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| 00:02.06 | Kirkburn | Wonder if I'll be able to sleep tonight :P I spent like 4-5:30am trying to get to sleep, then just gave up :/ I have absolutely no idea when/how I get to sleep normally - it's really annoying :P |
| 00:03.39 | Kirkburn | Bah |
| 00:06.14 | AnduinLothar | expect errors |
| 00:08.17 | MentalPower | anyone happen to know why http://wow.pastecode.com/1600 doesn't work (with the example at the bottom)? |
| 00:09.39 | MentalPower | but it does work if I replace the "§" with " " |
| 00:10.15 | Mikk | humm why all the juggling with the gfind parameters? |
| 00:10.32 | MentalPower | what do you mean? |
| 00:13.39 | Mikk | hm nm i see what you're doing |
| 00:15.32 | Mikk | ok i know now |
| 00:15.40 | Mikk | it's because § isn't standard ascii |
| 00:15.54 | MentalPower | great... |
| 00:15.55 | Mikk | so it becomes a two-byte sequence |
| 00:16.03 | Kirov | %$ |
| 00:16.22 | Kirov | %§ rather |
| 00:16.26 | Kirov | try that instead of § alone |
| 00:16.34 | Mikk | won't help |
| 00:16.39 | Mikk | he has that in the script already |
| 00:16.53 | AnduinLothar | you dont need to convert s's in SendAddanMessage |
| 00:17.23 | Mikk | how about people look at the code first? =) |
| 00:17.27 | Mikk | it's a string splitting function |
| 00:17.33 | Mikk | that fails to work when the separator is § |
| 00:17.40 | Kirov | that requires too much through |
| 00:17.51 | Mikk | and the reason is it becomes UTF-8 encoded as two bytes |
| 00:17.54 | AnduinLothar | yeah, cant open broswer |
| 00:17.59 | Mikk | haha |
| 00:19.02 | AnduinLothar | who uses § anyway |
| 00:19.05 | Mikk | (Note that this is the New Me. Two years ago I'd have been screaming about bloody bloatware) |
| 00:19.30 | MentalPower | I chose UTF-8 chars since blizz doesn't use them in their descriptions :) |
| 00:19.33 | Mikk | AnduinLothar: I believe that was MentalPower's whole idea. Using a character that noone uses as separator. |
| 00:19.55 | Kirov | could use \t |
| 00:19.58 | Mikk | No |
| 00:20.05 | Kirov | since slouken is using that too, hehe |
| 00:20.16 | Mikk | And who knows when it might get used for something else |
| 00:20.44 | AnduinLothar | use \008 |
| 00:21.05 | Mikk | Arf |
| 00:21.25 | MentalPower | before I start changing my separators, any way tochange that function to accept UTF-8 chars as separators? |
| 00:21.44 | Mikk | the problem is that Lua doesn't know what the hell UTF-8 is |
| 00:21.48 | Mikk | It's just two bytes to Lua |
| 00:22.02 | Mikk | So if you write a function that accepts e.g. "ZX" as separator, you're home free. |
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| 00:25.30 | MentalPower | what if I told you that the author of the function is out of touch, and my regexp is extremely bad |
| 00:26.21 | cladhaire | whats the problem? |
| 00:26.33 | cladhaire | i hear desperation |
| 00:26.40 | MentalPower | anyone happen to know why http://wow.pastecode.com/1600 doesn't work (with the example at the bottom)? |
| 00:26.49 | MentalPower | that wasmy original message |
| 00:27.40 | MentalPower | but Mikk diagnosed it as a two byte separator (what I'm trying to use) versus a one byte separator (what the function was written for) |
| 00:27.45 | Legorol|alt | hello folks |
| 00:27.53 | MentalPower | hey Legorol|alt |
| 00:28.08 | MentalPower | bye Legorol|alt |
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| 00:30.10 | Mikk | MentalPower: hint: forget about string.gfind to solve multibyte separators. just use string.find from the previous position and cut the strings out with string.sub |
| 00:30.31 | Mikk | that way you can also flag the search as PLAIN and avoid the whole regex escaping problem |
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| 00:35.01 | Legorol | since i finally got onto the PTR, i was just going through the internal API changes |
| 00:35.05 | Legorol | some very interesting new functions: |
| 00:35.16 | Kirov | do tell |
| 00:35.17 | Legorol | paste warning |
| 00:35.18 | Legorol | > CloseLottery |
| 00:35.18 | Legorol | > GetJackpotAmount |
| 00:35.18 | Legorol | > GetLastLotteryNumbers |
| 00:35.18 | Legorol | > GetLotteryPrizeInfo |
| 00:35.18 | Legorol | > GetMoneyPrizes |
| 00:35.20 | Legorol | > GetNextDrawTime |
| 00:35.22 | Legorol | > GetNumLotteryPrizes |
| 00:35.24 | Legorol | > GetNumPastDrawResults |
| 00:35.26 | Legorol | > GetPastDrawResult |
| 00:35.26 | Mikk | O.O |
| 00:35.32 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:35.34 | Legorol | i have no idea what these do.. |
| 00:35.42 | Legorol | but let's reverse engineer them :) |
| 00:35.52 | Kirov | And now we see why Blizzard banned casinos |
| 00:35.55 | Legorol | hehe |
| 00:35.57 | Kirov | They were working on their own. |
| 00:36.09 | Legorol | actually they banned them because casinos were causing a lot of headache for players and support |
| 00:36.28 | Legorol | they caused spam, scam etc. |
| 00:36.43 | Legorol | and GMs were petitioned from people who got scammed |
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| 00:38.33 | Legorol | btw, if anyone else can get on the PTR.. could you see if you can change your video settings? |
| 00:39.45 | Legorol | whenever i turn on all shaders, animation shaders, vertical sync, etc. the game turns them off again |
| 00:39.50 | Legorol | as if it is reverting to some default |
| 00:40.23 | Legorol | it seems to remember settings in the top half of the video settings dialog, it's forgetting Shader and Miscellaneous settings |
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| 00:45.30 | cladhaire | Legorol: I can't patch up.. it let me connect earlier with 0.11.0 |
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| 00:48.26 | Mikk | OAAAARGH GIFV CONTINUE STATEMENT IN LUA |
| 00:49.14 | Mikk | ooo. an evil idea is forming. |
| 00:49.27 | Mikk | as long as i never need to break the loop, i can put another loop inside it and break out of it |
| 00:49.39 | Mikk | this is going to look wonky >.< |
| 00:52.56 | Legorol | cladhaire: weird |
| 00:54.22 | Shadowed | btw, i hate you guys for talking about interesting stuff while i'm raiding :( |
| 00:55.03 | Kirov | mwahaha |
| 00:55.11 | Mikk | There's at least four people here that can fix that problem for you. |
| 00:55.32 | Mikk | And I don't mean by muting the channel =) |
| 00:55.41 | Shadowed | Legorol: Do you know if blizzard ever removed TRADE_REQUEST and TRADE_REQUEST_CANCEL? They still have mentioned of it in the LUA files but it's never used |
| 00:56.45 | cladhaire | Legorol: Aye. I'll try to patch again after this. |
| 00:57.13 | Kirov | cladhaire - you get the error when you try to install the PTR patch too? |
| 00:57.42 | Kirov | the non descript "an error has occured"? |
| 00:57.51 | Shadowed | Delete "WoWTest" folder |
| 00:57.54 | Shadowed | then try again |
| 00:57.58 | Kirov | I did |
| 00:58.23 | Kirov | In fact, it worked when I had the WoWTest folder, but it tried to download 1.11 when I ran it. |
| 00:58.41 | Shadowed | k have to focus or GL yells at me, back in a few hours |
| 00:59.13 | Mikk | roll a warlock. can raid blindfolded. |
| 00:59.21 | Shadowed | Mikk: Not during Thaddius |
| 00:59.59 | Shadowed | watch the curse video, you'll see why :p |
| 01:00.12 | Shadowed | anyway, afk |
| 01:00.53 | Kirov | bbiab |
| 01:16.44 | cladhaire | can anyone meet me on PVE US PTR? |
| 01:20.37 | Legorol | cladhaire: i possibly could |
| 01:20.41 | Legorol | i don't have copied char though |
| 01:21.40 | cladhaire | Legorol: I just wanna test the raid UI, see if its still loading prior to addons |
| 01:21.46 | Legorol | sure |
| 01:21.52 | cladhaire | still patching tho |
| 01:21.58 | Legorol | let me know when |
| 01:22.04 | cladhaire | will do |
| 01:22.06 | Legorol | i'll be logged in as Legorol, PVE US PTR |
| 01:22.07 | Legorol | which faction? |
| 01:22.21 | cladhaire | i could do either |
| 01:22.25 | cladhaire | alliance if you dont mind. |
| 01:22.28 | Legorol | sure |
| 01:22.33 | Legorol | pick race/class and i'll make one |
| 01:22.46 | cladhaire | be a female gnome warrior |
| 01:22.52 | Legorol | i didn't say sex ;-) |
| 01:23.17 | Legorol | lucky for you, i was going to pick female for gnome |
| 01:23.33 | Legorol | in that case, i'll be called Legola |
| 01:23.39 | cladhaire | So, I just got the following spam mail, using this as the "hook": 'Of course I do,' said Hermione at once. 'But more than that, I want to be properly trained in defence because: because:" she took a great breath and finished, 'because Lord Voldemort is back.' |
| 01:26.03 | Wobin | rofl |
| 01:26.03 | Wobin | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5419944823518404383 |
| 01:26.03 | Wobin | nsfw |
| 01:27.06 | Legorol | i hope it has violence and nudity.. |
| 01:28.04 | cladhaire | Legorol: All set =) |
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| 01:30.15 | cladhaire | Legorol: Ping =) |
| 01:30.27 | Legorol | pong |
| 01:34.13 | Legorol | lol cladhaire, when you quit, i got DC too |
| 01:34.16 | Legorol | now i can't get back in |
| 01:34.35 | Legorol | or maybe server is down |
| 01:34.41 | Legorol | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2732340693187022309 |
| 01:34.49 | Legorol | work safe alternative for Wobin's link :) |
| 01:35.41 | Mikma | ouch :D |
| 01:36.07 | Legorol | indeed |
| 01:36.13 | Legorol | that guy's dead |
| 01:36.36 | Mikma | or, pinned ;) |
| 01:36.36 | Wobin | >< |
| 01:36.46 | Wobin | ... |
| 01:36.49 | Wobin | >< |
| 01:36.55 | cladhaire | Legorol: I can't get in either |
| 01:36.56 | Legorol | cladhaire: i'm back in |
| 01:37.07 | Legorol | server's definitely wonky |
| 01:37.14 | Legorol | i was almost in Kharanos, and i'm rolled back to start area |
| 01:37.26 | cladhaire | ha |
| 01:37.28 | cladhaire | i'll be back in a second |
| 01:37.33 | cladhaire | grabbing some info from live quick |
| 01:38.04 | Legorol | just run both in parallel :) |
| 01:38.17 | Legorol | that's what i do.. |
| 01:38.23 | cladhaire | my computer wouldn't be happy with that too much =) |
| 01:38.29 | Legorol | hehe |
| 01:38.30 | cladhaire | waiting for the mac pro =0 |
| 01:38.40 | Legorol | best part about PTR: i can be queued up for WSG on PTR, and grind on live |
| 01:38.40 | cladhaire | it'll be my first upgrade in 5 years or so |
| 01:39.05 | Legorol | luckily i got my first hand-customised PC 3 years ago |
| 01:39.15 | Legorol | at the time i made it very good |
| 01:39.19 | Legorol | and it's good enough today still |
| 01:39.38 | cladhaire | mine's not shabby |
| 01:39.42 | cladhaire | and its handling this better than I thought =) |
| 01:40.48 | cladhaire | Ok |
| 01:40.52 | cladhaire | I'm not in a raid on live |
| 01:41.32 | cladhaire | the RaidFrame_LoadUI() is being called from FrameXMl\RaidFrame.lua:36 |
| 01:41.34 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:41.55 | Legorol | DCd again :/ |
| 01:42.00 | cladhaire | damn |
| 01:42.09 | Mikk | I'm pretty sure I've seen a variation of the bowling ball guy where he just kicks it |
| 01:42.13 | Legorol | yay, slouken fixed the toc utf-8 issue as soon as he saw my post |
| 01:42.17 | Legorol | that guy is great |
| 01:42.35 | Legorol | Mikk: although not lethal, still ouch |
| 01:42.40 | Mikk | idd =) |
| 01:42.44 | Legorol | idd? |
| 01:42.47 | Mikk | indeed |
| 01:43.20 | Mikk | pardon, gotten used to shortening it like that in guild >.< |
| 01:44.42 | Legorol | US forum login down? |
| 01:46.10 | cladhaire | Hrm |
| 01:47.08 | cladhaire | So this just makes MiniBlizzRaid more important. |
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| 01:47.15 | cladhaire | but I need to get in touch with Slouken to fix this |
| 01:47.32 | Legorol | yay for constant DCs! |
| 01:47.57 | Legorol | cladhaire: multiple threads with slouken, blizz and swearwords in the title, in all caps possibly |
| 01:48.02 | Legorol | bumped at 5 minute intervals |
| 01:48.05 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:48.10 | cladhaire | only if you help bump:P |
| 01:48.19 | Legorol | i'm more than happy to stealth-bump |
| 01:48.26 | Legorol | or hip-bump as Cairenn|afk would sya |
| 01:48.37 | Mikk | AL has been teaching Lego ugly tricks |
| 01:48.46 | Legorol | yup |
| 01:49.02 | Legorol | cladhaire, tbh i'm giving up for now |
| 01:49.09 | Legorol | i can get on for maybe 30 seconds every 5 minutes |
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| 01:49.17 | Legorol | if the server relaxes a bit, i'll be on again |
| 01:49.37 | cladhaire | Legorol: I think we're okay |
| 01:49.40 | cladhaire | the behavior is the same |
| 01:49.43 | cladhaire | and the same issue. |
| 01:50.06 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:50.08 | cladhaire | if ( event == "RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE" ) then |
| 01:50.08 | cladhaire | RaidFrame_LoadUI(); |
| 01:50.08 | cladhaire | RaidFrame_Update(); |
| 01:50.08 | cladhaire | end |
| 01:50.17 | Legorol | right |
| 01:51.07 | cladhaire | that triggers at some point from the FrameXML. Why RRU is firing when we're not in a raid, I dunno =) |
| 01:52.22 | Cide | someone mentioned that it fires right after PEW now |
| 01:52.29 | Cide | regardless of whether you're in a raid or not |
| 01:52.31 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 01:52.37 | cladhaire | MBR stops the nastiness from loading |
| 01:52.40 | cladhaire | but its a problem |
| 01:52.46 | Cide | supposedly to fix the 'not-triggering-when-in-a-raid-when-logging-in' |
| 01:52.56 | Cide | problem |
| 01:54.24 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 01:54.30 | cladhaire | there's gotta be a better answer =) |
| 01:54.40 | cladhaire | i.e. cur the RaidFrame_LoadUI() out of RR_U, or make it conditional. |
| 01:56.19 | cladhaire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=416391 |
| 01:59.05 | cladhaire | zomg hi Cairenn |
| 01:59.07 | cladhaire | *lick* |
| 01:59.10 | Cairenn | hello |
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| 02:01.14 | esp|Syn | 5on5 | low mid | ServON |
| 02:01.18 | esp|Syn | oops |
| 02:01.20 | esp|Syn | omg |
| 02:01.22 | esp|Syn | wrong chan |
| 02:07.16 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 02:08.03 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 02:08.32 | MentalPower | evening Esamynn |
| 02:08.37 | Esamynn | oops, brb, going to switch comps |
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| 02:11.29 | Esamynn | there we go, much better |
| 02:11.45 | Esamynn | how goes it MentalPower? |
| 02:12.02 | MentalPower | so far so good |
| 02:12.11 | Cairenn | evening Esamynn |
| 02:12.14 | MentalPower | I saw your posts in our boards |
| 02:12.21 | MentalPower | needless tosay Iwasamused |
| 02:12.45 | Esamynn | yah, I think I upset him with my initial comment, I was probably a little too terse |
| 02:15.53 | Esamynn | did you see the link that really got him going before it got removed? |
| 02:17.55 | Cairenn | people in this channel terse? perish the thought |
| 02:19.11 | Esamynn | no never, nuh uh |
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| 02:19.33 | Esamynn | sigh, forum loging servers are down again |
| 02:19.38 | Cairenn | aye |
| 02:20.39 | Esamynn | hmm, I'm seeing double MentalPower |
| 02:21.08 | MentalPower___ | yeah |
| 02:22.30 | MentalPower___ | muahahaha |
| 02:22.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:22.54 | Esamynn | how far back do I need to repeat myself? ;) |
| 02:23.33 | MentalPower | <Cairenn>people in this channel terse? perish the thought |
| 02:23.38 | MentalPower | that was the last thing I saw |
| 02:23.47 | MentalPower | router reset its DHCP leases |
| 02:24.02 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 02:24.08 | Cairenn | (22:19:00) ***Esamynn chuckles |
| 02:24.08 | Cairenn | (22:19:05) Esamynn: no never, nuh uh |
| 02:24.08 | Cairenn | (22:19:23) MentalPower___ [n=MentalPo@host-70-45-86-28.onelinkpr.net] entered the room. |
| 02:24.08 | Cairenn | (22:19:27) Esamynn: sigh, forum loging servers are down again |
| 02:24.08 | Cairenn | (22:19:32) Cairenn: aye |
| 02:24.09 | Cairenn | (22:20:33) Esamynn: hmm, I'm seeing double MentalPower |
| 02:24.11 | Cairenn | (22:21:03) MentalPower___: yeah |
| 02:24.27 | MentalPower | thanks cair :) |
| 02:24.36 | Cairenn | sure |
| 02:24.58 | MentalPower | anywho, Esamynn to answer your question I didn't see the link |
| 02:28.20 | Esamynn | oh well, doesn't matter |
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| 02:30.34 | Esamynn | out of curiosity, did you gasp the point he was getting at any better than I did? |
| 02:32.17 | MentalPower | all I gathered was that he wanted us to change from using a simple table, to emulating a type of table called a graph |
| 02:34.11 | Esamynn | yah, which never made any sense to me, ahh well |
| 02:40.23 | MentalPower | ok, I've beenstaring at this function for the past hour and I still don't know even where to start fixing it |
| 02:43.19 | MentalPower | http://wow.pastecode.com/1600 |
| 02:43.32 | MentalPower | I need tomake this function accept a two byte separator |
| 02:43.36 | MentalPower | butI'm stumped |
| 02:44.48 | Kirov | Curious, what happens if you remove the %s |
| 02:45.06 | MentalPower | %s? |
| 02:45.26 | MentalPower | theres no %s in that code |
| 02:45.30 | Kirov | I'm going to mess with it |
| 02:45.35 | Kirov | "%"s |
| 02:46.06 | Kirov | I'm not at work anymore so I can actually stare at snippets of lua for long periods of time with out getting in trouble |
| 02:46.28 | AnduinLothar | split is silly. use gfind |
| 02:47.11 | MentalPower | erm... that function does use gfind |
| 02:47.15 | AnduinLothar | getnext = string.gfind(text, "(.*)"..at); |
| 02:47.37 | AnduinLothar | actually |
| 02:48.08 | AnduinLothar | getnext = string.gfind(text, "(.*)"..at.."?"); |
| 02:48.10 | AnduinLothar | i think |
| 02:50.15 | AnduinLothar | nope, not that |
| 02:52.20 | Esamynn | what exactly are you trying to do here, you want to use two characters as a delimiter in a string? |
| 02:52.24 | AnduinLothar | "([^,]*)"..at.."?" |
| 02:52.42 | AnduinLothar | actually, that'll only work for 1char |
| 02:53.17 | Kirov | What he wants to do is use § as a delimiter in a string, but for lua, § is two bytes |
| 02:53.32 | AnduinLothar | meh, use \008 |
| 02:53.36 | Kirov | hence the issue |
| 02:54.12 | Kirov | what is \008 |
| 02:54.22 | MentalPower | its the bell symbol |
| 02:54.35 | Esamynn | why do you assume that you'll need the '%' operator, why not use a gsub to only insert it ahead of the regex special symbols? |
| 02:54.58 | AnduinLothar | doesn't matter, you can't use two char sequence in between [] |
| 02:55.04 | AnduinLothar | it'll use or |
| 02:55.11 | Esamynn | ahh, I see |
| 03:01.19 | Esamynn | what are the bytes that make up §? |
| 03:01.40 | MentalPower | I honestly don't know |
| 03:02.08 | AnduinLothar | why are you using that anyway? |
| 03:02.09 | MentalPower | the SavedVariables output is just that same char |
| 03:02.25 | MentalPower | because I'm using more than one separator |
| 03:02.40 | MentalPower | § isjust the one that I chose as an exaple |
| 03:02.56 | AnduinLothar | why not pick 1char sepperators? |
| 03:02.57 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 03:03.04 | AnduinLothar | or use sepperate variables in a table |
| 03:03.28 | MentalPower | separate variables in a table = bad for GC |
| 03:03.42 | MentalPower | 1char separators are prone tobe found in the wild |
| 03:03.55 | AnduinLothar | parsing is bad for clock cycles |
| 03:04.18 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 03:04.24 | AnduinLothar | and brain cell |
| 03:04.31 | Esamynn | :P |
| 03:04.39 | esp|Syn | sex is bad for you |
| 03:05.50 | Esamynn | ok, here's a silly question, why not tack your seperator onto the end of the string you are searching and then use string.gfind(str, '([^'..at..']*)('..at..')') |
| 03:06.38 | Esamynn | or better yet string.gfind(str, '([^'..at..']*)'..at) and dump the 2nd capture altogeather |
| 03:07.43 | MentalPower | will the function still do what it does currently with onechar separators? |
| 03:08.05 | MentalPower | and what do you mean by "tack your seperator onto the end of the string you are searching" |
| 03:08.06 | Esamynn | just a sec, let me post a revision |
| 03:11.45 | Esamynn | I believe http://wow.pastecode.com/1603 will do what you want, although it's just a theory |
| 03:13.57 | MentalPower | testing |
| 03:17.07 | AnduinLothar | [^'..at..']* wont work |
| 03:18.16 | MentalPower | yeah |
| 03:18.18 | MentalPower | empty table |
| 03:18.39 | MentalPower | and the "at" variable is changed to "%" before the string.gfind |
| 03:20.13 | AnduinLothar | local at = "34" |
| 03:20.14 | AnduinLothar | local str ="12345673425" |
| 03:20.14 | AnduinLothar | str = str..at |
| 03:20.14 | AnduinLothar | for meh in string.gfind(str, '(.-)'..at) do |
| 03:20.14 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.15 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 03:20.25 | AnduinLothar | ther you go |
| 03:21.21 | Esamynn | http://wow.pastecode.com/1604 works for your example anyways |
| 03:21.33 | Esamynn | there were some bugs in the original |
| 03:25.36 | MentalPower | woot! |
| 03:25.43 | MentalPower | thanks Esamynn |
| 03:27.23 | Esamynn | http://wow.pastecode.com/1606 works for both the examples at the bottom |
| 03:27.53 | Esamynn | the string.gsub handles the possibility of a regex control character being used as a seperator |
| 03:28.41 | Cairenn | oh I am *soooo* about to lose power here! |
| 03:28.50 | Esamynn | storm? |
| 03:28.56 | Cairenn | huge |
| 03:29.03 | Cairenn | if I disappear, that's why |
| 03:31.06 | esp|Syn | i planet is fucked |
| 03:31.09 | esp|Syn | our* |
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| 03:31.23 | esp|Syn | :O part |
| 03:31.28 | esp|Syn | not quit PART! |
| 03:31.35 | esp|Syn | its all a plot to kill me ! |
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| 03:34.12 | esp|Syn | YOUR ONE OF THEM! |
| 03:34.47 | Vallerius|SH | whatnow? |
| 03:35.36 | esp|Syn | i have some advice for you |
| 03:35.47 | esp|Syn | never sit naked on a leather chair. in hot weather |
| 03:36.10 | Vallerius|SH | noted. |
| 03:37.16 | Vallerius|SH | on a more relative note, anyone had a chance to play with the new world pvp stuff yet? |
| 03:37.42 | Legorol | no but would love to.. |
| 03:38.28 | Vallerius|SH | it's pretty busted so far. POIs appear and disappear seemingly at random in EPL, and the announcements in silithus throw chatframe errors |
| 03:39.24 | Shadowed | lol |
| 03:39.28 | Shadowed | sounds awesome |
| 03:39.50 | Vallerius|SH | i was trying to gather some info for my pvp mod, but it doesn't look like that's happening tonight |
| 03:39.52 | Shadowed | I have a feeling i'll be up all night playing and getting the PTR BG/World PVP stuff down though |
| 03:40.07 | Shadowed | oh, vallerius from battlefield commander :p |
| 03:40.12 | Vallerius|SH | indeed :D |
| 03:40.23 | Shadowed | was trying to figure out what you planned on making then realized that |
| 03:41.07 | Vallerius|SH | i rearchitected the whole mod last night, basically rebuilt it from the ground up |
| 03:41.27 | Vallerius|SH | going to have some sexy stuff for 1.12 |
| 03:41.38 | Shadowed | nice |
| 03:41.52 | Shadowed | I've got to redo SSPVP at some point, keep putting it off since it'll take forever |
| 03:42.38 | Vallerius|SH | oh man... just took a look at your SSPVP mod |
| 03:42.48 | Vallerius|SH | it does exactly what i'm trying to integrate into BFC at the moment |
| 03:43.17 | Esamynn | back later |
| 03:44.59 | Shadowed | Vallerius|SH sec |
| 03:45.45 | Shadowed | what are you trying to integrate to BFC? |
| 03:46.29 | Vallerius|SH | the big new feature for 1.12 is per-zone plugins that will do things like flag carriers in gulch, timers and ab and av, etc |
| 03:46.39 | Shadowed | ahhh yeah |
| 03:47.03 | Shadowed | it'll show class color or tag in 1.7 and probably pulled off to a seperate plugin |
| 03:48.31 | Vallerius|SH | nice. just scraping the scoreboard? |
| 03:48.37 | MentalPower | Legorol! I require your insight into WoW's GameTooltips :) |
| 03:48.52 | MentalPower | hmm... require is too demanding |
| 03:48.58 | MentalPower | request sounds better |
| 03:49.17 | Shadowed | Vallerius|SH: it basically requests the scores every 30 seconds and keeps a list of player name, class, ect and uses that |
| 03:51.36 | Vallerius|SH | Shadowed: yeah, basically what i'd planned. i was hoping there was a more elegant way |
| 03:52.12 | Shadowed | Nope |
| 03:52.27 | Shadowed | RequestBattlefieldScoreData();, wait for the update and reschedule. can't do much besides that :( |
| 03:52.38 | Vallerius|SH | bleh. |
| 03:53.09 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 03:54.23 | Vallerius|SH | actually... might be a better way. just do an update whenever someone joins the battle |
| 03:54.36 | Vallerius|SH | they're not changing class mid-battle or anything :p |
| 03:54.54 | Shadowed | Vallerius|SH: That doesn't update it for the horde side. |
| 03:55.13 | Shadowed | well the enemy side |
| 03:55.15 | Vallerius|SH | hrmm. |
| 03:55.59 | Shadowed | You pretty much have to do an update every X seconds because you have no way of knowing when horde join the battle. |
| 03:56.07 | Shadowed | well I take that back |
| 03:56.17 | Shadowed | Technically you can do a request when the flag is picked up |
| 03:56.19 | Vallerius|SH | GetNumBattlefieldScores()? |
| 03:56.50 | Shadowed | doesn't update until the UDPATE_BATTLEFIELD_SCORE event is sent |
| 03:57.11 | Shadowed | SSPVP also has an ability to basically search the enemy faction so we have to do a request every X seconds to make sure it's up to date |
| 03:57.37 | Vallerius|SH | yeah, that'd do it |
| 03:58.47 | Shadowed | Originally I was making it request when they want to do a who, but the problem is it sometimes doesn't send the UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_SCORE if the score frame is open |
| 03:58.57 | Shadowed | it's just more sane to do a request every X seconds :p |
| 04:00.01 | Vallerius|SH | technically you already know the score if the score frame is open, but yea :) |
| 04:00.42 | Shadowed | Yeah, it worked very oddly when I made it not request it if the score frame was open. So I just said screw it and went for the timer |
| 04:01.10 | Shadowed | nobody will notice! |
| 04:01.42 | Vallerius|SH | :D |
| 04:01.47 | Legorol | new music in WSG |
| 04:03.52 | Shadowed | oh rly? |
| 04:03.56 | Vallerius|SH | Shadowed: Did you ever do any work with rez timers in gulch? I've been looking into it, and it seems... unreliable, at best. |
| 04:04.16 | Shadowed | Vallerius|SH: it's been requested but i think it's worthless |
| 04:06.53 | Shadowed | From my point of view. You don't need to know when people are ressing, and if you try to figure out how long you need to stall or wait for reinforcements using the res timer you'll probably fail anyway because you never know when somebody will delay them. |
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| 04:07.35 | Shadowed | You could get it to work reliably though if you sync it when you die. |
| 04:08.21 | Vallerius|SH | That's the plan. I'm also planning to use the new mod-comms channels to sync it when anyone else running BFC dies |
| 04:08.53 | Shadowed | Have you checked if RAID messages are sent if you do it to everyone inside the BG? |
| 04:09.19 | Shadowed | I'm not sure if they are sent to everyone inside the BG even if they are on a different server. |
| 04:09.42 | Vallerius|SH | Haven't had a chance to verify that the RAID messages work within autocreated BG raids yet, no. I certainly hope they do. |
| 04:09.57 | Shadowed | I'll check in a couple of minutes. I was going to ask slouken to add one if they don't |
| 04:10.46 | Vallerius|SH | I was just in the middle of writing that post :) |
| 04:10.49 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 04:12.32 | Shadowed | Although, the next person who asks me to add bars to my timers i'm going to have to stab >_> |
| 04:13.00 | Vallerius|SH | haha |
| 04:13.10 | Shadowed | You' |
| 04:13.13 | Vallerius|SH | so, uhh... about those timers... |
| 04:13.23 | Shadowed | err ignore that "You'" |
| 04:15.13 | Shadowed | what about the timers? :p |
| 04:16.01 | Vallerius|SH | They're awfully texty. |
| 04:16.50 | Vallerius|SH | Could use some sort of graphical progress indicator. |
| 04:16.51 | Shadowed | well, i'm not sure if you've looked at the SSOverlay\SSOverlay.lua file. But how I built them I can practically use them for anything I want. Item totals, text, timers, elapsed, ect. |
| 04:17.09 | Vallerius|SH | I'm just yanking your chain, they're fine :p |
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| 04:17.23 | Shadowed | good, i was going to have to slap you :p |
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| 04:19.18 | Shadowed | Oh, also if you ever need it. You can get the friendly flag carrier without having to capture/parse the messages |
| 04:19.58 | Vallerius|SH | orly? |
| 04:20.13 | Shadowed | http://pastebin.ca/90948 it's slightly hacky but it works |
| 04:20.38 | Vallerius|SH | You're right, that is hacky :p |
| 04:20.53 | Shadowed | it was mostly a copy and paste from the battlefield minimap :p |
| 04:21.36 | Vallerius|SH | I wouldn't have thought to just compare the X/Y though, that's clever. |
| 04:22.04 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure it was one of those "It's 4 AM, how can i get this done as fast as possible" then you realize a way |
| 04:22.55 | Vallerius|SH | I wonder what happens if someone is standing directly on top of the flag carrier |
| 04:23.42 | Shadowed | If you could somehow get the exact cord's as the same person with the flag, i'd imagine it would use whoever it finds first in the array. |
| 04:24.31 | Vallerius|SH | (I'm a software tester by day, they pay me to come up with silly corner cases like that) |
| 04:24.59 | Shadowed | If it comes up i'll blame them and they wont ask again since it'll "magically" start working again! |
| 04:25.07 | Vallerius|SH | heh |
| 04:25.21 | Vallerius|SH | "mod conflict, wontfix" |
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| 04:25.34 | Shadowed | i'll blame it on BFC since you modify the minimap :p |
| 04:25.49 | Vallerius|SH | Not anymore, I don't. That was a terrible idea. |
| 04:26.03 | Shadowed | Have you found a way to make resizing work using the code blizzard added yet? |
| 04:26.50 | Vallerius|SH | Blizzard had half-implemented code that I finished implementing, more-or-less. Mine's a bit trickier because I need to maintain aspect ratio and stuff. |
| 04:27.11 | Shadowed | Was trying to get it to work, but I eventually just said screw it |
| 04:27.44 | Vallerius|SH | If you look waaay back in the ui.WoW archives there's a mod called 'BattlefieldStretchyMap' |
| 04:28.11 | Vallerius|SH | It was my proof-of-concept for the resizing. Feel free to poke around if you want, it's just the bare essentials to make it work. |
| 04:28.26 | Shadowed | If they want resizing i'll make them use BFC |
| 04:28.45 | Shadowed | "Well...I could add it. But BFC does it already, go use that!" |
| 04:29.31 | Vallerius|SH | Heh. I had adjustable blip scale working before I quit too, that was a pain in the butt. Then I accidentally deleted it when I uninstalled WoW >_< |
| 04:29.44 | Shadowed | whooops |
| 04:30.57 | Vallerius|SH | Working with scale is dumb, all your coords change when you change the scale. That's how my resizing originally worked way back in Warsong Commander, and it was no end of headaches. |
| 04:31.29 | Vallerius|SH | You'd adjust the scale and the map would move. |
| 04:32.05 | Shadowed | I'm not even sure why people want to be able to do resizing, the current one provides most of the info you need |
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| 04:32.46 | Vallerius|SH | It's so little, though. I like mine narrow mode and about 150%. Others like it tiny in the corner. |
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| 04:33.19 | Vallerius|SH | Evenin' Iriel |
| 04:33.35 | Iriel | Evening. |
| 04:33.37 | Shadowed | hmmm, how to spec this rogue |
| 04:35.11 | Vallerius|SH | Fury, definitely fury. |
| 04:36.32 | Shadowed | I'm going to try a sub/dagger build it hink |
| 04:37.24 | Vallerius|SH | (I don't know a thing about sneaking, I'm a priest through and through) |
| 04:37.34 | Shadowed | 14/8/29 no hemo. |
| 04:47.09 | Shadowed | Vallerius|SH: so you havn't found out if the RAID messages work for the BG raid? just making sure before i go check |
| 04:49.29 | Tain | Ah Sub really isn't worth much if you're doing combat at all as a Rogue. If your'e going to be doing stealth solo runs it's different. |
| 04:49.53 | Tain | This is a pretty common Dagger combat rogue type build. Or at least the idea. |
| 04:49.54 | Tain | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=w0eMoxZGci00yzZ0xx |
| 04:50.21 | Shadowed | I'm on the PTR messing around with the changes mostly |
| 04:50.29 | Shadowed | Seeing if I can make a sub/dagger build work for PVP |
| 04:51.46 | Tain | Ah the new changes yeah would be different |
| 04:52.41 | Shadowed | Nothing annoys more me then getting basically no flash powder here |
| 04:52.46 | Shadowed | err blinding |
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| 04:57.20 | Vallerius|SH | Shadowed: haven't had a chance yet, no |
| 04:58.02 | Vallerius|SH | trying to write code while holding the flag in gulch is hairy, at best |
| 04:58.14 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 04:58.16 | Shadowed | It's CHAT_MSG_ADDON is the event right? |
| 04:58.29 | MentalPower | Shadowed: yes |
| 04:58.51 | Shadowed | /script SendAddonMessage( "SSPVP", "Test Message", "RAID" ); |
| 04:58.58 | Shadowed | isn't working then for the battleground forced group |
| 05:00.41 | Shadowed | that is suppose to send it to the raid, right? |
| 05:01.36 | Vallerius|SH | yes |
| 05:01.46 | Vallerius|SH | which server did you end up on? |
| 05:02.16 | Shadowed | PVP |
| 05:02.18 | Shadowed | Shadowd |
| 05:02.25 | Shadowed | Vallerius|SH: Do you want to make the post? |
| 05:02.35 | Vallerius|SH | already did :) |
| 05:02.48 | Vallerius|SH | go ahead and add to it if you'd like |
| 05:02.58 | Shadowed | where is it? dont see it on forums |
| 05:03.05 | Shadowed | oh nevermind, it's downs ome |
| 05:05.24 | Shadowed | I can see a couple of new features to add for 1.7. |
| 05:07.53 | ckknight_ | anyone know of a program for windows that can make ISO files? |
| 05:09.59 | Vallerius|SH | hmm.. most cd-burning programs will, i think |
| 05:10.44 | ckknight_ | Nero won't |
| 05:10.47 | ckknight_ | it's all I had installed |
| 05:11.32 | Vallerius|SH | hmm. dunno then |
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| 05:16.46 | Shadowed | okay, this build is terrible |
| 05:18.36 | Iriel | Do you have full nero, or a freebie lite version |
| 05:23.58 | Vallerius|SH | interesting... i just noticed that 1.11 has TicTacToeFrame.lua/xml. seems to be the start of a minigame |
| 05:29.29 | Iriel | it's been there since 1.9 |
| 05:29.30 | Iriel | or so |
| 05:29.52 | Iriel | there's a set of minigame API's but so far no way to initiate a game |
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| 05:38.55 | Shadowed | I have a new found hate for warriors in ful wrath |
| 05:40.31 | Vallerius|SH | They're pretty chewy, aren't they? |
| 05:40.52 | Shadowed | no they dodge everything |
| 05:40.54 | Shadowed | every-damn-thing |
| 05:41.09 | Shadowed | Seal fate build seems to have gotten weaker since I played i though |
| 05:50.28 | Shadowed | these new player health things are amazing |
| 05:50.40 | AnduinLothar | the sct ones? |
| 05:50.50 | Shadowed | no the new ones blizzard added, you can now see the health of enemies in PVP |
| 05:51.04 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 05:51.10 | AnduinLothar | values? |
| 05:51.53 | Shadowed | yes, you can see the health values. |
| 05:51.59 | Shadowed | err i mean |
| 05:52.24 | Shadowed | You can see the same bar you see above NPC's head above enemy players. So you don't get the actual % but you can see the health without targetting |
| 05:52.54 | AnduinLothar | oh right, the improved 'v' |
| 05:53.00 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 05:54.08 | Shadowed | arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhh |
| 05:54.14 | Shadowed | some paladin on the test is being played well :( |
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| 06:05.33 | wereHamster | EU PTR servers are up :) |
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| 06:17.55 | Shadowed | Did UnitFactionGroup always return 2 args? |
| 06:19.57 | AnduinLothar | localizaed and non-localized? |
| 06:20.06 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:20.18 | Shadowed | arg1 = localized, arg2 = non-localized? |
| 06:20.27 | AnduinLothar | might be the other way around |
| 06:20.34 | AnduinLothar | check the wiki |
| 06:20.40 | Shadowed | the wiki has no info, thats why i'm asking. going to udpate it |
| 06:20.41 | Shadowed | update* |
| 06:21.29 | Shadowed | Can someone do a /dump of UnitFactionGroup("player") on a EU client please? |
| 06:22.09 | wereHamster | enGB: "Alliance", Alliance" |
| 06:22.16 | AnduinLothar | lol, unhelpful |
| 06:22.40 | AnduinLothar | need a de or fr client or loang pack |
| 06:22.55 | Shadowed | dont have all 3 :p |
| 06:23.49 | Kirov | Anyone having problems opening patch.mpq with myWarcraftStudio? |
| 06:23.50 | wereHamster | I deleted all my other language clients because WoW started scaning the whole directory structure and the startup took too long :( |
| 06:24.46 | Shadowed | :( |
| 06:25.07 | Shadowed | Doesn't UnitClass do arg1 for localized, arg2 for non? |
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| 06:25.31 | Wobin | yes |
| 06:25.44 | Wobin | which doesn't hold that other functions will do the same =) |
| 06:26.05 | Wobin | But it also returns DRUID instead of Druid for the non-localised |
| 06:27.46 | Shadowed | the current wiki one is basically non-exisitant. guess ill go find someone with a german client to bug |
| 06:32.31 | AnduinLothar | zespri has the language packs installed, you can bug him when he gets on |
| 06:34.03 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 06:44.58 | Tain | How do you find out easily if the Darkmoon Faire is currently running? |
| 06:45.43 | Shadowed | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ |
| 06:45.49 | Shadowed | event calendar |
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| 06:53.20 | Vallerius|SH | Shadowed: I whipped up a quick rez timer.. It's actually kind of handy |
| 06:53.58 | Shadowed | 3-4 people have to request something that i dont want to add before i add it :p |
| 06:54.06 | Vallerius|SH | heh |
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| 07:23.48 | AnduinLothar | mmm, ok. think i got IsCasting in working order |
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| 08:01.35 | Kirov | Can the TexCoord in xml take the 8 value format? |
| 08:02.15 | s|loup | 8 value format? |
| 08:02.51 | Kirov | for rotating a texture |
| 08:04.09 | s|loup | can you give an example? i dont check what you mean by 8 value format |
| 08:04.39 | Kirov | the lua would be something like Texture:SetTexCoord(1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0); |
| 08:04.53 | s|loup | normally TexCoord is just for cutting a part of the texture to display |
| 08:05.45 | ckknight | is there Japanese WoW? |
| 08:06.26 | s|loup | Texture:SetTexCoord(1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0); <-- this texture will be empty? |
| 08:07.39 | s|loup | setTexCoord can be used with 8 values but then its just for coordinates not for rotating |
| 08:09.34 | Kirov | The main use would be to rotate a texture |
| 08:09.55 | s|loup | ok all i said was garbage pls ignore it :D |
| 08:10.12 | s|loup | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
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| 08:32.24 | AnduinLothar | ... does GameTooltip:ClearLines() not clear right side texts? |
| 08:33.15 | Shadowed | Think so, pretty sure the wiki says it doesn't |
| 08:33.18 | Shadowed | zespri! |
| 08:33.59 | zespri_work | hey |
| 08:34.34 | Shadowed | When you get a chance, can do you a /dump of UnitFactionGroup("player") on a DE client or something that has different translation for either "Alliance" or "Horde"? |
| 08:34.43 | Shadowed | The wiki doesn't have the info and it appears to return 2 args, but we're not sure which |
| 08:35.06 | Shadowed | err, which is which |
| 08:35.31 | zespri_work | so you want to know what /dump of UnitFactionGroup("player") returns? |
| 08:35.48 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 08:36.16 | zespri_work | ok. I'm going to movies right now, but I'll take a look in about 3 hours |
| 08:36.34 | Shadowed | Thanks |
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| 09:35.51 | AnduinLothar | zomg, cair aint here! |
| 09:36.29 | AnduinLothar | I take it byt he lack of responses all day, no one wants to play with IsCasting |
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| 11:06.54 | zespri | Shadowed |
| 11:07.02 | Shadowed | yep? |
| 11:07.09 | zespri | first is english name second is localized name |
| 11:07.22 | Shadowed | zespri: Great thanks, will go update the wiki |
| 11:15.09 | Shadowed | alright updated. night |
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| 12:31.29 | Legorol | <AnduinLothar> ... does GameTooltip:ClearLines() not clear right side texts? |
| 12:31.38 | Legorol | it does clear them by setting them to empty strings |
| 12:31.50 | Legorol | it does not nil them out, like the left side ones |
| 12:32.38 | Legorol | oh sorry that's wrong |
| 12:32.50 | Legorol | from the wiki: ClearLines clears lines by setting all TextLeftX fontstrings to hidden and nil text, and all TextRightX fontstrings to hidden (but leaves text of those intact). |
| 12:36.02 | zespri | he is asleep |
| 12:39.02 | esp|Syn | gah fucking lame horde |
| 12:39.23 | esp|Syn | two ?? took it in turns fearing me into a group of mobs |
| 12:39.37 | Mery | lol |
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| 12:49.53 | Legorol | has anyone had a cross-realm BG experience? |
| 12:56.39 | Legorol | ok, this is confusing.... has anyone seen the news post on www.worldofwarcraft.com, about the PTR? |
| 12:56.54 | Legorol | they say they want to test cross-realm BG... then they link to the battlegroups for *live* servers |
| 12:56.55 | Legorol | huh? |
| 12:57.12 | Legorol | how is that information relevant to the PTR |
| 12:57.21 | s|loup | anyone knows warcraftcinema.com? |
| 12:58.24 | Legorol | btw, I think this is the wonkiest PTR release I have seen |
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| 12:59.13 | krka|work | yay for clarity: "Move a character" vs "Character move" |
| 12:59.23 | krka|work | which is which, and why? |
| 12:59.57 | Mikk | and Character Transfer! Oh my god the ambiguity! |
| 13:01.31 | krka|work | and only 4 realms allow the transfer |
| 13:01.33 | krka|work | :/ |
| 13:08.41 | Mikma | krka|work: other is free, other requires $ ;) |
| 13:08.55 | krka|work | or € |
| 13:09.35 | Mikma | all i see is a block but i bet you meant euro |
| 13:12.44 | krka|work | yes |
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| 14:19.23 | Gello | model:SetUnit is *nasty* on 1.12. causes mini lockups. anyone able to confirm? |
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| 14:28.22 | Tem | haven't tried yet Gello |
| 14:28.27 | Tem | however, if I can login, I will |
| 14:29.12 | End | is the PTR even up right now? |
| 14:29.16 | Tem | not sure |
| 14:29.18 | End | hmm |
| 14:29.23 | Tem | It hasn't been up every time I've tried |
| 14:29.23 | Mery | yes |
| 14:29.24 | End | the PTR icon is redded out |
| 14:29.27 | Mery | it up |
| 14:29.28 | Tem | but hC was on last night |
| 14:29.47 | End | well, then the PTR page lies |
| 14:29.51 | End | because it shows it as down |
| 14:29.51 | Mery | well at least im on right now... |
| 14:29.53 | zenzelezz | hm, they're changing Thunderfury into a one-handed weapon? |
| 14:30.10 | End | "The Public Test Realms are not available at this time." |
| 14:30.23 | Tem | zenzelezz, it's always been a one-hander? |
| 14:30.27 | Gello | PTRs are up yeah |
| 14:30.34 | zenzelezz | I mean "One-Hand", as opposed to "Main-Hand" |
| 14:30.39 | Tem | oh |
| 14:30.40 | Tem | hmm |
| 14:30.46 | Tem | that would be interesting |
| 14:30.53 | End | I'm not surprised that the PTR page isn't accurate though |
| 14:30.55 | Gello | SetCamera(0) seems to take eons too |
| 14:31.12 | Tem | the thought of TF being the lesser of a rogue's two weapons scares me |
| 14:31.33 | Tem | (as a squishy, that makes me cry a little on the inside) |
| 14:31.43 | End | oh that's fun, yet again, the account page is down |
| 14:31.57 | Tem | lol End |
| 14:32.11 | Tem | should have transfered your characters before the PTRs were up |
| 14:32.16 | End | I did |
| 14:32.22 | End | twice |
| 14:32.28 | End | once on friday, before they reset it |
| 14:32.32 | End | then I did it yesterday |
| 14:32.45 | Tem | oh, they reset them again? |
| 14:32.47 | Tem | damnit! |
| 14:32.49 | End | I have no idea |
| 14:33.02 | End | but any copies on friday were reset |
| 14:33.08 | Tem | damn |
| 14:33.12 | End | dunno about yesterday though |
| 14:33.35 | End | if I could get to the account page, I could at least see how many it thought I had left :P |
| 14:33.48 | Gello | on the bright side, models appear to keep their camera angle. so there's no longer a need to OnUpdate SetCamera(0) |
| 14:33.49 | Tem | my mage is still there |
| 14:33.53 | End | (or to see whether that thought the PTR was up or not too) |
| 14:34.26 | Tem | but I guess I should do a transfer too since my gear isn't as good as the gear the premades have |
| 14:34.40 | End | what gear do the premades have this time around? |
| 14:34.46 | Tem | same as last time, afaik |
| 14:34.51 | Tem | (the mages do at least) |
| 14:35.35 | End | well, at least, I'm starting to catch up |
| 14:35.39 | End | in terms of gear :P |
| 14:36.20 | Mikk | oargh. have people started saying "10x" instead of "thanks" now? |
| 14:36.46 | End | how does 10x sound -anything- like thanks? |
| 14:37.16 | krka|work | ten-x -> tenks -> thanks |
| 14:39.01 | Mikk | gnah. why oh why doesn't xpcall() accept function arguments? |
| 14:40.08 | krka|work | easily fixed! |
| 14:40.12 | zenzelezz | 10x sounds more like tennex |
| 14:40.32 | krka|work | xpcall(function() return f(a1, a2, a3) end, err) |
| 14:41.59 | Mikk | Damnit. Damnit. Damnit. |
| 14:42.42 | krka|work | it's not that you're stupid, it's just that i am so very very very smart |
| 14:43.33 | Mikk | considering i'd get into mensa if I tried, you've got to be bloody Einstein then =P |
| 14:44.34 | krka|work | nah j/k, i am actually quite umint... iminte... uni... dumb |
| 14:45.40 | krka|work | i even failed to get into mensa :/ |
| 14:46.22 | Mikk | i should qualify that with a "probably".. if the public tests are anything to go by, i need to be having a good day to succeed =P |
| 14:47.29 | KTwombley | have you taken any other high-level standardized tests? |
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| 14:47.55 | Mikk | just mensa's evaluation one... takes 45 minutes or so to complete |
| 14:48.10 | Gello | you can ignore that test earlier Tem. i'm not seeing the mini lockups on a new model or the characterframe one |
| 14:48.11 | KTwombley | well like college entrance exams, grad school exams, anything like that? |
| 14:48.42 | Mikk | nah, i've gotten where i wanted to go on grades alone |
| 14:48.53 | KTwombley | heh |
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| 14:48.57 | Mikk | oh, waitasec... the swedish military evaulation stuff |
| 14:48.59 | TeBeCo | lo |
| 14:49.03 | KTwombley | well neither did I, but the good test scores sure helped. |
| 14:49.29 | Mikk | they wanted to plop me into the swedish equivalent of a tour of NSA >:< |
| 14:49.30 | TeBeCo | are there any "old" VB developper here ? |
| 14:49.38 | Tem | VB can die in a fire |
| 14:49.38 | End | "old"? |
| 14:49.43 | TeBeCo | i'm looking for an equivallent operator of "LIKE" |
| 14:49.49 | End | in a car fire for that matter |
| 14:50.03 | Mikk | string.lower(foo) == string.lower(bawr) |
| 14:50.19 | KTwombley | you're looking for pattern matching. |
| 14:50.34 | TeBeCo | something thath return, true or false, after a test betxeen 2 string |
| 14:50.40 | TeBeCo | first is the string to test |
| 14:50.47 | TeBeCo | second one is a filter |
| 14:50.58 | TeBeCo | the first one have to be like the filter is :) |
| 14:51.03 | Mikk | .... |
| 14:51.06 | Mikk | exactly like? |
| 14:51.07 | TeBeCo | (my english is really bas sorry) |
| 14:51.13 | Mikk | "string1 == string2" then |
| 14:51.17 | TeBeCo | nooo |
| 14:51.25 | KTwombley | no, he wants pattern matching |
| 14:51.29 | Mikk | okay |
| 14:51.32 | Mikk | string.find() then |
| 14:51.38 | TeBeCo | if (s LIKE "*a##*") |
| 14:51.55 | End | does # mean digit? |
| 14:51.58 | End | or something else? |
| 14:51.58 | TeBeCo | it mean s must contain tha letter "a" and 2 number jsute afeter |
| 14:52.03 | Mikk | if(string.find(s, "a%d%d")) |
| 14:52.15 | KTwombley | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_Regular_Expressions |
| 14:52.29 | krka|work | GAH |
| 14:52.35 | TeBeCo | Mikk> ok thanks for it but are there any web site with all description of this operator ? |
| 14:52.36 | krka|work | string.find is NOT regex |
| 14:52.57 | krka|work | bad title :/ |
| 14:53.15 | KTwombley | that's correct, because it does not allow alteration. However, they are close enough to regular expressions that someone looking for pattern-matching would probably look for that title. |
| 14:53.21 | KTwombley | should probably be a redirect. |
| 14:53.44 | Mikk | alteration? sure it does |
| 14:53.51 | krka|work | only for single characters |
| 14:54.01 | Mikk | alternation |
| 14:54.06 | Mikk | ok |
| 14:54.09 | KTwombley | alternation, pardon. |
| 14:54.30 | Mikk | myeah... i really miss that =( |
| 14:54.44 | End | oh, alternation yeah |
| 14:54.54 | KTwombley | yeah |
| 14:55.27 | KTwombley | PCRE would be asking too much, but it'd be super great if we could get alternation so that the pattern matching would be an RE system. |
| 14:55.45 | End | PCRE would be awesome if we could use it |
| 14:56.07 | zenzelezz | what's PCRE; perl compatible? |
| 14:56.10 | Mikk | I believe there's Lua PCRE libraries |
| 14:56.11 | End | yea |
| 14:56.12 | KTwombley | yessir |
| 14:56.15 | Mikk | Seem to remember seeing it |
| 14:56.30 | End | and there are is a lua pcre binding somewhere |
| 14:57.02 | krka|work | lua uses patterns instead of regex because it's apparently much easier to implement (less bloat) |
| 14:57.09 | Mikk | Yeah |
| 14:57.11 | End | yes |
| 14:57.17 | Mikk | But that's not an issue for WoW |
| 14:57.17 | KTwombley | alternations is a big tangled mess. |
| 14:57.23 | End | you lose a -ton- of flexibility though |
| 14:57.32 | KTwombley | you'd have to allow back-tracking and increased memory usage |
| 14:57.36 | krka|work | yeah, wow doesn't really need the low footprint of lua |
| 14:57.50 | KTwombley | they should dump Lua and use perl :-D |
| 14:57.58 | Mikk | no =P |
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| 14:58.02 | End | perl would be harder to sandbox |
| 14:58.04 | krka|work | python is a likelier candidate |
| 14:58.07 | Mikk | Lua is waaaaaay fast |
| 14:58.15 | KTwombley | perl is waaaaay fast |
| 14:58.17 | Mikk | And tbh it can do stuff that I've seen no other language do |
| 14:58.25 | krka|work | really? like what? |
| 14:59.20 | Mikk | Ok, I'm probably going to get slapped with "bah, perl can do that with <spiffy lib here>" but... check out WoWBench multi-instance loading |
| 14:59.46 | Mikk | Loading several copies of itself in separate environments inside the same process |
| 15:00.02 | KTwombley | perl can do that out of the box. |
| 15:00.06 | Mikk | (Using only core language functions, mind you) |
| 15:00.27 | KTwombley | it fully supports the unix ipc model and all of the flexibility (and headaches) inherent. |
| 15:00.36 | Mikk | It's not multiprocess |
| 15:00.39 | Mikk | It's a single process |
| 15:00.42 | KTwombley | you can get a safe fork() and a real fork() |
| 15:00.46 | KTwombley | perl does threads too. |
| 15:00.48 | Mikk | It's not multithread either |
| 15:01.00 | KTwombley | nah, you can fork() in perl. |
| 15:01.22 | Mikk | Single thread, single process. 99.9% of stuff is entirely separate, but there are a few shared APIs and data structures for inter-instance communication |
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| 15:01.34 | KTwombley | are you talking about perl or Lua here? |
| 15:01.37 | Mikk | Lua |
| 15:01.42 | Mikk | WoWBench in particular |
| 15:01.45 | Mikk | Which is 100% Lua |
| 15:01.53 | KTwombley | sounds like you're talking about threading, which perl does too :) |
| 15:01.58 | Mikk | It isn't though |
| 15:02.11 | KTwombley | it's software-based threading. |
| 15:02.17 | KTwombley | rather than using the OS for real threads. |
| 15:02.30 | Mikk | Nonpreemptive multithreading, entirely controlled by the language itself, using no extensions |
| 15:02.40 | KTwombley | i can't remember what section it was in the Lua manual, but I could look it up for you. |
| 15:02.43 | KTwombley | yes exactly. |
| 15:02.49 | KTwombley | why this is a "feature" I don't know :P |
| 15:03.17 | Mikk | Well.. from a 10000 ft standpoint, it matters not |
| 15:03.29 | Mikk | "Ok, several processes that can communicate. Fine." |
| 15:03.30 | krka|work | like coroutines? |
| 15:03.37 | Mikk | no, not like coroutines |
| 15:03.38 | KTwombley | you're still stuck in the same memory footprint, so it's like any other half-assed 1-process threading library. |
| 15:03.49 | rallion | Well...well...Lua is pretty. |
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| 15:04.24 | krka|work | only haskell is prettier :) |
| 15:04.34 | Mikk | My point is more along the lines of "omfg, a language that can do that, with no bells and whistles, just using the most basic of its core functionality" |
| 15:05.15 | End | well, what I like about it is how the language has been designed |
| 15:05.20 | End | it's all about the tables... |
| 15:05.23 | Mikk | Yeah |
| 15:05.28 | KTwombley | yeah, but so can perl, and just about any other programming language that can hook into pthreads |
| 15:05.30 | Mikk | That's what I'm getting at, I suppose |
| 15:06.21 | KTwombley | I like how orthogonal Lua is; all the variables are first-class. It's like scheme, except doesn't suck.))))) |
| 15:06.28 | Mikk | Mmm.. But Lua can do this in environments that don't have a 1 MB threading library and 100 MB kernel that does all the work for you |
| 15:06.39 | krka|work | (scheme (is (the shit))) |
| 15:07.23 | Mikk | But like I said.. given 99.9% of likely implementation environments, and looking at it from a helicopter perspective, the difference matters not to most people |
| 15:07.26 | End | now, what -I- really like about lua is the metatables |
| 15:07.34 | Mikk | no kidding |
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| 15:07.46 | TeBeCo | back :) |
| 15:07.49 | Mikk | uhoh |
| 15:07.52 | KTwombley | that is nice. |
| 15:07.54 | TeBeCo | just forgot one thing :) |
| 15:08.04 | End | incidently, you can set the metatable for the enviroment :P |
| 15:08.11 | krka|work | i like the simplicity of the language syntax, first-class functions, tables |
| 15:08.13 | TeBeCo | ii have some habitude in .net C, ... |
| 15:08.30 | TeBeCo | how to do a "OR" comparaison il LUA |
| 15:08.41 | TeBeCo | with "OR" or with "||" ? |
| 15:08.43 | Mikk | "or" |
| 15:08.45 | End | or |
| 15:09.01 | TeBeCo | any page listing all common operator ? |
| 15:09.10 | krka|work | or, and, not |
| 15:09.14 | Mikk | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/ |
| 15:09.21 | End | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#2.5 |
| 15:09.23 | krka|work | ==, ~=, <, <=, >, >= |
| 15:09.30 | krka|work | think those are all |
| 15:09.41 | krka|work | comparison / boolean anyway |
| 15:09.45 | Mikk | ( ) + - / * |
| 15:09.46 | Mikk | , |
| 15:09.46 | Mikk | . |
| 15:09.47 | Mikk | : |
| 15:09.49 | Mikk | ; |
| 15:09.49 | End | brb |
| 15:09.51 | Mikk | =) |
| 15:09.54 | krka|work | .. |
| 15:09.55 | krka|work | ... |
| 15:10.00 | rallion | just hit all the punctuation keys! |
| 15:10.09 | rallion | ? |
| 15:10.14 | Mikk | nope |
| 15:10.24 | krka|work | ; is hardly an operator :P |
| 15:10.36 | Mikk | hmmmmm........ sure it is =) |
| 15:10.41 | rallion | it doesn't...operate |
| 15:11.02 | Mikk | it puts an end to a statement! =) |
| 15:11.46 | TeBeCo | thanks for it :) |
| 15:12.07 | Mikk | hm... along the same lines, whitespace would be an operator too |
| 15:12.09 | rallion | ^ |
| 15:12.11 | Mikk | ok, i take that back =P |
| 15:12.14 | krka|work | the FAIAP source includes all operators |
| 15:12.31 | Mikk | hahaha, you do NOT want to point people at FAIAP source code as a beginner's guide =P |
| 15:12.43 | krka|work | [[ ]] might be considered an operator in that case |
| 15:12.49 | Mikk | it may be self documenting to you, but it bloody hurt my head =P |
| 15:13.28 | krka|work | you're mensa smart, i am not, you're just being lazy :P |
| 15:13.38 | Mikk | haha |
| 15:14.07 | krka|work | i have nice function names and even some comments, what more can you ask for |
| 15:14.30 | Cide | one-character variable names? |
| 15:14.45 | Mikk | yay! =) |
| 15:15.00 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.00 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.03 | krka|work | see, readable! |
| 15:15.26 | Cide | what's a triple period? :P |
| 15:15.28 | Cide | "..."? |
| 15:15.30 | krka|work | yes |
| 15:15.39 | Mikk | And yet I was unable to find where it sets the indent length =P |
| 15:15.49 | krka|work | because it didn't exist |
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| 15:16.04 | Mikk | oh |
| 15:16.10 | Mikk | that'd explain a thing or two |
| 15:16.35 | Mikk | (does "..." exist in lua?) |
| 15:16.38 | krka|work | yes |
| 15:16.46 | krka|work | function f(a1, a2, ...) |
| 15:17.08 | Mikk | that does it. i need more coffee before i humiliate myself further. |
| 15:17.29 | krka|work | time to go home |
| 15:19.21 | rallion | I might want to read(skim) the Lua manual again... |
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| 15:20.25 | KTwombley | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeetings! |
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| 15:29.38 | Gello | DressUpModel:SetUnit takes eons on 1.12. If any of you have a mod that uses models I'd make sure you use PlayerModel instead. |
| 15:33.24 | rallion | speaking of which, does anybody know if the dress-up texture problems and related are fixed in 1.12? |
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| 16:54.37 | zinor | (18:50:27) (@zinor) 1) http://beta2.curse-gaming.com/ (not on the colors, as curse is orange and wow is green) |
| 16:54.37 | zinor | (18:50:34) (@zinor) 2) http://wow.curse-gaming.com/ |
| 16:55.02 | dreamss | sup z |
| 16:55.19 | zinor | hey |
| 16:55.29 | dreamss | i miss cabal :( |
| 16:55.41 | zinor | :s |
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| 16:56.56 | dreamss | any idea how to get around the ip ban? i dont really have any servers i could vpn into |
| 16:57.02 | dreamss | >_< |
| 16:57.36 | Mikk | ... ip ban? |
| 16:57.50 | dreamss | the us ip ban |
| 16:57.54 | Mikk | ahh |
| 16:58.02 | Mikk | is there one? o.O |
| 16:58.15 | Mikk | i thought it was only a registration issue |
| 16:58.16 | KTwombley | the what now? |
| 16:58.47 | Mikk | i know friends of mine (europeans) were playing the US beta |
| 16:58.57 | Mikk | and they weren't VPNing anywhere |
| 17:00.01 | Mikk | granted, this was quite a while ago but ... well... restricting which IP addresses get to talk to the servers is fraught with errors, and screws travellers over |
| 17:00.12 | dreamss | http://www.cabalonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35061 |
| 17:00.19 | dreamss | After speaking to Estsoft this morning, it has come to our attention that some forum users have been posting methods of bypassing the IP Block, put in place to prevent non European players from playing the game. |
| 17:00.30 | Mikk | oh, cabal |
| 17:00.35 | Mikk | i thought we were talking about WoW >.< |
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| 17:14.33 | TeBeCo | one again :) |
| 17:16.40 | TeBeCo | here's a piece of my code => http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/TWXYYO56.html |
| 17:16.51 | TeBeCo | the "Load" work at well |
| 17:17.12 | TeBeCo | but don't understood for the moment why the "OnEvent" doesn't work anymore |
| 17:17.35 | Kirov | Because the frame isn't registered to recieve any events |
| 17:18.06 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_RegisterEvent |
| 17:19.49 | Kirov | TeBeCo - two more things, you're creating a local version of a nil function, then defining the function. That's uneeded. |
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| 17:20.21 | Kirov | You're also passing the event variable to NoBreadAndWater_OnEvent(), which doesn't have any parameters. |
| 17:21.18 | Mikk | and in the else clause you're calling the function itself again recursively |
| 17:21.23 | Cide | hm |
| 17:21.48 | Cide | looks like I'm crashing when doing: savedVariable = { frame:GetPoint(1) } |
| 17:21.53 | Cide | when reloading |
| 17:22.04 | Mikk | it also seems like you're trying to block messages from appearing. that won't work for that. |
| 17:22.21 | Mikk | suggested reading: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_chat_frames_to_modify_or_suppress_messages |
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| 17:22.53 | End | Cide: got devtools? did you try /dumping it? |
| 17:23.14 | Cide | dumping is fine |
| 17:23.17 | End | weird |
| 17:23.27 | End | incidently |
| 17:23.40 | Mikk | there's a real problem in the savedvariables generator btw |
| 17:23.46 | End | I can get WoW to crash when writing saved variables as well |
| 17:23.48 | Mikk | i've got a test case that crashes it 100% |
| 17:23.56 | Mikk | but that one involves a string larger than 4kb |
| 17:24.05 | Cide | yup |
| 17:24.12 | Cide | self:GetVar("movables")[identifier] = { frame:GetPoint(1) }; |
| 17:24.14 | End | but what I was doing is much more nefarious |
| 17:24.16 | Kirov | Cide - When do you do savedVariable = { frame:GetPoint(1) }? |
| 17:24.18 | Cide | = crash on reload |
| 17:24.24 | Kirov | Cide - are you doing it at reload? |
| 17:24.26 | Cide | no |
| 17:24.34 | Cide | right after calling :StopMovingOrSizing on a movable frame |
| 17:24.42 | Cide | I move it and then manually reload -> crash |
| 17:24.49 | End | does it crash when logging out? |
| 17:25.04 | Kirov | oh |
| 17:25.07 | Mikk | but your SV file gets written properly, right? |
| 17:25.12 | Mikk | it's some other SV file that gets truncated? |
| 17:25.16 | Mikk | that's what I was getting |
| 17:25.18 | Kirov | GetPoin() is going to return a frame reference |
| 17:25.21 | Cide | yeah |
| 17:25.26 | Cide | that's my guess too, Kirov |
| 17:25.35 | Cide | that the reference is crashing it on either save or load |
| 17:25.48 | Kirov | that's annoying, but kind of makes sense |
| 17:25.49 | End | probably save |
| 17:25.50 | Mikk | good point |
| 17:25.58 | End | I don't think it know how to save userdata |
| 17:26.00 | Kirov | I'd guess the ref isn't static |
| 17:26.03 | Cide | crash on save, yes |
| 17:26.07 | End | and by know, I mean, it doesn't know not to |
| 17:26.23 | Mikk | i know slouken put in code to ignore random references |
| 17:26.25 | Kirov | try adding savedVariables[2] = savedVariables[2]:GetName() |
| 17:26.27 | Mikk | must have broken it again |
| 17:26.33 | End | well |
| 17:26.37 | End | he made it ignore table keys |
| 17:26.45 | Mikk | and function references |
| 17:26.48 | End | and non-numbers (NaN) |
| 17:26.49 | End | yeah |
| 17:26.52 | End | that too |
| 17:27.06 | Cide | err |
| 17:27.09 | End | don't remember him doing anything about userdata |
| 17:27.16 | Cide | now I crashed immediately after stopping dragging |
| 17:27.19 | Mikk | grats |
| 17:27.20 | End | o_O |
| 17:27.22 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:28.17 | Cide | http://pastecode.com/1620 |
| 17:28.19 | Cide | when that was called |
| 17:28.42 | Kirov | that crashes? |
| 17:29.31 | Cide | not when calling it directly, apparently |
| 17:29.39 | Kirov | hmm |
| 17:29.55 | Kirov | curious ... shouldn't that be self:SetVar? |
| 17:30.06 | Cide | no, since it's a table |
| 17:30.11 | Kirov | ah |
| 17:30.20 | Kirov | You're just returning the reference, right |
| 17:30.38 | Cide | yes |
| 17:31.57 | Cide | um |
| 17:32.25 | Cide | http://pastecode.com/1622 |
| 17:32.27 | Cide | also crashes |
| 17:32.46 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:32.54 | Cide | StopMoving is what's called when I release the mouse button |
| 17:33.26 | Mikk | Random idea: make a deep copy of that table |
| 17:33.34 | Mikk | Or hm really only need shallow |
| 17:33.39 | Mikk | No, wait |
| 17:33.43 | Mikk | You're the one creating the table |
| 17:33.44 | Mikk | Nm me |
| 17:33.48 | Cide | :P |
| 17:33.58 | Kirov | We never do. |
| 17:34.02 | Mikk | Wise =) |
| 17:35.15 | Cide | can check in a bit |
| 17:35.28 | Cide | my test victim had to log so I'm no longer in a raid |
| 17:35.36 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:36.13 | Kirov | Need a dummy? |
| 17:36.28 | Kirov | And if they had to log off, couldn't you stay in a raid? |
| 17:36.44 | Cide | yeah, actually, the person didn't log |
| 17:36.51 | Kirov | what server are you on? |
| 17:36.59 | Cide | got bugged so that I showed as not in a group |
| 17:37.03 | Cide | doomhammer |
| 17:38.04 | Mikk | Kirov: Aren't you US? |
| 17:38.04 | Kirov | patching wow up to 1.11.2, give me a moment. =P |
| 17:38.09 | Kirov | yeah |
| 17:38.27 | Cide | nope, US |
| 17:38.30 | Mikk | o.O |
| 17:38.31 | Mikk | mkay =) |
| 17:38.38 | Cide | hm, now [2] is nil |
| 17:38.47 | Kirov | Cide - see what type [2] is |
| 17:39.00 | Cide | nil :) |
| 17:39.09 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:39.14 | Mikk | hrms.. yeah it can be nil |
| 17:39.15 | Kirov | when coming from GetPoint() |
| 17:39.22 | Mikk | if it doesn't have a parent, ya know |
| 17:39.29 | Mikk | code has to take that into account |
| 17:39.54 | Cide | I'm creating the frame |
| 17:40.17 | End | using CreateFrame()? |
| 17:40.21 | Cide | yes |
| 17:40.29 | End | that's what I thought |
| 17:40.30 | Cide | local frame = CreateFrame("Button", nil, UIParent); |
| 17:41.52 | Cide | well, it's not setting [2] so I'm not crashing anymore |
| 17:42.03 | Cide | I have no idea why it suddenly changed |
| 17:42.06 | Kirov | level 1 shaman named Kirov on there |
| 17:43.55 | Cide | ok, I have [2] set again... |
| 17:44.03 | Cide | weird inconsistencies |
| 17:44.15 | zenzelezz | woot |
| 17:44.31 | zenzelezz | Onyxia phase 1 and 2 flawless, only to have everyone go berserk with damage as soon as she lands; total wipe |
| 17:44.46 | Kirov | lol |
| 17:45.26 | End | lol |
| 17:45.41 | Cide | ok, so |
| 17:45.59 | Cide | [2] is nilled out when the position is updated through moving |
| 17:46.13 | Cide | but that doesn't explain why it crashes |
| 17:47.29 | Kirov | I'm curious if the table that's being created is unhappy there's not a [2] |
| 17:48.09 | Kirov | but, I guess that doesn't make sense if it's crashing before you stick it in the table |
| 17:48.10 | Cide | seems weird to me |
| 17:48.40 | Cide | well, I never got it to crash with that code commented out more than once |
| 17:49.51 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-shaman&t=672007&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard heh |
| 17:52.11 | KTwombley | interesting: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000635.html |
| 17:52.36 | KTwombley | omg if that's true i'll be so happy |
| 17:52.40 | KTwombley | (the windfury thing) |
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| 18:00.51 | JoshBorke | hola :-) |
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| 18:01.44 | Kirov | hey josh |
| 18:03.50 | Industrial` | Josh? No. Tom? Yes. |
| 18:04.05 | Kirov | pff, don't care about you |
| 18:04.10 | JoshBorke | hi tom :-) |
| 18:04.11 | Mikk | 19:56-> JoshBorke has joined wowi-lounge |
| 18:04.11 | Mikk | JoshBorkehola |
| 18:04.11 | Mikk | 19:57-> Industrial` has joined wowi-lounge |
| 18:04.12 | Mikk | Kirovhey josh |
| 18:04.15 | Kirov | besides, you didn't say 'hola" |
| 18:05.04 | Industrial` | * joined #wowi-lounge |
| 18:05.04 | Industrial` | <Industrial> hola |
| 18:05.04 | Industrial` | yes i did |
| 18:05.07 | Industrial` | ;P |
| 18:05.09 | Industrial` | just kidding |
| 18:05.23 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:05.29 | Kirov | hi tom |
| 18:06.21 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:08.55 | Cide | "Unless im missing something (which i probably am) i think the OP's math is off. Why are you multiplying stats by 1.1 when 10% = 0.1?" |
| 18:09.32 | Cide | should require that one at least goes in school in order to post on the forums |
| 18:09.44 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:09.44 | MoonWolf | without knowing what this is all about |
| 18:09.49 | MoonWolf | he want to add 10% ? |
| 18:09.53 | Cide | yes |
| 18:10.28 | Cide | he calculated the stats pre- and post-BoK |
| 18:10.35 | MoonWolf | right |
| 18:10.41 | MoonWolf | commence face slappping. |
| 18:11.01 | Kirov | Cide - respec shadow (if not already) and melt faces |
| 18:11.05 | Kirov | that should teach him |
| 18:11.07 | krka | lol cide, nice quote |
| 18:11.24 | Cide | I'm shadow specced on my alt! pew! |
| 18:11.31 | JoshBorke | pew pew! |
| 18:11.39 | JoshBorke | roll a paladin and melt asses =D |
| 18:18.08 | Beladona | that programming test KT linked to is funny, but I can see how non-programmers would go "huh?" |
| 18:18.48 | End | yeah |
| 18:18.49 | KTwombley | well they're not even testing that you somehow already know how to program, just that you think logically. |
| 18:19.26 | KTwombley | like you don't have to know that equality is left-associative in most programming languages, so if you say a = b = 10 or a = b = 20, both of those would be acceptable answers. |
| 18:20.12 | End | incidently, I don't think that'd work in lua :P |
| 18:20.22 | Cide | it wouldn't |
| 18:20.49 | KTwombley | yes, but that's not the point. :P |
| 18:20.51 | Cide | assignments don't return any value |
| 18:21.04 | Mikk | which is silly imo >.< |
| 18:21.08 | End | well |
| 18:21.13 | Mikk | should return everything on the left hand of the = |
| 18:21.25 | End | assignments aren't part of a normal expression as it were |
| 18:21.25 | Cide | right hand, you mean? |
| 18:21.45 | Mikk | no, left hand i think |
| 18:21.47 | Cide | a = (b = 10) |
| 18:21.56 | Cide | oh, right |
| 18:22.00 | Cide | nevermind me, I'm a retard |
| 18:22.00 | KTwombley | they should make assignment a first-class operator and have it return a value. |
| 18:22.08 | Cide | it would return 10 anyway since b == 10 /slap |
| 18:22.21 | Mikk | the difference is whether (a,b=1,2,3) would return "1,2" or "1,2,3" |
| 18:22.41 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:22.43 | Mikk | i just imagine that it'd be easier to return what was actually assigned |
| 18:22.47 | Mikk | right is fine too =) |
| 18:22.52 | Cide | it would be, you're right |
| 18:22.55 | KTwombley | most languages where assignment is a real operator return the lvalue. |
| 18:23.07 | MoonWolf | it doesnt really matter, as long as you know wich one it is imho |
| 18:23.09 | krka | lua would have more ambiguity if it allowed expressions to be commands on their own |
| 18:23.37 | Mikk | i hate how i can't do string.find() in an if() and assign variables at the same time |
| 18:23.55 | Mikk | perhaps not such a great deal in a literal "if()", but it becomes a pain in an elseif() |
| 18:24.01 | MoonWolf | yeah that i kinda anoying at times. |
| 18:24.09 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:24.17 | krka | true, that's a minor annoyance |
| 18:24.27 | Cide | a, b = ... if ( a ) then ... else a, b = ... if ( a ) then ... end end |
| 18:24.31 | Cide | just more annoying |
| 18:24.37 | Mikk | and crappier to read |
| 18:24.38 | krka | but tbh, the current lua style promotes easier to read code |
| 18:24.46 | Cide | in a way |
| 18:24.58 | Mikk | i find that the lack of "continue" results in completely nutty code |
| 18:25.09 | krka | lua has break :) |
| 18:25.15 | Mikk | mm |
| 18:25.18 | krka | should be enough for you |
| 18:25.20 | Cide | if ( a, b = ... ) then ... else if ( a, b = ... ) then ... elseif ( a, b = ... ) then ... end |
| 18:25.36 | krka | continue is kinda silly |
| 18:25.36 | Cide | much clearer |
| 18:25.47 | Cide | well |
| 18:25.50 | Mikk | for i=1,10 do while true do .... if(something) break; ... break; end; end; |
| 18:25.54 | Mikk | wow that's so much easier |
| 18:26.01 | Mikk | now tell me how to break out of the first loop =P |
| 18:26.16 | KTwombley | with an example like that I think it'd be clearer to do the assignment once and then test the result after. |
| 18:26.43 | KTwombley | err, vice versa |
| 18:26.47 | Mikk | o.O |
| 18:26.53 | Cide | /confused |
| 18:27.10 | KTwombley | well exactly, what you wrote was confusing :P |
| 18:27.17 | Mikk | the first one? |
| 18:27.19 | Mikk | or the second?= |
| 18:27.24 | End | what -who- wrote? |
| 18:27.27 | KTwombley | <Cide> if ( a, b = ... ) then ... else if ( a, b = ... ) then ... elseif ( a, b = ... ) then ... end |
| 18:27.32 | Mikk | ehm |
| 18:27.38 | Mikk | that's more clear imo =P |
| 18:27.51 | Cide | s/else if/elseif/ however |
| 18:27.53 | KTwombley | I guess it depends on what the elipses are. |
| 18:27.58 | Cide | unnecessary space there |
| 18:28.05 | Mikk | assume it's a string.find |
| 18:28.12 | Mikk | reacting on user input |
| 18:28.36 | KTwombley | so you'd be trying to find() 3 or 4 possible inputs |
| 18:28.41 | Mikk | yes |
| 18:28.44 | KTwombley | like making a select block. |
| 18:28.47 | Mikk | yes |
| 18:29.06 | Mikk | and we'd also want to know exactly what the match was, hence the assignment |
| 18:29.18 | KTwombley | in general, having expressions with side effects in an if() is not very clear. |
| 18:30.07 | Cide | somewhat unrelated, that's something I use a lot in php |
| 18:30.10 | KTwombley | and in specific, having stuff with an '=' in an if() is really really bad, if the language also uses the '==' operator :) |
| 18:30.11 | Mikk | and C |
| 18:30.26 | Cide | while ( $row = mysql_fetch_row($query) ) is golden |
| 18:30.35 | Mikk | heck, it even works in awk |
| 18:30.43 | Cide | it works in a lot of languages :P |
| 18:30.47 | KTwombley | yeah, oh it works. |
| 18:31.05 | End | I wouldn't want to -not- assign the operator in the while condition there, because then you either have a while(true) or a do while that assigns $row twice |
| 18:31.07 | Mikk | the only ones getting confused with "=" in ifs are VB weenies, but they had it coming anyway =P |
| 18:31.36 | krka | well, it's obvious that Lua is intended for ease of use and not for having lots of syntactic sugar |
| 18:31.37 | KTwombley | in some cases where it's a pretty well-established idiom, using an assignment in a loop construct is fine, because it's clear what's going on. |
| 18:31.40 | krka | i for one appreciate that |
| 18:31.50 | End | (actually, not really a do while, just a while) |
| 18:31.57 | krka | simple syntax and little sugar makes it easier to get started |
| 18:32.19 | KTwombley | Mikk: if what you're writing is "clever", you're doing it wrong. |
| 18:32.28 | Industrial` | Industrial |
| 18:32.32 | Industrial` | Industrial` |
| 18:32.34 | krka | krka |
| 18:32.35 | Industrial` | someone highlight me |
| 18:32.36 | Industrial` | :P |
| 18:32.37 | Mikk | KTwombley: I hate clever code |
| 18:32.39 | KTwombley | just because something compiles doesn't mean it's necessarily the right way to do something. |
| 18:32.57 | Mikk | I just want to avoid doing the same thing several times because it's error prone |
| 18:33.05 | KTwombley | sure, I can grok that. |
| 18:33.10 | Mikk | Or avoid building a 10-level if() indent that ends with 10x"end" |
| 18:33.14 | Mikk | Which is fairly unreadable |
| 18:33.55 | KTwombley | but c'mon, you must surely realize that in languages that allow assignment in control constructs, it certainly does add a great deal of possiblity for bugs. |
| 18:33.56 | krka | split it into functions! |
| 18:34.04 | Mikk | >.< |
| 18:34.15 | krka | first-class functions makes stuff like this easy |
| 18:34.17 | End | fortunately, most compilers for those languages warn you |
| 18:34.23 | End | (well, C does) |
| 18:34.28 | End | (php..probably wouldn't) |
| 18:34.36 | KTwombley | Mikk has never ever ever typed = as == or vice versa. Grats! |
| 18:34.38 | End | (but that's intepreted) |
| 18:34.41 | KTwombley | :P |
| 18:34.54 | Mikk | I probably have somewhere around when I started programming C |
| 18:34.58 | Mikk | Like 15 years ago |
| 18:35.08 | KTwombley | lol |
| 18:35.24 | Cide | can't really blame a typo on the language |
| 18:35.40 | Cide | unless you for some reason have all operators be variations of the same word or something ridiculous |
| 18:35.59 | krka | i have been thinking making a language without weird symbols |
| 18:36.02 | krka | such as == |
| 18:36.08 | End | yeah, all operators are whitespace ;p |
| 18:36.08 | krka | and just have "a equals b" |
| 18:36.15 | Mikk | batch script! |
| 18:36.16 | KTwombley | Sure, but if the language encourages these sorts of typos, well that's a problem. |
| 18:36.17 | krka | no, everything as words |
| 18:36.18 | End | the amount of whitespace you have specifies the operator :P |
| 18:36.25 | End | that'd get old fast |
| 18:36.50 | krka | if a less than or equal to b then ... end |
| 18:36.51 | Cide | if a equals b then assign 10 to c otherwise assign 5 times the square root of pi to d end if |
| 18:37.04 | krka | assign 1 + b to a |
| 18:37.07 | krka | et.c. |
| 18:37.10 | KTwombley | that'd be bad. |
| 18:37.11 | Cide | 1 plus b! |
| 18:37.14 | Mikk | how the hell do you describe nesting |
| 18:37.16 | krka | ah sorry |
| 18:37.20 | KTwombley | way bad. |
| 18:37.22 | KTwombley | shame on you :P |
| 18:37.29 | krka | nesting? |
| 18:37.55 | krka | one plus b! you mean Cide |
| 18:38.08 | Cide | arh |
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| 18:38.14 | End | one plus b exclaimation point |
| 18:38.27 | krka | see, another advantage |
| 18:38.29 | KTwombley | if a equals ten then assign seventy-three to the third item in the array b. |
| 18:38.31 | KTwombley | :-X |
| 18:38.38 | krka | we can differentiate exclamation point from factorial! |
| 18:38.42 | End | lol |
| 18:38.43 | krka | and negative from minus |
| 18:38.58 | Cide | assign onehundredandninetyninebillionfivehundredandfiftyfivemillionsevenhundredandsixtyseventhousandthreehundredandtwentyfive plus fivehundred to b |
| 18:39.04 | krka | and it's hard to mispell "equals" as "assign" |
| 18:39.19 | Cide | what do you say? |
| 18:39.22 | Mikk | if a is less than or equal to b and c evaluates as true, except if d is 5, then assign q times 7 to the "foo" item of the array that is "bar" which is an item in the array b and return 5. |
| 18:39.26 | krka | and non-programmers might have an easier time reading code |
| 18:39.32 | Mikk | god |
| 18:39.35 | Gryphen | yes? |
| 18:39.45 | End | yeah, but programmers would have a harder time reading code ;p |
| 18:39.50 | Kirov | hehe |
| 18:39.56 | Cide | and according to that article |
| 18:39.57 | Mikk | non-programmers can't program anyway. who cares =P |
| 18:40.00 | Cide | non-progrmamers are screwed anyway |
| 18:40.04 | Mikk | *5* |
| 18:40.13 | Cide | s/progrma/program/ |
| 18:40.20 | KTwombley | if x is greater than the sum of a and twelve then execute the method named concatenate of the object string with the operands quote hello unquote comma quote space unquote comma quote world unquote |
| 18:40.32 | Mikk | oargh |
| 18:40.33 | KTwombley | sounds like you want FORTRAN or something like that. |
| 18:40.34 | End | KTwombley is a horrible person |
| 18:40.54 | End | I just gotta say that ;p |
| 18:40.57 | krka | ok, i am somewhat convinced |
| 18:41.39 | Mikk | i still want to know how you express an "if" statement in the "then" block of that bit there |
| 18:42.16 | KTwombley | maybe if you allowed standard english symbols? |
| 18:42.29 | Mikk | only works for one level of nesting? |
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| 18:42.48 | Mikk | if you're thinking like .. comma and period |
| 18:42.56 | End | you know though, on the other hand, you could have a language that is entirely based on short symbolic...symbols |
| 18:43.03 | Mikk | that's been done |
| 18:43.03 | Mikk | APL |
| 18:43.07 | Mikk | i hate it |
| 18:43.08 | End | that was it |
| 18:43.11 | KTwombley | if x is greater than 7 then do the following: if y is greater than 12 then do the following: assign x to be equal to x plus one... |
| 18:43.14 | KTwombley | hermm. |
| 18:43.16 | End | I was trying to think of the name |
| 18:43.20 | krka | Mikk, like you do in Lua already |
| 18:43.26 | krka | if .. then ... end |
| 18:43.32 | KTwombley | fuck it, let's fully parenthesize everything! |
| 18:43.33 | Mikk | oh hm |
| 18:43.37 | Mikk | good point krka |
| 18:43.47 | Mikk | it was just so unenglish =) |
| 18:43.48 | krka | if ... then ... if ... then ... end ... end |
| 18:43.51 | krka | see, it works |
| 18:44.33 | KTwombley | have a "nevermind" no-op and an "otherwise" so that all if statements have an else clause, and you can read it better. |
| 18:44.45 | KTwombley | if x equals y then food otherwise nevermind. |
| 18:44.54 | Mikk | haha |
| 18:45.07 | krka | actually, if all functions had a known amount of parameters and only prefix syntax, we wouldn't need parens at all |
| 18:45.22 | KTwombley | if x equals y then if z equals 7 then bar otherwise nevermind, otherwise foo. |
| 18:45.38 | KTwombley | kinda hard to read still. |
| 18:45.41 | End | well, you still need to worry about order of operations |
| 18:45.53 | End | although |
| 18:45.54 | krka | not if it's prefix |
| 18:45.55 | Mikk | krka: commas work. as statement separators rather than argument separators |
| 18:45.57 | End | yeah |
| 18:45.59 | End | I just saw that |
| 18:46.00 | KTwombley | maybe just allow parenthesis. |
| 18:46.08 | Mikk | oh hrm |
| 18:46.12 | End | prefix syntax would work |
| 18:46.14 | KTwombley | like english. |
| 18:46.19 | krka | + 3 * 7 - 9 10 9 |
| 18:46.25 | Mikk | bleh |
| 18:46.27 | KTwombley | die in a fire! |
| 18:46.28 | Mikk | noone says that |
| 18:46.30 | End | although, I wouldn't like it :P |
| 18:46.45 | Mikk | prefix notation is .... bleh |
| 18:46.46 | End | (in fact, I'd hate it) |
| 18:47.07 | krka | add(3, multiply(7, subtract(9, 10))) |
| 18:47.14 | krka | crap... the extra 9 was stupid |
| 18:47.23 | KTwombley | i think you've discovered the problem :D |
| 18:47.35 | krka | just a matter of getting used to, i think |
| 18:47.45 | krka | infix is really the stupidest of styles |
| 18:47.47 | End | see, you didn't see that at first :P |
| 18:47.48 | KTwombley | nah, it'd be quite easy to make typos in that system. |
| 18:47.52 | krka | creates problems with ordering |
| 18:47.55 | KTwombley | and quite hard to debug. |
| 18:48.00 | Mikk | krka: huh? |
| 18:48.09 | Mikk | prefix creates reading problems galore |
| 18:48.10 | krka | both prefix and postfix are easier, really |
| 18:48.18 | KTwombley | if those sorts of terse systems were as easy as you posit, then we'd all be writing machine code. |
| 18:48.20 | krka | only because you're not used to it |
| 18:48.29 | krka | (applies to me too) |
| 18:48.40 | Mikk | i mean, ok, that example up there looks fine because the operator is close to the operand all the time |
| 18:48.48 | KTwombley | well forget Lua and all other HLL's, get cracking on the machine code :) |
| 18:48.54 | Mikk | but take a complex infix parenthised expression and translate it to prefix |
| 18:49.02 | Mikk | you'll get the operator and operand several lines apart |
| 18:49.03 | Mikk | no fun at all |
| 18:49.22 | End | well, at that point even the infix notation would start being harder to read |
| 18:49.29 | Mikk | ... um no=P |
| 18:49.30 | End | although, with infix you can just replace |
| 18:49.32 | KTwombley | you have to do major tabbage to make prefix notation readable. |
| 18:49.59 | krka | if you parenthesize prefix, it becomes more readable |
| 18:50.01 | KTwombley | very high on the "pain in the ass" scale. |
| 18:50.11 | End | in that past, I've had expressions that were hard to read due to the number of parentheses I ended up with |
| 18:50.26 | krka | + (/ (3 8)) (* (7 9)) |
| 18:50.40 | KTwombley | that would be more readable if on separate lines |
| 18:50.59 | KTwombley | but would not be as readable as the equivilant infix parenthesized symbology. |
| 18:51.04 | krka | we should really right everything as trees |
| 18:51.09 | krka | err |
| 18:51.10 | krka | write |
| 18:51.24 | KTwombley | lol |
| 18:51.52 | KTwombley | http://www.bricklin.com/wontprogram.htm |
| 18:52.54 | krka | WTF |
| 18:52.55 | krka | The HTML is a traditional programming language |
| 18:53.02 | krka | (quoted, not my words) |
| 18:53.12 | KTwombley | html is declarative. |
| 18:53.19 | krka | it's not programming at all |
| 18:53.30 | End | it has syntax. that's about it |
| 18:53.42 | krka | programming languages are all turing complete |
| 18:54.17 | KTwombley | html is turing complete. |
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| 18:54.51 | krka | O_o |
| 18:54.58 | KTwombley | Not even shitting you. |
| 18:55.36 | KTwombley | consider the internet as the computer and the browser as the program counter. |
| 18:55.45 | krka | ok... show me the html code for this program: input 2 numbers, output their sum |
| 18:56.05 | KTwombley | show me that with backgammon, which is also turing complete. |
| 18:56.18 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_drrgyeA5U |
| 18:57.41 | TeBeCo | Mikk> i don't understood what you mean last time about my pb with event |
| 18:57.58 | TeBeCo | if i want to catch MSG_CHAT_Whiser |
| 18:57.59 | KTwombley | lots of weird shit is actually turing complete. |
| 18:58.24 | TeBeCo | do i have to write => this:RegisterEvent("MSG_CHAT_WISPER"); |
| 18:58.27 | TeBeCo | or not ? |
| 18:59.38 | KTwombley | the Game of Life is also turing complete. |
| 18:59.41 | krka | can you give an example of any html program at all? |
| 18:59.52 | krka | (that isn't trivial) |
| 19:00.09 | KTwombley | you're changing the definition. |
| 19:00.12 | End | with html, you lack the write component anyways |
| 19:00.26 | KTwombley | even if I can only produce a trivial program, I have shown turing completeness. |
| 19:00.26 | End | unless you include -more- than just html |
| 19:00.50 | Cide | TeBeCo: you probably want "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" |
| 19:00.55 | Cide | since that's the name of the event |
| 19:01.20 | TeBeCo | Cide> i jsut start wtith LUA code today |
| 19:01.36 | TeBeCo | i had allready programm in dot net |
| 19:01.41 | Cide | that's fine, just saying since you would scratch your head otherwise |
| 19:01.52 | TeBeCo | bu tnot in LUA so its quite difficult at beginning :) |
| 19:02.08 | Kirov | TeBeCo - You want to prevent whispers from showing up in your chatlog, right? |
| 19:02.11 | krka | KTwombley i am not following at all |
| 19:02.13 | TeBeCo | for the moment i really bloc on => catching event ^^ |
| 19:02.14 | krka | please explain :/ |
| 19:02.37 | TeBeCo | Kirov> for the moment a jsute try to catch the event of a wisper received |
| 19:02.58 | TeBeCo | and after if it possible hook it in order to not diplay all the wisp on my screen |
| 19:03.14 | TeBeCo | but i really don't know how to do |
| 19:03.20 | krka | ok using the actual definition: can you simulate an arbitrary turing complete machine in html? |
| 19:03.34 | TeBeCo | it said that there a code here => http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_chat_frames_to_modify_or_suppress_messages |
| 19:03.49 | TeBeCo | but for "noob" like me it's impossible to copy and paste it |
| 19:04.10 | TeBeCo | it doens't have any sense like that ... |
| 19:04.11 | KTwombley | you can simulate rather easily a minsky machine in html. and a minsky machine can simulate a turing machine. |
| 19:04.36 | TeBeCo | Kirov> is it possible to discut about it in PV ? |
| 19:05.15 | Kirov | There's no harm is discussing it in this channel. |
| 19:05.23 | Kirov | Others might be able to help as well. |
| 19:05.24 | KTwombley | brb lunch |
| 19:05.46 | Kirov | Though I'm going to be leaving for lunch soon as well. |
| 19:05.56 | krka | KTwombley how? |
| 19:06.07 | krka | i find NO references of this online at all |
| 19:06.15 | krka | and many many of the contrary |
| 19:06.20 | TeBeCo | is i past it on a wall on the web someone could healp me to complete it ? |
| 19:06.57 | Industrial` | http://pastebin.ca/91588 |
| 19:07.05 | Kirov | TeBeCo - ChatFrame_OnEvent is a function that already exists in the game. It's the one that is used to add messages to your chat frames. You're hooking the already existing frame to prevent the messages aimed at your addon from getting shown in the chat log. |
| 19:08.19 | KTwombley | here is a scholarly article |
| 19:08.19 | KTwombley | http://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/41/7/459 |
| 19:08.35 | KTwombley | it's pay for play, though, so I'll try to find another. |
| 19:09.42 | Kirov | TeBeCo - The last chunk of code on that pages should be copy and pasted exactly with the only change being CHAT_MSG_SAY changed to CHAT_MSG_WHISPER and then you need to see if the whisper is intended for your mod or not (usually by adding some sort of unique header to the start of the message) and then not allow it to pass through to the original function. |
| 19:10.21 | TeBeCo | Kirov> I'm french so it's difficult to understand technical, LUA, coding in french, but in american/english , ... REALLY difficult |
| 19:10.38 | TeBeCo | in about 5 minute i'll have finish to decode it ^^ |
| 19:10.56 | Industrial` | Can anyone help me with http://pastebin.ca/91588 ? |
| 19:12.11 | Kirov | Industrial - I'll look at that when I get back |
| 19:12.14 | Kirov | lunch for me |
| 19:12.29 | JoshBorke | Industrial: was ist los? |
| 19:12.52 | Industrial` | JoshBorke, all in the pastebin. |
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| 19:13.02 | JoshBorke | can you mix [] and . notation? |
| 19:13.02 | Industrial` | description of this post |
| 19:13.02 | Industrial` | Why does this not load a frame at the same position? |
| 19:13.12 | JoshBorke | haha, i missed the description =D |
| 19:13.18 | Industrial` | JoshBorke, yes, but [] offers use of variables |
| 19:14.14 | Industrial` | a={} a.1='foo' ... a.n='foo' for i=1,n do print(a[i]) end |
| 19:14.28 | JoshBorke | shouldn't you be checking for self.db.profile.Position[Unit] rather than just self.db.profile.Position? |
| 19:14.35 | krka | actually |
| 19:14.46 | krka | a.1 means a["1"] |
| 19:14.49 | krka | not a[1] |
| 19:14.55 | JoshBorke | yea, i know the difference between Position[Unit] and Position.Unit ;-) just curious if you can do Position[Unit].x |
| 19:14.59 | Industrial` | oh yeah |
| 19:15.14 | krka | is a.<num> even legal? better test |
| 19:15.18 | Industrial` | JoshBorke, yes. |
| 19:15.24 | Industrial` | krka, i believe so |
| 19:15.27 | JoshBorke | krka: think so |
| 19:15.33 | End | doesn't look like it |
| 19:15.36 | Industrial` | JoshBorke, what line? |
| 19:15.41 | End | `=' expected near `.1' |
| 19:15.49 | Cide | no |
| 19:15.55 | krka | nope. illegal |
| 19:15.58 | Cide | have to use [] for numbers |
| 19:16.27 | JoshBorke | Industrial: line 3, you're checking for self.db.profile.Position and then assuming self.db.profile.Position[Unit] exists |
| 19:16.59 | Industrial` | ah crap, you're right |
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| 19:17.17 | JoshBorke | but that's a minor thing |
| 19:17.20 | Industrial` | yeah |
| 19:17.27 | Industrial` | the problem is that it doesnt load where it saves |
| 19:17.31 | JoshBorke | does it save? |
| 19:17.59 | Industrial` | yes |
| 19:18.20 | Industrial` | loads about 20-30 pixels to the top of where it saves on my screen |
| 19:18.24 | Industrial` | could it be scaling issues? |
| 19:18.56 | Industrial` | (you'd think GetTop() and GetLeft() already work with scaling) |
| 19:21.06 | JoshBorke | i think it might by affected by scale |
| 19:21.19 | Industrial` | hm |
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| 19:21.32 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates under frame scaled coordinates |
| 19:22.18 | JoshBorke | but quite honestly, it beats me |
| 19:22.22 | JoshBorke | :-) |
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| 19:26.04 | Industrial` | k |
| 19:26.08 | Industrial` | thanks ill read that |
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| 19:27.21 | Shadowed | Eh, why is IsInInstance() return two arguments? |
| 19:27.55 | Shadowed | Deeprun tram isn't considered an instance, doing a dump anywhere besides like stockades returns nothing. doing a /dump in stockades returns 1,1... |
| 19:29.47 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 19:30.37 | krka | hm... is IsInInstance new? |
| 19:30.52 | AnduinLothar | 1.11 |
| 19:30.52 | Shadowed | 1.10 i believe? |
| 19:30.53 | krka | i could swear it didn't exist when i did MapLibrary.IsInInstance |
| 19:30.53 | Shadowed | or that |
| 19:31.21 | AnduinLothar | cladhaire around? |
| 19:31.23 | Shadowed | Don't think it was ever mentioned that it returned two arguments |
| 19:31.25 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: question about your IsCasting mod |
| 19:31.29 | End | probably what it says is instanced or not is just based on the number of copies that can exist |
| 19:31.36 | End | there is only ever one deeprun tram |
| 19:32.01 | End | (I'm guessing though) |
| 19:32.08 | AnduinLothar | yes josh? |
| 19:32.10 | Shadowed | Wonder why it's returning two arguments then though |
| 19:32.20 | End | I dunno why there are two args though |
| 19:32.25 | End | er, two returns |
| 19:32.27 | End | whatever |
| 19:32.37 | End | yeah, I dunno why that is |
| 19:32.37 | krka | check how blizzard uses it? |
| 19:33.13 | Shadowed | *may* have forgotten to do that krka |
| 19:33.25 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: erm, nvm, i just realized how you're doing it :-D |
| 19:33.44 | End | instance type |
| 19:33.51 | Shadowed | except I don't see any usage of IsInInstance in the LUA or XML code |
| 19:33.59 | End | inInstance, instanceType = IsInInstance() |
| 19:34.07 | krka | check WorldStateFrame |
| 19:34.24 | End | what the hell |
| 19:34.29 | krka | end beat me |
| 19:34.29 | End | instanceType is supposed to be a string |
| 19:34.42 | End | or at least |
| 19:34.44 | End | it can be "pvp" |
| 19:35.01 | krka | good thing lua is untyped :) |
| 19:35.05 | Shadowed | err reextracts |
| 19:35.06 | krka | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ FTW |
| 19:35.11 | Shadowed | lies |
| 19:35.12 | krka | i just downloaded the latest zip |
| 19:35.30 | End | so did I |
| 19:35.35 | End | then I grepped it |
| 19:35.46 | Shadowed | aha |
| 19:35.47 | krka | same here |
| 19:35.50 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:35.51 | Shadowed | They started using it in 1.12 not 1.11 |
| 19:35.53 | krka | you are faster than me :/ |
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| 19:36.09 | Shadowed | so taking a guess, it'll return a string on the 0.12 PTR |
| 19:36.16 | krka | end has greater grep-fu than me :/ |
| 19:36.33 | End | Shadowed: yeah number, string |
| 19:36.53 | End | although, it only indicates the second value -can- be a string, not that it -has- to |
| 19:36.56 | Shadowed | Actually, this also explains why stuff like Warsong Gulch scores aren't showing until somebody picks up/drop/captures the flag. |
| 19:36.59 | End | (likely it always is though) |
| 19:37.01 | Shadowed | Yeah i'm looking at it |
| 19:37.55 | End | they put the IsInInstance() check in the "wrong" place though |
| 19:38.08 | End | it doesn't belong in the for loop |
| 19:38.10 | End | ;p |
| 19:38.15 | End | (I'm just being picky though) |
| 19:38.24 | End | oh |
| 19:38.26 | Shadowed | haha |
| 19:38.38 | krka | good point! |
| 19:38.47 | krka | blizzards lua is imperfect on many places though |
| 19:38.51 | End | hmm |
| 19:38.56 | End | yeah, we knew that though |
| 19:39.13 | Shadowed | It also looks like they are making it so you can show the battlefield minimap for world PVP. |
| 19:39.15 | krka | doesn't really matter though... it's still fast enough |
| 19:39.20 | End | yeah |
| 19:39.27 | End | like I said, I'm just being picky :P |
| 19:39.37 | krka | me too |
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| 19:50.32 | Beladona | hopefully when I get the functions section done on wdn, you can easily see everywhere that those functions are being used |
| 19:50.47 | Shadowed | yay for Beladona! |
| 19:50.51 | TeBeCo | to "convert" a string to lower case it "string.lower(s)" or "string.lowar(s)" |
| 19:50.58 | krka | that's not even theoretically possible :P |
| 19:51.30 | Beladona | where did string.lowar come from? |
| 19:51.32 | krka | but you can come close enough i suppose |
| 19:51.36 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:51.40 | End | same place string.lover() came from! |
| 19:51.50 | krka | and stingy.lover() |
| 19:51.55 | Beladona | string.getaroom |
| 19:52.17 | Beladona | but lets face it |
| 19:52.31 | Beladona | none of those come even close to the awesome wonder that is "string.thong" |
| 19:52.36 | End | lol |
| 19:52.40 | TeBeCo | lover ? gnin ? |
| 19:53.11 | Kirov | back |
| 19:53.28 | End | side! |
| 19:53.43 | Shadowed | you're suppose to say front! |
| 19:53.45 | Shadowed | ~slap End |
| 19:53.46 | purl | ACTION slaps End, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:54.55 | Kirov | TeBeCo - any progress? |
| 19:55.58 | Kirov | Industrial` - so, you're getting the top and left of a frame, then setting its bottom and left |
| 19:56.11 | Kirov | Which means it's going to pop up |
| 19:57.03 | Industrial` | well thats kinda vague |
| 19:57.06 | Industrial` | because |
| 19:57.11 | Industrial` | a frame has 4 corners |
| 19:57.16 | Industrial` | what top and what left are you getting? |
| 19:57.26 | Kirov | The frame's top and left extents |
| 19:57.38 | TeBeCo | Kirov> yep :) |
| 19:57.46 | TeBeCo | Kirov> hook work succesfully |
| 19:57.54 | Industrial` | ah right, I was thinking in points :P |
| 19:57.59 | Industrial` | hmmm |
| 19:58.00 | TeBeCo | Kirov> now i have to check substring into :) |
| 19:58.21 | TeBeCo | in comparaison with C/VB/.net, ... |
| 19:58.33 | TeBeCo | Lua is really bad in term of syntax |
| 19:58.46 | Kirov | TeBeCo - string.find(msg, "^"..header); |
| 19:58.56 | TeBeCo | i really don't like the syntax for it but ... dont have the choice |
| 19:59.00 | Kirov | Lua's syntax has some oddities, for sure |
| 19:59.06 | Kirov | ~= for example |
| 19:59.09 | TeBeCo | just a second |
| 19:59.14 | Kirov | pisses me off every time I write it |
| 19:59.14 | TeBeCo | <Kirov> TeBeCo - string.find(msg, "^"..header); |
| 19:59.20 | TeBeCo | why do you ues "^" ? |
| 19:59.23 | TeBeCo | *use |
| 19:59.31 | AnduinLothar | beg og line |
| 19:59.41 | Kirov | beg og line? |
| 19:59.44 | TeBeCo | ... can"t translate it in french |
| 19:59.52 | TeBeCo | so don't understand "beg og line" |
| 19:59.58 | Kirov | I can't translate in english, so, don't worry. |
| 20:00.13 | AnduinLothar | carat = beggining of the line |
| 20:00.17 | Kirov | ^ means that the regular expression starts from the begging of the line. |
| 20:00.26 | Kirov | beggining |
| 20:00.47 | Industrial` | Kirov, you win it works |
| 20:00.51 | Industrial` | =P |
| 20:00.57 | Industrial` | GetBottom() \o/ |
| 20:01.31 | Kirov | string.find("Blah", "^Blah") == true, string.find("NotBlah", "^Blah") == false |
| 20:02.05 | Kirov | TeBeCo - also, one thing you need to remember about Lua, nil evaluates to false, anything else evaluates to true. |
| 20:02.28 | krka | nil _and_ false evaulates to false |
| 20:02.34 | TeBeCo | is this syntax is good for you => |
| 20:02.36 | TeBeCo | if ((string.find(string.lower(arg1), "eau")) |
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| 20:03.15 | Kirov | TeBeCo - That means if, anywhere in your message, there's a "eau", it'll evaluate true |
| 20:03.35 | TeBeCo | ok fine :) |
| 20:03.57 | TeBeCo | addon for mage, witch don't want to be spam "water and bread plzzzzzzzzz" |
| 20:04.07 | TeBeCo | aaaaa absolut calm ^^ |
| 20:04.34 | Kirov | What exactly are you looking to do? |
| 20:04.48 | TeBeCo | block all wisper where some words appear |
| 20:05.01 | Industrial` | Anyone wanna try out my unitframes? ^^ player and target done party in the making |
| 20:05.12 | TeBeCo | the word "eau", "pain", "bread", "water" ^^ |
| 20:05.18 | Kirov | can't at the moment, at work. |
| 20:05.23 | Industrial` | kay |
| 20:05.32 | TeBeCo | Kirov> don't understood .... |
| 20:05.46 | Kirov | TeBeCo - I was responding to Industrial` |
| 20:05.50 | TeBeCo | ok :) |
| 20:06.06 | Kirov | what is eau? |
| 20:06.07 | TeBeCo | Kirov> one last pb to this little addon |
| 20:06.14 | TeBeCo | french translation of "water" |
| 20:06.17 | Kirov | ah |
| 20:06.23 | TeBeCo | item that give up "mana" |
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| 20:06.28 | Kirov | Right |
| 20:06.39 | TeBeCo | i play on frensh serv |
| 20:06.53 | TeBeCo | so "eau" is better than "water" |
| 20:07.12 | TeBeCo | but there a lot of chinese farmer, who are not really plaisant too |
| 20:07.30 | TeBeCo | never a word, just exig you all they want ... |
| 20:07.53 | Kirov | local msg = string.lower(arg1); |
| 20:07.53 | Kirov | if ( string.find(msg, "eau") or string.find(msg, "pain") or string.find(msg, "bread") or string.find(msg, "water") ) then |
| 20:08.05 | TeBeCo | no bigger :) |
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| 20:08.12 | TeBeCo | string.lower is better :) |
| 20:08.24 | TeBeCo | cause "eau" "eAu" .... mus work |
| 20:08.33 | TeBeCo | if ((string.find(string.lower(arg1), "eau")) or (string.find(string.lower(arg1), "pain")) or (string.find(string.lower(arg1), "water")) or (string.find(string.lower(arg1), "bread"))) then |
| 20:09.01 | Kirov | the local msg = string.lower(arg1) at the start does that |
| 20:09.09 | Kirov | prevents you from having to do it 4 times |
| 20:09.15 | TeBeCo | a ok |
| 20:09.20 | TeBeCo | i havent seen it |
| 20:09.22 | TeBeCo | sorry :) |
| 20:09.31 | Kirov | lua variables are global unless otherwise defined |
| 20:09.40 | TeBeCo | right :) |
| 20:09.40 | Kirov | unlike c++ |
| 20:11.22 | TeBeCo | Kirov> jsut a last question i think |
| 20:11.33 | TeBeCo | how could i send a whisp to some one else ? |
| 20:11.46 | TeBeCo | i really don't no any function name :) |
| 20:12.14 | cogwheel | SendChatMessage("message","WHISPER",nil,"playername") |
| 20:12.26 | TeBeCo | kiss :) |
| 20:14.26 | TeBeCo | let's chek it all :) |
| 20:20.11 | TeBeCo | on the "MSG_CHAT_WISPER" |
| 20:20.22 | TeBeCo | the nickname of origin is arg? |
| 20:20.32 | TeBeCo | a don't remember the number |
| 20:20.39 | TeBeCo | *i don't remember |
| 20:21.03 | TeBeCo | arg1 is his message |
| 20:21.14 | TeBeCo | i wanna get his nickname :) |
| 20:21.41 | krka | TeBeCo read the wiki |
| 20:21.44 | krka | it's all there |
| 20:21.47 | TeBeCo | :) |
| 20:21.58 | TeBeCo | i'll do it ^^ |
| 20:23.52 | Mery | or get devtools and send yourself a whisper after enabling /dtchatevent |
| 20:44.34 | wereHamster | as I right to day that overriding MPQ files isn't possible anymore? |
| 20:44.44 | wereHamster | like files in FrameXML or icons etc |
| 20:45.13 | wereHamster | s/day/say/ |
| 20:45.20 | Kirov | well, it's possible, the game just won't let you load wow. =) |
| 20:45.47 | Kirov | And, I was poking around and aparently some people have found a work around to get it to work again. |
| 20:46.03 | Kirov | ... but, technically, no, it's not possible. |
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| 20:55.01 | krka | yay http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/81930.aspx |
| 20:55.26 | krka | you'd think the coder would have thought something like this after the first 20 lines... "hmm, i wonder if this is the best way to do it..." |
| 20:56.16 | Shadowed | ....................... |
| 20:56.45 | Shadowed | wow |
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| 20:57.09 | rallion | that's scary |
| 20:57.29 | Shadowed | that is pretty scary |
| 20:57.54 | Shadowed | hey Iriel |
| 20:58.14 | End | I can't help but notice as and do are changed to _as and _do |
| 20:58.16 | Iriel | Afternoon |
| 20:59.40 | cogwheel | That's almost what I have to deal with.... Access+VBA+DAO+ADO+Really bad original program makes me an unhappy maintainer. |
| 21:00.03 | rallion | I'm already an unhappy maintaner on things that I designed and wrote myself. |
| 21:00.31 | cogwheel | No kidding... i look back at some of my code from when i was nine and my head begins to hurt. |
| 21:00.55 | rallion | I look back on code from about a year ago, and it's more nausea than a headache. |
| 21:00.59 | MoonWolf | cogwheel in a way that is good |
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| 21:01.13 | Iriel | I'm lucky that none of the code from my early years is accessible to me anymore |
| 21:01.13 | MoonWolf | it shows you have at least LEARNED and IMPROVED. |
| 21:01.21 | MoonWolf | unlike some programmers. |
| 21:01.27 | cogwheel | hehe... too true |
| 21:01.36 | Shadowed | usually i spend more time trying to figure out what I was thinking then seeing improvements |
| 21:01.47 | End | nonsense, I was born a genius programmer! |
| 21:01.50 | End | ;p |
| 21:01.54 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 21:02.00 | rallion | It's funny, actually, the programs that I've decided to not work on anymore are actually much nicer to look at than the ones I'd like to make changes to... |
| 21:02.01 | Shadowed | go post some old examples and will see :p |
| 21:02.12 | Kirov | popped out of the womb with a book on assembly |
| 21:02.13 | End | I wish I had some old examples actually |
| 21:02.25 | End | just because I'm curious on what my old code looked like |
| 21:02.50 | MoonWolf | my wow addons are the first code of me that is out for others to look at. |
| 21:03.04 | MoonWolf | i have a lot of qbasic visual stuff around |
| 21:03.08 | cogwheel | http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/ppong.cpp |
| 21:03.17 | cogwheel | Try to wrap your brain around that one... |
| 21:03.30 | MoonWolf | fractals random patterns self playing worms. |
| 21:03.45 | MoonWolf | basically screensavers for dos |
| 21:04.31 | rallion | oooh, I LOVE huge huge arrays that only contain two distinct values. |
| 21:04.33 | MoonWolf | what is that numbers thing goof for ? and why the hell is a char ? |
| 21:06.22 | cogwheel | It's a psychedelic pong-like game. the first array is a bunch of bitmaps for numbers 0-9. it uses chars because it's in 256 color mode. the second array defines the color scheme |
| 21:07.35 | cogwheel | Can you tell i hadn't really learned what a symbolic constant was at that point? |
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| 21:09.56 | Tain | Oh crap, Microsoft bought Sysinternals. |
| 21:10.15 | MoonWolf | God damn, You are kidding... right ? |
| 21:10.26 | Tain | No. :( http://www.winternals.com/Faq.aspx |
| 21:10.28 | cogwheel | i wish i were... |
| 21:10.40 | MoonWolf | there go the good tools |
| 21:10.54 | End | quick, mirror them all! |
| 21:11.02 | MoonWolf | everybody download the free stuff and put it in safe places while you still can. |
| 21:11.04 | Tain | Exactly, grab them all while you can. |
| 21:11.30 | Cide | hmm, any idea why "Test" shows up in black? GameTooltip:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_CURSOR"); GameTooltip:SetText("Test"); |
| 21:11.46 | Cide | never seen that happen before, it's always been {1, 0.82, 0} ("gold") |
| 21:13.03 | Iriel | SetText rather than AddLine? |
| 21:13.45 | Cide | nevermind. I'm an idiot |
| 21:13.59 | End | were you specifically setting it to black or something? ;p |
| 21:14.17 | End | because...that'd totally be something I'd do |
| 21:15.21 | Cide | I didn't actually use "Test", I used a function that returned "Test", but I had it return "Test", 0 for some reason (don't ask why) |
| 21:16.00 | End | hehe |
| 21:16.32 | Cide | has anyone tried if we can have multiple frames moving at the same time? |
| 21:16.42 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 21:16.48 | Cide | I seem to recall that the UI doesn't like that |
| 21:17.01 | Kirov | like, call :StartMoving() on many frames at the same time? |
| 21:17.04 | Cide | frame1:StartMoving(); frame2:StartMoving() |
| 21:17.05 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:17.16 | Kirov | Not tried it myself |
| 21:18.31 | Cide | nope, can only have one frame moving at a time |
| 21:18.34 | Cide | too bad :( |
| 21:18.40 | Iriel | It's not hard to simulate |
| 21:18.50 | Kirov | OnUpdate ftw! |
| 21:18.50 | Iriel | I've done it two different ways, one by anchoring the other frames to the moving one |
| 21:18.59 | Cide | yeah, that's what I did before, too |
| 21:19.01 | Iriel | and two by explicitly moving them all OnUpdate |
| 21:19.24 | Cide | calling :StartMoving() on all frames involved would just be easier, and I'm lazy |
| 21:19.29 | Kirov | I hate dealing with the various scales when doing dragging |
| 21:19.49 | Cide | same, but that partly comes from not completely understanding it, I guess |
| 21:20.13 | Iriel | That's where anchors come in handy |
| 21:20.19 | Iriel | you only have to worry about scales when you set the anchors up |
| 21:20.31 | Kirov | frame:GetCenter() frame:GetEffectiveScale(), move everthing in cursor space, convert back on SetPoint() |
| 21:20.32 | Iriel | and it's only the relative effective scales of the frames in question |
| 21:22.01 | Kirov | Oh, and I'm forgetting the offset |
| 21:23.30 | rallion | you guys are making me nervous, I'm trying to learn what I need to know to make my own addon, and this is what I have to look at |
| 21:24.26 | Kirov | rallion - don't worry, we just enjoy abusing ourselves with complex systems. |
| 21:26.15 | rallion | Well...so do I, I write programs with 8, 9 levels of inheritance |
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| 21:51.02 | Tem | hnn |
| 21:51.03 | Tem | hmm |
| 21:51.10 | Tem | anyone know where the premade copy is? |
| 21:51.13 | Tem | I can't seem to find it |
| 21:51.28 | Kirov | premade copy? |
| 21:51.50 | End | http://test.worldofwarcraft.com/us/copy/character-copy.html |
| 21:52.06 | Tem | Thanks En |
| 21:52.07 | Tem | d |
| 21:52.09 | End | np |
| 21:52.45 | End | oh, that explains what happened the copy I made on friday o_O |
| 21:53.01 | End | apparently you get 2 premade copies and 4 existing character copies |
| 21:53.26 | AnduinLothar | orly? i couldn't find the existing copy.. |
| 21:53.38 | End | https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/character-copy.html |
| 21:54.27 | End | (it's being slow though...) |
| 21:54.37 | End | (there we go) |
| 21:57.20 | rallion | If anybody has interest in seeing a fun trailer for a crazy-looking first-person puzzle/action game... http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/portal/clips-first-look-at-valves-portal-188140.php |
| 22:00.54 | Kirov | yeowzer |
| 22:05.28 | Mikk | fun! |
| 22:09.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey, you published reURL, AL :D |
| 22:10.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | any changes from the version you gave me a few months back, other than TOC? D: |
| 22:15.00 | kaso| | i've got this problem, i'm hookinh SetItemRef too add stuff to the ItemRefTooltip, the problem is im doing ClearLine() before i add the info. then when someone clicks on the item again that would normally hide the tooltip, because its been cleared, the SetHyperlink in the SetItemRef just reshows the tooltip rather than hiding like it should. I've tried to get around it by using this code: http://wow.pastecode.com/1625 |
| 22:15.12 | kaso| | woah, that was long |
| 22:16.04 | Legorol | ~seen Cairenn |
| 22:16.17 | purl | cairenn is currently on #wowi-lounge (7h 28m 45s) #wowace (7h 28m 45s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 4h 53m 30s, last said: 'yeah, I absolutely hate the new name ... enough so that I'm considering going back to Telo's'. |
| 22:16.17 | Legorol | hmm.. how do i do this? |
| 22:20.08 | Tain | Jon Stewart clip on the Net Neutrality and Online Gambling bills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DClkE64nFDY |
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| 22:23.42 | rallion | That clip is one for the ages |
| 22:24.51 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Whats up? |
| 22:27.55 | Shadowed | Iriel: do you happen to know if it's possible to communicate with people on another server during a battleground besides using /bg? |
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| 22:29.00 | zespri_work | it would be pretty stupid if you unable to talk to ppl from other server if they are in your group/raid and you do /p or /r |
| 22:29.08 | Abenadi | Does anyone else use WoW UID and suddenly buttons no longer show their text? (in-design or in-game)? |
| 22:29.37 | Shadowed | zespri: I mean in terms of being able to communicate for mods, the current SendAddonMessage wont work for the battleground raid group, and with cross server battlegrounds you're kind of screwed if you want to use a sync channel |
| 22:30.09 | zespri_work | oh I see |
| 22:31.33 | Abenadi | ... if not, I would appreciate it if someone experienced could tell me why the button text for my $parentDone button doesn't show up in-game. The xml file is at http://kelthuzad.net/PriestCraft.xml |
| 22:34.37 | rallion | Heh, wow, somehow I didn't realize how much would be involved in making an inventory addon |
| 22:35.03 | Cide | specify a NormalFont |
| 22:35.19 | Cide | or what it's called, I forgot |
| 22:35.39 | Shadowed | GameFontNormal? |
| 22:36.35 | Cide | <NormalFont inherits="GameFontHighlight"/> |
| 22:36.36 | Cide | <HighlightFont inherits="GameFontHighlight"/> |
| 22:36.36 | Cide | <DisabledFont inherits="GameFontDisable"/> |
| 22:36.39 | Cide | add that |
| 22:36.46 | Cide | (or just inherit GameMenuButtonTemplate) |
| 22:37.26 | Abenadi | so I can just change it to <Button name="$parentDone" text="Done" inherits="GameMenuButtonTemplate"> ? |
| 22:37.36 | Cide | yes |
| 22:37.42 | Abenadi | thanks a bunch |
| 22:37.59 | Cide | np |
| 22:39.36 | Abenadi | hmmm that doesn't show up in WoW UID still, hopefully will show up in-game |
| 22:41.13 | Thrae | OK, to load an addon on-demand, you use LoadAddon, right? |
| 22:41.33 | AnduinLothar | LoadWith ftw |
| 22:42.19 | Thrae | No no, I set LoadOnDemand: 1 for two addons, and I don't want to load them unless they're used. |
| 22:42.21 | End | LoadWith might not be what Thrae wants (although LoadWidth does make LoD a lot more useful) |
| 22:42.35 | Kirov | rallion - try making an action button addon |
| 22:42.50 | End | obviously s/Width/With/ |
| 22:43.27 | Thrae | The API to load a LoD addon IS LoadAddon, right? |
| 22:43.38 | Kirov | LoadAddOn |
| 22:43.41 | Kirov | ? |
| 22:44.37 | Thrae | Yes, I meant LoadAddOn |
| 22:44.51 | Legorol | load the LoD with Load |
| 22:44.55 | Legorol | haha, i'm not funny |
| 22:45.08 | Thrae | Legorol: Eh? |
| 22:45.15 | End | no, you really aren't funny at all >_< |
| 22:45.23 | Legorol | see? told you.. |
| 22:45.59 | Thrae | If I have all my addons enabled, LoadAddon is causing an infinite loop. |
| 22:46.33 | Thrae | I guess I need to do the damned enable-one-addon-at-a-time march |
| 22:48.04 | Legorol | it shouldn't... in principle |
| 22:48.17 | Legorol | slouken claimed that loading LoadAddOn on an AddOn that is already loaded is completely safe |
| 22:48.33 | Thrae | The addon isn't loaded yet. |
| 22:48.44 | Thrae | LoadOnDemand: 1 |
| 22:49.27 | Legorol | ah sorry my bad |
| 22:49.33 | Legorol | enabled ~= loaded |
| 22:50.32 | zespri_work | is there any guestimate on when the expansion is scheduled to be released? |
| 22:50.48 | End-afk | someday |
| 22:51.00 | zespri_work | in december 2005 I was sure it would be april-may 2006 |
| 22:53.13 | zespri_work | so blizz didn;t give any time lime and nothing was leaked? the year at least =) |
| 22:57.50 | Gryphon | late 2006 is all they have said |
| 22:58.02 | Legorol | zespri, Blizz always gives tentative ETA, and is always late ;-) |
| 22:58.11 | Legorol | they always work on it till they feel it's ready |
| 22:58.14 | Kirov | late 2006 means some time around 2009 |
| 22:58.16 | Legorol | it may very well be 2007 ;-) |
| 22:58.39 | End-afk | Warcraft III in particular had a long time to get to release |
| 22:58.47 | Legorol | so did WoW |
| 22:58.57 | Legorol | Warcraft III: i heard about it when it was in shops already |
| 22:59.04 | End-afk | WoW wasn't nearly as bad |
| 22:59.11 | Legorol | WoW: waited for it for 2 years |
| 22:59.39 | End-afk | Warcraft III was either supposed to beta in Oct. '98 or release (I forget which) |
| 23:10.54 | zespri_work | right |
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| 23:17.56 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/3802326.html?style=mine#cutid1 |
| 23:17.58 | Wobin | omg so cute |
| 23:18.16 | Shadowed | the eyessssssss |
| 23:18.18 | Kirov | SilverShadow-CG - you here? |
| 23:18.23 | Shadowed | those eye evils |
| 23:19.44 | zespri_work | lol http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-shaman/672007.htm |
| 23:19.48 | zespri_work | after all this hype |
| 23:20.06 | zespri_work | I just don't understand how these things can happen |
| 23:20.30 | Shadowed | I wonder why they though they'd get away with it too |
| 23:21.17 | zespri_work | the thing is Shadowed, they can get away with *anything*, well, almost anything |
| 23:22.27 | Shadowed | well, get away with it and not having half the community hating them forever |
| 23:23.01 | zespri_work | they did lots of nerfs so whoever is susceptable to hatred already hates them |
| 23:23.16 | Shadowed | making an entire faction hate you > making a class! |
| 23:23.41 | zespri_work | I don't beleive that they suddenly got afraid of community and hurried to change it back |
| 23:23.44 | Shadowed | it was a fairly pointless change overall anyway, they should have just made it so you can't hamstring spam to proc it |
| 23:24.25 | Kirov | It's the "Look, we're nerfing Shamans to hell, we don't really love them more than the rest of you ... oh, wait, if we do that Shamans won't be godly enough ... *undo*" |
| 23:24.48 | Shadowed | They did add global LFG though after people complained when they removed the joining city channels outside of the area |
| 23:25.38 | zespri_work | they promised to bring citiy chanels back but they didn't... i think |
| 23:25.50 | Shadowed | they did |
| 23:26.03 | Shadowed | first they made LFG global in all the major cities, then they added the global LFG channel anywhere |
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| 23:27.26 | zespri_work | I'd pay ten bucks to find out the *real* reasonwhy they reversed the WF change |
| 23:27.59 | zespri_work | but we will never know |
| 23:28.12 | Shadowed | probably because they actually did the math or looked at it and realized how big of a nerf it would have been |
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| 23:33.55 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is World of Warcraft Mod Dev Discussions |
| 23:37.17 | AnduinLothar | ? |
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| 23:46.19 | Mikma | purl: welcome |
| 23:46.21 | purl | thx |
| 23:47.00 | cladhaire | i'll take a look, didn't see it before i left work |
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| 23:49.06 | cladhaire | The reason for the suggestion was that SPELLCAST_STOP is useless without yoru library.. and it makes sense to have it as part of the library, so there's a pseudo-event, or some method of callbacks when a spell is successfully cast. That was my original idea. |
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| 23:50.56 | AnduinLothar | mmm, what would you use it for? |
| 23:52.00 | cladhaire | just have a RegisterCallback or somethign that takes a function. Not really sure, just making the suggestion. |
| 23:53.48 | AnduinLothar | yeah, most of the things i could think that the lib would be useful for are on start cast... i couldn't really think of anythign that needs to know when it ends.. |
| 23:54.06 | cladhaire | spells that track healing do |
| 23:54.13 | AnduinLothar | like what? |
| 23:54.36 | cladhaire | if I cast Renew.. I need to know I cast it.. so I know that I spent X mana to heal for Y |
| 23:54.47 | cladhaire | I had to use it all in Bishop |
| 23:55.09 | cladhaire | You can't reactively check overhealing on a HoT.. you have to know how much to expect at spellcast |
| 23:55.19 | cladhaire | maybe its a niche example, that's why it was just a suggestion =) |
| 23:56.49 | AnduinLothar | when you have BA do your tooltips change cast time to 0? |
| 23:57.09 | Shadowed | probably, i'd imagine it would follow the same rules as when you cast nature's swiftness |
| 23:57.14 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I believe so |
| 23:57.23 | AnduinLothar | good |
| 23:58.17 | AnduinLothar | mmk, if i add a callback when should i call it? |
| 23:58.33 | AnduinLothar | and should it be diff for instants? |
| 23:58.59 | cladhaire | well it should mainly be for instants, but it should be after SPELLCAST_STOP,and just have the basic information sent as args |
| 23:59.02 | cladhaire | was my thought |
| 23:59.09 | AnduinLothar | and has anyone found a good way to hook RegisterEvent ? |
| 23:59.27 | Kirov | On all frames, or just one? |
| 23:59.31 | AnduinLothar | all |
| 23:59.44 | Kirov | Why would you? |
| 23:59.55 | Kirov | er |
| 23:59.59 | AnduinLothar | to add events |