irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060617

`00:00.09`	`JoshBorke`	`in SVN that is :-)`
`00:03.51`	`Legorol`	`SVN red book`
`00:03.54`	`Legorol`	`lemme get linkie`
`00:04.18`	`Legorol`	`http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s02.html`
`00:04.23`	`Legorol`	`svn:externals is on there too`
`00:04.34`	`Legorol`	`plus, if you have specific question, I know a lot about the externals prop`
`00:04.47`	`Legorol`	`this too:`
`00:04.48`	`Legorol`	`http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s04.html`
`00:06.29`	`JoshBorke`	`how do i do it in tortoise svn :-P`
`00:06.46`	`Legorol`	`right-click the folder, click Properties (the normal one, not under the SVN sub-menu)`
`00:06.52`	`JoshBorke`	`hehe`
`00:06.54`	`JoshBorke`	`<-- noob`
`00:06.54`	`Legorol`	`there is a new SVN tab in the window, switch there`
`00:07.19`	`Legorol`	`not a noob at all, not obvious`
`00:07.45`	`Legorol`	`select svn:externals from the dropdown, type in the value for the prop, then click Set (this is the part i always forget), then hit OK`
`00:08.28`	`JoshBorke`	`ah, i see it`
`00:08.29`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Miravlix (i=dragon@0x3e42aafc.adsl.cybercity.dk)`
`00:09.07`	`JoshBorke`	`ok, so if i've got DewdropLib in a Libs folder, the line would be Libs <url for dewdroplib>?`
`00:09.33`	`Tain`	`The property would be:`
`00:09.34`	`Tain`	`DewdropLib http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/DewdropLib/Lib`
`00:10.17`	`Legorol`	`JoshBorke: you need to be a bit careful about which folder you are setting the property on`
`00:11.22`	`Legorol`	`Tain: according to http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/DewdropLib/README.txt, the DewdropLib.lua should reside in the AddOn's folder, not in a subdirectory`
`00:11.42`	`Legorol`	`but i guess that's impossible with svn:externals`
`00:11.53`	`Legorol`	`so you are right :)`
`00:12.00`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, so the externals options has it create the folder for the addon?`
`00:12.13`	`Tain`	`Yes has to be under a subfolder to include it external.`
`00:12.21`	`Tain`	`And load it appropriately in your toc`
`00:12.23`	`Legorol`	`the externals option creates a folder with the name that is the first part of the property`
`00:12.43`	`Legorol`	`you set the option on your AddOn's folder`
`00:12.59`	`Legorol`	`the externals automagically creates a subfolder named DewdropLib (if you use the line Tain pasted)`
`00:13.01`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, ok, cool! thanks guys!`
`00:13.09`	`Legorol`	`and in that folder will get the stuff from the URL`
`00:13.13`	`Tain`	`If you want to see exactly export something from the SVN and look at the properties.`
`00:14.04`	`Legorol`	`wahey, downloaded over 4 gigs via http without pausing and the MD5 actually matches`
`00:14.13`	`Tain`	`haha congratulations!`
`00:14.41`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`00:14.53`	`Legorol`	`and that ends my long suffering saga to get the Vista beta`
`00:15.22`	`Legorol`	`all good in the end`
`00:17.00`	`JoshBorke`	`this stuff is nifty`
`00:17.28`	`JoshBorke`	`btw, you guys rock`
`00:23.33`	`Tain`	`Yes, it's true.`
`00:23.48`	`Shadowed`	`Hmm. Does there happen to be any good info regarding making load on demand addons?`
`00:26.12`	`Legorol`	`not much, but you can always ask specific questions in here`
`00:27.23`	`JoshBorke`	`don't give him that false sense of hope :-P`
`00:27.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Mikk1\|RL, come back!`
`00:27.35`	`Shadowed`	`Besides putting ## LoadOnDemand: 1 in the TOC, do you need to do anything specific to make it work?`
`00:27.55`	`Legorol`	`there are a few gotchas`
`00:28.05`	`Shadowed`	`oh?`
`00:28.11`	`Legorol`	`for example, you won't receive VARIABLES_LOADED event, in case you are relying on that`
`00:28.14`	`Legorol`	`instead, you need to handle ADDON_LOADED`
`00:28.42`	`Shadowed`	`well, right now it just loads by default is the problem`
`00:29.05`	`Legorol`	`yeah but does your addon register for the VARIABLES_LOADED event?`
`00:29.10`	`Shadowed`	`Nope`
`00:29.14`	`Legorol`	`i am not talking about how it's getting loaded`
`00:29.15`	`Legorol`	`ok good`
`00:29.37`	`Legorol`	`also, any Blizzard virtual frames you need, you won't have access to unless`
`00:29.51`	`Legorol`	`you specify the path to the template in FrameXML that has it in the AddOn's .toc`
`00:30.47`	`Shadowed`	`Ahhh, I was wondering why Blizzard was doing that in BattlefieldMinimap. The only stuff i'm using the XML file for is just OnLoad/OnEvent/OnUpdate stuff.`
`00:31.01`	`Legorol`	`ok`
`00:31.05`	`Legorol`	`then it should work fine`
`00:31.06`	`JoshBorke`	`ckknight: any way to get integer (sp? wtf?) values in DewdropLib for sliders? IE, rather than step as percentage step as discrete amount?`
`00:31.32`	`JoshBorke`	`he's not in here is he...`
`00:31.49`	`Legorol`	`no he isnt`
`00:34.14`	`Miravlix`	`He found the pension fund and ran off`
`00:34.38`	`Tain`	`Dave's not here, man.`
`00:34.38`	`Miravlix`	`Offcourse that would make more sense if he had remembered to take the fund with him.`
`00:35.49`	`JoshBorke`	`how do i round numbers in lua?`
`00:36.13`	`Tain`	`ooh I had a good function for that`
`00:37.51`	`Shadowed`	`Would setting a dependancy in a load on demand addon cause it to load possibly?`
`00:37.55`	`Tain`	`http://ace.pastebin.com/714113`
`00:38.28`	`JoshBorke`	`what's this shift value for?`
`00:38.49`	`Legorol`	`Shadowed: yes`
`00:39.11`	`Tain`	`How many decimal places out to round to. I think you can use 0 if you want a whole number.`
`00:39.21`	`Tain`	`hrm`
`00:39.24`	`Tain`	`Or maybe you can't.`
`00:39.24`	`JoshBorke`	`ko, thanks :-)`
`00:39.24`	`Tain`	`heh`
`00:39.26`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`00:39.36`	`Shadowed`	`That would be the problem then! Can you set a dependancy for a load on demand addon through the TOC, or do you have to do it manually?`
`00:39.40`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, maybe i should read comments...`
`00:40.03`	`Tain`	`wow that function's bad, no sanity checks at all`
`00:40.19`	`Tain`	`I did it like a year ago and just happened to remember that I did.`
`00:40.40`	`JoshBorke`	`ah, it works with 0`
`00:41.06`	`Tain`	`It is actually a little simpler if you want to do just whole numbers. I needed to do a certain number of decimal points.`
`00:43.02`	`Tain`	`Just whole number rounding would be: return math.floor(num+0.5)`
`00:43.12`	`JoshBorke`	`coolio :-)`
`00:43.13`	`JoshBorke`	`thanks tain :D`
`00:43.20`	`Tain`	`I can smart.`
`00:43.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Legorol, your opinion please :) http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3`
`00:43.36`	`JoshBorke`	`gonna fix up visor any time soon? new features, lua buttons, anything?`
`00:43.51`	`Tain`	`Not anytime soon! hah.. actually it's possible never.`
`00:44.19`	`Tain`	`It's also possible I might actually feel like I want to do it again so who knows.`
`00:44.31`	`JoshBorke`	`:-) that's cool. what about updates? ie toc update and compatibility with 1.11`
`00:44.36`	`JoshBorke`	`not that i see any reason it wouldn't work`
`00:44.39`	`Legorol`	`Kirkburn: i have some criticism`
`00:44.49`	`Legorol`	`firstly, i don't like all this coloured stuff, makes it harder to read`
`00:44.52`	`Legorol`	`but that's something subjective`
`00:45.01`	`Legorol`	`with the two-column structure,`
`00:45.19`	`Legorol`	`make sure the section headers (such as Gameplay and Int. Customization) are not on the same level as the top of the right-hand column`
`00:45.22`	`Tain`	`If something actually breaks I'll probably try to fix it. But there are existing bugs that bug me and I haven't been able to really go digging. Every time I do I just come away with feeling like it needs to be almost entirely rewritten.`
`00:45.25`	`Legorol`	`i think that makes it very hard to read`
`00:45.34`	`JoshBorke`	`( Tain ): yuck`
`00:45.42`	`Legorol`	`make the column on the right start below the line in the section header`
`00:45.45`	`Tain`	`WoW's ActionButtons are just annoying as all hell to me the way they do everything.`
`00:45.46`	`Legorol`	`if you see what i mean`
`00:46.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah`
`00:46.21`	`Legorol`	`i also have problem with the text getting smaller and smaller`
`00:46.29`	`Legorol`	`i mean the smaller font used for sub-pages`
`00:46.57`	`Legorol`	`then a criticism about content:`
`00:47.20`	`Legorol`	`the organization (structure-wise) of teh Interface customizaiton section doesn't follow that of the structure on the http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization page itself`
`00:47.21`	`Tain`	`On the other hand I tried using other button/bar addons recently and couldn't. I just can't use any of them that have 12 button bars and don't let you reduce that. And I don't like Flexbar or DAB because of how much overhead they have.`
`00:47.34`	`Legorol`	`e.g. on the main page, the widget API appears as a sub-page of the WoW API`
`00:47.36`	`JoshBorke`	`same :-)`
`00:47.54`	`Legorol`	`but on the http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization page they are on equal level (as they should be)`
`00:47.58`	`JoshBorke`	`though, i like my 12 buttons :D`
`00:47.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Legorol, I'll see about changing that :)`
`00:48.00`	`Legorol`	`ok, enough criticisms or want more? :)`
`00:48.06`	`Tain`	`Of course the more I talk about it the more likely it is I'll get ambition back. So I'm going out drinking now. :D`
`00:48.15`	`JoshBorke`	`lol, later tain`
`00:48.31`	`Legorol`	`actually now that i look at it more, the colour scheme is not bad`
`00:48.38`	`Legorol`	`it's the small font that gets me, i think`
`00:48.40`	`JoshBorke`	`i'll work getting you to work on visor some more later :d`
`00:49.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Sorting the columns now :)`
`00:51.07`	`Legorol`	`in terms of colouring, http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3 is not that bad`
`00:51.13`	`Legorol`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization is horrible though`
`00:51.15`	`Legorol`	`there is blue on blue`
`00:54.57`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3 check now :)`
`00:55.11`	`Kirkburn`	`And yes, the colours are pretty bad ;) Oh, hello Mikk ....`
`00:55.36`	`Mikk1`	`Legorol: I KNOW. I need css access >.<`
`00:55.52`	`Mikk1`	`There's bloody NOTHING that works good with blue links`
`00:55.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Hey, you did reasonably with everything else :)`
`00:56.28`	`Kirkburn`	`What do you think of the change Legorol ?`
`00:56.52`	`Mikk1`	`Kirkburn: Yank nearly everything interface related imo`
`00:57.04`	`Kirkburn`	`Just make it go to the Interface page?`
`00:57.07`	`Mikk1`	`It negates the purpose of the (much more detailed) interface customization menu`
`00:57.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Indeed`
`00:57.24`	`Mikk1`	`Well, maybe directly link WoW API, AddOns, Macros....`
`00:57.58`	`Mikk1`	`Keep UI Beginners guide too I guess`
`00:58.47`	`Mikk1`	`Oh, and a [more] link at the end that also goes to the interface customization menu`
`00:58.56`	`Mikk1`	`You too often forget that the headings are clickable`
`00:59.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah`
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`00:59.59`	`Mikk1`	`Replace Help:Editing link with WoWWiki:How_to_edit_a_page`
`01:01.16`	`Mikk1`	`I like how you've separated visitor and contributor links`
`01:02.20`	`Mikk1`	`Hm, I'm going to bum some colorization ideas I think`
`01:02.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Another update done`
`01:03.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Lets me shorten the page, it should`
`01:04.49`	`Legorol`	`Kirkburn: it looks lot better now`
`01:04.57`	`Legorol`	`i'd like to see more links in the UI customization section`
`01:05.32`	`Legorol`	`i'd say i'd like to have: WoW API, Widget API, Events, Howtos, UI tech details`
`01:05.50`	`Legorol`	`at least`
`01:05.59`	`Mikk1`	`Meh`
`01:05.59`	`Legorol`	`those are the reference sources`
`01:06.07`	`Legorol`	`then you need some of the beginner guides, etc.`
`01:06.21`	`Legorol`	`but if ou listen to me it'll be jsut a handy quick menu for my most used pages :)`
`01:06.22`	`Mikk1`	`It's short-circuiting the idea of having a interface customziation menu tho`
`01:06.33`	`Legorol`	`Mikk1: I know :)`
`01:06.58`	`Legorol`	`hehe`
`01:07.09`	`Legorol`	`i'm terrible at webpage design, so don't listen to me`
`01:07.15`	`Legorol`	`i can tell you at length what i don't like about a page ;-)`
`01:07.18`	`Legorol`	`but that's all`
`01:07.46`	`Kirkburn`	`updated again`
`01:11.40`	`Mikk1`	`Kirkburn: Imo, that's just perfect for the Interface Customization section (in number of links, that is)`
`01:12.51`	`Mikk1`	`Idea: Make Interface and Links two columns at the same height`
`01:13.40`	`Mikk1`	`Or perhaps stick the category navigation main links to the right of Interface`
`01:13.49`	`Mikk1`	`(the ones at the top of Dev 2)`
`01:14.15`	`Mikk1`	`(Dev 2 sucks for not explaining that they're category links though. Wikinoobs don't know the difference)`
`01:15.46`	`Kirkburn`	`:P`
`01:16.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Btw, I already did the first thing you said`
`01:23.59`	`Mikk1`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization <-- whoop de do =)`
`01:25.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Nicer :)`
`01:26.31`	`Mikk1`	`I had that idea at first, but I was afraid it was going to be way too gray and dull`
`01:26.47`	`Mikk1`	`But seeing your page, I realized it worked fine as long as there was a color splash or two`
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`01:27.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Er, I just got rid of some of the colour on mine ... I'll probably get it back in but less blinding - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3`
`01:28.32`	`Mikk1`	`It needs color splashes imo`
`01:28.34`	`Mikk1`	`Somewhere`
`01:28.48`	`Mikk1`	`Because now it turned just as dull as I was afraid my page would =)`
`01:29.08`	`Kirkburn`	`:D I'll add it tables somehow`
`01:29.09`	`Mikk1`	`Btw from a graphix weenie standpoint I'd just axe the link in "Interface Customization Menu" and make it white. (And axe "Menu")`
`01:29.30`	`Mikk1`	`Looks damn crisp when it's white with that layout`
`01:29.42`	`Mikk1`	`Almost like we paid money to have it designed =)`
`01:29.53`	`Kirkburn`	`done`
`01:30.09`	`Mikk1`	`criiiisp`
`01:30.23`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`01:30.35`	`Legorol`	`i don't like the 1 minute cooldown on the Forum Post action`
`01:30.43`	`Legorol`	`i sometimes answer posts faster than that`
`01:32.01`	`Legorol`	`you know, i'd love to pust on the bug report forum that i can't log into the forum. but that requires me logging in.`
`01:32.01`	`Mikk1`	`Kirkburn: Idea. The lighter gray bars you have now`
`01:32.09`	`Mikk1`	`Turn the first one into turquise`
`01:32.11`	`Mikk1`	`turquoise*`
`01:32.15`	`Mikk1`	`And the second one into blue`
`01:32.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Stop reading my mind`
`01:32.19`	`Mikk1`	`Lol`
`01:32.30`	`Kirkburn`	`I was just doing it :)`
`01:32.45`	`Mikk1`	`It might need a splash of the border colors somehow though. They really make a hell of a difference`
`01:32.56`	`Mikk1`	`Maybe just add the top border with that color`
`01:34.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Shall see what I can do`
`01:44.24`	`Mikk1`	`Funny. Opera picks another font for me.`
`01:44.43`	`Mikk1`	`For the headings, it looks better than what Firefox picks.`
`01:47.59`	`Mikk1`	`There's very very slight serifing going on. Works v well in headings.`
`01:48.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Straange`
`01:48.10`	`Mikk1`	`Can't pinpoint the exact font.`
`01:48.23`	`Kirkburn`	`I added a little colour`
`01:48.33`	`Kirkburn`	`I should really go to bed now, I'll come back to it 2moro`
`01:48.58`	`Mikk1`	`meh, no, i liked it better like it was`
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`01:49.33`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`01:50.06`	`Mikk1`	`Mind terribly if I fiddle a little? Can always just revert what I did`
`01:50.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Sure`
`01:50.34`	`Kirkburn`	`I'll probably fiddle with it in Dreamweaver 2moro (hence why it's in normal code, not wiki code)`
`01:50.44`	`Mikk1`	`Ah ok`
`01:50.54`	`Kirkburn`	`I find html more familiar :)`
`01:50.58`	`Mikk1`	`Then again I just got damn tired.`
`01:51.03`	`Mikk1`	`Perhaps I should take advantage of the situation`
`01:51.11`	`Mikk1`	`And actually go to sleep`
`01:51.21`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`01:51.45`	`Kirkburn`	`If you get up earlier than me and get bored, feel free to fiddle with it :)`
`01:51.52`	`Mikk1`	`Aight =)`
`01:52.31`	`Kirkburn`	`G'night all!`
`01:53.07`	`Mikk\|Zzz`	`Kirkburn: Sidenote: It'd do well with a max-width statement`
`01:53.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Do what you wish, it's not the best code :P`
`01:53.35`	`Mikk\|Zzz`	`It looks kickass in 1024x768 but becomes a bit fat in 1280 width`
`01:53.47`	`Mikk\|Zzz`	`Right =)`
`01:53.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, doesn't surprise me .... night`
`01:57.03`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge cmunn (n=cmunn@c-68-63-221-162.hsd1.ms.comcast.net)`
`01:58.24`	`cmunn`	`Can the view be changed with a script? I wan't to slowly rotate around the Y Axis 360deg for a movie... but I want to keep the rotation constant speed...`
`01:58.32`	`cmunn`	`s/wan't/want/`
`01:58.41`	`cmunn`	`OMFG that's cool.`
`02:01.01`	`cmunn`	`found it. Nevermind.`
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`02:01.56`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
`02:06.07`	`JoshBorke`	`( cmunn ): nj :-)`
`02:06.09`	`JoshBorke`	`hi Cairenn`
`02:06.14`	`Cairenn`	`hi`
`02:06.29`	`Osagasu`	`The new forums made my nose bleed.`
`02:06.46`	`Cairenn`	`new forums?`
`02:07.03`	`Osagasu`	`they're beta-testing the new WoW.com forums.`
`02:07.10`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`02:07.11`	`Osagasu`	`http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/`
`02:09.53`	`Cairenn`	`those look good, what's wrong with them?`
`02:10.51`	`Osagasu`	`^^; A nose bleed is a good thing.`
`02:11.03`	`Cairenn`	`okay`
`02:11.38`	`Cairenn`	`ZOMG! You can FINALLY ignore someone!`
`02:11.43`	`Osagasu`	`yeah`
`02:11.45`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (i=andrew@124.197.5.196)`
`02:11.56`	`Osagasu`	`There's only one problem I see with the forums so far`
`02:12.05`	`Osagasu`	`I have characters I've deleted show up`
`02:12.36`	`Osagasu`	`Osagasu on Draka, the shaman I made before I made him a Paladin, and Exemel are showing up`
`02:13.40`	`Cide`	`yay`
`02:13.54`	`Osagasu`	`Well, make that three. It automatically logged me out when I took too long typing a reply, and When I backed up a page to copy it, the text wasn't there. :<`
`02:13.54`	`Cide`	`the [pre] bug is fixed on the new forums`
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`02:28.00`	`Esamynn`	`Evening all`
`02:28.26`	`Esamynn`	`so when did the PTR come back up?`
`02:31.04`	`Cide`	`tonight, I believe`
`02:35.01`	`Esamynn`	`darn test realm forums are still down`
`02:54.41`	`AnduinLothar`	`moo`
`02:55.24`	`JoshBorke`	`oink`
`02:55.41`	`JoshBorke`	`( AnduinLothar ): expand arcane party bars to raid settings and i'll write the combat log parser :-P`
`02:58.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`i'll see what i can do this summer`
`02:59.05`	`End`	`ojnk`
`03:00.29`	`JoshBorke`	`( AnduinLothar ): i was going to start on something similar to what we talked about (expanding arcane party bars + combat log parser), and then i got overwhelmed by the configuration options`
`03:02.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah, that's always a big project`
`03:03.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`i can handle it, just need time. gotta finish my current project first`
`03:03.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`and going home for fathers day`
`03:03.27`	`JoshBorke`	`indeed`
`03:25.22`	`chuckg`	`Anduin.`
`03:25.30`	`chuckg`	`Write a mod that plays for me during mc/bwl and aq40 raids.`
`03:25.38`	`chuckg`	`If it could avoid dark glare on C'thun, that'd be nice.`
`03:25.40`	`chuckg`	`But that's optional.`
`03:25.57`	`chuckg`	`It has to auto accept res' so that I can get gold too.`
`03:25.59`	`chuckg`	`Cause I'm poor.`
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`03:27.19`	`JoshBorke`	`( ckknight ): heya :-)`
`03:27.26`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:28.03`	`ckknight`	`what's up?`
`03:28.17`	`JoshBorke`	`nothing much :-) i submitted a feature request for DewdropLib`
`03:28.24`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`03:28.28`	`ckknight`	`what is it?`
`03:28.30`	`JoshBorke`	`and i'm learning to use svn externals`
`03:28.57`	`JoshBorke`	`make it so that we can have integer values for sliders, so i could step from 1 to 40 in multiples of 1 :D`
`03:29.42`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`03:29.54`	`ckknight`	`hrm...`
`03:30.07`	`ckknight`	`yea, you can already do that`
`03:30.10`	`JoshBorke`	`you can?`
`03:30.14`	`ckknight`	`pretty sure`
`03:30.23`	`JoshBorke`	`i tried setting the values like that`
`03:30.30`	`ckknight`	`pastebin?`
`03:30.32`	`JoshBorke`	`but it always sets the value as an integer`
`03:30.36`	`JoshBorke`	`sec, about to start sulf`
`03:30.48`	`ckknight`	`sulf?`
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`03:32.07`	`ckknight_`	`gah`
`03:32.43`	`ckknight_`	`I have no idea where my other instance of xchat went`
`03:33.19`	`JoshBorke`	`http://wow.pastebin.com/714274`
`03:34.05`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, the /40 is to make it between 1 and 40`
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`03:35.10`	`JoshBorke`	`and it just shows up as a percentage`
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`03:36.52`	`chuckg`	`You using windows xchat ck?`
`04:01.10`	`ckknight_`	`yes, chuckg`
`04:01.19`	`chuckg`	`There's a few things that bug me about it.`
`04:01.26`	`chuckg`	`Double clicking a url won't open a browser.`
`04:01.31`	`ckknight_`	`yea`
`04:01.38`	`chuckg`	`And there was one more, but I'm not remembering it atmm.`
`04:01.47`	`ckknight_`	`okay, I'm gonna remove and xchat.exe process...`
`04:01.56`	`ckknight_`	`let's hope I'm right`
`04:02.08`	`ckknight_`	`alright`
`04:02.19`	`chuckg`	`ckmispell`
`04:02.24`	`chuckg`	`misspelled`
`04:02.27`	`chuckg`	`!`
`04:12.45`	`JoshBorke`	`( ckknight ): let me know if you need me to test anything`
`04:13.17`	`ckknight`	`oh yea, your deal`
`04:14.04`	`JoshBorke`	`did you get my link?`
`04:14.09`	`ckknight`	`nope`
`04:14.17`	`JoshBorke`	`http://wow.pastebin.com/714274`
`04:14.19`	`Wobin`	`does the inventory take a bit of time to load up on startup?`
`04:14.19`	`ckknight`	`okay, to make it have a "step", just return a value with sliderFunc`
`04:14.21`	`JoshBorke`	`is what i'm currently using`
`04:14.27`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, ok`
`04:14.33`	`JoshBorke`	`i hadn't gotten that far yet :D`
`04:15.16`	`ckknight`	`sliderFunc is how you get info :-P`
`04:15.33`	`JoshBorke`	`i like to see pretty sliders before i actually make it wor k:D`
`04:15.37`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`04:16.13`	`JoshBorke`	`sorry to bother you ckknight :D`
`04:16.17`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`04:18.10`	`ckknight`	`just have sliderFunc be function(value) value = math.floor(value + 0.5) return value end`
`04:18.21`	`ckknight`	`tada, it now steps by 1`
`04:19.58`	`JoshBorke`	`woohoo!`
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`04:38.43`	`JoshBorke`	`hm`
`04:42.44`	`JoshBorke`	`woot! thanks ckknight!`
`04:51.03`	`Wobin`	`sigh, why is there no MAaurdon love?`
`04:56.28`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm`
`04:56.38`	`JoshBorke`	`babblelib is throwing an error now :-/`
`04:56.42`	`JoshBorke`	`mmk`
`04:58.58`	`JoshBorke`	`just gotta check the hasspell first :D`
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`05:01.28`	`JoshBorke`	`ok night`
`05:15.14`	`JoshBorke`	`( Legorol ): you here?`
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`05:55.56`	`ckknight`	`back`
`05:57.23`	`Cairenn`	`wb`
`06:04.00`	`Cairenn`	`night sedatedChipmunk`
`06:10.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`why look, it's a cair`
`06:11.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`do you play a hunter?`
`06:11.12`	`Cairenn`	`where?!`
`06:11.19`	`Cairenn`	`aye`
`06:11.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`hmmm, i thought so`
`06:11.34`	`AnduinLothar`	`when i think cair i think hunter`
`06:12.13`	`Cairenn`	`well, you're right :)`
`06:13.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`just picked up some sexy hunter pants`
`06:13.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`Bloodstained Legplates`
`06:13.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`for my crit gear.. no one else wanted um`
`06:14.14`	`Cairenn`	`nice`
`06:15.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`so, your daughter graduated and is moving out?`
`06:15.28`	`Cairenn`	`graduating in just under 2 weeks, and no, not yet`
`06:15.52`	`Cairenn`	`going back for another semester to pick up some more courses she wants, then working for 1/2 year, then making plans from there`
`06:15.56`	`AnduinLothar`	`2weeks? and i thought we got out late`
`06:16.16`	`Cairenn`	`today was last day of classes, exams are next week`
`06:16.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah, that's REALLY late`
`06:16.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`well`
`06:16.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`spose not`
`06:16.36`	`Cairenn`	`high school, not uni`
`06:16.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`not for hs`
`06:16.52`	`Cairenn`	`10 months, not 8`
`06:16.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah, was thinking back, my hs got out 20th or 22`
`06:17.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh?`
`06:17.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's odd`
`06:17.09`	`Cairenn`	`sept - june`
`06:17.21`	`Cairenn`	`beginning - end`
`06:17.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`that sounds normal, why does 10 months sound long`
`06:17.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`meh`
`06:17.51`	`Cairenn`	`think about it, only july and aug off, that's 2 months ... that means 10 of class`
`06:18.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`memory never was good, hope i don't lose more of it when i get older... not much to lose..`
`06:18.10`	`Cairenn`	`minus christmas break, spring break, various other`
`06:20.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah, makes sense`
`06:21.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`im all outa whack on my qtr system anyway`
`06:21.06`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`06:21.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`10 weeks is short enough for lame classes and not long enough for hard classes`
`06:22.18`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
`06:22.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`which reminds me i still need to register for fall >.<`
`06:23.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`you cook much?`
`06:23.39`	`Cairenn`	`I put meals on the table ;)`
`06:23.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`:P`
`06:24.13`	`Cairenn`	`not sure I'd say that I "cook" much`
`06:25.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`so it's REALLY hot in here, but i have a feeling the 4 mike's i've had might be contributing`
`06:26.02`	`Cairenn`	`likely a good bet`
`06:29.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`but my roomie drank all the soda so it's the only thing to drink.. and i was already hot..`
`06:30.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`yay for tired ramble ramb.....aetag.agr.ag`
`06:32.43`	`Cairenn`	`hehehe`
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`06:55.50`	`Crispix`	`YAY!`
`06:56.00`	`Crispix`	`Computer restarted completely fresh :D`
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`07:15.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`Assertion Failed!`
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`07:15.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`Always when fighting the fish boss..`
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`07:54.29`	`Wobin`	`Well...`
`07:54.47`	`Wobin`	`highest on damage done, lowest of the melee on damage taken and lowest (aside from the priest) from healing taken =P`
`07:54.53`	`Wobin`	`I think I did alright =P`
`07:55.03`	`Wobin`	`Feint ftw`
`08:00.43`	`Wobin`	`Y'know, I never knew alt-rightclick split one item off a stack`
`08:00.50`	`Wobin`	`and moved it into an empty slot`
`08:01.15`	`Wobin`	`clever`
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`08:16.40`	`Cairenn`	`okay, time (and past) that I pass out`
`08:20.19`	`Ktron\|zzz`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1586793568496627147&q=genre%3Acomedy`
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`12:17.36`	`zenzelezz`	`is there any way to utterly rid yourself of Local/World Defense channels? They're sucking up channel numbers I would rather have for the other channels`
`12:17.57`	`wereHamster`	`./leave`
`12:18.13`	`zenzelezz`	`is that different from telling the chat window to not listen?`
`12:18.37`	`zenzelezz`	`(unchecking the channel in the channel window's menu)`
`12:18.41`	`wereHamster`	`yes`
`12:19.08`	`wereHamster`	`.. at least that's what I think.. and you won't join the new zone channels when you change the zone`
`12:21.46`	`zenzelezz`	`unchecking them made it not auto-join the different channels when I zoned, but still seemed to leave them... /leave did indeed seem to free their channel numbers`
`12:23.14`	`zenzelezz`	`now that was an ambiguous sentence, but you probably got the point`
`12:25.21`	`wereHamster`	`when you join channels, you can have them displayed in more than one chatframe.. that's why there is the dropdown menu`
`12:26.31`	`wereHamster`	`when you uncheck a channel, then the chatframe simply ignores the messages sent to that channel.. but you still are 'in' the channel and you still have allocated a channel number`
`12:28.28`	`zenzelezz`	`speaking of ignoring messages... I had an interesting experience yesterday when I got to go to MC for the first time... I found a General zone channel worse than Barrens`
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`12:33.52`	`zenzelezz`	`interesting... the chat window seems to remember the colors not by channel name but by channel number or something like that`
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`13:51.54`	`Josh\|Sleep`	`( zenzelezz ): yes, it's annoying`
`14:52.41`	`Josh\|Sleep`	`morning Cairenn`
`14:53.00`	`Cairenn`	`morning JoshBorke`
`14:54.17`	`JoshBorke`	`how are things?`
`14:54.26`	`Cairenn`	`pretty well, yourself?`
`14:54.27`	`JoshBorke`	`you're up rather early`
`14:54.34`	`Cairenn`	`no, my usual time`
`14:54.36`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm doing quite well`
`14:54.43`	`JoshBorke`	`well, for going to bed at 4 i mean :-)`
`14:54.57`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, well, ya know ;)`
`14:56.05`	`JoshBorke`	`:-)`
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`16:00.43`	`Mikk1`	`zenzelezz: MC is the reason I left 1.General`
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`16:44.43`	`Ktron\|zzz`	`Morning`
`16:45.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Morning!`
`16:45.02`	`Cairenn`	`morning Ktron`
`16:45.24`	`Ktron`	`Here's a question... besides AIM and the AIM network, anyone else have any suggestions for an effective way to send a large file from one computer to another (not on the same network)?`
`16:46.00`	`Cairenn`	`ftp upload to a site and then download`
`16:46.04`	`Cairenn`	`email`
`16:46.10`	`Ktron`	`heh, the file is over 7gb`
`16:46.17`	`Ktron`	`so email is out`
`16:46.23`	`Cairenn`	`ftp upload to a site and then download ;)`
`16:47.04`	`Mikk1`	`Open a world writable file share and disable the firewall :P`
`16:47.27`	`Ktron`	`hm... my site I don't think gives me that much space ;)... and I doubt a free site will give that much... well, here's a different question-- anyone know of a place you can download all of the WoW client?`
`16:47.43`	`Cairenn`	`blizzard`
`16:47.55`	`Ktron`	`blizzard has it up for download/`
`16:47.58`	`Ktron`	`*?`
`16:48.00`	`Cairenn`	`sorry, couldn't resist`
`16:48.40`	`Cairenn`	`I don't know anywhere Ktron, sorry`
`16:48.44`	`Wobin`	`isohunt.com`
`16:49.31`	`Wobin`	`It's not particularly legal, but I don't think Blizzard would really complain, since you've already paid for the CD`
`16:49.35`	`Wobin`	`s`
`16:50.00`	`Wobin`	`(In that I had to do that to get a copy of the client when I came over without my original CDs)`
`16:50.09`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm. any recommendations on how to keep 2 seperate svn checkouts in sync?`
`16:50.34`	`Mikk1`	`you should have branched first`
`16:50.36`	`Wobin`	`branch one`
`16:50.50`	`Mikk1`	`separate branch that you can commit to / update from as much as you want`
`16:50.53`	`JoshBorke`	`they are on different repositories`
`16:50.53`	`Mikk1`	`without bothering anyone else`
`16:50.56`	`Mikk1`	`oh`
`16:50.57`	`Mikk1`	`fun`
`16:51.00`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`16:51.05`	`Mikk1`	`get a good merge client`
`16:51.07`	`Ktron`	`it's actually helping a friend, his CDs are lost in a bag somewhere and he can't find them... He has a legit account and the CD key still though, so I figured there might be a legit place... you can't exactly place WoW without a legit account anyway`
`16:51.16`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, that's what i was thinking`
`16:51.29`	`Mikk1`	`Ktron: WoW Client downloads have to be legit. They were up for free download fgs =)`
`16:51.46`	`Mikk1`	`(By blizzard themselves)`
`16:52.21`	`Ktron`	`I'm sorry, 'fgs'? That's true, and didn't fileplanet or someone have a free trial for a while too?`
`16:53.03`	`Mikk1`	`For God's Sake`
`16:53.06`	`Mikk1`	`better than "ffs" ;)`
`16:53.21`	`Mikk1`	`Ktron: yep`
`16:54.11`	`JoshBorke`	`sigh`
`16:54.35`	`zenzelezz`	`stop calling the dollar sign a deity`
`16:54.43`	`Cairenn`	`for goodness sake`
`16:54.44`	`zenzelezz`	`that sort of thinking has caused enough trouble =D`
`16:55.23`	`Mikk1`	`~whaleslap zenzelezz`
`16:55.25`	`purl`	`ACTION beats zenzelezz upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`16:56.15`	`Mikk1`	`Ya know... purl does everything in this channel except what it was intended to do =P`
`16:56.30`	`Cairenn`	`it does precisely what I want it to do`
`16:56.37`	`zenzelezz`	`what was it intended to do then?`
`16:56.43`	`Cairenn`	`logs`
`16:56.51`	`Ktron`	`fcol?`
`16:56.55`	`Mikk1`	`it claims to help paste urls and stuff when people ask already-answered questions`
`16:57.14`	`Cairenn`	`I asked for it in the channel so that there would be channel logs`
`16:57.18`	`Mikk1`	`ah`
`16:57.18`	`Wobin`	`~logs`
`16:57.19`	`purl`	`apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian \| lines that start with a space are not shown \| some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"`
`16:57.23`	`Wobin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:57.25`	`Cairenn`	`everything and anything else is bonus`
`16:57.30`	`Cairenn`	`&/or annoyance`
`16:57.44`	`Wobin`	`~botsnack`
`16:57.44`	`purl`	`thanks, Wobin`
`17:08.22`	`SinPi`	`um. Is the number of joined channels still 10, or has it been increased lately..?`
`17:11.19`	`Cide`	`the maximum is still 10`
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`17:54.48`	`zenzelezz`	`I find it peculiar that the plans for Mithril Shield Spike are blue, when the plans for Thorium Shield Spike are green`
`17:56.19`	`Mikk1`	`Not really. The color is an indication of how uber it is for its level`
`17:56.48`	`zenzelezz`	`shouldn't the shield spike's color also be blue then?`
`17:57.20`	`Shadowed`	`that just means the plan is more uber then the actual item it makes`
`17:57.40`	`Kirkburn`	`(rarer?)`
`17:58.04`	`zenzelezz`	`could be... plans for Iron are green, but the spike is white`
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`18:04.21`	`Tarog`	`happy?`
`18:04.37`	`Tarog`	`I'm now connected to 6 different IRC servers ><`
`18:07.30`	`Kirkburn`	`:D`
`18:07.49`	`Kirkburn`	`The wikipeople are invading, Cairenn ;)`
`18:07.59`	`Cairenn`	`good, they are most welcome`
`18:08.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Indeed so ... welcome!`
`18:09.31`	`Tarog`	`:P`
`18:09.33`	`Tain`	`Braaaaaaains`
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`18:17.29`	`Mikk1`	`Tarog!`
`18:17.40`	`Tarog`	`howdy`
`18:18.08`	`Mikk1`	`You'll find some other wikipedia regulars here.. Iriel, Legorol, Kirkburn...`
`18:18.13`	`Mikk1`	`Prolly forgetting some`
`18:18.38`	`Mikk1`	`Tho what Kirkburn is doing here surpasses me :P`
`18:19.06`	`Tarog`	`:P`
`18:19.51`	`Tarog`	`think I'm going to ditch a couple other IRC servers`
`18:21.25`	`Tarog`	`boring people on those servers`
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`18:23.16`	`Mikk1`	`Kirkburn you need a post-it on your page. All the cool people have it.`
`18:23.33`	`Kirkburn`	`What timing clicks save`
`18:23.39`	`Tarog`	`haha`
`18:23.42`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn`
`18:23.44`	`Mikk1`	`haha`
`18:23.54`	`Kirkburn`	`muahaha?`
`18:24.22`	`Tarog`	`haha`
`18:24.28`	`Mikk1`	`ROFL`
`18:24.33`	`Tarog`	`nice version of the welcome message`
`18:24.35`	`Mikk1`	`Damn nice rewrite of the welcome paste =)`
`18:24.43`	`Kirkburn`	`;)`
`18:27.15`	`Tarog`	`how dare you change my margins Mikk`
`18:29.04`	`Kirkburn`	`How rude!`
`18:30.19`	`Mikk1`	`obtw tarog unless you've actually broken something, I wouldn't mind a committ of api.lua so i can toy with my script`
`18:30.51`	`Mikk1`	`~wiki committ`
`18:31.06`	`Mikk1`	`not like that apparently`
`18:32.00`	`Tarog`	`><`
`18:32.13`	`Tarog`	`like half of it's done`
`18:32.22`	`Mikk1`	`Is it worse than what it used to be? =)`
`18:32.42`	`Tarog`	`nah`
`18:32.48`	`Mikk1`	`Gimme then please =)`
`18:32.57`	`Tarog`	`just half of it looks organized and other half was what it used to be`
`18:33.23`	`Mikk1`	`thanks ;)`
`18:33.44`	`Tarog`	`lemme make sure I didn't break anything first really quick`
`18:34.39`	`chuckg`	`Would checking a CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM event be most efficient if I added the specific (3) messages I wanted int he if?`
`18:34.46`	`chuckg`	`For example: elseif (event == "CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" and string.find(arg1, "(.+) is already in a group.") or string.find(arg1, "(.+) joins the party.") or string.find(arg1, "(.+) has joined the raid group")) then`
`18:35.10`	`chuckg`	`Or should I do the string.find's after the event is established?`
`18:36.01`	`Cide`	`just do`
`18:36.10`	`Cide`	`elseif (event == "CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" and ( string.find(arg1, "(.+) is already in a group.") or string.find(arg1, "(.+) joins the party.") or string.find(arg1, "(.+) has joined the raid group" ) ) ) then`
`18:36.33`	`chuckg`	`I think that's what I just listed?`
`18:36.34`	`Cide`	`and the string.find's will only be evaluated if event == "CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM"`
`18:36.34`	`chuckg`	`=D`
`18:36.56`	`Cide`	`no`
`18:37.06`	`chuckg`	`Ohh.`
`18:37.08`	`chuckg`	`The extra paren.`
`18:37.09`	`chuckg`	`I see it now.`
`18:37.10`	`Cide`	`yes`
`18:37.24`	`chuckg`	`THanks.`
`18:37.37`	`Cide`	`sorry for being abrupt, trying to kill two mobs on the other monitor!`
`18:37.43`	`chuckg`	`Haha.`
`18:37.46`	`chuckg`	`'S ok.`
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`19:15.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Ooh, useful ... you can see when a post has been reported on the new forums - it grays out the report icon`
`19:16.28`	`Ktron`	`new forums? woah`
`19:18.15`	`Ktron`	`when did Iriel get a devilsaur?`
`19:20.26`	`Cairenn`	`because of being MVP`
`19:23.49`	`Tarog`	`Iriel is skinnable, regardless of what Iriel says.`
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`19:25.03`	`Kirkburn`	`Ktron, would I have found you under a rock for the last few months ???`
`19:26.09`	`Ktron`	`Oh, yeah, I remember the MVP thing, didn't know they got different avatars too`
`19:26.16`	`Ktron`	`heh, you would have found me not in the forums :)`
`19:27.37`	`Kirkburn`	`:P`
`19:27.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Loool, Italy just own-goaled!`
`19:28.13`	`Kirkburn`	`And they got a red card!!`
`19:28.24`	`Kirkburn`	`hohoho`
`19:28.30`	`Kirkburn`	`In the 27th minute, too`
`19:28.39`	`Mikk1`	`nubs`
`19:28.41`	`Mikk1`	`=P`
`19:29.18`	`Kirkburn`	`Ouch, the guy elbowed the american in the face, blood all over his face`
`19:29.52`	`Kirkburn`	`It's gone humourously quite below me :P`
`19:30.49`	`Mikk1`	`for _,filename in aFiles do`
`19:30.49`	`Mikk1`	`print("Parsing "..filename);`
`19:30.49`	`Mikk1`	`for l in io.lines(filename) do`
`19:30.49`	`Mikk1`	`print "1";`
`19:30.49`	`Mikk1`	`end`
`19:30.50`	`Mikk1`	`end`
`19:31.00`	`Mikk1`	`can someone explain to me why the outer loop is looping infinitely on the first record?`
`19:31.51`	`Mikk1`	`line iterator overwrites the table iterator? o.O`
`19:32.06`	`Mikk1`	`(i've tried with pairs() and ipairs() too, no luck)`
`19:32.27`	`cladhaire`	`depends on what aFiles is returning.,`
`19:32.35`	`cladhaire`	`that's where you're issue is.`
`19:32.39`	`Mikk1`	`aFiles = { "api.lua", "widgets.lua" };`
`19:32.39`	`cladhaire`	`everything else is well formed.`
`19:32.50`	`Mikk1`	`works fine when i comment out the inner loop`
`19:34.33`	`Mikk1`	`oh duh`
`19:34.44`	`Mikk1`	`i lie, there's a "_,_,func = strfind(l, "^[ \t]function[ \t]+([A-Za-z0-9_]+)[ \t]*%(");" in there too`
`19:34.48`	`cladhaire`	`http://pastebin.ca/66621 works fine`
`19:34.49`	`Mikk1`	`and that's the one causing the ruckus`
`19:35.32`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`19:35.36`	`Mikk1`	`i had no idea the iterators depended on the variables staying the same`
`19:35.39`	`Mikk1`	`i thought it kept state internally`
`19:35.44`	`Mikk1`	`scary`
`19:37.09`	`cladhaire`	`its hot.`
`19:37.13`	`cladhaire`	`i should do the dishes`
`19:37.15`	`cladhaire`	`and another load of laundry`
`19:37.16`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`19:37.22`	`Mikk1`	`what a coincidence`
`19:37.23`	`Mikk1`	`so should i`
`19:37.25`	`Tarog`	`I need to do luandry`
`19:37.28`	`Tarog`	`*laundry`
`19:45.52`	`Kirkburn`	`This USA v Italy is madness. Another red card, this time for the US`
`19:46.01`	`Legorol`	`O.o`
`19:46.04`	`Legorol`	`how many in total so far?`
`19:46.40`	`Kirkburn`	`1 red card each side, it's 1-1 and italy scored both goals :P`
`19:47.34`	`Kirkburn`	`The US didn't deserve the red card though`
`19:50.02`	`Legorol`	`lol, own goal?`
`19:51.49`	`Kirkburn`	`indeed`
`19:52.17`	`Kirkburn`	`The guy tried to kick it away from the goal, but he, er, did the 180 degree opposite`
`19:53.06`	`Ktron`	`lol`
`19:53.08`	`Ktron`	`he loses`
`20:04.32`	`Ktron`	`another red card??`
`20:05.32`	`Tarog`	`know what sucks`
`20:05.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Hohoho, what a fun game. And another man limps off the field after a painful tackle`
`20:06.00`	`Tarog`	`we don't get soccer games here in the US on normal cable :(`
`20:06.34`	`Tarog`	`at least I don't`
`20:06.36`	`Ktron`	`it's pretty vicious`
`20:06.45`	`Ktron`	`Yeah, I'm on the most basic of basic cable and I'm watching it...`
`20:06.47`	`Ktron`	`on abc`
`20:06.55`	`Ktron`	`channel 9 for me`
`20:07.18`	`Tarog`	`oh there it is`
`20:07.19`	`Tarog`	`!`
`20:07.22`	`Ktron`	`heh :)`
`20:07.35`	`Ktron`	`I like how the bid says 'DOC' on it`
`20:07.42`	`Kirkburn`	`lol, you're right I didn't notice the other red card`
`20:08.07`	`Kirkburn`	`It's utterly stupid`
`20:08.15`	`Ktron`	`3 redcards... I like the US commentators they're like "Sub that ref!" "Kick the Ref!" "This ref is ruining the game!" etc`
`20:08.27`	`Tarog`	`haha`
`20:08.28`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm not surprised`
`20:08.35`	`Ktron`	`My only hope now is for so many redcards that the game at the end is like 6v7`
`20:08.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Tbh, I'd agree with them`
`20:09.00`	`Ktron`	`I don't watch enough soccer, I figure if the commentators think so, then they must be right`
`20:09.06`	`Kirkburn`	`The BBC website's view: "The Uruguayan referee is throwing his cards around like confetti."`
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`20:17.14`	`Industrial`	`haha`
`20:22.48`	`Tarog`	`BAH!`
`20:22.57`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`20:23.41`	`Kirkburn`	`It's a comedy of errors, this match`
`20:25.26`	`Ktron`	`heh`
`20:25.32`	`Ktron`	`Italy should all get red cards`
`20:25.40`	`Ktron`	`so it's like 8v0 heh`
`20:25.42`	`Ktron`	`that'd be fun`
`20:26.03`	`Kirkburn`	`It'd be fairer :)`
`20:28.31`	`Ktron`	`there's another yellow... let's see if we can get a red card again :)`
`20:28.35`	`Industrial`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2874210891077087346&q=mma+pride`
`20:28.37`	`Industrial`	`dude is crazy`
`20:29.09`	`Ktron`	`I only know of one way to get an automatic red card (this was for like high school though), and that to intentionally get a handball to prevent a goal`
`20:29.58`	`Industrial`	`or spit on another player/show disrespect`
`20:30.46`	`Industrial`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100975160428385148&q=mma+pride`
`20:30.47`	`Ktron`	`heh, that's true`
`20:30.49`	`Industrial`	`my fav fighter`
`20:31.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Or talk down another player after the ref blew his whistle ... Beckham sure was loved for doing that :)`
`20:32.01`	`Kirkburn`	`s/talk/take/`
`20:43.17`	`Kirkburn`	`lol "Jorge Larrionda of Uruguay still has 10 minutes or so to make history. Never before have four men been sent off in a World Cup finals match."`
`20:51.11`	`Kirkburn`	`And eeeets aaalll oooover`
`20:57.18`	`Ktron`	`"Coaches win games, and players loses them, and referees ruin them."`
`21:00.48`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
`21:02.37`	`Kirkburn`	`The US deserved to win that game`
`21:06.00`	`cladhaire`	`who won?`
`21:06.14`	`zenzelezz`	`1-1`
`21:06.17`	`cladhaire`	`wow`
`21:06.19`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
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`21:23.00`	`Wobin`	`wow`
`21:23.10`	`Wobin`	`I really expected the US to win`
`21:40.18`	`Industrial`	`http://pastebin.ca/66658`
`21:40.22`	`Industrial`	`My frame isnt showing`
`21:40.27`	`Industrial`	`What Am I doing wrong`
`21:40.36`	`Industrial`	`(good start :P)`
`21:41.16`	`Industrial`	`woops all those locals should be gone..`
`21:41.19`	`Mikk1`	`"frame"->"Frame"?`
`21:42.09`	`Mikk1`	`obDidYouPlugInTheCable: Are you sure the function is actually being called? =)`
`21:42.46`	`Industrial`	`http://pastebin.ca/66659`
`21:42.50`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`21:42.51`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`21:43.00`	`Industrial`	`idUnitframes.f.Player = idUnitframes:newUnitframe('idufPlayer')`
`21:43.29`	`Mikk1`	`Could just be the backdrop not being set properly I suppose. Try setting the background to a plain color?`
`21:43.42`	`Industrial`	`I am?`
`21:43.53`	`Industrial`	`(no experience with this, thats the problem :>)`
`21:45.24`	`Mikk1`	`tx = Wrap:CreateTexture();`
`21:45.59`	`Mikk1`	`tx.SetTexture(1,1,1,1);`
`21:46.10`	`Mikk1`	`tx.SetAllPoints(Wrap);`
`21:46.13`	`Mikk1`	`tx.Show();`
`21:46.31`	`Mikk1`	`Try adding that`
`21:47.11`	`Mikk1`	`(I'm too nub at backdrops to troubleshoot any problems there for you)`
`21:47.15`	`Industrial`	`k`
`21:48.25`	`Josh\|Gone`	`can i create tooltips in lua?`
`21:48.45`	`Josh\|Gone`	`as i ask before reading wowwiki :D`
`21:48.54`	`Mikk1`	`From scratch? No fun`
`21:49.08`	`Mikk1`	`Since you have to create all 60 fontstrings manually`
`21:49.08`	`Industrial`	`Mikk1: hm that shows`
`21:49.17`	`Mikk1`	`Cool. Your frame is showing then =)`
`21:49.21`	`Mikk1`	`Just the backdrop not working`
`21:49.24`	`Industrial`	`:s`
`21:49.45`	`Mikk1`	`Josh\|Gone: Any particular reason you want to create tooltips dynamically?`
`21:49.54`	`Mikk1`	`I mean... one usually does not want too many tooltips displaying at the same time`
`21:50.07`	`Josh\|Gone`	`just don't want to create the XML file`
`21:50.07`	`Industrial`	`Mikk1: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1448/0012wf.png`
`21:50.11`	`Industrial`	`Mikk1: flames allowed`
`21:50.19`	`Josh\|Gone`	`i'm an absolute noob when it comes to tooltips`
`21:50.26`	`Mikk1`	`Josh\|Gone: Just use the standard GameTooltip`
`21:51.12`	`Mikk1`	`GameTooltip.SetOwner(...), GameTooltip.Show()`
`21:51.13`	`Mikk1`	`tadaa`
`21:51.42`	`Mikk1`	`Industrial: That layout doesn't agree with me one bit. To me, it's stealing too much center-screen space. But that's me =)`
`21:52.03`	`Industrial`	`Mikk1: I might remove the party`
`21:52.12`	`Josh\|Gone`	`thanks mikk1 :D`
`21:52.22`	`Industrial`	`Mikk1: but I follow the philosophy of 'less moving your head from where it needs to be is better'`
`21:52.29`	`Industrial`	`that is, the center of your screen`
`21:52.34`	`Mikk1`	`True`
`21:52.43`	`Industrial`	`topleft unitframes`
`21:52.45`	`Industrial`	`back to center`
`21:52.47`	`Industrial`	`topright buffs`
`21:52.49`	`Industrial`	`back to center`
`21:52.50`	`Industrial`	`etc`
`21:52.54`	`Industrial`	`is bad, imo`
`21:52.57`	`Mikk1`	`You may have a point there`
`21:53.10`	`Mikk1`	`I saw this problem a lot more when I started playing my rogue`
`21:53.15`	`Mikk1`	`My eyes kept bouncing all over the place`
`21:53.16`	`Industrial`	`:)`
`21:53.18`	`Industrial`	`yeh`
`21:53.35`	`Mikk1`	`Checking combo points.. Checking his health.. Checking my health... Checking what skills are on cool.`
`21:53.44`	`Mikk1`	`Checking if Riposte is up`
`21:53.45`	`Mikk1`	`huaa`
`21:53.51`	`Mikk1`	`I ended up installing ArcHUD`
`21:53.55`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`21:54.07`	`Industrial`	`The XP/Honour bar you see there`
`21:54.07`	`Mikk1`	`Oh, not to mention checking energy`
`21:54.14`	`Industrial`	`is also a casting bar`
`21:54.19`	`Industrial`	`at least, thats what I want it to be`
`21:54.33`	`Mikk1`	`Rogues will want it to be an energy bar while in combat`
`21:54.45`	`Industrial`	`youhave that on your unit frame`
`21:55.04`	`Industrial`	`but yeah, if you dont cast its just an exp bar`
`21:55.05`	`Mikk1`	`Better to have it closer to the action buttons`
`21:55.10`	`Industrial`	`this is all concept atm though`
`21:55.15`	`chuckg`	`the only thing you need to watch as a rogue is unit frames.`
`21:55.17`	`Industrial`	`no wait, i have 1 frame! ^^`
`21:55.21`	`chuckg`	`You're up the monsters asshole 90% of the time anyway.`
`21:55.29`	`Industrial`	`chuckg: pvp`
`21:55.31`	`Mikk1`	`chuckg: Try combat rogue`
`21:55.32`	`chuckg`	`backstab-sin sin sin sin evisc.`
`21:55.40`	`chuckg`	`SCT`
`21:55.42`	`chuckg`	`Combo + 1`
`21:55.44`	`chuckg`	`"Finish it"`
`21:55.45`	`chuckg`	`=D`
`21:55.48`	`Industrial`	`yep`
`21:55.48`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`21:55.52`	`Industrial`	`I really like sct`
`21:55.59`	`Mikk1`	`Myeah I'm told it works well too`
`21:56.09`	`Industrial`	`And its small too`
`21:56.12`	`Industrial`	`200KiB?`
`21:56.15`	`Industrial`	`well.. on load`
`21:56.26`	`chuckg`	`IT's small.`
`21:56.31`	`chuckg`	`And not too heavy in memory`
`21:56.39`	`chuckg`	`At least the older version is.`
`21:56.45`	`chuckg`	`I use the original 4.0, no bells and whistles.`
`21:56.48`	`Industrial`	`digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/addons`
`21:56.52`	`Industrial`	`--^ those are small`
`21:56.53`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`21:57.03`	`chuckg`	`There's new ones that will have the damage you take fall in the direction of the person attacking you.`
`21:57.06`	`chuckg`	`That's just too much.`
`21:57.16`	`chuckg`	`If you can't figure out that there's a rogue backstabbing you in half a second you deserve to die.`
`21:57.18`	`Industrial`	`you mean the rainbow one?`
`21:57.23`	`chuckg`	`Yea.`
`21:57.31`	`Industrial`	`that doesnt fall in someone direction`
`21:57.35`	`Industrial`	`just in a rainbow left or right`
`21:57.36`	`chuckg`	`That's what I read.`
`21:57.37`	`Industrial`	`it looks nice`
`21:57.40`	`chuckg`	`Maybe I misunderstood.`
`21:57.48`	`Industrial`	`its like Ragnarok online`
`21:58.06`	`chuckg`	`Too much anyway.`
`21:58.10`	`chuckg`	`At least for me.`
`21:58.29`	`Wobin`	`Mikk`
`21:58.35`	`Wobin`	`GonffBar =P`
`21:59.19`	`Wobin`	`It shows if the skill your cursor is currently over has enough energy to execute, by changing it's colour`
`21:59.37`	`Wobin`	`which was horrible grammar.... but it's late =P`
`22:00.24`	`Mikk1`	`Still means I have to look down there =)`
`22:00.32`	`Industrial`	`http://usuarios.lycos.es/asdasddsaasd/RO%20Screenies/3.jpg`
`22:00.34`	`Industrial`	`ah yes RO`
`22:00.36`	`Industrial`	`good times`
`22:00.38`	`Industrial`	`:')`
`22:01.07`	`Wobin`	`Mikk1: It's an energywatch bar, you'd have it right under the middle of your screen anyway`
`22:01.23`	`Industrial`	`Wobin: I dont understand the concept... I mean.. redrange?`
`22:01.28`	`Mikk1`	`Wobin: ah`
`22:01.36`	`Wobin`	`no, energy`
`22:01.43`	`Industrial`	`redrange does mana/energy too`
`22:01.53`	`Industrial`	`its blue when you dont have enough`
`22:02.04`	`Wobin`	`probably, but it's mouse cursor specific, not actionbutton specific`
`22:02.22`	`Wobin`	`you mouse over the action you want, and the energywatch bar changes colour according to readystate`
`22:02.23`	`Industrial`	`mmk`
`22:02.42`	`Wobin`	`So the bar changes colour, not the actionbutton`
`22:03.05`	`Wobin`	`(which actually does change colour, but that's Blizzard default action)`
`22:03.10`	`Mikk1`	`blink idChatScroll ... isn't that standard functionality?`
`22:03.18`	`Mikk1`	`I could swear I always use the mouse wheel to scroll my chat frames`
`22:03.26`	`Mikk1`	`And afaik I never installed a mod to do that`
`22:03.57`	`Josh\|Gone`	`ct mod has it as an option`
`22:04.33`	`Mikk1`	`I don't have ctmod`
`22:04.47`	`Industrial`	`ctmod? whats that?`
`22:04.49`	`Mikk1`	`I run fairly vanilla`
`22:04.56`	`Mikk1`	`AND I LIKE IT`
`22:05.05`	`Industrial`	`I run with 50 addons at 13MB usage`
`22:05.08`	`Industrial`	`:>`
`22:05.18`	`Mikk1`	`Well, I have a bunch of specific-purpose addons... 20ish total?`
`22:05.22`	`Industrial`	`yeh`
`22:05.43`	`Mikk1`	`Nothing that totally changes my UI though`
`22:06.02`	`SinPi`	`umm. GetItemInfo returns "INVTYPE_CLOAK" for item location. Great. How do I parse that, since it's a constant's name..?`
`22:06.28`	`Mikk1`	`Hunh?`
`22:06.35`	`Mikk1`	`How do you need to parse it?`
`22:06.55`	`SinPi`	`well, I'd like to extract the actual string hiding under that constant name.`
`22:07.03`	`SinPi`	`"Cloak", or "Back", for instance.`
`22:07.28`	`Mikk1`	`pretty sure there's constants defined`
`22:07.29`	`Mikk1`	`sec`
`22:07.41`	`SinPi`	`That is a constant, indeed.`
`22:07.59`	`Mikk1`	`getglobal("INVTYPE_CLOAK")`
`22:08.05`	`SinPi`	`I can ChatFrame1:AddMessage(INVTYPE_HEAD) and I receive "Head" there.`
`22:08.05`	`Mikk1`	`-> Back`
`22:08.15`	`SinPi`	`oh. That way.`
`22:08.40`	`SinPi`	`So, _,_,blabla,itemloc = GetItemInfo(...) and getglobal(itemloc). Clever.`
`22:09.37`	`SinPi`	`Now that item location is returned in such a nice localization-proof way, why do the itemtype/subtype return values get plain english >_<`
`22:09.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`tell me how to parse a tooltip :-(`
`22:09.53`	`Josh_Borke`	`the game tooltip`
`22:10.07`	`Mikk1`	`RTFWoWWiki`
`22:10.13`	`Mikk1`	`There's a howto on it`
`22:10.18`	`Mikk1`	`Or was it a tech detail doc`
`22:11.24`	`Josh_Borke`	`there's a page with tooltip pseudo code`
`22:11.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`oh wait! i found it!`
`22:15.17`	`Cairenn`	`speaking of the wiki ...`
`22:15.46`	`Cairenn`	`you really should list a) this channel, b) the in-game guilds in the "Resources" section :p`
`22:16.52`	`Mikk1`	`There's no U in wiki!`
`22:17.05`	`Mikk1`	`There's only we!`
`22:17.06`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`22:18.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Gawd`
`22:20.20`	`Kirkburn`	`I was gonna do it, but I can't think of a good way to write it :P`
`22:20.34`	`Cairenn`	`precisely`
`22:20.36`	`Kirkburn`	`What are the guilds?`
`22:20.52`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651`
`22:21.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Mikk1, you want to do it? :)`
`22:22.00`	`Industrial`	`"liek hai sho rite irc is at heeeere --> IRCCLINKE <-- and like theres guilds on srv 1 2 and 3 lol tkhxbye"`
`22:22.02`	`Cairenn`	`unfortunately there's no way I can set up EU support guilds too`
`22:22.37`	`Mikk1`	`Hey, cool. That one definitely belongs in the wiki.`
`22:22.46`	`Cairenn`	`?`
`22:22.54`	`Mikk1`	`the post`
`22:22.56`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`22:22.58`	`Kaso`	`How come Horde get a out-dated function as they're name! not fair`
`22:23.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Phew, don't have to think about it myself ...`
`22:23.20`	`Cairenn`	`hehehehe, it's a joke ... Horde, being "evil" and all, get the "no no" name`
`22:23.58`	`Mikk1`	`Kirkburn: I reverted your change to Policytocnotoc for the moment. I already tried that and the policy pages become visually messy. I'll change it when the CSS gets changed.`
`22:24.03`	`Kirkburn`	`:(`
`22:24.18`	`Kirkburn`	`It made the dev Main Page look nice :(`
`22:24.22`	`Kirkburn`	`:(`
`22:24.24`	`Mikk1`	`hehe`
`22:24.34`	`Mikk1`	`Move the contents to another template`
`22:24.42`	`Mikk1`	`Pull that into the main page with your own design`
`22:24.45`	`Kirkburn`	`What!? That's crazy!`
`22:25.10`	`Mikk1`	`Policytoc/Content`
`22:25.32`	`Cairenn`	`Mikk1: when you are bored from all the work on the Wiki, I've got another project that I'd love a hand with`
`22:25.39`	`Mikk1`	`Would allow you to blow it up a bit bigger too, which is a good idea in the main menu imo`
`22:25.58`	`Mikk1`	`Cairenn: You realize I'm neck deep in http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench also, right? =)`
`22:26.08`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`22:26.11`	`Mikk1`	`Oh, k =)`
`22:26.14`	`Cairenn`	`but I do now`
`22:26.22`	`Mikk1`	`Well`
`22:26.25`	`Mikk1`	`That's an overstatement`
`22:26.30`	`Mikk1`	`I'm not trying to fly solo with it`
`22:26.37`	`Mikk1`	`What's your idea? =)`
`22:26.42`	`Cairenn`	`I just really need to get the stupid FAQ updated :p`
`22:27.09`	`Cairenn`	`and I need someone to help me finish sorting it out, but no one else in channel has been particularly helpful ><`
`22:27.12`	`SinPi`	`Hmm. AuctionFrameBrowse.selected* fields are stupid. I cannot use the selectedClass except for reading, as it's always overridden by selectedClassIndex. So, all in all, I have to only use *Index fields? :/`
`22:27.26`	`SinPi`	`or have I overlooked someting..?`
`22:27.27`	`Industrial`	`well uh you wouldnt want me to do it`
`22:27.32`	`Industrial`	`Cairenn`
`22:27.51`	`Industrial`	`cause uhh... because`
`22:27.52`	`Industrial`	`:>`
`22:29.10`	`Kirkburn`	`If I did it, it would be full of weird jokes and rambling asides and rants. And little else.`
`22:29.20`	`Cairenn`	`see what I mean?`
`22:29.49`	`Mikk1`	`I'm good at speedily rearranging stuff and checking up on language and grammar and stuff`
`22:29.50`	`Cairenn`	`s'okay, one of these days I'll buckle down and finish it`
`22:30.09`	`Mikk1`	`But tbqph, if you're asking me to come up with actual questions.... erhum.. no =)`
`22:30.46`	`Mikk1`	`On another note, WoWWiki needs a sane FAQ ;)`
`22:31.24`	`Cairenn`	`outside the UI stuff, I'm not the best to assist`
`22:31.38`	`Mikk1`	`UI FAQ, I meant`
`22:31.41`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`22:31.53`	`Mikk1`	`I don't care much about all the rest =)`
`22:31.56`	`Cairenn`	`hang on 2, trying to find linkage for you to see where I'm at`
`22:32.21`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3868`
`22:32.22`	`Cairenn`	`there`
`22:32.34`	`Cairenn`	`that's how far along I am, and it's already desperately outdated again`
`22:32.38`	`Mikk1`	`Sec, just trying to squeeze your channel # guilds into wowwiki someplace first`
`22:32.38`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@adsl-212-53-142.lft.bellsouth.net)`
`22:32.44`	`Mikk1`	`s/#/&/`
`22:32.53`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
`22:34.10`	`Mikk1`	`Meh, "External Links" and "Resources" overlap`
`22:35.24`	`Mikk1`	`"chat.freenode.net", not "irc."?`
`22:35.34`	`Kirkburn`	`I use irc. :/`
`22:35.41`	`Mikk1`	`Thought so`
`22:35.42`	`Cairenn`	`either or`
`22:35.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, I was gonna suggest the joint FAQ thing, much easier to keep the two up-to-date that way`
`22:36.06`	`Cairenn`	`well, I maintain it on the Blizz (US) forum and on my site`
`22:36.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, but now you can blame the wiki people :P`
`22:36.25`	`Cairenn`	`once it's all sorted out, I'd be willing to keep it updated on the wiki`
`22:36.48`	`Cairenn`	`But. I. Need. Help. Getting. It. Sorted. Out!`
`22:37.27`	`SinPi`	`sorted out as in resolved, or as in categorized and ordered?`
`22:37.39`	`Cairenn`	`categorized, ordered, named, updated`
`22:37.50`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3868`
`22:37.54`	`Cairenn`	`is where I'm at with it`
`22:38.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`oh wow, that's huge`
`22:39.02`	`Cairenn`	`uh huh`
`22:39.08`	`Cairenn`	`that's why I need help!`
`22:39.20`	`Cairenn`	`because the OTHER reality is, I'm not a coder`
`22:39.28`	`Cairenn`	`I don't know a lot of this stuff`
`22:39.47`	`Cairenn`	`along with having everything else that's on my plate`
`22:40.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`hm, when i'm bored at work i could work on it. is it in a place where it's easily modifiable?`
`22:40.38`	`Cairenn`	`pick a section, link to it and post a response with it sorted out`
`22:40.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`ok`
`22:41.42`	`Cairenn`	`once I've got it all sorted out, I plan on taking it OUT of the "Help" forum on WoWI and actually adding it to the FAQ`
`22:42.16`	`Cairenn`	`along with getting the new thread(s) up on the Blizz (US) forums, and on the wiki if folks want me to`
`22:42.35`	`Cairenn`	`but I really truly do want help with it, the FAQ is a result of the community working together`
`22:42.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Evelenty?`
`22:42.42`	`Cairenn`	`that's how it started`
`22:42.46`	`Cairenn`	`eleventy ;)`
`22:42.49`	`Kirkburn`	`=)`
`22:42.52`	`Cairenn`	`is a joke`
`22:43.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Me no understand word joke. Me Tarzan. Where Jane?`
`22:45.15`	`Mikk1`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/In-game_Developer_Guilds`
`22:46.07`	`Kirkburn`	`What is it with you and divs?`
`22:46.24`	`Mikk1`	`They make it nice and indented`
`22:46.26`	`Mikk1`	`Indent = good`
`22:46.46`	`Kirkburn`	`It's also putting the word 'welcome' on the next line, all alone ;)`
`22:46.55`	`Mikk1`	`grr`
`22:50.06`	`Kirkburn`	`:) Better now`
`22:50.24`	`Mikk1`	`Both are linked from http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization`
`22:50.53`	`Cairenn`	`nice, thanks Mikk1`
`22:53.17`	`Mikk1`	`Q: I want an aggro meter!`
`22:53.17`	`Mikk1`	`A: It's brought up a lot. Short answer: no.`
`22:53.19`	`Mikk1`	`meep, wrong =)`
`22:53.48`	`Cairenn`	`meep, not wrong`
`22:54.01`	`Mikk1`	`huh?`
`22:54.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`threat meter is only an approximation`
`22:54.20`	`Cairenn`	`short answer, it isn't really possible`
`22:54.28`	`Mikk1`	`Well true, it's not 100% accurate`
`22:54.35`	`Mikk1`	`But it comes a lot closer than gut feel =P`
`22:54.41`	`Josh_Borke`	`it's not exact and just makes guesses. it's not really aggro either, but threat`
`22:54.48`	`zenzelezz`	`and accurate is what people generally want when they ask for it`
`22:54.49`	`Cairenn`	`short being the pertinent word in the statement`
`22:54.54`	`Mikk1`	`mkay =)`
`22:55.02`	`Josh_Borke`	`GUFFAW! stup.id forgetting to enable addons and wondering why they aren't working`
`22:55.20`	`Josh_Borke`	`spent 15 minutes because i didn't know it was disabled :/`
`22:56.11`	`zenzelezz`	`true threat/aggro meters would have to read the values from server... since you need to take into account the talent bonuses/reductions and whatnot, spell aggro-wipe... would be fun to have, but not having it is also somehow nice`
`22:57.21`	`Mikk1`	`Aye but threat meter DOES take equipment and talent bonuses into account`
`22:57.28`	`Mikk1`	`And, yes, it's still just an approximation =)`
`22:58.16`	`Mikk1`	`And computes threat reduction from knockbacks, etc (based on empirical test)`
`22:58.16`	`zenzelezz`	`can you see other players' talents?`
`22:58.20`	`Mikk1`	`I don't need to`
`22:58.24`	`Mikk1`	`I compute my own threat`
`22:58.27`	`Mikk1`	`Everyone else computes theirs`
`22:58.28`	`Josh_Borke`	`it would be very accurate IFF everyone had it`
`22:58.32`	`Mikk1`	`Gets communicated over a channel`
`22:58.45`	`Mikk1`	`We've tested it quite extensively in BWL`
`22:58.50`	`Mikk1`	`With the aggro reducing ddrakes`
`22:58.53`	`Mikk1`	`It's surprisingly accurate`
`22:58.57`	`Tarog`	`Mikk1: What do you consider GetChatTypeIndex() to be in the implementation process?`
`22:59.10`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't want such stuff, I would want one where you could be the single person running it and still get the right values`
`22:59.14`	`Mikk1`	`Tarog: HALF`
`22:59.22`	`Tarog`	`alrighty`
`22:59.44`	`Mikk1`	`zenzelezz: Then the FAQ answer is right =)`
`23:00.37`	`Mikk1`	`The kicker was when a +dmg stacking priest went all out on PoH against Vaelstraz. He got eaten exactly two seconds after the aggro meter warned.`
`23:00.49`	`Tarog`	`GetChatWindowMessages(n) ?`
`23:00.59`	`Mikk1`	`Erhm... dud`
`23:01.12`	`Mikk1`	`unless i'm misremembering`
`23:01.22`	`Mikk1`	`doesn't it just return 0?`
`23:01.43`	`Mikk1`	`oh`
`23:01.53`	`Mikk1`	`HALF i suppose`
`23:06.29`	`Mikk1`	`Cairenn: So, what do I do? Stick it in the wiki as separate pages and start chugging away at whatever I think is appropriate?`
`23:06.53`	`Cairenn`	`I'd rather stick to the thread for now, if you don't mind?`
`23:07.07`	`Cairenn`	`you can see where I got to pretty easily`
`23:07.07`	`Mikk1`	`That works too i suppose`
`23:07.33`	`Cairenn`	`when it gets to the point of "more Section X", everything from there on out needs to finish being sorted`
`23:08.06`	`Cairenn`	`so you could simply say "this is the sorting out of [this] part" and then the updated stuff`
`23:08.33`	`Cairenn`	`and yes, I DO want to use "what, when, where, why, how, panic" etc`
`23:08.40`	`Cairenn`	`KISS, for the newbs`
`23:08.59`	`Tarog`	`Mikk1: What exactly did you remove from api.lua?`
`23:13.43`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Mr_Rabies2 (i=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)`
`23:14.41`	`Mikk1`	`All string. and table. mappings. They're in utils.lua now.`
`23:14.56`	`Mikk1`	`Cairenn: You're getting no objections from me`
`23:16.15`	`Cairenn`	`so have I, obviously ... I've been doing UI FAQs for quite a while now, but unfortunately I have problems with the WoW one because I haven't managed to wrap my head around the stupid coding :p`
`23:16.40`	`Cairenn`	`and is IT a very extensive one, thanks to the hard work of the community :)`
`23:16.54`	`Cairenn`	`s/is IT/it IS/`
`23:21.11`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`23:21.19`	`Mikk1`	`Seriously, just wikify it =)`
`23:21.49`	`Industrial`	`yeah and yell RTFW every time someone asks wometinh`
`23:21.54`	`Industrial`	`RTFW!`
`23:22.09`	`Industrial`	`'but its not on there'`
`23:22.12`	`Industrial`	`then put it there :p`
`23:22.19`	`Mikk1`	`hehe`
`23:22.40`	`Cairenn`	`"Cairenn: once I've got it all sorted out, I plan on taking it OUT of the "Help" forum on WoWI and actually adding it to the FAQ`
`23:22.40`	`Cairenn`	`Cairenn: along with getting the new thread(s) up on the Blizz (US) forums, and on the wiki if folks want me to"`
`23:23.24`	`Mikk1`	`Aye, I realize that. I'm just saying that you're causing unnecessary pain by editing in a forum environment.`
`23:23.36`	`Mikk1`	`Wikis are kind of made for collaborative editing.`
`23:24.01`	`Mikk1`	`Changelogs and all`
`23:24.01`	`Cairenn`	`ah, but I don't actually edit it in the forum, I've got it saved in a word processing document`
`23:24.11`	`Mikk1`	`See? =P`
`23:24.34`	`Cairenn`	`so as the changes are made, I just re-arrange it in the document, then the finalized copy will go up on the various sites :p`
`23:24.45`	`Mikk1`	`So what do _I_ edit? o.O`
`23:25.32`	`Cairenn`	`fine, I'll put it up on the wiki, gimme a starting page :p`
`23:25.40`	`Mikk1`	`haha`
`23:25.51`	`Cairenn`	`I just really didn't want to put it up as the current mess that it is`
`23:25.57`	`Mikk1`	`Don't have to link to it`
`23:25.59`	`Cairenn`	`that is NOT how I work`
`23:26.08`	`Mikk1`	`There's enough orphans in there that it'll never be found unless you want it to =)`
`23:26.10`	`Cairenn`	`I give nice polished finished work`
`23:26.59`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
`23:27.22`	`Kirkburn`	`If a WIP bar is stuck across the top it should be fine`
`23:27.33`	`Kirkburn`	`A big bright red bar saying WIP! WIP! WIP!`
`23:27.43`	`Cairenn`	`><`
`23:28.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Actually, best idea would be to stick it on your user page perhaps`
`23:28.40`	`Kirkburn`	`No-one will touch that unless asked`
`23:28.40`	`Mikk1`	`Dude, go read it first =P`
`23:28.44`	`Mikk1`	`It's frigging huge =P`
`23:28.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Well more than 1 user page then!`
`23:30.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah okay, UI FAQ it is then :P`
`23:30.38`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (i=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com)`
`23:30.38`	`SinPi`	`great, I broke Blizz UI scripts. :>`
`23:30.47`	`Tarog`	`congratulations`
`23:30.50`	`Tarog`	`:P`
`23:31.17`	`SinPi`	`Blizzard_AuctionUI.lua:283: Usage: GetAuctionInvTypes(classIndex,subClassIndex) :>`
`23:31.23`	`SinPi`	`erm. Yay me. :>`
`23:31.29`	`Mikk1`	`Write an API emulator. You get to break shitloads that way =)`
`23:31.50`	`Mikk1`	`In the most imaginative ways, too`
`23:31.55`	`Tarog`	`yep`
`23:32.11`	`Mikk1`	`I was convinced that blizzard were cheating, and ignoring errors in <OnLoad> handlers in FrameXML for the longest time`
`23:32.19`	`SinPi`	`hey, my first breakage. Not my fault the auction frame leaves a ton of puzzles "why was it implemented THIS way!? gods!!"...`
`23:32.28`	`Mikk1`	`Until I found out that I had to adjust my loading order ever so slightly`
`23:33.49`	`_B`	`Blizzard UI code is fucked up`
`23:34.00`	`_B`	`One can only assume they had competent coders to work on the rest of the game`
`23:34.02`	`SinPi`	`I pessimistically presume that none of you have any experience with launching custom auctions through setting stuff in the auctionframe? ^^;`
`23:34.18`	`SinPi`	`well, it's not that fucked up, as it is fighting itself.`
`23:34.35`	`_B`	`I'm glad that you can make the distinction`
`23:34.39`	`Kirkburn`	`_B ... you realise that there are almost no games that allow this kind of stuff?`
`23:35.06`	`SinPi`	`no wonder some addons have to reach with their right leg behind their left ear to accomplish the simplest things - Blizz code does the same!`
`23:35.15`	`Josh_Borke`	`anyway i can set the garbage limit to some ridiculous amount?`
`23:35.37`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm Ron Burgundy?`
`23:35.43`	`Josh_Borke`	`...`
`23:36.30`	`Mikk1`	`why'd you want to do that? o.O`
`23:36.41`	`Kirkburn`	`To make it a question!`
`23:36.50`	`Mikk1`	`play "go fish" with objects that you haven't reffed for the past couple hours?`
`23:36.51`	`Mikk1`	`=)`
`23:37.01`	`SinPi`	`Recipe: Reverse word order`
`23:37.07`	`SinPi`	`Requires: Linguistics 225`
`23:37.27`	`Josh_Borke`	`( Mikk1 ): so i don't have to worry about GC during a boss fight :D`
`23:37.30`	`Mikk1`	`Regex 101: s/(\w+) (\w+)/\2 \1/`
`23:37.37`	`Mikk1`	`hahaha`
`23:37.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Until your computer crashes, of course :)`
`23:37.52`	`Mikk1`	`You'll run headfirst into Disk Swapping tho =P`
`23:38.02`	`Mikk1`	`If anything, I'd tune it down so it'd happen more often I think`
`23:38.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`( Mikk1 ): i've got 3GB of ram`
`23:38.09`	`Mikk1`	`smaller breaks`
`23:38.11`	`Mikk1`	`oops`
`23:38.14`	`Mikk1`	`Nerf you`
`23:38.24`	`Tarog`	`you can force a GC before a boss fight if you want though`
`23:38.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`i've got some addon that eats memory like a starving pig`
`23:39.02`	`Mikk1`	`~whaleslap Kirkburn`
`23:39.04`	`purl`	`ACTION beats Kirkburn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`23:39.09`	`Mikk1`	`You didn't document Policytoc/Content !`
`23:39.31`	`Kirkburn`	`I haven't the faintest what you mean!`
`23:39.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`so that's a no?`
`23:40.06`	`Mikk1`	`<noinclude>This gets pulled in by <foo> and <bar>, and gets linked to by <baz>.[[Category: Navigation Templates]]</noinclude>`
`23:40.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh right ... well, I didn't do it at first because it was a WIP`
`23:40.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`oh! i could hook it couldn't i!`
`23:41.13`	`Mikk1`	`get rid of $crapaddon?`
`23:41.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`too lazy to figure out which one it is`
`23:42.42`	`Cairenn`	`work in progress`
`23:42.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`Work In Progress?`
`23:42.44`	`Mikk1`	`o`
`23:43.05`	`Mikk1`	`I thought it'd be related to TCPIP Error at first`
`23:43.25`	`Mikk1`	`(not related to TCP/IP Error)`
`23:43.35`	`Kirkburn`	`(wow)`
`23:44.10`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`23:44.15`	`Josh_Borke`	`to call people in person!`
`23:44.22`	`Mikk1`	`Thumb Centrally Placed In Palm`
`23:44.33`	`Cairenn`	`weirdoes`
`23:45.13`	`Mikk1`	`I'd be ... well, not rich, but I'd have a great dinner if I had a dime for every time I've heard our support techs use it as an excuse.`
`23:46.27`	`Mikk1`	`PEBCAK got old`
`23:46.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Yup, I sure do understand what the hell you're talking about! ....`
`23:47.03`	`Mikk1`	`... opposable thumbs?`
`23:48.10`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`23:49.01`	`Wobin`	`thumb centrally placed in palm?`
`23:52.14`	`zenzelezz`	`I can't quite see that replace PEBCAK`
`23:53.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Yay, breaking wiki pages is fun! And I don't understand why! Whee!`
`23:53.30`	`Cairenn`	`Eye Dee Ten Tee Error`
`23:54.04`	`Kirkburn`	`Who am I?`
`23:56.30`	`Tarog`	`Mikk1: SetWhoToUI(n) ?`

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