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| 01:31.57 | grimman | Hai! |
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| 01:55.34 | ckknight | hey |
| 01:56.36 | Cairenn | Hey ckknight |
| 01:58.19 | ckknight | what's up? |
| 02:23.43 | JoshBorke | hey ckknight :-) |
| 02:24.40 | Cairenn | quiet night |
| 02:29.09 | ckknight | yep |
| 02:35.12 | Cairenn | you'd think we all actually had like lives or something O.O |
| 02:35.48 | AnduinLothar | nah |
| 02:37.36 | a-stray-cat | curse lua :< i needs my curly brackets! |
| 02:37.45 | AnduinLothar | ew |
| 02:38.11 | a-stray-cat | they're easier to type than end and make far more sense to me ;p |
| 02:38.43 | ckknight | no. |
| 02:38.45 | ckknight | bad. |
| 02:38.50 | ckknight | you have to go sit in the corner |
| 02:38.55 | ckknight | we have rules here |
| 02:39.15 | a-stray-cat | :< |
| 02:39.37 | a-stray-cat | i cant even read my old mod now :< |
| 02:39.41 | a-stray-cat | its been too long, sigh |
| 02:39.55 | ckknight | honestly, how does } make more sense than end? |
| 02:40.13 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't |
| 02:40.14 | a-stray-cat | because you open with { |
| 02:40.17 | a-stray-cat | ;) |
| 02:40.26 | AnduinLothar | no, you open with a function |
| 02:40.32 | a-stray-cat | you open the block with { |
| 02:40.52 | grimman | It only requires one third of the space! Optimal!!! |
| 02:40.53 | grimman | ;D |
| 02:41.01 | a-stray-cat | clearly. |
| 02:41.10 | grimman | /bother |
| 02:41.33 | ckknight | bad. |
| 02:41.51 | ckknight | { } means nothing |
| 02:41.54 | ckknight | they are just symbols |
| 02:41.58 | a-stray-cat | { } means block! |
| 02:42.04 | ckknight | no it doesn't |
| 02:42.05 | a-stray-cat | end is just three symbols denothing a word. |
| 02:42.12 | a-stray-cat | it could be the end to anything |
| 02:42.16 | ckknight | end ends a block |
| 02:42.18 | ckknight | makes sense to me |
| 02:44.49 | ckknight | {} are just ugly |
| 02:44.50 | ckknight | like ; |
| 02:45.21 | a-stray-cat | ; makes sense too |
| 02:45.26 | a-stray-cat | its the end of a line! |
| 02:45.36 | a-stray-cat | not so much a line as an expression |
| 02:45.48 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.53 | a-stray-cat | if lua didn't allow you to put ; i'd be forever lost ;p |
| 02:46.06 | ckknight | why? |
| 02:46.13 | ckknight | a line is an expression |
| 02:46.24 | a-stray-cat | not in some languages. |
| 02:46.26 | Cide | a line can contain many expressions |
| 02:46.30 | a-stray-cat | ^ |
| 02:46.37 | ckknight | yes, Cide |
| 02:46.43 | ckknight | but typically, you won't |
| 02:46.43 | a-stray-cat | and multiple lines can be used in one expression |
| 02:46.44 | Cide | semi-colon separates them [in many languages] |
| 02:46.49 | ckknight | not in Lua |
| 02:46.51 | ckknight | don't need it |
| 02:46.58 | Cide | you do need it, but usually not |
| 02:47.06 | ckknight | just redundant |
| 02:47.10 | ckknight | you don't need it. |
| 02:47.13 | Cide | yes you do |
| 02:47.20 | Cide | but usually not, like I said |
| 02:47.21 | AnduinLothar | for what? |
| 02:47.29 | Cide | funcName()()() |
| 02:47.32 | ckknight | except for a few fringe cases which you'd never use |
| 02:47.44 | ckknight | Cide, when are you gonna use that in real life code? |
| 02:47.56 | Cide | I'm not, but it still needs to be used |
| 02:47.58 | AnduinLothar | why does that need a semicolon? |
| 02:48.13 | ckknight | a(b)(c)(d) |
| 02:48.27 | ckknight | could be ((a(b))(c))(d) |
| 02:48.36 | ckknight | or a(b);(c)(d) |
| 02:48.43 | Cide | ckknight: I find that semi-colon helps readability, some don't |
| 02:48.50 | Cide | it's not a matter of being right or wrong |
| 02:49.06 | ckknight | I find that they're evil |
| 02:49.10 | AnduinLothar | still confused as to how you need semi colon for that or even what you're trying to accomplish |
| 02:49.16 | ckknight | they are redundant and make things ugly |
| 02:49.25 | Cide | AnduinLothar: point is, lua might misinterpret what you want |
| 02:49.57 | Cide | ckknight: ugly to you ;) |
| 02:50.00 | ckknight | yes |
| 02:50.00 | AnduinLothar | it just interprites accord to rules.. the real problem is more you not knowing how to express yourself.. |
| 02:50.05 | Cide | redundant yes, most of the time |
| 02:50.39 | ckknight | if you write proper code without tricks, never |
| 02:50.43 | AnduinLothar | now if it should be intuitively interprited, that's up to the language writers.. |
| 02:50.58 | Cide | AnduinLothar: the expression a(b)(c)(d) is interpreted according to "the rules", yes. but if you want to separate ((a(b))(c))(d) from a(b);(c)(d) like ckknight said, you need a semi-colon |
| 02:51.27 | a-stray-cat | why the hate for the semi-colon, i dont understand lol |
| 02:51.30 | AnduinLothar | does (c)(d) even do anything? |
| 02:51.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:51.54 | ckknight | (c)(d) == c(d) |
| 02:52.03 | AnduinLothar | are you sure about that? |
| 02:52.06 | ckknight | yes |
| 02:52.14 | a-stray-cat | i need the semicolon simply because i started programmin in languages with a semicolon expression end, and i get confused reading code w/o it |
| 02:52.22 | ckknight | (function(text) print(text) end)("monkey") |
| 02:52.25 | a-stray-cat | its like reading english w/o any punctuation. |
| 02:52.37 | Cide | I'm not that bad, but I still like it |
| 02:52.59 | ckknight | a-stray-cat, the end of a line is the end of a statement, it's where you take a breath |
| 02:53.02 | Cide | besides, if I *don't* use it, I go crazy when I try to write PHP |
| 02:53.10 | ckknight | ew |
| 02:53.10 | ckknight | PHP |
| 02:53.15 | Cide | C++? C? |
| 02:53.17 | ckknight | ew |
| 02:53.18 | Cide | take your pick |
| 02:53.21 | ckknight | though, C's not bad |
| 02:53.23 | ckknight | but C++, ew |
| 02:53.32 | Cide | let's not have that debate |
| 02:53.52 | Cide | but switching from using, to not using, semi-colons... is a pain |
| 02:53.52 | ckknight | oh, I could ;-) |
| 02:53.54 | ckknight | I know em all |
| 02:54.31 | Cide | I've witnessed that debate too many times already :) |
| 02:54.35 | ckknight | hehe |
| 02:54.41 | wereHamster | is unpack() expensive? |
| 02:55.01 | ckknight | typically |
| 02:55.32 | a-stray-cat | ckknight: not everyone uses the end of a line to end a statement, though in lua you have to i guess. |
| 02:55.49 | ckknight | my stance on the matter, and this is all I'll go into it: For low level stuff, use C. For other stuff, use either a dynamic and/or managed language |
| 02:55.53 | wereHamster | I thought the expensive operation was the creation of a new table and not the unpack() .. |
| 02:56.02 | ckknight | not sure on that, then, wereHamster |
| 02:58.02 | ckknight | I see no proper place for C++ nowadays |
| 02:59.22 | ckknight | the main reason it's still alive is because of legacy code |
| 02:59.26 | a-stray-cat | you can write managed c++ :/ |
| 02:59.30 | a-stray-cat | if you really wanted to |
| 02:59.54 | ckknight | well, there's C++/.NET |
| 03:00.06 | ckknight | but I consider that a separate beast |
| 03:00.37 | a-stray-cat | what languages would you use? |
| 03:00.46 | ckknight | what's the project? |
| 03:01.18 | a-stray-cat | dunno. let's say a text editor. |
| 03:01.26 | wereHamster | lua ;) |
| 03:01.27 | ckknight | okay |
| 03:01.29 | ckknight | naw |
| 03:01.34 | ckknight | not Lua for that, I'd say |
| 03:01.36 | ckknight | though you could |
| 03:01.42 | ckknight | I wrote a text editor in python once |
| 03:01.47 | AnduinLothar | obj-c |
| 03:01.48 | ckknight | had a shell in it and everything |
| 03:01.53 | ckknight | like a mini IDE |
| 03:01.57 | AnduinLothar | python works too |
| 03:01.57 | ckknight | without getting in your way |
| 03:02.15 | ckknight | but there are lots of good languages |
| 03:02.23 | ckknight | C#, Java, Python, all sorts |
| 03:03.49 | a-stray-cat | does anyone elses irc randomly scroll when you scroll in your web browser? |
| 03:04.04 | ckknight | nope |
| 03:04.19 | a-stray-cat | how strange. |
| 03:04.20 | ckknight | if I were to do it professionally, I'd probably do it in C# or another .NET language |
| 03:05.26 | a-stray-cat | why don't you like php btw ;p |
| 03:05.41 | ckknight | there are many reasons |
| 03:05.46 | ckknight | for one, lack of namespacing |
| 03:05.47 | Cide | PHP isn't the fastest language, but it's pretty easy to use |
| 03:05.56 | ckknight | PHP tricks you |
| 03:06.05 | ckknight | it lets you think you can get a big project done really quickly |
| 03:06.05 | a-stray-cat | oh? |
| 03:06.09 | ckknight | and so you get to 90% of the way |
| 03:06.12 | ckknight | and you can't do the rest |
| 03:06.19 | a-stray-cat | like what? |
| 03:06.23 | ckknight | plus, maintenance is a bitch |
| 03:06.32 | ckknight | it lets you shoot yourself in the foot too easily |
| 03:06.36 | a-stray-cat | what would you use instead? |
| 03:06.48 | ckknight | I'm hacking with Django now, pretty shiny stuff, there |
| 03:07.43 | ckknight | it's a python based web framework |
| 03:07.59 | ckknight | if you don't know what it is, please check out this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-70449010942275062 |
| 03:08.05 | ckknight | made me switch |
| 03:08.31 | ckknight | I've also used ASP.NET and such, btw |
| 03:08.34 | a-stray-cat | im currently playing around w/ cake |
| 03:09.19 | AnduinLothar | oi asp makes me cry |
| 03:09.26 | ckknight | not ASP, ASP.NET |
| 03:09.32 | AnduinLothar | :P i know |
| 03:09.34 | ckknight | there's a large difference |
| 03:09.39 | AnduinLothar | but just the mention of asp |
| 03:10.44 | ckknight | I much prefer Django anyway |
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| 03:16.35 | a-stray-cat | django sounds like RoR o.O |
| 03:17.38 | a-stray-cat | ah, there's RoR's mention. |
| 03:20.47 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:20.52 | ckknight | it's like RoR, but better |
| 03:21.31 | a-stray-cat | i'll stick to cake for now i think, as i don't know anything about python ;p |
| 03:21.42 | AnduinLothar | python owns |
| 03:23.05 | ckknight | gonna side with AnduinLothar on this one |
| 03:23.26 | a-stray-cat | i need a third monitor. |
| 03:23.32 | AnduinLothar | libraries as good as java without being a pain in the ass to write |
| 03:24.08 | ckknight | hehe, yea |
| 03:25.12 | a-stray-cat | god its hot :< |
| 03:25.21 | ckknight | Python is like the anti semicolon/braces language |
| 03:25.31 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 03:25.33 | a-stray-cat | see, i like semicolons and braces :/ |
| 03:25.44 | AnduinLothar | with forced tabe stop readability |
| 03:26.51 | ckknight | a-stray-cat, do yourself a favor and read Python's tutorial |
| 03:27.00 | ckknight | at least you'll get another perspective |
| 03:27.25 | a-stray-cat | sure |
| 03:28.14 | AnduinLothar | lua feels kinda like python only more flexible and with less libs |
| 03:28.28 | a-stray-cat | so far, django doesn't have anything that cake or RoR doesn't have |
| 03:28.44 | ckknight | automatic admin interface |
| 03:28.49 | AnduinLothar | flexibly written anyway |
| 03:28.59 | ckknight | pretty much, AnduinLothar |
| 03:29.33 | AnduinLothar | spelled out engligh opperators |
| 03:29.38 | ckknight | Python also has proper classes and stuff as well |
| 03:29.48 | ckknight | that's just intricacies, though |
| 03:30.40 | Cide | ckknight: django looks pretty cool |
| 03:30.43 | Cide | I wish I had time to spend |
| 03:30.50 | AnduinLothar | i like the way python can be written like a function language or like a OO language or hybrid |
| 03:31.05 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:31.23 | ckknight | it's more suited to be OO |
| 03:31.33 | ckknight | but sometimes that's not always appropriate |
| 03:31.35 | AnduinLothar | then lua, yeah |
| 03:34.55 | a-stray-cat | argh |
| 03:34.58 | AnduinLothar | that's one thing i dont like about java, i have to make a class to execute a small amount of code |
| 03:35.07 | a-stray-cat | i hate it when people say "earl" for url ;o |
| 03:35.08 | ckknight | yea... |
| 03:35.15 | a-stray-cat | and i have no idea why. |
| 03:35.17 | ckknight | meh |
| 03:35.22 | ckknight | I spell it out |
| 03:35.33 | a-stray-cat | i do too, but some people say earl ;p |
| 03:36.06 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, Boo, a .NET language actually translates the inline code to a class with a proper Main method, kinda neat and transparent-like |
| 03:36.30 | ckknight | so you can just do 'print "hey"' on one line, and it's all peachy |
| 03:36.59 | AnduinLothar | too bad .net isn't very cross platform |
| 03:37.36 | ckknight | Mono is happy |
| 03:37.48 | ckknight | I used to be a Boo developer, that's why I brought it up |
| 03:38.22 | ckknight | it makes sense from a "purity" standpoint to put it in a method in a class, but from a pragmatic one, not so much |
| 03:40.11 | AnduinLothar | i much rather would have a language that allows me to write less code |
| 03:40.56 | ckknight | I like python's clean, but terse syntax |
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| 04:23.32 | JoshBorke | thanks for the quick updates :-) |
| 04:25.10 | Cairenn | you're welcome :) |
| 04:32.28 | End | heheh, just set my UIErrorsFrame to be much bigger :) |
| 04:32.49 | End | real simple to do, but I had to actually do it |
| 05:06.08 | AnduinLothar | yay LB chest and gloves |
| 05:06.24 | a-stray-cat | grats |
| 05:10.51 | AnduinLothar | if you target something how can you tell if it's someone's pet? |
| 05:12.23 | grimman | Name <Player's Pet> |
| 05:12.37 | AnduinLothar | have to scan the tooltip? |
| 05:12.39 | grimman | Provided you see the player. |
| 05:12.45 | grimman | I don't know... but that's one way. |
| 05:13.35 | ckknight | there's a function |
| 05:14.42 | AnduinLothar | byt he name of.. |
| 05:25.07 | a-stray-cat | you may as well scan the tooltip. |
| 05:26.00 | a-stray-cat | you may be able to do something silly like |
| 05:26.37 | a-stray-cat | if( UnitClass("target") == "Warrior" and UnitCreatureType("target") == "beast" ) |
| 05:26.50 | a-stray-cat | i think all hunter pets are warriors |
| 05:26.59 | a-stray-cat | not sure about wild pets |
| 05:27.03 | a-stray-cat | er wild beasts |
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| 05:49.57 | ccarlton | is Cairenn Around? |
| 05:50.06 | Cairenn | she is |
| 05:50.22 | ccarlton | Heh :) sorry.. Slow to read the userlist :) |
| 05:51.45 | ccarlton | brb.. Unregistered on this nick |
| 05:51.50 | ckknight | that's not the real Cairenn! |
| 05:52.35 | Cairenn | yes, it's the real me |
| 05:52.43 | End | lies |
| 05:52.46 | End | check your DNA |
| 05:52.47 | End | make sure |
| 05:52.54 | End | and fingerprints |
| 05:54.00 | ckknight | and urine sample |
| 05:55.17 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 05:57.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | Anyone have a good cosmos mirror? |
| 05:57.41 | AnduinLothar | why do you need a mirror? |
| 05:57.41 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yes I looked at the wiki |
| 05:57.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | I can't seem to see Comosui.org |
| 05:58.10 | Nomad_Wanderer | error message or something |
| 05:59.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | Am I the only one? |
| 05:59.18 | Cairenn | "phpBB : Critical Error |
| 05:59.18 | Cairenn | Could not connect to the database" |
| 05:59.32 | Cairenn | I just tried |
| 05:59.36 | Nomad_Wanderer | Cool.. Thought it was the orzo (or whatever you call the greek liqour0 |
| 06:00.19 | Nomad_Wanderer | So, I just reformatted, am rebuilding my UI, so need a fairly recent Cosmos mirror... any ideas? |
| 06:00.29 | Cairenn | ouzo :p |
| 06:00.42 | Nomad_Wanderer | that works too |
| 06:00.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | it's surprisling good stuff |
| 06:01.18 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4354 |
| 06:01.23 | Nomad_Wanderer | Danke |
| 06:01.27 | Cairenn | bitte |
| 06:01.51 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: you see that? |
| 06:02.21 | Nomad_Wanderer | That doesn't have the exe in it though.... any place to get the new exe? |
| 06:02.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | he saw it |
| 06:02.31 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:02.41 | AnduinLothar | i told thott, he's afk |
| 06:02.52 | Cairenn | thott site itself is still up |
| 06:02.59 | AnduinLothar | diff servers |
| 06:03.13 | AnduinLothar | most likely a domain error |
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| 06:03.15 | Cairenn | Nomad_Wanderer: yes it does |
| 06:03.40 | Nomad_Wanderer | oops.. that was the ouzo talking.. it's there |
| 06:03.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:03.49 | Nomad_Wanderer | thanks |
| 06:05.37 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'm starting to think reformatting wasn't such a good idea... Of course It's always after that you remember you had HL2:episode1, Oblivion and MP3's to back up |
| 06:08.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | Anyone Else a Ghost in the Shell fan? |
| 06:10.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | <-- am watching "Second Gig - Vol 5" while rebuilding UI |
| 06:14.00 | Nomad_Wanderer | The UI efficiencies that Catalyst provides are being added to the stock interface in 1.11 righ? |
| 06:14.03 | Nomad_Wanderer | right? |
| 06:14.15 | AnduinLothar | something liek that |
| 06:14.41 | Nomad_Wanderer | cool.... thanks |
| 06:19.04 | Nomad_Wanderer | BossPanel or Titan? |
| 06:21.02 | Cairenn | boss (now known as FuBar) |
| 06:21.07 | Cairenn | mo |
| 06:21.15 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 06:21.18 | Nomad_Wanderer | imo -rgr |
| 06:22.03 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat86.html |
| 06:34.48 | Miravlix | Some people, compressing cats and putting them for download |
| 06:35.04 | Nomad_Wanderer | doesn't that hurt the cats? |
| 06:36.09 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 06:36.19 | Miravlix | Depends on the compresion ratio |
| 06:36.41 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yeah.. I was never a fan of cats either.. more of a dog person myself |
| 06:37.40 | Miravlix | this isn't the physoligcal problem help line, your dog tendensies is not something we can program away for you. |
| 06:38.46 | Nomad_Wanderer | It isn't? I guess I'm in the wrong place then |
| 06:39.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | I guess I'm just getting tired of hitting "Protect Selection" 49 times in a row. |
| 06:42.59 | Nomad_Wanderer | I both like and hate the new cosmos patcher at the same time |
| 06:43.32 | Miravlix | Why dont you use protect all non cosmos? |
| 06:43.58 | Miravlix | It's one button every time you install an addon and no searching |
| 06:44.22 | Nomad_Wanderer | uh.. because that didn't exist when I learned the new Cosmos patcher UI... |
| 06:44.23 | Nomad_Wanderer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.30 | Nomad_Wanderer | That's a cool button |
| 06:44.56 | Nomad_Wanderer | Then again it might be the ouzo talking. |
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| 07:25.40 | AnduinLothar | night |
| 07:25.46 | Cairenn|sleep | night all |
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| 08:56.41 | Wobin | Damnit |
| 08:57.28 | Wobin | Where is there a shady goods dealer on Kalimdor for Alliance? |
| 09:03.34 | Gngsk | booty bay |
| 09:03.38 | Gngsk | wait |
| 09:03.40 | Gngsk | lol |
| 09:03.46 | Elkano | Darnassus? |
| 09:03.58 | Gngsk | I think he's asked this before |
| 09:05.16 | Wobin | Never got an answer, either =P |
| 09:06.01 | Wobin | So hard to quest for any period of time without some level of shady goods dealer within at least one gryphon flight =( |
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| 10:15.30 | Shouryuu|Joy | rawrr |
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| 10:46.46 | Shouryuu|Joy | L'heureux mix et Marguerite |
| 10:46.53 | Shouryuu|Joy | sorry mt |
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| 11:44.01 | ckknight | this is kinda neat: http://vs.ytmnsfw.com/ |
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| 12:33.45 | zenzelezz | I wonder if the Swedish police are starting to wish they hadn't done anything to Pirate Bay yet |
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| 12:58.28 | Shouryuu|Joy | Why's that Zenz? |
| 13:00.15 | zenzelezz | they seem to be getting a good deal of bad publicity for it |
| 13:00.27 | Shouryuu|Joy | lol |
| 13:06.59 | Miravlix | They are only getting bad press, because they did bad |
| 13:07.04 | Shouryuu|Joy | AnduinLothar About the cosmos Wiki, is putting a screen-shot for every addon a bit overkill? |
| 13:07.30 | Miravlix | If they had handled it propperly they wouldn't have created a media storm |
| 13:07.44 | zenzelezz | Miravlix: yeah |
| 13:07.52 | Shouryuu|Joy | How did they mis-handle it? |
| 13:08.34 | zenzelezz | for one thing they took all the servers at the host, not just the right ones; and the ones unrelated to Pirate Bay have not yet gotten theirs back according to Slashdot |
| 13:08.50 | Miravlix | They emptied a co-location server room, but only had a warrent for taking TPB's computers |
| 13:09.07 | Miravlix | They emptied TWO co-location rooms actually. |
| 13:09.20 | Wobble | It wasn't handled very professionally =P |
| 13:09.26 | Wobble | ZOMG PIRATS |
| 13:09.31 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 13:09.51 | Miravlix | And it looks like there is no legal reason to take TBP down in Sweden |
| 13:10.08 | Miravlix | And then there is the rumor the Justice department ordered the raid due to US preasure. |
| 13:10.25 | Miravlix | Thats simply going to cost the ministers his job |
| 13:13.11 | Wobble | Sweden is the land of the free anyway |
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| 13:28.15 | Miravlix | With all these sucky goverments, it's nice to see the Danish one just passed a law to make Open Standards a standard for the goverment |
| 13:28.41 | Shouryuu|Joy | Open Standards? |
| 13:36.24 | Shouryuu|Joy | What are those? |
| 13:37.08 | zenzelezz | from the sound of it I would guess the decided to only use open standards, like the OpenDocument and whatnot |
| 13:37.53 | Shouryuu|Joy | Open to everyone? |
| 13:38.17 | zenzelezz | open as opposed to proprietary; but that's just my guess |
| 13:38.25 | zenzelezz | +/- spelling |
| 13:38.35 | Shouryuu|Joy | :P |
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| 13:42.15 | Shouryuu|Joy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.35 | Shouryuu|Joy | Kirkburn, is putting a screenshot for every addon on the Cosmos wiki a bit overkill orrrrrr? |
| 13:42.43 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 13:42.49 | Kirkburn | It's a good idea |
| 13:43.06 | Shouryuu|Joy | Weee |
| 13:43.13 | Kirkburn | For the obvious ones anyway :) |
| 13:44.05 | Shouryuu|Joy | And now because of you I want to watch Green Wing seasons 2 and 3 :( |
| 13:44.09 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 13:44.18 | Kirkburn | There may not be a season 3 :( |
| 13:44.32 | Shouryuu|Joy | Oh, I though I'd seen it on the web... |
| 13:44.50 | Kirkburn | Season 2 just finished, and there will be one more at christmas |
| 13:45.24 | Kirkburn | I'm glad you like it though :D |
| 13:45.36 | wereHamster | funny combatlog message: "Your %s misses you." |
| 13:45.45 | Kirkburn | awwwwww |
| 13:46.06 | Shouryuu|Joy | hehe |
| 13:46.10 | wereHamster | "You evaded your %s." |
| 13:46.19 | Shouryuu|Joy | what is %s anyways |
| 13:46.36 | wereHamster | and lastly "You dodged your %s." |
| 13:47.45 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 13:47.46 | wereHamster | "You hit yourself, but you are immune." |
| 13:47.57 | wereHamster | *ouch* |
| 13:48.00 | Kirkburn | %s = wife |
| 13:48.54 | Shouryuu|Joy | lol |
| 13:49.10 | Shouryuu|Joy | I am such a geek |
| 13:49.30 | Shouryuu|Joy | I played mario mini-games on game cube with some friends alllll night |
| 13:49.36 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 13:49.47 | Shouryuu|Joy | and my hand hurts so bad from trying to push buttons as fast as I could |
| 13:51.10 | Shouryuu|Joy | And this <br> on wiki is going to kill... I keep forgeting it |
| 13:53.42 | Kirkburn | You don't need to use <br> |
| 13:53.56 | Shouryuu|Joy | I don't? |
| 13:54.13 | Kirkburn | Just put a line space between text lines, same effect |
| 13:54.35 | Shouryuu|Joy | Ahh pressing enter twice? |
| 13:54.38 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 13:54.47 | Shouryuu|Joy | cool |
| 13:57.57 | Kirkburn | Ooh, this album is cool Hed Kandi - Serve Chilled' |
| 14:02.24 | Shouryuu|Joy | What's that? |
| 14:03.33 | Kirkburn | Hed Kandi is like Ministry of Sound |
| 14:03.41 | Shouryuu|Joy | oh nice |
| 14:03.58 | Kirkburn | But I'd say the music is more refined :) |
| 15:04.28 | Wobble | heh |
| 15:04.44 | Wobin | I just watched Ultraviolet |
| 15:04.59 | Wobin | Milla Jovovitch looked good |
| 15:05.06 | Wobin | Pity about the rest of the movie =P |
| 15:07.19 | Shouryuu|Joy | hehe |
| 15:07.32 | Shouryuu|Joy | Done with PatLabor WXIII |
| 15:07.42 | Shouryuu|Joy | Which is about 10 000 better than the first one |
| 15:08.01 | Shouryuu|Joy | Some good 'ol crude violence |
| 15:11.11 | Wobin | The violence was fun |
| 15:11.23 | Wobin | The quality of the DVD was lacking for that really nice detail however |
| 15:11.31 | Wobin | But hey, I paid 7rmb for it |
| 15:13.54 | Thrae | Anyone know how Lua handles two-dimensional integer tables? Is it better to make it a height*width hash? |
| 15:15.43 | Wobin | what like womble[1][2]? |
| 15:15.53 | Thrae | Right. |
| 15:16.01 | Wobin | Handles it normally I'd expect |
| 15:16.08 | Wobin | how would you expect it to handle? |
| 15:17.02 | Thrae | Well I'm an old C coder, where it was often easier and better to use a height*width hash for some 2d tables. |
| 15:17.34 | Wobin | Everything in lua is a table, essentially =) |
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| 15:17.47 | Thrae | But now that I think about it, if I did height*width, I'd have to resize the array a lot more then I should. |
| 15:18.13 | Wobin | it doesn't assign nil values to 'missing' spots |
| 15:19.05 | Thrae | Well, in my example of height*width, I knew how big my array needed to be and we'd never resize it. In my Lua code, I don't know how big it'll be. |
| 15:19.14 | Thrae | So [][] it is. |
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| 15:23.48 | Cairenn | morning Kael |
| 15:24.11 | Kaelten | monring |
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| 15:26.59 | cladhaire | Morning. |
| 15:27.05 | Cairenn | hey cladhaire |
| 15:27.08 | cladhaire | Morning Kaelten |
| 15:27.16 | Kaelten | heya clad |
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| 15:45.46 | Kirkburn | This just came up on the forums ... notice anything odd about these maps? (except the skull bit, obviously) |
| 15:45.47 | Kirkburn | http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/basics/events/scourgeinvasion/ss6.jpg |
| 15:46.37 | Kirkburn | i.e. the new zone above azshara, new zone by kharazan |
| 15:47.33 | Kirkburn | Comparison of the current EK map, and Scourge Invasion map: http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5236/newworldmap2kt.jpg |
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| 15:50.46 | Wobin | k |
| 15:50.49 | Wobin | That looks weird |
| 15:51.48 | Kirkburn | The Kalimdor zone is right where 'Timbermaw Hold' currently stands (not the passageway hold) |
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| 16:53.38 | JoshBorke | there's a lot wrong with the map |
| 16:54.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's that map from? :o |
| 16:56.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, the euro scourge invasion site |
| 16:57.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | ours doesn't have the zones defined, just a world map with the zones that are under attack highlighted |
| 17:33.46 | grimman | Morning. |
| 17:34.10 | Cairenn | hi grimman |
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| 17:57.50 | zenzelezz | when you friends list says someone's at "Ahn'Qiraj", are they inside one of the instances or outside? |
| 17:58.18 | Cairenn | could be either, if Ahn'Qiraj is like most of them |
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| 18:00.11 | Shouryuu|Joy | boo! |
| 18:00.17 | Cairenn | eek! |
| 18:00.21 | zenzelezz | I know one of them shows a full name (think it was "The Temple of Ahn'Qiraj"), and I've seen "The Gates of Ahn'Qiraj", so I suppose it could be inside... but it sounds odd that it's not a fuller name |
| 18:00.23 | Shouryuu|Joy | Woohoo! |
| 18:01.16 | Cairenn | why for woohoo? |
| 18:01.24 | Shouryuu|Joy | Because I scared you! |
| 18:01.28 | Cairenn | ah |
| 18:01.35 | Cairenn | meanie |
| 18:01.41 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: dunno |
| 18:01.46 | Shouryuu|Joy | :( |
| 18:03.11 | Cairenn | s'okay, I forgive you |
| 18:04.41 | Shouryuu|Joy | Wooohooo! |
| 18:04.46 | Shouryuu|Joy | Joy and good mood |
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| 18:12.47 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, you could, er, ask them? |
| 18:13.31 | Kirkburn | Gawd, two Shouryuus, save us! |
| 18:14.32 | Cairenn | that's *almost* as scary as two mes |
| 18:22.39 | Kirkburn | But I'm a Vulcan! |
| 18:23.00 | Kirkburn | Cairenn is speciesist :( |
| 18:23.02 | Cairenn | and I'm Mary-Queen of Scots, your point? |
| 18:23.36 | grimman | zenzelezz: Afaik, "Ahn'Qiraj" is AQ40, Gates is outside and Temple is AQ20. |
| 18:23.44 | Kirkburn | Well the scots have a speciesist Queen then. I hope you don't impose your views on your loyal subjects :( |
| 18:23.51 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:26.14 | Cairenn | the definition of scary is knowing that if there were enough deaths, you are actually in line for the throne of england ... |
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| 18:41.34 | JoshBorke | er, are we supposed to get durability loss from dueling? |
| 18:41.44 | MentalPower | no |
| 18:41.53 | JoshBorke | interesting |
| 18:42.12 | MentalPower | you're only supposed to get durability loss from PvE activities |
| 18:42.19 | JoshBorke | yea, i'll have to check |
| 18:42.34 | Cairenn | Are you getting loss from duelling, JoshBorke? |
| 18:42.42 | MentalPower | PvP activities should not incurr any durability loss whatsoever (either from fighting or from deaths) |
| 18:43.02 | JoshBorke | ( Cairenn ): i think so, i'm going to double check once i land |
| 18:43.31 | Cairenn | no offense, but I hope you are ... it'll mean what I was seeing today wasn't just my imagination |
| 18:43.33 | grimman | Afaik hunters get dura loss from shooting. |
| 18:43.36 | Cairenn | and I'm not crazy |
| 18:43.42 | JoshBorke | lol, i agree cairenn |
| 18:43.42 | grimman | Always. |
| 18:43.48 | JoshBorke | i also get dura loss in AB |
| 18:44.28 | Kirkburn | This is like a question I ask every single day, but what's the reloadui command again? |
| 18:44.38 | Cairenn | I was playing on the stupid PvP server and I had some ??? killing me and I was losing durability, but I thought it must just be my imagination |
| 18:44.39 | JoshBorke | i use /script ReloadUI() |
| 18:45.05 | Cairenn | or /console reloadui |
| 18:45.18 | Kirkburn | Ta ... I'm updating the wiki. Anyone feel like updating the severly out of date UI Customization guide? |
| 18:45.20 | JoshBorke | though lately i just use DevTools /reload |
| 18:45.25 | Kirkburn | I shall put both :) |
| 18:46.01 | Cairenn | I'm not helping one teeny little bit, since no one would help me with the FAQ update even though I pleaded and begged :p |
| 18:46.20 | grimman | Sounds like my guild. ^^ |
| 18:46.29 | Cairenn | that's why it *still* isn't updated :p |
| 18:47.21 | Cairenn | aaaanyway, I'm out for a while, later guys |
| 18:47.32 | grimman | Later. |
| 18:47.58 | Thrae | Do frames NEED to be named if you do SetPoint() ? I'm getting errors if I do something like data["_size"] = data["_size"] + 1; table.insert(data, CreateFrame(...)); b = data[ data["_size"] ]; b:SetPoint("TOP", data[ data["_size"]-1 ], "BOTTOM"); |
| 18:48.18 | Thrae | Where data._size > 1 |
| 18:49.04 | Thrae | It says I'm doing <unnamed>:SetPoint() |
| 18:49.24 | MentalPower | Cairenn|afk: I must've missed thos pleads/begs. Whatcha need? |
| 18:49.47 | grimman | Well... seems to me you have to ID the frame somehow in order to change its properties, Thrae. |
| 18:50.22 | Thrae | grimman, you'd think it's pointer would be enough... |
| 18:50.54 | grimman | If you say so. ;P |
| 18:51.09 | Thrae | Maybe they require an ID to allow dynamically created frames to exist along side static XML frames? |
| 18:51.12 | grimman | I'm not very experienced with frames and such myself. |
| 18:51.26 | JoshBorke | totally taking dura damage |
| 18:51.35 | grimman | JoshBorke: Class? |
| 18:52.16 | JoshBorke | rogue vs paladin, started at 100% durability, ended with 1 point lost on legs |
| 18:52.23 | grimman | I see. |
| 18:52.32 | grimman | Do some extended duelling then and compare to PVE. |
| 18:52.57 | Thrae | I thought durability lost from hits in PvP was expected, just not durability lost from death? |
| 18:53.15 | grimman | That's kinda what I've experienced. |
| 18:53.17 | JoshBorke | should i lose durability in a duel? |
| 18:53.54 | Thrae | Maybe a point or two, yeah. It's a gold sink, aka time sink. |
| 18:54.24 | Thrae | Ooo, I'm getting errors without BugSack collecting them -- awesome! |
| 18:54.42 | Thrae | BugSack: An error has been recorded. /bs show "You have no errors, yah!" |
| 18:55.04 | Kirkburn | Heh, I feel slightly guilty that I've kinda taken the kirkburn.eu url away from a scottish town. Can't imagine any others that would try that address :/ |
| 18:57.58 | JoshBorke | hm, i guess you're supposed to get dura damage from dueling... |
| 18:59.09 | JoshBorke | couldn't find anything in the patch notes saying you shouldn't |
| 19:02.11 | JoshBorke | 5 minute duel netted me 5% |
| 19:12.21 | Shouryuu|yoJ | rawr out |
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| 19:23.41 | Thrae | I was wrong with the naming thing before, my assignment logic was wrong. |
| 19:24.33 | grimman | Speak. |
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| 19:27.01 | grimman | *gasp* First time I ever experience queueing on DB. |
| 19:28.46 | End | oh god |
| 19:28.52 | End | I forgot about devilsaurs |
| 19:29.09 | grimman | hehe |
| 19:29.24 | End | it's been a while since I've had to worry about them |
| 19:29.29 | grimman | ^^ |
| 19:29.56 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:30.00 | grimman | Cuuute. Blizzard downloaded refuses to shut down. |
| 19:30.07 | grimman | downloader* |
| 19:30.22 | grimman | /terminate process |
| 19:30.23 | grimman | ;P |
| 19:36.58 | Kirkburn | I've only ever been in a queue once on DB, a few months ago |
| 19:37.35 | Kirkburn | I was quite shocked :) Lovely people though, so it was worth waiting ;) |
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| 20:13.08 | Iriel | afternoon all |
| 20:14.34 | zenzelezz | greetings |
| 20:15.38 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 20:23.47 | Kirkburn | meow |
| 20:24.44 | JoshBorke | oink |
| 20:26.53 | grimman | Bleh... I was overrun in a single-player map of Starcraft. Disappointing. |
| 20:47.01 | AnduinLothar | hey iriel, two questions: Do you know any way to check if the current target is either a vendor or a pet? |
| 20:47.14 | Iriel | Without tooltip scanning? no. |
| 20:47.59 | grimman | If I want event names for OnEvent, do I need to do myFunction(event);? |
| 20:48.10 | Cide- | no, the event variable is global |
| 20:48.16 | Kalroth | isn't there an api call to check if you can start a trade with a target? |
| 20:48.22 | Kalroth | or is that only for distance? |
| 20:48.30 | grimman | Hm, thought so. |
| 20:48.33 | Iriel | Kalroth : that'd also catch enemies and critters |
| 20:48.43 | Kalroth | yup |
| 20:48.47 | Kalroth | if it's the distance thing only |
| 20:49.08 | Kalroth | but the easy difference between a vendor and a pet is that you can't trade with a pet :) |
| 20:49.17 | Iriel | You can't trade with a vendor either |
| 20:49.23 | Iriel | you can right-click-to-activate-them |
| 20:49.26 | Kalroth | >< |
| 20:52.19 | AnduinLothar | how would you do it with tooltip scanning? |
| 20:52.29 | AnduinLothar | pet yes.. but vendor? |
| 20:52.32 | grimman | Find Vendor or Pet? ;P |
| 20:52.39 | Iriel | Look for the <Blah's Pet> or <Blah Vendor> in the 2nd line |
| 20:52.45 | AnduinLothar | it says vendor in the tooltip? |
| 20:52.48 | grimman | But that's prone to error. |
| 20:52.50 | grimman | Not always. |
| 20:52.56 | AnduinLothar | yeah.. |
| 20:53.03 | Iriel | yeah, it's not exactly bulletproof, but i'd imagine you can get close enough |
| 20:53.04 | grimman | It's the "guild part" that contains vendor sometimes. |
| 20:53.07 | End | and sneaky player can fool you :P |
| 20:53.08 | Iriel | It'd require localization |
| 20:53.17 | Iriel | You can detect players though |
| 20:53.21 | End | true |
| 20:53.34 | AnduinLothar | ya and pets show up as not players |
| 20:53.46 | Iriel | Pets are easier |
| 20:53.55 | AnduinLothar | other wise you could check against humanoid classes |
| 20:53.56 | Iriel | because you have UnitPlayerControlled and not UnitIsPlayer |
| 20:53.57 | grimman | But that's not bulletproof, as you say, either. |
| 20:54.07 | AnduinLothar | ahh |
| 20:54.15 | grimman | Since if the owner is out of sight-range the pet will turn up as a red non-attackable mob. |
| 20:54.18 | zenzelezz | I remember signing someone's charter once... next time I opened my character window I was a member of something "<something or other> Vendor" |
| 20:54.19 | AnduinLothar | that would work, didn't know about UnitPlayerControlled |
| 20:54.27 | zenzelezz | -something |
| 20:54.31 | Iriel | though i'm not sure what happens with mind control and the like |
| 20:55.13 | AnduinLothar | ok, well what i'm trying to do is not log pets, so that's fine, wont be logging mc'd either |
| 20:55.25 | grimman | *cringe* adding all sorts of debug stuff in my addon and it turns out my dependency was disabled. |
| 20:55.36 | End | depends on the mind control I think |
| 20:55.54 | End | hmmm |
| 20:56.35 | Iriel | AnduinLothar ; Are you doing all units, or just mouseover and target? |
| 20:56.40 | grimman | Doesn't MCs get "<x's minion>"? |
| 20:56.41 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : In your scans, that is |
| 20:56.46 | AnduinLothar | just target |
| 20:57.10 | AnduinLothar | I could do mouseover.. |
| 20:57.20 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Because i've found there are some weirdnesses that happen with distant party members when you do stuff via the unit frames |
| 20:57.25 | AnduinLothar | but I'm also making sure they're within 5 yards.. |
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| 20:57.42 | AnduinLothar | so i can log the coords |
| 20:57.46 | Iriel | Namely, they dont always show up as player controlled. |
| 20:57.55 | AnduinLothar | ya, not gonna be a problem |
| 20:59.32 | AnduinLothar | only way of getting vendor's i've found is to hook WorldFrame OnClick and scan the tooltip of the mouseover unit and then if the vendor frame pops open it was a vendor.. |
| 20:59.54 | Iriel | and even then you only know that it was a vendor IF they interacted |
| 21:00.02 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 21:00.08 | Iriel | isn't it easier to hook the vendor frame and check the npc unit? |
| 21:00.27 | AnduinLothar | how? |
| 21:00.50 | AnduinLothar | you mean check mouseover when the frame opens? |
| 21:01.07 | Iriel | No, there's an "npc" unit |
| 21:01.11 | Iriel | for the npc you're interacting with |
| 21:01.13 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 21:01.21 | AnduinLothar | news to me |
| 21:01.29 | Iriel | I'm not sure of the times it's valid though |
| 21:01.38 | Iriel | It's not normally a particularly useful one |
| 21:01.40 | AnduinLothar | why isn't that documented on the wiki unit page? |
| 21:02.05 | Iriel | It is |
| 21:02.09 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_UnitId |
| 21:02.26 | AnduinLothar | zomg... ninja added |
| 21:02.32 | Iriel | Hardly |
| 21:02.38 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 21:02.40 | Iriel | I wrote that page, it was in the first version 8-) |
| 21:03.01 | AnduinLothar | 2nd version acording to history :P |
| 21:03.23 | Iriel | Same day as the first, so it's the first version to me 8-) |
| 21:03.26 | AnduinLothar | ok, well call me unboservant |
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| 21:03.53 | Iriel | You should be able to register for the vendor buy window event (whatever that one is) and then check the npc unit |
| 21:04.11 | AnduinLothar | aye or hook the onshow |
| 21:04.21 | Iriel | Yeah, the event is cleaner tho |
| 21:04.22 | AnduinLothar | ok, well that makes my life a tad simpler |
| 21:04.42 | AnduinLothar | aye, if it's the same event for all of them |
| 21:04.56 | Iriel | You'll need to test it, of course, as I said npc isn't one of those unit id's that anyone uses much |
| 21:05.16 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 21:05.22 | AnduinLothar | well, i found a use |
| 21:05.46 | AnduinLothar | good thing too, scannign tooltips on worldframe click woulda sucked |
| 21:09.18 | grimman | Bleh, I want the new zone embedded in the zone-change event. |
| 21:09.32 | Iriel | Can'd you just ask the API for the current zone? |
| 21:09.38 | grimman | I can. |
| 21:09.45 | grimman | But it seems more efficient to have it embedded. |
| 21:17.15 | wereHamster | "npc" is also the player you're trading with.. |
| 21:17.43 | Iriel | handy |
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| 21:30.43 | Kalroth | Cide-: what was the healing link again? :) |
| 21:31.04 | Cide- | www.ctmod.net/calculator.ct |
| 21:31.39 | Kalroth | many thanks |
| 21:38.30 | AnduinLothar | mmm, is there a way to get item min level w/o tooltip scan? |
| 21:40.04 | kaso | I dont think so |
| 21:46.34 | MoonWolf | doesnt getiteminfo return it ? |
| 21:47.08 | grimman | No. |
| 21:50.22 | grimman | Hm, weird. message(); stopped working for me for a couple of minutes. |
| 21:50.39 | Iriel | do you have anything that hooks it? |
| 21:50.45 | grimman | Nop. |
| 21:51.00 | kaso | do you have improved error frame, i think that ballsed up error() and message() for me one time |
| 21:51.09 | Iriel | and you didn't have one already open behind another frame? |
| 21:51.24 | grimman | kaso: Nop. Iriel: Nop. |
| 21:51.34 | grimman | That's why it's weird. ;P |
| 21:51.35 | Iriel | Odd then |
| 21:51.38 | kaso | It is a mystery |
| 21:51.50 | grimman | Well, it works now. Not that I rely on it anyway. ;) |
| 21:52.28 | kaso | grimman GetItemInfo does retyrn min item level |
| 21:52.36 | kaso | 4th return |
| 21:54.44 | grimman | Isn't the 4th return the item quality? |
| 21:55.16 | Cide- | grimman: do you happen to use CT_RaidAssist? |
| 21:55.30 | grimman | Doh, no... my bad, I was thinking of GetContainerItemInfo. |
| 21:55.32 | Cide- | I had a variable named message that I forgot to declare as global there for a while |
| 21:55.33 | grimman | Cide-: Yes. |
| 21:55.43 | grimman | Hm. |
| 21:55.46 | Cide- | s/global/local/ |
| 21:56.24 | grimman | That might have been it. |
| 21:57.05 | kaso | is the whole s/thing/otherthing some php thing i dont know or something like that |
| 21:57.30 | Cide- | nah, just string replacement :) |
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| 21:57.57 | kaso | ive never seen that termanology before |
| 21:58.04 | kaso | except in here |
| 21:58.18 | Iriel | It's been around in the unix world for decades |
| 21:58.24 | Iriel | ed and sed use it |
| 21:58.38 | Iriel | I'm not sure if it has origins before that |
| 21:58.44 | kaso | ah well im a windoez noob :< |
| 21:58.45 | grimman | Correction* works for me. Usually anyway. |
| 21:58.45 | Cide- | in any case, it is quite useful! |
| 21:59.06 | Cide- | grimman: yeah, most of the time :) |
| 22:15.33 | grimman | Bleh... someone called on Skype -> overlay window from skype killed WoW. |
| 22:15.40 | grimman | CBA to restart to continue my work. ;P |
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| 22:28.19 | AnduinLothar | wow, i'm in a pug grp with 3 other cosmos users.. that never happens.. |
| 22:28.27 | AnduinLothar | APB owns |
| 22:28.33 | grimman | APB? |
| 22:28.36 | AnduinLothar | if i do say so myself |
| 22:28.57 | AnduinLothar | ArcanePartyBars |
| 22:29.03 | grimman | ohokay. |
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| 22:35.25 | Miravlix | Aah, fun, I hate when the brain fizzles. Why did I install a K7 Linux Kernel on a Pentium CPU? |
| 22:36.00 | a-stray-cat | out of <3, surely. |
| 22:36.40 | Miravlix | My real server is a K7, but still, it's a 800 Mhz Athlon, I should have noticed it was the 160 Mhz Pentium |
| 22:37.14 | a-stray-cat | ;p |
| 22:37.40 | zenzelezz | did it work at all then? |
| 22:37.51 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 22:37.55 | Miravlix | Totally dies |
| 22:38.11 | zenzelezz | I had somewhat of a mishap one of the first times I compiled the Linux kernel... sort of neglected to compile the right file system into it |
| 22:38.25 | zenzelezz | don't do that anymore, but I probably still do a bad job =D |
| 22:38.39 | Miravlix | It's mt old IBM Thinkpad with 96MV RAM I'm playing with |
| 22:38.49 | Miravlix | I installed some software and it crashed |
| 22:38.59 | Miravlix | Ran out of ram and swap. :) |
| 22:39.57 | Miravlix | Hmm, I wonder if it will give me a login prompt before it crash |
| 22:40.00 | grimman | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-29474888073352693 |
| 22:40.06 | Miravlix | the services is still getting loaded |
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| 22:40.56 | Miravlix | Something tells me I better find out how to start recovery mode |
| 22:56.26 | ckknight | would Wifebeater be a bad name for an addon? |
| 22:56.58 | grimman | Possiby. |
| 22:57.03 | grimman | Possibly* |
| 22:57.09 | kaso | What does it do ^_- |
| 22:57.25 | ckknight | autoattack |
| 22:57.47 | ckknight | done properly, though |
| 22:57.58 | kaso | DefendYourself? |
| 22:57.59 | grimman | Explain. |
| 22:58.03 | ckknight | right, kaso |
| 22:58.15 | ckknight | a la DefendYourself, Retaliate, idAutoAttack |
| 22:59.04 | grimman | At the very least it's a memorable name. ;P |
| 22:59.18 | kaso | true indeed |
| 23:00.00 | krka | how about: HeStartedIt |
| 23:00.40 | ckknight | hrm |
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| 23:43.35 | Shouryuu|Joy | I hate womankind |
| 23:43.46 | grimman | k |
| 23:43.51 | Shouryuu|Joy | You can get near anyone worth getting near without revealing your personality |
| 23:44.31 | Shouryuu|Joy | and as soon as you bloody do they're either 1) Scared to death 2) become your best friend and thing your a great guy, wish every guy were like you, but your just not the bloody one |
| 23:44.48 | Shouryuu|Joy | WWeeeeee |
| 23:45.07 | grimman | Ah, the eternal #2 curse. |
| 23:45.15 | Kirkburn | At least you haven't just had a 2 hour conversation with your gf about the state of your relationship |
| 23:45.28 | Miravlix | Whats wrong with revaling who you are? |
| 23:45.29 | Shouryuu|Joy | Had that friday |
| 23:45.50 | Kirkburn | Long distance relationships, god damn them! |
| 23:45.51 | Shouryuu|Joy | Nothing at all, it can just scare some people |
| 23:46.04 | Miravlix | I would think the basis of any worthwhile relationship is if you can be yourself |
| 23:46.10 | Miravlix | Then why waist time on them? |
| 23:46.22 | Miravlix | They will get scared some day |
| 23:46.51 | Shouryuu|Joy | The latter the better :P |
| 23:46.52 | Miravlix | Relationships on a lie, might as well pay for sex and think the hooker enjoeys it |
| 23:46.59 | Shouryuu|Joy | hehe |
| 23:47.39 | Kirkburn | What's even better ... three years into my four year course, and I don't even think it's what I want to do any more :/ |
| 23:48.00 | Shouryuu|Joy | Well there's my nightly rant |
| 23:48.12 | Shouryuu|Joy | I'm going to watch a movie or something |
| 23:48.16 | Shouryuu|Joy | sleep tigh folks |
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| 23:48.20 | Kirkburn | And you |
| 23:49.05 | grimman | Weird, but ever so recognizable. |
| 23:49.22 | Kirkburn | hmm? |
| 23:50.15 | grimman | You were here... don't "hmm?". ;) |
| 23:50.41 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 23:52.16 | Kirkburn | I really wish I had chosen something like computer science rather than civil engineering now ... this year has basically completely put me off the subject |
| 23:52.17 | wereHamster | is overriding files in FrameXML still possible? |
| 23:52.23 | Kirkburn | (no) |
| 23:52.26 | End | no |
| 23:52.50 | End | unless you can figure out how to get around the fact that the files are signed |
| 23:52.53 | End | :P |
| 23:53.24 | Miravlix | I not sure signed addons can get around FrameXML either. |
| 23:53.35 | Miravlix | You have to be in wow datafiles |
| 23:54.16 | End | no, you don't have to be in the mpqs, but it won't help you |
| 23:54.34 | End | it'll complain and then ignore them, because they are "corrupted" |
| 23:55.00 | Miravlix | You tried copying what the addonkit creates? |
| 23:55.07 | Miravlix | Thats signed code after all |
| 23:55.11 | End | no, I forgot to remove fonts.xml at first :P |
| 23:55.37 | Miravlix | Yeah, I figured as mutch, but it was a modified file |
| 23:58.28 | End | interesting |
| 23:58.41 | End | they've changed the behaviour |
| 23:58.52 | Miravlix | How? |
| 23:59.03 | End | it renames the FrameXML dir if it is in Interface |
| 23:59.15 | End | I'll try sticking it in Data/Interface next |
| 23:59.33 | Miravlix | So not even a signed addon can get in there. |
| 23:59.50 | End | well, for one thing...it would be more than an addon then |
