto scale or make it a build in frame |
| 07:07.04 | Miravlix_ | UIPanelWindows[TTLibFrame:GetName()] = { area = "left", pushable = 5 }; |
| 07:07.18 | Miravlix_ | Doesn't link it in as a standard frame either. |
| 07:26.24 | Miravlix_ | Argh, scale I can deal with, but that my Window can't link into the UIPanels system sucks |
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| 07:28.49 | Miravlix_ | No kittens for you! |
| 07:28.55 | a-stray-cat | omg </3 |
| 07:29.08 | a-stray-cat | don't be so mean :< |
| 07:29.19 | Miravlix_ | It's not mean |
| 07:29.25 | a-stray-cat | yes you are! |
| 07:29.45 | Miravlix_ | Stray cats don't live a good life, so it's better to neuter them |
| 07:29.57 | a-stray-cat | sure we do |
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| 07:33.39 | s|loup | all animals should live in a zoo or will be neuter, wildlife is bad jail them all! |
| 07:34.10 | s|loup | arrest the world freedom only for humans |
| 07:34.53 | krka|work | all humans who don't have a permanent residence should be neutered |
| 07:35.32 | s|loup | of course because they live a godd life |
| 07:35.50 | s|loup | s/godd/good |
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| 07:46.56 | Elkano | Anyone knows how the return values from GetScreenHeight()/GetScreenWidth() and frame:GetTop()/frame:GetBottom()/frame:GetLeft()/frame:GetRight() are affected by scaling? |
| 07:48.22 | Miravlix_ | They are all scaled |
| 07:49.16 | Miravlix_ | Woot, my frame is now a UIPanelWindow |
| 07:54.12 | Corrodias | time to try to catch up on how all the oblivion mods i tagged to "keep an eye on" have progressed in the last couple of months |
| 07:54.16 | Corrodias | this will be a TASK |
| 08:02.19 | s|loup | how does it come Miravlix_ |
| 08:02.21 | s|loup | ? |
| 08:02.45 | Miravlix_ | I call SetLeftFrame( MyFrame ) and that initialized it |
| 08:03.01 | Miravlix_ | It's still positioned wrong though, looking change that |
| 08:05.43 | s|loup | hm cant find setleftframe at wowwiki is it your own function? |
| 08:05.54 | Miravlix_ | Blizzard |
| 08:06.00 | Miravlix_ | UIParent.lua |
| 08:06.05 | s|loup | oh |
| 08:15.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | soooo, any news from anyone on the ctmod team about what they're gonna do about ctra with 1.11 adding many of its features into the base game? |
| 08:16.05 | AnduinLothar | Cide == ctmod team |
| 08:16.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow, only one guy? :O |
| 08:16.43 | Gngsk | thought there was another guy |
| 08:16.50 | Gngsk | or did he leave wow? |
| 08:17.08 | AnduinLothar | TS does various web site and admin and tech support, but no coding |
| 08:17.17 | Gngsk | ahh |
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| 08:31.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha someone found a way to bypass blizzard's movement hooking |
| 08:31.16 | krka|work | again? |
| 08:31.17 | krka|work | link! |
| 08:32.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1585-autoinnerfire.html |
| 08:33.07 | AnduinLothar | Users online @ 1:32am pacific time... >3.3k |
| 08:33.10 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 08:33.57 | ckknight_ | 3.3k? |
| 08:34.27 | AnduinLothar | on curse |
| 08:34.57 | ckknight_ | ah |
| 08:35.28 | AnduinLothar | so, anyone figured out how it works? |
| 08:35.58 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 08:36.00 | ckknight_ | I have |
| 08:36.27 | ckknight_ | every time the buff runs out (you have no inner fire), it maps wasd to the cast function |
| 08:36.37 | ckknight_ | the cast function then remaps wasd to movement |
| 08:36.44 | AnduinLothar | and then maps it back after casting |
| 08:36.50 | Wobin | So if you're running, you'll stop short, recast |
| 08:36.51 | AnduinLothar | makes sense |
| 08:37.11 | ckknight_ | not quite, Wobin |
| 08:37.20 | ckknight_ | I'm guessing you'd have to tap it to recast |
| 08:37.26 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 08:37.27 | Wobin | hm probably |
| 08:37.27 | ckknight_ | instead of it stopping working |
| 08:37.39 | ckknight_ | either way, rather ingenious |
| 08:37.41 | AnduinLothar | cause down and up are the triggers, not holding |
| 08:38.01 | AnduinLothar | if it's smart it hooks up |
| 08:38.41 | AnduinLothar | that way you'll keep running till you let go, letting go will recast and pushing down will do nothing since you're still running |
| 08:38.55 | AnduinLothar | tap to stop |
| 08:39.57 | AnduinLothar | we did something similar before, this is just an extra tap |
| 08:40.32 | AnduinLothar | and uses the events, rather than hooking to change bindings |
| 08:40.48 | AnduinLothar | won't work for fishing |
| 08:41.09 | AnduinLothar | since there's no cast event |
| 08:41.16 | Wobin | alas |
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| 08:49.57 | Miravlix_ | I'll be damned IT'S ALIVE! |
| 08:51.06 | ckknight_ | ? |
| 08:52.01 | Miravlix_ | http://wow.pastebin.com/748641 Dynamically created Frame that works like Friends and those things |
| 08:52.35 | Miravlix_ | Only tested on 1.11 |
| 08:54.25 | Miravlix | SetScript OnUpdate is needed because CreateFrame doesn't inherits scale from parent |
| 08:55.18 | Miravlix | And for some reason I can only get UIPanelWindows["TTLibFrame"] = { area = "left", pushable = 5 }; working if I do it in OnLoad |
| 08:58.09 | Miravlix | I thought the reason I didn't inherit scale was the CreateFrame line CreateFrame("Frame", "TTLibFrame", UIParent) |
| 08:58.46 | Miravlix | Because I found Blizzard code to be using "UIParent" in SetPoint, but it has to be UIParent not "UIParent" |
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| 08:59.23 | AnduinLothar | SetPoint takes either |
| 08:59.32 | AnduinLothar | name or frame |
| 08:59.47 | Miravlix | One last problem to fix the SetScale, when I change the scale I messes up the position |
| 09:00.14 | AnduinLothar | depends on how it's anchored |
| 09:00.50 | Miravlix | It's achored like all other blizzard frames, QuestLogFrame |
| 09:01.00 | Miravlix | So no it just CreateFrame bugs |
| 09:01.18 | Miravlix | I have to find work arounds for. |
| 09:01.44 | AnduinLothar | no, i mean changing scale only messes up position if it's not anchored in the same way as the screen rescales |
| 09:02.13 | AnduinLothar | you just have to save the last anchored points before rescaling and then re set point |
| 09:02.17 | Miravlix | It's ANCHOR'ed PRICESILY the way Blizzard UIPanelWindows is |
| 09:02.20 | Miravlix | And QuestLogFrame |
| 09:02.26 | Miravlix | None of them messes up in scale |
| 09:02.44 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you mean by messing up |
| 09:03.36 | AnduinLothar | anyway, enough being devil;s advocate, I'm sure you can figure it out |
| 09:04.07 | Miravlix | CreateFrames does not inherit from there parent |
| 09:04.19 | Miravlix | So when UIParent scale change, my Frame isn't informed |
| 09:04.30 | Miravlix | I then try to do it manually in an onupdate |
| 09:04.59 | Miravlix | But I'm not getting all the details that a normal hand down would pass on to the sub frames |
| 09:05.16 | AnduinLothar | so are you trying to point out a bug? I'm confused |
| 09:06.03 | Miravlix | I've no idea if the missing Parent system when using CreateFrame is a bug, limitation, or what. |
| 09:06.17 | AnduinLothar | still confused |
| 09:06.23 | AnduinLothar | SetParent? |
| 09:06.44 | Miravlix | You can setup yourself as having a parent |
| 09:06.54 | Miravlix | But you don't seem to register as a chield |
| 09:07.15 | AnduinLothar | sounds like a SetParent bug if it's true |
| 09:10.30 | Maldivia | it scales fine here |
| 09:10.34 | Maldivia | on PTR |
| 09:11.13 | Miravlix | I'm trying to write a UIParent:GetChildren() parser |
| 09:11.46 | Miravlix | It returns a variable pr. frame thats linked to it. |
| 09:12.28 | Maldivia | Miravlix: remember, GetScale should return 1 on the child (unless specifically set by SetScale), GetEffectiveScale should return the scale |
| 09:15.13 | Miravlix | UIParent does have TTLibFrame as a chield. |
| 09:15.34 | Miravlix | GetScale doesn't return 1 |
| 09:15.36 | Maldivia | testing on 1.10.2 or 0.11 ? |
| 09:15.42 | Miravlix | It returns 0.79 on my system |
| 09:16.06 | Maldivia | well, that's because you set the scale in the onupdate |
| 09:16.34 | Miravlix | No |
| 09:16.41 | Miravlix | I don't set UIParents scale or any other windows |
| 09:16.55 | Maldivia | you're setting TTLibFrame's scale |
| 09:17.08 | Maldivia | UIParent:GetScale() == UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() |
| 09:17.20 | Maldivia | (or should be) |
| 09:17.28 | Miravlix | Why should it be? |
| 09:17.44 | Miravlix | You just said GetScale() == 1.0 and GetEffectiveScale() == 0.79 |
| 09:20.34 | Miravlix | Now on TTLibFrame GetScale is 0.79 and EffectiveScale = 0.63 |
| 09:21.10 | Miravlix | And that most likely explains my problem. |
| 09:23.09 | Miravlix | Now PartyQuestsFrame has Scale = 1.0 and Effective 0.79 |
| 09:23.33 | Miravlix | UIParent has 0.79, 0.79 and TTLibFrame has 0.79, 0.63 |
| 09:24.32 | Miravlix | And I have no fucking clue what the hell to use with that data, I can't set effective scale |
| 09:30.15 | Miravlix | Without setting scale my Window is placed correctly like all other UIPanelWindows, but it's way bigger even while they all have the same SetWidth and height |
| 09:30.46 | ckknight | http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv |
| 09:30.47 | ckknight | hehe |
| 09:31.07 | Miravlix | If I SetScale( parrent scale ) My Window move up and left compared to all the others, but it gets smaller. |
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| 09:32.42 | Maldivia | Miravlix: hmm, it's not "way" bigger then the mornals (at least not on my screen) |
| 09:33.34 | Miravlix | I've made the height shorter than a propper frames, they are 512 |
| 09:33.55 | Miravlix | I can't do visual % but isn't it 21% bigger? |
| 09:34.24 | Maldivia | remember, the frame sizes is not the same as the visual size... |
| 09:35.28 | Maldivia | I can create a frame that's 10x10, but add textures that make it look as if it's 300x300 |
| 09:35.30 | Miravlix | I'm talking about the frame being 21% bigger than PartyQuests, QuestLog, Friends, Character Sheet |
| 09:35.50 | Miravlix | Since my UI is scaled 21% |
| 09:36.30 | Maldivia | on my screen, using your code, the TLibframe and friendsframe scale equally, when changing UI Scale |
| 09:38.49 | Miravlix | It has to be 100% the size of the others |
| 09:39.03 | Miravlix | I've used the SAME sizes |
| 09:39.26 | Miravlix | I've used the same code, just one part XML and one with CreateFrame |
| 09:40.36 | Miravlix | Frame:SetHeight( 512 ) is always 512 |
| 09:40.47 | Miravlix | If all the UI is the same scale |
| 09:40.52 | Maldivia | yes... |
| 09:41.06 | Maldivia | but a frame is normally transparent, unless I draw something on top of it |
| 09:41.12 | Miravlix | GetHeight() returns 512 |
| 09:41.16 | Maldivia | and what I I choose to only draw won the top 300 pixels ? |
| 09:41.23 | Maldivia | it will look as if it's 300 pixels tall |
| 09:41.48 | Miravlix | Thats your choice, but whats that got to do with PartyQuests and FriendsFrame? |
| 09:42.09 | Miravlix | They don't have invisible borders bottom and right |
| 09:42.18 | Miravlix | And they aren't invisible to GetMouseFocus |
| 09:42.31 | Maldivia | yes they do! |
| 09:43.33 | Maldivia | Add the following, and see for yourself: http://wow.pastebin.com/748691 |
| 09:44.08 | Miravlix | No they don't or GetMouseFocus:GetName() wouldn't return world frame just off the frame |
| 09:44.24 | Maldivia | Miravlix: just add the code, and see for yourself |
| 09:44.41 | Miravlix | Even an invisible frame gets cought by GetMouseFocus() |
| 09:44.54 | Maldivia | just add the code, and see for yourself |
| 09:50.31 | Miravlix | I don't get it, GetMouseFocus:GetName() returns TTLibFrame if I turn off SetBackdrop |
| 09:50.43 | Miravlix | Why doesn't the other frames do the same? |
| 09:51.08 | Maldivia | because they specify HitRectInsets ? |
| 09:52.33 | Miravlix | Backdrop insets = HitRectInsets |
| 09:53.14 | Maldivia | no |
| 09:53.59 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 09:54.12 | Miravlix | Thats the programitaclly way to set HitRectInsets |
| 09:54.36 | Maldivia | frame:SetHitRectInserts(left, right, top, bottom) |
| 09:54.43 | Maldivia | added in 1.11 |
| 09:54.56 | Maldivia | -r |
| 09:55.03 | Miravlix | Backdrop is a pooling together of several things for convinience or something |
| 09:55.31 | Miravlix | It has frames, tile = true, titleSize, edgeSize and insets |
| 09:55.36 | Miravlix | thats all over in normal XML |
| 09:55.54 | Maldivia | no, that's all in the backdrop XML |
| 09:56.22 | Maldivia | the insets in backdrop, is the offset from the border, where ther background should start to be paintet |
| 09:57.21 | Maldivia | meaning if you have an edge, that's transparent on the outer side, and you set the insets to the width of the egde, you wont see the background on the other side of the egde, where it should be transparent |
| 09:59.02 | Miravlix | There is no SetHitRectInserts in 1.11 |
| 09:59.12 | Maldivia | Insets |
| 09:59.55 | Maldivia | and likewise, left,right,top,bottom = frame:GetHitRectInsets() |
| 10:01.05 | Miravlix | yeah you mispelled it and I took it verbatim. :p |
| 10:01.30 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.32 | Miravlix | Even while I 3 lines earlier spelled it right. *sighs* |
| 10:03.53 | Miravlix | Hmm, someone is plastering text all over my raid window |
| 10:04.23 | Miravlix | It shows the groups, but someone at Bliz forgot to remove the text that used to be there? |
| 10:05.18 | Miravlix | Hmmm, or is an addon doing something. It has things in doublets |
| 10:06.03 | Miravlix | Except for the bottom of the frame being off and a big chunk of the bottom left missing of the textures, it's almost like a normal frame now |
| 10:07.03 | Miravlix | Offcourse thats only on 1.11 since the code uses SetHitRectInsets |
| 10:07.34 | Maldivia | about the bottom left, check the path to the texture, I missed a \ in the pastebin code |
| 10:08.46 | Miravlix | I hate XMl |
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| 10:08.58 | Miravlix | Even when CreateFramed it makes no sense |
| 10:09.39 | Miravlix | SetHeight/Width is significant because it scales the textures? |
| 10:10.02 | Maldivia | on the textures? yes |
| 10:20.55 | Miravlix | I'm just resuing others design, but how does anyone manage to get heights, width and textures right so things actually look like they planned? |
| 10:22.28 | Miravlix | Cleanedup versionhttp://wow.pastebin.com/748754 |
| 10:22.36 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/748754 |
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| 10:40.49 | Syntax-error | Hey, im kinda new to modding, and ive been editing a friends old mod code so far, but basically so far i have a mod that logs when im killed and by who (pvp only) but ive used tutorials until now, now i want to display all the logged kills and i have no idea how |
| 10:41.00 | Syntax-error | Anyone know of a good tutorial on how id do this? |
| 10:45.46 | s|loup | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface |
| 10:46.15 | Syntax-error | ah cool, thats pretty much what ive been searching for |
| 10:49.50 | Miravlix | Hmm, I don't see a way to code a highlighttextures alphaMode="ADD" |
| 11:02.35 | Miravlix | Pure detective work to trace down inheritance to get all the object details. |
| 11:04.10 | Miravlix | But when it's done, CreateFrame codeing seems way easier than XML |
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| 11:07.06 | Miravlix | What takes 3K+ of lines in XML, I can recode in 100ish lines in lua |
| 11:10.57 | krka|work | really? can you give an example of that? |
| 11:11.03 | krka|work | i don't think the xml is overly bloated |
| 11:11.23 | krka|work | a factor 30 reduction seems like a lot |
| 11:11.45 | krka|work | or are you counting repetitions in xml that could be replaced with loops? |
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| 11:15.35 | Miravlix | A CloseButton is 22 lines of code |
| 11:15.37 | Miravlix | in XML |
| 11:15.59 | Miravlix | 9 lines of code in Lua |
| 11:16.17 | Miravlix | and it's 30030538975 times easier to write than having to place it and the right place in the right indentation |
| 11:17.05 | Miravlix | With VirtualFrames Libraries, it's 1 line of code in daily use. |
| 11:17.46 | krka|work | so... a factor 2 |
| 11:18.13 | Miravlix | Kind of |
| 11:18.28 | Miravlix | You forget all the overhead XML has due to it's structure. |
| 11:19.31 | krka|work | nopw |
| 11:19.37 | krka|work | that should give a factor 2 or 3 at most |
| 11:19.47 | Miravlix | So what? |
| 11:20.17 | krka|work | so nothing really |
| 11:21.15 | Miravlix | Offcourse my Lua version of that button doesn't work, but when it does. |
| 11:21.28 | Miravlix | I think it will remake how people code UI's |
| 11:22.22 | Miravlix | Hmm, it works, I just forget \\ in the textures |
| 11:24.01 | Miravlix | I think the real GUI artist will still use XML because it's just better |
| 11:24.11 | Miravlix | But for us re-users, lua is easier. |
| 11:25.12 | Miravlix | Beautiful. Almost done duplicating FriendsFrame |
| 11:25.59 | Miravlix | Lets see, there is 7 10 line sections left. |
| 11:27.42 | Miravlix | 79 lines of code written, so 150 lines of code (including empty lines for readability) |
| 11:28.15 | Miravlix | vs 3556 lines of XML |
| 11:28.33 | Miravlix | and thats excluding inheritance code |
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| 11:32.27 | Miravlix | 23 times |
| 11:35.31 | Miravlix | Not quite 30, but nowhere near your 2-3 |
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| 11:44.45 | Corrodias | Miravlix wins |
| 11:45.03 | Miravlix | It's not about winning, it's about the truth |
| 11:46.00 | Shouryuu | wins what? |
| 11:47.23 | Corrodias | the game |
| 11:47.26 | Shouryuu | god damn internet is going to be the death of me |
| 11:57.46 | krka|work | friendsframe in 150 lines of code? impressive |
| 11:59.19 | Maldivia | creating helper functions for a lot of the repeatable code, can really help shrink the code |
| 12:01.19 | Maldivia | for instance, make a CreateTexture(frame, name, file, width, height, anchor, relativeframe, relativeanchor, offsetx, offsety) function, instead of calling the same 6 lines of code, every tim you have to make a texture |
| 12:02.38 | Shouryuu | Where can I actually download Lua? I just want to get it on my computer so I can try my lua-only code without having to have the game |
| 12:02.49 | Maldivia | lua.org |
| 12:03.18 | Maldivia | for binaries: http://luabinaries.luaforge.net/ |
| 12:03.52 | Shouryuu | cool thanks :P |
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| 12:05.35 | Maldivia | ohh, never knew of the existance of frame:EnableDrawLayer(layer) and frame:DisableDrawLayer(layer) |
| 12:06.41 | Shouryuu | Ok they need to make an Install Lua for noobs (or Shouryuu) someplace |
| 12:07.38 | Maldivia | for windows: download http://luaforge.net/frs/download.php/1420/lua5_1_Win32_bin.tar.gz and extract the 4 files in it, to a directory of your choice |
| 12:07.48 | Miravlix | Untzip into C:\Program Files\Lua |
| 12:07.55 | Maldivia | could it be more simple ? |
| 12:08.08 | Miravlix | Add C:\Program Files\Lua\something\somewhere\bin to your path |
| 12:08.39 | Shouryuu | Well the install I got from lua.org spoke of builts and whatnot and trust me, that made as much sens to me as "Salut ma poule commet ca va?" does to you |
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| 12:10.39 | wereHamster | ckknight, ping |
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| 12:46.15 | Miravlix | People on PTR... Looking for experinced players for Naxx, uh dude, it's new stuff, no one has experince yet... |
| 12:46.26 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | :P |
| 12:46.49 | Maldivia | well, they are refering to raiding experince in general, not Naxx experience specificly |
| 12:47.03 | Maldivia | a lot of noobs have copied pre-made.. |
| 12:47.40 | Maldivia | and to have any success in Naxx, the entire raid needs to know their roles in a raid |
| 12:48.03 | s|loup | a druid is always a damagedealer ^^ |
| 12:48.17 | Maldivia | and not some pre-made "But I do more damage in beserker stance, so more aggro" |
| 12:48.53 | wereHamster | me.. pick me,.. ^^ |
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| 12:49.20 | Maldivia | I've met a 60 warrior, who didn't have defensive stance... |
| 12:49.48 | wereHamster | PTR or normal realms? |
| 12:49.52 | Maldivia | normal |
| 12:50.05 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | ouuucch |
| 12:50.08 | Maldivia | I ported out, when he said that |
| 12:50.30 | wereHamster | that's possible.. you don't get def.stance until ~level 20 or so.. |
| 12:52.21 | Maldivia | defensive stance is warrior level 10 |
| 12:52.45 | Maldivia | the lvl 10 quest for warriors |
| 12:53.04 | wereHamster | maybe he didn't make that quest ? |
| 12:53.25 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | You sure? I'm quite sure it's lvl 20... |
| 12:53.42 | Maldivia | well, my lvl 17 warrior has defensive stance |
| 12:53.44 | Maldivia | so... |
| 12:53.48 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ah :P |
| 12:54.23 | grimman | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5030518.stm << Moookay. |
| 12:54.41 | grimman | Also, /wave. |
| 13:09.14 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Rawr out |
| 13:27.53 | grimman | Does anyone get weird graphics on WoWi as of late? |
| 13:36.20 | Maldivia | define "weird" |
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| 13:55.11 | _B | define "define" |
| 13:59.47 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/weird.png |
| 14:10.05 | Wobin | should I points into Lightning Reflexes, or Malice? |
| 14:10.15 | Wobin | er, put more |
| 14:10.44 | grimman | Depends... dodge is bad for PVP. ;P |
| 14:11.05 | Wobin | True, I'm probably not going to pvp much |
| 14:11.08 | Wobin | I'm a hopeless pvper |
| 14:11.15 | Wobin | Not enough of the twitch tactics |
| 14:11.23 | Wobin | And my latency sucks =) |
| 14:15.58 | wereHamster | grimman, why? |
| 14:16.06 | krka|work | overpower |
| 14:17.03 | grimman | Yep. |
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| 15:11.16 | grimman | Mm, sweet silence. |
| 15:15.57 | Cricket | *chirps* |
| 15:17.32 | grimman | hehe |
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| 15:19.16 | grimman | /wave Miravlix |
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| 15:23.59 | grimman | And /wave Kirkburn |
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| 15:27.07 | grimman | /wave Iriel |
| 15:28.29 | Iriel | Morning |
| 15:30.03 | s|loup | hi |
| 15:30.10 | Gryphen | heya |
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| 15:56.16 | Kirkburn | That's odd, I don't recall hearing about this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Coilfang_Reservoir |
| 15:58.02 | MoonWolf | i do. |
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| 16:18.58 | Syntax-error | If i wanted to display a list of data in a frame, what object would i use to display it? ( im using UI Designer, all i can see is multiline editbox ) |
| 16:19.27 | Wobin | Perhaps a fontstring? |
| 16:19.42 | Wobin | depends on how static you want the display |
| 16:20.20 | Syntax-error | Thats the problem i thought with using labels, i would have to dynamically add them, because i have no idea how many items of data there will be |
| 16:20.50 | Syntax-error | i was hoping there would be an easier way |
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| 16:34.43 | Iriel | Do you need the text to be formatted? |
| 16:34.47 | Iriel | Or should I say, aligned? |
| 16:35.09 | Syntax-error | Yes, i think if i understand you correctly |
| 16:35.11 | Iriel | SimpleHTML can be handy for bulk data if you dont need complex alignment |
| 16:35.33 | Iriel | but if it's tabular data you're almost certainly going to end up with a matrix of FontStrings |
| 16:35.45 | Syntax-error | Well, its a list of players who have killed you ( pvp ) including information on them, |
| 16:36.30 | Syntax-error | problem is im just doing this as a favour to a friend, never used xml or lua before, althought im finding lua alot easier than i orgininally thought |
| 16:37.01 | Kirkburn | It starts as doing favours, then it turns into a full blown obsession ... |
| 16:37.27 | Kirkburn | :9 |
| 16:37.38 | Syntax-error | heh, i hope not lol, i already have to many languages half learnt |
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| 16:38.55 | Syntax-error | wow |
| 16:39.02 | Syntax-error | thats very useful :O |
| 16:44.49 | Kirkburn | netcurse, is CG having problems? |
| 16:45.41 | Kirkburn | I can't access any addon pages (blank addon frame) |
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| 16:46.27 | Kirkburn | nvm, works now |
| 16:46.30 | Kirkburn | hey Shouryuu|Sleepy |
| 16:46.36 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Hello |
| 16:46.49 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I've just flunked a math exams! Woooohooo |
| 16:46.54 | Kirkburn | Grats :P |
| 16:47.00 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 16:47.42 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | And a philosphy exam |
| 16:47.54 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | and I have a french and history exam to flunk tomorow, joy! |
| 16:48.03 | Kirkburn | woop |
| 16:49.28 | End | sounds like loads of fun |
| 16:49.34 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I have a promising week in front of me |
| 16:50.24 | Wobin | hrm, you know how with frame dragging, that the frame often lags behind the cursor? |
| 16:50.28 | Wobin | Is there any way to fix that? |
| 16:50.47 | Miravlix_ | I don't my computer delivery got pushed to the 9th, but I've been checking around others say the 17th before they get the part I'm missing. |
| 16:50.51 | Miravlix_ | I hate waiting |
| 16:51.56 | Miravlix_ | And now my computer has developed the, lets loss focus all the time sickness. |
| 16:52.11 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | " I have i gues su can say i have no addons" how can people think that this means something... |
| 16:52.19 | Kirkburn | (netcurse, I take back my 'it's fine', CG is still playing silly buggers with me) |
| 16:52.48 | Kirkburn | Do you know someone called Sue? |
| 16:52.56 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 16:52.59 | Kirkburn | Perhaps they could say :P |
| 16:54.43 | netcurse | hm |
| 16:54.45 | netcurse | it should be fine now _ |
| 16:55.19 | netcurse | What error you are having Kickburn ? |
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| 16:57.08 | Kirkburn | No error, I'm just getting blank addon pages |
| 16:57.45 | Kirkburn | I should clarify, I can normally get addon pages, but not the author control pages |
| 16:58.00 | netcurse | ok |
| 16:58.28 | Kirkburn | (i.e. Edit, Screenshots, Versions, Submit Addon) |
| 16:58.29 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:58.44 | Kirkburn | oh, no Screenshots just worked :P |
| 16:58.52 | netcurse | fixing it |
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| 16:59.32 | Kirkburn | Cool. Oh btw, is 11100 an option for file version? |
| 16:59.42 | Kirkburn | If not, can you add it? :) |
| 17:00.39 | netcurse | 11000? |
| 17:00.43 | netcurse | ah |
| 17:00.49 | netcurse | gonna add it |
| 17:01.05 | Kirkburn | thanks =) |
| 17:01.28 | netcurse | done kirk |
| 17:01.35 | Kirkburn | Cool, useful for test server betas, that |
| 17:02.46 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Anyone here know Patlabor? |
| 17:03.19 | Kirkburn | Pat Labor, didn't he live in Australia? :P |
| 17:03.44 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | ... |
| 17:03.53 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I just can't say anything can I... :D |
| 17:03.55 | Kirkburn | What is it then? |
| 17:04.01 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | An anime :P |
| 17:04.01 | Kirkburn | and, no :P |
| 17:04.07 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Fomr the guy who did Jin Roh |
| 17:04.15 | Kirkburn | zomg, I would never have guessed! |
| 17:04.49 | Kirkburn | Do you hear the words 'you' 'are' and 'obsessed' much? |
| 17:05.42 | Kirkburn | (I was gonna say 'predictable', but that'd be hypocritical =) |
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| 17:06.00 | Kirkburn | Are you watching it now or something? |
| 17:06.09 | Wobin | . o O ("Oi've got a luvverly bunch of coconuts...") |
| 17:06.12 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I'm not obsessed, just bored |
| 17:06.57 | Kirkburn | Down at an English fair, one evening I was there, when I heard a showman shouting underneath a flare.... |
| 17:07.35 | Kirkburn | He's a very camp showman, so it seems |
| 17:08.18 | Wobin | Well he has a wife who's the idol of his life |
| 17:08.23 | Wobin | unless that's Eric Idle |
| 17:08.28 | Kirkburn | Damn you! I was typing that! |
| 17:08.28 | Wobin | Which is entirely possible |
| 17:08.32 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:08.33 | Kirkburn | No, before his time |
| 17:08.45 | Kirkburn | I have no idea why it's attributed to Monty Python |
| 17:09.17 | Wobin | Perhaps they did the most entertaining version |
| 17:09.35 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_got_a_lovely_bunch_of_coconuts |
| 17:09.52 | Kirkburn | Nope, nothing to do with them |
| 17:10.43 | zenzio | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/External_combustion_engine |
| 17:10.59 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 17:11.22 | Kirkburn | Oooh, that's bad " In April of 1995, McVeigh tested it in his Oklahoma City laboratory" |
| 17:11.49 | zenzio | yeah, unfortunately there's always some bad lines on Uncyclopedia :-| |
| 17:11.56 | Wobin | here is recent notation that external combustion engine has become increasingly popular in countries during war because of its outstanding efficiency in combustion. It is widely used by Muslim teenagers in Paris. |
| 17:12.35 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 17:13.01 | Wobin | And what's ironic, is that I can access uncyclopedia, but not wikipedia =P |
| 17:13.09 | zenzio | O_o |
| 17:13.12 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 17:22.15 | Kirkburn | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/01000010_01101001_01101110_01100001_01110010_01111001 |
| 17:23.05 | End | kik |
| 17:23.45 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 17:24.22 | Kirkburn | :D http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster .... Bow down to his Noodly Appendage! |
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| 17:25.20 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 17:25.42 | Gryphen | never heard of uncyclopedia, whats the diff between it and wikipedia? |
| 17:25.49 | zenzio | it's a parody |
| 17:25.58 | Gryphen | ah |
| 17:27.24 | zenzio | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Norway |
| 17:28.07 | zenzio | "Between 1905 and 2078 Norway fought its War of "independence" against Sweden. The conflict is commonly known as Kjøttbullkriget in Sweden. |
| 17:28.23 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | "Norway is a part of Europe, but has twice tried to run away" lol |
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| 17:29.45 | Qzot | Buenath diath. |
| 17:29.59 | Iriel | Ah, I see you program in lithp |
| 17:30.16 | Qzot | No. Jutht thpeak with one. |
| 17:30.37 | Qzot | The habla ethpanol. |
| 17:31.29 | Kirkburn | "England is the only thing that has kept the hatred of the French alive, until the USA picked up the torch in 2003." |
| 17:32.13 | Tem_ | asdfasdfasdfasdf!@ |
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| 17:32.26 | Kirov | damn frenchies |
| 17:33.10 | Kirov | I wonder how many people from the UK drove through the tunnel just so they could stop in france and spit on the ground, then drive back. |
| 17:33.24 | Kirov | or, chunnel? what do they call it? |
| 17:35.44 | Kirkburn | "The two military units responsible for most British casualties is the United States Air Force and a crazy schizophrenic girl named Joan of Arc." |
| 17:36.04 | Kirkburn | Some do indeed say Chunnel, lazy people. |
| 17:36.11 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | "French tanks are specially engineered with 5 different gears. Four reverse and one forward, in case the enemy attacks from behind" lol |
| 17:36.42 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 17:36.53 | Kirkburn | Words the British Army does not understand: "No need to take cover, they're American helicopters" |
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| 17:37.19 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 17:37.28 | Qzot | Hmm. What does WGP (from wowi upload page) mean? |
| 17:37.30 | Tem | yay |
| 17:37.32 | Tem | got it |
| 17:37.39 | Tem | wowgurupatcher |
| 17:37.57 | Kirkburn | The map of Britain: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Badger_britain.png |
| 17:37.58 | Tem | you have to put extra toc entries |
| 17:38.11 | Qzot | Link to read up on it? |
| 17:38.17 | Iriel | You dont actually drive through the tunnel |
| 17:38.32 | Qzot | They train you not to. |
| 17:38.39 | Iriel | Ouch |
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| 17:39.19 | Qzot | Sorry. It's early. Pun filter not fully engaged. |
| 17:39.23 | Kirkburn | "In Britain food is often accompanied by drink. Drinks such as lager and snakebite are popular, although ale is more traditional and generally tastes less like urine. This leads to rampant drunkeness and many Britons have been known to fall over in the streets and spend the night on the tarmac in a pool of their own vomit." |
| 17:40.26 | Qzot | Anyone here drive a hunter or durid? |
| 17:40.46 | Kirkburn | ah, dear it's so funny |
| 17:40.50 | Kirkburn | Britain is mostly made up of Scotland. Coming into some money when its auntie died, Scotland has had some extra bits attached, including England, which it uses as a decoy so that American tourists will go and wander around England instead, talking too loudly. It is widely believed that Ireland broke free from Scotland during a particularly windy afternoon. Ireland them became lonely and developed a split personality, the poor dear now believes it i |
| 17:40.51 | Kirkburn | s 2 seperate countries. The rest of the world have chosen to play along in the hope it will wise up by itself. Wales is better than England, because they insist on speaking Welsh, mainly to annoy English people. However Wales is not as good as Scotland because Wales only has Tom Jones whereas Scotland has the Krankies. It is also the home of the worst wristwatch in the world, which make the Hells themselves cry out in agony when they are made to lo |
| 17:40.51 | Kirkburn | ok upon it. |
| 17:40.56 | MoonWolf | spam! |
| 17:41.01 | Kirkburn | yum |
| 17:41.09 | Iriel | Hunter |
| 17:42.03 | Qzot | Can I ask you to take ManHunt for a spin after Cairenn vets it? |
| 17:42.16 | Qzot | Or ... just look at the code. It's only about 30-40 lines. |
| 17:42.32 | Kirkburn | Lol, I love the definition of chavs |
| 17:42.42 | Kirkburn | "A splinter group of Mensa" |
| 17:43.38 | grimman | Qzot: I have a hunter. |
| 17:43.40 | Kirkburn | Y'know I sure they'll discover chavness is a disease, and they'll have to put the country in quarantine sometime |
| 17:44.14 | Kirkburn | grimman, somehow that doesn't surprise me :P |
| 17:44.23 | Qzot | Grimman: Then the same request applies. :D |
| 17:44.34 | Kirkburn | What does it do? |
| 17:44.34 | Wobin | Qzot: What's it do? |
| 17:44.52 | Kirkburn | Wobin: Stop copying me! |
| 17:44.53 | Qzot | I've been happy with ManHunt for private use for a couple months, but if there are gotchas, I'd like to know before many people start downloading. |
| 17:44.55 | grimman | What request? |
| 17:44.59 | Wobin | =P |
| 17:45.05 | grimman | Kirkburn: Well... you of all people should know. ;) |
| 17:45.10 | Qzot | Wobin: Don't copy Kirkburn, plze. |
| 17:45.15 | Iriel | This is where Qzot breaks into song, with the chorus being everyone chanting "What does it do" |
| 17:45.21 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 17:45.26 | grimman | hehe |
| 17:45.30 | Qzot | It'n nearly trivial... |
| 17:45.31 | Kirkburn | Qzot has been privately enjoying man hunting for a while, and shouts 'Gotcha' when he is successful? |
| 17:45.45 | Qzot | It makes the "dots" in the mini-map clickable for targeting. |
| 17:46.15 | Qzot | Minor side-effect, it tries to color-code the tooltip names that pop up. |
| 17:46.23 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:46.26 | Wobin | nifty sideeffect |
| 17:46.37 | Kirkburn | Colour-code how? |
| 17:46.45 | Kirkburn | Class? |
| 17:46.49 | Qzot | Green=your faction, red=enemy faction, purple=rare spawn |
| 17:47.22 | Qzot | Leaves most NPCs yellow. |
| 17:47.30 | Qzot | Green and red are only PCs. |
| 17:47.56 | grimman | Qzot: Already using an addon like that. |
| 17:47.59 | Qzot | And because of targeting limitations in the API, there are times when it won't try to color the names. |
| 17:48.02 | Kirkburn | Is there any way of telling a boss elite from a normal elite? |
| 17:48.16 | Qzot | Could be. I don't remember how I implemented. |
| 17:48.26 | Qzot | grimman: Where were you yesterday??? |
| 17:48.50 | grimman | Can't remember. |
| 17:48.55 | grimman | /getting beer |
| 17:48.59 | Qzot | grimman: You ought to have been here when I was asking if there was another existing mod that did this!! How dare you tell me after I've uploaded!!! |
| 17:49.16 | grimman | There are lots... |
| 17:49.29 | Qzot | Lol. Oh, well. |
| 17:49.40 | Qzot | It's all your fault. |
| 17:49.41 | grimman | TrackingInformation, I think, is the one I use. |
| 17:49.52 | Qzot | No, it's everyone elses fault. They should have known what you know. |
| 17:49.53 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:49.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge IceCold (i=Ice-Cold@bzq-88-153-42-48.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 17:49.59 | grimman | I used to use another one, but it was ~buggy. |
| 17:50.03 | IceCold | Hello all |
| 17:50.13 | IceCold | is this the place to talk about UI creation ? |
| 17:50.18 | ckknight | yea |
| 17:50.22 | IceCold | cool |
| 17:50.31 | IceCold | I was hoping someone could help me |
| 17:50.36 | IceCold | I've just started created the XML file |
| 17:50.50 | IceCold | I was able to create button and such |
| 17:51.01 | IceCold | but when I try to put it inside a frame, |
| 17:51.08 | IceCold | I see the frame, but no elements whatsoever |
| 17:51.32 | Kirkburn | "However Blizzard, the diabolical company that gave birth to the universe of warcraft, originally intended the game to be in first person view (hence, the catapults)it turned out quite different. Due to a programming bug that hasnt been fixed up to date the first person view is stuck somewhere in mid-air. They had to implement a little metal hand into the game, with no arm attached to it, with which the player can draw green squares on the terrain, |
| 17:51.32 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.06 | Kirkburn | Ahem, I ruined Icecold's entrance :P |
| 17:52.10 | IceCold | :/ |
| 17:52.11 | IceCold | lol |
| 17:52.21 | IceCold | so answer me as a compensation :P |
| 17:52.53 | Wobin | IceCold: Paste the code into a wow.pastebin.com page and drop the link here |
| 17:53.19 | Kirkburn | WoW UI desgigner might be of use to you ... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4222 |
| 17:53.33 | IceCold | omg I hoped there is something like this |
| 17:54.01 | IceCold | have no problem at all with XML and coding in general |
| 17:54.09 | IceCold | been programming since the age of 6 LOL |
| 17:54.17 | IceCold | but this - just drives me crazy lol |
| 17:55.57 | Wobin | WoW XML does that to us all =P |
| 17:56.57 | IceCold | LOL k, k |
| 17:57.04 | IceCold | their logic is - awkward |
| 17:57.14 | IceCold | using tags instead of attributes |
| 17:58.42 | IceCold | I work for iMesh company |
| 17:58.45 | IceCold | as a web programmer |
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| 17:58.51 | IceCold | and we use AJAX there |
| 17:58.58 | IceCold | AJAX = JAVASCRIPT+XML |
| 17:59.34 | ckknight | well, actually many people use JSON instead of XML |
| 17:59.50 | ckknight | and you need to have async stuff for it to be called AJAX |
| 18:00.48 | wereHamster | ckknight, hi.. |
| 18:00.55 | ckknight | hey wereHamster |
| 18:01.17 | wereHamster | does your BabbleLib has a function to 'reverse-lookup' a string? |
| 18:02.19 | ckknight | Deformat |
| 18:02.31 | ckknight | it's in BabbleLib-Core |
| 18:02.43 | ckknight | it just does the opposite of what string.format does |
| 18:03.58 | Tem | crap... userscripts.org is still down |
| 18:04.13 | IceCold | we use async :P |
| 18:04.18 | Tem | anyone here have the greasemonkey script I wrote to kill the OG bar on wowi? |
| 18:04.34 | IceCold | using XMLHTTP object |
| 18:04.42 | ckknight | yea |
| 18:04.55 | IceCold | mate, I've been doing it for the last 5 years :P |
| 18:04.56 | IceCold | lol |
| 18:05.03 | ckknight | I was just pointing out the irony of the AJAX buzzword |
| 18:05.04 | IceCold | sicking tired of this, actually ;) |
| 18:05.08 | IceCold | yeah |
| 18:05.18 | ckknight | in that many people use JSON instead of XML |
| 18:05.20 | Iriel | If it's the element/attribute thing that you're hung up on, just write some XSLT to convert between a format of your own and blizzard's format |
| 18:05.28 | ckknight | so the X just makes it sound cool |
| 18:05.39 | Iriel | I've coined the phrase SJAX here |
| 18:05.48 | IceCold | SJAX ? |
| 18:06.06 | Tain | Super Java and X-rays |
| 18:06.08 | wereHamster | ckknight, does Deformat("Flash Heal") return FLASH_HEAL ? |
| 18:06.13 | Tain | It's a website that can see what you're wearing. |
| 18:06.17 | ckknight | no, wereHamster |
| 18:06.19 | IceCold | LOL |
| 18:06.20 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ohhh sweer Tain |
| 18:06.22 | Iriel | Synchronous Javascript And XML |
| 18:06.24 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | *sweet |
| 18:06.26 | ckknight | that you use BabbleLib-Spell |
| 18:06.40 | ckknight | spell:ToEnglish("Flash Heal") == "FLASH_HEAL" |
| 18:06.41 | IceCold | AJAX is Asynchronous |
| 18:06.54 | IceCold | what good does async=false do ? |
| 18:07.09 | Tain | Well see, the knob goes to 11. |
| 18:07.12 | IceCold | Iriel, once I get the hang of WOW XML, I won't have to code XSL page for it :P |
| 18:07.21 | Iriel | But various data-driven structures can use everything else, just not needing the async part |
| 18:07.49 | IceCold | It's a matter of concept really |
| 18:07.58 | IceCold | whether you want it to be async or not |
| 18:08.10 | IceCold | for example, for intranet applications, It's better to use async=false |
| 18:08.14 | IceCold | rather than using AJAX |
| 18:08.26 | Iriel | yes, or for a certain class of internet applications |
| 18:08.33 | IceCold | yep |
| 18:08.37 | Iriel | where really your XML source is just to drive presentation, and there's no user interaction |
| 18:08.39 | Tain | That has more to do with what the application is, really nothing to do with whether it's internet or intranet. |
| 18:08.47 | IceCold | exactly |
| 18:08.51 | IceCold | low-budget xml transfer |
| 18:08.55 | IceCold | several bytes or so |
| 18:09.00 | IceCold | or offline presentation |
| 18:09.02 | Iriel | But if you haven't coded something in an asynchronous way, then I refer to it as SJAX |
| 18:09.23 | Tain | Yes but SJAX doesn't flow off the tongue. |
| 18:09.29 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 18:09.30 | Iriel | It's not supposed to |
| 18:09.34 | ckknight | Pat Sajax! |
| 18:09.37 | zenzio | depends on your language |
| 18:09.49 | Qzot | Would JSEX flow off the tongue better? |
| 18:09.55 | Tain | Maybe .. AAJAX. a-asyncronous |
| 18:10.02 | ckknight | everything with sex does, Qzot |
| 18:10.07 | Iriel | or NAJAX, that could work! |
| 18:10.14 | Iriel | (pronounced Nay-Jax) |
| 18:10.21 | Tain | That's got possibilities! |
| 18:10.42 | Iriel | off now, back later |
| 18:10.47 | IceCold | lol |
| 18:10.51 | IceCold | you guys are crazyyyyyy |
| 18:10.53 | Tain | Or maybe HIJAX - HIlghy-synchronous |
| 18:10.59 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 18:11.11 | IceCold | HillyBillySynch |
| 18:11.17 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hehe |
| 18:11.27 | Kirkburn | CARJAX - GTA coding |
| 18:11.38 | Tem | ~lart Kirkburn |
| 18:11.41 | ckknight | IceCold, just know that you can code UI stuff in Lua now, not just in XML |
| 18:11.52 | JoshBorke | golly gee willickers it's HOT! |
| 18:11.55 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | ~lart Kirkburn |
| 18:11.59 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Theree we go |
| 18:12.00 | IceCold | really ? |
| 18:12.05 | IceCold | create elements ? |
| 18:12.07 | ckknight | IceCold, ever use FuBar? |
| 18:12.07 | IceCold | nice :) |
| 18:12.15 | ckknight | it's like all done in lua |
| 18:12.16 | IceCold | but I rather tuse the way it's meant to be :P |
| 18:12.22 | Tain | Asynchronous Parrallel Performing Light-weight Engineered Java and XML. |
| 18:12.25 | ckknight | elements created when you need em |
| 18:12.26 | ckknight | not before |
| 18:12.27 | Tain | In otherwords.. APPLEJAX |
| 18:12.30 | Kirkburn | Aah, the squirrels are giving me thousands of little noogies! |
| 18:12.35 | IceCold | LOL |
| 18:12.37 | ckknight | thus being more efficient |
| 18:12.43 | JoshBorke | ( Tain ): lol |
| 18:12.53 | JoshBorke | this channel has gone bonkers in the heat |
| 18:12.58 | JoshBorke | or maybe it happened a long time ago... |
| 18:13.09 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | God it feels so good to see I'm' not the only loser god created :D |
| 18:13.22 | JoshBorke | is tain keeping you company? |
| 18:13.32 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Most of you are |
| 18:13.32 | Kirkburn | JAXSON5, Java and XML Super Organised Numbers v5 |
| 18:13.41 | Tain | Kirkburn wins. |
| 18:13.46 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Kirkburn Does a good job at it |
| 18:13.58 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | And I second that tain |
| 18:14.02 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 18:15.03 | Qzot | Caramel-Rendered Async Confection Killing the Eaters, Re-using Java And XML. |
| 18:15.36 | ckknight | lol, Qzot |
| 18:15.45 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:15.45 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:15.46 | Qzot | Mmm. |
| 18:19.02 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Argh I'm so bored... |
| 18:19.16 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I don't even want to do something uterly stupid to kill time... |
| 18:19.34 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Even learning the 100 first decimals of Pi doesn't sound enthralling... |
| 18:20.02 | Tain | I know 3 |
| 18:20.30 | Qzot | That's all the Indiana state legislature thought anyone should be required to know. :P |
| 18:21.01 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hehe |
| 18:21.02 | JoshBorke | i know the first 5! |
| 18:21.04 | JoshBorke | 3.14159 |
| 18:21.22 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I leanrt the 100 first ones, but knew for a couple of days, no more |
| 18:21.25 | Wobin | ~pi |
| 18:21.27 | purl | methinks pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 18:22.00 | Tain | Ah anything after 3.14 is just a nice exercise in math theory if you're not doing it for a living. |
| 18:22.27 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ugh maths... |
| 18:22.31 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Burn.. |
| 18:22.32 | Wobin | Shouryuu|Sleepy: Go buy or borrow Godel Escher Bach, the Eternal Golden Braid, and read it |
| 18:22.36 | Cide | I was bored once, so I learned first 100 during two hours |
| 18:22.41 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Same |
| 18:22.41 | Qzot | "In 1897 the Indiana House of Representatives unanimously passed a measure redefining the area of a circle and the value of pi. (House Bill no. 246, introduced by Rep. Taylor I. Record.) The bill died in the state Senate. |
| 18:22.42 | Cide | now I only remember 20 decimals |
| 18:22.44 | Tain | Go watch the movie Pi |
| 18:22.48 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ahhh |
| 18:22.50 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | that movie ROCKS |
| 18:22.55 | Cide | 3.14159265358979323879 |
| 18:22.59 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | And it isn't an anime! |
| 18:23.07 | Tain | hehe that movie was so crayz |
| 18:23.13 | Cide | noo, almost right |
| 18:23.13 | Qzot | Cide: ...23846 |
| 18:23.17 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hehe |
| 18:23.36 | Wobin | Was that the one where he clicks on the pi at the end and downloads a virus that kills everything? |
| 18:23.39 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Too bad the director only did two movie :( |
| 18:23.52 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Wobin No not quite |
| 18:24.12 | Wobin | There was some level of identity theft, wasn't there? |
| 18:24.22 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Nope |
| 18:24.32 | Wobin | Must have been a different movie |
| 18:24.34 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu|Sleepy, learn the words to I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts |
| 18:24.47 | Wobin | but really |
| 18:24.49 | Wobin | Go read GEB |
| 18:24.53 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | GEB? |
| 18:25.03 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.05 | Tain | Golden Efreeti Boots? |
| 18:25.12 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Almost tain |
| 18:25.23 | Wobin | You got the first letters right! |
| 18:25.30 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 18:25.48 | Wobin | It's by Douglas Hoefstader |
| 18:25.51 | Tain | Actually if you want to read a great fun math related book, Flatland by Edwin A. Abbot |
| 18:25.55 | Wobin | (not that I can spell his name right) |
| 18:26.39 | Wobin | but that book is the best book on computing or math theory I have ever read |
| 18:26.45 | Wobin | Best presented anyway |
| 18:26.55 | Tain | Oh Flatland is even online! |
| 18:26.57 | Tain | http://www.eldritchpress.org/eaa/FL.HTM |
| 18:27.15 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Lain it is then :P |
| 18:27.18 | Wobin | It's a bloody dense read, but if you have the time, it's well worth it |
| 18:36.55 | grimman | You guys familiar with The Pirate Bay? |
| 18:37.03 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | A bit |
| 18:37.19 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I know what it is |
| 18:37.21 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I don't use it |
| 18:37.30 | Elkano | I know what it used to be ;) |
| 18:37.55 | grimman | There was a police raid today on their servers. http://digi.no/bilde_bransje/1/52291.jpg << Graph showing bandwidth usage today after the servers were taken down. ;) |
| 18:38.24 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hahaha |
| 18:39.09 | grimman | And quite honestly I don't use it either. |
| 18:39.41 | grimman | 20% less bandwidth usage according to one Swedish newspaper. |
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| 18:46.09 | IceCold | Hello again lol |
| 18:46.16 | IceCold | got another question :P |
| 18:46.25 | IceCold | can LUA create outside connections ? |
| 18:46.34 | grimman | Not the one in WoW. |
| 18:46.40 | IceCold | oh shoot... |
| 18:46.45 | IceCold | so getting data - FILE ? |
| 18:47.00 | grimman | Hm? |
| 18:47.02 | Tem | does javascript have a foreach concept? |
| 18:47.17 | IceCold | yeah, think so |
| 18:47.26 | IceCold | for (var i in object) |
| 18:47.28 | IceCold | oh silly me |
| 18:47.29 | IceCold | my bad |
| 18:47.31 | IceCold | nope :S |
| 18:47.36 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.44 | IceCold | VBS has it |
| 18:47.51 | IceCold | you could use VBScript temporarily |
| 18:48.02 | grimman | "Unlike PHP there is no foreach-construct in JavaScript, only 'for'" |
| 18:48.38 | grimman | Actually there's a bit more to it. |
| 18:48.38 | grimman | http://forums.invisionpower.com/lofiversion/index.php/t168975.html |
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| 18:51.48 | Kirkburn | zomg, I'm releasing another ClearFont beta =P |
| 18:52.09 | MoonWolf | what changed ? |
| 18:52.22 | Kirkburn | It makes me sad that it's now twice the size of the previous versions :( |
| 18:52.42 | Kirkburn | From last beta, or release? |
| 18:52.43 | IceCold | with the UI Designer, is it possible to determine spacing from the left corner for editboxes ? |
| 18:52.51 | IceCold | the text starts way to the left |
| 18:54.33 | IceCold | ? |
| 18:55.03 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Dunno |
| 18:57.54 | IceCold | ok, got it :P |
| 18:58.07 | grimman | rofl @ more bandwidth graphs; |
| 18:58.08 | grimman | http://stats.autonomica.se/mrtg/sums/All.html |
| 18:58.24 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 18:59.19 | grimman | That dip and almost "immediate" return to normal makes me laugh. |
| 18:59.30 | IceCold | yeah |
| 18:59.40 | IceCold | can't imagine the server load onces it went up again :P |
| 19:00.00 | Kirkburn | MoonWolf, it's up on the 3 sites, take your pick to find the changelog :) |
| 19:00.04 | IceCold | what site is it ? |
| 19:00.06 | grimman | IceCold: It's still down. |
| 19:00.11 | MoonWolf | but im laaaaazyyyy |
| 19:00.25 | grimman | The site... The Pirate Bay. |
| 19:00.31 | grimman | Some Swedish torrent tracekr. |
| 19:00.32 | IceCold | down ? I see the Incoming Traffic |
| 19:00.33 | grimman | tracker* |
| 19:00.36 | MoonWolf | been raided and shut down. |
| 19:00.45 | grimman | These stats aren't for that site only. |
| 19:00.51 | Tain | Don't copy that floppy! |
| 19:00.58 | grimman | Afaik it's the Swedish bandwidth usage on some nodes. |
| 19:00.59 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hahaha |
| 19:01.13 | IceCold | I see.. |
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| 19:07.22 | Kirkburn | I think I used Pirate Bay yesterday :P |
| 19:09.23 | Tain | I love their logo. |
| 19:11.23 | Kirkburn | I only just realised what the logo is (ON THE FLAG) |
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| 19:11.28 | Tain | Yeah that |
| 19:11.46 | Kirkburn | er, on the sails, I mean |
| 19:11.48 | Tain | It's so awesome because it's a throwback. |
| 19:11.53 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 19:11.59 | Tain | To a simpler day of piracy! |
| 19:12.34 | Wobin | What is the logo? |
| 19:13.18 | Kirkburn | I can't reach thepiratebay.org any more :/ |
| 19:14.21 | Kirkburn | (wobin, that was a hint of where to find out :) |
| 19:15.19 | Wobin | not a particularly helpful hint if the site's down =P |
| 19:17.54 | Kirkburn | It wasn't about 5 mins ago! |
| 19:18.28 | Kirkburn | zomg, I did a google image search |
| 19:18.29 | Kirkburn | http://images.google.com/images?q=the%20pirate%20bay&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 19:19.13 | Tain | Man I don't know why I never think to check wikipedia for things, there's a whole page on it. |
| 19:19.21 | Kirkburn | mm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay |
| 19:21.38 | Tem | blah. I can't remember how I did this |
| 19:21.49 | Tem | 2 questions |
| 19:21.56 | Tem | 1: Anyone know what happened to userscripts.org? |
| 19:22.03 | Tem | I've been unable to access it for 2 days |
| 19:22.17 | Tem | (but I hadn't tried for several weeks before that) |
| 19:22.42 | Tem | 2: Anyone have the script I wrote to remove the OGaming bar from wowi? I can't remember how I did it |
| 19:23.56 | Kirkburn | 3: Where's Tem's head? He seems to have lost it |
| 19:24.05 | Tem | abuuuh? |
| 19:24.17 | Wobin | sleepy time |
| 19:24.19 | Tem | is there something silly I'm overlooking? |
| 19:24.39 | Kirkburn | Night Wobin |
| 19:24.48 | Kirkburn | Tem, I'm just being odd, let's just say that |
| 19:25.51 | Tem | lol, k |
| 19:27.58 | Tem | damnit! I know there was someone here that was using my script |
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| 19:28.42 | Tain | I never got to see it, just heard that it existed. |
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| 19:30.39 | Tain | Tem google cache does say: "We are very actively developing userscripts.org and something broke. Sorry!" |
| 19:30.42 | Tem | yeah |
| 19:30.52 | Tem | that's what I finaly found |
| 19:31.10 | Tem | oh well.. something to do I guess |
| 19:32.42 | Maldivia | hmm |
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| 19:34.38 | Maldivia | Tem, noticed they changed Elemental Precision ? |
| 19:34.43 | Tem | no |
| 19:34.47 | Tem | how did it change? |
| 19:34.59 | Maldivia | let me just recheck, what's actually current |
| 19:35.20 | Maldivia | or perhaps it's the same behavior, just a different wording |
| 19:35.40 | Tem | what's it say? |
| 19:36.29 | Maldivia | from "Increases chance to hit with Fire and Frost spells by 6%." to "Reduces the chance that the opponent can resist your Frost and Fire spells by 6%." |
| 19:37.21 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.32 | Tem | especially when you get binary spells involved |
| 19:38.28 | Maldivia | yeah, me too |
| 19:38.45 | Elkano | binary = evil ... so 9/10 spells may not hit you but the one that does kills you instant :/ |
| 19:38.54 | Maldivia | but basically, they changed it from a hit& to a spell penetration |
| 19:38.57 | Maldivia | hit% |
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| 19:39.44 | Maldivia | hmm, did they remove the "binary" tag on Frostbolt in 1.11 |
| 19:40.14 | Tem | Maldivia, wtb a dev chat where they sit down and explain spell resists to me |
| 19:42.29 | Maldivia | heh |
| 19:43.37 | Elkano | Tem: /signed |
| 19:45.03 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Gawd do I love Lain, such a cool series |
| 19:45.17 | haste | Shouryuu|Sleepy: I still have problems understanding it |
| 19:45.22 | Iriel | Hello, Navi. |
| 19:45.27 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Yeah same, second time watching it |
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| 19:45.32 | haste | it was like: Yes, I finally understand it! *watches e13* uhm... yeah... |
| 19:45.34 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Trying to grasp some more |
| 19:45.40 | Iriel | Wow, dolby! |
| 19:45.42 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 19:45.56 | Iriel | I didn't know you rubbed shoulders with us mere mortals 8-) |
| 19:46.23 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o dolby-wowi] by ChanServ |
| 19:47.06 | dolby-wowi | Hi yall :) |
| 19:47.06 | Elkano | ho dolby :) |
| 19:47.06 | dolby-wowi | working on a simple pjirc page |
| 19:47.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, i need to talk to gello :x |
| 19:48.21 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Someone needs to drag him in here some day |
| 19:49.15 | Tain | He has been in. Just not that much. |
| 19:49.29 | Elkano | ~seen gello |
| 19:49.43 | purl | gello <n=chatzill@pool-70-105-252-195.port.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 8d 2h 5m 8s ago, saying: 'global LFG won't be as bad on live servers. people will leave it when they're not LFG'. |
| 19:49.44 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Never seen him |
| 19:49.53 | dolby-wowi | I'm not installing an irc server... just installing a java script on the webpage |
| 19:50.03 | dolby-wowi | pjirc is a java irc client |
| 19:50.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to talk to him about adapt, i guess i can post it in his comments |
| 19:51.01 | Thrae | dolby-wowi: As long as you understand the security implications of not having the option for identd, go for it. |
| 19:51.03 | Iriel | yeah, we just had issues with jackasses coming here from the wowguru IRC applet |
| 19:51.18 | dolby-wowi | ahh |
| 19:51.25 | Iriel | Well, identd offers no real protection from anything, other than the CLIENT |
| 19:51.49 | Thrae | Well, identd + a hopefully real IP. |
| 19:52.35 | dolby-wowi | so how ya doing Iriel |
| 19:54.56 | dolby-wowi | Thrae the java client runs of the users computer, there are no security issues for the wowinterface server |
| 19:55.10 | dolby-wowi | err off |
| 19:55.32 | dolby-wowi | no different then running mirc really other then its java |
| 19:55.35 | Tem | yay. I got it |
| 19:55.52 | Iriel | I'm okay, vastly busy at work which steals most of my wow time, unfortunately. |
| 19:55.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, better than mirc, because you can't setup a simple spam script with most jIRC clients |
| 19:55.59 | Thrae | doly-wowi: The security issues are for Freenode and #wowi-lounge, not your server. Like Iriel said, people can be jerks and abuse it. |
| 19:56.02 | Iriel | On the bright side, my birthday present to myself showed up today |
| 19:56.34 | dolby-wowi | ohh what did ya get Iriel ? |
| 19:56.35 | Thrae | Unless it's the type of Java client that doesn't use its server's IP to login to IRC. |
| 19:56.40 | Maldivia | Thrae: running from their own computer => a host/ip that can be banned :) |
| 19:56.59 | Thrae | Maldivia: Some java apps use the server's info, like chat.efnet.info |
| 19:57.14 | Gryphen | pjirc doesnt |
| 19:57.16 | Maldivia | Thrae: well, then it's because they connect through a proxy on that server |
| 19:57.23 | Iriel | Something looking a little like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824187073 |
| 19:57.35 | Thrae | chat.efnet.info exists for places that don't allow IRC traffic, so it helps tunnel it. |
| 19:57.45 | Abenadi[FoF] | ooooh |
| 19:57.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | holy crap i want a plasma screen :[ |
| 19:57.59 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I second that Abenadi[FoF] |
| 19:58.05 | dolby-wowi | wow nice! |
| 19:58.19 | dolby-wowi | party at Iriel's house |
| 19:58.21 | Maldivia | Thrae: chat.efnet.info is not a java client, it's a WEB client, means they connect through a stream to the server |
| 19:58.22 | Thrae | Iriel: Eh, I'd wait for SED. It's coming soon! |
| 19:58.24 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 19:58.33 | Iriel | At present it's sitting on the floor waiting until I can convince someone to come over and help me lift it onto the mounts |
| 19:58.44 | Thrae | Oh, sorry, you already bought it |
| 19:58.56 | Thrae | Maldivia: Well then chat.efnet.info is a bad example, I've never actually gone there. |
| 19:59.00 | Iriel | Thrae : I'm happy to wait for 'the next big thing' to actually get here, and work, and be affordable |
| 19:59.20 | Maldivia | Thrae: it's a cgi script, probably a fork from CGI::IRC or similar packages |
| 19:59.35 | Thrae | Maldivia: That doesn't refute what I said earlier, anyway. |
| 19:59.36 | Iriel | I would've gone with LCD but they didn't impress me |
| 19:59.39 | dolby-wowi | nano tube looks cool too but I'm sure it will be very expensive |
| 20:00.06 | dolby-wowi | plasmas are really affordable now |
| 20:00.11 | Thrae | I like LCD myself for smaller screens, I have a 24" Widescreen LCD and that's big enough for me for now. When I get megabucks I'll go with SED, if it's out. |
| 20:00.13 | Maldivia | Thrae: just saying, web based chat uses server host, java based chat uses users own host |
| 20:00.24 | Thrae | Plasmas would burn my eyes out, I don't have enough room in the house. |
| 20:00.25 | Iriel | I love the resolution of LCD, I hate its inability to display shadow |
| 20:00.28 | Thrae | Maldivia: Not always. |
| 20:00.44 | Thrae | ...Sigh, be back later. |
| 20:00.47 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:01.35 | dolby-wowi | yeah most of the large LCD's have crushed blacks (no detail in the blacks) |
| 20:01.36 | Abenadi[FoF] | java based chat ... at least embedded in web have to be server host |
| 20:01.46 | Gryphen | they are quite different |
| 20:01.50 | Abenadi[FoF] | because making connections to other hosts is outside of the applet sandbox |
| 20:02.25 | Abenadi[FoF] | but yeah java clients that aren't embedded as applets fine |
| 20:02.28 | Iriel | The black thing has got to be solvable with some fairly basic signal processing, I cant decide if it's just laziness, or cheapness, or perhaps there's some complex sub-problem i'm not aware of |
| 20:03.22 | Abenadi[FoF] | I wrote a chat plugin in php for our guild's website |
| 20:03.45 | dolby-wowi | we have some broadcast quality lcd screens in our studio that show the blacks almost perfect but they cost an armand a leg |
| 20:04.14 | Abenadi[FoF] | but it uses secondary hidden frame refresh instead of httprequest cuz i'm a noob |
| 20:04.49 | Maldivia | Abenadi[FoF]: the right signing, or a popup request, and the applet has right to connect outside it's sandbox |
| 20:04.54 | dolby-wowi | wonder how well ajax with php would work for that Abenadi |
| 20:05.06 | Gryphen | well, there are quite a few out there |
| 20:05.47 | dolby-wowi | brb need to refresh |
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| 20:06.30 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | God why did that last episode be so omplicated... |
| 20:07.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | of what |
| 20:11.45 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Serial expirement Lain |
| 20:11.52 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | *experiment |
| 20:13.32 | Elkano | lain ftw <3 |
| 20:14.56 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Aye |
| 20:15.03 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | It's just hard to understand all of it :P |
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| 20:27.55 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Weee my first contribution to wikipedia :P |
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| 20:29.25 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Next on my list of TO-DO things: World Peace |
| 20:30.06 | Dolby-wowi | you should really set your self some larger goals |
| 20:31.18 | Qzot | grimman still here? |
| 20:31.35 | Qzot | ~grimman |
| 20:32.03 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Yeah, most people tell me I need more ambition... |
| 20:32.33 | Dolby-wowi | hehe |
| 20:33.56 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: 3rd on the list: create faster than light speed propultion? |
| 20:34.16 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Been there, done that |
| 20:34.41 | Maldivia | let me guess, Shell bought the patent, since it wasn't fossil fuel based ? :) |
| 20:34.48 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hehe |
| 20:35.25 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | OUCH http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5662098928894696234 |
| 20:35.28 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | 25k crits |
| 20:35.47 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Twice, on video with *lots* of buffs |
| 20:41.50 | _B | 25K lol one shot kill C'Thun TBH nerf plix etc. |
| 20:42.46 | Maldivia | it's 35 stacked stormstrike or such... |
| 20:43.20 | Kirkburn | The 2man BRD vid ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1266595909304145461 |
| 20:43.49 | Kirkburn | Dammit! I missed N|NmE! |
| 20:44.00 | Maldivia | 25x stormstrike, is +700% damage |
| 20:44.05 | Maldivia | 35x, that is |
| 20:44.14 | Kirkburn | (his was the C'thun pic I'd had linked on worldofwar) |
| 20:49.28 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Kirkburn Lol that's a nice vid |
| 20:51.14 | zenzio | http://www.gucomics.com/comics/gu_20060531.jpg |
| 20:51.17 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Warning to all you happy people out there: Life sucks |
| 20:51.28 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | And on that note, I shall leave you! |
| 20:51.30 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | night folks |
| 20:51.31 | Kirkburn | Byeee |
| 20:51.48 | Kirkburn | Yeehaw, managed to respond before he quit |
| 20:53.11 | Maldivia | ... but it was trap! |
| 20:53.57 | End | hmmm, seterrorhandler isn't documented on the wiki at all |
| 20:54.40 | End | (at least, I can't find it) |
| 20:54.47 | Kaso | Looks like you're evening is planned out then :> |
| 20:55.01 | Iriel | It's relatively new |
| 20:55.05 | Iriel | what do you want to know about it? |
| 20:55.11 | Iriel | it takes exactly one argument, which is a function |
| 20:55.17 | End | yeah, I know what it does |
| 20:55.19 | End | and how to use it |
| 20:55.30 | End | my original question was does lua have a equivilent |
| 20:55.46 | End | or is xpcall the closest? |
| 20:56.06 | End | I didn't find the answer, so I decided to see if the wiki documented it |
| 20:56.25 | Iriel | I think xpcall is the closest |
| 20:56.28 | End | okay |
| 20:56.48 | Iriel | In reality I believe the standard lua error handler is in the C layer |
| 20:56.57 | End | probably |
| 20:56.58 | Kirkburn | Lol, those two BRD runners, also run DM as a pair |
| 20:57.22 | End | but wow doesn't really have a standard output to write to (normally) |
| 20:57.40 | Iriel | right, thus the error handler implementation we get |
| 20:57.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge grimman (n=sco@h208n1fls35o916.telia.com) |
| 20:57.56 | Qzot | Wow. New mods on wowi get action quick. |
| 20:58.00 | Qzot | Iriel: |
| 20:58.10 | Qzot | Iriel: |
| 20:58.12 | grimman | Hm @ disconnect. |
| 20:58.15 | Qzot | Grr. |
| 20:58.23 | zenzio | I think Qzot is trying to tell us something |
| 20:58.34 | Qzot | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5020, if you're willing to take it for a spin, Iriel. |
| 20:58.56 | Iriel | I think I have some wow time pencilled in for, err, august? |
| 20:58.57 | Qzot | PuTTY has such a crappy UI. Or a crappy lack of one... |
| 20:59.05 | Qzot | :( |
| 20:59.19 | Iriel | (though, more seriously, i'll give it a try when I get a chance) |
| 20:59.32 | Qzot | Are you still on that tictactoe craze? |
| 20:59.38 | zenzio | don't diss PuTTY! |
| 20:59.42 | End | I like PuTTY, because it doesn't have a lot of ui :P |
| 21:00.00 | grimman | Btw, Qzot, does that addon of yours disable left click pinging? |
| 21:00.07 | Qzot | Cut-and-paste + PuTTY + Synergy = trouble. |
| 21:00.17 | _B | Erm Qzot there is a mod like that out already |
| 21:00.28 | _B | Which is a lot better for PvP Hunters |
| 21:00.28 | Qzot | grimman: Ooo. It can. Forgot to document. |
| 21:00.48 | _B | And it redirects ping to shift |
| 21:00.51 | _B | shift+click |
| 21:01.00 | grimman | What I want, and I'm too lazy to edit my current tracker assist, is to disable left click ping and disable selection on rightclick (thus only pinging on right click). |
| 21:01.02 | _B | It's called ICU or something |
| 21:01.04 | Qzot | _B: I'd like pointers. I'm quite happy to let ManHunt die a quiet death if there's something better. |
| 21:01.26 | _B | It's not neccessarily a case of being better, although for PvP Hunters, it is |
| 21:01.37 | _B | Includes health, PvP rank, etc. |
| 21:01.42 | _B | Oh yeah and class |
| 21:02.05 | _B | I use it to accelerate my Hunter imba ;3 |
| 21:02.25 | grimman | _B: ICU was... bad. |
| 21:02.39 | _B | It is not bad, it is functional, and I use the modified version anyway |
| 21:02.42 | grimman | At least I didn't like it at all, not the way things were arranged. |
| 21:03.37 | grimman | Anyway, I'll give ManHunt a shot later on. |
| 21:04.15 | _B | It doesn't look so nice, but really you only see it for a second whilst you need it |
| 21:04.43 | _B | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3233-1-icu-updated-no-pings-and-no-messages.html |
| 21:04.51 | Qzot | grimman: My priority concern is something that could mess someone up. |
| 21:04.53 | _B | That's the one I use |
| 21:05.10 | Qzot | grimman: Secondarily is functionality and possible enhancements. |
| 21:05.42 | _B | http://static.curse-gaming.com/mscreens/6595.jpg |
| 21:06.00 | _B | That list of players appears when you right click a group of targets on the minimap, obviously |
| 21:06.11 | _B | And they are arranged by distance from you |
| 21:06.28 | grimman | http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/1135300420screenshot2.jpg |
| 21:06.47 | grimman | I really don't need any more than that. |
| 21:07.46 | _B | It certainly looks less ugly since it is in a container |
| 21:07.55 | _B | And not so obtrusively big |
| 21:08.06 | Qzot | My current UI: click targets+pings, shift-click pings, control-click targets. |
| 21:08.32 | Qzot | Easily changed. |
| 21:08.46 | grimman | Good good. |
| 21:08.46 | _B | Why can't you just have right click target and left click ping |
| 21:09.09 | Qzot | Clarification: Easily changed my *me*, not by the end user. :P |
| 21:09.20 | Kirkburn | This raiding of piratebay ... it's somewhat strange, given that under Swedish law it is legal |
| 21:09.29 | Qzot | _B: I could easily do that. You think it's better? |
| 21:09.58 | _B | I think it would have been better if ICU did that ;p |
| 21:10.28 | Kirkburn | Even odder is that they needed *fifty* police officers to do the raid. |
| 21:10.32 | _B | But controls are somewhat trivial, as Humans we can learn to adapt to certain control configurations, how the information is presented is more important to me |
| 21:10.33 | grimman | Kirkburn: Indeed. |
| 21:10.39 | grimman | That's what they claim anyway. |
| 21:11.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaelten (n=Kaelten@68.63.3.183) |
| 21:11.21 | grimman | The biggest blunder is the fact that the police seized lots of other servers as well, including The Pirate Bureau, which is a completely legal site, and istheshit which you might have seen. |
| 21:11.44 | _B | What are you talking about now? |
| 21:11.49 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.09 | Kirkburn | Btw, this is the press release: http://www2.piratpartiet.se/nyheter/the_pirate_bay_and_piratbyran_taken_down_by_police |
| 21:12.14 | grimman | Kirkburn: But they raided a few different locations. |
| 21:12.15 | Kirkburn | _B, see that link :) |
| 21:12.15 | End | the pirate bay, a popular bittorent tracker index, got raided |
| 21:12.20 | End | that's what happened |
| 21:12.36 | Kirkburn | (One that has been deemed legal, might I add) |
| 21:13.39 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it included servers belonging to a political party |
| 21:13.57 | krka | no, that was on another computer, afaik |
| 21:14.05 | krka | the police took more servers than they needed, apparently |
| 21:14.14 | Kirkburn | Neowin: "Piratbyrån, a swedish pro-pirate lobby organisation, also got their servers taken, since they where located in the same server rack." |
| 21:14.55 | Kirkburn | It really does sound a bit like a botch job atm |
| 21:15.12 | krka | indede |
| 21:15.26 | krka | it will be interesting to see if anyone will face any consequences of it |
| 21:15.27 | grimman | The hosts had clearly labeled the racks though, so there was no reason to take additional ones. |
| 21:15.34 | Kirkburn | if it's possible to 'botch' a raid of a legal site (unless they were looking for something else) |
| 21:15.44 | krka | the police doing what a private organization tells it without any evidence? |
| 21:15.46 | krka | that's a big wtf |
| 21:16.03 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, and isohunt is also hvaing fun atm |
| 21:16.17 | grimman | krka: The talk is that they're doing it to get the case tried in court. |
| 21:16.33 | krka | that would be most interesting |
| 21:16.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mr_Rabies2|away (i=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:16.43 | Kirkburn | I thought they'd already had it proved legal? |
| 21:16.59 | grimman | Kirkburn: DON'T QUESTION HENRIK PONTÉN! |
| 21:17.06 | grimman | ;) |
| 21:17.08 | Kirkburn | uh, okay :) |
| 21:17.23 | grimman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Pont%C3%A9n |
| 21:17.49 | grimman | Also, rofl @ posted birth date. |
| 21:17.54 | Kirkburn | In a way, it's like sueing Google for crawling the web and finding 'bad' sites/images |
| 21:18.20 | End | well, Google has been sued before |
| 21:18.27 | krka | google with "cool new movie filetype:torrent" FTW! |
| 21:18.31 | Kirkburn | I know, and it it didn't work :) |
| 21:19.09 | Kirkburn | If the sites don't want stuff on the net, then don't make it openly accessible |
| 21:19.47 | Kirkburn | It's like sticking a confidential stamp on something then leaving it in a library |
| 21:20.13 | End | well... |
| 21:20.32 | End | in some cases, it was other sites hosting things people didn't want hosted, google indexing it, and then people going after google |
| 21:20.57 | Kirkburn | I know what you're talking about, the pron site |
| 21:23.02 | _B | lol, The Pirate Party |
| 21:23.07 | _B | Sweden is fucked up |
| 21:23.17 | grimman | /slap _B |
| 21:24.41 | Cairenn | kael|working, Dolby-wowi, Iriel - let me know when you are around, please? |
| 21:26.03 | kael|working | Cairenn, whats up? |
| 21:27.22 | Iriel | yes? |
| 21:29.23 | Kirkburn | lol, recognise any? http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5973/chucknorris1jv.jpg |
| 21:31.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge IceCold (i=Ice-Cold@bzq-88-153-42-48.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 21:31.34 | IceCold | lo again |
| 21:31.51 | grimman | *sigh* That guy again. |
| 21:31.52 | grimman | ;D |
| 21:31.57 | IceCold | lolll |
| 21:31.59 | IceCold | ok ok I'm out |
| 21:32.01 | IceCold | NOT ! |
| 21:32.02 | IceCold | :) |
| 21:32.04 | grimman | hehe |
| 21:32.27 | IceCold | anyone worked with WOW LUA before ? |
| 21:32.50 | zenzio | nope, you're the first one =) |
| 21:32.57 | IceCold | yeah right lol |
| 21:33.02 | IceCold | well, It's a wow ui forum LMAO |
| 21:33.04 | IceCold | silly me |
| 21:33.05 | krka | yeah, no one here knows anything about that tsuff |
| 21:33.07 | IceCold | could you help me ? ;) |
| 21:33.24 | IceCold | how and what is the best way to read a file content in LUA ? |
| 21:33.33 | IceCold | I need some kind of a database file |
| 21:33.40 | IceCold | something I can skim through |
| 21:33.59 | IceCold | didn't find any documentation about this |
| 21:34.05 | End | you can't read anything that isn't lua in some way or another |
| 21:34.06 | IceCold | and io doesn't work with wow lua :/ |
| 21:34.08 | End | in other words... |
| 21:34.15 | zenzio | only way to do it in WoW is savedvariables I think |
| 21:34.18 | End | you have to covert it to a lua table or whatever |
| 21:34.24 | IceCold | lua table ? |
| 21:34.30 | IceCold | what's that ? |
| 21:34.45 | IceCold | look I'm trying to create a WOW Solver |
| 21:34.45 | Kirkburn | It's made of wood, and you can put stuff on it |
| 21:34.50 | zenzio | try looking at other mods that use something like that |
| 21:34.54 | IceCold | LMAO |
| 21:34.57 | Thrae | "WOW Solver"? |
| 21:34.59 | End | my lua table has 4 legs |
| 21:35.02 | IceCold | you give a quest name - you get the solution |
| 21:35.11 | IceCold | coords, instructions |
| 21:35.15 | Kirkburn | Aww, I jealous End, mine has two |
| 21:35.15 | IceCold | guidance actually |
| 21:35.21 | IceCold | lmao |
| 21:35.22 | End | lol Kirkburn |
| 21:35.24 | IceCold | kidding me, I get it |
| 21:35.32 | IceCold | yeah why not |
| 21:35.37 | IceCold | kill the NOOB ! |
| 21:35.41 | IceCold | :P |
| 21:35.56 | grimman | Legs are so last century. |
| 21:35.59 | grimman | Mine has arms. |
| 21:36.01 | IceCold | lol |
| 21:36.05 | Thrae | IceCold: Take a look at MetaMap for an easy start to databases, then look at PeriodicTable for a more complex solution. |
| 21:36.07 | IceCold | I hear there are some ohvering ones :P |
| 21:36.24 | IceCold | any documentation on it ? |
| 21:36.29 | IceCold | or I just swim in deep water ? |
| 21:36.32 | Kirkburn | IceCold, have you been drinking strange coloured stuff again? |
| 21:36.37 | Thrae | IceCold: www.lua.org |
| 21:36.45 | MoonWolf | PT is pretty straight forward code |
| 21:36.45 | IceCold | what to look for ? |
| 21:36.47 | IceCold | lua tables ? |
| 21:37.08 | Thrae | MoonWolf: PT uses string compression, I doubt IceCold could grasp that |
| 21:37.11 | Kirkburn | Try ikea.com |
| 21:37.17 | IceCold | LOLL |
| 21:37.26 | MoonWolf | its hardly rocket sceince. |
| 21:37.30 | IceCold | I Am a programmer myself |
| 21:37.33 | Kirkburn | Nasa.com ? |
| 21:37.33 | Thrae | IceCold: Before you make WTFPWN addon, you need to go to www.lua.org and read up on what Lua IS and how to use it. |
| 21:37.38 | IceCold | just new to LUA, that's all :/ |
| 21:37.47 | grimman | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/10/giant-profanity/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/31/huge_word/ |
| 21:37.54 | Kirkburn | Yeah, read up on Lua |
| 21:38.01 | IceCold | k,k |
| 21:38.05 | MoonWolf | in that case ice: http://www.lua.org/pil <- Have a book |
| 21:38.12 | IceCold | never worked with lua before... |
| 21:38.12 | Kirkburn | (btw, it's not in caps, it's an actual name - I found out recently) |
| 21:38.27 | IceCold | ?? |
| 21:38.28 | IceCold | lua ? |
| 21:38.34 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 21:38.37 | End | yeah, lua is all lowercase |
| 21:38.40 | Kirkburn | It's not an acronym |
| 21:38.44 | End | well |
| 21:38.46 | Thrae | Yes, the word "Lua" is eskimo for "object oriented". |
| 21:38.53 | End | it's not all upper case at least :P |
| 21:38.56 | IceCold | lol |
| 21:38.58 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:39.36 | IceCold | lua tables are searchable ? |
| 21:39.48 | krka | what do you mean by searchable+ |
| 21:39.54 | Kirkburn | "It is the Portuguese name for the Moon." |
| 21:39.59 | Thrae | Is there any table that is not "searchable"? |
| 21:40.19 | Iriel | Lua table roughly equivalent to java HashMap (with some ArrayList features) |
| 21:40.24 | Kirkburn | I don't know where you got that eskimo thing from Thrae |
| 21:40.38 | IceCold | oh like a HashTable ? |
| 21:40.39 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Why do you keep believing everything I say? ;) |
| 21:40.46 | IceCold | hash["token"] = value |
| 21:40.57 | Iriel | I guess, though we use HashMap now 8-) HashTable's kind of old and nasty. |
| 21:41.03 | IceCold | lol |
| 21:41.12 | zenzio | Thrae: well, we were having a 100% utterly serious conversation! With tables and legs and stuff... nevermind |
| 21:41.13 | Maldivia | Hashtable... :) |
| 21:41.15 | Kirkburn | It probably actually means 'snow' :P |
| 21:41.23 | End | well, I see where Kirkburn got lua being the Portuguese name for the moon |
| 21:41.24 | IceCold | lol |
| 21:41.36 | Kirkburn | End, yes. Wikipedia. |
| 21:42.00 | Thrae | IceCold: Yeah, but you can also do table[1] = "value", and then it'll be an integer-index array. |
| 21:42.19 | IceCold | don't want it :P |
| 21:42.24 | IceCold | want it to act as a hash |
| 21:42.27 | IceCold | like |
| 21:42.32 | Kirkburn | Mmm, moon tables |
| 21:42.34 | IceCold | quests[quest_name] = solution |
| 21:42.39 | Kirkburn | Maybe they're made of cheese? |
| 21:42.55 | Maldivia | Iriel: why use HashMap over Hashtable ? |
| 21:43.14 | Thrae | Yeah, that's easy in Lua. Hashing is the key to a lot of cool functionality. |
| 21:43.57 | IceCold | my question is : can hash be saved ? |
| 21:44.00 | Thrae | Lua uses hashing for a lot of what it does, like table.leg == table["leg"] |
| 21:44.04 | Iriel | Maldivia : largely for consistency in code, with all of the *Map implementations. |
| 21:44.15 | Thrae | IceCold: Then you're using WoW's SavedVariables, look on www.wowwiki.com |
| 21:44.27 | IceCold | yeah already there |
| 21:44.33 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah ok, was just thinking, since HashMap is not synchronized, whereas Hashtable is |
| 21:44.36 | Iriel | Maldivia : And partly because I rarely need a synchronized table, so it's better to avoid the synchronizations when they're unnecessary. |
| 21:45.03 | IceCold | no way to open a connection to another site using WOW lua ? |
| 21:45.04 | Iriel | Maldivia (Generally a shared object would be synchronized on itself, or some other component, rather than expecting an owned map to be synchronized) |
| 21:45.06 | Thrae | IceCold: The Ace library provides a simplier way (in my opinion) to deal with saved variables for the programmer new to Lua. |
| 21:45.20 | Thrae | IceCold: No, anything like that is forbidden. |
| 21:45.26 | IceCold | :( too bad |
| 21:45.40 | Thrae | SavedVariables aren't even saved until a UI reload. |
| 21:45.56 | IceCold | they are saved when the game restarts ?? |
| 21:46.02 | IceCold | or UI reloaded ? |
| 21:46.04 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah, ok |
| 21:46.10 | IceCold | they are saved with the previous data ? |
| 21:46.10 | Kaso | both ice |
| 21:46.12 | End | well, unload would be a more accurate description |
| 21:46.18 | Kirkburn | Lol, great ... Penny Arcade as interpreted by japanese schoolkids ... http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/jesus/rainbow.jpg |
| 21:46.20 | Thrae | Yes, when you exit or enter the game, enter a new instance/zone, or do /console reloadui |
| 21:46.37 | IceCold | so If I want to release patches, like quests updates |
| 21:46.37 | IceCold | I have to release a new SavedVariables file ? |
| 21:47.05 | Thrae | IceCold: No, your table doesn't NEED to be in a SavedVariables file, only if you want the USER to be able to change it. |
| 21:47.13 | Maldivia | Iriel: must admit, when writing temporary code, I tend to use the Hash implementation, that my fingers type that day :) |
| 21:47.32 | IceCold | so how do I open an existing table ? |
| 21:47.33 | Iriel | Maldivia : HashMap is shorter than Hashtable too! |
| 21:47.42 | IceCold | I want it to be a readable file. |
| 21:47.45 | IceCold | is it possible ? |
| 21:47.57 | Maldivia | Iriel: the problem is, I usually end up writing HashTable, and then get a compiler error :) |
| 21:47.58 | Iriel | I used to have Hashtable as warning in my checkstyle rules, but sadly some of the JNDI stuff needs one. |
| 21:48.02 | Kirkburn | Wow, some kids have scary minds ... understand this? http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/jesus/asahara.jpg |
| 21:48.03 | Thrae | IceCold: table = { foo = "bar" } |
| 21:48.13 | Thrae | IceCold: Your table has been generated. There you go. |
| 21:48.25 | IceCold | but where is it ? physicaly ? |
| 21:48.27 | Thrae | IceCold: I strongly recommend reading www.lua.org ;) |
| 21:48.34 | IceCold | yeah lol |
| 21:48.37 | End | Kirkburn: o_O |
| 21:48.39 | IceCold | but they talk about the concept |
| 21:48.47 | Thrae | Lua doesn't let you access memory directly, at least not WoW's Lua engine. |
| 21:48.47 | Kirkburn | The original page: http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/ |
| 21:48.49 | IceCold | I want to know first, about the position |
| 21:48.54 | Iriel | Just remember WoW uses lua 5.0 and not 5.1 |
| 21:49.16 | Thrae | Lua is an interpretive language, it deals with all memory aspects for you except its own Garbage Collection system. |
| 21:49.16 | Iriel | everything you want to access in the WoW environment is in MEMORY |
| 21:49.17 | Maldivia | unfortunately... |
| 21:49.24 | Kirkburn | End ... I was a bit shocked :/ |
| 21:49.24 | IceCold | ohhhhh..... |
| 21:49.30 | Iriel | The closest you get to loading from disk is loading a load-on-demand addon |
| 21:49.32 | IceCold | so I have to create the table as part of the lua code.. |
| 21:49.33 | End | heh |
| 21:49.35 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:49.41 | IceCold | oh I see... |
| 21:49.48 | IceCold | AWW |
| 21:49.55 | IceCold | lots of quests - lots of memory |
| 21:49.56 | IceCold | :/ |
| 21:50.03 | Iriel | Well, you could encode them into a memory efficient form |
| 21:50.06 | Iriel | and then decode them on demand |
| 21:50.07 | Thrae | Iriel: It's in memory, but he can't access the addresses directly, that's what I meant. |
| 21:50.16 | krka | Thrae, interpretive? lua is compiled to bytecode, just like java is |
| 21:50.24 | Iriel | lua has some great table virtualization features (metatables) |
| 21:50.43 | Kirkburn | End, the best ones have * next to them, they're great! |
| 21:50.48 | IceCold | so you're talking about table optimization, right ? |
| 21:50.50 | Thrae | IceCold: Look at PeriodicTable then, it uses string compression and is very effecient with handling very large databases. |
| 21:51.00 | IceCold | any link ? |
| 21:51.02 | IceCold | don't have it |
| 21:51.10 | Thrae | IceCold: wowinterface.com |
| 21:51.28 | Thrae | krka: Sorry, meant runs off a VM. |
| 21:51.43 | Elkano | zomg, it's a pirate: http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4743/orcpirate5si.jpg ;) |
| 21:51.47 | krka | just like almost all languages today :) |
| 21:51.53 | krka | exceptions are c and c++ i guess |
| 21:52.03 | krka | and delphi/pascal/vb |
| 21:52.10 | Thrae | I guess C and C++ are just too perfect! |
| 21:52.22 | Maldivia | uhh uhh... asm! :) |
| 21:52.33 | End | Kirkburn: lol |
| 21:52.34 | Kirkburn | heh, Elkano ... my warlock has been running about in full dinner suit and pirate costume for the last month ... I love it :D |
| 21:52.39 | Thrae | Damn you're right, I should code my next addon in ASSEMBLY! |
| 21:52.52 | Thrae | Of course, hacking WoW to allow it. In ASSEMBLY! |
| 21:53.03 | Kirkburn | Wtf: http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/badgers/weather.jpg |
| 21:53.03 | krka | you could create a virtual machine _in_ lua that accepts assembler style code |
| 21:53.37 | krka | haha |
| 21:53.42 | krka | that's awesome |
| 21:54.01 | Kirkburn | http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/soda/magicdrug.jpg |
| 21:54.16 | Kirkburn | From the minds of children... |
| 21:55.16 | IceCold | another question |
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| 21:55.21 | IceCold | when loading 2 lua files |
| 21:55.33 | IceCold | both lua files can immediately interact with each other? |
| 21:55.36 | Iriel | locals in one aren't visible in the other |
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| 21:55.47 | Iriel | but the second can access globals from the first |
| 21:56.05 | Iriel | A good common practice is to introduce a single global variable for your code |
| 21:56.13 | Iriel | and that is a table that contains all of your other functions and data |
| 21:56.24 | Iriel | (SavedVariables must be their own separate global values) |
| 21:56.40 | Thrae | *goes to www.yukihime.com and gets blinded by light grey font on white background* GAH! |
| 21:56.50 | IceCold | suppose I want to create a code lua file |
| 21:56.53 | IceCold | and a DATA lua file |
| 21:57.05 | Iriel | That's likely easier to manage |
| 21:57.08 | IceCold | I don't need to use SavedVariables, because the files won't be editable |
| 21:57.17 | Maldivia | then make sure you load the data lua file first (order thery appear in the .toc file) |
| 21:57.28 | IceCold | oh ok |
| 21:57.31 | Iriel | Or make your data file register itself with your code, which is how I tend to do it |
| 21:57.33 | IceCold | so it "inherits" upwards ? |
| 21:57.47 | Iriel | there's no inheritance, stuff just happens in the order it happens |
| 21:57.53 | IceCold | lol k |
| 21:57.56 | Maldivia | global variables are... global, to all addons |
| 21:57.56 | Kaso | how do you stop the background downloader =/ |
| 21:57.59 | Iriel | lua is very very simple |
| 21:58.05 | IceCold | so the 3rd lua file can access upper 2 etc.. |
| 21:58.06 | Iriel | at the same time, it's got a huge amount of flexibility |
| 21:58.16 | Iriel | it's not a matter of files accessing other files |
| 21:58.34 | IceCold | I mean their variables/objects |
| 21:58.35 | Maldivia | 2nd file can also access global variables defined in the 3rd, but only after the 3rd file have initiated them |
| 21:58.35 | Iriel | it's that when the 3rd file runs, the previous 2 have done what they need to do, and hopefully left stuff in the environment |
| 21:59.23 | IceCold | so I need to make sure to initialize all of my variables in the correct order. |
| 21:59.28 | IceCold | like any programming language |
| 21:59.49 | IceCold | or I get nil right ? |
| 21:59.55 | krka | kinda like that, only exactly |
| 22:00.06 | IceCold | lol |
| 22:00.09 | wereHamster | Kaso, remane the executable |
| 22:00.25 | Kaso | cool, thanks |
| 22:01.04 | IceCold | Thanks a lot for your help guys |
| 22:01.06 | IceCold | you're the best :) |
| 22:01.20 | IceCold | I'm off to bed now :) |
| 22:01.23 | Cairenn | they do completely rock, don't they? |
| 22:01.42 | IceCold | yep they do :P |
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| 22:02.31 | krka | bed... good idea |
| 22:02.36 | krka | since i have to get up and work in 7h |
| 22:03.37 | Abenadi[FoF] | ummm OK I'm a complete UI noob and using WoW UI Designer for the first time. I have a form named "pcFrame" and a checkbox named "$parentVerbose". Can someone tell me the syntax to use in my LUA file to access that object's GetChecked() value? |
| 22:03.50 | Iriel | pcFrameVerbose |
| 22:04.04 | Thrae | OK, I can't believe this. |
| 22:04.08 | Iriel | Assuming that the checkbox is a child of the form |
| 22:04.14 | Abenadi[FoF] | so if I say $var = pcFrameVerbose.GetChecked() that will return true or false? |
| 22:04.15 | Thrae | There is no fishing addon called "MasterBaiter". |
| 22:05.26 | Maldivia | Abenadi[FoF]: var = pcFrameVerbose:GetChecked() |
| 22:05.33 | krka | and no localization addon called CunningLinguist |
| 22:05.33 | Iriel | well, it'll break because wow doesn't use $ in variable names |
| 22:05.37 | krka | what's your point? :) |
| 22:05.42 | Abenadi[FoF] | ah yes thank you Iriel that was a php slip |
| 22:05.54 | Iriel | Maldivia corrected you first 8-) |
| 22:06.11 | Abenadi[FoF] | well TY for your original response, and ty maldivia : ) |
| 22:06.19 | Thrae | krka: I wonder if that was the working title for "Lore" ;) |
| 22:06.21 | Maldivia | Abenadi[FoF]: note the colon instead of dot |
| 22:06.27 | Abenadi[FoF] | yes noted that also thank you |
| 22:08.11 | Maldivia | hmm... I should probably have optimised this program a bit more before I started running it... ohh well, I don't need the data until 10am tomorrow :) |
| 22:10.34 | grimman | Okay... I'm pretty sure I've found the height of nasty. |
| 22:10.36 | grimman | Beer + caviar. |
| 22:11.24 | Kaso | ^_- why would anyone do that? |
| 22:11.56 | grimman | I'm hungry and thirsty. |
| 22:12.01 | grimman | This is what I have to work with. |
| 22:12.40 | grimman | *cringe* |
| 22:12.44 | grimman | Kill me now. |
| 22:12.53 | Kaso | thats an odd combination to have as the only things left in the fridge |
| 22:13.14 | Iriel | have you considered the store as a possibility? |
| 22:13.37 | grimman | Iriel: Last one closed 15 minutes ago. |
| 22:13.46 | Iriel | they close? |
| 22:13.50 | Iriel | wow.. sucks to be you |
| 22:13.58 | grimman | If you live where I do then yes, they close. |
| 22:14.13 | grimman | But only because I'm the only one to remain awake at these hours. ;P |
| 22:14.30 | grimman | *cringe 2* |
| 22:14.40 | Iriel | Vending machines? |
| 22:14.48 | Iriel | those were always my fallback at 3am |
| 22:14.52 | grimman | Yeah, we had those back in the 90s. |
| 22:15.15 | grimman | However, I exploited them alot. |
| 22:15.36 | grimman | They accepted one coin type but treated it rather awkwardly. |
| 22:15.43 | grimman | Well... one among others. |
| 22:16.18 | grimman | Ten-crown coins, as they were, were accepted as such, and when used the machines gave even change back. That is, 2x five-crown coins + goods. |
| 22:16.25 | grimman | ^^ |
| 22:17.04 | Iriel | nice, reminds me of some rather stupid vending machines from the 80's |
| 22:17.16 | Iriel | one that would give seemingly random amounts of change back |
| 22:17.22 | grimman | hehe |
| 22:17.23 | End | hehe |
| 22:17.28 | grimman | Also, rofl @ Google. |
| 22:17.34 | Iriel | in fact, you could insert money and hit refund, and get more back than you put in |
| 22:17.35 | grimman | I search for "Skype". |
| 22:17.36 | grimman | Did you mean: sky ape |
| 22:17.48 | _B | King Kong with wings |
| 22:17.50 | grimman | Iriel: lol |
| 22:20.57 | grimman | ... @ Skype talk: Person 1: "What are you wearing?" -> Person 3: "A natural layer of cream." |
| 22:21.22 | Kirkburn | netcurse, I've just noticed that the top downloads (month) thing doesn't quite work how I expected. I thought it was for the last 30 days ... when it really does mean 'month'. i.e. it just reset |
| 22:21.40 | Kirkburn | Which is fair enough, but just seems slightly odd to me |
| 22:22.06 | Iriel | Plus it it diminishes your supremacy? |
| 22:22.25 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 22:23.07 | Iriel | supreme leader of font addons/ |
| 22:23.08 | Iriel | ? |
| 22:23.12 | grimman | ^^ |
| 22:23.17 | Kirkburn | =P |
| 22:23.41 | Kirkburn | I just hit 100,000 dls :P |
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| 22:24.07 | Iriel | but none this month? |
| 22:24.08 | Kirkburn | But I digress ... I can't work out what link I should use on CG, since it changes with the addon name |
| 22:24.30 | Kirkburn | Probably about 10 so far |
| 22:25.09 | Kirkburn | It was actually cos wowmodelviewer suddenly disappeared off the top downloads list |
| 22:27.28 | Kirkburn|Supreme | or maybe |
| 22:29.29 | Kaso | Supreme makes me thing you're going to start spouting aoe shadowbolts every second |
| 22:30.29 | Kirkburn|God | hehe |
| 22:30.34 | Iriel | Or that you come with sour cream and guacamale |
| 22:30.37 | Kirkburn|God | And invade Stormwind |
| 22:30.42 | Iriel | (spelled correctly, however) |
| 22:30.45 | Kirkburn|God | lol |
| 22:31.15 | Iriel | "I'll have 2 Kirkburn|Supremes to go please, and a medium coke" |
| 22:31.20 | Qzot | Hmm. Guacamole AoE. Sounds fantastic. |
| 22:31.42 | Kirkburn|God | Hmm, I think I'll kill some n00bs today |
| 22:32.23 | Kirkburn|God | I find it odd that I look like a tauren though ... seriously, Kazzak is like a demon tauren |
| 22:33.14 | Qzot | Q: Anyone know how to get reasonably-spaced bulleted lists in whatever faux-html editor wowi uses? I either get double-spacing or no bullets. |
| 22:34.13 | Kirkburn | You could use symbols instead? |
| 22:34.36 | Kirkburn | Look up the bullet characters using word or suchlike |
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| 22:36.29 | Tem | Qzot: |
| 22:36.34 | Tem | [list] |
| 22:36.41 | Tem | [*]bullet 1 |
| 22:36.48 | Tem | [*]Bullet2 |
| 22:36.54 | Qzot | Tnx, Tem. Will try. |
| 22:36.55 | Tem | ... |
| 22:36.57 | Tem | [/list] |
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| 22:38.03 | Qzot | Most excellent. Thank you. |
| 22:40.14 | _B | http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060222/sirlin_01.shtml# |
| 22:40.52 | netcurse | (Kirkburn actually the developer made it wrong :x |
| 22:40.57 | netcurse | o well it s reset now |
| 22:41.05 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 22:41.23 | Kirkburn | Genius! |
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| 22:43.26 | Kirkburn | Right, well I'm off now ... night night! |
| 23:03.33 | Tem | I wanna know what blizzard has changed about their patcher |
| 23:04.13 | Tem | I'm downloading the 1.0 -> 1.10.0 patch, and it's taking *very* little time |
| 23:04.22 | Tem | from behind a firewall! |
| 23:05.48 | Iriel | they did clean up some of the upstream clogging code |
| 23:05.57 | Iriel | I noticed I was getting 200K/s on a full path the other day |
| 23:06.19 | Tem | I'm impressed |
| 23:06.30 | Tem | it used to take 24h+ for me to download a content patch |
| 23:07.40 | Tem | I was really worried about how long it was going to take me to get back up to date since I don't think there are any 1.0->1.10.0 patchers available for download |
| 23:07.45 | Tem | Cide, you around? |
| 23:08.48 | Iriel | What did you do to your system? |
| 23:08.56 | Iriel | An upgrade, or just time to reinstall windows? |
| 23:11.20 | Tem | I had a pretty nasty infection |
| 23:11.40 | Tem | rather than spending the time to make sure it was all gone, I reformatted last night |
| 23:12.02 | Tem | I'm too paranoid to ever trust myself when I say "it's all gone" anyway |
| 23:13.40 | Tem | I'd very much like to upgrade, but all my finances are pointed at appartment rent and car insurance |
| 23:16.37 | Tem | I'm crazy glad that they made the "mini patches" only patch the files that were changed |
| 23:16.44 | Tem | hey Kaelten |
| 23:16.50 | Kaelten | heya tem |
| 23:19.51 | Tem | aww |
| 23:20.06 | Tem | there's no manual patch to go from 1.10.2 -> 0.11.0 |
| 23:21.12 | Gryphen | a backwards patch eh? |
| 23:21.16 | Gryphen | :) |
| 23:21.59 | Iriel | More like forwards-and-sideways |
| 23:24.33 | Cairenn | wheeee, Mother is putting on another show ... this makes 5 nights in a row |
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| 23:25.14 | Cairenn | I'm telling you, she puts on THE BEST light & sound productions you've EVER seen! |
| 23:25.59 | Cairenn | Mother Nature - Thunder & Lightening |
| 23:26.04 | Iriel | Ah, thanks. |
| 23:26.06 | Iriel | all makes sense now |
| 23:26.13 | Iriel | I do miss real thunderstorms |
| 23:26.24 | Cairenn | 5th night in a row, severe storm going through, no break in sight |
| 23:26.24 | Iriel | I dont miss 90% humidity |
| 23:26.35 | Cairenn | the humidity these days is unreal |
| 23:26.46 | Iriel | The midwest was that way |
| 23:26.53 | Cairenn | 31C with humidex in the mid 40s |
| 23:27.14 | Cairenn | so, of course, major storm every night |
| 23:27.16 | Tem | You guys don't know the meaning of Humidity |
| 23:27.27 | Kaelten | I do I do I do! |
| 23:27.29 | Kaelten | it sucks! |
| 23:27.36 | Tem | yes, Kaelten knows |
| 23:28.02 | Kaelten | heh, it got up to 106 F here on monday |
| 23:28.08 | Kaelten | the humidity made it worse |
| 23:28.09 | Iriel | I dont know, once you get to 90%+ does it really matter? |
| 23:28.11 | Tem | When you can walk outside with a peice of paper, and it is no longer paper because the humidity has turned it into paper-mache, you know what humidity is |
| 23:28.21 | Cairenn | that's okay, I managed to beat her ... got out and got the lawn mowed just between the time the temp dropped to be bearable and when the rain started ... |
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| 23:28.48 | Iriel | You'll get the boys all excited |
| 23:29.13 | Cairenn | spandex crop top, I'm beach legal, nothing to get excited over |
| 23:29.37 | Kirov | so, has anyone gotten a bug where your mouse cursor's graphic gets stuck (in windows, not wow), but you can still move your mouse around (because you can see it highlighting stuff it's being dragged over) |
| 23:29.47 | End | yes |
| 23:29.49 | Iriel | yes |
| 23:29.53 | Tem | aye |
| 23:29.55 | End | I forgot how it happened though and how I fixed it |
| 23:29.55 | Iriel | usually a graphics driver issue |
| 23:30.31 | Kirov | hmm... fun |
| 23:30.37 | Cairenn | guys ... to put it in terms you understand ... it was 91.4F with a humidex hitting 107.6 today |
| 23:30.48 | Cairenn | tell me again how I don't understand? |
| 23:32.25 | Tem | the temp means nearly nothing |
| 23:32.34 | Tem | it's all in the humidity |
| 23:33.17 | Kaelten | it doesn't like you tem |
| 23:33.23 | Tem | clearly |
| 23:33.25 | Cairenn | yeah, and the humidity drove the temp up 18 degrees ... |
| 23:33.33 | Cairenn | as I said, tell me again how I don't understand? |
| 23:33.41 | Qzot | Cairenn: Just curious. Were you the one to vet ManHunt, or someone else? |
| 23:33.45 | Iriel | Cairenn : I dont think we have the 'humidex' thing here, at least I never heard it mentioned |
| 23:33.58 | Iriel | Cairenn : What's the Relative Humidity equivalent? |
| 23:34.15 | Tem | Iriel, it's "what it feels like" after you take into account Humidity |
| 23:34.21 | Iriel | I know what it means |
| 23:34.23 | Tem | iirc |
| 23:34.32 | Qzot | Iriel: It's like wind chill. Completely bogus. But it allows people in different regions to complain that their weather is really the worst according to one crackpot theory or another. :D |
| 23:34.44 | grimman | Prrrrr @ Kirk leaving. |
| 23:34.47 | grimman | I need a font. ;( |
| 23:34.58 | Cairenn | the relative humidity right now is 66% |
| 23:34.58 | Qzot | Font of Wisdom? |
| 23:35.06 | Iriel | But I'm fairly sure that cair's nasty weather is similar to yours, I just wanted everyone to use the same units. |
| 23:35.10 | Cairenn | and it's pouring rain |
| 23:35.33 | Tem | I like rain |
| 23:35.35 | Iriel | rain is good, cools things down |
| 23:35.47 | Tem | as long as it rains long enough to cool off the ground |
| 23:35.49 | Cairenn | except it hasn't been |
| 23:35.58 | Tem | so it doesn't just create a sauna |
| 23:35.58 | Cairenn | hence the fact this is the 5th day in a row |
| 23:36.12 | Tem | something tells me I spelled that wrong |
| 23:36.35 | Qzot | Nope. You were only wrong in thinking it was mispelled. |
| 23:37.23 | Cairenn | Qzot: ummmm, don't remember? |
| 23:37.33 | Cairenn | I don't think I did |
| 23:37.53 | Qzot | k. As I said, just curious. I uploaded today, and it's available now. |
| 23:38.12 | Iriel | It was approved by the time I looked for it |
| 23:38.22 | Iriel | I thought that would have been a cair doing |
| 23:38.25 | Qzot | What do you guys check for? Just that it only contains tocs, xmls, and luas? |
| 23:38.43 | Qzot | Or do you actually paw through the code? |
| 23:38.52 | Crispix | AAAAGH -_- |
| 23:38.54 | Cairenn | virus scan etc |
| 23:39.03 | Crispix | Can someone please help me? |
| 23:39.08 | Cairenn | also, what the purpose of the mod is ... making sure it isn't just crap |
| 23:39.10 | Iriel | there's checking for the intent of the addon, as well as whether the zip file seems size-appropriate for the reported purpose. |
| 23:39.19 | Iriel | Only rarely do I look at code |
| 23:39.29 | Qzot | Aha. So if I put in a backdoor to let me mind-control PvP opponents, that would pass right through? |
| 23:39.39 | Iriel | Yes, until someone complained. |
| 23:39.47 | Qzot | hehe |
| 23:39.49 | Iriel | Though maybe knowing it came from you, i'd check, just to be sure 8-) |
| 23:39.54 | Qzot | :D |
| 23:40.09 | Iriel | Mind you, i'm on your side |
| 23:40.09 | Cairenn | then it'd be pulled and you'd be banned from our sites |
| 23:40.11 | Iriel | so hell 8-) |
| 23:40.38 | Qzot | Tbh, I actually do have such code, that I've released, but only to friends helping me debug. It was just easier to be able to type Lua at them to change parameters. |
| 23:40.58 | Qzot | Would never release to a site. |
| 23:42.10 | Qzot | To be on the safe side, if you ever hear me talk of releasing CantYouSeeImBusy, bonk me with a clue-by-four and make sure I've gutted that code. |
| 23:44.39 | Qzot | Cairenn: I'm asking wowi hunters and durids to try out http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5020-PlayOn_ManHunt.html |
| 23:44.51 | Qzot | Especially looking for gotchas. |
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| 23:46.07 | Iriel | I find the widespread adoption of 'durids' within the TN community amusing |
| 23:47.01 | Tem | Qzot, what's in CantYouSeeImBusy's code? |
| 23:47.02 | Cairenn | at least it's not drids or dr00ds or ... |
| 23:47.12 | Tem | d0rf |
| 23:47.13 | Cairenn | Qzot: just installed |
| 23:47.26 | Qzot | Tem: The main purpose of it? Or the objectionable part? |
| 23:48.01 | Tem | both? |
| 23:48.12 | Qzot | Main purpose: I was running an experiment with Parc sociologists about "giving off" information as well as "giving" out information in an MMO. |
| 23:48.45 | Tem | in what way? |
| 23:48.51 | Qzot | So we have a kludge that puts out emotes when you open and close your bags, or your map, or do other things that might be obscuring the players ability to see the world. |
| 23:49.22 | Qzot | So ... if you're running a 5-man instance, and someone says, "Can you share that quest?"... |
| 23:50.00 | Qzot | ...and you see an emote that Frufre starts examining their quest log, you have a good idea that Frufre is already sharing it, and that you probably don't need to. |
| 23:51.12 | Thrae | Qzot: Two mods that come to mind are RoleplayHelper and the old Ace mod Macromatic (later of which is DIY). |
| 23:51.17 | Qzot | Objectionable part: Because I was playing with different parameters, and working with 5 different players, I put in a backdoor, so that any chat message from a certain character, with certain format, would be executed on everyone's machine that received it. Wide open hole, but made tweaking easy. |
| 23:51.43 | Qzot | Thrae: Tnx. But we finished the experiment months ago. |
| 23:52.17 | Thrae | I love RoleplayHelper, even if I need to clean up its code ;) It's so fun to see my character automatically say stuff like "Good day to you, <insert NPC name here>" when opening a NPC dialog box. |
| 23:52.22 | Cairenn | Qzot ... interesting reporting if something is out of range |
| 23:52.31 | Thrae | Qzot: I'm looking at it from a roleplaying perspective. |
| 23:52.35 | Tem | yeah, I've hthought of doing that serveral times to make testing easier with my guildmates |
| 23:53.12 | Tem | and the thought of making some of the bigger headed members of my guild say things they never would on their own amuses me |
| 23:53.32 | Cairenn | Qzot: " 19:51:25: ManHunt11000.1: Bloodhornz is out of range. " <== intended that way? |
| 23:53.37 | Qzot | I must admit that I yielded to temptation. Another reason to ban backdoors. |
| 23:53.53 | Thrae | WoWVNC ;) |
| 23:53.55 | Iriel | with loadstring and setfenv you can implement a fairly safe version in which the only damage misuse can cause is to the addon it's embedded into |
| 23:53.55 | Qzot | Cairenn: Nope. Weird. I'll check. |
| 23:54.50 | Qzot | Cairenn: I take that back. It is intended. Weird. |
| 23:54.56 | Qzot | Did you get it more than once? |
| 23:55.03 | Cairenn | nope, just the once |
| 23:55.12 | Thrae | Hmmm. Does anyone have any opinions on WoW UI Designer? |
| 23:55.15 | Cairenn | well, when I clicked on the minimap |
| 23:55.24 | Qzot | Was he still there afterward? |
| 23:55.33 | Cairenn | no, he was moving away at the time |
| 23:56.01 | Qzot | That message occurs when you click, and the server is not able to TargetByName(), so it gives that message and restores your original target. |
| 23:56.24 | Cairenn | was just making sure it was an intended result |
| 23:56.59 | Qzot | Hmm. Think the message could be clearer? Or eliminated? |
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| 23:57.11 | Iriel | maybe 'has moved out of range' ? |
| 23:57.18 | Qzot | Yeah. |
| 23:57.37 | Cairenn | I don't think there's anything wrong with it as stands |
| 23:57.57 | Thrae | Is there a clean library for making an addon's settings window(s)? |
| 23:58.05 | Qzot | Changed alreday in my version. Will upload with next release. |
| 23:58.26 | Iriel | Hm, you could try Khaos, I supposer |
| 23:58.33 | Iriel | s/r$// |
| 23:58.52 | Thrae | This is an Ace addon. The combination of Ace and Khaos would cause a rift in the time-space continuim ;) |
| 23:58.59 | Iriel | ah, yes |
| 23:59.09 | Qzot | And end the universe as we know it. |
| 23:59.09 | Iriel | though it may be worth doing for that reason alone |
| 23:59.19 | Cairenn | Qzot: Although I'm not sure you need the whole bit, is all ... time stamp, mod name AND version number as well as the actual message ... seems overkill to me ... why not just the message itself? |
| 23:59.20 | Thrae | Haha. |
| 23:59.46 | Qzot | Lol. Force of habit. |
| 23:59.58 | Thrae | Seriously, I'm surprised no one has made a simple library for addon settings. There are a lot of addons out there that don't much much in way of a GUI, but should at least have a GUI for settings. |
