| 00:06.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esine (i=dbguy@tohveli.net) |
| 00:06.55 | Esine | anyone called Rosanne here? |
| 00:07.03 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 00:07.23 | Cairenn | Not a name I recall seeing at all, no |
| 00:07.31 | Wobin | Well one day she went upstairs, and came down a completely different person =( |
| 00:09.07 | Esine | it's Industrial, her/his WoW char's called Rosanne (on Eonar) |
| 00:09.12 | Esine | EU server |
| 00:11.13 | Kirkburn | Only at the weekend ;) |
| 00:12.10 | Wobin | And special request =P |
| 00:12.18 | Industrial | zomg |
| 00:12.19 | Industrial | >< |
| 00:12.23 | Industrial | yes she is! |
| 00:12.25 | Industrial | >P |
| 00:12.55 | Industrial | Esine: pm |
| 00:13.10 | Industrial | oh damn nickserv - work! |
| 00:13.28 | Wobin | Make sure you're sending your pass to the right NIckServ =P |
| 00:13.50 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:14.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge yammygirlcoding (n=hoho@17924061.rjo.virtua.com.br) |
| 00:14.29 | yammygirlcoding | good evening all ! |
| 00:14.36 | yammygirlcoding | anyone knows the coder Slartibartfast ? |
| 00:14.51 | yammygirlcoding | from Advanced Tradeskills Window? |
| 00:15.26 | yammygirlcoding | or actually use this addon ? |
| 00:15.40 | SinePi | I use this, sometimes. Why? |
| 00:15.53 | yammygirlcoding | have u seen the new version? |
| 00:16.10 | Legorol | wowhead launched, as a thottbott/alla competitor |
| 00:16.10 | Kirkburn | link? |
| 00:16.19 | Legorol | they offer a data gathering client... |
| 00:16.20 | yammygirlcoding | mine doesnt show the amounts next to the recipes like it used to ( fish [2/4/4] ) |
| 00:16.23 | Legorol | ... and it uploads WDB files |
| 00:16.38 | Legorol | they linked to a screenshot from US UI forum, advertising it |
| 00:16.40 | Legorol | great going |
| 00:16.50 | Kirkburn | very nice site |
| 00:17.11 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: I have v0.2, what's the newest one? |
| 00:17.24 | yammygirlcoding | 0.3.2 |
| 00:17.38 | cladhaire | i like the format. |
| 00:17.48 | yammygirlcoding | It looks great now, works fine, except for the numbers that wont show or error |
| 00:17.49 | Kirkburn | Who or what is wowhead exactly? |
| 00:17.59 | SinePi | odd. I'll have to look into it anyway. |
| 00:18.52 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi try it! it's very nice! except for the numbers which i need badly ! :[ |
| 00:19.22 | Legorol | Kirkburn: no idea. the site might be nice, but offering a client that violates the EULA isn't that smart |
| 00:19.27 | Wobin | I've used wowhead for the talent calculator |
| 00:19.45 | yammygirlcoding | anyone else there usin the Advanced Tradeskills Window 0.3.2 ? I'd like to see if the bug happens to someone else but me |
| 00:19.54 | Kirkburn | it violates it cause it takes info from the WDB? |
| 00:20.07 | cladhaire | WDB should just be cache, no? |
| 00:21.26 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: hmm. The description of the addon still claims it can queue items creation - which should be impossible with the 1.10 restrictions. Has the author worked around it somehow? |
| 00:21.35 | Legorol | Kirkburn: yes |
| 00:21.49 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 00:21.50 | Legorol | cladhaire: yes WDB is just cache, but it's a popular method of gaining additional data |
| 00:22.10 | Kirkburn | SinePi, iirc, it's mentioned that it's broken in the comments (on worldofwar) |
| 00:22.19 | Industrial | Legorol: nice! |
| 00:22.21 | cladhaire | *you don't gain additional data from the WDB cache files |
| 00:22.23 | Industrial | Legorol: my full support |
| 00:22.28 | cladhaire | Just data thats already been made available to you |
| 00:22.30 | Legorol | ehm... what? |
| 00:22.36 | Legorol | Industrial: support for what |
| 00:22.40 | Legorol | cladhaire: yes and no |
| 00:22.48 | Legorol | some of the data in WDB is not available via in-game API, afaik |
| 00:22.52 | Legorol | but i don't remember the details |
| 00:23.03 | Industrial | Legorol: adding content :-) |
| 00:23.06 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi the queue works fine. no errors. go figure! but the amounts next recipes just doesnt show |
| 00:23.26 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:24.01 | SinePi | One sufficient reason for me to get the new version, then. But, did the amounts get displayed correctly in the previous version? Or with the previous patch? |
| 00:24.19 | cladhaire | Legorol: Its no different than Curses methods =) |
| 00:24.22 | cladhaire | or Alla's for that matter |
| 00:24.30 | yammygirlcoding | the amounts worked fine before patch, and the queues didnt. now its the opposite! |
| 00:24.37 | Legorol | cladhaire: i don't know about Alla |
| 00:24.40 | SinePi | odd. |
| 00:24.46 | Legorol | i didn't know Curse collects in-game data |
| 00:25.04 | Legorol | all i know is all big sites are guilty of reverse engineering WDB/DBC files |
| 00:25.10 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi veeery odd! I'd like to see anyone testing . maybe the bug is with some another addon of me |
| 00:25.11 | Legorol | however, that's the site's problem |
| 00:25.21 | yammygirlcoding | anyone else there usin the Advanced Tradeskills Window 0.3.2 ? I'd like to see if the bug happens to someone else but me |
| 00:25.21 | cladhaire | *nod* but its all of them when it comes down to it =) |
| 00:25.25 | Legorol | that doesn't mean they should make a *client* which causes an end-user to violate the EULA |
| 00:25.31 | cladhaire | thottbot is the only one who scrapes exclusively still. |
| 00:25.34 | cladhaire | Legorol: Aye |
| 00:25.37 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: hmm. Perhaps I'll try to look into what's causing the error. But before that, I'll have to recode the bit that launches ATSW :> |
| 00:25.45 | Legorol | and more importantly, the users are not aware of this fact |
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| 00:25.56 | Legorol | it doesn't matter how benign the intention is, or how evil the competition |
| 00:26.11 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi u no need to recode. it works fine :) just the nunbers that doesnt show :) |
| 00:26.12 | cladhaire | Legorol: What dictates the WDB files as "EULA" breaking? |
| 00:26.14 | Legorol | making an EULA-violating client available without informing the user adequately is just bad |
| 00:26.17 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: see, I modified my v0.2 to only work if I ctrl-click the tradeskill icon. Otherwise, I use the standard window, just in case. I'll have to modify this one too :> |
| 00:26.22 | cladhaire | Legorol: It seems thats more interpretatino than anything. |
| 00:26.23 | yammygirlcoding | aaah |
| 00:26.30 | Legorol | cladhaire: i think it's very clear |
| 00:26.34 | yammygirlcoding | litle trick of yours :) |
| 00:26.37 | Legorol | data mining any client files is not allowed, full stop |
| 00:26.41 | Legorol | i think the EULA is pretty clear on this |
| 00:27.01 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi i guess its prety quick to add the ctrl thing. i guess :) for you :) |
| 00:27.13 | SinePi | Legorol: unpacking MPQ files would be just as illegal, then. |
| 00:27.15 | cladhaire | Legorol: I happen to agree, but there is language in the EULA that would say tooltip scraping and saving and compiling that informatino is also EULA breaking. |
| 00:27.15 | Legorol | Mikk1: no it doesn't, because they make exceptions for the UI |
| 00:27.20 | Legorol | SinePi: yes it is |
| 00:27.20 | Mikk1 | ah ok |
| 00:27.22 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol !I remember of you! :D |
| 00:27.23 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: I sure hope so. |
| 00:27.26 | Legorol | unpacking MPQs is against the EULA |
| 00:27.43 | Legorol | cladhaire: tooltips are a grey area |
| 00:27.51 | Legorol | i agree that you could interpret the EULA that way too |
| 00:27.56 | Legorol | but i think dbc/wdb is much clearer |
| 00:28.00 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi are u doin that right now? :) |
| 00:28.14 | SinePi | Legorol: even if they provide no documentation on framexml themselves, and writing addons is pretty much impossible without that? ^^; |
| 00:28.20 | Legorol | you also have to remember that what also matters (imho) is what we can perceive as Blizz's intention |
| 00:28.21 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: I am. |
| 00:28.32 | Legorol | they went along and added support to UI mods to save large quantities of data |
| 00:28.37 | cladhaire | Legorol: Well, you're not data mining with a WDB, you're just reading the data that is freely available.. just because they don't provide the format doesn't make it the "bad" kind |
| 00:28.39 | Legorol | (remember the CVar->SavedVar transition?) |
| 00:28.53 | Legorol | SinePi: they provide a tool that extracts the FrameXML files |
| 00:28.55 | cladhaire | the files within the MPQ's i agree are 100% clear |
| 00:29.24 | Legorol | cladhaire, i don't think reading a wdb is any different than extracting an MPQ and reading the files you find in there |
| 00:29.30 | Legorol | its the same category |
| 00:29.38 | Legorol | they provide no information for the format of either file type |
| 00:29.39 | cladhaire | Legorol: And all I'm saying is that's your interpretation =) I dont think its that cut and dry |
| 00:29.43 | cladhaire | but i agree with you on the principal |
| 00:29.54 | Legorol | i agree that it's not 100% cut and dry |
| 00:29.54 | cladhaire | Legorol: They also don't provide a Widget API yet we somehow discern that =) |
| 00:30.10 | Legorol | my personal interpretation is they did not intend wdb to be read |
| 00:30.12 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi love u :) |
| 00:30.21 | Legorol | cladhaire: they don't provide widget API, but they do allow us to scan for it |
| 00:30.30 | Legorol | purely via in-game API calls |
| 00:30.43 | cladhaire | I'm just playing devil's advocate |
| 00:30.46 | Legorol | in my interpretation, Blizz's approach is generally: in-game fine, out-of-game not fine |
| 00:30.49 | cladhaire | because literally.. everyone is doing it. |
| 00:30.50 | Legorol | cladhaire: yes i know |
| 00:30.59 | Legorol | i do know that too |
| 00:30.59 | cladhaire | I agree, that's my understanding as well |
| 00:31.05 | Legorol | i'm not naive, i know what the big sites do |
| 00:31.09 | cladhaire | i just don't think its as cut and dry as we'd like. |
| 00:31.20 | Legorol | i agree on that too |
| 00:31.29 | cladhaire | same as the model replacement fiasco |
| 00:31.30 | Legorol | as i said, the only thing i had problem with here is that the end-user is not getting to make an informed decision |
| 00:31.31 | cladhaire | never cut and dry |
| 00:31.33 | cladhaire | then we got an answer |
| 00:31.37 | Legorol | they did actually on that one |
| 00:31.42 | Legorol | several blue posts made it clear it's not allowed |
| 00:31.43 | cladhaire | After 6 months =) |
| 00:31.48 | Legorol | ok fair enough |
| 00:32.01 | Legorol | but even before that, the TOS was fairly clear on that, imho |
| 00:32.08 | Legorol | because it says you can't mod any files, except the UI |
| 00:32.09 | cladhaire | I agree, and maybe you should suggest to the WoWhead people that they include some sort of disclaimer. |
| 00:32.24 | cladhaire | no files were modified |
| 00:32.27 | Legorol | i know you can argue endlessly about that |
| 00:32.31 | cladhaire | they simply added files to the Data directory =) |
| 00:32.31 | Legorol | i was just going to say that ;-) |
| 00:32.33 | Legorol | but i think the intention was clear |
| 00:32.39 | Legorol | so i never had a problem with drawing a line |
| 00:32.52 | cladhaire | i don't either, but thats the problem with EULA, TOS.. intentino doesn't matter =) |
| 00:33.02 | Legorol | well.. that i disagree with |
| 00:33.03 | cladhaire | you can't say "Don't do what I don't want you to do" and make the user agree to it |
| 00:33.06 | Legorol | i think intention matters a lot |
| 00:33.13 | Legorol | because an EULA and TOS can never cover every case |
| 00:33.18 | cladhaire | thats the problem with legal documents |
| 00:33.21 | Legorol | but it can demonstrate a spirit |
| 00:33.23 | cladhaire | no, but it doesn't need to list them all either |
| 00:33.28 | Legorol | yes, and that's why we have courts |
| 00:33.36 | Legorol | because every legal document has holes |
| 00:33.37 | cladhaire | aah and what a horrible system they are =) |
| 00:33.48 | Legorol | hehe |
| 00:33.55 | Legorol | anyways, Blizz is different |
| 00:34.03 | Legorol | since they can ban you any time for any reason or no reason, |
| 00:34.11 | cladhaire | agreed |
| 00:34.12 | yammygirlcoding | lol |
| 00:34.21 | Legorol | i do think that paying attention to what they intend, as opposed to running the fine lines of the TOS, is a better idea |
| 00:34.30 | yammygirlcoding | i wouldnt risk hehe |
| 00:34.35 | Legorol | an argument like "but it doesn't exactly say this in the TOS" won't fly |
| 00:34.44 | Legorol | because Blizz just shrugs and says: "fine, but we ban you anyway" |
| 00:34.54 | cladhaire | I agree |
| 00:34.55 | yammygirlcoding | blizz do that: ban first, ask later.. |
| 00:34.57 | cladhaire | but it raises the question |
| 00:35.04 | cladhaire | then gets the tos/eula clarified in that case |
| 00:35.08 | Legorol | Blizz is judge, jury and executioner in one go |
| 00:35.08 | cladhaire | horrible process, but it works =) |
| 00:35.22 | Legorol | Blizz doesn't even have to be consistent in their decisions ;-) |
| 00:35.27 | Legorol | don't have to adhere to precedent |
| 00:35.37 | Legorol | lovely system, isn't it |
| 00:35.54 | Legorol | it's the worst of all dictatorical systems that have ever existed in human history, in a way |
| 00:35.58 | SinePi | the best is a yet different thing |
| 00:36.08 | cladhaire | and we pay to be a part of it =) |
| 00:36.12 | Legorol | aye |
| 00:36.24 | Cairenn | their world, their discretion - don't like it, don't play (not aimed at folks here, just general statement) |
| 00:36.25 | SinePi | they can ban you for NO reason at all, even if you didn't even think about bending any EULA rule |
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| 00:36.39 | Legorol | SinePi: that's correct |
| 00:36.45 | Legorol | but also, Blizzard are not total random idiots |
| 00:36.54 | SinePi | Cairenn: it's better. It's "don't like it - don't play but you'll still lose what you've paid for the month" :) |
| 00:36.56 | Legorol | they won't go around banning people randomly, unless they think those people are doing something naughty |
| 00:37.32 | Kirkburn | Now here's a question - wowmodelviewer and wowmapviewer are illegal too? |
| 00:37.35 | Legorol | Cairenn: did you like Tales of the Past 2? (or did i ask this already ;-)) |
| 00:37.49 | Legorol | Kirkburn: nothing is illegal |
| 00:37.54 | Legorol | just against EULA/TOU ;-) (technically) |
| 00:37.56 | Cairenn | SinePi: don't agree with that ... you know up front, from the moment you buy the game that you're playing by their rules, so again, don't like it, don't play |
| 00:37.57 | Legorol | but i know what you mean |
| 00:38.05 | Cairenn | Legorol: it was okay |
| 00:38.15 | Kirkburn | Illegal sounds like an odd word, but it is correct to use it :P |
| 00:38.20 | Legorol | Kirkburn: yes technically they are "illegal" |
| 00:38.34 | Kirkburn | It's obvious blizz don't mind though :) |
| 00:38.34 | Legorol | and practically: i think Blizz frowsn on their use |
| 00:38.41 | Legorol | i think they do mind |
| 00:38.47 | Legorol | they probably mind it more than wdb/wdc mining |
| 00:38.49 | Kirkburn | s/don't mind/don't mind tooooo much/ |
| 00:39.02 | Legorol | that's just my personal subjective opinion |
| 00:39.17 | Legorol | model viewing more so than map viewing |
| 00:39.21 | Kirkburn | if it was a problem, they'd surely have told them by now |
| 00:39.25 | Legorol | anyone can make a map, so that's not that big a deal |
| 00:39.31 | Legorol | Kirkburn: that's not an argument |
| 00:39.39 | Kirkburn | I'm not making it one :) |
| 00:39.41 | Legorol | "Just because i haven't been told/caught yet" is always a bad argument |
| 00:39.51 | Legorol | try applying that to IGE ;_) |
| 00:40.00 | SinePi | hmm. ATSW 0.3.2 breaks for me when I try to do custom sorting. |
| 00:40.02 | Kirkburn | I'm just saying - the guys at Blizz know about it, but they haven't asked for it to be taken down |
| 00:40.05 | Legorol | surely buying gold on IGE is ok, otherwise Blizz would've gotten them shutdown already |
| 00:40.32 | Legorol | Kirkburn: i'm sure they have plenty of things to take ccare of, this might be a low priority |
| 00:40.41 | Legorol | it's not a very harmful thing |
| 00:40.46 | Kirkburn | Indeed no |
| 00:41.30 | Legorol | it's more important they work on chasing down organised farmers and goldsellers |
| 00:41.34 | Kirkburn | I suggested someone used wowmapviewer recently so he found avoid downloading those massive 'exploration vids' ... but he said he'd rather exploit instead. Go figure. |
| 00:41.44 | Kirkburn | s/found/could/ |
| 00:42.30 | Legorol | Blizz does eventually take care of things they deem harmful |
| 00:42.32 | Legorol | e.g. UT and AT |
| 00:42.36 | Legorol | (gotta love those Ts) |
| 00:42.43 | Legorol | from now on, those will be the Two Tees ;_) |
| 00:43.01 | Legorol | frankly, i never saw what was so harmful about UT |
| 00:43.12 | Legorol | if anyone can tell me a reason why it was harmful to the game, please explain |
| 00:43.15 | Legorol | but that's Blizz's decision |
| 00:43.19 | Kirkburn | Universial Translator? |
| 00:43.22 | Legorol | I can see AT being more harmful |
| 00:43.23 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:43.47 | Kirkburn | because inter-faction chatting was expressly removed during the development |
| 00:43.48 | Legorol | especially because you can always go on vent/TS/MSN/whatever anyway |
| 00:43.55 | Kirkburn | If Blizz wanted it, they would have kept it in |
| 00:44.04 | Legorol | that's circular argument |
| 00:44.12 | Legorol | *why* do they want to remove consensual inter-faction chat? |
| 00:44.13 | Kirkburn | They removed it because it was mostly used to insult the other side |
| 00:44.32 | Kirkburn | Much like /spit now |
| 00:44.38 | Legorol | hmm, i can see there might be something to that, but |
| 00:44.41 | Legorol | it's consensual, so. |
| 00:44.46 | Legorol | oh well |
| 00:44.55 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:45.02 | Legorol | i guess it fuels more violence and hate |
| 00:45.03 | Kirkburn | AT = Auto Travel? |
| 00:45.06 | Legorol | if you can't talk to each other |
| 00:45.07 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:45.12 | Legorol | sorry other way round |
| 00:45.18 | Legorol | i mean if you *can* talk to each other, gets more violent |
| 00:45.22 | Legorol | and abusive |
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| 00:45.24 | Kirkburn | Indeed so :( |
| 00:45.33 | Legorol | i see that point |
| 00:45.33 | Kirkburn | AT was just basically a bot helper |
| 00:45.33 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi /whistle :) |
| 00:45.43 | AnduinLothar | At was goodness |
| 00:45.47 | Legorol | Kirkburn: i won't go into AT because it's been covered many times over |
| 00:45.58 | Kirkburn | That too, but yeah, we all know about it :) |
| 00:46.00 | AnduinLothar | everyone loved AT |
| 00:46.01 | Legorol | AT wasn't enough of a bothelper |
| 00:46.10 | Legorol | but hey |
| 00:46.15 | Kirkburn | It should have been *more* of one? ;) |
| 00:46.18 | Legorol | on the other hand, they did work on adding more flightpaths |
| 00:46.22 | AnduinLothar | could have been |
| 00:46.23 | Legorol | and chained paths |
| 00:46.26 | Legorol | that i'm happy with |
| 00:46.34 | Legorol | i primarily used AT on long journeys, actually |
| 00:46.39 | Legorol | so i can go afk and grab a snack |
| 00:46.43 | AnduinLothar | i loved it for corpse runs |
| 00:46.43 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I spent yesterday picking up the new fps |
| 00:46.50 | Legorol | now that they have chained flights, i feel less of a need for AT |
| 00:47.13 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: works for corpseruns too, yes, but i tended to stay at the keyboard for those anyway |
| 00:47.30 | AnduinLothar | and getting from IF mail box to DM West in one fell swoop |
| 00:47.36 | Legorol | besides, AT works just fine with any external keypress generator |
| 00:47.49 | Legorol | such as a piece of stick attached to a fan, repeatedly hitting "A" on your keyboard |
| 00:47.50 | AnduinLothar | oh, i stay at the keyboard... i just do othe rthings, liek chat or code |
| 00:47.54 | Legorol | as you can see in a video krka linked |
| 00:48.05 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: for me, "afk" falls in that category ;-) |
| 00:48.07 | Legorol | afk from the game |
| 00:48.13 | Legorol | ok that's an odd use of the term, i admit |
| 00:48.43 | yammygirlcoding | hmm anyone has seen this message in endless loop 'You can only be in 10 channels at a time' |
| 00:48.56 | AnduinLothar | if you have an auto-join addon |
| 00:48.57 | Legorol | sounds like an AddOn keeps trying to join a channel |
| 00:49.02 | Legorol | and it can't because you maxed out your channels |
| 00:49.06 | yammygirlcoding | my UI triggered that and wont stop even on reload |
| 00:49.14 | Legorol | disable all addons |
| 00:49.16 | AnduinLothar | definitely an addon |
| 00:49.19 | Legorol | then leave all channels you don't need |
| 00:49.22 | AnduinLothar | im out |
| 00:49.34 | yammygirlcoding | hwo can i find out which addon is doin it? |
| 00:49.59 | Legorol | unfortunately, only way is the good-ol' disable one-bye-one |
| 00:50.19 | Legorol | or you can search your addons' files for joinchannelbyname |
| 00:50.44 | yammygirlcoding | hmmm trying |
| 00:51.19 | yammygirlcoding | i have a guess it is guildads |
| 00:52.20 | Kirkburn | Well, surely once you disable one channel using addon, the extra one will appear, and you'll see it |
| 00:52.29 | Kirkburn | And then you'll know which it was |
| 00:53.14 | Kirkburn | Anyways, everyone leaves LFG now - one extra channel freed up ;) |
| 00:54.13 | Legorol | Kirkburn has a point |
| 00:54.37 | yammygirlcoding | i think it keeps addin channels until gets to 10, cause i left one chanel to see if it stops but doesnt :( |
| 00:54.39 | Fanook | ugh, anyone know why tipbuddy or titanquests would cause a c-stack overflow? |
| 00:54.58 | Kirkburn | I remember Titan Quests doing it |
| 00:55.09 | Cairenn | I'm using TipBuddy and not having any problems |
| 00:55.40 | Fanook | tipbuddy usually behaves, it could be titanquests cascading into it |
| 00:55.46 | Legorol | Cairenn: you just admitted to using a specific AddOn! There goes your neutrality... |
| 00:55.50 | Legorol | now show us your UI! |
| 00:56.00 | Kirkburn | zomg |
| 00:56.02 | Cairenn | rofl, I didn't say it's the one I use all the time |
| 00:56.15 | Cairenn | I said I'm using it at present and not having any problems with it |
| 00:56.18 | Legorol | fair enough :/ |
| 00:56.28 | Legorol | damn, hard to force that screenshot out of you |
| 00:56.31 | Cairenn | for all you know, I'm just using it to test the latest version that just came out today |
| 00:56.32 | Legorol | do you like cookies? |
| 00:56.35 | Legorol | chocolates perhaps? |
| 00:56.53 | Cairenn | dark chocolate and old single malt scotch |
| 00:57.02 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: I can see it working fine for me, actually. |
| 00:57.11 | Kirkburn | Heh, it only *just* came out - you'd have to be pretty quick :P |
| 00:57.23 | Legorol | so, where's that UI? :) |
| 00:57.38 | Legorol | excellent! |
| 00:57.43 | Legorol | so that's how your UI looks like |
| 00:57.59 | Kirkburn | Bit too transparent for my liking |
| 00:58.00 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: "Red Swashbuckler's Shirt [0/16]" these numbers are what you're missing? |
| 00:58.09 | yammygirlcoding | ya! |
| 00:58.23 | Legorol | s/takes/makes/ |
| 00:58.31 | Legorol | bah.. purl can't handle emotes? |
| 00:58.36 | Legorol | ~slap purl |
| 00:58.44 | purl | ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 00:58.44 | yammygirlcoding | the [99/99/99] just dont show |
| 00:58.44 | Legorol | hmmm |
| 00:58.44 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: then some bank addon of yours might be crapping it up. |
| 00:58.44 | Kirkburn | Fanook, I can't find the stuff about why titan quests was causing problems :( But rest assured, it was :/ |
| 00:58.49 | Legorol | LOL |
| 00:58.55 | yammygirlcoding | it works with you ? |
| 00:59.02 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: yes, it does. |
| 00:59.17 | yammygirlcoding | it's cause cause nothing errrors. I have 1 bank addon. bankitems. |
| 00:59.33 | Legorol | i completed all the Midsummer flames.. including enemy capitals |
| 00:59.40 | Legorol | yay for corpseruns at 4am! |
| 00:59.43 | Fanook | impressive, leg |
| 00:59.47 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:59.49 | yammygirlcoding | it causes no error either :( i'd like to see any error so I could fix :( |
| 01:00.01 | Kirkburn | That's my next job ... enemy capitals |
| 01:00.09 | Legorol | don't do it during the day |
| 01:00.14 | Legorol | right now is probably a good time ;-) |
| 01:00.22 | Kirkburn | Can't decide if it should be part of my travelwear outfit though |
| 01:00.40 | Legorol | hehe |
| 01:00.40 | Kirkburn | No, I'm not going to start playing at 3am :P I do that far too much, and nothign good comes of it |
| 01:01.05 | Kirkburn | My current travelwear outfit: http://www.clearfont.co.uk/Screenshots/CF v11100-1/WoWScrnShot_062506_031307.jpg |
| 01:02.59 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: yOU AROUND? |
| 01:03.01 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 01:03.38 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi thank u for testing. :) i will try disable the bank addons |
| 01:03.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaelten (n=Kaelten@68.63.3.183) |
| 01:03.41 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 01:03.56 | SinePi | yammygirlcoding: either that... or I don't know what. |
| 01:04.15 | Kaelten | ello everyone |
| 01:04.20 | Cairenn | hey Kaelten |
| 01:04.47 | yammygirlcoding | Kaelten!! hello darling! :D |
| 01:05.26 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 01:05.26 | yammygirlcoding | are the servers down? my screen wont pass from the retrieving char list from any server |
| 01:05.46 | Kaelten | heya Cairenn heya yammy |
| 01:07.19 | Kirkburn | Ciao Kaelten |
| 01:08.11 | Shadowed | yammygirlcoding: US or UE? |
| 01:08.59 | yammygirlcoding | US |
| 01:09.04 | Cairenn | I'm on |
| 01:09.12 | yammygirlcoding | it's back! \o/ |
| 01:09.25 | Shadowed | Multiple Realm Connectivity Issues - 6-24 |
| 01:09.55 | yammygirlcoding | SinePi I found it! the old EnhancedTradeskills was loaded too. It's odd that is had showed tons of errors on screen :) |
| 01:10.03 | yammygirlcoding | now the numbers shows :D |
| 01:10.15 | SinePi | Glad that you found it by yourself :) |
| 01:10.26 | yammygirlcoding | then I back to the endless loop for 'You can only be in 10 channels at a time' |
| 01:10.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri_work (n=andrews@124.197.16.86) |
| 01:10.41 | yammygirlcoding | i exit game, back, and as soon as i load ui, it starts the loop |
| 01:10.49 | SinePi | the silliest restriction ever, if you ask me :/ |
| 01:11.42 | Legorol | they have to draw the line somewhere |
| 01:11.50 | Legorol | imagine an addon that autojoins 50 channels |
| 01:11.54 | Legorol | imagine lots of users using it |
| 01:12.09 | Legorol | suddenly you have a situation where you have to replicate something serverwide on 50 channels |
| 01:12.24 | SinePi | easier to set a client-side limit on the amount of data sent/received. |
| 01:12.42 | Legorol | no that's not it |
| 01:12.50 | Legorol | the client just sends one word on each of the 50 channels |
| 01:12.50 | SinePi | that's part of it. |
| 01:12.59 | Legorol | the server now has to send it out serverwide, 50 times |
| 01:13.16 | Legorol | currently, at worst, you have to send something out at most 10 times to the whole server |
| 01:13.18 | SinePi | on each, see. So it sends 50 words, in too short a time. Floodprotection activates and funnels the data slooowly out. |
| 01:13.48 | Legorol | fair enoguh |
| 01:13.55 | Legorol | they did say it's an explicit design decision though |
| 01:14.01 | Legorol | never explained why |
| 01:14.07 | SinePi | as usual, as usual. :) |
| 01:14.47 | SinePi | one can have 10 channels totally not floodprotected and using bandwidth like hell... but not 15 conservatively used ones. :) |
| 01:15.07 | Legorol | they're not even considering raising it at the moment |
| 01:15.23 | Legorol | it's not just "oh well we thought it will be enough, we will look into it", but it's a "yes it's on purpose, live with it" |
| 01:15.38 | SinePi | Why would they be. It's only used by addons, and addons "don't officially exist", so there. :) |
| 01:15.59 | Legorol | ehm.. not true |
| 01:16.14 | Legorol | in my guild, lot of people actually use around 5-6 ordinary chat channels |
| 01:16.27 | Legorol | e.g. class-specific, raid-group specific, guild-alliance specific etc. |
| 01:16.38 | SinePi | I was being partly sarcastic. |
| 01:17.01 | Legorol | ok, sorry bout that |
| 01:17.08 | SinePi | After all who would need custom channels when there are pre-made ones that should suffice all. |
| 01:17.09 | Legorol | text-based chat is bad for semi-sarcasm ;-) |
| 01:17.13 | yammygirlcoding | well.. hehe anyone have heard of any addon that triggered this kind of endless loop for channel limit these days? |
| 01:17.21 | SinePi | "640k should be enough for everyone!" :> |
| 01:17.52 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: a lot of addons would do that if you have maxed out your channels |
| 01:18.01 | Legorol | CTA, Guilded for example |
| 01:18.09 | yammygirlcoding | i have signed to 6 chanels right now. |
| 01:18.23 | yammygirlcoding | i use guildads. have disabled it but the loop continues |
| 01:18.24 | Legorol | hmm |
| 01:18.38 | SinePi | are you sure you have no hidden channels used by addons? |
| 01:18.54 | yammygirlcoding | tried to unsign to all channels, but loops continue too |
| 01:18.54 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: hook JoinChannelByName, and call stacktrace in it |
| 01:19.00 | Legorol | that'll tell you which addon keeps calling it |
| 01:19.07 | Kirkburn | Gah, what is it that convinces people to put double spacing between sentences :/ |
| 01:19.25 | Kirkburn | (actually, I know why, but I wish it would stop) |
| 01:19.30 | Legorol | see http://www.wowwiki.com/API_debugstack on how to do a stack trace |
| 01:19.35 | yammygirlcoding | hmm the hook i think i know how to do. but calling stack trace i have no idea how to |
| 01:20.20 | Legorol | in your hook, call debugstack with appropraite arguments (the page should explain) |
| 01:20.23 | Legorol | and print the result |
| 01:20.25 | zespri_work | What beats is that they always saing that there is no conspiracy. And then they say things like we did this nerf because "we had a very good reason, but we won't tell you what reason it was." so much for no conspiracy |
| 01:21.05 | Legorol | zespri: conspiracy would be if they didn't tell you they nerfed it ;-) |
| 01:21.09 | Legorol | they admit the nerf, just not the reason |
| 01:21.30 | zespri_work | stacktrace, OMG |
| 01:21.34 | SinePi | Maybe that's a slight exaggeration, but I wonder why they are so strict on never letting any real explanation out. |
| 01:21.39 | zespri_work | is this new in 1.11? |
| 01:21.44 | Legorol | mmm maybe |
| 01:21.54 | Legorol | i think it's 1.10 actually |
| 01:23.02 | SinePi | They always "do" and never ever ever say "why" - and not by just forgetting to do so, but by explicitly refusing to reveal their motivation. I find it odd and repulsing somehow, raising my already not-so-low level of distrust for this company. |
| 01:23.12 | Legorol | zespri: now that i checked, it's actually 1.9 |
| 01:23.30 | zespri_work | Legorol, cool, I'm glad I've learned it =) |
| 01:23.39 | Legorol | very handy |
| 01:23.55 | Legorol | now if only you could use it when you get a myserious C stack overflow ;-) |
| 01:24.04 | zespri_work | Well, I can imagine that the reason may be that if everybody knows all the guts they are not interested in the game any more |
| 01:24.23 | Legorol | i think the reason thye odn't explaoin themselves is because it would open up arguments |
| 01:24.31 | zespri_work | I'm sure blizz have lots of things that they no are exploitable but they just don't let people know |
| 01:24.34 | Legorol | this way, it's basically: we did it, live with it. We won't argue over it. |
| 01:24.39 | Legorol | it's irritating as hell, i agree |
| 01:24.40 | yammygirlcoding | what args i use here? debugstack(2, 1, 3) . i have no idea of how many chains in lookin into |
| 01:25.06 | zespri_work | so when they provide no reason they just dioesn;t want to reveal a part of underlying mechanics |
| 01:25.15 | yammygirlcoding | is it something like that? local originaljoin; function hookjoin = { originaljoin = JoinChannelByName; JoinChannelByName = debugstack(2, 1, 3); return originaljoin; } |
| 01:25.16 | Kirkburn | Is there anything specifically you're referring to? |
| 01:25.25 | yammygirlcoding | i dont know! |
| 01:25.42 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: i'd go for debugstack(2,4,3) |
| 01:25.50 | Legorol | make the second argument at least 3 |
| 01:26.02 | Kirkburn | "Windows NT 6.0" = Vista? |
| 01:26.04 | yammygirlcoding | what the diference? |
| 01:26.16 | yammygirlcoding | i did right the hook code/ |
| 01:26.17 | yammygirlcoding | ? |
| 01:26.28 | Legorol | the 2nd argument is how many functions you want printed that are immediately before the joinchannelbyname |
| 01:26.33 | Legorol | the hook code is almost right |
| 01:26.34 | zespri_work | Kirkburn, I can't find the thread right no and I don't remeber what it was about, that is if you are addressing me, I'll try to find but I may fail =) |
| 01:26.36 | SinePi | They wouldn't die if they hired a tech or design spokesperson, that would sometimes explain why this or that works the way it does, not plunging too deep into arguments. This way they'd at least TRY to make an impression that they're giving us what we want - instead of constantly ignoring requests and only implementing what THEY believe to be wise. |
| 01:26.48 | SinePi | (global LFG, anyone? -_-) |
| 01:26.51 | Kirkburn | zespri_work, don't worry about it :P |
| 01:27.03 | yammygirlcoding | what i missed in the hook code? |
| 01:27.12 | Kirkburn | One global LFG dies down, it'll be much better |
| 01:27.24 | Legorol | yammygirlcodingi am pastebinning it, sec |
| 01:27.37 | Kirkburn | If you have a zone specific request, there's always the zone channel |
| 01:28.03 | Kirkburn | If I needed someone for, say, Hogger, I would use the zone channel, not LFG |
| 01:28.09 | Legorol | yah so now people spam /3 and /1 with local LFG |
| 01:28.18 | SinePi | "normal" companies work like, "you pay and we try to provide the best service we can". Blizzard, in turn, works like, "you pay and you get the privilege to play a game that you WILL like. If not, piss off." |
| 01:28.23 | Kirkburn | They'll soon stop with /3, I'm sure |
| 01:28.31 | yammygirlcoding | i solved the LFG spamming by adding a new window to show just this channel :) |
| 01:28.39 | Kirkburn | yeah, good idea |
| 01:28.44 | Legorol | that's what i did too |
| 01:28.56 | Legorol | easier to flip tabs when i need it then /join lookingforgroup /leave 4 |
| 01:28.57 | Kirkburn | The problem is, it's novelty atm |
| 01:29.07 | SinePi | my lfg window is actually called "LFS", guess why. |
| 01:29.16 | yammygirlcoding | lol |
| 01:29.39 | SinePi | Oh, and I scolded one user for ranting offtopic on LFG, and suggested that he did it via whisper instead. Guess what the response was. |
| 01:29.50 | Kirkburn | Does this link work? https://admin.1and1.co.uk/imgsrv/sq27.schlund.de/grafikserver/chart_RJ84Z6wTKRkAAHrKDgE.png |
| 01:29.53 | SinePi | "But it won't be heard by everyone, that's no fun!". |
| 01:29.54 | zespri_work | Kirkburn, here is the quote: All the balancing decisions come down to the designers and my experience has been that even when the answer is 'no' they usually have some pretty good answers as to why. We just don't' always get to share all the details of 'why' with you all but do our best in giving you as much information as we can. |
| 01:30.07 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: http://wow.pastecode.com/665 |
| 01:30.10 | yammygirlcoding | its true blizz should add some spam protection , like 'you can't repost the same quest within 5 seconds' or something :) |
| 01:30.18 | Legorol | you call hookjoin() once to establish the hook |
| 01:30.21 | zespri_work | Kirkburn, the thread is here http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8805318.htm |
| 01:31.29 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol . but. i dont know the function(name) i'm lookin for |
| 01:32.18 | Kirkburn | zespri_work, I see what you mean. I think that, sometimes, to give the real reason why a change was made would create even more of a disturbance than "we have our reasons" |
| 01:32.24 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol instead of function(name) should i call hookjoin ? |
| 01:32.36 | yammygirlcoding | or function( hookjoin ) ? |
| 01:32.45 | Kirkburn | No class would take "we think you're overpowered" without massive complaining |
| 01:33.12 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: no, you misunderstand |
| 01:33.21 | yammygirlcoding | i really have hehe |
| 01:33.30 | Legorol | you have the code i pasted in one of your private addons, or maybe in a macro |
| 01:33.36 | Legorol | you do this: |
| 01:33.40 | Legorol | /script hookjoin(); |
| 01:33.54 | Legorol | this establishes the hook, and from now on every call to JoinChannelByName will print a stacktrace |
| 01:34.06 | Cide | Legorol: (I'm assuming you posted the thing about violation by reverse engineering WDB files), you're aware that allakhazam and thottbot both do that too, right? |
| 01:34.19 | Legorol | yes i am aware |
| 01:34.26 | Legorol | Cide, scroll back, i dont' want to repeat myself ;-) |
| 01:34.39 | Cide | I don't feel the need to, just making sure |
| 01:34.44 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:34.49 | yammygirlcoding | i have lua.pad to test codes :) |
| 01:34.55 | Kirkburn | Wait, thott does it? |
| 01:35.02 | Legorol | summary: i know all big sites do it, i know it's against EULA, i know Blizz doesn't care too much atm |
| 01:35.03 | yammygirlcoding | aaaah. so the function(name) is actualy a call? |
| 01:35.11 | zespri_work | Kirkburn, balancing is more art then a science. But not releasing the information they make impression that they have a blancing like a well-oiled machine that they know exactly what they are doing. The real reason may not sound really impressive as that one that one could imagine =) |
| 01:35.16 | Legorol | the only issue i had with is that they don't warn the enduser that what they do is potentially bannable |
| 01:35.17 | Cide | I guess I misunderstood you, it seemed as if you were saying "you're doing something bad, while the current ones on the market don't" |
| 01:35.27 | Kirkburn | zespri_work, that too |
| 01:35.29 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 01:35.32 | Cide | Kirkburn: yes |
| 01:35.35 | Legorol | the *user* is getting something bad |
| 01:35.48 | Legorol | thott/alla do the reverse engineering of client files themselves, that's their problem |
| 01:35.51 | Kirkburn | The thott addon doesn't? |
| 01:35.56 | Legorol | but the user is getting a client that is not violating the EULA |
| 01:36.04 | Legorol | no, Thottbot client is a pure in-game AddOn |
| 01:36.10 | Legorol | i don't know about alla |
| 01:36.15 | Cairenn | ditto WoWReader, iirc |
| 01:36.17 | Kirkburn | Good, just what I thought |
| 01:36.19 | Cairenn | Alla's |
| 01:36.20 | Cide | alla does same thing as wowhead's does |
| 01:36.24 | Cide | reads .wdb files on-the-fly |
| 01:36.24 | Legorol | :/ |
| 01:36.30 | Legorol | do the users know that? |
| 01:36.33 | Legorol | is there a disclaimer? |
| 01:36.35 | Cide | not sure |
| 01:36.47 | Legorol | at least a disclaimer is in order, that's all i am saying |
| 01:36.48 | Cide | but are the users doing something against the EULA, or merely supporting what the site is doing? |
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| 01:36.56 | Kirkburn | How do you know thott does it then? |
| 01:36.57 | Legorol | they are doing something against the EULA, imo |
| 01:36.59 | Fanook | i didnt, it does come with a TOS that i clicked through :( |
| 01:37.00 | Cide | I'm not sure if the users are actively reverse engineering things |
| 01:37.13 | Legorol | Kirkburn: I know what type of data the Thottbot uploader uploads |
| 01:37.21 | Legorol | the only thing it does is upload the contents of the Thottbot savedvariable |
| 01:37.28 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol can I add a hookjoin(); after the function in lua.pad? |
| 01:37.29 | Legorol | it never touches the WDB folder |
| 01:37.30 | Kirkburn | oh, I know :) |
| 01:37.34 | zespri_work | Alla does do wdb parsing from client |
| 01:37.44 | Kirkburn | The thott addon is completely clean |
| 01:37.45 | Legorol | but thott does do dbc/wdb parsing |
| 01:37.45 | yammygirlcoding | it did nothing |
| 01:37.55 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: after what function? |
| 01:38.07 | Legorol | if you are using lua pad, |
| 01:38.21 | Legorol | open a clean page, copy/paste the code from the pastebin, and execute that page |
| 01:38.26 | Legorol | this defines the hookjoin function |
| 01:38.37 | Legorol | follow that by /script hookjoin(), which activates the hook |
| 01:38.44 | yammygirlcoding | ah |
| 01:38.53 | yammygirlcoding | can't call the method in lua pad? |
| 01:39.00 | Legorol | you can if you want to |
| 01:39.15 | yammygirlcoding | isnt it missing a ; ? |
| 01:39.16 | Legorol | but you still have to copy/paste the stuff from the pastebin, and make sure it gets executed |
| 01:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap @ Flexbar |
| 01:39.22 | Legorol | it's not missing a ";" |
| 01:39.28 | Legorol | it can't be, because ";" is optional in Lua ;-) |
| 01:39.34 | Legorol | it's possible i missed one so it's not as prettyu |
| 01:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "Let's store EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER'S SETTINGS IN A SINGLE FILE! THEN LOAD THAT INTO MEMORY!" |
| 01:39.38 | Legorol | but the code will work |
| 01:40.07 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: i don't get you |
| 01:40.16 | Legorol | if it's storing one file per char, it will load only one file at a time |
| 01:40.33 | Legorol | isn't that desirable? |
| 01:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, it's storing every single char's data in a single file... *shared* |
| 01:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's SavedVariables, not SavedVariablesPerCharacter |
| 01:40.56 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol i run the code exactly as from pastebin and nothing happens. no error , no thing |
| 01:40.58 | Legorol | right |
| 01:41.09 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: nothing is supposed to happen |
| 01:41.15 | Legorol | you have to *execute* the hookjoin function |
| 01:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, it's loading about 100kb of LUA into RAM... for every character that's ever logged in |
| 01:41.23 | Legorol | hence the /script hookjoin() i asked you to do |
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| 01:41.38 | yammygirlcoding | i did. nothign hapens |
| 01:42.06 | Legorol | yay, i got pastecode number 666! |
| 01:42.08 | Legorol | http://wow.pastecode.com/666 |
| 01:42.10 | SinePi | Odd. I'm looking at the new stack sizes. Hides x10, but cured hides x20. Okay, I understand. Treated hides stack better. But Cloth? Cloth x20, Bolt x10. Go figure. :> |
| 01:42.14 | Legorol | try this one then yammygirlcoding |
| 01:42.22 | Legorol | tell me if you get the message when you do /script hookjoin() |
| 01:42.31 | yammygirlcoding | shouldnt i print the hook result into a var maybe? |
| 01:42.38 | MentalPower | whats the difference between pastecode.com and pastebin.com? |
| 01:42.39 | Legorol | hook result? |
| 01:42.42 | Legorol | the hook has no result |
| 01:42.51 | Legorol | pastecode.com works, pastebin.com doesn't ;_) |
| 01:42.56 | Legorol | for the last few weeks |
| 01:43.02 | MentalPower | o rly? |
| 01:43.07 | Legorol | yes, really |
| 01:43.08 | yammygirlcoding | where is the message suposed to be? in the chatframe1 i cant read cause the chanel message loop is there printing... |
| 01:43.08 | Kaelten | pastebin.ca is working fairly well |
| 01:43.08 | Fanook | boltsx10? hmm, that does keep the relative amount of cloth the same, but that's an iteresting change |
| 01:43.09 | MentalPower | shows you how much I use pastebin |
| 01:43.28 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: then change ChatFrame1 to ChatFrame2 ;-) |
| 01:43.31 | Legorol | or 3 |
| 01:43.33 | Legorol | and read it in there |
| 01:43.43 | yammygirlcoding | how i do that? |
| 01:43.52 | Legorol | you know where it says ChatFrame1 ? |
| 01:43.58 | yammygirlcoding | no |
| 01:43.58 | Legorol | change it to ChatFrame2 |
| 01:44.01 | Legorol | or anything you like |
| 01:44.06 | Legorol | line 3 of the pastebin |
| 01:44.13 | yammygirlcoding | the loop message will move to there too , i guess |
| 01:44.20 | Legorol | it won't |
| 01:44.26 | Legorol | ChatFrame2 is the combat log |
| 01:44.39 | Legorol | you won't be getting the loopmessage in there |
| 01:44.48 | yammygirlcoding | how i change it? no idea |
| 01:44.54 | Legorol | change what |
| 01:44.59 | yammygirlcoding | 1 to 2 |
| 01:45.14 | Legorol | ok, let me be more explicit |
| 01:45.17 | Legorol | take the code from http://wow.pastecode.com/666 |
| 01:45.24 | yammygirlcoding | sorry i'm noob :( |
| 01:45.25 | Legorol | on line 3, replace ChatFrame1 with ChatFrame2 |
| 01:45.29 | MentalPower | yammygirlcoding: I thought you were smarter than that :) |
| 01:45.43 | yammygirlcoding | there is no reference in your code to any frame |
| 01:46.15 | Legorol | yes there is |
| 01:46.17 | Legorol | have a look at thsi: |
| 01:46.18 | Legorol | http://wow.pastecode.com/666 |
| 01:46.21 | yammygirlcoding | here> debugstack(2, 4, 3) ? |
| 01:46.25 | SinePi | nice number. :P |
| 01:46.25 | Legorol | line 3 is: ChatFrame1:AddMessage("hook is now in place"); |
| 01:46.29 | Legorol | yup |
| 01:46.43 | yammygirlcoding | no. there is no like in the piece of code I got first |
| 01:46.50 | Legorol | yes but i changed it |
| 01:46.52 | Legorol | i gave you a new link |
| 01:46.58 | yammygirlcoding | i have the 665 one :) |
| 01:47.08 | Legorol | for the past 5 minutes i kept pasting this link: |
| 01:47.12 | Legorol | http://wow.pastecode.com/666 |
| 01:47.21 | Legorol | i even joked about the 666 |
| 01:47.22 | Kirkburn | oooh, evil code |
| 01:47.25 | MentalPower | ~lart yammygirlcoding |
| 01:47.31 | yammygirlcoding | lol |
| 01:47.40 | yammygirlcoding | i didnt realize the 666 was for me *scared* |
| 01:47.57 | Kirkburn | Don't use it, it will cause armageddon! On your PC! |
| 01:48.54 | Legorol | darn, and i was proud to have gotten the 666 |
| 01:48.58 | Legorol | i should immortalise that link |
| 01:49.15 | yammygirlcoding | the armagedon has already arrived to wow... there is an endless loop message in my wow that wont go away :D |
| 01:49.19 | SinePi | it's even 333(x2)vil. :) |
| 01:49.21 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol thanks to me hihi |
| 01:49.35 | Kirkburn | Tricksssy Legorol :) |
| 01:49.53 | SinePi | wickedy numberseses! |
| 01:50.10 | Legorol | SinePi: that's a painful pun |
| 01:50.15 | Legorol | the 333(x2)vil one |
| 01:50.18 | SinePi | :> |
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| 01:51.29 | SinePi | vil=2; ChatFrame1:AddMessage(333*vil); -- :P |
| 01:51.31 | Legorol | is it just me, or the ship in Feralas that takes you between the mainland and Feathermoon stronghold completely pointless? |
| 01:51.41 | cladhaire | yes =) |
| 01:51.48 | SinePi | quite so. |
| 01:51.52 | Legorol | heck, if i start swimming when the ship leaves, i still get there faster |
| 01:52.21 | Shadowed | Well, nobody would realize you have to swim across otherwise |
| 01:52.24 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol guess what.. wow crashed :[ |
| 01:52.31 | Legorol | woot |
| 01:52.47 | SinePi | it gets better - you stand no chance getting to the shore when 35 (almost), and that's the age at which one can train Alchemy in Feathermoon to Artisan. :> |
| 01:52.54 | yammygirlcoding | after copyin the 666 code, i alt tabed and no wow anymore :( |
| 01:53.26 | Legorol | hehhe.. |
| 01:53.37 | Legorol | that's because of the lines of code hidden in there, written using invisible ink |
| 01:53.48 | yammygirlcoding | O.O |
| 01:53.59 | SinePi | invisible ink = baby blood |
| 01:54.11 | yammygirlcoding | hmm now the retrieving char list is takin forever.. not my day... |
| 01:54.11 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: just teasing |
| 01:54.29 | Legorol | SinePi: you're not supposed to be Artisan at 35 ;-) |
| 01:54.36 | SinePi | Legorol: oh really? :> |
| 01:54.36 | Legorol | get a 60 to escort you |
| 01:54.41 | Legorol | yes really |
| 01:54.55 | SinePi | tell that to my alchemist who is now 43 with alchemy at 300. :) |
| 01:55.06 | yammygirlcoding | ^^ |
| 01:55.13 | Legorol | now if only i remembered why exactly did i go to the stronghold.. |
| 01:55.18 | Legorol | by the time i got there, forgot |
| 01:55.26 | SinePi | and gotten to feathermoon by fsckin' swimming from desolace. |
| 01:55.30 | yammygirlcoding | lol it takes so many time to get there? hehe |
| 01:55.43 | Legorol | SinePi: 43 is fine, 35 not ;_) |
| 01:55.45 | Legorol | j/k |
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| 01:56.08 | SinePi | Legorol: hey, she's an overachiever. The alchemist, that is. :D |
| 01:56.35 | SinePi | Herbalism to 300 at 39, if I remember... you know. :> |
| 01:56.46 | Legorol | well, i have my engineering at 306 since level 51 |
| 01:56.59 | Legorol | ok that one is hard |
| 01:57.02 | Legorol | how you max herbalism? |
| 01:57.08 | Legorol | you'd need to go to zones which are tough for 39 |
| 01:57.10 | yammygirlcoding | herbalism 300 at 39? no way! |
| 01:57.27 | SinePi | blindweed at swamp of sorrows works wonders. |
| 01:57.32 | yammygirlcoding | mobs would see you 10 miles away |
| 01:57.57 | Legorol | you could have a portable lighthouse on you and you wouldn't be more obvious ;_) |
| 01:58.17 | SinePi | she's a priest. Run to the herb, psychic scream, gather, run the hell back. :> |
| 01:58.52 | yammygirlcoding | lol |
| 01:58.55 | Legorol | ok but what's the *point* of having a 300 herb at 39 |
| 01:58.56 | Kirkburn | Easy peasy :P |
| 01:59.00 | Legorol | you still can't get to the important herbs |
| 01:59.10 | Legorol | not because of skill, but because at 39 you can't get to it ;_) |
| 01:59.34 | SinePi | Legorol: the same reason for anyone to play WoW. |
| 01:59.40 | SinePi | "for the heck of it. Because I can." :> |
| 01:59.47 | Legorol | true |
| 01:59.56 | Fanook | today Fanook learned that you can swim through where Gilneas is supposed to be |
| 02:00.17 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: managed to get ingame yet? |
| 02:00.33 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 02:00.56 | SinePi | and get her a 60 escort to some high-level zone - let her gather the herbs - and, presto, 300-level potions. Those do make a pretty penny. |
| 02:00.58 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol i'm trying! :p |
| 02:01.24 | SinePi | 300-alchemy-level, naturally. |
| 02:01.30 | yammygirlcoding | i got in an alt. nothing happens. i'm seeing in each alt to see if it's only with one of them |
| 02:02.13 | Legorol | wait |
| 02:02.19 | Legorol | i just spotted i got one thing wrong |
| 02:02.34 | Legorol | do you get the "hook is now in place" message though? |
| 02:02.43 | Legorol | in chat frame 1 or 2 |
| 02:03.05 | Legorol | anyway the bit i forgot is that |
| 02:03.09 | Legorol | debugstack returns a stirng |
| 02:03.11 | Legorol | that needs printing :) |
| 02:03.22 | Legorol | ok, revised code: |
| 02:03.23 | Legorol | http://wow.pastecode.com/667 |
| 02:03.28 | Legorol | make sure you have at least 3 chat tabs, |
| 02:03.33 | Legorol | because this prints everything to the 3rd one |
| 02:07.37 | Kirkburn | To bed! |
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| 02:07.42 | Legorol | ditto |
| 02:07.42 | Grem_Silentshado | Hey, can anyone tell me how to 'include' a file in my LUA? |
| 02:07.48 | Legorol | sorry yammygirlcoding i got to crash |
| 02:07.57 | Legorol | someone will help you out i'm sure |
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| 02:08.21 | Legorol | _Grem_: you can't |
| 02:08.24 | yammygirlcoding | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.29 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol cry cry |
| 02:08.46 | Legorol | sorry |
| 02:08.48 | _Grem_ | =/ |
| 02:08.55 | _Grem_ | What if I want to put some of my functions in another file? |
| 02:08.55 | MentalPower | I'll take over |
| 02:08.57 | _Grem_ | Or a table in another file |
| 02:08.58 | Legorol | _Grem_: only thing you can do is include the file in the toc |
| 02:09.13 | MentalPower | _Grem_: then you include the other files in your .toc |
| 02:09.13 | _Grem_ | I tried adding the file to the toc...it still doesnt seem to recognize that the table is there |
| 02:09.23 | Legorol | make sure it's in right order |
| 02:09.40 | Legorol | good night |
| 02:09.44 | Kirkburn | G'night! |
| 02:09.45 | _Grem_ | The table is listed before the functions that access it |
| 02:09.45 | Legorol | MentalPower, take good care of yammygirlcoding ;-) |
| 02:09.49 | SinePi | or what's left of it. |
| 02:09.49 | Cairenn | night ugys |
| 02:09.51 | Cairenn | guys* |
| 02:10.02 | yammygirlcoding | i cant make the error hjapen on the alts. logging the main to see if error backs |
| 02:10.41 | MentalPower | night Cairenn |
| 02:11.01 | MentalPower | _Grem_: can I suggest that you pastebin your current .toc file? |
| 02:11.39 | yammygirlcoding | MentalPower could u take a look at legoras pastebin 667 above , for me? im in trouble! |
| 02:11.54 | _Grem_ | Okay Mental, functions seem to work from the included file, but it wont access the table |
| 02:12.02 | _Grem_ | So it is recognizing the included file for sure now |
| 02:12.16 | _Grem_ | But the table in the file wont access |
| 02:12.16 | zespri_work | Legorol, you are now legoras! it's official! =) |
| 02:12.16 | MentalPower | perhaps the table is not in scope? |
| 02:12.18 | _Grem_ | When I move the table to the same file, it does work |
| 02:12.21 | _Grem_ | Hmm, perhaps |
| 02:12.32 | _Grem_ | It needs to be global or something, I assume |
| 02:12.39 | MentalPower | yammygirlcoding: what are you trying to acomplish |
| 02:12.49 | MentalPower | it needs to be in scope |
| 02:13.01 | _Grem_ | How do I make it 'in scope'? =) |
| 02:13.36 | MentalPower | you said you're trying to access a table from another file? |
| 02:13.51 | _Grem_ | Yes |
| 02:13.56 | _Grem_ | I can access functons from another file |
| 02:13.59 | _Grem_ | but not a table from the other file |
| 02:14.01 | MentalPower | then the table needs to be global |
| 02:14.09 | _Grem_ | How do I declare it global? |
| 02:14.25 | MentalPower | you don't declare it local |
| 02:14.34 | MentalPower | all values in Lua are global by default |
| 02:14.48 | MentalPower | s/values/variables/ |
| 02:14.52 | _Grem_ | How did I manage to declare it locally? |
| 02:15.02 | MentalPower | local someTable = {} |
| 02:15.17 | MentalPower | or |
| 02:15.19 | _Grem_ | No...I didnt declare it that way |
| 02:15.25 | _Grem_ | I just did: someTable = {} |
| 02:15.33 | MentalPower | local someTable |
| 02:15.35 | MentalPower | ... |
| 02:15.36 | MentalPower | someTable = {} |
| 02:15.57 | _Grem_ | Well, there's a [] inside the {} |
| 02:16.08 | _Grem_ | Are the [] local variables? |
| 02:17.00 | MentalPower | like someTable = {["someKey"] = "someValue",} |
| 02:17.05 | _Grem_ | Yeah |
| 02:17.09 | _Grem_ | That's how my table is organized |
| 02:17.12 | MentalPower | how are you accessing it? |
| 02:17.20 | MentalPower | or trying to access it |
| 02:17.28 | _Grem_ | Iterating with a FOR statement |
| 02:17.50 | MentalPower | for key, value in pairs(someTable) do ... end? |
| 02:18.12 | _Grem_ | for index=1, table.getn(List.List), 3 do |
| 02:18.37 | Fanook | anyone have the script to fix the raid window bug handy? |
| 02:18.40 | MentalPower | oh that only works for numerically indexed lists |
| 02:18.51 | MentalPower | erm... |
| 02:18.53 | _Grem_ | That works if the table is in the same file... |
| 02:18.53 | MentalPower | wait |
| 02:18.59 | _Grem_ | But when I move it to the included file, it does not |
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| 02:20.32 | MentalPower | back to my original suggestion, can you pastebin your file somewhere? (http://wow.pastecode.com/) |
| 02:22.56 | _Grem_ | You'll have to give me a bit |
| 02:23.01 | _Grem_ | the problem is probably very obvious =/ |
| 02:23.06 | _Grem_ | Im sure it has to do with scope though |
| 02:23.20 | MentalPower | ok |
| 02:27.07 | Tem | yay, our first time to see a timelapse chromag |
| 02:29.07 | MentalPower | grats? |
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| 02:39.09 | Fanook | anyone have the script to fix the raid window bug? |
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| 03:06.37 | Codexius | !seen guillotine |
| 03:06.51 | yammygirlcoding | well i gota sleep !! good night all! :D bye MentalPower!! |
| 03:06.59 | Cairenn | night yammygirlcoding |
| 03:07.11 | Cairenn | ~seen guillotine |
| 03:07.13 | purl | guillotine <n=chatzill@ns.motek-services.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 21h 52m 44s ago, saying: 'http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/news-178-1-title-cabal-online-the-revolution-of-action.html -- anyone else think this interface looks a bit too much like the WoW interface?'. |
| 03:07.15 | Codexius | argh thanks |
| 03:07.21 | Cairenn | np |
| 03:07.23 | Codexius | pooie |
| 03:07.33 | Codexius | im trying to figure out his Panda Bot mod |
| 03:09.22 | Cairenn | pretty good information in the write up: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4413 |
| 03:28.00 | MentalPower | Cairenn: How do you deal with spammers at WoWI? |
| 03:28.16 | Cairenn | what's being spammed? |
| 03:28.23 | MentalPower | like people (or bots) that create accounts and spam viagra selling websites on your forums |
| 03:28.33 | MentalPower | (and other goodies) |
| 03:28.34 | Cairenn | they get banned |
| 03:28.39 | Kaelten | I wish someone would write a little app that would parse the frameXML.log to make it easier to browse |
| 03:29.00 | Cairenn | email addy & IP ban |
| 03:29.10 | Cairenn | and all posts removed |
| 03:29.25 | MentalPower | cause we're starting to get spammed over at norganna.org/bb |
| 03:29.38 | MentalPower | for now its minimal, but I'm sure its only the tip of the iceberg |
| 03:29.42 | Cairenn | ban 'em |
| 03:29.47 | Cairenn | ban 'em hard and fast |
| 03:30.18 | Cairenn | if you don't, it'll only get worse |
| 03:30.58 | MentalPower | got it, thanks as always Cair :) |
| 03:31.10 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 03:31.18 | Cairenn | make sure you do an actual IP ban though |
| 03:31.40 | Cairenn | shit like that, no 2nd chances |
| 03:32.09 | MentalPower | I'll have to look into that, currently I'm doing account bans only (I haven't figured out IP bans yet) |
| 03:32.17 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:32.37 | Cairenn | problem with account bans but not IP is that they just make a new account |
| 03:32.44 | Cairenn | IP bans, they have to work a bit harder |
| 03:33.08 | Cairenn | at the very least, they have to know how to spoof IP addies, and most are too stupid to know how to do that |
| 03:34.02 | MentalPower | hehe |
| 03:34.19 | MentalPower | one was even brave enough to advertise his services on our boards |
| 03:34.37 | MentalPower | $12 per 1000 emails |
| 03:34.55 | Cairenn | yeah, it takes all kinds ... =/ |
| 03:36.12 | Kaelten | which one is faster string.format or table.concat? |
| 03:36.29 | MentalPower | thats a question for Iriel :) |
| 03:36.37 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 03:37.11 | Kaelten | or rather a table.concat or 20 conditionals, up to 20 table.inserts and then a table.concat |
| 03:37.42 | Kaelten | err that first concat was spost to be a format |
| 03:37.55 | yammygirlcoding | what is joueuer in english? |
| 03:38.05 | yammygirlcoding | any french guy there? :) |
| 03:38.28 | yammygirlcoding | alex flament forgot that in his addon hihi |
| 03:38.31 | Kaelten | gnight clad |
| 03:38.44 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 03:38.53 | clad|sleep | night guys |
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| 03:45.41 | Fanook|Afk | jouer? is to play, iirc |
| 03:46.06 | Kaelten | ag damnit! I hate this error |
| 03:46.14 | Kaelten | ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near ` |
| 03:46.32 | Kaelten | anyone ever seen it before? |
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| 03:56.41 | Cairenn | shaman wear leather till 40, same as hunters, correct? |
| 03:58.37 | Fanook | i think so |
| 03:59.24 | Cairenn | yeah, just verified on the Blizz site. Thanks for answering though Fanook :) |
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| 04:02.59 | Ktron | fyi, if anyone is looking for 2007 fonts, I have office 2007 beta installed |
| 04:03.33 | a-stray-cat | any really nice new fonts? |
| 04:03.33 | Fanook | how you liking the ribbon? |
| 04:13.14 | Ktron | the ribbon? Is that what they're calling the top bar thing? |
| 04:13.45 | Fanook | yeah |
| 04:17.13 | Cairenn | hating it :p |
| 04:17.40 | Cairenn | not that you asked me, but ... |
| 04:34.45 | MentalPower | night guys |
| 04:35.13 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 04:37.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i'm getting tired of the disconnect bug 1.11 introduced :x |
| 04:39.58 | Ktron | It's really tall-- not sure if I'm okay with sacrificing that much space to buttons |
| 04:40.14 | Ktron | to continue a conversation from :38 ago |
| 04:40.24 | Ktron | er, :37 |
| 04:42.00 | Ktron | I think I like the idea of the tabs, especially if they can be hotkeyed easily, but I'm looking for a way to remove all the text labels and/or make the whole thing slimmer |
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| 05:31.40 | Cairenn | night all |
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| 06:04.00 | Kaelten | gnight all |
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| 06:46.19 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:46.24 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 06:48.45 | Elkano | AnduinLothar, do you have by chance any code to obtain the name of a temporary weapon buff from a weapon? |
| 06:52.25 | AnduinLothar | not off hand, why? |
| 06:52.43 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to the acual buff text you mean? |
| 06:56.30 | Elkano | well, I don't know any direct API calls to get either a buff/debuffs name nor the name of a temp weapon buff (poisons, sharpen stones, ...) :( |
| 06:57.19 | Elkano | the only way I've found so far is tooltip scanning which is easy for buffs/debuffs since its simply TooltipTextLeft1 but not that trivial for temp weapon buffs |
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| 07:14.51 | mjc | moo |
| 07:15.01 | MoonWolf | woof |
| 07:15.30 | mjc | how goes |
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| 07:58.32 | ckknight | can someone approve my mods on wowi? |
| 07:58.43 | ckknight | lousy sleeping admins |
| 08:02.20 | MoonWolf | maybe wowi should employ a europe located admin |
| 08:02.30 | MoonWolf | to catch the current sleeping periods. |
| 08:03.50 | Miravlix | Uuh time to change password? |
| 08:03.53 | Miravlix | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/25/1440236&from=rss |
| 08:04.03 | Miravlix | lilo the head huncho here got hacked |
| 08:04.12 | Miravlix | and they posed as nickserv for a while |
| 08:04.40 | Corrodias | hmm. that is unfortunate. |
| 08:08.41 | Miravlix | Well, my freenode password just reached the rock bottom category from the reallycrappyplaintextpassword category |
| 08:09.23 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 08:11.11 | Miravlix | IRC and other plain text password is in security category might as well be no password. |
| 08:11.49 | MoonWolf | Not my fake password I use for insecure places all over the internet! What ever will I do! |
| 08:11.53 | Corrodias | that's kind of a good point. i should change my IRC passwords to a set entirely separate from my others |
| 08:13.11 | Miravlix | Use a for level category password system. 4: Keyboard only, 3: Encrypted connection. 2: Could be secure 1: Not secure! |
| 08:13.44 | Miravlix | s/for/four/. |
| 08:13.45 | Corrodias | keyboard only? |
| 08:13.50 | MoonWolf | I have a pool of secure passwords: dAk7Ch85e is one of them |
| 08:13.56 | MoonWolf | and a pool of insecure passwords |
| 08:14.15 | MoonWolf | with things like lovecraft, and cenrecnamor. |
| 08:14.22 | Miravlix | ylnbukf6renb is my insecure password. |
| 08:14.23 | MoonWolf | plain words mostly |
| 08:14.41 | Miravlix | It got compromised some years ago, but I just never forgot it |
| 08:14.57 | Kalroth | @e£r$u¤c6e{s <- most secure password ever! |
| 08:15.03 | Kalroth | (see the pattern?!) |
| 08:15.07 | MoonWolf | Kalroth, no. |
| 08:15.08 | Miravlix | You ruined it! |
| 08:15.12 | Miravlix | You posted it on IRC |
| 08:15.16 | Kalroth | oh |
| 08:15.25 | Kalroth | then it's a public secret password! |
| 08:15.28 | s|loup | lol |
| 08:15.32 | krka|work | i have krka has my password everywhere |
| 08:15.34 | krka|work | who cares |
| 08:15.36 | Miravlix | Keyboard only passwords, means the machine has to be compromised before someone can steal it. |
| 08:15.47 | MoonWolf | i posted dAk7Ch85e on irc so many times , i even had it in the title for a while. |
| 08:15.49 | MoonWolf | i dont care |
| 08:15.56 | MoonWolf | its useless without account names. |
| 08:16.20 | Kalroth | I like to use 1234 as password, it's so stupid that noone would ever check for it |
| 08:16.40 | Miravlix | They will check for it |
| 08:16.45 | krka|work | no... i'm pretty sure they will |
| 08:16.50 | Miravlix | It's part of the patterns in brute force crackers |
| 08:17.18 | MoonWolf | Kalroth, i check that password by hand. |
| 08:17.50 | MoonWolf | that and, hi, hello, fuck, lol and "schroevedraaier" <- dont ask. |
| 08:17.51 | Miravlix | Category 5 passes is Public/Private keys. |
| 08:18.07 | Miravlix | I'm upgrading to Category 6 soon, Chip cards |
| 08:18.42 | MoonWolf | Chip cards ? |
| 08:18.49 | MoonWolf | isnt that a bit overkill ? |
| 08:19.02 | Miravlix | Yeah, the chip card has the code to unlock my private key |
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| 08:20.41 | Miravlix | So you would have to physically kidnap me and torture me to get the chip card and passcode. |
| 08:21.01 | Miravlix | And I really don't think I posses anything that makes it worth doing that. |
| 08:21.15 | gnorlish | or do you |
| 08:21.18 | gnorlish | OR DO YOU |
| 08:21.26 | ckknight_ | if they steal my password, I'd just become someone new |
| 08:21.32 | ckknight_ | a good chance to start over |
| 08:21.36 | ckknight_ | in the big city, maybe |
| 08:21.38 | MoonWolf | internet identities ftw. |
| 08:21.56 | MoonWolf | ckknight you could be someone new right now |
| 08:21.59 | MoonWolf | if you wanted to be |
| 08:22.03 | Miravlix | Well, I shop online, so it's more than an Internet identity |
| 08:22.16 | ckknight_ | I already claimed my alter ego's gmail address and such |
| 08:22.22 | ckknight_ | ;-) |
| 08:22.24 | MoonWolf | ofcourse there is the part where some people might remember you hostmask |
| 08:22.29 | Miravlix | Gmail sucks |
| 08:22.33 | ckknight_ | how so? |
| 08:22.35 | Miravlix | It's eating my mail lately! |
| 08:22.38 | MoonWolf | i like it. |
| 08:22.46 | ckknight_ | your mom is eating your mail lately. |
| 08:22.55 | MoonWolf | although gmail needs to step up its spam filters. |
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| 08:23.07 | Miravlix | I signed up for some stuff and never got any mail, but the worse was I've paid for a month for my new server |
| 08:23.20 | Miravlix | and gmail freaking ate the email telling me it was up |
| 08:24.08 | Miravlix | I've lost a ton of mails and put in a support request with them. Dunno whats up, but something is seriusly wrong with my gmail account. |
| 08:24.31 | ckknight_ | oh yea, so you all know, Ace2 is now at the "Alpha" level ;-) |
| 08:24.32 | MoonWolf | a. get new account b. get new provider. |
| 08:25.07 | Miravlix | I run my own server now. |
| 08:25.34 | Miravlix | Well, I did before too, just didn't trust it's stability from home with a carboardbox server. |
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| 08:58.26 | Kaso | My Minimap keeps fucking up every time i zone :< |
| 08:58.56 | MoonWolf | dont zone |
| 08:59.09 | Kaso | ha |
| 08:59.32 | Kaso | i think it could be cos im using <0.64 UI scale |
| 09:02.37 | AnduinLothar | so... figured out i can just merge the logs of the children folders rather than parsing a propget svn:externals ... |
| 09:05.50 | AnduinLothar | ls | svn log |
| 09:06.04 | AnduinLothar | ls | xargs svn log |
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| 09:12.08 | AnduinLothar | mmm odd. that only works sometimes |
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| 09:34.16 | Miravlix | PORN, PURE UNCENSORED PORN! |
| 09:34.27 | Miravlix | I can play wow again, no more freaking lag! |
| 09:34.45 | MoonWolf | what does that have to do with porn ? |
| 09:34.48 | MoonWolf | congrats btw. |
| 09:35.07 | krka|work | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/21 |
| 09:35.09 | Miravlix | They are both a really good thing |
| 09:36.00 | MoonWolf | soooo. there has been a distinct lack of real wow porn |
| 09:36.05 | MoonWolf | this is scary |
| 09:36.09 | MoonWolf | internet step it up. |
| 09:36.48 | Miravlix | I havent been able to play for months now due to insane lag |
| 09:36.56 | Miravlix | Took Blizzard long enough to fix it |
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| 10:15.27 | Miravlix | Oooh, they cleaned up flying too. |
| 10:15.42 | Miravlix | 1.11 rocks my boat thats for sure. |
| 10:16.44 | MoonWolf | what was wrong with flying ? |
| 10:18.20 | Miravlix | hahahaha |
| 10:18.31 | Miravlix | Uncheck this if it makes your computer crash. |
| 10:18.38 | Miravlix | Now thats what I call a tooltip |
| 10:18.52 | Miravlix | They cleaned up having to click 38473874 times to start the flight |
| 10:21.10 | MoonWolf | never realized that was bugged. |
| 10:27.11 | Kaso | I just assumed that was my usualy shitty lag |
| 10:28.18 | zenzelezz | I only had it in lagged situations |
| 10:28.28 | zenzelezz | but don't know if that means it only happened then for others |
| 10:42.51 | Miravlix | It wasn't bugged, just badly designed |
| 10:43.15 | Miravlix | First you clicked one to get one menu then again to get another menu then again to get another menu and then finally to fly somewhere |
| 10:44.33 | zenzelezz | not quite sure how you mean... I just clicked the flight guy and then selected the destination |
| 10:45.27 | zenzelezz | can't remember if any of them are chatty and want you to click the "show me the paths" |
| 11:30.29 | Miravlix | Maybe they should get a clue |
| 11:30.59 | Miravlix | It's proven that changing passwords has little or no effect |
| 11:31.27 | Miravlix | It's just when someone like lilo messes things up and everyone losses it the real mess start |
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| 11:33.04 | MoonWolf | it should not have happend, but it did, nothing hugely bad was caused by it. |
| 11:33.09 | MoonWolf | now lets forget about it. |
| 11:36.11 | Miravlix | I can forgive mistakes, I cant forgive piss pore excuses, like we should all change our passwords |
| 11:39.43 | Corrodias | excuses? |
| 11:39.57 | Corrodias | recommending that you change your password because someone may have it isn't an excuse |
| 11:40.13 | Miravlix | Yeah, we should all change our passwords anyway, so it isn't sutch a bad thing his little mishap |
| 11:40.50 | Miravlix | Instead of facing up to the mistake and simply admitting that due to my mistake the best thing to do is change your password |
| 11:40.57 | Corrodias | i don't think the message said anything about it being an unimportant problem |
| 11:42.14 | Miravlix | I don't see anything even remotely rependant in the message. |
| 11:44.46 | Miravlix | If it was anyone other than lilo that has said those words, then yes, but since it was the main himself... it just comes out wrong from his mouth. |
| 11:45.49 | Corrodias | i guess i don't know enough about this network to comment further |
| 11:49.44 | dreamss | dam cabal went down |
| 11:54.38 | Miravlix | There new 48 bit password set. |
| 11:55.22 | Ktron | maybe they simply lost a copy of the passwd/shadow file equivalent for IRC |
| 11:55.45 | Corrodias | the sticky note on the monitor :P |
| 11:56.02 | Miravlix | Wouldn't work |
| 11:56.09 | Miravlix | ircd passwords is one way encrypted |
| 11:56.37 | Miravlix | Only lilo would have know the real password, no one else would have seen anything else but the hash |
| 11:57.23 | Miravlix | Problem is also that someone could access the system to pretend to be him |
| 11:58.04 | Miravlix | On smaller networks people has semi local O lines, so you can't steal the network and pretending to be an oper even after getting the highly insecure plaintext password doesn't give you access |
| 11:58.39 | Miravlix | If only lilo@statichostname.com could use his password |
| 11:58.56 | Miravlix | you get double security, both a location and a password has to be compromised |
| 11:59.57 | Miravlix | freenodes central administration policy without implementing ssh public/private keys or some other way to handle the lost security is dangerous. |
| 12:00.15 | Ktron | Miravlix, you can brute force most one way encryptions |
| 12:01.12 | Miravlix | Last I checked NSA still couldn't handle PGP and other public/private key encryptions |
| 12:01.27 | Miravlix | Sorry |
| 12:01.36 | Miravlix | You mean the 'simple' hash |
| 12:01.40 | Ktron | Well, I was talk about the passwords, and I figured they probably only use md5 or similar |
| 12:01.51 | Miravlix | Yeah, those isn't secure. |
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| 12:02.34 | Ktron | who knows, I'm just trying to construct a situation where suggesting we change our passwords wouldn't be in err |
| 12:02.35 | Miravlix | They use mkpasswd |
| 12:02.49 | Miravlix | I3xcs2fs2K0AA |
| 12:02.55 | Miravlix | command line /exec -out mkpasswd test |
| 12:03.35 | Miravlix | Shouldn't take you too long to come up with a word that matches that hash |
| 12:03.47 | Ktron | yeah |
| 12:04.15 | Ktron | let's see... mkpasswd's are always 10-characters long, right? |
| 12:04.31 | Miravlix | Thats why they need to implement better password security when they remove the host secuirty. |
| 12:04.51 | Ktron | and... assuming 100 characters for simplicity |
| 12:04.54 | Miravlix | Looking it up |
| 12:05.15 | Ktron | that's... 10^20 possibilities |
| 12:05.55 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.58 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.01 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.04 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.07 | Miravlix | Thats the algorithm |
| 12:06.27 | Miravlix | Warning: The key space consists of 2**56 equal 7.2e16 possible values. |
| 12:07.16 | Miravlix | the warning is due to crypt being crap for anything but passwords and not to hot for passwords either. |
| 12:08.01 | Ktron | that's actually bigger than I figured |
| 12:08.15 | Ktron | pretty massive |
| 12:08.36 | Ktron | at a million attempts a second, it'd still take over 2000 years |
| 12:08.53 | Ktron | you'd need some serious power to do much |
| 12:08.57 | Ktron | anyway, I need to go to work |
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| 12:44.46 | End | well, apparently someone may have been posing as nickserv |
| 12:44.50 | End | that's the issue |
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| 13:09.02 | ckknight | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8795795223394289910 |
| 13:21.38 | Kalroth | hot chicks? |
| 13:21.51 | Kalroth | oh, seen that one |
| 13:36.20 | Wobin | Any WowI admins on? |
| 13:36.21 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5251 |
| 13:36.27 | Wobin | GAMEGOLDS |
| 13:37.54 | Kirkburn | It's all censored? |
| 13:42.24 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:43.05 | Kalroth | man Wobin, the links doesn't work, now I can't figure out where to buy cheap gold for wow! |
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| 13:55.28 | Wobin | heheh http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/3686896.html |
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| 14:09.44 | End | goddammit, I was using the wrong variable name |
| 14:10.05 | End | turns out my code works |
| 14:10.24 | End | it gave the exact answer it should have if given nil |
| 14:16.02 | Kirkburn | zomg |
| 14:16.22 | End | pancakes? |
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| 14:24.38 | Wobin | End: I've had that issue when trying to use a variable named Fubar, when it should have been FuBar. |
| 14:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 14:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | The first few levels of being a druid |
| 14:37.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Suck hard |
| 14:37.51 | Thrae | Levels 1-10, sure |
| 14:38.00 | Thrae | Levels 1-9 I mean. |
| 14:38.14 | Thrae | Then you get Bear Form + 1 point in Ferocity to start owning. |
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| 14:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm at 7 current.y |
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| 14:41.41 | ScytheBlade1 | *currently |
| 14:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | hence the pain |
| 14:41.49 | Clinton | Hey all :D |
| 14:44.07 | krka|work | fortunately you aren't <10 for very long |
| 14:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 14:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Is bear form trained, or is there a quest for it? |
| 14:46.34 | End | quest |
| 14:46.39 | End | dire bear is trained though |
| 14:46.52 | Thrae | Cat Form is also trained |
| 14:47.05 | End | (although dire bear is level 40, so if you are worrying about bear form, you don't care about that yet) |
| 14:47.09 | ScytheBlade1 | At least my hearthstone is still set for darnassus |
| 14:47.33 | Thrae | At Level 10 you get Teleport: Moonglade, which gives you a free ride to Darnassus |
| 14:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, that's right! |
| 14:48.01 | End | you are better off putting your hearth to somewhere far away :P |
| 14:48.13 | Thrae | I usually like to bind myself at Ironforge or Stormwind after level 10 |
| 14:48.16 | krka|work | like IF or SW |
| 14:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | 33% through level 7 |
| 14:48.40 | End | not that means anything to me though, as I'm not alliance, but I know exactly what I'd do if I was :P |
| 14:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Teleport: Moonglade is trained though, right? |
| 14:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I can pick that up at SW? |
| 14:51.42 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:51.48 | Wobin | Dunno, I picked it up in Darny |
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| 14:52.09 | Wobin | Chances are you -have- to go to that specific mob in Darny |
| 14:53.05 | krka|work | mob? |
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| 14:54.31 | Wobin | trainer |
| 14:54.34 | Wobin | sorry |
| 14:54.37 | Wobin | MUD habits =P |
| 14:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ah k |
| 14:54.39 | Clinton | Anyone here program UIs? |
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| 14:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | In other news |
| 14:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Gatherer is a *very* nice addon |
| 14:57.05 | Wobin | yes |
| 14:57.16 | Wobin | Although big |
| 14:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not small |
| 14:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But it does the job well |
| 14:59.10 | Wobin | Aye |
| 14:59.21 | Wobin | Well, the job kinda requires it to be large, unfortunately |
| 14:59.46 | Wobin | Although, I wouldn't mind if the db was a little more streamlined (ie we could toggle off stuff we don't need) |
| 14:59.57 | Wobin | eg, number of hits on a node |
| 15:00.09 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
| 15:00.13 | krka|work | does gatherer need to be largy? |
| 15:00.14 | krka|work | large |
| 15:00.30 | Wobin | well, it's at heart a data storage addon |
| 15:00.38 | krka|work | well sure, the data is big |
| 15:00.42 | krka|work | but the code? |
| 15:00.58 | Wobin | I've never actually looked at it |
| 15:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It's probably the biggest addon code-size wise that I've ever seen |
| 15:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | CTRA included |
| 15:01.11 | Wobin | Auctioneer? |
| 15:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Never used it |
| 15:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Should, but I haven't |
| 15:01.23 | krka|work | much ui code in gatherer? |
| 15:01.33 | Wobin | It has to show the herbs on the minimap |
| 15:02.02 | Wobin | which updates every time you move I guess |
| 15:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 15:02.46 | krka|work | doesn't really explain code size :) |
| 15:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope ;) |
| 15:03.29 | ScytheBlade1 | But I use it anyways |
| 15:04.37 | krka|work | yeah, it's cool |
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| 15:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And I will say |
| 15:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Having a 60 to feed a low-level is nice |
| 15:05.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I send 2g + a bunch of bags his way |
| 15:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Boom, I'm set |
| 15:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, and a 20 slot herb bag |
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| 15:11.28 | Beladona | morning Cair, and everyone |
| 15:11.42 | KaeltenAway | hey bela |
| 15:11.44 | KaeltenAway | heya cair |
| 15:12.03 | KaeltenAway | ckknight went on an updating spree this morning |
| 15:13.38 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:13.40 | Wobin | 54 events today |
| 15:13.49 | Wobin | although 12 by ckknight |
| 15:14.02 | Wobin | Ace is beating FreeBSD |
| 15:14.34 | KaeltenAway | beating FreeBSD? |
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| 15:17.43 | Wobin | http://cia.navi.cx/ |
| 15:19.10 | Kaelten | thats neat |
| 15:19.52 | MoonWolf | we are slacking again. |
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| 15:21.26 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 15:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there a way to show the talent pane when you're under level 10? |
| 15:26.46 | Wobin | ToggleTalentFrame()? |
| 15:27.15 | Gryphen | that func has a level 10 check afaik |
| 15:27.39 | Gryphen | TalentFrame_Toggle() maybe |
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| 15:48.46 | s|loup | is there a new unitid like "raidtarget"? |
| 15:50.23 | Kaso | unfortualy not |
| 15:51.10 | s|loup | hm so i didnt understand the usability of the new raidtarget functions |
| 15:51.20 | Wobin | er |
| 15:51.25 | zenzelezz | the target icons? |
| 15:51.25 | Wobin | there's raid1target |
| 15:51.29 | Wobin | and raid2target |
| 15:51.40 | Wobin | oh |
| 15:51.43 | Wobin | for the icons |
| 15:51.45 | Wobin | no |
| 15:51.54 | zenzelezz | I'm asking, I don't know what he meants |
| 15:51.55 | zenzelezz | *means |
| 15:52.15 | s|loup | raid1target is a unitid? |
| 15:52.20 | wereHamster | yes |
| 15:52.29 | s|loup | ok thats all i want to know ^^ |
| 15:52.33 | wereHamster | raid1targetpet is one, too |
| 15:52.43 | zenzelezz | I find the target icons funny |
| 15:52.53 | Wobin | raid1pettarget |
| 15:52.56 | Wobin | (isn't it?) |
| 15:53.01 | s|loup | without that i didnt understand the usability for the SetRaidTarget or GetRaidTargetIndex functions |
| 15:53.16 | wereHamster | you can append unit ids however you want.. |
| 15:53.19 | zenzelezz | after my raid wiped on Shazzrah yesterday someone suddenly commented: "Why does he have a target icon? Afraid we'll pick the wrong mob?" |
| 15:53.32 | zenzelezz | somehow that just sounded funny |
| 15:53.49 | Wobin | zenzelezz: With paintball, I ask they be targetted so I can autotarget quickly for ToT if need be =P |
| 15:54.02 | s|loup | what the max for raidtargets? 5? |
| 15:54.13 | Wobin | there are 8 icons |
| 15:54.14 | zenzelezz | I have no idea what paintball you're talking about, nor ToT |
| 15:54.23 | s|loup | oh ok |
| 15:54.26 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5098 |
| 15:54.26 | JoshBorke | TargetOfTarget |
| 15:54.47 | Wobin | I use TargetOfTarget to heal the tank that's currently being whaled upon |
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| 15:55.29 | kaiden | Hey guys, Anyone know how i can take an RGB value and get it into a colorwheel value that i can enter in my unit frames? |
| 15:56.03 | zenzelezz | Wobin: so using Paintball you can ask the mod to target the mob marked with <icon of choice>? |
| 15:56.30 | Wobin | not specifically |
| 15:56.41 | Wobin | You can specify that Bossmobs get the skull/cross |
| 15:57.00 | Wobin | But otherwise whatever gets painted gets painted with the next available symbol |
| 15:57.12 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 15:57.14 | Wobin | sorry |
| 15:57.14 | Wobin | yes |
| 15:57.22 | Wobin | In autotarget mode |
| 15:57.31 | zenzelezz | I see; cheers |
| 15:57.33 | Wobin | You select a specific symbol and it'll try and target it for you |
| 15:57.45 | zenzelezz | might try it out sometime... have to see if the raids use the icons first |
| 15:57.46 | Wobin | If no-one is targetting it at that moment, it switches to mouseover mode |
| 15:58.00 | Wobin | so you then swipe the cursor across the screen and it pulls in the right target |
| 15:59.27 | kaiden | Ok, i tried an HSB converter RGB->HSB, but apparently the color wheel rounds down on alot of colors and isn't a true HSB value |
| 16:00.30 | Kirkburn | Heh, very good: http://media.thechrispirilloshow.com/mp3/yourepitiful.mp3 |
| 16:00.45 | Kirkburn | Cookies to whoever can identify who it is (and don't go looking it up please) |
| 16:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Chris Prillo? |
| 16:02.53 | s|loup | i miss a function to know what raidtargets are set |
| 16:03.34 | JoshBorke | ( clad|sleep ): you here? |
| 16:03.44 | Wobin | MR Wheaton? =P |
| 16:03.45 | JoshBorke | ( s|loup ): i don't think there is one |
| 16:04.05 | s|loup | yeah i will post it as a suggestion |
| 16:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Finally |
| 16:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Entangling roots |
| 16:06.09 | Kirkburn | nope, ScytheBlade1 |
| 16:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | no? |
| 16:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | no what? |
| 16:08.29 | kaiden | Anyone have any idea's of how i can convert an RGB true value ie 37/255 to one that i can use in WoW's color wheel? |
| 16:09.27 | Thrae | kaiden: string.format("%2x%2x%2x", r, g, b) |
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| 16:09.41 | ToastTheif | join #wowace |
| 16:10.02 | zenzelezz | was that a typo or a ninja-advertisement? |
| 16:10.18 | Thrae | kaiden: Or if you're working with literals, then just google RGB2HEX |
| 16:10.31 | ToastTheif | typo |
| 16:10.38 | ToastTheif | needed a / in front of it |
| 16:11.14 | Elkano | Thrae, wouldn't it be string.format("%2x%2x%2x", r*255, g*255, b*255) ? |
| 16:11.38 | Thrae | If you're dealing with Blizzard RGB, yes |
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| 16:16.28 | Kirkburn | ScytheBlade1, sorry, suddenly had a fone call. It was in fact Weird Al Yankovic |
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| 16:17.20 | JoshBorke | morning ckknight |
| 16:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirkburn, lol, k |
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| 16:21.01 | kaiden | Thrae, thad converts to HEX, i'm trying to get a color wheel value from a RGB value.. color wheel uses 0-1 where as RGB uses 0-255 |
| 16:21.22 | Thrae | r*255,g*255,b*255 |
| 16:22.18 | kaiden | that pumps out some weird pseudo hex number, 30cfe21d26d9 for what i'm trying to get |
| 16:22.42 | kaiden | essentially i'm trying to use the colors 49/255, 227/255, 39/255 in the color wheel |
| 16:24.40 | Thrae | No no |
| 16:25.17 | Thrae | I'm saying, if you have R,G,B as 0 through 1, then multiply each by 255 and you'll have decimal RGB for a color-wheel. |
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| 16:30.47 | Legorol^ | hm, so.. is it just me, or if a user posts a vague bug report on your addon's page, and you ask for clarification/screenshot, they never show up again? |
| 16:32.07 | Tain | Fixed |
| 16:32.52 | Gryphen | pebkac |
| 16:32.56 | Legorol^ | yay, so nowadays you can write addons that automagically fix bugs for themselves? |
| 16:32.59 | Cairenn | eye dee ten tee |
| 16:33.14 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: O.o |
| 16:33.23 | Legorol^ | I D 10 T ? |
| 16:33.24 | Cairenn | I D 10 T |
| 16:33.30 | Cairenn | IDIOT |
| 16:33.33 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 16:33.40 | Cairenn | you've not heard that one before? |
| 16:33.43 | Legorol^ | nope |
| 16:33.45 | Legorol^ | it's a good one |
| 16:34.05 | Cairenn | yeah, the good ol eye dee ten tee error |
| 16:34.06 | Legorol^ | actually, i've seen it one a forum post once as id 10 T |
| 16:34.22 | Legorol^ | i thought it was some kinda binary joke |
| 16:34.23 | Cairenn | if you spell it out phonetically, it works better ;) |
| 16:34.40 | Legorol^ | like the one about "there are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't" |
| 16:34.45 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
| 16:34.46 | zenzelezz | depends on your language o_O |
| 16:34.54 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: point |
| 16:35.13 | Legorol^ | i'm so going to be using this.. |
| 16:35.14 | Legorol^ | :) |
| 16:35.28 | Legorol^ | but the problem is with users not coming back: |
| 16:35.38 | Cairenn | still applies ;) |
| 16:35.50 | Legorol^ | i never find out if it's pebkac, id 10T, or a genuine issue |
| 16:36.10 | Legorol^ | oh well |
| 16:36.33 | Cairenn | if they can't be bothered to give you enough info to actually work with ... |
| 16:36.46 | JoshBorke | clad|sleep! i know you'r not asleep =/ |
| 16:36.46 | Kirkburn | It could be misinterpreted as an 'identity' issue |
| 16:37.02 | Legorol^ | well i think some people are well-meaning, just not technically minded |
| 16:37.02 | Legorol^ | you need to walk them through providing info by asking specific questions |
| 16:37.07 | Legorol^ | i have no problem with that, if they do show up again |
| 16:37.47 | Cairenn | agreed, but not showing up again works out the same |
| 16:37.54 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: he's at work, I'd imagine |
| 16:38.26 | End | Legorol^: I just put worksforme after a certain period of time. |
| 16:38.38 | Legorol^ | aye |
| 16:38.58 | Cairenn | the way I see it, if it really bothers them, they'll continue to follow up on it |
| 16:39.06 | Cairenn | if they can't be bothered, then why should you? |
| 16:39.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 16:39.27 | Tain | Nah they'll just post somewhere else how the author is a mean asshole who never responds to anything and never fixes bugs |
| 16:39.28 | Legorol^ | because there might be others also experiencing that problem, who haven't come to the forums about it |
| 16:39.42 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: unfortunatley i'm cursed with a bit more responsible attitude :( |
| 16:39.42 | Cairenn | Tain: yeah, well =/ |
| 16:39.53 | Legorol^ | hehe, that too :) |
| 16:39.57 | Cairenn | Legorol^: I know, but there's only so much you can do |
| 16:40.01 | Legorol^ | true |
| 16:40.06 | Tem | so, I'm just noticing that the function to get XP is UnitXP |
| 16:40.14 | Tem | does that work for other units as well? |
| 16:40.22 | Legorol^ | oth, i work my charms for EU players often enough.. |
| 16:40.25 | Tem | like-- say-- target? |
| 16:40.39 | Legorol^ | the other day i found a workaround for an issue where a large number of players were not able to log in to the beta forums |
| 16:40.40 | Tem | Cairenn, need something from me? |
| 16:40.41 | Legorol^ | that felt good :) |
| 16:40.53 | Cairenn | Tem: nope, was just saying hi |
| 16:41.00 | Tem | oh, hi! |
| 16:41.05 | Legorol^ | belate helo |
| 16:41.10 | Legorol^ | s/belate/belated/ |
| 16:41.18 | Tem | sorry, I've been retarded busy here at work |
| 16:41.22 | Legorol^ | oh, good thing i remembered, the ^ in my nick is really annoying, isn't it |
| 16:41.25 | Legorol^ | i better change it |
| 16:41.27 | End | helllos |
| 16:41.31 | Cairenn | well that's appropriate Tem ;) |
| 16:41.42 | Cairenn | ROFL Legorolo |
| 16:41.44 | End | Legorolo: o_O |
| 16:42.01 | Thrae | If I do Foo = function() Foo = nil end, will that set the function Foo up for GC? |
| 16:42.09 | Tem | yes |
| 16:42.14 | Tem | no |
| 16:42.22 | Thrae | Wait...yes or no? |
| 16:42.27 | End | sideways |
| 16:42.31 | Tem | not until you run it? |
| 16:42.37 | Mikk1 | Aye |
| 16:42.39 | Tem | but yes eventually |
| 16:42.45 | Legorolo | Thrae: simply doing Foo = nil; will set it up |
| 16:42.46 | Thrae | OK, Foo = function() Foo = nil end Foo() |
| 16:42.49 | Mikk1 | Unless something else has a ref to it of course |
| 16:42.53 | Legorolo | Thrae: overkill |
| 16:42.57 | Legorolo | just do Foo=nil; |
| 16:43.25 | Thrae | Legorolo: It's an OnUpdate function I only need to do one thing, then never again. |
| 16:43.32 | Legorolo | ok |
| 16:43.33 | Mikk1 | Heh, funky. Cleaning out your own code. |
| 16:43.36 | Legorolo | then why is it OnUpdate :) |
| 16:43.46 | Mikk1 | Thrae: You'll need to SetScript("OnUpdate",nil) also |
| 16:43.46 | Tem | to run on the first |
| 16:43.47 | Legorolo | but yeah, if you want a one-shot trigger, just use that form |
| 16:43.55 | Thrae | Mikk1: Yep, already did that |
| 16:43.58 | Mikk1 | Ah k |
| 16:43.58 | End | because it needs to run at next possible chance? |
| 16:44.09 | Tem | speak of chances and stuff |
| 16:44.11 | End | (I'm guessing at random) |
| 16:44.13 | Tem | End |
| 16:44.15 | Tem | Yatlas |
| 16:44.15 | End | uh oh |
| 16:44.17 | End | hi |
| 16:44.20 | Thrae | Well, I found function hooking is a little easier with OnUpdate rather then PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 16:44.25 | Gryphen | heya |
| 16:44.47 | Tem | lol |
| 16:44.58 | Legorolo | Thrae: you can simplify it a bit though |
| 16:45.11 | End | Tem: I've been working on it! Honest! (and I'm trying to make the code a lot less fugly) |
| 16:45.42 | Legorolo | frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() ... code you want run once ... ; this:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil); end) |
| 16:45.45 | Tem | I'm just really looking forward to seeing it not freeze up when I drag the map |
| 16:45.55 | End | Tem: yeah, that's another thing I'm working on |
| 16:46.16 | Tem | I really need to update |
| 16:46.19 | Legorolo | End: whatare you working on? |
| 16:46.23 | Thrae | Legorolo: Hmm, would that work if I want to wait 1 second before doing anything? |
| 16:46.31 | End | Legorolo: El Yatlaso |
| 16:46.38 | Legorolo | Thrae: nope, wouldn't |
| 16:46.38 | Tem | since I'm starting to get annoyed by it poping up on Login |
| 16:46.51 | End | Tem: yeah, I failed to specify hidden="true" |
| 16:46.53 | Tem | oh, and the see through spot in EPL isn't too nice either |
| 16:47.24 | End | yeah, patches cause that, since I have to reference the textures by md5 |
| 16:47.25 | Legorolo | i thought hidden="true" is the default.. |
| 16:47.33 | End | Legorolo: that's what I thought too |
| 16:47.33 | Tem | no |
| 16:47.33 | Thrae | I'm waiting 1 second via GetTime() (client time) to delay my hooks a little. |
| 16:47.45 | Tem | Thrae, that sounds dirty |
| 16:47.50 | Tem | *very* dirty |
| 16:47.56 | End | turns out, I was a normal ui panel frame thingy, and that would get me hidden |
| 16:47.57 | Legorolo | Thrae: if you need to wait one second, use the arg1 of the OnUpdate |
| 16:48.10 | End | but this last patch changed it so frames don't get closed on zoning |
| 16:48.17 | End | so they removed the CloseAllWindows() |
| 16:48.22 | Thrae | Tem: That's the way Ace currently works, it hooks in the first few OnUpdates ;) |
| 16:48.34 | Tem | no |
| 16:48.36 | Tem | it does not |
| 16:48.44 | Legorolo | like this: function MyFrame_OnUpdate() MyFrameTimer = (MyFrameTimer or 0) + arg1; if (MyFrameTimer < 1) then return; end .. one sec has passed, do your stuff .. end |
| 16:48.45 | Thrae | Well, I'm going by what cladhaire told me |
| 16:49.02 | Tem | you misunderstood |
| 16:49.22 | Legorolo | arg1 of OnUpdate is a really useful thing |
| 16:49.28 | Tem | very useful |
| 16:49.33 | Legorolo | it's the time that has elapsed since the last call to that OnUpdate |
| 16:49.39 | Tem | oh dear, another site with a data collection client |
| 16:49.43 | Legorolo | wowhead? |
| 16:50.03 | Tem | ya, that's the one |
| 16:50.11 | Mikk1 | That's so last night's news =P |
| 16:50.13 | Legorolo | i already ranted about that |
| 16:50.28 | Legorolo | it violates the EULA for the user, and the user doesn't knwo it |
| 16:50.39 | Tem | Legorolo, oh? |
| 16:50.46 | Thrae | I asked cladhaire, "How does Ace ALWAYS manage to hook functions AFTER all the other addons?", cladhaire: "The hook is done in the first few OnUpdate calls instead of all in PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" |
| 16:50.47 | Legorolo | it uploads WDB files |
| 16:51.13 | Tem | still wrong |
| 16:51.22 | Tem | it runs your OnEnable functions then |
| 16:51.28 | Tem | which is where YOU hook |
| 16:51.43 | Thrae | Right, I was giving you only a piece of the dialogue |
| 16:51.59 | Tem | even still, that's a new thing |
| 16:52.09 | Tem | ace1.x doesn't do that, iirc |
| 16:52.31 | Tem | Legorolo, how is that against the eula? |
| 16:52.36 | Thrae | Ace 1.3.1 does do that, because CC_Tooltip is able to hook the tooltip after every other addon |
| 16:52.47 | Legorolo | data mining client files |
| 16:52.49 | Tem | that's because most things hook at OnLoad |
| 16:52.54 | Tem | where you are hooking at PEW |
| 16:52.58 | Tem | (or shortly after) |
| 16:52.59 | Legorolo | all major sites do it, e.g. thott, alla etc. |
| 16:53.03 | Legorolo | but it's their problem |
| 16:53.15 | Legorolo | if they give a tool to the user that does so, they need to have a disclaimer |
| 16:53.17 | Thrae | Tem: No, I'm talking about CC_Tooltip Hook vs MyRoleplay PEW hook |
| 16:53.36 | Tem | then Myroleplay registered for PEW before AceEventFrame |
| 16:53.49 | Tem | (or the event system switched over and I didn't know) |
| 16:53.57 | Thrae | I thought RegisterEvent was handled alphabetically? |
| 16:54.00 | Tem | no |
| 16:54.13 | Mikk1 | has to do with order of registration iirc |
| 16:54.13 | Thrae | Erm, OnLoad I mean |
| 16:54.20 | Tem | no |
| 16:54.35 | Thrae | So what is the order to the madness? |
| 16:54.36 | Tem | common misconception/myth |
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| 16:55.18 | Legorolo | i'd imagine order of calls for registered events is not guaranteed in any form |
| 16:55.54 | Legorolo | OnLoad does have a guaranteed order |
| 16:55.55 | Tem | Legorolo, I don't remember when, but I seem to remember being told that it was called based on order of registration |
| 16:55.56 | Mikk1 | If I was an asshole API developer, I'd scramble the order every once in a while programatically |
| 16:56.03 | Legorolo | Tem: could be |
| 16:56.12 | Legorolo | Mikk1: lol |
| 16:56.16 | Tem | it's handled in whatever order the OS gives the folders to WoW |
| 16:56.21 | Legorolo | Iriel made an explanation about the order of OnLoads |
| 16:56.25 | Mikk1 | I've done similar things in debug builds in other largeish projects |
| 16:56.27 | Tem | in some cases it does go alpha |
| 16:56.32 | Mikk1 | Does wonders in spotting bad assumptions |
| 16:56.34 | Tem | others it goes by date |
| 16:56.53 | Tain | I think though in *most* casees it goes alpha which is why people think that's usually the case. |
| 16:57.07 | Tain | So it's just enough to be misleading and cause problems if you don't know. |
| 16:57.21 | Mikk1 | alpha = name of mods? that might make sense |
| 16:57.25 | Thrae | Yeah, in *nix/Mac OSX it would be easier to fiddle with that setting then Windows, which is what I'm testing on. |
| 16:57.26 | Tem | I still get annoyed by people naming addons "!MyAddon" |
| 16:57.39 | Mikk1 | seeing as how mods might get copied in by alpha if copied from another place |
| 16:58.02 | Mikk1 | installing them one by one would give another directory order tho |
| 16:58.02 | End | Tem, that annoys me too, but there is no way to enforce load order in places where it really matters. |
| 16:58.07 | Tain | See I don't care about !Addon because it works for me. :) |
| 16:58.20 | End | I mean, no way other than that |
| 16:58.24 | Tain | But I'd never release anything doing that. |
| 16:59.36 | Tem | "I'm more important than everyone else. Load me FIRST!" |
| 16:59.52 | Tem | ~kick stupid people |
| 16:59.57 | purl | bugger off sod! |
| 17:00.12 | Tain | Yeah but there's some things you do want to load before everyone else. |
| 17:00.12 | Beladona | what if everyone used !MyAddon |
| 17:00.20 | Beladona | would pretty much defeat the purpose |
| 17:00.26 | Tain | Nuh uh Beladona. |
| 17:00.34 | Tain | You can start using !!MyAddon |
| 17:00.38 | Beladona | true |
| 17:00.49 | Beladona | the point is, it is a neverending "race" to be first |
| 17:00.59 | Tem | and it's stupid |
| 17:01.03 | Beladona | aye |
| 17:01.13 | Thrae | !!Warmup, !BugGrabber, !ChatBox, !ClearFont, !OmniCC, !StopTheSpam ;) |
| 17:01.20 | Beladona | I consider it lazy |
| 17:01.31 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 17:01.31 | End | Warmup and BugGrabber I think are justified |
| 17:01.39 | Tem | why would ChatBox or OmniCC need to load before anything else? |
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| 17:01.45 | Tem | samewith clearfont |
| 17:02.04 | krka | if only we had the author here to ask |
| 17:02.06 | End | especially warmup |
| 17:02.06 | Tem | I heart StoptheSpam |
| 17:02.12 | Kirkburn | if only... |
| 17:02.15 | End | warmup would be pretty useless if it didn't run first :P |
| 17:02.17 | Beladona | some things it is justified sure |
| 17:02.38 | Tain | ChatBox because other addons can cause problems if it doesn't load first. Multiple chat related things. I ran into that with VisorEditBox |
| 17:02.43 | Tain | (I'm assuming) |
| 17:02.44 | Beladona | the problem is, it isn't a fullproof method |
| 17:02.49 | Beladona | anyone can use it just because they want to |
| 17:02.57 | Kirkburn | Partly it's a result of the way LoD addons call fonts.xml |
| 17:03.09 | End | Beladona, there will never be a fullproof method |
| 17:03.09 | Kirkburn | Once they do, everything ClearFont does goes out of the window |
| 17:03.28 | Tain | Of course it's not foolproof, until someone comes up with a better method though I'm very egocentric and will use what works for me. |
| 17:03.46 | End | the -only- people who can determine that their code will run first is Blizzard |
| 17:03.56 | End | all AddOns are created "equal" beyond that |
| 17:04.08 | Beladona | obviously there can't be a method that is both fullproof and accessible to addon authors |
| 17:04.17 | Beladona | being accessible means anyone can use it |
| 17:04.19 | Kirkburn | I could probably rename it zClearFont, but I don't want the hassle and the possibility of problems |
| 17:04.21 | Beladona | which negates the usefullness |
| 17:04.25 | Wobin | two tocs baaaad four tocs gooooood |
| 17:04.37 | End | no, it just means addon authors need to be responsible |
| 17:04.41 | End | which might be asking a lot |
| 17:04.46 | Wobin | omg |
| 17:04.51 | Beladona | there will always be irresponsible addon authors though |
| 17:04.51 | Thrae | Ah, maybe LoD is why OmniCC ( a cooldown count mod ) does it, since some action button addons are LoD |
| 17:04.52 | End | but, that's what is required to make it work |
| 17:05.04 | Tem | who cares? |
| 17:05.17 | Tem | I was planning on writing something like OmniCC |
| 17:05.22 | Tem | you don't need to be first |
| 17:05.27 | Beladona | it doesn't matter that much, except to people that really NEED the loading priority |
| 17:05.29 | Tem | I did all the "research" |
| 17:06.01 | Tain | But there is a need for it. |
| 17:06.16 | Tem | you might not catch cooldowns that are already running when you load, but being the first to load would fix that anyway |
| 17:06.22 | Tain | Or let's say "very strong desire" |
| 17:06.23 | Kirkburn | If someone knows if it's no longer needed with CF, I would appreciate it :P |
| 17:06.39 | Beladona | addons like warmup don't HAVE to be first, it just helps when you want to see login time |
| 17:06.40 | Tain | I *WANT* BugSack to catch errors from other addons loading. I can't do that if it doesn't load first. |
| 17:07.09 | Tain | If you want to know the information Warmup provides on login then yes it does have to. If you don't want that information then no of course not. |
| 17:07.15 | Beladona | right |
| 17:07.20 | Kirkburn | Which would make warmup slightly pointless |
| 17:07.21 | Tain | But that's like saying you don't HAVE to use any addon. |
| 17:07.29 | Tain | You use it because you want the functionality it provides. |
| 17:07.41 | Beladona | we are arguing the same point |
| 17:07.44 | Beladona | lol |
| 17:07.45 | End | yes |
| 17:08.21 | Tem | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 17:08.37 | Tem | sorry |
| 17:08.48 | Tem | I'm jus sore because someone else had the same idea as me |
| 17:08.57 | Kirkburn | I have a question! Anyone know how font changing actually works? :) I need to know whether they apply retroactively. i.e. X inherits Y, later on I change Y - does X change? |
| 17:08.59 | Tem | and didn't implement it as cleanly as I think it should have been |
| 17:09.08 | End | Tem: I think they may have done that due to laziness. Handling one case where everyone is after you instead of being in the middle. |
| 17:09.21 | Tem | exactly |
| 17:09.35 | Tem | laxy coding "grinds my gears" |
| 17:09.42 | Tem | s/x/z/ |
| 17:09.56 | Tain | Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right |
| 17:10.03 | Tem | family guy references for the day: 3/20 |
| 17:10.13 | Legorolo | Kirkburn: afaik, yes |
| 17:10.16 | End | You know what really grinds my gears? This Lindsay Lohan" |
| 17:10.24 | Legorolo | my understanding is that that's the whole point of the new Font objects |
| 17:10.24 | Cairenn|afk | rofl, I like this quote: "If you borrow $2000 dollars from a bank and can't pay it back, you have a problem, but if you borrow a million and can't repay, they have a problem." |
| 17:10.41 | Beladona | hehe |
| 17:10.41 | Tain | haha |
| 17:10.42 | Tem | later Cair |
| 17:10.48 | End | usually when they lend you money they check to see if you might be able to pay them back :P |
| 17:10.51 | End | cya Cairenn|afk |
| 17:11.02 | Kirkburn | Legorolo, if it's true, then I can indeed change ClearFont from having a ! at the start of the name to a z =) But it would make much difference as it reloads after every addon load anyway :P |
| 17:11.14 | Beladona | and make sure you have adequate collateral to cover the cost if you can't |
| 17:11.20 | End | yeah |
| 17:11.29 | Tem | Kirkburn, as far as I know, it is retroactive |
| 17:11.41 | Legorolo | changes to Font object at least are supposed to be |
| 17:11.43 | Tem | which is, I think, the whole point of the font Object system |
| 17:11.44 | Tain | So if you really want your addon loading first then write a small program someone has to run to add your addon to the OptionalDeps line in each toc. :) |
| 17:11.53 | Legorolo | there are some behaviours that i haven't played around with, that can throw that off |
| 17:12.03 | Legorolo | iriel knows lot more about font property "inheritance" |
| 17:12.13 | End | Tain: ew, that's even fuglier imo |
| 17:12.17 | Wobin | Where is Iriel? =( |
| 17:12.17 | Tem | I think he wrote it all down somewhere |
| 17:12.20 | Legorolo | something about if an inheriting font explicitly overrides a property, then changing the original won't change that property |
| 17:12.21 | Tain | haha of course it is |
| 17:12.28 | Legorolo | but i am very not sure on this, as i never bothered to play around with it |
| 17:12.32 | Kirkburn | Bah, I'll leave it for now. I doubt ClearFont manages to take even half a second of load time |
| 17:12.33 | Mikk1 | Legorolo: That'd make sense |
| 17:12.52 | Legorolo | Mikk1: you can argue the case for both behaviours |
| 17:13.06 | Legorolo | you could say that changing a root font should propagate down, overwriting inherited changes |
| 17:13.17 | Legorolo | and you could argue the other way round too, explicit changes should be kept |
| 17:13.24 | Legorolo | i think it's a design decisions |
| 17:13.32 | Legorolo | now afaik, WoW does the 2nd of these |
| 17:13.39 | Mikk1 | Having root changes override local tweaks would mean lots and lots of explicit coding though |
| 17:13.57 | Legorolo | it depends on how you implemented inheritance |
| 17:14.06 | Mikk1 | The laziest way would be that if anything is tweaked, you get a local copy which doesn't change AT ALL even if most values remain the same |
| 17:14.19 | Legorolo | if you implement inheritance by having a parent-child relationship, and other than that, each Font object simply has a full liist of properties, |
| 17:14.32 | Legorolo | then it's more work to establish what was explicitly changed and what was inherited |
| 17:14.45 | Mikk1 | True |
| 17:14.54 | Beladona | damn |
| 17:15.08 | Legorolo | but if Font properties are implemented as a list which can have entries missing, |
| 17:15.15 | Beladona | there is this font I want to use in-game, and the guy that made it was too lazy to bother with making numerals |
| 17:15.20 | Legorolo | then its easier to have explicit vs. inherited |
| 17:15.21 | Beladona | bastige |
| 17:15.30 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 17:15.38 | Legorolo | just use the reverse of leet ;-) |
| 17:15.45 | Mikk1 | arf |
| 17:15.46 | Legorolo | l = 1, e = 3, t = 7 |
| 17:15.49 | Legorolo | etc. |
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| 17:16.15 | Legorolo | or, use roman numerals ;-) |
| 17:16.59 | End | You crit monster-foo for MCLLII damage. |
| 17:17.03 | krka | reverse of 1337... eww |
| 17:17.19 | Beladona | this is to replace the font for the name of the zone you are in |
| 17:17.21 | krka | and roman numerals are a retarded system |
| 17:17.21 | Tem | I think I'll use that in a password someday |
| 17:17.25 | krka | that's why the roman empire fell |
| 17:17.25 | Legorolo | End: isn't that an invalid number? |
| 17:17.28 | Legorolo | i thought L is 50 |
| 17:17.29 | Beladona | I don't have control if it uses numerals |
| 17:17.33 | Legorolo | so CLL should never happen |
| 17:17.38 | Kirkburn | Interesting, Bastige is an insult |
| 17:17.45 | End | I thought L was 100 |
| 17:17.50 | Legorolo | End: yes it is |
| 17:17.53 | Legorolo | ehm.. |
| 17:17.54 | Legorolo | no it's not |
| 17:17.54 | Tem | C is 100, no> |
| 17:17.55 | Legorolo | C is |
| 17:17.55 | krka | no, C is 100? |
| 17:17.55 | Tem | ? |
| 17:17.56 | zenzelezz | 50 |
| 17:17.59 | zenzelezz | L = 50 |
| 17:17.59 | Kirkburn | D |
| 17:18.00 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 17:18.01 | krka | C for centi |
| 17:18.03 | Tem | L = 50 |
| 17:18.05 | krka | M for mega |
| 17:18.11 | Tem | M = 1000 |
| 17:18.12 | End | ahh, you're right |
| 17:18.17 | krka | X for deci... damn it |
| 17:18.18 | Fanook | D = 500 |
| 17:18.20 | gnorlish | MCMXVIII |
| 17:18.23 | Legorolo | Kirkburn: bastige = distortion of bastard |
| 17:18.25 | Beladona | Bastige: Name used to describe someone extremely annoying but not worth wasting foul language on |
| 17:18.38 | zenzelezz | 1918? |
| 17:18.38 | Beladona | according to Urban Dictionary |
| 17:18.41 | Kirkburn | Legorolo, thank you =) |
| 17:18.50 | Tem | 1918? |
| 17:18.51 | krka | what's with the o lego? |
| 17:18.51 | gnorlish | 1918 indeed |
| 17:18.52 | End | hey, I know M is a thousand at least :P |
| 17:19.03 | Kirkburn | Someone gave him a chocolate? |
| 17:19.07 | Legorolo | krka: alternate PC, with alternate nick. I used to be called Legorol^ on here |
| 17:19.15 | Legorolo | until i tried to read a chat log once |
| 17:19.22 | Legorolo | and realised it hurt my eyes |
| 17:19.22 | Tem | lol |
| 17:19.26 | krka | IIIIIIV = -1? |
| 17:19.29 | Tem | Legorolo, you aren't along then |
| 17:19.34 | zenzelezz | no |
| 17:19.35 | Kirkburn | duomilia sepingenti quinquaginta duo |
| 17:19.36 | Tem | krka, syxtax error on line 1 |
| 17:19.39 | Kirkburn | Translate =) |
| 17:19.44 | zenzelezz | only one I can precede a V/X |
| 17:19.54 | Kirkburn | We-elll |
| 17:19.58 | Kirkburn | Two is possible |
| 17:20.02 | zenzelezz | Battlefield MCMXLII |
| 17:20.07 | gnorlish | there were no negative numbers for romans |
| 17:20.10 | gnorlish | and no zero |
| 17:20.29 | Beladona | anyone know of some ttf fonts that look good as size 12 with thick outline |
| 17:20.36 | krka | how do you say 1000000000000 in roman? |
| 17:20.43 | Beladona | in wow I mean |
| 17:20.49 | Tem | krka, you don't |
| 17:20.49 | zenzelezz | don't think they did, but probably lots of Ms |
| 17:20.59 | Tem | their system couldn't go above.... |
| 17:21.01 | Wobin | That could be 1 2 3 4 =P |
| 17:21.05 | Kirkburn | mille mille mille milia |
| 17:21.10 | krka | stacking Ms won't work? |
| 17:21.15 | Legorolo | krka: math.pow(X,XII) |
| 17:21.22 | Wobin | 2 |
| 17:21.25 | Wobin | er |
| 17:21.44 | Kirkburn | An underlined M is one million |
| 17:22.01 | gnorlish | i'm reading that apparently the subtraction rule was rarely used, even by romans |
| 17:22.14 | zenzelezz | what rule was that? |
| 17:22.15 | krka | O_o |
| 17:22.23 | gnorlish | using a smaller before larger denoted multiplication |
| 17:22.24 | Wobin | 2,707,542 |
| 17:22.38 | Kirkburn | When a numeral has an underline or an overline, its value is increased a thousandfold |
| 17:22.45 | gnorlish | subtraction rule of putting a smaller in front of a larger |
| 17:22.50 | End | Kirkburn: yeah, that's what I'm reading too |
| 17:22.51 | krka | wtf do you know so much about a useless number system? :) |
| 17:22.57 | End | me, I use google |
| 17:22.59 | zenzelezz | because it's fun |
| 17:23.01 | Wobin | wiki is obviously your friend =P |
| 17:23.09 | Legorolo | i thought google was my friend :( |
| 17:23.25 | krka | you can only maintain one friend at a time? |
| 17:23.32 | Kirkburn | Therefore I guess for numbers over one million, they had problems |
| 17:23.44 | Kirkburn | However, I doubt they really had much call for that |
| 17:23.46 | End | Legorolo's friends get jealous |
| 17:23.52 | Kirkburn | Possibly double underlines, I suppose |
| 17:24.02 | Tem | Kirkburn, I think the overline and underlines came up long after Rome fell |
| 17:24.02 | gnorlish | M with an overbar |
| 17:24.04 | End | thus, he has to switch off friends |
| 17:24.23 | End | yeah, it probably did |
| 17:24.25 | gnorlish | overbar was a 1k multiplier |
| 17:25.29 | Tem | ah, yes I see |
| 17:25.37 | Tem | the overbar wasn't added until the middle ages |
| 17:25.44 | MoonWolf | stupid numeral system anyway |
| 17:25.47 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:25.52 | Thrae | Hmmm. If I do local empty = "", local t1,t2,t3,t4 = empty,empty,empty,empty, am I actually saving anything? |
| 17:25.59 | MoonWolf | lets count, without zero! |
| 17:26.08 | Tem | Thrae, no |
| 17:26.13 | gnorlish | it's not hard to count without zero |
| 17:26.23 | gnorlish | nor is it hard to do the math the did without zero |
| 17:26.25 | Tem | local t1,t2,t3,t4 = "","","","" |
| 17:26.38 | MoonWolf | MXXVII is pretty damn complicated. |
| 17:26.39 | Thrae | I thought "" creates a new string, and I didn't want to create 4 new empty strings. |
| 17:26.42 | End | string data is shared anyways I think |
| 17:26.47 | Tem | 127 |
| 17:26.53 | Tem | 1027* |
| 17:26.56 | Kirkburn | "Roman Numerals, as we know them, was the standard numbering system and method of Arithmetic in Ancient Rome and Europe until about 900 AD, when the Arabic Numbering System, which was originated by the Hindu's, came into use. The concept of zero did not exist in Europe until after the late 900's AD; thus, there was no Roman Numeral symbol for 0 (zero). The concept of negative numbers was not yet around either." |
| 17:26.57 | End | but that's an internal detail you probably shouldn't care about |
| 17:27.25 | zenzelezz | once you know what the letters mean I find it rather easy... at least the way I was taught that they work |
| 17:27.45 | Tem | I wrote a parser for them once |
| 17:27.48 | Thrae | If something could be nil, do you use (maybenil or ""), or do you use ("" or maybenil) |
| 17:27.49 | Tem | in TIBASIC |
| 17:28.05 | Kirkburn | Cripes, I think putting 1,000,000,000,000 into the convertor was a baaad idea |
| 17:28.06 | MoonWolf | hex and oct are relativly easy for me, roman is not. |
| 17:28.06 | Tem | maybenil or "" |
| 17:28.17 | Thrae | I've had (maybenil or "") sometimes come up with "maybenil is nil" error messages |
| 17:28.24 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 17:28.34 | Kirkburn | ach |
| 17:28.58 | Kirkburn | IE sure is enjoying the calculation practise |
| 17:29.00 | zenzelezz | I find roman easier than hex/oct... at least roman is still base-10 |
| 17:29.07 | Thrae | In cases of string.format("%s", maybenil or ""), it'll try using maybenil instead of "" |
| 17:29.09 | Kirkburn | "Can I have my computer back now?" |
| 17:29.49 | MoonWolf | no |
| 17:29.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 17:29.51 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 17:30.08 | MoonWolf | return of the evil cairenn clone! |
| 17:30.22 | End | does that mean we don't have to stop the party? |
| 17:30.29 | Kirkburn | Does it have a goatee? They normally have goatees |
| 17:31.10 | Cairenn | no, I don't have a goatee :p |
| 17:31.15 | krka | Kirkburn, i was stupid enough to do the same thing in a javascript converter :) |
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| 17:31.36 | Kirkburn | I'm vaguely disappointed |
| 17:31.45 | Kirkburn | Oooh, not by this arrival though :P |
| 17:32.22 | Kirkburn | I've finally wrested control of my computer back |
| 17:33.17 | Kirkburn | Don't you hate it when everyone suddenly leaves =( |
| 17:36.05 | MoonWolf | yes |
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| 17:36.38 | MoonWolf | Kirkburn, the goatee's are for evil versions from a mirror dimention / transporter accident. |
| 17:36.52 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 17:37.14 | Kirkburn | Although evil Bender was the one without the goatee :) |
| 17:38.48 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 17:38.52 | Tem | I disagree |
| 17:38.54 | Tem | sort of |
| 17:39.17 | Tem | I treat "evil" as sort of a "not" operator |
| 17:39.19 | MoonWolf | please supply us with funny reaons. |
| 17:39.34 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Legorolo (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 17:39.37 | MoonWolf | reasons* |
| 17:39.57 | Tem | so if "normal Bender" is "evil bender" |
| 17:40.08 | Kirkburn | I didn't realise Legorol was at cambridge uni :/ Bastards rejected me :P |
| 17:40.09 | Tem | then "evil Bender" is "evil evil Bender" |
| 17:40.37 | krka | maybe you should say anti instead of evil |
| 17:40.42 | Tem | perhaps |
| 17:40.45 | Tem | oh well |
| 17:40.48 | Tem | it made sense in my head |
| 17:40.58 | Tem | screw you guys. I'm going to eat |
| 17:41.01 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 17:41.07 | Kirkburn | These things normally do to the clinically insane |
| 17:41.08 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 17:41.09 | krka | what a wonderful world there must be inside your head |
| 17:41.20 | Tem | krka, if only you could see |
| 17:41.21 | MoonWolf | i want tem's head. |
| 17:41.27 | Kirkburn | In a jar? |
| 17:41.27 | Tem | it's quite nice in here |
| 17:41.33 | Tem | the voices finaly shut up |
| 17:41.38 | Kirkburn | Lovely and soft walls? |
| 17:41.48 | Tem | not really? |
| 17:42.02 | Tem | I think maybe my arms are just losing sensation |
| 17:42.39 | Kirkburn | How are you gonna do that in a straight-jacket? |
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| 17:45.42 | Wobin | woo Iriel! |
| 17:46.54 | Mikk1 | ARGH! I'm caught in a check-irc, check-mail, check-watched-pages, go-out-and-grab-a-smoke loop! |
| 17:47.16 | Wobin | You're doomed |
| 17:47.18 | Wobin | DOOMED |
| 17:47.28 | End | doom |
| 17:47.39 | Tain | Doomy doom doom doomy doom doom |
| 17:48.10 | MoonWolf | switch to tea |
| 17:48.14 | Wobin | Priorities! |
| 17:50.38 | zenzelezz | I can't say I appreciate it when my server suddenly tosses me off and shows up as "Offline" |
| 17:50.47 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 17:51.34 | zenzelezz | and then Firefox crashes... swell |
| 17:54.58 | Tem | returns* |
| 17:57.46 | zenzelezz | "Retrieving character list"... I guess this is slow because everyone's logging back in when the server went down... but with only one character I'd expect to have received the "list" by now :-| |
| 18:03.58 | Kirkburn | Anyone notice anything odd about the Atlas HQ website? http://atlashq.awardspace.com/ |
| 18:04.19 | Kirkburn | Cos I sure do... |
| 18:04.43 | zenzelezz | guess it depends what you mean odd |
| 18:04.58 | Kirkburn | Well, I'm not getting Atlas HQ, if that helps :) |
| 18:06.06 | zenzelezz | me neither |
| 18:06.06 | Gryphen | guess need to know what atlas hq is first heh |
| 18:06.06 | zenzelezz | I'm making a wild guess that it's related to the Atlas mod |
| 18:06.06 | Kirkburn | High-quality dungeon maps for Atlas |
| 18:06.06 | zenzelezz | or supposed to be |
| 18:06.06 | Kirkburn | Instead ... it's something quite different :P |
| 18:06.27 | zenzelezz | someone go kick the EU-Silvermoon server |
| 18:06.37 | Kirkburn | Now, I have nothing against Christina Aguilera - but I'm not sure it's relevant to WoW |
| 18:06.54 | Gryphen | http://www.atlasmod.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=42 |
| 18:06.57 | Gryphen | ? |
| 18:07.42 | Kirkburn | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2444 |
| 18:08.04 | Kirkburn | (not the same thing, afaik) |
| 18:09.09 | Kirkburn | Niflheim makes new hq maps for Atlas, then Dan redoes them and makes two quality versions |
| 18:09.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kaiden (n=kaiden@63.251.174.3) |
| 18:09.42 | Kirkburn | Ciao kaiden |
| 18:10.14 | kaiden | i see you added the font scaling to clearfont :) |
| 18:10.22 | Kirkburn | Heh, you beat me :P |
| 18:10.42 | kaiden | i'm fighting with the api trying to figure out how to get the current REAL ui width |
| 18:10.47 | Kirkburn | it suddenly struck me yesterday that it would be incredibly easy to add, even without the options screem |
| 18:11.01 | Kirkburn | or, screen |
| 18:11.05 | kaiden | trying to make a frame that set's it's width to the current available ui width but i'm still learning so i dont know all the tricks just yet |
| 18:11.22 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I thought you might like it :P |
| 18:11.27 | Kirov | kaiden - find out what the UIParent's scale is |
| 18:11.46 | Kirov | find it's width / height |
| 18:11.51 | Kirov | done |
| 18:12.45 | Kirov | Should work for even 16:9, 16:10, 5:4 aspect ratios |
| 18:13.12 | Iriel | kaiden : Define 'real' ? |
| 18:14.20 | Iriel | There's GetScreenHeight() and GetScreenWidth() |
| 18:14.21 | kaiden | real, as in if i do UIParent:GetWidth and set a frame's width to that there's still a giant chunk off to the right |
| 18:14.25 | kaiden | :) |
| 18:14.48 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 18:14.49 | kaiden | i'm more or less trying to make a frame that hooks to the bottom of the screen and auto resizes to it so that it is the same in all resolutions or ui scales |
| 18:15.20 | Maldivia | SetPoint("BOTTOM"...) ?:) |
| 18:15.26 | Iriel | You can do yourFrame:SetAllPoints(nil) |
| 18:15.44 | Iriel | Then it'll be anchored against the SCREEN |
| 18:16.11 | Kirov | kaiden - you want it to ignore uiscale? |
| 18:16.24 | kaiden | i want it to take into account the ui scale and resize it's width based on that |
| 18:16.35 | kaiden | so there is absolutely no empty space that the frame is not in |
| 18:16.39 | Kirov | check out what titan / fubar do? |
| 18:16.48 | Iriel | Stop stop, you're mixing concepts here |
| 18:18.01 | Tain | Are you really sure that you want to do that though? I mean I'd be really, really annoyed if I had a frame that decided it knew what size it should be on my screen and ignored me. |
| 18:18.22 | kaiden | Tain, it's for a Discord ui i'm making |
| 18:18.38 | kaiden | for my guildies that are all making me redo mine for different resolutions everytime i turn around |
| 18:18.39 | Iriel | Easiest way would be to anchor BOTTOMLEFT and BOTTOMRIGHT to UIParent, and then SetHeight as appropriate |
| 18:18.58 | Iriel | That way you dont piss off folks who move their UI away from their worldframe |
| 18:19.18 | Kirov | kaiden - You want something that works like Titan Panel, correct? |
| 18:19.21 | kaiden | yes |
| 18:19.40 | Kirov | then listen to the goodness that iriel has to offer |
| 18:20.20 | kaiden | in dart that is not possible, as i said i'm designing this as a discord ui |
| 18:20.40 | Kirov | Why wouldn't it be possible? |
| 18:20.41 | kaiden | i can anchor bottom left / bottom right, but that doesn't do anything for the actual width of the texture |
| 18:20.58 | Kirov | Don't use dart's anchoring system. |
| 18:21.05 | Kirov | Write an onload script that does it |
| 18:21.54 | Kirov | this:ClearAllPoints() |
| 18:21.55 | Kirov | this:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT") |
| 18:21.55 | Kirov | this:SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT", UIParent, "BOTTOMRIGHT") |
| 18:21.56 | Kirov | should work |
| 18:22.28 | kaiden | yup already did that got it working |
| 18:22.30 | kaiden | ;) |
| 18:22.34 | kaiden | thanks iriel/kirov |
| 18:22.54 | kaiden | didn't think about setting it's anchor within the onload that i was using to set it's sizes |
| 18:25.35 | kaiden | bleh, well that works for the width, but the height it wont allow me to change now with that anchor, and when i try to it sets it back to the default width set in the textures Width box |
| 18:26.15 | Iriel | Well, call SetHeight within the OnLoad too? |
| 18:26.30 | kaiden | i tried that, but it's the SetAllPoints(nil); that's doing it |
| 18:26.44 | kaiden | it makes the texture take up the entire uiparent and the setpoint after that does nothing |
| 18:26.49 | kaiden | nor does the setheight |
| 18:26.50 | Iriel | Dont do SetAllPoints(nil) if you're doing the other bits we talked about. |
| 18:27.04 | Iriel | I suggested that before I knew you only cared about WIDTH |
| 18:27.24 | kaiden | ok, sorry about this, still learning it all :) |
| 18:27.31 | Kirov | this:ClearAllPoints() |
| 18:27.31 | Kirov | this:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT") |
| 18:27.31 | Kirov | this:SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT", UIParent, "BOTTOMRIGHT") |
| 18:27.31 | Kirov | this:SetHeight(100) |
| 18:27.37 | Kirov | that should be all that's in OnLoad |
| 18:27.54 | Iriel | SetAllPoints sets all 8 points, and point anchors override explit width/height |
| 18:29.11 | Iriel | Think of frames as stretchy squares, and SetPoints as nailing a corner/edge to another place |
| 18:29.14 | Kirkburn | Naughty Apple: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32644 |
| 18:29.15 | Kirov | Oh, and on an unrelated note, ClampedToScreen is my new favorite frame attribute |
| 18:30.21 | Iriel | Kirkburn : That's 80 hours a month over what baseline tho? |
| 18:30.54 | Iriel | Typical useless journalism |
| 18:31.06 | Kirkburn | "Chinese workers can be forced to work up to 36 hours extra a month without Inspector Knacker of the Peking Yard raising an eyebrow, but Foxconn's 80 hours is well over this maximum" |
| 18:31.19 | Kirkburn | it's the inquirer, what do you expect :P |
| 18:31.44 | Kirkburn | (and, yes, I know it's not directly Apple) |
| 18:31.45 | Iriel | But again, that's "extra hours each month", if the normal hours are say, 40/week, then that's not much different than here in the US. |
| 18:31.57 | Iriel | If on the other hand, normal hours are 60/week, then it's quite painful |
| 18:31.58 | Kirkburn | This is China - what do you think? |
| 18:32.02 | Fanook | i think someone calculated it at 3 hrs a day |
| 18:33.45 | kaiden | Thank ya'll very much for helping me figure that out |
| 18:34.04 | kaiden | well.. figuring it out for me |
| 18:34.07 | kaiden | :P |
| 18:35.42 | Wobin | Anyone know how to convert images to a 32bit uncompressed tga? |
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| 18:38.00 | Fanook | wobin: depends on what format it's currently in |
| 18:38.33 | Wobin | tga? =) |
| 18:38.42 | Wobin | What format would be best? |
| 18:39.16 | Kirov | you're converting tga to tga? |
| 18:39.30 | Wobin | I'm trying to get any format to 32 uncompressed tga |
| 18:39.48 | Kirov | do you have photoshop? |
| 18:39.55 | Wobin | no =( |
| 18:40.00 | Fanook | photoshop (or equivalent) can do anything but .blp |
| 18:40.12 | Kirov | look for paint.net |
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| 18:42.10 | zenzelezz | this warrior chat is getting disturbing |
| 18:42.51 | zenzelezz | [T...]: I love Armor penetration :p [L...]: i love all penetration [G...]: i love not beeing penetrated... [L...]: and i thought you were dutch... |
| 18:43.35 | Kirov | dutch? |
| 18:43.45 | zenzelezz | as in the nationality |
| 18:44.33 | Shadowed | class channels are always fun |
| 18:44.35 | Kirov | yes, but what does that have to do with enjoing being penetrated or not ... and is it something I should ask |
| 18:44.50 | zenzelezz | I don't know... and I'd rather not ask |
| 18:45.33 | Kirov | Anyone know if there's a place that lists frenzy times for mobs? |
| 18:46.06 | Shadowed | Kirov: Class channels are never about the class, usually it's making fun of somebody else for screwing up, or complaining about your healer |
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| 18:46.30 | zenzelezz | so it seems |
| 18:46.37 | Kirov | Shadowed - hunter channel is usually about "who am I pulling?" |
| 18:46.42 | kaiden | Iriel / Kirov, how bad on the system do you think putting that resizing code into an OnUpdate would be? |
| 18:46.57 | Kirov | iee! |
| 18:47.01 | Kirov | bad |
| 18:47.15 | Shadowed | Rogue channel was usually making fun of our guild leader |
| 18:47.31 | krka | don't listen to the people here, they're all sillily afraid of OnUpdate |
| 18:47.54 | Kirov | Probably not noticable hit on performance, but I can't think of a good reason you'd want to do it OnUpdate |
| 18:48.00 | Kirkburn | In English, 'Dutch' is sometimes used as an insult |
| 18:48.17 | Kirkburn | Due to ye olde trade wars |
| 18:48.22 | kaiden | Kirov, so that whenever other things resized the bars it would go back to the way i want them |
| 18:48.30 | krka | funny, in swedish "amerikan" is always used as an insult :P |
| 18:48.45 | Kirkburn | (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Dutch_Wars) |
| 18:48.54 | MoonWolf | if it wasnt for us dutch, you people would not even have african americans! |
| 18:48.57 | Kirov | krka - lol |
| 18:49.08 | krka | english is only an insult whenever there's a sweden - england football game |
| 18:49.37 | kaiden | MoonWolf, that's terrible :P |
| 18:49.40 | Iriel | kaiden : You could check out <OnSizeChanged>, though you'd want to be careful about inducing infinite loops |
| 18:50.10 | Kirov | Iriel - would that create an infinte loop, or just an OnUpdate equivalent? |
| 18:50.17 | Iriel | kaiden : Though you CAN query the frame's points these days, so you could make it smart |
| 18:50.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 18:50.29 | Iriel | Kirov : I haven't tested it, we have examples of both in the current API's |
| 18:50.44 | Iriel | (By 'both' I mean things that fire immediately, and things that fire 'later') |
| 18:51.16 | MoonWolf | the British having failed to replace the Dutch as the world's dominant trade nation. <- PWND |
| 18:51.42 | Kirov | Ikea ftw? |
| 18:52.11 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:53.12 | Wobin | Y'know, when Ingvar kicks the bucket, I bet you his coffin will be six foot long and three inches thick. |
| 19:05.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
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| 19:11.55 | Josh|Class | hello |
| 19:12.07 | zenzelezz | greetings |
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| 19:20.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 19:20.23 | Tem_ | Damn you Cox! |
| 19:27.00 | Tem | but still unable to get *anywhere* on the inter net |
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| 19:30.43 | gnorlish | same |
| 19:31.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 19:33.46 | Tem_ | ah there it goes |
| 19:40.35 | kaiden | Iriel, so a good way to do it would be a,b,c,d,e = this:GetPoint(); if (b ~= "BOTTOMLEFT") and (c ~= "BOTTOMLEFT") then run the on update? |
| 19:41.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (i=tardmrr@mrich25-1.lsu.edu) |
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| 19:42.24 | Tem_ | this crap is really wearing on my nerves |
| 19:44.19 | Thrae | Interesting, if I use FontString:SetTextColor() on a string that already has color codes, it will only affect those strings without color codes. |
| 19:44.42 | Tem_ | duh? |
| 19:45.19 | Thrae | Well, I would have thought it would strip 'em, since it's SetTextColor not SetSubstringColor |
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| 19:45.48 | Iriel | Thrae : Well, if therea re parts of the string without colors they're affected |
| 19:46.16 | Thrae | Right, but it doesn't strip out color codes. Oh well, that isn't too hard. |
| 19:46.29 | Iriel | Why would it, SetTextColor doesn't change the actual TEXT |
| 19:46.37 | Iriel | You'd need to play with GetText and SetText for that |
| 19:47.05 | Thrae | Oh? Does SetText allow a RGB value which overrides any color codes>? |
| 19:47.21 | Tem | no |
| 19:47.25 | Thrae | I'm about to use gsub to remove color codes from a string, so that'd be helpful. |
| 19:47.27 | Tem | you can't override them |
| 19:47.31 | Tem | you have to use a gsub |
| 19:49.11 | Tem | anyone in this channel have any idea why I would be able to connect to irc, but unable to even ping google (or any other site not on the local network) |
| 19:49.14 | Tem | ? |
| 19:49.34 | Iriel | Overzealous firewall? |
| 19:49.49 | Tem | but... |
| 19:49.58 | Tem | I'm supposed to be able to get out |
| 19:50.07 | Thrae | Tem: Something could be blocking ICMP, try pinging the IRC server. |
| 19:50.45 | Thrae | I know some ISPs nowadays who service at least 1 residential customer like to block ICMP packets. |
| 19:50.52 | Tem | ok |
| 19:50.54 | Tem | couple of things |
| 19:51.08 | Tem | This is not a residenstial customer |
| 19:51.31 | Tem | Ping isn't the only thing effected. I can't view webpages |
| 19:51.35 | Tem | at all |
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| 19:51.40 | End | clearly, instead of working you are only meant to be on irc |
| 19:51.50 | a-stray-cat | ^ |
| 19:51.54 | Tem | but... |
| 19:52.02 | End | no buts! |
| 19:52.02 | Tem | people on irc always link nifty things |
| 19:52.07 | End | oh |
| 19:52.08 | End | well |
| 19:52.08 | Tem | and I can't follow any of them |
| 19:52.10 | Iriel | Have you checked tracer(ou)?te? to check for routing misfortune? |
| 19:52.11 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.11 | End | that is a problem |
| 19:52.20 | Thrae | Tem: Have you disconnected and reconnected from this IRC server since it happened? |
| 19:52.25 | Tem | lots of times |
| 19:52.33 | Thrae | OK, that's very odd. |
| 19:52.39 | Tem | look at my joins/parts over the last couple of hours |
| 19:52.44 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 19:53.02 | Tem | Iriel, looks like the DNS can't even resolve google to anything |
| 19:53.07 | a-stray-cat | try pinging 64.233.187.99 |
| 19:53.07 | Tem | so I can't tracert |
| 19:53.08 | Thrae | That definately means you're getting through the router's firewall even in its crippled state. |
| 19:53.10 | End | I think Tem's connection is made out of duct tape. |
| 19:53.19 | End | and string |
| 19:53.21 | End | and bits of lint |
| 19:53.33 | End | and a burrito |
| 19:53.48 | kaiden | Tem, try pinging the ip a-stray-cat gave, if it pings fine then it's your dns server causing it |
| 19:53.48 | Thrae | Ahhh, perhaps your IRC client is caching IPs, DNS resolve problem then |
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| 19:54.09 | kaiden | do a arp flush from your command prompt |
| 19:54.17 | End | or Tem's dns server is caching dns, but it can't get anything upstream |
| 19:54.29 | Tem | something is very weird |
| 19:54.37 | kaiden | Tem, also if you can't do any of that set your dns server to 18.72.0.3 |
| 19:54.44 | Tem | lol the tracert on that ip dies as soon as it would leave the local network |
| 19:54.45 | kaiden | that's bitsy.mit.edu .. an extremely stable dns server :) |
| 19:54.51 | a-stray-cat | could you ping that ip? |
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| 19:54.56 | Tem | no |
| 19:54.59 | a-stray-cat | interesting. |
| 19:55.01 | Tem | anyway, I've got work to do again |
| 19:55.02 | End | hmmmmm |
| 19:55.15 | Tem|Work | hopefully it will be all better when I get back |
| 19:55.27 | End | definitely duct tape, string, bits of lint and a burrito |
| 19:55.48 | a-stray-cat | the burito is the key. |
| 19:56.21 | End | yes...is it a bean burrito? or steak or chicken? it makes a difference! |
| 19:57.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Codexius (n=subway@bas7-toronto63-1128740764.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 19:57.43 | Codexius | ~seen guillotine |
| 19:58.02 | purl | guillotine <n=chatzill@ns.motek-services.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2d 14h 43m 33s ago, saying: 'http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/news-178-1-title-cabal-online-the-revolution-of-action.html -- anyone else think this interface looks a bit too much like the WoW interface?'. |
| 19:58.02 | End | ~seen Codexius |
| 19:58.05 | purl | codexius is currently on #wowi-lounge (29s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 22s, last said: '~seen guillotine'. |
| 19:58.05 | End | doh! |
| 19:58.05 | End | ~seen Purl |
| 19:58.07 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (1d 15h 36m 40s) #botpark (1d 15h 36m 40s) #linuxfund (1d 15h 36m 40s) #wowi-lounge (1d 15h 36m 40s) # (1d 15h 36m 40s) #edev (1d 15h 36m 40s) #fossfund (1d 15h 36m 40s) #hosernet (1d 15h 36m 40s) #classiccmp (1d 15h 36m 40s) #creativeforum (1d 15h 36m ... |
| 19:58.07 | End | doh~ |
| 19:58.17 | End | ahhh ...spam..... |
| 19:59.22 | a-stray-cat | spammers. |
| 20:00.03 | Codexius | ~seen a-stray-cat |
| 20:00.05 | purl | a-stray-cat is currently on #wowi-lounge (8h 27m 20s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 43s, last said: 'spammers.'. |
| 20:00.22 | Beladona | Cabal has a pretty common ui that may or may not be a ripoff of other games. But I must say their gameplay is very very fun |
| 20:00.31 | Beladona | I can't stop playing it |
| 20:00.46 | Beladona | it even has a few small ui based things that could be improved in wow |
| 20:03.23 | a-stray-cat | it looks like it has flashier spell effects. |
| 20:03.28 | a-stray-cat | i find wow's kinda lacking :/ |
| 20:03.32 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 20:03.33 | purl | Words. Nothing but sweet, sweet words that turn into bitter orange wax in my ears. |
| 20:03.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it looks more anime style |
| 20:05.35 | Thrae | Oops, sack overflow |
| 20:05.42 | Thrae | s/sack/stack/. |
| 20:06.09 | a-stray-cat | sack overflow eh. |
| 20:06.22 | Thrae | It appears it's very easy to put WoW into an endless loop, no stack overflow even... |
| 20:07.24 | a-stray-cat | i've done that ;o |
| 20:07.30 | a-stray-cat | cad it ;O |
| 20:07.42 | Kirkburn | zomg, too many sacks! |
| 20:07.55 | End | no |
| 20:07.57 | End | not enough sack |
| 20:08.04 | End | too much in the sack |
| 20:08.08 | Fanook | as i was going to st. ives.... |
| 20:08.12 | End | thus, sack overflow |
| 20:08.32 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see, everyone could jump in the sack this way |
| 20:08.44 | End | well, not everyone, we need more sack |
| 20:09.01 | End | we demand more sack! |
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| 20:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | sack overflow conjures some....scary mental images. |
| 20:17.49 | End | your images, not mine! |
| 20:20.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-64-161-16-97.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 20:25.02 | Kirkburn | Gotta love when people insult you when they can't argue a point: http://www.pvprp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4659 |
| 20:29.31 | Beladona | Question: is CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HONOR_GAIN the only event that gets fired when you gain honor? |
| 20:35.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i love people that play wow but hate blizzard and do nothing but complain about it |
| 20:36.44 | Kirov | zomg, I hate people who complain all the time |
| 20:36.52 | Kirov | they're such complainers |
| 20:37.12 | Kirov | I wish they'd just go away and stop complaining all the time, those complainer types! |
| 20:39.10 | Kirkburn | Bloody complainers |
| 20:40.09 | Kirkburn | At least I now know I'm a fanboi, useful to know =) |
| 20:40.32 | Beladona | its the old "complain because it isn't perfect, but there is nothing better" complex |
| 20:41.18 | qw` | Anyone know why metamap got two sets of coordinates? I think some other mod is adding it ontop of the metamap ones |
| 20:41.28 | *** part/#wowi-lounge MoonWolf (i=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 20:41.30 | Kirkburn | Indeed ...I think it's something to do with the human condition, but the mroe players WoW has, the more resources people assume Blizz have |
| 20:41.44 | Kirkburn | Identical co-ords? |
| 20:41.50 | qw` | yeah |
| 20:42.04 | Kirkburn | Got cosmos? |
| 20:42.11 | qw` | nope |
| 20:42.23 | Kirkburn | hrm, well that's me stuck |
| 20:42.34 | Gryphen | titan? |
| 20:42.38 | qw` | yeah, I got titan |
| 20:43.13 | Kirkburn | Could be one of the titan zone-related addons? |
| 20:43.22 | qw` | I found it I think, Titan Coords |
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| 20:43.34 | qw` | yeah that was it |
| 20:44.34 | qw` | thanks |
| 20:45.46 | dreamss | actually i been really attracted to cabal |
| 20:46.36 | Tem | wow... |
| 20:46.40 | Tem | still no net |
| 20:47.11 | Tem | I'm just baffled |
| 20:53.19 | Fanook | hey End, got a question on YAtlas |
| 20:54.17 | Tem | ok, so where were we |
| 20:54.24 | Tem | oh yes, I was trying to ping 64.233.187.99 |
| 20:54.27 | Tem | well, it fails |
| 20:57.36 | Tem | anyone in this channel have any idea why I would be able to connect to irc, but unable to get to sites that are not on the local network |
| 20:58.37 | Tem | ? |
| 21:00.34 | JoshBorke | some router along the way is getting hammered? |
| 21:00.35 | Tem | I received a CTCP VERSION from kaiden |
| 21:00.53 | kaiden | yes you did, was seeing if you were using a non mirc client that could be caching your irc server ip |
| 21:01.09 | kaiden | can you get to websites via ip? at all? |
| 21:01.28 | Tem | not that I know of |
| 21:01.34 | Tem | got an IP I can try? |
| 21:01.56 | kaiden | yes, one second |
| 21:01.58 | JoshBorke | 64.233.179.99 |
| 21:02.10 | JoshBorke | 65.98.55.102 |
| 21:02.53 | JoshBorke | 12.129.217.201 |
| 21:03.47 | End | try connecting via https as well |
| 21:03.47 | Tem | nope |
| 21:03.55 | End | (I know the last one works with https) |
| 21:04.20 | End | well |
| 21:04.21 | End | sorta works :P |
| 21:04.28 | Tem | nope |
| 21:04.43 | End | well, then it's probably not per-port |
| 21:04.43 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 21:05.06 | End | (well, maybe it is, but...uhh..well...) |
| 21:05.26 | Tem | well, we know it's our hosting company's fault |
| 21:05.42 | Tem | I just don't understand why irc would work while the rest of "the internet" doesn't |
| 21:06.17 | End | yeah, that doesn't make much sense |
| 21:10.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | try the old turn off/turn on your modem |
| 21:10.44 | Tem | I don't have a clue where it is |
| 21:13.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (i=tardmrr@mrich25-1.lsu.edu) |
| 21:13.33 | Tem | oh well |
| 21:13.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | that happened to me once |
| 21:13.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had no idea why |
| 21:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but resetting my modem fixed it |
| 21:16.58 | Thrae | What happens when you do _,foo = FunctionWithTwoReturns() ? Where does the 1st return go? |
| 21:17.23 | Thrae | Is it sent and then immediatly thrown into GC, or is it just never assigned? |
| 21:17.34 | zenzelezz | passes through the infinite improbability drive |
| 21:17.45 | JoshBorke | it's put into _ |
| 21:18.00 | Tem | oh man zenzelezz |
| 21:18.21 | JoshBorke | ( Thrae ): it's just set as _ available to whatever scope _ is defined on |
| 21:18.53 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Ahhh, that makes sense |
| 21:18.57 | JoshBorke | it's just some convention they decided on. you could call it anything you'd like =D |
| 21:20.27 | End | zenzelezz: that doesn't seem very likely |
| 21:20.30 | Thrae | _,foo = foo2() while foo do _,foo = foo2() end <-- this has _ of two different scopes? |
| 21:20.32 | End | or shall I say.....probable? |
| 21:20.47 | JoshBorke | ( Thrae ): i'd say so, yes |
| 21:21.12 | End | wouldn't they be the same scope (meaning global)? |
| 21:21.25 | JoshBorke | i thought for variables are defined locally by default |
| 21:21.26 | krka | yes, both _ are the same and global |
| 21:21.32 | End | no, default global |
| 21:21.34 | Tem | hurray! |
| 21:21.39 | JoshBorke | hm, well that's dumb |
| 21:21.39 | Tem | my internet came back |
| 21:21.44 | End | yay! |
| 21:21.54 | End | go forth and surf thy web! |
| 21:21.58 | Thrae | Ahhh, so _ is global, that makes a LOT more sense |
| 21:21.59 | Fanook | ugh, i hate german localization |
| 21:22.10 | End | Thrae: you can and probably should make it global |
| 21:22.13 | End | ermmmm |
| 21:22.15 | End | local |
| 21:22.20 | Thrae | End: Why? |
| 21:22.21 | End | you can and probably should make it local |
| 21:22.32 | krka | _ is global in that case yes but it's just a variable name like every other |
| 21:22.57 | End | I think the reasoning is because local can be just stuck in a register and thrown away when leaving scope |
| 21:23.10 | End | where as global actually gets preserved to memory |
| 21:23.41 | Thrae | Well, Blizzard uses _ too, so it's already in use. |
| 21:24.04 | End | I suppose that's true... |
| 21:24.13 | End | it doesn't make it good though ;p |
| 21:24.35 | Thrae | I thought it was a common Lua convention to use _ for throw-away. |
| 21:25.07 | End | it is |
| 21:25.10 | JoshBorke | isn't that really dumb to make for variables global? |
| 21:25.16 | krka | convention blatantly stolen from haskell :P |
| 21:25.19 | End | I was suggesting making _ a local variable |
| 21:25.26 | krka | for variables are never global |
| 21:25.33 | JoshBorke | wait, i'm confused |
| 21:25.54 | JoshBorke | oh, ok, so if you define a variable before the for loop, then it uses that reference rather than a locally defined one? |
| 21:26.17 | krka | the nearest variable will always be chosen |
| 21:26.23 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:26.24 | End | er...what are you asking exactly? |
| 21:26.50 | JoshBorke | '_,foo = foo2() while foo do _,foo = foo2() end <-- this has _ of two different scopes?' |
| 21:26.51 | Thrae | Wouldn't it be better to just have _ defined globally in a situation like WoW with multiple, independant Lua code. Then you don't need to have _ in memory for each and every Lua module. |
| 21:27.12 | krka | JoshBorke no in that case, both are global |
| 21:27.13 | End | no, _ have the same scope in both places |
| 21:27.14 | Thrae | JoshBorke: I asked that question to you, and you said yes, and krka said no |
| 21:27.17 | krka | and refer to same variable |
| 21:27.18 | End | (global) |
| 21:27.31 | End | so you just write over your _ each time |
| 21:27.45 | JoshBorke | ( Thrae ): that's why i'm getting clarification, because i'm still n00btastic =D |
| 21:29.07 | Thrae | Although, I wonder if _ is ever GC'd if it's global. Since it's a convention, maybe there's an option when compiling Lua. |
| 21:29.37 | Thrae | With WoW I doubt it matters, I bet _ is used within FrameXML about every second. |
| 21:29.46 | krka | _variables_ don't get GCed, _objects_ get GC'd |
| 21:29.49 | krka | there's a difference |
| 21:30.12 | krka | and convention just means common practice, not a language feature |
| 21:30.22 | krka | _ is not treated special by Lua |
| 21:30.48 | Thrae | If nothing references _ except to assign a value, could it get GC'd? |
| 21:31.46 | End | _ is only an entry in the global table (unless it is a local variable) |
| 21:32.25 | Thrae | Yes, and I thought that Lua tries to GC objects which are never referenced. |
| 21:32.47 | End | think of objects like pointers |
| 21:33.00 | End | not all variables are objects |
| 21:33.37 | End | only if _ points to a table, and gets nil'd out (resulting in a refcount of 0), can _ be GC'd |
| 21:34.09 | Thrae | So GC only applies to higher-level Lua objects? |
| 21:34.13 | End | if you do _ = {} x = _ _ = nil, no GC would occur, because there is still a reference to the table |
| 21:34.40 | End | well...I guess you could put it that way... |
| 21:35.02 | End | I wouldn't say higher-level, since number and whatnot aren't considered to be objects really |
| 21:35.25 | Thrae | Well, a number should just be a double. |
| 21:35.44 | End | functions and tables are examples of objects. strings are technically objects (but there are -very- special rules about strings...) |
| 21:36.04 | End | (and strings act more like pass by value) |
| 21:36.20 | End | and all numbers are just doubles afaik |
| 21:36.32 | Thrae | Right, I did read that from the Lua manual :D |
| 21:37.02 | Thrae | So the reason non-Lua objects are GC'd is because the local table of that scope is set up for GC, it being a Lua object? |
| 21:37.39 | End | non-Lua objects? |
| 21:37.49 | krka | w00t ukraine FTW |
| 21:38.02 | Thrae | Numbers, literal characters |
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| 21:38.55 | End | I'm really confused on what your question is asking... |
| 21:39.08 | End | numbers don't get GC'd at all |
| 21:39.41 | Thrae | Well I know when you define a local, you're inserting a value into an integer index. You can access it with debug.getlocal(index). |
| 21:40.05 | Thrae | s/integer index/integer index table/. |
| 21:40.25 | Thrae | The numbers and such all take up memory, and they can't just stay there forever. |
| 21:40.43 | End | that's probably more of a stack level thing |
| 21:42.09 | Thrae | Ahhh, OK, so it treats them a little different then garbage collection. |
| 21:42.21 | End | yes I would say so |
| 21:42.22 | kergoth | remember that there are two pieces to a function. |
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| 21:47.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=George@151.56.219.207) |
| 21:49.52 | Kirkburn1 | Mmm, shutdowns, love 'em |
| 21:50.48 | Kirkburn1 | One day I'll be able to play Ep1 without it crashing |
| 21:50.58 | Kirkburn1 | (or perhaps even any other game for an extended period of time) |
| 21:51.18 | zenzelezz | pfft, that's easy mode |
| 21:51.38 | Kirkburn1 | ? |
| 21:51.56 | Fanook | is anyone else having trouble with worldofwar.net today? |
| 21:51.57 | zenzelezz | reboots and crashes are half the challenge in games these days |
| 21:52.04 | Kirkburn1 | heh |
| 21:52.22 | Kirkburn1 | Works fine for me AnduinLothar |
| 21:52.24 | Kirkburn1 | eh? |
| 21:52.32 | Kirkburn1 | I meant Fanook :P |
| 21:52.39 | Industrial | say... |
| 21:52.42 | End | I can't reach it |
| 21:52.43 | Industrial | i like this wowi lite version |
| 21:52.44 | Kirkburn1 | ... |
| 21:52.47 | Industrial | can we keep it? |
| 21:52.51 | Industrial | puh-leeeeeeeze? |
| 21:52.52 | JoshBorke | yes Industrial |
| 21:52.53 | Kirkburn1 | Yes |
| 21:52.56 | JoshBorke | it's an option in your profile |
| 21:52.57 | End | Industrial: you can set it to always |
| 21:53.01 | Industrial | oh cool |
| 21:53.07 | Kirkburn1 | Been like that for a while ;) |
| 21:53.13 | End | and I like it too |
| 21:53.53 | Kirkburn1 | zenzelezz, my laptop needs a country where it's not 30 degrees in the middle of the night |
| 21:54.06 | AnduinLothar | meh? |
| 21:54.15 | Industrial | where do i set it? |
| 21:54.17 | AnduinLothar | stop that |
| 21:54.17 | Industrial | cant find it |
| 21:54.19 | Industrial | .. |
| 21:54.28 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: are you offering me your laptop? ;-p |
| 21:54.34 | Kirkburn1 | heh |
| 21:54.58 | Kirkburn1 | Sorry Anduin, I was sure I pressed 'F' not 'A' :/ |
| 21:55.04 | End | Industrial, I can't find it either :O |
| 21:55.10 | End | I know there is a setting somewhere though |
| 21:55.11 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:55.24 | Kirkburn1 | nub |
| 21:56.11 | Kirkburn1 | (he has a point) |
| 21:57.16 | End | I wonder if you just can't get into it when in enforced lite mode |
| 21:58.32 | Kirkburn1 | Might be |
| 22:01.07 | Kirkburn1 | Fanook, I'm getting problems now :P |
| 22:01.34 | Kirkburn1 | (membersui site works though, but it's out of date) |
| 22:02.00 | End | ... "We are currently moving the members only site to a new server. The move should be complete shortly." |
| 22:02.05 | End | I guess that's out of date. :P |
| 22:29.27 | Kirkburn1 | (works now) |
| 22:34.41 | End | (I noticed) |
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| 23:07.52 | Kirkburn1 | Amazing ... my Bristol Uni contact says he'll tell me about a faculty decision last thursday. As of friday afternoon I get nothing, send an email to remind him. He says he'll tell me on monday. He hasn't. Useless :/ |
| 23:08.42 | zenzelezz | sounds like every raid guild I've applied to so far. Get into trial and don't hear much for a week or two |
| 23:09.06 | Kirkburn1 | :P |
| 23:09.15 | Kirkburn1 | It's the only thing that's keeping my in Bristol |
| 23:11.30 | Kirkburn1 | Heh, it's not often you get a good reason to send a slightly angry email to a lecturer |
| 23:11.44 | Kirkburn1 | (I meant keeping my in Italy, obviously) |
| 23:11.51 | Kirkburn1 | s/my/me/ |
| 23:11.57 | Kirkburn1 | <-- doing well tonight |
| 23:12.50 | zenzelezz | been waiting for a real word from this guild for close to two weeks... I have a sneaky suspicion the main reason they let me into trial is because I enjoy protection spec, and most of their other warriors don't... but that won't help me much unless they decide to equip me for the stuff they do; and so far I see nothing... running out of patience, just say "no" already >.< |
| 23:13.01 | Kirkburn1 | I need a website with good, free, e-cards for my sister's birthday |
| 23:14.00 | zenzelezz | my own fault for rolling a warrior :-p Easiest class to get a PUG with, but hardest to get a raid guild with... at least so it feels right now ;) |
| 23:14.08 | zenzelezz | though hunters seem to be having a hard time lately too |
| 23:14.11 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:14.35 | Kirkburn | I'm going to start a a female draenei warrior when BC comes out |
| 23:15.37 | zenzelezz | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/zenzio.html -- decent for some mid-level stuff, but won't do for AQ40/Naxxramas... and I only see that level guilds recruiting warrior spots right now \o/ |
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| 23:16.32 | Kirkburn | Wait, zenzio is the name of your char? I thought you were two people :P |
| 23:16.48 | zenzelezz | nope... zenzio is me at my mom's house |
| 23:16.54 | Kirkburn | aha |
| 23:16.57 | zenzelezz | I always forget to disconnect this computer when I go there |
| 23:17.15 | zenzelezz | but it is also the name of my char |
| 23:18.02 | zenzelezz | I knew I shouldn't have slept earlier... not even remotely tired now :-| |
| 23:18.19 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 23:23.03 | Kirkburn | slouken: The PlaySoundFile() fix is in 1.11.2, not 1.11.1, FYI. |
| 23:23.11 | End-afk | hmmmm |
| 23:23.16 | Kirkburn | 1.11.1 must be coming soon I suppose |
| 23:23.17 | End-afk | when is 1.11.1? tomorrow? |
| 23:23.19 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 23:23.59 | zenzelezz | is the PlaySoundFile() bug somehow difficult to solve then? I assumed it was a small one |
| 23:24.21 | Shadowed | Guess that'll be another week or two of people asking why playing sound when queue is ready is broken |
| 23:24.40 | Kirkburn | It's either hard, or he didn't know 1.11.1 had been locked down |
| 23:25.26 | Kirkburn | tbh, I would agree with End-afk, it does sound like it is 2moro |
| 23:26.23 | Shadowed | Are they fixing PlayMusic() too though? |
| 23:26.31 | Kirkburn | (just a /poke to Iriel to mention the news) |
| 23:26.43 | Kirkburn | Doesn't say |
| 23:31.55 | Iriel | My guess is they locked down 1.11.1 without space in the QA schedule. |
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| 23:33.56 | Shadowed | oh |
| 23:34.04 | Shadowed | they changed the Arathi Basin messages in 1.11, thats why my mod broke. |
| 23:36.18 | Thrae | I wonder if the developers ever get into arguments with the QA department -- "I don't need this tested, I fixed the logic error." QA: "But without stress testing, how can you be sure? You introduced one bug, maybe you introduced another." Devs: "I don't think changing one line in PlaySoundFile works will make WoW crash." QA: "You never know!" Devs: "WE tested it!" QA: "And what will you do when 3 million people are unable to play fo |
| 23:37.35 | kergoth | 'unable to play f' .. you hit the max message length limit, looks like :P |
| 23:37.55 | zenzelezz | Thrae: 12.6 |
| 23:41.16 | Iriel | My argument with QA is "you didn't notice it was broken, why do you expect to verify anything now it's fixed?" |
| 23:41.23 | Kirkburn | I'm worried that this is the state of education these days: http://www.pvprp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39797#39797 |
| 23:41.35 | Thrae | Haha, good point. |
| 23:43.11 | Thrae | I dunno if that's fair Kirkburn, they might be ESL. |
| 23:43.24 | Kirkburn | They said their english 'sux' |
| 23:43.35 | Kirkburn | Is it so hard to type 'sucks'? |
| 23:43.54 | Thrae | Yeah, I know a lot of non-native English speakers who learned from the Internet, which included Internet slang ;) |
| 23:43.57 | Kirkburn | Typing in txt speak isn't a result of a learning difficulty |
| 23:43.58 | Shadowed | Thats like asking why do people say "u" or "ur" instead of "you" and "you're" |
| 23:44.07 | Thrae | Many times they don't know its slang! |
| 23:44.27 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: I find it worse when someone says their English is "perfect imo" |
| 23:44.28 | Kirkburn | In that case, they should be educated by their schools better |
| 23:44.40 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 23:44.58 | Thrae | Bah, you're making me feel stupid Kirkburn, I don't know any languages other then English (and programming languages) |
| 23:45.10 | Tain | People say "u" or "ur" because they're out to cause my eyes pain for slaughtering the language. |
| 23:45.11 | Kirkburn | Those count ;) |
| 23:45.43 | dreamss | im just to lazy to use proper english |
| 23:45.55 | dreamss | and anyone that complains can go fuck themselfs |
| 23:45.56 | Kirkburn | As I have said previously: "when someone asks me for something and says 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I feel justified to say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes' |
| 23:45.59 | Tain | Your typing makes Mavis Beacon cry herself to sleep at night. :( |
| 23:46.08 | Thrae | I played a graphical MMORPG for three years where the players could (and would) ban people for saying stuff like "ur", "plz", "lol" |
| 23:46.22 | zenzelezz | well, there's a comment to lift my spirits a bit... did MC with a friend's guild the other day (myself being unguilded), and today someone apparently asked why I left the guild =D I must've made an impression |
| 23:46.39 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:46.47 | dreamss | u know, if u actually did the math for saving 2/3 of keystrokes |
| 23:46.55 | Tain | Anyway it's easier to simply write someone off as ignorant and below my notice than to complain to them. |
| 23:46.55 | dreamss | number might surprise you |
| 23:47.07 | Kirkburn | What 'math'? |
| 23:47.17 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Tell them the the guild leader, be them male or female, came on to you ;) |
| 23:47.19 | Ktron | My MUD back in the day had a policy about not using any punctuation... they'd give out warnings for them heh |
| 23:47.26 | dreamss | how bout u look at my hostname and you look at yours |
| 23:47.33 | dreamss | and then we see whos ignorant |
| 23:47.38 | Kirkburn | Wha? |
| 23:47.42 | Tain | Hey if I had my way people would capitalize and use punctuation as well. |
| 23:47.53 | Tain | I at least let that slide. |
| 23:47.55 | Kirkburn | You missed a comma :) |
| 23:48.10 | dreamss | lol |
| 23:48.18 | Thrae | Tain: It is grammatically incorrect to end a sentance with, "as well". ;) |
| 23:48.33 | Tain | It's so true! |
| 23:48.39 | kergoth | i like to keep Elements Of Style on hand |
| 23:48.40 | Ktron | I'm lazy enough that apostrophes count, commas a little, periods don't, and question marks count double, and exclaimation points in inappropriate places count against you |
| 23:48.41 | kergoth | excellent book |
| 23:48.45 | dreamss | i really care more about internet protocols than proper english |
| 23:48.47 | dreamss | so heh |
| 23:48.57 | dreamss | the language is boring to me |
| 23:48.59 | Ktron | and the the only thing you're obligated to capitalize is the word 'I' |
| 23:49.03 | Tain | Most RFCs are written in fairly proper English. |
| 23:49.15 | Thrae | Yes, I care far more about TCP/IP then the English language myself. |
| 23:49.24 | kergoth | Thrae: thast what i was about to say :) |
| 23:49.28 | dreamss | if i have to write an rfc i have someone else do it |
| 23:49.39 | Tain | And really what's the big deal about dropping a few bytes from a packet? |
| 23:49.41 | zenzelezz | sounds contradictory |
| 23:49.46 | Tain | It's the same thing. |
| 23:50.07 | Ktron | I could start using math symbols or their latex equivalents |
| 23:50.19 | Kirkburn | latex?!? |
| 23:50.24 | kergoth | Tain: indeed.. if you dont understand, you request a retransmit, just like tcp :) |
| 23:50.27 | Thrae | I would be looking forward to Internet v2.0, but I live in America, and we are losing the Internet soon =( |
| 23:50.28 | dreamss | my hands are tired as it is, adding 3x timestrokes cause someone has poor imagination is just retarded |
| 23:50.38 | kergoth | imagination has nothing to do with it. |
| 23:50.57 | Kirkburn | Indeed. |
| 23:50.59 | kergoth | there -are- valid points on your side of the argument, try makign those instead of spouting nonsense. |
| 23:51.07 | dreamss | heh |
| 23:51.08 | Tain | "ur dum" "Please retransmit." "ur dum!1" |
| 23:51.14 | Ktron | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.15 | kergoth | Tain: hahah |
| 23:51.17 | Ktron | er |
| 23:51.26 | Kirkburn | There are reasons why grammar and spelling exists :( |
| 23:51.31 | dreamss | i dont even care, english nazis piss me off |
| 23:51.43 | Kirkburn | That doesn't make sense :P |
| 23:51.44 | Thrae | Kirkburn: "exist" |
| 23:51.44 | Tain | No English for you, one year! |
| 23:51.55 | dreamss | i care more when someone calls irc "mirc" |
| 23:52.03 | dreamss | "whats the mirc server" |
| 23:52.04 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 23:52.22 | kergoth | ooh, idiotic misuse of terms! can we get into users mixing up 'memory' and 'hard disk' now? |
| 23:52.36 | Thrae | That's true, I deal with people everyday who call their computer "a CPU" |
| 23:52.37 | dreamss | hehe |
| 23:52.44 | zenzelezz | I also find it annoying when people say things like "the NIC card" |
| 23:52.48 | dreamss | and they use proper english |
| 23:52.56 | dreamss | so.. |
| 23:52.58 | kergoth | zenzelezz: its from the department of redundancy department, no doubt |
| 23:53.06 | Kirkburn | Or perhaps "PIN number" |
| 23:53.07 | Ktron | (\exists X|X \in Ends) \drarrow ( \drarrow ^{english} X ) |
| 23:53.15 | dreamss | lol |
| 23:53.26 | kergoth | i need to learn tex someday |
| 23:53.28 | zenzelezz | ATM machine |
| 23:53.31 | kergoth | i've avoided it thus far |
| 23:53.33 | Tain | Duh Kirkburn, you have to use your PIN number at the ATM machine. |
| 23:53.34 | Kirkburn | Everyone says PIN number, but no-one ever realises it's silly |
| 23:53.39 | Ktron | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.50 | Thrae | NIC and PIN are prime examples of acromnyms so commonly used but never explained, people think they're words. |
| 23:53.52 | Kirkburn | We don't have no ATMs in England =) |
| 23:54.13 | Kirkburn | Wes gots 'cash machines' |
| 23:54.13 | Tain | Does money grow on trees in England? |
| 23:54.21 | zenzelezz | neither do we, but try telling people to use a "minibank"... futile |
| 23:54.29 | Ktron | I use just PIN... Anyway, if you're a mathematician you realize how important the language is-- and how important it is to be consistent and to not shortchange information |
| 23:54.34 | Thrae | ATM is a trademark :D |
| 23:54.41 | Kirkburn | Definately true in maths, yeah |
| 23:54.44 | Tain | Those Buckingham Palace guards, they just hand out cash don't they? |
| 23:54.52 | Kirkburn | If only |
| 23:55.21 | kergoth | when i read ATM i think of asyncronous transfer mode. the network technology, not the cash machines |
| 23:55.22 | Kirkburn | I shoudl mention that those guards you're thinking of aren't at Buckingham Palace |
| 23:55.24 | Thrae | Buckingham Palace guards don't do ANYTHING, it's their job to stand there as motionless and expresionless as possible. |
| 23:55.26 | kergoth | which is rather sad, really |
| 23:55.43 | Kirkburn | No the ones you can meet, anyway |
| 23:55.48 | Thrae | s/expresionless/expressionless/ |
| 23:55.49 | Ktron | At this point, I feel like clarity is in a sense literacy immaturity |
| 23:55.59 | Ktron | s/immaturity/maturity |
| 23:56.00 | zenzelezz | hey, it's exhausting work to have your picture taken with tourists all day! |
| 23:56.08 | Tain | I can't stand guard positioning nazis! |
| 23:56.12 | Kirkburn | Ktron, nice mis-type :) |
| 23:56.24 | dreamss | Ktron, i think the whole language thing is stupid, it should be more universal |
| 23:56.30 | Thrae | Well, the Queen's job is also to stand around all day, doing nothing. But she can sit, too :D |
| 23:56.36 | Kirkburn | Esperanto ftw |
| 23:56.44 | zenzelezz | damnit Kirkburn, you outtype me |
| 23:56.46 | Kirkburn | Shush you, she does lots |
| 23:56.54 | Kirkburn | I out-type all! |
| 23:56.55 | Tain | I don't see what's so important that can't be expressed with a series of grunts and gestures. |
| 23:57.00 | Tain | I wanna be anarchy! |
| 23:57.11 | kergoth | :D |
| 23:57.17 | Kirkburn | You want to *be* anarchy? Won't that be a bit messy? |
| 23:57.27 | kergoth | he's quoting anarchy in the UK |
| 23:57.32 | zenzelezz | he's rebelling in his language |
| 23:57.39 | Thrae | Tain wants to apply Chaos Theory vigoriously. |
| 23:57.52 | Kirkburn | Ah. Crap songs anyway. |
| 23:57.53 | Ktron | dreamss, English is certainly not a great language, but if it is the standard used, then it's more important that we are consistent and accurate than concise |
| 23:57.55 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 23:58.09 | Tain | The English language sucks. I speak American. |
| 23:58.18 | zenzelezz | that's worse |
| 23:58.23 | Kirkburn | Tain speaks made-up dolly language! |
| 23:58.28 | Thrae | There should be a word for names that seem like they mean the opposite of what they really stand for. |
| 23:58.31 | Tain | You and your fancy metric system! |
| 23:58.41 | Kirkburn | Blame ze frenchies |
| 23:58.47 | Thrae | "Chaos Theory" brings order from chaos ;) |
| 23:58.52 | zenzelezz | quick Tain, how many yards to a mile? |
| 23:59.03 | dreamss | i agree that shortchanging info in a sentence is missleading, i do that a lot |
| 23:59.05 | Tain | In may day we got seventeen rods to the hogs head and that's the way we liked it! |
| 23:59.21 | Kirkburn | Big hogs, were they? |
| 23:59.28 | Fanook | Tain: O_o |
| 23:59.31 | Thrae | "When I measure in feet, do I use my foot or my father's?" |
| 23:59.45 | zenzelezz | thankfully May day is just like once a year |
