| 00:00.18 | JoshBorke | i'll believe you |
| 00:00.25 | JoshBorke | tell me so i don't have to watch the vid :D |
| 00:02.02 | Kirkburn|tired | (make that 4:00) |
| 00:06.32 | Arog | Did any of you play GW before |
| 00:06.48 | Industrial | nop |
| 00:06.54 | Arog | darn |
| 00:07.08 | Arog | I want to know if priest (at end game) is similar to Monks in GW (at endgame/pvp) |
| 00:07.40 | Industrial | based around Congress' recent hearing |
| 00:07.45 | Industrial | what is Congress |
| 00:08.14 | Industrial | Arog: unless they have shadowmonk :P |
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| 00:09.23 | Arog | Industrial I meant endgame as in raids |
| 00:09.40 | JoshBorke | gd water in un'goro |
| 00:10.57 | Tarog | Where is SetItemRef defined in FrameXML? |
| 00:14.41 | Tem | wow... so this is what it feels like to have your server be one of the ones that rejects the patch |
| 00:14.56 | Tem | Tarog, I'd guess in ItemRefTooltip.lua |
| 00:15.35 | Tarog | Tem: Thanks, ItemRef.lua |
| 00:15.40 | Tem | ah |
| 00:16.26 | Tem | awwww |
| 00:16.40 | Tem | the guild progression site removed the old MC targets from the chart |
| 00:16.54 | Tem | I loved to look at our dates for the MC bosses |
| 00:18.13 | Arog | would any of your guilds be interested in recruiting me lol |
| 00:20.52 | Legorol | Tem: what about patch rejection? |
| 00:21.21 | Tem | Arog are you a healing speced druid? |
| 00:21.39 | Tem | Legorol, oh, my server has been crazy unstable since the patch |
| 00:21.39 | Arog | Tem I can be anything you want me to be :) |
| 00:21.53 | Arog | dwarf pries |
| 00:21.58 | Tem | Legorol, and it's down until 10 server time tonight for "emergency maintenance" |
| 00:22.04 | Tem | we have a few of those now |
| 00:22.09 | Tem | we need druids |
| 00:22.13 | Arog | what server |
| 00:22.18 | Tem | Garona |
| 00:22.34 | Tem | (alliance) |
| 00:22.39 | Arog | mhmm |
| 00:22.40 | Legorol | Tem: what region |
| 00:22.44 | Arog | CST |
| 00:22.46 | Tem | CDT |
| 00:22.49 | Legorol | darn.. |
| 00:22.53 | Legorol | do you hand out free accounts? |
| 00:22.59 | Legorol | then i'll level a 60 druid for you |
| 00:23.02 | Tem | lol |
| 00:23.07 | Arog | I have an account, I will play with you and all |
| 00:23.11 | Arog | but I will have to level a char there |
| 00:23.13 | Arog | druid |
| 00:23.16 | Tem | we shouldn't be having druid issues much longer |
| 00:23.20 | Arog | oh |
| 00:23.23 | Arog | never mind then |
| 00:23.32 | Arog | it is easier for you to recruit :) |
| 00:23.36 | Arog | than to wait for me to level up |
| 00:23.43 | Tem | the problem was that our best druid and a few others had RL issues |
| 00:23.49 | Tem | he should be coming back soon |
| 00:23.58 | Arog | oh |
| 00:24.00 | Arog | so a fillin? |
| 00:24.07 | Arog | fill-in |
| 00:25.15 | Tem | we've been trying to recruit, but druids are a damn rarity on the server |
| 00:25.24 | Tem | most nights we're lucky to have 4 in the raid |
| 00:26.17 | Arog | wait a sec |
| 00:26.21 | Arog | wtf am i doing |
| 00:26.47 | Beladona | anyone here remember who it was that had that stripped down minimap frame that basically just had a circle? |
| 00:26.59 | Beladona | not the one that changed the shape completely |
| 00:27.04 | Tem | Beladona, idMinimap |
| 00:27.05 | Qzot | Sum durids is bare. |
| 00:27.10 | Beladona | ahh thanks |
| 00:27.50 | Qzot | Heading home. Catch you all later. |
| 00:27.55 | Cairenn | later Qzot |
| 00:27.56 | Arog | cya |
| 00:28.05 | Cairenn | or perhaps Clean MiniMap |
| 00:28.38 | Beladona | erm, id doesn't have his stuff on wowi? |
| 00:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Who knows what the name of that addon is that displays an on-screen map generated with the minimap textures? |
| 00:29.12 | Cairenn | no, we are owned by the devil incarnate |
| 00:29.24 | Beladona | I don't own wowi |
| 00:29.37 | Tain | No id moved his stuff to his own website. |
| 00:29.46 | Beladona | bah |
| 00:29.51 | Beladona | happen to have his link? |
| 00:29.58 | Tain | Npe |
| 00:30.15 | Beladona | WOW Industrial |
| 00:30.21 | Tain | His website is hosted by a company that charges people and makes money for themselves so they are obviously an evil entity that I won't support. |
| 00:30.23 | Beladona | oops, wrong keyboard |
| 00:30.27 | Beladona | that was meant for google haha |
| 00:31.55 | Beladona | Industrial afk? |
| 00:32.59 | Arog | any of you read flintlocke? |
| 00:33.12 | Legorol | I'm sure it exists, so: does anyone know of an AddOn that fixes the Alt+Tab sound volume issue? |
| 00:33.55 | Cairenn | Legorol: any chance you are using FuBar? If so, snag VolumeFu |
| 00:34.05 | Legorol | not using it, sorry :( |
| 00:34.06 | Tain | does that still happen? I could have sworn it hasn't happened to me in a while so I assumed they fixed it. |
| 00:34.16 | Cairenn | nope, not fixed Tain |
| 00:34.16 | Arog | play in a window lol |
| 00:34.24 | Kirkburn|tired | Y'know what I just realised ... the fix to prevent models switching didn't affect font switching. Which doesn't make any sense .... |
| 00:34.30 | Legorol | Arog: happens in a window too |
| 00:34.30 | Cairenn | happens to me all the time ... and I *am* playing in a window |
| 00:34.38 | Arog | wierd |
| 00:34.50 | Legorol | so what's the way they prevent model switching? |
| 00:34.54 | Legorol | do thye simply only load from the mpq? |
| 00:34.58 | Kirkburn|tired | Seems so |
| 00:35.04 | Cairenn | the volume will be way out of whack when I click my WoW window again after typing in here |
| 00:35.10 | Legorol | last time i tried, it croaked on it |
| 00:35.18 | Kirkburn|tired | But it doesn't happen with the fonts.mpq, evidently |
| 00:35.23 | Arog | really? that never happened to me |
| 00:35.27 | Arog | maybe it is your sound drivers |
| 00:35.40 | Tain | I know it alwyas used to happen to me |
| 00:35.41 | Kirkburn|tired | For that, I love whoever allowed it to continue at Blizzard :) |
| 00:35.59 | Cairenn | and maybe it's the ghost of christmas past ... the point is that it still occurrs |
| 00:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, I know the maker of WinMPQ and sfmpqapi.dll |
| 00:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, what's it doing? |
| 00:36.29 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: it's been a while since i tried |
| 00:36.34 | Legorol | it can open and read from the MPQs fine |
| 00:36.36 | Beladona | damn, he apparently doesn't even host his addons on his site now. So now I gotta find a version of it somerwhere, and rip the code I guess |
| 00:36.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, update and try again, if it breaks I'll tell the needed people ;) |
| 00:36.45 | Legorol | but when you try to add to one, it produces something that WoW doesn't recognize |
| 00:36.54 | Cairenn | Beladona: check Clean Minimap |
| 00:36.59 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: i just grabbed 1.64 yesterday, will try at some point |
| 00:36.59 | Thrae | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5196 <-- for Lua Frames experts |
| 00:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, k |
| 00:37.58 | Cairenn | Legorol: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5011-myWinMPQ.html or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3990-Working_WinMPQ.html or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4794-MPQ2k.html |
| 00:38.19 | Legorol | Cairenn: I appreciate it, the issue isn't with an outdated WinMPQ i don't think |
| 00:38.39 | Cairenn | just alternatives to try, see if anything helps |
| 00:39.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Ewww |
| 00:39.03 | Legorol | ah, i see, they are not just the standard one |
| 00:39.07 | Legorol | that's useful, thanks |
| 00:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | People should contact the author of the program instead of hex editing it themselves to work :P |
| 00:39.20 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 00:39.32 | Legorol | so, noone knows any non-Fu fix for sound issue? |
| 00:39.56 | Legorol | well i might try that FuBar then |
| 00:40.01 | Legorol | or just write my own fix |
| 00:40.12 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: that would work, if the author would respond to them, I know from conversation with the maker of the second one I linked, that he tried to talk to the maker of WinMPQ and got no where |
| 00:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn, odd, she's a very nice receptive person :P |
| 00:40.37 | Cairenn | Legorol: there was a sound fix mod, but I don't remember the name of it and have no idea if it has been kept current |
| 00:40.44 | Cairenn | stand-alone, I mean |
| 00:41.00 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: I am only saying what he said to me, I've no direct personal knowledge |
| 00:41.09 | Thrae | Legorol: local ov = tonumber(GetCVar("MasterVolume")) SetCVar("MasterVolume",0) SetCvar("MasterVolume",ov) |
| 00:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn, still sounds odd to me |
| 00:41.14 | Legorol | Cairenn: i just read the description for VolumeFu, does it automatically fix it for you? |
| 00:41.19 | Legorol | or do you have to click it each time you alt+tab |
| 00:41.29 | cladhaire | MiniBlizzRaid has been updated: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4904-MiniBlizzRaid.html |
| 00:41.51 | Cairenn | there is an option to have a "quick sound fix" that means you can just swipe your mouse across it and it fixes it |
| 00:41.53 | Thrae | VolumeFu tries to be smart about it, but sometimes it doesn't catch it. You just need to mouseover it to reset the volume. |
| 00:42.04 | Cairenn | what Thrae said |
| 00:42.31 | Legorol | yah i was thinking of adding something like that in an OnUpdate, and execute maybe once every 2 seconds |
| 00:42.43 | Beladona | Clean Minimap appears outdated |
| 00:42.47 | Beladona | bastiges |
| 00:43.36 | Arog | you guys wnat to show me pics of your UIs? |
| 00:43.58 | Cide | www.ctmod.net/blighted/ui.jpg (not sure if I got that right) |
| 00:44.03 | Legorol | Arog: i could but you wouldn't see anything on it |
| 00:44.04 | Cairenn | nope, I don't share my ui with people |
| 00:44.07 | Legorol | looks wise, my UI is the standard one |
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| 00:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Arog, http://linode.spengy.net/Sbo/Screenshots/WoWScrnShot_061106_235551.png |
| 00:44.21 | Legorol | except for a bunch of minimap icons |
| 00:44.22 | Cide | Cairenn: staying neutral, eh? :) |
| 00:44.34 | Cairenn | got it in one Cice |
| 00:44.36 | Cairenn | Cide |
| 00:44.40 | Thrae | That's because Cairenn has all kinds of secret stuff on her UI ;) |
| 00:44.43 | Arog | cide you showed me your the last time :) |
| 00:44.49 | Cide | Arog: well, you asked! |
| 00:44.54 | Arog | ya |
| 00:44.55 | Arog | :) |
| 00:44.57 | Arog | thanks heh |
| 00:45.05 | Arog | I am just thinkg about unitframes |
| 00:45.18 | Thrae | Arog: What type of class do you play? |
| 00:45.24 | Arog | priest |
| 00:45.26 | Arog | (plan to) |
| 00:45.38 | Thrae | Arog: I suggest the simplistic yet powerful WatchDog. |
| 00:45.46 | Arog | thrae I didnt make it yet |
| 00:46.04 | Arog | so the unit frames for target has to be suitable for leveling up |
| 00:46.18 | Thrae | They are... |
| 00:46.18 | cladhaire | Cide: Eeew you use that CT_RaidAssist.. that's almost as bad as Cosmos.. can't you like.. Ace that or something? ;-) |
| 00:46.20 | Arog | showing if mob is elite, level, if its red/grey (tagged not taged) |
| 00:46.23 | Arog | oh |
| 00:46.24 | Arog | one sec |
| 00:46.28 | Arog | let me google watchdog |
| 00:46.40 | Thrae | Arog, I would give you a link if it wasn't on wowi. |
| 00:46.53 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=3953 |
| 00:46.53 | Cide | cladhaire: I hear Acing automatically makes stuff better! |
| 00:47.09 | Arog | I found it |
| 00:47.17 | cladhaire | Cide: Duh! That's the whole point.. everyone write amazing code and it just makes memory go way down! |
| 00:47.22 | cladhaire | Cide: How are you =) |
| 00:47.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:47.28 | Arog | but thrae, I am talking about making my own unitframes, using Discord |
| 00:47.35 | Thrae | I Ace'd CTRA and now my memory usage is -5. |
| 00:47.37 | Arog | http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9409/shillienui37uf.jpg |
| 00:47.42 | Cide | cladhaire: great, thanks! |
| 00:47.56 | cladhaire | Cide: Did you ever hear back from Slouken? |
| 00:48.00 | Cide | no :( |
| 00:48.15 | cladhaire | Cide: I wish your users would stop being silly... MiniBlizzRaid is saving 4-5 megs with the new UI structure.. its insane =/ |
| 00:48.31 | Cide | I'll see what I can do for the new version |
| 00:48.42 | cladhaire | nah its okay, its just unfortunate that they're so stubborn |
| 00:48.48 | cladhaire | which is why I have MBR if they need it |
| 00:48.57 | Cide | yeah, but I'll see if I can make it optional |
| 00:49.07 | Cide | see, when we implemented it, people bitched like hell |
| 00:49.11 | cladhaire | Yeah |
| 00:49.15 | Thrae | cladhaire: We all know the typical user doesn't care about UI memory usage. |
| 00:49.15 | Cide | when we removed it, people bitched at the people who bitched before |
| 00:49.17 | cladhaire | its tough.. it HAS to be a seperate addon |
| 00:49.24 | cladhaire | since the XML has to load with the same names |
| 00:49.32 | cladhaire | unless you went to the trouble of dynamically creating it =( |
| 00:49.34 | Arog | do you guys have any ideas to identify elite mobs if the picture is a square |
| 00:49.47 | Arog | because the elite symbol goes around a circle..so won't exactly work |
| 00:49.48 | Cide | you lost me |
| 00:49.48 | Thrae | Arog: I don't like DUF's resource usage, but hey, it's your call. |
| 00:49.56 | Arog | cide - http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9409/shillienui37uf.jpg |
| 00:50.05 | Arog | see how the target cannot have a elite frame around it |
| 00:50.06 | Thrae | Arog is talking about how to configure Discord Unit Frames, I believe. |
| 00:50.09 | Cide | just use a "Level 51+" or something |
| 00:50.14 | Arog | oh |
| 00:50.14 | Cide | "+" meaning Elite |
| 00:50.15 | cladhaire | Cide: Well, in my case I take the entire Blizzard_RaidUI.xml file, and just comment out the declaratino of the 12 groups (Which have 15 buttons each) |
| 00:50.17 | Arog | :) ya |
| 00:50.22 | Arog | thrae not really just ideas heh |
| 00:50.24 | cladhaire | Cide: And you can't "optionally" load an XML file |
| 00:50.26 | Arog | whats wrong with Discord? |
| 00:50.35 | Cairenn | resource usage, as stated |
| 00:50.36 | Cide | cladhaire: not that bad now, with CreateFrame inheritance |
| 00:50.42 | Thrae | It uses a lot of UI memory and can lag your machine in some cases. |
| 00:50.48 | Arog | do you guys have any other suggestions? |
| 00:51.00 | Arog | or do you not mod your unitframes/action bars etc |
| 00:51.13 | cladhaire | Cide: *nod* Its just as much of a pain tho, with the stuff that keeps changing, in this case the RW window, the readycheck frame, etc. |
| 00:51.22 | cladhaire | Arog: I use WatchDog-- cause I'm the author =) |
| 00:51.33 | Cide | cladhaire: yeah, true |
| 00:51.36 | cladhaire | Arog: Depends entirely on what you're using, and what you want |
| 00:51.36 | Arog | heh cald :) |
| 00:51.46 | Caldhaire | hi! |
| 00:51.47 | Arog | I am thinking about action bars |
| 00:51.48 | Thrae | We're developers, we mostly like mods that are low on resource usage because we know what that means ;) |
| 00:51.49 | Legorol | right, auto-sound fix implemented, now i feel good |
| 00:51.51 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 00:51.53 | JoshBorke | oh hello calhaire |
| 00:52.00 | Legorol | it's probably the most productive thing i've done AddOn-wise in a while :) |
| 00:52.03 | cladhaire | Beladona: is my hero |
| 00:52.05 | JoshBorke | lol Legorol |
| 00:52.08 | cladhaire | Legorol: <3 What are you doing to make it work? |
| 00:52.23 | Legorol | just calling Thrae's line every 2 seconds from an OnUpdate |
| 00:52.25 | Beladona | what a coincidence |
| 00:52.31 | Beladona | Cladhaire is my hero |
| 00:52.38 | Legorol | this one: local ov = tonumber(GetCVar("MasterVolume")) SetCVar("MasterVolume",0) SetCvar("MasterVolume",ov) |
| 00:52.48 | Arog | cide sir, what are you using to get that action bar? |
| 00:52.50 | Legorol | of course i won't ever know if it works |
| 00:52.56 | Legorol | i will only know if it doesn't :) |
| 00:53.03 | Cide | Arog: CT_BarMod + CT_BottomBar :) |
| 00:53.08 | Arog | lol |
| 00:53.13 | Arog | are you only using CT? |
| 00:53.38 | Cide | nah, I have a few other mods |
| 00:53.43 | Legorol | I have a handy little private mod, I'm sure most coders have something like this |
| 00:53.50 | Cide | CT_CideMods! |
| 00:53.52 | Legorol | It's my stash of random code snippets that i use |
| 00:53.55 | Industrial | <@Beladona> Industrial afk? |
| 00:53.55 | Industrial | hi |
| 00:54.00 | Industrial | goin to bed sup? :DD |
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| 00:54.12 | Legorol | Cide: what does CT stand for? |
| 00:54.12 | Beladona | was trying to find a copy of idMinimap |
| 00:54.12 | Cide | you forgot the '/wink' :) |
| 00:54.14 | Arog | Legorol I suppose |
| 00:54.18 | Arog | Cide Tsomething |
| 00:54.19 | Beladona | used to use it, now can't find it |
| 00:54.20 | Cide | Legorol: Cide & Ts |
| 00:54.24 | Arog | lol |
| 00:54.25 | Cide | (very creative, huh?) |
| 00:54.26 | Arog | close enough |
| 00:54.27 | Legorol | Ts? as in TeamSpeak? |
| 00:54.28 | cladhaire | Cide: I remember talking to you like 1.5 years ago about tooltips in CT_Mod |
| 00:54.32 | Thrae | Legorol: I wonder if Lua does a GC right before going to sleep on ALT+TAB. |
| 00:54.33 | Cide | as in the other team member |
| 00:54.33 | cladhaire | god that was a long time ago. |
| 00:54.47 | Cide | cladhaire: yeah, I think I started with CTMod 2 years ago or so |
| 00:54.49 | Legorol | Thrae: i don't think so |
| 00:55.12 | Beladona | sorry, forgot to ping @Industrial |
| 00:55.22 | Legorol | Thrae: just tried, it doesn't |
| 00:55.29 | Thrae | Hmm... |
| 00:55.44 | Industrial | sok you can pm me any time |
| 00:55.48 | Industrial | its on the acs svn |
| 00:55.57 | Thrae | Legorol: What about OnUpdate timers? Do they get reset? |
| 00:56.00 | Cide | Arog: Ace, Confab, DevTools, eCastingBar, SCT (also made by an Allerian, whoohoo!)... I think that's prety much it |
| 00:56.16 | Arog | who is allerian |
| 00:56.27 | cladhaire | I think Stormrage only has Asmodeus (of Asmo Honor Role), myself and Satrina (same guild tho.. woot =) |
| 00:56.34 | cladhaire | Arog: Its their server, Alleria |
| 00:56.35 | Thrae | An Allerian is a follower of the teachings of Woody Allen. |
| 00:56.38 | Arog | oh |
| 00:56.40 | Legorol | yay! auto-sound fix actually worked |
| 00:56.52 | Legorol | i alt+tabbed back and for a split-second the volume was maxed |
| 00:56.56 | Legorol | then it quietened |
| 00:57.13 | cladhaire | *cheer* |
| 00:59.23 | Arog | bah, not going to mod my UI i figure |
| 00:59.31 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:59.33 | Arog | well |
| 00:59.37 | Arog | not as much as I had planned |
| 00:59.40 | Arog | just oging to put some things |
| 00:59.51 | Arog | no crazy action bars, square minimap, pretty looking unitframes |
| 01:00.24 | Kirkburn | Dammit, removing Starforce didn't fix my DVD drive :( |
| 01:00.33 | Arog | whats wrong with it lol |
| 01:00.43 | Beladona | how did you remove it? |
| 01:00.46 | Kirkburn | It hasn't played DVDs properly since december :( |
| 01:00.54 | Beladona | the regular uninstall doesn't necessarily get all of it |
| 01:01.10 | Kirkburn | http://www.glop.org/starforce/ |
| 01:01.14 | Thrae | Legorol: Try registering for CVAR_UPDATE and see if ALT+TAB makes that fire for MasterVolume. |
| 01:01.21 | Kirkburn | Really? |
| 01:01.29 | Legorol | Thrae: i can try that, i doubt it |
| 01:02.01 | Kirkburn | It's been playing DVDs slowly/jerkily for ages, but it works perfectly |
| 01:02.01 | Arog | damn it |
| 01:02.03 | Arog | why am I HUNGRY |
| 01:02.05 | Arog | I Just ate |
| 01:02.45 | Beladona | thanks for reminding me -- cause I need to |
| 01:02.50 | Arog | lol |
| 01:02.53 | Thrae | Now I'm hungry too. |
| 01:03.01 | Arog | actually i ate 4 hours ago |
| 01:03.04 | Arog | but that was still dinner |
| 01:03.05 | Arog | damn it |
| 01:03.23 | Arog | is flexbar > Discord Action bar? |
| 01:03.46 | Arog | or is DAB bad on memory too |
| 01:03.47 | Tain | Is granny smith apple > golden delicious apple? |
| 01:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | imo, yes |
| 01:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | flexbar is... flexible ;) |
| 01:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | afk pizza |
| 01:04.18 | Cide | hmm, I'm hooking ChatFrame_OnEvent (called quite a lot of times :P), and I need to access a global table in 3 times.. what do you think is better.. 3 lookups, or defining a local variable every time? |
| 01:04.50 | Legorol | hm, is it just me or is wow.pastebin.com very cranky? |
| 01:05.00 | Thrae | No, pastebin.com is very cranky |
| 01:05.11 | Thrae | Although wow.pastebin.com seems crankier |
| 01:05.37 | Thrae | Cide: Depends, what depth? |
| 01:05.43 | cladhaire | pastebin.ca ftw |
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| 01:05.55 | cladhaire | Cide: Local variables are always free in that context |
| 01:06.07 | cladhaire | Cide: Any chance you can bind it locally outside the scope of the function? |
| 01:06.20 | Cide | hmm, probably |
| 01:06.30 | cladhaire | is the table available on load? |
| 01:06.38 | kaiden | Just spent like 3 hours trying to figure out which addon was making all of my tradeskill / training windows change Every entry to ... |
| 01:06.39 | Kirkburn | whaaaaaaaaa? |
| 01:06.42 | kaiden | turned out to be clearfont doing it |
| 01:06.43 | kaiden | :P |
| 01:06.50 | Kirkburn | It's not my bloody fault! |
| 01:06.58 | kaiden | liesssss i tell you! |
| 01:07.03 | kaiden | :) |
| 01:07.03 | Kirkburn | What's your screen rez? |
| 01:07.06 | Cide | cladhaire: yeah, that's a good idea. thanks |
| 01:07.09 | kaiden | 1680x1050 |
| 01:07.15 | Kirkburn | Christ, it really is that |
| 01:07.23 | Cide | I'm implementing 'silent chat' :) |
| 01:07.24 | Kirkburn | Everyone with the problem has that screen rez |
| 01:07.43 | Thrae | Blast your oddly shaped screen! |
| 01:07.43 | kaiden | Kirkburn, possibly your font scaling? |
| 01:07.48 | Kirkburn | And I mean, really. Everyone reporting the problem has someone right around 1680x1050 |
| 01:07.59 | Kirkburn | *something |
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| 01:08.02 | kaiden | yeah i have a 20" widescreen lcd |
| 01:08.18 | Cide | Kirkburn: what about target/player frame? |
| 01:08.26 | Kirkburn | Try fiddling with your UI scale and/or deleting config.wtf |
| 01:08.34 | Kirkburn | What about it? |
| 01:08.41 | Legorol | Thrae: it is possible it's doing a CVar change when you alt+tab, but |
| 01:08.44 | Legorol | you wouldn't be able to detect it |
| 01:08.57 | Legorol | CVAR_UPDATE only triggers when SetCVar is called with a third argument |
| 01:09.00 | Cide | users are reporting that their targetframe/playerframe show unit name as '...' |
| 01:09.01 | kaiden | but my ui scale is perfect :( |
| 01:09.03 | Legorol | not on any SetCVar |
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| 01:09.16 | kaiden | it has to be font scaling |
| 01:09.17 | Cide | "supposedly" it's CT_UnitFrames, but I seriously doubt that's it, since I don't modify that stuff |
| 01:09.24 | kaiden | did blizzard change the way font scaling works in the patch? |
| 01:09.34 | kaiden | i know they changed the allowed font objects |
| 01:09.34 | cladhaire | probably |
| 01:09.36 | kaiden | and redid how they work |
| 01:09.38 | cladhaire | given the drastic font changes |
| 01:09.54 | kaiden | since they removed button objects to give faster speed |
| 01:10.06 | Arog | ugh |
| 01:10.07 | Arog | awkward |
| 01:10.21 | Kirkburn | Cide, yeah I've heard it CT reports too |
| 01:10.32 | Cairenn | bela, iriel, kael, check staff forum, please? |
| 01:10.37 | Kirkburn | I can't write proper this evening :( |
| 01:10.49 | kaiden | i'm going nutso, i can't play til i get that fixed |
| 01:10.56 | Kirkburn | It's something to do with the font scaling and certain screen resolutions |
| 01:10.57 | kaiden | everytime i see a ... i shiver |
| 01:11.03 | Arog | I thin kthe guy beside me is watching porn -_- |
| 01:11.16 | Cide | Arog: peek over and enjoy? |
| 01:11.19 | kaiden | Kirkburn, it was doing it with fontabulous too til i changed my global font scaling to 80% |
| 01:11.23 | kaiden | then it went completely away |
| 01:11.26 | Legorol | kaiden: you see, on your character login screen, there is this AddOn button, with a Disable All button... |
| 01:11.30 | Arog | cide i meant the guy in the next room lol |
| 01:11.33 | Arog | its rather loud and awkward |
| 01:11.38 | Kirkburn | oooh-errr |
| 01:11.47 | Kirkburn | kaiden, you heathen! |
| 01:11.53 | Cide | Kirkburn: so do you think it's CT_UnitFrames? |
| 01:12.01 | Cide | or something like ClearFont |
| 01:12.05 | kaiden | kirk, i'm not a heathen! i swear i only switched to fontabulous to check |
| 01:12.06 | Kirkburn | No, I think it's a result of something the addons are doing |
| 01:12.07 | kaiden | :) |
| 01:12.21 | Kirkburn | And as a result WoW is baulking and displaying ... |
| 01:12.26 | kaiden | add a config panel to your addon for font scaling so we can scale it down 80% |
| 01:12.29 | kaiden | to make it show correctly |
| 01:12.41 | Arog | whe nd oyou plan on switching to normal CT Site? |
| 01:12.44 | Kirkburn | I want to, when I have time :P |
| 01:12.46 | Arog | I want to see all the mods you have on there |
| 01:12.55 | kaiden | Kirkburn, have you played with the dynamic frame creation? |
| 01:12.57 | kaiden | it's so simple and fast |
| 01:13.25 | Cide | Arog: oh, in a couple of days |
| 01:13.27 | Kirkburn | I should submit a bug report |
| 01:13.35 | Kirkburn | No, not yet kaiden |
| 01:13.50 | Legorol | kaiden: please don't suggest dynamic frame creation for a static frame ilke an options frame |
| 01:13.55 | Thrae | I had a LOT of problems with text in 1.11. It's my contention that FontString:GetStringWidth() is not returning the right value. |
| 01:14.02 | Legorol | that's one example where dynamic frame creation is *not* necessary |
| 01:14.05 | Kirkburn | The options screen I want to make will be insanely complicated :P |
| 01:14.08 | kaiden | Legorol, for something as simple as 1 option it wouldn't change anything |
| 01:14.13 | kaiden | and would add no lag.. |
| 01:14.19 | Legorol | it's not a question of lag |
| 01:14.28 | Arog | cide, any other place where I can see screenshots of each individual mod? |
| 01:14.29 | Legorol | it's about the aversion of the majority of authors to XML |
| 01:14.39 | Legorol | where for static things, XML is better suited for the task |
| 01:15.02 | Cide | Arog: WoWI has some |
| 01:15.06 | Cide | Arog: but not a whole lot |
| 01:15.09 | Legorol | Kirkburn: sure, if your screen is complex, make it dynamic |
| 01:15.13 | Arog | alrigt cool |
| 01:15.29 | Thrae | Legorol: Funny you should mention that, I'm half-way through making a dynamic frame library purely for options frames ;) |
| 01:15.45 | cladhaire | Wow the new color picker changes are sexy |
| 01:15.48 | Legorol | everyone's jumped ont he dynamic frame bandwagon, and it's an overkill |
| 01:15.56 | Legorol | Thrae: it exists already, it's called Khaos :p |
| 01:16.03 | kaiden | it's their right to do so if they want to |
| 01:16.11 | Legorol | kaiden: true, to some extent |
| 01:16.13 | Thrae | Legorol: Khaos isn't embeddable. |
| 01:16.15 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, ? |
| 01:16.18 | Tain | It's never overkill. It's simply a different way. |
| 01:16.32 | Legorol | however, i think you should use the right tool for the job |
| 01:16.33 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: The "COPY" and "PASTE" buttons.. and the fact that you can put actual numbers in instead of having to just choose a color |
| 01:16.36 | Legorol | aversion to XML is not an excuse |
| 01:16.56 | cladhaire | Legorol: I couldn't agree more, TBH |
| 01:17.07 | Thrae | My goal is to make a very simple lib API for making a very simple options frame. |
| 01:17.16 | Arog | CT Bottom bar only works wit hthe main bar? |
| 01:17.16 | kaiden | cladhaire, hasn't that been in for like 3 or 4 patches? |
| 01:17.17 | Thrae | Your options frame need not look Uber. |
| 01:17.25 | Legorol | then use Khaos ;-) it's a very complex APi for making very simple options frames :) |
| 01:17.27 | Arog | Does it not work with the left/right and secondary bars? |
| 01:17.28 | Cide | Arog: CT_BottomBar modifies the main bar |
| 01:17.33 | Cide | Arog: CT_BarMod does the rest |
| 01:17.37 | Arog | oh |
| 01:17.40 | Arog | ok |
| 01:17.41 | cladhaire | kaiden: Probably.. |
| 01:17.42 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:17.44 | Arog | thank you :) |
| 01:17.57 | kaiden | lol claidhaire :) a bit late to that one :) but yes it is very nice |
| 01:18.00 | Tain | What?! Aversion to XML is a perfectly salient reason to use Lua to create frames. |
| 01:18.03 | kaiden | i love using it when i design my discord ui's |
| 01:18.12 | Thrae | Legorol: Let's just say Khaos isn't the right lib for this job ;) |
| 01:18.14 | kaiden | i can't wait for lozareth to put out Discord UI Builder |
| 01:18.35 | Thrae | Not to mention my test mod uses Ace, and Ace+Khaos combination would destroy the universe. |
| 01:18.38 | Legorol | Thrae: could you please elaborate? |
| 01:18.47 | Legorol | Ace and Khaos runs perfectly fine together |
| 01:18.55 | kaiden | Thrae, because ace is heavenly and khaos is the devil? :) |
| 01:19.01 | Legorol | i am interested to hear if you think Khaos is missing some features |
| 01:19.20 | Legorol | however, i would like to contest your statement that Khaos is not the right lib for the job |
| 01:19.32 | Legorol | if that's based on prejudice of some sort, let me try and combat it ;-) |
| 01:19.35 | Arog | http://www.gamespot.com/news/6153087.html Transfer service |
| 01:19.53 | Legorol | if it's based on experience with coding for Khaos, then i have nothing to say ::) |
| 01:19.59 | Cairenn | lol, old news for most in the channel at this point, but thanks Arog |
| 01:20.03 | Arog | :( |
| 01:20.05 | Arog | fine |
| 01:20.11 | Cairenn | hey, I said thank you! |
| 01:20.15 | Legorol | Cairenn: i heard Blizz pulled that one? |
| 01:20.15 | Arog | this is the interview btw lol |
| 01:20.17 | Thrae | Legorol: It's not bias, Khaos has a lot more features then I need, like handling its own database in the Khaos way. |
| 01:20.32 | Thrae | Legorol: And above all else, it's not embeddable. |
| 01:20.59 | Legorol | both of those are incorrect statements |
| 01:21.08 | Legorol | you don't need to use Khaos to manage your data, you can just use it for the GUI |
| 01:21.11 | Legorol | and it is embeddable |
| 01:21.19 | Arog | they will be talking about BC tomorrow I think |
| 01:21.23 | Arog | about BC Beta test |
| 01:21.26 | Thrae | ? AnduinLothar just said a few weeks ago that the GUI management part wasn't. |
| 01:21.29 | Arog | did you guys head over to blizzcon? |
| 01:21.57 | Legorol | funny how the dabiri interview isn't mentioned on official site |
| 01:22.09 | Legorol | ah it's on forums |
| 01:22.15 | JoshBorke | woot! |
| 01:22.31 | Kirkburn | What's this BC beta test?! |
| 01:22.34 | Legorol | ehm.. not even that |
| 01:22.38 | Legorol | just ordinn saying "no comment" |
| 01:23.14 | Arog | lol |
| 01:23.16 | Arog | sec |
| 01:23.22 | Thrae | Legorol: Can you give me an example of a mod that uses embedded Khaos? |
| 01:23.33 | Arog | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10561099&sid=1 |
| 01:23.44 | Arog | When are you going to send out the e-mails from the Honor/Leveling content for acceptance into the BC beta? Its been months without word and i'm growing tired! |
| 01:23.48 | Arog | We're going to announce those next week. There was an issue with the data. Just so you know - everyone who participated won. |
| 01:23.50 | Arog | that was last week |
| 01:23.59 | Arog | just 1 day left |
| 01:24.05 | Arog | unless!!! |
| 01:24.07 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:24.10 | Kirkburn | Everyone won? |
| 01:24.19 | Arog | HAHAHAHA the beta test is for testing transfer service!!!! |
| 01:24.27 | Arog | that will suck |
| 01:24.42 | Tem | oh piss |
| 01:24.47 | Tem | I didn't even bother |
| 01:24.49 | kaiden | which fonts are used in the training window |
| 01:24.50 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 01:24.50 | Kirkburn | Wha? |
| 01:24.54 | kaiden | it has to be something specific to those windows |
| 01:25.00 | kaiden | so they all must use one specific set of fonts |
| 01:25.34 | Arog | tem :( |
| 01:25.34 | kaiden | training and crafting windows |
| 01:25.34 | Kirkburn | Drysc already said the beta test was for BC :P |
| 01:25.34 | Arog | Kirkburn how about the blizzcon beta invitation ;) |
| 01:25.34 | Legorol | Thrae: sorry i can't give you an example, because noone has bothered |
| 01:25.38 | Legorol | i will be honest, it's not very well tested |
| 01:25.45 | Kirkburn | FRIZQT__.ttf, MORPHEUS.ttf, skurri.ttf one of those |
| 01:25.51 | Legorol | but such a version of Khaos has been around for a while |
| 01:25.55 | Kirkburn | But that's probably of no help :P |
| 01:26.02 | kaiden | nono kirkburn, which frame object uses it |
| 01:26.13 | Kirkburn | bah, I'll check the UI files for you |
| 01:26.23 | Legorol | the sad truth is, people don't want to code against Khaos, so they don't try to embed it either. no feedback. |
| 01:26.23 | kaiden | :P must fix clearfont |
| 01:26.24 | kaiden | hehe |
| 01:26.32 | kaiden | and i'm on a mac and dont have the framexml files |
| 01:26.32 | Legorol | those of us on the Cosmos team code for the non-embedded version |
| 01:26.34 | Arog | whats khaos |
| 01:27.13 | Arog | never mind |
| 01:27.27 | Legorol | Thrae: actually now that i check our SVN, someone pulled the embeddable version |
| 01:27.32 | Legorol | i guess it wasn't being used :) |
| 01:27.34 | Kirkburn | GameFontNormal, GameFontNormalSmall, GameFontHighlightSmall |
| 01:27.40 | kaiden | serious?.... lame |
| 01:27.52 | Thrae | Legorol: Well I was going by what AnduinLothar said to me a few weeks ago. If I had known that then, maybe I wouldn't have bothered. But now I've learned so much about dynamic frame creation that it would probably take me longer to learn how Khaos works ;) |
| 01:27.53 | Legorol | Thrae: do you write AddOns for Ace, btw? |
| 01:27.55 | Kirkburn | small for the options, normal for the titles etc |
| 01:28.14 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 01:28.24 | Legorol | ah there's the man |
| 01:28.34 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, didn't we used to have an embeddable version of Khaos on the SVN? |
| 01:28.50 | AnduinLothar | ha, no |
| 01:29.01 | kaiden | LOL |
| 01:29.05 | Kirkburn | burned |
| 01:29.06 | kaiden | owned :P |
| 01:29.19 | Legorol | hmm |
| 01:29.24 | Legorol | ok then i was sadly mistaken |
| 01:29.30 | Legorol | i thought that flatkhaos was embeddable |
| 01:29.35 | AnduinLothar | gotta get earth embeddable first or remove it all together.. Khaos has more xml than any mod i've ever seen |
| 01:29.46 | Legorol | since it had a TOC with all the deps embedded |
| 01:29.49 | Legorol | what happened to that? |
| 01:30.01 | AnduinLothar | no idea what you're talking about |
| 01:30.02 | Thrae | So when AnduinLothar said "It would take too much recoding and we need to make other stuff embeddable first", I wasn't dreaming |
| 01:30.07 | AnduinLothar | we have embeddable Sky |
| 01:30.50 | Legorol | Thrae: right |
| 01:31.03 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: i am talking about the version of flatkhaos that had all the deps packaged underneath Khaos |
| 01:31.25 | AnduinLothar | if you wanted to do it quick and dirty you could use IVF and make all the frames virtual and then have iriel run his script over it and the earth ones.. |
| 01:31.31 | Thrae | Legorol: To answer an earlier question, I have 1 Ace addon, but I don't code exclusively for Ace. Like I said, I do believe in the right thing for the right job. |
| 01:31.46 | Legorol | that's not i was meaning to ask |
| 01:31.53 | Legorol | what i meant to ask: when you coded for Ace, did you embed it? |
| 01:32.00 | Legorol | if yes, why, if no, why not? |
| 01:32.01 | AnduinLothar | i dont remember any such thing and even so it would not be embeddable, only just a single dep |
| 01:32.07 | Legorol | right |
| 01:32.24 | zespri_work | I want to embed chronos =) |
| 01:32.30 | Arog | question: do you recommend using DART or is that memory heavy too? |
| 01:32.32 | AnduinLothar | already embeddable |
| 01:32.33 | Thrae | I think Chronos is already embeddable |
| 01:32.41 | Legorol | i want to stop this drive for embeddable AddOns |
| 01:32.47 | Legorol | i much more prefer to educate end-users :) |
| 01:32.55 | Cairenn | it was an honest mistake, not a deliberate attempt to maliciously mislead |
| 01:33.07 | Thrae | Most end-users don't like dependencies. |
| 01:33.08 | zespri_work | oh that's cool |
| 01:33.10 | Tain | DART is very memory heavy. |
| 01:33.10 | Legorol | Cairenn: it was an overzealous attempt to convince Thrae that he is wrong ;-) |
| 01:33.10 | cladhaire | Legorol: I would prefer that 100% |
| 01:33.13 | Legorol | i needed to apologise |
| 01:33.14 | cladhaire | I don't like DLL hell in WoW |
| 01:33.15 | Kaelten | Dolby-wowi: respondend in the staff forum. |
| 01:33.16 | cladhaire | but *shrug* |
| 01:33.21 | zespri_work | I didn;t know it was embeddable. Then I'll use it! =) |
| 01:33.34 | Tain | Most end-users don't know what they like, they just respond like sheep to what one person says. |
| 01:33.34 | Arog | Tain can I see your UI please :) |
| 01:33.38 | JoshBorke | ( cladhaire ): i agree |
| 01:33.44 | Legorol | Tain: i agree |
| 01:33.52 | Cairenn | ain't that the truth |
| 01:33.53 | Legorol | it just goes to show based on Ace's popularity |
| 01:33.55 | JoshBorke | for me there is just something about looking at my addons folder and know everyone one of them is an addon |
| 01:33.57 | Thrae | It's about effort Tain, downloading and keeping two Addons up-to-date is harder then downloading 1. |
| 01:33.58 | Legorol | or things like Titan |
| 01:34.07 | Legorol | people don't have an inherent aversion to having a dependency |
| 01:34.11 | Legorol | if lots of other things support it |
| 01:34.30 | Legorol | It's funny how the things that need to become embeddable are the little-utilised libs |
| 01:34.41 | Kirkburn | Could anyone be a doll and put someone on the US forum about what we've found out about the font problems? |
| 01:34.54 | Kaelten | Legorol: thats true but with ace there is still a lot of people who wont use ace addons because of the depdency |
| 01:35.03 | Legorol | right |
| 01:35.12 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: per usual, PM me with title and text and I'll happily post |
| 01:35.12 | Legorol | and i wouldn't have downloaded FuBar just to get SoundFu |
| 01:35.24 | Arog | this may be stupid: but if DISCORD is so memory heavy why do so many people use it? |
| 01:35.26 | Arog | won't it slow them down |
| 01:35.28 | Thrae | FuBar can already be embedded as FuBar_Plugin ;) |
| 01:35.42 | Legorol | anyway, i am not saying i don't understand end-users |
| 01:35.49 | Legorol | i completely understand the need for embeddable AddOns |
| 01:35.54 | Legorol | i just don't like it that htere is such a need |
| 01:36.00 | Thrae | Arog: Like I said before, the only people that really care about resource usage are people that understand what resource usage is in the first place. |
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| 01:36.16 | Dolby-wowi | ohh i want this usb drive... http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/18/usb-teddy-bear-holds-data-scares-children/ |
| 01:36.20 | AnduinLothar | i dont use ace cause i dont like ace, has nothing to do with it being a dependancy... but then that's basicly the same reason they wrote it, cause they didn't liek the alternatives |
| 01:36.32 | Arog | Thrae :) alright thanks |
| 01:36.47 | Kaelten | AnduinLothar: heh true enough |
| 01:36.49 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: would you use it in AddOn you *did* like needed it as a dep? |
| 01:37.07 | Legorol | it's hard to see what you could like or dislike about something that is essentially intended as a pure dependency |
| 01:37.12 | Legorol | with not much functionality on its own |
| 01:37.25 | Tain | Of course I come from a world of floppy drives and no drive space, I have an aversion to embedded libs taking up more space on a drive by duplicating the same files over and over again. But! I know that's not a real issue today. |
| 01:37.37 | Tain | It's a holdover from having to find files to delete to make space on a drive for me. |
| 01:37.49 | Kaelten | Dolby-wowi: thats disturbing as hell |
| 01:37.50 | Legorol | You know how MS solved DLL hell, right? |
| 01:38.04 | Legorol | They started allowing applications to load DLLs from their own directory in addition to windows\system |
| 01:38.06 | AnduinLothar | well i still think it's liberal use of ... and unpack are detremental. BUt I have no proof so I try to to deflame it too much |
| 01:38.13 | Tain | Yeah I know Legorol |
| 01:38.16 | Legorol | so now you get apps with miriad copies of DLLs |
| 01:38.23 | Kaelten | AnduinLothar: oh it is mainly its the liberal use of ... thats bad |
| 01:38.35 | Kaelten | AnduinLothar: we're working on that fix :) |
| 01:38.41 | Tain | But since disk space is so abundant these days it doesn't matter as much anymore. |
| 01:38.47 | AnduinLothar | either way. It also has horrable readability |
| 01:38.55 | Legorol | Kaelten: do you plan on having up-to-date downloads on www.wowace.com? |
| 01:39.01 | Tain | That's a pure opinion issue of course. Readability. |
| 01:39.03 | Legorol | currently the UI sites seem to have newer versions |
| 01:39.06 | AnduinLothar | 1-3 char variable names make me violent |
| 01:39.16 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:39.26 | Legorol | but then you make too long variable names, and your tooltip doesn't work ;-) |
| 01:39.27 | Thrae | Legorol: Emeddable libs have multiple pluses -- 1) It's much easier to break up big libraries into smaller libraries that the addon ONLY needs, instead of having 5 dependencies you need to download. 2) If by some mystic chance an addon author evaporates, other addons that use their embeddable libs can auto-update that lib with bug fixes. |
| 01:39.42 | AnduinLothar | and if it's a lib i want to be able to know what it does without reading docs if need be |
| 01:39.55 | AnduinLothar | no leg, he fixxed that |
| 01:39.57 | AnduinLothar | thanks to me |
| 01:40.04 | Legorol | i know, i was just teasing you |
| 01:40.07 | AnduinLothar | you can now use up to 256 character names |
| 01:40.09 | Legorol | about long variable names |
| 01:40.10 | Thrae | Legorol: 3) It's easier to modify embeddable library code that's broken up into smaller portions then one big library. |
| 01:40.26 | Legorol | be back in a bit, need to concentrate on WoW now |
| 01:40.32 | Legorol | entering WPL and EPL for the first time in my life |
| 01:40.38 | Kirkburn | Btw, if no-one believes me that it only occurs to those with 1680x1050 resolutions - the three reports I've had have that res :/ http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1424 |
| 01:40.38 | Legorol | got to savour the experience |
| 01:40.50 | Kirkburn | (actually, add kaiden's, makes it 4) |
| 01:40.55 | AnduinLothar | that's why we have SeaHooks, SeaString and SeaPrint now |
| 01:41.11 | AnduinLothar | and SeaSpellbook |
| 01:41.26 | Thrae | Those libs have near 256-length variable names? |
| 01:41.46 | AnduinLothar | no no, small embeddables instead of large lib |
| 01:42.15 | Thrae | 01:39 < AnduinLothar> you can now use up to 256 character names <-- this lost me |
| 01:42.27 | Kirkburn | I think we should buy Bluzz Q&A 1680x1050 monitors :) |
| 01:42.28 | AnduinLothar | oh, had to know the bg |
| 01:42.34 | AnduinLothar | tooltip names |
| 01:42.38 | Kirkburn | Great, now I'm making up companies too |
| 01:43.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:43.14 | Thrae | Ahhh |
| 01:43.14 | AnduinLothar | used to be SuperLongTooltipNameLeft1Text:GetText would fail |
| 01:43.15 | Kirkburn | Waitasec .... *looks at AnduinLothar* .... do they have 1680x1050 monitors there? |
| 01:43.46 | AnduinLothar | if the FontString name was over 22 characters |
| 01:44.07 | Legorol | moment of joy: I now know where Scholomance is |
| 01:44.15 | Arog | ... |
| 01:44.23 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:44.27 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Yes, those are usually LCD-TVs. |
| 01:44.27 | Legorol | the little things that make your life happy |
| 01:44.40 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Here's one -- http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF05a/20491-314293-314303-314303-314303-12201140.html |
| 01:44.45 | AnduinLothar | which I was able to debug. Legorol later told me I was a genious cause he would never have thought to rename the tooltip.. |
| 01:44.59 | Kirkburn | Stoppit, I don't wanna go to bed jealous :P |
| 01:45.16 | AnduinLothar | and now he's teasing me to make up for his compliment |
| 01:45.26 | Thrae | Kirkburn: I use a 1900x1200, 24" monitor ;) |
| 01:45.42 | AnduinLothar | hat and i use ReallyVeryLongAndVerBoseVariableNames |
| 01:45.44 | Thrae | ClearFont works fine! |
| 01:46.04 | MentalPower | 1920x1200 you mean :) |
| 01:46.25 | MentalPower | Kirkburn: what font does clearfont use? |
| 01:46.46 | Kirkburn | cripes, so much red text |
| 01:46.51 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Certain members of the Ace community were getting on me about my like of camelization, partial apps hungarian, and long, descriptive variable names. |
| 01:46.51 | Kirkburn | Thrae, I hate you |
| 01:47.08 | Kirkburn | MentalPower, Calibri, standard font in Office 2007 |
| 01:47.10 | Arog | alright I think I am going to wathc some 24 |
| 01:47.12 | Arog | cya guys tomorrow :) |
| 01:47.15 | Thrae | Kirkburn: I bet you actually have money though. I live in debt. Glorious 1920x1200 debt! |
| 01:47.19 | Cairenn | later Arog |
| 01:47.21 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 01:47.23 | Kirkburn | See ya Arog |
| 01:47.27 | Arog | afk |
| 01:47.30 | Tain | Ah most of the Ace people have a sense of humor and like to poke fun at people's variable methods. |
| 01:47.56 | Tain | Just look at how much grief Rowne used to get. :) |
| 01:48.11 | AnduinLothar | rowne's grief was well deserved imo |
| 01:48.11 | kaiden | Kirburn, fixed clearfont :) |
| 01:48.13 | Thrae | I haven't looked at Ace 2.0 yet, but I wonder if it still uses the Rowne convention of obsfucation. |
| 01:48.18 | Kirkburn | I'm just not going to comment about Rowne |
| 01:48.26 | Cairenn | wise decision |
| 01:48.31 | Tain | We're just talking about variable names! |
| 01:48.39 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 01:48.41 | AnduinLothar | ok, i'm out |
| 01:48.43 | Kirkburn | Yay for Kaiden! |
| 01:48.50 | kaiden | i changed the fontscaling on every SetFont you made to a multiple of 80/100; and that barely not even noticibly changed the visible font |
| 01:48.55 | kaiden | however it took away the evil ... of doom |
| 01:49.11 | Kirkburn | woop! cheer! breakdownandcry! |
| 01:49.16 | Thrae | Rowne's code sometimes looked like Thott's code after he ran it through his obsfucation script ;) |
| 01:50.02 | Kaelten | sometimes? |
| 01:50.30 | Thrae | I'm trying to give him a little respect here, Kaelten :D |
| 01:50.39 | Kaelten | lol |
| 01:50.44 | Tain | There was an actual method to it though! It wasn't don't simply to make things difficult for other people. |
| 01:51.07 | Thrae | Tain: Actually, I remember him specifically saying he did it to make things difficult for other people :D |
| 01:51.15 | Kaelten | he was convinced it made the code faster even if unnotabily |
| 01:51.52 | Thrae | Rowne believed that the increased difficulty makes the reader a better coder. |
| 01:52.08 | Tain | Not exactly. He said he didn't code to make it easier for other people. |
| 01:52.08 | Kaelten | lol |
| 01:52.31 | Kaelten | ace2 is a step away from ace1 for sure its going to be a lot different |
| 01:52.34 | Tain | But he wasn't doing it simply to make it difficult, it was a way he was comfortable with. |
| 01:53.04 | Thrae | Tain: I'm paraphrasing what he said in an old topic of mine entitled something like "Good Design Habits" |
| 01:53.49 | Kaelten | anyway back to a topic more people feel comfortable talking about :) |
| 01:54.24 | Legorol | yay i just ran past a roadsign pointing to Stratholme |
| 01:54.26 | Legorol | how exciting |
| 01:54.39 | Legorol | Cairenn: do you still not possess a level 60? |
| 01:55.18 | Thrae | Cairenn probably gets free accounts and free Level 60s, heh. |
| 01:56.48 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Did you mention earlier that Iriel has a script which pops up lua code for XML? |
| 01:57.21 | Kirkburn | Quick! Get me a towel! |
| 01:57.39 | Thrae | Really, it would suck if Cairenn didn't at least get a free account from OGaming. |
| 01:57.39 | Cairenn | Legorol: you would be correct, I don't |
| 01:58.09 | Legorol | good girl! |
| 01:58.19 | Legorol | have you been to every zone in the game? |
| 01:58.25 | Cairenn | nope |
| 01:58.26 | Kirkburn | Legorol, don't feel tooo lonely now :) |
| 01:58.38 | Legorol | well i just found company in my insanity :) |
| 01:58.44 | Kirkburn | I'm sure there are many others who are just as bad as you :P |
| 01:58.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:58.52 | Legorol | Kirkburn: i doubt it |
| 01:58.55 | Thrae | I've been playing for a year and a half and I have a Level 42. |
| 01:58.56 | Kirkburn | uh, what am I saying |
| 01:59.00 | Legorol | i was already coding UI when i didn't even have WoW |
| 01:59.09 | Cairenn | and I've been playing for over 2 years now, since *very* early in the CB |
| 01:59.14 | Legorol | the first time i got to test my code was US stress test |
| 01:59.19 | Legorol | ok Cairenn beats me ;-) |
| 01:59.26 | Legorol | you didn't have a 60 in beta either? |
| 01:59.30 | Cairenn | nope |
| 01:59.42 | Legorol | well the thing is, i am not exhausting the remaining zones |
| 01:59.43 | Cairenn | only time I"ve had a 60 was this last PTR |
| 01:59.46 | Legorol | only a few left that i never visited |
| 01:59.53 | Legorol | not -> now |
| 01:59.57 | Cairenn | and I never even logged it in |
| 02:00.04 | Kirkburn | There weren't level 60s in the beta for some of the time, were there not? |
| 02:00.05 | Legorol | PTR doesn't count |
| 02:00.14 | Legorol | Kirkburn: that's correct, they gradually upped the cap |
| 02:00.18 | Legorol | i beleive it started off at 30 |
| 02:00.25 | Cairenn | correct |
| 02:00.26 | Kirkburn | Good thing to. No point spoiling the experience |
| 02:00.45 | Tem | DAMNIT! |
| 02:00.46 | Cairenn | actually, the original was 20, iirc, but that's a while back now, I don't remember for sure |
| 02:00.47 | Legorol | but this Midsummer Fire Festival, one of the quests involved going to EPL |
| 02:00.51 | Tem | Dumptruck is taken |
| 02:00.56 | Tem | I wanted to name my warlock that |
| 02:01.03 | Legorol | and i do like completing seasonal quests |
| 02:01.24 | Tain | I actually don't think I'll participate in betas for any games again. They have a tendancy to spoil my enjoyment of the game somewhat after release. |
| 02:01.25 | Legorol | it's also fun to find out where places like Scholomance and Stratholme are |
| 02:01.31 | Legorol | you hear people toss them around casually all the time |
| 02:01.38 | Legorol | and up until now i didn't even have a clue where they were :) |
| 02:01.39 | Thrae | Cairenn, you do so much for the community and don't get any free stuff. That's just wrong. |
| 02:01.40 | Legorol | fun fun |
| 02:01.58 | Legorol | Thrae: she gets ton of love for free? |
| 02:02.03 | Legorol | others have to pay for that stuff you know |
| 02:02.09 | Tain | It's the summer of free love! |
| 02:02.10 | Cairenn | if you have to pay for it, it isn't love :p |
| 02:02.10 | Thrae | Love cannot be ebay'd! |
| 02:02.33 | kaiden | Thrae, i dont agree with you there |
| 02:02.37 | kaiden | anything can be ebay'd |
| 02:02.37 | Tain | You can't buy love. But you can rent it for a short time. |
| 02:02.38 | kaiden | heh |
| 02:02.39 | Legorol | Cairenn, that's a difficult one |
| 02:02.42 | Kirkburn | Legorol, for a loong time I didn't know what was on Caer Darrow |
| 02:02.47 | Legorol | if a young girl marries an old guy who is rich, |
| 02:03.00 | Legorol | and she is perfectly happy with her life and her money, |
| 02:03.09 | Legorol | what's wrong with calling that love? |
| 02:03.23 | Legorol | especially if she feels happy affections towards the guy |
| 02:03.23 | Cairenn | not getting into this |
| 02:03.26 | Legorol | even if it's because of his money |
| 02:03.41 | Kirkburn | I don't think I found out what was on Caer Darrow until I was about 55 |
| 02:03.48 | Kirkburn | probably not even then |
| 02:03.59 | Thrae | Because the definition of love is a particular emotion becaused by certain chemical reactions in the brain. |
| 02:04.31 | Legorol | but can't this emotion not be activated not by the person's look or personality, but by their wealth? |
| 02:04.36 | Kirkburn | The definition of love is not being able to sleep without them :( |
| 02:05.24 | Kirkburn | So er ... I'm to bed! Bed, to me! |
| 02:05.29 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 02:05.30 | JoshBorke | night Kirkburn |
| 02:05.34 | JoshBorke | i know what you mean :-) |
| 02:05.36 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 02:05.37 | Kirkburn | Here bed, bed, bed. Good bed. |
| 02:05.44 | JoshBorke | oh yeah, you send those flowers? |
| 02:05.48 | Thrae | Well, it depends on the definition you're using. The first definition of love implies you are physically attracted to that person as well. The second definition implies romance. The third definition is broad. |
| 02:06.02 | Kirkburn | Gonna send early 2moro |
| 02:06.12 | JoshBorke | what'd you decide on? |
| 02:06.38 | Kirkburn | http://www.interflora.co.uk/catalog/product.xml?product_id=1021270;category_id=8;pcid1=;pcid2= |
| 02:06.45 | Tain | And in the end the love you make is equal to the love you take. |
| 02:06.49 | Kirkburn | + choccies, vase, 'love balloon' |
| 02:07.14 | JoshBorke | very pretty :-) |
| 02:07.31 | JoshBorke | s/pretty/nice/ |
| 02:07.37 | Kirkburn | Her cats can play with the balloon whilst she munches on the choccy ;) Actually, they'll just eat the flowers, but nevermind ;) |
| 02:08.11 | Kirkburn | Sleep well, one and all! |
| 02:08.32 | Tain | 99 luft balloons? |
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| 02:10.35 | MentalPower | does anyone remember the address of the CG IRC channel? |
| 02:11.05 | MentalPower | I know its in quakenet, but quake has 100,000 channels+ so I can't simply search thru the channel list |
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| 02:16.40 | Legorol | Houston, we have a problem.. |
| 02:16.49 | Legorol | (Cairenn, spoiler warning, stop reading now ;-)) |
| 02:17.04 | Legorol | I just walked into Stratholme... and I can't walk out! |
| 02:17.09 | Legorol | some stupid gets block the instance portal |
| 02:17.16 | Legorol | s/gets/gates/ |
| 02:17.26 | Cide | Legorol: yep :) |
| 02:17.30 | Tarog | :P |
| 02:17.32 | Legorol | ouch |
| 02:17.41 | JoshBorke | ROFL LEGOROL! |
| 02:17.42 | Legorol | i'm going to be ripped apart alive by these skelis |
| 02:17.46 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 02:17.51 | JoshBorke | get nekkid :-P |
| 02:17.53 | Cide | Legorol: easiest way to get out if you don't want to hearth/portal(if mage), is to strip naked and run back |
| 02:17.57 | Cide | and zone into DEAD side |
| 02:17.59 | Legorol | JoshBorke: it's not funny |
| 02:18.09 | JoshBorke | oh it's happened to me in a 5 man group |
| 02:18.19 | JoshBorke | we were gonna wipe so we all tried to run out |
| 02:18.26 | JoshBorke | so i know exactly how you feel |
| 02:18.30 | Legorol | Cide, i have no idea what DEAD side is, nor do i wish to know :) |
| 02:18.38 | Cide | Legorol: you zoned into LIVE side |
| 02:18.40 | JoshBorke | you running coordinates? |
| 02:18.57 | Legorol | guys, i was just telling you for your amusement, i will HS out |
| 02:18.58 | Cide | stratholme is split into two sides (kind of), one of which is scarlet crusade (living), and undead (dead) |
| 02:19.01 | Legorol | i don't need no spoilers ;-) |
| 02:19.03 | Cide | Legorol: haha |
| 02:19.05 | JoshBorke | -) |
| 02:19.05 | Cide | sorry :( |
| 02:19.12 | Legorol | no problem |
| 02:19.17 | Legorol | i know how to filter, i see the signs coming ;-) |
| 02:19.21 | JoshBorke | what lvl are you legorol? |
| 02:19.24 | Legorol | sight, HS it is |
| 02:19.34 | Legorol | and i rode all the way from ChillWind camp |
| 02:19.38 | Legorol | i'm yet to find the FP in EPL |
| 02:19.49 | Ktron | heh heh, its will worth it leg |
| 02:19.50 | Legorol | JoshBorke: 53 |
| 02:20.00 | Legorol | it's all fun fun |
| 02:20.10 | Legorol | just no more Stratholme for me, HS is on cooldown |
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| 02:20.34 | Buttink | the noob is back |
| 02:20.54 | Legorol | I think now i will try and see what happens if I walk up to Scholomance :) |
| 02:21.01 | Legorol | i'll be careful with the portal this time |
| 02:21.20 | Legorol | (Cairenn, you can open your ears now) |
| 02:21.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:21.52 | Legorol | btw, for anyone that thinks this is funny: |
| 02:21.53 | Legorol | it is! |
| 02:22.09 | Legorol | there is nothing better in WoW than exploring places you've never been |
| 02:22.20 | Legorol | i pity the poor 60s who've been everywhere, to every instance 10 times |
| 02:22.23 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 02:23.31 | Legorol | hm, gone awfully queit |
| 02:23.36 | Legorol | s/queit/quiet/ |
| 02:23.47 | Legorol | ~botsnack |
| 02:23.47 | purl | :), Legorol |
| 02:23.52 | Legorol | you're working hard today, purl |
| 02:23.55 | Legorol | i keep making typos |
| 02:24.17 | Legorol | ~what is purl? |
| 02:24.19 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Legorol |
| 02:24.20 | Legorol | ~purl |
| 02:24.21 | purl | [ibot] a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 02:24.51 | Buttink | gar there isnt a super easy way to change fonts is there GAR! dam u wow |
| 02:25.01 | Legorol | there is |
| 02:25.06 | Legorol | just change GameFontNormal |
| 02:25.08 | Buttink | ... u lie |
| 02:25.10 | Legorol | and it will propagate to everything that uses it |
| 02:25.17 | Legorol | similarly for other fonts |
| 02:25.28 | Buttink | wow wow wait your breaking the fourth wall |
| 02:25.31 | Legorol | or get an AddOn :) |
| 02:25.42 | Buttink | addons have gay fonts i want my own :) |
| 02:26.01 | Cairenn | ... |
| 02:26.20 | Cairenn | I'm quite sure that the fonts are very happy, yes |
| 02:26.45 | Legorol | Cairenn, let's share inexperience |
| 02:26.50 | Legorol | which are the zones you haven't been to yet? |
| 02:27.00 | Legorol | i've never been in Felwood and Winterspring |
| 02:27.05 | Cairenn | been there |
| 02:27.27 | Legorol | i've also never quested in nor fully revealed a number of mid-range zones |
| 02:27.35 | Legorol | inc. Feralas, Dustwallow Marsh, Searing Gorge |
| 02:27.39 | Tain | Felwood always scares me |
| 02:27.41 | Legorol | what about you? |
| 02:27.55 | Cide | Legorol: scholomance's portal is innocent |
| 02:27.59 | Cide | however, getting in isn't :) |
| 02:28.06 | Thrae | What's the BLP viewer for Windows that everyone uses? |
| 02:28.27 | JoshBorke | lol cide |
| 02:28.29 | JoshBorke | shhh |
| 02:28.41 | Legorol | i don't know what everyone else uses, but i use BLP2 Viewer |
| 02:28.54 | Thrae | Legorol: You use a Mac, right? |
| 02:28.59 | Legorol | nope |
| 02:29.03 | Legorol | only AnduinLothar is that crazy.. |
| 02:29.04 | Cairenn | Haven't been to ... Silithus |
| 02:29.06 | Legorol | he is the resident Maccer |
| 02:29.20 | Legorol | good point about Silithus, i wouldn't have been there either ordinarily |
| 02:29.20 | Thrae | BLP2 Viewer was originally coded on a Mac, I'm trying to find Windows binaries... |
| 02:29.21 | Cide | I haven't been to Hyjal... |
| 02:29.27 | Cide | other than that, I've been to every zone I think |
| 02:29.28 | Legorol | went there for the gate opening though, at level 35 |
| 02:29.37 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): northeast of EPL? |
| 02:29.38 | Legorol | Cide: Hyjal is not a zone :p |
| 02:29.42 | Cide | Legorol: sure it is! |
| 02:29.44 | Legorol | at least not one you are supposed to go in |
| 02:29.47 | Cairenn | not sure about searing gorge & burning steppes |
| 02:29.55 | Legorol | those are fun places! |
| 02:29.57 | Cide | ok, I've been to every zone that's "legally" in the game |
| 02:30.07 | Cide | including Naxxramsa! |
| 02:30.10 | Cide | Naxxramas, too |
| 02:30.12 | Legorol | without spoiling anything, can i just say, when i went to those two, i had one of the best Whoah! experiences |
| 02:30.26 | Cairenn | which one has the dark portal? |
| 02:30.30 | Cide | blasted lands |
| 02:30.36 | Cairenn | okay, been there |
| 02:30.54 | Cairenn | which has BRD and BRS? |
| 02:30.56 | Legorol | ever visited the Blackrock Mountain? |
| 02:31.05 | Cide | BRD, BRS = searing gorge |
| 02:31.12 | Legorol | Cairenn: that'd be Blackrock Mountain, accessible from Burning Steppes |
| 02:31.13 | Cairenn | okay, been there then |
| 02:31.17 | Legorol | and Searing Gorge too |
| 02:31.59 | Cide | I've never accessed it from burning steppes actually |
| 02:32.00 | Legorol | that's where i accessed it first |
| 02:32.00 | Cairenn | okay, so I guess the only zone I haven't been in is Silithus then |
| 02:32.00 | JoshBorke | the raid-info pop-up is a function of blizzard and not an addon, right? |
| 02:32.00 | Tain | Oooh Silithus scares me too |
| 02:32.00 | Cide | JoshBorke: correct |
| 02:32.04 | Cide | silithus is fun |
| 02:32.06 | Cairenn | hate the bugs |
| 02:32.09 | Legorol | Cide: i didn't get to Searing Gorge for a long time, because there isn't a quest that sends you there |
| 02:32.10 | JoshBorke | is there is a fix for it? |
| 02:32.11 | Cairenn | hate hate hate hate hate |
| 02:32.14 | Tain | Bugs creep me out man |
| 02:32.15 | Legorol | in fact afaik that's the only zone for which that is true |
| 02:32.28 | Cide | silithus is a lot about humanoids too :) |
| 02:32.29 | JoshBorke | ( Legorol ): horde or alliance? |
| 02:32.30 | Legorol | and i have this fetish about visiting zones... only do them when someone asks me to ;-) |
| 02:32.36 | Legorol | JoshBorke: Alliance |
| 02:32.43 | Legorol | but it's true for Horde as well, i think |
| 02:32.45 | JoshBorke | there is a hint to visit it |
| 02:32.59 | JoshBorke | if you talk to the person guarding the gate to it in loch modan |
| 02:33.00 | Legorol | well there is a huge zone on the map, thanks very much, that is a hint all righ |
| 02:33.19 | Tain | I'm pretty annoyed at this whole scourge invasion right now, I can't go exping in a couple of zones because there are those things all over the place and they're level ?? compared to the zone level |
| 02:33.36 | Legorol | Tain: but they are non-aggressive, aren't they? |
| 02:33.39 | Legorol | at least in lower level areas.. |
| 02:33.53 | JoshBorke | in any of the 'attacked' zones they are aggressive |
| 02:33.57 | Legorol | ouch |
| 02:34.01 | Legorol | that's a bit silly |
| 02:34.05 | Cide | it's great! |
| 02:34.07 | Tain | Yeah it really bugs me. |
| 02:34.15 | Cide | I'm AoE grinding them for AD rep. /yay! |
| 02:34.24 | lad|sleep | lol |
| 02:34.25 | Cide | I guess it's not very fun as a non-60, though |
| 02:34.25 | Legorol | i think it's fun though, but i can see how it can annoy people |
| 02:34.27 | Tain | Sure if you're 60. |
| 02:34.31 | lad|sleep | i need to do that on my priest/rogue |
| 02:34.37 | lad|sleep | how much rep per kill? |
| 02:34.42 | Cide | 5 |
| 02:34.53 | clad|sleep | stoping at what level? |
| 02:34.59 | Cide | when you get revered |
| 02:35.03 | clad|sleep | wow |
| 02:35.03 | clad|sleep | nice =) |
| 02:35.29 | JoshBorke | bah! too bad i already hit revered :-( |
| 02:35.34 | Cide | 25 for shades (+corrupted scourgestone) |
| 02:35.39 | clad|sleep | oooh |
| 02:35.42 | JoshBorke | those shades hurt |
| 02:35.43 | clad|sleep | holy nova ftw =) |
| 02:35.49 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 02:35.52 | Cide | you can solo shades as a priest |
| 02:35.56 | Cide | with shackle undead kiting |
| 02:35.58 | JoshBorke | yea, because you can shackle |
| 02:36.05 | JoshBorke | not so ez with paladin :-( |
| 02:36.07 | Cide | hunters can kite too |
| 02:36.31 | Tain | Actually levelling a Rogue is bad, I cleared most of the Un'Goro Crater quests that are level 53-55 quests... at level 49. |
| 02:36.42 | Cide | Tain: horde? |
| 02:36.47 | Tain | Alliance |
| 02:36.51 | Cide | aww. |
| 02:36.57 | Legorol | you know, that's one thing i never get: |
| 02:37.01 | Cide | revantusk village is *perfect* for 49 |
| 02:37.03 | Legorol | how can people run out of quests to do? |
| 02:37.05 | Thrae | Tain: Grinding is faster! |
| 02:37.06 | Legorol | i always find it curious |
| 02:37.09 | Cide | Legorol: I do |
| 02:37.13 | Legorol | people complain all the time they have nothing to do |
| 02:37.22 | Cide | Legorol: when you powerlevel second time or so |
| 02:37.23 | Legorol | and they ask where should they go, what should they do |
| 02:37.23 | Thrae | Grind + TV |
| 02:37.32 | Kemayo_ | I can see running out of level-appropriate quests to do. |
| 02:37.33 | Cide | you know which quests to do together |
| 02:37.36 | Legorol | i find that i always have too much qeusts if anything |
| 02:37.45 | Legorol | just simply clearing out green quests from my log levels me faster than i get quests |
| 02:37.47 | Tain | Grinding is NOT faster. Because I'll grind for 15 minutes and log off because it's so mind-numbingly boring to me. |
| 02:37.55 | Cide | so you do them fast, and end up being 'too effective', thus missing the experience from killing mobs more than once |
| 02:38.10 | Thrae | Tain: That's why you need a TV ;) |
| 02:38.26 | Cide | you usually DON'T run out of quests anyway |
| 02:38.28 | Tain | I have one right next to the computer, Thrae. It doesn't help. |
| 02:38.31 | Cide | it mostly happens in 30-40 |
| 02:38.46 | Tain | Thankfully I just hit 50 and unlocked a whole bunch more quests. |
| 02:38.47 | Cide | which is probably the area that needs the most improvements, quest-wise (other than 60+) |
| 02:38.48 | Legorol | 30-40? |
| 02:38.52 | Legorol | but that's like.. ehm.. let me see |
| 02:38.54 | Cide | well, 30-50 actually |
| 02:39.00 | Cide | 35-50 maybe |
| 02:39.02 | clad|sleep | 30-40 sucks |
| 02:39.04 | Legorol | there is STV, Arathi, Alterac, Dustwallow, Desolace |
| 02:39.06 | Legorol | those are 30-40 |
| 02:39.15 | Cide | yeah |
| 02:39.17 | Cide | 40-50? |
| 02:39.22 | clad|sleep | i finish them in like 2 seconds |
| 02:39.28 | clad|sleep | desolace is 25-30 |
| 02:39.33 | clad|sleep | for me |
| 02:39.39 | JoshBorke | feralas, searing gorge, badlands, tanaris |
| 02:39.42 | Tain | hehe STV you can do 30-45 really. I spend so much time there |
| 02:39.46 | JoshBorke | STV |
| 02:39.50 | Cide | almost no quests in SG, badlands |
| 02:39.53 | JoshBorke | hinterlands |
| 02:39.58 | Cide | hinterlands is 48+ |
| 02:40.04 | Legorol | ok, let's see... Feralas, Tanaris, some STV, some Badlands still, some Felwood later, Hinterlands, Blasted Lands |
| 02:40.07 | clad|sleep | 43+ if you ar a hunter |
| 02:40.07 | JoshBorke | hrm, shows how much i show up in hinterlands :D |
| 02:40.12 | Legorol | Cide: not true |
| 02:40.16 | Tain | I was just doing Blasted Lands quests when the damn scourge nonsense started. |
| 02:40.16 | Cide | felwood is 51-53 or so |
| 02:40.19 | Legorol | with a hunter i quested in Hinterlands at 41 |
| 02:40.20 | Cide | Legorol: for horde it is |
| 02:40.21 | Legorol | Azshara too |
| 02:40.31 | Legorol | Cide: oh ok, i only know alliance |
| 02:40.34 | Tain | I'm not doing Felwood until at least 53. I swear that zone kicks my ass. |
| 02:40.35 | Cide | revantusk village is almost all 48-50 quests |
| 02:40.55 | clad|sleep | i loved raventusk |
| 02:40.56 | JoshBorke | tanaris will hold you for a while |
| 02:41.00 | clad|sleep | can grind those turtles all day long =) |
| 02:41.06 | Cide | I completed tanaris in seconds |
| 02:41.06 | Legorol | basically i find that people don't seem to have quests because they are only willing to do stuff that's easy |
| 02:41.13 | Cide | and then at 50 |
| 02:41.27 | Cide | you get access to WPL, felwood, azshara |
| 02:41.34 | Tain | I can't grind turtles. I just cant' do it. |
| 02:41.37 | Legorol | Azshara at 50? |
| 02:41.39 | Legorol | that's way too late |
| 02:41.44 | Legorol | i was duoing Azshara at 42 |
| 02:41.46 | Thrae | Sometimes you can run out of green and low yellow quests and only end up with the harder quests that probably require one more person. |
| 02:41.49 | Cide | azshara at 48-50 for horde |
| 02:41.55 | Legorol | actually the problem we had with Azshara is that |
| 02:41.57 | JoshBorke | i'd say azshara is 45 is a good starting place |
| 02:42.05 | Legorol | we were too low to get any quests for there |
| 02:42.06 | Thrae | I mean, come on, this is a CRPG until Level 55, we all know that! :D |
| 02:42.07 | Cide | 53 you can probably start doing winterspring and epl |
| 02:42.12 | Legorol | even though we could kill the 48-50 mobs just fine |
| 02:42.21 | Cide | searing gorge at ~50 |
| 02:42.30 | JoshBorke | that's too late for searing gorge |
| 02:42.31 | Legorol | Searing Gorge at 50? again, that's late |
| 02:42.36 | Cide | not for horde :) |
| 02:42.37 | JoshBorke | i did all the quests at 46-48 |
| 02:42.43 | Cide | see |
| 02:42.45 | JoshBorke | the quests from TP are the same |
| 02:42.54 | Cide | I'd rather do quests when they're yellow/light green than yellow/orange |
| 02:43.02 | Cide | same amount of XP, but easier |
| 02:43.02 | Legorol | exactly |
| 02:43.09 | Legorol | hence why people run out of quests |
| 02:43.10 | Legorol | they want green |
| 02:43.17 | Cide | I do yellow np |
| 02:43.17 | Legorol | anything that orange scares them |
| 02:43.22 | Cide | heh, no |
| 02:43.24 | Legorol | not to mention red |
| 02:43.25 | clad|sleep | i do red shit |
| 02:43.26 | clad|sleep | hehe |
| 02:43.29 | clad|sleep | just to see if i can |
| 02:43.30 | Cide | but it's more efficient to do light green |
| 02:43.35 | JoshBorke | there's no point in doing red though |
| 02:43.38 | JoshBorke | same xp as orange |
| 02:43.44 | Legorol | JoshBorke: not true |
| 02:43.46 | Cide | same xp as light green often |
| 02:43.56 | Legorol | no, XP scales with colour |
| 02:43.57 | Legorol | however, |
| 02:44.00 | Cide | not by a lot |
| 02:44.02 | Legorol | proportionally speaking, |
| 02:44.13 | Cide | you run out of quests if you do too high level ones, in my opinion :) |
| 02:44.13 | Legorol | the amount of effort necessary for a red quest isn't proportional to the reward you get |
| 02:44.26 | JoshBorke | bah, 8.4% to lvl 51 |
| 02:44.30 | JoshBorke | i just can't make that push ;-( |
| 02:44.31 | Legorol | Cide: i don't know... i am 53 and i have way too many quests, always did |
| 02:44.35 | Legorol | and i skipped a lot of zones |
| 02:44.37 | Cide | Legorol: yeah |
| 02:44.41 | Cide | 50+ is quest heaven |
| 02:44.52 | Tain | clad I do red stuff just because I can. I mean at level 49 I was only even blinking at attacking something if it was 53 |
| 02:44.53 | Legorol | no no, you don't understand |
| 02:44.59 | Legorol | i haven't even started getting quests at the 50+ zones |
| 02:45.13 | Cide | you must kill more stuff than I do |
| 02:45.19 | Cide | take the thorium point quest to go into the tar pit |
| 02:45.19 | Thrae | Yeah, as an Engineer Druid I could do Red, non-Elite quests but they take too much time. |
| 02:45.27 | Legorol | i always avoid killing anything that doesn't involve the quest |
| 02:45.27 | Cide | like 100 non-elite humanoids in there |
| 02:45.30 | Legorol | becuase i hate grinding |
| 02:45.31 | Thrae | Grind grind grind... |
| 02:45.36 | Cide | I had to pick up some mats in there |
| 02:45.47 | Cide | option 1: kill my way there |
| 02:45.54 | Cide | option 2: mind soothe my way there and fear the boss |
| 02:46.08 | Cide | I chose option 2 and finished it in 5 minutes, but probably lost a couple of thousand XP I could've gotten from killing |
| 02:46.18 | clad|sleep | Ok |
| 02:46.20 | clad|sleep | quick question |
| 02:46.24 | clad|sleep | Zul'Farak |
| 02:46.26 | Legorol | quick answer |
| 02:46.28 | clad|sleep | three healers, one blooddrinker |
| 02:46.31 | Legorol | ZF, nice place |
| 02:46.35 | clad|sleep | level 60 druid and 45 warrior |
| 02:46.39 | clad|sleep | how do we manage this? |
| 02:46.39 | Legorol | drops Sul'Thraze the Lasher |
| 02:46.44 | Tain | See I'll spend the time getting quests, extra time running bakc and forth, because otherwise I wouldn't do it at all. I need that break from flat out killing. |
| 02:46.58 | Cide | clad|sleep: bear tank 3, warrior 1 |
| 02:46.59 | Legorol | clad|sleep: with difficulty, tbh |
| 02:47.09 | Legorol | three healers heal each other too quickly |
| 02:47.12 | clad|sleep | *nod* |
| 02:47.13 | Legorol | you need to nuke a healer asap |
| 02:47.16 | Cide | take out the blooddrinker |
| 02:47.17 | clad|sleep | triple healing totems |
| 02:47.20 | clad|sleep | i'm a druid.. i can't nuke =) |
| 02:47.24 | clad|sleep | the blooddrinker is a non-issue |
| 02:47.33 | Corrodias | moonfire + innervate! |
| 02:47.36 | Legorol | clad|sleep: i would attempt intimidating shout |
| 02:47.42 | Cide | take him out first so you have one less mob to worry about |
| 02:47.44 | Legorol | and nuke the remaining healer |
| 02:47.45 | Legorol | go cat form |
| 02:47.49 | clad|sleep | Legorol: Good call. |
| 02:48.01 | clad|sleep | Cide: Damage isn't the issue.. infinite freaking healing is =) |
| 02:48.02 | Legorol | Cide: doesn't the blooddrinker get healed too, from the totems? |
| 02:48.08 | Cide | yes |
| 02:48.09 | clad|sleep | *nod* |
| 02:48.17 | Legorol | yeah so i'd go nuke a healer asap |
| 02:48.17 | Cide | pull him away |
| 02:48.26 | Legorol | you probably can't split the group |
| 02:48.31 | Cide | you have two people |
| 02:48.34 | clad|sleep | *nod* |
| 02:48.37 | clad|sleep | we'll have to play |
| 02:48.38 | Legorol | clad|sleep: also, if any of you are engineers, |
| 02:48.38 | Cide | have the warrior tank him and pull him away |
| 02:48.43 | Legorol | use grenades |
| 02:48.56 | Legorol | the warrior should try to interrupt as many casts as he can |
| 02:49.04 | Legorol | using either pummel or shield bash |
| 02:49.06 | Tain | Sap one, dps one down hard |
| 02:49.13 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Ambush caster with TF + Ravage. If there is more then one healer, use Bear Form and built up rage, waiting to Maul + Bash + Swipe and Feral Charge if needing for extra time. |
| 02:49.17 | clad|sleep | if we root pull on the back caster, and he takes one healer, I can kill the other healer. |
| 02:49.29 | Legorol | Thrae: i wouldn't go bear, not enough dps |
| 02:49.36 | Legorol | i think damage is not the issue here, but amount of dps |
| 02:49.48 | Corrodias | you know, dps is damage over time |
| 02:49.49 | clad|sleep | i'm going to need to root to get rid |
| 02:49.55 | Legorol | Corrodias: sorry let me rephrase |
| 02:49.57 | clad|sleep | otherwise kill one, wipe and go back |
| 02:49.58 | Thrae | Legorol: If you're Feral spec'd, more then enough damage |
| 02:49.58 | Corrodias | :) |
| 02:50.01 | Legorol | the issue is not the damage taken |
| 02:50.07 | Legorol | but damage dealt |
| 02:50.11 | clad|sleep | i'm 30/21 feral/resto =) |
| 02:50.17 | clad|sleep | its just tactics in this case =) |
| 02:50.19 | clad|sleep | too much healing |
| 02:50.20 | clad|sleep | its fun |
| 02:50.24 | Thrae | Corrodias: DPS is the correct term, Damage Per Second. "Not enough DPS" means "Not enough damage per SECOND" |
| 02:50.31 | Legorol | clad|sleep: i'd try the inti shout |
| 02:50.47 | Legorol | unfortunately you only get one go |
| 02:50.52 | Thrae | DoT is "Damage Over Time", they are two different paradigms |
| 02:50.54 | Legorol | 10 min cooldown sucks :/ |
| 02:51.07 | Corrodias | i understand that |
| 02:51.21 | Legorol | Thrae is right, the issue here is how fast you can deal damage |
| 02:51.23 | Thrae | clad|sleep: That's my build too, it's perfect with 1.11 and Innervate. |
| 02:51.37 | Corrodias | saying that the issue isn't "damage" but rather "damage per second" isn't a clear way of saying what he wanted to say, though, which is why he agreed to rephrase it |
| 02:51.43 | clad|sleep | oh shit |
| 02:51.45 | clad|sleep | i forgot i had innervate |
| 02:51.46 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Do you have Feral Frenzy? |
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| 02:52.09 | Tain | Wow.. a druid forgetting innervate? |
| 02:52.18 | Legorol | because it's new |
| 02:52.21 | clad|sleep | Thrae: Feral Frenzy? |
| 02:52.28 | clad|sleep | I haven't been on my druid in a month and a half |
| 02:52.38 | Thrae | In both PvP and PvE with Dire Bear Form, I find +100% chance to get +5 Rage more useful then extra combo points |
| 02:52.47 | Legorol | can i brag about ZF a bit? |
| 02:52.48 | Thrae | clad|sleep: I forget the name, it's the Bear Crit one |
| 02:52.52 | clad|sleep | yes, |
| 02:52.58 | clad|sleep | i'm a bear feral spec |
| 02:53.01 | clad|sleep | cat is wannabe rogue |
| 02:53.03 | clad|sleep | and i have a rogue =) |
| 02:53.27 | Thrae | Even with "Cat Spec", Cat Form isn't really viable except to ambush casters in PvP, and in PvE it's as powerful as it needs to be |
| 02:53.37 | Tain | That's what I'm saying! Sneak up, Sap one healer, then attack! |
| 02:54.12 | Thrae | Although in PvE, some way to reduce threat other then Cower would be nice |
| 02:54.18 | Legorol | hmm, i need to find Light's Hope Chapel in EPL |
| 02:54.26 | Tain | Go East young man |
| 02:54.26 | Legorol | not going to be fun with these lvl 58 mobs on my neck |
| 02:54.33 | Thrae | But it's easy enough to code something like FeralSkills in a macro for Cower |
| 02:54.34 | Legorol | no spoilers please |
| 02:54.40 | Legorol | i am just monolouging |
| 02:54.40 | Tain | Oh wait I'm thinking the wrong zone anyway |
| 02:54.49 | Tain | haha so my advice was wrong |
| 02:55.14 | Legorol | i'm heading east anyway |
| 02:55.26 | Legorol | going north turned out to be a bad idea, with gates coming down in Stratholme |
| 02:55.58 | Thrae | FeralSkills is one of those mods that explains why I'm trying to make a simple embeddable lib for making options frames...about 80% of the code is just for non-Khaos and Khaos options |
| 02:56.48 | Thrae | It's not very poorly coded, it just likes to have a lot of options. |
| 02:57.06 | Legorol | Thrae: have you tried MCom? |
| 02:57.13 | Legorol | definitely embeddable |
| 02:57.33 | Legorol | gives you simple option GUI |
| 03:01.28 | Thrae | Legorol: MCom gives a chat handler and wraps around different GUI handlers, but doesn't provide one. What it does provide is a GUI interface to the chat commands. Ace already gives me that ;) |
| 03:01.57 | Legorol | Thrae, it does |
| 03:02.02 | Legorol | oh right |
| 03:02.13 | Legorol | well the GUI interface does let you change options |
| 03:02.58 | Thrae | Yeah, there's a mod called AceCommander which gives you something similiar to MCom for Ace slash commands and people still want a real GUI. |
| 03:03.36 | Thrae | s/similiar to MCom/similiar to MCom's "GUI"/. |
| 03:04.10 | Legorol | i see |
| 03:04.22 | Tain | Down with GUI! |
| 03:05.19 | Thrae | Tain's claim to fame is a mod that can modify pretty much any aspect of GUIs, even though it has an optional barebones GUI itself ;) |
| 03:05.47 | Legorol | 620 discovery XP |
| 03:05.49 | Legorol | sweet |
| 03:05.51 | Tain | Hey I did VisorGUI to learn myself some WoW XML GUI. |
| 03:05.58 | Tain | And I learned I hate it. |
| 03:06.16 | Thrae | I hate XML too. I like Lua. |
| 03:06.17 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 03:07.12 | AnduinLothar | i like gui, if only because if you try hard enough you can make it does almost anyhting |
| 03:08.00 | Thrae | I like GUIs, I just don't like XML. But I like coding XML in Lua because I like to hurt myself. |
| 03:08.19 | AnduinLothar | almost... cause i still can't figure out my my EditBox wont take all my characters |
| 03:08.22 | Tain | It's really the XML that I personally don't like. |
| 03:08.42 | AnduinLothar | meh i started with html, xml feels like home |
| 03:09.35 | Thrae | I started with GWBasic with the only amount of memory you would ever need - 640K, and your code could only have 256 lines. |
| 03:10.31 | Thrae | From that, I coded an Everquest clone, except it needed 500MB of memory. |
| 03:12.13 | AnduinLothar | i've done so much xml parsing and coding over the years that it really doesn't both me at all, just another language. |
| 03:12.19 | AnduinLothar | bother* |
| 03:12.39 | Cide | I find XML to be fine.. but I write it by hand which takes forever :( |
| 03:12.49 | AnduinLothar | so do i |
| 03:12.56 | Thrae | XML is fine, I just like to abstract even further. |
| 03:12.58 | AnduinLothar | i write most everything by hand |
| 03:13.24 | AnduinLothar | true, lua xml allows you to make functions for common structures |
| 03:13.37 | AnduinLothar | that works slightly better than templates |
| 03:14.21 | AnduinLothar | but it's realy just another way of implimenting something |
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| 03:14.40 | Thrae | Yeah, if you had a good dynamic lib, you could possibly reduce your own code by as much as 50% and make it look a heck of a lot cleaner. |
| 03:14.42 | AnduinLothar | the only good thing you get with the lua is the ability to construct on demand and using logic |
| 03:15.02 | AnduinLothar | mmm code reduction i spose |
| 03:15.10 | AnduinLothar | depends on how bad your orig code was |
| 03:15.19 | Esamynn | evening all |
| 03:15.24 | AnduinLothar | every tiem you go over your own code it tends to get smaller |
| 03:15.35 | AnduinLothar | or should |
| 03:16.16 | Thrae | Well, VeryLongVariableNameFromLotsOf$parents can be a pain to whaft through, and the templates provided by blizzard don't have everything. |
| 03:16.40 | AnduinLothar | make your own template |
| 03:17.15 | Thrae | Yeah, and lots of authors would just add the functions from their own templates into their one Lua file. |
| 03:18.03 | AnduinLothar | not sure what you mean by that, but ok |
| 03:18.06 | Thrae | It depends on where you draw the line on what is clean code and what are good coding practices |
| 03:18.17 | Esamynn | the thing that bugs me about virtual templates, is that their Scripts are re-parsed each time you use them |
| 03:18.45 | Esamynn | at least in 1.10 they were, I haven't check 1.11 |
| 03:20.54 | AnduinLothar | i think it's pretty cool that almsot all the xml functionality is avail in lua now |
| 03:21.05 | AnduinLothar | says something about the coders |
| 03:21.11 | AnduinLothar | cause they don't need it |
| 03:21.17 | AnduinLothar | did it jsut for us |
| 03:22.24 | Esamynn | yes, it was very kind of them to do that for us |
| 03:22.50 | Esamynn | but then, they definately get value from having us around too :) |
| 03:29.27 | AnduinLothar | meh, need to get ym other box up.. |
| 03:29.31 | AnduinLothar | gtg |
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| 04:23.12 | Esamynn | jeez, did I scare everyone off or something? :( |
| 04:23.57 | Cide | yes. go away before you hurt my feelings too! |
| 04:24.06 | Esamynn | :'( |
| 04:24.07 | zespri_work | uhm I'm not up to date. I thought that faction repeatble quests was cloth turn ins and that's it. Now there are some commendation signets... |
| 04:24.23 | zespri_work | Do they replace the old cloth quests? |
| 04:24.23 | Esamynn | those are from the War Effort Event |
| 04:24.26 | Esamynn | no |
| 04:24.45 | zespri_work | I thought that war efoort ended long ago? |
| 04:25.06 | zespri_work | but there are still npc that give the signets? |
| 04:25.12 | Thrae | How does this look: http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newtab7bk.jpg |
| 04:25.19 | Kirov | Cide, you still here? |
| 04:25.23 | Cide | Kirov: yep |
| 04:25.24 | Thrae | Should I have some textures behind those tab buttons? |
| 04:25.38 | Kirov | Was the only change from 1.537 to 1.538 the Tab thing? |
| 04:25.45 | Kirov | (and actually updating the version number) |
| 04:27.41 | Esamynn | heck no, there are all sorts of invisible changes ;) |
| 04:28.11 | Esamynn | Cide is so good, their even invisible when you compare the code! :D |
| 04:28.23 | Esamynn | s/their/they're/ |
| 04:28.30 | Cide | Kirov: yes |
| 04:28.43 | Cide | which fixed a 'major bug' |
| 04:28.58 | Cide | Esamynn: sorry, I was busy dying in WoW :) |
| 04:29.06 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:29.27 | Cide | and I blamed the reason for dying on 'replying on IRC' |
| 04:29.37 | Esamynn | dying hurts (and is expensive), you shouldn't do it |
| 04:29.44 | Thrae | I use a separate computer and run irssi in screen ;) |
| 04:29.53 | Cide | I use two monitors |
| 04:29.58 | Cide | but apparently I fail at multi-tasking |
| 04:30.25 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap Cide |
| 04:30.27 | purl | ACTION slaps Cide around with a wheel of texas goat cheese |
| 04:31.19 | Shadowed | It's easier to talk and die if you alt tab between both instead of two monitors |
| 04:31.35 | Kirov | Cide - what'd it fix? |
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| 04:32.08 | Cide | I added a __newindex which didn't call rawset().. which fucked up a bunch of things for some reason |
| 04:32.17 | Kirov | ah |
| 04:39.09 | Ktron | damn, BDF is loot-bugged |
| 04:39.18 | End | hrmph |
| 04:39.29 | End | my ctraid is suddenly acting all messed up |
| 04:39.31 | Ktron | I've had to relog 3 times after getting stuck looting invasion mobs |
| 04:39.45 | End | actually, my entire ui suddenly started acting up |
| 04:41.44 | Cide | End: do you have 1.538? |
| 04:42.15 | Kirov | I've seen some weird things happen with my UI, as well as my girlfriend's using 1.537, they seem to have stopped with this version. |
| 04:42.22 | Kirov | So, it makes sense |
| 04:42.24 | Cide | yep |
| 04:42.31 | Cide | it was doing all sorts of stuff |
| 04:43.34 | Esamynn | i'm still working with 1.535 |
| 04:43.59 | End | Cide: probably not..... |
| 04:44.18 | Cide | 537? |
| 04:44.21 | End | probably |
| 04:44.34 | End | nope |
| 04:44.36 | End | 536 |
| 04:44.50 | End | I'll update though |
| 04:45.16 | End | something is -really- screwy though |
| 04:45.25 | End | my entire ui is suddenly borked |
| 04:45.33 | Cide | should try 1.538 |
| 04:45.38 | End | yeah, downloading now |
| 04:46.02 | End | the fade stuff is throwing mega errors |
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| 04:46.54 | Kirov | Like "can't find ParentUI.StartFading" |
| 04:46.55 | End | and...time to restart |
| 04:47.04 | Cide | did you get 1.536 from our low-bw site this patch? |
| 04:47.11 | End | Cide: yes |
| 04:47.18 | Cide | ok, updating should fix it, then |
| 04:47.24 | End | ook |
| 04:47.29 | Kirov | It's probably 1.537 then masquading as 1.536 |
| 04:47.34 | Kirov | (sp?) |
| 04:47.35 | End | (what sort of problem does it have!?) |
| 04:48.00 | Cide | (06:32:07) (Cide) I added a __newindex which didn't call rawset().. which fucked up a bunch of things for some reason |
| 04:48.05 | End | ooooh |
| 04:48.10 | End | and I see a Update 2: A major bug has been fixed in CT_RaidAssist. You can get the fixed version by downloading v1.538 below. |
| 04:48.20 | Cide | yup |
| 04:48.27 | End | that's a bad problem though :P |
| 04:49.14 | Shadowed | Did anything change in ColorPickerFrame or with buttons that would prevent being able to pass a value? |
| 04:49.31 | Shadowed | Getting an odd issue where I can't pass some stuff for the UI which worked fine on test a week ago :/ |
| 04:54.41 | End | ok, so you can't get darnassus one without aggroing guards unless maybe you time it right |
| 04:55.06 | End | (talking about the fire stuff) |
| 04:55.19 | Legorol | figured |
| 04:55.28 | Legorol | as a Gnome, i dont have that issue :p |
| 04:55.55 | JoshBorke | ( End ): really? which guards? |
| 04:56.01 | End | the patroling ones |
| 04:56.15 | JoshBorke | didn't realize they patrolled rutheran :D |
| 04:56.16 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 04:56.20 | JoshBorke | man, i never get out... |
| 04:56.43 | End | uh oh |
| 04:56.50 | End | who do you turn the quests into? |
| 04:56.56 | JoshBorke | back in your city |
| 04:57.00 | End | oh |
| 04:57.04 | End | whew |
| 04:57.09 | JoshBorke | lol, i read that too |
| 04:57.16 | End | for a second, I was afraid it was to the ones I stole it from |
| 04:57.21 | JoshBorke | i was like, what, i have to turn the undercity flame into the undercity guy/! |
| 04:58.34 | End | well, I left already |
| 04:58.40 | End | so it would have sucked |
| 05:07.49 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=401137 sigh |
| 05:08.33 | Kebinusan | heh |
| 05:08.44 | Kebinusan | direct him to the lfg channel |
| 05:09.41 | Kebinusan | well the twin emps teleport seems have definately received an adjustment |
| 05:10.09 | dukeku | the prey demo is so damn awesome :( |
| 05:11.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | ace hasn't been updated yet, has it? |
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| 05:18.55 | Kaelten | nasty netsplit |
| 05:20.12 | zespri_work | wha? |
| 05:20.17 | zespri_work | from patch notes: |
| 05:20.18 | zespri_work | Fire Nova Totem: This totem now receives increased healing from effects that increase the Shaman's spell damage. |
| 05:20.36 | zespri_work | what increased healing???? |
| 05:20.52 | zespri_work | can you heal a totem? |
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| 05:22.03 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:22.44 | zespri_work | I'm not kidding, check for yourself! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patchnotes.html |
| 05:22.59 | Esamynn | oh, I believe you |
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| 05:27.24 | Esamynn | this is an outrage!!! I demand reperassions for my TIME!!! ;) |
| 05:27.52 | Esamynn | ok fine, so I'm not funny |
| 05:35.13 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 05:36.50 | Kaelten | gnight Esamynn |
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| 05:39.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | BAM SERVER ASPLODE |
| 05:40.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | Kael, are you the author of Ace? |
| 05:40.38 | zinor | yes |
| 05:40.40 | zinor | he is |
| 05:41.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | is 1.3.1 still the latest version? |
| 05:41.15 | Cairenn | yes |
| 05:42.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay, what i thought, kinda hard to search for just "ace" on wowinterface, and sometimes authors like to randomly make new entries, like "ace" being 1.3.1 and "Ace 1.3.2" being all the later versions |
| 05:43.03 | Cairenn | Go to the Ace Cagetory, go to Ace Core. That's the most recent, completely official, version |
| 05:43.10 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat84.html |
| 05:43.59 | Kaelten | Mr_Rabies2: I'm the project lead. |
| 05:44.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just went to the main page and clicked on "most downloaded" "ace" |
| 05:44.52 | Kaelten | thats the one |
| 05:44.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | but some authors are crazy with the version naming so i never know :P |
| 05:45.02 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 05:47.33 | Kaelten | Cairenn: I'm not crazy am I? |
| 05:47.58 | Cairenn | ummmm ..... |
| 05:48.27 | Depherios | anybody here know how processor/vidcard intensive desaturating a texture is? XD |
| 05:48.29 | Cairenn | shall I be kind, or truthful? |
| 05:48.35 | Kaelten | meet in the middle? |
| 05:48.37 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:49.37 | Cairenn | you're no more crazy than most of the rest of us |
| 05:49.51 | Tain | Crazy is as crazy does. |
| 05:50.00 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 05:53.30 | Ktron | Woot! |
| 05:53.39 | Ktron | Cairenn, get ready, I'm going to release my first public Addon :) |
| 05:53.57 | Ktron | And no, it doesn't have a command built in so I can make horde users strip or anything like that ;) |
| 05:53.59 | Cairenn | Woot! |
| 05:54.53 | Ktron | I figure I'll release it now that it works, and I can work on tweaking/simplicity/efficency for the next version |
| 05:55.04 | Dolby-wowi | oops |
| 05:55.07 | Ktron | oh, I'll tell you when I'm there |
| 05:55.08 | Ktron | lol |
| 05:55.13 | Cairenn | ROFL Dolby-wowi |
| 05:55.43 | Dolby-wowi | sorry 12hr server maintance |
| 05:55.54 | Cairenn | ~lart Dolby-wowi |
| 05:56.12 | Dolby-wowi | owww |
| 05:56.34 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 05:56.41 | Ktron | toc # is 11100 right? (before I do something stupid) |
| 05:57.20 | Dolby-wowi | yes 11100 |
| 05:57.37 | Cairenn | aye |
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| 05:57.59 | Kaelten | hi wobin |
| 05:58.10 | Wobin | heya kael |
| 05:58.15 | Cairenn | yo Wobin |
| 05:58.20 | Wobin | urro Cair |
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| 05:59.36 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 05:59.50 | s|loup | hey |
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| 06:04.27 | Mikk1 | roflcopter. gogo patch download the day after. i'm flooring out my 8mbps connection =) |
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| 06:05.10 | Kaelten_ | damn compt froze |
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| 06:09.59 | Kaelten | alright guys I gotta get some sleep |
| 06:10.03 | Kaelten | state sane and safe |
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| 06:19.21 | Tem | a;lskf;als;fasdjfkj |
| 06:19.38 | Tem | we've gotten 3 Betrayer's boots drops |
| 06:19.44 | Tem | 2 went to fucking priests |
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| 06:20.45 | Shadowed | don't look like bad priest boots |
| 06:20.57 | Ktron | Cairenn, I think I have submitted it |
| 06:21.23 | Ktron | or Dolby-wowi or whomever is feeling like it :) |
| 06:21.49 | Cairenn | Indeed you have and it has been approved |
| 06:21.52 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5081-LFGRelevance.html |
| 06:22.16 | Ktron | Woot |
| 06:22.46 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:23.14 | Ktron | Hopefully some people will poke it over and we'll see if people use it |
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| 06:29.18 | Depherios | add LF*M by default |
| 06:29.33 | Depherios | my server (and others) are addicted to LF1M LF2M and whatnot |
| 06:29.47 | Ktron | what do you mean? it currently knows to ignore LF*M where * is any number of digits or nothing |
| 06:29.54 | Depherios | oh |
| 06:29.55 | Depherios | okay |
| 06:30.21 | Depherios | you didn't specify XD and the old CTA didn't do them, so I wanted to make sure :D |
| 06:30.43 | Ktron | Call To Arms? |
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| 06:30.46 | Depherios | yeah |
| 06:30.53 | Depherios | new ones do, old ones didn't |
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| 06:41.26 | Mikk1 | Blah |
| 06:41.31 | Mikk1 | That's what I get for downloading too fast |
| 06:41.42 | Mikk1 | My nic kept freezing on some block |
| 06:41.50 | Mikk1 | Had to switch to my trusty old 100mbit 3com |
| 06:43.03 | Ktron | Mikk1, I got the addon finished |
| 06:49.25 | Ktron | Awesome, makes me happy... time to sleep, we'll see what tomorrow brings for LFGR |
| 06:49.28 | Ktron | g'night |
| 06:56.08 | Wobin | What's the R stand for? |
| 07:01.02 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5081-LFGRelevance.html |
| 07:35.34 | Wobin | Aha Relevance |
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| 08:14.05 | Maldivia | Good news everyone: http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/back_to_the_futurama_entertainment_don_kaplan.htm |
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| 08:48.28 | AnduinLothar | heh, good times in wsg: http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/a6f7a134a3.jpg |
| 08:48.50 | AnduinLothar | every one of those people that dropped the flag did so by dying |
| 08:51.15 | Shadowed | good times |
| 08:52.29 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, this Adapt addon is kinda cool |
| 08:52.39 | AnduinLothar | I might have to yoink it for Arch |
| 08:52.49 | AnduinLothar | optional of course |
| 08:53.06 | AnduinLothar | just simple animated frames |
| 08:54.30 | MoonWolf | AnduinLothar, talk about a a quick on the draw team when it comes to picking up flags. |
| 08:55.16 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 08:55.32 | AnduinLothar | yeah, usually doesn't make it that far |
| 08:55.49 | AnduinLothar | the funny part is that jenri had time to kill the flag carrier and still make the score |
| 08:56.15 | Shadowed | I'm not really sure how you managed to make it happen that many times though |
| 08:56.16 | AnduinLothar | and he's a rogue |
| 08:56.22 | Shadowed | Horde would have had to not be paying attention or something |
| 08:56.28 | AnduinLothar | no idea |
| 08:56.45 | Shadowed | I mean i've seen crappy Horde/Alliance before, but wow.. |
| 08:57.02 | AnduinLothar | we were dying really fast thos so it wasn't like they sucked |
| 08:57.32 | AnduinLothar | they just sucked at picking up the flag, or kept getting stunned at the exact time or something |
| 08:57.42 | Shadowed | spamming right click should be the first thing they learn before they PVP! |
| 08:57.53 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i dunno |
| 08:58.34 | AnduinLothar | most of the time in wsg i can make it all the way myself |
| 08:58.46 | Shadowed | blasted paladin hacks |
| 08:59.06 | AnduinLothar | slap on a shield and a fast weapon, hammer or justice, repentance, freedom, seal of justice.. |
| 08:59.12 | AnduinLothar | cleanse |
| 08:59.26 | AnduinLothar | pvp trinket |
| 08:59.49 | Shadowed | PVP Trinket, fear, piercing howl, grenades + swiftness pot are always fun too |
| 08:59.51 | AnduinLothar | the only thing that would be more hax would be if we had blink |
| 08:59.56 | zespri|home | just respeced my shammy, why the hell Nature's Swiftenss doesn't show how long cooldown remaining? |
| 09:00.01 | AnduinLothar | yeah i have swift pots |
| 09:00.35 | Shadowed | Blizzard feels that if you know the cooldown you can estimate it to well, so to balance it you have to just kind of click it and hope for the best |
| 09:00.45 | zespri | lol |
| 09:01.15 | zespri | you can't be serious |
| 09:01.21 | Shadowed | rarely am! |
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| 09:33.21 | zespri | UIERRORS_HOLD_TIME suddenly disappeared |
| 09:36.30 | AnduinLothar | how long does it hold? |
| 09:36.37 | AnduinLothar | or you mean the global |
| 09:37.01 | zespri | the global |
| 09:37.24 | zespri | just some addon is broken because it uses this global and it's not there anymore |
| 09:40.05 | Shadowed | Hmm. Has PlayMusic/PlaySoundFile magically stopped working, or did something change? |
| 09:40.37 | AnduinLothar | i haven't tested in 1.11 but i'd guess you're halucinatinbg |
| 09:40.43 | Shadowed | Odd |
| 09:41.10 | zespri | PlaysoundFile is a known issue |
| 09:41.13 | Shadowed | ? |
| 09:41.15 | Shadowed | Oh? |
| 09:41.17 | zespri | there is a soluken post about it |
| 09:41.31 | Shadowed | ah havn't been paying close attention to UI forums the past few days |
| 09:41.42 | zespri | it will be fixed in 1.12 |
| 09:42.00 | Shadowed | He says 1.11.1 |
| 09:42.11 | zespri | w/e =) |
| 09:42.15 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 09:42.24 | Shadowed | I guess they broke PlayMusic too then |
| 09:42.38 | AnduinLothar | ya my soundtrack isn't working |
| 09:42.51 | Shadowed | So i'm not halucinating! |
| 09:43.04 | AnduinLothar | you may still be hallucinating |
| 09:43.11 | AnduinLothar | we haven't ruled that out yet |
| 09:43.17 | Shadowed | It's 2:45 AM, so thats possible |
| 09:43.21 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 09:43.43 | AnduinLothar | and i became crazy and am recoding apb into dynamic frames |
| 09:44.30 | AnduinLothar | now that we have inheritance :) |
| 09:44.49 | AnduinLothar | otherwise TextStatusBar woulda been a bitch |
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| 09:48.02 | AnduinLothar | now how in the world do i impliment BarTexture |
| 09:48.36 | AnduinLothar | :D StatusBar:SetStatusBarTexture |
| 09:48.43 | Shadowed | Alright, well while you're figuring that out I think i'll head to sleep so I don't have to figure out why I did something in a couple of hours. |
| 09:49.05 | AnduinLothar | O>.<o |
| 09:49.22 | Maldivia | hm... anyone have a big club or something, I have 7 people I want to smack very very very hard... |
| 09:50.40 | Wobin | If you get all of them together and make a charter, you could have a small club |
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| 09:52.04 | Kaso | So does anyone know if that ... bug has been narrowed down yet? |
| 09:53.14 | AnduinLothar | what bug |
| 09:54.31 | Kaso | Well basically various fontstrings are appearing as ... instead of whatever they thought it was, Orginally We thought it was Clearfont but it appears to be happening to alot of people with lots of mods |
| 09:54.44 | AnduinLothar | yes, that's due to a config.wtf change |
| 09:54.53 | AnduinLothar | something like uiscale |
| 09:55.17 | AnduinLothar | just delete all the lines in the config that say scale |
| 09:55.25 | AnduinLothar | and readjust in game |
| 09:55.30 | Kaso | intersting, thanks |
| 10:02.57 | Maldivia | Wobin: club, as in the blunt weapon... |
| 10:03.43 | Wobin | yes I know |
| 10:03.47 | Wobin | I was being facetious |
| 10:04.31 | AnduinLothar | how do i specify whay layer a FOntString is in in lua? |
| 10:09.41 | Maldivia | Wobin: have you figured out which 7 I'm talking about then ? |
| 10:09.54 | Wobin | No =) |
| 10:10.11 | Maldivia | check the 1.12 sticky |
| 10:10.17 | Wobin | hm okies |
| 10:12.16 | Wobin | heh |
| 10:12.19 | Wobin | intelligence |
| 10:12.24 | Wobin | Such a rare commodity |
| 10:13.41 | Maldivia | there should be an intelligence test, before allowing people to post in certain threads |
| 10:26.27 | AnduinLothar | so how do i create a fontstring? |
| 10:26.41 | AnduinLothar | CreatFrame("FontString" doesn't work |
| 10:28.46 | AnduinLothar | O.o CreateFontString |
| 10:29.12 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 10:29.57 | AnduinLothar | so hard to find... cause it's parent:CreateFontString |
| 10:29.57 | AnduinLothar | and not CreateFrame("FontString", name, parent) liek it should be.. |
| 10:30.03 | Mikk1 | A fontstring isn't a frame |
| 10:30.12 | AnduinLothar | blah blah blah |
| 10:30.14 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 10:30.35 | Mikk1 | Plus they don't have frames as parents. They live in layers. |
| 10:30.36 | Mikk1 | etc =) |
| 10:36.17 | AnduinLothar | if i CreateFrame it defaults to shown like xml right? |
| 10:42.40 | Mikk1 | no |
| 10:42.43 | Mikk1 | hidden |
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| 11:11.42 | Maldivia | the bug with the new buttons are starting to annoy me... |
| 11:12.18 | Maldivia | or rather, the compatability issue from 1.10 to 1.11, even though it was listed otherwise |
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| 11:19.47 | zespri | US is not good |
| 11:19.54 | zespri | or my connection is not good |
| 11:22.24 | zespri | is ungoro flight path alliance only? |
| 11:22.53 | wereHamster | there is a new FP? |
| 11:23.39 | AnduinLothar | ungoro |
| 11:23.45 | zespri | according to patch notes |
| 11:23.51 | zespri | ungoro and barrens |
| 11:29.42 | fatbrain | What cast-bar replacement mod would you recommend? |
| 11:29.48 | AnduinLothar | so she came to the computer to report that she was still in fact not at the computer, but no longer sleeping.. |
| 11:30.17 | AnduinLothar | I use ArcaneBar... but then I was the one who requisitioned it made |
| 11:31.47 | fatbrain | checking it out |
| 11:32.17 | wereHamster | fatbrain, this http://www.dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/objection.png - it's the green bar ;) |
| 11:32.57 | Maldivia | zespri: it's the same npc for both horde and alliance - a cartel factioned npc |
| 11:33.07 | fatbrain | hm, I would like something that mach |
| 11:33.11 | fatbrain | match* |
| 11:33.11 | fatbrain | 2sec |
| 11:33.13 | zespri | maldivia thanks |
| 11:34.27 | Maldivia | fatbrain: personally, I like eCastingBar as a casting bar replacement |
| 11:34.34 | fatbrain | http://www.fatbrain.org/WoWScrnShot_062206_224741.png ( sorry for the stupid resolution, and file-size ) |
| 11:35.11 | fatbrain | That's what I have now, eCastingBar, but I don't like it. |
| 11:35.48 | Maldivia | I like that you can customize the size, position and texture |
| 11:36.04 | fatbrain | of the eCastingBar? |
| 11:36.12 | clad|sleep | I'd look at Otravi_CastingBar |
| 11:36.20 | clad|sleep | its the same style, customixzation as ECastingBar |
| 11:36.23 | fatbrain | font-size doesn't go below 12 :( |
| 11:36.25 | fatbrain | ok |
| 11:36.43 | clad|work | morning everything |
| 11:36.45 | clad|work | see you later |
| 11:36.53 | Maldivia | fatbrain_ then change the lua/xml file, and add an extra entry :) |
| 11:37.22 | fatbrain | Maldivia: yes, but I'm too lazy for that :P |
| 11:37.24 | Maldivia | morning clad :) |
| 11:37.32 | Maldivia | fatbrain: it takes 2 minutes :) |
| 11:41.24 | fatbrain | I like the otravi |
| 11:53.27 | wereHamster | this looks interesting: http://www.dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/WoWScrnShot_062306_135805.png |
| 11:54.20 | MoonWolf | bug |
| 11:54.26 | MoonWolf | i think |
| 11:54.57 | Maldivia | probably had the mark of frost debuff, and got too close to him ? |
| 11:54.59 | Maldivia | while mounted |
| 11:57.01 | MoonWolf | could be |
| 11:57.23 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 12:28.57 | AnduinLothar | i am so in the wrong timezone.. |
| 12:29.22 | AnduinLothar | i'm sleeping lik 7am - 3pm |
| 12:30.16 | JoshBorke | lol anduin |
| 12:34.46 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:34.59 | Kalroth | I remember my college days, they were just like that |
| 12:35.13 | Kalroth | especially since Ultima Online servers ran best during the night :P |
| 12:46.04 | AnduinLothar | love that feeling when you find out you abstracted your code enough that making it do something else is super easy |
| 12:50.24 | AnduinLothar | so, you know what really screws up mods... |
| 12:51.29 | AnduinLothar | There's a pair in my guild, both hunters. One's named "Bawb" with a pet "Gnawbert". And the other is named "Gnawbert" with the pet "Bawb". |
| 12:51.56 | AnduinLothar | and let me tell you... put those in a raid and weird things start happening |
| 12:52.03 | s|loup | lol |
| 12:52.07 | AnduinLothar | like cyclic auto-buffing |
| 12:54.08 | Kirkburn | Flowers ordered :) |
| 12:57.32 | End | AnduinLothar: at least you can test that sort of situation first hand :P |
| 12:57.32 | MoonWolf | AnduinLothar, both the same race too ? |
| 12:57.44 | AnduinLothar | no, thankfully |
| 12:58.09 | AnduinLothar | night elf male and female dwarf |
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| 12:58.23 | MoonWolf | someone heal gnawbert, NO DONT HEAL THE PET |
| 12:58.25 | MoonWolf | damnit! |
| 12:58.34 | End | haha |
| 12:58.40 | AnduinLothar | yeah target by name goes foobar |
| 12:58.52 | AnduinLothar | buffing... healing.. |
| 12:58.56 | AnduinLothar | boom! |
| 12:59.17 | AnduinLothar | good luck buffing the pet might and the hunter wis.. |
| 12:59.48 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 13:08.43 | Wobin | I think for cases like that, if they don't get healed, it's their fault =) |
| 13:09.23 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i tend to agree |
| 13:09.45 | AnduinLothar | I'm like, "No, you don't get to complain about having the wrong buff" |
| 13:10.08 | Wobin | I gave the right buff to Gnawbert! |
| 13:10.24 | s|loup | can i use a functionname as a param to call it in the function with the param? |
| 13:10.36 | Wobin | generally yes |
| 13:10.44 | Wobin | since functions are first class objects in lua |
| 13:10.54 | s|loup | like CallMe(this:Hide) and in CallMe(func) func(); end |
| 13:11.09 | AnduinLothar | well i got APB workign for raid members... |
| 13:11.18 | AnduinLothar | it's not all pretty yet tho |
| 13:11.20 | Wobin | the first may or may not work |
| 13:11.43 | s|loup | the first is the call of the second function ;) |
| 13:11.45 | AnduinLothar | function() this:Hide() end |
| 13:12.14 | Wobin | You may have to pass in objects like 'this' separately |
| 13:12.38 | s|loup | no the second should execute the function without knowledge about the function |
| 13:12.53 | s|loup | just the param as name and call it like a function |
| 13:12.56 | Wobin | yes |
| 13:13.05 | Wobin | but this:Hide() isn't |
| 13:13.25 | Wobin | that would put in the return to this:Hide() |
| 13:13.26 | End | this:Hide() is the same as this.Hide(this) |
| 13:13.37 | wereHamster | this:Func can be only used when calling the function, not when using it as a variable |
| 13:14.05 | Wobin | You could do ( Hide, this) maybe and tie them together in the function |
| 13:14.07 | End | yeah, you need to give it the function -and- the first arg somehow |
| 13:14.08 | s|loup | so i should use this.func? |
| 13:14.51 | Wobin | and pass in this |
| 13:14.58 | Wobin | so you can then do this.func(this) |
| 13:15.31 | wereHamster | or the anonymous function: CallMe(function () this:Hide end) |
| 13:15.43 | wereHamster | s/Hide/Hide()/ |
| 13:18.08 | Wobin | and now I have the Blondie song stuck in my head |
| 13:18.32 | AnduinLothar | like i said.. |
| 13:19.00 | s|loup | omg pastebin is lame |
| 13:19.13 | Wobin | yay closures =P |
| 13:19.51 | SinePi | ooo, another undocumented change. "You receive loot: [Used condom]x2." |
| 13:20.02 | End | they added used condoms? |
| 13:20.03 | SinePi | x2. I longed for that. |
| 13:20.36 | SinePi | End: no, that'd mean they are mature developers, and we all know they're not. |
| 13:20.41 | End | heh |
| 13:20.45 | SinePi | but the loot counts are a nice touch which I missed. |
| 13:23.25 | s|loup | so pastebin doesn work i hope i can post it here ;) |
| 13:23.39 | s|loup | function CallMe(func) func() end |
| 13:24.00 | s|loup | function Anything1() CallMe(MyFrame:Hide); end |
| 13:24.17 | s|loup | function Anything2() CallMe(Anything1); end |
| 13:24.23 | s|loup | so should this work? |
| 13:25.40 | Ktron|zzz | s|loup, there's always pastecode: http://wow.pastecode.com/ , and unfortunately, I'm not sure about your cde |
| 13:25.44 | Ktron|zzz | s/cde/code |
| 13:26.34 | wereHamster | SinePi, that change was documented ;) |
| 13:26.52 | SinePi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.56 | SinePi | blind, too. |
| 13:27.13 | wereHamster | s|loup, 'this:Func' gives you a syntax error |
| 13:27.22 | wereHamster | err.. 'MyFrame:Hide' |
| 13:27.46 | s|loup | so i should use MyFrame.Hide ? |
| 13:28.32 | s|loup | http://wow.pastecode.com/614 |
| 13:28.43 | wereHamster | if you don't care about 'self' in MyFrame:Hide(), you can use that |
| 13:29.29 | s|loup | no in my case i will call it from another element |
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| 13:39.49 | Cide | hi |
| 13:39.59 | s|loup | hi |
| 13:40.08 | JoshBorke | hi cide |
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| 13:42.10 | Cide | hi |
| 13:42.25 | Beladona | alo |
| 13:42.27 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Beladona -> Mod Dev Discussions - Patch 1.11 is live, the new TOC is 11100 |
| 13:42.34 | End | moo |
| 13:42.53 | JoshBorke | oink |
| 13:42.57 | End | ojnk |
| 13:45.14 | Wobin | Scandanavian pig? |
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| 13:45.40 | End | sure |
| 13:45.45 | End | why not |
| 13:46.57 | Kirkburn | Just looking at the Dell website (as one does), their prices are amazing. I thought they were good when I got this laptop last year - now for the same price I could get something that pretty much the top of the range :/ |
| 13:48.10 | Kirkburn | noooooo :( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5109342.stm |
| 13:48.39 | Kaso | the problem with dells in my opinion is they have too much proprietary stuff in them which is a pain if you ever plan to upgrade |
| 13:48.50 | Wobin | upgrade? |
| 13:48.53 | Wobin | A laptop? |
| 13:48.58 | Wobin | What is this nonsense you speak? |
| 13:49.09 | Kaso | oh, didnt see the laptop bit |
| 13:49.13 | Kaso | was talkin in general. |
| 13:49.17 | Wobin | You don't upgrade laptops =) |
| 13:49.20 | Ktron|zzz | The problem with dells is the parts that people don't think about they use crappy crappy parts |
| 13:49.23 | Wobin | You buy new ones =( |
| 13:49.26 | End | lies...you..upgrade...the...hard drive |
| 13:49.37 | Wobin | End: only when you buy it |
| 13:49.56 | Kaso | Alienware did a laptop that had a full replacable agp card in it didnt they? |
| 13:49.58 | Wobin | Cause it's too much trouble to try and transfer all the old data to a new HD |
| 13:50.09 | End | Wobin: it's worse than that |
| 13:50.12 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 13:50.20 | Kirkburn | You can upgrade laptops |
| 13:50.30 | Kirkburn | Just not all of it, or far |
| 13:50.32 | Wobin | for more than the cost of a new one =P |
| 13:50.47 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 13:50.51 | End | you'd have to buy a new copy of windows, or order the hard drive from Dell to replace a hard drive in a Dell laptop |
| 13:50.55 | Kirkburn | I keep forgetting to buy that extra stick of RAM |
| 13:51.28 | Kirkburn | I've 'only' got 1gig, I think an extra 512 would really help |
| 13:51.32 | Ktron|zzz | In my experience, with things like power supplies, motherboards, sometimes even memory, Dell finds the lowest priced thing in the world, and they usually die |
| 13:52.19 | Wobin | what a way to wake up |
| 13:52.37 | End | yeah, seriously |
| 13:52.40 | End | :O |
| 13:54.27 | Beladona | thats why you get their warranty |
| 13:54.38 | Beladona | at least in an enterprise, parts go out, you get new |
| 13:54.46 | Beladona | form them, rather than buying it |
| 13:54.49 | Beladona | from* |
| 13:54.51 | Kirkburn | of all the possible times for the dell website to have a problem, it's now |
| 13:54.54 | Ktron | heh, if you haven't roared recently, I highly recommend it... You should do it loud enough that you have to be both standing and throw yourself into it some... Pull your arms back and throw your head back a little, and let the world know that you are a force of the universe, brutally strong and ready to put in line all that are worked than you |
| 13:55.18 | Ktron | s/worked/weaker/ |
| 13:55.40 | Kirkburn | I need to get my DVD drive fixed as soon as I get home |
| 13:55.59 | Beladona | I like Dell's enterprise division better than most companies, but I do see where their home side might be less than satisfactory |
| 13:56.00 | Ktron | I suppose warranties help, but who really wants to deal with a computer that's going to die at least once during the warranty? |
| 13:56.20 | Beladona | that seems like an exaggeration to me |
| 13:56.33 | Beladona | I have tons of dell systems here at work, and they don't die that often |
| 13:56.42 | Beladona | and we use them 5 days a weak, 8 hours a day |
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| 13:57.01 | Ktron | I helped out a computer lab, he got ~30 dells... we replaced at least 1 week, and I think the record was that 5 died in one week |
| 13:57.03 | Kirkburn | Dell are good computers, y'know |
| 13:57.08 | Beladona | but then I keep up on them |
| 13:57.16 | Beladona | regular maintenance, etc... goes a long way |
| 13:57.22 | Kirkburn | All computers have their problems, Dell aren't worse |
| 13:57.31 | Beladona | exactly |
| 13:57.38 | Beladona | a LOT of it is usage, and maintenance |
| 13:57.51 | Ktron | It was usually their mobos, but a fair number were power supplies and at least one memory |
| 13:58.06 | Kirkburn | Annoying :/ |
| 13:58.12 | Beladona | lets put it this way |
| 13:58.36 | Beladona | I see MAYBE one psu per year go out |
| 13:58.47 | Beladona | and maybe 3 hard drives |
| 13:58.48 | Ktron | Well, these starting dying almost immediately after they were setup, and granted, they were used heavily from probably 7:30am until 5:30pm every weekday |
| 13:58.57 | Kirkburn | All the parts in my laptop are named brand afaik, Sony DVD drive, WD hdd, Dell monitor (yes, well, Dell monitors are some of the best) |
| 13:58.58 | Beladona | and they are typically systems that have been in rotation at least 2+ years |
| 13:59.19 | Beladona | at that point you tend to be looking for new ones anyway |
| 13:59.20 | Kirkburn | Hmm, sounds like a bad batch |
| 13:59.23 | Ktron | Maybe we just got a bad batch |
| 13:59.37 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 13:59.42 | Ktron | yep |
| 13:59.50 | Kirkburn | Did you just copy me? :P |
| 14:00.15 | End | we have a guy at work with a dell laptop where the only thing he hasn't had to get replaced is probably the case and the keyboard/touchpad |
| 14:00.15 | Beladona | he has a telepathic connection with your typing hand |
| 14:00.43 | Beladona | laptops are a different beast |
| 14:00.43 | Kirkburn | Okay, nothing is as bad as the state I got my Evesham in |
| 14:00.52 | Beladona | people take them out of office. And that risks more injury |
| 14:00.52 | End | yeah, they are |
| 14:00.53 | Ktron | No, no, just a hair behind :)... Either way, that made me nervous of Dell, but I can build my own anyway, so I just pick all my parts and build them myself |
| 14:00.58 | Kirkburn | When it arrived the CPU fan *wasn't plugged in* |
| 14:01.04 | Kirkburn | And neither was the DVD drive |
| 14:01.10 | End | and most of the replacements were while it was under warranty anyways :P |
| 14:01.17 | Beladona | most of my people don't understand leaving a laptop in the car with the windows closed in florida during the summer might not be good for the parts' shelf life |
| 14:01.32 | Kirkburn | Can you imagine what would have happened had I not had some computer guys at the delivery address at the time? |
| 14:01.59 | Ktron | heh |
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| 14:02.25 | Beladona | don't get me wrong. I am not so much a del fanboi that I would buy one for myself at home. I am too anal about what goes into my system that I don't trust ANYONE to build it but me |
| 14:02.32 | Beladona | but at work, I don't have time to build every system |
| 14:03.02 | End | well, I'm not fond of dell..but I am using one here at work |
| 14:03.11 | End | and I hear their monitors are great |
| 14:03.11 | Beladona | they are not perfect, sure |
| 14:03.17 | Beladona | but lets see |
| 14:03.19 | Beladona | gateway? |
| 14:03.24 | End | lol |
| 14:03.24 | Kirkburn | of all the PC companies I know, Dell is best value for money |
| 14:03.36 | Beladona | rather ram a corn cob up my ass |
| 14:03.42 | Kirkburn | (And that doesn't mean "crap") |
| 14:03.52 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:04.06 | Beladona | which ironically may be how most of their techs build systems |
| 14:04.09 | Kirkburn | Gateway gave up on Europe for ages, I think they're trying to restablish themselves |
| 14:04.12 | Beladona | (ramming corn cobs) |
| 14:04.17 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 14:04.36 | Kirkburn | (actually it was probably europe that gave up on Gateway) |
| 14:04.47 | Beladona | emachines? I would recommend those for my dog |
| 14:04.51 | Beladona | wouldn't |
| 14:05.11 | Beladona | does hp still make systems? |
| 14:05.18 | End | I think so |
| 14:05.20 | Beladona | shocking |
| 14:05.22 | Beladona | hehe |
| 14:05.24 | End | they make laptops at least |
| 14:05.35 | Beladona | they should stick to printers |
| 14:05.40 | End | heheh |
| 14:05.47 | Ratbert_CP | HP bought Compaq, and they still crank out machines... |
| 14:06.03 | Beladona | compaq, another name that makes my cockles tingle |
| 14:06.17 | End | a friend of mine bought an HP laptop, and it's a lot nicer than I expected, but I'm curious on how long it'll last |
| 14:06.48 | Kirkburn | At least most computers don't look like a cupboard now |
| 14:06.51 | Ratbert_CP | Ummm... If they're tingling, you should know that dandruff shampoo should stay *above* your beltline... |
| 14:06.57 | Beladona | I haven't tried a vaio, so I can't speak for those, but they tend to be enthusiast systems more than anything I think |
| 14:07.16 | Kirkburn | Ratbert_CP, I reckon it's his dog |
| 14:07.30 | Ratbert_CP | I have a Vaio, and I wish I'd choked up the cash for a Thinkpad... |
| 14:07.33 | Beladona | sounds like Ratbert_CP speaks from experience |
| 14:07.39 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:07.43 | Ratbert_CP | heh |
| 14:07.55 | Kirkburn | last time I saw a thinkpad I thought I was back in the 80s |
| 14:07.56 | Ratbert_CP | Same with Kirkburn... ;) |
| 14:08.12 | Beladona | IBM makes decent servers, and a few decent laptops, but I don't really like their business model |
| 14:08.13 | Kirkburn | I don't have a dog :( |
| 14:08.18 | Ratbert_CP | Have a T42 for work, and it's quite nice. |
| 14:08.28 | End | Kirkburn: that's okay, you can borrow Beladona's |
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| 14:08.43 | Beladona | actually I don't have a dog either |
| 14:08.47 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 14:08.48 | End | lol |
| 14:09.00 | Kirkburn | Who stole the dogs? |
| 14:09.04 | End | okay, so here -does- have a dog for Kirkburn to borrow? |
| 14:09.18 | Beladona | I have cats |
| 14:09.31 | Beladona | let me rephrase, my wife has cats |
| 14:09.36 | Kirkburn | I wanna cat :( |
| 14:09.37 | Beladona | I have annoyances |
| 14:09.46 | Kirkburn | Awww |
| 14:09.49 | Kirkburn | Meanie |
| 14:10.04 | Beladona | nah, I am nice to them |
| 14:10.20 | Beladona | but I don't allow them within 10 yeards of my computer |
| 14:10.22 | Kirkburn | Spot the kitten --> http://www.doublefine.com/news%20images/2006/kitten%20and%20secrets.jpg |
| 14:10.27 | Kirkburn | (that person does) |
| 14:10.31 | Kaso | One of my macros is causing and error in ChatFrame.xml even though the commands if typed in manually dont cause any problem, what the hell is going on |
| 14:10.38 | Beladona | thats a cute picture |
| 14:10.52 | Beladona | my cats don't do that though, they like to find cords to chew on |
| 14:11.00 | Beladona | unfortunately never ones with a live current =( |
| 14:11.06 | Kirkburn | I'll mention it's Tim Schafer's kitten, and hope someone knows who he is this time |
| 14:11.24 | s|loup | how old is that cat? |
| 14:11.37 | Kirkburn | in the picture? |
| 14:11.41 | s|loup | yes |
| 14:11.43 | Beladona | doesn't he make games |
| 14:11.52 | s|loup | looks like under 1 year old |
| 14:11.54 | Kirkburn | Couple of weeks I think |
| 14:12.05 | Kirkburn | Hints: Psychonauts, Monkey Island, Grim Fandango |
| 14:12.22 | Kirkburn | ^ he wrote them all |
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| 14:13.32 | Kirkburn|shower | Oh and this is his news blog ravings. He's utterly utterly insane: http://www.doublefine.com/news.htm |
| 14:14.40 | Beladona | the first person to figure out how to make a kitten never grow up, will make a fortune |
| 14:14.51 | Beladona | kittens are cute, but they don't stay that way |
| 14:20.34 | Ratbert_CP | The first time you step in a pile of cat excrement while trying to use the restroom in the middle of the night is when they stop being cute. Took me almost a month and a half to realize that I was just stepping in shower runoff... |
| 14:21.52 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Firemaw <--- is the "external links" message a result of the loot links on the bottom? |
| 14:30.00 | Kirkburn|shower | yup |
| 14:30.35 | Kirkburn|shower | Some of them are on the wiki, the tier 2 stuff I think |
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| 14:33.25 | Kirkburn|shower | loool, it's Sony-time! http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060623 |
| 14:34.16 | Ratbert_CP | Be careful, Kirkburn, you don't want to get soap in your keyboard... |
| 14:34.22 | Kirkburn|shower | Forgive for my loool |
| 14:34.42 | Kirkburn|shower | Hmm, the gremlins are stealing my words :/ |
| 14:35.08 | Kirkburn|shower | It's a waterproof laptop, silly |
| 14:37.54 | Kirkburn|shower | *mouth open* Futurama is returning!! |
| 14:38.20 | Kirkburn|shower | (http://www.gotfuturama.com/cgi-bin/Comments.cgi?action=show&NewsID=1151042327,45185&Page=1#ctop) |
| 14:38.22 | s|loup | oO |
| 14:38.35 | Beladona | my job is bad for my health |
| 14:38.55 | Beladona | I am trying to stop drinking sodas - but we keep a well stocked fridge full of free sodas - so its kinda hard.... |
| 14:39.06 | End | me too |
| 14:39.10 | End | except |
| 14:39.15 | End | I'm not trying to stop |
| 14:39.27 | End | but I probably should stop |
| 14:40.10 | Beladona | Futurama isn't really necessarily returning. Cartoon Network mentioned they were doing more, but it was like a finale thing, and they probably aren't going to continue it after the 13 |
| 14:40.23 | Beladona | but I hope so, cause I like Futurama |
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| 14:49.47 | Kaso | One of my macros is causing and error in ChatFrame.xml even though the commands if typed in manually dont cause any problem, anyone any ideas what the hell is going on |
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| 14:54.28 | Kirkburn|shower | Beladona, true. It's only 13 episodes :( However, there's also the 4 movies in the offing |
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| 14:57.09 | Kirkburn|shower | Very interesting stats: http://www.steampowered.com/stats/ep1/ |
| 14:57.53 | Kaso | that is intesting |
| 14:58.21 | Kirkburn|shower | It mentions DirectX 9.5 at the bottom, oddly |
| 14:58.35 | Kirkburn|shower | Must be what they call 9.0c |
| 15:00.43 | zenzelezz | that would be utterly stupid naming |
| 15:01.08 | zenzelezz | a .5 version change versus one that sounds like it's not even worthy of a .1 o_O |
| 15:01.25 | Kirkburn|shower | It would, but how else would you explain 43% of people using 9.5 :/ |
| 15:01.45 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying it's not correct - just that the logic behind the naming defies me :) |
| 15:01.52 | Kirkburn|shower | :P |
| 15:02.26 | Kirkburn|shower | I'm not sure why they did 9.0a, b, c ... the changes weren't that small |
| 15:03.22 | Kirkburn|shower | The core scene in Ep1 with 9.0c and HDR is absolutely mind blowing though |
| 15:03.32 | Kirkburn|shower | (core as in power core) |
| 15:10.11 | Kalroth | Wouldn't DX 9.5 be what Xbox 360 is using? Unless there aren't any Steam products for it :p |
| 15:10.56 | Ktron | I bet you're right |
| 15:11.17 | Ktron | episode 1 (what they're talking about) is an extension to/for halo 2 |
| 15:11.24 | Ktron | er, half-life 2 |
| 15:11.43 | Kalroth | It's just a guess, I got no idea if they got any Xbox 360 products, but 9.0c is still 9.0, not 9.5 ;) |
| 15:13.09 | Ktron | can you play HL2 on xbox 360? |
| 15:14.46 | Kalroth | Apparently so |
| 15:15.02 | Kalroth | http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox/1200/HalfLife-2/ |
| 15:15.10 | Kirkburn|shower | Not Ep1 though, afaik |
| 15:15.26 | Kalroth | or maybe it's just the normal xbox that's using DX 9.5? |
| 15:15.33 | Kirkburn|shower | I should kick you for mentioning Halo 2, Ktron :P |
| 15:15.46 | Ktron | lol, why? |
| 15:16.20 | Kirkburn|shower | Because it stole the sales HL2 should have got ;) |
| 15:16.38 | Kirkburn|shower | Ep1 isn't available on the Xbox, so it can't be that |
| 15:18.36 | Beladona | stats are cool |
| 15:25.56 | Kaso | I need to buy ep1 next time i have some money |
| 15:27.10 | Beladona | I was thinking about it |
| 15:27.24 | Beladona | but Titan Quest comes out next week too, and I plan on playing that |
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| 15:34.51 | Ktron | I can't figure out how to not die on this part of HL2 |
| 15:35.24 | Industrial | what part |
| 15:35.41 | Ktron | let's see... I think I'm still in Nova Prospect |
| 15:35.46 | Ktron | I'm given 3 turrets |
| 15:35.54 | Kirkburn|shower | Ooooh, THAT part |
| 15:35.56 | Ktron | and a little connector between 2 hallways |
| 15:36.03 | Kirkburn|shower | Where Alyx abandons you :P |
| 15:36.15 | Kaso | youve gotta put the turrets somewhere they cant be knocked over |
| 15:36.19 | Ktron | she says "I'll be right there, just fight 3490390293 guards first" |
| 15:36.21 | Kirkburn|shower | Okay - the soldiers do not start coming until you place the final turret |
| 15:36.31 | Kaso | then hide in one of the compartments and use your shotgun on anyone who gets near |
| 15:36.41 | End | hehe, that's what I did too |
| 15:36.46 | Kirkburn|shower | And make sure you pick up the turrets if they get knocked over |
| 15:36.46 | End | shotgun ftw |
| 15:36.48 | Industrial | sv_cheats 1;god;alias +attack_ "+attack";alias -attack_ "-attack;impulse 101";bind mouse1 +attack_ |
| 15:36.49 | Tain | That part's nutty |
| 15:36.51 | Industrial | there you go |
| 15:36.51 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:36.54 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 15:37.00 | Ktron | I haven't figured out how to place the turrents so they don't get knocked over |
| 15:37.02 | Ktron | pff |
| 15:37.06 | Kirkburn|shower | In all of HL2, that's probably the hardest section |
| 15:37.08 | Industrial | kek just kidding |
| 15:37.09 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:37.12 | Kirkburn|shower | (esp. when you play on 'Hard') |
| 15:37.20 | Kirkburn|shower | In a corner |
| 15:37.24 | Ktron | I'm on medium or normal or whatever it is |
| 15:37.45 | Kirkburn|shower | Pick them up from the front, and place them facing out of a corner |
| 15:37.46 | Industrial | Ktron: try putting them at a distance |
| 15:37.54 | Tain | It took me a couple of tries. What I ended up doing was keeping the turrents close to you, but aiming out. |
| 15:38.05 | Ktron | My best luck so far has been to group them in a circle in the middle of one of the long corridors, and hide along the side |
| 15:38.09 | Tain | Relatively close to you. |
| 15:38.17 | End | the last time I played, I ended up with about 15 health in a closet with a lot of shotgun ammo |
| 15:38.26 | Industrial | I just put them further away from the 'barrier' thingy where they come from |
| 15:38.26 | End | (well, I had a lot of ammo on me) |
| 15:38.30 | Industrial | so they cant lob grenades |
| 15:38.33 | End | (don't think the closet did) |
| 15:38.42 | Kirkburn|shower | first time I did it I had to cheat, second play through I managed it on hard |
| 15:38.56 | End | (I think I was in one of the turret closets come to think of it) |
| 15:39.07 | Industrial | lol |
| 15:39.08 | Industrial | . |
| 15:39.15 | Kirkburn|shower | Good idea - pick up all the ammo around and stockpile it |
| 15:39.45 | Kirkburn|shower | There's lots hidden in all the rooms |
| 15:40.36 | Kirkburn|shower | Wow, ClearFont.co.uk got 1800 hits on wednesday - bit more than the normal 150 |
| 15:44.02 | Industrial | http://www.wolf-claw.com/eboutique/product.php |
| 15:44.03 | Industrial | check the last one |
| 15:44.04 | Industrial | I just ordered it |
| 15:44.26 | Industrial | Kirkburn|play: g0t ads? :D |
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| 15:51.35 | Kalroth | Cide: Are you busy? |
| 15:52.09 | Cide | relatively :) why? |
| 15:52.19 | Cide | ('busy' is a matter of how you prioritize things!) |
| 15:52.58 | Kalroth | lol |
| 15:53.35 | Kalroth | Well I had some CTRA questions (notice, more than one), but it can wait until you're available |
| 15:54.04 | Cide | haha, I'm not doing anything |
| 15:54.06 | Cide | so shoot |
| 15:54.09 | Kalroth | >< |
| 15:56.02 | Kirkburn|play | heh, no I'm not gonna put google ads on it :P |
| 15:56.24 | Kirkburn|play | Now this is interesting - I have a key ring button stuck in the middle of my screen |
| 15:56.43 | Kirkburn|play | And I can't move it |
| 15:57.39 | Kirkburn|play | And not all the main-bar artwork is being hidden :( |
| 15:57.46 | zenzelezz | oyh Cide, what does the "Check all groups" checkbox actually mean? I find it odd that checking one of the groups (any) also checks that one |
| 15:58.50 | Cide | if any group is showing, clicking it will hide all |
| 15:58.58 | Cide | clicking it again will show all |
| 15:59.02 | Cide | I guess it's just a matter of preference |
| 15:59.46 | Cide | I'm guessing it's a bit more logical to not check it unless they're all checked |
| 15:59.48 | zenzelezz | so it's what it looks like it was then... just the use of a checkbox seems odd to me, I'd probably have used a Check all and an Uncheck all button |
| 16:00.04 | zenzelezz | granted the space there is limited |
| 16:00.08 | Cide | exactly :) |
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| 16:01.09 | Arog | hey |
| 16:02.43 | Cide | morning |
| 16:02.46 | Cide | wait |
| 16:02.55 | Cide | why am I typing 'morning' when it's 6pm |
| 16:02.55 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 16:02.57 | JoshBorke | ~ugt |
| 16:02.58 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 16:03.09 | Cide | I'm guessing my sleeping schedule is fuckedu p |
| 16:03.12 | Cide | fucked up* |
| 16:03.14 | Arog | its 12pm here |
| 16:03.14 | Arog | heh |
| 16:03.24 | Cide | JoshBorke yeah, I'm aware, but I literally thought it was morning |
| 16:03.30 | JoshBorke | lol cide |
| 16:03.39 | Arog | Cide, you plan on releasing any low memory mods for Unit Frames? |
| 16:03.43 | Arog | CT Something :) |
| 16:03.59 | Cide | CT_UnitFrames is just that :P it uses the default ones |
| 16:04.14 | Arog | You have a CT_UnitFrames? |
| 16:04.30 | Cide | yes |
| 16:04.45 | Arog | got a screenshot anywhere? |
| 16:04.52 | Cide | not really |
| 16:04.54 | Arog | sec, I will search |
| 16:04.59 | Industrial | http://images.google.nl/images?q=CT_UnitFrames |
| 16:05.00 | Industrial | :P |
| 16:05.28 | Arog | ya found it :) |
| 16:05.40 | Arog | ah, you cannot really customize it I guess |
| 16:05.46 | Arog | like how you did with CT_Bar |
| 16:06.04 | Cide | you can't customize the looks |
| 16:06.27 | Arog | ya that is what I meant heh |
| 16:07.38 | Arog | cool, thanks |
| 16:08.35 | Cide | http://static.curse-gaming.com/mscreens/5258.jpg <- what you can customize |
| 16:10.08 | Arog | oh right :) |
| 16:10.12 | Arog | I forgot about all these heh |
| 16:10.19 | Arog | (I had full CTMod at one point) |
| 16:11.24 | Kaso | Is there anyone who's got Naxx armor quests here? |
| 16:11.55 | Arog | alright, I am heading to class cya |
| 16:12.51 | Kirkburn|play | I'm off to sunbathe |
| 16:13.08 | Kirkburn|play | My laptop is raaather hot atm |
| 16:13.50 | Kirkburn|play | or in fact, I'm since it appears I'm going to get covered in dust |
| 16:14.14 | Kirkburn|play | Stop stealing words from my sentences, damn gremlins! |
| 16:28.47 | Kaso | Damnit! how am i supposed to write Naxx loot tokens into my addon when those lazy raiders havent got all the data uploaded to thottbot yet, psh |
| 16:30.17 | Abenadi | what data do you need? |
| 16:31.06 | Kaso | Just the names of all the Desecrated items |
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| 16:31.53 | kergoth | heh, haven't been here in ages. |
| 16:31.57 | kergoth | End: ping |
| 16:32.07 | End | spoon |
| 16:32.19 | Abenadi | try here: http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr/Tiers3ArmorSet.html - may not be all of what you want but maybe |
| 16:32.23 | End | oh wait, wrong response |
| 16:32.25 | End | pong? |
| 16:32.35 | kergoth | just submitted a couple tickets on yatlas, feature requests, had a question on one of them if you wouldnt mind taking a look |
| 16:32.40 | End | sure |
| 16:32.42 | kergoth | oh, and whats the svn repository url for Yatlas? |
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| 16:32.50 | kergoth | trac doesnt seem to have a way to find out |
| 16:33.10 | End | http://endif.cjb.net/svn/trunk/Yatlas |
| 16:33.15 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:33.18 | End | np |
| 16:33.20 | kergoth | ~yatlas? |
| 16:33.27 | kergoth | aw |
| 16:33.46 | Kaso | hmm, Abenadi i might be able to peice together that with what little there is on thottbot to get somthing usable, thanks |
| 16:34.04 | kergoth | ~yatlas is a world of warcraft addon that provides a minimap-based view of the world. See http://endif.cjb.net/wowui/wiki/Yatlas. The subversion repository lies at http://endif.cjb.net/svn/trunk/Yatlas. |
| 16:34.05 | purl | okay, kergoth |
| 16:34.10 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 16:34.10 | purl | kergoth: aw, gee |
| 16:34.15 | End | I really need to get trac to notify me when new tickets are created |
| 16:34.36 | kergoth | yeah, email notification can be handy |
| 16:34.55 | kergoth | though it gets a bit excessive with most bugzilla setups |
| 16:37.26 | End | btw, I'm rewriting a significant portion of the code :P |
| 16:37.37 | kergoth | oh, you might want to just move the internal table in players.lua and the one i just submitted to a second local rather than in the set namespace. if it's truly private, it needn't be exposed |
| 16:37.43 | kergoth | ah, cool :) |
| 16:38.02 | End | I lot of the code has become a bit funky ;p |
| 16:38.28 | End | it's gonna be a while before I commit it though :P |
| 16:38.29 | kergoth | hehe. thats one way to put it. please, please namespace your functions in this one. 8 quadrillion global functions tis bads |
| 16:38.32 | kergoth | s/s$// |
| 16:39.27 | Tain | "It takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth." |
| 16:39.39 | kergoth | Tain: hehe, i saw that one today too. good stuff |
| 16:39.46 | kergoth | yay quotes of the day |
| 16:39.55 | End | there will be fewer global functions...nearly all the functions will be associated with some object or another |
| 16:40.32 | kergoth | excellent. if you want a hand with it, i'm willing to help out. i'm in need of projects i'm not bored with to work on |
| 16:40.58 | End | hmmm |
| 16:41.35 | kergoth | i don't have any released addons at the moment, but i'm a #wowace regular, a software engineer by trade, and wrote about 14 incarnations of the new object model for ace2 ;) |
| 16:42.04 | End | so how far along is ace2? |
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| 16:42.45 | kergoth | coming along well. ace isnt really a project of its own anymore, ace2 is just a pile of useful embedded libraries. |
| 16:42.51 | kergoth | but ckknight here would be the one to ask about status |
| 16:43.06 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 16:43.08 | purl | It's partially an expression of my teenage angst...but mostly, it's a moo cow! |
| 16:43.42 | Kaso | he he, i saw that episode a week ago |
| 16:43.56 | Tain | New episodes of Futurama confirmed. |
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| 16:49.52 | Industrial | How are keybindings handled in wow? Can I do it from lua? so i can rebind keys? |
| 16:50.00 | Industrial | I have a bindings.xml now |
| 16:50.11 | Tem | Shadowed, when there are O casters in the raid with blue boots, the priests need to back the hell off |
| 16:50.17 | Tem | oh lol |
| 16:50.17 | Industrial | but I wat to make it dynamic |
| 16:50.26 | Tem | I typed that in last night |
| 16:50.27 | zenzelezz | "dynamic"? |
| 16:50.31 | Industrial | yes |
| 16:50.46 | zenzelezz | you know you're meant to elaborate when people ask like that |
| 16:50.51 | Industrial | :P |
| 16:50.56 | Industrial | I just want to rebind keys |
| 16:51.19 | Industrial | I'm making a popout actionbar |
| 16:51.28 | zenzelezz | but you're not explaining it right. You're not saying if you want to do it by force through code, or just let them use the Key Bindings thing from the menu |
| 16:51.47 | Industrial | by force |
| 16:52.02 | Beladona | you will need to have the binding check for a switch, and just set the switch |
| 16:52.04 | zenzelezz | then I don't know... but I would hope it's not possible |
| 16:52.15 | Industrial | why noy |
| 16:52.22 | Industrial | not* |
| 16:52.23 | Beladona | and have the binding do something different based on that switch |
| 16:52.38 | zenzelezz | "Hey, my <...> keybinding just stopped working..." |
| 16:52.47 | Industrial | zenzelezz: authors fault |
| 16:52.55 | Industrial | :P |
| 16:53.04 | zenzelezz | which is why I would hope it's only possible to bind keys through the menu config |
| 16:55.09 | Beladona | I think you misunderstand him |
| 16:55.24 | zenzelezz | I do that a lot |
| 16:55.50 | zenzelezz | but I thought that was what bindings.xml was for |
| 16:56.48 | Beladona | yes |
| 16:57.01 | Beladona | you can create a function in lua, and have bindings.xml use that function though |
| 16:57.27 | Beladona | he was worried about making a binding do something different based on a switch |
| 16:58.03 | zenzelezz | I missed that part then; only read "<Industrial> How are keybindings handled in wow? Can I do it from lua? so i can rebind keys?" |
| 16:58.05 | Beladona | basically so you can press the same button twice, but it does something different depending |
| 16:58.15 | Beladona | yeah, not your fault |
| 16:58.27 | Beladona | I know what he was talking about because he is working on something that we brainstormed together |
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| 17:08.13 | Kirkburn|sun | So, can anyone teach me the ways of making an options menu? |
| 17:08.57 | Beladona | hiya Cairenn |
| 17:09.08 | Cairenn | hey' |
| 17:09.14 | Kaso | ive almost got all the data i need, i just need the Priest, Mage and Warlock naxx loot tokens, anyone got any ideas |
| 17:10.48 | Wobin | Kirkburn|sun: If you have somewhere to attach it to, use Dewdrop |
| 17:11.14 | End | Dewdrop is hawt stuff |
| 17:11.28 | kergoth | morning Cairenn |
| 17:11.28 | Kirkburn|sun | What is it exactly? I don't think I have anything to attack it to |
| 17:11.35 | Cairenn | hi kergoth |
| 17:11.40 | Cairenn | *boggle* |
| 17:11.43 | Cairenn | kergoth?! |
| 17:11.45 | End | haha |
| 17:11.55 | Cairenn | welcome back |
| 17:12.00 | kergoth | its all End's fault, i had to come over and pester him |
| 17:12.03 | kergoth | yep, thats it. |
| 17:12.06 | End | it's true :O |
| 17:12.13 | Abenadi | Anyone know how many raid target icons there are? |
| 17:12.37 | Kaso | 8 |
| 17:12.54 | Abenadi | ok |
| 17:12.58 | Kaso | 1 for Star 2 for Circle 3 for Diamond 4 for Triangle 5 for Moon 6 for square 7 for Cross 8 for Skull |
| 17:13.06 | Abenadi | and 0 for nothing right? |
| 17:13.28 | Wobin | Kirkburn|sun: It's a emblib for dropdown menus |
| 17:13.33 | Wobin | very very easy to setup and use |
| 17:13.52 | Kirkburn|sun | I want something like this though: http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/1145127970ftmenu.jpg |
| 17:14.14 | Wobin | hm |
| 17:14.19 | Wobin | You'll have to build that one yourself =) |
| 17:14.25 | Kirkburn|sun | I'm using UI designer |
| 17:14.30 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: you there by chance? |
| 17:14.37 | Kirkburn|sun | *trying it, anyway |
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| 17:18.47 | Cairenn | Well, kiddo now finished her last exam, graduates from high school next week. Just got home, mixed her a drink to celebrate. |
| 17:19.10 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:19.14 | Cairenn | hey ckknight |
| 17:19.43 | ckknight | End, you wanted a status update on Ace2? |
| 17:20.19 | Cairenn | he isn't the only one |
| 17:20.27 | End | ckknight, yes, I am curious |
| 17:20.40 | ckknight | almost done |
| 17:20.43 | End | cool |
| 17:20.46 | ckknight | gonna make an alpha soon |
| 17:20.57 | Cairenn | excellent |
| 17:20.57 | ckknight | been working on it, coming together well |
| 17:21.42 | ckknight | the plan is to push out an alpha |
| 17:21.52 | ckknight | which primarily the ace community will play with |
| 17:22.12 | ckknight | then when more bugs are squashed and issues are solved, a beta will occur |
| 17:22.38 | ckknight | which we'll basically try to push on other people |
| 17:22.38 | kergoth | heh, if i was coding an addon right now, itd either not use ace at all, using instead a custom OO model, or itd use the ace2 alpha |
| 17:22.38 | ckknight | write up documentation |
| 17:22.43 | ckknight | etc. |
| 17:22.54 | Thrae | You know, DropDownMenus take an obscene amount of code. I'm already up to 300 lines and I'm not done yet. |
| 17:23.01 | End | yeah :X |
| 17:23.50 | ckknight | with Ace2, I and others have come up with a data format to unify gui option windows/chat commands/dropdown settings |
| 17:24.04 | ckknight | among other shiny things. |
| 17:24.36 | kergoth | how about _actually_ using an OOP style rather than the half assed "procedural shoved into a namespace" style |
| 17:24.41 | kergoth | thats shiny :) |
| 17:24.44 | ckknight | oh yes |
| 17:24.56 | ckknight | Classes and Mixins and Interfaces, oh my. |
| 17:25.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:26.04 | chuckg | Thrae: I hate WOW's drop down menus. |
| 17:26.13 | ckknight | hooray for dewdrop. |
| 17:26.14 | chuckg | I had an issue with my mod and LOD with the enchantin window. |
| 17:26.23 | chuckg | Poof, it's gone thanks to 1.11 |
| 17:27.02 | chuckg | ckknight, I'm hesitant to throw a library at one dropdown menu for an entire mod. |
| 17:28.20 | ckknight | it's a library |
| 17:28.23 | ckknight | shared resources ftw. |
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| 17:29.22 | End | distribution size is increased, but actually memory usage shouldn't be any bigger |
| 17:29.40 | End | s/actually/actual/ |
| 17:29.51 | Tain | Memory usage wont' be any bigger if multiple addons use the same lib. If only one uses it then yeah you increase by that amount. |
| 17:29.58 | chuckg | Yes. |
| 17:30.07 | chuckg | Well I don't expect my users to be using anything else. |
| 17:30.07 | Tain | But you'd be increaseing your memory usage with your own code to do the same thing anyway. |
| 17:30.09 | Tain | So the point is moot. |
| 17:30.18 | chuckg | 3 functions ... or a full library. |
| 17:30.21 | chuckg | You tell me which is more code. |
| 17:30.53 | chuckg | I realize it's reused, but expecting every user to have a mod that's already using dewdrop is a bit unrealistic. |
| 17:30.57 | Tain | Dunno! Thrae is already up to 300 lines :) |
| 17:31.00 | chuckg | Not everyone gets down and FuBared. |
| 17:31.18 | chuckg | He must be writing each line manually! |
| 17:31.19 | Tain | You're looking at it wrong, you dont' have to expect any user to have anything. |
| 17:31.22 | Tain | You include it yourself. |
| 17:31.32 | chuckg | I know. |
| 17:31.41 | chuckg | But it's not "shared" unless other mods are using it. |
| 17:31.50 | chuckg | Which, if you're banking on the shared thing, there's an expectation. |
| 17:32.19 | Tain | It's not necessarily "banking" on so much as "allowing for smoothly" |
| 17:32.19 | Thrae | Tain: I'm making DropDowns specifically, not DropDownMenus. Dewdrop already does that fine ;) |
| 17:32.20 | kaiden | question, why not make it so if it's already loaded to not load it since loadondemand is in, or am i just crazy and it already does this |
| 17:32.21 | kaiden | :) |
| 17:33.13 | Tain | I'm certainly not saying someone should always reuse other people's work, there's a lot to be said for doing it yourself. |
| 17:33.34 | Abenadi | in Lua, is var++ the same as var=var+1, or is there a different syntax shortcut? |
| 17:33.49 | MentalPower | there is no var++ in Lua |
| 17:33.50 | Tain | None Abenadi. |
| 17:33.52 | Abenadi | ok |
| 17:33.53 | End | I've always assumed there wasn't a syntax shortcut |
| 17:33.54 | Thrae | Abenadi: var++ doesn't work in Lua |
| 17:34.30 | Abenadi | thanks |
| 17:42.06 | ckknight | ++ is evil |
| 17:42.59 | Tem | I'd like += |
| 17:43.12 | Tem | but ++ can burn in a fire |
| 17:43.51 | End | a ...CAR FIRE? |
| 17:44.15 | End | (had to ask) |
| 17:44.44 | Ktron | heh |
| 17:45.10 | Ktron | There's still room in C and LUA too for improvement |
| 17:45.48 | Ktron | I still think that 'then' should be 'do' or vice versa |
| 17:46.32 | Ktron | mostly the former... why should there be two different things that effectively just group commands? |
| 17:49.20 | Tem | no, End |
| 17:49.25 | Tem | a HOT fire |
| 17:49.27 | End | ah |
| 17:49.46 | Abenadi | is there an event that fires when you click on an enemy, even if you already have that enemy selected? |
| 17:50.02 | Tem | I think for ... do is fine |
| 17:50.12 | Tem | and while ... do is fine too |
| 17:50.40 | Kaso | Abenadi does clicking on an enemy while its targetted do anything? |
| 17:51.19 | Abenadi | I am trying to write a mod that will let a raid leader cycle through raid target icons by control+clicking a unit |
| 17:51.56 | Abenadi | or shift+click a unit to assign icons to targets of any raid member |
| 17:52.13 | Ktron | I don't think you can, but I am naive |
| 17:52.29 | Kaso | hmm |
| 17:52.55 | Kaso | you cant really bind an action to a mouseclick like that so i dont think so |
| 17:53.02 | Abenadi | =( |
| 17:53.10 | Kaso | but you could have it like when you click a key it raidtarggets the mouseover |
| 17:53.15 | Ktron | There's certainly no way to determine what you clicked on, but maybe if you had control+mouse and shift+mouse bound to target then do something more |
| 17:53.58 | End | well, you can catch onclick on the world frame and check tooltip? |
| 17:53.59 | Abenadi | well before I was just using the player_target_changed event, which works ok until you want to change the icon |
| 17:54.16 | Kaso | hmm attually |
| 17:54.34 | Ktron | hm, maybe End |
| 17:54.35 | Kaso | lemme just test something |
| 17:54.42 | End | IIRC, ctraid does that |
| 17:55.27 | Kirkburn|sun | Woop, UI designer is utterly and completely messed up |
| 17:56.23 | Kirkburn|sun | I've tried uninstalling it, reinstalling it, and the display is completely corrupted :( |
| 17:56.43 | Cairenn | have the latest version? |
| 17:56.50 | Kirkburn|sun | Yep |
| 17:56.54 | Cairenn | post it then |
| 17:58.32 | kergoth | Ktron: the common argument is that both then and do should be removed entirely, and do would only exist for the standalone do ... end block. then and do are syntactic pertiness, not needed at all from a parsing standpoint |
| 17:59.02 | kergoth | syntactic pertiness, i like that, i shall have to use that phrase i pulled out of my ass again in the future |
| 17:59.46 | Ktron | lol |
| 18:00.22 | Ktron | I suppose, but I can understand why having something between the conditional block and the command block is useful |
| 18:00.36 | Ktron | though I suppose redundant with the parens |
| 18:00.50 | kergoth | well there is that, currently parens are optional, certain things could be ambiguous |
| 18:01.00 | kergoth | theres a wiki page with people arguing back and forth on the subject |
| 18:01.05 | kergoth | over on lua-users.org |
| 18:03.17 | Thrae | Wasn't there a mod called "Persistance of Chatiness" or something like that? I just need one which joins channels in the right order. |
| 18:03.55 | kergoth | POC just made the 1-4 chans sticky, iirc |
| 18:04.15 | kergoth | i've been using chatmanager to rearrange them and such, but its rather complex for such a simple need |
| 18:04.50 | Beladona | you ever had one of those people that in the process of talking to them, you end up wanting to stab yourself just to end it? |
| 18:05.06 | Thrae | ChatManager no work in 1.11 |
| 18:05.15 | kergoth | not quite, usually i end up wanting to stab _them_ |
| 18:05.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:05.20 | Beladona | well that too |
| 18:05.41 | Thrae | Yes, murder suicide has crossed my mind talking to some people |
| 18:05.58 | Tain | Genocide has crossed my mind talking to some people. |
| 18:06.08 | Beladona | I am pretty patient when it comes to helping people with technical issues, but this one girl just excretes this neuroticism that makes you want to kill everyone in sight |
| 18:06.26 | Thrae | ChatCopy is a neat idea. Damn me and my 1000 small addons. |
| 18:06.57 | Beladona | and to make things worse, nothing I tell her sinks in, so her issues tend to re-occur |
| 18:07.38 | kergoth | people like that are why my powerusers on my projects asked me to stop trying to support users :P |
| 18:09.40 | Industrial | I dont have users |
| 18:09.50 | Industrial | i scare them away :D |
| 18:09.57 | Industrial | seems to have worked on the ace forums aswell |
| 18:10.00 | Beladona | taking to people like that makes every joint in my body ache. Probably because I am fighting the urge to run away |
| 18:15.28 | Abenadi | well... I'm sure now that its possible to do something when you just click a unit (looking at some other mods) but I think its beyond my expertise to utilize |
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| 18:24.00 | ckknight | anyone German willing to do some translations? (for Ace2) |
| 18:28.51 | Cairenn | wheee, let's hear it for being 3/4 shnockered at 2:30 on a Friday afternoon! |
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| 18:29.33 | Kaelten | hi |
| 18:29.40 | Gryphen | heya |
| 18:29.43 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
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| 18:41.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:42.36 | Cairenn | I think I mixed em a little stronger than I'd planned ... my sense of everything is mroe than just a little off |
| 18:42.48 | Cairenn | more* |
| 18:43.00 | zenzelezz | getting her drunk? o_O |
| 18:43.10 | kergoth | hmm, i need to go to the liquor store today. most of my alcohol is around 2200 miles away |
| 18:44.55 | Cairenn | heh, dunno about her, but I'm in pretty good shape |
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| 18:46.19 | Thrae | Iriel! Just the gu' I wanted to see. AnduinLothar mentioned you had a script which tries to make XML into dynamic frame code? |
| 18:46.26 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 18:47.35 | Iriel | Cairenn : 8-) |
| 18:47.53 | Iriel | Thrae : Yes, well, it makes it into a data structure and then has a driver library to 'execute' that into frames |
| 18:48.24 | Iriel | Though slouken's adding the virtual frames to CreateFrame took most of the wind out of its sails |
| 18:48.36 | End | hmmmm |
| 18:48.43 | End | my shell doesn't understand lua |
| 18:48.49 | Tem | Iriel, did we ever get any way to set OnLoad scripts? |
| 18:49.11 | Thrae | Ahh, I was hoping the script tried to parse it directly into dynamic code |
| 18:49.13 | Iriel | Tem: No, and everyone OTHER than me went on about how it wasn't necessary, so I suspect slouken figured it wasn't needed |
| 18:49.25 | Tem | bah |
| 18:49.26 | Thrae | Sometimes going down the inheritance tree can be a real bear if I want to clone something. |
| 18:49.29 | Tem | I should have spoken up |
| 18:49.39 | Tem | because seriously, I won't use it until we can |
| 18:49.41 | Iriel | Thrae : I started out that way, but it's largely infeasible for arbitrary structures without generating ridiculoyusly complex code |
| 18:49.42 | JoshBorke | no wonder my onload wasn't executing! |
| 18:49.47 | End | I can see the issue as well |
| 18:49.50 | Kaelten | Tem what you mean? |
| 18:49.54 | Iriel | JoshBorke : The OnLoad's _always_ execute |
| 18:50.06 | Iriel | JoshBorke : There's no way to make them not execute, unless slouken did something funny and didn't tell us |
| 18:50.10 | End | it's not really being able to specify in CreateFrame that you need...but to be able to at least suppress it |
| 18:50.27 | JoshBorke | ( Iriel ): for lua created frames also? |
| 18:50.35 | Thrae | Iriel: I'm finding that out with copying AceGUI's DropDown template - already 300 lines of code |
| 18:50.42 | End | JoshBorke: well, you can use virtuals |
| 18:50.44 | Iriel | Thrae : You're welcome to my xslt |
| 18:50.48 | End | and virtuals can have onload |
| 18:50.58 | Iriel | JoshBorke : If you use CreateFrame to make a frame, then SetScript("OnLoad") is a total waste of time |
| 18:51.14 | Iriel | JoshBorke : Because you dont get the object back until AFTER the point when OnLoad would have been invoked |
| 18:51.16 | Kaelten | Thrae: AceGUI's DropDown doesn't have a limit on how many lines it can have |
| 18:51.25 | JoshBorke | ah, i see |
| 18:51.30 | JoshBorke | well then i'll just remove that line :-) |
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| 18:51.53 | Thrae | Kaelten: Really? It only has 20 buttons, though. |
| 18:52.13 | Kaelten | ya its a scroll box |
| 18:52.56 | Cairenn | ckknight: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=401581&p=1&tmp=1#post401581 |
| 18:53.02 | Thrae | Kaelten: So what does it do? Only allow 20 lines to be shown at once? |
| 18:53.38 | Kaelten | I think you can set how many lines to show but the max is 20 and then you can scroll them |
| 18:54.13 | Thrae | Yeah, but one of the goals of GooeyFigs is to try to do everything without using the global namespace. |
| 18:54.39 | Thrae | Without putting frames into the global namespace, that is. |
| 18:55.48 | Kaelten | ah |
| 18:55.55 | Thrae | Doing this way will give me more power later, and will allow me to hurt myself more too! |
| 18:56.03 | Kaelten | well thats a flaw with AceGUI that'll be fixed in AceGUI2 |
| 18:59.09 | Ktron | when roughly is the next Ace/ AceGUI coming out? |
| 18:59.45 | Kaelten | Ace2 is getting ready to enter public testing probably this weekend |
| 18:59.54 | Ktron | nice |
| 19:00.45 | Kaelten | unless you think I should make people wait for a few more months |
| 19:01.40 | Thrae | When are we getting Engineering Bags? |
| 19:02.11 | End | are you sure we're getting them at all? |
| 19:03.49 | Kaso | Theyre on the Aucitonhouse filter arent they? |
| 19:04.00 | Kaelten | ya they have a category |
| 19:04.23 | Kirkburn|sun | Yay, I have an options window! Boo, it doesn't do anything atm |
| 19:04.29 | Thrae | No, Engineering Bags don't have a catagory |
| 19:04.46 | Kaso | conflicting anwsers ftw! |
| 19:04.53 | Thrae | Bag, Soul Bag, Herb Bag, Enchanting Bag |
| 19:04.59 | Kaso | Im so sorry i said ftw i dont know what came over me. |
| 19:05.05 | Thrae | Wait, I'm using KCI, maybe that messes it up ;) |
| 19:05.09 | Kaelten | hmm did they used to have a category? |
| 19:05.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:05.16 | Kaelten | heh probably |
| 19:05.20 | Kaso | im pretyt sure it was in 1.10 at least maybe they yanked it |
| 19:05.31 | Kaelten | you may not know it but you've been sending me 5c everytime you visit the mailbox for months |
| 19:05.32 | Kaelten | thank you all |
| 19:05.52 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:06.03 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:06.31 | Thrae | I just disabled KCI and still no Engineering Bags =( |
| 19:06.35 | Kaelten | heh I've always wanted to actually put that in as much as a way to see how many people really use KCI as anything else |
| 19:06.45 | Kaso | wouldnt you notice the extra coin clunk ? |
| 19:07.12 | Kaelten | na you could suppress it and the mail messages |
| 19:07.41 | Kaso | /evil |
| 19:07.46 | Kaelten | ya it is |
| 19:07.49 | Kaelten | thats why I havn't done it |
| 19:07.55 | Ktron | Cairenn, if I make an addon called DontRunMe that sends all their gold to the character ktron or whatever i can get on every server, would WoWi host it? I'll say exacty what it does in the description |
| 19:07.56 | Kaso | cide was saying something like that the other day :> |
| 19:08.32 | Kaelten | I wonder if people would let me send a in game mail on an op in op out basis. |
| 19:08.42 | Cairenn | if you actually said precisely what it did ... you know, I'd have to think about it ... I'd be tempted to actually allow it |
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| 19:08.53 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:09.10 | Beladona | darnit |
| 19:09.12 | Ktron | my favorite idea is to make, prefereablly in an addon like CTMod, a reaction so that when orcs/etc saw their garbled equivalent of some phrase in common, they would automatically remove all their armor |
| 19:09.20 | Cairenn | mind you, the fact that I've denied MageAnnoy ... hrm |
| 19:09.25 | Ktron | ie, I could walk up, /say gotcha! and then kill them :) |
| 19:09.34 | JoshBorke | lol ktron |
| 19:09.37 | Beladona | anyone know of an example of a dynamically created frame in lua that is made draggable? I can't seem to convert a draggable frame I ave form xml to lua |
| 19:09.40 | Thrae | MageAnnoy? |
| 19:09.44 | Beladona | from* |
| 19:10.16 | Cairenn | yup, entire purpose of mod is to spam detect magic over and over and over, simply to annoy everyone around you |
| 19:11.01 | Kaelten | true but DontRunMe is a just an act of self destruction, woudln't bug anyone but the suer |
| 19:11.04 | zenzelezz | sounds like me when I first learned mining... thought you had to recast it to update the minimap |
| 19:11.08 | Kaelten | s/suer/user/ |
| 19:11.23 | Cairenn | but we do have a policy of no "bullshit" mods |
| 19:11.46 | Kaelten | hmm, its a very serious business to all the ktrons out there :) |
| 19:11.46 | Cairenn | I'd still be tempted to allow it |
| 19:11.55 | Thrae | I thought I saw a ChuckNorris mod on WoWI... ;) |
| 19:11.56 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:12.07 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:12.10 | Kaelten | someone would run it and get mad |
| 19:12.13 | Kaelten | you know they would |
| 19:12.21 | Kaelten | hey I got to run I have a 2:30 appointment |
| 19:12.31 | Industrial | bye |
| 19:12.38 | Cairenn | and we'd point them to the mod description and say "wtf were you thinking?" |
| 19:12.38 | Ktron | "I didn't think It'd do exactly what it said it would do" |
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| 19:13.22 | KaeltenAway | I didn't know it was seriously going to destroy all my equipment and send off all my money! I swear! |
| 19:14.03 | KaeltenAway | reminds me of that dane cook skit about the bomb "We didn't know the bomb was going to blow you to smithereens" |
| 19:14.06 | KaeltenAway | anyway gotta run |
| 19:14.10 | Ktron | You know why I won't make DontRunMe? because some mildly clever jackass would replace every instance of ktron with the name of one of his characters and rename it like "CTMod for 1.11" and put it on less secure sites |
| 19:14.28 | KaeltenAway | truth |
| 19:14.32 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:15.10 | Thrae | You should obsfucate the description a little, adding "What it will NOT do 1) Organize your bags AIOI style while using little resources. 2) Provide CTRA-type assistance in 50 lines of code. 3) Re-enable AutoTravel functionality in 1.11 patch. 4) More powerful Decursive functionality. 5) Enable all classes to track enemies without use of a tracking skill." |
| 19:15.42 | Thrae | If people complain, say "Well I clearly said in the description that it does NOT do that! |
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| 19:16.26 | Thrae | Or is that TOO evil? |
| 19:16.35 | Tain | Just tried out the game Prey demo. Don't touch it if you get any hint of motion sickness from games. |
| 19:17.08 | zenzelezz | sounds like my first run on the boat down the river in HL2 |
| 19:17.34 | Ktron | The other option is make an addon named "ItemDuper" and instead of Duping when they log on make a ticket to a GM saying something like "This account tried to use an addon to dupe items, however instead of duping items, this addon reports their behavior to you." |
| 19:17.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:18.00 | Tain | It's just crazy. Shifting gravity in different places, you walk around the same room but along differnet parts of the walls, kill something and its body flies up... |
| 19:18.25 | Ktron | heh... I'm still stuck on the 3 turrets in Nova Prospect part of HL2 |
| 19:18.26 | Cairenn | lol, I like that one Ktron |
| 19:19.27 | Cairenn | To mod authors specifically re the upload of their mods: |
| 19:19.28 | Cairenn | as suggested to me by a dear friend: |
| 19:19.28 | Cairenn | Quote: Dont post childish sh1tty mods or I'llz ban your azz. kthxbye |
| 19:19.28 | Cairenn | also known as: |
| 19:19.28 | Cairenn | Quote: Fooshizle the nizzle we dont want no punk azz mods beeeyatch |
| 19:20.01 | Cairenn | or in english: Re Uploading of mods - no un-announced easter eggs. The only thing your mod should do is exactly what you say it will do, nothing more. If you want to include a "cute little easter egg" in your mod, tell folks it is there in the description of your mod, have it turned off by default and tell folks how to enable it if they want it turned on. Any mods found that have malicious content will be remo |
| 19:20.20 | Cairenn | can't, already drunk it all! |
| 19:21.29 | Ktron | drinking on the job? isn't that one of the signs of... oh wait, it might be lunch there |
| 19:21.44 | Cairenn | it's 3:30 in the afternoon and I work from home |
| 19:21.50 | Ktron | ah |
| 19:21.55 | Cairenn | if you even want to call what I do a job |
| 19:21.58 | End | ducky? |
| 19:22.19 | Ktron | Cairenn, do they give you money to do it/ |
| 19:22.23 | Ktron | *? |
| 19:22.33 | Cairenn | lol, about $1/hr |
| 19:22.42 | End | you should sue for lost wages! |
| 19:22.46 | Cairenn | if I'm being generous in my accounting |
| 19:22.48 | End | or something |
| 19:23.04 | Ktron | Demand minimum wage :)! heh heh |
| 19:24.09 | Cairenn | I don't do it for the money, never have |
| 19:24.32 | Iriel | The money just buys the drinkies? |
| 19:24.38 | Cairenn | probably the reason why I never actually get a decent salary, everyone knows I don't care about the money I do it because I love it |
| 19:24.56 | Tain | I did it all for the nookie. |
| 19:25.18 | Cairenn | I don't get any of that, either |
| 19:25.30 | Ktron | heh... back to ui stuff, at least briefly for me... Alright, I want to make a mod that keeps track of some equivalent of DKP in game. I'm going to look for one again, but are any of them 'serverless', ie no one account has the master numbers? I'm trying to think of a way to make an addon that just the officers can run and other users can ask for the numbers from them, and the officers' addons will update each other with the most re |
| 19:25.30 | Ktron | cent changes |
| 19:25.37 | Tain | Yeah well I got a letter from my last job today claming they overpaid me $4500 and want me to pay it back. |
| 19:25.50 | Kalroth | lol |
| 19:26.03 | Iriel | Tain You could suggest they take it from their accounting department |
| 19:26.11 | Beladona | and you told them they should have called friday when you spent it all on booz and cheap women right? |
| 19:26.26 | Tain | If I had an extra $4500 I wouldnt' spend it on cheap women. |
| 19:26.26 | Ktron | Cairenn, yeah, you've got the right reason to be doing this stuff then :)... |
| 19:26.30 | Tain | I'd go for the pricey ones. |
| 19:26.43 | Beladona | depends on if you want quality, or quantity |
| 19:26.48 | zenzelezz | must have been one hell of a party if he spent $4500 on booze and *cheap* women |
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| 19:27.42 | Tain | The funniest part of it all is they never even paid me the money they claim they did. But now I have to spend the time arguing about it. |
| 19:27.57 | Kalroth | depends, between 100-300$ Ktron |
| 19:28.00 | Kalroth | err, I think |
| 19:28.01 | Kalroth | :P |
| 19:28.18 | Cairenn | rofl Kalroth |
| 19:28.26 | Beladona | I wouldn't know. I get it free |
| 19:28.27 | Tain | $200-350 an hour typically, according to craigslist. ;) |
| 19:28.36 | Ktron | lol |
| 19:28.39 | Beladona | well, actually, maybe I can't say it is free |
| 19:28.42 | Kalroth | expensive neighbourhood >< |
| 19:28.42 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:28.53 | Kalroth | Beladona: Are you wearing a ring? If so, then it's surely not for free |
| 19:28.54 | Cairenn | Beladona: you're married ... it isn't free |
| 19:28.59 | Beladona | aye |
| 19:29.00 | Tain | Hey that's what they say, paying a woman for sex is a lot cheaper. ;) |
| 19:29.07 | Kalroth | haha |
| 19:29.16 | Tain | Actually you don't pay for the sex, you pay for them to leave afterwards. |
| 19:29.18 | Beladona | I just remember that it is typically her wallet with the cash, and mine that is empty |
| 19:29.48 | Abenadi | you can assign raid target Icons to players, right? |
| 19:29.50 | Kalroth | Tain: The smart ones charge you twice, once for sex and once more for leaving :) |
| 19:29.56 | Kalroth | Abenadi: I think so, yes |
| 19:30.08 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: you seem to know a lot about this |
| 19:30.20 | Beladona | you are talking about Tain, they probably pay HIM to let them leave |
| 19:30.40 | Kalroth | zenzelezz: A friend of my friend told him all this |
| 19:30.42 | Tain | Gimme some sugar baby |
| 19:30.52 | Abenadi | think I'll write a mod that puts skull icons on anyone with burning adrenaline : ) |
| 19:31.05 | Beladona | is his name Thorlak? |
| 19:31.08 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: of coooourse |
| 19:31.09 | zenzelezz | ;) |
| 19:34.10 | Kaso | Oh man, Raid Leader's Chat No-longer comes under the chat_msg_raid event, that sucks |
| 19:35.09 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 19:36.34 | Kaso | Spent 5min trying to work out why my addon wasnt detecting my chat in raid :< |
| 19:37.05 | Tain | hah some jackass psychologist declared today the happiest day of 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/06/23/happy-day060623.html |
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| 19:39.17 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 19:39.21 | Abenadi | if I wanted to track when the target of a boss mob changes, is there any event for that or just use a timer and check his target periodically? |
| 19:39.40 | Cairenn | hey ComicSansMS |
| 19:40.27 | Kaso | You've gotta periodically check |
| 19:40.50 | Abenadi | k |
| 19:41.25 | Abenadi | Kaso: did you happen to find out anything about capturing a click event when your target doesn't change? |
| 19:41.46 | Kaso | No i didnt :< |
| 19:42.07 | Abenadi | I'm pretty sure the clickheal mod does it, but its too complex for me |
| 19:42.27 | JoshBorke | what do you mean? |
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| 19:42.49 | Abenadi | what do I mean about what? the complexity or the feature? |
| 19:42.56 | JoshBorke | the feature |
| 19:43.18 | Abenadi | I want to do something when someone shift+clicks on a mob, even if the target doesn't change |
| 19:43.25 | Abenadi | like if that target is already selected |
| 19:43.40 | JoshBorke | did you try hooking WorldFrame OnMouseDown? |
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| 19:43.56 | Abenadi | I've never tried hooking before, I didn't understand the wowwiki tutorial : ( |
| 19:44.06 | JoshBorke | it's really easy |
| 19:44.20 | Legorol | you see, hooking is like riding a bike... you get it once, you never forget for life :) |
| 19:44.44 | zenzelezz | and if you fail it can really hurt |
| 19:45.05 | Shadowed | That doesn't explain why people sometimes hook stuff incorrectly though :( |
| 19:45.11 | Abenadi | josh do you think you could write me a quick sample code block that will do like a hello world hooking the worldframe onMouseDown? |
| 19:45.17 | Abenadi | I know that's asking alot |
| 19:45.48 | JoshBorke | not at all, i'm doing it now :D |
| 19:45.52 | Abenadi | Thanks! =D |
| 19:46.05 | JoshBorke | of course it'll totally be wrong, but you should be able to get an idea :D |
| 19:46.09 | Abenadi | : ) |
| 19:49.03 | JoshBorke | slow pastebin ftl... |
| 19:49.52 | JoshBorke | http://pastebin.ca/70113 |
| 19:50.11 | Ktron | JoshBorke, http://wow.pastecode.com/ |
| 19:50.17 | JoshBorke | that's what i would do then figure out why it doesn't work because nothing i write works the first time |
| 19:50.27 | Ktron | pastecode is basically identical to pastebin, except its not going slow |
| 19:50.37 | JoshBorke | NOW you tell me |
| 19:51.38 | Abenadi | Thanks Josh, that gives me something to work with |
| 19:51.58 | Abenadi | is there also a MouseUp or MouseClick in worldframe? |
| 19:52.18 | Ktron | I mentioned http://wow.pastecode.com/ a few times yesterday, but it was way late so |
| 19:54.06 | Kaso | has anyone here been to naxx? |
| 19:54.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | meep |
| 19:54.42 | Shadowed | Kaso: yes |
| 19:54.54 | Kaso | Is there a Green loot token like coins of scarabs or is it just the sraps ? |
| 19:54.59 | Shadowed | scraps |
| 19:55.15 | Shadowed | Scraps drop from pretty much any trash, BOE and they drop fairly often |
| 19:55.36 | Kaso | Ok, thanks |
| 19:56.09 | Kaso | Ive got a "ML all loot tokens to yourself" feature on one of my addons and i want to get it ready for when(if) i ever see naxx |
| 19:57.08 | zenzelezz | sounds ninj0r ;-p |
| 19:57.24 | Kirkburn|sun | I'ev managed to get a lovely options screen now :D It doesn't do anything however (although the apply button does reload the ui, usefully ;) |
| 19:57.51 | End | useful for who? ;p |
| 19:57.58 | Kirkburn|sun | Someone |
| 19:58.02 | zenzelezz | do you have three buttons then Kirk; Apply, Save and Cancel? |
| 19:58.06 | End | lies, you aren't someone |
| 20:01.17 | Tem | someone help me figure out how to play this file |
| 20:01.19 | Tem | http://www.russia-in-us.com/Music/Folk/korobeyniki.html |
| 20:02.21 | Iriel | Hm, realaudio |
| 20:02.42 | Iriel | rtsp://24.173.60.74/03112013/Music/Folk/Audio/Kadisheva/korobeyniki.ra |
| 20:02.45 | Iriel | You'll need realplayer |
| 20:02.58 | End | tsp://24.173.60.74/03112013/Music/Folk/Audio/Kadisheva/korobeyniki.ra |
| 20:03.02 | End | whoops |
| 20:03.07 | Tem | screw real player |
| 20:03.07 | End | Iriel already pasted |
| 20:03.17 | Tem | vlc will play it |
| 20:03.18 | Tem | I hope |
| 20:04.08 | Kirkburn|sun | Fiiiinally: http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot0623062158591yt.jpg |
| 20:04.16 | Kirkburn|sun | Christ my laptop can be annoying |
| 20:04.45 | SinePi | funny name for a laptop |
| 20:04.51 | Kirkburn|sun | (what did you think I was doing, zenzelezz :P) |
| 20:05.11 | Kirkburn|sun | Yes. It's branded on the top, can't you see? |
| 20:05.37 | End | imageshack is slow |
| 20:07.19 | Kirkburn|sun | Yeah, very |
| 20:07.20 | zenzelezz | it's not just slow, it's amazingly slow |
| 20:07.41 | Kirkburn|sun | At least it's not my laptop then :) |
| 20:08.47 | Kaso | Imageshack sucks :> |
| 20:08.50 | End | no, your laptop is slow too, because I decree it to be so |
| 20:10.13 | zenzelezz | so what's the difference between "Apply" and "Done"? Does both save the currently selected values? |
| 20:10.49 | Kirkburn|sun | Not really sure =) |
| 20:11.03 | Kirkburn|sun | Apply reloads the ui, done just closes the window |
| 20:11.46 | zenzelezz | if I was using a slider with lots of possible values (scale), I'd be annoyed if I didn't have a "don't save" button, since it can be hard to hit the same value as you had before on a slider (unless it only has a few possible values) |
| 20:12.12 | Kirkburn|sun | It's not finished or anything |
| 20:12.18 | zenzelezz | messy sentence that was |
| 20:12.33 | Kirkburn|sun | I'm working off the fontabulous code atm (it completely rips from me, so I rip from it) |
| 20:12.54 | Tain | Very insectuous. |
| 20:12.57 | Legorol | Who in here likes WoW videos? |
| 20:12.59 | Kirkburn|sun | I got ClearFont from FT in the first place, so it just goes back and forth |
| 20:13.08 | Legorol | Well, in case you haven't seen it yet, download and watch this puppy: |
| 20:13.08 | Legorol | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=22608 |
| 20:13.13 | Legorol | Tales of the Past II |
| 20:13.27 | Legorol | It is by far the best WoW movie video I have ever seen, and I have watched a lot |
| 20:13.29 | Cairenn | Incest ... the game the whole family can play! |
| 20:13.40 | Legorol | lol Cairenn |
| 20:13.52 | Legorol | Cairenn: do you like WoW videos? |
| 20:13.53 | Tain | Just ask the royal families of Europe. |
| 20:13.59 | Cairenn | aye |
| 20:14.04 | Cairenn | already downloading |
| 20:14.07 | Legorol | good good |
| 20:14.11 | Legorol | it has totally blown my mind |
| 20:14.45 | Legorol | well it depends a bit on whether you like Hollywood movies ;-) |
| 20:14.56 | Legorol | but this one is in the same class: |
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| 20:15.18 | Legorol | lots of action, nice special effects, awesome musical score, reasonable (and some cases quite good) acting and voiceovers |
| 20:15.29 | Legorol | and the storyline is not bad either ;-) |
| 20:15.44 | Tain | Is it as good as... |
| 20:15.48 | Tain | ~for porn |
| 20:15.49 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 20:15.54 | Legorol | Tain: that one is comedy |
| 20:15.59 | Legorol | i'd say yes, it's as good as that |
| 20:16.01 | Legorol | if not better |
| 20:16.04 | Legorol | hard to directly compare though |
| 20:16.16 | Legorol | but if i had to rank them, i'd rank this one higher |
| 20:16.30 | Legorol | simply because of the sheer scale and amount of effort that must've gone into making it |
| 20:16.38 | Tain | Don't cry for me Azeroth |
| 20:16.43 | Legorol | lol |
| 20:16.48 | Legorol | i haven't seen that one |
| 20:22.31 | Kirkburn|sun | Enough coding for today, time for food and to level my lil' gnome |
| 20:22.56 | Cairenn | hehehe, have fun Kirkburn|sun |
| 20:23.40 | Kirkburn|nosun | Thanks =) |
| 20:35.26 | Industrial | Darnit |
| 20:35.35 | Industrial | I hate it when you are moving shit across the screen |
| 20:35.45 | Industrial | and you just cant get it pixel perfect |
| 20:36.04 | Tain | That's what Visor is for. |
| 20:36.08 | Industrial | say I have 2 frames and if i move them both up by 1 pixel by offset the 1 pixel place between them is gone |
| 20:36.12 | Industrial | no its a wow bug |
| 20:36.37 | Industrial | Im using SetPoint() |
| 20:37.04 | Thrae | Is there a very simple mod which lets you bind keys to your two Trinket slots? |
| 20:37.22 | Iriel | Is the '1 pixel gap' scale-adjusted to your native resolution? |
| 20:37.44 | Industrial | I dont know... |
| 20:37.45 | Mikk1 | Industrial: The viewport is scaled by ~0.90ish by default |
| 20:37.55 | Mikk1 | Which means that 10% of the time, your 1 pixel difference won't show |
| 20:37.56 | Industrial | I have it on 0.64 |
| 20:38.00 | Iriel | The viewport is scaled so that it's 768 pixels high |
| 20:38.06 | Iriel | It's entirely resolution dependent |
| 20:38.09 | Mikk1 | Err cough yea |
| 20:38.11 | Iriel | The 'ui scale' is on top of that |
| 20:38.20 | Industrial | hmmm |
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| 20:38.37 | Industrial | Let me try not using UI scale then |
| 20:38.42 | Industrial | but everything will be so big :( |
| 20:38.45 | Industrial | http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4075/wowscrnshot0623062233458fc.jpg |
| 20:38.47 | JoshBorke | lol Industrial |
| 20:38.56 | Industrial | in this case the gap in the lower right between the frmes was gone |
| 20:40.09 | Mikk1 | Either way Iriel is right. If your viewport is larger than 1024x768, it'll still bite you in the arse |
| 20:40.18 | Iriel | Or smaller, for that matter |
| 20:41.01 | Mikk1 | Beh. Everything looks shit smaller than 1024x768 either way =) |
| 20:44.10 | Thrae | Is there a way to use frame information of a macro's action bar slot button from within the function / script it calls? |
| 20:44.48 | Iriel | I'm not sure, 'this' might have the right value |
| 20:44.59 | Iriel | but I fear it will be the value of the chat frame |
| 20:45.07 | Iriel | or the chat frame edit box |
| 20:45.52 | End | this would probably work, since the button is what got the event...? |
| 20:46.00 | Thrae | Hmmm |
| 20:46.01 | End | erm |
| 20:46.02 | End | script |
| 20:46.05 | Iriel | Yes, but the chat frame is what processes the commands |
| 20:46.25 | End | yeah, but the chat frame isn't recieving anything via any of the Scripts |
| 20:46.26 | Thrae | Doing /script ace:print( tostring(this) ) in a macro gives me ChatFrame1's table |
| 20:46.37 | End | well |
| 20:46.38 | End | nvm then |
| 20:46.55 | Thrae | So does ChatFrame1:AddMessage |
| 20:47.40 | Thrae | So does /script local t = this ChatFrame1:AddMessage( tostring(t) ) |
| 20:51.44 | Thrae | So I'm left with scanning all action bar slots and finding the one which matches the macro. |
| 20:52.04 | End | so, does it just simulate enter the text and pressing enter for each line? |
| 20:52.13 | End | I'm wondering how it works. |
| 20:54.39 | JoshBorke | ( End ): yes, the macro's just get sent to the chat frame |
| 20:54.44 | JoshBorke | you can see them in yoru history :D |
| 20:54.52 | End | hmmm |
| 20:55.01 | End | well, that would explain why this is set to that |
| 20:56.27 | End | oh |
| 20:56.43 | End | actually, it is an event |
| 20:57.10 | End | "EXECUTE_CHAT_LINE" |
| 21:02.14 | Industrial | http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/575/wowscrnshot0623062301161ru.jpg |
| 21:02.15 | Industrial | g0t ugly? |
| 21:13.09 | Beladona | be back shortly, must go home, and get dinner |
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| 21:24.43 | Arog | hey |
| 21:27.29 | wereHamster | can someone please tell slouken that when a frame position is saved as 0,0 in layout-cache.txt it is ignored when the UI loads? Maybe 0,0 means uninitialized and WoW ignores it. |
| 21:28.59 | wereHamster | this is the entry in layout-cache.txt: http://wow.pastecode.com/622 .. but the frame TargetRange always appears in its default position |
| 21:31.25 | Ktron | I think it's time to make another simple addon |
| 21:31.28 | Legorol | wereHamster: how about setting it to 1,1 |
| 21:31.39 | Ktron | Is there already a 'chat history' addon? |
| 21:31.49 | Legorol | well, the default UI does have a form of chat history |
| 21:31.55 | Ktron | it does? |
| 21:31.56 | wereHamster | that's an option.. but I want my frame in the very top left corner ;) |
| 21:31.57 | Legorol | if by chat history you mean being able to see the lines you typed already |
| 21:32.10 | End | damn ye pesky C stack overflows! |
| 21:32.20 | Legorol | but it's implemented in an unconventional way, so there are some chat history addons that reimplement it |
| 21:32.26 | Ktron | No, I'm thinking a history of whispers, /p, /raid, etc |
| 21:32.29 | Legorol | Ktron, yeah, press Alt+Up or Alt+Down |
| 21:32.32 | Legorol | yeah it's all there |
| 21:32.36 | Legorol | every single line you typed |
| 21:32.41 | Ktron | No, I don't mean what I typed |
| 21:32.48 | Ktron | I mean something that will last between sessions |
| 21:32.55 | Ktron | or through reloadui's |
| 21:32.56 | Legorol | ok, then what about /chatlog |
| 21:33.12 | Ktron | If that command exists, then that's probably what I mean |
| 21:33.38 | Ktron | checking |
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| 21:33.59 | Ktron | Legorol, if I log chat, does it show up next time I logged on? |
| 21:34.38 | Ktron | or does /chatlog just save the chat to a text file for after WoW reference? |
| 21:34.51 | Legorol | it just saves to text file |
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| 21:34.57 | Legorol | it does save guild/whispers etc. |
| 21:35.26 | Legorol | doing something that saves that data then reloads it back in across sessions may not be a good idea |
| 21:35.33 | Legorol | but if you want one, of course you can code one ;-) |
| 21:35.36 | Ktron | I'm thinking like an addon that saves the last 10 or so /w /g /o /p /r or user channel messages, so that if you are disconnected when you log on it'll show those last 10 to you, or if you reload your ui, it'll redisplay those last 10 |
| 21:35.48 | Legorol | i see |
| 21:36.01 | Legorol | yah that sounds like a good idea |
| 21:36.09 | Legorol | i don't think it exists yet |
| 21:36.16 | Ktron | awesome, project #2 for me |
| 21:36.28 | Ktron | should be significantly easier than the other ones |
| 21:36.29 | Legorol | but i must warn you, i am bad at what addons exist ;-) |
| 21:36.42 | Ktron | Well, if I'm remaking another addon, oh well |
| 21:36.51 | Ktron | It's not going to be a huge time commitment to make anyway |
| 21:37.25 | AnduinLothar | ChatCOpy already does that |
| 21:37.44 | AnduinLothar | making it save accress sessions is cake |
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| 21:38.04 | Ktron | ChatCopy? I'll have to look it up and see |
| 21:38.22 | Swimming_ | where's a good place to go to learn how to start making addons? |
| 21:40.22 | AnduinLothar | speaking of which, did anyone ever hear back about the book writing or did he pick some other grp? |
| 21:46.15 | Fanook | Swimming: take a look at the link in the first post here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343760&p=1&tmp=1#post343760 |
| 21:47.08 | Fanook | Swimming: www.wowwiki.com is a good resource for the api docs, it also helps to find a relatively simple addon and look at the code |
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| 21:49.22 | Swimming_ | Fanook ya thats what i'm doing atm. in fact i'm trying to modify it so when i click it's frame i cast a spell |
| 21:49.41 | Thrae | GetContainerItemInfo doesn't seem to work. |
| 21:50.00 | Thrae | Errr |
| 21:50.08 | Thrae | I mean GetContainerItemCooldown. |
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| 21:53.20 | Abenadi | Someone was helping me earlier with triggering a script when the user clicks someone that was already targeted. He gave me a sample script using worldframe's onmousedown - |
| 21:53.23 | Abenadi | i tried using onclick or onmouseup instead but these don't appear to be valid |
| 21:54.13 | Abenadi | is there a mouse event that would fire -after- WoW's UI would have targeted using the click? |
| 21:55.42 | Legorol | anyone remember when 1.10 was? |
| 21:55.46 | Legorol | as in when did it come out? |
| 21:55.56 | End | march? |
| 21:57.16 | Fanook | yep, 3.28.06 |
| 22:00.13 | Fanook | Thrae: Looks to be working for me |
| 22:04.23 | Abenadi | or... is there a way to get the unit the mouse is currently over? |
| 22:04.43 | End | well, you could use mouseover |
| 22:05.53 | Abenadi | i see now - i didn't realize mouseover was a valid 'unit' |
| 22:06.32 | End | does that make it a lot easier? :P |
| 22:06.42 | AnduinLothar | omg.. they just had to go and make the target buffs more complicated, didn't they |
| 22:06.43 | Abenadi | a decent bit : ) |
| 22:06.47 | End | hehe |
| 22:07.17 | Abenadi | AnduinLothar: ? |
| 22:07.41 | AnduinLothar | they added a crap load of code for colision with the targetoftarget frame |
| 22:08.00 | AnduinLothar | that stupid function is over 100 line snow |
| 22:08.03 | Abenadi | o |
| 22:08.14 | Thrae | start,duration,enable = GetContainerItemCooldown(bag,slot) if enable then CooldownFrame_SetTimer( getglobal(frame), start, duration, enable ) end <-- this doesn't work for updating the cooldown on an action bar occupied by a macro |
| 22:08.34 | AnduinLothar | why couldn't they just find a different place for the tot... |
| 22:09.05 | AnduinLothar | that's cause it's total durration, not time left |
| 22:09.11 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 22:09.17 | AnduinLothar | meh, ignore me |
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| 22:11.54 | Swimming_ | anyone willing to help a newbie with some retardedly simple questions? |
| 22:12.27 | wereHamster | just ask.. don't ask whether you can ask.. |
| 22:12.39 | Thrae | The only stupid question is one left unasked. |
| 22:12.57 | AnduinLothar | i dunno, i think asking to ask is fairly stupid |
| 22:13.07 | Swimming_ | you know the internet |
| 22:13.12 | Thrae | Well, asking to ask means your question is not asked yet ;) |
| 22:13.15 | Swimming_ | people get pissed if you ask dumb questsions all the time |
| 22:13.17 | AnduinLothar | internet, what's that? |
| 22:13.19 | End | actually, we don't know the internet |
| 22:13.24 | Swimming_ | ok i'm modifiing an addon and i was wondering how i can call a function from the main lua with mouceclick |
| 22:14.11 | AnduinLothar | unfortunetly that' snot retartedly simple |
| 22:14.35 | Thrae | One more hidden "feature" that I have no idea why they did this for Patch 1.11 --> You can no longer do chained flights using the free Moonglade Flightpath (not the non-free one) |
| 22:14.50 | End | Thrae: I noticed that too |
| 22:15.31 | Thrae | One of the reasons I love being a Druid is "Bind at Ironforge and use Moonglade elsewhere" |
| 22:15.54 | End | well, I just go to the costly one, but then again I'm a tauren druid |
| 22:16.01 | End | going to thunderbluff is often out of my way |
| 22:16.18 | End | (well, ok, it's not costly, but it's the non-free one) |
| 22:16.22 | Thrae | Yeah, I had a Tauren Druid, I was bound in Badlands and used Moonglade for Orgrimmar |
| 22:16.45 | End | lately I tend to have my hearth in GG though |
| 22:16.56 | End | can fly to kargath or take zepp to org |
| 22:17.01 | End | or go to ZG |
| 22:17.09 | Iriel | Swimming_ : What do you mean by 'call a function from the main lua with a mouseclick' |
| 22:17.14 | Iriel | What function? where are you clicking? |
| 22:17.15 | End | and I have a gnomish teleporter so I can just teleport |
| 22:17.48 | Thrae | To Winterspring, right? |
| 22:18.12 | End | no, tanaris |
| 22:18.16 | End | I can go to moonglade anyways |
| 22:18.24 | Thrae | Ah, got them mixed up |
| 22:18.28 | End | ah yeah |
| 22:18.35 | Thrae | Goblin = Winterspring |
| 22:18.40 | End | yea |
| 22:19.46 | Thrae | I love being a Druid with Engineering |
| 22:20.00 | Thrae | Immune to MC w/ MC Cap ftw! |
| 22:20.41 | End | wait, are you talking about preventing backfires? |
| 22:20.45 | End | if so, am I stupid? |
| 22:21.40 | Swimming_ | Iriel: i'm modifiing a n existing addon with one frame |
| 22:21.40 | Thrae | Yes, you are immune to being Mind Control'd while in a Feral Form |
| 22:22.01 | Swimming_ | and i wanna call a function which will cast a spell by clicking on that frame |
| 22:22.06 | End | I guess I didn't realize I could even use it in feral form |
| 22:22.17 | Thrae | You can use all Trinkets in your Feral Form |
| 22:22.27 | End | hmm, that was a recent change though, wasn't it? |
| 22:22.41 | Thrae | Probably, but I never saw it on the patch notes |
| 22:22.48 | Thrae | I just noticed this in WSG one day |
| 22:22.49 | End | I think it was 1.10 |
| 22:22.57 | Thrae | "Hey, I can shrink, net, MC, etc. people while in Feral!" |
| 22:23.12 | End | goddammit, I wish I would have realized that |
| 22:23.16 | Thrae | Very awesome change. |
| 22:23.32 | Thrae | Also, your Corporal Trinket works in Feral too, that was probably the main reason for the change |
| 22:24.30 | End | well |
| 22:24.30 | End | you can shift out of most effects that the trinket handles |
| 22:24.30 | End | er, by shift out I mean |
| 22:24.31 | End | you can shift out freely, but still be under the effect |
| 22:24.32 | Thrae | Use: Dispels all Charm, Fear, and Stun effects. |
| 22:24.35 | Shadowed | it's risky to do so though |
| 22:25.00 | End | yes, leaving bear form can be dangerous to one's health |
| 22:25.01 | Thrae | Oh, yeah, you can shift WHILE in the effect, but if you're a Bear PvP like me (since I'm Feral), it was a HUGE risk |
| 22:25.25 | Thrae | It's like a Paladin switching from Plate to Healadin Cloth + Shield |
| 22:25.37 | End | I always shift, and then go, wtf, why did I do that? because I never wear my trinket |
| 22:25.42 | Iriel | Swimming_ : You need to make the frame a button, or put a transparent button on top of it, with your spell cast in its OnClick |
| 22:26.02 | Thrae | I always wear the trinket in BGs, unless it's cooling down |
| 22:26.38 | Thrae | Progress: "You have an open ticket. Wait time currently unavailable." |
| 22:26.43 | Mikk1 | Ktron: Very good idea. I've been meaning to do it for the longest time but never got around to it |
| 22:27.03 | Ktron | Mikk1, hopefully before the end of tomorrow there will be such an addon |
| 22:27.14 | Thrae | What are you talking about? The "Catch the Dupers!" addon? |
| 22:28.31 | Swimming_ | Iriel: i think it already is, the xml file already has an onclick in it for the purposes of moving the frame |
| 22:28.43 | wereHamster | ui.. there's this new nice /raidinfo window :) |
| 22:29.54 | Swimming_ | Iriel: sorry its not a mouseclick it's "onmousedown" and "onmouseup" |
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| 22:32.00 | Iriel | I was very specific |
| 22:32.03 | Iriel | You have to use OnClick |
| 22:32.08 | Iriel | you cannot use OnMouseDown |
| 22:32.34 | zenzelezz | Swimming_: do not question The Iriel ;) |
| 22:33.28 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 22:33.29 | Industrial | _o_ |
| 22:33.31 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 22:33.32 | Industrial | _o_ |
| 22:34.15 | AnduinLothar | jumping jacks? |
| 22:34.56 | zenzelezz | Jumping Jackson! (now that was a fun game) |
| 22:35.30 | Swimming_ | kk thanks. i'll start trying to make that button |
| 22:35.32 | Iriel | Swimming_ : Most people do 'moveing' in OnMouse down |
| 22:35.51 | Iriel | Swimming_ : 'moving', even... Since moving a frame doesn't require a hardware event |
| 22:38.22 | Legorol | <3 FP in Ratchet |
| 22:38.26 | Legorol | so hilarious |
| 22:38.33 | Legorol | [spoiler warning, close your ears] |
| 22:38.42 | Legorol | It's one Flight Master for both factions... a Goblin! |
| 22:38.44 | Legorol | what a genius |
| 22:38.58 | Legorol | I take it this is the only place in the game where this is so? |
| 22:39.19 | zenzelezz | is he Steamwheedle? |
| 22:39.24 | Legorol | no, Ratchet |
| 22:39.37 | Legorol | ehm.. actually, i am not sure |
| 22:39.38 | zenzelezz | I thought Ratchet was Steamwheedle-run |
| 22:40.07 | zenzelezz | Ratchet, Booty Bay, Gadgetzan, Everlook IIRC |
| 22:40.31 | zenzelezz | if so then all those places ought to have common flight master |
| 22:41.41 | Swimming_ | its a little unclear, does a button go in the backdrop or in the frame? |
| 22:42.10 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.11 | Industrial | nay |
| 22:42.27 | Industrial | 'allah is great' |
| 22:42.43 | zenzelezz | looked more like "hey, look at me!" |
| 22:42.48 | Fanook | Swimming: a button is a type of frame, iirc |
| 22:43.14 | Legorol | Fanook is correct |
| 22:43.45 | Legorol | a Button is a top-level element, so it's either directly in the XML, or inside the <Frames> tag of another top-level element |
| 22:44.34 | Legorol | Button is identical to a Frame, except it can have an <OnClick> Scripts element |
| 22:44.45 | Legorol | and it has some widget API methods to go with it, such as RegisterForClicks |
| 22:45.00 | Legorol | therefore in and of itself, a Button doesn't have any kind of looks for example |
| 22:45.04 | Industrial | oh |
| 22:45.05 | Industrial | cool |
| 22:45.10 | Industrial | just what i need |
| 22:45.11 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:45.57 | Legorol | well there are a few other things peculiar to Buttons that Frames don't have |
| 22:46.35 | Mikk1 | Like having a builtin text, and a couple of fonts |
| 22:46.40 | Mikk1 | But if you don't set em, no difference |
| 22:47.42 | Legorol | hey guys, Industrial has a secret to tell you, he is |
| 22:47.50 | Legorol | mmmppffh |
| 22:48.51 | Industrial | O:) |
| 22:49.51 | Ktron | It appears Legorol died a century ago |
| 22:50.05 | Industrial | bahamas* |
| 22:50.38 | Legorol | oops, that's the wrong word |
| 22:50.42 | Abenadi | so... |
| 22:50.53 | Abenadi | onMouseDown in worldframe seems to be called twice with every mousedown event? |
| 22:50.54 | Industrial | so what? |
| 22:50.55 | Ktron | Legorol, s/slander/launder/ ? |
| 22:51.03 | Legorol | noooooooo, i just killed a timbermaw furbolg |
| 22:51.08 | End | haha |
| 22:51.10 | AnduinLothar | once for down, once for up |
| 22:51.32 | Legorol | why does it suddenly make me hostile towards them? |
| 22:51.32 | Abenadi | can I distinguish so I only call my function once? |
| 22:51.45 | Legorol | are these timbermaw furbolgs important or something |
| 22:51.50 | Legorol | i didn't realise they were a faction |
| 22:51.57 | Legorol | wasn't in my reputation page yet |
| 22:51.59 | End | you can get recipes and crap from them |
| 22:52.05 | Fanook | they control the caves to moonglade |
| 22:52.12 | End | that too |
| 22:52.14 | AnduinLothar | oh ic you said OnMouseDown |
| 22:52.17 | Abenadi | and actually no, it appears to call it twice on the "down" action |
| 22:52.30 | AnduinLothar | that's odd |
| 22:53.28 | Abenadi | yeah |
| 22:55.07 | Legorol | Fanook: what caves |
| 22:56.12 | zenzelezz | the tunnels between Feralas, Moonglade and Winterspring |
| 22:56.38 | Legorol | ehm.. there are tunnels? |
| 22:56.40 | Legorol | cool |
| 22:56.46 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 22:56.48 | Mikk1 | follow the road north |
| 22:56.52 | zenzelezz | to the far noth of Feralas |
| 22:56.55 | zenzelezz | *north |
| 22:56.58 | Mikk1 | felwood |
| 22:57.00 | Mikk1 | not feralas |
| 22:57.04 | zenzelezz | oops |
| 22:57.16 | zenzelezz | I get those confused still, how embarrassing |
| 22:57.20 | Iriel | Abenadi : What do you base that on? and did you hook it twice? |
| 22:57.25 | zenzelezz | too much time in Ironforge I guess |
| 22:57.32 | Wobin | Legorol: How did you get to Winterspring? |
| 22:57.52 | Mikk1 | too many helpful warlock around =P |
| 22:57.54 | Mikk1 | warlocks |
| 22:58.01 | Wobin | cheating =P |
| 22:58.01 | Legorol | Wobin: i didn't yet |
| 22:58.06 | Wobin | ah |
| 22:58.21 | Wobin | I made it through as a level 49 with a helpful priest running behind and shielding me =P |
| 22:58.26 | Legorol | i'm going to have to go soon though, from what i hear that's the only way to Moonglade, and i have a quest that sends me there |
| 22:58.37 | Legorol | ehm.. what are you talking about? |
| 22:58.38 | Wobin | Legorol: Or you could wait til the moon festival =P |
| 22:58.48 | zenzelezz | unless you're a druid that is the only way |
| 22:58.51 | Legorol | why do you need a priest to go to winterspring? |
| 22:59.02 | Wobin | Well, I'm not neutral with the furbolgs |
| 22:59.09 | Wobin | so they attack me if I go through the tunnels |
| 22:59.13 | Legorol | what does that have to do with going to winterspring |
| 22:59.26 | Mikk1 | unless you cheat, you need to use the tunnels |
| 22:59.26 | Wobin | The tunnels lead from felwood to Moonglade and Winterspring |
| 22:59.28 | Legorol | is the tunnel the only way? |
| 22:59.31 | Wobin | yes |
| 22:59.33 | Legorol | ahh |
| 22:59.35 | Legorol | hold on.. |
| 22:59.36 | Wobin | apart from summonses |
| 22:59.36 | Legorol | but |
| 22:59.36 | Iriel | Because the quest to get friendly with the furbolgs requires you be a hefty level |
| 22:59.43 | Legorol | hold on a second |
| 22:59.50 | Legorol | i start hostile with these furbolgs.. |
| 22:59.54 | Mikk1 | no |
| 22:59.55 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 22:59.55 | Legorol | and they inhabit the only path to moonglade? |
| 22:59.59 | zenzelezz | well, not hostile |
| 23:00.01 | Mikk1 | you start unfriendly |
| 23:00.04 | Mikk1 | or something |
| 23:00.09 | Legorol | i am hostile |
| 23:00.10 | Mikk1 | they attack you |
| 23:00.10 | zenzelezz | you need to get Neutral, which isn't very hard |
| 23:00.10 | Wobin | unfriendly |
| 23:00.14 | Iriel | Legorol : Yes |
| 23:00.23 | Iriel | Legorol : There's only one way in, and it's through those tunnels |
| 23:00.25 | Wobin | it just takes killing a few of the Evil Furbolgs |
| 23:00.31 | Legorol | i just killed a furbolg, the first one in my life |
| 23:00.33 | Fanook | prolly start at the edge of hostile/unfriendly, so killing one drops you down |
| 23:00.34 | zenzelezz | well fine... you need to improve your faction a bit ;) But there are quests for it in Felwood |
| 23:00.35 | Legorol | made me immediately hostile to them |
| 23:00.38 | zenzelezz | (got the name right!) |
| 23:00.38 | Mikk1 | suggest the ones in southern felwood |
| 23:00.45 | Mikk1 | they're 47ish |
| 23:00.47 | Mikk1 | iirc |
| 23:00.49 | Legorol | but still |
| 23:00.53 | Legorol | if they are hostile.. |
| 23:00.57 | Legorol | how will i ever get to moonglade |
| 23:01.01 | Legorol | this sounds like a catch 22 |
| 23:01.02 | Iriel | There's one that isn't, that gives you a quest |
| 23:01.08 | Mikk1 | there's furballs in felwood that you can kill |
| 23:01.13 | Iriel | you kill their enemies, they give you faction |
| 23:01.14 | Mikk1 | it ups your rep with the timbermaws |
| 23:01.16 | Iriel | Until they dont hate you anymore |
| 23:01.26 | Legorol | oki |
| 23:01.27 | Iriel | then you can just walk through the tunnel |
| 23:01.36 | Legorol | so, then, how come i'm at 2475/3000 rep, having killed one? |
| 23:01.43 | Legorol | i checked the combat log, it said i lost 25 rep |
| 23:01.46 | Legorol | so i must've started at 2500 |
| 23:01.51 | End | there are two non-hostile furbolgs in felwood now it looks like |
| 23:01.54 | Legorol | still well within the hostile range |
| 23:01.55 | Wobin | maybe that's standard |
| 23:01.57 | End | one near the gate |
| 23:02.00 | End | and one way south |
| 23:02.21 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Semantics are a bit unimportant. They start out being your enemies. You need to prove yourself worthy by killing a bunch of their enemies. |
| 23:02.31 | Mikk1 | easy as that =) |
| 23:02.53 | Fanook | *shrug* i'm only in the low-mid 40's, so i haven't gone near felwood in quite a while |
| 23:04.16 | Legorol | Mikk1: ok but someone said that i start out unfriendly |
| 23:04.22 | Legorol | so that's not correct then? |
| 23:04.24 | Mikk1 | Yea prolly me |
| 23:04.34 | Mikk1 | Ohwait |
| 23:04.38 | Mikk1 | Start hostile, become unfriendly |
| 23:04.38 | zenzelezz | whatever you start at you need to improve one "step" |
| 23:04.49 | Iriel | 2 steps |
| 23:04.52 | Mikk1 | 1 |
| 23:04.54 | Iriel | you get the first step for the first hand-in |
| 23:05.08 | Iriel | then you have to repeat a few times for the next |
| 23:05.09 | Iriel | IIRC |
| 23:05.18 | Legorol | afaik, unfriendly creatures don't attack you on sight |
| 23:05.21 | End | I don't think so |
| 23:05.24 | Legorol | so i just need to be unfriendly, right? |
| 23:05.24 | Mikk1 | Legorol: correct |
| 23:05.26 | End | and unfriendly won't attack you |
| 23:05.26 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 23:05.32 | End | my druid is still only unfriendly |
| 23:05.35 | Legorol | yeah, so you start hostile, and you improve to unfriendly |
| 23:05.45 | AnduinLothar | this buff wrapping really hurts my head |
| 23:05.47 | Legorol | at least it appears to me i started at 2500/3000 in the hostile category |
| 23:06.06 | Mikk1 | Which would mean you'd have to kill about 100 furballs. Sounds about right. |
| 23:06.13 | Mikk1 | Or mix in turning in the quest a couple of times |
| 23:06.16 | Legorol | Iriel, this observation seems to contradict your statement that the first hand in improves you one category |
| 23:06.37 | Mikk1 | (When I did it last, the quest NPC was at the far end of the zone. Running back and forth to him to get the quest rep was less efficient than just staying down south and killing) |
| 23:06.50 | End | they added another npc it appears |
| 23:06.57 | Mikk1 | yeah |
| 23:07.27 | Iriel | Legorol : It's been some time since I did this one, so I could easily be wrong |
| 23:08.59 | Legorol | Iriel: you wrong? never :) |
| 23:09.04 | Legorol | it must be my sensory inputs instead |
| 23:09.23 | Legorol | but anyway.. |
| 23:09.25 | End | definitely the inputs |
| 23:09.31 | Legorol | so you guys are saying that to get to Moonglade, |
| 23:09.37 | Legorol | i first need to improve my rep with the furbolgs |
| 23:09.46 | Legorol | but i have a level 51 quest that needs me to go to Moonglade |
| 23:09.47 | End | to get to moonglade without running past and probably dying |
| 23:09.48 | Legorol | sounds like catch 22 |
| 23:10.16 | Iriel | At 51 you can do it |
| 23:10.25 | Iriel | You may need help |
| 23:10.32 | Iriel | Nobody said it would be easy 8-) |
| 23:10.47 | Iriel | Well, Mikk1 did, but I think he meant "straightforward" |
| 23:10.59 | Legorol | yay, a challenging quest at last then! |
| 23:11.09 | Legorol | most quests are not challenging if you do them at their level ;-) |
| 23:12.06 | Shadowed | Wheres the fun in that |
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| 23:16.56 | AnduinLothar | it's so much more fun doing red quests |
| 23:17.08 | Shadowed | yes it is |
| 23:17.51 | zenzelezz | depends... I like to solo quests, and red usually means dead for me in those cases |
| 23:28.24 | Legorol | ehm.. is it just me, or we have a new looting feature |
| 23:28.30 | Legorol | the amount of items looted is now reported |
| 23:28.33 | Legorol | e.g. [Solid Stone]x3 |
| 23:28.42 | Fanook | yeah, i like it |
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| 23:28.59 | Legorol | now if only we could have auto-loot, we'd be all set! |
| 23:29.09 | Legorol | actually... that's something i'm going to suggest to slouken |
| 23:29.12 | Fanook | shift-click, my friend :) |
| 23:29.16 | Legorol | now that we have all the Lua protection in place, |
| 23:29.18 | Legorol | i know, but still |
| 23:29.36 | Legorol | i don't see the reason why they can't make the looting API functions simply hardware event dependent |
| 23:29.58 | Legorol | you have to remember the auto-loot protection went in before any of this hardware event malarchy, way back in beta |
| 23:30.07 | Fanook | yeah |
| 23:30.13 | SilverShadow | I remember that |
| 23:30.22 | Legorol | I think it's deprecated |
| 23:30.32 | Legorol | and it's now safe to have API functions for looting, which require hardware event |
| 23:30.49 | Legorol | actually, hm |
| 23:31.16 | Legorol | yeah, so here's what i'm thinking |
| 23:31.26 | Legorol | an API function that does something like LootCorpse() |
| 23:31.36 | Legorol | you can call this whenever you want, but it needs a hardware event, AND |
| 23:31.47 | Legorol | it will only do anything useful if you are mousing over a dead body |
| 23:31.54 | Legorol | essentially the same thing as shift+r-click |
| 23:32.10 | Legorol | mm |
| 23:32.19 | Legorol | no, still not quite good |
| 23:32.24 | Legorol | it's not the same as what we have now.. |
| 23:33.25 | SilverShadow | It's quite possible it's working just how they want. Having a set two key combo means someone can't just have a joystick set on 'auto' or some such.. |
| 23:33.42 | SilverShadow | at least not without some major workarounds. |
| 23:34.17 | Iriel | Legorol : Can you think of any feature that needs to be 'enabled' that way which doesn't seem to counter their existing desires? |
| 23:34.45 | SilverShadow | For me.. my experience has shown that auto looting really only helps farming. I've had friends accidently ninja stuff because they use shit-click. |
| 23:35.34 | ckknight | hey, in an XML file, can you specify a <script> in a subdirectory? |
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| 23:36.30 | Iriel | Yes, but why put scripts into xml? |
| 23:36.35 | Iriel | I feel that .toc is the better place for them |
| 23:36.44 | Iriel | (and yes, you can put subdirectories there too) |
| 23:36.59 | ckknight | but I'm trying to do it with xml. |
| 23:37.19 | ckknight | it loads a lot of lua files |
| 23:39.23 | Iriel | The answer's yes in both cases anyway, in XML files ithe paths will be relative to the XML file |
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| 23:42.21 | Legorol | ok, why can't i unbind BUTTON2 from TURNORACTION? |
| 23:43.28 | Legorol | I'm trying SetBinding("BUTTON2") to clear the binding for BUTTON2 |
| 23:43.36 | Legorol | it seems to stay bound to TURNORACTION |
| 23:43.49 | Legorol | Iriel: I'm thinking of some things about looting, for example |
| 23:43.59 | Legorol | it's annoying that the loot window momentarily pops up on shift+rclick right now |
| 23:44.28 | Legorol | also, if we were allowed to have a LootAll API call then you could add a button to the loot window that loots them all after you had a look at it |
| 23:45.21 | Legorol | also, if the loot button's looting behaviour wasn't internal to C, you could do things like |
| 23:45.40 | Legorol | you can loot when the mouse enters, or if you press 1 for item 1 on the list etc. |
| 23:46.24 | zenzelezz | what's wrong with using the mouse? |
| 23:46.46 | Legorol | there is nothing worng with it, but the whole idea of UI customization is you know different preferences and customization ;-) |
| 23:47.30 | Legorol | Iriel: currently you can't develop alternative displays for the items that are in the loot window |
| 23:47.34 | Legorol | you have to use a LootButton |
| 23:47.39 | Legorol | you can't have for example a text list |
| 23:47.49 | Legorol | where the entries are clickable etc. |
| 23:48.41 | Legorol | btw, there is a little enigma i was always meaning to but never resolved: |
| 23:48.48 | Kaso | Ok this is driving me insane, ive got an macro that when used in a macro causes a chatframe.xml error but when just typed in doesnt |
| 23:49.09 | Legorol | you know how, if you try to loot a BoP item you get a warning window |
| 23:49.18 | Legorol | well, when you click the OK button on that, the item gets looted |
| 23:49.53 | Legorol | the code from StaticPopup.lua uses LootSlot(slot); call to perform the looting |
| 23:49.55 | zenzelezz | or you roll on it |
| 23:50.00 | Legorol | it somehow magically and miraculously works |
| 23:50.05 | Legorol | zenzelezz: that's not a looting action |
| 23:50.18 | Legorol | not in the sense of loot buttons |
| 23:50.20 | zenzelezz | you get the confirmation dialog when choosing the roll on a BoP |
| 23:50.28 | Legorol | yes, but it's a different one |
| 23:50.33 | Legorol | because you don't have the loot window up |
| 23:50.43 | Legorol | it looks the same for the user, but the underlying code is different |
| 23:51.58 | Legorol | so anyway, in that one place in the code, the LootSlot API call works |
| 23:52.01 | Legorol | nowhere else |
| 23:52.05 | Legorol | i always wondered how that's done |
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| 23:54.28 | Iriel | Legorol: You can avoid the momentary pop up by hiding or re-alphaing the window (delaying its show) |
| 23:54.42 | Legorol | Iriel: true |
| 23:54.44 | Iriel | LootSlot works perfectly, as it always has |
| 23:54.54 | Legorol | ehm.. it never has |
| 23:54.59 | Legorol | if called from an AddOn, does nothing |
| 23:55.00 | Legorol | never did |
| 23:55.12 | Iriel | LootSlot(slot) means "I confirm the looting of the slot that I clicked on and got a confirmation popup for" |
| 23:55.17 | Iriel | It does NOT mean "Loot this slot" |
| 23:55.22 | Iriel | It may be poorly named, but it's not broken |
| 23:55.31 | Legorol | ok, that's a matter of how you define that function |
| 23:55.36 | Iriel | That's WHAT IT DOEDS |
| 23:55.41 | Tem | Where is the fire festival in SW? |
| 23:55.46 | Legorol | ok let me rephrase, |
| 23:55.48 | Iriel | DOES, even. |
| 23:55.48 | Legorol | i know that's what it does |
| 23:55.54 | Tem | running around with no mount sucks |
| 23:56.15 | Iriel | Can you not make loot buttons invisible but clickable with SetAlpha? |
| 23:56.22 | Legorol | probably yes |
| 23:56.25 | Iriel | That'd solve your list problem |
| 23:56.46 | Fanook | SW fire festival is outside the Stockade |
| 23:56.51 | Legorol | i guess it just irritates me to have an action that is performed that is not inside the OnClick and OnMouseUp methods |
| 23:56.52 | Iriel | LootSlot would be better named as ConfirmLooting |
| 23:57.07 | Legorol | Iriel: LootSlot used to loot the slot |
| 23:57.14 | Legorol | so if you prefer, its functionality got changed |
| 23:57.30 | Legorol | it used to mean "Loot this slot" |
| 23:57.49 | Legorol | i beleive they just added a restriction on the C side |
| 23:58.09 | Legorol | i think this argument is pointless though ;-) |
| 23:58.19 | Iriel | Quite possibly it's functionality changed, but it's still not broken.. Perhaps this is a pet peeve of mine, but I'm overly annoyed when I see the slaim. |
| 23:58.31 | Legorol | i didn't say it's broken |
| 23:58.33 | Iriel | claim, bah, my typing is degenerating today. |
| 23:58.45 | Legorol | i just wondered what's the magic that makes it work only conditionally |
| 23:58.51 | Iriel | You said 'in that one place in the code the LootSlot API call works', that implies that it does NOT work elsewhere |
| 23:59.02 | Legorol | ok, true, i did say that |
| 23:59.04 | Iriel | The magic is that you've already clicked on the slot's LootButton, or done a loot all |
| 23:59.20 | Legorol | i guess that depends on what the interpretation of what LootSlot should do |
| 23:59.27 | Legorol | my interpretation has always been that it loots the slot |
| 23:59.36 | Tem | Fanook, thanks |
| 23:59.40 | Tem | now, how do I get the stam buff? |
| 23:59.43 | Legorol | and some magic stops it from working except in response to a request for confirmation |
| 23:59.50 | Legorol | this is just a different viewpoint, the endresult is the same |
