| 00:00.53 | Qzot | Yeah. That's what it should have returned. |
| 00:00.54 | Qzot | Interesting, some of the intermediate values are nil. |
| 00:00.54 | Qzot | So be careful if you use ipairs to create an iterator. You can miss some values that way. |
| 00:00.58 | Qzot | Nope. I'm wrong. |
| 00:01.36 | Qzot | No intermediate values are nil. It's just that when I use the saved variables mechanism to get a bird's eye view, that code lists some entries as nil if they are unnamed. |
| 00:15.32 | Iriel | GetChildren is always frames, never textures and fontstrings |
| 00:15.44 | Iriel | GetRegions is textures and fontstrings |
| 00:20.03 | Qzot | GetChildren is returning Models, among other things. |
| 00:20.14 | Iriel | Models are Frames |
| 00:20.34 | Qzot | Oh. Those are Frames. NM. |
| 00:21.02 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API_New |
| 00:27.24 | Kirkburn | zomg, IE7 hates me and the wiki |
| 00:29.11 | Qzot | Iriel: Using pcall(TargetByName, name) didn't prevent the "Unknown Entity" error from being flashed onscreen. |
| 00:30.45 | End | how do you get unknown entity anyways? |
| 00:30.45 | Kirkburn | Heh, this is a great advert! http://www.swansea-res.org.uk/video_download/tango_swansea_L.mov |
| 00:31.09 | End | isn't it normally unknown unit? |
| 00:31.25 | Qzot | Probably. |
| 00:32.00 | End | hmm |
| 00:32.10 | End | maybe, the client knows they exist, but can't target them due to distance or something |
| 00:33.40 | Iriel | Qzot: Does Unknown Entity happen if you have all addons disabled? |
| 00:33.41 | Qzot | Don't know. But I suspect so. |
| 00:33.41 | Iriel | Unknown Entity means the client knows about the object, but doesn't know what it's called yet because it's not been received from the server |
| 00:33.41 | Qzot | Because one case where I get it is outside UC, and click on the town arrow pointing to Brill. |
| 00:35.19 | Qzot | s/Unknown Entity/Unknown Unit/ |
| 00:35.35 | Qzot | "Unknown Unit" is the error. |
| 00:35.41 | End | oooh |
| 00:35.43 | End | well |
| 00:35.47 | End | that makes sense |
| 00:35.51 | Qzot | I suspect the TargetByName is all happening client-side. |
| 00:35.56 | End | no unit is named Brill |
| 00:36.03 | Qzot | Yes, exactly. |
| 00:36.45 | Iriel | That sounds more like you using "TargetUnit" instead of "TargetByName" |
| 00:36.57 | Qzot | Nope. TargetByName. |
| 00:37.08 | Iriel | Possibly your problem may be doing TargetUnit(X"target") without checking UnitExists(X) first |
| 00:37.23 | Qzot | I'm reading the tooltip when the mouse is over the minimap. |
| 00:37.37 | End | TargetByName does give Unknown Unit |
| 00:38.13 | Iriel | Really? has it always done that? |
| 00:38.29 | End | I dunno |
| 00:38.42 | End | but I can verify because that's what it is giving me right now |
| 00:39.32 | Qzot | So, two possible approaches: (1) When the tooltip is active, make sure the mouse is not hovering over one of the minimap's children; (2) catch and suppress the "Unknown Unit" displayed message, when calling TargetByName doesn't end up targeting who I expected. |
| 00:40.38 | Iriel | The million dollar question is, does TargetUnit fire that event immediately, or delay it until later? |
| 00:40.59 | End | that's what I was wondering |
| 00:41.22 | Qzot | That needs to be checked. My guess is that this is all client-side, because the client already knows about all targetable units without server intervention. |
| 00:41.39 | Qzot | But even all client-side, it could be firing the event. |
| 00:41.42 | Iriel | It's absolutely all client side, the question is how |
| 00:42.05 | End | it writes to UIErrorsFrame, right? |
| 00:42.29 | Qzot | Ah. That's what I wanted to know. |
| 00:42.37 | End | ok |
| 00:42.39 | Iriel | It WILL be firing an event |
| 00:42.41 | End | it sends the event immediately |
| 00:42.50 | Qzot | And then the question is whether it's all userdata, or whether some of the methods are hookable. |
| 00:42.56 | End | wait |
| 00:42.58 | End | I think |
| 00:43.20 | End | yeah |
| 00:43.23 | End | immediately |
| 00:43.38 | Qzot | Because if it's hookable, it would be trivial to permanently hook, and suppress during these certain calls to TargetByName. |
| 00:43.40 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.57 | End | I wasn't sure which way UIErrorsFrame was scrolling the messages at first :P |
| 00:44.11 | End | but Unknown Unit appears between AB and DE |
| 00:45.19 | Qzot | Not on my system, it doesn't. |
| 00:45.29 | End | o_O |
| 00:45.37 | Qzot | The message doesn't show at all. |
| 00:45.46 | End | which message? |
| 00:45.46 | Qzot | I just get the AB DE |
| 00:45.52 | End | huh |
| 00:46.06 | End | try brill :P |
| 00:46.12 | End | instead of ZZZ |
| 00:46.54 | Qzot | Same. |
| 00:47.03 | End | odd |
| 00:47.16 | Qzot | Btw, replaced "+" with ";" |
| 00:47.19 | End | you said the brill minimap arrow was stuffing you up, right? |
| 00:47.50 | End | er, what + |
| 00:47.59 | End | does your irc client wrap with plus signs? |
| 00:48.08 | Kirkburn | Exceptions for every location would be, uh, bad |
| 00:48.35 | End | well, ZZZ just happened to be a non-existant unit for me to test with |
| 00:48.45 | Kirkburn | heh ... the API section of the wiki is too well written! I can't find anything to edit! :( |
| 00:49.19 | Iriel | Then ADD! |
| 00:49.22 | Iriel | We have plenty of holes |
| 00:49.39 | Kirkburn | O_o .... quite |
| 00:49.55 | End | add seterrorhandler and geterrorhandler if you get desperate |
| 00:50.07 | End | last I checked, they weren't even in the API page |
| 00:50.17 | MentalPower | yeah, I noticed that too |
| 00:50.22 | Iriel | Probably not, I fell behind |
| 00:50.23 | Iriel | sorry |
| 00:50.25 | MentalPower | debugstack() isin't there either |
| 00:50.42 | End | debugstack() -is- there |
| 00:50.44 | Iriel | I've managed to keep up with the API page |
| 00:51.10 | Kirkburn | I'd add, but I need to find out more about it first :) |
| 00:51.20 | End | 1.10 changes thread |
| 00:51.34 | End | and BasicControls.xml in the blizz FrameXML |
| 00:51.39 | Qzot | Aha. There I got it. Can't have already tried to target it Brill since reloadui. |
| 00:52.18 | Qzot | Time to go home. See you all tomorrow. |
| 00:52.26 | Qzot | Thanks for the help, guys!! |
| 00:52.31 | End | cya Qzot |
| 00:54.28 | Kirkburn | I noticed that the Blizz LOD addons no longer call fonts.xml on load :) |
| 00:54.41 | Kirkburn | (in 1.11) |
| 00:55.10 | Kirkburn | Doesn't help me in the slightest, though :/ |
| 00:58.09 | Thrae | Hmmm. What do I need to do if I need to inherit something for a frame created by frame:CreateFrame ? |
| 00:58.28 | Thrae | IE, like <NormalText inherits="GameNormalFont"\> |
| 00:59.10 | MentalPower | in 1.10 its not possible |
| 00:59.47 | MentalPower | in 1.11 "ItemizerTooltip = CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "ItemizerTooltip", nil, "GameTooltipTemplate")" |
| 01:02.04 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 01:02.10 | cladhaire | we're getting template inheritance in 1.11? |
| 01:02.53 | Thrae | Hmm, guess I'm stuck with transversing the inheritance chain and settings everything the old fashioned way ;) |
| 01:03.00 | Thrae | s/settings/setting/. |
| 01:03.27 | MentalPower | cladhaire: yes |
| 01:03.35 | MentalPower | its in the 1.11 changes thread |
| 01:03.42 | cladhaire | MentalPower: For user defined templates as well? |
| 01:03.50 | cladhaire | i've been.. "away" for a bit =) |
| 01:03.55 | MentalPower | I believe so, yes |
| 01:04.27 | Thrae | What's the difference between a user defined template and one in FrameXML? There's no "magic template" I've come across that doesn't have a base definition in FrameXML. |
| 01:04.46 | MentalPower | afaik, there isin't a difference |
| 01:05.11 | Tain | The only difference is that you won't have to use XML at all if you don't want to. |
| 01:05.26 | cladhaire | thats spectacular =) |
| 01:05.32 | Tain | But things will still be derived from FrameXML or whatever source, but you never have to touch it. |
| 01:06.13 | Iriel | There's one difference |
| 01:06.23 | MentalPower | also that means that LoD addons don't need to specify "../../FrameXML/Fonts.xml" anymore |
| 01:06.53 | Iriel | if you declare a template in AddOn code, and then a *BLIZZARD* LOD addon declares a tempalte with the same name |
| 01:07.01 | Iriel | Yours gets overridden |
| 01:07.39 | Iriel | the rule is "first loaded wins, unless it's non-signe and the one replacing it is signed" |
| 01:07.48 | Iriel | s/signe /signed / |
| 01:08.52 | cladhaire | Iriel: Good to know, thanks! |
| 01:09.14 | Thrae | Hmmm, how did I break my keyboards ability to repeat. |
| 01:11.57 | Thrae | Iriel: Is there frame:SetNormalText() ? |
| 01:14.04 | Thrae | Ah, "SetTextFontObject", etc...they called it a different name then its XML. |
| 01:14.27 | Iriel | Frame:SetNormalText? no. |
| 01:14.30 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API_New |
| 01:14.32 | Iriel | That's the 1.11 API |
| 01:15.27 | Thrae | Iriel: Yeah, I just was looking for the wrong thing. |
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| 01:33.17 | Cairenn | You won't |
| 01:33.24 | corey | Haha. |
| 01:34.18 | corey | Any LUA developers interested in a contract job to create a data-gathering addon for item and mob information? Or, anyone in here that can direct me to someone who would be? |
| 01:36.11 | Cairenn | a number of the regulars aren't in channel at the moment Corey, and others may be idling/working/whatever, hang out for a while |
| 01:36.24 | corey | Or, possibly a two step project. The first being a requirements/design document of how the add-on would function. And the second being the coding. |
| 01:36.38 | corey | Thanks Cairenn, I'm patient. And I appreciate the help over in #wowace. |
| 01:37.52 | Kirkburn | And some of us should be sleeping :/ |
| 01:37.58 | Kirkburn | Night night everyone! |
| 01:38.02 | Cairenn | heh, that too, night Kirkburn |
| 01:38.06 | corey | Night Kirkburn. |
| 01:38.17 | Kirkburn | Time to celebrate the Italian Republic 2moro :P |
| 01:38.18 | Tain | I want to be sleeping. I've accomplished all I wish to accomplish today. |
| 01:38.24 | End | bight kirkburn |
| 01:38.24 | End | er |
| 01:38.28 | End | night I mean |
| 01:38.30 | Kirkburn | quite |
| 01:38.34 | End | right |
| 01:38.35 | Tain | Except for not being so damn warm and oppressed by the mugginess. |
| 01:38.38 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 01:38.45 | End | :P |
| 01:39.27 | corey | Tain, live in the northeast? |
| 01:39.56 | Tain | Yes corey, and am currently without the precious, live-giving air conditioning. |
| 01:40.19 | End | sounds painful |
| 01:40.22 | corey | Ah, I too am sweltering right now. I'm in MA. It just rained, so that's cooled things off a bit. |
| 01:40.27 | End | and by painful I mean sucky |
| 01:40.28 | corey | But I'll be honest...I'm a fan of the heat. |
| 01:40.42 | Tain | hah I just moved back to RI from Attleboro. |
| 01:40.52 | Codayus | I'm trying to work out how to change a frames attachment point without making the frame move. This seemingly simple task is eluding me. Anyone got a hint or example? |
| 01:41.13 | Tain | That's a complex task, actually. |
| 01:41.16 | corey | I'm right outside of Boston. Rain is starting to taper off now. |
| 01:41.16 | End | huh, that's funny, now I'm using the addon I'm writing to help debug itself |
| 01:41.38 | Tain | I actually had been working in Boston for the last 10 years or so until just a couple of months ago. |
| 01:41.43 | Codayus | Tain: So it seems. |
| 01:42.24 | Tain | Well what I'd do is pick some specific examples and look at what the numbers look like to do that. |
| 01:42.50 | Tain | For example to change the anchor point of a frame from topleft to topright, you have to adjust the x by the width of the frame. |
| 01:42.51 | corey | I work on the northshore, but prefer to live near Boston for some reason... |
| 01:42.54 | Tain | Or is it the y by the height? |
| 01:42.58 | Codayus | Hm |
| 01:44.00 | Tain | Width yeah. So to make it stay in the same spot if it's a 10x10 frame and you want to change the anchor point from the left to the right you have to add 10 to the setpoint command for x. |
| 01:44.17 | Codayus | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 01:44.54 | Tain | corey: It's the same old story, all my family is in RI, every time I try to get away I seem to get sucked back. :) |
| 01:50.08 | Codayus | Hmm, shouldn't :GetPoint() return more than 1 value? |
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| 01:51.59 | Tain | I havent' actually gotten to do anything with GetPoint() since it was added, wouldn't it return a single value unless a frame was anchored to more than one place? Most of the time it's a single anchor. |
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| 01:52.26 | Iriel | It takes a parameter |
| 01:52.30 | Iriel | GetPoint(index) |
| 01:52.47 | Tain | OH right you use GetNumPoints() |
| 01:52.55 | Tain | And then you know how many there are |
| 01:52.59 | Thrae | Iriel: What's your wiki page again? I need to look at your stub code again. |
| 01:53.16 | Iriel | The embedded stub is at www.iriel.org |
| 01:53.33 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/wow/addondev/embedlibrary1.html |
| 01:53.44 | Codayus | Okay, there's only 1 point. So shouldn't :GetPoint(1) should return more than 1 value? |
| 01:54.01 | Codayus | Wait, let me rephrase. |
| 01:54.30 | Codayus | You call :SetPoint with lots of arguments. Is there a function that spits them all back for a given frame? |
| 01:54.58 | Thrae | Ah cool, thanks. ckknight adds non-stub related stuff inside the stub code, so I didn't want to get confused. |
| 01:55.27 | Iriel | GetPoint should be that function |
| 01:55.39 | chuckg | I'm sorry, what's the dumby description of what a stub is? |
| 01:55.54 | Tain | That would seem to make sense, Codayus. I know I needed to look at GetPoint to fix a long-standing issue too. |
| 01:56.52 | Codayus | Hmm, it works now. |
| 01:57.17 | Thrae | Iriel: By the way, is "stub" your name for this embedding code for Lua? Since the concept looks very similiar to a Singleton Pointer. |
| 01:57.52 | Iriel | I'm using stub in this instance to mean 'minimal piece of invariant code' |
| 01:58.13 | Tain | Also, it makes your big toe hurt if you use it. |
| 01:58.27 | Iriel | It's expected to be a singleton, yes |
| 01:58.40 | Iriel | but it's a collection of references, not necessarily just one. |
| 01:59.05 | Iriel | Part of me is tempted to update that code to remove the 'default' version, I'm in agreement with the Ace folks that it's likely doing more harm than good. |
| 01:59.06 | Thrae | Yeah, I guess you can't necessarily apply "Singleton Pointer" directly to Lua since it doesn't deal with pointers in the first place. |
| 02:01.28 | Tain | Ooh inspiration just struck me. |
| 02:01.50 | Tain | Instead of buying a 42" LCD for the living room which is small and I was worried about it being too big for the space, I can get a 32 or 37" AND a 20" or so for my bedroom. |
| 02:02.08 | Tain | This plan pleases me. |
| 02:02.50 | Iriel | So my 50" arrived, it looks awesome on the wall, and it's great in every way except that it's broken |
| 02:02.58 | Tain | Plus, by the time I have a place big enough for a larger TV I'll be able to do that, and then move the 37" to my bedroom. |
| 02:03.00 | Tain | Oh on! |
| 02:03.02 | Tain | er |
| 02:03.02 | Thrae | Tain: Dell has very affordable, decent LCDs and LCD-TVs. |
| 02:03.02 | Iriel | not "doesn |
| 02:03.03 | Tain | no! |
| 02:03.07 | Iriel | not "doesn't turn on broken" |
| 02:03.14 | Iriel | so I can at least enjoy it partly |
| 02:03.16 | Thrae | Tain: Dells LCDs are made by NEC and Samsung. |
| 02:03.23 | Tain | Thrae: I do have a 2405 from Dell as my main display. :) |
| 02:03.46 | Iriel | but there's sub-section of the screen that's entirely not the write color. So now NewEgg and Panasonic have to fight it out as to who gets to deal with replacing it |
| 02:04.25 | Iriel | I have to say the Sharp LCD's were the most visually impressive when I was out looking last month |
| 02:04.25 | Tain | But ... oh.. if I bought a second 2405 I could dual display and sometimes use one for TV and the rest of the time use both for my desktop. |
| 02:04.38 | Tain | Yeah Iriel I agree, I was really impressed at the Sharp LCDs. |
| 02:05.02 | Thrae | Bah Iriel, your lack of <BR> and <P> tags in your HTML confuses Firefox's Copy. |
| 02:05.33 | Tain | Dual 2405s? Dare I? I now have doubts in my beautiful plan. |
| 02:05.40 | Thrae | Tain: I'd buy one with PiP, it rocks, especially when gaming. I find it MUCH easier to concentrate on a PiP display that's overlapping my game then a TV sitting next to me. |
| 02:06.03 | Tain | See for me I wouldn't, I'd actually rather have a separate TV entirely. |
| 02:06.47 | Iriel | Thrae : Hm, so it does. |
| 02:06.51 | Tain | And as blasphemous as it sounds my 20" widescreen gives me more PC display than I've ever had, or fully utilize. |
| 02:07.09 | Thrae | 24" Widescreen here, and it's almost too big for me ;) |
| 02:07.13 | [Wobin] | So... |
| 02:07.22 | [Wobin] | You have a very nice 50" Wall Hanging? |
| 02:07.28 | Iriel | More or less |
| 02:07.37 | [Wobin] | Call it Modern Art |
| 02:07.38 | Iriel | the bad region is about 12 x 4 inches |
| 02:07.42 | Iriel | so I can do stuff |
| 02:07.44 | [Wobin] | (After you splash urine on it, naturally) |
| 02:07.56 | Tain | I admit though I have thought of what it would be like to have dual display with WoW on one and SciTE and everything else on another. |
| 02:08.02 | Iriel | it's just rather frustrating for it to be so obviously not right.. |
| 02:08.11 | [Wobin] | After spending so much money on it =) |
| 02:08.15 | Thrae | If you use Windows, it's best to do your dual display on a separate computer. |
| 02:08.18 | Tain | Iriel: How was the wall mounting? Easy? Challenging? |
| 02:08.45 | Thrae | Because of the way DirectX demands all screen resources when in full screen. |
| 02:08.46 | Tain | Thrae the only thing with that is not wanting to switch keyboard/mouse to get to the second display. |
| 02:09.13 | Thrae | Tain: Well, I also use SLI too, so I'm at a disadvantage unless I add (gasp) a third video card. |
| 02:09.16 | Iriel | Tain: Remarkably easy, I just picked up a sanus tilt mounting kit, bolted it firmly into 2 of the studs behind the drywall, screwed the brackets into the back of the set (the mounting kit came with many sizes of screws), and then had a friend help me lift it up |
| 02:09.36 | Tain | Maybe if I could have a kvm that automatically switched displays if I moved the mouse cursor past the edge of the screen. Which I don't think exists. |
| 02:09.49 | Iriel | the brackets just hook over the top of the wall part, and then there's safety bolts underneathj to lock it in place |
| 02:09.54 | Thrae | Remote Desktop / VNC ! |
| 02:10.10 | Tain | Iriel: That's good to know. If I go with the 40 I'm definitely wall mounting, smaller and I might/might not. |
| 02:10.52 | Tain | I do use Remote Desktop now a lot, and Cygwin/X but ug I really think Cygwin annoys the hell out of me and I want to just go get Exceed again. |
| 02:11.13 | Thrae | Tain: freeNX ! |
| 02:11.31 | Tain | I haven't tried freeNX! |
| 02:11.39 | Tain | Will it make me waffles? |
| 02:12.23 | Thrae | I'm thinking of making a local freeNX session instead of making a native session each time, then there'll be a LOT less lag. |
| 02:12.53 | Thrae | IE, instead of just starting Gnome, start Freenx locally which starts a Gnome session. |
| 02:14.49 | Tain | I'm looking at it now. |
| 02:16.07 | corey | Any LUA developers interested in a contract job to create a data-gathering addon for item and mob information? Or, anyone in here that can direct me to someone who would be? |
| 02:16.38 | AnduinLothar | funny thing, there are already two different groups doing the same hting |
| 02:18.27 | corey | If someone is interested, project could be done in two phases. First phase being documenting (a spec) the add on and second phase being the development. |
| 02:18.55 | AnduinLothar | addon for which site? |
| 02:19.40 | corey | No website yet Aduin, that'd be part of the project. |
| 02:21.32 | AnduinLothar | well, I'm afaid I'm already attached to too much. Not sure sharing the addon among sites would work too well eithe for security reasons, but if there were some way to make an open source one with some sort of post processing it might be useful.. |
| 02:22.04 | corey | I talked to a few people over in wowace for a bit about this, just so I could get a better understanding of how the add on actually gathers data. The few folks I did talk to thought it'd be a 40 or so hour project. |
| 02:22.30 | corey | Not sure if I'm following you Aduin, are you saying you have one, but aren't sure if you'd want to license/sell it to a third party? |
| 02:22.54 | AnduinLothar | I'm currently in the process of writting one for another site |
| 02:23.14 | AnduinLothar | and cladhaire is working on one for a different site i believe |
| 02:23.21 | AnduinLothar | it seems to be all the rage |
| 02:24.04 | corey | cladhaire was actually the one i was talking to over in wowace |
| 02:24.55 | AnduinLothar | i haven't asked him about it directly, i may be wrong. |
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| 02:45.03 | chuckg | AnduinLothar, does MobileFrames pre-load stuff like the tradeskill/crafting windows? |
| 02:46.21 | AnduinLothar | yup, it's faily dumb like that |
| 02:46.36 | chuckg | That would explain it. :) |
| 02:46.48 | AnduinLothar | i haven't been inspired enough to rewrite it to handle registering things after it's loaded... |
| 02:50.45 | Cairenn | just as a heads-up, it looks like 1.11 comes out next week unless something comes up between now and then |
| 02:51.01 | AnduinLothar | that explains the prepatch |
| 02:52.26 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Thanks.. I'll run WatchDOg through the grinder.. but I suspect its okay. |
| 02:52.30 | cladhaire | Its survived every patch since 1.6 =) |
| 02:52.37 | AnduinLothar | a feat |
| 02:52.40 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 02:52.49 | cladhaire | the only exception being a tooltip snag in 1.10 on buff filtering =) |
| 02:52.55 | AnduinLothar | think 90% of cosmos works |
| 02:52.55 | cladhaire | so i guess its not unscathed. |
| 02:53.13 | AnduinLothar | but i've onyl spent 1 day on test so far |
| 02:53.39 | chuckg | Mapnotes doesn't work in 1.11 |
| 02:53.52 | chuckg | I've had the same version, the release from 4/2005 or whatever and it has never died. |
| 02:53.56 | chuckg | Made me shed a tear. |
| 02:54.04 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 02:54.19 | chuckg | How else will I locate my precious black lotus!? |
| 02:54.30 | AnduinLothar | gatherer.. |
| 02:54.36 | cladhaire | ct_mapmod =) |
| 02:54.51 | AnduinLothar | i did just bugfix MapNotes fo rthe first time the other day |
| 02:54.59 | AnduinLothar | not for 1.11 tho |
| 02:55.20 | AnduinLothar | there's so much code in Cosmos I don't want to look at.. |
| 02:55.39 | chuckg | Gatherer does way too much and is way to big to help me find 5 blacklotus I have memorized anyway. |
| 03:00.58 | AnduinLothar | i'm too lazy to use MapNotes. I need something like gatherer that takes notes for me automaticly |
| 03:01.32 | AnduinLothar | software should know what i want and do it |
| 03:02.14 | AnduinLothar | the whole 'computers are tools' thing is silly imo. The computer should be able to do it without me. |
| 03:02.16 | cladhaire | I really wanted to have Clique done in time for 1.11 |
| 03:02.19 | cladhaire | but rl owns me. |
| 03:02.23 | cladhaire | so it'll have to wait |
| 03:02.37 | cladhaire | Its shaping up quite nicely tho |
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| 03:04.28 | cladhaire | WatchDog will be good to go with a .toc update =) |
| 03:04.42 | cladhaire | StickyFrames is good to go =) |
| 03:04.51 | AnduinLothar | if only they were all so simple |
| 03:05.11 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 03:05.13 | cladhaire | i agree =) |
| 03:05.13 | chuckg | cladhaire, MiniBlizzRaidFrames needs some lovin'. |
| 03:05.20 | chuckg | They added some new functionality to the raid panel. |
| 03:05.22 | cladhaire | chuckg: Aye. |
| 03:05.24 | chuckg | Like "ready" check and stuff. |
| 03:05.25 | cladhaire | it'll be an easy change tjho |
| 03:05.30 | cladhaire | quite easy |
| 03:05.35 | chuckg | Goood stuff, can't live without it now! |
| 03:05.45 | cladhaire | its just commenting out the XML |
| 03:05.50 | AnduinLothar | i have to fix ArchRaid.. but it's not published so i dont feel the need |
| 03:05.52 | cladhaire | so it'll have to wait until 1.11 goes gold for me to touch it. |
| 03:06.26 | chuckg | Ugg, mucking with the tradeskill/crafting frame is going to drive me to drink ... more than I already do. |
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| 03:07.57 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 03:08.05 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 03:08.05 | AnduinLothar | night |
| 03:08.35 | AnduinLothar | so i tried vault for the first time |
| 03:08.51 | AnduinLothar | it's better than surge.. |
| 03:09.02 | AnduinLothar | but has the sugaer flavor of coke |
| 03:09.09 | AnduinLothar | sugary |
| 03:09.19 | AnduinLothar | and the caffine of mt dew |
| 03:09.28 | AnduinLothar | i still liek mt dew better |
| 03:09.35 | chuckg | Gotta drink Bawls for maximum output. |
| 03:09.42 | AnduinLothar | bawls is good stuff |
| 03:09.49 | chuckg | I can never find it, only in random stores. |
| 03:09.52 | chuckg | It's good for hangovers too. |
| 03:09.58 | AnduinLothar | got a couple of cases of empty bottles behind me |
| 03:10.46 | Thrae | Bah, I must read up on VNC...later. |
| 03:11.24 | coreybif | Any LUA developers out there that'd be interested in a contract job to create a data-gathering addon for item and mob information? Or, anyone in here that can direct me to someone who would be? |
| 03:11.53 | Thrae | coreybif: I'm sure Thott would ;) |
| 03:12.35 | [Wobin] | This is such a brilliant cover: http://www.odeo.com/audio/397590/view |
| 03:12.57 | coreybif | Ha, I'm sure he wouldn't! I don't think I could compete. |
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| 03:22.01 | Tem | Tip: A blue question mark above a quest given means the quest is repeatable |
| 03:24.59 | [Wobin] | Tip: Don't die. |
| 03:43.30 | Thrae | Hmmm. |
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| 04:05.41 | Wobin | Heya Dolby |
| 04:07.05 | Dolby-wowi | hi yas Wobin |
| 04:13.25 | Wobin | The Scala Girls rock |
| 04:13.31 | Wobin | http://www.odeo.com/audio/397590/view |
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| 04:37.52 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:01.51 | Thrae | How does one justify tex |
| 05:02.08 | Thrae | How does one justify text inside a button with Lua? |
| 05:02.26 | Thrae | My button text is anchored at the center instead of the topleft. |
| 05:18.26 | Miravlix | Hmm |
| 05:18.41 | Miravlix | JustifyH JustifyV? |
| 05:21.15 | Miravlix | Argh, I just spend a lot of time on trying to find where FriendsFrame set a texture, just to find out I had already handled it, but my texture was missing double \'s |
| 05:22.17 | Miravlix | Programming is fun when you loss the overview. :p |
| 05:23.35 | Miravlix | Friends Frame is quite advanced, I'm wondering if I should copy all tabs and features to make it a library. |
| 05:24.29 | Miravlix | First I need to use it a bit in TTLib though, so I learn how to make it a library. |
| 05:25.11 | Miravlix | I still think it's quite good having converted 3K lines of XML to 400 Lines of Lua and the Lua actually make sense to me. |
| 05:26.04 | Miravlix | I still keep loosing the perspective with the XML, there is much nesting and inheritance that hides what the code does. |
| 05:27.05 | Wobin | With Lua, when I write it, it actually makes it easier to comprehend |
| 05:27.18 | Wobin | Since I can use whatever variable names I like to be more informative |
| 05:28.29 | Miravlix | I don't understand SetHitRectInsets, why make a width/height of a frame bigger and then do Insets to make it smaller? |
| 05:29.54 | Miravlix | All Blizzards UIPanelWindows make themself big, then they put graphics thats smaller into them and then remove the area the frame cover with the Insets |
| 05:31.26 | Miravlix | I'm sure the graphics size would get distroted if I simply made the frame smaller, but then why make the graphics not fit the frame. |
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| 06:25.14 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:28.32 | ckknight | hey |
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| 06:52.27 | s|loup | anyone knows a good site for infos about the new 1.11 farm quests for naxx |
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| 06:54.21 | Kalroth | s|loup: http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr/ |
| 06:58.53 | s|loup | thanks but i've heard about a list of new quests to get reputation, looks like this is missing on the site :( |
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| 07:07.28 | Elkano | is there any page that lists the prerequisits for the various Stormpike insignias? |
| 07:08.09 | Miravlix | wowwalkthroughs... |
| 07:08.19 | Miravlix | Not a freaking One Player RPG. :/ |
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| 08:09.30 | Miravlix | I have 4 buttons, 2 for remove or update and 2 for remove or update all |
| 08:10.05 | Miravlix | I can't find a good text for the buttons. |
| 08:10.26 | Miravlix | The remove one, is easy Remove Config and Remove All |
| 08:10.32 | s|loup | refresh and refresh all? |
| 08:11.24 | Miravlix | But the update one is tricky, it updates a timeStamp field in the table, how do I with a short button text describe that? |
| 08:11.58 | Miravlix | "Touch Config" "Touch All" Update TimeStamp, Update All? |
| 08:13.14 | Miravlix | Hmm, if I go with Touch config and make a tooltip |
| 08:13.50 | Miravlix | Then the tooltip atleast will contain clarification. |
| 08:14.20 | s|loup | hm up to time maybe? |
| 08:15.11 | Miravlix | Touch TimeStamp is the longest text the button can handle before it goes over the sides |
| 08:15.30 | Miravlix | Thats Update TimeStamp actually. |
| 08:16.10 | Miravlix | Or make it Touch TimeStamp and Touch All that should be clear. |
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| 08:49.17 | Miravlix | Heh, my IBM ThinkPad 768D sure is slow, took 45m to download the breezy to dapper update, but it's taking a day to install it all. |
| 08:50.00 | Miravlix | Now this is an error I haven't seen before Error: unfinished long comment near `<eof>' |
| 08:51.40 | Miravlix | Hmm, I should update IEF to skip the extra space |
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| 08:58.32 | AnduinLothar | hmm, just found i had the wow beta installer still |
| 08:58.43 | AnduinLothar | forgot i kept it |
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| 09:04.48 | Miravlix | The good old days, where the Nelfs was sexy and we had to go through 30 miles of snow to warm ourself with there dancing |
| 09:14.27 | Miravlix | How delicusly ironic is this... Sea.io.print("Showing TTLib UI... haha fooled you") I put that in, before I had written the code to Show the UI, now I've programmed it and I expected it to Show, it shows the print and no UI. |
| 09:14.59 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:15.47 | Miravlix | If you can't fool yourself, who can you feel? |
| 09:15.59 | chuckg | Is anyone familiar w/ the UIDropDownMenuTemplate stuff? |
| 09:16.14 | chuckg | I'm having the most wonderfully confusing problem. |
| 09:16.29 | Miravlix | Don't use it |
| 09:16.38 | Miravlix | You don't need a frame to make dropdowns. |
| 09:16.48 | chuckg | What would you propose I use? |
| 09:17.04 | chuckg | I was just looking for a fast easy way to create a dropdown list which selects variable options. |
| 09:17.26 | Miravlix | Check localization it uses Andu's no frame drop downs |
| 09:18.01 | Miravlix | I'm not good enough at it to explain it here. |
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| 09:29.30 | Kaso | foo={["a"]=1,["b"]=2} bar={["b"]=2, ["a"]=1} foo==bar right? |
| 09:31.06 | chuckg | Don't think you can make an array comparison like that.. |
| 09:31.23 | Kaso | ah |
| 09:31.30 | Kaso | well thats why my addon isnt working |
| 09:31.40 | chuckg | You'd have to iterate through the arrays and determine if their values matched. |
| 09:31.56 | Kaso | ok, thanks |
| 09:32.11 | chuckg | You could do ... |
| 09:32.35 | chuckg | foo.a == bar.a and foo.b == bar.b .. etc |
| 09:32.58 | chuckg | Or rather foo["a"], but it's the same concept. |
| 09:33.39 | Miravlix | for k, v in foo do for k2, v2 in bar do if v ~= v2 then different = true break end |
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| 09:34.00 | chuckg | Assuming they were built in the same order. |
| 09:34.05 | chuckg | If they weren't, don't think that would work! |
| 09:34.11 | Miravlix | table.sort |
| 09:34.21 | chuckg | :) |
| 09:34.41 | Kaso | it's a colour table so its just as easy to do an if and statement theres only 3 values |
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| 09:35.25 | krka_ | for k, v in foo do if v ~= bar[k] then different = true end end |
| 09:35.34 | krka_ | for k, v in bar do if v ~= foo[k] then different = true end end |
| 09:35.39 | chuckg | Bloody UIDropDownMenu ... |
| 09:35.40 | krka_ | that's how i'd do it, basically |
| 09:35.41 | chuckg | This makes no sense. |
| 09:35.47 | chuckg | On the one hand, it loads flawlessly. |
| 09:35.56 | chuckg | On the other, loading the same thing but under a different case, it errors. |
| 09:36.05 | chuckg | Although the calls are 100% the same and the frame is loaded in the same way. |
| 09:38.28 | krka_ | don't think Miravlix's double loop would work |
| 09:40.11 | Miravlix | for k, v in foo do for k2, v2 in bar do if k == k2 then if v ~= v2 then different = true break end |
| 09:40.14 | Miravlix | end |
| 09:40.45 | Miravlix | I forgot an if |
| 09:41.45 | Wobin | PS, the reason why array comparisons don't work that way is that you're comparing table objects, not the contents. |
| 09:42.39 | Miravlix | Your comparing a referance address to a referance address when it's table1 == table2 |
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| 09:43.02 | Miravlix | But you could make a metatable for comparison that made table1 == table2 compare the contest of each |
| 09:43.15 | krka|work | stupid instable connection... |
| 09:43.18 | krka|work | what was the last thing i said? :) |
| 09:44.51 | Wobin | <krka_> don't think Miravlix's double loop would work |
| 09:45.04 | Wobin | then |
| 09:45.05 | Wobin | <Miravlix> for k, v in foo do for k2, v2 in bar do if k == k2 then if v ~= v2 then different = true break end |
| 09:45.05 | Wobin | <Miravlix> end |
| 09:45.38 | krka|work | O(n) function for shallow arrays: http://wow.pastebin.com/753139 |
| 09:46.02 | krka|work | also assuming no weird metatable-stuff :) |
| 09:54.11 | krka|work | ah that would fix the double loop... slow for big tables though |
| 10:02.07 | Miravlix | Yeah, for k, v in foo do if v ~= bar[k] then differ = true break end end |
| 10:02.51 | Miravlix | But it doesn't check if the tables is identical, simply if all field of table foo is in table bar and has the same value |
| 10:03.27 | krka|work | that's why you do it twice |
| 10:03.30 | krka|work | with the tables swapped |
| 10:04.18 | Miravlix | Actually I would start with doing table.getn( foo ) == table.getn( bar ) |
| 10:04.50 | krka|work | might be a speedup.. depending on what's the common case |
| 10:07.39 | Miravlix | Hmm, what is the frame type of scrollbars? |
| 10:07.48 | Miravlix | I seem to get "Slider" when I ask in game |
| 10:10.13 | Miravlix | It's ScrollFrame according to wow wiki, but if thats true, it's one of those unsuported CreateFrame's |
| 10:11.22 | chuckg | Miravlix, you advice about the dropdown was inaccurate. |
| 10:11.30 | chuckg | i should have really been asking Iriel. |
| 10:11.39 | Miravlix | Huh? |
| 10:11.40 | chuckg | Since, as it so happens, that's the library that Anduin uses to create his dropdown :) |
| 10:11.53 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 10:12.05 | chuckg | Download it and see! |
| 10:12.06 | Miravlix | He uses the IrielVirtualFrames to create the frame |
| 10:12.14 | Miravlix | Not the drop down |
| 10:13.01 | Miravlix | Because you don't need a frame for the drop down itself. |
| 10:14.00 | Miravlix | I've had to listen to Andu talk about his frameless drop downs every day since he created them |
| 10:14.23 | Miravlix | Sometimes twice a day if we gave him the oppertunity. |
| 10:15.46 | Miravlix | It's a pretty nice technoligy, because frame has a significant memory footprint, so any reduction in frames is a good thing. |
| 10:17.10 | chuckg | I'd like to just get the default one working. But that's also misleading, because it works when loading one way but not loading another. |
| 10:18.10 | Miravlix | Suit yourself |
| 10:18.50 | chuckg | He has no XML for me to read. |
| 10:18.51 | chuckg | :| |
| 10:19.06 | Miravlix | We don't use XML anymore, it's old school |
| 10:19.30 | chuckg | "We" being 5 authors who can do it through LUA? |
| 10:19.51 | chuckg | I haven't come across many mods that are dynmically creating all their frames. |
| 10:20.10 | Miravlix | You sure we are 5 that can do it? |
| 10:20.23 | Miravlix | Think we are only 4 |
| 10:20.52 | chuckg | Just seems rather assuming to say that no one uses XML anymore, don't you think? :) |
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| 10:28.02 | Miravlix_ | Overheating CPU for the loss |
| 10:28.05 | Wobin | I don't use XML because I find the lua method to be more intuitive |
| 10:28.24 | Wobin | But then again, XML might be better off for static undynamic frames |
| 10:28.49 | Wobin | (possibly because xml is -still- slightly more flexible than the lua equivalent) |
| 10:29.05 | Wobin | But I wouldn't know =) |
| 10:29.12 | Miravlix_ | It's new technoligy and yeah I and a few others is early adopters of it, but that still make XML old school and just watch as the rest of the world converts |
| 10:29.39 | Miravlix_ | Soon someone will create an in game addon that will dynamically make frames and save the code for importing into your addons |
| 10:30.23 | Wobin | Sort of an ingame addon creator? =P |
| 10:30.40 | Wobin | (for guis et al) |
| 10:31.00 | Miravlix_ | You can make an addon that makes a GUI frame |
| 10:31.11 | Miravlix_ | With drag and drop and all the jazz |
| 10:31.40 | Miravlix_ | With loadstring and friends you can even dump it to saved variables I think |
| 10:33.08 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:33.10 | Miravlix_ | Or simply make a copy/paste Dialog frame |
| 10:34.06 | Miravlix_ | I have high hopes that we will be entering a golden age of total chaos with all addons having fancy menues |
| 10:34.43 | Miravlix_ | Total Chaos since at the moment there is a limited number of addons with GUI's imaging when you open 100 addons all with a nice GUI. :) |
| 10:35.33 | Kaso | Give me a console based simiple addon anyday |
| 10:35.55 | Miravlix_ | Silence Blashphemer! |
| 10:35.57 | Wobin | hehe ie most of the Ace addons, then =) |
| 10:36.44 | Kaso | seriously though, 70% of the mods i use have no need for a GUI, thats just extra memory being used up. |
| 10:37.08 | Miravlix | Thats the beauty of CreateFrame |
| 10:37.14 | Miravlix | They wont take up memory until you load them |
| 10:37.40 | Wobin | And once you're set up, you don't need to load them again |
| 10:37.45 | Kaso | but once you open up the GUI panel or whatever you cant remove it if i recall correctly? |
| 10:37.48 | Miravlix | So your addon wont use all the frame memory if the user don't need to configure |
| 10:37.56 | Miravlix | But when they do it will create it all |
| 10:37.57 | Wobin | Well, for that session, sure |
| 10:38.11 | Miravlix | It's just for the session, so it wont matter |
| 10:38.29 | Wobin | once you reload in some way, the memory is regained |
| 10:38.32 | Kaso | perhaps its just because im used to using console apps for linux and sutch |
| 10:39.54 | Miravlix | If Blizzard fixed all there unused frame elements, we could half the UI size. :) |
| 10:40.19 | Miravlix | They have a ton of addons that create 10-20 frames beyond what they use |
| 10:40.38 | Miravlix | FriendsFrame uses 10 buttons, but the UI creates 17 |
| 10:41.32 | Kaso | oh? whys that, im not that experenced in coding guis. |
| 10:42.16 | Miravlix | It's just leftover development crud |
| 10:42.28 | Miravlix | At some point they had 'other' plans and things changed, but they didn't clean up the xml |
| 10:43.40 | Kaso | |
| 10:43.42 | Kaso | 60 |
| 10:43.49 | Kaso | fucking mIRC! |
| 10:45.59 | Kaso | BAG_UPDATE is one of the ones that causes problems on zoning right? |
| 10:47.19 | Wobin | aye |
| 10:47.32 | Wobin | in that it fires a lot =) |
| 10:47.57 | Kaso | am i right in saying that someone should register it after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and unregister it on PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD |
| 10:48.08 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:48.15 | Wobin | Good practice that. |
| 10:48.30 | Kaso | good good, just wanted to check i wasnt giving bullshit advice |
| 10:50.23 | Miravlix | No |
| 10:50.30 | Miravlix | 1.11 doesn't fire BAG_UPDATE |
| 10:50.47 | Miravlix | and BAG_UPDATE happends after PeW in 1.10 |
| 10:52.58 | Kaso | Hmm, so in 1.11 itll work fine without any extra loadlag? |
| 10:53.19 | Miravlix | yes |
| 10:53.27 | Miravlix | and no |
| 10:53.41 | Miravlix | You wont have huge zoning times |
| 10:53.54 | Miravlix | You will still have lag when BAG_UPDATE fires normaly |
| 10:54.15 | Wobin | yeah, 1.11 fixes the zoning issues |
| 10:54.21 | Miravlix | It's one of those things where the WoW API needs a library interfacing to them |
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| 10:55.39 | Miravlix | No matter how well you write your bag scanner, it HAS to use slow API's so it's of some value to only have one scanner and 10 users of the scanner |
| 10:56.08 | Wobin | SpecialEventsBags does help in that sense |
| 10:56.16 | Wobin | It does the bagscan at the beginning |
| 10:56.33 | Wobin | Then when bag_update fires, it fires an event that shows which bag/slot |
| 10:56.41 | Miravlix | I've written SeaSpellbook and SeaCIB (Container, Inventory, Bank) for optimizing Cosmos addons |
| 10:56.46 | Wobin | (and possibly other stuff) |
| 10:57.05 | Wobin | but the WoW Event -really- just needs to return the slot as well as the bag |
| 10:57.24 | Miravlix | That would be nice |
| 10:58.51 | Miravlix | But it also need to make a local cache of everything, so the API isn't slow |
| 10:59.06 | Miravlix | It makes no sense we need to keep a copy of this stuff in memory |
| 10:59.26 | Miravlix | The only copy in the system should be the Blizzard API's |
| 11:07.08 | Miravlix | Has anyone managed to make a ScrollBar in lua? |
| 11:11.04 | Cide | yes, I believe so |
| 11:11.31 | Cide | well, I've made ScrollFrames and FauxScrollFrames |
| 11:13.52 | Miravlix | Got some example code I can learn from, please? |
| 11:14.17 | Cide | which one do you want? |
| 11:14.26 | Cide | ScrollFrame or FauxScrollFrame? |
| 11:15.09 | Miravlix | Hmm, no idea, whatever is needed to create the same that happends when ScrollFrame is done in XML |
| 11:15.19 | Cide | ScrollFrame then.. |
| 11:15.33 | Cide | I don't really have a good example of that.. the best I found is in the quest log frame |
| 11:15.44 | Cide | for displaying the quest text when you click on a quest |
| 11:16.04 | Miravlix | Aah, I need a lua version |
| 11:16.13 | Miravlix | As in CreateFrame("ScrollFrame") |
| 11:16.24 | Cide | ah, not sure if I can help then |
| 11:16.36 | Miravlix | Trying to duplicate FriendFrame.xml in pure lua |
| 11:16.38 | Cide | sorry, I missed that part |
| 11:16.55 | Miravlix | But just found that my ScrollBar isn't fully created with the CreateFrame call |
| 11:17.31 | Miravlix | Don't think it creates the arrows and slider |
| 11:20.51 | Miravlix | Hmm, or maybe I've forgotten to copy the inherits="FauxScrollFrameTemplate" |
| 11:23.37 | Miravlix | Yeah, never mind, I missed duplicating the code in the templates |
| 11:23.59 | clad|sleep | Miravlix: Would you mind tossing your dynamic code up somewhere when you have it done? |
| 11:24.19 | clad|sleep | I've been playing with it the past week or so with IVF.. but i haven't gotten to converting it over to 1.11 with dynamic templates |
| 11:25.16 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/753244 |
| 11:25.19 | Miravlix | current version |
| 11:25.26 | Miravlix | With broken ScrollFrame |
| 11:25.57 | clad|work | cool, i'll hold onto that. |
| 11:26.00 | Miravlix | It's a close to perfect replica of the main window of FriendsFrame |
| 11:26.15 | clad|work | if you get a moment, and wouldn't mind putting just the scrollframe part up on the wiki-- i'm sure many would be eternally greatful =) |
| 11:26.20 | clad|work | if not i'll try when i pkay with it. |
| 11:26.28 | Miravlix | Doesn't support the Friend/Ignore tab or the bottom tabs |
| 11:26.33 | Miravlix | Since I don't need those |
| 11:26.44 | coreybif | Any LUA developers interested in a contract job to create a data-gathering addon for item and mob information? Or, anyone in here that can direct me to someone who would be? Two parts to the job, first being requirements/design documentation and the second being the actual coding. |
| 11:27.23 | krka|work | there already exist mods like that |
| 11:27.46 | Miravlix | Yeah but the data gathering community doesn't like to share. :) |
| 11:27.53 | coreybif | Exactly. |
| 11:28.43 | krka|work | hmm... so the allakhazam / thottbot addons are private and only a select group of people can contribute data? |
| 11:29.14 | Wobin | coreybif: You should sell the concept to the CGF's They'd give a great sample pool to work on |
| 11:29.24 | Miravlix | Reading there savedvariables to import that data into another site, would prolly land you in some pretty muddy legal waters |
| 11:29.24 | coreybif | Everyone can contribute. This would be an alternative to to those two services. CGFs? |
| 11:29.32 | Wobin | Chinese Gold Farmers =P |
| 11:29.37 | clad|work | lol |
| 11:29.39 | coreybif | Haha, no thanks Wobin. |
| 11:29.58 | coreybif | Not looking to contribute to the gold selling companies. |
| 11:29.58 | Wobin | No, really =) Who better to get the info than people who are playing 24hrs a day? |
| 11:30.07 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:30.09 | Miravlix | Wobin: I don't beleive data mining helps gold farmers at all |
| 11:30.14 | Wobin | true |
| 11:30.22 | Wobin | It'd be some nifty marketing to sell it to them |
| 11:30.24 | krka|work | sure it does, it tells them which mobs give most money |
| 11:30.49 | Wobin | They're not after money from mobs really |
| 11:30.52 | Miravlix | krka: We all know that without using data gatherer |
| 11:30.54 | Wobin | They're after items they can sell |
| 11:31.04 | krka|work | item -> money |
| 11:31.37 | coreybif | Oh, I do think farmers could definitely leverage the data. To find out which areas aren't heavily hunted, which mobs have the highest drop rate, etc. |
| 11:31.42 | Wobin | And that's less a data mining thing than a serverwide marketing thing |
| 11:31.42 | coreybif | But, that's not the goal of this project. |
| 11:32.13 | Miravlix | The best way of making money has always been buying low and selling high |
| 11:32.24 | clad|work | yep =) |
| 11:32.36 | clad|work | getting into the mooncloth/cured rugged hide market is pretty lucrative atm |
| 11:32.46 | Wobin | Not when you have the manpower to just grind on items to sell =P |
| 11:33.25 | Miravlix | The farmer thing is for players not for profesional gold farmers |
| 11:33.46 | clad|work | ok folks, off to work |
| 11:33.57 | Wobin | data mining thing, you mean =) |
| 11:34.12 | Miravlix | No gold farmers, doesn't farm mobs |
| 11:34.20 | Miravlix | They farm the AH, way easier. |
| 11:34.35 | Wobin | no it isn't =P |
| 11:34.39 | Wobin | That requires intelligence =P |
| 11:34.44 | Wobin | farming mobs doesn't |
| 11:34.59 | Miravlix | And the Gold Farmers is inteligent. |
| 11:35.06 | Miravlix | Players isn't |
| 11:35.06 | Wobin | not necessarily |
| 11:35.29 | Wobin | The people overseeing the gold farmers may be intelligent |
| 11:36.00 | Miravlix | You know how most gold sites get gold? They buy it |
| 11:36.10 | Wobin | But it's far cheaper to hire someone and say "See that mob? hit it til it dies, then do it again" than "See that AH? Play it for gold" |
| 11:36.20 | Miravlix | Buy it from players selling there account and stuff and sell it at high prices |
| 11:36.40 | Wobin | Anyway. I really don't care about the mechanics of gold selling |
| 11:36.43 | Miravlix | They dont need to play WoW at all, except to log in on a bought account and arrange the gold |
| 11:37.42 | Miravlix | It's the classic used car sale model |
| 11:37.48 | coreybif | So...anyone out there that'd be interested in a job like this? |
| 11:38.24 | Miravlix | You have cought is at our off hour |
| 11:38.38 | Miravlix | It's 13:38 in EU on a Friday and US is asleep. |
| 11:39.53 | coreybif | I'm in the US and I'm awake! Just kidding...I figured that there weren't many people awake, but wanted to post the msg before I headed off to work. |
| 11:40.00 | coreybif | I'll check back later. Thanks Miravlix. |
| 11:40.33 | Miravlix | I'm independently wealthy, I don't need to work. :> |
| 11:41.24 | coreybif | Hah, well lucky you. I'm independent, but working on the wealthy part. |
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| 12:01.33 | zenzelezz | hm, tried to log onto Windows using my WoW logon... maybe I should reboot more often |
| 12:09.50 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 12:09.52 | MoonWolf | you should. |
| 12:10.09 | zenzelezz | I reboot when I see a reason |
| 12:10.28 | zenzelezz | most of the time Windows, despite what others say, doesn't seem to go die on itself for me |
| 12:11.39 | kaso|akf | i couldnt sleep with my computer on in my room, its 200 zillion fans make too much noise |
| 12:11.51 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 12:11.53 | MoonWolf | same here |
| 12:12.05 | zenzelezz | I had that problem when I used a FOP-38 fan... since then everything has sounded really quiet |
| 12:13.16 | kaso | ive got a Watercooling kit lying around that could silence it up but installing it would mean taking my pc offline for a day or 2 which would suck. |
| 12:14.23 | krka_ | http://warpdrive.se/?34178 |
| 12:14.45 | zenzelezz | I'm not too thrilled about watercooling... it's great, but I'd find some way to kill my computer in the process =D |
| 12:15.36 | Miravlix | Argh, I'm just about to freaking write the very last line of the ScrollBar code |
| 12:15.49 | kaso | yeh, there's always a certain risk, but its quite fun, also lets me get another few hundred Mhz of processor power for free |
| 12:16.00 | Miravlix | Them I find <ThumbTexture and no where in the Wiki is that known in the WidgetAPI |
| 12:16.34 | Miravlix | kaso: It's not for free |
| 12:16.42 | Miravlix | You shorten the hardwares lifespan |
| 12:16.52 | Miravlix | Or fry it in worst case |
| 12:18.06 | kaso | risk, reward it all ballances |
| 12:18.35 | Miravlix | Yeah, but not free. :) |
| 12:18.52 | kaso | if it breaks i need a new PC anyway :> |
| 12:19.04 | kaso | itll give me an exhuse |
| 12:19.13 | kaso | excuse even |
| 12:19.58 | Wobin | I just use standby mode a lot |
| 12:20.03 | Wobin | so I can sleep |
| 12:20.12 | Wobin | But don't have to wait for bootup when I wake up |
| 12:21.10 | zenzelezz | not the boot time that makes me keep mine on... I tend to have a few files/websites/something open that I don't feel like digging up again the next day. I'm lazy =) |
| 12:21.37 | Miravlix | Suspend To disk saves your stuff |
| 12:22.00 | Miravlix | And turns the computer off |
| 12:22.33 | zenzelezz | probably does, but leaving the computer on works well enough for me |
| 12:22.52 | Miravlix | I haven't turned my computer off in 20 years. |
| 12:22.59 | Wobin | Suspend? Is that like Hibernate? |
| 12:23.11 | zenzelezz | not quite I think |
| 12:23.28 | Miravlix | Suspend to Disk turns the computer off |
| 12:23.37 | Wobin | I know Hibernate writes the disk status to disk then turns off |
| 12:23.39 | Miravlix | Hibernate just mostly truns it off |
| 12:24.23 | zenzelezz | sort of like a super-charged screen saver |
| 12:24.38 | Wobin | There's something about the frequency of the cooling fans in computers that just makes me unable to sleep with them running |
| 12:24.44 | Wobin | No matter how soft they are =P |
| 12:25.00 | Miravlix | Water cooling |
| 12:25.03 | Miravlix | Silence! |
| 12:25.30 | zenzelezz | well, like I said, after my FOP-38 everything sounds "quiet" to me |
| 12:25.37 | Miravlix | The disk turns off too then there is nothing left to make sound |
| 12:25.40 | zenzelezz | I wonder what convinced me to use one in the first place |
| 12:26.27 | Wobin | Hrm, this is one thing I love about Beijing. I don't know anywhere else where you can get a home delivered meal for the equivalent of about 1.2 euros |
| 12:27.05 | Wobin | If it weren't for the oil content, I'd order in every night =P |
| 12:27.11 | Tain | Wobin: My brother spent a month in Thailand and said the same thing, awesome food for dirt cheap. |
| 12:28.06 | Wobin | Mmmm. Thai |
| 12:38.45 | Tain | He absolutely loves it there. I want to go. |
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| 12:59.18 | Miravlix | Morning Cairenn, want the usuall or are you adventurus today? |
| 12:59.51 | Cairenn | let's go for adventurous ;) |
| 13:01.45 | Kalroth | woohoo |
| 13:02.04 | Miravlix | Woot! My FriendFrames.xml implemention in Lua works! |
| 13:02.17 | Miravlix | There is one graphical size bug left to fix though. |
| 13:02.19 | Kalroth | Miravlix: I don't have anyone on my friendlist :( |
| 13:03.00 | Miravlix | It's implemented for my Time To Live Library, so I can dynamically create the confirmation frame for erasing old saved variables data |
| 13:03.36 | MoonWolf | give src now plx Miravlix kthnxbye. |
| 13:03.45 | MoonWolf | No really, when will you publish it ? |
| 13:04.13 | Cairenn | mmmmmmm |
| 13:04.26 | Miravlix | MoonWolf: What part of it? |
| 13:04.50 | MoonWolf | the whole custom friendsframe |
| 13:04.54 | Miravlix | The FriendsFrame.xml in lua part or the Time To Live Library. |
| 13:05.01 | MoonWolf | so i can look at it and learn stuff. |
| 13:05.46 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/753369 |
| 13:05.50 | Miravlix | Current version |
| 13:06.19 | Miravlix | With Scroll Frame Texture size bug, need to fix that, but it's quite a bit of code to correct it. |
| 13:07.17 | MoonWolf | that is pretty damn compressed. |
| 13:07.53 | Miravlix | The code should work if you stiff it into an addon and do ShowUIPanel( TTLibFrame ) |
| 13:08.43 | Miravlix | 500 lines of code or so when it's finished, maybe more those texture corrections is huge. |
| 13:09.27 | Miravlix | You can check for the -- Bugfix for button graphics header to see how I fixed some other textures |
| 13:09.52 | Miravlix | It's the main FriendFrame window, without the two tabs on top or the 4 tabs on the bottom. |
| 13:10.30 | Miravlix | I haven't pooled all templates and removed the extra code in FriendFrame.xml, so I'm not sure how much smaller it is. |
| 13:10.41 | Miravlix | But I think it's 500 lines vs 2-3K XML |
| 13:11.05 | Miravlix | Due to SetNormalTexture needing a size bugfix |
| 13:11.15 | MoonWolf | hmm |
| 13:11.29 | MoonWolf | cool work. |
| 13:12.43 | Miravlix | SetNormalText works fine with no size issues, it's just textures that messes up. |
| 13:13.08 | MoonWolf | told slouken yet ? |
| 13:13.46 | Miravlix | Still experimenting, want to get it all done, then send a copy to Slouken |
| 13:19.40 | Kirkburn | Were Naga first found in WC3 or WC3:TFT? |
| 13:19.42 | Miravlix | Hmm, think I made some mistakes with the Bugfix |
| 13:21.00 | Cide | TFT |
| 13:22.54 | Kirkburn | Thanks :) |
| 13:29.54 | Miravlix | Baah, my correction still stands. |
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| 13:30.17 | Miravlix | tex = CreateFrame( "Texture", texFrame:GetName() .. "UIPanelButtonUp" ) |
| 13:30.30 | Cide | isn't it CreateTexture()? |
| 13:30.38 | Miravlix | Thought I might have to create a Texture frame, but there is no sutch thing |
| 13:30.47 | Miravlix | It's frame:CreateTexture |
| 13:31.36 | Miravlix | But in XML we can make free standing textures without a frame |
| 13:31.37 | Miravlix | <Texture name="UIPanelButtonDownTexture" file="Interface\Buttons\UI-Panel-Button-Down" virtual="true"> |
| 13:31.37 | Miravlix | <TexCoords left="0" right="0.625" top="0" bottom="0.6875"/> |
| 13:31.53 | Cide | that's not parented to UIParent/WorldFrame? |
| 13:32.28 | Miravlix | I'm no XML wizard, but there is no <anything> around that texture |
| 13:32.37 | Miravlix | It's the first line in UIPanelTemplates.xml |
| 13:33.01 | Cide | yeah, but I mean, it might be some kind of default value |
| 13:33.12 | Cide | see if you get the same effect with using UIParent |
| 13:33.18 | Cide | err |
| 13:33.19 | Cide | nevermind |
| 13:33.21 | Cide | it's virtual |
| 13:33.33 | Miravlix | Yeah, but that doesn't matter |
| 13:33.41 | Miravlix | It just means it disapper after addons is loaded |
| 13:33.48 | Cide | no, it means it's a template |
| 13:34.06 | Cide | and not a physically usable object |
| 13:34.33 | Cide | it is solely used for other objects to inherit its properties |
| 13:34.37 | Miravlix | It's usable, just only at code loading time where it's handled |
| 13:35.00 | Cide | if you say so. go try and report back, I would be *very* surprised if that is true |
| 13:35.05 | Miravlix | The loader copies the code into any addon that inherits from it. |
| 13:35.07 | Cide | granted, I have never tried |
| 13:35.27 | Miravlix | I have |
| 13:35.43 | Miravlix | I use SetTNormalText( "GameFontNormal" ) |
| 13:35.46 | Miravlix | Works at load time |
| 13:35.48 | Cide | point is |
| 13:36.02 | Cide | it's discarded, and as such, shouldn't need an underlying frame |
| 13:36.24 | Miravlix | Anyway I can't duplicate what the code does in lua. |
| 13:36.35 | Cide | that's because it's virtual :) |
| 13:36.41 | Miravlix | No |
| 13:36.49 | Miravlix | I've copied every other virtual thing |
| 13:37.08 | Miravlix | Virtual just means it's copied into the frames that inherits |
| 13:37.18 | Miravlix | So they have the data of the virtual object in them |
| 13:37.22 | Kirkburn | Woop, I should be able to order Hl2:Ep1 again ... time to try :) |
| 13:37.31 | Cide | it is then discarded after the parsing pass.. (until 1.11) |
| 13:37.37 | Cide | they are still "virtual" |
| 13:37.41 | Miravlix | But I can't create <NormalTexture inherits="UIPanelButtonUpTexture"/> |
| 13:37.58 | Miravlix | All I have in lua is SetNormalTexture |
| 13:38.03 | Cide | virtual: Existing in the mind, especially as a product of the imagination. Used in literary criticism of a text. |
| 13:38.33 | Cide | sou yo do |
| 13:38.35 | Cide | so you do* |
| 13:39.32 | Cide | texture = frame:CreateTexture("Blah", "ARTWORK"); etc(); etc(); ... :SetNormalTexture(texture) |
| 13:40.12 | Miravlix | The template system creates something like |
| 13:40.13 | Miravlix | <NormalTexture> |
| 13:40.13 | Miravlix | <Texture file="Interface\Buttons\UI-Panel-Button-Up"> |
| 13:40.31 | Cide | what I wrote above should work |
| 13:40.40 | Miravlix | It doesn't cide |
| 13:40.55 | Miravlix | That the whole point I can't duplicate what the XML does |
| 13:41.02 | Cide | let me try... |
| 13:41.05 | Miravlix | I have to do SetWidth, SetHeight and SetPoint |
| 13:41.18 | Miravlix | Or the texture is half size |
| 13:41.25 | Miravlix | and it's placed incorrectly |
| 13:41.41 | Cide | did you do SetTexCoord()? |
| 13:41.49 | Cide | seeing as you have <TexCoords left="0" right="0.625" top="0" bottom="0.6875"/> |
| 13:41.49 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 13:42.13 | Miravlix | tex = CreateFrame( "Texture", texFrame:GetName() .. "UIPanelButtonHighlight" ) |
| 13:42.13 | Miravlix | tex:SetTexture( "Interface\\Buttons\\UI-Panel-Button-Highlight" ) |
| 13:42.13 | Miravlix | tex:SetTexCoord( 0, 0.625, 0, 0.6875 ) |
| 13:42.27 | Miravlix | err, wrong first line |
| 13:42.36 | Miravlix | --tex = texFrame:CreateTexture( texFrame:GetName() .. "UIPanelButtonDown", "ARTWORK" ) |
| 13:42.45 | Miravlix | This one |
| 13:42.57 | Cide | and then.. texFrame:SetNormalTexture(tex) ? |
| 13:43.05 | Miravlix | Yeps |
| 13:43.11 | Cide | can't see why that wouldn't work |
| 13:43.23 | Cide | though you might have to specify width/height/anchors, like you said |
| 13:43.49 | Miravlix | I do that in the code that does SetNormalTexture |
| 13:44.04 | Miravlix | button:SetNormalTexture( getglobal( texFrame:GetName() .. "UIPanelButtonUp" ) ) |
| 13:44.26 | Cide | easier to just pass the variable "tex" |
| 13:44.32 | Miravlix | No |
| 13:44.39 | Miravlix | I create 4 tex |
| 13:44.48 | Miravlix | Normal, disabled, Down, Highlighted |
| 13:45.10 | Miravlix | Would have to create 4 variables then |
| 13:45.37 | Wobin | guh |
| 13:45.57 | Wobin | If I SetParent a frame to another, shouldn't it move when I move the parented frame? |
| 13:46.06 | Wobin | Or do I -have- to set a point |
| 13:46.14 | Cide | you have to |
| 13:46.21 | Wobin | bah humbug |
| 13:46.59 | Wobin | I can't say "okay, parent the frame to this one where the distance is arbitary" |
| 13:47.35 | Cide | has it been anchored before? |
| 13:47.45 | Kirkburn | OMG OMG OMG, I finally managed to purchase HL2: Ep1!!! |
| 13:48.08 | Wobin | Cide: possibly, possibly not |
| 13:48.17 | Cide | ClearAllPoints doesn't work, I take it? |
| 13:48.34 | Kirkburn | *sigh* and I don't have enough HD space for it |
| 13:48.46 | Wobin | well, it's more that I don't necessarily know the x,y relpos without some work |
| 13:49.46 | Cide | well, couldn't you just do SetPoint("TOPLEFT", "relFrame", "TOPLEFT", frame1:GetLeft()-frame2:GetLeft(), frame1:GetTop()-frame2:GetTop())? |
| 13:51.18 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 13:51.24 | Wobin | I was being lazy =) |
| 13:51.29 | Cide | we all are! |
| 13:51.32 | Wobin | (Or rather, I wanted to be lazy) |
| 13:52.55 | Miravlix | Not everyone has the right skills to be lazy |
| 13:54.14 | Miravlix | Hmm, I could speed up apt-get a lot by setting a flag for Regenerating fonts cache, instead of doing it after every font. (it does it on all files) |
| 13:54.26 | Wobin | Thank you Miravalix for your validation of my abilities =P |
| 13:56.29 | Miravlix | Wasn't that invalidation of your abilities? |
| 13:58.10 | Wobin | It was a backhanded insult or complement |
| 13:58.16 | Wobin | But backhanded all the same =P |
| 14:00.01 | Miravlix | I have to create a temp frame I hide with the textures attached, but I think, I've managed to just need duplicate information of whats in the frame that I SetNormalTexture |
| 14:00.14 | wereHamster | is it possible to see the action-ids in nurfed action bar? |
| 14:00.24 | Miravlix | That would allow me to create the texture smartly later. |
| 14:00.30 | Wobin | You could try extracting them from the framename? |
| 14:01.10 | wereHamster | A friend wants to create a macro.. and he needs to use IsActionUsable() .. |
| 14:01.44 | Miravlix | So now my problem is down to the texture I create not inheriting from the frame that it's SetNormalTextured to |
| 14:01.57 | Wobin | You can do what I do in GonffBar |
| 14:02.07 | Wobin | although that involves the mouse |
| 14:02.27 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:02.29 | Wobin | no that won't help |
| 14:02.47 | Wobin | There's no easy way to programatically get the actionid apart from scanning for certain text in the frame name |
| 14:03.04 | Wobin | which is why I had to bruteforce the situation =P |
| 14:03.07 | Miravlix | this:GetID() |
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| 14:03.28 | Wobin | That follows for ActionIDs? |
| 14:04.08 | Wobin | So it does |
| 14:04.11 | Wobin | There you go |
| 14:04.31 | Wobin | As long as you know that what you're checking is an actionID button, it'll be fine |
| 14:04.40 | Wobin | Cause containers use GetID also |
| 14:09.47 | Miravlix | I was wondering if a macro on a button |
| 14:09.53 | Miravlix | could use this:GetID() |
| 14:10.24 | kaso | that's interesting, can it? |
| 14:11.21 | Miravlix | Hmm, interesting I do get a this |
| 14:11.31 | Miravlix | in a macro on a action button |
| 14:11.35 | Miravlix | But it was 1 |
| 14:11.55 | Miravlix | Haha |
| 14:12.01 | Miravlix | this:GetName() == |
| 14:12.04 | Miravlix | Any bets? |
| 14:12.10 | Miravlix | "ChatFrame1" |
| 14:12.26 | Miravlix | So macros has a this, but not the this we needed. |
| 14:12.36 | wereHamster | this:GetID() always reports 1 |
| 14:12.56 | Miravlix | Always? |
| 14:13.06 | grimman | Miravlix: Macros are just sent to the ChatFrame so there's really no surprise there. |
| 14:13.08 | Miravlix | then whats the point of SetID( # ) |
| 14:13.25 | Cide | obj:GetID() returns the id set with obh:SetID(int) |
| 14:13.30 | wereHamster | and GetName() "ChatFrame1" |
| 14:13.46 | Cide | I think wereHamster meant that "this:GetID()" always returns 1 when used in macros |
| 14:14.13 | wereHamster | Cide, yep.. |
| 14:14.32 | Miravlix | Thats only if this is for ChatFrame1 |
| 14:14.38 | Miravlix | ChatFrame2 returns 2 |
| 14:14.56 | Cide | yes, but macros send their data to ChatFrame1, thus this = ChatFrame1.. according to grimman anyway :) |
| 14:15.37 | grimman | Try it out for yourselves. /script something; and then just alt+up arrow in the chatbox. |
| 14:15.42 | grimman | You'll get what the macro contained. |
| 14:15.48 | Miravlix | Anyway I did a /print GetMouseFocus():GetID() and got 8 |
| 14:15.55 | Miravlix | Because I clicked the actionbutton |
| 14:15.56 | grimman | Or up arrow if you've removed the annoying alt-key. |
| 14:16.11 | grimman | Miravlix: That works for clickers sure... ;D |
| 14:16.32 | Miravlix | But 8 isnt the ActionID() |
| 14:16.41 | grimman | Nop. |
| 14:16.42 | Miravlix | It's MultiBarRightButton8 |
| 14:17.11 | grimman | Can't you do this:GetActionID() or doesn't that exist? |
| 14:17.32 | kaso | GetActionID should work. |
| 14:17.50 | Miravlix | attempt to call method 'GetActionID' ( a nil value) |
| 14:17.51 | wereHamster | isn't there ActionBar_GetPagedID() ? |
| 14:18.01 | Miravlix | GetMouseFocus():GetActionID() |
| 14:18.39 | Miravlix | If it exist, then I don't have the correct This |
| 14:19.07 | Miravlix | Configuring usplash (0.2-4) |
| 14:19.16 | Miravlix | usplash? |
| 14:19.22 | Miravlix | Sounds kinky |
| 14:19.47 | Miravlix | Or maybe the heat is getting to me, already had to reboot and drop my CPU down to 1.5 Ghz to avoid it overheating |
| 14:21.55 | grimman | Ouch, |
| 14:21.57 | grimman | .* |
| 14:28.20 | grimman | Anyway, this:GetActionID(); works. |
| 14:28.36 | grimman | At least on DAB. |
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| 14:57.52 | Kirkburn | I keep forgetting it's friday :/ |
| 14:58.44 | grimman | Yeah, me too. |
| 14:58.46 | grimman | I love it. |
| 14:58.49 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 14:58.53 | grimman | ^^ |
| 14:59.27 | Kirkburn | I keep forgetting to change music ... it's on repeat, and I don't notice that's I've been listening to the same album 3 times :) |
| 15:00.50 | grimman | ;P |
| 15:00.57 | grimman | You have an MP3-player right? |
| 15:01.14 | grimman | Hail to the ~unlimited playlist! |
| 15:02.31 | grimman | I have almost 600 songs on mine and that feels a bit cramped sometimes. |
| 15:03.20 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 15:03.33 | Kirkburn | I do indeed, got a Zen Vision:M |
| 15:03.52 | Kirkburn | Of course, you probably meant on my computer :P |
| 15:07.23 | grimman | Aye. ;D |
| 15:07.38 | grimman | I've been waiting for ages to get my iPod. |
| 15:07.44 | grimman | Sadly I haven't gotten it yet. |
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| 15:10.02 | kaso | my old ipod got nicked, im still mourning it |
| 15:10.16 | kaso | all ive got atm is a Shuffle, 512Kb isnt enough :< |
| 15:11.17 | kaso | 512 mb even |
| 15:11.26 | kaso | 512 kb definitly isnt enough! |
| 15:12.11 | krka|work | 640kb should be enough for anyone |
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| 15:12.37 | kaso | ^^ |
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| 15:15.13 | kaso | bah, this is why i shouldnt leave half my work till the deadline -_- |
| 15:17.54 | Tem | d;oh |
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| 15:28.39 | End | nonsense, leaving half your work for the deadline is the perfect thing to do |
| 15:29.13 | krka|work | i do most of my work after deadline |
| 15:29.29 | krka|work | chances are the task is obsolete by then so i won't have to do it at all! |
| 15:29.39 | MoonWolf | lo |
| 15:30.15 | kaso | see ususally i'd agree, but now that im having to sit here doing "03 - Interference by division of amplitude" problems instead of being outside in the glorius weather we have today, im thinking perhaps i should have done more when it was raining |
| 15:32.31 | Kirkburn | I don't have glorious weather here :( |
| 15:33.06 | Kirkburn | I have rain and coldness and brr and windyness and clouds |
| 15:33.11 | kaso | Well to be honest where i am (edinburgh) it's a rarity |
| 15:33.31 | Kirkburn | Ya, I'd probably say the opposite for here :P |
| 15:47.36 | Wobin | What criteria is required for a custom texture to show properly? |
| 15:48.40 | kaso | umm, power of 2 dimentions less than or 512? |
| 15:50.36 | kaso | I never managed to get alpha channeled ones to work but i think you can |
| 15:51.31 | End | alpha channeled has worked for me |
| 15:51.41 | End | but non power of 2 dimensions does bad things to WoW |
| 15:52.45 | Miravlix | Oh, nice my Lua version of FriendsFrame.xml crashes wow. :) |
| 15:53.50 | kaso | the last time i tried alpha channeled tga wow crashed on reloaduing, and zoning |
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| 15:59.34 | grimman | Then you're obviously doing something very wrong. ;P |
| 16:01.29 | End | or WoW is ;p |
| 16:01.46 | End | maybe WoW is doing something very wrong on your behalf |
| 16:03.53 | kaso | i gave up and just used a handful of differnet texutres which i peiced together anyway. |
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| 16:15.49 | Miravlix | The ScrollBar doesn't want to play nice. |
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| 16:25.08 | Kirkburn | Lol, just realised ... if they patch on tuesday ... the Scourge Invasion will have started on 6/6/6 |
| 16:25.30 | Cide | I'm screwed if they do |
| 16:26.05 | Kirkburn | More testing time? |
| 16:33.48 | Cide | yeah, I need to level a character |
| 16:33.56 | Cide | so I haven't had time to test stuff |
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| 16:46.58 | Kirkburn | Since last feb, I've had 17days of free wow time :P |
| 16:47.16 | Kirkburn | How does that compate to the US? (obviously it partially depends on realm) |
| 16:47.25 | Kirkburn | s/compate/compare/ |
| 16:49.58 | Wobin | I just cannot seem to get textures working at all, at all =( |
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| 16:53.40 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 16:54.11 | Gryphen | I've had 20 since 11/23/04, and I am on Mal'Ganis, one of the big 4 that were down for 5 days after the first opening day. |
| 16:55.07 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, 5 days? Wow ... sounds about on a par though with the EU |
| 16:55.55 | Kirkburn | Was 23/11 (my way's better =) US release day |
| 16:55.56 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 16:56.22 | Gryphen | 11/23 was release day |
| 16:56.23 | Tem | that sounds about right |
| 16:57.49 | Elkano | how many days are included with the game? 30? |
| 16:58.03 | Gryphen | first month free ya |
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| 16:58.53 | Elkano | 02/12 + free month + x free days = 04/07 |
| 16:59.17 | Elkano | so should be about 20 days for me, too |
| 16:59.42 | Elkano | <-- leaving... l8ers... |
| 17:03.20 | Kirkburn | I miss that first day, was such an experience |
| 17:03.42 | Qzot | I missed. Hadn't given up on SWG yet. |
| 17:04.49 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:04.54 | Kirkburn | What made you leave? |
| 17:05.45 | End | I've only gotten a month and 7 days of free game time ...but the month was the referral reward |
| 17:05.53 | Qzot | Final straw was that they changed crafting formulae ever so slightly without even listing in the patch notes. I had oodles of cash in armorsmithing resources from which I could no longer make maxed-out armor. |
| 17:05.57 | End | so it's 7 days from WoW troubles |
| 17:06.03 | zenzelezz | "Star Wars Galaxies is like giving up smoking - each patch helps you quit" |
| 17:06.12 | zenzelezz | funniest comment I've ever read in PC Gamer |
| 17:07.12 | Qzot | Switching compys... |
| 17:07.48 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, lol, I remember that :P |
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| 17:18.35 | Qzot | I have returned. |
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| 17:20.15 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | rawr |
| 17:20.20 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 17:23.28 | Cide | Does anyone in here happen to be on the RPPVP PTR right now? |
| 17:23.56 | Qzot | No. I'm in irc. |
| 17:24.21 | JoshBorke | i can probably hop on it cide |
| 17:24.32 | JoshBorke | what do you need? |
| 17:24.40 | JoshBorke | oooo, only 1 minute slow, that's almost normal! |
| 17:24.59 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hehe |
| 17:25.36 | Cide | I need to be in a raid group :) |
| 17:25.52 | Qzot | Cairenn: You aren't listed as asleep. Are you actually here? |
| 17:26.10 | JoshBorke | i'm on it now, invite hamarian |
| 17:26.55 | Qzot | s/tops/taps/ |
| 17:27.13 | JoshBorke | if you have a buff on you when you copy your char over to PTR, it stays on you :-D |
| 17:27.16 | JoshBorke | 2x fort? |
| 17:27.50 | Osagasu | 2x Dragonslayer. ^_^ |
| 17:28.03 | Osagasu | If anyone downs Ony, at least. |
| 17:28.04 | JoshBorke | ooo |
| 17:30.29 | Qzot | Time for work. Catch you later. |
| 17:34.34 | JoshBorke | later |
| 17:36.55 | Cide | hmm, do you know if CreateFrame inheritance has been implemented yet? |
| 17:37.01 | Cide | on test |
| 17:37.43 | Miravlix | Not sure |
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| 17:39.09 | Cide | doesn't look like it |
| 17:42.15 | JoshBorke | ok, so i'm trying to create a mod that lets you hit a single button to buff a raid. i know that similar things have been done, so i could go look at the other mods, but i'd like to try to re-invent the wheel so to speak |
| 17:42.46 | End | you should invent it square |
| 17:42.53 | End | imho, square wheels are better |
| 17:43.00 | JoshBorke | i'm thinking of creating a queuing system where it is initally setup to have all the buffs i need to cast, then as they are successfully cast it moves them to another que |
| 17:43.20 | JoshBorke | once there are no buffs left in the casting que, it switches over to the casted que |
| 17:43.30 | JoshBorke | would there be a better way? |
| 17:44.17 | AnduinLothar | depends on what You're trying to do |
| 17:44.19 | End | I'm a little confused on why you have a casted queue...does the casted queue becoming the casting queue? |
| 17:44.41 | JoshBorke | ( End ): yes |
| 17:45.00 | AnduinLothar | I've found all-in-ones to be horribly inefficient when trying to account for both class pally buffs and party buffs that everyone else has |
| 17:45.22 | AnduinLothar | there should be a distinction |
| 17:45.23 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): i'm trying to buff each class in a raid in turn, by just hitting a button/calling a function multiple times |
| 17:47.00 | AnduinLothar | well if you're just handling pally blessings it should hit one person from each class, if they are out of range it should catch that from the blessing on the bar and try a different person of the same class. |
| 17:47.05 | Cide | bleh |
| 17:47.17 | Cide | I thought UnitName() returned correct results for the raid at PEW? |
| 17:47.55 | AnduinLothar | if they are out of line of sight and a message pops up it should recognize who is out of site and try a different person of the same list |
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| 17:48.33 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): currently that's what i'm doing, but i need some way to go from class to class. ie, if i run out of people for a certain class, skip to the next class |
| 17:48.45 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): and as far as the cast checking, i'm using SpellCanTargetUnit() |
| 17:49.37 | AnduinLothar | then you should have a sepperate button for clean up, that populates a gui list with who does not have the desired buff |
| 17:50.06 | AnduinLothar | or do the clean up after the queue is empty |
| 17:51.20 | AnduinLothar | clean up being the only one that scans buffs |
| 17:53.53 | AnduinLothar | either that or always scan the buffs but use the showCastable flag |
| 17:54.09 | JoshBorke | hm, currently i'm not even scanning the buffs... |
| 17:54.11 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, bet i could change buffbot to do that, prolly make it faster |
| 17:54.47 | AnduinLothar | ya, i've found ones that don't scan buffs always end up missing someone, but ones that do end up using more symbols... |
| 17:55.20 | AnduinLothar | and then there's times when warriors want salv and then click it off, you don't want to rebuff it |
| 17:55.52 | AnduinLothar | you might have a togglable conservative mode which doesn't scan and one that does |
| 17:56.14 | AnduinLothar | maybe have the scanning one use 5min buffs on the strays who don't have the 15min |
| 17:56.57 | AnduinLothar | basicly the pally buffs are the MOST complicated to keep up and require the most attention |
| 17:57.48 | AnduinLothar | other buffs don't change preference in the middle of a raid |
| 17:57.59 | AnduinLothar | other buffs don't get clicked off |
| 17:58.14 | AnduinLothar | other buffs last at least 30 min |
| 17:58.51 | AnduinLothar | making an all-in-one for other classes is cake |
| 17:59.10 | AnduinLothar | I have yet to see an efficient all-in-one for pallies that i like |
| 17:59.24 | Wobin | Mostly cause pally buffs are the most complex =) |
| 17:59.35 | Wobin | in combination at least |
| 17:59.46 | JoshBorke | ok, gotta go, bye |
| 18:01.59 | JoshBorke | thanks for the input guys :-) |
| 18:04.33 | AnduinLothar | hmm, I think i just made BuffBot drasticly more efficient simply by having it only scan buffable and dispellable buffs |
| 18:05.16 | AnduinLothar | now it only needs to scan like 5 buffs in a raid, per person, instead of 12+ |
| 18:05.34 | AnduinLothar | depending on your # of pallies |
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| 18:06.33 | wereHamster | Cide, shouldn't you wait for RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE? |
| 18:06.47 | Cide | it checks both and still doesn't work |
| 18:07.07 | wereHamster | for all units or just "player" ? |
| 18:07.33 | Cide | I think all units, but it might just be player |
| 18:07.37 | Cide | only had 2 players in the raid |
| 18:11.19 | Kirkburn | Well, I've hit 70% of Ep1 downloaded now :P |
| 18:11.31 | Kirkburn | ... I started on 60% |
| 18:12.06 | Kirkburn | 2 hours for 10% :( |
| 18:13.55 | Kirkburn | Woah, the Pirate Bay downing has had a massive effect on trackers |
| 18:14.34 | Kirkburn | Barely any of the trackers on tvtorrent are working |
| 18:14.34 | kaso | the same thing that happened when nova went down it'll all recover though |
| 18:15.13 | Kirkburn | Natch, I just didn't realise how much went through them |
| 18:21.51 | End | hmm, I like svn:externals |
| 18:25.45 | wereHamster | Is there a way to forbid file comments on wowi? |
| 18:27.55 | Wobin | I'm pretty sure you can disable them |
| 18:28.12 | Wobin | (well .. the functionality is there... whether you as the nonadmin can do it or not is another matter) |
| 18:37.04 | Wobin | http://tmp.4chan.org/wg/src/1149033275915.jpg |
| 18:37.07 | Wobin | SFW |
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| 18:37.46 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 18:38.07 | Cairenn | hey Qzot |
| 18:38.11 | Cairenn | you were looking for me? |
| 18:38.14 | grimman | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6133912955628716829 |
| 18:38.21 | Qzot | Yes, ma'am. |
| 18:38.36 | Cairenn | what's up? besides the fact your update hasn't been approved? |
| 18:38.37 | Kirkburn | This makes me go awwwwww ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_east/5040934.stm |
| 18:39.02 | Qzot | I got a PM that the ManHunt .zip was corrupt. Any ideas what usually causes that? |
| 18:39.14 | Kirkburn | Wobin, WOW |
| 18:39.15 | Cairenn | nope, no idea whatsoever |
| 18:39.18 | zenzelezz | corrupt archives |
| 18:39.20 | zenzelezz | ;-o |
| 18:39.22 | Qzot | k. |
| 18:39.30 | Qzot | So it was claimed. |
| 18:39.34 | Kirkburn | oops, I meant grimman, WOW |
| 18:39.35 | Qzot | They looked good to me. |
| 18:39.51 | Cairenn | anyway, you should be able to edit your upload with a fixed version |
| 18:39.51 | Kirkburn | Wobin, cool :P |
| 18:40.15 | Kirkburn | Qzot, what did you use to make the zip? |
| 18:40.18 | Qzot | Well, I can just hope the problem goes away when v.3 is approved. :D |
| 18:40.26 | Qzot | Winzip. |
| 18:40.38 | Kirkburn | Strange |
| 18:40.38 | zenzelezz | highest setting or highest portable setting? |
| 18:40.55 | Qzot | Same settings I've used for months. Whatever they are. :P |
| 18:41.16 | Cairenn | let me know when you've updated the upload, I'll check it and get it approved |
| 18:41.33 | Qzot | I hadn't realized that having a version pending would hide the addon from everyone until approval. I'll be more careful next time. |
| 18:42.03 | Qzot | I think he must have complained about v.2. He couldn't have had access to v.3, so no update to the upload needed. |
| 18:42.13 | Cairenn | they can still get the archived version |
| 18:42.32 | Qzot | Well, wowi won't let me access the ManHunt page atm. Nothing I can do. |
| 18:42.58 | Cairenn | go to update & upload on the front page |
| 18:43.09 | Cairenn | see if you can access it that way |
| 18:43.35 | Qzot | I can. |
| 18:43.43 | Qzot | Do you not *have* a v.3 at your end? |
| 18:43.46 | Cairenn | so fix the zip |
| 18:44.10 | Cairenn | sec |
| 18:44.31 | Qzot | v.1 and v.2 look just fine when I open them. |
| 18:45.14 | Cairenn | the version in the approval queue, whichever it is, is corrupt |
| 18:45.24 | Cairenn | re-zip and replace the existing |
| 18:45.52 | Qzot | Okay. Do I need to delete it? Or can I upload a new v.3? |
| 18:46.01 | Cairenn | just replace the zip |
| 18:46.19 | Qzot | k |
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| 18:50.04 | Qzot | k. It wouldn't let me call it "11000.3", so it's now called "11000.3b", which doesn't match the code, but that's just tough. :P |
| 18:51.52 | Qzot | Back in about 15 minutes. |
| 18:53.10 | Cairenn | all fixed up, just shows as .3 now |
| 19:07.05 | MentalPower | whats the 1.11 TOC number? |
| 19:07.18 | AnduinLothar | 11100 |
| 19:07.35 | Cairenn | yup |
| 19:07.45 | MentalPower | thats what I thought, thanks |
| 19:11.59 | ckknight | well, 1.11 is just one more than 1.10, so by binary logic, it should be 11001 |
| 19:12.10 | ckknight | then 1.12 will be 11010 |
| 19:15.20 | Kirkburn | Let me be the first to say ... riiiiiight |
| 19:16.00 | Kirkburn | So what happened to all the patches between 10000 and 11000 :) |
| 19:16.20 | End | they no longer exist :P |
| 19:17.02 | Wobin | It's like Preperations A through to G |
| 19:17.08 | End | exactly! |
| 19:17.15 | Cairenn | eww |
| 19:17.28 | End | shush, Cairenn, this is not a matter to be taken lightly! |
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| 19:28.36 | Kirkburn | It's so odd hearing the same of my little town on the news |
| 19:28.52 | Kirkburn | Anyone heard of Sawbridgeworth? |
| 19:29.06 | zenzelezz | the same? |
| 19:29.26 | Kirkburn | yes? |
| 19:30.12 | Kirkburn | All because the beckhams live there :) |
| 19:30.49 | zenzelezz | is this some use of "same" I'm unaware of? I seem unable to see what you could be hearing the same about |
| 19:31.09 | Kirkburn | I don't understand what's going on anymore :( |
| 19:31.19 | Kirkburn | oh lol |
| 19:31.27 | Kirkburn | "name" |
| 19:32.05 | zenzelezz | that clears it up |
| 19:32.16 | Kirkburn | If only I'd been home, I could have gone celeb spotting :P |
| 19:32.32 | Kirkburn | (they had a huge world cup party just over a week ago) |
| 19:33.06 | Maldivia | well, who cares about football... :| |
| 19:33.20 | zenzelezz | heathen! |
| 19:33.21 | Maldivia | (or soccer, for you Americans) |
| 19:36.11 | Kirkburn | I care not for football, but I do find seeing huge crowds of people a road next to my house quite funny :) |
| 19:36.22 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, no! Don't give in to them! |
| 19:36.36 | Cairenn | welcome Qzot |
| 19:37.15 | Maldivia | Kirkburn, well Denmark isn't even at the championships, so why should I care ? :) |
| 19:37.41 | Kirkburn | Don't even let them think it's called soccer :P |
| 19:37.45 | Qzot | zenzeless: Oooo. My favorite HG reference. |
| 19:38.24 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: only a sucker call it soccer? |
| 19:38.44 | Kirkburn | Well, I could think of other names, but 'sucker' will do for now :) |
| 19:38.48 | Qzot | Btw, Cairenn, thanks for the bug report. This last version -- I hope -- should fix that. |
| 19:38.57 | Cairenn | no problem |
| 19:39.23 | Kirkburn | Damn VALVe Content Server 58, give me more bandwidth! |
| 19:39.50 | Qzot | *cough* Let me know if it doesn't, k? |
| 19:40.03 | Kirkburn | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:40.15 | Kirkburn | ~lart End |
| 19:40.31 | Kirkburn | woop |
| 19:40.34 | End | the jolt cola sort of jolt though |
| 19:40.54 | End | thanks for the jolt purl! |
| 19:40.58 | Qzot | Oompah brass ensembles are the epitome of massive band-width. |
| 19:41.17 | Cairenn | Qzot: so far so good |
| 19:41.37 | Qzot | Did you get the pretty blue message? :D |
| 19:41.54 | Kirkburn | Ooh, is it vewy pritty? |
| 19:42.02 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 19:42.11 | Cairenn | pretty blue message? |
| 19:42.22 | Qzot | Much nicer than the nasty red, confusing one. |
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| 19:42.33 | Qzot | Try actually clicking on a town arrow. |
| 19:42.46 | Cairenn | ah ha! much better |
| 19:43.06 | Qzot | Same thing for someone moving too fast. |
| 19:43.13 | Cairenn | good |
| 19:43.13 | Kirkburn | It appears I am downloading from the netherlands |
| 19:43.56 | Qzot | At least, I hope it's the same. Hard to test. |
| 19:44.17 | Kirkburn | hrm, anyone in holland, can you get everyone to turn off their computers please? |
| 19:46.18 | Qzot | I'll starting pinging everyone in Holland, and see if they get the message. That'll help, right? |
| 19:47.26 | Kirkburn | sure it will, there's only like twenty people there |
| 19:47.49 | Qzot | Only 20 people? |
| 19:48.03 | Kirkburn | Sitting in their tulip fields, looking _up_ at the sea |
| 19:48.20 | Kirkburn | They all live in windmills, don't they? Don't they?? |
| 19:48.22 | Qzot | Are they the same ones as in the red light district? |
| 19:48.23 | End | with their wooden shoes! |
| 19:48.35 | Kirkburn | Very wet, wooden shoes :) |
| 19:48.50 | Qzot | And are they the same ones making all that chocolate? |
| 19:49.07 | Kirkburn | Probably |
| 19:49.11 | zenzelezz | 16 million people/20 people... you were close |
| 19:49.35 | Kirkburn | Yeah, like I believe 'statistics' zenzelezz |
| 19:49.47 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 19:50.00 | Kirkburn | ckknight, did you know there's a wowwiki FuBar page? |
| 19:50.09 | ckknight | no |
| 19:50.11 | ckknight | link |
| 19:50.58 | Kirkburn | In a stunning turn of events, it's www.wowwiki.com/FuBar |
| 19:52.13 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:52.15 | ckknight | neat |
| 19:52.18 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:52.40 | Kirkburn | I didn't write it originally, but I sorted some of the stuff on it |
| 19:53.08 | Cairenn | ckknight: you at work or home? |
| 19:53.26 | ckknight | home, I guess |
| 19:53.27 | Qzot | Anyone else have connect problems with WoW? |
| 19:53.27 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:53.35 | Cairenn | Qzot: fine here |
| 19:53.37 | ckknight | I'm working, though |
| 19:53.40 | ckknight | so who's to say |
| 19:53.44 | Elkano | qzot, EU? US? |
| 19:53.54 | Qzot | US. Lagtheridon. |
| 19:53.58 | Qzot | s/Lag/Mag/ |
| 19:54.24 | Kirkburn | hohoho |
| 19:54.27 | Qzot | Hanging at connect. |
| 19:55.51 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:59.58 | Kirkburn | Does that mean people come and poke holes in your hands and feet? |
| 20:00.45 | Kirkburn | "And later we'll have a group crafts class, where we can all make Qzot a crown of thorns" |
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| 20:03.03 | Cairenn | I don't think he'd make a very good crown of thorns, personally |
| 20:03.53 | Elkano | so pls hand me the spear of Longinus... |
| 20:04.14 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:04.56 | Kirkburn | Aww, we're crucifying him ... come back Qzot! |
| 20:05.05 | Elkano | one cross per person |
| 20:05.32 | Kirkburn | Ah, that made me smile :P |
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| 20:14.46 | Kirkburn | Cool, you can get a Scarlet Crusade tabard :D |
| 20:16.13 | Kirkburn | Lol! "HP Mistakenly Distributes Drivers Infected with Virus" http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=33431 |
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| 20:19.22 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 20:20.21 | Elkano | kirkburn, nothing Microsoft hasn't done before :P |
| 20:20.57 | Kirkburn | How is it people always bring it back to MS? :) |
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| 20:21.20 | Elkano | well, you know that the Win95 CD hat a virus on it? |
| 20:21.27 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 20:21.54 | Elkano | was a macro virus in one of the .doc files |
| 20:25.07 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:26.28 | Elkano | ok, I'm not sure if it was only a preview CD, but it's still funny :) |
| 20:27.03 | zenzelezz | our first Win95 came on floppies :-o |
| 20:27.47 | Qzot | Floppies? You had floppies? We had to load our with paper tape. |
| 20:27.54 | Qzot | Through the snow. |
| 20:27.58 | Qzot | Uphill both ways. |
| 20:28.18 | Miravlix | We couldn't load at all, if the system crashed we had to type it all in again. |
| 20:28.30 | Kirov | carrying 100 pounds of books with old piano wire to bind them with |
| 20:28.37 | Miravlix | And it crashed a lot |
| 20:28.37 | Qzot | Yeah. We at least had paper tape. |
| 20:28.55 | zenzelezz | jokes aside, I believe it was 13 floppies |
| 20:28.58 | Qzot | After we toggled in the boot loader from the front console, that is. |
| 20:29.32 | Qzot | Heh. I actually used windows 2.0 for a brief period. |
| 20:29.44 | Qzot | And it's competitor, GEM. |
| 20:29.57 | Miravlix | GEM, Concurent DOS, DOS 1.0 |
| 20:30.17 | Kirov | I had a couple of Windows 1.0 stuff |
| 20:30.19 | Miravlix | I was using PC's back in 1981 the first type with Tape |
| 20:30.28 | Qzot | Ahhh. A secret password to discover the other old farts. |
| 20:30.43 | Miravlix | I still have the machine |
| 20:30.48 | Miravlix | It used to work too |
| 20:30.49 | Qzot | Cool. |
| 20:31.25 | Qzot | I didn't work with a PC until 1984, and not seriously until 1989. |
| 20:31.26 | Miravlix | But it hasn't been stored well for the past many years, so I'm afraid it must be dead by now. |
| 20:31.53 | Miravlix | My father build computers before we could really buy them, but I've never used a Comedore. |
| 20:32.21 | Qzot | Early 80s, I was programming Atari 400/800s. |
| 20:32.31 | Miravlix | Haven't used those either |
| 20:32.46 | Miravlix | I went straight from self build and ZX-81, Microbee to PC's |
| 20:33.16 | Qzot | Spent most of my life on off-machines. |
| 20:33.43 | Qzot | My own homebrew, then Ataris, then Xerox Dorados. |
| 20:34.02 | Miravlix | My father had a clue from the beginning, so PC it was. |
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| 20:34.50 | Kirov | Started on the old "portable" Mac (monitor with the handle on the top), moved to 286, 386, jumped to Pentium 90, then to Celeron 500, then to AMD 64 3200 |
| 20:35.17 | Kirov | My celeron served me well for about 5 years. |
| 20:35.36 | Kirov | it was actually a celeron 333 oced |
| 20:36.41 | Kirov | My dad programmed on custom built mainframes for the most part. |
| 20:37.04 | Miravlix | 8088 80286 80386 80486, hmm, not sure I teouched intel after that |
| 20:37.07 | Miravlix | been AMD |
| 20:37.54 | Miravlix | I have a 80386 Compaq Server in storage, it ran Linux quite fine. |
| 20:40.08 | Miravlix | I never really used Windows, it was CPM, Concurent DOS and stuff like that to run my FidoNet BBS and then straight to OS/2. |
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| 20:41.19 | Miravlix | OS/2 was darn nice, but then I downloaded my first Slackware |
| 20:52.44 | Miravlix | My 400th download aniversary on WoWI |
| 20:52.54 | Miravlix | Break out the kegs! |
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| 20:54.20 | Miravlix | Though, I still have 70K+ on Curse, I need to make some end user addons again. |
| 20:59.11 | Kirkburn | I'm looking at the menu screen for HL2:E1, and it's damn cool :D |
| 20:59.31 | Kirkburn | Oh and /cheer for Miravlix :) |
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| 20:59.58 | grimman | Kirkburn: Character on the left, options on the right? |
| 21:00.03 | Kirov | what's the new menu like? |
| 21:00.47 | Kirkburn | Great use of perspective |
| 21:01.10 | Kirov | screen shot? |
| 21:01.17 | Kirkburn | You're at the bottom of the citadel, looking up it into a maaaasssive red swirling clouds |
| 21:01.45 | Kirkburn | ok |
| 21:02.47 | Kirkburn | (the game hasn't finished downloading, so I'm not sure how I'm able to play it :P) |
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| 21:03.24 | grimman | How much did it cost? |
| 21:03.27 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 21:03.32 | Kirkburn | $23 |
| 21:03.36 | grimman | /wave ComicSansMS |
| 21:03.36 | Kirkburn | Greetings! |
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| 21:03.54 | grimman | Hm... not terribly bad, but since it's not a full game... hmm. |
| 21:04.01 | chuckg | So who's around that intimiately enjoys the UIDropDownMenu system in WoW and wants to hold my hand through a problem? =D |
| 21:04.11 | Kirkburn | Swirling around, bits falling off, explosions, v cool |
| 21:04.38 | grimman | Will all eps cost that much? |
| 21:05.35 | Kirkburn | Most likely |
| 21:05.58 | Kirkburn | The quality of the pic isn't as good as I hoped, but still: http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/6664/oooh8ni.jpg |
| 21:06.22 | Kirkburn | You can see a bit falling off to the left :P |
| 21:06.28 | grimman | Looks... weird. |
| 21:06.47 | grimman | Good, but it looks a bit like some angles are off. |
| 21:06.54 | Kirkburn | Well, it is weird |
| 21:07.02 | grimman | ;) |
| 21:07.24 | Kirkburn | I shall play it forthwith and report my opinion |
| 21:07.28 | grimman | How, if you haven't downloaded it all yet, can you start the game? |
| 21:07.35 | Kirkburn | It's a good question! |
| 21:07.39 | grimman | I know. |
| 21:07.40 | Iriel | chuckg : What's your problem? |
| 21:07.57 | Kirkburn | Probably I've got the first levels, the second half are probably what's streaming in now |
| 21:08.10 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Once you're in there it's very pretty |
| 21:08.22 | Kirkburn | Coolness |
| 21:08.30 | Kirkburn | You finished it? |
| 21:08.32 | Iriel | I played for about 15 minutes before bed last night |
| 21:08.34 | chuckg | Going to give you a brief history so it makes sense. I have a simple event handler which watches whether tradeframe/craft opens, if it does it opens my attached "window". |
| 21:08.38 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:08.38 | chuckg | Inside said window, I have a dropdown. |
| 21:08.55 | chuckg | It's a loadondemand, so it doesn't load until one or the other opens. |
| 21:09.01 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it's got HDR, colour corrections, lots of fancy stuff |
| 21:09.03 | chuckg | If the user opens tradeskill windows first, no problems, no errors. |
| 21:09.09 | chuckg | If the user opens crafting window first, errors. |
| 21:09.25 | chuckg | The crafting/tradeskill windows are the exact same code .. |
| 21:09.34 | chuckg | So it really makes no sense why one is erroring and one is not. |
| 21:09.38 | Iriel | Are you initializing your dropdowns properly? |
| 21:09.50 | chuckg | I must be for the tradeskill to work right... |
| 21:09.56 | Iriel | Well, not necessarily |
| 21:10.14 | Iriel | Also, is the problem that you're breaking the dropdowns, or is it because of nil values coming back from the skill API's ? |
| 21:10.27 | Iriel | I guess I need to know if you're having a dropdown issue or a skill/craft API issue |
| 21:10.28 | chuckg | Nil. |
| 21:10.42 | chuckg | It won't create the dropdown to begin with, it's in the setwidth function. |
| 21:11.01 | Iriel | Can you post your code as a zip, it'll be quicker for me to look at it |
| 21:11.11 | Iriel | My guess is it'll be one of the following: |
| 21:11.41 | Iriel | (1) You're not accounting for the fact that the crafting/tradeskill data isn't necessarily fetched until you ask for it, so it can be nil at first, and then get filled in later (with an accompanying update event) |
| 21:11.43 | chuckg | It's up on WoWi already. |
| 21:11.45 | chuckg | Let me get the link. |
| 21:12.05 | chuckg | Yea, I get that ... but why would trade be 100% fine and not crafting? |
| 21:12.17 | Iriel | (2) You're violating the contract with UIDropdownMenu's, in that you're explicitly invoking operations to build the menu, rather than letting it do your callback. |
| 21:12.21 | chuckg | To make it more interesting, if you load trade then open crafting, no problems. (so it is a loading thing) |
| 21:12.46 | chuckg | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download4999-cgCrafty |
| 21:20.33 | Miravlix | The Craft, Tradeskill, Trainer, Quest frames and API is just pure evil |
| 21:21.01 | chuckg | That's not what I'm having issues with, though. |
| 21:21.06 | chuckg | I can't get my own frames to load properly! |
| 21:21.07 | chuckg | D= |
| 21:21.18 | AnduinLothar | did someone say they were goign to a mariner's game tomorrow? |
| 21:22.48 | zenzelezz | https://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-tech-support-en&t=315024&p=1&tmp=1#post315024 |
| 21:22.51 | zenzelezz | "WE tarded and then he put a present on trade and said the sword was in there, ofc i didnt believe him he said u can trust I won't run and so i did.. :(" |
| 21:23.10 | zenzelezz | oh, he said you could trust him? Well that should show you he's serious |
| 21:29.41 | chuckg | Iriel, it's also weird that there are no errors whatsoever when using MobileFrames, which pre-loads crafting and tradeskill frames although I'm certain the error is generated from my own frame creation. |
| 21:30.04 | AnduinLothar | that's cause MF is leet hax |
| 21:30.14 | chuckg | Indeed. |
| 21:30.38 | AnduinLothar | MF itself IS an error, it's jsut so well hidden it FEELS legit |
| 21:30.40 | chuckg | Mira was telling me to just use your localization drop down example last night, Anduin. |
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| 21:30.58 | chuckg | You said there is a way to do it properly though, no? |
| 21:31.17 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i've given up on using real frames for Dropdowns |
| 21:31.26 | AnduinLothar | I fake out the system with a table |
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| 21:32.46 | Kirkburn | Well that was a VERY cool start |
| 21:32.54 | Kirkburn | Pity about the whole computer turning off bit |
| 21:33.08 | chuckg | Iriel, I can't private message cause I'm not "registered". |
| 21:33.09 | Kirkburn | Probably wasn't in the script |
| 21:35.34 | zenzelezz | was your download completed? |
| 21:35.51 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, me? |
| 21:35.58 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 21:36.01 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 21:36.17 | Kirkburn | Still have something like 100Mb to go |
| 21:36.32 | zenzelezz | might have been pushing your luck then, if that was what you were trying to start :-p |
| 21:36.36 | Kirkburn | The laptop suddenly went into complete overdrive and switched off |
| 21:37.07 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna update my gfx card drivers this time :P I haven't got a error report from windows strangely |
| 21:37.30 | Kirkburn | Not even one saying your PC wasn't shut down properly |
| 21:38.11 | zenzelezz | that message is hit-and-miss |
| 21:38.30 | zenzelezz | sometimes you crash completely and get no warning, other times you shut down properly and still get the message next time you boot |
| 21:39.24 | Kirkburn | Silly, isn't it ... the nVidia drivers I was using were out of date according to game, so I'm going up to the 90 series (ooh) |
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| 21:49.29 | Kirkburn | Restart time |
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| 22:11.52 | AnduinLothar | Now Playing: Surfer Girl - Beach Boys |
| 22:12.31 | AnduinLothar | for all your nostalgic needs, there's KFI radio. No Talk, Never! |
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| 22:18.39 | coreybif | Any LUA developers interested in a contract job to create a data-gathering addon for item and mob information? Or, anyone in here that can direct me to someone who would be? |
| 22:20.29 | wereHamster | coreybif, http://gathereraddon.com/ |
| 22:20.48 | AnduinLothar | not what he means |
| 22:20.57 | chuckg | I think he's looking for a Thott type bot. |
| 22:20.59 | Kalroth | he means something like thottbot/allakhazam/etc. |
| 22:21.18 | coreybif | Right, that's more or less what I'm after. |
| 22:25.13 | coreybif | No interest in working on something like that, eh? |
| 22:26.12 | wereHamster | coreybif, who would I be working for? IGN? |
| 22:27.16 | coreybif | Directly for me and I'm not affiliated with any of the existing gaming websites or companies that are out there right now. |
| 22:33.59 | chuckg | Gathering the data is one thing though, Corey. |
| 22:34.12 | chuckg | Taking it from a LUA format into XML into a site design is a whole 'nother ballgame. |
| 22:34.24 | chuckg | Or from LUA to database, even. |
| 22:34.49 | chuckg | At least, I would think so. |
| 22:34.52 | coreybif | Right, I'm thinking there are three parts to it. LUA, parsing into a database, and then creation of a website. |
| 22:35.22 | chuckg | Also don't forget some type of exe to handle the second, if you're expecting end-users to upload data. |
| 22:36.29 | coreybif | Right, I always leave that part out. Now you an trigger an exe to upload data to a specified location via LUA, correct? For instance, could you trigger the upload when a user opens or closes the WoW client? |
| 22:36.56 | chuckg | Sure. |
| 22:37.28 | coreybif | From what I was told yesterday, you can't upload/download anything while the game is actually connected. That right? |
| 22:37.30 | chuckg | I don't know about closing, but opening you could simply change the shortcut. |
| 22:37.35 | chuckg | Right. |
| 22:37.36 | coreybif | That it has to happen at start up or shutdown. |
| 22:37.49 | chuckg | The data isn't written till the user reload's UI or closes the client. |
| 22:38.26 | chuckg | You could always do it like ctprofiles does though, I don't think they even have an addon. |
| 22:38.32 | coreybif | Huh, I think I missed that part. So you can't actually write out anywhere while the client is connected to the WoW server? It'd have to store everything in that session and wait to write it out all at once? |
| 22:38.38 | chuckg | They just have users upload their itemcache to their site and handle the rest. |
| 22:38.56 | coreybif | I may have misunderstood, but I thought that accessing the itemcache was against the EULA? |
| 22:39.06 | chuckg | www.ctprofiles.net |
| 22:40.49 | Cide | we do have an addon, but not for that purpose |
| 22:42.00 | coreybif | And does anyone know if accessing that itemcache is within Blizzard's EULA? I think I may have misunderstood what was said to me in a previous conversation. |
| 22:43.02 | chuckg | It's probably in game access vs out of game. |
| 22:43.31 | chuckg | Their addon doesn't access the cache, it just records the "XX Item of the Eagle" type stuff and the like. |
| 22:44.23 | clad|afk | its probably against the EULA |
| 22:46.15 | coreybif | Definitely looking to stick within the EULA. From what I understand, gathering data from within the game is more efficient too. |
| 22:47.31 | clad|afk | not more efficient.. just.. better |
| 22:50.49 | coreybif | Is ctprofiles fairly new? |
| 22:51.12 | chuckg | ~2 months? |
| 22:51.13 | purl | well, 2 months is good cycle |
| 22:52.00 | coreybif | That's encouraging for those of us looking to start up new websites. |
| 22:52.20 | chuckg | It's not so much for use as a DB though. |
| 22:52.56 | coreybif | Looks like it focuses on profiles - ctprofiles... Still walking through the site though. |
| 22:53.30 | Qzot | Corey: Can you give us some idea of how what you're doing is different/better than t'bot/alla, without losing your competitive edge? |
| 22:53.55 | Cide | coreybif: yes, it's a character profiling site :) |
| 22:54.46 | coreybif | Honestly Qzot, the first release probably won't be any different. Other than that (and I may be paranoid), I'd rather not go into details regarding what the grand plan is. If/when I secure someone to do the project, I'll definitely get more into the details. |
| 22:55.44 | Qzot | For the record, I'm probably not available because of conflict of interest. But I'm sure others would appreciate even the most ballpark idea of what you're thinking of paying. |
| 22:57.52 | Qzot | (Conflict of interest: I've built scrapers to collect in-game data to be used for researching the social nature of MMOs.) |
| 22:58.12 | coreybif | That's a good question! Honestly Qzot, I'm looking for quotes from any interested parties. I don't have a figure right now. |
| 22:58.32 | Qzot | o.O |
| 22:58.51 | coreybif | Gotcha Qzot, that's understandable. Mind if I ask what project you're working on? Daedelus? |
| 22:59.52 | Qzot | No. PlayOn. We (PlayOn) have hired Nick Yee to work with us as well, but Daedalus is his own, separate project. |
| 23:00.10 | Qzot | You can see some of our results at http://blogs.parc.com/playon |
| 23:00.47 | coreybif | Thanks for the link. I read the Daedelus project here and there and am an avid reader of Terra-Nova. Love this type of stuff. |
| 23:00.52 | Qzot | Daedalus=survey/web-based. PlayOn=quantitative analysis of scraped data. |
| 23:01.38 | Qzot | Lol. If you're interested in paying Parc rates (you aren't), give me a call. :D |
| 23:03.21 | Qzot | And I *am* kidding, because we have to charge an arm and a leg to even sneeze for you. It's sad, really. |
| 23:03.36 | coreybif | Haha, thanks Qzot. To be clear, I'm not expecting to pay $50. I'd just rather not put my ballpark figure out there. During other contracted development projects (non-MMORPG) I generally request a quote instead of putting a price out there. |
| 23:03.54 | coreybif | Gotcha, I caught your drift. :) |
| 23:04.26 | Iriel | That's so you exploit the naive who dont know how much their time is worth? |
| 23:04.29 | Iriel | (partly j/k) |
| 23:04.31 | Iriel | (but mostly not) |
| 23:05.44 | Miravlix | That would be silly since Lua code needs constant maintenance, due to Blizzard breaking things |
| 23:06.10 | Miravlix | You would want a secure and stable relationship with whoever you have working for you. |
| 23:06.13 | coreybif | The plan wouldn't be for this to be a one time thing. |
| 23:06.46 | coreybif | Right, exactly. There are a few things that I'd like help with and we'd have to establish some sort of service agreement as well. |
| 23:06.55 | Qzot | I will say this, Corey. I think we've got a couple ideas for reducing the cost of data collection by a factor of 10 over current techniques. We might be willing to consult, in exchange for you producing high-quality low-level interfaces that would become public. |
| 23:07.25 | Qzot | ...and that we would be able to build atop. |
| 23:08.33 | coreybif | Hrm, I'd definitely be interested in that sort of discussion. I'm not looking to hoarde data, quite the opposite actually. |
| 23:09.12 | Qzot | Better horde data than alliance data, any day. |
| 23:09.18 | chuckg | Hahahahaha. |
| 23:09.21 | chuckg | Nerf paladins. |
| 23:09.25 | krka | lame :( |
| 23:09.40 | Qzot | I prefer class-wide palicide. |
| 23:10.13 | Qzot | And when nelf durids start telling about this cool pally buff, I want to scream. |
| 23:11.01 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Out of interest, why would NE Druids do that? |
| 23:11.28 | chuckg | All NE druids need to do is roll female and /dance, all problems resolved. |
| 23:11.36 | Qzot | I forget which it is, but there's some buff they really like to get from a pally in their party when they're tanking. |
| 23:11.53 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Ah, that makes sense :P |
| 23:11.54 | chuckg | Protection Aura. |
| 23:11.55 | chuckg | The armor one. |
| 23:12.11 | chuckg | Because it multiplies by 3x (?) when they're in bear form. |
| 23:12.13 | Kirkburn|HL2 | chuckg, are you a NE Druid? :) |
| 23:12.15 | chuckg | Total alliance hacks! |
| 23:12.16 | chuckg | Nope. |
| 23:12.28 | chuckg | Tauren druid warstomp > * |
| 23:12.31 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Qzot, you can stop screaming now ... |
| 23:12.39 | Qzot | Yay! for Tauren durids. |
| 23:12.49 | chuckg | But I understand the alliance druid desire to be all that hey can be. |
| 23:12.49 | kaso | chuckg isnt it only armor from items thats multipled |
| 23:12.54 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Yay! for the silence |
| 23:12.57 | chuckg | I'm not sure, but armor is armor. |
| 23:13.05 | chuckg | And when you're stacking near 15k, every little bit counts. |
| 23:13.08 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Armor is armour, bloody americans |
| 23:13.20 | kaso | ha ha |
| 23:13.32 | Cairenn | heh, I'm with you Kirkburn|HL2 |
| 23:13.34 | chuckg | I guess if British is your 'favourite' langauage.. |
| 23:13.38 | Qzot | My current shopping list: the EPL 150 armor ring, the Sunken Temple 193 shoulders, the Idol of Ferocity from BRD... |
| 23:13.43 | chuckg | Now excuse me while I check the loo. |
| 23:13.58 | Kirkburn | Er, okay ... that's a bit of an odd thing to do |
| 23:14.10 | chuckg | I meant "visit". |
| 23:14.12 | kaso | another one is people talking about the pvp honor system, ITS HONOUR SPEAK PROPER! |
| 23:14.18 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:14.20 | chuckg | Manner up. |
| 23:15.20 | Kirkburn | So anyway, HL2 Ep1 is excellent!! |
| 23:15.35 | zenzelezz | then why are you talking on IRC? |
| 23:16.02 | kaso | I had the end spoilt for me, im most unhappy :< |
| 23:16.19 | Kirkburn | Well, don't go spreading the unhappy, you |
| 23:16.39 | Kirkburn | The audio started skipping, so I came to sort it out :) |
| 23:16.55 | Qzot | Cairenn: wowi requires a mod to be in a single category, right? |
| 23:17.01 | kaso | all i can say is dont visit somethingawful forums till you'v finished the game |
| 23:17.04 | Cairenn | correct, at the moment |
| 23:17.22 | zenzelezz | I prefer one-category listings... |
| 23:17.25 | Kirkburn | heh, I've managed to avoid info for 2 days |
| 23:17.27 | Qzot | I can see not wanting people to pollute multiple categories. |
| 23:17.28 | zenzelezz | "what the heck, this thing again!?" |
| 23:17.49 | chuckg | Or the author who wants attention "it fits all categories!" |
| 23:18.04 | zenzelezz | avoid HL2:EP1 info for two days? I'm still avoiding LotR (movie) stuff |
| 23:18.04 | chuckg | You use it in raids, tradeskills, even warlocking! |
| 23:18.06 | Qzot | I prefer one category listings, too, but there are some addons that work for 1-3 classes, and you'd like to see them narrowly focused, but not down to one class. |
| 23:18.45 | Kirkburn | Well, it's obvious ClearFont benefits the UI, warlocks, druids, paladins, rogues, buffing, reading, shopping, shamans, priests, hamster, mice, ... |
| 23:19.00 | Qzot | Guys, I'm agreeing with you. Mostly. |
| 23:19.04 | Kirkburn | s/hamster/hunters/ |
| 23:19.46 | Qzot | Cairenn: Does wowi have a suggestion forum for the website? |
| 23:19.55 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 23:20.04 | Cairenn | naw, we're too dumb to do something like that ... /roll eyes |
| 23:20.20 | Kirkburn | oh sorry ... *cough* ... no |
| 23:20.31 | Cairenn | ~bonk Qzot |
| 23:20.35 | purl | ACTION bonks Qzot over the head |
| 23:20.42 | Qzot | Ow! |
| 23:20.53 | Kirkburn | See, 'bonk' can have another meaning for english kids ... |
| 23:20.55 | zenzelezz | could've just checked the forum list :) |
| 23:21.00 | Cairenn | here, ya lazy sot! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
| 23:21.22 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: I don't "bonk" over the brainpan :p |
| 23:21.24 | Qzot | Cairenn: Can you cut-and-paste that into my browser for me? |
| 23:21.44 | Cairenn | Imma cut and paste you soon :p |
| 23:21.45 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, some might :O |
| 23:21.54 | Qzot | Eww. |
| 23:21.57 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: I don't want to know about it, thanks |
| 23:22.26 | Qzot | Before I post there, how does this sound to you guys: For class-specific mods, be able to select up to 3 classes. |
| 23:22.27 | Kirkburn | :-X |
| 23:22.58 | Kirkburn | That doesn't sound very class specific :P |
| 23:23.05 | chuckg | The ones that are a gray area to me are things that "can" use a library if you have it installed, but don't if you do not. |
| 23:23.16 | zenzelezz | for that matter allow all classes, but require an explanation as to why it fits in every one you want it in |
| 23:23.22 | chuckg | Do you post it under the library? |
| 23:23.28 | chuckg | Or under regular addons? |
| 23:23.33 | Qzot | That should handle the rogue/durid thing, the warrior/durid thing, the collection of casters, the collection of wand users, etc... |
| 23:23.48 | Kirkburn | Regular, I'd say, chuckg, as you don't *need* the library |
| 23:24.00 | chuckg | Even if you prefer the library? |
| 23:24.05 | chuckg | In those cases, would be nice to post to two categories. |
| 23:24.09 | Kirkburn | I'm a museum person |
| 23:24.27 | Cairenn | the only thing that goes in the library section are actual libraries, duh :p |
| 23:24.40 | chuckg | Well I meant like Ace/Non-Ace. |
| 23:24.42 | Qzot | Hmm. chuckg has a point. A petition to the admins for a second category. Authors can't get it automagically? |
| 23:24.46 | chuckg | Or FuBar, non-FuBar. |
| 23:24.52 | Kirkburn | I thought books went in libraries? Or is this some weird universe within a universe thing? |
| 23:24.54 | chuckg | Like TradeCoolDown. |
| 23:25.05 | chuckg | It has a FuBar plugin builtin to it. |
| 23:25.08 | Qzot | Libraries == these which are useful only when used with something else |
| 23:25.09 | chuckg | But he's not listed in FuBar. |
| 23:25.09 | Kirkburn | Every time you open a door to a library, you find ... another library |
| 23:25.31 | chuckg | So users have to specifically know that addon if they're looking for FuBar stuff. |
| 23:25.54 | Kirkburn | That is a good point |
| 23:26.10 | chuckg | Or Catalyst for that matter. |
| 23:26.17 | chuckg | Uses Ace if it's there, or doesn't if it's not. |
| 23:26.19 | chuckg | Same type of idea. |
| 23:26.22 | Kirkburn | But that's not needed any more |
| 23:26.44 | chuckg | I know, just providing examples :) |
| 23:26.44 | Kirkburn | I'm being annoying, I'll stop now :) |
| 23:27.12 | haste | I like cake. |
| 23:27.45 | Kirkburn | Odd, I'm redownloading a huge section of the game |
| 23:28.04 | zenzelezz | maybe you corrupted the downlaod when you tried to start it prematurely |
| 23:28.20 | Kirkburn | Could be, could be |
| 23:28.31 | Kirkburn | It did start just after I validated the files |
| 23:31.21 | Kirkburn | Wow, cool E3 vid! http://www.xfire.com/cms/xf_e3_2006 |
| 23:38.19 | Kirkburn | Ah, very silly |
| 23:48.25 | MentalPower | quick question, which function sets the AFK status? |
| 23:48.42 | Kirkburn | Lol, who remembers the Fox article I linked a few hours ago? Penny Arcade's response: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 23:50.39 | Cairenn | yeah, thought that was amusing |
| 23:52.47 | Kirkburn | Lol, http://www.pvponline.com/ |
| 23:52.47 | kaso | MentalPower : SendChatMessage(msg,"AFK") |
| 23:53.40 | MentalPower | thanks kaso |
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