| 00:00.06 | Kirov | yeah, that just dawned on me |
| 00:00.22 | Kirov | What happens if you register a non existant event? |
| 00:00.27 | AnduinLothar | cause if you could hook it it'd be easy to generate fake events |
| 00:00.34 | AnduinLothar | does nothing |
| 00:00.40 | Kirov | No error? |
| 00:00.44 | AnduinLothar | dont think so |
| 00:01.25 | AnduinLothar | nope, no error |
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| 00:01.40 | Kirov | hmm... unfortunatly there's no GetRegisteredEvents() |
| 00:01.52 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:01.53 | Kirov | and I seem to remember slouken saying he wouldn't add one |
| 00:01.57 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:04.06 | AnduinLothar | mmm |
| 00:04.19 | Kirov | I guess the only way would be the ugly EnumerateFrames way |
| 00:04.25 | AnduinLothar | i think you can hook RegisterEvent if you do it before the frame is created |
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| 00:04.46 | Kirov | That's one thing I don't really understand. |
| 00:05.18 | Kirov | The RegisterEvent() function exists on each frame, independantly? |
| 00:05.18 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, nope |
| 00:05.36 | AnduinLothar | wonder where the orig is.. |
| 00:06.31 | AnduinLothar | spose i could have them IsCasting.RegisterEvent(frame, "SPELLCAST_SUCCESS") |
| 00:07.59 | AnduinLothar | or IsCasting.RegisterFrame(frame) |
| 00:08.18 | AnduinLothar | and then maybe frame:RegisterEvent("SPELLCAST_SUCCESS") |
| 00:09.34 | AnduinLothar | meh, none of theses is really better thana callback.. |
| 00:10.31 | AnduinLothar | anyway... instant casts are easy to catch now |
| 00:10.48 | cladhaire | what made it so easy? |
| 00:11.38 | Kirov | http://wow.pastecode.com/1634 |
| 00:11.45 | AnduinLothar | just register SPELLCAST_START and if IsCasting.GetSpellCastTime() == 0 then |
| 00:11.47 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 00:11.58 | AnduinLothar | SPELLCAST_STOP |
| 00:12.26 | Kirov | just need to run HookRegEvent on VARIABLES_LOADED and any ADDON_LOADED after, as well as hook CreateFrame |
| 00:12.30 | zespri_work | when I enter a BG queue and the window display only "First Available" does this means that nobody playing in this particular BG in the moment? |
| 00:13.08 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 00:13.11 | AnduinLothar | well |
| 00:13.12 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 00:13.30 | AnduinLothar | i dunno |
| 00:13.33 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 00:13.42 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - check out that pastebin? |
| 00:14.03 | AnduinLothar | yeah, doesn't work |
| 00:14.10 | Kirov | doesn't? |
| 00:14.13 | Kirov | why not? |
| 00:14.25 | AnduinLothar | sory, misread |
| 00:14.27 | AnduinLothar | mmm |
| 00:14.46 | AnduinLothar | so just use EnumerateFrames to hook all registerevents then? |
| 00:15.05 | Kirov | The unfortunate thing is authors would have to delay registering of that event. |
| 00:15.12 | Kirov | oh, and actually it's easier isn't it |
| 00:15.22 | Kirov | You can't register multiple events in a single RegisterEvent() |
| 00:15.33 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:16.44 | Kirov | they'd have to make sure they register the event OnShow or something silly like that |
| 00:16.53 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that's no good if they can't reg events onload |
| 00:17.10 | Kirov | Since if they do it OnLoad it would be before it was hooked. |
| 00:17.38 | AnduinLothar | would work for dynamicframe |
| 00:17.43 | Kirov | yeah |
| 00:17.57 | AnduinLothar | but that;s not good enough |
| 00:18.06 | AnduinLothar | and a crapload of hooks |
| 00:18.06 | Kirov | hook createFrame, do the hook, return the frame |
| 00:18.27 | Kirov | aye |
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| 00:19.05 | AnduinLothar | prolly worth it's own lib if we got it perfect anyway |
| 00:19.18 | AnduinLothar | ability to add your own events to any frame |
| 00:19.27 | cladhaire | why are we hooking all registerevents? |
| 00:19.33 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:19.38 | AnduinLothar | we aren't, just a thought |
| 00:19.45 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:19.54 | AnduinLothar | brainstorming ways to fake events |
| 00:20.06 | AnduinLothar | faking the event itself is easy |
| 00:20.19 | AnduinLothar | getting it to register with RegisterEvent is near impossible |
| 00:20.58 | AnduinLothar | unless maybe they could inherit a frame.. |
| 00:21.09 | AnduinLothar | bah, btu the onload replaces.. |
| 00:21.22 | cladhaire | RegisterEvent should be a shared method. |
| 00:21.25 | cladhaire | i believe |
| 00:21.36 | AnduinLothar | ya, but what's the orig called? |
| 00:21.53 | cladhaire | doesn't matter, they should all be the same |
| 00:22.15 | AnduinLothar | but there's no way to hook it if you don't know what it's called |
| 00:22.24 | cladhaire | its called SomeFrame.RegisterEvent |
| 00:22.28 | cladhaire | if its shared. |
| 00:22.31 | AnduinLothar | right... |
| 00:22.32 | cladhaire | they all will have the same value |
| 00:22.36 | AnduinLothar | what's SomeFrame |
| 00:22.44 | cladhaire | any frame in the game |
| 00:22.49 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.49 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.49 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 00:22.55 | cladhaire | ./DUmp TargetFrame.RegisterEvent |
| 00:23.03 | cladhaire | ./dump PlayerFrame.RegisterEvent |
| 00:23.05 | cladhaire | its a simple test |
| 00:23.16 | cladhaire | ik'm not in wow atm, but i'll check when i am |
| 00:23.17 | Iriel | Some of the shared methods dont have the same function pointer, but are in fact the same |
| 00:23.37 | Iriel | Just as an FYI 8-) |
| 00:23.43 | AnduinLothar | it's the same function, but if i hook TargetFrame.RegisterEvent it's not hooking PlayerFrame.RegisterEvent |
| 00:23.46 | cladhaire | *nod* but that's where you'd start to test |
| 00:23.51 | Kirov | Iriel - ok, so, how do you hook the shared function? |
| 00:23.56 | cladhaire | Anduin you have to rawget it from the metatable |
| 00:24.01 | cladhaire | to get the actual function |
| 00:24.13 | AnduinLothar | ex? |
| 00:24.31 | cladhaire | SomeFrame.RegisterEvent isn't in SomeFrame, its in its metatable. |
| 00:24.42 | cladhaire | so you can't "hook" it.. that just SETS it to a new one. |
| 00:24.56 | Iriel | You can hook the frame metatable |
| 00:25.03 | AnduinLothar | how? |
| 00:25.04 | Iriel | specifically its __index method |
| 00:25.18 | Iriel | though it's painful now, because of signed code |
| 00:25.22 | cladhaire | rawget(getmetatable(PlayerFrame), "RegisterEvent") |
| 00:25.25 | cladhaire | that valid? |
| 00:25.33 | Iriel | Valid, yes, right, no 8-( |
| 00:25.48 | cladhaire | hehe =) |
| 00:26.14 | Iriel | It's a lot more complex than that, because it's a function that looks up methods from C++ objects (more or less) |
| 00:26.34 | Iriel | You may find it cleanest to just enumerateframes and hook everything |
| 00:26.50 | cladhaire | Hrm, thats much less interesting =) |
| 00:26.52 | AnduinLothar | can't do that |
| 00:27.18 | AnduinLothar | no way to call it after a frame is created and before OnLoad |
| 00:28.46 | Iriel | ah.. yes, you end up having to hook the metamethod for that |
| 00:28.55 | AnduinLothar | how would i do that? |
| 00:29.05 | Iriel | Did you ever see my SecretSauce AddOn ? |
| 00:29.14 | AnduinLothar | i didn't look too hard |
| 00:29.23 | cladhaire | Iriel: Do you have any more info about the way that metamethod works, or should i just play? |
| 00:29.56 | AnduinLothar | what arguments does __index take? |
| 00:30.03 | Iriel | basically there's a function getmetatable(WorldFrame).__index |
| 00:30.04 | cladhaire | table,key |
| 00:30.57 | Iriel | it returns the entry, the easiest way to hook is if key is RegisterEvent, then you rawset(table, "RegisterEvent") to your hooked function, and then return that function. |
| 00:31.02 | cladhaire | Iriel: Aah, so its grabs the specific register event based on the C object. |
| 00:31.17 | Iriel | cladhaire : Yes, based on the userdata in table[0] |
| 00:31.21 | cladhaire | gotcha, so its messy but still not impossible =) |
| 00:31.49 | cladhaire | you'd have to hook the __index metamethod, and dispatch your handler that's memoized on creation |
| 00:31.54 | AnduinLothar | ok, so i could call that on any frame ex WorldFrame and it would hook the shared function? |
| 00:32.23 | Iriel | There's ONE metatable for all frames |
| 00:32.28 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:32.34 | Iriel | so you just hook its __index, and then all frames use that one |
| 00:32.44 | AnduinLothar | so getmetatable(WorldFrame) == getmetatable(PlayerFrame) |
| 00:32.56 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:32.58 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 00:33.37 | AnduinLothar | ok, so since RegisterEvent isn't protected i wouldn't have to worry about it blowing up? |
| 00:34.10 | AnduinLothar | and if i hook it frames created before and after my hook was set will be hooked? |
| 00:34.24 | Kirov | Only after |
| 00:34.28 | Iriel | The problem is your __index taints ALL frame method calls |
| 00:34.28 | Kirov | well |
| 00:34.52 | Iriel | Having said that, I dont think many of the real protected methods use them |
| 00:34.53 | Kirov | Are frame methods protected? |
| 00:35.33 | Iriel | no |
| 00:35.46 | Kirov | But functions they call could be ... |
| 00:36.02 | Kirov | and it'd see the taint |
| 00:36.10 | Iriel | The functions that call protected functions could previously call method one. |
| 00:43.22 | AnduinLothar | wait, why is rawset(table, "RegisterEvent") int he hook? |
| 00:43.51 | AnduinLothar | oh, to avoid recallign the hook |
| 00:44.10 | AnduinLothar | ok, so what are the rawset args? table, key, function? |
| 00:45.27 | cladhaire | table, key, value |
| 00:45.28 | cladhaire | yep |
| 00:47.07 | AnduinLothar | ok, and this will only hook frames that after created after? |
| 00:47.29 | AnduinLothar | or at least 'indexed' after |
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| 00:48.13 | esp|Syn | man i love that msg |
| 00:48.18 | esp|Syn | (01:47:50) —› can't join #wowi-lounge (auth'ed only (+r))! |
| 00:48.29 | esp|Syn | odd i think im here... arnt i ? |
| 00:48.39 | kremonte | you are in the twilight zone |
| 00:48.45 | esp|Syn | so it would seem :P |
| 00:49.27 | esp|Syn | right, anyone know of a mod. that displays the item your waring when you mouseover an item you can ware in inv ( you know, like you get in a store ) |
| 00:50.20 | AnduinLothar | ok... so that allows me to replace functions... how do I make it call the orig after I do my stuff? |
| 00:50.35 | AnduinLothar | EquipCompare |
| 00:51.21 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: just store the method, and call it |
| 00:51.22 | esp|Syn | <3 |
| 00:51.25 | AnduinLothar | oh.. spose i can index it first, huh |
| 00:51.48 | Hexarobee | ya equipcompare rules |
| 00:52.06 | Hexarobee | anything listed in the curse gaming top10 is prolly worth downloading ;) |
| 00:52.38 | zinor` | http://www.activecollab.com/ |
| 00:52.40 | zinor` | anyone used this? |
| 00:53.35 | cladhaire | no i haven't. |
| 00:53.43 | cladhaire | looks like a cheap sourceforge knockoff =) |
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| 00:54.35 | zinor` | sourceforge is a remote thing |
| 00:54.41 | zinor` | i really want to find a projec tmanagement thing for curse-gaming |
| 00:54.48 | zinor` | so me and the other dev can keep track of what we're doing |
| 00:54.55 | zinor` | i just need a big todo list :) |
| 00:55.02 | zinor` | and to say "im working on this, back off!" :D |
| 00:57.18 | Hexarobee | like a cvs server? |
| 00:58.34 | ag` | zinor, SVN |
| 00:58.54 | ag` | SVN + the tortoise client for Windows = winner |
| 01:01.10 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:01.18 | cladhaire | you should really svn any web code |
| 01:01.23 | cladhaire | its probably the MOST applicable place =) |
| 01:02.35 | cladhaire | svn + trac would be nice for that tho |
| 01:02.44 | cladhaire | gives you activecollab's stuff plus svn |
| 01:03.21 | AnduinLothar | http://wow.pastecode.com/1636 ? |
| 01:04.15 | AnduinLothar | or http://wow.pastecode.com/1637 |
| 01:05.03 | AnduinLothar | or http://wow.pastecode.com/1638 |
| 01:05.42 | cladhaire | whats teh difference? |
| 01:05.49 | cladhaire | i dont play hide-and-seek very well |
| 01:06.03 | AnduinLothar | oh, just some local abstractions |
| 01:06.11 | cladhaire | are they functionally equivalent? |
| 01:06.15 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:06.25 | Mikk | 1637 |
| 01:06.55 | AnduinLothar | same effect as 1638 |
| 01:07.11 | Mikk | all are |
| 01:07.16 | AnduinLothar | yup |
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| 01:07.33 | Mikk | that's very very evil btw |
| 01:07.46 | AnduinLothar | well good, that code's short.. maybe i'll implement it |
| 01:07.55 | AnduinLothar | i know mikk, that was the idea |
| 01:07.56 | Mikk | i forgot that everything shares the same metatable |
| 01:08.02 | Mikk | not just the same index function |
| 01:08.16 | AnduinLothar | now you can RegisterEvent("SPELLCAST_SUCCESS") |
| 01:08.29 | AnduinLothar | on any frame created after the lib loads |
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| 01:09.43 | AnduinLothar | now i'm gonna have to make a lib to create your own events.. cause that's just cool |
| 01:09.59 | Mikk | hmmm |
| 01:10.04 | cladhaire | abotu 19,000 already exist |
| 01:10.07 | Mikk | can't RegisterEvent() take a 2nd parameter also? |
| 01:10.16 | cladhaire | and your code adds a function call's worth of overhead to every single method of every single frame |
| 01:10.17 | AnduinLothar | not afaik |
| 01:10.40 | AnduinLothar | :P clad. only happens the first time |
| 01:10.41 | Mikk | the wiki mentions an optional second parameter |
| 01:10.50 | cladhaire | Still |
| 01:10.51 | Mikk | AL:s code is actually an optimization |
| 01:11.05 | Mikk | or hm |
| 01:11.05 | cladhaire | Why not just a table that takes events, and dispatches them |
| 01:11.21 | AnduinLothar | that's boring and uninspired |
| 01:11.31 | AnduinLothar | I don't do boring and uninspired |
| 01:11.33 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Your code will cause one functino call overhead on every single method lookup |
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| 01:11.38 | cladhaire | with the exception of RegisterEvent |
| 01:11.46 | Mikk | Actually, it's only an optimiziation for RegisterEvent |
| 01:11.46 | cladhaire | if I call StartMovingOrSizing, I have to go through your funnel. |
| 01:11.48 | cladhaire | that's a bad thing. |
| 01:11.54 | Mikk | SetPoint >.< |
| 01:12.00 | cladhaire | ANY method. |
| 01:12.00 | AnduinLothar | actually, only 1 if staement different |
| 01:12.03 | cladhaire | that's why its a bad idea. |
| 01:12.40 | AnduinLothar | and the change would be inperceptable and unmeasurable |
| 01:12.46 | cladhaire | says you =) |
| 01:12.50 | cladhaire | without testing. |
| 01:12.55 | AnduinLothar | yup :) |
| 01:12.56 | cladhaire | I'm just giving a perspective |
| 01:13.04 | Mikk | Actually... I think you might be tainting the blizzard addons with that |
| 01:13.13 | AnduinLothar | nah |
| 01:13.15 | Mikk | Which means they can no longer call protected stuff |
| 01:13.18 | AnduinLothar | mm |
| 01:13.22 | AnduinLothar | maybe the LoD ones |
| 01:13.34 | AnduinLothar | we'll see |
| 01:13.35 | cladhaire | there's a reason some addons are uninspired and boring. |
| 01:13.39 | cladhaire | because they're more effective. |
| 01:13.53 | Mikk | Actually, all blizzard addons that call any widget method at all |
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| 01:14.04 | Mikk | including e.g. :Show |
| 01:14.08 | AnduinLothar | i'll test it and see then |
| 01:19.12 | cladhaire | Yeah, AL this doesn't play well at all |
| 01:19.30 | AnduinLothar | lol, /tear |
| 01:19.45 | Mikk | damn shame. spiffy idea =) |
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| 01:19.56 | cladhaire | hehe i'm playing with it tho |
| 01:19.57 | cladhaire | seeing whats up |
| 01:20.36 | AnduinLothar | spose i could load all the blizz addons as reqdeps.. |
| 01:20.47 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:20.51 | AnduinLothar | since i'm already being evil.. |
| 01:20.56 | cladhaire | then you load 12 megs of extra crizzap |
| 01:20.59 | AnduinLothar | :D |
| 01:21.06 | AnduinLothar | Muah ha ha |
| 01:22.59 | zinor` | hrm is trac pretty good? |
| 01:23.02 | zinor` | we dont use svn locally |
| 01:23.05 | zinor` | we do svn from beta->live |
| 01:25.33 | Vallerius|zzz | trac is awesome |
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| 01:33.50 | AnduinLothar | oh btw, in case you dont already have somehting that does this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5181 |
| 01:34.01 | AnduinLothar | i made it like 6mo ago and never published, heh |
| 01:34.27 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:34.36 | cladhaire | wtf |
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| 01:35.43 | AnduinLothar | i'm having issues testing this, heh |
| 01:36.08 | cladhaire | me too.. hehe |
| 01:36.09 | AnduinLothar | not loading in my code or somehting.. |
| 01:36.21 | AnduinLothar | works fine executed in game fro luaslinger |
| 01:36.35 | AnduinLothar | but it seems to be overwritten at some time |
| 01:37.10 | AnduinLothar | oh btw |
| 01:37.15 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't seem to taint |
| 01:37.25 | Mikk | O.O |
| 01:37.46 | AnduinLothar | cause i can execute the code, then load the tradeskill window and make things |
| 01:37.54 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 01:37.59 | AnduinLothar | wait |
| 01:38.00 | Mikk | that's not protected |
| 01:38.08 | Mikk | you've got to find something that's actually protected |
| 01:38.11 | AnduinLothar | DoSkill is |
| 01:38.11 | Mikk | like slouken's movepad |
| 01:38.23 | Mikk | ? |
| 01:38.36 | Mikk | I'm using a custom tradeskill window just fine |
| 01:38.44 | AnduinLothar | for create all |
| 01:38.57 | Cairenn | Pirate is currently handing out more gifties |
| 01:39.09 | Cairenn | " Coming in 1.12: Added Color and BorderColor elements to the XML for backdrops." |
| 01:39.22 | Cairenn | bleh, sorry for the whitespace |
| 01:39.26 | AnduinLothar | cause the 2nd etc DoSkill in CreateAll doesn't take user input |
| 01:39.38 | Mikk | Butbutbut |
| 01:39.54 | AnduinLothar | at least that's the way it worked last time i checked.. |
| 01:40.07 | AnduinLothar | and MovePad isn't LoD |
| 01:40.11 | Mikk | There's a count parameter |
| 01:40.19 | AnduinLothar | oh, did they change it? |
| 01:40.35 | AnduinLothar | ok, well then what's protected that i can ctest? |
| 01:42.16 | Mikk | on a sidenote i don't see the point of requiring user input for DoTradeSkill |
| 01:42.32 | AnduinLothar | so it cant auto-craft when in range |
| 01:42.54 | Mikk | so? you need user input to move? |
| 01:43.17 | AnduinLothar | dont ask me |
| 01:43.24 | Mikk | nah, i'm not, really |
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| 01:44.04 | Mikk | Can someone give the wiki an adrenaline shot? I think it's in defib. |
| 01:45.17 | AnduinLothar | cladhaire, any luck finding where it's being rewritten? |
| 01:45.51 | Mikk | have you tried adding a second parameter btw? |
| 01:45.59 | AnduinLothar | to what? |
| 01:46.14 | Mikk | in case the wiki is actually right and you can do RegisterEvent("SOME_EVENT", ThatFunction); |
| 01:46.26 | AnduinLothar | NEVER seen that syntax |
| 01:46.34 | AnduinLothar | look it up in the code for me |
| 01:46.42 | Thrae|WoW | This is very odd. When I do CastSpellByName("Abolish Poison", true) or CastSpellByName("Remove Curse", true), it doesn't self-cast. Nor if I add SpellTargetUnit("player") after it. |
| 01:46.49 | AnduinLothar | 1 |
| 01:46.55 | AnduinLothar | not true |
| 01:47.00 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:47.16 | Thrae|WoW | Well SpellTargetUnit("player") should at least do it. |
| 01:47.29 | Mikk | AnduinLothar: Nothing in framexml does that |
| 01:47.35 | AnduinLothar | kill it |
| 01:48.20 | AnduinLothar | wow, that's cool... |
| 01:48.31 | Thrae|WoW | AnduinLothar: I just double-checked and true works as well for Mark of the Wild and Thorns |
| 01:48.40 | Thrae|WoW | But not Remove Curse and Abolish Poison |
| 01:48.46 | AnduinLothar | MovePad was loaded... so i executed my code in ls and not movepad breaks |
| 01:49.03 | AnduinLothar | thrae, you might has a broken hook |
| 01:49.21 | Thrae|WoW | Hmmm, maybe. |
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| 01:50.15 | Mikk | Thrae|WoW: Those spells refuse to cast if they're not needed these days |
| 01:50.21 | Mikk | Changed in 1.10 i believe? |
| 01:50.43 | Mikk | Go get bitten by some nub spider and try again |
| 01:50.45 | AnduinLothar | oh right, duh |
| 01:51.00 | AnduinLothar | ~smack me |
| 01:51.02 | purl | ACTION smacks anduinlothar upside the head. |
| 01:51.14 | Thrae|WoW | Ah, Thorns and Mark of the Wild were calling a different function, which does if SpellIsTargeting() then SpellTargetUnit(unit) end |
| 01:51.28 | Thrae|WoW | I'll try using that with Remove Curse and Abolish Poison. |
| 01:51.46 | Tem | oh god |
| 01:51.47 | Tem | why |
| 01:51.49 | Tem | WHY? |
| 01:52.05 | Tem | WHY must the server shit itself everytime we pull broodlord? |
| 01:52.11 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 01:52.17 | Mikk | my sympathies |
| 01:52.39 | Mikk | [RL] NO WIPING NOW! PULL! GOGOGOGO! |
| 01:52.45 | Mikk | [You have disconnected from the server] |
| 01:53.39 | AnduinLothar | bwl owns the servers |
| 01:53.41 | AnduinLothar | bad code |
| 01:53.51 | AnduinLothar | naxx and aq40 work fine |
| 01:54.03 | AnduinLothar | bwl owns servers and eats fps magicly |
| 01:54.38 | AnduinLothar | well, that's pretty cool... |
| 01:54.54 | Tem | yay, we recovered |
| 01:55.00 | AnduinLothar | if i execute the code after MovePad has been loaded it taints MovePad |
| 01:55.14 | AnduinLothar | that completely baffles me.. |
| 01:55.33 | AnduinLothar | unless it normally calls __index every time.. |
| 01:55.47 | Thrae|WoW | if NumOfPlayersAttackingBWLBoss(id) > 5 and BWLBossHealthPercent(id) < 0.2 then CrashServer() end |
| 01:55.52 | Mikk | I think someone hardcoded if(!strcmp(player.name, "end) && player.incombat && strstr(player.target, "Broodlord")) assert(!"Muahaha End!"); |
| 01:56.07 | Mikk | AnduinLothar: It does |
| 01:56.13 | AnduinLothar | zomg |
| 01:56.26 | AnduinLothar | ~cry |
| 01:56.37 | purl | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drowns in his own tears |
| 01:56.38 | Mikk | Every damn widget function results in a call to the __index function, every time |
| 01:56.43 | AnduinLothar | that makes me so happy... |
| 01:57.01 | AnduinLothar | means i can hook frames that already exist! |
| 01:57.09 | AnduinLothar | Muah ha ha! |
| 01:57.18 | Thrae|WoW | Mikk: My code manipulating widget objects many times results in the upvalue limit being reached with all my references =/ |
| 01:57.21 | Mikk | Yeah but not their already-registered events |
| 01:57.44 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 01:57.46 | AnduinLothar | so what |
| 01:57.55 | AnduinLothar | anythign that uses it would dep my lib anyway |
| 01:58.13 | Mikk | Thrae|WoW: Ehmwha? Not following. |
| 01:58.25 | clad|sleep | and again, you impose a lua functino call on every single method lookup |
| 01:58.40 | AnduinLothar | nah, only on the first ones |
| 01:58.43 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 01:58.53 | AnduinLothar | and it optimizes the rest |
| 01:59.04 | Mikk | did you change it so it writes function refs for all methods? |
| 01:59.07 | Mikk | not just registerevent? |
| 01:59.13 | AnduinLothar | no, but it'd be easy |
| 01:59.15 | clad|sleep | its not just on the first ones, unless you're memoizing. |
| 01:59.21 | Thrae|WoW | Mikk: I put all kinds of references to widget methods at the top of files heavily manipulating frames. IE, local fSetPoint, fGetName, fGetAlpha = UIParent.SetPoint, UIParent.GetName, UIParent.GetAlpha |
| 02:00.32 | Mikk | so umm.. what limit are you reaching? o.O |
| 02:00.43 | Thrae|WoW | 32, the limit for upvalues |
| 02:00.56 | Mikk | gah. i suck at lua vocabulary |
| 02:01.13 | Thrae|WoW | upvalues I believe are what Lua refers to as references |
| 02:01.14 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, what if i preindex the protected funcs? |
| 02:01.54 | Mikk | so erhm... what? you can't have more than 32 references to the same object or something? |
| 02:01.56 | AnduinLothar | or preindex frames known to call protected funcs |
| 02:02.19 | Thrae|WoW | Mikk: You can't have more then 32 locals or 32 references to different objects in one file. |
| 02:02.33 | Mikk | eh? |
| 02:02.34 | clad|sleep | AnduinLothar: Do you actually plan to release this? |
| 02:02.42 | clad|sleep | Because I'll be 100% honest when I say its 100% retarded. |
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| 02:03.11 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 02:03.20 | AnduinLothar | i'm just plying around atm |
| 02:03.31 | Mikk | Thrae|WoW: I find that highly unlikely given that e.g. WoWbench produces files with thousands of locals |
| 02:03.34 | Mikk | And it works |
| 02:03.35 | AnduinLothar | it's not to a point yet where it's useful |
| 02:03.42 | clad|sleep | ok =) |
| 02:03.51 | clad|sleep | i'm okay with academic tinkering, that's why i joined the conversation =) |
| 02:04.13 | AnduinLothar | so... what's makign MovePad not work |
| 02:04.14 | Mikk | Thrae|WoW: Isn't the problem just that you're trying to assign more than 32 values in the same assignment? |
| 02:04.15 | clad|sleep | Mikk: You cannot have more than 32 upvalues |
| 02:04.19 | Thrae|WoW | Mikk: Well, this is how the error works -- if I have too many local references, I get "limit of 32 upvalues reached at (where a references is used)" |
| 02:04.23 | clad|sleep | Mikk: in a closure |
| 02:04.57 | Thrae|WoW | If I remove one of the references from out of file scope, the error will go away until I make another reference. |
| 02:05.21 | Thrae|WoW | I've gotten this on multiple files in multiple projects. |
| 02:05.27 | clad|sleep | Its very simple |
| 02:06.00 | clad|sleep | and kinda annoying if you tend to code in that style =) |
| 02:08.28 | Mikk | okay.. i just made a lua file that defines 35 local variables as functions |
| 02:08.30 | Mikk | and then call them all |
| 02:08.31 | Mikk | no problems |
| 02:08.36 | clad|sleep | http://pastebin.ca/91954 |
| 02:08.39 | Mikk | was this supposed to not work? |
| 02:08.41 | clad|sleep | Mikk: you're misunderstanding. |
| 02:08.48 | clad|sleep | upvalues are different than bound values. |
| 02:09.04 | Mikk | ok.. it's compound-assigned values |
| 02:09.13 | Thrae|WoW | clad|sleep: Am I correct saying upvalues are references? |
| 02:10.33 | clad|sleep | upvalues are references to out-of-scope variables |
| 02:10.46 | Mikk | Mikk> Thrae|WoW: Isn't the problem just that you're trying to assign more than 32 values in the same assignment? |
| 02:10.49 | clad|sleep | Mikk: I'd bet money the variables you're using are defined within the scope. |
| 02:10.52 | Mikk | so the answer here was basically "yes"? |
| 02:10.53 | Thrae|WoW | Right, that's what I meant. |
| 02:11.02 | clad|sleep | Mikk: No, its not the same assigment |
| 02:11.05 | clad|sleep | its upon closure creation. |
| 02:11.09 | Thrae|WoW | Mikk: Nope |
| 02:11.17 | clad|sleep | hold please. |
| 02:11.21 | AnduinLothar | :) i fixed MovePad |
| 02:11.46 | AnduinLothar | by memoizing the calls it uses in the same functions with protected funcs |
| 02:12.44 | clad|sleep | mIkk: pastebin is being slow |
| 02:12.45 | clad|sleep | sorry |
| 02:13.11 | clad|sleep | http://pastebin.ca/91958 |
| 02:13.16 | clad|sleep | That gives the same error |
| 02:13.20 | clad|sleep | its not the assignment that does it |
| 02:13.28 | clad|sleep | its the number of upvalues, literally |
| 02:13.47 | Mikk | ohwait |
| 02:14.03 | Mikk | the number of local variables defined outside of a function using them |
| 02:14.19 | clad|sleep | yes, that's what an upvalue is, a reference to a variable defined outside the scope of the function. |
| 02:14.33 | Thrae|WoW | Sorry for not explaining myself well enough, Mikk. |
| 02:14.34 | Mikk | a LOCAL one |
| 02:14.36 | clad|sleep | and the upvalues are resolved on closure creation |
| 02:14.48 | Mikk | you can pull as many globals as you like, right? |
| 02:14.52 | Mikk | stupid question |
| 02:14.58 | Mikk | of course you can |
| 02:15.04 | clad|sleep | yes, because the functino is in the scope of the global environment |
| 02:15.09 | clad|sleep | unless you change its env |
| 02:15.30 | Mikk | oaky so |
| 02:15.49 | clad|sleep | its not something that most people run into, because it tends to be a kinda sloppy way to code =) |
| 02:15.53 | clad|sleep | but its all preference. |
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| 02:17.05 | Wobster | roflrofl http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/stilltemporary/PBF186Guntron.html |
| 02:17.35 | Thrae|WoW | Hey, Iriel's code showed a notable difference when doing stuff like fSetPoint = UIParent.SetPoint |
| 02:18.14 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 02:18.42 | clad|sleep | Thrae|WoW: What do you mean? |
| 02:20.07 | Thrae|WoW | clad|sleep: Doing local fSetPoint = UIParent.SetPoint calls the __index function for widgets and creates a function to assign to fSetPoint, then subsequent calls to fSetPoint(Frame,...) will not call __index |
| 02:20.27 | clad|sleep | correct |
| 02:20.34 | clad|sleep | but they are only guaranteed to work for UIParent |
| 02:21.22 | Thrae|WoW | Wait, so if I have a frame object that has a different name then UIParent, but it's still a Frame object, fSetPoint will call __index ? |
| 02:21.32 | clad|sleep | No, that's not what I said |
| 02:21.54 | Thrae|WoW | Oh, you mean the "wrong member type" error that can occur if it needs a different SetPoint function |
| 02:22.10 | clad|sleep | the __index metamethod is a c function that returns the correct handler based on the userdata |
| 02:22.29 | clad|sleep | So even tho you may be able to use the function from a frame on a button.. it may not act properly |
| 02:22.39 | Thrae|WoW | Yeah, that's true. Sometimes I need a different method for GameTooltips, StatusBars, etc., even if I grabbed it from UIParent |
| 02:22.50 | Thrae|WoW | clad|sleep: It'll usually give a "wrong member type" error |
| 02:22.55 | clad|sleep | yep |
| 02:23.27 | clad|sleep | Thrae|WoW: talk to ckknight =) |
| 02:23.32 | clad|sleep | thats more important |
| 02:25.35 | Esamynn | yah, thats definately one way to make those calls more efficient, on my own machine, I use a bit of a hacked version of Iriel's SecretSauce AddOn to avoid the __index function |
| 02:29.22 | AnduinLothar | that's sweet... if you remove MovePad from the addons folder and reloadui wow blows up |
| 02:29.43 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:29.46 | AnduinLothar | saying your files are corrupted |
| 02:30.10 | Esamynn | haha |
| 02:30.17 | clad|sleep | haha |
| 02:30.20 | clad|sleep | OH |
| 02:30.24 | clad|sleep | thats good. |
| 02:30.28 | clad|sleep | confirms some of our thoughts |
| 02:30.41 | Esamynn | which thoughs? |
| 02:30.42 | clad|sleep | that it checks the .pub file thats there, and if it can't find it, or its corrupt it tries to rebuild it from the mpq |
| 02:30.46 | clad|sleep | in this case it can't, so it errors out. |
| 02:31.27 | Esamynn | what I don't get is why WoW writes out the AddOns that are part of the default UI in the first place |
| 02:31.54 | clad|sleep | we decided that the load algorithm wanted them, or speed |
| 02:31.59 | clad|sleep | but we had no idea :P |
| 02:36.09 | Esamynn | jeez, it's been quite a while since I looked at my "improvments to the remeta strategy in SecretSauce, I still can't decide it it's a hack, inspired or maybe both! ;) |
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| 02:36.20 | Esamynn | if* it's |
| 02:41.30 | Mikk | no, i decided that it was part of a mechanism for 3rd party addon signing |
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| 02:42.24 | clad|sleep | yes, thats all the same mechanism |
| 02:42.28 | clad|sleep | ok off to bed now for real |
| 02:43.29 | AnduinLothar | raiding, need cycles |
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| 02:45.43 | Esamynn | oh jees |
| 02:45.47 | Esamynn | jeez* |
| 02:49.36 | Esamynn | now thats interesting, if you use /script --CastSpellByName('Cure Poison') to try to link a cooldown to a macro action button, it doesn't work where as it does work with double quotes |
| 02:50.40 | Cide | try [[Cure Poison]] |
| 02:50.44 | Shadowed | works fine for me |
| 02:51.29 | Shadowed | and now it doesn't |
| 02:51.58 | Esamynn | perhaps we should bug Slouken |
| 02:54.14 | ckknight | we shared some laughs, we shared some tears. Try to remember the good times. |
| 02:55.52 | Esamynn | damnit, I sat down intending to achomplish something |
| 02:56.06 | Industrial | and then it was 04:55 |
| 02:56.07 | Industrial | nn |
| 02:59.26 | Mikk | HAHAAA! Servers down and I keep coding! |
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| 03:35.14 | Shadowed | wheeeee |
| 03:35.26 | Shadowed | 3 adds spawning duringfankriss + MT being teleported twice is fun |
| 03:42.12 | Cide | grr, resizing a frame is annoying |
| 03:42.51 | Kirov | cide - SetPoint() is your friend |
| 03:42.54 | Cide | using :StartSizing, I mean |
| 03:43.49 | Cide | if you move the mouse out of its maximum resize range, and then start moving it back towards the frame again, the frame starts moving right away, so it doesn't follow the cursor |
| 03:44.34 | Cide | which isn't very user friendly |
| 03:45.43 | Kirov | ah, yeah |
| 03:46.08 | Kirov | It resizes on relative motion from the last frame. |
| 03:46.16 | Cide | aye |
| 04:34.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | graaaaaahhh PTR needs to show up |
| 04:34.44 | Shadowed | US PTR is down until july 16th 12:01 PM PDT apparently |
| 04:34.46 | Shadowed | or thats the ETA |
| 04:35.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 04:35.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | think imma just pass out and play in the morning |
| 04:37.03 | Cairenn | rofl, perhaps you've the wrong dates Shadowed, given that the date is currently the 19th? |
| 04:37.32 | Shadowed | If you're EST maybe |
| 04:38.08 | Cairenn | okay, fine, it's the 18th ... "US PTR is down until July 16th" is what you said, that's still 2 days ago, either way :p |
| 04:38.22 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-test&t=306675&p=1&tmp=1#post306675 |
| 04:38.39 | Cairenn | yeah, read it |
| 04:38.45 | Cairenn | 19th, not 16th :p |
| 04:38.52 | Shadowed | err oops |
| 04:38.55 | Shadowed | meant 19th |
| 04:38.58 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:39.12 | Shadowed | you still forgot about time zones, so there! |
| 04:39.33 | Cairenn | no, actually I didn't, I'm EST, it is the 19th here :p |
| 04:39.47 | Shadowed | Blizzard uses PST not ETA |
| 04:40.01 | Shadowed | AND I mentioned that it said PDT not EST :p |
| 04:40.05 | Cide | ( http://imagelink.org/temp/272 <- awesome ) |
| 04:40.19 | Shadowed | ahahaha |
| 04:40.22 | Cairenn | fine, whatever |
| 04:40.25 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 04:40.35 | Shadowed | you know i'm just giving you a hard time! |
| 04:50.59 | Cide | http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/4650 |
| 04:51.02 | Cide | that's *very* cool |
| 04:51.43 | Kirov | ~seen iriel |
| 04:51.56 | purl | iriel <n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4h 15m 46s ago, saying: 'The functions that call protected functions could previously call method one.'. |
| 04:53.56 | Kirov | Anyone know if <TexCoord> can use the 8 float format? |
| 04:55.13 | Kirov | (xml) |
| 05:00.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | so, a baby seal walks into a club |
| 05:01.09 | Cairenn | fire the bouncer for not checking the id |
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| 05:21.49 | Guillotine | I can't believe that "Changing Yourself?" Thread is still alive after the entire first page being people saying they had to reinstall WoW due to trying it... |
| 05:22.24 | Cairenn | Guillotine: where? |
| 05:22.38 | Guillotine | Cairenn: the one you just posted on |
| 05:22.46 | Cairenn | just verifying same thread |
| 05:22.49 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.51 | Guillotine | ya |
| 05:23.02 | Cairenn | people are stupid *shrug* |
| 05:23.38 | Guillotine | its like "oh hey! 3 people just screwed up their game by doing this! But it won't happen to me..." |
| 05:26.54 | Guillotine | Cairenn: Are we ever going to get a new comic? When I first saw the one on the side panel, I thought it was going to be a monthly thing or something. Yet we've only had one. Or are you just waiting for someone to submit a good one? |
| 05:27.13 | Cairenn | no new comic |
| 05:27.16 | ckknight | aw |
| 05:27.29 | Cairenn | we've had that one for a very very long time, it was made for us ages back by Woody |
| 05:27.47 | ckknight | it makes a good point |
| 05:27.54 | Guillotine | unfortunately, its only become more relevant >_< |
| 05:28.05 | Cairenn | although if folks were to make comics for us, we'd probably show them off somewhere on the site :) |
| 05:30.54 | zespri_work | hm. a friend complaining that over last we he had around 5 times of the following. He bids on an item. Withing several minutes someone outbids him by buying out and relists for 1.5 of the price. He suspects that there is an addon out there that many people use that allows you to scan AH see what items received a bid in between scans and then buy them out and relist |
| 05:31.21 | Guillotine | can't be possible |
| 05:31.28 | zespri_work | I don't beleive you can do it with auctioneer, and even if you can this is not an obvious feature, so this wouldn't explain why this happens that often |
| 05:31.28 | Guillotine | you would have to run to the mailbox for that |
| 05:31.35 | Cairenn | not an addon |
| 05:31.40 | zespri_work | yeah |
| 05:31.50 | Guillotine | a bot? possible, but doubtful |
| 05:31.59 | Cairenn | I suppose it may be possible for a 3rd party, but not an addon |
| 05:32.36 | zespri_work | I mean an addon that would make it clear cut. Of course you still have to ran to mailbox, collect, go back to AH etc. |
| 05:32.54 | Guillotine | it could be an addon that makes it clear cut |
| 05:33.19 | zespri_work | People do what addons provide them. If addon makes it easy to do a thing people would do this thing |
| 05:33.20 | Guillotine | though theres still the 10 second cooldown between searches that would make it not as efficient |
| 05:33.44 | ckknight | I could do it, zespri |
| 05:33.52 | ckknight | in fact, I wrote an addon that did something similar |
| 05:33.55 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 05:34.04 | Guillotine | ya, it wouldn't be at all hard to make if someone is running to the mailbox ect. manually |
| 05:34.08 | ckknight | right. |
| 05:34.16 | ckknight | I just ran inbetween mailbox and AH |
| 05:34.19 | zespri_work | I guess my question is there an addon out there that people uses that may explain what my friend has observed? |
| 05:34.22 | ckknight | it automatically cleaned out the mailbox |
| 05:34.26 | ckknight | and automatically ran the AH |
| 05:34.36 | Guillotine | zespri: not one that has been publicly released |
| 05:34.37 | ckknight | someone could make one, zespri |
| 05:34.45 | ckknight | I never publically released mine |
| 05:34.54 | Guillotine | at least not on one of what I consider the 3 big addons sites |
| 05:35.19 | zespri_work | well, I don;t beleive that that one person is always online when my friend is bidding =) may be a coincedence though |
| 05:35.35 | Guillotine | personally, i think they should make bidding/buying out require a keypress |
| 05:35.54 | Guillotine | I can't think of any legit reason someone wouldn't want that |
| 05:36.12 | Cairenn | because people are lazy |
| 05:36.40 | ckknight | I agree, Guillotine |
| 05:37.16 | Guillotine | Cairenn: ya, but is having an addon run all your AH buys and sells considered legit? I mean, I know its not technically illegal, but... |
| 05:37.30 | Cairenn | didn't say it was |
| 05:38.02 | Corrodias | until blizzard takes steps to make it impossible or declares the addon illegal, i think the answer has to be "yes" |
| 05:38.14 | Cairenn | well, seems some things never change |
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| 05:38.16 | ckknight | it's currently legit |
| 05:38.34 | Guillotine | i know, I just don't think it should be |
| 05:38.51 | Corrodias | repeating: until blizzard takes steps to make it impossible or declares the addon illegal, i think the answer has to be "yes" |
| 05:39.15 | Guillotine | I agree that it is currently legal. I have no doubt about it. I just don't think it should be |
| 05:39.37 | Guillotine | though then you'd just have addons where someone had to sit there all day spamming one button and it would do everything |
| 05:40.27 | Cairenn | lol, you |
| 05:40.32 | Cairenn | you've got those now |
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| 05:41.14 | zespri_work | guys you are scaring me |
| 05:41.20 | Guillotine_ | I really don't understand why I'm d/c so much... |
| 05:41.36 | zespri_work | do you mean there are addons out there that just do nothing but working AH all day long? |
| 05:42.22 | Guillotine | no. there are addons that do MOST of the work for you. not all. you still have to run back and forth between the mailbox and the AH |
| 05:43.25 | Cairenn | you didn't say example specifically |
| 05:43.36 | zespri_work | but I think it's bloody complicated writing such at addon. all the AI and such. I mean if you can write such an addon you sure can do the same without an addon |
| 05:43.52 | Cairenn | "though then you'd just have addons where someone had to sit there all day spamming one button and it would do everything" <== those already all but exist |
| 05:44.28 | Corrodias | there are certainly "combat button" addons |
| 05:44.33 | Corrodias | i've seen one for rogues or cat form druids |
| 05:44.46 | Guillotine | yup |
| 05:44.59 | Guillotine | I just meant that my idea of making the AH require keypresses wouldn't really work |
| 05:45.25 | Guillotine | well, I g2g everyone. talk to you later ^_^ |
| 05:45.38 | zespri_work | I don't know. My record is to farm 300G off AH in a week. I managed to do it once and never could repeat this result, now with everybody and they neighbour using Auctioneer it's getting harder and harder to rip money of innocent AH buyers and sellers |
| 05:46.32 | Cairenn | well, there's your mistake right there - stop trying to rip people off |
| 05:46.49 | zespri_work | huh? |
| 05:47.20 | zespri_work | what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 05:47.43 | Cairenn | "it's getting harder and harder to rip money of innocent AH buyers and sellers" - don't try to rip people off, that's not nice |
| 05:48.00 | Guillotine | hehe. I know I shouldn't say this, but if you want to rip people off, do this. send a letter from an alt to your main. pick up the copy of it. put it in the AH for 5g. it'll sell. b/c everybody puts it in the AH for absurd prices, Auctioneer has its price at around 20g. People think their getting a HUGE deal and are going to make money off of it. and sometimes theyd o |
| 05:48.24 | Guillotine | just look for 'plain letter' in the AH. its rather funny to see the results |
| 05:48.49 | Corrodias | nice is relative |
| 05:49.04 | Cairenn | no it isn't |
| 05:49.14 | Corrodias | i rather think it's nice enough not to hunt them down irl and castrate them for their foolishness |
| 05:49.14 | Guillotine | only slightly. some things are just not nice |
| 05:49.22 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:49.28 | Guillotine | ok, I really have to go. bye guys |
| 05:49.41 | Corrodias | bye |
| 05:50.37 | zespri_work | Cairenn, what do you mean by "ripping people off in AH"? Is it even possible? What i have said I mostly intended as a joke, because in my understanding, it's just not possible to rip people off in AH, because the system is fair |
| 05:51.17 | Corrodias | there have been plenty of flaming threads about that on the WoW forums |
| 05:51.34 | Cairenn | and I was saying that if you were serious, that wouldn't be a nice thing to do :p |
| 05:51.58 | zespri_work | how could one do this even if he were serious? w/e |
| 05:52.15 | Corrodias | it isn't "nice" to hope that someone else makes a mistake at their own expense and your benefit |
| 05:52.18 | Cairenn | I have no idea |
| 05:52.28 | zespri_work | I mean all this 10s bid 20g buy out doesn't count |
| 05:52.39 | zespri_work | plain letter doesn't count either |
| 05:53.03 | Corrodias | if you're going to dismiss the more obvious efforts, i don't see where you're going with this conversation |
| 05:54.09 | Cairenn | zespri, I was just saying, using the example that you gave, that it wouldn't be a nice thing to do |
| 05:54.42 | Corrodias | however... this draws parallel to pvp |
| 05:55.03 | Corrodias | hoping that someone else makes a mistake in pvp at their own expense and to your benefit isn't "nice", either, but it's expected of the competition |
| 05:55.41 | zespri_work | Well here is my beleif. It's not nice to do 10s 20g thing. But there is almost no people that would buy it now. It's been talked about last year and everybody knows about it. As for plain letter thing goes. Well I bough "how to cook man" once. I don't consider this a mistake, it was just satisfying my curiousity that was worth the money I paid for it |
| 05:55.43 | Cairenn | not sure I'd agree with that, but meh, I'm not getting into this, I had just intended my comment as flippant |
| 05:56.02 | Cairenn | (to Corrodias) |
| 05:57.33 | Cairenn | anyway, I'm just gonna go back to shutting up |
| 05:57.55 | Corrodias | from what i remember, wal-mart will let me return somethingthing for store credit if i find out that i don't need it. is that correct? |
| 05:58.09 | zespri_work | So my point is, that it's virtually impossible to rip people off in AH. all the mistakes you may hoping for all wide know and talked. Not everybody knows them, but I think ever most evil people wouldn't count on them because it just wouldn't pay off... |
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| 05:59.12 | Cairenn | hi s|loup |
| 05:59.20 | Cairenn | and good night all |
| 05:59.20 | s|loup | hi Cairenn |
| 05:59.25 | s|loup | godd night |
| 05:59.28 | zespri_work | I don't think wal-mart is a good example. we are talking people to people transaction not people to store |
| 05:59.44 | Corrodias | no, this is a totally unrelated question |
| 06:00.07 | zespri_work | oh |
| 06:00.09 | Corrodias | i wanted to hear what you think while somebody's actually around |
| 06:00.26 | zespri_work | then somebody who has walmart in their area should have an answer =) |
| 06:00.52 | Corrodias | i so rarely return anything... |
| 06:01.15 | zespri_work | somebody? |
| 06:01.54 | zespri_work | good night Cairenn |
| 06:01.56 | Corrodias | well. i've killed conversations in two channels with that question. |
| 06:02.14 | Cairenn|sleep | I can't speak for the US, but here in Canada if you still have the receipt and it hasn't been used and it wasn't marked as "final sale", they give you full money back |
| 06:02.43 | Corrodias | assume that it is used |
| 06:02.50 | Corrodias | albiet very lightly |
| 06:03.03 | Cairenn|sleep | if it's obviously used ... doubt highly that they'd accept it back |
| 06:03.17 | zespri_work | I think in civilized countries there is money back on most stuff unless explicitly marked and unless this is things such as video dvd or sumthing |
| 06:03.23 | Corrodias | i do see "open box" returns on the shelves at best buy, sometimes |
| 06:03.26 | Cairenn|sleep | although I may very well be wrong, wouldn't be the first time |
| 06:03.44 | Corrodias | they reduce the price slightly, based on how unattractive it looks |
| 06:04.00 | Rallion | Open box returns at electronics places are terrible, because a lot of the time they were returned for a reason but they just sell it again like it's fine |
| 06:04.22 | Corrodias | good thing i don't see them often! |
| 06:05.08 | Corrodias | i suppose i'll just -ask- somebody at the store before buying, if necessary |
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| 06:33.53 | Esamynn | Evening all |
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| 06:58.45 | AnduinLothar | And there you have it. First comment on curse IsCasting... "I hate Sea, make it use Ace" |
| 06:59.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1 minute! |
| 06:59.27 | Shadowed | ouch |
| 06:59.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl AL |
| 07:00.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | let THEM make it use ace if they care that much :P |
| 07:00.19 | AnduinLothar | it's even embedded. it's not even an 'i dont want to dl a lib' comment |
| 07:00.35 | AnduinLothar | it's strait out.. i hate sea prejudice |
| 07:00.53 | AnduinLothar | it's not even complaining about bloat |
| 07:01.10 | AnduinLothar | instead he just flat out insults me |
| 07:01.22 | AnduinLothar | I hate your code, why don't you use someone elses |
| 07:01.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd just simply reply "no." |
| 07:04.07 | AnduinLothar | it just makes me angry... It's so blunt it's funny |
| 07:05.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean |
| 07:05.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | if he really hates sea THAT much, why doesn't he either 1) not use it, or 2) code his own |
| 07:06.48 | AnduinLothar | he might as well have said "You coded it on a Mac, there's no way I'm touching it." |
| 07:07.37 | AnduinLothar | at least that i've come acustomed to being insulted about |
| 07:08.49 | AnduinLothar | it's liek deliberate flaming... what kinda of asshole does that... and why are they still alive.. |
| 07:09.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | welcome to the general wow populus |
| 07:09.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | the majority of them are complete idiots |
| 07:09.29 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - I'm Brodrick btw |
| 07:09.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl kirov, nice comment |
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| 07:10.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | also: |
| 07:10.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | "The lootlink is definetly not working with me. I installed it, and the first problem is, that it has the same name as some other addon >Interface< okay, I just rename the other one, and install this one. When I check my addons on the starting screen in wow, it's not there.. what shall I do?" |
| 07:10.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | that...wow |
| 07:11.01 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 07:11.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know how you addon authors handle it |
| 07:11.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd link people to viruses and stuff just to shut them up |
| 07:11.22 | AnduinLothar | damn, now that's hillarious |
| 07:12.00 | Kirov | Complete and intense disregard |
| 07:12.01 | Rallion | "Just run 'DestroyYourComputer.exe', it'll fix it." |
| 07:12.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | btw i have no problems with LLe, am i in the minority here? everyone seems to be reporting it as broken |
| 07:13.14 | AnduinLothar | did you change the name of the folder too see if that helped? |
| 07:13.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | whaa? |
| 07:14.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | although SOMETHING is causing random disconnects and 30 second lockups, i think i'm about due for a SV clear and reconfigure |
| 07:15.14 | Kirov | you use LLe? |
| 07:15.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 07:15.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's working perfectly fine from what i've used |
| 07:15.45 | Kirov | It's got some bugs |
| 07:15.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mostly link items with [namehere] in chat now, but that, quick search, etc seem to be working fine |
| 07:16.00 | Kirov | I'm currently focusing on STranq 2.0 though |
| 07:16.19 | Kirov | I've put it off for too long |
| 07:18.16 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: don't waste your energy on the idiots who are simply spouting someone elses crap |
| 07:18.55 | Kirov | Every time I open up the code for LLe I get the urge to rewrite the entire thing from scratch to use ItemIDs instead of name |
| 07:19.03 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 07:19.10 | Esamynn | haha |
| 07:19.18 | AnduinLothar | did that for Wardrobe.. Really dont wanna do that again |
| 07:19.23 | Esamynn | do it!!!! |
| 07:20.12 | Esamynn | then you have some idea how i feel, re-organizing Gatherer's entire database table structure |
| 07:20.19 | AnduinLothar | hmm.. occurs to me I never published MinimapMicroButtons either.. |
| 07:20.30 | Rallion | I know what that urge feels like, it can be a terrible, terrible thing |
| 07:20.30 | Corrodias | ah, minimap buttons. i remember those. |
| 07:20.32 | Corrodias | i had a full ring |
| 07:20.38 | AnduinLothar | wonder if anyone wannts that.. |
| 07:21.03 | AnduinLothar | oi... shardtracker buttons eat babies |
| 07:21.03 | Esamynn | does it use Sea/Chronos/Sky, if so, hell no! ;) j/k |
| 07:21.24 | Corrodias | lol |
| 07:21.34 | Esamynn | eat babies huh? |
| 07:21.35 | AnduinLothar | um, think i made it standalone |
| 07:21.43 | AnduinLothar | since it doesn't have any hooks |
| 07:21.54 | Corrodias | libraries are for pussies who can't rewrite complex code that is compatible with other addons that use the same thing every single time! |
| 07:21.57 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: I'm just trying to get you to laugh at the idiots :P |
| 07:22.18 | zespri | what is LLe |
| 07:22.40 | AnduinLothar | well, the problem is i write libs and people whine when I use them... |
| 07:22.59 | AnduinLothar | but if i hide the code all in the addon they never know and don't whine |
| 07:23.17 | AnduinLothar | and if i embed something and don't tell anyone only 1% ever finds out |
| 07:23.33 | AnduinLothar | so i should just delete the embedded code part |
| 07:23.37 | Kirov | LootLink Enhanced |
| 07:23.44 | Corrodias | *enhanced |
| 07:24.07 | AnduinLothar | on the description |
| 07:24.18 | Kirov | Yes |
| 07:24.20 | AnduinLothar | and embed them without telling anyone |
| 07:24.43 | Kirov | They're not "really" dependancies |
| 07:24.54 | Kirov | they're not in the toc as such at least |
| 07:24.55 | Esamynn | public doesn't need to know what libraries you are using if they are embedded, those that care will know to look |
| 07:24.56 | AnduinLothar | problem is, it's a lib itself... |
| 07:25.14 | AnduinLothar | so anyone that uses it has to know how to load it.. |
| 07:25.42 | AnduinLothar | speaking of which i dont think i put instruction on that anywhere |
| 07:25.56 | AnduinLothar | prolly cause it's super simple |
| 07:25.57 | Esamynn | just use a single XML file that they add to their TOC |
| 07:26.09 | AnduinLothar | right, that's it |
| 07:26.23 | Esamynn | the XML file handles the loading of all the various files |
| 07:26.28 | Corrodias | if they don't know how to be dependent on something... how are they writing addons, again? |
| 07:26.59 | AnduinLothar | well embedded is a tad different and not as well known |
| 07:27.08 | Esamynn | think monkeys writing random gibberish until it works |
| 07:27.15 | AnduinLothar | but they CAN use it liek a regular lib |
| 07:29.14 | AnduinLothar | know what i find REALLY funny... is that Wardrobe, which has crap for code, has more DL's that Archaeologist, who's code is downright pretty. |
| 07:29.52 | Shadowed | only 5% of the users are ever going to actually look at the code though |
| 07:30.06 | Corrodias | most people, i think, download addons to use them, and they use them if they are useful and work well, not because they're written well |
| 07:30.08 | Shadowed | the rest just care if it works, and if something breaks they complain |
| 07:30.16 | Esamynn | its all in the public image |
| 07:30.29 | Esamynn | your libraries have a bad historical image, for whatever reason |
| 07:30.42 | AnduinLothar | prolyl cause i didn't start them |
| 07:31.00 | AnduinLothar | but then i didn't start wardrobe either |
| 07:31.08 | AnduinLothar | meh, i dunno |
| 07:31.27 | AnduinLothar | should just rename Sea to something else and put the same code in it |
| 07:31.28 | Shadowed | Usually if i take over something i rewrite the whole thing anyway |
| 07:31.59 | AnduinLothar | SeaHooks => Hookers |
| 07:32.11 | AnduinLothar | SeaPrint => Xerox |
| 07:32.25 | Rallion | I need to rewrite SVEdit. |
| 07:32.26 | Shadowed | Sea => ? |
| 07:32.28 | AnduinLothar | SeaString => StringBikini |
| 07:32.31 | Esamynn | .......................... |
| 07:32.37 | Shadowed | lol |
| 07:32.45 | AnduinLothar | Sea => Wet |
| 07:32.53 | Shadowed | do it |
| 07:33.09 | AnduinLothar | WetHookers |
| 07:33.15 | AnduinLothar | WetXerox |
| 07:33.23 | AnduinLothar | WetStringBikini |
| 07:33.24 | Esamynn | ............................................................................................................................................................ |
| 07:33.38 | zespri | lol |
| 07:33.38 | AnduinLothar | WetSpellbook |
| 07:34.08 | Elkano | security by obscurity does not work... but I don't know about renaming... ;) |
| 07:34.46 | zespri | as far as LLe goes, ww should wait while MentalPower finished his Itemizer =) |
| 07:35.17 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, what to i rename to WetPants |
| 07:35.36 | zespri | WetUnderpants sounds better |
| 07:35.38 | AnduinLothar | SeaMath maybe? |
| 07:35.56 | AnduinLothar | math makes me wet my pants... |
| 07:36.02 | Kirov | Sea -> Ocean! |
| 07:36.19 | AnduinLothar | Oceans11 |
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| 07:36.22 | AnduinLothar | Oceans12 |
| 07:36.28 | AnduinLothar | Oceans13 |
| 07:36.34 | zespri | and keep counting |
| 07:36.40 | AnduinLothar | Oceans1337 |
| 07:36.56 | Esamynn | Run Tain!, Run before it's too late! |
| 07:36.57 | Tain | Bah my power has been out all night. I'll run to anywhere that has AC. |
| 07:37.35 | AnduinLothar | well, I spose now that IsCasting is done i can put out my ArcaneParetyBars that uses it.. |
| 07:37.39 | Tain | And it wouldn't have been nearly as unbearable if the power didn't come back on for five minutes, and then out again. |
| 07:37.50 | Rallion | It taunts you! |
| 07:37.52 | Rallion | I hate that. |
| 07:38.42 | Tain | It did. :( And it's like 90 degrees and I couldn't sleep. So when it comes back on (now 5 minutes with power and counting!) and I open up my browser, what do I see on my google homepage? |
| 07:39.00 | Tain | "How To" Of the Day: How to Sleep Comfortably on a Hot Night |
| 07:39.16 | gnorlish | lemme guess |
| 07:39.21 | gnorlish | get an air conditioner |
| 07:39.28 | Tain | FU power. FU Internet. FU for taunting me. |
| 07:39.31 | Rallion | we get Time Warner outages a lot, which for me is even worse than power...i can deal with heat on a hot night, but not with a working computer without internet access, and no phone, and no TV... |
| 07:39.59 | Tain | Actually the How Tos are largely.. well common sense. This one said: |
| 07:40.02 | Esamynn | 8) |
| 07:40.07 | Elkano | sleep in the cellar? |
| 07:40.09 | Tain | Plug in your fan and turn it towards you. |
| 07:40.28 | Rallion | i don't like that method |
| 07:40.36 | Tain | "think cool thoughts" |
| 07:40.47 | Rallion | 90% of the time, I take at least an hour falling asleep, and by then I'm usually TOO cold |
| 07:41.05 | Tain | Sleep in a hammock |
| 07:42.06 | Esamynn | sigh, no one is biting at all tonight :( |
| 07:42.13 | Esamynn | Maybe I'll just go to bed |
| 07:42.41 | Esamynn | maybe my mood will have worn off by morning |
| 07:43.06 | Tain | Try alcohol! |
| 07:44.00 | Esamynn | hell, I don't need alcohol |
| 07:44.00 | Esamynn | trust me! |
| 07:44.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | grrrrrragh PTRs are still down |
| 07:44.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4:00 and i;m giving up on em |
| 07:44.50 | Shadowed | not back until tomorrow remember! |
| 07:44.51 | Esamynn | eeeek, Rabies!!! |
| 07:44.52 | Tain | Of course if I fall offline again I'm probably rocking back and forth in the dark weeping softly to myself since the power went out again. |
| 07:45.13 | Esamynn | ~comfort Tain |
| 07:45.20 | purl | There, there, Tain. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:45.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | alls i want to do is check my ferocious bite damage |
| 07:45.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that so much to ask for? :[ |
| 07:45.45 | Esamynn | you find the new rank already? |
| 07:45.46 | Tain | All I wanna do is zooma zoom zoom and a boom boom |
| 07:45.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | no esa |
| 07:46.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't even been able to log into the PTRs, every time i check, they're down |
| 07:46.11 | Esamynn | I didn't know they had changed it |
| 07:46.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | they scaled it with attack power |
| 07:46.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | same with rip |
| 07:46.26 | Esamynn | oh right, I fogot |
| 07:46.28 | Esamynn | forgot |
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| 07:46.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i have pretty bad AP |
| 07:46.44 | Esamynn | how could I have forgotten that? :( |
| 07:46.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | only 942 self buffed |
| 07:47.29 | Esamynn | feral spec? |
| 07:47.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 07:48.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got a 31.!% crit rate though |
| 07:48.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | 31.1% |
| 07:48.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i can't type atm, i'm about to fall asleep :[ |
| 07:49.07 | Tain | I had an .. interesting argument with someone in guildchat recently about crit rate. |
| 07:49.24 | Corrodias | an argument? |
| 07:49.34 | Tain | I mentioned my crit percentage was around 25 and someone said, "Stupid Rogues, you crit every other swing." |
| 07:49.45 | Tain | And I said well no, more like an average of 1 in 4. |
| 07:49.50 | Tain | "No it's way higher than that!" |
| 07:49.59 | Corrodias | he didn't understand what 25% is?! |
| 07:50.24 | Shadowed | He probably though you were dagger spec and had like 60% crit total |
| 07:50.34 | AnduinLothar | 25%? my pally has 27% in raid dps gear.. |
| 07:50.55 | Tain | Yeah, this is a new server, just started MC last week. |
| 07:50.59 | AnduinLothar | ah ok |
| 07:51.25 | Tain | Didn't even gear up great through other instances, it was like 3 weeks to 60 and MC. |
| 07:51.41 | Tain | And I was one of the slow ones to 60 of course. |
| 07:52.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Tain> "No it's way higher than that!" |
| 07:52.39 | Corrodias | 3 weeks impresses me |
| 07:52.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | with talents your average crit rate can be ~50% |
| 07:53.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's because certain abilities get more crit |
| 07:53.37 | Tain | Yes I know, but you're giving the person in question too much credit for thinking it through. |
| 07:54.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably :P |
| 07:54.07 | Esamynn | oh well, anyways, good night all |
| 07:54.26 | Tain | Actually I should have set it up with the fact that we were talking about white damage and how I had pulled aggro (somehow, absurdly) from a warrior doing only white damage. |
| 07:54.41 | Tain | And I *know* it was the Warrior's fault. |
| 07:54.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been to MC enough times to almost be exalted with hydraxian waterlords, seen nef die about 20 times, and have seen most of AQ40 plenty of times, but my cat gear is all blue |
| 07:54.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | my guild sucks. |
| 07:54.54 | Tain | There's no way anyone should be able to do that. |
| 07:54.55 | Corrodias | what is white damage? |
| 07:55.11 | Tain | No special attacks. As a rogue. No sinister strike, eviscerate, etc. |
| 07:55.13 | Esamynn | Rabies: why is it still all blue? |
| 07:55.18 | Tain | Just autoattack. |
| 07:55.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | because my guild has everything on priority for someone else |
| 07:55.26 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 07:55.36 | Tain | Oh why it's called white damage I dunno, that's their convention. |
| 07:55.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids only have any priority on leather gear with +healing. |
| 07:55.47 | Corrodias | i understand why |
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| 07:55.55 | Esamynn | no dkp? |
| 07:56.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah we have dkp but there's still priority |
| 07:56.08 | Esamynn | fuck that |
| 07:56.11 | Esamynn | excuse my language |
| 07:56.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could have 4x as much dkp as a rogue but he gets it because he can use it more |
| 07:56.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's really lame |
| 07:56.27 | Tain | I was looking into different people's DKP systems to suggest some things, and was amazed at how some of them work. |
| 07:56.31 | Esamynn | that is just fucked up |
| 07:56.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's the only guild on my server that even ALLOWS druids to spec feral |
| 07:56.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guild leader also talks about me behind my back and is a general jackass |
| 07:56.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i have no other option. |
| 07:57.00 | Tain | I think there *can* be good things put in place with loot preference for certain classes, but I personally don't like doing it. I think it works out in the end. |
| 07:57.00 | Esamynn | server transfer |
| 07:57.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to wait on pve-pvp if that ever happens |
| 07:57.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't want a 6 month cooldown while it's up |
| 07:57.27 | Tain | But I saw one system where officers could force someone to spend DKP on a drop they didn't want if the officers thought it was a sufficient upgrade. |
| 07:57.36 | Esamynn | Rabies: It'll never happen |
| 07:57.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | that happens in our guild tain |
| 07:57.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been forced to waste dkp on stormrage so much |
| 07:58.12 | Esamynn | has Malfurion's dropped? |
| 07:58.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 07:58.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have that. |
| 07:58.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's my bear chest |
| 07:58.29 | AnduinLothar | we have no dkp in my guild, it's leet |
| 07:58.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tombstone is better in the long run for dps |
| 07:58.42 | Tain | I would unleash such a profanity laden verbal tirade if anyone tried to force upgrades on me like that I wouldn't even get to myself quitting. |
| 07:58.55 | Tain | They'd almost certainly remove me. |
| 07:58.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, that's how i got kicked out of my last guild :P |
| 07:59.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i went on a giant tyrade on the "good old boys" that ran the thing |
| 07:59.30 | Tain | AnduinLothar: There's a big resurgance of "loot council" type awarding. |
| 07:59.43 | Esamynn | hmmm, my guild is looking for a Druid, although they might be surprised by a feral applicant.... |
| 07:59.55 | Esamynn | that wants to be feral in raids |
| 08:00.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's my only option. |
| 08:00.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've healbotted for too long, i hate ONLY healing |
| 08:00.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't mind doing it every now and then if healers are low |
| 08:00.33 | Tain | Druids have it difficult because the vast majority of the time they're needed as healers on raids, and dps or "tanking" as an emergency. |
| 08:00.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | last BWL run had 16 HEALERS and i sitll had to heal |
| 08:00.42 | AnduinLothar | my guild has had 'loot council' since day 1 |
| 08:01.00 | AnduinLothar | officers and a random raid member |
| 08:01.03 | Esamynn | Rabies: I'd be looking into a server transfer if I were you |
| 08:01.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just milking purples from them now |
| 08:01.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | the thing is, esamynn |
| 08:01.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to pvp |
| 08:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know any pve servers with good pvp |
| 08:01.49 | Esamynn | true enough |
| 08:02.04 | AnduinLothar | using a 'ratio' based off of AttendancePoints/LootsAwarded for the last 90 days and what they're currently using for that purpose (replacing) as guidelines |
| 08:02.06 | Esamynn | but is it really worth hoping Blizz will change policy and let you? |
| 08:02.18 | Tain | It just makes me laugh because it all comes in cycles. People went en masse to dkp systems because they felt officers deciding wasn't fair enough (or whatever reasons, there can be many). Now it's starting to swing back to it. |
| 08:02.20 | Esamynn | wouldn't you be better off starting fresh? |
| 08:02.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just hold onto the hope that one day blizzard will realize that there's a market for people that messed up their original choice and don't want to completely reroll |
| 08:02.33 | AnduinLothar | only problem is it takes a lot longer to delegate loot than dkp bidding |
| 08:02.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's too much of a pain to level and properly gear up a druid |
| 08:02.55 | Tain | I'm waiting for alpha loot to come around again. |
| 08:02.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've spent 90 days played, since december 04, getting the gear i want |
| 08:02.59 | Esamynn | yes, that is true, but still, if you want it that bad |
| 08:03.18 | Esamynn | I've got about the same amount of play time |
| 08:03.35 | AnduinLothar | i don't think fair really has too much to do with it |
| 08:03.37 | Tain | I still personally favor a points system, but there are so many what I consider poor implementations out there. |
| 08:03.37 | Esamynn | I'm soo damn lucky to have found my guild, I still can't figure out how I got so lucky |
| 08:03.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | the problem is |
| 08:03.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if i reroll |
| 08:03.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do i know it's a good server, etc? |
| 08:03.55 | Tain | That's funny Esamynn, I feel similar! My guild is so damn lucky to have found me! |
| 08:04.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | you don't until you have established characters |
| 08:04.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | llane is a TERRIBLE server |
| 08:04.19 | Esamynn | Tain: my guild feels the same way about me, I write the Raid invites AddOn ;) |
| 08:04.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i suggest everyone avoid it like a plague |
| 08:04.28 | Esamynn | the officers that do invites think i'm a godsend |
| 08:04.53 | AnduinLothar | i trust, respect and enjoy playing with my guild mates and officers... So I don't mind them deciding if an item will help someone more than me as long as they look at all the evidance and have a good reason |
| 08:04.54 | Esamynn | not to mention I pulled our collective asses out of the fire on Anub'Rekhan over the weekend |
| 08:05.42 | Tain | My only concern with systems like that AnduinLothar is when things get overlooked. As long as they're taking the time to review attendance, current gear, past upgrades, it works great. Takes longer like you said, yeah. |
| 08:05.53 | AnduinLothar | cause it lets me be a greedy bastard and 'bid' on anything |
| 08:06.18 | Esamynn | lol |
| 08:06.25 | Esamynn | ~lart AnduinLothar |
| 08:06.25 | Tain | But I've seen and other people experience when it goes badly because someone forgets about the warrior who is quiet and doesn't speak up in guildchat but is always there doing his job, things like that. |
| 08:06.35 | AnduinLothar | and if I don't win it i dont feel bad, like i didn't earn enough points to deserve it or something |
| 08:07.09 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 08:07.09 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 08:07.17 | AnduinLothar | we have a 'bid on anythign you would actually use' policy |
| 08:07.27 | Tain | It's funny playing with people who have already been through MC, BWL, etc. hundreds of times on other servers. |
| 08:07.39 | AnduinLothar | how so? |
| 08:07.52 | Tain | Things are sometimes getting sharded on their first drops because the people playing know they'll never use it. |
| 08:08.00 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:08.01 | Esamynn | Tain: why the choice to start fresh? |
| 08:08.19 | AnduinLothar | nexusstike |
| 08:08.27 | AnduinLothar | Nexustrike* |
| 08:08.28 | Tain | I wasn't even playing, just to do addon testing. Some friends I played with originally told me they were doing it so I joined in. |
| 08:08.30 | Esamynn | ahh Nexus Strike |
| 08:08.48 | Tain | So they started new on a brand new server when it opned. |
| 08:09.01 | AnduinLothar | Flamewalker Nexuspants |
| 08:09.04 | Esamynn | you know what, I DO NOT miss MC, not at all, we haven't run it for a month now |
| 08:09.27 | Tain | Which was fine but the transfers have really thrown everything off. I think it was a mistake to let people transfer in to servers that don't even have AQ open yet. |
| 08:09.45 | Esamynn | aye, I agree |
| 08:09.48 | AnduinLothar | there are still servers like that? |
| 08:09.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the servers i want to transfer to are pvp raagh |
| 08:09.56 | AnduinLothar | thought they all openned it? |
| 08:10.14 | Tain | They opened new servers just a couple of months ago, not all are open. |
| 08:10.19 | Esamynn | the destination realms are still limited Anduin |
| 08:10.24 | Tain | Of course my server didn't even finish the Scourge invasion fights. |
| 08:10.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only thing that "autocompletes" is the war effort |
| 08:10.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | you still have to do the quest to open the gates |
| 08:10.35 | AnduinLothar | oic |
| 08:11.10 | Esamynn | Rabies: I don't think so, I think the npcs will open the gates evetually to won't they? |
| 08:11.20 | Esamynn | s/to/too/ |
| 08:11.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | last i heard it was just the war effert |
| 08:11.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | effort |
| 08:11.41 | Tain | It's not as bad as it could be, people brought over stuff and put it up on the AH for obscene prices, and people were mostly, "Piss off, asshole." and didn't bite. |
| 08:12.04 | Corrodias | what a stupid idea |
| 08:12.12 | Corrodias | 1) if he HAD that kind of money, would he be a noob who needed it? unlikely |
| 08:12.35 | Tain | A few of the AQ handbook upgrades, people trying to get like 2k for them. |
| 08:12.37 | Tain | It was funny. |
| 08:12.45 | Corrodias | ...the rest of the points are pretty much redundant. only people who buy money would bother to buy AH items like that. |
| 08:12.50 | Esamynn | gold buying hasn't set in yet |
| 08:13.05 | Esamynn | as much as I hate to admit it, it's all too real :( |
| 08:13.08 | Tain | haha actually Bliz came down hard on gold sellers on my server. |
| 08:13.21 | MoonWolf | one day when i get rich.. i have to ultimate marketing scheme |
| 08:13.30 | Esamynn | they do what they can, but its a big problem still |
| 08:13.30 | Tain | Someone mentioned to me they tried to buy some and were told all their accts were banned and they had to rebuild inventory. |
| 08:13.40 | MoonWolf | i am going to buy gold... enough gold to buy every itme on the ah and put it back for one silver profit after ah cuts. |
| 08:13.55 | Esamynn | lol |
| 08:14.35 | Corrodias | well, we'll have to assume there that 1) everything always sells and 2) you always get there before anyone else can buy things... |
| 08:15.16 | MoonWolf | techinalities. |
| 08:15.29 | Esamynn | the devil is in the details |
| 08:15.34 | MoonWolf | (and me earning enough money to buy that amount of gold) |
| 08:16.41 | Esamynn | ok, this is worth seeing: |
| 08:16.43 | Esamynn | ~devil |
| 08:16.44 | purl | They say if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear satanic messages. What's even more scary is if you play it forward, it installs Windows. |
| 08:16.55 | Tain | hah |
| 08:17.08 | MoonWolf | heh |
| 08:17.18 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:17.39 | AnduinLothar | that's awesome |
| 08:17.55 | Esamynn | there's another one too, but it's not as good |
| 08:17.57 | Esamynn | ~devil |
| 08:17.58 | purl | <Kathie Lee Gifford> I've come for esamynn's sole |
| 08:18.16 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 08:18.16 | purl | Esamynn: aw, gee |
| 08:18.27 | zenzelezz | his sole? What would she want that for? |
| 08:18.59 | AnduinLothar | do you know who Kathie Lee Gifford is? |
| 08:19.00 | Esamynn | as I said, the other message wasn't as good as the first one |
| 08:19.04 | Kirov | It's made of leather, and she really likes jello leather? |
| 08:19.17 | Esamynn | no, I don't actually |
| 08:19.26 | AnduinLothar | thus why it's not funny |
| 08:19.29 | Corrodias | i have no idea who she is |
| 08:19.34 | Esamynn | do tell? |
| 08:20.24 | zenzelezz | I only know Kathie Lee Gifford from that one South Park episode |
| 08:24.17 | Esamynn | ok, i'm really going to bed now, work in 6 hours |
| 08:24.20 | Esamynn | night all |
| 08:24.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah me too |
| 08:24.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i give up on the ptrs |
| 08:24.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and now i'm all depressed about my guild/server problem. |
| 08:25.15 | Corrodias | move. |
| 08:25.18 | Corrodias | $25. |
| 08:25.22 | Corrodias | or starting over |
| 08:25.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | but where? |
| 08:25.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do i know the next place i move won't be the same boat? |
| 08:25.57 | Corrodias | are you on a pve realm? |
| 08:26.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 08:26.11 | Corrodias | eldre'thalas |
| 08:26.25 | Corrodias | actually, i don't know how the big guilds roll |
| 08:26.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | are they cool with feral druids on alliance? |
| 08:26.47 | Corrodias | but maybe you can ask on the forum. i especially don't know how things are done on the alliance side. |
| 08:27.34 | krka|work | cool stuff: http://www.whatthebleep.com/trailer/DS_sm2.wmv |
| 08:27.39 | Tain | The vast, vast majority of raiding guilds don't want feral druids. |
| 08:27.41 | Corrodias | "feral" isn't really a focus as much as "bear", "cat", and "both" are |
| 08:27.52 | zenzelezz | I find it funny when our moonkin druid leads our raids... big owl running around showing how to do stuff just looks funny |
| 08:28.31 | Corrodias | a bear druid certainly has its uses. in fact, i recall reading about one guild in MC who uses a bear druid as the MT, although i don't remember what realm it's in |
| 08:28.52 | Corrodias | a cat druid... well, i don't see how they do much for you, to be honest |
| 08:28.52 | AnduinLothar | we have 1 really good feral druid |
| 08:29.12 | AnduinLothar | he tanks ony sometimes and jindo |
| 08:29.35 | AnduinLothar | and subs as tank if we dont have enough warriors |
| 08:29.52 | zenzelezz | I thought druids tanked Jin'do because they can't get polymorphed in some form? Or did I just misread that part |
| 08:30.07 | AnduinLothar | and dps's as cat most of the time |
| 08:30.07 | Corrodias | let's see, i think they're really good at keeping aggro on one enemy, is that right? |
| 08:30.25 | AnduinLothar | they have good 1 target agro, yeah |
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| 08:35.41 | Corrodias | my druid was well on his way to mediocrity, so i have some experience with them |
| 08:35.49 | Corrodias | well, two versions ago |
| 08:38.51 | Tain | Druids are very versatile and can fill in a number of roles. Unfortunatly that doesn't always translate well to a raid with defined roles. |
| 08:39.08 | Corrodias | AGH! i was just struck with a terrible pang of Spore lust. |
| 08:39.38 | Tain | Damn you Corrodias, I'm trying to put it out of my mind since it's so far away. |
| 08:40.19 | Corrodias | nearly a year, isn't it? |
| 08:40.26 | MoonWolf | damn both of you |
| 08:40.32 | MoonWolf | now I want it too. |
| 08:41.00 | MoonWolf | Corrodias, on our realm our biggest guild uses a druid taknk. |
| 08:41.18 | MoonWolf | tank* |
| 08:41.19 | Corrodias | perhaps the planned publisher's marketting department is sending out mind-control rays |
| 08:41.48 | MoonWolf | what do i care |
| 08:41.52 | MoonWolf | i want to play it! |
| 08:42.03 | Corrodias | GET YOUR TIN FOIL HAT ON |
| 08:42.28 | MoonWolf | tin foil hats only HELP you conduct BETTER. |
| 08:42.57 | Corrodias | there you go, use MoonWolf's realm, unless it's pvp, in which case forget he said anything |
| 08:43.08 | MoonWolf | its rp-pvp |
| 08:43.22 | MoonWolf | and they already HAVE a tank. |
| 08:43.39 | Corrodias | and how well do people actually bother to roleplay? |
| 08:43.56 | Corrodias | just curious; i've never been on such a realm |
| 08:44.20 | MoonWolf | thats depends on a number of things, don' t expect roleplay in goldshire not of the serieus kind anyway |
| 08:44.28 | Corrodias | i've heard of some bad moments in Neverwinter Nights player worlds |
| 08:44.30 | MoonWolf | good RP is mostly found in the confines of guilds. |
| 08:44.39 | MoonWolf | although some event are held. |
| 08:44.54 | Corrodias | goldshire? |
| 08:45.03 | MoonWolf | alliance town. |
| 08:45.10 | Tain | Damn August 7 next Darkmoon Faire. got a deck of elements to turn in |
| 08:45.16 | MoonWolf | usually filled with naked nightelves pretending to be lesbian vampires. |
| 08:45.25 | Corrodias | er. |
| 08:46.08 | MoonWolf | and on the hihg end zones people talk in a rp-ish way in /say but don' t expect any character progression or stuff there. |
| 08:46.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | <zenzelezz> I thought druids tanked Jin'do because they can't get polymorphed in some form? Or did I just misread that part |
| 08:46.15 | MoonWolf | unless you are lucky. |
| 08:46.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids can't be polymorphed in forms. |
| 08:46.35 | MoonWolf | and can shift out of polies from caster right ? |
| 08:46.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes. |
| 08:47.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | sadly though the noob druids that never use their forms in my guild didn't know they |
| 08:47.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | that |
| 08:47.14 | Corrodias | and all forms of ... what you call it when you hold someone in place |
| 08:47.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | so they were stuck as zebras and crap in the nef fight |
| 08:47.25 | MoonWolf | snares |
| 08:47.35 | MoonWolf | idiots |
| 08:47.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 08:47.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're all healbot mindset |
| 08:47.47 | MoonWolf | read you spell discriptions people. |
| 08:47.52 | Corrodias | that's it. though, usually, as a caster, i felt that i'd rather wait out a snare (since i wasn't getting hit) than shift out of it |
| 08:47.58 | zenzelezz | snares if it's speed debuff, root if it prevents you from moving at all |
| 08:47.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what happens when you get healbot druids exclusively |
| 08:47.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're dumb as dirt |
| 08:48.34 | MoonWolf | well, if you are in range and nothing is the matter. no need to get out of snare or root. |
| 08:48.44 | Corrodias | a 6-second root isn't much when you'd just be standing around otherwise, anyway. i know it -does- have a use if you're trying to run, though! :D |
| 08:48.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you want to kill something :P |
| 08:48.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll break roots to drop rogues all the time |
| 08:49.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | or mages, especially mages :P |
| 08:49.20 | MoonWolf | mages are evil |
| 08:49.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll burn my 500 mana (700 untalented) to drop a mage in a few secs before he drops me |
| 08:49.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | mages are cake for me |
| 08:49.32 | MoonWolf | look every second spell i have causes you to get frozen or to loose speed. |
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| 08:49.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's why they're cake for me |
| 08:49.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause i decide to burn my mana to break that |
| 08:50.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's much better to be OOM than daed |
| 08:50.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | dead* |
| 08:50.29 | Corrodias | aeaeaeaeae |
| 08:52.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | aeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaae |
| 08:53.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just tired of this bs, and it's not easy to figure out how to overcome it without having a raiding 60 on every server. |
| 08:54.35 | Corrodias | okay, well, it can be hard to find the BEST realm, but you might be able to find a GOOD realm by asking on a few, randomly chosen ones' forums |
| 08:55.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, that would get me gkicked, unless i was careful and posted on an alt and turned off my sig :P |
| 08:55.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | which i may end up doing |
| 08:55.59 | AnduinLothar | really? that would get you kicked? |
| 08:56.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 08:56.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | so does applying to other guilds |
| 08:56.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | or even asking |
| 08:56.16 | AnduinLothar | wow, you should leave that guild before they kick you |
| 08:56.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | no other place to go |
| 08:56.33 | Corrodias | yeah, i recommend you not stay in such a bad guild, even if you can't find another. |
| 08:56.43 | Corrodias | freelance, do PuG MC. ;) |
| 08:56.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather deprive them of purples than not have any guild |
| 08:56.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | there is no PuG MC on my server |
| 08:56.57 | Corrodias | start one |
| 08:57.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's 3 guilds and they're all closed minded and idiotic |
| 08:57.17 | AnduinLothar | we have one guy who has scheduled pug ony nd mc raids on Kil'jaeden |
| 08:57.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | and all the pug players can't even do a strat run in less than 4 hours |
| 08:58.45 | Corrodias | man... guilds are not easy to manage |
| 08:58.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's depressing, knowing you can't advance your character and really haven't in almost a year |
| 08:59.01 | Corrodias | hahah, i remember plenty of drama on eldre'thalas even in the two months i played |
| 08:59.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i ran one for a while |
| 08:59.13 | AnduinLothar | nah, i gathered top of the line blues for a year |
| 08:59.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | my blues are some of the best you can get |
| 08:59.38 | AnduinLothar | 5-15mans over and over untill i had every possible rare drop i could use |
| 08:59.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i've seen enough so that i should be in mostly purples by now |
| 08:59.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've ran ubrs over 200 times and never got my wildheart vest |
| 09:00.17 | s|loup | whats pug? |
| 09:00.27 | Shadowed | pugs are a word used to scare children |
| 09:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | pick up group |
| 09:00.49 | AnduinLothar | i ran ubrs for a year and a half before lightforge chest dropped... after i already had zg and tier1 chests |
| 09:01.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i've got 7/8 cenarion and 4/8 stormrage |
| 09:01.16 | Tain | I'd quit playing before I relied on pugs for most of my stuff. |
| 09:01.26 | Tain | It isn't worth the aggrivation to me. |
| 09:01.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and don't feel as though my character has advanced much |
| 09:01.32 | AnduinLothar | deflector drops a lot |
| 09:01.37 | Shadowed | Tain: The thing is, you need to do pugs as a healer |
| 09:01.39 | Corrodias | i quit playing before i did a lot of things. :) |
| 09:01.44 | s|loup | its part of the game to play with unknown players |
| 09:01.52 | Shadowed | I can't stand them, but when I can let the idiots die and make it look like an accident it's more fun |
| 09:01.57 | Corrodias | amazing, it's already 4 am and i haven't played anything at all |
| 09:02.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'm always forced to get healbot gear and never can get dps gear because everyone else has priority |
| 09:02.19 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies2: druid? |
| 09:02.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | our class leader is feral, and he's in the same boat i'm in |
| 09:02.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes Shadowed |
| 09:02.39 | AnduinLothar | i main healed ubrs today as the only healer on my pally :) that's advancement |
| 09:02.53 | AnduinLothar | pug |
| 09:02.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | wouldn't work on my server, the pugs are far too dumb |
| 09:03.04 | Shadowed | if druids were a dime a dozen people would let them DPS more |
| 09:03.23 | AnduinLothar | we're actually short on mages.. |
| 09:03.25 | Shadowed | but it's usually pretty hard to find one, let alone a good one |
| 09:03.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | the reason they're not a dime a dozen is because of how complex they are and no one lets them do anything but heal :P |
| 09:03.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd venture to say i'm a good druid |
| 09:03.49 | Corrodias | i enjoyed healing. i loved healing. :( |
| 09:03.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | not the best, but i'm good enough to know what counters what |
| 09:03.58 | Shadowed | but yeah |
| 09:04.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm good enough to know that i should shift out when the hunter's trying to scare me, or run 5 yards away |
| 09:04.15 | Shadowed | if you can find a good druid, you want them healing not DPSing which can be filled by another class that doesn't have to be played as well |
| 09:04.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm good enough to know that when i get ignite mana i should shift into bear |
| 09:04.44 | Corrodias | hah, i don't even know what ignite mana is |
| 09:04.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they, in most cases, don't want to do nothing but heal if they're a good druid |
| 09:05.04 | Shadowed | Corrodias: MC spell that basically burns mana and health |
| 09:05.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and happy healers are good healers. |
| 09:05.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll let people die all the time if i'm in a run that i don't really want to be on |
| 09:05.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause i'm focusing on something else trying to get it over with |
| 09:05.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if i'm really into the run and feel like healing i'll keep people alive and happy |
| 09:06.14 | Shadowed | well, if we're talking pugs. I let people die all the time, usually for an overdose on stupidity or they are fury |
| 09:06.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't like being forced to do one thing all the time on a class that's strengths are in doing more than one thing. |
| 09:06.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm talking MC/BWL. |
| 09:06.37 | Corrodias | i can't say i ever intentionally did a bad job |
| 09:06.41 | AnduinLothar | :) get a better guild |
| 09:06.44 | MoonWolf | i did once |
| 09:06.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is the best guild on my server AL |
| 09:06.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the thing |
| 09:06.57 | Shadowed | AnduinLothar: It'll be pretty damn hard to find a guild that'll let you go feral |
| 09:07.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is the only guild i can even SPEC feral. |
| 09:07.02 | AnduinLothar | i dps in mc when i feel like it or we're short on healers |
| 09:07.03 | Corrodias | i recall one specific example in Guild Wars in which i couldn't heal them despite my best efforts because they were just doing that badly |
| 09:07.11 | MoonWolf | but rogue should have started waiting for the warrior to get a decent amount of agro. |
| 09:07.15 | Shadowed | Unless you can get really specific gear and you're specced just for it, Rogues/Warriors still do better damage |
| 09:07.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the thing is |
| 09:07.31 | MoonWolf | guildwars healing is pretty easy |
| 09:07.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can combat res and innervate, shadowed |
| 09:07.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd like to see a warrior stop dpsing to res a healer or tank, or bring a priest's mana bar up to half from nothing |
| 09:07.58 | MoonWolf | having spells that increase hp regen rate and give two healing effects. |
| 09:08.07 | Shadowed | Somebody who can heal, combat res and innervate is still more preferred then somebody who can do those but not as good damage as rogues/warriors. |
| 09:08.10 | Corrodias | in a pve setting, it's easier than, say, eating a bucket of pudding |
| 09:08.15 | Corrodias | i'll give you that much |
| 09:08.19 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 09:08.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadowed, that's a flawed preference then. |
| 09:08.26 | Shadowed | not really |
| 09:08.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | killing something faster = less healing needed = happier everyone |
| 09:08.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | my contributions outweigh a rogue in my spot |
| 09:08.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially when i'm put in a group with 4 rogues. |
| 09:09.11 | Shadowed | If you're trying to get the most out of your raid you want people doing what they're meant to do or what they can do best. Druids aren't going to do that very good damage or have access to a lot of feral gear until AQ40/nax. |
| 09:09.15 | Corrodias | the trick here is having gear that's good for both cat form -and- healing |
| 09:09.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | You're going to want people enjoying what they're doing shadowed.' |
| 09:09.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | If someone isn't enjoying doing nothing but healing, they're not going to be healing well. |
| 09:09.58 | Corrodias | if you enjoy being less useful than bob and refuse to play in a more useful position, we'll take bob instead of you |
| 09:10.08 | Shadowed | If somebody isn't enjoying what they are doing they should talk to there guild leader or officers, and if they still can't solve it then they probably have to find another guild or deal with it. |
| 09:10.19 | Shadowed | basically what Corrodias said |
| 09:10.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | honestly, druids are just as good as healing compared to priests as they are at dpsing compared to rogues when they're in similar gear |
| 09:10.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and you guys would be in the guild i'm in, then. |
| 09:10.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | same mindset. |
| 09:10.44 | Corrodias | but you don't realize that you can't switch gear during combat |
| 09:10.47 | Shadowed | how far into BWL are you guys? |
| 09:10.50 | Corrodias | or you have not taken that into account, anyway |
| 09:10.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | cleared |
| 09:10.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're to twin emps. |
| 09:11.15 | Corrodias | if you're attacking with your healing gear on, you won't be doing much damage. if you're healing with some feral gear on, you won't be healing as well. |
| 09:11.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | and? |
| 09:11.36 | Corrodias | and that nullifies your versatility within each battle |
| 09:11.40 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 09:11.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's part of playing a druid |
| 09:11.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | knowing what gear you need. |
| 09:12.17 | Shadowed | Once you start getting into nax you wont have a "I can DPS for a little bit, then switch to healing." or changing gear out for bosses |
| 09:12.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids aren't meant to be stuck in the back doing nothing but healing every fight. |
| 09:12.28 | Shadowed | most likely you will need to be healing, and melee damage will be rogues/warriors |
| 09:12.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | did i ever say that? i never mentioned switching roles mid-fight |
| 09:12.40 | Shadowed | But they aren't meant to be doing the same damage or tanking as well as a warrior either. |
| 09:13.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but rogues or warriors can't res or innervate or emergency heal if necessary. |
| 09:13.05 | AnduinLothar | swap armor between fights |
| 09:13.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | exactly, AL |
| 09:13.15 | Corrodias | your last statement is correct |
| 09:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | you guys are the same closed-minded mindset as the guild im in. |
| 09:13.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | just because we can't output the same pure DPS as a rogue or warrior doesn't mean we should be allowed to DPS ever. |
| 09:14.04 | AnduinLothar | it's a game, you should be able to do what you enjoy |
| 09:14.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | exactly |
| 09:14.18 | Corrodias | so i forgot about the combat res. i haven't played in 6 months. |
| 09:14.27 | Shadowed | I know some people who never will heal and are feral druids, some who are 51 resto and some who prefer to do a bit of both. |
| 09:14.29 | s|loup | no its a game to play like the others want |
| 09:14.31 | AnduinLothar | if i wanna dps, let me dps. If i suck I'm nto gonna get better by never practicing |
| 09:14.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you HAVE to do something because it's NEEDED, then it's a JOB, not a game. |
| 09:14.52 | AnduinLothar | granted for raid progress you want to be doign hat you're best at tho |
| 09:14.53 | Shadowed | One of my friends who enjoys doing both understood that he is more useful to his guild as a healer and not as a feral druid DPSing during nax. |
| 09:15.05 | s|loup | if you havent noticed that healers are the bitches of the game you have lost contact to the game :D |
| 09:15.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's why i'm not letting myself become a healbitch. |
| 09:15.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'm being a malcom x of feral druids. |
| 09:15.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'm willing to kill for equality. |
| 09:15.58 | s|loup | wasnt malcom x be killed? |
| 09:16.00 | Shadowed | If your goal is to just do what you want and nothing else, then raiding probably isn't for you. If you want to do whats best for your guild and don't mind putting away what you want to do most then raiding is great. |
| 09:16.07 | Corrodias | i agree that having a few druids as "insurance" with a combat res and emergency healing can certainly be helpful, whatever role they happen to be filling otherwise |
| 09:16.11 | AnduinLothar | if we're doing something that we can only do if i heal, then i dont mind healing. but if it's mc which we can 30 man easily i should be able to dps for fun |
| 09:16.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | think about what you're saying shadowed. |
| 09:16.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're saying, if you're not willing to let a guild control how you play a game, then you shouldn't be playing the game. |
| 09:16.43 | Corrodias | you misunderstood him |
| 09:16.46 | Tain | That's not what he said at all. |
| 09:16.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only people that should control how i play this game is blizzard. |
| 09:16.51 | Corrodias | "then you shouldn't be raiding with a guild" |
| 09:16.55 | Shadowed | No, i'm saying if you aren't willing to put the guild as a whole you probably aren't going to enjoy raiding. |
| 09:17.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | raiding with a guild is palying at 60. |
| 09:17.01 | s|loup | Shadowed do you think that rouges must change their play in raids beside sologames? |
| 09:17.01 | Shadowed | *as a whole before what you want |
| 09:17.12 | s|loup | or mages? |
| 09:17.19 | Tain | Apples to oranges. |
| 09:17.25 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 09:17.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | so the classes that have options don't get to use those options? |
| 09:17.39 | Tain | Rogues and Mages only have a single purpose. They only have one thing they can do. DPS |
| 09:17.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's complete bullshit. |
| 09:17.46 | krka|work | feel free to play however you want in a raid... you just have to find 39 other people that accept your style of play |
| 09:17.50 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 09:18.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | people SHOULD understand that there are merits to having a variety of specs |
| 09:18.08 | AnduinLothar | vending machine |
| 09:18.11 | Corrodias | i feel now that anything i say in this conversation is going to be overlooked or hastily misunderstood, so i'm going to leave. |
| 09:18.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why they exist |
| 09:18.34 | AnduinLothar | different expectations |
| 09:18.34 | Shadowed | Raiding is working as a team basically. The team functions better when people don't mind putting aside for the team as a whole, now yes you could go find a guild that doesn't mind letting all the priests be shadow spec and such, but that probably means you aren't going to make as much or as quickly progress as the guild who has people who put the team ahead of what they want. |
| 09:18.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | go for it corrodias, i'm not changing two minds in here anyway, so go for it |
| 09:18.39 | AnduinLothar | I expect to have fun :) |
| 09:18.45 | Tain | There are merits to having choices. Not all choices are good for raiding. |
| 09:18.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's where the strength of druids lies though |
| 09:19.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | in their choice to decide what they should do the moment before a fight begins. |
| 09:19.11 | Corrodias | i'm going to ignore that you said that, in light of what i just said about being misunderstood |
| 09:19.13 | Shadowed | If you want to be a feral druid and raid, you probably will have to find a guild that doesn't inforce spec and is pretty laid back |
| 09:19.13 | Tain | The strengh of a druid lies in doing what he's asked to because he has options. |
| 09:19.25 | Tain | The flaw in druids lies in players who do what they want to because they can. |
| 09:19.40 | Corrodias | but i advise that you not try to excite me, because i'm not directly opposing you |
| 09:20.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | doing what you're asked means you're having a guild play your character, that's designed for verstatility, as a non-versatile character. |
| 09:20.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's not playing a druid the right way. |
| 09:20.29 | Tain | It's playing a druid the way that's most helpful to the guild as a whole per encounter. |
| 09:20.31 | s|loup | we have an owl and we have a feral and both are goods druids and a good part of the raid |
| 09:20.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather not go to a raid than heal the entire time. |
| 09:21.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'll let healbitches take my spot if they really want them. |
| 09:21.14 | Tain | That attitude is why druids have such a bad reputation. |
| 09:21.29 | AnduinLothar | "most helpful to the guild as a whole per encounter" is not always healing, nor always fun |
| 09:21.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | ^ |
| 09:21.39 | Tain | I never said it was. |
| 09:21.48 | AnduinLothar | not dissagreeing with you |
| 09:21.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what guilds say though |
| 09:21.56 | Tain | Druids can have different things asked of them in different encounters. |
| 09:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | if that's their option, they'd always rather have a healer than dps. |
| 09:22.05 | AnduinLothar | right, it's commonly expected |
| 09:22.06 | Tain | Healing and NOT dpsing is one of them. |
| 09:22.22 | Corrodias | if they only want one thing, perhaps the guild doesn't know what it's doing. |
| 09:22.28 | AnduinLothar | depends on who's in charge |
| 09:22.29 | Tain | Some encounters druids are neeed to dps, some to heal, some to sleep things. |
| 09:22.38 | Tain | However if a druid refuses to heal... fuck 'em. |
| 09:22.41 | AnduinLothar | you have druid officers you respect? |
| 09:22.44 | Tain | Fuck 'em right in their shaggy little asses. |
| 09:22.46 | Corrodias | i mean, if they -always- want one thing, you should evaluate if the people in charge understand druids. |
| 09:22.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost every guild i've ever seen only wants druids to heal. |
| 09:22.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | ever. |
| 09:22.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | in every fight. |
| 09:23.07 | s|loup | oO |
| 09:23.10 | AnduinLothar | transfer to KJ, we'll have fun |
| 09:23.21 | Tain | Most raid encounters need more healing. |
| 09:23.22 | s|loup | than it looks like that you have never found the right persons |
| 09:23.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they prepare the raid in that way, filling in priests as needed and the rest of the priest spots go to druids |
| 09:23.52 | AnduinLothar | not sure we need more druids tho... but we're not really overflowing with them either.. |
| 09:23.58 | Shadowed | druids are really powerful healers, replacing them all or mostly with priests would hurt the raid |
| 09:24.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and druids are expected to be priests while in raids, for the most part. |
| 09:24.05 | Tain | I've never been in a guild that had such an overabundance of priests. |
| 09:24.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really, shadowed |
| 09:24.21 | Tain | Healing has always been priests, druids, paladins/shamans. |
| 09:24.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but conversely, replacing every priest with druids would completely break the raid. |
| 09:24.23 | AnduinLothar | heh, always short on priests |
| 09:24.35 | AnduinLothar | but we have paladins to compensate |
| 09:24.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i told you, the other day we had SIXTEEN HEALERS |
| 09:24.46 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies2: Yes they are |
| 09:24.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i was forced to heal. |
| 09:24.47 | AnduinLothar | shamen don't quite heal as well |
| 09:24.56 | Shadowed | Swiftmend is amazing during spike damage encounters like twin emps |
| 09:25.05 | s|loup | do you want to kill the mobs by healing? |
| 09:25.05 | Tain | Replacing any class with entirely any other class would break the raid. That's why you have different classes. |
| 09:25.14 | AnduinLothar | oi, agromend, you mean ;) |
| 09:25.25 | Shadowed | Being able to load up your MT with Rejuv/Regrowth is amazingly helpful during nax encounters, and stuff like twin emps. |
| 09:25.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tain, Druids are secondary and completely unnecessary except for their buffs, when it comes down to it |
| 09:25.53 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 09:25.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only reason anyone ever takes them to raids is a priest shortage |
| 09:26.15 | AnduinLothar | u dunno, blizz occationally makes fights that are easier to do with a certain class ballence |
| 09:26.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | every time we're short on priests and bring more druids, we wipe until we give up on the most mundane things |
| 09:26.23 | chuckg | You couldn't do Maexxna without at least one druid. |
| 09:26.24 | chuckg | Period. |
| 09:26.25 | chuckg | End of story. |
| 09:26.31 | Shadowed | chuckg: exactly |
| 09:26.49 | AnduinLothar | 40 pallies? |
| 09:26.53 | AnduinLothar | ; |
| 09:26.56 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 09:26.59 | krka|work | 40 priests? |
| 09:26.59 | zenzelezz | you seem to already have made up your mind that it's futile to find a raid guild accepting feral druids Mr_Rabies2 |
| 09:27.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't have experience on maexxna, so i can't speak for that, but from what i've seen, which is most of the raid encounters in WoW, they're unnecessary as they stand |
| 09:27.00 | s|loup | ;) |
| 09:27.11 | Tain | Frankly I rarely get to see what druids bring to encoutners except for endless bitching about healing. |
| 09:27.14 | chuckg | There are no high end raiding guilds that accept feral druids. |
| 09:27.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty much zenz, it seems like a lost cause |
| 09:27.18 | chuckg | :| |
| 09:27.27 | AnduinLothar | i'm convinced 40 pallies could do anything, except maybe ony |
| 09:27.37 | AnduinLothar | phase 2 would take years lol |
| 09:27.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | 40 pallies could wreck naxx |
| 09:27.46 | zenzelezz | with that attitude you certainly won't find one :-o Have to at least try |
| 09:27.49 | krka|work | zomg, no elite guilds accepts my melee-hunter :( |
| 09:27.51 | Shadowed | you'd die to maex |
| 09:27.53 | Tain | Druids are a great class that is misunderstood by most of the people who play it. |
| 09:28.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay guys, we need you to respec holy shock for phase 2 |
| 09:28.08 | AnduinLothar | lol, ya |
| 09:28.12 | MoonWolf | druids are fine, as long as i don' t have to play them |
| 09:28.17 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies2: just wondering, what what server are you on? |
| 09:28.20 | AnduinLothar | 40 31 holy pallies |
| 09:28.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | Llane. |
| 09:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids need their dps abilities buffed apparently, by what you guys have told me. until they're accepted being able to fill any role, they're not completed. |
| 09:30.03 | Tain | I'm not sure you've actually read anything that's been said here. |
| 09:30.08 | Shadowed | If a Druid can do the same damage as a Rogue and tank as well as a Warrior then class balance will become unbalanced. |
| 09:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're supposed to be able to fill any spot that's needed. |
| 09:30.17 | Corrodias | the usefulness of combat res and emergency healing makes up for the difference in power. |
| 09:30.34 | Tain | I don't know why you think that druids are supposed to fill in any spot that's needed. |
| 09:30.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait, before, you said that your dps outweighed our utility |
| 09:30.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | now you flip it |
| 09:31.11 | Corrodias | who are you talking to? |
| 09:31.12 | AnduinLothar | heh, pallies can almost fill spots... no ranged dps tho |
| 09:31.22 | AnduinLothar | and you have to be good to tank |
| 09:31.25 | AnduinLothar | in a raid |
| 09:31.33 | AnduinLothar | but it's possible |
| 09:31.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | This trio of roles in one class gives the Druid a diverse feel and allows them to perform nearly any role perceived as "needed" in a party. |
| 09:31.45 | Tain | Stop spamming please. |
| 09:32.00 | Shadowed | You're quoting the blizzard info page for the druid class? |
| 09:32.08 | Corrodias | yes |
| 09:32.27 | Tain | A party is not a raid. |
| 09:32.35 | Corrodias | he apparently takes that to mean that he should do as much damage as a rogue |
| 09:32.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | The one way to know what your class is about when your deciding on what to play? yeah, that thing. |
| 09:32.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | no |
| 09:33.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think that our utility should make our difference in dps just as acceptable at the role |
| 09:33.07 | Tain | Oh no talk to many feral druids and they'll tell you they outdps Rogues. |
| 09:33.19 | Tain | And outtank Warriors. |
| 09:33.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | some fights, we can. |
| 09:33.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | on both of those. |
| 09:33.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | vael, for instance, we can do both just as well as both classes. |
| 09:33.52 | Tain | Regardless, a druid's role in a five man group is not goign to be the same as in a raid. |
| 09:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | having a druid as the first tank for vael makes for a smooth vael fight |
| 09:34.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | why's that? it's the same for almost every other class |
| 09:34.10 | Shadowed | The Priest class is the master of healing and hate control - Priest info page |
| 09:34.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they are |
| 09:34.29 | Shadowed | You can very easly argue that Druids and Paladins make just as good healers as priests and contribute to the balance of the raid. |
| 09:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you are looking at healing meters, yes |
| 09:34.47 | Tain | Druids aren't almost every other class. |
| 09:34.52 | Shadowed | Healing meters means nothing |
| 09:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | but not if you've played both of them. |
| 09:35.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | priest healing is a lot easier and overall better than druids, as it should be. |
| 09:35.13 | Tain | Druids, Paladins, Shamans will serve different roles in different places. |
| 09:35.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | except in raids, we're asked only to heal, to "take one for the team" so to speak |
| 09:35.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's utter bullshit. |
| 09:35.52 | Tain | You're expected to do what's needed for the raid. |
| 09:36.05 | Shadowed | This is all i'm going to say before I head to sleep |
| 09:36.08 | Tain | When a Rogue can heal you then you can take his dps slot |
| 09:36.10 | Corrodias | he gave an example in which case it wasn't needed, actually |
| 09:36.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is healing, according to everyone i've ever talked to that doesn't know about druids. |
| 09:36.34 | Corrodias | although, i've never heard of a guild that had trouble finding rogues |
| 09:36.43 | Tain | Actually it's druids who don't seem to understand their place, not everyone else. |
| 09:36.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | because rogues aren't asked to "take one for the team" like druids are |
| 09:37.01 | Tain | Because Rogues do the only thing they can do. |
| 09:37.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | so people play them and reap the benefits. |
| 09:37.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can reroll to take one for the team |
| 09:37.15 | Tain | You can play a druid however you want. |
| 09:37.28 | Tain | You can't play all content successfully if you play a druid only in the way you want. |
| 09:37.30 | Tain | That's life. |
| 09:37.44 | Corrodias | rogues "take one for the team" by being left out of raids entirely because they can't fill another role when there is plenty of dps |
| 09:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | this isn't life, it's a game. |
| 09:37.50 | Tain | Sorry that druids have such an inferiority complex about it. |
| 09:37.57 | Shadowed | If you want to do only what you want to and not whats needed to help progression, you shouldn't be raiding or you should be in a casual guild that doesn't really care, you'll never get a serious raiding guild to consider letting you in when you want to mostly do DPS and ignore one of your strengths. A serious raiding guild is going to ask you to put what *you* want aside and do whats right for the guild, you may consider this to b |
| 09:38.16 | zenzelezz | and you're taking it very seriously from what you've been saying for a while now Mr_Rabies2 |
| 09:38.22 | Corrodias | Tain's generalizations about my favorite class are starting to scathe |
| 09:38.27 | AnduinLothar | you know i don't think i've ever been left out of a guild raid when i was on time.. |
| 09:38.31 | Shadowed | and with that, good night everything |
| 09:38.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm only countering what other people have said. |
| 09:38.43 | zenzelezz | not very well in my opinion |
| 09:38.54 | Tain | You do what's needed for a raid. I never said druids are only required to heal, however they are needed to heal often. |
| 09:39.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | all that's needed is healing, in the eyes of raid leaders. |
| 09:39.20 | Tain | Sometimes it is. |
| 09:39.28 | Corrodias | you missed the implied "always" |
| 09:39.48 | Tain | It isn't always, unless you're only doing certain content over and over again. |
| 09:40.08 | Tain | That'd bore the hell out of me so I don't know what that would be like. |
| 09:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | because if dps is needed, they don't take a druid, they only take druids when healing is needed |
| 09:40.09 | Shadowed | one more thing to mention. I never said I think druids should always be healing, it's kind of sad that they aren't able to, but Blizzard designs the content in a way that requires you to be a healer not a DPSer. You can try all you want to change this, but in the end you wont. |
| 09:40.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | so druids are only needed to heal. |
| 09:40.42 | Tain | No you don't take a druid for dps. Other dps classes can dps better than a druid. |
| 09:40.59 | AnduinLothar | oo, i found it |
| 09:41.03 | AnduinLothar | GoToBar |
| 09:41.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you're agreeing that you're taking a class that's strength is variety and making him do a small aspect of his class? |
| 09:41.09 | AnduinLothar | always forget what it's called |
| 09:41.18 | Tain | No, you're saying that. |
| 09:41.34 | Corrodias | what? -you- are |
| 09:41.40 | Corrodias | "<Tain> No you don't take a druid for dps. Other dps classes can dps better than a druid." |
| 09:41.53 | Corrodias | "you don't take a druid for dps" is excluding one of its forms. you can't back out of that, now. |
| 09:41.56 | Tain | Yes, how are you interpreting that differently? |
| 09:42.06 | Shadowed | No, i'm agreeing that Druids should be able to DPS. But Blizzard doesn't design encounters to allow for that, you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. |
| 09:42.32 | Tain | If you specifically need dps why would you take someone who gives you less dps than someone else? |
| 09:42.39 | Tain | You take the right tool for the job. |
| 09:42.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | the reason blizzard isn't making content that's allowing druids to dps is because guilds are telling them druids shouldn't dps. |
| 09:42.47 | Corrodias | because of the other things that are available with a druid |
| 09:43.03 | Tain | You fill a slot with a druid because you have a slot for a druid's versatility. |
| 09:43.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | If you specifically need healing why would you take someone who gives you less healing than someone else? |
| 09:43.08 | Tain | Why do you think that means dps? |
| 09:43.30 | Tain | Frankly because you have no choice, there aren't enough priests. |
| 09:43.30 | Shadowed | Druids are great healers, if you decide to skip them for another class you don't understand there strengths. |
| 09:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | they heal slowly, which, how damage is dealt out, isn't really great for raiding |
| 09:44.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't tell you how many times a flash heal would have saved the MT if i had one. |
| 09:44.39 | Tain | That's why a druid and paladin (and shaman) healing accentuates a priest's. |
| 09:44.44 | Shadowed | Druids strength is in Swiftmend and HOT's and large/slow healers. |
| 09:45.04 | Shadowed | Not, being able to do 10 1.5k heals in 5 seconds |
| 09:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't have swiftmend and have no plans to get it, because i like havin=g the option to kill things. |
| 09:45.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | 10 1.5k heals in 5 secs are what are needed for most fights. |
| 09:45.40 | Tain | I never once said druids are only needed to heal. You have that opinion. I said druids are often needed to heal on raids, and if they don't want to do that then they shouldn't attend. |
| 09:45.46 | zenzelezz | if Blizzard wanted you to do everything equally well, you'd get unlimited talent points |
| 09:46.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | a base druid with 0 talent points should do everything equally well. |
| 09:46.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't. |
| 09:46.22 | zenzelezz | you choose to play however you want, and if that isn't what a particular raid guild needs, then all you can do is look for another |
| 09:46.31 | Tain | I'd say the same thing to a paladin or shaman who didn't want to ever heal, or a shadow priest who wanted to dps. |
| 09:46.48 | krka|work | or a melee hunter! |
| 09:46.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never once said i never wanted to heal, i just hate doing nothing BUT healing in a run. |
| 09:47.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | which happens more often than not. |
| 09:48.08 | Corrodias | personally, i recommend that you all stop playing WoW and get back into other games, like Planescape: Torment or Majora's Mask. |
| 09:48.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i enjoy wow when i'm allowed to play my class |
| 09:48.29 | Corrodias | definitely old, but worth it if you haven't been there |
| 09:48.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's great fun when i get to play what i signed up for. |
| 09:48.50 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies2 the thing you don't understand is you're not playing alone, you're playing on a team. |
| 09:48.52 | zenzelezz | there's 39 other people who also want to have fun in a raid |
| 09:48.58 | zenzelezz | you simply have to find a balance |
| 09:49.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i have to sacrifice my fun so the raid as a whole can have fun? |
| 09:49.36 | AnduinLothar | nope, you just need a better team |
| 09:49.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a big fan of communism, so that's not my mindset |
| 09:49.55 | zenzelezz | either sacrifice your fun, or better yet, find a guild that wants you for your playstyle |
| 09:50.01 | AnduinLothar | yay |
| 09:50.07 | Shadowed | As soon as you start playing with a group of people besides yourself, you shouldn't be thinking about what *you* want, you should be thinking about what everyone else wants. |
| 09:50.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't want to have to sacrifice my game that i pay for so others can enjoy theirs. |
| 09:50.15 | Shadowed | ... |
| 09:50.21 | Tain | It all depends on what you enjoy doing. |
| 09:50.24 | Corrodias | ooh, unfortunately, that's incorrect. |
| 09:50.29 | Corrodias | the developer gets to tell you what you can do. |
| 09:50.30 | zenzelezz | yeah, cause everyone else is playing for free |
| 09:50.41 | Shadowed | Basically, you want to be able to do whatever you want even if it makes the game unfun for others. |
| 09:50.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Corrodias> the developer gets to tell you what you can do. |
| 09:50.45 | Corrodias | i think you didn't actually mean that, and worded it poorly. |
| 09:50.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | no. I want everyone to have fun. |
| 09:51.04 | Shadowed | thats not what you said |
| 09:51.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | If me doing dps somehow makes other people not have fun, then something's wrong. |
| 09:51.16 | AnduinLothar | gimme my loot! |
| 09:51.20 | AnduinLothar | N! |
| 09:51.25 | zenzelezz | then you're just not playing with the right people |
| 09:51.26 | Corrodias | *in a class that's designed to be useful in that role, which a druid supposedly is |
| 09:51.35 | Corrodias | (i believe you meant to have that on the end of your sentence) |
| 09:51.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's implied. I'm speaking from my druid's perspective. |
| 09:52.00 | s|loup | good night |
| 09:52.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | see ya AL |
| 09:52.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | if me, a druid, which has DPS abilities, and is supposed to be able to fill a dps spot reliably, somehow keeps 39 other people from enjoying their game also, then something is wrong. |
| 09:52.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | whether it be game mechanics, or what. |
| 09:53.04 | Shadowed | If you do not agree with what everyone else thinks, you shouldn't be in that guild |
| 09:53.05 | Shadowed | simple as that |
| 09:53.15 | zenzelezz | exactly |
| 09:53.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i completely disagree with druids should be backup priests and nothing more, which is what most guilds think. |
| 09:53.41 | Shadowed | no they don't |
| 09:53.44 | zenzelezz | if the guild doesn't want a DPS druid, then that's their loss, not yours |
| 09:53.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | so, right now, i'm taking purples from my guild because they were jackasses to me. |
| 09:54.00 | Corrodias | heheh, it's his loss if there aren't any better guilds |
| 09:54.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then moving on. |
| 09:54.46 | Shadowed | If your play style is you want to do DPS and not heal, you should be playing a strict DPS class or find a guild that agrees with that standpoint. Most (nearly all) raiding guilds understand that a druid is a strong healer and wants a healer druid and not a feral druid who basically refuses to heal. |
| 09:55.01 | zenzelezz | WoW doesn't come with a get-to-be-in-a-fantastic-guild guarantee; it's quite simple. Takes ages for some classes to even get into a raid guild, simply because there's so many of them |
| 09:55.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never said i want to only dps and not heal. |
| 09:55.13 | Shadowed | You've said you don't want to be forced to heal |
| 09:55.32 | zenzelezz | okay, I think this is the third time at least this discussion has performed a full circle; I'm not going to bother anymore :-p |
| 09:55.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | you put those words into my mouth because *some* feral druids think that they should be in cat for an entire run and never switch out for anything. |
| 09:55.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | being forced is the keyword there, shadowed. |
| 09:56.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | when i'm being forced into something i don't want to do, which in some situations, is healing, then i'm not cool with it. |
| 09:56.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes i love healing, and it's definitely the best option for me, aka the shazzrah and baron geddon fights. |
| 09:56.38 | Shadowed | If you truely want to find a raiding guild that accepts feral druids, you will need to do a lot of research and you'll have to talk to a lot of people to find the guild that suits your needs. Staying in your guild just to take loot because you feel that you lost something is just wrong and will cause more bad feelings and most likely make it harder for you to find a guild that agrees with your point of view later on. |
| 09:56.41 | Shadowed | Anyway |
| 09:56.41 | Shadowed | night |
| 09:56.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would be downright stupid to dps in those fights. |
| 09:57.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | Staying in your guild just to take loot because you feel that you lost something is just wrong and will cause more bad feelings and most likely make it harder for you to find a guild that agrees with your point of view later on. |
| 09:57.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | not when i'm transferring servers, because every guild's in the same closed mindset as this one |
| 09:57.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | on this server |
| 09:58.28 | Shadowed|zzzz | I'll tell you this now then as a heads up. You can very well give yourself a bad reputation, don't distroy what you earned as a reputation just because you feel wronged, move on. |
| 09:58.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm owed loot. i've passed to others to be the nice guy, and then find out that a lot of the "good old boys" leadership is talking about me behind my back. |
| 09:59.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm going to legitimately get all the gear i can and move on. |
| 09:59.27 | Shadowed|zzzz | Even though you wont listen to what I said, i've told you already. If you end up messing up because of the choices you made then thats your problem. |
| 09:59.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not going on any new content, only farm content, and bidding on everything i think is an upgrade. |
| 10:00.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | I can always transfer servers, because that's the only way i'll get out of this downward spiral that is llane |
| 10:01.34 | krka|work | start your own guild, and attract people who feel the same way |
| 10:01.35 | krka|work | problem solved |
| 10:02.05 | krka|work | 40 druid raids! you have tank + dps + healers |
| 10:02.08 | krka|work | should work fine |
| 10:02.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | this guild is a cesspool of people that never understood how much 1.8 changed druids. |
| 10:02.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | er server |
| 10:03.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and 40 druid raids are fairly successful for some fights. |
| 10:03.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | of course, not all, because there are definite bonuses to having warriors tank certain fights |
| 10:04.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | 40 druid onyxias are cake |
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| 10:27.50 | zenzelezz | didn't someone 20-priest Onyxia? |
| 10:28.54 | krka|work | that sounds impossible |
| 10:28.58 | krka|work | one person controlling 20 priests? |
| 10:29.27 | zenzelezz | no no, I mean didn't someone bring 20 players, all priests, and take down Onyxia? |
| 10:29.31 | zenzelezz | not just one person |
| 10:29.56 | zenzelezz | no other classes... think I heard something like that once, but never found out if it was just a joke |
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| 10:36.29 | AnduinLothar | Meh, sleep is overrated... |
| 10:36.48 | zenzelezz | quite |
| 10:37.03 | krka|work | sleep is underrated! it's awesome |
| 10:37.10 | krka|work | i sleep at any chance i get |
| 10:38.04 | zenzelezz | I swear I've woken up at three in the night the last four or five nights and started getting out of bed, thinking it was morning |
| 10:39.36 | AnduinLothar | i dont go to bed till after 3.. |
| 10:39.53 | AnduinLothar | oh btw.. 3.0! http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2650-1-arcanepartybars.html |
| 10:40.06 | zenzelezz | nice |
| 10:42.56 | AnduinLothar | time for some new ss's |
| 10:45.16 | AnduinLothar | there we go |
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| 10:47.38 | AnduinLothar | And I secretly hid the embeds, so no noobs better be complaining or heads will roll |
| 10:48.20 | AnduinLothar | ok... that was all my fun |
| 10:51.06 | zenzelezz | micro buttons? |
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| 11:15.55 | Industrial | morning |
| 11:16.13 | zenzelezz | heya |
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| 13:08.30 | Corrodias | i wonder this about steam: is it possible to install a game on more than one of my computers? |
| 13:12.31 | End-afk | yes |
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| 14:26.33 | Kirkburn | Where's Cairenn when you need her :P |
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| 14:27.59 | zenzelezz | sounds dirty |
| 14:28.22 | Cairenn | right about here |
| 14:30.39 | zenzelezz | ooh, a lurker! |
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| 14:31.05 | Kirkburn | Hey Cairenn |
| 14:31.22 | Cairenn | no, a just woke-up'er |
| 14:31.36 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: need access to it? |
| 14:32.05 | Kirkburn | --> to PMs :) |
| 14:33.31 | Corrodias | oh, my god. this is perfect. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/05/08 |
| 14:35.28 | Beladona | I love that one |
| 14:36.43 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 14:38.30 | Corrodias | that reminds me of our earlier conversation with a disgruntled druid |
| 14:38.43 | s|loup | hihi |
| 14:40.09 | Cairenn | hullo s|loup |
| 14:40.24 | s|loup | oh welcome back Cairenn |
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| 15:03.10 | Kirkburn | I'm off to italy for a week (partly to pick up the rest of my stuff in Perugia) 2moro :D Gonna miss me? |
| 15:03.51 | Mikk | Oh, you returned home |
| 15:03.54 | Mikk | I didn't realize >.< |
| 15:04.18 | Mikk | Though I did notice you not being around for a while =) |
| 15:05.28 | Kirkburn | Yup, home in the UK now =) |
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| 15:26.59 | Kirkburn | M |
| 15:27.17 | Kirkburn | If anyone's been waiting a long time for Team Fortress 2 - watch the new trailer!! http://www.valvesoftware.com/ep2/teaser/tf2_teaser01_720p.wmv |
| 15:27.48 | Kirkburn | The best description is: remember that Pixar film, The Incredibles? :) |
| 15:29.28 | Kirkburn | (it's appropriate in more ways than one) |
| 15:35.16 | Rallion | hehe I like that. |
| 15:35.28 | Rallion | Valve owns my life. |
| 15:35.43 | Kirkburn | I lveo the style, and I totally agree. They own mine too =) |
| 15:35.46 | Kirkburn | *love |
| 15:36.37 | Kirkburn | The HL2:Ep2 package is going to be amazing - Ep2, TF2 and Portal. Three amazing games, for (probably) $20 |
| 15:36.52 | Rallion | I'm all kinds of excited to play Portal |
| 15:37.07 | Kirkburn | Played Narbuncular Drop? |
| 15:37.13 | Rallion | Yesterday, yes :) |
| 15:37.27 | Kirkburn | (not to mention that the Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to get those and Ep1 all in one package) |
| 15:37.33 | Kirkburn | Damn good, isn't it, even if short |
| 15:37.39 | Rallion | yeah |
| 15:38.38 | Kirkburn | Seems like proper shadows, depth of field and motion blur are all getting added to Source for them too. It just cannot come soon enough :) |
| 15:39.05 | Kirkburn | Oh, and a new physics system |
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| 15:39.20 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 15:39.26 | Kirkburn | (done by a guy from Weta, the LotR gurus) |
| 15:39.28 | Kirkburn | Hola |
| 15:39.34 | Rallion | Weta is also amazing. |
| 15:40.17 | Rallion | I'm one of those people who buys DVDs more for the features on the special effects than for the movies themselves |
| 15:40.22 | Kirkburn | I started watching the entire trilogy at about 11pm last night :P I'm at the crowning of Aragorn bit now =) |
| 15:40.33 | Rallion | hehe awesome |
| 15:40.48 | Kirkburn | I should be packing however *me runs off* |
| 15:44.15 | Rallion | If anybody in here has any advice for a newb attempting an inventory addon, let me know. |
| 15:44.26 | Kirkburn | I keep forgetting that most of my possessions are in italy, so I don't actually need to pack much at all |
| 15:44.35 | Kirkburn | What kind of inventory addon? |
| 15:45.57 | Rallion | I want to make something like EngInventory, but less...messy |
| 15:46.13 | Moonwolf | leave it to others |
| 15:46.25 | Mikk | pf |
| 15:46.28 | Mikk | do = learn |
| 15:46.31 | Rallion | exactly. |
| 15:46.32 | Moonwolf | Wobin is already doing it. |
| 15:46.36 | Mikk | and? =) |
| 15:46.47 | Moonwolf | well, if you want to do it for learning |
| 15:46.49 | Moonwolf | i don' t mind. |
| 15:47.07 | Moonwolf | but if you want it just to HAVE it... |
| 15:47.10 | Mikk | (What's EngInventory?) |
| 15:47.56 | Rallion | It's an inventory mod that actually has separate frames for different item categories |
| 15:48.26 | Mikk | ah, yeah, i googled it now |
| 15:48.31 | Hexarobee | ya if theres one thing WoW still needs to fix, its the inventory system |
| 15:48.38 | Moonwolf | and the ah. |
| 15:48.43 | Hexarobee | ya, and the ah |
| 15:48.48 | Hexarobee | i miss the EQ bazaar |
| 15:49.18 | Moonwolf | well, i kinda like the ah, it just needs a talent review. |
| 15:49.18 | Cairenn | I miss WC tunnel |
| 15:49.28 | Rallion | I'd put a good LFG system ahead of inventory and AH, personally |
| 15:49.46 | Hexarobee | BUYING HQ Bear Pelts 25pp each! At 3rd torch! |
| 15:50.06 | Mikk | [2. Trade]? |
| 15:50.10 | Hexarobee | ya, EQ had a nice LFG system by the end |
| 15:50.34 | Cairenn | Hexarobee: lol, yup, that'd be the one :) |
| 15:50.53 | Hexarobee | man i used to make so much cash selling 10 slot bags |
| 15:51.10 | Cairenn | it was so weird when they opened up the Bazaar, WC always seemed so empty after it caught on |
| 15:51.21 | Hexarobee | then velious came out with its 10-slot toolboxes that didnt eat items on misclick and i went bust =( |
| 15:51.27 | Hexarobee | ya totall |
| 15:51.28 | Hexarobee | y |
| 15:51.55 | Tain | Cairenn my server always used North Freeport. It drove people from other servers nuts. |
| 15:52.06 | Moonwolf | EQ had bags that ate items on missclicks ? |
| 15:52.06 | Hexarobee | nfp?? sheesh |
| 15:52.09 | Cairenn | Tain: yeah, I remember you mentioning that |
| 15:52.17 | Kirkburn | Shutting down ... see you in a week! |
| 15:52.22 | Mikk | seeya kirkburn! |
| 15:52.23 | Moonwolf | cya kirk. |
| 15:52.24 | Cairenn | have fun Kirkburn :) |
| 15:52.29 | Hexarobee | EQ's tradeskill system worked by combining different items in a special tradeskill container |
| 15:52.39 | Kirkburn | Thanks =) Have fun yourselves! |
| 15:52.39 | Tain | I don't know why it was like that, it just was. People pretty much killed the nfp guards as soon as they spawned all day long. |
| 15:52.41 | Hexarobee | if you didnt get the items just right, it ate all the contents and failed the combine |
| 15:53.06 | Moonwolf | wow |
| 15:53.08 | Hexarobee | haha what was the guard that used to roam WC and people would train him to tunnel |
| 15:53.18 | Cairenn | you know, I actually rather preferred EQ's tradeskill system |
| 15:53.20 | Tain | EQ was funny in that you never saw so many people who'd be KOS to their own towns. |
| 15:53.27 | Hexarobee | haha |
| 15:53.28 | Cairenn | you actually felt like you were doing something |
| 15:53.34 | Hexarobee | ya true |
| 15:53.37 | Cairenn | Tain: oh lord yes |
| 15:53.41 | Hexarobee | a grandmaster tradeskiller in EQ was commited |
| 15:53.54 | Hexarobee | i never got to 300 in anything |
| 15:54.12 | Tain | Unfortunatly the tradeskills in EQ didn't create a lot of things you could actually use. At least not for the first couple of years. |
| 15:54.19 | Hexarobee | ya |
| 15:54.22 | Cairenn | <== bowyer / fletcher |
| 15:54.28 | Tain | Ah that's different. :) |
| 15:54.38 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 15:54.41 | Hexarobee | well arrows |
| 15:54.47 | Cairenn | was a damn sight cheaper then buying |
| 15:54.49 | Tain | Of course then you could get the unlimited quiver or something, couldn't you? |
| 15:54.49 | Hexarobee | bows didnt sell well till PoP |
| 15:54.55 | Moonwolf | tain, yoy mean that the current wow system is more usefull then the eq system in its starting day' s ? |
| 15:55.21 | Tain | I do think the current WoW system allows you to make more useful things than the EQ system did at the beginning. |
| 15:55.21 | Hexarobee | i think he means how hard it was to actually skill up |
| 15:55.35 | Tain | Oh no, skillup is no comparison, EQ was stupidly hard to skill up. |
| 15:55.36 | Hexarobee | weeks of farming |
| 15:55.44 | Hexarobee | for like 10 skill ups |
| 15:55.51 | Moonwolf | wow |
| 15:55.54 | Cairenn | <== pottery, cooking, brewing, ummm ... god, trying to remember how many I had to 300 before I left |
| 15:56.14 | Tain | I did blacksmith to 300, a few others to 100ish I think |
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| 15:56.22 | Cairenn | oh yeah, smithing |
| 15:56.22 | Hexarobee | i did smitrhing to 215 i think |
| 15:56.24 | TeBeCo | local idx,i,j,k,texture = 1 <== this "=1" put the value "1" in witch of these differents vars ? first ? last ? all ? |
| 15:56.36 | Tain | Fishing in EQ was also stupid because you'd get on a roll and your pole would break. |
| 15:56.45 | Hexarobee | had tradeskill friends who would do combines for me, and its so hard to do, you cant do it if you have someone else who will do the combine |
| 15:57.00 | Cairenn | for some of the high end quests, you had to be high skill in a large number of the trades |
| 15:57.01 | Hexarobee | and all youd ever get is an old boot or a rusty knife |
| 15:57.20 | Cairenn | waterlogged sandals! don't forget the waterlogged sandals! |
| 15:57.23 | Hexarobee | hahaha |
| 15:57.33 | Hexarobee | with the seaweed on em |
| 15:57.43 | Cairenn | I just hated it every time I spilled my beer! |
| 15:57.49 | Hexarobee | man thatd been a great costume at an EQ con |
| 15:57.54 | Tain | It made me so angry because you couldn't use fishing at a lower level to try to make bits of copper. Every time you got up a little you'd have to buy a new pole. |
| 15:57.56 | Hexarobee | seaweed on yer sandals |
| 15:58.19 | Hexarobee | there were so many problems like that in EQ |
| 15:58.32 | Hexarobee | that wouldnt get fixed for years |
| 15:58.43 | Hexarobee | fishing never got fixed i dont think |
| 15:58.51 | Cairenn | any of you check out the progression servers? |
| 15:59.01 | Hexarobee | it was like they released that game in 96 and didnt finish writing it till 2004 |
| 15:59.15 | Hexarobee | progression? |
| 15:59.22 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 15:59.32 | Cairenn | lol, hell, even FoH has gone back |
| 15:59.34 | Tain | When EQ first launched there were literally dozens of money dupes, item dupes, etc. I even knew some of them and never used them because it was cheating. |
| 15:59.40 | Cairenn | to play on them |
| 16:00.03 | Tain | After a couple of years of being frustrated with not fixing things I felt like I should have just abused the hell out of it. |
| 16:01.58 | Beladona | EQ used to be annoying as hell for tradeskillers, but admittedly just before I quit they revamped it and made it easier |
| 16:02.10 | Beladona | so I think now it is easy until about 250 |
| 16:02.17 | Beladona | for most trades |
| 16:03.03 | Beladona | as for the problems in EQ, I am not sure we can blame them for having so many issues. They really did break out the genre |
| 16:03.05 | TeBeCo | i have a noob question for vars declaration |
| 16:03.09 | TeBeCo | may someone help me ? |
| 16:03.15 | TeBeCo | it'll take 2 secs |
| 16:03.17 | JoshBorke | TeBeCo: ask away |
| 16:03.21 | Moonwolf | shoot. |
| 16:03.22 | TeBeCo | local idx,i,j,k,texture = 1 <== this "=1" put the value "1" in witch of these differents vars ? first ? last ? all ? |
| 16:03.32 | Beladona | there are no noob questions |
| 16:03.42 | TeBeCo | (i wrote it 10 minute ago but nobody answer ^^) |
| 16:03.47 | JoshBorke | i think first only |
| 16:03.50 | Beladona | yes first |
| 16:03.57 | TeBeCo | only the first ? |
| 16:04.01 | Beladona | yup |
| 16:04.16 | TeBeCo | thk :) |
| 16:04.17 | Beladona | you would need idx,i,j,k,texture = 1,1,1,1,1 |
| 16:04.23 | Beladona | or something to that effect |
| 16:04.37 | TeBeCo | i'll try another question => (time to write it ^^) |
| 16:04.45 | Beladona | you can get multiple returns from a function though |
| 16:04.53 | Beladona | depending on the function |
| 16:05.44 | TeBeCo | (lose my lua source ....) |
| 16:06.56 | Cairenn | Hexarobee: http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/news_article.vm?id=50178 |
| 16:07.22 | TeBeCo | back :) |
| 16:07.34 | TeBeCo | TrinketMenu = {} <= when i saw this in the top of a file |
| 16:07.53 | TeBeCo | it is used to createan array ? |
| 16:08.07 | TeBeCo | or a structure ? |
| 16:08.21 | JoshBorke | it's a table :) |
| 16:08.34 | JoshBorke | tables can be used as arrays or hash tables |
| 16:08.41 | TeBeCo | array is like table for me sorry I used to programm in VB/C ^^ |
| 16:09.20 | TeBeCo | something is really diffuclt for me to understand in LUA coding |
| 16:09.21 | JoshBorke | it's ok :) i think of them as arrays myself :) |
| 16:09.32 | TeBeCo | TrinketMenu = {} |
| 16:09.33 | TeBeCo | TrinketMenu.MaxTrinkets = 30 |
| 16:09.43 | TeBeCo | and afeter there are => |
| 16:09.52 | JoshBorke | is the same as saying TrinketMenu['MaxTrinkets'] = 30 |
| 16:09.56 | Mikk | yes |
| 16:09.57 | TeBeCo | TrinketMenu.<blabla> = .... |
| 16:10.11 | TeBeCo | its jsut like Struct declaration ? |
| 16:10.23 | JoshBorke | i wouldn't say so |
| 16:10.26 | Mikk | sort of.. think of it as an array |
| 16:10.38 | Mikk | you can use an array as a struct, but it's still an array |
| 16:10.39 | JoshBorke | it's an array with arbitrary indexes |
| 16:10.46 | TeBeCo | in lua array can be sort by string indexes ? |
| 16:10.52 | TeBeCo | ... |
| 16:10.54 | Mikk | not directly |
| 16:11.11 | Mikk | you have to create a second table that is integer indexed that has your original string indexes as values |
| 16:11.12 | TeBeCo | really destabilizing |
| 16:11.22 | Mikk | then you can do table.sort on that array |
| 16:11.28 | Mikk | lua can't sort indexes |
| 16:11.41 | TeBeCo | could I past the code for more details ? |
| 16:11.52 | JoshBorke | tebeco: have you looked at the lua manual any? |
| 16:11.54 | Mikk | put it in pastebin.ca |
| 16:12.03 | Mikk | yeah, really, look at the lua manual |
| 16:12.08 | TeBeCo | JoshBorke> i allready have a lots of wall thks :) |
| 16:12.10 | Mikk | and the tutorials |
| 16:12.31 | Mikk | http://lua-users.org/wiki/TutorialDirectory |
| 16:12.37 | Mikk | i recommend TableTutorial |
| 16:12.39 | TeBeCo | only one probleme :) |
| 16:12.57 | JoshBorke | tables are really easy in lua, you can just index them basically however you want. i haven't figured out sorting, but i'm sure it can't be that bad =D |
| 16:13.16 | Mikk | only integer indexes are sorted, and then by value |
| 16:13.35 | TeBeCo | english documentaion is really hard to understand for someone that's not an english, and with a lot of technical term, of a total different language .... |
| 16:13.35 | Mikk | s/are/can be/ |
| 16:14.08 | Hexarobee | i alpha sort my list in my addon |
| 16:14.17 | TeBeCo | i really used to code in explicit language for 8 year :) |
| 16:14.31 | TeBeCo | the pb of LUA is this kind of syntax |
| 16:14.32 | Mikk | Hexarobee: Yeah but your indexes are integers |
| 16:14.36 | Hexarobee | table.sort(SoundShareData, function(v1,v2) return string.lower(v1) < string.lower(v2) end) |
| 16:14.43 | Hexarobee | yes |
| 16:14.44 | TeBeCo | the documentation will not helps me to understand it :) |
| 16:14.51 | Mikk | TeBeCo: Really, read http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial. It has lots of examples |
| 16:14.58 | Mikk | Lots more examples than text |
| 16:15.10 | TeBeCo | i prefer speak with other coder in order to be sure of what i spaek about |
| 16:15.17 | TeBeCo | (baaaa bad anglish sorry ^^) |
| 16:15.27 | JoshBorke | i still don't get the functions as key |
| 16:15.28 | TeBeCo | *english |
| 16:17.28 | KTwombley | josh: every variable in Lua is really just a reference to an object. A reference is just a number that corresponds to a location in memory. |
| 16:17.51 | KTwombley | so when you use something other than an integer for your key in a table, really you're just using a weird number that you don't know as the key. |
| 16:19.12 | Mikk | if you do tostring(myFunction), you get e.g. "function: 0012458726". Think of that being the index. It doesn't work quite like that but it's a good enough substitution for explanation. |
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| 16:19.37 | Mikk | If you want to, you could even DO tostring(...) on stuff when creating and looking up and it'd work just fine. It'd just be a bit more wasteful =) |
| 16:20.46 | TeBeCo | euuu found somthing of really strange |
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| 16:20.55 | TeBeCo | can we code function into a table ? |
| 16:21.09 | JoshBorke | TeBeCo: what do you mean? |
| 16:21.21 | TeBeCo | TrinketMenu = {} |
| 16:21.21 | End | such as...function foo.baz() ?? |
| 16:21.33 | TeBeCo | TrinketMenu.<....> = ... |
| 16:21.34 | End | (or function foo:baz() for implicit self arg) |
| 16:21.36 | TeBeCo | ... |
| 16:21.43 | TeBeCo | function TrinketMenu.DockInfo(arg1) |
| 16:21.46 | TeBeCo | ... |
| 16:21.47 | TeBeCo | end |
| 16:21.48 | Mikk | a function is just another reference |
| 16:21.55 | KTwombley | you can have a function as either the key or the value of a table, or both. |
| 16:21.55 | Mikk | you can put function references in tables |
| 16:21.59 | Mikk | it's like function pointers in C |
| 16:22.08 | KTwombley | what you describe is very possible, and very powerful too. |
| 16:22.18 | KTwombley | it's how Lua does object-oriented programming. |
| 16:22.33 | TeBeCo | LOL |
| 16:22.41 | TeBeCo | lua with POO |
| 16:22.56 | KTwombley | what do you think table.sort() is? |
| 16:23.02 | Mikk | the widget api is written in OO style |
| 16:23.07 | KTwombley | yep! |
| 16:23.10 | Mikk | MyWidget:Show() |
| 16:23.15 | Mikk | MyWidget is a table |
| 16:23.20 | Mikk | Show is a function reference in the table |
| 16:23.34 | Mikk | (actually, it's hidden away with a metatable, but the end result in the same) |
| 16:24.04 | End | that metatable is actually defined in the global enviroment |
| 16:25.20 | TeBeCo | ok why not |
| 16:25.43 | JoshBorke | ok bye all :) |
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| 16:25.52 | End | hmm? why not what? |
| 16:26.59 | Mikk | "MyWidget.method = function(self)" == "function MyWidget.method(self)" == "function MyWidget:method()" |
| 16:27.23 | Mikk | "MyWidget.method(MyWidget)" == "MyWidget:method()" |
| 16:27.58 | TeBeCo | t = { apple="green", orange="orange", banana="yellow" } <== |
| 16:28.07 | Mikk | yes, that works |
| 16:28.08 | KTwombley | i'm sure you guys know about this already, but I'm happy to find it: http://wxlua.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:28.15 | TeBeCo | it mean's that => t.apple = "green" ect...? |
| 16:28.33 | KTwombley | correct |
| 16:28.55 | TeBeCo | ok i saw something else that give me some trouble of comprehension |
| 16:29.04 | Mikk | KTwombley: http://luaforge.net/projects/iup/ |
| 16:29.26 | TeBeCo | TrinketMenu.DockStats = { ["TOPRIGHTTOPLEFT"] = { xoff=-4, yoff.....}, ["BOTTOMRIGHTBOTTOMLEFT"] = { xoff=-4, yoff=0, x........}} |
| 16:29.39 | KTwombley | what's that get me that wxwidgets doesnt? |
| 16:29.54 | TeBeCo | why are there some "[ ]" around the name ? |
| 16:30.11 | Mikk | ["TOPRIGHTTOPLEFT"] = TOPRIGHTTOPLEFT |
| 16:30.12 | Mikk | same thing |
| 16:30.28 | Mikk | when used as an index |
| 16:30.39 | TeBeCo | don't understood :) |
| 16:30.52 | Mikk | t.apple = "green" |
| 16:30.59 | Mikk | print t["apple"] |
| 16:31.02 | Mikk | > green |
| 16:31.04 | Mikk | ptin t.apple |
| 16:31.08 | Mikk | err |
| 16:31.10 | Mikk | print t.apple |
| 16:31.12 | Mikk | > green |
| 16:31.19 | Hexarobee | nice |
| 16:31.26 | Mikk | KTwombley: portability mainly |
| 16:31.28 | Hexarobee | 10 points for the err |
| 16:31.32 | KTwombley | cool |
| 16:31.47 | Hexarobee | would have been 100 for > Sytax Error |
| 16:31.51 | Hexarobee | err |
| 16:31.55 | Hexarobee | > Syntax Error |
| 16:32.12 | TeBeCo | i d'ont have any console for debug :) |
| 16:32.19 | KTwombley | I'm mainly interested in win32/mac, though, to build an uploader script for an addon |
| 16:32.21 | Mikk | KTwombley: if you ever feel like doing lots of graphical work under Lua, I invite you to implement the graphical aspect of the WoW Widget API emulation in http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench :-) |
| 16:32.22 | TeBeCo | notepad + Wow :) |
| 16:32.47 | KTwombley | lol mikk |
| 16:32.53 | KTwombley | i'll get right on that :-D |
| 16:33.01 | Mikk | Actually, I don't think it'd be horribly hard |
| 16:33.10 | KTwombley | eventually we can just release freeWOW based on wowbench |
| 16:33.17 | Mikk | haha |
| 16:33.19 | Mikk | wowmud |
| 16:33.54 | Mikk | > left |
| 16:33.57 | Mikk | > forward |
| 16:34.04 | Rallion | *You lag.* |
| 16:34.10 | Mikk | > hit murloc |
| 16:34.20 | KTwombley | > pwn alliance |
| 16:34.20 | Rallion | *Rgghlllrglrglglgl! |
| 16:34.24 | Hexarobee | hehe |
| 16:34.49 | Mikk | > get all from corpse |
| 16:34.51 | Rallion | Gabe of Penny Arcade taught his son the sound Murlocs make, along with cats, dogs, cows, etc. |
| 16:34.57 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 16:35.17 | KTwombley | yeah that was hilarious |
| 16:35.39 | Rallion | I read about it, and thought, 'lies,' and then I saw the video. |
| 16:35.47 | Mikk | Gabe.GF> Ok, that's nice. Now you get to sleep on the sofa for the next two weeks. |
| 16:35.58 | TeBeCo | Mikk> http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial <= this site's looks like really good but the search engine is really shiity:) |
| 16:36.09 | TeBeCo | how can i search function description on it ? |
| 16:36.11 | Rallion | She actually made the demo video! |
| 16:36.23 | Mikk | TeBeCo: google site:lua-users.org blahblah |
| 16:36.34 | TeBeCo | xD |
| 16:36.39 | Mikk | it works better =P |
| 16:37.04 | TeBeCo | google don't find it lol |
| 16:37.25 | TeBeCo | <Mikk> ptin t.apple |
| 16:37.25 | TeBeCo | <Mikk> err |
| 16:37.29 | TeBeCo | don"t find "ptin" |
| 16:37.35 | Mikk | ehm no |
| 16:37.38 | Mikk | that was a typo |
| 16:38.04 | Mikk | i meant "print t.apple" |
| 16:38.28 | TeBeCo | so why did you just wrote it => |
| 16:38.34 | TeBeCo | <Mikk> ptin t.apple |
| 16:38.34 | TeBeCo | <Mikk> err |
| 16:38.34 | TeBeCo | <Mikk> print t.apple |
| 16:38.35 | TeBeCo | <Mikk> > green |
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| 16:38.45 | Mikk | i mistyped |
| 16:38.48 | TeBeCo | why it'll return "err" and jsute after "green" |
| 16:38.55 | Mikk | IT WAS A MISTAKE |
| 16:39.13 | TeBeCo | i understood "ptin" was "print" ^^ |
| 16:39.14 | Mikk | Forget "ptin t.apple" and forget "err" |
| 16:39.24 | TeBeCo | ok xD |
| 16:39.37 | TeBeCo | sous i came back to the first question |
| 16:39.54 | TeBeCo | don't see the difference with or without "[]" ... |
| 16:40.04 | Mikk | there isn't one |
| 16:40.17 | Mikk | well, one important difference is: |
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| 16:40.45 | Mikk | "mytable.mymember" == "mytable["mymember"]", like i said. but you can't do "mytable.1", you have to do "mytable[1]" |
| 16:41.22 | TeBeCo | ... |
| 16:41.25 | Mikk | and "x='mymember'; mytable[x]" == "mytable.mymember", but "x='mymember'; mytable.x" == "mytable.x" |
| 16:41.48 | TeBeCo | (afk ... have to buy bread) |
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| 16:43.59 | KTwombley | you normally have to use [] for your tables, but if your key is not an integer, you can just use the dot: table.thing as a shortcut. |
| 16:48.13 | End | actually, if you key is a valid variable name |
| 16:48.38 | End | (or, that's how it seems to be defined) |
| 16:49.50 | End | (ok, for a second I wondered if foo.not works, and it says it's invalid so yeah, if it is a valid variable name) |
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| 17:33.40 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wGR4-SeuJ0 |
| 17:37.18 | Kirov | Chad Vader, Day Manager |
| 17:38.47 | Industrial | lol |
| 17:38.49 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:41.45 | Mikma | too bad Mikord's not around |
| 17:57.47 | Rallion | That's pretty good |
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| 18:23.32 | Kirov | I seem to remember a mod that came with an executable that would scan the item data files for sell values. |
| 18:24.06 | Kirov | Anyone know which mod that is? I thought it was Sell Value, but it doesn't appear to be (that or the author of Sell Value had his own unreleased tool) |
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| 18:44.46 | Shadowed | where are you test server |
| 18:53.28 | Mery | hmm if I have something like mytable[i] = { some table } for i=1, ..., n and I do "return mytable[i]" I just return a pointer to that (sub)table right? |
| 18:54.02 | Kirov | yes |
| 18:54.09 | Mery | thanks |
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| 19:11.00 | End | hmm |
| 19:11.41 | End | I wonder if there is a really simple way to determine in lua if a string is UTF-8 encoded or not |
| 19:12.11 | krka | no not really |
| 19:12.38 | End | figures |
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| 19:12.46 | krka | well, you could atleast sometimes identify that it _isn't_ utf8 |
| 19:13.01 | krka | but all legal utf8-strings are also legal ascii |
| 19:13.14 | Valgrind | There is no simple way of determiniing if a string is UTF-8 encoded or not. Period. You can do heuristics and never be sure. |
| 19:13.20 | krka | you could use heuri... damn it |
| 19:13.42 | Valgrind | :) |
| 19:13.50 | krka | if you could identify encodings, we wouldn't have all these problems with bad encodings everywhere |
| 19:13.53 | krka | i.e. in irc |
| 19:15.56 | dreamss | sup krka |
| 19:16.12 | krka | yes please |
| 19:16.48 | End | (I suppose I'll go with "might be utf") |
| 19:17.00 | End | s/utf/utf-8/ |
| 19:17.03 | krka | in wow, you can pretty much bet that all strings are utf8 |
| 19:17.18 | End | yeah, but with this specific lua code I'm not in WoW |
| 19:18.17 | End | and...across channels it doesn't check to see if they are valid utf-8 strings? |
| 19:18.45 | End | (not that I care about that) |
| 19:18.49 | End | (right now) |
| 19:21.06 | krka | sorry if i confused you btw dreamss, in swedish "sup" basically means shot of alcohol |
| 19:21.52 | Valgrind | I'm Swedish and I didn't get that. :-P |
| 19:23.04 | Cide | I did :P |
| 19:24.16 | krka | we shall rule the world! |
| 19:24.21 | krka | (or atleast this channel) |
| 19:24.37 | krka | except none of us is op :( |
| 19:24.41 | End | nuh uh, I will not consent to your rule |
| 19:24.49 | End | that might be a problem too :P |
| 19:32.13 | Cairenn | but will you submit to mine? |
| 19:32.27 | Cairenn | :p |
| 19:35.04 | Beladona | Cairenn is so powerful, she has double presence |
| 19:37.17 | Shadowed | she's just copying off zespri |
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| 19:37.47 | MentalPower | Ok, can someone please translate the pirate's words" Coming in 1.12: Added Color and BorderColor elements to the XML for backdrops." |
| 19:37.58 | MentalPower | what exactly does that mean |
| 19:38.12 | Mikk | You can do SetBackdropBorderColor and SetBackdropColor on frames today |
| 19:38.17 | Mikk | But you couldn't specify it via XML |
| 19:38.41 | Mikk | I'm assuming they're vertex colors btw, not "colors" |
| 19:39.03 | Mikk | Can't say I've played with it myself. |
| 19:39.10 | MentalPower | so you could do it in Lua butnot in XML, interesting |
| 19:39.41 | Mikk | aye, a bit unusual =P |
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| 19:40.31 | krka | time to add utf-8 support for FAIAP |
| 19:40.32 | MentalPower | hi |
| 19:40.36 | krka | do we have bitlib now? |
| 19:40.39 | Gryphen | heya |
| 19:40.41 | MentalPower | yes, we do |
| 19:40.46 | krka | no wait... i don't need that |
| 19:41.29 | krka | 110xxxxx means between 11000000 and 11011111 |
| 19:41.50 | krka | crap, have to do math stuff |
| 19:42.17 | Mikk | hehe |
| 19:42.28 | krka | can't google calc do base conversions? |
| 19:42.41 | Mikk | windows calc can |
| 19:43.01 | krka | ah.... 0b first |
| 19:43.01 | krka | of course |
| 19:43.42 | MentalPower | ok, here's a nice corner case: if fooItem is a valid item in ServerA, but not in ServerB and people from ServerA are in a battleground with people from ServerB, what happens when you link the item? |
| 19:44.00 | Mikk | they're in the battleground server |
| 19:44.13 | Mikk | if someone has been loaded in the battleground server with that item, it's ok |
| 19:44.15 | Mikk | otherwise, not |
| 19:44.43 | MentalPower | what about calls to GetItemInfo() |
| 19:44.53 | Mikk | it's not so much corner case really.. just the standard "don't link stuff you haven't actually seen" |
| 19:45.06 | MentalPower | thats the function all itemlinkers use to verify that a link is valid |
| 19:45.17 | Mikk | would behave correctly i assume |
| 19:47.07 | MentalPower | so it would correctly indicate that the item is not valid for that server while you're in the instance and when you zone back to your server correctly indicate that it is valid again? |
| 19:48.13 | Mikk | i'm ASSUMING sop |
| 19:48.22 | Mikk | since battlegrounds aren't really "instances" |
| 19:49.17 | Mikk | then again... i have to wonder where the items get cached |
| 19:49.27 | Mikk | if it's on the instance/world servers or in the "portal" servers |
| 19:49.38 | Mikk | (assuming it works like that at all; Legorol and I were speculating earlier) |
| 19:49.58 | MentalPower | guess we'll have to wait till1.12 live to find out |
| 19:50.23 | MentalPower | can't really test it ATM since char transfers are not available, only premades |
| 19:50.39 | Shadowed | You could try finding some obscure item that nobody would have on test |
| 19:50.48 | Shadowed | like a drop from deadmines kind of thing |
| 19:51.23 | Mikk | drop from cookie |
| 19:51.31 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 19:51.46 | Shadowed | although, getting into the same battleground would be fairly hard |
| 19:52.34 | Mikk | actually, if you REALLY want stuff that noone has.... go get stuff from BFD or Uldaman |
| 19:53.06 | Shadowed | it would be pretty hard to get into the same battleground unless you're queueing up all day for like AV |
| 19:53.20 | Mikk | same as what? |
| 19:53.38 | Mikk | just paste the link to joe random player and see what happens =P |
| 19:53.48 | Shadowed | your logic is not welcome here :p |
| 19:53.53 | Beladona | if they haven't already thought of that, it would be a good thing to test and bring up before 1.12 goes live |
| 19:54.16 | Beladona | I would assume however that the instance automatically gets stuff you have and caches it if it isn't already |
| 19:54.16 | Shadowed | Assuming the 3 PM ETA is right, i'll have some time to test it quickly |
| 20:07.07 | Mikk | argh. how do you get an editbox to scroll to the far left? |
| 20:07.28 | AnduinLothar | yu don' |
| 20:07.38 | AnduinLothar | alt-leftarrow |
| 20:07.52 | Mikk | home, actually |
| 20:07.59 | Mikk | but there's no way whatsoever to do it programatically? |
| 20:09.14 | Kirov | EditBox:SetHighlight(strlen(text).strlen(text)) ? |
| 20:11.32 | krka | i want bliz to make a setcursor :/ |
| 20:11.40 | krka | and a getcursor |
| 20:12.28 | Kirov | SetCaret() GetCaret() |
| 20:12.56 | krka | yeah |
| 20:13.03 | Mikk | :Insert() looks promising |
| 20:14.31 | Kirov | stupid wow forum login server |
| 20:17.43 | Mikk | meh.. :HighLightText(0,1) followed by Insert()ing the first letter in the string works |
| 20:17.50 | Mikk | But ONLY after an OnUpdate has passed |
| 20:18.22 | End | oooo |
| 20:18.25 | End | Yes, in 1.12 release you will be able to use "BATTLEGROUND" in addition to the other message types. |
| 20:18.42 | End | (should have put quotes around that) |
| 20:18.51 | Shadowed | YAY! |
| 20:18.55 | Mikk | This is SendAddonMessage? |
| 20:18.57 | End | yes |
| 20:19.07 | Mikk | And he hasn't fixed the capitalization? =) |
| 20:19.13 | Shadowed | He said he wasn't going to on IRC |
| 20:19.18 | Mikk | ah i missed that |
| 20:19.24 | Kirov | lazy bum |
| 20:19.25 | End | he said he wasn't at first, but I thought he changed his mind |
| 20:19.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i love garry's mod. Great way to pass the time while waiting on the PTR :x |
| 20:21.08 | Mikk | can someone post a wish for at least an EditBox:ScrollLeft()? |
| 20:22.03 | krka | man, rewriting code is boring :) |
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| 20:25.50 | AnduinLothar | updating documentation is worse |
| 20:26.33 | Mikk | coding cramp > * |
| 20:32.08 | Mikk | Mikk > Editboxes |
| 20:32.43 | Mikk | After EditBox:SetText(), do a SetScript("OnUpdate") to an ugly function that simply selects the first letter, and replaces it with itself via Insert(). And then SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) |
| 20:32.53 | AnduinLothar | good, find me a way to have it not truncate in a scrollframe |
| 20:33.13 | Mikk | o.O |
| 20:33.17 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:33.28 | Mikk | truncate whichwha? |
| 20:34.03 | AnduinLothar | Editboxes seem to truncate in huge scroll frames... |
| 20:34.36 | Mikk | Don't they just hate stuff that's more than 4k letters in general? |
| 20:34.48 | AnduinLothar | possibly |
| 20:35.09 | Kirov | you can do CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent); right? |
| 20:35.22 | Mikk | yes |
| 20:35.24 | AnduinLothar | dont see why not |
| 20:35.46 | Thrae | Yes, the second argument is just a global name for the frame. Probably does the equivilent of getglobal(name) = C_CreateFrame |
| 20:36.23 | Mikk | And also stores it internally so that you can GetName() it |
| 20:36.29 | Mikk | But yeah |
| 20:36.32 | Mikk | That's about it |
| 20:36.50 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, 6mo since the last sea update on curse. |
| 20:36.53 | Kirov | yeah, don't care if the frame has a name, as it's going to be referenced locally |
| 20:37.04 | Mikk | works just fine |
| 20:38.13 | wereHamster | Kirov, CreateFrame("Frame") also works :) |
| 20:38.53 | AnduinLothar | hot.... who added itunes support in 1.12! |
| 20:39.43 | Kaso | waah? |
| 20:39.49 | AnduinLothar | mac only :) |
| 20:39.51 | Mery | only mac |
| 20:39.54 | Kaso | Nooo! |
| 20:39.57 | Mery | can you post a ss? |
| 20:40.02 | Kaso | stupid macs |
| 20:40.10 | AnduinLothar | haven't used it yet, just reading about it |
| 20:40.18 | AnduinLothar | but i may have to check it out now |
| 20:40.50 | End | yeah, there is mention of possible support for winamp/itunes/etc for windows in a later patch |
| 20:41.13 | krka | do i have any volonteers for testing my changes to FAIAP? |
| 20:41.33 | AnduinLothar | ooo, i like GameTooltip:AddFontStrings |
| 20:42.10 | krka | it is most likely broken since i haven't tested it at all :/ |
| 20:42.21 | Mery | next patch if all the mac people post how good it is and windows people start whining "blizzard gets paid by apple", "blizzard hates hord err windows" |
| 20:42.25 | Thrae | Only MobInfo2 has the power to give you over 30 lines of information =/ |
| 20:42.40 | AnduinLothar | :D |
| 20:42.53 | AnduinLothar | now we jsut need it for dropdown menus.. |
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| 20:43.18 | Thrae | I made my own tooltip replacement for non-SetX calls, very tiny |
| 20:44.06 | AnduinLothar | er... why can't i log into the test server |
| 20:44.11 | Mikk | Thrae: whichwha? |
| 20:44.12 | Shadowed | It's down |
| 20:44.18 | AnduinLothar | :'( |
| 20:44.39 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - btw, I never checked, did you scrap the meta method stuff for hooking RegisterEvent? |
| 20:44.46 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 20:45.19 | Thrae | Mikk: Just a frame that looks and acts like a tooltip, except it can't accept SetX calls because it creates its FontStrings dynamically. |
| 20:45.25 | Mikk | o |
| 20:45.35 | Mikk | interesting |
| 20:45.57 | Thrae | Mikk: http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/TipLib, it's embeddable |
| 20:46.10 | Mikk | Obtw, I've implemented a better dropdown menu thingy |
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| 20:46.32 | Mikk | I suspect I'm duplicating some work here, but I had some specific requirements |
| 20:47.03 | Mikk | Like being able to set one or two args in the first-level button, and the drop down a submenu which sets other arguments and then calls the function |
| 20:47.23 | krka | no one can help me by testing FAIAP? :/ |
| 20:47.59 | Kirov | krka - testing how? |
| 20:48.11 | krka | just using it and see if it worsk |
| 20:48.13 | krka | works |
| 20:48.24 | Kirov | I can when I get home tonight |
| 20:48.27 | Kirov | but not now, no |
| 20:49.17 | krka | ok |
| 20:49.38 | Mikk | Mneh. Too bloated for me =) |
| 20:49.56 | Mikk | (Not an insult, I just don't need a whole lot out of it =)) |
| 20:50.11 | Kirov | krka - what's changed? |
| 20:50.28 | krka | rewrote large parts of it to support UTF-8 |
| 20:50.36 | krka | since that's what wow uses |
| 20:50.53 | krka | basically, it's a fix for a theoretical problem :) |
| 20:50.59 | Thrae|Away | Mikk: Dewdrop can do that |
| 20:51.41 | krka | if you use a unicode character that's represented as "192.X" where X is the character for some special symbol (quotes, dot, dash, whatever), current FAIAP would freak out |
| 20:51.48 | AnduinLothar | "You know you wanna" http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4330 |
| 20:52.05 | krka | those cases probably don't exist though |
| 20:52.14 | AnduinLothar | course you have to get beladona to aprove it first |
| 20:52.16 | krka | hmm... actually, they can't exist |
| 20:52.49 | Thrae|Away | krka: If I save my localization files as UTF-8, do I need to use character codes anymore? |
| 20:53.14 | ToastTheif | Could anyone help me with this for a second? - http://pastebin.com/752496 |
| 20:53.19 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - I love the message on there |
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| 20:53.36 | krka | Thrae|Away no idea |
| 20:53.42 | AnduinLothar | i know huh |
| 20:54.06 | Mikk | Thrae|Away: no you don't |
| 20:54.28 | AnduinLothar | that was for v1 like a million yrs ago |
| 20:54.33 | AnduinLothar | they're all embedded now |
| 20:54.34 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - I think you need to add a message on all of your mods "I AM A COSMOS DEV, AND NO I'M NOT GOING TO REMOVE OR CHANGE THE DEPENDANCIES TO NON COSMOS ONES." |
| 20:54.52 | Beladona | sorry, what? someone need me? |
| 20:55.14 | Mikk | Mneh we were just lusting after your general presence |
| 20:55.19 | Mikk | o.O |
| 20:55.21 | AnduinLothar | well, not really NEED you, just need your admin capibilities to aprove my addon |
| 20:55.22 | Kirov | Beladona - AnduinLothar updated one of his mods |
| 20:55.35 | Beladona | yeah, was just looking at that |
| 20:55.39 | Kirov | We just like you for your body. |
| 20:55.39 | Thrae|Away | AnduinLothar: What's wrong with using SPELLCAST_START or CHAT_MSG_x to capture spell casts? Didn't want range issues? |
| 20:55.41 | Mikk | ToastTheif: Sure, if you use pastebin.ca instead of pastebin.com |
| 20:55.50 | Shadowed | pastebin.com = 5 minutes to load |
| 20:55.51 | Mikk | pastebin.com is too laggy |
| 20:56.07 | ToastTheif | lol okay |
| 20:56.15 | Gryphen | paste-bin.com :) |
| 20:56.27 | Kirov | wow.pastecode.com - same great flavor, less filling |
| 20:56.27 | krka | paste-src would be better name |
| 20:56.42 | Shadowed | paste-stuff |
| 20:56.47 | AnduinLothar | Thrae... how much info do you get out of those? |
| 20:56.53 | Beladona | approved |
| 20:56.56 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 20:57.27 | AnduinLothar | Chat msg just gets name... spellcast just gets name and cast time |
| 20:57.36 | AnduinLothar | NOT GOOD ENOUGH! |
| 20:58.03 | Beladona | did some backend changes on wdn. If it looks funny, please refresh. Moved some files around, so browser cache might act funny |
| 20:58.22 | Beladona | moved some xml data to mysql too, pending some new stuff coming soon |
| 20:58.39 | Thrae|Away | Yeah, but ArcanePartyBars only works if you have other ArcanePartyBar users, right? Or can it use Sky to request information from anyone using Sky? |
| 20:58.53 | AnduinLothar | i need to know where it's going, who's casting it, when it's gonna get there, and what the pretty texture is and i dont want to store a database of all possible spells from ANYTHING |
| 20:59.12 | AnduinLothar | nope, the others have to have it too |
| 20:59.39 | Thrae|Away | Not that I don't mind Sky, I'm still going to be much, much happier when we all use some type of standardized data communication lib. |
| 20:59.51 | AnduinLothar | tho someone offered to write a backend database to catch chat messages and generate events.. |
| 21:00.01 | AnduinLothar | i just cant for the life of me remember who it was |
| 21:00.24 | Thrae|Away | Then I could use ArcanePartyBars and have a much better chance to find people who can give me information. |
| 21:00.36 | Gryphen | Make Sky standard :p |
| 21:00.48 | AnduinLothar | Most of the information isn't readilly availible to the player, much less to other people... thus why the mod is so complicated |
| 21:01.26 | Thrae|Away | It isn't time for a standardized communication lib yet ;) When SendAddonMessage is finalized and working mostly bug-free, then it will. |
| 21:01.43 | AnduinLothar | if i had a localized database of all possible spells and their minimum cast time i could make it work with a lil less info avail |
| 21:02.11 | AnduinLothar | but that'd be massive and too painful to make |
| 21:02.16 | Kirov | Only thing SendAddonMessage needs is a queue system |
| 21:02.16 | Thrae|Away | I Babble-Spell has a localized list of all spell names, not sure about information. |
| 21:02.22 | Shadowed | Doesn't Carnival have something like that Andalia? |
| 21:02.25 | Shadowed | err AnduinLothar |
| 21:02.34 | AnduinLothar | does it? |
| 21:02.38 | Thrae|Away | Kirov: slouken says he wants to implement it with a queue before releasing it. |
| 21:02.52 | Shadowed | where'd he say that? |
| 21:02.54 | Kirov | Thrae|Away - for 1.12? woot |
| 21:03.12 | Thrae|Away | Kirov: Not sure for 1.12, but he did say "he didn't want to half-ass it" |
| 21:03.30 | Thrae|Away | I'm paraphrasing there :D |
| 21:03.39 | Mikk | hum? his forum post says "no" to throttling |
| 21:03.39 | Kirov | w/ or w/o priority is the main question |
| 21:03.48 | Kirov | Mikk - it says "not yet" |
| 21:03.52 | Mikk | mkay |
| 21:04.23 | Mikk | Trying to give all subjects equal priority would be nice |
| 21:04.30 | Mikk | or whatever the name is |
| 21:04.31 | Mikk | topic? |
| 21:04.58 | Thrae|Away | Is he definately going to release it with 1.12? |
| 21:05.06 | Kirov | SendAddonMessage is |
| 21:05.10 | Thrae|Away | I was under the impression he didn't want to release it without throttling. |
| 21:05.22 | Mikk | There's a blue post saying it'll be in |
| 21:05.28 | Mikk | Doubt he can back out now |
| 21:05.39 | Kirov | there's waaay too many people looking foward to this |
| 21:05.45 | Thrae|Away | Blue posts are made to be broken :D |
| 21:06.06 | Thrae|Away | Kirov: Number of people waiting for Shaman Buffs - 500,000. Number people waiting for SendAddonMessage - 50. |
| 21:06.58 | Mikk | Oooh hey I just invented how to move the cursor in editboxes come to think of it |
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| 21:07.34 | Mikk | The only problem being that it can't be moved to the absolutely first letter |
| 21:08.34 | Kirov | Mikk why not? |
| 21:08.46 | AnduinLothar | Natur EnemyCastBar has a giant localized table with spell info |
| 21:08.53 | AnduinLothar | looks liek a bitch to maintain |
| 21:09.02 | Mikk | Because :HighlightText(0,1), :Insert("x") places the cursor at the 2nd position |
| 21:09.05 | Mikk | After the letter you insert |
| 21:10.04 | Thrae|Away | AnduinLothar: Would you use the embeddable Babble-Spell for localized spell names, or would you avoid it because it's made by the Ace2 author? |
| 21:10.20 | AnduinLothar | does it require ace2? |
| 21:10.46 | Mikk | I'd imagine it requiring AceLibrary |
| 21:10.47 | Kirov | Mikk - so, insert("") |
| 21:10.54 | AnduinLothar | cause it would be increadably silly to embed ace2 and sea in the same addon, heh |
| 21:10.57 | Thrae|Away | The latest version probably requires AceLibrary, which is an advanced version of Iriel's stub code and technically part of Ace2. |
| 21:11.06 | Mikk | Kirov: How do I get the first letter back then? |
| 21:11.19 | krka | do we need a communication lib when we have SendAddonMessage? |
| 21:11.19 | krka | whoa... just had an idea |
| 21:11.21 | Thrae|Away | Well Ace2 is broken down into several tiny parts, AceLibrary is just the stub code. |
| 21:11.23 | krka | no, it went away |
| 21:11.36 | Kirov | Mikk - insert(" "..char) sethighlight insert("") |
| 21:11.48 | AnduinLothar | long as it doesn't have the same problems as ace with horrible coding i don't mind |
| 21:11.48 | Mikk | hmm yeah i was just going to try that |
| 21:12.08 | Thrae|Away | krka: We'd need it until they put in throttling, and we also don't know how the messages are being transfered. |
| 21:12.19 | AnduinLothar | my main grip about Ace 1 was that i couldn't read the code and the author was an ass |
| 21:12.26 | Thrae|Away | Might save us some to bitlib encode them first before transferring if it's just raw data. |
| 21:12.33 | Kirov | krka - You need to get yourself a leash for those ideas or they're just gunna run all over and pee on your furnature |
| 21:12.41 | Thrae|Away | AnduinLothar: Yeah, Ace2 is all about documentation, documentation, documentation |
| 21:12.48 | Mikk | Thrae|Away: There's still the problem of message length and encoding complex data types |
| 21:13.12 | AnduinLothar | still need global channel and whisper support |
| 21:13.12 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - I have the same problem with the sky author! er, wait |
| 21:13.17 | Mikk | Message rate throttling is implemented in like 10 lines of code |
| 21:13.46 | AnduinLothar | yeah, throttlign isn't hard, it'as just finding the right rate that's hard |
| 21:13.50 | Kirov | Though, admittedly I couldn't read sky code worth a damn because the first time I looked at it I didn't understand oo |
| 21:13.58 | Thrae|Away | Well I would hope when slouken said "throttling", he meant in both message rate AND message length |
| 21:14.09 | AnduinLothar | it's the same thing |
| 21:14.20 | AnduinLothar | the wall is a data/time |
| 21:14.29 | Kirov | disconnect is based on bytes sent |
| 21:14.29 | Mikk | I meant message lengths > 255 characters |
| 21:14.29 | AnduinLothar | not messages or char related |
| 21:14.49 | AnduinLothar | oh i highly doubt he's gonna implement packetization |
| 21:14.57 | Mikk | same |
| 21:15.24 | Thrae|Away | AceComm is going to implement throttling and packetization, we'll see how that goes. |
| 21:15.28 | AnduinLothar | and thrae, if it onyl has names it's not very useful to me |
| 21:15.39 | Thrae|Away | AnduinLothar: Does Sky already have that already? |
| 21:15.41 | AnduinLothar | needs names attached to info |
| 21:15.48 | AnduinLothar | have what? |
| 21:15.53 | Mikk | yes |
| 21:16.01 | Mikk | throttling and packetization |
| 21:16.06 | AnduinLothar | in since day 1 |
| 21:16.08 | Mikk | including encoding nested tables for transfer |
| 21:16.21 | AnduinLothar | aye, serialization of lua objects |
| 21:16.26 | Thrae|Away | Nice. |
| 21:16.54 | Thrae|Away | AnduinLothar: Well the idea would be to find another lib that has all the spell data index with English spell names, as it doesn't make sense to have duplicate spell data |
| 21:16.55 | AnduinLothar | prolly gonna nuke the mailbox format for 1.12 it's just confusing |
| 21:17.06 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 21:17.13 | Thrae|Away | TheoryCraft may have its own lib |
| 21:17.59 | AnduinLothar | well if i could get the information in a locical and embeddable way I don't have any particular qualm with AceLibrary, but i haven't looked at it yet |
| 21:18.16 | AnduinLothar | so i haven't yet formed oppinions about it |
| 21:19.00 | AnduinLothar | the difference tho is that my embedding code is retartedly simple and doesn't need a lib to impliment :) |
| 21:19.40 | AnduinLothar | but i'd much rather use someone elses code if it's applicable rather than write my own |
| 21:19.49 | Gryphen | you also dont have to monitor an outside source for updates |
| 21:19.59 | Thrae|Away | Yeah, but embedded libs are getting more and more popular. It makes sense to standardize the stub code itself. |
| 21:20.15 | Mikk | Kirov: Yeah, your idea works. I was afraid it wouldn't scroll left if I did it that way, but it does =) |
| 21:20.27 | AnduinLothar | we tried standardization... no one likes it |
| 21:20.52 | AnduinLothar | whatever wins the popularity contest = standard |
| 21:21.18 | Thrae|Away | Heh, guess that's one major difference between Ace mod coders and Cosmos/Khaos mod coders -- Ace is all about standardization |
| 21:21.43 | Gryphen | Erm, that was the founding base of Cosmos |
| 21:22.02 | Gryphen | A standard for everyone to develop on, people wanted to do their own thing |
| 21:22.12 | Gryphen | Will always be like that |
| 21:22.22 | Thrae|Away | I'm talking the mod coders, not the devs themselves |
| 21:22.54 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos devs are the mod coders... |
| 21:23.02 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=9117870&P=1 - read the first post then skip to |
| 21:23.02 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9118340&tmp=1#post9118340 |
| 21:23.02 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9118547&tmp=1#post9118547 |
| 21:23.12 | dreamss | 2:21pm] <wi'Thrae|Away> Heh, guess that's one major difference between Ace mod coders and Cosmos/Khaos mod coders -- Ace is all about standardization |
| 21:23.15 | dreamss | thats bullshit |
| 21:23.24 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 21:23.36 | dreamss | ace allways dissed cosmos and their devs |
| 21:23.57 | dreamss | comsos devs been trying to make libs and shit everyone can use |
| 21:24.09 | dreamss | also i seen them propose standards |
| 21:24.22 | Thrae|Away | 17:24 < AnduinLothar> we tried standardization... no one likes it <-- I was responding to this, sorry if I misunderstood. |
| 21:24.30 | AnduinLothar | I don't really want to argue about this, but it's always seemed to me kinda like "I don't liek your standard, I'm gonna make my own"... |
| 21:25.09 | AnduinLothar | and i don't really have a problem with that. I used to take it personally and it pissed me off |
| 21:25.43 | AnduinLothar | but I've gotten used to people thinkign they can do it better themselves. |
| 21:25.44 | dreamss | people have things agaist cosmos for no reason |
| 21:25.58 | Legorol | there are alos many many people who like it |
| 21:25.59 | Legorol | so there |
| 21:26.12 | Legorol | because it's one of the oldest, most well-known "things", people have opinion about it |
| 21:26.16 | Legorol | that's all, no more, no less |
| 21:26.20 | Kirov | My opinion of Ace is that it's a slimmed down Cosmos. And by slimmed down I mean broken up in to 500 more peices to do the same thing. |
| 21:26.20 | AnduinLothar | lol, where did all these cosmos people come from. poor thrae |
| 21:26.39 | Kirov | Cosmos dug it's own grave by become popular. |
| 21:26.51 | Kirov | s/become/becoming |
| 21:26.54 | Legorol | well I think part of it is that Cosmos is many things at once |
| 21:26.56 | AnduinLothar | heh, i'm still waiting for ctra to eat it |
| 21:27.04 | Gryphen | heh |
| 21:27.12 | Cide | eat it, eh? |
| 21:27.19 | AnduinLothar | lol, too popular |
| 21:27.22 | Legorol | it's schizophrenic qualities make it ... misunderstood |
| 21:27.24 | Thrae|Away | Ooo, Ace vs Cosmos vs CTMod three-way brawl! |
| 21:27.29 | Legorol | nah |
| 21:27.31 | Legorol | we all do a group hug |
| 21:27.33 | Gryphen | Didn't help there was a smear campaign against Cosmos in order to sell other addons |
| 21:27.34 | Legorol | competition is good |
| 21:27.43 | krka | CT currently pwns all without a question |
| 21:27.45 | Cide | I hardly see this channel as very competitive |
| 21:27.49 | krka | EVERYONE uses CTRA |
| 21:27.53 | MoonWolf | not me! |
| 21:27.59 | Legorol | Cide: cooperative competition is best |
| 21:27.59 | krka | well, not me either actually |
| 21:28.01 | MoonWolf | ofcourse i don' t raid either. |
| 21:28.04 | krka | but i dont have a level 60 :P |
| 21:28.10 | Legorol | why is that one company owns Coke, Seven Up, Sprite, Fanta etc. ;-) |
| 21:28.15 | Legorol | it lets its own products compete |
| 21:28.20 | Kirov | Cosmos was _the_ compilation to get for a while, then there was a big hoopila about Cosmos breaking between every patch, and deleting other addons when people tried to expand, or it got outright blaimed for causing someone's computer to explode. |
| 21:28.24 | AnduinLothar | lol, i tried soo hard to NOT use ctra.. but EasyRaid uses it's comm system for main tanks |
| 21:28.35 | krka | I am too lazy to make an addon if there already exists one that works |
| 21:28.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ToastTheif (i=ToastThe@24-177-162-9.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 21:28.39 | AnduinLothar | so i have ctra enabled but none of it is visible |
| 21:28.43 | Legorol | Kirov: yes the nopatch thing is a big fiasco |
| 21:28.53 | Legorol | and we still haven't gotten over it completely |
| 21:29.08 | AnduinLothar | Dormlock's removing it for v3 |
| 21:29.12 | krka | yeah, the nopatch thing was retarded :/ |
| 21:29.16 | Thrae|Away | krka: But what if you could make it -better-? |
| 21:29.19 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, couldn't he just invert it? |
| 21:29.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that's what he's doing |
| 21:29.31 | Legorol | yay! at last"! |
| 21:29.34 | AnduinLothar | cept it's not gonan have files |
| 21:29.34 | Thrae|Away | Take MetaMap...god I want to recode that thing because -I- use it, but I don't have the time |
| 21:29.36 | krka | Thrae|Away i know i can't :) |
| 21:29.38 | Legorol | i've been waiting for this for so long |
| 21:29.40 | AnduinLothar | just a chache of comsos files |
| 21:29.45 | Kirov | I think the big difference between CTRA and Cosmos is CTRA broke less often between patches due to it's confined nature, vs. Cosmos's everything works with everything. |
| 21:29.47 | Legorol | yeah, cool, details don't matter |
| 21:29.51 | Legorol | as long as the logic is inverted |
| 21:29.57 | Legorol | :) |
| 21:29.57 | End | Metamap has a release once or twice a week I've noticed o_O |
| 21:30.13 | Legorol | Kirov: also it doesn't help Cosmos that it's 3 different things at once |
| 21:30.19 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 21:30.20 | Legorol | 1) it's a framework for addon devs |
| 21:30.20 | AnduinLothar | And actually i think i got thott to allow patcher auto-updatign too |
| 21:30.29 | Legorol | 2) it's a set of addons coded to work with each other |
| 21:30.34 | Legorol | 3) it's a compilation of 3rd party addons |
| 21:30.35 | AnduinLothar | gotta get details worked out with dormlock |
| 21:30.37 | Kirov | I also have a feeling that the .exe spawned a lot of misguided hate. |
| 21:30.51 | Thrae|Away | MetaMap needs to be broken up, currently it takes up around 20-200KB/s |
| 21:30.52 | End | the issue with being a framework is most people don't want to have to rely on a framework |
| 21:30.55 | Legorol | well i will tell you this one honestly, even if AnduinLothar eats me for breakfast |
| 21:31.06 | AnduinLothar | i AM hungry.. |
| 21:31.10 | krka | do it the unix way: do one thing and do it well! |
| 21:31.10 | Legorol | the current Release/Alpha system has advantages, but it's one of the biggest PR fiascos too imo :) |
| 21:31.32 | krka | i use the AutoTravel map :P |
| 21:31.38 | Legorol | Release is buggy because of stuff that hasn't been pushed to it yet, Alpha is buggy because of new stuff |
| 21:31.47 | Kirov | I remember people reporting that the update .exe was a big trojan and would steal all your passwords ... mainly because some idiots installed some other mod that did it but they for some reason fingered Cosmos for it. |
| 21:31.52 | krka | even if it's ugly as sin |
| 21:32.07 | End | Kirov: I remember that too |
| 21:32.07 | Legorol | Kirov: yeah there was a lot of finger pointing at the patcher.. |
| 21:32.27 | Legorol | the best one was one guy who posted on our forums saying lookie, i found this virus in your patcher |
| 21:32.30 | AnduinLothar | lol, someone reported the exe as a trojan and the output that said what it did and the output confirmsed that he was an idiot |
| 21:33.00 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:33.09 | Legorol | I think the Sky channels messup gave rise to some hate too |
| 21:33.18 | Legorol | well Cosmos has a long history |
| 21:33.21 | Legorol | few things are bound to go wrong |
| 21:33.27 | Legorol | some people move on, but keep pointing fingers |
| 21:33.51 | krka | what is metamap exactly btw? |
| 21:33.54 | Thrae|Away | krka: Unix is based on the standard kernel, operating system, server layers. Windows is based on the same, but hides a lot of what it does and can't be broken up into its component parts. |
| 21:33.54 | wereHamster | does anyone of you have a webpage debugging tool? I have a webpage and there is an single letter and I don't know where in the webpage source code it's located |
| 21:33.58 | Kirov | I also feel like the fact that CTRA is aimed at the lvl 45+ crowd that it avoids a lot of this. |
| 21:33.59 | Mikk | Also, any problem with any component in Cosmos will be blamed on "Cosmos", not the component, since it's so integrated. |
| 21:34.12 | AnduinLothar | basicly |
| 21:34.14 | Legorol | Mikk, that's a good point |
| 21:34.17 | Thrae|Away | krka: AlphaMap + MapNotes + WoWKB |
| 21:34.25 | krka | wowkb? |
| 21:34.27 | Industrial | WoWKB? |
| 21:34.30 | End | doesn't it have the atlas maps too? |
| 21:34.31 | Industrial | heh |
| 21:34.34 | AnduinLothar | wowkb? |
| 21:34.38 | Thrae|Away | Those are LoadOnDemand |
| 21:34.49 | End | wowkb stores information about things you've seen I think |
| 21:34.54 | End | I don't remember exactly |
| 21:35.01 | krka | ah i see |
| 21:35.05 | AnduinLothar | beautiful sunsets? |
| 21:35.07 | End | (although it might come with preset data?) |
| 21:35.12 | krka | i was planning on doing that too |
| 21:35.13 | End | no, like map things :P |
| 21:35.15 | krka | like storing NPC locations? |
| 21:35.22 | End | I think so, not sure. |
| 21:35.26 | End | don't take my word for it though |
| 21:35.38 | Legorol | weeee, i just went to Curse and got an advert for bride.ru |
| 21:35.42 | Legorol | maybe it's trying to tell me something |
| 21:35.48 | AnduinLothar | funny thing is i hear all this now after i've already reimplemented it myself |
| 21:35.50 | Mery | lol |
| 21:35.57 | Thrae|Away | Yeah, WoWKB is essentially MobInfo2 except it stores less data and doesn't play with tooltips. |
| 21:36.08 | Gryphen | the Zap the mosquito advert is really annoying |
| 21:37.28 | Kirov | legorol - someone was saying they saw that ad and the feature mod was AutoServitude |
| 21:37.40 | Legorol | lol |
| 21:38.03 | AnduinLothar | ok, so you can dl now: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4330 |
| 21:38.20 | AnduinLothar | what i really need to do is get a riad of people to test it |
| 21:38.37 | Legorol | i had a really annoying bug the other day |
| 21:38.38 | AnduinLothar | cause i have no idea if it'd handle 40 people spamming spells |
| 21:38.51 | Legorol | it somehow managed to get itself between the glass cover and the actual pixels of my LCD |
| 21:39.00 | Legorol | so i couldn't wipe it off |
| 21:39.03 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 21:39.08 | Legorol | it was wandering around, slower and slower.. |
| 21:39.13 | Legorol | it was probably too hot and bright for it |
| 21:39.23 | Legorol | i thought it will die in the middle of the screen and make a splodge forever |
| 21:39.29 | Gryphen | hmm, i saw a video of that Legorol recently |
| 21:39.34 | Legorol | so i quickly turned the monitor off for half an hour |
| 21:39.51 | Legorol | it wandered off in that time, especially because i turned on all lights and lamps around the monitor |
| 21:40.48 | krka | smart! |
| 21:40.49 | krka | S-M-R-T |
| 21:41.13 | snurre | homer ftw |
| 21:41.15 | AnduinLothar | hmmm 10k views.. 1k dls |
| 21:41.28 | AnduinLothar | wonder if curse has stats like that.. |
| 21:41.53 | End | curse just has last month/total downloads afaik |
| 21:42.05 | AnduinLothar | ya, but not views |
| 21:42.15 | End | yeah |
| 21:42.43 | Kirov | "views" counts just make me depressed |
| 21:42.53 | AnduinLothar | oh thrae: what does it store spell names too? a #? |
| 21:43.08 | Kirov | I have one mod that's like 10k views, 47 downloads |
| 21:43.09 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:43.22 | End | wow Kirov, there is a bit of a difference there o_O |
| 21:43.39 | AnduinLothar | i just htink it's interesting |
| 21:43.54 | AnduinLothar | cause Sea has liek 2views for every dl |
| 21:44.00 | AnduinLothar | and APB is 10/1 |
| 21:44.04 | Kirov | http://brodrick.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4302 |
| 21:44.23 | Kirov | 1882 dl, 22336 views |
| 21:44.23 | AnduinLothar | IsCasting is 30/1 |
| 21:44.31 | Gryphen | I blame the Comments :D |
| 21:44.51 | AnduinLothar | lol, read the comment here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5181 |
| 21:45.16 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:45.36 | Kirov | zomg, a al addon with out sky dependancies?! |
| 21:45.48 | Kirov | _unheardof_ |
| 21:46.01 | Legorol | it's more impressive it doesn't depend on Sea |
| 21:46.25 | AnduinLothar | only 1 hook |
| 21:46.40 | Gryphen | lol |
| 21:47.09 | End | hmm, that might actually be a useful addon |
| 21:47.12 | AnduinLothar | hmm Wardrobe is 2.5/1 |
| 21:47.23 | End | although, I -rarely- ever see people post urls in WoW |
| 21:47.38 | Kirov | End - because you can't click on it and copy! |
| 21:47.40 | AnduinLothar | yeah but when you do... it's a pain in the ass to type it out :D |
| 21:47.51 | Mikk | tinyurl.com ftw |
| 21:47.54 | End | Kirov: yeah, that's true |
| 21:47.59 | End | you can copy and paste into WoW |
| 21:48.06 | AnduinLothar | you can too |
| 21:48.20 | Kirov | Now, if only there was a web browser in wow |
| 21:48.22 | AnduinLothar | just not to and from the ScrollingMessageFrames |
| 21:48.25 | End | yeah |
| 21:48.29 | AnduinLothar | or other windows |
| 21:48.30 | End | unfortunately :( |
| 21:48.35 | AnduinLothar | just editboxes :P |
| 21:48.40 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 21:48.44 | Mikk | i want a Clipboard:Set() and Clipboard:Get() |
| 21:48.47 | AnduinLothar | wonder if i could make a mod to do that.. |
| 21:48.52 | End | Mikk: not a chance in hell I'm guessing |
| 21:48.54 | Kirov | though, I'm still miffed they removed the ability to link to websites other than their "prefered" list |
| 21:49.04 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:49.13 | Mikk | huhn? |
| 21:49.19 | Kirov | SimpleHTML |
| 21:49.21 | Mikk | o |
| 21:49.30 | Kirov | You can create hyperlinks that'll open up a browser outside of wow |
| 21:49.41 | AnduinLothar | there we go 20/1 http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5143 |
| 21:49.50 | Kirov | but since 1.4 or so they disabled it working on non-blizzard sites |
| 21:50.18 | End | AnduinLothar: that seems useful too |
| 21:50.34 | End | AnduinLothar: how come I only ever hear about the AddOns of yours I'm -not- interested in :( |
| 21:50.36 | AnduinLothar | I know huh, don't you hate it when i write useful mods |
| 21:50.51 | End | I just wish I -knew- about your useful mods ;p |
| 21:50.56 | End | before now that is :P |
| 21:50.57 | Gryphen | Quick, someone bash his userful mods! |
| 21:51.14 | End | I'll use the report link "please remove this AddOn is too useful" |
| 21:51.16 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4472 anyone? |
| 21:51.21 | End | (or report file, whatever) |
| 21:51.28 | krka | useful mods are boring to write :) |
| 21:51.36 | AnduinLothar | only 7/1 |
| 21:52.08 | Mery | yeah because back then you could even chance the glueXML and open a website http://somestuff.com/IsealYourPassword?account="..ACCOUNTNAME_EDITBOX:GetText().."&pw="..PASSWORD_EDITBOX:GetText() |
| 21:52.18 | Mery | steal* |
| 21:52.23 | AnduinLothar | now see IsMounted is very useful, and did you see the flack it got on curse when I put it out? |
| 21:52.40 | AnduinLothar | they're like, dude, this is completely useless |
| 21:52.47 | End | o_O |
| 21:52.53 | Mikk | people on curse don't understand what a developer tool is |
| 21:52.56 | wereHamster | is there an IRC channel for adobe premiere or other NLE tools? |
| 21:53.06 | Mikk | every single developer tool has "dude wtf is this?!" comments on it |
| 21:53.18 | AnduinLothar | lol, the BEST comment: "Now required to run Soundtrack, apparently." |
| 21:53.29 | AnduinLothar | i'm like WTF! |
| 21:53.36 | AnduinLothar | then i look at it, it has mounted music |
| 21:53.51 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:53.56 | AnduinLothar | I'm like: dude, that's fricken awesome |
| 21:54.12 | Mikk | R |
| 21:54.13 | Mikk | A |
| 21:54.14 | Mikk | W |
| 21:54.16 | Mikk | HIIIIIIIIIIDE |
| 21:54.38 | AnduinLothar | should prolly make that one embeddable too... course then i don't gt the fun of as many downloads and name recognition.. |
| 21:54.45 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 21:54.53 | Mikk | It's kind of an obvious candidate for embedding, yes =P |
| 21:55.15 | AnduinLothar | i know huh, but when i made Wardrobe use it i instantly got like 2k dls |
| 21:55.29 | AnduinLothar | showing that people do in fact use libs |
| 21:55.53 | Kirov | I've thought about making STranq work with cosmos or ace. |
| 21:56.14 | Kirov | But I haven't been able to come up with a good exuse for it |
| 21:56.17 | Mery | well people don't mind libs as long as its working. |
| 21:56.27 | Kirov | I mean, hell, I already "support" sky |
| 21:56.42 | AnduinLothar | what's STranq do? |
| 21:56.49 | Kirov | SimpleTranqShot |
| 21:56.58 | Kirov | Basically a glorified version of AfterCast |
| 21:57.06 | Kirov | well, originally |
| 21:57.16 | AnduinLothar | ok end you want useful: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4374 |
| 21:57.16 | End | I'm a little irritated when I find out an AddOn I just installed requires a lib I have and I didn't see on the download page or it wasn't bundled, but that's about it |
| 21:57.30 | End | bundling makes me a little nervous about versioning though |
| 21:57.36 | Kirov | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1718-1-simpletranqshot.html |
| 21:57.59 | End | AnduinLothar: I was -looking- for an AddOn like that at one point |
| 21:58.15 | End | (strange I didn't find it) |
| 21:58.26 | AnduinLothar | prolly keywords |
| 21:58.27 | Kirov | STranq is the #1 most downloaded hunter addon by more than double the next on the list |
| 21:58.37 | End | yeah, I suppose so |
| 21:58.39 | Kirov | which makes me glee a little |
| 21:58.48 | AnduinLothar | yay for kirov |
| 21:59.03 | Kirov | I helps that Sorren's dead for a bit |
| 21:59.04 | AnduinLothar | don't le tthe popularity go to your head... soon it'll bite you in the ass |
| 21:59.05 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:59.38 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - aye, I should add my password stealer and trojans soon. |
| 21:59.41 | Gryphen | STranq is a bloated pos and it deleted my non-STranq addons! |
| 21:59.47 | End | rofl |
| 22:00.02 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:00.04 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:00.05 | Kirov | tempting |
| 22:00.29 | Kirov | on ADDON_LOADED I can nil out valuable functions in competing addons |
| 22:00.49 | AnduinLothar | lol, the best was alex's old tooltip mod |
| 22:00.55 | wereHamster | Make sure they are in OptionalDeps |
| 22:01.09 | AnduinLothar | added <Loot Ninja> |
| 22:01.18 | AnduinLothar | and <Don't group with me> |
| 22:01.25 | Gryphen | ya and auto /bow |
| 22:01.32 | Gryphen | that was a bit of bad pr there lol |
| 22:01.39 | Shadowed | auto /bow? |
| 22:01.47 | Shadowed | Did a /bow when you targetted him i take it? |
| 22:01.50 | wereHamster | ~bow |
| 22:01.52 | purl | ACTION bows |
| 22:01.53 | Gryphen | it would auto bow people before their guild |
| 22:01.54 | AnduinLothar | ya, listed the devs and their realm |
| 22:02.02 | Shadowed | hahaha |
| 22:02.49 | AnduinLothar | was hillarious till people got pissed |
| 22:03.29 | Mery | wasn't there an incident when he added someone else with another emote? |
| 22:03.33 | Mikk | EditBox:SetNumeric(true) doesn't allow you to type ".". Duh. |
| 22:03.49 | AnduinLothar | you know, i don't think anyone really knows that you can add tooltip notes with Cosmos |
| 22:04.03 | AnduinLothar | think it's only slash command |
| 22:04.07 | Gryphen | it is |
| 22:04.08 | AnduinLothar | so no one uses it |
| 22:04.11 | Gryphen | i do |
| 22:04.14 | Gryphen | ;) |
| 22:04.14 | AnduinLothar | what's the command? |
| 22:04.35 | Gryphen | /prop |
| 22:04.40 | AnduinLothar | we should have a tip of the day or something.. |
| 22:05.04 | Gryphen | err, /label now |
| 22:05.11 | AnduinLothar | I nominate you to start it! |
| 22:05.42 | Gryphen | heh, i have an another project |
| 22:05.44 | AnduinLothar | Go, maketh thee a Tip O teh Day: /lable and ussage |
| 22:05.46 | Gryphen | :D |
| 22:06.05 | AnduinLothar | definitely needs to be spelled 'teh' too |
| 22:06.13 | Gryphen | and lable? |
| 22:06.29 | AnduinLothar | aye, so no one can use it |
| 22:06.36 | Gryphen | @#$%4 pos Cosmos /lable doesnt work, bug! |
| 22:06.46 | AnduinLothar | owned |
| 22:06.52 | Mikk | wtf =) |
| 22:06.58 | AnduinLothar | ROFL |
| 22:06.59 | Kirov | Couldn't you just overwrite the existing wow loading screen tips? |
| 22:07.11 | End | not anymore |
| 22:07.17 | Mikk | That's GlueXML |
| 22:07.20 | Kirov | doh |
| 22:07.22 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but then i have to write them all |
| 22:07.34 | AnduinLothar | we already have a Counceler mod |
| 22:07.35 | Mery | you could add another fake loading screen for say 10 sec |
| 22:07.37 | AnduinLothar | that does tips |
| 22:07.45 | Mikk | Mery: That'll be popular =P |
| 22:07.50 | Shadowed | lol |
| 22:07.51 | AnduinLothar | but no one uses it cause no one's written enough useful tips |
| 22:08.04 | Kirov | You could make a hud assistant named Clippy |
| 22:08.09 | End | Kirov: no. |
| 22:08.09 | Mikk | just integrate into the nub tips thingy? |
| 22:08.15 | AnduinLothar | lol clippy |
| 22:08.16 | Gryphen | Vickle |
| 22:08.22 | AnduinLothar | Vickle ftw |
| 22:08.37 | AnduinLothar | should bring that bastard back to life |
| 22:08.48 | Kirov | "You look like you're trying to kill Ragnaros, would you like to get knocked back?" |
| 22:09.03 | Mery | rofl |
| 22:09.04 | AnduinLothar | Yes PLZ |
| 22:09.14 | Kirov | -no- |
| 22:09.29 | Kirov | "Are you sure you don't want to get knocked back?" |
| 22:09.30 | Kirov | -yes- |
| 22:09.34 | AnduinLothar | hmm, pager needs to be resurected too |
| 22:09.38 | Kirov | *rag one shots you* |
| 22:10.07 | AnduinLothar | i though sparkz did... does it not work gryph? |
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| 22:10.22 | Gryphen | not sure |
| 22:10.23 | End | hahaha |
| 22:10.27 | Gryphen | thought it was in soclialmods |
| 22:10.29 | Mikk | Being the last survivor on a botched attempt and surviving 5 6k fireblasts was fun btw =) |
| 22:10.31 | End | ~o_O |
| 22:10.32 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, o_o is some fucking creepy-arse eyes. o_O O_o |
| 22:10.40 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:10.49 | AnduinLothar | er... does it gryph? |
| 22:10.58 | AnduinLothar | thought it justs transmits notes |
| 22:11.00 | Gryphen | not sure, dont have sm installed |
| 22:11.04 | AnduinLothar | me either |
| 22:11.15 | AnduinLothar | i dont care enough to write notes about people |
| 22:11.24 | AnduinLothar | if i can't remember it wasn't important |
| 22:11.36 | Gryphen | ya, i just label :) mainly to keep tabs on people alts |
| 22:11.48 | AnduinLothar | mmm, good idea |
| 22:12.02 | AnduinLothar | half my guild has like 3 60 alts |
| 22:12.11 | Gryphen | I use a variation of Gryphon for all my alts, others use some crazy weird names and i never know who anyone is |
| 22:12.34 | Mikk | Here's a cool idea then |
| 22:12.41 | Gryphen | would be nice if you could label friendsfacts :D |
| 22:12.55 | Mikk | Scan the guild for people with rank names containing "alt" and look for player names in their playernote |
| 22:13.00 | Gryphen | or if it showed labels |
| 22:13.09 | End | Mikk: some guilds have alt guilds |
| 22:13.16 | Mikk | That's their problem =P |
| 22:13.17 | AnduinLothar | the funniest is we have a hunter named Bawb with a pet named Gnawbert and a hunter named Gnawbert with a pet named Bawb... fucks up all ym casting and targetting mods |
| 22:13.22 | End | yes it is |
| 22:13.35 | End | fortunately, my guild doesn't do it that way ;p |
| 22:13.52 | AnduinLothar | my guild has an 'alt' rank |
| 22:14.09 | Kirov | my guild does too |
| 22:14.13 | Mikk | i think nearly everyone has. and named exactly "alt" too =) |
| 22:14.13 | AnduinLothar | and their name is usually in the guild note |
| 22:14.13 | End | yeah, mine does as well |
| 22:14.14 | Gryphen | we have two alt ranks http://tinyurl.com/krwuo |
| 22:14.24 | Kirov | actually, about to go to a new guild that currently has more ranks than members |
| 22:14.39 | Gryphen | lol |
| 22:14.46 | Mikk | Ah, yeah, true we have an officer alt rank too |
| 22:14.57 | AnduinLothar | oh yeah officer alts |
| 22:15.09 | AnduinLothar | my last guild had one liek that, dont think my current one does |
| 22:15.12 | Mikk | Anyway. "alt" anywhere in the rank = probably alt, so look for a player name in the playernote |
| 22:15.25 | End | my guild -needs- an officer alt rank I think |
| 22:15.36 | End | (all officer alts are just officers) |
| 22:15.38 | AnduinLothar | isn't there a mod that tracks alts? |
| 22:15.58 | Gryphen | only officers can invite in our guild, so we need the rank or nobody is ever on to invite |
| 22:16.03 | AnduinLothar | oh btw, more usefulness: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4274 |
| 22:16.13 | Gryphen | no usefulness allowed |
| 22:16.37 | AnduinLothar | poor Ziggytar |
| 22:16.48 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - mmm, nice |
| 22:16.57 | Kirov | and it has dependancies on sea! |
| 22:16.59 | Kirov | bonus |
| 22:17.02 | Mikk | optional |
| 22:17.09 | AnduinLothar | SeaHooks embedded |
| 22:17.16 | AnduinLothar | i think |
| 22:17.21 | AnduinLothar | i actually dont remember |
| 22:17.25 | AnduinLothar | has like 3 hooks |
| 22:17.34 | Gryphen | nothing in the zip |
| 22:17.45 | AnduinLothar | ah, prolly b4 SeaHooks time |
| 22:18.11 | AnduinLothar | hawt.. my 80's disco music just came on! |
| 22:18.14 | Kirov | There was one mod I saw that had some optional deps listed, and a bunch of comments about how the mod didn't work. The author replied "you need to use the dependancies", "then why are they listed as optional?", "Because it's your choice if you want the mod to work or not." |
| 22:18.25 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:18.28 | Shadowed | haha |
| 22:18.31 | Gryphen | lol |
| 22:18.41 | Mikk | gah |
| 22:19.16 | AnduinLothar | oo, i like the localization files in ChatIgnore |
| 22:19.17 | AnduinLothar | if ( GetLocale() == "frFR" ) then |
| 22:19.17 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 22:19.27 | AnduinLothar | if ( GetLocale() == "deDE" ) then |
| 22:19.27 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 22:19.37 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:19.42 | End | see! it has french and german localization! |
| 22:19.48 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:20.29 | AnduinLothar | funyn thing is it only has 2 strings.. i could prolly find "Remove" and "Ignore" in global strings |
| 22:20.57 | End | probably they are REMOVE and IGNORE or something like that :P |
| 22:20.58 | Gryphen | prolly |
| 22:20.59 | AnduinLothar | when did i write this crap.. |
| 22:21.05 | Mikk | AnduinLothar: ignorez / ignorieren. There ya go =) |
| 22:21.14 | Gryphen | told you, no usefulness allowed |
| 22:21.15 | AnduinLothar | 10-23-2005 |
| 22:21.37 | AnduinLothar | meh, over 6mo.. i dissown it |
| 22:21.42 | Kirov | I thought the german translation was "Shuttenzfukup" |
| 22:21.46 | AnduinLothar | LOL |
| 22:22.04 | AnduinLothar | damn, i should add that.. |
| 22:22.29 | AnduinLothar | and rename the mod STFU |
| 22:22.37 | Mikk | The whole problem is that the regular ignore list isn't big enough |
| 22:22.38 | Gryphen | think thats taken |
| 22:22.39 | Mikk | And isn't shared |
| 22:23.01 | AnduinLothar | there's a mod that fixes that too |
| 22:23.04 | Gryphen | friendsshare |
| 22:23.08 | AnduinLothar | someone wrote a shared ignore i know it |
| 22:23.19 | Gryphen | but it spams ever login as it adds friends/ignores |
| 22:23.20 | Mikk | One that handles > 49 entries plx |
| 22:23.33 | AnduinLothar | wonder if they were smart and hooked the normal functions |
| 22:23.48 | AnduinLothar | then it'd work with ChatIgnore still |
| 22:24.02 | Mikk | Oooooooohhhhh |
| 22:24.07 | Mikk | OOOOOOHHH! |
| 22:24.07 | AnduinLothar | so turn off the spam, duh |
| 22:24.13 | Gryphen | I want to link and chat-cache and layout-cache |
| 22:24.34 | AnduinLothar | friend-cache |
| 22:24.47 | Mikk | Yeah, a smart extender would just hook the standard APIs and hook ChatFrame_OnEvent() |
| 22:24.58 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 22:25.00 | AnduinLothar | why ChatFrame_OnEvent()? |
| 22:25.07 | AnduinLothar | oh |
| 22:25.08 | AnduinLothar | nm |
| 22:25.10 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 22:25.15 | AnduinLothar | to hide the spam |
| 22:25.17 | Mikk | ya |
| 22:25.27 | Mikk | I care less if people actually get "you are ignored" back |
| 22:25.28 | Kirov | With out the annoying "I'm ignoring you" thing |
| 22:25.29 | AnduinLothar | ~smack me |
| 22:25.32 | purl | ACTION smacks anduinlothar upside the head. |
| 22:25.50 | Kirov | I'd actually prefer it |
| 22:25.51 | Mikk | Crap. Now I want to write that. |
| 22:25.53 | AnduinLothar | I started spamming "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED" whispers in bwl yesterday |
| 22:26.23 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:26.24 | AnduinLothar | aye, love it when that makes my mod auto-target you |
| 22:27.00 | Mikk | Meh, now I have to write that ignore mod. |
| 22:27.07 | AnduinLothar | and i try to exorcise you but fail |
| 22:27.26 | AnduinLothar | this isn't genereal this is the lounge man |
| 22:27.28 | Kirov | For a little while I was using the item:0:0:0:0 hack to fake system messages in the correct color. |
| 22:27.33 | Gryphen | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1122 |
| 22:27.48 | Kirov | Only did it twice or so then stopped |
| 22:27.58 | AnduinLothar | This server is shutting down in: NOW! |
| 22:28.08 | Mikk | Gryphen: Doesn't support >49 ignores still |
| 22:28.18 | Gryphen | ya |
| 22:28.40 | AnduinLothar | DO EEEIT |
| 22:28.54 | Gryphen | AutoFriends looks neat |
| 22:29.10 | AnduinLothar | make it have optional khaos options and i'll make you a cosmos dev |
| 22:29.20 | Gryphen | yay for khaos opts! |
| 22:29.21 | Mikk | Why would it need khaos? o.O |
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| 22:29.26 | AnduinLothar | it wouldn't |
| 22:29.27 | Mikk | This is a zero-conf mod ffs =) |
| 22:29.34 | Mikk | zero-UI too |
| 22:29.40 | AnduinLothar | damn, he caught me |
| 22:29.47 | Gryphen | enable/disable :D |
| 22:29.50 | Gryphen | roflz |
| 22:29.51 | AnduinLothar | lolz |
| 22:29.53 | Mikk | argh =) |
| 22:30.06 | Kirov | Configurable "Fuck Off" auto-reply? |
| 22:30.07 | Gryphen | Requires Khaos to turn it on and off |
| 22:30.13 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:30.16 | AnduinLothar | actually |
| 22:30.23 | AnduinLothar | ChatScroll has that |
| 22:30.28 | AnduinLothar | else it's always on |
| 22:30.52 | Kirov | I have on/off flips for most of my mods, but I'm not really sure why. |
| 22:30.59 | AnduinLothar | not that anyone in their right mind would turn it off |
| 22:31.01 | Kirov | If you don't want it on ... don't load it |
| 22:31.05 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 22:31.28 | Gryphen | make it lod |
| 22:31.37 | AnduinLothar | that'ds be dumb |
| 22:32.07 | Gryphen | not for those who dont use it and dont use disabledaddons |
| 22:32.10 | Gryphen | heh |
| 22:32.21 | Kirov | that was actually one of my favorite things about some of Saien's development tools |
| 22:32.26 | Kirov | they were lod |
| 22:32.38 | AnduinLothar | should make fire lod |
| 22:32.49 | Kirov | "If you don't know how to load this, you probably shouldn't be using it. Consider it an entrance exam" |
| 22:33.02 | AnduinLothar | More useful: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4252 |
| 22:33.13 | AnduinLothar | course it's not as useful now that they have the window |
| 22:33.54 | AnduinLothar | but you can still see officer and player notes at the same time |
| 22:34.59 | AnduinLothar | ooo, now what will be really useful in 1.12 when i rewrite it to have no deps: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1957-professiontracker.html |
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| 22:36.22 | AnduinLothar | meh, still need to have some sort of list so you can list guild members by profession.. |
| 22:36.30 | AnduinLothar | and see who's online |
| 22:36.46 | AnduinLothar | and use the mod to request if they have a certain recipe |
| 22:37.01 | Gryphen | remote inspect :) |
| 22:37.10 | AnduinLothar | mmm, that too |
| 22:37.22 | AnduinLothar | actually, i could write remote inspect now.. |
| 22:37.30 | Gryphen | dooo eet |
| 22:37.30 | AnduinLothar | cept i'm going outa town for a week.. |
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| 22:37.35 | Mery | you could make it so that you can ask "who has the pattern for this" like "/getprofitem flarecore leggings" ---------- ok typing way too slow |
| 22:37.50 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 22:38.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm, remote inspect wont work with their textures tho |
| 22:39.02 | AnduinLothar | spose i could make it put all the items on your bod.. |
| 22:39.24 | AnduinLothar | wait.. |
| 22:39.31 | Thrae|Away | Ooo, I'd love to see my Night Elf naked! |
| 22:39.35 | AnduinLothar | the textures should work |
| 22:39.51 | AnduinLothar | cause you can get texture at any range |
| 22:39.58 | AnduinLothar | hawt |
| 22:40.03 | AnduinLothar | actually.. |
| 22:40.16 | AnduinLothar | I can prolly hook the stuff so that it works with superinspect |
| 22:40.30 | AnduinLothar | then i dont have to rewrite the gui |
| 22:40.52 | Kirov | or you could use my nifty neeto GetInboxItem() to get the item's id from the tooltip! |
| 22:40.56 | AnduinLothar | and hell super inspect REALLY needs and inspect option in the playerframe dropdown |
| 22:41.30 | AnduinLothar | what's that have to do with inspecting? |
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| 22:41.55 | Kirov | when you inspect someone, you could still link their items? |
| 22:42.00 | Mikk | Can someone explain the PURPOSE of GetSelectedIgnore() and SetSelectedIgnore() to me? |
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| 22:42.06 | Mikk | I know what they DO but ... |
| 22:43.48 | AnduinLothar | adding remote inspect to super inspect will be trivial in 1.12 |
| 22:44.22 | AnduinLothar | hardest part will be adding dropdown options everywhere |
| 22:44.34 | Gryphen | super-i is too much :( i dont like it, too much info |
| 22:44.40 | AnduinLothar | i love it |
| 22:44.55 | Mikma | i can't wait for iTunes remote :D |
| 22:45.19 | AnduinLothar | i cant wait for test serve rto go back up so i can TEST the itunes remote.. |
| 22:45.44 | AnduinLothar | think it's time to cook a steak |
| 22:45.46 | Kirov | remote inspect? |
| 22:45.58 | MoonWolf | night |
| 22:46.18 | AnduinLothar | use SendAddonMessage and "GUILD" to do it |
| 22:46.30 | AnduinLothar | course if you want to do random peeps you need to use a whisper lib |
| 22:46.36 | Mikma | what's the url for 1.12 code? someone pasted it yesterday or so |
| 22:46.46 | AnduinLothar | wdn |
| 22:46.59 | Mery | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 22:47.15 | Mikma | thanks |
| 22:47.55 | Kaso | RaidBossEmoteFrame ^_- |
| 22:48.13 | Kirov | wha wha? |
| 22:48.21 | Kaso | 0.12.0.5496\FrameXML\RaidWarning.xml |
| 22:48.40 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:48.44 | Kirov | I guess they're giving in |
| 22:48.53 | Shadowed | they could just restrict it |
| 22:49.05 | Mery | well they gave in the moment they made emotes zone wide |
| 22:49.11 | Mery | and not only 20 yards |
| 22:49.28 | Kirov | in 1.13 it'll be like "Badguy does bad thing! (next bad thing in 15-20 seconds)" |
| 22:49.46 | Shadowed | I'd imagine that also has something to do with the fact that a hutner would have to be at 20y to tranq and not 30 :p |
| 22:49.50 | Shadowed | s/hutner/hunter/ |
| 22:50.00 | Kirov | aye |
| 22:50.14 | Kirov | 20 yards from Magmadar == teh'suck |
| 22:50.38 | Mery | ya thats why the first boss mods came to life: MT got it and hunter read in raid chat |
| 22:50.44 | Gngsk | they're changing the range? |
| 22:50.48 | Gngsk | on tranq shot? |
| 22:50.54 | Mery | no |
| 22:51.35 | Mery | anyway if they don't _want_ us to know they just make it random |
| 22:52.35 | Shadowed | They have been for stuff anyway, like anub |
| 22:52.55 | Shadowed | Or they don't give you hints or make it hard to figure out when the fight starts, like C'Thun |
| 22:53.15 | Kirov | Or Twin Emps |
| 22:53.28 | Shadowed | twin emps can still be done by a timer pretty easly |
| 22:53.32 | Kirov | They shout audio when they're pulled, but no /yell or /emote |
| 22:53.35 | Shadowed | it's slightly random, but not much |
| 22:53.59 | Shadowed | most of the time you're not doing a lot of DPS during the pull until first teleport, so it's still pretty easy to sync off of |
| 22:54.19 | Kirov | OnUpdate targettarget or IsAffectingCombat gets used a lot, but is not so great |
| 22:54.57 | Shadowed | it was kind of funny, because there was one sure fire way to get a 100% accurate timer off of c'thun without requiring anyone to dos omething special |
| 22:55.52 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 22:55.58 | Shadowed | s/dos o/do s/ |
| 22:56.17 | Shadowed | Kirov: you can still get an accurate timer from c'thun without usng yells/say/ect |
| 22:56.32 | Kirov | from an event? |
| 22:57.00 | Shadowed | you always have to have somebody taking the first beam for it, it takes 2 seconds to cast the beam and he does it as soon as you aggro |
| 22:57.07 | Shadowed | first beam - 2 seconds = start time |
| 22:57.31 | Kirov | ah |
| 22:58.22 | Mery | those c'thun mods just use the start time right? |
| 22:58.39 | Mery | so if they made the things slightly random they would be off in a few turns? |
| 22:58.57 | Cide | some do, some don't |
| 22:59.00 | Shadowed | Pretty sure they all use the time that the person enters combat when it's CThun effecting it. |
| 22:59.07 | Cide | can sync by checking for first beam after dark glare |
| 22:59.18 | Shadowed | still less complicated to check first beam of the fight :p |
| 22:59.34 | Cide | yes, but you "can" do it. I didn't say it was easy |
| 22:59.36 | Kirov | Cide - http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1718-1-simpletranqshot.html check the latest comment there, is that true? |
| 23:00.15 | Cide | no |
| 23:00.25 | Kirov | good |
| 23:00.25 | Cide | if you have two people and one person leaves, the group is disbanded |
| 23:01.00 | Kirov | Even in a case of 3 people, if one leaves, the two remaining get set to raid1 and raid2 |
| 23:01.06 | Cide | yep |
| 23:03.14 | Kirov | oh, one more thing. "raid"..GetNumRaidMembers() == "player" |
| 23:03.23 | Kirov | I heard that once, never bothered to test it |
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| 23:05.10 | Shadowed | that just sounds silly |
| 23:05.16 | Mikk | player name and realm name are set on PEW, right? |
| 23:05.22 | Mikk | on PLAYER_LOGIN also? |
| 23:05.23 | AnduinLothar | onload |
| 23:05.28 | Mikk | oh |
| 23:06.34 | AnduinLothar | you can still ahve a raid full off offline people :) |
| 23:07.26 | AnduinLothar | and i dont think you're raid1 then |
| 23:07.41 | Mikk | you're wherever the RL placed you |
| 23:07.52 | Mikk | you can be the only person in a raid and be raid40 |
| 23:07.55 | Mikk | err no |
| 23:07.57 | Mikk | raid36 |
| 23:08.29 | Kirov | ? |
| 23:08.38 | Mikk | the only online person |
| 23:08.43 | Kirov | Even if someone is offline, it's still someone assigned to a raidid |
| 23:09.02 | Kirov | They might be offline, but it's not raid1 == nil |
| 23:09.24 | Mikk | raid1 CAN be nil in a raid though |
| 23:09.28 | Mikk | just don't put any people in group 1 |
| 23:09.41 | Wobin | bah |
| 23:09.45 | Wobin | Was someone asking for me? |
| 23:10.04 | Mikk | Depends. How long scrollback to you have? =P |
| 23:10.17 | Mikk | (if he says "long", everyone needs to start spamming the channel =)) |
| 23:10.18 | Wobin | not long enough, it seems |
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| 23:10.31 | Mery | no its always "raid1" to "raid"..GetNumRaidMembers() no matter where the players are placed can have all in group 2-8 and still raid1 exsists |
| 23:10.41 | Mikk | o |
| 23:10.47 | Kirov | Sub groups aren't determined by raidid |
| 23:10.47 | Mikk | my bad then >.< |
| 23:10.54 | Kirov | it's a GetRaidRosterInfo() return |
| 23:11.10 | Tem | raid1 is always the group leader |
| 23:11.21 | Tem | (except from the group leader's perspective) |
| 23:11.44 | Tem | raidX where X is the number of raid members is always the player |
| 23:11.54 | Kirov | aha! |
| 23:12.05 | Tem | UnitIsUnit("player","raid"..GetNumRaidMembers()) |
| 23:12.18 | Kirov | "raid"..GetNumRaidMembers() == "player" not crock |
| 23:12.43 | Mikk | assumption being the mother of all fuckups etc =) |
| 23:12.46 | Kirov | No, and I don't really care. |
| 23:12.49 | Tem | I've *never* seen the assertion I just posted fail |
| 23:12.53 | Kirov | "player" if I want the player |
| 23:13.05 | Tem | but, yes, I'd rather not assume |
| 23:13.13 | Mikk | I don't doubt that |
| 23:13.27 | Mikk | Stuff tends to change though =) |
| 23:17.55 | Mikk | Hmmmmm |
| 23:17.59 | Mikk | "IgnoreMore" or "IgMore"? |
| 23:18.41 | Kirov | ÜberIgnore |
| 23:18.55 | Kirov | (IgnoreMore) |
| 23:19.16 | Mikk | ÜberIgnore means weenies won't be able to search for it =P |
| 23:19.30 | Kirov | >:) |
| 23:19.45 | Mikk | granted, that, in and of itself, is not entirely a bad thing =) |
| 23:19.47 | Mery | use more letters the typical us user can't type like Übérìgnórè |
| 23:20.22 | Kirov | google and curse seem to be fairly good about ignoring accented characters |
| 23:21.48 | AnduinLothar | NoobIgnore |
| 23:22.01 | Mery | google yes, curse i dunno - google is cool though, if you just type "wow" they highligh (and search for) "world of warcraft" too |
| 23:22.06 | AnduinLothar | IgnoreMoreNoob |
| 23:22.13 | Mikk | oooooohhhhh |
| 23:22.14 | Mikk | idea |
| 23:22.20 | Kirov | Mery - yeah, I noticed that too |
| 23:22.24 | AnduinLothar | Lern2Ignore |
| 23:22.37 | Shadowed | trying to repel people not attract them |
| 23:22.38 | Mikk | autoignore people with too many messages in LFSpam without "LFM" or "LFG" somewhere in the text |
| 23:22.55 | AnduinLothar | bound to backfire |
| 23:23.05 | Mikk | just ignore it in LFSpam? |
| 23:23.09 | AnduinLothar | i cant hear my friend, what happened?> |
| 23:23.37 | Kirov | Look for people that repeat the exact same line more than 4 times in 4 seconds. |
| 23:23.39 | Shadowed | lolhaha |
| 23:23.45 | Shadowed | errr |
| 23:23.49 | Shadowed | s/lol// |
| 23:23.53 | Shadowed | damn bot :( |
| 23:24.06 | Mikk | ~botslap |
| 23:24.07 | purl | ACTION whimpers |
| 23:24.07 | Mery | well lfg is mostly a chat channel on my server so that won't help kirov |
| 23:24.19 | Cide | Kirov: you around? |
| 23:24.22 | Mikk | yeah, lfg is crap |
| 23:24.22 | Kirov | Nope |
| 23:24.29 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=417510&p=1&tmp=1#post417510 - you forgot to assign this.x and this.y |
| 23:24.36 | cogwheel | what is purl? |
| 23:24.48 | Kirov | oo! |
| 23:24.51 | Kirov | so i did |
| 23:24.59 | Tem | ok wow. the search box on CG is hot |
| 23:25.12 | Kirov | Tem - aye |
| 23:25.17 | Kirov | They did an awesome job |
| 23:26.00 | cladhaire | Anyone here use SciTE, specifically my distribution? |
| 23:26.22 | Industrial | anyone who read my question in #lua, help is appreciated. (there :P) |
| 23:26.46 | cladhaire | Industrial: What ? |
| 23:27.04 | Tain | I am cladhaire. Well slightly modified highlighting. |
| 23:27.17 | Tem | cladhaire, I copied your api.lua file |
| 23:27.28 | Industrial | Ill repeat it here |
| 23:27.34 | cladhaire | Tain: What did you change about your highlighting? |
| 23:27.37 | cladhaire | maybe i'll toss it in =) |
| 23:27.42 | Industrial | I am used to vim regex. I need to use patterns to change - gsub - a string. the string is '|Hplayer:<something>[<something>]<something><'says' or 'whispers' or 'yells'>:' . Hope Im making sense |
| 23:27.46 | Industrial | newstring = string.gsub(oldstring, '(|Hplayer:.-)%[(.-)%](.-):', '<%1%2>%3') |
| 23:27.53 | Industrial | the problem is that now i need to replace 'says' 'whispers' and 'yells' with nothing in the third atom. But this is part of a bigger string, not at the begninning and not at the end, and it might occur more times (and I only want to replace the first)) |
| 23:27.56 | Industrial | :] |
| 23:28.03 | Tain | I just don't like background colors on anything. |
| 23:28.23 | cladhaire | Tain: I agree.. =) |
| 23:28.25 | cladhaire | i just took defaults. |
| 23:28.43 | Mikk | POSSIBLY on comments, but rather not |
| 23:29.00 | cogwheel | clad: which one is yours? I use WoWSciTe Lua |
| 23:29.08 | cladhaire | cogwheel: that's mine |
| 23:29.13 | cogwheel | :) |
| 23:29.23 | Kirov | Cide - fix0red |
| 23:29.37 | cladhaire | Anyway, if you do, uninstall the current one, install this: http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/scite-wowi.zip (Setup.exe) and check it out. |
| 23:29.48 | cladhaire | should have some better things, including native win32 bitlib |
| 23:29.57 | cogwheel | kewl |
| 23:30.06 | cladhaire | which was kinda a beyatch |
| 23:30.44 | Mikk | ooo bitlib? |
| 23:30.59 | Mikk | can you make that available for download somewhere? |
| 23:31.04 | Kirov | er |
| 23:31.14 | Kirov | bitlib is in wow already |
| 23:31.16 | Shadowed | PTR ever go up btw? |
| 23:31.21 | Mikk | Kirov: But not in WoWBench |
| 23:31.29 | Kirov | ah |
| 23:32.11 | Mikk | or hm |
| 23:32.15 | AnduinLothar | mmm steak |
| 23:32.15 | Mikk | i only really need to distribute it |
| 23:32.30 | cladhaire | well, its compiled against a specific version of lua |
| 23:32.31 | Mikk | cladhaire: is bitlib a standalone lib there or have you embedded it? |
| 23:32.33 | cladhaire | but it _should_ work |
| 23:32.43 | cladhaire | gimme a sec to toss it up |
| 23:32.46 | Kirov | Industrial - so, you want to make it <>? |
| 23:32.53 | Mikk | i can just grab scite if it's standalone in there |
| 23:33.54 | Industrial | yes, without says/whispers/yells |
| 23:33.58 | cladhaire | Mikk: http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/ |
| 23:33.58 | Industrial | I already have it but its borked |
| 23:34.11 | Kirov | can you pastecode.com it? |
| 23:34.14 | Industrial | ~bork |
| 23:34.15 | Industrial | sure |
| 23:34.45 | ckknight | ~emulate swedish chef |
| 23:34.47 | purl | Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork! |
| 23:35.04 | Kirov | ~emulate swedish ckknight |
| 23:35.15 | Kirov | one can hope ... |
| 23:35.18 | ckknight | I'm no Swede |
| 23:35.38 | Industrial | http://pastebin.ca/92833 |
| 23:36.06 | Industrial | :) |
| 23:36.20 | Industrial | this works, but its not perfect |
| 23:36.23 | Industrial | :( |
| 23:36.30 | ckknight | Industrial, why %1[%1] and not %1[%2]? |
| 23:36.41 | cladhaire | Tain: Mind sending me your hoosa-ma-foosit? |
| 23:36.46 | cladhaire | your highliughting file? |
| 23:37.04 | Kirov | or %2[%2] |
| 23:37.07 | Industrial | ckknight, thats the player name, it occurs twice |
| 23:37.16 | Industrial | oops its wrong in the first one btw |
| 23:37.27 | ckknight | figured |
| 23:37.29 | Kirov | yeah, was just looking at that |
| 23:37.48 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.52 | Industrial | should be that |
| 23:38.29 | Industrial | the problem really just is that I cant use | as or with regex |
| 23:38.51 | AnduinLothar | why is that a problem? |
| 23:39.08 | ckknight | AL, because he can't make complex or statements. |
| 23:39.17 | AnduinLothar | oh with multiple chars |
| 23:39.20 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 23:40.03 | Mikk | str.find and manual work ftw |
| 23:40.10 | cladhaire | Mikk: Did you look at that and see if it works for you? |
| 23:40.21 | cladhaire | Mikk: specifically test with bit.band(4, 1) and bit.band() |
| 23:40.25 | cladhaire | the second should error |
| 23:40.32 | Industrial | Can I tell gsub to only do the first occurrence? |
| 23:40.40 | Industrial | that would solve it.. |
| 23:40.46 | Kirov | so, the actual string would like like |Hplayer:Kirov[Kirov]yell? |
| 23:40.56 | Industrial | well |
| 23:41.19 | Industrial | |Hplayer:Kirov[Kirov]<something_not_space>yells: |
| 23:41.40 | Industrial | it still spaces :P |
| 23:42.09 | Industrial | (I made this addon at 5am and im getting into it after two months, so i might be wrong) |
| 23:42.53 | Kirov | If you only want to do the first occurance, try |
| 23:42.53 | Kirov | string.gsub(text, pattern, replace, 1); |
| 23:43.40 | Mikk | cladhaire: erhm arf, what's the initfunc? |
| 23:43.49 | cladhaire | Mikk: luaopen_bit |
| 23:43.57 | cladhaire | Kirov is correct. |
| 23:44.04 | Mery | isn't a correct link something like "|Hplayer:Kirov|h[Kirov]|h yells:" |
| 23:45.29 | Industrial | Mery, really? where'd ya get that from? :) (not doubting just curious) |
| 23:45.45 | Industrial | lets try :> |
| 23:45.46 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 23:45.48 | Kirov | that would match the item link paradigm |
| 23:45.48 | Mery | well that was off my head |
| 23:46.17 | AnduinLothar | yes, that's the syntax, usually has color modifiers tho |
| 23:46.30 | Mery | ya you can put a color into that too |
| 23:46.42 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - for items, yes. For player links, no? |
| 23:47.01 | AnduinLothar | the color? |
| 23:47.01 | Mery | "|Hplayer:Kirov|h|cFF000000[Kirov]|r|h yells:" |
| 23:47.26 | AnduinLothar | color is the name of the chat tpy |
| 23:47.35 | Mikk | loadlib("bitlib.dll", "luaopen_bit")() <- GPF |
| 23:47.35 | Industrial | why the second |h ? |
| 23:47.37 | AnduinLothar | since it's not native to send a link over chat |
| 23:47.44 | Mery | to close the link |
| 23:47.47 | cladhaire | Mikk: You're GPFing? |
| 23:47.52 | Mikk | aye |
| 23:47.55 | cladhaire | then its a compiler issue. |
| 23:48.00 | Industrial | what link, doesnt.. ah i see k |
| 23:48.01 | Mikk | joy |
| 23:48.08 | Mikk | i suppose i could use your lua binaries |
| 23:48.09 | cladhaire | i can compile you lua and luac if you'd like. |
| 23:48.26 | Mery | the "player:Kirov" gets send to whatever "OnHyperlink" function |
| 23:48.29 | Mikk | can use the ones in the scite package i assume? |
| 23:48.34 | cladhaire | mine are currently 5.0.3 which is functionally equiv to 5.0.2 |
| 23:48.36 | Mery | and "[Kirov]" gets shown |
| 23:49.20 | Kirov | So, I guess the real question is ... Industrial - what is it you're intending these to be used for? |
| 23:49.27 | Tain | Anyone know offhand script command to open ticket window? |
| 23:49.34 | Tain | gm ticket of course |
| 23:49.49 | Industrial | Kirov, all my patebin does is what it does. it just changes the chat. |
| 23:49.50 | cladhaire | Mikk: Yeah, they're all compiled against/with each other. |
| 23:49.57 | Industrial | Kirov, I got one for channels too. |
| 23:49.59 | Kirov | NewGMTicket |
| 23:50.31 | Industrial | Kirov, 'hh:mm:ss g <player> message' is how my guild message looks :) |
| 23:51.43 | Mikk | cladhaire: You two test cases work now (perhaps not so unexpected =)) |
| 23:51.47 | Mikk | your* |
| 23:52.01 | Mikk | I'll just put these binaries up on SF i think |
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| 23:52.26 | cladhaire | If you want another version I can compile em tomorrow |
| 23:52.39 | Mikk | nah this is fine |
| 23:52.41 | Mikk | i was using 5.0.2 |
| 23:52.45 | Industrial | got it working, thanks for the help guys. |
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| 23:52.58 | Mikk | thanks =) |
| 23:53.24 | cladhaire | Mikk: Np, let me know if you want/need any other libs to make your cause easier |
| 23:53.27 | cladhaire | md5, sha, etc. |
| 23:53.54 | Mikk | Afaik bitlib was the only bit missing for WoW compatibility |
| 23:54.00 | Mikk | bit |
| 23:54.01 | Mikk | haha |
| 23:54.05 | Mikk | ~smack mikk |
| 23:54.07 | purl | ACTION smacks mikk upside the head. |
| 23:54.46 | cladhaire | I didn't mean for compat.. i meant tools to make you rjob easier. |
| 23:54.50 | cladhaire | packlib, etc. |
| 23:55.10 | Mikk | ah, right =) |
| 23:55.16 | AnduinLothar | oh btw kirov, I'm reading my guild frum and it looks like hunters are required to have STShot |
| 23:55.25 | Mikk | thanks for the offer. i'll ping you if i think of something then =) |
| 23:56.17 | cladhaire | k k |
| 23:56.33 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - :) |
| 23:57.07 | Kirov | It's exceptionally noob friendly atm |
| 23:57.17 | Kirov | Basically you install it, and you're done |
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| 23:57.29 | Kirov | I know a lot of people that don't even know there are options. |