| 00:02.30 | Mikk1 | Err. FULL I guess. Except nothing listens to it =) |
| 00:03.19 | cladhaire | Someone download Clique and play with it. |
| 00:03.37 | cladhaire | It integrates with WatchDog, DUF and Blizzard's party/player/target frames right now. |
| 00:03.49 | cladhaire | and gives you LeftButton == TargetUnit and RightButton == UnitMenu |
| 00:03.58 | cladhaire | also has spell rank selection for buffs |
| 00:04.01 | cladhaire | automagically |
| 00:04.17 | cladhaire | just open your spellbook, and click the Mouse with a Wizard's Hat =) |
| 00:04.31 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/root/branches/Clique/Unstable/Clique |
| 00:05.23 | cladhaire | ...and then it got weird. |
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| 00:18.40 | Industrial | clad|away: whats Clique? |
| 00:18.58 | SinPi | Okay, I seem to suck at LUA. Never claimed to know it, though... If a function returns a list, I'm supposed to retrieve it as vara,varb,varc = fun(). What if I want to get these values as an array? |
| 00:19.21 | Josh_Borke | tbl = { func } |
| 00:19.31 | SinPi | doh. Simple. |
| 00:22.28 | Josh_Borke | erm, how can a function have - memory? |
| 00:22.58 | Josh_Borke | more of a question for wereHamster though :D |
| 00:23.09 | Corrodias | what does it mean to "have - memory"? |
| 00:23.25 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, why? |
| 00:24.09 | Josh_Borke | i'm using luaprofiler |
| 00:24.28 | Josh_Borke | i've got 3 functions that for MsRC it's -<number> |
| 00:24.50 | Corrodias | you mean a negative amount? then it's obviously an error, at some point |
| 00:25.06 | wereHamster | LuaProfiler won't work for nested function calls.. |
| 00:25.15 | Josh_Borke | ah, that'd do it then probably |
| 00:25.16 | Corrodias | unless they free more memory than they allocate and the profiler considers those negative amounts |
| 00:32.38 | SinPi | Haha! I rule! Searching for "similar" items in the auction house: like, "similar to my 27-level leather boots, please" = "leather boots, level 25 to 29". </egoboost> |
| 00:32.58 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 00:33.55 | SinPi | so, anyway, how much exp do I get for beating the AuctionFrameFilters monster? :P |
| 00:36.29 | Josh_Borke | worst place to wipe ever: suprression room |
| 00:36.50 | Industrial | Make it search and compile the best possible set of items |
| 00:36.56 | Mikk1 | No, the worst place is to get to the lootlord and get him to 5% and THEN wipe |
| 00:37.55 | Kebinusan | Anywhere a guildmate of mine says, "Hey guys let me just try something here" |
| 00:38.23 | Mikk1 | There were a lot of "let me just..." |
| 00:38.38 | Kebinusan | heheh you can LOS the shadowflame at the start of phase 2 |
| 00:38.56 | Kebinusan | we have a bunch of people trying to skip the onyxia cloaks |
| 00:39.00 | Mikk1 | pf |
| 00:39.21 | Mikk1 | for what purpose. it's not as if they can go all-out anyway |
| 00:39.27 | Mikk1 | unless their equip sucks in general |
| 00:39.50 | Mikk1 | or you wait an insane amount of time before the nuke order =) |
| 00:41.22 | Kebinusan | or you have a dwarf priest |
| 00:41.53 | Mikk1 | dorf priests always die 1 minute into the fight |
| 00:41.54 | Mikk1 | it's a rule |
| 00:42.04 | Josh_Borke | ROFL! |
| 00:42.04 | Kebinusan | hahah |
| 00:42.15 | Mikk1 | doesn't matter if it's the umpteenth time you're taking down onyxia. the dorf priest dies. |
| 00:42.43 | Ktron | maybe if they'd stop yelling "CHARGE!!!" |
| 00:42.47 | Mikk1 | oh, and me, if i'm on my warlock |
| 00:42.51 | Mikk1 | onyxia always eats me when she lands |
| 00:43.05 | Mikk1 | i'm thinking there's some residual aggro from p2 |
| 00:49.44 | Kebinusan | yeah pretty sure there is |
| 00:50.01 | Kebinusan | I got a Fetish of the Sand Reaver a while ago, its my favorite pve trinket now |
| 00:58.25 | Kirkburn | Need advice - I want to send my girl some flowers with a reasonably large budget, but I'm not sure what I should look for (gonna buy online) |
| 00:58.50 | Kirkburn | (being away for months does wonders for a relationship :/ ) |
| 00:59.13 | Tarog | go through any store that is a part of FTD |
| 00:59.27 | Kirkburn | In terms of flowers :P |
| 00:59.55 | Tarog | well that'll make sure that the flower is quality |
| 01:00.09 | Tarog | roses always work |
| 01:00.13 | Kirkburn | What's the FTD? Bear in mind this is a UK delivery |
| 01:00.19 | Josh_Borke | i got mine some random bouquet that was nice |
| 01:00.23 | Josh_Borke | just look at the picture |
| 01:00.26 | Josh_Borke | white roses are pretty |
| 01:00.32 | Tarog | yeah |
| 01:00.36 | Tarog | White and Red are both good |
| 01:00.53 | Josh_Borke | perhaps a few white, red pink. she might like white roses with pink tips, i know mine does |
| 01:01.11 | Kirkburn | They sounds nice :) |
| 01:01.22 | Tarog | ftd is more of a US thing |
| 01:01.25 | Josh_Borke | NEVER try to follow a raid full of healing |
| 01:01.27 | Tarog | so yeah, not sure about you UK people |
| 01:01.37 | Kirkburn | What about blue flowers? She's a fan of blue ... |
| 01:01.52 | Josh_Borke | erm, is it lilacs? |
| 01:01.56 | Josh_Borke | where's Cairenn when you need her |
| 01:02.15 | Mikk1 | My advice would be to ask in the shop |
| 01:02.24 | Mikk1 | The people are there for a reason =) |
| 01:02.32 | Josh_Borke | to steal your money of course |
| 01:02.35 | Josh_Borke | but he's doing it online |
| 01:02.37 | Kirkburn | I'd love to do that, but I'm in Italy and she's in the UK :) |
| 01:02.40 | Mikk1 | Ohyeah. Online. |
| 01:02.42 | Mikk1 | My bad. |
| 01:03.13 | Josh_Borke | you could buy a flower for every <day/week/month/year> you've been together, they get a big kick out of that |
| 01:03.21 | Kirkburn | I've only bought her flowers once in nearly 3 years, so it should be a nice surprise |
| 01:03.40 | Kirkburn | Ooh, that's a cool idea |
| 01:03.46 | Mikk1 | Better make it months then |
| 01:03.50 | Mikk1 | Years would be kinda measly |
| 01:03.50 | Josh_Borke | lol, yea |
| 01:03.53 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 01:04.00 | Josh_Borke | daily is DEFINITELY over kill |
| 01:04.04 | Josh_Borke | trust me on this |
| 01:04.12 | Kirkburn | Need a big lorry for that! |
| 01:04.25 | Josh_Borke | i don't understand this crazy english you speak :_P |
| 01:05.06 | Kirkburn | van, camion, truck! |
| 01:05.18 | Kirkburn | 33 flowers, that sounds like |
| 01:05.32 | Josh_Borke | sorry, i'm only a dumb american with bad grammar |
| 01:05.45 | Josh_Borke | currently trying to lead in healing in BWL as a paladin |
| 01:05.52 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 01:06.01 | Mikk1 | shouldn't be a problem tbh |
| 01:06.08 | Mikk1 | permaflash tanks on bosses |
| 01:06.12 | Mikk1 | no priest or druid can keep up |
| 01:06.23 | Josh_Borke | it wasn't until i started fixing my mod |
| 01:06.28 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 01:06.33 | Josh_Borke | put me behind by quite a bit |
| 01:06.35 | Mikk1 | ok, that sounds more like a challenge ;) |
| 01:06.46 | Josh_Borke | think i've got it fixed though |
| 01:06.52 | Mikk1 | "Oh, booh, 2nd on healing. But I worked 5 bugs outta my mod at the same time!" |
| 01:06.57 | Tarog | RequestTimePlayed() ? |
| 01:07.32 | Mikk1 | dud |
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| 01:07.58 | Josh_Borke | about 100k down :-( |
| 01:09.14 | Josh_Borke | not drinking the entire suppression room while chain healing = awesome |
| 01:09.22 | Miravlix | Hmm, my irssi theme is speaking polish, too bad it wa nice looking. :p |
| 01:10.37 | Kebinusan | Bleh, what are the odds that three of our tanks would be moving the same weekend :-/ |
| 01:11.01 | Kebinusan | And the fourth turned 18... |
| 01:11.42 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 01:11.46 | Josh_Borke | meh, it's only one week :D |
| 01:11.48 | Kebinusan | trying to clear to c'thun with only three tanks online not gonna happen |
| 01:12.04 | Miravlix | Nice challenge |
| 01:12.40 | Kebinusan | Ah well maybe we'll just run BWL with the DKP cost of all drops raised by two drinks. |
| 01:14.17 | SinPi | Miravlix: get someone to translate it :> |
| 01:16.12 | Miravlix | Perhaps, Sin, or choose another theme. :) |
| 01:18.51 | Kirkburn | Lol, this music vid is fun :D Just saw it on TV ... http://youtube.com/watch?v=SLlfhVanO9g |
| 01:24.46 | Miravlix | A girl that cleans is freaking sexy |
| 01:25.16 | Mikk1 | o.O |
| 01:25.25 | Mikk1 | A girl that cleans makes me feel guilty for not doing it also |
| 01:27.46 | Miravlix | I hate cleaning, so the nicest girl in the world is one that wouldn't mind cleaning |
| 01:28.26 | Miravlix | You don't need 50-50 workload in a relationship, that your different is a major plus. |
| 01:29.07 | Miravlix | Being able to do and be something for your partner is something that can go a long way to make a healthy relationship |
| 01:34.33 | Josh_Borke | psh! all i do is spin my chair! |
| 01:34.42 | Industrial | ;) |
| 01:34.47 | Miravlix | Your like Futte? |
| 01:34.49 | SinPi | hey, at least your jungle doesn't bite your ankles, like the dust on my floor does. |
| 01:34.53 | Miravlix | Falls asleep after spinning? |
| 01:34.54 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 01:35.00 | Industrial | so nn |
| 01:35.03 | Industrial | my eyes hurt |
| 01:35.04 | Industrial | :| |
| 01:35.14 | Josh_Borke | nn Industrial |
| 01:35.30 | SinPi | nn,dltbbb? :> |
| 01:35.39 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 01:35.44 | Mikk1 | just general ache or stinging? cos the latter might be your socks. |
| 01:36.59 | SinPi | hey, that makes sense. Vocalized consonants usually mean more stress put on them. Turning a "k" into a "g" might indicate a greater intensity. True both ways. |
| 01:39.23 | SinPi | ... or, splighingly harbonging the grols can trimple the smingers. Goodnight, or partlay-grink. |
| 01:40.49 | Josh_Borke | erm, i have no idea what you just said |
| 01:40.58 | SinPi | neither do I. |
| 01:44.06 | Josh_Borke | wb cladhaire |
| 01:44.21 | cladhaire | spanks =0 |
| 01:51.51 | Mikk1 | Zzzztime for me I think. |
| 01:53.48 | Cairenn | night Mikk1 |
| 01:54.45 | Josh_Borke | night Mikk1 |
| 01:54.58 | Mikk1 | Catch you tomorrow about FAQ work Cairenn. |
| 01:55.04 | Cairenn | okay Mikk1 |
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| 02:01.21 | Thrae | Grrrr. Bad FontString. It's truncating insetad of wrapping if I manually set its width. |
| 02:04.44 | Kirkburn | Night ni-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 02:05.03 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 02:05.17 | Kirkburn | :) nn |
| 02:06.05 | Josh_Borke | night kirkburn |
| 02:06.10 | Josh_Borke | ...only 1 minute late this time! |
| 02:11.16 | Tarog | phew... done |
| 02:14.34 | Cide | hmm.. Thrae, you don't happen to play a level 54 Dwarf Hunter on Doomhammer? |
| 02:16.33 | Crispix | Ni ni everyone.... |
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| 02:23.35 | cladhaire | Can anyone confirm that logging onto the PTR you can no longer right-click on your portrait to open up the dropdown menu? |
| 02:24.31 | Cairenn | cladhaire: dunno about on test, but on live you can't *if you have clique installed* |
| 02:24.53 | Cairenn | I had to disable it =/ |
| 02:25.04 | cladhaire | you can in the new version |
| 02:25.08 | cladhaire | it overrides ALL clicks |
| 02:25.18 | cladhaire | it now comes with LeftClick and RIghtClick working by default. |
| 02:25.29 | Cairenn | good |
| 02:25.43 | Cairenn | cuase that really sucked :p |
| 02:26.26 | Josh_Borke | lol Cairenn |
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| 03:53.42 | Tem | Anyone around? |
| 03:54.08 | cladhaire | no |
| 03:54.15 | Cairenn | looks like one or two, perhaps |
| 04:11.21 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 04:11.25 | Josh_Borke | no maybe? |
| 04:37.27 | Tem | you guys took too long |
| 04:37.32 | Tem | another channel beat you |
| 04:40.07 | Cairenn | yeah, took a real long time to answer: |
| 04:40.07 | Cairenn | (23:53:39) Tem: Anyone around? |
| 04:40.08 | Cairenn | (23:54:01) ***Cairenn looks around |
| 04:40.08 | Cairenn | (23:54:05) cladhaire: no |
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| 04:56.31 | cladhaire | lol |
| 05:00.53 | Cairenn | all your fault clad |
| 05:05.07 | Tain | I blame Zelda. |
| 05:06.39 | Cairenn | okay |
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| 06:42.13 | KarlKFI | meh, anything exciting happening? |
| 06:42.25 | Tarog | just got back from Nacho Libre |
| 06:42.34 | KarlKFI | funny? |
| 06:42.40 | Tarog | no |
| 06:42.52 | KarlKFI | didn't think so |
| 06:43.07 | Tarog | pretty much what you saw in the previews was all that was in the movie |
| 06:45.04 | KarlKFI | like the item won here: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/modscreen-4311-9017-1.html |
| 06:46.08 | KarlKFI | what's that guy using to modify the textures of his chat and edit box? think it's an addon or a custom job? |
| 06:46.50 | Tarog | possibly confab |
| 06:47.08 | Tarog | I haven't used confab, but I think it can do that |
| 06:47.12 | KarlKFI | i don't think confab changes the texture does it? thought it was just the placement |
| 06:47.32 | Tarog | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.39 | Tarog | it's one of the commands |
| 06:47.43 | Tarog | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=848 |
| 06:48.06 | Kebinusan | yeah |
| 06:48.15 | Kebinusan | I use MyEditBox or something, jsut simple slim and black |
| 06:48.18 | KarlKFI | orly |
| 06:48.20 | Kebinusan | that font in that screenshot is nice though |
| 06:48.23 | KarlKFI | interesting |
| 06:50.38 | gnorlish | i do like that font |
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| 07:16.43 | KarlKFI | can you GetText from the ChatFrames (ScrollingMessageFrame)? it's not on the wiki page.. |
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| 07:39.59 | Tarog | KarlKFI: don't believe so |
| 07:44.21 | KarlKFI | yeah, makes life difficult |
| 07:56.03 | KarlKFI | wow.. i love being able to think of an addon and write it in an hour.. |
| 07:56.10 | KarlKFI | POWER! |
| 07:56.27 | KarlKFI | been doign this too long, lol |
| 08:00.51 | Tarog | time for some snoozing, night peeps |
| 08:01.37 | KarlKFI | night |
| 08:29.01 | KarlKFI | night time |
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| 09:13.23 | Crispix | hrm |
| 09:13.29 | Crispix | Maxis must love me. |
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| 09:24.39 | Wobin | only in china |
| 09:24.48 | Wobin | they're advertising a head brace on TV |
| 09:40.46 | MoonWolf | :o |
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| 10:09.14 | Wobin | There isn't a channel member limit, is there? |
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| 12:27.35 | Mikk1 | Ok, so... trig functions in WoW operate on degrees... correct? |
| 12:27.50 | krka | check lua.org |
| 12:28.05 | Mikk1 | no, that's standard lua |
| 12:28.20 | Mikk1 | i want to know what WoW does |
| 12:29.10 | Mikk1 | i have a hazy recollection of Lua HAVING used degrees, and WoW now using it, but Lua have since gone over to radians |
| 12:29.32 | krka | hmm... afaik, wow uses radians too |
| 12:29.53 | krka | but my memory isn't what it never used to be |
| 12:30.29 | Mikk1 | memory like a steel sieve etc |
| 12:32.40 | Codayus | Anyone know offhand the hex color code for an epic item? |
| 12:33.26 | Codayus | nm, found it. |
| 12:33.39 | Mikk1 | WoW uses degrees for its trig fuctions. Period. |
| 12:33.45 | Mikk1 | That's what I thought |
| 12:35.19 | krka | hmm... i have actually used the trig functions from time to time.. so i must have used it correctly somehow |
| 12:35.31 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 12:35.43 | krka | ah yes... i only used arcran and it returned degrees now that i think about if |
| 12:35.57 | krka | (arctan is actually the only trig function used by AutoTravel) |
| 12:50.04 | Mikk1 | Oh, just does the division for me |
| 12:50.04 | Kirkburn | Wow, this is some genius editing ... the italian version of Pimp My Ride. Lots of people are chatting about the bike, but only one person is wearing a mike. Half the time there's absolutely no sound :) |
| 12:50.51 | Kirkburn | The're not even trying to hide the fact they forgot to check sound levels ... stupid italians |
| 12:52.43 | Kirkburn | Wow, what a stupid program ... it's hosted by a boy band, and one of their 'genius' ideas, was to strap an XBox to the back of the bike |
| 12:53.58 | Kirkburn | "I'm sorry, it's raining outside, I can't come on my bike" |
| 12:54.32 | Kirkburn | A rant doesn't work if no-one responds :( |
| 12:56.18 | Codayus | Sorry. |
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| 13:03.02 | MoonWolf | not really no. |
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| 13:16.29 | Miravlix | Someone download my addons 3 more times, I want my 500 aniversary download on WoWi |
| 13:21.35 | Wobin | what addon, Mir? |
| 13:22.20 | SinePi | what would be the fun in a cheated anniversary. :P |
| 13:22.24 | SinePi | patience, my young padawan! :D |
| 13:23.29 | Miravlix | I have 75K on Curse, I have to cheat to catch up |
| 13:23.34 | Wobin | Just do an update =) |
| 13:24.22 | Miravlix | Though since I'm primarly releasing libraries, it's going to be hard beating my Wardrobe counter on curse. :) |
| 13:25.53 | Wobin | Well, then think of it this way. Every download you get, you're bettering the state of the overall usage of addons =) Not just one aspect of the game =) |
| 13:26.01 | Wobin | (with libraries) |
| 13:26.10 | Miravlix | I need some way to get hits from all the developers that use my addons |
| 13:26.52 | Wobin | hard code it to whisper to you if you log on with a certain name =P |
| 13:27.33 | Kebinusan | code it to popup an in game dialogue box every third time its loaded that says: New version available, please go download |
| 13:27.55 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:29.43 | Miravlix | Oh |
| 13:29.57 | Miravlix | uiWoW released a UI backup tool |
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| 14:42.03 | Josh_Borke | what is clique? |
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| 14:51.57 | Wobin | Clickcasting mod? |
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| 15:15.15 | Josh_Borke | hm, ok |
| 15:27.25 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: you awake hun? |
| 15:28.49 | Kirkburn | Ciao ciao! |
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| 15:36.04 | Mikk1 | Every ~5th phone call, the DSL disconnects. |
| 15:36.08 | zenzelezz | good idea, that'll make it more stable |
| 15:36.58 | Mikk1 | It'll be interesting to see what happens when the 24Mbit upgrade arrives :s |
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| 15:37.34 | Mikk1 | For some value of Interesting, any way. |
| 15:37.57 | Kaelten | ello |
| 15:38.03 | Cairenn | hey Kaelten |
| 15:38.08 | zenzelezz | greetings |
| 15:38.22 | Cairenn | I know, I know, hang on! |
| 15:38.24 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 15:45.42 | Mikk1 | Shit. I've been away from WoW too long. |
| 15:45.55 | Mikk1 | My guildies have started a (now) multi-page forum petition to get me back in the game. |
| 15:46.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:46.38 | Tain | That's funny, I'm beginning to suspect my guildmates may have a petition to get me out. |
| 15:46.43 | Mikk1 | rofl |
| 15:47.00 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 15:50.27 | Mikk1 | OOoooooh! |
| 15:50.31 | Mikk1 | I just got a kickass idea |
| 15:50.42 | Mikk1 | WoWBench should of course pull in the lootlink database |
| 15:50.50 | Mikk1 | That'd solve so many things |
| 15:50.58 | Cairenn | why lootlink? |
| 15:51.03 | Mikk1 | Or whatever |
| 15:51.06 | Cairenn | why not one of the other databases |
| 15:51.09 | Cairenn | :p |
| 15:51.16 | Mikk1 | Preferably, it'd handle all of them |
| 15:51.23 | Mikk1 | Only problem is, I don't run ANY database addons. |
| 15:51.34 | Mikk1 | Don't suppose I could get peeps to send me a couple different kinds? =) |
| 15:51.36 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/716630 |
| 15:51.58 | Cide | any ideas of why that happens to me sometimes (FrameXML.log)? |
| 15:52.12 | Cide | I reloaded and my UI reverted to default, with that in my log |
| 15:52.59 | Cairenn | Lootlink, KC_Items, Elkano's ItemDB |
| 15:53.19 | Mikk1 | I suppose I might find some databases via google |
| 15:53.22 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4040 , http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4418 |
| 15:53.23 | Tain | Does Auctioneer keep its own? |
| 15:53.29 | Cairenn | think so |
| 15:53.41 | Cide | and now my savedvariables and all settings reverted to default |
| 15:53.47 | Cide | this is maybe the 10th time it has happened... damnit |
| 15:53.48 | Mikk1 | Er. Yay. |
| 15:57.24 | Kirkburn | Stop breakign your computer, Cide |
| 15:57.33 | Cide | it's not funny :( |
| 15:57.52 | Cide | it takes like an hour to set it up again |
| 15:58.11 | Kirkburn | Whyt would it wipe your SV though? For all mods, or just cT? |
| 15:58.16 | Cide | every single mod |
| 15:58.39 | Kirkburn | Freeky |
| 15:59.28 | Miravlix | Hmm, the saver can kill one file at a time |
| 15:59.35 | Miravlix | But all files is just weird. |
| 15:59.51 | Cide | what happens is that I reload, and my UI reverts to default |
| 16:00.43 | Miravlix | Even failing to load tocs shouldn't erase the data these days. |
| 16:01.20 | Miravlix | But we all know the reload system has it's bugs. |
| 16:01.54 | Miravlix | Apparently it reconice the addon, but can't load the toc so it wipes <addon> saved variables |
| 16:02.05 | Cide | but why wouldn't it? |
| 16:03.03 | Miravlix | I don't think it's in lua, so nothing we can do to fix it. |
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| 16:03.50 | Miravlix | Analyzing things and I think it's behaving correctly |
| 16:03.56 | Cide | ... WHAT? |
| 16:04.00 | Miravlix | If you take a toc and remove it saved variables entry |
| 16:04.06 | Miravlix | Then it erase the savedvariables |
| 16:04.08 | Cide | I didn't do anything to the tocs |
| 16:04.09 | Cide | nothing at all |
| 16:04.11 | Cide | period |
| 16:04.13 | Cide | didn't touch a file |
| 16:04.18 | Miravlix | It's reconice the addon |
| 16:04.26 | Cide | yes, I noticed |
| 16:04.38 | Miravlix | but since it loads an empty toc (the failure load) it's correctly erasing the saved variables on exit |
| 16:04.57 | Cide | that doesn't make its behavior correct, since the toc isn't empty |
| 16:05.00 | Miravlix | Just report it to Blizzard there logic is flawed here |
| 16:05.15 | Cide | it's more than flawed logic, it's obviously a bug |
| 16:05.16 | Miravlix | It should only reconice an addon that has loaded |
| 16:05.21 | Miravlix | No |
| 16:05.25 | Cide | um, yes |
| 16:05.39 | Cide | failing to load a .toc file is a bug, it's completely accessible (or should be) |
| 16:06.26 | Miravlix | The flaw is that the savedvariables handler doesn't handle that an addons files can fail to load. |
| 16:06.30 | Miravlix | Overlooked functionality |
| 16:06.32 | Cide | if you're telling me that having a small probability to wipe all savedvariables and ALL SETTINGS, when reloading, is not a bug, then I'm going to laugh |
| 16:06.43 | Cide | or commonly referred to as a bug |
| 16:06.48 | Miravlix | Then laugh a way |
| 16:07.10 | Miravlix | It's not safe behavior, but it's perfectly correct as wow is programmed now |
| 16:07.16 | Cide | no. |
| 16:07.19 | cladhaire | ... |
| 16:08.16 | Miravlix | It took many generation of software before people fully managed safe saving operations, we just didn't reconice what was the best design. |
| 16:08.24 | Cide | what might behave correctly is that it wipes savedvariables since it can't find any savedvariables entry, but not the fact that it fails to load a perfectly accessible file |
| 16:08.35 | Cide | ok, I'm done. |
| 16:08.53 | Cide | someone convince me that this behavior is not a bug |
| 16:09.01 | cladhaire | Cide: We can't, because it is. |
| 16:09.16 | Miravlix | WoW also doesn't do safe current file operations |
| 16:09.33 | Miravlix | if you kill it while it's saving a savedvariable file the file become cut when the program ends |
| 16:09.45 | Cide | that's totally irrelevant |
| 16:09.47 | Miravlix | I don't like that behavior, but it's not a bug. |
| 16:09.50 | cladhaire | Completely irrelevant |
| 16:09.54 | cladhaire | no its not a bug |
| 16:09.55 | cladhaire | that's by design |
| 16:10.12 | cladhaire | you stop a program while its writing a file, the file stops being written. |
| 16:10.28 | Miravlix | The Blizzard coders should write to a new file and copy over when it's correctly saved |
| 16:10.36 | cladhaire | no |
| 16:10.40 | Miravlix | Thats something we have learned with time, to make it safe saving |
| 16:10.41 | cladhaire | because you can still kill it mid-write |
| 16:10.43 | cladhaire | that stops nothing. |
| 16:10.44 | Tentacled | move over, not copy over, precisely. |
| 16:10.52 | Miravlix | You can't kill a rename |
| 16:10.54 | cladhaire | it prevents corruption |
| 16:10.56 | cladhaire | but doesn't stop the problem. |
| 16:10.58 | Cide | still irrelevant |
| 16:10.59 | Miravlix | It's an atomic operation on the fiel system level |
| 16:11.05 | cladhaire | really? |
| 16:11.09 | cladhaire | *gasp* |
| 16:11.17 | cladhaire | that has nothing to do with Cide's problem. |
| 16:11.20 | Tentacled | In that case any kind of error simply prevents the NEW data to be written, while keeping old data safe. |
| 16:11.22 | cladhaire | good morning everyone. |
| 16:11.32 | cladhaire | Tentacled: Correct, it would prevent corruption |
| 16:11.39 | cladhaire | Tentacled: But that has nothing to do with this issue. |
| 16:11.39 | Cide | morning cladhaire :) |
| 16:12.05 | Miravlix | Just as it would prevent corruption of his saved data when it reconice an addon but doesn't load it's toc |
| 16:12.14 | Cide | it's not getting corrupted |
| 16:12.15 | cladhaire | no it wouldn' |
| 16:12.16 | Cide | it's getting wiped |
| 16:12.24 | cladhaire | if there is no SV entry, nothing gets written |
| 16:12.28 | cladhaire | has nothing to do with what you'r etalking about |
| 16:12.31 | Cide | which may be functioning correctly, that's not what I'm talking about |
| 16:12.40 | Tentacled | failure to load a toc = missing addon. Missing addon, for blizzard = uninstalled addon. Why preserve data for an uninstalled addon? wipe. Logical to me. |
| 16:12.41 | cladhaire | and the fact that the .toc file can NOT be loaded adn the addon still loads, is a bug |
| 16:12.41 | Cide | the fact that the addon .toc files won't even load, *is* a bug |
| 16:12.53 | Miravlix | When there is a reconiced toc and the savedvariable system gets no line from it, it doesn't save |
| 16:13.02 | cladhaire | Miravlix: Yes, we're aware. |
| 16:13.08 | Cide | Tentacled: the "failure to load a toc" part is a bug, the rest is functioning correctly. |
| 16:13.11 | Miravlix | Thats correct behavior, but highly unsafe |
| 16:13.16 | cladhaire | no its not |
| 16:13.29 | Cide | look |
| 16:13.31 | Tentacled | Cide: and that's what the whole discussion should've ended at :) |
| 16:13.31 | cladhaire | its expected behavipor as a result of a bug |
| 16:13.40 | Cide | Tentacled: yes, but Miravlix isn't grasping that |
| 16:13.44 | Tentacled | failing to load a good toc = bug. |
| 16:13.46 | Cide | it obviously is a bug |
| 16:14.01 | cladhaire | correct |
| 16:14.04 | Tentacled | behaviour after (ERRONEOUSLY) failing to load an addon is perfectly sane. |
| 16:14.04 | cladhaire | its really that simple =) |
| 16:14.12 | Cide | I'm not seeing a bug, I'm seeing the effects of a bug, indirectly |
| 16:14.25 | cladhaire | too bad you can't reproduce it |
| 16:14.37 | cladhaire | a filemon might be able to give you the info you need for slouken |
| 16:14.37 | Tentacled | well, you were seeing the bug itself, too, when you logged in and found your addon not loaded. |
| 16:14.54 | cladhaire | Tentacled: As I understand it, the addon loads |
| 16:14.59 | Cide | it always happens while coding (but then again, that's what I do when I reload 98% of the time) |
| 16:15.13 | cladhaire | lol so true |
| 16:15.14 | Cide | I usually change something in a file, UI reverts |
| 16:15.22 | Cide | I exit out, log back on |
| 16:15.33 | Cide | addons load, everything reverted, with the addon I'm modifying erroring |
| 16:15.42 | Cide | so it might have something to do with lua errors, but that doesn't make sense at all |
| 16:21.21 | Cide | hm |
| 16:21.30 | Cide | it seems to happen every time now |
| 16:21.40 | Cide | if I exit the game, it'll get fixed |
| 16:21.55 | Cide | logout -> login -> reload will cause it to happen right now, I believe |
| 16:24.09 | Cide | cladhaire: filemon you say? any special settings I should use? |
| 16:25.56 | cladhaire | I'd say just the defaults. |
| 16:26.02 | cladhaire | but it would at least tell you what files it accesseds |
| 16:26.05 | cladhaire | to see if there are odd patterns there |
| 16:26.09 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 16:26.27 | Cide | hm, interesting |
| 16:26.29 | krka | cladhaire, what did you use faiap for? |
| 16:26.34 | Cide | it only accessed auctioneer.lua |
| 16:26.52 | Cide | err, wait a minute |
| 16:26.59 | Cide | need to try again |
| 16:27.40 | cladhaire | krka: Clique |
| 16:27.52 | krka | link? |
| 16:27.53 | cladhaire | allows arbitrary lua click-casting |
| 16:27.59 | cladhaire | its pre-beta at the moment |
| 16:28.06 | cladhaire | you can check it off the svn if you'd like |
| 16:28.16 | krka | sounds cool |
| 16:28.21 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/root/branches/Clique/Unstable/Clique |
| 16:28.45 | krka | faiap as embedded lib? |
| 16:28.49 | cladhaire | aye |
| 16:28.55 | cladhaire | its huge =) but fun |
| 16:29.37 | krka | huge stuff is too hard to complete :( |
| 16:29.48 | cladhaire | nah, i mean faiap =) |
| 16:30.00 | cladhaire | clique is pretty small |
| 16:30.06 | cladhaire | so faiap made it a little bigger =) |
| 16:30.37 | Cide | yep. |
| 16:30.44 | Cide | it *only* saved auctioneer data |
| 16:30.54 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 16:31.05 | krka | merely 12 lines :P |
| 16:31.07 | krka | err |
| 16:31.09 | krka | 1200 lines |
| 16:31.53 | Cide | 309426 times, I might add |
| 16:32.09 | Cide | that's the only lua file it accessed during reloading |
| 16:32.32 | zenzelezz | times? Or items? |
| 16:32.49 | Cide | nah, it did 309426 write requests |
| 16:33.01 | zenzelezz | sounds like a lot |
| 16:33.33 | krka | can't access Clique :/ |
| 16:34.06 | Cide | still happens after disabling auctioneer :( |
| 16:34.36 | cladhaire | krka: hrm.. lemme check the url |
| 16:34.44 | krka | Firefox can't find the server at svn.wowace.com. |
| 16:34.53 | cladhaire | Odd.. maybe the dns is having issues |
| 16:34.55 | cladhaire | lemme zip it up for you |
| 16:34.59 | krka | probably my fault yeah |
| 16:35.17 | krka | i just noticed that other sites respond similarly |
| 16:35.23 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 16:35.31 | cladhaire | so even if i put it up somewhere, you won't be able to get it? |
| 16:35.42 | cladhaire | do you have an svn client either way or do you want me to just zip it up for you |
| 16:35.53 | Cide | hm.. |
| 16:36.29 | Cide | quite a few .toc files have a QUERY INFORMATION request that returned BUFFER OVERFLOW |
| 16:37.17 | Cide | specifically, all the addons I use that *DO NOT* show up as "Loading add-on <ModName> \n Couldn't open ...<ModName>.toc' in framexml.log |
| 16:37.49 | krka | i do have an svn client |
| 16:38.02 | cladhaire | krka: Oh okay.. |
| 16:38.18 | cladhaire | right now it only integrates with the defaault blizzard frames (player,party,target) and not on everything |
| 16:38.33 | Cide | IEF, StopTheSpam, Ace, Catalyst, Confab, CT_(AllBags, MasterMod, BagMod) all returned BUFFER OVERFLOW for QUERY INFORMATION on their .toc file, whereas all the other addons weren't even accessed during reload, and they all showed up in framexml.llog as "Couldn't open ...<ModName>.toc" |
| 16:38.34 | cladhaire | doesn't have much in-game help, but open the spellbook and you'll see an extra tab |
| 16:38.38 | krka | exactly how is faiap used? |
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| 16:38.55 | krka | user configurable with code? |
| 16:39.11 | cladhaire | say you have a small script that does something |
| 16:39.19 | cladhaire | you can bind it to any click on any of the frames |
| 16:39.27 | cladhaire | there's an lua editor for that purpose |
| 16:39.42 | cladhaire | if you open the clique tab.. then click "new" you should see the editor |
| 16:39.46 | cladhaire | rthat's for making custom code |
| 16:39.56 | cladhaire | you can click on any spell in your spellbook to bind that as well |
| 16:40.53 | krka | i see |
| 16:41.01 | cladhaire | it'll be easier when i have in game help |
| 16:41.15 | cladhaire | but the code is more important |
| 16:44.55 | Tarog | morning peeps |
| 16:45.11 | Cairenn | morning Tarog |
| 16:52.21 | Josh_Borke | morning |
| 16:52.29 | Josh_Borke | ( cladhaire ): clique sounds pretty nifty |
| 16:53.43 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: It will be when its finished.. still working out some of the nitty gritty details, but the gui is done.. just need to make it work with some of the more popular unit frames now. |
| 16:54.50 | cladhaire | i may just use a similar system to AceHeal with the seperate files |
| 16:54.55 | cladhaire | will make integration a little easier. |
| 16:55.52 | Josh_Borke | i recommend separate files :D just because i think it makes it easier for people to submit new unit frames |
| 16:56.07 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 16:56.11 | cladhaire | thats wgat it will be |
| 16:56.16 | cladhaire | just have to work out the registration system |
| 16:56.35 | Josh_Borke | hehe, someone should write a registration system stub ;-) |
| 16:58.29 | Josh_Borke | though, i suppose that is much more addon specific :_/ |
| 16:58.50 | Tain | But I don't cast spells on anyone. :( |
| 17:00.37 | Josh_Borke | then don't use clique? |
| 17:00.42 | Cide | cladhaire: thanks for the help, btw |
| 17:00.49 | Cide | I sent slouken my filemon log |
| 17:08.37 | cladhaire | Cide: Hopefully it gets us somewhere |
| 17:08.43 | cladhaire | Cide: Glad it got you some good information =) |
| 17:08.54 | Cide | yep, hopefully |
| 17:08.59 | Cide | it's still happening so I can't reload |
| 17:09.13 | cladhaire | Tain: It has nothing to do with casting spells ON anyone =) |
| 17:09.22 | cladhaire | just lets you bind arbitrary LUA to mouse clicks on frames =) |
| 17:09.41 | cladhaire | hunters can change aspects by clicking any unit frame, rogues can stealth, vanish, etc. Shaman can drop totems, etc. |
| 17:09.41 | cladhaire | =) |
| 17:10.26 | Josh_Borke | paladins can bubble+hearth? :D |
| 17:10.39 | Tain | But but mmmm hmm Vanish... would that be useful. |
| 17:11.06 | cladhaire | yep.. druids can Feral Faerie Fire, Maul, Charge =) |
| 17:11.23 | cladhaire | Clique: This aint yo mama's click-casting |
| 17:12.16 | Tain | Ehn you should force druids to only be able to cast heals. |
| 17:12.30 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:13.08 | cladhaire | eff u |
| 17:13.12 | Tain | :D |
| 17:13.33 | cladhaire | i need to roll my shaman tho |
| 17:13.37 | Tain | Maybe do some logic. If druid is part of a raid then force heals = yes |
| 17:13.38 | cladhaire | my paladin will be draenai |
| 17:13.48 | cladhaire | then i'll have one of each healing class |
| 17:14.04 | Tain | I'm swearing off healing classes for life. |
| 17:14.10 | Tain | Unless it's one that can only heal myself. |
| 17:15.10 | Josh_Borke | ( Tain ): wise choice |
| 17:15.43 | cladhaire | paladins only know how to heal themselves |
| 17:15.47 | cladhaire | so that's pretty straightforward |
| 17:16.01 | Josh_Borke | =P cladhaire |
| 17:16.40 | Tain | Hah! You can't trick me! |
| 17:16.45 | Tain | I know Paladins can heal other people! |
| 17:17.03 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 17:17.07 | cladhaire | i've never met one that could |
| 17:17.22 | Cairenn | Mikk1: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ/AddOns |
| 17:17.24 | cladhaire | ours all have palaydin DPS |
| 17:17.55 | Josh_Borke | i topped healing in my last MC run :_P |
| 17:18.04 | Josh_Borke | and a n00badin topped healing in BWL last night |
| 17:18.41 | cladhaire | crit-a-din for the win |
| 17:18.44 | cladhaire | druids > tank-a-din |
| 17:18.51 | Tain | See I think everyone should be able to play whatever class they want however they want. But! When it comes to 40 man raids there are certain things that are simply needed. |
| 17:19.06 | cladhaire | our guild in a nice comprimise. |
| 17:19.12 | cladhaire | druids go feral, priests go shadow. |
| 17:19.16 | cladhaire | and those who like to heal keep it up |
| 17:19.24 | cladhaire | bosses, we do what we need to do =) |
| 17:19.51 | Tain | I don't care what people spec. But they better still heal and not dps when that's what's needed. |
| 17:20.04 | Tarog | <3 Healing |
| 17:20.13 | Josh_Borke | ( cladhaire ): same in mine |
| 17:20.24 | cladhaire | i personally love to heal |
| 17:20.41 | cladhaire | even when i'm on my rogue.. i'm bandaging everyone =) |
| 17:21.18 | Tain | Eww that's just creepy. someone sneaking up behind you and putting bandaids on you when you're not looking |
| 17:21.30 | Cide | you're a horrible person, cladhaire! |
| 17:22.44 | cladhaire | Cide: *gasp* Why now? |
| 17:23.05 | cladhaire | Tain: I touch them in funny places while I'm there.. but they're typically too occupied to complain |
| 17:23.34 | cladhaire | afk, shower |
| 17:23.44 | cladhaire | then i gots to go see my pops. |
| 17:24.21 | Kirkburn | I have an exam 2moro for which I haven't revised :) |
| 17:24.24 | Miravlix | Oh, WoWWiki's clock is 2 hours off |
| 17:24.42 | Kirkburn | You sure? |
| 17:24.58 | cladhaire | has anyone here taken the GRE Computer Science exam? |
| 17:25.08 | Miravlix | Yeps |
| 17:25.08 | Kirkburn | (the best thing is, I don't care any more! I just want to go home :/ ) |
| 17:25.18 | Cide | cladhaire: Tain's right; sneaking up on people like that is horrible! |
| 17:25.40 | Tarog | WoWWiki's clock is find for me |
| 17:25.43 | Tarog | *fine |
| 17:25.43 | cladhaire | Cide: I'll make sure to apoligize. I'm ashamed of myself =/. |
| 17:25.58 | Cide | you better be! |
| 17:26.11 | cladhaire | Cide: You're a priest, correct? |
| 17:26.14 | Cide | yep |
| 17:26.19 | cladhaire | I know Gello is too |
| 17:26.23 | cladhaire | what other authors are? |
| 17:26.33 | cladhaire | I know we have a LOT of hunter authors. |
| 17:26.36 | Kirkburn | .. are we talking RV here? |
| 17:26.38 | Kirkburn | *RL |
| 17:26.39 | Josh_Borke | paladin ftl! |
| 17:26.48 | cladhaire | personally i think its because they have more time .. because hunters are ez-mode. |
| 17:27.07 | cladhaire | <-- been leveling his hunter while modding for the past month =) |
| 17:27.08 | Josh_Borke | modding in MC/BWL = efficiency |
| 17:27.10 | Miravlix | Tarog: I guess you live in a part of the world where GMT is defferent then, oh wait, it's never different. :) |
| 17:27.12 | Cide | haha |
| 17:27.19 | Cide | I mod in instances all the time |
| 17:27.26 | Tain | I started a hunter but I had to stop. |
| 17:27.38 | Tarog | just saying |
| 17:27.43 | Tain | I have Pokemon-ish obsessive compulsive collecting issues. |
| 17:27.47 | Tarog | it's possible that my settings are wrong |
| 17:27.50 | cladhaire | ok.. shower time. |
| 17:27.52 | Cide | it has gotten to the point where people go "ooh no, not cide.. cide, are you coding?" when I get into their group |
| 17:28.02 | Kirkburn | "The number of hours your local time differs from server time (UTC). ... I'm +4 apparently, in Italy |
| 17:28.25 | Kirkburn | I think you're right, Miravlix :) |
| 17:28.33 | Miravlix | I'm still trying to verify it, but loging an and issueing date is prolly the best way to know |
| 17:28.40 | Miravlix | I'm not sure if the date I read is fake |
| 17:28.50 | Josh_Borke | lol cide |
| 17:29.44 | Miravlix | Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:28:02 GMT |
| 17:30.18 | Miravlix | søn jun 18 17:30:18 UTC 2006 |
| 17:30.20 | Kirkburn | If only, I might feel like revising for my exam if I had an extra 2 hours |
| 17:30.40 | Miravlix | Seems to be 2 hours and 1 minute off |
| 17:30.52 | cladhaire | current UTC is 17.30 |
| 17:30.55 | cladhaire | http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java |
| 17:31.17 | Kirkburn | Yes OKAY! :P |
| 17:31.22 | Miravlix | Sun Jun 18 19:31:21 CEST 2006 |
| 17:31.31 | Miravlix | Date in english, localization sucks |
| 17:31.55 | Miravlix | Offcourse this time I forgot to get UTC. *rolls eyes* |
| 17:32.13 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I had *no idea* what you were talking about when you wrote "søn jun" :P |
| 17:33.16 | cladhaire | i can confirm its off by two hours for EDT |
| 17:33.29 | Miravlix | That date wasn't too bad |
| 17:33.40 | Josh_Borke | how can i get the name of the frame under the mouse? |
| 17:33.50 | Miravlix | But normaly in a # based date US and us switches the month and day |
| 17:33.54 | Miravlix | Thats quite confusing |
| 17:34.06 | Miravlix | Josh: GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 17:34.17 | Josh_Borke | thanks :-) |
| 17:34.36 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 17:34.37 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 17:34.53 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, just stick to the sensible way :P 2006 18 Sun June |
| 17:35.35 | Miravlix | Doesn't sort to well |
| 17:35.51 | Miravlix | 2006 and 18 is fine, but then you need day in a number format |
| 17:36.02 | Miravlix | and we would have 1 as Monday, vs us Sunday |
| 17:36.51 | Kirkburn | Do they still take Sunday as day 1? Crazy! :) |
| 17:37.07 | Miravlix | Why would that change? |
| 17:37.10 | Kirkburn | Not even God thought that |
| 17:39.49 | Cairenn | okay folks, have fun: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ |
| 17:40.03 | Cairenn | I'm taking a break and actually *gasp* playing for a while |
| 17:40.16 | Miravlix | Playing what? |
| 17:40.43 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:40.44 | Cairenn | WoW |
| 17:40.55 | Miravlix | Wuts that? |
| 17:41.04 | Tarog | XD |
| 17:41.05 | Cairenn | I know, incredible concept, isn't it? |
| 17:41.12 | Tarog | Cairenn hasn't been welcome! |
| 17:41.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:41.26 | Cairenn | hi Tarog ;) |
| 17:41.43 | Tarog | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Cairenn |
| 17:41.56 | Miravlix | Playing with caches is fun |
| 17:42.16 | Miravlix | http://www.ircache.net/cgi-bin/cacheability.py |
| 17:42.35 | Miravlix | That little tool is nice for checking one web site and improving the cacheability of it |
| 17:42.59 | Miravlix | that way dramtically reducing load, due to users not getting everything again and again, but just performing update checks |
| 17:45.24 | Miravlix | http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/ |
| 17:45.46 | Miravlix | How to work with browser and proxy caches. |
| 17:46.09 | Miravlix | Fx. www.cosmosui.org isn't cacheable, because our front page sets the cookie our forum use for some reason. |
| 17:48.01 | Miravlix | I think it also breaks our view post since last visit system, because if you read the front page it touches the cookies date. |
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| 17:52.39 | Miravlix | My very rough calculations shows my squid cache shortens my time waiting for pages with 1 hour pr. day, around 20 MB less data gotten from the net pr. day. |
| 17:58.17 | Kirkburn | Good? |
| 17:58.55 | Tain | wikiHow: How-to of the Day - http://www.wikihow.com/Help-a-Friend-Who-Gets-Arrested-in-the-Middle-of-the-Night |
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| 18:04.40 | Josh_Borke | hello maia :-) |
| 18:04.52 | maia | heya :) |
| 18:19.18 | Cairenn | hi maia |
| 18:20.30 | maia | heya. not used to a channel where someone greets me every 5 minutes ;) |
| 18:20.37 | Kirkburn|Shower | Awesomeness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqJwWmzX7NU&search=atari |
| 18:20.50 | Kirkburn|Shower | Oh 5 mins have passed ... Hi Maia! |
| 18:21.50 | maia | lol. actually I loved atari games back in the early 80s. |
| 18:24.03 | maia | Cide: did you ever test if UNIT_NAME_UPDATE fires for people in a raid that are UNKNOWNBEING when joining the raid? |
| 18:32.08 | krka | hi maia |
| 18:32.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:32.17 | krka | damn, longer than 5 minutes |
| 18:32.18 | maia | haha |
| 18:32.36 | maia | hi purl |
| 18:32.38 | Cairenn | hey, at least it's better than a channel where you are ignored ;) |
| 18:32.50 | maia | see, purl is ignoring me. |
| 18:33.07 | Cairenn | do it the other way round |
| 18:33.30 | maia | purl, I said hello. |
| 18:33.31 | purl | You said hello.? |
| 18:33.42 | Cairenn | purl, hi |
| 18:33.43 | purl | hello, cairenn |
| 18:34.07 | maia | well, that was an obvious reply, not much AI needed there ;) |
| 18:34.12 | zenzelezz | it's all about the comma |
| 18:34.15 | zenzelezz | hi, purl |
| 18:34.25 | zenzelezz | or not... is on other infobot =D |
| 18:34.37 | Cairenn | you have to say his name first :p |
| 18:35.07 | zenzelezz | I'm used to one that takes either "<name>, ..." or "..., <name>" |
| 18:35.24 | maia | purl, you're a bit egocentric - always your name first. tsts. |
| 18:42.55 | Cide | maia: (back) no, I didn't |
| 18:43.35 | Cide | purl, hi |
| 18:43.37 | purl | hello, cide |
| 18:46.29 | Kyahx | zomg |
| 18:46.52 | Kyahx | bah, login server borked for anyone else? |
| 18:47.11 | Kyahx | my wow seems to be enjoying a nice long handshake =( |
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| 18:51.05 | maia | Cide: so what's your solution to keeping the roster up to date? |
| 18:53.54 | Cide | I don't have a good one right now, due to the bug I outlined in that forum post |
| 18:55.35 | maia | Did you send slouken a note yet? If it's broken on the PTR, we'll need a fix before tuesday ;) |
| 18:58.25 | Kyahx | Cide: question about CTRA. Why dosent the MT and PT frames accept the CustomClick action? :P |
| 18:59.06 | Cide | dunno, I guess I forgot |
| 18:59.15 | Cide | I'll look into it when I recode that part |
| 18:59.25 | Kyahx | People were bugging me to put it in AceHeal, but it'd be better to do on your end IMO |
| 19:01.54 | Cide | yeah, I will when I get to that part of my rewrite |
| 19:02.05 | Cide | it'll be a while though |
| 19:04.04 | krka | Kyahx you did aceheal? |
| 19:04.18 | Kyahx | No, but im maintaining it now |
| 19:04.25 | krka | ah |
| 19:04.35 | krka | good work anyway, i just found it today and liking it |
| 19:04.41 | Kyahx | Hows the GUI working? :P |
| 19:04.58 | Kyahx | wait, you got it off of WoWInterface, I assume? |
| 19:05.03 | krka | no, the svn |
| 19:05.09 | Kyahx | ah, hows the GUI working? :P |
| 19:05.11 | Kyahx | hehe |
| 19:05.13 | krka | dont have a gui afaik |
| 19:05.25 | Kyahx | you should have a minimap button |
| 19:05.29 | Kyahx | for assigning spells and the like |
| 19:05.36 | krka | afraid not |
| 19:05.40 | Kyahx | hmmm |
| 19:06.12 | Kyahx | did you SVN client not download the externals? |
| 19:06.18 | krka | hm |
| 19:06.39 | krka | yup it did |
| 19:06.53 | krka | Hämtar externt objekt till "AceHeal/FuBarPlugin" |
| 19:06.58 | Kyahx | odd |
| 19:07.01 | krka | Hämtar externt objekt till "AceHeal/DewdropLib" |
| 19:07.04 | krka | et.c. |
| 19:07.20 | Kyahx | you *should* have a minimap button then for assigning spells, not have to use command lines |
| 19:07.27 | krka | hmm... they are probably in the wrong dir thoug |
| 19:07.39 | krka | ah no |
| 19:07.48 | Kyahx | they should be in the AceHeal folder, hmm. You use FuBar? |
| 19:07.56 | krka | yes |
| 19:08.14 | krka | i do get a fubar error when i start now :) |
| 19:08.18 | krka | probably too old fubar |
| 19:08.24 | Kyahx | hmmm, could be |
| 19:08.45 | Kyahx | if you launch wow with FuBar disabled it *should* make a minimap button and be stand alone |
| 19:09.07 | krka | ah |
| 19:10.37 | Kyahx | might have to update your FuBar =/ I can only imagine thats what is causeing it |
| 19:11.04 | krka | yeah |
| 19:13.16 | krka | trying again then |
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| 19:17.24 | krka | my GOD fubar - complete bloated my screen :) |
| 19:18.27 | Kyahx | heh |
| 19:20.38 | krka | crap, how do i restore this |
| 19:21.02 | Kyahx | what happened? |
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| 19:27.28 | Cide | http://www.extrude.se/speldemo/tigerstuds/spel.html ... pretty hilarious game :P don't bother about the instructions if you can't read swedish, the game is fairly self explanitory |
| 19:27.44 | Cide | you have 3 lives |
| 19:32.57 | Tain | Damn got to 56 and then lost one. |
| 19:33.33 | krka | hm, the fubar aceheal config is confusing |
| 19:33.59 | Kirkburn|Shower | 61! |
| 19:35.56 | krka | seems to be the only config |
| 19:36.11 | Kirkburn|Shower | 107 ... mouse got stuck :( |
| 19:36.36 | zenzelezz | I don't even want to think about what you're counting in the shower |
| 19:37.57 | Cide | Tain: 3 lives! |
| 19:39.36 | Kirkburn | I want to know your high score, Cide |
| 19:39.51 | Cide | 216 |
| 19:41.17 | Kyahx | krka: What are you expecting it to do? |
| 19:41.30 | chuckg | Cide, you mentioned yesterday that if I group up stuff in parens in an if it won't execute unless the beginning part of the statement is true. |
| 19:41.45 | chuckg | Will that work with just a single: if (true and (true)) |
| 19:41.46 | chuckg | ? |
| 19:41.46 | Cide | yes |
| 19:41.53 | Cide | it works with "and" |
| 19:41.59 | krka | i want to associate different clicks with different healtypes |
| 19:42.16 | chuckg | Is there any difference between that and: if ( true and true ) |
| 19:42.16 | chuckg | ? |
| 19:42.47 | Cide | a and b.. returns b if a evaluates to true, otherwise it returns a |
| 19:42.47 | krka | no |
| 19:44.30 | krka | you can think of and as a function defined like this: function operator_and(expression1, expression2) local x = eval(expression1) if x then return x else return eval(expression2) end end |
| 19:44.34 | Mikk1 | if(true or whatever) should also lead to "whatever" never executing if Lua follows the rules of all other languages. Haven't verified it myself though. |
| 19:44.56 | krka | yes, that's correct |
| 19:45.04 | Kirkburn | 216! ... wow |
| 19:46.13 | Kyahx | krka: Just go into assign -> button -> and set the action to be "Heal" or whatnot. Thats the best way I could think of a config GUI for it =/ |
| 19:46.14 | Mikk1 | chuckg: Basically, the parser gives up when there's no point in parsing any more. I.e. "true or" -> doesn't matter what's after it, the result is true. "false and" -> doesn't matter what's after it, the result will be false. |
| 19:46.15 | Cide | krka: wouldn't it be... function operator_and(expression1, expression2) local x = eval(expression1) if x then return eval(expression2) else return x end end |
| 19:46.31 | chuckg | K. |
| 19:46.58 | Mikk1 | Cide is right |
| 19:47.04 | krka | ah sorry, i did "or" i think |
| 19:47.12 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:48.17 | chuckg | Struggling with not hooking the invite function and just parsing out the system event messages. |
| 19:48.20 | Mikk1 | And it isn't just in if cases. You can equally do "x = somefunc() or os.exit()" |
| 19:48.28 | chuckg | But I think I'm going to have to in order to appropriately handle it. |
| 19:48.54 | Mikk1 | You will have to hook if you don't want the standard invite funcitonlaity to run |
| 19:49.06 | Mikk1 | (i.e. plop up the dialog) |
| 19:49.23 | Cide | did you beat 216 yet?! |
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| 19:50.10 | Mikk1 | Superman's arch enemy! |
| 19:50.16 | Mikk1 | No wait, that's mxyzptlk |
| 19:50.21 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I'm getting slowdown on that damn game |
| 19:54.27 | Kirkburn | :( 153 ... killed by accidently pausing it |
| 19:54.40 | Tarog | Mikk1: How is if((self[0].virtual or "false")=="true") different from if(self[0].virtual == "true") |
| 19:54.52 | Miravlix | Supermans arch enemy is Lex Luthor |
| 19:55.08 | Tarog | oh |
| 19:55.09 | Tarog | nevermind |
| 19:55.12 | Miravlix | God if your going to quite comics atleast don't isnult the comic books greatest vilian of all time. |
| 19:55.13 | Tarog | forget I said anything |
| 19:55.23 | krka | heh ok |
| 19:55.54 | krka | only differs when virtual is nil |
| 19:55.59 | Tarog | yeah |
| 19:56.03 | krka | one crashes, the other doesn't |
| 19:56.12 | krka | hmm... actually, no |
| 19:56.18 | krka | it should work fine |
| 20:01.06 | Mikk1 | You're absolutely right |
| 20:01.11 | Mikk1 | if(asdfasdf == "true") then print "yay"; end -> no crash |
| 20:01.42 | Mikk1 | I guess I just kept in the habit of doing it that way from doing if((asdfasdf or "false") == "false") a couple of times |
| 20:02.57 | Mikk1 | Miravlix: Apologies =) |
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| 20:09.29 | Tarog | I guess it's not a bad habit to have |
| 20:15.25 | KarlKFI | :) Killing Blow Announcer is fun |
| 20:15.47 | KarlKFI | so are the UT sounds |
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| 21:03.12 | Cairenn | out for Father's Day dinner with my Dad |
| 21:03.49 | Mikk1 | Humm... when does linux2.4 uptime wrap? |
| 21:04.29 | Mikk1 | My box claims to have an uptime of 58 days, but I have a screen session that's been alive for 472 days |
| 21:05.39 | zenzelezz | "NOTE: The Linux kernel (at least up to 2.4.2) has a flaw: It computes the result of the "uptime" based on the internal "jiffies" counter, which counts the time since boot, in units of 10 milliseconds. |
| 21:05.39 | zenzelezz | This is typecast as an "unsigned long" - on the Intel boxes, that's an unsigned 32-bit number. |
| 21:05.39 | zenzelezz | Well, it turns out that in a 32-bit number, you can store 497.1 days before the number wraps. So all the numbers higher than this on this list are because:" |
| 21:05.52 | zenzelezz | grumble @ multi-line paste |
| 21:05.54 | Mikk1 | ah. thanks =) |
| 21:07.25 | Mikk1 | One of the few countries where UPS leads to _worse_ stability =P |
| 21:07.47 | krka | wtf still runs 2.4? :/ |
| 21:07.55 | Mikk1 | Someone with 500+ days of uptime =) |
| 21:08.03 | krka | uptime FTL |
| 21:08.09 | krka | big uptime just means old kernel |
| 21:08.31 | Mikk1 | My hard drive has gone bonkers. Been meaning to transfer to a new hard drive and swap. But I don't dare to reboot until I do. |
| 21:08.35 | Mikk1 | It's been this way for a while =) |
| 21:09.18 | krka | i reboot ever so often just because i'm scared of what will happen when i finally do if i haven't for a very long time |
| 21:09.23 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 21:09.31 | krka | better to find the small problems early than get a shitload of problems all at once |
| 21:09.34 | Mikk1 | s/hard drive/user drive/ |
| 21:09.41 | Tain | haha yeah krka I hear you |
| 21:09.51 | Tain | When you have to reboot and something goes wrong that's not when you want to be troubleshooting. |
| 21:10.20 | KarlKFI | so, anyone know of a pally buff manager addon that's as pretty as PallyPower with the actual power of buffbot's configurability only easy to use gui options? |
| 21:11.01 | KarlKFI | everything i can find either has a million /command options or a pretty gui, but not both |
| 21:11.06 | Mikk1 | The one I've been meaning to write for the past six months >.< |
| 21:11.24 | KarlKFI | yeah, i should just steal a gui and apply it to buffbot |
| 21:12.06 | Mikk1 | My idea of the ultimate buff manager has no real UI to speak of. |
| 21:12.19 | KarlKFI | yeah, that's not my ideal |
| 21:12.32 | KarlKFI | i need something that i can configure with my mouse |
| 21:12.34 | Mikk1 | It just records what you cast (class as well as single buffs), and alerts you when buffs are about to expire (or have gone away because of death) |
| 21:12.40 | KarlKFI | dropdown menus ftw |
| 21:12.52 | Mikk1 | Would also show as small bars of course |
| 21:13.06 | KarlKFI | My ideal is a bit more involved |
| 21:13.09 | Mikk1 | And would understand single buffs getting overwritten by class buffs |
| 21:13.23 | Mikk1 | And would suggest single buffs for newly-resurrected people |
| 21:13.30 | KarlKFI | right |
| 21:13.55 | Mikk1 | Having class buffs show as bars would allow you to rotate buffing also |
| 21:13.57 | KarlKFI | and have templates that are saved that i can switch back and forth |
| 21:14.13 | Mikk1 | Oh and of course it'd auto-target class buffs at whatever member of that class that happens to be in range |
| 21:14.26 | KarlKFI | buffbot does that |
| 21:14.37 | KarlKFI | limited instance support |
| 21:14.42 | KarlKFI | but it could be fixed |
| 21:15.06 | KarlKFI | would have to track the spell in the spellbook index for range checks |
| 21:15.13 | KarlKFI | could use SeaSpellbook for that |
| 21:15.41 | KarlKFI | since it auto-caches the id when it changes by name :) |
| 21:16.21 | KarlKFI | but imo the UIErrorMessages that buffbot has are only somewhat helpful |
| 21:17.08 | KarlKFI | they spam too many to read easily and after they fade you have no idea who needs what. be nice if there was a gui queue you could see maybe toggle visibility with a hotkey |
| 21:17.23 | KarlKFI | but not huge |
| 21:18.00 | KarlKFI | and definitely needs a gui for configuration, a mix between PallyPower and DivineBlessing |
| 21:19.19 | KarlKFI | or maybe... this would only really work on the default ui, but a dropdown menu on the party and raid frames for sellectign a buff, maybe an icon near them too to show that they need a new buff |
| 21:19.20 | chuckg | Is anyone aware of a way to check if someone is already grouped besides inviting them and catching the system message/ |
| 21:19.43 | KarlKFI | can check grp of friends i think |
| 21:19.57 | KarlKFI | would have to invite, check and remove tho |
| 21:20.12 | KarlKFI | and make sure the list always has a spot |
| 21:20.27 | chuckg | Seems like such an easy problem I'm having, but the more I think about it the more annoying it gets. |
| 21:20.45 | chuckg | A function that knows if someone is grouped would make it all go away. |
| 21:20.48 | KarlKFI | don't be surprized, getting info about other people has always been a pain |
| 21:21.10 | KarlKFI | who parsing is bad enough, but usually the easiest |
| 21:21.50 | Kirkburn | KarlKFI, I would suggest Paladin Assistant / Panza |
| 21:22.25 | KarlKFI | meh, i didn't like pallyassistant |
| 21:22.28 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 21:22.52 | KarlKFI | i just need buffs handled |
| 21:23.12 | KarlKFI | and it doesn't have most of those features i said above |
| 21:24.09 | Kirkburn | What features are they - I can't actually parse the above text :) |
| 21:25.04 | KarlKFI | i don't need healing, i dont need de-ranking, i dont need mana conserve, it doesn't have templates, the option page is huge, it's pet management is meh... |
| 21:25.21 | Kirkburn | Strangely, that't not what I asked |
| 21:25.35 | Kirkburn | Ah wait, you did say two things :P |
| 21:25.40 | KarlKFI | it doesn't have a live gui |
| 21:26.21 | KarlKFI | i didn't try it enough to know if the range works weel |
| 21:26.24 | Kirkburn | Have you checked out the Panza beta? It's a big *big* leap over the current release version |
| 21:26.38 | KarlKFI | never heard of panza |
| 21:26.55 | Kirkburn | It's the upcoming new name for Paladin Assistant :) |
| 21:27.04 | Kirkburn | Reason being it's no longer Paladin specific |
| 21:27.55 | KarlKFI | oic, no I haven't tried it. But in my experience the features become more diluted when you broaden, esp since the pally blessigns are so different from any other class buffs |
| 21:28.26 | KarlKFI | same thing happened to buffbot |
| 21:28.31 | KarlKFI | made it slower |
| 21:28.45 | Tain | The dangers of the World of Warcraft: http://accordionguy.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/6/16/2036495.html |
| 21:29.30 | Kirkburn | Not sure how it works, but it's a multi-dev project and it's very very active, so I wouldn't worry about it getting diluted |
| 21:30.05 | KarlKFI | Well, it still doesn't have the features i think i want, but maybe i can pitch it to them |
| 21:30.36 | KarlKFI | does it do buff scans to see who needs them like buffbot or is it jsut on timers and deaths? |
| 21:30.41 | Kirkburn | V good idea :) I do suggest checking out the beta. I used it on my pally when I still played WoW |
| 21:31.05 | Kirkburn | Last time (quite a while ago) it was on timers and deaths. It may have changed since then |
| 21:31.22 | Kirkburn | Last time I played Myana, I mean |
| 21:31.28 | KarlKFI | yeah, now that you can scan jsut friendly castable buffs it's a TON more efficient |
| 21:31.39 | KarlKFI | and very viable |
| 21:31.49 | KarlKFI | doesn't lag for a second every time you click it |
| 21:32.14 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:32.25 | KarlKFI | i modifed buffbot to do so |
| 21:32.45 | KarlKFI | but it's lack of gui and maintainer for improvements is gnawing at me |
| 21:33.35 | KarlKFI | oh, does anyone wanna check my latest addon? i dont have wow here, but i coded it up last night, lets you copy/selelct from the chat frames |
| 21:47.57 | Miravlix | Karl: Nice one |
| 21:48.09 | Miravlix | But Not wowing at the moment, can't test |
| 21:49.10 | KarlKFI | yeah, finally figured out a good way to do it.... been in the plans forever |
| 21:49.46 | KarlKFI | and i tried out another addon for copying chat text and it was a pain in the ass to use |
| 21:50.07 | KarlKFI | oh yeah, need to add scrolling.. |
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| 21:53.42 | KarlKFI | there we go |
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| 22:05.30 | ckknight | anyone know how to tell if either PLAYER_LOGIN or PEW has fired yet? I need to know without registering any events |
| 22:06.09 | KarlKFI | no good way unless you dep an addont hat does it |
| 22:06.18 | KarlKFI | why cant you reg events? |
| 22:06.27 | ckknight | it's LOD |
| 22:06.47 | ckknight | theoretically |
| 22:06.57 | KarlKFI | when does it load? |
| 22:06.57 | ckknight | so it may have loaded after PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 22:07.11 | ckknight | but not necessarily |
| 22:08.11 | ckknight | referring to http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process , it says "Most information about the game world should now be available to the UI" |
| 22:08.26 | KarlKFI | what do you need avail? |
| 22:08.31 | ckknight | does anyone know what information is available after and what information is not available before? |
| 22:08.47 | ckknight | KarlKFI, I just need to know whether or not it fired already |
| 22:09.02 | ckknight | without a dependency |
| 22:09.07 | KarlKFI | i dont have a list memorized but if you want to know a specific i migiht know |
| 22:09.25 | ckknight | anything'll help |
| 22:09.34 | KarlKFI | what do you need? |
| 22:09.47 | ckknight | to know if it fired. |
| 22:10.05 | KarlKFI | why? |
| 22:10.16 | ckknight | because it's part of an addon framework |
| 22:10.22 | KarlKFI | for what? |
| 22:10.26 | ckknight | ace2 |
| 22:10.38 | ckknight | if it's before PLAYER_LOGIN, it registers OnEnable with that |
| 22:10.42 | ckknight | if it's after, it just fires |
| 22:11.08 | ckknight | I'm working in an ADDON_LOADED event |
| 22:11.48 | ckknight | so what information, in a normal context is not available between ADDON_LOADED and PLAYER_LOGIN/PEW, but is available after? |
| 22:13.03 | maia | player name |
| 22:13.12 | KarlKFI | not anymore |
| 22:13.17 | KarlKFI | that's avail onload |
| 22:13.24 | maia | in 1.11? hm. |
| 22:13.27 | KarlKFI | in 1.9 |
| 22:13.45 | KarlKFI | UnitName('player') works onload |
| 22:14.05 | maia | MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED fires after PEW, is there anything you could check related to that? |
| 22:14.26 | KarlKFI | so do the channel color functions |
| 22:15.00 | KarlKFI | you can check if vars have been loaded |
| 22:15.10 | maia | KarlKFI: I doubt it, as it frequently happenes in 1.10 that RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE or PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED fire before PEW - and in that case UnitName("player") is UNKNOWNBEING |
| 22:15.25 | KarlKFI | that's not the same bug |
| 22:15.31 | KarlKFI | that's lag |
| 22:15.49 | KarlKFI | if you don't believe me try it. |
| 22:16.42 | KarlKFI | ckknight, you can check if vars have loaded |
| 22:16.43 | maia | actually I did lots of test regarding to event order on login/reloadui, and the above is what can happen in 1.10 |
| 22:17.08 | KarlKFI | they will have loaded in a LOD addon, but wont have otherwise |
| 22:17.38 | maia | RRU/PMC firing before PEW is a bug that has been fixed in 1.11, but there is a 15% chance that they do fire before in 1.10 |
| 22:17.45 | maia | *not* in LOD addons |
| 22:18.37 | KarlKFI | ok, that partial sentance is of no use without a referance |
| 22:19.23 | maia | hm? |
| 22:19.24 | KarlKFI | in LOD addons the ADDON_LOADED fired after the variables have been read in |
| 22:19.46 | KarlKFI | in non-LOD addons the variables don't go live until VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 22:20.57 | KarlKFI | and I'm 99% sure UnitName('player') works onload regardless of those events you are talking about, but i don't have wow here so i can't test it |
| 22:22.19 | KarlKFI | But I've had UnitName('player') fail indefinitely before. It is prone to sporatic failure, especially if the system lags when you're recieving that info from the server when loading |
| 22:23.08 | KarlKFI | that information SHOULD be cached client side after loading, I don't think it asks the server at all after that |
| 22:24.10 | maia | hm. well, e.g. what definetly isn't available is UnitName("raid2") if you're in a 2man raid (aka you're raid2 yourself) |
| 22:24.20 | KarlKFI | correct |
| 22:24.28 | KarlKFI | only works for 'player' onload |
| 22:24.48 | KarlKFI | all the other unit types i would wait till PEW |
| 22:25.01 | maia | so thats a possibility for ckknight - at least as long as the player is grouped ;) |
| 22:25.27 | KarlKFI | would be easier to check a saved var |
| 22:26.12 | KarlKFI | make a global var false in the code onload, then set it to true after loading. If it's true then vars have loaded |
| 22:27.36 | KarlKFI | but you'll have to register VARIABLES_LOADED and PEW anyway just incase they use an addon manager to force LOD before SV |
| 22:28.13 | KarlKFI | in which case the variables wont have loaded yet, even tho it was LOD |
| 22:29.05 | Cide | heh, UnitName("raid2") in a 2man raid isn't available at PEW sometimes |
| 22:29.21 | KarlKFI | orly? |
| 22:29.34 | Cide | yes |
| 22:29.49 | KarlKFI | mmk, you woul dknow |
| 22:29.55 | Cide | at PEW, a lot of units return either nil, UNKNOWN or UNKNOWNBEING (forgot which and when) |
| 22:30.20 | Cide | that, along with missing RRU events, is a bitch to workaround |
| 22:30.37 | KarlKFI | fun fun |
| 22:30.44 | KarlKFI | timers ftl |
| 22:30.56 | Cide | indeed, I'd hate to use a timer |
| 22:31.37 | KarlKFI | well you could use Chronos.afterInit that's worked every time i've tried |
| 22:31.44 | KarlKFI | course, that's a timer |
| 22:32.01 | Cide | I'd much rather see blizzard fixing the bug :) |
| 22:32.15 | KarlKFI | dont hold your breath |
| 22:32.45 | KarlKFI | cide wants to try ChatEdit doesn't he? |
| 22:33.03 | Cide | no, I can't exit the game or reload |
| 22:33.09 | KarlKFI | lol, why not? |
| 22:33.16 | Cide | wipes all my addon settings |
| 22:33.27 | KarlKFI | O.o write access? |
| 22:33.28 | Cide | found a nice little bug |
| 22:33.39 | Cide | no, they're fine |
| 22:33.52 | Cide | game doesn't like my files for some reason though |
| 22:34.15 | KarlKFI | corrpt file error? |
| 22:34.32 | KarlKFI | same bug as SocialMods i bet |
| 22:34.37 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/716630 |
| 22:34.40 | Cide | my framexml.log |
| 22:35.00 | KarlKFI | lol, failure |
| 22:35.14 | KarlKFI | not the same bug then |
| 22:35.27 | KarlKFI | if it cant load those how do you get addons at all? |
| 22:35.56 | Cide | it works fine when logging in |
| 22:36.06 | Cide | if I reload, that happens |
| 22:36.21 | Cide | if I exit the game and go back in, addons load fine again, but with settings reverted to vanilla |
| 22:36.56 | KarlKFI | i assue they only reverted to vanilla cause you reloaded |
| 22:37.01 | Cide | what do you mean? |
| 22:37.30 | KarlKFI | if you reloaded and toc's couldn't be read then it doesn't store any SV |
| 22:37.36 | Cide | yeah, exactly |
| 22:37.44 | KarlKFI | but if you just logged in and logged out they should be saved |
| 22:38.00 | Cide | didn't seem that way when I tried |
| 22:38.17 | ckknight | I cannot have a dependency to check, so that's out |
| 22:38.32 | KarlKFI | ck, i gave you a way |
| 22:39.14 | ckknight | which way? I may have missed it |
| 22:39.27 | KarlKFI | cide: if you last logged in and haven't reloaded then if you reload now and then copy your saved variables files they should be fine |
| 22:39.49 | KarlKFI | then you can log out, replace the SV files with the copies and log back in |
| 22:40.01 | Cide | seems like a fun thing to do every time... |
| 22:40.41 | ckknight | KarlKFI, I don't really want to mandate an SV |
| 22:40.53 | KarlKFI | i didn't say it was fun, I'm sure there's a perminent solution, most likely involving changed permisions after logging in |
| 22:41.06 | KarlKFI | it's 1 variable ck |
| 22:41.15 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:41.15 | KarlKFI | you don't want to or you can't? |
| 22:41.20 | ckknight | I can't |
| 22:41.33 | KarlKFI | then find a blizzard SV |
| 22:41.39 | ckknight | may have to |
| 22:42.08 | maia | well, one possible workaround is to use MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED, which reliably fires after PEW once all information is available - in case that event changes something we can check without registering the event itself. |
| 22:42.35 | KarlKFI | that's as bad as finding a blizz SV tho |
| 22:42.52 | KarlKFI | ace doesn't have any SV at all ck? |
| 22:43.14 | maia | well, at least MS_C is a reliable event (other than e.g. PEW ) |
| 22:43.28 | KarlKFI | if you say so |
| 22:44.08 | KarlKFI | cide: you might try checking your permissions before and after logging in and before and after reloadui, taking note of owner and group |
| 22:44.11 | ckknight | no, KarlKFI, not Ace2 |
| 22:44.34 | Cide | KarlKFI: it happened from one reload to another |
| 22:44.36 | Cide | didn't change a thing |
| 22:44.41 | Cide | reload -> fine -> reload -> #%#"(%#"( |
| 22:44.46 | KarlKFI | oic |
| 22:45.03 | KarlKFI | is it repeatable? |
| 22:45.34 | Cide | it is right now |
| 22:45.36 | Cide | normally it isn't |
| 22:45.40 | KarlKFI | or maybe you had some background process runnign that was scannign them.. |
| 22:45.47 | Cide | has happened to me like 5 times within the last ~5 months |
| 22:45.54 | Cide | I did some research thanks to cladhaire |
| 22:46.00 | Cide | WoW tries to access the .toc files |
| 22:46.16 | KarlKFI | right.. |
| 22:46.33 | Cide | it accesses a few, all of which do a READ request (success), QUERY INFORMATION (success), QUERY INFORMATION (*buffer overflow*), READ (success) |
| 22:46.45 | Cide | it only does that to about 5 addons |
| 22:46.51 | Cide | the other ~25 I have |
| 22:47.02 | Cide | aren't even accessed |
| 22:47.05 | KarlKFI | memory problem? |
| 22:47.13 | Cide | those other 25, show up in the FrameXML.log as "couldn't open" |
| 22:47.17 | Cide | dunno |
| 22:47.35 | KarlKFI | i take it you're taken it up with wow support |
| 22:47.57 | Cide | no, I merely sent slouken an email, but I'm not sure if it's his area or not right now |
| 22:48.19 | KarlKFI | probably not if it's disk/memory related |
| 22:48.30 | Cide | if it is |
| 22:48.41 | Cide | not sure why it wouldn't even try to access the .toc files, though |
| 22:48.50 | KarlKFI | well if it really is a buffer over flow i would think it'd be a bug in the C code |
| 22:49.22 | Cide | well, see |
| 22:49.27 | Cide | the addons that return that buffer overflow |
| 22:49.30 | Cide | are the ones that work... |
| 22:49.41 | KarlKFI | O.o |
| 22:49.46 | Cide | the other 25, which aren't even accessed |
| 22:49.51 | Cide | are the ones that get reset |
| 22:49.54 | KarlKFI | wait, that makes sense |
| 22:50.16 | KarlKFI | if it's C memory and overflow would still work fine but corrupt subsequent data |
| 22:50.38 | Cide | well I get that for like 5 addons |
| 22:50.43 | Cide | they all get a buffer overflow |
| 22:50.51 | Cide | but all 5 work |
| 22:51.17 | KarlKFI | so if it writes downwards in memory like normal stacks then it would overwrite part of the previous variable and corrupt it |
| 22:52.05 | Cide | example: |
| 22:52.39 | Cide | 18:40:03 WoW.exe:3348 OPEN D:\program\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\Ace\Ace.toc SUCCESS Options: Open Access: All |
| 22:52.40 | Cide | 18:40:03 WoW.exe:3348 QUERY INFORMATION D:\program\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\Ace\Ace.toc SUCCESS FileFsVolumeInformation |
| 22:52.42 | Cide | 18:40:03 WoW.exe:3348 QUERY INFORMATION D:\program\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\Ace\Ace.toc BUFFER OVERFLOW FileAllInformation |
| 22:52.43 | Cide | 18:40:03 WoW.exe:3348 READ D:\program\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\Ace\Ace.toc SUCCESS Offset: 0 Length: 4096 |
| 22:52.45 | Cide | 18:40:03 WoW.exe:3348 CLOSE D:\program\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\Ace\Ace.toc SUCCESS |
| 22:53.08 | Cide | so success first, and then buffer overflow |
| 22:53.15 | Cide | same for all ~5 |
| 22:53.28 | KarlKFI | would cause the success to fail and the overflow to work, right? |
| 22:53.38 | Cide | no clue |
| 22:54.05 | KarlKFI | so ace loads correctly with that ? |
| 22:55.22 | Cide | I believe so |
| 22:55.36 | KarlKFI | what's an example of one thta doesn't work? |
| 22:55.44 | Cide | no entry in the filemon log |
| 22:55.54 | Cide | and then in framexml.log |
| 22:55.54 | Cide | 6/18 18:40:03.437 Loading add-on CT_BuffMod |
| 22:55.54 | Cide | 6/18 18:40:03.437 Couldn't open Interface\AddOns\CT_BuffMod\CT_BuffMod.toc |
| 22:55.54 | Cide | 6/18 18:40:03.437 Couldn't open Interface\AddOns\CT_BuffMod\Bindings.xml |
| 22:58.11 | KarlKFI | ok well this is my guess: in the stack the info is stored FileFsVolumeInformation first and then FileAllInformation. But FileFsVolumeInformation is only every requested when you first open the app (i think) and then on subsequent reloads or logins it only reads FileAllInformation. But since it has overflown the extra data corrupted the FileFsVolumeInformation which makes the file read fail. |
| 22:58.47 | Miravlix | Why guess at all, all you can do with something as complicated as this, is guess your guess is a guess |
| 22:58.57 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 22:59.10 | Cide | well, that doesn't explain why it doesn't try to access the files at all |
| 22:59.21 | Cide | unless it just decides to break the loop or whatever |
| 22:59.26 | KarlKFI | can't access if the disk info is corrupt |
| 22:59.43 | Cide | it doesn't even try |
| 22:59.47 | KarlKFI | prolyl a variable checksum |
| 22:59.48 | Miravlix | Wouldn't the disk info be in windows |
| 23:00.13 | Miravlix | And they use some API to access the disk, so corrupting it, is pretty hard? |
| 23:00.41 | KarlKFI | nah, you would be corrupting your memory of the info, not the info that windows gave you |
| 23:00.55 | Miravlix | They could make a memory copy of the directory |
| 23:01.11 | KarlKFI | of the path and disk location anyway |
| 23:01.16 | Miravlix | I wish Cosmos.exe would do that and only scan once. :) |
| 23:01.44 | KarlKFI | might make it faster, not sure if you can do that in RealBasic tho |
| 23:01.56 | KarlKFI | might have to use lower level code |
| 23:02.35 | KarlKFI | so as to only access the disk a few times |
| 23:02.45 | Miravlix | I could write him a C library with an API that does it, if we where on Linux. :p |
| 23:03.13 | KarlKFI | right, which is why it's not done |
| 23:03.35 | KarlKFI | because making optimized cross platform disk reading is a LOT of work |
| 23:03.49 | KarlKFI | should be int he compiler imo |
| 23:03.54 | Miravlix | Take me a month or more to learn to make Windows DLL files |
| 23:04.09 | KarlKFI | knock yourself out |
| 23:04.35 | Miravlix | Why, Windows wont last long enough for the skill to be usefull. :) |
| 23:04.51 | KarlKFI | i have no idea if you can do anythign liek that in python or any interprited high level lang |
| 23:05.25 | Miravlix | You could make a TCP/IP localhost service that provides disk access |
| 23:05.31 | Miravlix | But too complicated for the users |
| 23:05.33 | cladhaire | whats the question? |
| 23:05.52 | Miravlix | We can't ask them to install python/perl/whatever |
| 23:06.20 | Miravlix | Finding a solution to making an installer that will be updated. |
| 23:06.23 | KarlKFI | multiple. but the immediate one is how to limit disk access cross platform by performing less reads in a high level interperited language |
| 23:07.02 | cladhaire | limit disk access how.. as in doing less reads? |
| 23:07.07 | KarlKFI | right |
| 23:07.09 | Miravlix | Maybe we could make a lua.exe with build in code |
| 23:07.13 | Miravlix | We can all do lua |
| 23:07.43 | KarlKFI | as in i want to access all the files in the interface folder, cache them into memory before i use the data |
| 23:08.17 | KarlKFI | potentially large memory usage, but it would make it faster |
| 23:08.42 | KarlKFI | rather than reading in one file at a time |
| 23:09.09 | KarlKFI | you'd think it'd be something the OS or compiler would handle.. |
| 23:09.18 | cladhaire | you can |
| 23:09.27 | cladhaire | or you can use a prebuilt binary |
| 23:09.31 | cladhaire | compiling it is very simple. |
| 23:09.44 | Miravlix | I need to compile to make a cross platform installer |
| 23:10.04 | Miravlix | Modify the code to load our installer lua |
| 23:10.18 | Miravlix | So ppl just download an exe file with the lua in it. |
| 23:14.30 | Miravlix | Perhaps a multimode, so it also can be linked to *.ilua files so others can use it as installer after it's installed |
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| 23:16.58 | Miravlix | Seems I just compiled it. |
| 23:17.23 | KarlKFI | does lua even have a way to read multiple files at the same time? i'd be surprised |
| 23:17.28 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:17.42 | cladhaire | its file io is as good as you want it to be |
| 23:18.20 | Miravlix | Aah hell I forgot that lua is lua.exe and lua51.dll |
| 23:18.50 | Miravlix | Thats to much complication for the users, need lua51.dll compiled in |
| 23:19.29 | KarlKFI | so... how do you read in multiple files? |
| 23:19.49 | cladhaire | local file1 = io.open("filename") |
| 23:19.53 | cladhaire | local file2 = io.open("filename") |
| 23:19.53 | Miravlix | file, os and those other API's bliz don't give us |
| 23:19.54 | cladhaire | .. |
| 23:20.28 | Miravlix | We even get corrutines so we can multitask the scanner in the background |
| 23:20.32 | KarlKFI | so the compiler then will read them in on as few reads as possible or does i let the OS handle it? |
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| 23:21.38 | KarlKFI | and how is that different from doign the same thing in RealBasic? |
| 23:22.12 | Thrae | Darn it, I need to get a UPS for this server. Oh well, at least it gave me a chance to update and install KDE. |
| 23:22.18 | Miravlix | That we can all code it |
| 23:22.32 | KarlKFI | that's not what i'm askign mira |
| 23:22.46 | KarlKFI | RealBasic would take you 20 min to learn |
| 23:22.57 | KarlKFI | you were complaining that it was slow |
| 23:22.59 | Miravlix | No fucking way am I ever going to code in basic |
| 23:23.02 | Miravlix | I would rather die |
| 23:23.05 | KarlKFI | how would lua make it faster? |
| 23:23.15 | KarlKFI | RealBasic != basic |
| 23:23.32 | Miravlix | It's something the world would be better off without |
| 23:23.33 | KarlKFI | RealBasic is an object oriented interprited language |
| 23:23.56 | KarlKFI | with a nice ide |
| 23:24.04 | Miravlix | Pfft |
| 23:24.13 | KarlKFI | it has it's own limitations much liek any other language |
| 23:24.20 | KarlKFI | but it's not basic |
| 23:25.18 | KarlKFI | you were complaining it was slow |
| 23:25.20 | Miravlix | Then you code it |
| 23:25.30 | KarlKFI | i don't WANT to code it |
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| 23:26.00 | Miravlix | And I will not code it in basic. |
| 23:26.17 | KarlKFI | it's not fucking basic |
| 23:26.31 | KarlKFI | and no one asked you to code it |
| 23:26.47 | Miravlix | It's mickey mouse langague and it has ruined million of programmers over the years. |
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| 23:27.08 | KarlKFI | which is based off of years of research i'm sure |
| 23:27.18 | ckknight | did it, did it touch you, Miravlix |
| 23:27.19 | ckknight | you know |
| 23:27.25 | ckknight | in your "swimsuit" area |
| 23:27.27 | KarlKFI | esp since you hadn't even heard of RealBasic before the coder came along |
| 23:27.35 | ckknight | did it, did Basic touch you? |
| 23:27.36 | Miravlix | What? |
| 23:27.40 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:27.42 | Tain | If anyone has 6 minutes to kill, this was a great Rube Goldberg machine video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kvdq8cRNBM |
| 23:27.50 | Miravlix | Why wouldn't I know RealBasic? |
| 23:28.05 | KarlKFI | you seem to know it enough to be pig headed about it |
| 23:28.20 | KarlKFI | you think you know it enough to judge it |
| 23:28.43 | KarlKFI | even tho i doubt you've ever even looked at a page of code in RealBasic |
| 23:29.04 | Miravlix | I have, but very limited. |
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| 23:29.20 | KarlKFI | i could say the same thing about visual basic, i've had about the same contact |
| 23:29.29 | Tain | I only used TRS-80 BASIC, Apple IIe BASIC, and Commodore 64 BASIC. |
| 23:30.29 | Miravlix | You can code 10 lines programs in basic |
| 23:30.33 | cladhaire | if you use C with lua you'll need to decide on a widget set.. and compile that in as well. |
| 23:30.37 | Miravlix | 20 lines and you can't keep track of yoru gotos |
| 23:30.47 | cladhaire | thats not basic.. .that any non-subroutine language. |
| 23:30.49 | cladhaire | machine, asm, etc. |
| 23:30.52 | KarlKFI | if you've at least used them, feel free to voice your oppinion, but being outspoken abotu a language you've never used just makes you sound ignorant. |
| 23:31.04 | KarlKFI | and afaik RealBasic doesn't use gotos |
| 23:31.07 | KarlKFI | so stfu |
| 23:31.23 | Miravlix | I'm not going to code thousand of lines in RB or any other simpleton language. |
| 23:31.54 | KarlKFI | you've never seen a page of the code, yet you KNOW it's a simpleton language. GG |
| 23:31.59 | Miravlix | It just wasn't build for any bigger work. |
| 23:32.01 | cladhaire | qq |
| 23:32.16 | Tain | You can use gosubs in BASIC! |
| 23:32.25 | cladhaire | your mom is a sogub |
| 23:32.41 | Tain | Hrm. I'm kind of hungry. I could go for a sub. |
| 23:32.50 | KarlKFI | re.sub even |
| 23:33.12 | KarlKFI | replace 'tomato' with 'bacon' |
| 23:33.45 | Miravlix | Lua wasn't really made for making an installer and network network communication device, but atleast we can all code it and with some henius structure requirements we could make it work. |
| 23:34.03 | cladhaire | but you still need to decide on a widget set |
| 23:34.07 | cladhaire | which is far more important than anything else. |
| 23:34.13 | cladhaire | unless you're using MFC, which you can't. |
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| 23:36.10 | Tain | eww MFC |
| 23:36.14 | Tain | mmm KFC |
| 23:36.22 | Elessdy | KFC is pretty bleh |
| 23:36.35 | Tain | I take my greasy fast food where I can get it! |
| 23:36.41 | Tain | Sort of like my women. |
| 23:36.43 | Elessdy | a substance that has suspiciously little in common with chicken that has too much sodium |
| 23:36.51 | Elessdy | for my taste |
| 23:36.59 | KarlKFI | the spicey buffelo wings are pretty good |
| 23:37.09 | cladhaire | i like the $1.00 sandwiches |
| 23:37.11 | cladhaire | they're worth it. |
| 23:37.25 | KarlKFI | fairly small, but yeah, worth a buck, buy 3 or 4 :) |
| 23:37.26 | Tain | The dollar menus are way better than those stupid combo meals. |
| 23:38.05 | cladhaire | i agree |
| 23:38.10 | cladhaire | they dont force you to get fried |
| 23:38.12 | cladhaire | sometimes i dont want fried |
| 23:38.51 | Tain | Dude, you're so fried. |
| 23:39.08 | KarlKFI | i fried your mom |
| 23:39.32 | SilverShadow | I'd rather have home cooked steak. |
| 23:39.43 | KarlKFI | fried steak? |
| 23:39.50 | SilverShadow | eww |
| 23:39.57 | cladhaire | eew.. fries. |
| 23:39.59 | SilverShadow | grilled |
| 23:40.07 | KarlKFI | fried and breaded steak is pretty good |
| 23:40.19 | Wobin | =\ I miss cantonese food =P |
| 23:40.21 | SilverShadow | enah.. |
| 23:40.33 | KarlKFI | tho i'm partial to grilled |
| 23:40.56 | KarlKFI | can even grill it in the frying pan to keep all the greese and fat ;) |
| 23:42.10 | SilverShadow | my father-in-law grills over open flames.. makes some of the best steak i've ever had. |
| 23:42.46 | KarlKFI | yeah, i do open flame too, if you dont have a grill tho make sure you have really long tongs |
| 23:42.57 | SilverShadow | *chuckle* |
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| 23:43.27 | KarlKFI | steak on a spit doesn't turn out so well |
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| 23:44.18 | Wobin | heheh |
| 23:44.25 | Wobin | http://www.hopeisemo.com |
| 23:44.36 | Wobin | From the minds that brought you askaninja.com =) |
| 23:46.12 | KarlKFI | wobin wants to test CHatEdit |
| 23:49.20 | KarlKFI | CroPL looks decent if you want a widget library for win/mac gui |
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| 23:50.05 | Wobin | What is ChatEdit? |
| 23:50.36 | KarlKFI | an addon i wrote without acces to WoW that lets you sellect and copy chat frame text |
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| 23:50.49 | Thrae | I think I might go from ChatBox back to ChatManager, my channels are having trouble getting in the right order. |
| 23:51.09 | snurre | im using cirk's chatmanager |
| 23:51.12 | snurre | works really well |
| 23:51.21 | *** part/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 23:51.25 | Wobin | I like chatmanager |
| 23:51.54 | snurre | was only using POE (persistance of chattiness) before that, which only saved your last /x.. but chatmanager can move channelnumbers, which is imba |
| 23:51.55 | snurre | all i use it for tho |
| 23:52.01 | Wobin | woohoo, cold code. |
| 23:52.10 | Wobin | Where can I access this fine product, Karl? =) |
| 23:52.31 | Industrial | lmao @ the emo girl |
| 23:52.36 | KarlKFI | in your dl folder |
| 23:52.37 | Wobin | Wow. it worked |
| 23:52.42 | KarlKFI | majic! |
| 23:52.58 | Wobin | You successfully scaled the Great Firewall of China, I'm impressed =) |
| 23:53.21 | KarlKFI | i have no idea if it has bugs or errors or anything, so if you just tell me what explodes i can fix it quick |
| 23:53.28 | Wobin | hokies |
| 23:53.48 | KarlKFI | if nothing explodes onload you should be able to shift-click any chat fame |
| 23:54.23 | KarlKFI | then esc/enter/click elsewhere to hide the editable box and go back to click through |
| 23:54.51 | KarlKFI | also it wont update for as logn as it's editable, spose i could fix that, gotta make sure it works first tho |
| 23:55.36 | Wobin | how's that last point again? |
| 23:55.47 | KarlKFI | ? |
| 23:56.01 | Wobin | "also it wont update for as logn as it's editable" |
| 23:56.13 | KarlKFI | basicly overlays your chatframe with an editbox with the same text |
| 23:56.26 | Wobin | ah |
| 23:56.31 | Wobin | so technically it's editable |
| 23:56.36 | Wobin | but doesn't change anything |
| 23:56.37 | KarlKFI | the editbox wont update, but if you esc out of it it will have updated the chatframe like normal |
| 23:56.48 | Wobin | oh it does. |
| 23:56.58 | Wobin | oh it doesn't =P |
| 23:57.01 | Wobin | nm me |
| 23:57.09 | KarlKFI | does it work then? |
| 23:57.13 | Tentacled | KarlKFI: it should not update while editable, I think. |
| 23:57.45 | Wobin | Just runnning it now |
| 23:57.48 | KarlKFI | right, it doesn't currently, figured that way you wont lose what was at the top of the frame too |
| 23:58.02 | Tentacled | KarlKFI: I would positively expect it to freeze and let me do my copying stuff in peace, until I say "okay, I'm done". |
| 23:58.25 | KarlKFI | and you probably wouldn't haven't entered sellect mode unless you wanted to copy somethign already said |
| 23:58.53 | KarlKFI | w/e |
| 23:58.55 | Miravlix | Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.microsoft.com |
| 23:59.06 | Miravlix | Sometimes the internet is funny |