| 00:00.07 | Kirkburn | hello there |
| 00:00.25 | Kirkburn | DFS, DFS, isn't that a store that sells sofas? |
| 00:00.38 | Kirkburn | (http://www.dfsonline.co.uk/) |
| 00:00.44 | Tem | donate fucking sofas? |
| 00:01.15 | Corrodias | jeez, change that to TFS and we could be on the eldre'thalas forums |
| 00:01.56 | JoshBorke | s/D/T/ |
| 00:02.00 | Corrodias | TFS being The Final Sanctum, an exclusively elite alliance guild |
| 00:02.38 | Kirkburn | ~poke purl |
| 00:02.40 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:03.02 | Kirkburn | purl hates you JoshBorke :P |
| 00:03.06 | JoshBorke | i guess i took too long... |
| 00:03.14 | JoshBorke | he got impatient and forgot out me :-( |
| 00:03.38 | Kirkburn | (Tem, it's actuallly Direct Furniture Supplies but I like yours more) |
| 00:03.49 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:23.10 | Tem | Iriel|working, what's the difference between DisabledCheckTexture and DisabledTexture on a CheckButton? |
| 00:23.10 | JoshBorke | ok, i'm horribly frustrated now |
| 00:23.28 | JoshBorke | why does vim keep adding ^? when i press backspace? |
| 00:23.53 | Tem | because vim is eveil |
| 00:23.57 | Tem | eeeevil |
| 00:24.08 | JoshBorke | blaspheem! |
| 00:24.17 | JoshBorke | ~whaleslap Tem |
| 00:24.19 | purl | ACTION beats Tem upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 00:24.22 | Tem | ~whaleparry |
| 00:24.36 | bieZt | Oh my god now my wow refuses to load .lua's by <script name="X.lua"> |
| 00:24.38 | bieZt | why ? |
| 00:25.28 | Kirov | Anyone know of an easy way to connect to an irc server behind a firewall (not including using a web irc client like I currently am) |
| 00:25.56 | zenzelezz | alternative ports not working? |
| 00:26.32 | JoshBorke | Kirov: ssh tunnel out |
| 00:26.43 | Kirov | How would I go about that? |
| 00:26.59 | JoshBorke | hrm, i don't remember the syntax |
| 00:27.57 | JoshBorke | ssh -L <some port on local machine>:<irc server>:<irc server port> <ssh server> |
| 00:29.35 | Iriel|working | Tem: Whether the button is checked |
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| 00:29.55 | Tem | methinks I typed it wrong |
| 00:30.02 | Tem | DisabledTexture |
| 00:30.05 | Tem | oh |
| 00:30.06 | Tem | OOOH |
| 00:30.24 | Tem | D'oh! |
| 00:30.40 | Tem | thanks lol |
| 00:31.16 | Tem | and here I was thinking that maybe the wiki was wrong about putting check buttons as a subclass of button |
| 00:31.35 | Abenadi | I made one of my fonts gamefontnormalsmall, and now it seems the text sometimes cuts short followed by "...". Is that an aspect of the gamefontnormal fontstring? and if so can I add an attribute that will change just that one aspect? |
| 00:32.00 | zenzelezz | the WoW widgets reminds me a lot about Windows' controls |
| 00:32.11 | JoshBorke | Abenadi, it means the size of the font is too small for the amount of text you are putting, just increase the parent's width |
| 00:33.34 | Tem | Abenadi, that's a result of the fontstring being too small |
| 00:33.50 | Abenadi | Can't I just have it wrap to another line rather than trail off? |
| 00:33.53 | Tem | I'd suggest just letting it adjust itself unless you really need it to be contrained |
| 00:34.08 | Tem | it won't wrap if it doesn't have vertical space |
| 00:34.09 | Abenadi | If I let it adjust itself, will it never wrap? |
| 00:34.31 | Abenadi | The height ought to be unlimited |
| 00:34.40 | Abenadi | relatively |
| 00:34.57 | Tem | yay! |
| 00:35.02 | Tem | he wrote it up all nice |
| 00:35.07 | Tem | way better than I could explain here |
| 00:35.11 | Tem | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString |
| 00:35.17 | Tem | three cheers for the wiki! |
| 00:35.35 | Tem | aah, Mikk did it |
| 00:35.43 | Tem | guess legorol never got around to it |
| 00:36.25 | Abenadi | Yeah I've seen that Tem, just confused as to why I never had the trailing issue until I switched to the smaller font, before it would take up all the height it wanted |
| 00:36.42 | Tem | poll your fontstring |
| 00:36.50 | Tem | see if it's got a height/width set |
| 00:37.12 | Abenadi | it has a width set sometimes, never height |
| 00:37.34 | Abenadi | although now its doing the same thing with the original font... I think i know what happened |
| 00:37.48 | Abenadi | added a couple anchors that are maybe constraining it |
| 00:37.58 | clad|work | ~seen cairenn |
| 00:38.04 | purl | cairenn is currently on #wowi-lounge (1h 38m 53s) #wowace (1h 38m 53s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1h 32m 44s, last said: 'not mooses :p'. |
| 00:38.05 | clad|work | ~seen cairenn|afk |
| 00:38.07 | purl | cairenn|afk is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace, last said: 'I did'. |
| 00:39.06 | End | Kirov: I could join your guild too! |
| 00:39.14 | End | although, my character is a bit low of level |
| 00:40.21 | Kirov | End - lol, what level? |
| 00:40.24 | End | 37 |
| 00:40.37 | End | I've had this character for about a year and a half though :P |
| 00:40.40 | Kirov | hehe, yeah, probably a bit low. |
| 00:40.41 | End | I just don't play it much |
| 00:40.46 | Kirkburn | um, anyone know if there's a new Cosmos patcher out - my cosmos wants to update :O |
| 00:41.03 | Kirov | al? |
| 00:41.17 | Kirkburn | ~poke AnduinLothar |
| 00:41.19 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind AnduinLothar, pokes AnduinLothar repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:41.19 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:41.25 | Kirov | home time for me |
| 00:41.37 | Abenadi | hmmm well I am setting the height, but I am setting it to the getheight() of the fontstring + a buffer |
| 00:42.36 | Kirkburn | zomg no! |
| 00:42.39 | Kirkburn | Dammit |
| 00:42.53 | Kirkburn | What is thott up to ... the cosmos patcher is updating to the thott patcher |
| 00:43.14 | Kirkburn | What's the cosmos IRC channel? |
| 00:44.51 | Mery | irc.datavertex.com:6667 #cosmostesters |
| 00:45.15 | Kirkburn | Ta |
| 00:57.09 | Kirkburn | See ya'll tomorrow =) |
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| 00:58.22 | MentalPower | [SERVER] Restart in 10:00 |
| 01:00.29 | JoshBorke | PIZZA! |
| 01:00.30 | JoshBorke | WOOHOOO! |
| 01:02.04 | End | oh |
| 01:02.10 | End | I see what you mean, MentalPower |
| 01:02.18 | End | I'm on Draka too right now :P |
| 01:02.23 | MentalPower | yeah |
| 01:02.28 | MentalPower | second one tonight |
| 01:03.05 | MentalPower | kinds bad for coding |
| 01:03.15 | MentalPower | s/kinds/kinda/ |
| 01:03.32 | End | yea |
| 01:04.04 | End | what the hell |
| 01:04.05 | End | my code works |
| 01:04.10 | End | (well, so far) |
| 01:04.21 | Abenadi | I have a frame where enableMouse is set to false, and it contains only fontstrings. Shouldn't I be able to click 'through' it? |
| 01:06.51 | MentalPower | yeah, you should |
| 01:08.11 | MentalPower | just confrmed, yes you can |
| 01:08.57 | End | ack, need to find another realm now |
| 01:09.47 | MentalPower | just wait a few secs |
| 01:09.52 | MentalPower | server restarts don't take that long |
| 01:10.08 | End | meh |
| 01:11.33 | MentalPower | there, draka is back |
| 01:13.27 | End | okie |
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| 01:16.11 | Guillotine | ROFL. some of the blizz GMs are so horrible... I had a bug in BRD today where all of a sudden my char was running as fast as a mount. So I sent in a petition. I get a message back about how to uninstall addons :/ If an addon could do that, it would technically be legal... which I doubt going mount-speed while not mounted is |
| 01:16.48 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:16.49 | MentalPower | welcome to the club |
| 01:17.11 | End | that's a pretty funny bug though |
| 01:17.16 | Guillotine | it was kind of cool |
| 01:17.30 | Guillotine | except I was worried about being banned so I restarted WoW. it fixed it |
| 01:17.39 | End | yeah, I'd be worried too :-/ |
| 01:19.56 | Miranoff | hey guys: I just got through reading the tutorial on tabs on wowwiki, have a few questions though: 1) i have two tab buttons in my frame, now shoudl I make a seprate frame for the second tab? is there a mor ein depth tutorial on those? |
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| 01:28.59 | MentalPower | yes each tab should be its own discrete frame |
| 01:31.35 | Miranoff | ok, lemme make sur ei got this right then, Tab1 button definition goes in frame1, Tab2 button definition goes in Frame2? |
| 01:32.43 | MentalPower | yep |
| 01:33.00 | Thrae | What's a good, light, not-super-Flexbar-fancy action bar mod? |
| 01:33.13 | JoshBorke | visor |
| 01:33.45 | Thrae | Yeah I'm going to suggest Visor to my guild, but a lot of people will probably get turned off by its complexity. |
| 01:34.02 | Miranoff | Awesome, thank you much MentalPower! |
| 01:34.21 | JoshBorke | Thrae: i've heard bongos is pretty good |
| 01:34.44 | Cide | bah |
| 01:34.54 | Cide | why can't we get an event for when a buff is refreshed |
| 01:35.25 | Cide | player only if need be, doesn't really matter |
| 01:35.37 | Cide | I imagine the client wouldn't know for other people |
| 01:35.56 | JoshBorke | why would the blizzard UI need to know if a buff was refreshed? |
| 01:36.07 | Cide | I do, not the blizzard ui! |
| 01:36.22 | Cide | it doesn't for any current features, obviously |
| 01:36.30 | JoshBorke | magically our blizzard UI matched up =X |
| 01:36.31 | MentalPower | JoshBorke: if we used that line of thought we woudn't have mods at all |
| 01:36.49 | Cide | it could flash the icon for all I care |
| 01:36.55 | JoshBorke | MentalPower, i'd say we'd have mods, but we wouldn't have seen the support we've seen with getting new features added :-) |
| 01:37.37 | JoshBorke | Cide: it seems like an obvious thing we should have, but off the top of my head i can't think of a reason why i'd need it |
| 01:39.01 | Cide | sec faerlina |
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| 01:42.55 | Cide | ok so |
| 01:43.05 | MentalPower | how efficient is unpack() |
| 01:43.12 | cladhaire | MentalPower: Define efficient =) |
| 01:43.30 | cladhaire | speed-wise? quicker than alternatives |
| 01:43.38 | Cide | doesn't create any garbage, defined in c so it's faster than the lua alternative |
| 01:43.47 | Cide | as far as I know, anyway |
| 01:44.52 | MentalPower | is it better to unpack a table thats semi-fixed in size (2, 3 or 4 values) or to go manually thru the table? |
| 01:44.53 | Cide | the default UI doesn't need it, but it's annoying as hell to figure out when a buff is refreshed |
| 01:46.04 | JoshBorke | i believe you said that before :-D |
| 01:46.06 | cladhaire | well you can onupdate your buffs =) |
| 01:46.09 | cladhaire | and track the time left. |
| 01:46.12 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 01:46.20 | JoshBorke | and just check to see if the time left is more than the previous time left |
| 01:46.50 | Cide | that's what I did |
| 01:46.57 | cladhaire | it sucks tho |
| 01:46.58 | cladhaire | the UI chats |
| 01:46.59 | cladhaire | cheats |
| 01:47.01 | Cide | but since buff indices change, you need to track by name |
| 01:47.06 | cladhaire | just updating the buff timers every refresh |
| 01:47.20 | Cide | which sucks even more |
| 01:47.20 | JoshBorke | why not track by texture? |
| 01:47.24 | End | I've noticed Noggenfogger is bad |
| 01:47.27 | JoshBorke | or is it duplicate textures ftl |
| 01:47.29 | Cide | because you can have the same texture for several buffs |
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| 01:47.58 | cladhaire | you could use the index tho |
| 01:48.03 | End | CTMod's buff warning used to freak out when noggenfogger was about to end |
| 01:48.04 | cladhaire | since new buffs always go after old buffs |
| 01:48.06 | cladhaire | correct? |
| 01:48.34 | JoshBorke | unless you lose an old buff and then get a rebuff right after you lose it, so it'll geta new index? |
| 01:48.41 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:48.42 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:49.08 | Cide | not that I know of |
| 01:49.17 | Cide | indices change randomly as far as I know |
| 01:49.21 | JoshBorke | then again, i know nothing about it :-D |
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| 02:06.53 | Miranoff | hrmm, ok another Tabs question here is my setup in XML: I have my MainFrame, inside that fram i have my two tabbing frames (the things that have the UI elements on it) inside TabFrame1 i have my Tab1 Button, niside TabFrame2 i have my Tab2 button, both buttons are named MainFrameTab# (with # being either 1 or 2).. I know Im doing somethign wrong cause its not workign but im not sure what it is im doing wrong |
| 02:07.58 | Miranoff | and before the frame is shown for the first time, I am calling PanelTemplates_Tab_OnClick(MainFrame); |
| 02:10.02 | Miranoff | sorry for the new guy type questions, im having a hard time following the logic :/ |
| 02:10.58 | Miranoff | oh hrmm, ok its registering the tabs now at least :) |
| 02:11.35 | JoshBorke | night all |
| 02:11.40 | Miranoff | night josh |
| 02:11.42 | JoshBorke | logging off IRC so i finish doing work |
| 02:12.07 | Miranoff | ignore my earlier question i think I might be able to fiddle with it some more an dget it to work |
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| 03:38.54 | Abenadi | anyone tell me the function for converting a timestamp value (from time()) into hours / minutes? (link?) |
| 03:46.59 | Kirov | date("%h:%m") ? |
| 03:52.53 | Abenadi | thanks |
| 03:53.09 | Kirov | date("%I:%M") actually |
| 03:53.23 | Kirov | capital i, |
| 03:54.01 | Abenadi | what is the I? if %H is 24hr format? |
| 03:54.28 | Kirov | frick if I know |
| 03:56.23 | Kirov | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/strftime.html |
| 03:59.08 | Abenadi | ok thanks |
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| 04:07.48 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 04:08.00 | Esamynn | Cairenn: interesting Topic ;) |
| 04:08.10 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:08.14 | End | I see what people were talking about when they say that disabling addons clears your layout cache |
| 04:08.36 | MentalPower | End: yeah, quite annoying in CTRA |
| 04:08.54 | Cide | CTRA doesn't use the layout cache very much actually... |
| 04:08.58 | Esamynn | CTRA saves it's own positions |
| 04:09.06 | End | CTRA was actually the one thing that -didn't- get reset |
| 04:09.07 | Esamynn | oh, Hi Cide ;) |
| 04:09.12 | Cide | hi :) |
| 04:09.25 | End | it's no biggie though, I have a backup anyways |
| 04:09.28 | Miranoff | hey guys quick question: I have two frames inside a main frame, the two "subframes" are being tabbed between, can i make it so that when a subframe is dragged it will drag the mainframe and other subdframe with it? |
| 04:09.28 | Thrae | Lore and DruidBar are the only two addons of mine which use the Layout-Cache, and they BOTH default to the center of the screen |
| 04:09.53 | End | oh bah |
| 04:09.55 | End | that's weird |
| 04:10.10 | End | I restored my layout frame, and it looks like...well, I'm not sure |
| 04:10.16 | End | erm |
| 04:10.22 | End | layout cache I mean |
| 04:10.39 | End | I'm not sure what happened, but my ctraid windows are overlapping now |
| 04:11.18 | End | how is the scaling stored? o_O |
| 04:12.01 | End | oh wait nvm |
| 04:12.09 | End | I forgot, this layout cache is a little old |
| 04:12.15 | Thrae | Cairenn: Where's a good place on wowi forums to talk about your own interface collection? |
| 04:12.52 | Esamynn | Miranoff: yes you can, instead of calling :StartMoving() on the subframe, call it on the main frame |
| 04:12.57 | Cairenn | released |
| 04:13.17 | Miranoff | DOH, thanks |
| 04:14.47 | Esamynn | MentalPower: so what do you think of Norganna's new forum software? |
| 04:15.28 | Thrae | Cairenn: I'm not releasing anything (I don't believe in addon packs, I think they're stupid), I'm just posting links to addons I use and possible alternatives if people don't like them. IE, addons I don't think totally suck. Some of the links are not in WoWInterface. |
| 04:15.42 | MentalPower | well, after the shock of change, I think they're pretty good |
| 04:15.57 | MentalPower | perhaps not as full featured as the old ones but still adequate |
| 04:16.10 | Esamynn | I really don't like them, although I can't pin down what it is about them specifically |
| 04:16.13 | Cairenn | ah ... ummm, probably http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7 then Thrae |
| 04:16.20 | Cairenn | and I don't care if you link to the other sites |
| 04:16.25 | Miranoff | Esamynn: i love you :P works liek a charm... |
| 04:16.39 | Esamynn | you're welcome |
| 04:16.46 | Thrae | Cairenn: OK, I was just making sure. |
| 04:16.53 | Cairenn | np |
| 04:17.31 | Thrae | And about "addon packs being stupid", I just think the packs which are JUST a collection of addons, unaltered, is a silly idea unless you can't get them anywhere else. Otherwise people won't know where to go to get updates. |
| 04:17.48 | Thrae | Stuff like T. King's Custom UIs I don't consider to be "addon packs". |
| 04:17.54 | Cairenn | most compilations are stupid |
| 04:18.10 | Esamynn | MentalPower: I think it's mainly they are _too_ few features, they don't really feel like forums boards |
| 04:18.13 | Cairenn | ones that have been customized, ala Insomniax, those make sense |
| 04:18.16 | Cairenn | or Cosmos |
| 04:18.23 | Esamynn | there* |
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| 04:18.57 | Thrae | Eh, I still view Cosmos as Cosmos and the "Official Cosmos Addon Pack" |
| 04:19.16 | MentalPower | Esamynn: well, norgs says that he really likes how they're written. and compared to the old ones are extremely secure |
| 04:19.17 | Thrae | Err, the Cosmos Libraries / Cosmos Embedded Libraries / Cosmos Dependencies I mean |
| 04:19.38 | Thrae | In the end, they're still a bunch of separately maintained addons. |
| 04:20.30 | Esamynn | yes, I understand that, but there's NO quote button! ;) |
| 04:21.26 | MentalPower | hmm... I didn't notice that |
| 04:21.59 | Thrae | I should make my own "Addon Pack Updater" executable (Non-Cosmos) which goes to the websites and tries to download updates. |
| 04:22.53 | MentalPower | Thrae: its been tried before, and the end result is that the different websites use different download means |
| 04:23.07 | MentalPower | look at the WoWGuruPatcher for the most recent iteration |
| 04:23.12 | Thrae | Hmm, my list is too long at 24832 characters. Damn maximum 10,000 character limit. |
| 04:23.22 | Kirov | Cide - so, for CTRA's hidden channel, I added a "not CT_RA_DEBUG" in the ChatFrame_OnEvent hook ... works well |
| 04:24.10 | Cide | heh, suppose I could add that |
| 04:25.19 | Esamynn | ack, the import process made a real mess of my DB design post :( |
| 04:25.53 | Esamynn | MentalPower: full of tags!!! :0 |
| 04:35.01 | Cairenn | nice post Thrae |
| 04:35.26 | Thrae | Sorry for the triple post, I'll delete it if it's breaking any rules ^^; |
| 04:35.50 | Thrae | I just thought after 2 hours of work, someone other then my guild should benefit from this. |
| 04:37.38 | Cairenn | now Thrae, if I had any problems with it, do you really think I'd have just complimented you on it? |
| 04:38.58 | Thrae | Cairenn: It's hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and innocence over the Internet, and I'm in a lot of EFNet channels... |
| 04:39.06 | Cairenn | true enough |
| 04:39.21 | Cairenn | no, I like the post, it's very well thought out, I have no problem with it |
| 04:39.25 | Thrae | There, "we like what you said" means "we want to hurt you personally" |
| 04:40.15 | Kirov | Cide - for your 1.12+ versions, just have CT_RA_DEBUG print the addon message to getglobal("ChatFrame"..CT_RA_DEBUG) |
| 04:41.10 | Cide | but I'm lazy :( |
| 04:41.30 | Cairenn | DEATH THE THE HEATHEN! |
| 04:43.18 | Cide | argh! |
| 04:43.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:49.58 | MentalPower | Esamynn: norgs told me to look into vanilla's extensions (http://lussumo.com/addons/index.php?PostBackAction=Search&Type=Extensions) and point out any that we would like included |
| 04:50.30 | Esamynn | ~lazy |
| 04:50.34 | purl | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 04:50.44 | MentalPower | lol |
| 04:54.00 | Cairenn | ~laziness |
| 04:54.02 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 04:54.26 | Esamynn | ROFL |
| 04:55.19 | MentalPower | nice |
| 04:55.46 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
| 04:55.55 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZZzz |
| 04:57.08 | Esamynn | good night |
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| 05:42.53 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 05:43.03 | Cairenn | night Esamynn |
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| 05:52.33 | InterSlayer | is there a limit to how many channels you can join/leave per session? |
| 05:52.51 | Kirov | over time, no |
| 05:52.55 | Kirov | at once, yes |
| 05:53.04 | InterSlayer | oh. whats the limit? |
| 05:53.11 | wereHamster | 10 |
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| 05:58.58 | s|loup | hi |
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| 10:25.28 | s|loup | is there a command to downswing from a mount? |
| 10:25.40 | s|loup | dismount |
| 10:28.15 | wereHamster | UseInventoryItem() or CancelPlayerBuff() |
| 10:28.39 | s|loup | ah thanks |
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| 10:33.22 | Grem | Hey all |
| 10:33.42 | Grem_Warsong | Does anyone know how to emulate the popup window you get when you click an item link? |
| 10:34.08 | Grem_Warsong | As in, I have an item link stored in an array, and I want it to popup a window as if you clicked the item in a chat window |
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| 10:40.28 | wereHamster | GameTooltip:SetItem() ? |
| 10:41.09 | wereHamster | and maybe you'll need :SetOwner() and :Show() , too |
| 10:42.04 | Grem_Warsong | hmm |
| 10:42.11 | Grem_Warsong | what about SetHyperlink? |
| 10:43.19 | wereHamster | what does wowwiki.com say? |
| 10:45.04 | Grem_Warsong | GameTooltip:SetHyperlink(link) - Shows the tooltip for the specified hyperlink (usually item link). |
| 10:45.13 | Grem_Warsong | That looks like what I want, but it's definitely not working |
| 10:46.09 | wereHamster | what exactly isn't working? |
| 10:46.46 | Grem_Warsong | GameTooltip:SetHyperlink( GetContainerItemLink(bag,slot) ); |
| 10:47.01 | Grem_Warsong | And bag/slot points to a valid inventory item that is returning a link |
| 10:47.26 | Grem_Warsong | and im doing GameTooltip:Show(), it says: "Unknown Link Type" |
| 10:47.29 | Grem_Warsong | hmm |
| 10:50.29 | wereHamster | GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:16846:0:0:0"); |
| 10:51.08 | wereHamster | and GetContainerItemLink() returns something like "|Hitem:6948:0:0:0|H[Hearthstone]|H" |
| 10:51.14 | Grem_Warsong | Hmm |
| 10:51.18 | Grem_Warsong | Ohhh!! |
| 10:51.24 | Grem_Warsong | Excellent point ;-) |
| 10:52.15 | Grem_Warsong | So I need to remove that extra junk |
| 10:52.23 | wereHamster | yes |
| 10:52.40 | Grem_Warsong | I can manage that =) |
| 10:52.45 | Grem_Warsong | Thanks a bunch man, you're a hero |
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| 11:49.09 | Scak | does anyone know of a good guide to get wow working on ubuntu? |
| 11:49.34 | wereHamster | wine appdb |
| 11:49.54 | wereHamster | http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=4031\ |
| 11:50.10 | Scak | thanks :) |
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| 12:26.27 | AnduinLothar | :) Finally got a Cosmos Test Server distro up and running |
| 12:26.35 | AnduinLothar | tho it's running with errors atm |
| 12:26.56 | AnduinLothar | but you can set the patcher to download it anyway |
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| 12:41.42 | bieZt | hiya |
| 12:41.58 | bieZt | anyone knows how the message for joining or leaving a raid is build up ? |
| 12:42.19 | bieZt | is it X1 X2 the raid in english ? |
| 12:42.32 | bieZt | x1= player x2 = joins/leaves .. |
| 12:42.49 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 12:47.01 | bieZt | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE <--- is this the best event to keep track of joining and leaving raid ?> |
| 12:47.21 | bieZt | or do i have to take the chat message ? |
| 12:47.44 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you find easier |
| 12:49.00 | bieZt | well i want to record the time on which people enter the raid and leave .. |
| 12:49.00 | s|loup | do you want to know who leaves or joins or just to know that someone leaves/joins? |
| 12:49.09 | bieZt | all people ;) |
| 12:49.22 | phyber | if you use the raid_roster_update, you'd have to rescan the raid every time it happens to see who joins/left. with the chat message it already tells you. |
| 12:49.35 | bieZt | what is the event of the chatmessage ? |
| 12:49.40 | s|loup | so specific persons than chat message will be easier |
| 12:49.53 | phyber | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, probably. |
| 12:49.54 | s|loup | system_msg i think |
| 12:50.10 | s|loup | as phyber said |
| 12:54.48 | bieZt | is there a list on wow-wiki of the global.lua names of events ? |
| 12:55.19 | phyber | wowwiki.com/Events ? |
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| 12:57.21 | bieZt | the names of global.lua are different i think ... |
| 12:57.28 | bieZt | see the howto parse events .. |
| 12:57.44 | bieZt | the name is different from the event name O_o |
| 13:00.06 | bieZt | http://www.wowwiki.com/Global_Function_List :) |
| 13:00.25 | Mikk | i don't understand what you're asking |
| 13:00.54 | Mikk | If you want event names, http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 is what you need |
| 13:01.19 | Mikk | and what's global.lua? |
| 13:04.02 | bieZt | Mikk: as far as i know wow has a built-in translation system and the real names of event are build in in global.lua ^^ |
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| 13:04.52 | bieZt | like : CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HONOR_GAIN is called COMBATLOG_HONORGAIN in all language versions of wow =O |
| 13:05.02 | bieZt | according on the how-to |
| 13:05.45 | Mikk | that's globalstrings.lua you want |
| 13:05.58 | bieZt | owk |
| 13:06.00 | bieZt | tnx xD |
| 13:06.36 | Mikk | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua |
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| 13:09.06 | Kirkburn | Btw, heard about the changes to the (solar system) planets? |
| 13:09.31 | Kirkburn | It's almost certain that it'll go up to 12 planets |
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| 13:10.58 | ckknight | Kirkburn, boo, I want my 8 planets |
| 13:11.03 | Corrodias | aw, some of the cool people left |
| 13:11.23 | Kirkburn | But we gain Ceres, Charon and 2003 thingy |
| 13:11.35 | ckknight | Xena? |
| 13:11.49 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure if it's Zena, it might be |
| 13:11.53 | Kirkburn | *Xena |
| 13:12.01 | ckknight | pretty sure |
| 13:12.03 | Kirkburn | It hasn't been named officially yet |
| 13:12.07 | ckknight | I think we should just stop at Neptune :-P |
| 13:12.16 | ckknight | I'll wait for the Astronomers to tell me what to believe |
| 13:12.16 | Kirkburn | Ceres is between mars and jupiter |
| 13:12.20 | Corrodias | eh? somebody's officially changing the system's planetary designations? |
| 13:12.24 | ckknight | it is? |
| 13:12.24 | ckknight | hrm |
| 13:12.35 | ckknight | Corrodias, yea, they want to define what a planet is, apparently |
| 13:12.42 | Corrodias | that could be useful |
| 13:12.47 | Kirkburn | The new definition (is likely to be): |
| 13:13.04 | Corrodias | as far as i'm aware, a planet is a large, mostly spherical body >_> |
| 13:13.17 | ckknight | um, the Sun? |
| 13:13.23 | ckknight | that's large and mostly spherical. |
| 13:13.23 | Corrodias | PLANET SOL |
| 13:13.24 | Kirkburn | A planet is a body that orbits around a sun, but isn't a sun, whose gravitational force is large enough to pull itself into a near spherical shape |
| 13:13.41 | ckknight | we'll see, Kirkburn |
| 13:13.42 | Corrodias | that's not bad |
| 13:13.46 | bieZt | hmm does anyone know which event is triggered on a player leaving/joining a party ? |
| 13:13.58 | bieZt | the globalstrings version ;) |
| 13:14.00 | Kirkburn | (a good article on it: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/08/15/congratulations-its-a-planet/) |
| 13:14.06 | AnduinLothar | wouldn't that make all moons and commits planets too? |
| 13:14.34 | Kirkburn | comets aren't spherical |
| 13:14.47 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure about the moons part |
| 13:14.56 | Kirkburn | aha |
| 13:15.00 | AnduinLothar | so pluto is no longer a planet? |
| 13:15.00 | Kirkburn | "...and is neither a star nor a satellite of a planet." |
| 13:15.04 | Kirkburn | It is |
| 13:15.10 | Kirkburn | It's a dual system with Charon |
| 13:15.13 | AnduinLothar | it's not spherical |
| 13:15.31 | Kirkburn | I thought it was |
| 13:15.38 | AnduinLothar | not so much |
| 13:16.30 | Kirkburn | Are you sure? |
| 13:16.30 | AnduinLothar | mmm, least i thought it wasnt |
| 13:16.39 | AnduinLothar | not so sure any more, lol |
| 13:17.12 | AnduinLothar | meh all the pictures look round enough |
| 13:17.50 | Corrodias | hmm. apparently, my realm now has a "federation of guilds" that cooperates on end instances or something |
| 13:18.20 | Corrodias | unfortunately, my guild's forum doesn't have any stickies about it. that's odd. |
| 13:18.50 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:22.23 | AnduinLothar | nap time |
| 13:22.46 | JoshBorke | nn AnduinLothar |
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| 13:22.58 | Corrodias | it appears to consist currently of 8 small guilds. sounds pretty nifty. |
| 13:23.41 | JoshBorke | we tried that in my guild |
| 13:24.16 | Corrodias | in? as in, within, which is a paradox? |
| 13:24.41 | Corrodias | ;) i'm kidding! i bet you mean your guild tried joining such a group. how did it go? |
| 13:25.30 | End | round sounds rather vague |
| 13:25.54 | JoshBorke | well, the group was called Alliance of Stormreaver and worked pretty well in the beginning (just /random'ing stuff) but then one guy started to sieze control so to speak and the DKP was not assigned fairly as we thought |
| 13:25.57 | Corrodias | it means that planetary classification is still subjective |
| 13:25.58 | JoshBorke | so we left the alliance |
| 13:26.06 | End | yea |
| 13:26.09 | JoshBorke | which then combined into becoming an actual guild |
| 13:26.14 | JoshBorke | with said guy as the GL |
| 13:26.50 | Corrodias | but, it may be that there -are- no astronomical bodies of a certain, intermediary size, as odd as that sounds. maybe i'm just blowing smoke out my ass, or whatever the expression is, though. woo, you will never know~ |
| 13:27.11 | Corrodias | gj getting out of it, then. :o |
| 13:30.16 | Corrodias | this guy writes about some ZG quests, in the context of his addon... "Well, since the Bijous and Coins arent needed for the quests anymore im not gonna continue on this project" |
| 13:30.35 | Corrodias | is this true? i don't really know what he's talking about, but i have some idea. |
| 13:31.25 | End | they aren't needed for the hakkari item rewards |
| 13:31.29 | End | the 5 piece set |
| 13:31.39 | End | the -only- thing that I know of is honor tokens |
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| 13:31.49 | End | s/honor/rep/ |
| 13:31.50 | Corrodias | boy that went right over my head. never mind. :D |
| 13:32.00 | End | each class has a 5 piece set |
| 13:32.01 | End | right? |
| 13:32.09 | End | you used to need the coins and bijous for those |
| 13:32.11 | End | you no longer do |
| 13:32.21 | Corrodias | as far as i'm aware, each class has like eight 5-piece sets >_> |
| 13:32.41 | End | no, no, for ZG there is only one 5-piece set per class |
| 13:32.48 | Corrodias | my highest is a level 51 druid, and i'm still not in the loop as for what the high end content is |
| 13:33.10 | Corrodias | people talk about tiered equipment and i never saw an actual explanation of what that means |
| 13:33.23 | End | high tier = better equipment generally |
| 13:33.27 | JoshBorke | tiered just means difficulty in obtaining or something like that |
| 13:33.32 | Corrodias | hell, i have a hard enough time identifying what the "raid instances" are |
| 13:33.33 | Mikk | tier 1 = molten core, tier 2 = BWL |
| 13:33.37 | End | and higher tier means high level instance |
| 13:33.40 | End | yeah |
| 13:33.42 | End | tier 3 = naxx |
| 13:33.53 | JoshBorke | tier 0 = blue instances, tier 0.5 = upgraded blues, tier 1 = MC, tier 2 = BWL, tier 2.5 = AQ40, tier 3 = nax |
| 13:33.55 | Corrodias | what about AQ? no equipment? |
| 13:34.02 | Corrodias | upgraded? |
| 13:34.03 | Mikk | AQ is generally thought of as tier 2 |
| 13:34.06 | JoshBorke | aq40 is widely regarded as a side-grade |
| 13:34.10 | End | yeah |
| 13:34.11 | Mikk | or that |
| 13:34.18 | Mikk | mostly ups nature resists |
| 13:34.21 | Corrodias | what is this to upgrade a blue? |
| 13:34.23 | JoshBorke | most of the good equipment in aq40 is non-class specific |
| 13:34.31 | End | in terms of my normal healing duties, AQ40 only offers a few upgrades which are NOT in my set for that instance :P |
| 13:34.49 | End | (I'm a druid) |
| 13:34.51 | JoshBorke | hehe |
| 13:34.59 | JoshBorke | clad|sleep would find this funny :-D |
| 13:35.05 | Corrodias | and the hunters roll on everything, right? :3 |
| 13:35.08 | JoshBorke | my guild was attempting nef and we're about 30% into stage 2 |
| 13:35.11 | End | yes, Corrodias, yes |
| 13:35.31 | Mikk | Corrodias: from the start, there's been "equipment sets" from scholomance, blackrock spire and stratholme |
| 13:35.32 | JoshBorke | the tank is really low on life so i start trying to heal him and i'm spamming like crazy (i'm a paladin), i look up and realize i've been healing myself for the last 5% |
| 13:35.37 | Mikk | blue quality sets |
| 13:35.45 | JoshBorke | Mikk, don't forget BRD (curse you LF) |
| 13:35.55 | JoshBorke | just more proof paladins only heal themselves |
| 13:35.58 | Mikk | recently, they added methods to upgrade those to better items, refered to as "tier 0.5" |
| 13:36.08 | Mikk | JoshBorke: they moved the gloves away from the emp :-/ |
| 13:36.18 | End | blizzard calls them dungeon 1 and dungeon 2 sets though, but that's just to confuse you |
| 13:36.20 | Corrodias | what methods are those? |
| 13:36.23 | Kilkbuln | The new solar system =) http://www.iau2006.org/mirror/www.iau.org/iau0601/screen/iau0601a.jpg |
| 13:36.31 | Mikk | Corrodias: rather lengthy and somewhat complicated quests |
| 13:36.48 | Corrodias | jupiter pwns all our tiny asses |
| 13:37.02 | End | Ceres? |
| 13:37.06 | Kilkbuln | Oh, and the planetary candidates (undecided yet): http://www.iau2006.org/mirror/www.iau.org/iau0601/screen/iau0601c.jpg |
| 13:37.14 | Kilkbuln | Cereas was an asteroid previously |
| 13:37.21 | Kilkbuln | *Ceres even |
| 13:37.23 | Corrodias | Mikk: can i assume that they become apparent in the game, or must you research thme before you can even figure out how to start them? :/ |
| 13:37.30 | Kilkbuln | It's huge |
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| 13:37.31 | JoshBorke | wait, ceres?! |
| 13:37.53 | Corrodias | NOT CERES!! |
| 13:37.55 | End | well |
| 13:37.55 | Mikk | Corrodias: they become fairly apparent. though there's nice writeups on all the stages |
| 13:37.58 | JoshBorke | how come saturn gets to show its rings and not neptune? |
| 13:37.58 | Kilkbuln | lol |
| 13:38.08 | End | hmm |
| 13:38.10 | Kilkbuln | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.23 | Kilkbuln | They're small and the artists are lazy, okay :P |
| 13:38.26 | Mikk | Corrodias: http://www.wowwiki.com/Tier_0.5 |
| 13:38.30 | JoshBorke | Corrodias, basically there's a guy in IF that starts the quest (if you're alliance. horde are ebil) |
| 13:38.33 | End | you know how astroids have a number then the name? apparently Ceres is number 1, and I honestly didn't know that |
| 13:38.47 | Kilkbuln | Didn't know that either |
| 13:38.53 | Corrodias | well, okay, as long as i have a way of learning about this stuff without cruising forums for a month |
| 13:38.59 | Mikk | haha no worries |
| 13:39.00 | Corrodias | i'll be satisfied |
| 13:39.11 | Mikk | you need to ding 60 and get the first gear set before you need to start worrying about this =) |
| 13:39.15 | JoshBorke | so this asteroid named ceres they want to make into a planet? are we ever going to get a definition of a planet? |
| 13:39.20 | Mikk | and tbh you don't need the tier 0.5 upgrade, really |
| 13:39.24 | Kilkbuln | JoshBorke, here: http://www.iau2006.org/mirror/www.iau.org/iau0601/iau0601_release.html |
| 13:39.25 | JoshBorke | or tier 0 |
| 13:39.30 | End | oh |
| 13:39.33 | Corrodias | i wouldn't think so |
| 13:39.33 | End | speaking of which |
| 13:39.34 | Mikk | nah. there's lots better non-set gear |
| 13:39.40 | Corrodias | where is ZG along that line? |
| 13:39.50 | JoshBorke | ZG is about tier 0.75 i'd say |
| 13:39.56 | JoshBorke | some of it is better than t1 |
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| 13:40.06 | End | JoshBorke: your graphy mod should probably handle cases where players have about 100% health (such as 86500% health) |
| 13:40.06 | JoshBorke | see Peacekeeper gauntlets <3 |
| 13:40.18 | Corrodias | "zandalarian", as referred to by the wowwiki? |
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| 13:40.27 | JoshBorke | End: it's supposed to. for some reason i get spikes in my graph |
| 13:40.27 | bieZt | hmmm what is the command to send an item link to a MessageFrame ? |
| 13:40.44 | JoshBorke | End: despite the fact i have SetHeigh(max(1,<value>)) |
| 13:40.59 | End | JoshBorke: I targetted someone WAY outside my area of instrest, and they had ...umm...a high percentage of health |
| 13:41.05 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 13:41.11 | JoshBorke | i'll have to look into that :-) thanks :-) |
| 13:41.15 | End | you may need to trim those by hand :P |
| 13:41.25 | End | wait |
| 13:41.38 | End | nvm |
| 13:41.47 | End | yeah, that's a problem though |
| 13:41.53 | JoshBorke | i haven't looked at any of my mods in a few days wo |
| 13:41.57 | JoshBorke | s/wo/now/ |
| 13:42.16 | End | also, I've noticed it isn't as nice when you are switching to multiple targets rapidly |
| 13:42.25 | End | but I'm willing to live with that |
| 13:45.10 | JoshBorke | I'm also not sure that it always has the correct unit info |
| 13:45.27 | JoshBorke | i'm considering dropping RosterLib and implementing my own thing. |
| 13:46.02 | JoshBorke | End: aha! i see where i went wrong, thanks for the max health thing |
| 13:46.12 | JoshBorke | Mikk: check wowace |
| 13:46.26 | End | np, always willing to report bugs :) |
| 13:46.46 | JoshBorke | End: i checked for the percent health > 1, but i didn't actually normalize it back down |
| 13:46.53 | End | ah |
| 13:48.01 | JoshBorke | End: btw, thanks :-) |
| 13:48.28 | End | no problemo |
| 13:50.48 | Corrodias | what is bliz planning with the expansion, i wonder? increasing the level cap would have the potential of... reducing the popularity, i'll say, of all the current end-game stuff |
| 13:51.22 | JoshBorke | Corrodias, the gear from current end-game stuff will still be better than the blues you get out of the stuff frome 60-70 |
| 13:51.58 | End | yup |
| 13:52.15 | JoshBorke | sure lvl 70 epics will be WAY better, but a 70 blue might be on par. and when you can 10-20 man something like BWL or even Naxx, then it just becomes that much easier to have the ph@t l00ts |
| 13:52.17 | Corrodias | so you expect people will still be using their tier 3 stuff (which would be easier to obtain if everyone's 10 levels higher than now) unless and until 70-end instances are put in? |
| 13:52.30 | Corrodias | oh, i see |
| 13:52.47 | JoshBorke | Corrodias, according to some info, there will be instances that can be run from 61-70 that have different tiers of drops |
| 13:53.01 | End | I think whatever 25 mans at level 70 are the -actual- replacement for 40-mans |
| 13:53.04 | Corrodias | i wonder if they plan on beefing up town guards |
| 13:53.13 | Kilkbuln | By the time one reaches level 70 I doubt you'd still be wearing tier 3 though |
| 13:53.15 | JoshBorke | Corrodias, oooo, good point |
| 13:53.28 | JoshBorke | Kilkbuln, i actually doubt anyone will be wearing T3 gear outside of instances. |
| 13:53.29 | Kilkbuln | If you're someone who can get tier 3, you'll get better stuff from the levelling instances |
| 13:53.33 | JoshBorke | well, healers anyway |
| 13:53.42 | Corrodias | the crossroads could experience a whole new meaning of pain if the guards stay at level 55 |
| 13:53.51 | Kilkbuln | Guard levels aren't changing |
| 13:53.54 | Kilkbuln | :P |
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| 13:54.06 | End | I'll wear my tiered gear if I'm in a group, but outside of that, hell no |
| 13:54.07 | Kilkbuln | Doubt that applied to cities though |
| 13:54.24 | Corrodias | end: what does that mean? |
| 13:54.44 | End | it means my gear from raids is pretty much just healing gear |
| 13:54.54 | JoshBorke | Corrodias, in general, the T0+ gear is mostly focused around group PvE. |
| 13:55.05 | Mikk | The T0 gear is crap period :-P |
| 13:55.06 | JoshBorke | T2 paladin set though is great overall because it's +dam/heal |
| 13:55.07 | End | so unless I'm with a fair sized group, it doesn't do me a bit of good to wear it |
| 13:55.19 | Corrodias | ah, so you feel that just healing yourself isn't an effective way to solo something |
| 13:55.25 | Corrodias | that makes sense all right |
| 13:55.26 | End | you could say that |
| 13:55.43 | End | all my tier 1/2/3 is just healing gear |
| 13:55.51 | Kilkbuln | I'm only in Tier 0 :( |
| 13:55.56 | JoshBorke | Mikk: did you see the question in wowace? |
| 13:55.58 | Corrodias | my druid is 0/20/31 for the soloing power of half-cat |
| 13:56.06 | JoshBorke | nvm |
| 13:56.11 | Corrodias | well, right now, it's more 0/20/21 |
| 13:56.23 | End | I'm 0/17/34 or something like that |
| 13:56.48 | Corrodias | tasty, i'm sure |
| 13:56.54 | End | I have points in thick hide and feral instinct though |
| 13:57.16 | End | just in case I have to do a little tanking |
| 13:58.09 | Corrodias | well, i should go back to bed for a few hours now, so maybe i can head out to best buy tomorrow and get a decent headset for ventrilo comm |
| 13:58.25 | Corrodias | tomorrow/today/whatever |
| 13:58.36 | Corrodias | unless one of you can recommend something specific? |
| 13:59.03 | Corrodias | this old logitech set i picked up out of necessity for a day really blows |
| 13:59.16 | End | I expect my headset to break |
| 13:59.23 | End | although, I wear my headset around my neck |
| 13:59.27 | Corrodias | that seems like an odd expectation |
| 13:59.51 | End | I dunno, definitely not a good expectation though :P |
| 13:59.57 | Corrodias | actually, it's nearly time to replace my current headphones, because the band is breaking |
| 14:00.11 | Mikk | May I suggest Sennheiser? |
| 14:00.16 | Corrodias | the thin plastic strips that hold in the adjusting slide are slowly snapping off |
| 14:00.31 | Mikk | Their PC-100 range is damn nice and decently priced for Sennheisers |
| 14:00.34 | Corrodias | soon, the speakers will just fall off of the band |
| 14:00.47 | Corrodias | well, that sounds good |
| 14:01.01 | Corrodias | i went to sennheiser's web site, but all i could find were in the $300+ range |
| 14:01.15 | Tain | There's a wide range of more affordable Sennheisers. |
| 14:01.21 | Corrodias | i wish they'd show me |
| 14:01.30 | Mikk | They're a bit hard to find, I know |
| 14:01.32 | Mikk | Google them though |
| 14:01.34 | Mikk | froogle, rather |
| 14:01.40 | Mikk | sec, checking names |
| 14:01.58 | Tain | I have cheaper HD 497s which are lower end on their line and they still sound better than any other headphones I've had. |
| 14:02.50 | Corrodias | these USB headphones make me wonder -- do they still take sound from the sound card properly? >_> i'm so inexperienced |
| 14:02.59 | Tain | I would avoid USB headphones. |
| 14:03.03 | Mikk | http://www.comprehensiveinc.com/product.asp?product_id=PC150&cookie%5Ftest=1 <- PC-150 |
| 14:03.32 | Kilkbuln | The problem with USB headphone is that they take resources |
| 14:03.34 | Tain | There may be good working USB headphones, but I've almost always seen reviews with issues with USB. |
| 14:03.45 | Tain | And there's just no reason for it. |
| 14:03.51 | Corrodias | my sony mdr-v150 headphones were between $20 and $30 and they sound pretty decent to me, but all i really have to compare them to is the v600's and cheapass little shits that come with cd players |
| 14:04.03 | Tain | Plug into the card, going USB adds another layer. |
| 14:04.27 | Mikk | The Senn PC line isn't exactly their HD line, but they're good physical quality, the sound is what you'd expect from a decently-priced Sennheiser, and the microphone kicks ass. |
| 14:04.38 | Mikk | $50-$80ish |
| 14:04.55 | Corrodias | is there any real point to looking for a frequency response maximum over 22khz? |
| 14:05.01 | Mikk | May sound pricey but I know people that insist on buy cheap crap that have spent more than I have on headphones the past 5 years just from replacing crap that breaks :-P |
| 14:05.06 | Tain | Oh yeah that's right. I almost bought 150s actually but decided to just use my current headphones and pick up a desktop mic instead. |
| 14:05.16 | Mikk | Corrodias: no =) |
| 14:05.18 | Corrodias | HD is better, you say |
| 14:05.30 | Mikk | Yeah, but they cost 5 times as much and don't have microphones |
| 14:05.40 | Corrodias | er, never mind then, not really what i'm looking for |
| 14:05.44 | Mikk | And unless you're a hifi nerd, you can't tell the difference :-P |
| 14:05.59 | Tain | Next you know you'll be wanting to buy a headphone amp. |
| 14:06.01 | Corrodias | so these PC-150, they sound decent. is there anything that's comfortable, sounds better, and is still under $100? |
| 14:06.27 | Corrodias | i have some sony mdr-v600's but they're a pain to wear, not because of discomfort, but because they're large and cumbersome to put on or take off |
| 14:06.49 | Corrodias | i guess removing them isn't so bad. mounting and wearing them are annoying. |
| 14:07.04 | Corrodias | ignore the microphone requirement for this question |
| 14:07.54 | Corrodias | or... wow, what a range of possibilities. something that is durable, sounds good, and has a mic for $125 or thereabouts would be smacktastic |
| 14:09.45 | Corrodias | the band on the pc-150 doesn't look very adjustable |
| 14:11.09 | Tain | I actually almost (well sort of thought about it, don't know how close I really was) bought some force-feedback headphones. |
| 14:11.18 | Kilkbuln | Gotta love photoshopping: http://imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id=4444photo3.jpg |
| 14:11.24 | JoshBorke | eh? force-feedback headphones? |
| 14:11.33 | Tain | Shake your head. |
| 14:11.35 | Corrodias | PUMP IT UP |
| 14:11.38 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 14:13.27 | Tain | The PC-150s don't have a very adjustable band, some people have complained about it. If they don't fid you well you can't do a lot about it. |
| 14:13.33 | JoshBorke | will this work? local height = ((frame.showBars and 50) or 0)*75 + ((frame.showGraphs and 100) or 0)*75 |
| 14:13.41 | Corrodias | what does this mean, "Unique 3D, 360° surround sound"? |
| 14:14.07 | Tain | But if they do fit (and how do you know without trying?) they are 5 star rated at newegg with 259 reviews. Most people love them. |
| 14:17.18 | Corrodias | now i must find a way to try them without buying them |
| 14:17.29 | Corrodias | best buy claims not to have them, or at least the web site does |
| 14:20.51 | Tain | Best Buy near me doesn't carry much for headphones at all. |
| 14:25.13 | Corrodias | it seems to me that an open speaker system such as they claim the more expensive cans have would make it easier to external sound to leak in |
| 14:25.26 | Corrodias | hey, these extra large cups, are they around-the-ear or just over-the-ear? |
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| 14:33.19 | Kilkbuln | lol, the Phantom game console is finally dead :D |
| 14:33.43 | End | it was living once??? |
| 14:33.45 | Kilkbuln | (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/15/gasp-phantom-console-fails-to-materialize/) |
| 14:34.19 | Corrodias | there are numerous complains of how "tight" this sennheiser line is on the ears |
| 14:34.27 | Corrodias | very disconcerting |
| 14:35.02 | End | do you have a BIG HEAD? |
| 14:35.13 | End | do you have a MELON HEAD? |
| 14:35.23 | Corrodias | one guy said "even though i have a small head" |
| 14:35.27 | Tain | Yeah, if you can't find them locally to try out or at least return if they're uncomfortable it's trick. |
| 14:35.30 | Tain | tricky. |
| 14:35.35 | Corrodias | :( |
| 14:35.42 | Tain | Oh sure, like people who have big heads are going to admit it. |
| 14:36.19 | End | I had a friend with a big head, and we'd joke on how he had a melon head |
| 14:36.20 | Corrodias | plantronics makes cans with very disturbing descriptions |
| 14:36.29 | Corrodias | "Hear every aspect of the game through 32 bit digitally-optimized audio bandwidth" |
| 14:36.44 | Corrodias | "The Plantronics GameCom Pro headset offers rich stereo sound with maximum bass," (actually described as boosted bass on their web site) |
| 14:36.52 | Corrodias | "Real-time equalization performed by DSP chip, frees PC processor for faster game play and maximum system performance" |
| 14:37.03 | Corrodias | these are things with which headphones should not concern themselves |
| 14:37.20 | Corrodias | it sounds more like it's describing an onboard sound card |
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| 14:41.53 | Tem | Anyone know what 900 liscences of RealVNC would cost me? |
| 14:42.04 | Mikk | Corrodias: You should be able to find a pair of PC-150s in a well-sorted computer store or music store to try them out |
| 14:42.15 | Mikk | And yeah, they're tight for a while when they're new if you have a big head |
| 14:42.27 | Mikk | They flex out though |
| 14:42.51 | Mikk | Tem: Why would you buy open source software? o.O |
| 14:42.56 | Corrodias | this "Altec Lansing AHS602i Gaming Headset" is getting a pretty good review. i should research it more. |
| 14:43.32 | End | Mikk: support? |
| 14:43.45 | Corrodias | legality? |
| 14:43.46 | Mikk | Buy one copy then :-) |
| 14:43.51 | Corrodias | open source doesn't necessarily mean free, does it? |
| 14:44.00 | End | if you are worried about 900 licenses, support might be an issue :P |
| 14:44.02 | Mikk | Corrodias: All the other VNC versions are free as in free beer |
| 14:44.12 | Corrodias | you never buy beer, you just rent it |
| 14:44.47 | End | it could be some special commercial use |
| 14:44.49 | End | I dunno |
| 14:45.41 | Mikk | no, really, it's free |
| 14:45.52 | Mikk | well.. regular realvnc that is |
| 14:46.24 | Mikk | the deployment stuff in realvnc enterprise edition might not |
| 14:46.37 | End | well, there -is- a market for redhat enterprise linux |
| 14:46.57 | End | (and that's pretty much just support) |
| 14:47.51 | Mikk | yep |
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| 14:55.21 | Kirkburn | Haha! Check out the ToS for registering at ea.co.uk: http://www.electronicarts.co.uk/RegisterAccount.aspx |
| 14:56.54 | Mikk | I'd take this opportunity to agree to it =) |
| 14:57.53 | Corrodias | this Altec Lansing AHS602i has some high praise from reviewers |
| 14:57.53 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 14:58.51 | JoshBorke | ok, so, lua question |
| 14:59.19 | Corrodias | i did not approve this question |
| 14:59.53 | JoshBorke | when doing: (a and b), the result is b if (a and b) is true? |
| 15:00.14 | Corrodias | the result is b if a is true |
| 15:00.46 | JoshBorke | mmmk |
| 15:00.47 | Corrodias | if b is false, you get false out, of course. |
| 15:00.56 | Codayus_ | Lua's conditional boolean stuff confused the hell out of me when I first saw it, but it actually makes a lot of sense. :-) |
| 15:01.35 | Corrodias | if (myBoolean) then (myBoolean OR 10) == 10 |
| 15:04.34 | Corrodias | apparently they started out at $150, but they are available today from overstock.com for $50 and most other sites for $60 |
| 15:04.42 | Corrodias | i think i'm in love with the idea of these cans |
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| 15:06.30 | Corrodias | with $1 shipping. o.o |
| 15:06.42 | Corrodias | well, at standard speed, anyway |
| 15:10.02 | Corrodias | oops! curse you, tab key! |
| 15:10.07 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 15:10.09 | End | lol |
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| 15:15.00 | MentalPower | morning |
| 15:17.51 | Tain | Tip: Your character can eat and drink at the same time. |
| 15:18.08 | Corrodias | wow! |
| 15:18.30 | Corrodias | (actually, that's not a totally pointless reminder) |
| 15:19.31 | Tain | I remember when I first started playing and didn't know that. |
| 15:19.42 | Tain | I was playing a mage and thought I had to do them separately. |
| 15:20.14 | Tain | Of course at the time you could also use two different types of food or water at the same time and get both working to get your health/mana up double-time. |
| 15:24.36 | Corrodias | http://www.hottek.co.nz/view_doc.php?view_doc=20 http://www.entopia2002.com/features/specials/hardware_altecLansingAHS615.shtml |
| 15:24.48 | Corrodias | two different types of straps, otherwise apparently pretty much identical. which is more comfortable, do you think? |
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| 15:30.27 | MentalPower | morning Cair |
| 15:30.37 | Cairenn | morning MentalPower |
| 15:30.41 | Elkano | morning :) |
| 15:30.58 | cogwheel | looks like the head in hands guy is going to be working overtime today |
| 15:32.17 | cogwheel | (on another note...) Is it pathetic that after a year and eight months, tonight will by my first MC run ever? |
| 15:32.26 | Kirkburn | not in my view, no |
| 15:32.30 | End | probably not |
| 15:32.39 | End | incidently |
| 15:32.42 | Cairenn | of course it is. You shouldn't even be going yet, sheesh |
| 15:32.53 | Kirkburn | 1 yr and 6 months for me and counting :P |
| 15:32.58 | krka | how many of us here even have level 60 chars? |
| 15:33.02 | Cairenn | 2+ for me |
| 15:33.10 | End | I'm 1 rep away from being exalted with hydraxian waterlords :X |
| 15:33.11 | Cairenn | 0 |
| 15:33.12 | Kirkburn | Indeeedy |
| 15:33.14 | cogwheel | I have 1 and a 58 |
| 15:33.36 | End | and...I didn't get any rep from killing sulfuron harbringer last night |
| 15:33.44 | End | maybe I'll be stuck at almost exalted forrrevvver |
| 15:34.26 | End | (I think that's an indication I've spent too much time in MC though) |
| 15:35.37 | MentalPower | I have a single 60 |
| 15:36.19 | End | I have a single 60 (but also a level 56n) |
| 15:37.19 | Kirkburn | Lol, I totally forgot I had the WC3 soundtrack CD ... I'd better see what it's like :P |
| 15:37.49 | krka | all blizzard music is the shit! |
| 15:38.05 | Kirkburn | That's a bit harsh ;) |
| 15:38.21 | krka | not "shit", "the shit" |
| 15:38.36 | Kirkburn | Hence, ;) I pity the fool =) |
| 15:38.36 | End | as in, awesomesauce? |
| 15:38.58 | Kirkburn | Was any carried over to WoW? |
| 15:40.09 | Corrodias | i wonder which type of headphones strap is more comfortable: http://www.hottek.co.nz/view_doc.php?view_doc=20 or this http://www.entopia2002.com/features/specials/hardware_altecLansingAHS615.shtml |
| 15:40.16 | Kirkburn | (I s'pose I'll find out) |
| 15:40.51 | Corrodias | and easy to put mount and wear |
| 15:42.15 | JoshBorke | ok bye |
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| 15:43.47 | Corrodias | they actually seem to be quite different... the 615 is an "open" type, but a reviewer claims it still blocks out external sound well |
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| 15:48.51 | Corrodias | well, they seem to be pimping the 615 rather than the 602, so the 615 is almost certainly newer and quite possibly better |
| 15:52.32 | Rallion | i love my headphones |
| 15:56.41 | Corrodias | oops, buy.com wants me to make an account before i can see the shipping cost, beyond basic shipping. that puts them back at the bottom of the priority list. |
| 15:56.58 | Rallion | http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat1430032/prod440044 |
| 15:57.13 | Corrodias | plantronics uses some frankly disturbing things to describe their headphones |
| 15:57.41 | Rallion | yes. |
| 15:57.44 | Rallion | they do. |
| 15:57.57 | Corrodias | they talk about "audio bandwidth", boosted bass, and other things that headphones should not be involved with |
| 15:58.11 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, the AHS615 look nicer to me |
| 15:58.14 | Tain | Actually most headphones boost the bass. |
| 15:58.20 | Corrodias | which suggests to me that they contain -- and utilize -- an onboard sound card of some kind |
| 15:58.31 | Rallion | they do |
| 15:58.31 | Corrodias | especially the part where it says you don't need a sound card |
| 15:58.42 | End | well, they -are- the sound card in a way |
| 15:58.46 | End | they -are- usb after all |
| 15:58.52 | Corrodias | Kirkburn: it certainly seems newer. Altec Lansing no longer lists the 602i, and only lists the 615. |
| 15:59.01 | Tain | A lot of people are surprised when they hear more "true" reproductions of sound, they think it lacks bass. |
| 15:59.08 | Tain | Because we've become a bass heavy society. |
| 15:59.20 | Corrodias | i wonder if there's any social commentary for that |
| 15:59.29 | Tain | I blame the Irish. |
| 15:59.36 | Kirkburn | Bass is a nice feeling |
| 15:59.51 | Corrodias | vibrate me |
| 15:59.51 | Tain | Kinda like that feeling you get in you stomach when you sit on the washing machine. |
| 15:59.53 | Kirkburn | People like being vibrated, and you can take that any way you wish |
| 16:00.06 | Gryphen | i want a headset with just a microphone |
| 16:00.11 | Kirkburn | (Tan, what about the feeling when women do it =) |
| 16:00.18 | Corrodias | a head-attached microphone is difficult to find |
| 16:00.22 | Kirkburn | Uh, *Tain |
| 16:00.25 | Tain | I get a different feeling when I sit on a woman. |
| 16:00.33 | Rallion | With my headphones in a USB port, and my sound card hooked up to the speakers, I can set it up so some apps spit sound out the phones and others out the speakers, which I actually have found uses for. |
| 16:00.36 | Kirkburn | Sharp pains, Tain? |
| 16:00.38 | Gryphen | Corrodias i know :/ |
| 16:00.43 | Corrodias | at least one that would work while wearing headphones. i tried finding such a thing back when i played guild wars, and could not. |
| 16:00.47 | Tain | Just until they stop struggling, Kirkburn |
| 16:00.55 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 16:01.16 | Tain | Remember, sapped girls don't say no! |
| 16:01.41 | Gryphen | I have full surround system, i just want headset mic |
| 16:01.51 | Tain | I actually went a different route, I have "ok" headphones, and speakers, so I got a desktop mic. |
| 16:01.54 | Corrodias | mwave can deliver these 615's to me with fedex 2nd day shipping for $57.63 |
| 16:02.17 | Kirkburn | I have logitech ones myself |
| 16:02.18 | Corrodias | or next day shipping for $67 >_> |
| 16:02.19 | Tain | I almost got one of those mics you just hang over one ear. Or a telecom headset with a single speaker. |
| 16:02.27 | Corrodias | do i need them right now? no. 2nd day is fine. |
| 16:02.35 | Kirkburn | They let my ears breathe :) |
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| 16:02.49 | Corrodias | the "open" design that the 615's use may allow breathing |
| 16:02.53 | Corrodias | i really don't know |
| 16:03.45 | Kirkburn | It's amazing how you can do surround sound with headphones these days |
| 16:04.43 | Corrodias | between my x-fi and these headphones with their similar feature, i should have my choice of nice sounds :D |
| 16:04.53 | Kirkburn | Lucky bugger |
| 16:05.52 | Corrodias | i'm just a normal man, with a credit card and a checking account |
| 16:05.58 | Gryphen | oo http://store.purplus.net/laclhemi.html |
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| 16:08.49 | Corrodias | i think we may have a winner. |
| 16:09.04 | Corrodias | get some behind-the-head headphones and you've got quite a combination |
| 16:09.11 | Corrodias | or earbuds |
| 16:09.24 | Gryphen | i just want the mic hehe, have the speakers :D |
| 16:09.33 | cogwheel | I've got a behind-the-head headphones with a microphone... |
| 16:09.34 | Corrodias | then that's probably perfect! |
| 16:09.46 | Gryphen | finally hehe |
| 16:10.05 | Corrodias | now i have to rethink my purchase decision... nah. *spends money* |
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| 16:10.22 | Abenadi | couple questions about editboxes - can I use an OnChange or similar script tag? and once it has mousefocus how do I 'unfocus' it? |
| 16:10.25 | Corrodias | the ahs-615 is what i'm looking for, but i'm glad you've finally found something that should work for you |
| 16:10.44 | Corrodias | i want a replacement for these old things that are about to fall apart anyway |
| 16:10.51 | cogwheel | I've used OnChange, and I believe you want :ClearFocus() |
| 16:10.59 | Abenadi | thank you cog |
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| 16:19.20 | cogwheel | Is that your new "damn my router d/c'ed me again " nicname? |
| 16:19.20 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 16:19.20 | cogwheel | nick* |
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| 16:26.06 | Kilkbuln | mmm |
| 16:26.45 | Kirkburn | I'm getting used to it :P |
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| 16:43.39 | Kirkburn | I miss the days when the murlocs took over the forums :( |
| 16:54.44 | End | I remember that. |
| 16:54.59 | End | first time I visited the forums |
| 16:56.48 | Kirkburn | W.o.w. ... I mean seriously. Wow. http://freephotosandvideos.com/worksafe.php?vid=cikNxOAHOhQ&c=The_Great_Regurgitator |
| 16:57.17 | zenzelezz | "worksafe" and "regurgitator" don't seem to belong in the same URL |
| 16:57.25 | Kirkburn | That guy swallows *anything* and regurgitates it |
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| 16:59.18 | Cairenn | ummm, gross? and no, I'm not gonna watch it, ewww |
| 16:59.23 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:59.27 | Kirkburn | It's not that bad |
| 16:59.54 | Kirkburn | It's not gross, but it is amazing |
| 17:04.29 | Kirkburn | Heh, my state is becoming awesome now :D http://www.nationstates.net/khurkbhurn |
| 17:04.45 | Kirkburn | "citizens are frequently held up at gunpoint by their local pizza delivery boys" =) |
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| 17:11.12 | End | Kirov: heh, I remember that game |
| 17:11.36 | Kirov | what game? |
| 17:11.42 | Kirkburn | Me? :P |
| 17:12.10 | Kirov | hehe |
| 17:12.40 | Kirkburn | Lazy people can't write more than 3 letters of someone's name =) |
| 17:13.04 | Kilkbuln | ;) |
| 17:14.02 | krka | 3 letters? 1 is more common |
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| 17:18.59 | zenzelezz | seems to depend on the nick in question |
| 17:20.11 | krka | hmm... anyone know how to turn off greedy nick completion in irssi? |
| 17:25.48 | Abenadi | wowwiki upgrade in progress? |
| 17:26.41 | Abenadi | that's weird... i went to a page just now and it worked, but a second before i got redirected to http://www.wowwiki.com:8080/wiki-offline.html |
| 17:31.40 | Gryphen | not so weird...software upgrades often happen on websites... |
| 17:37.03 | krka | hmm. why didn't blizz read this? http://www.lua.org/pil/12.1.2.html |
| 17:41.12 | Tain | I'm curious to see what happens with the expansion, if they use Lua the same way they did at the beginning, or if they use it to more of its strengths (like that.) |
| 17:41.15 | wereHamster | krka, save the table as a string (eg. serialize it on your own) and use loadstring() to convert it back to lua objects.. |
| 17:41.36 | krka | yeah i know we can solve it ourselves |
| 17:41.43 | krka | just wondering why blizz didn't :P |
| 17:41.51 | krka | then again, they have no real incentive |
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| 17:42.14 | Kirov | what'd be the reason for doing it that way? |
| 17:43.47 | Tain | I'm really guessing most of Blizzard's Lua coding was learned quickly and under fire. |
| 17:44.06 | Tain | We have the benefit now of having used it for (almost) 2 years and learned in that time. |
| 17:44.31 | Tain | And we can update as willy-nilly as we like testing new things. |
| 17:45.16 | Tain | They, on the other hand, can't change a line without (in theory) doing a lot of regression testing, never mind changing entire techninques. |
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| 17:46.08 | Tain | That's why I'm wondering if they were able to take the time to do things like that for the expansion where they'd be doing a lot more testing. |
| 17:48.45 | krka | i doubt they'll change their lua environment much, if anything atall |
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| 17:51.00 | Tain | No, not necessarily for existing stuff. But I'm assuming there'll be some brand new things added. |
| 17:51.09 | Tain | Which may be a completely false assumption of course. |
| 17:51.18 | wereHamster | do you think we'll get LUA 5.1 ? |
| 17:51.35 | Tain | Oh no nothing like that. |
| 17:52.18 | krka | lua 5.1 would break lots of addons |
| 17:52.42 | krka | though blizzard doesn't seem to have a major problem with breaking addons :) |
| 17:56.06 | wereHamster | That's why we get PTRs.. to test our addons |
| 17:56.29 | wereHamster | I don't see a problem when blizzard breaks our addons.. |
| 17:56.48 | Tain | Nah me neither. |
| 17:57.10 | Tain | But it would mean a LOT of testing with Blizzard's own Lua. |
| 17:57.48 | Tain | And there's not a lot of incentive on their part to spend the time and money to do that if 5.1 doesn't add any direct, tangible benefits to WoW. |
| 17:58.38 | Kaso | oh |
| 17:58.39 | Kaso | mt |
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| 18:01.13 | End | there would be minor improvement for Blizzard to move to 5.1, but I doubt any of it is really areas where Blizzard would recognize as needing improvement |
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| 18:29.00 | Kirkburn | Gryphen: "not so weird...software upgrades often happen on websites..." ... that doesn't apply to wowwiki.com :P Not with the admin it has =) |
| 18:29.32 | wereHamster | who is the admin? Dolby? Cairen? |
| 18:29.38 | Kirkburn | Rustak |
| 18:29.59 | Kirkburn | He's rarely around |
| 18:30.04 | wereHamster | don't know him.. |
| 18:33.02 | Industrial | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ucQLYSC9Lho |
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| 18:34.54 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:36.49 | Kirkburn | The PTRs are up and down like a Oliphaunt on a trampoline :O |
| 18:37.20 | Gryphen | ^nerd |
| 18:37.32 | Gryphen | :) |
| 18:38.13 | Kirkburn | Nerd listening to the LotR soundtracks :P |
| 18:38.22 | Gryphen | \V/, Live long and prosper. |
| 18:39.01 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I must have forgotten about Spock's cameo in part 3 ;) |
| 18:56.42 | Tain | He does the neck pinch to a Ringwraith. |
| 19:00.33 | krka | need help cloning a music cd (in linux), keep getting sector read errors |
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| 19:05.02 | Cide | on the old cd? toothpaste! |
| 19:06.15 | krka | so it's probably something physical and not some crappy cd-reader restriction? |
| 19:06.28 | Cide | no clue |
| 19:06.29 | Codayus | <shrug> |
| 19:06.39 | Codayus | Is a new CD, fresh from shrinkwrap? |
| 19:06.41 | Cide | toothpaste does wonders to any cd though! |
| 19:06.53 | Codayus | I'd look into possible hardware, driver, or DRM issues. |
| 19:07.00 | krka | no, pretty old |
| 19:07.06 | Codayus | If it's a 2nd hand...then yeah, toothpaste. |
| 19:07.09 | Codayus | :-) |
| 19:07.18 | krka | technically not a cd though... says content protected |
| 19:07.25 | krka | so probably intentionally damaged |
| 19:07.32 | Codayus | Charming. |
| 19:07.47 | Codayus | allofmp3.com? :-) |
| 19:08.52 | krka | oh well, i'll try with k3b and using normal instead of clone |
| 19:09.11 | krka | it seems to have detected that it's a music "cd" and tries to extract song by song |
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| 19:16.33 | Cide | hm |
| 19:16.50 | Cide | does SpellTargetUnit require a hardware event? |
| 19:16.54 | Shadowed | shouldn't |
| 19:18.38 | Cide | seems like it does.. |
| 19:20.16 | Shadowed | I suppose it would in the sense that you can't add a delay before auto targetting, but that'd make sense anyway |
| 19:20.41 | Cide | so I need to hook the spellcasting functions. bleh |
| 19:21.50 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 19:23.35 | Shadowed | it requires a hardware event if you don't call it within the same area that the spell was casted it looks like |
| 19:28.48 | Cide | casting a spell requires a hardware event, so you're probably using the same one in that case, ya |
| 19:29.21 | Shadowed | er, requires a hardware event if you currently are waiting to target something |
| 19:29.36 | Shadowed | target something and have a spell ready to cast that is! |
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| 19:42.10 | Shadowed | Good ol blizzard forums |
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| 19:42.27 | Shadowed | only there can a thread start out as 2 pages of "How far on boss X" and end up being 10 pages of argueing about math |
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| 19:54.35 | Kirov | quiet in here |
| 19:54.52 | Shadowed | 14320941203491234eif |
| 19:54.53 | Shadowed | qerq3eori21u351 |
| 19:54.54 | Shadowed | qwerui12o3iu5 |
| 19:54.56 | Shadowed | better? :p |
| 19:55.41 | Kirov | Cide - you here? |
| 19:55.53 | Shadowed | he was just here 30 mins ago |
| 19:57.09 | Cide | Kirov: yep |
| 19:57.36 | Kirov | for CTRA 2.0, any chance you'd consider adding the option to show non-removable debuffs? |
| 19:57.51 | Cide | yes, actually |
| 19:57.56 | Kirov | cool |
| 19:58.07 | Cide | it supports any debuff now |
| 19:58.10 | Tem | oh, another request for CTRA2 |
| 19:58.15 | Tem | please, please, please |
| 19:58.17 | Tain | Could you add the option to bring me ice cream? |
| 19:58.18 | Kirov | no more hacking for Plague |
| 19:58.22 | Cide | NO |
| 19:58.29 | Tain | I want ice cream. :( |
| 19:58.31 | Cide | it can feed your babies, though. |
| 19:58.31 | Shadowed | ice cream sounds good right now |
| 19:58.33 | Tem | Change the readycheck |
| 19:58.35 | Kirov | Tain - make CT_RaidAssistained |
| 19:58.36 | Shadowed | screw the babies |
| 19:58.39 | Shadowed | i want ice cream :( |
| 19:58.46 | Tem | calling the CTRA readycheck just starts a blizzard readycheck |
| 19:58.50 | Cide | it will |
| 19:58.52 | Tain | Cide our main raid leader has to take a 10 minute break every single raid to feed his brat. |
| 19:58.55 | Tem | with one twist |
| 19:58.55 | Kaso | ok |
| 19:59.01 | Shadowed | get a new RL! |
| 19:59.03 | Cide | Tain: there you go! |
| 19:59.08 | Tem | Hook the ready and not ready functions |
| 19:59.24 | Tem | and send a message |
| 19:59.40 | Tain | Make it bitch if someone calls a ready check more than twice in a five minute period. |
| 19:59.47 | Cide | heh, Ts wants me to add that too |
| 19:59.49 | Tain | Because I bitch enough at our guildleader for abusing it. |
| 19:59.57 | Tem | Cide, Ts wants you to add what? |
| 20:00.02 | Shadowed | auto hit yes? |
| 20:00.04 | Cide | yes |
| 20:00.07 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 20:00.08 | Cide | because, well |
| 20:00.15 | Cide | he was our old raid leader |
| 20:00.19 | Cide | and he was the one who did the ready checks |
| 20:00.21 | Cide | so he didn't care |
| 20:00.29 | Kirov | A couple of friends wanted that as well. |
| 20:00.30 | Cide | but now, we switched guilds and he's no longer the raid leader |
| 20:00.32 | Shadowed | I'm usually laying down a few feet from my computer when waiting for buffs to finish and such |
| 20:00.36 | Shadowed | and i'm too lazy to get up and hit yes |
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| 20:00.49 | Cide | and he doesn't have his hand on the mouse most of the time. also, our raid leader LOVES /readycheck |
| 20:00.56 | Cide | so he can do it like three times before we engage... |
| 20:01.02 | Tain | Yeah exactly. |
| 20:01.03 | Tem | Cide, I hates the default readycheck |
| 20:01.05 | Kirov | Cide - just hook enter key presses |
| 20:01.07 | Tem | (as a raidleader that is) |
| 20:01.10 | Tain | I bitch abou it so much. |
| 20:01.14 | Cide | Kirov: oh, good idea |
| 20:01.15 | zenzelezz | I find it funny how our raid leader announces ready checks on teamspeak |
| 20:01.16 | Tem | it's too slow |
| 20:01.21 | Shadowed | not sure why you'd complain |
| 20:01.22 | Cide | enter for ready, escape for not ready? |
| 20:01.33 | Kirov | Aye |
| 20:01.35 | Cide | though, escape is pretty commonly used for other things |
| 20:01.43 | Shadowed | yeah i wouldnt use escape |
| 20:01.48 | Tain | I would. |
| 20:01.50 | Kirov | Meh |
| 20:01.52 | Tain | I hit esc for things all th etime |
| 20:01.58 | Tain | And I get annoyed when it brings up the main menu instead |
| 20:02.02 | Shadowed | We usually use it once or twice before an attempt. Once for paladin buffs, and then one more before pull |
| 20:02.12 | Tain | I want esc to cancel/esc anything and everything. |
| 20:02.30 | Shadowed | If you use ESC you can be trying to pull up a menu or closing another window and ready check comes up and it closes that instead and says no. |
| 20:02.33 | Kirov | Have it pop up and hook escape vs. SpecialFrames so it eats the key press. |
| 20:02.45 | Tem | Cide, hook ConfirmReadyCheck |
| 20:02.53 | Shadowed | then you have to go message the RL and tell them you hit it by accident and they yell at you :p |
| 20:03.03 | Tem | Cide, and SendAddonMessage with READY or NOTREADY like the old readycheck |
| 20:03.22 | Tem | so that you can show as people are ready |
| 20:03.25 | Cide | request spam :( |
| 20:03.38 | Cide | let's see... |
| 20:03.41 | Tem | no more spammy than the previous version... |
| 20:03.43 | Kirov | Oh, another feature, make Tem stop breaking stuff |
| 20:03.54 | Shadowed | tem's new name shall be Tem| |
| 20:04.06 | Tem | I just really hate that you have to wait to see if people are ready |
| 20:04.25 | Kirov | When ever Tem tries to break something, pop up a big red glowing circle and the message ("I'm sorry Tem, I can't do that.") |
| 20:04.35 | Shadowed | lol |
| 20:04.39 | Tem | my name isn't Dave |
| 20:04.41 | Cide | 1) enter/esc for ready/not ready.. 2) new sound damnit! 3) reply READY/NOTREADY to see when people hit the damn button instead of 30sec later regardless 4) did I miss something? |
| 20:04.57 | Tem | no I think that's it :) |
| 20:05.11 | Cide | oh and I changed the sound for /rw too |
| 20:05.12 | Shadowed | make it an option too |
| 20:05.21 | Cide | well, added an option to change it.. |
| 20:05.22 | Kirov | Cide - one more, option for Assistants to see ready / not ready information when another assistant or the raid leader does a /readycheck |
| 20:05.28 | Shadowed | i'd find it annoying having esc/enter for ready |
| 20:05.43 | Cide | why? |
| 20:05.47 | Tem | curious |
| 20:06.08 | Tem | I hacked my old version of oRA to do it |
| 20:06.12 | Cide | Kirov: not a bad idea |
| 20:06.16 | Shadowed | I could find it being semi usual |
| 20:06.18 | Kirov | Cide - that pointed at me or Shadowed ? |
| 20:06.23 | Cide | to Shadowed |
| 20:06.29 | Cide | well, it can be an option in any case |
| 20:06.38 | Cide | adding options is cake now anyway, and there's a whole lot more room |
| 20:06.46 | Shadowed | Because I don't want to be hitting ESC to close a window and accidently saying No |
| 20:06.52 | Tem | Cide, yay for frameworks! |
| 20:06.56 | Cide | Shadowed: how about... |
| 20:07.07 | Cide | when you press escape, you get a popup saying "Are you sure?" |
| 20:07.14 | Cide | that you need to press with your mouse! |
| 20:07.16 | Cide | how's that sound? |
| 20:07.25 | Tem | sounds like it defeats the purpose |
| 20:07.28 | Kirov | Or no keyboard command for not ready |
| 20:07.30 | Cide | haha |
| 20:07.36 | Cide | I wasn't being serious :( |
| 20:07.45 | Tem | I like the no keyboard command for not ready |
| 20:07.47 | Shadowed | I knew you wern't! |
| 20:07.57 | Tem | Cide, when's this aimed to go live? |
| 20:08.00 | Kirov | Cide - what about a key binding for it? |
| 20:08.00 | Tem | 1.12? |
| 20:08.06 | Tem | I need to get my guild ready... |
| 20:08.14 | Tem | they are... slow |
| 20:08.28 | Cide | Tem: sometime before 1.13 or so? |
| 20:08.28 | Shadowed | my guild uses a custom raid mod, it's kind of fun :p |
| 20:08.36 | Tem | Cide, there is no 1.13? |
| 20:08.39 | Cide | but I'm the only developer so it takes forever :( |
| 20:08.39 | Kirov | Tem - I've still got people using 1.51 |
| 20:08.44 | Cide | according to slouken there is :P |
| 20:08.47 | Tem | Kirov, us too |
| 20:08.58 | Tem | I thought 1.12 was the last patch before TBC? |
| 20:09.02 | Cide | nope |
| 20:09.07 | Shadowed | I thought Ts did CTRA too? |
| 20:09.13 | Cide | he desigs shit |
| 20:09.14 | Cide | designs |
| 20:09.16 | Kirov | Shadowed - he's PR |
| 20:09.19 | Kirov | hehe |
| 20:09.29 | Cide | 1.13 is a bugfix patch that prepares for TBC/dark portal opening event |
| 20:09.39 | Shadowed | Ts complains to you and you do all the work basically? :p |
| 20:09.40 | Cide | PR/management/design/whatever you wanna call it |
| 20:09.47 | Cide | pretty much |
| 20:10.03 | Cide | I'd wager he does the same amount of work as I do though, so I'm fine with that |
| 20:10.06 | Kirov | Shadowed - what's your custom raid mod like? |
| 20:10.13 | Shadowed | It's pretty nice |
| 20:10.51 | Shadowed | Has raid frames, can do boss mods with it and such. READY check, voting, ect |
| 20:11.08 | Shadowed | Althought, the boss mod framework is pretty hard to understand |
| 20:12.07 | Shadowed | then again, only like 2 people out of the guild use it, that being me and the GL :p |
| 20:12.31 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:12.33 | Kirov | who wrote it? |
| 20:12.49 | Shadowed | guild leader |
| 20:13.49 | Shadowed | pretty sure it was done before CTRA was released, and since we do timers ourselves was never really a huge reason to move to CTRA |
| 20:14.01 | Cide | must be pretty old then :) |
| 20:14.17 | Cide | I've played roughly 120 days of /played time since CTRA was released! |
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| 20:14.34 | Cide | actually make that 140, other character |
| 20:15.20 | Shadowed | Not sure how long the guild started exactly, but old enough that some of the oldest members have items like ragnaros core of the bear :p |
| 20:16.28 | Cide | hrm |
| 20:16.35 | Cide | what about shift + escape for not ready? |
| 20:16.38 | Tem | Ragnaros core of the bear? |
| 20:16.50 | Cide | Ragnaros Core of * = best ring ever |
| 20:17.00 | Shadowed | Rag used to drop an FR ring called Ragnaros Core of the <type>, he did it in V2 ( V1? ) |
| 20:17.08 | Shadowed | Cide: shift + escape would work fine |
| 20:17.19 | Codayus | A really *weird* FR ring. |
| 20:17.33 | Cide | easily accessible, not easy to do on accident |
| 20:17.43 | Tem | Cide, you familliar with just taking over the Key Bind just while you need it? |
| 20:17.52 | Cide | nope |
| 20:17.55 | Tem | Cide, also, why not allow them to be customizable |
| 20:17.57 | Cide | I imagine it can't be hard though? |
| 20:18.02 | Tem | no, it's simple |
| 20:18.05 | Cide | well |
| 20:18.21 | Cide | I could just do :EnableKeyboard, :SetScript("OnEnterPressed", ...) :SetScript("OnEscapePressed", ...) |
| 20:18.26 | Shadowed | But yeah, it no longer drops anymore. It only dropped during either V1 or V2. can't remember which one |
| 20:18.36 | Tem | that sucks other keys too though |
| 20:18.44 | Cide | hmm... true |
| 20:18.49 | Kirov | Cide - hook ToggleMenu() |
| 20:18.58 | Tem | something like local b = GetBinding("ENTER") SetBinding("ENTER",MyFunction) |
| 20:19.05 | Shadowed | that could break if you don't have ESC binded to togglemenu thought |
| 20:19.11 | Kirov | And what tem said for hooking ENTER |
| 20:19.14 | Shadowed | it's very rare thats true, but it's not 100% fool proof |
| 20:19.17 | Cide | ah, that'd work |
| 20:19.22 | Kirov | Shadowed - so |
| 20:19.31 | Shadowed | just preference :p |
| 20:19.34 | Tem | it's moot |
| 20:19.36 | Cide | what about |
| 20:19.44 | Cide | tinsert(UISpecialFrames, ReadyFrame) ? |
| 20:19.45 | Cide | :) |
| 20:19.51 | Tem | no |
| 20:19.53 | Shadowed | yes |
| 20:20.03 | Tem | then just hitting esc closes it |
| 20:20.15 | Kirov | same problem, with out the hooking uglystick |
| 20:20.29 | Tem | not shift-esc |
| 20:20.32 | Tem | or anything customizable |
| 20:20.46 | Cide | hmm |
| 20:20.46 | Kirov | the ToggleGameMenu() is like the end-all-be-all function for canceling / closing stuff. |
| 20:21.06 | Cide | I guess you win |
| 20:21.41 | Kirov | if IsShiftKeyDown() then NotReady! else orig_ToggleGameMenu |
| 20:22.18 | Kirov | well, shift key and readycheck:Visible() |
| 20:23.19 | Kirov | If someone has their keybindings to use it on a key other than escape, then they're probably already used to it. |
| 20:23.37 | Cide | ya, true |
| 20:27.24 | Kirov | oh, and one more question I had for you |
| 20:27.59 | Kirov | 1.54, is there another release for 1.12? |
| 20:28.29 | Kirov | or is 1.54 fairly final apart from it's "beta" moniker |
| 20:28.33 | Cide | not at the moment |
| 20:28.45 | Cide | haven't really seen any issues |
| 20:28.58 | Kirov | I'm sure someone will find one |
| 20:28.58 | Cide | but I still need to check into if it handles status requests correctly now that there's no channel |
| 20:29.04 | Cide | oh, I'm sure :) |
| 20:29.17 | Kirov | "1.54 causes my chat channels to get deleted!" |
| 20:29.28 | Shadowed | How can I screw around with other guilds CTRA channels thought :( |
| 20:29.28 | Kirov | "1.54 deteled my epic gear" |
| 20:29.30 | Cide | "1.54 ate my dog, and proceeded to crash the server" |
| 20:29.44 | Cide | Shadowed: I wasn't aware that you could, other than spamming it :) |
| 20:29.56 | Shadowed | blast you and your checking people |
| 20:29.58 | Cide | it's not parsing messages from people that aren't in the raid |
| 20:30.04 | Shadowed | blast you |
| 20:30.26 | Cide | heh, I actually did mess with another guild's channel before I implemented that |
| 20:30.43 | Shadowed | rofl |
| 20:30.45 | Shadowed | what'd you do |
| 20:31.15 | Kirov | I was thinking about adding something to my version of CTRaid that'd let me show up as "GOD" if I wasn't in the raid and did an /rs |
| 20:31.27 | Cide | I created some main tanks, did some random ready checks and stuff |
| 20:31.50 | Shadowed | It was fairly amusing screwing with my old guilds decursive |
| 20:32.02 | Cide | Kirov: "root" :) |
| 20:32.03 | Shadowed | they used a channel where you sent in "add <type> <name>" and "remove <type>" |
| 20:32.22 | Cide | haha |
| 20:32.26 | Shadowed | so naturally |
| 20:32.29 | Shadowed | add fort OMGHI |
| 20:32.53 | Shadowed | Or adding buffs for someone else during combat and them getting yelled at |
| 20:33.10 | Shadowed | Adding mark request from a druid when only 2 druids are in raid. good times! |
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| 20:33.53 | Kirov | grr |
| 20:34.11 | Shadowed | Oh, and adding salv to the idiot DPS warrior who always pulls aggro |
| 20:34.18 | Kirov | stupid web irc |
| 20:34.36 | Kirov | must ... find ... tunneling ... service |
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| 20:39.12 | Kirov | I think I just thought of a way to detect FD on enemies |
| 20:39.25 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 20:39.54 | Shadowed | oh? |
| 20:40.06 | Cide | hm, when's ADDON_LOADED fired again? |
| 20:40.09 | Shadowed | I know a way you could do it in PVP deaths, but it's not 100% accurate |
| 20:40.13 | Shadowed | Cide: After variables loaded |
| 20:40.19 | Cide | can't use that then, bleh |
| 20:40.48 | Shadowed | actually, it is 100% accurate as long as it's a death. But whats the way you were thinking of Kirov? |
| 20:40.55 | Shadowed | s/death/pvp death/ |
| 20:41.35 | Kirov | if UnitIsDead("target") and UnitAffectingCombat("target") end |
| 20:42.10 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 20:42.14 | Kirov | actually, frk |
| 20:42.20 | cogwheel | But FD takes you out of combat... wouldn't UnitAffectingCombat return false? |
| 20:42.23 | Kirov | that would fail in PVP since you drop out of combat instantly |
| 20:42.33 | Kirov | cogwheel - in pve there's a delay |
| 20:42.40 | Kirov | sometimes as much as 30 seconds |
| 20:42.42 | cogwheel | ah |
| 20:42.46 | Shadowed | The way I was thinking is that when the player dies you check for the honor gained. and if you don't see it you keep the target |
| 20:43.08 | Kirov | Shadowed - not a bad idea |
| 20:43.21 | Shadowed | true death would be Some hunter dies. 341 honor gained some hunter. FD would just be some hunter dies |
| 20:43.41 | Shadowed | One of these days i'll make it into a mob :p |
| 20:43.43 | Shadowed | err mod! |
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| 20:48.19 | Shadowed | hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to do that |
| 20:49.52 | Cide | ToggleGameMenu - hook before or after? |
| 20:50.09 | cogwheel | There would be the rare situation, though, where you wouldn't get any honor if you or the group you were in didn't do any damage to your target (like if you were trying to rescue someone and the hunter FD'ed when he saw you coming) |
| 20:50.11 | Cide | probably before since aborting spell casts is annoying |
| 20:50.28 | Cide | well, I can see both being good.. what do you think? |
| 20:50.53 | Shadowed | The time that it would be useful is for suitations like Rogues |
| 20:51.03 | Shadowed | Where you attack a hunter, he FD's and you lose 5 combo points from spamming attacks |
| 20:51.26 | Cide | needs to be before actually! |
| 20:53.16 | Tem_ | Cide, no! Bad! |
| 20:53.20 | Tem_ | Cide, just hook the keybind |
| 20:53.29 | Cide | for ESCAPE? |
| 20:53.43 | Tem_ | escape or whatever people want |
| 20:53.53 | Tem_ | I'm pretty sure you can directly bind SHIFT-ESCAPE |
| 20:53.53 | Kirov | Cide - before |
| 20:53.58 | Cide | yeah, I did before |
| 20:54.08 | Cide | I was under the impression that the general opinion was that hooking ToggleGameMenu > hooking escape, though |
| 20:54.39 | Kirov | Shift + Escape might be better ... |
| 20:55.05 | Cide | can do that I guess |
| 20:55.40 | Cide | though, how do you bind it? |
| 20:55.52 | Cide | I should stop slacking and look it up! |
| 20:55.52 | Tem_ | SetBinding |
| 20:56.01 | Cide | oh, CTRL |
| 20:56.04 | Cide | wait, nvm |
| 20:56.07 | Tem_ | lemme find my hacks in Selection Ring for that... |
| 20:56.09 | Shadowed | What's the name of the mod that Photek ripped off for his UI? |
| 20:56.20 | Tem_ | you don't wnat CTRL ESC |
| 20:56.24 | Cide | /script SetBinding("SHIFT-ESCAPE", function() CT_Print("test") end) |
| 20:56.26 | Cide | didn't work |
| 20:57.03 | Tem_ | yeah, |
| 20:57.09 | Cide | oh. |
| 20:57.09 | Tem_ | you need to create a hidden binding |
| 20:57.19 | Cide | yeah, I noticed |
| 20:57.19 | Cide | how annoying |
| 20:57.31 | Tem_ | SetBinding("ESCAPE","CTRA_NOTREADY") |
| 20:57.42 | Cide | hooking ToggleGameMenu > that, clearly! |
| 20:57.42 | Tem_ | not sure what the thing is for combined keys |
| 20:57.49 | Tem_ | if I had to guess, I'd say + |
| 20:58.02 | Cide | says - in the bindings frame, so I think that's what it uses |
| 20:58.03 | Tem_ | Cide, I have to disagree, but it's up to you :) |
| 20:58.10 | Cide | nah, you're right |
| 20:58.12 | Cide | I'm just lazy |
| 20:58.15 | Tem_ | heh |
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| 20:58.32 | Tem_ | this allows you to let the user customize the keypresses for both actions |
| 20:58.35 | Tem_ | zomg |
| 20:58.36 | Tem_ | a kael |
| 20:58.40 | Tem_ | lol |
| 21:00.44 | Kirov | Tem - you scardeded im oft! |
| 21:00.44 | Cide | hm, if it's hardcoded to SetBinding("SHIFT-ESCAPE", ...), how can you customize it? |
| 21:00.50 | Cide | unless I'm completely stupid |
| 21:01.21 | Kirov | Cide - don't hardcode the binding string? |
| 21:01.43 | Cide | heh, true |
| 21:02.18 | Kirov | This is the kind of intelligent thinking you pay me for. :) |
| 21:02.24 | Cide | totally |
| 21:02.28 | Cide | I'm tired or something |
| 21:02.51 | Shadowed | arg |
| 21:02.56 | Shadowed | lurr is starting to piss me off |
| 21:03.42 | Kirov | Shadowed - Yeah, I'm done with that thread. The information he needs to know has been said. |
| 21:03.52 | Shadowed | Making one last post about it |
| 21:04.04 | Cide | but then again |
| 21:04.18 | Cide | if I make it a static binding |
| 21:04.46 | Kirov | Cide - you don't have to dynamicaly generate the help text? |
| 21:04.54 | Cide | hm? |
| 21:05.43 | Cide | if a user wants to use ENTER for READY with a static keybind, it needs to be bound to enter all the time |
| 21:05.57 | Cide | unless I set it up to allow enter + whatever the user wants |
| 21:06.18 | cogwheel | So, I was reading PIL just now and thought up a fix for one of their examples: http://wowi.pastey.net/293 |
| 21:06.42 | Kirov | Cide - Bind the key OnShow, unbind and bind it back to it's previous setting OnHide |
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| 21:07.32 | Cide | and what's the point of allowing the user to set their own key then? :) |
| 21:07.47 | Kirov | cogweel - hmm? |
| 21:07.57 | Kirov | Cide - customizability? |
| 21:08.07 | cogwheel | kirov, it's a joke :P |
| 21:08.17 | Cide | Kirov: I still don't get it |
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| 21:09.03 | Shadowed | there |
| 21:09.07 | Shadowed | hopfully lurr stops being an idiot now |
| 21:09.09 | Kirov | @#%! |
| 21:09.11 | Cide | Kirov: still don't get it |
| 21:09.54 | Cide | you're saying that it should bind the key OnShow to ENTER, and then revert back to the user's setting OnHide, what's the point of having the user set it in the first place? |
| 21:10.00 | Cide | if it's only going to be set to ENTER anyway |
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| 21:11.03 | Cide | unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you're saying |
| 21:11.16 | Kirov | Cide - Fair enough |
| 21:11.31 | Kirov | Personally, I'm going to be using Enter |
| 21:11.34 | Kirov | so, I don't care |
| 21:11.35 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:11.54 | Cide | I'm not trying to argue, but I don't get what you're saying |
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| 21:14.52 | Kirov | Cide - Allow the set keys to be "bindable" from with in the CTRA options, but not from the Bindings window. |
| 21:15.08 | Cide | oh |
| 21:15.15 | Cide | well that makes more sense :) |
| 21:15.38 | Kirov | The other option is to allow them to be bound in the bindings window, and skip the forced binding OnShow. |
| 21:15.47 | Kirov | If they're already bound |
| 21:17.45 | Cide | can you do hidden bindings? |
| 21:18.33 | Cide | doesn't say on wowwiki, and I haven't really bothered looking into bindings much |
| 21:20.26 | Shadowed | You should be able to as long as you dont add the entry into Bindings.xml |
| 21:20.46 | Cide | hidden="true" works |
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| 21:36.59 | cogwheel | is the zone you're entering available on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 21:37.30 | Kaso | isnt everying supposed to be availble on pew? |
| 21:37.49 | cogwheel | I've never dealt with that event... |
| 21:38.32 | Kaso | im pretty sure it is |
| 21:41.50 | Kirov | cogwheel: yes |
| 21:55.22 | cogwheel | does event registration have to be done in OnLoad? I want to make sure i'm not giving bad info here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=432699 |
| 21:56.16 | Cide | no, can be done whenever |
| 22:00.25 | Kirov | fubar is aced? |
| 22:00.44 | cogwheel | ... ace was the whole point of fubar... iirc |
| 22:00.58 | cogwheel | it was designed as an Ace replacement for titan. |
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| 22:01.45 | Kirov | no Ace2 version? |
| 22:02.02 | cogwheel | Fubar2.... i'm not sure if it's out yet though... may still be in beta |
| 22:05.45 | Kirov | I wonder if I ace SimpleActionSets and renamed it to something better if it might get downloaded more |
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| 22:07.15 | Rallion | aha! I found out what addon is preventing my main menu from coming up! |
| 22:07.25 | Kirov | SAS is unfortunatly a mod that's exceptionally useful for people who don't want to go all out with their UI modification, or share an account with another person. |
| 22:07.39 | Kirov | Unfortunatly, those types of people don't usually look for addons. >.< |
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| 22:11.03 | cogwheel | Rallion, I love and hate those moments. On the one hand, you finally know how to fix it. On the other hand, it's often not your job to fix it (as in, it's a bug in their code) |
| 22:14.09 | Rallion | cogwheel, this time it's AWESOME though\ |
| 22:14.21 | Rallion | because it's the addon that I'm writing a replacement for |
| 22:14.26 | Rallion | woo! |
| 22:14.30 | cogwheel | oic |
| 22:15.04 | cogwheel | bah... stupid MS popping up its "You need to restart" message every 10 mins... |
| 22:15.05 | cogwheel | brb |
| 22:15.14 | Cide | woot |
| 22:15.23 | Cide | no more using my mouse to hit "Yes"! |
| 22:16.26 | Kirov | hehe |
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| 22:31.20 | Tem | I wonder what happens if I give a slider a thumb texture that has anchors... |
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| 22:32.28 | Refuse | hey |
| 22:32.37 | Refuse | is there a mod that allows you to loot via a button? |
| 22:33.08 | OZZYOSBOURNE | sup everyone |
| 22:33.35 | Kaso | Refuse nope, its impossible |
| 22:34.09 | Shadowed | closet you can get is a mod that positions the loot window under your mouse |
| 22:34.42 | Refuse | no its just that on a pve server |
| 22:34.50 | Gryphen | :o |
| 22:34.51 | Refuse | people are turning pvp on and standing on my dead mob |
| 22:34.52 | Kilkbuln | I think we just had a celebrity visit :P |
| 22:34.54 | Refuse | so I cannot loot it |
| 22:34.59 | xtacular | Loot carefully :-P |
| 22:35.20 | xtacular | Question of my own, is there any way to get Item Set information? :-S |
| 22:36.05 | Refuse | google it :-P |
| 22:36.10 | Kaso | tooltip scanning! |
| 22:36.22 | Refuse | back to my question, is there someway to force looting and not attacking |
| 22:36.30 | Gryphen | no |
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| 22:36.47 | zenzelezz | looting is very carefully protected |
| 22:37.01 | xtacular | Yea, googling "wow api item set" works SO well |
| 22:37.05 | Kilkbuln | Aaah, I'm completely confused by my website ... I try defining something to use a certain font, but it ignores me. I try checking every single bloody place it could be being overridden ... but it's not. Grrrr |
| 22:37.28 | xtacular | Tooltip scanning really won't work for this, I'm trying to find an on-the-fly way to find items in the cache of particular sets, without a database of it all |
| 22:37.36 | xtacular | (Updating per-patch ftl) |
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| 22:37.39 | cogwheel | are you beaing beaten with the specificity stick perhaps? |
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| 22:37.42 | Cide | Refuse: try.. /script f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED") f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() if ( not UnitIsPVP("player") and UnitIsPlayer("target") and UnitIsPVP("target") ) then ClearTarget(); end); |
| 22:37.57 | Cide | that should drop your target if you target a pvp flagged player :P |
| 22:38.16 | Kilkbuln | Hey cogwheel - btw, Fubar2 is out of beta now |
| 22:38.24 | Refuse | cide where do I type that lol |
| 22:38.35 | Cide | into chat |
| 22:38.44 | Cide | it starts with a slash command |
| 22:38.59 | Refuse | ah ok |
| 22:39.02 | Kilkbuln | Ah for the website - I'm defining a specific class to use a specific font, but it just says "nuh-uh" |
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| 22:39.23 | Refuse | what about battlegrounds |
| 22:39.33 | Refuse | ;) heh and I am afraid I will right click on him |
| 22:39.37 | Refuse | rather than the dead thing |
| 22:40.16 | Kilkbuln | Never mind me, I just worked out what I did |
| 22:40.23 | Kirov | Cairenn - quick Hud UI thread! |
| 22:40.28 | zenzelezz | typoed font name? |
| 22:40.43 | Kilkbuln | I put 'font' instead of 'font-family' for no good reason |
| 22:40.48 | Cide | Refuse: it only clears your target if you're not pvp flagged yourself |
| 22:40.54 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3760 |
| 22:41.04 | Cide | also, you need to retype that every time you play |
| 22:41.09 | Cide | if you want it to persist |
| 22:41.16 | Kirov | Cairenn - danke |
| 22:41.22 | Cairenn | bitte |
| 22:41.33 | Refuse | ok hope it works |
| 22:41.50 | Gryphen | Refuse: or drop it in a macro and hit it when you need it |
| 22:42.07 | Refuse | gave me an error |
| 22:42.41 | Cide | what error? |
| 22:42.46 | Refuse | sec |
| 22:42.53 | Cide | oh |
| 22:42.56 | Refuse | unexpected symbol near )' |
| 22:42.57 | Cide | add another end there |
| 22:43.01 | Kirov | xtacular - what exactly are you looking for? |
| 22:43.01 | Cide | ClearTarget(); end end); |
| 22:43.18 | Cide | cogwheel: regarding http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=432738&p=1&tmp=1#post432738 - I seriously doubt blizzard has anything to do with the IP of a mod |
| 22:43.22 | Refuse | cool worked :) |
| 22:44.11 | sancus | they dont |
| 22:44.13 | Refuse | thanks :) |
| 22:44.16 | sancus | the EULA/TOS don't really discuss mod IP at all |
| 22:44.23 | cogwheel | cide, that's what I figured, but someone linked a court document the other day that seemed to suggest addon writers don't have 100% control over their addon. I didn't actually read it and was just about to ask if anyone remembers... |
| 22:44.36 | sancus | not that they could do anything, legally speaking addons are automatically copyrighted to their author |
| 22:45.16 | Cide | ya |
| 22:45.18 | cogwheel | sancus, that's correct, but because of the nature of addons, courts may choose to abridge certain rights of the addon authors. Otherwise Cide could sue them for adding certain raid UI changes ;) |
| 22:45.18 | xtacular | So, no ways to get Item Sets without scanning tooltips? ;_; |
| 22:45.35 | Kirov | xtacular - what exactly are you attempting to get? |
| 22:45.35 | Cide | not really |
| 22:45.50 | Cide | and they didn't use my code at all :) |
| 22:45.53 | sancus | he could sue them |
| 22:45.56 | xtacular | ItemID's of things in sets |
| 22:45.58 | sancus | he probably would be wasting his time/money |
| 22:45.59 | Tain | There's some pretty grey areas, but frankly it doesn't matter since there's zero chance of anything ever getting to a court. |
| 22:46.01 | sancus | but, its theoretically possible |
| 22:46.16 | Cide | yeah, but in practice.. |
| 22:46.19 | Cide | denied! |
| 22:46.19 | sancus | yeah |
| 22:46.24 | Kirov | xtacular - If you know a single item in a set, yes, you can find the others. |
| 22:46.31 | xtacular | How so :-O |
| 22:46.32 | Tain | "Your honor, he stole my sauce code." |
| 22:46.37 | Kirov | But it does require tooltip scanning. |
| 22:46.41 | sancus | it'd be extremely difficult to prove that they stole anything just based on the fact that the functionality was pre-existing |
| 22:46.41 | xtacular | >< |
| 22:46.48 | Cairenn | you can't copywrite an idea |
| 22:46.51 | Cide | which is why they don't reply in the suggestions forum :) |
| 22:46.57 | sancus | yeah |
| 22:46.59 | Kirov | xtacular - all item sets I know of have sequential itemIds |
| 22:47.02 | sancus | no, you can copyright the code implementation of that idea though |
| 22:47.09 | Cairenn | that you can do |
| 22:47.15 | Cairenn | but if they didn't use Cide's code ... |
| 22:47.19 | sancus | and it is in fact automatically copyrighted |
| 22:47.19 | Kirov | xtacular - in the list of set items, it's always listed in order of itemId |
| 22:47.21 | sancus | right but |
| 22:47.23 | sancus | even if they didnt |
| 22:47.32 | sancus | you could try to prove that their code is derived from his, or something like that |
| 22:47.48 | xtacular | Kirov - My problem is, I'm looking for something that I can use on-the-fly, without caching at least one piece of every item set |
| 22:47.50 | sancus | it would be a waste of money and time though, for sure |
| 22:48.06 | Cairenn | I know, trust me, I'm the one that is constantly fighting with people about the fact that just because a mod is avail on the internet doesn't automatically make it open source |
| 22:48.19 | sancus | yeah |
| 22:48.21 | sancus | but there's legality |
| 22:48.23 | Kirov | xtacular - you have to know at least one item's itemID |
| 22:48.24 | sancus | and then there's PRACTICAL legality |
| 22:48.27 | xtacular | :-( |
| 22:48.29 | sancus | if you can't back up your legality with resources |
| 22:48.32 | sancus | it is effectively irrelevant |
| 22:48.42 | Cairenn | that's the unfortunate part, yup |
| 22:48.48 | Cide | it's a flawed system! |
| 22:48.52 | Kirov | xtacular - to the interface / client, set information does not exist outside of the tooltip. |
| 22:48.52 | sancus | not really |
| 22:48.53 | cogwheel | It would be nice if we could use precompiled lua binaries, but that would introduce a whole host of other problems |
| 22:48.56 | sancus | legal proceedings cost time and money |
| 22:48.59 | Tain | Reality is a flawed system. |
| 22:49.09 | Cide | it kinda is, but I doubt there's any BETTER system really |
| 22:49.11 | xtacular | Level 60 Lawyers ftw |
| 22:49.17 | Kirov | xtacular - the server stores set ids someplace, but there's no way to access that information. |
| 22:49.20 | Mery | cogwheel: thott did in beta so they removed it |
| 22:49.24 | cogwheel | I'm getting my first Lawyer quest in a few months |
| 22:49.27 | Tain | Me as an omnipotent dictator is a better system. |
| 22:49.29 | xtacular | Kirov: :-( |
| 22:49.32 | sancus | Cide: The point is, you have to have an investment of value in something you've copyrighted in order for it to be worth taking to court |
| 22:49.32 | zenzelezz | it's been too long since I watched The Pretender... DVD truly is a nice invention |
| 22:49.35 | xtacular | How many item sets could there be? Hm |
| 22:49.42 | sancus | US courts are frivolous enough as it is |
| 22:49.47 | xtacular | VHS > DVD! |
| 22:49.49 | sancus | without adding court cases over stuff that is essentially worthless |
| 22:50.07 | Kirov | xtacular - I currently have a list of around 200 I think. |
| 22:50.17 | xtacular | 200 sets?... :-( |
| 22:50.23 | xtacular | Damn useless sets |
| 22:50.36 | xtacular | I guess limited functionality isn't the end of the world |
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| 22:50.52 | Cairenn | I don't think protecting the intellectual property rights of authors is "frivolous" :p |
| 22:51.08 | sancus | it is if the rights are to something that has no value aside from sentimental value to the author |
| 22:51.11 | Refuse | alright thanks for your help Cide |
| 22:51.14 | sancus | and if it has enough sentimental value, they'll put cash up to protect it |
| 22:51.18 | sancus | which is the point of the barrier |
| 22:51.24 | Kirov | xtacular - checked my list, it's at 129 for pre-nax / AQ gear. Probably closer to 140-150 now |
| 22:51.29 | sancus | but if it DOESNT have that much value |
| 22:51.36 | sancus | why should it be protected |
| 22:51.50 | xtacular | Well, I can't think of many sets important besides tier sets |
| 22:52.02 | sancus | you want tax dollars to go towards protecting rights of things that their own authors dont care about enough to spend money on? :P |
| 22:52.06 | xtacular | Which means for each class, it's what, 6 sets? |
| 22:52.32 | zenzelezz | depends what you consider "important" |
| 22:52.39 | Kirov | xtacular - dungeon, 0.5, mc, bwl, aq40, naxx |
| 22:52.49 | xtacular | t0, t.5, t1, t2, t2.5, t3, yeah |
| 22:52.54 | xtacular | Numbers ftw |
| 22:53.19 | xtacular | Maybe I'll just start with that and build up afterwards. /shrug |
| 22:53.23 | xtacular | Manual work ftl |
| 22:53.36 | Kirov | xtacular - www.allakhazam.com |
| 22:53.40 | Kirov | er, wow. |
| 22:53.53 | xtacular | I can do it from ingame easy enough :-P |
| 22:53.59 | xtacular | Maybe even generate the code on the fly |
| 22:54.19 | Kirov | do you need to know all items in a set? |
| 22:54.31 | Kirov | or just the names of a set |
| 22:54.36 | xtacular | Well, if what you said is correct (sequential itemIDs) then it should be fine |
| 22:54.53 | xtacular | I can just get the ID of the first in the set, the amount of items in the set, and the set name |
| 22:54.59 | Cide | doesn't necessarily HAVE to be sequential itemIDs |
| 22:55.09 | Kirov | I have a T3 script that I can spam all the peices of each set. |
| 22:55.10 | sancus | pvp sets(2 per faction per class, iirc), aq20 sets, miscellaneous sets like the twilight trappings in silithus |
| 22:55.12 | Cide | but it has been |
| 22:55.23 | xtacular | Oh yeah, pvp sets |
| 22:55.29 | xtacular | That's the entire reason I'm making it, lol |
| 22:55.35 | sancus | zg sets |
| 22:55.38 | Kirov | pvp sets probably aren't sequential |
| 22:55.54 | sancus | http://www.thottbott.com/?set=all |
| 22:55.56 | xtacular | They aren't sequential in the order of their PVP rank, but in itemIDs I'm unsure |
| 22:55.56 | sancus | all the sets in the game |
| 22:55.57 | Kirov | class sets are |
| 22:56.01 | xtacular | Thottbot doesn't list the itemIDs |
| 22:56.06 | xtacular | so it's more or less worthless to me. |
| 22:56.23 | Kirov | which is why you go here http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html |
| 22:56.35 | sancus | yes it does |
| 22:56.37 | sancus | for sets, anyway |
| 22:56.44 | sancus | not for general items, no |
| 22:56.56 | xtacular | No... |
| 22:57.01 | cogwheel | wtf? they don't list the Crochet set! |
| 22:57.14 | cogwheel | Or Patchwork!! |
| 22:57.15 | xtacular | Knight-Captain's Silk Leggings are itemID 53434? I don't think so |
| 22:57.49 | sancus | oh you mean the itemids, sorry, nm |
| 22:57.54 | sancus | the set ids are correct, yeah |
| 22:58.03 | xtacular | SetIDs are arbitrary though, no? I can't use them in any way with the API |
| 22:58.12 | sancus | they're not arbitrary |
| 22:58.21 | sancus | they're like item ids |
| 22:58.25 | xtacular | Do I have any use for them though? |
| 22:58.35 | xtacular | I can't do set:###:0:0:0[Plagueheart Raiment] |
| 22:58.46 | sancus | in-game? I don't /think/ so, but im not sure |
| 22:58.48 | xtacular | Though that would be pretty cool, lol. |
| 22:58.50 | sancus | the set bonuses are keyed to them |
| 22:59.00 | Kirov | hmm... |
| 22:59.02 | sancus | and they describe which item ids are in the set |
| 22:59.02 | xtacular | I'm trying to find an easy way to list the items in a set |
| 22:59.03 | xtacular | So |
| 22:59.08 | sancus | but I dont think the wow api gives you access to them |
| 22:59.09 | sancus | im not sure though |
| 22:59.17 | xtacular | Well I couldn't find anything on sets in the wiki |
| 22:59.17 | Kirov | thottbot and allakhazam share the same set ids |
| 22:59.28 | sancus | Kirov: Yes, they do, because they both use the in-game set ids |
| 22:59.28 | xtacular | So obviously the set IDs are keyed to something, yea |
| 22:59.36 | sancus | but |
| 22:59.36 | xtacular | the question is whether or not there's access to them in game |
| 22:59.42 | xtacular | Hmmm |
| 22:59.43 | sancus | the api doesnt give access I dont think |
| 22:59.49 | xtacular | I wonder |
| 22:59.49 | sancus | just the game itself has access |
| 22:59.58 | sancus | it /might/ give access somehow, but its definitely not documented |
| 22:59.59 | xtacular | if I look through the code in the Thottbot data collection mod there's something about it? |
| 23:00.06 | xtacular | Maybe some unlisted API functions |
| 23:00.17 | sancus | maybe, that mod is obfuscated though |
| 23:00.28 | Kirov | thottbot = evil |
| 23:00.30 | sancus | and thott doesnt use the mod for all data collection anymore |
| 23:00.37 | Cide | ok so |
| 23:00.43 | sancus | he's gone to cache files |
| 23:00.45 | sancus | like everyone else |
| 23:00.46 | sancus | because its better |
| 23:00.47 | Cide | you get the set id for an item from itemcache.wdb |
| 23:01.04 | xtacular | Well I suck at client side coding |
| 23:01.05 | xtacular | :-( |
| 23:01.08 | sancus | yes cide, I think what he wants to know is if the wow api gives you any access to set ids. |
| 23:01.11 | sancus | in like, lua |
| 23:01.12 | Cide | you get all the sets, with their items, set bonus spell id's, number of items & set bonus numbers from itemsets.dbc |
| 23:01.19 | sancus | which I dont think it does |
| 23:01.20 | Cide | and no, there's no access |
| 23:01.20 | xtacular | ._. |
| 23:01.48 | xtacular | Hmmm |
| 23:01.59 | xtacular | Might be able to write a script to parse the dbc file, since that's documented enough |
| 23:06.23 | Kirov | clad - how stable is fubar2? |
| 23:06.37 | Tem | Kirov, very |
| 23:06.51 | Tem | what's not so stable is 1.2 plugins using the compat layer |
| 23:06.53 | cladhaire | Kirov: Asking the wrong person =) |
| 23:06.59 | cladhaire | but listen to tem =) |
| 23:07.10 | Tem | at least, that's what I've observed |
| 23:07.29 | Tem | Kirov, 99% of the problems you'll encounter with FuBar nowadays are the fault of plugins |
| 23:07.39 | Tem | the other 1%? |
| 23:07.42 | cladhaire | xtacular: I have a script that'll work for you |
| 23:07.43 | Tem | bitch at ckk |
| 23:08.06 | cladhaire | xtacular: http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/index.php?path=WDBParser/ there's the script, with some output files, etc. |
| 23:08.34 | cladhaire | you'll just need to change th structure at the bottom of wdbparser.lua (structure should be obvious) |
| 23:08.43 | xtacular | It's DBC |
| 23:08.49 | xtacular | anyway, I have a dbc parser (at least, to csv, I cba to tinker with cpp) |
| 23:09.05 | xtacular | So I can write something in a language I know (python or something) and get what I want, I guess |
| 23:10.27 | cladhaire | well |
| 23:10.35 | cladhaire | the script would only require a minor change for dbc |
| 23:10.38 | cladhaire | if you were interested. |
| 23:10.39 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:10.47 | xtacular | lol :P |
| 23:10.59 | xtacular | I have the dbc in csv form atm |
| 23:11.09 | xtacular | It's getting the fields right which will be a pain in the ass |
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| 23:12.02 | xtacular | Mmmm client side lua |
| 23:12.06 | xtacular | ^%d+,"(.+)" %(%d+%),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,%d+,(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),.+ should work |
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| 23:14.28 | Legorol | can anyone tell me if the zhCN locale is Simplified or Traditional Chinese? |
| 23:14.41 | Legorol | similarly, what's the zhTW locale? |
| 23:14.46 | cogwheel | CN is traditional, TW is simplified |
| 23:15.55 | cladhaire | xtacular: what are you trying to get btw? |
| 23:16.20 | cogwheel | I assume they stand for ChiNa and TaiWan |
| 23:16.52 | xtacular | ItemIDs of stuff in sets |
| 23:17.03 | xtacular | I'd prefer on the fly in game but parsing this dbc is going just fine |
| 23:17.15 | cladhaire | xtacular: Aah.. i was gonna say, set information is available from tootlips, given you have one of the items. |
| 23:17.30 | xtacular | Tooltip scanning is bad for what I'm doing :-P |
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| 23:17.57 | Legorol | cogwheel: so zhTW is not Taiwanese? |
| 23:18.08 | Legorol | i admit in shame i have no idea what language they use there |
| 23:18.13 | cogwheel | Taiwan is part of china |
| 23:18.22 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 23:18.24 | cogwheel | Well, according to china, anyway :P |
| 23:18.30 | zenzelezz | depends who you ask |
| 23:20.07 | xtacular | It is ChiNa and TaiWan, btw, as like enUS and enGB, etc |
| 23:20.29 | xtacular | The zh I presume is for zhong |
| 23:20.47 | Kirov | enUS standing for english United States and enGB standing for english gerbal |
| 23:20.58 | Legorol | so in main China they use Simplified Chinese, and in Taiwan they use Traditional Chinese? |
| 23:21.09 | xtacular | gerbal, eh? :-P |
| 23:21.15 | Legorol | yup! |
| 23:21.16 | xtacular | Legorol: I believe so |
| 23:21.19 | Legorol | ok thanks |
| 23:21.40 | Iriel | That's GerbIl |
| 23:22.02 | xtacular | Just checked wikipedia, it is indeed traditional -> TW |
| 23:22.16 | Kirov | Iriel - that's enGI |
| 23:22.21 | xtacular | neering |
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| 23:25.39 | DT | Sup all, can anyone help me out with some questions about UNIT_AURA |
| 23:25.50 | Kirov | ask away |
| 23:26.13 | DT | Basically I have a mod that broadcasts information based on when people get certain debuffs, which I check for using the UNIT_AURA event |
| 23:26.28 | DT | But it seems to get called multiple times for the same debuff, so it ends up spamming people |
| 23:27.21 | DT | I was just wondering what the best way to get around that would be ... do I have to create a sort of blacklist and only broadcast the information if it's been a certain amount of time since the last call? |
| 23:27.59 | Kirov | UNIT_AURA lets you know when a unit's buffs / debuffs have been changed. You probably need to keep track of if the buff / debuff you're looking for was there last time you looked for it. |
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| 23:31.13 | Kirov | Personally I keep a table of all debuffs a player has when I look at them, then compare them to the preexisting table to see which ones have been added, then replace the old table with the new table. |
| 23:31.55 | Kirov | You can also just keep track of if the buf f / debuff you want to watch exist or not and flag them 1 / nil and only spam if it was nil and being changed to 1. |
| 23:32.11 | Kirov | far more memory efficient |
| 23:32.21 | DT | Yeah, I think thats what I'll do |
| 23:32.26 | DT | Thanks for the help :) |
| 23:34.21 | Kirkburn | What. The. Hell. My two monitors are disturbingly different at showing colours |
| 23:34.39 | Kirkburn | I can't screenshot it of course :/ |
| 23:35.54 | zenzelezz | monitors like to do that |
| 23:36.00 | Kirkburn | I have an image blown up and spanning both screens - oen side, it's almost all one shade of red. On the other however, you can see detailed lines on it :/ |
| 23:36.24 | zenzelezz | I have two monitors, supposed the same model and everything, but I can't for the life of me make their colors equal |
| 23:36.33 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:36.55 | Kirkburn | It's as if my laptop screen just can't show all the colours it should |
| 23:37.12 | zenzelezz | well, it could be that's the case |
| 23:37.39 | zenzelezz | I remember HP (or someone else?) over-stating what a handheld device they made could do, and taking some flame for it |
| 23:37.40 | Kirkburn | But at the same time, it seem to be much better at colour reproduction than the other one |
| 23:38.15 | Kirkburn | (or, at least, oranges are distgustingly dirty on the non-laptop screen) |
| 23:38.30 | Kirkburn | Whatchagonnado :P |
| 23:38.51 | zenzelezz | just have to decide which one is "right" and ignore the difference |
| 23:39.07 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 23:39.37 | Kirkburn | Although, it does mean I can calibrate the colours to look good on two totally different screens which can be useful |
| 23:42.20 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Have you set the color temperature and per-color gains IDENTICALLY on the two? |
| 23:42.37 | Kirkburn | Can't :( |
| 23:42.43 | Iriel | Kirkburn : If you swap video cables do the color differences swap or not? |
| 23:43.04 | Iriel | i.e. swap which monitor whihc of the PC outputs goes to |
| 23:43.28 | Kirkburn | Can't do that either - one is the laptop screen of my laptop, the other is connected to the dvi-out |
| 23:43.52 | Kirkburn | (I think I mean dvi, whichever it is) |
| 23:43.52 | Iriel | ah |
| 23:43.58 | Iriel | well, not so much of a surprise then |
| 23:44.14 | Iriel | See if you can find a color profile specification file for each monitor |
| 23:44.22 | Iriel | and tell your video driver to use them |
| 23:44.27 | Kirkburn | Not completely :P Also, in the nVidia drivers, when it's in dual monitor mode, it won't let me set the colours :O |
| 23:44.40 | Kirkburn | That's a good idea |
| 23:44.50 | Kirkburn | I'll look into that :) |
| 23:45.22 | Iriel | If you're not using a color profile then you're just playing around with color |
| 23:45.25 | Iriel | It's a horribly complex beast |
| 23:45.33 | Tain | I use a Spyder. :) |
| 23:45.35 | Iriel | You can create your own too, if you get the hardware |
| 23:45.37 | Iriel | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006JMILO/sr=8-1/qid=1155771886/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-1547983-8662512?ie=UTF8 |
| 23:45.42 | Iriel | That's what Tain is referring to |
| 23:45.55 | Iriel | Tain: How well does that work, i've come close to picking one up a couple of times |
| 23:46.18 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 23:47.06 | Iriel | I see Gretagmacbeth have one too |
| 23:47.09 | Iriel | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007ZGCT6/sr=8-5/qid=1155771886/ref=pd_bbs_5/102-1547983-8662512?ie=UTF8 |
| 23:47.43 | Kirkburn | Aha, I get some detail back if I turn off digital vibrance |
| 23:47.56 | Tain | Good, I did notice a difference in photography. |
| 23:48.47 | Iriel | My CRT has very good color reproduction, my LCD's are iffy |
| 23:49.08 | Iriel | They seriously need calibration before I can do real photo work on them |
| 23:49.59 | Tain | Yeah I didn't bother with my CRT, I had gotten it pretty good. |
| 23:50.01 | Kirkburn | The problem I have is that both monitors come up as 'laptop display' in the nVIDIA control panel, and both control ... yes ... the laptop screen |
| 23:50.11 | Tain | But I got an LCD, and then another, then a laptop... |
| 23:50.37 | Tain | And I noticed an immediate difference with photos in Photoshop. |
| 23:50.54 | Kirkburn | Odder is that the picture on the separate TFT is unaligned - though I'm using a digital cable |
| 23:51.01 | Tain | And I got the cheaper one, it was about $100, there's a more expensive Spyder too. |
| 23:51.25 | Kirkburn | I do remember reading about those things recently - it's automatic? |
| 23:51.47 | Tain | Fairly, you click through some screens while it reads the color from the screen. |
| 23:52.13 | Tain | Then gives you a profile to save that it will (or can) apply for you automatically on bootup. |
| 23:52.33 | Tain | You can also save different profiles, and if you leave it attached it can actually adjust based on the current light in the room. |
| 23:52.34 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Is the TFT getting a Digital DVI signal, and is it set up to ignore any overrides: |
| 23:52.36 | Tain | But I don't do that myself. |
| 23:52.53 | Iriel | Many monitors have a downloadable color profile file too |
| 23:53.09 | Iriel | It wont be as good as making your own, but it's better than one |
| 23:53.11 | Iriel | none, even |
| 23:53.12 | Kirkburn | On the TFT, it says analogue input |
| 23:53.55 | Kirkburn | I'm sure I have a digital-only cable though |
| 23:54.13 | Kirkburn | And I know the TFT has a digital input, part of the reason I bought it |
| 23:54.37 | Kirkburn | 2 secs, checking the cable and laptop connection |
| 23:54.45 | Iriel | Well, see if hitting 'input select' on the TFT makes it change its mind |
| 23:54.56 | Iriel | and check the video card is outputting the right signal (if it's an option) |
| 23:57.27 | Kirkburn | Well, it's a digital-only cable for sure |
| 23:58.03 | Industrial | I want to loop through a set of tables and do something with every table (because they contain the same named things..), How do I do it :P |
| 23:58.08 | Kirkburn | Yet somehow the input is analogue (and it won't let me select) |
