| 00:48.26 | Tem | damnit! TL chrommie 3 weeks in a row |
| 00:48.34 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.54 | Gngsk | TL chrom > * |
| 00:52.00 | gnorlish | TL lets you burn him down faster! |
| 00:54.58 | Gngsk | oooh yea! |
| 01:02.53 | Tem | yes, but our healers aren't good enough for TL |
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| 01:10.49 | gnorlish | :( have a priest assigned to dispel in back and shield + renew OT :( |
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| 01:13.36 | Shadowed | Sounds more like your warriors aren't doing a proper job :p |
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| 01:42.55 | Tem | ugh |
| 01:42.59 | Tem | my guild will not listen to me |
| 01:43.16 | Tem | they don't want to believe me that you can't tanklock green mobs |
| 01:43.22 | Tem | it just doesn't work |
| 01:46.20 | Shadowed | You can sort of |
| 01:46.29 | Shadowed | can at least get it to a point that you aren't going to half wipe if you get one |
| 01:48.23 | esp|Syn | green mob? |
| 01:48.39 | Shadowed | those giant guards in BWL |
| 01:48.48 | Shadowed | drake talon guards or something |
| 01:49.24 | End | ...why are they called green mobs? |
| 01:50.07 | Shadowed | Because green is a type of ability they can have |
| 01:50.20 | End | oh, so the green type of those guys specifically? |
| 01:50.29 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 01:50.40 | End | ookkay |
| 01:54.16 | Kemayo | So... I found Minimalist, and I like it. It does a lot of stuff which means that I don't need most of the CT mods any more. But: Is there anything else out there that does what CT_PartyBuffs does? |
| 01:58.45 | gnorlish | what is the green one weak to |
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| 02:11.58 | Tem | gnorlish, don't remember |
| 02:12.03 | Tem | but it's the one that sleeps |
| 02:12.11 | Tem | so our tanklock is getting sleeped |
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| 02:18.18 | Tem | as a result, I fucking hate phase1 nef |
| 02:18.30 | Kirov | ? |
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| 02:24.37 | Tem | yay for nef's lair crash bug |
| 02:27.13 | Tain | So this scourge invasion thing, it's supposd to go away after you win 150 battles? |
| 02:27.29 | Shadowed | yes |
| 02:27.38 | Shadowed | Kirov: Gluth frenzy is every 10 seconds |
| 02:27.44 | Tain | Apparently my server has won 40. |
| 02:27.56 | Kirov | Shadowed - any deviation? |
| 02:27.57 | Tain | And no one seems to care. |
| 02:28.16 | Tain | Pretty laissez-faire attitude about the scourge. |
| 02:28.16 | Kirov | Shadowed - Magmadar is 15-20 seconds, Huhuran is 10-30 |
| 02:31.23 | Shadowed | doesn't seem like it, seems to be 10 seconds |
| 02:32.03 | Kirov | Thanks |
| 02:34.28 | gnorlish | oh, i thought you meant trash mob greens |
| 02:34.30 | gnorlish | not phase 1 greens |
| 02:34.40 | Tem | lol Tain |
| 02:34.48 | Tem | we've been done for a few weeks :( |
| 02:35.10 | Tain | Well it's a new server, just up a couple months or something. |
| 02:35.21 | Tain | Just did Onyxia for the first time tonight in fact. |
| 02:36.53 | Tem | wow |
| 02:39.49 | Tain | Oh I was wrong, it's 35 battles won, and has been for a week. |
| 02:41.46 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:42.11 | Tain | Mornin Cairenn ;) |
| 02:42.26 | Cairenn | home again home again |
| 02:47.37 | MentalPower | wb Cair |
| 02:47.42 | MentalPower | how was your weekend? |
| 02:47.51 | Cairenn | good |
| 02:48.06 | Cairenn | yours? |
| 02:48.57 | Tain | Ok I like this MikScrollingBattleText but that font has to go. |
| 02:49.06 | MentalPower | so far so good |
| 02:49.12 | Cairenn | good to hear :) |
| 02:49.26 | Cairenn | so which isp connection are you currently on? |
| 02:50.47 | MentalPower | my main one |
| 02:50.54 | MentalPower | the one that ws giving issues |
| 02:51.19 | MentalPower | but, as always, the cable company is comming tommorrow so its behaving itself |
| 02:51.36 | Cairenn | lol, always the way |
| 02:52.05 | Thrae | MentalPower: That's because they turned off the Porn Channels for 1 day -- 300% more bandwidth. |
| 02:52.17 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:54.29 | MentalPower | BTW, Cair, you might be interested to know that other than our own website, the new auctioneer is only available on WoWI (for now) |
| 02:55.25 | Tain | I downloaded it from wowi! |
| 03:00.40 | Shadowed | die gluth die |
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| 03:20.29 | Shadowed | so apparently gluth can randomly bug out... |
| 03:20.54 | Gngsk | surprised? |
| 03:22.00 | Shadowed | not really, it looks like it's a fairly rare bug that you can't really exploit |
| 03:22.17 | Kirov | So, you won by him bugging out? |
| 03:22.39 | Shadowed | no, you can't really exploit it to win |
| 03:26.59 | Shadowed | When he bugs out it doesn't last long enough that you can kill him with it, unless you get him to like 10-20% health, but by that point you're either close to winning or you would have won |
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| 03:36.28 | KarlKFI | Wardrobe-AL 1.84 http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4471 |
| 03:36.40 | Cairenn | cool |
| 03:37.19 | KarlKFI | I figured since it had 1000x as many downloads as Sky it might be important to keep it running. |
| 03:38.08 | KarlKFI | tho i still wish there was a way to see how many downloads there were for each version... |
| 03:38.45 | KarlKFI | cause 21458/11 revisions... isn't especially accurate |
| 03:39.04 | KarlKFI | anyway... |
| 03:39.09 | KarlKFI | back to partying |
| 03:39.17 | Cairenn | have fun! :) |
| 03:40.49 | MentalPower | is there any way to see the convos made over the weekend on this channel |
| 03:40.57 | Cairenn | ~logs |
| 03:41.03 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 03:41.09 | KarlKFI | they're public thanks to purl |
| 03:41.09 | MentalPower | I kinda wanna see the ones about the raid comm library/protocol |
| 03:41.17 | Cairenn | the actual reason for purl being in here |
| 03:41.18 | KarlKFI | no you dont |
| 03:41.21 | Tem | yay! Nef down x3 |
| 03:41.25 | Cairenn | all the bot abuse aside |
| 03:41.46 | Thrae | ~abuse |
| 03:41.48 | purl | i guess abuse is http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-abuse.php or RFC 2142 or echo Shut your festering gob, you tit! | mail abuse |
| 03:42.01 | Thrae | ~botsnack |
| 03:42.01 | purl | Thrae: aw, gee |
| 03:42.24 | KarlKFI | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=406803 is most of it |
| 03:45.10 | Cairenn | if I had the option of a party or here ... what on earth are you doing still here KarlKFI? |
| 03:46.54 | Cairenn | lemme guess, now you guys'll want me to turn in my geek membership card or something, right? :p |
| 03:47.55 | Shadowed | yes |
| 03:49.28 | MentalPower | you can still be an honoraru member :) |
| 03:50.36 | MentalPower | s/honoraru/honorary/ |
| 03:50.45 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 03:50.45 | purl | aw, gee, MentalPower |
| 03:51.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:51.48 | Shadowed | It could also be a boring party and he needed a break! |
| 03:58.16 | Tem | OK, so our first trip ino AQ40 |
| 03:58.21 | Tem | this should be.... interesting |
| 03:58.30 | gnorlish | get ready to mana burn |
| 03:59.46 | Tem | already did him |
| 03:59.52 | Tem | on the anubis things now |
| 04:00.09 | gnorlish | get ready to detect magic and have shadowstorm + mana burn rape your face |
| 04:00.27 | Tem | sweet |
| 04:04.35 | Tem | easy |
| 04:05.56 | Tem | oh damn |
| 04:06.00 | Tem | and there's the prophet |
| 04:06.16 | Shadowed | Tem: Have fun |
| 04:06.30 | Tem | can't wait :) |
| 04:06.48 | Shadowed | Give it an hour or two, that'll chang e:p |
| 04:06.51 | Shadowed | s/chang e/change/ |
| 04:07.50 | Tem | new content is the win |
| 04:15.29 | Kirov | Cide - you around? |
| 04:15.34 | Cide | ya |
| 04:17.07 | Kirov | ckknight and I came up with a human readable drunk protection scheme |
| 04:17.46 | Kirov | To the user, it still apears "drunk"ified, but hidden data gets added to the msg that can be used to strip out the changes |
| 04:20.38 | Cide | well, is it necessary? |
| 04:21.33 | Kirov | probably not |
| 04:22.39 | Kirov | Oh, and for afk, do you use the hidden channel/ |
| 04:22.47 | Cide | what do you mean? |
| 04:23.03 | Kirov | How do you know when someone is afk? |
| 04:23.09 | Cide | two ways |
| 04:23.19 | Cide | ctra sends a message through the channel |
| 04:23.39 | Cide | and if the person says anything, it checks the <AFK> flag |
| 04:25.02 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/Addon_Comm_Protocol#Sobriety_filter |
| 04:25.43 | Kirov | I'm going to be sending some data through the chat channel in a human-readable fastion (setting up tranq rotations) |
| 04:25.51 | Kirov | fashion |
| 04:27.11 | Kaelten | arg, why has my bag support suddenly broken |
| 04:27.29 | Kirov | Blizzard hates you? |
| 04:27.43 | Kaelten | must be |
| 04:27.57 | Kaelten | for some reason I don't understand the bank portion is suddenly not working |
| 04:33.49 | Kirov | Cide - another random question, what happens if you wait for the "left channel" message event to join? |
| 04:34.16 | Cide | I believe AnduinLothar said it could take up to ~8 seconds |
| 04:35.20 | Kirov | After that message, or for the message to show? |
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| 04:43.28 | Dolby-wowi | Hey Cairenn |
| 04:43.33 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:43.36 | Dolby-wowi | darn storm knocked me off |
| 04:47.41 | MentalPower | what happens if you do "tostring(someFunc)" in Lua? |
| 04:49.43 | Kaelten | I think you get a string similar to Table: 33FF30F |
| 04:49.57 | Kaelten | or something like that |
| 04:51.03 | Kirov | function: 12541G33 |
| 04:53.26 | Tem | lol |
| 04:54.00 | Tem | 22% on our first Skeram pull |
| 04:54.10 | Tem | we're *so* going back for another pull |
| 04:56.52 | Kaelten | anyone ever seen this before: GFWTooltip.lua:243: Unknown link type |
| 04:56.52 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.47 | Tem | Gazmik Fizwidget |
| 04:58.17 | Kaelten | ya I know that, I'm wondering why calling SetHyperlink would cause that |
| 04:58.18 | Tem | and that's what happens when you call tooltip:SetHyperlink() with bad arguments |
| 04:59.00 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 04:59.01 | gnorlish | once you kill skeram |
| 04:59.10 | gnorlish | don't turn in any insignias or anything to the questgivers |
| 04:59.16 | gnorlish | save them for when you're 2999/3000 neutral |
| 04:59.23 | gnorlish | b/c after that you don't getr rep from trash |
| 04:59.45 | Shadowed | what he said |
| 05:13.23 | Tem | The Prophet Skeram yeilds to Shadow Tribe after only 1 learning attempt. |
| 05:14.00 | MentalPower | gratz |
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| 05:17.03 | Shadowed | Fun loot Tem? |
| 05:17.24 | Tem | Staff of the Not as good as Shadow Flame |
| 05:17.48 | Cairenn | congrats Tem |
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| 05:18.09 | Tem | and the awesome DPS warrior chest |
| 05:19.00 | Shadowed | gimmie your warriors name so i can go steal it |
| 05:19.14 | gnorlish | are you going to attempt the trio |
| 05:19.19 | gnorlish | if so i will stave off sleep |
| 05:19.23 | gnorlish | so i can hear your screams |
| 05:19.41 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:20.04 | Tem | nah, we're shutting down |
| 05:20.13 | Tem | we just went in for shits |
| 05:20.16 | Tem | killed Nef early |
| 05:20.36 | Tem | so we were like "what the hell; lets go screw around in AQ40" |
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| 05:22.27 | gnorlish | the difficulty ramps up slightly after skeram |
| 05:22.41 | gnorlish | he's there to lull you into a false sense of security |
| 05:22.50 | Shadowed | It's not *that* bad until you hit huhu |
| 05:22.53 | Shadowed | then you'll start crying |
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| 05:28.27 | Cairenn | YAY! |
| 05:28.37 | Shadowed | ? |
| 05:28.39 | Shadowed | oh |
| 05:28.43 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:28.50 | Cairenn | I beat him into submission ;) |
| 05:28.52 | Shadowed | how much did you have to hurt hm? |
| 05:28.55 | Shadowed | s/hm/him/ |
| 05:29.11 | Cairenn | not as much as he wanted though ;) |
| 05:29.26 | Shadowed | more then i wanted to hear! |
| 05:29.31 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 05:37.26 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:37.33 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
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| 05:51.13 | Shadowed | oh yay |
| 05:51.19 | Shadowed | no more SQ/A requirement for realm transfers |
| 05:51.46 | Cairenn | SQ/A? |
| 05:51.56 | Shadowed | secret question/answer |
| 05:52.08 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:52.34 | Shadowed | that thing that everyone makes up and forgets a day later |
| 05:52.46 | Shadowed | s/makes up/types random stuff in for/ |
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| 06:06.08 | Cairenn | night guys |
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| 06:06.38 | KarlKFI | yay, i win |
| 06:06.40 | KarlKFI | night cair |
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| 06:07.31 | AnduinLothar | muah ha ha |
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| 06:08.55 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:09.36 | AnduinLothar | yo |
| 06:09.58 | AnduinLothar | so... bijou and coins are no longer used for zg items... are the primal hakkari things still used? |
| 06:10.10 | Shadowed | yes |
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| 06:10.32 | AnduinLothar | so it's a primal hakkari and a thing off of whom? |
| 06:11.16 | AnduinLothar | i know the enchants are doll + jindo/raptor-dude item |
| 06:11.39 | Shadowed | bloodlord :p |
| 06:11.47 | Shadowed | Primal hakkari and rep i think |
| 06:12.10 | AnduinLothar | you;d think i'd know his name, since i've had his halberd for a year now |
| 06:12.45 | Shadowed | 99% sure you just need the primal hakkari and rep |
| 06:12.50 | AnduinLothar | kk thx |
| 06:13.18 | AnduinLothar | did they change them recently or are the items still the same as when you used bijou and coins? |
| 06:14.23 | Shadowed | You use them for rep and basically ZG flasks |
| 06:14.25 | Shadowed | changed in 1.11 |
| 06:14.32 | Shadowed | or maybe 1.10 |
| 06:14.54 | AnduinLothar | any good list or do i have to find some updated place and look up the quests individually |
| 06:15.01 | AnduinLothar | is it updated on the wiki? |
| 06:15.41 | AnduinLothar | ah ha http://www.wowwiki.com/Primal_Hakkari |
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| 06:19.39 | AnduinLothar | Do they now show what classes they are for or did they not add that? |
| 06:19.47 | AnduinLothar | ont he item tooltip |
| 06:20.03 | AnduinLothar | oh it does, nm then |
| 06:20.08 | Shadowed | they show what class it's for |
| 06:21.10 | AnduinLothar | good, i can remove it all from regent helper then |
| 06:22.41 | Tem | oh man |
| 06:22.49 | Tem | there's gonna be a snotty post on the forums |
| 06:22.51 | Tem | real real soon |
| 06:23.01 | Shadowed | ? |
| 06:23.10 | Tem | we just annihilated the horde plow group |
| 06:23.22 | Tem | at 2/3 we turtled in their flag room |
| 06:23.23 | Shadowed | haha |
| 06:23.27 | Shadowed | mean |
| 06:23.39 | Tem | it's the type of crap they'd do to us |
| 06:24.14 | AnduinLothar | what's the name of the addon that used to have options and a right click menu for the xp bar? |
| 06:24.15 | Tem | back when we didn't get organized for pvp |
| 06:25.51 | Shadowed | no clue |
| 06:26.59 | AnduinLothar | xptogo |
| 06:27.12 | AnduinLothar | mmm, that's not it |
| 06:28.49 | Shadowed | Why do people start posting /sign when it was said you shouldn't like 5 pages back |
| 06:29.17 | AnduinLothar | well... i cant find it.. so i'll write one.. |
| 06:30.01 | AnduinLothar | tired of havign to go to the silly char window then rep window then sellecting one and checkign a box |
| 06:30.07 | AnduinLothar | dropdown menu ftw |
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| 07:02.26 | Shadowed | 45 baron run is funw ith pugs |
| 07:02.41 | AnduinLothar | ew |
| 07:03.53 | Shadowed | So far we've had one wipe, 3 unneeded pulls, and 2 pulls of the result of a druid shifting and moving at the same time |
| 07:03.54 | Shadowed | and we only just killed baroness! |
| 07:04.19 | Elessdy | shifting and moving at the same time? |
| 07:04.24 | Elessdy | this is a problem? :o |
| 07:05.03 | Shadowed | it is when you run into other mobs while doing it :p |
| 07:05.16 | Elessdy | hahah |
| 07:07.00 | Shadowed | they even have MC epics :( |
| 07:07.12 | Elessdy | i remember a few wipes in ZF due to patrols |
| 07:07.23 | Elessdy | and/or bad planning, whatever you want to blame it on |
| 07:07.55 | AnduinLothar | there's 2 hard areas in 45 min. if you wipe anywhere else you just suck :) |
| 07:08.08 | Shadowed | More like crappy tank :p |
| 07:10.28 | Shadowed | note to self |
| 07:10.32 | Shadowed | move fear button away from renew button |
| 07:10.39 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 07:10.45 | AnduinLothar | clicking ftw |
| 07:11.17 | AnduinLothar | wheee, that addon too 10 min to write.. |
| 07:11.22 | AnduinLothar | why did no one make it before.. |
| 07:12.16 | AnduinLothar | this must be why i'm nearing my 40th addon.. |
| 07:12.27 | AnduinLothar | it's a sickness |
| 07:12.52 | Shadowed | how many of those are 10 minute addons though |
| 07:13.06 | AnduinLothar | mmm, 5 or 6 i spose |
| 07:13.10 | AnduinLothar | maybe more |
| 07:13.21 | AnduinLothar | they used to take more liek a few hours |
| 07:13.39 | AnduinLothar | this thing has more code than chatscroll.. |
| 07:13.45 | Shadowed | haha |
| 07:13.51 | AnduinLothar | and chatscroll was one of the earlier ones |
| 07:14.20 | AnduinLothar | prior to wiki days |
| 07:16.50 | AnduinLothar | this ones over 100 lines.. |
| 07:17.25 | AnduinLothar | course it gets to the point i've already written half the code and just have to cut and paste it from my other addons and change names |
| 07:17.37 | AnduinLothar | and my standard structure I don't even have to think about |
| 07:18.22 | Elessdy | Chatscroll, by AL; Textscroll, by AL; Chatscroller, by AL; Autoscroll, by AL... |
| 07:18.30 | Shadowed | lol |
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| 07:20.10 | AnduinLothar | something like that |
| 07:20.26 | AnduinLothar | ChatEdit was fun tho |
| 07:20.33 | AnduinLothar | nice and super complicated |
| 07:22.18 | Shadowed | wheeee |
| 07:22.20 | Shadowed | this run gets better and better |
| 07:23.07 | AnduinLothar | i've never actually done a pug one under the time limit |
| 07:23.29 | AnduinLothar | but i've walked through it in 30 miin before with guildies |
| 07:23.56 | Shadowed | oh I knew we would fail at the start |
| 07:24.14 | AnduinLothar | kinda sad that you need epics and a guild to be able to get the .5s ... |
| 07:24.28 | Shadowed | :( |
| 07:24.37 | Shadowed | I enjoy doing a 45 minute baron run while 2h zerker tanking though |
| 07:24.56 | AnduinLothar | i love doing 45min with 3 pallies and 2 priests |
| 07:25.13 | AnduinLothar | holy damage aura + crusader = teh win |
| 07:25.16 | Shadowed | lol |
| 07:25.24 | AnduinLothar | aoe everything |
| 07:26.08 | Shadowed | the runs with like AQ40/BWL gear are fun just for the absurdity of it though |
| 07:26.29 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 07:26.42 | Shadowed | the 45 minute run doesn't seem much like a pug run, more like something that you need to find a group of people to learn how to do it |
| 07:26.51 | Shadowed | even if they are 5 pugs, still has to be given time to learn and play together for a week |
| 07:37.22 | Shadowed | druid in cat form wearing full cenarion is pretty funny though |
| 07:37.54 | AnduinLothar | meow |
| 07:39.23 | Elessdy | my druid wore pants. he was funny. |
| 07:40.40 | Shadowed | wipe #3, first wipe in the new instance! |
| 07:41.19 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 07:41.55 | Shadowed | cause of wipe: Mage aggroing a group! |
| 07:42.25 | AnduinLothar | aww... Too many Buttons in UIDropDownMenu |
| 07:43.27 | AnduinLothar | bye bye header... bye bye spacers.. |
| 07:44.00 | AnduinLothar | crappy menu... they even added dynamic frames and some lazy ass couldn't make the menu have infinite buttons |
| 07:44.31 | AnduinLothar | w/e this way there's zero to localize |
| 07:44.32 | Shadowed | Though that lazy ass is slouken? |
| 07:44.52 | AnduinLothar | nah, the lazy ass that hired slouken and can't hire anyone else |
| 07:45.08 | Shadowed | always wondered why it was only slouken |
| 07:45.11 | Shadowed | what ever happened to that new person? |
| 07:45.43 | AnduinLothar | onyl thing i heard her specificly doign was the addon tutorial |
| 07:45.52 | Shadowed | ah, though she was suppose to help slouken out |
| 07:45.58 | Shadowed | then she disappeared |
| 07:46.01 | AnduinLothar | i assume she's worked under slouken to do some of the more recent dynamic stuff tho |
| 07:46.15 | AnduinLothar | but i have no proof |
| 07:46.20 | AnduinLothar | i applied for the job |
| 07:46.37 | AnduinLothar | she had experience in the game industry |
| 07:46.53 | Shadowed | you have cosmos though |
| 07:47.31 | Shadowed | although i guess they don't consider that much |
| 07:48.10 | AnduinLothar | no idea about the actual programmers, but in the QA dept is wasn't thought of very highly |
| 07:49.05 | AnduinLothar | i actually had my bosses boss talk to me and tell me he hoped I wouldn't be a security leak and that Cosmos had a reputation for being very 'forward thinking' |
| 07:49.27 | Shadowed | From what you said QA sounded "at war" with the programmers |
| 07:49.46 | Shadowed | or maybe it was didn't communicate well or something like that! |
| 07:49.54 | AnduinLothar | mmm, not really at war, just completely different departments |
| 07:50.00 | Kalroth | Q&A is usually at war with programmers on all projects :p |
| 07:50.01 | AnduinLothar | and ya, zero comm |
| 07:50.14 | Kalroth | "This is an error!" - "No it's not, it's supposed to work like that!" |
| 07:50.22 | AnduinLothar | they cut off our abbility to offer suggestions before i got there |
| 07:50.24 | Shadowed | wipe #4! |
| 07:50.56 | AnduinLothar | and my boss didn't really liek it that i was in email contact with slouken, tho he'd never say it to my face |
| 07:51.59 | Shadowed | Fear from rockwing things + adds = win |
| 07:52.29 | ckknight | okay, how many users are on at once on an alliance-side server? online, not total |
| 07:52.55 | Shadowed | 524,913 |
| 07:52.57 | AnduinLothar | i dont have census running |
| 07:53.46 | ckknight | rough estimate? |
| 07:54.55 | AnduinLothar | not a clue... |
| 07:55.00 | Shadowed | would be kind of hard to give a rough estimate :p |
| 07:55.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=mhowell@60-240-163-81.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:55.15 | AnduinLothar | i can get the # of people in LFG i spose |
| 07:56.48 | ckknight | that'd be a nice start :-) |
| 07:57.16 | ckknight | I'm trying to work out the mathematics of transfer rates |
| 07:57.38 | AnduinLothar | 773 |
| 07:57.51 | AnduinLothar | at 1am |
| 07:58.18 | Tem | there were 4000 in the LFG on my server earlier today |
| 07:58.20 | Tem | round 11pm |
| 07:58.31 | Tem | ok, I'm off to bed |
| 07:58.34 | Tem | was fun guys |
| 07:59.16 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:59.19 | ckknight | I'll go with 4000 |
| 07:59.24 | ckknight | that seems reasonable |
| 07:59.42 | Wulf4 | use /who to find out :) |
| 08:00.01 | Shadowed | pwho is limited to 49 :p |
| 08:00.16 | Wulf4 | you have powerful filters ;) |
| 08:00.25 | AnduinLothar | http://imagebin.org/5583 |
| 08:01.21 | AnduinLothar | now... curse of wowi... |
| 08:01.25 | AnduinLothar | or both.. |
| 08:01.50 | AnduinLothar | since i think net has me on autoaccept.. |
| 08:02.09 | Shadowed | i'd bet on auto accept |
| 08:02.49 | Shadowed | one way to find out |
| 08:06.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=Wobin@221.220.187.68) |
| 08:07.11 | AnduinLothar | ok, so maybe i'm not on auto-accept, oh well... stupid waiting.. |
| 08:08.25 | Shadowed | I think we just got a warrior who has no shield to tank... |
| 08:08.27 | ckknight | is there a limit to the amount of members in a certain WoW channel? |
| 08:08.31 | Shadowed | Updates on # of wipes in 5 minutes! |
| 08:08.42 | Shadowed | ckknight: Besides doing the checks and kicking people yourself i don't think so |
| 08:08.57 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:09.16 | Shadowed | I guess if you wanted to do something crazy you could set a password when it hits the limit and remove it once someone leaves! |
| 08:09.32 | ckknight | so theoretically, 4000 players could be in CommGlobal |
| 08:09.43 | ckknight | :-) |
| 08:09.47 | AnduinLothar | if they liked the name enough to join it :P |
| 08:09.58 | ckknight | what's wrong with the name? |
| 08:10.46 | AnduinLothar | not much. cept that my brain wants to say GlobalComm every time i look at it |
| 08:10.54 | Shadowed | same |
| 08:10.56 | AnduinLothar | and i'm not dyslexic in the least |
| 08:11.08 | Shadowed | It probably wouldn't be *that* hard to implement a limit, I guess |
| 08:11.16 | ckknight | well, it's in the Comm namespace, and the Global channel within that |
| 08:11.22 | Kirov | Personally I think the name of the global channel should be DaBesdDatuhChanulEva111 |
| 08:11.45 | AnduinLothar | i fully unsterstand why it was chosen, but it neither rolls of my tongue nor fits in my brain |
| 08:11.54 | ckknight | yea, I understand |
| 08:12.01 | ckknight | but it probably won't matter anyway |
| 08:12.05 | ckknight | it's a hidden channel :-P |
| 08:12.15 | AnduinLothar | and i'm violently oppossed to the group channel saying raid or ra |
| 08:12.23 | Shadowed | why's that? |
| 08:12.29 | AnduinLothar | cause i wanna use it in groups |
| 08:12.38 | ckknight | I do agree with you, AL |
| 08:12.48 | AnduinLothar | and there are two types of groups... parties and raids |
| 08:12.50 | ckknight | but I mean, what's the harm with having a party and calling it a raid? |
| 08:12.57 | AnduinLothar | it's... wrong |
| 08:12.59 | ckknight | especially on the backend |
| 08:13.02 | Shadowed | Doesn't Blizzard do that sometimes? |
| 08:13.19 | AnduinLothar | no... blizzard's wrding is very specific |
| 08:13.39 | AnduinLothar | and i think API and standards SHOULD be very specific |
| 08:13.42 | Shadowed | If I wasn't in a raid and had to heal, i'd go find something that maeks no sense for it's naming :p |
| 08:13.46 | AnduinLothar | and say what they mean |
| 08:14.05 | Shadowed | Time to let this stupid Warrior die with all the buffs he has! |
| 08:14.29 | AnduinLothar | heck. it's bothering me that i just added raid capibilities to ArcanePartyBars |
| 08:14.35 | AnduinLothar | makes me wanna rename it.. |
| 08:14.41 | AnduinLothar | but that'd be a pain int he ass |
| 08:14.47 | ckknight | yea, branding is a pain |
| 08:15.01 | ckknight | my whole BossPanel -> FuBar change was a pain |
| 08:15.03 | MoonWolf | Shadowed, you are kidding on that warior right ? |
| 08:15.07 | ckknight | better sooner than later, though |
| 08:15.20 | Shadowed | MoonWolf: My main is a Warrior. this guy refuses to put a shield on and is D/Wing :p |
| 08:15.21 | AnduinLothar | which is why i'm complainign about the channel name now |
| 08:15.29 | MoonWolf | even a dps warrior has a shield and a one handed weapon should he need it |
| 08:15.34 | MoonWolf | well |
| 08:15.36 | Shadowed | he says he has one |
| 08:15.37 | MoonWolf | the dps warriors i know anyway. |
| 08:15.44 | Shadowed | I'll just "accidently" let him die |
| 08:16.09 | MoonWolf | decen tanking is NOT hard to do |
| 08:16.16 | AnduinLothar | rawr... i don't liek this "Bar Mods" section on wowi.. |
| 08:16.23 | MoonWolf | good tanking takes a bit more but. |
| 08:16.35 | AnduinLothar | what if i don't want to make it a bar.. what if it's round |
| 08:16.36 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 08:16.40 | AnduinLothar | does the xp bar count? |
| 08:16.45 | ckknight | can you tell how many people are in a certain channel? |
| 08:16.52 | MoonWolf | chaninfo |
| 08:16.52 | AnduinLothar | or is it only the unitframe bars or is it action bars.. |
| 08:16.53 | MoonWolf | or somehting |
| 08:17.06 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.07 | MoonWolf | it is possible. |
| 08:17.38 | AnduinLothar | Sky can parse all the names in a list for you and then you can itterate the table |
| 08:17.58 | AnduinLothar | local i=0 |
| 08:17.58 | AnduinLothar | for k, v in SkyUserList["LookingForGroup - City"] do |
| 08:17.59 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.59 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 08:17.59 | AnduinLothar | Sea.io.print(i) |
| 08:18.06 | Shadowed | MoonWolf: If you ignore your healers request to put a shield on, you deserve to die ! :p |
| 08:18.14 | MoonWolf | well |
| 08:18.15 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 08:18.23 | Shadowed | And I enjoy doing it! |
| 08:18.34 | MoonWolf | if the fight is going badly i agree |
| 08:18.48 | MoonWolf | i let a warrior do whatever he wants if everything is going fine |
| 08:18.59 | MoonWolf | (he keeps agro, i can keep the party alive) |
| 08:19.11 | Shadowed | I'll do it just to teach him a lesson, shouldn't show up in an instance D/Wing without even asking or trying a shield first to test how your healers are :p |
| 08:19.15 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, that's cool, I'm just developing the protocol, though |
| 08:19.22 | ckknight | if you port Sky to use it eventually, that'd be cool |
| 08:19.26 | AnduinLothar | there's no builtin api way no |
| 08:20.02 | ckknight | ah |
| 08:20.03 | ckknight | damn |
| 08:20.05 | MoonWolf | if your healers tell you that you have to drop zerker stance/use a shield |
| 08:20.06 | MoonWolf | do it. |
| 08:20.17 | AnduinLothar | i still dont liek the table of registration... i think that's excedingly silly and a good thing to have an embeddable addon do.. |
| 08:20.18 | ckknight | cause I want to have throttling based on the number of users in a channel |
| 08:20.28 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, but it's a protocol, not a library |
| 08:20.30 | AnduinLothar | why.. |
| 08:20.39 | AnduinLothar | why throttle based on users? |
| 08:20.46 | ckknight | I'm writing up the mathematics now, |
| 08:21.07 | MoonWolf | ever tried handeling 400 messages per second and NOT lag your interface ? |
| 08:21.08 | ckknight | I have a proper formula and everything explaining why |
| 08:21.13 | Shadowed | Thorttling it based on users so everyone doesn't lag down from parsing everything? |
| 08:21.20 | AnduinLothar | sure, get a raid to use APB |
| 08:21.24 | ckknight | APB? |
| 08:21.26 | ckknight | Shadowed, right. |
| 08:21.30 | AnduinLothar | ArcanePartybars |
| 08:21.33 | ckknight | why? |
| 08:21.41 | ckknight | I don't want to use it, why force me? |
| 08:21.41 | AnduinLothar | MoonWolf>ever tried handeling 400 messages per second |
| 08:21.46 | MoonWolf | no' |
| 08:22.01 | MoonWolf | sound s like a bad idea to me. |
| 08:22.27 | AnduinLothar | ok, so prolly only 40 per second, but w/e |
| 08:22.47 | ckknight | I'm almost done the math. |
| 08:22.48 | AnduinLothar | when handling involves a single regex it's inpercetable |
| 08:22.56 | AnduinLothar | inperceptable |
| 08:23.02 | AnduinLothar | i dunno abotu 400 |
| 08:23.40 | ckknight | okay, so is there a way to get the current # of users in a specified channel? |
| 08:23.42 | AnduinLothar | just take DamageMeters.. |
| 08:23.49 | AnduinLothar | no ck |
| 08:23.52 | ckknight | damn. |
| 08:24.03 | AnduinLothar | have to parse the multiple /chatlist responses |
| 08:24.06 | Wobin | KTM |
| 08:24.10 | Shadowed | Why must you guys talk about interesting stuff when i can't talk easly :( |
| 08:24.18 | ckknight | Shadowed, hehe. |
| 08:24.42 | Shadowed | What would be sent into the CommGlobal channel that 4,000 people would be doing at once though? |
| 08:24.52 | AnduinLothar | something very poorly written |
| 08:25.07 | Shadowed | Well, at that point you can't do much except yell at the person who did it |
| 08:25.17 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.21 | Shadowed | well and that |
| 08:25.59 | AnduinLothar | whats the diff between "General GUI Mods" and "Miscellaneous" |
| 08:26.08 | AnduinLothar | those both sound liek catch-alls |
| 08:26.31 | MoonWolf | one has GUI and one does not have to have a GUI |
| 08:26.46 | AnduinLothar | but it doesn't say Non-Gui Miscellaneous |
| 08:26.46 | Elkano | well, if CommGlobal is meant to be a channel which addons can use to communicate faction wide, the messages from ItemDB's DistChat could be an example |
| 08:27.02 | Shadowed | Well, even then I just can't see everyone using it |
| 08:27.28 | MoonWolf | a /reload registrating mod would be misc, a reload command added to the system menu is gui mod ? |
| 08:28.04 | AnduinLothar | registrating? |
| 08:28.20 | Shadowed | When you talk about thorttling by users we're talking like 4,000 people doing a Damage Meter sync kind of thing i'm guessing? |
| 08:28.20 | Elkano | well, if there are 4k people in that channel, they are all using an addon that wants to use that channel. so in worst case, all these addons could send sth simultainious |
| 08:28.26 | Shadowed | s/thorttling/throttling/ |
| 08:28.36 | AnduinLothar | oh god, please no global syncs |
| 08:28.36 | [Ammo] | what moonwolf means: if it only has a /reload slashcommand, it's a miscelaneous mod |
| 08:28.42 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 08:28.49 | [Ammo] | if it has a big red button => gui mod |
| 08:29.00 | ckknight | Shadowed, it'd be more like 4000 characters using FlagRSP |
| 08:29.04 | ckknight | or MyRoleplay |
| 08:29.05 | ckknight | or whatever |
| 08:29.26 | AnduinLothar | none of which should be using the global channel imo |
| 08:29.33 | MoonWolf | we don' t have to take into account what they use, but if they sistuation might arise (i think it might) and what can we do about it ? |
| 08:29.34 | Shadowed | AnduinLothar: It was just an example :p |
| 08:29.36 | AnduinLothar | maybe FlagRSP |
| 08:29.48 | MoonWolf | situation* |
| 08:29.57 | Shadowed | Well, if the situation arises isn't it more likely due to bad coding? In which case you should talk to the person who did it |
| 08:30.01 | AnduinLothar | if it were prefixed with the bg name and # |
| 08:30.15 | AnduinLothar | which would only ever get a max of 19 responses |
| 08:30.18 | Wobin | anyone have a page where I can convert unicode characters to the \123\456 format? |
| 08:30.19 | Shadowed | What does FlagRSP do anyway? |
| 08:30.24 | Elkano | well, but isn't that the purpose of the lib? to not have all these addons use their own channel? |
| 08:30.46 | ckknight | Shadowed, sends info to others that give your middle/last name, your color eyes, etc. |
| 08:30.53 | Wobin | Shadowed: It's a role playing addon |
| 08:30.58 | AnduinLothar | i did write a lib, but the anti-lib peopel dont want a lib so they're makign a 'protocol' |
| 08:30.59 | MoonWolf | Shadowed, add character surnames, titles, discriptions and all that stuff its mostly a roleplaying tool |
| 08:30.59 | ckknight | http://www.wowwiki.com/Addon_Comm_Protocol#Message_throttling |
| 08:31.09 | MoonWolf | its sucessor is myroleplay |
| 08:31.19 | Wobin | Anyone? |
| 08:31.26 | Wobin | Unicode converter? |
| 08:31.27 | Shadowed | Overall it seems like trying to protect against a 5% chance |
| 08:31.30 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, because we don't want to be limited to just 1 library when we _could_ use a protocol |
| 08:31.31 | AnduinLothar | i have one bookmarked at home.. |
| 08:31.43 | ckknight | please read the message throttling section |
| 08:31.46 | Elkano | 5% is 1:20... |
| 08:31.48 | Wobin | Was it something like Document Sans Accent? |
| 08:31.54 | ckknight | I have mathematics and stuff explaining why and everything |
| 08:31.57 | Shadowed | I'm making up numbers while trying to heal :p |
| 08:32.07 | Shadowed | Give me a break! |
| 08:32.28 | AnduinLothar | theorhretical math proves nothing |
| 08:32.30 | MoonWolf | Shadowed, shut up and press the flashheal/greater heal/prayer of healing button. |
| 08:32.39 | AnduinLothar | spelling failure, system stutdown |
| 08:32.48 | Shadowed | MoonWolf: I'm hitting greater heal and alt tabbing out |
| 08:33.05 | Corrodias | STFU AND GET BACK TO HEALING, HEALBOT |
| 08:33.05 | ckknight | spelling failure |
| 08:33.06 | ckknight | ? |
| 08:33.12 | AnduinLothar | play a pally, we only have 1.5 heal buttons |
| 08:33.43 | Shadowed | this warrior wont frickin die :( |
| 08:33.53 | AnduinLothar | chat more noob |
| 08:34.19 | Shadowed | I have to let him die and make it look like an accident, can't do it on purpose or he'd be dead |
| 08:34.22 | AnduinLothar | lern2suxorz@healz |
| 08:34.43 | AnduinLothar | start dpsing |
| 08:34.51 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 08:34.53 | Shadowed | good idea |
| 08:34.54 | MoonWolf | Shadowed, accidentaly press the wrong rank |
| 08:35.00 | Shadowed | O |
| 08:35.09 | AnduinLothar | spam it and run outa mana |
| 08:35.11 | Shadowed | lol |
| 08:35.35 | MoonWolf | increase the pause between your heals. |
| 08:35.40 | AnduinLothar | 4k, 3k, 4k, 4k... oops i'm otua mana... how'd that happen? |
| 08:35.46 | Shadowed | The warrior is pretty stupid, he waits for me to say go *every* *single* *time* |
| 08:36.10 | MoonWolf | priests need a reverse life tap |
| 08:36.18 | AnduinLothar | use your zandalar hero charm to increase your thorns |
| 08:36.18 | MoonWolf | mana tap.. exchange mana directly for hp |
| 08:36.27 | Shadowed | I don't have a Zandalar hero charm :( |
| 08:36.41 | AnduinLothar | moofire! |
| 08:36.51 | Shadowed | I'm a Priest! |
| 08:37.02 | zenzio | Moofire? Is that a tauren ability? |
| 08:37.04 | Shadowed | lol |
| 08:37.20 | AnduinLothar | oh right... PoH? |
| 08:37.26 | Corrodias | tauren druids ftw |
| 08:37.38 | AnduinLothar | Holy Nova! |
| 08:37.40 | MoonWolf | Shadowed, go dps, holy nova ftw. |
| 08:37.58 | MoonWolf | people will blame you, but the tank still dies. |
| 08:38.02 | Shadowed | lol |
| 08:38.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 08:38.38 | Shadowed | problem is we have a druid here who's been healing a little too, it's hard to kill the warrior or he'd be dead like 30 minutes ago :( |
| 08:38.59 | MoonWolf | pesky backup healers |
| 08:39.03 | MoonWolf | usually i love them |
| 08:39.10 | AnduinLothar | tell him to dps, you know he wants to |
| 08:39.16 | MoonWolf | but i guess it makes it a bit annoying now. |
| 08:39.20 | Shadowed | he is, but he's smart enough to switch out when needed |
| 08:39.23 | AnduinLothar | I've got a fever... |
| 08:39.33 | Shadowed | I think i'll go with rank 1 flash heal and if he says i'm not healing, i'll say "I was using max rank heal, you must havehad a 75% healing debuff" |
| 08:39.34 | AnduinLothar | and the only perscription is MORE MOONFIRE! |
| 08:40.02 | Wobin | Nah, More Cowbell still fits better with the tauren shammy theme |
| 08:40.09 | Wobin | That was the name of my tauren guild |
| 08:40.14 | MoonWolf | more windfury! |
| 08:40.49 | Shadowed | damn you backup healer |
| 08:40.50 | Shadowed | damn you |
| 08:41.38 | MoonWolf | i don' t think the oom trick works with a smart druid |
| 08:41.46 | MoonWolf | he is going to innervate you. |
| 08:41.49 | Shadowed | he hasn't yet |
| 08:41.53 | Elkano | ok, found a design flaw with the Comm protocol: you are in a group, you lose connection, you are kicked out/leader changes, you rejoin -> old group channel will most likely not be left |
| 08:42.19 | MoonWolf | Elkano, this is something that the addon should handle |
| 08:42.21 | [Ammo] | that's not something the protocol deals with that's what your embed deals with |
| 08:42.30 | Shadowed | How would it handle it? Check for offline? |
| 08:42.37 | [Ammo] | the protocol specifies how the library should handle things |
| 08:42.58 | sedatedChipmunk | however you want to handle it |
| 08:43.00 | ckknight | okay. |
| 08:43.01 | [Ammo] | you login -> you join a party -> it swaps the channels, shouldn't be aproblem |
| 08:43.07 | ckknight | I'll add it to the protocol. |
| 08:43.19 | Shadowed | What if they don't come back? |
| 08:43.22 | Wobin | aye, when you relogin, you 'rejoin' the party/raid |
| 08:43.23 | sedatedChipmunk | a ping on enter, maybe |
| 08:43.26 | ckknight | the first addon that handles hooking and whatnot, should leave all CommRa* and CommGu* channels |
| 08:43.28 | Elkano | well, it should simply check for all group channels and part them |
| 08:43.29 | Shadowed | IE, storm and they lose connection for a few hours |
| 08:43.38 | Wobin | If the leader goes offline, then the leader changes hands randomly |
| 08:43.46 | Wobin | automatically |
| 08:43.52 | AnduinLothar | already handled in sky.. |
| 08:44.00 | Wobin | Not the point AL =P |
| 08:44.01 | ckknight | we aren't talking about sky, goddammit |
| 08:44.02 | Shadowed | sky handle's everything! |
| 08:44.06 | Wobin | Not even the discussion =P |
| 08:44.07 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 08:44.10 | ckknight | we're talking about a protocol not related to sky |
| 08:44.11 | sedatedChipmunk | whoopdyfriggindo |
| 08:44.16 | ckknight | stop acting like a child, AL |
| 08:44.19 | AnduinLothar | just in case you're wonderign how you migth handle it.. |
| 08:44.25 | Shadowed | How do you handle it? |
| 08:44.26 | Elkano | and why block the chatframe? if you dont register the channel, it wont be shown but can be activated for debugging |
| 08:44.51 | Shadowed | Didn't they move Magisters drop off the postman in strat? |
| 08:45.35 | sedatedChipmunk | ~botcookie |
| 08:45.37 | purl | :-P |
| 08:45.43 | sedatedChipmunk | don't forget one for purl |
| 08:45.45 | Wobin | ckknight is for cookie, and that' good enough for me |
| 08:45.54 | AnduinLothar | just check the channels on party and raid change events and PEW |
| 08:46.04 | Elkano | oh man... got to check for alcohol problems with ItemDB :/ |
| 08:46.20 | AnduinLothar | and i think it checks every 15seconds for good measure |
| 08:46.35 | AnduinLothar | incase you accidently left it |
| 08:47.08 | AnduinLothar | tho it could check the YOU_LEFT for that too |
| 08:47.51 | AnduinLothar | I'm just saying.. The stuff's already been thought out. |
| 08:47.59 | Shadowed | Seems kind of pointless to do it every 15 seconds when you could check YOU_LEFT |
| 08:48.00 | AnduinLothar | And not just by 1 or 2 people |
| 08:48.03 | ckknight | wouldn't it also just work if the first library leaves all CommRa* and CommGu* channels? |
| 08:48.12 | AnduinLothar | well it used to do zone changes too, which were finnecky |
| 08:48.48 | AnduinLothar | cept if it's all on the same event you'll end up trying to leave multiple times and get error prints |
| 08:49.49 | AnduinLothar | well,ok not error prints |
| 08:50.07 | AnduinLothar | but it will still say you're in it |
| 08:50.10 | ckknight | it seems like leaving at the start, then checking for YOU_LEFT would work |
| 08:50.20 | AnduinLothar | cept that's liek 3 seconds |
| 08:50.33 | AnduinLothar | and at pew you aren't actually in it |
| 08:51.08 | AnduinLothar | the channel color event spam after pew is when you know you're in all the ones that were saved |
| 08:51.18 | AnduinLothar | which is what Chronos.afterInit is for.. |
| 08:52.00 | AnduinLothar | you can't leave anythign at PEW when logging in cause you aren't in any channel |
| 08:52.09 | ckknight | or AceEvent:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_LOGIN", function() ... end) |
| 08:52.10 | ckknight | :-P |
| 08:52.17 | Shadowed | Or do it yourself! |
| 08:52.24 | AnduinLothar | is PLAYER_LOGIN after the channel spam? |
| 08:52.29 | wereHamster | AL, how do you check that you are in all that were saved if none were saved? do you just wait for a couple of seconds? |
| 08:53.01 | AnduinLothar | afterInit calls functions 2 seconds afte rthe channel color spam has stopped |
| 08:53.22 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, PLAYER_LOGIN is right before PEW |
| 08:53.27 | AnduinLothar | or 2 seconds after pew if you didn't just log in |
| 08:53.27 | ckknight | only it's called once |
| 08:53.40 | AnduinLothar | then no. you aren't in any channels at PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 08:53.46 | ckknight | okay... |
| 08:53.51 | ckknight | simple enough |
| 08:54.04 | AnduinLothar | which is why people always complained about the orig Cosmos channel joining as #1 |
| 08:54.06 | wereHamster | what's the 'channel color spam' ? |
| 08:54.12 | ckknight | AceEvent:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_LOGIN", function() AceEvent:ScheduleEvent(function() ... end, 2) end) |
| 08:54.36 | AnduinLothar | nah, have to add the same event schedule dealy to the channel color spam |
| 08:54.49 | AnduinLothar | which in essence is what Chronos.afterInit is for.. |
| 08:55.01 | Shadowed | What does afterInit do? |
| 08:55.01 | AnduinLothar | which is why we wrote the lib, cause it's a pain in the ass |
| 08:55.03 | Elkano | how about waiting for the first chat event? |
| 08:55.14 | ckknight | Elkano, might not happen. |
| 08:55.18 | AnduinLothar | not garenteed they're joined |
| 08:55.29 | AnduinLothar | and doesn't happen after reload |
| 08:55.39 | wereHamster | Elkano, I'm sometimes in no channels |
| 08:55.39 | Shadowed | woohoo warrior put a shield on |
| 08:56.29 | AnduinLothar | event == "UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR" |
| 08:56.52 | AnduinLothar | fires once per chat type i think |
| 08:57.02 | Elkano | I mean: have a flag in the global table that some addon took care of the channels and then take care if the flag isn't set and you either recive a chat event on any channel |
| 08:57.31 | Shadowed | I think UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR fires more then once |
| 08:57.33 | ckknight | Elkano, added to the protocol :-P |
| 08:57.37 | ckknight | Elkano, all fine now |
| 08:57.37 | Shadowed | ah chat type, not number of channels |
| 08:58.05 | ckknight | since the protocol states that you leave if no addons are using it, at initialize, you clean dead channels since no addons are using them |
| 08:58.15 | AnduinLothar | so... 100 times by default |
| 08:58.27 | ckknight | ? |
| 08:58.31 | AnduinLothar | unelss they changed it |
| 08:58.36 | AnduinLothar | but the code still works |
| 08:58.39 | ckknight | changed what? |
| 08:58.54 | Elkano | ckknight, I had these problems myself with DistChat ^^ |
| 08:58.55 | AnduinLothar | how many times UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR fires after pew on logging in |
| 08:59.01 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:59.07 | ckknight | alright |
| 08:59.15 | ckknight | if you're in 0 channels, does it fire? |
| 08:59.18 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 08:59.23 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:59.45 | Shadowed | It's used to load the values of ChatTypeInfo i'm guessing?\ |
| 08:59.48 | Shadowed | from the users config |
| 09:00.10 | AnduinLothar | from chat-cache.txt yes |
| 09:00.30 | AnduinLothar | joins the channels, then sets all the colors |
| 09:00.50 | Shadowed | Wouldn't it set it then join it? Hence why chat that you give a custom color to appear in that color |
| 09:00.52 | AnduinLothar | might be the other way around, never really tested the order |
| 09:01.12 | AnduinLothar | probably true |
| 09:01.17 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure it does |
| 09:01.30 | AnduinLothar | either way, 2 seconds after the last UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR fires it's done joining |
| 09:01.36 | AnduinLothar | or sooner |
| 09:02.41 | AnduinLothar | but i mean, writing a frame and an event handler to handle doing just that is like at least 15 lines |
| 09:03.09 | AnduinLothar | not something i'd really recomend for a 'protocol'.. |
| 09:03.58 | ckknight | what're are you so against the protocol? |
| 09:04.13 | AnduinLothar | ReputationMenu: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5143 |
| 09:04.41 | MoonWolf | some people won' taddopt sky, or ace-comm, I think cide is going to implement it in ctra. |
| 09:04.46 | ckknight | frankly, I think that you believe you are sitting on a pile of gold, and disagree that the community could do better than what you already made. So everyone should use what you did |
| 09:04.54 | MoonWolf | if you have a set or rules everybody can do wathever the want. |
| 09:05.20 | ckknight | note: gold is actually made of cheap plastic, a la Man-bear-pig |
| 09:05.28 | AnduinLothar | I htink that i've spent over a year researching it and it still confuses me |
| 09:05.42 | ckknight | maybe the community can come together and not be confused. |
| 09:06.41 | AnduinLothar | We had a community. a half dozen people worked on brainstorming fro the orig Sky that was based of a protocal that was using in beta for a year.. |
| 09:07.28 | ckknight | well this isn't just Sky |
| 09:07.40 | AnduinLothar | I just think you're duplicating work. Which I have objections too and you obviously don't. |
| 09:07.42 | ckknight | this is Ace, and CT, and we're offering Sky a change to offer input |
| 09:07.58 | MoonWolf | we had a community. hundreds of people worked on brainstorming from the orginial token ring. now you have to go and invent something called tcp/ip. |
| 09:08.22 | Shadowed | It sounds like Sky also has a lot of sutff that people just don't want either though, which is why everyone is trying to figure out this system |
| 09:08.43 | AnduinLothar | You aren't finished developing until you can't remove anythign else |
| 09:09.05 | ckknight | AceComm will have extra stuff that isn't part of the protocol, but it will fully implement the protocol, just with a few extra things around it |
| 09:09.05 | Shadowed | s/sutff/stuff/ |
| 09:09.12 | ckknight | someone else could implement _only_ the protocol |
| 09:09.15 | AnduinLothar | every time i remove something most of it gets put in another lib. |
| 09:09.20 | ckknight | someone else could put more/different stuff around it |
| 09:09.32 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, Modularity for the win. |
| 09:09.56 | AnduinLothar | and then i got people whining that they didn't want to use a lib that had 4 dependancies.. |
| 09:10.01 | AnduinLothar | so i made it embedable |
| 09:10.11 | AnduinLothar | and now they're whining that they don't want to use that either |
| 09:10.33 | ckknight | you do not own us. |
| 09:10.36 | AnduinLothar | so i feel i've wasted a large amount of time trying to please people that really have no interest in my work |
| 09:10.40 | ckknight | stop thinking you do. |
| 09:11.24 | AnduinLothar | own you? I can't even make you happy. |
| 09:11.45 | ckknight | maybe not |
| 09:11.51 | ckknight | but you shouldn't be expected to |
| 09:13.02 | ckknight | we're trying to come up with a solution that is good for the whole of the addon community |
| 09:13.10 | ckknight | and the answer isn't "Just use Sky" |
| 09:13.38 | Wobin | ~dict compromise |
| 09:13.52 | ckknight | the answer also isn't "Just use AceComm" |
| 09:13.54 | ckknight | because it isn't |
| 09:13.58 | ckknight | I know that |
| 09:14.21 | ckknight | so we're trying to come up with a proper protocol that we can all follow and end up with a great inter-working system. |
| 09:14.36 | MoonWolf | whenever some puts ace in it, 20 people go, AAAH ACE, MAKE IT GO AWAY. |
| 09:14.55 | ckknight | I accept and understand |
| 09:15.08 | ckknight | and it's the same reaction some people have towards Sky/Sea/Cosmos |
| 09:15.22 | ckknight | or CT |
| 09:15.22 | sedatedChipmunk | besides, everyone knows that ChitterComm will be The One True CommLib |
| 09:15.24 | ckknight | or whatever |
| 09:15.37 | MoonWolf | sedatedChipmunk, chitterComm sounds catchy |
| 09:15.45 | ckknight | it does actually |
| 09:15.52 | sedatedChipmunk | that's why it will destroy you all |
| 09:15.58 | Wobin | You'd have to translate all messages into various combinations of 'e' and 'E' though |
| 09:16.13 | sedatedChipmunk | =D |
| 09:16.15 | Wobin | Cryptomunk |
| 09:17.57 | Shadowed | I'll just call mine "GlobalComm" to take the name before you guys can |
| 09:18.00 | Shadowed | and to save time figuring one out! |
| 09:19.59 | ckknight | lol. |
| 09:20.18 | ckknight | it's likely the Ace community's will be called AceComm or something similar |
| 09:21.14 | MoonWolf | AceComm-2.o what happend to 1.0 ... we dont care.... <maniacle laughter> |
| 09:21.30 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 09:21.45 | Wobin | The same thing that happened to Preparations A through to G |
| 09:21.46 | ckknight | just like how Java 1.5 is actually Java 5.0! |
| 09:23.06 | ckknight | :-P |
| 09:24.42 | Shadowed | If it has a higher version number it MUST be better |
| 09:24.55 | ckknight | clearly. |
| 09:25.13 | ckknight | the change from Ace1 to Ace2 is actually very substatial |
| 09:25.18 | ckknight | substantial* |
| 09:25.51 | ckknight | we have a full-fledged versioning library, and a full-fledged object orientation framework, then everything is build off those |
| 09:29.00 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, ever going to reply to my retort? |
| 09:30.25 | AnduinLothar | it wasn't a question and I'm sick of arguing |
| 09:30.48 | AnduinLothar | I may be contrary just for the sake of being contrary but I don't enjoy arguing |
| 09:31.03 | AnduinLothar | and dont say it was a debate |
| 09:31.09 | AnduinLothar | cause it wasn't |
| 09:31.37 | AnduinLothar | I'm bitter and dissolusioned and underappreciated. that's about what it comes down to |
| 09:32.06 | ckknight | when did I ever say it was a debate? |
| 09:33.53 | MoonWolf | this is the first mentoin of the word debate for eeuh |
| 09:33.56 | MoonWolf | the whole day. |
| 09:34.15 | ckknight | yep |
| 09:34.19 | ckknight | just checked logs |
| 09:35.03 | chuckg | Any 'comm' system should clearly be called Skynet. |
| 09:35.19 | Wobin | Hehe |
| 09:35.27 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 09:35.29 | Wobin | I did suggest that at the beginning =P |
| 09:35.31 | MoonWolf | sky.net. |
| 09:35.39 | chuckg | Microsoft would sue you. |
| 09:35.44 | chuckg | Then the hollywood studios would hit next. |
| 09:35.46 | MoonWolf | i don' t care. |
| 09:35.48 | Wobin | nah, that's sky.NET |
| 09:36.00 | chuckg | Bury you in paper work you puny dreamers. |
| 09:43.52 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure the General WoW forums get worst at around 3 AM |
| 09:44.11 | Shadowed | probably makes all the moderators and CM's cry when they come in the next day |
| 09:45.15 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, you just have to ask yourself: What is in the new specification better than I have done in Sky? I would say the hash function for the guild name is better than just a bytesum. Even if you haven't had any collisions yet, they are more likely to happen in Sky's channel naming. And if I could add something to the spec, I'd add the realm to the group channel ("[leader] of [realm]" and treat it just like the g |
| 09:46.07 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.12 | ckknight | (got cut off) |
| 09:46.38 | wereHamster | guild name when generating the channel name).. oh.. and a central registrar is what is needed when more than one addon will use the same channel, and you honestly can't force everybody to use sky. |
| 09:46.42 | wereHamster | better :) |
| 09:46.51 | AnduinLothar | We still have no idea how the chat will work in cross realm bgs |
| 09:47.40 | AnduinLothar | I'll prolly just do another modular and make a mini part that has minimal code for the protocal and make SKy dependant on it |
| 09:47.53 | AnduinLothar | well i WOULD but no one would use it |
| 09:47.58 | AnduinLothar | so maybe i wont |
| 09:48.09 | ckknight | I have a proposal for the protocol to handle it smoothly |
| 09:48.36 | MoonWolf | but its based on speculation ? |
| 09:48.46 | ckknight | yes, but it could work |
| 09:48.49 | ckknight | follow me, though |
| 09:48.59 | MoonWolf | k |
| 09:49.29 | ckknight | if not string.find(GetBuildVersion(), "^1%.11%.") then x = x .. "@" .. UnitRealm("raid1") end |
| 09:49.35 | ckknight | actually |
| 09:49.43 | ckknight | if not string.find(GetBuildVersion(), "^[01]%.11%.") then x = x .. "@" .. UnitRealm("raid1") end |
| 09:49.58 | ckknight | wait, the first worked :-P |
| 09:50.08 | ckknight | either way, for 1.11, it stays standard |
| 09:50.15 | ckknight | for ~= 1.11, it adds the UnitRealm |
| 09:50.16 | Shadowed | How do we know that they'll be in the same raid? |
| 09:50.17 | MoonWolf | for 1.12 it appends the realm. |
| 09:50.28 | ckknight | see, simple, no breakage |
| 09:50.43 | AnduinLothar | they still haven't said we would have people ont he same side |
| 09:50.43 | ckknight | just gotta put it in the protocol as soon as we learn the API for it |
| 09:50.55 | AnduinLothar | might just be one server's horde vs another's alliance |
| 09:51.02 | MoonWolf | I am willing to speculate that the cross realm bg' s are actualy one massive new server |
| 09:51.04 | ckknight | why does that matter? |
| 09:51.14 | wereHamster | Do we know we'll get UnitRealm()? |
| 09:51.21 | MoonWolf | but.... |
| 09:51.24 | ckknight | no, but by the time beta comes, we will. |
| 09:51.26 | AnduinLothar | if everyone on your side is on your server then the channel wont need to change at all |
| 09:51.28 | MoonWolf | it doesn' t have to work like that. |
| 09:51.35 | Shadowed | Well, somebody asked if you can trade people when the multi-server battlegrounds come out, and they said no |
| 09:51.49 | Shadowed | so i'd imagine this would mean you're being mixed with other people from the realms and not just faction |
| 09:51.54 | MoonWolf | Shadowed, thats for different reasons. |
| 09:51.55 | wereHamster | and you want to wait till then to finalize the protocol? |
| 09:52.14 | ckknight | wereHamster, we finalize a 1.11 version, then update when we learn more |
| 09:52.25 | ckknight | just like everything else |
| 09:52.33 | wereHamster | .. and the channel names will break when 1.12 comes out |
| 09:52.34 | MoonWolf | you don' t want people trading cross realm because it would make it that much easy for goldsellers. |
| 09:53.06 | MoonWolf | so then poeple could have 2k gold... on a one day old server. |
| 09:53.19 | ckknight | wereHamster, no, since people's libs will have updated within that time |
| 09:53.24 | Shadowed | Just taking a guess mostly. But if it was Icecrown Alliance VS Thunderhorn Horde then they wouldn't have said that trading will be disabled if they aren't on your realm. |
| 09:53.51 | Shadowed | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8978877&tmp=1#post8978877 |
| 09:54.42 | Shadowed | as i said, mostly taking a random guess at 3 AM and half asleep :p |
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| 10:03.49 | wereHamster | Did someone already ask slouken if we could get the spell name/rank in argX on SPELLCAST_START? |
| 10:04.04 | Wobin | I want SpellIDs =( |
| 10:04.33 | wereHamster | both would be fine.. |
| 10:04.53 | wereHamster | at least something that tells us which spell |
| 10:06.12 | AnduinLothar | oh that's right.. never did make that lib did i |
| 10:06.31 | AnduinLothar | meh, no one would use it.. |
| 10:07.03 | wereHamster | which one? |
| 10:08.26 | AnduinLothar | I have all the code for a spell casting lib that supplies name/rank/casttime/target/texture of a spell just cast or casting |
| 10:08.39 | AnduinLothar | SpellID would be trivial to add |
| 10:08.53 | AnduinLothar | it's all in ArcanePartyBars, just never modularized it |
| 10:09.14 | wereHamster | I have the code, too |
| 10:09.19 | Wobin | Well, I'd like Blizzard to include SpellIDs, along with PlayerIDs =P |
| 10:09.29 | Wobin | Cause that'd be cool |
| 10:09.31 | AnduinLothar | unit id would be nice, yes |
| 10:09.43 | wereHamster | but I just hate hooking functions.. too much can break when blizzard changed the API and adds new arguments |
| 10:10.21 | AnduinLothar | but with a lib you can basicly get the same info as you could with a unitID you just hve to knwo what you want before you cast |
| 10:11.15 | AnduinLothar | and actually, SeaSpellbook can get you SpellID from name by a simple table lookup |
| 10:12.02 | AnduinLothar | but no one uses that either |
| 10:12.37 | AnduinLothar | hmm, i broke wardrobe... better fix that. people DO use it |
| 10:13.20 | ckknight | how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? don't worry about it, they'll just sit in the dark and cry. |
| 10:13.22 | AnduinLothar | knew i should done more testing.. |
| 10:13.56 | AnduinLothar | yeah ok, i can take the hint. night |
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| 10:15.43 | ckknight | I know he's not a bad guy at heart, but he's misguided about some things |
| 10:16.18 | Mikma | i think he was raised between two rocks ;) |
| 10:16.19 | ckknight | specifically about his egotism and self-worth and the worthiness of his work |
| 10:18.21 | ckknight | I didn't like how whenever we brought something up about the protocol, it was "Oh, Sky does that already" or "Just use Sky" |
| 10:22.26 | ckknight | oh well |
| 10:22.29 | ckknight | over for now |
| 10:22.41 | ckknight | remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road. |
| 10:23.03 | Mikma | muahahaha |
| 10:23.34 | Elkano | ck, does this look emo to you? http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/2697/elk3012jc.jpg |
| 10:23.49 | Mikma | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8782/downtheroad2pu.gif |
| 10:24.09 | Mikma | Elkano: argh my eyes! |
| 10:25.18 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 10:25.19 | ckknight | yes |
| 10:25.23 | ckknight | well |
| 10:25.29 | ckknight | not so much, really |
| 10:25.40 | ckknight | kinda nerdtastic, though |
| 10:25.45 | ckknight | and cut your damn hair |
| 10:25.46 | ckknight | hippie |
| 10:25.57 | ckknight | either that or tranny |
| 10:26.00 | ckknight | who's to say |
| 10:26.27 | Neronix | Nothing wrong with long hair |
| 10:26.35 | ckknight | it depends on how your hair falls |
| 10:26.42 | ckknight | and thickness |
| 10:26.44 | ckknight | and other factors |
| 10:26.58 | ckknight | people keep making me cut my hair |
| 10:27.02 | ckknight | I like my hair long |
| 10:27.15 | ckknight | because I know how to wear it long properly |
| 10:27.23 | ckknight | I also have a really good head of hair ;-) |
| 10:27.45 | ckknight | who is the guy, Elkano? |
| 10:28.59 | Elkano | ... |
| 10:29.56 | Elkano | but I changed the way I'm have it combed |
| 10:30.24 | ckknight | okay |
| 10:31.26 | ckknight | don't worry, I look like an early 90's mergers and acquisitions broker when I do my hair |
| 10:32.10 | Elkano | and I'm wearing a ponytail |
| 10:32.22 | ckknight | hrm |
| 10:32.30 | ckknight | that's a little gay in American culture, I know |
| 10:32.45 | Elkano | well, the pic is a few month old... and I don't live in America ^^ |
| 10:32.47 | ckknight | could be different where you are |
| 10:33.51 | ckknight | funny thing |
| 10:34.12 | ckknight | in High School, the length of my hair pretty much determined my political leanings |
| 10:34.20 | ckknight | don't really know why :-P |
| 10:34.46 | ckknight | actually ,that was only for a year anyway :-P |
| 10:35.45 | ckknight | oh well |
| 10:35.54 | ckknight | I'm sticking by my previous hippie statement. |
| 10:37.22 | ckknight | take that how you want |
| 10:37.58 | ckknight | frankly, I find the ever-emasculating of modern male society frightening, albeit inevitable |
| 10:40.40 | ag`_ | what |
| 10:40.48 | ag`_ | what's with AnduinLothar and the emo jokes :P |
| 10:41.31 | ckknight | <AnduinLothar> I'm bitter and dissolusioned and underappreciated |
| 10:41.34 | zenzio | think it's just how he's taking things a bit personally and speaking of being underappreciated and no-one using his stuff |
| 10:41.35 | ckknight | that's why. |
| 10:42.19 | ckknight | yea, zenzio's got it peged |
| 10:42.24 | ckknight | pegged* |
| 10:44.01 | ag`_ | I make stuff for my own enjoyment, I like to code and get better at it. If people use my stuff I'm happy about it, but if I only use it myself, I don't mind.. |
| 11:04.33 | ckknight | ag`_, why is there ag` and ag`_ ? |
| 11:05.07 | Corrodias | nice try, doppelganger! |
| 11:30.35 | Corrodias | save it for queen dopplepopulous |
| 11:30.45 | Corrodias | *olous? yeah |
| 11:34.23 | wereHamster | which event is fired when a raid member dies? |
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| 11:38.05 | Elkano | LOL_YOU_GONNA_WIPE |
| 11:39.57 | ckknight | is Chronos.afterInit supposed to fire after the channels have joined? |
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| 11:46.28 | wereHamster | according to AL, yes |
| 11:47.32 | ckknight | hehe, I've seen it not ;-) |
| 11:47.35 | ckknight | failure! |
| 11:50.30 | ckknight | yep, again |
| 11:50.36 | ckknight | fired before channels joined |
| 11:52.15 | MoonWolf | gah |
| 11:52.36 | ckknight | ah? |
| 11:52.37 | ckknight | gah* |
| 11:55.11 | MoonWolf | users being stupid |
| 11:55.23 | MoonWolf | someone kill my users, (the rl work type) |
| 12:00.24 | wereHamster | I'm simply waiting four seconds before joining the channel.. that is long enough to let WoW load chat-cache.txt |
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| 15:12.39 | Mikma | anyone knows where i can find some info on hooking ActionButton OnEnter and OnLeave? |
| 15:13.11 | Kaso | Well do you generally know how to hook? |
| 15:13.24 | Mikma | somehow :) |
| 15:13.40 | Mikma | i'm trying to do a autohide for Bartender.. not as easy as i thought |
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| 16:34.29 | wereHamster | Did anyone ever try to create a small VB script that generates key events? Does Warden interfere if it sees such script running? |
| 16:36.05 | Kaso | I thought about doing it once, then feared my account would be banned :< |
| 16:38.19 | wereHamster | I would try, but I don't know how to write such a script.. |
| 16:39.43 | Kaso | in VB you can just use the SendKeys function |
| 16:40.39 | wereHamster | Is it possible to receive all key events that WoW receives in an external app/VB script? |
| 16:41.08 | Shadowed | I know you can do it in Java fairly easly |
| 16:41.52 | wereHamster | So windows also sends events to any app that is interested in it, right? |
| 16:42.31 | Shadowed | Well, for doing it in Java WoW has to have focus |
| 16:43.00 | Shadowed | but didn't have to do anything special, just Java 1.5 and the Robot libary |
| 16:43.42 | wereHamster | In X11, you would locate the WoW window and use XSelectInput() to tell the server that you want to receive all key events for that window |
| 16:43.46 | Tain | Opinions on a DKP tax system as a way to prevent hoarding of points and encourange spending? |
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| 16:44.15 | Shadowed | I wouldn't suggest it |
| 16:44.33 | gnorlish | are you advancing too fast and people are looking too far ahead? |
| 16:44.48 | Tain | Another option I saw was a soft-cap, over X points you only gain 1/2 DKP for that session. |
| 16:45.01 | Tain | But I personally don't like that one. |
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| 16:45.20 | Tem | Finally! |
| 16:45.30 | Tem | they changed the wireless network... |
| 16:45.34 | wereHamster | a tax sounds more real-life-like |
| 16:45.36 | Tain | Tem: Opinions on a DKP tax system as a way to prevent hoarding of points and encourange spending? |
| 16:45.40 | Shadowed | Should encourage them to spend points on rotting loot |
| 16:45.50 | gnorlish | are you actually disenchanting things? |
| 16:46.06 | Tem | hmmm. I dunno |
| 16:46.17 | Tain | Here's the thing, it's a brand new server, everyone starting from zero, started MC last week. |
| 16:46.19 | Shadowed | People are basically passing on stuff like tier 2 when they have like full blues to save for tier 3 is like whats happening? |
| 16:46.22 | wereHamster | nexus crystals are needed for a lot enchants ;) |
| 16:46.25 | Shadowed | ah well |
| 16:46.32 | Shadowed | thats different then |
| 16:46.33 | Tain | All of that happened previously on other servers with everyone. |
| 16:46.40 | Tain | And the idea is to stop it before it ever getst here. |
| 16:47.00 | gnorlish | we simply got rid of people who didn't take loot that would improve them in pve |
| 16:47.03 | Tem | We've never had any loot rot that someone could use |
| 16:47.03 | Tain | They wanted to just deal with it as it came, but I think a policy in place from day 1 is abetter way. |
| 16:47.17 | Shadowed | I'd go with it as it comes honestly |
| 16:47.30 | Tain | It's been a problem on other places Tem. A big problem for the couple of guilds most of the people came from. |
| 16:47.41 | wereHamster | Tain, how exactly would the tax work? |
| 16:47.53 | Shadowed | I would worry more about people taking stuff to spite others more then I would about hording |
| 16:48.00 | Shadowed | (not sure what system you're using though) |
| 16:48.15 | Tain | A flat tax, something like (numbers for illustration, not reality) 10% off everyone's points every 2 weeks. |
| 16:48.33 | wereHamster | only for players with more than X DKP? |
| 16:48.42 | Tain | Yeah, there will be a lower limit. |
| 16:49.00 | gnorlish | you'd have to drop that rule after a few months |
| 16:49.00 | wereHamster | what about a progressive tax? |
| 16:49.02 | Tain | But fairly low. Like if someone has 15 DKP they still lose |
| 16:49.18 | gnorlish | our top 8-10 raiders have almost no gear to get and just keep accumulating |
| 16:49.24 | wereHamster | 15DKP.. depend how many you get per encounter ;) |
| 16:49.50 | Shadowed | You could also just add a force loot policy thats handled by officers as it comes |
| 16:49.58 | Tain | That's the thing gnorlish, you don't want the top people to not gain since they're still contributing, but you also don't want them to dominate loot when you do other things because the rest of the guild also needs improvement. |
| 16:50.06 | Tain | I don't like force loot, personally. |
| 16:50.28 | Tain | And we're also not doing class preference for loot. I know that's a big hot-button point, but one I like for selfish reasons. I like seeing that drama. |
| 16:50.36 | Tain | But I don't make the call, I'm not an officer. |
| 16:50.38 | wereHamster | oh.. our raid leader has all items he wants.. and has >10k DKP, but what can he do? he's always there so he always gets DKPs but he already has all the items he wants.. |
| 16:50.54 | Shadowed | he starts bidding on other items and tries to get full tier 2 of another class! |
| 16:51.02 | Tain | I know wereHamster but the problem is that's not necessarily good for the rest of the guild if one person gets all the top loot, no matter how much he's there. |
| 16:51.11 | Shadowed | I'm not sure how many people you have in the guild. But you'll probably have 3-6 *max* of people who horde points to try and get the best item from the dungeon. |
| 16:51.33 | wereHamster | he doesn't get all the loot, it's just he's always there.. |
| 16:51.44 | gnorlish | how come more people aren't always there |
| 16:51.46 | Tain | It started with discussions of people tranfserring in from other servers with top gear. |
| 16:51.49 | Shadowed | I'd worry more about like Warriors who decide to pass on Might/Wrath and never get any tanking stuff |
| 16:52.07 | Tain | If someone comes in with AQ gear while we're doing MC they're not going to have anything to buy for months. |
| 16:52.20 | Tain | Assuming it's someone we want to take. |
| 16:52.25 | Shadowed | Thats a different discussion though, thats not hording thats just they don't have any upgrades. |
| 16:52.37 | wereHamster | .. our raid-leaders first invite def-tanks, then off-warriors, that makes sure at least some warriors are def-speced |
| 16:52.38 | Tain | Yes, but it's just another cause of hoarding. |
| 16:52.44 | Shadowed | not really |
| 16:52.50 | Tain | I think it's silly to treat different symptoms and not the main problem. |
| 16:53.01 | Tain | Since someone can hoard if they want to. |
| 16:53.08 | Shadowed | You'd basically be asking people that are wearing Wrath/Conq ( Just using Warrior sets as an example ) to buy Might which has no use for them |
| 16:53.22 | Shadowed | thats different from people who purposly pass on upgrades to buy the one uber item from the dungeon |
| 16:53.41 | Tain | The mind set is different, the result isn't. |
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| 16:54.22 | wereHamster | .. they could bid on might and disenchant to get more gold.. |
| 16:54.29 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 16:54.38 | wereHamster | .. just to be under the tax-cap |
| 16:54.41 | Tain | To be honest I don't think hoarding is even an issue, I think it's simply people being jealous of what they don't have. But some people are very against it. |
| 16:55.00 | Shadowed | Yeah, personally I think that a tax-cap is asking for problems |
| 16:55.21 | Tain | But I also think it's a good way to be flexible long-term. |
| 16:55.36 | Tain | If there's no form of dkp decay everyone starts accumulating. |
| 16:55.37 | wereHamster | don't you have a lower tax-cap in the US? there is one in switzerland :) |
| 16:56.11 | Shadowed | Every guild has issues with people hoarding or joining with basically everything they need, but they usually don't deal with it by using a tax cap :p |
| 16:56.27 | gnorlish | sounds like you just have to run enough instances that people have lots of loot to bid on! |
| 16:56.32 | Tain | so it's thinking outside of the box. |
| 16:56.33 | wereHamster | our gild has no such issues |
| 16:56.41 | Shadowed | wereHamster: lies |
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| 16:57.11 | Tem | FUCK YOU Wireless |
| 16:57.13 | Tain | It's going to be great, we already have Druids saying they want Core Hound Tooths and threating to go after Perditions. |
| 16:57.19 | Shadowed | haha |
| 16:57.40 | wereHamster | sure, there are some people who have lots of DKP, but nobody has ever complained about it |
| 16:57.46 | Tem | Tain, you're just going to love that aren't you? |
| 16:57.55 | Shadowed | don't think Tain is a Rogue though |
| 16:57.59 | Tain | I am. |
| 16:58.01 | Tain | Well this char is. |
| 16:58.05 | Tain | It's ok though. |
| 16:58.06 | Tem | we had a druid who went all in on Staff of the Qiraji Prophets last night |
| 16:58.06 | Shadowed | poor you |
| 16:58.13 | Tain | I don't play the game for personal loot. |
| 16:58.13 | gnorlish | HAHAHAH |
| 16:58.17 | gnorlish | a druid |
| 16:58.21 | Tem | indeed |
| 16:58.30 | Tain | I am a spiteful and vengeful bastard. |
| 16:58.30 | Tem | A mage did get it though |
| 16:58.31 | gnorlish | i hope he's happy with his piece of crap |
| 16:58.39 | Tem | a mage who needed a staff badly |
| 16:58.47 | Tem | he still had Staff of the Ogre Madgi |
| 16:58.55 | Shadowed | ouch |
| 16:59.05 | Tem | so I was happy to see him get Staff of the not as good as Shadow Flame |
| 16:59.06 | Tain | I will happily spend all of my DKP on something I will never use if someone pulls a dickhead move to take loot away from someone who should have it. |
| 16:59.28 | Shadowed | which is why i hate bidding systems |
| 16:59.44 | Tem | ding ding |
| 16:59.46 | Tem | we have a winner |
| 16:59.47 | Tain | Actually I don't even know what we're using. haha |
| 16:59.53 | Tain | I should look. |
| 17:00.12 | Shadowed | I like the flat cost sytems better |
| 17:00.13 | wereHamster | also, when a rogue decides not to get T1 while you're doing MC while all other rouges get T1 he'll fall behind in the DPS statistic and I'd decide to not invite him anymore because he's doing not enough dmg |
| 17:00.14 | gnorlish | ehhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:00.19 | Tain | We've only done 3 points earning raids so far, and I hit my first one last night. |
| 17:00.28 | Shadowed | don't announce who went in on it to prevent less issues with spiteful taking! |
| 17:00.39 | gnorlish | there's a guild who uses loot council on our server |
| 17:00.41 | Tem | pitty it just wouldn't work for our guild |
| 17:00.51 | gnorlish | all of the officers have multiple 60's with full purples |
| 17:00.54 | Shadowed | I know at least one of the raiding guilds uses loot council on our server |
| 17:00.54 | gnorlish | they keep rolling new classes |
| 17:00.57 | gnorlish | b/c they get bored |
| 17:00.59 | Tain | Actually we are using a flat cost system, I just don't know who gets preference. |
| 17:01.03 | End | wtf? what druid would go after perdi? |
| 17:01.05 | gnorlish | and yet people still join the guild |
| 17:01.12 | End | (I mean other than to poke fun at rogues...) |
| 17:01.26 | Tem | theres a guild on my server that uses it and they seem to do it well |
| 17:01.27 | Shadowed | If my guild will let me, i'll get an end of dreams just to make druids cry |
| 17:01.39 | gnorlish | a priest in full tier2 + accessories retired his priest and now is gearing up his warrior in aq gear |
| 17:01.48 | Tain | We have one druid who insists he out-damages everyone else. |
| 17:01.49 | gnorlish | it's silly |
| 17:01.59 | Shadowed | The problem with loot council is just do you trust your officers more then anything. But you also have more drama if any of the people on the council know somebody who wants an item |
| 17:02.15 | Tem | I am an officer in my guild |
| 17:02.17 | Shadowed | It would work pretty well if you had people you could trust, you just raerly do :p |
| 17:02.17 | Tain | Yeah I don't trust my officers. |
| 17:02.18 | Tem | I don't trust us |
| 17:02.26 | Shadowed | s/raerly/rarely/ |
| 17:02.31 | Shadowed | good idea in theory though |
| 17:02.46 | Tain | That's why I don't like those systems. They're too open to personal feelings. |
| 17:02.48 | Tem | well the real problem is that people are greedy |
| 17:02.56 | Tain | A well implemented points system is very fair. |
| 17:02.59 | Tem | people need to not be dickheads about loot |
| 17:03.03 | Tain | The problem is people don't like fair. |
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| 17:03.15 | Shadowed | in the end, i don't think you can get a system that is 100% perfect |
| 17:03.23 | Tain | As far as I'm concerned if everyone is equally unhappy, it's fair. |
| 17:03.36 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:03.45 | Kirov | talking about the comm protocol? |
| 17:03.46 | Shadowed | Unless you're the top guild like Death and Taxes and can have 10 people wanting to join as soon as you have a spot, you can't really do much about people sometimes |
| 17:03.49 | Shadowed | Kirov: DKP |
| 17:03.51 | Tain | haha no Kirov, DKP. |
| 17:03.52 | Kirov | ah |
| 17:03.53 | End | Kirov: talking about loot systems |
| 17:04.17 | Shadowed | Once in my old guild during AQ40 a paladin was out damaging a hunter... |
| 17:04.46 | Shadowed | ( note: none of the paladins are DPS specced ) |
| 17:04.48 | Tain | Of course we have an overly DPS obsessed group. |
| 17:05.12 | Tain | People are more concerned with how much damage they do no matter what class they are. |
| 17:05.27 | Tain | Without any thought to the fact that no one can do any damage if the proper support isn't there. |
| 17:05.28 | wereHamster | even priests? |
| 17:05.33 | Shadowed | wands! |
| 17:05.39 | wereHamster | -.- |
| 17:05.44 | Shadowed | ^.^ |
| 17:05.47 | Tain | We're not forcing specs on anyone, we have Shadow priests. |
| 17:06.01 | Tain | Forcing roles, yes. And even that is driving 2 druids nuts. |
| 17:06.02 | Shadowed | last shadow priest we had sucked! |
| 17:06.18 | wereHamster | I'm playing a def-warrior.. but changes to a friends priest in BWL.. and most of the time I was shooting with my wand instead of healing |
| 17:06.19 | Shadowed | and by sucked I mean he used benecast and usually had most of his group die during bosses |
| 17:06.20 | Tain | Fucking druids. Sorry for any good ones out there, but I've yet to play with a good druid yet. |
| 17:06.47 | Shadowed | I've only seen a good healing/feral Druid once |
| 17:06.49 | Kirov | Tain - We had two in our guild that are good, now one. |
| 17:06.56 | Shadowed | and even then, he never went feral during raids because people would complain |
| 17:07.02 | gnorlish | if you have people who aren't raid specced AND who are shitty about taking gear |
| 17:07.05 | gnorlish | good luck to you |
| 17:07.10 | wereHamster | .. and I thought: Why is my friend always so desperate in BWL.. it's easy going, people are dying, but that's life ;) |
| 17:07.20 | Kirov | We have feral druids tank in some situations. |
| 17:07.30 | Shadowed | gnorlish: Ever have a warrior upgrade from the ZG blue caster shield to a bulwark and yet refusing to buy wrath? |
| 17:07.40 | Kirov | Mainly because the few feral druids we had weren't as much of dumb-asses as the tanks we would have. |
| 17:07.53 | wereHamster | Shadowed, def or off warrior? |
| 17:07.55 | Tain | I am very much against forcing specs. |
| 17:08.07 | Shadowed | wereHamster: DPS warrior who constantly drew aggro |
| 17:08.07 | End | haha, thay reminds me of something Kirov |
| 17:08.13 | Tain | That's not playing a game, that's paying to be someone's employee. |
| 17:08.21 | Shadowed | I could see forcing specs becoming useful during encounters like Nax honestly |
| 17:08.25 | gnorlish | we don't force specs, we simply point out to people who are off spec that they aren't helping when things end up being their fault |
| 17:08.36 | End | I was doing ZG, and we had -one- warrior, so me (a resto druid) ended up tanking some of the stuff |
| 17:08.40 | Shadowed | Having improved shield block is amazing during Patchwerk, and piercing howl is nice during Gluth |
| 17:08.44 | End | finally another warrior comes, and we try doing spider |
| 17:08.58 | wereHamster | Shadowed, .. if you have 8/8 T2 set bonus |
| 17:09.30 | Shadowed | wereHamster: 4% increase chance to parry isn't an extra block to prevent crushing blow |
| 17:09.33 | Tain | But it's silly for example to make all Warriors spec protection. |
| 17:09.45 | wereHamster | I know.. but I have 7/8 :( |
| 17:09.49 | Shadowed | not all of them, only the 4-5 offtanks |
| 17:09.58 | Shadowed | wereHamster: same, still need the damn chest |
| 17:10.00 | End | the second warrior could manage to pull the spider back to the tanking spot...and later, after the other tank leaves, I make some comment about how I had to tank earlier, and the first warrior was like, fuck me and you were doing a better job too |
| 17:10.04 | wereHamster | me too |
| 17:10.07 | End | s/could/couldn't/ |
| 17:10.22 | gnorlish | do you realize how confusing it is to correct one word |
| 17:10.27 | wereHamster | another warrior took the chest yesterday.. |
| 17:10.27 | gnorlish | in an entire paragraph |
| 17:10.35 | Shadowed | the chest dropped 3 times on raids i wasn't there :p |
| 17:10.48 | Shadowed | one even went to an unguilded app |
| 17:10.50 | wereHamster | dissed? |
| 17:11.03 | Shadowed | i wasn't at the raid, so not much i could do! |
| 17:11.18 | End | mmm |
| 17:11.26 | wereHamster | the chest just doesn't drop in our raid.. |
| 17:11.45 | Shadowed | It took untamed blade about a year to drop :p |
| 17:11.58 | Shadowed | s/untamed/an untamed/ |
| 17:12.07 | Kirov | That's definatly one of my biggest peeves; seeing T2 gear go to people who are never going to get in to the main raiders but came that day because we were short on people. |
| 17:12.40 | Shadowed | Kirov: Or people who take it and have 20% attendance |
| 17:12.40 | Kirov | One question for you'all, how many thunderfuries do you have? |
| 17:12.48 | Kirov | My guild has 1. |
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| 17:12.54 | End | after almost a year of doing MC, my guild has none |
| 17:13.01 | End | we finally had one binding drop a few weeks ago |
| 17:13.03 | Shadowed | Old guild had like 5-6 I think, three ( or maybe two ) paladins, two warriors. |
| 17:13.07 | Shadowed | new guild has two (Rogue/Warrior) |
| 17:13.14 | gnorlish | one binding in a year |
| 17:13.23 | Kirov | End - We just got our first recently, and we've been doing MC for about a year now too. |
| 17:13.41 | Kirov | One guild on the server has _5_ after 2 months of raiding. |
| 17:13.59 | Shadowed | ouch |
| 17:14.05 | End | my guild is semi-capable of doing BWL, and there was a guild just starting BWL that got both bindings |
| 17:14.12 | End | we hadn't had any at that point |
| 17:14.17 | End | er |
| 17:14.21 | End | just starting MC |
| 17:14.30 | Kirov | We've seen 3 bindings, and 1 rag hammer. |
| 17:14.35 | End | we have one rag hammer |
| 17:14.38 | End | as well |
| 17:14.55 | Shadowed | no rag hammer |
| 17:15.03 | Shadowed | But only the paladins would want it |
| 17:15.19 | Kirov | There's nothing so frustrating as to see newbie guilds that are just starting out with 2 paladins w/ the rag hammer |
| 17:15.33 | End | first rag hammer on my server went to a paladin |
| 17:15.45 | Kirov | End - same |
| 17:16.47 | End | although...we've had like three might chest plates drop our entire time doing MC |
| 17:16.49 | Kirov | My guild got the first perditions and spinal reaper |
| 17:17.16 | Kirov | We've opened up perditions to everyone because every rogue in the guild has it at this point. |
| 17:17.32 | End | we reached that point recently |
| 17:18.01 | Kirov | End - how often do you get the felheart / cenarian combo drops? |
| 17:18.15 | End | we used to get it a lot more often |
| 17:18.18 | zenzio | I was surprised when I got to go with a C'thun-class guild to MC and loot the Might boots for the cost of one Nexus Crystal... as they disenchant into two, from what I understand |
| 17:18.32 | End | only felheart and cenarion boes drop now ;p |
| 17:18.38 | End | but we get more variation with other stuff |
| 17:18.53 | End | we get way too many cenarion belts |
| 17:19.09 | Tain | I'm holding out for the Misplaced Servo Arm. ;) |
| 17:20.25 | Kirov | My least favorite BWL run we had double stormrage drop off of 4 bosses, and 2 pairs of stormrage gloves, every non-set piece was leather, and one of the bosses that dropped double was Nefarian. |
| 17:20.31 | End | wow |
| 17:20.33 | Kirov | And our 3 druilds were all 8/8 |
| 17:20.36 | Kirov | already |
| 17:20.44 | zenzio | ouch |
| 17:20.47 | End | we are still working on chrommaggus |
| 17:20.54 | End | but we've had ONE piece of stormrage drop in BWL |
| 17:21.05 | Kirov | We actually had 2 druids at 8/8 before anyone else had their 8/8 |
| 17:21.06 | End | in our 5 months of doing BWL |
| 17:21.26 | End | (we're slow because we seem to like having bouts of instability) |
| 17:21.33 | Kirov | And the warriors were actually actively trying to gear our MT out |
| 17:22.55 | Kirov | End - my current guild always seems like it's on the edge of complete collapse |
| 17:23.12 | End | a week ago my guild was too |
| 17:23.25 | End | then another guild broke up and we swallowed most of their members |
| 17:23.35 | Kirov | Of our early MC regulars there are only 5 of us left. |
| 17:23.36 | zenzio | the summer has wreaked havoc on my guild's raids |
| 17:24.09 | Kirov | We just had about 10 people leave from the main raid, and I know about 20 more are about to jump ship soon too. |
| 17:24.14 | End | so...a month ago we just started working on chrommagus...then suddenly everyone decided to go on vacation or die or something...then this last weekend we recruited like crazy |
| 17:24.15 | zenzio | with people on holidays the slackers get more time in the raids, and it shows |
| 17:24.32 | End | went into BWL..kill first three bosses...and then got hung up trying to split trash... |
| 17:24.45 | Kirov | End - lol |
| 17:24.48 | End | yeaahhh |
| 17:24.59 | Kirov | End - My guild has a tendancy to 1 shot bosses, then wipe on trash |
| 17:25.08 | End | we didn't know that apparently you couldn't split those anymore, and it took us like 2 hours to figure that out |
| 17:26.19 | End | about wiping on trash though...we did have one bad run where we wiped on like every third trash pull, and one shotted every boss |
| 17:26.42 | End | (that was in MC a while ago) |
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| 17:28.12 | Shadowed | how I do love AV |
| 17:28.41 | Shadowed | Alliance goes for IB GY/Tower point. Horde goes for Stonehearth GY and then Stormpike GY. Meanwhile Alliance is trying to figure out why they are losing! |
| 17:29.05 | End | heheh |
| 17:29.56 | Shadowed | Then I tell them it's because they try to get every resource, and they call me a noob yet we lose 10 minutes later! |
| 17:30.50 | zenzio | and then they go on to whine on General/LFG about how long they have to queue for such a short fight |
| 17:30.51 | End | it's been a while since I've done AV |
| 17:31.55 | Shadowed | have to get one character from neutral to exalted, and another to exalted from honored! |
| 17:32.24 | End | I should probably start working on AV though |
| 17:32.37 | End | (again) |
| 17:32.41 | End | I'm almost revered |
| 17:32.59 | Shadowed | you have to actually join a raid group now to get decent rep though :/ |
| 17:34.19 | Tain | I hate all BGs. Not because I don't like PVP, but because the idiot ratio is too high to make them enjoyable. |
| 17:34.19 | Shadowed | oh |
| 17:34.24 | Shadowed | interactive rogue talent thing is up |
| 17:34.42 | Shadowed | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues2/talents.html |
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| 17:35.40 | Shadowed | pretty nice changes |
| 17:36.34 | Tain | Yeah but the combat tree is still where most will go 31+ |
| 17:36.54 | Tain | But at least you can get some things from the other trees now without spending half your points. |
| 17:37.19 | Shadowed | Sub tree is decent at least, not great but decent |
| 17:38.07 | Tain | There's good stuff it's just tough to justify spending point there when you're raiding. |
| 17:38.22 | Tain | I mean I think it's a huge improvement. |
| 17:38.31 | Kirov | Is it just me or does it seem like slouken is actually busy lately |
| 17:38.33 | Tain | The cooldown reducers combined together |
| 17:38.33 | Shadowed | but |
| 17:38.43 | Kirov | ~seen slouken |
| 17:38.46 | purl | slouken <n=Sam@ip68-5-37-254.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 19d 11h 38m 44s ago, saying: 'Good night everyone'. |
| 17:38.46 | Tain | Sleight of Hand is great. |
| 17:38.47 | Shadowed | I expect to see a post complaining about Weapon Expertise not including Fist weapons |
| 17:39.12 | Tain | haha well that's a good point. |
| 17:39.12 | End | It seems that slouken has been really busy lately to me too |
| 17:39.32 | Tain | haha didn't realize they took out throwing weapon spec entirely, good! |
| 17:39.39 | Kirov | I hope it's a lfg system |
| 17:39.42 | Shadowed | And improved distract |
| 17:40.02 | Kirov | They took out improved distract? |
| 17:40.18 | Kirov | but why? it was the most bestest talent in the world! </sarcasm> |
| 17:40.22 | End | lol |
| 17:40.27 | Shadowed | don't make me slap you |
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| 17:41.52 | Tain | They combined all the poison talents to 2, and I still wouldn't justify taking them. |
| 17:42.00 | Shadowed | Not sure what build i'll go with though, probably just the standard 20/31 with a CTS |
| 17:42.11 | Shadowed | Vile Poisons is decent for PVP |
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| 17:42.45 | Tain | Decent, but you'd have to say where to take 5 points away from somewhere else. |
| 17:42.47 | Shadowed | 40% chance to resist the cure effect is nice |
| 17:42.54 | Tain | And I'd argue that you really need Vile and Improved poisons to make it worth it. |
| 17:43.35 | Shadowed | If they reduced the points required for it they would be more used |
| 17:43.43 | End | hmm |
| 17:43.49 | Tain | heh so funny thing is the changes barely affect most common combat sword/mace combat specs. |
| 17:44.01 | End | that -is- a kinda neat talent |
| 17:44.10 | End | but I can't see it being generally useful |
| 17:44.17 | gnorlish | did they throw 2 new, decent things way up at the top of subtlety |
| 17:44.23 | gnorlish | just so people have to spec subtlety |
| 17:44.32 | Tain | Nope! |
| 17:44.36 | Shadowed | Deadliness and Heighten senses |
| 17:44.42 | Tain | Still Camoflauge and Master of Deception |
| 17:44.42 | Shadowed | s/highten/Hightened/ |
| 17:44.56 | End | wasn't there three talents at the top of subtlety? |
| 17:45.04 | End | didn't they merge two of them? |
| 17:45.27 | End | oh |
| 17:45.32 | Tain | They dropped down to merge, now you get Elusiveness which reduces the cooldown of 3 talents. |
| 17:45.33 | End | rapid concealment |
| 17:45.45 | Tain | Oh that's right |
| 17:45.45 | End | rapid concealment merged into camo |
| 17:45.45 | Shadowed | They merfed camo |
| 17:45.47 | Shadowed | merged* |
| 17:46.11 | Shadowed | To be fair, if this was like a year ago when WSG was just coming out and we had this kind of talent tree, I would probably go fairly far into sub. |
| 17:46.28 | Tain | I do like Camo and it's one that I always kept as an option just because I like the increased stealth speed being impatient. |
| 17:46.46 | Tain | Sub has good stuff in it. |
| 17:46.59 | Tain | I like Sleight of Hand. |
| 17:47.14 | Shadowed | I took camo over master of deception just because I can do better with moving faster then being harder to detect |
| 17:47.23 | Tain | I still think Ghostly Strike is meh. |
| 17:47.31 | Shadowed | at least it doesn't have a requirement |
| 17:47.37 | Tain | Yeah Shadowed most do. I just get impatient and want to go faster anyway. |
| 17:47.48 | End | hmm |
| 17:48.31 | Shadowed | damn you blizzard, why wont you add all the realms for transfers that you promised today :( |
| 17:48.33 | Tain | Ahhh ok there'd the attack power increase talent, way down teh bottom of Sub |
| 17:48.45 | Tain | Where almost no one will ever see it. |
| 17:48.47 | End | deadliness |
| 17:48.48 | End | ? |
| 17:48.52 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 17:49.00 | Shadowed | 10% increase for 5 points |
| 17:49.09 | Tain | After spending 25 points in Sub |
| 17:49.10 | Shadowed | 70-100 AP unbuffed? :/ |
| 17:49.22 | Shadowed | i'm 99% sure you gain more DPS from taking other talents then going that far for that |
| 17:49.32 | Shadowed | but if you have a specific reason to get that far then i guess it's nice |
| 17:50.00 | Tain | You really would Shadowed. I think it's there just to try to make up for some of the dps you lose by going heavy Sub |
| 17:50.08 | End | yeah |
| 17:50.34 | Tain | Ok let's say you are a heavy dagger user, I can see then going down, you can get some good increases for backstabs |
| 17:52.15 | Shadowed | the increase is only really 13 poitns n though |
| 17:52.41 | Tain | YOu know what I can't find a way to justify it at all. |
| 17:52.49 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 17:53.00 | Tain | Especially since Premeditation isn't all that great anyway. |
| 17:53.22 | Shadowed | Overall, it's a nice review but doesn't address the kiting issue |
| 17:53.36 | Tain | I like some of the stuff. I like the idea of Setup, and Improved Sap. |
| 17:53.53 | Tain | But it's utility stuff that doesn't justify taking points away from other things that are more direct improvements. |
| 17:54.46 | Shadowed | and then still the one big thing about improved sap. it's still 90% for 3 not 100% |
| 17:54.47 | wereHamster | so.. did you come up with a solution to the DKP problem? |
| 17:55.16 | End | -solution-? |
| 17:55.31 | Shadowed | Require people to DE all epics and only wear greens, and gkick loot whores |
| 17:55.38 | Shadowed | ^ the solution |
| 17:56.09 | End | ew greens |
| 17:56.14 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:56.31 | Kirov | That might also solve the whole "raiding" issue too |
| 17:56.41 | Shadowed | maybe! |
| 17:57.04 | End | I can't see some fights being done in greens |
| 17:57.10 | End | at all |
| 17:59.07 | Shadowed | pretty much can't do anything after rag in greens |
| 17:59.14 | Shadowed | err domo |
| 17:59.34 | End | yeah |
| 18:00.01 | Shadowed | Even then |
| 18:00.06 | Kirov | Huhuran! |
| 18:00.46 | End | what, is that where you only wear green NR? |
| 18:00.54 | Shadowed | And your DPS would suck for 30% |
| 18:01.05 | End | (I've never been that far...) |
| 18:01.29 | Shadowed | Basically, after domo everything either hits too hard, or requires resists |
| 18:01.55 | Shadowed | Even the people who do like MC/BWL in a month of a server opening still have blues and the epics they get on the way |
| 18:02.28 | Kirov | End - 15 people wear around 150+ (preferably around the 200+ range) nr, everyone else in their normal gear |
| 18:02.43 | Kirov | I still have 2 blues |
| 18:02.44 | End | ah |
| 18:02.56 | Kirov | But that's because I'm a hunter and the two best trinkets for hunters are blue |
| 18:03.01 | Shadowed | Kirov: In all greens your MT will die from either the NR DOT doing too much damage, or a combo of NR + Melee. |
| 18:03.08 | Kirov | and Drakefang won't freakin' drop |
| 18:03.25 | End | Shadowed, was that supposed to be directed at me? |
| 18:03.39 | Shadowed | no, just pointing out that even in green NR you wont survive |
| 18:03.45 | Kirov | True |
| 18:03.54 | Kirov | And most of my nr gear is blues |
| 18:03.59 | Kirov | and two purples |
| 18:03.59 | Shadowed | But you're not a MT/OT |
| 18:04.13 | Kirov | three actually |
| 18:04.21 | Shadowed | Even if you somehow get to 30%, everyone being in greens simply wont have the damage or healing to keep people up |
| 18:08.01 | Shadowed | yes! |
| 18:08.04 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=1310892&p=1&tmp=1#post1310892 |
| 18:08.57 | End | wow my memory is really dodgey right now |
| 18:09.06 | Shadowed | Took 10 minutes for someone to post that |
| 18:09.20 | End | by the time I followed that link I had forgotten how I had gotten there) |
| 18:10.00 | End | it wasn't til I flipped back to here I was like oooooh |
| 18:14.32 | Tain | haha Shadowed|sleep |
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| 18:47.07 | Shadowed|sleep | I slept like 3 hours, tired :p |
| 18:47.50 | Shadowed|sleep | unless you we're tlaking about the fist weapon complaint! |
| 18:50.51 | SilverShadow | is Kirkburn around at all? |
| 18:51.21 | Cairenn | ~seen kirkburn |
| 18:51.31 | purl | kirkburn <n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 20h 1m 1s ago, saying: 'g'night :P'. |
| 18:52.06 | SilverShadow | Ahh.. thanks Cairenn. ^_^ |
| 18:52.12 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 18:53.17 | Cairenn | so, did Nalk finally get in touch with you guys too? |
| 18:54.01 | SilverShadow | About clearfont? yea... |
| 18:54.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:54.18 | Cairenn | I hope he worded his "warning" to you guys a bit nicer |
| 18:54.22 | SilverShadow | I just wanted to give him a heads up about it. |
| 18:54.24 | Cairenn | I read him the riot act over it |
| 18:54.36 | Cairenn | Silver, he knows |
| 18:54.43 | Cairenn | you're about a week late :) |
| 18:54.50 | SilverShadow | Heh.. |
| 18:55.13 | SilverShadow | He just sent me the PM a day or two ago.. and I hadn't heard back from Kirkburn and was just double checking. |
| 18:55.34 | SilverShadow | some people don't check their PMs. I think ti's kinda funny myself. |
| 18:56.03 | Cairenn | Kirk knows, but where he just got home to GB after his year away, he's rather busy with things like life |
| 18:56.18 | Cairenn | and yeah, the guy is a dweeb |
| 18:58.19 | SilverShadow | Glad he's home then. |
| 18:59.25 | Cairenn | so besides that, how are you doing? we never see you around any more |
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| 19:00.17 | SilverShadow | I had some IRL stuff going on recently. and prepping for the new V3 of curse has been a hassle. but looking forward to it. |
| 19:01.02 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:01.27 | SilverShadow | That.. and mostly I keep forgetting to log into IRC.. o.0 |
| 19:02.11 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:04.22 | SilverShadow | Also been trying out some new games rather than just wow. Cabal.. enah.. I'd rather play D2. DDO is supringly good for all the bad stuff i've heard about it. |
| 19:04.27 | Cairenn | cool |
| 19:08.49 | Cairenn | TStorm rolling through, if I disappear that's why |
| 19:10.50 | SilverShadow | kk |
| 19:14.42 | Cide | http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060709/NEWS10/607090341/-1/archive |
| 19:14.44 | Cide | wow... |
| 19:16.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:17.36 | Cide | Curious about the taste and its effects, I dipped into this lake of liquor and drank what I considered to be 2 to 3 ounces. The next thing I remember is waking up in Crawford County Memorial Hospital. |
| 19:17.40 | ckknight | that is funny |
| 19:18.01 | Cairenn | he's frigging lucky he's still alive, moron |
| 19:20.52 | SilverShadow | somepeople.. "discriminating against him due to his "disease of alcoholism."" |
| 19:21.32 | Cairenn | well, it is a disease, but I don't see any discrimination going on there |
| 19:21.54 | Tain | DDO is a lot of fun if you have people to play with. It's sort of tough to find groups sometimes, and the long multi-stage quests are tough since you can't get someone in the middle of it if they're not at the same stage. |
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| 19:23.01 | SilverShadow | Tain, I've heard that's a problem. I was enticed by a friend of mine and we're getting some freidns of all the same level to go do quests together.. seems to be working out great |
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| 19:34.47 | Cairenn | Iriel! |
| 19:35.08 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 19:36.08 | Cairenn | you need to /msg ns ident yet hun |
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| 19:46.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:46.20 | Iriel | For some reason when i connect it takes a good 10 seconds before I get into channel, so I wander off and read something else. |
| 19:46.26 | Cairenn | ah |
| 19:48.42 | Kirov | allo Iriel |
| 19:50.06 | End | it seems to spend the most time "checking your hostname" or whatever for me |
| 19:55.00 | Wobin | yeah |
| 19:55.06 | Wobin | Especially when it fails to =P |
| 19:55.27 | Wobin | And if my nick is ghosted, it reconnects a few times before choosing another nick... although that could be xchat |
| 19:56.59 | End | see, some of us just never disconnect ;p |
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| 20:22.46 | Wobin | Anyone looked at the new rogue talents? |
| 20:23.52 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 20:24.14 | Tain | They don't affect most raiding Rogues who are sword/mace combat builds. |
| 20:24.20 | kergoth | erm, new rogue talents? |
| 20:24.39 | kergoth | i'm a dagger seal fate/combat, level 57 |
| 20:25.49 | Wobin | hm |
| 20:25.50 | Wobin | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues2/talents.html?0000000000000000230550100055100000550303100003012100 |
| 20:25.53 | Tain | New build calc is up |
| 20:25.53 | Tain | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues2/talents.html |
| 20:25.56 | Wobin | That'd be my possible respec |
| 20:26.06 | Wobin | mace/hemo |
| 20:26.39 | Wobin | Or I could go down Assas tree instead |
| 20:26.41 | Tain | I dunno |
| 20:26.56 | Tain | No Weap Expertise or Aggression means a lot less dps |
| 20:27.24 | Tain | But I do like the improvements in Subtelty. |
| 20:27.32 | Wobin | maybe 30/21 then |
| 20:27.37 | Tain | The problem is as a raiding Rogue you're almost all about dps. |
| 20:27.47 | Tain | Non-raiding I'd love to do a lot in Sub |
| 20:27.54 | Wobin | 2/2 weapon exp, 1, aggro |
| 20:28.05 | Wobin | 21 for hemo |
| 20:28.23 | Wobin | Since atm, our raiding group is ... short on rogues =P |
| 20:28.32 | Wobin | I can't depend on another rogue having hemo |
| 20:28.41 | Tain | Yeah |
| 20:29.15 | Tain | I just never rely on any rogue having Hemo |
| 20:29.30 | Wobin | Or even having the same target =P |
| 20:29.57 | Wobin | I'll probably switch to sword though =( |
| 20:30.02 | Wobin | It's hard to find nice maces |
| 20:30.31 | Elkano | how about http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues2/talents.html?3053000055013500230550000050100000000000000000000000 ? |
| 20:30.36 | Tain | There's not a lot, but Mass of McGowan is not hard to get. |
| 20:30.50 | Wobin | True, I've seen it a around sometimes |
| 20:31.09 | Tain | But after that for good bop maces I'm not sure. |
| 20:31.16 | Wobin | imp kidney shot is quite nice |
| 20:31.16 | Tain | Other than the Misplaced Servo Arm |
| 20:31.25 | Wobin | ooh? Where's that from? |
| 20:31.39 | Elkano | well, hemo is 210 damge, isn't it? |
| 20:32.26 | Wobin | I dunno =\ |
| 20:32.31 | Wobin | is that a flat rate? |
| 20:32.34 | Elkano | so SS would be more damage for the energy (but most likely more aggro) |
| 20:32.35 | Tain | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=23221 Misplaced Servo Arm |
| 20:32.37 | Elkano | well 7x30 |
| 20:32.57 | Wobin | Thanks, Tain =) |
| 20:33.12 | Wobin | oh naxx =( |
| 20:33.15 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 20:33.17 | Wobin | Something I'm never going to see =P |
| 20:34.46 | Wobin | How did you get 210? |
| 20:34.57 | Wobin | Is that from the +7 damage? |
| 20:35.47 | Elkano | +7 damages x 30 charges |
| 20:35.59 | Wobin | ah |
| 20:36.09 | Wobin | That's only solo damage, though |
| 20:36.12 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 20:36.14 | Wobin | no you're right |
| 20:36.21 | Wobin | if it didn't refresh each time you used it |
| 20:36.32 | Wobin | Which you would |
| 20:36.35 | Wobin | since it's a lower energy cost |
| 20:37.01 | Wobin | unless you're soloing |
| 20:37.04 | Wobin | (maybe?) |
| 20:37.41 | Elkano | so I don't see the point in hemo |
| 20:37.52 | Wobin | with hemo, you'd want a slow heavy damage mace/sword |
| 20:38.17 | Wobin | .. so you -could- Hemo, then ImpSS a few times, then Hemo, ImpSS etc |
| 20:38.47 | Wobin | I'm not sure if the damage output would be worthwhile not just sticking to hemo though, since you'll setup combo points faster |
| 20:40.22 | Wobin | The +40% to resist dispel for Vile Poisons, isn't too bad =) |
| 20:41.23 | Wobin | Not too sure about Sleight of Hand |
| 20:42.29 | Tain | Dispel resist though is only useful in pvp, and not even that useful then. |
| 20:42.47 | Tain | I like Sleight of Hand for raiding, you can go balls out damage and not even think about it. |
| 20:44.38 | Wobin | It seems the changes are good for pvp |
| 20:55.02 | kergoth | ooh, the new imp kidney shot looks sweet |
| 20:56.33 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:56.50 | kergoth | sleight of hand does look nice, but i dunno if i want to go subtlety at all |
| 20:59.33 | Wobin | I think I'll certainly give it a go, as I've never had a hemo build before |
| 21:00.51 | kergoth | i think i'm gonna stick with a similar build to what i have now, seal fate daggers, keep s&d up + berserk in raids |
| 21:00.54 | kergoth | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues2/talents.html?3053031050113503203510100500100000000000000000000000 or so |
| 21:02.21 | kergoth | hmm, dont get aggression though |
| 21:03.49 | Shadowed | Something to mention, but theres conflicting data regarding Servo Arm. Havn't seen somebody actually post good data yet proving proc rate |
| 21:03.50 | Elkano | no offhand spec? |
| 21:03.53 | Shadowed | also, hemo is bad :p |
| 21:04.54 | kergoth | i like seal fate, but considering i'm raiding, maybe i should switch the focus from assassination to combat and pick up weapon expertise and aggression |
| 21:06.54 | kergoth | opinions on http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues2/talents.html?3053031050010003203250000540100230000000000000000000 ? |
| 21:07.53 | Wobin | Shadowed: why bad? |
| 21:08.16 | MoonWolf | kergoth, not bad. |
| 21:16.46 | Shadowed | it's hemo! |
| 21:17.16 | Wobin | oh okay =P |
| 21:17.17 | Kirov | Anyone use an nvidia card and annoyed by the "SLI" warning? |
| 21:18.02 | Shadowed | kergoth: Why get cold blood over adrenaline rush? |
| 21:18.42 | Shadowed | Adrenaline rush should do more damage in 6 minutes over a free crit twice in 6 minutes |
| 21:19.53 | Shadowed | Personally, i'd also take 1 more point into D/W spec and dropping a point from Aggression |
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| 21:20.38 | kergoth | hmm, not a bad idea. considering i backstab more than i ss and all, not a sword build |
| 21:21.43 | Shadowed | Have you checked the math yet regarding +5 daggers VS 20% increased damage on backstab? |
| 21:22.04 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:22.45 | Shadowed | I havn't really watched too closely what's been said about +weapon skills, but I'm pretty sure 20% increased damage will beat +5 daggers |
| 21:23.23 | kergoth | 20% increased damage? what talent is that? |
| 21:23.32 | Gngsk | opportunity |
| 21:23.48 | Shadowed | Basically a standard combat/daggers build |
| 21:24.20 | kergoth | hmm... you can tell i started from a seal fate build, it was geared toward as many crits as possible :) |
| 21:24.29 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 21:25.22 | Shadowed | http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?f0eMoxZhfi00yzZV0x thats basically combat/daggers |
| 21:25.39 | Shadowed | Except i'd take 2 improved sinister strike over 2 dodge |
| 21:26.02 | kergoth | yes, but with the new tree, i'd lose out on aggression and weapon expertise |
| 21:26.11 | kergoth | which i think are worthwhile |
| 21:26.39 | Shadowed | Well, it depends on two things |
| 21:26.56 | Shadowed | Is +5 daggers better damage then 20%? How much will Eviscerate scale by? |
| 21:27.42 | kergoth | you're still ignoring what i'd sacrifice to take away +5 daggers |
| 21:28.03 | kergoth | +5 weapon skill is nothing to shake a stick at, particularly given how often we miss dual wielding |
| 21:28.45 | Shadowed | Which is why I mentioned that it depends on how much gain from +5 weapon skills, maybe it's a nice increase but 20% backstab could still eb better. |
| 21:29.08 | kergoth | ah, i thought you mean +5 dagger spec, not +5 dagger skill |
| 21:29.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:29.51 | Shadowed | Basically it's +21% increase to Eviserate and +5 daggers VS 10% more offhand damage and 20% backstab increase |
| 21:30.27 | Shadowed | I mostly stopped using Eviscerate once I switched to a 20/31 combat/swords was keeping slice and dice up usually |
| 21:31.15 | kergoth | how do you get 21%? aggression only increases by 6%, no? |
| 21:31.36 | Shadowed | 6% from aggression, 15% from improved evisercate |
| 21:31.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:32.57 | kergoth | looks like the 21% to evis and 20% to backstab would be pretty damn close, damage output wise, assuming you're continuously spending the points on evis, which isnt likely |
| 21:33.27 | Shadowed | I doubt you're going to have the spare combo points that often to use evis |
| 21:34.18 | kergoth | i wonder about the weapon skill increase. /me checks the wowwiki formulas section |
| 21:35.19 | Shadowed | It takes 30 seconds ( 60 energy backstab, 20 energy regen ) to get 5 combo points, and I believe with improved slice and dice it last5s about 21-25 seconds? |
| 21:35.30 | Shadowed | s/last5s/lasts/ |
| 21:44.37 | Tain | You do have spare combo points to evis in the middle fo snd if you're using Imp SnD and Ruthlessness/Relentless Strikes. |
| 21:45.01 | Tain | Often can skip an entire SnD cycle. |
| 21:45.23 | Shadowed | But we're not talking being able to use it half the fight |
| 21:46.14 | Tain | If you're starting out with Backstab maybe, I don't know. |
| 21:46.43 | Shadowed | have they released the new evis yet? |
| 21:46.44 | Tain | If your numbers are correct to get to 5 points in 30 seconds. |
| 21:46.57 | Tain | Not that I've seen. But I wouldn't expect much. |
| 21:47.06 | Shadowed | ~6*5 |
| 21:47.11 | purl | 30 |
| 21:47.11 | Tain | Rank IX Backstab is a tiny upgrade. |
| 21:47.13 | Shadowed | guess that doesn't work |
| 21:47.15 | Shadowed | there we go |
| 21:47.15 | Tain | As are most of the new rank upgrade books. |
| 21:47.41 | Shadowed | It's also assuming the perfect case of you never miss though |
| 21:47.42 | Tain | So I'd expect a minor upgrade in damage, but nothing that's going to throw everything into a new light. |
| 21:48.34 | Tain | But still, that's 30 seconds. If you're fighting a single thing that dies in 30 seconds, ok. |
| 21:48.49 | Shadowed | well, i'm talking more in terms of bosses not trash |
| 21:48.52 | Tain | There's some cutoff point of the time in combat that it will make a difference. |
| 21:49.32 | Tain | Not to mention whether or not you're able to open with Cheap Shot. |
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| 21:52.02 | zespri_work | mroning |
| 21:52.33 | kergoth | that +5 weapon skill will add what, 0.2% to hit overall? that plus the +21% to evis is still probably not enough to compensate for the loss of the backstab damage, at least for a dagger rogue, afaict.. |
| 21:53.11 | zespri_work | I wish I had clear idea on this kind of things |
| 21:53.14 | Shadowed | So basically Blizzard buffed combat swords :p |
| 21:53.17 | Tain | See I think it is completely different with a dagger rogue, I think you almost have to get imp backstab no matter what else you get. |
| 21:53.30 | Tain | Not really, combat swords are barely different. |
| 21:53.41 | Shadowed | Even a 0.1% change is still a buff! |
| 21:53.50 | zespri_work | like if I ahve an item that 50 armor better but replaces +10 intellect with +10 strength should I take it as shaman? |
| 21:53.58 | zespri_work | this kind of things always puzzle me |
| 21:54.05 | kergoth | that depends |
| 21:54.05 | Tain | They changed the other trees a lot more than combat. |
| 21:54.12 | kergoth | are you enhancement, zespri_work? |
| 21:54.19 | kergoth | if not, i'd say no |
| 21:54.31 | zespri_work | I'm going to be 30/0/31 |
| 21:54.32 | zespri_work | 21 |
| 21:54.35 | Tain | And you can't easily be a good combat sword/mace rogue and go deep in the Subtelty tree at all |
| 21:54.47 | zespri_work | no, not enchancment |
| 21:55.12 | zespri_work | well, it's just an example |
| 21:55.22 | zespri_work | this kind of choices happens all the time |
| 21:55.57 | zespri_work | on the other hand the good thing is that I bought 6 14 slot bags last weekend 3g each |
| 21:56.14 | zespri_work | because on our server they are 5g normaly, no idea why |
| 21:57.32 | Shadowed | whats runecloth at? |
| 21:58.13 | End | I tried to get rid of a 14 slot bag during a raid once, but noone wanted it |
| 21:58.15 | zespri_work | don't know, because a runecloth never deoped for me so far |
| 21:58.27 | zespri_work | You see I'm lvl 49 now |
| 21:58.33 | zespri_work | on this server |
| 21:58.59 | zespri_work | chances are that when you 60 you already have all 14slotters |
| 21:59.38 | zespri_work | so did the envasion ended on all servers? |
| 21:59.45 | End | I had mostly 16slotter when I hit 60 |
| 21:59.46 | Shadowed | Ends at 150 wins |
| 21:59.46 | zespri_work | *invasion |
| 22:00.17 | zespri_work | there is no more tent in thunderbluff but there is still an npc that gives the stamina item |
| 22:00.48 | zespri_work | or may be it wasn't invason related tent, maybe it was bg holiday related tent I don;t know |
| 22:01.01 | Shadowed | no the +30 STA items are there forever i think |
| 22:01.01 | End | hmm |
| 22:01.15 | Shadowed | or at least, we havn't found anything to suggest that they disappear |
| 22:07.30 | ckknight | back |
| 22:09.14 | zespri_work | When or when will they fix bloody herod sholders for tauren =( |
| 22:09.29 | zespri_work | I'm sick of looking and one shouldered toon |
| 22:13.54 | Kirov | http://www.askaninja.com/node/1175 |
| 22:22.31 | zespri_work | is there a way to find out total XP on the next level? |
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| 22:40.09 | ckknight_ | hey AnduinLothar, is Chronos.afterInit supposed to fire _after_ you join the channels? |
| 22:41.25 | AnduinLothar | is this a trick question? |
| 22:41.29 | ckknight_ | no |
| 22:41.33 | ckknight_ | I'm actually wondering |
| 22:41.48 | AnduinLothar | then yes, it's supposed to |
| 22:41.52 | zespri_work | I wonder what 3-5 in GetRestState() mean |
| 22:41.52 | ckknight_ | cause the documentation doesn't go into it |
| 22:41.54 | ckknight_ | okay |
| 22:41.59 | ckknight_ | I've gotten it so it fires before |
| 22:42.06 | ckknight_ | just so you know |
| 22:42.16 | End | zespri_work: I don't think they exist any more |
| 22:42.23 | AnduinLothar | under what circumstances? |
| 22:42.31 | ckknight_ | just logging in |
| 22:42.40 | ckknight_ | I had it fire a print message |
| 22:42.42 | AnduinLothar | The documentation was written before I implimented that delay |
| 22:42.42 | zespri_work | End, so you have some information that they were actually used? |
| 22:42.52 | ckknight_ | it printed "alpha", then joined the channels |
| 22:42.54 | End | from what I've read, they were used during beta |
| 22:43.01 | AnduinLothar | print messages are faster than channel joins btw |
| 22:43.13 | ckknight_ | 0.5 seconds faster? |
| 22:43.19 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 22:43.28 | AnduinLothar | channel joins are 'slow; |
| 22:43.34 | zespri_work | End, oh ok. I wonder why didn;t they clean up from their lua then. they usually do eventually |
| 22:43.41 | ckknight_ | so afterInit doesn't fire after channel joins, then? |
| 22:44.20 | End | zespri_work: well, I think client side (internally, beyond lua) they still exist |
| 22:44.28 | AnduinLothar | it's suppossed to fire after they have been requested to join... so that a GetChannelByName will work and any JoinChannelByName will occur after the join |
| 22:44.32 | End | although yeah, they should have cleaned it up by now |
| 22:44.39 | ckknight_ | ah, okay |
| 22:44.48 | ckknight_ | I understand |
| 22:44.54 | AnduinLothar | if that is not the case 100% of the time then it is news to me and should probably be fixed |
| 22:45.29 | AnduinLothar | but the response back from the server that you have actually joined it is slow |
| 22:45.38 | End | so, the actual channels may not have been joined yet, any new joins should occur after the normal ones? |
| 22:45.38 | ckknight_ | okay |
| 22:45.52 | AnduinLothar | so, the server knows... your client may or may not |
| 22:46.02 | ckknight_ | will you be able to know what channels you have joined? |
| 22:46.14 | AnduinLothar | that's why the 1-sec delay on joinign channels is better than waiting for the response |
| 22:46.41 | ckknight_ | is it better? |
| 22:47.04 | End | zespri_work: As players kill monsters and gain experience points, they become increasingly tired. Their rest level reflects this tiredness in five tiers: well rested, rested, normal, fatigued and exhausted |
| 22:47.40 | Cide | fatigued and exhausted were the worst ideas ever implemented in an mmorpg |
| 22:47.43 | AnduinLothar | I believe SkyChannelManager.getCurrentChannelTable() works on Chronos.afterInit, which means GetChannelList() should work and GetChannelName _should_ work |
| 22:48.00 | End | that's probably why they took them out |
| 22:48.19 | Cide | yep |
| 22:48.36 | AnduinLothar | but i haven't done testing recently, all I know is my old code still works |
| 22:50.01 | ckknight_ | unit tests for the win |
| 22:50.10 | AnduinLothar | not a big fan |
| 22:50.15 | ckknight_ | really? |
| 22:50.19 | ckknight | why? |
| 22:50.56 | AnduinLothar | I find that I end up writing new tests to replace my old ones whenever I make new code |
| 22:51.36 | ckknight | okay, but it's good to keep track of things that should stay the same, but don't |
| 22:51.41 | AnduinLothar | I'd rather pay someone else to do field testing... |
| 22:51.48 | AnduinLothar | I understand it's worth |
| 22:51.53 | AnduinLothar | i just hate them |
| 22:51.53 | ckknight | it's a safety issue and all |
| 22:52.01 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:52.26 | AnduinLothar | and since i'm not getting payed for this.. |
| 22:52.38 | AnduinLothar | i don't often do things i hate for free |
| 22:53.00 | AnduinLothar | just a personal thing |
| 22:53.41 | AnduinLothar | Shameless Ad for my new toy, ReputationMenu: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5143 |
| 22:54.14 | ckknight | alright |
| 22:54.20 | Kirov | Anduin - there's no way to select "player xp"? |
| 22:54.23 | ckknight | I like to test and properly document all my stuff |
| 22:54.28 | ckknight | because it's important to me |
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| 22:54.39 | ckknight | and I like my users to trust the work I do |
| 22:54.49 | AnduinLothar | Kirov, the xp bar and reputation bar are two different bars |
| 22:55.02 | ckknight | make sure it uses proper memory, cpu cycles, no big errors |
| 22:55.04 | ckknight | etc. |
| 22:55.06 | Kirov | ah |
| 22:55.20 | AnduinLothar | I could add that as a feature I spose, but I'm runnign short on buttons allowed by the built-in menus |
| 22:55.50 | ckknight | if someone sees my work, they know what to expect from it. Reputation is all I have from this, and I do respect my users and their input |
| 22:55.54 | Kirov | ckknight - meh, be like me and release code that has missing end statements and copy n' pasted code with the same global variables as the mod it was borrowed from. |
| 22:56.19 | AnduinLothar | aye, my guidelines for public release are much less stringent |
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| 22:57.25 | ckknight | Kirov, yea, I fix things fast, though ;-) |
| 22:57.40 | ckknight | but I don't like to copy-paste |
| 22:57.45 | ckknight | or use globals too much |
| 22:58.17 | Kirov | Another favorite of mine is releasing mods with debug spam still enabled |
| 22:58.26 | AnduinLothar | been there, done that |
| 22:58.31 | Kirov | mmm boy does it make lots of comments |
| 22:58.55 | Kirov | "I can't read anything in my guild chat frame, it's filled with random numbers!" |
| 22:59.03 | AnduinLothar | yesterday i released wardrobe prematurely and it had glaring errors i didn't find till later in the day |
| 22:59.45 | AnduinLothar | I removed and experimental tabularization of xml refrences and had to rename every single xml refrence |
| 22:59.55 | AnduinLothar | missed a few |
| 23:00.21 | AnduinLothar | oh man, anyone used that talk like a pirate mod? it's hillarious |
| 23:00.49 | ckknight | I like SVN |
| 23:00.57 | ckknight | it allows a subset of advanced users to test |
| 23:01.03 | ckknight | without harming the overall public |
| 23:01.09 | AnduinLothar | so do i, but it needs internal links |
| 23:01.22 | ckknight | you don't have a readable SVN, do you? |
| 23:01.32 | ckknight | and internal links? |
| 23:01.36 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 23:01.49 | Cide | is it just me, or is wowinterface down? www.wowinterface.com |
| 23:01.52 | ckknight | still don't know why not... |
| 23:02.16 | AnduinLothar | svn:externals for files in your same repository that works for files and not just folders |
| 23:02.25 | AnduinLothar | needs to be implimented |
| 23:02.45 | AnduinLothar | if I had my own personal svn it might be public |
| 23:02.57 | ckknight | it's not necessary, AL |
| 23:03.06 | kergoth | externals is a hack, at best. |
| 23:03.10 | ckknight | Ace gets by fine by having one lua file in a folder |
| 23:03.16 | AnduinLothar | exactly, they need to make it better |
| 23:03.19 | kergoth | a hack around the fact that svn lacks support for real 'views', ala clearcase/perforce |
| 23:03.20 | ckknight | but yea, it's a bit hackish |
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| 23:03.49 | AnduinLothar | so i dont have to have multiple coppies of identical files to maintain |
| 23:03.51 | kergoth | svk is gaining support for views, and it uses svn under the hood. it already has things svn doesnt have, like tracking of merge points in properties, and star merging and cherry picking |
| 23:04.27 | Wobin | mmm |
| 23:04.29 | Wobin | cherries |
| 23:04.37 | ckknight | why does he keep quiting? |
| 23:04.53 | Wobin | I don't think it had anything to do with the convo |
| 23:06.27 | ckknight | alright |
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| 23:06.28 | Wobin | 'lo net |
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| 23:13.43 | Wobin | wb al |
| 23:13.59 | AnduinLothar | just a reboot for some system upgrades |
| 23:17.18 | SilverShadow | yea.. i need to reboot. stupid windows update. >_< |
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| 23:40.14 | wereHamster | does anyone know what arguments StatusBar:SetOrientation() takes? |
| 23:40.44 | Kirov | "vertical" "horizontal" |
| 23:40.57 | Kirov | I believe those are the args slouken mentioned |
| 23:42.27 | wereHamster | hm.. can't I make the statusbar go from right to left? |
| 23:42.42 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:43.37 | AnduinLothar | mmm, that's allignment, no? |
| 23:44.02 | AnduinLothar | "LEFT", "CENTER", "RIGHT" in xml |
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| 23:48.48 | Shadowed | July 10 realm transfers up btw |
| 23:48.54 | Shadowed | s/10/10th/ |
| 23:48.59 | Wobin | wereHamster: nope |
| 23:49.15 | Wobin | wereHamster: Whether it goes from left to right or bottom to top |
| 23:49.45 | Wobin | wereHamster: afaict we can't make it empty from the other direction =( As much as I've tried to make it so =P |
| 23:49.58 | Wobin | Although, if you implemented your own statusbar, you could, I guess |
| 23:50.04 | wereHamster | I think I've found a way to imitate right-to-left.. |
| 23:50.13 | Wobin | howso? =) |
| 23:50.20 | Iriel|working | Oritentation is indeed "HORIZONTAL" "VERTICAL" (You can check the XSD) |
| 23:50.28 | wereHamster | setpoint("right" and anjust the width |
| 23:50.44 | Wobin | hehe basically implementing your own statusbar |
| 23:50.48 | Thrae | Why would anyone want Right-to-Left? Grow on Depletion I could understand. |
| 23:50.57 | Wobin | I wanted it for GonffBar |
| 23:51.15 | Wobin | originally I wanted it full in both directions, then heading into the centre |
| 23:51.48 | Thrae | Yeah, but I think most people position their UIs from Left to Right. I guess there are some weirdos who do it Right to Left ;) |
| 23:52.15 | wereHamster | I want a bar like this: [[ ===| ]] '|' is in the middle and the bar should grow to the left or right.. |
| 23:52.26 | Wobin | yeah, that's what I was after |
| 23:52.36 | Wobin | or rather, in my case, do both |
| 23:52.40 | wereHamster | it will be a healing estimator ;) |
| 23:52.48 | Wobin | negative heal? |
| 23:53.00 | Wobin | oh damage taken deficit? |
| 23:53.18 | wereHamster | center will be 'target will he healed to 100%, growing to the right=overheal, to the left=target will be missing some HP |
| 23:53.28 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:53.29 | Wobin | nice |
| 23:53.46 | wereHamster | just downed Patchwork :) |
| 23:53.59 | Shadowed | wereHamster: grats |
| 23:54.11 | wereHamster | Unfortunately I wasn't there.. :( |
| 23:54.13 | Wobin | although, since I already use a heal predicting addon (ie only cast to the closest deficit...) |
| 23:55.02 | Kirov | were - just roll your own. |
| 23:55.33 | wereHamster | Wobin, in the Patchwerk encounter , I think the addon wouldn't work, as you have to use the highest heals all the time and start casting when the target has 100%HP |
| 23:55.38 | Kirov | a texture object and setwidth and setpoint onupdate |
| 23:55.58 | Wobin | oh aye, it's a proactive healing encounter |
| 23:56.16 | Wobin | but in those cases, why would you care if you overhealed? You'd have to anyway to keep up, no? |
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| 23:58.35 | wereHamster | if someone elses heal lands first, and you'd overheal let's say 90% you abort, but if the tank still is missing X HP you keep casting.. |
| 23:59.18 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:59.55 | Wobin | have it show percentages too =) |
