| 00:00.04 | Cide | typical :) |
| 00:00.20 | AnduinLothar | it was good too |
| 00:01.07 | AnduinLothar | hawt: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4748-1-vending-machine.html |
| 00:01.53 | AnduinLothar | oh cide |
| 00:02.30 | AnduinLothar | would it be possibly to have bossmods use the main tank targets buffs for the ossirian warnings? |
| 00:04.30 | AnduinLothar | our tanks don't always have bossmods installed and i find myself having to turn mine on quite frequently |
| 00:06.07 | Cide | heh, no :) |
| 00:06.24 | AnduinLothar | i assume you use the UNIT_AURA event then |
| 00:06.42 | Kirov | I was thinking about writing an "events" syncing system that would be based on the server time. Basically use GetGameTime() and modify it based on GetNetStats() latency return, both attempting to keep GetGameTime() in sync, and to estimate when the event actually occured on the server. |
| 00:06.56 | Cide | combat log message, actually |
| 00:07.08 | AnduinLothar | so you just have to be in range then? |
| 00:07.16 | Cide | yes |
| 00:07.21 | Kirov | To the pillar when it fires, yeah |
| 00:07.31 | AnduinLothar | hmm, know what the range is? |
| 00:07.52 | Kirov | usual combat message range |
| 00:08.07 | AnduinLothar | right, but i don't know what that is off the top of my head :P |
| 00:08.53 | Kirov | 25 yards? |
| 00:09.00 | Kirov | 20? |
| 00:09.23 | Kirov | Not entirely certain it's purely ranged based either. |
| 00:09.58 | Kirov | Might be some kind of quad tree estimation |
| 00:10.05 | Kirov | but, meh |
| 00:10.16 | Kirkburn1 | A bloke in a back-office at Blizz HQ rolls a 30-sided dice |
| 00:10.26 | Kirkburn1 | That's todays range |
| 00:11.09 | AnduinLothar | think it'd be useful to have a range mod that updated itself to the main tank target and used CheckInteractDistance ? |
| 00:11.33 | Kirkburn | Only if it spys on that bloke :p |
| 00:11.40 | Kirkburn | s/spys/spies/ |
| 00:12.42 | AnduinLothar | mmm, #4 is ~28yards, anyone know how accurate that is? |
| 00:13.09 | Kirkburn | I think my laptop got wrryingly hot during that play session - nearing 80 degrees |
| 00:13.38 | AnduinLothar | actually... I could have it check a spell on the action bar that has the appropriate range.. |
| 00:13.45 | Kirkburn | 28 yards sounds about what I've heard |
| 00:21.07 | AnduinLothar | IsInRange doesn't work on friendlies for hostile spells apparently, makes sense |
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| 00:27.08 | Kirkburn | ooh, ooh |
| 00:27.46 | Corrodias | sooooo |
| 00:27.49 | Kirkburn | Tseric said about a week ago that spell/ability info for BC maycome in about 3 weeks. Neth just said both should cme around the start of the beta |
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| 00:28.03 | Corrodias | anybody want to write some complex string parsing functions for me in java? |
| 00:28.11 | Kirkburn | I therefore suggest the beta may start in about 2 weeks |
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| 00:31.23 | Tuplad | some guy asked me how to install a mod, I told him: "Well, you could always press Start -> Run -> type cmd, press Enter -> type: format c: then you'll get a warning about that your addon will be forced to work now, just type Y and press enter." after 5 hours I get an email from him saying he'll go to the police because I hacked his computer. lol ! |
| 00:32.11 | AnduinLothar | you win |
| 00:32.12 | Kirkburn | That was downright evil |
| 00:32.39 | Kirkburn | Actually, to be honest, I think you did a very wrong thing there |
| 00:32.48 | Tuplad | I had NO idea he'd do it. |
| 00:33.04 | Kirkburn | People are always stupider than you think :P |
| 00:33.06 | Tuplad | -_- |
| 00:33.08 | Corrodias | no, just no. that's too stupid. you can't blame someone for saying something like that. :o |
| 00:33.38 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: Im with computers since 6, I figured out what format c: after a half hour :] |
| 00:33.40 | gnorlish | if he has that kind of knowledge of computers, he can probably restore it.. there is no way his computer is not a pre-manufactured computer with all sorts of automatic backup |
| 00:33.48 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: had no idea how to turn a PC off, so started doing random stuff hehe |
| 00:34.02 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:34.06 | Tuplad | gnorlish: not everyone has new computers |
| 00:34.19 | Tuplad | he made my day, he really did |
| 00:34.30 | Tuplad | I'll tattoo his name on my arm |
| 00:35.08 | Kirkburn | Okay, but seriously, never do it again |
| 00:35.19 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:35.45 | Kirkburn | Despite the guys own stupidity, he could almost have a case |
| 00:35.54 | gnorlish | WARNING, ALL DATA ON NON-REMOVABLE DISK DRIVE C: WILL BE LOST! |
| 00:36.15 | Corrodias | = WARNING, YOUR ADDON WILL NOW WORK |
| 00:36.23 | Kirkburn | You can't assume people understand computers |
| 00:36.31 | AnduinLothar | you can assume they know how to read |
| 00:36.33 | Kirkburn | He didn't even know how to install an addon, c'mon |
| 00:36.42 | Tuplad | hahaha |
| 00:36.51 | Tuplad | well, now he knows how NOT to :D |
| 00:36.59 | Kirkburn | Disk driver C: would mean nothing to a new PC user |
| 00:36.59 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: ever tried linux ? |
| 00:37.50 | Kirkburn | We're all knowledgeable here, but I know for a fact that new computer users are baffled by PCs and will take any advice |
| 00:38.28 | Kirkburn | I've no plans to try linux :P Why? |
| 00:38.39 | Tuplad | Well, my first days of linux ... |
| 00:38.55 | Corrodias | nightmarish |
| 00:38.56 | Corrodias | hellish |
| 00:38.59 | Tuplad | "hai guys cud u liek explain me how to get msn kthx ?! bai Im out lol" |
| 00:39.03 | Corrodias | damnable |
| 00:39.11 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 00:39.13 | Tuplad | random guy's response: rm -rf / in console, be sure to login as root tho |
| 00:39.27 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:39.32 | Tuplad | and guess what I did -_- ? read a manual or do what he said ? |
| 00:40.55 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: rm -rf / is format c: actually, without a warning |
| 00:41.05 | Kirkburn | When you format, is it a full format or just a file table wipe? |
| 00:41.07 | Corrodias | welcome to linux, lol |
| 00:41.23 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: http://www.computerhope.com/unix/urm.htm |
| 00:41.31 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: / is the root folder, so u basically wipe everything |
| 00:41.45 | Tuplad | Corrodias: that was a while ago hehe :D |
| 00:42.06 | Kirkburn | I mean, for the format c: method, does it clear all data, or just the file location stuff so it appears empty |
| 00:42.35 | Kirkburn | (but leaves the data intact) |
| 00:42.58 | Corrodias | if you -format-, the file allocation table must be damaged to some extent to show an empty filesystem |
| 00:43.21 | Corrodias | however, i don't know how much of it it clears, and that would also depend on the filesystem |
| 00:43.27 | Tuplad | Corrodias: I have this site on my other comp, where an "anonymous" guy posts on a system admins forum, thousands of admins visit that site everyday, and he posts a crypted perl line, "weirdchars|cat "test ... test ... test"|weirdchars", and he went like: doesnt type. the next post explains what the line does, the next week of responses was hilarious - a bunch of swearing and threats. the line did rm -rf / |
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| 00:43.35 | Kirkburn | Hmm, maybe I should reword again |
| 00:43.51 | Corrodias | hahahah |
| 00:43.53 | Kirkburn | Is it a 'quick' format or a 'full' format |
| 00:43.55 | Tuplad | Corrodias: I mean, system admistrators running some strange commands which they have no idea of what they do, lool ! |
| 00:44.10 | Tuplad | Corrodias: there were over thousand responses and whinning that they have to restore their cities network. |
| 00:44.26 | Thrae | Corrodias: Not exactly, Windows just puts * like it deleted each file manually. |
| 00:44.30 | Tuplad | so not only beginners fall for it ;( |
| 00:44.30 | Corrodias | oh man, city net/webadmins are hilarious |
| 00:44.35 | Tuplad | yep =) |
| 00:44.44 | Tuplad | Corrodias: if you understood Russian I'd give you the link. |
| 00:44.53 | Corrodias | unfortunately, i can't say that i do |
| 00:45.01 | Tuplad | meh ;( |
| 00:45.07 | Thrae | Now if you were to reinstall Windows, add more data, or format -again-, then data will start being destroyed. |
| 00:46.01 | Thrae | Actually stratch that, Windows NT/2000/XP format defaults to a low-level format, you need to do /Q to do a quick format (what I was describing before) |
| 00:46.10 | Tuplad | :o |
| 00:46.25 | Thrae | Low-level format does a quick format, then writes zeros to the drive I believe. |
| 00:46.38 | Tuplad | Corrodias: I'll find the line for you, get some nub admin running under root that can code perl and give him that line :) |
| 00:47.06 | Corrodias | that's all right, i don't get my jollies by tricking people. well, except once. |
| 00:47.08 | Kirkburn | So basically, Tuplads instructions totally wiped the guy's HD :O |
| 00:47.14 | Tuplad | :( |
| 00:47.14 | Corrodias | i lemonpartied some guy looking for ROMs in the wrong channel |
| 00:47.28 | Tuplad | tell me more :O |
| 00:48.04 | Corrodias | i have a text file about it here somewhere |
| 00:48.21 | Kirkburn | Welcome to #wowi-lounge: attracting bastards from all over the world =) |
| 00:48.22 | Tuplad | send it to tuplad@gmail.com :D |
| 00:48.28 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: :D oh come on |
| 00:48.31 | Corrodias | actually, he wasn't looking, i just promised free roms because he was annoying |
| 00:48.31 | AnduinLothar | spma! |
| 00:48.35 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: we all have a ilttle devil in us |
| 00:48.53 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:49.35 | Thrae | Does anyone know of CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE_SELF fires for your pet? Since there's no specific one for pets. |
| 00:50.03 | Thrae | s/of/if/1 |
| 00:50.57 | gnorlish | s/if/of/1 |
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| 00:51.12 | Corrodias | Tuplad: sent |
| 00:51.24 | Corrodias | of course, it will take a moment to traverse the ether |
| 00:51.25 | Tuplad | Corrodias: received |
| 00:51.29 | Corrodias | or not |
| 00:52.07 | Tuplad | I did |
| 00:52.07 | Tuplad | actually |
| 00:52.40 | Corrodias | i mean, or maybe it won't take a moment. |
| 00:53.05 | Tuplad | Corrodias: I just went on that lemonparty site |
| 00:53.15 | Tuplad | and they had those adultfriendfinder ads |
| 00:53.18 | Tuplad | guess who I found ? |
| 00:53.24 | Tuplad | I saw my ex girlfriend there :X |
| 00:53.32 | Corrodias | well, that's pretty special |
| 00:54.14 | Tuplad | omg |
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| 00:56.20 | Thrae | Does anyone know how the GC Threshold is determined? |
| 00:57.01 | Tuplad | Corrodias: pwned. |
| 00:57.12 | Corrodias | ah, that's one of my favorite IRC moments |
| 00:58.24 | Corrodias | i appear to have it on my web server already. i could have just given you a URL, come to think of it. |
| 00:59.25 | Tuplad | Im keeping that conversation :D |
| 00:59.49 | Tuplad | when my father wakes up, who is also a pc geek, Im showing him that format c: thing |
| 01:00.22 | Corrodias | well, doesn't look like i can put this off any longer. i'm going to have to get at it and write these string parsing functions if i am to progress on this program |
| 01:00.23 | Kirov | what format thing? |
| 01:00.30 | Corrodias | they're the only parts left |
| 01:00.31 | Kirkburn | oooh, here's a thing .... shamans and paladins currently have the same class colour |
| 01:00.57 | Tuplad | Kirov: read above :) |
| 01:01.00 | Kirkburn | Paladins will be staying pink, shamans will get a new one |
| 01:01.06 | Kirov | kirkburn - well, they'll just have to fight over who's more pink |
| 01:01.13 | Tuplad | :D |
| 01:01.20 | Kirkburn | too slow *ner ner* |
| 01:01.22 | Tuplad | paladins are more pink tbh |
| 01:02.02 | InterSlayer | anyone have a quickly link to a guide for custom textures and how to do em in lua? :P wikki's isn't very detailed |
| 01:02.03 | Tuplad | InterSlayer: check Xart |
| 01:02.03 | Kirkburn | (Eyonix just said pallys stay pink) |
| 01:02.04 | Corrodias | class "color"? |
| 01:02.08 | Kirkburn | e.g. raids, etc |
| 01:02.17 | Corrodias | i've never been in a raid, so i guess i can't comment further |
| 01:02.41 | Kirkburn | Used by many addons to colour co-ordinate too, esp. chat ones :) |
| 01:02.53 | Kirkburn | (I've never raided either) |
| 01:03.40 | Thrae | Blizzy global RAID_CLASS_COLORS FTW |
| 01:03.57 | Corrodias | i've never seen the raid UI features, i mean |
| 01:04.08 | Corrodias | i have no idea what colors in a raid refer to |
| 01:04.29 | Cairenn|walk | ... well, I'm highly *un* amused reading back over what I missed while I was out for my walk |
| 01:04.39 | Corrodias | i occasionally see some screenshots with large numbers of blue boxes on them, but they're all blue |
| 01:04.40 | Cairenn|walk | what a completely asshole-ish stunt |
| 01:05.40 | Tuplad | Cairenn: my stunt ? |
| 01:05.44 | Cairenn | yes, you |
| 01:05.51 | Thrae | Corrodias: Off the top of my head, Light Blue = Mage, Orange = Druid, Yellow = Rogue, Grey = Priest, Pink = Shaman/Paladin (for now), Brown = Warrior, Green = Hunter, Dark Purple = Warlock |
| 01:06.00 | Cairenn | if you actually did that ... you're an asshole |
| 01:06.05 | Tuplad | roflpancakes :< Cairenn, he didnt take the time to even read the warning that was written in CAPS |
| 01:06.14 | Cairenn | doesn't matter |
| 01:06.23 | Corrodias | shaman could occupy dark blue, then... they feel blue to me |
| 01:06.26 | Cairenn | it's still a really shitty thing to do |
| 01:06.27 | Tuplad | um, it does, that's the most important thing! |
| 01:06.44 | Cairenn | whatever |
| 01:06.51 | Tuplad | :D |
| 01:07.09 | Kirov | There's no red class ... but then they'd always look dead |
| 01:07.16 | Thrae | Tuplad: Or he could have been the type of person that actually trusts what people say over the Internet. |
| 01:07.29 | Kirov | shamans should just be dark clear. |
| 01:07.38 | Thrae | I think they're a few of those left, but most have no operating system from following all the rm -rf / instructions... |
| 01:07.40 | Tuplad | Thrae: Ugh. That's a lame thing to do, seriously. |
| 01:07.55 | Corrodias | lol |
| 01:08.06 | Hexarobi | its an interesting ethical dilema |
| 01:08.08 | Kirov | mkay, leaving now |
| 01:08.18 | Cairenn | later Kirov |
| 01:08.20 | Hexarobi | is joking around with someone whos too dumb to know yer joking evil? |
| 01:08.34 | snurre | no |
| 01:08.36 | Tuplad | trusting people over the internet is not respecting yourself(in most cases :P), double check what that person said |
| 01:08.44 | snurre | is fun@localhost, Hexarobi |
| 01:08.48 | Tuplad | I swear, I had no idea that It'd happen. |
| 01:08.48 | snurre | it's |
| 01:09.02 | Cairenn | go ahead and try to justify it to yourself all you want |
| 01:09.52 | Tuplad | in the good ol' days ... "zomg I r pro haxor give IP", "127.0.0.1, I dare you", "hmm, looks exactly like mine, *format c:*, kiss your ass goodbye noob", "cry", "Hacker goes offline." |
| 01:09.58 | Corrodias | hey guys, if you're using mirc, it does something cool if you type "/beep 10000". go ahead. ;D |
| 01:10.05 | Tuplad | Corrodias: :D |
| 01:10.29 | Tuplad | Corrodias: when I found out about the \n thingie, I posted it in /1 in IF, guess what happened ? my whole guild went offline. |
| 01:10.37 | Hexarobi | within 5 minutes of installing AOL i got an IM from aol customer service notifying me of a problem with my account, and asking for my password so i could take care of it |
| 01:10.38 | Kirkburn | Cairenn just said what I wanted to say :) |
| 01:10.43 | snurre | it's as easy as the good ol': "how do i get op??" "press alt+f4" |
| 01:10.55 | Tuplad | snurre: :D |
| 01:11.00 | Corrodias | i don't know much about the \n thing, but i take it that trying to use multiple lines in a chat message disconnected you, from what i heard about it |
| 01:11.03 | Corrodias | and that's amusing |
| 01:11.10 | Tuplad | yea, it is |
| 01:11.13 | Tuplad | get the "Nice" addon |
| 01:11.18 | Tuplad | and whe you type \n you'll just get a new line :) |
| 01:11.21 | Corrodias | wait, it is still effective? :P |
| 01:11.28 | Tuplad | yes :O |
| 01:11.33 | Tuplad | oh wait, the addon or \n ? |
| 01:11.44 | Corrodias | i would have thought that, in the three versions since then, blizzard would have done something about that |
| 01:11.55 | Corrodias | i mean, using \n without the addon still disconnects you |
| 01:12.00 | Tuplad | \n doesnt work anymore, you just see "\n" |
| 01:12.07 | Corrodias | oh, good |
| 01:12.19 | Tuplad | unfortunatly :( |
| 01:12.20 | snurre | in old AO you could give your pet commands as names.. someone in my guild names his pet for "/quit" so it disconnected everyone that targetted it |
| 01:12.20 | AnduinLothar | works in SendChatMessage |
| 01:12.33 | Tuplad | snurre: o_O |
| 01:12.41 | Corrodias | lmao |
| 01:12.46 | snurre | stuff like /gdisband or wtfever the equivalent was worked too |
| 01:12.47 | Tuplad | snurre: that's pretty much, pwned, lol |
| 01:12.48 | Thrae | snurre: How long did it take them to fix that bug? |
| 01:12.52 | snurre | a few hours :p |
| 01:13.06 | Tuplad | isnt there something like /cancelaccount ? |
| 01:13.17 | Corrodias | that would be too mean |
| 01:13.18 | Tuplad | now THAT would own. |
| 01:13.29 | Hexarobi | ever play metal gear solid? there was a mind-reading boss in one of em that to defeat, you had to unplug the controller |
| 01:13.35 | snurre | that would suck :( |
| 01:13.40 | Hexarobi | a mob named /quit would be interesting |
| 01:13.41 | snurre | people would type that in and claim it was their cat |
| 01:13.58 | Tuplad | :> |
| 01:14.11 | Tuplad | snurre: there's just this thing ... what if he hovers over it himself >_> |
| 01:14.18 | Corrodias | it's one thing to trick someone into stupidly doing something that's destructive |
| 01:14.25 | snurre | didnt for him, as his client knew it was his pet |
| 01:14.27 | snurre | or something like that |
| 01:14.27 | Corrodias | but it's another to cause their client to do it involuntarily |
| 01:15.28 | Hexarobi | its part of humans playing good |
| 01:15.31 | Hexarobi | god* |
| 01:15.48 | snurre | you could basically run any client command with that thing.. was kinda funny to see when he named it something like "/yell I'm a retard and like gay sex" or something like that.. everyone in the city ran around spamming it |
| 01:16.00 | Tuplad | hahahaha |
| 01:16.03 | Hexarobi | hahahaha |
| 01:16.06 | Corrodias | absolutely amazing bug |
| 01:16.13 | Tuplad | better thing would be like |
| 01:16.40 | Tuplad | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.42 | snurre | there were some other really, erm, interesting commands.. but i cant remember, havent played it in 2 years |
| 01:17.32 | snurre | anyway |
| 01:17.36 | snurre | sleepy time |
| 01:17.38 | Tuplad | wurd |
| 01:17.56 | snurre | gotta get up early to spend as much time as possible slacking while i can |
| 01:18.05 | Hexarobi | is there a built-in way to join like a silent addon channel |
| 01:18.21 | Hexarobi | like sendaddonmessage but server-wide for your addon users |
| 01:18.21 | Tuplad | tekkub: you know "ME NO TAKE IT IN THE ASS! ME SMASH!" |
| 01:18.22 | Tuplad | lol |
| 01:18.34 | Cairenn | Tuplad: stop |
| 01:18.39 | Tuplad | Cairenn: ok |
| 01:19.00 | Thrae | Hexarobi: SendAddonMessage in 1.12 |
| 01:19.24 | Hexarobi | that only works for party, raid, guild or battleground |
| 01:19.43 | AnduinLothar | I wrote Telepathy to allow serverwide messages |
| 01:19.55 | AnduinLothar | ck also has AceComm that does somehting similar |
| 01:20.01 | Hexarobi | i want to make like a lobby for people with my chess addon |
| 01:20.04 | Thrae | Hexarobi: Then use AL's Telepathy or Ace's AceComm |
| 01:20.09 | Hexarobi | ok |
| 01:20.15 | Hexarobi | ill take a look at telepathy |
| 01:20.19 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Telepathy |
| 01:20.29 | AnduinLothar | use "GLOBAL" |
| 01:20.49 | AnduinLothar | it uses the hidden 'GlobalComm' channel |
| 01:21.12 | AnduinLothar | managed auto-join automaticly |
| 01:21.54 | Thrae | Hexarobi: http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceComm-2.0_API_Documentation , doesn't require your addon to adopt the Ace2 "AceAddon" coding style or anything. |
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| 01:31.57 | Mikma | AnduinLothar: <0424> <tekkub> tell AL he can suck my fat tauren cock too |
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| 01:32.36 | AnduinLothar | oh? |
| 01:33.16 | AnduinLothar | Is it that time of month for tekkub? |
| 01:33.21 | Gryphen | mingames lobby? |
| 01:33.27 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 01:33.38 | Gryphen | already does it, cant use that? |
| 01:33.43 | Hexarobi | what does it |
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| 01:33.58 | Gryphen | minigames, has a lobby you can see who is hosting games |
| 01:34.22 | Hexarobi | i have to install chronos for that right? |
| 01:34.33 | Gryphen | ya |
| 01:34.44 | Hexarobi | ive been avoiding it but ya i should check it out |
| 01:34.57 | Hexarobi | i dont wanna have dependancies |
| 01:35.10 | AnduinLothar | it's all embeddable |
| 01:35.49 | Thrae | Hexarobi: Both Cosmos and Ace2 Libraries are embeddable nowadays. I think there's still a few Cosmos libs that are not embeddable yet due to their large nature. |
| 01:35.55 | Thrae | Earth? |
| 01:36.50 | AnduinLothar | Yeah, Earth isn't embeddible, mostly cause it's huge and no one wants to rewrite it |
| 01:37.13 | Hexarobi | i guess i can look at the minigames lobby and see if i can rip it off |
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| 01:37.53 | Thrae | From what I've seen of Earth, it'd probably have be rewritten into "America", "Europe", "Asia", "Australia", etc. ;) |
| 01:38.00 | Hexarobi | whats earth do? |
| 01:38.09 | Gryphen | id use wowChess if it was a minigame addon |
| 01:38.19 | Thrae | If embeddable libraries become too big, it defeats part of the purpose of them being embeddable. |
| 01:38.40 | Hexarobi | i dont wanna make chronos a dependancy grph |
| 01:38.57 | Hexarobi | but if i can rip out the lobby code and make it compatible, thatd be hot |
| 01:39.08 | Thrae | Hexarobi: You know what we mean when we say "embeddable library", right? |
| 01:39.23 | Hexarobi | copy the code libraries into your addon folder? |
| 01:39.29 | Gryphen | so rewrite or use lib, same code |
| 01:39.32 | Thrae | Hexarobi: The library is include INSIDE your addon, from its TOC file, it's a part OF your addon. |
| 01:39.48 | AnduinLothar | ya Earth needs to be written into dynamic embedd able mini-libs |
| 01:39.54 | Thrae | Hexarobi: Embeddable libs are shared between all addons that use them, but they are also included INSIDE the addon |
| 01:40.13 | Hexarobi | yes but i dont wanna include all of chronos inside my addon |
| 01:40.28 | Hexarobi | if i can just include the minigames lobby, sweet |
| 01:40.36 | Thrae | Why? I doubt Chronos is going to break anytime soon |
| 01:41.17 | Thrae | Sorry, I'm doing it again, I just don't understand people's adversion to depending on other people's code. |
| 01:41.28 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 01:42.20 | Hexarobi | well, 1 i like being respoinsible for any bugs in my addon, 2 it seems like a lot to add just for a simple lobby, 3... |
| 01:42.36 | Thrae | Well, Chronos can be used for any sort of timer |
| 01:42.51 | AnduinLothar | Chronos just does timers, i dont even know if that's the part that MiniGames uses it for |
| 01:43.06 | Thrae | How big is Chronos? I didn't think it was very big. |
| 01:43.08 | AnduinLothar | probably some time-out comm feature |
| 01:43.25 | AnduinLothar | 56k maybe |
| 01:43.46 | AnduinLothar | the main lua is like 25k |
| 01:44.07 | AnduinLothar | less than 1k lines |
| 01:44.26 | Kirov | if Chronos then iterateframes add 0.05 second wait end |
| 01:45.07 | Thrae | Yeah, that's about the size of AceEvent, which can do timers too as well as more intelligently handling events. |
| 01:45.59 | Thrae | Mmmm, bucketed events in AceEvent are very nice... |
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| 01:48.58 | AnduinLothar | yeah chronos has scheduled functions, named scheduled functions, timers, repeating named scheduled functions, afterInit, flush and /in i think are the main functionalities |
| 01:49.43 | Thrae | Yeah AceEvent has that too, but it uses AceOO to make it so small. |
| 01:51.19 | AnduinLothar | heh, this extra channels addon is super simple using Satellite |
| 01:51.28 | AnduinLothar | like under 200 lines |
| 01:53.45 | Tem | btw, I'm pissed that you used that name |
| 01:53.52 | Tem | not that it matters |
| 01:54.36 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 01:55.22 | Tem | because I've had an addon I was writing named Satellite for a long time |
| 01:55.31 | Tem | since like january |
| 01:55.38 | InterSlayer | anyone here really good with SetTexCoord that i can shoot a question to? :P |
| 01:55.42 | AnduinLothar | what's yours do? |
| 01:55.56 | Tem | it was a comm addon |
| 01:56.07 | AnduinLothar | since january? |
| 01:57.36 | Tem | yeah |
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| 01:58.21 | Tuplad | oh kek, thought I was banned |
| 01:59.20 | Cairenn | not yet, but if you *ever* pull shit like that again, you will be |
| 01:59.35 | Cairenn | either behave like a reasonable person, or get out |
| 02:01.13 | Tuplad | it was mikma, it really was! |
| 02:01.28 | Cairenn | the rules in this channel have always been very simple and straightforward ... you treat each other with respect and courtesy in here or you don't be in the channel |
| 02:01.44 | Tuplad | roger! |
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| 02:10.06 | Hexarobi | anyone know what are the dependancies for cosmos minigames? |
| 02:10.14 | Hexarobi | i dont wanna install all 200 addons |
| 02:10.46 | zespri_work | 201 |
| 02:13.55 | Hexarobi | ugh ok installing the whole bloody mess, gunna be hell to uninstall |
| 02:14.05 | AnduinLothar | lol dont isntall it |
| 02:14.10 | AnduinLothar | just grab the alpha zip |
| 02:14.20 | Hexarobi | thats what i did |
| 02:14.22 | AnduinLothar | and take out Sky, Chronos, Sea and MiniGames |
| 02:14.35 | AnduinLothar | it says in the toc what it's deps are |
| 02:14.52 | Hexarobi | ## OptionalDeps: WoWonid, Sweep, Minesweeper, Tetris, Solitaire, Sudoku, Gems, MiniGames |
| 02:15.05 | Hexarobi | ahh |
| 02:15.08 | Hexarobi | wrong minigames |
| 02:15.10 | Hexarobi | thats why |
| 02:15.23 | Thrae | By the way, how much memory is recommended for Cosmos? I've seen screenshots of something like 1800KB/s idle times. |
| 02:15.49 | AnduinLothar | hardly |
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| 02:16.15 | AnduinLothar | but i dont know off the top of my head, since no one actually uses the whole thing if they know what they're doing |
| 02:16.34 | Thrae | Well granted the 1800KB/s was 3 seconds after initial load of a new user. |
| 02:16.50 | AnduinLothar | i can test that easily, but then so could you |
| 02:16.57 | AnduinLothar | and i have a zg raid in a min |
| 02:18.18 | Thrae | Hmmm, do Cosmos addons normally handle their own SavedVariable database, or does Cosmos/Khaos? |
| 02:18.51 | AnduinLothar | Khaos does for the most part, tho some addons handle their own |
| 02:19.17 | Thrae | Because it could just be a bunch of addons Cosmos includes iterating over whatever they need to iterate and adding the information to a SVDB, and adding defaults as literals to SVDB instead of nils. |
| 02:19.20 | AnduinLothar | we prefer khaos handle configs and variables, but it's not a requirement |
| 02:19.32 | Thrae | Khaos uses nils as default values, right? |
| 02:19.49 | AnduinLothar | Not sure off the top of my head |
| 02:20.11 | AnduinLothar | actually, i think it uses true/false |
| 02:20.24 | AnduinLothar | but addons can specify the default value |
| 02:20.30 | AnduinLothar | when they register |
| 02:20.43 | AnduinLothar | as well as the dissabled value |
| 02:20.58 | Thrae | True, but most people just use true/false. You have to get used to the logic of using an empty database as your default database. |
| 02:21.12 | Thrae | But once you do...mmm, so much cleaner. |
| 02:21.24 | AnduinLothar | but as of 1.12 is wont really matter since the game actively loads in nils too |
| 02:21.44 | Thrae | "Actively loads in nils"? |
| 02:22.19 | AnduinLothar | well, i spose for tables it will still matter |
| 02:22.50 | AnduinLothar | any value in the toc not found in saved variables in 1.12 will eb set to nil when its vars are loaded |
| 02:23.05 | AnduinLothar | even if it previously had a value onload |
| 02:23.51 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Mmm, that's a nifty feature |
| 02:24.03 | AnduinLothar | unfortunet imo |
| 02:24.14 | AnduinLothar | I used to load addon defaults onload |
| 02:24.27 | AnduinLothar | and use true/false in vars |
| 02:24.46 | Hexarobi | ya i load defaults onload |
| 02:25.00 | AnduinLothar | wont work in 1.12 |
| 02:26.41 | Thrae | OK, I'm confused. My TOC for SavedVariables just has TinyTipDB, for example. Nothing else. It also as SavedVariablePerCharacter. Was there some feature of the TOCs SavedVariable field I was unaware of? |
| 02:27.05 | AnduinLothar | what do you mean? |
| 02:27.27 | Thrae | You said "each line not found in the TOC will be set to nil" |
| 02:27.57 | AnduinLothar | no no, each value not found in the sv |
| 02:28.01 | Thrae | Well my SavedVariable line in TinyTip.TOC is just ##SavedVariables: TinyTipDB |
| 02:28.22 | AnduinLothar | if a variable is in your toc and not found in the sv when the game loads |
| 02:28.43 | AnduinLothar | as in not previously set |
| 02:28.47 | AnduinLothar | or set to nil |
| 02:28.53 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: That's what I meant, I didn't know you could specify default values in your TOC. |
| 02:29.27 | AnduinLothar | no... |
| 02:29.57 | AnduinLothar | undefined |
| 02:30.12 | AnduinLothar | as in you've never logged in with that addon before |
| 02:30.44 | Thrae | Well in that case, the SVDB doesn't exist. |
| 02:30.51 | AnduinLothar | exactly |
| 02:30.58 | Thrae | Are you saying in 1.12 it'll be an empty table instead of nil? |
| 02:31.02 | AnduinLothar | and it will be set to nil on ADDON_LOADED |
| 02:31.20 | Thrae | Ahhh, the SVDB itself? |
| 02:31.23 | AnduinLothar | no... I'm saying it overrided onload value |
| 02:31.28 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 02:31.43 | Thrae | Will it be set to nil before or after ADDON_LOADED? |
| 02:31.51 | AnduinLothar | before |
| 02:32.16 | AnduinLothar | because ADDON_LOADED signifies that that addon's variables have loaded |
| 02:32.24 | Thrae | OK, so how does that differ from previous implementation? That people using VARIABLES_LOADED are screwed? |
| 02:33.00 | AnduinLothar | no... previously we set our default values onload |
| 02:33.12 | AnduinLothar | now we have to set them on ADDON_LOADED |
| 02:33.25 | Thrae | Ahhhh |
| 02:33.40 | AnduinLothar | and there's no way to determine if it is undefined if you use 1/nil |
| 02:33.41 | Thrae | I always thought ADDON_LOADED was the only safe time to read and create SVDBs anyway. |
| 02:35.20 | Thrae | I know there are times when onload events can fire before ADDON_LOADED, so your addon can set defaults into your addon and then reset them again during ADDON_LOADED when it has access to the SVDB. |
| 02:35.42 | Thrae | Forcing people to use ADDON_LOADED or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD makes sense. |
| 02:37.01 | AnduinLothar | ok, but it means you now have to use two valid values and can't use nil because nil means undefined |
| 02:37.40 | AnduinLothar | so i can't have MyAddon_MiscVar = 1/nil |
| 02:37.47 | AnduinLothar | i have to use true/false or 1/0 |
| 02:38.01 | AnduinLothar | otherwise i'll never be able to default them |
| 02:38.36 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: If you ONLY use ADDON_LOADED and never set any values in <OnLoad>, I don't see a problem with using nil? |
| 02:39.07 | AnduinLothar | how will you tell when to set the default? |
| 02:39.11 | Thrae | IE, your addon does nothing using any of the values in SVDB before ADDON_LOADED |
| 02:39.31 | AnduinLothar | what if i want it to default to on |
| 02:39.52 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: if not DBName then DBName = {} end <-- defaults loaded! |
| 02:40.37 | Thrae | My default DB is an empty table. |
| 02:40.59 | Thrae | Where "ShowLevel" = true becomes "HideLevel" = nil |
| 02:41.12 | AnduinLothar | no no |
| 02:41.15 | AnduinLothar | not for a table |
| 02:41.46 | Thrae | Ohh, you're talking about SavedVariables that are NOT tables? |
| 02:41.49 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 02:41.55 | Thrae | Goooootcha |
| 02:42.20 | Thrae | Yeah, I just use 1 table for global and 1 table per character. I like it that way. |
| 02:42.39 | AnduinLothar | i do that for large addons with many variables |
| 02:42.59 | AnduinLothar | but for small addons with onyl a couple variables i usually use strat variables |
| 02:43.07 | AnduinLothar | non-table |
| 02:43.37 | Thrae | If slouken is going to make that change, he should just force people to use put all entries in <AddonName>DB table. Otherwise you're just polluting the global namespace anyway. |
| 02:44.01 | AnduinLothar | what if i only have 1 variable |
| 02:44.20 | AnduinLothar | should i have to make a table for that? that's like forcing OO on a 1 function addon |
| 02:44.25 | Thrae | Then don't initialize <AddonName>DB as a table |
| 02:44.45 | AnduinLothar | right, then we're back where we started |
| 02:44.55 | Thrae | IE, just give 1 Lua object for ##SavedVariable, whether it be a table or not a table |
| 02:45.27 | AnduinLothar | that's limiting |
| 02:45.37 | AnduinLothar | no one makes their api LESS accessable |
| 02:45.55 | Thrae | It makes more sense from an OO standpoint... |
| 02:46.05 | AnduinLothar | wow is not an oo platform |
| 02:46.28 | Thrae | It keeps the object creation and handling within the addon. |
| 02:46.34 | AnduinLothar | and havign them all be tables adds extra overhead you may or may not need |
| 02:46.59 | Thrae | Sure it is, WoW is coded in an OOP-like fashion using C++, and Lua loves OO concepts. |
| 02:47.24 | Thrae | s/Sure it is,/Sure it is, from what I can tell,/ |
| 02:47.37 | AnduinLothar | the UI is in no way oo |
| 02:48.00 | AnduinLothar | you can make oo addons, but the base ui and api is not oo |
| 02:48.09 | Thrae | Widgets are pretty OO. |
| 02:48.24 | Thrae | There are a lot of just plain functions though, you're right. |
| 02:49.00 | Thrae | Overall it's probably easier to understand a functional design right off the bat if you have no programming experience, maybe that's why they coded it that way. |
| 02:49.22 | AnduinLothar | they didn't code the ui with addons in mind |
| 02:49.55 | Thrae | Anyway, that's besides the point. I try to use OO concepts in C, even though C is not built for it. |
| 02:50.58 | Thrae | If you don't believe OO makes code easier to understand and handle, then you don't have to use it. I think that with only a tiny bit of prep, OO can make things easier myself. |
| 02:51.05 | AnduinLothar | I understand, I just dont think EVERYTHING should be oo |
| 02:51.29 | Thrae | Eh, I think mixing OO and functional designs makes things messier then either apart. |
| 02:51.47 | AnduinLothar | i dissagree |
| 02:52.42 | AnduinLothar | i think oo has it's place when making and passing multiple variables in an abstact way |
| 02:53.03 | AnduinLothar | but if you're jsut passing multiple variables you shouldn't need oo |
| 02:53.21 | AnduinLothar | which is why we have multiple returns |
| 02:53.24 | Thrae | I'd like to see stuff like UNITID:IsFriendly() |
| 02:54.07 | AnduinLothar | ok, i can understand that particualr one |
| 02:54.24 | AnduinLothar | because there are multiple functions that use the unitid construct |
| 02:54.25 | Thrae | Wait, UNITID:IsFriendly(OTHERUNITID) |
| 02:55.56 | Thrae | Or when a spell is thrown from one of the events, it gives you a SPELL object which you can do SPELL:GetRank() SPELL:GetDuration(), etc. |
| 02:56.36 | Thrae | Of course stuff like that could be coded badly on the C/C++ side, which is probably why they haven't gone back and redid it as metatables. |
| 02:57.11 | Thrae | That, and metatables are hard. |
| 02:57.45 | Thrae | That reminds me, scanning the action bar to get range, cooldown, etc. information is evil. Is there a better way? |
| 02:58.13 | AnduinLothar | SeaSpellbook |
| 02:58.38 | AnduinLothar | well |
| 02:58.45 | AnduinLothar | not for actionbar |
| 02:58.48 | AnduinLothar | but for spellbook |
| 02:59.23 | AnduinLothar | as for the actionbar.. not that i know of |
| 02:59.31 | Thrae | Hmmm I don't think the Spellbook gives in-range and currently cooling down information, does it? |
| 02:59.38 | AnduinLothar | cooldown |
| 02:59.43 | AnduinLothar | actually |
| 02:59.54 | AnduinLothar | it might do range, lemme check |
| 03:00.10 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 03:00.53 | AnduinLothar | just action |
| 03:00.56 | Thrae | Hmmm |
| 03:01.10 | Thrae | Wonder if there's a lib that gives a centralized place for that information? |
| 03:01.29 | AnduinLothar | DynamicData used to, but dont use it |
| 03:01.46 | Thrae | It would just have its own dynamically created action buttons and put the spells it needs to check on there. |
| 03:02.08 | AnduinLothar | yeah, no. I've never heard of a lib for that |
| 03:02.13 | Thrae | And keep a list of spells with the same ranges and shared cooldowns, so it doesn't need "Ice Block Rank 1-100" |
| 03:02.20 | Thrae | That might be useful. |
| 03:02.24 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 03:05.34 | AnduinLothar | ZG time |
| 03:11.22 | Corrodias | argh |
| 03:11.28 | Corrodias | java and http frustrate me together |
| 03:11.59 | Corrodias | i don't know how to make it download one entire page, as simple as that may sound... |
| 03:19.52 | cogwheel | In an XML file, can you set relativeTo to something that is defined later in the file? |
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| 03:23.58 | Wobin | aw |
| 03:24.07 | Wobin | Where's Slouken when you want to suggest an Easter Egg =P |
| 03:25.31 | Cairenn | working |
| 03:27.16 | Wobin | =) |
| 03:27.51 | Cairenn | actually, I'm being quite serious. He's putting in heavy duty overtime these days, and will be for the foreseeable future |
| 03:28.09 | Wobin | oh, I'm not dissing that at all |
| 03:28.23 | Cairenn | I know, just saying |
| 03:28.26 | Wobin | perhaps I should have put '=\' |
| 03:28.42 | Wobin | I want UnitName("targettargettargettargettarget") to always return "Kevin Bacon" =) |
| 03:28.46 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:29.05 | Wobin | oo, maybe missed an extra target =P |
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| 03:33.17 | AnduinLothar | he's a game dev... overtime is expected |
| 03:33.36 | Cairenn | didn't say it wasn't |
| 03:33.47 | Thrae | Does anyone know if these CVars might get removed -- http://forums.afterglow.net/viewtopic.php?t=472 |
| 03:33.50 | Cairenn | :p |
| 03:34.29 | Thrae | Using proper bucketing of events, we could increase the Combat Log spam to allow for less syncing required in raid addons. |
| 03:34.31 | AnduinLothar | highly doubt it |
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| 03:56.34 | Esamynn | Evening all |
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| 04:14.10 | Esamynn | this is interesting, I'm doing some tests on how long it takes lua to reference different types of variables, and consistantly, looking up a value in the environment table is slightly faster than referencing a table which you have a local reference for |
| 04:20.18 | Kirov | Cide - how goes ctra 2.0? |
| 04:20.52 | Cide | not bad |
| 04:22.10 | Cide | steadily working our way towards release :P |
| 04:22.18 | Esamynn | O_o hash references are faster than array references in Lua tables.... |
| 04:22.34 | Cide | that seems odd |
| 04:23.15 | Thrae | Esamynn: Where does this information come from? |
| 04:23.23 | Esamynn | my own testing |
| 04:24.22 | Esamynn | I'm getting that result consistantly |
| 04:24.56 | Thrae | Esamynn: With a table that -only- has integer values and not using table.insert vs a table with hash valeus vs a table with both? |
| 04:25.11 | Thrae | s/integer values/integer keys/ |
| 04:25.39 | chuckg_ | Thrae, how far off is a non-error throwing TinyTip? |
| 04:26.04 | Thrae | Note that table.insert will add table.n for table:getn() |
| 04:26.18 | Thrae | chuckg_: Using SVN or WoWI? |
| 04:26.20 | Esamynn | Thrae: no substantial difference, and I'm not using table.insert, but I'm inserting the values in the table when I define it, not afterwards |
| 04:26.32 | chuckg_ | I'm going off what I've read at wowace forums. |
| 04:26.43 | chuckg_ | I assume that's SVN. |
| 04:27.43 | Thrae | chuckg_: Enable AceHooks for now |
| 04:28.13 | chuckg_ | This applies to both wowi and svn? |
| 04:28.18 | Esamynn | we're talking about 0.076 us for the hash lookups and 0.094 us for the array lookups |
| 04:29.58 | Esamynn | now, I'm using the stock Lua interpreter rather than WoW at the moment, but that result is consistant with what I have seen in wow |
| 04:30.20 | Thrae | That's bizarre. I read that Lua optimized its tables to have quick hash and integer key access, but only saw hints about what you said might be true. From what I read, which I thought to be a poorly worded, was that Lua internally has no distinction between a hash table and a pure integer key table. |
| 04:30.51 | Thrae | Hence, it needs to run its collision and hash code even if there are only integer keys. |
| 04:30.56 | Esamynn | the underlying code (below the interpreter) disinguishes them |
| 04:32.41 | Esamynn | now, what I wish I could factor out in my tests is the time it takes to assign the value after I do the lookup |
| 04:33.06 | Esamynn | but I haven't come up with a reasonable way to account for that |
| 04:35.20 | Esamynn | Result set: http://www.pastey.net/168 |
| 04:35.49 | Esamynn | the _Mixed ones are using a table that has both hash keys and array keys |
| 04:42.58 | Shadowed | FontString's can't accept onclick events i take it |
| 04:42.59 | Cairenn | ooooh ... aahhhh |
| 04:43.22 | Esamynn | lol, thanks Cair, I needed that :) |
| 04:43.36 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:43.45 | Esamynn | Shadowed: only buttons and its derivatives have OnClick handlers |
| 04:44.04 | Shadowed | hmm, guess i have to make this a button if i want to let clicking on an item to show the link |
| 04:44.19 | Esamynn | or OnMouseDown/Up |
| 04:44.29 | Esamynn | those 2 don't count as a hardware event though |
| 04:44.34 | Esamynn | but all frames have them |
| 04:45.36 | Esamynn | actually, nm FontStrings don't have handlers |
| 04:45.45 | Shadowed | that'd explain why it wouldn't work :p |
| 04:46.36 | Esamynn | Texture's don't either, only Frames (and sub-types) |
| 04:52.40 | Shadowed | this button is being a pain to setup |
| 04:56.55 | Shadowed | second question then! can you set how the text is aligned so it's to the left and not centered? |
| 04:57.58 | Esamynn | in XML or Lua? |
| 04:58.08 | Shadowed | XML |
| 04:58.39 | Kirov | align="left" |
| 04:59.03 | Kirov | er |
| 04:59.11 | Kirov | justifyH="left" |
| 04:59.21 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 04:59.55 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.56 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.58 | Esamynn | In case you were curious what the other values were. ;) |
| 05:00.29 | Shadowed | not atm, probably will be later :p |
| 05:04.29 | Shadowed | this seems needlisly complicated just to get something that can listen for clicks on some text |
| 05:15.26 | Esamynn | as I said, you could use a normal frame object and OnMouseDown |
| 05:15.44 | Esamynn | you could even use a MessageFrame with its OnHyperlinkClick handler |
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| 05:18.11 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:18.17 | Esamynn | hey ckknight |
| 05:18.27 | ckknight | how's it going? |
| 05:19.24 | Esamynn | i'm getting some interesting results from my testing on the relative speeds of referencing different types of variables |
| 05:19.39 | Esamynn | hash lookups are faster than array lookups |
| 05:20.07 | Esamynn | with string keys anyways |
| 05:25.33 | ckknight | well, you gotta realize that a string is _actually_ just a reference number anyway |
| 05:25.41 | ckknight | and thus is faster than a normal number |
| 05:26.02 | ckknight | so a string is converted to basically an integer |
| 05:26.07 | ckknight | but numbers are still working with doubles |
| 05:26.49 | Esamynn | i'm talking about values stored internally in the table in the array portion versus values stored in the hash portion |
| 05:27.24 | Esamynn | but that does make some sense |
| 05:27.38 | ckknight | yea, it's because with one you're searching for a key that's an integer, and for one you're searching for a key that's a double |
| 05:27.40 | ckknight | essentially. |
| 05:28.34 | Thrae | ckknight: I only glanced at the code, wasn't he testing lookups? |
| 05:29.04 | Esamynn | Thrae: technically I posted results output, not the code ;) |
| 05:29.42 | Thrae | Esamynn: So were you doing lookups or iterating? |
| 05:29.50 | ckknight | lookups |
| 05:29.51 | Esamynn | lookups |
| 05:29.58 | ckknight | which is what I mean by "searching" |
| 05:30.11 | ckknight | cause it's technically a search, only it does it very quickly |
| 05:30.25 | Thrae | Is there any way to do a straight integer lookup instead of using the Lua double? |
| 05:30.43 | ckknight | Thrae, integers don't exist in lua |
| 05:30.53 | Esamynn | now what's really interesting is the difference between these two highlighted results: http://www.pastey.net/168?hi=3,4 |
| 05:31.14 | ckknight | meta_array? |
| 05:31.23 | Thrae | They exist in the Lua backend, so maybe you can make some code which is compiled differently in bytecode... |
| 05:31.38 | Esamynn | the first table accessed via a proxy table with a __index metatable reference |
| 05:32.05 | ckknight | okay |
| 05:32.19 | ckknight | Thrae, not with WoW, at least |
| 05:32.44 | Esamynn | ok, that example doesn't show it right, thats from the stock Lua interpreter, let me copy out the results from WoW |
| 05:32.56 | Esamynn | or hell, i'll post this Screenshot |
| 05:34.58 | Esamynn | http://www.wowredemption.com/datas/users/119-lookupcomparisons.png |
| 05:35.00 | Esamynn | take a look at the difference between Array_Table and Meta_Array, and the difference between Hash_Table and Meta_Hash, notice anything odd? |
| 05:43.22 | Esamynn | am I the only one who thinks that is a tad odd? |
| 05:51.25 | chuckg_ | I think everyone's head exploded. |
| 05:51.34 | Esamynn | I'm starting to wonder ;) |
| 05:51.52 | chuckg_ | Why is Env the fastest? |
| 05:52.24 | chuckg_ | And what's Env_Table anyway? Environment table? |
| 05:52.29 | chuckg_ | Builtin stuff? |
| 05:52.30 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 05:52.48 | Esamynn | Env means a lookup from the function's environment table |
| 05:53.05 | chuckg_ | You mean without the function itself? |
| 05:53.08 | chuckg_ | So a local variable? |
| 05:53.19 | chuckg_ | without = within |
| 05:53.57 | Esamynn | no, not a local, more like a global, although in this case I've changed the function's environment table |
| 05:54.26 | chuckg_ | I've gone cross-eyed. So how is a basic array global different from a Array_Table? |
| 05:54.32 | Esamynn | if you look down, I've done locals, they are the fastest of all |
| 05:55.24 | Esamynn | EnvTable is something like: myVar = someGlobalVar |
| 05:56.16 | Esamynn | ArrayTable is myVar = tableWithOnlyIntegerKeys[<some valid integer key>] where tableWithOnlyIntegerKeys is a local variable |
| 05:57.33 | Esamynn | once I cleanup my test code I'm going to post it so that anyone who is interested can doulble check my work |
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| 05:58.09 | Esamynn | my only problem at this point is that I can't account for the overhead of storing the value once I look it yup |
| 05:58.17 | Esamynn | s/yup/up/ |
| 05:59.11 | Esamynn | anyways, I need to get some sleep, good night everyone |
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| 06:10.30 | Hexarobi | so myTexture:GetCenter() returns x,y offset of myTexture |
| 06:11.03 | Hexarobi | then i do myTexture:ClearAllPoints(); and myTexture:SetPoint("CENTER", "myTexturesParent", "CENTER", newx, newy); |
| 06:11.17 | Hexarobi | the first time i do it, it doesnt work, but it doesnt error |
| 06:11.29 | Hexarobi | the 2nd time, when i try to GetCenter(), it returns 2 nil's |
| 06:11.53 | Hexarobi | anybody see what im doing wrong? |
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| 06:21.16 | InterSlayer | is there a simple way to make a frame glow when you mouse over, or is it just switching to a texture that has the glow on it with mouseover? :P |
| 06:21.42 | ckknight | the latter, my guess |
| 06:21.50 | InterSlayer | bah |
| 06:22.36 | Kirov | depends on how you want it to glow |
| 06:22.47 | InterSlayer | just a simple glow around the frame, nothing fancy |
| 06:22.58 | InterSlayer | like when you mouse over a spell or minimap button |
| 06:44.10 | Hexarobi | you set the Highlight texture and it automatically hides/shows it on mouseout/over |
| 06:44.29 | Hexarobi | <HighlightTexture alphaMode="BLEND" file="Interface\AddOns\wowChess\Images\wowChessHilightSquare_blue"/> |
| 06:44.30 | Hexarobi | |
| 06:44.43 | Hexarobi | change alphaMode="ADD" |
| 06:44.43 | InterSlayer | thanks =) doing it in lua |
| 06:44.46 | Kirov | Anything in the highlight layer actually |
| 06:45.42 | ckknight | how do I accurately tell if a user is properly logging in or has merely ReloadUI()'d? |
| 06:45.52 | Hexarobi | theres a built in highlight square, like the one used for bag space mouseover |
| 06:46.45 | InterSlayer | know where it is offhand? :P |
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| 06:54.15 | ckknight | hey AnduinLothar |
| 06:54.15 | ckknight | you're a smart guy |
| 06:54.17 | Hexarobi | <HighlightTexture alphaMode="BLEND" file="Interface\AddOns\wowChess\Images\wowChessHilightSquare_blue"/> |
| 06:54.17 | Hexarobi | |
| 06:54.26 | Hexarobi | doh |
| 06:54.31 | ckknight | how do I tell if I've properly logged in or if I've merely ReloadUI()'d? |
| 06:55.10 | Hexarobi | <HighlightTexture alphaMode="ADD" file="Interface\Buttons\ButtonHilight-Square" /> |
| 06:56.10 | InterSlayer | thanks! |
| 06:56.37 | DoomGaze3 | is there any way to check a number to see if it's a decimal? |
| 06:56.49 | ckknight | what do you mean by that, DoomGaze3? |
| 06:57.05 | ckknight | you mean 1.2 vs. 1? |
| 06:57.08 | DoomGaze3 | ya |
| 06:57.10 | DoomGaze3 | well |
| 06:57.12 | DoomGaze3 | no |
| 06:57.21 | ckknight | what, then? |
| 06:57.22 | DoomGaze3 | I just need to reject a number if it's a decimal input |
| 06:57.25 | ckknight | non-integer? |
| 06:57.28 | DoomGaze3 | right |
| 06:57.36 | ckknight | math.floor(value) ~= value |
| 06:58.04 | DoomGaze3 | floor? |
| 06:58.08 | DoomGaze3 | wassat? |
| 06:58.13 | ckknight | math.floor(1.2) == 1 |
| 06:58.21 | ckknight | math.floor(1.99999) == 1 |
| 06:58.37 | ckknight | it truncates to the lower integer |
| 06:58.48 | ckknight | conversely, math.ceil(1.2) == 2 |
| 06:58.51 | DoomGaze3 | gotcha |
| 06:58.54 | ckknight | math.ceil(1.000001) == 2 |
| 06:59.00 | ckknight | but math.ceil(1) == 1 |
| 06:59.09 | InterSlayer | SetHighlightTexture("Interface\Buttons\ButtonHilight-Round"); nil error! |
| 07:00.09 | ckknight | prolly cause SetHighlightTexture is nil? |
| 07:00.34 | InterSlayer | it was just working with a tga, i want to use a built in image though |
| 07:00.57 | ckknight | \\, not \ |
| 07:01.03 | InterSlayer | tried that too :| |
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| 07:01.34 | InterSlayer | its preceeded by a frame too, i left that off because it was making emoticons with it lol |
| 07:05.21 | AnduinLothar | ckknight> when do you want to know? |
| 07:05.41 | ckknight | sometime after PEW |
| 07:05.51 | ckknight | I can use events, I can't use SVs |
| 07:06.27 | AnduinLothar | PLAYER_LOGIN? |
| 07:06.39 | ckknight | that's fired on ReloadUI() |
| 07:07.18 | AnduinLothar | well.. i know UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR doesn't spam on reloadui |
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| 07:07.39 | AnduinLothar | I'm sure there's another way but i cant think of it off the top of my head |
| 07:08.09 | AnduinLothar | some unit function maybe.. |
| 07:08.28 | AnduinLothar | UnitName('target') or something |
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| 07:10.07 | AnduinLothar | i think for every application where i've wanted such a thing i've found a better way to do it which didn't require me to know, heh |
| 07:10.40 | AnduinLothar | what are you using it for? |
| 07:11.31 | ckknight | AceEvent needs a variable for it |
| 07:12.29 | AnduinLothar | just for general information? |
| 07:12.32 | Cairenn | ckknight: on a different note, thread here that could use your attention when you have time/inclination: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704 |
| 07:15.45 | ckknight | btw, AnduinLothar UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR does spam on reloadui |
| 07:17.04 | ckknight | or maybe my test is wrong |
| 07:17.06 | ckknight | hang on... |
| 07:17.27 | ckknight | no, no, it does spam |
| 07:19.43 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 07:20.04 | AnduinLothar | perhaps it's just the channel joins that don't happen |
| 07:21.53 | ckknight | actually sometimes things happen and other times things don't |
| 07:22.28 | ckknight | got it |
| 07:22.29 | ckknight | UPDATE_WORLD_STATES |
| 07:22.33 | ckknight | fires on normal load |
| 07:22.39 | ckknight | doesn't fire under reload |
| 07:22.49 | ckknight | even under accentuated circumstances |
| 07:22.49 | AnduinLothar | what's that do? |
| 07:23.03 | ckknight | not sure, lemme check |
| 07:23.20 | AnduinLothar | and when does it fire in relation to other statup events |
| 07:23.23 | ckknight | Fired within Battlefields when certain things occur such as a flag being captured. |
| 07:23.48 | ckknight | fires inbetween ADDON_LOADED and PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 07:23.56 | ckknight | fires twice, actually |
| 07:24.37 | ckknight | SPELLCAST_STOP also seems to fire |
| 07:25.18 | Kirov | aye |
| 07:25.21 | ckknight | PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE also seems to fire, even if you aren't in a guild |
| 07:25.28 | Kirov | The player stops attacking when you do a reload or log off |
| 07:25.40 | ckknight | and LANGUAGE_LIST_CHANGED |
| 07:25.53 | ckknight | Kirov, the event doesn't fire when you reloadUI |
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| 07:28.56 | Kirov | only when you log out? |
| 07:29.03 | ckknight | right |
| 07:29.09 | ckknight | only on fresh login |
| 07:29.12 | ckknight | I'm gonna go with LANGUAGE_LIST_CHANGED |
| 07:29.15 | ckknight | I think |
| 07:33.50 | ckknight | basically, AceEvent_FullyInitialized is triggered after all chat channels are joined |
| 07:34.17 | ckknight | and it's basically guaranteed to be after the channels are joined |
| 07:34.34 | ckknight | so that AceComm channels don't come before General and whatnot |
| 07:34.57 | ckknight | as an aside, AnduinLothar, last I checked, Sea can mess this up |
| 07:35.30 | ckknight | I've had it fire before channels joining |
| 07:35.39 | ckknight | well, your afterInit dealy |
| 07:49.30 | Shadowed | i'm not sure which is more annoying |
| 07:49.32 | Shadowed | scroll frames or drop downs |
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| 08:07.52 | ckknight | Shadowed, dropdowns, hrm? |
| 08:13.23 | ckknight | Blizzard's dropdowns are the devil, I will admit |
| 08:13.30 | ckknight | hence, I created Dewdrop |
| 08:13.59 | Shadowed | back you evil library! |
| 08:14.02 | Shadowed | back! |
| 08:14.04 | ckknight | evil library? |
| 08:14.13 | ckknight | Dewdrop is teh awesome |
| 08:14.18 | ckknight | teh! |
| 08:14.20 | Shadowed | yes, evil |
| 08:14.23 | Shadowed | EVIL I SAY |
| 08:14.57 | ckknight | the concept of good and evil is too relative anyway |
| 08:15.17 | Shadowed | Your logic is not welcome here |
| 08:16.16 | ckknight | um |
| 08:16.20 | ckknight | your mom's not welcome here. |
| 08:16.24 | ckknight | face! |
| 08:16.48 | Shadowed | I choose to ignore your comment |
| 08:17.14 | zenzelezz | hrm... I'm almost starting to miss the [Your Mom Is The Immovable Object] links |
| 08:17.37 | ckknight | I choose to ignore you choosing to ignore my comment |
| 08:17.50 | Shadowed | I choose to ignore you choosing to ignore my choosing to ignore. |
| 08:18.08 | ckknight | I choose you, Pikachu! |
| 08:20.31 | Shadowed | hmm, when you hit the "up" or "down" arrow in a scroll frame everything inside becomes a "shade" darker like it's unselected, any idea how to disable that? |
| 08:23.52 | Telrik | any cool addon? |
| 08:24.27 | Shadowed | ? |
| 08:28.40 | Shadowed | have no idea how this is auto unfocusing for no reason o.o |
| 08:35.52 | AnduinLothar | ckknight> you mean chronos? |
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| 08:37.14 | MoonWolf | morning |
| 08:37.18 | AnduinLothar | you know, blizz's drop downs really aren't that bad. Not good, mind you. But once you understand how they work you can make one fairly simply |
| 08:37.40 | AnduinLothar | as long as you dont want complicated options |
| 08:37.55 | AnduinLothar | or presice positioning |
| 08:40.41 | ckknight | Dewdrop is pretty nice, though, you must admit |
| 08:40.50 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, yes, I meant Chronos |
| 08:41.56 | AnduinLothar | I've never taken the time to inspect dewdrop myself |
| 08:42.08 | ckknight | and now Dewdrop and AceConsole can take the same options |
| 08:42.15 | ckknight | so you don't have to repeat yourself |
| 08:42.24 | ckknight | and your users can use the one they want to |
| 08:42.27 | AnduinLothar | We made Earth have a simple dropdown wrapper which I used for a while |
| 08:42.41 | AnduinLothar | but now adays I just make my own with fake frames |
| 08:43.14 | AnduinLothar | it's like 5 lines of code cut and paste and i dont need a lib |
| 08:43.20 | ckknight | Do what you feel like. Dewdrop is pretty nice, though |
| 08:43.27 | ckknight | very powerful |
| 08:43.30 | AnduinLothar | :) not arguing with you |
| 08:43.35 | ckknight | with very minimal CPU and memory churn |
| 08:43.44 | ckknight | which is very easy to get with normal blizzard menus |
| 08:43.55 | ckknight | cause you feed in tables to them |
| 08:44.16 | AnduinLothar | yes but you can just use a global table to fix that |
| 08:44.55 | ckknight | you know how I feel about globals |
| 08:44.57 | AnduinLothar | but for the uninitiated wrappers do make things a hell of a lot easier |
| 08:45.09 | AnduinLothar | you know what i meant |
| 08:45.15 | AnduinLothar | a table in you namespace |
| 08:45.29 | ckknight | Dewdrop's not a wrapper, it makes its own frames |
| 08:45.41 | ckknight | and has sliders and text boxes and radio buttons |
| 08:45.43 | ckknight | galore. |
| 08:46.29 | AnduinLothar | more features, yay |
| 08:46.56 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:47.10 | ckknight | still damn efficient, though |
| 08:47.32 | ckknight | feel free to check it out sometime, it's all nicely documented |
| 08:47.33 | AnduinLothar | w/e People will whine about anything |
| 08:47.44 | ckknight | who's whining here? |
| 08:47.54 | ckknight | and maybe you're used to people whining |
| 08:47.57 | ckknight | I'm not, really |
| 08:48.13 | AnduinLothar | "zomg it has a feature I don't need, I'm not using it!" |
| 08:48.24 | ckknight | who's saying that? |
| 08:48.39 | AnduinLothar | 75% of addon authors |
| 08:48.51 | ckknight | I need names |
| 08:49.08 | AnduinLothar | sorry, i don't keep a record of people who annoy me |
| 08:49.28 | ckknight | I'm sure I'm on your list somewhere ;-) |
| 08:50.57 | AnduinLothar | but i've been listening to whining from the addon and addon author community for over a year. Nothing's changed. All it takes is one educated person to say something flippantly or competitively about another addon and all of a sudden half the populous is repeating it. |
| 08:51.22 | chuckg_ | Ace is bloated malware. |
| 08:51.24 | chuckg_ | There, I said it. |
| 08:51.25 | ckknight | on the topic, check this out: http://wow.reaktio.net/cosmos.jpg |
| 08:51.34 | ckknight | chuckg_, I will agree with you for Ace 1.x |
| 08:51.34 | AnduinLothar | don't get me started about 'bloated' |
| 08:51.39 | chuckg_ | Hahah. |
| 08:51.43 | chuckg_ | I wasn't trying to. |
| 08:51.45 | chuckg_ | Was a joke. |
| 08:51.46 | ckknight | but for Ace 2.0, things have changed |
| 08:51.53 | chuckg_ | More so because I'm not "educated". |
| 08:52.03 | ckknight | your mom's not educated. |
| 08:52.07 | ckknight | burn. |
| 08:52.18 | chuckg_ | She goes to collge. |
| 08:52.33 | ckknight | lol. |
| 08:52.35 | chuckg_ | I'm not sure how much I dig the new Mobhealth3, or w/e. |
| 08:52.46 | chuckg_ | I guess I should just have it save junk so it's not constantly processing. |
| 08:52.47 | AnduinLothar | why did you stack two bars of the same thing, just to throw off CastOptions range and oom coloring? |
| 08:52.49 | ckknight | apparently the algorithm is much cleaner |
| 08:53.02 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, not my image |
| 08:53.22 | chuckg_ | Yea so it says. |
| 08:53.32 | AnduinLothar | looks like CastOptions before i had him rewrite it |
| 08:53.34 | chuckg_ | I'm inclined to believe it, just hard to see evidence. |
| 08:53.36 | ckknight | someone took pictures of a few of the addon packs' memory usage |
| 08:54.01 | chuckg_ | Well, if you take the whole cosmos package and turn it all on, you deserve to be shot. |
| 08:54.04 | ckknight | CT got like 30 max, Nurfed got 30 I think, Cosmos got 1767, apparently |
| 08:54.05 | chuckg_ | Flat out, gods honest truth. |
| 08:54.33 | ckknight | chuckg_, s/whole/any of the/ |
| 08:54.39 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that's half our users |
| 08:54.48 | chuckg_ | Can't help ignorance. |
| 08:54.55 | chuckg_ | Says front page, or did "pick and choose". |
| 08:55.26 | ckknight | don't trust users. make their decisions for them, they don't know what's best |
| 08:55.26 | ckknight | sheeple, I say. |
| 08:55.26 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:55.26 | chuckg_ | The big one for a lot of the guys in my guild, old school cosmos, was the range check for spells. |
| 08:55.26 | chuckg_ | And coloring them etc. |
| 08:55.27 | AnduinLothar | people hate that |
| 08:55.36 | chuckg_ | It was like 1mb a sec. |
| 08:55.36 | ckknight | I seem to have a good repore. |
| 08:55.49 | chuckg_ | When I write stuff I write what I like. |
| 08:55.53 | chuckg_ | ANd if someone says something I like, I do it. |
| 08:55.57 | chuckg_ | Otherwise, fuck em. |
| 08:56.02 | AnduinLothar | keep writing addons, reputation only goes down in this business |
| 08:56.06 | chuckg_ | Hahah. |
| 08:56.25 | AnduinLothar | I'm suprised I haven't been lynched yet |
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| 08:56.49 | ckknight | I think my reputation is okay |
| 08:56.51 | chuckg_ | Rustak, from WoWwiki likes your stuff. |
| 08:56.59 | chuckg_ | And he writes Firefox browser shit for a living. |
| 08:57.04 | ckknight | ew |
| 08:57.05 | ckknight | Firefox |
| 08:57.06 | ckknight | icky. |
| 08:57.09 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:57.10 | ckknight | so damn bloated |
| 08:57.12 | chuckg_ | Or did. |
| 08:57.13 | AnduinLothar | LOL |
| 08:57.17 | ckknight | lot like Cosmos now that you mention it... |
| 08:57.23 | AnduinLothar | rofl |
| 08:57.24 | ckknight | jk (not really) |
| 08:57.27 | chuckg_ | Opera > * |
| 08:57.30 | ckknight | totally. |
| 08:57.32 | ckknight | Opera ftw. |
| 08:57.35 | AnduinLothar | Camino ftw |
| 08:57.38 | chuckg_ | It's bigger than firefox though. |
| 08:57.46 | chuckg_ | Don't let Rustak know I said that though! |
| 08:58.10 | AnduinLothar | i was doing something.. |
| 08:58.28 | chuckg_ | Lynching? |
| 08:58.46 | AnduinLothar | nah, if i wanted someone lynched i'd have my users to it |
| 08:58.47 | ckknight | yea, wtf with the lynching? |
| 08:59.04 | ckknight | I mean, I don't have enough rope |
| 08:59.06 | ckknight | or your address |
| 08:59.12 | ckknight | jk |
| 08:59.27 | AnduinLothar | i swear i was gonna do something useful.. |
| 08:59.35 | AnduinLothar | i blame you for my forgetfulness |
| 08:59.50 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:59.53 | ckknight | um |
| 08:59.56 | chuckg_ | I need to figure out what in the tradeskill/crafting frame when searching for reagents is causing the game to lockup. |
| 08:59.56 | ckknight | create life |
| 08:59.57 | chuckg_ | D= |
| 08:59.58 | AnduinLothar | oh that's right, maybe i was gonna finnish ExtraChannels |
| 09:00.01 | ckknight | I did it. |
| 09:00.15 | chuckg_ | Motivation, come to me. |
| 09:00.34 | ckknight | chuckg_, look for while/for loops |
| 09:00.42 | chuckg_ | Want weird though? |
| 09:00.47 | chuckg_ | Was fine before this latest patch. |
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| 09:00.51 | chuckg_ | Then this patch, bam dead. |
| 09:01.02 | chuckg_ | Whereas I had a problem w/ my dropdown last patch and now not this patch. |
| 09:01.05 | ckknight | typically you don't need to watch for recursive functions, as it'll cause stack overflow |
| 09:01.09 | AnduinLothar | welcome to wow patches |
| 09:01.22 | ckknight | I don't seem to have issues with patches |
| 09:01.35 | chuckg_ | The patches didn't change anything I do. |
| 09:01.40 | chuckg_ | So I'm clueless. |
| 09:01.40 | chuckg_ | D= |
| 09:01.48 | ckknight | I blame the schools. |
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| 09:02.43 | chuckg_ | I figure it's one of the functions I'm calling. |
| 09:02.44 | chuckg_ | Honestly. |
| 09:02.59 | chuckg_ | The functions for searching by craft/trade name and reagent are virtually identical. |
| 09:03.02 | chuckg_ | Just one more for loop. |
| 09:04.00 | chuckg_ | Wish WoW had some kind of error.log when it locked up. |
| 09:04.00 | chuckg_ | Showing the last few things that were called UI wise. |
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| 09:14.10 | chuckg_ | Hmm. |
| 09:14.20 | chuckg_ | I moved one local variable declaration and part of and if and it fixed. |
| 09:14.23 | chuckg_ | I'll take it. |
| 09:16.57 | Neronix | chuckg_: I'm gonna add an option to have it update less often in 3.1 |
| 09:17.09 | chuckg_ | Have what update? |
| 09:17.13 | Neronix | MH3 |
| 09:17.19 | chuckg_ | Oh. |
| 09:17.33 | chuckg_ | 5 a sec would be fine. |
| 09:17.37 | Neronix | IF you have feedback, please tell me that way you know I've definitely got it ^^ |
| 09:17.39 | chuckg_ | Anything over 10 is overkill. |
| 09:18.11 | chuckg_ | I'm not sure whether it's me, but a precision of 10 in a raid never comes to a solid number. |
| 09:18.15 | chuckg_ | Not after 5 hours of fighting the same mob. |
| 09:19.12 | Neronix | Did it do so for MH2? |
| 09:19.16 | chuckg_ | Nope. |
| 09:19.19 | chuckg_ | It pretty much set to a number. |
| 09:19.27 | Neronix | Hmm |
| 09:19.32 | chuckg_ | P.S.- Fuck loatheb. |
| 09:20.30 | Neronix | Well, what it does is keep a record of total damage seen and total percentage change seen on a mob across the session, which should have it build a more stable average over time |
| 09:21.19 | Neronix | I suppose I can at least add an option to only have it update every x UNIT_HEALTHs for now while I think about that |
| 09:21.31 | chuckg_ | What do you have it doing now? |
| 09:21.33 | chuckg_ | As far as updates? |
| 09:21.42 | chuckg_ | One other thing I did notice .. |
| 09:21.54 | chuckg_ | If you're swapping targets during a boss, do you have to consistently stay for 10% for the 10 precision to kick in? |
| 09:22.14 | Neronix | Yes |
| 09:22.18 | chuckg_ | Cause if say, I had a boss for 5% then swapped to an add, then back for another 5%, then to an add, it never really seemed to set on a number. |
| 09:22.26 | chuckg_ | Even after I'd obviously "seen" 10%. |
| 09:22.46 | Neronix | It only does that once during a session though |
| 09:22.54 | Neronix | or ever if you turned saving on |
| 09:23.08 | Neronix | precision is how long it waits before allowing a number to be displayed |
| 09:23.12 | chuckg_ | K. |
| 09:23.15 | chuckg_ | I'll just set it lower then. |
| 09:23.22 | chuckg_ | Won't muck up the accuracy later down the line, right? |
| 09:23.26 | chuckg_ | Just the early estimate. |
| 09:23.31 | Neronix | Yeah |
| 09:23.50 | Neronix | It's there because say, you hit any old mob for 2% and ran off, you'd have a very inaccurate number in the DB |
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| 11:27.39 | AnduinLothar | oh ckknight_ I remembered what func I couldn't a1-a20 |
| 11:27.39 | AnduinLothar | GetChatWindowMessages |
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| 12:14.04 | Maldivia | Howdy :) |
| 13:03.00 | Rallion | I really wish I had a dual-screen setup. |
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| 13:43.15 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:43.26 | Telrik | 17:42 here |
| 13:43.38 | JoshBorke | 9:43 here :-) |
| 13:53.06 | Tain | ~ugt |
| 13:53.09 | purl | ugt is, like, Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 13:58.50 | AnduinLothar | 7am here |
| 13:59.40 | AnduinLothar | i think i forgot how to sleep |
| 14:04.00 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar, sleep is over-rated anyway, so unproductive |
| 14:04.39 | AnduinLothar | I've been reading. not exactly the height of productivity |
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| 14:13.09 | Enitjus | Hey all, quick question, Is there any way to do UnitExists(Playername) ? Doesn't look to be via wiki but worth asking before I try to work around |
| 14:19.05 | JoshBorke | Enitjus, don't think so, since Playername isn't a unit |
| 14:19.40 | Enitjus | yea, looks that way, already done the work around regardless, isn't nearly as resourse friendly but |
| 14:24.53 | JoshBorke | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:25.37 | Enitjus | Find if a named player is online or not |
| 14:26.01 | JoshBorke | you have to do a /who command on that person |
| 14:27.02 | Enitjus | *chuckle* Blizzard would not like me for that :P Its being done for a large amount of people, but only guildes, so using the roster to see there online state |
| 14:30.33 | JoshBorke | ah, yes, for guildies just parse the roster |
| 14:30.54 | JoshBorke | be sure to open the roster or request an update first, then just cycle through the roster would be my suggestion :-) |
| 14:33.11 | Enitjus | Nod, just alot more pain that way, needing to check for roster updates etc |
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| 14:42.39 | JoshBorke | Enitjus, isn't there an event fired? |
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| 15:06.53 | JoshBorke | morning Kirkburn |
| 15:07.15 | Kirkburn | I keep getting disconnected :P Hey, Josh |
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| 15:24.04 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> If Elvis were alive today, he'd be scratching at the inside of his coffin. |
| 15:24.16 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 15:25.11 | clad | umm.. anyone here speak french? |
| 15:25.30 | Hexarobi | je ne parle pas le francias |
| 15:25.41 | Cairenn | en |
| 15:26.17 | clad | I'm just trying to figure out what the heck this says: http://forums-fr.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest-fr&t=67597&p=1&tmp=1 |
| 15:26.18 | clad | hehe |
| 15:26.19 | Elkano | I've canceled Frensh after 11th grade.. et je ne regrete rien PAS! |
| 15:26.57 | Hexarobi | no, just that speech and this one explaining it |
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| 15:27.45 | Josh_Borke | i was totally disconnected... |
| 15:28.05 | clad | i love rocky horror |
| 15:28.08 | clad | i think i'll listen to it thanks. |
| 15:28.27 | Tain | I can understand some of that post clad |
| 15:28.34 | Kirkburn | Hexarobi, doesn't the 'pas' come before the 'rien'? |
| 15:28.46 | Hexarobi | que? |
| 15:28.56 | Kirkburn | Um |
| 15:28.58 | Hexarobi | mi llamo thomas |
| 15:28.58 | Kirkburn | Elkano, then :) |
| 15:29.07 | Hexarobi | i think id like to learn esperanto |
| 15:29.16 | Tain | I know KungFu. |
| 15:29.33 | Hexarobi | show me... |
| 15:29.56 | Josh_Borke | waaaa |
| 15:30.13 | Elkano | Kirkburn, it's 'ne ... pas' or 'ne ... rien' but not both of them ^^ |
| 15:30.18 | Tain | Why can I never remember the slash command to tell jokes in game? |
| 15:30.23 | Kirkburn | Hey, you said it :P |
| 15:30.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.38 | Tain | Thank you! |
| 15:30.45 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 15:30.48 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.58 | Elkano | @clad: he basicaly sais that he missed the display of buffs on the players in order to know who is still missing a buff iiuc |
| 15:31.23 | Tain | No, /joke does not work |
| 15:31.29 | Hexarobi | didnt it used to? |
| 15:31.32 | Kirkburn | How silly |
| 15:31.41 | Tain | I don't think it ever did because I've always had trouble remembering the command. |
| 15:31.44 | Hexarobi | hehe, /silly ;) |
| 15:31.56 | Tain | Sounds like a needed addon! |
| 15:32.05 | Hexarobi | i think like a year ago or so when i started playing u could do /joke |
| 15:32.08 | clad | remember when ti had to be /v silly |
| 15:32.10 | Hexarobi | or maybe i was clicking the menu |
| 15:32.12 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5022 |
| 15:32.20 | Cairenn | :p |
| 15:32.26 | clad | This is a review of Clique on that page: Strange, me I downloaded each file for the remettres in repertoires with identical (by respecting breakage) and it goes nickel: http://kolera.wow.free.fr/WoWScrnShot_080806_221852.jpg Remain me more than to find how to add a small symbol for the buffs spirit and shade and I adopt. I could also test "clicks" (the version on the site wowinterface) it walks very well and it is extrêment practical! |
| 15:32.34 | clad | well, Cliqeu and PerfectRaid. |
| 15:33.23 | Kirkburn | In further news about the AMD/ATi 'merger': "The ATi name will live on at AMD as our leading consumer brand, and so will the Radeon brand and other ATi product brands" |
| 15:33.25 | Tain | Oh yeah I probably used to click on the menus, I haven't used those in like a year. |
| 15:33.39 | Hexarobi | hehe, automatic translation software needs improvement ;) |
| 15:33.45 | Josh_Borke | Tain: i'll test your new visor buttons when i can this week |
| 15:34.03 | Kirkburn | It went nickel?! That sounds awful |
| 15:34.07 | Hexarobi | hehehe |
| 15:34.19 | clad | Kirkburn: but it walks well! |
| 15:34.21 | Tain | Thanks Josh_Borke they should work better in general and definitely have less memory usage since it won't have to load 120 buttons into memory whether you use them or not. |
| 15:34.25 | clad | by respecting breakage |
| 15:34.26 | clad | haha |
| 15:34.28 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 15:34.43 | Josh_Borke | Tain: indeed :-) thursday or friday i'll be able to run them through their horses |
| 15:34.53 | Josh_Borke | now where is krka? |
| 15:34.58 | Josh_Borke | i need to talk to him about GRAB |
| 15:35.26 | Hexarobi | its just a jump to the left! |
| 15:35.59 | Josh_Borke | bah, all you old fogeys :-P |
| 15:36.04 | Kirkburn | And a jump to the right? |
| 15:36.20 | Tain | Now I'm struggling with event handling. One long-standing issue has been only being able to register a single event to a frame. Well sort of. You can register multiple but they can only all call a single handler. |
| 15:36.50 | Josh_Borke | can't you do that now with the lua generated buttons? |
| 15:37.13 | Josh_Borke | SetScript('OnEvent',function() MyUberEventHandler(<button>,event) end) or some oddness |
| 15:37.32 | Josh_Borke | but i guess that is the same thing |
| 15:38.15 | Tain | Yeah it's just that the handler has to handle all events and sort between them which is the way things work. But not good for a tiny amount of space. |
| 15:38.32 | Maldivia | Tain: can't you: frame:RegisterEvent("Event_1", eventHander1) frame:RegisterEvent("Event_2", eventHander2) ? |
| 15:38.44 | Tain | I can' get the optional eventhandler to work. |
| 15:38.47 | Tain | can't |
| 15:38.48 | Kirkburn | Apparently a full moon may cause an eruption in the Phlippines on wednesday :/ |
| 15:38.53 | Josh_Borke | RegisterEvent takes 2 paramenters? i never knew that |
| 15:39.06 | MoonWolf | yay macro gravity |
| 15:39.06 | Tain | It says so on the wiki, it isn't working for me. |
| 15:39.06 | Maldivia | Tain: Ok, never used it myself, just noticed it a few days ago |
| 15:39.30 | Tain | When I try it it fires off that second function immediately. |
| 15:39.34 | Maldivia | according to ingame usage on RegisterEvent, there is no optional second paramter :| |
| 15:39.40 | Josh_Borke | you sure that's not used for 1.12? |
| 15:39.49 | Tain | It actually does do something. |
| 15:39.52 | Kirkburn | bbl |
| 15:39.53 | Tain | Just not what the wiki says. |
| 15:39.58 | Maldivia | ok |
| 15:40.12 | Kirkburn | (fix the wiki then =) |
| 15:40.51 | Josh_Borke | yea, it's a recent change, July 5 |
| 15:41.23 | Josh_Borke | i'd say the wiki is wrong :-D |
| 15:41.26 | Tain | Because if I do frame:RegisterEvent("MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE", print("hi")) (was a test, also called other functions) as soon as I execute that it runs the function |
| 15:41.26 | Maldivia | nothing in Iriels's list about it |
| 15:41.40 | Maldivia | Tain: yeah, well doh! |
| 15:41.41 | Josh_Borke | is test up? |
| 15:41.59 | Maldivia | Tain: print is evaluated first, to get the return value to the RegisterEvent call :) |
| 15:42.31 | Tain | Oh right. Well doing it as an anymous function, or calling another function, didn't work either. :) |
| 15:43.26 | Josh_Borke | Tain: why not embed the event handler into the frame? SetScript('OnEvent',function() if (frame.EventHandler) then frame.EventHandler(event) end end) |
| 15:43.36 | Kirkburn | (actually not bbl, looks like I have enough plugs to run both PCs together :) |
| 15:43.44 | Tain | Right that's how it works normally with OnEvent. |
| 15:43.50 | Josh_Borke | hrm |
| 15:43.53 | Tain | The problem is setting that on the fly. |
| 15:44.14 | Maldivia | Tain: yeah, just tested with: /script local f = CreateFrame("Frame") f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD", function() ChatFrame1:AddMessage(arg1) end), |
| 15:44.20 | Tain | So if you have an OnEvent function you can't easily just add a new one, you have to modify the existing one. |
| 15:44.34 | Maldivia | and got nothing |
| 15:44.48 | Tain | Maybe it's an upcoming change that no one knows about. haha |
| 15:45.04 | Josh_Borke | Tain: what if you make the event handler parse a table that you can place additional event handlers into? |
| 15:45.10 | Kirkburn | I need a prog which means you can use one mouse for two PCs :P |
| 15:45.21 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn, synergy |
| 15:45.30 | Kirkburn | I was about to say I know they exist =) |
| 15:45.43 | Kirkburn | Is that the Stardock one, or another? |
| 15:46.03 | Josh_Borke | synergy2.sourceforge.net |
| 15:46.08 | Tain | hmm an empty OnEvent that runs the handlers you pass it. Possibilities! |
| 15:46.14 | Josh_Borke | Tain: sec |
| 15:46.39 | Kirkburn | May look into it |
| 15:48.20 | Josh_Borke | Tain: http://wow.pastecode.com/2826 might work? |
| 15:48.57 | Josh_Borke | er, forgot to initialize the table, but whatever |
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| 15:49.49 | Josh_Borke | morning Industrial |
| 15:50.03 | Industrial | not really I just rebooted :> |
| 15:50.09 | Josh_Borke | :-P |
| 15:50.15 | Industrial | but hi ^^ |
| 15:50.56 | Tain | Something like that should work |
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| 15:51.40 | Josh_Borke | Tain: just trying to help :-) I think you've done great work with Visor :-) |
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| 15:52.17 | Tain | I think I have an idea for something, just letting it actually form in my head. |
| 15:54.16 | Maldivia | hmm, no optional parameter to RegisterEvent on PTR |
| 15:54.45 | Maldivia | arghh... German... :) |
| 15:55.19 | Kirkburn | Is the tooltip line limit hard-coded? |
| 15:55.21 | Industrial | Maldivia, go go gadget AceEvent-2.0 |
| 15:55.28 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn, think so |
| 15:55.36 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn, kinda sucks too :-( |
| 15:55.36 | Maldivia | Industrial: hehe :) |
| 15:55.41 | Industrial | :) |
| 15:55.47 | Kirkburn | Was just thinking about the way it messes up the guild listings :( |
| 15:55.48 | Maldivia | Industrial: well, it would have been nice it was actually implemented :) |
| 15:55.49 | Josh_Borke | Tain: yea! upgrade to Ace2! |
| 15:56.19 | Tain | heh yeah, that's not going to be a simple conversion. :) |
| 15:58.18 | Maldivia | hmm, CreateFrame("Frame", nil, parent) sets frame level to parent:GetFrameLevel() + 1, righT? |
| 15:58.28 | Elkano | Kirkburn, yes it is though it was increased in one of the latest patches... but this isn't a tooltip :) |
| 15:58.54 | Elkano | (ok, it is, but not a Blizzard tooltip but a TabletLib tablet) |
| 15:59.07 | Kirkburn | Does that make a difference then? :O |
| 15:59.29 | Elkano | yes, tablets have no line limit iirc :) |
| 15:59.45 | Kirkburn | Another reason to make the switch :) |
| 15:59.46 | Elkano | if they become to large, they'll allow you to scroll |
| 16:00.24 | Maldivia | The question is, why doesn't GameTooltip just automatic add aditional lines, if needed? |
| 16:00.26 | Elkano | tooltip line limit is at 30 or so |
| 16:01.41 | Kirkburn | It's a good question, but unanswerable tbh |
| 16:01.46 | Elkano | the tooltip design is a dino wrt API usage so it doesn't use the new features like creating frames as needed. it's size is set in the xml and thus fixed :/ |
| 16:01.55 | Kirkburn | You'd have to ask a dev why that number |
| 16:02.27 | Kirkburn | (okay, *partly* unanswerable) |
| 16:02.29 | Maldivia | for i = 31, 50 do GameTooltip:AddFontStrings(..., ...) end ? Shouldn't that up the limit to 50 ? |
| 16:03.07 | Elkano | well, it had been fewer lines... they never needed more... I think with the new set tooltips showing bonuses and such stuff they needed a few additional lines so they hacked them in instead of reworking their design |
| 16:06.09 | Maldivia | hmm, GameTooltip.AddLine = function(self, txt...) self.MaxLines = self.MaxLines or 30; if self:NumLines() == self.MaxLines then self:AddFontStrings(....) self.MaxLines = self.MaxLines + 1 end self:OrgAddLine(txt...) end |
| 16:06.15 | Maldivia | and vupti, it's dynamic |
| 16:08.20 | Kirkburn | Do you think it would be viable to install stuff to an external USB 2.0 hard drive - e.g. games |
| 16:08.24 | Maldivia | yeah ok, there might be a cleaner solution, but just to make it fast and simple :) |
| 16:08.36 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: not games... |
| 16:09.21 | Maldivia | I would say anything else, but games access to the disk too often, and USB at high speeds can be very CPU hogging |
| 16:09.43 | Kirkburn | What about installing Vista to it? :) |
| 16:10.04 | Kirkburn | I have a feeling that'd be a no-go anyway |
| 16:10.18 | Maldivia | hehe, yeah |
| 16:10.30 | Maldivia | or well, you never know - might work |
| 16:10.35 | Maldivia | portable system? |
| 16:11.02 | Kirkburn | This laptop only has a 30gig hdd |
| 16:11.33 | Kirkburn | I have another PC with lots of space, but I'm not gonna lug it to Uni with me again |
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| 16:12.58 | Kirkburn | For a computer that hasn't been turned on in a year, it's kept time pretty well |
| 16:12.59 | End | a friend of mine installs most of his games on to an 80 gig usb hd |
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| 16:13.10 | Kirkburn | It's a grand total of just under 2 mins off |
| 16:13.13 | End | it appears to work okay for him |
| 16:13.26 | End | (he too has a laptop) |
| 16:13.28 | Kirkburn | I might have to try it, to see |
| 16:13.53 | End | I think his biggest problem is he ran out of space :P |
| 16:14.10 | Kirkburn | I know the problem :P |
| 16:14.42 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna buy a hdd caddy so I can take the 2nd drive from the desktop with me as well |
| 16:15.00 | Kirkburn | Have one for music and vids and one for games and progs |
| 16:20.56 | Kirkburn | Wow there's a lot I forgot about on here! |
| 16:39.33 | cogwheel | If two frames are right next to each other, does OnLeave fire for one before OnEnter fires for the other? |
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| 16:55.57 | Tain | It's supposed to but I found OnLeave/OnEnter a little slow to respond if you're moving quick. |
| 16:56.13 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 16:56.20 | Gryphen | heya |
| 16:59.21 | Kirkburn | Heh, it's Drysc's birthday on friday, Eyonix's on saturday and Neth's on monday |
| 16:59.35 | cogwheel | Well, it doesn't have to be too snappy... just as long as they go in the correct order. |
| 16:59.47 | Kirkburn | slouken just had his, and Berghe's was last wednesday |
| 17:00.02 | JoshBorke | conspiracy? |
| 17:00.04 | JoshBorke | i think so |
| 17:00.14 | Kirkburn | Busy Novembers methinks :P |
| 17:00.21 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 17:00.33 | JoshBorke | just after halloween... |
| 17:01.10 | Kirkburn | Not a particularly romantic date, y'know |
| 17:01.19 | JoshBorke | plenty of parties though |
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| 17:14.29 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.31 | Industrial | rwar |
| 17:15.29 | Abenadi | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_HasPetSpells i think the "result" here is a bit off, should have a number instead of true |
| 17:16.11 | Shadowed | sec, i'll go check my hunter |
| 17:17.24 | Shadowed | Not even sure what the result bit is there for, I get a number and "PET" not true/false |
| 17:18.04 | Abenadi | yeah it should be number and then "PET", or "DEMON", the 'returns' section is right but the example/result section is wonky |
| 17:19.07 | Abenadi | these pet functions apply to mind control pets too right? (except for the aggressive/passive/stay type commands) |
| 17:19.15 | Shadowed | yeha |
| 17:19.31 | Shadowed | You could use HasPetSkills(); for when you MC NPC's with spells too i'd imagine |
| 17:19.55 | Abenadi | yeah i need to make a shield wall / taunt macro for razuvious |
| 17:21.34 | JoshBorke | because priests don't know how to tank? ^_^ |
| 17:22.03 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 17:22.13 | Abenadi | just to get it off a second faster |
| 17:22.20 | Abenadi | plus misclick = wipe |
| 17:23.26 | Kirkburn | Interesting article about OSX leopard (and how childish Apple is becoming): http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/macosx_leopard_preview.asp |
| 17:24.52 | cogwheel | Huh... wired just ran an article the other day, too, about how Jobs might be losing his touch... |
| 17:25.18 | cogwheel | Here's a good one: http://www.twitchguru.com/2006/08/08/world_of_warcraft_players_addicted/ |
| 17:25.51 | Kirkburn | Reading that article, Apple just seems to be getting desperate - they should let it stand on its own merits, rather than attempt continual put-downs of Vista |
| 17:29.13 | Kirkburn | It's amazing that they can come out on stage and say some of the things they do |
| 17:29.28 | Shadowed | Abenadi should be fixed |
| 17:29.50 | Kirkburn | Are you sure? Sounds like a big job, fixing Abenadi... |
| 17:30.12 | Shadowed | ssshhh |
| 17:31.08 | Abenadi | =P |
| 17:31.27 | Abenadi | thanks shadowed |
| 17:34.43 | Kirov | Shadowed - are you sure? he still looks broken to me |
| 17:34.59 | Shadowed | maybe we should send him to Iriel to find out |
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| 17:35.26 | Kirov | hmm |
| 17:35.32 | Kirov | is worldofwarcraft.com down? |
| 17:35.44 | Cairenn | up for me |
| 17:35.51 | Kirov | weird |
| 17:36.02 | Kirov | I can't connect to any blizzard site |
| 17:36.04 | Shadowed | been having issues with it yesterday, but seems to be fine currently |
| 17:36.07 | Kirkburn | fine for me |
| 17:38.11 | cogwheel | I just made a forum post a minute or two ago |
| 17:38.27 | Abenadi | for i=x,y,z -- what is z? |
| 17:38.39 | Kirkburn | Khurkbhurn is developing nicely =) http://www.nationstates.net/khurkbhurn |
| 17:38.57 | Shadowed | z would be how much it's incremented each loop |
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| 17:39.15 | Abenadi | ok so no need to have it if not 1 right? |
| 17:39.19 | Abenadi | i mean if it is 1 |
| 17:39.19 | Cairenn | Kirov: clear all your blizz cookies? |
| 17:39.20 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 17:39.29 | Shadowed | if it's 1 then you can remove the ",z" |
| 17:39.56 | Abenadi | and NUM_PET_ACTION_SLOTS - that is a global variable i can access? looking at http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CastPetAction |
| 17:40.37 | Shadowed | yeah |
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| 17:47.16 | JoshBorke | anything exciting going on? |
| 17:49.01 | Kirkburn | Great now I just saw a banner ad asking 'Do you think Mel Gibson is a bigot? Yes/no?" |
| 17:49.45 | Kirov | Cairenn - I think we're just having general connection problems here at work |
| 17:49.57 | Kirkburn | Not as bad as the 'Do you think Israel's attacks are justified?' ... it's an advert for goodness sake :( |
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| 18:09.30 | Kirkburn | Heh, a fun little article =) http://www.wowwiki.com/Rouge |
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| 18:13.47 | Shadowed | hmm, how would you order a table with an a-z type key in a set order instead of inserted? |
| 18:14.16 | cogwheel | I don't think you can order any table with non-integer keys |
| 18:14.20 | JoshBorke | Shadowed: don't think you can |
| 18:14.24 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 18:14.29 | JoshBorke | Shadowed: gotta have a separate table :-/ |
| 18:14.35 | Shadowed | well this is going to be fun to work out |
| 18:14.37 | cogwheel | you can store two integer-indexed tables |
| 18:14.59 | cogwheel | one with letters the other with values /shrug |
| 18:15.18 | JoshBorke | not too hard, sort the integer indexed table and then just call the other table with the value in that position |
| 18:15.52 | Shadowed | move category into the value inserted, make it an integer index table, sort using that category value. |
| 18:16.01 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 18:16.17 | Shadowed | not exactly the best way to do it, but oh well. |
| 18:16.25 | JoshBorke | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:16.59 | Shadowed | Just for a mod, categories are in text format though |
| 18:18.52 | JoshBorke | http://wow.pastecode.com/2836 is what i would do |
| 18:19.51 | Shadowed | that'd order alphabetically though wouldn't it |
| 18:20.07 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 18:20.12 | Cairenn | wb |
| 18:22.06 | JoshBorke | Shadowed: yes, but you can use whatever sorting method you'd like :-D |
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| 18:27.19 | Industrial | http://industrial.infogami.com/ |
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| 18:28.41 | Shadowed | this "grey out" thing with scrollbars is becoming annoying, can't seem to find an option to prevent it :/ |
| 18:29.11 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 18:29.58 | Kirkburn | mornin' Iriel |
| 18:30.17 | Shadowed | Anyone ever had to deal with something close to that for scrollbars, when you click the scrollbar or the "up"/"down" button everything inside is almost becomes greyed out, can't seem to switch it back |
| 18:30.18 | Shadowed | and hey Iriel |
| 18:30.36 | zenzelezz | "Tip: you can turn these tips off in the Interface menu." |
| 18:30.54 | zenzelezz | I can't see how anyone could be particularly annoyed by the tips being on their loading screen |
| 18:31.08 | Shadowed | first thing i did was turn them off |
| 18:34.11 | cogwheel | Preference question: I'm reorganizing BuyEmAll's frame so it's more symmetrical and looks more WoW-like. Anyway, I have Stack and Max buttons. The stack button buys a stack with one click, and Max buys the max you can afford/fit. Right now, I have it set up so when you mouse-over the buttons, the button text changes to how many of the item you will be buying. Would it be better to use a... |
| 18:34.13 | cogwheel | ...tooltip for this purpose? |
| 18:37.39 | cogwheel | Or i could make it a configurable option ;) |
| 18:39.32 | Iriel | The only problems I can see in changing the button text is (a) you have your mouse covering it and (b) can the number get too big to display in th ebutton? |
| 18:40.11 | Industrial | anyone here play hl1:tfc? |
| 18:41.01 | cogwheel | The mouse covering it is the main problem. The buttons are big enough to fit six digits though... Even someone with 4 ony bags wouldn't be able to fit enough stuff that stacks in 200s to make the text too large ;) |
| 18:41.15 | Abenadi | I would say tooltip |
| 18:41.17 | cogwheel | I think i'll go with the tooltip |
| 18:42.23 | cogwheel | Now... to write my first tooltip.... |
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| 18:53.49 | cogwheel | Does it matter if I use the built-in tooltip or make my own? |
| 18:54.00 | Kirov | not really |
| 18:54.06 | Kirov | built in is easier |
| 18:54.14 | Kirov | I use a combination for my stuff |
| 18:54.17 | cogwheel | k |
| 18:54.26 | Kirov | my own if I don't want my tooltip to be massive. |
| 18:54.28 | Thrae | You'll break TinyTip, so don't dooo eeet! |
| 18:54.35 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:54.55 | Thrae | Actually TinyTip only breaks if people do really weird things. |
| 18:55.14 | Kirov | Define weird things? |
| 18:55.25 | Shadowed | Hook the tooltip and change some of the text I think |
| 18:55.26 | cogwheel | I mean should I use GameTooltip or create a new GameTooltip object? I'm only doing simple things... |
| 18:55.45 | Thrae | Like hooking OnShow for one. |
| 18:55.50 | cogwheel | It's just to display some information... i'm not trying to read any item data or anything |
| 18:55.54 | Thrae | cogwheel: Mmmm, just use GameTooltip |
| 18:56.05 | cogwheel | k |
| 18:56.06 | Shadowed | shouldn't it be fine as long as they store any previous onshow? |
| 18:56.33 | Thrae | Well, take MobInfo2. I still don't understand why it hooks OnShow instead of SetUnit. |
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| 18:57.22 | Shadowed | Hooking SetUnit seems hacker then OnShow |
| 18:57.22 | Thrae | The problem with hooking OnShow is that an easy way to resize the tooltip after adding information is just by calling GameTooltip:Show(), this was intended, yet doing stuff OnShow can cause weird problems. |
| 18:58.00 | Thrae | Not really, since OnShow is called -whenever- GameTooltip:Show() is called, and GameTooltip is not used just for unit tooltips. |
| 18:58.14 | Abenadi | if I assign just one variable to a function that returns multiple values, I should get just the first return value (and not cause an error) right? |
| 18:58.38 | Kirov | correct |
| 18:58.40 | Thrae | I think it's hackier trying to figure out if you're dealing with a unit and not an item or doodad (there's no way to tell if you're dealing with a doodad except an OnUpdate script) |
| 18:59.18 | Kirov | function MyFunc() return 1, 2, 3; end local foo = MyFunc() foo == 1 |
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| 19:00.11 | Thrae | Hmm I have a letter from the entire City of Greenbelt. Obviously they want to make me mayor. |
| 19:00.16 | Smooth | What kinda topic is that! |
| 19:01.10 | Thrae | Ooo it's a job offer. But not for Mayor =/ |
| 19:02.52 | Kirov | "Start a new carreer in the exciting work of Waste Disposal Management!" |
| 19:03.08 | Thrae | Heh, close. IT Engineer position. |
| 19:03.34 | Thrae | You know it's the government when they send you MAIL instead of EMAIL. |
| 19:03.38 | Kirov | Thrae - Yeah, pretty much the same thing, only requiring fewer muscles. |
| 19:03.41 | Thrae | Who the hell sends MAIL anymore? |
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| 19:07.00 | cogwheel | You'd be surprised... |
| 19:07.45 | Abenadi | question: if I script PetAttack() on a hardware event, can I also put another ability in the script (castpetaction) WITHOUT using spellstopcasting inbetween? |
| 19:08.59 | Tem | does anyone have a copy of MCP? |
| 19:09.11 | Abenadi | master control program? |
| 19:09.18 | Tem | that's the one |
| 19:10.23 | Abenadi | The Unisys/Bourroughs computer operating system, or the computer character from the 1982 film, Tron? |
| 19:10.55 | Tem | the wow addon |
| 19:12.05 | Abenadi | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1664 ? |
| 19:13.15 | Tem | damn, it won't help me |
| 19:13.17 | Tem | oh well |
| 19:17.20 | Abenadi | hmmmm... i'm guessing PetAttack() is different from the auto-attack ability for mind-controlled units |
| 19:20.06 | Iriel | I believe the pet functions are somewhat special, yes |
| 19:20.19 | Iriel | in the sense that they behave in a different manner to the 'player' ones |
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| 19:41.50 | zenzelezz | woot, got Innervate |
| 19:41.54 | zenzelezz | that'll help me tank |
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| 19:53.26 | Cairenn | hey hey Gello! |
| 19:53.30 | Gello | heya |
| 19:53.56 | Kirov | That's not the real Gello |
| 19:54.00 | Gello | hyjal is down so i can't test :( anyone know if TargetLastTarget will target a spell like SpellTargetUnit and TargetUnit do? |
| 19:54.07 | Kirov | The "real" gello would never come to this irc channel! |
| 19:54.12 | Gello | hehe |
| 19:54.22 | Cairenn | oh yes he does |
| 19:54.26 | Gello | unless he has some self-serving motive *whistles innocently* |
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| 19:55.52 | JoshBorke | wb Cairenn |
| 19:56.33 | Kirov | I believe all targeting functions work the same if the cursor has a spell |
| 19:56.57 | Kirov | except maybe TargetNearest |
| 19:57.04 | Iriel | Reworking 'share the love' into 'take the love' ? 8-) |
| 19:57.25 | Kirov | "love is only intended for my own personal consumption" |
| 19:57.45 | Gello | yeah just tried on a druid on test and TargetLastTarget works. that's cool |
| 19:58.01 | Kirov | You know what's really annoying? Parsing system returns in MEL script ... |
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| 20:17.49 | JoshBorke | quick hide |
| 20:18.15 | esp|Syn | anyone suggest any decent mods for a warrior while leveling? |
| 20:18.22 | Kirov | Further proof of my theory that Cide and Gello are the same person. |
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| 20:18.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:18.38 | Cairenn | they're not |
| 20:18.39 | Kirov | Gello signs of at exactly the same moment Cide signs on. |
| 20:19.01 | Neronix | esp|Syn: A weapon swapper would be great |
| 20:19.02 | Kirov | I don't know if you can get any more concrete evidence than that. |
| 20:19.04 | Cide | was that ever contested? |
| 20:19.16 | Cairenn | wasn't exactly the same moment |
| 20:19.26 | Kirov | Cairenn - net latency |
| 20:19.27 | Cairenn | "(16:14:51) Gello left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). |
| 20:19.27 | Cairenn | (16:15:31) Cide [i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com] entered the room." |
| 20:19.37 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 20:19.40 | JoshBorke | they have the same ip! |
| 20:19.42 | Cide | I think I shall update rec.. err, raidassist |
| 20:19.53 | Kirov | hehe |
| 20:19.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:19.59 | JoshBorke | ok, so that was a blatant lie, but whatever :-) |
| 20:20.15 | Kirov | Josh - they both have the ip of 104 when they sign off. |
| 20:20.17 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:20.18 | Kirov | ;) |
| 20:20.24 | Cairenn | LOL |
| 20:21.29 | esp|Syn | Neronix but i only use 1 weapon |
| 20:24.14 | Xaayne | How's it goin guys. I hear this is the place to be if I want to really learn UI development. |
| 20:24.51 | Cide | or inside the lua files |
| 20:25.01 | Xaayne | well yeah that too. |
| 20:25.14 | Cide | I have to take a break and code some php :( |
| 20:25.25 | Xaayne | php is good stuff. |
| 20:25.59 | esp|Syn | im coding php :( |
| 20:26.07 | esp|Syn | trying to write a pm system for my website |
| 20:26.33 | JoshBorke | ~logs |
| 20:26.41 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 20:27.10 | JoshBorke | anyone remember when i talked about healthmon? |
| 20:27.45 | Kirov | sometime before yesterday? |
| 20:28.20 | JoshBorke | i'll buy a monday |
| 20:28.39 | JoshBorke | i'd be wrong... |
| 20:28.48 | JoshBorke | blasted |
| 20:29.03 | Kirov | Try 2 days ago, Saturday, June 1993 |
| 20:29.16 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 20:29.32 | Kirov | Today is Friday, right? |
| 20:29.38 | End | Kirov must be stuck in a time warp |
| 20:29.41 | Cairenn | Wednesday :p |
| 20:29.51 | esp|Syn | wednesday is hot |
| 20:29.52 | Kirov | Right, so 2 days ago would be Saturday |
| 20:30.24 | JoshBorke | oh, found it |
| 20:30.32 | Cairenn | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/20060804.html.gz 20:39 |
| 20:30.37 | esp|Syn | yes it would Kirov |
| 20:32.18 | JoshBorke | danke |
| 20:34.17 | Cairenn | bitte |
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| 20:35.51 | Xaayne | quick question I'm sure some one knows the answer to. Is there an official listing of WoW's API calls similar to say the MSDN library? |
| 20:36.04 | JoshBorke | www.wowwiki.com |
| 20:36.22 | End | wowwiki is hardly official, but it -is- the best reference |
| 20:36.26 | JoshBorke | specifically: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 20:37.01 | Kirov | Xaayne - Official, no, complete, no, but community built and updated. |
| 20:37.19 | JoshBorke | well, mostly updated |
| 20:37.32 | Xaayne | hmm i find it odd that blizz hasn't made an official listing for the api. |
| 20:37.55 | Kirov | Xaayne - Some of the function calls don't have proper definitions, some of them don't have any, but the majority of the ones people use commonly are listed and have usually accurate descriptions of usage. |
| 20:38.21 | Kirov | Xaayne - Blizzard's "list" is "here's our .lua code, see how it works on your own." |
| 20:38.23 | Xaayne | gotcha. |
| 20:38.29 | Kirov | Xaayne - hence the community built one |
| 20:38.34 | Xaayne | makes sense |
| 20:38.43 | JoshBorke | anyone know how GetPoint works? |
| 20:38.51 | Kirov | JoshBorke - sure |
| 20:38.55 | JoshBorke | i've used it |
| 20:39.09 | JoshBorke | but i'm just curious on exactly how it works, sense it isn't documented much |
| 20:39.39 | JoshBorke | what does it return if you give it no parameters |
| 20:39.51 | JoshBorke | vs what does it return if you pass it a point |
| 20:41.00 | Kirov | If you pass a point it returns, basically, the full SetPoint arguments |
| 20:41.17 | JoshBorke | does it randomly cohose a point if you don't? |
| 20:41.22 | Kirov | No |
| 20:41.42 | Kirov | I believe it returns the first point anchored |
| 20:42.11 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 20:42.14 | JoshBorke | just curious really :-) |
| 20:42.19 | JoshBorke | thanks Kirov :-) |
| 20:42.34 | JoshBorke | time for me to go |
| 20:42.36 | JoshBorke | bye all :-) |
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| 20:43.44 | Cide | http://jibba3.onestop.net/ignite4.jpg <- ouch |
| 20:44.26 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:44.39 | Kirov | I got an autoshot for 26k in Naxx |
| 20:44.52 | Kirov | And a non-crit for 12k |
| 20:48.46 | cogwheel | kirov: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/small3510.jpg ... a bit nicer, eh? |
| 20:49.17 | Kirov | Aye. |
| 20:49.33 | Kirov | Though, on a side note I wouldn't of included a new graphics file |
| 20:49.59 | cogwheel | I had to. The window needed to grow downward and the box where the number goes is part of the texture |
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| 20:50.29 | Kirov | cogwheel - 3 textures + TexCoords = stretched window with out needing new graphics |
| 20:50.38 | Kirov | And it'd be easily made varaible in size. |
| 20:50.59 | Kirov | It's a minor thing |
| 20:51.25 | cogwheel | I'll look through the BLPs again... |
| 20:52.42 | cogwheel | Ah... UI-Moneyframe2 ... thanks for the tip |
| 20:53.35 | Kirov | actually you can do it with just the UI-Moneyframe texture |
| 20:53.56 | cogwheel | Just slice it in 3 places? |
| 20:54.02 | cogwheel | err... into 3 pieces... |
| 20:54.05 | Kirov | yeah, give me a sec |
| 20:55.00 | cogwheel | you know, looking back and forth between UI-Moneyframe & UI-Moneyframe2, i think 2 looks better... they borked a bit of the borders when they added the money box. |
| 20:57.53 | Kirkburn | God what is it with this router :/ |
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| 21:16.44 | Tem | I find it humorous when the comments in the blizzard ui files use the word "hack" |
| 21:16.51 | Tem | <!-- The code to disable the ScrollDownButton is pretty hacked, but it works --> |
| 21:18.40 | Cide | haha, yeah |
| 21:18.43 | Cide | saw that one a while ago |
| 21:19.10 | AnduinLothar | Everyone has a deadline |
| 21:24.07 | Tain | My favorite comment was -- Whaaa? |
| 21:24.54 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 21:25.08 | AnduinLothar | yay code review |
| 21:35.12 | Cairenn | god people suck |
| 21:39.02 | Elkano | at least they do add comments... more than I normaly do :/ |
| 21:40.32 | Tem | Elkano, if the only thing I have to say about my code is "This code is a hack," I'm gonna keep it to myself |
| 21:40.54 | Elkano | true true ^^ |
| 21:42.29 | cogwheel | kirov, i figured it out. |
| 21:42.47 | Kirkburn | Oooh, Blizz are gonna remove DKs for the burning crusade beta |
| 21:42.54 | Tem | oh? |
| 21:43.03 | Tem | I'm not sure how I feel about that |
| 21:44.26 | Tem | I'm about to name an addon "overlord" |
| 21:44.33 | Tem | I'm tempted to put the name in all caps |
| 21:44.38 | Tem | Thoughts? |
| 21:46.33 | AnduinLothar | all caps is standard for constants in wow |
| 21:47.18 | AnduinLothar | not that that's really a good reason not too.. |
| 21:47.22 | AnduinLothar | but my thoughts :) |
| 21:47.59 | Kirov | cogwheel - good, I had to go afk for a bit |
| 21:48.00 | cogwheel | OvErLoRd!!one |
| 21:48.43 | Smooth | A comment from an actual production system im working on |
| 21:48.47 | Smooth | - //Thread paging hack for MSSQL, this is so bad :( |
| 21:49.05 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:49.27 | Kirov | There's a comment in wow I like. |
| 21:49.32 | Kirov | -- WHAAAT??? |
| 21:49.43 | Smooth | Seriosuly though, when MSSQL learns to page, that will be great. SELECT ... LIMIT 3, 10 cant be that hard to implement |
| 21:49.45 | AnduinLothar | lol slashdot: 40 Percent of World of Warcraft Players Addicted |
| 21:49.46 | Kirov | I think it's gone now |
| 21:50.02 | cogwheel | Hi, I'm Cogwheel, and I'm an addict... |
| 21:50.14 | Kirov | "hi cogwheel" |
| 21:50.40 | Smooth | Sounds like some far left, anti personal responsibility crap |
| 21:50.56 | Smooth | McDonalds made me fat because they serve food that I like to eat too much etc.. |
| 21:51.04 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.19 | cogwheel | ... and I wondered what Herbalism skill i'd need to pick it... |
| 21:53.44 | AnduinLothar | I think the problems he described are more related to the persons involved. Addiction is just the symptom |
| 21:54.07 | AnduinLothar | Tho Addiction can have it's own resulting symptoms |
| 21:54.19 | AnduinLothar | It's not usually the root of the problem |
| 21:54.37 | AnduinLothar | but then.. I'm not a psycologist |
| 21:55.52 | Kirov | cogwheel -http://wow.pastecode.com/2856 |
| 21:56.22 | Smooth | Yea, as a poster said in the comments, these people would get attached to something else if not WoW. If you let the game run your life its a problem with your life and not the game. This is ofcourse true of many things(alcohol, smoking, gambling, etc...) |
| 21:56.57 | AnduinLothar | anyone think TrinketMenu/ItemRack gui for spell action bars would be useful? |
| 21:57.10 | cogwheel | Kirov, that's pretty much what i did, though I used 4 slices: the top, bottom, and middle came from UI-MoneyFrame2 and the money box itself came from UI-MoneyFrame |
| 21:57.28 | Smooth | AnduinLothar watcha mean? |
| 21:57.28 | Kirov | yeah |
| 21:57.39 | AnduinLothar | like hold down a key and mouse over an actionbar to see a perpendicular bar of related spells |
| 21:58.10 | AnduinLothar | I dunno, maybe the other ranks or other spells of that spell class |
| 21:58.14 | Smooth | Thats kinda neat, I don't know if this already exists but having a mod that manages alternate ranks would be excelent, probably my next project |
| 21:58.27 | Smooth | like click a spell for whatever rank you have there, right click it for rank 1 |
| 21:58.33 | AnduinLothar | well CastOptions does it w/o a gui |
| 21:58.37 | Smooth | or ctrl+hotkey or something |
| 21:58.48 | AnduinLothar | it auto-deranks |
| 21:59.18 | Smooth | CastOptions you say? |
| 21:59.35 | cogwheel | I also accidentally found out you can do: |
| 21:59.37 | cogwheel | <Offset x="#" y="#" /> |
| 21:59.39 | cogwheel | instead of |
| 21:59.40 | cogwheel | <Offset> |
| 21:59.42 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.43 | cogwheel | </Offset> |
| 21:59.45 | cogwheel | (my first attempt used offsets instead of anchoring to the other textures) |
| 21:59.46 | AnduinLothar | yeah, grab the one out of Cosmos tho cause the orig author retired and the curse one isn't up to date |
| 22:00.16 | Smooth | Is there an FF search plugin for curse? |
| 22:00.20 | Tem | anyway, my question stems from this: Whenever I think of my addon outloud, I typically say "OVERLORD" and not just "Overlord." |
| 22:00.22 | Smooth | If not, are they hard to mae? |
| 22:00.25 | Smooth | *make |
| 22:00.25 | cogwheel | yes, smooth |
| 22:00.33 | Tem | it's just one of those words that you have to say like that... |
| 22:00.45 | Smooth | cogwheel how do I get to that |
| 22:01.02 | AnduinLothar | well I was trying to think of a system that would allow me not to use drag and drop |
| 22:01.06 | cogwheel | Click Add Engines |
| 22:01.21 | AnduinLothar | cause i like drag and drop, but i hate openning the spellbook and looking through dozens of spells |
| 22:01.41 | AnduinLothar | when i want to change things on my action bars |
| 22:01.44 | cogwheel | http://mycroft.mozdev.org/ |
| 22:02.36 | AnduinLothar | maybe if I just made an addon that automaticly filled your bars based on class, level and a few config options |
| 22:03.06 | AnduinLothar | cause I know there's an addon that saves state of your actionbars so you can restore it.. |
| 22:03.35 | AnduinLothar | then you could also use it for swaps... |
| 22:03.54 | AnduinLothar | maybe add an event system |
| 22:04.24 | AnduinLothar | like Outfitter/ItemRack for your actionbars |
| 22:04.50 | Smooth | thats what the 6 bars are for, right? |
| 22:04.59 | AnduinLothar | hmm? |
| 22:05.08 | Smooth | the alternate action bars |
| 22:05.29 | AnduinLothar | yeah but the game only lets you swap the main bar w/o an addon |
| 22:05.35 | Cairenn | cogwheel: something broke in latest BuyEmAll |
| 22:05.50 | AnduinLothar | anyway, i'm out |
| 22:05.59 | Cairenn | tell the vendor to fill up my quiver, hit okay, get ... nothing |
| 22:06.04 | cogwheel | hmmmm... |
| 22:06.08 | Cairenn | later AnduinLothar |
| 22:06.30 | Cairenn | a nice long line of "Buying 1 items." but nothing happens |
| 22:06.39 | cogwheel | it would help if I took out the hook to keep myself accidentally buying stuff while testing... |
| 22:06.44 | cogwheel | ~bonk cogwheel |
| 22:06.46 | purl | ACTION bonks cogwheel over the head |
| 22:06.47 | AnduinLothar | know what'd also be useful cog: being able to set a default # so that when you right click to buy it buys the default amount |
| 22:06.51 | Mery | maybe the debug mode again? |
| 22:07.08 | AnduinLothar | or buy enough so that you have x amount in your bags |
| 22:07.10 | Cairenn | ummm, and right clicking on something doesn't do anything right now either |
| 22:07.22 | Cairenn | grrrrrrr |
| 22:07.29 | cogwheel | Please disable it for the moment... i'll get a new one up in a few minutes |
| 22:07.49 | Cairenn | yup, just about to, can't play without arrows ... well, can, just not as effectively |
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| 22:09.31 | cogwheel | BuyEmAll.lua line three: delete the comment block closing |
| 22:09.41 | cogwheel | that'll fix it |
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| 22:17.33 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 22:19.24 | Kirkburn1 | Nope, it's not learning its lesson :( |
| 22:19.56 | Kirkburn1 | You'd think getting shot might make you rethink disconnecting me, but no ... |
| 22:21.41 | Kirkburn | madness, it is |
| 22:24.04 | Tem | anyone know where the addon panel's code is? |
| 22:24.11 | Tem | I'm having trouble finding it in the glues |
| 22:29.53 | End | I've seen where it is, but I can't name it offhand |
| 22:32.22 | cogwheel | <Size x="#" y="#"/> > <Size><AbsDimension x="#" y="#"/></Size> |
| 22:32.59 | Kirov | does <Size x y/> work? |
| 22:33.12 | cogwheel | yep. so does <Offset x y/> |
| 22:33.37 | cogwheel | I just shaved about 1K off BuyEmAll's XML |
| 22:34.01 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:34.12 | Kirov | damn, I'm going to have to do that |
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| 22:35.25 | cogwheel | cairenn, just uploaded |
| 22:36.08 | Cairenn | already approved |
| 22:36.36 | Kirov | lol |
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| 22:36.48 | cogwheel | Did i forget to replace the file? |
| 22:38.14 | Cairenn | must have :p |
| 22:38.47 | cogwheel | there we go... |
| 22:39.26 | Cairenn | approved |
| 22:39.51 | cladhaire | evening all |
| 22:40.03 | cogwheel | Ungh... the version numbers got switched around 'cause it wouldn't let me upload the new one without changing the version number. |
| 22:41.13 | Cairenn | what do you want it to be? |
| 22:41.31 | cogwheel | The newest should be 1.11.1. the previous one shouldn't have .1 at the end... |
| 22:41.37 | cogwheel | sorry for the trouble :| |
| 22:41.40 | cladhaire | Does anyone know where the xml for the Addon's frame (the one at char select) is? |
| 22:42.09 | Cairenn | 1.11 is gone :p |
| 22:43.15 | Cairenn | newest is now 1.11.1 |
| 22:43.25 | Cairenn | did I get that right? |
| 22:43.39 | cogwheel | yes. thank you :) |
| 22:43.42 | Cairenn | np |
| 22:45.46 | Abenadi | 16 is the max unit buffs right? or is that debuffs and buffs is more? |
| 22:45.56 | Kirov | cladhaire - hmm, I can't find it either |
| 22:46.00 | Cairenn | hi zespri |
| 22:46.09 | zespri_work | Cairenn, =))))) |
| 22:46.10 | Smooth | Abenadi: AFAIK 16 debuff, 32 buffs, may be wrong |
| 22:46.12 | Xaayne | Ok so I want to make my own unit frames and my own HUD but I'm honestly at a loss where to start. I've been reading through wowwikki's stuff all day and anyother material referenced off of thier site. Still not sure what to do though. As sad as this sounds the only thing i've been able to get to work all day is a hellow world program. |
| 22:46.30 | Abenadi | thanks smooth |
| 22:46.39 | Kirkburn | Xaayne, looked at similar addons? |
| 22:46.46 | Kirov | Xaayne - is it spelled wrong too? |
| 22:46.54 | zespri_work | Xaayne, take an existing hud/unit frame mod and dissect it |
| 22:47.12 | cogwheel | zinor, you around? |
| 22:47.14 | Smooth | Xaayne: make a window in the middle of your screen, have 2 numbers on it. Catch the event that changes your stats, update the window with the text UnitHealth("player") |
| 22:47.18 | Kirkburn | Hellow world progs are popular Kirov, they're yellow, hollow, and welcoming :) |
| 22:47.19 | cogwheel | zinor, nm |
| 22:47.20 | Smooth | This is the start of unit frames ;) |
| 22:47.39 | zinor | ? |
| 22:47.44 | Kirkburn | (like mercury) |
| 22:47.49 | Kirkburn | (possibly) |
| 22:47.58 | cogwheel | Was going to ask you something about curse... figured it out though. |
| 22:48.03 | Kirkburn | (if it was hollow and welcoming) |
| 22:48.24 | Kirov | are there any auctioneer devs here? |
| 22:48.35 | Kirkburn | zinor, what's a lotro? |
| 22:48.59 | zinor | lord of the rings online |
| 22:49.17 | Kirkburn | Any good? |
| 22:49.22 | zinor | ya it looks promising |
| 22:49.24 | zinor | but its too early to tell |
| 22:49.27 | zinor | they could still really mess it up |
| 22:49.38 | zinor | (as they have with every other mmo they've made) |
| 22:49.55 | Cairenn | http://lotro.turbine.com/forums/register.phphttp://lotro.turbine.com/forums/register.php |
| 22:50.08 | cladhaire | zomg double link |
| 22:50.14 | cladhaire | twice the pleasure =) |
| 22:50.20 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 22:50.28 | Cairenn | http://lotro.turbine.com/forums/register.php |
| 22:50.40 | Kirkburn | here's hoping |
| 22:51.13 | Kirkburn | Why you making me register? :/ |
| 22:51.38 | Kirkburn | I'm far to lazy for that |
| 22:51.46 | zinor | anyone try dark messiah yet? |
| 22:52.00 | Smooth | Who what? |
| 22:52.45 | Kirkburn | Haha, this sounds like Apple: http://www.danamania.com/temp/vgs.jpg |
| 22:53.08 | zinor | getting a mac pro :) |
| 22:53.09 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:53.17 | zinor | oh, ya i saw that |
| 22:53.21 | Kirov | Mac pro seems silly |
| 22:53.24 | zinor | but it said something dif |
| 22:53.38 | zinor | nah they are awesome |
| 22:53.38 | Kirkburn | zinor: http://www.longhornblogs.com/robert/archive/2006/08/07/Apple_Shows_Off_Windows_Vista_Envy_At_WWDC.aspx =) |
| 22:53.54 | zinor | lmao |
| 22:54.05 | Kirkburn | I think OSX is cool too (never tried it), but I'm tired of Apple's PR studd |
| 22:54.08 | Kirkburn | *stuff |
| 22:54.24 | Kirov | to misquote the movie Aladdin, "ABSOLUTE POWER, itty bitty program selection" |
| 22:55.24 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:55.59 | ckknight | how do I get the frame my cursor's hovering over? |
| 22:56.27 | Kirkburn | I've never actually found an OSX user inorder to play with it |
| 22:56.32 | Kirov | GetMouseFocus() |
| 22:56.39 | ckknight | thanks |
| 22:57.40 | Smooth | I have an apple laptop that I basicly gave my parents and upgraded to a PC laptop. I found OSX to be limiting too flashy |
| 22:57.44 | Smooth | just my 2cp |
| 22:58.19 | Smooth | also "Im a PC, Im not good at basic tasks like opening a program such as photoshop" adds need to stop |
| 22:59.15 | Kirov | Using an apple is like driving a Saab. Once you use it you can't use anything else ... not because what you're using is better but because it's so ass backwards your frame or refence won't let you ever learn how to use anything else. |
| 22:59.18 | Hexarobi | dont hate just cuz your the one in the ad wearing the pocket protector |
| 22:59.33 | Kirov | s/frame or/frame of/ |
| 22:59.42 | Kirkburn | Those ads just piss me off |
| 23:00.28 | Kirov | There's something about apple users. |
| 23:00.37 | Kirov | They look different. |
| 23:01.12 | Kirov | You see someone walk in to a compusa and you know as they step out of their car that they're going in to buy a mac. |
| 23:01.14 | Kirkburn | They've all got little beards and 'cool' clothes? |
| 23:01.17 | Smooth | They want Hillary Clinton to be president *ducks* |
| 23:02.08 | Kirkburn | Not sure who I want to president (not that I get a choice anyway) |
| 23:02.17 | Kirkburn | s/to/to be/ |
| 23:02.21 | ckknight | Mike Badnarik ftw. |
| 23:02.40 | Smooth | Yea my political views are apethetic at best lol |
| 23:03.44 | Smooth | In all honesty, macs aren't that bad, I just dont like the hardware lockin. I could see myself getting used to OSX if I used it enough. |
| 23:04.06 | Smooth | Oh and their main selling point is "cool factor" which I don't go for |
| 23:05.11 | Kirkburn | I don't want to be associated with Apple in it's current form - once they get over themselves, maybe (I talk about the PR and execs, not the devs) |
| 23:05.39 | Kirov | Apple devs are exceptionally compitent |
| 23:05.46 | Tem | agreed |
| 23:05.52 | Kirkburn | Certainly |
| 23:05.54 | Tem | their PR department has a headcase |
| 23:06.09 | Kirkburn | As are MS devs :) |
| 23:06.25 | Kirkburn | It's the people near the top who need some sense |
| 23:06.36 | Smooth | Pretty much if you work for a "famous" company, you are going to be good or fired |
| 23:06.40 | Smooth | MS, apple, blizzard etc.. |
| 23:06.46 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 23:06.57 | Kirov | With OSX apple took a huge leap by breaking backwards compatibility for a lot of stuff. |
| 23:07.37 | Kirov | I kind of feel like that's the only reason they've been able to innovate in a lot of areas that MS hasn't yet. |
| 23:07.41 | Smooth | People post these silly things on the boards like "ZomG why can't you fix this, its just a simple _____ error". I think to myself, "I'm sure the 4-5 people with 10+ years of industry experiance working on that problem don't already know that /sarcasm" |
| 23:08.02 | Kirkburn | Totally agree with both of you |
| 23:08.30 | Smooth | Kirov: Yea, also though, you must admit that 99% of custom, small userbase, software is written for windows and not mac |
| 23:08.47 | Kirkburn | Some people need to understand that a company is not a single person :/ |
| 23:08.50 | Smooth | Yea alot of people use mac, and of those 99% use adobe, or office, or both and not much inbetween |
| 23:09.14 | Smooth | Getting a literal handfull of developers to use your new platform is alot easier for apple's situation |
| 23:09.15 | Kirkburn | (interesting fact, since Jobs began as CEO, Apple has lost market share every single year) |
| 23:09.16 | Kirov | Smooth - hence the reason why MS has been unable to break backwards compatability. |
| 23:09.28 | Kirov | Kirkburn - I saw that. |
| 23:09.56 | Kirov | I don't think that's the fault of Steve Jobs |
| 23:10.05 | Kirkburn | Indeed no |
| 23:10.17 | Kirov | I think that's the fault of pc hardware getting up to muster and Win98 |
| 23:10.20 | Kirkburn | It's just the market, and Apple's methodology |
| 23:10.26 | Tem | still funny though :) |
| 23:10.51 | Kirov | Not terribly sure how much Apple cares about it's desktop market at this point. |
| 23:10.58 | Kirkburn | If they stopped making Apple stuff so 'exclusive', they'd have a chance |
| 23:11.06 | Smooth | Kirov, as opposed to portable? |
| 23:11.17 | Kirov | Smooth - exactly |
| 23:11.28 | Kirov | Kirkburn - Aye |
| 23:11.51 | Kirov | Kirkburn - you know why that stopped, right? |
| 23:11.53 | Kirkburn | I had to remove my parent's PC of iTunes yesterday |
| 23:11.54 | Smooth | Kirkburn, seriosuly. Large workstation shops require modular components, easy replacements, easy imaging, easy upgrades |
| 23:12.01 | Kirkburn | s/remove/rid/ |
| 23:12.04 | Smooth | Apple looses on most of those fronts due to hardware lockin |
| 23:12.39 | Kirkburn | It's naughty how they pretty much force you to install Quicktime with iTunes now |
| 23:13.10 | Kirkburn | I had a look on the website, and I couldn't find the 'standalone' link |
| 23:13.12 | Smooth | The market now is moving toward standard interfaces + modular components as opposed to integrated solutions IMO |
| 23:13.12 | Kirov | Apple used to allow third party hardware. They stopped it for two reasons, A) the third party hardware was cheaper / faster and apple was loosing money because of them, and B) someone released hardware that ran both Mac OS and Dos natively. |
| 23:13.59 | Kirkburn | It's a kind of self-obsession |
| 23:14.02 | Kirov | Kirkburn - QuicktimeAlternate is your friend |
| 23:14.11 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, I use that :) |
| 23:14.26 | Kirkburn | I just had to install it to fix a broken previous install :( |
| 23:14.50 | Kirkburn | I installed and removed it immediately, then switched to the alt qt |
| 23:15.07 | Smooth | iTunes used to be cool, but now its just a medium to deliver ITMS it seems. That and the whole iPod paradigm is really bad when compared to competative products. |
| 23:15.11 | Kirkburn | Once the iPod income downturns, Apple are gonna have trouble |
| 23:15.21 | Smooth | Not that I listen to music outside of sirius and pandora |
| 23:15.36 | Kirkburn | I'm disappointed that so few people think of looking elsewhere for players |
| 23:15.50 | Kirkburn | Creative's players are excellent, for example |
| 23:15.51 | Kirov | iPods = really nice, but I use third party programs to load .mp3s on to it. I've never once used iTunes. |
| 23:15.53 | Smooth | My brother got a Creative Zen player, it seems ALOT better from my limited experiance with ipod |
| 23:16.04 | Smooth | Kirov: thats smart |
| 23:16.06 | Kirkburn | (and moer importantly, compatible with file formats people actually use) |
| 23:16.06 | Kirov | recent gen Zen players are good. |
| 23:16.15 | Kirkburn | I have a Zen Vision:M :) |
| 23:16.18 | Kirov | first and second gen Zens were pretty mediocre |
| 23:16.34 | Kirkburn | Tis true, but they're great nowadays |
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| 23:16.39 | Smooth | As much as I dont like DRM, I think microsoft's "open" DRM format is better than apples "closed" one |
| 23:16.54 | Kirov | Mikk - can it play MP3s? |
| 23:16.57 | Mikk | Oya |
| 23:17.03 | Kirkburn | Mine can too :P |
| 23:17.17 | Mikk | 1 gig of flash on it too :-P |
| 23:17.27 | Mikk | oh, and mpeg and avi:s |
| 23:17.28 | Mikk | : |
| 23:17.32 | Kirkburn | What mobile is it? |
| 23:17.39 | Mikk | sonyericsson something semirecent |
| 23:17.47 | Kirkburn | Not a W900i?? |
| 23:17.50 | Smooth | Alright guys I gotta book, see ya :) |
| 23:17.52 | Kirkburn | White and orange? |
| 23:17.57 | Mikk | not so much no |
| 23:18.01 | Mikk | sec, i'll go find out |
| 23:18.46 | Kirkburn | (I refuse to call a mobile fone a 'c**lfone. Gah) |
| 23:19.03 | Kirkburn | Aah, somehow I have turned on overtype |
| 23:19.30 | Mikk | K750i |
| 23:19.42 | Kirkburn | Mine's a w900i :P |
| 23:19.56 | Mikk | feck knows. got it from work. i'm not gonna complain :-) |
| 23:20.02 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:20.30 | Kirkburn | Dammit, how did I turn overtype on? |
| 23:20.44 | Kirkburn | I don't even have an 'insert' key |
| 23:20.56 | Mikk | poond |
| 23:21.35 | ckknight | alt - keypad 0 |
| 23:22.27 | Kirkburn | Still happening |
| 23:23.03 | Kirkburn | frick |
| 23:23.25 | Kirkburn | hope it magically turns off when I restart |
| 23:23.58 | Kirov | http://motorola.digitalriver.com/DRHM/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayProductDetailsPage&SiteID=motostor&Locale=en_US&Env=BASE&productID=36234500 - my phone |
| 23:24.10 | Kirkburn | Mikk, how does WoWWiki:RC work? |
| 23:24.39 | Kirkburn | looks nice |
| 23:24.51 | Kirkburn | Not a clamshell person though myself |
| 23:25.12 | Kirov | I'm not a fan of candybar style |
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| 23:26.06 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:26.13 | Corrodias | ugh |
| 23:26.25 | Kirov | I have huge thumbs, heh |
| 23:26.26 | Corrodias | i slept for nigh unto 12 hours, but it was on the couch so it wasn't so great |
| 23:27.29 | Kirkburn | silly |
| 23:29.14 | Corrodias | i'd say i'm 50% of the way finished with my automatic "lookup the median price for an item on allakhazam" program's first "complete" state |
| 23:29.29 | Corrodias | though nearly everything is done, the most difficult part yet remains |
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| 23:32.18 | Kirov | Corrodias - is this for allakhazam, or are you parsing the existing information? |
| 23:33.32 | Corrodias | that is, you give it an item name, and it connects to allakhazam to find the median price |
| 23:34.01 | Corrodias | it seems more accurate for long-term values than my auctioneer database |
| 23:35.20 | Corrodias | of course, you can't communicate with an outside program via an addon, but it monitors the clipboard for information. |
| 23:35.51 | Corrodias | and places the price information back into the clipboard, with audio cues for how the lookup process is going |
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| 23:37.07 | Kirov | Corrodias - monitors the clipboard? |
| 23:38.54 | Corrodias | so you would copy, say, "WIRlookup: [Hunting Bow]". i don't know what an item link looks like on the clipboard but it probably isn't plain text, so it may be that it will need an addon to make the process more convenient by giving you the exact text to copy. |
| 23:39.02 | Corrodias | select it and control+c, like. |
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| 23:40.00 | Corrodias | i've seen addons that give you text to copy from within WoW, which is why i believe it's possible |
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| 23:43.51 | Corrodias | Kirov: does that make sense? i hope i'm not working on something that won't work in the end, but it would be better to find out now |
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| 23:44.18 | Kirov | Corrodias - aye, it does. Cool idea |
| 23:51.40 | Corrodias | it will be much easier if it can recognize an item link in the clipboard as plain text, but i don't think WoW treats them that way, despite the fact that pasting into wordpad makes it come out as plain text |
| 23:51.54 | Corrodias | i wouldn't have to make an addon to complement the program if that works |
| 23:54.03 | Corrodias | however, the clipboard was the first thing i could think of that would work to communicate with a program outside of WoW from within the game. i'm not aware of another way, really, except keyboard combinations, which wouldn't help when you have to specify text. |
