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| 00:04.07 | Technetium | yawn |
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| 00:21.42 | beNson__ | you're so sexy |
| 00:22.19 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 00:22.31 | beNson__ | I get bored.. |
| 00:24.59 | beNson__ | I stillt think you're sexy though, in spite of my boredom. |
| 00:25.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:25.38 | beNson__ | See, right there, that's all I wanted! :P |
| 00:25.51 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:28.13 | Technetium | anybody happen to have a copy of the photoshop cs sdk? |
| 00:30.10 | beNson__ | there's a photoshop sdk? |
| 00:30.32 | Technetium | yes |
| 00:30.36 | beNson__ | seem's like every applications ships with a sdk nowadays oO |
| 00:30.46 | Technetium | it's for creating plugins |
| 00:31.24 | Gandraw | thanks a lot! |
| 00:31.34 | beNson__ | no problem? |
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| 00:51.10 | ckknight | Cide, hey dude, got a minute? |
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| 01:03.19 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 01:05.55 | Cide | ckknight: ya |
| 01:05.55 | Technetium | found it |
| 01:05.55 | ckknight | Cide, have you considered using ChatThrottleLib in CTRA? |
| 01:05.58 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 01:06.20 | AnduinLothar | have you rewritten the chat comm for 1.12 yet? |
| 01:06.22 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, Mikk told me you're using it in Sky or what have you, and that's great |
| 01:06.39 | AnduinLothar | nah, Sky's going bye bye |
| 01:06.46 | ckknight | Telepathy, then |
| 01:06.52 | Cide | ckknight: not really, no |
| 01:07.01 | ckknight | Cide, can I strongly recommend it to you? |
| 01:07.17 | ckknight | it'll help the overall good and likely not cause you any harm |
| 01:07.44 | Cide | I already implement throttling, how would it help the overall good? |
| 01:07.58 | AnduinLothar | did mikk make the modifications so that it takes into account any other chat msgs sent? |
| 01:08.02 | Mikk | yes |
| 01:08.12 | ckknight | yes |
| 01:08.26 | ckknight | Cide, because it'll be standard throttling across the board |
| 01:08.34 | ckknight | so that all the pipes are checked properly |
| 01:08.54 | AnduinLothar | only really benifit is not coding yourself and communicative prioreties |
| 01:09.07 | Cide | the code's in there already |
| 01:09.11 | Cide | so that benefit is void |
| 01:09.20 | ckknight | it's not to just benefit CTRA |
| 01:09.24 | AnduinLothar | ya, so the only benifit would be not shutting out other addons |
| 01:09.25 | Cide | and I get 'features' I don't need |
| 01:09.25 | ckknight | it's to benefit everything |
| 01:09.32 | Thrae | Modularized development is good. That way multiple people can work on a module that multiple addons use. |
| 01:09.44 | ckknight | frankly, by not doing it, I think it's horribly self-centered |
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| 01:09.56 | AnduinLothar | meh, less coding |
| 01:09.57 | cladhaire | heyas z |
| 01:09.59 | Thrae | It's the lifeblood of OOP. |
| 01:10.22 | ckknight | I thought the blood of children was, Thrae. |
| 01:10.26 | Hexarobee | doh |
| 01:10.28 | Cide | so you're saying that by coding it myself, having the code up and running, and then not wanting to do extra work by switching over, is self centered. doh! |
| 01:10.39 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:10.44 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i thinkt hat's what he said |
| 01:10.54 | AnduinLothar | do it my way or you're selfish |
| 01:11.05 | AnduinLothar | i think i've been accused of that too |
| 01:11.19 | ckknight | Cide, by not becoming standardized in a way so that everyone's pipes are nice and steady |
| 01:11.23 | AnduinLothar | but then i started it |
| 01:11.26 | ckknight | so that you don't steal too much or too little |
| 01:11.28 | cladhaire | my pipes are fine, personally. |
| 01:11.33 | cladhaire | i have them inspected monthly |
| 01:11.33 | Cide | it's only a standard when the majority is using it |
| 01:11.39 | Cide | and as far as I can see, it's not a standard right now |
| 01:11.40 | ckknight | you see, the internet is a series of tubes. |
| 01:11.41 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 01:11.43 | Cide | please tell me how that is standardizing |
| 01:12.01 | ckknight | standards don't have to be used by the majority |
| 01:12.01 | AnduinLothar | more like changing the standard |
| 01:12.04 | ckknight | look at ODF |
| 01:12.22 | AnduinLothar | since atm there isn't really any standard except sky which no one else uses |
| 01:12.51 | Cide | A specification for hardware or software that is either widely used and accepted (de facto) or is sanctioned by a standards organization (de jure). |
| 01:12.56 | ckknight | I'm not trying to push AceComm or Sky or Telepathy, just a standardized throttling |
| 01:13.04 | Cide | by that definition, I fail to see how it is a standard |
| 01:13.14 | AnduinLothar | w/e.. i cant even push standard hooking successfully |
| 01:13.29 | ckknight | Cide, do you need me to create a standards organization? |
| 01:13.32 | AnduinLothar | even when it allows for simpler debugging |
| 01:13.43 | Cide | not necessarily |
| 01:13.48 | AnduinLothar | need to bribe people |
| 01:14.23 | AnduinLothar | i'm sure i have a shiney bauble around here somewhere |
| 01:14.37 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I like shiney things! |
| 01:14.42 | ckknight | as do I |
| 01:14.47 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but i don't need to bribe you |
| 01:15.19 | Cide | and yes, I'm exaggerating |
| 01:15.29 | AnduinLothar | spose i could bribe clad to do norg's localizer stuff... but no one cept me seems to care about that either |
| 01:15.31 | Thrae | To create a standard that people actively use, you need to a) Convince people you know a hell of a lot more then they do on the subject and can do a better job handling it, b) Convince people your team won't disappear into vapors in the night, c) Create a well-documented API that makes sense to the average coder in your community, and d) Blowjobs. Lots and lots of blowjobs. |
| 01:16.01 | AnduinLothar | taht's what i'm missing.. D |
| 01:16.03 | ckknight | I think I can get Tekkub to handle (d) |
| 01:16.03 | cladhaire | What you'r etrying to do is convince the one person who has a standard, to change the standard. Cide adopting it makes it the standard =) |
| 01:16.05 | AnduinLothar | damn |
| 01:16.32 | AnduinLothar | uh oh clad, you're giving cide power by admitting it |
| 01:16.38 | Cide | hey |
| 01:16.42 | ckknight | we already know Cide has power. |
| 01:16.45 | Cide | more epeen to blow, amirite? |
| 01:16.50 | ckknight | he has his precious.... |
| 01:16.50 | cladhaire | I don't need to give him power.. |
| 01:17.07 | AnduinLothar | you dont need to give him MORE power anyway |
| 01:17.16 | Thrae | The average coder against dependencies and embedded libs are usually concerned about (b) |
| 01:17.20 | AnduinLothar | unless you're workign on flattery as the angle |
| 01:17.20 | [Wobin] | We'll get Tekkub in to ladle out the blowjobs |
| 01:17.34 | cladhaire | although, I must admit.. its nice to be the universal giver or power. |
| 01:17.45 | cladhaire | its like Manifest Clad-nity |
| 01:18.01 | AnduinLothar | no no, you earn power, but you cant use it until people admit that you have it |
| 01:18.21 | cladhaire | well, I have no power. I can just grant it as I see fit. |
| 01:18.24 | cladhaire | Its a hard life. |
| 01:18.25 | ckknight | power is given to those who can wield it |
| 01:18.45 | AnduinLothar | or want to weild it enough to decieve people into thinking they can weild it |
| 01:19.12 | ckknight | either works. |
| 01:19.43 | AnduinLothar | anyone interested in a standard way to get chat comm addon versions from users while i'm implementing it? |
| 01:19.57 | AnduinLothar | since i know cide already has a method |
| 01:20.01 | ckknight | with prefixes, is a standard needed? |
| 01:20.12 | ckknight | I think that should be on a per-library basis |
| 01:20.16 | AnduinLothar | sorry, not a standard |
| 01:20.17 | AnduinLothar | a lib |
| 01:20.32 | AnduinLothar | i dont do standard, i dont have enough power |
| 01:20.35 | ckknight | frankly, I don't see it necessary. *shrug* |
| 01:20.38 | AnduinLothar | i just make libs |
| 01:20.45 | Cide | similarly, why do you need 'standardized' throttling? |
| 01:21.02 | ckknight | Cide, so no one gets a specific advantage, really |
| 01:21.04 | Cide | if an addon sends too much data, I'm not the one to blame if I implement it myself |
| 01:21.08 | ckknight | I don't want AceComm to shut you out |
| 01:21.09 | AnduinLothar | you dont, unless someone has done better research than you |
| 01:21.11 | ckknight | or the other way around |
| 01:21.31 | ckknight | say you send a lot of data (not knowing we're sending a bunch) |
| 01:21.40 | ckknight | an we send a lot of data (not knowing you're sending a bunch) |
| 01:21.52 | ckknight | things break... |
| 01:21.56 | Cide | I'm not sending a lot of data, so there you go! |
| 01:22.09 | Mikk | Neither is most everyone else |
| 01:22.10 | Cide | the days of sending every health & mana update are past |
| 01:22.10 | AnduinLothar | main reason i'm using it is cause mikk did more thurough testing and using his i can send stuff faster than i was before |
| 01:22.22 | ckknight | and if maybe through some freak accident, you do send a large chunk |
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| 01:22.36 | cladhaire | Cide: But those days were glorious |
| 01:22.40 | Cide | then I have my throttler ready to pick it up! |
| 01:22.40 | Mikk | or maybe if some bastidh is riding on top of your APIs.... |
| 01:22.45 | Cide | indeed |
| 01:22.53 | ckknight | I'm using it cause I don't want to write throttling myself, and I like standardization |
| 01:23.07 | AnduinLothar | meh, i already had throttling |
| 01:23.11 | AnduinLothar | his was better |
| 01:23.14 | Cide | nobody crashed even while doing 40 man onyxia, sending every health & mana update (even .1% change) |
| 01:23.20 | AnduinLothar | and i didn't feel like duplicating work |
| 01:23.22 | Cide | MTs were sending for their targets, too |
| 01:23.43 | Mikk | and does your throttler round-robin between different communication paths so that big ugly chunk of data that someone shoved down your API doesn't stop CTRA's messages from flowing out for a very long time? |
| 01:23.47 | Mikk | ChatThrottleLib does |
| 01:23.48 | AnduinLothar | well you should at least check it out and compare it to your own |
| 01:23.57 | AnduinLothar | imo it's worth that |
| 01:24.05 | Cide | Mikk: no |
| 01:24.11 | Cide | and again, I don't need that functionality |
| 01:24.38 | Mikk | No, your code alone doesn't... |
| 01:24.45 | AnduinLothar | convincing people to use something they've never heard of or seen in action is kinda pointless |
| 01:25.06 | Cide | you're saying I should implement code to protect code authors from themselves, should they choose to use my code |
| 01:25.20 | Cide | instead, they can use your code, and I don't have to use your code since *I* don't need it. |
| 01:25.34 | AnduinLothar | you need some leverage lik... i tested ctra with ctl and it was super fast |
| 01:25.53 | Cide | 'fast' throttling is an interesting concept |
| 01:25.54 | AnduinLothar | or like.. i was able to remove 1000 lines of code |
| 01:26.08 | AnduinLothar | something convincing like that |
| 01:26.10 | Cide | and very easy to implement ;) |
| 01:26.13 | Mikk | All we're saying is that outbound bandiwdth is a limited resource and needs to be shared properly. Even if you're throttling yourself, you're not exactly sharing. |
| 01:26.41 | AnduinLothar | have you ever taught a kid to share/ |
| 01:26.42 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 01:26.46 | Mikk | ouch |
| 01:26.53 | AnduinLothar | you have to make sure they know they get something out of it |
| 01:26.54 | Cide | limited resource being enough to, again, send every single health & mana update for 2-4 people, then yes |
| 01:26.58 | cladhaire | i want ice cream |
| 01:27.02 | Cide | thanks for the analogy, AnduinLothar |
| 01:27.09 | AnduinLothar | i'll share your ice creme if you buy it |
| 01:27.20 | ckknight | Cide, if everyone sends a small amount, things still break. |
| 01:28.07 | ckknight | adding many small values gets a rather big value, possibly enough to D/C you, or minimally, slow your fps |
| 01:28.09 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: What kind do you want? |
| 01:28.28 | AnduinLothar | chocolate malted crunch |
| 01:28.38 | cladhaire | never had it.. any specific brand? |
| 01:28.47 | AnduinLothar | mm, nah not many places have it |
| 01:28.50 | cladhaire | if i want like hardcore ice cream i'll grab some ben and jerry's. |
| 01:28.58 | AnduinLothar | it has little malt crunchy balls in it |
| 01:29.07 | [Wobin] | Cairenn|walk's gone for ice cream =) |
| 01:29.13 | AnduinLothar | i have some fudge brownie b&j in the fridge |
| 01:29.14 | cladhaire | sounds really tasty |
| 01:29.18 | cladhaire | [Wobin]: O.o |
| 01:29.19 | Cairenn|walk | lol, good idea, but no |
| 01:29.28 | Cairenn|walk | later guys |
| 01:29.38 | cladhaire | bye Cairenn|walk |
| 01:29.42 | cladhaire | *hugs* |
| 01:30.56 | beNson__ | He's still enjoying his sex appeal.. |
| 01:31.06 | AnduinLothar | o.O |
| 01:31.18 | beNson__ | I get bored.. |
| 01:31.47 | AnduinLothar | yeah ok... this versioning is gonna go in a plugin lib |
| 01:31.56 | AnduinLothar | too active for Telepathy |
| 01:32.11 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Whats it gonna do? |
| 01:32.17 | Mikk | Sky-NG |
| 01:32.24 | Mikk | oh |
| 01:32.25 | Mikk | the other one |
| 01:32.25 | cladhaire | just ask clients for version response information? |
| 01:32.41 | AnduinLothar | basicly request all registered addons at the same time |
| 01:32.49 | cladhaire | oh.. hrm |
| 01:32.56 | AnduinLothar | so you have a list of who has what registered addons and their versions |
| 01:33.28 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:33.32 | AnduinLothar | mostly what meteorologist does now except without the display gui |
| 01:33.57 | cladhaire | very interesting.. i assume you'd only really want addons that use comm or something like that to register with it? |
| 01:34.04 | Cide | http://pastecode.com/2655 |
| 01:34.05 | cladhaire | like you dont need to know what my unit frames are, right? |
| 01:34.12 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 01:34.20 | beNson__ | Love is in the air.. |
| 01:35.48 | Cide | so. I can't see a flaw in that code |
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| 01:36.00 | Cide | but it's obvious there is one, because I keep getting members stacked on top of each other! |
| 01:36.49 | cladhaire | i hate frame stacking code =( |
| 01:36.55 | Cide | me too |
| 01:36.58 | Cide | somehow it doesn't clear .tail and .head |
| 01:37.04 | Cide | but I can't figure out where |
| 01:37.12 | Cide | or rather |
| 01:37.14 | ag` | OO stacking code wins the cake |
| 01:37.22 | Cide | on line 9 |
| 01:37.51 | Cide | frame.head.tail should always refer to frame |
| 01:37.54 | Cide | but it doesn't :P |
| 01:37.57 | Cide | (sometimes) |
| 01:38.34 | cladhaire | i'm considering writing a small "Capsule" library.. that just lets you make new groups, and then add frames to it. |
| 01:38.46 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 01:38.50 | cladhaire | so using perfectraid you could have a capsule with all warriors, then anothe with all healers, then another with everyone in your group. |
| 01:38.57 | cladhaire | but i think its too special purpose. |
| 01:39.00 | cladhaire | and the thought makes me cry |
| 01:39.11 | ag` | cladhaire: I kinda have that... |
| 01:39.25 | cladhaire | really? |
| 01:39.39 | ag` | my units will add themselves to whatever subgroup |
| 01:39.48 | cladhaire | but will it add duplicates? |
| 01:39.48 | ag` | the subgroup is an OO object that will sort itself |
| 01:39.52 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 01:41.18 | ag` | for example I can tell my druid/priest/paladin unit objects to create+join a healer group object |
| 01:41.47 | cladhaire | and if you also have a "my group" group, it'll create duplicates there too? |
| 01:42.07 | [Wobin] | at least with only 40 members |
| 01:42.10 | Thrae | When coding, always remember Proper Object Oriented Programming. POOP is a vital assest to any project. |
| 01:42.15 | [Wobin] | it shouldn't be too churny to scan/sort |
| 01:42.42 | ckknight | you have to apply POOP correctly, or in layman's terms, "fling" POOP |
| 01:42.49 | cladhaire | ag`: Where's the relevant code? |
| 01:43.05 | ag` | cladhaire: no duplicates though |
| 01:43.20 | ag` | I would have to add a way for frames to clone themselves |
| 01:43.25 | ag` | that would be tough work |
| 01:43.52 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 01:43.57 | cladhaire | i still am not sure where i'm headed |
| 01:44.01 | ag` | function aUF.classes.aUFunit.prototype:GroupingUpdate |
| 01:44.29 | cladhaire | i'm tempted to just LITERALLY change perfectraid to use ace so the chat handlers are consistent instead of using the pre-release versino of chatcmd i wrote.. and just let someone else keep working on it. |
| 01:44.34 | cladhaire | blegh |
| 01:44.53 | ag` | it's not Ace? |
| 01:45.06 | cladhaire | PR? |
| 01:45.06 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:45.09 | cladhaire | i dont ace my addons |
| 01:45.13 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:45.13 | ag` | didn't know=) |
| 01:45.24 | ckknight | AceChatCmd-2.0 was written for it |
| 01:45.32 | ckknight | then I and clad expanded it |
| 01:45.34 | Thrae | Yeah, cladhaire puts his own versions of Ace libs staticly into his own addons if needed |
| 01:45.43 | cladhaire | Thrae: Nah not even. |
| 01:45.55 | Thrae | cladhaire: AceHook.lua in WatchDog? |
| 01:45.57 | cladhaire | AceHook was in there from earlier, cause I wrote it, and its embedded. |
| 01:46.01 | cladhaire | its my code =) |
| 01:46.03 | cladhaire | not ace's :P |
| 01:46.11 | Thrae | Hence "your own version" ;) |
| 01:46.17 | ckknight | that later turned into AceHook-2.0, right? |
| 01:46.22 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Oh.. I rewrote my hook shit.. fixed a bunch of problems I ran into with keying. |
| 01:46.25 | AnduinLothar | cept he didn't fork it, he wrote it |
| 01:46.37 | AnduinLothar | was it broken? |
| 01:46.39 | cladhaire | ckknight: AceHook 2.0 is almost a direct copy of AceHook 1.3 |
| 01:46.45 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:46.56 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Yeah.. when hooking 5000 methods of different objects, it created a bunch of tables |
| 01:46.58 | ckknight | I want to move to your special/awesome version |
| 01:46.58 | cladhaire | i've resolved that. |
| 01:47.00 | AnduinLothar | 'keying' ? |
| 01:47.13 | [Wobin] | It's not like 'Ace' claims any sort of 'ownership' of code =P |
| 01:47.23 | cladhaire | Now I use some tricks to store less data |
| 01:47.36 | cladhaire | Got pretty nice improvement over the release versions of 1.3 and 2.0 |
| 01:47.37 | cladhaire | which was nice. |
| 01:49.06 | AnduinLothar | improvemnt? |
| 01:49.10 | AnduinLothar | of what? |
| 01:49.18 | cladhaire | speed and space |
| 01:49.19 | ckknight | speed and memory usage |
| 01:49.19 | AnduinLothar | data storage? |
| 01:49.25 | AnduinLothar | how's it faster? |
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| 01:49.37 | cladhaire | the way things are bound basically |
| 01:49.44 | cladhaire | less table lookups, etc. |
| 01:50.58 | AnduinLothar | ya. I was thinking about some way to register smaller hook functions in SeaHooks, but i couldn't think of a way to do it without destroying hooks on top |
| 01:52.16 | cladhaire | lemme see if i can dig it up |
| 01:53.52 | cladhaire | http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/AceHook/CladHook.lua |
| 01:53.55 | cladhaire | ignore the library registration at the top |
| 01:54.04 | AnduinLothar | like i can register an addon with less code specificly if there's only a 'before' hook and then replace it later if it's hooked with a diff type |
| 01:54.14 | AnduinLothar | but it breaks the hooks on top |
| 01:54.39 | AnduinLothar | only other way would be to add a little overhead and have an intermediary func |
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| 01:54.45 | cladhaire | ooh i already see a table lookup that i dont need |
| 01:54.46 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:55.12 | cladhaire | its tiny compared to the other versions i've written. |
| 01:55.45 | AnduinLothar | like function(...) hookTable[hookid](unpack(arg)) end |
| 01:55.59 | AnduinLothar | and then set hookTable[hookid] dynamicly |
| 01:56.07 | AnduinLothar | when you change hooks |
| 01:56.12 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:56.35 | Technetium | Adobe is so stupid |
| 01:57.39 | AnduinLothar | that way hookTable[hookid] only needs be a function that loops through the used tables |
| 01:57.59 | AnduinLothar | but i don't know if that'd actually be any faster |
| 01:58.07 | cladhaire | i doubt it somehow =( |
| 01:59.11 | AnduinLothar | yeah, spose it depends on how large the function overhead is |
| 02:00.27 | AnduinLothar | and it's never gonna be as efficient as your implementation because it controls the methods |
| 02:01.38 | AnduinLothar | which makes it simpler to use, but because of allowable complex hooks it adds more overhead then is usually necissary |
| 02:03.00 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 02:03.34 | cladhaire | i think we're going to provide self:CallHook(obj or "function"[, "method"]) again. |
| 02:03.50 | cladhaire | even tho it incurs the penalty of the function call |
| 02:04.14 | Mikk | Bwaha "Stallman is the Fidel Castro of the open source world" |
| 02:04.20 | ckknight | lol, it's so true. |
| 02:07.34 | Mikk | Humm.. wowwiki needs a category for some of the documents that's been put up there.... http://www.wowwiki.com/Addon_Comm_Throttling, http://www.wowwiki.com/Addon_Comm_Protocol |
| 02:07.36 | Mikk | etc |
| 02:08.07 | Mikk | something with "Writeups" in it? |
| 02:08.07 | ckknight | there's also a drunkenness one |
| 02:08.10 | Mikk | aye |
| 02:08.16 | ckknight | which I also had my hand in |
| 02:08.28 | ckknight | and a similar one is used in AceComm |
| 02:08.36 | ckknight | (except that it also encodes \000, |, and \n) |
| 02:08.53 | Mikk | should encode tab too |
| 02:09.07 | AnduinLothar | hmm, spose |
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| 02:09.18 | AnduinLothar | does it matter? |
| 02:09.19 | ckknight | Mikk, no need |
| 02:09.30 | ckknight | tab is only special as a prefix |
| 02:09.31 | AnduinLothar | normal chat allows tab |
| 02:09.38 | Mikk | i just recall slouken saying something along the lines of tab working for now but that you shouldn't rely on it? |
| 02:09.46 | AnduinLothar | only in prefixes |
| 02:09.47 | Mikk | anyway.... |
| 02:09.48 | ckknight | it can't be in the prefix, is all |
| 02:09.57 | Mikk | ("for now" was my point there, but nm..) |
| 02:09.57 | ckknight | and I check for that manually and prevent it |
| 02:10.29 | Mikk | I'm just used to design shit that needs to work for years and years in relatively rougher enviroments :-P |
| 02:10.43 | Mikk | Anyway.. Category name... |
| 02:11.13 | Mikk | "Category: Technical Writeups"? |
| 02:11.22 | Mikk | maybe a bit misleading... |
| 02:11.24 | cladhaire | hehe that's better than what i was comingup with =) |
| 02:11.32 | cladhaire | Documented Tidbits |
| 02:11.32 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:11.36 | Mikk | haha |
| 02:13.19 | Mikk | I'm almost tempted to ride on Jon Postel's old ideas and call them Requests For Comment |
| 02:15.32 | Mikk | Bah. I'll go with that. It worked for the Internet :-) |
| 02:17.40 | cladhaire | ~internet |
| 02:17.50 | purl | the internet is not something you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 02:23.08 | cladhaire | stop changing pages mikk |
| 02:23.11 | cladhaire | my email doesn't approve. |
| 02:26.01 | Kirov | Anyone know if there are any wow instant message type mods apart from ... wow instant messanger |
| 02:26.19 | AnduinLothar | not afaik |
| 02:26.58 | Cairenn|walk | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5162-WOW_MSN.html |
| 02:27.37 | Cide | I knew them chinese were up to something suspicious |
| 02:28.19 | Kirov | holy craptasm |
| 02:29.34 | Mikk | cladhaire: bah, you're using gmail. just use the Holy Search Button :-P |
| 02:29.56 | cladhaire | for what? |
| 02:44.10 | ckknight | woot, we have AceOO object persistence with AceDB! |
| 02:44.57 | ckknight | wrong channel |
| 02:45.08 | ckknight | (that was meant for #wowace) |
| 02:45.18 | Gryphon | hmm |
| 02:51.04 | Mikk | cladhaire: for wading through my edit spam of course :-) |
| 02:51.20 | AnduinLothar | well there. converting ArcanePartyBars to use Telepathy was cake... PartyQuests is proving to be a bitch.. sinc ei have to rewrite the versioning code |
| 02:51.46 | ckknight | Gryphon, hrm? |
| 02:51.54 | Kirov | Telepathy? |
| 02:51.56 | Kirov | that's the new sea? |
| 02:52.01 | Mikk | new sky |
| 02:52.12 | Kirov | erm, right |
| 02:52.55 | _Valgrind | *wakes up* Mikk, how about a section called "Whitepapers" for those? |
| 02:53.15 | ckknight | Kirov, direct competition for AceComm ;-) |
| 02:53.34 | _Valgrind | Might be a tiny bit missleading, but atleast it's a known concept. |
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| 03:09.51 | Mikk | Oargh. NOW you say that :-) |
| 03:11.03 | ckknight | say what? |
| 03:11.14 | Shadowed | Mikk: I take it you wern't able to fix the event page padding so it aligns completly to the left? |
| 03:11.27 | Shadowed | or is it suppose to padded to the right slightly |
| 03:12.49 | clad|sleep | night |
| 03:13.20 | ckknight | g'night, clad |
| 03:13.49 | Cairenn|walk | night clad|sleep |
| 03:14.06 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
| 03:14.10 | Cairenn | hey ckknight |
| 03:14.19 | ckknight | how's life? |
| 03:14.26 | Cairenn | it is, you? |
| 03:14.45 | ckknight | pretty much the same |
| 03:15.21 | ckknight | adding a bunch of assorted cool stuff to Ace2 |
| 03:15.32 | ckknight | so things are good, fulfilling |
| 03:15.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:17.25 | Mikk | Shadowed: The headers are supposed to be flush left. The text is supposed to be indented. |
| 03:18.16 | Mikk | Though I see now that IE is indenting it far too much |
| 03:20.21 | Mikk | Shadowed: That should dod it |
| 03:28.19 | Shadowed | looks fine |
| 03:28.26 | Shadowed | why change it in the first place though, just wondering |
| 03:28.58 | Mikk | Because I want to run a bot on the page and break out the events by category |
| 03:29.16 | Shadowed | ahh, that's why you added category info |
| 03:29.18 | Mikk | Like one page with all combat-related events on it... One page with all mail-related events on it... etc |
| 03:29.20 | Mikk | Yeah |
| 03:31.04 | Shadowed | not really major, but the category text will line wrap, and the description text doesn't seem to wrap soon enough for really long blocks |
| 03:31.18 | Mikk | Example? |
| 03:31.40 | Shadowed | in A |
| 03:32.03 | Shadowed | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/A ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED |
| 03:32.14 | Shadowed | IE7 on a 1680x1200 |
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| 03:34.03 | Shadowed | example of category wrapping would be ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED |
| 03:37.47 | Mikk | Now? |
| 03:38.34 | Shadowed | no difference, will check again in a few minutes (raid) |
| 03:38.50 | Mikk | *CRY* |
| 03:39.13 | Mikk | I thought IE6 was bad. IE7 seems to be two steps back again >.< |
| 03:40.00 | AnduinLothar | so um... channeling doesn't have an eding event? |
| 03:40.05 | AnduinLothar | ending* |
| 03:41.03 | AnduinLothar | oh nm |
| 03:41.18 | AnduinLothar | 1.10 |
| 03:46.26 | Corrodias | so... what? it doesn't? |
| 03:46.43 | AnduinLothar | it does |
| 03:46.46 | AnduinLothar | didn't used to |
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| 04:01.31 | AnduinLothar | mmk, got APB and telepathy working |
| 04:02.02 | AnduinLothar | telepathy even has usefuly documented function comments! |
| 04:07.11 | Guillotine | this can't be what it sounds like... |
| 04:08.12 | Kaelten | Guillotine: want can't be? |
| 04:08.37 | Mikk | heh |
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| 04:13.10 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, AceComm has wikified documentation http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceComm-2.0 and http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceComm-2.0_API_Documentation - frankly I find that more useful than inline documentation |
| 04:13.37 | AnduinLothar | of course. I just haven't gotten that far |
| 04:14.07 | ckknight | alright :-) |
| 04:14.15 | AnduinLothar | most of my addons have wiki docs |
| 04:15.51 | ckknight | oh, alright then |
| 04:15.52 | ckknight | good stuff. |
| 04:17.07 | AnduinLothar | all the Cosmos libs are documented ont he wiki |
| 04:18.06 | AnduinLothar | mmm, cept IsCasting i haven't gotten written yet |
| 04:18.19 | AnduinLothar | spose I'm ahead of myself |
| 04:18.35 | AnduinLothar | unlike mikk I don't actually enjoy the documentation all that much |
| 04:18.59 | AnduinLothar | mikk could do it tho... Hey mikk... |
| 04:20.08 | AnduinLothar | Cairenn, telepathy uploaded |
| 04:20.49 | Cairenn | approved |
| 04:20.57 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 04:21.01 | Cairenn | np :) |
| 04:21.06 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5219 |
| 04:21.29 | AnduinLothar | hmmm that formatting didn't liek my tabs |
| 04:52.44 | AnduinLothar | do we have a list of in-use addon prefixes for SendAddonMessage ? |
| 04:52.56 | AnduinLothar | on the wiki |
| 04:53.02 | Shadowed | nope |
| 04:53.07 | Shadowed | really, i don't see it being an issue |
| 04:53.08 | AnduinLothar | should make one |
| 04:53.13 | AnduinLothar | just in case |
| 04:59.59 | Kirov | Addon prefixes kind of follow the same kind of logic as global variables |
| 05:00.13 | AnduinLothar | cept they're better shorter |
| 05:00.39 | Shadowed | You can sum up your addon into a 3-4 char prefix |
| 05:02.07 | Cairenn | night sedatedChipmunk |
| 05:02.24 | Mikk | We should make a well-visible note that people should use their addon name / abbreviations |
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| 05:17.02 | Cairenn | You're sure, are you Thrae? :p |
| 05:20.36 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Telepathy |
| 05:21.23 | Corrodias | well, that's a very well-thought-out page. |
| 05:21.47 | AnduinLothar | standard layout |
| 05:22.00 | AnduinLothar | didn't take much thought this time around ;) |
| 05:22.16 | AnduinLothar | but thanks |
| 05:22.52 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, how do you hide whispers? |
| 05:22.58 | ckknight | I hide em by prefixing em with / |
| 05:23.13 | AnduinLothar | um, doesn't it say right there? |
| 05:23.14 | ckknight | (cause no user can whisper that to someone manually) |
| 05:23.34 | AnduinLothar | oic the wiki ate it |
| 05:23.35 | ckknight | I can't see it, sorry |
| 05:23.38 | Corrodias | the page said, for me, that there is no text |
| 05:23.48 | AnduinLothar | <T> |
| 05:23.59 | Corrodias | which is why i made the joke about how great it was :) |
| 05:24.16 | ckknight | <T>, 3 chars? |
| 05:24.39 | AnduinLothar | yeah, tho at this stage i could change it to anything.. justa global variable |
| 05:25.07 | ckknight | I personally, and you don't have to take my advice at all, think that / is better, as it's 1 char, and no user can whisper it at the start |
| 05:25.16 | ckknight | feel free to not take my advice. |
| 05:25.24 | Corrodias | feel free to send me moneys |
| 05:25.39 | AnduinLothar | well <T> is identafiaple as a tag in case it ever actually is visible |
| 05:25.46 | ckknight | well, / is visible |
| 05:25.50 | ckknight | you just can't manually type it |
| 05:25.58 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 05:26.04 | ckknight | cause you can't /w Anduin /monkeys |
| 05:26.04 | Corrodias | you can't whisper somebody like... /w bob /what |
| 05:26.07 | Corrodias | ? |
| 05:26.11 | ckknight | nope, you can't |
| 05:26.16 | AnduinLothar | not ina macro? |
| 05:26.21 | ckknight | nope. |
| 05:26.29 | Corrodias | that seems kind of strange... |
| 05:26.33 | ckknight | you can with SendChatMessage("/monkeys", "WHISPER", nil, "Anduin") |
| 05:26.38 | AnduinLothar | just gets parsed like a chat command |
| 05:26.41 | ckknight | but not through /w Anduin /monkeys |
| 05:27.59 | AnduinLothar | w/e works |
| 05:28.00 | ckknight | well, it's 1 character, it's visible, and it's untypeable, so I think it's perfect for me |
| 05:29.04 | Corrodias | seems wise |
| 05:29.15 | AnduinLothar | ok, well i think people regognize addon prefix tags as <text> so if they ever do get spammed they'll know immediately that it's from an addon, where as /might be overlooked |
| 05:29.43 | Corrodias | that could be a good point, although i don't have enough experience in addons sending messages to be sure |
| 05:29.52 | ckknight | well, it's gonna look odd anyway |
| 05:29.57 | AnduinLothar | ctra is the most noticible one |
| 05:30.03 | ckknight | to see /RPSAorsYW |
| 05:30.18 | ckknight | or however your messages look |
| 05:30.21 | AnduinLothar | ya mines a lil more human readable |
| 05:30.25 | ckknight | mine's not ;-) |
| 05:30.39 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.45 | AnduinLothar | msg |
| 05:31.32 | AnduinLothar | I'm not too worried about the length |
| 05:31.34 | ckknight | mine's /(prefix)\t(char(id)char(current)char(max))\t(data) |
| 05:31.37 | ckknight | ah |
| 05:31.42 | ckknight | mine's made to be as small as possible |
| 05:31.44 | AnduinLothar | SKy's length size was huge |
| 05:32.07 | AnduinLothar | like 30 characters |
| 05:32.29 | ckknight | do you use a prefix in your global/whispers? I do |
| 05:32.40 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 05:32.45 | ckknight | alright. |
| 05:32.52 | ckknight | how do you know which addon gets which message, then? |
| 05:33.08 | AnduinLothar | it sends the addon prefix |
| 05:33.17 | AnduinLothar | but not a 'global' prefix |
| 05:33.29 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.33 | ckknight | oh, okay |
| 05:33.34 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:33.34 | ckknight | same |
| 05:33.55 | AnduinLothar | -- Datagram Packaging -- |
| 05:33.56 | AnduinLothar | Message Size Components: |
| 05:33.56 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.56 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.56 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.56 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.56 | ckknight | my global chan has nothing special onto it, like / or <T> |
| 05:33.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.00 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.55 | ckknight | alright |
| 05:36.10 | AnduinLothar | how do i get wowwiki to let me but <T> in text.. |
| 05:36.12 | ckknight | mine uses a lot less human-readable forms, runs string.byte(x) on a lot of integers |
| 05:36.39 | AnduinLothar | i fund human readable drasticly easier to debug |
| 05:36.56 | AnduinLothar | esp when you're getting spammed and have to read the messages quickly |
| 05:37.44 | ckknight | unnecessary with my setup, I'd think |
| 05:37.52 | AnduinLothar | tho using string.byte would be useful for predictive lengths |
| 05:37.58 | ckknight | right |
| 05:38.03 | ckknight | that's how I do most of my serialization |
| 05:38.08 | AnduinLothar | but i just figure no one's gonna be sending anything over 99 messages logn anyway |
| 05:38.22 | ckknight | you have table serialization |
| 05:38.23 | AnduinLothar | and if they are they deserver to be shot |
| 05:38.46 | AnduinLothar | doesn't matter, a full quest log is less than 10 messages |
| 05:39.00 | ckknight | what about roleplaying information ;-) |
| 05:39.12 | AnduinLothar | if they're sending whole databases it should be in chunks anyway |
| 05:39.33 | ckknight | mine automatically splits up, and with ChatThrottleLib, sends it across |
| 05:39.33 | AnduinLothar | else you'll be waiting a century for it to deliver |
| 05:39.45 | AnduinLothar | duh.. mine does that too |
| 05:39.50 | ckknight | so what's the issue? |
| 05:40.05 | ckknight | I see no huge issue with sending across 500-byte messages |
| 05:40.12 | ckknight | if the author wants to, I say let him |
| 05:40.24 | AnduinLothar | and I say they're crazy |
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| 05:40.49 | Gandraw | besides youre taking away all the fun of fucking with addon data |
| 05:41.06 | Gandraw | like giving some priest +1 million damage on damagemeters |
| 05:41.39 | ckknight | lol, it would be horribly hard to send off a message like that manually with AceComm |
| 05:41.48 | ckknight | cause of the encoding/serialization/string.bytes |
| 05:42.03 | AnduinLothar | why fake it, just use the lib |
| 05:42.06 | Kirov | A friend of mine made his damage meters always show his dps as multiples of "1337" when it was synced |
| 05:42.17 | Corrodias | now if we can just combine you two |
| 05:43.00 | ckknight | Corrodias, I already wrote AceComm, though |
| 05:43.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 05:43.06 | ckknight | and it's highly efficient |
| 05:43.16 | Corrodias | -highly-, even |
| 05:43.17 | Corrodias | wow |
| 05:43.19 | Gandraw | you could just use the addons own functions to encode your fake messages |
| 05:43.28 | AnduinLothar | exactly |
| 05:43.29 | ckknight | and you can send absolutely any value(s) across |
| 05:43.31 | Gandraw | after all every function is public |
| 05:43.33 | Corrodias | i'm in a good mood :D |
| 05:43.51 | ckknight | Gandraw, you sure could |
| 05:44.07 | Corrodias | Last Login: February 1, 2006 6:58 PM PST |
| 05:44.09 | ckknight | Corrodias, hehe |
| 05:44.30 | ckknight | also, I got it so sending a serialized AceOO object is only 3 bytes more expensive than sending a flat table |
| 05:44.35 | ckknight | :-) |
| 05:44.41 | Corrodias | although according to the payment history, they charged me for the next month, too. maybe i didn't cancel it until after the pay date. |
| 05:45.35 | Corrodias | although i think i would have done it -some- time in the next, what, 10 days apparently |
| 05:45.49 | ckknight | hehe, AnduinLothar, I'm going to be your first download ;-) |
| 05:46.04 | AnduinLothar | enjoy |
| 05:46.59 | AnduinLothar | that was easier to write than i expected.. |
| 05:47.18 | AnduinLothar | prolly cause i didn't have to do any research |
| 05:47.21 | ckknight | wow, it's pretty big |
| 05:48.01 | AnduinLothar | it has a bunch of embeddeds |
| 05:48.19 | ckknight | yea, I can see |
| 05:48.23 | ckknight | all good by my book |
| 05:48.28 | AnduinLothar | I could probably take out Satellite, but i'd still need SeaHooks and SeaPrint |
| 05:48.51 | Corrodias | does that mean that it takes a lot of drive space and a lot of memory when loading, but then very little memory when loaded, because the newest version of the emebedded library among all the addons using it is the only one that stays loaded? |
| 05:49.14 | AnduinLothar | just drive space |
| 05:49.16 | Corrodias | i think that's what i read |
| 05:49.52 | AnduinLothar | when mine's read anyway id doesn't even read the code unless it's a newer version |
| 05:49.56 | AnduinLothar | well |
| 05:50.02 | Corrodias | i could have sworn i saw something just yesterday in which somebody remarked that an addon was taking a lot of memory while loading and someone else explained that it was because of an embedded library, and that the usage wasn't going to be as large after it finished loading |
| 05:50.07 | AnduinLothar | doesn't run the code anyway |
| 05:50.21 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, what if I want to send across \007 or \008, you dont seem to have a contingency plan for that... |
| 05:50.30 | ckknight | or \006 or \009 |
| 05:50.36 | AnduinLothar | and those characters are... |
| 05:50.38 | ckknight | unless I'm missing something... |
| 05:50.44 | AnduinLothar | "" afaik |
| 05:50.52 | AnduinLothar | not used for any visible text |
| 05:50.55 | ckknight | they're not human-readable |
| 05:51.02 | ckknight | but I may still want to send em across |
| 05:51.03 | AnduinLothar | oh you mean in the text |
| 05:51.10 | AnduinLothar | messages* |
| 05:51.19 | AnduinLothar | yeah, no one's ever wanted to |
| 05:51.20 | ckknight | also, ...hic! is only in English |
| 05:51.28 | ckknight | in German it's ...hick! or something |
| 05:51.33 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i don't have the localized versions |
| 05:51.53 | Corrodias | german is such a cool language |
| 05:52.15 | ckknight | tru dat. |
| 05:52.37 | AnduinLothar | i'm pretty sure that german is ..hic! |
| 05:52.38 | ckknight | Ich weisse Deutsch fuer drei Jahre in Schule |
| 05:52.50 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, nah, I know it's different somehow |
| 05:52.56 | ckknight | any way, koKR and zhCN are also fucked for you |
| 05:53.03 | AnduinLothar | at least the global strings don't have anythign but english for it |
| 05:53.03 | Corrodias | time to pay Blizzard some money |
| 05:53.21 | Wobin | HEXENMEISTER |
| 05:53.29 | Corrodias | LEIDERHOSEN |
| 05:53.43 | ckknight | Hexenmeister ist sehr pwnful |
| 05:56.11 | AnduinLothar | and i see ctra only has " ...hic!" |
| 05:57.31 | ckknight | doesn't mean it's not wrong ;-) |
| 05:58.19 | AnduinLothar | well you dont sound too possitive |
| 05:58.22 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:58.35 | Wobin | anyone have the chinese characters for the word they use for warlock? |
| 05:58.40 | Wobin | or where I could find it? |
| 05:58.47 | Cairenn | the blizz site? |
| 05:58.51 | ckknight | Babble-Class |
| 05:58.54 | Wobin | ta |
| 06:00.00 | ckknight | SLURRED_SPEECH = "%s...hicks!"; -- Used for drunken mumbles |
| 06:00.56 | Wobin | bah |
| 06:00.57 | AnduinLothar | O.o that's not in the copy of GlobalStrings i have.. |
| 06:01.12 | Wobin | I had a link to the unicode->character |
| 06:01.16 | Wobin | but can't find it now |
| 06:01.51 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, it means that you shouldn't rely on just " ...hic!" |
| 06:02.09 | AnduinLothar | well i can parse SLURRED_SPEECH just fine, but i didn't knwo i needed too |
| 06:02.10 | ckknight | you either have to have a failsafe or have each translation |
| 06:02.33 | AnduinLothar | since the global strings i have dont have that line... |
| 06:02.44 | ckknight | it was added in 1.11 |
| 06:02.58 | AnduinLothar | ah ok |
| 06:03.21 | AnduinLothar | legorol must not have updated our german and french globalstrings files then |
| 06:04.14 | ckknight | okay, I've read Telepathy |
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| 06:05.51 | Tem | Anyone ever used Fraps? |
| 06:06.04 | Cairenn | tried, didn't like it, used GameCam instead |
| 06:06.13 | Shadowed | yeah i use it |
| 06:10.19 | ckknight | some of your for loops are needlessly inefficient |
| 06:10.33 | ckknight | i.e. you should use ipairs instead of pairs |
| 06:10.48 | Kirov | I've never understood the difference |
| 06:11.30 | ckknight | ipairs is for numerically-indexed tables |
| 06:11.35 | Corrodias | i ddon't eeven know what pairs are |
| 06:11.43 | ckknight | e.g. { 'alpha', 'bravo', 'charlie' } |
| 06:11.49 | ckknight | that's numerically indexed 1-2-3 |
| 06:11.51 | ckknight | you'd use ipairs |
| 06:11.59 | ckknight | { alpha = true, bravo = true, charlie = true } |
| 06:12.08 | ckknight | that's non-numerically indexed, you'd use pairs |
| 06:12.24 | ckknight | also, for those who don't know, these two statements are equivalent |
| 06:12.32 | ckknight | for k,v in t do ... end |
| 06:12.37 | ckknight | fo k,v in pairs(t) do ... end |
| 06:12.50 | ckknight | first is deprecated and icky, though |
| 06:12.58 | ckknight | second is more appropriate |
| 06:13.16 | Corrodias | whoa. i totally don't get it. |
| 06:13.20 | ckknight | also, it's technically equivalent to |
| 06:13.22 | Kirov | I'm still not sure I see why you'd use either, if k,v in t do works fine |
| 06:13.25 | ckknight | for k,v in next, t, nil do ... end |
| 06:13.39 | ckknight | Kirov, because the lua community says not to? |
| 06:13.57 | Kirov | mkay |
| 06:13.58 | Kirov | why |
| 06:14.04 | ckknight | and you can explicitly know when to use pairs vs. ipairs vs. a custom iterator |
| 06:14.38 | ckknight | Kirov, because for k,v in t do ... end _actually_ translates to for k,v in next, t, nil do ... end |
| 06:14.48 | ckknight | but it's unclear of the transition |
| 06:15.10 | ckknight | since pairs(t) == next, t, nil, it's much clearer, explicit, and proper |
| 06:15.33 | Shadowed | Anyone remember that site that lists all the abilites that mobs have that you can teach to hunter pets? |
| 06:15.48 | ckknight | good intentions guild |
| 06:15.52 | Kirov | http://www.goodintentionsguild.info/hunters.html |
| 06:15.58 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 06:17.14 | AnduinLothar | ck, feel free to add in ipairs and pairs and send the lua file back |
| 06:17.27 | Kirov | lol |
| 06:17.47 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, sorry, I'm just reading |
| 06:17.48 | Kirov | Acelepithy |
| 06:17.53 | AnduinLothar | i already implimented de-localized SLURRED_SPEECH |
| 06:17.59 | ckknight | great |
| 06:18.03 | ckknight | how'd you accomplish it? |
| 06:18.08 | AnduinLothar | magicly |
| 06:18.11 | ckknight | my way was to tag \176 on the end |
| 06:18.15 | AnduinLothar | same way i do all de-localization |
| 06:18.29 | AnduinLothar | Telepathy.SLURRED_SPEECH = string.gsub(SLURRED_SPEECH, "%%s", "(.*)", 1); |
| 06:18.29 | ckknight | then strip it and everything else off |
| 06:18.37 | AnduinLothar | message = string.gsub(message, Telepathy.SLURRED_SPEECH, "%1"); |
| 06:18.39 | ckknight | hat works. |
| 06:18.44 | ckknight | that* |
| 06:19.24 | AnduinLothar | i could |
| 06:19.49 | AnduinLothar | cept Telepathy.SLURRED_SPEECH is defined when the addon is loaded |
| 06:19.58 | AnduinLothar | so it'd eb an addon local |
| 06:20.25 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:20.32 | AnduinLothar | same way Telepathy.OBJECT_TAG and Telepathy.WHISPER_TAG are |
| 06:20.39 | ckknight | it's not local, though, it's part of the namespace |
| 06:20.48 | AnduinLothar | right, i could make it local |
| 06:21.00 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:21.10 | AnduinLothar | provided i dont think anyone will ever need it |
| 06:21.16 | Wobin | grump =( Anyone know of a good unicode /1234 to chinese character web converter? |
| 06:22.15 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, line 383: local number, name GetChannelName(Telepathy.GLOBAL_CHANNEL); |
| 06:22.27 | AnduinLothar | what about it? |
| 06:22.28 | ckknight | possibly missing an equals sign |
| 06:23.00 | AnduinLothar | yup it is.. odd that didn't derror before |
| 06:23.10 | ckknight | not really |
| 06:23.11 | Kirov | Well, it's not incorrect syntax, |
| 06:23.13 | AnduinLothar | musta accidentally deleted it after testing |
| 06:23.14 | Kirov | it's just ugly |
| 06:23.16 | ckknight | since it's correct syntax |
| 06:23.26 | AnduinLothar | ya but i used the function |
| 06:23.36 | Wobin | well it'd run |
| 06:23.40 | Wobin | it just wouldn't set anything |
| 06:23.49 | Cairenn | Wobin: if you take out the word "good" in your request: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ :p |
| 06:24.00 | Wobin | it's equivalent to local number, name |
| 06:24.01 | Wobin | GetChannelName(Telepathy.GLOBAL_CHANNEL); |
| 06:24.17 | Wobin | Cairenn: hehe, I didn't know it converts the slashcodes =) |
| 06:24.22 | Wobin | I just need the characters =) |
| 06:24.25 | Cairenn | I've no idea :p |
| 06:24.44 | Cairenn | I was being a smartass |
| 06:24.54 | Mikk | wobin: are you feeding it lua escapes? |
| 06:24.58 | Wobin | yeah |
| 06:25.00 | Mikk | that's just not going to work out right |
| 06:25.06 | Wobin | in that I have the lua escapes, and want the characters |
| 06:25.17 | ckknight | pop open a lua interpreter |
| 06:25.19 | ckknight | and print em |
| 06:25.26 | Mikk | then copy&paste that |
| 06:25.49 | Mikk | you might have to tweak your browser into using utf-8 first |
| 06:26.53 | Corrodias | "This account is active and can be used for playing." |
| 06:27.00 | ckknight | oh, btw, AnduinLothar, your ...hic! truncater is flawed if you send over 247 characters |
| 06:27.15 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 06:27.30 | AnduinLothar | oh is it onyl parsing the msg |
| 06:27.35 | AnduinLothar | and not the datagrams |
| 06:27.37 | ckknight | if you send 250 characters, you get >>> ...hi |
| 06:27.52 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, didn't know that |
| 06:27.57 | ckknight | the way WoW works |
| 06:28.03 | ckknight | I did a _lot_ of testing |
| 06:28.58 | ckknight | slightly surprised you haven't... |
| 06:29.19 | AnduinLothar | i leave that for my hired QA |
| 06:29.52 | ckknight | you can't design it appropriately beforehard? |
| 06:29.55 | ckknight | beforehand* |
| 06:30.00 | Kameril | you guys are hella amusing to watch, this is better than wow, just thought i'd share |
| 06:30.01 | ckknight | that was a bad typo. |
| 06:30.06 | ckknight | lol |
| 06:30.17 | AnduinLothar | design, you do design? I just throw things together till they work. |
| 06:30.20 | ckknight | lol, Kameril |
| 06:30.42 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, I like to plot things out on paper, write out algorithms, search through textbooks |
| 06:30.44 | ckknight | etc. |
| 06:30.45 | Cairenn|sleep | it's better when they aren't sniping at each other, imo, but meh |
| 06:31.13 | Cairenn|sleep | what do I know, I'm just the token female :p |
| 06:31.17 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 06:31.21 | ckknight | e.g. now I know the IEEE double standard |
| 06:31.25 | ckknight | mantissa and all that |
| 06:31.33 | ckknight | I serialize my doubles that way |
| 06:31.47 | ckknight | by double standard, I mean the floating-point double-precision standard |
| 06:32.12 | AnduinLothar | i'm happy for you |
| 06:32.24 | AnduinLothar | glad someone likes doing that kidna thing |
| 06:32.36 | ckknight | math is fun ;-) |
| 06:32.40 | sedatedChipmunk | here I thought female programmers got less bits allocated for their integers |
| 06:33.05 | ckknight | especially since it's more efficient than doing tonumber(string.sub(value, a,b)) ;-) |
| 06:33.31 | sedatedChipmunk | ow! |
| 06:33.36 | ckknight | andmore accurate |
| 06:33.42 | Cairenn|sleep | hush you, I'm sleeping, stop making me awake :p |
| 06:33.46 | sedatedChipmunk | it's the silicon ceiling! I didn't invent it |
| 06:33.48 | AnduinLothar | no, I much prefer coming up with nifty ideas and having other people implement them. unfortumently no one does what i say unless i pay them.. |
| 06:33.50 | Shadowed | "me awake"? |
| 06:33.51 | sedatedChipmunk | I just perpetuate it |
| 06:33.51 | ckknight | hehe, Cairenn only gets 7 bits allocated |
| 06:33.58 | Cairenn|sleep | >< |
| 06:34.09 | ckknight | we get all 8, baby. |
| 06:34.22 | Cairenn|sleep | okay, you guys can abuse me more tomorrow, I really am going to sleep now :p |
| 06:34.27 | sedatedChipmunk | sure you are |
| 06:34.32 | sedatedChipmunk | weak female |
| 06:34.33 | ckknight | cya, Cair |
| 06:34.57 | Shadowed | night cair |
| 06:37.07 | ckknight | I prefer to have nifty ideas, fully understand them, and implement em |
| 06:37.16 | ckknight | seems to work out, and I don't have to pay anyone |
| 06:37.30 | AnduinLothar | i have too many ideas to fully understand most of them |
| 06:37.38 | Wobin | what format -is- the lua encoded characters? |
| 06:37.44 | Shadowed | I don't believe in planning |
| 06:37.51 | Shadowed | I'd rather just start typing and see what i have in an hour |
| 06:38.32 | sedatedChipmunk | this really explains all of the junk that ends up on addon sites =\ |
| 06:38.34 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, example? |
| 06:38.41 | ckknight | Wobin, UTF-8 |
| 06:38.43 | Wobin | ta |
| 06:38.59 | AnduinLothar | of what, my ideas? |
| 06:39.06 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:39.43 | AnduinLothar | well 30 of them are addons and there's at least that many unimplimented sitting in a text file on mydesktop |
| 06:40.40 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:40.51 | AnduinLothar | does ipairs stop at the first nil #? |
| 06:40.55 | ckknight | yes. |
| 06:41.04 | ckknight | even if n is higher |
| 06:41.52 | AnduinLothar | hmm oops, for got to remove from partialMessages |
| 06:43.08 | sedatedChipmunk | AnduinLothar: what mods HAVE you written? I've never seen your name in any that I've downloaded |
| 06:44.30 | ckknight | my next "idea" on my to do list is rock-paper-scissors ;-) |
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| 06:44.56 | ckknight | basically, it'll just be a test addon for AceComm :-P |
| 06:46.12 | AnduinLothar | i just converted APB to Telepathy for my test |
| 06:46.16 | AnduinLothar | need to do PQ |
| 06:46.27 | AnduinLothar | but i have to write my verioning lib first |
| 06:46.32 | AnduinLothar | versioning* |
| 06:46.40 | ckknight | versioning lib? |
| 06:47.02 | AnduinLothar | http://pastebin.ca/118118 |
| 06:47.22 | AnduinLothar | oh oops, Telepathy's on wowi, not curse |
| 06:48.29 | ckknight | what do you mean by a versioning lib? |
| 06:48.32 | ckknight | like AceLibrary? |
| 06:48.52 | AnduinLothar | no, addon versioning across chat comm |
| 06:48.58 | ckknight | ah, okay. |
| 06:49.13 | AnduinLothar | maintaining a list of what people have what mods and what version they have |
| 06:49.48 | ckknight | I don't use a single addon by you, apparently |
| 06:50.04 | AnduinLothar | there's a lot of adodns out there |
| 06:50.53 | AnduinLothar | and it's hard to have perfect mods when you maintain so many |
| 06:50.55 | ckknight | of the list you posted |
| 06:51.11 | ckknight | FuBar seems alright to me |
| 06:51.28 | AnduinLothar | fubar is new |
| 06:52.09 | AnduinLothar | my addons get better as i go along |
| 06:52.25 | AnduinLothar | i maintain most of them, but dont really have time to active make super cool features |
| 06:52.49 | AnduinLothar | there's a lot i'd love to do with Archaeologist that just isn't onthe top of my priorety list |
| 06:52.55 | ckknight | what does FuBar newness have to do with it? |
| 06:53.10 | ckknight | s/FuBar/FuBar's/ |
| 06:53.16 | AnduinLothar | it's easier to maintain newer source code |
| 06:53.37 | AnduinLothar | Sky's been completely rewritten 4 times now |
| 06:53.46 | ckknight | I've rewritten FuBar's internals 3 times now |
| 06:53.53 | AnduinLothar | Sea's had structural changes throughout |
| 06:54.18 | ckknight | and now it's highly modularized with heavy abstraction (which is a good thing) |
| 06:54.47 | AnduinLothar | why are you being so agressive |
| 06:54.50 | ckknight | and uses proper object-orientation, which makes it hella easy to maintain now |
| 06:56.09 | ckknight | because I honestly don't think you're a good coder |
| 06:56.19 | AnduinLothar | did i ever say i was? |
| 06:57.32 | ckknight | you imply it |
| 06:57.54 | Wobin | Ck is trying to help you write your code better |
| 06:57.57 | AnduinLothar | well good, now i don't have to try to impress you any more |
| 06:58.02 | Wobin | which you've complained before about not having happen |
| 06:58.42 | AnduinLothar | i appreciate the coverage, i dont appreciate the hostility |
| 06:59.02 | ckknight | and the reason I refuse to use your work is because it's not up to the level I'm accustomed to. That's why I wrote AceComm and why I wouldn't use Sky |
| 06:59.21 | ckknight | because yes, although Sky was available, upon reading it, I could see horrible flaws (mostly efficiency-wise) |
| 06:59.56 | ckknight | maybe I'm over-the-top about it, but I want the best, and you didn't seem to provide it |
| 07:00.06 | AnduinLothar | well i didn't write all of sky, i just maintained it if that helps any. it was crapy code to begin with |
| 07:00.33 | ckknight | I read Telepathy and the same feelings came up |
| 07:01.03 | ckknight | and I've been pointing out a few errors to you |
| 07:01.10 | AnduinLothar | good, i'm glad you've confirmed your suspitions of superiority |
| 07:01.14 | ckknight | but it's by no means all of them (and surely there are ones I don't see) |
| 07:01.51 | ckknight | suspicions |
| 07:02.09 | AnduinLothar | good, correct my spelling too |
| 07:02.09 | ckknight | I don't want to think of myself as superior |
| 07:02.22 | AnduinLothar | yes, yes you do |
| 07:02.22 | ckknight | I wish we were on equal playing fields |
| 07:03.20 | Wobin | AL: You've appeared to make it abundantly clear you do not wish for any help |
| 07:03.27 | AnduinLothar | ha |
| 07:03.41 | Wobin | by redirecting the discussion to be about superiority |
| 07:03.45 | Wobin | which it isn't about |
| 07:03.49 | Wobin | it's about writing better code |
| 07:03.52 | Wobin | and better coding practices |
| 07:04.09 | Wobin | Okay, yes, CK can come across somewhat abruptly |
| 07:04.13 | ckknight | and paying attention to memory churn |
| 07:04.16 | Wobin | but you stonewall his every suggestion |
| 07:04.36 | Wobin | It's not about 'being better' it's about improving what you already have |
| 07:04.54 | Wobin | you need to learn how to take advice |
| 07:04.57 | AnduinLothar | i made aguments to his sugegstions, and still implimented something similar |
| 07:05.02 | Wobin | or how to deal with people with a grain of salt |
| 07:05.18 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, then why make arguments at all? |
| 07:05.35 | AnduinLothar | because i don't believe you point blank |
| 07:05.49 | AnduinLothar | and would much rather argue the point till i believe it |
| 07:05.52 | Wobin | All you've said so far is that "I didn't write the original code, and I have no time to right proper code, therefore I will continue to hack on top of the current code with no intention of doing it better" |
| 07:06.15 | AnduinLothar | ... cept i just rewrote it from scratch.. |
| 07:06.19 | Wobin | While what we're trying to convey is that in the long run, it would be better if it was written from a better basre |
| 07:06.51 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, and despite rewriting it from scratch, there are many issues with it. |
| 07:06.57 | Wobin | And then you say "Oh, why don't you just improve on Sky/Cosmos, and we'd all be happy" |
| 07:07.31 | Wobin | We offer suggestions that we -know- are more efficient, and you say "I've already written it. That's the best it'll ever be." |
| 07:07.48 | Wobin | We obviously can't improve on perfection |
| 07:08.18 | Kirov | So, about them yankees! |
| 07:08.58 | ckknight | case-in-point: When we were discussing the standard Comm protocol, you always seemed to butt in with "Oh, Sky can do that", "Just use Sky", "Sky's available", etc. |
| 07:09.55 | AnduinLothar | ok here... how bout instead of giving me a list on unspecific things that are wrong with my style and code you make some modifications and send me the fine and i'll diff the files and see what you changed and then ask you if i have any questions |
| 07:09.55 | ckknight | also, you basically implied that Sky was bad because you didn't write it, so you wrote Telepathy. Why is it _still_ bad? |
| 07:10.28 | Wobin | Didn't you rewrite it from scratch? |
| 07:10.34 | AnduinLothar | see i'm not seeing how it's 'bad' |
| 07:10.51 | ckknight | http://www.lua.org/pil |
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| 07:11.23 | ckknight | hey Nightdew |
| 07:11.37 | Nightdew | hi |
| 07:11.45 | Gryphen | heya |
| 07:12.19 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, why with the abhorrent refusal of OOP yesterday? |
| 07:12.26 | ckknight | that makes no sense to me |
| 07:12.42 | ckknight | and you need to not use ... in WoW, since the memory churn has issues |
| 07:12.48 | ckknight | use a1,a2,a3, etc., a20 |
| 07:13.08 | AnduinLothar | what..? |
| 07:13.09 | ckknight | and, your Sea.string.split thing in Telepathy wasn't needed, gfind would've been better |
| 07:13.14 | ckknight | lemme think... |
| 07:13.22 | AnduinLothar | i dont see any ... |
| 07:13.49 | ckknight | local users = Sea.string.split(msg, ","); |
| 07:14.04 | AnduinLothar | oh in the FCFDropDown_LoadChannels_hook |
| 07:14.11 | AnduinLothar | i just copied blizz's code |
| 07:14.19 | AnduinLothar | and added a couple lines |
| 07:14.21 | ckknight | I'm pretty sure Bliz doesn't use Sea. |
| 07:14.30 | ckknight | also, Bliz is not always right |
| 07:14.34 | ckknight | hate to break it to you |
| 07:14.39 | sedatedChipmunk | Bliz is frequently wrong |
| 07:14.40 | AnduinLothar | ok liek i said |
| 07:14.45 | ckknight | but some of their UI stuff is downright bad |
| 07:14.47 | AnduinLothar | modify it and send it to me |
| 07:14.51 | ckknight | I'm telling you now. |
| 07:14.57 | AnduinLothar | i'm nto reading |
| 07:14.58 | ckknight | I'm not going to edit your damn file |
| 07:15.08 | ckknight | I will not do work for you |
| 07:15.10 | AnduinLothar | then dont tell me what's wrong with it |
| 07:15.21 | ckknight | WTF IS YOUR GODDAMN PROBLEM. |
| 07:15.32 | ckknight | I'm offering you help. |
| 07:15.40 | AnduinLothar | if you edit the code you will have had a hand in it |
| 07:15.41 | ckknight | yet you are refusing it. |
| 07:15.51 | AnduinLothar | but you dont want that |
| 07:16.02 | Kyahx | Give a man a fish... |
| 07:16.04 | Kyahx | :P |
| 07:16.21 | ckknight | I think this little part of the conversation clarifies _all_ my thoughts about you. |
| 07:16.22 | Kyahx | hehe |
| 07:16.38 | AnduinLothar | you already had a complete picture of me |
| 07:16.40 | ckknight | "fix all my code and send it back to me while you're at it, plz" |
| 07:16.59 | ckknight | _maybe_ I'd rather you learn the right way yourself |
| 07:17.03 | ckknight | rather than do the work for you |
| 07:17.07 | AnduinLothar | i don't learn from being corrected half as well as i learn from example |
| 07:17.25 | ckknight | if you want to learn from example, my code is all available on SVN |
| 07:17.30 | ckknight | feel free to read it. |
| 07:17.40 | ckknight | I won't edit your code with your structure |
| 07:17.56 | AnduinLothar | and i cant stand to look at yours half the time |
| 07:18.35 | ckknight | why's that? |
| 07:18.41 | ckknight | I'm perfectly willing to hear your advice |
| 07:18.50 | AnduinLothar | because it's harder for me to understand |
| 07:19.15 | chuckg | Over OOP-afied. |
| 07:19.18 | ckknight | and now we're back to the inferiority complex |
| 07:19.40 | chuckg | Sometimes it's nice to get back to straight up functions and C without the double plus. |
| 07:19.55 | ckknight | oh, I hate C++ |
| 07:19.55 | chuckg | I think that's what he means! |
| 07:19.59 | ckknight | C is so much cleaner. |
| 07:20.23 | chuckg | I have to agree with him in some context, as far as reading the ace stuff. |
| 07:20.24 | ckknight | but my favorite languages (outside of lua) are C# and Python |
| 07:20.30 | chuckg | C#? |
| 07:20.32 | chuckg | :| |
| 07:20.34 | ckknight | chuckg, old ace stuff or recent ace stuff? |
| 07:20.38 | chuckg | Recent. |
| 07:20.43 | chuckg | The old stuff was straight forward. |
| 07:21.05 | chuckg | I mean it's not stuff that can't be figured out, just takes some real time to break it down. |
| 07:21.10 | Kyahx | eh, I'm the other way around. Non-ace stuff is a mess to me, but Ace makes perfect sense |
| 07:21.26 | ckknight | Ace is a platform, not a product ;-) |
| 07:21.33 | Kyahx | well, Im just saying :P |
| 07:21.36 | Kyahx | compare oRA to CTRA |
| 07:21.46 | Kirov | CTRA _is_ a mess |
| 07:21.54 | Kyahx | hehe |
| 07:21.54 | Nightdew | For someone who started out coding recently in lua, Ace2 is great heh, really simplifies starting up |
| 07:22.00 | Kirov | It's somewhat of an unfair example |
| 07:22.06 | chuckg | A good example is hooking. |
| 07:22.11 | chuckg | I don't understand the complexities of a library. |
| 07:22.20 | chuckg | NewFunction = Old_Function |
| 07:22.28 | ckknight | compared to self:Hook("GlobalFunc") |
| 07:22.32 | Kirov | CTRA is 2 years of work constantly being appended and upgraded and bug fixed in peicemeal. |
| 07:22.34 | chuckg | Old_Function = MORE_Old_Function |
| 07:22.37 | chuckg | Done. |
| 07:22.42 | chuckg | Don't need a library to do that. |
| 07:22.49 | ckknight | chuckg, what if you want to unhook? |
| 07:22.52 | sedatedChipmunk | self.hook("OldFunction", ["newfunction"]) |
| 07:23.02 | chuckg | Old_Function = MORE_Old_Function |
| 07:23.08 | chuckg | NewFunction = nil; |
| 07:23.08 | chuckg | Done. |
| 07:23.12 | sedatedChipmunk | if there's a self.OldFunction, newFunction isn't even needed |
| 07:23.21 | chuckg | That's like 5 lines. |
| 07:23.26 | chuckg | Instead of 20k of code. |
| 07:23.32 | ckknight | in many cases, chuckg, that can be easier. :Hook is available to you as well, and it's much more powerful. |
| 07:23.33 | sedatedChipmunk | it's 1 line |
| 07:24.01 | ckknight | chuckg, also, what about hooking scripts or methods? |
| 07:24.11 | ckknight | AceHook isn't just for global functions |
| 07:24.54 | Wobin | grararar. It's so hard to convert from utf to chinese =( |
| 07:25.10 | Wobin | well lua escaped utf to chinese =( |
| 07:25.16 | ckknight | hehe |
| 07:25.48 | sedatedChipmunk | chuckg: hooking is the one thing I've found that gets a zillion times easier with Ace; even moreso w/ Ace2 |
| 07:26.21 | ckknight | also, clad's working on an improved version of AceHook, which is simpler, faster, and more efficient |
| 07:26.22 | sedatedChipmunk | it totally confoozled and fraidified me before |
| 07:27.11 | Corrodias | sure. JUST because i'm 3 versions behind, i have to download a 450mb patch |
| 07:27.19 | sedatedChipmunk | now I actually understand the normal way, and it just looks so hack by comparison |
| 07:27.20 | Kyahx | :P |
| 07:27.38 | ckknight | Corrodias, lol. |
| 07:27.53 | sedatedChipmunk | Corrodias: for what? Cosmos? |
| 07:28.01 | Kyahx | lol |
| 07:28.03 | Corrodias | no, WoW |
| 07:28.11 | Corrodias | although i see the joke there |
| 07:28.24 | ckknight | lol. |
| 07:28.43 | Corrodias | but no, i don't use cosmos, although i do have to keep up with it to get a few libraries out of it. :) |
| 07:28.45 | ckknight | also, how do you properly unhook a function, say, if you're done with it or you're putting your addon on standby? |
| 07:29.08 | ckknight | Corrodias, libs such as? |
| 07:29.09 | Corrodias | and once again i have to shake my head at blizzard's bad coding of their updater program |
| 07:29.12 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 07:29.15 | ckknight | yea... |
| 07:29.33 | Kyahx | You can probley find the patches on other sites |
| 07:29.43 | Kyahx | and it'll be alot faster :P |
| 07:29.47 | Corrodias | i suppose everything but khaos is probably available outside of chaos itself, but the most up-to-date versions of things like earth and chronos are expected to be in there |
| 07:30.05 | Corrodias | good idea, Kyahx |
| 07:30.11 | Kyahx | Corrodias: What do you use that still use earth and chronos? o.O |
| 07:30.59 | ckknight | Mikk, instead of doing if (true) then ... end, use do ... end |
| 07:31.01 | ckknight | :-) |
| 07:31.21 | Kirov | Someday I'm going to make a mod that uses both Cosmos and Ace libraries |
| 07:31.38 | Kirov | I'll call it RedundantRedundancy |
| 07:31.53 | ckknight | straight from the Redundant Office of Redundancy |
| 07:32.00 | Corrodias | i dunno |
| 07:32.06 | Corrodias | i have them, so i must be using SOMETHING that uses them... |
| 07:32.29 | Corrodias | let me use inforapid to see what depends on them |
| 07:32.52 | sedatedChipmunk | anyways, my work here is finished; back to bed |
| 07:32.55 | sedatedChipmunk | night froods |
| 07:33.03 | ckknight | g'night, chip |
| 07:34.14 | chuckg | ck: not knocking Ace or it's libraries. |
| 07:34.26 | chuckg | Just highlighting that I think a lot of people _do_ get blinded by the whole library thing. |
| 07:34.30 | chuckg | And take it to extremes. |
| 07:34.30 | Corrodias | charactersviewer appears to have an optional dependency on earth. >_> |
| 07:35.04 | ckknight | chuckg, typically, you don't need to read the libraries |
| 07:35.12 | ckknight | they're all documented anyway |
| 07:35.21 | Wobin | nor do you have to use them =P |
| 07:35.32 | ckknight | there's that, too, hehe |
| 07:36.12 | ckknight | either way, using Ace's libraries is probably more efficient/faster, with faster coding time than doing it all yourself. (though not necessarily) |
| 07:36.15 | Corrodias | wardrobe-la -might- use chronos. i think sky seems to, as well. although i don't know if anything uses sky. |
| 07:36.31 | Kyahx | people still use wardrobe? |
| 07:36.35 | ckknight | I mean, I don't want to make my own frame to handle events or OnUpdates |
| 07:36.42 | Kyahx | I thought ItemRack was winner =/ |
| 07:36.43 | Corrodias | everybody used wardrobe when i quit, 6 months ago |
| 07:37.01 | Kyahx | ItemRack is pretty nice :P |
| 07:37.02 | Corrodias | i looked at itemrack's description but it seemed to me that i'd have to write event-driven scripts to make it work. am i mistaken? |
| 07:37.08 | Kyahx | nah |
| 07:37.15 | Corrodias | or at least define an event for each outfit |
| 07:37.19 | Kyahx | if you want fancyness yes |
| 07:37.24 | Kyahx | changeing outfits is just click-click |
| 07:37.29 | Kyahx | nice little minimap button and all |
| 07:37.50 | Kyahx | what does charectersviewer even do? |
| 07:38.35 | Corrodias | i believe it lets you see all the items on and held by your other characters in the graphical fasion, like your inventory |
| 07:38.43 | Corrodias | and their stats and such |
| 07:38.53 | Wobin | sort of a character page for your other characters |
| 07:38.59 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 07:39.05 | Kyahx | hmmm, sounds useless IMO =/ |
| 07:39.10 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 07:39.16 | Wobin | if you're buying stuff for your alts |
| 07:39.20 | Wobin | it may come in handy |
| 07:39.41 | Corrodias | and it's better than logging out just to check what your other dude's health is when someone asks |
| 07:39.59 | Wobin | does your characterscreen show health? |
| 07:40.50 | Corrodias | i believe charactersviewer's screen shows various stats including that. i'm not sure. |
| 07:40.55 | Corrodias | i haven't seen it in 6 months |
| 07:41.33 | Kyahx | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4043-CharactersViewer.html |
| 07:41.44 | Kyahx | looks like it hasnt been updated in that long either :P |
| 07:41.55 | Corrodias | thus, i can only hope it still works |
| 07:42.00 | Kyahx | allthou Earth and the works is an optional dep |
| 07:42.04 | Kyahx | you should be able to ditch it |
| 07:42.56 | Kyahx | opps, looks like he stoped updateing WoWInterfece |
| 07:42.57 | Kyahx | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=918 |
| 07:43.10 | Kyahx | updated July 6th, still acvite apparently |
| 07:44.26 | Corrodias | yeah, looking at my files, i see i did pick that version up yesterday. i guess it ought to work, then. :D |
| 07:45.18 | Corrodias | i am concerned about some others, though: prowler, shardcount, smartpet, tipbuddy... |
| 07:45.56 | Mikk | you don't need shardcount any more |
| 07:46.07 | Wobin | no? |
| 07:46.11 | Mikk | just get a shard bag. it displays the count =) |
| 07:46.15 | Wobin | ah |
| 07:46.18 | Wobin | .. it does? |
| 07:46.19 | Mikk | (and lets you carry more shards too =)) |
| 07:46.27 | Corrodias | hm. okay. |
| 07:46.40 | Mikk | tipbuddy... bueach... |
| 07:46.54 | Corrodias | one of my addons comes with an .xml file outside its addons directory. where does that go? i've forgotten. >:/ |
| 07:47.07 | ckknight | um |
| 07:47.09 | ckknight | open it up? |
| 07:47.09 | Mikk | inside the addon directory i hope |
| 07:47.28 | Kyahx | FrameXML? Delete it and find a new mod :P |
| 07:47.45 | Mikk | what's the name of the xml file? |
| 07:48.07 | Corrodias | oh, it appears to be a description of some sort. completely unnecessary, i believe. |
| 07:48.15 | Mikk | o.O |
| 07:48.19 | Corrodias | bizarre. |
| 07:48.23 | Mikk | maybe it's for one of those auto updater programs |
| 07:48.34 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 07:48.43 | Corrodias | what? auto updatesr? |
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| 07:49.02 | Mikk | there's a few window programs that can automagically upgrade your addons for you |
| 07:49.04 | Kyahx | eh, there are a few but I don't think any really caught on |
| 07:49.06 | ckknight | like svn up on cron? |
| 07:49.15 | Mikk | svn > * =) |
| 07:49.19 | Kyahx | indeed |
| 07:49.30 | Kyahx | Corrodias, did you just come back to WoW? |
| 07:49.33 | Corrodias | yes |
| 07:49.43 | Kyahx | I'd reccodmend trashing your entire UI folder and search fresh :P |
| 07:49.49 | Corrodias | last i played was, like, just before 1.09. |
| 07:50.25 | Corrodias | i have updated almost everything. there are only a few addons that are still there that weren't updated at all, such as that old jero's altcast |
| 07:50.56 | Kyahx | *shrug* there are just probley a lot of newer alternatives for stuff that you used to have |
| 07:51.20 | Kyahx | Minimalist for isntance -> tons of tiny tweaks |
| 07:51.26 | Corrodias | i've heard of a few. but it's difficult to determine what is new |
| 07:52.23 | Corrodias | i'm afraid i'm having trouble finding this "minimalist" |
| 07:52.30 | Kyahx | its on WoWInterface |
| 07:52.43 | Kyahx | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5001 |
| 07:52.47 | DoomGaze3 | how do I find out if a unitID is in the same zone as me? |
| 07:53.08 | Kirov | erm |
| 07:53.28 | Kirov | if it's in your party / raid you can find out by checking raidroster / parsing he tooltip |
| 07:53.39 | Kirov | otherwise, not sure |
| 07:54.33 | Corrodias | "Fixed Inspect in Context Menus"? |
| 07:54.58 | Kyahx | that'll break next patch :P |
| 07:55.15 | Kyahx | you could isnpect people as long as you could see them, regaurdless of distance |
| 07:55.26 | Kirov | technically that's broken now |
| 07:55.29 | Corrodias | oh, as in superinspect (i tossed that one out for that very reason) |
| 07:55.37 | Kyahx | yep, |
| 07:56.52 | Corrodias | whoa, somebody says here, "Could you add a mod that hides 'joined / left channel' messages?". does this mean that WoW informs you whenever anyone joins the General channel? |
| 07:56.59 | Kyahx | no |
| 07:57.02 | Kyahx | jsut in custom channels |
| 07:57.12 | Kyahx | and the person is dumb, you can disable it yourself :P |
| 07:58.24 | Corrodias | what do these three things mean? "Reputation Displayed like Reputation Mod; Improved Minimap; Skip Flightmaster Gossip and Dismount" |
| 07:59.40 | Kyahx | Auto-dismount at flightmasters, Mousewheel-Zoomable minimap, showing numerical reputations without havieng to mouse-over" |
| 08:00.39 | Corrodias | hmm. i sense that i have something that already zooms with the scrollwheel, but i can't remember what it may be |
| 08:00.54 | Mikk | chat windows perhaps |
| 08:01.02 | Mikk | and the entire world view maybe? =) |
| 08:01.15 | Corrodias | no, no, i mean an addon that also performs that function |
| 08:02.04 | Kyahx | thats my point :P there are smaller alternatives to alot of the stuff that was "popular" 6 months ago :P |
| 08:02.12 | ckknight | Corrodias, omg, bord mod? |
| 08:02.20 | ckknight | s/bord/borg/ |
| 08:02.20 | Kyahx | BORG! |
| 08:03.05 | Kyahx | I'd almost be scared to ask for a list of the mods your useing :P |
| 08:03.06 | Corrodias | heh.. er, no, i have no borg infestation |
| 08:03.26 | Wobin | Skip Flightmastergossip and dismount probably means it autodismounts and takes you directly to the flightmap on clicking |
| 08:03.32 | Kyahx | I know compared to what I had 6 months ago is terrible compared to what I have now |
| 08:03.32 | Corrodias | what about BasicExperienceBar? i recall i helped the author figure out how to disable the default experience bar without framexml |
| 08:03.55 | Kyahx | Whats that for? a mobile XP bar? |
| 08:03.57 | Wobin | MainXPBar:Hide()? |
| 08:04.06 | Corrodias | there were issues. |
| 08:04.10 | Corrodias | it wasn't that simple. |
| 08:04.32 | Corrodias | and yes, Kyahx, a movable experience bar with many different options for putting text on it |
| 08:05.46 | Corrodias | and anchoring to other frames in case of the ui rescaling, i rember that part |
| 08:06.07 | Kyahx | *shrug* I use Bongos, that has a XP bar modual in it. |
| 08:07.29 | Wobin | I liked Bongo's 'behind the characterbar' xp bar |
| 08:07.29 | Kyahx | or the FuXP plguin for FuBar. But I don't think those have the plethora of options like kills to level, and time to level, and number of orcs it would take to farm the lumber for a zeplin tower and all that junk :P |
| 08:07.36 | Kyahx | yea |
| 08:07.42 | Wobin | FuXP is barebones =P |
| 08:07.46 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4396 is another option |
| 08:07.54 | Corrodias | ah, i don't want to screw with my action bars like that |
| 08:07.58 | Kyahx | I thought you were going to sleep Cairenn? |
| 08:08.00 | Kyahx | :P |
| 08:08.02 | Wobin | Although I might addin the multiple xp/rep bar |
| 08:08.10 | Cairenn|sleep | I tried >< |
| 08:08.16 | Kyahx | meh, FuXP is barebones, and tahts why I like it |
| 08:09.54 | ckknight | Cairenn|sleep, you're supposed to be asleep. |
| 08:10.01 | DoomGaze3 | still here kirov? do you remember what the name of that tooltip is? |
| 08:10.03 | Cairenn|sleep | tell me about it |
| 08:10.09 | Corrodias | seahooks, i don't know if anything uses that any more. i don't remember what it -is-. |
| 08:10.22 | Kyahx | bad? |
| 08:10.47 | Corrodias | could be a function hooking library |
| 08:10.51 | Kyahx | It is :P |
| 08:10.56 | Kyahx | but now we're back to 30 minutes ago |
| 08:10.59 | Kyahx | lol |
| 08:11.14 | Shadowed | insomnia again cair? |
| 08:11.22 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:11.30 | Cairenn | 3rd night out of the last 4 |
| 08:11.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Industrial (n=tom@hellsblade.xs4all.nl) |
| 08:11.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.39 | Corrodias | if you'd like a list, i can quickly make one up and give it to you |
| 08:11.47 | DoomGaze3 | does anyone know what the name of the party member tooltip frame is? I'm looking thru here but not finding it |
| 08:12.09 | ckknight | Corrodias, t's a hooking library |
| 08:12.09 | Corrodias | a list of what i currently have // i haven't tested any of it yet, so i don't know what works and what doesn't, though. |
| 08:12.31 | ckknight | needless to say, I prefer AceHook :-P |
| 08:12.44 | Kyahx | eh, sure. I'd love to play crtique for a bit :P |
| 08:12.53 | Kyahx | I dont know how to spell critique either |
| 08:13.14 | Shadowed | Havn't had a chance to look at any of the hooking mods, but what do they do that makes it worth using? |
| 08:13.25 | Corrodias | jeez, i think i've already used 100gb of my other drive >:/ |
| 08:13.47 | Kyahx | It just makes hooking easier to manage |
| 08:13.50 | Corrodias | http://corrodias.no-ip.org:6928/pub/list.txt |
| 08:14.09 | Kyahx | thats basically all ace is, makes codeing easier. |
| 08:14.36 | Kyahx | Corrodias: Lootlink -> Ludwig |
| 08:14.40 | Corrodias | assume the removal of wardobe pending approval of itemrack |
| 08:14.53 | Kyahx | Lootlink takes up *tons* of memory when you start to get a big database |
| 08:15.07 | Shadowed | Never saw the reason behind using Lootlink |
| 08:15.11 | Corrodias | does ludwig let you see the stats of items that the server hasn't seen yet? |
| 08:15.19 | Corrodias | Shadowed: wayback, it was the only option, right? |
| 08:15.30 | Kyahx | No, becuase linking those items causes disconnects now |
| 08:15.33 | Shadowed | How many times do you actually *use* lootlink |
| 08:15.38 | Kyahx | and Ludwig just scans what your client has seen |
| 08:15.44 | Corrodias | i wasn't talking about linking them. i was talking about seeing their tooltips. |
| 08:15.47 | Kyahx | no need to keep a database when one is already there :P |
| 08:15.52 | Shadowed | really most of the time you could just alt tab out and search |
| 08:15.59 | Kyahx | *shrug* thats what thottbot is for |
| 08:16.04 | Kyahx | or wowhead |
| 08:16.07 | Kyahx | or allakhazam |
| 08:17.32 | Kyahx | isn't BidSafely built into the UI now? |
| 08:17.37 | Kyahx | adds a confimation when bidding on AH crap? |
| 08:17.44 | Shadowed | Cairenn: for what it matters, char specific keybindings are stored in WTF/Account/<Realm>/<Char>/bindings-cache.wtf |
| 08:18.28 | Cairenn | Shadowed: in reference to? |
| 08:18.36 | Shadowed | Mods FAQ |
| 08:18.46 | Shadowed | "How Do I..." |
| 08:19.05 | Cairenn | looking for the specific spot |
| 08:19.20 | Shadowed | Backups and copying settings |
| 08:21.12 | Mikk | Cairenn: i got it |
| 08:21.22 | Cairenn | changed it on the Blizz forum |
| 08:21.52 | Mikk | it's not a change |
| 08:21.54 | Mikk | it's an addition |
| 08:21.59 | Cairenn | well, that's what I meant :p |
| 08:22.01 | Cairenn | go look :p |
| 08:22.11 | Shadowed | It's 1:22 AM, if you want to be technical wait until 10 PM |
| 08:22.25 | Cairenn | it's 4:22 am ... |
| 08:22.31 | Cairenn | tell me about it |
| 08:22.33 | Shadowed | even worst! |
| 08:22.39 | Kyahx | lame, only 3:22 here :P |
| 08:22.49 | Cairenn | anyway ... thanks for the info guys |
| 08:22.56 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ/AddOns#Backups_and_copying_settings <- fixed on wiki |
| 08:22.57 | Shadowed | Anyone who isn't in the PST time zone is lying and i'll just ignore |
| 08:23.39 | ckknight | 10:22 PM |
| 08:23.45 | Mikk | Shadowed: did i misunderstand? |
| 08:23.49 | Cairenn | can I please mock this guy for his arrogance? pretty please? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=425468&p=1&tmp=1#post425468 |
| 08:23.56 | Shadowed | just added the "Your character specific keybindings: " put above it |
| 08:23.58 | Shadowed | s/put/bit/ |
| 08:24.11 | Shadowed | Cairenn: Yes, please do |
| 08:24.15 | Shadowed | please please do |
| 08:24.46 | Cairenn | just this one part of his very first post in the thread pisses me off every single time I see it: "<Stiky please >" |
| 08:25.09 | Cairenn | mind you, I'm easily pissed off right now, I'm so tired I can't see straight any more |
| 08:25.24 | Shadowed | I don't think anyone would disagree with mocking him |
| 08:26.01 | Cairenn | it's just incredibly arrogant of him to think that any one specific mod's threads should be stickied on the blizz forum |
| 08:26.10 | ckknight | I want to ask him something totally unrelated |
| 08:26.20 | Shadowed | one second |
| 08:26.33 | ckknight | like "Why was mommy in bed with that man when daddy was out of town?" |
| 08:26.46 | Shadowed | rofl |
| 08:26.54 | Cairenn | don't |
| 08:27.10 | Cairenn | he admitted somewhere else that he's like 11 or 14 or something stupid like that |
| 08:27.13 | Shadowed | 14 |
| 08:27.25 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=425468&p=2 post #31 |
| 08:27.26 | Cairenn | which is why I'm *not* mocking him |
| 08:28.24 | Cairenn | or more correctly, why I'm not verbally slapping some sense into him for his presumed arrogance |
| 08:28.26 | ckknight | I want to ask "Why does Discord cause me to GC so often?" |
| 08:28.29 | Shadowed | I was thinking about asking him and saying I'm using Nurfed, then describe it as something from DUF though :( |
| 08:30.21 | chuckg | "Im gonna atemp to Make" |
| 08:30.25 | chuckg | He's got my vote. |
| 08:30.40 | Shadowed | where's that |
| 08:30.48 | chuckg | Post 15. |
| 08:30.52 | chuckg | Go to discordmods.com and post there So Lozzy can Help you Im gonna atemp to Make a all mighty Guide to Discord sometime soon |
| 08:30.56 | Cairenn | hey, points for effort at least ... he's *trying* to be helpful |
| 08:31.18 | chuckg | http://chuckg.org/wow/discord/dab_floaters.html |
| 08:31.19 | chuckg | That's a guide. |
| 08:31.26 | Shadowed | really really hard |
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| 08:31.57 | Cairenn | morning MoonWolf |
| 08:32.08 | MoonWolf | good morning |
| 08:32.21 | Shadowed | it would almost be worth getting my second accounts forum access banned to mock him |
| 08:32.27 | Cairenn | now now, let's not get hasty here ... morning? yes. good? ummmm ... |
| 08:32.37 | Wobin | ... |
| 08:32.39 | Wobin | dab_floaters |
| 08:32.43 | Wobin | >< |
| 08:32.55 | Wobin | What you find at the seaside near the sewerage outlet =P |
| 08:33.05 | chuckg | Haha. |
| 08:33.21 | Cairenn | ewwwww |
| 08:33.28 | MoonWolf | what happend ? |
| 08:33.38 | Cairenn | I'm still awake, that's what happened |
| 08:33.58 | Shadowed | bored and macking fun of Imarra |
| 08:34.26 | MoonWolf | http://zombo.com/ |
| 08:34.34 | Shadowed | And because Cairenn was the one who brought it up, I can't be blamed for what happens |
| 08:34.43 | Cairenn | MoonWolf: if I click that, am I going to have to slap you? |
| 08:34.54 | Shadowed | yes |
| 08:34.56 | MoonWolf | depends on how your sense of humor is right now. |
| 08:34.59 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:35.01 | Wobin | I remember zombo |
| 08:35.03 | MoonWolf | its nothing bad. |
| 08:35.11 | Shadowed | You'll have to slap him |
| 08:36.10 | Cairenn | I am pretty sure I do too, that's why I'm saving him from a slapping and not clicking it |
| 08:36.34 | Wobin | well, it's not rude or anything |
| 08:36.36 | Shadowed | But slapping him now without clicking the link would be bette |
| 08:36.36 | Wobin | just... weird |
| 08:37.12 | MoonWolf | santa claus made me do it, slap him. |
| 08:38.15 | Cairenn | "You can do anything at zombo.com" |
| 08:38.39 | MoonWolf | so you did click the link |
| 08:38.45 | Cairenn | heh, of course |
| 08:39.21 | Shadowed | k, hate you all. i should be sleeping! |
| 08:39.22 | Shadowed | night |
| 08:39.27 | MoonWolf | good night |
| 08:39.29 | Cairenn | night Shadowed |
| 08:40.40 | DoomGaze3 | ~seen MentalPower |
| 08:40.53 | purl | mentalpower <n=MentalPo@host-70-45-82-92.onelinkpr.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2d 4h 26m 55s ago, saying: 'see you guys tommorrow'. |
| 08:41.01 | DoomGaze3 | lol |
| 08:41.46 | DoomGaze3 | lies |
| 08:42.00 | DoomGaze3 | anyone familiar with GameTooltip:SetUnit? |
| 08:43.21 | Mikk | Somewhat |
| 08:43.48 | DoomGaze3 | I'm attempting to scan a tooltip to find what zone a unitID is in. Is there a better way to do that? |
| 08:44.39 | Wobin | 3be pedantic! |
| 08:45.06 | Kyahx | DoomGaze3: are you only dealing with raid members? |
| 08:45.09 | Kyahx | or what? |
| 08:45.10 | Cairenn | "I'm sure *someone* is familiar with GameTooltip:SetUnit" |
| 08:45.49 | DoomGaze3 | no, it could also be a party member |
| 08:45.57 | DoomGaze3 | raids are easy |
| 08:46.09 | Kyahx | yea, I was going to say :P |
| 08:46.09 | DoomGaze3 | but there's no equivalent for parties or so it would seem |
| 08:46.50 | DoomGaze3 | So I need to scan the tooltip |
| 08:46.51 | DoomGaze3 | but |
| 08:47.00 | DoomGaze3 | the zone may not always be on the same line |
| 08:47.05 | DoomGaze3 | So how do I find it? |
| 08:47.18 | Kyahx | I think the tooltip only shows sub-zones dosent it? |
| 08:47.33 | DoomGaze3 | For my purposes, that's accurate enough |
| 08:47.50 | DoomGaze3 | for now anyways |
| 08:48.00 | DoomGaze3 | if you can think of a better way, I'd love you for it |
| 08:48.02 | Kyahx | as far as I know you just :SetUnit('party1') and then scan from there |
| 08:48.06 | Kyahx | I'm thinking |
| 08:48.17 | DoomGaze3 | That contains: |
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| 08:48.43 | DoomGaze3 | Sometoon Level 13 <class> newline morestuff newline zone |
| 08:48.58 | DoomGaze3 | line 3 does not contain the zone if the player is in the same zone |
| 08:49.17 | Kyahx | How often are you going to be scanning the information? |
| 08:49.33 | DoomGaze3 | on party or roster updates |
| 08:49.39 | Kyahx | icky |
| 08:49.44 | Kyahx | that won't work then |
| 08:50.11 | Kyahx | (I was going to suggest just who'ing the 4 party members) |
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| 08:51.10 | DoomGaze3 | hey ck |
| 08:51.18 | DoomGaze3 | mebbie you could help |
| 08:51.36 | DoomGaze3 | I need immediate access to the zone a party member is in |
| 08:51.56 | Kyahx | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsVisible perhaps? |
| 08:52.06 | Kyahx | Shows people in 100-yards, not sure if thats acurate enough |
| 08:52.06 | Mikk | DoomGaze3: Random idea: look at /razone in ctra |
| 08:52.19 | Kyahx | raids are easy, its partys that pose the problem :P |
| 08:52.30 | Mikk | ... arf |
| 08:52.45 | Kyahx | UnitIsVisible would only be useful for seeing if the person was in your zone, not seeing 'which' zone they were in |
| 08:53.03 | Corrodias | ah, Kyahx, any other recommendations about my list? |
| 08:53.07 | DoomGaze3 | that's probably good enough for a party |
| 08:53.19 | Kyahx | yea, as long as you don't need to know where they are |
| 08:53.19 | DoomGaze3 | Thanks for the suggestion! :) |
| 08:53.42 | Kyahx | Corrodias: um...I got distracted and stopped looking >.> |
| 08:53.45 | DoomGaze3 | That wouldn't work tho, say, for a 40 man raid would it? |
| 08:53.57 | Kyahx | in a 40-man raid you just GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 08:54.35 | DoomGaze3 | <nods> |
| 08:54.47 | DoomGaze3 | jeezus this is hairy |
| 08:55.06 | DoomGaze3 | this stupid text only mod is already 1k lines of code |
| 08:55.15 | DoomGaze3 | and I haven't even added a UI for it yet |
| 08:55.22 | Kyahx | um...wtf are you trying to do? |
| 08:55.24 | Kyahx | lol, |
| 08:55.31 | DoomGaze3 | wanna see it? |
| 08:55.35 | Kyahx | I guess :P |
| 08:55.47 | Kyahx | allthou a small summary would probley suffice, whats it even do? |
| 08:56.33 | DoomGaze3 | It's a mod that uses Master Loot mode to allow the party or raid leader to "auction" loot |
| 08:57.30 | Kyahx | ok, I fail to see what that has to do with people being in a certain zone |
| 08:57.46 | DoomGaze3 | Well, the mod distributes the loot automatically |
| 08:57.47 | DoomGaze3 | so |
| 08:57.59 | DoomGaze3 | If someone is not in the zone, they won't be able to recieve the loot |
| 08:58.15 | Kirov | My old guild had a funny dkp mod that a friend of mine and I wrote. |
| 08:58.31 | Kyahx | Well, they should be a candidate for ML as long as they were part of the kill |
| 08:58.36 | Kyahx | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMasterLootCandidate |
| 08:58.37 | Kirov | If people were outside of an instance, it'd always return their dkp from MC instead of the instance we were in. |
| 08:58.42 | Kirov | That was bad. |
| 08:58.50 | DoomGaze3 | http://pastey.net/135 |
| 08:58.56 | Kyahx | range shouldn't matter, tehy can be anywhere they want after the kill. If they aren't on the list they aren't getting shit :P |
| 08:59.53 | DoomGaze3 | I also need to be able to track people in case they miss their greed item |
| 09:01.56 | DoomGaze3 | I've looked at that function and it looks like the candidates it returns can be sketchy |
| 09:01.58 | Kyahx | hmmm, I have no idea :P |
| 09:03.55 | Kyahx | meh, brain hurts. I think it's bed time. |
| 09:03.55 | Kyahx | night |
| 09:03.55 | Cairenn | night Kyahx|afk |
| 09:06.05 | DoomGaze3 | wtf |
| 09:06.15 | DoomGaze3 | now wow can't see my HelloWorld function |
| 09:06.26 | DoomGaze3 | why the hell not? |
| 09:08.04 | DoomGaze3 | grrrr |
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| 09:09.46 | DoomGaze3 | Can anyone take a look at this for me and tell me why my hook happy mod works fine and my silly HelloWorld doesn't? |
| 09:11.43 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 09:12.07 | DoomGaze3 | It's giving me a function nil error on my helloworld function |
| 09:12.37 | Kirov | Is it HelloWorld or helloworld |
| 09:12.49 | DoomGaze3 | HelloWorld |
| 09:12.59 | DoomGaze3 | it's getting called from the XML |
| 09:13.04 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 09:13.23 | DoomGaze3 | for some bizarre reason, it's not loading the script! |
| 09:14.42 | DoomGaze3 | http://pastey.net/136 |
| 09:15.27 | DoomGaze3 | I'm seriously about to tear my hair out if I can't fix this |
| 09:16.15 | DoomGaze3 | can you tell me what I'm doing wrong here kirov? |
| 09:16.21 | DoomGaze3 | or anyone? |
| 09:16.25 | DoomGaze3 | Pretty please? |
| 09:16.45 | Kirov | You're getting an error on load? |
| 09:17.11 | DoomGaze3 | ya, same error if I call it with /script |
| 09:17.22 | DoomGaze3 | Sez function is nil |
| 09:18.20 | Kirov | well, assuming HelloWorld.lua exists... |
| 09:18.34 | Kirov | I can't think of a reason it wouldn't work |
| 09:18.49 | DoomGaze3 | ... |
| 09:19.08 | DoomGaze3 | Goddamnitall. Buggy ass game. |
| 09:20.24 | DoomGaze3 | ah, wait... |
| 09:20.48 | DoomGaze3 | okay, now this is even more confusing: why would the game attempt to call that function if I had the addon disabled? |
| 09:21.38 | Kirov | Another addon is trying to call it then |
| 09:23.31 | DoomGaze3 | ah, duh |
| 09:23.41 | DoomGaze3 | Jesus, I was freaking |
| 09:35.01 | Kirov | hehe |
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| 10:07.34 | Corrodias | as i recall, last time i played wow, i had a terrible time trying to get money |
| 10:07.40 | Corrodias | i couldn't believe how other people had so much |
| 10:08.38 | Corrodias | i even screwed around on the auction house, but i was never very profitable with it |
| 10:10.21 | Corrodias | whoa, they actually updated the EULA in june? what's the change? |
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| 10:15.01 | Corrodias | can you find anything? i'm having trouble seeing anything on google about it |
| 10:20.27 | Corrodias | are you actually running that? >_> |
| 10:29.39 | Corrodias | my difference finder sucks balls |
| 10:30.07 | DoomGaze3 | I'm not rly looking |
| 10:30.21 | DoomGaze3 | busy debugging - YES! I'm at the debugging stage! :DDD |
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| 10:41.48 | Corrodias | of what, now? |
| 10:42.09 | DoomGaze3 | my looting system |
| 10:42.27 | DoomGaze3 | it uses master looter to distribute loot evenly using an auction system |
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| 10:53.17 | Corrodias | ooooh boy. there appears to be a problem. |
| 10:53.29 | Corrodias | i join the game and... i'm invisible, everyone's Unknown, and basically nothing's going on. |
| 10:53.30 | DoomGaze3 | whassat? |
| 10:53.38 | DoomGaze3 | ur cache is corrupt |
| 10:54.01 | Corrodias | i renamed the WDB folder and it didn't help. need i look elsewhere? |
| 10:57.53 | Corrodias | tell me this: in the Data folder, is there usually a Characters folder? i had one and deleted it because i thought it was from an old nudity mod, but i didn't check first |
| 10:58.10 | Corrodias | the repairer doesn't claim to find any errors |
| 10:59.40 | Kameril | can be a network issue, some network cards and/or routers will make things appear as unknown entity, check the support boards pretty sure they have a list of fixes |
| 11:01.27 | Corrodias | you are correct. i have an nforce board in my other computer, so i have a couple of things to try just for that. |
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| 11:10.13 | Corrodias | indeed, the checksum offload thing was the culprit |
| 11:11.37 | JoshBorke | ZOMG! Tinypad has an undo button! |
| 11:11.40 | Corrodias | now to try to get my addons going. |
| 11:12.33 | Industrial | ZOMG! why do you need tinypad? |
| 11:12.55 | JoshBorke | Industrial: it makes developing frames much quicker. i can test out the code before putting it in my addon |
| 11:13.12 | Industrial | I only used it to set my visor config up but then I stopped using visor :P |
| 11:13.49 | Industrial | ic |
| 11:14.10 | JoshBorke | to each his own :-) |
| 11:14.30 | Industrial | yeh |
| 11:14.49 | JoshBorke | btw, morning :-) |
| 11:14.53 | Industrial | I'm playing with the python web framework django atm |
| 11:15.44 | Industrial | the generated admin panel makes me feel tingly inside |
| 11:15.48 | Industrial | and its so fast :o |
| 11:44.01 | Corrodias | fubar just gave me an unpleasant error about trying to anchor to itself when i removed the bottom panel |
| 11:44.22 | Corrodias | and now none of the plugins on the second top bar are working... |
| 11:45.16 | Corrodias | correction: one that i tried to move to that bar doesn't work now. the rest do. |
| 11:45.30 | Wobin | Fu2? |
| 11:47.45 | Corrodias | 2 what? |
| 11:47.55 | Wobin | FuBar 2? |
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| 12:06.15 | DoomGaze3 | what's a Usage error? |
| 12:06.40 | DoomGaze3 | nm |
| 12:11.41 | Corrodias | i'm not aware of a fubar 2. |
| 12:11.53 | Corrodias | or if you mean -version- 2... yes |
| 12:12.06 | Wobin | well yes |
| 12:12.10 | Corrodias | relogging fixed that, but forgottenchat is still screwing with me |
| 12:13.19 | Corrodias | i probably need to delete my old variables for it |
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| 12:22.19 | Wobin | woah |
| 12:22.25 | Wobin | huge Bigwigs update =P |
| 12:22.52 | Wobin | I <3 'svn update *' |
| 12:23.03 | Tuplad | :D |
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| 13:15.58 | JoshBorke | krka: are you here? |
| 13:20.34 | Corrodias | everything seems to be working properly, except for smartpet, of course |
| 13:23.47 | Corrodias | sigh, that is going to cramp my hunter's style a little. i'll have to hit a key during combat. |
| 13:29.26 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:29.31 | Wobin | try CC_watch? |
| 13:29.37 | Wobin | I -think- that's what it's called |
| 13:29.41 | Wobin | it's one of Worf's |
| 13:29.53 | Wobin | or FuzzyLogic |
| 13:30.14 | Wobin | (which I have to say, is one of the best addon names, ever =P) |
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| 13:41.22 | clad|sleep | chuckg: Those hooks weren't safe, and they show a naive understanding of hooking in an environment lik ewow. |
| 13:41.58 | clad|sleep | not that he's here. |
| 13:42.01 | clad|sleep | but he was still wrong =) |
| 13:42.41 | cladhaire | wow.. so many stupid arguments last night. i'm sad i missed... oh wait.. no I'm not =) |
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| 13:42.59 | cladhaire | Afternoon Cide |
| 13:44.13 | Cide | afternoon cladhaire |
| 13:44.25 | Cide | I was about to say 'morning', but it's in fact almost 4pm :/ |
| 13:44.42 | cladhaire | i did the math first =) |
| 13:44.46 | cladhaire | its almost 10am here |
| 13:46.33 | Cide | well, good morning to you, then :) |
| 13:46.35 | Wobin | cladhaire: It was... well if I could sum it up in one word, that word would be "Meh." |
| 13:46.50 | cladhaire | Wobin: There were just so many of them, all of them exquisitely retarded =) |
| 13:46.54 | cladhaire | i love irc logging. |
| 13:47.01 | Wobin | Pretty typical of all the arguements =P |
| 14:34.33 | Rallion | Whoo, I'm going through all my code and adding comments and optimizing the code! Whoo! |
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| 15:00.09 | Corrodias | petextender or something is aiming to take the place of smartpet, but due to the new restriction, you have to press a key to change the pet autocast things instead of them being automatic. it's not really a -huge- change, but it requires a little adjustment |
| 15:01.04 | Corrodias | ccwatch sounds great |
| 15:02.06 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 15:02.47 | Codayus | Can anyone suggest or recommend offhand an addon/script that hits an eqdkp installation for current DKP totals, and then displays them inside WoW? |
| 15:03.07 | Corrodias | and it is true that itemrack has a decent interface and can replace wardrobe |
| 15:03.35 | JoshBorke | Codayus: check out DKP Table, http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2458 |
| 15:04.26 | Wobin | There's ItemRackFu apparantly? |
| 15:04.39 | Codayus | JoshBorke: hmm, looks a bit like what I'm looking for. Testing... |
| 15:04.41 | Codayus | Wobin: Yes. |
| 15:05.32 | Corrodias | now i have to decide for things whether i want them on the fubar or around the minimap |
| 15:06.13 | Corrodias | i feel more comfortable hitting the minimap for things i click often, though |
| 15:06.44 | Wobin | That's what I like about FuBar |
| 15:07.57 | Corrodias | i need a cool texture for it, though. get to work. |
| 15:08.19 | Codayus | I find it amusing to think back to when I was using titan. Comparatively so primitive... |
| 15:08.30 | Wobin | nu-uh. You don't look at me for textures =P |
| 15:08.37 | Wobin | WoW textures hate me |
| 15:09.39 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 15:09.44 | Codayus | This addon is in...german. |
| 15:09.47 | Codayus | <confused> |
| 15:10.28 | Corrodias | lol |
| 15:10.28 | Corrodias | i don't remember titan being so different, but maybe you mean coding for it. or maybe you remember it better than i do. |
| 15:10.33 | Codayus | More the coding aspect... |
| 15:11.19 | Codayus | But also some of the nifty things you can do with, say, making fubar plugins that also work as standalone addons for people without fubar. |
| 15:11.44 | Codayus | Most of the coolness, I admit, is on the coding side of things. :-) |
| 15:12.18 | Codayus | Hmm, this addon has english and german localizations...but...it's in german....why? |
| 15:12.45 | Corrodias | okay, now that i've checked back with my characters, i see that my main has 60g at level 48, and he's been feeding a small amount to an alt |
| 15:13.02 | Corrodias | i'd wager.. that something is wrong! |
| 15:13.13 | Corrodias | possibly it's coded... WRONGly |
| 15:13.18 | Codayus | Hmm, probanly/ |
| 15:13.38 | Codayus | Ah, ha, the english and german localization were both being loaded... |
| 15:13.52 | Corrodias | also, i have come to the conclusion that i'm never again going to buy chips with any sort of lime flavor on them. |
| 15:13.58 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 15:14.01 | Codayus | I tend to like them. |
| 15:14.09 | Codayus | Speaking of which, chile and lime flavored almonds = good! |
| 15:14.23 | JoshBorke | all these C names! confusing me! |
| 15:14.44 | Corrodias | i'm chewing chile and lime flavored tostitos |
| 15:15.03 | Corrodias | they've come up with these "sensations" that could definitely give doritos a run for their money if they make some better flavors |
| 15:15.20 | Corrodias | their ranch flavor already beats doritos's cooler ranch |
| 15:15.54 | Wobin | JoshBorke: That's why I like XChat. Coloured nicknames =) |
| 15:16.14 | Wobin | I've had lime and pepper kettle chips before, they weren't too bad |
| 15:16.38 | Wobin | possibly cause kettle chips are 'cleaner' in taste than tostitos |
| 15:16.42 | Corrodias | they taste like salty fruit loops, to me |
| 15:17.04 | Corrodias | because lime inexorably makes me think of froot loops (the correct name) |
| 15:17.20 | JoshBorke | Wobin: i have colored names too :-P still gets confusing :-P |
| 15:17.25 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:17.36 | JoshBorke | ok, bye all, have a good day |
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| 15:20.13 | Corrodias | now for some Silk and... i feel like eating, but i'm not sure i should |
| 15:20.22 | Corrodias | i'm sure that will satisfy me |
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| 15:33.41 | Corrodias | so tomorrow i'll set up my fubar plugins as i like them, in the order that pleases me, and try to remember how to play :) |
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| 15:51.57 | Kaso | SetUnitBuff only works for the 16 "visible" buffs right, we cant query all 32 ? |
| 15:52.56 | Cide | SetUnitBuff works for the visible buffs |
| 15:53.00 | Cide | no matter how many there are |
| 15:53.10 | Cide | you can have more than 16 visible buffs |
| 15:53.14 | Kaso | you can? |
| 15:53.27 | Kaso | how many visible buffs can you have then |
| 15:53.33 | Cide | up to 32, I bet |
| 15:53.47 | Kaso | oh |
| 15:53.57 | Cide | it's just that you can have 32 total at most |
| 15:59.20 | Hexarobee | so my addon joins a channel, and i just got a bug report that if you have 10 channels joined and zoned, it crashes |
| 15:59.34 | Hexarobee | it seems to be a conflict with CTRA but i havent narrowed that down for sure, was in the report tho |
| 16:00.09 | Hexarobee | with all my addons disabled, it works fine, with all enabled, it just closes wow client without any error |
| 16:00.21 | Hexarobee | anyone familiar with this issue? |
| 16:05.12 | Kaso | leave some channels? |
| 16:07.01 | Corrodias | get blizzard some better programmers? |
| 16:07.13 | Wobin | World Peace? |
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| 19:11.50 | Shadowed | Anyone done any work with TRADE_ACCEPT_UPDATE lately? i'm not able to get it to fire 1,1 for arg1/arg2 for both people accepting. |
| 19:12.50 | Shadowed | ah nevermind! |
| 19:15.13 | Cairenn | better to read it before you wake up? |
| 19:15.40 | Shadowed | better to read it at the point where you're half asleep but still awake |
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| 19:29.22 | Corrodias | i was having trouble getting to sleep, and i need to switch to being awake during the day for school, so i've decided to stay awake until night and sleep early tonight. |
| 19:34.21 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Neronix (i=neronix@user-514dd91b.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 19:44.24 | Tuplad | oO |
| 19:44.29 | Tuplad | geek :D |
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| 19:55.07 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 19:55.19 | Cairenn | hey hey Iriel |
| 19:57.44 | Iriel | Anyone know any good NTFS filesystem recovery tools? I lost a hard drive. |
| 19:58.14 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 19:58.20 | zenzelezz | what happened? |
| 19:59.05 | Iriel | Drive failure, not sure what caused it, machine worked fine in the morning, and then refused to boot in the evening. I appear to have lost about 800KB worth of sectors, but on a 60GB disk that shouldn't be TOO awful |
| 19:59.37 | Iriel | Fortunately it's not the drive I have most important data on (and THOSE are raid arrayed) |
| 19:59.49 | Iriel | Unfortunately it was the boot disk on my main windows machine |
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| 20:00.33 | Cairenn | ugh Iriel |
| 20:00.40 | Kirov | I'm having an odd bug with a drop down menu |
| 20:01.06 | Iriel | On the bright side best buy were selling 160GB drives at half-of. |
| 20:01.12 | Iriel | Kirov : What kind of 'odd bug'? |
| 20:01.17 | Iriel | half-off, even |
| 20:01.30 | Gandraw | fyi if a part of a hd dies, theres a decent chance the whole drive will die soon |
| 20:01.49 | Kirov | If you enter in to the menu and hover over an expandable portion for a second, then click on something not in the expanded section, it still thinks it's in that expanded menu. |
| 20:01.52 | Gandraw | so backup - not that you shouldnt have done so before ;) |
| 20:02.19 | Kirov | UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_VALUE isn't getting unset properly |
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| 20:10.49 | Iriel | Kirov: I dont believe the code ever promises it'll be unset |
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| 20:28.32 | Corrodias | this is interesting. |
| 20:28.58 | Corrodias | back 6 months ago, i had 4 chat windows, tabbed, and when i'd login, the one farthest to the left would be open by default. |
| 20:29.01 | Corrodias | now, it's the one farthest to the right. |
| 20:29.27 | kergoth | Corrodias: known bug, theres an addon whose entire purpose is to focus the first one by default again |
| 20:32.16 | Corrodias | thanks. i found it. |
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| 20:40.07 | EF-Stenberg | Hello? |
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| 20:40.39 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 20:40.47 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:40.54 | CubicX | Oh, damn I was just here but.. hehe nvm |
| 20:40.58 | CubicX | Can I get som assistance? |
| 20:41.21 | fragalot | "don't ask to ask" |
| 20:41.30 | fragalot | oops, wrong channel, sorry |
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| 20:42.01 | Kirov | with? |
| 20:42.05 | CubicX | It's regarding an "Enchanting Addon", anyone available? |
| 20:42.13 | Cairenn | ask |
| 20:42.21 | CubicX | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4646-1-elhanas-enchant-bot.html |
| 20:42.43 | CubicX | What that addon does, it scans your enchants, and let's users type !ench agility --- in a PM and you spamm the user with all your agility enchants. |
| 20:43.00 | esp|Syn | ok? |
| 20:43.04 | Cairenn | and? |
| 20:43.14 | CubicX | But, in my opinion.. that is not what you want. You want to know what enchants are available for your item.. |
| 20:43.21 | CubicX | So I am looking for someone to add / change triggers |
| 20:43.27 | CubicX | /tell name !chest |
| 20:43.42 | CubicX | So, all the chest-enchants show up, 100hp/100mana, 3stats/4stats etc |
| 20:43.54 | CubicX | The addon as it is now.. doesn't help a lot.. still the same spamming as in /2 |
| 20:44.04 | Kaso | your the person who posted on the EU forums eariler ? :> |
| 20:44.17 | CubicX | I am Zairah yeah, I'm sorry.. but this would be soo useful |
| 20:44.30 | CubicX | I'm not even an enchanter, but I can really see the usage of this.. |
| 20:45.07 | Kaso | i cant speak for the others, but i know im very lazy, and wont go too out of my way to make an addon i dont use, sorry :< |
| 20:45.11 | Kirov | CubicX - have you tried suggesting this feature to the author? |
| 20:45.33 | CubicX | Kirov, I have messaged the author in question yes.. havn't got an reply yet though... |
| 20:45.48 | CubicX | Don't think I will either. He author has only done that addon+one more.. not online so ofter I think |
| 20:46.18 | CubicX | I'll take that back, but still the "modification" wouldn't take more than like 5minutes |
| 20:46.29 | CubicX | I mean the information is already there, someone just needs to edit the output |
| 20:47.00 | esp|Syn | so do it |
| 20:47.13 | CubicX | Believe me, if I could I would have done it already.. |
| 20:47.19 | CubicX | And not asking you nice ppl to help me out.. |
| 20:47.36 | esp|Syn | no.. ure just asking someone to do it for you? |
| 20:47.37 | CubicX | Look.. I know it's a lot to ask.. but please? It would be really nice tbh.. |
| 20:47.45 | Kirov | Appears that the mod already does this |
| 20:48.01 | CubicX | Does !ench chest already work? |
| 20:48.16 | Kirov | Appears to, yes |
| 20:48.42 | CubicX | I'd have to check that out.. I had no idea it did.. he didn't include that in his readme i think |
| 20:52.28 | CubicX | Kirov hm, nope it's not.. |
| 20:52.50 | CubicX | !ench agility boots works |
| 20:53.06 | CubicX | Oh hang on |
| 20:53.10 | CubicX | It does work >_< |
| 20:53.46 | Kirov | Iriel - ckknight was trying to explain why for k, v in t do is bad vs. k,v in pairs(t) do or ipairs. Honestly, his explinations are somewhat lacking in the non-coder speak so I had no idea after he explained it to me why I should use pairs. |
| 20:54.14 | ckknight | pairs(t) translates to next, t, nil |
| 20:54.24 | ckknight | iterators in lua are stateless |
| 20:55.13 | kergoth | s/are/can be/ |
| 20:55.13 | ckknight | so what it does is run next(t, nil), get the value from that |
| 20:55.13 | ckknight | then next(t, value) |
| 20:55.13 | ckknight | then next(t, valueAfterThat) |
| 20:55.13 | ckknight | until you hit nil |
| 20:55.18 | ckknight | understand that much? |
| 20:55.26 | Kirov | aye |
| 20:55.30 | Kirov | That makes sense |
| 20:55.33 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:55.36 | CubicX | Oh is there any setting you can do so .. well it's saved in the WTF folder, but are there anything I can do to change the standards? |
| 20:55.38 | ckknight | and ipairs does a similar thing |
| 20:55.53 | ckknight | only with increasing the value by 1 instead of using next |
| 20:55.55 | kergoth | Kirov: the short answer is that the first of those two is deprecated. doing it that way doesnt gain you anything, and it isnt the Right Way of doing so. lua 5.1 removes the ability to use for k,v in t do at all |
| 20:55.55 | CubicX | Everytime I log on a new character, it's... rofl fecked up really bad.. Need like 10min of configurating Gypsy etc |
| 20:56.47 | ckknight | basically, it's confusing how you can get from `for k,v in t do ... end` to `for k,v in next, t, nil do ... end`, whereas if you use `next(t)`, it makes sense |
| 20:57.53 | Iriel | What kergoth said, I got interrupted during typing it and he beat me to it 8-) |
| 20:58.13 | Kirov | ok, another question then about pairs vs. ipairs. pairs works on ordered arrays exactly the same way as ipairs (as far as the end result), but I assume that ipairs is more efficent? |
| 20:58.22 | Iriel | not really |
| 20:58.27 | ckknight | not necessarily. |
| 20:58.29 | Iriel | ipairs uses a GUARANTEED order |
| 20:58.36 | ckknight | pairs is not guaranteed |
| 20:58.39 | ckknight | and ipairs is faster anyway |
| 20:58.51 | Iriel | pairs uses whatever order is in the internal storage, it's _usually_ the same for array style tables, but it doesn't have to be |
| 20:59.03 | Iriel | and yes, ipairs should be faster |
| 21:00.54 | Kirov | If you have a single table with both hash and an ordered table, ipairs could also be used to only get the integer table? |
| 21:01.05 | ckknight | yes |
| 21:01.18 | Kirov | where pairs would get a mix |
| 21:01.25 | ckknight | though poorly worded, I think you understand |
| 21:01.33 | ckknight | and that's what really matters ;-) |
| 21:01.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 21:01.39 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:01.41 | Iriel | It's worth noting that none of the API calls really 'know' if there's an integer table or not |
| 21:01.47 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 21:02.19 | Cairenn | hi josh |
| 21:02.34 | Kirov | I don't think it helped that when I first asked about this ckknight was having a, um, talk ... with al |
| 21:02.34 | JoshBorke | I feel so loved :-D |
| 21:02.44 | ckknight | Kirov, yea... |
| 21:02.48 | ckknight | hey JoshBorke |
| 21:03.07 | Cairenn | it was ugly and stupid and annoyed me to no end :p |
| 21:03.17 | JoshBorke | ~roulette |
| 21:03.18 | purl | ACTION watches joshborke pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:03.22 | ckknight | you should've been asleep |
| 21:03.24 | Kirov | Cairenn - Josh or the "talk" |
| 21:03.29 | ckknight | ~roulette |
| 21:03.30 | purl | ACTION watches ckknight pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:03.31 | Cairenn | the "talk" |
| 21:03.36 | Kirov | ;) |
| 21:03.39 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 21:04.11 | Cairenn | ckknight: that as may be, I still wish it didn't get so ugly in here by times |
| 21:04.13 | ckknight | sad thing is, I don't think anything was accomplished by the talk |
| 21:04.26 | Cairenn | not a damn thing other than to piss him off |
| 21:04.29 | JoshBorke | sorry, i can leave now if you'd like... |
| 21:04.36 | JoshBorke | or i could bring flowers... |
| 21:04.36 | Cairenn | not you Josh! geez |
| 21:04.47 | DoomGaze3 | lol |
| 21:05.00 | ckknight | Cairenn, you have to admit that the whole "fix my code and send it to me" is a bad idea. |
| 21:05.04 | ckknight | whatever, I'm dropping it. |
| 21:05.26 | Cairenn | not upset with anyone in particular, just the situation as a whole, so don't fret |
| 21:06.12 | Kirov | I blaim JoshBorke for the whole thing |
| 21:06.19 | ckknight | yea, JoshBorke |
| 21:06.21 | ckknight | geez, man |
| 21:06.28 | ckknight | why you gotta harsh my mellow like that? |
| 21:07.45 | ckknight | ~chippersnack JoshBorke |
| 21:07.46 | purl | ACTION feeds JoshBorke some nuts. |
| 21:07.55 | DoomGaze3 | ~the internet |
| 21:08.14 | Iriel | An example for the earlier discussion: |
| 21:08.15 | Iriel | pairs: 14 3 7 15 16 8 17 4 9 19 20 10 5 11 12 18 6 13 2 1 |
| 21:08.15 | Iriel | ipairs: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 |
| 21:08.27 | ckknight | ~internet |
| 21:08.29 | purl | the internet is not something you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 21:08.38 | JoshBorke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 21:08.46 | DoomGaze3 | ~ted stevens |
| 21:08.47 | purl | Ted Stevens is a giant ignorant douche. |
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| 21:10.45 | Kirov | Random table related question. t = {1,2,3,4,5} getn(t) == 5 t["foo"] = bar; getn(t) == 5? or getn(t) == nil? |
| 21:10.57 | JoshBorke | getn(t) == 5 |
| 21:10.57 | Iriel | 0 on the latter one |
| 21:10.58 | ckknight | table.getn(t) == 5 |
| 21:11.01 | Iriel | oh , same table |
| 21:11.04 | Iriel | yes, 5 |
| 21:11.20 | ckknight | t[6] = "hey" |
| 21:11.21 | ckknight | getn(t) == 6 |
| 21:11.25 | ckknight | t[8] ="there" |
| 21:11.30 | ckknight | getn(t) == 6 |
| 21:11.42 | ckknight | t.n = 10 |
| 21:11.44 | ckknight | getn(t) == 10 |
| 21:11.55 | JoshBorke | does that really work? t.n = 10? |
| 21:11.58 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:12.05 | Iriel | it's the really old alternative to setn |
| 21:12.13 | JoshBorke | i thought lua kept a separate 'variable' to hold the count |
| 21:12.23 | Iriel | It does |
| 21:12.25 | Iriel | but it didn't used to |
| 21:12.25 | CubicX | omfg, givf knowledge >_< |
| 21:12.46 | ckknight | Iriel, it's good for embedded nils. |
| 21:12.50 | JoshBorke | is either one better than the other? |
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| 21:12.58 | Iriel | table.setn(X, 10) is cleaner |
| 21:13.13 | Cairenn | off to a corn boil for dinner, back later |
| 21:13.16 | Iriel | Since it doesn't pollute the table with a visible key |
| 21:13.27 | Kirov | tinsert(t,blah) is equivalent to setn(t,getn(t)+1) t[getn(t)] = blah; |
| 21:13.30 | Iriel | Corn boil sounds like an unpleasant medical procedure |
| 21:13.32 | JoshBorke | yea. what is corn boiling? |
| 21:13.46 | JoshBorke | er, i guess not boiling, but corn boil? |
| 21:13.51 | Cairenn|afk | corn on the cob, silly twits |
| 21:14.01 | JoshBorke | well why didn't you say so? ^_^ |
| 21:14.05 | Cairenn|afk | I did |
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| 21:15.34 | cladhaire | ckknight: They just did some benchmarking, and found that manually keeping your counter in a locally bound variable is signifigantly faster than using table.insert, fwiw =) |
| 21:16.03 | ckknight | okay |
| 21:16.22 | JoshBorke | next question: when managing a list of frames to be used, i'm just table.insert'ing them. when i want to remove one of the frames from the list, i have been informed it is better to remove the last element. so should i just do something like: local element = tbl[table.getn(tbl)]; table.remove(tbl)? |
| 21:16.38 | JoshBorke | blasted cladhaire, that was related to my question! |
| 21:16.48 | JoshBorke | now i gotta go make my addons better |
| 21:19.51 | ckknight | woot. Now with auto-memoization, I've saved even more bytes. Throwing a Hand object that's a ROCK is now 21 bytes instead of the previous 40-something that it was a day ago ;-) |
| 21:19.56 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 21:20.00 | cladhaire | that's not a critical path |
| 21:20.13 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: It's really only going to make a difference in something like an event handler, or an onupdate |
| 21:20.37 | ckknight | cladhaire, were you shaking at me or JoshBorke? |
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| 21:21.02 | Cide | stupid irc |
| 21:21.08 | JoshBorke | every little bit helps :-D |
| 21:21.18 | cladhaire | ckknight: Joshborke. |
| 21:21.20 | JoshBorke | and it does basically run in an event handler |
| 21:21.28 | cladhaire | i dont believe you =) |
| 21:21.29 | JoshBorke | every spell cast that is recognized gets a new frame |
| 21:21.39 | cladhaire | ha |
| 21:21.41 | cladhaire | that's not an event handler. |
| 21:21.46 | cladhaire | that's in response to human events. |
| 21:21.47 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:21.48 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 21:21.52 | cladhaire | which isn't critical |
| 21:21.58 | cladhaire | leave that table.insert.. it makes it more internal and reliable. |
| 21:22.03 | cladhaire | only use dirty hacks when you need to |
| 21:22.04 | ckknight | hey Cide |
| 21:22.08 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 21:23.09 | Cide | hi |
| 21:23.16 | Gryphen | heya |
| 21:23.27 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 21:23.54 | cladhaire | haha |
| 21:24.07 | JoshBorke | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 21:24.09 | purl | ACTION shakes, berries fall to the ground. |
| 21:24.09 | Cide | anyone else feel like greeting me?! |
| 21:25.37 | JoshBorke | ~tryme |
| 21:25.38 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at ag` and fires. BANG! |
| 21:25.46 | cladhaire | nice |
| 21:25.54 | cladhaire | Cide: Good evening Cide! |
| 21:26.02 | Cide | hi there, cladhaire! |
| 21:26.03 | ag` | ouch |
| 21:26.21 | cladhaire | Is there any way to disable an editbox? |
| 21:26.39 | JoshBorke | EnableKeyboard(false)? |
| 21:26.40 | cladhaire | i.e. make it read only? |
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| 21:27.14 | JoshBorke | you could register the events for OnTextChanged and then just change it back |
| 21:27.21 | JoshBorke | but that seems like a hack :-) |
| 21:27.23 | ag` | create something that looks like your editbox, have the same text in them |
| 21:27.28 | cladhaire | haha |
| 21:27.29 | ag` | hide the real editbox |
| 21:27.29 | cladhaire | you all suck =) |
| 21:27.33 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:27.36 | JoshBorke | ok, bye all :-) |
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| 21:29.13 | cladhaire | ha |
| 21:36.08 | cladhaire | FWIW I added code to OnFocusGained that will clear it immediately if this.readOnly is true |
| 21:37.56 | CubicX | What kind of /who triggers are there? |
| 21:38.07 | CubicX | /who g-guild race class level |
| 21:38.11 | CubicX | and zone |
| 21:38.18 | CubicX | and.. what more? any nice things like g- ? ^^ |
| 21:39.28 | Kaso | check the code for the /who command |
| 21:39.41 | Kaso | i think its in there iirc |
| 21:40.56 | Iriel | g- c- z- (Guild, Class, Zone) |
| 21:41.36 | Iriel | r- n- (Race, Name) |
| 21:43.15 | Tuplad | :O |
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| 21:49.45 | Esamynn | Afternoon all |
| 21:53.58 | Tuplad | hai2u |
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| 22:22.50 | DoomGaze3 | 1 > nil == false? |
| 22:23.22 | Cide | that would error |
| 22:23.27 | DoomGaze3 | k |
| 22:23.37 | Cide | (attempt to compare nil with number) |
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| 22:30.12 | Kirkburn | Hello! I'm bored, and installled this on my parent's computer :) |
| 22:31.51 | Iriel | heh, I always have to find a way online if i'm at my parents' |
| 22:32.03 | Iriel | but I'm not there very often |
| 22:32.38 | Kirkburn | Well, my laptop ison and upstairs, but I'm trying to delete lots of crap on this PC ... it must be about 4 years old, never had a reinstall |
| 22:32.55 | Iriel | 4 years isn't that old |
| 22:33.06 | Zicon | Reinstalls are for wussies. |
| 22:33.21 | Kirkburn | It's flagging |
| 22:33.40 | Kirkburn | It's had masses of stuff installled and removed |
| 22:33.53 | Kirkburn | I think it may be older than 5 years ... and this keyboard is very very very annoying |
| 22:34.03 | Kirkburn | It sounds like a herd of trumpeting elephants |
| 22:34.07 | Iriel | The oldest machine in this room is about 7 1/2 years |
| 22:34.15 | Kirkburn | (so does the CPU fan, unfortunately) |
| 22:34.31 | Zicon | My current install has gone through ... *counts* ... five years and two motherboard changes. Still going strong. :D |
| 22:34.52 | Tain | Now that I don't have a roommate that complained about the sound I could get my buckling spring keyboard out again. But... I actually like my G15. |
| 22:34.55 | Iriel | I need to decide if my recent drive failure is a sign I need to rebuild a machine |
| 22:35.08 | Iriel | I find the G15 very comfortable also |
| 22:35.11 | Shadowed | it's not a sign, it's an excuse |
| 22:35.21 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:35.33 | Iriel | I dont need an excuse, a reason I could go with, i've had excuses for months. |
| 22:35.50 | Tain | I once got a fortune cookie that made too much sense. "Never mistake temptation for opportunity." |
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| 22:36.52 | Iriel | That's a remarkably good observation |
| 22:36.54 | Kirkburn | I'm going through deleting everything in the other profiles' temp directories |
| 22:37.14 | Kirkburn | In mine (which I haven't used for 3 years), there was nearly a gig of temp files |
| 22:37.31 | Iriel | The microsoft disk cleanup tool is actually quite handy for that kind of thing |
| 22:37.41 | Kirkburn | Ah, but the requires me to log into the others |
| 22:37.45 | Kirkburn | *that |
| 22:37.53 | Iriel | Even if you run as an administrator? |
| 22:37.59 | Kirkburn | seems so |
| 22:38.07 | Iriel | Typical microsoft |
| 22:38.29 | Kirkburn | Well, all the accounts have admin privileges - is there an overall hidden admin account |
| 22:38.31 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 22:38.31 | Tain | I remember trying to find out where my disk space was going on a system a while back, turned out it was almost 9 gig of temporary files created by DVD authoring/burning software that it never cleaned and I didn't know were there. |
| 22:38.46 | Tain | There is a built in Administrator account on XP installs. |
| 22:39.27 | Kirkburn | Bah, this way is fun |
| 22:39.47 | Kirkburn | And I'd have to enable that other one |
| 22:40.05 | Iriel | Anyone got any anti-recommendations for PCI Express MoBo's (intel processor) |
| 22:40.07 | Kirkburn | Then it would probably ask me to restart :P |
| 22:40.30 | Kirkburn | If if smells like burning, stay away =) |
| 22:40.42 | Iriel | and do they fit in standard ATX cases, or is it some new standard? |
| 22:40.53 | Kirkburn | It *is& okay for me just to delet everything within the Content.IE5 folder, right? :) |
| 22:41.06 | Kirkburn | Grah |
| 22:41.10 | Osagasu | No. :< |
| 22:41.32 | Kirkburn | I feel like not listening to Osagasu today :) |
| 22:41.41 | Osagasu | I mean unfortunately not. |
| 22:42.49 | Kirkburn | I can't tell if you're serious |
| 22:43.19 | Kirkburn | (or talking to me?) |
| 22:43.20 | Osagasu | I'm pretty sure IE6 still uses IE5 stuff. |
| 22:43.42 | Kirkburn | This is in Local Settings/Temp Internet Files/Content.IE5 |
| 22:43.57 | Osagasu | ah |
| 22:43.59 | Osagasu | Iono then |
| 22:44.03 | Osagasu | I wouldn't dare it. |
| 22:44.14 | Kirkburn | :) Yeah. it wasn't very forward looking when they named it IE5 |
| 22:44.28 | Kirkburn | Like much of XP |
| 22:45.09 | Kirkburn | Another example being Outlook Express' awful profile folder locations |
| 22:45.20 | Osagasu | Don't use Outlook express. |
| 22:45.38 | Kirkburn | Let's just say, without a guide, you'd never every fidn the files to back up |
| 22:45.46 | Kirkburn | *never ever find |
| 22:46.33 | Kirkburn | With names like {hf3498y4589745hf45th985ygf-fdust74fg-x} meaning "Kirkburn" |
| 22:47.47 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:48.30 | Kirkburn | The recycle bin is so large, it's taking an age to open |
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| 22:49.39 | Kirkburn | mmm, 1.4 gig |
| 22:49.52 | Tuplad | heh Im downloading a 1.4gig movie :] |
| 22:50.15 | Kirkburn | At least that's not made up of thousands of 1KB files :P |
| 22:50.23 | Tuplad | :O |
| 22:51.02 | Kirkburn | So close to crashing |
| 22:51.14 | Tuplad | hmmm |
| 22:51.33 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: you're the author of Chatmanger arent u ? |
| 22:52.02 | Kirkburn | Manger? Isn't that what jesus was in in the stable? =) |
| 22:52.08 | Kirkburn | But, no ... ClearFont only |
| 22:52.13 | Tuplad | manager |
| 22:52.21 | Tuplad | oh yea, that |
| 22:52.56 | Kirkburn | Me waves goodbye to 2,253 files |
| 22:53.12 | Kirkburn | And that's not them all :/ |
| 22:53.15 | Tuplad | :0 |
| 22:53.27 | Tuplad | all porn video files ? |
| 22:53.31 | Kirkburn | Look at that progress bar go. Or not. |
| 22:53.48 | Kirkburn | All very very very tiny porn files |
| 22:54.04 | Tuplad | zomg one hand surfer spotted! |
| 22:54.28 | Kirkburn | Not me, guv |
| 22:54.38 | Kirkburn | Ah, so only 67 mins remaining |
| 22:54.40 | Tuplad | :D |
| 22:55.11 | Kirkburn | Or is it 13? Either way, it's done a grand total of 1 bar so far |
| 22:55.19 | Kirkburn | Hmm, maybe it's 20 |
| 22:55.24 | Kirkburn | No, 5 |
| 22:55.34 | Tuplad | windows? |
| 22:55.43 | Kirkburn | XP |
| 22:55.52 | Tuplad | is it "XP" or Windows XP ? |
| 22:56.02 | Tuplad | XP: smilie :p |
| 22:56.11 | Kirkburn | Ooh, good point |
| 22:56.12 | Kirkburn | Both |
| 22:56.16 | Tuplad | o, ok :) |
| 22:56.47 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: so what's the bitching about calibri ? |
| 22:57.37 | Kirkburn | MS don't care, I don't care, nearly everyone in the world doesn't care. But one random guy cared enough to make life hard for me and Cairenn, etc ...so I saved myself the trouble and changed it |
| 22:57.52 | Tuplad | lol, who ? |
| 22:58.04 | Tuplad | my dad works with the maffia ;D give address |
| 22:58.20 | Kirkburn | No idea, but someone who decided to quote the Office 2007 legal stuff at me and the UI site owners (who all didn't care) |
| 22:58.37 | Tuplad | screw him ? |
| 22:58.42 | Gryphon | all they will do is send you a c&d |
| 22:58.48 | Gryphon | if they even cared |
| 22:58.52 | Tuplad | just /ignore the prick |
| 22:59.09 | Tuplad | that stuff is public |
| 22:59.11 | Kirkburn | The guy said he'd emailed the MS legal dept ... shock horror, no response |
| 22:59.12 | Gryphon | i say keep them in and let him bitch, comes with providing a service |
| 22:59.55 | Tuplad | hah |
| 22:59.56 | Kirkburn | I just don't want the trouble, or make life hard for the ui cite owners (I know he annoyed Cair a lot) |
| 22:59.57 | Gryphon | ms has worse problems that they dont even do anything about |
| 23:00.12 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: the guy is bullshitting you ... |
| 23:00.15 | Gryphon | comes with owning a site lol |
| 23:00.20 | Kirkburn | I'll probably stickit back in once Office and Vista come out |
| 23:00.45 | Tuplad | you dont have to |
| 23:00.52 | Kirkburn | I'm sure he was Tuplad, but I had to get his comments deleted on all the sites, and he pestered the owners |
| 23:00.54 | Tuplad | it's public ... |
| 23:01.05 | Kirkburn | I know, I have Offie 2007 B2 :) |
| 23:01.09 | Tuplad | indeed |
| 23:01.17 | Tuplad | Office is public aswell, isnt it ? |
| 23:02.07 | Kirkburn | If we were looking at the letter of the law, I shouldn't be redistibuting Calibri. However, I don't advertise it, suggest you spread it, or any such stuff - so common sense obviously says it'snot a problem |
| 23:02.19 | Kirkburn | But you can't convince everyone |
| 23:02.22 | Tuplad | and neither are you using it for commercial crap |
| 23:02.27 | Kirkburn | Indeed not |
| 23:02.34 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: the middle finger for him and continue doing what you were doing. |
| 23:02.45 | Kirkburn | Besides, you may notice I haven't taken down the previous versions |
| 23:02.51 | Tuplad | yea :) |
| 23:03.21 | Gryphon | i would have left em in |
| 23:03.24 | Gryphon | heh |
| 23:03.27 | Kirkburn | I won't mention that on the details, but I'm not gonna remove them unless needed |
| 23:03.35 | Kirkburn | I know you would :P |
| 23:03.44 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: it's not needed and it never was o_O |
| 23:04.07 | Tuplad | just some micro fanboi |
| 23:04.28 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 23:04.46 | Kirkburn | I can't believe he actually looked through the T&C for the right quote |
| 23:05.08 | Tuplad | retardness knows no limits |
| 23:06.03 | Kirkburn | La vita e bella |
| 23:06.13 | Kirkburn | (life is wonderful) |
| 23:07.05 | Kirkburn | But anyway, I have my websites to interest me now :P |
| 23:08.15 | Kirkburn | And the wowwiki, of course :) |
| 23:08.44 | Tuplad | meh |
| 23:08.48 | Tuplad | http://static.thepiratebay.org/huckabay_resp.txt |
| 23:08.52 | Tuplad | that's how you should respond |
| 23:09.48 | Kirkburn | Apparently, the correct window for this computer to open that in .. is "My Computer" ...riiight |
| 23:10.20 | Kirkburn | aaah, it's sooo slow |
| 23:10.57 | Kirkburn | oooh-err, that page is shaking my screen in Firefox :/ |
| 23:15.52 | Kirkburn | Very humourous :P |
| 23:16.54 | Kirkburn | Okay, now I'm totally confused ... the temp files are showing deleted dates way way in the past |
| 23:42.46 | ckknight | I've made AceComm even more efficient ;-) |
| 23:42.51 | ckknight | for those paying attention |
| 23:48.43 | Kirkburn | Woo for efficiency |
| 23:50.55 | Kirkburn | PC defragging, see ya'll tomorrow! |
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