| 00:03.04 | cladhaire | anyone here from the UK? |
| 00:04.05 | Iriel | FROM the UK? |
| 00:04.08 | Iriel | Or IN the UK? |
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| 00:04.55 | cladhaire | either =) |
| 00:05.00 | cladhaire | i'm considering school for my PhD |
| 00:05.12 | cladhaire | looking at Warwick and Cambridge at the moment |
| 00:05.15 | cladhaire | trying to get some other ideas |
| 00:05.36 | AnduinLothar | phd in what? |
| 00:05.42 | cladhaire | did you? |
| 00:05.53 | cladhaire | i should steal you sometime :P |
| 00:06.43 | cladhaire | vael brb |
| 00:08.41 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I'm hoping to have my disseratation on pedagogical tools in computer science education, and drawing some conclusions on their effect |
| 00:08.50 | cladhaire | Iriel: What did you think about Warwick? |
| 00:09.10 | Wobin | Cambridge is aesthetically nice |
| 00:09.25 | zinor` | Cide, table explorer? |
| 00:09.26 | Wobin | It's very much a college town |
| 00:09.38 | zinor` | ah nvm i see that addon |
| 00:09.45 | zinor` | that's a neat debug tool |
| 00:10.32 | AnduinLothar | could always come to the US for a phd.. that would increase your potential list of schools exponentially and make it even harder to choose :P |
| 00:10.48 | Wobin | zinor`: You have to be careful about the size of the table you put in though |
| 00:11.08 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I'm in teh US =) |
| 00:11.13 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: Ah, but the UK has 'prestige'! |
| 00:11.25 | AnduinLothar | then why are you lookign at UK schools? |
| 00:11.28 | zinor` | nah, the uk has brits ;) |
| 00:11.36 | Wobin | zinor`: That too, but we try to ignore that |
| 00:11.39 | zinor` | wouldnt it be very expensive to go to a uk school if you're a us resident |
| 00:11.58 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Because my boyfriend will be headed to the UK.. and in particular-- Warwick has a research group for what I want to do |
| 00:11.58 | cladhaire | http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/research/edtech/ |
| 00:12.28 | cladhaire | I'll be applying to US schools to |
| 00:12.41 | cladhaire | and deciding once I get there.. right now I'm just looking for research groups |
| 00:12.52 | cladhaire | Iriel: So any feedback you have would be greatly appreciated =) |
| 00:13.23 | AnduinLothar | meh, the profs do that at my school, they jsut call it experimental teaching rather than a real study |
| 00:13.34 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Do what? |
| 00:13.56 | AnduinLothar | different aspects of the things listed under "Topics currently being investigated include the following." |
| 00:14.07 | cladhaire | yeah, mine doesn't fit under there at all |
| 00:14.20 | cladhaire | but it helps to have a research group that has some relevance when doing a PhD |
| 00:15.10 | AnduinLothar | well when it comes to your particular study it might be most useful to visit multiple schools and see how they do it and what their results are and what results change incurs |
| 00:15.37 | AnduinLothar | experimental as oppossed to theorhetical study |
| 00:15.49 | AnduinLothar | tho it would take longer experimenting on students |
| 00:15.49 | cladhaire | .. |
| 00:15.52 | cladhaire | it woudln'wouldn't be |
| 00:15.54 | cladhaire | you're assuming a lot =) |
| 00:16.21 | AnduinLothar | you didn't give me much information, so I filled int he blanks |
| 00:16.24 | cladhaire | i dont advice on my topic yet-- I need advice on where to apply =) |
| 00:16.35 | cladhaire | well my dissertation is irrelevant at this point =) |
| 00:16.42 | AnduinLothar | depends onw here you want to be then, no? |
| 00:17.06 | cladhaire | not as much-- depends on where I can find a faculty advisor and a good program. |
| 00:17.13 | cladhaire | so i'm literally looking everywhere. |
| 00:17.38 | AnduinLothar | what'd you do graduate work in? |
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| 00:18.25 | cladhaire | I have my masters in comp sci |
| 00:18.39 | AnduinLothar | no connections from that? |
| 00:18.46 | cladhaire | I dont want three degrees from teh same school |
| 00:18.54 | cladhaire | and one connection puts me at CMU.. which is a 6 year program |
| 00:19.14 | zinor` | wouldnt that put you at like 10 years of school? |
| 00:19.35 | zinor` | i dont think I could do that :x |
| 00:19.54 | cladhaire | PhD programs in the UK are typically three years |
| 00:20.05 | cladhaire | zinor`: I've done 18 years of school already |
| 00:20.06 | cladhaire | whats another 3 |
| 00:20.12 | zinor` | :o |
| 00:20.13 | zinor` | wow |
| 00:20.18 | zinor` | why so much |
| 00:20.40 | cladhaire | 12 years of grade school, 4 BSc, 2 MSc |
| 00:21.11 | AnduinLothar | preeschool and kindergarden? |
| 00:21.33 | AnduinLothar | fingerpainting was important |
| 00:22.43 | Mikk | Hello folks |
| 00:24.03 | zinor` | Anyone who has forums, have you guys all heard about Vanilla? Seems really nice |
| 00:24.08 | zinor` | http://lussumo.com/ <-- |
| 00:24.19 | zinor` | best looking forum software ive seen |
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| 00:33.50 | Mikk1 | Wobin: No, I didn't write MSBT |
| 00:34.09 | Wobin | aye, someone informed me =) |
| 00:34.19 | Mikk1 | Tem: I'm here =) |
| 00:34.24 | Wobin | Mikk did =) |
| 00:35.44 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:35.52 | Wobin | just waaaaiting for the timeout |
| 00:35.56 | Mikk1 | oya =) |
| 00:36.03 | Mikk1 | 3 days 18 hrs even =) |
| 00:37.17 | Wobin | What's the limit? |
| 00:37.37 | Mikk1 | 60 days |
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| 00:40.06 | Wobin | ~60/7 |
| 00:40.07 | purl | 8.571428571429 |
| 00:40.17 | Wobin | Heya Mik =) |
| 00:40.42 | Mikord | Hey |
| 00:41.10 | Mikord | so kergoth let me know my code is not very optimized :) I was hoping to get some pointers |
| 00:41.15 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:41.21 | Wobin | I suggest you have a look at Compost |
| 00:41.29 | Wobin | since you're churning through a lot of tables |
| 00:41.36 | kergoth | hehe. hey Mikord |
| 00:42.01 | Mikord | compost available on curse? |
| 00:42.07 | Mikord | hey kergoth |
| 00:43.37 | kergoth | not sure if its on curse. check wowinterface.com. |
| 00:44.07 | kergoth | its just a convenient tool for recycling your tables. keeps 2 levels of pools of them, one of a fixed size, one which is a weak table (clears on each gc cycle) |
| 00:44.11 | Wobin | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Compost_Embedded_Library |
| 00:44.20 | kergoth | good call wobin, i always forget about the wiki :) |
| 00:45.01 | Mikord | Thanks. I'll check it out. You guys developers at bliz or just mod writers? |
| 00:45.25 | AnduinLothar | mostly just mod writters |
| 00:45.43 | Iriel | except for slouken, but he's only here rarely |
| 00:46.03 | Mikord | ah yeah I've seen slouken on the forums quite a bit |
| 00:48.05 | Mikord | I was thinking about making one large table to hold the events and then just using it like a rotating queue to avoid all of the table creation. Would that or the compost method be better? |
| 00:50.41 | kergoth | compost is most useful when you want your recycled tables to be available to other addons which use it. |
| 00:51.17 | Mikk1 | If you have fields that stays the same in your table, it's better to just keep your own queue i think |
| 00:51.40 | Mikk1 | (And simply not nil stuff out) |
| 00:51.47 | kergoth | yeah. compost makes most sense when you want to release your tables on occasion. in your case, you're just going to end up using them again a moment later, so its hardly worthwhile |
| 00:53.03 | Wobin | table.insert and table.remove make for easy queuing |
| 00:55.07 | Mikord | Hmmm. Ok let me make sure I'm following |
| 00:58.17 | Wobin | Er. Actually, don't mind my advice |
| 00:58.22 | Wobin | since that would be creating tables =) |
| 00:58.54 | Wobin | If you have your own table with your own pointer to where you're reading from, that'll work |
| 00:59.07 | Wobin | s/pointer/index/ |
| 00:59.09 | Mikord | so I declare a table like EventsArray = {}; Then add enough subtables to it hold the events. |
| 00:59.51 | Wobin | aye |
| 00:59.52 | Mikord | Once inside the function I can just EventsArray[nextElement].field = data; |
| 01:00.10 | Mikord | and if (nextElement > maxElements) then nextElement = 1 end |
| 01:00.15 | Wobin | yep |
| 01:00.42 | Wobin | Although I assume you'll be writing to and reading from constantly? |
| 01:00.56 | Wobin | (I'm not sure precisely how you do your execution =)) |
| 01:01.12 | Mikord | yeah that's what I'm worried about. Basically I get combat events and create a table with the data |
| 01:01.14 | Wobin | So you'd have to be careful not to overtake your reading |
| 01:01.22 | AnduinLothar | anyone wanna help me test a few addons on draka? |
| 01:01.25 | Mikord | like the affectd unit name, amount, spell name, etc |
| 01:01.26 | Wobin | and end up outputting 'old' data |
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| 01:01.39 | Mikk1 | If I have a variable number of records in my tables, I usually use three indices: read, write and cachewrite. I just let them keep expanding infinitely. It'll survive 7000 events/second over a whole week. |
| 01:02.03 | Mikk1 | When I'm finished reading something, I put it at the cachewrite position |
| 01:02.34 | Wobin | you put the cachewrite position at the finished reading point, you mean? |
| 01:02.34 | Mikk1 | When writing new data, and there's already a table at the write index, I use that. Otherwise just create new. |
| 01:02.38 | Mikk1 | No |
| 01:02.47 | Mikk1 | Take the table at the read point and put it at the cachewrite point |
| 01:02.54 | Wobin | ah |
| 01:02.58 | Wobin | ....ish |
| 01:03.01 | Mikk1 | I.e. read: 101, write: 123, cachewrite:167 |
| 01:03.14 | Wobin | oh. next |
| 01:03.16 | Wobin | () |
| 01:03.20 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: I'll hop on in a sec |
| 01:03.27 | MentalPower | anithing I should DL? |
| 01:03.31 | MentalPower | anything* |
| 01:03.32 | Mikk1 | next? o.O I just increment the indices |
| 01:03.43 | AnduinLothar | i'll send you a package |
| 01:03.55 | Wobin | Mikk1: that's where I was getting confused =) |
| 01:04.13 | Wobin | I read the 'indicies' as numerical indexes? |
| 01:04.16 | Mikk1 | yea |
| 01:04.20 | Mikk1 | they are |
| 01:04.23 | Mikk1 | that just keep expanding |
| 01:04.48 | Mikk1 | There's no time for them to hit dangerous levels in a week's time |
| 01:05.01 | Wobin | wouldn't that just create a huuuuge table? |
| 01:05.07 | Mikk1 | No |
| 01:05.19 | Wobin | ah lua, how wacky you are |
| 01:05.47 | Mikk1 | When I've read 101 above, I just do mytable[cachewrite]=mytable[read]; mytable[read]=nil; read=read+1; |
| 01:05.57 | Mikk1 | oh and cachewrite=cachewrite+1 |
| 01:06.15 | Mikk1 | Associative tables ftw! |
| 01:06.21 | Wobin | ah lua, how wacky you are |
| 01:06.56 | Mikk1 | Lately, I've come to the conclusion that Lua rocks |
| 01:07.03 | Wobin | indeed |
| 01:07.25 | Mikk1 | I can't think of any other language that let's me do "multitasking" with "virtual memory" inside the script itself |
| 01:07.39 | Mikk1 | let's=lets |
| 01:07.42 | Wobin | Cause that would actually have a table that only has the number of 'unread' events |
| 01:07.45 | Mikord | aye I like it I just don't know much about how the GC and namespacing works so my code is rather inefficient |
| 01:08.01 | Mikk1 | Wobin: yup |
| 01:08.05 | Wobin | Well the namespacing suggestion was just to tidy the global namespace up |
| 01:08.36 | Mikord | when I write the function like that do I do function MikSBT.PrintUsage() or MikSBT.PrintUsage = function() or? |
| 01:08.43 | Wobin | To use MSBT.MyTable and MSBT.MyTable2 rather than MSBT_MyTable and MS... |
| 01:08.44 | kergoth | yep, not an efficiency issue there, just cleanliness |
| 01:08.49 | Wobin | I keep forgetting the damn acronym |
| 01:08.55 | Wobin | =P |
| 01:08.58 | Mikord | heh |
| 01:09.04 | Wobin | CT? |
| 01:09.16 | Mikord | BT battle text |
| 01:09.25 | Wobin | Aha =) |
| 01:09.48 | Wobin | Anyway. That way the global namespace only has MSBT in it |
| 01:10.03 | Wobin | but you can still access your objects logically |
| 01:10.05 | Mikord | right. That makes sense, but how about the functions? |
| 01:10.10 | Wobin | Same thing |
| 01:10.21 | Wobin | MSBT.MyFunction() |
| 01:10.26 | Mikord | so function MSBT.funcname() |
| 01:10.26 | Wobin | er |
| 01:10.40 | Wobin | function MSBT:MyFunction() |
| 01:10.47 | Mikord | ok so with the : |
| 01:10.55 | Mikord | kinda like C++ classes then :) |
| 01:10.56 | Wobin | Which is MSBT.MyFunction(self) |
| 01:11.04 | Wobin | aye |
| 01:11.10 | Wobin | the : is just syntactical sugar |
| 01:11.38 | Mikord | cool well that part is easy enough |
| 01:11.47 | Mikord | just a few search and replaces |
| 01:11.51 | Wobin | yep =) |
| 01:12.30 | Mikord | if you nil a table out does it clear the memory immediately or wait for the next GC cycle? |
| 01:12.44 | kergoth | the latter |
| 01:12.46 | Wobin | next cycle methinks |
| 01:12.53 | kergoth | assuming no other references to it exist |
| 01:13.08 | Mikord | right |
| 01:13.16 | Wobin | (or if it's a weak table) |
| 01:13.33 | Mikord | what's a weak table? Sorry my lua isn't too great heh |
| 01:13.46 | Wobin | lemme grab the link =) |
| 01:14.17 | Wobin | pil can explain it so much better than I can =P |
| 01:14.27 | Mikord | great stuff |
| 01:15.49 | Mikord | It's kinda odd that the german users are reporting some odd errors like spell crits not being treated as crits too. I don't have a german client to test it out so I can't imagine why it isn't working. I looked at the globalstrings.lua from a german client and it apperas it should be working. |
| 01:15.50 | Wobin | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 01:15.51 | Wobin | =) |
| 01:16.17 | Wobin | Mikord: Maybe a grammar thing? |
| 01:16.27 | Wobin | ie the words aren't coming in the order you expect or something? |
| 01:16.59 | Wobin | I've never played with globalstrings.lua though |
| 01:17.12 | Mikord | aye I'm using blizzard's %1$d stuff and reording them so it actually comes up with all the right names and everything. It's odd |
| 01:17.19 | Wobin | http://www.lua.org/pil/17.html |
| 01:17.22 | Mikord | well when blizzard localizes it |
| 01:17.49 | Wobin | although that's probably not overly relevant to your current requirements =) |
| 01:17.56 | Mikord | they make it say like You hit playerx for 173 damage. the global string is like You hit %s for %d damage. But on non english clients |
| 01:18.34 | Mikord | it says Damage %2$d done to %1$s. |
| 01:18.59 | Mikord | in the other language of course. So I parse the argument order and rearrange accordingly. I know it's working right of the name of the spell wouldn't be correct |
| 01:19.34 | Mikord | aye I'm looking at the weak tables stuff now |
| 01:19.59 | Mikk1 | Have you tried just modifying the global string table according to what the german one is and feeding combat events into your event handler? |
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| 01:21.46 | Mikord | yeah I grabbed the german globalstrings.lua and took one of them and called it MYGLOBAL_WHATEVER="Germana global string here" and then passed the MYGLOBAL_WHATEVER to my event handler. It works as expected |
| 01:22.15 | [Wobin] | gah, sorry, got disconnected after your first line about globalstrings |
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| 01:22.35 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 01:22.37 | Mikord | I don't know if it happens to everyone though as only one person has said anything. |
| 01:22.57 | [Wobin] | Is it just not showing up? |
| 01:23.01 | [Wobin] | Evening Esamynn |
| 01:23.23 | Mikord | Yeah it shows up, with the correct text and everything, it's just it doesn't see it as a critical hit |
| 01:23.42 | [Wobin] | ah, maybe people are just not noticing? |
| 01:24.02 | [Wobin] | in that they've never seen a crit sticky, so they don't expect it |
| 01:24.12 | Shadowed | So 1.11.2 test server is finally up |
| 01:24.25 | Mikord | my parser code says something like if string matches CRITSPELLGLOABLSTRING then it sets the flags appropriately. It even works when I feed the german global string into my event handler. I'm thinking maybe it's just on that one guy's interface |
| 01:24.26 | [Wobin] | What sort of fixes have we got up, Shadowed ? |
| 01:24.41 | Shadowed | Wobin: Nothing that major, checking if the sound issue was fixed though |
| 01:24.51 | [Wobin] | hehe |
| 01:25.01 | Mikord | well he said melee crits should up stickied as intended, but not the spell. It's all the same code though lol |
| 01:25.08 | Shadowed | The pre-made characters from the 1.11.0 PTR are still on it though |
| 01:25.11 | Mikord | so I'm like hmmmm |
| 01:25.12 | [Wobin] | I was just thinking for PaintBall, I could have it make a 'Spluctch' sound when it targetted |
| 01:25.37 | [Wobin] | Mik, see if you can get him to screenshot the unstickied crit |
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| 01:27.21 | Shadowed | Well, PlayMusic works again, so i'm guessing that means PlaySoundFile also does |
| 01:27.33 | [Wobin] | Shadowed: woot |
| 01:27.41 | [Wobin] | Now I need a paintball sound effect =P |
| 01:27.55 | Mikord | good idea wobin. |
| 01:29.38 | Shadowed | Yeah, PlayerSoundFile works too. yay! |
| 01:52.27 | Mikord | well thanks a lot for the info wobin/kergoth/Mikk/etc I'm gonna go try to get some optimization done :) |
| 01:52.36 | Wobin | No problems =) |
| 01:53.03 | mikk1 | welcome =) |
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| 01:55.38 | MentalPower | test |
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| 01:56.32 | mikk1 | Tem: I r here |
| 01:57.22 | Tem | You might want to add an option for your SCT thing to toggle off your disabling of combat text |
| 01:57.47 | mikk1 | Oooo the night elph on wow-europe.com looks a lot better now |
| 01:57.53 | mikk1 | Tem: That'd be Mikord, not me |
| 01:57.59 | mikk1 | And he left 3 minutes ago |
| 01:57.59 | Tem | d'oh |
| 01:58.02 | Tem | DOH |
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| 02:42.13 | Kaelten | Cide: you around? |
| 02:51.18 | Cide | yup |
| 02:52.03 | Kaelten | I was wondering if there is any reason why CT_MasterMod still hooks PurchaseSlot? |
| 02:52.30 | Cide | not really, it's something I forgot to remove, it seems |
| 02:52.57 | Kaelten | ya I was just wondering, alot of bag/bank mods have issues with buying bags because of it. |
| 02:54.46 | Cide | I'll remove it, thanks |
| 02:54.56 | Kaelten | np, thank you as well. |
| 02:55.13 | Kaelten | anyone happen to know if an event fires when you change out your bank bags? |
| 02:55.41 | Mikord | what's up tem? |
| 02:57.37 | Mikord | Awesome work on CTmod cide. I love the heck out of it. Didn't realize you were the guy |
| 02:57.54 | Cide | heh, glad you like it :) |
| 02:57.59 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): gonna update CTRA on wowi? |
| 02:58.22 | Cide | I wasn't aware there was a record of it there, in the first place |
| 02:58.36 | Cide | oh |
| 02:58.37 | Cide | wowi |
| 02:58.41 | Cide | for some reason I read wowwiki |
| 02:58.57 | Wobin | Kaelten: UPDATE_PLAYER_BANKSLOT or something? |
| 02:59.14 | Cide | updated, thanks |
| 02:59.52 | Cide | Kaelten: updated CT_MasterMod on ctmod.net |
| 02:59.54 | JoshBorke | just trying to help you out :-) |
| 03:00.01 | Mikord | I figured lua out from example, but being here with you guys shows me how much I don't know about it :) I can see how inefficient my mod is in comparison |
| 03:00.24 | Tain | That's why we're all here, Mikord. To learn from each other. :) |
| 03:00.48 | JoshBorke | except me, i'm just here to make everyone else look good |
| 03:01.09 | Mikord | As long as it works haha |
| 03:01.09 | Tain | Oh and the cake, of course. We come for the cake. |
| 03:01.19 | JoshBorke | cake? what cake? |
| 03:01.30 | Wobin | mmm |
| 03:01.31 | Wobin | cake |
| 03:01.31 | Tain | Uh oh I don't think I was supposed to mention that. |
| 03:02.43 | JoshBorke | reinstalling windows ftl =/ |
| 03:03.13 | zespri_work | is there anybody who has expirience porting and applicatoin from big endian to little endian or vice versa? |
| 03:03.13 | Wobin | JB: =( |
| 03:03.22 | JoshBorke | aparently 2GB isn't big enough for XP =/ |
| 03:03.40 | JoshBorke | yay for free vmware |
| 03:03.43 | AnduinLothar | not surprising |
| 03:03.50 | AnduinLothar | it's the FULL version |
| 03:05.26 | Mikord | Cide does your guild play on the test server a lot cause I notice you normally have the latest timers and such before the servers are even live :) |
| 03:05.43 | Cide | for boss mods? sometimes |
| 03:05.47 | Mikord | yeah |
| 03:05.54 | Cide | we also get a lot of submissions if we don't |
| 03:06.05 | Mikord | ahh that helps |
| 03:07.41 | Tem | Mikord, You might want to add an option for your SCT thing to toggle off your disabling of combat text |
| 03:08.44 | Mikord | Aye tem |
| 03:08.51 | Mikord | gonna do that in the next rev |
| 03:08.57 | Tem | I just found the line and commented it out |
| 03:09.00 | Mikord | While I'm here |
| 03:09.07 | Mikord | question for you guys |
| 03:09.47 | Mikord | if there any way to have the game damage off except for AoE damage save hooking the actual spell casts and checking against a DB of AoE spells |
| 03:09.49 | Mikord | ? |
| 03:09.51 | Mikord | is* |
| 03:10.08 | Tem | not that I know of |
| 03:10.30 | Wobin | There's no event that covers aoe damage? |
| 03:10.38 | Wobin | not specifically, I'd imagine? |
| 03:10.42 | Mikord | nope |
| 03:10.50 | Mikord | it shows up as a whole bunch of dmg events in a row |
| 03:11.09 | Mikord | which I just check the event type and name of spell for a match and merge them up into one event |
| 03:11.22 | Mikord | tallied of cours |
| 03:11.25 | Mikord | course |
| 03:11.53 | Wobin | hey I noticed that =) and I like that function |
| 03:12.02 | Wobin | with my rogue doublehits =P |
| 03:12.09 | Mikord | yep |
| 03:12.21 | Mikord | I thought it looked better than spamming the heck out of the playing field |
| 03:12.47 | Tain | I would like to take this opportunity to say that Blade Flurry is one of my favoritest abilities. |
| 03:12.59 | Mikord | it was funny when I was writing it I used to queue all the events up and display them out of the queue instead of bumping the events down when there were too many and in ZG on my mage |
| 03:13.00 | Wobin | Tain: Agreed |
| 03:13.07 | Wobin | BF+SnD+AR |
| 03:13.10 | JoshBorke | i'd like to take this opportunity to say: nerf rogues =P |
| 03:13.23 | Tain | No way, Rogues are getting reviewed and updated! |
| 03:13.25 | Mikord | we were fighting the bat lady and I had stuff scrolling for like 30 seconds after the fight from all the AoE damage haha |
| 03:13.33 | Tain | Morning Cairenn :) |
| 03:13.34 | Wobin | BF+Hemo+SnD = |
| 03:13.36 | zespri_work | Rogues are one of the weakest class in the game already along with mages |
| 03:13.36 | Wobin | ) |
| 03:13.56 | Mikord | so that's when I decided AoE merging and event bumping were going in |
| 03:13.59 | Tain | I have a 60 Rogue, and a 60 Mage in fact! |
| 03:14.03 | Wobin | Mikord: hehe |
| 03:14.19 | Wobin | Tain: That obviously makes you weak =) |
| 03:14.45 | Tain | Actually I gave up on my mage about a year ago. |
| 03:14.45 | Mikord | Mages are fun, but man they didn't get much love in the patch for PvP |
| 03:14.53 | zespri_work | Well, I'm not sure where it's going. Blizzard was handing out DPS left and right |
| 03:14.55 | Mikord | of course if you have all NW or equiv gear and AP yada yada BOOM HEADSHOT :p |
| 03:15.05 | zespri_work | So all classes is not worse DPS-wise |
| 03:15.06 | Tain | And I've played every other class except Warlock and Priest up a bit, and I just decided I enjoy playing Rogue the most. |
| 03:15.23 | Wobin | I enjoyed priest, while I was shadow |
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| 03:15.27 | Wobin | Cause that was uber |
| 03:15.35 | Wobin | and facemelty |
| 03:15.54 | Tain | See I couldn't in good concience play a Shadow Priest with a raiding guild. |
| 03:16.09 | Wobin | oh I respecced Disc/Holy for raiding |
| 03:16.23 | Wobin | But I still look in on shadowpriests with envy sometimes |
| 03:16.24 | Cairenn | hi again |
| 03:16.32 | Wobin | re: Cairenn |
| 03:16.44 | zespri_work | hello Cairenn |
| 03:16.45 | Cide | oh, Mikord... are you Gr(e|a)yhoof from Alleria? |
| 03:16.53 | Mikord | nope |
| 03:17.09 | Cide | oh, I misunderstood something then |
| 03:17.17 | Mikord | I just wrote MikScrollingBattleText to expand upon SCT |
| 03:17.17 | chuckg | I just had the greatest idea for a mod ever. |
| 03:17.18 | chuckg | Ready? |
| 03:17.20 | Cide | ah |
| 03:17.28 | Cide | that explains it :) |
| 03:17.29 | Mikord | though I rewrote it from the ground up |
| 03:17.30 | chuckg | Will start tracking player deaths during combat. |
| 03:17.40 | chuckg | That way, you can point fingers in raids at ppl who f'ed up. |
| 03:17.53 | chuckg | Then average the death rate. |
| 03:17.54 | chuckg | =D |
| 03:17.56 | JoshBorke | better yet, count who is doing the rez'ing so we can point fingers at the people slacking off |
| 03:17.57 | Mikord | it lets you configure each and every event's font, outline, size, etc |
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| 03:19.08 | Mikord | also does incoming and outgoing damage (notifications too) all in one mod |
| 03:20.29 | Mikord | CT_DeathTracker :P |
| 03:20.40 | Mikord | you're welcome cide |
| 03:20.48 | Cide | thanks! |
| 03:21.10 | Mikord | man I don't know how you find the time to write all of that |
| 03:21.19 | Mikord | I have my hands full with one |
| 03:21.30 | Cide | oh, I've spent almost 2 years on it :P |
| 03:22.22 | Mikord | why oh why is there no varname++ in lua :\ |
| 03:22.54 | Cide | because varname = varname + 1 is so much more elegant! |
| 03:23.18 | Mikord | but of course |
| 03:23.33 | Mikord | until you have something like table[table[table[table[table]]]]] |
| 03:23.44 | Cide | but yeah, I miss it too |
| 03:23.45 | Mikord | :P |
| 03:23.52 | Cide | and ++varname |
| 03:24.02 | Mikord | yep preincrement |
| 03:24.08 | Mikord | great for the for loops |
| 03:28.46 | Mikord | well I'm off for the night |
| 03:28.49 | Mikord | take care all |
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| 04:11.11 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
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| 04:13.29 | Iriel | How's the frozen tundra this time of year? |
| 04:13.36 | Cairenn | unfrozen |
| 04:13.56 | Cairenn | one might even go so far as to say thawed |
| 04:14.14 | Iriel | Do the penguins and polar bears migrate? |
| 04:14.25 | Cairenn | *grin* |
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| 04:25.17 | zespri_work | Iriel, if you find out, let me know =) |
| 04:25.27 | Iriel | I've looked and looked |
| 04:25.54 | Iriel | Perhaps there's a registry setting something, maybe I should look for the 'Yes I know goddamn it I only have one AGP slot' key |
| 04:26.15 | zespri_work | i have only one graphic card and only ine pci slot, so this message is absolutely meaningless to me |
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| 04:53.33 | Esamynn | dang, we were unable to repeat our Chromaggus performance from last week, oh well, last week was still fun! :D |
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| 04:54.33 | Esamynn | Last week, we took Chromaggus down in 4 minutes 30 seconds. |
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| 04:58.10 | Esamynn | poor MentalPower :( |
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| 05:06.17 | Iriel | Hey Mikk, you dont have an XBox 360 do you? |
| 05:06.23 | mikk1 | Nope |
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| 05:10.34 | Esamynn | ~lart mikk1 |
| 05:10.50 | mikk1 | ~botslap |
| 05:10.57 | purl | Hey what was that for, mikk1? |
| 05:11.02 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 05:11.02 | purl | :), Esamynn |
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| 05:11.41 | Esamynn | so, you going to stay this time Mental? |
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| 05:22.04 | MentalPower | Esamynn, Cairenn: I can't give any guarantees |
| 05:24.07 | Cairenn | so we've noticed =/ |
| 05:26.56 | MentalPower | anyone here good with SQL queries? |
| 05:28.14 | mikk1 | I've managed more than one full page printed in the past |
| 05:28.21 | mikk1 | Dunno if that qualifies as good tho |
| 05:28.50 | mikk1 | (that being an SQL query covering moer than a page) |
| 05:29.07 | mikk1 | Be warned that I generally think that SQL is shit =) |
| 05:29.24 | Esamynn | Mental, I'm decent at them, but i'm likely quite rusty |
| 05:29.44 | MentalPower | well, I need a query modified |
| 05:29.50 | MentalPower | lemme pastebin it somehwre |
| 05:30.33 | Esamynn | !!!! |
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| 05:33.13 | Esamynn | I found I was pretty decent at them when I was using them a couple years ago, but I haven't really touched SQL since then |
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| 05:33.50 | MentalPower | this... will be difficult |
| 05:33.57 | MentalPower | to say the least |
| 05:34.15 | mikk1 | I'd hate to be MentalPower tonight |
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| 05:34.32 | Cairenn | yeah, really =/ |
| 05:34.43 | mikk1 | MentalPower: Is your connection crap in general or just IRC problems? |
| 05:35.01 | mikk1 | That cannot be crap connection |
| 05:35.04 | mikk1 | He's disconnecting too fast |
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| 05:35.18 | MentalPower | I've already tried changing modems (cable) |
| 05:35.41 | mikk1 | You wouldn't happen to be using "firewall" functionality in those modems would you? |
| 05:36.19 | mikk1 | There's an exploit going where script kiddies reset your IRC connections |
| 05:36.25 | MentalPower | you refering to the DCC and startkeylogger exploit? |
| 05:36.32 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 05:36.37 | mikk1 | HOW THE HELL CAN HE DISCONNECT THAT FAST?! |
| 05:36.41 | mikk1 | Say something -> discon |
| 05:37.28 | Esamynn | Do I remember seeing somewhere that reloadui now reads changes to TOC headers? |
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| 05:37.42 | mikk1 | MentalPower: Try another server port |
| 05:37.58 | MentalPower | its not just my IRC thats suffering |
| 05:38.27 | mikk1 | everything? |
| 05:38.49 | MentalPower | yep |
| 05:38.57 | mikk1 | Because you're getting forcibly kicked off at this end |
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| 05:42.28 | mikk1 | lol? |
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| 05:42.57 | mikk1 | Something at your end is generating TCP RSTs to the server. Or ICMP Unreachables. Something. It's not timeouts serverside. ... Though I suppose it could be the headend generating unreachables back when your connection drops also... But that seems a bit unlikely with cable. Had it been DSL... |
| 05:43.04 | mikk1 | Had it pre-written. Didn't help. |
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| 05:45.14 | mikk1 | Something at your end is generating TCP RSTs to the server. Or ICMP Unreachables. Something. It's not timeouts serverside. ... Though I suppose it could be the headend generating unreachables back when your connection drops also... But that seems a bit unlikely with cable. Had it been DSL... ... You might want to check with neihbors. It could be something |
| 05:45.20 | mikk1 | in the provider's network |
| 05:45.23 | mikk1 | fook |
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| 05:47.56 | Cairenn | gawd, he must be ready to scream by now |
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| 05:49.57 | Shadowed | I was thinking more like throw his key board across the room |
| 05:50.04 | Cairenn | that too |
| 05:53.36 | mikk1 | If his neighbors are anything to go by, his cable network is shit |
| 05:53.45 | mikk1 | I can "flood" 2 pings |
| 05:53.51 | Esamynn | for sanity's sake |
| 05:53.55 | mikk1 | Try 3 and the 3rd one is lost 100% |
| 05:53.56 | Cairenn | I think he has |
| 05:54.07 | Cairenn | it's been a few minutes now |
| 05:54.20 | mikk1 | Typical. Cable is always shit in my experience |
| 05:54.29 | Cairenn | I'm using cable ... |
| 05:54.33 | mikk1 | Works well up to a point, but when that point breaks, all shit breaks lose |
| 05:55.07 | mikk1 | If you find a provider that knows how to partition his networks early, it works... but that's expensive, so most don't. |
| 05:55.39 | mikk1 | Errr ok why is the TTL _fluctuating_ when I'm pinging hosts in that network?! |
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| 05:56.48 | Cairenn | well, I've been using cable for as long as I've been living up here and have had basically no complaints |
| 05:56.56 | mikk1 | grats then =) |
| 05:57.24 | KaeltenAway | gnight guys |
| 05:57.29 | Cairenn | night KaeltenAway |
| 05:57.31 | mikk1 | gnite! |
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| 05:59.59 | mikk1 | MentalPower: It's your cable network. I've been probing your neighbors. It's misbehaving badly. |
| 06:00.23 | Cairenn | he may have gotten that one |
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| 06:01.04 | mikk1 | MentalPower: It's your cable network. I've been probing your neighbors. It's misbehaving badly. |
| 06:01.09 | mikk1 | That one worked i think |
| 06:01.31 | Cairenn | hey, that was a quit message, not a connection reset |
| 06:01.36 | Cairenn | that last time |
| 06:01.40 | mikk1 | aye =) |
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| 06:01.59 | MentalPower | thanks mikk1 |
| 06:03.02 | Shadowed | He lasted one more second before being disconnected that time though |
| 06:03.04 | Shadowed | it's progress |
| 06:03.17 | mikk1 | This is going to keep going til his neighbors go to bed |
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| 06:03.42 | Shadowed | Can his network just not support it, or are the neighbors doing stuff they shouldn't? |
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| 06:03.59 | mikk1 | Could be either |
| 06:04.02 | mikk1 | Smells like it's overloading |
| 06:04.15 | MentalPower | mikk1: PM |
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| 06:08.46 | Cairenn | *hugs Mental* |
| 06:08.53 | MentalPower | thanks Cairenn |
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| 06:09.44 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 06:09.48 | s|loup | hi |
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| 06:12.51 | MentalPower | gnight folks, I've given-up, 2am and all |
| 06:13.03 | Cairenn | sweet dreams MentalPower |
| 06:13.16 | MentalPower | I'll try cair :) |
| 06:13.26 | s|loup | n8 |
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| 06:17.08 | mikk1 | erhm... and now he stays in the channel |
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| 06:17.12 | mikk1 | oh there we go |
| 06:17.34 | Kirov | Iriel - I know someone who works at NVidia, I'll try to remember to ask him tomorrow |
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| 06:19.14 | Iriel | thanks, it's the only irritating feature of their latest drivers |
| 06:20.05 | Kirov | Well, my computer believes I'm running in clone mode with 2 monitors |
| 06:20.13 | Kirov | ... except I only have one monitor |
| 06:21.10 | mikk1 | Clone output being the TV-out then? |
| 06:21.42 | Kirov | so ... Iriel, are you done with your svelte new universal comm embeded lib addon? |
| 06:21.51 | Kirov | mikk - never been hooked up to a tv |
| 06:22.01 | Kirov | never beek hooked up to two monitors ever |
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| 06:22.24 | Kirov | I thought about writing it. |
| 06:23.04 | Kirov | Really not that terribly difficult a mod. |
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| 06:23.14 | Iriel | I suspect some of the devils will be in the details |
| 06:23.19 | Iriel | but it doesn't seem super hard |
| 06:23.22 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 06:23.43 | Kirov | dealing with channel joining / leaving by itself is enough to make people not want to use it. |
| 06:24.30 | Kirov | Sky got to it's obsurd bloated state because of blizzard's craptastic channel support |
| 06:25.01 | Elkano | Iriel, you're writing a comm lib? |
| 06:25.03 | Kirov | I'm guessing early versions of sky were fairly basic, then they just grew and grew. |
| 06:25.06 | Kirov | Elkano - no |
| 06:25.16 | Kirov | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=406803&P=1 |
| 06:25.41 | Esamynn | yes, it's not difficult, but if you want it to handle, raid/party/guild specific channels, then I'm not sure how you deal with the eventuallity of the auto-generated channel name being unavailable for some reason |
| 06:25.42 | Iriel | Elkano : No, just trying to get others to. |
| 06:26.11 | Iriel | Esamynn : The worst case is that it's available to some, but not all, of the members |
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| 06:27.01 | Esamynn | yes, and you could end up with some users in the main and some in an alternate, I've been mulling over that problem because I don't see much point in going ahead until I can solve it |
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| 06:27.48 | Esamynn | Cair: don't you start now! |
| 06:27.58 | Cairenn | heh, teach me to open my mouth |
| 06:28.09 | Cairenn | you'd think I'd know better than to tempt fate like that |
| 06:29.39 | Esamynn | so, who would believe me if I said it was possible to down Chromaggus in 4 minutes 30 seconds? |
| 06:30.09 | mikk1 | Depends on if you say that he used time lapse or not =P |
| 06:30.18 | Esamynn | no, no time lapse |
| 06:30.35 | mikk1 | Ok, I believe you ;) |
| 06:30.36 | mikk1 | Nice work though =) |
| 06:30.42 | Esamynn | heh, that was last week |
| 06:30.48 | Esamynn | the fire mages to SOOO damn lucky |
| 06:31.05 | Esamynn | one of them saw a 20k, yes 20,000 tick Ignite |
| 06:31.14 | mikk1 | O.O |
| 06:31.18 | Elkano | Iriel, I had been thinking about that, too, but got not much feedback :( -> http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5010 |
| 06:31.57 | Esamynn | he was going down at the rate of about 1% a second at times during that fight |
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| 06:34.59 | Shadowed | Esamynn: If you had the spell DPS and you got lucky on the magic he's weak to I could see that pretty easly |
| 06:35.19 | Shadowed | s/spell/magic/ |
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| 06:38.23 | Esamynn | yah, it was the fire mages ;) |
| 06:38.55 | Esamynn | none of us had ever seen anything close to it before though :D |
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| 06:45.30 | Shadowed | heh, the average wait time of realm transfers has gone up by a day every 2-3 hours |
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| 06:45.57 | Cairenn | or so they tell you |
| 06:46.06 | Cairenn | my folks transferred a character today |
| 06:46.16 | Shadowed | If it's on the internet it must be true, don't you know that? |
| 06:46.52 | Cairenn | they started the process this morning, got the email asking them to go through the confirmation steps this evening, and within *minutes* of hitting accept, the transfer was complete |
| 06:47.14 | Shadowed | What are the confirmation steps? |
| 06:47.24 | Cairenn | literally, the time it took for my mom to write down the confirmation number, the transfer was finished |
| 06:47.39 | Cairenn | just going in and verifying and final agreement |
| 06:47.46 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 06:47.55 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 06:47.57 | Shadowed | Did they ever post when they'll have the version that doesn't require the secret answer? |
| 06:53.31 | Elkano | there is no way to obtain a unique party/raid id, is there? |
| 06:53.42 | Kirov | no |
| 06:54.10 | Kirov | You can use the leader's name, but that's about it. |
| 06:56.00 | Elkano | leaders could change so everyone would have to switch channels :/ |
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| 06:57.54 | Esamynn | but thats not the problem Elkano |
| 06:58.12 | Esamynn | the problem is running into a generated channel name that isn't usable for whatever reason |
| 07:01.10 | Shadowed | Yeah, not sure how you'd get around something like that |
| 07:03.25 | Shadowed | Couldn't you just append something though? like how CT does "CT<Guild>" |
| 07:08.41 | Kirov | Esamynn - what are the reasons for a channel not being usable? |
| 07:08.47 | Kirov | it's too long? |
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| 07:08.54 | Kirov | it's password protected? |
| 07:08.58 | Esamynn | moderated in some fashion |
| 07:09.00 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 07:09.07 | Esamynn | all sorts of posibilities |
| 07:09.27 | Kirov | well, then apend a number to the end of the channel name |
| 07:09.56 | Kirov | if someone in the party / raid is in the channel, the mod should know it's protected and join the new one |
| 07:10.08 | Esamynn | but then, how to people who come in later find the correct channel, if the channel then becomes available later |
| 07:10.27 | Shadowed | Append the length of the character name? Wouldn't require broadcasting some special number |
| 07:11.52 | Esamynn | yes, you can goto an alternate channel, but then you have the issue of people who join later finding the correct channel |
| 07:11.59 | Esamynn | because if you don't deal with that, you end up with a split in the user base |
| 07:12.38 | Kirov | periodic checks? |
| 07:12.47 | Kirov | once a minute attempt to join channel? |
| 07:13.08 | Kirov | granted, it would require an open channel slot |
| 07:13.49 | Esamynn | yes, that is one posibility, although it would be nice to find a better solution |
| 07:14.06 | Esamynn | but I don't think there is one to be had |
| 07:14.06 | Shadowed | Is there even a better solution? |
| 07:14.27 | Kirov | Yes |
| 07:14.39 | Kirov | Blizzard implements something |
| 07:14.49 | Kirov | but that's not going to happen, ever. |
| 07:15.00 | Kirov | Actually |
| 07:15.10 | Kirov | You could just do checks when people join / come online |
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| 07:15.43 | Esamynn | yes, that might work as well |
| 07:15.43 | Kirov | There'd still be a small chance that people could be split up, but someone would have to be actively trying. |
| 07:15.57 | Eve | What's this channel about? ;o |
| 07:16.19 | Eve | Or uh |
| 07:16.21 | Eve | what is wowi? |
| 07:16.28 | Shadowed | In the end, no matter what you do somebody could break it. But thats the same case with the current channels, and it's worst because they don't even have any checks. |
| 07:16.31 | Kirov | it's about shouting "wowi! that's cool!" all the time |
| 07:16.42 | Kirov | World of Warcraft Interface |
| 07:16.56 | Kirov | specifically wowinterface.com |
| 07:17.00 | Eve | Ah |
| 07:17.02 | Eve | Thought so. |
| 07:17.37 | Esamynn | well, time for me to head to bed |
| 07:17.42 | Shadowed | night |
| 07:17.43 | Kirov | later |
| 07:17.49 | Cairenn | night Es |
| 07:18.00 | Esamynn | Thanks for the ideas Kirov, I might actully get somewhere if I sit down to write the silly thing :) |
| 07:18.07 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Eve (n=en@unaffiliated/nautica) |
| 07:18.18 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:18.38 | Esamynn | tries* |
| 07:19.39 | Shadowed | It seems like it would be a fun project, i'd try to do something like it but don't really know enough yet that I could pull it off succesfully. |
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| 07:19.55 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> World of Warcraft Mod Dev Discussions |
| 07:19.58 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 07:20.21 | Shadowed | wait, this channel isn't for EVE-Online? |
| 07:20.24 | Shadowed | oops... |
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| 07:20.53 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 07:21.34 | s|loup | lol |
| 07:23.57 | s|loup | i see 50% of members leaving by registering that this channel isnt for EVE-Online ^^ |
| 07:24.38 | Cairenn | it's a disappointment, I understand |
| 07:24.41 | Elkano | why should it be for eve? |
| 07:24.46 | s|loup | i dont know |
| 07:25.02 | Shadowed | It was the last game I played before WoW, so just the first one that game to mind :p |
| 07:25.08 | s|loup | maybe the topic about world of warcraft isnt clear enough ^^ |
| 07:25.16 | Shadowed | s/game/came/ |
| 07:25.26 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 07:25.40 | Shadowed | Well that didn't work so well :( |
| 07:25.42 | MoonWolf | I though tthis channel was abou the specific points of elven orc relationships. |
| 07:25.43 | Elkano | ~paper |
| 07:25.44 | purl | scissors, I win. |
| 07:25.48 | Elkano | :( |
| 07:25.49 | Shadowed | ~rock |
| 07:25.50 | purl | hmm... rock is kinda bsd-ish, too - in the future i'll probably transfer to rock, when it's default devfs doesn't screw up with xonox's partitioning nightmare |
| 07:26.16 | Shadowed | :( |
| 07:27.00 | mikk1 | ~scissors |
| 07:27.01 | purl | scissors, play again. |
| 07:27.14 | Shadowed | ~paper |
| 07:27.15 | purl | scissors, I win. |
| 07:27.22 | mikk1 | ~scissors |
| 07:27.23 | purl | rock, I win. |
| 07:27.33 | Shadowed | purl is cheating i think |
| 07:27.36 | Shadowed | ~paper |
| 07:27.37 | purl | paper, play again. |
| 07:27.46 | Cairenn | @#$?%@#$%Y(&P(&$% rabid hyenas |
| 07:27.49 | krka|work | ~cockroach |
| 07:27.53 | Shadowed | haha |
| 07:27.54 | s|loup | ~rock |
| 07:27.55 | purl | from memory, rock is kinda bsd-ish, too - in the future i'll probably transfer to rock, when it's default devfs doesn't screw up with xonox's partitioning nightmare |
| 07:28.00 | krka|work | ~nuke |
| 07:28.01 | Shadowed | ~scissors |
| 07:28.03 | purl | paper, you win. |
| 07:28.07 | Shadowed | yes! |
| 07:28.22 | mikk1 | purl, cockroach is<reply>Nuke. You win. |
| 07:28.39 | Cairenn | you forgot the space after the > |
| 07:28.44 | mikk1 | purl, cockroach is <reply>Nuke. You win. |
| 07:28.45 | purl | mikk1: okay |
| 07:28.49 | mikk1 | before the < |
| 07:28.52 | AnduinLothar | sweet, malistars! woot |
| 07:29.04 | mikk1 | grap gfx :-P |
| 07:29.09 | mikk1 | crap* |
| 07:29.21 | AnduinLothar | Gizlock's x 2 |
| 07:29.48 | krka|work | purl, nuke is <reply> cockroach. I win. |
| 07:29.49 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at is <reply> cockroach. I win. ... B☢☢M! |
| 07:30.06 | mikk1 | ~nuke krka |
| 07:30.08 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at krka ... B☢☢M! |
| 07:30.55 | krka|work | http://www.umop.com/rps25.htm |
| 07:31.04 | mikk1 | purl, no, nuke is <action>prepares 100 missile silos, and targets them at $1 ... BOOM!||<reply>Cockroach. I win. |
| 07:31.05 | purl | okay, mikk1 |
| 07:31.14 | mikk1 | ~nuke krka |
| 07:31.15 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at krka ... B☢☢M! |
| 07:31.24 | mikk1 | ~nuke |
| 07:31.25 | purl | Cockroach. I win. |
| 07:31.26 | mikk1 | o |
| 07:31.38 | mikk1 | purl, no, nuke is <reply>Cockroach. I win. |
| 07:31.41 | purl | okay, mikk1 |
| 07:31.45 | mikk1 | ~nuke |
| 07:31.46 | purl | Cockroach. I win. |
| 07:31.47 | mikk1 | ~nuke krka |
| 07:31.49 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at krka ... B☢☢M! |
| 07:31.57 | Shadowed | ~nuke mikk1 |
| 07:31.59 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at mikk1 ... B☢☢M! |
| 07:32.11 | krka|work | ~nude |
| 07:32.13 | mikk1 | purl, emulate Shadowed |
| 07:32.31 | Shadowed | I would have been suprise if there was one for that! |
| 07:32.48 | krka|work | purl, emulate krka |
| 07:32.49 | purl | Didn't I plug FAIAP to you already? I thought I did long time ago. |
| 07:33.39 | Shadowed | purl, emulate purl |
| 07:33.41 | purl | ACTION tries to look like itself |
| 07:33.52 | krka|work | hm |
| 07:33.56 | krka|work | where did purl get mine |
| 07:34.13 | Kirov | purl, emulate Kirov |
| 07:34.16 | Shadowed | Do other people set the emulate, or is it just a random message he grabs fromt he channel? |
| 07:34.17 | krka|work | ~krka |
| 07:34.19 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, krka is a semi-retired addon coder. made stuff such as AutoTravel, MapLibrary, ... not much else really |
| 07:34.32 | Kirov | purl, emulate Iriel |
| 07:34.33 | purl | I have 2 part-time gnomes, perl, and java, which do some of the heavy lifting, but they require constant supervision. |
| 07:34.36 | Shadowed | s/t he/the/ |
| 07:34.52 | krka|work | it's set i think |
| 07:35.05 | Shadowed | purl, emulate Cairenn |
| 07:35.07 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 07:35.18 | Cairenn | set your own |
| 07:35.28 | kergoth | ~emulate kergoth |
| 07:35.30 | purl | Why don't you go away, and come back when you've got some clue? |
| 07:35.31 | Shadowed | wheres the fun in that |
| 07:35.34 | Cairenn | setting, or messing with, someone else's is considered rather rude |
| 07:35.35 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 07:35.35 | purl | aw, gee, kergoth |
| 07:36.35 | Shadowed | ~emulate tem |
| 07:36.36 | purl | Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]! |
| 07:36.56 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 07:36.58 | purl | No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you. |
| 07:37.26 | Shadowed | better stewie quotes then that! |
| 07:37.30 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 07:37.31 | purl | Ha ha. Oh, this is so good it just HAS to be fattening. |
| 07:37.41 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 07:37.43 | purl | Ha ha. Oh, this is so good it just HAS to be fattening. |
| 07:37.45 | kergoth | bah |
| 07:37.54 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 07:37.55 | purl | Do you want a soooda? |
| 07:38.04 | Shadowed | blast you kergoth1 |
| 07:38.07 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 07:38.08 | purl | There's this game where you put in a dollar and you win four quarters. I win every time! |
| 07:38.08 | Shadowed | s/1/!/ |
| 07:38.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:38.19 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 07:38.21 | purl | One day I got caught with my hand down my pants at school, and I had to keep it there all week...What a week! |
| 07:38.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:39.00 | Shadowed | ~emulate Tain |
| 07:39.01 | purl | On the list of people I'll accept development criticism from, you fall somewhere between Clippy, the MS Office assistant, and a bag of rocks. |
| 07:39.31 | Shadowed | Think I like Tain's best |
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| 07:41.05 | Shadowed | ~emulate MentalPower |
| 07:41.06 | purl | ACTION is eating pizza with chocolate milk |
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| 07:43.11 | krka|work | yay! the luaslinger author links to FAIAP! http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1386 |
| 07:43.15 | krka|work | emulate krka |
| 07:43.22 | krka|work | ~emulate krka |
| 07:43.24 | purl | Didn't I plug FAIAP to you already? I thought I did long time ago. |
| 07:45.49 | Shadowed | ~emulate work |
| 07:46.14 | Shadowed | ~work |
| 07:46.15 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, work is punishment for failing to procrastinate effectively. |
| 07:47.06 | mikk1 | purl, emulate work |
| 07:47.07 | purl | ACTION is AFK. |
| 07:47.29 | Shadowed | Isn't ~emulate work and purl, emulte work the same thing? |
| 07:47.29 | kergoth | ~unproductivity |
| 07:47.31 | purl | yay! |
| 07:47.37 | mikk1 | Shadowed: it is |
| 07:47.39 | mikk1 | I just added it |
| 07:47.43 | Shadowed | ah |
| 07:51.31 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 07:51.38 | Shadowed | night Cairenn |
| 07:53.10 | s|loup | n8 cairenn sleep well |
| 08:01.24 | Shadowed | should go to sleep too I guess, night |
| 08:02.00 | s|loup | night |
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| 09:20.33 | Wobin | Cide, you about? |
| 09:20.40 | Wobin | feh, guess not |
| 09:21.38 | mikk1 | It'll be 3+ hours until he's awake |
| 09:22.42 | mikk1 | ~seen Cide |
| 09:22.44 | purl | cide <i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 5h 58m 52s ago, saying: 'and ++varname'. |
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| 09:29.00 | mikk1 | Question: Can anyone recall seeing loss or reordering of chat messages? |
| 09:37.50 | mikk1 | That would have taken me hours to debug in wow because I was looking for an endless loop. It wasn't. |
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| 10:35.25 | Maldivia | grr, why is the login server always down when I want to post on the forums ... :9 |
| 10:35.50 | zenzelezz | safety mechanism |
| 10:35.57 | mikk1 | hehe |
| 10:36.04 | MoonWolf | they tell me its because of mercuriy being retrograde |
| 10:36.13 | MoonWolf | it fucks up all communitcatign stuff |
| 10:36.19 | MoonWolf | including forums and the internet in genereal |
| 10:36.22 | MoonWolf | general* |
| 10:37.26 | Maldivia | was just reading the threads about disabling / enabling the combat log. Would the following in theory disable and enable it; |
| 10:37.28 | Maldivia | ChatFrame2:UnregisterAllEvents() |
| 10:37.28 | Maldivia | for _,a in ChatFrame2.messageTypeList do for _,e in ChatTypeGroup[a] do ChatFrame2:RegisterEvent(e); end end |
| 10:37.41 | Maldivia | (if ChatFrame2 is the combat log, that is) |
| 10:38.35 | mikk1 | Only until UPDATE_CHAT_WINDOWS is fired |
| 10:38.52 | mikk1 | When that happens, it'll do a GetChatWindowMessages() and re-register all events |
| 10:38.57 | Maldivia | And how would the frame recieve it, after a UnregisterAllEvents ? |
| 10:39.03 | mikk1 | ... good point =) |
| 10:39.22 | zenzelezz | through sheer force of will! |
| 10:39.35 | mikk1 | I wonder if my hookage could do it |
| 10:40.27 | Maldivia | while you check, I'll get some lunch :9 |
| 10:40.42 | mikk1 | If the user fiddles the chat window settings, it'll all come back also |
| 10:42.18 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity, do you gain anything by not having the combat log? |
| 10:42.46 | mikk1 | Perhaps a few fps |
| 10:42.53 | mikk1 | Though I'm wondering if just hiding the window is better |
| 10:43.36 | mikk1 | Oh, and hooking ChatFrame_OnEvent() and filtering out everything destined for that window. |
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| 10:44.33 | mikk1 | Then again, my combat log only shows my own damage so I doubt disabling it would help me much. |
| 10:44.57 | mikk1 | But if someone is showing everything in a 40 man raid... Yeah, that's a little bit of work. |
| 10:58.29 | Wobin | There are too many M-names in here |
| 10:59.30 | Mikma | where? |
| 11:01.50 | Mikk1 | And, even worse, if you take all the K names, that are only one ascii code away, and then you take all the Zs and rotate them and mirror them, they become Ns which are also only one ascii code away, it's a whole damn invasion! |
| 11:02.11 | Mikk1 | Not to mention the Ws which only need to be mirrored! |
| 11:02.25 | Mikk1 | "Daddy? Why are we hiding?" |
| 11:02.38 | Mikk1 | "It's because our names don't begin with M, son." |
| 11:02.48 | MoonWolf | my name has an M |
| 11:02.52 | MoonWolf | M is superior! |
| 11:03.15 | Mikk1 | purl, m |
| 11:03.16 | purl | m is, like, a variant of the n disease, usually found among league and CTF players. |
| 11:03.25 | Mikk1 | ~botslap |
| 11:03.26 | purl | ACTION whimpers |
| 11:04.22 | krka|work | K is the shit |
| 11:04.34 | Elkano | Mikk1, between K and M there's L |
| 11:05.54 | Mikk1 | Erhm |
| 11:06.48 | Mikk1 | Bah. I'm bored. |
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| 11:06.54 | Mikk1 | I need to find more pages to delete on wowwiki |
| 11:06.56 | Mikk1 | :-P |
| 11:08.44 | Mikk1 | ohhh wait Special:Newpages is always good for finding some |
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| 11:08.54 | Maldivia | :) |
| 11:10.56 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:10.58 | Mikk1 | yay. found one. |
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| 11:18.01 | Mikk1 | Meh. People have started reading guild page policy |
| 11:19.23 | Maldivia | hmm, why have I never noticed that /run is the same as /script... that's 3 extra free chars in a macro |
| 11:21.23 | s|loup | i can't tell you |
| 11:22.16 | Maldivia | damnit, I thought you could :| |
| 11:22.25 | s|loup | no way its to hot to think about it |
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| 11:53.59 | Mikk1 | Lol |
| 11:54.10 | Mikk1 | "The Looking For Group channel is now defaulted off." |
| 11:54.14 | Mikk1 | ORLY? |
| 12:10.27 | Maldivia | haven't most people learned to turn it off already? |
| 12:11.01 | Mikk1 | never underestimate the stupidity of nubs, the amount of them present in WoW, nor how much extra work they're causing for Blizzard's employees |
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| 12:22.25 | Kalroth | hi friends! |
| 12:22.36 | Kalroth | (and krka) |
| 12:27.29 | krka|work | ... |
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| 12:50.07 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 12:53.56 | Kalroth | hi Josh |
| 13:13.01 | Mikk1 | Would it be heretical of me to implement a double-linked list using table references in Lua? o.O |
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| 13:19.52 | krka|work | YES |
| 13:20.10 | krka|work | actually... i've considered it myself |
| 13:20.16 | krka|work | what are you using it for? |
| 13:20.22 | krka|work | i.e. what is the usage pattern? |
| 13:20.25 | Mikk1 | Sorted list of timers to execute |
| 13:20.31 | krka|work | inserting / deleting in the middle a lot? |
| 13:20.50 | krka|work | sounds like a heap to me |
| 13:20.53 | Mikk1 | Actually, a single linked list will do since I'll always be finding the position via looping |
| 13:21.09 | krka|work | heap = logarithmic insert / get :) |
| 13:21.14 | Mikk1 | Unless I implement some form of hash, which I won't =P |
| 13:21.33 | Mikk1 | Oooooh wait |
| 13:21.38 | krka|work | heap is pretty easy to implement too |
| 13:21.48 | krka|work | actually, i believe chronos or timex have implemented a heap already |
| 13:21.50 | Mikk1 | That's not how to do timers. |
| 13:22.03 | Mikk1 | The Right Way(tm) is to hash on the time to execute. |
| 13:22.33 | krka|work | whoa.... why? |
| 13:22.48 | Mikk1 | Because it's cheap as hell to insert in the right location |
| 13:22.54 | Mikk1 | And cheap as hell to see if there's anything to run right now |
| 13:23.03 | krka|work | with hash tables you don't have a "right location" |
| 13:23.08 | krka|work | depends on your accuracy |
| 13:23.24 | krka|work | what if you have a timer for 0.001 and you jump from time 0 to time 1? |
| 13:23.30 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.35 | Mikk1 | Would obviously need some normalization ;) |
| 13:23.53 | krka|work | seems unnecessary |
| 13:23.59 | krka|work | why not simply use a heap? |
| 13:24.14 | krka|work | the first item will always be the smallest |
| 13:24.29 | Mikk1 | For my usage pattern it's probably the best yeah. |
| 13:24.29 | krka|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_heap |
| 13:24.46 | Mikk1 | I have a few timers that fire often, but i'll mostly just need to scan one or two positions into the list to find where to put them |
| 13:24.48 | Mikk1 | So pretty cheap |
| 13:24.49 | krka|work | implement with a single lua array |
| 13:24.53 | Mikk1 | Doesn't cause GC either |
| 13:25.04 | Mikk1 | array? |
| 13:25.11 | Mikk1 | i was thinking a linked list |
| 13:25.12 | krka|work | actually, best would probably to just have simple unsorted list and scan through it |
| 13:25.26 | krka|work | unless you have several 1000 timers |
| 13:25.32 | Mikk1 | I am NOT implementing a search tree, mkay? =) |
| 13:25.41 | krka|work | not really a search tree |
| 13:25.59 | krka|work | well maybe it is... but it's a good tree |
| 13:26.52 | Mikk1 | Ah, ok, I see what you're getting at.. use "nextindex" to look up in the array again |
| 13:26.57 | Mikk1 | Seems unnecessary work to me though |
| 13:27.01 | Mikk1 | Just ref whatever's next instead =) |
| 13:27.37 | Mikk1 | And no I don't have several 1000 timers.. I have like half a dozen atm. |
| 13:27.38 | krka|work | not really sure what you're trying to do |
| 13:27.48 | krka|work | then do it the easy way |
| 13:27.50 | Mikk1 | Seems unnecessary to scan through them all on each <OnUpdate> though |
| 13:27.56 | krka|work | optimize when you _have- to |
| 13:28.11 | krka|work | it will be faster to scan through than doing something fancy |
| 13:28.35 | Mikk1 | Doubt it =P |
| 13:28.44 | End-afk | I think a better way to put it is design it well |
| 13:28.51 | krka|work | but the best solution is a binary heap |
| 13:28.55 | krka|work | see under heap implementation |
| 13:28.59 | krka|work | you can do it with a single lua table |
| 13:29.01 | krka|work | easily |
| 13:29.08 | krka|work | chronos/timex has done it already |
| 13:29.10 | Mikk1 | I'm not going to get that fancy. |
| 13:29.16 | Mikk1 | Just a sorted list |
| 13:29.23 | krka|work | why even have it sorted? |
| 13:29.42 | krka|work | loop through, check which timers have passed, remove and run |
| 13:29.42 | Mikk1 | Because on each OnUpdate, i only need to look at the first node |
| 13:30.29 | Mikk1 | Single sorted list is nice and optimized for few timers. |
| 13:30.36 | Mikk1 | If it were to get bigger than that, I'd still use a hash. |
| 13:31.46 | Mikk1 | I.e. hash on (GetTime()+interval)*4 mod num_buckets |
| 13:31.57 | Mikk1 | err do a floor() there too |
| 13:33.06 | Mikk1 | Works well enough in a situation where you're guaranteed steady timer delivery. Just need to remember which bucket you looked in last and advance until you're looking in the right bucket for the current time (i.e. 99.9% of the time you just step to the next bucket and done) |
| 13:33.17 | Mikk1 | s/guaranteed/nearly guaranteed/ |
| 13:43.23 | Mikk1 | Mikk1's first rule of CS Professors: Don't trust anything they told you. |
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| 13:43.46 | Mikk1 | Mikk2's second rule of CS Professors: If your CS professor was Donald E. Knuth, Rule 1 does not apply. |
| 13:44.46 | zenzelezz | Beware of bugs in the above code, I have only proven it correct - not tested it |
| 13:44.58 | Mikk1 | Something along those lines, yes =) |
| 13:46.08 | Mikk1 | Like how they keep telling you that the best way to implement a hash is to solve collisions by stuffing things in the next bucket, and then the next, and the next.... |
| 13:46.15 | Mikk1 | THAT'S PROBABLY THE WORST WAY EVER |
| 13:47.19 | Mikk1 | The failure mode is horrible, and deleting from the hash is error prone like hell and slow. |
| 13:47.33 | Mikk1 | But do they tell you that? Nooooooooo. |
| 13:47.48 | Mikk1 | It's ELEGANT! |
| 13:48.12 | krka|work | huh? |
| 13:49.26 | Mikk1 | hmwa? |
| 13:49.39 | Mikk1 | Not agreeing or am I simply not making sense as usual? =P |
| 13:49.40 | krka|work | not sure what's wrong with using a linked list for collisions |
| 13:49.48 | krka|work | though i prefer trees myself |
| 13:50.08 | Mikk1 | that wasn't a linked list I was describin |
| 13:50.33 | Mikk1 | well, maybe, if you call it a linked list with links to more hash buckets |
| 13:51.05 | krka|work | hm i probably misunderstood |
| 13:51.16 | Mikk1 | A hash with "deep" buckets (more than one entry inside each bucket) is okay |
| 13:51.26 | Mikk1 | Err.. _possibly_ more than one entry inside each bucket, that is |
| 13:51.42 | Mikk1 | That could indeed be a linked list |
| 13:52.09 | Mikk1 | But polluting unrelated hash buckets when you get collisions... *ptooie* |
| 13:52.26 | krka|work | it works :) |
| 13:52.33 | krka|work | good when collisions are rare |
| 13:52.41 | krka|work | like when you have a huge hash table |
| 13:52.45 | Mikk1 | Ok... and when you delete from such a hash? |
| 13:53.01 | Mikk1 | You need to reorder and/or relink stuff all over the place |
| 13:53.08 | Mikk1 | Which is error prone |
| 13:53.09 | krka|work | calculate the hash, check the bucket |
| 13:53.10 | Mikk1 | And slow |
| 13:53.15 | krka|work | iterate forward till you find the correct object |
| 13:53.18 | krka|work | delete it |
| 13:53.22 | Mikk1 | explain "delete" |
| 13:53.29 | krka|work | empty the bucket |
| 13:53.43 | Mikk1 | ok.. and the other items with the same hash value? |
| 13:53.51 | Mikk1 | how do you find those next time you're looking for them? |
| 13:54.01 | krka|work | hm... i see the problems |
| 13:54.07 | Mikk1 | those _past_ the one you deleted? |
| 13:54.16 | krka|work | finding is easy, if you _know_ they exist |
| 13:54.23 | Mikk1 | not to mention items that hash to the bucket that you just emptied? |
| 13:54.32 | krka|work | but searching for something that doesn't exist means scanning the entire table |
| 13:54.36 | Mikk1 | or, hell items that hash to any of the buckets between the first one and the one you emptied? |
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| 13:55.54 | krka|work | yeah, it's a broken design |
| 13:55.57 | Mikk1 | ok.. so.. special case: you only ever search for things that exist. you have a hash function that is extremely unlikely to produce collisions. your hash table is very very large (x2 the amount of entries probably won't cut it). you don't delete much out of the table. |
| 13:56.00 | Mikk1 | Now it's a good design. |
| 13:56.05 | Mikk1 | I didn't hear them say that. |
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| 13:56.23 | krka|work | yup |
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| 14:16.14 | Mikk1 | On a related note, I have yet to see a tree implementation beat a hash implementation for looking single objects by a known value. |
| 14:16.21 | Mikk1 | s/looking/looking up/ |
| 14:16.45 | krka|work | well obviously :P |
| 14:16.49 | Mikk1 | Trees can do funky stuff like finding a value in a range, which hashes cannot (really). |
| 14:16.58 | krka|work | and keep stuff sorted |
| 14:18.30 | Mikk1 | I love seeing the argument "but with a hash, I'll still have to loop dozens of objects in each bucket!" |
| 14:18.55 | MoonWolf | ~lart those people |
| 14:19.04 | Mikk1 | ~botsnack |
| 14:19.04 | purl | Mikk1: aw, gee |
| 14:19.37 | krka|work | gosh, you really love hashes? :) |
| 14:19.50 | Mikk1 | Hashes rock =) |
| 14:21.03 | Mikk1 | Look at Lua. Everything is a hash =) |
| 14:21.27 | krka|work | not so |
| 14:21.42 | Mikk1 | table[1]? think you're indexing an array! hah! that's a hash lookup! =) |
| 14:21.58 | Elkano | collision resistant hashes? |
| 14:22.11 | krka|work | nope Mikk1 |
| 14:22.16 | krka|work | lua uses both normal arrays and hash tables |
| 14:22.55 | Mikk1 | so table[1]="a", table[4000000000]="b" is ...? =P |
| 14:23.25 | krka|work | that's a hash table |
| 14:23.44 | krka|work | it depends on a lot of stuff, like number of "gaps" |
| 14:23.58 | krka|work | iriel is an expert on lua table implementation |
| 14:24.13 | Mikk1 | bah. i'll call that a specialized hash function :P |
| 14:24.26 | krka|work | if that makes you happy |
| 14:24.31 | Mikk1 | it does ;) |
| 14:25.23 | Mikk1 | Elkano hit the nail on the head though.. Coming up with good hash functions for different data is harder than just dumping it in a tree. |
| 14:26.11 | krka|work | nah, just use md5 or something |
| 14:26.19 | Mikk1 | ain't happening =P |
| 14:26.22 | Mikk1 | way too slow |
| 14:26.33 | Elkano | md5 is broken :) as is sha-1 |
| 14:26.43 | Mikk1 | nah |
| 14:26.51 | Mikk1 | reduced-round, known-plaintext attacks against them are |
| 14:27.27 | Mikk1 | which may be evidence of a fundamental flaw, or simply evidence that they use many rounds for good reason. the jury is still out on that, really =) |
| 14:28.04 | Elkano | ^^ well, I'm having a lecture on crypto this semester ^^ |
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| 14:33.53 | Mikk1 | http://www.burtleburtle.net/bob/hash/evahash.html#newhash <-- very nice hash |
| 14:34.57 | Mikk1 | the hash() function itself is silly. it's #mix(a,b,c) that's useful. |
| 14:35.05 | Beladona | stop talking about marijuana in here... oh wait |
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| 14:57.12 | wereHamster | what event does fire when the player armor has changed? |
| 14:57.55 | Tain | haha ebay has banned Google Checkout as an acceptible payment method. |
| 14:59.33 | Mikk1 | wereHamster: Hm... from memory, UNIT_STATS? |
| 15:02.18 | Mikk1 | Err... "UNIT_COMBAT"? |
| 15:02.21 | Mikk1 | That's a pipe dream, right? |
| 15:03.18 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_(Full_List)#UNIT_COMBAT |
| 15:12.44 | Thrae | Mikk1? Iriel? |
| 15:13.45 | Mikk1 | yes? |
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| 15:21.07 | Mikk1 | Thrae: Yes? =) |
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| 15:38.21 | Mikk1 | GIFV IN-GAME UI EDITOR! |
| 15:38.39 | Mikk1 | Doesn't even have to be able to create stuff |
| 15:38.48 | Mikk1 | As long as it's able to tweak layout parameters of existing stuff, I'm happy |
| 15:39.00 | Mikk1 | (and print them out so I can paste them somewhere) |
| 15:48.08 | Beladona | how accurate could it be without being able to output contents of xml files |
| 15:48.17 | Beladona | which I don't think you can do in-game |
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| 16:48.02 | Mikk1 | Beladona: Plenty accurate I think |
| 16:48.07 | Mikk1 | As far as positioning is concerned |
| 16:48.37 | Mikk1 | Scripts is another story though. All it'd be able to tell is that it HAS a script. |
| 16:48.51 | Mikk1 | Wouldn't be able to output the original Lua |
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| 16:49.24 | Mikk1 | But if it's not just an editor, but rather a designer from the ground up, you'd be able to input scripts in-game too |
| 16:49.35 | Mikk1 | (And save layouts in an SV file) |
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| 17:00.34 | End | oh |
| 17:00.37 | End | that's interesting |
| 17:01.47 | Mikk1 | I'm half tempted to write it |
| 17:02.02 | Mikk1 | Don't think I will in the near future though |
| 17:03.31 | chuckg | Mikk1, remember how we were talking about my mod lockin up WoW the other day? |
| 17:03.47 | chuckg | What would cause that? A stack over flow? |
| 17:04.44 | ag` | onupdate - console reloadui |
| 17:05.56 | Mikk1 | endless loops? |
| 17:06.08 | chuckg | That would cause an immediate lockup? |
| 17:06.16 | Mikk1 | stack overflows are correctly reported as such. |
| 17:06.23 | Mikk1 | takes a while to fill the stack, but it happens |
| 17:06.30 | chuckg | This is instant. |
| 17:06.43 | End | what do you mean instant? |
| 17:06.44 | chuckg | And it's happening when I cycle through the reagent info of the enchanting window's items. |
| 17:07.31 | Mikk1 | I assume you mean "the screen suddenly freezes"? |
| 17:07.35 | chuckg | Yes. |
| 17:07.40 | Mikk1 | Sounds like a neverending loop to me |
| 17:07.42 | chuckg | I hit "go" basically and bam. |
| 17:07.49 | chuckg | There are no neverending loops though! |
| 17:08.45 | Mikk1 | I'd tell you to go run it under WoWBench, except you'd have to implement the tradeskill APIs first =P |
| 17:09.04 | chuckg | Pastebin is le' slow. |
| 17:09.27 | chuckg | Something about the craftframe's API must be bugged. |
| 17:09.31 | chuckg | Since this is new since the patch. |
| 17:09.41 | Mikk1 | Then again you could just take a snapshot of what your tradeskill APIs are returning, dump them in an SV file, and emulate that in wowbench. |
| 17:09.48 | Mikk1 | Quick work. |
| 17:10.26 | chuckg | ANy other pastebin like sites? |
| 17:10.31 | Mikk1 | www.pastebin.ca |
| 17:11.17 | chuckg | http://pastebin.ca/81557 |
| 17:11.19 | chuckg | Check that out. |
| 17:11.23 | chuckg | It's got to be in there. |
| 17:11.45 | chuckg | I saw it "can't be infinite" unless it's the CraftFrame speicifcally, cause the trade frame uses it too and it's on the same code. |
| 17:11.51 | chuckg | "say" |
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| 17:14.13 | Mikk1 | pleaaaaaase delete line 25 |
| 17:17.39 | Mikk1 | chuckg: random idea: do it in two passes. one pass where you expand subclasses, and one pass where you actually do your scanning work. |
| 17:17.48 | Mikk1 | split it up in two functions. see which one shoots. |
| 17:18.04 | chuckg | THere are no sublcasses in Crafting. |
| 17:18.23 | chuckg | Blizzard just decided it would be a good idea to pretend there is, as a leftover from trade skills. |
| 17:18.33 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 17:18.36 | Tem | ;alksdjfa;sldfjk |
| 17:18.39 | Tem | whoops |
| 17:18.41 | chuckg | Open up enchanting window. |
| 17:18.48 | chuckg | Tell me if you see headers :) |
| 17:19.02 | Kirov | Trade Skill vs. Crafting frames? |
| 17:19.04 | chuckg | So I'm not sure why it's even included. |
| 17:19.06 | Mikk1 | I wouldn't know. I only have a disenchanter =P |
| 17:19.09 | chuckg | Correct. |
| 17:19.33 | chuckg | Scroll up Kirov, I'm locking up wow scanning throug hthe reagent info in crafting frame but not in reagent. |
| 17:20.02 | Kirov | Can't scroll up, just joined. :) |
| 17:20.13 | chuckg | Ahh. |
| 17:20.14 | chuckg | Ok. |
| 17:20.22 | chuckg | http://pastebin.ca/81557 |
| 17:20.36 | chuckg | That code is being executed, I'm seeing the found results in the crafting frame, then wow locks up. |
| 17:20.51 | Cide | I second Mikk1's request - remove line 25 :) |
| 17:20.56 | chuckg | It's gone. |
| 17:21.03 | chuckg | That isn't what's locking me up though! |
| 17:21.06 | Cide | aah, it's the same link |
| 17:21.15 | Kirov | that was for me |
| 17:21.18 | chuckg | Yea, sorry, just didn't update it. |
| 17:21.43 | Mikk1 | Wait.. you're saying that you see the results? |
| 17:21.50 | chuckg | Then it locks up. |
| 17:21.51 | Mikk1 | If so, this function has already executed o.O |
| 17:22.18 | chuckg | Ok well there's nothing specific about reagents in any other part of the code. |
| 17:22.22 | Beladona | I have seen functions that trigger onupdate lockup wow |
| 17:22.29 | chuckg | That would make it lockup doing that search vs any other. |
| 17:22.44 | Beladona | it depends on how often the update triggers, and what he function is doing |
| 17:22.55 | chuckg | There is no OnUpdate. |
| 17:23.03 | chuckg | It's a one shot go. |
| 17:23.10 | Mikk1 | "functions that trigger onupdate"? |
| 17:23.14 | chuckg | Oh. |
| 17:23.34 | Mikk1 | A function that goes and calls the OnUpdate script in some frame? |
| 17:23.37 | Beladona | an OnUpdate script |
| 17:23.45 | Beladona | for those that didn't clue in to my train of thought |
| 17:24.45 | chuckg | On a side note, real fast ... why delete line 25? |
| 17:24.53 | Mikk1 | because you're creating an empty table |
| 17:24.54 | chuckg | Aren't I just initializing it as a table before populating it? |
| 17:24.59 | Mikk1 | then in 26 you're replacing it with another table |
| 17:25.10 | Beladona | chuckg: question, when does the function you put on pastebin get called? |
| 17:25.10 | chuckg | I hate LUA. |
| 17:25.12 | chuckg | :| |
| 17:25.30 | zenzelezz | forget everything you know from other languages; that helps |
| 17:25.37 | chuckg | When the craft frame updates, or, more specifically, when the user hits "search". |
| 17:25.45 | Mikk1 | nah. it makes sense to think c++ too |
| 17:25.50 | Mikk1 | myTable = new Table() |
| 17:25.54 | Mikk1 | myTable = new Table(1,2,3,4) |
| 17:26.00 | Mikk1 | whoopie! |
| 17:26.18 | Mikk1 | You just have to remember that as soon as you're saying "= {", there's a "new" in between |
| 17:26.46 | Beladona | would that not be an OnUpdate then, like I mentioned before? |
| 17:27.00 | chuckg | No. |
| 17:27.07 | Beladona | the issue I had that locked up wow was a for loop, similar to what you are doing in your function |
| 17:27.15 | chuckg | OnUpdate occurs every period of time, Update occurs only when an action happens. |
| 17:27.26 | chuckg | The frame scrolls, a new window is opened, I repopulate the data. |
| 17:27.47 | chuckg | In this case, the update is happening once. |
| 17:28.03 | Mikk1 | ... call "expand" on a dummy header that's lying around? =P |
| 17:28.26 | chuckg | Perhaps.. |
| 17:28.34 | Mikk1 | I'm stumped. Time to go watch bad TV. |
| 17:28.56 | chuckg | I don't understand why blizzard included the headers in craft when there are none. |
| 17:29.33 | Beladona | line 25 is redundant |
| 17:30.06 | chuckg | It's removed. |
| 17:30.13 | chuckg | http://pastebin.ca/81566 |
| 17:30.17 | chuckg | That's what we're working with now. |
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| 17:30.48 | [Ammo] | good evening |
| 17:32.00 | chuckg | It's looping through that build reagent functin infinitely! |
| 17:32.02 | chuckg | What in hell... |
| 17:32.31 | Cairenn | hi [Ammo] |
| 17:32.48 | [Ammo] | thought I'd come hang in here as well |
| 17:34.12 | Cairenn | you're certainly welcome |
| 17:35.25 | [Ammo] | for those that don't know me, I help tekkub by littering his BigWigs with boss modules and create some small stuff on the side |
| 17:35.58 | Beladona | that would be the cause of your lockup for sure |
| 17:36.12 | Tem | chuckg, if you know what's good for you, stay away from the TradeSkillFrame and the CraftFrame |
| 17:36.19 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:36.24 | chuckg | I can't! |
| 17:36.29 | chuckg | They're devilish. |
| 17:36.29 | Tem | seriously |
| 17:36.31 | Kirov | chuck - when do you initiate your script? |
| 17:36.31 | chuckg | But. |
| 17:36.32 | Tem | stay away |
| 17:36.33 | chuckg | If I can tackle them. |
| 17:36.36 | Kirov | is it off of an event? |
| 17:36.36 | chuckg | I can tackle anything. |
| 17:36.40 | Tem | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:36.56 | Beladona | the arg 'craft' is numeric? |
| 17:37.05 | Kirov | if you can tackle the tradeskill / craft frame ... you're masocistic |
| 17:37.06 | chuckg | I wrote a mod that allows the user to search through the respetive frames either by name/reagent/required items. |
| 17:37.18 | chuckg | Andi t's ONLY crashing when the user searches by reagent in the crafting frame. |
| 17:37.24 | Tem | chuckg, me too |
| 17:37.35 | Tem | the first, in fact |
| 17:37.41 | chuckg | Woah. |
| 17:37.43 | chuckg | You're getting the same thign? |
| 17:37.47 | Tem | nope |
| 17:37.50 | chuckg | Oh:( |
| 17:37.57 | chuckg | And I thought I saw light at the tunnel. |
| 17:38.00 | Tem | I wrote an addon that does the same thing |
| 17:38.10 | chuckg | How long ago? |
| 17:38.10 | Kirov | wait |
| 17:38.14 | Tem | like... |
| 17:38.20 | Kirov | Tem - You wrote a mod that doesn't crash WoW? |
| 17:38.21 | Tem | a year and bit ago |
| 17:38.21 | chuckg | Cause I wouldn't have wanted to kill myself w/ this mod if I'd known about another one. |
| 17:38.29 | Tem | Kirov, only sometimes |
| 17:38.33 | Kirov | hehe |
| 17:38.35 | Tem | you could look there to see what I do different |
| 17:38.40 | Beladona | chuckg: I am trying to figure out line 6 |
| 17:38.53 | chuckg | Ahh. |
| 17:38.56 | chuckg | What don't you understand? |
| 17:39.12 | chuckg | It's a dual use function, rather than writing one for crafting/tradeskills, I combined their use. |
| 17:39.13 | Beladona | if I pass the craft arg, what happens on line 6? |
| 17:39.22 | Tem | only, I've been too lazy to support the CraftFrame |
| 17:39.22 | Kirov | Beladona - it's a switch to say if to look at the craft frame or the tradeskill frame |
| 17:39.26 | Beladona | it will use craft, as well as GetNumCrafts() right? |
| 17:39.35 | chuckg | Yes. |
| 17:39.43 | Beladona | 2 numbers? |
| 17:39.49 | chuckg | Hmm? |
| 17:39.56 | chuckg | Right Kirov. |
| 17:40.11 | Kirov | it is a bit of a curious syntax to use though |
| 17:40.15 | Beladona | aye |
| 17:40.19 | Beladona | thats what I am getting at |
| 17:40.20 | chuckg | It's a way of making code for two completely, whacked out things work in one line. |
| 17:40.27 | Beladona | I understand the or part |
| 17:40.30 | Beladona | why and |
| 17:40.38 | chuckg | if I or'd it.. |
| 17:40.39 | chuckg | It wouldn't work. |
| 17:40.42 | Cide | "( expr1 and expr2 ) or expr3" |
| 17:40.52 | Cide | is the expr1?expr2:expr3 syntax in lua |
| 17:40.54 | Beladona | right, but why do you need BOTH numbers? |
| 17:40.57 | Cide | but you need the parenthesis |
| 17:41.06 | chuckg | craft is just saying "Is it the crafting frame?" |
| 17:41.16 | chuckg | I'm not passing the number of crafting items available to the function. |
| 17:41.22 | chuckg | If I was, I wouldn't need either. |
| 17:41.29 | Beladona | that is a bad place for craft then |
| 17:41.38 | Cide | if craft is true, then the mod is looking at the craft frame, and you need to use the craft functions instead of the tradeskill functions |
| 17:41.41 | chuckg | And why is that? |
| 17:41.56 | chuckg | There's nothing wrong w/ that line. |
| 17:42.00 | Cide | actually, yes |
| 17:42.02 | Beladona | can you structure a for loop with true? |
| 17:42.08 | Cide | you want parenthesises |
| 17:42.17 | chuckg | It's not structuring it on true. |
| 17:42.25 | chuckg | It's structuring it on "GetCraftNum()" |
| 17:42.27 | Beladona | you are |
| 17:42.36 | Cide | or maybe not |
| 17:42.39 | chuckg | Download the mod. |
| 17:42.41 | chuckg | And run it. |
| 17:42.43 | chuckg | Trust me, it's not. |
| 17:42.55 | chuckg | I wouldn't get any results in any search if that were true. |
| 17:43.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mr_Rabies2 (i=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:43.06 | Cide | (craft and GetCraftNumReagents(i) or GetTradeSkillNumReagents(i)) <- will return GetCraftNumReagents(i) if craft evaluates to true, otherwise GetTradeSkillNumReagents(i) |
| 17:43.12 | chuckg | Hell, I think I saw Kaeltan do the same thing. |
| 17:43.17 | Beladona | it would be cleaner to set a var to one of the two variables, and then do a single for loop[ with that variable |
| 17:43.30 | Cide | doesn't really matter, since it's only evaluated once anyway |
| 17:43.33 | chuckg | Making a var isn't cleaner. |
| 17:43.47 | chuckg | Doing one bit operation is as clean as it gets. |
| 17:43.57 | Beladona | I have never seen a for loop used that way is all |
| 17:44.02 | chuckg | Yea I should have paren's, Cide. |
| 17:44.22 | Cide | doubt it will stop you from locking up though |
| 17:44.29 | Beladona | thought for loops were restricted to for i=n, n, n |
| 17:44.35 | chuckg | It is n! |
| 17:44.45 | Cide | that statement always returns a number |
| 17:46.01 | Kirov | chuck - does GetNum always return the full number of items, even if they're not expanded, or just the number of lines shown taking in to account expanded / not expanded? |
| 17:46.13 | chuckg | There is no expanded or not expanded in Craft. |
| 17:46.19 | chuckg | There's just items. |
| 17:46.28 | Beladona | so all then |
| 17:46.40 | Kirov | For TradeSkills |
| 17:46.58 | Tem | for TS it returns the number that is currently visible |
| 17:46.59 | chuckg | For tradeskills? I'm not sure really. |
| 17:47.02 | chuckg | That's a good question. |
| 17:47.06 | Cide | GetNum returns the number of valid parameters to pass into Get... from 1 through n |
| 17:47.13 | Tem | so you need to call ExpandTradeSkillSubClass(0) before to get the right number |
| 17:47.25 | Kirov | Because at the moment your foor loop will exit out early since once you expand items it'll get longer |
| 17:47.29 | Tem | Cide, they are all in there |
| 17:47.31 | Cide | so I'm guessing if it's contracted, it won't take into account the number of items that aren't shown |
| 17:47.42 | chuckg | Probably. |
| 17:47.44 | chuckg | Small bug! |
| 17:47.47 | Cide | Tem: what do you mean? |
| 17:48.00 | Tem | so if you call GetInfo for numbers higher than GetNum returns you find the ones that aren't curently visible |
| 17:48.11 | Beladona | that doesn't explain the infinite loop though |
| 17:48.11 | Cide | oh, really? didn't know that |
| 17:48.12 | Kirov | Is it possible to modify the end condition of a for loop on the fly? |
| 17:48.25 | Cide | Kirov: no |
| 17:48.26 | Cide | (not that I'm aware of, anyway) |
| 17:48.26 | chuckg | I can tell you this. |
| 17:48.28 | chuckg | The mod always finds it's stuff. |
| 17:48.29 | chuckg | :| |
| 17:48.35 | Tem | Kirov, That's called a while loop |
| 17:48.36 | chuckg | Even if the header is closed. |
| 17:48.36 | Cide | while loops would be better for that, I would guess |
| 17:48.53 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:48.58 | Kirov | ok, moving on then |
| 17:49.43 | chuckg | Somehow, when I search for reagents in the craft frame it gets stuck in a loop; the buildreagentlistbyname is infinitely loop. |
| 17:49.51 | chuckg | But, using the same code on tradeskill frame, it is not. |
| 17:49.52 | chuckg | :| |
| 17:51.48 | AnduinLothar | FYI, more than you ever wanted to know about Sky: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=410428 |
| 17:53.06 | Beladona | chuckg: does it lock completely and not clear up, forcing end-task? or does it just lock and then clear up after a minute or two? |
| 17:53.17 | chuckg | Lock completely. |
| 17:53.22 | chuckg | Though I guess I could wait a few minutes. |
| 17:53.29 | chuckg | Usually if I tab out I can't even get back in. |
| 17:54.00 | Beladona | that would determine if it is an infinite loop, or if it is just processing tons of data but eventually ends |
| 17:54.40 | Beladona | I can't see anything in your code that would cause infinite, but I do see the possibility of it grabbing lots of data in a short period of time, simulating lockup |
| 17:55.50 | Beladona | personally, iw ould have stuck the code for the tradeskill and craft searching into separate functions, and then call those functions based on which you are doing. Makes debugging easier. But that is just me |
| 17:56.56 | Kirov | chuck - Unrelated to the infinite loop, but will fix the TradeSkill frame issue http://pastebin.ca/81609 |
| 17:57.09 | chuckg | What tradeskill frame issue? |
| 17:57.18 | Kirov | the for loop breaking early |
| 17:57.24 | chuckg | It doesn't. |
| 17:57.28 | chuckg | I know it looks like it should. |
| 17:57.29 | chuckg | But it doesn't. |
| 17:57.57 | chuckg | You can collapse every tradeskill header there is and search and it finds everything. |
| 17:58.04 | Kirov | odd |
| 17:58.05 | chuckg | Weird huh? |
| 17:59.05 | Beladona | this may sound crazy, but stick some AddMessage debug statements in, to see where it is getting to before it locks |
| 17:59.39 | chuckg | I did. |
| 17:59.44 | Beladona | and? |
| 17:59.49 | chuckg | It loops the buildreagentlist (the function I showed) twice, then locks. |
| 17:59.54 | chuckg | When it shouldn't run it more than once. |
| 17:59.54 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, how are the channel names generated? |
| 17:59.58 | wereHamster | .. in Sky |
| 18:00.20 | Beladona | then you problem probably isn't in this function |
| 18:00.26 | Beladona | it is in the code that calls that function |
| 18:01.39 | AnduinLothar | Sky is global, SkyGroup<LeaderName>, SkyGuild<GuildName> |
| 18:02.31 | AnduinLothar | anyone have any idea what being drunk does to chat in french, german, korean and chinese clients? |
| 18:02.57 | chuckg | ^^ |
| 18:03.03 | wereHamster | channel names clamped to how many characters? |
| 18:03.07 | chuckg | Some line of text .... ^^ |
| 18:03.30 | AnduinLothar | is that two carats or some character i cant see? |
| 18:03.32 | Cide | my guess would be same thing - at least for latin languages |
| 18:05.02 | AnduinLothar | none wereHampster afaik. Player names have their own character limit of 12 characters. And Guild names I think it just removes the spaces |
| 18:05.34 | wereHamster | my guild name is "Schneewittchens Gefahrten" .. wouldn't that be too long for a channel name? |
| 18:05.47 | wereHamster | .. it is too long ;0 |
| 18:05.54 | AnduinLothar | i am not aware of any channel name char limit, but i can check |
| 18:06.09 | Kirov | Anduin - I was looking through the french and german global strings, and neither have the SLURRED_SPEECH = "%s ...hic!"; line |
| 18:06.21 | Kirov | At least the old ones I was looking at didn't |
| 18:06.47 | Cide | SkyGuildReallyLongNameThatIsVer |
| 18:06.51 | Cide | that's the max limit |
| 18:07.06 | Cide | 31 chars? |
| 18:07.35 | AnduinLothar | makes sense, never been reported tho. I guess I'll have to limit it, not too hard |
| 18:07.38 | wereHamster | schneewittchensgefahrten12345678 -- is one char too long |
| 18:08.12 | AnduinLothar | the chances of you having two guilds with the same name up to 23 chars is unlikely |
| 18:08.26 | Kirov | Guild names are capped in length, as are player names. |
| 18:08.27 | AnduinLothar | on the same server on the same faction |
| 18:08.32 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:08.50 | Cide | pretty sure guild name limit is <23 chars |
| 18:09.17 | AnduinLothar | i could throw in guild leader's first character, but it's never been a problem b4.. |
| 18:09.19 | Cide | and you also have to remove any non-alphanumeric chars |
| 18:09.25 | Kirov | I believe it's 20 characters |
| 18:09.36 | Cide | AnduinLothar: you should be fine |
| 18:09.57 | Kirov | At least in the US |
| 18:10.02 | Kirov | Schneewittchens Gefahrten is 26 characters |
| 18:10.09 | Cide | hm, yeah |
| 18:10.15 | Kirov | er, 25 |
| 18:10.16 | AnduinLothar | ah ok. alex was smarter than i |
| 18:10.30 | AnduinLothar | it's capped at 20 characters with a bytesum of the remaining chars |
| 18:10.41 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:10.47 | Kirov | that works |
| 18:10.48 | AnduinLothar | guildName = string.gsub(guildName, "[^%w]", ""); |
| 18:11.14 | AnduinLothar | there you go. already taken care of |
| 18:11.35 | AnduinLothar | and i just added a sobriety filter and pipe protection |
| 18:11.44 | Kirov | One issue that was brought up yesterday, the (exceptionally rare) case that the channel is moderated and people are unable to join the data sync channel. |
| 18:11.46 | AnduinLothar | and now i'm off to help my mother |
| 18:11.57 | AnduinLothar | meh, never been a problem |
| 18:12.11 | AnduinLothar | if someone was devious and did it to the sky channel it could cause issues |
| 18:12.16 | AnduinLothar | but no one has |
| 18:12.24 | AnduinLothar | and until it becomes a problem... |
| 18:12.27 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:12.55 | AnduinLothar | and seeing as Sky's been in use with thousands of users for almsot 2 years.. |
| 18:13.01 | JoshBorke | anyone know if i can download WoW from blizzard? |
| 18:13.03 | Tem | then Hash the guild name |
| 18:13.33 | Tem | a number can represent >23 characters in a lot less |
| 18:13.42 | Cide | indeed |
| 18:13.49 | Cide | but it's quite overkill, in my opinion |
| 18:14.03 | Kirov | Yeah, it's just simply not going to be a big issue |
| 18:15.51 | Tem | ~drtan |
| 18:15.56 | Tem | ~drtran |
| 18:16.16 | Tem | ~dr tran |
| 18:17.17 | Kirov | ~tem |
| 18:17.19 | purl | I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 18:17.31 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:17.35 | Tem | aparently, I'm breaking purl |
| 18:17.51 | Cide | haha |
| 18:19.03 | JoshBorke | GD! STUPID CLEAR BUTTON! |
| 18:19.15 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 18:19.21 | Tem | angry much? |
| 18:19.21 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, with which characters do you replace 's' and 'S'? |
| 18:19.28 | Kirov | were - he poofed |
| 18:19.31 | wereHamster | I'm using two braille characters ;) |
| 18:19.36 | JoshBorke | don't you hate it when you accidently hit the clear button? |
| 18:19.41 | Cide | I use $ and § respectively |
| 18:19.46 | Kirov | Josh - what clear button? |
| 18:19.47 | Tem | what clear button? |
| 18:19.53 | Cide | 'the' clear button |
| 18:19.55 | JoshBorke | on forms that have a clear and a submit button |
| 18:19.58 | Cide | it wipes the whole world. |
| 18:20.02 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:20.05 | Cairenn | lol Cide |
| 18:20.06 | Tem | ... ow |
| 18:20.07 | Tain | Is it like the 'Easy' button? |
| 18:20.10 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:20.17 | Tem | ~tain |
| 18:20.18 | Tain | Oh no, I guess that's not like the easy button at all. |
| 18:20.24 | Tem | ~emulate tain |
| 18:20.26 | purl | On the list of people I'll accept development criticism from, you fall somewhere between Clippy, the MS Office assistant, and a bag of rocks. |
| 18:20.40 | Cide | ~emulate Cide |
| 18:20.42 | purl | Please remove this discussion from your consciousness. |
| 18:20.48 | Cide | :( |
| 18:20.52 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 18:20.53 | purl | Your question is not very descriptive, helpful, or useful in any manner. |
| 18:21.04 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 18:21.05 | purl | Your question is not very descriptive, helpful, or useful in any manner. |
| 18:21.17 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 18:21.18 | purl | You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself. |
| 18:21.29 | Tem | my favorite one ^^ |
| 18:21.30 | Cide | I love how the emulations are so dead on for him |
| 18:21.40 | Tem | They are direct quotes |
| 18:21.45 | Cide | yeah, I know |
| 18:21.48 | Tem | all of them |
| 18:22.02 | Cide | but they're quite perfect in saien's case |
| 18:22.07 | Kirov | I noticed Saien has a curious way of supporting his old addons now that he's quit wow... delete them from his web site and put up a polite equivalent to "fuck off" |
| 18:22.07 | Tem | heh |
| 18:22.28 | Cairenn | aka typical saien |
| 18:22.37 | Tem | that was his response to anything |
| 18:22.38 | wereHamster | What did Saien write? |
| 18:22.41 | Tem | even when he was playing wow |
| 18:22.55 | Kirov | AutoBar was his best known / most popular |
| 18:23.10 | End | uberquest and bgassist were two others |
| 18:23.15 | End | and equipmanager |
| 18:23.33 | wereHamster | I don't know any of those.. :-/ |
| 18:23.35 | Kirov | Curiously, his older version, while a UI nightmare, was more loved because it was highly configurable. |
| 18:23.46 | kergoth | autobar kicks ass |
| 18:23.50 | Kirov | He never, to my knowledge, posted them anywhere. |
| 18:23.54 | Kirov | apart from his own site |
| 18:24.02 | Shadowed | Think BGAssist was the addon that requested the scores as soon as they got the old score data |
| 18:24.05 | Kirov | Others posted it for him from time to time, usually to be removed. |
| 18:24.12 | End | he eventually did post them on ui.worldofwar.net after a while I noticed |
| 18:24.23 | End | he said it was because other people kept posting them "for" him anyways |
| 18:24.26 | Kirov | Was it actually him? |
| 18:24.28 | Kirov | ah |
| 18:24.45 | Kirov | I still use autobar, MCP, and Event Profiler |
| 18:24.53 | End | and of course, ui.worldofwar.net is down |
| 18:25.01 | End | oh, there it goes |
| 18:25.03 | Kirov | I may rewrite MCP if ckknight never does |
| 18:25.06 | End | it gave me Unable to connect to database at first |
| 18:25.07 | Shadowed | was on it like 30 seconds ago |
| 18:25.16 | End | yeah I reloaded and it was fine |
| 18:25.23 | Kirov | and Event Profiler has some annoying bugs. |
| 18:25.32 | wereHamster | Did anyone ever see Satrina in this IRC channel? |
| 18:25.39 | Cide | ~seen Satrina |
| 18:25.57 | purl | satrina <n=satrina@MTL-HSE-ppp173507.qc.sympatico.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 211d 18h 49m 40s ago, saying: 'woot'. |
| 18:25.57 | Shadowed | well that answers that |
| 18:25.57 | Cide | ~seen Cide |
| 18:25.59 | purl | cide is currently on #wowi-lounge (4h 23m 5s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen Cide'. |
| 18:25.59 | Cide | maybe I'm failing |
| 18:26.04 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:26.07 | End | or purl is a laggy little bot |
| 18:26.08 | Shadowed | Tem broke purl :( |
| 18:26.18 | Cide | well, there you go |
| 18:26.18 | Kirov | 211 days ago |
| 18:26.21 | Tem | purl had to look real far back to find Satrina |
| 18:26.24 | Cide | 211d ago, heh |
| 18:26.40 | Cide | ah yeah, it probably took a while |
| 18:26.51 | Cide | lots of scanning to do, I guess |
| 18:27.01 | Kirov | I want my last words purl remembers to be "fuck!" |
| 18:27.07 | Shadowed | ~seen Kirov |
| 18:27.12 | purl | kirov is currently on #wowi-lounge (1h 13m 26s). Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 11s, last said: 'I want my last words purl remembers to be "fuck!"'. |
| 18:27.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge KarlKFI (n=karl@ppp-68-120-82-112.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 18:27.20 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:27.36 | wereHamster | ~seen Shag |
| 18:27.38 | purl | wereHamster: i haven't seen 'shag' |
| 18:27.49 | Kirov | ~seen scoobydoo |
| 18:27.52 | purl | scoobydoo <ScoobyDoo@f223187.upc-f.chello.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 855d 18h 59m 48s ago, saying: 'http://www.gnugk.org/h323manual.html'. |
| 18:27.59 | Cide | 855d ago, haha |
| 18:28.11 | Kirov | wow, I didn't think that would work |
| 18:28.28 | Cide | well, I'm guessing it's in a lookup table, then |
| 18:28.32 | Cide | and purl was just slow |
| 18:28.40 | End | yeah, purl is randomly slow sometimes |
| 18:28.49 | End | ~botslap |
| 18:28.51 | purl | ACTION whimpers |
| 18:29.05 | Kirov | purl runs a porn server on the side |
| 18:29.14 | End | ~listpornplz |
| 18:29.16 | Kirov | ascii porn |
| 18:29.23 | Elkano | omg ^^ http://www.youtube.com/v/Xq88N7FYMUU |
| 18:29.46 | Kirov | um |
| 18:31.49 | Tem | Elkano, what does it say at the end? |
| 18:32.09 | Elkano | don't ask me, I don't speak that language |
| 18:33.01 | Tem | blah |
| 18:33.05 | Tem | any idea what it is? |
| 18:33.24 | Cide | dutch, I believe |
| 18:33.34 | Cide | pretty sure, anyway |
| 18:33.58 | Tem | aha |
| 18:34.18 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:34.21 | Cide | url is .nl in the end, too |
| 18:34.39 | Cide | hmm, a somewhat weird question, and I doubt there's a good answer |
| 18:35.17 | Tem | ? |
| 18:35.32 | Cide | I have a bunch of options, each with a unique identifier, which is its table key.. which is then saved in SV |
| 18:35.55 | Tem | ok |
| 18:36.06 | Cide | right now, I'm initializing the default table onload, so that that table is complete at VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 18:36.33 | Cide | that way, I can purge any old options that have been removed (by matching all SV keys against the default table and removing ones that don't exist) |
| 18:37.15 | Tem | so the default table has a different name and is not overwritten by the SV table at Vars loaded? |
| 18:37.20 | Cide | right |
| 18:37.25 | Cide | but I want to load the default options on demand (that is, when that option tab is displayed, and not earlier), which makes my way of purging old options obsolete |
| 18:38.02 | Tem | what's the difference? |
| 18:38.03 | Cide | I can't think of a good way to efficiently purge old options without requiring the user to click on all different option tabs (so that all options are loaded) |
| 18:38.20 | Cide | it would purge options that aren't loaded |
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| 18:38.37 | Tem | what's wrong with doing it at Var's loaded like before? |
| 18:39.10 | Cide | I don't want the default options to take up memory before they're needed (and they're only needed when the user manually clicks on that option category) |
| 18:39.28 | Tem | are the default options that huge that it matters? |
| 18:39.46 | Kirov | This is a CT mod |
| 18:40.07 | Kirov | my ct_raidassist.lua saved file is bigger than my biggest mod |
| 18:40.19 | Kirov | ;) |
| 18:40.31 | Tem | it's been a while since I've used CT stuff, but even CTRA can't have *that* many things to save |
| 18:40.39 | Cide | it's for ct_raidassist |
| 18:41.01 | Cide | so, that's at most.. ~50-75 options |
| 18:41.25 | Tem | Kirov, do you remember what made the SV file so large? |
| 18:41.47 | Cide | with option sets, that'd be up to (50-75) * numOptionSets |
| 18:41.47 | Kirov | my CT_RaidAssist.lua is 1800 lines |
| 18:42.06 | Kirov | 32k |
| 18:42.10 | Tem | oooh, option sets |
| 18:42.11 | Cide | CT_RaidAssist's SV is very ugly, which I'm improving, but still, the point remains |
| 18:42.38 | Tem | I forgot about those |
| 18:43.32 | Kirov | the sv saves things like debuff order, color, and localization strings |
| 18:43.51 | Kirov | And does so for every set |
| 18:45.16 | Kirov | the localization strings being saved in the sv never made sense to me |
| 18:45.45 | Cide | http://pastecode.com/1134 |
| 18:45.49 | Cide | it doesn't |
| 18:45.54 | Cide | (which is getting changed) |
| 18:47.24 | Tem | Alternative 2 is what I thought you were doing already |
| 18:47.36 | Cide | I am, right now |
| 18:47.39 | Tem | oh |
| 18:47.42 | Cide | which is what I'm trying to avoid |
| 18:49.18 | Cide | can't think of a good way to do it without filling in all the default options, heh |
| 18:49.38 | Cide | unless I make some kind of table that only consists of keys in use |
| 18:50.12 | Kirov | For a while I segmented out my options in to menu groups |
| 18:50.35 | Kirov | I ditched that since I only have 2 menus. =) |
| 18:50.46 | Cide | I'm looking at ~10 right now |
| 18:50.48 | Tem | Options? |
| 18:50.50 | Tem | what's that? |
| 18:51.34 | Kirov | Tem - Nothing you need to worry about. I hear some of the "girly" addons have them. |
| 18:51.52 | Tem | but but |
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| 18:52.00 | Tem | Slash commands are amateurish |
| 18:52.15 | Tem | (that's a bad point to join the conversation) |
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| 18:52.50 | Shadowed | So i'm guessing we have no way of figuring out if a user is alt tabbed out of the game? |
| 18:53.22 | Miravlix | nope, can't even figure out if they are on the toilet |
| 18:53.37 | Shadowed | Well there goes that idea |
| 18:53.40 | Kirov | I have slash commands for some of my smaller mods. I may make UIs for them eventually, but usually it's just for mods that I don't think any user would want to change the defaults for to begin with |
| 18:55.08 | Tem | Kirov, that was another Saien quote |
| 18:55.27 | Kirov | eek |
| 18:55.34 | Tem | (it was complete sarcasm) |
| 18:55.35 | Cide | slash commands are fine for simle on/off toggles, usually |
| 18:55.38 | Cide | simple |
| 18:55.51 | Cide | unless you end up having so many that the first ones scroll off the chat box ;) |
| 18:56.12 | Kirov | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3255-1-simplefeignhealth.html - an example of a mod with slash commands |
| 18:56.30 | Kirov | toggle on / off for showing party health |
| 18:56.49 | Kirov | and for dumping debug stats |
| 18:57.03 | Kirov | mainly for personal testing |
| 19:00.48 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:01.10 | Cide | GUI's are overkill for smaller mods, for sure |
| 19:01.18 | Cide | and even for larger mods without many options |
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| 19:03.06 | Kirov | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2251-1-simple-mouseovers-target.html - this, however, is getting a little long in the tooth |
| 19:03.23 | Kirov | I should of added a gui for it, but I'm lazy |
| 19:03.53 | Cide | the definition of a programmer |
| 19:04.00 | Cide | or part of it, anyhow |
| 19:04.27 | Kirov | yeah, but then this http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3471-1-ahn39qiraj-auto-mount.html not only did I make a ui for it, but it has a drop down menu |
| 19:04.45 | Kirov | masocism ftw! |
| 19:05.03 | kergoth | ~laziness |
| 19:05.04 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 19:05.48 | Kirov | most of my mods, more than 90% of the code is for the UI alone |
| 19:06.46 | Kirov | And most don't even have a gui of their own for the mod's actual functionality, it's just for the options |
| 19:09.13 | Shadowed | which is suprisingly easy to do! |
| 19:09.23 | Kirov | kergoth - I just wish there was a way to "embed" a LoD addon with out needing two directories |
| 19:09.59 | Kirov | like, have .toc files define two addons |
| 19:16.07 | Cide | I'm just making it all created dynamically with CreateFrame |
| 19:16.19 | Cide | a bit more work, but no need to make a separate addon |
| 19:16.23 | Kirov | How much does that really save though? |
| 19:16.44 | Cide | quite a bit, I'm sure |
| 19:16.45 | Kirov | I'd love to see a comparison of compiled lua to straight xml |
| 19:17.03 | Cide | it only creates actual elements when viewed |
| 19:17.23 | Kirov | right, but it's ends up being a lot of code |
| 19:17.36 | Cide | not really |
| 19:17.46 | Shadowed | It's dynamic, it must be good |
| 19:17.51 | Kirov | lol |
| 19:18.03 | Cide | true! |
| 19:18.10 | Cide | that reminds me of nurfed, heh |
| 19:18.21 | Cide | in any case, every option is a single call to CT_RaidAssist2:AddOption |
| 19:18.37 | Cide | and it's only called right before it's displayed |
| 19:19.04 | Kirov | Are you just rewriting the menu files? |
| 19:19.19 | Kirov | Or are you going to make my merge a pain again |
| 19:19.28 | Cide | oh |
| 19:19.32 | Cide | a merge will be quite a pain |
| 19:19.38 | Kirov | fun |
| 19:19.45 | Cide | I'm rewriting it from scratch, so go figure |
| 19:19.57 | Kirov | all of ctraidassist? nice |
| 19:20.05 | Cide | yes, it's been in dire need of one for a while :P |
| 19:20.41 | kergoth | lua bytecode is pretty damn compact. i wouldnt worry about code in your functions/files that isnt called until later, kirov |
| 19:20.50 | Cide | what are you modifying? I could make the things you're modified more abstracted, if need be |
| 19:20.51 | Kirov | After I finish up my STranq changes I've been thinking about working on a CT_BossMod addon |
| 19:20.52 | kergoth | meh |
| 19:20.54 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 19:20.55 | purl | One day I got caught with my hand down my pants at school, and I had to keep it there all week...What a week! |
| 19:20.59 | Kirov | Visual timers for everything. |
| 19:21.10 | Cide | visual timers is on my list to do too |
| 19:21.30 | Kirov | Basically a single, vertical scrolling timer. |
| 19:21.31 | Cide | s/list/list of things/ |
| 19:22.13 | Cide | Kirov: what're you modifying? |
| 19:23.03 | [Ammo] | Cide: have you checked out BigWigs yet? |
| 19:23.14 | Cide | not really, no. why? |
| 19:23.20 | Kirov | Cide - At the moment, nothing. But I was going to add two optional variables to the timer registration for a "full time" and name |
| 19:23.22 | [Ammo] | it's an all inclusive package for bossmods |
| 19:23.30 | Cide | I know what it is |
| 19:23.37 | [Ammo] | communicates over the CTRA or oRA package |
| 19:23.39 | [Ammo] | with visual timers and all |
| 19:23.46 | [Ammo] | s/package/channel/ |
| 19:24.03 | [Ammo] | for synchronization etc |
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| 19:24.43 | Kirov | damn, google is smart |
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| 19:24.59 | Kirov | it equates "wow" with "World of Warcraft" when searching pages |
| 19:25.07 | Cide | Kirov: well, I mean, you asked if your merge will be a pain |
| 19:26.34 | Kirov | Ah, my stuff tacks on to MTs, unit tooltips, and I have some extra functionality in the /ra functions ( /ralat latency check, and /razone lists numbers of people near by, /raitem shows how many items total, etc) |
| 19:27.33 | Kirov | MTs show a check mark next to the frame to show which one is the one you're targeting, as well as if that target has Hunter's Mark on it or not. |
| 19:28.05 | Cide | slash command handling will be largely the same (as things are looking right now, you'll only have to change the function calls to be CT_RaidAssist2:..., pretty much) |
| 19:28.10 | Kirov | unit tooltips show what that unit is targeting, and which MTs are targeting that same target.(and if it's your target) |
| 19:29.31 | Cide | as for your /ra functions, you'll have to rework those, but it should be much easier in the end |
| 19:29.35 | Kirov | Oh, and the aggro check shows a line of text on your screen that stays the entire time you have aggro instead of ticking every 15 seconds |
| 19:30.01 | Kirov | Uses a different sound as well. |
| 19:30.13 | Kirov | Alliance flag pick up vs. horde |
| 19:30.18 | Kirov | (faster sound) |
| 19:33.55 | Cide | seems like some good changes |
| 19:34.21 | Kirov | I might add the raid icon to the MTs as well |
| 19:34.34 | Cide | yeah, I'll add that too |
| 19:34.41 | snurre- | CTRA2 gonna be Ace2? :P |
| 19:35.14 | Cide | I'm afraid not :) |
| 19:35.18 | snurre- | :( |
| 19:35.20 | snurre- | *spanks* |
| 19:35.39 | kergoth | i wish we'd ditched the word 'ace'. its so different from Ace 1.x that its a completely different entity |
| 19:35.46 | [Ammo] | deuce! |
| 19:35.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:36.11 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/CTRASameAsTarget.jpg - why I made the check marks in the first place =) |
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| 19:38.23 | Wobin | Deuce! |
| 19:38.29 | Wobin | Deuce would have been so much better =) |
| 19:38.34 | JoshBorke | what the deuce?! |
| 19:38.53 | End | ~emulate stewie |
| 19:38.57 | purl | Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know, a pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that. |
| 19:39.15 | kaso| | cide have you ever put any info on your site about CTRA2? ive heard you talk alot but never heard about what fancy new features we'll have. |
| 19:39.38 | Cide | as far as ctra2 goes it's rather unofficial outside of this channel |
| 19:40.04 | Cide | we'll add a few new things, nothing's set in stone yet |
| 19:40.13 | kaso| | how boring :< |
| 19:40.15 | Cide | the major feature will be lowered cpu & memory usage |
| 19:40.33 | Cairenn | Little Deuce Coupe |
| 19:40.49 | Cide | you'll see quite a few new things though, I'm sure, but I don't have any details yet |
| 19:41.03 | JoshBorke | like raid target icons on the MT windows =D |
| 19:41.12 | Cide | it still feels as if I've barely begun coding it |
| 19:41.15 | Cide | JoshBorke: for example, yeah |
| 19:41.37 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): it's a tremendous undertaking if you ask me :-) more power to you cide :-) |
| 19:41.47 | snurre- | ctra2 should add something like perfectraidtargets :p |
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| 19:42.01 | Cide | JoshBorke: it is |
| 19:42.08 | Cide | snurre-: not familiar with what that is, so enlighten me please |
| 19:42.10 | [Ammo] | snurre-: why, you can just use prt if you want it :) |
| 19:42.20 | [Ammo] | it shows a list of all targetted enemies |
| 19:42.21 | Cide | JoshBorke: though I expect it to shrink a bit compared to ctra1 |
| 19:42.25 | [Ammo] | of the rest |
| 19:42.31 | [Ammo] | of the raid I mean |
| 19:42.35 | snurre- | shows amount of raid members who have targeted any given target |
| 19:42.39 | [Ammo] | with raidicons next to them if appropriate etc |
| 19:42.50 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): how much of the old CTRA is in CTRA1? ie, the unit health stuff, was that removed when blizzard added that functionality? |
| 19:42.52 | [Ammo] | and shows if marked, engaged in combat, crowd controlled etc |
| 19:42.59 | snurre- | and raid icons, which tank has targetted each, etc |
| 19:45.44 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): is CTRA2 backwards compatible with CTRA1? |
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| 19:46.45 | Cide | JoshBorke: what do you mean with the 'unit health stuff'? |
| 19:46.55 | Cide | JoshBorke: to some extent, not 100%, no |
| 19:47.12 | Cide | partly due to the fact that we want users to update as soon as possible |
| 19:49.04 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): when blizzard added the feauter for UnitHealth(raid<id>) so you can get the unit health all the time, don't remember what patch it was |
| 19:49.35 | Cide | oh, yeah |
| 19:49.38 | Cide | it has used that ever since |
| 19:49.47 | JoshBorke | ok, was just curious :-) |
| 19:50.08 | Cide | contrary to popular belief, ctra doesn't really send that much through the channel |
| 19:50.35 | JoshBorke | not anymore anyway. there isn't much to send |
| 19:51.07 | Cide | exactly |
| 19:53.13 | Kirov | Cide - is there a way to allow ctra messages to show up? |
| 19:53.38 | wereHamster | enable the channel in a chatframe |
| 19:53.40 | [Ammo] | Kirov: go to your general tab, go to channels and tick it |
| 19:53.41 | Kirov | apart from completely commenting out the hooked function |
| 19:53.49 | Cide | no... |
| 19:53.58 | Abenadi | I jumped in the middle of this conversation - there is a new ctraid? I don't see anything on ctmod or curse. |
| 19:54.00 | Cide | I hook ChatFrame_OnEvent to keep it from getting displayed that way |
| 19:54.06 | Cide | Abenadi: not yet for a month or three |
| 19:54.10 | Abenadi | ah |
| 19:54.16 | JoshBorke | wow, that soon? coolio |
| 19:54.27 | Kirov | Abenadi - mostly discussing possible improvements |
| 19:54.32 | Abenadi | i see |
| 19:54.33 | Cide | Kirov: not really |
| 19:54.51 | Kirov | to the options |
| 19:54.55 | Kirov | saving |
| 19:55.01 | Kirov | well, default options |
| 19:55.05 | Cide | Kirov: I could implement a way to do it for ctra2, sure, but I guess that's a bit off |
| 19:55.13 | Kirov | Which is where this started |
| 19:55.23 | Kirov | Cide - not really needed. |
| 19:55.41 | Cide | when I need to monitor traffic I just /rajoin test and then /join CTBlighted (our ctra channel) |
| 19:55.45 | Kirov | I was just curious if something existed |
| 19:56.33 | Kirov | Yeah, that's what I've done too |
| 19:56.34 | Tem | Cide, what is the syntax for setting an MT? |
| 19:57.08 | JoshBorke | heya Thrae |
| 19:57.17 | Cide | not really an easy way in ctra1 |
| 19:57.21 | Cide | well, kind of |
| 19:57.28 | Cide | CT_RA_MainTanks[mainTankId] = "Name" |
| 19:57.32 | Cide | that will take care of most things |
| 19:57.34 | Tem | nah |
| 19:57.37 | JoshBorke | oh no way! |
| 19:57.37 | Tem | I mean in the channel |
| 19:57.39 | Cide | oh |
| 19:57.41 | JoshBorke | i just died on a griffin |
| 19:57.48 | Cide | two ways |
| 19:57.49 | Tem | JoshBorke, drown? |
| 19:57.58 | Cide | SET mainTankID Name |
| 19:57.58 | Thrae | Interview went well. Maybe now I can finally get a full-time job. |
| 19:58.01 | JoshBorke | fatigue |
| 19:58.02 | Cide | SET2 mainTankID Name |
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| 19:58.10 | JoshBorke | logged in while on a griffin |
| 19:58.15 | Tem | what's SET2? |
| 19:58.17 | Cide | SET2 must be used for ID's above 5 |
| 19:58.25 | Cide | we originally only had 5, so SET only supports 1-5 |
| 19:58.33 | Cide | so I added SET2 for backwards compatibility |
| 19:58.57 | Cide | SET2 works for all 10, but the mod only uses it for 6-10 |
| 19:58.59 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.14 | Tem | I watch our CTRA channel all the time |
| 19:59.23 | Cide | I'll probably remove the promoted check for ctra2 ;) |
| 19:59.53 | Cide | you'll likely see... |
| 19:59.58 | Cide | ET number MainTankName |
| 20:00.01 | Cide | ET2 number MainTankName |
| 20:00.19 | Tem | aye |
| 20:00.30 | Tem | I really want to either escape all the stuff before it shows |
| 20:00.42 | Cide | yeah, I'm not 100% sure why it isn't displayed, actually |
| 20:01.14 | JoshBorke | lotta good the estimated wait time for in-game tickets is..."Wait time currently unavailable." |
| 20:03.43 | Kirov | Any one here a hunter? |
| 20:03.50 | Cide | I know one, why? |
| 20:04.10 | Kirov | I'm looking for input on STranq additions |
| 20:04.18 | Kirov | does TS use it? |
| 20:04.48 | Cide | yeah |
| 20:04.58 | Kirov | Also wondering if anyone uses the various Tranq Shot timers (Zanzer's or TSL) |
| 20:05.47 | Kirov | I'm adding ctra / sky syncing support, along with visual timers. |
| 20:05.55 | Cide | "tell him to put efforts in with us to get the fucking combat log range changed to 40 or 60 yards" :P |
| 20:06.08 | Kirov | hahaha |
| 20:06.25 | kaso| | when did they add IDLE_MESSAGE ? |
| 20:06.38 | Kirov | That would certaintly make frenzy checks easier |
| 20:06.52 | Cide | "it works fine, there isn't much to add...I guess he could do on-screen alerts spellalert style showing frenzy for mobs that frenzied but didn't have an emote, like the dragons in ubrs after vael" |
| 20:07.05 | Kirov | Seethers |
| 20:07.09 | Kirov | Yeah, probably adding that |
| 20:07.28 | Kirov | Also for the "spinny bitches" in AQ |
| 20:07.35 | Cide | "make it optional, of course" |
| 20:07.35 | Kirov | after Emps |
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| 20:08.56 | Kirov | I have to add an ignore filter anyways for the hallway up to Fankriss |
| 20:09.04 | Kirov | hehe |
| 20:09.11 | Cide | haha |
| 20:09.29 | Kirov | Did TS ever complain about that room? |
| 20:09.46 | Kirov | I had a nasty bug in one version that spammed the chat frame when ever they frenzied. |
| 20:10.02 | Cide | not to me |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | Basically, when ever I see a mob frenzy, I see if it's on the list of known mobs, and add it to the list. |
| 20:10.11 | Cide | he might have cursed silently |
| 20:10.37 | Tem | sounds like your raids are awesome |
| 20:10.40 | Kirov | However I keep the default list and the added list seperate, and I was only ever checking the default list, not the added list. |
| 20:11.12 | Kirov | And when ever I see a new mob, I message the chat frame to let people know something frenzied |
| 20:11.14 | Cide | Tem: I wish :) |
| 20:11.28 | Tem | what server are you guys on? |
| 20:11.34 | Cide | we were on alleria |
| 20:11.38 | Kirov | I think the screenshot of Expense History says a lot |
| 20:11.52 | Cide | but that guild is pretty much disbanded now |
| 20:12.05 | Cide | Kirov: hehe, which one? Ts'? |
| 20:12.18 | Kirov | Ts had spent 1000 g in 2 months or something |
| 20:12.27 | Kirov | Mostly in repairs |
| 20:12.35 | Cide | he was up to ~4k before we disbanded |
| 20:12.54 | Kirov | I just hit 1k gold after running the mod since it came out. |
| 20:12.59 | Kirov | fd + strip ftw! |
| 20:13.06 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/downloads/screenshots/CT_ExpenseHistory.jpg |
| 20:13.24 | Cide | his repair was something like 2.3g a death |
| 20:13.46 | Tem | that's crazy |
| 20:13.49 | Shadowed | i'll never use that mod |
| 20:13.56 | Tem | a full repair for me is like 13g |
| 20:14.00 | Kirov | Yeah, I'm 8/8 gs, brutality blade, doom's edge, blessed qiraji musket |
| 20:14.02 | Shadowed | Already spending 25g after every learning night, don't want to know how much i spend a month :p |
| 20:14.15 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/15 |
| 20:14.16 | Kirov | full repair is around 15 g |
| 20:14.33 | Shadowed | ~slap Kirov |
| 20:14.35 | purl | ACTION slaps Kirov, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:14.51 | Cide | not sure what mine is |
| 20:14.54 | Kirov | but I rarely have a full repair, usually around 5-6g |
| 20:15.04 | snurre- | nerf clothies |
| 20:15.07 | Cide | probably around 16-18 |
| 20:15.14 | snurre- | my full repair is like 30g |
| 20:15.29 | Cide | warrior/paladin? |
| 20:15.33 | snurre- | warr yeah |
| 20:15.43 | snurre- | http://ctprofiles.net/1652113 |
| 20:18.32 | Cide | ah, yeah |
| 20:18.35 | Cide | I'm glad I'm a priest |
| 20:19.04 | Kirov | My girlfriend's repair is something like 10g a pop ... as a priest |
| 20:19.28 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.41 | Kirov | mine |
| 20:20.17 | Kirov | I'm top in points up for the Drakefang Talisman, but the damn thing won't drop |
| 20:20.27 | Cide | what's your girlfriend's profile (if she has one)? |
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| 20:21.02 | snurre- | Kirov: know the feeling |
| 20:21.10 | snurre- | we went 4 months without a drop before i got mine |
| 20:21.19 | snurre- | spent 25 full MC runs worth of DKP on it |
| 20:21.40 | Kirov | Cide - she doesn't |
| 20:21.49 | Cide | too bad |
| 20:22.04 | Kirov | And she changes her gear around so much, I don't think she has a "main" set |
| 20:22.04 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:22.55 | Kirov | 8/8 trans, 8/8 prophecy, tons of other random peices, wands, priest epic staff, some spirit staff, etc. |
| 20:23.16 | Abenadi | anyone know of a function that will simply return the tooltip string of a debuff (not the name of the icon/texture)? |
| 20:23.42 | Cide | tooltip string? |
| 20:23.45 | snurre- | hm, wtb a way to link ctprofiles on my guild's website :p |
| 20:23.48 | Cide | meaning what? title? description? |
| 20:23.49 | Abenadi | ummm |
| 20:23.56 | Abenadi | title at least |
| 20:24.07 | Abenadi | prefer both |
| 20:24.08 | Kirov | Abenadi - you have to GetText() on the first line of a tooltip |
| 20:24.17 | Kirov | it's the only way |
| 20:24.20 | Cide | you need to use GameTooltip:Set... -> GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() |
| 20:25.05 | Abenadi | ok I think that helps |
| 20:25.18 | Abenadi | still a bit new to modding esp the UI portion |
| 20:27.00 | Kirov | The best thing to do is have your own hidden tooltip and set the debuff on it, then scan it for the information you need |
| 20:27.12 | Kirov | Instead of mucking with the existing GameTooltip |
| 20:27.28 | Abenadi | ok |
| 20:27.43 | Abenadi | it would be nice if I could get it without having to mess with UI elements at all but : / |
| 20:27.51 | Kirov | Yes |
| 20:27.55 | Kirov | Yes it would be |
| 20:28.41 | Cide | just make sure you call :SetOwner(WorldFrame, "ANCHOR_NONE") before trying to access any data |
| 20:28.45 | Cide | on the tooltip |
| 20:29.02 | Abenadi | ok |
| 20:30.55 | Kirov | oy, no pastebin =( |
| 20:32.15 | Wobin | pastebin.ca? |
| 20:32.23 | Kirov | cna't connect |
| 20:32.27 | Wobin | pastecode.com? |
| 20:32.34 | Wobin | (I think) |
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| 20:36.49 | Kirov | http://pastecode.com/1142 |
| 20:36.58 | Kirov | Abenadi - look at that |
| 20:37.10 | Abenadi | k sec |
| 20:37.31 | Abenadi | that's very helpful, TY |
| 20:37.36 | Kirov | Really all you'll likely need is MyAddonTooltipTextLeft1 and MyAddonTooltipTextLeft2 if you're scanning for debuffs |
| 20:38.06 | Kirov | And obviously you'll actually have to SET the tooltip before you scan it. =) |
| 20:39.27 | Kirov | Two things to know about "hidden" tooltips. |
| 20:39.28 | Kirov | NEVER hide it. |
| 20:39.28 | Kirov | NEVER parent it to a frame that can be hidden. |
| 20:39.47 | Cairenn | hey MentalPower, since you're on your U's connection right now, thus stable ... did you manage to catch any of the info folks were throwing at you last night about what the problems seemed to be |
| 20:41.31 | Abenadi | so how do I have a hidden tooltip that I never hide? |
| 20:41.51 | Kirov | Abenadi - "ANCHOR_NONE" |
| 20:42.27 | Kirov | Abenadi - that will make the ui engine not render the frame, but if you use :Hide() on it, the game won't let the tooltip recieve information |
| 20:42.38 | Cide | <GameTooltip name="MyAddonTooltip" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" parent="WorldFrame"> <Scripts> <OnLoad> this:SetOwner(WorldFrame, "ANCHOR_NONE"); </OnLoad> </Scripts> </GameTooltip> |
| 20:42.43 | Abenadi | i see |
| 20:43.14 | Kirov | Cide - I don't bother giving the tooltip a parent at all |
| 20:43.24 | Cide | I do, since I believe it's defaulted to UIParent? |
| 20:43.25 | Kirov | Not needed, since it's never rendered anyways |
| 20:43.51 | Cide | maybe not, I'm not sure |
| 20:44.06 | Kirov | The template has no parent defined |
| 20:44.14 | Kirov | only a framestrata |
| 20:44.19 | Kirov | and hidden=true |
| 20:44.26 | Tem | Cide, can you paste the character you use for "s"? |
| 20:44.35 | Cide | § ? |
| 20:44.39 | Tem | ya |
| 20:44.46 | Cide | want the code piece? |
| 20:45.36 | Tem | nah |
| 20:45.40 | Cide | okay |
| 20:45.44 | Cide | $ for 'S' |
| 20:45.50 | Tem | just writing a tiny addon to escape thos chracters |
| 20:45.53 | Tem | so I can see them |
| 20:46.04 | Cide | ctra should escape them, really |
| 20:46.05 | Wobin | A is for alpha, B is for Bourne, C is for Caine |
| 20:46.44 | Tem | go for it :) |
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| 20:50.33 | Tem | Cide, what's up with the $ at the end of a lot of messages? |
| 20:50.43 | Cide | hm? |
| 20:50.49 | Cide | never heard of that |
| 20:51.12 | Tem | V 1.535$ |
| 20:51.24 | Tem | RN 29 5 0$ |
| 20:51.47 | Cide | CT_RA_AddMessage("V " .. CT_RA_VersionNumber); |
| 20:52.42 | Cide | must either be a bug in the message sender, or something happens when receiving the message |
| 20:54.07 | Tem | it might be me |
| 20:54.11 | Tem | gonna test more |
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| 20:54.34 | snurre | meh, stupid french isp |
| 20:56.01 | snurre | btw, why does klhtm spam "threat 0" all the time? |
| 20:57.18 | Tem | because it's stupid? |
| 20:57.44 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 20:57.47 | Kirov | klhtm feels like a big crutch |
| 20:58.05 | Shadowed | Experience will always beat a mod |
| 20:58.05 | Kirov | it's an interesting project, but I just don't find it very useful |
| 20:58.09 | snurre | klhtm, sky and gem spams *so* much |
| 20:58.19 | Cide | what annoys me the most with those mods |
| 20:58.27 | Cide | is that most of them don't unflag for auto-remove afk |
| 20:58.28 | Shadowed | Thats not really a suprise. It's basically a live version of DM |
| 20:58.56 | Shadowed | But with a lot more calculating, i'd imagine it would get laggy at times |
| 20:58.58 | Cide | so you get spammed by "You're no longer AFK." "You are now AFK: Away from Keyboard." "You're no longer AFK." "You are now AFK: Away from Keyboard." etf |
| 20:59.03 | Cide | s/etf/etc/ |
| 20:59.21 | snurre | doing chatsearch on a player with all those installed.. omg, teh pain |
| 20:59.48 | Kirov | Cide - I have a mod that does that to me from time to time, I haven't figure out which mod it is |
| 21:00.09 | Thrae | "Too many upvalues (limit=32)" <-- what the HELL does this mean? |
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| 21:00.18 | mjc | heh |
| 21:00.26 | Wobin | Kirov: GEM? |
| 21:00.53 | Kirov | What is GEM? |
| 21:00.58 | Kirov | I can't remember |
| 21:01.09 | wereHamster | Guiold Event Manager? |
| 21:01.21 | Kirov | and no |
| 21:01.21 | Wobin | yeah |
| 21:01.29 | Wobin | I found that did it for my afk status |
| 21:01.51 | Wobin | Thrae: Using a recursive function? |
| 21:01.52 | Kirov | I use Damage Meters, CTRaidAssist ... and that's it |
| 21:02.07 | Kirov | (as far as channel spammy mods) |
| 21:02.10 | Wobin | I don't think DM would do it? |
| 21:02.23 | Wobin | Since it's more sync on demand? |
| 21:02.31 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 21:02.44 | Kirov | I might of had Skylight on when it was happening |
| 21:03.06 | mjc | might have |
| 21:03.07 | mjc | :p |
| 21:03.57 | Cairenn | then feel free to leave :p |
| 21:03.59 | Kirov | Me nows how too spel! |
| 21:04.42 | mjc | but not how to grammar |
| 21:04.46 | Kirov | Cairenn? |
| 21:05.01 | Abenadi | newest version of sw_stats seems like an improvement over damage meters |
| 21:05.06 | Cairenn | dun worry 'bout it, wasn't directed at you ;) |
| 21:05.15 | Kirov | me gramer be good |
| 21:05.53 | Cairenn | was just picking on someone |
| 21:05.53 | Cide | Kirov: I know that other DM mod does it... SWStats |
| 21:06.19 | Kirov | Oh, and Cide, I have about zero expectations of the combat log message getting moved to 40+ yards |
| 21:06.32 | Kirov | the bandwidth usage for that stuff has to be huge |
| 21:06.35 | kergoth | Thrae: an upvalue is a reference to a local thats outside the closure you're defining. i..e local a function b() return a end has one upvalue |
| 21:06.42 | Cide | I don't think it'll happen either |
| 21:07.08 | Kirov | And I have a feeling mod authors might not like it if it did |
| 21:07.29 | Kirov | There'd be an exponential increase in the number of messages to parse |
| 21:07.43 | mjc | what is combat log range now? |
| 21:07.48 | Kirov | ~ 20 yards |
| 21:07.59 | mjc | it should just show 40 people worth of combat log messages |
| 21:08.04 | mjc | that would fix it no? |
| 21:08.15 | mjc | of up to 41yrds distance |
| 21:08.25 | wereHamster | Why do people want to use damage meters? |
| 21:08.26 | Cide | that would likely be more heavy |
| 21:08.27 | mjc | since you can see people moving farther than that |
| 21:08.49 | mjc | wereHamster: have you ever played a dps class? |
| 21:08.54 | Shadowed | wereHamster: It was helpful during the days where you just tanked and DPSed |
| 21:08.56 | Cide | I'm sure the combat log range is limited by processing power, and not to smite users |
| 21:08.57 | wereHamster | no |
| 21:08.58 | Kirov | wereHamster - as a damage class I use it to make sure I'm staying up to par with the others |
| 21:08.58 | mjc | like rogue, fury warrior, etc |
| 21:09.11 | Shadowed | When I was raiding was a Rogue we'd always poke fun at eachother about how we're doing in DM |
| 21:09.20 | wereHamster | you just make as much dmg as possible, no? |
| 21:09.31 | mjc | wereHamster: there are different ways to do that |
| 21:09.31 | Shadowed | It's a whole competition thing for fun |
| 21:09.35 | mjc | everyone has different strategies |
| 21:09.42 | Shadowed | It's always good for figuring out who's slacking during like MC |
| 21:09.48 | Cide | some guilds use it to tell people who are lower than they should be to stop slacking |
| 21:09.48 | mjc | that too |
| 21:09.49 | Kirov | what shadowed said |
| 21:09.51 | Abenadi | in our MC run yesterday with T2-geared mains my holy priest was #6 on the meter o.O |
| 21:09.58 | Abenadi | used to get #1 to #4 as a shadow priest |
| 21:10.14 | Shadowed | I stopped using it once I rolled a Warrior though |
| 21:10.17 | mjc | shadow isn't that much of a dps boots anymore |
| 21:10.30 | Wobin | holy is pretty good nowadays |
| 21:10.31 | Kirov | It's an easy way to see if a hunter in the raid is just autoshotting, or if he's actually trying. |
| 21:10.42 | snurre | its one way of catching slackres |
| 21:10.43 | Shadowed | Or if your hunter is being out damaged by a paladin |
| 21:10.44 | snurre | slackers* |
| 21:10.46 | Shadowed | which actually happened once... |
| 21:10.47 | Kirov | If he's not, and continues to do so even after being warned, we replace him. |
| 21:10.48 | snurre | and it helps limiting your aggro |
| 21:10.54 | Shadowed | It doesn't really help for aggro |
| 21:11.01 | Wobin | I use it for healing |
| 21:11.02 | Kirov | Yeah, not really much for aggro. |
| 21:11.05 | kergoth | "Please don't press any key on the keyboard or move your mouse until this program has finished. Please press OK to continue." |
| 21:11.05 | mjc | sure it does, at least for my rogue |
| 21:11.13 | Wobin | So I can see overheal amounts etc |
| 21:11.15 | Shadowed | I never had issues with aggro for my Rogue, you just have to know your limits |
| 21:11.21 | mjc | I use nanostats for tha though |
| 21:11.23 | Shadowed | and how much you can trust your tank |
| 21:11.38 | Cide | we used it on broodlord when we were learning him |
| 21:11.40 | snurre | in end-game, both rogue and warr dps can easily outtaunt the maximum possible for the tank |
| 21:11.56 | Cide | to make sure that healers were relatively close to each other in healing done |
| 21:12.01 | Shadowed | If you're a Warrior it can, if you're a Rogue who knows your limits you're usually fine :p |
| 21:12.08 | Shadowed | salv + well timed vanish > DM! |
| 21:12.14 | snurre | lol, salv |
| 21:12.18 | Cide | grats on alliance |
| 21:12.20 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 21:12.22 | Wobin | hehe salv =) |
| 21:12.34 | Kirov | Alliance = easy mode! |
| 21:12.35 | Kirov | yay! |
| 21:12.37 | snurre | try doing the same with WF and see how easy it is |
| 21:12.38 | Wobin | Cide: Yeah, it's good to see those values |
| 21:12.49 | Shadowed | It'd be pretty easy after a while |
| 21:12.59 | Wobin | Although I compare the healed total with overheal percentages too |
| 21:13.02 | Kirov | We've had enough lazy paladins that I've learned how to dps with and without salv |
| 21:13.06 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:13.22 | Wobin | Just to see how efficient I am |
| 21:13.41 | Kirov | Also, enough dumb paladins to learn how to dps with out salv on me and with salv on the MT |
| 21:13.41 | Cide | I still doubt any mod can reliably measure overhealing |
| 21:13.45 | snurre | im using it mainly to evaluate my own performance tbh |
| 21:13.48 | snurre | rarely sync it |
| 21:13.55 | Wobin | Cide: It's not hard to measure the overhealing |
| 21:14.06 | Kirov | Cide - it's possible, it just requires everyone in the raid have it |
| 21:14.07 | Wobin | Cide: It's just hard to make something out of the numbers |
| 21:14.10 | Abenadi | even sct shows overhealing nowadays |
| 21:14.16 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:14.22 | Cide | but it's still not perfect |
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| 21:14.33 | Wobin | I have no problems with people overhealing,-if- they have the mana to support it |
| 21:14.49 | Cide | at least not when I tried |
| 21:14.53 | Wobin | but somehow we need to add in the time when they're OOM |
| 21:15.03 | Wobin | and figure out what's going wrong etc |
| 21:15.07 | Cide | it would get out of sync due to combat log + UnitHealth lag |
| 21:15.14 | Abenadi | my guildmaster is a huge overhealer so he insists on the 'raw healing' values : ) |
| 21:15.24 | Kirov | Cide - don't use the combat log |
| 21:15.30 | Kirov | UNIT_COMBAT |
| 21:15.36 | Wobin | Abenadi: Well, if he has a manapool that can hold it, then more power to him =) |
| 21:15.41 | Wobin | (and if people aren't dying) |
| 21:15.51 | Cide | Kirov: ah; I only experimented with it for an hour or so |
| 21:16.05 | Tem | Cide, just to clarify, $ == S and § == s? |
| 21:16.11 | Tem | or is it the other way around? |
| 21:16.24 | Shadowed | Overhealing is kind of required in a lot of the nax encounters anyway |
| 21:16.47 | Cide | other way around |
| 21:16.47 | Tem | k |
| 21:16.47 | Wobin | Shadowed: yeah |
| 21:16.53 | Tem | I can't get § to display |
| 21:16.54 | Cide | forgive me if I said the opposite before |
| 21:16.56 | Abenadi | overhealing is different from anticipatory healing |
| 21:16.59 | Shadowed | Patchwerk being a good example |
| 21:17.06 | Wobin | Abenadi: That's more precise =) |
| 21:17.19 | Wobin | Overhealing is more 'wasted' mana spent on heals |
| 21:17.28 | Wobin | anticipatory healing isn't 'wasted' =) |
| 21:17.36 | Shadowed | Your logic is not welcome here! |
| 21:17.56 | Wobin | overhealing is opinion after the fact |
| 21:18.05 | Cide | Tem: I use msg = string.gsub(msg, "§", "S"); to replace it back |
| 21:18.22 | Tem | ya, that's what I'm doing |
| 21:18.29 | Cide | instead of string.gsub(msg, "%$", "s") for $ |
| 21:19.14 | Cide | not sure why, then |
| 21:19.28 | Tem | no, I got it to work once I switched them out |
| 21:19.37 | Cide | oh |
| 21:19.46 | Cide | very well then :) |
| 21:19.50 | Tem | I just couldn't make the chat frame display a § |
| 21:20.25 | Cide | works fine when typing it into an editbox |
| 21:20.38 | wereHamster | ⢳ |
| 21:20.44 | Cide | not sure if it encodes it or something |
| 21:21.31 | Wobin | wereHamster: Absolutely! |
| 21:21.45 | wereHamster | did you recognise the character? |
| 21:21.56 | Wobin | not at all =) |
| 21:22.00 | Wobin | I saw nothing =) |
| 21:22.04 | wereHamster | it's braille :) |
| 21:22.11 | Wobin | ah, not in my font, it seems =) |
| 21:22.18 | Cide | I saw... |
| 21:22.19 | Cide | ⢳ |
| 21:22.27 | Wobin | ä½ å¥½ |
| 21:22.37 | wereHamster | yep.. that's what I'm using to replace 's' |
| 21:22.54 | Wobin | incidentally, why replace 's'? |
| 21:23.09 | Cide | because of when you're drunk |
| 21:23.13 | Kirov | Wobin - drunk slurring |
| 21:23.17 | Wobin | ah |
| 21:23.26 | Cide | I also filter out ... hic! |
| 21:23.38 | Wobin | It shouldn't filter to channels the drunkspeak =P |
| 21:23.50 | Wobin | since the channels are technically ooc |
| 21:25.13 | wereHamster | channel is ooc? |
| 21:25.30 | Cide | /gasp, you can't talk globally! |
| 21:25.46 | Cide | therefore, ooc! |
| 21:26.23 | wereHamster | I only know ooc as 'out of combat' ... that's why I am wondering how a channel can be ooc |
| 21:26.31 | Cide | out of character |
| 21:26.40 | Cide | roleplaying term |
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| 21:28.02 | Cairenn | wow, I've never heard ooc used as "out of combat" before |
| 21:28.13 | Cairenn | it's always meant "out of character" for me |
| 21:28.17 | Cide | it's used quite frequently for raiding |
| 21:28.23 | Cide | at least as far as my experience goes |
| 21:28.30 | wereHamster | ooc rezz |
| 21:28.50 | Cide | 'out of combat' is what I mean when I say 'ooc' 98% of the time, anyway :) |
| 21:28.51 | wereHamster | wasn't that possible during boss-fights in the early days? |
| 21:29.01 | Cairenn | must be new to WoW raiding then, since I've not done any of that and I've never seen it used in such manner in other games |
| 21:29.02 | Cide | not only early days |
| 21:29.12 | Cide | it worked until fairly recently |
| 21:29.18 | snurre | was fixed in 1.8 or so |
| 21:29.22 | snurre | or was it 7? |
| 21:29.25 | Cide | later |
| 21:29.28 | Cide | well |
| 21:29.39 | snurre | was in '05 iirc |
| 21:29.55 | Cide | I believe it was stopped the patch before, or the same patch as, AQ was released |
| 21:30.23 | Cide | actually, it was before |
| 21:30.49 | Cide | AQ was 1.9? so 1.8? |
| 21:30.58 | snurre | 1.9 |
| 21:31.37 | Shadowed | yeah 1.9 |
| 21:36.57 | Shadowed | annnd worldofwarcraft.com is down again |
| 21:37.17 | Shadowed | and it's back! |
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| 22:13.41 | Cide | hmm, does anyone know.. is PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED called when you die? |
| 22:14.32 | KarlKFI | wow forums just blow up? |
| 22:15.09 | Tarog | KarlKFI: still happy for me |
| 22:15.23 | KarlKFI | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.51 | Tarog | dunno |
| 22:16.51 | Tarog | Cide: Gimme 5 minutes and 30 seconds and I'll tell you |
| 22:18.13 | Cide | out of curiosity; does that give you a durability loss? |
| 22:18.22 | Tarog | probably |
| 22:18.28 | Cide | heh :) |
| 22:18.37 | Cide | though, I'm not sure if that will work |
| 22:18.41 | Cide | since you aren't in combat before you die |
| 22:19.09 | KarlKFI | probably called when you rez would be my guess |
| 22:19.09 | Tarog | :\ |
| 22:19.26 | Tarog | I'd doubt it would be called when you die |
| 22:19.49 | KarlKFI | if it does it's lying |
| 22:19.52 | Tarog | lemme find someone to duel |
| 22:20.01 | KarlKFI | dueling isn't death |
| 22:20.04 | Cide | let me see |
| 22:20.08 | Cide | I'm dying in a sec |
| 22:20.17 | Cide | it is indeed called |
| 22:20.22 | Cide | excellent :) |
| 22:20.26 | Kirov | Cide - Oh, random thing I ran across that might be nice to add (should give healers few heart attacks when dealing with hunter FD) |
| 22:20.46 | Kirov | GetRaidRosterInfo()'s return for isDead doesn't show 1 when a hunter is FD |
| 22:21.03 | KarlKFI | pain in the ass that you lose target of friendly hunters when they feign |
| 22:21.05 | Cide | GetRaidRosterInfo()'s return for isDead proved to be very inaccurate overall |
| 22:21.09 | Cide | when I tested it |
| 22:21.40 | Kirov | True, players who are out of range it doesn't seem to update correctly. |
| 22:21.44 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:21.48 | Kirov | And ghosts aren't "dead" |
| 22:22.01 | Cide | which is why the raid tab is red when players are rezzing sometimes |
| 22:22.17 | Kirov | I'm using it to test against FD only |
| 22:22.51 | Kirov | Another bug I've noticed in 1.11 is that hunters who are out of sight don't have their health / mana set to 0 when they FD |
| 22:23.03 | Kirov | And their life is still shown on mouseover |
| 22:23.32 | Wobin | That damn nightelf emocry of death =P |
| 22:23.48 | Kirov | Wobin makes me glad to be a dwarf every day |
| 22:23.57 | Wobin | Kirov: hehe |
| 22:24.09 | Wobin | So overly dramatic! |
| 22:24.26 | Kirov | OtheHunter: "YEAAARG!!" Girlfriend (priest): "Damn it! Who died?!" Me: "Just one of the hunters FDed" |
| 22:25.59 | Cide | I wish there was a better way of checking if a friendly target is FD'd |
| 22:26.16 | Cide | I think scanning buffs still is the most accurate, which kinda sucks |
| 22:26.22 | Kirov | Not really |
| 22:26.30 | Kirov | Since you can have the buff and not actually be FDed |
| 22:26.43 | Cide | hm? |
| 22:26.43 | Wobin | and it can take time for the buff to take effect I think =( |
| 22:26.48 | Kirov | And the UNIT_AURA / UNIT_HEALTH events are really badly out of sync |
| 22:26.50 | Wobin | (well to be scannable) |
| 22:27.24 | Kirov | Cide - if FD is resisted, the hunter doesn't FD, but they still get the buff AND the timer (and they'll die if they don't move for 6 minutes) |
| 22:27.55 | Cide | and UnitHealth returns correct health? |
| 22:27.59 | Kirov | Yes |
| 22:28.26 | Kirov | UnitIsDead() + FD Buff scan = FD |
| 22:28.26 | Cide | heh |
| 22:28.33 | Cide | well, that's what I'm doing |
| 22:28.36 | Kirov | or UnitHealth() == 0 |
| 22:28.42 | Cide | scan FD when UnitHealth == 0 |
| 22:28.45 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 22:28.48 | Kirov | That works |
| 22:29.04 | Kirov | Usually |
| 22:29.21 | Kirov | When hunters get back up from FD they appear to be "dead" for up to a second |
| 22:29.22 | Cide | yeah, I've never gotten it to work flawlessly |
| 22:29.49 | Kirov | For my Tranq Shot timer bars I do that additional RaidRoster check |
| 22:29.50 | Cide | it pretty much never flashes dead when just testing with 2 people |
| 22:30.04 | Cide | but as more people join the raid, and lag kicks in, 'dead' shows up more and more |
| 22:30.21 | Kirov | Cide - I can reproduce it with just myself, not in a raid. =) |
| 22:30.39 | Cide | well, I mean on the ctra unit frames |
| 22:30.44 | Kirov | I know |
| 22:31.06 | Kirov | But the events are lagged even when coming to the client for the hunter himself |
| 22:31.09 | Kirov | which makes things more annoying |
| 22:31.27 | Cide | heh, yeah, that must be annoying |
| 22:31.49 | Kirov | For the client I watch the casting bar |
| 22:31.58 | Kirov | Since it's initiated client side |
| 22:32.08 | Kirov | (and oddly never cancelled by the server) |
| 22:32.29 | Kirov | FD is a very, very odd beast |
| 22:32.41 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:32.45 | Cide | it basically tricks the game itself |
| 22:32.55 | Cide | which I guess is the easiest way to do it |
| 22:33.12 | Kirov | I have to wonder what that looks like in code. |
| 22:33.23 | Kirov | A hand full of random special cases just for FD |
| 22:33.41 | Wobin | or maybe an object that hooks all the query requests =) |
| 22:40.38 | Abenadi | you think that's weird think about spirit of redemption form for priests |
| 22:40.58 | Kirov | dead but not dead |
| 22:41.04 | Abenadi | yeah |
| 22:42.07 | Cide | as well as allowing the player to cast certain spells... without mana |
| 22:43.32 | Abenadi | but not all spells, and not all holy spells, just all healing spells, except for holy nova |
| 22:44.36 | KarlKFI | the no mana thing should be easy, they already had an object for that for clearcasting, no? |
| 22:44.58 | KarlKFI | just needed a new list of things that you CAN cast. |
| 22:45.59 | Abenadi | i was so glad when they changed shadowform to allow all spells EXCEPT holy instead of ONLY discipline and shadow spells |
| 22:46.09 | Abenadi | because before you couldn't even mount up or craft items in shadowform |
| 22:46.43 | cladhaire | Well those were two seperate issues |
| 22:46.51 | cladhaire | initially shadowform couldn't even cast disc spells |
| 22:46.57 | cladhaire | well some disc spells |
| 22:47.01 | cladhaire | it was very annoying = |
| 22:47.14 | Abenadi | I don't recall not being able to cast any disc spells |
| 22:47.55 | cladhaire | I'd have to remember what it was |
| 22:48.09 | Abenadi | some spells are kind of mixed around in the priest trees |
| 22:48.13 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 22:48.35 | Abenadi | like shackle undead is shadow, fear ward is holy, mana burn is a shadow spell in the disc tree |
| 22:49.01 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:49.01 | Abenadi | or is shackle undead disc? |
| 22:49.09 | Cide | yes |
| 22:49.12 | Abenadi | and mind vision is shadow i believe |
| 22:49.14 | cladhaire | just goes to show you that "talent panel" isn't "school" |
| 22:49.17 | Cide | all Mind * are shadow |
| 22:49.46 | Cide | pw: s is in disc, but is put on cooldown when getting a holy spell interrupted |
| 22:49.48 | Cide | cladhaire: yep |
| 22:49.58 | Abenadi | yeah same with dispel |
| 22:50.25 | Industrial | Anyone ever made a priest twink lv 29? PM me please |
| 22:50.30 | End | was power word: shield always a disc spell? even during beta? |
| 22:50.32 | cladhaire | Any other spells that can be cast on both hostile and friendly except dispel magic, mind vision, holy shock? |
| 22:50.36 | Cide | End: yes |
| 22:50.38 | Cide | well, no |
| 22:50.41 | Cide | it used to be Holy Word: Shield |
| 22:50.44 | End | hmm, I seem to remember hearing they were called h...yeah |
| 22:50.57 | End | but was it a holy spell? |
| 22:51.03 | End | or disc? |
| 22:51.08 | Cide | can't remember |
| 22:51.16 | End | hmm |
| 22:51.17 | Cide | all I remember was that I spammed it because there was no Weakened Soul component |
| 22:51.21 | End | hehe |
| 22:51.28 | Cide | and mind blast was instant cast and didn't have a cooldown for a while, either |
| 22:52.07 | Abenadi | they should have given NE priests an instant damage spell instead of starshards imo, and i'm a dwarf |
| 22:52.15 | cladhaire | Abenadi: I like starshards |
| 22:52.18 | End | starshars is nice |
| 22:52.20 | cladhaire | its a cheap arcane missile in BG |
| 22:52.24 | cladhaire | don't require facing. |
| 22:52.38 | End | anyways |
| 22:52.51 | End | as for pw:s getting cooldown when holy spells are interrupted... |
| 22:52.57 | End | remember, most disc spells are holy school of magic |
| 22:53.14 | Abenadi | well then is there even such a thing as disc school of magic? |
| 22:53.17 | End | no |
| 22:53.46 | End | I think starshards is disc, but that's arcane :P |
| 22:53.52 | End | so not even all disc are holy school |
| 22:53.59 | Abenadi | some expert tell me once and for all what the deal is with resistance to holy spells |
| 22:54.46 | cladhaire | Abenadi: What do you want to know? |
| 22:55.04 | KarlKFI | ok, well i have a Sky alpha... now the REAL project.. updating the docs.. |
| 22:55.08 | Abenadi | is player resistance to holy damage really 0? and can mobs have holy resist? |
| 22:55.31 | Cide | there is no such thing as 'holy resistance' |
| 22:55.36 | Abenadi | because i've had a level 40some mob resist my smite/holy fire when i'm wearing +4 to hit |
| 22:55.40 | KarlKFI | yeah, some mobs have it |
| 22:55.44 | cladhaire | Abenadi: For partial resists, yes. Every player has the same chance for a spell to OUTRIGHT hit/miss |
| 22:55.52 | cladhaire | No one can ever partially resist a holy spell |
| 22:56.01 | cladhaire | they get the inital hit/miss roll, which is reported as a resist |
| 22:56.07 | Cide | however, spells/effects that increase ALL resistances increase the chane to resist holy spells |
| 22:56.12 | Cide | s/chane/chance/ |
| 22:56.37 | Kirov | There's a return for holy spell resistance |
| 22:56.50 | Kirov | when looking at the player's resistances |
| 22:56.58 | Abenadi | so if I have +5 to hit in gear does that mean i will never miss a smite on a player who doesn't have +all resist gear on? |
| 22:57.19 | Shadowed | no holy resist though |
| 22:57.20 | Abenadi | assuming both of us are lvl 60 |
| 23:02.28 | cladhaire | Abenadi: No, as i udnerstand it there is ALWAYS a chance to miss. |
| 23:03.16 | Kirov | player vs. player |
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| 23:08.16 | Tem | Smite is holy damage |
| 23:08.21 | Tem | there is no such thing as holy resist |
| 23:08.31 | Tem | holy damage gets to bypass the resist check |
| 23:08.42 | Tem | only way to miss a holy spell is with the level check |
| 23:11.16 | cladhaire | I don't think thats true. |
| 23:11.28 | cladhaire | well the "level check" part |
| 23:11.33 | cladhaire | i agree on everything elose. |
| 23:11.33 | KarlKFI | mobs resist my holy spells all the time |
| 23:12.01 | cladhaire | yes, they get an initial roll, because EVERY spell has a chance to miss outright (which is reported as a resist) |
| 23:12.01 | KarlKFI | or you plain out 'miss' but that's diff |
| 23:12.04 | cladhaire | you will never have a holy spell partially resist, which is a true resist |
| 23:12.11 | KarlKFI | HoW in the face misses are hilalrious |
| 23:12.13 | Cide | pretty sure you have the base 5% |
| 23:12.23 | cladhaire | Cide: Thats my understanding |
| 23:12.33 | Cide | and then you can't reduce it below 1% with +hit |
| 23:12.36 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:12.38 | KarlKFI | it looks liek you tthrow it sideways |
| 23:12.40 | cladhaire | and you can't partially resist |
| 23:12.51 | KarlKFI | ok yeah, never seen a partial resist |
| 23:12.53 | Cide | does that make it binary? :) |
| 23:12.57 | cladhaire | Cide: hehe =) |
| 23:13.14 | Cide | since binary spells get higher resist rate to account for no partial resists, as far as I know |
| 23:13.31 | Cide | don't think that's the case for holy spells, though |
| 23:13.38 | cladhaire | i doubt it, holy is imba =) |
| 23:14.01 | cladhaire | i write pretty code when i'm drinking |
| 23:14.03 | Cide | I mind controlled a paladin in hearthglen the other day |
| 23:14.07 | cladhaire | i shoudol leave the party early and code tonight |
| 23:14.15 | Cide | used a holy strike or something |
| 23:14.17 | KarlKFI | that's why crusader + holy aura + priest == death |
| 23:14.31 | Cide | hit the target I was fighting (with my MC'd paladin) for like 1400, non-crit |
| 23:14.42 | Cide | I ended up killing it before my own target died |
| 23:15.25 | KarlKFI | er... not much hits for 1400 non-crit |
| 23:15.37 | Shadowed | execute! |
| 23:15.41 | KarlKFI | HoW can crit for that much |
| 23:16.18 | KarlKFI | or exorcism |
| 23:16.32 | Cide | it was an MC'd paladin |
| 23:16.35 | Cide | that is, a mob paladin |
| 23:16.40 | KarlKFI | oic |
| 23:16.51 | KarlKFI | nifty |
| 23:17.00 | KarlKFI | scarlet one? |
| 23:17.11 | Kirov | Cide - how does your raid handle hunter rotations? 2 by 2 or sequental? |
| 23:17.20 | Cide | for tranq? |
| 23:17.24 | Kirov | yeah |
| 23:17.47 | Cide | depending on the cooldown, we do 2 or 3 people that rotate |
| 23:17.52 | Cide | with one hunter on resists |
| 23:18.08 | Cide | (the fallback being the one with the highest +hit) |
| 23:18.23 | Kirov | ok, so the same way my guild works |
| 23:18.34 | Kirov | I'm always on back up duty. |
| 23:18.48 | Kirov | In the last 8 months I have had 17 missed shots |
| 23:19.11 | Cide | yeah |
| 23:19.13 | Kirov | All of them on the Anubisaths in AQ with the evil debuff and mini-Fankriss in AQ |
| 23:19.16 | Kirov | AQ20 |
| 23:19.30 | Cide | when ts rerolled with a new hunter |
| 23:19.37 | Cide | he was like 'this missing thing sucks' |
| 23:19.41 | Kirov | hehe |
| 23:19.49 | Kirov | New hunters we double up |
| 23:19.55 | Cide | I think he missed three times in 23k shots or something |
| 23:19.56 | Thrae | Is there an easy way to get the owner of GameTooltip? |
| 23:20.11 | Kirov | GetOwner()? |
| 23:20.19 | Kirov | (not sure that exists) |
| 23:20.21 | Cide | doesn't |
| 23:20.23 | Thrae | It doesn't :D |
| 23:20.39 | Kirov | then probably not. |
| 23:20.41 | Kirov | Why? |
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| 23:23.05 | Shadowed | Always a good sign when your internet just dies 30 minutes before a raid! |
| 23:28.21 | snurre | my connection always break at 5% boss hp |
| 23:28.29 | snurre | so i lose the loot im supposed to get |
| 23:28.44 | snurre | worst ive ever tried |
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| 23:35.53 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 23:40.33 | Tem | Cide, you around? |
| 23:40.37 | Cide | ya |
| 23:41.03 | Thrae | Dammit, I keep hitting the "upvalue limit" (which I guess is the number of references) |
| 23:41.06 | Tem | why do you broadcast version so much? |
| 23:41.23 | KarlKFI | how do you make a wiki page for deletion? |
| 23:41.26 | KarlKFI | mark* |
| 23:41.27 | Tem | is it something that's needed that much? |
| 23:41.40 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/templates/20-29/priest.html |
| 23:42.15 | Cide | Tem: not really, it's just that a status request is often done |
| 23:42.23 | Cide | and version is sent along with that |
| 23:42.37 | Tem | is there anything I can do to force a MT update? |
| 23:42.41 | Tem | does /raupdate do that? |
| 23:42.44 | Cide | yeah |
| 23:42.47 | Cide | which = status update |
| 23:43.08 | Tem | is there a channel spam that the client will respond to by doing a status updatE? |
| 23:44.18 | Tem | oh, also: What is RESSED#RESSED |
| 23:44.21 | Tem | NORESSED |
| 23:44.52 | Tem | (now that I can properly read my channel, I'm going to bug the hell out of you asking what stuff means) |
| 23:44.58 | Cide | RESSED is what displays "Resurrected" |
| 23:45.02 | Cide | NORESSED is what hides it |
| 23:45.14 | JoshBorke | stupid priests never res'ing |
| 23:45.46 | Cairenn | why is the rum gone?! |
| 23:45.51 | kergoth | :( |
| 23:46.26 | Wobin | Cairenn: Went and saw it did you? =) |
| 23:46.51 | Thrae | Cairenn: Maybe because there was a rather serious bug where you could get more then one "Filled Rum", and if you put both in a trading window and the other person hit "accept", both players would disconnect. |
| 23:46.54 | KarlKFI | damn, that's hawt... Peacekeeper Gauntlets with +30 healing |
| 23:47.08 | Cairenn | watching the first right now before going to see Dead Man's Chest tomorrow |
| 23:50.40 | Tem | god damn it's fun to link my [Staff of the Shadow Flame] in guild chat when the other casters mention the word "staff" |
| 23:50.50 | Wobin | My friends have promised me that they're waiting til I return to go watch it =) |
| 23:51.09 | Wobin | Tem: The Staff of Kings! You -ASTOUND- me Hero! |
| 23:51.28 | Tem | did I miss something? |
| 23:51.45 | KarlKFI | D2 |
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| 23:54.58 | Wobin | You have quite a treasure in that Horadric Cube! |
| 23:59.27 | KarlKFI | damn right, like another inventory bag |
