| 00:00.06 | Legorol | so that'd imply he works both on the client and server code |
| 00:00.28 | Thrae | Well, I don't know if he knows OpenGL or advanced server architecture. |
| 00:00.58 | Corrodias | go into the blizzard peronnel offices and steal his resume |
| 00:01.01 | Thrae | Yeah, it sounds like to me from past posts of slouken, CMs, and Devs that Blizzard works on a shared code principle. Maybe using a system similiar to CVS/SVN. |
| 00:01.23 | Iriel | I know of no development group that does NOT use a shared version control system. |
| 00:01.27 | Iriel | No functional one, anyway |
| 00:02.07 | Iriel | Once you have more than about 2 people, it becomes vital, even with just teams of one it's crazy not to do it |
| 00:02.36 | zinor | i think the best thing about it is the ease of taking things from dev->live |
| 00:02.40 | Thrae | Iriel: I've worked with some that have separate coding departments which don't intermingle and base everything on a singular design principle. Many of them claim it's so "maintenance is easier, as this way we naturally code in such a way with others in mind" |
| 00:03.02 | Thrae | s/maintenance/client maintenance/. |
| 00:03.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge joesv (n=joe-mcla@cpe-24-93-148-156.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 00:03.37 | joesv | hey guys, do you own wowinterface.org ? |
| 00:04.02 | Thrae | My CS 410 prof. was also able to spout off a few Fortune 500 companies off the top of his head which didn't use a real shared code design. |
| 00:04.15 | Wobin | not .org... .com...*points to Cairenn* |
| 00:04.42 | Hexarobi | im a little confused about how saved variables work, i declare default values in my addons onLoad? then i can registerevent VARIABLES_LOADED and check that in my addons onEvent handler? |
| 00:04.53 | Iriel | Hexarobi : use ADDON_LOADED |
| 00:05.03 | Iriel | Hexarobi : But basically yes,did you read the wiki howto on them? |
| 00:05.04 | Hexarobi | im using ADDON_LOADED |
| 00:05.04 | Corrodias | okay, "whose line is it anyway?" is on. screw you all. |
| 00:05.06 | Hexarobi | yes |
| 00:05.13 | Kirov | Iriel - I think we're still a few steps from making sure he uses the correct event |
| 00:05.14 | Hexarobi | but i cant get my addon loaded event to fire |
| 00:05.22 | Cairenn | joesv: what can we do for you? |
| 00:05.25 | Thrae | joesv: Yes, that's why it redirects to nibbets.com...no, wowinterface.org is an evil redirect to an unrelated website. |
| 00:05.32 | Iriel | It fires ALWAYS, no matyter whether youhave variables or not, did you remember to register for it |
| 00:05.45 | Iriel | And does the frame you register with have an <OnEvent> handler, and does it call the right function? |
| 00:05.47 | joesv | well |
| 00:05.54 | joesv | someone told me you're owned by ige |
| 00:05.55 | joesv | why? |
| 00:06.02 | Cairenn | *sigh* |
| 00:06.14 | Hexarobi | ahh ok |
| 00:06.21 | Wobin | Cairenn: I really think you need a FAQ =P |
| 00:06.23 | Kirkburn | zomg, that wowinterface.org thing is evil. He's a maniac |
| 00:06.33 | Kirov | Cairenn - Don't you have this dead horse hung up some place? |
| 00:06.36 | Hexarobi | i did this:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED"), but i didnt add an OnEvent in my xml |
| 00:06.37 | Iriel | My left middle toenail is owned by IGE |
| 00:06.44 | Wobin | I think it's an albatross, Kirov |
| 00:06.45 | Cairenn | joesv: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1478 |
| 00:06.52 | joesv | on wowinterface.org there's a link to the top that is for "whatisige" and it shows you there |
| 00:06.56 | Thrae | All redirecting "similiarly named" websites should be illegal. |
| 00:06.58 | joesv | :o |
| 00:07.13 | Iriel | Thrae : Even if they redirect to the RIGHT website? |
| 00:07.29 | joesv | wait |
| 00:07.36 | joesv | ogaming is owned by ige |
| 00:07.39 | Thrae | s/should be illegal./should be illegal if they don't redirect to the name they are similiar to./ |
| 00:07.50 | Cairenn | no, it isn't |
| 00:08.02 | Thrae | Or a website managed by the same people, etc. |
| 00:08.07 | Thrae | You know what I mean! |
| 00:08.08 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@proxy-ce1.disney.com) |
| 00:08.09 | joesv | hmm |
| 00:08.21 | Thrae | If I type in www.goooogle.com by mistake, I should go to "search.com/goooogle/ |
| 00:08.28 | Thrae | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 00:08.47 | Cairenn | OGaming (now a part of Zam.com) is owned by the same parent company that owns IGE, OG is not owned by IGE |
| 00:08.48 | joesv | this guy named ahmed said he sold ogaming to ige |
| 00:08.49 | Kirkburn | Look! A butterfly! See the beauty! |
| 00:08.55 | Thrae | Everyone understands me! |
| 00:08.57 | Wobin | omg |
| 00:09.00 | Thrae | I mean...no one understands me! |
| 00:09.13 | Cairenn | rofl, ahmed? who the heck is ahmed? |
| 00:09.38 | joesv | if you dont know ahmed, then maybe your information is a bit off |
| 00:09.55 | Kirkburn | Do tell |
| 00:10.00 | joesv | so IGE pays for your site? |
| 00:10.05 | Cairenn | look, do me a favour, please? |
| 00:10.43 | joesv | I don't do favors for gold sellers |
| 00:10.44 | joesv | >:( |
| 00:10.48 | Cairenn | this channel is for authors of world of warcraft interface mods to discuss coding. take your trolling elsewhere, no one in here really gives a shit |
| 00:10.57 | joesv | I care |
| 00:11.01 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [joesv!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 00:11.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge joesv (n=joe-mcla@cpe-24-93-148-156.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 00:11.10 | Kirkburn | yay |
| 00:11.13 | joesv | that's not very nice |
| 00:11.15 | Kirkburn | ooh heck |
| 00:11.16 | joesv | i'm just curious :( |
| 00:11.24 | Kirkburn | She does NOT sell gold |
| 00:11.30 | Cairenn | neither is you coming in here trying to stir up trouble |
| 00:11.33 | zinor | O.o9 |
| 00:11.41 | Cairenn | now, I've asked you nicely once |
| 00:11.42 | Wobin | joesv: Well -you- obviously sell gold |
| 00:11.46 | Cairenn | I've kicked you once |
| 00:11.50 | zinor | whats the dif of ige owning ogaming,and the company that owns ige owning ogaming? |
| 00:11.51 | Cairenn | don't make me ban you |
| 00:12.05 | Kirkburn | zinor, a *world* of difference |
| 00:12.05 | zinor | seems the same to me :x |
| 00:12.11 | Wobin | What? I can't make baseless claims too? =P |
| 00:12.17 | zinor | doesnt allt he money from ige pay for all their other stuff? |
| 00:12.23 | Cairenn | if you don't understand that difference, then you know very little of the world outside and I'd suggest you go explore it some |
| 00:12.40 | zinor | im actually quite up to date with the whole ordeal myself |
| 00:13.08 | Cairenn | now, yet again, this conversation is closed as it has precisely nothing to do with what this channel is about, and you interrupted a conversation already in progress |
| 00:13.13 | zinor | zam.com is made by ige's parent company (founded by ige) to combine all their assets |
| 00:13.18 | zinor | as i understand it |
| 00:13.28 | zinor | some guy, yantis i think, was discussing it w/ me a while back |
| 00:13.41 | Shadowed | look a kitty! |
| 00:13.45 | Wobin | omg |
| 00:13.47 | Wobin | not the kitty =( |
| 00:13.48 | joesv | you seem to be very defensive about it. just a little curiousity ;o |
| 00:13.51 | Kirkburn | AddOn channel. Not IGE channel. |
| 00:13.56 | zinor | wheres ige channel :x |
| 00:14.02 | Wobin | #ige |
| 00:14.07 | Kirkburn | Hell. |
| 00:14.07 | Iriel | She's defensive because of idiots like you showing up throwing your lack of knowledge around. |
| 00:14.09 | zinor | its empty :( |
| 00:14.11 | Kirkburn | Sorry, #hell |
| 00:14.12 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 00:14.14 | joesv | lack of knowledge? |
| 00:14.14 | Wobin | Fancy that |
| 00:14.30 | Wobin | aka ignorance =) |
| 00:14.37 | Iriel | Go somewhere else, nboth of you, we have no interest in your petty quibbling. If you want to discuss wow addon development, stay, contribute, whatever, otherwise, begone. |
| 00:14.37 | Wobin | It's a nicer term |
| 00:14.42 | Kirkburn | joesv, you'd think the lady personally involved in it all, might have some knowledge of the matter |
| 00:14.54 | Wobin | Well, duh |
| 00:14.57 | Wobin | Ahmed told him |
| 00:15.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 00:15.06 | Kirkburn | About AddOns, I hope |
| 00:15.30 | Kirov | Don't forget Yantis, the would-be gold farmer turned informat |
| 00:15.37 | zinor | im just telling the facts ;x |
| 00:15.45 | zinor | just contributing! |
| 00:15.57 | Kirkburn | The death of a poor kitten :P |
| 00:15.58 | Thrae | joesv: Many people who learn of that truth create a bias and then come to Cairenn, etc. and not just ask them to explain the situation, they ask them to _prove_ what they said. Like them working for WoWInterface isn't proof enough they understand the situation better then some random website. |
| 00:16.00 | Kirkburn | *to the ... |
| 00:16.41 | Thrae | We're not going to play judge and jury in here. |
| 00:16.57 | Iriel | though we're happy to play executioner.. Muhahahahahaha |
| 00:17.03 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 00:17.13 | Tem | I like being all three, personallyl |
| 00:17.21 | Kirkburn | I wondered why you were wearing that black hood |
| 00:17.46 | Kirov | Iriel - meh, these guys hardly drop anything worth while, low chance of dropping a green and some copper. |
| 00:17.47 | Tem | Iriel, can you request a different avatar? |
| 00:17.47 | Thrae | Now getting on a similiar topic of judge,jury, and executioner - Judge Dredd was an awesome comic, lame movie. |
| 00:18.01 | Tem | because seriously, an executionor avatar would rock |
| 00:18.08 | Thrae | The lame movie was only even semi-decent because the comic was awesome. |
| 00:18.08 | joesv | i thought this channel was about wow interfaces ;) |
| 00:18.14 | Iriel | Tem: Not that I know of. |
| 00:18.17 | Wobin | yes. Addons =P |
| 00:18.19 | Tem | (spell that word properly in your head) |
| 00:18.27 | Tem | Iriel, :( |
| 00:19.12 | Kirkburn | Judge, jury and executioner: a man in a face-covering black wig with multiple personality syndrome |
| 00:19.41 | Cairenn | back to previous discussion, Slouken rocks |
| 00:19.49 | Thrae | One Piece the anime has a three-headed giant as a judge,jury, and executioner, heh. |
| 00:20.10 | Kirkburn | What an original discussion we were having :P |
| 00:20.11 | Shadowed | Cairenn needs to go bake slouken some cookies! |
| 00:20.15 | Cairenn | and I do believe that they do use shared version control |
| 00:20.26 | Iriel | They do. |
| 00:20.40 | Thrae | Well, I was wondering if they used something like SVN. That would totally rock. |
| 00:20.55 | Kirov | slouken needs some pirate cookies |
| 00:20.56 | Thrae | Some type of code sharing management system. |
| 00:21.08 | Kirkburn | Cos, like, SVN roxxors your soxxors? |
| 00:21.21 | Thrae | Instead of "wtf why doesn't this code work...oh wait, Bill changed this line" |
| 00:21.30 | Kirov | I believe they use perforce |
| 00:21.44 | Thrae | They use the Force? |
| 00:21.50 | Thrae | "This is not the code you're looking for." |
| 00:22.00 | Hexarobi | ok one more question ;) |
| 00:22.18 | Hexarobi | ive got a frame, with a titleregion at the top for dragging it around |
| 00:22.28 | Hexarobi | id like to just stick some text there, along the top edge of the frame |
| 00:22.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 00:22.36 | Thrae | Management goes up to the QA department and waves their hand in front of their faces, saying "You see no bugs. Release date is on schedule." |
| 00:22.37 | Hexarobi | whats the easiest method for that? |
| 00:23.03 | Iriel | Hexarobi : Just add a FontString child and anchor it up there |
| 00:23.41 | zinor | Tem, did you see our Warhammer Online interview? |
| 00:23.43 | Wobin | It's not easy shipping cookies from here |
| 00:23.55 | Tem | nope, why? |
| 00:24.03 | zinor | its interesting :) |
| 00:24.12 | zinor | www.curse-gaming.com/en/war/interview.html |
| 00:24.16 | zinor | he couldnt answer anything about the ui tho |
| 00:24.17 | Wobin | CG is a "hardcore gaming site" =) |
| 00:24.17 | Hexarobi | i find no examples of <FontString> |
| 00:24.22 | Kirkburn1 | Wobin, you only ship prisoners, don't you :P |
| 00:24.24 | zinor | Wobin :D |
| 00:24.31 | Wobin | Kirkburn: only inbound |
| 00:24.37 | Kirkburn1 | From us =) |
| 00:24.42 | Wobin | We're like a roach motel |
| 00:24.50 | Thrae | Another random thought -- Why do they use the Parent->Child relationship with Frame objects? That gets suggestive when you do Frame:Hide(). Do Children usually go into hiding when their Parents hide? Are we enforcing kidnapping here?! |
| 00:24.53 | Wobin | except, once you arrive you -never- want to leave =P |
| 00:25.03 | Thrae | Hexarobi: Are you looking at the Widget API on www.wowwiki.com ? |
| 00:25.03 | Wobin | (most unlike the UK, which is the other way around =P) |
| 00:25.11 | Kirkburn1 | haha |
| 00:25.19 | Hexarobi | no\ |
| 00:25.30 | Wobin | Hexarobi: Best place to learn =) |
| 00:25.35 | Tem | sweet |
| 00:25.53 | Hexarobi | i am now =) |
| 00:25.54 | Tem | before I go any further, I just have to say that whoever put your logo intro together did a fantastic job |
| 00:26.05 | Wobin | Tem: I so agree =) |
| 00:26.07 | zinor | thanks :) |
| 00:26.10 | Wobin | That's a very cool anim |
| 00:26.15 | zinor | ya its nice |
| 00:26.23 | Wobin | Thrae: Bah, as a child, if my parents hid, I'd say there was something to hide from =P |
| 00:26.25 | zinor | it was fura, gm of curse guild |
| 00:26.25 | Thrae | I hear China uses The Force often, except in a different concept ;) |
| 00:26.42 | Wobin | Thrae: No |
| 00:26.50 | Wobin | China uses the "Will of the People" =P |
| 00:27.12 | Wobin | (muhaha I can speak of this now with no fear of disappearing =P) |
| 00:27.16 | Thrae | Wobin: I'm saying its antiquated! We should give more freedom to our children! |
| 00:27.31 | Kirkburn1 | YAY! He got a Thin Blue Line reference in the vid |
| 00:27.44 | Kirkburn1 | "Namby pamby" :P |
| 00:27.58 | zinor | wtf |
| 00:27.58 | Wobin | Kirkburn: He's so Brit =P |
| 00:28.01 | zinor | that wowinterface.org |
| 00:28.02 | zinor | whos site is that |
| 00:28.06 | zinor | thats disgusting |
| 00:28.08 | Wobin | zinor: I -know- =P |
| 00:28.22 | Cairenn | that is courtesy our good friend zeeg |
| 00:28.26 | Wobin | They can't even drum up their own traffic |
| 00:28.29 | zinor | the wowguru guy? |
| 00:28.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri|home (i=andrew@202.180.72.12) |
| 00:28.39 | Cairenn | previously |
| 00:28.42 | Wobin | hah, so I -was- right =\ |
| 00:28.49 | zinor | he doesnt do wowguru anymore? |
| 00:29.03 | Cairenn | he no longer works there, no, he "moved on" |
| 00:29.20 | Thrae | zeeg isn't in charge of wowguru anymore? Hmm, that explains why WoWInterface partner'd up with it... |
| 00:29.34 | Wobin | Thrae: shenme? |
| 00:29.39 | Cairenn | we have not |
| 00:29.59 | Thrae | Cairenn: What about the WGP link? I thought that was Wowguru's baby. |
| 00:30.11 | Cairenn | that is our working with the other sites, as always |
| 00:30.40 | Kirkburn1 | Heasay ftw |
| 00:30.42 | Thrae | Ah, then I apologize. I was looking for information on it and most of it was from Wowguru. |
| 00:30.45 | Kirkburn1 | *hearsay |
| 00:31.07 | Wobin | hear'say? =P |
| 00:31.10 | zinor | i think its short for wow guru patcher Thrae |
| 00:31.12 | Cairenn | it is "wowguru's baby", but we give authors the option of being able to link to it from our site if they wish |
| 00:31.15 | zinor | cuz thats what the page is called :s |
| 00:31.19 | Kirkburn1 | Hate'you |
| 00:31.29 | Wobin | Kirkburn: rofl |
| 00:32.09 | Cairenn | just as if ui.wow or curse were to have patchers and cared to give us the code, we'd make them available to authors via our site as well |
| 00:32.14 | Cairenn | it's good for the community |
| 00:32.14 | Wobin | Kirkburn: not that we can claim much better in the class of 'singing group' but hear'say was a horrific example of the genre =P |
| 00:32.31 | zinor | we are working on a patcher :) |
| 00:32.32 | zinor | but its not like that\ |
| 00:32.33 | Kirkburn1 | The Mythic guy is *extremely* British :D |
| 00:32.38 | zinor | Kirkburn, yes he is :) |
| 00:32.42 | Wobin | Kirkburn: Didn't I say? =P |
| 00:32.43 | zinor | he was glad to talk to me hehe |
| 00:32.44 | Thrae | Well, I didn't think if zeeg was in charge, he would have "cared to give out the code" ;) |
| 00:32.47 | zinor | cuz of all the french people there |
| 00:32.51 | Thrae | zinor: We? |
| 00:32.53 | Wobin | zinor: hehe |
| 00:33.03 | zinor | Thrae, im the lead developer of curse |
| 00:33.22 | Thrae | Ah, any relation to net-curse? |
| 00:33.33 | Wobin | "second cousins" =) |
| 00:33.34 | Kirkburn1 | Like, son? :) |
| 00:33.38 | Kirkburn1 | Wife? |
| 00:33.45 | Wobin | Life-partner |
| 00:33.45 | zinor | hes co-owner, he does community stuff |
| 00:33.50 | Kirkburn1 | Mother, I bet |
| 00:33.54 | Iriel | Clone #147B/Alpha ? |
| 00:34.19 | Wobin | Net Three-Echo |
| 00:34.42 | Kirkburn1 | It's all very Oedipus |
| 00:34.54 | zinor | im the same age as net :x |
| 00:34.59 | zinor | and not a girl! :D |
| 00:35.13 | Kirkburn1 | Not now, anyway ;) |
| 00:35.16 | Thrae | What was that old, old TV show about that island where smart people were captured and carted off to, and each person had a number assigned to their name? The Prisoner? The Cage? |
| 00:35.19 | Wobin | *snort* |
| 00:35.22 | Iriel | The Prisoner |
| 00:35.31 | Iriel | And it wasn't necessarily an island, in fact, it's not an island |
| 00:35.35 | Wobin | Oh, my reference was to "The Island" |
| 00:35.37 | Iriel | "The Village" |
| 00:35.44 | Kirkburn1 | Wobin, stop using Snuff |
| 00:35.48 | Hexarobi | ok im still lost on how to add a simple txt element argh |
| 00:35.52 | Thrae | Well, island, small continent |
| 00:35.57 | Kirkburn1 | ewwww |
| 00:36.02 | joesv | pants pants pants |
| 00:36.06 | Iriel | Even TheVillage, it's coastal, but it's not an island |
| 00:36.18 | joesv | well, signing off. cya my ige pals |
| 00:36.24 | Wobin | o.O |
| 00:36.34 | Wobin | I'm glad he's pals with ige =P |
| 00:36.38 | Kirkburn1 | Even after all that ... |
| 00:36.56 | Wobin | Well it's not like he came in here to talk about Addons |
| 00:36.59 | Kirkburn1 | Wonder why he was panting so much though |
| 00:36.59 | Wobin | I mean, who does that?! |
| 00:37.20 | Kirkburn1 | No me =D |
| 00:37.21 | Iriel | I am not a UnitId! I am a free Night Elf! |
| 00:37.24 | Thrae | Iriel: Are we thinking of the same series? I remember that he couldn't get away from the coasts because of the rocks and reefs, so he had to battle his way to #1. |
| 00:37.27 | Kirkburn1 | (buh-dum-tschhh) |
| 00:37.40 | Kirkburn1 | *not me (ho hum, it almost worked) |
| 00:37.59 | Iriel | Thrae : he couldn't get over the land, he kept trying to escape by water. |
| 00:38.05 | Wobin | Soylent Green is made from TROLL! |
| 00:38.08 | Iriel | Thrae : And yes, #1, #2 and all that |
| 00:38.19 | Iriel | Thrae : Its available on DVD in the US, if you care 8-) |
| 00:38.20 | Thrae | Wobin: No, Soylent GREEN is made from ORCS ;) ;) |
| 00:38.34 | Wobin | Thrae: Nah, it's more ironic cause the trolls are cannibals =P |
| 00:38.39 | Kirov | Soylent Blue is made from night elves |
| 00:38.58 | Kirkburn1 | Soylent Troll is made from joesv |
| 00:39.11 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:39.22 | Thrae | Iriel: Yeah, I need to go down--buy it so I can watch it again :D |
| 00:39.53 | Iriel | I've got to re-watch it, I stalled before I had the last box, and now I do, I need to refresh my memory! |
| 00:40.10 | Thrae | Damn you people and your employment and money. |
| 00:40.24 | zinor | i wish i was unemployed |
| 00:40.27 | zinor | so i didnt have to work :x |
| 00:40.36 | Iriel | I wish I was employed but didn't have to do any work. |
| 00:40.41 | Iriel | but that's not going to happen |
| 00:40.48 | Thrae | zinor: Well, you wish you were unemployed, but still got paid from some unknown source, right? |
| 00:40.50 | Cairenn | I wish I could win the lottery |
| 00:40.55 | AnduinLothar | i wish someone would hand me $ for what i think is work |
| 00:40.57 | zinor | yes the cia |
| 00:41.16 | Thrae | I don't know if I would want to get involved with the CIA. They do all kinds of shady stuff. |
| 00:41.34 | zinor | i think it would be fun :> |
| 00:41.35 | AnduinLothar | i wish i could do work i wanna do and then get paid for it |
| 00:41.40 | Thrae | If a CIA agent came up to me and said "We'll pay for your needs for the rest of your life,", I might flee the country >.> |
| 00:41.49 | zinor | lol |
| 00:41.52 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, and deliberately planting rumours isn't shady? |
| 00:41.59 | AnduinLothar | owned |
| 00:41.59 | Shadowed | lol |
| 00:42.08 | Shadowed | Iriel suggested it, blame him |
| 00:42.14 | Iriel | Planting rumors on foreign soil no less. |
| 00:42.19 | Cairenn | indeed! |
| 00:42.27 | AnduinLothar | conspiracy |
| 00:42.28 | Kirkburn1 | hehe |
| 00:42.33 | Iriel | if the login server wasn't messed up it would probably never have happened |
| 00:42.40 | Thrae | Hey, I just speaking hypothetical on that, I don't have the spine to plant rumors. |
| 00:42.44 | Iriel | so really, it's Blizzard's fault. |
| 00:42.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:42.49 | Shadowed | If the login server wasn't messed up the rumor would have spread even faster |
| 00:42.51 | Kirkburn1 | I had absolutely nothing to do with it of course |
| 00:42.56 | Shadowed | i'm still posting once it's back :p |
| 00:42.56 | Kirkburn1 | And there's nothing to link it to me |
| 00:43.01 | Cairenn | oh, of course not Kirkburn1 |
| 00:43.04 | Thrae | My moral conscience has too strong an opinion on rumors to allow me to plant them. |
| 00:43.10 | Kirkburn1 | Exactimondo |
| 00:43.35 | Kirov | Thrae - I heard something about ige and wowinterface ... pass it on |
| 00:43.52 | Cairenn | ~slap Kirov |
| 00:43.58 | purl | ACTION slaps Kirov, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 00:44.02 | Kirkburn1 | No, my name is 'Kirk' ... *sigh* |
| 00:44.03 | Thrae | Kirkburn1: I heard something about mirage and wowinyourface, pass it on |
| 00:44.16 | Thrae | (Grape Vine effect!) |
| 00:44.45 | Cairenn | Kirkburn1: nothing to link you to it? "ClearFont Dev: http://www.clearfont.co.uk" |
| 00:44.58 | Cairenn | we told you to not have your sig in there :p |
| 00:45.01 | Kirkburn1 | It's like a giant cod just hit me in the face :( |
| 00:45.06 | AnduinLothar | iriel codes better drunk, doesn't he? |
| 00:45.06 | Wobin | . o O ("Wha?") |
| 00:45.16 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I can answer that |
| 00:45.21 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : and the answer is "no" |
| 00:45.24 | Kirkburn1 | Is that an addon? Better Drunk? |
| 00:45.31 | Kirkburn1 | Cos it sounds like it would be a cool one |
| 00:45.34 | Iriel | It has been tried, though. |
| 00:45.37 | Cairenn | Iriel is amusing when he's been drinking though ;) |
| 00:45.48 | Thrae | I code better when I take too much of my medication and get an effect like a "high". |
| 00:45.49 | AnduinLothar | BetterDrunk: converts all outgoign chat to drunk slurs |
| 00:45.53 | Iriel | I'd hope i'm amusing when i'm NOT drinking too |
| 00:46.03 | Kirkburn1 | AnduinLothar, you seem to have it loaded |
| 00:46.03 | Cairenn | didn't say otherwise |
| 00:46.05 | Wobin | Just not intentionally so =) |
| 00:46.10 | Iriel | Do you ACTUALLY code better, or just THINK you're coding better? |
| 00:46.14 | Wobin | s/inten/uninten/ |
| 00:46.26 | Legorol | <Iriel> She's defensive because of idiots like you showing up throwing your lack of knowledge around. |
| 00:46.27 | Legorol | and |
| 00:46.29 | AnduinLothar | nah i just slur natuarall |
| 00:46.32 | AnduinLothar | y |
| 00:46.37 | Legorol | i'm impressed |
| 00:46.44 | Legorol | first time i've seen the ever polite Iriel get mad :) |
| 00:46.55 | Cairenn | it happens |
| 00:46.56 | Iriel | that was fairly polite, too! |
| 00:46.57 | Thrae | Iriel: Well, my life is usually a valley of crazy and sane moments ;) |
| 00:47.03 | Wobin | It was -most- polite! |
| 00:47.15 | Wobin | I even translated for joe =P |
| 00:47.17 | Kirkburn1 | Thrae, makes me wonder what's on the mountains :/ |
| 00:47.23 | Legorol | Iriel: still, way more aggression than the otherwise impeccable British gentlemanly conduct you usually show ;-) |
| 00:47.33 | Legorol | i read a good quote the other day.. |
| 00:47.42 | Legorol | a real gentlemen is one that knows precisely when to stop being one |
| 00:47.48 | Thrae | Kirkburn1: Autism, for one |
| 00:47.56 | AnduinLothar | why is that a good quote? |
| 00:47.57 | Kirkburn1 | You should have called him a 'silly bugger' and told us chaps to get along. Crikey. |
| 00:48.15 | Legorol | lol Kirkburn1! |
| 00:48.17 | Thrae | Iriel is British? |
| 00:48.21 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:48.28 | Legorol | lives in US |
| 00:48.31 | Wobin | He hides it well |
| 00:48.32 | Kirkburn1 | Pope is Catholic? |
| 00:48.33 | Thrae | But I haven't heard him say "fish and chips", "pub", or "talley-ho" once! |
| 00:48.38 | Wobin | Bear shit in woods? |
| 00:48.40 | Iriel | My passport is reddish, yes |
| 00:48.44 | Cairenn | Legorol: that's a take-off from a very very old quote: "A real woman knows when not to be a lady." |
| 00:48.56 | Legorol | that one is less funny :/ |
| 00:48.58 | Kirkburn1 | Mmm, reddish passports |
| 00:49.01 | Iriel | I dont think there's an 'e' in tally-ho |
| 00:49.14 | Wobin | pip-pip! |
| 00:49.26 | Iriel | toodle-oo |
| 00:49.26 | Kirkburn1 | http://www.tallyho.ie/ |
| 00:49.33 | Legorol | gah, patch, out-of-date flag, yadda yadda |
| 00:49.40 | Kirkburn1 | (that's an irish address, yes) |
| 00:49.47 | Thrae | Iriel: I learned my British English a long time ago, then those damned American Schoolteachers tried to make me unlearn it. |
| 00:49.48 | Wobin | Hehe |
| 00:49.59 | Wobin | I'm so buying www.treetirtytree.ie |
| 00:50.01 | Iriel | Fish and chips and pub would arise in other contexts, but have very little to do with wow addons, so you wouldn't hear them much from me. |
| 00:50.02 | Thrae | I still try to adhear to British English, it's my favourite! |
| 00:50.15 | Kirkburn1 | Fight back! Just say "raa, raa, raaa" all the time |
| 00:50.27 | Iriel | I've been in the US for almost 13 years though, so i've had to corrupt my language a fair bit. |
| 00:50.58 | Cairenn | at least you still spell properly though |
| 00:51.01 | Wobin | It's a pity I can't daisychain a third monitor to my laptop |
| 00:51.03 | Thrae | Do you still spell "colour" with a "u"? Everyone says I'm weird for doing that. |
| 00:51.14 | Kirkburn1 | Everyone where? |
| 00:51.15 | Wobin | Thrae: It's the RIGHT way =P |
| 00:51.20 | Kirkburn1 | Colour is correct :) |
| 00:51.20 | Cairenn | Thrae: not weird at all, that's completely proper |
| 00:51.22 | Iriel | That's true, apart from color, but I used the US spelling for a long time before coming here thanks to damn US computers. |
| 00:51.31 | Iriel | Colour is however, the right spelling. |
| 00:51.51 | Kirkburn1 | I suppose most code doesn't allow 'colour' though |
| 00:51.53 | Legorol | you could argue that American English is a different language (or dialect) |
| 00:51.57 | Legorol | and thus has different spelling |
| 00:52.00 | Legorol | then there is no right or wrong |
| 00:52.03 | Kirov | amercuns are lazy |
| 00:52.11 | Kirov | Case in points - "EZ" |
| 00:52.14 | Kirkburn1 | I would argue it was wrong nevertheless |
| 00:52.20 | Wobin | Now now Legorol, as long as there are the british, there will always be right and wrong ways =) |
| 00:52.27 | Legorol | that's true, Wobin |
| 00:52.30 | Iriel | A friend of mine just got back from a trip to london, the tour guide at the tower of london asked "So how many of you are American?" then "And how many just came over to learn the language?" |
| 00:52.33 | Thrae | Legorol: I believe linguists do consider American English as separate from British. |
| 00:52.39 | Kirov | case in points? wtf? |
| 00:52.41 | Legorol | Kirkburn1: so is the way you spell latin words, which have become part of English, wrong then? |
| 00:52.41 | Wobin | Iriel: hehe |
| 00:52.43 | Kirov | someone smack me |
| 00:52.56 | wereHamster | is it possible to have two "Satchel of Cenarius" (24slot herb bag) equipped ? |
| 00:52.57 | Wobin | ~smack kirov |
| 00:52.58 | purl | ACTION smacks kirov upside the head. |
| 00:53.06 | Wobin | wereHamster: I think so? |
| 00:53.14 | Kirkburn1 | How do you know how I spell Latin words :( |
| 00:53.16 | Wobin | Are they marked as unique? |
| 00:53.16 | Thrae | Although I'm not sure what linguists think about "Spanglish", "Engrish", and "Getto English" |
| 00:53.31 | Wobin | Thrae: And Singlish |
| 00:53.33 | Wobin | Lah |
| 00:53.43 | Thrae | Wobin: kekekeke |
| 00:53.46 | Cairenn | here's one for you ... how do you pronounce "Lieutenant"? |
| 00:53.47 | Kirkburn1 | I might write all my essays in Etruscan :P |
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| 00:54.00 | Wobin | Lootenant =\ |
| 00:54.14 | wereHamster | Wobin, they are not unique, but shard bags aren't unique, too, but you can have only one equipped |
| 00:54.16 | Thrae | I thought that was the same in most British dialects too? |
| 00:54.18 | Wobin | I never could work out where the leftenant pronunciation worked out |
| 00:54.23 | Kirkburn1 | Leftenant |
| 00:54.27 | andrews | Iriel, did you find out how to shut up the SLI prompt? |
| 00:54.28 | Cide | the herb bags are unique |
| 00:54.35 | Wobin | wereHamster: =( |
| 00:54.36 | Kirkburn1 | SLI prompt? |
| 00:54.37 | Cairenn | Iriel: how do you pronounce it? |
| 00:54.44 | Cide | not literally |
| 00:54.49 | Cide | but you can indeed only have one equipped |
| 00:54.59 | wereHamster | Cide, someone said you can have more than one in the bank, is that correct? |
| 00:54.59 | Wobin | how about one equipped and one in bank? |
| 00:55.06 | Cide | wereHamster: incorrect |
| 00:55.13 | andrews | Kirkburn1, he knows what I'm talking about =) |
| 00:55.17 | Kirkburn1 | (SLI: are we talking nVidia stuff here?) |
| 00:55.19 | wereHamster | so only one per character.. |
| 00:55.23 | Cide | you can only have equipped period, as far as I know |
| 00:55.26 | Wobin | bah |
| 00:55.32 | Kirov | zespri - http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=760&p_created=1137546131&p_sid=GAn_*Rai&p_lva=&%20p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ%3Cbr%20/%3E%209NDgmcF9wcm9kcz0yJnBfY2F0cz02MCZwX3B2PTEuMjsyLnUwJn |
| 00:55.37 | Thrae | Kirkburn1: It could technically be Voodoo3 :D |
| 00:55.39 | Kirov | download the .reg file, run it |
| 00:55.40 | Wobin | I feel I should be able to waste bagslots at will =P |
| 00:55.40 | Kirkburn1 | Upgrade to 91.33 |
| 00:55.53 | Kirkburn1 | That fixes the bug |
| 00:56.01 | Kirov | oh, new version? |
| 00:56.02 | Iriel | Cairenn : these days the american way |
| 00:56.04 | Kirkburn1 | Mmm |
| 00:56.06 | zespri | Kirov, thanks heaps! |
| 00:56.14 | Cairenn | Iriel: shame on you! |
| 00:56.22 | Iriel | Cairenn : Almost all of my pronounciation switched to american after about 3 years, simply in order to be understood. |
| 00:56.26 | Wobin | Iriel's been corrupted =( |
| 00:56.28 | Kirkburn1 | http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/ |
| 00:56.29 | Thrae | I don't upgrade my Nvidia drivers unless sites give me benchmarks on better performance or I see problems with my games. |
| 00:56.31 | Iriel | Cairenn : I draw the line at Herb, which is one of my pet peeves |
| 00:56.39 | Wobin | oh god yes |
| 00:56.39 | Cairenn | and Wobin, why on earth do you mispronounce it? |
| 00:56.41 | Kirkburn1 | Get drivers from there :) |
| 00:56.47 | Wobin | Cairenn: Possibly american TV |
| 00:56.49 | Cairenn | lol, with or without the "h" |
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| 00:57.05 | Wobin | There is 'h' in herb =) |
| 00:57.06 | Cairenn | well, shame on you, too, Wobin :p |
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| 00:57.15 | Cairenn | no kidding ;) |
| 00:57.23 | Thrae | Wait, I thought Americans pronounced it "erb" as well, unless in the case of "Herbbie" the person :D |
| 00:57.25 | Iriel | Herb has an H, you dont pronounce "Hospital" as "'ospital" |
| 00:57.30 | Wobin | 'erb just makes me want to stab someone =P |
| 00:57.34 | Kirkburn1 | (I almost *always* have the latest nVidia beta, I like to stay at the front =) |
| 00:57.37 | Cairenn | same here |
| 00:57.49 | Kirov | Iriel - I'm sure someone does |
| 00:58.04 | Cairenn | the french do, sorta |
| 00:58.09 | Iriel | If your not a cockney, anyway. |
| 00:58.12 | Kirkburn1 | I was just gonna say that :P |
| 00:58.14 | Thrae | Isn't the old English pronounciation "erb"? |
| 00:58.17 | Cairenn | but they drop most of their h's |
| 00:58.29 | Wobin | yes |
| 00:58.38 | Wobin | well, american's don't have the excuse of being french =) |
| 00:58.57 | Thrae | Americans do have the excuse of not hating the French as much as the British do ;) |
| 00:59.11 | Kirov | We still hate french |
| 00:59.18 | Cairenn | oh, and since I asked, I should answer as well - it's Leftenant |
| 00:59.20 | Kirov | We just don't have to deal with them as much. |
| 00:59.28 | Wobin | You don't have the history to hate them quite so much =) |
| 00:59.29 | Kirov | Canadians act as a big buffer |
| 00:59.29 | Kirkburn1 | Leftenant ftw |
| 00:59.40 | Thrae | Cairenn: What is? |
| 00:59.50 | Kirkburn1 | We owned most of france once :P |
| 00:59.54 | Wobin | pronunciation of lieutenant |
| 00:59.56 | Cairenn | (20:53:36) Cairenn: here's one for you ... how do you pronounce "Lieutenant"? |
| 01:00.13 | Thrae | Well, then what do you mean by "We"? |
| 01:00.21 | Wobin | oddly enough, I think both pronunciations are used here |
| 01:00.26 | Kirkburn1 | The royal we? Er |
| 01:00.51 | Kirkburn1 | The english, anyway |
| 01:00.59 | Thrae | Oh, you were referring to yourself. |
| 01:01.03 | Kirkburn1 | =) |
| 01:01.08 | Thrae | Is Cairenn British? |
| 01:01.12 | Cairenn | nope |
| 01:01.14 | Kirkburn1 | If only |
| 01:01.23 | Cairenn | Canadian |
| 01:01.29 | Wobin | Close enough =) |
| 01:01.34 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 01:01.41 | Kirkburn | Not one of the those frenchy canadians though ... |
| 01:01.59 | Thrae | Canadian? Hmm, I thought Canadians went with the French pronounciation. Or are you part of the French-hating Canada? |
| 01:02.07 | Kirov | We had a couple of French Canadians working here at the office for a while. |
| 01:02.09 | Cairenn | I don't hate the French |
| 01:02.22 | Cairenn | but it's Leftenant |
| 01:02.23 | Kirov | After about 3 months of living here, one of them stopped being so frenchy |
| 01:02.35 | Kirov | the others ... not so much, we were glad to see them go |
| 01:02.39 | Cairenn | <== Celt/Gael |
| 01:02.51 | Kirkburn | French people: I love you really :P |
| 01:02.53 | Thrae | Well, if your part has British roots, then you have French-hating ancestry at least for linguistical purposes ;) |
| 01:03.06 | Iriel | Oddly enough in the context of "The French Lieutenants Woman" I pronounce it "leftenant" |
| 01:03.07 | Industrial | Kirkburn: thats common among more european languages |
| 01:03.09 | Wobin | It's genetic =) |
| 01:03.11 | Thrae | Why else would your region choose British pronounciation over the original French? |
| 01:03.24 | Thrae | As "Lieutenant" is a French word... |
| 01:03.28 | Cairenn | I'm only 2nd gen Canadian |
| 01:03.45 | Thrae | Ah, must be that Irish in you hating those damned French! |
| 01:03.51 | Cairenn | not Irish |
| 01:04.00 | Kirkburn | Where then? |
| 01:04.03 | Cairenn | Scottish :p |
| 01:04.04 | Kirkburn | The celts got everywhere |
| 01:04.09 | Wobin | oo'er |
| 01:04.13 | Industrial | heh |
| 01:04.15 | Thrae | Oh yeah, forgot the Celts intermingled with the Scots. |
| 01:04.18 | zinor | canadian :x |
| 01:04.25 | Cairenn | zinor: indeed |
| 01:04.36 | Kirkburn | Well, they *were* scots once |
| 01:04.38 | Industrial | I am frankish in that sence :P |
| 01:04.53 | Kirov | I'm 4th generation polish |
| 01:05.00 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, paint yourself blue much? |
| 01:05.08 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: not lately |
| 01:05.09 | Kirov | polish / lithuanian / english |
| 01:05.15 | Cairenn | although I do like me some good wode |
| 01:05.16 | Kirov | aka - white boy |
| 01:05.27 | Thrae | Kirkburn: The Celts didn't come directly from the Scotts, I know that much |
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| 01:05.44 | Thrae | I believe they came from the Scotts and Anglos? |
| 01:05.54 | Kirkburn | Well no, but they did reign over much of the British Isles for a while |
| 01:05.56 | Kirov | If they're white skinned, and not tall, I probably have some ancestor from there. |
| 01:06.13 | Cairenn | http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/celts.html |
| 01:06.20 | Thrae | Kirkburn: So did the French ;) |
| 01:06.30 | Kirkburn | Normans don't count :) |
| 01:06.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:06.56 | Cairenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaels |
| 01:06.58 | Wobin | I'm reminded of a book called "The Wode to Wuin" |
| 01:07.03 | Kirkburn | We've only been successfully invaded twice ... I think france has a slightly 'different' record |
| 01:07.04 | Thrae | I believe last count, 50% of modern English came from French? |
| 01:07.17 | Cairenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaels |
| 01:07.21 | Wobin | omg |
| 01:07.26 | Kirkburn | Bit less afaik, there's a lot of latin and germanic words |
| 01:07.26 | Wobin | I can view wikipedia again |
| 01:07.30 | Wobin | I feel so FREE! |
| 01:07.31 | Cairenn | sorry, wrong link on last one |
| 01:07.33 | Cairenn | http://halfmoon.tripod.com/ |
| 01:07.37 | Cairenn | (picts) |
| 01:07.43 | Kirkburn | But yeah, we got lots of french :D It's still english though :P |
| 01:07.47 | Wobin | NacMacFEEGLE! |
| 01:07.56 | Kirkburn | Picties! |
| 01:07.58 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Latin doesn't count, it's a Romanic language ;) English's roots is Germanic though, yes. |
| 01:08.03 | Kirkburn | *pictsies |
| 01:08.23 | Cairenn | there's my ancestry for you |
| 01:08.36 | Wobin | "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that |
| 01:08.37 | Wobin | English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow |
| 01:08.37 | Wobin | words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways |
| 01:08.37 | Wobin | to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." |
| 01:08.37 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.43 | Kirkburn | Cairenn is related to the NacMacFeegles? zomg |
| 01:08.46 | Cairenn | now figure out why I'm as passionate (okay, okay, moody :p ) as I am |
| 01:09.00 | AnduinLothar | anyone ever nail down the max scrolling editbox text size before it starts truncating invisibly? |
| 01:09.02 | Wobin | You have.... some welsh in you? |
| 01:09.07 | Thrae | Wobin: Heh, that's true for many languages, including even modern Japanese. |
| 01:09.15 | Wobin | Thrae: Oh god yes =P |
| 01:09.20 | Kirkburn | And I thought Discworld was made up :/ |
| 01:09.28 | Wobin | Kirkburn: Fer shame! |
| 01:09.30 | Cairenn | welsh, irish (a bit), mostly scots - all in all, lots of hot temper |
| 01:09.30 | Iriel | Wobin - is that a pick up line, ot be followed with "Would you like some?" |
| 01:09.39 | Wobin | Iriel: hehe |
| 01:09.41 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:09.46 | Thrae | Engrish should be the World Language! |
| 01:09.52 | Cairenn | ROFL, Iriel! |
| 01:09.53 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:09.53 | Kirkburn | it's near enough ... |
| 01:10.11 | Iriel | Its kind of the defacto world language |
| 01:10.19 | Iriel | which makes me lucky since I speak it already |
| 01:10.24 | Thrae | I would love the concept of English with the Japanese structure of languages. |
| 01:10.25 | Kirkburn | I vote American to be classified as Engrish |
| 01:10.35 | Wobin | Iriel, not English =P |
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| 01:10.46 | Cairenn | aka Firefly? |
| 01:10.48 | Iriel | Oh, sorry Engrish. |
| 01:10.52 | Kirkburn | (I nearly misread it too) |
| 01:10.55 | Wobin | Nah, that's just Mandarin |
| 01:11.03 | Wobin | slang et al |
| 01:11.09 | Kirov | American "English" just just be called Ahmericun |
| 01:11.10 | Wobin | It still uses proper english grammar |
| 01:11.19 | Thrae | No, Mandarin is evil |
| 01:11.28 | Wobin | .. I kinda like it =P |
| 01:11.31 | Wobin | It's grown on me |
| 01:11.36 | Kirkburn | Mandarin, the only world language which you can eat |
| 01:11.40 | Thrae | Wait, isn't Mandarin the language where different inflections mean different words? |
| 01:11.44 | Wobin | Yes |
| 01:11.47 | Wobin | well |
| 01:11.55 | Thrae | That is truly evil. |
| 01:12.00 | Wobin | Chinese is the language where different inflections mean different words |
| 01:12.03 | Kirkburn | *cough* "read" *cough* |
| 01:12.05 | Wobin | Mandarin is merely a dialect |
| 01:12.10 | Thrae | Ah, right. |
| 01:12.22 | Thrae | Forgot China has many, many dialects. |
| 01:12.24 | Iriel | I know various people who can't hear the difference between bought and bart when I say them. |
| 01:12.37 | Kirkburn | How often does one say "bart"?? |
| 01:12.37 | Wobin | BORT |
| 01:12.44 | AnduinLothar | simpson? |
| 01:12.47 | Iriel | In the Bay Area, all the time. |
| 01:12.53 | Thrae | "Hey, look at what Bart did this time on the Simpsons!" |
| 01:12.57 | Iriel | Bay Area Rapid Transit (aka, the train) |
| 01:12.58 | Kirov | Bay Area Rapid Transit |
| 01:13.06 | Kirov | aka the subway |
| 01:13.15 | Kirov | train = Muni or CalTrain |
| 01:13.22 | Wobin | Muni? |
| 01:13.30 | Iriel | I live east, bart is the train to me, and it's above ground most of the time 8-) |
| 01:13.51 | Kirov | Municipal Transportation, they run the above ground trolleys and busses |
| 01:14.02 | Kirov | Iriel - fair enough |
| 01:14.06 | Wobin | m |
| 01:14.07 | Wobin | Hm |
| 01:14.10 | Iriel | and some below ground subway trains also |
| 01:14.15 | Iriel | though they emerge eventually |
| 01:14.16 | Wobin | We just call our CityRail, "Crappy" |
| 01:14.18 | Thrae | America's mass transportation system isn't good enough to be use any British slang. |
| 01:14.23 | Kirov | I live / work in the city |
| 01:14.38 | Thrae | Kirov: You don't live and work at the same time? |
| 01:14.39 | Iriel | there IS no american mass transportation system, unless you count greyhound or Amtrak |
| 01:14.51 | Kirov | Thrae - not always |
| 01:15.08 | Kirov | New York is as close as you get |
| 01:15.09 | Iriel | I live in the east bay, but work in the city. |
| 01:15.34 | Iriel | Where i'm currently awaiting the cleanup of this evening's series of accidents on the other side of the bridge so I can go home |
| 01:15.38 | Thrae | I was thinking the other day...what about a Mass Transportation system where you can roll your car up onto one of those car-hauling huge trucks? |
| 01:15.46 | Kirkburn | Nothing beats the London Underground |
| 01:16.02 | Thrae | Lots of people don't like the idea of mass transportation because they might not be able to easily go where they want to go without a lot of walking. |
| 01:16.09 | Kirkburn | Thrae, you mean the channel tunnel? |
| 01:16.15 | Kirov | Thrae - it exists |
| 01:16.29 | Kirov | Thrae - it's used to transport elderly from new jersey to florida |
| 01:16.35 | Thrae | Well, I mean a system like that, but in America and not by boat |
| 01:16.45 | Wobin | They hook the elderly onto a huge truck? |
| 01:16.46 | AnduinLothar | beats finding a parking spot in irvine.. |
| 01:16.59 | Cide | http://pc.ign.com/articles/718/718310p1.html - world pvp in 1.12 |
| 01:17.11 | Kirov | Has it been disabled? |
| 01:17.29 | Kirov | Or did they just reduce the world pvp range to 5 yards |
| 01:17.43 | Thrae | I know my idea sounds far-fetched, but I always try to find the compromise. Americans are waaaaay too addicted to their cars. |
| 01:17.54 | Kirkburn | "In Silithus, the objective revolves around collecting dust, called "silithyst," and players will activate the geysers to collect the silithysts. You get a nice "buff" (stat boost) when you turn in the resources, but you'll be flagged as a PvP player as soon as you pick the stuff up, making you attackable by anyone in the opposing faction while you attempt to make your way back the Field Duty camps associated with the Cenarion Hol |
| 01:17.54 | Kirkburn | d faction quests. If you manage to turn in enough of the dust, all of your fellow faction members in the zone will gain a buff as well, including those in the "AQ20" Ahn'Qiraj dungeon. Also, Blizzard tells us that no new PvP rewards are on the horizon, although faction and PvP honor points will be involved." |
| 01:18.02 | Shadowed | ~slap Kirkburn |
| 01:18.11 | purl | ACTION slaps Kirkburn, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 01:18.11 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 01:18.13 | Kirov | Thrae - it's a chicken / egg issue at this point |
| 01:18.26 | Kirkburn | I'm not planning on posting everything :/ |
| 01:18.27 | Kirov | Thrae - People drive cars because there's no public transport system. |
| 01:18.44 | kergoth | i would love to ditch my car, even though i love it |
| 01:18.48 | kergoth | its just such an expense |
| 01:18.50 | Kirov | There's no public transport system because the cities don't see a need, and all their funding goes in to fixing roads |
| 01:19.00 | Wobin | Hm |
| 01:19.04 | Wobin | That's kinda weird =( |
| 01:19.18 | Wobin | The public transport system in Sydney, for all that we complain, is great |
| 01:19.18 | Shadowed | Sounds like a pretty poor PVP change |
| 01:19.24 | Iriel | And when there IS a public transport system, it's not necessarily cost effective against a car when there's say, 2 people travelling. |
| 01:19.49 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, the EPl one sounds good |
| 01:20.04 | Kirov | We americans are also exceptionally spoiled by our gas prices |
| 01:20.22 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 01:20.25 | Shadowed | oh i stopped reading after the disappointing EPL one :p |
| 01:20.27 | Thrae | World PvP eh...so basically, they stole the idea of RvR from DAoC :D |
| 01:20.27 | Kirkburn | Silithus is an odd place, so I'm not surprised it's a bit 'off' |
| 01:20.30 | Shadowed | s/EPL/Silithus/ |
| 01:21.02 | Kirov | I mean, petrol in england is, what 5 pounds a liter? |
| 01:21.08 | Shadowed | Blizzard plans to implement a feature where the time it takes to capture a tower is reduced according to how many friendly players are nearby |
| 01:21.09 | Iriel | This doesn't seem at all like DAoC RvR |
| 01:21.10 | Shadowed | now THAT is silly |
| 01:21.14 | Kirkburn | The EPl one is more like Arathi |
| 01:21.23 | Kirov | Americans started complaing when it hit $2 a galon |
| 01:21.25 | Kirkburn | How is it silly? |
| 01:21.30 | Iriel | apart from their being opposing sides and people getting killed. |
| 01:21.44 | Shadowed | Being able to solo ninja stuff was half the fun and added a certain taticalness to it |
| 01:21.48 | Thrae | Iriel: The main point of DAoC RvR for most players not actively involved in RvR was to capture enough towers to get the realm-wide buffs and open the special dungeon. |
| 01:21.49 | Kirkburn | (we've almost hit £1/litre in the UK) |
| 01:21.56 | Shadowed | If you can just leave one guy there and dont have to worry about CC being used on you it's not as interesting |
| 01:22.15 | Thrae | Well, the old DAoC RvR, it's been changed a LOT over time. |
| 01:22.27 | Kirov | Kirkburn - is it only 1? I thought it was higher |
| 01:22.28 | Shadowed | Part of what makes AB interesting is you have to play smart with how many are defending or what class is defending |
| 01:22.33 | Iriel | I dont think the special dungeon was in when I stopped playing |
| 01:22.36 | Kirov | It's still 4-5 times more that what we pay |
| 01:22.41 | Kirkburn | 99.9p today :/ |
| 01:22.48 | Wobin | $1.40/L here |
| 01:22.58 | Thrae | Iriel: Wow, and I only came in like 1 year after beta |
| 01:23.00 | Kirov | bbiab |
| 01:23.21 | Iriel | I played until they nerfed /loc so it didn't show up in the chat log |
| 01:23.27 | Wobin | that's about... 50p |
| 01:23.45 | Iriel | Since that destroyed my project to make topo maps of all the zones |
| 01:23.48 | Kirkburn | Um, what is Ouru doing here? http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/016/016985/img_3739756.html |
| 01:24.27 | Thrae | Iriel: Hmmm odd, I recall well that /loc showed up in my chat log throughout all the time I played, and I even more strongly recall the special dungeon, that odd Portal near each faction's main base. |
| 01:24.45 | Kebinusan | you cant just let a good model like that only be used once Kirkburn |
| 01:24.54 | Thrae | Iriel: Were you pre or post New Frontiers? |
| 01:25.18 | Kirkburn | Sounds more like Star Trek than Camelot |
| 01:25.20 | Thrae | Maybe they took the dungeon away or changed the rules? |
| 01:25.55 | Iriel | I played from shortly after launch for about 9 months, I think |
| 01:26.03 | Iriel | so pre |
| 01:26.05 | Kirkburn | Whose addon is Equipcompare again? |
| 01:26.31 | Thrae | Iriel: They must have just been adding it in when you left, but I remember using /loc when I played. They must have added it back in after you left, too. |
| 01:26.42 | Kirkburn | I mention it cause Aeus voted it his best addon :) |
| 01:26.44 | Thrae | Kirkburn: I think Lego? |
| 01:27.01 | Thrae | I remember using Alkazam + /loc a LOT |
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| 01:27.10 | Iriel | You could do /loc still |
| 01:27.16 | Iriel | but it wasn't logged to disk |
| 01:27.20 | Thrae | Ohhh |
| 01:27.28 | Thrae | OK, now I understand. |
| 01:27.38 | Iriel | I used to march across the land, /loc'ing as I went |
| 01:27.39 | AnduinLothar | yes EquipCompare is legorols |
| 01:27.41 | Iriel | then process the logs |
| 01:28.03 | Kirkburn | Ah, lol, Lego already posted in the thread :) "every parent loves her child" |
| 01:29.01 | Thrae | Anyway, I've been advocating for Blizzard to adopt some of Mythic's Mass-PvP strategy for a while. |
| 01:29.06 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, if you haven't seen it already: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/413092.htm |
| 01:29.54 | Thrae | Though I can't say Mythic has all of the best ideas about Mass PvP. Blizzard is doing a pretty good job of implementing Mass PvP without getting into problems of "The Perfect Group" and "Mezzer vs Mezzer" like Mythic had for a looong time. |
| 01:30.01 | AnduinLothar | thx kirk |
| 01:30.09 | AnduinLothar | i emailed him a test addon |
| 01:30.19 | Iriel | My biggest irriation with DAoC PvP was archer versus spellcaster |
| 01:30.22 | Iriel | that was so retarded |
| 01:30.47 | Iriel | Spellcaster -- Interrupted when hit with an arrow |
| 01:30.58 | Iriel | Ranger -- Longer arrow range than spellcaster spell range |
| 01:31.15 | Kirkburn | That would really annoy me |
| 01:31.34 | Thrae | Hence going back to the Perfect Group problem with DAoC -- there were some classes which were a LOT better at PvP then others |
| 01:31.41 | Iriel | After about 20 such battles I just got fed up |
| 01:32.10 | AnduinLothar | why the hell is the forum login serv not letting me in |
| 01:32.16 | Kirkburn | (anyone notice that after all the hoohah about this being an 'addons' channel, we've barely mentioned them for hours :P ) |
| 01:32.18 | Shadowed | AnduinLothar: It's been down for about 5-6 hours |
| 01:32.20 | Thrae | Scouts and Rogues ruled solo PvP, and the Mez+Tank+Mage+Priest/Buffer was the Perfect Group |
| 01:32.25 | Shadowed | s/5-6/4-5/ |
| 01:32.26 | Iriel | The XP loss on death was the final nail in the coffin |
| 01:32.27 | AnduinLothar | kljabgsbgiusbaigbsguio |
| 01:32.38 | AnduinLothar | how come slouken can post :( |
| 01:32.43 | Shadowed | hacks |
| 01:32.50 | Iriel | If you sneak on then refresh regularly you can stay on |
| 01:32.58 | Iriel | catching the login server on a good moment is the trick |
| 01:33.11 | Kirkburn | Evil devil-blizzard authentication servers |
| 01:33.23 | Thrae | Iriel: WoW seemed SO --easy-- compared to DAoC and definately EQ. |
| 01:33.42 | Thrae | World of Warcraft took a hint from the insanely popular Korean games, where you could get to the max level in like 3 weeks :D |
| 01:33.54 | Kirkburn | "The login server is feeling down at the moment. Please complement it, and try again." |
| 01:34.23 | Iriel | Any game where you can lose 3 days of effort, irreversibly, because of bad luck, is flawed, to me |
| 01:34.27 | Thrae | Blizzard does have a strong Korean connection due to Starcraft's popularity over there. |
| 01:34.37 | Iriel | especially when, in order to progress, you have to risk death frequently |
| 01:34.53 | Thrae | Iriel: To some people, that's a lot of fun. |
| 01:34.57 | Iriel | I think WoW is a little TOO easy on death, I though CoH had it done nicely. |
| 01:35.10 | Thrae | What does CoH do? I never played it. |
| 01:35.11 | Iriel | What's fun? Spending a month trying to level and ending with as much XP as you started? |
| 01:35.14 | Iriel | CoH has xp debt |
| 01:35.27 | Iriel | Once you incur it, 1/2 your earned XP pays of debt, 1/2 advances you |
| 01:35.32 | Iriel | until you catch up. |
| 01:35.42 | Iriel | So death slows you down, XP wise, but never stops you. |
| 01:35.49 | Iriel | and NEVER sets you backwards |
| 01:36.17 | Thrae | Wait, am I remembering incorrectly that you can't lose levels with DAoC? |
| 01:36.23 | Iriel | You can't lose levels, no |
| 01:36.28 | Iriel | But you can lose progress within a level |
| 01:36.32 | Kirkburn | I remember reading an interesting article about the descreasing cost of death in games |
| 01:37.00 | Thrae | What's the difference between losing XP and decreasing the rate of gain? You can technically balance them the same. I guess it's the logic involved. |
| 01:37.07 | Kirkburn | With each newer MMORPG, the cost decreases further |
| 01:37.14 | Iriel | No, you always make progress if you decrease the rate |
| 01:37.19 | Iriel | EVENTUALLy you're guaranteed to get there |
| 01:37.44 | Iriel | if you lose Xp, you can get stuck, which is what happened to me, my guild disintegrated because half of them hated the other half, and soloing was impossible |
| 01:37.53 | Thrae | Right, but if you're in 99% XP debt... |
| 01:38.06 | Iriel | because you'd spend hours to make one bubble of xp, just to die out of bad luck and lose all of it and then some |
| 01:38.10 | Kirkburn | I reckon WoW has a very good method of penalising you ... time and sensible corpse runs, rather than arbitrarily taking stuff *away* from you |
| 01:38.23 | Iriel | CoH does have a debt cap, but even without that, you're still advancing at half rate |
| 01:38.45 | Iriel | You learn SOMETHING from every fight |
| 01:39.00 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't want a silly mistake penalising me an hour later :/ |
| 01:39.09 | Thrae | Ah, OK. So you just advance at half rate until your debt is repaid? |
| 01:39.16 | Iriel | right |
| 01:40.40 | Iriel | I cant begin to explain how frustrating playing every day for a week and ending up with less XP than when I started is, and that's what happened to me. |
| 01:42.38 | Thrae | Hmmm, I still don't think losing something is a bad idea overall. I have this game design which is skill-focused instead of level & experience, where skills are capped per an individual base skill cap which can only increase through combat. If you die, you lose a random part of this cap, but it can't go down too low based on the culmination of all your skill points. |
| 01:44.07 | Iriel | I dont have a problem with death causing recoverable weakness, as long as it is capped |
| 01:44.20 | Thrae | Iriel: Would you say that's still fair, given that you don't lose skill points even if they're over the lessened cap? |
| 01:44.23 | Iriel | but SOMETHING has to advance, sometime |
| 01:44.24 | Kirkburn | Just don't make people who aren't good players leave |
| 01:44.43 | Kirkburn | Everyone should be able to enjoy a game, even if they aren't pros |
| 01:45.06 | Iriel | You can make progress as slow as you want due to death, lag, accidents, crashes, but dont make it stop |
| 01:45.12 | Iriel | and never, ever, make it go backwards |
| 01:45.29 | Iriel | that's my rule on game xp |
| 01:45.36 | Hexarobi | losing levels in EQ was tragic ;) |
| 01:45.55 | Thrae | From a design point of view, I like the idea of death being a traumatic experience that rips you of part of your memories. I also like the idea of there always being a way to progress, no silly "level caps". |
| 01:45.55 | Iriel | Permanent death is fine too, but it better be my fault. |
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| 01:46.18 | Thrae | If you want to play for 50 years, then your character will have skill points of 50 years worth. |
| 01:46.43 | Iriel | I will say that I dont believe any MMO will be able to successfully implement permanent death in the next 5 years. |
| 01:47.13 | Iriel | possibly much longer. |
| 01:47.13 | Kirkburn1 | An RPG MMO, at least |
| 01:47.13 | Iriel | Thrae : Have you played EvE? They've decoupled skill, play time, and death interestingly |
| 01:47.38 | Thrae | Iriel: I don't any RPG MMO will be able to implement permenant death without trivializing the level-making process. |
| 01:47.40 | Iriel | Well, what other kinds of MMO are there with a persistent identity and death? |
| 01:47.40 | zinor | ya |
| 01:47.41 | zinor | to play eve |
| 01:47.44 | zinor | you dont even have to play |
| 01:47.44 | zinor | ! |
| 01:47.57 | Iriel | To gain skills in eve you dont have to play |
| 01:48.00 | Iriel | but you'll be flat broke |
| 01:48.10 | zinor | theres no point to eve tho |
| 01:48.11 | Kirkburn1 | Auto Assault is dying :/ |
| 01:48.21 | zinor | auto assault died when it was released :) |
| 01:48.23 | Kirkburn1 | They're merging all the servers into one |
| 01:48.28 | Thrae | Eve Online didn't interest me because it was too sci-fi, I like fantasy or Fantasy/Sci-Fi |
| 01:48.30 | Iriel | Auto Assault launched out of the gate in a death spiral didn't it? |
| 01:48.46 | Kirkburn1 | When no-one buys your game, it doesn't bode well :P |
| 01:48.54 | Iriel | I got three beta invites and didn't try it at all based on other people's feedback of it being crap. |
| 01:49.09 | Shadowed | The issue I had with EVE-Online is more of it was based on who was there longer and hard more skill points then actual skill |
| 01:49.13 | Iriel | As for eve having no point, eve has a 'different' point |
| 01:49.22 | Shadowed | s/hard/had/ |
| 01:49.23 | Iriel | It's got more depth than most MMO's |
| 01:49.38 | Kirkburn1 | Lol, the EU servers and moving to the US server |
| 01:49.38 | Shadowed | The whole community and stuff like corps wars is fun though |
| 01:49.42 | Iriel | and the time issue balances out after a couple of months |
| 01:49.44 | Kirkburn1 | s/and/are/ |
| 01:49.58 | Kirkburn1 | Bet they'll love the extra lag :/ |
| 01:50.01 | Iriel | and before that point you dont have a clue about how to handle yourself anyway |
| 01:50.20 | Legorol | Kirkburn: what? |
| 01:50.31 | Thrae | From what I saw of Eve Online, even though you could play for massive amounts of time and gain massive amount of character skill points, those "Big Boys" can play with the other "Big Boys" without affecting the newbies too much |
| 01:50.35 | Kirkburn1 | I'm talking about Auto Assault new server merger |
| 01:50.58 | Shadowed | Iriel: Dunno, I just never felt like I had enough control to make up for the Skill points > player skill and when you're fighting in 0.0 space usually dying means you lose everything you're using. |
| 01:51.04 | Kirkburn1 | (I'm assuming those servers marked as EU before were actually in the EU) |
| 01:51.07 | Legorol | Kirkburn: you gave me a heart attack there |
| 01:51.11 | Legorol | i only saw your last comment |
| 01:51.32 | Kirkburn1 | haha |
| 01:51.36 | Thrae | I think one of the reasons Level Caps is because people want to be able to access ALL content as quickly as possible, and also catch up to their "idols" as quickly as possible. It's that old Level Envy. |
| 01:51.38 | Iriel | Shadowed : If you jump into a fight with a big boy and you dont know what you're doing or haven't equipped your ship, you WILL die. |
| 01:52.03 | Thrae | s/Caps/Caps exist/ |
| 01:52.05 | Corrodias | EVE Online does indeed reward time spent in the game, but think of it this way: |
| 01:52.18 | Iriel | Shadowed : But you can hold your own (i.e. surivive) with reasonably little game time |
| 01:52.34 | Shadowed | Thrae: You have two different kind of zones in EVE. 0 space and everything else, basically 1.0 is secured and it's impossible to die unless you attack first. As you go down the protection is less, once you hit 0 it's completly unprotected and basically a free for all |
| 01:52.55 | Corrodias | ah, never mind, you just get rewarded a bit less based on how MUCH you play compared to how LONG you've played |
| 01:53.00 | Shadowed | Iriel: Yeah I know, i'm not talking about going out in a poorly equipped ship or going out with no skill points to use it effectively, just doesn't feel like you have enough control over movement and such |
| 01:53.07 | Corrodias | in WoW it's all about how much you play, while in EVE, it's partly how long you've played |
| 01:53.15 | Iriel | My eve character is a little over a year old |
| 01:53.15 | Thrae | Shadowed: What about just staying in 1.0? |
| 01:53.25 | Shadowed | Thrae: Depends on what you want to do really |
| 01:53.34 | Corrodias | bah, i have to watch this tv show.. [away] |
| 01:53.42 | Iriel | Most of the 'important' skills now have training times in the 30-ish day range, for an extra 1%-4% of some resource or something |
| 01:54.07 | Iriel | If I actively PLAYED, i could make the money to buy ship equipment to compensate for that % difference in an hour or two |
| 01:54.08 | Thrae | Shadowed: Personally, I don't like how in WoW you can get ganked, then go on your own Level 60 and gank them back |
| 01:54.33 | Legorol | i don't like the whole power-escalation that happens in any PvP conflict |
| 01:54.39 | Legorol | no matter what level characters clash.. |
| 01:54.45 | Legorol | it deteriorates into a fight of 60s |
| 01:55.02 | Thrae | Exactly Legorol, it's stupid in my opinion. |
| 01:55.20 | Thrae | I'm also worried that this new World PvP will have problems with roaming monsters and lowbies in the World PvP group. |
| 01:55.25 | Legorol | the losing side always feels they need stronger backup |
| 01:55.46 | Legorol | well let's wait and see how world pvp turns out |
| 01:55.49 | Thrae | In DAoC Realm vs Realm, you could do World PvP starting at Level 40, if you had enough skill. |
| 01:55.50 | Legorol | then comment |
| 01:55.53 | Legorol | it might be good |
| 01:55.55 | zinor | world pvp: capture orgrimmar's flag and bring it to stormwind |
| 01:55.56 | zinor | lol |
| 01:56.00 | Tain | Yay me Gutgore Ripper |
| 01:57.33 | Kirkburn1 | *silence ensues as we're all evil and mean* |
| 01:57.42 | Thrae | In my design, there are systems like bounties and multiple factions (other then your starting) to help protect you in any type of zone. PvP shouldn't be about Ganked vs Ganked, and it shouldn't just be about PC vs PC. |
| 01:57.52 | Kirkburn1 | Actually, I just had to look it up Tain ... grats |
| 01:58.44 | Tain | Wanted Brutality Blade that also dropped but I'll take a good dagger for now. |
| 01:59.39 | Kirkburn1 | I've never been to MC |
| 01:59.54 | Thrae | Additionally, the design calls for a ganked lowbie to have a chance to spawn an almost impossible to kill enemy called the "Executioner" which aggros on the attacker. Even if it's a low chance, when it does fire off, it can relieve soooo much tension in an active PvP area while doing PvE. |
| 02:00.03 | Tain | Actually now that I'm dead and waiting for the rest of the guild to wipe I have time to comtemplate. |
| 02:00.13 | Tain | This dagger is good enough to change spec around it. |
| 02:00.22 | Iriel | I posted a proposal in the wow suggestion forum for 'haunting' when you die too often in 'dishonorable' ways |
| 02:00.46 | Shadowed | Tain: I used it for a SF build for a long time until i got a CTS |
| 02:00.58 | Shadowed | was really nice for PVP/PVE |
| 02:01.11 | Thrae | Iriel: I think the way they changed the Green Whelp Armour for PvE without caring about its effects for PvP shows they don't care about griefing. That Green Whelp Armour was my "haunting" to would-be gankers. |
| 02:03.18 | AnduinLothar | lol green wealp was awsome |
| 02:03.45 | zinor | what did it do |
| 02:03.57 | AnduinLothar | puts attackes to sleep |
| 02:04.05 | AnduinLothar | used to be for like 60 seconds |
| 02:04.10 | zinor | lol |
| 02:04.36 | AnduinLothar | now it's like 10 seconds and down't work on attackers more than a few lvls above you |
| 02:04.48 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 02:04.51 | Shadowed | 50 levels |
| 02:05.00 | AnduinLothar | make that any attacker above like lvl 50\ |
| 02:05.25 | AnduinLothar | so it's useless unlee you're a twink |
| 02:05.57 | Thrae | I know they did that because of PvE concerns, but they could have tweaked it to just not work on NPCs past level 50. |
| 02:06.21 | Thrae | There are some spells which work on NPCs but not PCs, so why can't the reverse be true? |
| 02:06.25 | AnduinLothar | ya, it was leet on panther boss |
| 02:06.37 | AnduinLothar | but they nerfed that encounter |
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| 02:06.45 | AnduinLothar | now you can just zerg it |
| 02:08.27 | Thrae | How about a (Attacker Level - Your Level) / 2 chance to spawn a Level 60 Elite upon death? |
| 02:10.32 | Shadowed | Then Rogues would still be king gankers and everyone would complain it creates an unfair advantage for them. |
| 02:11.07 | Thrae | Shadowed: It would see through all forms of Stealth, and only attack the attacker. |
| 02:11.27 | Shadowed | Unless it insta-kills them they can still do it |
| 02:11.52 | Thrae | Well, if you're a Level 40, you could probably take down a Level 60 with the help of a Level 60 Elite |
| 02:12.25 | Shadowed | No I mean, Vanish takes you out of combat basically so a mob that aggros on you would reset regardless if it can see through vanish or not |
| 02:12.35 | Shadowed | Sprint -> Vanish |
| 02:12.49 | Thrae | It would be considered a PC, so it doesn't have Aggro. |
| 02:13.29 | Shadowed | A much simpler solution would have been to say it puts a fairie fire type effect and an unvanishable snare like the CH guards :p |
| 02:13.39 | Thrae | Heh |
| 02:13.56 | Shadowed | Thats half the fight of a PVP server anyway, for those who don't like it they can always roll on a PVE one |
| 02:14.27 | zespri_work | what's the storry with green whelp armor? |
| 02:14.45 | zespri_work | oh I see |
| 02:14.56 | zespri_work | still need to leran to read before asking |
| 02:14.59 | Shadowed | In PVP it was overpowered to the point of stupidity basically |
| 02:15.37 | Thrae | Shadowed: Not for Lowbie vs Ganker |
| 02:15.46 | Shadowed | Thrae: BG PVP |
| 02:16.04 | Thrae | Even BG PvP it was fine, the duration just needed to be nerfed |
| 02:16.10 | Shadowed | no it wasn't |
| 02:16.40 | Shadowed | The duration was way to long, you basically couldn't do anything about it and it lasted the full duration. |
| 02:16.55 | Thrae | Shadowed: Didn't I just say the duration needed to be nerfed? |
| 02:17.02 | Thrae | Maybe 10 or 5 seconds |
| 02:17.30 | Thrae | Which is what they did anyway, in addition to making it unusable past Level 50. |
| 02:17.42 | Shadowed | 10 seconds sleep that is an on hit proc is still ridiculus |
| 02:18.14 | Thrae | 10 seconds Nature Sleep |
| 02:18.29 | Thrae | With the resist and duration modified by your Nature Resistance. |
| 02:19.07 | Shadowed | Nobody wears NR, meaning you either have to have a hunter with you or you have to wear Nr. |
| 02:19.27 | Thrae | Just put on your AQ Raid gear ;) |
| 02:19.37 | Shadowed | AQ Raid gear has no NR except for the NR resist items. |
| 02:20.06 | Thrae | Weird, my guild likes to have their tanks have a good amount of NR for raiding AQ. |
| 02:20.33 | Thrae | Especially AQ-20 |
| 02:21.10 | Shadowed | Except you only need NR for three fights, two of those being optional, and one of them you can get away without wearing NR ;) |
| 02:21.16 | Shadowed | (AQ40) |
| 02:21.30 | Cide | I assume you mean huhuran, visc and ouro |
| 02:21.50 | Shadowed | trio, never bothered with NR for ouro rather have the STA/Def to tank him. |
| 02:22.04 | Cide | maybe if you do kri last |
| 02:22.08 | Kirkburn1 | I predict Sand Trolls will be the next thing added to the WoW website :) |
| 02:22.11 | Cide | not really necessary otherwise |
| 02:22.16 | Shadowed | yeah, trio was the one i said you can get away without wearing Nr |
| 02:22.30 | Cide | ouro's easier with stamina gear, I feel.. huhuran only matters for 15 people, and visc.. well, everyone wants NR then |
| 02:22.32 | Shadowed | s/one i said/one i meant/ |
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| 02:25.11 | gnorlish | huhu is eating our faces off in lagq40 |
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| 02:44.32 | Mikord | Just got the new optimized version of MSBT uploaded so feel free to tear me up again kergoth :P |
| 02:44.38 | kergoth | sweet |
| 02:48.03 | kergoth | dont see 2.l0 in the downloads yet, i presume it hasnt yet to be approved? |
| 02:48.33 | Cairenn | nothing in the approval queue at WoWI |
| 02:49.02 | kergoth | he put the new one on curse. *gasp* |
| 02:49.03 | kergoth | :P |
| 02:49.24 | Mikord | yeah it's on curse |
| 02:49.29 | Cairenn | sorry, my confusion |
| 02:49.32 | Mikord | I haven't put it anywhere else. I supposed I should |
| 02:49.41 | Mikord | It's 2.0 |
| 02:49.49 | kergoth | you should, wowi is nice, and we're in their irc channel at the moment ;) |
| 02:50.20 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 02:50.31 | Cairenn | no obligation |
| 02:50.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:50.44 | Cairenn | I don't play that way, you know that |
| 02:51.34 | Mikord | Let me go check out how to add it to wowi. I've never looked |
| 02:51.44 | Cairenn | front page, left hand side |
| 02:51.48 | Cairenn | upload & update |
| 02:51.55 | AnduinLothar | :D I get to tank luci today |
| 02:52.12 | AnduinLothar | in my noob tanking gear |
| 02:52.45 | Cairenn | grats AnduinLothar |
| 02:55.47 | cladhaire | lol nice =) |
| 02:57.17 | Shadowed | AnduinLothar: Remember, you can BOP yourself to kill a melee class |
| 02:58.00 | Cairenn | Mikord: just let me know when you've finished uploading, so I can check and approve it |
| 02:58.37 | Mikord | Ok I'm taking some screenies now. I deleted them all. Be just a fe |
| 02:58.38 | Mikord | few* |
| 02:58.40 | Mikord | thanks |
| 02:58.46 | Cairenn | np |
| 02:59.11 | kergoth | anyone useth e soundtrack addon and have a selection of music for it? :) |
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| 02:59.36 | Shadowed | Add entire libary, put on random, enjoy! |
| 03:00.52 | kergoth | bah :) |
| 03:01.13 | AnduinLothar | lol bop myself ftl |
| 03:01.40 | Shadowed | Try to taunt some DPS warrior into trying to pull aggro off of you, then BOP yourself and watch him die |
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| 03:12.48 | cladhaire | Anyone have contact info for tivoli? |
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| 03:28.28 | stryder_30 | okay, so lets say i have a bunch of information.. possibly 40 lines worth of a max of around 20 characters. whats the best (while staying semi neat) way to display it on the screen? |
| 03:28.47 | Shadowed | Whats an example of the info you're showing? |
| 03:29.54 | Mikord | ok Cairenn it should be uploaded |
| 03:30.25 | stryder_30 | Stryder - 10:04 PM - 10 --- or something like that |
| 03:31.01 | cladhaire | anyone here using Clique? |
| 03:31.04 | Shadowed | I'd probably make some sort of frame to display it in if you're talking about 40 lines |
| 03:31.07 | Mikord | Use MSBT to display it :P just kidding. What's it purpose |
| 03:31.22 | Cairenn | Mikord: approved |
| 03:31.26 | stryder_30 | i havent quiet decided, im willing to change based on whats better, its 3 pieces of info, name, a nubmer and a time |
| 03:31.41 | stryder_30 | yeah, but do i create 40 fontstrings? |
| 03:32.04 | stryder_30 | because its not always going to be 40 |
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| 03:32.29 | Mikord | Cairenn: Thank you! |
| 03:32.35 | Cairenn | welcome :) |
| 03:32.54 | Mikord | so I dropped it from a monstruos 1100KB to about 488KB with the optimization and LoD options |
| 03:33.27 | zespri_work | stryder_30 there are not so many options. You can dump into the chat window, you can show it in a tooltip (but not 40 lines) or you can have a separate fancy window for displaying it that you can design the way you want it |
| 03:33.56 | kergoth | the new msbt kicks a metric ton of ass. more people need to try it out :) |
| 03:34.23 | Shadowed | I don't trust anything that has the words "metric ton of ass" used to describe it |
| 03:34.36 | kergoth | hahah |
| 03:34.45 | kergoth | blame me, not it :) |
| 03:34.50 | stryder_30 | okay, well i want a nice fancy frame window.. but i guess do i create 40 different label text boxes? or what? |
| 03:35.21 | Tem | why does blizzard have something against my guild doing BWL? |
| 03:35.41 | stryder_30 | dont worry Tem, they are out for my guild too! |
| 03:35.53 | Shadowed | The same reason Blizzard decides to take Icecrown down for about 10 hours when we're going to nax :( |
| 03:37.03 | zespri_work | stryder_30 depends. I'm not sure if you can have multi-lined FonString but some half fo people on this chanel can answer this question for sure, or even you can if you do some research. |
| 03:37.53 | zespri_work | stryder_30 and if you can't have them multilined then yes, you do 40 of them. or less if you want to impelent scrolling. like displaying 40 in 30 lines window |
| 03:37.54 | MentalPower | yes you can have a multi-line fontstring "\n" |
| 03:38.03 | Thrae | You can more then one line in a FontString. Just use "\n" |
| 03:38.09 | MentalPower | but I think 40 of them would be better for your needs |
| 03:38.29 | Thrae | Yes, the way Lua handles strings, it's better to use multiple FontStrings. |
| 03:38.55 | stryder_30 | hmm.. okay |
| 03:39.08 | stryder_30 | ill give it a try then.. i think i can figure the rest out |
| 03:39.24 | Mikord | You can create fontstrings on the fly |
| 03:40.19 | Mikord | I'd just create a virtual fontstring to use a template and create them on the fly as you need them |
| 03:40.58 | Mikord | as of patch 1.11 you can instantiate from virtuals |
| 03:42.12 | Cairenn | night clad|Sleep |
| 03:42.17 | clad|Sleep | night Cairenn |
| 03:42.24 | clad|Sleep | i put a new versin of CLique up against my better judgement |
| 03:42.39 | Cairenn | if it's against your better judgement, why'd you put it up? |
| 03:42.43 | clad|Sleep | but it should work out fine, its pretty well tested. |
| 03:42.57 | clad|Sleep | Because my standards are ridiiculous =) |
| 03:43.06 | clad|Sleep | My better judgement is kinda retarded sometimes =) |
| 03:43.24 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:43.27 | clad|Sleep | It was a HUGE update, lots of things fixed.. so it was really necessary to get it into the users hands |
| 03:44.15 | Mikord | I feel the same way clad. I basically rewrote my mod so I was quadruple checking stuff |
| 03:44.54 | clad|Sleep | bbias, taking the dog out. |
| 03:45.14 | clad|Sleep | i need to write a few emails so i'll be up for a bitl |
| 03:45.50 | MentalPower | great AnduinLothar leaves just as I'm typing a question for him... |
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| 03:47.06 | slouken | Oh my! |
| 03:47.14 | Shadowed | hey slouken |
| 03:48.14 | MentalPower | hey slouken |
| 03:48.17 | Cairenn | hey slouken, do you like peanut butter? |
| 03:48.28 | stryder_30 | Okay, i am trying to dectect deaths in my raid, i am using UNIT_HEALTH event and checking if UnitHealth(arg1) == 0, but its picking up FDs and Preist Angels, how can i tell the difference between a normal death and a FD/Angel? |
| 03:48.42 | Shadowed | Buff debuff |
| 03:48.45 | Cide | you scan buffs |
| 03:48.45 | Shadowed | err buff check |
| 03:48.56 | slouken | Yes, why? |
| 03:48.57 | MentalPower | there was another way |
| 03:49.07 | slouken | a smoother, chunkier way |
| 03:49.14 | Cairenn | just curious |
| 03:49.20 | MentalPower | lemme see if purl's logs have the answer |
| 03:49.21 | Thrae | Can you check with UnitIsDeadOrGhost if they're friendly? |
| 03:49.24 | slouken | Hrm |
| 03:49.31 | slouken | No cookies, this time please. :) |
| 03:49.34 | Cide | UnitIsDead returns true |
| 03:49.39 | Cide | so UnitIsDeadOrGhost should as well |
| 03:49.43 | Shadowed | but you deserve them! |
| 03:49.47 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 03:49.48 | clad|Sleep | slouken: Cake? Wine? Liquor? |
| 03:49.48 | slouken | :) thanks |
| 03:49.52 | slouken | I'm on a diet. |
| 03:50.00 | Cairenn | sex? |
| 03:50.01 | MentalPower | lol |
| 03:50.02 | clad|Sleep | Low carb cookies? |
| 03:50.05 | slouken | mmmm |
| 03:50.13 | Cide | mmm to which? eh? :) |
| 03:50.14 | gnorlish | beer is good for you, have some of that |
| 03:50.15 | stryder_30 | wait, so buff/debuffs is the best way to detect it? |
| 03:50.16 | clad|Sleep | haha |
| 03:50.19 | slouken | low carb cookieesssss |
| 03:50.25 | slouken | kidding. :) |
| 03:50.28 | Mikord | stryder: yeah |
| 03:50.37 | stryder_30 | okay |
| 03:50.45 | Cide | scanning buffs is the only way I've found to work |
| 03:50.46 | slouken | I think rich milk chocolate is in my diet though... |
| 03:50.57 | Shadowed | stryder_30: Check the person for "Feign Death" and "Spirit of Redemption" as the buff name, believe theres some sort of libary out there that does it easly |
| 03:51.13 | slouken | Yep, as long as I don't eat anything else for a day. :) |
| 03:51.14 | stryder_30 | hmm.. i dont see the buff ingame, is it still there? |
| 03:51.23 | Cide | is the player friendly? |
| 03:51.40 | slouken | The Playah is ALWAYS friendly. |
| 03:51.41 | Cide | you have no way of telling if it's a hostile player (other than trying to cast an ability) |
| 03:51.54 | Shadowed | UnitReaction? |
| 03:52.15 | Cide | the player in question, that is - not necessarily unitid "player" |
| 03:52.16 | stryder_30 | they are friednly, this is in a raid setting |
| 03:52.39 | Shadowed | well, he's doing raid checking so i'd imagine he'll be passing raidX as a unitId anyway |
| 03:52.50 | stryder_30 | yeah, im using raidX |
| 03:53.00 | clad|Sleep | Cide: UnitCanAttack("player", "target")? |
| 03:53.00 | Thrae | IsBuffActive simple tooltip scanning addon works for me in a raid setting |
| 03:53.14 | Cide | clad|Sleep: isn't that simply a hostile check? |
| 03:53.21 | Shadowed | I wish i could attack the same people in my raid :( |
| 03:53.30 | Cide | that is, it'd return true for a dead enemy player anyway |
| 03:53.37 | stryder_30 | doesnt that scan for chat log stuff? so it would fail with range? |
| 03:53.38 | clad|Sleep | Cide: Ah yes, it would. |
| 03:53.53 | Thrae | stryder_30: It scans the tooltip. |
| 03:53.55 | Cairenn | hey clad? the boy around? |
| 03:54.02 | Shadowed | stryder_30: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-974-1-isbuffactive.html would be an easy buff scanning libary if you don't want to do it |
| 03:54.11 | clad|Sleep | Cairenn: Nope, in Seattle. Comes back tomorrow night |
| 03:54.15 | Cairenn | blah, okay |
| 03:54.19 | clad|Sleep | Cide: I have a small cache that will convert any unitid (targttargettargettargettarget) into a friendly unitID if one exists |
| 03:54.23 | clad|Sleep | Cairenn: Any particular reason? |
| 03:54.30 | stryder_30 | the angel will get a visable buff, thats easy enough to check... but im stuck on the FD, i didnt think it gave a buff or debuff |
| 03:54.32 | Cairenn | trying to come up with a good Gaelic name for my new pet is all |
| 03:54.45 | Thrae | I'm pretty sure FD gives a buff |
| 03:54.46 | Shadowed | stryder_30: If they are friendly it'll give a buff with a skull and a blue background |
| 03:54.52 | Cide | FD gives a buff, I'm positive |
| 03:54.56 | clad|Sleep | Thrae: FD does give a buff. |
| 03:55.02 | Cide | so does spirit of redemption |
| 03:55.02 | Cairenn | aye, it does |
| 03:55.03 | clad|Sleep | the code to scan for it in is PerfectRaid. |
| 03:55.09 | clad|Sleep | its not very difficult. |
| 03:55.19 | Thrae | clad|Sleep: Is there a lib tighter then IsBuffActive out there? |
| 03:55.39 | stryder_30 | okay, so its not visable in game, but its there? i have a hunter FDing for me now in game and i dont see one |
| 03:55.45 | clad|Sleep | not really.. I use Clique:IsBuffActive() cause its a bit cleaner for my uses. |
| 03:56.00 | Cide | it should be visible |
| 03:56.06 | Cairenn | stryder_30: you may not see it, but (s)he can |
| 03:56.10 | stryder_30 | ill check agagin |
| 03:56.11 | Cairenn | there's definitely one there |
| 03:56.15 | Thrae | The only thing I'd like to see with IsBuffActive is making the tooltip dynamically. |
| 03:56.16 | Shadowed | Cairenn: But if you can't see it then you can't scan for it |
| 03:56.17 | MentalPower | UnitIsCorpse()? |
| 03:56.19 | Cide | for sanity's sake, is UnitIsVisbile("...") true? |
| 03:57.11 | Cide | MentalPower: is that the function that only works for "mouseover" (when mousing over a corpse) |
| 03:57.22 | MentalPower | bah |
| 03:57.37 | Cide | not positive, but I think that's the case |
| 03:58.08 | zespri_work | I think we had exactly the same discussion about detecting death in raids and implication of Feign Death just a couple of days ago |
| 03:58.10 | clad|Sleep | Thrae: Grab the code from Clique:IsBuffActive() |
| 03:58.16 | clad|Sleep | makes it dynamic on first execution |
| 03:58.17 | stryder_30 | lol |
| 03:58.22 | clad|Sleep | and takes Interface\\Icon\\Blah paths as well |
| 03:58.24 | Shadowed | zespri: we did? |
| 03:58.27 | stryder_30 | so you should have a easy answer then, right? |
| 03:58.31 | MentalPower | AHA!! |
| 03:58.33 | MentalPower | Found it |
| 03:58.36 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 03:58.36 | purl | MentalPower: aw, gee |
| 03:58.38 | MentalPower | 23:34.55KirovGetRaidRosterInfo()'s isDead value doesn't return 1 if you're FD, unlike every other health or "dead" check |
| 03:58.44 | Cide | right |
| 03:58.50 | Cide | but that is also very inaccurate |
| 03:58.56 | zespri_work | Shadowed, well I witnessed it. the actors may be not the same as now |
| 03:58.58 | Cide | (or, has been, a couple of patches ago) |
| 03:59.13 | Cide | see my reply a couple of lines below that, MentalPower |
| 03:59.44 | zespri_work | stryder_30, yeah, if only I could remeber =) |
| 03:59.57 | Thrae | clad|Sleep: Hmm, maybe we should make that separately embeddable. |
| 04:00.09 | MentalPower | Cide: I don't see your reply |
| 04:00.35 | MentalPower | 23:34.55KirovGetRaidRosterInfo()'s isDead value doesn't return 1 if you're FD, unlike every other health or "dead" check |
| 04:00.38 | MentalPower | grr... |
| 04:00.39 | Cide | maybe that was another time then.. in any case, it is very inaccurate when people are not UnitIsVisible(...) |
| 04:00.54 | Thrae | Although embedding one function may be overkill. |
| 04:01.08 | Cide | which you have witnessed if you've ever seen the raid tab have red names when people are alive |
| 04:01.30 | clad|Sleep | Thrae: Yeah, just copy it =) |
| 04:01.35 | stryder_30 | so wait, i can use GetRaidRosterInfo()? or your saying that its a bad idea, inaccurate |
| 04:01.35 | clad|Sleep | its like 25 lines of code. |
| 04:01.47 | stryder_30 | sorry, im alt-tabbing alot so im missing parts of the conversation =D |
| 04:01.56 | Cide | it might be accurate enough to suit your purposes, that I do not know |
| 04:02.08 | Cide | but it has returned incorrect information for me several times |
| 04:02.15 | stryder_30 | my guild may or may not be in the middle of a raid =P |
| 04:02.18 | stryder_30 | hmm.. okay |
| 04:02.20 | MentalPower | stryder_30: you can use it, with the knowledge that its not accurate when (not UnitIsVisible()) |
| 04:02.32 | Cide | that's not the only case |
| 04:02.36 | stryder_30 | i would like to stay accurate as possible |
| 04:02.38 | Cide | but I believe that's related to the cause |
| 04:03.15 | Cide | I've had the whole raid tab be red, while all members have been resurrected and are standing beside me |
| 04:04.01 | MentalPower | the next line is just so I can find this convo easier next time the subject surfaces |
| 04:04.03 | MentalPower | Hunter Feign Death FD Priest Spirit of Redemption |
| 04:05.28 | stryder_30 | okay, so is there a conclusion? =) |
| 04:08.12 | MentalPower | if you want to play it safe, scan for buffs/debuffs |
| 04:10.46 | Mikord | Good night folks. |
| 04:10.54 | slouken | Good night mikord |
| 04:11.03 | Cairenn | night Mikord |
| 04:12.19 | Sat|working | Oh hey, hi slouken =) |
| 04:12.31 | MentalPower | note to self, the first two "FF"'s in a colorization don't do anything |
| 04:12.38 | slouken | Hey Sat |
| 04:12.47 | clad|Sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.54 | MentalPower | and here I thought they might be alpha values |
| 04:13.33 | Satrina | Raid was good, start at Ebonroc tomorrow. WOuld have been Chromaggus but we had a bad moment at 20% when a rogue ripped aggro, and we lost momentum. |
| 04:13.39 | slouken | They are alpha values, but not all strings are allowed colorized alpha. |
| 04:13.52 | clad|Sleep | MentalPower: pwned. |
| 04:14.14 | MentalPower | yeah |
| 04:14.15 | Shadowed | Satrina: slap your rogue |
| 04:14.25 | Satrina | Shadowed: Already done :) |
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| 04:14.36 | clad|Sleep | Cide: O hai |
| 04:14.40 | Cide | hi |
| 04:15.00 | MentalPower | wb cide |
| 04:15.05 | Cairenn | hey Satrina, wb Cide |
| 04:15.12 | slouken | Heya |
| 04:15.17 | Cide | thanks, I think I managed to hit a shortcut to reboot my computer |
| 04:15.34 | clad|Sleep | ack, that's no good. |
| 04:16.09 | Cide | http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&p=dumb+blonde&b=5&oid=81a0dca6922c4780&rurl=video.yahoo.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Ddumb%2Bblonde&vback=Results |
| 04:18.02 | clad|Sleep | haha |
| 04:19.01 | clad|Sleep | okay, enough sleep-talking for me. Have a good night. |
| 04:19.03 | Shadowed | Error in debug(); incorrect arguments |
| 04:19.07 | Cide | night clad|Sleep |
| 04:19.19 | Cairenn | sweet dreams clad|Sleep :) |
| 04:20.16 | slouken | Night clad |
| 04:20.28 | Shadowed | Ie7 broke the video player :( |
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| 04:23.28 | Satrina | Welp, time for bed. Night everyone |
| 04:24.00 | Cairenn | night Satrina |
| 04:24.41 | Legorol | slouken, good evening to you |
| 04:25.00 | Shadowed | Has anyone used CloseBattlefield() before by the way? All I've been able to figure out so far is it seems to reset some sort of interal info but doesn't effect anything visible |
| 04:25.11 | Legorol | i see everyone tried to smother you in cookies |
| 04:26.23 | slouken | Yeah, I told them just send chocolate dipped strawberries and a pretty girl. ;-) |
| 04:26.35 | Legorol | i found out today you have an office with a window! |
| 04:26.38 | Legorol | what can you see from there? |
| 04:26.40 | Shadowed | slouken: we can send you Cairenn how about that? |
| 04:26.45 | slouken | Your face! |
| 04:26.53 | slouken | Just kidding. How did you find out? |
| 04:27.01 | slouken | I can see the parking lot - it's a stunning view. :) |
| 04:27.04 | Legorol | a little birdie told me ;-) |
| 04:27.16 | Cairenn | a little birdie? where? |
| 04:27.25 | slouken | ~lart little birdy |
| 04:27.25 | Shadowed | slouken: we were talking about it earlier, Cairenn was going to bake them |
| 04:27.49 | Cide | bake chocolate dipped strawberries? or bake a pretty girl? |
| 04:27.52 | slouken | I appreciate it, really, but I am on a diet, and if I set them out here, they are devoured in seconds. |
| 04:28.39 | Legorol | btw, has anyone thanked you profusely yet for the hidden addon communication thingy |
| 04:28.50 | Legorol | especially for listening for feedback and adding a prefix |
| 04:28.57 | slouken | Yep, thanks. :) |
| 04:29.02 | Legorol | if not, i'll use this opportunity |
| 04:29.11 | netcurse | Morning ;) |
| 04:29.23 | Legorol | just teasing ;-) |
| 04:29.24 | Cairenn | hello netcurse |
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| 04:30.43 | Cide | hello Kirov |
| 04:30.54 | Kirov | allo |
| 04:30.59 | Cide | and speaking of mornings... I have yet to go to bed :( |
| 04:31.13 | Cairenn | Cide: sleep! |
| 04:31.21 | Legorol | ditto |
| 04:31.25 | slouken | Night Cide, Legorol |
| 04:31.28 | Cairenn | Legorol: you also! |
| 04:31.36 | Cide | slouken: good night! |
| 04:31.41 | Kirov | slouken - <3 |
| 04:31.44 | Legorol | good night sleep well |
| 04:31.45 | Cide | Cairenn: will do! |
| 04:31.53 | Cide | night everyone |
| 04:31.56 | Cairenn | sweet dreams both |
| 04:31.59 | Legorol | Cide, sleep well and dream of masses of grateful users |
| 04:32.05 | Legorol | since it only happens in a dream ;-) |
| 04:32.07 | Cide | there is no such thing |
| 04:32.12 | slouken | amen |
| 04:32.22 | Cide | there is only zuul |
| 04:32.24 | Cide | good night! |
| 04:32.26 | Kirov | slouken - that you for doing the string splitting in c |
| 04:32.27 | slouken | good night! |
| 04:32.29 | Kirov | er, thank |
| 04:32.51 | slouken | You're welcome Kirov, it's definitely going to save some garbage collection. |
| 04:33.28 | Wobin | slouken: omg. Woo =) |
| 04:33.29 | Legorol | speaking of grateful users, Aeus nominated EquipCompare as one of the best addons in the "best addons" thread on EU UI |
| 04:33.32 | Legorol | it made me melt |
| 04:33.33 | Wobin | Thank you for the new stuff! |
| 04:33.36 | slouken | Cool! |
| 04:33.45 | slouken | You're welcome. |
| 04:33.50 | Wobin | Legorol: Linky? =) |
| 04:33.58 | Legorol | sec |
| 04:34.14 | Legorol | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=48751&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 04:34.35 | MentalPower | Kirov: what is this string splitting in C all about? |
| 04:34.50 | Wobin | hrm, any reason that whisper communication isn't encouraged? |
| 04:35.09 | Legorol | slouken, who decides what sort of ideas to incorporate in the default UI... |
| 04:35.28 | Legorol | Wobin: because that's easy to filter already |
| 04:35.33 | Legorol | as in with an addon |
| 04:35.53 | Legorol | so don't need that much special treatment |
| 04:36.09 | Kirov | MentalPower - SendAddonMessage() used to be 1 string message that the user inputs. That means that to see if a message is for your mod, you'll have to take the message sent to you and do a string.find() on the message to see if the header matches. |
| 04:36.18 | Wobin | oh, I see, not encouraged for interface integration |
| 04:37.17 | Kirov | MentalPower - Now, there's a "prefix" and a message. It's combined in to a single 255 byte string when sent and broken in to 2 peices on the other side in the client before being handed to lua. |
| 04:37.33 | MentalPower | IC |
| 04:37.36 | Legorol | Kirov, i think it's 254 |
| 04:37.40 | Wobin | Legorol: Sleep |
| 04:37.45 | Wobin | GW isn't worth it =P |
| 04:37.47 | Legorol | i'm not sure why the limit is lowered to 254 from 255 |
| 04:37.51 | Kirov | Legorol - 255 string with a delimiter |
| 04:37.54 | Legorol | my guess would be that a delimiter is secretly inserted |
| 04:37.55 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:38.23 | Legorol | if that is the case, we'll need to pester slouken to find out what's used as a delimiter... to make sure we don't use it in the message/prefix itself |
| 04:38.29 | Legorol | if that matters |
| 04:38.47 | Legorol | Wobin: ok i'll take your word for it |
| 04:39.06 | Wobin | =) |
| 04:40.05 | Kirov | Legorol - doubt it |
| 04:40.24 | Legorol | well you never know.. |
| 04:40.55 | Legorol | after all, there's probably nothing fancy to it, and it's just sent as a single, concatenated string. |
| 04:41.23 | slouken | It's a tab character as a delimiter |
| 04:41.32 | slouken | So don't use \t in the prefix. :) |
| 04:41.33 | Kirov | good to know, actually |
| 04:41.38 | Legorol | thanks! |
| 04:41.38 | Wobin | easy enough =) |
| 04:41.43 | Kirov | should use \n |
| 04:41.45 | Legorol | that's actually something that could've happened |
| 04:41.50 | Kirov | since we're not allowed to use that |
| 04:41.56 | Legorol | that's a good question too... |
| 04:42.00 | slouken | All the normal chat rules apply, no \n, no item links, etc. |
| 04:42.08 | Legorol | no item link? |
| 04:42.10 | Legorol | or no fake link |
| 04:42.17 | slouken | er, no link to item you don't have |
| 04:42.22 | Legorol | ok |
| 04:42.33 | Legorol | but it doesn't strip the link like in General channel |
| 04:42.40 | slouken | No, it doesn't. |
| 04:42.40 | Kirov | well, custom channel rules or group channel rules? |
| 04:42.47 | Kirov | ok |
| 04:42.48 | slouken | Yep |
| 04:43.07 | Legorol | i'll make sure Iriel adds these points to the changes post |
| 04:43.59 | Legorol | any reason why it's SendAddon and not SendAddOn ;-) |
| 04:44.01 | Legorol | like all other APIs |
| 04:44.05 | slouken | Doh |
| 04:44.31 | slouken | It probably should be, eh? |
| 04:44.38 | Legorol | fine by me.. |
| 04:44.43 | Legorol | i never remember which way round it is anyway |
| 04:44.47 | Legorol | so have to check the wiki :) |
| 04:45.03 | slouken | Eh, I'll leave it as it is. I'm too lazy to change it. :) |
| 04:45.11 | MentalPower | they're all "AddOn" ATM |
| 04:45.36 | slouken | Okay, okay. |
| 04:46.12 | Legorol | we are a heartless bunch, aren't we... |
| 04:46.27 | Thrae | I always say "Ad-don" instead of "Add-on" myself. |
| 04:46.28 | Wobin | Girl Scout cookies? |
| 04:46.34 | Wobin | Made from real Girl Scout? |
| 04:48.32 | Kirov | http://www.worndoorstep.com/shop/images/biscutis&bonbons/pirate-cookies.png |
| 04:48.36 | Legorol | Cairenn, that's ok, that's why i'm not offering real girls. only baked ones. |
| 04:48.49 | Legorol | you see, it's like chocolate bunnies. it's ok to eat them. |
| 04:48.52 | Thrae | Kirov: You ruined the surprise! =/ |
| 04:48.52 | Cairenn | and that link is why I asked if you liked peanut butter |
| 04:49.15 | Kirov | doh |
| 04:49.23 | Cairenn | he really did, too, I was gonna buy a box and send them down, since you can only get them in Canada, if I read it right |
| 04:49.36 | Kirov | :( |
| 04:49.55 | Cairenn | s'okay, he doesn't want them anyway, he's on a diet, thinks he's getting fat or something :p |
| 04:49.58 | Legorol | well slouken's not back yet.. maybe we can stop him from clicking the link? |
| 04:50.31 | Thrae | Let's flood the channel with meaningless lines of text! |
| 04:50.39 | Legorol | ok |
| 04:50.39 | Legorol | i |
| 04:50.40 | Legorol | can |
| 04:50.40 | Cairenn | (00:50:21) Thrae: Let's flood the channel with meaningless lines of text! |
| 04:50.40 | Legorol | help |
| 04:50.41 | Cairenn | (00:50:21) Thrae: Let's flood the channel with meaningless lines of text! |
| 04:50.41 | Legorol | there |
| 04:50.42 | Thrae | ...Which is an action different then what I do everyday! |
| 04:50.43 | Cairenn | (00:50:21) Thrae: Let's flood the channel with meaningless lines of text!]\ |
| 04:50.45 | Cairenn | (00:50:21) Thrae: Let's flood the channel with meaningless lines of text! |
| 04:50.48 | Legorol | woot |
| 04:50.49 | Legorol | woot |
| 04:50.51 | Legorol | woot |
| 04:50.53 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:50.55 | Legorol | we are allowed to flood! |
| 04:50.55 | Legorol | we are allowed to flood! |
| 04:51.08 | Cairenn | only for about 50 lines ;) |
| 04:51.17 | Legorol | am i over 50 yet? |
| 04:51.24 | MentalPower | hey |
| 04:51.26 | MentalPower | I |
| 04:51.28 | MentalPower | can |
| 04:51.30 | MentalPower | help |
| 04:51.31 | MentalPower | too |
| 04:51.32 | Kirov | no |
| 04:51.33 | MentalPower | :) |
| 04:51.34 | Legorol | MentalPower, |
| 04:51.35 | Legorol | thanks |
| 04:51.36 | Legorol | for |
| 04:51.37 | Legorol | your |
| 04:51.38 | Legorol | valiant |
| 04:51.39 | Legorol | effort |
| 04:51.48 | MentalPower | no |
| 04:51.49 | MentalPower | not |
| 04:51.51 | MentalPower | * |
| 04:51.55 | MentalPower | a |
| 04:51.57 | MentalPower | problem |
| 04:51.58 | MentalPower | Legorol: |
| 04:52.03 | MentalPower | , |
| 04:52.05 | MentalPower | always |
| 04:52.07 | MentalPower | glad |
| 04:52.09 | MentalPower | to |
| 04:52.11 | MentalPower | help |
| 04:52.20 | Cairenn | such |
| 04:52.21 | Cairenn | a |
| 04:52.21 | Legorol | and this is why a \n disconnects you in WoW :P |
| 04:52.22 | Cairenn | helpful |
| 04:52.23 | Cairenn | group |
| 04:52.25 | Cairenn | of |
| 04:52.26 | Cairenn | people |
| 04:52.27 | Cairenn | in |
| 04:52.28 | Cairenn | this |
| 04:52.30 | Cairenn | channel |
| 04:52.43 | Shadowed | what |
| 04:52.44 | Shadowed | the |
| 04:52.45 | Shadowed | hell |
| 04:52.46 | Shadowed | just |
| 04:52.47 | Shadowed | happened |
| 04:52.48 | Shadowed | and |
| 04:52.48 | Shadowed | why |
| 04:52.49 | Shadowed | are |
| 04:52.50 | Shadowed | we |
| 04:52.52 | Shadowed | spamming |
| 04:52.54 | Legorol | scroll |
| 04:52.55 | Legorol | back |
| 04:52.55 | Legorol | and |
| 04:52.56 | Legorol | read |
| 04:52.56 | Legorol | it |
| 04:52.58 | Cairenn | lol, I think we can stop now ;) |
| 04:53.05 | Shadowed | maybe he's on a 30 inch screen |
| 04:53.13 | Legorol | yeah, better safe than sorry |
| 04:53.18 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 04:53.27 | Legorol | ehm.. are the login servers down in US? |
| 04:53.27 | Cairenn | he's said before that he's only got a 50 line scroll back ;) |
| 04:53.29 | Legorol | can't post.. |
| 04:53.35 | Shadowed | Legorol: yes |
| 04:53.39 | Shadowed | have been for like 10 hours |
| 04:53.41 | Cairenn | Legorol: yes, damn things have been down all bloody day |
| 04:53.42 | Legorol | poor folks |
| 04:53.45 | Legorol | ouch! 10 hours? |
| 04:53.50 | Legorol | let's find a scapegoat! |
| 04:53.59 | Cairenn | not it! |
| 04:54.09 | Legorol | i think i know one whose name starts with s... |
| 04:54.59 | Thrae | Who, Seth Parkins the Copy Boy? |
| 04:55.07 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:55.09 | Thrae | Let's all blame Seth Parkins! |
| 04:55.16 | Wobin | Poor Seth |
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| 04:55.20 | Wobin | Always the short end of the stick |
| 04:55.26 | Thrae | His Copy of the server code had a smudge in a critical area. |
| 04:55.38 | Legorol | lol |
| 04:55.58 | Legorol | hm.. i wonder if bug reports about the EU beta forums make it over the atlantic |
| 04:56.27 | Legorol | otherwise it'll be a pain for me to log in to the new forums :( |
| 04:56.40 | slouken | You bastards |
| 04:56.47 | Wobin | heheh |
| 04:56.55 | Wobin | <evil cackle> |
| 04:56.58 | Cairenn | why? |
| 04:57.19 | slouken | j/k |
| 04:57.21 | Shadowed | did he find the rumor we posted? |
| 04:57.29 | Shadowed | nevermind! |
| 04:57.46 | Shadowed | Legorol: steal what slouken is using to post, he's been fine all day :( |
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| 04:58.02 | Cairenn | has that gotten any more takers yet, Shadowed? |
| 04:58.10 | Legorol | slouken, your expletive was completely justified! the only question is, *which* exact deed we have committed caused the expletive |
| 04:58.20 | Legorol | having committedd multiple sins |
| 04:58.22 | Cairenn | *snickers* |
| 04:58.33 | Shadowed | Cairenn: Nothing, we need to get it posted on the US forums and it'll take off |
| 04:59.11 | Cairenn | well, hopefully we'll be able to log in to them tomorrow and someone can cross-link |
| 04:59.12 | Shadowed | /msg wobin http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-en&ThreadID=49853 |
| 04:59.14 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 04:59.16 | Shadowed | :( |
| 04:59.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:59.29 | Wobin | rofl |
| 04:59.37 | Shadowed | Forgot that i should just click the name |
| 04:59.38 | Thrae | We all know your secret now, Shadowed! |
| 04:59.41 | Cairenn | your irc-fu is weak |
| 04:59.52 | Shadowed | Thrae: Iriel started it, blackmail him |
| 05:00.19 | Cairenn | no, actually, he didn't |
| 05:00.28 | Shadowed | yes he did :p |
| 05:00.29 | Cairenn | he just suggested that it might be something to consider doing |
| 05:00.38 | Cairenn | he wasn't the one that actually posted it ;) |
| 05:00.41 | Legorol | so what is the rumour |
| 05:00.47 | Shadowed | he couldn't post it because he has blue text |
| 05:00.50 | Cairenn | click the link :p |
| 05:00.51 | Shadowed | wheres purl logs? :p |
| 05:00.59 | Wobin | ~logs |
| 05:01.03 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 05:01.04 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 05:01.04 | Wobin | hehe |
| 05:01.05 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:01.13 | Wobin | damnit |
| 05:01.18 | Wobin | (don't tell slouken) |
| 05:01.39 | Legorol | you mean that thread is a fake rumour generated from within here? |
| 05:01.44 | Cairenn | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ is the direct link |
| 05:01.46 | Shadowed | Legorol: yep |
| 05:01.50 | Legorol | yay! |
| 05:01.52 | Cairenn | Legorol: *whistles innocently* |
| 05:02.00 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:02.04 | Legorol | but it's on EU.. so.. |
| 05:02.05 | Shadowed | the plain was that i'd post it on the US forums |
| 05:02.09 | Legorol | possible culprits are.. |
| 05:02.12 | Shadowed | but the login server has been down |
| 05:02.19 | Thrae | Login server for EU? |
| 05:02.22 | Legorol | noone pays any attention to EU UI |
| 05:02.33 | Cairenn | no, but we're going to cross link it |
| 05:02.52 | Shadowed | It doesn't log /me which is what Iriel used when he said it :( |
| 05:02.53 | Cairenn | except US been down all day |
| 05:03.07 | Cairenn | Shadowed: *snicker* nope, it doesn't |
| 05:03.12 | Thrae | Ahh, the forum's login server |
| 05:03.18 | Shadowed | Cairenn: I'll prove you wrong, just you wait |
| 05:03.30 | Legorol | so, with login down for 10 hours.. |
| 05:03.36 | Cairenn | Legorol: precisely |
| 05:03.36 | Legorol | does it mean no wow for that long? on any realms? |
| 05:03.40 | Legorol | or only forum logins |
| 05:03.45 | Cairenn | oh, no, only forums |
| 05:03.53 | Shadowed | Legorol: 10 servers have been down basically all day |
| 05:04.08 | Legorol | hehe, otherwise when the login is back, the forums would be ripped to pieces |
| 05:04.13 | Cairenn | unrelated |
| 05:04.23 | Thrae | Main Login Server is fine |
| 05:04.23 | Legorol | and some blizzard CMs would be quartered, hung and lynched probably by the crowds |
| 05:04.27 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:04.42 | Shadowed | probably |
| 05:04.49 | Legorol | did you guys hear about the move they did in EU? |
| 05:05.00 | Shadowed | ? |
| 05:05.09 | Legorol | with about 15 hours notice, they brought down the vast majority of servers for 24 hours, and a small portion of them for 48 |
| 05:05.09 | Cairenn | the one you were bitching about at great and extensive lengths last week? |
| 05:05.16 | Legorol | yup :) |
| 05:05.29 | Cairenn | yeah, I think perhaps we heard about that |
| 05:05.30 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:05.35 | Legorol | ok :D |
| 05:06.15 | Thrae | That many servers down, but not ALL of them down, sounds like some corrupt DBs? |
| 05:06.21 | Shadowed | AHA! |
| 05:06.31 | Shadowed | [29:48] * @Iriel tries to think of a good 1.12 rumor to start to spread. Something that's just within the bounds of possibility. |
| 05:06.54 | Shadowed | I copied and pasted what Iriel said for Tem so it logged that |
| 05:08.06 | slouken | Good night everyone |
| 05:08.12 | Cairenn | night slouken |
| 05:08.13 | Shadowed | night slouken |
| 05:08.23 | Wobin | =( |
| 05:08.25 | Thrae | ~night |
| 05:08.27 | purl | G'night thrae, get out of here. |
| 05:08.27 | Wobin | login server down =( |
| 05:08.47 | Thrae | Wobin: FORUM Login Server down |
| 05:08.54 | Wobin | er, yes |
| 05:08.57 | Wobin | Sorry =) |
| 05:09.09 | Thrae | Just making sure people don't get ansy...all 3 of us awake |
| 05:09.28 | Wobin | anyone currently logged into the forums? |
| 05:11.05 | Cairenn | just tried again, no joy |
| 05:11.34 | Wobin | alas |
| 05:11.50 | stryder_30 | for a friendly, is there a function to count how many buffs a unit has so i dont get an outofbounds error if im counting to high when im trying to check for a certain buff using a for loop and UnitBuff? |
| 05:12.10 | stryder_30 | or... will i get an outofbounds error if i just count to 16 on buffs? |
| 05:13.50 | Legorol | you can query the number of buffs |
| 05:16.27 | Legorol | sorry that's wrong |
| 05:16.40 | Kirov | you shouldn't get an out of bounds error |
| 05:16.42 | Legorol | for any unit that is not the player, you'd do |
| 05:17.14 | Kirov | ah |
| 05:17.43 | Legorol | for i=1,16 do buffTexture, buffApplications = UnitBuff(unit, i, showCastable); if (buffTexture) then ... end end |
| 05:18.12 | Legorol | that's how you check to make sure that the i-th buff exists |
| 05:22.19 | Kirov | could stick a "if (buffTexture) then stuff else break; end |
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| 05:22.52 | stryder_30 | i got disconnected, sorry, can you relay that info about the buff checking? |
| 05:26.55 | Kirov | [22:17] Legorol: for i=1,16 do buffTexture, buffApplications = UnitBuff(unit, i, showCastable); if (buffTexture) then ... end end |
| 05:26.55 | Kirov | [22:18] Legorol: that's how you check to make sure that the i-th buff exists |
| 05:27.01 | Kirov | [22:22] Kirov: could stick a "if (buffTexture) then stuff else break; end |
| 05:37.49 | Cairenn | well guys, time for this chickie to go get some sleep, night all |
| 05:37.53 | kergoth | night |
| 05:42.50 | Tem | rofl weird |
| 05:42.56 | Tem | I just got an AB warning in silithus |
| 05:43.08 | Tem | "The battle for Arathis Basin will begin in 30 seconds! |
| 05:43.39 | Shadowed | Tem: It happens sometimes where you join a battleground but you get bugged and don't actually teleport in, but you still get the messages. |
| 05:43.44 | Shadowed | it's pretty rare but it happens |
| 05:43.53 | Tem | I didn't join the BG |
| 05:44.01 | Tem | didn't even queue |
| 05:44.20 | Shadowed | weird |
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| 06:02.48 | Tem | hey! |
| 06:02.53 | slouken | meep! |
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| 06:03.09 | Tem | >< |
| 06:05.19 | Iriel | Crap, I missed slouken |
| 06:05.28 | Tem | lol, he didn't turn off irc |
| 06:05.32 | Tem | he just left the channel |
| 06:06.00 | Cairenn|sleep | that's because he's in his SDL channel |
| 06:06.03 | Cairenn|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.10 | Tem | aye |
| 06:06.30 | Cairenn|sleep | anyway, passing out now |
| 06:06.31 | Cairenn|sleep | night |
| 06:07.00 | Tem | night cair |
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| 06:08.17 | Thrae | Darn power outage. |
| 06:08.46 | Thrae | Were you having fun while I was gone? You guys better not have been having fun! |
| 06:09.43 | Shadowed | yes |
| 06:09.45 | Shadowed | lots of fun |
| 06:14.24 | Thrae | Damn you! |
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| 06:21.40 | Tem | nobody likes you everyone hates you they're all out without you having fun |
| 06:24.25 | ckknight | hey all |
| 06:40.42 | Tem|Sleep | night guys |
| 06:41.19 | Shadowed | night tem |
| 06:58.52 | Shadowed | Login server is back |
| 06:58.52 | Shadowed | Forum login server that is |
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| 07:26.30 | kergoth | ~botmail for Wobin: mrplow appears to choke on my ammo bag. (have one quiver, and an herb bag). i see the erorr about not putting things otehr than arrows in my arrow bag, then it stalls. it never finishes, unless the contents of my inventory change (i.e. sell something), then it finishes fine |
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| 07:27.26 | Hexarobi | whats that name again? |
| 07:27.58 | MoonWolf | monring |
| 07:28.09 | Hexarobi | i was gunna say mrplow |
| 07:32.35 | Shadowed | Well, it only took about 13 hours but the servers are back |
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| 09:08.53 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 09:13.26 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 09:15.23 | zenzelezz | morning |
| 09:16.34 | AnduinLothar | are we winning? |
| 09:24.51 | zespri | how to match +? \+ doesn't seem to work |
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| 09:33.41 | Mikk1 | zespri: %+? |
| 09:33.48 | Mikk1 | Lua uses % to escape special chars, not \ |
| 09:34.20 | Mikk1 | (escaping regexp control characters, i mean..) |
| 09:34.42 | zespri | ok let me test it =) |
| 09:35.04 | zespri | this works! cool thanks |
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| 09:36.29 | wereHamster | that the number of items creates/received is displayed in the chatframe is new, right? |
| 09:37.11 | zespri | relatively new and quite bugged =) |
| 09:37.32 | wereHamster | .. it doesn't work with bronze bars and the Felwood plants |
| 09:38.04 | Shadowed | wereHamster: easy way to fix that |
| 09:38.20 | Shadowed | You have to set Math.rand to only return a 1 because thats how blizzard figures out if it'll work out |
| 09:38.30 | Shadowed | > 1 = broken, <= 1 = works |
| 09:38.30 | wereHamster | :-P |
| 09:39.13 | zespri | so if I have either numb or numb/numb, like 50 or 12/80 can I write a regular expression that will work for both cases and return two captures. in first case it fil return 50 and nil and in the sexond case 12 and 80. Is it not possible? |
| 09:39.15 | wereHamster | can I set it to 20? |
| 09:42.03 | Shadowed | wereHamster: It'll delete your character if you do that |
| 09:48.14 | zespri | it print outs either |
| 09:48.18 | zespri | jopa dies, you gain 77 experience. (+44 exp Rested bonus) |
| 09:48.22 | zespri | or just |
| 09:48.25 | zespri | jopa dies, you gain 77 experience. |
| 09:48.52 | zespri | I want the simplest way of getting jopa, 77 and optionaly 44 |
| 09:49.56 | zespri | depending wethere you got rested bonus or not, obviously |
| 09:51.21 | Mikk1 | gfind(str, "%n+") |
| 09:51.38 | Mikk1 | oh, jopa too |
| 09:51.45 | Mikk1 | anyway, you should be looking at globalstrings.lua |
| 09:51.56 | zespri | nothing there |
| 09:52.07 | Thrae | What are we looking for? |
| 09:52.30 | Thrae | Oh, EXP messages? |
| 09:52.35 | zespri | yes |
| 09:52.54 | Mikk1 | COMBATLOG_XPGAIN_EXHAUSTION1 |
| 09:52.55 | Thrae | The rested exp addition to that message is what Blizzard calls a "trailer" |
| 09:52.55 | zespri | As I just said I want to extract this three value form the expirience message |
| 09:53.09 | Mikk1 | Actually, the whole COMBATLOG_XPGAIN shabang |
| 09:53.11 | Mikk1 | There's a LOT of them |
| 09:53.33 | zespri | oh I searcher for reste bonus |
| 09:53.41 | zespri | who could know this is %s bonus |
| 09:54.09 | zespri | but these strings don't help me much do thet? |
| 09:54.31 | Mikk1 | There's utilities that will attempt to match your current input string to these strings |
| 09:54.35 | Mikk1 | And parse out values |
| 09:54.39 | Thrae | zespri: There are two numbers in XPGAIN, do you need them or also the name of the enemy? |
| 09:55.05 | Mikk1 | Doing it that way means your AddOn works in other localizations also |
| 09:55.07 | zespri | yes, I need mob name and two number of both present otherwise only the name and the number |
| 09:55.18 | Mikk1 | zespri: And what if you're in a group or raid? |
| 09:56.14 | Thrae | zespri: You'll need to convert the string.format printf-style regexp of the GlobalStrings to a string.find Unix-style regexp |
| 09:56.43 | Mikk1 | iirc there's a library snippet that does this |
| 09:56.47 | Mikk1 | MARS somethign? |
| 09:56.50 | Thrae | There's a lib by ckknight called BabbleLib which can do it for you. |
| 09:56.55 | Mikk1 | Ah |
| 09:57.07 | ckknight | with only minimal cost! |
| 09:57.29 | Thrae | ckknight has a script which automatically promotes his addons and libs ;) |
| 09:57.46 | ckknight | actually I took Deformat out of Babble |
| 09:57.52 | ckknight | it's its own separate thing now |
| 09:58.01 | ckknight | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/Deformat |
| 09:58.07 | zespri | Mikk1, I don't care for group or raid bouns or prnalties |
| 09:58.15 | Thrae | I thought Deformat was the entire reason for Babble? |
| 09:58.57 | ckknight | no. |
| 09:59.05 | ckknight | Babble is a shitload of translations now |
| 09:59.21 | Thrae | Ah, I see. |
| 09:59.40 | Thrae | So desu ka. |
| 10:00.05 | ckknight | ping pong? |
| 10:01.47 | zespri | meh |
| 10:02.03 | zespri | for an addon that takes 5 lines the use of a library is overkill I think |
| 10:03.29 | Thrae | It's embeddable. |
| 10:03.43 | zespri | does it matter? =) |
| 10:04.09 | Thrae | Yes. Embeddable means only one instance of it exists in memory. |
| 10:04.26 | zespri | and then it will require ace and another ten libraries I guess. which are embeddable also. good for them. |
| 10:04.43 | zespri | well it doesn't matter if no other addon on the system uses them |
| 10:05.04 | ckknight | no. |
| 10:05.10 | ckknight | don't be a dick. |
| 10:05.18 | kergoth | zes, it helps to know what you're talking about before speaking. |
| 10:05.20 | kergoth | try it sometime. |
| 10:05.20 | zespri | not that I'm agains libraries or embeddable, it's just something that an addon that takes 5 lines on it's own hardly can benefit from |
| 10:05.39 | Thrae | Well your addon is going to be a lot more then 5 lines if you use GlobalStrings.lua |
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| 10:05.55 | ckknight | do what you feel like, but Deformat does a lot more than what you could do in 5 lines |
| 10:06.16 | zespri | kergoth, that's why I added 'i guess' in my language it means a degree of uncertainty, you or on other hand downright rude |
| 10:06.24 | ckknight | it has caching, properly handles %2$s, properly converts strings to numbers, etc. |
| 10:06.37 | ckknight | so, no, not 5 lines. |
| 10:07.44 | ckknight | and yes, it requires AceLibrary, which is a full versioning library. But it doesn't require anything else |
| 10:09.14 | kergoth | zespri: quite right, i am indeed rude to those who speak before they think and/or research. |
| 10:09.22 | kergoth | you're welcome to use /ignore, i certainly do |
| 10:11.04 | zespri | ckknight, 5 lines - I mean my addon is a 5 liner =) |
| 10:11.29 | ckknight | ah |
| 10:11.30 | ckknight | I see. |
| 10:11.58 | ckknight | I'm still gonna go with "use Deformat". It works with all translations |
| 10:12.21 | zespri | I'm getting the latest version off acesvn now |
| 10:25.47 | zespri | ckknight are you the author of Deformat? |
| 10:25.57 | ckknight | yes |
| 10:28.13 | zespri | I think I owe you an apology. After some thinking I realized that my sentnce could come across as derogatory, like I was saying that it;s badly written because it requires zillion libraries, of course I didn't mean that. Sorry If I hurt your feelings |
| 10:30.04 | krka | awww |
| 10:30.43 | Tuplad | -_- |
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| 10:38.13 | zespri | I think this is what I need at the end. Does it look sane? http://pastebin.ca/86862 |
| 10:44.28 | AnduinLothar | wow, VirtualPc is now free |
| 10:46.01 | zespri | I knew that there were a free "player" |
| 10:46.08 | AnduinLothar | oh. vpc for windows is free |
| 10:46.09 | zespri | is this something else? |
| 10:46.24 | AnduinLothar | OS virtualization |
| 10:46.34 | AnduinLothar | looks liek the mac version still costs $ |
| 10:47.19 | AnduinLothar | well then, nm |
| 10:47.24 | AnduinLothar | useless |
| 10:48.13 | zespri | then you probably will be able to run virtual mac os in windows =) |
| 10:49.37 | AnduinLothar | nope, it only runs windows on windows |
| 10:50.00 | zespri | I wonder how many people has write access to acesvn. there are insane amount of activity there. I did a full get like two weeks ago and now getting changes, it's already 18MB and counting |
| 10:50.22 | AnduinLothar | has anon write i believe |
| 10:50.43 | zespri | it explains this, if it's true |
| 10:51.52 | zespri | night |
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| 11:18.35 | Kaso | Not enough storage is available to process this command. |
| 11:18.43 | Kaso | Anyone know about that? |
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| 11:29.40 | [Ammo] | AceSVN has no anon write |
| 11:29.47 | [Ammo] | you have to request an account |
| 11:31.20 | clad|work | email cladhaireat gmail to get an ccount |
| 11:31.43 | Tuplad | cladhaire eat gmail to get an account ? |
| 11:40.19 | Mikma | i think clad meant: email cladhaire at gmail to get an account |
| 11:47.51 | Tuplad | aight |
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| 11:59.01 | s|loup | can nayone explain me what VertexColor is ? |
| 11:59.50 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontString_SetVertexColor |
| 11:59.53 | Mikk1 | very good explanation |
| 12:01.18 | s|loup | thx |
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| 12:30.02 | zespri|home | btw what has hapened with the book? is it being written? |
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| 12:57.55 | zenzelezz | so... /inspecting someone that's out of range gives a "blank" window... but the tooltips still show if you hover over the item slots o_O |
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| 13:11.44 | End | don't panic! |
| 13:11.46 | End | or do panic! |
| 13:11.56 | End | the choice is yours! |
| 13:28.41 | Kaso | zenzelezz: the've made it so the inspection functions only work in the "inspect range" the reason the tooltips still work is they forgot to do SetInventoryItem() |
| 13:32.34 | Kaso | Speaking of that, someone said yesterday that'd they'd made a hack to get the item tooltips by cycling through GetItemInfo, anyone know if that's been released? |
| 13:42.57 | End | I think that was Shadowed? |
| 13:53.56 | Beladona | opinions? https://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 13:54.29 | Kaso | Well that "The connection was interrupted" error page is very pretty |
| 13:54.46 | Beladona | oops |
| 13:54.52 | Beladona | for some reason I did https |
| 13:54.59 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 13:55.03 | Beladona | lol |
| 13:55.50 | End | I think it looks fairly nice |
| 13:56.03 | Beladona | I am not sure I like the whitish background for the test server releases |
| 13:56.07 | End | I like how the test pages don't seem to "stick out" as much |
| 13:56.17 | Kaso | perhaps a touch more contrast between the light grey background and the light grey text. |
| 13:56.34 | Beladona | more contrast? |
| 13:56.46 | Beladona | those are meant to be "disabled" links, so I wanted them hard to see |
| 13:57.02 | Kaso | nono i mean the standard text on the lightgrey background |
| 13:57.08 | Beladona | ahh |
| 13:57.24 | Beladona | lemme try something, one sec |
| 13:57.26 | Kaso | just a little straining on my eyes :> |
| 13:58.11 | End | anyways, it isn't -that- big a deal of what it looks like ;p |
| 13:58.32 | End | (well to me at least) |
| 13:58.38 | End | (I just want the damn changes usually) |
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| 14:01.45 | Beladona | ok how about now |
| 14:03.15 | Kaso | well, its more readable, but i was maybe thinging of keeping the font colour between light and dark at least somewhat different |
| 14:03.21 | Kaso | am i being picky :> |
| 14:03.58 | Beladona | not sure I get your meaning |
| 14:04.15 | Kaso | well at the moment light and dark have the same font colour |
| 14:04.29 | Beladona | oh you mean different colors for fonts in live or test versions |
| 14:04.36 | Kaso | yeh |
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| 14:04.54 | Kaso | just make the light font a touch darker colour than it was before |
| 14:05.36 | Beladona | how is that |
| 14:06.28 | Beladona | I am still wondering if it would be better to have a totally different color completely for live |
| 14:06.34 | Kaso | I can live this that :> |
| 14:06.36 | Beladona | blue, green, something |
| 14:06.45 | Kaso | i think it stands out quite well now |
| 14:10.03 | End | I think it looks good |
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| 14:11.37 | Beladona | ok I made one more change, take a look again and tell me what you think |
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| 14:12.33 | Kaso | good, the live stands out even better i think |
| 14:12.42 | Beladona | I hate to be so picky about colors, but colors do a lot on that site |
| 14:13.54 | Beladona | I am going to use that raised look on the other pages too |
| 14:14.04 | Beladona | for changed, removed, inserted stuff |
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| 14:20.01 | Tain | Oh wow, Grayhoof is taking MikScrollingBattleText as a direct insult. |
| 14:20.35 | [Ammo] | oh drama... |
| 14:20.43 | [Ammo] | link? :) |
| 14:20.49 | Cairenn | as long as the drama is not on WoWI |
| 14:20.53 | Tain | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5153 |
| 14:20.57 | Cairenn | >< |
| 14:20.59 | Cairenn | damnit |
| 14:21.04 | Tain | In the comments. |
| 14:21.25 | krka | drama FTW! |
| 14:22.49 | [Ammo] | WitchHunt 2.0 is linked in the comments though yay! |
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| 14:42.38 | Hexarobi | is there a way to check if a file exists? |
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| 14:47.24 | Hexarobi | right now im using PlaySoundFile and if it returns nil, i take it to mean the file doesnt exist |
| 14:47.35 | Hexarobi | but if 2 sounds are playing and i try to play a 3rd, it returns nil |
| 14:47.50 | Hexarobi | so i dont want to treat it as tho the sounds been deleted |
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| 15:14.24 | Kaso | Hexarobi why do you need to know about files? |
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| 15:16.16 | Hexarobi | i have a list of sounds |
| 15:16.25 | Hexarobi | and when you play one successfully, it adds it to the list |
| 15:16.35 | Hexarobi | if it doesnt play successfully, its removed from list |
| 15:17.00 | Hexarobi | i thought the only time it failed was if the file didnt exist |
| 15:17.15 | Hexarobi | but now it can happen if lots of people are playing sounds, or you get clicky happy |
| 15:18.50 | Kaso | theres proberly no way around that, we're not really allowed to interact with files |
| 15:19.04 | Hexarobi | harumph |
| 15:19.24 | Hexarobi | guess ill make removals a hardcoded command |
| 15:20.06 | Hexarobi | bah that means i have to figure out how to grep out the argument |
| 15:22.12 | Hexarobi | if (cmd ~= "delete (.*)") then |
| 15:22.12 | Hexarobi | SoundShare_removeSoundFromList($1); |
| 15:22.14 | Hexarobi | ? ;) |
| 15:23.16 | Kaso | Why not just put some limit on how often you can spam |
| 15:24.39 | Hexarobi | because its not a function of time |
| 15:24.49 | Hexarobi | its a function of number of sounds playing |
| 15:25.05 | Hexarobi | wow can only buffer 2 sounds at once, after that it returns nil |
| 15:25.28 | Hexarobi | maybe its sound card dependant, i can only buffer 2 |
| 15:26.02 | Hexarobi | if someone plays a long wav, then someone else plays a medium length wav while its still going |
| 15:26.11 | Hexarobi | then any other sound played will be deleted from the list |
| 15:27.04 | wereHamster | anyone here who's working on Auctioneer? |
| 15:28.03 | wereHamster | thanks |
| 15:28.09 | wereHamster | er.. |
| 15:28.24 | Cairenn | welcome |
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| 17:01.33 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is World of Warcraft Mod Dev Discussions |
| 17:01.39 | Wobin | ~wb purl |
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| 17:16.27 | Kirov | I think they need to get something more efficient than a rodent on a wheel to power their forum login server. |
| 17:17.21 | Wobin | perhaps... |
| 17:17.22 | Wobin | two. |
| 17:17.27 | Wobin | Two rodents on a wheel |
| 17:17.37 | Wobin | It will double their efficiency! |
| 17:17.41 | Kirov | Or two rodents each with their own wheel? |
| 17:17.44 | Kirov | for redundancy! |
| 17:18.26 | Wobin | Are they intelligent enough to run in serial? |
| 17:18.43 | Wobin | or will the second rodent get dragged along with the first? |
| 17:18.54 | Kirov | well, possibly _for_ cereal |
| 17:18.57 | Wobin | Could lead to horrible rodent derived acciidents |
| 17:19.17 | Wobin | *SQUEAK* =( |
| 17:19.29 | Wobin | :>x |
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| 17:34.14 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=413780 now to see if that gets more people to the EU forums! |
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| 17:38.24 | Satrina | Someone probably already linked this before I logged back in: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=413780 |
| 17:38.59 | Shadowed | it's Iriels fault |
| 17:39.06 | Satrina | teehee |
| 17:39.20 | Shadowed | Feeth = Mikk |
| 17:39.27 | Shadowed | Amarand = me |
| 17:39.47 | Satrina | I was wondering how long it'd take to make it to the US boards |
| 17:39.47 | Cairenn | not that folks in this channel would conspire or anything ;) |
| 17:40.07 | Mikk1 | whee |
| 17:40.35 | Mikk1 | ya know... what wow needs is in-game paintball |
| 17:40.41 | Satrina | The US thread should get lots of good whining |
| 17:40.59 | Mikk1 | i wonder if that's doable in a mod |
| 17:41.21 | Mikk1 | stick players in a party so you can get positioning info and have at it =P |
| 17:43.13 | Shadowed | Satrina the plan was I would post it in US forums an hour or so after Mikk1 did, but the login server was down basically all day until like 11 PM |
| 17:43.47 | Satrina | Shadowed: needs new hamsters again |
| 17:45.02 | wereHamster | hamsters? |
| 17:45.46 | Satrina | Go fix the login server! |
| 17:47.58 | Shadowed | login server broke again? |
| 17:48.03 | Kirov | aye |
| 17:48.24 | wereHamster | but it's not my fault! |
| 17:48.44 | Kirov | That's what all the hamsters say |
| 17:48.51 | Satrina | If you are here, you are definitely not running in the wheel |
| 17:49.29 | Kirov | "but I was tired" "but I was hungry" "but I haven't had water for a week" "but my foot is broken and a bone is sticking through it and I think it's got gangreen" |
| 17:49.36 | Kirov | Keep running hamster, keep running. |
| 17:51.03 | Shadowed | lol |
| 17:51.04 | wereSheep | The hamsters work in shifts.. and it wasn't my shift! Stop blaming me! |
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| 17:53.24 | Shadowed | so wrong |
| 17:54.12 | Kirov | I wonder if you can use \t in the text of SendAddOnMessage, just not the prefix |
| 17:54.57 | Mikk1 | Slouken specifically mentioned not putting it in the prefix |
| 17:55.06 | End | I wonder why |
| 17:55.19 | Mikk1 | Because he's using \t as the separator between the prefix and the message internally |
| 17:55.24 | End | ahhhh |
| 17:55.29 | Kirov | hence the 254 limit |
| 17:55.39 | End | that make sense |
| 17:55.39 | Kirov | the 255th character is the \t delimiter |
| 17:55.44 | End | yeah |
| 17:55.55 | Mikk1 | I'd assume it to be safe to use in the rest of the message |
| 17:55.55 | End | \0 is the 256th ;p |
| 17:56.09 | Mikk1 | But I still wouldn't do it for the reason I used last time: You never know when something might happen to it =) |
| 17:56.11 | End | (I would imagine at least) |
| 17:59.12 | Mikk1 | Seeing as how there's C code at the bottom, it's purdy darn likely =P |
| 18:02.08 | Legorolo | Elkano: i'm around now |
| 18:02.17 | Elkano | ok :) |
| 18:02.31 | Legorolo | if it's still relevant.. |
| 18:02.50 | Legorolo | so has the rumour made it to US? |
| 18:02.53 | Elkano | do you know my ElkBuffBar? I wonder if there is a way to disable EquipCompare for the weapon buff tooltip |
| 18:02.58 | wereSheep | is there a 255 char or 255 byte limit? |
| 18:03.08 | wereSheep | s/char/character/ |
| 18:03.17 | End | probably char |
| 18:03.22 | Legorolo | i don't know about ElkBuffBar, but EquipCompare has an API that you can use to register your action bars/buttons so that EC ignores them |
| 18:03.28 | End | er |
| 18:03.30 | End | byte |
| 18:03.36 | End | probably 255 byte |
| 18:03.43 | Legorolo | take a look in EquipCompare.lua, there are proper comments in front of the API functions |
| 18:03.46 | Kirov | Legorol - the login server hasn't been up long enough for anyone to post about it |
| 18:03.46 | Mikk1 | unless they use 16-bit numbers underneath or something like that |
| 18:03.53 | Legorolo | Kirov: lol |
| 18:04.01 | wereHamster | isn't it possible to somehow encode two ascii characters into one UTF-8 character? |
| 18:04.08 | Mikk1 | no |
| 18:04.12 | Mikk1 | the other way around |
| 18:04.14 | Legorolo | ehm.. waht are you talking about wereHamster? |
| 18:04.23 | Legorolo | there is no such thing as "UTF-8 character" |
| 18:04.36 | Legorolo | UTF-8 is an encoding mechanism for encoding Unicode characters |
| 18:05.02 | Kirov | zomg |
| 18:05.03 | wereHamster | then two ascii chars into one Unicode.. |
| 18:05.12 | Kirov | wdn _not_ in italics! |
| 18:05.15 | Kirov | I can read! |
| 18:05.15 | Legorolo | that's possible, but kinda pointless |
| 18:05.29 | End | what's the maximum byte width of a UTF-8 encoded character? 2 bytes? 4 bytes? |
| 18:05.30 | Legorolo | since you'd probably end up having to represent it using 2 bytes anyway |
| 18:05.32 | Elkano | ok, I'll look into that :) |
| 18:05.36 | Legorolo | End: 4 |
| 18:05.41 | End | ok, that's what I thought |
| 18:06.11 | Shadowed | Forum login server is back |
| 18:06.13 | wereHamster | if there is a 255 character (and not byte) limit, you could send twice as much characters.. |
| 18:06.18 | Shadowed | post while you can! |
| 18:06.24 | Legorolo | it's a byte limit |
| 18:06.26 | Legorolo | not character |
| 18:06.31 | Legorolo | or rather |
| 18:06.36 | Legorolo | from Lua's point of view, the two are the same |
| 18:06.41 | Legorolo | Lua is not aware of UTF-8 or anything like that |
| 18:06.48 | Legorolo | all strings are sequences of bytes |
| 18:07.10 | Mikk1 | Lua will also misbehave horribly if you try truncating UTF-8 encoded stuff |
| 18:07.14 | Mikk1 | I.e. the strings will break |
| 18:07.20 | Legorolo | it shouldn't |
| 18:07.25 | Mikk1 | Orly? |
| 18:07.36 | Legorolo | you sould be able to break a UTF-8 string into two |
| 18:07.39 | Legorolo | then concatenate it back |
| 18:07.42 | Mikk1 | Well yeah |
| 18:07.45 | Mikk1 | But I said truncate |
| 18:07.46 | Legorolo | because from Lua's point of view, it's a sequence of bytes |
| 18:07.49 | Legorolo | ah right |
| 18:07.55 | Legorolo | yeah you have to truncate correctly ;-) |
| 18:08.19 | Legorolo | but it won't be Lua that misbehaves, it's whatever ends up interpreting the Lua string |
| 18:08.28 | End | the limit isn't lua-side anyways |
| 18:08.32 | End | it's C-side by the seashore |
| 18:08.36 | Legorolo | lol |
| 18:08.43 | Mikk1 | Ok, rephrase, "Lua has no idea that those 2, 3 or 4 bytes really should be treated as a single character" |
| 18:08.50 | Legorolo | yah |
| 18:09.04 | End | like it is just char sendthisplz[256] |
| 18:09.08 | End | s/like/likely/ |
| 18:09.15 | End | and then it gets copied into that |
| 18:09.19 | Mikk1 | ya |
| 18:09.23 | End | and sent across the wire |
| 18:09.43 | Mikk1 | 256 bytes really is too short if you're using utf-8 |
| 18:10.08 | Legorolo | well only if you have lots of non-ascii characters |
| 18:10.12 | Mikk1 | try lithuanian |
| 18:10.15 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 18:10.19 | Mikk1 | there's little curlies on bloody every letter |
| 18:10.23 | Legorolo | or any non-latin alphabets |
| 18:10.32 | Legorolo | cyrillic comes to mind |
| 18:10.33 | End | and I think the intent is less "common" take more bytes to express |
| 18:10.49 | Kirov | Mikk - and thus there is no luthianian WoW |
| 18:10.49 | Mikk1 | End: That's where all westerners fool themselves horribly =P |
| 18:10.52 | Legorolo | well, in principle we can develop a code-page translation API |
| 18:10.54 | End | (I have no basis for that thought though :P) |
| 18:10.59 | Mikk1 | Kirov: Nope, but they sure chat in it =) |
| 18:11.04 | Kirov | hehe |
| 18:11.07 | Legorolo | convert UTF-8 into appropriate ISO codepage |
| 18:11.12 | Legorolo | then back at the other end |
| 18:11.19 | End | yeah |
| 18:11.33 | Legorolo | Content-Transfer-Encoding, anyone? :) |
| 18:12.16 | Legorolo | i think in practice it's not a big deal.. |
| 18:12.16 | Mikk1 | I mean.... there's more asian people with internet connections then there's people using the latin alphabet as a whole >.< |
| 18:12.16 | Legorolo | lol |
| 18:12.23 | Legorolo | yah Unicode is very ascii biased |
| 18:12.27 | Legorolo | but what do you expect.. |
| 18:12.30 | Mikk1 | yea =) |
| 18:12.41 | End | not all asian people use "asian" character sets all the time |
| 18:13.01 | End | although I imagine a significant protion to limit themselves to their native set |
| 18:13.05 | Legorolo | you know, most asian systems developed their 2-byte representation methods |
| 18:13.08 | Legorolo | which is perfectly sufficient |
| 18:13.15 | Mikk1 | and is the one actually used |
| 18:13.19 | Legorolo | when you encode them properly in UTF-8, it ends up 3 bytes |
| 18:13.20 | Legorolo | wasteful |
| 18:13.33 | Mikk1 | Of course, they're not compatible with eachother |
| 18:13.54 | Mikk1 | So is completely dependent on people configuring their code pages correctly |
| 18:13.58 | End | well, the idea of unicode is it is universal, and it succeeds pretty well at that |
| 18:14.12 | Legorolo | it's a pain in the butt to convert from something like JIS to UTF-8 |
| 18:14.20 | End | so if you -must- use multiple character sets in one stream, you are fine there |
| 18:14.29 | Legorolo | i do like Unicode |
| 18:14.37 | Legorolo | it's a great thign that there is finally a standard that just works |
| 18:14.40 | End | I do too |
| 18:14.41 | Legorolo | and people are actually using it |
| 18:14.56 | Legorolo | it's UTF-8 that's the problem actually |
| 18:14.58 | Mikk1 | i can't decide which I like better though |
| 18:15.03 | Mikk1 | UTF-8 or UTF-16 |
| 18:15.09 | Legorolo | yeah that's what i was thinking too |
| 18:15.23 | Mikk1 | UTF-8 is lovely insofar that you can just feed it to standard library functions |
| 18:15.24 | Legorolo | in a very multilingual environment, you might be better off with UTF-16 |
| 18:15.34 | Mikk1 | All the old code groks it |
| 18:15.40 | Legorolo | yah |
| 18:15.40 | Mikk1 | Except if you're trying to split strings |
| 18:15.45 | Mikk1 | Then things go south |
| 18:15.51 | End | the old code part the fairly nice part |
| 18:15.54 | Legorolo | but that's true for anything, including UTF-16 |
| 18:16.06 | End | yea |
| 18:16.14 | Legorolo | the only thing that'd cope with splitting easily is UTF-32 |
| 18:16.38 | Mikk1 | Yeah, but if you're using utf-16, you're pretty certain that there's no legacy functions down in the bottom of something murky that's going to destroy your strings |
| 18:16.48 | Mikk1 | But I hate re-training myself to use all the UTF-16 versions |
| 18:17.03 | Mikk1 | And there's always some conversion to 8-bit that needs to be made at some point. Always. |
| 18:17.07 | Legorolo | if only they didn't invent surrogate pairs, we'd be fine with UTF-16 |
| 18:17.23 | Legorolo | i'm actually surprised how shortsighted the first Unicode designs were |
| 18:17.32 | Legorolo | i mean, come on, they are trying to include every language/character etc. |
| 18:17.45 | Legorolo | "hmm... let's see how many bits and bytes we need... i think 2 will be enough!" |
| 18:18.05 | Mikk1 | Myeah... that's an argument for just ignoring utf-16 tbh |
| 18:18.20 | Legorolo | the person who thought of it should be shot |
| 18:18.25 | Mikk1 | go with 8 or 32. except 32 is so bloody wasteful you never want to use it so ... go with 8 =) |
| 18:18.26 | Legorolo | it's as if Y2K never happened |
| 18:18.44 | Legorolo | it's amusing that people never learn.. |
| 18:18.51 | Legorolo | i was raiding the thread about the new hidden comm. API |
| 18:18.59 | Legorolo | and people suggested registering addons |
| 18:19.09 | Legorolo | and each registered addon would get a ... |
| 18:19.13 | Legorolo | ... one byte code |
| 18:19.16 | Mikk1 | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:19.19 | Legorolo | i was like WHOAA |
| 18:19.38 | Legorolo | y2k36? |
| 18:19.40 | Legorolo | what's that one? |
| 18:19.45 | Mikk1 | When all the 32-bit second counters wrap |
| 18:20.03 | Mikk1 | Or the 1970-based ones go negative |
| 18:20.04 | Legorolo | hm, when is the starting date? |
| 18:20.13 | Mikk1 | One variant uses unsigned starting 1900 |
| 18:20.21 | Mikk1 | Another uses signed starting 1970 |
| 18:20.21 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 18:20.27 | Legorolo | i didn't even realise it's going to be an issue |
| 18:20.29 | Mikk1 | So 2036 and 2037 |
| 18:20.43 | Legorolo | the thing that always gets me though is timing your code |
| 18:20.56 | Legorolo | almost always coders use some sort of function that gets current time in milliseconds |
| 18:20.58 | End | January 2038 |
| 18:20.59 | zenzelezz | I doubt it will be an issue |
| 18:21.05 | Mikk1 | End: ah, thanks. |
| 18:21.10 | zenzelezz | by 2036 we will probably be using 64-bit or higher for everything |
| 18:21.12 | Legorolo | which is, depending on the system, going to wrap at some point |
| 18:21.14 | End | I've committed that date to memory :P |
| 18:21.21 | Mikk1 | zenzelezz: don't you think everyone said that about year 2000 back in the 70s? =) |
| 18:21.22 | Legorolo | GetTime - startime < 0 |
| 18:21.25 | Legorolo | ?? |
| 18:21.28 | Legorolo | i have seen it so often |
| 18:21.35 | Kirov | by 2036 we'll be using quantum bits |
| 18:21.46 | Legorolo | not yet, Kirov |
| 18:21.53 | Legorolo | tbh quantum computing isn't doing as well as its hyped |
| 18:21.58 | zenzelezz | Mikk1: seeing the problems that happened, no, I don't |
| 18:22.08 | Legorolo | i had this lovely problem once.. |
| 18:22.17 | End | well, 2038 is still over 30 years away |
| 18:22.19 | Legorolo | a code that was written to be run on about 20 different systems, worked fine on 19 |
| 18:22.29 | Legorolo | on the 20th system, it would give totally nonsensical timing data |
| 18:22.41 | End | considering there aren't really any computers over 30 years old still running that matter, I don't think it'll be a problem |
| 18:22.54 | Legorolo | turned out the API it was using to get the current time would return the tiem in milliseconds, from an arbitrary point, using an internal counter of the CPU |
| 18:22.57 | Mikk1 | Actually, GetTime() - prevtime compared to 0 is the sane way to do it. It's trying GetTime()>prevtime that's going to screw you over |
| 18:23.00 | Kirov | The minor issue of the fact that a a quantum bit can be both 0 and 1 at the same time, but you don't know which it is kinda' puts new definition to the "fuzzy" computing. |
| 18:23.02 | Legorolo | on most systems, the counter was 4 bytes |
| 18:23.06 | Legorolo | but on this one it was 2 |
| 18:23.12 | Legorolo | so it wrapped around pretty quickly |
| 18:23.28 | Shadowed | good news |
| 18:23.38 | Mikk1 | End: You'd be surprised at how many old IBM systems are still churning away at the bottom of large important things |
| 18:23.45 | Shadowed | got gello to post in the rumor thread |
| 18:23.49 | Mikk1 | Granted, they became rapidly fewer during 97-99 |
| 18:23.55 | Mikk1 | But there's still looooots around |
| 18:24.02 | Legorolo | Kirov: yes, but the whole point of quantum computing is to devise algorithms where you don't need to know if it's 0 or 1 ;-) |
| 18:24.11 | Kirov | random fact - the entire NY subway system is about 2-3 years from dying. |
| 18:24.13 | End | hold old is old? |
| 18:24.20 | Legorolo | Kirov: lol, why? |
| 18:24.21 | Mikk1 | 35 years |
| 18:24.23 | Mikk1 | ish |
| 18:24.51 | Mikk1 | Check out banks... airports... utilities... They all computerized early. |
| 18:24.53 | Kirov | Legorol - because it's base architecture is based on IBM computers that haven't been made in 15 years and they're running out of spare parts |
| 18:25.17 | End | Mikk1: no hardware failure? |
| 18:25.26 | Mikk1 | Check out what Kirov just said =) |
| 18:25.41 | End | heheh |
| 18:25.56 | Kirov | My dad's working on replacement hardware for them, which is how I know. |
| 18:26.13 | Kirov | They're basically replacing everything with modern computers ... emulating the old ones |
| 18:27.09 | Kirov | Means they can replace parts peice by peice with out having to kill the entire thing. |
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| 18:30.48 | Shadowed | .... |
| 18:31.16 | Shadowed | like yesterdays 12 hours wasn't enough -.- |
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| 18:31.22 | Kirov | World of Restartcraft |
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| 18:31.49 | End | World of Lagcraft |
| 18:31.55 | Legorolo | ok, the TargetUnit rumour is taking off, but... |
| 18:32.07 | Legorolo | did you guys really mean TargetUnit? |
| 18:32.21 | Legorolo | or did you mean to spread rumour about TargetByName |
| 18:32.21 | Kirov | Legorol - well, that's what makes it so evil. |
| 18:32.33 | Legorolo | because TargetUnit is relatively harmless.. |
| 18:32.37 | Kirov | They're not actually lying |
| 18:32.39 | Legorolo | it takes a unitID and not a name |
| 18:32.44 | Mikk1 | Legorolo: Arf... probably TargetByName =) |
| 18:32.58 | Legorolo | losing TargetUnit doesn't mean much |
| 18:33.11 | Kirov | or anything, in fact |
| 18:33.21 | Legorolo | well as Gello says, it does affect "mouseover" |
| 18:33.21 | Kirov | except for maybe targettarget |
| 18:33.34 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:33.34 | Legorolo | and targettarget, but that's not a big loss |
| 18:33.39 | Shadowed | Legorolo: We meant TargetByName |
| 18:33.45 | Legorolo | then you messed up :P |
| 18:33.55 | Legorolo | or rather, you should correct it somehow |
| 18:34.03 | Legorolo | "i found out more and its actually TargetByName" |
| 18:34.05 | End | ~slap Mikk1 |
| 18:34.08 | purl | ACTION slaps Mikk1, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:34.08 | Mikk1 | Wait I'll fix it |
| 18:34.08 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 18:34.17 | Legorolo | who is Feeth? |
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| 18:34.20 | End | Mikk1 is |
| 18:34.25 | Legorolo | i thought so :) |
| 18:34.34 | End | That's why Mikk1 is feethy to me now |
| 18:34.38 | Legorolo | haha |
| 18:35.09 | stryder_30 | okay, in XML fontstrings reside within layers, so if i would want to make multiple fontstrings, then I need multiple layers for each fontstring, correct? |
| 18:35.17 | End | no |
| 18:35.19 | Legorolo | nope |
| 18:35.24 | Shadowed | this is such an evil rumor |
| 18:35.26 | End | you could stick them all one on layer |
| 18:35.27 | Legorolo | you can put multiple fontstrings in a single layer |
| 18:35.31 | Legorolo | bah |
| 18:35.33 | stryder_30 | ooo.. i can? neeto |
| 18:35.34 | Legorolo | End, stop being so damn fast |
| 18:35.36 | stryder_30 | lol |
| 18:35.37 | End | and you only have a certain number of layers too |
| 18:35.44 | Mikk1 | Legorolo: Feeth is a toon I haven't played in a year because he was a level 50 warlock on a PvP server the day the honor patch came out. Aka. "Rogue snack" |
| 18:35.54 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 18:36.33 | Legorolo | fix the rumour |
| 18:37.09 | Mikk1 | It's fixed |
| 18:37.19 | Legorolo | wow, a locked thread on US UI |
| 18:37.21 | Legorolo | that's new |
| 18:37.32 | End | well, unusual |
| 18:37.35 | Kebinusan | See the second look at the rogue review: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=1337254 |
| 18:37.38 | Mikk1 | OUR thread? o.O |
| 18:37.43 | End | no |
| 18:37.45 | Mikk1 | phew |
| 18:38.04 | End | the GetInventory<Thing> thread |
| 18:38.09 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 18:38.37 | End | I think slouken usually deletes if he has to take action, but he wanted to let allow reference to the discussion for a little longer |
| 18:39.08 | End | and it probably -does- belong on suggestion forum |
| 18:39.28 | End | (I mean, the new posts probably do) |
| 18:39.29 | Legorolo | the first few pages belong on US ui |
| 18:39.32 | Legorolo | it just got out of hand |
| 18:39.36 | Legorolo | so i think a lock is more appropriate |
| 18:39.37 | End | yeah, exactly |
| 18:39.45 | End | that's exactly what I meant |
| 18:39.57 | Tain | Woah postive rogue changes |
| 18:42.08 | End | yeah, some of those changes look a lot better to me (but I'm not a rogue, so I'm hardly a good judge) |
| 18:42.28 | End | (I might not be a bad judge either though..) |
| 18:45.02 | Shadowed | sigh |
| 18:45.05 | Shadowed | 2 hour maintence on IC again |
| 18:46.31 | Kirov | Cogwheel is an angrly little gnome, isn't he |
| 18:46.37 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 18:46.49 | Legorolo | i really don't understand why people get so upset about a design change in the game, |
| 18:46.57 | Legorolo | especially when it was something that was there in the first place |
| 18:47.00 | Legorolo | and was just being exploited |
| 18:47.09 | Legorolo | there is only one exception: AT!! |
| 18:47.15 | Legorolo | gief AT now 11!11!!1one |
| 18:47.21 | Shadowed | Kirov: I'd be angry if I was a gnome too |
| 18:47.21 | End | I'd say it was a bad design decision though |
| 18:47.25 | End | in the first place |
| 18:47.33 | Legorolo | yeah that is debatable |
| 18:47.45 | Legorolo | there are advantages and disadvantages to both solutions |
| 18:47.53 | Legorolo | ok i take it back |
| 18:47.59 | Legorolo | i do understand why people get upset about design changes |
| 18:48.08 | Legorolo | let me rephrase: they shouldn't be so upset |
| 18:48.10 | End | that wasn't a design change though, it was a bugfix :P |
| 18:48.18 | wereHamster | what's AT? |
| 18:48.21 | Legorolo | well, from most players' point of view, it's a design change |
| 18:48.24 | Shadowed | AutoTravel |
| 18:48.47 | Kirov | nah |
| 18:48.56 | Legorolo | tbh, i don't think the "we just fixed a loophole" is very satisfying response |
| 18:49.05 | Legorolo | even if it's the truth |
| 18:49.10 | Kirov | from most players' point of view addons are dangerous things that might steal your credit card numbers. |
| 18:49.12 | Mikk1 | I think autotravel should be integrated in the game |
| 18:49.13 | Mikk1 | There |
| 18:49.17 | End | well, it was pretty clear to me that it wasn't doing validation in all the right places |
| 18:49.17 | Mikk1 | Nonexploitable |
| 18:49.45 | Legorolo | anyways, what the inspect distance should be is definitely an interesting debate |
| 18:49.56 | Mikk1 | If it was integrated, you wouldn't even be able to e.g. share travel routes. You'd have to actually run them manually once first. |
| 18:50.09 | Legorolo | mm, the problem is, |
| 18:50.18 | Legorolo | Blizzard doesn't like functionality that requires storing large amounts of data |
| 18:50.25 | Legorolo | and as long as its stored client side, it can always be shared |
| 18:50.26 | Kirov | I think the advantage of the existing inspect distance is so that 2% of the wow playing population aren't tempted to view gear at a distance greater than they should be able to. |
| 18:50.33 | Kirov | (ie: rpers) |
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| 18:50.42 | zenzelezz | funky... Onyxia wipe, and now the TS channel's turned into a murloc impersonation competition |
| 18:51.02 | Cairenn | oops, we caught Gello, someone should tip him off |
| 18:51.11 | Legorolo | Cairenn: the rumour is wrong |
| 18:51.14 | Legorolo | Mikk had to fix it |
| 18:51.20 | Legorolo | TargetUnit is harmless :) |
| 18:51.23 | End | well, Iriel does have a good point though: most players who have been playing a fair amount of time can good a very good idea of a persons gear just by looking from a difference |
| 18:51.31 | Shadowed | it's suppose to be TargetByName |
| 18:51.37 | Legorolo | yeah |
| 18:51.49 | End | of course, people can hide their helm and cloak :P |
| 18:51.51 | Legorolo | so no harm done to Gello |
| 18:51.52 | Legorolo | ;-) |
| 18:52.02 | Mikk1 | Legorolo: They could store it client side but encrypt it according to the account ID or something like that. That way you couldn't just copy stuff, you'd have to actually use a third-party program to extract info out of WoW (=against EULA) |
| 18:52.03 | Shadowed | That is true though, I usually can figure out hordes health/armor by looking at the actual character |
| 18:52.09 | Kirov | End - aye, I still inspect units of the opposing faction and just look at what their gear looks like. |
| 18:52.31 | Legorolo | Mikk1: we both know that won't stop people |
| 18:52.36 | Legorolo | it just makes it harder |
| 18:52.50 | Legorolo | i don't honsetly think blizz would implement anything that stores data |
| 18:52.58 | Mikk1 | Running is boooooring >.< |
| 18:53.02 | Legorolo | i agree |
| 18:53.09 | Legorolo | but actually, with chained flight paths and a mount, it's not that bad |
| 18:53.16 | Legorolo | i have gotten quite used to the lack of AT |
| 18:53.24 | Legorolo | plus windowed mode ftw |
| 18:53.29 | Legorolo | point your character, autorun |
| 18:53.29 | Mikk1 | Laptop! =) |
| 18:53.31 | End | and autorun |
| 18:53.37 | End | which is bound to middle mouse button for me |
| 18:53.43 | Legorolo | 3 minutes later, check if he is stuck on a tree |
| 18:53.45 | End | great for straight paths |
| 18:53.52 | End | lol yeah, that happens sometimes |
| 18:54.19 | Legorolo | in retrospect, AT did allow a few things that i'd consider that it shouldn't be allowed |
| 18:54.29 | Legorolo | e.g. going afk for 30 minutes and your character travelled a whole continent |
| 18:54.38 | Mikk1 | Ok, can someone clue me in as to why my AddOn is no longer loading at all, but there's nothing in FrameXML.log that's pointing at a problem? o.O |
| 18:54.41 | Shadowed | I remember spending like half the night mapping out IF for AutoTravel |
| 18:54.44 | wereHamster | Why does it take Windows so long to switch from fullscreen to desktop.. |
| 18:54.48 | wereHamster | ? |
| 18:54.59 | Legorolo | wereHamster: video card has to be reinitalised or reset to some extent, i beleive |
| 18:55.10 | Legorolo | a lot of the data in its memory needs purging/swapping whatnot |
| 18:55.17 | End | I use fullscreen windowed mode :P |
| 18:55.17 | wereHamster | switching workspaces is instant.. |
| 18:55.20 | End | which is instant |
| 18:55.26 | End | for me at least |
| 18:55.28 | Legorolo | yeah, as End said |
| 18:55.30 | Kirov | wereHamster - it's a DirectX implementation thing |
| 18:55.33 | End | although, interesting thing |
| 18:55.37 | Legorolo | ok, i was just guessing |
| 18:55.42 | AnduinLothar | someone wanna test Satellite on the german client and tell me if /script works? |
| 18:55.45 | Legorolo | Kirov, if you know more.. |
| 18:55.49 | End | running WoW in directx takes about 20-30 seconds for very first startup |
| 18:55.50 | Kirov | Legorol is correct though |
| 18:55.56 | End | opengl is 1-2 seconds for first startup |
| 18:56.14 | Legorolo | anyways, i'm off |
| 18:56.20 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Legorolo (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 18:56.35 | wereHamster | End, WoW is scanning the *whole* directory structure (openening every single file), delete the extracted interface data and it will be much faster |
| 18:56.36 | End | (like...in directx mode the window doesn't appear at all for 20-30 seconds) |
| 18:56.45 | Kirov | For DirectX to change the size of a window it has to close it's existing window, dump the data, then load the entire thing up again. |
| 18:56.47 | End | wereHamster: how is that specific to the renderer? |
| 18:57.25 | wereHamster | oh.. I didn't notice this happens only in DX mode :-/ |
| 18:57.36 | End | actually, I think it is waiting for something |
| 18:58.00 | End | because if I try to open up WoW...wait 15 seconds, do it again, then -two- will start up at the -same- time |
| 18:58.03 | Kirov | Some games just always run in windowed mode, similar to WoW's maximized window mode. |
| 18:58.25 | Kirov | But it's faster if it completely takes over the rendering instead of sitting in a window. |
| 18:58.33 | Kirov | So, most games don't go that route. |
| 18:59.07 | Kirov | Some games also work similarly to how you can change the size of the render window. |
| 18:59.27 | Kirov | The game always runs at it's max resolution, with the game being rendered in a smaller portion and cropped. |
| 18:59.37 | Kirov | Makes changing resolution a lot faster, but is wasteful. |
| 18:59.52 | Kirov | A couple of XBox games use it, not too many pc games. |
| 19:00.01 | Mikk1 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH |
| 19:00.05 | Mikk1 | <- st00pid |
| 19:00.28 | End | too many A's |
| 19:00.28 | End | please try again. |
| 19:00.29 | Mikk1 | No, I really am that stupid |
| 19:00.29 | End | no, really, please try again |
| 19:00.44 | wereHamster | I love X11's understanding of a 'fullscreen' window.. a normal window without any decoration and the same size as the desktop.. there's no delay when switching windows.. |
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| 19:25.04 | Shadowed | i even got someone to flame me for the rumor |
| 19:25.15 | Shadowed | or close to it at least |
| 19:25.46 | Kirkburn1 | I did my part, and I'm proud of it :P |
| 19:26.56 | Kirkburn1 | Pity it was such bad timing tho :/ Silly login servers ... |
| 19:27.07 | Shadowed | yeah :( |
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| 19:27.38 | Kirkburn1 | My plan for the next few days is to rediscover Diablo 2 ... can't wait :D |
| 19:28.20 | AnduinLothar | GHAAAAA fucking login servers... |
| 19:28.54 | Cogwheel | You mean i beat it again? |
| 19:29.59 | End | tin cups?!? |
| 19:30.04 | End | even paper cups would be better! |
| 19:31.21 | Cogwheel | Smoke signals? |
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| 19:32.32 | Mikk1 | ... i hate UIDropDownMenu |
| 19:32.37 | Mikk1 | I'm going to end up implementing my own |
| 19:32.57 | Elkano | DrewDrop? |
| 19:35.50 | Thrae | Mikk1: I second Dewdrop as a UI Dropdown replacement. It's VERY nice. |
| 19:35.50 | Cogwheel | WTS forum posts... 10s per line :P |
| 19:36.25 | End | don't listen to him! he's robbing you! PS: 6s per line |
| 19:36.44 | Cogwheel | 5 |
| 19:37.13 | End | 4 |
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| 19:37.29 | Thrae | Mikk1: If you don't like anything Ace, you can use Dewdrop-1.0 even |
| 19:38.17 | Cogwheel | End, what server are you on? We could start a cartel so we won't have to compete :P |
| 19:38.35 | End | heh |
| 19:38.42 | End | well, I actually -tried- posting |
| 19:39.04 | Cogwheel | I'd wave back, but i'm new at the whole irc thing ;) |
| 19:39.09 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.15 | End | yes! |
| 19:39.18 | End | my post went through! |
| 19:39.21 | End | bout damn time |
| 19:39.43 | Shadowed | /me sometext |
| 19:40.00 | End | I was about to say, I actuall -tried- posting, but it didn't work so well...but it turns out now that it is just slow |
| 19:40.26 | End | actually |
| 19:41.03 | End | <-- too silly? |
| 19:41.16 | Shadowed | ~sigh End |
| 19:41.17 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "End!" |
| 19:41.21 | End | ~slap Shadowed |
| 19:41.23 | purl | ACTION slaps Shadowed, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:41.57 | Kirov | eek, it's cogwheel |
| 19:42.14 | Kirov | How'd you get out of your cage? |
| 19:42.15 | End | eek, it's Kirov, the terror of the high seas |
| 19:42.27 | Cogwheel | The wife is at work right now |
| 19:42.28 | Cogwheel | :P |
| 19:42.38 | Cogwheel | 'course, so am i... so... |
| 19:42.52 | Kirov | http://military.szm.sk/fgaleria/kirov.jpg |
| 19:42.55 | End | I, too, am at work |
| 19:43.25 | End | I forgot that Kirov was actually a type of ship :O |
| 19:44.50 | Kirov | It's also a ballet company |
| 19:44.54 | Kirov | but, we'll skip that part |
| 19:45.10 | End | haha' |
| 19:47.44 | Kirkburn1 | Kirkburn sword: http://elf.org.ru/britiron/sword.jpg |
| 19:47.54 | Kirkburn1 | Mine's cooler :P |
| 19:47.56 | Kirov | http://musiccenter.org/images/dance56_kirov_sml.jpg - me when I'm not playing wow |
| 19:48.31 | End | haha |
| 19:48.38 | Kirkburn1 | hehe |
| 19:49.25 | Kirov | Little known fact about ballet : There are so many women in most productions that there isn't enough room for them in the dressing rooms. So, all but the stars dress on stage in the wings or in some cases behind the back curtain. |
| 19:49.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zeeg (i=zeeg@cruising.in.my.bmw545.com) |
| 19:49.48 | Kirov | Now, imagine if you will, 40 nekid women in one place. |
| 19:50.00 | Kirkburn1 | New rogue changes today |
| 19:50.12 | Kirkburn1 | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-rogue/1337254.htm |
| 19:50.28 | Kirov | There is, of course, a minor issue with this in that of those 40 women, half of them are under 12 |
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| 19:53.18 | Kirkburn | My router just restarted 4 times :( I can't log into it, cos I've forgotten the password |
| 19:53.26 | End | factory reset? |
| 19:54.02 | Kirkburn | It's an idea, but I haven't the faintest what the settings are :/ |
| 19:54.13 | Kirov | I had my router password as pizza for a while |
| 19:54.44 | zeeg | routers usually auto config themselves for the most part, unless its old |
| 19:54.44 | Kirov | Now it's an odd Star Trek: TNG reference |
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| 19:55.04 | AnduinLothar | woah, where did zeeg come from.. |
| 19:55.11 | Kirkburn | Just what I thought :P |
| 19:55.11 | zeeg | from the intraweb |
| 19:55.28 | AnduinLothar | you're not dead? |
| 19:55.31 | Kirkburn | You're now IN the web?! |
| 19:55.34 | zeeg | not yet :) |
| 19:56.01 | AnduinLothar | zeeg... did you break the wow forums.. |
| 19:56.02 | Kirov | zeeg's dead baby, zeeg's dead. |
| 19:56.13 | zeeg | nope wasnt me |
| 19:56.20 | zeeg | i dont do the wow stuff much since i left wowguru |
| 19:56.29 | AnduinLothar | uh huh |
| 19:56.45 | zeeg | i run hackwow and nibbits, and i dont really do much on those, community does, so :) |
| 19:57.35 | zeeg | does anyone know when Cairenn will be back |
| 19:57.49 | Shadowed | She was here like 10 minutes ago. |
| 19:57.53 | zeeg | :s |
| 19:58.13 | Kirkburn | She last posted 20 mins ago |
| 19:58.27 | Thrae | ~lastseen Cairenn |
| 19:58.32 | Thrae | ~seen Cairenn |
| 19:58.45 | purl | cairenn is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 7m 43s, last said: 'oops, we caught Gello, someone should tip him off'. |
| 19:58.45 | zeeg | ~seen cairenn |
| 19:58.47 | purl | cairenn is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 7m 45s, last said: 'oops, we caught Gello, someone should tip him off'. |
| 19:58.47 | End | ~since Cairenn |
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| 19:58.49 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:58.49 | End | hmmm |
| 19:58.50 | Kirov | ~seen purl |
| 19:58.51 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (2h 57m 18s) #botpark (2h 57m 18s) #linuxfund (2h 57m 18s) #wowi-lounge (2h 57m 18s) # (2h 57m 18s) #edev (2h 57m 18s) #fossfund (2h 57m 18s) #hosernet (2h 57m 18s) #classiccmp (2h 57m 18s) #creativeforum (2h 57m 18s) #ud (2h 57m 18s) #dub (2h 57m 18s) #teleconf ... |
| 19:58.52 | ckknight | Mikk1, yea, I recommend Dewdrop for you, it handles a _lot_ of issues |
| 19:58.56 | zeeg | did you guys see my zidane site? :D |
| 19:59.00 | zeeg | its going insane w/ traffic |
| 19:59.06 | Tuplad | url ? |
| 19:59.06 | Kirkburn | Link! :) |
| 19:59.10 | zeeg | ggzidane.com |
| 19:59.12 | zeeg | its going to put me into debt |
| 19:59.13 | zeeg | i think |
| 19:59.16 | Tuplad | www.ggzidane.com |
| 19:59.17 | Kirkburn | That's yours? |
| 19:59.21 | zeeg | 3 days its used like 600gb of bandwidth |
| 19:59.21 | zeeg | ya |
| 19:59.26 | zeeg | i only have 2000gb/month |
| 19:59.49 | Kirkburn | Didn't even notice the name at the bottom when I last looked |
| 19:59.57 | zeeg | :D |
| 19:59.58 | Kirkburn | Know how many visitors you've had? |
| 20:00.08 | zeeg | almost 200k unique |
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| 20:00.21 | zeeg | its pretty insane |
| 20:00.43 | Kirkburn | When did you register it |
| 20:00.49 | zeeg | like 4 minutes after it happened |
| 20:00.50 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:00.51 | Kirov | http://www.addictinggames.com/zidaneheadbuttgame.html |
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| 20:00.55 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:00.56 | zeeg | and it was up in another 10 mins :D |
| 20:01.02 | zeeg | ya they stole that game |
| 20:01.02 | zeeg | :s |
| 20:01.05 | zeeg | if its the same one |
| 20:01.21 | zeeg | i doubt he actually posted it there |
| 20:01.22 | zeeg | idk |
| 20:01.25 | AnduinLothar | omg, the game is so silly |
| 20:01.27 | zeeg | ya its the same one i have |
| 20:01.28 | zeeg | ya |
| 20:02.05 | zeeg | if what zidane said happened is true, he deserved it tho |
| 20:02.09 | Kirkburn | I've seen the non-points version |
| 20:02.12 | AnduinLothar | that looks like it hurt... right in the breastbone |
| 20:02.27 | Kirov | what did zidane say? |
| 20:02.35 | Kirkburn | "Grrr" |
| 20:02.40 | zeeg | that matarzzi was insulting his sis/mother |
| 20:02.42 | zeeg | repeatedly |
| 20:02.56 | zeeg | but no one actually knows what he materazzi said |
| 20:03.00 | zeeg | cuz he wont admit to anything :s |
| 20:03.14 | ckknight | I assumed a homosexual pass |
| 20:03.29 | ckknight | why else would he be touching his belly? |
| 20:03.30 | Kirkburn | You assume odd things |
| 20:03.38 | ckknight | actually that's what my dad told me |
| 20:03.42 | ckknight | but it makes sense |
| 20:03.55 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:03.56 | zeeg | well |
| 20:04.00 | zeeg | materazzi grabbed zidane |
| 20:04.00 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see ... Zidane was attempting to rub his belly baldie-stylee? |
| 20:04.02 | zeeg | so he couldnt get to the ball |
| 20:04.04 | zeeg | im sure just to piss him off |
| 20:04.17 | ckknight | or it's like "oh, you have a hot ass" |
| 20:04.20 | ckknight | ... headbutt! |
| 20:04.20 | zeeg | and one thing led to another :) |
| 20:04.23 | zeeg | lmao |
| 20:04.26 | zeeg | maybe that too |
| 20:04.34 | Kirkburn | Oh certainly, it occurs often in Italian footie |
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| 20:05.09 | Kirkburn | Yeah, er, what's with http://www.nukeafrica.com/ ? |
| 20:05.19 | zeeg | anyone here got a lot of experience w/ server management? |
| 20:05.26 | zeeg | Kirkburn, im gonna make a humor site |
| 20:05.29 | zeeg | and i bought the domain ages ago, just for kicks |
| 20:05.30 | zeeg | im really not racist :s |
| 20:05.35 | zeeg | even tho everyone seems to hink i am, lol |
| 20:06.00 | Shadowed | I wonder what gave them that idea! |
| 20:06.04 | zeeg | I DONT KNOW : |
| 20:06.05 | Beladona | zeeg: server management how? |
| 20:06.06 | zeeg | :[ |
| 20:06.14 | zeeg | Beladona, im curious as to how high people have pushed servers |
| 20:06.23 | zeeg | ggzidane is holding almost five hundred concurrent apache connections |
| 20:06.25 | zeeg | with .68 load |
| 20:06.39 | zeeg | im wondering how high I can i push the maxclients |
| 20:06.42 | zeeg | :) |
| 20:06.42 | Kirkburn | Mr. Strongman lift server over head! Him good! |
| 20:07.23 | zeeg | O.o |
| 20:07.47 | ckknight | zeeg, is this a quote from you? "anyone recommend some newer black people music... most people simply call it ni.. music" |
| 20:08.01 | zeeg | probably |
| 20:08.09 | zeeg | that doesnt make me racist tho :) |
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| 20:08.24 | Beladona | are you runbning just apache, or something else too like lighttpd? |
| 20:08.36 | zeeg | Beladona, just apache, w/ php/mysql currently |
| 20:08.38 | zeeg | Cairen1? |
| 20:08.48 | Kirkburn | She's three people today :P |
| 20:08.51 | Beladona | there are 3 Cairenns now |
| 20:08.59 | zeeg | ya :s |
| 20:09.01 | Kirkburn | Multiple personality syndrome |
| 20:09.07 | kergoth | eek, multiplying |
| 20:09.19 | MoonWolf | right |
| 20:09.20 | Thrae | Box'n! |
| 20:09.26 | ckknight | Kirkburn, it's Multiple Personality Disorder |
| 20:09.27 | MoonWolf | 3 cairen's is getting scary |
| 20:09.47 | Beladona | i just sent a message "Will the real slim Cairenn please stand up" |
| 20:09.55 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 20:10.24 | zeeg | ckknight, if i say "the word" i dont use it offensively as a racial gesture, in fact I have a lot of friends that are african-american :) |
| 20:10.37 | zeeg | if they said it its not racist, so why should it be when I do? |
| 20:10.47 | zeeg | thats a stereotype tbh :) |
| 20:10.59 | ckknight | you're a towel. |
| 20:11.07 | zeeg | hows that work? |
| 20:11.23 | Beladona | zeeg: back to the maxclients, honestly I would just nudge it up and watch the load. Every server is different, based on content, etc... |
| 20:11.36 | zeeg | hrm k |
| 20:11.41 | zeeg | whats the highest you've ever seen? |
| 20:11.47 | Beladona | I doubt there are any set standards or recommendations on it |
| 20:11.52 | zeeg | for me, five hundred is the highest ive ever seen but it looks like i could probably hit like 800 |
| 20:12.15 | zeeg | but i guess it all depends on how optimized the sites are |
| 20:12.20 | zeeg | my wiki sites seem like they're killing load |
| 20:12.37 | Beladona | 500 is about most I have seen too |
| 20:12.48 | zeeg | kk |
| 20:12.49 | Beladona | I am looking it up online though to see if there are any people discussing higher values |
| 20:12.55 | zeeg | alright |
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| 20:13.17 | zeeg | Hey Gryphen |
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| 20:14.06 | Kirov | Beladona - I sent you a pm on wowi |
| 20:14.13 | Kirov | of this http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wdn.jpg |
| 20:14.59 | Beladona | interesting |
| 20:15.24 | Kirov | the pixelated planet in the existing one bugs me. :p |
| 20:15.28 | zeeg | Ah Beladona idk if you are in charge of these things, i sent a msg to cairenn about it, but i recently got ahold of wowi.org. I don't need it and I only purchased it so it wouldnt end it up in the hands of one of those bulk domain purchasers. Email whoever handles that stuff at... the parent company, and tell them that I'm willing to part with it |
| 20:15.56 | Beladona | will do |
| 20:16.54 | zeeg | logo doesnt seem to really fit w/ the page design :s |
| 20:16.58 | zeeg | the inner shadow bugs me too |
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| 20:18.00 | Beladona | its a good thing the content is what matters |
| 20:18.03 | Beladona | =P |
| 20:18.21 | zinor | ya but! |
| 20:18.23 | zinor | :s |
| 20:18.24 | Beladona | I am actually doing a lot more changes than what you see there now |
| 20:18.38 | Beladona | there will be 2 main sections when I am done |
| 20:18.41 | Beladona | err 3 |
| 20:18.48 | Kirov | I like the grey color scheme though |
| 20:18.51 | Kirkburn | I will just say the grey text makes it a little hard to see the links, but it's nice and simple |
| 20:19.35 | Beladona | the index you see now, a page that lists purely the current interface files only, and a page that lists all of the global functions that are defined in the interface files (and where) |
| 20:19.42 | zeeg | i do like how some of thats setup now tho |
| 20:19.50 | Kirkburn | You don't have an explanatory note about what on earth the page is btw :P |
| 20:20.04 | Beladona | you need help figuring that out? |
| 20:20.08 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 20:20.19 | Beladona | I guess I can add something but, I figured if you went there, you knew what it was |
| 20:20.43 | Kirkburn | heh .. well, I just thought something more descriptive than "Version Database" |
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| 20:21.21 | Kirov | like what wdn stands for? |
| 20:21.36 | Beladona | will add a blurb at the top that tells people the site compares files between versions and displays those changes |
| 20:21.43 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 20:22.31 | Kirkburn | It's a very ... Cosmosy ... banner, isn't it :P |
| 20:22.54 | zeeg | haha ya it is |
| 20:22.59 | zeeg | and cosmos' site is fairly ugly |
| 20:24.14 | Beladona | well, if you guys have better ideas for graphics, send em to me. I thought it looked good (obviously) when I made it |
| 20:24.32 | Kirov | I'm just against the logo |
| 20:24.37 | Kirkburn | (I don't think it looks crap per-se, but just a little out of place with the design) |
| 20:25.01 | zeeg | i really like what the guy did with my new nibbits design |
| 20:25.09 | zeeg | it turned out fairly well i thought, except for the sidebar at least |
| 20:25.18 | Kirkburn | Obviously if we're all completely honest, none of this makes the blindest bit of difference |
| 20:25.39 | Thrae | She escaped successfully, it seems. |
| 20:25.55 | Kirkburn | She's still left two of her personalities here ... |
| 20:26.29 | Beladona | its not even a logo |
| 20:26.34 | Beladona | its just a background |
| 20:27.20 | Beladona | I actually has a logo that used the wow icon (the circled W) with a magnifying glass over it, showing syntax highlighted code. But it looked kinda weird in my initial design so I left it out |
| 20:27.27 | zeeg | hrmm |
| 20:27.30 | zeeg | wowgurus really going down hill it seems |
| 20:27.30 | zeeg | : |
| 20:27.32 | zeeg | :[ |
| 20:27.52 | AnduinLothar | zomg, it finally let me login |
| 20:28.12 | Cogwheel | yeah... i just hit refresh and there were actually some new posts! |
| 20:29.03 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.21 | Kirov | and down again |
| 20:30.55 | Kirkburn | zeeg, what's up with wowguru? |
| 20:32.08 | Kirkburn | ooh-err, it's a bit broken in IE7 :/ |
| 20:32.14 | zeeg | dk |
| 20:32.20 | zeeg | but the new webmaster doesnt seem to do anything |
| 20:32.30 | zeeg | well at least i havent seen anything changed/fixed since i left months ago |
| 20:32.54 | Kirkburn | It's not your problem any more :P |
| 20:33.04 | zeeg | i suppose :P |
| 20:33.18 | Kirov | brb restarting |
| 20:33.21 | Legorol | what was the site you guys are talking about? |
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| 20:33.29 | Legorol | ah, new wdn |
| 20:33.42 | Kirkburn | I can understand why it's frustrating though ... someone is currently maintaining one of my websites - can't bring myself to check on it |
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| 20:34.07 | zeeg | ya it slike "here keep my addon updated for me im no longer playing wow" and they turn your addon into crap :0 |
| 20:37.06 | zeeg | lol i get so much hatemail for ggzidane :s |
| 20:37.22 | zeeg | i even got people accusing me of stealing other zidane sites success when mine was the first :[ |
| 20:37.27 | AnduinLothar | says the capitolist |
| 20:37.46 | zeeg | i doubt anyone else had it online before me :) |
| 20:37.58 | Kirkburn | It would be hard :P |
| 20:38.01 | zeeg | ya it would be |
| 20:38.03 | AnduinLothar | epitome of capitolism |
| 20:38.19 | zeeg | 10 mins after it happened my site was live w/ the first gif animations of the event :P |
| 20:38.26 | Neronix | ggzidane is your site? |
| 20:38.29 | zeeg | ya |
| 20:38.38 | Kirkburn | I feel compelled to tell you it's "capitalism" =) |
| 20:39.16 | AnduinLothar | feel superior now? |
| 20:39.17 | Kirkburn | How'd you get the gif? |
| 20:39.28 | zeeg | guy who made it sent it to me |
| 20:39.34 | zeeg | the rest were all sent by visitors |
| 20:39.58 | Kirkburn | speedy |
| 20:40.35 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, you're so defensive and guarded :-P |
| 20:40.41 | ckknight | ~hug AnduinLothar |
| 20:40.43 | purl | ACTION hugs AnduinLothar |
| 20:42.27 | Neronix | hahaha |
| 20:42.39 | Neronix | Someone on the emails page is telling you to seek psychiatric help |
| 20:43.03 | Neronix | and it threatening to sue because "You're making money out of someone else's tragedy" |
| 20:43.06 | Beladona | zeeg: wowi.org? |
| 20:43.21 | zeeg | wowinterface.org |
| 20:43.29 | Beladona | ahh kk |
| 20:43.40 | zeeg | Neronix, ya, that was day 1 hatemail |
| 20:43.45 | zeeg | ive gotten about 400 other messages since then |
| 20:43.56 | ckknight | making money out of someone else's tragedy is legal. |
| 20:44.07 | zeeg | it is, but this isnt a tradegy |
| 20:44.09 | zeeg | its humorous |
| 20:44.09 | zeeg | :) |
| 20:44.09 | ckknight | look at nascar. |
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| 20:44.16 | ckknight | crash |
| 20:44.17 | Neronix | And he's not making money |
| 20:44.17 | ckknight | yay! |
| 20:44.21 | Neronix | I don't see an ad anywhere |
| 20:44.24 | zeeg | theres ads |
| 20:44.27 | zeeg | but im losing money |
| 20:44.34 | zeeg | its adsense |
| 20:44.39 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:44.47 | ckknight | if you're losing money, then put more ads? |
| 20:44.57 | ckknight | or sell shirts |
| 20:45.01 | ckknight | of the headbutt |
| 20:45.05 | ckknight | someone would buy it. |
| 20:45.08 | AnduinLothar | shirts would sell |
| 20:45.11 | ckknight | totally |
| 20:45.12 | zeeg | i was about to make shirts |
| 20:45.12 | zeeg | lol |
| 20:45.47 | zeeg | ill go try |
| 20:45.49 | Thrae | Don't you have to get Zidane's permission before selling his likeness? |
| 20:46.00 | zeeg | no |
| 20:46.05 | Neronix | Hmm, I can imagine changing chuck norris jokes to mention zidane, and roundhouse kick references to headbutts |
| 20:46.20 | Thrae | Maybe that's only in the sue-happy USA... |
| 20:46.24 | Kirkburn | This is fun: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Exuberence |
| 20:46.27 | Beladona | ok back to wdn --- anyone have preferences or ideas on what to use for the header graphic? I like the overall text style that I used, although I am open to other fonts. I mainly want ideas on the background, since the world image kinda turns people off apparently |
| 20:46.52 | Shadowed | no pink! |
| 20:46.55 | Beladona | zeeg: sent you a private msg (irc) |
| 20:46.55 | Thrae | What's WDN? WoW Developer Network? |
| 20:47.05 | Beladona | wowinterface development network |
| 20:47.27 | Kirkburn | I personally would suggest Segoe UI as the top font |
| 20:47.45 | Thrae | Ahhh, I see |
| 20:47.46 | Kirkburn | It's made for readability, and standard in Vista |
| 20:48.01 | Beladona | will mess with it |
| 20:48.11 | Kirkburn | Don't design around it though, seeing as most don't have it yet :) |
| 20:48.22 | Beladona | I can use it in graphics though |
| 20:48.36 | Beladona | and have a fallback to arial or tahoma in the css |
| 20:48.42 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 20:49.16 | Kirkburn | Or one of the new office 2007 fonts |
| 20:49.29 | Beladona | I thought Calibri was going to be the default in Vista |
| 20:50.04 | Kirkburn | Segoe is the UI font, Calibri is the long text font, I think |
| 20:50.45 | Kirkburn | Calibri is certainly the default office font and Segoe UI the default Vista UI font |
| 20:51.29 | Beladona | I do like the new office |
| 20:51.35 | Beladona | I thought I wouldn't with the ribbon bars |
| 20:51.41 | Beladona | but have been using it for a month now |
| 20:51.50 | Thrae | Didn't Blizzard update UnitBuff to return up to 32 buffs, and UnitDebuff up to 32 as well? |
| 20:51.53 | Beladona | its definitely more of a memory hog though |
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| 20:53.22 | Kirkburn | Well it's only beta 2 :P |
| 20:53.42 | Kirkburn | It's so much easier to find everything in Office 2007, I've found |
| 20:54.03 | Beladona | I am going to be testing Longhorn Server B2 next week. Can't wait to see how much better it is now |
| 20:56.23 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:56.24 | zeeg | hrm |
| 20:56.24 | zeeg | im not sure about these shirts |
| 20:56.25 | zeeg | :s |
| 20:56.31 | Kirkburn | Are you a technet member? Can't remember how 'involved' you are |
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| 20:59.21 | Shadowed | Iriel good news! the rumor is taking off a bit |
| 20:59.35 | Beladona | ok wdn updates to use Segoe UI |
| 20:59.40 | Beladona | updated* rather |
| 20:59.46 | Iriel | I noticed! |
| 21:00.07 | zeeg | hrm |
| 21:00.09 | Beladona | Kirkburn: yes am technet member |
| 21:00.33 | Iriel | Can I make a suggestion? |
| 21:00.39 | Beladona | sure |
| 21:00.40 | Kirkburn | You get to try out the new Vista betas then, don't you :( |
| 21:00.44 | Beladona | aye |
| 21:00.46 | Iriel | Make clickable text a different color than non-clickable text? |
| 21:00.59 | Abenadi | question - does your combat log tell you when a friendly begins casting a spell like fireball? or is that only for dueling etc |
| 21:01.31 | Beladona | what about a dotted underline or something? |
| 21:01.32 | Kirkburn | I like |
| 21:01.34 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wdn2.jpg |
| 21:01.53 | Beladona | nice |
| 21:01.57 | Iriel | That'll work, ANY kind of visual differentiator |
| 21:02.06 | Kirkburn | Doesn't seem to be using Segoe UI here :/ |
| 21:02.20 | Beladona | try a hard refresh |
| 21:02.24 | Iriel | I dont really like the grey/white, but it's better than pink and blue |
| 21:02.25 | Beladona | might be using a cached css |
| 21:02.36 | Kirkburn | Am :/ |
| 21:02.53 | Beladona | font is using "Segoe UI", "Trebushet MS", Verdana, Tahoma in taht order |
| 21:03.06 | Kirkburn | Ooh, drunk Trebuchet |
| 21:03.16 | Beladona | that too |
| 21:03.22 | Beladona | Trebushit |
| 21:03.36 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:03.40 | Beladona | does everyone like that graphic Kirov just linked? |
| 21:03.56 | Kirkburn | I do, very Leonardo da Vinci |
| 21:04.38 | Beladona | Kirov, do you happen to have it without the text over the image on the right? |
| 21:04.53 | Beladona | so I can make a background |
| 21:05.00 | Kirov | Yeah, it's just photoshop layers |
| 21:05.26 | Kirov | let me pull that peice out |
| 21:05.49 | Thrae | I don't suppose anyone knows if the strings returned by UnitDebuff's third return (debuffType) are localized or not? |
| 21:05.53 | AnduinLothar | Beladona> we ever gonna get a way to see more than 10 addons on our Author Interfaces page? |
| 21:06.00 | Thrae | Actually, I'm pretty sure they're not localized. |
| 21:06.01 | Kirkburn | Bela, h2, h3, h4 still use font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; |
| 21:06.31 | Beladona | oh |
| 21:06.34 | Beladona | doh missed that |
| 21:06.39 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 21:07.01 | Kirkburn | Exploring websites is fun |
| 21:07.13 | zeeg | hrm |
| 21:07.16 | zeeg | cant find a large resolution zidane pic |
| 21:07.29 | Beladona | fixed |
| 21:07.47 | Kirkburn | All of them? :) It wasn't just h2 h3 h4 ... |
| 21:07.47 | Cogwheel | CSS really needs named constants /sigh |
| 21:08.09 | Iriel | I'm pretty sure they're not localized either |
| 21:08.20 | Thrae | Nope, they aren't. |
| 21:08.21 | Kirkburn | Top text is now Segoe UI ... don't think the table is |
| 21:08.37 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wdn2back.jpg |
| 21:09.00 | Beladona | now it is |
| 21:09.04 | Kirkburn | Indeed :P |
| 21:09.18 | Thrae | Iriel: Wait, a spell's tooltip says "Magic", "Disease", etc. -- is this an internal localization not open to Lua? |
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| 21:09.28 | Kirkburn | Now where's out dotted underlines? :) |
| 21:09.30 | Iriel | Thrae : My guess is 'yes' |
| 21:09.36 | Iriel | Thrae : I have not experimented |
| 21:09.38 | Beladona | working on it |
| 21:09.40 | Beladona | one thing at a time lol |
| 21:09.43 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:10.05 | Beladona | spring cleaning at wdn, a few months late 0.o |
| 21:10.29 | Kirkburn | Not if you're Australian |
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| 21:16.21 | zeeg | ah well gtg, ciao |
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| 21:21.54 | Kirov | Beladona - are you going to add back in the 1 pixel line on the left and the slight drop shadow on the right? |
| 21:22.15 | Kirkburn1 | I like it without the lines |
| 21:22.31 | Kirkburn1 | It's not completely centred for me atm though |
| 21:23.02 | Kirov | I'm going to match the greyed out image with the background better, since that's what it looks like it's trying to do righ tnow |
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| 21:24.10 | Kirkburn1 | Since 1.1.2 more than 15,000 lines of code have been added |
| 21:25.00 | Kirkburn1 | (I just noticed, that's exactly 10 patches difference) |
| 21:26.38 | Beladona | Kirov: I took the dropshadows off |
| 21:26.50 | Kirkburn1 | eww, thick black border now |
| 21:27.02 | Kirov | yeah, too thick |
| 21:27.03 | Kirkburn1 | =B |
| 21:27.17 | Beladona | 1pixel better? |
| 21:27.35 | Kirov | yeah - http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wdn2back2.jpg slight change |
| 21:27.55 | Kirov | color matched to the background |
| 21:28.25 | Beladona | I changed my background to match yours anyway |
| 21:28.29 | Kirkburn1 | Perfectionist :P |
| 21:28.41 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:29.18 | Kirkburn1 | Since you've added the border at the top and bottom, why not give it a few pixels of margin :) |
| 21:29.19 | Beladona | I am still grappling with the 100% height issue |
| 21:29.38 | Kirkburn1 | Good to see we're on the same wavelength |
| 21:29.40 | Beladona | if I could get it to always be 100% height, I wouldn't have those borders at top and bottom |
| 21:29.58 | Kirkburn1 | Why can't you just define a left and right border? |
| 21:29.59 | Beladona | click through to the details of a change |
| 21:30.06 | Beladona | you will see what I mean |
| 21:30.16 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=11125464&ct=lcompare&rid=5 |
| 21:31.05 | Beladona | but yeah, may as well add a margin top and bottom since I can't get it to span |
| 21:31.17 | Kirkburn1 | ah, I see |
| 21:31.24 | Kirov | my graphic seems to be pushing everything down a bit |
| 21:32.29 | Kirkburn1 | You've already got a 0.1px bottom margin (gotta love browser shift, woot) |
| 21:32.51 | Beladona | yeah did that so that the scroll bar was always there (to defat shifting) |
| 21:32.55 | Beladona | defeat |
| 21:33.02 | Kirkburn1 | Silly scrollbars |
| 21:33.15 | Kirkburn1 | Why isn't there a way of defining when they appear :( |
| 21:33.17 | Beladona | Kirov you graphic is set as a background image on the div, so it isn't pushing anywthing |
| 21:33.28 | Kirov | k |
| 21:33.32 | Beladona | I have a set padding for that spacing |
| 21:33.45 | Beladona | why does the content start lower than you want? |
| 21:34.03 | Kirov | I don't like being able to see the photo fade out compeltely |
| 21:34.09 | Beladona | ahh |
| 21:34.20 | Kirov | in my mock up I was using the tables to hide it |
| 21:34.41 | Kirkburn1 | Sheesh :/ |
| 21:34.54 | Kirov | hey, I'm picky |
| 21:35.03 | Beladona | better? |
| 21:35.03 | Kirkburn1 | For me the table is offset, I notice, to line up with the title? |
| 21:35.06 | Kirov | there's good |
| 21:35.40 | Kirkburn1 | I think it makes the title too close now :/ |
| 21:35.46 | Beladona | Kirkburn: not really. I just tried to center it in the div |
| 21:36.02 | Kirov | kirkburn - to the main text at the top? |
| 21:36.18 | Beladona | I may end up moving it again anyway. I plan to have section links somewhere at the top for the 2 new sections I am adding |
| 21:36.21 | Kirkburn1 | Bit that says Version database is about 5 px from the title |
| 21:36.38 | Kirkburn1 | What are these new sections? |
| 21:36.55 | Beladona | a section that always shows the latest list of files on live |
| 21:37.02 | Beladona | for direct linking on other sites |
| 21:37.15 | Kirkburn1 | Useful! |
| 21:37.29 | Beladona | example: wowwiki can link to a file, and not worry about the link needing to be changed when there is an update |
| 21:37.46 | Beladona | and also a section that lists all functions that are defined in the interface files, and where |
| 21:38.14 | Kirkburn1 | woot |
| 21:38.24 | Beladona | 2 features that people requested |
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| 21:38.57 | Beladona | Kirkburn: what browser are you using? in mine the "Version Database" is more than 5 pixels down from the title |
| 21:39.01 | Kirkburn1 | So where's the intro text, eh? ;) ... I think I'll go away for a while so you can actually *do* stuff unpestered |
| 21:39.05 | Kirkburn1 | IE7 |
| 21:39.05 | Beladona | in both IE and Firefox |
| 21:39.09 | Beladona | hmm |
| 21:39.16 | Kirkburn1 | B3 |
| 21:39.21 | Beladona | same here |
| 21:39.23 | Kirkburn1 | I'll check FF, 2 secs |
| 21:39.38 | Beladona | guess I have to tell IE to use a different padding |
| 21:39.42 | Beladona | those bastiges |
| 21:39.52 | Kirkburn1 | Yeah, it's a bit lower in FF |
| 21:40.48 | Beladona | might be able to put the padding elsewhere to make it look the same in both, but I gotta go home, so let me work on it there =P |
| 21:41.23 | Kirkburn1 | FF and IE probably have different default paddings for heading text |
| 21:41.59 | Kirkburn1 | They treat line bars completely differently, I've found ... IE treats it as text, FF as an object |
| 21:46.11 | Beladona | got them pretty close |
| 21:46.18 | Beladona | they use different margin sizes |
| 21:46.27 | Beladona | still gotta fix the padding issue though |
| 21:46.30 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wdn2back3.jpg |
| 21:46.54 | Kirov | moved the side image down to appease Kirkburns spacing issues |
| 21:46.56 | Cogwheel | I always manually set padding and margins on P & H# elements... it makes everything so much simpler. |
| 21:49.39 | Beladona | be back shortly |
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| 21:51.13 | Kirkburn1 | Cogwheel, yeah, it's a good idea |
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| 21:51.30 | Kirkburn1 | Saves later headaches :) |
| 21:51.50 | Cogwheel | But then there's internet explorer... |
| 21:52.21 | Kirov | internet exploder has some nice bits to it, but mostly it's crap |
| 21:53.15 | Cogwheel | I'm currently working on an XHTML strict rewrite of the website here at work... IE makes me fight really strong urges to use tables again. |
| 21:55.20 | Kirkburn1 | Kirov, I assume you've not tried IE7? |
| 21:55.34 | Shadowed | IE7 has some annoying Javascript issues still |
| 21:55.35 | Kirov | Kirkburn - nope |
| 21:55.44 | Kirov | Firefox user now for some time |
| 21:55.54 | Shadowed | None of the sites seem to actually be able to position the boxes right for like mousing over an item |
| 21:56.01 | Kirkburn1 | Got nothing against that ... IE7 is a massive improvement over IE6 however |
| 21:56.16 | Kirov | Yeah, I've seen |
| 21:56.27 | Kirkburn1 | It's not got a lot of 'new' coding stuff yet though, that'll be in the next release |
| 21:56.43 | Kirkburn1 | IE7 is mostly bug-fixing |
| 21:56.58 | Kirov | and tabs, no? |
| 21:57.07 | Kirkburn1 | Indeed, lovely tabs |
| 21:57.21 | Cogwheel | Is the forum login back up? a bunch of "need help plz" threads are popping up again |
| 21:57.27 | Kirkburn1 | (better than FF 1.5's, zomg, did I say that? ;) |
| 21:57.53 | Shadowed | BURN HIM! |
| 21:58.03 | Kirov | I haven't tried ie7's tabs yet |
| 21:58.21 | Cogwheel | I've been testing FF2 (called 1.8 beta right now i think)... It has a close box on each tab :) |
| 21:58.51 | Kirkburn1 | haha |
| 21:59.03 | Kirkburn1 | I know, Cogwheel, just like IE7 :P |
| 21:59.05 | Kirov | I use mouse gestures, no need for a close button |
| 21:59.19 | Cogwheel | 'course Oprah's been that way for a looooong time |
| 21:59.29 | Kirkburn1 | IE7's tabs are v good, they added reordering them in B3 |
| 21:59.46 | Kirkburn1 | Oprah Winfrey has a browser? :P |
| 22:00.00 | Cogwheel | ;) |
| 22:00.44 | Kirkburn1 | There's still one major bug in IE7 still though, really hope it's fixed |
| 22:01.13 | Cogwheel | I'd probably be using it right now but it's font rendering is crap... Helvetica on windows is rendered as Fixedsys |
| 22:01.19 | Kirkburn1 | It can completely mess up the anti-aliasing in some situations |
| 22:01.19 | Cogwheel | (opera, that is) |
| 22:02.18 | Kirov | if I have to run ie these days, I just open up an IE Tab in firefox |
| 22:02.36 | Kirkburn1 | Sand Troll info is now up (told you it would be) http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/troll/sandtrolls.html |
| 22:05.01 | Iriel | There's at least one difference between IE and FF when it comes to padding where they differ in terms of whether it goes inside or outside a bounding box, wish I could remember the exact detail |
| 22:05.23 | Mikk1 | Erhm. Padding goes inside according to spec. |
| 22:05.25 | Mikk1 | Margin outside. |
| 22:05.38 | Mikk1 | I know FF does this. If IE doesn't, it's being utterly st00pid. |
| 22:06.15 | Mikk1 | (No reason to have padding vs margin if you're going to treat it the same anyway) |
| 22:06.17 | Iriel | I seem to recall this was a wierd ambiguity in the spec, but i'm damned if I can recall the problem |
| 22:06.22 | Kirkburn1 | IE is fine with it |
| 22:06.27 | Iriel | it was more subtle than that |
| 22:06.36 | Kirkburn1 | (from that descrip) |
| 22:06.51 | Kirkburn1 | I know the thing you mean Iriel, it's more subtle |
| 22:06.58 | Cogwheel | IE6 was bad... i think they fixed the box model in ie7 though... |
| 22:07.06 | Iriel | You end up having to introduce an extra container to fix it |
| 22:07.15 | AnduinLothar | css is a nice concept... in implementation the differenced between browsers is nightmarish for anything semi-complicated.. |
| 22:07.38 | Iriel | The CSS folks didn't bother to fix horizontal alignment properly though, so I hate it for that |
| 22:07.42 | AnduinLothar | least that's what i've found |
| 22:08.03 | Iriel | but if you're just worrying about vertical placement it's really nice |
| 22:08.04 | Cogwheel | it's getting much better. Plus, there's plenty of well-documented hacks :P |
| 22:08.05 | Mikma | any new servers on paid transfer list? |
| 22:08.07 | Mikk1 | Aye. They should have published torture test scripts along with expected results. But being what they are, they just say "no, that's not design, that's implementation, we don't worry about that". |
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| 22:08.43 | Mikk1 | On another note... how do you get hold of opers on this network? #opers? |
| 22:08.46 | zeeg | (00:08:12) —› can't join #wowi-lounge (auth'ed only (+r))! |
| 22:08.46 | Cogwheel | I think the one thing CSS should have that it doesn't is named constants. |
| 22:08.47 | zeeg | O.o |
| 22:08.49 | Kirkburn1 | Ooh, I've yet to try the Acid test in B3 |
| 22:09.09 | Cogwheel | it's not that great |
| 22:09.14 | Cogwheel | much better than ie6 though |
| 22:09.25 | AnduinLothar | only thing i really have to use css for is layered alignment and javascript swaps |
| 22:09.26 | Kirkburn1 | I've got to work out how to code this design which will be fun :P http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chig8hd.jpg |
| 22:09.28 | Cogwheel | (as if I had to mention it) |
| 22:09.35 | AnduinLothar | otherwise i just get headaches |
| 22:10.04 | Cogwheel | Heh.. you want headaches? Try reworking a website in fully semantic, strict XHTML :S |
| 22:10.13 | Iriel | I think the orange bit on the top right is the only partial headache |
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| 22:10.18 | Iriel | On Kirkburn1's |
| 22:10.19 | AnduinLothar | someone should start over and write a GOOD web language |
| 22:10.23 | Kirkburn1 | Now that's odd ... wrong picture |
| 22:10.26 | Iriel | PostScript! |
| 22:10.31 | AnduinLothar | there you go |
| 22:10.35 | AnduinLothar | i'll use that |
| 22:10.37 | Kirkburn1 | I'll put up the right one :P |
| 22:10.49 | AnduinLothar | or maybe latex |
| 22:10.52 | Mikk1 | Postscript is based on a language of pure evil. |
| 22:11.00 | Iriel | How dare you malign forth |
| 22:11.05 | esp|Syn | Hrm, why isnt the wow Who list in the frameXML? |
| 22:11.15 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:11.27 | Iriel | esp|Syn | Because you're looking in the wrong place? |
| 22:11.28 | AnduinLothar | LOL |
| 22:11.34 | Iriel | esp|Syn | FriendsFrame.xml |
| 22:11.37 | Cogwheel | Stop that! I'm at work.... |
| 22:12.06 | Kirkburn1 | Correct pic: http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chig7dj.jpg |
| 22:12.08 | AnduinLothar | i was dying laughing yesterday and my roomies were lookign at me funny |
| 22:12.14 | esp|Syn | cheers Iriel |
| 22:12.57 | Iriel | Kirkburn1 : Same comment - the top right reddish orange bit is the only one that will be painful, unless you know it has a fixed pixel width. |
| 22:13.40 | Legorol | Mikk1: i posted in your TargetUnit thread ;-) |
| 22:13.43 | Kirkburn1 | I'm not sure how I'm going to implement it atm ... but it will likely be fixed |
| 22:14.03 | Mikk1 | Legorol: whoot =) |
| 22:14.53 | Tem | Kirkburn1, what language is that? |
| 22:15.03 | Kirkburn1 | Google Lorem Ipsum |
| 22:15.17 | Mikk1 | It's babble latin |
| 22:15.26 | Legorol | i have to say the thread title ("question") is a bit inconspicuous |
| 22:15.29 | Kirkburn1 | Been in use since the 1500s, apparently :) |
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| 22:15.41 | Legorol | something like "zomg, PvP nerf!!" or something might have been more appropriate ;-) |
| 22:15.48 | Kirkburn1 | He can still change it :P |
| 22:15.48 | Mikk1 | Legorol: That was the point. We just wanted it on the EU forums to reference it in the US forums. |
| 22:15.57 | Legorol | hehe |
| 22:16.01 | Mikk1 | The US one has the "omg!" topic =) |
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| 22:16.20 | Legorol | who in here is Amarandd |
| 22:16.26 | Legorol | own up! |
| 22:16.48 | Kirkburn1 | (about the orange thing, I think I'll do fixed width margins, and I will know how far down the page it will appear, so I can just layer it. Hopefully) |
| 22:17.02 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Shadowed |
| 22:17.21 | zespri_work | . |
| 22:17.23 | Legorol | Iriel, what's making you so sad today |
| 22:17.37 | Mery | already july the 17th here, yay! |
| 22:17.42 | Legorol | lol |
| 22:17.49 | Mery | 14th* |
| 22:18.10 | Legorol | Iriel, something for you to munch on: slouken clarified a few details of SendAddonMessage, i posted them on here |
| 22:18.10 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=412845&p=1&tmp=1#post412845 |
| 22:18.11 | zespri_work | what a coincedence |
| 22:20.49 | Kirkburn1 | Don't cut off your options Iriel, there might be a worse day =) |
| 22:21.38 | Iriel | At least tomorrow has things to look forward to, all I have to look forward to tonight is doing laundry. |
| 22:21.48 | AnduinLothar | so... what's up with chatlog? i cant get it to work |
| 22:22.13 | Iriel | You mean /chatlog ? |
| 22:22.15 | Cide | hey Iriel, you're a hunter, right? |
| 22:22.17 | Kirov | brb |
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| 22:22.24 | Iriel | The L60 Iriel is, yes |
| 22:22.25 | AnduinLothar | oh nm |
| 22:22.33 | AnduinLothar | have to log out for it to write to disk |
| 22:22.34 | Beladona | alo |
| 22:22.45 | Legorol | i always find that question odd... "you are class X" |
| 22:22.47 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Yes, or wait a very long time (it's extensively buffered) |
| 22:22.49 | AnduinLothar | reloadui doesn't do it |
| 22:22.52 | Cide | weird question - do you recall if Scare Beast has had its cooldown changed at some point? |
| 22:23.01 | End | Legorol is class Zebra |
| 22:23.05 | Iriel | Cide: I think i've used Scare Beast twice, ever. |
| 22:23.10 | Iriel | Cide: So I have no idea. |
| 22:23.13 | Legorol | it's very useful in PvP! |
| 22:23.20 | Cide | Iriel: haha, alright. thanks anyways |
| 22:23.23 | AnduinLothar | <-- class Pinecone |
| 22:23.29 | Thrae | You guys must have never faced a PvP Druid! |
| 22:23.38 | End | AnduinLothar, could be worse, you could be class pineapple |
| 22:23.40 | Iriel | My PvP Iriels are mages. |
| 22:23.43 | Legorol | don't tell me it works on shifted druids? |
| 22:23.47 | Cogwheel | Hehe yep |
| 22:23.51 | Iriel | it better work on shifted druids |
| 22:23.51 | End | it works on shifted druids |
| 22:23.54 | End | it has a cast time though |
| 22:23.57 | Legorol | zomg, that just makes the druid vs. hunter matchup even worse |
| 22:24.03 | End | so you can shift out before the cast finishes :P |
| 22:24.05 | Legorol | i can totally win against druids as it is |
| 22:24.08 | Legorol | and i didn't even know that |
| 22:24.16 | Thrae | http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/articles/706/706390p1.html <-- OMG PvP DRUID! |
| 22:25.05 | Shadowed | haha |
| 22:25.09 | Legorol | lol |
| 22:25.21 | End | lol |
| 22:25.27 | Thrae | <3 Flintlocke |
| 22:26.43 | Kirkburn1 | must. find. diablo 2. |
| 22:26.47 | Iriel | I think it'd be awesome if we could TAME shifted druids. |
| 22:26.52 | AnduinLothar | lolz |
| 22:27.36 | Shadowed | lol |
| 22:27.39 | Kirkburn1 | Why must gamespy and the like has such awful urls |
| 22:27.44 | Kirkburn1 | *have |
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| 22:28.15 | AnduinLothar | avoid spoofing |
| 22:29.10 | Kirkburn1 | how so? |
| 22:29.26 | Kirov | spoofing/ |
| 22:29.30 | Kirov | ? |
| 22:29.34 | Shadowed | uk.pc.gamespy.com |
| 22:31.35 | esp|Syn | gah :( i wish i knew xml |
| 22:31.55 | esp|Syn | i wana make a pretty form for my addon.. but i cant do anything but a box :( |
| 22:32.34 | Kirov | esp|Syn - it's not so much that you wish you knew xml, it's that you wish you know how WoW derives it's frames from the xml. |
| 22:33.11 | esp|Syn | a grasp of how xml works wouldnt go a miss tho |
| 22:34.18 | Kirov | here's xml in a nutshell |
| 22:34.18 | Kirov | <Object property="value"> |
| 22:34.18 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.18 | Kirov | </Object> |
| 22:34.26 | Kirov | You have now learned all there is to know about xml |
| 22:34.46 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 22:34.52 | Kirov | Rejoice in your new found knowledge |
| 22:34.54 | Kirkburn1 | Kirov's xml is useless :P |
| 22:34.59 | Cogwheel | <Element attribute="value"> |
| 22:35.13 | Cogwheel | :P |
| 22:35.16 | Kirov | Cogwheel - hehe |
| 22:35.23 | Kirov | Actually I did miss one thing |
| 22:35.30 | Cogwheel | doctype? |
| 22:35.33 | Kirkburn1 | Where's my D2 cd, eh? |
| 22:35.37 | Kirkburn1 | Eh?! |
| 22:35.42 | Kirov | <!-- comment --> |
| 22:35.43 | zeeg | xml is useless, until its put to use :) |
| 22:35.51 | Beladona | you should get Titan Quest |
| 22:36.02 | zeeg | Beladona, is that pretty good? |
| 22:36.10 | Beladona | it is awesome |
| 22:36.11 | Kirkburn1 | Not amazing, from what I've heard |
| 22:36.15 | Kirkburn1 | :D |
| 22:36.19 | Beladona | its D2, but modern |
| 22:36.34 | zeeg | im addicted to rise of legends |
| 22:36.46 | esp|Syn | i play wow... |
| 22:36.53 | Kirkburn1 | PCG gave it mid 60s, PCF gave it high 70s afaik |
| 22:36.54 | AnduinLothar | onbe of my roomie's playing titan quest |
| 22:36.54 | Kirov | #1 reason I could never go back to IE from firefox - AdBlock |
| 22:37.03 | Beladona | the people that I have heard that say it isn't amazing - are the people that said they think it sucks because the online play isn't open, and you can't access your characters files (they are encrypted) |
| 22:37.05 | zeeg | adblock just hurts sites : |
| 22:37.07 | Beladona | in other words, they can't cheat |
| 22:37.07 | zeeg | :[ |
| 22:37.10 | Beladona | waaaah |
| 22:37.15 | zeeg | ads are up so people can run their sites :s |
| 22:37.26 | Kirkburn1 | I'll have to go with zeeg here |
| 22:37.27 | Kirov | zeeg - I hide them so they still get hits, I just don't have to see them |
| 22:37.39 | zeeg | Kirov, a lot of ads are based off clicks |
| 22:37.42 | esp|Syn | Christ TV is full of shit nowerdays |
| 22:37.45 | zeeg | aka, if they dont click, they get no money :s |
| 22:37.51 | zeeg | can you imagine if there was an adblock button for tv? |
| 22:37.52 | Kirov | zeeg - I never click them anyways. |
| 22:37.55 | AnduinLothar | most in fact |
| 22:38.02 | Kirkburn1 | Yes, but people with adblock might |
| 22:38.02 | Kirov | zeeg - Yes, it's called TiVo |
| 22:38.05 | zeeg | ya most are |
| 22:38.13 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 22:38.20 | esp|Syn | replace all adverts with free porn |
| 22:38.28 | snurre | screw tv |
| 22:38.33 | snurre | torrents > tv |
| 22:38.40 | zeeg | i wonder if theres a way to detect adblock |
| 22:38.51 | snurre | doubt it |
| 22:38.54 | esp|Syn | tv = realtime / torrents = not |
| 22:38.57 | Kirkburn1 | haha "Screw TV" sounds rather appropriate |
| 22:38.59 | zeeg | i bet i could come up w/ something, that if a user is using adblock, redirects them every 1 in 10 times or something to a page with a big ad :P |
| 22:39.04 | snurre | it passively rejects downloading blocked url's |
| 22:39.38 | snurre | Kirkburn1: wishful thinking :p |
| 22:39.41 | Cogwheel | I think i heard of some servers verifying whether you download the ad or not and block you from viewing the rest of the site if you don't |
| 22:39.53 | End | I just adblock flash ads or really annoying ads |
| 22:39.54 | zeeg | otherwise you could just mod_rewrite all ads into some similar fashion as your site's content and if they adblocked ads theyd basically adblock your entire site :) |
| 22:40.04 | zeeg | End, ya thats not bad |
| 22:40.11 | zeeg | some people just block them all... because they can |
| 22:40.21 | End | well, I pretty much tune the rest out :P |
| 22:40.23 | Thrae | Adblock + Adblock Filterset.G + Flashblock extensions for Firefox work really well for me, never had a problem. |
| 22:40.25 | snurre | i block what fucks up my browsing |
| 22:40.40 | esp|Syn | dont suppose anyone wants to make a clone of the who frame? :D |
| 22:40.44 | End | although, I have followed a few interesting ads in the past, usually I just don't notice |
| 22:41.13 | zeeg | http://www.ggzidane.com/gallery/zidane100.gif |
| 22:41.15 | zeeg | new images :D |
| 22:41.22 | zeeg | http://www.ggzidane.com/gallery/zidane101.jpg |
| 22:41.33 | zeeg | zidane kind of reminds me of brad pitt |
| 22:41.35 | zeeg | at least in the last pic |
| 22:41.37 | zeeg | :P |
| 22:41.41 | Kirkburn1 | haha |
| 22:41.49 | AnduinLothar | someone should figure out how to make people aware of their product only if there is a possibility they might actually paye for it.. |
| 22:42.00 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, thats what targeted ads are |
| 22:42.03 | zeeg | like adsense for example |
| 22:42.10 | AnduinLothar | that's what they're sposed to be |
| 22:42.12 | zeeg | its about as good as you can do |
| 22:42.15 | AnduinLothar | but not what they are |
| 22:42.17 | zeeg | their system isnt perfect tho, ya |
| 22:42.26 | End | adsense kinda works at least |
| 22:42.29 | zeeg | but it shows gold ads, on wow sites , for example |
| 22:42.35 | zeeg | which really is the target audience |
| 22:42.51 | esp|Syn | thats a no then yea :( |
| 22:43.18 | zeeg | probably :p |
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| 22:45.18 | esp|Syn | brb |
| 22:46.44 | zeeg | man im tired :s |
| 22:47.20 | AnduinLothar | there's a diff between a target audience and someone who might actually be interested in paying for a good or service.. that's the gap that needs to be closed |
| 22:47.34 | AnduinLothar | how to get it to them is the easy part |
| 22:47.41 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, but thats not really possible :) |
| 22:47.47 | AnduinLothar | yet |
| 22:47.51 | zeeg | without lsome advanced spyware type stuff :) |
| 22:48.01 | Kirov | Well, depends on the target audience |
| 22:48.02 | Cogwheel | Or mind reading for that matter |
| 22:48.03 | AnduinLothar | they call it spyware now.. |
| 22:48.15 | AnduinLothar | give it a decade ;) |
| 22:48.39 | Cogwheel | My wife has been working on my mind reading abilities for almost 5 years to no avail |
| 22:48.49 | Cogwheel | ;) |
| 22:49.01 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:49.27 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, in a decade it will be called required :) |
| 22:49.31 | Kirov | I expect spyware to become commonplace by 1984 |
| 22:49.36 | AnduinLothar | getting the oppositte sex to sell a product isn't a bad scheme, but it works better if you know your exact audience |
| 22:49.37 | zeeg | because, oh noes, the terrorists |
| 22:49.57 | AnduinLothar | some like it hot, some like it intelegent |
| 22:50.02 | AnduinLothar | some like it conservative |
| 22:50.33 | zeeg | tbh i think everyone likes it hot ;) |
| 22:50.51 | Kirov | some like hot, intelegent conservatives |
| 22:50.58 | AnduinLothar | liking it and feeling it's worth shellign out $ for are 2 diff things |
| 22:51.24 | zeeg | :) |
| 22:51.28 | AnduinLothar | anyway. i'm out to a pool party! |
| 22:51.43 | AnduinLothar | feel liek a kid again |
| 22:51.45 | AnduinLothar | wait.. |
| 22:51.46 | zeeg | ciao :) |
| 22:58.33 | zeeg | i think its time for zeeg to zzz |
| 22:58.36 | zeeg | later |
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| 23:15.15 | Kirkburn | zomg! http://www.hlfallout.net/viewnews.php/8702/ |
| 23:15.49 | Tain | bah that link failed |
| 23:15.56 | Tain | I thought it was about a Fallout game |
| 23:16.23 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:16.33 | Kirkburn | Still, great news |
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| 23:20.54 | Kirkburn | "And hey, Half-Life 2: Ep 2 wlil ship for Xbox 360 and PS3 simultaneously with the PC. The console games will basically include all of the HL2 back content, so you'll get everything on there that you can get on the PC." |
| 23:21.11 | Kirkburn | Sounds cool |
| 23:21.41 | Beladona | TF2? isn't it kinda late in the game? It was innovative a long time ago, but nowadays in a world with things like Battlefield 2, and such - I don't see it being "special" |
| 23:22.08 | Kirkburn | Copied from the blog: "TEAM FORTRESS 2. WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? Hey, they're still making it! It's got a totally exaggerated, crazy art style now. Looks a little like Spy vs. Spy or No One Lives Forever, kind of a '60s spy feel. It's going to be the included multiplayer mode in Episode 2! Class-based, etc. You know the drill. Great news for shooter fans. We all thought this game was dead years ago." |
| 23:22.12 | Beladona | I remember playing the original TF, and waiting forever for TF2 before it was hailed as vaporware |
| 23:22.17 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:22.20 | Shadowed | TF2 will always remain fun |
| 23:22.23 | Shadowed | it's a classic! |
| 23:22.33 | Beladona | you mean TF |
| 23:22.34 | Kirkburn | If it really does have the NOLF style though, I'm seriously excited |
| 23:22.42 | Shadowed | yeah TF |
| 23:22.45 | Beladona | TF2 isn't a classic if it isn't even out yet |
| 23:22.48 | Beladona | hehe |
| 23:22.51 | Kirkburn | I really really want another NOLF :( |
| 23:22.55 | Shadowed | this is the internet, logic isn't used |
| 23:23.16 | Beladona | they really did have great ideas too |
| 23:23.31 | Beladona | its a shame they won't be the first to bat with them now |
| 23:23.44 | Beladona | example: the commander feature, that is now commonplace in BF2 |
| 23:23.53 | Kirkburn | Who knows, it may have new stuff :) |
| 23:24.08 | Beladona | probably |
| 23:24.14 | Beladona | I still play BF2 a lot |
| 23:25.11 | Kirkburn | I reckon EA must have paid lots for that presentation |
| 23:25.26 | Kirkburn | (seeing as VALVe don't have a strong relationship with EA) |
| 23:31.10 | Cogwheel | They need to put a UI & Macros forum on the beta forums |
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| 23:39.34 | Kirkburn | Lol, I love Top Gear ... they're looking at a engine powered ... kayak! |
| 23:46.21 | Kirkburn | Well, a jet-powered kayak does look fun to say the least |
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| 23:59.49 | yammygirlcoding | good evening people! |
