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| 00:08.48 | AnduinLothar | Mikk, you around? |
| 00:14.08 | JoshBorke | wb Cairenn |
| 00:14.09 | jaxdahl | is there a way to manage minimap icon cruft? |
| 00:14.17 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 00:15.14 | Cairenn | cruft? |
| 00:15.18 | Tabyk | Table in table question.... table = {} table[1] = {"Hello", "There"} local greet = table[1,1]..table[1,2] ??? |
| 00:15.47 | Tem | t[1][1] |
| 00:15.49 | cladhaire | table[1][1] |
| 00:15.53 | cladhaire | damnit |
| 00:15.55 | Tem | =P |
| 00:16.04 | Tabyk | Thank you. *smile* |
| 00:16.12 | Tabyk | Both. |
| 00:16.14 | Tabyk | heh |
| 00:17.22 | Tain | I'm usually under the table |
| 00:17.22 | jaxdahl | i have 16 minimap icons |
| 00:17.34 | jaxdahl | would be nice to have most of them in fubar |
| 00:18.31 | Tain | It's like crust, but with an f |
| 00:18.49 | cladhaire | ding 47 |
| 00:18.49 | jaxdahl | messy |
| 00:19.13 | zenzelezz | the easy solution is to disable all addons :-p Not sure if there's any other easy ways |
| 00:19.27 | cladhaire | someone should make that system tray they were talking about |
| 00:19.36 | cladhaire | takes all the round icons, turns em into buttons, put em in a row. |
| 00:19.37 | cladhaire | done. |
| 00:19.49 | Tain | Minimap icons? |
| 00:19.51 | jaxdahl | i'm suprised you haven't heard the term before |
| 00:20.12 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 00:20.18 | ckknight | so you all know, I added in square minimap support to FuBarPlugin-2.0. Granted, it only works with predefined minimap addons being Squeenix, SquareMinimap, and CornerMinimap. |
| 00:20.40 | cladhaire | ckknight: should hijack them and make them system-trayish :P |
| 00:20.43 | cladhaire | i liked that suggestino today |
| 00:21.02 | jaxdahl | swstats, herbalism, ctra, ct_rt, squishy, yatlas, itemrack, itemsync, improvederrrorframe, minimap zoom in, zoom out, gatherer, mail icon, la vendetta, perl classic unit frames |
| 00:21.15 | JoshBorke | RARGH! i keepe alt-tabbing out of wow forgetting it minimizes it |
| 00:21.15 | Cairenn | cladhaire: that's a neat idea, actually |
| 00:21.21 | cladhaire | not mine |
| 00:21.32 | cladhaire | bt i agree =) |
| 00:21.35 | Cairenn | no, understood what you said, just agreeing with you |
| 00:21.38 | cladhaire | :P |
| 00:21.39 | Tain | Yeah |
| 00:21.48 | Tain | Especially since I hate minimap icons, I'd actually use them then. |
| 00:21.50 | cladhaire | it'd grab itemrack, bigwigs, sw_stats, etc. |
| 00:21.56 | cladhaire | not hard to see whats parented there |
| 00:22.01 | cladhaire | then look and see what has the round texture |
| 00:22.02 | cladhaire | bam! |
| 00:22.10 | Tain | You know what bugs me about tabbing out of WoW? |
| 00:22.16 | Tain | And I never noticed until I played Eve Online. |
| 00:22.18 | cladhaire | actually, there's an addon that spaces them out evenly.. |
| 00:22.19 | jaxdahl | itemsync seems to use a different button |
| 00:22.21 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: any chance of getting a columns option in PRaid? |
| 00:22.30 | Tain | Eve Online lets you still hear the sounds from the game when you're tabbed out. |
| 00:22.32 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: yeah jsyt not sure how many columns |
| 00:22.36 | jaxdahl | perl classic unit frames too |
| 00:22.46 | JoshBorke | got any test code so i don't have to hack it together real qucik? ^_^ |
| 00:22.53 | Kirkburn | Agreed, Tain, annoying :/ |
| 00:22.55 | jaxdahl | CTRA and CT_RT too i think |
| 00:23.06 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: no |
| 00:23.17 | cladhaire | but i should have somethign this weekend. |
| 00:24.00 | jaxdahl | 'In hacker jargon, cruft refers to extraneous or low-quality things in general, or software code in particular.' |
| 00:24.51 | cladhaire | jaxdahl: Never heard the term. |
| 00:24.57 | jaxdahl | we use it a lot at work |
| 00:25.08 | cladhaire | these commit emails are a bad idea.. now i want to look at everyone's code.. and that makes me sad sometimes =) |
| 00:25.19 | JoshBorke | lol cladhaire |
| 00:25.21 | jaxdahl | svn co -m "removed cruft" |
| 00:28.36 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:28.37 | Tabyk | Thank you for the help everyone. |
| 00:28.39 | cladhaire | i'm lonely |
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| 00:29.05 | JoshBorke | ~hug cladhaire |
| 00:29.16 | purl | ACTION hugs cladhaire |
| 00:29.19 | cladhaire | Roommates are gone having fun.. Tom is out of town at a football game.. even my dog left me =) |
| 00:29.27 | cladhaire | its somewhat relaxing |
| 00:29.31 | cladhaire | i just need to convince myself to take my laptop |
| 00:29.34 | JoshBorke | your dog left you? :-( |
| 00:29.34 | cladhaire | leave the room where i can play wow |
| 00:29.36 | cladhaire | and go code. |
| 00:29.37 | GeoDaMancer | HAHAHAHAH! |
| 00:29.45 | jaxdahl | squishy is weird |
| 00:29.51 | jaxdahl | i don't know how it sorts stuff |
| 00:29.53 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: what is left for your release of clique? |
| 00:29.56 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: well she's in the other room.. but it sounded more "country song" |
| 00:30.03 | JoshBorke | lol, indeed |
| 00:30.09 | JoshBorke | jaxdahl: the actual window isn't really sorted |
| 00:30.20 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: I have to unit test every single unit frame, turn off debug messages and ideally get some manner of turning off plugins within the game |
| 00:30.22 | JoshBorke | jaxdahl: but priority is based on a lot of factors |
| 00:31.02 | GeoDaMancer | Is there anyway to swallow errors? Er, like if you don't want it to display that you can't do something, is there a way to stop it from doing that? |
| 00:31.42 | cladhaire | error = function() end |
| 00:31.44 | Cide | pcall should do it |
| 00:31.45 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:31.46 | JoshBorke | erm, can you get kicked off for inviting too many people to a raid quickly? |
| 00:31.47 | Cide | that works |
| 00:31.52 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:32.02 | cladhaire | but pcall is better if its your code, so you can wrap it |
| 00:32.07 | cladhaire | damn you cide and your funny "logic" |
| 00:32.08 | zenzelezz | kicked how? |
| 00:32.14 | JoshBorke | disconnected from server |
| 00:32.16 | Cide | cladhaire: logic is overrated |
| 00:32.21 | GeoDaMancer | Er, does that eat all errors, or just specific ones? |
| 00:32.22 | zenzelezz | my guild's raid leaders seem to run a massive "invite-all" script |
| 00:32.31 | cladhaire | likely /rainvite |
| 00:32.31 | zenzelezz | perhaps it does some throttling, but it invites 40 people real fast |
| 00:32.38 | Cide | therefore, I wrap all my if statements in 10 "not" |
| 00:32.41 | cladhaire | Cide: Do you throttle /rainvite |
| 00:32.52 | Cide | no |
| 00:33.15 | Cide | don't think so anyway |
| 00:33.22 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:33.46 | JoshBorke | ok, laptop on |
| 00:33.47 | JoshBorke | playstation on |
| 00:33.51 | JoshBorke | i think i'm good to raid |
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| 00:35.33 | jaxdahl | the public perfect raid throws an error when people get mass invited |
| 00:35.45 | jaxdahl | doesn't tseem to affect anything tho |
| 00:35.56 | jaxdahl | Interface\AddOns\PerfectRaid\PerfectRaid.lua:518: attempt to compare nil with string |
| 00:36.01 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 00:36.23 | cladhaire | one of the UnitClass() issues |
| 00:36.56 | cladhaire | it might be fixed in the new version |
| 00:38.03 | Hexarobi | could you do a if type(var)=="string" |
| 00:40.35 | cladhaire | or just check it if exists |
| 00:40.40 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:40.51 | cladhaire | you gotta keep in mind i wrote pr in about 2 hours one night to prove it could be done |
| 00:40.56 | cladhaire | its just taken on a mind of its own since then |
| 00:41.02 | cladhaire | the new version fixes some of the crap issues. |
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| 00:41.37 | cladhaire | and i suppose i'm gonna go code and watch a movie =) |
| 00:41.50 | cladhaire | after i buy new skills for my hunter |
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| 00:42.07 | AnduinLothar | i cant code worth anythign when the tv's on |
| 00:42.11 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 00:42.20 | cladhaire | I can.. i just listen to TV really |
| 00:42.33 | cladhaire | always kinda been that way.. i'm in bliss sitting listening to a movie while laying down on the couch/bed |
| 00:42.43 | cladhaire | tho laying down doesn't help coding much =) |
| 00:42.45 | Tain | I can never find anything on TV. |
| 00:42.48 | cladhaire | so.. i go to england next week |
| 00:42.53 | JoshBorke | zomg! i get desert tonight! |
| 00:42.54 | Tain | And I don't have my dvd player in my bedroom. |
| 00:42.55 | AnduinLothar | i just put on music and blast it and code away |
| 00:43.05 | GeoDaMancer | Wildleather isn't Tribal Leather working, is it? |
| 00:43.28 | Tain | And then I pour a drink and that's never good for coding. Good for ideas sometimes. Not implementation. |
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| 00:44.25 | Nightdew | what is a good replacement for moveanything? |
| 00:44.36 | Tain | MoveAfewThings |
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| 00:44.53 | jaxdahl | squishy is weird |
| 00:44.58 | jaxdahl | what are the blue and red arrows for? |
| 00:45.00 | AnduinLothar | MobileFrames if you have a loose definition of good |
| 00:45.02 | TS|Skrom | MoveOneThing |
| 00:45.03 | jaxdahl | i don't want to read docs |
| 00:45.06 | JoshBorke | red means aggro |
| 00:45.06 | cladhaire | jaxdahl: aggro and healing |
| 00:45.07 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:45.17 | cladhaire | MoveaThingOrTwo |
| 00:45.18 | jaxdahl | what do A and H stand for then? |
| 00:45.25 | jaxdahl | i thought that was aggro and healing |
| 00:45.29 | TS|Skrom | clad, it's MoveAThingOrTwo... |
| 00:45.29 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:45.31 | cladhaire | maybe they are |
| 00:45.33 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 00:45.33 | jaxdahl | there are blue and red arrows |
| 00:45.35 | jaxdahl | < |
| 00:45.38 | jaxdahl | on the right side of the names |
| 00:45.38 | TS|Skrom | how's he ever going to find the right one if you don't spell it right |
| 00:45.43 | JoshBorke | meh |
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| 00:49.15 | cladhaire | hrm.. the bandage guy teaches you Heavy Mageweave, Runecloth and Heavy Runecloth, right? |
| 00:49.33 | JoshBorke | just runecloth+ right? |
| 00:50.03 | cladhaire | where do i get heavy mageweave? |
| 00:50.17 | cladhaire | the books are heavy silk and mageweave |
| 00:50.23 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 00:50.28 | JoshBorke | maybe it is him too |
| 00:50.31 | JoshBorke | i dunno, been too long :( |
| 00:50.33 | Cairenn | it is |
| 00:50.34 | JoshBorke | shouldn't you e coding :P |
| 00:50.42 | cogwheel | hehe.... having this exact same discussion in guild chat right now... |
| 00:50.47 | cladhaire | 240/260/280 |
| 00:50.53 | cladhaire | if i recall |
| 00:51.16 | Cairenn | he teaches heavey mage as well |
| 00:51.21 | Cairenn | heavy* |
| 00:51.21 | cladhaire | <3 Cairenn |
| 00:56.33 | GeoDaMancer | Anduin: Does IsCasting work with skills like Backstab? |
| 00:56.45 | JoshBorke | btw, the new healthbars ROCK |
| 00:56.50 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: hrm? |
| 00:57.03 | JoshBorke | the ones that show up over enemies |
| 00:57.06 | JoshBorke | they work for horde now! |
| 00:57.17 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:57.18 | cladhaire | oh ok |
| 00:58.06 | JoshBorke | die horde :P |
| 00:58.47 | JoshBorke | erm |
| 00:58.54 | JoshBorke | any reason why clique would keep casting on me? |
| 00:59.37 | cladhaire | turn off self cast |
| 00:59.37 | cladhaire | nub |
| 00:59.38 | JoshBorke | with PRaid no less! |
| 00:59.40 | JoshBorke | oh... |
| 00:59.58 | cladhaire | self cast literally means, anytime you cast a spell and you dont have a valid target, it casts on you |
| 01:00.28 | JoshBorke | hehe |
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| 01:23.42 | cladhaire | in deed |
| 01:23.50 | cladhaire | s/n d/nd/ |
| 01:24.03 | Tain | Alas, poor cladhaire. I knew him, Yurick. |
| 01:24.17 | JoshBorke | Cide: ping |
| 01:24.32 | Cairenn | in word |
| 01:26.58 | Cide | JoshBorke: pong? |
| 01:27.18 | JoshBorke | only change in CTRA between 1.54 and 1.541 is the %s stuff? |
| 01:27.42 | JoshBorke | s/%s/%t/ |
| 01:27.56 | Cide | pretty much, ya |
| 01:28.02 | Cide | few other things I think |
| 01:28.15 | JoshBorke | ok, but nothing game breaking, i don't need to upgrade yet :) |
| 01:28.20 | Tain | Damnit where's the CT_RA_BringMeIceCream module? |
| 01:28.44 | Cide | lost in the ether |
| 01:29.03 | cladhaire | I have one, if you need a download for it. |
| 01:29.13 | cladhaire | TS put it out back in the day =) |
| 01:29.17 | Cairenn | mmmm, icecream |
| 01:29.21 | cladhaire | i have some |
| 01:29.26 | cladhaire | i should have a small spoonful |
| 01:29.45 | Cairenn | what flavour? |
| 01:30.27 | Tain | I could go for some pistachio |
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| 01:30.46 | Tain | Well, not literally "go for." Since I'm not going to leave the house. |
| 01:30.49 | cladhaire | its ben and herry's American Pie. |
| 01:30.53 | cladhaire | delicious |
| 01:31.35 | Cairenn | and what flavour is "american pie"? |
| 01:31.53 | Cairenn | (avoid the obvious, rude, answers, guys :p) |
| 01:32.08 | cladhaire | it has pie crust and apple pie filling |
| 01:32.11 | cladhaire | mmm. |
| 01:32.19 | Tain | That sounds potentially tasty. |
| 01:32.22 | cladhaire | tis. |
| 01:32.41 | tyroney | Don't forget the freedom. It has a full cup of freedom in it. |
| 01:32.48 | cladhaire | tyroney: its not french. |
| 01:32.58 | tyroney | oh yeah, good point. |
| 01:36.16 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:37.00 | AnduinLothar | So... I was trying to think of a good way to score addons.. any ideas? |
| 01:37.17 | JoshBorke | HealWatch > APB :P |
| 01:37.20 | AnduinLothar | like popularity or something.. a ranking stystem that actually works |
| 01:37.20 | cladhaire | you get 15 points if saien could call it amateurish |
| 01:37.30 | Cairenn | rofl cladhaire |
| 01:38.01 | Tain | Oh here I thought you were talking about laying down soundtracks for addons. |
| 01:38.10 | Tain | And i started thinking that's a great idea. |
| 01:38.29 | AnduinLothar | mmm |
| 01:38.29 | tyroney | You could have a standardized set of search terms, and let page-rank show you how popular it is. |
| 01:38.33 | Cairenn | Tain: I luv ya, but you are just plain weird |
| 01:38.35 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Adds are too subjective.. You'll get too many morons who think their shit don't stink... and rate down people they don't like |
| 01:38.36 | kergoth | lets write theme songs for our characters |
| 01:38.42 | Tain | I want Danny Elfman to score my addons. |
| 01:38.58 | cladhaire | i would trust leonard nimoy to score my addons |
| 01:39.05 | AnduinLothar | well right, that's why ratings dont work |
| 01:39.17 | Tain | You'll get William Shatner singing theme songs for you addons. |
| 01:40.00 | cladhaire | people who rate addons down, need to get lives. |
| 01:40.03 | AnduinLothar | just wanted some sort of full spec reviewing.. like 5 stars for creativity, 4 stars for implimentation 1 star for efficiency.. |
| 01:40.12 | Cairenn | most honest rating system I've seen is # of downloads, # of folks that have it on favorites list |
| 01:40.16 | AnduinLothar | or a popularity rating |
| 01:40.24 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: You can't rate code, unfortuantely |
| 01:40.33 | AnduinLothar | like how many people actually downloaded and use it |
| 01:40.42 | Tain | I don't rate addons, when there's an individual rating system. |
| 01:40.46 | tyroney | Whatever you do, a positive vote only type of system would seem a nice way. |
| 01:40.52 | Tain | Mainly because I can't help but rate the author instead of the addon. |
| 01:40.59 | cladhaire | Lets see. |
| 01:41.04 | Tain | And that's probably not fair. |
| 01:41.12 | cladhaire | you COULD add a "Did you end up installing this addon" link on an addon |
| 01:41.28 | cladhaire | i.e. if you'r elogged into wowi.. and you download it, it lets you check back and say whether or not you ended up using the addon |
| 01:41.30 | tyroney | and have certain categories for this rating system, of course. |
| 01:41.33 | AnduinLothar | well if there were some sort of mini survey |
| 01:41.38 | Cairenn | we're considering pulling the "rating" from our site |
| 01:41.53 | Gryphen | dont show ratings until there are enough that 1 vote isnt going to sway it |
| 01:42.49 | tyroney | Get some people together with too much time and not enough talent, and have them sarcastically rip mods apart, make them a webpage, and profit. |
| 01:43.02 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Maybe a "useful" addon rating that only allows positive votes |
| 01:43.07 | AnduinLothar | so.. like GameSpot |
| 01:43.09 | cladhaire | then addons could be "Reccomended" as well as favorites. |
| 01:43.28 | cladhaire | cause rating are bollocks |
| 01:43.29 | tyroney | Wait, was that what I was suggesting?! |
| 01:43.31 | Cairenn | cladhaire: that's not bad |
| 01:43.41 | cladhaire | tyroney: We all were headed that way |
| 01:43.45 | Cairenn | ratings are bullshit, imo |
| 01:43.48 | cladhaire | just trying to talk out what would actually be useful |
| 01:44.42 | Gryphen | favorites are similar to that |
| 01:44.47 | AnduinLothar | yeah i like clads idea, what if rating was just a single yes/no if oyu'd recommend the addon |
| 01:44.49 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 01:44.58 | Cairenn | especially when you consider that some folks who are so insecure that they need to go rate down someone else's mods just to make themselves feel like they're "big men" |
| 01:44.59 | cladhaire | but there are plkenty that i use, that i wouldn't reccomend |
| 01:45.02 | cladhaire | and others that go the other way |
| 01:45.17 | JoshBorke | blasted |
| 01:45.19 | JoshBorke | i lost a button |
| 01:45.22 | JoshBorke | Tain: ping |
| 01:46.00 | Cairenn | the recommended combined with the favorites though, that actually makes some sense |
| 01:46.11 | tyroney | mean downloads per day, averaged over the last week, weighted for update rate, with a random number thrown in based on global oil prices? |
| 01:46.45 | Tain | I'm not your dancing monkey! |
| 01:46.56 | tyroney | Would there be a significant difference between recommended and favorited? |
| 01:47.04 | JoshBorke | Tain: how can i list buttons being used? |
| 01:47.25 | Tain | mm /vz report VisorActionButton |
| 01:47.27 | Tain | should do it |
| 01:47.34 | JoshBorke | thanks :) |
| 01:47.59 | Tain | I actually added some nice reporting search options and probably never documented. |
| 01:48.18 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:48.21 | Tain | Like /vz report +this +that -somethingelse |
| 01:48.40 | cladhaire | tyroney: There would be for me.. plenty of addons I'd "Reccomend" but have no use for =) |
| 01:50.06 | Cairenn | and conversely,I'm sure there are plenty of mods out there that are on favorites lists, not because the person would actually recommend them, but simply because they can't find anything better |
| 01:50.20 | Tain | True. |
| 01:50.28 | Cairenn | so they "make do" |
| 01:50.33 | Tain | Visor is a favorite of mine, but I don't recommend it to people. :) |
| 01:51.25 | cladhaire | plus, i favorite things that i just want to see when they're updated, but i dont use. |
| 01:51.34 | cladhaire | haha.. everyone keeps emailing me being like "zomg you want me to host your svn pls!?" |
| 01:51.45 | JoshBorke | lol, i love my guild leader |
| 01:51.49 | JoshBorke | he is so computer illiterate |
| 01:51.57 | Cairenn | cladhaire: because you've shut access down? |
| 01:52.05 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Not yet, but because I am. |
| 01:52.22 | cladhaire | people don't seem to understand that SVN was never meant to be used this way.. and it doesn't scale to this level-- no server can really handle it =) |
| 01:52.34 | AnduinLothar | i put addons on fav list so i remember to look at them later |
| 01:52.50 | Cairenn | yeah, and how many of them would have their servers choke and die if they did try to host it? |
| 01:52.53 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Same here |
| 01:52.53 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: indeed |
| 01:52.56 | cladhaire | Cairenn: All of them =) |
| 01:53.00 | Cairenn | yup |
| 01:53.03 | cladhaire | Ideology change in this case is the only way to go :P |
| 01:53.24 | Cairenn | well, as you say, it was never meant to be used that way, and it's frankly stupid the way it's been used |
| 01:53.38 | AnduinLothar | lol if cosmos svn was open i think that server would esplode |
| 01:53.42 | Cairenn | SVN is for devs, not random end users |
| 01:53.44 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: i support you 100% :) |
| 01:53.58 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: We drop about 3.5 gigs of traffic in pure svn traffic daily |
| 01:54.08 | Tain | Yeah well I was complaining at people using it like that forever. |
| 01:54.14 | cladhaire | Tain: Same |
| 01:54.18 | cladhaire | i wanted a version system |
| 01:54.19 | Cairenn | ditto |
| 01:54.21 | cladhaire | not "zomg ez download" |
| 01:56.00 | cladhaire | but what do i know =) |
| 01:56.46 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: how many mods use the branch format for more than one branch of an addon? |
| 01:56.57 | cladhaire | Tain: I dont think anyone has given me what visor has been able to, and that makes me sad |
| 01:57.01 | cladhaire | cause my needs are so small =) |
| 01:57.06 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:57.09 | JoshBorke | write your own! |
| 01:57.24 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: most of them |
| 01:57.35 | JoshBorke | interesting |
| 01:58.37 | cladhaire | why do you ask? |
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| 01:59.24 | JoshBorke | it just seems to different. but i suppose it's really the only way to do it in the environment |
| 02:02.16 | Kirkburn1 | ~slap Mikk |
| 02:02.18 | purl | ACTION slaps Mikk, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:02.58 | Kirkburn1 | I had reason :P |
| 02:03.11 | tyroney | Ok, I'm making yet another raid target assigning widget. It's style after the standard CD player buttons. What's something catchier than "raidRemote" that I could call it? |
| 02:03.58 | MentalPower | clicker |
| 02:04.03 | MentalPower | TheClicker |
| 02:04.10 | JoshBorke | ClickMe? |
| 02:04.26 | tyroney | clickIt? |
| 02:04.41 | Tain | BologneSandwich? |
| 02:04.54 | JoshBorke | BurntToast |
| 02:05.03 | JoshBorke | oh should make a mod named that! |
| 02:05.12 | JoshBorke | what should it do? |
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| 02:05.46 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: I dunno.. good idea tho |
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| 02:06.36 | tyroney | If selectnearestenemy works as I hope, it'll be nifty neato. |
| 02:07.08 | cladhaire | tyroney: Cycling through targets is very expensive |
| 02:07.13 | cladhaire | if that's whats involved. |
| 02:07.50 | Tain | It's ok, I make good money |
| 02:07.50 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:07.52 | cladhaire | tyroney: I have some code here if it helps at all (http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5255&highlight=raidtarget) |
| 02:08.10 | cladhaire | Tain: What you do isn't called "cycling through targets" |
| 02:08.11 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:08.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Where's the place where all of the SVN addons are .zipped every night? |
| 02:08.29 | tyroney | I was thinking a button that drops the current icon, moves to the next icon, and "tabs" to the next enemy. |
| 02:08.30 | cladhaire | they're not zipped every nighjt, they're zipped on commit, and its http://svn.wowace.com/files |
| 02:08.34 | cladhaire | but there are no guarantees at the moment. |
| 02:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Even better |
| 02:08.38 | cladhaire | hence why the svn is still up |
| 02:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's fine |
| 02:08.56 | cladhaire | but all trunk mods that have been commited recently should be there.. in some form or another =) |
| 02:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah.. I'm debating submitting a mod myself |
| 02:09.28 | tyroney | Theory being: click it five times, and paint five mobs. |
| 02:09.32 | Tain | So there were complaints in my guild the other night that heals weren't coming quick enough to the main tanks. |
| 02:09.53 | cladhaire | tyroney: Paintball lets your mouseover to paint mobs.. but thats a nice way to do it =) |
| 02:09.54 | Tain | And I suggested people take a look at both Squishy and Clique to help if they felt they weren't able to heal targets fast enough. |
| 02:10.04 | JoshBorke | Tain: install the newest HealWatch!Q |
| 02:10.19 | Tain | And the almost universal response from the Priests was, "If you need those to play your class you shouldn't be playing." |
| 02:10.23 | tyroney | See, I think mouseover might be less than ideal. I just don't trust my mouse that much. |
| 02:10.25 | Tain | And I wept. |
| 02:10.42 | cladhaire | Tain: With Squishy, I agree |
| 02:10.51 | cladhaire | They just haven't experiences "Cliqueness" =) |
| 02:11.13 | cladhaire | healers are really fanatical.. i know =) |
| 02:11.16 | Tain | Well when they aren't doing a good job without it as it is I don't think they should be so arrogant. |
| 02:11.44 | Tain | So when we wiped again and the raid leader complained about the healing I said, "Good thing no one's using those shitty addons to help!" |
| 02:11.53 | cladhaire | hahahahahahahahahahahah |
| 02:12.00 | tyroney | That's classic. |
| 02:12.06 | Kirkburn | lool |
| 02:12.13 | cladhaire | you cannot heal any faster than clique-casting |
| 02:12.15 | Tain | I am.. a voice of subversion in the guild. |
| 02:12.28 | ckknight | SVN ftw. |
| 02:12.29 | cladhaire | just based purely on the actions required to cast the heal :P |
| 02:12.45 | Tain | To be honest Clique alone makes me almost want to play a Priest. |
| 02:12.46 | Tain | Almos. |
| 02:12.49 | Tain | t |
| 02:12.52 | tyroney | You could always hotkey all 40 raid members. |
| 02:13.21 | Tain | But I specifically chose a Rogue because there is absolutely NOTHING I can cast to help anyone else. |
| 02:13.42 | tyroney | Hey! That's it! You could market a new keyboard with 40 buttons split into groups of 5! |
| 02:13.50 | cladhaire | woot! |
| 02:13.52 | cladhaire | genius! |
| 02:13.55 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:14.08 | Tain | The other thing I'd like is a new Perfect Raid secondary sort option. |
| 02:14.11 | MentalPower | so... what is this function used for GetSlashCmdTarget() (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14715272) |
| 02:14.18 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.19 | cladhaire | Tain: Did you check out the new sorts? |
| 02:14.24 | tyroney | I don't know what scan codes it would use... |
| 02:14.37 | Tain | So I can see at a glance who's going to steal my loot. |
| 02:14.52 | MentalPower | and before you say it, its not defined in the Wiki |
| 02:14.54 | Tain | Not that it would be realistic since that's a whole separate issue of dkp databases. |
| 02:15.19 | cladhaire | Tain: Sorting in PR2.0 is completely different =) |
| 02:15.35 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: what's the status of PR2.0? |
| 02:16.19 | Tain | I picked up two new rings last night, finally got rid of the last of my green gear. |
| 02:16.22 | Tain | http://jadedguild.com/roster/char.php?name=Filch&server=Ysera |
| 02:16.30 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: This weekend's project |
| 02:16.32 | cladhaire | along with release clique |
| 02:16.39 | cladhaire | and the magical-super-powered svn script |
| 02:17.51 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: let me know if you need any help with anythign :D |
| 02:17.56 | cladhaire | i will =) |
| 02:18.01 | cladhaire | unit test clique for me =) |
| 02:18.05 | cladhaire | actually i'll need help wit hthat |
| 02:18.08 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 02:18.12 | cladhaire | since i need a friendly non-player targettarget to test each one with |
| 02:18.13 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 02:18.13 | JoshBorke | i suppose i could |
| 02:18.46 | JoshBorke | as long as i don't have to install every unit mod on earth :P |
| 02:18.53 | cladhaire | well, ther'es the problem =) |
| 02:19.01 | JoshBorke | hrmph |
| 02:19.08 | JoshBorke | i could, just back up my settings |
| 02:19.52 | cladhaire | yeah thats waht i do. |
| 02:19.54 | JoshBorke | but uh, you gotta let me see the new PR2.0 to help you! |
| 02:20.37 | JoshBorke | you know, someone should really write a mod that collects all the information for raid units |
| 02:20.45 | cladhaire | pr20 is in branches |
| 02:20.51 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: someone did, raidroster of something |
| 02:20.58 | JoshBorke | ala RosterLib but it keeps track of everything you need including health |
| 02:21.01 | [Wobin] | You know. If it wasn't for the fact that I live in Australia, I might not need the healing addons... |
| 02:21.05 | cladhaire | aah |
| 02:21.09 | [Wobin] | But latency > all =( |
| 02:21.11 | cladhaire | well you can't "teack" health. |
| 02:21.14 | JoshBorke | debuffs etc |
| 02:21.19 | [Wobin] | I need all the help I can get =P |
| 02:21.23 | cladhaire | debuffs are possible |
| 02:21.28 | cladhaire | and i'm going to end up doing something like that, i think. |
| 02:21.33 | JoshBorke | separate the information from the display |
| 02:21.36 | cladhaire | dunno tho |
| 02:21.38 | JoshBorke | such that you can choose your own display |
| 02:22.08 | cladhaire | well what do you mean? |
| 02:22.17 | JoshBorke | there are so many raid addons that all track the same thing in their own way for their display |
| 02:22.54 | JoshBorke | but if you could put the data aggregation into a single (albeit monolithic) library, it would be easier to design the frames |
| 02:23.07 | cladhaire | the problem is, the overhead of storing something like debuffs is a huge problem |
| 02:23.25 | cladhaire | the fastest way is to use simple local variables defaulted to nil in the update function.. second is using a table (which has space issues) |
| 02:23.36 | cladhaire | bitlib just has too much overhead to allow for easy bitpacking =( |
| 02:23.42 | cladhaire | otherwise the problems would be solved. |
| 02:25.35 | JoshBorke | would the variables in the update function cause GC problems? |
| 02:25.46 | cladhaire | nope |
| 02:25.49 | cladhaire | they're just boolean |
| 02:26.17 | Tain | boo boolean |
| 02:26.25 | Cide | boo lean? |
| 02:27.41 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: on a slightly different note, is PR2.0 stable enough to use? |
| 02:27.51 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: Yes, depending on what features you "require" |
| 02:27.55 | cladhaire | but i use it or every raid |
| 02:28.28 | JoshBorke | healthbars + names and maybe deficit. oh and clickheal |
| 02:28.52 | cladhaire | well cliqueheal is goverened by the clique mod, not the frame mod |
| 02:28.58 | cladhaire | healthbars are there, deficit is there |
| 02:29.06 | cladhaire | other goodies too |
| 02:29.12 | cladhaire | custom sorting works.. kinda =) |
| 02:29.57 | JoshBorke | hm, custom how? |
| 02:30.33 | cladhaire | praid sort custom mygroup odd even warrior healer rangedps rogue hunter 1 3 4 5 myside |
| 02:30.36 | cladhaire | in any order |
| 02:30.42 | cladhaire | first one a unit matches, it gets sorted into. |
| 02:30.48 | JoshBorke | ah, cool |
| 02:30.50 | cladhaire | anythign else is sorted by class, then name |
| 02:31.07 | cladhaire | so praid sort custom myside will sort by odd/even, with your side coming first |
| 02:31.30 | JoshBorke | that's really nifty |
| 02:31.34 | cladhaire | it needs work tho |
| 02:31.37 | cladhaire | with precendence, etc. |
| 02:31.37 | JoshBorke | what about an option to pass a custom function? |
| 02:32.27 | cladhaire | you can put it in the file imo |
| 02:32.29 | cladhaire | but its possible. |
| 02:32.36 | cladhaire | like i said, it needs to be well thought out. |
| 02:32.38 | Tain | I still want an option to sort by competancy. |
| 02:32.47 | JoshBorke | lol tain, write your own function for that :P |
| 02:34.39 | [Wobin] | If( ~Me ) then competancy = 0 |
| 02:35.02 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: the reason i mention the custom function is for other addons to provide information to PR to do the sorting |
| 02:35.13 | cladhaire | aye |
| 02:35.27 | cladhaire | again, i kinda have to work the system out.. what i have is nifty.. but not powerful enough |
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| 02:38.09 | JoshBorke | you're a smart guy, you can do it :D |
| 02:38.19 | JoshBorke | hehe, my module system is just inserting into a table :D |
| 02:39.42 | cladhaire | okay.. i'm officially in the other room, where i dont play wow |
| 02:39.43 | cladhaire | so now i can code. |
| 02:39.48 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:39.54 | cladhaire | i hate that i enjoy the game, especially when im bored. |
| 02:39.59 | Tain | Code! Code with all the colors of the wind! |
| 02:40.22 | cladhaire | Anyone willing to help me with some testing on draka? |
| 02:40.27 | cladhaire | it'll be 10-15 til i'm ready to go |
| 02:40.32 | zenzelezz | hm... they must have boosted Scholomance in 1.12 or something... all the six mini-bosses before Gandling dropped a blue again, and Gandling himself even dropped the Headmaster's Charge |
| 02:40.36 | cladhaire | then we'll try to fly through the different unit frames |
| 02:40.46 | JoshBorke | workign on nef :( |
| 02:45.58 | [Wobin] | zenzelezz: woo |
| 02:53.54 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 02:57.32 | cladhaire | ooh the 40 year old virgin is on |
| 02:57.34 | cladhaire | that means i'll code a lot |
| 02:58.20 | Kirkburn | Oh, wow ... Vista RC1 has just been released and: "I can tell you that RC1 will not time out until the end of May 2007, and that Microsoft will support RC1 with hot-fixes and security patches through the RTM (release to manufacturing) of Windows Vista, currently slated for the second half of October 2006." |
| 02:58.40 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:59.20 | Kirkburn | I might have to try it out :) |
| 02:59.51 | cladhaire | Tem|AFK: PING |
| 03:07.49 | cladhaire | anyone able to log into horde on Draka? |
| 03:08.42 | Cairenn | cladhaire: about to drive daughter's friend home, if you still need someone in a couple hours when I get back ... |
| 03:08.53 | cladhaire | thanks Cair =) |
| 03:09.10 | cladhaire | it should be a short test, hopefully i can grab something beyond that. |
| 03:09.16 | cladhaire | s/beyond/before/ |
| 03:09.25 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: what's my guild disbands from BWL, i'll help |
| 03:09.33 | cladhaire | k |
| 03:09.35 | JoshBorke | i wish i could figure out why my mod breaks so much :( |
| 03:10.53 | JoshBorke | it doesn't catch all heals |
| 03:11.14 | JoshBorke | if they are chained cast quickly :( |
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| 03:16.04 | Guillotine | anybody know if its possible to save all of the UI parts of WoWWiki to my hard drive? |
| 03:16.17 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 03:16.55 | Guillotine | every week on Saturday my internet connection is down until 1 so thats the time I spend updating my UI |
| 03:17.07 | Guillotine | but sometimes I'm not sure about the order of parameters or such |
| 03:18.03 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 03:18.03 | purl | Esamynn: thanks |
| 03:19.45 | Esamynn | woot, 3 Naxx bosses down, on Friday night, now we have the rest of the weekend to work on new content =D |
| 03:29.37 | subbawt | which 3 have you taken |
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| 03:30.42 | Nightdew | [23:33] <Nightdew> is there a way to assign global vars a table method pointer? |
| 03:30.42 | Nightdew | [23:33] <Nightdew> shortcut = object:method |
| 03:34.01 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: still need help? |
| 03:36.19 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: Nah, i'm good =) |
| 03:36.21 | cladhaire | thanks for the offer |
| 03:36.25 | JoshBorke | np, we just downed nef |
| 03:36.28 | JoshBorke | no lok :( |
| 03:38.32 | JoshBorke | BAH! i hate when mods don't parent to UIParent |
| 03:38.33 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 03:39.22 | Shadowed | what'd you guys get |
| 03:40.03 | JoshBorke | stormrage, dragonstalkers, mish'undare, circlet of the mind flayer |
| 03:42.21 | JoshBorke | oh, and boots of the shadow flame |
| 03:44.30 | Shadowed | not bad |
| 03:46.39 | JoshBorke | we didn't get a screenshot our first kill because someone skinned him |
| 03:46.49 | JoshBorke | this time his head is hanging over the balcony so we can't get a good one :( |
| 03:46.55 | JoshBorke | (only our second kill) |
| 03:47.31 | Shadowed | aw |
| 03:49.20 | JoshBorke | are there any veil of shadow warning mods? |
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| 03:51.00 | JoshBorke | heya bela |
| 03:51.05 | Beladona | hey |
| 03:51.51 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: how are you going to mark branched mods in the files directory? will it be a subdir? |
| 03:52.25 | cladhaire | the branch format is branches/AddonName/BranchName/AddonName |
| 03:52.40 | cladhaire | i.e. branches/PerfectRaid/Unstable/PerfectRaid |
| 03:52.40 | JoshBorke | but with your new script that zips things i mean |
| 03:54.29 | Beladona | did anyone else notice that the warrior talent "Tactical Mastery" is in the protection tree, and not arms, according to BC info on the official wow website? |
| 03:54.37 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 03:54.39 | cladhaire | it'll zip them to PerfectRaid-Unstable-rXXXX>zip |
| 03:54.43 | Beladona | just now noticed that |
| 03:54.48 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: cool |
| 03:54.54 | Beladona | kinda weird |
| 03:55.49 | Beladona | makes a strange kind of sense though - prot warrior would likely change stances more than arms/fury -- arguably |
| 03:59.13 | JoshBorke | yea |
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| 04:05.46 | Esamynn | Naxx gargoyles are a pain |
| 04:09.19 | Shadowed | yes |
| 04:09.20 | Shadowed | yes they are |
| 04:09.25 | Shadowed | <3 Defence stance |
| 04:09.44 | Shadowed | defence stance + whatever the newest food rank = fun |
| 04:13.42 | Esamynn | gargoyles with acid spit is just mean |
| 04:13.52 | JoshBorke | they moved Aurora skycaller! |
| 04:14.53 | Shadowed | Esamynn they're fun! |
| 04:15.01 | Esamynn | oh totally! :P |
| 04:15.25 | Esamynn | i figure in the plauge wing they are blizzards way of saying, if you can't down these you shouldn't even bother with noth |
| 04:15.34 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 04:15.35 | Shadowed | pretty much |
| 04:15.48 | Esamynn | first one is just a pure dps test |
| 04:16.13 | Esamynn | the others with acid spit test your ingenuity a tad more |
| 04:16.25 | Esamynn | although only a tad |
| 04:16.48 | JoshBorke | krka: do you have a link to your new GRAB again? |
| 04:24.02 | JoshBorke | Tain: ping |
| 04:26.24 | Corrodias | so, does anyone want to explain the long, boring details to me about what fury warrior and prot warrior are, and how defensive stance and tanking calculate into that? |
| 04:27.03 | Beladona | heh |
| 04:27.26 | Beladona | full fury focuses on dual wield , with chance to hit and dps |
| 04:27.57 | Cairenn | cladhaire: did you get anyone to help you uet? |
| 04:28.01 | cladhaire | WOOT |
| 04:28.03 | Cairenn | yet* |
| 04:28.03 | cladhaire | fixed it |
| 04:28.03 | Shadowed | Beladona are oyu talking about TBC? |
| 04:28.04 | cladhaire | yes =) |
| 04:28.08 | Cairenn | cladhaire: okay |
| 04:28.08 | Shadowed | because to hit doesnt exist in current WoW |
| 04:28.15 | Beladona | true |
| 04:28.20 | Corrodias | what do you mean by that? |
| 04:28.34 | Shadowed | the best DPS you can get out of a DW fury build is 17 arms and 34 fury |
| 04:28.38 | Corrodias | +% chance to hit on items is ignored? |
| 04:28.47 | Shadowed | No, in TBC theres a to hit talent |
| 04:29.10 | Corrodias | oh, i see what you did there. |
| 04:29.49 | jaxdahl | whoo, 23.6% spell crit on me with AI+kings |
| 04:29.58 | jaxdahl | (paladin) |
| 04:30.11 | Beladona | Corrodias, what exactly do you want to know? |
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| 04:31.33 | tyroney | Ok, I give up. Where do I find the goods for the new itunes stuff? Do I have to jump on my friend's mac? |
| 04:31.35 | Beladona | Shadowed, have you messed with the BC build yet for warrior? I am trying to make a dps build and a prot build, and it is very weird |
| 04:31.52 | Corrodias | i am not really serious, anyway. i want to know everything about warriors, which is research i should do myself without asking people to explain it to me right away. |
| 04:33.04 | Beladona | all you need to know really is what build to do for what, and what they are meant for. I think from there the best way to learn is to make the build, and then play with it |
| 04:33.43 | jaxdahl | we had 1 prot warrior and 6 non-prot warriors for broodlord tonight |
| 04:33.49 | tyroney | I've found just playing a class up through the levels helps immensely with grokking the talents. |
| 04:33.50 | jaxdahl | the prot warrior held aggro the entire time |
| 04:34.11 | Corrodias | so i take it the prot tree is aimed toward tanking |
| 04:34.17 | jaxdahl | very much so |
| 04:34.25 | jaxdahl | if you don't spec prot, you will be a sucky MT, no matter what |
| 04:34.34 | jaxdahl | you can tank other stuff |
| 04:34.38 | Beladona | prot warrior can hold aggro better than a non prot warrior, despite what some seem to argue... |
| 04:34.42 | jaxdahl | just not for hard bosses |
| 04:35.04 | Beladona | and ask any healer which they would prefer tanking |
| 04:35.24 | Corrodias | my goal for my warrior, if i ever take her past level 8, is to hold aggro like fucking glue, whatever else happens. >:o prot sounds like the tool for the job |
| 04:35.42 | Beladona | well its more than the talents that make you hold aggro |
| 04:35.50 | Beladona | you have to be good at your job |
| 04:35.58 | Beladona | and know what and when to use your skills |
| 04:36.10 | Corrodias | that's where the further research and experimentation come in |
| 04:36.15 | Beladona | but that can't be taught |
| 04:36.18 | Beladona | its learned |
| 04:36.20 | Shadowed | Beladona sorry in AV |
| 04:36.33 | Shadowed | fury/arms suck atm |
| 04:36.35 | Shadowed | prot is rape atm |
| 04:36.48 | Beladona | in BC you mean? |
| 04:36.48 | Shadowed | jaxdahl: wrong |
| 04:36.49 | Shadowed | just wrong |
| 04:36.51 | Shadowed | yeah Beladona |
| 04:37.05 | Beladona | well prot did need a slight buff |
| 04:37.14 | Beladona | for non instance purposes |
| 04:38.01 | Corrodias | i take it that a prot warrior isn't very entertaining when solo? |
| 04:38.10 | Beladona | nah they do fine |
| 04:38.15 | Beladona | but forget pvp |
| 04:38.21 | Shadowed | jaxdahl you do *not* need prot to MT, the only point that it really becomes nice is emps in AQ40 and naxx |
| 04:38.26 | Beladona | unless you are with other people, and they take point |
| 04:38.52 | Beladona | correct, but a non prot tank is more gear dependant than a prot one |
| 04:39.01 | Beladona | for successful tanking |
| 04:39.36 | Shadowed | the actual difference for tanking is very small |
| 04:39.39 | Beladona | and there is still the issue of healing a prot vs a non-prot |
| 04:39.41 | Shadowed | it's the threat gain and LS that makes it nice |
| 04:39.44 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 04:39.52 | Shadowed | You do not need less gear just because you're prot |
| 04:39.54 | Shadowed | you flat out don't |
| 04:40.34 | Corrodias | okay, guys, there has to be SOME difference between prot and non-prot |
| 04:40.37 | tyroney | Talents help give you an edge. You don't get much of an edge if you don't already have something to sharpen. |
| 04:40.38 | Beladona | there is |
| 04:40.39 | Shadowed | Prot increases your threat generating and gives you an "oh shit button" |
| 04:40.42 | Beladona | lots of difference |
| 04:40.48 | Shadowed | but you don't become less gear dependent just because of it |
| 04:40.54 | Beladona | there is a LOT more to it than that Shadowed |
| 04:41.23 | Shadowed | which are we talking about |
| 04:41.27 | Beladona | a) increased defense skill, b) you block more than a non prot |
| 04:41.29 | Shadowed | high end raiding as a prot warrior, or like MC/BWL? |
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| 04:42.05 | Beladona | it is less apparent the lower you go sure |
| 04:42.11 | Beladona | but it IS apparent |
| 04:42.12 | Shadowed | theres a pretty big differencer |
| 04:42.18 | Beladona | any priests here wanna chime in? |
| 04:42.25 | Shadowed | Naxx raiding, you really don't need improved defense skill |
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| 04:42.40 | Beladona | not talking about conditional situations here Shadowed |
| 04:42.50 | Shadowed | as i said. it depends what you're talking about |
| 04:42.51 | Beladona | talking about general tanking |
| 04:43.14 | Beladona | when you are fighting lots of mobs that tend to bounce a lot, tanks are less useful |
| 04:43.25 | Beladona | thats when dps is more important |
| 04:43.27 | tyroney | so does anyone know where the images are stashed for the new itunes ui, or should I come back tomorrow when this discussion is over? |
| 04:43.57 | tyroney | s/over/worn out/ |
| 04:43.58 | Corrodias | bouncing mobs is kind of nifty... spread that damage out so my HoT's can keep up. |
| 04:43.59 | Shadowed | general tanking means too many things |
| 04:44.05 | Beladona | have you tried cracking open the itunes ui and looking for their locations? |
| 04:44.38 | Shadowed | it either means low end dungeons, as in strat/scholo/ubrs/mc, medium like stuff from aq20 and zg or it means you're doing mid level/high end tanking as in BWL/AQ40/Naxx |
| 04:44.44 | tyroney | I can't find the dumb thing. I've been opening mpq's for about an hour now. Please tell me I've just been blind, or that I just need to re-extract, or visit my friend's mac. |
| 04:45.32 | Shadowed | If you're only doing strat/scholo/ubrs/mc, really prot spec wont make a huge difference. The amount of gear we have available now and days makes doing MC pretty easy if you're prepared |
| 04:45.58 | Shadowed | hell, gear level changes a lot of it too |
| 04:46.05 | Beladona | again, that can be argued. It is totally opinion |
| 04:46.35 | Beladona | sure, and MC / AQ / ZG geared warrior can do the lower dungeons easy, regardles sof prot or ont |
| 04:46.42 | Shadowed | Point being |
| 04:46.48 | Shadowed | you can't just say "General tanking", it's too variable |
| 04:46.56 | Beladona | point being, he won't be MC / ZG / AQ geared right away |
| 04:47.03 | tyroney | Just re-extracted, still not itunes anything that I can find. |
| 04:47.07 | Beladona | you can't assume ALL warriors are that well geared |
| 04:47.17 | Shadowed | I didn't, hence why i asked you to clarify what you meant. |
| 04:47.34 | Shadowed | Assuming you'renot going to be doing any sort of raiding. Being prot or not wont make really any difference |
| 04:47.41 | Beladona | regardless of how you are geared, a prot warrior is STILL better at tanking than non-prot. It is just less apparent because gear affects it heavily |
| 04:48.11 | Shadowed | it's better, but you don't become less gear dependent just because you're prot or not |
| 04:48.26 | Beladona | I am done |
| 04:48.36 | Beladona | lets agree to disagree |
| 04:48.36 | tyroney | s/not/no/ |
| 04:48.58 | Corrodias | is Shadowed suggesting that prot is only slightly better at tanking? >_> |
| 04:49.08 | Beladona | its his opinion |
| 04:49.14 | Beladona | and its mine that he is wrong |
| 04:49.19 | Beladona | either way, you will need to decide |
| 04:49.27 | Shadowed | Heres a simpler version |
| 04:49.36 | Shadowed | If you're doing Strat/Scholo/UBRS, you will not notice a difference between prot or arms or fury |
| 04:49.41 | Beladona | I would still recommend you ask a healer, as they can tell you who tanks better |
| 04:49.49 | Beladona | much more than a warrior can |
| 04:49.57 | Kamerik | it depends, if you're doing 5mans you might as well go arms or fury even for tanking, skill is more important than spec for holding aggro |
| 04:49.58 | Shadowed | fyi, i have both a priest and a warrior |
| 04:50.05 | Kamerik | BUT, shield slam is very nice now |
| 04:50.06 | Beladona | I know what you said Shadowed, and I sitll heavily disagree |
| 04:50.14 | Kamerik | prot spec is more about aggro than mitigation |
| 04:50.16 | Shadowed | If you're doing AQ20/ZG/MC you will start to notice certain advantages to prot, but you really don't need them |
| 04:50.33 | Beladona | by your opinion, prot is useless |
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| 04:50.39 | Beladona | in any instance |
| 04:50.45 | GremWarsong | Does anyone know how to position a frame at the user's mouse pointer? |
| 04:50.55 | Shadowed | No. My opinion is that prot isn't always better |
| 04:51.00 | Corrodias | if the difference is tiny and you do significantly more damage with other specs, it would be pointless |
| 04:51.12 | Beladona | for tanking, it is. But no one said it was NECESSARY |
| 04:51.30 | Beladona | if you want a dps warrior, that isn't a tank in my mind |
| 04:51.52 | Shadowed | Half of it depends on your guild really |
| 04:51.57 | Beladona | you have totally different needs than tanking |
| 04:51.57 | Corrodias | we played with a dual wielding warrior recently in mara... he couldn't hold aggro for beans, but maybe that was just -his- problem, not the spec's |
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| 04:52.06 | tyroney | Do either of your opinions change when you're talking about single vs. multi-mob tanking? |
| 04:52.07 | Kameril | it was his |
| 04:52.11 | Kameril | fury is crazy aggro |
| 04:52.14 | Shadowed | Really. what comes down to it is what you want |
| 04:52.16 | Kameril | if played correctly |
| 04:52.18 | Corrodias | or the problem of the shamans who were doing damage |
| 04:52.26 | Shadowed | lots of guilds have warriors who enjoy tanking, they don't want to damage they want to tank |
| 04:52.26 | Corrodias | Kameril: then what is the -point- of prot? |
| 04:52.33 | Shadowed | so they have no issues with staying |
| 04:52.41 | Kameril | prot is still better aggro, consistent aggro |
| 04:52.43 | subbawt | the point of prot isn't tanking mara |
| 04:53.20 | Corrodias | this makes no sense to me... maybe i shouldn't play a warrior >_> i thought holding a mob's attention was not very different wherever you went |
| 04:53.36 | Kameril | if you're doing naxx, i would highly recommend the MT be prot, and none of the other wars being prot |
| 04:53.36 | Shadowed | that depends on your group |
| 04:53.37 | Beladona | tanking in my mind, isn't about who can take the damage so much as who can keep the mob from going after people who CAN'T take the damage |
| 04:53.48 | Beladona | in that respect, prot does the job better |
| 04:53.58 | Beladona | IF you consider equally skilled people |
| 04:54.00 | tyroney | Different mobs have different behaviors, to a certain degree. |
| 04:54.00 | Shadowed | Sometimes you can get a group that has people who aren't going to go all out onto a mob as soon as you engage |
| 04:54.03 | Corrodias | a tank's job isn't to take less damage, no, of course not. |
| 04:54.04 | Kameril | shield slam is the best "burst" aggro skill a warrior has |
| 04:54.04 | Beladona | it still depends on skill |
| 04:54.14 | Shadowed | Sometimes you have people who go all out right as you grab it and you lose aggro |
| 04:54.26 | Kameril | you can do similar with strike and sunder, but its dependant on your gear far more than shield slam |
| 04:54.29 | Kameril | and takes more rage |
| 04:55.03 | Corrodias | man, this is way more complex than healing and hunter-ing |
| 04:55.06 | Kameril | its when you're tanking taunt immune mobs really, anything before that prot is meh, its when you need that snap/burst aggro |
| 04:56.11 | Shadowed | exactly |
| 04:56.56 | Corrodias | which spec does that favor? |
| 04:57.05 | Shadowed | taunt immune mobs? |
| 04:57.44 | Corrodias | yes |
| 04:58.07 | Beladona | back to the itunes thing |
| 04:58.09 | Shadowed | taunt immune mobs favor protection builds, because they have snap aggro abilities |
| 04:58.10 | Beladona | it isn't a ui is it? |
| 04:58.21 | Kameril | prot by far, for example noth in naxx, he's much more difficult as arms even with 5/5 defiance |
| 04:58.21 | Beladona | I coulda swore it was just keybins that lets you control itunes while in-game |
| 04:58.28 | Corrodias | now how the heck do you get to darkshore/teldrassil... |
| 04:58.28 | cladhaire | Beladona: That was our understanding as well |
| 04:58.42 | Shadowed | where are you atm? |
| 04:58.43 | Beladona | then there should be no graphics to find |
| 04:58.46 | tyroney | Oh, just bindings? I was hoping to borrow some button art. |
| 04:58.55 | Corrodias | just about anywhere else, but assume orgrimmar |
| 04:59.14 | Beladona | specifically lines 1185 - 1200 in bindings.xml |
| 04:59.24 | tyroney | That's all I could find of it. |
| 04:59.31 | Shadowed | are you horde or alliance? |
| 04:59.34 | Corrodias | horde |
| 04:59.45 | Shadowed | i don't think horde need to go to darkshore |
| 04:59.46 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/Bindings.xml |
| 04:59.52 | Corrodias | i saw a boat in feralas once. does that go up there? seems kind of far away from civilization for that. |
| 05:00.00 | Kameril | nope |
| 05:00.09 | Kameril | that just goes to feathermoon |
| 05:00.21 | Corrodias | man, i've not even heard of feathermoon. i need to do some reading. >:o |
| 05:00.24 | Kameril | fly to ashenvale from org, zoram stand or w/e |
| 05:00.33 | Kameril | then its just north of there |
| 05:00.56 | Corrodias | thanks; that doesn't seem too unlikely |
| 05:01.13 | Kameril | idk why you'd wanna go there as horde though |
| 05:01.14 | Beladona | oh and hi cladhaire, haven't seen you in a while, except when you were working |
| 05:01.32 | Corrodias | taming certain pets, mostly |
| 05:01.37 | cladhaire | Beladona: Samehere =) |
| 05:01.45 | Corrodias | i believe i'm aiming for the black tiger |
| 05:02.15 | Shadowed | ah then yeah, darkshore |
| 05:02.37 | Shadowed | but you'll have to run pretty far to get to it, i believe the only way to get to darkshore is to run from ashenvale -> DS |
| 05:02.48 | Beladona | very weird night tonight. Not many people on, probably due to holiday weekend / parties / etc... |
| 05:02.54 | Beladona | in wow I mean |
| 05:02.54 | tyroney | bah |
| 05:03.07 | Corrodias | it's not like i have anything else to do tonight. i need to pack up my computers in a couple of hours and it's rather depressing to think about. |
| 05:03.12 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 05:08.45 | cladhaire | should i go to bed? |
| 05:09.03 | kergoth | ~sleep |
| 05:09.17 | purl | rumour has it, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 05:09.24 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 05:09.24 | purl | aw, gee, kergoth |
| 05:10.04 | cladhaire | its 1am |
| 05:10.07 | cladhaire | i should go to bed |
| 05:10.11 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 05:10.14 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 05:10.16 | Esamynn | night |
| 05:12.13 | Nightdew | clad|sleep:night |
| 05:31.03 | JoshBorke | night clad |
| 05:32.22 | JoshBorke | guess i'm a little late |
| 05:35.31 | gnorlish | sapphiron down |
| 05:35.38 | gnorlish | by Dnt |
| 05:36.55 | JoshBorke | no shit? |
| 05:36.57 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 05:37.17 | gnorlish | time to see how bugged kel'thuzad is |
| 05:37.24 | gnorlish | for them, that is |
| 05:42.43 | Shadowed | it wont be |
| 05:42.57 | JoshBorke | /server -m irc.uberguilds.org |
| 05:42.58 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 05:44.54 | JoshBorke | lol Shadowed |
| 05:44.58 | JoshBorke | nice timing :-P |
| 05:45.21 | Shadowed | i decided to join to see whats going on in the chan |
| 05:47.14 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 05:47.28 | Cairenn | welcome back |
| 06:00.46 | jaxdahl | so yea |
| 06:00.48 | jaxdahl | sapphiron dead |
| 06:00.51 | jaxdahl | death & taxes |
| 06:01.02 | Cairenn | heard it the first time |
| 06:01.15 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:01.35 | Esamynn | wow, Only Kel left huh |
| 06:02.45 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 06:03.08 | Esamynn | we're working on the big spider atm |
| 06:03.44 | Shadowed | anub is ftl |
| 06:03.56 | Shadowed | but i get to tank the spider spawn things, so i can afk most of the fight |
| 06:03.56 | Esamynn | not that spider |
| 06:03.59 | jaxdahl | pro tip: east-west is better than north-south |
| 06:04.00 | Shadowed | maex ftl |
| 06:04.07 | Esamynn | Maexxna |
| 06:04.19 | Esamynn | Maexxna will be our 4th boss downed |
| 06:04.26 | Shadowed | Hitting DW, webbed |
| 06:04.29 | Shadowed | hitting DW + reck, webbed |
| 06:04.31 | Shadowed | makes me cry |
| 06:04.37 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 06:35.39 | Esamynn | Maexxna sucks! |
| 06:35.56 | subbawt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.10 | subbawt | we wiped to her at 7% twice in a row last night |
| 06:36.25 | Kameril | she's still too easy for an end wing boss imo =P |
| 06:36.39 | subbawt | yeah, there's not really much to the fight |
| 06:36.52 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1 |
| 06:38.41 | MentalPower|ZZzz | good night |
| 06:41.18 | ckknight | g'night |
| 06:42.02 | subbawt | we have wiped several times without really knowing what happened |
| 06:42.18 | subbawt | like we had every hot on the tank, he had a stoneshield up, he was at full health going into the web spray |
| 06:42.29 | subbawt | and he somehow just got owned |
| 06:43.01 | Shadowed | probably crits + poison on him |
| 06:50.40 | subbawt | it wasn't poison |
| 06:50.50 | subbawt | he was getting a lot of crushing blows on him |
| 06:50.55 | JoshBorke | ok bye |
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| 06:58.40 | Esamynn | well at least now we are dying to the combination of enrage + webspray |
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| 07:35.31 | Corrodias | time to prepare this computer to be packed up |
| 07:35.34 | Corrodias | must turn it off. 'ni |
| 07:35.42 | Cairenn | later Corrodias |
| 07:36.52 | Esamynn | night |
| 07:45.43 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 07:45.52 | Cairenn | night Esamynn |
| 07:46.45 | Esamynn | _*Maexxna sucks!!!!!!!*_ |
| 07:46.56 | Esamynn | just fyi |
| 08:12.18 | AnduinLothar | mmmm, wha? |
| 08:12.49 | AnduinLothar | well i'm gonna turn in early girls and boys. night |
| 08:13.24 | Cairenn | night AnduinLothar |
| 08:16.09 | Cairenn | I'm out too, night folks (for any that are actually still here and awake) |
| 08:58.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | hi guys :p |
| 09:01.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | how do i make a message pupop when the mouse pointer is over my bottun ? (since i dont see any "OnMoueseEnter" / "OnMouseLeave") |
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| 09:39.04 | Corrodias | i had a brilliant idea |
| 09:39.53 | Corrodias | instead of taking both computers, i'll implement the plan i had from the start and move the majority of my operations to the new computer. that will have the added benefit of leaving this computer, which actually has a chance of running WoW, here. i'm not sure what i'll do about a monitor, yet. |
| 09:44.43 | Mery | hmm how can ebay find out where I come from other than cookies or my IP? (I disabled cookies and used a proxy but it still says I'm not allowed to view the article because its a restricted category in my country.) |
| 09:45.03 | Corrodias | could be restricted in the country hosting the proxy |
| 09:45.37 | Mery | well i tired usa, korea, china, ... |
| 09:46.05 | Corrodias | well, that's a bit silly. what's the item? |
| 09:46.52 | Mery | 180022832833 |
| 09:47.07 | Mery | some WW2 mechanical calculator for air speed |
| 09:47.13 | Mery | i know its legal here |
| 09:47.23 | Corrodias | got a url? |
| 09:47.29 | Mery | but i guess they blocked the whole category because its simple |
| 09:47.37 | Mery | just put the number in the ebay search field |
| 09:47.56 | Corrodias | i'm trying to dust a hard drive, here |
| 09:48.18 | Corrodias | but okay, i'll play along |
| 09:49.12 | Corrodias | i can view it from the US... so i really don't know why the proxy isn't helping. let me sniff around a little. |
| 09:49.21 | Corrodias | you're going to www.ebay.com? |
| 09:49.39 | Mery | ya |
| 09:50.20 | Mery | its probably me not setting it up correctly |
| 09:52.53 | Corrodias | i really can't tell |
| 09:53.03 | Mery | ya thanks for checking |
| 09:53.12 | Mery | i think i setup something wrong within my system |
| 09:58.02 | Corrodias | brb |
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| 10:10.59 | Corrodias | surprise surprise, the KVM switch doesn't even need power from an outlet to run. ah, well. |
| 10:22.24 | Corrodias | now to pack the monitor and keyboard and such. no reason to leave mIRC running, really... |
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| 12:39.25 | Kirkburn | Man, ths is awesome :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4IBuXClWU |
| 12:45.59 | zinor | its bs to be honest :P |
| 12:46.14 | zinor | i was voting for bush because kerry's a pussy :) |
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| 12:50.17 | Kirkburn1 | zinor, I got disconnected just after you said "its bs to be honest :P" ... gah |
| 12:50.31 | zinor | (14:46:14) (zinor) i was voting for bush because kerry's a pussy :) |
| 12:51.04 | Kirkburn1 | Y'know, somehow you don't surprise me =) |
| 12:51.32 | zinor | :P |
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| 13:48.32 | Kirkburn | Haha: the internet is a series of tubes, and MS agree :P http://www.istartedsomething.com/20060902/microsoft-internet-tubes/ |
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| 15:32.28 | Maldivia | so, 1.13 patch, will be expansion patch ? |
| 15:32.46 | Kirkburn1 | It'll likely have a lot of the assets for it, I'm sure |
| 15:33.04 | Kirkburn1 | Whether it will be the expansion patch itself, don't know |
| 15:33.17 | Maldivia | just noticed that Iriel copy-pasted her 1.13 changed to "Expansion changed - consise list" sticky |
| 15:33.20 | Mikk | i heard the BC alpha FrameXML identifies itself as 2.0 |
| 15:33.28 | Kirkburn1 | Mikk, true |
| 15:33.36 | Kirkburn1 | The expansion is v2.0 of WoW |
| 15:33.58 | Kirkburn1 | Or at least, WoW will turn v2.0 when the expansion is released |
| 15:33.59 | Maldivia | ## Interface: 20000 |
| 15:34.08 | Maldivia | so yes, it looks like that |
| 15:34.15 | KaoS` | yeah 2.x for expansions.. 1.x for normal wow |
| 15:34.23 | Kirkburn1 | Maldivia, did you just call Iriel a girl? :P |
| 15:34.31 | KaoS` | since they will still patch 1.x builds for customers who do not get the expansion. |
| 15:34.46 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, his forum avatar is a girl :) |
| 15:34.47 | Kirkburn1 | KaoS`, I'm not sure, they may bump all of WoW to 2.0 |
| 15:35.11 | KaoS` | well look at starcraft/warcraft right? (and this may have changed now) |
| 15:35.21 | Kirkburn1 | Yes, but think of the UI problems |
| 15:35.21 | KaoS` | but don't they have expansion patches, and none expansion patches |
| 15:35.23 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online kept the same version number for those with and without expansions, but added "EP1" patches for those with |
| 15:35.32 | Kirkburn1 | If 1.14 existed, what would the toc be? |
| 15:35.39 | Maldivia | 11400 |
| 15:35.40 | Kirkburn1 | 20000 or 14000? |
| 15:35.45 | Kirkburn1 | or that, even :P |
| 15:35.59 | Kirkburn1 | But then you'd have two different tocs |
| 15:36.08 | Kirkburn1 | Which would be stupid |
| 15:36.18 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 15:36.28 | Maldivia | but then again, some addons will be expansion-only |
| 15:36.37 | Kirkburn1 | Not neccessarily |
| 15:36.41 | KaoS` | ehh |
| 15:36.46 | KaoS` | most games are like that |
| 15:36.55 | Kirkburn1 | Yes, the jewelcrafting UI may be available, but ununsable |
| 15:37.00 | Maldivia | Kirkburn1: how can I call GetNewSocketInfo from a non-expansion wow ? |
| 15:37.03 | Kirkburn1 | *unusable |
| 15:37.15 | Kirkburn1 | It would probably return false/nil values? |
| 15:37.32 | Maldivia | hmm, yeah - ok |
| 15:37.43 | Kirkburn1 | They can't start maintaining two different code bases, I'm saying :P |
| 15:37.43 | Maldivia | the functions will probably be there, aswell as the jewels etc |
| 15:38.08 | Mikk | I seriously doubt they'd want to do that |
| 15:38.09 | Maldivia | #ifdef .... #endif |
| 15:38.50 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: but yeah, they will most likely be useable aswell, considering non-expansion users will still see the gems etc, on AH, inspects etc (I guess) |
| 15:38.53 | Mikk | And as for APIs.... so what if they work if your character isn't allowed (by the server) to learn jewelcrafting |
| 15:39.18 | Kirkburn1 | The only difference between the expansion is normal WoW is that non-exp chars can't go to exp places or do jewelcrafting |
| 15:39.31 | Kirkburn1 | ack, you know what I meant :P |
| 15:40.03 | Maldivia | but what if a BOE item, with sockets drops that has a level req of 60 or below... can a non-BC user use it ? |
| 15:40.12 | Kirkburn1 | But everything else will be identical in UI terms =) |
| 15:40.17 | Mikk | probably |
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| 15:40.38 | Kirkburn1 | Atm, no BoE items are planned to be socketable below 60 |
| 15:40.59 | Kirkburn1 | That might have changes of course |
| 15:41.47 | Kirkburn1 | =) |
| 15:42.24 | Kirkburn1 | You can make socketable items for lower than 60 though, I think ... you'll need a jewelcrafter to make use of them though, afaik |
| 15:44.03 | Maldivia | well, from what I've seen sofar, jewelcrafters can make some interesting items |
| 15:44.35 | Kirkburn1 | Damn powerful ones with they get stuff in them :) |
| 15:45.20 | Maldivia | well, not just the socket-gems, the necklaces etc they can make aswell - has some nice auras some of the |
| 15:45.22 | Maldivia | them* |
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| 15:48.00 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, oh yeah, forgot about that |
| 15:48.07 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I want the expansion now! |
| 15:48.14 | Maldivia | go download it then ? :) |
| 15:48.29 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:48.42 | Maldivia | ohh yeah, minor detail with keys etc... but, mah.. |
| 15:49.08 | Kirkburn | Perhaps I should have inserted the word 'legally' there :) |
| 15:50.08 | Maldivia | build a time machine, and jump a few months into the future? |
| 15:51.20 | Kirkburn | Easy peasy |
| 15:51.43 | Kirkburn | Oh, no, wait, damn, wrong, thing. |
| 15:52.08 | Kirkburn | Hmm, what was the download link for the alpha? |
| 15:53.58 | Maldivia | beta.wow.com/expansion/downloads/ or something like that |
| 15:54.14 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I was one letter off |
| 15:54.18 | Kirkburn | I forgot the 's' |
| 15:54.29 | Mikk | downloadd? |
| 15:54.36 | Maldivia | lol |
| 15:54.43 | Maldivia | sownloasd... |
| 15:55.30 | Maldivia | Kirkburn, it's a 1.2GB download or so, and a 200MB patch afterwards |
| 15:57.39 | Kirkburn | There's already a patch for it? |
| 15:58.03 | Kirkburn | I was actually just looking to see was the version was now :P |
| 15:58.11 | Kirkburn | So ... what is the version now? |
| 15:59.50 | Maldivia | 5610 and 5665 |
| 16:00.08 | Mikk | that's the build number |
| 16:00.14 | Maldivia | 2.0.0.5610 then |
| 16:00.23 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I meant build number anyway =) |
| 16:00.28 | Mikk | ah =) |
| 16:00.57 | Maldivia | considering 1.12 is 5595 :) |
| 16:01.41 | Kirkburn | Indeed, it's not that much further - but since they've been developing in tandem, it's not that surprising :) |
| 16:01.45 | Mikk | sounds like a nightly build system |
| 16:02.04 | Maldivia | and it's been around 100-150 builds between major patches previously... :) |
| 16:02.36 | Maldivia | Miik: 70 builds between 1.12 and current, that would be 2½ month |
| 16:02.42 | Maldivia | if nightly |
| 16:02.44 | Mikk | my bad then |
| 16:02.55 | Kirkburn | The 1.12 PTR went through 100 builds on its own |
| 16:03.02 | Mikk | SVN rev number maybe then |
| 16:03.17 | Mikk | or whatever RCS they're using |
| 16:03.24 | Kirkburn | They probably average 2-3 a day |
| 16:03.41 | Maldivia | release version was around 4000, right? |
| 16:03.46 | Mikk | yea |
| 16:03.59 | Kirkburn | 4114 |
| 16:04.07 | Kirkburn | (1.1.2.4115) |
| 16:04.08 | Mikk | the more i think about it, the more it sounds like an RCS commit number |
| 16:04.24 | Kirkburn | (uh, yeah, that's what wdn says. 4114 and 4115) |
| 16:04.42 | Maldivia | ok, US CD version is ## Interface: 3975 |
| 16:05.14 | Kirkburn | Ah, and I remember why the toc was weird - they rarely matched in the early days |
| 16:05.33 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 16:06.01 | Maldivia | and before "load out of date" was enabled - the dreaded "toc update" every small patch |
| 16:06.05 | Kirkburn | So, 5565 minus 3975? :) |
| 16:06.24 | Maldivia | 1590 builds |
| 16:06.40 | Mikk | i doubt it's builds |
| 16:07.03 | Kirkburn | over 22 months |
| 16:07.14 | Mikk | it's not enough to include the developer's own builds |
| 16:07.17 | Maldivia | lol, the 200MB patch for the alpha, is 1.12.1 :) |
| 16:07.20 | Mikk | and it's too high for any internal testing system |
| 16:07.37 | Kirkburn | Wha?! |
| 16:07.43 | Kirkburn | 1.12.1 is 200 meg? |
| 16:07.50 | Mikk | so.. my money is on RCS commit number |
| 16:07.54 | MentalPower | its prolly the RCS commit number |
| 16:07.56 | MentalPower | bah |
| 16:08.08 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, from F&F to 1.12.1, apparently |
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| 16:08.40 | Kirkburn | Methinks they're getting assets out the door |
| 16:08.59 | Maldivia | wow, major bug fix in 1.12.1 :) |
| 16:08.59 | Maldivia | Most enchantments on items are no longer counted against the maximum limit of effects a player can have on them, so it should be much harder for a player to exceed their max limit on effects and have one be removed involuntarily. |
| 16:09.32 | Kirkburn | Where's that from? |
| 16:09.39 | Maldivia | 1.12.1 patch notes :) |
| 16:09.44 | MentalPower | linky? |
| 16:09.47 | Kirkburn | I wanna see! |
| 16:09.49 | MentalPower | or pastey :) |
| 16:10.58 | Maldivia | http://wowi.pastey.net/582 |
| 16:11.36 | Kirkburn | Lines 17/18 are a bit weird |
| 16:11.37 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 16:11.57 | Kirkburn | hullo Josh |
| 16:12.28 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: it so you can't just stealth and go afk, and farm honor that way |
| 16:12.38 | Kirkburn | aah, I see |
| 16:12.39 | Maldivia | I guess |
| 16:12.50 | Kirkburn | Guess that includes shadowmeld |
| 16:13.47 | Kirkburn | If it really is 200 meg for us, my guess is that it'll be things like the draenei models |
| 16:15.23 | Kirkburn | Basically, stuff that non-BC people will be able to see |
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| 16:15.39 | MentalPower | farming galore then |
| 16:15.45 | MentalPower | data farming that is |
| 16:15.50 | MentalPower | or more than now |
| 16:16.06 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 16:17.30 | Maldivia | Uhh... |
| 16:18.03 | Kirkburn | Urglmil kerle wekeinl muroglml!! |
| 16:18.15 | Maldivia | EquipItemByName, UseItemByName in base API |
| 16:18.29 | Kirkburn | (if you want a translation of that, visit http://murloc.no-ip.org/) |
| 16:19.17 | Maldivia | FocusTarget... hmm? |
| 16:19.41 | Shadowed | FATAL ERROR |
| 16:19.54 | Shadowed | the gnomish translation matrix has exploded and crits you for 5075 damage |
| 16:19.55 | Shadowed | you die |
| 16:20.20 | Kirkburn | lol, works for me :) |
| 16:21.34 | Maldivia | hmm, armor reduction algorithm has changed in the expansion ? |
| 16:21.59 | Kirkburn | Maybe this is a silly question - but the expansion has patch notes, right? |
| 16:22.22 | zenzelezz | nope, when the expansion comes we'll all have to discover the changes for ourselves |
| 16:22.33 | Kirkburn | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 16:22.47 | Maldivia | the F&F contains the 1.12 patch notes |
| 16:22.58 | Kirkburn | That's all? |
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| 16:23.12 | Maldivia | haven't found anything else |
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| 16:26.53 | Kirkburn | Btw two cool posts by Tseric about the expansion - mages: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14715198&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 16:26.59 | Kirkburn | warlocks: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14715101&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 16:28.06 | Maldivia | ok, current F&F version doesn't have lua 5.1 |
| 16:29.07 | Maldivia | lol: -- Temporary Hack (Temporary meaning 2 yrs, haha) |
| 16:29.23 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:29.23 | MentalPower | morning Cair |
| 16:29.32 | Cairenn | morning guys |
| 16:29.40 | Maldivia | morning Cairenn :) |
| 16:29.45 | Kirkburn | morning! |
| 16:29.54 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 16:30.34 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 16:31.58 | Cairenn | uh huh ... |
| 16:32.24 | JoshBorke | why cookies of course |
| 16:32.28 | JoshBorke | lots and lots of cookies |
| 16:33.18 | clad|sleep | morning all |
| 16:33.21 | JoshBorke | morning cla |
| 16:33.24 | JoshBorke | blasted |
| 16:33.28 | Cairenn | hi clad|sleep |
| 16:33.37 | Kirkburn | Lol, it's WoW as populated by chipmunks!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OZ6Y0NCDQ0 |
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| 16:35.34 | Thrae | Hmm, is there a smart way to determine an emote you use with DoEmote from an emote you would use with /emote ? Right now I'm just doing strfind(emote, "%s", 1), but I'm not sure that'll work on all locales. |
| 16:36.19 | Thrae | Wait, I know what I can do. |
| 16:37.01 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: so what'd you fix last night? ^_^ |
| 16:37.08 | Kirkburn | Oh, no, wait now THIS is awesome. From north to south EK in two minutes :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYyPyQT1Ug |
| 16:37.21 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: Random de-targeting based on range/lOs/etc with all frames |
| 16:38.07 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: holy shit thats cool =) |
| 16:38.28 | Kirkburn | THe google version fo the speed run is a it clearer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8825699868685791451 |
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| 16:40.15 | Kirkburn | On an epic mount it took 30 mins to go from Undercity to Grom'gol |
| 16:51.08 | JoshBorke | bah! idTellTarget doesn't work in BGs :-( |
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| 17:00.23 | Mery | -- Temporary Hack (Temporary meaning 2 yrs, haha) |
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| 17:06.07 | ragedmunki | Is the maker of !Clearfont here? |
| 17:06.29 | Kirkburn | What, that weirdo? :) |
| 17:06.44 | Kirkburn | Hullo |
| 17:06.56 | cladhaire | lol |
| 17:07.18 | ragedmunki | Hello |
| 17:07.24 | ragedmunki | i was looking for some help |
| 17:07.45 | Thrae | I hear the maker of ClearFont eats babies. After making smokestacks out of them. |
| 17:07.46 | ragedmunki | ive been getting some problems in wow |
| 17:07.47 | Kirkburn | How may I aid you, my good sir? |
| 17:08.15 | ragedmunki | well, ill tell you the problem, and you tell me your expert opinion on if its something you can help me with |
| 17:08.17 | Kirkburn | Thrae, dammit, how did you find out? :O |
| 17:08.27 | ragedmunki | the names above player's heads in WoW |
| 17:08.39 | Kirkburn | Yup - blank? |
| 17:08.41 | ragedmunki | unless im zoomed all the way in, they get very...un-sharp |
| 17:08.54 | Kirkburn | oh that :/ |
| 17:08.58 | ragedmunki | so i downloaded your added and tried to mess with it |
| 17:09.03 | ragedmunki | make the font larger |
| 17:09.06 | ragedmunki | things like that |
| 17:09.19 | ragedmunki | and, im getting nowhere |
| 17:09.21 | Kirkburn | I don't think the nameplates can be scaled :( |
| 17:09.41 | ragedmunki | ah. |
| 17:09.48 | ragedmunki | can i change it to a larger font? |
| 17:09.59 | Kirkburn | They're not coded in quite the same way as everything else, I think |
| 17:10.09 | Kirkburn | Yeah, if you can find a larger font :) |
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| 17:10.32 | Kirkburn | "NAMEPLATE_FONT = CLEAR_FONT;" is the line I think |
| 17:10.38 | ragedmunki | im talking about just normal names not....when you press the v button on your keyboard to bring up the little hp-bars above the mobs/players around you |
| 17:10.50 | Kirkburn | Or "UNIT_NAME_FONT = CLEAR_FONT;" |
| 17:10.57 | ragedmunki | right ive been looking at that |
| 17:11.02 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 17:11.14 | ragedmunki | where would i add X * CF_SCALE; |
| 17:12.03 | Kirkburn | I don't know of anywhere it can be changed in the UI code |
| 17:12.21 | Kirkburn | 2 secs, I'll do some searches |
| 17:12.26 | ragedmunki | ok :) |
| 17:13.52 | Kirkburn | Hmm, no luck |
| 17:14.04 | ragedmunki | could you do me a favor? |
| 17:14.07 | ragedmunki | http://stackanddie.com/img/deadeye1.jpeg |
| 17:14.27 | ragedmunki | take a look at that, would you be able to tell me which font that is over the player's heads |
| 17:14.57 | Kirkburn | Looks something like Tw Cen MT |
| 17:15.38 | Kirkburn | I'm sure there's another one like that, hmm |
| 17:15.49 | ragedmunki | im trying to achieve something like that |
| 17:15.57 | ragedmunki | where no matter how far they are i can still read there names |
| 17:16.07 | Kirkburn | Gill Sans MT is similar too |
| 17:16.25 | Kirkburn | That'll be veeery hard :P |
| 17:16.36 | zenzelezz | argh... our cat has been shouting for several hours now... hate mating season |
| 17:17.10 | ragedmunki | would my graphic card have any influence on my problem? |
| 17:17.19 | ragedmunki | im running wow at max settings |
| 17:17.23 | ragedmunki | 1280x1024 res |
| 17:17.30 | Kirkburn | The only thing that would probably help is a higher res, yeah |
| 17:17.44 | Kirkburn | And a masssive monitor |
| 17:17.51 | ragedmunki | unfortunaly i cant go higher then what im at , damn LCD |
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| 17:18.03 | Kirkburn | WoW's ability to antialias text is not amazing |
| 17:18.16 | Kirkburn | (downright crap in some cases) |
| 17:18.31 | ragedmunki | heh |
| 17:18.49 | Iceroth | cladhaire, what's needed to make my hud work with clique out of the box? |
| 17:19.00 | ragedmunki | how would i go about changing the font to " Tw Cen MT /Gill Sans MT " |
| 17:19.14 | cladhaire | Iceroth: do you have a click function? |
| 17:19.20 | Iceroth | yep |
| 17:19.23 | Kirkburn | Make a similar font pack to mine using that font :) |
| 17:19.44 | cladhaire | add the following logic if MyCustomClickFunction and not MyCustomClickFunction(button, unit) then -- Do your default stuff here end |
| 17:19.55 | cladhaire | i then just set MyCustomClickFunction, which magically activates it. |
| 17:20.50 | ragedmunki | another thing, could the creator of the insomniax addon compilation have edited your addon to make it look the way it does in that screenshot? ( the player who took that screenshot uses Insomniax M) |
| 17:21.12 | Kirkburn | Yeah, quite possible |
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| 17:21.51 | ragedmunki | when i downloaded insomniax he had to folder for the fonts that you put in your wow directory |
| 17:22.00 | ragedmunki | just the !Clearfont folder |
| 17:22.15 | ragedmunki | err....he had no folder for fonts ** |
| 17:22.33 | Kirkburn | ragedmunki, sounds like he has/had an old version |
| 17:22.38 | wowi-lounge | grrrrr |
| 17:22.43 | yacoob | cladhaire: is there any reason for not making clique autoscale heals with looking at +healing bonus? |
| 17:22.43 | JoshBorke | ...cair |
| 17:22.46 | Kirkburn | ~poke yacoob |
| 17:22.49 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind yacoob, pokes yacoob repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:22.57 | cladhaire | yacoob: Yes, I fundamentally disagree with spell scaling. |
| 17:23.02 | cladhaire | So i intentionally wrote my code to be stupid about it. |
| 17:23.07 | cladhaire | it only does exactly what you ask it to |
| 17:23.10 | yacoob | Hehe :) |
| 17:23.26 | JoshBorke | then why won't it make me toast! |
| 17:23.29 | yacoob | Care to think about those who do agree with spell scaling? |
| 17:23.36 | yacoob | (and make it a toggleable option?) |
| 17:23.36 | cladhaire | yacoob: No, actually |
| 17:23.40 | cladhaire | yacoob: I will not write it. |
| 17:23.49 | cladhaire | Everything is in theree. |
| 17:23.58 | cladhaire | you can manually add your plus healing equi |
| 17:24.02 | cladhaire | along with a modifier |
| 17:24.08 | cladhaire | and it'll heal to that amount instead of the actual health deficit. |
| 17:24.13 | yacoob | and remember to update it every time it changes, yes. :) |
| 17:24.27 | yacoob | (besides, it's not always 100% of +healing, that's why I'm ranting) |
| 17:24.47 | JoshBorke | yacoob: it's quite simple, just write a function that will return the information you want/need |
| 17:25.06 | JoshBorke | ie, your function sets the +healing, and the modifier and passes it to the cladhaire |
| 17:25.30 | JoshBorke | and by cladhaire i mean clique :-D |
| 17:25.38 | yacoob | 8 |
| 17:25.39 | yacoob | 8) |
| 17:25.42 | cladhaire | yacoob: You don't want to get me started on this, I promise =) I've been really clear how I stand with mods making decisions for you. |
| 17:26.01 | Nightdew | cladhaire: you have? ;) |
| 17:26.06 | cladhaire | smartass =) |
| 17:26.11 | yacoob | cladhaire: not that I understand nor am happy about that, but that's another thing. Thanks for the explanation. |
| 17:26.12 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 17:27.03 | yacoob | (this is a mplayer-devs-like behaviour, if anyone experienced discussing with those around mplayer 0.5 :) |
| 17:27.20 | zenzelezz | mplayer? |
| 17:27.37 | yacoob | Media player for linux and win32. Nevermind :) |
| 17:28.07 | JoshBorke | i take cladhaire's position also |
| 17:28.27 | Cairenn | so does Blizzard |
| 17:28.31 | cladhaire | which is why i have it. |
| 17:28.40 | cladhaire | well, one of the reasons. |
| 17:28.46 | Nightdew | Cairenn: what do you mean so does blizzard? |
| 17:28.47 | yacoob | It still doesn't have subtitles color selection, because devs don't think it's appropiate. So be it :) |
| 17:29.15 | cladhaire | The furthest I will ever go is provide a bonusscanner plugin.. but i wont be writing it. |
| 17:29.17 | Cairenn | Blizz doesn't like mods that make decisions for you, this is a a well known fact |
| 17:29.29 | cladhaire | something that auto calculates the plus healing gear |
| 17:29.30 | cladhaire | but thats it. |
| 17:29.40 | cladhaire | and again, i wont write it. but if soeone does, i'll consider distributing it. |
| 17:30.09 | cladhaire | spell scaling currently isn't done well enough to be used in 40 man raids, and what I have is more than capable for anything below that. |
| 17:30.38 | cladhaire | mods aren't here to make decisions for you |
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| 17:30.46 | Cide | as a healer, you're not ever going to be "as good" as you can be if you have a mod choosing spell [rank] |
| 17:30.49 | Kirkburn1 | fiiinnaaalllly |
| 17:30.53 | Kirkburn1 | Sorry, have had apower cut for the last 10 mins |
| 17:30.54 | cladhaire | Cide: thank you =) |
| 17:31.05 | Cairenn | welcome back Kirkburn |
| 17:31.15 | Kirkburn1 | ragedmunki, if you've said anything in the last 10 mins, I didn't hear it =) |
| 17:31.21 | ragedmunki | ah |
| 17:31.22 | Kirkburn1 | Why thank you, m'lady :) |
| 17:31.31 | yacoob | Cide: well, in most of the cases, biggest rank is used anyway. I rather think about running low-levels through something. |
| 17:31.32 | Cairenn | but of course my good sir |
| 17:31.41 | cladhaire | yacoob: And for that, why do you need more than what I give you? |
| 17:31.46 | Cide | yacoob: update your action bar, then |
| 17:31.48 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 17:31.54 | yacoob | And, I really hate to have >1 copy of spell there :) |
| 17:32.06 | yacoob | cladhaire: just wondering, in fact. |
| 17:32.09 | Cide | I have greater heal rank 1, rank 3, rank 5, heal rank 3, heal rank 1, prayer of healing rank 5, prayer of healing rank 1 |
| 17:32.12 | cladhaire | yacoob: Fair enough =) |
| 17:32.12 | Cide | all on my main action bar |
| 17:32.20 | cladhaire | yacoob: The answer is there just isn't a need for it |
| 17:32.32 | yacoob | cladhaire: don't make me dissapear, nooooo! *puff* |
| 17:32.41 | cladhaire | Cide: I have Heal rank 1 heal rank 3, two ranks of flash heal and two ranks of gheal bound in clique |
| 17:33.02 | y____b | :(( |
| 17:33.07 | y____b | I'm fading, help! :) |
| 17:33.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:33.13 | yacoob | ...but seriously. |
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| 17:33.34 | Cide | yacoob: if you want to have mods choosing spells for you in raids, you're either a bad or a lazy healer. sorry :) |
| 17:33.46 | Nightdew | well based on that |
| 17:33.58 | Nightdew | why be so harsh on automating a few things |
| 17:34.03 | yacoob | cladhaire: to be more specific - I'm trying to stomp on my UI memory usage. And finding replacements from the fattests ones. |
| 17:34.11 | Nightdew | if automating results in players that are less capable.. why care? |
| 17:34.16 | Cairenn | Nightdew: remember the hint - no high horses |
| 17:34.30 | Kirkburn | Small shetland ponies okay? |
| 17:34.33 | cladhaire | Nightdew: Because blizzard doesn't want it, I dont agree with it, and I won't write it =) |
| 17:34.33 | Cide | Nightdew: I wrote ctra to help raiding guilds/raid leaders |
| 17:35.00 | yacoob | cladhaire: thus, jumping from ctra makes me loose smartheal. So far, I'm using perl raid unitframes, but I'm looking into sRaid, which is not supported by smartheal :) |
| 17:35.02 | Shadowed | Dying because your healer is trying to use a mod like benecast's mana converse is never fun |
| 17:35.02 | Cide | I'm not going to make the raiders worse by having the mod make less-than-optimal and unintelligent decisions |
| 17:35.18 | Nightdew | Cairenn: im not, just curious as to what the root of the objections are |
| 17:35.29 | Kirkburn | Me no getty PMS, you needy register |
| 17:35.32 | yacoob | Nightdew: hard beliefs. :) |
| 17:35.39 | Shadowed | "Ouro crits you for 2,200 damage. Ouro crits you for 2,000 damage. So and so greater heal heals you for 500. Ouro crits you for 2,000 damage. you die" |
| 17:35.40 | Shadowed | :( |
| 17:35.49 | ragedmunki | ooo |
| 17:35.51 | cladhaire | Shadowed: And therein lies the problem =) |
| 17:35.51 | Cide | Nightdew: the fact that raiding guilds want their raiders to perform, not watch TV |
| 17:35.52 | JoshBorke | lol shadowed |
| 17:36.14 | Cide | or, more appropriately |
| 17:36.16 | cladhaire | if you dontr have a 500, 1000, 2000, and 3000 hp heal bound somewhere manually in a 40 man raid, I'd rather you weren't healing me :P |
| 17:36.17 | Kirkburn | Indeed ragedmunki, I haven't been getting any PMs :P Easy to register though |
| 17:36.26 | yacoob | Cide: slowly I'm getting an impression that you consider your gaming very serious issue. |
| 17:36.29 | Cairenn | ragedmunki: /msg nickserv register <pw> |
| 17:36.32 | ragedmunki | do you have aim/msn? |
| 17:36.33 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: :-( |
| 17:36.36 | Nightdew | but as with anything, those that are stupid about their tasks will ultimately be dropped, resolving the issue automatically |
| 17:36.38 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: hehe |
| 17:36.40 | JoshBorke | i just have 500/1000/2500 heal |
| 17:36.42 | Kirkburn | I do, but I'd rather talk on here |
| 17:36.47 | Cide | yacoob: my mod has over 3 million users, so yes, I consider that a "serious" thing |
| 17:36.49 | ragedmunki | ok |
| 17:36.54 | Shadowed | Cide doesn't want people to be able to be lazy about it |
| 17:37.00 | cladhaire | Nightdew: How do you decide who's being stupid? Save for parsing every single combat log for spell patterns, you can't gauge the effectiveness of a healer. |
| 17:37.09 | Shadowed | and as a warrior who tanks and has had healers who use benecast mana converse mods, and i've died multiple times from it |
| 17:37.14 | yacoob | start charging for that... whoops, wrong raid-helper-addon author 8) |
| 17:37.14 | Shadowed | i can fully understand what he's saying |
| 17:37.15 | ragedmunki | so clearfont doesnt have any effect on the text above players heads? |
| 17:37.35 | Kirkburn | It can only change the font, but nothing else :( |
| 17:37.45 | Shadowed | cladhaire: we use a mod that lets you get the last X seconds of combat, it's actually pretty handy |
| 17:37.48 | yacoob | ragedmunki: yup, only interface fonts |
| 17:37.49 | Kirkburn | Unforunately, that part of the UI was coded differently to the main stuff |
| 17:37.51 | Nightdew | Oh come on, i see people being cursed in my guild all the time for doing the wrong thing |
| 17:37.53 | Cide | "Ok, I'm supposed to proactively heal this Patchwerk tank... I click my healing spell 2 sec before he gets hit to land it .5 sec after he gets it (2.5 sec gheal)... oh shit, PW: S? renew?!! WTF.. Patchwerk's Hateful Strike hits YourTank for 8983. YourTank dies." |
| 17:37.58 | Nightdew | and get booted for so many raids |
| 17:38.20 | Shadowed | It's nice when you're dealing with healing rotations, or you want to find out wtf just happened to a warrior |
| 17:38.46 | ragedmunki | would i be able to change the font for ONLY the playernames, nothing else, and the font by default is large, and bold |
| 17:38.52 | cladhaire | Nightdew: You assume a whole lot. |
| 17:39.03 | yacoob | The funniest part is, my healer is long unused, all dusty and sticky, and I probably won't be playing her much. But still, an academic discussion! :D |
| 17:39.04 | Nightdew | Listen im not argueing that you can go to far with automating, but something like scaling doesnt harm anyone for instance.. |
| 17:39.28 | Cide | Nightdew: consider the situation I outlined, how is that not harmful? |
| 17:39.31 | Kirkburn | ragedmunki, yes, that would be possible |
| 17:39.45 | Shadowed | Scaling harms a lot of people |
| 17:39.55 | cladhaire | Nightdew: Yes it is, that's our point |
| 17:40.05 | yacoob | Every time you autoscale a healing spell, god kills a murloc. |
| 17:40.05 | ragedmunki | could you help me go about that, if it wouldn't be too much of a bother for you |
| 17:40.12 | Cide | yacoob: or, a tank :) |
| 17:40.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 17:40.15 | Nightdew | sorry let me rephrase |
| 17:40.16 | cladhaire | spell scaling WITHOUT full combat log monitporing, looking at damage per second incoming, and heals per second incoming on the target.. is more harmful than useful in 40 man raids. |
| 17:40.19 | JoshBorke | is there any way to get the weather? |
| 17:40.21 | yacoob | Cide: murloc tank! :) |
| 17:40.25 | Nightdew | buff scaling based on level |
| 17:40.29 | Shadowed | cladhaire even then it wouldn't be that helpful |
| 17:40.32 | cladhaire | Nightdew: I provide that. |
| 17:40.33 | Hatsuki | which mod has over 3million users? ctraid? |
| 17:40.38 | cladhaire | Nightdew: Always have |
| 17:40.39 | Shadowed | Nightdew: Buff scaling VS heal scaling are two different things |
| 17:40.40 | Cide | Hatsuki: yes |
| 17:40.41 | cladhaire | cause thats not a mod making a decision for you |
| 17:40.46 | Kirkburn | ragedmunki, for that you would comment out or delete all the irrelevant font lines in ClearFont.lua |
| 17:40.49 | yacoob | Damn, rant get out of control, and I had second question to roll in... :DDD |
| 17:40.54 | cladhaire | thats a mod choosing the correct rank of the spell |
| 17:40.54 | Hatsuki | that's quite a lot considering there're like 5-6million players |
| 17:40.58 | cladhaire | with healing, there is no "Correct rank" |
| 17:41.11 | cladhaire | Nightdew: Thats functinoality that Blizzard should/would/could put in themselves. |
| 17:41.23 | Cide | Hatsuki: last known figure is 6.5 million, but yes, we have quite a few users |
| 17:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | is anyone else having a problem with damagemetersfu? :O |
| 17:41.35 | ragedmunki | so i would put -- before everything except UNIT_NAME_FONT = CLEAR_FONT; |
| 17:41.35 | ragedmunki | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.40 | Kirkburn | Cide, I think it's past 7 million now :) |
| 17:41.40 | Nightdew | I disagree, esp after so many versions of this game they still havent done so |
| 17:41.45 | Cide | Kirkburn: I don't doubt it |
| 17:41.54 | Kirkburn | ragedmunki, yup, pretty much |
| 17:41.55 | cladhaire | Nightdew: But thats not what this discussion was about. |
| 17:42.02 | Nightdew | My point is that there is a good sized grey area and where the boundry of too much automation is vague |
| 17:42.06 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 17:42.07 | cladhaire | no there isn't. |
| 17:42.08 | Shadowed | not really |
| 17:42.10 | cladhaire | its black and swhite |
| 17:42.11 | Cide | then again, the whole healing concept is flawed, in a way |
| 17:42.13 | Shadowed | It's simple |
| 17:42.23 | Shadowed | If you're not choosing spell rank yourself, it's too much automation. |
| 17:42.30 | ragedmunki | ok, then how would i go about finding/making a fontpack to suit my needs? |
| 17:42.32 | Kirkburn | (all the font lines in section B, don't touch the rest of the code) |
| 17:42.39 | Nightdew | then buff scaling is too much automation |
| 17:42.44 | Cide | my heal rank 2, which I get at something like level 25, heals for about 1300 for 174 mana |
| 17:43.10 | Shadowed | If you're using CTRA you don't need buff scaling |
| 17:43.12 | Nightdew | and then Shadowed and cladhaire just proved my point that it is grey |
| 17:43.18 | Shadowed | ... |
| 17:43.22 | Cide | which is about 7.5 healing per mana, compared to about 3100 for gheal rank 5 at 603 mana |
| 17:43.22 | cladhaire | Nightdew: Ask Blizzard |
| 17:43.30 | cladhaire | I dont claim to know what they say on everyting |
| 17:43.33 | Cide | which ends up being 5.1 hpm |
| 17:43.34 | cladhaire | but I know what they say on this. |
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| 17:44.03 | Kirkburn | ragedmunki, just see how I've done it, and follow that. By understanding how ClearFont works, you'll have a much better idea how to do any further stuff :) |
| 17:44.44 | yacoob | at the risk of creating an even bigger storm, a second question I'll ask :) |
| 17:44.48 | Kirkburn | There's more info on the website which may help |
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| 17:46.02 | ragedmunki | Will do, Thanks for putting up with me. |
| 17:46.09 | yacoob | Can anyone recommend DAB replacement? I need a possibility to set up single buttons, not only whole 10-button bars, and autoswitch things basing on shapeshift/stance/stealth, friendly/unfriendly and in-range/out-of-range |
| 17:46.23 | yacoob | So far, only DAB and Flexbar qualifies, both being fat memory eaters. |
| 17:46.26 | Kirkburn | Np, I want to help :) |
| 17:46.33 | Kirkburn | Good luck with it! |
| 17:47.40 | yacoob | ...hey, I do hear the wind whistling! :) |
| 17:51.04 | Kirkburn | ckknight is awesome, one night I mention to him that I'm missing two FuBar addons, next night they're on the Ace SVN updated to Ace2 :D |
| 17:52.14 | JoshBorke | yacoob: GRAB! |
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| 17:53.20 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 17:53.34 | Cairenn | welcome back |
| 17:53.54 | yacoob | GRAB? |
| 17:54.04 | Shadowed | speak of the devil |
| 17:54.04 | yacoob | which part should I grab? :) |
| 17:55.05 | Shadowed | lol |
| 17:55.13 | Kirkburn | That was silly Cairenn |
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| 17:55.14 | Shadowed | it's so tempting though |
| 17:55.16 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 17:55.29 | Shadowed | Cairenn always manages to turn an innocent question into something dirty |
| 17:55.34 | Cairenn | I do not! |
| 17:55.36 | Shadowed | it's not even 12 AM yet |
| 17:55.54 | tyroney | Um, what's chatzilla trying to do when I join that requires op? |
| 17:56.03 | Shadowed | kick everyone from the channel |
| 17:56.30 | tyroney | Anyways. |
| 17:56.45 | break19 | tyroney: actually, its a stupid client, so it's trying to determine if you are opped or not. |
| 17:56.57 | tyroney | But it's so cute! |
| 17:57.33 | break19 | heh, Terminal + irssi is best |
| 17:57.57 | tyroney | So, the reason I came here: should I be having issues parenting my frame to a texture? As in, my frame isn't being hidden along with it. |
| 17:59.03 | break19 | I'm just here hoping to pick up bits and pieces of useful(less?) knowledge.. heh |
| 17:59.08 | tyroney | Hey! just bothered to check the framexml log. |
| 17:59.22 | tyroney | "Couldn't find frame parent: PlayerLeaderIcon" I guess it won't work. |
| 18:16.34 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|dinner: enjoy |
| 18:16.42 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|dinner: what are we having this evening? |
| 18:21.03 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 18:21.35 | JoshBorke | oink |
| 18:21.47 | JoshBorke | AL, do you have any other 60s besides your n00badin? i mean paladin? |
| 18:21.55 | Cairenn | purr |
| 18:22.32 | AnduinLothar | nope. I figue 100 days play time on 1 pally is enough |
| 18:22.37 | AnduinLothar | er 100 days at 60 |
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| 18:23.10 | AnduinLothar | plus i'd feel silly playing a noob 60 when i have a pally with like 5893602535278 epics |
| 18:23.59 | AnduinLothar | but these are all just excuses. I just don't want to lvl again |
| 18:24.18 | JoshBorke | lol, i know what you mean |
| 18:24.21 | JoshBorke | someone how i got a priest to 60 |
| 18:24.29 | AnduinLothar | I leveled a pally to 20+ in stress test, then again in open beta and again in retail |
| 18:25.15 | AnduinLothar | I have a lock I got to 20 who's never worn more than a dagger |
| 18:25.24 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:25.32 | AnduinLothar | and I have a tauren druid i go to 16 |
| 18:25.38 | AnduinLothar | all the rest are test chars |
| 18:26.27 | yacoob | cladhaire: with somewhat uneasy mind I just found your arguments about scaling true. *bow* |
| 18:26.37 | AnduinLothar | the lock is my challenge. I go on her when i'm feeling suicidal and want to pwn mobs 3 lvls lower than me |
| 18:28.25 | tyroney | I have this warrior who's only used cloth, fist, shield and bow. It was a fun few levels with nothing but thunder clap when he was leveling to learn fist weapons. |
| 18:28.37 | cladhaire | yacoob: Thats unfortunate =( |
| 18:28.59 | yacoob | cladhaire: but I can still pester you, just for the sake of it 8) |
| 18:29.21 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 18:29.30 | yacoob | Would disabling auction part of kc_items stop it from loading whole AH data? |
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| 18:30.04 | yacoob | (Because with Auctioneer: it holds all data in one sv (per account), and this grows to 10 MB (four realms' scans) - so I really use it only on bank alts) |
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| 18:30.31 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 18:31.49 | JoshBorke | hola! |
| 18:31.58 | End | hallo |
| 18:32.14 | Cairenn | hi ComicSansMS |
| 18:32.24 | Cairenn | Maldivia: what are you being all emo about? |
| 18:32.39 | Maldivia | Cairenn: not emo... just noticed the subtlety nerf for mages in the expansion |
| 18:33.14 | Cairenn | ah |
| 18:33.35 | ComicSansMS | nerf for mages in the expansion? |
| 18:33.45 | cladhaire | Nerf shaman! |
| 18:33.56 | Cide | nerf priests |
| 18:34.11 | Cide | I don't think the general opinion has ever been "nerf priests" |
| 18:34.21 | Cide | people said that when they saw our review, but never in practice :P |
| 18:34.29 | End | maybe nerf shadow priests |
| 18:34.34 | Cide | eh |
| 18:34.44 | End | I've never heard a plain nerf priests though |
| 18:34.46 | Cide | shadow priests are awesome for 1v1 pvp in the beginning |
| 18:35.01 | Cide | but with gear they become worse and worse |
| 18:35.03 | Maldivia | Cide: you're going to like: Mass Ressurection and Circle of Renewal :) |
| 18:35.11 | Shadowed | i hate priests |
| 18:35.12 | Cide | new spells in tbc? |
| 18:35.15 | Shadowed | hate hate hate hate them |
| 18:35.17 | Shadowed | 23$% |
| 18:35.34 | Maldivia | Cide: yeah |
| 18:35.37 | Cide | confirmed? |
| 18:35.43 | Maldivia | nope |
| 18:35.46 | End | hmm, mass ressurection would be good for wipes |
| 18:35.47 | Shadowed | where's this posted? |
| 18:36.03 | Cide | spells.dbc, most likely :P |
| 18:36.10 | End | I'm not sure what circle of renewal would be though? |
| 18:36.17 | Maldivia | Cide: they just appeared in the 5665 build of spells.dbc :) |
| 18:36.20 | End | some sort of aoe renew? |
| 18:36.21 | Shadowed | AE Renew |
| 18:36.27 | Cide | supposedly it's targeted ae heal |
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| 18:36.34 | Cide | as in, targeted player's group |
| 18:36.36 | Shadowed | shadow priests are pretty powerful with gear btw |
| 18:36.53 | Maldivia | Circle of Renewal(Rank 1): Heals target party member and other party members within 15 yards of the target for 1445 over 15 sec. |
| 18:36.56 | Shadowed | they become worst with gear if played well against melee classes |
| 18:37.14 | Maldivia | 700 mana, 1.5sec cast |
| 18:37.41 | Cide | Shadowed: our main spells don't scale though |
| 18:37.41 | Cide | well, SW: P scales with +dmg but can't crit |
| 18:37.41 | Cide | mind blast can crit but barely scales with +dmg (1.5/3.5) and has a cooldown |
| 18:37.44 | Cide | mind flay can't crit and scales 45% with +dmg gear |
| 18:38.09 | Shadowed | SW:P + Devo plague + PW:S = dead warrior or rogue |
| 18:38.11 | Maldivia | Cide: Shadow Word: Death(Rank 2): A word of dark binding that inflicts 572 to 664 Shadow damage to the target. If the target is not killed, the caster also takes 572 to 664 Shadow damage. |
| 18:38.11 | Cide | we're decent in pvp, but healing priests are much more effective for serious pvping |
| 18:38.27 | End | so shadow priests lack a spell with long casting time? |
| 18:38.30 | Maldivia | instant cast, 6sec CD |
| 18:38.51 | Shadowed | was only recently that i could start killing shadow priests |
| 18:38.55 | Shadowed | and that was only with gear :/ |
| 18:39.04 | Shadowed | good shadow priests that i |
| 18:39.05 | Shadowed | s |
| 18:40.18 | ComicSansMS | does anyone by chance happen to know what's the name of the frame that displays the yellow status messages when completing quest objectives? |
| 18:40.27 | Shadowed | UIErrorsFrame |
| 18:40.38 | ComicSansMS | thanks shadowed :) |
| 18:41.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 18:42.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | what kind of bonus does frostbolt get from +damage, and the same for mindflay? :O |
| 18:42.42 | yacoob | Erp. KC_EnhancedTrades is spitting errors at me :> |
| 18:42.46 | yacoob | *rushes to report a bug* |
| 18:43.06 | Cide | End: yep |
| 18:43.06 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: I think frostbolt gets something like 70-80% of +dmg |
| 18:44.09 | Mikk | frostbolt gets 3/3.5 |
| 18:44.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | the mindflay on my priest shows 49.4% +dam coefficient, and +66.2% +dam efficiency, no clue which one is which |
| 18:44.39 | Maldivia | frostbolt gets 80.7% (7/3.5-0.05) |
| 18:44.46 | yacoob | ha, it's even there: http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=2&a=viewbug&bugid=1366 |
| 18:44.50 | Maldivia | 3/3.5-0.05 :) |
| 18:45.08 | Mikk | ah. 5% supposedly going into the freeze effect |
| 18:45.31 | Maldivia | yep |
| 18:45.53 | Cide | mind flay gets roughly 45% +dmg |
| 18:45.54 | Cide | yep |
| 18:46.00 | Cide | Maldivia: what about mass dispel? :P |
| 18:46.04 | Cide | it was added to our spell listing |
| 18:46.09 | Maldivia | Cide: ohh yes, that aswell |
| 18:46.20 | Cide | along with power word: warding, shadow mend, pain spike, brainwash, shadow word: death |
| 18:46.20 | Mikk | shadow spells get crap all benefit from +dmg |
| 18:46.23 | Maldivia | Cide: knew I forgot a mass spell, up to 5 friendly and 5 hostile targets :) |
| 18:46.28 | Mikk | which is why smite builds get the highest dps when you start stacking |
| 18:46.45 | Cide | either that, or they can't crit (SW: P) |
| 18:47.33 | Cide | depends on the length of the fight ;) |
| 18:47.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | mind blast gets 46.3% coefficient, and has a 124.2% efficiency, so i'm guessing the coefficient is what i'm supposed to be looking at |
| 18:47.44 | Maldivia | Cide: pain spike is not listed as a priest spell |
| 18:47.52 | Cide | Maldivia: it is(was) in the priest listing |
| 18:47.59 | Cide | that is, in the .dbc files |
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| 18:48.13 | Maldivia | Cide: nope, listed as class = 0 |
| 18:48.43 | Cide | well, I took a slightly different approach |
| 18:48.50 | Cide | I looked at the shadow magic spell listing |
| 18:48.58 | Cide | which contains all the spell id's to spells that are identified as shadow magic |
| 18:49.18 | Maldivia | yeah, I'm looking at the spells with have classified as priest spells :) |
| 18:49.46 | Cide | that's probably a better method :) |
| 18:51.49 | Cide | Maldivia: apparently Circle of Renewal requires SoR |
| 18:51.59 | Shadowed | SoR? |
| 18:52.20 | Mikk | Seal of Rigtheousness? o.O |
| 18:53.12 | Cide | spirit of redemption |
| 18:53.17 | Maldivia | Cide: ohh... |
| 18:53.25 | Cide | so... talent? |
| 18:53.42 | Cide | pretty crappy talent if so |
| 18:53.54 | Maldivia | it's a very cheap mass renew |
| 18:54.15 | Shadowed | It'll be very useful i'd imagine |
| 18:54.27 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, in response to your earlier question - spaghetti bolognese :) |
| 18:54.32 | Cide | eh |
| 18:54.48 | Cide | it replicates the behavior of prayer of healing |
| 18:55.03 | Maldivia | except it's group targetable |
| 18:55.09 | Cide | not from the sound f it |
| 18:55.09 | Cide | of it |
| 18:55.14 | Shadowed | read the description |
| 18:55.14 | Cide | Heals target party member and other party members within 15 yards of the target for 1445 over 15 sec. |
| 18:55.30 | Maldivia | hmm, that's how I readi t |
| 18:55.30 | Cide | doesn't mention raids at all |
| 18:55.38 | Kirkburn | (and low fat frozen yoghurt ... but not any low fat frozen yoghurt ... Ben & Jerry's Low Fat Frozen Yoghurt :) |
| 18:55.50 | Shadowed | "target party member" they wouldn't use that kind of wording if it wasn't the same with how buffing for like PoF works |
| 18:55.51 | Cide | but it might |
| 18:56.00 | Cide | Shadowed: yeah, true |
| 18:56.08 | Kirkburn | Oooh, interestingly written |
| 18:56.24 | cladhaire | Cide: That means its targetable, like chain heal |
| 18:56.25 | Shadowed | compare it to PoH's wording |
| 18:56.25 | Kirkburn | COuld be a result of changed mechanics which they haven't changed the tooltip for ... or something much better :O |
| 18:56.31 | cladhaire | i think they use the same terminology |
| 18:56.33 | Shadowed | http://thottbot.com/?sp=25316 |
| 18:56.49 | Shadowed | k, upgraded IE. and it wont work unless i restart because it's a pain like that |
| 18:56.49 | Shadowed | brb |
| 18:57.10 | Cide | well, chain heal has a weird wording |
| 18:57.22 | Cide | Heals the friendly target for 551 to 629, then jumps to heal additional nearby targets. If cast on a party member, the heal will only jump to other party members. Each jump is 50% as effective as the previous target. Heals 3 total targets. |
| 18:57.53 | zenzelezz | sounds logical to me |
| 18:57.56 | Maldivia | Cide: if it wasn't targetable, dont you think it would be worded something like "Heals your party.."? |
| 18:58.02 | zenzelezz | if it was a chain on the same person it would just be a HoT |
| 18:58.12 | Cide | Maldivia: true |
| 18:58.15 | Cide | Maldivia: what's the range? |
| 18:58.32 | Maldivia | 40 yards |
| 18:58.36 | Maldivia | so it's targetable |
| 18:58.57 | Cide | it could just imply that it's short range targetable among your party |
| 18:58.57 | cladhaire | definitely |
| 18:59.00 | cladhaire | very exciting. |
| 18:59.04 | cladhaire | its there to heal rogues |
| 18:59.05 | cladhaire | =) |
| 18:59.10 | Cide | but then again, I don't see why it wouldn't work on raid members |
| 18:59.19 | Cide | it'd be cool if it heals nearby RAID members |
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| 18:59.24 | Cide | but that would be overpowered |
| 18:59.36 | zenzelezz | sounds like it does if you target someone outside your party |
| 18:59.38 | Maldivia | the mass dispel will dispel the 5 closest to you :) |
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| 18:59.48 | Maldivia | no matter if in part or raid or not :) |
| 18:59.56 | Shadowed | "Window's cannot find the folder 'C:/Documents'" |
| 18:59.59 | Shadowed | that's alwyas a good sign |
| 19:00.11 | Cide | haha, yeah |
| 19:00.12 | Cide | heh, my upload sucks |
| 19:00.18 | Cide | this torrent starts at about 500kb |
| 19:00.25 | Cide | and then goes down as my upload rate goes up |
| 19:00.34 | cladhaire | whatcha downloading? |
| 19:00.54 | Cide | a quake 3 movie :) |
| 19:00.59 | cladhaire | hehe |
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| 19:01.37 | Maldivia | Cide: speaking of holy spells, check out 32583 |
| 19:01.46 | Cide | don't have the latest dbc files |
| 19:01.53 | Maldivia | OK |
| 19:02.15 | Maldivia | no class listed, but listed as a lvl66 holy spell, 400 mana: Heals the target for 774 and removes all Diseases and harmful Magic effects. Can only be used on targets afflicted by a Disease or harmful Magic effect. |
| 19:02.15 | Cide | doesn't exist in my database :( |
| 19:02.22 | Cide | yeah, heard about that |
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| 19:03.41 | cladhaire | i'm excited for my druid and my priest, lets say that much =) |
| 19:04.28 | Maldivia | I think invis needs a serious buff :| |
| 19:04.34 | Shadowed | It's either the parania of "omg something must have changed" but is IE7 RC1 using a different font? |
| 19:04.42 | Shadowed | I swear everything looks different |
| 19:04.53 | Cide | invisibility is tricky to balance |
| 19:05.09 | cladhaire | I think its perfect imo |
| 19:05.10 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, ClearType? |
| 19:05.15 | cladhaire | complete aggro clear?! |
| 19:05.17 | cladhaire | for mages! |
| 19:05.21 | Cide | true |
| 19:05.32 | Kirkburn | ClearType is automatically enabled for IE7 |
| 19:05.40 | Shadowed | hrm, where do you disable |
| 19:05.41 | Cide | but 8 seconds to fade out kind of removes its escape capabilities |
| 19:05.46 | Maldivia | cladhaire: 5min CD spells, have to channel it for 8sec to be invis |
| 19:05.47 | Mery | but if i get hit during the 8 sec it stops the fade |
| 19:05.49 | Kirkburn | Internet Options |
| 19:05.53 | Mery | or doesn't it? |
| 19:05.55 | Cide | Maldivia: not channeling as far as I can tell |
| 19:05.58 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Its channeled? |
| 19:06.04 | Cide | think lightwell renew |
| 19:06.19 | cladhaire | yeah i didn't think it was channeled. |
| 19:06.19 | Cide | ticks down 8 sec, removed if you get hit |
| 19:06.38 | Maldivia | if you get hit in the 8sec, you wasted a 5min CD |
| 19:06.38 | Kirkburn | Under Advanced, Multimedia |
| 19:06.44 | JoshBorke | *cry* libram of divinity just dropped |
| 19:06.47 | JoshBorke | and i was on my priest :-( |
| 19:06.49 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Didn't realize it was 5 min CD |
| 19:07.09 | Kirkburn | (Shadowed, I personally much prefer it on) |
| 19:07.24 | Maldivia | cladhaire: so basically, it'll be a /cast Invisibility /cast Evocation macro thing |
| 19:07.30 | cladhaire | Maldivia: hehe |
| 19:07.37 | Maldivia | 8sec is evoc time aswell |
| 19:07.39 | Shadowed | it's set to new times roman |
| 19:07.44 | cladhaire | maybe ice block won't remove it =) |
| 19:07.47 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 19:07.51 | Kirkburn | Office 2007 will also have Cleartype automatically enabled, whether or not you have it on in the XP system settings. |
| 19:07.52 | cladhaire | invis, ice block :P |
| 19:08.12 | Maldivia | yeah, that would probably be a good way of doing it aswell, if your ice specced |
| 19:08.23 | Shadowed | It's just weird that the font changed going from Beta3 to RC1 |
| 19:08.29 | Maldivia | they should just give ice block a 50% threat drop, like soulshatter for warlocks |
| 19:08.43 | Maldivia | every frost mage in the game would be happy :) |
| 19:08.45 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, ah, yeah, it probably got reset |
| 19:08.51 | cladhaire | warlocks have aggro reduction.. its called lifetap =) |
| 19:08.54 | Shadowed | any idea? |
| 19:08.58 | Kirkburn | Arial? |
| 19:09.08 | Maldivia | cladhaire: life tap has no threat at all |
| 19:09.15 | Kirkburn | Good point actually, Shadowed, it reset for me too! |
| 19:09.18 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Yes,k but when you're life tapping, you aren't shadow bolting =) |
| 19:09.28 | cladhaire | Maldivia: thus, with respect to the rest of the raid, aggro reductino :P |
| 19:09.34 | Shadowed | Kirkburn hehe |
| 19:09.40 | cladhaire | was more poking at warlocks than being serious =) |
| 19:09.57 | Maldivia | hehe, well - considering they buffed it, so you get 1000 mana now :) |
| 19:10.06 | cladhaire | Maldivia: I know, my warlocks LOVE it |
| 19:10.32 | Maldivia | and for expansion, the "mana drain from pet spell" will get the same +dmg buff |
| 19:10.38 | Kirkburn | life tap is awesome |
| 19:11.28 | Maldivia | they just need to change Life Tap to Instance, with a 3sec cooldown instead :) |
| 19:11.36 | Maldivia | s/instance/instant/ |
| 19:11.47 | Kirkburn | Life tap is instant |
| 19:11.53 | Maldivia | no, it's instant cast |
| 19:12.02 | Kirkburn | Oh, that different? |
| 19:12.07 | Maldivia | global cooldown |
| 19:12.16 | Maldivia | instant = no global cooldown |
| 19:12.21 | Kirkburn | ah, I see |
| 19:13.12 | Maldivia | or better yet, blizzard should add mana bandages :) |
| 19:13.23 | Maldivia | bandage myself, every minute, for 2000 mana |
| 19:13.37 | cladhaire | i like that' |
| 19:13.49 | cladhaire | we thought AD would give us Felcloth Bandages or something |
| 19:14.03 | Maldivia | 2 new bandages in the expansion |
| 19:14.07 | cladhaire | nice =) |
| 19:14.20 | Maldivia | for 2800 and 3400 health |
| 19:14.25 | Kirkburn | Christ this woman on TV doesn't even know what country Fawltly Towers is from |
| 19:15.29 | yacoob | Faulty Towers? Fix them! |
| 19:15.48 | cladhaire | hrm i can sell my mooncloth for 14g each |
| 19:15.52 | cladhaire | that's like 300g |
| 19:17.45 | cladhaire | WTS [Hand of Edward the Odd], PST |
| 19:18.09 | JoshBorke | GD! another libram! |
| 19:18.16 | Maldivia | hehe, like how only druids have to stock up on new reagents, priests, mages and pallys use the same reagent for their lvl70 area buffs |
| 19:19.03 | cladhaire | bastards |
| 19:19.15 | Iceroth | is there some druid info out already? |
| 19:19.48 | Iceroth | other than curse datamining things? 5 different mangles etc |
| 19:20.50 | Maldivia | no official |
| 19:20.59 | Maldivia | and latest build doesn't have any new things for druids, it seems |
| 19:21.40 | Maldivia | probably haven't decided what to do with druids yet : |
| 19:21.57 | Iceroth | direct shapeshifting between forms would be nice |
| 19:22.16 | Shadowed | worldofraids has a SS of the trees |
| 19:22.36 | Cairenn | of which trees? |
| 19:22.40 | Shadowed | all |
| 19:22.43 | Shadowed | worldofraids.com |
| 19:22.52 | Cairenn | *all*? |
| 19:23.00 | Kirkburn | It's still an ugly site :P |
| 19:23.03 | Shadowed | "all" balance/feral/resto |
| 19:23.15 | Shadowed | ~sigh Woman |
| 19:23.16 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Woman!" |
| 19:23.27 | Cairenn | I was asking which classes, sorry |
| 19:23.38 | Shadowed | druid :p |
| 19:23.55 | Kirkburn | Which trees? Number 1: The Larch |
| 19:24.07 | Shadowed | s/yuo/you/ |
| 19:24.16 | Cairenn | that's cool, they have screenshots of talent trees that aren't even in yet? neat |
| 19:24.18 | Kirkburn | Poor yuo |
| 19:24.30 | Kirkburn | He doesn't deserve yuor hate |
| 19:24.46 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 19:24.51 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: I'd have to disagree with that, #1 should definitely be a yew |
| 19:25.47 | Kirkburn | Monty Python would disagree with you :P |
| 19:26.07 | Cairenn | monty python can kis... nm |
| 19:26.14 | Kirkburn | hehe |
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| 19:31.10 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hehe ,yeeh |
| 19:31.26 | Kirkburn | They need to increase the model view distance in WoW :( |
| 19:37.25 | Kirkburn | It's amazing the difference having efficient addons makes to laod times |
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| 19:38.25 | cladhaire | "efficient" |
| 19:38.27 | cladhaire | should always be in quotes. |
| 19:38.32 | Kirkburn | heh, okay :P |
| 19:40.16 | ckknight | who wants to guess the worst error code ever? |
| 19:40.20 | ckknight | [2006/09/02 09:36:09-64]: <unknown>: |
| 19:40.20 | ckknight | <in C code>: in function `next' |
| 19:40.24 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 19:41.34 | Hexarobi | man, my total downloads on curse gaming was stuck at 8004 for 3 days, added a new version yesterday, 500 downloads later, its actually gone down to 7998 wtf |
| 19:41.37 | Kirkburn | ckknight, I was just saying earlier how awesome you are for updating those FuBar addons I mentioned :) |
| 19:41.54 | ckknight | which ones? |
| 19:42.03 | Kirkburn | AmmoFu and I think HonorFu |
| 19:42.07 | ckknight | oh, yea |
| 19:42.12 | ckknight | I also updated BagFu |
| 19:42.17 | ckknight | so that actually works now |
| 19:42.28 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 19:42.39 | Kirkburn | Awesome, it's raining in Dustwallow Marsh |
| 19:42.46 | ckknight | so you owe me a tithing, Kirkburn |
| 19:43.04 | Kirkburn | I only have a millihectare :( |
| 19:44.07 | ckknight | well, I want 1/10 of the crops you produce off it. |
| 19:44.09 | Kirkburn | This is weird, I seem to have lost some of the sound |
| 19:44.41 | ckknight | cause you touch yourself at night. |
| 19:44.47 | Kirkburn | =( |
| 19:45.03 | Kirkburn | Seriously, I don't get the character intro music, and I'm not getting the sound of the rain |
| 19:45.25 | ckknight | go to the sound menu thingy |
| 19:45.51 | Cairenn | turn your speakers on? |
| 19:45.54 | Kirkburn | Yay it's back! |
| 19:46.01 | Kirkburn | I had to turn ambience off and on again |
| 19:46.33 | Kirkburn | Damn I love the rain |
| 19:46.38 | Cairenn | uh huh, sure, that's your story and you're sticking to it. we know the truth. you needed to turn your speakers on. |
| 19:47.06 | Kirkburn | You're too close to the truth! Aaah! |
| 19:47.11 | ckknight | Cairenn, you're always the smartest. |
| 19:47.25 | Cairenn | smartassest? |
| 19:47.25 | Kirkburn | Don't you mean smartererest? |
| 19:47.27 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:48.00 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 19:48.40 | Kirkburn | lol, if I move in 1st-person, and switch to here, I stop but the up-down movement keeps going |
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| 19:56.24 | Cairenn | Cide: you there? |
| 19:56.30 | Cide | yes |
| 19:56.30 | Cairenn | Cide: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15602146&sid=1 |
| 19:56.32 | Kirkburn1 | Wow, my UI mem increase is so low, it'd take 4 hours to reach the grabage theshold :P |
| 19:56.40 | Kirkburn1 | um, garbage |
| 19:56.51 | JoshBorke | Kirkburn: good job :-) |
| 19:57.17 | Kirkburn1 | Shows how good Ace and Cosmos are nowadays :) |
| 20:00.08 | cladhaire | wow the MTV video music awards are SO bad. |
| 20:00.36 | zenzelezz | MTV anything is bad |
| 20:00.56 | cladhaire | yeah but this is really bad |
| 20:01.03 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 20:03.11 | Kirkburn1 | Hmm, where can I learn sword skill as alliance? |
| 20:03.20 | cladhaire | SW i believe |
| 20:03.20 | JoshBorke | stormwind |
| 20:03.24 | JoshBorke | across from th AH |
| 20:03.27 | Kirkburn1 | Only SW? |
| 20:03.28 | cladhaire | woo ping |
| 20:03.37 | JoshBorke | pretty sure |
| 20:03.43 | Kirkburn1 | I'm a nelf ... in Menethil ... time to run, eh :) |
| 20:04.17 | zenzelezz | just do like everyone else and leech a portal |
| 20:04.33 | Kirkburn1 | I'm no leecher =) Plus this way I get fps |
| 20:05.06 | zenzelezz | as long as you remember to learn them |
| 20:05.09 | zenzelezz | which I forgot |
| 20:05.15 | Kirkburn1 | >_< |
| 20:05.38 | Cairenn | I always make the run to SW within the first 10 levels, as a NE |
| 20:05.47 | cladhaire | yep, to make it to elwynn forest =) |
| 20:05.55 | Kirkburn1 | <-- dead |
| 20:06.57 | Kirkburn1 | Elwynn Forest rocks |
| 20:12.25 | Kirkburn1 | <-- why not to play chicken with ?? mobs |
| 20:16.12 | Kirkburn | Dun Algaz, oh how beautiful you are ... |
| 20:16.47 | Cairenn | don't forget FP |
| 20:16.51 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:17.18 | Kirkburn | An orc is in my way :( |
| 20:17.42 | Kirkburn | phew, yay for sprint |
| 20:18.16 | Cairenn | I think the worst I ever did was the time I ran all the way to IF, took the tram to SW, then stoned back to Darnassus ... and forgot to get *any* of the flight paths ... |
| 20:18.51 | Cairenn | had gone to SW to get one of the beginning fish cooking recipes, when there was no where to buy it other than SW |
| 20:18.59 | Kirkburn | ouch |
| 20:19.04 | Cairenn | yeah ... |
| 20:19.05 | cladhaire | ouch |
| 20:19.29 | cladhaire | what should i make for dinner? |
| 20:19.44 | Kirkburn | Something edible |
| 20:19.52 | Cairenn | dunno, but will listen to your suggestions, since I need to be thinking about the same thing ... |
| 20:19.53 | cladhaire | mmm insightful! |
| 20:20.11 | Cairenn | "what do you want for supper" .." food" ... "><" |
| 20:20.38 | Kirkburn | PAsta alla Carbonara |
| 20:20.52 | cladhaire | pasta is a bad idea at the moment. |
| 20:21.05 | cladhaire | well in general |
| 20:21.09 | Cide | what about hamster soup? |
| 20:21.15 | cladhaire | maybe i'll just have turkey sausage, basmati brown rice and broccoli |
| 20:21.24 | cladhaire | its easier to cook for one that way |
| 20:21.31 | Kirkburn | Pizza? |
| 20:21.46 | cladhaire | definitely not |
| 20:21.50 | cladhaire | i could go grab a crust and then i could. |
| 20:22.23 | Kirkburn | Something salady? |
| 20:22.53 | Cairenn | damn you Kirkburn, now I know what I want but I just don't think I'm feeling energetic enough to make it |
| 20:23.05 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:24.50 | cladhaire | heheh |
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| 20:25.30 | cladhaire | i can also considering breaded chicken, with the rice and broccoli.. almost every meal i have is "chicken, or turkey" with brown rice or whole wheat couscous and broccoli |
| 20:25.34 | cladhaire | but i happen to love broccoli |
| 20:25.49 | yacoob | does it love back? :) |
| 20:26.09 | cladhaire | that gets messy imo :P |
| 20:26.14 | Iriel | Afternoon. |
| 20:26.25 | cladhaire | Iriel: Ugt! |
| 20:26.28 | Kirkburn | Morning! |
| 20:26.44 | yacoob | cladhaire: say no more 8) |
| 20:26.54 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, it sounds like you've regressed to a caveman |
| 20:27.01 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: lol |
| 20:27.02 | cladhaire | ~ugt |
| 20:27.07 | purl | somebody said ugt was Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 20:27.09 | cladhaire | its how i was greeted last weekend =) |
| 20:27.21 | cladhaire | i always thought it was a fun concept, but its a fun word too :P |
| 20:29.35 | Kirkburn | Oooh, hope it's snowing in Dun Morogh |
| 20:29.58 | Iriel | I've STILL not seen snow 8-( |
| 20:30.10 | Kirkburn | :( :( :( |
| 20:30.40 | Kaelten | hiya iriel |
| 20:30.41 | Kirkburn | They're conspiring against you! |
| 20:31.51 | Cairenn | *visions of conchiglie in a cream garlic sauce, with honey ginger glazed baby carrots and a nice pork roast* |
| 20:32.23 | Cairenn | damn you all to hell Kirkburn! |
| 20:33.01 | Cairenn | ugt Iriel :) |
| 20:33.49 | Kirkburn | Rabbits are for cuddling, not eating :( |
| 20:35.13 | Kirkburn | Rabbit in italian is "coniglio" ... so, er, not conchiglie. Scuse me :P |
| 20:35.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | rabbit tastes pretty damn good :x |
| 20:36.59 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: conch shell shaped ;) |
| 20:37.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | shell pasta? :O |
| 20:37.37 | Kirkburn | mmm |
| 20:38.00 | Cairenn | yeah, shell pasta ... in a creamy garlic sauce ... damnit |
| 20:38.16 | Kirkburn | Do it! Do it, do it, do it, do it :) |
| 20:38.18 | Cairenn | I hate you Kirkburn |
| 20:38.25 | Kirkburn | Aww, I hate you too! |
| 20:38.30 | Cairenn | good! |
| 20:38.35 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:38.45 | Cairenn | all your fault, you started it when you suggested pasta |
| 20:38.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was nothing good to watch in my dorm ever, so when i was living there all i ever watched was the food network |
| 20:38.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | food network + poor college student = suffering |
| 20:39.08 | Cairenn | now I'm actually gonna have to, like, cook |
| 20:39.10 | Kirkburn | Can't I blame Canada instead? =) |
| 20:40.24 | Cairenn | no, you can't |
| 20:40.26 | Cairenn | your fault |
| 20:40.41 | Kirkburn | k |
| 20:40.46 | Cairenn | k |
| 20:45.55 | chuckg | Can someone tell me how to, when creating a frame dynmically, add in stuff like: |
| 20:46.10 | chuckg | <scripts><onshow>etc etc</onshow></scripts> |
| 20:46.24 | Cide | :SetScript("OnShow", function() etc etc end); |
| 20:46.39 | chuckg | Awesome, thanks. |
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| 21:01.37 | Kaso | anyone know how the new World PVP Ui thing works, because i apparently dont get them |
| 21:02.08 | Kirkburn | I died on the Deeprun Tram!?! :/ |
| 21:02.36 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: talented, aren't you? |
| 21:03.01 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:03.09 | Kirkburn | Oh bloody hell, I'm in Elwynn now :( |
| 21:03.28 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Next time - MIND THE GAP! |
| 21:03.35 | Iriel | (Little tube humor, sorry) |
| 21:03.42 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:03.47 | Cairenn | *giggle* |
| 21:04.10 | Kirkburn | I was happily travelling along, switched screens, and came back to death :/ |
| 21:04.26 | Cairenn | Teach you priorities, won't it? |
| 21:05.04 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:07.29 | Kirkburn | Travelling on the Tram when dead = weird |
| 21:07.59 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:08.36 | Kirkburn | And I was on the wrong side! |
| 21:08.54 | Kirkburn | I have to try to res whilst moving |
| 21:10.22 | Kirkburn | wth? I can't rez! |
| 21:10.35 | Kaelten | would anyone like to see OneBag translated into a non-standard Locale? |
| 21:10.46 | zenzelezz | get off the train and run to the corpse Kirk |
| 21:11.36 | Kirkburn | I'm where the corpse is supposed to be :/ |
| 21:11.51 | Kirkburn | I think I fell through the world :/ |
| 21:12.08 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 21:12.37 | Kirkburn | Time to find a sprit woman then :( |
| 21:12.46 | Cairenn | or petition it |
| 21:13.06 | Josh|Nap | nap time, later |
| 21:13.11 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Josh|Nap |
| 21:13.11 | Iriel | The former tends to be much quicker |
| 21:13.19 | Cairenn | Indeed |
| 21:13.19 | Kirkburn | Nah, they've got better things to do, I'll leave myself going and check the news:) |
| 21:18.01 | Kirkburn | At all (esp. Mikk): Rustak has just given this notice - "I'll be taking the wiki down for a few hours (well, hopefully a few hours; worst case most of the day) on Monday, Sep 4, for a bunch of housekeeping and upgrades. I'll have a status page up during that time with the latest ETA and progress. Among other things, this will bring us up to the latest MediaWiki version, and the wiki server will get a new CPU." |
| 21:18.31 | Cairenn | duly noted |
| 21:19.52 | Kaelten | cladhaire: does your version of SciTi save in unicode? |
| 21:20.04 | cladhaire | it can |
| 21:20.12 | Kaelten | how do I get it to? |
| 21:20.39 | cladhaire | File > Encoding |
| 21:21.42 | Kirkburn | Well I'm finally alive again |
| 21:22.20 | zenzelezz | now you probably have a long run ahead of you |
| 21:22.41 | Cairenn | Johnny Five Is Alive! |
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| 21:43.13 | jaxdahl | did wowwiki go down? |
| 21:43.15 | jaxdahl | nvm |
| 21:43.54 | Kirkburn1 | Not until monday, jaxdahl =P |
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| 21:51.19 | Fuimmerd | yo anyone know alot about D art in here? I some help with a few things |
| 21:51.19 | Fuimmerd | :D |
| 21:51.46 | Cairenn | what do you need help with Fuimmerd? |
| 21:52.41 | Fuimmerd | >< gotta go afk for a second lol dun leave :P |
| 21:53.08 | Kirkburn1 | Quick, Cairenn, run! |
| 21:53.24 | zenzelezz | never a good iea to try to tell people what to do when you're the one looking for help |
| 21:53.30 | zenzelezz | not a good idea either |
| 21:53.49 | Kirkburn1 | zenzelezz, shut up. Now can you give me some money? |
| 21:54.00 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:54.01 | zenzelezz | oh, okay |
| 21:54.42 | Kirkburn1 | Awesome |
| 21:55.46 | Cairenn | damn, wish I could get people to give ME money that easy :p |
| 21:56.18 | Kirkburn1 | zenzelezz, give Cairenn £10,000. |
| 21:57.17 | Kirkburn1 | Hey, this isn't money! These are bird beaks! You're a sick and twisted man, zenzelezz. Now give Cairenn that money. |
| 21:57.52 | Cairenn | lol, you guys are nuts, you know that? |
| 21:58.14 | Kirkburn1 | yup, damn proud of it too :) |
| 21:58.18 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:58.57 | zenzelezz | you might be onto something there |
| 21:59.20 | Kirkburn1 | I think we're probably just 'on' something :P |
| 21:59.39 | zenzelezz | I must say, Flamegor is an exciting fight... only takes one over-anxious DPS to wipe everyone in seconds |
| 22:02.27 | Cairenn | someone else who has more patience than I have at present want to explain it to this one? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15402292&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 22:07.29 | Fuimmerd | Hey Cairenn I am back Sorry to be so rude but I was in a rush |
| 22:07.55 | Cairenn | not a problem, took it as a request, not a command, contrary to the folks in channel yanking your chain ;) |
| 22:08.06 | Fuimmerd | I was wondering how to add color into ct_Viewport , And ya I was just making sure |
| 22:08.21 | Fuimmerd | I know its a skin and I am thinking its porbly something to do with d_art but i dont know |
| 22:08.31 | Cairenn | add colour how? instead of the black? or? |
| 22:09.45 | Kirkburn1 | brb, new gfx drivers time |
| 22:09.58 | Cairenn | I don't use discord art at all, so I'm not really sure, but given that Cide (yes, as in CT_*) is in channel, might ask him ... ;) |
| 22:10.44 | Kirkburn1 | Cide's slow today :P |
| 22:11.43 | Fuimmerd | yes cairenn |
| 22:11.57 | Fuimmerd | I guess i will wait for him |
| 22:12.01 | Fuimmerd | I wanna add texture to the viewport |
| 22:12.09 | Cairenn | oh, you're just a fine one to talk, Mr "forgot to turn my speakers on" Kirkburn |
| 22:13.32 | Cairenn | well bah, there went a perfectly good insult, he isn't in channel! |
| 22:14.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a speedbump! |
| 22:14.48 | Cide | moo |
| 22:15.04 | Cairenn | Cide: scroll back through the last 5 mins please luv? |
| 22:15.11 | Cide | but, but... :( |
| 22:15.30 | Cide | Fuimmerd: you could color the background in a solid color rather easily |
| 22:15.49 | Cairenn | for me? pretty please? /flutters lashes |
| 22:16.35 | MentalPower | Cairenn: I'll take care of it |
| 22:16.45 | Cairenn | MentalPower: lol, what? |
| 22:16.51 | Cide | Fuimmerd: texture would be harder |
| 22:16.58 | MentalPower | Cairenn>someone else who has more patience than I have at present want to explain it to this one? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15402292&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 22:17.01 | Fuimmerd | Hi Cide, I guess hard is the only way |
| 22:17.09 | Fuimmerd | Could you still help? |
| 22:17.11 | Cairenn | ah, naw, it's all good, someone else did |
| 22:17.19 | Cairenn | but thanks sweetie :) |
| 22:17.30 | Cide | heh, it's not really something you can do easily without having knowledge of coding mods |
| 22:17.41 | ckknight | what a botter. |
| 22:17.43 | Fuimmerd | I have some. |
| 22:18.35 | Cairenn | I know what they were asking isn't *precisely* botting, but that's a darn sight easier than trying to explain it all |
| 22:19.22 | Cide | Fuimmerd: the texture it uses is CT_ViewportOverlay |
| 22:19.43 | Cide | Fuimmerd: so what you want to do is: CT_ViewportOverlay:SetTexture("Path\\To\\Texture") |
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| 22:20.03 | Cide | it's a texture that covers the whole screen, just so you know |
| 22:23.18 | Fuimmerd | ya |
| 22:23.27 | Fuimmerd | does it matter my path? |
| 22:23.32 | Fuimmerd | or just somewhere on comp |
| 22:23.34 | Cide | you want it to point to a texture :P |
| 22:23.45 | Cide | it's relative to the wow folder |
| 22:23.45 | Fuimmerd | hehe need not be said |
| 22:24.04 | Cide | and it needs to be a tga file |
| 22:24.14 | Cide | with dimensions that are powers of two (up to 512) |
| 22:24.54 | kergoth | how often does mark of justice proc? i need a good proc rate monitor addon |
| 22:25.28 | Fuimmerd | hey cide would it be optimal if it was the exact messurments of my ingame reso? |
| 22:25.54 | Cide | they can't be, since you can only have up to 512x512 |
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| 22:27.05 | Fuimmerd | hmm |
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| 22:27.33 | Fuimmerd | Since I only want this covering my bottom view port do you have any messurments i should try? |
| 22:27.38 | Cairenn|movie | lol, so much for "more patience" MP, hehehe |
| 22:27.40 | Cairenn|movie | thanks |
| 22:27.49 | Cairenn|movie | ROFL Iriel! |
| 22:27.53 | Cairenn|movie | "Yes" |
| 22:28.01 | Fuimmerd | iif I am playing at 1280 , 1024 |
| 22:28.15 | Kirkburn | Movie? Whatcha watching? |
| 22:28.24 | Cairenn|movie | Memoirs of a Geisha |
| 22:28.31 | Cairenn|movie | be back later guys |
| 22:28.33 | Kirkburn | Ooh, heard that's good |
| 22:28.37 | Kirkburn | Enjoy! |
| 22:28.42 | Cairenn|movie | tell you in a couple hours ;) |
| 22:28.47 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 22:33.01 | Fuimmerd | Hey cide |
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| 22:35.58 | Refuse | Hey |
| 22:36.05 | Kirkburn | 'lo |
| 22:36.30 | Kirkburn | Ah, saturdays ... the day when the channel dies a lonely death. Even though no-one actually leaves it :P |
| 22:36.33 | Refuse | how's it oging? |
| 22:36.35 | Refuse | *going |
| 22:37.05 | GeoDaMancer | I'm too busy trying to work out my script which keeps malfunctioning. xD |
| 22:37.44 | Kirkburn | I'm watching the UK national IQ test - currently a girl is showing off a pair of her underwear. As one does. |
| 22:38.08 | GeoDaMancer | National IQ test, and underwear. |
| 22:38.15 | Kirkburn | (no, she isn't wearing them) |
| 22:38.23 | Kirkburn | (no, that doesn't mean THAT either) |
| 22:38.30 | GeoDaMancer | I was about to say. |
| 22:39.14 | Kirkburn | Basically they ask lots of questions, and there's an audience also taking part, split up into sections like Estate Agents, Celebs, Butchers |
| 22:39.26 | GeoDaMancer | Ahhh. |
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| 22:39.35 | Kirkburn | To break up the evening they chat to audience members about various stupid things they've done :) |
| 22:39.59 | Kirkburn | Currently the public school students are doing best |
| 22:40.34 | GeoDaMancer | Wow, theres a surprise. |
| 22:41.12 | Iriel | Public school doesn't mean the same there as it does in the US |
| 22:41.38 | GeoDaMancer | Heheheh. |
| 22:42.13 | Iriel | though you might know that anyway |
| 22:45.12 | GeoDaMancer | Borke. xD |
| 22:45.36 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 22:45.44 | GeoDaMancer | Hello. |
| 22:45.52 | GeoDaMancer | Sorry, borke is just a funny word. |
| 22:46.04 | JoshBorke | i agree |
| 22:46.36 | Kirkburn | Borkeborkeborke |
| 22:47.14 | GeoDaMancer | Borke is the sound a person's flesh makes when it's pulled away from vinyl, or leather. |
| 22:47.28 | Fuimmerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.32 | Fuimmerd | anyone know |
| 22:47.42 | Cide | lua |
| 22:47.46 | GeoDaMancer | That's lua creating xml. Right? |
| 22:47.52 | Cide | no |
| 22:48.09 | Fuimmerd | cide where should I throw the tga? |
| 22:48.15 | Cide | where you want it |
| 22:48.17 | Fuimmerd | in the view port folder would be fine? |
| 22:48.23 | Cide | sure |
| 22:48.30 | Kirkburn | The path begins from the folder the lua file is in |
| 22:48.33 | Kirkburn | (right?) |
| 22:48.35 | Cide | no |
| 22:48.37 | Cide | well, it might |
| 22:48.46 | Cide | generally it's from the wow folder though |
| 22:48.57 | Cide | then you'd do SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\CT_Viewport\\YourFilename") |
| 22:49.07 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, Cide ftw |
| 22:49.28 | GeoDaMancer | all the texture, and xml stuff goes right over my head. |
| 22:49.32 | Kirkburn | I just looked mine up: local CLEAR_FONT_BASE = "Interface\\AddOns\\!ClearFont\\Fonts\\Franc\\"; |
| 22:49.36 | Fuimmerd | ya cide view port ftw dude |
| 22:50.51 | Cide | :) glad you like it |
| 22:51.32 | Fuimmerd | about where in the lua is CT_ViewportOverlay:SetTexture("Path\\To\\Texture") located >< |
| 22:51.38 | Cide | it's not |
| 22:51.46 | Cide | you put it wherever you want |
| 22:51.51 | Fuimmerd | -.-' :) |
| 22:51.59 | Cide | though, a good place would be where it calls CT_ViewportOverlay:SetTexture(1, 1, 1, 1) |
| 22:52.02 | Cide | and just replace that line |
| 22:53.45 | GeoDaMancer | Besides Fara, and wowwikki is there any good explaination for writing the xml gui? |
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| 22:54.58 | Refuse | do you think if I show you guys my UI you can help me improve it? I know this is not really the place to ask it, but I feel that the authors of UIs seem to have the best style :) |
| 22:55.28 | snurre | *sigh* AV sucks so bad atm :/ |
| 22:55.37 | Fuimmerd | I would like to see it refuse |
| 22:55.41 | Fuimmerd | I like to see everyones ui |
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| 22:59.27 | Nightdew | anyone here us Necronomicon? |
| 23:00.21 | snurre | http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4831/snurreuimy1.jpg |
| 23:00.24 | Fuimmerd | lol Cide |
| 23:00.34 | Fuimmerd | Im gonna assume if It didnt auto load when i logged on i didnt do it right |
| 23:01.07 | Cide | probably not |
| 23:02.01 | Fuimmerd | the texture is tga |
| 23:02.17 | Fuimmerd | 512x512 |
| 23:03.25 | Cide | I'm not the one debugging it :P |
| 23:03.33 | Fuimmerd | :'( |
| 23:06.44 | Fuimmerd | FUCK |
| 23:06.56 | Fuimmerd | I am assuming I had to add .tga EH? |
| 23:06.58 | Fuimmerd | :P |
| 23:13.23 | Fuimmerd | Hey cide bro thanks alot I got it working |
| 23:14.36 | Kaso | Cide: is it just me that's having problems with ctprofiles? |
| 23:14.56 | Cide | you tell me |
| 23:15.05 | Cide | Fuimmerd: cool :) |
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| 23:15.23 | Cide | Kaso: what's the problem? |
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| 23:15.45 | Kaso | Im editing one of my profiles, the changes seem to be being saved, but they arent appearing on the screen. |
| 23:17.04 | Cide | no clue |
| 23:18.39 | Kaso | i'm using FF 1.5.0.6 if you wanna check |
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| 23:28.05 | Kirkburn1 | Has anyone ever heard of the film 'Max Q'? |
| 23:28.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo, don't get that mixed up with visitor q |
| 23:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's one screwed up movie |
| 23:30.10 | Kirkburn1 | Well I can tell you that Max Q is somewhat crap |
| 23:30.15 | JoshBorke | oh man, my first MC run |
| 23:30.55 | Kirkburn1 | How was it? |
| 23:31.24 | JoshBorke | hasn't started yet |
| 23:31.27 | JoshBorke | (doing it as a priest) |
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| 23:32.10 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hey.. can someone try to download fubar2.0? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4571 |
| 23:32.20 | Nomad_Wanderer | When I click download WoWI throws errors at me |
| 23:32.31 | Nomad_Wanderer | but other downloads work ok from wowI |
| 23:33.44 | JoshBorke | yes, it does not work for me |
| 23:33.58 | Refuse | kik |
| 23:34.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | :( |
| 23:34.10 | Refuse | sorry forgot to alt tab here |
| 23:34.13 | Refuse | let me paste it sec |
| 23:35.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | Is there an alternate address for the file? or another way to get the file from WoWI? |
| 23:38.54 | Refuse | is there a reason my screenshots are very...light |
| 23:39.09 | Iriel | Your image viewer may have the wrong gamma |
| 23:39.26 | Refuse | hmm |
| 23:39.27 | Refuse | ya |
| 23:39.31 | Refuse | I am using some converter |
| 23:39.37 | Refuse | ok here is my UI |
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| 23:40.02 | Refuse | sec |
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| 23:41.49 | Refuse | http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/723/testzz5.jpg |
| 23:41.50 | Refuse | here we go |
| 23:42.02 | Refuse | so if you can help me fix it/any suggestions |
| 23:42.45 | Corrodias | i see the problem: you're a dwarf. the solution is to roll horde. :D |
| 23:46.14 | Mery | hey corrodias, guess what is was (the problem i had tomorrow)... when you have german as preferred language in your browser it won't show the site, so change that setting and well worked even with a german IP =) |
| 23:46.44 | Mery | i had this morning* |
| 23:47.11 | Mery | well anyway im off, g'night all |
| 23:48.40 | yacoob | Refuse: what is the problem on the picture? :) |
| 23:49.38 | Shadowed | Kirkburn1 you there? |
| 23:51.27 | Kirkburn1 | yup |
| 23:52.27 | Shadowed | When you upgraded to IE7 RC1 did it revert to IE6? |
| 23:52.40 | Kirkburn1 | Uh, no |
| 23:52.55 | Shadowed | hrn |
| 23:52.56 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 23:53.04 | Kirkburn1 | It just installed over B3 |
| 23:53.21 | Shadowed | odd |
| 23:53.24 | Refuse | yacoob there is nothing wrong |
| 23:53.26 | Shadowed | oh well, raid will look at it after |
| 23:53.30 | Shadowed | back in a few hours |
| 23:53.30 | Refuse | just want to know how to improve it |
| 23:54.32 | yacoob | Let's start with "and what you're lacking"? :) |
| 23:55.03 | yacoob | if you don't feel lacking something, stick with that, less addons -> less lag/memory usage |
| 23:55.05 | Kirkburn1 | omg, I totally forgot to learn swords in SW :O |
| 23:55.13 | yacoob | (I for one would change the unit frames, default are ultra ugly) |
| 23:55.17 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:55.30 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn1: I did that too... bad mistake |
| 23:55.50 | zenzelezz | as a human, ran the whole way to Darnassus, set my hearthstone there... then realized I couldn't use swords |
| 23:56.01 | Kirkburn1 | :/ |
| 23:56.15 | zenzelezz | AND forgot to learn the flight paths =D |
| 23:56.29 | Kirkburn1 | ouch |
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