| 00:00.14 | Legorol | ok no worries |
| 00:00.15 | Cide | it's not THAT hard to do though, so I'll see if I can do it after I'm done with this |
| 00:00.23 | Legorol | hopefully proxies around the world will pick it up sooner or later |
| 00:00.32 | Legorol | it's not urgent (for me at least :)) |
| 00:01.07 | Legorol | besides, my guess is by the time you get around to doing this, the new version will have propagated |
| 00:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm - what are the possible sizes for the key ring bag? |
| 00:03.45 | ScytheBlade1 | 4, 8, and 12? |
| 00:04.16 | Cide | I believe so |
| 00:04.52 | Legorol | ok, time to log in and see how many errors i get :) |
| 00:04.57 | Depherios | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.05 | Depherios | ^-- from blizz |
| 00:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome, the code for the expansion is already in the UI |
| 00:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | if ( level > 60 ) then |
| 00:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | size = 16; |
| 00:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | elseif |
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| 00:07.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | CTRA's making me crash in BWL :[ |
| 00:08.59 | Legorol | yay! |
| 00:09.05 | Legorol | ehm.. i mean.. ban CTRA! |
| 00:10.53 | Cide | ctra ate my babies |
| 00:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | So yeah, why does everyone hate CTRA? |
| 00:11.14 | Legorol | Cide, you do realise that you created a frankenstein |
| 00:11.26 | Legorol | my guild has also made it compulsory :( |
| 00:11.28 | Cide | ctra is poorly coded :( |
| 00:11.34 | Legorol | that's not the point |
| 00:11.37 | Cide | well, it is |
| 00:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I can tell that much |
| 00:11.44 | Legorol | the point is, you created something that's so popular, that it's compulsory |
| 00:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a freaking mess |
| 00:11.53 | Cide | which I'm fixing |
| 00:11.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | my guild has also made it compulsory too :[ |
| 00:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait what? Cide wrote CTRA? |
| 00:12.03 | Thrae | I like oRA myself. |
| 00:12.11 | Cide | yes... |
| 00:12.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like it, but some of the bugs that only I seem to encounter make me not able to go on raids :[ |
| 00:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And for the record |
| 00:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Over on Doomhammer, one of the original 10 servers, and one of the largest |
| 00:12.49 | Thrae | We all know CTRA randomly makes your character catch on fire for 9999 damage. |
| 00:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | There isn't a raiding guild that doesn't require CTRA |
| 00:13.00 | gnorlish | ctra makes kittens cry |
| 00:13.20 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: which guild are you in? |
| 00:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, you're on Doomhammer? |
| 00:13.46 | Cide | maybe :) I'm on Alleria with my main |
| 00:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The Resurgence |
| 00:14.34 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: haven't heard of it :) but then again, I'm not very familiar with Doomhammer guilds |
| 00:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, it's a new one. Raid twice a week, been at MC for two months and we have Ony and Rag down |
| 00:15.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | we raid 5 times a week, and that's still not enough for us |
| 00:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So Cide, want to tell me why the CT Control Panel pops open every time I login? ;P |
| 00:16.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | we do MC, BWL, Ony, Kazzak, The green dragons, AQ40 (working on huhu now), and we're starting naxx on monday |
| 00:16.49 | Cide | because you didn't update :) |
| 00:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, this is true, I just manually changed the TOC number and quit caring ;) |
| 00:17.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, that's my biggest problem, i think people are using old old old versions of CTRA and it's making me crash |
| 00:17.14 | Cide | suit yourself, then :) |
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| 00:18.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that a possibility cide? |
| 00:18.12 | Cide | depends |
| 00:18.18 | Cide | when do you crash? |
| 00:18.25 | Legorol | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:18.31 | Cide | and is it more of a hard crash, or major lag lag lag -> freeze -> dc? |
| 00:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ~dog Legorol |
| 00:18.37 | purl | ACTION stares at Legorol until Legorol whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 00:18.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | other people in the raid using old versions, making me crash? because i was in MC with most of the same people and had no problems yesterday |
| 00:18.37 | Legorol | you know better.. reporting a bug before updating? |
| 00:18.38 | Kirkburn | :( Poor kittens |
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| 00:18.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | It's lag lag lag freeze dc |
| 00:18.42 | fatbrain | What's new with 1.11 |
| 00:18.50 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: yep, sounds like a possibility then |
| 00:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, I wasn't reporting a bug, I was harassing him :P |
| 00:18.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | and usually on loading, but can happen at almost anytime |
| 00:18.58 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: oh ok then |
| 00:19.06 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: when mass inviting people, changing ctra channel? |
| 00:19.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah that too |
| 00:19.11 | Kirkburn | fatbrain, absolutely nothing. Identical to 1.10 it is. |
| 00:19.14 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: possibly mass zoning |
| 00:19.17 | fatbrain | Why doesn't my getglobal('somename') work? |
| 00:19.23 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 00:19.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | he changes the groups a lot and that seems to crash me when he moves me between 5 or 6 groups in ten secs |
| 00:19.33 | Legorol | Cide: in fact, CTRA's popularity made me unable to implement the data sharing i wanted over Sky |
| 00:19.38 | Legorol | it's all your fault! |
| 00:19.42 | Cide | :( |
| 00:19.46 | Legorol | guild told me to do it over CTRA because everyone has that |
| 00:20.03 | Legorol | and they don't want an extra channel |
| 00:20.03 | Kirkburn | This vid will knock your socks off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YtjtlpurOs&search=ellen%20allien |
| 00:20.03 | Kebinusan | well the extra channel thing is a real problem |
| 00:20.04 | Kirkburn | (music video) |
| 00:20.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, hopefully blizzard will do a decent job implementing parts of it into the game, so it can overcome some of the issues it's had in the past |
| 00:20.20 | Legorol | seeing that CTRA is compulsory, and many people maxed out their channel count, |
| 00:20.23 | Legorol | i can't go ahead and use Sky |
| 00:20.27 | fatbrain | Anyone? |
| 00:20.31 | Kebinusan | I just run ora and dont tell anyone |
| 00:20.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of it's blizzard's ZOMG THIS GUYS SPAMMING DC HIM code |
| 00:20.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | not ctra |
| 00:20.54 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: I'd suggest that you have everyone update to at least 1.536 |
| 00:20.56 | Cide | *everyone* |
| 00:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: why? |
| 00:21.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, i'll bitch at our guild master on aim in a few hours |
| 00:21.12 | Cide | because of a bug |
| 00:21.14 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: "update or -50 DKP" |
| 00:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Which bug? ^^ |
| 00:21.37 | Cide | massive spam if you have many main tanks up due to an oversight |
| 00:21.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got d/c ed and logged back in just in time to bid on the stormrage bracers and get them before getting d/cd again :P |
| 00:21.46 | fatbrain | hm |
| 00:21.55 | Tem|Food | Cide, I remember that bug |
| 00:21.56 | Tem|Food | it was fun |
| 00:21.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | we usually have 10 MTs |
| 00:22.04 | Tem|Food | I thought maybe changing the channel would fix it |
| 00:22.06 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: have everyone update :) |
| 00:22.06 | Tem|Food | so I did |
| 00:22.09 | Cide | Tem|Food: bad idea ;) |
| 00:22.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, not really, but in the MTT pane we do |
| 00:22.14 | Tem|Food | then watched half the raid disappear |
| 00:22.20 | Tem|Food | it was hillarious |
| 00:22.21 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: yeah |
| 00:22.32 | Kebinusan | wow that video is crazy |
| 00:22.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially with Garr, Domo, etc |
| 00:22.46 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 00:22.46 | Cide | Tem|Food: broadcast channel 1, broadcast channel 2, broadcast channel3, broadcast channel4, /leave channel4 |
| 00:22.47 | Tem|Food | (and by hillarious I mean nearly raid breaking as we were moments from pulling firemaw with only 1 previous kill) |
| 00:22.54 | Cide | for hilarity (with the old, bugged version) |
| 00:23.19 | Tem|Food | lol |
| 00:23.28 | Tem|Food | time for me to head out |
| 00:23.34 | Tem|Food | I need to leave work and get home |
| 00:23.42 | Tem|Food | we were screwed by patchday madness last night |
| 00:23.53 | Tem|Food | so our BWL was delayed so much we didn't even have time for Vael |
| 00:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: I just told my guild that they can either update, or the next time I see them in a raid, I make them dance on command and give me all of their money |
| 00:24.22 | Tem|Food | tonight we need to do Vael through Chromag and a lot of our A-team is on vacation :( |
| 00:24.36 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: sounds like what I used to do |
| 00:24.44 | Legorol | I never, ever in my life used CTRA before |
| 00:24.53 | Cide | uh oh! |
| 00:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | CTRA isn't bad |
| 00:24.58 | Legorol | why is it so useful, what is making it compulsory? |
| 00:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It just took me 15 minutes to find the "Silent Mode" code and disable it ;P |
| 00:25.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That kinda agitated me |
| 00:25.18 | Tem|Food | I totally put forced dancing in something that I distributed to the guild |
| 00:25.30 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: if someone enables it, you won't get very far chatting anyway :) |
| 00:25.35 | Cide | Legorol: um... |
| 00:25.52 | Legorol | i heard about the ready checks, main tank targets etc. |
| 00:25.52 | Tem|Food | Legorol, originally it was useful it was blizzard didn't have unit ids for raid members yet |
| 00:25.56 | Legorol | i guess you can't raid without |
| 00:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: oh bah, you did that filtering out client-side also? -.- |
| 00:25.58 | Tem|Food | so healing on a raid sucked hardcore |
| 00:26.04 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: indeed |
| 00:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: you disappoint me |
| 00:26.15 | Legorol | Tem|Food: yeah that makes sense |
| 00:26.15 | Kebinusan | yeah its not really such a big deal anymore |
| 00:26.17 | Cide | I outsmarted you, that's what I did! |
| 00:26.27 | Tem|Food | then Cide added all sorts of wizbang awesomeness |
| 00:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Just tell me that you put in code for forced /dance |
| 00:26.49 | Tem|Food | and now the unitframes code is sorta the secondary reason for having it |
| 00:26.52 | Legorol | the thing i find funny is how Blizzard is playing catch up |
| 00:26.57 | Tem|Food | (or the reason some people use oRA instead) |
| 00:27.00 | Legorol | implementing stuff from CTRA into the default uI |
| 00:27.04 | Tem|Food | and doing a poor job :( |
| 00:27.09 | Tem|Food | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.17 | Tem|Food | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.18 | Kirkburn | Well, I think my idea of 34 roses it out the window - 12 costs £40 |
| 00:27.23 | Legorol | that's how i get to see CTRA's features, when they make it into default UI :) |
| 00:27.36 | Legorol | Kirkburn: you are right, she is not worth that much |
| 00:27.42 | Legorol | who is she? |
| 00:27.54 | Tem|Food | Cide, did you consider my idea about sending a "READY" over the channel? |
| 00:27.58 | zenzelezz | why 34? |
| 00:28.05 | Legorol | her age? |
| 00:28.05 | Tem|Food | 34th b\irthday? |
| 00:28.07 | Legorol | birthday? |
| 00:28.10 | Kirkburn | My girlfriend :) Being away for a long time isn't great for a relationship |
| 00:28.23 | Tem | Kirkburn, that's a crapton of money |
| 00:28.23 | Cide | readycheck, tank death notifications, aggro gain, group changes notification, /raitem [Name] (returns who has that item and in what amount), /radur (durability check), /rareagent (various spell reagents), Main Tanks (and Assists) with coloring if they're targeting something else, Player Tanks (same as MT but local only, with a few differences) |
| 00:28.32 | Cide | Tem: yes, but I'll add it into CTRA2 most likely |
| 00:28.33 | Kirkburn | Nope, it was going to be 33 for each month we've been together, plus one more for 'the future' :) |
| 00:28.37 | Tem | CTRA2? |
| 00:28.42 | Cide | my rewrite of CTRA |
| 00:28.43 | Tem | whens this coming? |
| 00:29.02 | Legorol | ok, n00b question of the day: |
| 00:29.06 | Legorol | what is an assist or main assit? |
| 00:29.10 | Legorol | s/assit/assist/ |
| 00:29.18 | Cide | LOL NOOB LEGOROL |
| 00:29.19 | Tem | the person the raid assists to get their target |
| 00:29.34 | Tem | it's more effective if the whole raid attacks the same target |
| 00:29.39 | Legorol | ok, so it's not a person that is a main assistant? |
| 00:29.44 | Tem | no |
| 00:29.46 | Legorol | that use of the word assist confused me, hehe |
| 00:29.53 | Tem | (I generally call those people "raid officers") |
| 00:29.57 | Tem | not assistants |
| 00:30.04 | Tem | since I agree that that's confusing |
| 00:30.08 | Legorol | ah, so main assist is someone YOU assist |
| 00:30.12 | Tem | right |
| 00:30.17 | Legorol | confusing |
| 00:30.25 | Tem | Cide, any new features in CTRA2? |
| 00:30.40 | Cide | "decursive" functionality (with a couple of other features, such as debuff-specific, customizable filtering), emergency monitor, Frame Alpha (bad name.. what it does is make the unit frames fade in the lower health players have, useful for healers) |
| 00:30.45 | Cide | Tem: not sure yet |
| 00:30.52 | Tem | like... maybe... auto picking the channel |
| 00:30.54 | Cide | Tem: right now I'm just optimizing stuff |
| 00:31.02 | Legorol | Cide: that sounds like an awful lot of nice features |
| 00:31.08 | Kirkburn | This is what I'm thinking of atm: http://www.interflora.co.uk/catalog/product.xml?product_id=1021190;category_id=8;pcid1=;pcid2= |
| 00:31.11 | Legorol | i think after all this time, i should play around with it :) |
| 00:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: FORCED DANCING IF YOU HAVE RAID ASSIST OR LEADER :) |
| 00:31.21 | Legorol | seeing as i have to code for it, might as well see what the hype is about ;-) |
| 00:31.40 | Tem | I'll be completely honest; I *hate hate hate* channel broadcasts |
| 00:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: how else could you do it? |
| 00:32.09 | zenzelezz | I was annoyed by CTRA for a while because of the minimap button :-o |
| 00:32.16 | Tem | generate a name based on the raidleaders name |
| 00:32.23 | Tem | (and switch channels when the rl changes) |
| 00:32.31 | Cide | boss mods, option sets, customizable raid frames (show group names, hide health/mana/energy/rage bars, hide offline members, show AFK members, Feign Death, if people are resurrected, showing groups horizontally instead of vertically, expanding groups upwards, etc) |
| 00:33.00 | Cide | RaidStatus, Target Management (/tm, useful for advanced pulling), /rs (what blizzard made /rw) |
| 00:33.04 | Cide | I probably missed a bit, but yeah |
| 00:33.06 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.16 | Tem | anyway, I'll fill you with my opinions later |
| 00:33.20 | Tem | I've got to get home |
| 00:33.23 | Tem | raid starts in 30 |
| 00:33.26 | Cide | later Tem :) |
| 00:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: incorporate GarrTarget into it |
| 00:33.31 | Tem | later Cide |
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| 00:33.38 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, /tm |
| 00:33.40 | Cide | zenzelezz: explore the options menu and find the hide button |
| 00:33.46 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: I'd say /tm is better than GarrTarget :) |
| 00:33.51 | zenzelezz | Cide: I did, hence the "was" |
| 00:34.02 | Cide | ah, I thought you just got used to it or something :P |
| 00:34.40 | zenzelezz | hehe, nah... the only foreign button I allow to pollute my minimap is Atlas |
| 00:34.41 | Kirkburn | Aaah, choosing flowers is too complicated!! |
| 00:35.01 | Cide | Legorol: oh... I forgot |
| 00:35.04 | Cide | /rarly |
| 00:35.39 | Kirkburn | That should be the ready check |
| 00:35.59 | Kirkburn | ORLY sent as the question, everyone ready answers YARLY |
| 00:36.04 | Legorol | and not /yarly? |
| 00:36.24 | Legorol | darn, Kirkburn beat me to it |
| 00:36.24 | zenzelezz | am I the only one who've never found the orly/yarly thing funny? |
| 00:36.25 | Kirkburn | Confirms receipt with NOWAI :) |
| 00:36.36 | Legorol | zenzelezz: nope |
| 00:36.40 | Legorol | i don't find it funny either |
| 00:36.46 | Legorol | but it's funny to other people |
| 00:36.51 | Legorol | so i make myself look funny by using it |
| 00:36.59 | Cide | it's not funny anymore |
| 00:37.04 | zenzelezz | I had to ignore a former guildie when I was horde because he kept spamming guild chat about "Aucitoneer Yarly" or something |
| 00:37.09 | Cide | it was funny for about 5 minutes |
| 00:37.23 | Kirkburn | Where are all the blue and purple flowers :( |
| 00:37.47 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: you're in Italy? Go look near the temples |
| 00:37.52 | Kirkburn | hah |
| 00:38.08 | zenzelezz | should be some purple lotus |
| 00:38.13 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:38.49 | zenzelezz | Arcane Crystals nearly doubled in price overnight on my server |
| 00:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 00:39.06 | zenzelezz | earlier this evening you could get Arcanite Bars cheaper than Arcane Crystals |
| 00:39.09 | Kirkburn | I'm trying to find a nice collection of blue and purple flowers on interflora, but the only place I find them is on the custom delivery where I can't choose anything but the colour. I don't want to have to ask my girlfriend what she got :P |
| 00:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You should see them on doomhammer |
| 00:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Upwards of 60g |
| 00:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Last night they were 100g |
| 00:39.37 | zenzelezz | 45-55 at the moment here |
| 00:39.48 | zenzelezz | 20-25 usually |
| 00:39.48 | Legorol | yay, i love shipping recipes |
| 00:39.53 | Legorol | bought it for 8s on vendor |
| 00:39.56 | Legorol | sold it for 1g50s in AH |
| 00:40.10 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Can you find a local florist to her and call them and tell them what you want? |
| 00:40.23 | Kirkburn | Not really - she lives in the middle of the country :( |
| 00:40.49 | Iriel | I hear they have florists in the country too, and that perhaps flowers are even grown there? |
| 00:40.54 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 00:40.55 | Iriel | That may be rumor |
| 00:41.25 | Kirkburn | Well, it's a last resort to go searching online for florists :P |
| 00:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm. I need a good howto for the button code. |
| 00:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm failing. |
| 00:44.56 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: what are you trying to do |
| 00:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, make a button (don't hurt me Iriel!) that I can stick on an action bar. |
| 00:45.30 | zenzelezz | I find that description confusing |
| 00:45.57 | Kirkburn | I'm going to be expensive - http://www.interflora.co.uk/catalog/product.xml?product_id=1021270;category_id=8;pcid1=;pcid2= plus chocolates and a balloon :) |
| 00:46.33 | zenzelezz | red balloon? |
| 00:47.29 | Mikk1 | Whoot, 115 wowwiki addon pages tagged for deletion. Damn that felt good. |
| 00:47.30 | Kirkburn | A 'love balloon' ... in the shape of a heart I think |
| 00:47.43 | Kirkburn | Only cause you're reaching 4000 edits :P |
| 00:47.54 | Mikk1 | (Weird kind of wiki editor... getting kicks out of deleting pages ... =P ) |
| 00:47.55 | zenzelezz | if it's to signify love, a heart would be a good shape |
| 00:48.03 | Kirkburn | £63.83 =) |
| 00:48.34 | Kirkburn | What's that, like nearing $100? |
| 00:49.03 | zenzelezz | at least |
| 00:49.29 | zenzelezz | 64.00 GBP = 118.067 USD |
| 00:49.33 | zespri_work | Mikk how do you tag a page for delettion? |
| 00:49.46 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:49.51 | Kirkburn | {{speedydelete}} |
| 00:49.55 | zenzelezz | xe.com/ucc = win |
| 00:50.04 | Kirkburn | Or if it needs a vote ... {{delete}} and follow the instructions |
| 00:50.08 | Mikk1 | zespri_work: depends. what kind of page? |
| 00:50.18 | Kirkburn | Or in fact, check the delete policy pages |
| 00:50.21 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/delete <-- explains it |
| 00:50.26 | zespri_work | the 115 that you've tagged today |
| 00:50.31 | zespri_work | cheers =) |
| 00:50.35 | Mikk1 | those i did with a special {{deletemod}} tag |
| 00:50.59 | Mikk1 | only used for teh big mod page cleanup |
| 00:51.22 | Mikk1 | (http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Proposal_to_deprecate_addon_collection) |
| 00:52.11 | Kirkburn | hey, you tagged the ClearFont page :( |
| 00:52.47 | zespri_work | Mikk this page doesn't says anything about deletemod tag though |
| 00:53.00 | Mikk1 | no the 2nd one does |
| 00:53.12 | zespri_work | oh |
| 00:53.16 | zespri_work | I see now |
| 00:53.18 | zespri_work | thanks |
| 00:53.35 | Kirkburn | hmm, must think of an ecuse fr why I should keep the page |
| 00:53.47 | Kirkburn | s/ecuse fr/excuse for/ |
| 00:53.48 | Mikk1 | Move your webbeh over to wowwiki =) |
| 00:54.41 | Mikk1 | (and btw, no, i haven't even touched devel helper addons and nor do i intend to) |
| 00:54.52 | Kirkburn | of course |
| 00:57.37 | Legorol | Mikk1: i hear you marked a bunch of addon pages for deletion on wiki? |
| 00:58.24 | Mikk1 | Yes. Lots. |
| 00:58.25 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Proposal_to_deprecate_addon_collection |
| 01:00.00 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:00.02 | Legorol | i see your points |
| 01:00.10 | Legorol | i agree about addons that have description elsewhere |
| 01:00.22 | Legorol | however, there are a lot of those pages whose contents is not available elsewhere |
| 01:00.24 | Legorol | those should be kept |
| 01:00.27 | Legorol | even if outdated |
| 01:00.39 | Mikk1 | That was my main theory, yes. Anything in particular you're worried about? |
| 01:01.41 | Legorol | where can i see some form of list of all pages marked for deletion? |
| 01:01.52 | Legorol | i dont' want to have to go through one by one to see if one is marked that i'd like to keep |
| 01:01.58 | Legorol | my main worry is Cosmos addons |
| 01:01.59 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Deletemod |
| 01:02.05 | Legorol | currently, many Cosmos addons only have documentation on the wiki |
| 01:02.12 | Legorol | ok thanks i'll check the list |
| 01:02.23 | Mikk1 | I didn't touch anything that only lived in the "Cosmos AddOns" category |
| 01:03.21 | Mikk1 | (But I did nuke a number of Sarf addons that were once cosmos addons and then ripped out of the compilation about a year ago) |
| 01:03.22 | Cairenn | okay, so how do I vote? edit the vote and put in mine? |
| 01:03.34 | Mikk1 | Cairenn: yeah, follow instructions |
| 01:03.42 | Mikk1 | There's comments inside the wikitext too |
| 01:05.02 | Legorol | Mikk1: you did touch a lot of things that lived in Cosmos AddOns |
| 01:05.12 | Legorol | or did i misunderstand something? |
| 01:05.19 | zespri_work | Mikk let's take http://www.wowwiki.com/MonitorStatus as example. this is a cosmos addon and although the page is poor this is the only documentation that it has |
| 01:05.43 | Mikk1 | i didn't touch anything that _only_ lived in cosmos addons |
| 01:05.53 | Legorol | right |
| 01:06.05 | Legorol | unfortunately a lot of them live under both addons and cosmos addons |
| 01:06.08 | Mikk1 | Right |
| 01:06.16 | Mikk1 | Just rip the tags off the pages and remove from addons category |
| 01:06.19 | Legorol | so the best thing is to remove them from addons |
| 01:06.24 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:06.30 | zespri_work | cool thanks |
| 01:06.41 | Legorol | any way to automate this for all addons that are in the Cosmos AddOns category? |
| 01:06.53 | Mikk1 | wikignomemikk v1.0 can do it |
| 01:07.07 | Legorol | ok, how about we do that |
| 01:07.18 | Mikk1 | i'll do that, you can recheck the lsit after |
| 01:07.19 | Legorol | i do realise there are pages there for addons that are not in cosmos anymore |
| 01:07.29 | Legorol | however, i don't have the time right now to check which one is which |
| 01:07.40 | Legorol | apart from that, i agree with the rest, good riddance |
| 01:07.51 | Legorol | thanks a lot for accommodating us |
| 01:08.21 | Mikk1 | hey np |
| 01:08.43 | Mikk1 | (and besides it's easy for me to reverse the changes since there'll be entries in the cosmos addons category that are visited for me. those will be the ones i fiddled with =)) |
| 01:09.05 | Legorol | please let me know when you are done with it, then i will visit the special page again |
| 01:09.17 | Legorol | because i'm pretty sure there are cosmos addons that are not currently marked with that category |
| 01:09.31 | Mikk1 | probably yeah |
| 01:09.51 | Mikk1 | I'm going to plop some addons in here for talking about, too. Check back in a few. |
| 01:10.48 | Legorol | on the flip side, what do i need to do to mark a page for deletion under this policy? just add the {{deletemod}}? |
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| 01:13.41 | Legorol | Mikk1, also, I notice you added a few AddOns to the Cosmos AddOns category a while ago |
| 01:13.53 | Legorol | i'm afraid some of them don't belong there, we will remove ones we find |
| 01:14.34 | Legorol | ah i see what happened |
| 01:14.40 | Kirkburn | bah, some people ... complaining at me for having the time to recode a website from scratch, but not making new screenshots for CF - what do they think I am? Productive? |
| 01:14.45 | Legorol | these mods tend to say they are optionally dependent on Cosmos |
| 01:14.59 | Wobin | ~productivity |
| 01:15.03 | purl | yay! i mean.. boo. |
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| 01:15.27 | Cairenn | out of curiosity Kirkburn, *why* are making a new site? |
| 01:15.28 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:15.36 | Legorol | Mikk1, zespri, i summon thee |
| 01:15.40 | Legorol | question: |
| 01:15.43 | Kirkburn | Cause I didn't like the old website :P |
| 01:15.54 | Legorol | should the Cosmos AddOns category be used for AddOns that are in the Cosmos package, |
| 01:15.55 | Cairenn | why have one at all, is my point :p |
| 01:15.59 | Legorol | or AddOns that optionally support Cosmos? |
| 01:16.04 | Legorol | I beleive it's the former |
| 01:16.14 | zespri_work | yeah? |
| 01:16.19 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, you surprise me ;) |
| 01:16.22 | zenzelezz | someone sounds jealous of the new page *whistles* |
| 01:16.39 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 01:16.44 | Legorol | zespri: i disagree with you on what to do with 3rd party mods |
| 01:16.55 | Legorol | they are just like any other mod, the author may have this as their homepage, or they may not |
| 01:17.04 | Kirkburn | I want to make money off making websites, so it's a learning thing |
| 01:17.16 | Cairenn | cool |
| 01:17.22 | Legorol | there are many addons which have small description on here that are marked for deletion, i don't think these addons are any different |
| 01:17.47 | Legorol | the only reason we want to keep Cosmos AddOns is because those we *know* they don't have documentation elsewhere |
| 01:17.51 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 01:17.57 | Legorol | does that make sense? |
| 01:18.39 | Legorol | let me know what you think |
| 01:18.50 | Kirkburn | The wiki is the main site for Cosmos addon documentation - therefore, they belong there |
| 01:19.12 | Kirkburn | Same goes for other addons - if any such exist on the wiki ;) |
| 01:19.19 | Cairenn | only reason I ever wonder why an author worries about having their own page is because I wonder why they put themselves through the cost, time and effort involved |
| 01:19.36 | Mikk1 | I r back, reading scrollback. |
| 01:19.44 | Gngsk | is there a way to keep a frame hidden without usingn a frame modifying addon? |
| 01:19.46 | zenzelezz | you'd rather they be lazy, cheap buggers? :) |
| 01:19.57 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, I just like doing it :) |
| 01:19.59 | Legorol | Cairenn: maybe control? |
| 01:20.03 | Gngsk | FriendsFrame keeps poping up with Raid Information |
| 01:20.05 | Legorol | or that Kirkburn is crazy :p |
| 01:20.26 | Kirkburn | Legorol, I think that was established back in January :P |
| 01:20.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.32 | Legorol | damn, i'm late again |
| 01:20.35 | Mikk1 | Legorol: I assumed that a page not updated in over half a year was not the main page for an addon. |
| 01:20.44 | Cide | I did it because I'm lazy :) |
| 01:20.50 | Mikk1 | Many of them I actually verified to be out of date against addon sites |
| 01:20.56 | Legorol | Mikk1: in general, you are probably right |
| 01:21.04 | Legorol | however, with Cosmos AddOns we are extremely lazy :) |
| 01:21.07 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 01:21.18 | Legorol | a lot of them only exist on the wiki, and they haven't been udpated yes |
| 01:21.23 | Legorol | still better than nothing |
| 01:21.23 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, no, I know what you mean =) I have my own network of websites, that's why I use it rather than WoWI |
| 01:21.30 | Mikk1 | anyway. i've yanked {{deletemod}}+{{addon}} off a bunch of pages, but here's a few I'd like to run by you: |
| 01:21.39 | Mikk1 | DamageMeters and ScrollingCombatText? |
| 01:21.42 | Legorol | ok i will run through stuff now |
| 01:21.45 | Legorol | they are both in Cosmos |
| 01:21.47 | Mikk1 | Yes but |
| 01:21.54 | Mikk1 | Well |
| 01:21.55 | Legorol | oh i see what you mean |
| 01:21.58 | Legorol | they are 3rd party |
| 01:22.01 | Mikk1 | Very |
| 01:22.06 | Mikk1 | Your call tbh |
| 01:22.11 | Mikk1 | Could just live in Cosmos AddOns |
| 01:22.14 | Legorol | ok, there are 3 issues at the moment: |
| 01:22.25 | Legorol | * AddOns that are optionally dependent on Cosmos, but not actually included with the package |
| 01:22.33 | Legorol | some of these got excluded from the mark for deletion |
| 01:22.46 | Mikk1 | I think those should be treated like any other mod |
| 01:22.49 | Legorol | * AddOns that are 3rd party but present in Cosmos too, and have an (outdated) page on the wiki |
| 01:23.00 | Legorol | * AddOns that are purely Cosmos |
| 01:23.14 | Legorol | i agree with you, first category should be treated like any other mod and marked for deletion if outdated |
| 01:23.15 | Kirkburn | Those that are 3rd party should link to the 3rd party sites |
| 01:23.22 | Legorol | i agree on that too |
| 01:23.29 | Mikk1 | Aight |
| 01:23.35 | Legorol | those in 2nd category needs to have at least a page |
| 01:23.39 | Legorol | with a link to the official page |
| 01:23.47 | Mikk1 | okies, so keep those two |
| 01:23.48 | Legorol | because we don't want to have some red links on the Cosmos AddOns page |
| 01:23.55 | Legorol | and the 3rd category, definitely keep |
| 01:23.57 | Kirkburn | You could link them from the Cosmos Addons page |
| 01:24.03 | Mikk1 | XPBarColor - Sarf, last software update in 1.6? |
| 01:24.03 | Mikk1 | TooltipPlacer - Sarf, last software update in 1.5? |
| 01:24.03 | Mikk1 | AuraAspects - Sarf, last software update in 1.6? |
| 01:24.03 | Mikk1 | CooldownCount - Sarf, last software update in 1.8? |
| 01:24.03 | Mikk1 | CycleCommand - Sarf, last software update in 1.6? |
| 01:24.04 | Kirkburn | rather than have separate pages |
| 01:24.14 | Legorol | Kirkburn has a point |
| 01:24.20 | Legorol | ok, let's do that |
| 01:24.29 | Legorol | i am going to go through as many pages as i can, and mark them as follows: |
| 01:24.35 | Mikk1 | I'll leave that work to you tbh, I just want them out of the addons category =) |
| 01:24.39 | Legorol | 1) those that are not done by us, i will remove from Cosmos category |
| 01:24.49 | Legorol | and make sure they are in addons category still |
| 01:24.55 | Legorol | feel free to add or rremove the deletemod tag |
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| 01:25.11 | Mikk1 | aight. let no mod be both addon + cosmos addon |
| 01:25.15 | Legorol | 2) those that are 3rd party and have their official page, but in Cosmos, for now don't touch |
| 01:25.29 | Legorol | eventually change the links to point to the official site |
| 01:25.48 | Legorol | 3) pure Cosmos addons stay in Cosmos Addons cateogry as well as AddOns category |
| 01:25.55 | Mikk1 | arf no |
| 01:25.58 | Legorol | no? |
| 01:26.06 | Mikk1 | just cosmos addons? |
| 01:26.12 | Mikk1 | to avoid another bout of this mess? |
| 01:26.17 | Legorol | mmm.. ok |
| 01:26.38 | Legorol | right, so i will run through the lists on both side and add/remove category links appropriately now |
| 01:27.01 | Mikk1 | arf ok but i had a few more that i wanted to run by you |
| 01:27.18 | Legorol | ok sure go ahead |
| 01:27.24 | Mikk1 | XPBarColor - Sarf, last software update in 1.6? |
| 01:27.24 | Mikk1 | TooltipPlacer - Sarf, last software update in 1.5? |
| 01:27.25 | Mikk1 | AuraAspects - Sarf, last software update in 1.6? |
| 01:27.25 | Mikk1 | CooldownCount - Sarf, last software update in 1.8? |
| 01:27.25 | Mikk1 | CycleCommand - Sarf, last software update in 1.6? |
| 01:27.27 | Legorol | actually, here is the thing |
| 01:27.41 | Legorol | XPBarColor: not a Cosmos addon |
| 01:27.48 | Legorol | TooltipPlacer: not a Cosmos addon |
| 01:27.52 | Legorol | AuraAspects ditto |
| 01:27.57 | Legorol | CooldownCount IS a cosmos addon |
| 01:28.01 | Legorol | cyclecommand isn't |
| 01:28.05 | Mikk1 | ok |
| 01:28.11 | Mikk1 | DPSPLUS - Page not updated since dec 2004 |
| 01:28.13 | Legorol | ok, please let's do it this way |
| 01:28.30 | Legorol | could you run a script, which takes any page that has both addons and cosmos addons as category, |
| 01:28.40 | Legorol | actually nvm |
| 01:28.43 | Mikk1 | it's these pages |
| 01:28.46 | Mikk1 | there weren't many of them |
| 01:29.01 | Mikk1 | DPSPLUS? |
| 01:29.02 | Legorol | dpsplus: cosmos addon, not updated because it's defunct |
| 01:29.09 | Legorol | can we leave it in there for now? |
| 01:29.09 | Mikk1 | keep? |
| 01:29.11 | Mikk1 | sure |
| 01:29.11 | Legorol | yes |
| 01:29.16 | Legorol | we will cull old ones at some point |
| 01:29.16 | Mikk1 | DynamicData - Last update feb 2005, no download link |
| 01:29.22 | zespri_work | hey |
| 01:29.30 | Mikk1 | hey =) |
| 01:29.45 | zespri_work | Lego, did I miss anything you wanted me to attend? |
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| 01:30.05 | zespri_work | Sorry, was disctracted by work-related issues |
| 01:30.12 | Legorol | zespri: Mikk and I thought the best way is: |
| 01:30.23 | Legorol | 1) any addon that has cosmos as optional is a normal addon, and is treated like any other addon |
| 01:30.27 | Legorol | i.e. marked for delete |
| 01:30.37 | Legorol | 2) any addon that is 3rd party but exists in cosmos is marked as cosmos addon |
| 01:30.41 | Legorol | 3) pure cosmos addons stay |
| 01:30.53 | Legorol | an addon can exist either in the AddOns category or Cosmos AddOns, but no both |
| 01:31.03 | Legorol | Mikk1: that's all then? |
| 01:31.04 | zespri_work | there are as well addons that require cosmos but not in comos |
| 01:31.16 | Legorol | after you change those, no more page exists in both categories? |
| 01:31.19 | Mikk1 | Legorol: yep, that's all |
| 01:31.27 | Mikk1 | afaik, anyway |
| 01:31.32 | Legorol | zespri: those are 3rd party |
| 01:31.47 | Legorol | the Cosmos AddOns category from now on should be for addons exclusively handled by the team |
| 01:32.11 | Legorol | Mikk1: ok if that's done then i'll run through the AddOns list and move any to the Cosmos category that belong there |
| 01:32.15 | Legorol | and vice versa |
| 01:32.25 | zespri_work | you see |
| 01:32.30 | zespri_work | we have http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_AddOns oage |
| 01:32.40 | Mikk1 | Legorol: yep! |
| 01:32.40 | Legorol | yes we do |
| 01:32.49 | zespri_work | which is not the same as http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Cosmos_AddOns |
| 01:32.53 | Legorol | zespri, that did occur to me as well |
| 01:33.10 | Legorol | the two pages will somehow have to be reconciled at some point |
| 01:33.30 | Legorol | for now i'll just make sure that any page linked to from the http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_AddOns page is in the Cosmos AddOns category |
| 01:33.53 | Mikk1 | Arf. Did we say anything about DynamicData? |
| 01:33.59 | zespri_work | to minimize work I would suggest leave cosmos category for any cosmos related adons and http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_AddOns for cosmos addons |
| 01:34.10 | Legorol | Mikk1: we didn't |
| 01:34.13 | Legorol | DD is not in Cosmos |
| 01:34.34 | Legorol | hmmm |
| 01:35.05 | Legorol | zespri, so you are suggesting the Cosmos AddOns category should be for those AddOns that support Cosmos? |
| 01:35.09 | Legorol | ack |
| 01:35.16 | Legorol | that goes against what Mikk and I just thought |
| 01:35.50 | zespri_work | but it will allow to not to worry about addon pages that uses this category and are not cosmos addons |
| 01:35.54 | Legorol | ok well i am out of ideas |
| 01:36.01 | Mikk1 | Ok wait, back up a little |
| 01:36.03 | zespri_work | this is the main reason why I'm suggesting it |
| 01:36.06 | Mikk1 | Do we have examples of troublesome pages? |
| 01:36.24 | zespri_work | yes hang on |
| 01:36.35 | zespri_work | http://www.wowwiki.com/AuraAspects |
| 01:36.54 | Mikk1 | Treat it like any addon imo |
| 01:36.55 | Mikk1 | ? |
| 01:37.04 | Mikk1 | Optionally dependent on cosmos |
| 01:37.08 | Legorol | ok i think i see what zespri is trying to say |
| 01:37.12 | zespri_work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Advanced_Bags_Plus |
| 01:37.30 | zespri_work | these addons are not cosmos addons |
| 01:37.31 | Cide | hmm. hooking __newindex and forgetting to call rawset is a bad idea |
| 01:37.45 | Legorol | so there are 3 types of addons currently documented on the wiki (from Cosmos perspective) |
| 01:37.46 | Cide | in case you were wondering :) |
| 01:37.46 | zespri_work | but they support cosmos and are in the cosmos addons category |
| 01:37.57 | Legorol | 1) normal addons, they should just be in AddOns category, clearly |
| 01:38.14 | Legorol | 2) normal addons that are OptDep on Cosmos, zespri is suggesting having these in Cosmos AddOns category |
| 01:38.26 | Mikk1 | I'd say AddOns for those still |
| 01:38.30 | Legorol | 3) Cosmos AddOns that are distributed in Cosmos (including both 3rd party and internal ones) |
| 01:38.33 | Mikk1 | Though |
| 01:38.47 | Mikk1 | I want a more restricive view on regular AddOns |
| 01:38.59 | Mikk1 | while Cosmos might have interests in showing related mods |
| 01:39.02 | Mikk1 | I see the problem |
| 01:39.26 | Kirkburn | http://www.oooooouch.com <-- clickety click click!! |
| 01:39.29 | Legorol | there is currently no other centralised list that shows what addons are OptDep on Cosmos |
| 01:39.43 | Legorol | however, |
| 01:39.46 | Mikk1 | Makes sense to have it on the wiki in some form then |
| 01:39.55 | Legorol | since these are still 3rd party addons |
| 01:39.55 | Mikk1 | (note "some") |
| 01:40.02 | Legorol | with outdated documentation, |
| 01:40.11 | Legorol | i agree with you that the pages themselves should be removed |
| 01:40.26 | Legorol | if anything, leave a single page that is a collection of links to AddOns that support Cosmos |
| 01:40.35 | Mikk1 | Makes sense |
| 01:40.42 | Legorol | if necessary, with external links only |
| 01:40.47 | Legorol | i think that's the cleanest solution |
| 01:41.15 | Legorol | and as usual, being a community project, anyone can update that page |
| 01:41.22 | Legorol | this fits in with your move to remove addon pages |
| 01:42.01 | Legorol | so restrict Cosmos AddOns category to pages that are currently in or once were in the Cosmos package |
| 01:42.08 | Legorol | (we will cull old pages at some point) |
| 01:42.26 | Mikk1 | I.e. they'll all be linked from the Cosmos AddOns list |
| 01:42.28 | Kirkburn | Zomg, I'm a musician! www.oooooouch.com.br/index.php?id=f3d248944edabf12cfab124e6e0245e9 |
| 01:42.35 | Legorol | ideally, this category should matchi with the list on http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_AddOns but it won't for a while |
| 01:43.04 | Legorol | one example being outdated addons that once were part of the package, whose page is kept for historical reasons |
| 01:43.54 | Legorol | ok, is everyone happy with this solution then? |
| 01:44.11 | Mikk1 | Aye. And just play it by ear. Nothing will disappear for like a week anyway. |
| 01:44.13 | Legorol | I will now go through the marked for deletion list and move any pages into the Cosmos AddOns category that belong in there |
| 01:44.25 | Mikk1 | okay, i'm not touching anything. |
| 01:44.35 | Mikk1 | and don't blame me for advancedbagsplus, you guys were the ones warring about that one =) |
| 01:44.37 | Legorol | at the moment, that will just mean don't delete those |
| 01:44.47 | Legorol | Mikk1: no one's blaming you, you are doing awesome job |
| 01:45.02 | Mikk1 | o. thanks =) |
| 01:45.05 | Kirkburn | Well this link actually works! http://www.oooooouch.com/index.php?id=eng72317810 |
| 01:46.01 | Legorol | Mikk1: so at the moment no page is in both categories, right? |
| 01:47.18 | Kirkburn | Bah! Bah I say |
| 01:47.50 | Kirkburn | You've covered my IRC page with lime green text :P |
| 01:49.19 | Kirkburn | night night |
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| 01:49.27 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Afaik only advanced bags plus |
| 01:49.32 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:49.39 | Mikk1 | I'll double check and report |
| 01:50.22 | Cide | Legorol: if you're still using CTRA, get the new version :P |
| 01:50.33 | Legorol | how new is new? |
| 01:50.35 | Legorol | i have 1.537 |
| 01:50.42 | Legorol | and i am not still using, but about to start using ;-) |
| 01:51.33 | Mikk1 | Well, ok, Cosmos is in both but that's fine ;) |
| 01:51.34 | Legorol | Mikk1: would it be difficult to generate a list of all pages in the AddOns category that is actually linked from somewhere? Other than the category page.. |
| 01:51.37 | Cide | uploading 1.538 as we speak :P |
| 01:51.53 | Mikk1 | Legorol: not really |
| 01:52.06 | Mikk1 | Will do that after my manual walkthrough |
| 01:52.31 | Legorol | Mikk1: for now i'm just moving any addon that used to be part of Cosmos into the Cosmos category, and removing the {{deletmod}} tag |
| 01:52.45 | Legorol | i will go throug the category at a later date and readd the tag to those appropriate, is that ok? |
| 01:53.26 | Mikk1 | of course |
| 01:53.29 | Mikk1 | absolutely |
| 01:55.10 | Legorol | part of the reason is that some of these pages are still linked from the Cosmos page |
| 01:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | So what's the new API call for the raid targets? |
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| 01:57.45 | Tem | Cide, you around? |
| 01:58.10 | Cide | Tem: yup |
| 01:58.12 | Tem | we're having an issue where people are not seeing all the MTs. What do I need to send over the channel to force an update? |
| 01:58.20 | Cide | /raupdate |
| 01:58.36 | Tem | bah, I don't have that one |
| 01:58.45 | Cide | just do /# SR |
| 01:58.52 | Cide | where # is the ctra channel id |
| 01:58.59 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Note that the {{addon}} tag places mods in category:addons |
| 01:59.20 | Legorol | yeah i noticed |
| 01:59.26 | Tem | is $ and S interchangeable? |
| 01:59.41 | Cide | Tem: it normally encodes S to $ |
| 01:59.47 | Cide | but since you aren't drunk (I hope :P), it won't matter |
| 02:00.00 | Cide | $ is decoded to S later on anyway |
| 02:00.30 | Tem | right |
| 02:00.32 | Tem | just making sure |
| 02:01.52 | Mikk1 | Wow, quite a few addons plopping into Category:AddOns |
| 02:02.38 | Tem | Why do I only see a "M" on /rs |
| 02:02.45 | Tem | I could swear it was MS <msg> |
| 02:03.02 | Legorol | aaaah, you almost nuked poor Vickel |
| 02:03.08 | Legorol | Mikk1: what do you mean? |
| 02:04.30 | Cide | Tem: it's encoded to $ which isn't displayed :P |
| 02:04.36 | Tem | weird |
| 02:04.40 | Cide | same thing with § |
| 02:04.48 | Cide | I'm guessing because it isn't escaped |
| 02:04.50 | Tem | do you know why "$" isn't displayed? |
| 02:05.26 | Legorol | how do i turn a page into a redirect? |
| 02:06.36 | Mikk1 | #REDIRECT [[Destination]] |
| 02:08.11 | Mikk1 | Hrms, now there's a bunch of addons that are Category:Cosmos and Category:AddOns. Could have sworn there weren't before. |
| 02:11.05 | Legorol | hmm.. |
| 02:11.17 | Legorol | is it possible that putting them in Cosmos category puts them in AddOns too? |
| 02:11.24 | Legorol | since the Cosmos AddOns is a subcategory of AddOns |
| 02:11.28 | Legorol | hmm |
| 02:11.48 | Legorol | i just moved a bunch of pages from AddOns to Cosmos AddOns |
| 02:12.14 | chuckg | Anyone know the new frame name for the raid info? |
| 02:12.28 | chuckg | Lots of ppl are reporting it popping up in guild, trying to figure out a way to just move it off screen. |
| 02:14.20 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 02:14.47 | zenzelezz | now I know all drop rates seem horrid when you're farming... but I wish these four hours would have yielded more than one Living Essence |
| 02:17.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-81-92.onelinkpr.net) |
| 02:17.18 | zespri_work | hey, MentalPower |
| 02:17.52 | Cairenn | hey MentalPower :) |
| 02:18.49 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Nope, they don't drop down automagically like that |
| 02:18.57 | zespri_work | Cairen, he is ignoring you. on purpose! |
| 02:19.03 | Mikk1 | Here's my current list of questionmarks: Pizza, QuestShare, Thottbot, TackleBox, Telo's *, Tloc, TooltipsBase, TransNUI |
| 02:19.35 | zespri_work | TransNUI is no longer |
| 02:19.43 | Mikk1 | k |
| 02:19.52 | zespri_work | as well as TooltipBase i think |
| 02:20.16 | Legorol | Mikk1: i have dealt with a lot of them already |
| 02:20.25 | zespri_work | Telo's addons has a thread in off blizz forum which is main point of reference for these addons |
| 02:20.27 | Legorol | Pizza, QuestShare already in Cosmos category |
| 02:20.35 | Legorol | i mean i moved them there |
| 02:20.44 | Legorol | these used to be part of it, and this is the only documentation for them |
| 02:20.52 | Mikk1 | ah, but the {{addon}} tag is still there |
| 02:20.53 | Legorol | plus they are linked from teh Cosmos_AddOns page's historical section |
| 02:20.57 | Mikk1 | that's why they're plopping into addons |
| 02:21.03 | Legorol | ah, that's an oversight on my part then |
| 02:21.45 | Mikk1 | actually no a straight Category:AddOns |
| 02:21.47 | Mikk1 | ohwell |
| 02:21.49 | Mikk1 | you or i fix? |
| 02:23.01 | Legorol | i will |
| 02:23.05 | Legorol | let me finish going through various lists |
| 02:23.12 | Legorol | when i'm done i'll let you know and you can doublecheck me |
| 02:23.15 | Legorol | i'm still editing pages |
| 02:23.22 | zenzelezz | Victory! One more essence |
| 02:23.49 | Mikk1 | ok |
| 02:24.10 | Mikk1 | should just poke telo to stop being silly and trying to keep stuff alive in the bloody forums and come and use wowwiki instead |
| 02:24.19 | Cairenn | good luck |
| 02:24.22 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 02:24.36 | Cairenn | he hasn't been interested in posting on any of the hosting sites |
| 02:25.13 | zespri_work | one would have guessed |
| 02:25.41 | Cairenn | not saying don't approach him, just saying "good luck" |
| 02:25.41 | Mikk1 | it's just so damn silly trying to use a forum as an info repository |
| 02:25.41 | Mikk1 | not that i'd put it that way to him =) |
| 02:25.42 | Cide | to each their own, I guess |
| 02:25.50 | Legorol | hmm.. Pizza seems fine |
| 02:25.55 | Legorol | Mikk1, could you doublecheck Pizza? |
| 02:26.00 | Legorol | i don't see it being in AddOns |
| 02:27.12 | Mikk1 | k |
| 02:27.30 | Mikk1 | nope you fixed it |
| 02:28.08 | Mikk1 | Tloc, Tooltips* |
| 02:31.01 | Mikk1 | So umm is Telo's stuff cosmos or no? |
| 02:31.24 | Legorol | i just got to them |
| 02:31.28 | Legorol | i am moving them to Cosmos, yes |
| 02:31.36 | zespri_work | not really, there are a couple addons that stemmed from Telo's original addons |
| 02:31.36 | Mikk1 | kk |
| 02:31.38 | Legorol | they seem to be on the wiki because these particular ones were in Cosmos at one point |
| 02:31.47 | Legorol | the Cosmos team will decide what to do with these pages |
| 02:33.04 | Legorol | ok, on further reflection |
| 02:33.14 | Legorol | there are separate pages for the cosmos versions of these |
| 02:33.18 | Legorol | so i'm moving them to the addons category |
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| 02:36.22 | Legorol | ok the Tloc page is weird |
| 02:36.26 | Legorol | it's not an AddOn per se |
| 02:36.33 | Legorol | but it describes a feature that many AddOns provide |
| 02:36.47 | Legorol | i beleive that's why the author put it in the AddOns category |
| 02:37.01 | Legorol | don't know what to do with this one |
| 02:37.13 | Legorol | Mikk1: ok i'm done separating addons and cosmos addons |
| 02:37.24 | Legorol | please let me know if you notice any page that is in both |
| 02:40.28 | Legorol | is there a way to revert a page to a previous state, one that i choose from its history? |
| 02:42.15 | Mikk1 | edit an old version and save it |
| 02:42.35 | Mikk1 | Legorol: I changed the tloc one to a Game Term page |
| 02:42.43 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:42.53 | Legorol | i have finished moving all those pages to Cosmos AddOns that should be there |
| 02:42.59 | Mikk1 | (didn't really read what it WAS until now) |
| 02:43.02 | Mikk1 | right |
| 02:43.03 | Legorol | now i am doing the reveres, moving all pages out of Cosmos AddOns that shouldn't be there |
| 02:43.13 | Mikk1 | Ok, I won't touch anything until you're done with that |
| 02:43.15 | Legorol | and adding {{deletemod}} :) |
| 02:43.17 | Mikk1 | I'll just end up doing double work |
| 02:43.53 | Legorol | e.g. CartoPlus, it's a mystery why it's in Cosmos AddOns |
| 02:44.44 | Mikk1 | Hehe, arf, 111 articles in AddOns. 88 tagged for deletion. |
| 02:45.52 | Legorol | if I just simply move pages to AddOns that belong there, |
| 02:46.02 | Legorol | can you easily check which ones those are, and add deletemod if necessary? |
| 02:46.05 | Legorol | i'll let you know when done |
| 02:46.17 | Legorol | lol, there's an AddOn called Cosmos Poker |
| 02:46.21 | Legorol | no wonder it's in wrong category :) |
| 02:46.52 | Mikk1 | Legorol: possibly, unless I've already managed to click them |
| 02:47.06 | Mikk1 | Either way, when things get zapped, it'll be easy to do a 2nd pass and check what's left |
| 02:51.04 | Legorol | ok done |
| 02:53.07 | Mikk1 | aight |
| 02:53.09 | Mikk1 | go vote btw =) |
| 02:53.30 | Legorol | it's a clear win already, what for :p |
| 02:53.49 | Mikk1 | aeuhmmm because the stupid voting rules require a 3:1 win ratio |
| 02:53.57 | Mikk1 | so if we get 3 loonies voting against, we need 9 to win |
| 02:54.12 | Mikk1 | you might want to go vote on the policy proposal to fix the stupid voting policy too =) |
| 02:56.27 | Depherios | lol |
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| 03:01.51 | Mikk1 | Omg Iriel is using ages-old BitchX |
| 03:02.00 | Mikk1 | Gonna be choke full of vulns =) |
| 03:02.35 | zenzelezz | how do you know? The quit message seems random every time |
| 03:02.41 | Mikk1 | (Or, hm, that's the quotes file... Maybe just means the first version got installed ages ago) |
| 03:03.26 | Legorol | yay, Cairenn voted too |
| 03:04.09 | Legorol | Mikk1: i don't think that the No votes are going to make a comeback in the next 3 days ;_) |
| 03:04.10 | Cairenn | yeah, I don't already have enough on my plate, I'm getting sucked into the wiki too |
| 03:04.27 | Legorol | \o| |
| 03:04.36 | Legorol | s/\o|/\o// |
| 03:04.41 | Legorol | darn |
| 03:07.52 | Legorol | zomb, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ |
| 03:07.55 | Legorol | patch 1.12 info |
| 03:07.57 | Legorol | cross-realm BGs |
| 03:08.00 | Legorol | yayness! |
| 03:08.07 | Legorol | no more waiting for queues.. |
| 03:08.43 | Kebinusan | I like the overworld objectives |
| 03:08.45 | Kebinusan | thats hot |
| 03:08.47 | Legorol | that too |
| 03:08.53 | Legorol | i like the sound of 1.12 |
| 03:08.59 | Legorol | a lot |
| 03:09.09 | Legorol | finally a content patch where the content is relevant for non-60s too :) |
| 03:09.18 | Legorol | so far i could only look forward to non-content changes |
| 03:09.43 | Legorol | but the cross-realm BGs... that must mean some serious rearchitecturing on Blizz's side |
| 03:09.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-81-92.onelinkpr.net) |
| 03:09.53 | Legorol | they'll have to handle hand-off of data between multiple data centers |
| 03:09.57 | Legorol | that's a tall order |
| 03:10.35 | MentalPower | Cairenn, zespri_work: sorry i was AFK |
| 03:10.38 | MentalPower | hello folks |
| 03:10.46 | Legorol | hi |
| 03:10.47 | Cairenn | no worries MentalPower :) |
| 03:10.55 | Legorol | MentalPower: did you see the 1.12 underdev page? |
| 03:11.06 | MentalPower | erm, no |
| 03:11.09 | Legorol | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ |
| 03:12.04 | MentalPower | whoa! |
| 03:12.16 | Legorol | indeed |
| 03:12.22 | Legorol | oh, they have new tips on loading screen |
| 03:12.29 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Unless they stay inside the same datacenter, which is still lots of work, but doesn't require the same insane infrastructure |
| 03:12.43 | Legorol | but then it's not really connecting all the realms |
| 03:12.52 | Mikk1 | They're actually stating "ALL" realms? |
| 03:12.54 | Legorol | well as far as i am aware, they have the basic technology |
| 03:13.06 | Legorol | since instances already involve handing off data to a different server |
| 03:13.10 | Mikk1 | " players from several realms will be combined into one huge matchmaking pool." |
| 03:13.12 | Legorol | so they just have to extend that |
| 03:13.16 | Legorol | ah |
| 03:13.18 | Legorol | good point |
| 03:13.23 | Legorol | maybe they won't make it cross-data center |
| 03:13.24 | Mikk1 | my money is on inside-datacenter |
| 03:13.29 | Legorol | actually... |
| 03:13.30 | Mikk1 | which is stil great though |
| 03:13.35 | Legorol | there is an issue with old vs. new realms |
| 03:13.44 | Legorol | i wonder if they will still keep intra-realm queues too |
| 03:13.52 | Mikk1 | haha arf |
| 03:13.57 | Legorol | otherwise, the lvl 60 BGs will be silly |
| 03:14.03 | Mikk1 | "Sorry, your realm filled up while you were PVPing. We're kicking you out now, kthxbai" |
| 03:14.07 | Legorol | well established guilds in Tier 3 will wipe the rest of the realms |
| 03:14.42 | Mikk1 | It won't be the same problem though |
| 03:14.50 | Mikk1 | Since there'll be so damn many BGs running |
| 03:14.56 | Mikk1 | Sure you'll get your ass kicked once in a while |
| 03:15.17 | Mikk1 | But next time you'll meet someone else |
| 03:15.26 | JoshBorke | mmm, tier 3 paladin kicking someone's ass... |
| 03:15.36 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 03:15.54 | JoshBorke | though i do honestly drool over all that +heal |
| 03:15.56 | Mikk1 | i have a nutty pally in my guild who likes to take on people 2 at a time |
| 03:16.06 | Mikk1 | he actually pulls it off most of the time too |
| 03:16.13 | Mikk1 | ok, not against the really sharp PVPers but |
| 03:16.29 | JoshBorke | yea, i could see it working, they can do pretty well |
| 03:16.31 | Legorol | wow! undead outside SW |
| 03:16.38 | Legorol | what's going on? |
| 03:16.41 | JoshBorke | and inside too! |
| 03:16.46 | JoshBorke | the scourge invasion! |
| 03:16.49 | JoshBorke | they need yoru help legorol! |
| 03:16.51 | JoshBorke | kill them! |
| 03:17.00 | Mikk1 | o.O |
| 03:17.07 | Legorol | JoshBorke: eh uh? |
| 03:17.20 | Mikk1 | am i missing a world event or is your sw just getting raided? |
| 03:17.34 | Legorol | it's awesome graphics... but they are like level 7 |
| 03:17.36 | Mikk1 | (hrm, world event at 5 in the morning on eu servers... not bloody likely) |
| 03:17.45 | Legorol | world event? |
| 03:17.53 | JoshBorke | oh, lvl 7's... |
| 03:17.53 | Legorol | there are world events with this patch? |
| 03:18.00 | JoshBorke | just the random attacks i believe |
| 03:18.02 | Legorol | that's ncie.. |
| 03:18.06 | Mikk1 | Legorol: i have no idea |
| 03:18.06 | Legorol | when and where? |
| 03:18.07 | zenzelezz | Legorol: that's what he was asking |
| 03:18.12 | JoshBorke | each of the different zones get attacked |
| 03:18.20 | JoshBorke | but that's all i know of |
| 03:18.23 | Mikk1 | oho |
| 03:18.24 | Cide | undercity/stormwind get random attacks by elites |
| 03:18.35 | Legorol | cool |
| 03:18.35 | JoshBorke | it's like a free servant of svine! |
| 03:18.36 | Legorol | when? |
| 03:18.41 | JoshBorke | randomly |
| 03:18.42 | Cide | random attacks :P |
| 03:18.44 | Legorol | ah |
| 03:18.45 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 03:18.54 | Legorol | well i don't seem to get anythign for killing these guys |
| 03:18.55 | Mikk1 | hehe, random attacks randomly |
| 03:19.20 | Legorol | and more to the point: |
| 03:19.20 | JoshBorke | i think there is a quest at the entrance to SW |
| 03:19.27 | Legorol | they chased away the poor wolves in Elwynn |
| 03:19.34 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 03:19.34 | Legorol | how am i to farm wolf meat for cooking now? |
| 03:19.56 | Legorol | i will have to make a lvl 1 to see what happens |
| 03:19.58 | JoshBorke | there's a AD guy next to marcus jonathan, he tried to give me a quest |
| 03:20.07 | zenzelezz | how rude |
| 03:21.01 | JoshBorke | indeed, i considered submitting a harassment ticket |
| 03:21.14 | MentalPower | anyone noticed that the Launcher.exe now has the WoW version number (1.11.0.5428) in its title bar? |
| 03:21.23 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:21.32 | Legorol | i guess i'll go see Jonny boy then |
| 03:21.50 | JoshBorke | oh yea, anyone else noticing the chatframes get set to the last one? |
| 03:22.02 | JoshBorke | when you log in |
| 03:22.09 | zenzelezz | I had that in 1.10 too |
| 03:23.23 | Legorol | i have that too |
| 03:23.29 | Legorol | by the way, can i just say, this is really cool |
| 03:23.36 | Legorol | they just made a major change to a persistent world |
| 03:23.44 | Legorol | yay for development over time! |
| 03:23.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn (n=jbcc@d207-216-176-153.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 03:23.56 | Legorol | i know lots of people will say yeah but what about people who start playing now, etc. |
| 03:24.01 | Legorol | still, i think this is pretty cool |
| 03:24.02 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:24.04 | JoshBorke | *sigh* i just tried to type /g for guild chat |
| 03:24.09 | Legorol | and? |
| 03:24.13 | JoshBorke | in mirc |
| 03:24.16 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:24.23 | Legorol | that's funny |
| 03:24.32 | JoshBorke | sad, really. and i agree with you Legorol |
| 03:24.34 | JoshBorke | hi Esamynn |
| 03:24.40 | JoshBorke | i think it is cool too |
| 03:24.59 | Cairenn | ~beat Esamynn |
| 03:25.02 | purl | ACTION beats Esamynn with a wetfish |
| 03:25.25 | Esamynn | ~lart Cairenn |
| 03:25.30 | Esamynn | :P |
| 03:25.37 | Cairenn | ~whaleparry purl |
| 03:25.38 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry purl's attacks. |
| 03:25.52 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:25.55 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 03:25.55 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 03:26.00 | Cairenn | besides which, I'm not a he |
| 03:26.31 | Esamynn | yah, purl is confused |
| 03:26.32 | Cairenn | how goes Esamynn ;) |
| 03:26.40 | gnorlish | ~chippersnack Cairenn |
| 03:26.42 | purl | ACTION feeds Cairenn some nuts. |
| 03:26.42 | Esamynn | I'm good, you? |
| 03:26.43 | Cairenn | doing well |
| 03:26.49 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:26.51 | gnorlish | HAH |
| 03:27.00 | gnorlish | you better like those nuts too |
| 03:27.18 | Legorol | whm.. i just collected the items i need for this scourge quest... and.. the questgiver doesn't want to take them! |
| 03:27.20 | Legorol | how mean |
| 03:27.20 | JoshBorke | er, 2 questions |
| 03:27.41 | JoshBorke | for the fire festival quests |
| 03:27.41 | zenzelezz | Legorol: reputation requirement perhaps? |
| 03:27.49 | Kebinusan | the fire pet is lame |
| 03:27.50 | JoshBorke | how do i get the helm, and where's valor's rest? |
| 03:27.56 | Kebinusan | it should have been a mini ragnaros or somethin |
| 03:28.21 | zenzelezz | Valor's Rest is south of the road where Un'Goro meats Silithus; in the Silithus zone |
| 03:28.25 | zenzelezz | unless I'm mistaken |
| 03:28.33 | zenzelezz | erm... meets |
| 03:28.34 | JoshBorke | oooohhh, alll the way next to it |
| 03:28.45 | JoshBorke | wasn't it farther in before AQ? |
| 03:28.46 | zenzelezz | 05:30 grammar kicking in |
| 03:28.55 | Esamynn | JoshBorke: no |
| 03:29.00 | Esamynn | it has never moved |
| 03:29.10 | Esamynn | the flightpath used to goto Valor's Rest |
| 03:29.29 | JoshBorke | mmmk |
| 03:29.49 | Tem | oh man |
| 03:30.06 | Tem | terrible time for lag spikes |
| 03:30.30 | Tem | our server is dying |
| 03:30.42 | Esamynn | damn, this new Widget API page is going to drive me nuts, I've got to put the hierarchy back in! |
| 03:30.58 | Legorol | Esamynn: i beleive it was taken out on purpose |
| 03:31.09 | Legorol | i'd leave that page to Iriel ;-) |
| 03:31.23 | Legorol | you can't make it hierarchical anymore because of multiple inheritance |
| 03:32.03 | Esamynn | yah, I noticed that |
| 03:32.59 | JoshBorke | new FP in un'goro ftw |
| 03:33.48 | Esamynn | but still, the hierarchy was helpful and there has got to be way to make it make sense with the font type, without resorting to a flat structure :( |
| 03:34.19 | Tem | god damnit |
| 03:34.25 | Tem | now we have to do the supression rooms again |
| 03:34.36 | JoshBorke | ew, that sux |
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| 03:34.57 | Guillotine | Cide: you there? |
| 03:34.58 | Esamynn | Tem: well that was silly, why didn't you just kill Broodlord the first time? ;) |
| 03:35.05 | Cide | Guillotine: yes |
| 03:35.07 | Tem | *sigh* I hate raiding after a patch |
| 03:35.13 | Tem | and what's with the yellow resists? |
| 03:35.21 | Tem | I've never seen those before |
| 03:35.24 | Guillotine | any idea if its a problem with CTRA that is causing the raid info panel to continue popping up? |
| 03:35.29 | Cide | it's not |
| 03:35.37 | Guillotine | any idea what addon it is? |
| 03:35.39 | JoshBorke | what'd you change between today and yesterday? |
| 03:35.42 | Cide | "Blizzard" |
| 03:35.49 | JoshBorke | it's blizzard i think |
| 03:35.55 | Cide | inc some spam (forgive me) |
| 03:35.56 | Guillotine | lol. how the **** did that make it to live? |
| 03:35.57 | JoshBorke | i'm getting raid_roster_update fires |
| 03:36.06 | Cairenn | yeah, it's been talked about on the UI forums, as well |
| 03:36.07 | Cide | (04:25:09) (vulture) whenever you do certain things (type /raidinfo or open raid frame up) it sends a message to server asking for /raidinfo basically |
| 03:36.07 | Cide | (04:25:20) (vulture) but the raid info shit is so lagged it takes 1 minute to 5 hours before it replies |
| 03:36.11 | Cide | (04:25:40) (vulture) when you FINALLY GEt THE REPLY the raidinfoframe automatically pops up with the populated info |
| 03:36.24 | Cide | (04:25:47) (vulture) and if it was closed and opened itself up it will submit another /raidinfo |
| 03:36.37 | Cide | (04:26:00) (vulture) and <<lag>> and it opens up again, it submits another /raidinfo, and so on into infinity |
| 03:36.39 | Tem | Esamynn, well if we could stay connected and the server would give 30 second lag spikes we could |
| 03:36.45 | Guillotine | wow... thats horrible |
| 03:36.49 | Esamynn | eewwww |
| 03:36.53 | Tem | without the "challenge" of lag spikes broodlord is easy |
| 03:36.57 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 03:37.03 | Esamynn | tis true |
| 03:37.43 | JoshBorke | now where do i get the nifty flamefestival helm? |
| 03:38.21 | MentalPower | question, does WoW not clean the savedvariables of non-installed addons anymore? |
| 03:39.04 | JoshBorke | it didn't in 1.10 |
| 03:39.06 | Cide | it does, I'm pretty sure |
| 03:39.09 | Cide | yes it did, JoshBorke |
| 03:39.13 | JoshBorke | did it? |
| 03:39.19 | JoshBorke | oh wait, non-installed |
| 03:39.20 | Cide | that's what caused my UI to bug out |
| 03:39.21 | JoshBorke | not disabled |
| 03:39.57 | Mikk1 | my guess is that'd it'd leave those files alone |
| 03:40.02 | Mikk1 | since it wouldn't know to go look for them |
| 03:40.34 | MentalPower | I know it *used* to delete them, but I'm not so sure anymore |
| 03:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the easy to get a paramater from a slash command? |
| 03:40.39 | Kebinusan | that raidinfo button looks like alot of real thought went into it |
| 03:40.41 | Kebinusan | heh |
| 03:40.53 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: whatcha mean? |
| 03:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | /command paramater1 paramater2 |
| 03:41.18 | MentalPower | incomming pastebin |
| 03:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 03:41.27 | Legorol | oh sugar, i just ran into a lvl 60 elite monster in the Cathedral of Light |
| 03:41.33 | Legorol | shouldn't have attackd him :) |
| 03:41.46 | Guillotine | JoshBorke: you get the fire festival helm by visiting all of the camp fires belonging to the opposing faction |
| 03:41.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (i=usr17101@80.193.211.68) |
| 03:42.16 | JoshBorke | ah, ok |
| 03:42.19 | Mikk1 | ScytheBlade1: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_Defined_Functions |
| 03:42.30 | Mikk1 | specifically http://www.wowwiki.com/GetWords |
| 03:42.36 | MentalPower | well its only one line so here goes |
| 03:42.38 | MentalPower | local i,j, cmd, param = string.find(command, "^([^ ]+) (.+)$"); |
| 03:42.48 | MentalPower | rinse and repeat for more than two separate words |
| 03:43.18 | Legorol | unfortuantely that one will fail for a command that has no parameter |
| 03:43.43 | Tem | there needs to be 2 extra options on ready checks |
| 03:43.46 | Cairenn | mmrrh? |
| 03:43.46 | Tem | "almost" |
| 03:43.55 | Mikk1 | "GetWords" creates and returns a table =) |
| 03:43.57 | JoshBorke | lol tem |
| 03:44.01 | Tem | and "I've been ready for 10 fucking minutes. Lets' get this shit started already!" |
| 03:44.38 | JoshBorke | oh, i got an error when someone did a blizzard ready check |
| 03:44.43 | Legorol | i just typed /chatinfo LookingForGroup |
| 03:44.47 | Legorol | and i survived without crashing |
| 03:44.52 | Legorol | i guess it's not exactly prime time in EU |
| 03:44.56 | Cide | haha |
| 03:45.00 | Cide | I don't want to try here |
| 03:45.22 | Legorol | come on Cide, you know you want to! |
| 03:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | No no |
| 03:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Doomhammer is... LARGE |
| 03:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Total Characters:4,421,221 |
| 03:46.31 | zespri_work | who is svn guru? I just want to know is it possible to find if a certian file directory was ever in svn without doing full log /grep? |
| 03:47.51 | Legorol | zespri: do you know where it would've been? |
| 03:48.14 | Legorol | doing a full log | grep isn't that bad |
| 03:48.19 | Legorol | svn log | grep "file" |
| 03:48.21 | Legorol | go for it |
| 03:48.41 | zespri_work | *without* grep =) |
| 03:49.06 | Legorol | what's the file, do you know where it would've been if it had been in SVN? |
| 03:49.51 | Legorol | there are some special params you can pass to svn log, maybe you want to check those in the redbook |
| 03:50.23 | zespri_work | let assume I know, just to simplify task |
| 03:50.54 | zespri_work | looking at the redbook right now, but still no luck |
| 03:51.24 | Kaso | Cide: have you noticed that Raid_roster_update fires each pew even when you're not in a raid? looks like they took the easy way out in solving that bug you had. |
| 03:51.38 | Cide | heh, did they fix it? |
| 03:52.06 | Cide | as long as it fires when all data is available, I'm fine with that :) |
| 03:52.26 | Tem | Legorol, there's only 1500 people in my LFG channel |
| 03:52.57 | Legorol | cool, how did you count that :) |
| 03:53.50 | JoshBorke | shadow of doom > me |
| 03:53.52 | Tem | *I* didn't |
| 03:53.57 | Tem | JoshBorke, I can solo those |
| 03:54.06 | Tem | and unless you are melee, you can too |
| 03:54.22 | Tem | the trick is their abilities are capped at 20 yards |
| 03:54.25 | JoshBorke | paladin |
| 03:54.40 | Tem | you're boned |
| 03:54.43 | Kaso | I havent tried solo, but theyre's shacklable so i assume they'd be a walk in the park for a priest |
| 03:55.13 | Tem | actually, I've heard they're a cakewalk |
| 03:55.25 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:55.28 | JoshBorke | i'm a healadin |
| 03:55.32 | JoshBorke | 0 dps buffed |
| 03:55.32 | Tem | which-- I'm told-- is in fact *easier* than a walk in the pank |
| 03:55.35 | Tem | park* |
| 03:56.53 | Tem | but seriously, I really shouldn't be seeing yellow resists on my frost spells |
| 03:59.18 | Guillotine | how would you knock out the RaidInfoRequest function? |
| 03:59.22 | Guillotine | wouldn't this work: |
| 03:59.40 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.48 | Cide | no |
| 04:00.06 | Cide | /script RaidInfoRequest = function() DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("RaidInfo request denied"); end |
| 04:00.20 | Guillotine | right... |
| 04:02.59 | Guillotine | so I guess thats a temp fix |
| 04:05.38 | Cide | Legorol: for the record, /chatlist LFG wasn't bad at all |
| 04:05.42 | Cide | took like 2 seocnds |
| 04:08.20 | Esamynn | so let me get this straight, the RaidUI panel calls RaidInfoRequest when you open it? and if there is already one pending (for quite a while) the client will queue another one? |
| 04:09.56 | Guillotine | yup |
| 04:10.08 | Guillotine | kind of wierd :/ |
| 04:11.35 | JoshBorke | erm, soul revival? |
| 04:11.40 | Esamynn | yah, no kidding |
| 04:14.19 | Esamynn | oh no, I see, it submits a /raidinfo call if it opens in response to the event that the data has arrived, they should have put in a check for that |
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| 04:18.03 | Esamynn | ok, I think I found a more "sane" or sensible way of dealing with the multiple inheritence than just making the Widget API page flat |
| 04:20.36 | Esamynn | if I post this, might a few people look at it and tell me what I think so that I can roll it back quickly if I'm not actually making sense? |
| 04:21.12 | JoshBorke | let me see th original first, what's the link? |
| 04:22.13 | Esamynn | the Widget API page on wow wiki is what I'm dealing with, I'm just chaning formatting, but I'll post it in a sec, gonna change one more thing |
| 04:22.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 04:22.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's the Targetnearestmob script command? |
| 04:22.56 | JoshBorke | targetnearestenemy? |
| 04:24.11 | Esamynn | with proper caplitalisation |
| 04:27.46 | Esamynn | ok, i'm going to save this now, let me know what you think about the formatting change |
| 04:27.58 | Esamynn | I tried to get it back to closer to what it was like before |
| 04:29.06 | JoshBorke | does lua regex support optionals? |
| 04:29.17 | JoshBorke | ie, i want to match both 'cmd=param' and 'cmd param' |
| 04:29.54 | Esamynn | you mean like (<option1>|<option2>)? |
| 04:30.10 | JoshBorke | i guess just (%S+)[ |=](.-)$ |
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| 04:34.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 04:34.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | what am i doing wrong |
| 04:35.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | /script TargetNearestEnemy();Petattack();CastSpellByName("Auto Shot");SpellStopCasting();CastSpellByName("Hunter's Mark"); |
| 04:35.20 | kporter | did blizzard disallow custom sounds with 1.11? |
| 04:35.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | they broke the command |
| 04:35.49 | Esamynn | Slouken said it will be fixed for 1.11.1 |
| 04:36.05 | kporter | the sounds, or something posted before i got here? |
| 04:36.12 | Esamynn | the sounds |
| 04:36.24 | kporter | ok thanks, i miss my fishping |
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| 04:37.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah got my macro working |
| 04:37.39 | Kaso | Tem: so if you stay at >20 yrd from a Shadow of doom it cant hit you? |
| 04:37.52 | Tem | as far as I can tell, yes |
| 04:38.01 | Tem | I only observed 2 ways it could hurt you |
| 04:38.07 | Tem | Mind Flay and Melee damage |
| 04:38.19 | Tem | it also has a fear, but I was never hit by it |
| 04:38.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | the fear is like psychic scream iirc |
| 04:39.01 | Kaso | hmm, so you have to kite it? or what how do you make it stay out of the range |
| 04:39.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | root + nuke :P |
| 04:39.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | what class are you? |
| 04:39.28 | Kaso | Priest |
| 04:39.32 | Tem | Kite |
| 04:39.35 | Tem | Mage |
| 04:39.36 | Kaso | Im thinking of shackle mb shackle |
| 04:39.41 | Tem | sounds good to me |
| 04:39.46 | Tem | whats the range on MB? |
| 04:39.49 | Tem | 30 yards? |
| 04:39.53 | Kaso | 36 |
| 04:39.59 | Tem | the melee damage HURTS |
| 04:40.02 | Tem | so stay out |
| 04:40.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | shackle smite shackle |
| 04:40.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadow bad against undead :x |
| 04:40.32 | Kaso | just gotta clear the mobs around the crystal theres alot ;< |
| 04:41.01 | Tem | there are some solo Shadows around too |
| 04:41.15 | Esamynn | Tem: for nuking, Roots > Shakle ;) |
| 04:41.25 | Tem | that's where I was able to practice soloing them |
| 04:41.28 | Kaso | oh wtf! realm restarts and the crystal is at 100% now :< |
| 04:41.35 | Tem | more killin |
| 04:41.37 | Esamynn | :( |
| 04:41.46 | Esamynn | Tem makes a good point though |
| 04:41.52 | Tem | I was just running only stopping to rank1 frostbolt |
| 04:42.03 | Tem | fireblasts while running |
| 04:42.08 | Esamynn | sigh, I want to play, but I promised myself I would abstain this week so I actually get some sleep for a change |
| 04:42.14 | MentalPower | question, can anyone make a blank search on the AH (or make Auctioneer do a scan)? |
| 04:42.33 | Tem | whenever CS was up, I'd get in range and let it mindflay me, counter it and get a few nukes off before blinking out and continuing the kite |
| 04:42.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the PTR i was grinding 20+ of the undead at once |
| 04:42.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the premade mage |
| 04:42.54 | Tem | 20+? |
| 04:42.55 | Tem | weak |
| 04:43.00 | Tem | =P |
| 04:43.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | his gear wasn't the greatest |
| 04:43.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was a hodgepodge |
| 04:43.16 | Tem | aye |
| 04:43.21 | Tem | I had the premade as well |
| 04:43.33 | Tem | was able to handle half a spawn point |
| 04:43.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | just used FN then AE spammed |
| 04:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey guys - does typing \\n still disconnect you? |
| 04:43.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and icebarriered as it cooled down |
| 04:43.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | no sycthe |
| 04:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Aww |
| 04:44.02 | Esamynn | Scytheblade: since when did it? |
| 04:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn, a while ago. |
| 04:44.19 | Tem | I think I could have done more, but the adds in Azshara have that f'ing snare |
| 04:44.34 | Esamynn | I knew \n did, but I would have thought \\n would be safe |
| 04:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | just tried both of them |
| 04:45.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 04:45.23 | Esamynn | heh, no more \nice joke ;) |
| 04:48.26 | Tain | Wow Tem, there's an addon to remind you to turn on your tracking skills when you die called... FindRemind. |
| 04:48.33 | Tem | I know |
| 04:48.36 | Tem | found out after |
| 04:48.41 | Tem | too lazy to change the name |
| 04:48.56 | Tain | Forget it, your name is better. |
| 04:49.35 | Tem | FinderReminder |
| 04:50.37 | Esamynn | night Kaelten |
| 04:50.57 | Esamynn | on that note, I'm going to head for bed as well |
| 04:54.15 | Esamynn | night all |
| 04:55.25 | Tem | Can you accept (or even get) a group invite from someone on your ignore list? |
| 04:57.12 | MentalPower | Tem: dunno |
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| 05:02.45 | MentalPower | Tem: No, you cannot get group invites from ignored people |
| 05:04.18 | MentalPower | However you CAN send them invites and they can accept them, but you won't see what they say in party/raidchat |
| 05:11.52 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
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| 05:14.59 | xpl017 | is this chat about Private servers? |
| 05:15.45 | Kaso | no it is not, you'd be wise not to talk about things like that or Cairenn will eat you |
| 05:16.00 | Tem | MentalPower, that's a shame |
| 05:16.00 | Cairenn | no |
| 05:16.10 | Tem | I wanted to put 2 officers of my guild on ignore |
| 05:16.24 | gnorlish | ~lart xpl017 |
| 05:16.33 | Cairenn | it depends on what they want to talk about ... if it's how to use them, how to get support for them, I'll simply tell them that that type of conversation isn't allowed in the channel |
| 05:16.41 | xpl017 | lol |
| 05:16.44 | Tain | Ehn I do it sometimes, Tem. Some people just need ignoring. |
| 05:17.04 | Cairenn | if, however, it is a hypothetical conversation about them and the fact that they aren't allowed, then it would be allowed to continue |
| 05:17.26 | xpl017 | do you all play on a specific server? or is this for everyone? |
| 05:17.29 | Cairenn | so xpl017, which is it? |
| 05:17.53 | xpl017 | what? i wasnt listing sorry |
| 05:18.03 | Cairenn | this is a channel devoted to WoW UI Developer chat |
| 05:18.11 | xpl017 | oh ok sweet |
| 05:18.12 | Tain | Actually hah hah that just reminded me, the guild I was playing with when WoW first started had some real pieces of work in it. And I had let a friend log me on to play my Mage for something. He couldn't believe how much of the guild I had on ignore. |
| 05:18.22 | JoshBorke | anyone noticed some weird stuff with afk'ing? |
| 05:18.37 | gnorlish | at least you could ignore people |
| 05:18.43 | gnorlish | i'm an officer, i have to listen to everyone |
| 05:18.53 | gnorlish | which is why i have to leave sometimes |
| 05:18.59 | gnorlish | and cry softly to myself |
| 05:19.12 | Tain | One of the many reasons why I'm not an officer in a guild and likely will never be again. |
| 05:19.19 | JoshBorke | i think the roster updates clear afk status |
| 05:19.37 | JoshBorke | s/roster/raid info/ |
| 05:19.54 | JoshBorke | but then immediately put you back into AFK |
| 05:20.07 | Tain | Does it clear your idle status do you think? |
| 05:20.14 | JoshBorke | i don't know |
| 05:20.27 | JoshBorke | it looks like the longest strech i was marked afk was about 2 minutes |
| 05:20.31 | Tain | I suppose we we start seeing people afk and online for 20 hours |
| 05:20.51 | xpl017 | i play 3 toons on Kael'thas a 52 Undead Frost mage ( Magister of Ishbane Sorcers ) a 43 Undead Warlock ( also a member of Ishbane Sorcers ) and a 60 mage on a server of my friends |
| 05:20.52 | JoshBorke | i'll see what happens when i wake up :D |
| 05:20.57 | JoshBorke | anyway, night |
| 05:21.24 | xpl017 | oh and my priest... he is only lvl 23 though |
| 05:21.31 | Tain | JoshBorke is going to wake up banned for circumventing idle disconnect. ;) |
| 05:22.13 | Cairenn | xpl017: "and a 60 mage on a server of my friends" ... and would that be the emu server? |
| 05:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I need a good name for a druid |
| 05:22.50 | Tain | All druids should be named, "Healer" :) |
| 05:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Taken |
| 05:23.08 | xpl017 | err... been a while since ive been on irc... how do i wisper? |
| 05:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | /msg name message goes here |
| 05:23.24 | xpl017 | thnx |
| 05:23.36 | Tain | Of course if you're not registered with nickserv it won't go through. |
| 05:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really looking for a good druid name |
| 05:32.28 | zenzelezz | Drood |
| 05:39.04 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: find a language converter (ala BableFish) and stick "druid" in it, see if any of the translations sound interesting to you |
| 05:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Good idea |
| 05:39.34 | Cairenn | I do have those once in a while, but don't tell anyone, you'll ruin my reputation |
| 05:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Will do |
| 05:39.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Er |
| 05:39.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Won't do |
| 05:40.04 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually |
| 05:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | On one condition ;) |
| 05:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Help me out a little bit more with these buttons |
| 05:41.26 | Cairenn | not me |
| 05:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 05:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I just need some general pointers |
| 05:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I've looked at the two things you pointed me to, and I'm still slightly lost |
| 05:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | s/slightly/completly/ |
| 05:43.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it really that hard? ;P |
| 05:44.39 | zenzelezz | is this the same thing you were talking to Iriel about? |
| 05:44.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I need "HOWTO: Make a button to place on your action bar" |
| 05:45.08 | zenzelezz | then I still don't know what you're trying to do |
| 05:45.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ that |
| 05:45.16 | zenzelezz | your choice of words just confuse me |
| 05:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Open the spellbook |
| 05:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Drag a spell to your action bar |
| 05:45.29 | zenzelezz | you never place any buttons on the actionbar |
| 05:45.48 | zenzelezz | you assign a spell, macro or item ID to an existing actionbar button as far as I'm aware |
| 05:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Place a {ability, spell, item, macro} on the action bar |
| 05:46.14 | Kaso | Wasn't "Disable All" supposed to obey charater selection this patch? |
| 05:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to make a (something) that I can stick on the actionbar |
| 05:46.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That is not a macro |
| 05:46.45 | zenzelezz | why not a macro? |
| 05:46.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Macros spam the chat history log |
| 05:47.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Run a macro, open the chat box, and hit alt+up |
| 05:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Macro spam |
| 05:48.13 | zenzelezz | I shouldn't be talking about this since I haven't actually done anything about it; but I wouldn't count on being able to make a custom thingamajig that could be assigned to a button |
| 05:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 05:49.13 | zenzelezz | I don't know how the server stores them or calls them though; and I could easily be wrong |
| 05:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I can see why you would be right |
| 05:51.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's just so depressing :/ |
| 05:51.57 | xpl017 | good night all... |
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| 05:52.08 | Cairenn | night xpl017, good to meet you |
| 05:53.33 | Kaso | I cant for the life of me work out why MobInfo2 is erroring -_- |
| 05:53.59 | Kaso | its saying it's OnLoad() is nil and yet it clearly should be defined |
| 06:00.34 | zespri_work | huh? http://www.apcstart.com/site/images/vu-wow-realm-release.pdf |
| 06:02.21 | Kaso | $25 owch |
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| 06:21.48 | s|loup | HI |
| 06:21.53 | s|loup | ups |
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| 06:32.39 | s|loup | cairenn what is best place for a thread about requests for ui/api changes in 1.12 at wowinterface? |
| 06:33.12 | s|loup | chit-chat? |
| 06:33.14 | Cairenn | " Wish List A place for AUTHORS to post their requests to Blizzard about api functions/interface features for possible inclusion. |
| 06:33.14 | Cairenn | NOT for end users to post mod requests." |
| 06:33.25 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15 |
| 06:33.37 | s|loup | ah just ignored ^^ |
| 06:33.41 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:33.46 | s|loup | thanks |
| 06:33.50 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 06:35.24 | AnduinLothar | moo |
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| 06:47.43 | MoonWolf | woof |
| 07:08.20 | Tarog | oink |
| 07:12.50 | Kaso | dogs and pigs, dear god, over evil overlords are here to supress us!1 |
| 07:16.25 | MoonWolf | <- wolves! read damnit read. *barks* |
| 07:18.11 | Kaso | i released by my animal farm referance wouldnt have worked with wolfs |
| 07:18.14 | Kaso | close enough |
| 07:18.38 | Wobin | two legs baaaad four legs gooooood |
| 07:19.22 | Kaso | man i cant find any Dark Iron Scraps :< |
| 07:19.41 | gnorlish | inside / outside brd |
| 07:19.59 | gnorlish | the elite elementals and humanoids drop them in 2's to 4's |
| 07:20.08 | Kaso | whats the rate drop meant to be like |
| 07:20.17 | gnorlish | not very good for non-elites |
| 07:20.24 | gnorlish | 50% if you're very lucky |
| 07:20.28 | gnorlish | and fighting high level mobs |
| 07:20.54 | Kaso | killing the elites outside brd ive got 1 drop so far for like 15 kills |
| 07:21.14 | gnorlish | go inside, kill the fire elementals |
| 07:21.22 | gnorlish | they drop 2 different quest items |
| 07:22.14 | Kaso | the fire elementals in Searing gorge? |
| 07:22.19 | krka|work | animal farm? is that some new battleground or something? |
| 07:22.28 | gnorlish | the fire elementals in brd |
| 07:22.50 | gnorlish | depending on what class you are, you can take groups of 2 humanoids and an elem or more |
| 07:23.18 | Kaso | hmm |
| 07:23.21 | gnorlish | there are 3 fire elementals that pat around in the first 100 yards though, you can just run and reset |
| 07:23.28 | Kaso | ill take a look, dont have a key though. |
| 07:23.36 | gnorlish | you do need the key :) |
| 07:23.37 | MoonWolf | krka, its a book |
| 07:23.40 | MoonWolf | a brilliant book. |
| 07:23.41 | gnorlish | or a way to open the lock |
| 07:23.42 | MoonWolf | go read it. |
| 07:25.01 | krka|work | i'll wait for the movie |
| 07:25.17 | MoonWolf | there is one |
| 07:25.22 | gnorlish | it's a cartoon! |
| 07:25.26 | MoonWolf | its a cartoon though |
| 07:25.32 | MoonWolf | what gnorlish said. |
| 07:32.52 | krka|work | it's not one of those brainy thingies right? i hate those |
| 07:32.59 | krka|work | thinking is for n00bs |
| 07:33.01 | Kaso | it sorta is |
| 07:33.15 | Kaso | its about politics |
| 07:34.27 | krka|work | omg like voting and debatacles and stuff? |
| 07:35.08 | MoonWolf | its about the communist revolution |
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| 07:36.36 | Kaso | as wiki says: Animal Farm is a thinly veiled critique and satire of Soviet totalitarianism and to a lesser extent capitalism. |
| 07:37.04 | Cairenn | some pigs are more equal than other pigs |
| 07:37.43 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 07:37.54 | MoonWolf | but all pigs are more equal then other farm animals. |
| 07:38.17 | Cairenn | although some dogs come close |
| 07:38.39 | krka|work | whoa, you're all way over my head :( |
| 07:39.17 | Cairenn | quotes from, and references to, the book |
| 07:40.06 | Kaso | I hate it when an addon causes a error in the framexml, its a pain to track down |
| 07:40.44 | MoonWolf | damnit |
| 07:48.26 | Kaso | How come i can never get the Maypole buff. |
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| 08:44.11 | Kaso | Soloing Dooms is hard. |
| 08:47.21 | Elkano | does anyone know a good actionbar addon with a small memory footprint? BibMod has > 2mb :/ |
| 08:54.40 | Cairenn | check out bongos |
| 08:55.02 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4744 |
| 09:01.01 | Elkano | ok, I'll do :) |
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| 09:06.38 | MoonWolf | Elkano, idactionbars |
| 09:06.47 | MoonWolf | but you configure it by changing the code :P |
| 09:16.41 | Elkano | hope clad will release a new MiniBlizzRaid, soon :) |
| 09:17.15 | Elkano | btw: anyone also experiencing double unit tooltips? |
| 09:20.09 | Cairenn | tons of folks |
| 09:24.26 | Elkano | ok, seems to be a 'bug' with TipBuddy |
| 09:25.03 | Kaso | The Two tooltips bug? |
| 09:25.34 | Cairenn | not just tipbuddy |
| 09:25.55 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=397675&p=1&tmp=1#post397675 |
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| 09:30.43 | Kebinusan | yeah |
| 09:31.01 | Kebinusan | tip buddy has other annoying bugs, like the tooltip seems to cycle through targets or something |
| 09:32.17 | Cairenn | it is still working perfectly fine for me, other than the double tooltip thing, which I can not blame on it as it seems to be happening with other mods as well |
| 09:32.35 | Kebinusan | Here is a version with teh double tooltip thign fixed if you dont want to edit it yourself: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4767-MovePad.html |
| 09:32.58 | Kebinusan | err |
| 09:33.00 | Kebinusan | wrong ling |
| 09:33.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:33.03 | Kebinusan | *link |
| 09:33.13 | Kebinusan | http://www.simplicity-guild.com/TipBuddy.zip |
| 09:37.24 | Kaso | You know whats annoying, if your the raid leader and you type a message your text in the editbox is the same colour as the raid channel is set, not the raidleader colour |
| 09:40.15 | Kebinusan | I find the new targeting icons annoying |
| 09:40.22 | Kebinusan | there is no option to disable them on your client |
| 09:40.36 | Kaso | we can customise the textures for them right? |
| 09:42.17 | Kebinusan | not sure, but I feel like Im watching a lucky charms commercial |
| 09:42.59 | Kaso | Try replacing the texutres with a transparent, problem solved |
| 09:43.18 | Kebinusan | havent tried really, they took out the old reskinning thing |
| 09:43.31 | krka|work | the new mob-tagging-stuff is cool |
| 09:43.39 | krka|work | i think you could do some nifty things with it |
| 09:44.13 | Kebinusan | yeah its neat, but the icons are annoying, and a bit intrusive as they are overly solid... that and you cannot disable them should you not want to see them |
| 09:44.41 | krka|work | i am thinking we can finally seperate mobs with identical names :) |
| 09:45.08 | krka|work | has anyone tried setting index to something high? |
| 09:45.12 | krka|work | i.e. passed the icon range? |
| 09:48.39 | Elkano | ok, bongos (almost) won so far :) but it's ABInfo addon isn't working :( |
| 09:49.05 | Elkano | so no cooldown nor 'times castable' :( |
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| 09:51.12 | Kebinusan | get omni cooldown or something like that from wowi |
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| 10:04.16 | Cairenn | wow, it's 6am ... I should probably sleep or something |
| 10:07.16 | MoonWolf | night |
| 10:12.22 | Elkano | Kebinusan, Omni will most like work for cooldowns... but is there an other mod that would show how often you'll be able to cast the spell based on your current mana? |
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| 10:14.20 | [Wobin] | Woot |
| 10:14.24 | Elkano | hmm? |
| 10:14.27 | [Wobin] | Guild nudie run to the horde cities |
| 10:14.31 | [Wobin] | For the HAT |
| 10:14.56 | Elkano | btw: how to get the event pet? |
| 10:16.34 | Kaso | run around touching fires? |
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| 10:21.18 | Wobin | in the instances |
| 10:21.42 | Wobin | DM, LBRS, Strat Live and one other |
| 10:22.30 | Elkano | ok, so no can do for me :( |
| 10:23.17 | Wobin | You can only get the quest at 50 |
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| 10:59.50 | krka|work | haha ubuntu discussion in this old version of veronica mars |
| 11:00.59 | chuckg | Woot. |
| 11:01.04 | chuckg | 1.11 fixed my UI dropdown error! |
| 11:01.08 | chuckg | That can only mean one thing. |
| 11:01.12 | chuckg | Blizz was at fault. |
| 11:01.13 | chuckg | (easy way out) |
| 11:04.42 | AnduinLothar | lol, direct quote from cosmos forums: "For some reason, I can not turn Sky on because it casuses me to crash to the password screen." |
| 11:04.54 | AnduinLothar | pwned |
| 11:05.27 | AnduinLothar | I love how Sky is still the local skapegoat. |
| 11:05.51 | AnduinLothar | No one has a clue how its voodoo magic works so it's automagicly to blame. |
| 11:06.44 | AnduinLothar | I should rename it and just embedd it and see if people start blaming the right thing |
| 11:07.12 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 11:07.19 | MoonWolf | AnduinLothar, ban him for being an idiot. |
| 11:08.04 | AnduinLothar | i cant ban idiots, i'd lose half my user base |
| 11:08.16 | s|loup | lol |
| 11:08.54 | MoonWolf | who cares about users anyway, we dont! |
| 11:09.03 | MoonWolf | actually we do, but ignore that. |
| 11:09.16 | krka|work | users sux |
| 11:09.26 | krka|work | i only care for users who pay me :) |
| 11:09.45 | MoonWolf | i think you call those peope clients. |
| 11:11.24 | AnduinLothar | users that pay you sux, then you feel obligated to do what they want |
| 11:11.46 | clad|sleep | Anyone run into any crazy issues with WatchDog or PR? My tests on the PTR were limited, but they appeared to work over there as well |
| 11:11.48 | AnduinLothar | i prefer money trees |
| 11:12.37 | MoonWolf | PR worked fine so far. |
| 11:12.42 | MoonWolf | cant comment on WD |
| 11:30.14 | AnduinLothar | mikk1, you around? |
| 11:43.12 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: now that i sorted the pages into the correct categories, i suggested to Mikk that we allow all three of: |
| 11:43.18 | Legorol | - page only in AddOns |
| 11:43.21 | Legorol | - page only in Cosmos AddOns |
| 11:43.23 | Legorol | - page in both |
| 11:43.50 | Legorol | which is back to where we were before yesterday, but at least now the pages are labelled correctly |
| 11:44.13 | Legorol | plus, make a template and place it on Cosmos AddOns pages explaining these are AddOns *in* the distribution, rather than being optionally dependent on it |
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| 12:20.01 | Legorol | sometimes i wonder.. |
| 12:20.13 | Legorol | user post: |
| 12:20.14 | Legorol | Try disabling background downloader. Coz this bugger stuffs up your outbound bandwidth like hell. When downloading the WoW 1.11 patch (and ofc uploading it at the same time) i couldn't even browse any of the web. |
| 12:20.20 | wereHamster | how do I access the text labels in tooltips? |
| 12:20.35 | Legorol | wereHamster: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 12:20.49 | Legorol | if anything's not clear, come back and ask |
| 12:21.20 | wereHamster | CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "TargetRangeTooltip") and TargetRangeTooltipTextLeft1 is nil .. |
| 12:23.10 | Legorol | yeah that's because of some changes in 1.11 |
| 12:23.19 | Legorol | um, let me look it up |
| 12:23.37 | Legorol | right, here we go |
| 12:23.48 | Legorol | tooltips created via CreateFrame start off with 0 TextLeft objects |
| 12:23.50 | Legorol | * NEW GameTooltip:AddFontStrings(leftstring, rightstring) - Dynamically expands the size of a tooltip. |
| 12:24.15 | Legorol | i haven't tried this, so i don't know if this names them TextLeftX and TextRightX etc., but i'd imagine it does |
| 12:24.22 | wereHamster | ah.. so it doesn't inherit from the GameTooltipTemplate.. |
| 12:24.26 | Legorol | no |
| 12:24.30 | Legorol | if you want that, you'd have to do: |
| 12:24.33 | wereHamster | now it's clear.. |
| 12:24.38 | Legorol | CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "TargetRangeTooltip", "GameTooltipTemplate") |
| 12:24.42 | Legorol | that's probably easier solution |
| 12:24.57 | wereHamster | I thought the third argument is the parent ? |
| 12:25.02 | Legorol | ehm, wait |
| 12:25.22 | Legorol | you are right |
| 12:25.22 | Legorol | * UPDATED frame = CreateFrame("frameType" [,"name"] [,parent] [,"inheritsFrom"]) - Added virtual Frame inheritance. (Future PTR build) |
| 12:29.17 | wereHamster | so all the templates are now kept in memory? or are they loaded as needed? |
| 12:36.22 | wereHamster | uhm.. and did anything in the font API change? this piece of code prints "Font" to the chatframe but then at :SetText() an error pops up "Font not set" http://pastebin.ca/69034 |
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| 12:45.42 | Industrial | http://pastebin.ca/69036 |
| 12:45.53 | Industrial | some help appreciated |
| 12:45.54 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:46.33 | Legorol | wereHamster: yes it keeps templates in memory |
| 12:48.00 | Legorol | wereHamster: there are two things i can think of: 1) bug in WoW 2) have you actually set up the properties of TargetRangeFont? |
| 12:48.06 | Legorol | your code looks like it should work |
| 12:48.21 | Industrial | mine? |
| 12:48.25 | Legorol | sorry no wereHamster |
| 12:48.30 | Industrial | hehe k |
| 12:48.31 | Legorol | now i'll look at Industrial's |
| 12:48.33 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 12:49.18 | wereHamster | .. permissions wrong.. who would have thought that I need execution rights to list a directory.. |
| 12:50.32 | Legorol | Industrial: i am just reading through, but there is a typo i just spotted: |
| 12:50.32 | Legorol | Buttom:ClearAllPoints() |
| 12:50.56 | End | half button/half bottom? |
| 12:51.05 | Industrial | hehe |
| 12:51.23 | Legorol | ok Industrial, here is what you do |
| 12:51.30 | Industrial | The problem is that I want Mainbar to wrap around my buttons and then be able to move that |
| 12:51.37 | Legorol | you need to reverse your logic: rather than anchoring the bar to the buttons, you need to anchor the buttons to the bar |
| 12:51.51 | Industrial | But I dont know the width of the buttons |
| 12:51.52 | Legorol | since your buttons are already anchored to each other, that's good |
| 12:51.59 | Legorol | hm, i see the problem |
| 12:52.09 | Legorol | ok, then how'bout this: |
| 12:52.14 | Legorol | you go ahead with anchoring like you are now, |
| 12:52.26 | Legorol | i.e. anchor the frame to the buttons (and not the other way round) |
| 12:52.30 | Industrial | yes |
| 12:52.39 | Legorol | when it comes to moving stuff, then move Button1! |
| 12:52.49 | Legorol | that's the only object that has no anchor, which you can move around |
| 12:52.53 | Legorol | everything else will move with it |
| 12:53.00 | Legorol | you just need to do it in a clever way: |
| 12:53.16 | Legorol | when the user tries to move the bar frame, your code should actually move button1 |
| 12:53.39 | Legorol | since the top-left of Button1 coincides with the top-left of your frame, it shouldn't be that hard |
| 12:53.57 | Industrial | hmmm, lemme try something :) |
| 12:54.12 | Legorol | btw, how do you intend for the enduser to move the whole thing around? |
| 12:54.20 | Legorol | will there be something they can drag? |
| 12:54.45 | Legorol | if you tell me what visual feature will they be able to move/drag, i can give more tips |
| 12:57.46 | Industrial | It's as basic as it can be |
| 12:57.57 | Industrial | 36 buttons centered on the bottom, thats it |
| 12:58.11 | Industrial | http://pastebin.ca/69041 |
| 12:58.24 | Industrial | oops, fixed the typo |
| 12:59.11 | Industrial | and () in the return |
| 13:01.11 | Industrial | lemme try it :-) |
| 13:02.11 | Legorol | Industrial: but what will the user click on to move the bar around? |
| 13:02.17 | Legorol | what did you have in mind? |
| 13:02.18 | Industrial | He cant |
| 13:02.19 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:02.46 | Industrial | I like to play with 3 bars, so I'm making this |
| 13:02.53 | Industrial | than I upload it to the ace svn for people to use |
| 13:02.55 | Industrial | then* |
| 13:03.13 | Legorol | that GetWidth code will not work |
| 13:03.45 | Legorol | hm, actually it might |
| 13:04.07 | Legorol | i was thinking about scaling issues, but i think you are probably ok |
| 13:04.13 | Legorol | btw, you need (last-first)+1 |
| 13:04.41 | Industrial | why? |
| 13:05.32 | Legorol | think about it, 12 buttons in a row should give a 12* factor, right? |
| 13:05.35 | Legorol | but (12-1) = 11 |
| 13:05.47 | Legorol | same for 24-13 etc. |
| 13:05.48 | Industrial | oh right |
| 13:06.04 | Legorol | typo: Mainbar:SetWidth(h*3) should be SetHeight |
| 13:06.31 | Industrial | ack |
| 13:06.31 | Industrial | :p |
| 13:06.57 | Legorol | are the widths and heights of the buttons statically defined in XML? |
| 13:07.18 | Legorol | or via SetWidth/SetHeight somewhere else in the code? |
| 13:08.04 | Industrial | they are directly inherited from ActionButtonTemplate |
| 13:08.34 | Industrial | Hm I should give the bar a background |
| 13:08.35 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:09.34 | JoshBorie | morning |
| 13:09.41 | Industrial | hi JoshBorie |
| 13:10.15 | Legorol | Industrial: i have a question i still don't understand |
| 13:10.24 | Legorol | if you are not going to move the whole thing at all, |
| 13:10.32 | Legorol | does it matter if you anchor button to bar or bar to button? |
| 13:11.10 | Industrial | Legorol: I want the whole thing to be centered |
| 13:11.23 | Legorol | right |
| 13:11.33 | Legorol | then the button anchored to bar is indeed better |
| 13:11.47 | Industrial | I want to make a full bar replacement some time |
| 13:11.56 | Industrial | but i need a good idea of it first |
| 13:12.08 | MoonWolf | i want abinfo to work on indu' s bar |
| 13:12.12 | MoonWolf | but it doesnt :( |
| 13:13.18 | Industrial | MoonWolf: Later(tm) |
| 13:13.23 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 13:15.29 | Industrial | works! |
| 13:15.30 | Industrial | :D |
| 13:17.01 | Industrial | http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3972/wowscrnshot0622061516113jk.jpg |
| 13:17.05 | Industrial | sexy sexy |
| 13:25.33 | Wobin | Any mages here? |
| 13:25.58 | Wobin | I need some play advice |
| 13:30.02 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.04 | Industrial | thats just cool |
| 13:30.05 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:30.21 | Industrial | oh wait, BUT ITS WRONG |
| 13:30.56 | JoshBorie | ( Wobin ): where's FuXPFu?! |
| 13:31.01 | JoshBorie | i must download from SVN! |
| 13:31.11 | Wobin | Didn't you see the screenshot? |
| 13:31.24 | Wobin | oh, it's on the aceforum |
| 13:31.25 | Wobin | one sec |
| 13:31.31 | JoshBorie | oh, it's just called FuXP? |
| 13:32.01 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:32.05 | Wobin | well |
| 13:32.12 | JoshBorie | hm, what's the folder on SVN? |
| 13:32.14 | Wobin | the folder is FuBar_FuXPFu I think =P |
| 13:32.55 | Wobin | http://imageshack.us/ |
| 13:32.57 | Wobin | gah |
| 13:33.10 | Wobin | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9265/fuxpfu8aa.png |
| 13:36.25 | JoshBorie | ( Wobin ): i saw the screenshot, that's why i wanted it :D |
| 13:42.59 | JoshBorie | ( Wobin ): if you switch which rep you watch, it doesn't update the bar |
| 13:45.30 | Wobin | It doesn't? |
| 13:45.38 | Wobin | Oh I have to update some of that code anyway |
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| 13:47.08 | kaso| | Damn DC :< I tried to ask: Does CastSpell have an onSelf Argument too? |
| 13:47.18 | Wobin | Sure it does... you have to mouse over the icon though |
| 13:47.37 | End | are you sure? |
| 13:47.46 | kaso| | hu? |
| 13:47.47 | End | CastSpellByName didn't until recently |
| 13:47.57 | End | but I didn't think they changed CastSpell |
| 13:48.04 | End | oh, Wobin is talking about rep thing |
| 13:48.11 | kaso| | oh ;> |
| 13:48.12 | Wobin | Yeah, sorry, should have specified |
| 13:48.19 | kaso| | So no onSelf |
| 13:48.48 | Wobin | I'm pretty sure -one- of those sorts of functions had a onSelf argument or something |
| 13:48.56 | End | UseAction always did |
| 13:49.01 | End | CastSpellByName recently got it |
| 13:49.06 | End | (I think) |
| 13:49.08 | Wobin | JoshBorie: Sure it does change, you have to mouse over the icon to show the tooltip though |
| 13:49.55 | End | Checking the wiki, it seems to agree |
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| 13:50.40 | Kaso | Stupid internet! |
| 13:50.44 | Wobin | <End> UseAction always did |
| 13:50.44 | Wobin | <End> CastSpellByName recently got it |
| 13:50.44 | Wobin | <End> (I think) |
| 13:50.44 | Wobin | <Wobin> JoshBorie: Sure it does change, you have to mouse over the icon to show the tooltip though |
| 13:50.44 | Wobin | <-- Kaso has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 13:50.45 | End | yarg |
| 13:50.45 | Wobin | <End> Checking the wiki, it seems to agree |
| 13:51.00 | Wobin | . o O (DINGDINGDINGDING) |
| 13:51.14 | End | . o O (MooMooMooMooMoo) |
| 13:51.26 | JoshBorie | ah, ok |
| 13:51.26 | Wobin | Oh, your client moos when it hits your name? =) |
| 13:51.33 | End | no |
| 13:51.38 | End | it doesn't make any noise at all :P |
| 13:51.42 | JoshBorie | cool |
| 13:51.58 | End | and it thinks <End> is someone else than End is |
| 13:51.59 | Wobin | I'm updating it a fraction though, for the click capability |
| 13:52.06 | JoshBorie | where's the fire in UD? |
| 13:52.08 | End | although |
| 13:52.11 | End | I should make it moo |
| 13:52.13 | Wobin | UD? |
| 13:52.18 | JoshBorie | er, UC |
| 13:52.22 | End | midsummer fire stuff |
| 13:52.22 | Wobin | Upstairs |
| 13:52.27 | Wobin | in the old throne room |
| 13:52.31 | End | just started yesterday I think |
| 13:52.36 | Wobin | Easiest of the lot to get to |
| 13:52.44 | Wobin | I had the most problems getting to the fire in Org |
| 13:52.50 | Wobin | TB and UC, no deaths =) |
| 13:52.55 | End | Wobin must be alliance |
| 13:53.05 | Wobin | I went and got the halo =) |
| 13:53.08 | Wobin | nekkid guild run |
| 13:53.24 | JoshBorie | i'm running by meself |
| 13:53.32 | Wobin | What class? |
| 13:53.35 | End | I fell asleep after getting home last night, so I didn't get to see. |
| 13:53.35 | JoshBorie | paladin |
| 13:53.40 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:53.55 | JoshBorie | i expect to die several times |
| 13:53.57 | Wobin | As a priest, I found, even when mobbed, a fear could give enough time to activate the fire |
| 13:54.08 | Wobin | The horde on our server were quite nice about the whole thing |
| 13:54.18 | Wobin | One of them kept sheeping our pally to keep her alive =) |
| 13:54.24 | JoshBorie | lol |
| 13:54.32 | End | well...I can stealth in....but I wonder about actual activation |
| 13:54.38 | End | how long is the cast time to do it? |
| 13:54.45 | Wobin | It's generally clear around the fire itself |
| 13:54.47 | Wobin | ie no aggro |
| 13:54.50 | End | neat |
| 13:54.55 | Wobin | (at least from guards) |
| 13:54.56 | End | I should have no problem then |
| 13:55.15 | End | when the lunar stuff was going on, I got the IF and Stormwind thingies |
| 13:55.20 | End | the talk to the person thingies |
| 13:55.24 | End | coins were they? |
| 13:55.26 | Wobin | yea |
| 13:55.36 | Wobin | this festival gives no rep though =( |
| 13:55.39 | Wobin | which made me a sad panda |
| 13:55.43 | End | yeah, I didn't bother with the Night Elf one though, that was too far out of the way |
| 13:55.58 | End | well, on the WoW.com events page, I see a +heal consumable |
| 13:56.03 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:56.04 | End | that makes it worth it to me |
| 13:56.04 | JoshBorie | so, who's betting on how many times i die? |
| 13:56.11 | End | <-- druid |
| 13:56.11 | Wobin | the ... s'mores |
| 13:56.20 | krka|work | man, it really sucks when you can't update your addon because there's nothing more to add to it |
| 13:56.24 | JoshBorie | +44, mmmm |
| 13:56.45 | Wobin | JoshBorie: Once for Orgrimmar if you head in through the back door |
| 13:56.55 | Wobin | none for TB if you're lucky |
| 13:57.07 | Wobin | since the guards leash back halfway across the bridge |
| 13:57.11 | JoshBorie | dunno where the back door to orgrimmar is |
| 13:57.23 | Wobin | you know the bridge from the BArrens to Durotar? |
| 13:57.34 | End | between ashenvale and barrens on the river |
| 13:57.43 | Wobin | Head north up the Barrens coast and it's there |
| 13:57.58 | Wobin | easiest is fly to Aszhara and ride from there |
| 13:58.14 | Wobin | but it leads directly to the Valley of Spirit |
| 13:58.39 | Wobin | Which you follow all the way around, past the Flightmastertower to the Valley of Spirit |
| 13:58.44 | Wobin | er |
| 13:58.46 | Wobin | wisdom |
| 13:58.54 | JoshBorie | one death |
| 13:59.02 | Wobin | For me at least |
| 13:59.06 | Wobin | Oh and I jumped off TB |
| 13:59.10 | Wobin | and levitated down =P |
| 13:59.17 | JoshBorie | warrior killed me |
| 13:59.25 | Wobin | pvp? |
| 13:59.36 | Wobin | Are you all suited up? =) |
| 14:00.58 | JoshBorie | nope :D |
| 14:01.58 | Wobin | The heal consuable quest is the easy one |
| 14:02.03 | Wobin | it just requires a lot of running around |
| 14:02.10 | Wobin | I want the flame pet one =P |
| 14:02.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 14:02.23 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 14:02.38 | End | is it just a mini fire elemental pet? |
| 14:03.05 | JoshBorie | hrm, so apparently i have to go to orgrimmar first :-( |
| 14:04.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@151.56.219.207) |
| 14:06.19 | Wobin | JoshBorie: Really? |
| 14:06.21 | JoshBorie | ( Wobin ): no, i was fully naked |
| 14:06.27 | JoshBorie | yea, to get th quest |
| 14:06.39 | Wobin | Each of the flames gives you a quest item |
| 14:06.43 | Wobin | (one that starts a quest) |
| 14:06.51 | JoshBorie | hm |
| 14:06.57 | JoshBorie | guess my bags can't be full then... |
| 14:07.11 | Kirkburn | Er, what have a stumbled onto? |
| 14:07.11 | Wobin | There are three of them, and once you complete it, you get the one step quest for the halo |
| 14:07.17 | Kirkburn | <JoshBorie> ( Wobin ): no, i was fully naked" |
| 14:07.43 | Wobin | Josh is ... feeling frisky |
| 14:07.47 | Wobin | It being Midsummer and all |
| 14:07.49 | Beladona | holy crap |
| 14:07.53 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:07.57 | Beladona | so I get this PM on wowi |
| 14:08.16 | Beladona | PLS Help, How do I get my money out of the Piggy Bank Addon in WOW?" |
| 14:08.31 | Beladona | debating on whether to reply or not |
| 14:08.48 | Wobin | rofl |
| 14:08.54 | Wobin | "You need a hammer.... " |
| 14:09.45 | MoonWolf | Beladona, rplying is an invite for more questions. |
| 14:09.46 | Beladona | I was gonna say something like "You don't, those are government subsidized money sinks designed to supercede taxation which is not present in wow" |
| 14:09.49 | JoshBorie | this is what wow has turned into...death zerging horde cities |
| 14:12.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240) |
| 14:13.00 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:13.04 | Wobin | but it's so much fun! |
| 14:13.28 | JoshBorie | if only i had something to mod while doing it :D |
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| 14:15.41 | krka|work | any death zerging in TB? |
| 14:20.24 | JoshBorie | yay, got UC flame |
| 14:21.05 | MoonWolf | where is the uc one ? |
| 14:21.12 | MoonWolf | inside or in the ruins of lordearon ? |
| 14:24.19 | JoshBorie | in the ruins |
| 14:24.22 | JoshBorie | old throne room |
| 14:25.51 | MoonWolf | easy enough to get too |
| 14:25.58 | MoonWolf | try ogri and TB |
| 14:26.11 | MoonWolf | or the alliance cites if your horde |
| 14:27.54 | JoshBorie | yea, IF or SW are gonna be pains |
| 14:27.54 | JoshBorie | for horde |
| 14:28.09 | MoonWolf | hell, even getting NEAR darnassus is hard. |
| 14:28.46 | JoshBorie | naw, they can just ride the boat |
| 14:28.59 | JoshBorie | darn shouldn't be too hard, just a long trip |
| 14:31.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (i=usr1581@80.193.211.68) |
| 14:32.59 | Codayus | Just hit the 3 horde cities. |
| 14:33.09 | Codayus | UC - easy. No guards. |
| 14:33.19 | Legorol | is there a quest for getting the opposite faction's flames? |
| 14:33.27 | Codayus | Org - hard. A fair number of guards, but I outran them. |
| 14:33.50 | Codayus | TB - very hard. Lots of guards, and you have to dismount to get to the flame. Escaped with less than 100 health. |
| 14:34.08 | Codayus | Legorol: Sorta. Click an opposite faction flame, and you get a quest starting item. |
| 14:34.19 | Codayus | Turn in all three quests, and you get a flaming crown thing. |
| 14:34.46 | Legorol | Codayus: i see, thanks |
| 14:34.52 | Codayus | Being lvl 60 with an epic mount helped a lot. Doing it at 6am server time helped a lot more. :-D |
| 14:35.20 | Codayus | Total enemy players seen: 1) lvl 30 rogue (ran away from me). 2) lvl 50 mage (I think he was afk) |
| 14:35.38 | End | that's not very many players :P |
| 14:35.40 | JoshBorie | ( Codayus ): i've already been owned twice getting the UC one :-( |
| 14:35.54 | Codayus | JoshBorie: Oh? By players, I assume? |
| 14:36.00 | Codayus | See comment about doing it at 6am. :-D |
| 14:36.35 | JoshBorie | indeed :-D |
| 14:36.48 | End | I think there are more player than that at 6am on my server though |
| 14:37.01 | Codayus | My server is crowded 24/7...on the alliance side. |
| 14:37.07 | Codayus | The horde side is pretty empty. |
| 14:37.20 | Codayus | I think we've got the worst alliance/horde ratio of any server. :-( |
| 14:37.23 | End | my server's balance isn't all the bad |
| 14:37.39 | JoshBorie | wish i had read it's easier to come from azshara :/ |
| 14:37.57 | Codayus | ? |
| 14:38.05 | JoshBorie | when going in the backdoor of org |
| 14:38.09 | Codayus | Oh. |
| 14:38.10 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 14:38.11 | Codayus | Doh |
| 14:38.15 | Codayus | I took the zepplin from UC. |
| 14:38.17 | JoshBorie | flew to ratchet instead |
| 14:38.21 | Codayus | Only, I don't ride zepplins often. |
| 14:38.21 | JoshBorie | ooo, i shoulda done that |
| 14:38.30 | End | there are elite guards I think |
| 14:38.31 | Codayus | So it turns out, a couple patches ago, they added a BUNCH of hostile guards. |
| 14:38.35 | End | on the zepp tower |
| 14:38.35 | Codayus | Died. |
| 14:38.42 | Codayus | Ran back, rezzed inside a zepplin. |
| 14:38.43 | JoshBorie | lol |
| 14:38.45 | End | haha |
| 14:38.47 | Codayus | ...the WRONG zepplin. |
| 14:38.50 | End | hahahaha |
| 14:38.51 | Codayus | Died. |
| 14:38.59 | JoshBorie | LOL |
| 14:39.00 | Codayus | Ran back, rezzed inside the right zepplin. :-( |
| 14:39.29 | Codayus | Yeah, died twice to the fricking GOBLINS. After all I've done for steamwheedle... |
| 14:39.36 | Codayus | Uncool. |
| 14:39.43 | JoshBorie | i'mma kill them on my priest |
| 14:39.45 | Codayus | Oh, and if your a priest, try and remmber to bring feathers. |
| 14:39.50 | JoshBorie | bloodsail will be mine |
| 14:39.55 | JoshBorie | paladin bubble ftw |
| 14:39.56 | End | or mage ;p |
| 14:40.01 | Codayus | Makes getting back off of TB much easier. |
| 14:40.04 | End | not that I play a mage |
| 14:40.18 | Codayus | Wasn't my night. Still, got the crown, and only a 2.5g repair bill. |
| 14:40.27 | JoshBorie | i'm just going nekkid |
| 14:40.32 | End | nekkid ftw |
| 14:40.40 | JoshBorie | well, i'm wearing my flaming shoulders :D |
| 14:40.43 | End | lol |
| 14:40.45 | Codayus | I would have, but I wasn't expecting to need to strip to ride a zepplin. |
| 14:40.45 | JoshBorie | just so they know why i'm there |
| 14:40.56 | Codayus | Oh! Also, you get some buff food as a reward. |
| 14:41.00 | Codayus | They give you a stack of 10. |
| 14:41.09 | Codayus | Each one gives a buff that lasts for 1 hour. |
| 14:41.17 | Codayus | The entire stack expires in 6 hours. |
| 14:41.27 | Codayus | ...thanks bliz? |
| 14:41.34 | JoshBorie | woops, messed up again |
| 14:41.35 | End | so in other words |
| 14:41.43 | End | is the food vendorable? |
| 14:41.46 | Codayus | No. |
| 14:41.53 | Codayus | Soulbound, unsellable, self only. |
| 14:42.04 | JoshBorie | crap! i didn't notice it expired so soon, that sucks |
| 14:42.07 | End | so...what's the point? |
| 14:42.11 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:42.12 | End | I won't use it that way |
| 14:42.18 | Wobin | just watched 'Stupider Mage Tricks" |
| 14:42.20 | End | (well, -probably- won't use it) |
| 14:42.22 | Wobin | very entertaining |
| 14:42.31 | Codayus | The point is, they probably forgot to make it expire in 14 days like the blossoms do. |
| 14:42.40 | Codayus | Oh well, now I just need to get my fire minipet |
| 14:42.50 | JoshBorie | link wobin? |
| 14:43.02 | Wobin | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=21988 |
| 14:43.10 | Wobin | Entertaining, but mostly terrain exploits |
| 14:43.20 | Wobin | but still very fun to watch |
| 14:43.29 | Wobin | especially the aoeing of the scourge |
| 14:43.41 | Wobin | at count 94 or so in one round =P |
| 14:43.54 | Wobin | He's actually very good at herding |
| 14:46.14 | Kirkburn | Need help again posting on the US forums :P Can someone reply to this thread? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=400330 |
| 14:46.15 | Industrial | zomg they got streams now! |
| 14:46.28 | Kirkburn | Just to tell them they can use notepad to open it |
| 14:46.55 | End | Lopeppeppy just said that |
| 14:46.57 | Wobin | I'm looking Someone has |
| 14:46.59 | Wobin | er |
| 14:47.02 | Wobin | Someone has |
| 14:47.17 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:47.20 | Wobin | In other news: I'm looking for some advice on tactics for an up and coming mage =P |
| 14:47.21 | Kirkburn | Cool :) |
| 14:47.37 | JoshBorie | reroll warrior |
| 14:48.11 | Kirkburn | Next on my list ... the '...' bug is sounding more and more like a bug in WoW: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=398266 |
| 14:48.37 | Kirkburn | Something to do with the UI scale messing up with certain resolutions |
| 14:48.41 | End | yeah |
| 14:48.55 | End | I'm reading that thread too. |
| 14:49.14 | Wobin | JoshBorie: Boring |
| 14:49.22 | Wobin | I could never get into playing a warrior |
| 14:49.57 | Kirkburn | It's that wonderful time of the year ... update addon day! |
| 14:52.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 14:52.22 | End | -wonderful-? |
| 14:52.33 | Kirkburn | Hey, wait ... is it true they blocked skin changes? |
| 14:52.45 | Tem | I sure hope so |
| 14:53.00 | Tem | I'm sick of seeing "Why is this not allowed?" thread |
| 14:53.14 | Tem | almost to the point of those annoying G15 threads |
| 14:53.30 | Tem | End, why does Yatlas pop up when I login? |
| 14:53.37 | Kirkburn | Just looking at this addon - poor guy got his entire addon broken by a the soundfile bug in 1.11, but someone mentioned the skin block in the comments (http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2043) |
| 14:53.46 | End | Tem, because you haven't updated ;p |
| 14:54.02 | Tem | oh, I didn't know what you had put out an update |
| 14:54.09 | End | I did this morning |
| 14:54.14 | Tem | aha |
| 14:54.16 | End | hopefully I didn't bork something |
| 14:54.41 | Tem | ohoh |
| 14:54.48 | Tem | does it have an arrow now? |
| 14:54.55 | End | nope :-/ |
| 14:55.03 | End | eventually it will I hope |
| 14:55.07 | End | I rewriting code atm though |
| 14:56.19 | Tem | ah |
| 14:56.26 | Tem | trying to fix the lag thing? |
| 14:56.55 | End | well, trying to make it better |
| 14:57.06 | End | that's not something I can fix entirely unfortunately |
| 14:57.50 | End | when all is said and done, (a) the code will be much easier to handle (b) it'll run faster, since it does less work every time you move the map |
| 14:58.30 | Tem | hmm |
| 14:58.40 | Tem | anyone know where in Daranassus they are doig the fire festival? |
| 14:59.11 | Tem | End, I was thinking you might be able to fix the lag issue by preloading the next area on a hidden texture |
| 14:59.31 | Tem | it won't fix it completely |
| 14:59.40 | Tem | because if I try to go too fast it will still have issues |
| 14:59.52 | End | that's a possibility |
| 14:59.57 | JoshBorie | where's the fire in TB? |
| 15:00.02 | End | right now I'm completely rerendering everything though |
| 15:00.09 | End | and -that- is a problem |
| 15:00.12 | Tem | or hell, just render everything all the time |
| 15:00.30 | End | (so, every time you drag, it recalculates -everything-) |
| 15:00.38 | Tem | oh dear |
| 15:00.43 | Tem | ya, that would be something to fix |
| 15:00.48 | End | yeah |
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| 15:01.48 | End | one thing I plan on doing is anchoring everything to a frame that gets moved, and just showing and hiding what needs to be shown and hidden, and letting WoW figure out where exactly it goes, instead of figuring it out myself |
| 15:01.53 | End | that'll help drags as well |
| 15:02.19 | Tem | definately |
| 15:03.03 | End | unfortunately, I still need to figure out whether it is hidden or shown, but I plan on just doing an affected area check instead of checking all visible points |
| 15:07.41 | Tem | how long is the MB cooldown with talents? |
| 15:08.37 | End | MB? |
| 15:08.43 | End | (mindblast??) |
| 15:09.10 | Tem | ya |
| 15:09.22 | End | well, I dunno |
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| 15:10.24 | Kaso | 5.5 seconds |
| 15:10.50 | Tem | oh thank god |
| 15:11.01 | Kaso | that good? |
| 15:11.09 | End | apparently |
| 15:11.12 | End | o_O |
| 15:11.13 | Tem | I was being told that with only mediocre spell damage it was hitting for 1k+ |
| 15:11.33 | Tem | with it being a 1.5 sec cast, I was extrememly jealous |
| 15:11.50 | Tem | but the long cooldown balances that out |
| 15:12.31 | Kaso | i have about 170 spell damage and mine hits for 740-800 ish with shadowform ect |
| 15:12.57 | Tem | See, when I first heard that, I thought it was spamable |
| 15:13.11 | End | that'd be pretty crazy if it was spammable |
| 15:13.15 | Kaso | ah, unfortually not. |
| 15:13.17 | Tem | for me to get my frostbolts to hit for 1k (2.5 second cast), I need roughly 500 spell damage |
| 15:13.59 | Tem | if a shadow speced priest could achieve the same feat with considerably less effort on a spamable spell, I was about to join the legions of people that I hate on the forums |
| 15:14.17 | End | thank god you didn't have to ;p |
| 15:14.28 | End | although |
| 15:14.49 | Kaso | Whats the forumla for how +dmg is effected by casttime |
| 15:15.04 | Tem | cast time / 3.5 |
| 15:15.08 | Tem | for most spells |
| 15:15.20 | Tem | instant casts are treated like 1.5 sec casts |
| 15:15.34 | End | I think lower ranks are adversely affected as well |
| 15:15.38 | End | but I'm not sure how |
| 15:15.44 | Tem | and spells use their untalented cast time |
| 15:15.46 | End | actually, I'm not sure at all |
| 15:15.57 | Tem | End, I think they just use the same calculation |
| 15:16.04 | Kaso | I dont need to be that acurate really, casttime/3.5 will be fine for my useage |
| 15:16.12 | Tem | I've had my rank1 frostbolt crit for 250-ish |
| 15:16.45 | Tem | (rank one frostbolt is marked at doing 21-24 damage) |
| 15:17.08 | Tem | I've also seen a mage kill a warrior while using nothing but rank one spells |
| 15:17.20 | Tem | Granted it was a bad warrior |
| 15:17.22 | Kirkburn|play | *scream* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=400385&p=1&tmp=1#post400385 |
| 15:17.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=gryphon@65-102-153-94.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 15:17.26 | Tem | but he wasn't afk |
| 15:17.31 | Kirkburn|play | *scream* *scream* *scream* |
| 15:17.58 | MentalPower | Tem: are you sure that it uses the untalented cast time? |
| 15:18.07 | MentalPower | Kirkburn|play: huh? |
| 15:18.09 | Kirkburn|play | (that's his _second_ thread on the topic btw) |
| 15:18.42 | Kirkburn|play | I kind of wonder why I bother documenting stuff y'know |
| 15:18.58 | Tem | MentalPower, yes |
| 15:19.51 | Tem | oh hey, Kirkburn|play do you have an update out that effects the raidwarning popups? |
| 15:20.02 | Kirkburn|play | Does it not atm? |
| 15:20.05 | Tem | I have an old version and it doesn't appear to be chaning that font |
| 15:20.18 | Kirkburn|play | I think the new version might, I had to add a new style |
| 15:20.21 | Wobin | Tem: Rutharian village |
| 15:20.30 | Tem | Wobin, yeah I found it |
| 15:20.43 | Tem | (only by giving up and going to leave Darn, but I found it) |
| 15:21.29 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:21.35 | Cide | End: (re cast time) spells are affected negatively by +dmg/+healing if the spell is learned below level 20 |
| 15:21.53 | Cide | I have the formula for how much somewhere, but I don't feel like digging it up :) |
| 15:23.02 | Wobin | Cide: How do you mean negatively? |
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| 15:26.02 | Cide | +healingReturns = +healing * (castTime/3.5) * (level<20 ? 1-(20-level)*0.0375 : 1) |
| 15:26.18 | Cide | "level" being the level you learn the spell |
| 15:26.29 | JoshBorie | basically you just don't get as much return |
| 15:27.42 | Kirkburn|play | Tem: I just checked, yup the extra style in the new version is called by RaidWarning.xml :) |
| 15:28.01 | Tem | coolbeans |
| 15:28.19 | Kirkburn|play | Least I now know what it's for :P |
| 15:32.00 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorie (n=none@r43h96.res.gatech.edu) |
| 15:32.06 | wereHamster | is there a function that returns true/false if the action is applicable to the current target (eg action is a buff and target is friendly) ? I can't find one on wowwiki |
| 15:33.22 | Tem | SpellCanTargetUnit? |
| 15:33.30 | Wobin | wereHamster: The closest I can think of is IsUsableAction |
| 15:33.41 | Wobin | But that's on a slot |
| 15:34.35 | wereHamster | does that check if teh action is usable on the target? |
| 15:35.30 | wereHamster | no. :( |
| 15:36.42 | wereHamster | IsActionInRange() returns true for Mind Blast if the target is friendly and farther than 30y away (which is the Mind Blast range) |
| 15:37.38 | Wobin | I'm not sure if we have a function that works as complex as that =\ |
| 15:38.24 | wereHamster | WoW.exe knows that.. it prints the error if I try to cast MB on a friendly target.. |
| 15:38.51 | Wobin | I think there may be more processing going on behind the scenes |
| 15:38.57 | MentalPower | I was under the impression that the server was the one that calculated that |
| 15:40.11 | wereHamster | things like that are pretty obvious .. like casting a damage spell on a friendly target.. |
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| 15:42.47 | wereHamster | I hate class-specific configuration in addons.. it always requires localization |
| 15:43.24 | wereHamster | I managed to get rid of all class-specific code in coolDown.. why can't I do that for my new addon as well? *cry* |
| 15:43.54 | Wobin | What's your new addon do? |
| 15:44.21 | JoshBorie | ( wereHamster ): how is a 'secure' com channel any different than the CTRA com channel? |
| 15:44.22 | wereHamster | displays range to your current target.. based on what action button tooltips report |
| 15:44.41 | wereHamster | and CheckInteractDistance |
| 15:45.08 | Kirkburn|play | Yay, I'm back to sexy UI :D |
| 15:49.18 | Wobin | There's a ProximityLib, isn't there? |
| 15:49.23 | End | Cide: thanks for the info (about +heal) |
| 15:51.48 | wereHamster | ProximityLib only uses CheckInteractDistance |
| 15:52.41 | Wobin | I guess as a library it can't rely on player specific details |
| 15:54.11 | wereHamster | It still could scan the actionbars like I do |
| 15:57.41 | Kirkburn|play | Hey, wow, they've actually added new art! |
| 15:58.04 | Kirkburn|play | Brewnall Village has new lake piers :) |
| 15:58.40 | wereHamster | Does ClearLines() also clear the right text column? or die it only hide the strings? |
| 16:00.16 | End | I -think- it only hides. |
| 16:16.28 | _B | Is SendWho() broken? |
| 16:25.44 | _B | Never mind, they changed how this.value works on the popup callback code |
| 16:31.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=Wobin@221.221.21.110) |
| 16:31.51 | Wobin | sigh |
| 16:32.05 | Wobin | So they removed the "This character is already logged in" |
| 16:32.13 | Wobin | And replaced it with "Logging this character out" |
| 16:32.18 | End | :( |
| 16:32.22 | Wobin | and dumps you straight back to the char selection screen |
| 16:32.25 | Wobin | GG Blizzard |
| 16:32.28 | End | seriously |
| 16:32.30 | End | :( |
| 16:32.37 | zenzelezz | leaving you to wonder "did I not hit the 'Enter world' button?" |
| 16:32.49 | Wobin | 'xactly |
| 16:33.13 | Cide | nah |
| 16:33.18 | Cide | it's still improved |
| 16:33.19 | End | so...all they added was faster detection of a already logged in character, and changed the error message? |
| 16:33.27 | End | s/was/was add/ |
| 16:33.32 | Cide | it is improved by a lot |
| 16:33.33 | End | eep |
| 16:33.37 | zenzelezz | Cide: it is improved... just not how we thought it was from the development notes |
| 16:33.41 | End | ignore my replace |
| 16:33.54 | End | I made up a typo to fix where it apparently didn't exist |
| 16:34.02 | End | ~whaleslap purl |
| 16:34.04 | purl | ACTION beats purl upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:34.17 | Cide | not purl's fault :P |
| 16:34.20 | End | yes it is! |
| 16:34.33 | End | :( |
| 16:35.55 | zenzelezz | sheesh... 197 Dream Dust from the same person on AH... all added one by one, not stacked |
| 16:36.17 | End | sounds like they used auctioneer or something similar |
| 16:37.06 | zenzelezz | in itself it's a nice thing, if you only want one or a few... but having to go through tons of pages just to reach a stack is annoying :-/ |
| 16:37.15 | Thrae | The time is...12:34.567890 |
| 16:38.10 | Thrae | It's a trick, Zenze. The average person isn't a math whiz, and won't make the connection that the individual Dream Dusts cost more then a stack ;) |
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| 16:38.44 | Wobin | rofl |
| 16:39.36 | Wobin | My level 24 mage managed to tag one of the Flameshockers wandering stormwind |
| 16:39.46 | Wobin | with like... a lucky 7hp shot that wasn't resisted =P |
| 16:39.55 | Tain | Well, character transfers are coming, with restrictions. Details were posted by a few websites and then pulled back at Blizzard's request. |
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| 16:48.55 | Thrae | I'm playing my old .hack PS2 games instead of WoW. So instead of playing a real online game, I'm playing a fake one...and owning it! |
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| 16:52.38 | Tain | I got my Atari 2600 out of storage. Going to plug it in this weekend. |
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| 16:53.32 | Tain | And a box of about 50 cartridges, although I have no recollection of what's in there. |
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| 16:54.02 | Tain | But last I knew I had two working sets of paddle controllers so there could be some four player Pong or Warlords in my future! |
| 16:57.11 | Legorol | 1.538 is latest CTRA, right? |
| 16:57.34 | End | afaik |
| 17:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Did they fix the horde/alliance LFG bug? |
| 17:19.06 | Wobin | what bug's that? |
| 17:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Cross faction talk |
| 17:21.24 | Kaso | I havent seen any alliance |
| 17:21.30 | Kaso | (in lfg) so i guess so |
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| 17:32.02 | Iriel | Morning Cairenn |
| 17:33.24 | Cairenn | afternoon |
| 17:33.27 | Cairenn | how goes? |
| 17:35.40 | Thrae | I wonder if there's some internal politics as to why the functionality of a mod like CallToArms wasn't incorporated into the default UI instead of a global LFG channel? |
| 17:35.58 | Iriel | Thrae : They were building out a whole LFG implementation |
| 17:36.13 | Iriel | Thrae : It was talked about a couple of patches ago, API functions appeared, then _NOTHING_ |
| 17:37.29 | Thrae | Yeah, like I said, sounds like internal politics. CTA has been around for a long time as a proof-of-concept. |
| 17:38.32 | Thrae | I realize their initial intention was to make the game more unique, but I think we've learned from this that a powerful LFG option is necessary in a MMORPG either PvE or PvP centric. |
| 17:38.47 | Iriel | Indeed, CTA was around before that, but it has the problem that everyone has to use it for it to be truly valuable |
| 17:39.10 | End | yeah, widespread use is the only problem CTA really has |
| 17:39.11 | Iriel | I'm hoping that CTA has a boost from the LFG channel, especially if they can keep the LFG messaging 'human readable' |
| 17:39.26 | Iriel | End: The API functions showed up, but the important ones dont seem to do anything |
| 17:39.26 | Thrae | Well, I'm using CTA right now to help filter out LFG messages. I'm waiting for CTA to be modded to only use the LFG channel. |
| 17:40.06 | End | Iriel: is their existance listed on the wiki? |
| 17:40.56 | Iriel | End: I'm not sure, it was in my actual changes list the patch it came out, I haven't been able to keep BOTH the widget and main API pages up to date on my own so i've been focussing on the widget one more |
| 17:41.10 | Iriel | End: Look for LFGQuery |
| 17:41.18 | End | no mention |
| 17:41.25 | Thrae | Blizzard should just give up and agree that MMORPG LFG options can't be innovated upon, just improved. |
| 17:41.38 | End | oh wait |
| 17:41.52 | End | there's another page |
| 17:41.57 | Iriel | End: The functions are LFGQuery(param [,class]) / GetNumLFGResults() / GetLFGResults(index) / GetLFGTypeEntries(type) / and GetLFGTypes() |
| 17:42.01 | End | Global Function List does have it |
| 17:42.06 | Iriel | The last 2 actually returned something last time I checked |
| 17:42.08 | End | but the main API page doesn't |
| 17:42.33 | Mikk1 | Feel free to fix =) |
| 17:42.38 | End | Interesting though |
| 17:42.40 | Cide | Iriell: yep, they do |
| 17:42.43 | Cide | Iriel* |
| 17:43.25 | Thrae | LFG Options are one of those basic things, Blizzard shouldn't feel like they're "stealing" the design from another game. That's like saying they stole the "Warrior" class from DnD. |
| 17:43.50 | Thrae | Or better yet, they stole the idea of "Dungeons" from DnD. |
| 17:44.07 | End | most of the mmorpg concepts were engineered before WoW anyways |
| 17:44.22 | Iriel | They need to steal CoH's exemplar idea |
| 17:44.30 | Tain | My solution to the problem is to not look for public groups. :) |
| 17:44.43 | Tain | Yeah CoH had a great idea with Sidekicks and all. |
| 17:45.28 | zenzelezz | what's that, singleplayer in an MMO? |
| 17:45.34 | Qzot | Get out your [Rant Blade]s, because my whole take is that LFG sucks. Period. |
| 17:46.01 | Thrae | Qzot - You mean the channel, or the idea that people should play together? |
| 17:46.08 | Qzot | Neither. |
| 17:46.27 | Qzot | I mean the idea that group formation should happen apart from your avatars. |
| 17:46.42 | Tain | Uh.. what? |
| 17:46.58 | Thrae | You mean, groups can be formed when not in viewing distance of each other? |
| 17:47.00 | zenzelezz | sounds like he wants /shout |
| 17:47.15 | Qzot | I.e. that we should form groups through disembodied chat. (Disenvirtualed chat?) |
| 17:47.20 | Thrae | Qzot, that was the original idea with Meeting Stones. |
| 17:47.26 | Iriel | Well, the problem there is how can you simultaneously hold that view AND support things like guild and party chat? |
| 17:47.29 | Qzot | No, not really. |
| 17:47.35 | Iriel | or dont you support those, either? |
| 17:47.45 | Qzot | Meeting stones sucked in even *more* dimensions. |
| 17:47.49 | Tain | Qzot is right. You shouldn't be able to form a group with someone you can't physically touch. |
| 17:47.59 | Qzot | Virtually touch. |
| 17:48.07 | Tain | Why play online when you can't see the real person! |
| 17:48.08 | Kebinusan | the lfg function really should have been something like CTA imo |
| 17:48.10 | Thrae | But the problem is that the World of World of Warcraft is too big to support that AND allow for easy formation of groups. |
| 17:48.11 | Tain | That's just silly! |
| 17:48.11 | zenzelezz | I still find it peculiar that a "whisper" reaches you anywhere |
| 17:48.27 | Kebinusan | that channel is like myspace meets irc |
| 17:48.31 | Iriel | WoW isn't really that big at all, though |
| 17:48.38 | Qzot | Here's my insane idea. |
| 17:48.38 | Iriel | especially with even more flightpaths |
| 17:49.08 | Qzot | Have something like meeting stones, except that they're completely different. |
| 17:49.10 | Thrae | Well, it's too big for THAT idea, I'm saying. |
| 17:49.10 | Tain | Yeah but WoW is also the slowest walking/running speed online game I've ever played. |
| 17:49.19 | Iriel | You should play ATITD |
| 17:49.24 | Tain | So the world feels bigger. |
| 17:49.37 | Kebinusan | I understand the point of more flightpaths, really does make the world smaller |
| 17:49.47 | Kebinusan | I dont understand why you needed to be able to fly to every zone |
| 17:49.50 | Tain | I started a new character in CoH after having played WoW for a while and didn't even feel like I needed travel powers right away like I used to. |
| 17:49.57 | Qzot | Imagine a nether world, that you can always "dream up". Your location in Azeroth hasn't changed, but you can teleport to this nether world. |
| 17:50.19 | Qzot | In this nether world are a series of portal to instances. They're spread out in a ring. |
| 17:50.20 | Kebinusan | next step your griffin will pack it self on the boat and you wnt even need to stop to switch continents |
| 17:50.26 | Iriel | (We'll call this place, "cyberspace" ?) |
| 17:50.34 | Qzot | Iriel: Sure. |
| 17:50.58 | Qzot | Think of this as a nether bus station with different destinations marked around the ring. |
| 17:51.02 | Tain | Ratchet is still a place that needed an alliance flight path. |
| 17:51.03 | zenzelezz | sounds like the fixer grid |
| 17:51.11 | Tain | Sounds like Phantasy Star Online. |
| 17:51.16 | Iriel | zenzelezz : Indeed |
| 17:51.25 | Qzot | Now, you use regular mechanism to form groups. Social mechanisms. |
| 17:51.39 | Tain | Oh I know, it's battle.net |
| 17:51.43 | Qzot | "Gee, there are more people over by the BRD portal. Maybe I'll try BRD instead." |
| 17:51.43 | Cide | sounds pretty much like the lfg channel to me :( |
| 17:51.59 | Qzot | It's different from LFG in a couple ways. |
| 17:52.12 | Tain | It's virtually different in a virtual world. |
| 17:52.17 | Tain | Which means.. virtually nothing. :) |
| 17:52.19 | zenzelezz | for the 5-man (or lower) stuff, that might work... but I have trouble seeing raids work that way |
| 17:52.22 | Qzot | First, you can use human memory of faces to build greater recognition than chat allows. |
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| 17:52.41 | Thrae | Qzot, how is this different then a collective unconsciousness, except you have astral bodies to represent you? |
| 17:52.54 | Tain | I don't see how abstracting someone from the game world improves immersion. |
| 17:52.56 | Qzot | That is a key item missing from disembodied chat. We don't leverage human social strengths. |
| 17:53.33 | Thrae | Well, WoW also has a greater "clone" problem then the more recent MMORPGs released near its time. |
| 17:53.34 | Legorol | There is a fundamental flaw with your suggestion Qzot: |
| 17:53.40 | Legorol | whilst people are LFG, they want to keep grinding |
| 17:53.44 | Legorol | not standing around in one place |
| 17:53.56 | Qzot | Legorol: Maybe. |
| 17:54.04 | Legorol | which is the whole *reason* for having had to introduce a global LFG solution |
| 17:54.09 | Legorol | so that you can LFG any time, from anywhere |
| 17:54.10 | Qzot | Legoral: But this can work two ways to help with that. |
| 17:54.12 | End | particularly if it isn't a peak time of the day |
| 17:54.23 | End | you might check in real quick, but then you'll leave again soon after |
| 17:54.32 | End | and no group will ever get started |
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| 17:54.42 | Tain | Well the global lfg isn't any good at all. Level tiered lfg channels would have been better, but still not great. |
| 17:54.46 | Qzot | I'm proposing a nether nexus that you can pop in and out of. So if there's no group large enough atm, you can return to grinding with no down time. |
| 17:55.11 | Tain | I think that destroys immersion even more than a lfg channel. |
| 17:55.29 | Qzot | Second, you get some visual cue that although you were thinking BRD, the LBRS group actually looks like it has critical mass. I'm aware these two things work against each other. |
| 17:55.34 | zenzelezz | for such a thing everyone would have to be some sort of mage |
| 17:55.47 | Qzot | Immersion? What's immersion? |
| 17:56.35 | Qzot | Maybe I'm wrong here, but here's an instant pop quiz for any of you who think immersion exists in this game. Ready? |
| 17:56.40 | Legorol | Qzot: your suggestion could work, if you could leave an "image" of yourself standing there, whilst you are not there |
| 17:56.42 | Iriel | I think the latter point, namely tracking where the interest from other folks is. |
| 17:56.53 | Qzot | Think of you current guild leader. Or your most recent guild leader. |
| 17:56.57 | Thrae | I still don't see what's wrong with the idea of a collective unconsciousness in a fantasy world. |
| 17:57.05 | Iriel | is a good one, that maybe CTA could adopt if they haven't already |
| 17:57.15 | Qzot | Legorol: *Excellent* suggestion. |
| 17:57.29 | Legorol | the whole point is to show the level of recent interest |
| 17:57.30 | Tain | I draw certain lines in my fantasy worlds. |
| 17:57.35 | Legorol | Iriel: CTA already does this, sort of |
| 17:57.36 | Qzot | Quiz question #1: What race are they? |
| 17:57.42 | Legorol | you can filter its list with a keyword |
| 17:57.50 | Qzot | Quiz question #2: What color is their hair? |
| 17:57.51 | Legorol | so you type in UBRS and you see how many people are interested in that |
| 17:57.56 | Thrae | Tain: So you just ignore party, guild, raid, etc. chat in your roleplaying? |
| 17:57.57 | Cide | troll hunter, no hair |
| 17:58.18 | End | my guild leader wears a helmet I think |
| 17:58.28 | Legorol | Qzot: Dwarf rogue, brown hair, Human warrior, blond, NE hunter, blue |
| 17:58.33 | Legorol | that's my current guild leader |
| 17:58.34 | Tain | Thrae: Of course not. I ignore individuals. |
| 17:58.43 | Iriel | That's social trivia more than immersion, I haven't met my guild leader in one instance, in fact iv'e only met a few guild members, they're a shadowy organization. |
| 17:58.48 | Tain | I know all the people I play with by the look of their avatar. |
| 17:58.51 | Qzot | Cide: Male trolls can have no hair? |
| 17:58.53 | zenzelezz | Qzot: questions about guild leader's race and stuff isn't necessarily a good idea - I've no idea what my real-life boss looks like |
| 17:58.57 | Cide | Qzot: yes |
| 17:59.03 | Thrae | Ah right, I forgot for a moment. "Tain" stands for "disTAIN" ;) |
| 17:59.09 | End | I can't really say what my druid's hair color is, except "dark" |
| 17:59.10 | Legorol | Qzot: as for RL, he is human, and has black hair if i remember correctly |
| 17:59.34 | End | (all tauren seem to be either dark or gray hair color to me) |
| 17:59.39 | Qzot | My guild leader is a troll, but honestly I don't remember her hair color. |
| 17:59.59 | Tain | I still don't see what point that is supposed to make. |
| 18:00.14 | Legorol | i think he was trying to show us that guild chat is very disembodied |
| 18:00.18 | Tain | There are people I know in real life that I couldn't tell you their exact hair color, but I know them when I see them. |
| 18:00.28 | Legorol | unfortunately my guild is a strongly knit community where we meet up in-game often |
| 18:00.29 | Qzot | I pay more attention to a character's name than to their avatar. But humans are built for face and body recognition. |
| 18:00.32 | End | I associate details more with their name than their character more though |
| 18:00.52 | Legorol | Qzot has a point though |
| 18:00.55 | Qzot | So we're not leveraging the human brain. |
| 18:00.58 | Iriel | Unfortunately MMO's rarely have sufficient expressive variation in avatar generation for that to really work |
| 18:00.59 | Legorol | i'd recognize people from their names more than looks |
| 18:01.04 | Legorol | i'd have to check the name above their heads |
| 18:01.09 | Iriel | Though I think that's a critical weakness that needs to get fixed |
| 18:01.12 | End | and our undead priests look all very similar |
| 18:01.13 | Qzot | Iriel: Agreed. And WoW is among the worst. |
| 18:01.22 | Legorol | WoW also doesn't have enough resolution to allow you to see details of people's faces |
| 18:01.23 | wereHamster | pay attention to the character name.. like mine.. hehe ;) |
| 18:01.39 | Thrae | Qzot, a human's ability to recognize features is usually unconscious. The average person can't just spout out features of someone they know. |
| 18:01.58 | Legorol | actually the biggest problem in recognizing people in my guild stems from alt-itis ;-) |
| 18:02.06 | Qzot | That's what started this whole rant. Use of disembodied (disenvirtual?) chat, as opposed to avatar-to-avatar interaction. |
| 18:02.06 | Legorol | random alt names, can never remember who is who |
| 18:02.14 | Iriel | I wouldn't say it's among the worst, though possibly it is if you're only judging against the 'Big successful' ones |
| 18:02.24 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter if you can customize the character down to the eye color if they all still use the same emotes when saying something |
| 18:02.27 | End | we have their main's name in their public note for alts :P |
| 18:02.29 | Legorol | i don't mind WoW's lack of avatar variation |
| 18:02.34 | Qzot | Iriel: Good point. I was. |
| 18:02.42 | Legorol | frankly it doesn't matter too much, because of teh lack of graphics resolution |
| 18:02.51 | Iriel | This particular point makes Eve's approach particularly interesting |
| 18:02.54 | Legorol | you know all those piercings you can select on the char select screen? |
| 18:03.04 | Legorol | would you be able to tell in-game which one a character has? |
| 18:03.08 | Legorol | i wouldn't be able to |
| 18:03.18 | Qzot | Legoral: It's not just that. It's that we also use 3rd-person view, because our avatars can't sense for us, so we need to see them. |
| 18:03.35 | Iriel | since there's basically _no_ visual difference between your in-universe representations (ships), but extremely customizable static avatar portraits for chat and info |
| 18:03.37 | zenzelezz | most people I meet are all covered up in armor anyhow |
| 18:03.37 | Qzot | Legorol: As a result, we are farther from other avatars' faces. |
| 18:03.55 | Legorol | that is true |
| 18:03.56 | Tain | I guess I never noticed, I know the people I play with by their avatars. |
| 18:04.14 | Kirkburn|play | Tain, I notice you mentioned char transfers earlier - what info was there? |
| 18:04.24 | Legorol | a leaked press release |
| 18:04.51 | Tain | A couple sites still have it up. I won't paste details here since Blizz supposedly requested everyone pull the info. |
| 18:06.28 | Qzot | Tain: Can we at least play 20 questions? |
| 18:06.41 | Kaso | how many raid targets symbols are there? |
| 18:07.06 | Legorol | i gotta run, see you guys later |
| 18:07.08 | Tain | Well it was supposedly this, but no idea if it's fact. |
| 18:07.09 | Tain | http://beta1.curse-gaming.com/en/news-175-1-paid-server-transfers-coming-soon.html |
| 18:07.13 | zenzelezz | available in party, not just raid... and I think there were something like 8-10, but didn't count |
| 18:07.16 | Legorol | (and gals of course) |
| 18:07.35 | Cairenn | http://www.apcstart.com/site/images/vu-wow-realm-release.pdf |
| 18:08.03 | Thrae | As an avid user of the Internet, I prefer not seeing the person on the other end. Usually no useful information comes from seeing a person in real life, mostly bias. |
| 18:08.17 | Cairenn | Qzot: if that is real ... pvp -> pve is allowed ... god I hope they choose to move |
| 18:09.04 | zenzelezz | I don't necessarily agree with Thrae, but seeing the other person (or hearing) tends to change your impression of them to some degree |
| 18:09.08 | Thrae | The only time I would want to be able to see a person when talking to them is if I want to, in some way, "challenge" them. Then I could use their body language to help myself win. |
| 18:09.38 | Thrae | I can be a rather expressionless person, so it's to my advantage. |
| 18:10.31 | Thrae | I suppose the same could be said if I wanted to help them get through some emotional trouble. |
| 18:10.41 | Thrae | Seeing their body language would help with that, too. |
| 18:10.43 | Beladona | maybe I can actually transfer my good characters around now |
| 18:10.47 | Beladona | =D |
| 18:11.02 | Tain | Going to be a limited server list to start, so we'll see what they do. |
| 18:11.25 | Thrae | Probably High Pop -> Medium/Low Pop |
| 18:11.32 | Beladona | yeah makes sense |
| 18:11.46 | Thrae | I wish we had server transfers when my &^%$ friends kept hopping servers. |
| 18:11.50 | Tain | One thing though is supposedly they'll allow you to transfer chars from one account to another account that you own. |
| 18:12.01 | Beladona | damn |
| 18:12.16 | Thrae | U buy accnt yes? |
| 18:12.21 | Beladona | it says you can't move from PvE to PvP, but what about the other way? |
| 18:12.23 | Beladona | I assume not |
| 18:12.42 | End | it says you can |
| 18:12.51 | End | PvP -> PvE is okay |
| 18:12.56 | Beladona | woot |
| 18:13.05 | End | "You may transfer characters from PvP to PvE realms, but transfers from PvE to PvP realms are not allowed." |
| 18:13.23 | Beladona | yeah I just got that far |
| 18:13.34 | End | I couldn't help but notice the gold transfer limit :P |
| 18:13.38 | Kirkburn|play | When is it 8am in australia? |
| 18:13.48 | Beladona | wacky |
| 18:13.55 | End | one of my guildies would have to give other people some of his gold in order to transfer :P |
| 18:14.01 | Qzot | No. PvE -> PvP. :( |
| 18:14.02 | Beladona | limits gold farmers from hopping servers |
| 18:14.04 | Tain | Yeah the gold transfer limit is going to be a problem for some people. |
| 18:14.05 | Beladona | I guess |
| 18:14.25 | Tain | But yeah, and limits someone from flooding a market with huge gold reserves on a server with a different market. |
| 18:14.33 | Qzot | Beladona: No, it just imposes a $25/5000g tax. :D |
| 18:14.38 | chuckg | Big problem for me. |
| 18:14.38 | chuckg | :( |
| 18:14.48 | Kirkburn|play | Ah, 4am in Brisbane, 2am in Perth |
| 18:14.52 | Beladona | I want to transfer my high level chars, because I don't really want to make any more new chars till the expansion |
| 18:14.55 | Kirkburn|play | Another 4-6 hours before it's public |
| 18:15.17 | Qzot | Before what's public? |
| 18:15.18 | Thrae | Probably so Gold Farmers can't go from a low pop server where it's easy to farm to a high-pop server where it's not. |
| 18:15.39 | Kirkburn|play | The limit is 5000g, it's not that low |
| 18:15.42 | Beladona | I like the requirements honestly |
| 18:15.43 | Tem | well that's disappointing |
| 18:15.44 | End | (probably credit card only) |
| 18:15.45 | Thrae | Can you do PvP (Horde) -> PvP (Alliance) ? |
| 18:15.46 | Beladona | its not bad |
| 18:15.47 | Qzot | End: Payment in children only. |
| 18:15.50 | Beladona | and the price isn't bad either |
| 18:15.50 | Tem | Thrae, no |
| 18:15.56 | Qzot | Thrae: No. |
| 18:15.58 | Thrae | Damn. |
| 18:16.01 | End | guild banks would be a problem too |
| 18:16.02 | Ktron | Anyone use Gypsymod or remember what the bug was that caused text to be missing from the Gypsymod Buffbar? |
| 18:16.14 | Tem | all I want is to transfer to a pvp realm |
| 18:16.19 | Tem | and I'm *far* too lazy to reroll |
| 18:16.23 | Tem | I hate my realm |
| 18:16.23 | Tain | You can't. |
| 18:16.27 | End | my guild has...6 banks spread seperately handled by many different people |
| 18:16.32 | Tem | yes, Tain, I know |
| 18:16.38 | Ktron | TTain, what do you mean you can't? |
| 18:16.42 | Qzot | Tem: Same. My new guild is on PvP, and my high levels are on PvE. |
| 18:16.43 | End | so if we transfered as a guild... |
| 18:16.49 | Tem | <Tem> well that's disappointing |
| 18:16.49 | Ktron | I transferred from a PvE to a PvP... |
| 18:17.13 | Tem | Ktron, how? |
| 18:17.31 | Thrae | PvE -> new PvP server |
| 18:17.34 | Ktron | Black Dragonflight is a PvP server and it openned up allowing transfers from PvE servers |
| 18:17.58 | Beladona | I still need to find a server where there are active people I can call friends. But people in here are still too spread out among servers =( |
| 18:18.21 | Tain | Everyone transfer everything they have to Draka. :) |
| 18:18.22 | Thrae | That's because we're all too busy coding to make alts ;) |
| 18:18.34 | Tem | no thanks |
| 18:18.36 | Tem | Draka is PVE |
| 18:18.45 | Tain | Exactly! |
| 18:18.46 | Beladona | I would like PvP |
| 18:18.51 | Tem | my guild will only move if they allow PVE -> PVP |
| 18:18.53 | Beladona | its more chaotic |
| 18:18.55 | Thrae | I'm still not Level 60 after starting last April. |
| 18:18.57 | Tem | and I'm not leaving my guild |
| 18:19.16 | Tem | I founded the bitch 2 years ago |
| 18:19.19 | Tem | I'm not leaving |
| 18:19.23 | Beladona | should start some kind of poll |
| 18:19.32 | Tem | oh we did |
| 18:19.33 | Tem | long ago |
| 18:19.34 | Beladona | see where the majority of dev spend their play time |
| 18:19.40 | Tem | oh |
| 18:19.55 | Tain | My advice to you is to start drinking heavily. |
| 18:19.57 | Tem | PVE is nice for developing |
| 18:19.58 | Beladona | that way people can see where they might want to transfer |
| 18:20.03 | Beladona | if they want to that is |
| 18:20.06 | chuckg | Guild banks wouldn't be hard. |
| 18:20.10 | chuckg | Just mail the mats to one character. |
| 18:20.14 | Tem | anyway, I gotta go work again |
| 18:20.15 | chuckg | Hopefully mail follows. |
| 18:20.18 | Tem | it doesn't |
| 18:20.22 | Tem | read the FAQ |
| 18:20.23 | Tain | That's the thing, I don't want to spend the time it takes to play on a pvp server. |
| 18:20.23 | Ktron | heh |
| 18:20.31 | Tem | one of the requirements is "your mail must be clear" |
| 18:20.36 | Ktron | I wonder how often someone transfers the guild bank character off of a server to spite people |
| 18:20.43 | Tem | rofl |
| 18:20.51 | Tain | It's something to really watch. |
| 18:21.03 | Tem | well, I've thought of something I'd really like to do |
| 18:21.05 | Tain | People will do it and it's perfectly "legal" as far as Blizzard goes. |
| 18:21.06 | Thrae | You can play on a PvP server and probably never get ganked if you just grind. |
| 18:21.29 | Thrae | Grinding is usually faster anyway if you find a good spot. |
| 18:21.32 | Tem | I want to transfer my main to a server where I've already created a chracter with that name |
| 18:21.39 | Beladona | in the early days it was bad, but most people stick to Battlegrounds |
| 18:21.44 | Tem | rename my main |
| 18:21.47 | Beladona | although I kinda miss world pvp |
| 18:21.48 | Tem | and transfer back |
| 18:21.53 | zenzelezz | I had little problem growing up on US-Arthas, PvP... but probably because I'm Euro, so I was playing on off-hours |
| 18:22.04 | zenzelezz | was always a challenge to reach BRD/BRS |
| 18:22.17 | chuckg | Thae, that's inaccurate :) |
| 18:22.25 | chuckg | If you're in a well known guild and trying to grind. |
| 18:22.31 | chuckg | Good luck trying to grind anywhere un-harassed. |
| 18:22.48 | Thrae | A well-known PvP guild, maybe. |
| 18:22.52 | Beladona | depends on the guild |
| 18:22.53 | zenzelezz | I got ganked a lot by rogues after I joined "Rogues Take Zero Skill" :-| |
| 18:22.55 | Beladona | yeah |
| 18:23.04 | Thrae | I'm in a well-known RP guild on Maelstrom and never had a problem. |
| 18:23.21 | Qzot | Tem: The transfer back will be delayed 6 months. |
| 18:23.27 | Beladona | I have had a lot of PvP fights where we were bowing to each other before it was over |
| 18:23.28 | Thrae | RP-PvP is probably easier to level then PvP, because roleplayers usually have more of a sense of honour. |
| 18:23.49 | Thrae | I know it was a lot easier to level on Maelstrom then Mal'ganis, even though I was Horde on Mal'ganis and we outnumbered Alliance. |
| 18:24.17 | Tem | Qzot, oh right. I forgot about that |
| 18:25.57 | End | less groaning please! |
| 18:26.21 | Thrae | I hate it when water goes down the wrong pipe when I already took another sip. |
| 18:26.29 | Tain | Of course those who do BGs should note that your transfer could take up to 10 days during which your character is inactive and PVP rank decay could occur. |
| 18:26.47 | Thrae | 10 days without playing WoW? OMG OMG!!! |
| 18:26.57 | End | play an alt? |
| 18:27.05 | Thrae | It's not the same!!!111one |
| 18:27.21 | Beladona | some of my characters have already decayed anyway |
| 18:28.01 | Thrae | Damn choaking |
| 18:28.01 | Beladona | so it would be a clean transfer |
| 18:28.01 | End | "decayed?" |
| 18:28.01 | Beladona | pvp |
| 18:28.01 | End | ooh |
| 18:28.01 | Thrae | Beladona has Undead characters ;) |
| 18:28.01 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:28.01 | Thrae | They're pre-decayed! |
| 18:28.01 | End | well, undead are predecayed |
| 18:28.02 | Beladona | actually one is human, but maybe she is undead now... |
| 18:28.06 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 18:28.24 | End | just add plague? |
| 18:28.26 | Beladona | I haven't really played her in like a year |
| 18:28.29 | Ktron | yeah, the day they allow alliance --> horde transfers will be the day I stop playing alliance completely |
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| 18:28.58 | End | oh oh! |
| 18:29.01 | End | stop the party! |
| 18:29.06 | Kirkburn|play | aww :( |
| 18:29.17 | zenzelezz | it was End, I saw him pulling the cable |
| 18:29.22 | Ktron | put away the cracks guys... |
| 18:29.26 | Ktron | Good Morning Cairenn :) |
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| 18:32.04 | hides | whoops |
| 18:32.07 | hides | hiding the party ;p |
| 18:32.20 | Thrae | Heh, I like this..."Don't like Rank 14? Call Blizzard at 1-800-59-BLIZZARD and select option '2'." |
| 18:32.52 | Thrae | I wonder how many fanboys (and girls) actually call Blizzard and complain? |
| 18:34.36 | Kirkburn|play | Wha? |
| 18:35.55 | Kirkburn|play | Amazing how Sony manages to shoot itself in the foot almost every single day now: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/22/sony-we-dont-need-no-stinkin-gta/ |
| 18:35.57 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-pvp&t=541265 |
| 18:35.57 | Ktron | More like, I wonder how many call Blizzard and ask for Rank 14 |
| 18:36.34 | Kirkburn|play | It's hard to get through the week without a Sony exec being arrogant, ignorant or plain stupid :) |
| 18:37.15 | Beladona | you know what is sad |
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| 18:37.24 | Beladona | I am a die hard Final Fantasy fan |
| 18:37.33 | Beladona | but even this crap is making me consider not going PS3 |
| 18:37.59 | Beladona | here is wishing FF would make games for more than one platform |
| 18:38.32 | Kirkburn|play | Gamecube? |
| 18:38.38 | Thrae | Beladona: FF6 (FF3 US) is getting a remake for the DS. I am VERY anxiously awaiting it. FF6 was really the Final Fantasy that got me hooked, not FF1 or FF2. |
| 18:38.51 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwcBADkz3w&search=chris%20angel |
| 18:38.54 | Thrae | Beladona: It'll include some 3D model remake. Mmmm. |
| 18:39.20 | Thrae | I wasn't too impressed with FFX. We'll see how FFXII is for the PS2. |
| 18:40.17 | Iriel | Haven't they finally decided to do FF stuff on the 360? |
| 18:40.30 | Iriel | I recall a lame trailer for an outdated looking FF |
| 18:41.17 | Thrae | Not to my knowledge, Iriel. Maybe they're throwing them a compliation or Enix-brand. |
| 18:41.18 | Tain | PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs Wii is utterly meaningless. I don't care who makes the console, I'll buy whatever one has the games I want to play. |
| 18:42.14 | Beladona | I agree with Tain |
| 18:42.31 | Iriel | http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/f/finalfantasyxi/default.htm |
| 18:42.35 | Beladona | although the whole PS3 high price mark, and their recent attitude has made that hard to decide on |
| 18:42.39 | Iriel | I mostly agree with tain |
| 18:42.47 | Tain | The only time it became an issue for me was if a game was available for multiple consoles I would never buy the GameCube version because the GC has the worst controller. |
| 18:42.48 | Thrae | I think Wii will be my first next-gen console, it has the most games I want to play. |
| 18:43.16 | Iriel | though if the PS3 is really as much as they say it will be, and sony maintain their reputation of not thinking, I suspect i'd just forego the game in question |
| 18:43.20 | Thrae | Iriel: Well that's Final Fantasy online though, it's also for the PC ;) |
| 18:43.33 | Tain | The high PS3 price is rough and I won't be buying it anytime soon after released. But then again, I never do. |
| 18:43.36 | Thrae | Wii = Bit-lovin' action at the very least! |
| 18:43.46 | Iriel | I never owned a PS2 |
| 18:43.55 | Tarog | did holdTime get changed in MessageFrame:AddMessage() in this last patch? |
| 18:43.57 | Iriel | even though there were some games I wanted to play |
| 18:43.59 | Tain | Really though *some* of what Sony's said isn't inaccurate, just arrogant. |
| 18:44.30 | Thrae | And I can't wait for the next Smash Bros. My little brother loves playing it with me. |
| 18:44.38 | Tain | When whoever said PS3 would sell 5 million units regardless of the games, that may be an arrogate statement, but it's still going to be true. |
| 18:44.58 | Thrae | Tain: 5 million worldwide or 5 million US? |
| 18:44.59 | Tarog | before the patch I'd have a holdTime of .1 and the text would almost begine their fade immediately, after the patch they're taking a good 5 seconds before they start to fade |
| 18:45.00 | Tain | The Smash Bros games are great, I would buy a Nintendo console just for them. |
| 18:45.00 | Iriel | But is 5 million units all that many? It doesn't seem that big |
| 18:45.43 | Tain | It doesn't even matter, people got pissed off that Sony would even say it. That people will buy the PS3 on reputation, regardless of what games are comign out. |
| 18:45.51 | Thrae | Yeah, with the Wii, you get all the great Nintendo franchises + old-school games. I'm not really a hardcore Nintendo fanboy, but to me, that seems like the biggest bang-for-your-buck. |
| 18:45.53 | Tain | And it was silly for anyone to get upset at that, that's the way it's worked forever. |
| 18:46.35 | Thrae | And the games will be playable over the Internet now, too. |
| 18:46.46 | Kirkburn|play | On the subject of Mario! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqDgW6n6HM0 |
| 18:46.56 | Tarog | guess no one knows |
| 18:47.10 | Thrae | I wonder if the old school games will be playable over the Internet! I tingle in forbidden places just thinking about it. |
| 18:49.45 | Qzot | Basically, post a recommendation in the mailing list (not the grouphub) and why you think they'd be a great add. Wait a couple days. Assuming no one specifically objects, guild them in-game. |
| 18:51.24 | Thrae | I don't get it. |
| 18:51.32 | Qzot | mt |
| 18:51.33 | Kirkburn|play | This link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqDgW6n6HM0) ... you have GOT to watch the 9th and 10th mins |
| 18:54.02 | Fanook | *sigh* why must Blizzard keep changing its German localization.... |
| 18:55.50 | zenzelezz | warum nicht? |
| 18:56.57 | Kirkburn|play | You know what's really odd ... I download sinsmod (circular unit frames) - it comes with the CF fonts, but doesn't seem to use them :P |
| 18:58.39 | Fanook | didnt the 1.11 patch mess with how fonts are used? |
| 18:59.34 | Kirkburn|play | Nothing that affected me (except a game bug) |
| 19:08.38 | zenzelezz | I don't remember the non-combat pets displaying the name of their owner before 1.11? |
| 19:08.59 | End | you don't remember them doing it because they didn't ;p |
| 19:09.06 | End | that is indeed a new addition |
| 19:09.16 | zenzelezz | that's sort of what I was asking :) |
| 19:09.16 | End | (well, one or two did before 1.11) |
| 19:09.28 | End | yeah, and I was answering in a smartass sort of way :P |
| 19:09.42 | zenzelezz | just in the "was I just blind" kind of way... cause I've been known to ignore the obvious |
| 19:10.13 | End | I think it was because they changed the way pet nametags work for combat and non-combat |
| 19:10.22 | End | they made it "more consistant" |
| 19:10.37 | End | so, all beast-type are pets, humanoids are minions, etc etc |
| 19:15.17 | Kirkburn|play | It was in the notes |
| 19:15.31 | Kirkburn|play | I'm off out ... see ya'll later |
| 19:15.39 | End | yeah, I seem to remember mention there or somewhere similar |
| 19:15.43 | End | cya Kirkburn|play |
| 19:16.02 | Thrae | I think wowinterface should adopt a SVN. It would give them a huge edge when it comes to updating addons, at the very least. |
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| 19:21.16 | Ktron | Time to figure out SavedVariables, and if I get that all set, release my first public addon |
| 19:22.29 | Wobin | Thrae: Totally |
| 19:23.10 | Mikk1 | I'd move to a wowi SVN in a blink |
| 19:25.10 | Iriel | You're proposing wowi become the new sourceforge? |
| 19:25.37 | Thrae | Sourceforge uses CVS, not SVN. |
| 19:25.59 | Thrae | To my knowledge. |
| 19:26.07 | Cairenn | it's already been a subject of discussion |
| 19:26.14 | Cairenn | you never know what the future may hold |
| 19:26.16 | Wobin | Oh I'd love to be able to select my whole addon folder and choose 'update' =) |
| 19:26.49 | Iriel | Sourceforge has both |
| 19:26.55 | Iriel | And it's not that it 'uses' either |
| 19:26.58 | Iriel | it 'provides' both |
| 19:27.26 | Thrae | Ah. Well, I wonder how Sourceforge would feel about the entire WoW modding and mod-using community moving to it ;) |
| 19:27.36 | Iriel | But this is where i'm puzzled |
| 19:27.43 | Iriel | Are you talking about svn for developers, or end-users? |
| 19:27.50 | Iriel | They're entirely different problems to solve |
| 19:27.52 | Thrae | Both, Iriel. |
| 19:28.28 | Thrae | End-users would get the standard read-only access to the SVN. I'm trying to figure out how that would work with WoWI. |
| 19:29.04 | Ktron | would "if (sfind(comm,"[Ll][Ff][Gg]") ~= nil) then" be the quickest (as in runtime) way to match 'lfg' ingoring capitalization? |
| 19:29.09 | Iriel | So we expect end users to be able to configure a subversion client, and know how to fix it when they get odd conflicts? |
| 19:29.13 | Ktron | (comm being the variable I'm matching) |
| 19:29.33 | Cide | Ktron: string.find(string.lower(comm), "lfg") ? |
| 19:29.38 | Thrae | Ktron: Nah, sfind( string.lower(comm, "lfg") ) |
| 19:29.42 | Iriel | I think ktron's is more efficient |
| 19:29.53 | Iriel | since it doesn't create a throwaway temporary string |
| 19:30.00 | Thrae | Hmm, point |
| 19:30.24 | Thrae | What about comm = string.lower(comm) string.find(comm,"lfg") |
| 19:30.42 | Cide | pattern matches are still pretty quick, I wonder which one is faster |
| 19:30.45 | Iriel | You're still creating an unnecessary string |
| 19:30.50 | Ktron | I wasn't sure how comparisons worked, wasn't sure if "if (string.lower(comm) == "lfg") then" would be faster |
| 19:31.06 | Iriel | what?> |
| 19:31.06 | Ktron | but my gut was my first one |
| 19:31.11 | Iriel | you're going between string.find and == |
| 19:31.21 | Thrae | Ktron: Are you looking for "lfg" as the substring or the WHOLE string? |
| 19:31.24 | Iriel | Are you looking for a substring or looking for case-insensitive-equals? |
| 19:33.21 | Ktron | case insensitive equals... I guess I meant more of "if (sfind(comm,"[Ll][Ff][Gg]") == 1) then"... this is to parse what comes after a slash command, there will be no other lfg* options so if I just lump them together it won't be a problem |
| 19:34.13 | Ktron | truthfully, I can even imagine a situation where *lfg* would be used, but I doubt it takes more power to match it to 1 than nil |
| 19:34.20 | Ktron | er, time |
| 19:34.27 | Iriel | well, case insensitive equals will make string.lower better |
| 19:34.57 | Ktron | and string.lower is probably faster than string.find anyway |
| 19:35.36 | Ktron | Alright, thanks Iriel, Thrae, Cide |
| 19:36.21 | Mikk1 | Cairenn / Wobin: Imo, end users would benefit more from being able to say "gimme my whole collection of favorites in a single zip, please" in the main web ui |
| 19:36.49 | Wobin | oh yes |
| 19:36.50 | Mikk1 | Though I wouldn't mind being able to say, as a developer, "gimme bleeding-edge version of all my addons" via SVN =) |
| 19:37.07 | Ktron | Well, I'm not sure, but I could see some argument being made that forcing users to actually browse WoWI couldn't be a bad thing |
| 19:37.17 | Mikk1 | True Ktron |
| 19:38.43 | Mikk1 | And, yeah, I do have WoWBench on sourceforge. But ... arf... setting up projects there is a slight pain imo. |
| 19:39.22 | Mikk1 | And I can't help but feel like I'm intruding on someone else's space with something that doesn't quite belong =( |
| 19:40.30 | Mikk1 | Speaking of... does someone here have a mod that uses 1.11 stuff that I can playtest WoWBench with? Pleeeeaaaaase? =) |
| 19:40.38 | End | I set up my own svn server. |
| 19:41.07 | Mikk1 | Aye but then you're missing out on the whole community aspect of the thing |
| 19:41.12 | Mikk1 | Which may or may not matter to your mods |
| 19:41.14 | Mikk1 | It sure matters to me |
| 19:41.52 | Tain | It seems like a waste to me to download all of your "favorite" addons in a single archive when each is only updated individually once in a while. |
| 19:42.17 | End | well, I can hand out access to it, but noone has seemed interested in doing any development in any of my addons (for the most part), so I haven't offered to anyone |
| 19:42.32 | Mikk1 | Tain: Aye, but downloading a new copy of most addons is actually less expensive than browsing the addon's web page, in bandwidth terms =) |
| 19:43.05 | Tain | you think so? |
| 19:43.25 | Tain | I haven't measured of course, but that seems counter-intuitive to me offhand. |
| 19:43.31 | Tain | I mean web pages are pretty light. |
| 19:44.15 | Wobin | woo http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-suggestions&T=879408&P=1 |
| 19:44.28 | Tain | I mean I do think it could be a nice option to have. I wouldn't use it because I do prefer updating granularly and knowing exactly what I'm installing. |
| 19:44.39 | Tain | Which means download a new version, delete the old version from my addons directory, install the new. |
| 19:45.11 | Mikk1 | FuBar - SummonFu: Total: 107kb |
| 19:45.35 | Thrae | Tain: You could just specify a different directory to SVN Update. |
| 19:45.43 | Tain | Ug too many pages, summarize what you're linking Wobin! |
| 19:45.50 | Thrae | I do that with svn.wowace. |
| 19:45.59 | Mikk1 | SummonFu.zip: 3kb |
| 19:46.00 | Tain | I treat svn completely different than downloading from a UI site though. |
| 19:46.01 | Wobin | Tain Just the first post is all you need to read |
| 19:46.09 | Wobin | LFG system |
| 19:46.13 | Tain | Oh. |
| 19:46.15 | Wobin | that Blizzard should implement |
| 19:46.35 | Thrae | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24702#post24702 |
| 19:46.53 | Tain | I have to stay out of even worrying about those, I wouldn't pay a MMORPG that I had to spend most of my time looking for pickup groups again. |
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| 19:48.23 | Thrae | Wobin: I made a similiar post, but I just said "Add something like CallToArms". It's much more concise ;) |
| 19:48.37 | Wobin | and didn't have a nifty picture! |
| 19:48.56 | Thrae | It had a link to CallToArms, and in the link there are more then 1 pictures ;) |
| 19:51.52 | Ktron | I'm almost done my LFG addon |
| 19:56.46 | Thrae | You know, I'm looking at what CTAChannel spouts out and it's already pretty human-readable. CTA would need a very small mod to a) stop forwarding LFG from the LFG channel, b) put CTA information at the end of the message, and c) Increase time inbetween queue'd repeats. |
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| 20:03.08 | Buttink | anyone know if the raid icon thigys (the circle and star over peoples heads) are able to be edited by a xml maybe im just not searching hard enought but i cant find it |
| 20:03.21 | End | I'm pretty sure you can't change them. |
| 20:03.50 | Buttink | gar does the SetRaidTarget("unit", index) set it at least |
| 20:04.07 | End | that just sets which one to use on a unit's head |
| 20:04.15 | Buttink | better then nothing |
| 20:04.25 | End | but you can only use the 8 given to us |
| 20:05.07 | Buttink | u woudlnt happend to know where in the Art the buttons are would u?????? |
| 20:05.14 | Buttink | the cirlce and crap |
| 20:05.15 | Industrial | I just met someone ingame whos 52 years old |
| 20:05.15 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:05.19 | Buttink | wow |
| 20:05.40 | Industrial | Now I hav to get my dad to play |
| 20:05.54 | End | Buttink, probably textures/ |
| 20:06.57 | Buttink | ok let me check the endless amounts of BLPs |
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| 20:09.51 | wereHamster | you can't change the game art anyway.. or doesn't Blizzard protect those files yet? |
| 20:10.17 | End | probably protected |
| 20:10.38 | End | thus --> < End> I'm pretty sure you can't change them. |
| 20:11.18 | Tentacled | how you can't change the game art? Whatever you put into Interface/ takes precedence over what's in the archives... |
| 20:11.44 | Iriel | That's interface art |
| 20:11.46 | Iriel | not game art |
| 20:12.01 | Tentacled | Oh. Indeed that might be a difference. Shutting up now. |
| 20:12.51 | End | I don't think it is considered inteface art |
| 20:13.23 | End | er, interface even |
| 20:13.23 | Iriel | If it appears in 3D, it's not interface art |
| 20:13.54 | End | that was my reasoning too |
| 20:14.03 | Depherios | yeah, you can change the buttons, I have a couple changed |
| 20:14.10 | End | (but I just don't have self confidence) ;p |
| 20:14.14 | Guillotine | is there any way to make your own b2 files to make your own 3d graphics to use? |
| 20:14.23 | End | m2 you mean? |
| 20:14.40 | Iriel | Even if there was, the 1.11 lockdown of Data overrides would make me think 'no' |
| 20:15.13 | Tentacled | Iriel: technically, everything is 3D, even the silly minimap ping. Why, remains a mystery. |
| 20:15.47 | Depherios | no, the minimap is rendered using the engine, but not thingsl ike portraits (which is why my mask is sill replaced) or the flat art peices of the interface like buttons, overlays and whatnot |
| 20:17.22 | Depherios | not sure how portraits work O_o guess they just snap a pic of the model or something? *shrug* |
| 20:17.52 | End | no, it's something at least -slightly- different |
| 20:17.57 | Buttink | hey what do u guys use to view blp files myns being gay |
| 20:18.14 | End | the models contain information on how to generate the portrait I think |
| 20:18.42 | Iriel | Tentacled : By 'Appears in 3D' i mean "is anchored to the world, and not to the screen" |
| 20:18.48 | End | but the portrait information doesn't -have- to exist, which is why sometimes you end up with things with no portrait |
| 20:18.55 | End | like moonkin for a while |
| 20:19.07 | End | (at least, that's what it looks like to me) |
| 20:19.35 | Tentacled | Iriel: fine with me. :) |
| 20:20.19 | End | (actually, maybe it's just it requires a position to be stored on the model for where the camera is for portraits...?) |
| 20:20.35 | End | (enough guessing, it could be any number of things) |
| 20:20.58 | Iriel | Depherios : For the 'standard' unit frames, there's an API method that renders a unit's model onto a texture |
| 20:21.19 | Depherios | ahh |
| 20:21.46 | End | I just wonder how/when it gets rendered |
| 20:23.05 | Thrae | Alright, I quickly modded CTA to stop accepting forwarded messages from local LFG, but now it's not scanning the LFG channel, hmm... |
| 20:23.09 | Iriel | THe when being when the method is called |
| 20:23.24 | Iriel | You can sometimes fix the 'missing portrait' problem by re-invoking it |
| 20:23.28 | End | oh? |
| 20:23.31 | End | I didn't know that. |
| 20:23.34 | End | interesting... |
| 20:23.51 | JoshBorke | anyone have the URL for Clique? |
| 20:24.08 | Iriel | SetPortraitTexture (texture, "unit") - (x,x) API |
| 20:25.25 | Iriel | There's also SetPortraitToTexture("Texture", "path") - not sure why that's necessary but it's present. |
| 20:25.47 | End | path? |
| 20:25.49 | Depherios | doesn't arch use that to replace the portrait with the class textures? |
| 20:25.50 | End | path to what? |
| 20:26.02 | Iriel | path to an image file |
| 20:26.11 | End | hmmm |
| 20:26.15 | Depherios | .... wait a minute |
| 20:26.56 | Depherios | eh... I see no use for that lol (was trying to think of a use for jacking a portrait to force-mask things |
| 20:27.19 | JoshBorke | ~logs |
| 20:27.22 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 20:27.30 | Iriel | Oh, that's what it's for |
| 20:27.38 | Iriel | it'll apply the portrait mask to the texture |
| 20:27.56 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ for this channel specifically |
| 20:29.00 | JoshBorke | yea, but what i REALLY want is the clique URL, do you have that handy? ^_^ |
| 20:29.37 | Cairenn | finding it |
| 20:31.37 | Cairenn | what neat stats thing? |
| 20:31.58 | End | the last thing purl mentioned about stats |
| 20:32.03 | End | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/ |
| 20:32.08 | End | pretty pointless |
| 20:32.15 | End | but still, neat |
| 20:34.02 | JoshBorke | so we can all know who talks the most |
| 20:34.09 | JoshBorke | *cough*legorol*cough* |
| 20:34.30 | Guillotine | End, are you by any chance Endx7? |
| 20:34.55 | End | yes |
| 20:35.13 | End | I'm just trying to confuse people! |
| 20:35.13 | Guillotine | theres an error with Yatlas when you mouseover the button with the newest version |
| 20:35.33 | End | which error is that? |
| 20:35.33 | Guillotine | I'll give you the error in one moment... |
| 20:35.35 | End | ok |
| 20:36.02 | Guillotine | ok... it just fixed itself when I reloaded the UI again |
| 20:36.11 | End | weird |
| 20:36.11 | Guillotine | could just be my computer doing its usual corruption thing |
| 20:36.52 | End | incidently, someone was having an error where GetAddOnMetadata was returning nil on a value, but I suspect they installed and reloaded their ui without restarting |
| 20:37.24 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: http://svn.wowace.com/root/branches/Clique/Unstable/Clique |
| 20:37.30 | End | since I added X-LastChangedDate to the toc in the latest version |
| 20:37.35 | JoshBorke | ( Cairenn ): Thanks! |
| 20:37.39 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 20:37.52 | JoshBorke | think i'm finally going to get rid of castparty |
| 20:37.53 | End | which maps to the svn tag, which means that every time I change the Version tag, the last changed date gets changed too |
| 20:42.47 | Thrae | Hmmm. Looks like I'll probably have to re-write the lua of CTA from the ground-up to get what I want. There are too many hacks and way too much code I'd just throw out. |
| 20:43.50 | Kaso | is there any tools around to help me track down which addon is causing me to leak memory? |
| 20:44.11 | JoshBorke | ( Kaso ): i wish :-( |
| 20:44.26 | Kaso | damnit |
| 20:44.27 | End | leak memory? like...creating frames and losing them sort of leaking memory? |
| 20:45.00 | Thrae | Kaso: OnEventWatch, MyDebug, LuaProfiler, Fubar+Fubar_PerformanceFu |
| 20:45.19 | JoshBorke | basically fubar+fubar performance and go 1 by 1 |
| 20:45.28 | Thrae | Oh, and, of course, LoadIT to help you do trial-and-error. |
| 20:45.49 | Kaso | cool, thats plenty for me to be looking through thanks. |
| 20:46.18 | JoshBorke | does loadit work with any mod? |
| 20:46.51 | Thrae | To my knowledge, JoshBorke. |
| 20:49.58 | Buttink | if AddOnIsLoaded("Flexbar") returns true but i cant call functions from flexbar becouse it says they dont exist THEN a few secs later it works then what is the point of this function |
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| 20:52.59 | Thrae | Hmmm, what's the problem here: if not frame:IsVisible() then self:Print("Show frame!") frame:Show() end |
| 20:53.18 | Thrae | Where frame:GetParent() = UIParent |
| 20:54.14 | Thrae | I just changed it to frame:IsShown() and the same thing happens. |
| 20:54.31 | Thrae | Errr, that being, it doesn't seem to care whether the frame is already shown. |
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| 20:57.49 | JoshBorke | woohoo, put clique support into perl frames |
| 20:57.52 | chuckg | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/elvandar01/patchwerk1.jpg |
| 20:57.56 | chuckg | Oops. |
| 20:57.59 | chuckg | WRong channel! |
| 20:58.02 | JoshBorke | lol chuck |
| 20:59.42 | Shadowed | Anyone off the top of there head know the URL for reporting accounts that are sold? |
| 21:00.30 | Shadowed | Some idiot bought someone elses account, applied to our guild then posted it up for sale with a CTProfile. He forgot to unguild his character from the CTProfile so we found out! |
| 21:00.46 | Guillotine | lol |
| 21:00.48 | Guillotine | burned |
| 21:00.49 | Cairenn | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowgm/?id=agm01712p |
| 21:00.53 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 21:00.57 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 21:03.32 | JoshBorke | anyway to turn off the clique spam without removing the lines from the code? |
| 21:03.45 | Qzot | I love business meetings. |
| 21:07.17 | Beladona | Thrae: have you tried the reverse logic? if ( frame:IsShown() ) then self:Print("Frame is Shown"); else self:Print("Frame is not Shown"); frame:Show(); end |
| 21:08.03 | Beladona | I gotta run (or drive actually) home, but I will log in when I get there =D |
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| 21:10.39 | Thrae | Nevermind, my error. |
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| 21:19.50 | JoshBorke | ( cladhaire ): wb |
| 21:22.04 | cladhaire | o hai =) |
| 21:22.11 | cladhaire | about to go mow th lawn for the next 19 hours =( |
| 21:23.04 | End | o_O |
| 21:25.32 | AnduinLothar | lol |
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| 21:35.21 | Shadowed | Hmm, whats the new properity addded to Config.wtf to change how screenshots are saved? |
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| 21:36.50 | Shadowed | ah screenshotFormat |
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| 21:40.31 | Guillotine | that would make sence |
| 21:40.53 | Elkano | only works on mac, doesn't it? |
| 21:41.08 | Shadowed | Wheres it say that? |
| 21:41.09 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 21:41.17 | Shadowed | well damn |
| 21:41.21 | AnduinLothar | its in the mac section of the patch notes |
| 21:41.23 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 21:41.29 | Elkano | well, it was in the Mac part of the patch notes ^^ |
| 21:41.30 | Shadowed | to be fair i didn't notice! |
| 21:41.42 | Shadowed | would be nice to get that for the windows version though |
| 21:41.50 | Cide | Shadowed: doesn't work on windows? |
| 21:42.19 | Elkano | iirc mac comes with libs for jpeg compression, but windows doesn't |
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| 21:42.32 | AnduinLothar | because they're gpl'd on unix |
| 21:42.43 | End | gpl'd wouldn't help |
| 21:42.57 | AnduinLothar | free to redistribute |
| 21:43.08 | End | that doesn't mean they are gpl'd |
| 21:43.08 | Shadowed | Would still be nice! |
| 21:44.21 | AnduinLothar | stop being contradictory end |
| 21:44.45 | AnduinLothar | if they wanted to distribute them on pc it would probably cost $ |
| 21:45.33 | End | "the" jpeg library is available on windows anyways |
| 21:45.54 | End | with the same license as it is anywhere else |
| 21:46.02 | AnduinLothar | good for it, go make a script that auto converts your screenshot dir |
| 21:46.10 | AnduinLothar | you'll be famous |
| 21:46.17 | End | ... |
| 21:47.14 | End | in any case, I wouldn't be surprised if OSX had its own special api to deal with jpeg images |
| 21:49.32 | End | (which is probably why it is mac only) |
| 21:52.41 | End | (ok, in any case, if they wanted to integrate jpeg screenshots into WoW, the relevant portion of the license would be: If only executable code is distributed, then the accompanying documentation must state that "this software is based in part on the work of the Independent JPEG Group") |
| 21:52.58 | End | (integrate jpeg screenshots for windows that is) |
| 21:53.05 | End | (using libjpeg) |
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| 22:17.20 | Iriel | Is whoever posts on the wiki as 'jbcc' here? |
| 22:18.05 | Cairenn | es |
| 22:18.18 | Cairenn | Esamyn (sp?) |
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| 22:22.54 | Iriel | Ah, that makes some sense. |
| 22:22.59 | Cairenn | *nod* |
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| 22:31.20 | Arog | hey |
| 22:31.22 | Cairenn | hey |
| 22:31.58 | KaeltenAway | Iriel: you wouldn't happen to know the earliest that UnitFactionGroup can return data would you? |
| 22:31.58 | Arog | how's it going? |
| 22:32.38 | Iriel | I would imagine it depends on the unit 8-) |
| 22:32.39 | Beladona | did Thrae ever figure out his IsShown, IsVisible issue? |
| 22:32.55 | Iriel | Beladona : I believe he said it was his bug |
| 22:33.09 | Shadowed | [10:10] <Thrae> Nevermind, my error. |
| 22:33.23 | Beladona | kinda had a feeling, but didn't want to make that my first suggestion =P |
| 22:33.24 | Kaelten | Iriel: player :) |
| 22:34.38 | wereHamster | player is usually available when WoW parses the lua files.. at least UnitClass, UnitName etc.. I's say it's the same with UnitFactionGroup |
| 22:34.46 | Iriel | Kaelten : It /should/ be ready at P_E_W, I'm not sure if before |
| 22:34.54 | Iriel | It's almost certainly NOT available at the start |
| 22:35.03 | Iriel | Only a handful of player properties are available then |
| 22:35.08 | Kaelten | its not at load I can say that for sure |
| 22:35.59 | Iriel | How about UNIT_FACTION arg1 == "player" ? |
| 22:37.06 | Kaelten | hmm let me try a few things. |
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| 22:41.06 | Beladona | picking up the kids is function in his mod? |
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| 22:45.51 | JoshBorke | table.sort(tbl,function(a,b) return (a.dkp < b.dkp) end) should work, right? |
| 22:46.12 | Iriel | if tbl is an array of tables with dkp entries, yes |
| 22:46.29 | JoshBorke | hrm |
| 22:46.38 | Iriel | if it's a name-keyed table of entries, no |
| 22:47.22 | JoshBorke | i populate tbl with: tempTbl = { dkp = 5, name = 'bob' }, table.insert(tbl,tempTbl) |
| 22:48.02 | Iriel | then that should work just fine |
| 22:49.02 | JoshBorke | of course before i ask it wasn't working. i change nothing and after i ask it just works :-( |
| 22:50.08 | Iriel | I'm fairly sure you changed SOMETHING |
| 22:50.23 | JoshBorke | honestly, i have no idea what i'm doing :D |
| 22:50.24 | Iriel | Bear in mind it's not a stable sort |
| 22:50.40 | Iriel | so multiple entries with the same dkp will be in an arbitrary order |
| 22:50.51 | JoshBorke | yea, noticed that |
| 22:51.13 | JoshBorke | a < a returns false, along with (a < a-1) |
| 22:51.15 | Industrial | How do I find out arguments of PET_BAR_SHOWGRID and PET_BAR_HIDEGRID? |
| 22:51.18 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.21 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.24 | Industrial | no worky |
| 22:51.26 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:51.47 | Cide | RegisterEvent only takes one argument I thought |
| 22:52.05 | Fanook | it does, the name of the event |
| 22:52.08 | Industrial | ack |
| 22:52.16 | Industrial | then um, what do i handle it with |
| 22:52.20 | End | OnEvent |
| 22:52.23 | Fanook | the onEvent function needs to differentiate |
| 22:52.33 | Cide | so you'd have to add Petbar:SetScript("OnEvent", function() if (event == "PET_BAR_SHOWGRID" ) then Petbar:Show(); elseif ( event == "PET_BAR_HIDEGRID" ) then Petbar:Hide(); end end); |
| 22:52.39 | Industrial | bleh :( |
| 22:52.55 | Industrial | I liked my idea better ;D |
| 22:52.59 | Industrial | *pokes blizzard* |
| 22:53.01 | Fanook | *shrug* on the plus side, dragonling pets are minions |
| 22:54.24 | Legorol | this is just mean: I just found out turtle pets in general have the Turtle Shell ability. However, mine doesn't, because I tamed it before the ability was added to the game. |
| 22:54.36 | End | lol |
| 22:54.44 | Legorol | When asking a GM as to how I could get it on my turtle, they said well you can't, unless you tame another turtle and learn it |
| 22:54.50 | Legorol | but I already have three pets |
| 22:54.54 | End | erp |
| 22:54.56 | End | that's a problem |
| 22:55.15 | Industrial | Why? do the pets cost money? (the learning) |
| 22:55.26 | zenzelezz | no, but you must level them |
| 22:55.32 | Industrial | so grab a new one |
| 22:55.33 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:55.35 | Legorol | Industrial: they take ages to accumulate Training Points |
| 22:55.40 | Cide | you can just tame it, learn the ability, teach it to your new pet |
| 22:55.40 | Industrial | hmm |
| 22:55.45 | Cide | err, old pet |
| 22:55.49 | Cide | can't you? |
| 22:55.51 | Legorol | Cide: no i can't, because i already have 3 pets |
| 22:55.54 | End | Cide, he doesn't have slots! |
| 22:55.54 | Arog | arg!!! |
| 22:56.02 | End | his stable is full! |
| 22:56.04 | Tain | So it's the same issue as any other pet ability that you don't have. |
| 22:56.18 | End | yes, but Legorol is a noob |
| 22:56.23 | End | ;p |
| 22:56.25 | Industrial | Keep 1 slot open? |
| 22:56.25 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:56.36 | Industrial | 'oo thats a nice ability' *learn* |
| 22:56.38 | Qzot | Legorol: Hunters know you always need to keep one slot free for junk. |
| 22:56.41 | Legorol | when I pressed the GM about this, he said: well tough luck, when we add new pet abilities to the game they are added to wild animals, and they don't apply it retroactively to pets |
| 22:56.45 | Tain | Really you do have to keep one empty so you can keep learning new abilities. |
| 22:57.02 | Qzot | Legorol: 3 slots => 2 usable, 1 slot to train trash pets. Sad, but true. |
| 22:57.07 | Qzot | Tain: Yes. |
| 22:57.12 | Legorol | but only because Blizz keeps adding abilities, which I can't get otherwise |
| 22:57.17 | Legorol | this is frustrating |
| 22:57.17 | Iriel | Legorol : They changed it 'recently' so that levelling pets is faster |
| 22:57.19 | Legorol | my heart will be broken |
| 22:57.20 | Tain | No, not at all. |
| 22:57.20 | Qzot | Otherwise you won't even be able to learn higher-level abilities. |
| 22:57.35 | Tain | You can't learn ANY existing abilities that you don'w know if you don't tame new pets. |
| 22:57.43 | Legorol | yes i know that |
| 22:57.46 | Qzot | Not just abilities, but better versions of what you already know. |
| 22:57.49 | Thrae | Any idea why anymore then 1 tab doesn't show the middle texture correctly -- http://pastebin.com/726412 |
| 22:58.01 | Tain | So you're just complaining that you didn't get something free. :) |
| 22:58.02 | zenzelezz | what pets do you have aside from the turtle? |
| 22:58.15 | Legorol | but other classes, when they get new abilities, can just go to the trainer and buy it |
| 22:58.22 | Legorol | Tain: i am happy to pay |
| 22:58.24 | Legorol | i am happy to spend time |
| 22:58.26 | End | I think he's complaining he'd have to destroy a pet |
| 22:58.38 | Legorol | i am happy with anything, except abandoning one of my three pets i got attached to |
| 22:58.40 | Tain | Well honestly that's part of being a Hunter. |
| 22:58.41 | Qzot | Blizz wants you to become emotionally attached to your pets. |
| 22:58.46 | Qzot | Just net *3* of them. :( |
| 22:58.49 | End | lol |
| 22:58.57 | Tain | You will have to abandon one of your pets if you ever want to learn new abilities out there in the world. |
| 22:58.59 | Legorol | Tain: yes i realise that now |
| 22:59.11 | Iriel | I personally make sure I always have a throwaway slot |
| 22:59.12 | Qzot | I was really sad the day I had to put my Strider Clutchmother down. |
| 22:59.21 | Tain | You have to keep a throwaway slot. |
| 22:59.24 | Iriel | Yes, it limits the number of pets I will be able to persistently keep |
| 22:59.24 | Legorol | Qzot: not putting down! |
| 22:59.26 | Legorol | i never put down pets |
| 22:59.30 | Legorol | i let them go back to the wild |
| 22:59.30 | Iriel | but I avoid the attachment issue |
| 22:59.37 | Qzot | I try to return them to the wild. |
| 22:59.39 | Tain | Of course once I found out you couldn't tame Zheva I gave up on being a hunter. |
| 22:59.48 | Qzot | But they never actually run away. I assume they die. |
| 22:59.49 | Legorol | who is Zheva? |
| 22:59.53 | Tain | and Giraffes! |
| 22:59.58 | Tain | Why can't I tame a giraffe! |
| 23:00.00 | Qzot | And no longer exist anywhere in the metaverse. :( |
| 23:00.01 | Fanook | zhevra, the zebra thingies in the barrens |
| 23:00.02 | Cairenn | the zebra/unicorn cross |
| 23:00.10 | Legorol | ah right |
| 23:00.16 | Fanook | used to be able to tame them, then they took away the ability to feed them |
| 23:00.20 | Industrial | Can anyone help me with my bar addon? http://tinyurl.com/obebl I need to figure out why the petbar isnt hiding when you dismiss the pet |
| 23:00.21 | zenzelezz | Zhevra, isn't it? |
| 23:00.23 | Tain | I so wanted a giraffe. |
| 23:00.28 | Qzot | I haven't told my hunter-daughter that she will never be able to tame a kodo or a thunder lizard. I don't have the heart. |
| 23:00.32 | Iriel | Qzot: Maybe it's just a visual representation of you forgetting about their existance |
| 23:00.46 | Qzot | Iriel: Forgetting about what? |
| 23:00.46 | Iriel | I really wanted a thunder lizard pet |
| 23:00.47 | Industrial | Qzot: ;o |
| 23:00.50 | zenzelezz | I'd roll a hunter if I could tame a core hound |
| 23:00.53 | Thrae | Iriel: Can you see where the code I posted detracts from CharacterFrameTemplates.xml ? |
| 23:00.56 | Iriel | Qzot: Your pet (unless that was a bad pun) |
| 23:01.01 | End | aren't thunder lizards a little big? :X |
| 23:01.07 | Qzot | Iriel: (It was a bad pun.) |
| 23:01.15 | Tain | Ooh now if I could tame a Devilsaur... |
| 23:01.16 | Qzot | End: Exactly. |
| 23:01.17 | Industrial | Can anyone help me with my bar addon? http://tinyurl.com/obebl I need to figure out why the petbar isnt hiding when you dismiss the pet |
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| 23:01.20 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:01.21 | Qzot | Tain. Oooo. |
| 23:01.35 | Legorol | Industrial, I think we saw it the first time round too ;-) |
| 23:01.42 | Industrial | Legorol: really? :P |
| 23:01.51 | Legorol | well.. maybe not, i'm not sure. |
| 23:01.53 | Legorol | let me see.. |
| 23:01.59 | Legorol | no i didn't see it |
| 23:02.01 | Industrial | yay |
| 23:02.02 | Industrial | :d |
| 23:02.06 | Qzot | Imagine all the poor kiddies peeing in their pants when your Devilsaur rezzes in. :D |
| 23:02.43 | zenzelezz | tamable black drakes would be fun |
| 23:03.10 | Qzot | Altho, my daughter (a hordie) is very happy with her moonstalker. |
| 23:03.15 | Thrae | If you are doing getglobal( ButtonName .. "Text" ), what type of object are you getting? |
| 23:03.24 | Fanook | i have a dark whelpling, more brown than black, but still |
| 23:03.26 | Thrae | A FontString? |
| 23:03.34 | End | are moonstalkers the little dark cats in darkshore? |
| 23:03.37 | Fanook | aye |
| 23:03.40 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 23:03.49 | End | my horde hunter has one of those :P |
| 23:03.54 | Qzot | Zebra-striped kitties. |
| 23:04.01 | End | ok, yup, that's the one |
| 23:04.09 | Qzot | My hunter has a Teldrassil owl. Still. At level 48. |
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| 23:04.20 | Fanook | my dwarf braved WC solo and grabbed one of the wind serpents from in there |
| 23:04.33 | zenzelezz | I find level 60 hunters with the boar pet interesting |
| 23:04.39 | Legorol | Turtle, Bear or Scorpid, which one gets the axe? |
| 23:04.41 | End | Legorol: more happy please! |
| 23:04.50 | Legorol | sure, End, how about this: |
| 23:04.58 | Qzot | Wow. A real fan of tank pets, Leg. |
| 23:04.58 | Legorol | Yay! I get to eat one of my pets for dinner tonight |
| 23:05.11 | End | uhmmm sounds tasty? |
| 23:05.17 | Shadowed | Legorol: bear |
| 23:05.19 | Industrial | scorpid |
| 23:05.20 | Legorol | nooooooooooo |
| 23:05.23 | End | turtle |
| 23:05.26 | Shadowed | Anyone who has gone to darkshore hates bears |
| 23:05.26 | zenzelezz | Legorol: doesn't that contradict the "not putting down" thing? |
| 23:05.36 | Industrial | scorpid |
| 23:05.37 | End | that way you can abandon your turtle to learn a turtle skill, muahahaha |
| 23:05.39 | Legorol | zenzelezz: i was only obliging End |
| 23:05.57 | Legorol | ok: Bear is the one I had longest and have the most attachment to |
| 23:06.00 | Arog | how many alts do you guys have? |
| 23:06.02 | Legorol | Turtle is the one that's trained best |
| 23:06.05 | zenzelezz | 0 |
| 23:06.10 | End | then get rid of scorpid |
| 23:06.15 | Arog | zenzelezz just 1 main char? |
| 23:06.19 | Legorol | Arog: that depends on your definition of what a main and an alt is |
| 23:06.19 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 23:06.26 | Legorol | personally, i have about 5 mains |
| 23:06.29 | Legorol | and 25 alts |
| 23:06.31 | Arog | heh |
| 23:06.32 | End | lol |
| 23:06.41 | Arog | my firend has a level 60 mage on Warsong. Trying to get him to start over on a pve server |
| 23:06.42 | zenzelezz | I don't even have a bank alt |
| 23:06.45 | Arog | cuz I hate pvp |
| 23:06.56 | Arog | (servers that is) |
| 23:07.05 | Legorol | I understand that most people play one character first, to high level, and that is their "main" |
| 23:07.11 | Legorol | and when they reach 60, they may make "alts" |
| 23:07.14 | Legorol | I just don't work like that |
| 23:07.18 | Industrial | I have 20 alts |
| 23:07.18 | JoshBorke | who has done a lot of with with StaticPopups? |
| 23:07.20 | Industrial | no main |
| 23:07.21 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:07.23 | Arog | Legorol I figure that the chars that you play the most is your main |
| 23:07.28 | Arog | like, you might raid with 3-4 chars |
| 23:07.29 | Qzot | On the 2 servers where I've spent the most time, I've always had 2 mains. Nearly the same level. |
| 23:07.30 | Arog | but |
| 23:07.31 | Legorol | Arog: yes |
| 23:07.34 | Legorol | eehm.. no |
| 23:07.35 | Shadowed | You can't really raid with 3-4 chars though |
| 23:07.37 | Legorol | I don't raid with any |
| 23:07.37 | Fanook | i dont either. i play 5 chars, all around the same level, all with different professions :) |
| 23:07.40 | End | Legorol would probably have a hard time saying which is the mainiest of his mains |
| 23:07.45 | Arog | Shadowed sure you can. maybe with 2 chars |
| 23:07.46 | End | I would guess at least |
| 23:07.47 | Shadowed | You could raid with one main and then your alts for fun |
| 23:07.55 | Arog | I know someone wh owas raiding with 2 chars, two different guilds, 2 different servers |
| 23:07.56 | Shadowed | But raiding with 2-3 at a time would be fairly hard |
| 23:08.01 | Qzot | Arog: Most raiding guilds want a single main. And will be upset if you spend raiding time on an alt. |
| 23:08.06 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 23:08.08 | Legorol | End: recently my guild introduced a policy whereby every member had to designate a main |
| 23:08.10 | Legorol | for DKP purposes |
| 23:08.11 | Arog | Qzot It just depends |
| 23:08.16 | Legorol | alts are not allowed to have DKP or bid in raids |
| 23:08.18 | Arog | some guilds might have a lot of mages or something |
| 23:08.24 | End | Legorol: so what did you do? |
| 23:08.24 | Arog | so you do not have to show up sometimes |
| 23:08.27 | Industrial | Legorol: fair |
| 23:08.28 | Arog | and you can raid with your other char |
| 23:08.38 | Legorol | the purpose of this policy is to get fewer characters more gear, rather than spreading the gear thinly |
| 23:08.40 | Shadowed | Legorol: Odd policy, most guilds let alts bid on stuff |
| 23:08.41 | Legorol | which is perfectly fine |
| 23:08.50 | Shadowed | Thats why you only let them bid on stuff mains don't want! |
| 23:08.53 | Arog | this person had a level 60 rogue/mage. Raiding on both of those, on different servers. |
| 23:08.57 | Legorol | Alts still get loot if no mains want to bid |
| 23:09.01 | Legorol | Shadowed: yeah |
| 23:09.08 | Kebinusan | we just gift things to alts |
| 23:09.12 | Kebinusan | if no mains want it |
| 23:09.20 | Legorol | if no mains want it, in our case alts roll |
| 23:09.23 | Legorol | anyway, that's not the point |
| 23:09.25 | Qzot | My info is solely based on raiding guilds' recruiting policies on their websites. No practical experience. |
| 23:09.41 | Qzot | Legorol: What level is your hunter? |
| 23:09.46 | Legorol | I debated the issue with my guild officers for a bit, trying to make a point that I am equally attached to the two mains i am likely to raid with |
| 23:10.01 | Legorol | But fair enough, that wouldn't be fair for other guildies |
| 23:10.14 | Legorol | I also made the point that if i was allowed to have two separate mains, with separate DKP each, i'd be happy with that too |
| 23:10.17 | Industrial | Legorol: Why can't you just gather DKP per character |
| 23:10.21 | Legorol | but that's a No no too |
| 23:10.29 | Legorol | Industrial: because the guild wants fewer, better geared chars |
| 23:10.37 | Arog | Legorol do you raid? |
| 23:10.37 | Industrial | hm |
| 23:10.48 | Legorol | I tried to make a case that that wouldn't be different from two people sharing one account |
| 23:10.55 | Shadowed | ( not sure where you guys are ) but thats a fair policy anyway. You really don't want to have gear spread out once you start hitting the end of AQ40 |
| 23:10.56 | Legorol | which, at the moment, is actively happening in my guild |
| 23:11.12 | Legorol | i know of at least one case where a single account is being used for two characters, both of which have DKP separately |
| 23:11.18 | Legorol | it's just that the guild officers don't know this |
| 23:11.22 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 23:11.27 | Shadowed | where are you guys up to anyway? |
| 23:11.29 | Legorol | i mean they know it happens |
| 23:11.32 | Arog | give them an annoymous tip |
| 23:11.36 | Legorol | Arog: no i don't raid |
| 23:11.38 | JoshBorke | things in our bank sholudn't have durations... |
| 23:11.44 | Legorol | Qzot: my hunter is 48 |
| 23:11.58 | Arog | I wish I can join a guild as a hunter/warrior/something fun |
| 23:12.04 | Arog | priests seem boring for some reason |
| 23:12.05 | Legorol | Arog: no i won't, because i know these guys and i don't mind if they have it that way |
| 23:12.13 | Legorol | i don't want to spoil it for *other* people |
| 23:12.17 | Arog | I was just kidding legorol ;) |
| 23:12.20 | Kebinusan | well at least our raiding guilds recruit characters to play because of a specific opening... if we recruited a mage you can bet 85% of the time that person better be playing their main during raids not their alt |
| 23:12.39 | Kebinusan | I think thats pretty typical |
| 23:12.41 | Legorol | Kebinusan: how do you define main |
| 23:12.50 | Kebinusan | the toon we recruited |
| 23:12.55 | Legorol | ok |
| 23:13.16 | Arog | did any of you play GW? |
| 23:13.16 | Shadowed | Arog: I always though priests seemed boring, but after hitting the newer content as a warrior they are starting to look fun |
| 23:13.34 | Arog | shadowed, The way I look at it is in raids, every class is boring |
| 23:13.42 | Arog | warriors - sunder...taunt...4-5 skills thats all |
| 23:13.43 | Industrial | thats why i dont raid |
| 23:13.49 | Industrial | pvp! |
| 23:13.50 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:14.04 | Arog | hunters- auto shoot, rogues - ss, snd, priests/druids/pally - heal, |
| 23:14.05 | Kebinusan | eh, maybe in mc |
| 23:14.08 | Industrial | I seriously cba to level to 60 and raid dungeon X fir the Y'th time |
| 23:14.14 | Kebinusan | yeah there are certain raid roles though |
| 23:14.15 | Legorol | so anyway, with regards to my guild's request to choose a main |
| 23:14.18 | Kebinusan | we expect druids to heal |
| 23:14.22 | Industrial | I just make a twink by my own lv 19 income and start owning wsg |
| 23:14.26 | Legorol | i haven't made up my mind yet, but i am strongly tempted to declare all my characters alts |
| 23:14.28 | Industrial | party time in 1.12 |
| 23:14.34 | Arog | Kebinusan ya but my point is that in a raid, every role can be boring and tedious |
| 23:14.45 | Legorol | Industrial: yup, looking forward to 1.12 |
| 23:14.46 | Shadowed | Arog: It depends where you're raiding them |
| 23:14.53 | Industrial | Legorol: very |
| 23:14.55 | Shadowed | s/raiding them/raiding with them/ |
| 23:14.58 | Legorol | first content patch in a while with significant content for non-60s |
| 23:15.07 | Kebinusan | well yeah, ventrilo certainly makes anything entertaining in our guild |
| 23:15.09 | Arog | ya makes sense |
| 23:15.22 | Arog | My rogue was so fun from 1-60. At 60 it started to get boring |
| 23:15.30 | Kebinusan | but it also depends on the zone, mc is alot more tank and spank than aq |
| 23:15.30 | Arog | probably because my guild only took me on vael attempts |
| 23:15.30 | Shadowed | Rogues are an exception! |
| 23:15.41 | Shadowed | I gave up playing a Rogue and went to a Warrior after nef |
| 23:15.46 | Kebinusan | with alot of nontraditional fights you really get more room for variety |
| 23:15.55 | Arog | Kebinusan but how about for healers |
| 23:16.02 | Arog | are their roles fun as well |
| 23:16.05 | Shadowed | Arog: Ouro/CThun a lot |
| 23:16.07 | Legorol | hm, maybe with so many of you around, it's a good idea to ask my PvP question again: |
| 23:16.18 | Legorol | any suggestions about how a 48 druid can beat a 48 hunter in a duel? |
| 23:16.26 | Legorol | it is seemingly impossible |
| 23:16.30 | Shadowed | no more then when you asked last time :p |
| 23:16.41 | Legorol | ah well |
| 23:16.51 | Kebinusan | well some of the fights yeah.. honestly I think healers have more of a burden as an overgeared guild does lower instances |
| 23:16.52 | Shadowed | if he's smart then it's pretty much going to be impossible |
| 23:17.02 | Kebinusan | its much harder on the healers when we're chain pulling mc in under 2 hours |
| 23:17.10 | Industrial | Legorol: theres one more thing I'd like to see though. DaoC style king of the hill combat: one king inside, kill him to conquer the castle for your guild+faction and guards will spawn for you. Use siege weaponry (blacksmithing/engineering anyone?) |
| 23:17.14 | Shadowed | Ouro you're doing a lot of running around and consistant tank switching while they are being hit for high amounts of damage. CThun you have to be paying attention to everyone around you and figuring out where to move. |
| 23:17.18 | Industrial | Legorol: think 'the fourth war' |
| 23:17.18 | Arog | Kebinusan that sounds like fun :) |
| 23:17.40 | Legorol | Industrial: i'm afraid I don't know what DaoC is |
| 23:17.44 | Legorol | nor what the fourth war is |
| 23:17.50 | Industrial | Dark age of Camelot |
| 23:18.06 | Industrial | a new war, taking place in wow (the third was warcraft3 right?) |
| 23:18.16 | Kebinusan | well, part of it is a respect thing.. if you have tanks running around in full dps gear and a 2 hander tanking something.... well it really makes the healers work overtime |
| 23:18.29 | Arog | wasn't warcraft 3 TFT the 4th war |
| 23:18.35 | Arog | war3 being the 3rde |
| 23:18.37 | Arog | *3rd |
| 23:18.42 | Industrial | oh, hmmm |
| 23:18.42 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:18.48 | Kebinusan | nothin that says you cant toss a smite in here or there either |
| 23:19.01 | Legorol | the story continues throughout ROC and TFT, i'd say |
| 23:19.07 | Legorol | i'd combine them into one war |
| 23:19.21 | Industrial | well you get the idea, siege combat!! |
| 23:19.25 | Arog | I dont know....I think 3 should be with archimonde. and 4 should be arthas vs illidan |
| 23:19.29 | Kirkburn|drunk | Btw, they updated the Troll compendium and the BC bestiary |
| 23:19.34 | Legorol | Industrial: i think siege combat is being considered/designed |
| 23:19.36 | Legorol | jsut not in 1.12 |
| 23:19.37 | Arog | BC is just Eredar |
| 23:19.48 | Arog | Legorol just like hero classes ;) |
| 23:20.00 | Legorol | yup |
| 23:20.32 | Legorol | btw, in one interview (forget which) Blizz explained the reason why they are so slow with content updates and things like hero classes |
| 23:20.33 | Arog | Kebinusan can I message you |
| 23:20.42 | Legorol | essentially, WoW was much more of a success than they thought |
| 23:20.51 | Kebinusan | sure I dont mind |
| 23:20.58 | Legorol | so suddenly they had to divert significant amount of their resources to maintenance/support, more than they planned |
| 23:21.08 | Legorol | we all saw their frantic pace of recruitment after WoW launch |
| 23:21.21 | Arog | ya, but blizz is slow in general |
| 23:21.25 | Legorol | true |
| 23:21.26 | Arog | Diablo 2 was 2 years (I think) late |
| 23:21.30 | Arog | but their products are polished |
| 23:21.32 | Arog | which is nice |
| 23:21.35 | Arog | worth it imo |
| 23:21.38 | Legorol | like WoW? :P |
| 23:21.46 | Legorol | i think WoW was rushed a bit, compared to other products |
| 23:21.55 | Arog | compared to other MMOS |
| 23:21.56 | Legorol | it could've done with another half a year in testing and polishing |
| 23:21.57 | Arog | WOW > All |
| 23:22.00 | Legorol | true |
| 23:22.05 | Legorol | but compared to Blizz standards... |
| 23:22.06 | Industrial | some sides of it |
| 23:22.11 | Industrial | others, no. |
| 23:22.22 | Legorol | i heard it was Vivendi's fault, they put pressure on Blizz |
| 23:22.31 | Legorol | i saw this Vivendi presentation soemone linked here a while ago |
| 23:22.35 | Legorol | about their "assets" |
| 23:22.38 | Legorol | it's so so sad |
| 23:22.55 | Legorol | Vivendi is boasting "cool, look guys, we are making so much money! look at this, WoW is making us rich!" |
| 23:23.01 | JoshBorke | woohoo! i compared 2 nil values :D |
| 23:23.06 | Legorol | when it's all Blizzard's doing and Vivendi happens to be the owner :( |
| 23:23.27 | Arog | Legorol I dont know. Without Vivendi, Blizzard wouldn't exist |
| 23:23.37 | Arog | although I am not too sure of that |
| 23:23.46 | Arog | Don't know if blzizard was bought out by Vivendi or what |
| 23:23.59 | Legorol | i don't know the details, i don't know *why* Blizzard was sold to Vivendi |
| 23:24.04 | Legorol | i imagine high price was paid |
| 23:24.10 | Legorol | before, it was independent |
| 23:24.12 | Industrial | 1. Kiddy environment (guess thats just warcraft). 2. Designed for kids (dont deny it). 3. 2 realms where the other side cant go means no ganking while leveling and a great wildernis in between (where yo get ganked on entering ofcource, because thats fun) |
| 23:24.14 | Arog | oh |
| 23:24.23 | Industrial | just some of the things i dont like about wow |
| 23:24.43 | Arog | Industrial what do you mean by number 3 |
| 23:24.47 | Thrae | In XML with Buttons, HighlightText, DisabledText, etc. can have anchor points, but there's no SetPoint for Font objects. |
| 23:24.51 | Industrial | uh, i mean that would be better |
| 23:24.54 | Industrial | in wow its all mixed up |
| 23:24.58 | Arog | oh |
| 23:24.59 | Legorol | i don't get 3 either |
| 23:25.00 | Arog | ya thats true |
| 23:25.03 | Industrial | and when you level you get ganked * 100 |
| 23:25.12 | Arog | true, thats why I hate pvp servers |
| 23:25.16 | Arog | had bad experiences on them |
| 23:25.27 | Legorol | i think ganking is "overcomplained" |
| 23:25.35 | Arog | and for number 2 - because it is designed for kids it is very simple. Due to its simplicity people can play easily. Just pickup the game nad you are good to go. |
| 23:25.35 | Legorol | if you get ganked, switch to an alt |
| 23:25.47 | Arog | Legorol. I do not want to do that |
| 23:25.52 | Arog | See, I can only play WoW for 4 months at a time |
| 23:25.54 | Industrial | i think pvp combat should be voluntairily |
| 23:26.04 | Arog | Industrial PVE servers |
| 23:26.05 | Legorol | Industrial: why not play on PvE server, that's what it is there for |
| 23:26.19 | Industrial | well.. yah.... |
| 23:26.27 | Arog | because I can only play WoW 4 months at a time, I do not want to level up an alt. I want to raid and do some cool stuff |
| 23:26.28 | Legorol | about the "designed for kids" |
| 23:26.31 | Legorol | i totally don't agree with that |
| 23:26.39 | Legorol | I think that WoW, like other Blizzard games, has a very low entry barrier |
| 23:26.44 | Legorol | (i.e. easy to pick up and start) |
| 23:26.54 | Legorol | but you have to be very mature to really get the edge |
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| 23:27.05 | Industrial | the kind of people that only play halo2 and fifawhateveryear on the console plays wow now |
| 23:27.11 | Legorol | lot of number crunching, theorizing, skills and practice is involved in getting good |
| 23:27.12 | Industrial | millions of them |
| 23:27.18 | Legorol | Industrial: so? |
| 23:27.26 | Industrial | i;d rather play onlt with 16+ |
| 23:27.33 | Legorol | that doesn't mean the game doesn't offer challenges |
| 23:27.33 | Arog | what |
| 23:27.36 | Arog | oh |
| 23:27.44 | Legorol | Industrial: you are talking about player maturity, that's an entirely different thing |
| 23:27.53 | Arog | every game has its idiots |
| 23:27.55 | Industrial | well then i mean that |
| 23:28.01 | Legorol | i was talking about entry barrier vs. difficulty |
| 23:28.04 | Industrial | Arog: wow is not comparable |
| 23:28.12 | Industrial | Arog: in its idiocy |
| 23:28.14 | Legorol | Blizzard is awesome at making games with low entry barrier but with sufficient depth |
| 23:28.25 | Legorol | heck, compare the single-player mode of WC3 with Battle.net |
| 23:28.26 | Arog | and it was funny. I was playing Diablo 2 before WoW came out. Everyone was saying - "Oh I cannot wait till WoW comes out, no more kids, don't have to deal with this puberty"..guess that didn't happen |
| 23:29.17 | Arog | errr |
| 23:29.26 | Industrial | Legorol: I think you'd vote against but for example, why can't we specialize points into int/sta/etc ? |
| 23:29.41 | Legorol | no i wouldn't vote against it at all |
| 23:29.44 | Industrial | Legorol: I really love gimping (or not) my char |
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| 23:29.54 | Industrial | It allows for different play styles |
| 23:29.57 | Legorol | the mechanism is, surprisingly enough, there in the game |
| 23:29.58 | JoshBorke | a paladin with spr! |
| 23:30.02 | Industrial | and very different hybrid classes |
| 23:30.02 | Legorol | via gear |
| 23:30.03 | Arog | that would be cool. We could have battle mages!! |
| 23:30.13 | Legorol | the thing i don't like is that raid sets are class specific |
| 23:30.18 | Legorol | hence it takes choice away |
| 23:30.28 | Legorol | but up until level 60, you have to make choices |
| 23:30.28 | Arog | also, if we can design our own classes sort of thing. YOu choose your armor type. the skill set you plan on taking etc |
| 23:30.31 | Legorol | for example: |
| 23:30.42 | Legorol | as a mage, you could go around in int/sta gear for PvP or int/spi gear for soloing |
| 23:30.47 | Legorol | that's definitely stats customization |
| 23:30.56 | Legorol | just not in the way that you are thinking about it |
| 23:31.10 | Industrial | Hmm, i guess you are right |
| 23:31.18 | Arog | Legorol I think he is talking about playstyles |
| 23:31.28 | Arog | eg: Mages with Str/Sta/Int. so you can be some sort of a battlemage |
| 23:31.29 | Legorol | no Industrial was talking about character stats customization, i think |
| 23:31.36 | Industrial | Yeah, theres often 'one goldren rule' to follow with one class |
| 23:31.37 | Legorol | Arog: and you have that too |
| 23:31.38 | Industrial | I dont like that |
| 23:31.45 | Legorol | pick a druid |
| 23:31.53 | Legorol | and then make your mind up about which set of gear :) |
| 23:31.56 | Arog | :) |
| 23:32.00 | Arog | true |
| 23:32.00 | JoshBorke | what's up with this fire festival fortitude? how do i keep getting it? |
| 23:32.10 | Legorol | JoshBorke: it's an AoE effect from other players |
| 23:32.17 | Qzot | Legorol: Why do you have to make up your mind about set of gear? |
| 23:32.24 | Legorol | Qzot: you don't |
| 23:32.25 | JoshBorke | does it get spammed when they toss in a flower? |
| 23:32.31 | Qzot | Legorol: My druid carries 3 sets. :P And it's not enough. |
| 23:32.35 | Legorol | i am saying, you can pick different gear, or even a hibrid gear if you want to be hibrid |
| 23:32.43 | Legorol | Qzot: yes |
| 23:32.49 | Legorol | JoshBorke: i think so |
| 23:32.58 | Industrial | im so going to make mikma not happy |
| 23:33.01 | Qzot | Legorol: And then she also carries all her engineering. crap. |
| 23:33.07 | Legorol | Industrial, the only thing that's not quite the same as what you wanted is that in WoW you can recustomize any time by switching gear |
| 23:33.08 | Qzot | s/. crap/ crap |
| 23:33.27 | Industrial | so its even better :p |
| 23:33.27 | Legorol | however, that all disappears when you start getting epics |
| 23:33.31 | Legorol | that i don't like |
| 23:33.34 | Legorol | i agree its better |
| 23:33.40 | Industrial | except for talents ofcource |
| 23:33.40 | Legorol | i like the idea of varied customization via gear |
| 23:33.42 | Arog | Legorol but it would cool if you can design your classes. Eg 1) choose armor type 2) choose 3 different skill sets. OBviously things will get filtered out, eg if you choose stealth, you cannot choose tanking or something. |
| 23:33.53 | Qzot | Legorol: Yeah. Or at least it starts with the tier 0 stuff. |
| 23:33.58 | Arog | kinda like D&D |
| 23:33.59 | Arog | but :s |
| 23:34.04 | Thrae | Hey Iriel, you still aroudn? |
| 23:34.11 | Thrae | Hey Iriel, you still around? |
| 23:34.17 | Legorol | Arog: go play a skill-level based MMO ;_) |
| 23:34.24 | Qzot | Arog: Vaguely reminescent of pre-NGE SWG. |
| 23:34.37 | Legorol | I think WoW is pretty good right now in terms of level of customization |
| 23:34.44 | Legorol | first you just pick a class -> low entry barrier |
| 23:34.49 | Legorol | then you get indepth customization via talents |
| 23:34.58 | Legorol | although i guess talents don't have that much of an effect |
| 23:35.02 | Arog | they dont |
| 23:35.03 | Legorol | they are more like subclasses |
| 23:35.20 | JoshBorke | i wish i could change my face |
| 23:35.26 | JoshBorke | i keep getting comments on how ugly i am |
| 23:35.26 | Beladona | I do like skill based progression in games, but I like it open ended |
| 23:35.38 | Legorol | i love skill based progression |
| 23:35.45 | Beladona | so like, you pick stealth abilities, but it doesn't stop you from wearing plate |
| 23:35.46 | Legorol | only downside: i never progress, because i spread myself too thin :) |
| 23:35.59 | Arog | Beladona but that will just be overpowered heh |
| 23:36.03 | Arog | unbalanced |
| 23:36.03 | Beladona | your stealth is just less effective with it |
| 23:36.10 | Arog | oph |
| 23:36.11 | JoshBorke | all that clinking and clanking |
| 23:36.15 | Legorol | Arog: it does exist, you can come up with a system like that |
| 23:36.34 | Legorol | where you can switch your character role completely, if you have sufficiently high level in more than one skill |
| 23:36.51 | Arog | you will obviously get people who maxxed every skill, and thus there wil lbe "elitists and such" |
| 23:36.51 | Legorol | think of it as being able to level your "rogue" side and your "warrior" side |
| 23:36.57 | Beladona | example: ES: Oblivion has a very good skill based system, although they do make you pick some basic classes at the beginning. Yet it doesn't stop you from picking stealth bonuses at start, and then becoming a mage |
| 23:36.59 | Arog | you mean fury? |
| 23:37.00 | Legorol | Arog: yes and no |
| 23:37.08 | Legorol | those that have maxed all their skills are not more powerful |
| 23:37.16 | Legorol | they just have more options available to them |
| 23:37.30 | Legorol | not that different from WoW, wher eyou can choose to log in with your rogue, oryour warrior |
| 23:37.34 | Legorol | except it's on the same character |
| 23:38.00 | Beladona | you get more options though, but the trick is, EVERYONE can have those options |
| 23:38.01 | Legorol | I met skill based progression in the Saga of Ryzom |
| 23:38.10 | Beladona | its almost a self balancing system |
| 23:38.12 | Legorol | that was a beautiful game, unfortunately a terribly boring grind :( |
| 23:38.18 | Beladona | it is up to you to balance your character, not the dev |
| 23:38.39 | Legorol | anyone here tried Ryzom? |
| 23:38.43 | Arog | I did |
| 23:38.43 | Arog | the demo |
| 23:38.47 | Arog | and beta |
| 23:39.31 | JoshBorke | ( Beladona ): wouldn't it be up to the developer to balance the 'balances'. ie, how much is stealth affected by plate etc |
| 23:40.07 | Beladona | sure, but the point is everyone is affected, rather than just one group of players |
| 23:40.22 | Beladona | you don't have warriors mad that rogues are more powerful, or vice versa |
| 23:40.43 | JoshBorke | but it would be much easier for you to get into a situation where EVERYONE plays the same way because it's found to be the best |
| 23:40.48 | Beladona | don't like it? wear some plate, and start fighting back |
| 23:41.19 | Kirkburn|drunk | Follow up to the AOL account cancelling charade (interview on MSNBC) http://youtube.com/watch?v=xIVZ9b0RgmY |
| 23:41.20 | Beladona | you would also find people playing more to their play style ratther than what the system forces them to |
| 23:41.43 | Beladona | obviously you could have limits |
| 23:42.07 | Beladona | similar to Guild Wars where you have to set your skills before entering an "instance", and can't change until you re-enter neutral territory |
| 23:42.43 | Beladona | makes people pick special "combiniations" which is nice because you could have thousands of play combinations |
| 23:44.21 | Arog | lol |
| 23:44.26 | Arog | nice video Kirkburn|drunk |
| 23:44.48 | Kirkburn|drunk | heh |
| 23:44.57 | Kirkburn|drunk | This is just stupid: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/clips/excuuuuuse-me-princess-182535.php |
| 23:45.45 | Industrial | lol |
| 23:45.51 | JoshBorke | wb clad |
| 23:46.59 | Beladona | clad is back 0.o |
| 23:48.11 | JoshBorke | ( cladhaire ): care to entertain a question about clique? |
| 23:48.47 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: certainly |
| 23:48.51 | cladhaire | take it to tell sif you dont mind |
| 23:48.54 | cladhaire | my computer'll beep that way |
| 23:49.06 | JoshBorke | ko |
| 23:51.27 | Kirkburn|drunk | Bah, I never will enjoy alcohol without my girlfriend :/ |
| 23:51.59 | Kirkburn|tired | Takes all the fun out of it |
| 23:52.08 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 23:52.37 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: Haven't gotten your tell =/ |
| 23:52.41 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 23:52.45 | JoshBorke | i've sent 3! |
| 23:52.51 | JoshBorke | let's try this again |
| 23:52.52 | cladhaire | are you registered/identified? |
| 23:52.52 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:53.06 | Beladona | are you Registered and Identified to NickServ? |
| 23:53.11 | Beladona | nm |
| 23:53.16 | JoshBorke | had forgotten to identify |
| 23:54.51 | Kirkburn|tired | Ooh, this is also very good: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/22/jon-stewart-blasts-congress-ignorance-towards-video-games/ |
| 23:54.57 | Industrial | these mobs across town ace great for leveling weaponskills |
| 23:54.58 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:55.11 | JoshBorke | yea they are Industrial! |
| 23:57.52 | Kirkburn|tired | Wow ... that last link ... watch it at around 4:20 and your jaw will drop |
| 23:58.10 | Kirkburn|tired | I know mine did :/ |
| 23:59.50 | Kirkburn|tired | I would quote what the guy said, but you wouldn't believe me |
