| 00:00.04 | Kirov | Anyone know of a better way to do this |
| 00:00.04 | Kirov | tonumber(string.sub( raidid, 5)); |
| 00:00.38 | Kirkburn1 | Night, night everyone! |
| 00:00.48 | Kirov | bye kirk |
| 00:01.18 | Kirkburn1 | see ya Kirov |
| 00:07.14 | ckknight | sorry bout the other channel, Cairenn :-P |
| 00:07.23 | Mikk1 | Kirov: not if all you have is the unitId |
| 00:07.23 | Cairenn | meh, it's fine |
| 00:07.31 | Industrial | :X |
| 00:09.20 | Cairenn | just figured I'd leave so you guys could play without any female interference, you all seem to be having so much fun :p |
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| 00:29.12 | Mikk1 | Ummmm... Just how smart is the garbage collector anyway? |
| 00:29.21 | Mikk1 | I mean.. if I have a table with recursive backreferences |
| 00:29.28 | Mikk1 | And I nil out my global pointer to it...... |
| 00:29.33 | Mikk1 | Does it actually get eaten? o.O |
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| 00:41.21 | Mikk1 | ... ohwait I can |
| 00:41.24 | Mikk1 | weak references |
| 00:44.52 | zespri_work | isn't weak reference 5.1 feature? |
| 00:46.10 | zespri_work | actually it's in 5.0 too, so you might get lucky |
| 00:46.51 | Mikk1 | well.. i'm making copies of all of FrameXML so i'll just copy and destroy a bunch of times ... i'll notice if my RAM consumption goes nuts =) |
| 01:13.06 | zespri_work | Ok the german client installed and I can connect to my chars on the us servers. Now I just need to get home after work and see how this addon of mine works in german client |
| 01:13.49 | zespri_work | I wonder, does it say "I have no mana" in german now |
| 01:15.27 | Mikk1 | you should talk to legorol about this |
| 01:15.30 | zespri_work | I mean all in-game speech |
| 01:15.50 | Mikk1 | i imagine it will |
| 01:16.21 | Mikk1 | go poke Mr Smite =) |
| 01:16.30 | zespri_work | what about specific accents? =) |
| 01:16.38 | zespri_work | like trolls |
| 01:16.56 | zespri_work | we'll I'll see tonight, will be fun =) |
| 01:17.33 | Mikk1 | They probably speak süddeutch =P |
| 01:17.33 | Mikk1 | Darn, seems like the krauts are all asleep |
| 01:19.55 | zespri_work | i think it's 3am in germany, but I may be wrong |
| 01:20.01 | Mikk1 | it is |
| 01:20.11 | Mikk1 | same time where i am ^^ |
| 01:25.33 | Mikk1 | HEY! WHO REPOINTED MY _G?! |
| 01:29.07 | Mikk1 | oh me |
| 01:37.03 | Kaelten | Do hunters ever put ammo bags in the bank? and can locks even put soul bags in the bank? |
| 01:37.13 | Kaelten | not that it'd do them any good anyway |
| 01:37.34 | Cairenn | Kaelten: not something I've ever tried, to be honest (hunter) |
| 01:37.39 | Cairenn | so no idea |
| 01:37.50 | Cairenn | can test it when I get back in a while though, if you'd like |
| 01:38.25 | Mikk1 | I've done it |
| 01:38.29 | Mikk1 | All of once |
| 01:38.52 | Fanook | Kaelten: i do. i'm levelling both guns and bows, so i bank whichever one i'm not using |
| 01:38.57 | Mikk1 | When I had to stock my inventory full of thorium widget and run to mootown for faire rewards |
| 01:39.53 | Cairenn | off for a walk, back later |
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| 03:34.15 | zespri_work | spam spam spam spam |
| 03:34.40 | Cairenn|afk | maps maps maps maps |
| 03:35.08 | zespri_work | Cairenn is takin a walk, just so you know, so don't pretend to be Cairenn! |
| 03:35.17 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:08.55 | Kaelten | you know it drives me nuts that all the other bags behave by the same set of rules, except the central bank frame |
| 04:10.47 | Cairenn | drive nothing, short putt :p |
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| 04:46.32 | Cairenn | hi Tem |
| 04:46.46 | Tem | hey Cair |
| 04:47.19 | Cairenn | how goes your summer? |
| 04:54.03 | Cairenn | ROFL, the bruisers in BB are drunk and sleeping it off! |
| 04:59.21 | Tem | it's been good so far |
| 04:59.30 | Cairenn | good to hear |
| 04:59.51 | Tem | went to dallas this weekend with my family |
| 04:59.56 | Tem | had a great time |
| 04:59.59 | Cairenn | nice :) |
| 05:00.01 | Tem | saw Les Mis |
| 05:00.13 | Cairenn | ohhhhhh, very nice! |
| 05:00.17 | Tem | which was a nice surprize since they didn't tell me about it in advance |
| 05:04.59 | Cairenn | that would be definitely be a nice surprise :) |
| 05:06.12 | Shadowed | Why does Blizzard load a Load on demand addon if it's listed as an optional dependancy? |
| 05:07.52 | Shadowed | Seems like kind of a silly thing to do since it's listed as optional |
| 05:08.45 | zespri_work | optional means load it if present. the goal of optional is to ensure right load order |
| 05:09.12 | Shadowed | Ah I see. Well that explains why I couldn't get this to work as load on demand. |
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| 05:32.06 | Shadowed | So I take it you can't use layout-cache.txt to position a frame of a load on demand addon then? |
| 05:32.33 | Shadowed | Have to store it manually in a config then set it when the addon is loaded? |
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| 05:42.55 | Cairenn | evening AnduinLothar |
| 05:43.52 | AnduinLothar | why so it is |
| 05:44.07 | AnduinLothar | evening to you too |
| 05:46.03 | AnduinLothar | anything exciting happening tonight or all all the americans off getting drunk? |
| 05:46.15 | Cairenn | that, pretty much, yeah |
| 05:46.32 | Cairenn | really quiet in channel |
| 05:46.48 | AnduinLothar | fireworks can do that to the internet |
| 05:47.08 | AnduinLothar | why look, a new Red Hot Chili Peppers album |
| 05:47.35 | AnduinLothar | i'm sleepy |
| 05:47.44 | AnduinLothar | but sleep is boring |
| 05:47.51 | Cairenn | so go sl .. or not :p |
| 05:50.32 | AnduinLothar | yeah.... I don't really like sleep... try to avoid it whenever possible |
| 05:50.41 | AnduinLothar | how was your holiday? |
| 05:51.36 | Cairenn | good |
| 05:51.48 | Cairenn | love fireworks :) |
| 05:52.08 | AnduinLothar | yeah, they're pretty nifty. |
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| 05:54.44 | AnduinLothar | hmm facebook says i'm friends with 133 college people... it uses that word very loosely.. |
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| 06:09.38 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:10.22 | AnduinLothar | morning |
| 06:10.25 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
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| 06:38.08 | zespri | damn damn damn |
| 06:38.24 | zespri | all this troubles only to find out that my addon works perfectly with german client |
| 06:38.36 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 06:38.47 | zespri | I seriously start thinking that this french guy just doesn't know what he's doing |
| 06:39.54 | Cairenn | I can see why you'd be wondering that |
| 06:40.58 | zespri | Now people who has european account, do you have say German language PAck for french version and german language pack for englis version as separate downloads or is it just the same? |
| 06:42.14 | zespri | euro people, don't pretend you are not there! |
| 06:43.04 | s|loup | sry was reading some other stuff |
| 06:43.23 | zespri | Oh, I'm just kidding =) |
| 06:43.42 | Cairenn | don't believe him, he's lying! |
| 06:43.45 | s|loup | you can download language packs for wow without dependency of your client language |
| 06:44.19 | s|loup | so if you download french language pack you can use it on german and on english client |
| 06:44.25 | zespri | this means if I have german client I was able to install the same french pack over it as if i had english client? |
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| 06:44.31 | zespri | right |
| 06:44.34 | zespri | ok thanks! |
| 06:44.36 | s|loup | np |
| 06:44.54 | Cairenn | hey MoonWolf |
| 06:45.09 | MoonWolf | hey people |
| 06:45.28 | s|loup | hi |
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| 08:54.27 | AnduinLothar | lol... looking back at the slash command code alex wrote fro Sky.. this is rediculous.. I'm rewriting it all :P |
| 08:56.32 | AnduinLothar | even got headers working nicely |
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| 09:08.05 | MoonWolf | AnduinLothar, sky 2 go. |
| 09:08.31 | AnduinLothar | well i removed most of the /command code from sky and am finally putting in its own addon |
| 09:08.51 | AnduinLothar | cause people have always hated not being able to embed just that |
| 09:09.19 | AnduinLothar | cause duplicate slash command registration is a pain just to optionally take advantage of some of the nifty features |
| 09:10.21 | AnduinLothar | and the sky code was disasterous before... like 8 hooks |
| 09:10.40 | AnduinLothar | got it down to 2 i think |
| 09:12.50 | MoonWolf | \o/ |
| 09:13.09 | MoonWolf | well, a hook on itself isn' t that bad |
| 09:13.14 | MoonWolf | it depends on what it DOES |
| 09:13.16 | krka|work | hooks are great! |
| 09:13.19 | AnduinLothar | and now you can store a slash command as a psudo chat type as well so you can have header update and sticky options |
| 09:13.58 | AnduinLothar | well, it does it automaticly for you if you specify sticky or header |
| 09:15.01 | krka|work | header update? |
| 09:15.16 | zinor | Hey all |
| 09:15.21 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.34 | AnduinLothar | after you hit space |
| 09:15.55 | AnduinLothar | the way /g --> "Guild: " |
| 09:16.36 | zinor | im wondering, when you kill a creature in-game, is it possible to say "this is when the creature died", specifically when they loot it |
| 09:16.51 | krka|work | oic |
| 09:16.52 | zinor | or would I have better luck storing just the time that they looted an item |
| 09:17.07 | krka|work | just read the combat log |
| 09:17.11 | AnduinLothar | nope. you can't get it's level from the chat msg afaik |
| 09:17.24 | krka|work | level? |
| 09:17.27 | krka|work | who said level? |
| 09:17.29 | AnduinLothar | mob level |
| 09:17.49 | AnduinLothar | well, there's no way to narrow down which mob it was |
| 09:17.52 | AnduinLothar | onyl by name |
| 09:18.23 | AnduinLothar | you can timestamp all deaths by name and then pick the most recent one i spose.. |
| 09:18.26 | AnduinLothar | not accurate tho |
| 09:18.48 | zinor | well im doing a database on curse |
| 09:18.54 | krka|work | might be accurate enough, depending on the usage |
| 09:18.55 | zinor | i think i will just record the time they looted an item |
| 09:19.01 | zinor | the reason is to prevent multiple submissions for the same data |
| 09:19.13 | AnduinLothar | loot time is prolly better |
| 09:19.40 | krka|work | what if several people loot the same corpse? |
| 09:19.53 | AnduinLothar | anyway. I'm debating also adding an option to add the chat type to the chat menu so you chan use the builtin gui to pick a color for you, in case you want to use it for output |
| 09:20.36 | zinor | krka, thats why i would have to use loot time in this situation :) |
| 09:20.44 | zinor | its the time they loot X item from X mob |
| 09:20.46 | zinor | to prevent duplication |
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| 09:21.03 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to lootframe opens |
| 09:21.40 | zinor | ya, or on death records |
| 09:21.49 | zinor | hrm the problem is |
| 09:21.56 | zinor | if a creature drops no loot |
| 09:22.01 | zinor | but they kill it |
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| 10:35.54 | AnduinLothar | let's see. who was working on faking ChatTypes.. was that mikk1? |
| 10:36.50 | Kaso | yeh |
| 10:37.00 | Kaso | if you mean http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_your_own_chat_types |
| 10:37.54 | AnduinLothar | oi, those global args aren't reverted.. |
| 10:38.50 | AnduinLothar | yeah. Satelite does that now. Except it's a lot easier to code |
| 10:39.07 | krka|work | satellite? what's that? |
| 10:40.29 | AnduinLothar | my new /command embeddable lib based on what Alex tried to do in Sky |
| 10:40.35 | AnduinLothar | only better |
| 10:40.41 | AnduinLothar | and completely recoded |
| 10:40.45 | AnduinLothar | and mroe features |
| 10:40.59 | AnduinLothar | but none of the channel comm stuff |
| 10:42.30 | AnduinLothar | allows for adding help text into the /chathelp printout as well as psudo chatType generation, sticky types... |
| 10:42.44 | AnduinLothar | was workign on slash command hooking, but i don't think it's worth it |
| 10:43.19 | AnduinLothar | other ways to achieve the same end |
| 10:44.20 | AnduinLothar | the simple example is a /print comamnd for debug that updates the ehader and you can specify what color and chat frame it shows in the same way you can do with channels |
| 10:45.58 | AnduinLothar | can also impliment a spellchecker using the onspace function call, or tab completion with ontab |
| 10:46.24 | AnduinLothar | mostly just an interface... we'll see if anyone but me uses it |
| 11:06.23 | AnduinLothar | you didn't really want to know, did you :P |
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| 11:35.11 | s|loup | can someone explain what toplevel is for? |
| 11:35.43 | s|loup | whats the difference between a frame with toplevel="true" and one with toplevel="false" |
| 11:36.39 | zenzelezz | according to the wiki, "toplevel is a boolean value that dictates whether or not the frame is player interactive, i.e.: can the user click on it, drag it, etc..." |
| 11:37.22 | s|loup | oO? |
| 11:37.43 | s|loup | i have a lot of frames where i have use the standard of false and can also interact with oO |
| 11:43.10 | AnduinLothar | toplevel comes to the top when it it shown or clicked on |
| 11:43.37 | AnduinLothar | top frame level |
| 11:43.42 | AnduinLothar | so nothing occludes it |
| 11:44.40 | netcurse | s|loup will you wear a big french flag tonight |
| 11:45.31 | s|loup | hm i dont know if i urge on french or portugal |
| 11:49.53 | s|loup | i have heard that there is a prophecy from [i have lost his name] |
| 11:50.49 | s|loup | about the spain king who will conquer the in the middle of europe and will bring the holy grale back to his land |
| 11:51.04 | s|loup | after the 6th month of 2006 |
| 11:51.49 | s|loup | portugal was part of spain at that time of prophecy |
| 11:52.14 | krka|work | ... right |
| 11:52.32 | s|loup | i cant remember of the name of the guy |
| 11:52.37 | krka|work | nostradamus? |
| 11:52.42 | s|loup | yeah |
| 11:53.42 | s|loup | i dont know if this is a joke |
| 11:53.54 | zenzelezz | probably to some degree |
| 11:53.55 | s|loup | i just heard it in radio some time ago |
| 11:54.33 | zenzelezz | he wrote a lot, and much of it may sound pretty similar to things that have happened, but it all depends on how much inaccuracy you're willing to lend him |
| 11:55.00 | zenzelezz | I remember people making up a false Nostradamus quote after the 11th September attacks |
| 11:56.09 | MoonWolf | nostradamus is like the bible |
| 11:56.18 | s|loup | yes after a event you can read stuff out of this like you want |
| 11:56.28 | MoonWolf | he has said so many things, pull it out of context and you can "prove" anything. |
| 11:56.34 | s|loup | but the Die Anzeigeart des Frame-Elementes. Die Anzeigeart sagt aus, welche Priorität das Frame in seiner Anzeige besitzt. siehe <a href="http://wow.gamona.de/index.php?seite=pp&pid=279&sid=3">frameStrata</a><br> |
| 11:56.34 | s|loup | Standardwert ist <i>"PARENT"</i> |
| 11:56.36 | s|loup | ups |
| 11:56.45 | s|loup | sry |
| 11:56.53 | krka|work | omg that is incredibly interesting s|loup ! |
| 11:57.05 | krka|work | i would like to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 11:57.14 | s|loup | what? |
| 11:57.42 | krka|work | nvm |
| 11:57.45 | AnduinLothar | i win. I can now register fake chat events with a single table :) |
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| 12:02.14 | AnduinLothar | http://pastebin.ca/79477 |
| 12:04.23 | AnduinLothar | gives me a nice sticky, header'd, color saving, chatframe directable debug printout :D |
| 12:04.50 | zenzelezz | sticky? Header? |
| 12:04.50 | Mikk1 | AnduinLothar: Nah i know I didn't revert them |
| 12:05.21 | Mikk1 | Actually, I might rewrite that some more so that I don't even have to assume that there's something called "ChatFrame" |
| 12:05.35 | Mikk1 | Hook RegisterEvent =) |
| 12:06.27 | AnduinLothar | aye, that'd work too |
| 12:06.39 | AnduinLothar | cept you woudl ahve to hook all 7 |
| 12:06.50 | AnduinLothar | ChatFrame.RegisterEvent |
| 12:06.57 | Mikk1 | ..... arf |
| 12:06.59 | AnduinLothar | ChatFrame#.RegisterEvent |
| 12:07.07 | Mikk1 | true, if some bastidh hooks them |
| 12:07.18 | Mikk1 | I was just thinking I'd hook Frame:RegisterEvent |
| 12:07.27 | AnduinLothar | nah, can't do that |
| 12:07.36 | Mikk1 | No? |
| 12:07.39 | AnduinLothar | it would have to be declared before the framexml for that to work |
| 12:07.54 | Mikk1 | I thought they just used metatables for inheritance |
| 12:10.22 | Mikk1 | Yep, metatables |
| 12:10.28 | Mikk1 | No function pointers in ChatFrame# |
| 12:10.37 | Mikk1 | But that goes out the window if someone does hook them |
| 12:10.44 | Mikk1 | (Explicitly in each frame) |
| 12:10.51 | Mikk1 | Just leave it as-is I suppose.. *sigh* |
| 12:11.41 | AnduinLothar | i just did mine a littl emore carefully |
| 12:11.56 | Mikk1 | Arf. getmetatable(ChatFrame1) -> __index = function |
| 12:11.59 | AnduinLothar | allowign for ChatFrame#.messageTypeList changes |
| 12:12.17 | AnduinLothar | and restoring the args |
| 12:12.32 | Mikk1 | Butbut |
| 12:12.46 | Mikk1 | Poking around in messageTypeList directly isn't valid |
| 12:12.46 | AnduinLothar | little slower, but better for compat with other addons |
| 12:13.01 | AnduinLothar | 'valid'? |
| 12:13.08 | AnduinLothar | it's a lua table |
| 12:13.17 | Mikk1 | If you check ChatFrame_OnEvent, it always calls GetChatWindowMessages() and registers events based on that |
| 12:13.47 | AnduinLothar | only on UPDATE_CHAT_WINDOWS |
| 12:14.23 | AnduinLothar | any changes after or in a ChatFrame_OnEvent hook would break your code |
| 12:14.47 | AnduinLothar | not that they're likely... |
| 12:15.00 | AnduinLothar | but there are some devious mods out there, trust me |
| 12:15.08 | Mikk1 | How would it break though? |
| 12:15.24 | Mikk1 | There'd be some mod that plops something in the table and goes and registers events on its own? |
| 12:15.26 | AnduinLothar | it wouldn't update your MyAddOn_UserVars.Chat table |
| 12:15.47 | AnduinLothar | if they bypassed AddChatWindowMessages |
| 12:15.51 | Mikk1 | Arf |
| 12:16.25 | Mikk1 | Granted, AddChatWindowMessages et al is a bloody joke |
| 12:16.33 | Mikk1 | If I wrote a chatframe implementation, I'd ignore it =P |
| 12:16.36 | AnduinLothar | the whole chat system is a joke |
| 12:17.13 | AnduinLothar | I should know, i've tried to rewrite it 2 or 3 times |
| 12:17.43 | AnduinLothar | one of these days I'll figure otu a GOOD way to mask channel numbers |
| 12:17.50 | MoonWolf | seeing as i know of no chat system replacements |
| 12:17.51 | MoonWolf | those failed ? |
| 12:18.01 | Mikk1 | The problem is compatibility, really |
| 12:18.19 | Mikk1 | You need to emulate a LOT of ChatFrame / FloatingChatFrame to be compatible with what people have taken to doing |
| 12:18.44 | Mikk1 | Look at how Cide is hooking in CTRA's messages for example |
| 12:18.44 | AnduinLothar | well, my alex and i first try to replace the whole thing, but found that was horrible for compat |
| 12:18.44 | Mikk1 | He's hooking FloatingChatFrame events |
| 12:18.44 | MoonWolf | you cant create a whole new set of chatframe and ignore the old ones ? |
| 12:18.51 | AnduinLothar | aye, that's how we started with Sky |
| 12:19.01 | Mikk1 | MoonWolf: Sure you can. But you'd break so many mods its not even funny |
| 12:19.05 | AnduinLothar | but any other mdo that hooks things will break |
| 12:19.11 | MoonWolf | damnit |
| 12:19.29 | MoonWolf | okay, scrap redoing the ah as the next UI elemtent |
| 12:19.37 | MoonWolf | chat system needs work. |
| 12:19.43 | AnduinLothar | my 2nd revision of Sky got rid of the replacements and moved havlf the code to non-invasive compatible hooks |
| 12:20.55 | AnduinLothar | this, my third revision I've removed almost all full replacement hooks in favor of utilizing the code that's already there... even tho it's non-intuitive and hard to manage, it will be compatible with everything |
| 12:21.23 | AnduinLothar | I've also split up the slash commands into it's own lib |
| 12:21.31 | AnduinLothar | so the chatcomm is completely different |
| 12:21.50 | Mikk1 | Is the silly little cloud separate from the chat lib too? =) |
| 12:22.08 | AnduinLothar | that has been sinve v2 |
| 12:22.29 | AnduinLothar | that's been in Meteorologist since last summer |
| 12:22.46 | Mikk1 | Want a beta tester? =) |
| 12:22.52 | AnduinLothar | not there yet |
| 12:22.58 | Mikk1 | darn =P |
| 12:23.02 | AnduinLothar | but i'll let you know |
| 12:23.09 | AnduinLothar | i need sleep. it's 5:22am |
| 12:23.21 | Mikk1 | aye, good sensible time to catch some zzz |
| 12:23.41 | AnduinLothar | prolly gonna see superman today |
| 12:24.35 | AnduinLothar | oha nd that comment up a bit where i removed a bunch of hooks... I lied... I removed 6, added 4 and then added back 4 of the orig 6 with completely rewritten code |
| 12:26.17 | MoonWolf | so you ended up with 2 more hooks then original |
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| 12:36.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | are there any negatives to not using Meteorologist, AL? :o |
| 12:36.28 | Mikk1 | he sleeps |
| 12:36.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause i haven't used it for like a year cause that damn cloud was taunting me |
| 12:36.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | gah |
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| 13:40.43 | Furism | Hi there |
| 13:40.52 | Mikk1 | 'lo |
| 13:41.07 | Furism | Is there any wowwiki.com admin guy around here? |
| 13:41.14 | Mikk1 | no |
| 13:41.19 | Mikk1 | but i know quite a bit about it |
| 13:41.50 | Furism | It's not a problem with Wiki code or anything |
| 13:42.09 | Mikk1 | i meant wowwiki specifically =) |
| 13:42.10 | Furism | I need to discuss an interwiki system with one of them, directly |
| 13:42.32 | Mikk1 | Ah. Interwiki linking? |
| 13:42.38 | Furism | Aye |
| 13:42.40 | Mikk1 | Ohwait, you posted on Fandyllic's page a while ago didn't you? |
| 13:42.47 | Furism | Indeed |
| 13:42.59 | Furism | He got back to me too |
| 13:43.33 | Mikk1 | You want to talk to Rustak about it I think. He's the one that can actually make the changes. |
| 13:43.37 | Furism | Except Rustak takes the big decision, and he's been "out of touch" lately |
| 13:43.47 | Mikk1 | (He's the one actually running the thing) |
| 13:43.50 | Furism | Yup |
| 13:43.57 | Mikk1 | Have you tried mailing him? |
| 13:44.01 | Furism | Yup |
| 13:44.04 | Mikk1 | Ow |
| 13:44.18 | Furism | Last time he got back to me he was in Amsterdam for a convention or something |
| 13:44.29 | Furism | Never heard of him since then ! |
| 13:45.28 | Mikk1 | Dunno what to say really |
| 13:45.38 | Mikk1 | Like I said, he's really the only one that can do it |
| 13:46.12 | Furism | Anybody with access to the database can, and I suppose he's not the only one, but I undestand he has to make the decision - which makes sense |
| 13:46.17 | Furism | It's ok, I guess |
| 13:46.42 | Mikk1 | Hm? He's the only one that can poke anything about the wiki not accessible through the wiki interface |
| 13:46.44 | Furism | Just kind of sad not to use this interwiki linking to promote the world wide WoW community |
| 13:47.02 | Mikk1 | And afaiki interwiki linking can't be configured through the wiki interface? |
| 13:47.08 | Mikk1 | (Though I suppose I could be wrong) |
| 13:47.31 | Furism | Nope, can't be, you need to edit one little entry in the SQL database directly |
| 13:47.38 | Mikk1 | Aye that's what I thought |
| 13:47.40 | Mikk1 | Rustak then |
| 13:47.55 | Furism | I thought maybe, you know, he gave the password to someone else just 'in case' |
| 13:48.18 | Mikk1 | Well... if anyone, it'd be his friends at the hosting company where the box is located |
| 13:48.25 | Mikk1 | But I have nooooo idea who they are |
| 13:48.36 | Mikk1 | Schmidt and Fandyllic certainly don't have it |
| 13:48.50 | Mikk1 | They'd have replaced the logo long time ago if they did =P |
| 13:49.10 | Furism | Even if they did, anyway, he'd still have to make the call so :) |
| 13:49.17 | Furism | Yeah, I saw them logos, pretty nice stuff |
| 13:49.38 | Furism | Gee I wish the wiki I run had so many people helping |
| 13:51.11 | Furism | Do you know what happened to AlexanderYoshi? |
| 13:51.32 | Furism | I used to talk to them when WoWWiki was still young, now Rustak is in charge. What happened? |
| 13:52.02 | Mikk1 | Alex doesn't do a lot of things related to WoW anymore |
| 13:52.10 | Mikk1 | He stepped down as the Cosmos lead also |
| 13:52.31 | Furism | ok |
| 13:53.07 | Furism | Well, thanks for all the infos Mikk, I guess I'll go back to work now |
| 13:53.16 | Mikk1 | Ow. Work? Vacation! =) |
| 13:53.33 | Furism | Na, work. No A/C. 35°C |
| 13:53.37 | Furism | Work in 2 weeks >< |
| 13:53.42 | Mikk1 | 35 |
| 13:53.49 | Mikk1 | I'll stay up north =) |
| 13:54.19 | Furism | Yeah |
| 13:54.39 | Furism | I mean, I wouldn't mind 35° if I was living 5km from a beach or something |
| 13:54.53 | Furism | But 35° with only buildings around, meh |
| 13:54.57 | Mikk1 | Mm |
| 13:55.08 | Mikk1 | Well, as long as it stays below 37 it's bareable |
| 13:55.19 | Mikk1 | But give it a few more degrees and life starts sucking in a major way |
| 13:55.56 | Furism | Sucks less if it's 37 and you're not at work, though |
| 13:56.31 | Mikk1 | Btw, it helps to poke Rustak repeatedly. I have a few things that I want done too so I just keep poking him =)) |
| 13:59.16 | Furism | Yeah well, since I need sort of a favor from him, I don't want to harass him |
| 13:59.32 | Mikk1 | Mm, understandable |
| 13:59.56 | Furism | Since the interwiki link exchange would be more interresting for me than him, since my wiki is less known than him (because of the smaller audience and the non-Cosmos advert) |
| 14:00.09 | Furism | than his |
| 14:00.20 | Furism | too hot.. can't... speak.. english |
| 14:00.27 | Mikk1 | It'd help to get rid of some french pages on wowwiki though |
| 14:00.36 | Mikk1 | Like the multi-page french druid FAQ |
| 14:00.50 | Furism | I didn't even know there was stuff like that heh |
| 14:00.58 | Furism | That would definitively make sense |
| 14:01.07 | Furism | (to move from EN to -> FR that is) |
| 14:01.18 | Mikk1 | Mm.. Now just gimme a german wiki to get rid of the random german crud that keeps popping up |
| 14:01.35 | Furism | Gotta be a nightmare to check too |
| 14:01.51 | Furism | How'd you check a language you don't undestand? :) |
| 14:04.32 | Furism | Anyway, feel free to redirect them to me :) www.wikiwow.com (no, I didn't mean to rip the name off) |
| 14:04.37 | Furism | Gotta go, cheers |
| 14:32.31 | End | news is a weird looking word if you really look at it |
| 14:32.54 | End | ok, news a really weird looking word to -me- when I really look at it |
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| 14:49.12 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.17 | Atog | hiya |
| 14:49.17 | Cairenn | morning |
| 14:49.26 | Atog | Can anyone tell me what SetTextStatusBarText does? |
| 14:49.32 | Atog | wowwiki isn't really helping me. |
| 14:54.43 | Wobin | End: Any word is weird the longer you look at it |
| 14:56.31 | End | Wobin: true true |
| 14:56.55 | End | I was just looking at it and I was like News...New s New s? |
| 14:57.11 | Wobin | nEws |
| 14:57.28 | End | NeWs |
| 14:57.34 | End | sweN |
| 14:58.11 | End | oh |
| 14:59.07 | End | Wobin: about your SetCursor() problem: you can't have hardware cursor enabled (and as previously observed, are limited to blp files) |
| 14:59.19 | Wobin | yeah =\ |
| 14:59.29 | Wobin | far too many limitations to be worthwhile |
| 14:59.48 | End | I was a little surprised when I reenabled hardware cursor and my SetCursor() code stopped working |
| 14:59.58 | End | yeah, I'm trying to prod slouken about it |
| 15:00.41 | Wobin | I wanted a nice targetting cursor for PaintBall |
| 15:00.58 | End | I have a resizable window. |
| 15:01.18 | End | (want to have resizing cursors on edges) |
| 15:02.02 | End | the code works, but I may just do a check for GetCVar("gxCursor") until that limitation gets removed |
| 15:11.10 | Shadowed | So I guess Cide isn't on right now? |
| 15:11.43 | End | doesn't look like it |
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| 15:24.31 | chuckg | Hmm, any ideas on if WoW will make a error log if my mod is locking it up? |
| 15:24.32 | chuckg | :| |
| 15:27.05 | chuckg | 3rd party applications?! |
| 15:27.10 | Mikk1 | You know you want to |
| 15:27.53 | Mikk1 | Comes with ctrl+c support to break into endless loops even =) |
| 15:29.05 | chuckg | guiguigui. |
| 15:29.22 | chuckg | And less installation steps! |
| 15:30.22 | Mikk1 | You're welcome to make an MSI package =) |
| 15:30.53 | chuckg | Or stab myself in the eye. |
| 15:30.57 | chuckg | None are happening this month. |
| 15:30.59 | chuckg | =D |
| 15:31.00 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 15:31.11 | chuckg | Weird it's not locking the game up anymore. |
| 15:31.12 | chuckg | =D |
| 15:31.17 | chuckg | Maybe it was on blizz's side. |
| 15:31.19 | chuckg | Just like the other bug. |
| 15:31.38 | Mikk1 | Maybe it felt you threatening it with running under a third-party application |
| 15:31.43 | chuckg | I love when blizzard fixes THEIR end and my code, the same stuff that threw errors and locked the game, starts working again! |
| 15:32.31 | chuckg | Nope there it oges :( |
| 15:34.32 | Mikk1 | purl, emulate Mikik |
| 15:34.35 | Mikk1 | purl, emulate Mikk |
| 15:34.53 | Mikk1 | purl, emulate Mikk1 |
| 15:34.55 | purl | ACTION begs everyone to contribute to WoWBench |
| 15:35.06 | Mikk1 | ~botsnack |
| 15:35.06 | purl | aw, gee, Mikk1 |
| 15:35.24 | chuckg | Back in line! |
| 15:35.28 | chuckg | ~slap |
| 15:35.38 | chuckg | He's unresponsive to abusive humans, huh? |
| 15:37.44 | Mikk1 | ~slap Chuckg |
| 15:37.45 | purl | ACTION slaps Chuckg, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 15:37.53 | Mikk1 | Not really =) |
| 15:38.29 | Mikk1 | ~botslap |
| 15:38.31 | purl | OUCH! That hurt, mikk1! |
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| 16:31.06 | Atog | hmm... I'm writing a function that looks up data about a person when they whisper you. Except WoW doesn't do seem to support that |
| 16:31.59 | Atog | I can do a /who on their name, but if their name is something common, I'll just get a list of 50 results, and the person I'm looking for isn't necessarily in there. |
| 16:32.05 | Atog | Am I missing something here? |
| 16:33.31 | Mikma | you should check out the code in ie. Chatr |
| 16:33.36 | Mikma | it has autowho feature in it |
| 16:34.00 | Mikma | some other addon had it too but i can't remember the name |
| 16:34.06 | Mikma | scnn or something |
| 16:34.29 | Atog | Chatr? I'll look that up. |
| 16:34.47 | Mikma | it's atleast on ui.worldofwar.net |
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| 16:50.52 | Atog | thanks, that cleared it up |
| 17:22.54 | Mikma | np :) |
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| 17:35.40 | Cairenn | morning kergoth |
| 17:36.12 | kergoth | ugh, dont remind me |
| 17:36.17 | Cairenn | heh, sorry |
| 17:36.27 | kergoth | :) how goes it? |
| 17:36.47 | Cairenn | well, it isn't morning here any more, so that's an improvement ;) |
| 17:37.21 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 17:59.15 | Tem | so, I tasted Coke Blak this week end |
| 17:59.28 | Tem | very interesting taste, but not something |
| 17:59.32 | Tem | I would buy again |
| 17:59.50 | Tem | (stupid shift key right next to the enter key) |
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| 18:01.09 | Kirov_ | Coke Blak |
| 18:01.11 | Kirov_ | ? |
| 18:01.17 | Kirov_ | Grape Coke? |
| 18:02.09 | kergoth | Kirov_: its some sort of coke with coffee or somesuch. i keep seeing it at the grocery store, but havent yet gotten around to trying it. heh |
| 18:02.25 | Kirov_ | eick |
| 18:04.36 | Shadowed | You sure it's coffee? Mountain Dew black was just grape |
| 18:05.06 | Kirov_ | http://www.coca-colablak.com/us/index.jsp |
| 18:05.25 | Shadowed | ... |
| 18:05.45 | Shadowed | I though it was a typo when you said "Blak" |
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| 18:08.20 | Tem|Food | it's with coffee |
| 18:08.30 | Tem|Food | and no, "blak" was not a typo |
| 18:12.21 | Iriel | That freakish coke stuff? |
| 18:13.18 | Tem|Food | yeah |
| 18:13.26 | Tem|Food | it was an interesting taste |
| 18:13.31 | Tem|Food | but not something I'd pay for |
| 18:13.48 | Tem|Food | probably would have been better if it was properly chilled and not lukewarm |
| 18:17.13 | Tem|Food | that's an odd place to get a free coke sample |
| 18:17.37 | Iriel | They do have soda coolers by the registers tho |
| 18:17.52 | Tem|Food | they sure do |
| 18:17.58 | Tem|Food | forgot about that |
| 18:18.04 | Iriel | And their clientelle is likely the target market |
| 18:18.11 | kergoth | best buy doesnt seem that odd a place to give a sample of something like that. geeks do like their caffeine, after all |
| 18:18.15 | kergoth | Iriel: :) |
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| 18:18.49 | Tem|Food | I keep waiting for them to show up on campus |
| 18:19.14 | Tem|Food | when they came out with Chery vanilla coke, they were outside the union giving free samples |
| 18:19.19 | Kirov_ | Well, as far as stores that sell both snack / drinks along with hardware and software, best buy probably fits the bill the best. |
| 18:19.48 | Kirov_ | I tried cherry vanilla once |
| 18:19.58 | Kirov_ | actually, no |
| 18:20.01 | Kirov_ | vanilla once |
| 18:20.04 | Tem|Food | I prefer normal coke |
| 18:20.22 | Tem|Food | I like cherry, but the vanilla does nothing for me |
| 18:20.25 | Kirov_ | I prefer vanilla coke that doesn't taste so amazingly fake |
| 18:20.26 | kergoth | i prefer pepsi products, unless there's alcohol involved |
| 18:20.39 | Kirov_ | ie: real soda fountain vanilla coke |
| 18:20.52 | Tem|Food | Dr Pepper is the elixir of life, kergoth |
| 18:21.10 | Kirov_ | chocolate coke is a kick too, but yeah, Roy Roger beats them all |
| 18:21.27 | Tem|Food | chocolate coke? |
| 18:21.30 | Kirov_ | I flip between Dr Pepper and Mr. Pibb |
| 18:21.31 | kergoth | indeed. i buy 6 packs of these 8 ounce bottles of dr pepper from the soda store here. yummy |
| 18:21.38 | Kirov_ | For a while I was on Dr. Slice |
| 18:21.46 | Tem|Food | 8 ounce bottles? |
| 18:21.50 | Tem|Food | weaksause |
| 18:22.05 | Iriel | The vanilla cokes taste too sweet |
| 18:22.10 | Iriel | but they're tolerable |
| 18:22.40 | Kirov_ | Tem - 50's diners used to serve flavored coke of all sorts of types. |
| 18:22.49 | Kirov_ | Some 50's style diners still do. |
| 18:22.53 | kergoth | Tem|Food: small, but its the good stuff with pure cane sugar. |
| 18:22.55 | Kirov_ | Ruby's for example. |
| 18:22.59 | kergoth | http://popsoda.com/drpepperwsugar.html |
| 18:23.25 | Tem|Food | sounds delicious |
| 18:23.47 | Iriel | Cherry coke made by adding a cherry (and some juice, I assume) to fountain coke are pretty good. I've only had that in Vegas tho (helpful waitresses and late night blackjack FTW) |
| 18:24.25 | kergoth | mmm, late night blackjack in vegas... i need to go to vegas again soon |
| 18:24.26 | Tem|Food | I used to get that all the time as a kid at resturantes |
| 18:28.21 | Tem | Tem thinks so too |
| 18:28.35 | Tem | Tem enjoys typing in the thrid person very much |
| 18:34.16 | Shadowed | Has anyone managed to bug out the game before so that when you leave a group the raid UI is still there, /reload doesn't fix it and they can't be invited to a group? |
| 18:35.11 | Shadowed | Somebody is saying that my addon is causing it, but I don't see how it's possible given that I don't really do anything regarding parties/raids :/ |
| 18:35.18 | Tem | it's not your addon |
| 18:35.23 | Tem | I see that all the time |
| 18:35.30 | Tem | the game is stupid |
| 18:35.30 | Mikma | yeah me too, it's freaking annoying |
| 18:35.35 | Mikma | "is already in a group" |
| 18:35.41 | Shadowed | I see |
| 18:36.03 | Mikma | if you do alot of pvp and are the one inviting people you will bump into it soon |
| 18:36.05 | Shadowed | He says that when he leaves inside a battleground it works fine, when he leaves outside it bugs up. And when he disables SSPVP it doesn't bug up at all. |
| 18:36.11 | Mikma | "i'm not in a party" |
| 18:36.31 | Tem | Cairenn|afk, you might want to remove the link to Iriel's changes thread since they poofed it. |
| 18:37.04 | Shadowed | Thanks though, couldn't figure out how he was getting it, made no sense. |
| 18:39.52 | Kirov_ | We once had an entire MC raid get stuck "in party" after we'd disbanded and started reforming for Ony |
| 18:40.24 | Tem | I used to think that /radisband was the culprit |
| 18:40.46 | Kirov_ | We hadn't used /radisband. It was funny trying to explain to people how to do /script LeaveParty() |
| 18:41.01 | Kirov_ | Aparently a GM had told someone it was LeaveRaid() and refused to think otherwise |
| 18:41.09 | Tem | my guild note is "try /script LeaveParty()" |
| 18:41.14 | Shadowed | haha |
| 18:41.32 | Kirov_ | He'd convinced people in the guild it was LeaveRaid() as well since we were in a raid, not a party |
| 18:41.41 | Tem | when we disband an Ony raid for what ever is next, there is usually 4-5 people that are stuck in party |
| 18:41.55 | Shadowed | Why disband the raid instead of using the current one? |
| 18:41.59 | Tem | and LeaveParty only works for a few of them |
| 18:42.10 | Tem | we disband because we take just about anyone to Ony |
| 18:42.14 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 18:42.19 | Tem | but are slightly more selective for other raids |
| 18:42.23 | Kirov_ | Yeah, same |
| 18:42.34 | Tem | mostly for BWL, but for MC we try to bring people who actually need the gear in there |
| 18:43.00 | Tem | as much as I like seeing nexus crystals in the bank's mailbox, I prefer to see people upgrade their stuff |
| 18:43.03 | Kirov_ | Usually people just go afk after a major raid, so there are a lot of random people sitting in the MC raid group, so we start a new one to make sure it's only people who actually want to attend |
| 18:43.12 | Shadowed | You can PVP to rank 10 and the blues are better then some MC gear at this point |
| 18:43.24 | Tem | for a mage, definately |
| 18:43.27 | Shadowed | Or people who want to AFK the whole raid for easy DKP :p |
| 18:43.39 | Tem | MC gear is crap for mages |
| 18:44.06 | Tem | It's a good thing they buffed Arcanist. At least now, there are some mages who want it. |
| 18:44.26 | Tem | (less people to bid against me in BWL :)) |
| 18:44.57 | Shadowed | They aren't smart enough to realize Netherwind is better then Arcanist? :p |
| 18:45.27 | Tem | no, they just aren't smart enough to realize how crappy Arcanist is |
| 18:45.38 | Shadowed | Oh, you mean they'll have less points then you? |
| 18:45.44 | Tem | ya |
| 18:45.44 | Shadowed | mean! |
| 18:45.53 | Kirov_ | I don't really pay attention to mages |
| 18:46.02 | Tem | well, there is this one mage who won't take off his Arcanist peices for NW because he thinks the 15% threat reduction is uber |
| 18:46.09 | Kirov_ | I have no idea what their gear is like and what is good / bad |
| 18:46.09 | Shadowed | Nobody pays attention to mages unless they pull aggro, then everyone yells at them |
| 18:46.19 | Tem | we don't pull agro anymore |
| 18:46.28 | Tem | unless your tank is asleep, you have no excuse |
| 18:46.49 | Kirov_ | We have one mage in our guild who's mainly known for always pulling aggro. |
| 18:47.02 | Shadowed | except for the guards in BWL which I can't recall the name |
| 18:47.09 | Tem | must not have speced into the new agro talents |
| 18:47.12 | Shadowed | always enjoyable watching mages die to that |
| 18:47.15 | Tem | oh, the vulnerable ones? |
| 18:47.17 | Kirov_ | He's pulled aggro on Nefarian at 22% and wiped us, pulled aggro on Huhuran at 31%, etc. |
| 18:47.23 | Tem | I *love* fighting those |
| 18:47.34 | Tem | how the hell does a mage pull on Nef? |
| 18:47.36 | Tem | how? |
| 18:47.41 | Tem | that makes no sense |
| 18:47.56 | Kirov_ | Tem - It's called polymorph call? |
| 18:47.58 | Tentacled | as I put it - if anyone pulls aggro, it means only one thing: the tank sucks. |
| 18:48.02 | Shadowed | Kirov_: Faster priests |
| 18:48.31 | Tem | what, he was second on the list and someone sheeped the MT? |
| 18:48.43 | Tem | that's just dumb placement for your mages |
| 18:49.04 | Tem | they should all be at the back of the raid. as close to the tail as possible so that one blink puts them out of range for sheep |
| 18:49.06 | Shadowed | only time i've seen mages wipe people on huhu is when they cast some buff during the pull |
| 18:49.12 | Kirov_ | In that particular case he was standing waaaay too close for some reason when the mage call happened and happened to be second on the aggro list (usually me, but I'd just FDed). Nefarian turned and all our priests died |
| 18:49.55 | Tem | during the druid call, ONE mage should run up closer to decurse the MT |
| 18:50.09 | Tem | and it should be one with iceblock up so he can avoid sheeping anyone |
| 18:50.21 | Shadowed | i though mage call ignored ice block? |
| 18:50.35 | Tem | nope :) |
| 18:50.43 | Tem | it's a debuff |
| 18:50.54 | Tem | iceblock clears all but 3 debuffs in the game |
| 18:51.17 | Tem | Burning Adrenaline, Resurection sickness, Recently Bandanged |
| 18:51.36 | Shadowed | yeah I remember that it clears it, but I could swear that it didn't remove it |
| 18:51.55 | Tem | maybe they changed it long ago? |
| 18:51.58 | Shadowed | but this was from like 8 months ago when learning nef, so don't remember completly |
| 18:52.21 | Kirov_ | I have obsurdly good luck during mage calls |
| 18:52.42 | Kirov_ | I've seen people around me get polyed 3-4 times in a row and not get touched |
| 18:52.58 | Tem | I love turning people into cats |
| 18:53.16 | Shadowed | brb 10 minutes, WSG :( |
| 18:53.39 | Kirov_ | So, do any of your raids have someone the priests universally dispise and always "heal" during the priest call? |
| 18:54.03 | Tem | lol |
| 18:54.04 | Tem | no |
| 18:54.12 | Tem | I wish I was a priest now |
| 18:54.29 | Kirov_ | One rogue we used to have would always be dead after the first priest call |
| 18:54.50 | Kirov_ | for some _strange_ reason he'd have 3-4 debuffs on him right after the priest call |
| 18:55.00 | Shadowed | Kirov_: yes |
| 18:55.02 | Tem | we just have some really B-Team priests so there is usually 4-5 stacks on the MT |
| 18:55.11 | Shadowed | Last BWL I think we had about 6-7 people dead from the priest call |
| 18:55.25 | Tem | our guild leader is one of the best healers playing the game |
| 18:55.27 | Kirov_ | Shadowed - on purpose, or just stupid people? |
| 18:55.32 | Tem | but our other priests are just... bleh |
| 18:55.39 | Shadowed | Kirov_: purpose |
| 18:56.05 | Kirov_ | Tem - My gf wrote a mod that cancels all non-instant heals during priest call. |
| 18:56.11 | Shadowed | Yeah thats what we had in my old guild Tem, 1 amazing priest/druid, rest we're pretty bad |
| 18:56.33 | Kirov_ | We've had a number of really good priests go through our guild. |
| 18:56.35 | Tem | it's a shame really |
| 18:56.42 | Shadowed | It's a hard class to play well :/ |
| 18:56.50 | Tem | first T3 on our server went to a priest that used to be in our guild |
| 18:57.32 | Tem | one of the good ones that passed through |
| 18:57.40 | Shadowed | T3? |
| 18:57.43 | Shadowed | oh nevermind |
| 18:57.49 | Tem | Terminator 3 |
| 18:57.51 | Tem | duh |
| 18:57.58 | Kirov_ | Ahnold! |
| 18:58.02 | Tem | (here's your sign) |
| 18:58.02 | Shadowed | well it depends on your guild |
| 18:58.31 | Shadowed | A lot of the time the priests I've seen that go to a different guild is because the current one wasn't "hardcore" enough and they wanted to play with more experienced people or a stricter guild |
| 18:58.53 | Kirov_ | Aye, same |
| 18:59.01 | Tem | we have the best tanks on the server |
| 18:59.01 | Kirov_ | That or they quit wow |
| 18:59.07 | gnorlish | we lose priests because almost every priest who plays is terrible |
| 18:59.14 | Shadowed | well that too |
| 18:59.45 | Shadowed | It's incredibly frusterating as a tank when your healer is bad since you can't do anything effective, trying to rely on them for healing during like Ouro isn't fun :/ |
| 19:00.00 | gnorlish | i don't know how people can feel comfortable just knowing their own small part of an encounter |
| 19:00.15 | gnorlish | it cripples them, especially healers |
| 19:00.22 | Tem | agreed |
| 19:00.30 | Shadowed | most effective ones are the people who can predict whats going to happen, or knows ahead of time of what the other person will do imo |
| 19:00.37 | Tem | I much prefer to know what's going on everywhere |
| 19:00.51 | gnorlish | i had to start playing a shaman and a priest instead of my mage in bwl |
| 19:00.54 | Kirov_ | Finding a decent priest when you get to the raiding level is a pain. Too many priests are too used to be given everything because they're a priest only to get yelled at for not keeping the tank up instead of being doted on and begged to come. |
| 19:01.01 | gnorlish | so i know fights from a few different perspectives |
| 19:01.28 | gnorlish | annnd my new monitor is coming up the driveway now |
| 19:01.31 | gnorlish | ohboy |
| 19:01.34 | Shadowed | enjoy |
| 19:01.43 | Tem | *jealous* |
| 19:01.53 | gnorlish | i guess i should put some pants on |
| 19:01.58 | Shadowed | I always found playing priests fun, probably going to start raiding with mine when server transfers come up. |
| 19:02.11 | Kirov_ | gnorlish - "too much information" |
| 19:02.14 | gnorlish | priest is certainly more fun than shaman |
| 19:02.32 | gnorlish | fade is so cheats |
| 19:02.43 | Kirov_ | raiding shaman / paladin has to be the worst class in the game |
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| 19:02.52 | Shadowed | I could see Paladins being fun during raids |
| 19:02.56 | Kirov_ | paladins are better now |
| 19:03.04 | Shadowed | Just make a macro to spam a heal and go AFK, collect loot |
| 19:03.23 | Shadowed | Some of the farther in nax fights look fun for healers |
| 19:03.47 | Kirov_ | I've resisted the urge to make a "Shoot Stuff" macro for my hunter for proper multi / aimed timings |
| 19:04.07 | Kirov_ | I do, however, have a "Spam Melee" button |
| 19:04.32 | Kirov_ | raptor, wing clip, mongoose, counterattack |
| 19:04.49 | Kirov_ | I hold aggro better than some warriors with that. |
| 19:05.04 | Shadowed | get new warriors :p |
| 19:05.22 | Kirov_ | not during raids |
| 19:05.28 | Kirov_ | when pugging |
| 19:05.48 | Shadowed | think we found the problem! |
| 19:05.53 | Kirov_ | Actually, I pull aggro off of warriors when auto-attacking with my hunter with pugs. |
| 19:05.54 | Tem | I have an "assist the MA, frostbolt" macro |
| 19:06.04 | Shadowed | too many warriors seem to think that sunder armor is optional |
| 19:06.27 | tyaneas | Hi ! Where can i get more information about the drop list widget ? How to setup the list, values etc. |
| 19:06.33 | Shadowed | I'll just put tanking gear on and auto attack mobs, if anyone asks why i'm doing poor damage i'll say i'm offtanking! |
| 19:06.56 | Tem | Shadowed, what class? |
| 19:07.05 | Shadowed | Tem: Warrior |
| 19:07.15 | Kirov_ | tyaneas - give me a sec |
| 19:07.31 | Tem | why did I think you were a priest or mage? |
| 19:08.16 | Shadowed | i've played around in most classes and make stuff up, maybe i was right when i made stuff up about a mage! |
| 19:08.23 | Kirov_ | tyaneas - do you have the Blizzard UI source? |
| 19:08.53 | Kirov_ | hmm, anyone else unable to connect to wowinterface? |
| 19:09.12 | tyaneas | Kirov_: are you talking about all these folders inside the interface folder ? |
| 19:09.13 | End | I can connect |
| 19:09.42 | Shadowed | can connect fine |
| 19:09.54 | Kirov_ | tyaneas - no, the actual .xml and .lua files that make up the interface that WoW uses by default |
| 19:10.01 | Kirov_ | You can get them from wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 19:11.17 | tyaneas | Kirov_: 11115462.zip |
| 19:11.25 | Kirov_ | tyaneas - yeah, that should be it |
| 19:11.31 | Kirov_ | Loot at UIDropDownMenu.lua in FrameXML |
| 19:11.39 | Kirov_ | That's all the code for it |
| 19:12.19 | tyaneas | Kirov_: Thanks, i will have a look and bug you shortly |
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| 19:18.45 | tyaneas | Kirov_: do you happen to know any link that demonstrates the use of the drop down list ? I'm kinda lost with UIDropDownMenu.lua |
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| 20:16.07 | Kirov_ | tyaneas - I remember seeing one at some point, but mostly I just looked at the existing code for examples of how it was used. |
| 20:16.49 | tyaneas | Kirov_: ok thanks anyway. I'm trying out some things |
| 20:18.36 | Atog | tyaneas: I'm actually about to implement that too |
| 20:18.49 | Atog | so I'll poke around with it too, and see if I can help. |
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| 20:22.41 | Atog | why did I reply to someone who was offline? |
| 20:22.54 | End | good question |
| 20:23.11 | Atog | *shrugs* |
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| 20:39.55 | End | oh ...doh |
| 20:40.16 | Shadowed | get the stapler |
| 20:40.52 | End | looks like I need to clue someone in on how to use svn...they did an svnadmin create, and then did an svn add/commit to add it to the svn repository...so..it's a repo...in a repo |
| 20:40.56 | End | brb |
| 20:41.21 | Atog | RAID_CLASS_COLORS is a global variable? |
| 20:41.25 | Atog | what the. |
| 20:45.30 | Kirov_ | Atog - it's defined Fonts.lua |
| 20:45.37 | Kirov_ | er, xml |
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| 21:10.09 | Atog | Kirov_, thanks, found it |
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| 21:38.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | bah |
| 21:38.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone know if there's any kind of wildcard support for LootFilter? |
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| 21:39.57 | End | oh oh |
| 21:40.01 | End | it's time to PARTY |
| 21:41.13 | haste_ | Failed Attempt. |
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| 22:14.11 | Atog | .. |
| 22:14.43 | Atog | that bad, huh? |
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| 22:29.57 | JoshBorke | erm, how do i hook SetHeight for a specific frame? |
| 22:31.15 | Kirov_ | frame.SetHeight = myfunc |
| 22:31.24 | Kirov_ | myfunc(self, heigh) |
| 22:31.35 | JoshBorke | and then how do i call the old function? |
| 22:31.58 | JoshBorke | i've hooked it, but everytime i call the old function i get an erro about calling '.' instead of ':' |
| 22:32.08 | Kirov_ | that's the self part |
| 22:32.11 | Kaso | when you use . the first arg is the self |
| 22:32.39 | Kaso | frame:function() == frame.function(frame) |
| 22:33.54 | JoshBorke | ah, ok, must not have tried that |
| 22:34.43 | JoshBorke | thanks :-) |
| 22:36.38 | Kirov_ | origFunc = frame.Func |
| 22:36.38 | Kirov_ | frame.Func = myFunc |
| 22:36.38 | Kirov_ | function myFunc(self, var) |
| 22:36.38 | Kirov_ | --stuff |
| 22:36.38 | Kirov_ | origFunc(self,var); |
| 22:36.39 | Kirov_ | end |
| 22:40.20 | JoshBorke | danke :-) |
| 22:41.29 | Kirov_ | You could also be fancy with something like this |
| 22:41.30 | Kirov_ | frame.origFunc = frame.Func |
| 22:41.30 | Kirov_ | frame.Func = myFunc |
| 22:41.30 | Kirov_ | function myFunc(self, var) |
| 22:41.30 | Kirov_ | --stuff |
| 22:41.30 | Kirov_ | frame:origFunc(var); |
| 22:41.32 | Kirov_ | end |
| 22:41.34 | Kirov_ | I think |
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| 23:06.54 | Atog | when exactly are saved values loaded? |
| 23:07.05 | Atog | After On_Load()? |
| 23:07.18 | Atog | Before that? |
| 23:07.44 | Shadowed | on VARIABLES_LOADED event |
| 23:08.15 | Kirov_ | pff, that would make too much sense! |
| 23:08.37 | Kirov_ | Should happen like 2.11 seconds after the first UNIT_AURA event |
| 23:08.40 | Shadowed | Well, I suppose if you wanted to make it more complicated you could do an OnUpdate check every time it's called |
| 23:08.58 | Atog | ok ok :) thanks. |
| 23:09.38 | Atog | so I need to register for that one, too? |
| 23:10.08 | Shadowed | only VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 23:10.10 | Kirov_ | Atog - out of curiosity, why do you need to know when they load? |
| 23:10.18 | Shadowed | Kirov_ was joking when he said UNIT_AURA ( i hope ) |
| 23:10.58 | Kirov_ | I never joke, ask my pet Wallaby, Susan. |
| 23:11.08 | Atog | Kirov - out of curiosity, mostly |
| 23:11.40 | Atog | but I'm having an addon that's comparable to damagemeters, and it inits a bunch of saved data |
| 23:12.13 | Atog | so I was wondering about the proper way to do that. |
| 23:12.42 | Shadowed | as long as it's not load on demand then VARIABLES_LOADED works fine |
| 23:13.36 | Atog | *nod* it should. |
| 23:13.40 | Kirov_ | does VARIABLES_LOADED ever get fired again after an initial load? |
| 23:13.50 | Kirov_ | not counting another reloadui |
| 23:13.50 | Atog | I hope not, or my mod will explode. |
| 23:13.51 | Shadowed | don't think so |
| 23:13.54 | kergoth | would probably be safer to just use ADDON_LOADED, no? |
| 23:14.08 | Kirov_ | kergoth, possibly |
| 23:14.11 | Atog | when does ADDON_LOADED fire? |
| 23:14.23 | Shadowed | right after your addon is loaded i believe |
| 23:14.23 | Kirov_ | or you could just unregister VARIABLES_LOADED after it sees the event |
| 23:14.54 | Shadowed | If VARIABLES_LOADED was called multiple times not counting a reloadui then you'd see the "Some mod loaded!" messages |
| 23:15.16 | Atog | actually, the mod keeps track of people that want to join my raid when it's full. |
| 23:15.36 | Shadowed | waitlist tracker? |
| 23:15.43 | Atog | oh, that exists? :) |
| 23:15.55 | Shadowed | Not sure, wouldn't be suprising though |
| 23:16.04 | AnduinLothar | nah, I' haven't seen one |
| 23:16.08 | Atog | indeed. I'm hoping it'll prove convenient |
| 23:16.09 | AnduinLothar | lot of people want one tho |
| 23:16.25 | Atog | well, when it's a bit more polished, I'll upload it |
| 23:17.27 | Shadowed | I'm guessing the reason you asked about when variables is loaded is to set the defaults and such? |
| 23:17.54 | Atog | *nod* |
| 23:18.06 | Shadowed | Just check if the config variable is nil |
| 23:18.26 | Atog | oh well. |
| 23:18.29 | Shadowed | if( foo == nil ) then foo = {}; foo.enabled = 1; end |
| 23:18.40 | Kirov_ | Do you want to allow the user to reset the settings back to defaults? |
| 23:19.00 | Atog | actually, there's so little now that that wouldn't make sense |
| 23:19.02 | Kirov_ | because if you don't care, you can just define the defaults when you create the table |
| 23:19.20 | Atog | yes, that's probably best |
| 23:19.21 | kergoth | you can also be lazy and define your defaults outside of any event, just set the global. thatll get blown away by the user's SV when it gets loaded, so that default table will get GC'd. less efficient than checking for nil and defining it there only though |
| 23:19.25 | kergoth | hence, the lazy route |
| 23:20.13 | AnduinLothar | more efficient if it works imo |
| 23:20.24 | Kirov_ | It does mean, however, that the defaults don't have to sit around in memory all the time either. |
| 23:20.41 | Atog | hmm.. |
| 23:20.48 | Shadowed | Always wondered why people did it like that |
| 23:20.49 | AnduinLothar | and you also don't need to check everytime before you use one |
| 23:20.59 | Kirov_ | And a "reset" button is still possible, it just means doing a mysavedstuff = nil and then ReloadUI() |
| 23:21.06 | Kirov_ | evil, but effective |
| 23:21.32 | Atog | darn. just when I thought i was done, you guys give me all kinds of suggestions! |
| 23:21.40 | Shadowed | that seems to happen often |
| 23:21.44 | Atog | also, did anyone notice the /wawipe command? |
| 23:21.58 | Shadowed | /wawipe? |
| 23:22.00 | kergoth | defining the defaults when setting the global rather than at variable loaded time results in needless gc churn at load time. its easier, thats about the best that can be said for it |
| 23:22.04 | kergoth | foo |
| 23:22.45 | Atog | Shadowed: I bumped into it when poking around in CTRA. I'm not sure if it's the custom beta that I just downloaded |
| 23:23.04 | Atog | or if it's in the standard one, but it plays a sound file and sends a "it's a wipe, die now" message |
| 23:23.16 | Shadowed | not a standard one |
| 23:23.24 | Atog | *nod* figured as much. |
| 23:23.34 | Atog | (it's funny sound file, though, very fitting) |
| 23:23.35 | Shadowed | It's more fun listening to my guild leader swear at us to just wipe instead of a friendly message anyway |
| 23:24.16 | Atog | well, as guild leader, that kind of thing is pretty convenient :) |
| 23:24.32 | Atog | I should let it insert random swear words, too. |
| 23:24.55 | Atog | like "it was <insertrandomname>'s fault" or "that's -50 dkp!". |
| 23:25.12 | Shadowed | naw, -50 DKP is old |
| 23:25.18 | Kirov_ | "WHELPS, MANY WHELPS" |
| 23:25.42 | Shadowed | s/stabs/slaps/ |
| 23:25.52 | clad|sleep | ~mordots |
| 23:25.54 | Shadowed | Guess it doesn't work for /me |
| 23:26.12 | clad|sleep | purl, mordots is http://www.mordots.com |
| 23:26.14 | purl | okay, clad|sleep |
| 23:26.43 | Atog | well, the running joke in our raid alliance is the "let's tank him in the skeleton pit" comment, refering to my brilliant suggestion of tanking Jin'do in there. |
| 23:26.54 | Shadowed | haha |
| 23:27.03 | Shadowed | Didn't work out so well i take it? |
| 23:27.05 | kergoth | ckknight: oh, i get it now. it sets the profile to char/realm/class of the current char, then copies from the source... the docs need to be much, much more clear |
| 23:27.08 | Atog | ... |
| 23:27.21 | Atog | never before did we die so fast. |
| 23:27.56 | Kirov_ | I had a tank try to tank Hexxer there. |
| 23:28.06 | kergoth | bah, wrong chan |
| 23:28.08 | Kirov_ | after being teleported |
| 23:28.12 | Atog | oh. |
| 23:28.15 | Kirov_ | fun fun |
| 23:28.20 | Atog | well, we just offtank the skeletons these days |
| 23:28.38 | Atog | 's easier. |
| 23:28.39 | Kirov_ | bah offtank |
| 23:28.42 | Kirov_ | mage + paladin = dead skeletons |
| 23:28.56 | Shadowed | Usually we bet on how long they'll last before they die or screw it up and reset |
| 23:29.00 | Atog | bah.. tank + skeletons = "hey, this itches". |
| 23:30.37 | Atog | anyway, time for bed. |
| 23:31.01 | Atog | *off to dream about coding in a skeleton pit* |
| 23:31.07 | Atog | night, people! |
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| 23:39.14 | Codayus | hmm, tank the skeletons... |
| 23:39.19 | Codayus | that's an interesting idea. |
| 23:39.53 | Codayus | Ran across someone else who said they cured the curse and ignored the shades too. <shrug> There's some odd ways of beating that fight... |
| 23:40.50 | Kirov_ | Get enough dps, I guess you could do it that way |
| 23:42.23 | Codayus | I guess... |
| 23:42.47 | Codayus | To be honest, that fight is crazy hard. Not sure if my guild just sucks, or if our gear does, or what. |
| 23:43.08 | AnduinLothar | jindo? |
| 23:43.17 | Codayus | Ya |
| 23:43.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah, hardest guy in zg |
| 23:43.38 | Shadowed | he's just not very forgiving |
| 23:44.03 | AnduinLothar | trick is pallys in healer grps with concentration aura and then makes ure everyone who gets the curse kills at least 1 shade |
| 23:44.18 | AnduinLothar | you can't aoe them |
| 23:44.31 | Codayus | Ya. |
| 23:44.44 | AnduinLothar | and have a mage near the pit to aoe when you get dropped there |
| 23:44.49 | AnduinLothar | totems down first |
| 23:44.57 | AnduinLothar | practice makes perfect |
| 23:45.49 | Codayus | We *can* down Jin'do, but it's a struggle. Whereas we have Ragnaros on farm. Something seems a bit wrong with that, given the difference in loot between those two bosses... :-D |
| 23:46.01 | Kirov_ | meh |
| 23:46.08 | Kirov_ | not surprising really |
| 23:46.20 | Codayus | Kirov_: Hm? |
| 23:47.41 | AnduinLothar | rag takes no skill |
| 23:48.01 | AnduinLothar | domo is harder than rag |
| 23:48.33 | Codayus | Hmm, I'd call them closer to even I think. Domo is mostly in the setup, once the fight is going you've just got to not screw up... |
| 23:48.42 | Codayus | Whereas the sons transition isn't completely trivial. |
| 23:49.07 | AnduinLothar | meh. it's not that hard. only ever have to move once the whole fight |
| 23:49.31 | AnduinLothar | oh and we usually have a bear tank jindo |
| 23:50.16 | Codayus | same |
| 23:50.20 | Shadowed | Druids tanking?! |
| 23:50.36 | AnduinLothar | all the time |
| 23:50.46 | Codayus | Shadowed: For Jin'do it's the way to go. |
| 23:50.46 | AnduinLothar | on jindo itsn't cause they can't be charmed |
| 23:51.01 | Shadowed | thats half the fun |
| 23:51.11 | Codayus | Er...they can be charmed, they can't be hexed... |
| 23:51.17 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that |
| 23:51.38 | Codayus | We once were REALLY short on warriors, and unthinkingly tried a druid tank on hakkar. |
| 23:51.48 | Codayus | I'll give you two guesses how THAT worked. |
| 23:52.04 | Shadowed | not very well |
| 23:52.13 | End | jin'do doesn't charm anyways |
| 23:52.14 | Codayus | "ZOMG GIANT BEAR CHEWING ON ME GET IT OFF!!" |
| 23:52.21 | Codayus | Mind control totems... |
| 23:52.27 | Shadowed | yeah he does |
| 23:52.32 | End | oh |
| 23:52.35 | Codayus | So I ended up fearing the bear tank on Hakkar, since he couldn't be sheeped... |
| 23:52.42 | Codayus | ...aaaand the son of hakkar.... |
| 23:52.45 | End | bear form is immune to totem MC |
| 23:53.14 | Codayus | Seeing the entire raid chasing a feared son of hakkar across the platform desperatly trying to kill it before hakkar drained was kinda funny... |
| 23:53.19 | AnduinLothar | meh, we have warriors on hakkar, 2. just pally stun them when they get mc'd |
| 23:53.36 | Codayus | .... |
| 23:53.42 | Codayus | pally stuns...hm |
| 23:53.56 | AnduinLothar | lasts as long as the mc |
| 23:53.59 | Codayus | We sheep them...and then dispell when the MC wears off...hm. That could work. |
| 23:54.03 | Shadowed | tried pally stun and sheeping a few times, didn't work out that well |
| 23:54.05 | End | sheeping is nice because itheals |
| 23:54.15 | Shadowed | healers wern't actually *on the ball* and removing sheep |
| 23:54.17 | AnduinLothar | sheeping works if the pallies are on cooldown |
| 23:54.17 | Codayus | True...but then you've got to have a healer dispell. |
| 23:54.21 | Shadowed | Kept eating the healers |
| 23:54.39 | End | well, sheeping makes it eaasier on -me- ;p |
| 23:54.51 | End | I'm a druid, so the priests get to dispel that |
| 23:55.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri_work (n=andrews@124.197.16.117) |
| 23:55.05 | Codayus | I'm a priest, and very good about dispelling sheeped tanks. That helps a bit...of course, our mages are sometimes really slow about sheeping them to start with... |
| 23:55.49 | End | fortunately, the only problem we have is dotted tanks (from the crap hakkar spits) |
| 23:56.05 | End | so I'd say our people do a good job |
| 23:56.36 | Codayus | Hakkar is fairly easy if you don't bring a totally messed up class balance. |
| 23:56.41 | End | yeah |
| 23:57.23 | End | actually, our biggest problem is lag :X |
| 23:57.47 | Tem | Hakkar is fun |
| 23:57.49 | zespri_work | So clever people... tell me. Currently the talents balanced so you can't get a 31pp talent and 21pp talent at the same time, many players and many classes would like that, but this would make a talent build overpowered. I think you can make an example of this for any class. Who can make a clever guess of how this will be solved for expantion? I find it hard to beleive that now you'll be able to use both 21 and 31 point talents at the same time wi |
| 23:58.08 | End | although one night we had one or two warriors DC each attempt (we had three) |
| 23:58.29 | Shadowed | I believe they said something along the lines of they may make it impossible to get a 21 point talent if you get a 31 point talent |
| 23:58.35 | End | (I'm really glad we had three too, when we finally downed him, one still went offline for a minute) |
| 23:59.14 | End | you'd have to be level 71 to do that anyways |
| 23:59.20 | Codayus | zespri_work: Pretty sure they aren't planning on doing anything about it. You won't be able to get a 41 and a 21 so...still balanced... <shrug> |
| 23:59.24 | Shadowed | only level 61 |
| 23:59.34 | End | oh right |
| 23:59.40 | End | silly me |