| 00:00.35 | zenzelezz | did they *mention* the law, or just turn the discussion to the nazis? |
| 00:01.58 | Kirkburn | Yay for Godwin's Law |
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| 00:08.56 | Cairenn | I am an exceedingly lucky kitty-mommy ... I have a mighty huntress who protects our house from those nasty vicious dirty socks, and she always tells me all about the battle required to subdue them when she brings me her trophies |
| 00:10.24 | Kirkburn | Lol, I just noticed someone pretty much reposted one of my threads from the PvPRP.com forum in the forums, and it got a blue response!! |
| 00:10.56 | Kirkburn | I'm so jealous of you Cairenn :) |
| 00:11.45 | Cairenn | and the other one just LOVES to cuddle, he's a big softie, he is |
| 00:11.55 | Kirkburn | (the thread was regarding the 'new' map I posted recently here - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8624664) |
| 00:12.38 | Kirkburn | My girlfriend's have really really long hair, so gorgeous. Naturally, cat fur makes me sneeze and my eyes burn ... |
| 00:12.52 | Kirkburn | er, my girlfriend's CATS |
| 00:12.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:13.06 | Kirkburn | Although, still.... |
| 00:14.22 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:16.07 | JoshBorke | i finally understand the other map! ZG and the area where kazzak spawn are the new zones |
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| 00:16.21 | Kirkburn | Tainted Scar? |
| 00:16.31 | JoshBorke | that's what i thought, but didn't want to be dum b :-) |
| 00:16.35 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 00:16.42 | JoshBorke | still haven't explored it on my lvl 60 paladin :-X |
| 00:16.43 | Kirkburn | Except they're not new zones, according to Drysc :/ |
| 00:16.54 | Kirkburn | JoshBorke, you're not missing much, except death |
| 00:16.59 | JoshBorke | yea, i always thought it was just an old map |
| 00:17.30 | JoshBorke | mostly due to the way most of the changes corresponded to subzones in the current map |
| 00:17.33 | zenzelezz | my cat is about 10 now, but still thinks she's a kitten |
| 00:17.38 | Kirkburn | I noticed the area above Ashenvale is actually darkwhisper gorge (Hyjal entrance evil area), not Timbermaw Hold |
| 00:18.06 | JoshBorke | wow, the barrens is HUGE |
| 00:18.16 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 00:18.20 | Kirkburn | lol, yes |
| 00:18.30 | norganna | sigh, yes :( |
| 00:18.36 | JoshBorke | actually, most of the zones on Kalimdor are bigger than those on EK |
| 00:18.37 | zenzelezz | you spend half your time running, at least |
| 00:18.40 | Kirkburn | I know what my birthday present will be, next chance I get ... hundreds and hundreds of kittens! |
| 00:19.07 | Kirkburn | tasec |
| 00:19.11 | JoshBorke | "( Kirkburn ) My girlfriend's have really really long hair, so gorgeous. Naturally, cat fur makes me sneeze and my eyes burn ..." |
| 00:19.34 | Kirkburn | Well, er, it's true |
| 00:19.48 | JoshBorke | perpetual misery? |
| 00:19.58 | Kirkburn | I'd take stuff for it |
| 00:20.07 | Kirkburn | My girlfriend's mum has to :/ |
| 00:20.18 | Kirkburn | Allergy stuff |
| 00:20.38 | Kirkburn | The benefits outweigh the downsides. They won't be getting on my bed tho! |
| 00:21.04 | norganna | benefits > allergy? |
| 00:21.09 | JoshBorke | i'm really allergic to cats :-( |
| 00:21.09 | Kirkburn | I've had one bad experience trying to sleep in a furry bed ... never again! |
| 00:21.23 | zenzelezz | kinky |
| 00:21.33 | Kirkburn | :9 |
| 00:21.42 | norganna | you know you can get the same benefits without allergies? |
| 00:21.55 | Elessdy | lol, furry beds... |
| 00:21.59 | Kirkburn | How? |
| 00:22.11 | Kirkburn | Synthetic cats?? |
| 00:22.20 | norganna | benefits - allergies > benefits + allergies |
| 00:22.50 | Elessdy | that doesn't answer the question |
| 00:22.59 | Kirkburn | (seriously, it was _that_ furry ... my my girlfriend's sister's bed. Fortunately, that meant I still had another option of a bed to go to .... ;) |
| 00:23.28 | Kirkburn | You're all confusing me now =( |
| 00:23.52 | JoshBorke | i'm so confuzzedled |
| 00:23.55 | Kirkburn | Even if I didn't take alergy medication, the benefits > downsides ... okay? :) |
| 00:24.54 | Kirkburn | So anyway, moving away from my personal life ... if that map is an old version - doesn't that confirm that the extra areas on the current EK map are real? |
| 00:25.27 | JoshBorke | which extra areas? ZG? Tainted Scar? |
| 00:25.59 | Kirkburn | http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5236/newworldmap2kt.jpg ... left map is the current map, right is the old map |
| 00:26.00 | JoshBorke | what's the zone northwest of EPL? |
| 00:26.27 | Kirkburn | Quel'thalas, where the Blood Elves roam |
| 00:26.32 | JoshBorke | ah, ok |
| 00:26.34 | Kirkburn | oh wait |
| 00:26.36 | Kirkburn | North WEST |
| 00:26.41 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 00:26.48 | Kirkburn | afaik "North Plaguelands" |
| 00:27.00 | JoshBorke | i'm saying on the old map, ZG and tainted scar ARE the extra areas |
| 00:27.09 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 00:27.35 | JoshBorke | which as we all know are real :-) |
| 00:27.54 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 00:28.12 | JoshBorke | well, i don't know that the tainted scar is real, it's a mystical place i've only heard horry stories of |
| 00:28.26 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:28.54 | JoshBorke | how stuff's made is an awesome show |
| 00:28.55 | Kirkburn | The North Plaguelands, whatever they may be, are probably in the expansion |
| 00:29.39 | Kirkburn | But they're not in the right place to be Zul'Aman (which should be directly east of the plaguelands iirc) |
| 00:30.50 | Kirkburn | I do wonder what the missing zones are though :o |
| 00:31.05 | JoshBorke | me too! like the one next to the wetlands! |
| 00:31.27 | JoshBorke | or of course the one between IF and SW to the west |
| 00:31.44 | Kirkburn | Yup, and the eastern redridge mountains |
| 00:32.08 | Kirkburn | So, er, yeah, that's all of them :) |
| 00:32.25 | JoshBorke | and the 2 we were just talking about, north of EPL |
| 00:32.59 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:33.05 | JoshBorke | oh! i bet that zone NW of EPL is the lvl 20-30's zone for blood elves |
| 00:33.18 | JoshBorke | or 10-20s perhaps |
| 00:33.27 | Kirkburn | The island is Sunstrider Isle, 1-10 |
| 00:33.40 | Kirkburn | The area NE of EPl is the Ghostlands, 1-20 |
| 00:34.07 | Kirkburn | (and the Sunwell is on an island off Sunstrider Isle, but that'll be patched into the expansion at some point, last I heard) |
| 00:34.20 | Kirkburn | (sorry, ghostlands are 10-20) |
| 00:35.10 | JoshBorke | well, how will the lowbies get to the rest of the horde towns? |
| 00:35.26 | Kirkburn | Zul'Aman is a forest troll raid zone (looks very cool, trolls and buildings from WC1 and 2!) which is somewhere around there |
| 00:35.34 | Kirkburn | Zeppelin most likely |
| 00:35.42 | JoshBorke | will Zul'aman be in BC? |
| 00:35.59 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 00:36.05 | JoshBorke | nifty |
| 00:36.13 | JoshBorke | i hate trolls... |
| 00:36.18 | Kirkburn | Map of Quel'thalas: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Quel'thalas.JPG |
| 00:36.37 | Kirkburn | (I think the red blob at the bottom is the EPl entrance) |
| 00:36.56 | JoshBorke | interesting |
| 00:37.15 | Kirkburn | The big brown line is Arthas' path to the Sunwell |
| 00:37.30 | JoshBorke | ah, i see |
| 00:37.49 | Kirkburn | And the undead bit at the bottom left is a non-instanced high teens area |
| 00:39.06 | Kirkburn | I think the top left bit is the newbie area |
| 00:40.42 | JoshBorke | i think i'd agree |
| 00:42.58 | Kirkburn | This shows where Zul'Aman should be: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Quelthalas-1-.jpg .... however, the maps have totally changed since then |
| 00:43.47 | Kirkburn | (article on Zul'Aman and cool trolls! http://www.wowwiki.com/Zul%27Aman) |
| 00:43.56 | JoshBorke | yea, that's way different than the current WoW map :-) |
| 00:44.09 | Kirkburn | I should really be off now ... see ya 2moro, was great chatting :) |
| 00:44.17 | JoshBorke | indeed, later |
| 00:46.34 | AnduinLothar | well... i wrote an svn log merger, i win |
| 00:48.36 | AnduinLothar | now i just need to write a pget svn:externals parser to get the logs of all the files and call SVNLogMerge.py on them |
| 00:49.31 | JoshBorke | why are you writing a log merger? |
| 00:50.14 | AnduinLothar | because we use svn:externals for distros and link the distro contents to trunk |
| 00:50.51 | AnduinLothar | and gettign a log on an svn:external only gives you the log for the svn:external and not the log of its contents |
| 00:51.22 | AnduinLothar | this way I can request the log of a distro and have it merge the logs of the content folders |
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| 02:07.41 | ckknight | local f = CreateFrame("Frame") f.g = {} setmetatable(f.g, { __mode = "kv" }) f.n = 0 f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() if not this.g.c then this.g.c={} this.n=this.n+1 end for i = 1, this.n do this.g[{}] = true end end) |
| 02:08.26 | ckknight | that's a discreet memory leech that eats more and more with linear growth every GC |
| 02:09.32 | ckknight | any thoughts from anyone? |
| 02:10.41 | ckknight | also, I don't think it's possible to stop without a reload |
| 02:11.12 | AnduinLothar | mmm why? |
| 02:11.19 | ckknight | cladhaire brought it up |
| 02:11.26 | ckknight | so I thought of that |
| 02:20.41 | ckknight | would it be against the TOS or anything to post that on the blizzard forums? |
| 02:21.13 | Cairenn | I can check with slouken if you'd like, ckknight |
| 02:21.15 | AnduinLothar | don't think so... it's not against the rules to make bad code.. |
| 02:21.23 | ckknight | thanks, Cairenn |
| 02:21.29 | ckknight | yea, cause I think it's relatively cool |
| 02:21.36 | AnduinLothar | tho why anyone would purposefully execute it baffles me.. |
| 02:21.40 | ckknight | although I mean, it'd be bad if someone put it in their code |
| 02:22.10 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but as we already know, any bad code is rather quickly noticed |
| 02:22.32 | ckknight | well, with that code it can take an hour of playtime before you notice anything |
| 02:22.36 | AnduinLothar | besides, the first thing blizz reps would say: dissable your addons |
| 02:22.51 | ckknight | because it goes at about 2 KiB/s on the first cycle, then 4 KiB/s, then 6 KiB/s, and so on |
| 02:23.30 | AnduinLothar | why inthe world did you code it.. |
| 02:23.36 | ckknight | you wouldn't |
| 02:23.51 | ckknight | I'm gonna write one that works in relation to time |
| 02:24.10 | AnduinLothar | why not work on something Useful.. |
| 02:24.55 | Cairenn | sometimes it's fun to try to figure out how to do something just for the hell of it because it's interesting ... doesn't always have to be "useful", that's boring |
| 02:24.59 | ckknight | because I have nothing to work on |
| 02:25.12 | AnduinLothar | lol. ok. w/e |
| 02:25.32 | Cairenn | don't you ever do anything "just because"? |
| 02:25.38 | AnduinLothar | you know if you need soemthing to work on i can almost always give you something... |
| 02:25.57 | ckknight | what is it? |
| 02:26.12 | zenzelezz | having nothing to do often isn't the same as willing to do anything |
| 02:26.31 | AnduinLothar | do you want something to do? cause i got a list 3 miles long.. |
| 02:27.10 | ckknight | it'll have to interest me |
| 02:27.30 | AnduinLothar | would just have to find something that suits your super powers |
| 02:27.40 | ckknight | local t = time() local f = CreateFrame("Frame") f.g = setmetatable({}, {__mode = "kv"}) f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() for i = 1, (time() - t) do this.g[{}] = true end end) |
| 02:27.42 | ckknight | there we go |
| 02:28.58 | ckknight | may want to throttle that by putting (time() - t) / x where x is some number |
| 02:29.03 | ckknight | it'd make it initially less noticeable |
| 02:29.53 | AnduinLothar | like for instance... TotemStomper needs a maintainer |
| 02:30.11 | ckknight | yea, but I'm Horde |
| 02:30.26 | ckknight | so that'd like, go against my code |
| 02:30.36 | AnduinLothar | wha? |
| 02:30.59 | AnduinLothar | it's for both laying out and destroying silly |
| 02:31.26 | ckknight | then why is it called TotemStomper? |
| 02:31.53 | AnduinLothar | ... ok... something to do does not equal argue with karl |
| 02:32.09 | ckknight | your name is karl? |
| 02:32.22 | AnduinLothar | si |
| 02:32.56 | ckknight | and all this time I thought your name was your own, to think you pulled it out of a hat... |
| 02:33.16 | AnduinLothar | actually i pulled it out of a book |
| 02:33.26 | AnduinLothar | in fact, a game |
| 02:33.43 | ckknight | ... |
| 02:33.44 | ckknight | I know |
| 02:33.46 | AnduinLothar | come on man, read up on your warcraft lore |
| 02:33.48 | ckknight | hooray for originality |
| 02:33.58 | ckknight | I was trying to be satirical |
| 02:34.19 | AnduinLothar | ok... you're too bored for me. i'm gonna go back to being productive |
| 02:37.23 | ckknight | local t = time() local f = CreateFrame("Frame") f.n = 0 f.g = setmetatable({}, {__mode = "kv"}) f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() local u = (time() - t) u = u * u for i = f.n, u do f.n = f.n + 1 this.g[{}] = true end end) |
| 02:37.45 | ckknight | that's a pretty good one |
| 02:38.07 | ckknight | starts at 0 KiB/s at about 5 minutes it's at 5 KiB/s |
| 02:38.13 | ckknight | and so on like that |
| 02:38.34 | ckknight | increase is linear based on time |
| 02:44.11 | Cairenn | ckknight: Slouken quoted AnduinLothar "It's not against the rules to make bad code" ... |
| 02:44.26 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 02:44.29 | Cairenn | so that would be a "yes, you can post it" |
| 02:47.03 | ckknight | meh, don't feel like it anymore |
| 02:47.12 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 02:47.16 | ckknight | I blame AnduinLothar |
| 02:47.37 | AnduinLothar | sad day. I'm a better demotivator than motivator.. |
| 02:47.50 | AnduinLothar | not that that's a revelation or anything |
| 02:48.22 | AnduinLothar | I'm much better at getting people to not do things than the other way around |
| 02:48.35 | AnduinLothar | i should be a police man |
| 02:48.48 | AnduinLothar | er... nm |
| 02:48.56 | AnduinLothar | problem with athority... |
| 02:49.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:49.07 | AnduinLothar | damn, i'm screwed |
| 02:49.20 | Cairenn | naw, you just need to be in management |
| 02:49.41 | AnduinLothar | they need demotivators? |
| 02:49.56 | Cairenn | I'm saying you'd fit in :p |
| 02:50.06 | AnduinLothar | ... :'( |
| 02:50.09 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.40 | AnduinLothar | destined to be a hacker i spose |
| 02:51.14 | AnduinLothar | i should start an initiative for computers in jail cells while i still can.. |
| 02:51.45 | Thrae | I bet the pedophiles would love that, AnduinLothar. |
| 02:51.51 | Kaelten | hiya |
| 02:52.15 | AnduinLothar | well then i wont have to worry about getting beat up.. |
| 02:52.34 | Thrae | We all know they'd make shivs out of those sharp PCI card edges! |
| 02:52.56 | Thrae | I cut myself 1 call out of 20 or so =/ |
| 02:52.59 | ckknight | Thrae, pedophilia's a touchy subject |
| 02:53.10 | Thrae | ckknight: Touche. |
| 03:01.45 | AnduinLothar | I win. svn:externals logging works :D |
| 03:04.44 | clad|sleep | *cheer* |
| 03:05.22 | AnduinLothar | just gotta make it optionally print out in the standard format, rather than xml |
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| 03:09.48 | Qzot | Anyone around to help with an Auctioneer problem? |
| 03:09.56 | End | nope, but we'll help anyway |
| 03:10.17 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.24 | Qzot | For a month or so now, I find that Auctioneer is usually, but not always, clearing old auctions. |
| 03:10.49 | End | I lied, I have no idea how I could help you. |
| 03:10.58 | Qzot | Sometimes even failing to clear my own auctions, even tho I start the scan when I have no auctions up whatsoever. |
| 03:10.59 | End | ;p |
| 03:11.37 | Qzot | And I really, really don't want to toss all my current data. |
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| 03:17.22 | Dolby-wowi | looks like vista beta 2 is open to all now |
| 03:17.23 | Dolby-wowi | http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=33514 |
| 03:18.03 | Cairenn | heh, welcome to hours ago |
| 03:18.17 | Kaelten | thats scary |
| 03:20.58 | zenzelezz | not very successfully it seems |
| 03:21.02 | Dolby-wowi | hey I've been working weird hours... I'm a few hours off |
| 03:21.07 | Dolby-wowi | =p |
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| 03:30.32 | ckknight | hey Dolby-wowi |
| 03:32.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:33.43 | Dolby-wowi | hi yas ckknight |
| 03:33.49 | Dolby-wowi | lol norgana |
| 03:33.55 | Dolby-wowi | err +n |
| 03:34.19 | norganna | <tab> FTW!!! |
| 03:35.11 | Dolby-wowi | yuck, I like diet coke. not much of a tab drinker |
| 03:35.12 | Dolby-wowi | ;) |
| 03:36.04 | norganna | do you guys have a) diet vanilla coke and/or b) coke zero? |
| 03:36.08 | Thrae | I don't get it. What's "tab" besides a key and spacing mechanism? |
| 03:36.35 | Cairenn | the context of the sentence tells you |
| 03:36.37 | norganna | Thrae: the tab key in most irc clients completes the nick |
| 03:36.48 | AnduinLothar | i have some vault.. |
| 03:37.25 | Thrae | No, no, I'm referencing <@Dolby-wowi:#wowi-lounge> yuck, I like diet coke. not much of a tab drinker |
| 03:37.45 | norganna | ahh - tab's a soft-drink |
| 03:37.47 | Cairenn | the context of the sentence tells you |
| 03:37.49 | Dolby-wowi | tab is a softdrink |
| 03:38.01 | AnduinLothar | failure |
| 03:38.02 | Thrae | I've never heard of Tab, is it popular? |
| 03:38.16 | norganna | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_(soft_drink) |
| 03:38.24 | Dolby-wowi | hehe |
| 03:38.54 | Dolby-wowi | was popular in the 80's |
| 03:38.59 | Thrae | I was just wondering if it was one of those "fad sodas". |
| 03:39.20 | Thrae | Ah, right, good! |
| 03:39.40 | Tain | I liked Tab Clear |
| 03:39.41 | Thrae | I was worried I missed out on another "fad soda" and didn't get the joke because of that. |
| 03:39.58 | norganna | lol: |
| 03:40.04 | norganna | Tab was the subject of a joke in the 1985 film Back to the Future. Upon entering the cafe in 1955, Marty McFly (Michael J. Fox) asks for a Tab and is told that he cannot have a tab unless he orders something. He then asks for a Pepsi Free and is told that if he wants a Pepsi, he must pay for it. |
| 03:40.33 | Dolby-wowi | hehe |
| 03:40.33 | AnduinLothar | ya, silly lines |
| 03:41.15 | Thrae | I tried Red Bull. It tasted like urine and looked like urine when I poured it down the drain. |
| 03:41.54 | Thrae | Then again, alchohol tastes the same way to me. |
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| 03:49.58 | AnduinLothar | anyone know how to convert 2005-10-30T12:37:11.730118Z into 2005-10-30 04:16:54 -0800 |
| 03:50.29 | AnduinLothar | the date is fairly obvious but it looks like the first format has a time zone indicator |
| 03:50.43 | AnduinLothar | and the -0800 is obviously my PST -8hr |
| 03:51.35 | AnduinLothar | but i dont see how 37 minutes becomes 16.. |
| 03:51.54 | AnduinLothar | oh wait |
| 03:51.57 | AnduinLothar | doh |
| 03:52.25 | AnduinLothar | "2005-10-30T12:51:36.668362Z" into "2005-10-30 04:51:36 -0800 (Sun, 30 Oct 2005)" |
| 03:52.41 | AnduinLothar | the . must be the date |
| 03:58.42 | Qzot | *sigh* Tracked part of my Auctioneer ploblem. Maybe. |
| 03:58.51 | zenzelezz | Z could be Zulu? |
| 03:59.39 | Cairenn | it would be |
| 03:59.56 | Cairenn | aka Greenwich Meantime |
| 04:00.02 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 04:00.30 | AnduinLothar | ok, so how does 668362 represent Sun, 30 Oct 2005 ? |
| 04:00.36 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 04:00.38 | AnduinLothar | doh |
| 04:00.54 | AnduinLothar | what is the 668362 for? partial seconds? |
| 04:03.45 | AnduinLothar | mmmk.. looks like it's W3CDTF format |
| 04:03.58 | Qzot | Anyone familiar enough with Auctioneer to know if it's a problem if I'm running Auctioneer v3.4.3, but AuctionConfig.version is 30201?? I'm about to try the "upgrade" workaround, but I'm scared. |
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| 04:06.34 | Qzot | Lol. Now it's 30000. I'm going backwards. Time to give up. |
| 04:07.05 | Cairenn | well, norgs is in channel .... |
| 04:07.12 | Cairenn | as is Mental |
| 04:07.29 | Qzot | Hmm. I figure if they choose not to answer, they aren't obligated. |
| 04:07.39 | AnduinLothar | or aren't 'here' |
| 04:07.43 | Cairenn | they may not have noticed |
| 04:07.53 | Qzot | Same. |
| 04:07.59 | Cairenn | which is why saying their names may get their attention |
| 04:08.10 | Qzot | NORGANNA!!! MENTALPOWER!!! |
| 04:08.22 | Qzot | There. I said their names. :D |
| 04:08.24 | Qzot | Hehe. |
| 04:08.27 | Cairenn | since many IRC clients have a "beep if your name is said" ... |
| 04:08.45 | Qzot | Ohhh. My client is stuck in the 1960s. |
| 04:09.00 | Qzot | *sigh* |
| 04:09.02 | End | mine is stuck in the late 70s! |
| 04:09.04 | Qzot | Chickens. |
| 04:09.10 | Cairenn | see? |
| 04:09.43 | norganna | oops - sorry cair |
| 04:09.50 | norganna | i didn't mean it honest |
| 04:09.58 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:10.05 | MentalPower | whatsup Qzot? |
| 04:10.06 | Qzot | Be careful with the head. |
| 04:10.24 | Qzot | For about a month, I'm getting stale auctions right after running a scan. |
| 04:10.33 | Qzot | Not always, but frequent. |
| 04:10.47 | Qzot | Two indicators: |
| 04:10.48 | MentalPower | stale auctions? as in you run a report and you get auctions that are no longer there? |
| 04:10.56 | Qzot | Right. |
| 04:11.24 | norganna | he also apparently has weird numbers in his version strings... |
| 04:11.26 | Cairenn | left |
| 04:11.39 | Qzot | Saying that the item I want to post is (1) not able to compete with a non-existent auction, or (2) that I want to post this item at my existing price, even tho I had *zero* auctions up when I started the scan. |
| 04:11.40 | norganna | dead on center! |
| 04:12.01 | Cairenn | norgs wins |
| 04:12.02 | norganna | fire in the hole! |
| 04:12.20 | Qzot | Cairenn, I'm actually being listened to. Go away. |
| 04:12.32 | Cairenn | :( |
| 04:12.38 | Qzot | hehe |
| 04:12.51 | norganna | fancy being kicked outta your own channel |
| 04:12.57 | Qzot | LOL |
| 04:13.09 | Kaelten|sleeping | gnight |
| 04:13.17 | Cairenn | night kael |
| 04:13.18 | Qzot | Not kicked out. Just censured and socially ostracized. |
| 04:14.02 | Cairenn | anyway, I'll hush |
| 04:14.11 | Cairenn | or not .... |
| 04:14.21 | norganna | A? |
| 04:14.22 | MentalPower | scarlet letter... |
| 04:14.37 | MentalPower | ~google The scarlet letter |
| 04:14.39 | Cairenn | a for adultry |
| 04:14.44 | MentalPower | exactly |
| 04:14.50 | Qzot | Seriously, have you heard of this problem? Stale auctions? I have a guildie with a similar problem, but she might have seeded her saved variables from mine. |
| 04:15.03 | norganna | there was adultry and i wasn't invited? |
| 04:15.09 | MentalPower | looks like someone else actually reads literature (other than computer language books) |
| 04:15.39 | Qzot | Not that he's my favorite author or anything. Ugh. |
| 04:15.51 | norganna | i don't read classical / romantic lit |
| 04:16.17 | Qzot | I want my fiction to have nice, happy ending. Real life has enough crap I don't need more in my fiction. :D |
| 04:16.22 | norganna | pure fantasy, d&d and sci-fi for me. |
| 04:16.37 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.42 | norganna | preferably more on the fantasy side than any other side |
| 04:16.47 | Qzot | +sci-fi, -fantasy, -d&d, +Jane Austen |
| 04:17.14 | norganna | egads! |
| 04:17.15 | zenzelezz | Jane Austen is sci-fi!? |
| 04:17.24 | Qzot | However, speaking of fantasy, Auctioneer seems to be responding to some fantasy auctions in what it believes are the last scan. |
| 04:17.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:17.37 | Qzot | No, Jane Austen is on my plus list. |
| 04:17.42 | Tem | Actually, the Scarlet letter was my 2nd favorite book that I was forced to read in High School |
| 04:17.58 | Tem | it was dark and almost fantasy |
| 04:18.10 | Tem | Naturally, I enjoyed it |
| 04:18.11 | Qzot | I put Scarlet Letter right up there with The Mayor of Casterbridge. Bleah. |
| 04:18.16 | norganna | if there aren't any child heros, epic adventures, or magic involves, auctioneer can keep it's fantasies |
| 04:18.33 | Qzot | :( |
| 04:18.52 | MentalPower | Qzot: /script Stubby.Print(AuctionConfig.version) |
| 04:19.02 | Tem | what's stubby? |
| 04:19.08 | Qzot | It's back to 30201. |
| 04:19.10 | zenzelezz | I'm having too much fun playing the Hitman games :-x |
| 04:19.20 | norganna | it's like a small bottle of beer |
| 04:19.21 | Qzot | Stubby is a place that has a convenient print function. :D |
| 04:19.39 | MentalPower | Tem: its our Load-On-Demand Stub-Loading Library |
| 04:19.44 | norganna | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_bottle |
| 04:20.00 | Tem | so, you build the logic into it of when to load parts of auc? |
| 04:20.16 | norganna | yah |
| 04:20.18 | Tem | nifty |
| 04:20.33 | MentalPower | auctioneer, enahcntrix, informant (et al) |
| 04:20.39 | Tem | if the binary form of loadstring worked, I'd have written a more generic library to do just that |
| 04:20.39 | norganna | and also command handlers, upgrade detection etc |
| 04:20.56 | Tem | upgrade detection? |
| 04:21.17 | MentalPower | Qzot: have you tried "/auctioneer clear snapshot"? |
| 04:21.18 | Qzot | Tem: Yeah. *sigh* |
| 04:21.25 | norganna | it detects when an addon is "upgraded" and hence needs to have it's stub functions "refreshed" |
| 04:21.29 | Tem | did you build a "bitch at user for not having latest version" thing? |
| 04:21.30 | Qzot | Nope. Didn't know it existed. Will try now. |
| 04:22.27 | norganna | it's pretty nice, it was built to be a general purpose stub loader, but not marketed as one |
| 04:22.40 | Tem | I got all exited too, when I realized just how useful loadstring could be |
| 04:22.43 | Qzot | 3.4.3 recent enough? |
| 04:22.55 | MentalPower | it should be, lemme check |
| 04:22.57 | Tem | so I did a buttload of testing and got an out-of-wow version working really nicely at work |
| 04:22.58 | norganna | stubby doesn't use loadstring |
| 04:23.05 | Tem | get home and the bitch doesn't work |
| 04:23.15 | Tem | so I'm like "wtf?" |
| 04:23.22 | MentalPower | it uses RunScript(), loadstring wasn't available at the time of writing :) |
| 04:23.23 | Tem | *post on forum* |
| 04:23.34 | Qzot | That helped quite a bit, MentalPower! Thansk! As a workaround, I'll plan to do that just before doing a scan. |
| 04:23.37 | Tem | you should consider using loadstring |
| 04:23.51 | Tem | RunScript will send all errors to the standard thing |
| 04:24.02 | Tem | even if it's wrapped by a pcall |
| 04:24.11 | Qzot | Eww. |
| 04:24.21 | MentalPower | yeah I know, its on my todo list |
| 04:24.23 | Tem | so you can wrap a pcall around your loadstring and quietly handle errors |
| 04:24.39 | norganna | yup - that's good, but it also doesn't break execution of the main code |
| 04:24.55 | Qzot | MP: Which is on your todo list? Dealing with stale auctions, or playing with loadstring? |
| 04:24.56 | norganna | (errors to the standard thing is good) |
| 04:25.13 | MentalPower | Qzot: loadstring() |
| 04:25.20 | Tain | Exchange on a message board concerning WoW: |
| 04:25.26 | Tain | "no woman, no matter how good, will ever love you the way World of Warcraft does." |
| 04:25.26 | Tain | "Think so? Would any woman lead you on with promises of fun and frivolity, and then a year later you find yourself showing up because you have to, making time for it, and feeling like it's a second job?" |
| 04:25.26 | Tain | "On the other hand, don't answer that." |
| 04:25.34 | MentalPower | Qzot: 3.4.3 is indeed good enough for the clear command |
| 04:27.12 | norganna | qzot: want to head over to irc://irc.datavertex.com/norganna ? |
| 04:27.26 | Qzot | I was about to take my AH DB in my sweaty little palms, and /script AuctionConfig.snapmed = {}, without fully knowing what would ensue. (And .snapcount, too.) |
| 04:27.48 | AnduinLothar | BOOM! |
| 04:28.01 | MentalPower | Tem: if you want to play around with Stubby, its available both on our website (auctioneeraddon.com) and at WoWI |
| 04:28.08 | Qzot | Someone has tried that, obviously. |
| 04:28.08 | norganna | imho, better to AuctionConfig = {} |
| 04:28.11 | Tem | I wish I had that kind of time |
| 04:28.21 | Tem | playing with stuff seems like it'd be so much fun |
| 04:28.40 | MentalPower | of course, AuctionConfig = {} would delete everything... |
| 04:28.58 | Tem | MentalPower, I'll definately take a look at it when the shitstorm clears over here |
| 04:29.25 | Tem | speaking of which.. it's time for me to sleep |
| 04:29.31 | Cairenn | night Tem |
| 04:29.38 | Tem | later guys and Cair |
| 04:29.54 | Qzot | norganna: I think I'm there. |
| 04:30.18 | norganna | where? |
| 04:30.38 | Qzot | irc://irc.datavertex.com/norganna |
| 04:30.53 | norganna | er |
| 04:31.00 | norganna | can't see you there |
| 04:31.06 | norganna | can you see anyone there? |
| 04:31.13 | Qzot | Nope. |
| 04:31.20 | Qzot | Other than me, at least. |
| 04:31.50 | norganna | there's 11 people in that channel |
| 04:32.07 | norganna | make sure you spelt it correctly |
| 04:32.31 | Qzot | Hmm. I'm probably not mapping teh URL correctly for my ancient client. |
| 04:35.56 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com) |
| 04:36.17 | Qzot | Back. |
| 04:36.41 | Cairenn | front |
| 04:36.52 | norganna | Ahh, ok. We'll take the spam to our own server now Cair - sorry for the aubduction of your channel :) |
| 04:36.56 | AnduinLothar | meh, time parsing is a pain |
| 04:37.06 | Cairenn | bah, wasn't a problem norgs |
| 04:37.20 | Qzot | Back to the subject where time has no meaning. :D |
| 04:37.31 | Cairenn | not like the channel was busy or anything |
| 04:40.26 | Tain | I need to put away this Pocky. I don't see how something so simple can be so addictive. |
| 04:41.47 | norganna | AnduinLothar: how good is strtotime in php/c.... ahhh, i wish every language had that function |
| 04:42.24 | AnduinLothar | i assume it tries to parse a string based on known formats |
| 04:43.06 | norganna | yah |
| 04:43.13 | norganna | it's really good at it too |
| 04:43.38 | norganna | you can do stuff like "2004-10-02 15:45 + 1 year" |
| 04:43.43 | AnduinLothar | any idea how to take a python time object and adjust it from gmt to some other time zone? |
| 04:44.19 | norganna | nope |
| 04:55.02 | grimman | Yarr, HL:2 ep1 completed. |
| 04:56.55 | Cairenn | okay, sleep time for me ... night all |
| 04:57.01 | MentalPower | nigh Cairenn |
| 04:57.06 | MentalPower | night* |
| 04:58.01 | norganna | nighty nite cair |
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| 05:05.30 | MentalPower | has there been any conversation as to the reason why ReloadUI() will require a hardware event in 1.11? |
| 05:06.16 | AnduinLothar | it was curt and unexplanitory |
| 05:06.50 | norganna | i heard it was because blizzard a stinky |
| 05:07.06 | norganna | s/ a / are / |
| 05:07.23 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 05:10.44 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure I see the problem... when would it not be triggered from a hardware event anyhow? |
| 05:11.10 | AnduinLothar | delay timer |
| 05:11.16 | MentalPower | ReloadUI addon that delays ReloadUI() calls so you have a chance to cancel it |
| 05:11.17 | grimman | MentalPower: It might be to prevent automatic data exports from taking place. I dunno. |
| 05:12.11 | norganna | It's not really feasible to do that though |
| 05:12.32 | norganna | a reload takes like 10-30 seconds |
| 05:15.16 | grimman | Not really. |
| 05:15.32 | grimman | With very few addons loaded it takes 1-2 seconds for me. |
| 05:15.43 | grimman | With my full suite it takes a great deal longer though. |
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| 05:19.10 | MentalPower | I just love quicktime... |
| 05:19.16 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 05:19.23 | MentalPower | it shutdows firefox just to update itself |
| 05:19.43 | AnduinLothar | did it askyou first? |
| 05:20.05 | AnduinLothar | cause it updates the plugin, which would require you to reboot ff... |
| 05:20.49 | MentalPower | it said tha would close all quicktime stuff, but FF wasn't even on any page (just chatzilla was running) |
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| 05:21.04 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 05:21.30 | Iriel | Meh, what a day |
| 05:21.37 | MentalPower | anyways, did I miss anything about the ReloadUI convo? |
| 05:21.37 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 05:21.43 | AnduinLothar | not rly |
| 05:23.27 | AnduinLothar | rawr... why desn't datetime have strptime!? |
| 05:23.50 | AnduinLothar | grumble grumble... have to kbfaubuk parse it ymself |
| 05:27.36 | End | Iriel, hectic? |
| 05:28.26 | Iriel | Yeah, strange threading bugs in a critical piece of software that's just showing up now even though it's been deployed for well over a year |
| 05:30.01 | End | ouch |
| 05:30.08 | End | those bugs are the worst :-/ |
| 05:30.47 | End | even better is when trying to debug it makes it go away, although usually that's a pretty decent hint about the nature of the bug |
| 05:31.29 | Iriel | Yes, an hour of today was monitoring the system under load (where it's failed after 20 minutes the last few days) without a single hiccup |
| 05:31.57 | Iriel | Fortunately I managed to figure out what was tripping it up and redoing the test with some tweaks broke it in 2 minutes |
| 05:33.30 | Iriel | Lukcily it's figured out now, an unexpected (by the code's author, and by me until I dug much deeper than I wanted to) side effect of the thread safety code in the java logging package |
| 05:39.07 | AnduinLothar | safety == non-intuitive |
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| 05:41.13 | AnduinLothar | oi... the silly svn log timestamps are driving me batty |
| 05:41.53 | AnduinLothar | parsing the xml version and converting it to the normal version is a pain in the ass in python |
| 05:43.26 | AnduinLothar | you'd think... there's like 5 different versions of time modules and they all are a pain in the ass |
| 05:44.20 | AnduinLothar | ok i've got everything except this simple part figured out... |
| 05:44.54 | AnduinLothar | how do i convert the timezone offset to the format "-0800" for PST -8hrs from utc/gmt |
| 05:45.26 | AnduinLothar | a timedelta object for it is: datetime.timedelta(seconds = -time.timezone) |
| 05:45.59 | Iriel | Hm, can't you just convert it into a UTC time internally then use some kindo f 'local time' method to displkay it in the right timezone |
| 05:46.47 | AnduinLothar | sort of, that's not the problem... i have the time parsign and formatting finnished except fro this part |
| 05:47.01 | AnduinLothar | because there's no formatting that i can find for the offset |
| 05:47.47 | AnduinLothar | hell, the time object doesn't even have milliseconds and the datetime object doesn't have strptime so i can't parse strait to a datetime object |
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| 05:48.13 | Wobin | hehe |
| 05:48.16 | Wobin | very very cool |
| 05:48.16 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=8615676&P=1 |
| 05:48.50 | Iriel | http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_python/datesandtimes.html |
| 05:48.55 | Iriel | Is that any help for you AnduinLothar ? |
| 05:51.05 | AnduinLothar | nope, already figured all that out the hard way |
| 05:52.00 | AnduinLothar | now i have a timedelta object i need to convert to the format -HHMM |
| 05:52.27 | AnduinLothar | mmm timedelta might have strftime |
| 05:52.36 | Iriel | %z is the "+0600" or whatever |
| 05:52.41 | Iriel | in strftime |
| 05:52.47 | Iriel | or at least, that's what the c library one uses |
| 05:53.12 | AnduinLothar | i see %Z... |
| 05:53.19 | AnduinLothar | Time zone name (no characters if no time zone exists). |
| 05:53.30 | zenzelezz | Wobin: hm, how can six people form a pentagram? Was one standing inside of it? |
| 05:53.31 | Iriel | yeah, but %z should be the offset |
| 05:53.39 | Wobin | yeah |
| 05:53.43 | AnduinLothar | http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-time.html |
| 05:54.29 | Wobin | creepy |
| 05:54.37 | Wobin | Well they're not in the house on my server atm |
| 05:55.07 | zenzelezz | such stories are fun, whatever the real deal is ;) |
| 05:55.17 | Iriel | Hm, well, %z would work if your OS supports it I guess |
| 05:55.41 | Iriel | Otherwise you'll have to turn the offset into that yourself, just [+-]HHMM |
| 05:55.49 | AnduinLothar | meh: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/node257.html |
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| 05:56.06 | Iriel | or just use UTC throughout |
| 05:56.10 | Iriel | local time is overrated |
| 05:56.35 | AnduinLothar | i can't, it needs to convert to the format already used by svn log |
| 05:57.27 | zenzelezz | Cairenn is IRCing in her sleep :-o |
| 05:57.59 | Iriel | Well, can't you just use UTC and +0000 |
| 05:58.00 | Iriel | ? |
| 05:58.29 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing his existing logs aren't UTC |
| 05:58.55 | AnduinLothar | i need to convert from the svn log --xml format |
| 05:59.02 | Iriel | I suppose if I knew what you were trying to do it'd be easier 8-) |
| 05:59.36 | End | well, svn log's normal output is local time zone |
| 05:59.47 | End | --xml is UTC I believe |
| 05:59.51 | AnduinLothar | "%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S.?Z" to "%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %z (%a, %d %b %Y)" |
| 05:59.55 | Iriel | You're trying to convert from that format to what? |
| 06:00.23 | AnduinLothar | where the ? in the first one is miliseconds |
| 06:00.48 | grimman | /y They're taking the hobbits to Isengard! |
| 06:01.07 | AnduinLothar | this is what i have: |
| 06:01.11 | AnduinLothar | gmTime = re.sub("\.\d*Z", "Z", gmTime)# remove miliseconds unrecognized by the time class (used for parsing) |
| 06:01.11 | AnduinLothar | parsedTime = datetime.fromtimestamp(time.mktime(time.strptime(gmTime, "%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ")))# parse time format into a datetime object |
| 06:01.12 | AnduinLothar | parsedTime = parsedTime+datetime.timedelta(seconds = -time.timezone)# offset by current timezone |
| 06:01.12 | AnduinLothar | date = parsedTime.strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S "+offset+" (%a, %d %b %Y)", parsedTime)# format datetime |
| 06:01.28 | AnduinLothar | where gmtime is the orig format |
| 06:01.39 | AnduinLothar | and i still need to generate offset |
| 06:01.49 | Iriel | you have the delta in seconds though, right? |
| 06:01.53 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:02.06 | AnduinLothar | time.timezone |
| 06:02.21 | Iriel | So just divide it by 60, then mod that by 60 and divide it by 60 |
| 06:02.30 | Iriel | that'll give you hours and mins |
| 06:02.43 | Iriel | then use regular numeric printf to make it HHMM |
| 06:02.48 | Iriel | and stick the appropriate + or - on the front |
| 06:03.02 | AnduinLothar | right... i was hoping there was a way to get it from the timedelta |
| 06:03.31 | Iriel | Use %z 8-) It'll work on platforms for which libc supports it, if i'm reading these docs correctly |
| 06:03.48 | AnduinLothar | it's not in the datetime object |
| 06:04.11 | AnduinLothar | because the orig is in utc |
| 06:05.54 | MentalPower_ | gnight guys |
| 06:06.57 | Iriel | Yeah, but if you go to epoch seconds when you parse the thing |
| 06:07.07 | Iriel | and then convert back into local time, doesn't it "just work" ? |
| 06:07.39 | Iriel | Forgive me if i'm giving the python date/time code more credit than it deserves |
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| 06:09.41 | AnduinLothar | i'm going to epoch seconds, then creating a datetime object. That object is in UTC offset = 0. Then I add a timedelta object to it and it localizes the times, however it is still seen as UTC |
| 06:10.22 | AnduinLothar | as far as i can tell there's plenty of ways to go TO utc from local, but not the other way around |
| 06:11.18 | AnduinLothar | you can convert the current time to another time zone.. |
| 06:11.39 | Iriel | oldtimetuple = time.localtime(EpochSeconds) |
| 06:11.56 | Iriel | or now = datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(EpochSeconds) |
| 06:12.18 | Iriel | both give you local time |
| 06:12.23 | Iriel | unless i'm horribly misreading this stuff |
| 06:12.43 | AnduinLothar | so how do i go back to EpochSeconds from datetime? |
| 06:13.01 | Iriel | t = datetime.datetime.now() or t = datetime.datetime.utcnow() |
| 06:13.12 | Iriel | depending on whether your original datetime was UTC or local, I think |
| 06:13.23 | AnduinLothar | that's only the current time tho.. |
| 06:13.37 | Iriel | I'm missing a time.mktime(t.timetuple()) there |
| 06:13.47 | Iriel | Your input is always UTC though, right? |
| 06:14.03 | AnduinLothar | akaik |
| 06:14.06 | AnduinLothar | afaik |
| 06:14.10 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:14.19 | Iriel | Can't you make a timetuple out of that relatively easily |
| 06:14.33 | AnduinLothar | yes... |
| 06:14.42 | Iriel | then you can just feed that to time.mktime, can't you? |
| 06:14.57 | AnduinLothar | already have.. |
| 06:15.40 | AnduinLothar | so how does that help me? |
| 06:16.20 | Iriel | Well, when you feed that tuple to mktime, aren't you getting back the correct epoch seconds value? |
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| 06:18.54 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:20.22 | End | well, I tried it out in perl, and the only issue is I have no idea figure out what the local timezone is |
| 06:20.27 | AnduinLothar | ok... so i have an epoc EpochSeconds in utc... |
| 06:20.53 | AnduinLothar | but the time object stores no information on time zone |
| 06:21.15 | AnduinLothar | so localtime doesn't do anything but change the dst flag |
| 06:21.39 | End | http://wow.pastebin.com/766755 ...I had to hardcode the output timezone in :-/ |
| 06:21.59 | AnduinLothar | >>> gmTime = "2005-10-30T12:51:36Z" |
| 06:21.59 | AnduinLothar | >>> time.strptime(gmTime, "%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ") |
| 06:21.59 | AnduinLothar | (2005, 10, 30, 12, 51, 36, 6, 303, -1) |
| 06:22.00 | AnduinLothar | >>> time.mktime(time.strptime(gmTime, "%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ")) |
| 06:22.00 | AnduinLothar | 1130705496.0 |
| 06:22.00 | AnduinLothar | >>> time.localtime(time.mktime(time.strptime(gmTime, "%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ"))) |
| 06:22.01 | AnduinLothar | (2005, 10, 30, 12, 51, 36, 6, 303, 0) |
| 06:22.32 | End | wow, strptime, I forgot that one existed |
| 06:22.49 | AnduinLothar | only in time.. not datetime >.< |
| 06:23.10 | End | yeah, but strptime is a C function first :P |
| 06:23.14 | End | like strftime |
| 06:23.50 | AnduinLothar | i don't really care where it came from. i care that i have to regex the miliseconds out before i can strptime it |
| 06:24.14 | AnduinLothar | when datetime handles miliseconds just fine.. |
| 06:24.24 | AnduinLothar | but doesn't have damn strptime |
| 06:24.35 | AnduinLothar | wtf is that.. |
| 06:24.35 | End | well, normal unix time is just an integer |
| 06:24.44 | End | which is what time handles it looks like |
| 06:26.00 | AnduinLothar | it's been a very long day and i've spent the entirety of it coding. I'm about ready to kill someone... all i want is for this conversion to work so i can be finnished |
| 06:26.14 | End | well, which part doesn't work now? |
| 06:26.30 | AnduinLothar | the same part that didn't work before |
| 06:26.45 | End | the timezone part? |
| 06:26.53 | AnduinLothar | yes. |
| 06:27.22 | End | didn't Iriel suggest using %z in strftime already? |
| 06:27.35 | End | or does that not work on your system? |
| 06:27.42 | AnduinLothar | that requires that the object know what timezone it is |
| 06:28.19 | End | I think I understand now |
| 06:30.32 | AnduinLothar | as far as i can tell the time object doesn't ever keep track of timezone |
| 06:30.46 | End | tzset |
| 06:30.50 | End | wait |
| 06:30.50 | End | no |
| 06:30.54 | AnduinLothar | and there's no way to assign timezone to a datetime once it has been created |
| 06:31.45 | End | hmmm |
| 06:31.49 | End | there is astimezone |
| 06:32.13 | End | it creates a new datetime with the time/date adjusted to a new timezone...I think |
| 06:33.06 | AnduinLothar | ok... so that means i need a tzinfo class to pass to it |
| 06:33.26 | AnduinLothar | but timedelta doesn't inherit tzinfo |
| 06:34.13 | End | yeah, I'm still working on that |
| 06:36.02 | End | (ick, it'd help if I had written more than like 12 lines of python in my entire life) |
| 06:36.16 | End | (mostly for testing) |
| 06:36.29 | AnduinLothar | i've been writting python for years and i still don't have a clue |
| 06:36.35 | End | heheh |
| 06:37.04 | AnduinLothar | the time classes are the most unintuitive on any of the modules |
| 06:37.13 | End | yeah |
| 06:37.27 | End | I'll take your word on that. :P |
| 06:37.47 | End | anyways, I'm off to bed, good luck figuring that out. :P |
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| 06:44.15 | Iriel | aha |
| 06:45.32 | AnduinLothar | gonna explain before i kill myself? |
| 06:45.49 | Iriel | Well, I've got a datetime in UTC |
| 06:45.53 | Iriel | just need to convert it to local time |
| 06:46.01 | AnduinLothar | yes.. |
| 06:46.19 | AnduinLothar | i already had that.. |
| 06:46.51 | AnduinLothar | but i think the idiot who designed it didn't make an instantiatable tzinfo class |
| 06:47.01 | Iriel | Ah, that's not too hard |
| 06:47.08 | Iriel | for UTC, anyway |
| 06:47.47 | AnduinLothar | ... you're killing me iriel |
| 06:48.42 | Iriel | sorry, I dont want to give you half a program, i'd like it to all work |
| 06:49.08 | Iriel | how on earth am I supposed to get the LOCAL timezone? |
| 06:49.17 | AnduinLothar | ... i am totally baffled that it wants me to make a class jsut so i can instantiate it to pass to the function.. |
| 06:49.49 | MoonWolf | and people keep telling me its such a great language. |
| 06:50.01 | AnduinLothar | time.timezone is the offset in seconds.. |
| 06:50.12 | AnduinLothar | but i have no idea how to make that into a tzinfo class |
| 06:56.02 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/766800 |
| 06:56.15 | Iriel | It's ugly but it works |
| 06:57.04 | AnduinLothar | ya, i just got that, but it's total bullshit that you have to declare a class just to reassign a timezone |
| 06:57.25 | Iriel | I agree it's pretty daft not to ship with UTC and the local timezone as available objects |
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| 07:02.55 | AnduinLothar | ok.. now how would i get a datetime to be non-native.. |
| 07:03.11 | Iriel | You'd need to define an appropriate timezone object |
| 07:03.22 | Iriel | there's a library out on sourceforge with all the standard timezones in it |
| 07:04.11 | AnduinLothar | ah i got it, 2nd arg in fromtimestamp( |
| 07:04.49 | AnduinLothar | i win |
| 07:06.40 | AnduinLothar | http://wow.pastebin.com/766818 |
| 07:07.02 | AnduinLothar | wow, that's a bitch |
| 07:07.30 | MoonWolf | all that for datetime. |
| 07:08.18 | AnduinLothar | better than parsing manually, but not by much... I could prolly regesx it in a few lines.. |
| 07:08.25 | AnduinLothar | problem is the offset code |
| 07:08.31 | AnduinLothar | and timezone |
| 07:08.35 | AnduinLothar | use large tables |
| 07:09.59 | Iriel | I always try and store and manipulate everything as UTC seconds/milliseconds/whatever |
| 07:10.40 | grimman | Internet Explorer is a freak. |
| 07:10.44 | AnduinLothar | i didn't do it... svn creators that should be stabbed |
| 07:11.13 | grimman | I fired that browser up for the first time in weeks yesterday to troubleshoot a friend's webpage (some CSS stuff not behaving correctly in IE) and the cache shot up to 132 megs. |
| 07:11.18 | AnduinLothar | however... I now have a fully functional svn:external log merger |
| 07:11.20 | grimman | That's simply mad. |
| 07:12.04 | AnduinLothar | welll mostly functional |
| 07:12.18 | MoonWolf | cool |
| 07:12.27 | MoonWolf | convert it to perl for me will you |
| 07:12.30 | AnduinLothar | need to add an option to only use the last x logs |
| 07:12.35 | AnduinLothar | hell no |
| 07:12.38 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 07:14.03 | AnduinLothar | there goes my entire day.. |
| 07:14.26 | AnduinLothar | need to go eat for the first itme before keal over |
| 07:23.54 | Kalroth | that's because Kael is slacking |
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| 07:43.43 | Iriel | Errors IN the stub? |
| 07:43.46 | Iriel | Or in the comments? |
| 07:44.30 | ckknight | in the stub |
| 07:44.46 | ckknight | I've been writing unit tests for AceLibrary |
| 07:44.50 | ckknight | which derives from yours |
| 07:44.59 | ckknight | no doubt some of the errors stretch across |
| 07:45.12 | ckknight | cause I use your stub in my personal libs |
| 07:45.13 | Iriel | Can you send me the errors you find? |
| 07:45.19 | Iriel | I'd like to get them fixed |
| 07:46.01 | ckknight | I also was able to deprecate oldList |
| 07:46.19 | ckknight | lemme pastebin a unit test |
| 07:46.25 | ckknight | which shows the flaw |
| 07:48.04 | Iriel | I'm not sure how you could deprecate oldList without removing functionality |
| 07:48.55 | ckknight | with magic! |
| 07:49.03 | ckknight | and/or pwntasticism |
| 07:49.15 | Iriel | or maybe by just not needing what it offered in your addon? |
| 07:49.19 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/766846 |
| 07:49.21 | Iriel | I'll remain unconvinced for now 8-) |
| 07:49.28 | ckknight | lemme put up another |
| 07:49.43 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/766848 |
| 07:50.07 | MoonWolf | or maybe clad modified it so much that oldlist became almost deprecated ? |
| 07:50.35 | Iriel | Fields shouldn't be shared across instances |
| 07:50.40 | ckknight | why not? |
| 07:50.41 | Iriel | so this test should fail |
| 07:50.44 | ckknight | says you. |
| 07:51.03 | Iriel | Well, LibActivate can make them shared if it wants to |
| 07:51.10 | Iriel | but that's the librarie's call |
| 07:51.23 | Iriel | the whole reason LibActivate is passed the old instance is so that it can choose what to share |
| 07:52.31 | ckknight | want me to come up with an even more damning unit test, then? |
| 07:52.43 | Iriel | please |
| 07:54.23 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/766855 |
| 07:56.23 | Iriel | Isnt that the same test? |
| 07:56.48 | ckknight | similar, but it gets the point across better |
| 07:57.03 | Iriel | It's still behaving exactly as it's designed to |
| 07:57.08 | ckknight | it fails for you, even though the fields are "shared" |
| 07:57.52 | Iriel | because self.value is a simple value, not a reference value |
| 07:57.55 | Iriel | let me edit it a sec |
| 07:58.24 | ckknight | I expect all instances with the same major version to be the same |
| 07:59.40 | ckknight | if you switch the libraries (so the newer is on the top), it acts completely differently |
| 07:59.50 | ckknight | which in my opinion, after all libs are loaded, it shouldn't |
| 08:00.49 | Iriel | http://ace.pastebin.com/766862 |
| 08:01.18 | ckknight | why should it need self.data? |
| 08:01.55 | ckknight | my point is that when all libs are loaded, no matter the order, things should act the same (as long as a lib wasn't use in the intermediary) |
| 08:02.14 | Iriel | because they're all separate table instances, I can't "fix" that, there's no way to make 2 tables have the same simple value shared between them without major metatable funny business |
| 08:02.26 | Iriel | I can't re-write all the references to the old instance |
| 08:02.31 | ckknight | I did ;-) |
| 08:02.38 | ckknight | or, backwards, really |
| 08:02.47 | ckknight | I just updated the old instances |
| 08:02.53 | ckknight | so that the new ones _are_ equal |
| 08:02.56 | ckknight | rawequal, even |
| 08:03.04 | ckknight | this in turn gets rid of oldList |
| 08:03.43 | ckknight | want the code? |
| 08:04.01 | Iriel | Yes, i can't imagine how that's possible without adding significant complexity |
| 08:04.14 | ckknight | it's rather shiny, actually |
| 08:04.20 | Iriel | (So if you're doing something with metatables it doesn't count) |
| 08:04.41 | ckknight | no metatables |
| 08:04.41 | ckknight | http://svn.wowace.com/root/branches/AceLibrary/ckknight/AceLibrary.lua |
| 08:05.51 | ckknight | a side effect is that lib may not equal self |
| 08:06.15 | MoonWolf | isnt that bad ? |
| 08:06.15 | ckknight | no |
| 08:06.15 | ckknight | lib should be set to nil |
| 08:06.21 | ckknight | after register |
| 08:06.25 | MoonWolf | k |
| 08:06.55 | Iriel | Well, herein lies the problem |
| 08:07.03 | ckknight | what's that? |
| 08:07.48 | Iriel | You've broken any formerly existing identity guarantees |
| 08:07.57 | Iriel | Which isn't NECESSARILY bad |
| 08:08.04 | Iriel | but it is different |
| 08:08.26 | ckknight | what identity guarantees would those be? |
| 08:08.52 | Iriel | let me give you an example |
| 08:09.30 | Iriel | suppose that your library has closures that include references to itself |
| 08:09.40 | Iriel | You've now got to defer creating them until LibActivate |
| 08:09.45 | Iriel | again, not BAD so much as DIFFERENT |
| 08:10.50 | ckknight | you use self, not lib |
| 08:11.00 | ckknight | and it's all peachy |
| 08:11.13 | ckknight | I set my lib to nil after register anyway |
| 08:13.44 | ckknight | keeping that in mind, I don't see issues |
| 08:15.25 | Iriel | It's a different approach that's got some nice features, and it's certainly easier for cases where there is an expectation to keep most things the same |
| 08:15.54 | Iriel | Maintaining the same table per major version is handy |
| 08:15.56 | ckknight | which you should, if you change things drastically, new major version |
| 08:16.18 | MoonWolf | besides, when all things are done, the major ace libs should be pretty stable. |
| 08:16.20 | Iriel | Well, not necessarily, I could completely re-implement something and maintain the same interface |
| 08:16.28 | Iriel | that'd be a minor version |
| 08:16.47 | MoonWolf | depends on you versioning scheme |
| 08:17.24 | MoonWolf | complete rewrites ven if the interface is the same get a major version in my eyes. |
| 08:17.28 | MoonWolf | i did that with mendeleev |
| 08:19.38 | Iriel | I guess my point is that you can't guarantee it's safe to have self != lib, unless you told the author that up front |
| 08:19.47 | Iriel | Which is going to be fine for authors that use this flavor of stub from day 1 |
| 08:20.00 | Iriel | but you can't mix the stubs for the same library |
| 08:20.21 | Iriel | sure, most of the time it should work, but it's not apples to apples |
| 08:21.38 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:21.43 | ckknight | goddamn oranges |
| 08:21.48 | ckknight | harshing my mellow |
| 08:22.52 | Iriel | I have a feeling i'll be introducing a second version of the stub code eventually |
| 08:23.16 | Iriel | there's a couple of things that have come up now that folks are using it as slightly better/different ways of doing things |
| 08:24.05 | MoonWolf | thats bound to happen with any piece of code like that. |
| 08:24.33 | Iriel | It's perfectly safe as long as a given 'logical library name' uses one implementation consistently |
| 08:24.35 | ckknight | I also ripped out LibDiscard ;-) |
| 08:24.48 | Iriel | Well, i'm not sure that's safe either |
| 08:24.53 | ckknight | oh sure it is |
| 08:25.00 | MoonWolf | he is gutting libstub to hell and back. |
| 08:25.01 | ckknight | fires an error instead ;-) |
| 08:25.23 | Iriel | it is as long as you tell authors they have to do cleanup in LibActivate |
| 08:25.34 | ckknight | "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away" - Antoine de Saint-Exupry |
| 08:25.53 | ckknight | I also added a LibDeactivate, which compliments LibActivate |
| 08:25.57 | Iriel | and they can't ever do cleanup of a not-ever-used instance |
| 08:26.15 | ckknight | if not AceLibrary:IsNewVersion(major, minor) then return end |
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| 08:26.52 | Iriel | Youve' had to duplicate major and minor then |
| 08:26.58 | Iriel | which of course, isnt' hard |
| 08:27.07 | Maldivia | hmm... Iriel... you're up late :) |
| 08:27.08 | Iriel | but it's a potential source of discontinuity later |
| 08:27.28 | Iriel | yeah, long day, didn't get home until after 10pm so i'm winding down |
| 08:28.07 | ckknight | duplicate how? |
| 08:28.08 | Maldivia | hehe, ok :) |
| 08:29.03 | Iriel | well, you need to have the major and minor versions to check if it's not a new version, and then you need them again in the GetLibraryVersion method |
| 08:29.15 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:29.26 | ckknight | I like to have my major and minor versions at the top of the file |
| 08:29.37 | Iriel | sure it's not rocket science to solve, but still something to be mindful of |
| 08:29.44 | ckknight | local MAJOR_VERSION = "Spell 1.2" |
| 08:29.44 | ckknight | local MINOR_VERSION = tonumber(string.sub("$Revision: 2465 $", 12, -3)) |
| 08:30.18 | Iriel | I've taken to using ant replacements at deploy time, based on the checked-in status of my code |
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| 08:32.10 | ckknight | I've been using svn:keywords |
| 08:32.25 | Iriel | you have to manage that by hand though dont you? |
| 08:32.51 | ckknight | no |
| 08:32.58 | ckknight | you set it once, it works |
| 08:33.13 | Iriel | Sorry, what I meant was, you have to remember to check the file in |
| 08:33.17 | ckknight | I do date + revision number |
| 08:33.24 | ckknight | well, yea |
| 08:33.29 | ckknight | but you should do that anyway |
| 08:33.35 | Iriel | I agree you SHOULD |
| 08:33.56 | Iriel | $Revision:$ doesn't handle multi-file libraries, either |
| 08:34.02 | Iriel | not that they're all that common |
| 08:34.22 | ckknight | yea, I know |
| 08:40.49 | AnduinLothar | how do i find the most recent revision # of sn svn working copy? |
| 08:41.01 | Iriel | svn status? |
| 08:41.25 | Iriel | svn status -v |
| 08:42.07 | Iriel | Or you could parse it out of .svn/entries |
| 08:42.36 | AnduinLothar | oi... most recent fo a folder? |
| 08:43.06 | Iriel | well, it tells you the revision of the directory that was checked out |
| 08:43.20 | Iriel | assuming your working copy is up to date, it'd be what you're after, probably |
| 08:43.23 | AnduinLothar | it tells you a whole lot more.. |
| 08:43.27 | Iriel | yes, yes it does |
| 08:43.43 | AnduinLothar | it's slow |
| 08:43.55 | AnduinLothar | i cant just grab the most recent #? |
| 08:43.55 | Iriel | svn status -v ? slow? |
| 08:44.12 | Iriel | It's practically instantaneous for me, though i'm not at the root of a particularly deep working copy |
| 08:44.14 | AnduinLothar | it's slow when you have a hundred svn:External links |
| 08:44.36 | AnduinLothar | and thousands of files |
| 08:44.38 | Iriel | You may want to consider looking at the .svn/entries files yourself |
| 08:44.50 | Iriel | You'll need to make some assumptions about your update habits |
| 08:44.57 | Iriel | if you want to avoid having to scan ALL of the files |
| 08:45.26 | AnduinLothar | there isn't something that updates a folder's most recent # when it gets updated? |
| 08:45.36 | Iriel | There is, it's in .svn/entries |
| 08:45.50 | Iriel | as the revisiona ttribute of the first entry |
| 08:46.00 | AnduinLothar | oi... more xml to parse.. |
| 08:47.32 | AnduinLothar | mmm, spose i can use a command line parse.. |
| 08:48.13 | AnduinLothar | oh nm |
| 08:48.16 | AnduinLothar | svn info |
| 08:48.29 | AnduinLothar | Last Changed Rev: |
| 08:48.31 | Iriel | aha, handy |
| 08:48.38 | Iriel | You want "Revision" I think |
| 08:48.45 | AnduinLothar | ah, yes |
| 08:49.52 | Iriel | well, I suppose it depends if you want the revision of the repository at time of last update, or the last revision contained in the files you're looking at |
| 08:50.10 | Iriel | though, due to deletes, I suspect the revision of the repository is more useful |
| 08:50.53 | Iriel | Though that might update the last revision on the directory that contained the file |
| 08:52.22 | Iriel | Hm, it does, but only after an update |
| 08:54.21 | Iriel | the nice thing is that after an update it appears that "Last Changed Rev" IS in fact the one you want |
| 08:54.31 | ckknight | Iriel, question |
| 08:54.35 | Iriel | which is the highest revision change in that directory or any direct (non-external) subdirectory |
| 08:54.42 | Iriel | ckknight : yes? |
| 08:54.57 | ckknight | why is it :LibActivate(stub, oldInstance) instead of just :LibActivate(oldInstance)? |
| 08:55.10 | ckknight | why did you design it that way? |
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| 08:56.18 | ckknight | I don't see the point in needing access to stub |
| 08:57.07 | Iriel | I know I had a good reason, I cant remember what it was |
| 08:57.27 | Iriel | Oh, I remember |
| 08:57.39 | Iriel | so it could get at stub:ReplaceInstance |
| 08:57.51 | Iriel | or any other utility methods the stub might provide (in future stubs) |
| 08:58.11 | Iriel | you obviously wouldn't have such a need with your approach |
| 08:58.23 | ckknight | woot |
| 08:58.26 | ckknight | ripping it out |
| 08:59.40 | MoonWolf | if libstub was an animal of some sort acelib would be libstub with a large part of it intestines on the ground and ckknight standing over it with a huge butchers knife and a really scary grin. |
| 09:00.19 | ckknight | and then the temptation to eat the entrails would overwhelm me... |
| 09:00.30 | ckknight | if only I brought some fire making tools |
| 09:00.31 | ckknight | oh well |
| 09:00.32 | Iriel | on that note i've got to try and sleep |
| 09:00.33 | ckknight | have to do without |
| 09:01.41 | Iriel | ckknight : Be sure to document the groundrules that your authors need to follow, but since you ARE laying out groundrules, you can likely end up with something VERY lean and mean. |
| 09:03.30 | Iriel | I may suggest you go with LibCreate and LibDestroy instead of LibActivate and LibDeactivate |
| 09:03.43 | Iriel | To make clear that it works a bit differently |
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| 09:04.48 | ckknight | Iriel, I know |
| 09:04.52 | Iriel | anyway. sleep! |
| 09:04.53 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:05.00 | ckknight | you may be right about that |
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| 09:30.33 | AnduinLothar | so apparently i committed to the svn durring the hour that dst loses... sooo... it explodes when i try to convert it from utc to local |
| 09:30.44 | ckknight | hehe |
| 09:30.46 | AnduinLothar | (2006, 4, 2, 2, 4, 53, 6, 0, -1) |
| 09:31.07 | AnduinLothar | dst loses from 2-3am |
| 09:32.01 | AnduinLothar | so my 3 commits at 02:04:53 breaks any code that tries to convert it.. |
| 09:33.25 | ckknight | now who's fault is that? |
| 09:33.46 | MoonWolf | dst ? |
| 09:33.47 | ckknight | Benjamin Franklin's, that's who |
| 09:34.11 | AnduinLothar | oh and some crazy person used non UTF-8 characters in an svn commit msg |
| 09:34.16 | AnduinLothar | that breaks everything too |
| 09:34.19 | ckknight | icky |
| 09:34.31 | ckknight | try: except: |
| 09:35.18 | AnduinLothar | right, i know... but i still don't know how to handle them.. |
| 09:36.03 | AnduinLothar | zomg that character's not even in UTF-16 O.o |
| 09:37.03 | AnduinLothar | UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 9379: ordinal not in range(128) |
| 09:37.23 | AnduinLothar | i swear i told it UTF-16 |
| 09:37.30 | AnduinLothar | not ascii |
| 09:38.15 | ckknight | is it ANSI? |
| 09:40.31 | AnduinLothar | meh? |
| 09:51.43 | ckknight | ANSI encoding |
| 09:51.55 | ckknight | it's ASCII with 127 more characters |
| 09:52.10 | AnduinLothar | no idea what svn logs use |
| 09:52.42 | ckknight | well, pretty sure that the svn log uses bytestrings |
| 09:52.48 | ckknight | which means no encoding |
| 09:52.56 | ckknight | so it depends on the client |
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| 11:07.03 | AnduinLothar | ok well that was pretty much failure |
| 11:07.36 | AnduinLothar | if it can't correctly decode you just lose the whole message... better than blowing up i spose |
| 11:11.40 | MoonWolf | fun times |
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| 11:27.52 | ckknight | kersplode! |
| 11:28.31 | AnduinLothar | sooo... how would i prepend some text to a file via command line |
| 11:28.57 | ckknight | ooh |
| 11:29.03 | ckknight | toughie |
| 11:29.09 | ckknight | you have python available? |
| 11:29.13 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 11:29.38 | ckknight | text = file('file.txt').read() |
| 11:29.48 | ckknight | text = 'stuff' + text |
| 11:29.59 | AnduinLothar | meh. i wanna do it all on one line |
| 11:30.05 | AnduinLothar | maybe awk |
| 11:30.06 | ckknight | file('file.txt' ,'w').write(text) |
| 11:30.09 | ckknight | okay |
| 11:30.10 | ckknight | hang on |
| 11:30.46 | ckknight | file('file.txt' ,'w').write( 'stuff' + file('file.txt').read()) |
| 11:31.17 | ckknight | because Python uses reference counting, it closes the files properly |
| 11:34.16 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): any way to check for multiple format strings in BabbleLib? |
| 11:34.33 | ckknight | sadly, no |
| 11:34.42 | ckknight | just check em one at a time |
| 11:34.50 | JoshBorke | indeed :_( |
| 11:34.56 | ckknight | I won't add that feature, either, cause it'd interfere with trailers |
| 11:35.01 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 11:35.54 | JoshBorke | what does Deformat return if it doesn't match? |
| 11:35.56 | JoshBorke | nil? |
| 11:36.20 | ckknight | nil, right |
| 11:36.50 | ckknight | actually a series of nils |
| 11:37.00 | ckknight | if you have 3 args, it'll return nil, nil, nil |
| 11:37.04 | JoshBorke | so could i do a check for 2 that are similar, say: 'local target,spell,amt = bCore:Deformat(arg1,HEALEDSELFOTHER) or bCore:Deformat(arg1,HEALEDCRITSELFOTHER)'? |
| 11:37.18 | ckknight | well, first you want to update to BabbleLib 1.2 |
| 11:37.23 | ckknight | hehe |
| 11:37.30 | ckknight | no, you can't do that |
| 11:37.34 | ckknight | lua doesn't like that |
| 11:37.35 | JoshBorke | lol, i've already partially upgraded from 1.0 :-/ |
| 11:37.39 | JoshBorke | that's what i was thinking |
| 11:37.55 | AnduinLothar | or you could use Localization |
| 11:37.55 | JoshBorke | half my mod is using the old 1.0 version, and the other half is the spiffy 1.1 version |
| 11:38.16 | ckknight | JoshBorke, 1.1 or 1.2? |
| 11:38.22 | JoshBorke | 1.1 version |
| 11:38.29 | ckknight | that's already outdated. |
| 11:38.30 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, what's so great about Localization? |
| 11:38.46 | ckknight | progress is fun, eh? |
| 11:38.54 | AnduinLothar | it's more specialer |
| 11:39.04 | AnduinLothar | and allows for dynamic swapping |
| 11:39.05 | ckknight | local deformat = BabbleLib:GetInstance("Deformat 1.2") |
| 11:39.19 | ckknight | local target, spell, amt = deformat(arg1, HEALEDSELFOTHER) |
| 11:39.20 | AnduinLothar | and allows you to grab specific localized strings |
| 11:39.35 | ckknight | that's not the goal of BabbleLib at all |
| 11:39.41 | JoshBorke | great, parser lib is released |
| 11:39.41 | ckknight | they're two very different things |
| 11:39.52 | AnduinLothar | i know :) |
| 11:40.31 | AnduinLothar | BabbleLib has absolutely nothing in common |
| 11:40.35 | ckknight | right |
| 11:40.46 | ckknight | some of the new features in 1.2 are pretty neat |
| 11:40.56 | ckknight | local C = BabbleLib:GetInstance("Class 1.2") |
| 11:41.05 | ckknight | C"Warlock" == "Hexenmeister" |
| 11:41.07 | JoshBorke | yea, i like that :-) |
| 11:41.09 | AnduinLothar | but i always get it mixed up with Auc's Babble |
| 11:41.20 | JoshBorke | it's nifty, but i'll never use it :D |
| 11:41.29 | ckknight | oh well |
| 11:41.39 | AnduinLothar | need to stop reusing names |
| 11:41.40 | ckknight | deformat works like a function now as well |
| 11:41.52 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, I didn't know it existed |
| 11:42.00 | AnduinLothar | excuses :P |
| 11:42.07 | ckknight | someone else gave me the name |
| 11:42.07 | AnduinLothar | do your research |
| 11:42.39 | ckknight | why? |
| 11:43.01 | AnduinLothar | before you pick a name, you sould always google it |
| 11:43.31 | ckknight | BabbleLib seems to be turning up my addon. |
| 11:43.58 | ckknight | yea, didn't find anything |
| 11:44.02 | ckknight | so what's your point now? |
| 11:44.15 | AnduinLothar | that your name is very similar :P |
| 11:44.26 | AnduinLothar | and it confuses my poor memory |
| 11:44.27 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 11:44.47 | JoshBorke | good thing we don't have generic names like Localization hanging around :-) |
| 11:44.52 | ckknight | yea |
| 11:45.02 | ckknight | well, I didn't find BabbleLib on google, so I don't see a problem |
| 11:45.05 | AnduinLothar | ah, but that one i know isn't used |
| 11:45.17 | AnduinLothar | and is garenteed to cause confusion |
| 11:45.31 | ckknight | Localization seems confusing |
| 11:45.45 | AnduinLothar | right... that's what i just said |
| 11:46.13 | JoshBorke | either be explicity confusing or not at all? |
| 11:47.08 | AnduinLothar | exactly... if you're gonna be confusing, do it on purpose. |
| 11:47.30 | ckknight | your argument is flawed |
| 11:47.37 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 11:47.57 | AnduinLothar | it's 5 am... you're flawed |
| 11:48.10 | JoshBorke | fallacy! |
| 11:48.28 | ckknight | it's 1:48 AM |
| 11:48.33 | wereHamster | so uhm.. what exactly are you arguing about? |
| 11:48.34 | AnduinLothar | that and i still can't figure out how to add to a file without using python |
| 11:48.48 | ckknight | why not use python? |
| 11:49.19 | JoshBorke | you guys, it's almost 8am! |
| 11:49.28 | JoshBorke | syncronize your clocks or something :-) |
| 11:49.31 | JoshBorke | morning wereHamster |
| 11:49.38 | wereHamster | morning |
| 11:49.43 | ckknight | wereHamster, he says BabbleLib is a confusing name |
| 11:49.53 | ckknight | and he said Localization is better because it's confusing |
| 11:51.18 | AnduinLothar | it's better because it's sposed to be confusing |
| 11:51.33 | JoshBorke | it's all about the intentions! |
| 11:51.33 | AnduinLothar | BabbleLib is unintentionally confusing |
| 11:51.39 | ckknight | no |
| 11:51.47 | ckknight | the road to hell is paved with good intentions |
| 11:51.51 | ckknight | results are what is important. |
| 11:52.03 | AnduinLothar | for all have sinned |
| 11:52.16 | ckknight | not I |
| 11:52.24 | AnduinLothar | did BabbleLib ask forgiveness? |
| 11:52.25 | ckknight | for I am the prophet. |
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| 11:52.33 | AnduinLothar | of the Ori? |
| 11:53.37 | ckknight | nope |
| 11:53.41 | Kirkburn | Oh, this is just great ... a raid vs trash mob in Naxx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xzv28z6EBA |
| 11:53.58 | Kirkburn | (with an excellent use of music) |
| 11:55.05 | ckknight | what is the name of that song? |
| 11:57.57 | ckknight | lol |
| 11:58.07 | ckknight | so was the mob bugged or just really hard to beat? |
| 11:59.34 | AnduinLothar | so your python script just replaces the contents of the file |
| 11:59.48 | ckknight | hrm |
| 12:00.00 | ckknight | okay, then don't do it on one line |
| 12:00.00 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 12:00.09 | AnduinLothar | have to or i can't do it in bash |
| 12:00.26 | ckknight | text = 'stuff' + file('file.txt').read(); file('file.txt', 'w').wriite(text) |
| 12:00.29 | ckknight | that'll do it for you |
| 12:00.34 | ckknight | err, write, not wriite |
| 12:01.15 | ckknight | going to sleep |
| 12:02.23 | JoshBorke | night ckknight |
| 12:02.32 | AnduinLothar | python -c "path='/Games/World of Warcraft/Interface/Cosmos Distros/data/changes_core.txt';txt='mooo'+file(path).read();file(path,'w').write(txt)" |
| 12:02.44 | AnduinLothar | i win |
| 12:02.59 | AnduinLothar | or you win! |
| 12:05.03 | JoshBorke | only way to know if a spell is casting is to register for SPELLCAST_START and keep a variable? |
| 12:05.51 | AnduinLothar | PlayerFrame.casting i think |
| 12:06.19 | JoshBorke | negatory |
| 12:09.36 | AnduinLothar | sleep |
| 12:10.54 | JoshBorke | night |
| 12:10.55 | Kirkburn | ckknight, it's the Benny Hill theme |
| 12:11.10 | Kirkburn | Morning |
| 12:11.16 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 12:12.10 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 12:12.11 | JoshBorke | afk |
| 12:12.22 | Kirkburn | Most people are, when they're asleep |
| 12:25.39 | JoshBorke | well, i'm hardly asleep :-) |
| 12:26.30 | Kirkburn | I see ... |
| 12:37.38 | wereHamster | NFS is soo slow.. :( |
| 12:38.52 | JoshBorke | i agree |
| 12:42.07 | krka|work | need for speed is slow? |
| 12:42.12 | krka|work | sounds silly to me |
| 12:43.29 | wereHamster | NFS stands for NiFty Stopwatch ! |
| 12:43.46 | krka|work | and Network File System |
| 12:43.47 | End-sleep | I thought you guys were talking about the network file system... :O |
| 12:43.50 | JoshBorke | how does one check if you just left a group? |
| 12:44.40 | wereHamster | of course it's Network File System .. what else could be 'soo slow'.. ;) |
| 12:47.28 | wereHamster | with my own networking code and a simple server that dumps the data to the disk, I can get 100MB/s.. with NFS not more than 15MB/s with lockups every couple of seconds.. |
| 12:48.32 | End | weird |
| 12:48.46 | End | sounds like nfs isn't set up correctly o_O |
| 12:48.48 | End | or something |
| 12:49.06 | End | wait |
| 12:49.12 | End | huh |
| 12:49.24 | End | are you sure you don't mean bits? |
| 12:49.32 | End | not bytes? |
| 12:50.15 | wereHamster | probably.. my applet displays 'MB' but maybe that's wrong.. |
| 12:50.34 | End | actually, it might be right |
| 12:51.04 | End | are both ends + switch supporting gigabit? |
| 12:51.07 | wereHamster | I have GBit ethernet.. |
| 12:51.15 | End | that's probably right then |
| 12:51.47 | wereHamster | I need at least 50MB/s to be able to transfer raw 1280x1024 YUV frames ;) |
| 12:52.03 | End | of course, I have no idea why nfs is being flaky for you |
| 12:54.33 | Maldivia | writing 100MB/sec to a disk... hmm |
| 12:55.55 | End | hmm, I'm having less than stellar results as well, only getting 24MB/sec across nfs |
| 12:56.22 | End | OTOH |
| 12:56.41 | JoshBorke | that's impressive, 100MB/sec...isn't it capped at 133MB/sec? |
| 12:56.59 | JoshBorke | well, not capped, but theoretical limit for SATA 1? |
| 12:57.09 | End | sata is 150 I think |
| 12:57.20 | wereHamster | .. if the network card was on the SATA bus.. |
| 12:57.44 | Maldivia | sata1 is 150MB/sec, yes |
| 12:58.02 | Maldivia | sata2 is 300 |
| 12:58.09 | Maldivia | theoretical max... |
| 12:58.17 | wereHamster | sata3 600 etc.. |
| 13:08.41 | JoshBorke | what version of NFS? |
| 13:09.47 | JoshBorke | freezes could come from locking problems |
| 13:11.27 | wereHamster | NFSv3 |
| 13:13.01 | JoshBorke | hm, rsize? wsize? |
| 13:14.00 | wereHamster | both 8192 |
| 13:14.51 | wereHamster | well.. not anymore, but I tried changing these options and I didn't see any improvement.. |
| 13:23.28 | JoshBorke | tcp or udp? locking daemon running? is it a single file? |
| 13:25.18 | wereHamster | single file, lockd is running, and I think it's UDP |
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| 14:12.12 | ScytheBlade1 | This is going to seem like an odd question |
| 14:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way to move where the camera is centerd? |
| 14:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Along the Y axis? |
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| 14:46.29 | kaso | Weren't camera functions disabled last pacth along with movement functions/. |
| 14:52.48 | Tem | only the ones that initiate movement |
| 14:52.53 | Tem | (I think) |
| 14:53.00 | Tem | there's a list somewhere |
| 15:00.46 | End | yeah, that sounds about right |
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| 15:08.13 | Kirkburn | *whoompf* ... Hello! |
| 15:09.00 | End | hullo der |
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| 15:11.06 | Kirkburn | Top of the mornin' to ya! |
| 15:11.36 | Cairenn | And a good day to you as well Kirkburn |
| 15:11.54 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:12.09 | End | mornin Cairenn |
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| 15:12.18 | Cairenn | hey End :) |
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| 15:20.10 | Ktron | Morning everyone |
| 15:20.52 | Ktron | Haven't found my way back in here for a while ;) |
| 15:21.02 | Cairenn | hey Ktron, good to see ya! |
| 15:21.44 | Kirkburn | Hey, this is quite useful ... a settings and addon backup prog: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2699 |
| 15:22.48 | Cairenn | ah yes, because it is very difficult to manually make a copy of your Interface, WTF and WDB folders ... |
| 15:23.30 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:23.37 | Ktron | heh ;)... Last time I counted, I had 17 different versions of my Addons/ folder... I didn't bother with the others that much though |
| 15:23.41 | Cairenn | sorry, that was rather snarky |
| 15:25.24 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: let me know when you are awake and here, please? |
| 15:28.20 | Kirkburn | Uh, anyone know if this is real? http://www.wowwiki.com/Bomber_Command |
| 15:28.41 | Ktron | Anyone feel like confirming for me that svn.wowace.com is down? |
| 15:28.44 | Tain | If it's on the Internet it has to be true. |
| 15:28.53 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, it's a .NET app .. |
| 15:29.11 | Cide | the map exists, yes |
| 15:29.20 | Cide | it's an official blizzard map to WC3, yes |
| 15:29.27 | Kirkburn | Ta Cide |
| 15:29.37 | End | Ktron, the svnweb is down, but svn is up it looks like |
| 15:29.40 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, not a fan of .NET? |
| 15:29.40 | Tain | I can get it to the svn fine, Ktron. Using an svn client. |
| 15:29.56 | Ktron | ah, pff... I guess I'll have to learn how to use a svn client then |
| 15:30.19 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, it doesn't run on my system.. |
| 15:30.40 | Kirkburn | Useless system :) |
| 15:31.05 | wereHamster | like most of the .NET executables it's written in VB .. |
| 15:31.32 | Cide | Kirkburn: can be found at the bottom of http://battle.net/mod/mapvault_archive2.shtml |
| 15:31.54 | Tain | With .NET it matters a lot less what langugae it's written in, it's the .NET runtime that matters. |
| 15:32.18 | Kirkburn | Cool Cide, I'll link that source :) |
| 15:32.49 | wereHamster | it matters if you get error messages like "The class Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase could not be loaded" |
| 15:33.09 | Tain | That's a programmer issue, not a language issue though. |
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| 15:34.11 | Tain | I know it doesn't matter what the issue is if it doesn't work, but it isn't actually VB that is the cause of that. |
| 15:35.04 | Tain | The app is trying to load a .NET class that either doesn't exist on your system, or was incorrectly referenced in the code, most likely. |
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| 15:35.23 | wereHamster | I'd say it doesn't exist |
| 15:35.36 | MoonWolf | vb doesnt exist |
| 15:35.42 | MoonWolf | its all a big lie |
| 15:36.04 | End | do you have .NET 2.0? |
| 15:36.06 | Tain | I wouldn't use it, but VB.NET is a long way away from what people knew as VB in the past. |
| 15:37.03 | Ktron | Don't say such things, .NET will hear you! It will demand... a sacrifice1 |
| 15:37.13 | Ktron | s/sacrifice1/sacrifice!/ |
| 15:37.29 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 15:37.41 | Tain | I like .NET. If Windows is your target platform it's the best way to go. |
| 15:38.06 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 15:38.14 | MoonWolf | but i prefer doing the code in c# |
| 15:38.23 | Tain | Well yeah, I'd never actually use VB to do anything. |
| 15:38.43 | Ktron | perl, who is the .NET sacrificee? |
| 15:38.47 | Ktron | purl, who is the .NET sacrificee? |
| 15:38.50 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Ktron |
| 15:38.50 | Tain | But when learning about .NET I got code examples in VB and C# and they're a lot more similar than they were. |
| 15:38.57 | Ktron | purl, .NET sacrificee? |
| 15:38.58 | purl | .net sacrificee is, like, MoonWolf |
| 15:39.09 | MoonWolf | anything with a DIM statement is evil. |
| 15:39.17 | wereHamster | It's possible to write cross-platform .NET apps.. mono has Windows.Forms |
| 15:39.49 | Tain | If you're not doing graphical stuff you can do a LOT with mono. You can still do a lot with Windows.Forms as long as you know where the limitations are. |
| 15:39.57 | Ktron | I think I'd agree with you Tain if I did that sort of thing, I think .NET seems like a better way to handle programming for windows |
| 15:40.24 | MoonWolf | .net simply is better then all the other interfaces microsoft thought of. |
| 15:40.26 | MoonWolf | and its fast too. |
| 15:40.30 | MoonWolf | unlike java |
| 15:40.37 | Tain | But if I knew I were starting out to be cross-platform I'd still use java. |
| 15:40.44 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 15:41.11 | Tain | Or Lua! I'll code a GUI in Lua! |
| 15:41.19 | MoonWolf | suuuuure |
| 15:43.17 | Ktron | They need to make straight up xml/php support for coding windows for a Window Manager |
| 15:47.25 | Kirkburn | The office 2007 UI is coded in XML now |
| 15:48.15 | Kirkburn | (I think so, anyway) |
| 15:48.46 | Ktron | That's cool... Like, I realized after I said xml/php that there's probably a few more things we'd need... probably enough to support AJAX perhaps... but there's no reason to make coding an interface any harder than it is to code an interface for WoW or the internet |
| 15:49.47 | Ktron | Alright, to restart to install TortoiseSVN... be back |
| 15:49.48 | Dolby-wowi | wow, I must be drunk, I'm seeing 4 cairenns |
| 15:49.54 | Ktron | lol |
| 15:51.20 | Cairenn | morning Dolby-wowi |
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| 15:59.33 | Ktron | what address should I be using with TortoiseSVN to connect to svn.wowace.com, or do I completely misunderstand SVN? |
| 16:03.14 | Cairenn | I think the problem is that the svn is down atm |
| 16:04.06 | Cairenn | the web:svn is down, according to MoonWolf |
| 16:04.24 | Cairenn | but normally it's http://svn.wowace.com |
| 16:04.45 | Cairenn | and I access it from my regular browser |
| 16:04.45 | Ktron | I thought only the web:svn was though, therefore if I learned how to use TortoiseSVN I could sneak around it... but it looks like the web bit is back up |
| 16:04.56 | MoonWolf | http://svn.wowace.com/root/ <- limited svn access. |
| 16:05.18 | MoonWolf | the svn itself is working properly |
| 16:05.24 | MoonWolf | but the web interface is down |
| 16:05.30 | MoonWolf | cladhaire already contacted the isp |
| 16:05.37 | Ktron | yeah, it's up again, while it was down I figured I'd try to learn how to use TortoiseSVN and get the SVN that way and bypass the web bit |
| 16:05.42 | Kirkburn | *sigh* ... why do people vandalise the wiki :( |
| 16:05.44 | Ktron | ahhh... okay MoonWolf |
| 16:05.52 | Ktron | what'd they'd do Kirkburn ? |
| 16:05.54 | Cairenn | what now Kirkburn? |
| 16:06.17 | Kirkburn | Ohe.g. http://www.wowwiki.com/Simple_Black_Dress |
| 16:06.22 | Kirkburn | erg |
| 16:06.25 | Kirkburn | e.g. http://www.wowwiki.com/Simple_Black_Dress |
| 16:07.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.08 | Ktron | Oh, heh... I was expect a naked person in a black dress or something slightly more heinous |
| 16:08.06 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:09.18 | Kirkburn | Forunately, he got bored after 5 mins |
| 16:11.11 | Ktron | I was thinking about putting some serious effort into wowwiki at some point-- kind of making an advanced categorization system that I'd have to manage for addons-- really specific categories, so that it's easier for people to see options/alternatives |
| 16:11.26 | Ktron | We'll see if I do though |
| 16:11.39 | Kirkburn | I'm sure it would be appreciated |
| 16:12.02 | Ktron | heh, I'd use it |
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| 16:40.50 | Ktron | "attempt to index global `Metrognome' (a nil value)"... Is there a Metrognome addon kicking around? |
| 16:41.02 | Gryphen | on wowi |
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| 17:22.51 | Tain | I could be wrong, but I think Metrognome is more intended to be included with an addon as an embedded lib. If there's an addon that needs it it's supposed to be included with it. |
| 17:27.36 | Ktron | PerfectRaidTargets was throwing an error about it... and CompostLib too... but I'll see if adding them 'fixed' it |
| 17:28.22 | Ktron | now it's asking about Gratuity |
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| 17:28.36 | Tain | Those are all supposed to be libs included. |
| 17:30.44 | Ktron | hm |
| 17:30.47 | Elkano | install FuBar and you'll have them ;) |
| 17:30.53 | Ktron | I'll check to see whether it works anyway... heh |
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| 17:32.24 | Ktron | hm, I don't think it is working... ah well |
| 17:33.01 | Ktron | FuBar has a lot of libraries in it? |
| 17:34.10 | Elkano | yes. so installing FuBar will have the side effect that it will install and load them. but if the other addon loads before fubar does... well... bad luck |
| 17:34.31 | Elkano | but you could also install the stand alone vrsions of the libs |
| 17:35.04 | Ktron | and I could set FuBar as a dependancy of PerfectRaidTargets |
| 17:35.13 | Ktron | or I could wait until there's an actual release |
| 17:35.47 | Tain | Does your PerfectRaidTargets have the CompostLib, GratuityLib, and MetrognomeLib directories under it? |
| 17:37.04 | Ktron | nope, it has no directories at all |
| 17:37.16 | Tain | It's supposed to, where did you get it from? |
| 17:37.29 | Ktron | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/PerfectRaidTargets/ |
| 17:37.56 | Ktron | Only place I know of to get it right now |
| 17:38.10 | Tain | Oh, never used the web interface, looks like it doesn't link correctly to the libs. |
| 17:38.29 | Tain | Using an svn client you would get everything. |
| 17:38.57 | Ktron | well, this is the 'limited' web interface too, so who knows... I tried using tortoiseSVN but never having used it before, I was a bit lost |
| 17:39.00 | Tain | Or get http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/CompostLib/Lib http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/GratuityLib/Lib http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/Metrognome/Lib |
| 17:39.10 | Tain | And put those under PerfectRaidTargets |
| 17:40.06 | Ktron | Do you use TortoiseSVN? maybe 30 seconds worth of questions and I'll be able to see things correctly |
| 17:40.17 | Tain | I do use Tortoise yeah |
| 17:40.32 | Ktron | what is the 'URL of repository' for wowace? svn.wowace.com? |
| 17:41.34 | Tain | If you want to get everything use: svn.wowace.com/root/trunk |
| 17:42.06 | Ktron | I got out of a link in... maybe Tekkub's sig where to get and start TortoiseSVN, but not what sort of things I'd use for the URL of repository... ah, and if I want say, just PerfectRaidTargets, I'd use svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/PerfectRaidTargets/ |
| 17:42.47 | Tain | Right |
| 17:43.20 | Tain | Or technically http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/PerfectRaidTargets |
| 17:43.46 | Ktron | yep, I figured out the http:// business... and it didn't download the libs the first time, but it did after I tried updating it |
| 17:44.30 | Tain | Ah ok, that's interesting, never knew that it would do that. Have to keep that in mind for anyone downloading for the first time. |
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| 17:45.28 | Abenadi | anyone know the argument(s) passed by player_death? |
| 17:45.39 | Ktron | I think I had to update twice too, but I might have been mistaken... looked anyway like it downloaded all but the libs, then the libs, then updated the libs |
| 17:46.17 | Abenadi | or is that event just for your own death not for others in party/raid |
| 17:47.08 | Tain | I always thought PLAYER_DEAD only fires for your own death, but I actually don't know that for sure. |
| 17:47.29 | Abenadi | ok... i guess there's chat_msg_combat_friendly_death |
| 17:47.48 | Abenadi | i haven't used chat message events before, does it just pass the whole message as the sole arg? |
| 17:49.09 | kaso | Yes |
| 17:49.26 | Abenadi | ok |
| 17:49.46 | kaso | Something like Soandso dies. |
| 17:49.54 | Abenadi | cool thanks. |
| 17:49.59 | kaso | You can find the exact string in Globalstrings |
| 17:50.06 | Abenadi | sounds like a good char name btw |
| 17:50.54 | Abenadi | uuuuummmm not familiar with globalstrings |
| 17:51.16 | kaso | globalstrings.lua is like the Default UI's localisation file basically |
| 17:51.27 | Abenadi | ah |
| 17:51.27 | Kirkburn | Very VERY long |
| 17:52.14 | kaso | if you're going to be using the arg you might want to use the global instead of the plain text then if someone with a differnt lanuage uses your mod itll work too |
| 17:52.22 | kaso | UNITDIESOTHER = "%s dies."; |
| 17:52.33 | Abenadi | I see... |
| 17:52.57 | Abenadi | I haven't yet unpacked the blizz interface, what do i use to do that? |
| 17:53.35 | Cairenn | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01669p |
| 17:53.36 | kaso | theres a tool blizzard releases ill see if i can find you a link |
| 17:53.40 | kaso | ah there :> |
| 17:53.44 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:54.05 | Kirkburn | Does this make any sense at all? "(Important to note: while the Bruisers may break up fights in other games, in WoW the ones in Ratchet do not punish players who start fights or kill other players. It seems reasonable to assume that this is the case with the other goblin cities as well. In other words, if you visit one of the cities in question it is suggested that you not be flagged for pvp at the time)" |
| 17:54.18 | Kirkburn | (talking about Goblin Bruisers) |
| 17:54.46 | Cairenn | makes sense to me |
| 17:54.56 | Abenadi | bruisers in what other games? |
| 17:55.06 | Kirkburn | But it contradicts itself! |
| 17:55.17 | Kirkburn | and also, what Abenadi said |
| 17:55.42 | Cairenn | where/how does it contradict itself? |
| 17:55.57 | Abenadi | i don't think it contradicts itself but the wording is a bit weird |
| 17:56.10 | Kirkburn | It says they do nothing in Ratchet, yet you should not flag yourself for PvP |
| 17:56.27 | Abenadi | i think its saying that you shouldn't pvp-flag in OTHER cities |
| 17:56.32 | Abenadi | but yes it is unclear |
| 17:56.41 | Ktron | and... isn't the completely the opposite of that? don't the bruisers always 'break up' fights? |
| 17:56.43 | Cairenn | I'm presuming it means that if you are low level, you won't be protected |
| 17:56.45 | Abenadi | and i'm still wondering what other games he's talking about that have bruisers |
| 17:56.57 | zenzelezz | I agree with waht Cairenn |
| 17:57.05 | zenzelezz | get flagged and you're on your own |
| 17:57.16 | Cairenn | precisely |
| 17:57.22 | Kirkburn | I have a solution ... [Delete] and rewrite =) |
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| 17:58.24 | Iriel | Morning |
| 17:58.34 | Cairenn | as for "other games", perhaps they are referring to previous Warcrafts? |
| 17:58.38 | Cairenn | hey Iriel |
| 17:58.46 | Kirkburn | Ciao Iriel |
| 17:59.35 | Kirkburn | Pizza and Green Wing is calling me ... |
| 17:59.35 | Iriel | I always hear Eddie Izzard saying 'Ciao' when I hear it |
| 17:59.40 | Iriel | see it, I mean |
| 17:59.42 | Kirkburn | ye gad |
| 18:00.04 | Kirkburn | er .... Buongiorno! |
| 18:02.30 | Kirkburn | I've now got this image of Eddie Izzard hiding away nearby, ready to pop up shouting 'Ciao!' |
| 18:02.42 | Iriel | I think he'd have to scoot by on a vespa |
| 18:02.49 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 18:04.00 | Kirkburn | (probably a bad idea, when your balcony opens onto a road. In Italy.) |
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| 18:10.57 | Ktron | If you delete a character on the test server, it doesn't delete the original right? |
| 18:11.05 | Ktron | and if you delete the copy, can you recopy the old one again? |
| 18:20.08 | Kirkburn | If you still have slots left, yeah |
| 18:20.28 | Kirkburn | And no, deleting something on the test server won't delete the original |
| 18:20.48 | Kirkburn | So basically, there's no point deleting them ... you won't *gain* slots back |
| 18:21.29 | Kirkburn | You have 2 character copies per test phase, iirc ... use them up, they're gone |
| 18:24.43 | Ktron | WoW stole me and my mouse |
| 18:25.11 | Ktron | the thought was, copy over a character, tweak it in one direction and see how it is |
| 18:25.33 | Ktron | then delete/recopy (or maybe copy over if you can do that?) and tweak it the other way and see what happens |
| 18:30.18 | Kirkburn | Probably |
| 18:30.44 | Kirkburn | Can't you just reset talents with the already copied char? |
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| 19:12.17 | Kirkburn | "China orders cinemas to stop showing The Da Vinci Code, weeks after it was released in the country." |
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| 19:19.16 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 19:21.50 | zenzelezz | thank god I got Blood Money... with these freak issues (seemingly) with Telia or between them and the servers, the game is unplayable with lag/disconnects :-| |
| 19:22.04 | Astryl | ... |
| 19:23.39 | Tain | I was just praising porn the same way! |
| 19:29.10 | grimman | Excellent. I missed five(!) calls from a potential employer today. |
| 19:29.16 | End | :O |
| 19:29.19 | Iriel | The same one? |
| 19:29.22 | grimman | Yes. |
| 19:29.23 | kaso | Cell Phone? |
| 19:29.31 | grimman | kaso: Home phone + cell phone. |
| 19:29.32 | Iriel | I guess on the bright side they really want to talk to you |
| 19:29.38 | grimman | It appears so. |
| 19:29.40 | End | yeah, that's what I was about to say :P |
| 19:29.48 | grimman | But still. It doesn't look good for them I guess. ;P |
| 19:29.50 | End | on the bad side...they weren't able to :P |
| 19:30.03 | grimman | I got an email from them at least. |
| 19:30.11 | kaso | "Hi, ive been trying to get incontact with you all day, i just wanted to say, we hated you application dont ever show your face here again!" |
| 19:30.18 | grimman | hehe |
| 19:30.40 | grimman | I think I was creepy during the info meeting with the first interviews. |
| 19:30.52 | grimman | I referred to the people by their first names and they assumed I knew everyone. ;P |
| 19:32.30 | End | it just means you are a communist spy seeking to infiltrate |
| 19:32.39 | End | why communist I dunno |
| 19:32.46 | End | but it's gotta be communist |
| 19:33.01 | grimman | Well, you see, communism isn't a bad idea. |
| 19:33.17 | grimman | Come on, let's talk in private! I've got some friends who'd like to talk to you. |
| 19:34.10 | End | o_O |
| 19:37.14 | Iriel | baCK later, even |
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| 19:58.50 | Astryl | Question... |
| 19:59.09 | Astryl | How do you handle the exclusive-check state of radio-button checkboxes? |
| 19:59.46 | Astryl | Do you just need to write scripts in their OnCheck, that uncheck the others, and check itself? |
| 20:00.05 | wereHamster | yep |
| 20:00.09 | Astryl | OK. |
| 20:05.36 | Kirkburn | Wow, one of the EU threads has so far got 39 blue replies today :) |
| 20:05.54 | Astryl | "Life of a player..." ? |
| 20:05.56 | zenzelezz | which? |
| 20:05.57 | wereHamster | which one? |
| 20:08.38 | Kirkburn | Astryl just told you :) |
| 20:08.43 | Kirkburn | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general-en/1048732.htm |
| 20:09.33 | Kirkburn | Methinks he wasn't very busy today |
| 20:09.44 | Kirkburn | Or, at least, not in demand |
| 20:10.13 | zenzelezz | I'd be more interested in a blue reply to one of the latency/disconnection threads that all seem to accuse Telia |
| 20:10.22 | zenzelezz | other than "zomgs see our network issues FAQ" |
| 20:11.22 | Kirkburn | Well, Telia would answer that better |
| 20:11.56 | zenzelezz | yes, but even a "We are aware of it" or "We have notified Telia about it" would satisfy me |
| 20:12.55 | Kirkburn | Fair enough |
| 20:13.33 | Kirkburn | "All blizzard employees in Europe get 2 free cans [of cola] a day :-)" |
| 20:20.01 | AnduinLothar | same as US |
| 20:20.11 | AnduinLothar | used to be unlimited |
| 20:20.32 | AnduinLothar | then the soda expenditure skyrocketed |
| 20:23.46 | Astryl | MS is unlimited. I used to drink 5+ Mt. Dew's per day while I worked on campus there. |
| 20:24.46 | AnduinLothar | yeah, they only implimented the 2 soda thing a week before i stopped workign there |
| 20:25.10 | Astryl | Ah, I didn't know you stopped. |
| 20:25.29 | Astryl | What happened? (nosey) |
| 20:25.57 | AnduinLothar | difference of oppinion |
| 20:26.13 | AnduinLothar | i thought i should work there, and they didn't agree |
| 20:26.51 | Astryl | Ah, I see. |
| 20:27.00 | AnduinLothar | ok... python's time classes need to be majorly rewritten |
| 20:27.18 | Kirkburn | Not exactly healthy, cola/soda, I should add |
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| 20:27.50 | Kirkburn | I suppose it wasn't the only choice? |
| 20:28.21 | AnduinLothar | why the fuck doesn't time handle microseconds, and datetime doesn't have strptime, an even tho datetime has microseconds you can't format it to output with strftime... |
| 20:28.42 | AnduinLothar | and no instantiatable timezone classes... |
| 20:29.12 | AnduinLothar | it's a crime that i have to write 100 lines of code jsut to do two convertions |
| 20:29.16 | Astryl | Mt. Dew the only choice you mean, Kirk? |
| 20:29.40 | Astryl | Nah, lotsa choices. All manner of soda, tea, juice, milks, coffees... |
| 20:29.44 | Kirkburn | One of my fellow tenants (I can't bring myself to say housemate) has gone for a job interview in Verona today - he's a bit buggered cos he said he could code C++ Perl and Python. He can't code any of them :) |
| 20:30.01 | Astryl | lol |
| 20:30.10 | Astryl | Yep, that'll go over well. :) |
| 20:30.10 | AnduinLothar | there was a slashdot on lying on resumes |
| 20:30.20 | Kirkburn | Astryl, cool .. I'd be pretty pissed off if I couldn't get something healthy :) |
| 20:30.20 | Astryl | linky |
| 20:30.35 | AnduinLothar | it's slashdot use the search :P |
| 20:30.43 | Astryl | Kirk: I'd be pretty pissed if I couldn't wall off my desk in Mt. Dew cans. :) |
| 20:30.44 | AnduinLothar | they had applejuice |
| 20:30.48 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:30.57 | Kirkburn | I do love applejuice |
| 20:31.01 | AnduinLothar | and free water |
| 20:31.03 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 20:31.08 | Astryl | Ah, yes, MS had water too. |
| 20:32.04 | Kirkburn | mmmm, arancia, ananas, passiflora (??), mandarino and papaya |
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| 20:33.12 | Kirkburn | He decided to look at some C++ before he went, but ... well ... he's hoping they don't ask him too many questions |
| 20:33.24 | Kirkburn | Never heard of it |
| 20:33.34 | Astryl | That's got lots of those herby vitaminy things in it... The ones that make girls horny. |
| 20:34.02 | Astryl | Ginsing. Makes girls horny. |
| 20:34.05 | Astryl | No idea why. |
| 20:34.30 | Astryl | http://www.bevnet.com/images/reviews/snapple_elements/elements-fire.jpg |
| 20:34.34 | Kirkburn | Ginseng? |
| 20:34.55 | Ktron|veryafk | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2859963756922857770&q=genre%3Acomedy |
| 20:35.05 | Kirkburn | Common Uses: Enhanced sex drive and fertility |
| 20:35.08 | Ktron|veryafk | not recommended it you are at work |
| 20:35.21 | Kirkburn | _Normally_ you say that _before_ you link it |
| 20:35.37 | Ktron|veryafk | oops |
| 20:36.31 | Kirkburn | Oh, I don't care, I never work :P |
| 20:36.50 | Kirkburn | Very droll :D |
| 20:36.57 | Ktron|wow | nothing that bad anyway |
| 20:37.10 | Ktron|wow | no swears, and it's pro-condoms |
| 20:37.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I wonder what it's from ... I think I recognise the woman |
| 20:38.38 | Kirkburn | I think I recognise the fire bottle |
| 20:39.10 | Kirkburn | New beasties! Enhanced sex drive and fertility |
| 20:39.15 | Kirkburn | damn, wrong link |
| 20:39.20 | Kirkburn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/bestiary.html |
| 20:40.18 | Kirkburn | Wish they fixed that site in IE7 |
| 20:40.25 | zenzelezz | <Kirkburn> New beasties! Enhanced sex drive and fertility <--- like the beasts in WoW don't already respawn fast enough |
| 20:40.33 | Kirkburn | hehe |
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| 20:41.21 | Astryl | Cool looking fungus monsters. |
| 20:42.37 | Miravlix | It's not nice to call Kirk a monster |
| 20:43.27 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 20:44.08 | zenzelezz | https://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-tech-support-en&t=317502&p=1&tmp=1#post317502 |
| 20:44.13 | Kirkburn | Don't think I've ever seen the wiki as busy as it is today |
| 20:44.29 | Kirkburn | It's known |
| 20:45.26 | zenzelezz | why bother killing the flight guy anyway? I imagine their respawn is fast enough |
| 20:45.29 | Kirkburn | Finally, the talent calcs have been rebuilt: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlocks/talents.html |
| 20:45.42 | Miravlix | What do you mean by busy? |
| 20:46.28 | Kirkburn | (ooh, much better in IE) |
| 20:46.45 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, what? Who said busy? |
| 20:47.07 | Miravlix | [22:44] <Kirkburn> Don't think I've ever seen the wiki as busy as it is today |
| 20:47.25 | Miravlix | You? |
| 20:47.36 | Kirkburn | Oh right ... I'm going mad |
| 20:47.44 | Kirkburn | Lots of changes being made |
| 20:48.08 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general-en/1017954.htm |
| 20:48.13 | Miravlix | Anything good? |
| 20:48.45 | Miravlix | # (diff) (hist) . . Instance Guide; 06:08 . . Tempest (Talk) (→Naxxramas {{Alliance Icon Small}}{{Horde Icon Small}}) |
| 20:48.45 | Miravlix | # (diff) (hist) . . m Fansites; 05:26 . . Inadel (Talk) (→News Sites) |
| 20:48.50 | Miravlix | Two changes? |
| 20:49.13 | Miravlix | Are we talking about wowwiki? |
| 20:50.27 | Miravlix | 6, 7 and 8 has been above arvage days in number, but mostly because some people is updating 3-4 times in a row |
| 20:51.49 | Kirkburn | You've lost me |
| 20:52.03 | Kirkburn | Oh, 6th, 7th 8th June |
| 20:52.42 | Kirkburn | Been like this for a bit longer, Mikk has really been shaking stuff up |
| 20:54.56 | Miravlix | Hmm, I don't like this comment "(Interface Customization is more about coding than installing addons. Removing that category.)" to a change of the Cosmos page. |
| 20:55.08 | Miravlix | The Cosmos page is all about installing Cosmos |
| 20:56.22 | Astryl | Hey, anyone know if Khaos supports an option type of selecting a spell/item yet? |
| 20:57.19 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, change it back then :) |
| 20:57.40 | Miravlix | Can't figure out what he changed it still seem to be there |
| 20:57.45 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:58.09 | Miravlix | I've flipped back and forth through revisions, but the download/installing section is still there |
| 20:58.33 | Kirkburn | Feel like making a better Cosmos updater piccie? I think it might, er, be better to demphasise the Thott thing |
| 20:58.58 | Miravlix | We made a new patcher already |
| 20:59.07 | Miravlix | We don't use Thott's anymore |
| 20:59.23 | Kirkburn | I know, silly |
| 20:59.26 | AnduinLothar | no Astryl, it doesn't |
| 20:59.27 | Miravlix | Offcourse our new patcher code seems to have taken a vacation |
| 20:59.33 | Kirkburn | Yes, I noticed |
| 20:59.44 | Miravlix | s/code/coder/ |
| 20:59.49 | Kirkburn | It works though, at least :) |
| 21:00.04 | Gryphen | Thott still distributes his |
| 21:00.04 | Miravlix | There is some it doesn't work for |
| 21:00.10 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, he removed the Interface Customization category |
| 21:00.17 | Miravlix | For one thing it's dead on 64 |
| 21:00.30 | Astryl | New Patcher Coder? |
| 21:00.37 | Astryl | What language is it? |
| 21:00.47 | AnduinLothar | RealBasic |
| 21:00.57 | Astryl | Ah, the Mac patcher? |
| 21:01.05 | Astryl | (Or is there a PC RealBasic too now?) |
| 21:01.27 | AnduinLothar | RealBasic compiles cross platform |
| 21:01.33 | Astryl | Ah |
| 21:02.35 | Miravlix | I can't find heads and tails in Wiki's patch system, If I have Mikk and his comment and I switch around so he is on left and right side, then shouldn't the differ show his changes |
| 21:03.33 | Kirkburn | er |
| 21:04.12 | Miravlix | Hmm, my plan on mirroring a static copy of the Wiki isn't going to well, takes close to a day or two to copy it and I've no good way of removing dynamic entries. |
| 21:04.16 | Kirkburn | (I'm adding the Addons category btw) |
| 21:04.22 | Gryphen | :o |
| 21:04.55 | Kirkburn | zomg, I'm crazy? |
| 21:05.06 | Miravlix | The wiki is one big index.php |
| 21:05.20 | Kirkburn | It's also under enough load as it is :/ |
| 21:05.24 | Miravlix | and the rest is a flast structure /dir |
| 21:06.07 | Miravlix | It's instant for me to use and I have a good delay on the mirroring software. |
| 21:06.38 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, lol you started editing it too :D |
| 21:06.47 | Gryphen | :p |
| 21:06.55 | Gryphen | old old stuff there lol |
| 21:07.24 | Kirkburn | fixy fixy, I did what I could :) |
| 21:07.52 | Astryl | mmm.... |
| 21:08.03 | Astryl | mmm... Chocolate Marshmellow Ripple... mmmmm.... |
| 21:08.43 | Kirkburn | mmm... Girlfriend... mmmmm.... |
| 21:08.58 | Astryl | mmm... fiance... mmmm... |
| 21:09.06 | Astryl | mmmm.... fiance that plays WoW with me.... mmmmmm.... |
| 21:09.19 | Astryl | mmmm... fiance that *raids* with me... mmmmmmmm :) |
| 21:09.20 | AnduinLothar | owned |
| 21:09.45 | Kirkburn | :_( |
| 21:10.00 | Gryphen | wife that raids with me :D |
| 21:10.09 | Gryphen | wife that owns me in fps games :( |
| 21:10.11 | AnduinLothar | lucky bastards |
| 21:10.20 | Astryl | Gryphen owned. |
| 21:10.20 | Kirkburn | goddammit |
| 21:17.01 | Astryl | (Different lyrics in each version) |
| 21:17.21 | Kirov | Anyone know of a hat in wow that looks like a straw hat? |
| 21:17.54 | Kirkburn | Astryl, heh, great idea |
| 21:18.18 | Astryl | Aye, sort of a personal revision identifier. |
| 21:18.36 | Astryl | Usually just a line or two. |
| 21:21.14 | Miravlix | Hmm, with SeaSpellbook and Khaos depending on Sea, it's pretty much 33% slam and 47% dunk to add spellbuttons to Khaos. |
| 21:22.21 | Astryl | Hmm... |
| 21:22.38 | Astryl | Ever looked up the lyrics to a song, and found that you liked what you thought it was better? |
| 21:22.55 | Miravlix | No |
| 21:22.56 | Astryl | "just close your eyes, and die away with me" vs "just close your eyes, and all will be revealed" |
| 21:23.23 | Miravlix | How did you confuse me and revealed? |
| 21:23.24 | Astryl | (It's a really whispy voice, give me a break, I think it sounds more like my way than the real way) |
| 21:23.45 | AnduinLothar | zomg... death... |
| 21:24.05 | AnduinLothar | to get the current time in svn log format: |
| 21:24.08 | AnduinLothar | tt = time.localtime() |
| 21:24.08 | AnduinLothar | parsedTime = datetime.fromtimestamp(time.mktime(tt), utc) |
| 21:24.08 | AnduinLothar | parsedTime = parsedTime.astimezone(Local) |
| 21:24.09 | AnduinLothar | return parsedTime.strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %z (%a, %d %b %Y)") |
| 21:24.37 | AnduinLothar | provided you've defined a UTC and LocalTime class and instantiated them |
| 21:24.59 | Astryl | And it's confused me with the 'vealed' in 'revealed' |
| 21:25.00 | Miravlix | perllib-svn ftw |
| 21:25.18 | AnduinLothar | ? |
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| 21:25.51 | Astryl | Tem! |
| 21:25.54 | Astryl | Our savior! |
| 21:25.58 | Kirkburn | Windows Live Messenger will be made available to the public in 8 days, Friday 16th June 2006. :) |
| 21:25.58 | Tem | uh oh |
| 21:26.04 | Miravlix | The varius libraries talks native SVN, atleast the ones I know of, so they have build in support for reading logs and all that |
| 21:26.05 | AnduinLothar | are you telling me there's perl functions for this already >.< |
| 21:26.18 | Miravlix | Kirkburn: Time to switch to Google |
| 21:26.21 | End | you mean the swig bindings? |
| 21:26.59 | Kirkburn | "Google co-founder Sergey Brin stated that that the search giant may have "compromised our principles" in kowtowing to the Chinese governments demands for censorship" |
| 21:27.00 | Miravlix | I've had perl, php and a python svn installed |
| 21:27.00 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, time to switch to MS? :) |
| 21:27.00 | AnduinLothar | now i'm confused |
| 21:27.11 | Miravlix | What language are you codeing in? |
| 21:27.15 | AnduinLothar | python |
| 21:27.28 | Miravlix | Get python2.4-svn then? |
| 21:27.38 | Kirkburn | I just realised ... Python ... ASP ... Asp ... Python ... |
| 21:27.45 | End | erm, isn't microsoft guilty of doing the same sort of things? |
| 21:27.54 | Miravlix | http://pysvn.tigris.org/ |
| 21:28.03 | Ktron|wow | microsoft has principles? |
| 21:28.04 | AnduinLothar | zomg.. i jsut wrote a lib to do all that.. |
| 21:28.09 | Kirkburn | Are there Perl snakes? |
| 21:28.40 | clad|gym | AnduinLothar: ... |
| 21:28.51 | clad|gym | lol |
| 21:28.59 | Miravlix | AnduinLothar: Err, woops, never mind me and google then. |
| 21:29.05 | AnduinLothar | where were you yesterday |
| 21:29.26 | Miravlix | Trying to learn how to run a public server on the hackerweb |
| 21:29.54 | AnduinLothar | damn it, i spent 12 hours coding cause i didn't have that info... |
| 21:29.55 | Miravlix | Thats incidently why I had python-svn installed for a while too. |
| 21:30.18 | Miravlix | Gforge depends on python-svn I think |
| 21:30.31 | End | The subversion python bindings are part of the subversion source |
| 21:30.43 | Astryl | i've wrestled with angels all my life... it's always the halos and the wings that keep you blind... |
| 21:30.56 | Miravlix | Yeah tigris.org = Svn home page |
| 21:31.48 | AnduinLothar | zomg pysvn/trunk/pysvn/Extension/Examples/Client/parse_datetime.py |
| 21:31.58 | AnduinLothar | grumble grumble |
| 21:32.20 | End | heh |
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| 21:32.43 | AnduinLothar | where the hellw as all that when i googled it yesterday.. |
| 21:34.06 | Miravlix | Searched for python svn |
| 21:34.12 | Miravlix | first page was pysvn |
| 21:34.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i was being too specific |
| 21:35.00 | Miravlix | Interesting svn python gives completely different results |
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| 21:37.01 | AnduinLothar | meh, well at least it wasn't a complete waste of time |
| 21:37.18 | AnduinLothar | there's still no svn:externals logging |
| 21:38.03 | End | do your svn:externals all reference the same repository? |
| 21:38.20 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 21:38.29 | End | I think there was an easier way to do it |
| 21:38.34 | AnduinLothar | which makes then super slow for no good reason |
| 21:38.37 | AnduinLothar | oh? |
| 21:38.42 | AnduinLothar | svn:internals? |
| 21:38.48 | End | er no, heh |
| 21:40.21 | End | you can pass svn log a repository and multiple sub-directories and you will end up with a merged log like you wanted. It wouldn't take too much work to write a script to retrieve the svn:externals, rearrange it a little, and pass it to svn log |
| 21:40.41 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 21:40.43 | End | (er, retrieve the svn:externals property) |
| 21:40.55 | AnduinLothar | RAWR! |
| 21:41.12 | AnduinLothar | i quit |
| 21:41.22 | End | it only works with urls, not working copies, but you were only going to deal with a url anyways :P |
| 21:45.41 | Kirkburn | Spore set to beautiful music! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoyneKc7mM8 |
| 21:47.05 | End | ok, I think I wrote it :P |
| 21:47.24 | End | oh goddammit |
| 21:47.32 | End | did I just close the screen window I made it in? |
| 21:47.46 | AnduinLothar | i already have it written, don't waste your time |
| 21:47.50 | End | ah, nvm there it is |
| 21:47.56 | End | ahh, but it was easy to write :P |
| 21:48.20 | AnduinLothar | given you have the proper research done in the first place |
| 21:49.00 | AnduinLothar | either way i still need to be able to generate log timestamps... |
| 21:51.11 | End | anyways, I came up with something like this: http://wow.pastebin.com/768496 |
| 21:52.34 | AnduinLothar | does that work for more than one lined svn:externals? |
| 21:52.53 | End | whoops, I forgot to change something |
| 21:53.08 | End | yes |
| 21:53.08 | End | it does |
| 21:53.19 | End | I was using hardcoded urls though |
| 21:53.42 | End | http://wow.pastebin.com/768500 |
| 21:53.46 | End | fixed some quotes :P |
| 21:54.24 | Ktron|wow | there a way to check how long you've been logged on? |
| 21:54.38 | Ktron|wow | as in, length of the session |
| 21:54.56 | End | I think so, but hell if I remember how |
| 21:55.56 | Kirkburn | WoWWiki's submit times are getting excruciating |
| 21:56.36 | End | :X the wow private pastebin is advertising hacked items |
| 21:57.13 | Kirkburn | Google keywords ftl |
| 21:58.16 | Ktron|wow | heh, it does that |
| 21:58.17 | Kirkburn | Intel Corp. is planning to cut its Pentium processor prices by as much as 60 percent! |
| 21:58.33 | Miravlix | Talking about evil.. MS has paid hostname horders to switch the parked domains to new servers, so NetCrafts survey looks like MS gained 4.5m servers since last survey. |
| 21:59.15 | End | well, it gained 4.5m hostnames :P |
| 21:59.18 | Kirkburn | source? |
| 21:59.22 | Miravlix | Googles China thing is more a question of lesser evils |
| 21:59.51 | Miravlix | It's more evil not to give the chinese a good search machine at all, than giving them a search engine that tell them some results was left out. |
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| 22:00.27 | Miravlix | NetCraft the Internet survey company... |
| 22:01.27 | Miravlix | They got 1.6 million hostnames from one company and there is several others that accounts for the bulk of the names, all from parked hostname that someone is hording in the hopes of extorting someone to buy them from them. |
| 22:02.30 | Kirkburn | You sound somewhat biased |
| 22:03.36 | Kirkburn | I see no mention of them paying Go Daddy |
| 22:05.14 | End | well |
| 22:05.21 | End | Go Daddy didn't go out and say they did |
| 22:05.28 | End | er |
| 22:05.36 | End | I mean, Microsoft |
| 22:05.50 | End | but they danced around the issue |
| 22:06.11 | End | no wait, I was right the first time |
| 22:06.22 | End | Go Daddy didn't go out and say they did, but they danced around the issue when asked |
| 22:06.54 | End | The obvious question is, did Microsoft pay Go Daddy or offer any incentive to move its parked domains to Windows? Adelman declined to clear up that issue one way or the other. "We can't discuss the technical aspects of our industry relationships." |
| 22:07.01 | End | from the newsforge article |
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| 22:09.19 | Astryl | Shiro is giving my toe a bath. |
| 22:10.18 | End | o_O |
| 22:10.46 | zenzelezz | who's Shiro? |
| 22:10.47 | AnduinLothar | sed: 1: "s/^[^ ]* //; s_": unterminated substitute pattern |
| 22:10.55 | Astryl | My kitten. |
| 22:11.06 | Astryl | Unterminated prostitutes?! Where?! |
| 22:11.53 | End | AnduinLoather, hmmmm, what do your dist and root lines look like? |
| 22:12.03 | AnduinLothar | root="svn://svn.cosmosui.org/" |
| 22:12.03 | AnduinLothar | dist="/Users/karlkfi/Sites/Cosmos/Working Copy/distros/devtools" |
| 22:13.17 | Kirkburn | Astryl, you're making me jealous :( |
| 22:13.28 | End | well, first off, I think try dist=svn://svn.cosmosui.org/distros/devtools |
| 22:13.35 | Kirkburn | Lovely name though, Shiro |
| 22:13.39 | Astryl | Of what, my kitten? |
| 22:13.43 | Astryl | Aye, she's all white. |
| 22:13.52 | Astryl | (As you probably guessed) |
| 22:14.11 | AnduinLothar | doesn't matter, still same error |
| 22:14.40 | End | well |
| 22:16.08 | End | oh |
| 22:16.09 | End | lol |
| 22:16.32 | End | I didn't test with variables subbed in, and...instead of trying to retrieve from $root it is trying $root__ |
| 22:16.39 | End | (I hardcoded when I tested) |
| 22:17.23 | End | change $root to ${root} |
| 22:18.50 | AnduinLothar | svn: File not found: revision 3633, path '/distros/devtools/svn://svn.cosmosui.org/trunk/Interface/AddOns/!ImprovedErrorFrame' |
| 22:19.27 | End | doh, I know what causes that I think |
| 22:19.52 | End | do your svn:externals include hostnames? |
| 22:20.01 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 22:20.10 | End | hmm, maybe not |
| 22:20.11 | AnduinLothar | should they not? |
| 22:20.14 | End | they should |
| 22:20.22 | End | actually, they might have to |
| 22:20.23 | AnduinLothar | thats what i thought |
| 22:22.02 | Astryl | So, new version of FeralSkills is nearing completetion... |
| 22:22.08 | Astryl | Err, -et |
| 22:22.43 | Astryl | Finally got all the UI changes to the settings dialog done, just need to hook them up in code, and do all the new Khaos settings. |
| 22:24.04 | End | AnduinLother, if you put an echo right before the xargs, was does it print out? |
| 22:24.11 | End | er |
| 22:24.12 | End | after |
| 22:25.23 | AnduinLothar | svn log svn://svn.cosmosui.org/distros/devtools svn://svn.cosmosui.org/trunk/Interface/AddOns/!ImprovedErrorFrame |
| 22:26.16 | Astryl | God damn glass of Code Red... |
| 22:26.27 | End | huh...that looks right |
| 22:26.28 | Astryl | It was empty when I tried to take a drink 5 minutes ago... |
| 22:26.31 | Astryl | ...And it's STILL empty! |
| 22:26.52 | End | wait |
| 22:26.54 | End | no it doesn't |
| 22:27.22 | End | your root is wrong\ |
| 22:28.38 | End | yeah, your root should be root=svn://svn.cosmosui.org/ ...did you change it?? |
| 22:29.27 | Astryl | omg! |
| 22:29.27 | AnduinLothar | yes, because you said to |
| 22:29.32 | Astryl | out of code red! |
| 22:29.52 | End | hrm, I guess I wasn't clear |
| 22:30.33 | End | root=svn://svn.cosmosui.org/ |
| 22:30.34 | End | dist=svn://svn.cosmosui.org/distros/devtools |
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| 22:30.55 | AnduinLothar | k, got it working |
| 22:31.50 | End | I don't remember saying to change dist, and I remember saying to change $root, but not root...but whatever |
| 22:31.54 | End | as long as it works now :P |
| 22:34.21 | AnduinLothar | thx, that's most definitely faster than parsing the xml logs and merging in python |
| 22:38.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'd like to take a moment to thank Astryl for his aid to bare and cat durids everywhere. |
| 22:38.54 | AnduinLothar | bare bears? |
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| 22:43.39 | Astryl | Ah, hehe, thanks Rabies! |
| 22:43.42 | Astryl | Which kind are you? :) |
| 22:44.19 | Astryl | Also, new version's nearly done. :) |
| 22:45.37 | snurre | http://snurre.110mb.com/onyxia.html |
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| 22:47.54 | Kirkburn | Very nice, snurre |
| 22:59.03 | AnduinLothar | nice Dablo2 adds |
| 23:13.40 | Wobin | snurre: Nicely done =) |
| 23:22.03 | Astryl | AnduinLothar, you there? |
| 23:23.38 | Astryl | Ah, nevermind, found it. |
| 23:24.50 | Tain | Another new gamepad addon: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1973708,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532 |
| 23:25.44 | Tain | Err hardware addon to your PC, not WoW addon. Lest there be confusion. |
| 23:27.20 | Kirkburn | But will it make me coffee> |
| 23:32.45 | Wobin | And will it heal my raid? =P |
| 23:34.06 | Astryl | No, but it will melt faces. |
| 23:34.10 | Tain | I didn't actually *read* the article. |
| 23:34.16 | Tain | I just saw the headline. |
| 23:35.30 | Cairenn | faces will be melted? |
| 23:36.18 | Astryl | Or mauled. |
| 23:36.24 | Cairenn | more dots! |
| 23:36.34 | zenzelezz | there will be molten faces |
| 23:36.50 | Astryl | Speaking of Molten, I have 256 FR, unbuffed. |
| 23:37.49 | Cairenn | nice |
| 23:39.52 | zenzelezz | I'm eagerly awaiting Frozen Core |
| 23:44.33 | ckknight | Frozen Core? |
| 23:44.54 | ckknight | granted, that'd be pretty pimp |
| 23:45.03 | Kirkburn | Well, that's enough Wiki editing for tonight |
| 23:45.20 | zenzelezz | "everyone move to next group" "we're trying, but we keep sliding in separate directions!" |
| 23:45.37 | Kirkburn | Frozen Core ... when nothing moves. Ever. |
| 23:47.11 | Kirkburn | Gaseous Core ... it's all floaty n' stuff. |
| 23:47.33 | Kirkburn | Actually, the level up from Molten core should be Plasma Core |
| 23:52.27 | kaso | how is plasma one step up from molten? |
| 23:53.41 | Astryl | The same way kaso is one step up from Kirkburn. |
| 23:54.28 | Kirkburn | So mean :( |
| 23:54.39 | kaso | ^_- |
| 23:55.17 | Astryl | Poor Kirkburn keeps getting burned today. |
| 23:55.24 | Kirkburn | By you! |
| 23:55.41 | kaso | ha ha |
| 23:56.52 | ckknight | kik, |
| 23:56.57 | ckknight | err, lol. |
| 23:57.07 | Astryl | Oh well, it's done, it works. |
| 23:57.41 | ckknight | err, likes* |
| 23:57.54 | Tain | Why can't we not be sober? |
| 23:59.09 | zenzelezz | I tried not being sober once, and it didn't work well |
| 23:59.42 | Tain | Does anyone use their computer's LCD to watch TV? |
