irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060907

`00:00.11`	`Qzot`	`Did you try it? Did it work??`
`00:00.16`	`yeah`	`nope`
`00:00.18`	`yeah`	`didn't work`
`00:00.26`	`yeah`	`outputs "\|Hplayer:<name>\|h[visibletext]\|h" in the chat frame.`
`00:00.38`	`Kaso`	`you gotta use escape code`
`00:00.41`	`Qzot`	`Probably because of the "\|" munging.`
`00:01.06`	`Kaso`	`replace \| with \124`
`00:01.08`	`yeah`	`Ok, what exact escape codes? I've done a fair share of coding but tbh i've searched everywhere for this stupid thign ;<`
`00:01.10`	`yeah`	`ok, thanks`
`00:01.11`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`00:01.13`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn___ (n=jbcc@bby-wired-gen1-834.authent.sfu.ca)`
`00:01.23`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (i=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-191.west.biz.rr.com)`
`00:01.28`	`zespri_work`	`it probably was very stressed that it couldn't get out and that's why it threw up =( and pee and poo is just natural. But I'd rather it did it all in the same place and not on the carpet. and now it's like a think layer of this every where. We spent like couple of hours cleaning this out and the smell...`
`00:01.32`	`yeah`	`thank you`
`00:01.34`	`yeah`	`i love you guys :)`
`00:01.41`	`yeah`	`that worked like a charm ;>`
`00:01.43`	`Tem\|AFK`	`yeah, my bad. it's only there under "itemlink"`
`00:01.49`	`Tem\|AFK`	`but it's the same thing`
`00:02.01`	`yeah`	`ye ok, thank you so much anyways :)`
`00:02.32`	`zespri_work`	`I feel like bart simpson`
`00:02.43`	`Tem\|AFK`	`oh shits`
`00:02.45`	`Tem\|AFK`	`I'm late for work`
`00:03.08`	`Qzot`	`Hey! You forgot the 10 second rule!`
`00:03.15`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn____ (n=jbcc@bby-wired-gen1-834.authent.sfu.ca)`
`00:03.18`	`zespri_work`	`who is writing on the chalkboard thousand times "I will never ever forget to let the cat out at evenings"`
`00:05.27`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge yeah (n=yeah@81-236-4-74-no67.tbcn.telia.com)`
`00:05.37`	`yeah`	`Oh guys, sorry for being so annoying but i got one more question :)`
`00:06.10`	`yeah`	`You know if you press your "r" key you reply by standard, is there any way to set what player last told you anything with an function?`
`00:06.16`	`Kirkburn1`	`Now this is awesome`
`00:06.20`	`yeah`	`Looked at all chat functions, etc. but could not find anything`
`00:06.21`	`Kirkburn1`	`http://www.aperturescience.com/`
`00:06.46`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn____ (n=jbcc@bby-wired-gen1-834.authent.sfu.ca)`
`00:07.31`	`Kirkburn1`	`Prize to anyone who manages to get into that site :)`
`00:07.49`	`yeah`	`Anyone, please? ;<`
`00:07.51`	`Kirkburn1`	`One clue: it's to do with "portal"`
`00:08.06`	`Kirkburn1`	`yeah, not easily`
`00:08.45`	`Kirkburn1`	`You'd have to parse the chatlog or something I think`
`00:09.11`	`yeah`	`Well, you know how you press "r" right, is there any way to tell wow that "THIS is the person i want to reply to if i press r" ?`
`00:09.19`	`Kirkburn1`	`Ah, I misread`
`00:09.23`	`yeah`	`that can hardly have anything to do with the chatlog ;<`
`00:09.39`	`Kirkburn1`	`I thought you wanted to see what the last thing the person said was`
`00:09.52`	`zespri_work`	`<yeah>, read the code for ChatEdit_GetLastTellTarget function in Blizz UI`
`00:10.29`	`yeah`	`Well, isn't there any direct api function to do it? like SetLastReplyTarget() or something?`
`00:10.32`	`Kirkburn1`	`Anyone tried that website? The prize will be cookies =)`
`00:10.48`	`yeah`	`zespri_work, in what file in the blizz ui code can i find that, btw?`
`00:11.02`	`JoshBorke`	`yes, i looked at it, but got fed up when all i saw was black and a blinking green thing`
`00:11.04`	`zespri_work`	`ChatFrame.lua`
`00:11.07`	`JoshBorke`	`even after typing stuff`
`00:11.07`	`yeah`	`ok, thanks.`
`00:11.08`	`Kaso`	`Kirk : 4 8 15 16 23 42 :>`
`00:11.11`	`Cairenn`	`yeah: you need to use the Blizz extraction tool`
`00:11.12`	`Kirkburn1`	`lol`
`00:11.16`	`Qzot`	`yeah: The chat window is being managed by lua code written against the API, not part of teh API.`
`00:11.36`	`Kirkburn1`	`Okay clue: type ? into it, and then type USER`
`00:12.13`	`Qzot`	`Nothing.`
`00:12.16`	`yeah`	`Qzot, well it's not the chat window i wanna edit. I wanna modify what person it will tell if i press "r", i dont care what person told me last so to say`
`00:12.40`	`Qzot`	`yeah: You're not listening.`
`00:12.53`	`zespri_work`	`indeed`
`00:13.02`	`Qzot`	`yeah: The server is not deciding who you will chat to if you press 'r'.`
`00:13.17`	`yeah`	`Qzot: i know thatye`
`00:13.24`	`Qzot`	`yeah: That's happening on the client side. In a lua "addon" that's part of the standard UI.`
`00:13.39`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.38)`
`00:13.41`	`Qzot`	`yeah: Therefore, it will not show up in the client-server API.`
`00:14.06`	`yeah`	`ye, and what's the function name to change it? ;<`
`00:14.11`	`Qzot`	`yeah: You can look at Blizzard's code to see where they're storing that information, and it may or may not be accessible to you.`
`00:14.23`	`Kaso`	`fuck this, im gonna decompile this flash ---`
`00:14.23`	`yeah`	`ok, well i'll download thier ui thingy then`
`00:14.24`	`Kaso`	`-_-`
`00:14.48`	`Kirkburn1`	`Lol, that website is now asking me questions like: Have you ever experienced recurrent thoughts of regicide?`
`00:15.14`	`yeah`	`hmm, qzot there used to be alink on the us wow forums to the downloadable extraction of blizzards UI, where can I find that?`
`00:15.23`	`Kirkburn1`	`"Can you flash your ROM? Yes/No"`
`00:15.39`	`Qzot`	`yeah: No idea. Sorry.`
`00:16.35`	`Iriel\|working`	`heh.. Login, user guest, pssword portal`
`00:16.52`	`zespri_work`	`<yeah>, r is just a keybinding. If you go to Bindings.xml you'll see that the function that is called when you press r is ChatFrame_ReplyTell. When you go to ChatFrame.lua you'll see that this function is using ChatEdit_GetLastTellTarget to get the person the tell will be send to`
`00:17.00`	`Kirkburn1`	`"What is your favourite flatware for, purely as an example, eating cake? 00) Spoon 01) Fork 02) Salad Fork 03) Meat Fork 04) Cocktail Fork .... 11) Pastry Fork 12) Knife`
`00:17.28`	`ckknight`	`flatware?`
`00:17.31`	`yeah`	`zespri ah, thanks so much :)`
`00:17.48`	`yeah`	`but the question is - where do i find blizzard LUA code, i had it b4 but can't find the stupid link ;<`
`00:17.52`	`Kirkburn1`	`Yes. Flatware....`
`00:17.59`	`ckknight`	`never heard of that`
`00:18.05`	`Kirkburn1`	`Me neither :)`
`00:18.07`	`ckknight`	`I've heard silverware and cutlery`
`00:18.14`	`Iriel\|working`	`flatware is a common term`
`00:18.18`	`zespri_work`	`<yeah>: That's how you do this. Now I'm telling you, that you have to look to the aformentioned function to see where it takes this information from and put what you need to put there. Simple =)_`
`00:18.20`	`Kirkburn1`	`How often do you excercise? Option 10: Once.`
`00:18.50`	`yeah`	`zespri_work: thanks so much, one last Q - where do I find blizzards LUA, i had it b4 but they removed the sticky on the US forums =/`
`00:19.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`kirk`
`00:19.37`	`Kirkburn1`	`lol, these questions are mad`
`00:19.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`apeture science is for Portal, right?`
`00:19.41`	`Kirkburn1`	`Yeah`
`00:20.03`	`zespri_work`	`<yeah> go to the official wow site and then to download or support section. it's somewhere there`
`00:20.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i used GNewell as the username :P`
`00:20.18`	`Kirkburn1`	`heh`
`00:21.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`can't actually login`
`00:21.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i could hack up the swf file though`
`00:21.17`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-24-17-87-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`00:21.21`	`Kirkburn1`	`Password is portal`
`00:21.29`	`Kirkburn1`	`Username doesn't matter`
`00:21.56`	`Kirkburn1`	`Once you're at the prompt, use your DOS skills to see what to do next`
`00:22.40`	`Kaso`	`mmm dos`
`00:22.45`	`Kaso`	`this reminds me of Enter the Matrizx`
`00:23.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`questions[49].choices[41] = "Pineapple Upside Down Cake";`
`00:23.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what`
`00:23.06`	`Kirkburn1`	`hehe`
`00:23.25`	`Kirkburn1`	`Do it properly, you!`
`00:23.54`	`Kaso`	`I cant seem to make a . work`
`00:24.01`	`Kirkburn1`	`You don't need to ;)`
`00:24.51`	`Kirkburn1`	`I just finished it. Totally and utterly mad.`
`00:25.12`	`Qzot\|afk`	`bbl`
`00:25.33`	`Kaso`	`do i need to bother writing this stupid code down?`
`00:25.39`	`JoshBorke`	`time for me to go home`
`00:25.40`	`JoshBorke`	`night all`
`00:25.48`	`Kirkburn1`	`Kaso, look closely at it ;)`
`00:25.52`	`Kirkburn1`	`Night JoshBorke`
`00:25.55`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@ohm.stl.gtri.gatech.edu)`
`00:26.05`	`Kaso`	`its making my eyes hurt?`
`00:27.10`	`Kirkburn1`	`It changes :P`
`00:27.43`	`Kirkburn1`	`Almost imperceptibly, but ever so often digits change =)`
`00:28.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"periods of mandatory silence"`
`00:28.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hahaha`
`00:28.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hahahah`
`00:29.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it asks you your favorite color twice`
`00:29.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the 2nd list is completely different`
`00:29.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so you can't pick the same one`
`00:29.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hahaha`
`00:29.21`	`Kirkburn1`	`hehe`
`00:29.42`	`Kaso`	`hah the color thing owns`
`00:29.45`	`Kaso`	`Linen!`
`00:30.05`	`Kirkburn1`	`Vermillion ftw`
`00:31.46`	`zespri_work`	`what are you guys talking about?`
`00:32.09`	`Kirkburn1`	`http://www.aperturescience.com/`
`00:32.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`whoa`
`00:32.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`some kind of image flashed for a split second`
`00:32.46`	`Kaso`	`I'm stuck on Large Egret`
`00:33.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ah it was a cake`
`00:33.27`	`Kirkburn1`	`lol`
`00:34.31`	`Kaso`	`i cant type anything or use PageUP/Down`
`00:34.38`	`Kirkburn1`	`:(`
`00:34.49`	`Kirkburn1`	`Kaso broke it!`
`00:36.37`	`Kirkburn1`	`1.12.1 PTRs!!`
`00:36.38`	`Kirkburn1`	`http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/18681872.htm`
`00:36.48`	`Kirkburn1`	`"The PTRs will be coming up sometime after 4:00 PM PST on 9.7.06 for the 1.12.1 testing phase.`
`00:36.48`	`Kirkburn1`	`"`
`00:37.38`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu)`
`00:38.41`	`JoshBorke`	`hola`
`00:38.53`	`Kirkburn`	`holler`
`00:39.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`good`
`00:39.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cause my realm will be down for 36 hours`
`00:39.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hopefully they put us in hwl gear again`
`00:46.05`	`Kaso`	`http://worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html isnt updated :<`
`00:47.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Woo, downloading Vista RC1 =)`
`00:50.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Office 2007 is excellent`
`00:50.42`	`Kirkburn`	`I thought u were gonna say Win3.11 and Word 1 :P`
`00:50.53`	`Mikk`	`WoW doesn't run under win3.11 :-P`
`00:51.06`	`Kirkburn`	`You'd find a way =)`
`00:51.07`	`sancus`	`vista looks pretty awesome`
`00:51.17`	`Mikk`	`Office 97 is blitzingly fast =)`
`00:51.35`	`Kirkburn`	`But also missing a lot of stuff :P`
`00:51.39`	`Mikk`	`Orly?`
`00:51.46`	`Mikk`	`Did they add several more clippys?`
`00:52.03`	`Mikk`	`Or more menu animations?`
`00:52.07`	`Kirkburn`	`clippy died with 0fffice 2003 :P`
`00:52.17`	`Kirkburn`	`sancus, it does indeed. I'm going to try it out on my desktop when I get a product key`
`00:52.25`	`Mikk`	`Or .. umm.. did they hide even more editing commands deeper in the menus and inside tabs inside dialogs?`
`00:52.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Have you seen Office 2007?`
`00:52.55`	`Mikk`	`Nope, hence why I'm asking`
`00:52.59`	`Kirkburn`	`There are no menus`
`00:53.05`	`Mikk`	`..`
`00:53.20`	`Thrae\|Work`	`Starting with Office 2007, they re-introduced Clippy as a 3D model based on a Microsoft Booth Babe. Mmmm, the easter eggs...`
`00:53.20`	`Kirkburn`	`I'll find you screenshots`
`00:54.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Here's Powerpoint: http://blogs.msdn.com/photos/jensenh/images/670739/original.aspx`
`00:54.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Word: http://www.sunflowerhead.com/msimages/SilverTheme.png`
`00:54.43`	`Thrae`	`They also have a male version. The new Clippy switches from busty female to well-toned male based on how girly you type.`
`00:54.49`	`Mikk`	`CRY`
`00:55.01`	`Mikk`	`I already hate it`
`00:55.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Mikk, until you use it, I won't accept your opinion`
`00:55.29`	`Kirkburn`	`It is the best thing to happen to Office since, well, ever`
`00:55.38`	`Kirkburn`	`It is seriously good`
`00:55.57`	`Mikk`	`Same stuff, fluffier graphics`
`00:55.57`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm getting the stuff from http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/default.aspx btw`
`00:56.06`	`Kirkburn`	`No, not in any way shape or form`
`00:56.22`	`Kirkburn`	`It's had about 4 years of research work put into it`
`00:56.44`	`Corrodias`	`1) they probably want money for it, 2) they probably have some form of "activation" requirement`
`00:56.49`	`Corrodias`	`those kinda chafe me`
`00:56.49`	`Kirkburn`	`You find functions you never knew Word had at your fingertips`
`00:57.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Corrodias, because stealing stuff is legal of course`
`00:57.58`	`Corrodias`	`not that i'm aware`
`00:58.10`	`Corrodias`	`and -that- is why i won't be using it`
`00:58.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Mikk, the preferences page on the wiki is godawful :O`
`00:58.37`	`Kirkburn`	`To both of you, I would take a look at the Office 2007 Beta`
`00:58.56`	`Kirkburn`	`You will fall in love with it incredibly quickly`
`00:59.21`	`Kirkburn`	`(also, the server time changed, weirdly)`
`00:59.58`	`Mikk`	`Okay, I've read most of that blog.`
`01:00.02`	`Mikk`	`Still not seeing where the goodness is.`
`01:00.16`	`Kirkburn`	`The blog has been going for over a year, Mikk :P`
`01:00.16`	`Mikk`	`The toolbars are bigger, and he's quoting some law about screen real-estate a lot`
`01:00.21`	`Kirkburn`	`I'll look for a good post`
`01:00.40`	`Mikk`	`They've moved stuff around between menus and toolbars`
`01:00.42`	`Mikk`	`Whoop de do`
`01:01.01`	`Mikk`	`I still maintain that word processing invention stopped when Bill forced Word Perfect out of the scene`
`01:01.22`	`Kirkburn`	`And that would be a position of ignorance, which shocks me coming from you ...`
`01:02.01`	`Kirkburn`	`On the topic of size: http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/04/17/577485.aspx`
`01:02.10`	`Mikk`	`Well.. really.. what's changed in word processing in Word from WinWord 1.x to Office 2003`
`01:02.16`	`Mikk`	`Stuff looks better`
`01:02.17`	`Mikk`	`Same process`
`01:02.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Yes, but your immediately dismissing Office 2007 on that pretext, and it doesn't deserve it`
`01:04.11`	`Corrodias`	`Kirkburn: i'm not going to pay for it, even though it may be a fantastic way to... write a document`
`01:04.25`	`Corrodias`	`other than that, congratulations to microsoft if indeed they have made something worthwhile`
`01:04.34`	`Kirkburn`	`Something which is the main part of many people's job, yes`
`01:04.50`	`Kirkburn`	`Corrodias, I would definatelt say that they have`
`01:05.20`	`Corrodias`	`i, on the other hand, work very little with documents that can't be handled by Wordpad, and for those that can't, i think i can make do with OpenOffice`
`01:05.43`	`Corrodias`	`it's just about not having money, not about hating microsoft`
`01:06.21`	`Mikk`	`Okay. I'll give you one thing. Change tracking built into the word processor.`
`01:06.23`	`Mikk`	`That's an advance.`
`01:06.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Exporting to PDF was going to be built into Office 2007 until Adobe got greedy and decided they'd retract their offer :/`
`01:06.49`	`Kirkburn`	`(it'll still be a free download for it at least)`
`01:08.08`	`Kirkburn`	`In any case, once it's released you'll come into contact with it, and I hope it changes your minds about it :)`
`01:09.26`	`Corrodias`	`i can't spend that kind of money on something like office, unless perhaps it can read my mind!`
`01:09.37`	`Gryphen`	`People like to hold grudges, it wont be good because they have already decided it wont be :p`
`01:10.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Not sure how much it's going to be exactly ... I think the 'student/home' edition will be just over £100`
`01:10.28`	`Cairenn`	`so, cladhaire, when do we lose you, and more importantly, when do we get you back?`
`01:10.57`	`Corrodias`	`what character is a £? i forgot to update mirc`
`01:10.57`	`Kirkburn`	`I think he said he arrives at 10;30am on thursday :P`
`01:11.02`	`Mikk`	`Corrodias: pound`
`01:11.29`	`Kirkburn`	`You can't get better than a good British pound sterling`
`01:11.31`	`Nightdew`	`WHats wrong with this picture 8 developers staying late.. 1 qa person to test`
`01:11.38`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tuller (n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net)`
`01:14.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Are you the QA guy??`
`01:14.19`	`Nightdew`	`lol`
`01:14.47`	`Nightdew`	`nope.. i admire qa people though`
`01:14.50`	`Thrae`	`Why Taurens are so pissed -- Cairne Bloodhoof: "Our people have lost their homeland, been ravaged by the Kolkar, and now are under attack by the vicious Undead, the Demonic forces, and idiotic Humans and their idiotic alliance. I cannot lead my people through anymore pain and misery, I must end my own life here and let the next, fresh generation fix this mess. 30 minutes later ...Crap, why did I ever train in Reincarnation?"`
`01:14.53`	`Nightdew`	`i cant turn my brain off like them lol`
`01:16.22`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`01:20.50`	`Thrae`	`All World Bosses are 1 degree away from Shamans -- Thrall is a Shaman. Cairne Bloodhoof has Reincarnation. Sylvannus is Undead, which is close to a Warlock, a class of corrupt Shamans. High Lord Bolvar can solo 10 Level 65 Elites without having a chance to die, proving he's a Shaman. The Arch-Druid Staghelm is a Druid AND an Asshole, which is just like being a Shaman. The High Thane likes in a Cave-like place, and we all know Shaman`
`01:20.51`	`Cairenn`	`night Legorol\|Zzz`
`01:23.08`	`Bleeter`	`ot: given blizz's h/w upgrades, 'due to nature of upgrade, can't keep friends/ignore list', is it possible to export these and import them later, from a mod?`
`01:23.31`	`Bleeter`	`pretty sure it should be do-able, jsut wondering if there's a well known mod that'd do this`
`01:25.21`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`01:25.39`	`Corrodias`	`Bleeter: friendshare or friendsshare`
`01:26.01`	`Bleeter`	`Corrodias: thanks mate :)`
`01:26.50`	`Tem\|Work`	`Thrae, lol... where are you getting this stuff?`
`01:27.20`	`Bleeter`	`love the staghelm line... can't stand that guy`
`01:27.25`	`Tem\|Work`	`me either`
`01:27.45`	`Thrae`	`Eh, I'm bored, I thought you could tell from the typos I'm writing this off the top of my head`
`01:27.50`	`Bleeter`	`epitomised by the silithus 'go push this stick in a wasp nest and see what happens' quest`
`01:27.59`	`Bleeter`	`i'm like 'you're a druid, and you don't know?!'`
`01:30.43`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge JCinDE (n=jcinde@c-69-139-139-222.hsd1.de.comcast.net)`
`01:30.51`	`JCinDE`	`Greetings`
`01:30.56`	`Cairenn`	`hello`
`01:32.38`	`Thrae`	`"Tonight on the Secrets of Azeroth, we investigate Lake Staghelm. Does this lake have anything to do with the infamous Druid? Our reporter on the scene, Sapington investigates. Sapington? Hello Sapington?" Sapington: "Sorry Tom, had to kill some noobs trying to actually quest in their own zone. I ambushed them of course. Anyway, this Lake sure does have some history. The lake is yellowish in colour, a rare find in Lakes in these her`
`01:33.29`	`Mikk`	`Bleeter: IgnoreMore`
`01:34.03`	`Bleeter`	`Thrae: pity some of your text is being trunc'd`
`01:34.29`	`Thrae`	`...The lake is yellowish in colour, a rare find in Lakes in these here parts. It was formed over 1000 years ago. If we trace back the timeline, we find then Apprentice-Arch-Druid Staghelm used this very spot to enter the Emerald Dream. Unfortunately for the 100,000 inhabitants of this once green region, Staghelm was a chronic bed-wetter. And thus, over time, a lake formed."`
`01:36.25`	`Bleeter`	`i wish there was a 'revolution' buff, 2x full raids, take on their own race's boss, if they win, +10% something for an hour across the race, if they lose, 24 hour -50% debuff (not avoidable by logging off)`
`01:36.32`	`Bleeter`	`I'd be first in the queue to down staghelm`
`01:37.07`	`Bleeter`	`and the raid memebrs, if victorious, get a % of the day's profits from the vendors ;)`
`01:37.38`	`Bleeter`	`in fact, i'd level multiple toons just to take him on`
`01:39.07`	`Thrae`	`"Hello and welcome once again to Secrets of Azeroth! Today we revist the hot topic of that infamous Arch-Druid, Staghelm. We join our Rogue reporter currently parachuting down from Tendressil. Sapington?" Sapington: "Thanks Tom. New evidence and lots of Rogue stalking has found the source of Staghelm's anger. When Staghelm entered the Emerald Dream along with all the other males, he was dating Tyrande. After over a millenia, Tyrande`
`01:40.49`	`JoshBorke`	`yay for dynamic port forwarding`
`01:40.52`	`Corrodias`	`"After over a millenia (should be millenium), Tyrande..." cuts off`
`01:41.19`	`Thrae`	`...After over a millenia, Tyrande gave up on the then Apprentice-Arch-Druid for his best friend...Susan. Back to you, Tom."`
`01:41.36`	`JoshBorke`	`ok, bye all, time to go`
`01:41.37`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu)`
`01:41.41`	`Cairenn`	`later josh`
`01:41.46`	`Thrae`	`I should go find out if irssi has a setting to tell me the cut-off point.`
`01:44.35`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@c-71-198-144-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`01:47.26`	`Bleeter`	`finding the char limit in IRC ... is problematic. if I recall the problem correctly, you can't tell how many extra chars the server will insert in the line for it's routing/etc.`
`01:58.23`	`Mikk`	`350ish is safe iirc`
`01:58.31`	`Mikk`	`(512 - gunk, yeah?)`
`02:06.47`	`Bleeter`	`sounds right, but to be honest, no idea`
`02:07.00`	`Bleeter`	`anyone would think I occasionally hack for gaim and know this stuff ;)`
`02:07.29`	`Cairenn`	`ummm ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=B74CAE494B83CD53191E263CA63A9670?topicId=15401595&sid=1&pageNo=3 ... "New in WoW 2.0: Added SimpleHTML:SetFile(file)"`
`02:07.42`	`phyber`	`Thrae: use splitlong.pl`
`02:07.47`	`cladhaire`	`Cairenn: Oh.. wow`
`02:08.23`	`Cairenn`	`oh, hey, you're here now ... when do we lose you, and more importantly, when do we get you back? (cladhaire)`
`02:09.35`	`cladhaire`	`You'll lose me on googletalk about 2:00pm tomorrow, and irc around 4:00 and the state around 7:00 and the country around 9:00 EST.`
`02:09.52`	`cladhaire`	`And I shall return Tuesday morning, but won't be back HERE for probably a week after that, depending on time.`
`02:10.14`	`Kirkburn`	`And at what point do you lose yourself?`
`02:10.58`	`Tem\|Work`	`Cairenn, wow. that's something I thought we'd never get`
`02:11.04`	`Tem\|Work`	`I'm tempted to use SimpleHTML now...`
`02:11.20`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#SimpleHTML`
`02:11.29`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`Note that there is no :GetText() methos`
`02:11.44`	`Tem\|Work`	`damnit!`
`02:11.52`	`cladhaire`	`MentalPower\|AFK: hehehe yay for closed loopholes =)`
`02:11.52`	`Tem\|Work`	`you caught me...`
`02:12.35`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com)`
`02:12.46`	`phyber`	`what's that for? so you can make a tooltip out of a small HTML file?`
`02:12.56`	`Qzot`	`Heyo.`
`02:13.03`	`Cairenn`	`wb Qzot`
`02:13.10`	`Qzot`	`My heart. It races.`
`02:13.13`	`Qzot`	`With hope.`
`02:13.19`	`Tem\|Work`	`?`
`02:13.31`	`Qzot`	`The PTR forum is coming up.`
`02:13.51`	`Qzot`	`Wait. Why would they open up a PTR for a closed beta.`
`02:13.58`	`Qzot`	`My heart. It is crestfallen.`
`02:13.59`	`Kirkburn`	`1.12.1`
`02:14.10`	`Cairenn`	`most likely`
`02:14.14`	`Qzot`	`PTR for a micro-release?`
`02:14.22`	`Kirkburn`	`I posted about it earlier :P`
`02:14.24`	`Mikk`	`phyber: Quest windows use SimpleHTML`
`02:14.27`	`Qzot`	`Oh.`
`02:14.30`	`Qzot`	`Rats.`
`02:14.37`	`Qzot`	`That's not the answer I want.`
`02:14.53`	`phyber`	`Mikk: ah.`
`02:15.14`	`Kirkburn`	`"The PTRs will be coming up sometime after 4:00 PM PST on 9.7.06 for the 1.12.1 testing phase.`
`02:15.14`	`Kirkburn`	`" :)`
`02:15.26`	`Qzot`	`:(`
`02:15.48`	`cladhaire`	`my servers are down for 36 hours =)`
`02:16.12`	`Qzot`	`W/ or w/o credit?`
`02:16.30`	`Kirkburn`	`It would have to be with, I'm sure`
`02:16.44`	`cladhaire`	`Qzot: server retrofit, so i dunno`
`02:17.00`	`Qzot`	`The evil side of me has pondered creating at least one character on each battlegroup.`
`02:17.29`	`Bleeter`	`Qzot: the sane part of me has started that ;)`
`02:17.37`	`Qzot`	`Cheater.`
`02:17.40`	`Qzot`	`Haxxor.`
`02:17.41`	`Bleeter`	`although, comes with the territory being mainly oceanic`
`02:18.24`	`Bleeter`	`horrendeous queues, and vicious lagpsikes, between 8-10PM`
`02:19.40`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. No patch notes yet for 1.12.1, tho, right?`
`02:19.46`	`Kirkburn`	`G'night all!`
`02:20.03`	`Qzot`	`G'night, Kirokburn.`
`02:20.05`	`Bleeter`	`gnight Kirkburn`
`02:20.10`	`Kirkburn`	`I've seen 1.12.1 notes actually`
`02:20.20`	`Tem\|Work`	`and?`
`02:20.32`	`Kirkburn`	`They were with the alpha`
`02:21.03`	`Kirkburn`	`Not sure if I have a copy ... checking`
`02:21.03`	`Cairenn`	`night Kirkburn`
`02:21.39`	`Cairenn`	`lol ... "sorry, false alarm, no SimpleHTML:SetFile()"`
`02:21.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Here we are! http://wowi.pastey.net/582`
`02:21.53`	`Kirkburn`	`^ the 1.12.1 notes`
`02:22.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Enjoy :)`
`02:22.38`	`Qzot`	`Ty.`
`02:22.42`	`Kirkburn`	`np`
`02:22.48`	`Qzot`	`CG has the same on their forum, posted yesterday.`
`02:23.19`	`Kirkburn`	`proper goodnight :)`
`02:23.20`	`Qzot`	`Sometimes I don't understand when they choose to bring up the PTR and when they choose not to...`
`02:24.14`	`Thrae`	`1.12.1 will actually have a PTR? IE, Public?`
`02:25.31`	`Qzot`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18681872&sid=1`
`02:26.09`	`Bleeter`	`thing I hate about the new forums, can't tell from the URL which forum it's in ;)`
`02:26.43`	`Qzot`	`Oh, take the topicId mod 17.`
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`02:34.23`	`GeoDaMancer`	`What's up peoplages?`
`02:34.35`	`Cairenn`	`hi GeoDaMancer`
`02:34.48`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hola, Cairenn.`
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`02:43.03`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Ahhhh!`
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`03:00.15`	`zespri_work`	`KirkBurn, I'm totally not impressed by this aperturescience thing`
`03:00.24`	`zespri_work`	`oh`
`03:00.26`	`zespri_work`	`he left`
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`03:05.36`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Is an event called when you pick up a spell from the spell book?`
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`03:09.55`	`tyroney`	`I'll go look in the onclick code for the spellbook buttons.`
`03:10.16`	`tyroney`	`oops. ondrag`
`03:12.00`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Oooh!`
`03:12.23`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Thanks for the idea.`
`03:13.24`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I forgot that all of the UI has things in the Interface file. xD`
`03:13.24`	`tyroney`	`This is called: SpellButton_OnClick(1)`
`03:13.35`	`tyroney`	`Haven't found anything else yet.`
`03:14.07`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Yeah.`
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`03:14.36`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Hey guys`
`03:14.45`	`GeoDaMancer`	`'Lo, Nomy.`
`03:14.49`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I have a question.. is there a way to target a teller using the basic ui?`
`03:15.00`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hrm, and to do anything, I'd have to hook that fuction.`
`03:15.03`	`GeoDaMancer`	`a teller?`
`03:15.06`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I.e. Shift-click = /who teller`
`03:15.17`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Oh, a person who whispered you?`
`03:15.21`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`yes`
`03:16.12`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`We are on the Maexenna fight. it sucks. there is a part where people are splatted to the wall, and you can't left click on them to target them.`
`03:16.35`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`they get a big debuff.. we need to find a different way to target them other than left click in the world frame`
`03:17.25`	`tyroney`	`You could type in "/target " and then shift click their name, I guess.`
`03:17.47`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`buff is too big.. they are honestly dying in 4-5 seconds.`
`03:17.53`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Is there a way to get the name of a person who tells you?`
`03:18.08`	`tyroney`	`Catching the chat event.`
`03:18.32`	`tyroney`	`What are you doing with this target? casting on it?`
`03:18.38`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Yes.`
`03:18.45`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Flash heals, shields etc.`
`03:18.47`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Isn't target one of the options for right clicking a tell name?`
`03:19.13`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Yeah.. but that's a two click op, right click to open the window, drag through, select target`
`03:19.22`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I was hoping there was something more direct`
`03:19.27`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Tells`
`03:19.35`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`oops`
`03:19.41`	`Bleeter`	`catch the tell event, and hook into it, I'd say`
`03:19.44`	`tyroney`	`I'm going to look at whispercast, just in case.`
`03:20.22`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Whispercast is good, but for some reason doesn't have all spells. Like renew for example :(`
`03:20.23`	`Bleeter`	`so, nothing with the basic UI, you're going to need a mod... or so it'd seem`
`03:20.31`	`tyroney`	`Yup.`
`03:20.56`	`tyroney`	`Adding spells to that would probably be trivial.`
`03:21.01`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`K... We've got the raid sending the 3 priests tells, and the 3 priests are rightclicking their chat windows and selecting target..`
`03:21.04`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`hehehehe`
`03:21.53`	`tyroney`	`It wouldn't be too painful to make a mod that has a window with the last x tells, shown as a button with the name, that you could click to target.`
`03:21.58`	`Bleeter`	`having never played a high level caster, i dunno.. but would decursive be more useful?`
`03:22.07`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`This is not a debuff`
`03:22.13`	`Bleeter`	`ah, k, my bad`
`03:22.17`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`fighting brb`
`03:22.37`	`Bleeter`	`<<IQ has dropped, no coffee left in house :(`
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`03:24.41`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Wheee, time to read the how toos. -_-`
`03:25.06`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`dont worry I wasn't very specific.. It's weird they dont have /target as a teller option.. shift click is /who , alt-click is invite, why not ctrl click or something :)`
`03:25.49`	`tyroney`	`I think because those are for any name, and most names you see in chat are anywhere in the world, making a target function kind of silly.`
`03:26.03`	`tyroney`	`In this case, it would be handy. But usually it would just be broken.`
`03:26.50`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Wheee. Interesting.`
`03:27.13`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Wouldn't... /target %r I'd think, but I don't know for sure. xD`
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`03:28.29`	`tyroney`	`It looks like that might do the trick.`
`03:28.39`	`tyroney`	`Only for the last whisper though.`
`03:29.39`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`okay... are you guys in game right now? some ppl say ctrl-click does target, while others say it doesn't. Which is the base blizzard ui?`
`03:30.01`	`tyroney`	`ctrl-click gives me a tell with their name.`
`03:30.06`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`me too`
`03:30.09`	`tyroney`	`(Same as no click)`
`03:30.20`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`same as click with no key modifier you mean :)`
`03:30.20`	`tyroney`	`I run vanilla with a few of my own unrelated tweaks.`
`03:30.22`	`GeoDaMancer`	`It's a mod. >.>`
`03:32.23`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:35.57`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I really did think it would.`
`03:36.13`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Is that chat window dependent?`
`03:36.28`	`tyroney`	`It would only take a little bit to cache the last tell's name in a variable for reuse.`
`03:37.01`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`We're getting okay results using CT_RA emergency window...`
`03:37.49`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`But later in the fight, the window gets clogged up with people who are not affected by this debuff/wall splay thing..`
`03:40.50`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Do any of you awake sorts of people of know anything about the hooking libraries out there?`
`03:41.30`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hrm, couldn't you write a script that logs when a character's hurt, and heals them automatically?`
`03:41.45`	`tyroney`	`I know how to do a simple function hook, and a more involved meta-table hook. (well, I have working code I didn't write but understand)`
`03:41.50`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Or, not automatically, but follows the character's damage, and selects the one that's hurting most to heal?`
`03:42.08`	`tyroney`	`There are plenty of heal lowest health mods out there.`
`03:42.15`	`tyroney`	`Macros even.`
`03:43.12`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`That's not what I need.. I need the ability to target someone who has this web wrap / wall debuff ... I can't left click on them in the world frame.. We've resorted to tells, and rightclicking and choosing target in the chat pane... not optimal but it's working okay combined with the ct_RA emergency window`
`03:43.31`	`tyroney`	`sorry, you asked about health.`
`03:43.40`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Ahhh...`
`03:43.47`	`GeoDaMancer`	`That should be easy enough. xD`
`03:43.48`	`tyroney`	`I'm working on a quick whispered names cache.`
`03:44.17`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Add in a debuff checker for the right debuffs too.`
`03:44.19`	`tyroney`	`The result will be a function: each time you call it, it returns someone's name, and takes them off its list.`
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`03:47.42`	`cogwheel`	`cladhaire: ping`
`03:49.38`	`cogwheel`	`anyone here use perfectraid?`
`03:49.56`	`tyroney`	`ok, http://wowi.pastey.net/649-1w8l`
`03:50.22`	`Kirov`	`I did`
`03:50.24`	`Kirov`	`for a bit`
`03:51.41`	`tyroney`	`then you should be able to make a macro that's /script TargetByName(tellTargets_getTarget())`
`03:51.48`	`cogwheel`	`hmm... the "separator" option doesn't seem to be working`
`03:51.56`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hrm...`
`03:51.56`	`cogwheel`	`or at least i can't get it to`
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`03:52.40`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Sleep well, Cairenn!`
`03:53.32`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Doi!`
`03:53.53`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Tool tips.`
`03:54.01`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`night guys`
`03:54.08`	`GeoDaMancer`	`That's the answer to my main problem. Tooltips.`
`03:54.18`	`tyroney`	`If you say so, man.`
`03:54.57`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Read the tooltip of the action dropped onto my bar to associate it with a spell name.`
`03:55.13`	`tyroney`	`Sounds fun.`
`03:55.22`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Oh yeah.`
`03:56.09`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Which would have been easier to do, if I had thought about it, but I'm 'tupid.`
`04:02.00`	`tyroney`	`Tunnel vision FTW!`
`04:02.12`	`GeoDaMancer`	`What happened?`
`04:03.07`	`tyroney`	`Just saying in general it's fun and easy to ignore the forest.`
`04:04.36`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`well well well ...`
`04:04.44`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5330-FriendSave.html`
`04:04.50`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`I wonder what might have prompted that`
`04:12.39`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Monkies?`
`04:13.58`	`Bleeter`	`me and my big mouth?`
`04:14.24`	`Bleeter`	`h/w upgrades, more likely ;)`
`04:15.03`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`just amusing, given the conversation in here earlier`
`04:15.11`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`anyway, out for real now, later all`
`04:15.15`	`Bleeter`	`cya Cairenn\|sleep`
`04:15.40`	`Bleeter`	`yeah, i think it's a little unfair that blizz wipe the list, and provide no tool for people to back it up with .. but thems the breaks, they must be busy folks`
`04:21.21`	`Kaelten`	`iriel is not around is he?`
`04:31.50`	`Kirov`	`noop`
`04:32.18`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Wheee.`
`04:32.27`	`GeoDaMancer`	`How do you read the text off an actionbar tooltip?`
`04:39.12`	`Mikk`	`You scan the strings in GameTooltip`
`04:39.18`	`Mikk`	`there's libs that will do it for you`
`04:39.55`	`Mikk`	`Sea and Ace both have them`
`04:39.57`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hrm..`
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`04:50.36`	`ckknight`	`Gratuity-2.0 ftw`
`04:50.54`	`GeoDaMancer`	`What's that?`
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`05:24.57`	`GeoDaMancer`	`You know, for months I thought ftw mean f* the what!?`
`05:25.46`	`Tem`	`noob`
`05:26.21`	`Shadowed`	`Anyone know how much rage you don't lose if an attack is missed/dodged/ect?`
`05:26.25`	`Bleeter`	`until I started playing WoW, 'omw' meant 'oh my word'`
`05:26.27`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I never used chat abbreviations.`
`05:26.29`	`Shadowed`	`for say, a 30 rage ability`
`05:26.36`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I even type out for the win. xD`
`05:27.04`	`Tem`	`until I played wow, "omw" meant nothing to me`
`05:27.09`	`GeoDaMancer`	`What does omw?`
`05:27.16`	`Tem`	`on my way`
`05:27.17`	`Shadowed`	`on my way`
`05:27.26`	`GeoDaMancer`	`^mean^`
`05:27.38`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Oh. xD`
`05:27.44`	`Bleeter`	`'stfuimalreadyonabird' ;)`
`05:27.45`	`Tem`	`the typoes flow like milk and honey.`
`05:27.48`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I've been playing since April, and I still get confused with all the abbreviations. xD`
`05:27.54`	`Tem`	`heh`
`05:28.32`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I like that one. xD`
`05:28.49`	`Bleeter`	`i was so noob, first time I got out of teldrassil, was by falling down the back of the portal. i then proceeded to swim counter-clockwise around the island`
`05:29.03`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`05:29.12`	`Bleeter`	`definately THE most boring hour and a half of WoW I've ever played`
`05:29.36`	`zespri_work`	`i wonder what is better 2xGeForce 7900 GT or 1xGeForce 7950 GX2`
`05:29.57`	`GeoDaMancer`	`>.> That's nothing, I got boredom and swam around Gelis? The Pennisula attached to the silver-something forest.`
`05:30.02`	`Bleeter`	`zespri_work: both dual monitor capable?`
`05:31.05`	`zespri_work`	`Bleeter I think so. I don't really care, I have quite a small desk for two monitors, what I'm concerned is performance`
`05:31.17`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Because it was blocked off.`
`05:31.25`	`GeoDaMancer`	`And I wanted to check to make sure that it was.`
`05:31.47`	`Bleeter`	`zespri_work: ah, I'm lucky. have the bench space, but not the money for the decent cards. hmm, maybe if I gave you the space... ;)`
`05:32.41`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I need a dual monitor Chip, 'cause I've got two monitors already. xD`
`06:05.38`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Is there a wya to access the tool tip of a specific actionbar slot?`
`06:06.18`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Besides hovering over it. xD`
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`06:14.31`	`s\|loup`	`hi`
`06:14.54`	`GeoDaMancer`	`'Lo, sloup.`
`06:15.44`	`s\|loup`	`im searching for someone who wants to take over my mod AutoRespond (multiply)`
`06:17.09`	`GeoDaMancer`	`What's it do?`
`06:17.55`	`s\|loup`	`you can creat automatic responds on given keywords`
`06:18.45`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Ahhh.`
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`06:19.22`	`s\|loup`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2326`
`06:21.50`	`krka`	`oooh... baobab looks useful: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.16/notes/C/rnfeatures.html`
`06:24.17`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Is sea still part of Cosmos, do you know?`
`06:26.15`	`zespri_work`	`yes it is`
`06:30.12`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hooking.`
`06:30.31`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I just checked to make sure. How's it going Zespri?`
`06:30.53`	`GeoDaMancer`	`If sea is part of it, I think I can work out my script. And I figured out how to make it work right. xD`
`06:35.27`	`ckknight`	`GeoDaMancer, I frown upon your use of Sea`
`06:35.28`	`ckknight`	`:-(`
`06:35.37`	`ckknight`	`^-- (that's a frown)`
`06:35.55`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I haven't used it yet, I'm just looking at it, because it looks helpful.`
`06:36.28`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I'm trying to get tooltip information, but I don't know how. xD`
`06:39.06`	`GeoDaMancer`	`And, nothing I've found's been particularly helpful.`
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`06:47.14`	`Amro`	`hi`
`06:47.25`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hola, como estas?`
`06:47.38`	`Amro`	`tam bien.`
`06:47.41`	`Amro`	`how do you initialize an empty lua table?`
`06:48.18`	`Mikma`	`table = {}`
`06:48.21`	`MentalPower`	`someTable = {}`
`06:48.27`	`MentalPower`	`bah, lost`
`06:48.44`	`Amro`	`just when i tried it. thought it was []`
`06:48.48`	`Amro`	`thanks`
`06:48.56`	`GeoDaMancer`	`That's how it's accessed.`
`06:49.17`	`GeoDaMancer`	`someTable = {["1"] = 1} someTable[1] is 1.`
`06:49.33`	`Amro`	`yeah i know that. i need to know how to iterate through it though`
`06:49.47`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Can either of you awake type people tell me how to access a tooltip without having toe mouse over?`
`06:50.00`	`GeoDaMancer`	`for k, v in pairs(someTable) do ... end`
`06:50.05`	`GeoDaMancer`	`With k as the key and v as the value.`
`06:50.09`	`Amro`	`thanks`
`06:50.13`	`Amro`	`was using ipairs didnt work`
`06:50.24`	`MentalPower`	`ipairs works too`
`06:50.30`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Or, ipairs, if it's a enumerated table.\`
`06:50.33`	`MentalPower`	`but only for tables with numerical indices`
`06:50.43`	`Amro`	`then something's wrong with my table`
`06:50.46`	`MentalPower`	`GeoDaMancer: what do you mean?`
`06:51.00`	`GeoDaMancer`	`To my question?`
`06:51.37`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I need to get the information from a specific tooltip, such as the one that displays when you mouse over an action bar.`
`06:52.06`	`MentalPower`	`Amro: someTable = {"hello","amro","I","am","a","table"}; someVable = someTable[4]; someVale == "am"`
`06:52.13`	`MentalPower`	`GameTooltip`
`06:52.17`	`MentalPower`	`what about it`
`06:52.29`	`s\|loup`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#GameTooltip`
`06:52.33`	`MentalPower`	`GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText()`
`06:52.53`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Er, a specific tool tip. -_-`
`06:52.55`	`Amro`	`thanks mental, the problem was i was referencing the index 0 for testing and forgot to replace it with a variable`
`06:53.02`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Not the whole listing.`
`06:53.07`	`MentalPower`	`table indices start at 1`
`06:53.13`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Yeah.`
`06:53.16`	`Amro`	`ouch`
`06:53.22`	`Amro`	`weird`
`06:53.51`	`Amro`	`i forgot all this lua stuff since i devoured the manual a few years ago`
`06:54.09`	`MentalPower`	`GeoDaMancer: GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() will get you the text of the first line on the left`
`06:54.31`	`MentalPower`	`GameTooltipTextLeft goes until GameTooltip:NumLines()`
`06:54.43`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Alright, is it for the object that was calling it?`
`06:54.51`	`Amro`	`if im setting a variable to be save via the toc file, how do i check to make sure i dont overwrite it if it exists? im checking if its nil but that doesn't work`
`06:54.52`	`jaxdahl`	`perfectraid is looking pretty good`
`06:55.00`	`jaxdahl`	`http://jax2.zenblue.net/naxx/naxx.png`
`06:55.09`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm using the branch build as my raid frames now`
`06:55.37`	`GeoDaMancer`	`if (not savedVar) then savedVar == Whatever end;`
`06:55.47`	`MentalPower`	`Amro: if you set it in you Lua file, then that will be the default value, it will get overwritten by the one in the SavedVariables file after ADDON_LOADED for your addon`
`06:55.47`	`Amro`	`thanks again`
`06:55.50`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I think. -_-`
`06:56.05`	`Amro`	`i was setting it in the onload function`
`06:56.13`	`MentalPower`	`then that will be the default value`
`06:56.42`	`MentalPower`	`remember, you don't have access to your SavedVariables until ADDON_LOADED fires for your addon`
`06:57.07`	`Amro`	`how do i check for that?`
`06:57.24`	`MentalPower`	`you need to register for that event`
`06:57.43`	`Amro`	`via xml?`
`06:57.43`	`MentalPower`	`YourFrame:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED")`
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`06:57.59`	`Amro`	`then grab it on OnEvent?`
`06:58.35`	`MentalPower`	`then in your <OnEvent> handler check for "event == "ADDON_LOADED" and string.lower(arg1) == "nameofyouraddon""`
`06:58.45`	`MentalPower`	`<GeoDaMancer>Alright, is it for the object that was calling it? <---What do you mean?`
`06:58.55`	`ckknight`	`GeoDaMancer, I'd help you, back, sorry`
`06:59.06`	`Amro`	`thanks once more`
`06:59.47`	`MentalPower`	`np`
`07:00.30`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`the rpob ehit the addon loaded event is that u do now get all addons i think`
`07:00.38`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Thanks, ck, did you catch what I said earlier?`
`07:00.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`sorry i missspelled that`
`07:01.10`	`ckknight`	`GeoDaMancer, about what?`
`07:01.30`	`ckknight`	`not having to resort to it?`
`07:01.55`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Er, about what I need to do.`
`07:02.17`	`ckknight`	`what do you need to do?`
`07:02.54`	`GeoDaMancer`	`None of the explainations of tooltips really help me. Wow's UI's like a forign language to me for the most part, and the way it's describe just confuses me. I don't want to resort to outside libraries, but I need to gather information from the tooltips of things placed in actionbars.`
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`07:03.46`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`07:03.49`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke`
`07:04.00`	`ckknight`	`and using a tooltip library isn't satisfying?`
`07:04.20`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I haven't tried one yet, and have no idea how to anyway. Like I said, they confuse me. xD`
`07:04.40`	`MentalPower`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: yes you get ADDON_LOADED for all addons that load, that is why you need to check arg1 for the name of your addon`
`07:04.42`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`if u dont wana a lib u should just create a hidden xml frame witch will be your own scanning tooltip`
`07:05.15`	`MentalPower`	`anyways, off to bed for me. goodnight guys`
`07:05.30`	`GeoDaMancer`	`... That doesn't help when I have no idea what how it would work. I mean, I've found ways to write one, but that doesn't mean I know what it does.`
`07:05.38`	`ckknight`	`GeoDaMancer, well, Gratuity-2.0 might be useful for you`
`07:05.41`	`ckknight`	`it's documented.`
`07:05.51`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Documentation is nice.`
`07:06.05`	`ckknight`	`http://www.wowace.com/index.php/Gratuity-2.0_API_Documentation`
`07:06.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz: i have tryed it but im my tests it apaers that blizzart load alphabeticly so when have addon a and b a get loaded first and send out the message but there are no addons to recive it b get loded then and send a message to a but b never gets the message from a`
`07:07.02`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz`	`no, all addons (non LoD) recieve ADDON_LOADED from all other AddOns (LoD or not)`
`07:08.11`	`ckknight`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u, so instead of sending a message at the base of the file or at ADDON_LOADED, instead send it at PLAYER_LOGIN`
`07:08.35`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz`	`ok, for real now, gnight`
`07:08.57`	`ckknight`	`g'night`
`07:09.11`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Nighters.`
`07:10.25`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ckknight: we cant manipulate the addon loading stuff but the thing i use is a few IsAddOnLoaded() in the PLAYER_LOGIN or VAIABLES_LOADED`
`07:10.43`	`ckknight`	`alright`
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`07:13.06`	`Amro`	`does VARIABLES_LOADED fire onces all addons have been loaded?`
`07:15.09`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I'm not sure if gratuity can help me. When using it for the SetAction does it order by what slot the action is in, or does it just scan through then them order it?`
`07:16.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`Amro: no`
`07:16.10`	`GeoDaMancer`	`By aplha-num order.`
`07:16.24`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`it gets fired only ones to indicated that all saved variable for all addons have been relaoded`
`07:16.56`	`Amro`	`good enough for me`
`07:17.26`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`GeoDaMancer: i dunno maybe u should try a more simpeler poject first`
`07:18.02`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Well, the thing is, that without being able to capture the name of the action being dropped into the slot, this is the only other way I can think of for finding it out.`
`07:18.18`	`Amro`	`does a /console reloadui save then reload addon variables?`
`07:18.36`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I believe it does.`
`07:24.05`	`Mikk`	`Amro: yes`
`07:25.17`	`ckknight`	`GeoDaMancer, you gotta say "ckk" to get me to ping`
`07:25.59`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`or the old fashion way`
`07:26.01`	`ckknight`	`GeoDaMancer, I actually don't know, sorry.`
`07:26.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeeh`
`07:26.09`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Ahhhh.`
`07:26.10`	`ckknight`	`not necessary.`
`07:26.21`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Darn.`
`07:26.30`	`ckknight`	`GeoDaMancer, someone in #wowace might know. We're a knowledgeable bunch`
`07:26.42`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Same server?`
`07:26.49`	`ckknight`	`problem is, I know a lot about lua now, but not so much about WoW's intricacies`
`07:26.52`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`07:27.09`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I pop in another day when I'm not 3/4 dead.`
`07:27.19`	`ckknight`	`fair enough`
`07:28.25`	`Amro`	`gah my vars aren't getting saved :(`
`07:28.40`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Are you listing them in the saved vars?`
`07:28.45`	`Mikma`	`you forgot to add a line in .toc?`
`07:28.45`	`Amro`	`yeah`
`07:28.50`	`Amro`	`i did add it`
`07:30.05`	`Mikma`	`well pastebin it :)`
`07:30.23`	`Mikma`	`(the .toc and .lua)`
`07:30.34`	`Amro`	`ok`
`07:36.24`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`Does any know wut the "Locked" state of items means ?`
`07:36.41`	`Amro`	`what's the current toc vers?`
`07:38.29`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`11200`
`07:40.50`	`Amro`	`got saved vars to work`
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`08:20.32`	`Corrodias`	`well, perfectraid is a hell of a lot nicer to look at than the x-perl raid frames, if only because it isn't all over my screen`
`08:20.40`	`Corrodias`	`although the mana warning on a warrior was disconcering`
`08:20.43`	`Corrodias`	`*disconcerting`
`08:22.19`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`since when do warrios have mana :(`
`08:23.11`	`Corrodias`	`played my first few AV tonight`
`08:23.25`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke`
`08:24.21`	`Corrodias`	`of course i have no idea what i'm doing, despite reading a guide about it`
`08:24.38`	`Corrodias`	`now it's time to re-read the guide and try to apply its wisdom to the experience i've gained.`
`08:28.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`and are u gona level up ?`
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`08:43.38`	`Corrodias`	`man, these guides are pretty outdated, i think`
`08:43.49`	`Corrodias`	`the AV games i just saw don't quite sound like these describe`
`08:44.35`	`Corrodias`	`there was no front lines... it was usually just two offensive forces steamrolling a few defenders and working toward the generals`
`08:44.51`	`Corrodias`	`*line`
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`08:58.28`	`Corrodias`	`i'm pretty sure there's no strategy that's going to help my level 58 druid against a bunch of epicced 60's, though.`
`08:59.14`	`Amro`	`there isn't much strategy in av`
`08:59.16`	`Amro`	`target kill`
`09:01.59`	`Corrodias`	`the alliance beat us some 5-1, which surprised me, because the 50-59 WSG games i played were around 12-8 horde`
`09:02.32`	`kergoth`	`i'm always confused as hell in av, no idea whats going on`
`09:02.35`	`kergoth`	`need to read up on it or something`
`09:02.47`	`Amro`	`12-8?`
`09:03.05`	`Corrodias`	`12 wins and 8 losses`
`09:04.51`	`Amro`	`allaince usually loses in wsg`
`09:04.54`	`Amro`	`it takes coordination`
`09:05.13`	`xordoquy`	`depends on the peoples`
`09:05.26`	`Amro`	`yea but most alliance are morons`
`09:05.29`	`xordoquy`	`if you have ppls that can keep their position, it's ok ;)`
`09:05.32`	`xordoquy`	`yup`
`09:05.47`	`Amro`	`we all agree to storm in together`
`09:05.50`	`Corrodias`	`despite their shadowmelding NE hunters, they still can't win often`
`09:05.55`	`Amro`	`some jackasses use another entrance`
`09:06.03`	`xordoquy`	`I played my first warsong last week`
`09:06.12`	`xordoquy`	`most of them were random rushes`
`09:06.19`	`Amro`	`sm hunter cant do shit against a zerg`
`09:06.22`	`Corrodias`	`i am more than happy as a druid to toss a HoT on the flag runner and Roots people following him`
`09:06.39`	`xordoquy`	`the 2 we won were those were there was a defense group and a coordinate attack one`
`09:06.46`	`Corrodias`	`but they want me to run it, and i don't do so well at that >_>`
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`09:07.09`	`Amro`	`once we nearly won`
`09:07.17`	`Amro`	`but flag runner ran off on his own`
`09:07.35`	`Amro`	`we killed most of the attackers but then horde capped, im like wtf we killed them off`
`09:08.48`	`xordoquy`	`Well, I'm playing a paladin and my score is like 2 for alliance against 10 for the horde`
`09:09.29`	`xordoquy`	`the horde seems to play in team compared to the alliance`
`09:09.45`	`Amro`	`yeah`
`09:09.59`	`Corrodias`	`i've seen counterexamples, but i agree that it is more frequently that way`
`09:09.59`	`xordoquy`	`It's amazing to see that 4 guys claims to be the battle leaders too ;)`
`09:10.18`	`Corrodias`	`i'm just glad they added the auto raid join feature`
`09:10.21`	`xordoquy`	`Corrodias: yes, the 2 we won were because we were playing in team and the horde wasn't`
`09:10.40`	`Corrodias`	`you both have mentioned winning 2 games. do you play together?`
`09:10.56`	`xordoquy`	`I don't think so`
`09:11.29`	`xordoquy`	`I've just made my BG as pickup yet`
`09:12.18`	`Corrodias`	`so. i've heard it only takes a few weeks to get exalted in AV`
`09:12.30`	`Amro`	`they need to fix the pug system`
`09:12.31`	`xordoquy`	`what's AV ?`
`09:12.38`	`Amro`	`when one side has 4 healers and the other none`
`09:12.43`	`Amro`	`thats just messed up`
`09:12.43`	`Corrodias`	`alterac valley, the largest BG`
`09:13.10`	`xordoquy`	`I'm lvl 36 so I can't go to alterac`
`09:13.44`	`Amro`	`most annoying is when you have mostly lowend players in the lower bracket wsgs and the other team is twinks`
`09:14.33`	`Corrodias`	`that happens to both sides, don't worry`
`09:16.11`	`xordoquy`	`btw, since the cros world battleground, it's amazing to see alliance guys wining on forums that the alliance often looses`
`09:17.09`	`Amro`	`only good thing about cross realm is shorter queues`
`09:17.21`	`xordoquy`	`is it ?`
`09:17.33`	`xordoquy`	`some also complains about longer waiting time`
`09:17.42`	`Amro`	`nah`
`09:17.44`	`Corrodias`	`it may depend on your battle group..`
`09:17.54`	`xordoquy`	`last time, warsong took about 10 minutes before I got in (standalone)`
`09:17.54`	`Amro`	`sometimes there's only 2-3 guys up for a bg on a realm`
`09:18.08`	`xordoquy`	`IC`
`09:18.10`	`Corrodias`	`but it's easier for the thing to match up vaguely balanced teams compared to before, even with the same overall numbers imbalance`
`09:18.24`	`xordoquy`	`Corrodias: I do think so`
`09:18.43`	`Corrodias`	`not all druids vs all rogues, or something stupid like that`
`09:19.00`	`Corrodias`	`balanced in terms of not having too many of one class`
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`09:19.45`	`xordoquy`	`also it seems that on our servers, there a more horde player in a given instance than before`
`09:20.01`	`Corrodias`	`my druid doesn't feel so useful in any BG, to be honest. i love healing, but it's tough in a battleground because the enemies tend to see you...`
`09:20.10`	`xordoquy`	`some says that horde wins more often because they use to play undernumbered`
`09:20.21`	`xordoquy`	`s/use/used/`
`09:20.39`	`Corrodias`	`nice`
`09:20.54`	`Corrodias`	`"becaused"`
`09:21.01`	`xordoquy`	`;)`
`09:22.45`	`Amro`	`corrodias`
`09:22.50`	`Amro`	`druids are very useful in wsg`
`09:22.54`	`Amro`	`VERY useful`
`09:23.32`	`xordoquy`	`anyway, the way warsong is played makes me more think about a hugh PvP BG. Maybe blizzard should create a battlefield without goals and splited by levels`
`09:24.09`	`xordoquy`	`Amro: and paladin are almost useless since that can't run fast nor really stop a player`
`09:24.27`	`jaxdahl`	`they can LOH the druid 1 time an hour, lololol`
`09:24.37`	`xordoquy`	`LOH ?`
`09:24.40`	`jaxdahl`	`lay on hands`
`09:24.48`	`xordoquy`	`;)`
`09:25.02`	`jaxdahl`	`my biggest heal with it is 8400`
`09:25.11`	`jaxdahl`	`a fellow paladin got 5 digits the other day`
`09:25.20`	`xordoquy`	`wooo`
`09:25.46`	`Corrodias`	`paladins are useful in being amazingly hard to kill`
`09:25.50`	`Amro`	`hammer of justice`
`09:25.54`	`Amro`	`blessing of freedom`
`09:25.58`	`Corrodias`	`they can occupy two or three opposing players for half a minute at a time`
`09:26.01`	`jaxdahl`	`BoF is a big one`
`09:26.23`	`jaxdahl`	`i miss being able to BOP and DS back to back`
`09:26.46`	`Corrodias`	`Amro: druids are the fastest flag runners, unless you ahve a rogue with as many speed-boosting trinkets and items you can get`
`09:27.00`	`Corrodias`	`that i know`
`09:27.05`	`xordoquy`	`11:25 < Corrodias> paladins are useful in being amazingly hard to kill`
`09:27.07`	`xordoquy`	`indeed`
`09:27.12`	`jaxdahl`	`paladins should be able to keep carrying the flag while shielded`
`09:27.25`	`Corrodias`	`but staying ahead of all your support doesn't always work when a warlock is tossing DoT's`
`09:27.35`	`xordoquy`	`I'm oftn rushing in the middle of the horde group to busy them while the other are killing them ;)`
`09:27.49`	`xordoquy`	`jaxdahl: that wouldn't be really fair`
`09:28.25`	`xordoquy`	`amazingly, horde guys are still launching spells while shielded`
`09:28.39`	`xordoquy`	`while I'm shielded`
`09:28.52`	`Corrodias`	`perhaps they think they wear it out like a mage's`
`09:29.14`	`Corrodias`	`or priest's? is that what i'm thinking of?`
`09:29.18`	`xordoquy`	`I'm fine with that as long as they wast mana like this ;)`
`09:30.06`	`xordoquy`	`what class(es) are you playing ?`
`09:30.17`	`jaxdahl`	`both`
`09:34.17`	`Mikma`	`cladhair1: 'nevcairiel' is waiting for his SVN access ;)`
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`09:42.23`	`wereHamster`	`after how long will I get disconnected when I don't do anything? 10min?`
`09:43.17`	`Wobin`	`Depends on if you have dodgy channel addons =)`
`09:44.03`	`Corrodias`	`what do you mean?`
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`09:46.47`	`wereHamster`	`I had 'Longsight' (Spyglass) and went away to eat lunch and when I came back I was still in the game`
`09:47.13`	`Mery`	`30 min`
`09:47.21`	`wereHamster`	`I was maybe 10-20 minutes away..`
`09:47.24`	`wereHamster`	`ok then..`
`09:47.32`	`wereHamster`	`brb.. in 35min ;)`
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`09:48.31`	`jaxdahl`	`you go afk after 5`
`09:48.35`	`jaxdahl`	`and 25 min after that you get d/c`
`10:01.46`	`Mikma`	`anyone can tell me can i use this: SetBinding("key", self:Function())`
`10:01.58`	`Mikma`	`or does it have to be a actual keybind?`
`10:02.04`	`krka`	`hmm`
`10:02.06`	`krka`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14682657&pageNo=2`
`10:02.13`	`krka`	`i am not sure the compatibility is a problem`
`10:02.53`	`krka`	`the arg table will only be created if used`
`10:02.55`	`krka`	`afaik`
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`11:43.47`	`wereHamster`	`anyone here with access to the US forum?`
`11:43.55`	`Amro`	`me`
`11:44.58`	`wereHamster`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19842144&sid=1 <= he can either use the blue minimap button or the slash commands '/ifm start', '/ifm stop' to move the frame, btw, please also mention that that's described on the curse-gaming site of the addon.`
`11:45.23`	`JoshBorke`	`heya wereHamster`
`11:47.19`	`wereHamster`	`hi`
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`13:30.49`	`krka`	`awfully quiet here`
`13:31.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`welcome to 6am`
`13:31.56`	`krka`	`halft past 3 here`
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`13:52.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Oooh: "Is there another entrance into Outlands BESIDES the Dark Portal? Like in the new capital cities, for example?" Drysc says "yes" :)`
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`13:55.38`	`Warla`	`howdy`
`13:55.45`	`vhaarr`	`Kirkburn: rockin'!`
`13:55.53`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`13:55.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Howdy Warla`
`13:56.23`	`s\|loup`	`where did you find that?`
`13:56.26`	`Warla`	`heya Kirkburn`
`13:56.42`	`Kirkburn`	`s\|loup, where do I always find this stuff? Bluetracker of course :P`
`13:56.54`	`JoshBorke`	`hola`
`13:57.17`	`Warla`	`i finally hit revered with brood... know what kickass upgrade casters get? from honored --> revered?`
`13:57.26`	`Warla`	`+1 spell damage.... man i feel so overpowered :-/`
`13:58.51`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`13:59.26`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`14:00.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Haha, the backlash from the PS3 delay: http://www.thisiswaiting.com/`
`14:02.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`prolly gonna be a way for maages to port to the Outlands and you can always hearth.`
`14:02.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Heh, this is great: http://www.thisiswaiting.com/b1.jpg`
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`14:51.49`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`is it posable to move an item between bag slots ?`
`14:56.20`	`Amro`	`what do you mean?`
`14:56.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`yes`
`14:58.00`	`Amro`	`you can pretty much move any item anywhere you can in the game`
`14:58.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i mean from inside a bag from bag slot 1 to 4`
`14:58.34`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`iv looked at the function i can place an item in a bad but not in a slot..`
`14:58.47`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`atleast on wiki i dont see a usefull fuction for it`
`14:58.52`	`Amro`	`use the one tha picks up a bag from a slot`
`14:58.54`	`Amro`	`hold on`
`14:59.45`	`Amro`	`pick up the item with a functino`
`14:59.48`	`Amro`	`then PickupBagFromSlot(slot)`
`15:00.34`	`Amro`	`PickupContainerItem then PickupBagFromSlot`
`15:00.35`	`Legorolo`	`krka, you around?`
`15:02.06`	`krka`	`yes`
`15:02.11`	`krka`	`on my way home in a few mins`
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`15:02.16`	`krka`	`but my irc will stay open`
`15:02.19`	`krka`	`screen + irssi FTW`
`15:02.30`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`PickupContainerItem(bagID,slot) <- oke to pick it up but how to place it in a bag & slot ?`
`15:03.13`	`wereHamster`	`PickupContainerItem(bagID2, slot2)`
`15:03.18`	`Amro`	`thought you meant to put it in a bag slot. use it again`
`15:03.26`	`krka`	`so you can talk to me, and expect a response in an hour`
`15:04.24`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ah i see it indeed cool "[`
`15:04.38`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`this saves my BagSlotType addon a look of hooking`
`15:04.46`	`Amro`	`pickup functions work like clicking on items ingame`
`15:05.05`	`Amro`	`so that function will do whatever would happen if you click on that item- including applying poisons etc`
`15:05.22`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i was gona write a code between that actualy slot an item was in and the place where it was displayed :p`
`15:06.10`	`Amro`	`uh i have no idea what you just said`
`15:10.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`hmm well the idea is harder to explain then it was in my head`
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`15:25.33`	`jaxdahl`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18681872&pageNo=1&sid=1#0`
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`15:36.03`	`Corrodias`	`hmm, the frozen mob bug would be fixed by a server-side patch, so it can't be that...`
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`15:43.46`	`Kirkburn`	`"Wednesday morning at the Austin Game Conference it was announced that World of Warcraft has hit 7 million active subscribers world-wide"`
`15:44.42`	`cogwheel`	`yowzah`
`15:45.33`	`cogwheel`	`Just over 1 in 1000 people on the entire planet plays WoW now...`
`15:47.25`	`Corrodias`	`time to leave! [away]`
`15:51.37`	`wereHamster`	`EU forums down?`
`15:51.42`	`Legorolo`	`i thought there are 6 billion people`
`15:51.51`	`Legorolo`	`and if i remember right, the 6 million mark was crossed a while ago`
`15:52.02`	`xordoquy`	`wereHamster: fr ones works`
`15:52.06`	`Legorolo`	`but i agree, it's impressive`
`15:52.15`	`wereHamster`	`6 bilion was ~5 years ago, now it's closer to 7`
`15:53.36`	`wereHamster`	`Could not commit Hibernate transaction; nested exception is org.hibernate.TransactionException: JDBC commit failed`
`15:54.21`	`cogwheel`	`legorolo..... 7mil/6bil is just over 1 in 1000....`
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`15:56.04`	`Legorolo`	`hm, we got 1 billion people in 5 years? that's scary`
`15:57.27`	`krka`	`Legorolo: what did you want?`
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`16:05.39`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`this channel needs tobe promoted more`
`16:05.52`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`since its dahm handy`
`16:09.01`	`krka`	`maybe we should populate #wowlua or #wowdev or somethingh`
`16:09.05`	`krka`	`since this is a "lounge"`
`16:09.20`	`krka`	`also, it's related to a site`
`16:09.54`	`tyroney`	`I'd leave it alone unless it starts getting overrun with, uh, stuff.`
`16:10.39`	`krka`	`what did you want?`
`16:10.51`	`Legorolo`	`did i want something?`
`16:11.03`	`Legorolo`	`i honestly don't remember :)`
`16:11.06`	`Legorolo`	`did i type your name or something`
`16:11.36`	`Legorolo`	`oh yes i did about an hour ago`
`16:11.40`	`krka`	`17:00:41 <Legorolo> krka, you around?`
`16:11.40`	`Legorolo`	`forget what it was for, though`
`16:11.43`	`krka`	`17:00:41 <Legorolo> krka, you around?`
`16:11.49`	`krka`	`heh`
`16:11.54`	`krka`	`probably nothing important then`
`16:12.07`	`Legorolo`	`no i think it was something to do with Lua 5.1`
`16:12.25`	`Legorolo`	`seeing as how it'll be in BC, i finally bothered to read up on the changes :)`
`16:12.32`	`Legorolo`	`i'm liking the incremental GC and the new vararg`
`16:12.41`	`krka`	`the incremental GC is awesome`
`16:12.49`	`Legorolo`	`oh yeah i remember`
`16:12.54`	`Legorolo`	`i was wondering how well it would work in WoW`
`16:13.03`	`krka`	`in fact, when i wanted to test how much garbage the arg table did in 5.1, i couldn't even notice anything`
`16:13.04`	`Legorolo`	`does it men we can start creating a bit more garbage with less impunity`
`16:13.11`	`krka`	`since it got gc'd immediately`
`16:13.12`	`Legorolo`	`ehm... arg table?`
`16:13.17`	`tyroney`	`Bwa ha ha!`
`16:13.24`	`krka`	`function(...) return unpack(arg) end`
`16:13.26`	`krka`	`that kind of thing`
`16:13.28`	`Legorolo`	`ehm..`
`16:13.31`	`Legorolo`	`in 5.1 there is no arg table`
`16:13.34`	`krka`	`yes there is`
`16:13.37`	`Legorolo`	`??`
`16:13.39`	`Legorolo`	`then i missed something..`
`16:13.42`	`Legorolo`	`i thought arg table is gone`
`16:13.44`	`krka`	`with compatibilty mode i think`
`16:13.47`	`Legorolo`	`and instead ... is a valid expression`
`16:13.50`	`Legorolo`	`oh right`
`16:13.50`	`krka`	`yes, that too`
`16:14.01`	`krka`	`there is no downside to keep the arg-table though`
`16:14.03`	`Legorolo`	`well if it's a compatibility-only thing,`
`16:14.06`	`Legorolo`	`yes there is`
`16:14.07`	`krka`	`it only gets created when actually used`
`16:14.10`	`krka`	`no there isn't`
`16:14.11`	`Legorolo`	`ah`
`16:14.11`	`krka`	`:P`
`16:14.14`	`Legorolo`	`ok i didn't know that part`
`16:14.16`	`krka`	`i explored it fully`
`16:14.19`	`Legorolo`	`cool`
`16:14.28`	`krka`	`it even got mentioned on a thread on the forums`
`16:14.30`	`Legorolo`	`so even if the new vararg stuff wasn't there, the incremental GC rocks already`
`16:14.40`	`tyroney`	`WoW Lua 5.1 is currently compiled with these options:`
`16:14.41`	`krka`	`the ... thing is really really cool too`
`16:14.41`	`tyroney`	`#define LUAI_GCPAUSE 200`
`16:14.43`	`tyroney`	`#define LUAI_GCMUL 200`
`16:14.43`	`Legorolo`	`interesting, i see no mention of arg in the 5.1 manual`
`16:14.44`	`tyroney`	`#undef LUA_COMPAT_GETN`
`16:14.46`	`tyroney`	`#undef LUA_COMPAT_VARARG`
`16:14.47`	`tyroney`	`#undef LUA_COMPAT_MOD`
`16:14.48`	`tyroney`	`#undef LUA_COMPAT_LSTR`
`16:14.50`	`tyroney`	`#undef LUA_COMPAT_GFIND`
`16:14.59`	`krka`	`don't see why Iriel wants to get rid of arg`
`16:15.07`	`Legorolo`	`Iriel?`
`16:15.12`	`Legorolo`	`that's copied from slouken i think`
`16:15.14`	`krka`	`let me try to find the thread`
`16:15.16`	`tyroney`	`Yup.`
`16:15.26`	`Legorolo`	`anyway, about the GC`
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`16:15.36`	`Legorolo`	`so, the fact that we have the ... syntax is a big boost in eliminating garbage`
`16:15.41`	`Legorolo`	`and the new GC`
`16:15.50`	`Legorolo`	`this will totally rock, i can type readable code again`
`16:15.59`	`Legorolo`	`no more function f(a1,a2,a3,a4....... abillion)`
`16:16.27`	`Legorolo`	`OHH! i just remembered what i wanted to say to you krka :`
`16:16.40`	`Legorolo`	`i like the change to table.setn/getn`
`16:16.48`	`Legorolo`	`in 5.1 it works much more intuitively`
`16:17.02`	`Legorolo`	`and, if you remember, the 5.0 implementation caused a bug in AT that i debugged for you`
`16:17.09`	`Legorolo`	`it would have never occured under 5.1 in the first place ;-)`
`16:17.30`	`krka`	`cool`
`16:17.32`	`Legorolo`	`interaction of manual table element handling (e.g. t[3]="d") and table.insert/remove is much more sensible in 5.1`
`16:17.35`	`krka`	`yeah, tables are better now`
`16:17.39`	`krka`	`but i still dont fully like it`
`16:17.59`	`Legorolo`	`i whipped up a little example, lemme pastebin`
`16:20.10`	`krka`	`crap, cant find the thread`
`16:20.16`	`krka`	`maybe it's the coroutine thread`
`16:20.23`	`krka`	`but i can't find that either`
`16:20.56`	`Legorolo`	`meh, pastebin.com is slw`
`16:20.58`	`Legorolo`	`slow`
`16:21.00`	`Legorolo`	`what's the alternative?`
`16:21.02`	`krka`	`yeah, use pastey`
`16:21.24`	`krka`	`http://pastey.net/`
`16:21.28`	`Legorolo`	`ah thanks`
`16:22.02`	`Legorolo`	`http://www.pastey.net/658`
`16:22.12`	`Legorolo`	`this lil' example illustrates why i'm happy with the changes`
`16:22.26`	`Legorolo`	`and it's the bug that used to cause AT to delete points incorrectly ;-)`
`16:23.58`	`krka`	`i see`
`16:24.01`	`krka`	`did i ever fix that bug btw?`
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`16:27.00`	`tyroney`	`I had a frame cache I had to re-work because of that very issue. I'll have to try putting it back when I have a chance to test 2.0`
`16:27.07`	`tyroney`	`s/when/if/`
`16:27.32`	`krka`	`found it! i knew i wasn't crazy http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14682657&pageNo=2`
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`16:29.08`	`krka`	`i think slouken and iriel are wrong in removing arg, since it doesn't change much`
`16:29.27`	`krka`	`or maybe i am wrong`
`16:29.51`	`krka`	`of course, iriel is never wrong, damn it :)`
`16:32.33`	`tyroney`	`I always forget, in xml files, three widgets in a row: will the top one or the bottom one (in the xml file) wind up rendered on top?`
`16:34.30`	`cogwheel`	`krka, removing arg eliminates a table constructor for every single call to vararg functions...`
`16:36.12`	`Cairenn`	`morning Tem`
`16:36.18`	`Tem`	`morning`
`16:36.29`	`cogwheel`	`Bottom one probably... if they're in the same strata, most bets are off, especially if any code causes one of them to take focus`
`16:37.04`	`krka`	`looking through the lua source code now, it's confusing`
`16:37.27`	`Legorolo`	`well it's all moot, since WoW won't have the compatibility arg`
`16:37.33`	`tyroney`	`cogwheel: ok. Thanks. I'll play with it.`
`16:37.37`	`Legorolo`	`at least that's my read of slouken's post`
`16:38.11`	`cogwheel`	`legorolo, that's correct... I think krka was just saying he thought the decision was wrong in the first place... (at least that's how I read his statement)`
`16:38.42`	`krka`	`weird that arg is nil when ... is present though`
`16:38.43`	`Legorolo`	`ah right`
`16:38.50`	`krka`	`have to figure that one out`
`16:38.50`	`Legorolo`	`but ehm..`
`16:38.55`	`Legorolo`	`so if the compat flag was turned on,`
`16:39.02`	`Legorolo`	`would arg be always created?`
`16:39.07`	`cogwheel`	`yes`
`16:39.14`	`cogwheel`	`but they can't be referenced at the same time`
`16:39.15`	`Legorolo`	`in which case it sounds like it's very good idea to not turn on compatibility`
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`16:39.30`	`krka`	`hm, it if finds ... inside the function, it removes the NEEDSARG bit`
`16:39.31`	`Legorolo`	`heya Iriel`
`16:39.32`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ`
`16:39.33`	`krka`	`so it won't create the table`
`16:39.37`	`Cairenn`	`morning Iriel`
`16:39.41`	`cogwheel`	`oh...`
`16:39.45`	`cogwheel`	`i stand corrected`
`16:39.46`	`krka`	`so we have three cases`
`16:39.46`	`Legorolo`	`krka: i see`
`16:39.47`	`Iriel`	`morning`
`16:39.53`	`krka`	`1) function(...) return ... end`
`16:39.57`	`krka`	`the best, no garbage`
`16:40.03`	`krka`	`2) function(...) return unpack(arg) end`
`16:40.04`	`Legorolo`	`Iriel: we are just debating what Lua does when compiled with compatibility for varargs`
`16:40.10`	`krka`	`worst, creates garbage`
`16:40.14`	`Legorolo`	`and the interaction of ... and arg`
`16:40.19`	`cogwheel`	`Still, I'm not against "forcing" people into better programming practices. ;)`
`16:40.30`	`krka`	`3) function(...) local a = ... return arg end`
`16:40.33`	`Legorolo`	`it's all moot since WoW won't have them, but interesting anyway :)`
`16:40.34`	`krka`	`arg = nil, and no garbage`
`16:40.42`	`krka`	`actually, i forgot one thing`
`16:40.45`	`tyroney`	`I've always found getting beaten over the head with something makes me learn it.`
`16:40.48`	`Legorolo`	`krka, what about this one:`
`16:40.49`	`krka`	`4) function(...) return end`
`16:40.51`	`krka`	`that creates garbage too`
`16:40.54`	`krka`	`with compat on`
`16:41.00`	`Iriel`	`It creates the table`
`16:41.00`	`krka`	`and that's the problematic one, i think`
`16:41.00`	`Legorolo`	`function(...) local b = arg[2]; local a = ... end`
`16:41.04`	`Legorolo`	`does that create arg?`
`16:41.07`	`krka`	`no`
`16:41.11`	`Iriel`	`if that's the question`
`16:41.16`	`Iriel`	`krka: are you sure?`
`16:41.18`	`krka`	`yes`
`16:41.26`	`Legorolo`	`yeah but the question is under which circumstances does it create the table`
`16:41.29`	`krka`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14682657&pageNo=2`
`16:41.33`	`krka`	`i was even quoted in that thread`
`16:41.39`	`Legorolo`	`from what krka is saying, having compat on is less harmful than it sounds at first sight`
`16:41.40`	`krka`	`in this case, i am for getting rid of compat`
`16:41.51`	`Legorolo`	`me three`
`16:41.58`	`krka`	`not much less though`
`16:42.17`	`krka`	`if compat is on, and you _always_ use ... in your function(...) functions, it is fine`
`16:42.25`	`krka`	`actually, i changed my mind`
`16:42.29`	`krka`	`i am for keeping compat on`
`16:42.45`	`krka`	`backwards compatible and still safe for coders who use it correctly`
`16:42.53`	`Iriel`	`I'm all for keeping compat OFF`
`16:42.56`	`krka`	`(us people)`
`16:42.58`	`Iriel`	`A clean break is good.`
`16:43.10`	`cogwheel`	`As an addon user as well as writer, I'd rather have the other writers forced to use ... to increase my performance`
`16:43.12`	`krka`	`also, garbage is less of a problem in lua 5.1`
`16:43.17`	`Cide`	`mods using deprecated behavior should break so that they get fixed :)`
`16:43.34`	`krka`	`then again, people are used to addons breaking, so no biggie i guess`
`16:43.42`	`cogwheel`	`purl, emulate cogwheel is Look... I use ... even ... more... elipses... now that wow... uses... lua 5.1...`
`16:43.45`	`purl`	`...but emulate cogwheel is already something else...`
`16:43.52`	`krka`	`lol`
`16:43.59`	`cogwheel`	`purl, no emulate cogwheel is Look... I use ... even ... more... elipses... now that wow... uses... lua 5.1...`
`16:44.00`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`16:44.17`	`krka`	`i think this is the first time i disagree with iriel :P`
`16:44.20`	`Cide`	`~emulate Cide`
`16:44.21`	`purl`	`Please remove this discussion from your consciousness.`
`16:44.26`	`Cide`	`haha`
`16:44.42`	`Iriel`	`Someone (it wasn't me) posted some of the 'arg' code in lua's implementation, and it seemed to be pretty conclustive`
`16:44.50`	`krka`	`can someone start a thread called "arg considered harmful"`
`16:44.52`	`Iriel`	`But i'm going to take a look myself since I installed it myself`
`16:45.00`	`krka`	`i read through that Iriel`
`16:45.44`	`Legorolo`	`krka: to answer your earlier question, yes that bug with table insert/remove was fixed in AT a long time ago`
`16:45.45`	`krka`	`basically p->is_vararg & VARARG_NEEDSARG will only be true if you're not using ... in the function`
`16:45.48`	`Legorolo`	`when i pointed it out`
`16:45.58`	`krka`	`case TK_DOTS: { /* vararg */`
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`16:45.59`	`krka`	`[snip]`
`16:46.05`	`krka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:46.11`	`krka`	`if that helps`
`16:46.19`	`krka`	`that's in lparser.c btw`
`16:47.13`	`Kirkburn1`	`Updated PTR post: "The PTRs will be coming up sometime after midnight tonight for the 1.12.1 testing phase."`
`16:47.13`	`Thumann`	`hi guys :) a command for executing a slash command.. as in.. i've made a button in my addon.. onclick should be /tm (target management in ctraid) i've looked everywhere more or less.. and i can't find how to execute this.. :(`
`16:47.47`	`cogwheel`	`Thumann, you can look in CTRA's code to find out what function the slash command calls`
`16:47.56`	`cogwheel`	`and then just call that function yourself`
`16:47.58`	`Iriel`	`krka: Aha, interesing, no wonder nobody spotted it because it's not inside an IFDEF`
`16:48.42`	`Iriel`	`krka: Though I still think dropping compatibility is wise.`
`16:48.44`	`krka`	`which explains why arg is nil in my example earlier`
`16:48.45`	`Legorolo`	`Thumann: you have several alternatives. e.g. you can look up the function that /tm would call, based on the slash command registration table`
`16:48.47`	`Elkano`	`1.12.1? changelog?`
`16:48.53`	`cogwheel`	`meh... I'd still rather run addons that i know aren't polluting my ram with extraneous tables ;)`
`16:49.14`	`Thumann`	`ShowUIPanel(CT_RATargetFrame); then?`
`16:49.14`	`krka`	`yay! i provided a fact!`
`16:49.16`	`Kirkburn1`	`1.12.1 changelog: http://wowi.pastey.net/582`
`16:49.16`	`krka`	`first time ever i think`
`16:49.41`	`Kirkburn1`	`(it's taken from a recent alpha BC patch, so likely not final)`
`16:49.44`	`Thumann`	`:s simple`
`16:52.59`	`wereHamster`	`It's true that item enchants and set-bonuses use a buff-slot..`
`16:52.59`	`Legorolo`	`Kirkburn1: are you sure it's a wise idea to post something like that?`
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`16:54.00`	`Gryphen`	`kinda late to question it Legorol`
`16:54.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`"The Blade of Eternal Darkness will now only proc when damage is done." why is that in every single damn patch for the last 5 patches?`
`16:54.12`	`krka`	`would be nice if lua avoided creating the table if arg is never used in the function`
`16:54.21`	`krka`	`very odd how it works now`
`16:54.39`	`Iriel`	`krka: Yeah, but it's much simpler this way`
`16:55.03`	`Kirkburn1`	`Legorol, I hardly see the problem with posting the patch notes :/ I've not downloaded the alpha`
`16:55.17`	`Legorolo`	`well i don't know that`
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`16:55.36`	`Legorolo`	`even then i'm pretty sure you can't post stuff like that, assuming those notes aren't fake`
`16:55.59`	`Gryphen`	`i doubt they are worried about it, happens every patch`
`16:56.05`	`Kirkburn1`	`Save me from the lawyers! :P`
`16:56.12`	`Abenadi`	`is there a string.find pattern that will give me the first occurence of a number (of any length), not the longest or shortest occurence?`
`16:56.20`	`Iriel`	`Yes`
`16:56.29`	`Iriel`	`"^.?(\d+)"`
`16:56.30`	`Kirkburn1`	`Legorolo, they're definately not fake :)`
`16:56.36`	`Iriel`	`Oops, sorry, one sec`
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`16:56.41`	`Iriel`	`"^.-(\d+)"`
`16:56.42`	`Iriel`	`there`
`16:56.48`	`Abenadi`	`thank you!`
`16:56.54`	`Kirkburn1`	`Looks like you're doing ASCII art :P`
`16:56.57`	`Legorolo`	`Kirkburn1: well the only way for you to know they are not fake would be if someone in the Alpha gave them to you`
`16:56.59`	`tyroney`	`behold the power of regex`
`16:57.15`	`Legorolo`	`in which case that person would've committed grievous breach of some sort of NDA`
`16:57.42`	`Legorolo`	`anyway, i'm not going to argue with you over this, you clearly dont' think it's wrong to post it, so...`
`16:57.47`	`Kirkburn1`	`Come now, aren't you taking this a little too seriously?`
`16:57.57`	`Cairenn`	`no, actually he's taking it precisely right`
`16:58.07`	`Legorolo`	`i'd take it very seriously if i got hold of any sensitive info`
`16:58.13`	`Legorolo`	`even if it was by accident or via a 3rd party`
`16:58.21`	`Iriel`	`Anyone who'd ever want to be part of a blizzard alpha or beta would want to take it seriously.`
`16:58.26`	`Kirkburn1`	`sigh I'm just talking common sense`
`16:58.40`	`Iriel`	`If you post leaked content, regardless of whether you actually downloaded it yourself, you could find yourself blacklisted as untrustworthy`
`16:58.42`	`Legorolo`	`common sense, at least mine, tells me that i don't publicise info i know i'm not supposed to`
`16:58.57`	`Legorolo`	`whatever the source`
`16:59.10`	`krka`	`not sure how it's much simpler`
`16:59.20`	`krka`	`the parser would just have to search for "arg" in the function body`
`16:59.23`	`Kirkburn1`	`This is silly`
`16:59.29`	`krka`	`instead of searching for "..."`
`16:59.34`	`Legorolo`	`Kirkburn1: you are actually doing worse than what zeeg did with posting item models from PTR`
`16:59.41`	`Gryphen`	`sigh`
`16:59.42`	`Legorolo`	`at least in my opinion`
`16:59.54`	`Legorolo`	`but we clearly won't agree on this, so let's drop it`
`17:00.00`	`krka`	`he's not here`
`17:00.08`	`Legorolo`	`oh lol`
`17:00.12`	`Legorolo`	`didn't notice :)`
`17:00.25`	`Iriel`	`Well, perhaps there are upvalue considerations?`
`17:01.08`	`Legorolo`	`how about if the function has:`
`17:01.11`	`Legorolo`	`local arg = 2`
`17:01.21`	`Legorolo`	`it would have to distinguish that from table access`
`17:01.28`	`Legorolo`	`and there might be trickier situations too`
`17:01.35`	`krka`	`the parser could make the distinction`
`17:01.36`	`Legorolo`	`you basically have to do a full parse, don't you`
`17:01.44`	`Iriel`	`But making the distincytion would be more overhead`
`17:01.56`	`krka`	`not really`
`17:02.03`	`Iriel`	`I dont think we're saying it's impossible (or even difficult), but it's significantly easier to do what they did.`
`17:02.06`	`krka`	`the parser always knows what it's currently parsing`
`17:02.17`	`krka`	`"ok, i am inside an argument list now"`
`17:02.34`	`krka`	`"found an argument called arg, turn off NEEDS_ARG`
`17:03.08`	`Legorolo`	`it gets hairy though.. how about:`
`17:03.10`	`krka`	`"didn't found any reference to an 'arg' variable, turn off NEEDS_ARG"`
`17:03.13`	`Legorolo`	`arg[3] = "blah"`
`17:03.31`	`krka`	`that's a case of using old style`
`17:03.43`	`krka`	`i think my two simple rules cover everything :)`
`17:03.47`	`Iriel`	`Indeed, but that's the way you're arguing about it`
`17:04.00`	`Legorolo`	`ok i think i got a bit confused here`
`17:04.02`	`Iriel`	`if arg isn't referenced in the old way, then DONT turn off needs arg`
`17:04.28`	`krka`	`let me rephrase it`
`17:04.29`	`Iriel`	`but multiple args in different scopes, and upvalues, make doing that well non-trivial (even if not DIFFICULT)`
`17:04.32`	`Iriel`	`what about`
`17:04.32`	`Legorolo`	`questions: 1) what does the NEEDS_ARG flag mean`
`17:04.43`	`Iriel`	`function blah(...) return function() return arg; end end`
`17:04.48`	`krka`	`1) if it finds a local called arg in the function before any usage of arg as a variable, turn off old-style`
`17:04.52`	`Iriel`	`The parser isn't IN the ... function when it makes the determination that arg is used`
`17:05.07`	`krka`	`actually, scratch that`
`17:05.11`	`Iriel`	`it's much easier to say 'if you use ... then you want to use the new style'`
`17:05.16`	`krka`	`1) assume arg is not used`
`17:05.31`	`Iriel`	`It's not really worth them bothering about significantly because this is a transitional compatibility setting`
`17:05.33`	`krka`	`2) if arg is found, and it's before any declaration of a local arg, go to old style`
`17:05.37`	`krka`	`done`
`17:05.46`	`Iriel`	`Anyone who uses it in new code is being dumb, just like people who still dont use pairs`
`17:06.03`	`Legorolo`	`i don't use pairs...`
`17:06.03`	`krka`	`yes i agree`
`17:06.08`	`Legorolo`	`i use "next, t" :P`
`17:06.14`	`Legorolo`	`saves a function call`
`17:06.15`	`krka`	`just saying the compatibility mode could be done smarter`
`17:06.17`	`krka`	`and without much work`
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`17:06.26`	`Iriel`	`krka: Submit a patch 8-)`
`17:06.35`	`krka`	`i could do that i guess`
`17:06.38`	`Iriel`	`krka: I just bet you'll find it's more than the one line they have now`
`17:06.48`	`krka`	`gonna try, just for fun :)`
`17:07.03`	`Legorolo`	`would you guys mind clarifying a bit for me (i'm lost):`
`17:07.08`	`zylex`	`hi could anyone tell me what this does? ------> _,:)`
`17:07.09`	`Legorolo`	`what's the current behaviour, in short?`
`17:07.09`	`zylex`	`_,'`
`17:07.16`	`zylex`	`_,`
`17:07.17`	`Abenadi`	`Iriel: running this ---- print(string.find("abc 123 def 456","^.-(\d+)")); ---- results in "1 9 d". Can you tell me what's wrong or point me to a good resource on all the string pattern elements?`
`17:07.18`	`Iriel`	`Current being lua 5.0?`
`17:07.28`	`Legorolo`	`no, 5.1, with compat turned on`
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`17:07.35`	`Abenadi`	`I want to print just 123 in that example`
`17:07.38`	`Iriel`	`Abenadi : Oh, I got my languages mixed up %d not \d`
`17:07.58`	`Iriel`	`Legorol if you have ... params, and DONT reference ... in your code, then arg is created, otherwise it's not`
`17:08.16`	`Legorolo`	`hm, what happens with:`
`17:08.26`	`Abenadi`	`ok, now I get "1 7 123", I am just running LUA from the command line, maybe i misunderstand what the first two numbers mean`
`17:08.27`	`Legorolo`	`function a(...) function b() dostuff with ... end end`
`17:08.31`	`Legorolo`	`or is that not valid syntax?`
`17:08.32`	`Iriel`	`and since ... doesn't become an upvalue, that cleans up some of my mess`
`17:08.37`	`Iriel`	`That's invalid`
`17:08.40`	`Legorolo`	`right`
`17:08.41`	`Iriel`	`b doesnt have varargs`
`17:08.55`	`zylex`	`what does this thing do? _,`
`17:09.02`	`Iriel`	`Abenadi : index of start of match, index of end of match, first capture`
`17:09.13`	`Abenadi`	`oh i see, thank you`
`17:09.29`	`Iriel`	`Abenadi : Usually we ditch the first 2 values, I believe lua 5.1 has string.match (or somesuch) that doesn't even bother returning them`
`17:09.53`	`Iriel`	`zylex : _ is just a variable name, idiomatically it's generally used for throwaway values`
`17:10.21`	`zylex`	`k`
`17:10.26`	`Legorolo`	`ok Iriel thanks for the explanation`
`17:10.33`	`Legorolo`	`what happens when compat is turned off?`
`17:10.52`	`zylex`	`so what are the differents in this "_, eval = GetWorldStateUIInfo(team+1);" and this "eval = GetWorldStateUIInfo(team+1);"`
`17:10.53`	`Legorolo`	`is that correct that ... is still flagged in some fashion?`
`17:11.20`	`cogwheel`	`when compat's turned off, it never creates arg`
`17:11.47`	`Iriel`	`When it's off then arg is never created, everything else remains the same`
`17:12.12`	`Iriel`	`zylex : In the first, eval is the SECOND return from GetWorldStateUIInfo, and in the second case, it's the first return value.`
`17:12.24`	`zylex`	`ok thanks alot :)`
`17:12.25`	`cogwheel`	`zylex, GetWorldStateUIInfo probably returns two values. If you leave off _, then eval would be set to the first return from the function`
`17:12.37`	`Iriel`	`zylex : So if GetWorldStateUIInfo returned "a","b", then eval would be "b" in the first case, and "a" in the second`
`17:12.38`	`zylex`	`i think it returns 5 values`
`17:12.42`	`zylex`	`and after patch 10 :S`
`17:13.00`	`zylex`	`an addon i use got broken after patch so im trying to fix it`
`17:13.12`	`zylex`	`not going so well tho :)`
`17:13.15`	`Shadowed`	`cogwheel: GetWorldStateUIInfo returns like 5 if i remember right`
`17:13.25`	`Shadowed`	`zylex: which addon?`
`17:13.33`	`zylex`	`Abestimatedfinalscore`
`17:13.36`	`Shadowed`	`ah`
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`17:14.02`	`zylex`	`and i think bliz changed getworldstateuiinfo to 10 values`
`17:14.03`	`Shadowed`	`Nothing was changed in GetWorldStateUIInfo, anchoring (depending what you anchored too) may need updating.`
`17:14.05`	`zylex`	`after patch`
`17:15.36`	`zylex`	`anchoring?`
`17:16.27`	`Shadowed`	`They moved the always on top frames down a little bit, so depending what you were anchoring your frame too you may need to change positioning.`
`17:17.48`	`zylex`	`thing is i can get frame to show`
`17:17.53`	`zylex`	`in a macro`
`17:18.00`	`zylex`	`but it vanish right after something is updated in bg`
`17:18.08`	`zylex`	`like resources or if someone captures a flag`
`17:18.25`	`Shadowed`	`He'd have to be doing something weirdly then`
`17:18.44`	`krka`	`man, it's hard to read other peoples code`
`17:18.45`	`zylex`	`huh?`
`17:18.49`	`krka`	`just one more thing to do i think`
`17:19.10`	`Shadowed`	`There was no special change to the events that would cause them to do that unless he's doing some obscure method of hiding/showing the frame`
`17:19.11`	`Abenadi`	`if I say "local a,b,c" does this make all 3 local?`
`17:19.21`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
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`17:19.55`	`Abenadi`	`ty`
`17:20.08`	`zylex`	`Shadowed: would you mind take a look at the addon? you might see the error/wierd thing right away`
`17:20.39`	`Shadowed`	`I'm heading out in 5 mins, would have to be later`
`17:20.55`	`krka`	`have to find where it looks up variables`
`17:20.56`	`zylex`	`k`
`17:20.57`	`krka`	`grr`
`17:23.33`	`Iriel`	`searchvar and indexupvalue I think krka`
`17:23.56`	`Iriel`	`oh, searchvaraux is involved as well`
`17:24.07`	`Iriel`	`and some others`
`17:24.18`	`krka`	`eys! found singlevar`
`17:24.26`	`krka`	`think that's what i want`
`17:25.21`	`tyroney`	`zylex: have a handy download link?`
`17:26.55`	`zylex`	`yea`
`17:27.00`	`zylex`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1421`
`17:27.30`	`krka`	`now time to make`
`17:27.34`	`krka`	`if it works, i pwn`
`17:27.34`	`tyroney`	`Oh well.`
`17:27.53`	`krka`	`20 minutes to read other peoples code and do my patch, if all goes well`
`17:28.12`	`Iriel`	`Plus testing time krka`
`17:28.26`	`Iriel`	`making sure it works for local and upvalue references, doesn't get fooled by replacement locals, etc`
`17:28.32`	`Shadowed`	`i remember looking through that god`
`17:28.35`	`Shadowed`	`it's pretty bad`
`17:28.47`	`krka`	`it compiled!`
`17:28.48`	`krka`	`yay`
`17:28.56`	`krka`	`yeah, i know it probably won't work :)`
`17:29.03`	`zylex`	`Shadowed you mean abesti addon?`
`17:29.12`	`Tem`	`krka, what are you working on?`
`17:29.14`	`Shadowed`	`yes`
`17:29.38`	`zylex`	`the addons is very accurate when it works`
`17:30.01`	`tyroney`	`I'll be back in about an hour with anything I find.`
`17:30.07`	`Shadowed`	`they use an onupdate handler to check if the player is in AB`
`17:30.22`	`zylex`	`is that bad?:)`
`17:30.26`	`Shadowed`	`yes`
`17:30.36`	`krka`	`hmm`
`17:30.40`	`krka`	`how do i compile with compat flag on?`
`17:30.47`	`Iriel`	`OH! I realize why they changed it`
`17:30.54`	`Iriel`	`krka: Edit lua.h or lconfig.h`
`17:31.11`	`Iriel`	`Because with your (krka's) solution, you can never use a global called arg from a vararg function with compat compiled in`
`17:31.16`	`Iriel`	`but with theirs, you can`
`17:31.22`	`zylex`	`Shadowed: think you can fix it so it works again?`
`17:31.38`	`Shadowed`	`not likely`
`17:31.53`	`Shadowed`	`i'm working on my own version of estimated stuff anyway for my mod`
`17:32.27`	`zylex`	`this one is the ultimate one ;S`
`17:32.27`	`zylex`	`:>`
`17:32.34`	`Shadowed`	`Doesn't appear to be very ultimate if it doesn't work`
`17:32.48`	`zylex`	`hehe well i meant when it does work`
`17:33.04`	`zylex`	`it looks nice, and is accurate to the very second`
`17:33.09`	`Shadowed`	`which it doesn't, soooo not very useful regardless :p`
`17:33.16`	`zylex`	`hehe :)`
`17:33.23`	`Shadowed`	`anyway. back later`
`17:33.26`	`zylex`	`cya`
`17:35.47`	`krka`	`you mixed it up Iriel, it's the other way around`
`17:35.57`	`krka`	`hmm`
`17:36.00`	`krka`	`or let me read it again`
`17:36.16`	`Iriel`	`arg = "hello" function(...) return select('#', ...), arg end`
`17:36.18`	`krka`	`no you're right`
`17:36.21`	`Kaso`	`Is there any 1.12.1 patch notes around yet?`
`17:37.16`	`Legorolo`	`Iriel & krka: i actually read the C code yay! now i understand the current implementation`
`17:37.31`	`Legorolo`	`Iriel: i don't think you are entirely correct, since teh function uses ...`
`17:37.36`	`Legorolo`	`hence there is no need to create the arg table`
`17:37.41`	`Legorolo`	`the full logic should be:`
`17:37.46`	`Legorolo`	`a) if function uses ..., no need for arg`
`17:37.58`	`krka`	`ok, so this was harder than i though`
`17:37.58`	`Legorolo`	`b) otherwise, if function references arg, need to make it`
`17:38.23`	`Legorolo`	`basically to me it seems like you need to combine the current implementation, and krka's proposed looking for arg`
`17:38.58`	`Legorolo`	`painful for my eyes!`
`17:39.28`	`Legorolo`	`fs->f->is_vararg &= ~VARARG_NEEDSARG; <= needed to think about this one, not used to bit-wise flag manipulation expressions ;-)`
`17:39.49`	`Legorolo`	`anyway, i'm out, laters!`
`17:39.51`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Legorolo (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk)`
`17:40.27`	`Iriel`	`krka: It was a good exercise tho`
`17:42.09`	`Cide`	`heh - "Text Search Disabled" on the forums`
`17:42.11`	`krka`	`yes`
`17:42.16`	`Cide`	`so much for "working search".. :(`
`17:42.39`	`krka`	`yay, segmentation fault`
`17:42.40`	`krka`	`i rule`
`17:42.50`	`krka`	`so might have introduced some instability`
`17:43.02`	`Iriel`	`that's normal when editing someone else's C code`
`17:43.35`	`jaxdahl`	`is there a wowwiki page for wow forum memes?`
`17:44.15`	`krka`	`yeah i know`
`17:44.30`	`krka`	`i have no idea what i am doing`
`17:51.21`	`krka`	`think i made it work!`
`17:51.23`	`krka`	`yay`
`18:00.46`	`krka`	`anyone want to see my patch?`
`18:01.00`	`krka`	`i am sure you can find lots of bugs in it Iriel :)`
`18:01.14`	`krka`	`still... 50 minutes to make a patch for code you've never looked at before`
`18:01.17`	`krka`	`i r00l`
`18:01.21`	`Iriel`	`I'd like a quick summary of which functions you had to change and what the new logic in each was, if that's not too much bother?`
`18:01.30`	`Iriel`	`I'm curious to know your approach`
`18:01.41`	`krka`	`sure`
`18:01.46`	`krka`	`it's a very small patch`
`18:02.14`	`krka`	`http://pastey.net/660`
`18:03.16`	`Iriel`	`I dont agree with the block starting at line 20`
`18:03.49`	`Iriel`	`function breakit(...) local x = arg; local arg = 7; return x; end`
`18:04.19`	`krka`	`hmm`
`18:04.40`	`krka`	`meh :P`
`18:05.00`	`krka`	`what's wrong with it?`
`18:05.15`	`Iriel`	`well, you declare arg unneeded as soon as you see a local called arg`
`18:05.35`	`Iriel`	`Oh, maybe you covered that already with your 2nd flag`
`18:05.44`	`krka`	`mine works the same way as lua 5.1`
`18:05.49`	`krka`	`(for that case)`
`18:06.02`	`krka`	`i am sure you can find a bug in it thuogh`
`18:06.02`	`Iriel`	`how about this case?`
`18:06.14`	`krka`	`since i never thought it through very properly`
`18:06.17`	`Iriel`	`function breakit(...) do local arg = 7; end return arg ; end`
`18:06.32`	`krka`	`ooh, interesting`
`18:07.03`	`krka`	`works the same way`
`18:07.19`	`Iriel`	`really? interesting`
`18:07.23`	`krka`	`returns the table`
`18:07.57`	`krka`	`function breakit(...) local arg = 7; return arg ; end`
`18:07.59`	`krka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:08.00`	`krka`	`7`
`18:08.48`	`Iriel`	`I'm not sure I can figure out HOW you dodge it`
`18:09.12`	`krka`	`do ... end maybe makes it in a new block`
`18:09.18`	`krka`	`so ls->fs points to something else`
`18:09.25`	`krka`	`or something`
`18:09.31`	`krka`	`i haven't looked through the code enough`
`18:09.42`	`Iriel`	`That may be the case, but ls->fs->f should point back to the function, how about this?`
`18:10.02`	`Iriel`	`function testit(...) local x do x = arg; end return x; end`
`18:10.11`	`krka`	`maybe it ignores the do ... end block until it finishes the normal scope`
`18:10.29`	`krka`	`> function testit(...) local x do x = arg; end return x; end`
`18:10.30`	`krka`	`> print(testit(1,2,3))`
`18:10.30`	`krka`	`table: 0x807cac8`
`18:10.54`	`Iriel`	`Are you sure that when you do:`
`18:10.59`	`Iriel`	`function testit(...) return 7; end`
`18:11.04`	`Iriel`	`Your code doesn't create arg?`
`18:11.11`	`krka`	`with my solution, there is always an implicit local arg though`
`18:11.13`	`krka`	`that's a bad thing`
`18:11.21`	`krka`	`maybe i can get rid off it somehow`
`18:11.24`	`krka`	`but that will be more work`
`18:11.40`	`krka`	`no, i let the old parser do it`
`18:11.46`	`krka`	`i tried to change as little as possible`
`18:11.58`	`krka`	`hmm, let me check`
`18:12.07`	`krka`	`i can add some printfs to the part that creates it if you want`
`18:12.12`	`Iriel`	`That would explain some of the behavior`
`18:12.29`	`Iriel`	`That may be interesting`
`18:12.48`	`Iriel`	`because as far as the INTENT of your changes is concerned, the do end breakit shouldn't work`
`18:12.58`	`Iriel`	`I misphrased that`
`18:13.11`	`Iriel`	`as far as the CODE of your changes is concerned 8-)`
`18:13.20`	`Iriel`	`The intent is fairly clear - never create arg unless it's referenced`
`18:13.54`	`krka`	`> function testit(...) return 7; end`
`18:13.54`	`krka`	`> print(testit(1,2,3))`
`18:13.54`	`krka`	`Creating arg table`
`18:13.54`	`krka`	`7`
`18:13.56`	`Iriel`	`I have a feeling you left VARARG_NEEDSARG set somewhere`
`18:13.56`	`krka`	`ack! i fail it`
`18:14.09`	`Iriel`	`When ... is found in the params, I suspect`
`18:14.14`	`Iriel`	`since I dont see a patch to take that out`
`18:14.41`	`krka`	`woops`
`18:14.44`	`krka`	`you're right`
`18:14.58`	`krka`	`line 574 of my version?`
`18:15.48`	`krka`	`> function testit(...) return 7; end print(testit(1,2,3))`
`18:15.49`	`krka`	`7`
`18:15.58`	`krka`	`which do you want me to run again?`
`18:16.10`	`krka`	`function breakit(...) do local arg = 7; end return arg ; end`
`18:16.24`	`krka`	`> function breakit(...) do local arg = 7; end return arg ; end print(breakit(1,2,3))`
`18:16.28`	`krka`	`nil`
`18:16.30`	`krka`	`>`
`18:16.48`	`krka`	`you were right :)`
`18:16.50`	`krka`	`as always`
`18:17.16`	`Iriel`	`well, not as always, as you demonstrated earlier 8-)`
`18:17.50`	`krka`	`no rules without exceptions`
`18:17.54`	`krka`	`maybe i can fix it though`
`18:17.58`	`krka`	`will need to consider scopes`
`18:18.04`	`Iriel`	`I think the cleanest fix to the re-definition problem is actually to check the index of 'arg' in the local variable table`
`18:18.14`	`Iriel`	`and check it against the 'special' one`
`18:18.20`	`krka`	`special one?`
`18:18.29`	`Iriel`	`The one created when VARARGS are present`
`18:18.41`	`krka`	`hm`
`18:18.46`	`Iriel`	`you can probably abandon the whole of the new_localvar code`
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`18:19.05`	`krka`	`well, you've already proven it's more work than you think it is`
`18:19.11`	`krka`	`especially more work than the current solution`
`18:19.21`	`Iriel`	`I suppose so 8-), Well, more work than YOU thought it was.`
`18:19.27`	`krka`	`yeah`
`18:19.33`	`Iriel`	`I do have the advantage of having written a lua parser myself`
`18:19.41`	`krka`	`then again, Roberto could probably implement my idea better`
`18:19.46`	`Iriel`	`so I had some foresight 8-)`
`18:19.56`	`Iriel`	`Yeah, I think the only flaw in your design is the global arg one`
`18:20.11`	`krka`	`global arg flaw?`
`18:20.15`	`Iriel`	`and combining your piece with their ... piece would be a pretty tight solution BUT`
`18:20.31`	`krka`	`you mean if ... is present, arg should refer to the global?`
`18:20.32`	`Iriel`	`global arg flaw == you always have a local called arg`
`18:20.38`	`Iriel`	`krka: Yeah`
`18:20.39`	`Iriel`	`BUT`
`18:20.51`	`krka`	`i like your big BUT`
`18:21.10`	`Iriel`	`The real question is, should we be protecting people who declare a vararg function but use NEITHER ... or arg within it?`
`18:21.20`	`Iriel`	`That's an incredibly wasteful thing to do, with no benefit`
`18:21.24`	`krka`	`yes`
`18:21.33`	`krka`	`if so, the current compat works fine enough`
`18:21.38`	`Iriel`	`exactly`
`18:21.51`	`Iriel`	`if by 'if so' you mean 'if there's no need to protect them'`
`18:21.51`	`krka`	`this is a solution looking for a problem`
`18:21.53`	`krka`	`yeah`
`18:21.56`	`krka`	`that's what i meant`
`18:22.02`	`Iriel`	`those are the most fun solutions, lots of the time tho`
`18:22.11`	`krka`	`well, it was fun to tinker with the lua source anyway`
`18:22.12`	`Iriel`	`I enjoyed it, at any rate 8-)`
`18:22.22`	`krka`	`it's quite nicely written`
`18:22.30`	`krka`	`and the makefile gives you no trouble at all`
`18:22.54`	`krka`	`aanyway, i still think blizz should leave compat on`
`18:23.03`	`cogwheel`	`makefile's fine until you want to compile it with VC`
`18:23.09`	`cogwheel`	`;)`
`18:23.19`	`krka`	`who does that?`
`18:23.46`	`cogwheel`	`I did for http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5300`
`18:24.51`	`Iriel`	`I view the compat thing as something you use when you have a lot of established code and know you'll be porting it all over but need to stay running in the interim.`
`18:25.17`	`Iriel`	`The effect of breaking compatibility on the 2.0 release is going to be, in general, less contentious, than having compat enabled, but disabling it for say 2.7`
`18:25.37`	`krka`	`true`
`18:25.38`	`Iriel`	`Because, as with any compatibility option, it's intended as a short term crutch that SHOULD be removed eventually`
`18:25.53`	`krka`	`you make a good argument`
`18:26.01`	`Iriel`	`And really, anyone who IS using ... today, NEEDS to be forced to update their code, for the sake of the user experience.`
`18:26.08`	`Cairenn`	`lol ... In WoW 2.0, Interface codes you!`
`18:26.11`	`cogwheel`	`and for those of us who use pairs/ipairs like good little Luabies, it's pretty much just a matter of global search for arg and getn...`
`18:26.28`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com)`
`18:26.37`	`Qzot`	`Heyo.`
`18:26.37`	`Iriel`	`Some of my table re-use tricks might not work as cleanly with the new getn rules`
`18:26.43`	`Cairenn`	`hi Qzot`
`18:26.50`	`Iriel`	`Wow, another blue moon?`
`18:27.08`	`Qzot`	`The blue moon was that I was writing addon code, and it's faded.`
`18:27.18`	`Iriel`	`oh, ah well 8-(`
`18:27.19`	`Qzot`	`Back to the design board.`
`18:27.34`	`Qzot`	`But I think I've got 3 interlocking mods, and may take a stab at #2.`
`18:27.35`	`krka`	`time to continue working my lua sandbox`
`18:27.56`	`Qzot`	`I'm looking for feedback, if you want to comment.`
`18:31.20`	`Thumann`	`hi guys.. i've started working on a addon for my guild.. i'm trying out this "WoW UI Designer" program.. should i hurry up and close it.. or is it 'okay' ?`
`18:31.27`	`cogwheel`	`heh... some of the lua test programs that come with the 5.1 source aren't strictly 5.1 compatible...`
`18:31.51`	`cogwheel`	`Thumann, it's 'okay'... You can usually trust downloads from wowinterface.com`
`18:31.52`	`Iriel`	`Qzot: This channel's usually a reasonable place to find feedback 8-)`
`18:32.15`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: i was more thinking about the functionality of the program`
`18:33.25`	`cogwheel`	`Thumann: It really depends on what you want to do with it. There are some things it's not capable of and others it's not incredibly good at (but that's true with pretty much any visual development environment--and you can always get around its limitations with manual coding)`
`18:33.40`	`Qzot`	`Iriel: Depends on whether other conversations are taking place, and if anyone's listening. :D`
`18:34.30`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: aye.. the visual part is super easy.. but when i try to add bits and pieces.. it wont load the xml file in the 'design' mode any more.. like i've broken it or something.. though the result in wow looks allright`
`18:34.36`	`tyroney`	`Qzot: like that one day when people started arguing protection vs not teanking.`
`18:35.14`	`cogwheel`	`thumann, i believe it states pretty explicitly that it can't handle XML that it didn't make itself... That's part of the problem I had with it for some of my other addons`
`18:35.37`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: aha.. rtfm :>`
`18:35.49`	`Iriel`	`Qzot: True, I suppose -- well, i'm listening at the moment 8-)`
`18:35.50`	`cogwheel`	`TBH, the XML it generates is rather bloated as it doesn't take advantage of font templates and other XML goodies`
`18:36.12`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: no, it seems to alot _alot_ of code to just a simple button`
`18:37.00`	`Thumann`	`any good alternatives? or do i just need to do most of the coding manually?`
`18:37.11`	`Qzot`	`QzReady: For 5-man groups, leaders holds ctrl down, and sweeps mouse across mobs for next pull. Releases ctrl, presses alt, and sweeps same mobs, when are then marked for crowd control. Mark assignments are persistent while group remains unchanged.`
`18:37.11`	`cogwheel`	`It's really the only visual one out there...`
`18:37.37`	`cogwheel`	`Another approach would be to create your interface in lua code... then just grab yourself an addon like LuaSlinger and do your testing in-game`
`18:37.42`	`cogwheel`	`without the need to reload`
`18:37.58`	`Thumann`	`aha`
`18:37.59`	`Qzot`	`QzSet: After leader marks mobs for crowd control, marks will start blinking (say 0.9 secs on, 0.1 secs off) when party members acquire their assigned CC target.`
`18:38.22`	`Beladona`	`addon testing is so much fun...`
`18:38.37`	`cogwheel`	`Or hybrid the two... make it in XML, tweak it via lua in-game, and then modify the XML based on your tweaks`
`18:38.46`	`Beladona`	`I have to go get myself killed 5 times so I can test my new durability guage`
`18:38.58`	`Cairenn`	`the things we do for our art`
`18:39.00`	`cogwheel`	`I prefer having my static interface elements in XML because the organization is more logical`
`18:39.14`	`Thumann`	`i see`
`18:39.25`	`Iriel`	`Qzot: Hm, using different key bindings for the two sweeps sounds awkward`
`18:39.30`	`Iriel`	`Qzot: Couldn't you just have them release and re-press within a time limit, with a different key for 'reset'`
`18:39.45`	`Qzot`	`QzGo: During combat, each mob targeted by one or more party members will be marked with the mark of one of the players. There is a priority to the marks, so that the Main Assist > Main Tank > etc > clothies, with the result that it should be very obvious when a clothie is pulling agro on some random mob that isn't being killed or tanked.`
`18:39.56`	`yacoob`	`Qzot: what addon are you talking about?`
`18:39.57`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge beNson (i=beNson@pD9537D79.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:40.16`	`Qzot`	`yacoob: A set of 3 addons I'm in the process of writing.`
`18:40.17`	`Iriel`	`that last one sounds handy, even for larger raids`
`18:40.30`	`Beladona`	`using default raid icons?`
`18:40.35`	`yacoob`	`Qzot: aha. Because it sounds interesting - good luck :)`
`18:40.37`	`Qzot`	`QzSet should speed up 45 minute barons as well.`
`18:40.47`	`Qzot`	`"default" raid icons?`
`18:41.02`	`Beladona`	`the icons that can be set by group/raid leaders`
`18:41.10`	`Beladona`	`and their assists`
`18:41.12`	`Qzot`	`Those are the ones I'm talking about, yes.`
`18:41.14`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: LuaSlinger v1.1.4 is the newest version? ui.worldofwar says it's 4 months old`
`18:41.30`	`cogwheel`	`It still works like a charm`
`18:41.33`	`Beladona`	`how does it handle smart icon setting?`
`18:41.39`	`Qzot`	`I'm only thinking of parties atm, tho, not raids, because with a party it's clear who set the icon.`
`18:41.43`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: good :)`
`18:41.46`	`cogwheel`	`You should also pick up ForAllIndentsAndPurposes and if you want MonoLua`
`18:41.56`	`Qzot`	`I don't think I know about smart icon setting.`
`18:42.05`	`Beladona`	`in other words, if I mark a sheep target, will it remove that icon if the addon wants to use it?`
`18:42.14`	`Beladona`	`i.e. use the same icon on something else`
`18:42.23`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: and do i want that? :)`
`18:42.39`	`Beladona`	`the issue I have is, what about groups where we actually use the icons already`
`18:42.42`	`Cairenn`	`cogwheel: shorter version of "you should get this and that" - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat35.html`
`18:42.43`	`cogwheel`	`If you like coding in a fixed width font, then yes :)`
`18:42.43`	`Qzot`	`I've listed 3 compatible addons. Which one are you concerned about?`
`18:43.13`	`cogwheel`	`heh, Cairenn... Though Luaslinger's only on ui.worldofwar.net atm...`
`18:43.15`	`Iriel`	`Beladona : I think Qzot's addons are intended for groups which do NOT wish to manually control the icons`
`18:43.19`	`Qzot`	`beladone: QzSet and QzGo would not require you to use QzReady.`
`18:43.27`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, well`
`18:43.28`	`Qzot`	`Iriel: No.`
`18:44.07`	`Qzot`	`Irial/Beladona: QzReady requires use of control and alt keys. If you want manual assignment, you wouldn't use QzReady, or you would use QzReady, and then manually tweak.`
`18:44.40`	`Qzot`	`Over time, QzReady might be better and better, but personal prefs will guarantee it can't mark every pull as every leader would like3.`
`18:45.21`	`Beladona`	`I can see some uses to having an icon system that uses fuzzy logic though. For example, auto-tag a mob with an icon if it jumps on the main healer... but let me continue to use icons manually for other things`
`18:45.36`	`Qzot`	`Once you're in combat, however, if you're using QzGo, it would overwrite those icons. But presumably, that's what you want if QzGo is active.`
`18:45.37`	`Beladona`	`too abd we can't add more icons....`
`18:45.57`	`Qzot`	`Yeah.`
`18:46.07`	`Beladona`	`I use icons a lot in my groups / raids`
`18:46.12`	`Beladona`	`but I like what you are doing`
`18:46.12`	`Qzot`	`Also realize there's no way to mark a mob unless someone in the group has him targeted.`
`18:46.14`	`Beladona`	`so I am torn`
`18:46.38`	`cogwheel`	`I honestly didn't think they'd implement raid targets... I was hoping for some kind of gnomish pointing device to work like hunter's mark... comes in different colors, chance to blind party members... ;)`
`18:47.03`	`tyroney`	`cogwheel: That would be the awesomest thing ever. Well, almost.`
`18:47.05`	`Iriel`	`I wish hunters marks were different between hunters`
`18:47.32`	`Iriel`	`I think a chance to mark party members and give the enemy the same advantages a proper mark gives us`
`18:47.56`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. Another possibility for QzGo, would be to prioritize marking a mob with the mark associated with his target, assuming the targeting is mutual.`
`18:48.06`	`tyroney`	`What if hunter's mark stacked? And for every extra application, the mark gets bigger and brighter. A full raid of hunters could create a new sun.`
`18:48.30`	`Qzot`	`Should be almost the same as previous description of behavior, but everyone gets immediate alert when agro changes.`
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`18:52.14`	`Qzot`	`Beladona: Can you describe how you're torn?`
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`18:54.36`	`Thumann`	`What version of lua does wow use now? or can i just look on the latest lua manual?`
`18:54.45`	`Qzot`	`ye0`
`18:54.47`	`Qzot`	`5.0`
`18:54.54`	`Thumann`	`ok :)`
`18:55.03`	`Mikk`	`googling "lua manual" gets you the 5.0 one =)`
`18:55.14`	`Qzot`	`Um. Really?`
`18:55.18`	`Thumann`	`i was allready on the page..`
`18:55.22`	`Thumann`	`just had to choose which one :)`
`18:55.29`	`Mikk`	`Qzot: yep, first hit`
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`18:55.46`	`Mikk`	`Assuming you're not using personalized search, obviously`
`18:55.55`	`Mikk`	`if so, all bets are off =)`
`18:57.52`	`krka`	`my lua sandbox is coming along nicely!`
`18:57.58`	`krka`	`this is kinda fun`
`18:58.11`	`cogwheel`	`krka, what's your sandbox do?`
`18:59.16`	`Iriel`	`It's got sand, and pebbles, and a red castle, and a spade, and shells, and a blue ball, and..`
`18:59.26`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`18:59.41`	`cogwheel`	`I want a red castle!!!! zomg hax!`
`19:02.57`	`Beladona`	`sorry was afk`
`19:02.57`	`Cairenn`	`it's just a castle shaped pail turned upside down, krka's a faker!`
`19:03.02`	`cladhair1`	`pant`
`19:03.04`	`cladhair1`	`England in 4 hours`
`19:03.05`	`cladhair1`	`gasp`
`19:03.20`	`Cairenn`	`gonna miss you!!! /sniffle`
`19:03.29`	`Iriel`	`Whoo!`
`19:03.29`	`cladhaire`	`I'm meeting with Simon Thompson at 4:00... O.o`
`19:03.54`	`Iriel`	`Now, presumably your'e LEAVING for england in 4 hours, and not somehow teleporting there?`
`19:04.14`	`Beladona`	`Qzot: I had the idea of auto-icons a while back, but the issue then is the same as now. How to make the addon smart enough NOT to use an icon if it is already used. I just don't think there are enough icons for it to be super effective. The only thing I can see doing is adding more icons, which unfortunately we can't do yet.`
`19:04.17`	`Cairenn`	`omg, I want a england teleport hax!`
`19:04.44`	`krka`	`my sandbox is meant to run lua programs with limitations`
`19:04.49`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: I'm swimming.,`
`19:04.51`	`cladhaire`	`=/`
`19:04.52`	`Beladona`	`in a perfect world, you would have a set of global manual icons, and then a set of auto-icons that get assigned by the addon. For things like priests who get aggro, or main tanks switching targets, etc...`
`19:04.58`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire : A healthy choice!`
`19:05.06`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: =)`
`19:05.10`	`krka`	`the lua program in question has a memory limit, a number of instructions limit, can't use io / debug / et.c.`
`19:05.51`	`krka`	`its only contact with the outside world is a master-lua program`
`19:05.56`	`krka`	`which defines the interface`
`19:06.47`	`Iriel`	`does it run in a second lua instance? or are you doing this within lua's existing thread model?`
`19:07.47`	`krka`	`no threads at all`
`19:07.49`	`krka`	`same instance`
`19:07.54`	`krka`	`but different lua state`
`19:08.05`	`krka`	`oh, maybe that's what you meant by instance`
`19:08.40`	`Iriel`	`can it pass data back and forth through master-lua?`
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`19:10.45`	`krka`	`yes`
`19:10.49`	`Iriel`	`can it execute functions that it's given through master-lua? Do they execute in the sandbox state or the external state?`
`19:10.49`	`krka`	`well, not yet`
`19:10.51`	`krka`	`but working on it`
`19:11.05`	`krka`	`the master can call the slave-functions`
`19:11.14`	`krka`	`the master can export its own functions to the slaves`
`19:11.30`	`krka`	`only nil, boolean, number and string can pass through as arguments / results`
`19:11.46`	`Iriel`	`Why not tables?`
`19:11.48`	`krka`	`that's the plan anyway`
`19:11.55`	`krka`	`might do tables later`
`19:11.59`	`krka`	`but they're tricky :)`
`19:12.03`	`krka`	`need to do a copy`
`19:12.52`	`krka`	`please don't ruin this project for me :(`
`19:12.57`	`krka`	`i care about it more than the previous one`
`19:13.13`	`krka`	`i.e. don't prove how it won't work :)`
`19:13.31`	`cogwheel`	`does anyone know of a benchmark Lua program? googling is no help 'cause it thinks i want to see lua compared to other languages... I'm testing a VC build of Lua vs. a MinGW build...`
`19:13.38`	`Iriel`	`Oh, I'm certain it's doable, I was just wondering what your constraints are`
`19:14.01`	`Iriel`	`cogwheel : Just find any normal math or processing benchmark and do some timed loops.`
`19:14.20`	`krka`	`trying to do most of the logic in lua, and only do the bridging in c`
`19:14.25`	`Iriel`	`cogwheel : Generic benchmarks are so subjective anyway, it's much easier to pick what activity you want to benchmark`
`19:15.05`	`Iriel`	`neat, are you using lua's debugging functions at all?`
`19:15.12`	`Beladona`	`anyone have any experience with GetInventoryAlertStatus?`
`19:15.30`	`cogwheel`	`hmm... I'd use WoWBench since it takes a long enough time to load up, but i don't know if it works with 5.1 yet...`
`19:15.35`	`cogwheel`	`i'll try it...`
`19:15.59`	`Iriel`	`Beladona : Only in as much as I know where it's called by the base UI`
`19:16.02`	`cladhaire`	`WoWBench does a lot of disk access, comparatively.`
`19:16.27`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: Although I suppose that depends on what you want to benchmark`
`19:16.34`	`krka`	`Iriel: i am going to use the hook-thingy in debug to break slave-functions when it has ran too many instructions`
`19:16.46`	`Beladona`	`guess I need to create my own status system, because the alert system is horribly unreliable as far as I am concerned`
`19:16.48`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: When Mikk and I were working on the binaries for that distribution, we used it as a basis for speed comparisons`
`19:16.56`	`Iriel`	`krka: nifty, I wondered how you'd manage that in lua`
`19:17.09`	`krka`	`it's nice that it's built in`
`19:17.16`	`krka`	`took me a while to figure how to solve that`
`19:17.16`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: The binaries that ship with WoWBench are MingW32 gcc -o2`
`19:17.25`	`krka`	`solving the memory limits was easy, since i use different states`
`19:17.30`	`krka`	`i.e. no two slaves can share memory`
`19:17.42`	`cogwheel`	`cladhaire: thanks for the info`
`19:18.04`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: I maintain that branch of binaries, and have my own set compiled for 5.1 (they're also used in WoWInterface-SciTE)`
`19:18.43`	`cladhaire`	`I prefer MingW32 out of principal, plus I'm familiar enough with the licenses to know what I can and can't do with them`
`19:19.09`	`cogwheel`	`I happen to have VS 2005 so that's what I used for my 5.1 binaries...`
`19:19.26`	`cogwheel`	`I wanted to compare their performance to see if i should switch`
`19:19.36`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`19:20.24`	`cladhaire`	`The next set will have luafilesystem, luasocket, bitlib, lpacklib and popen compiled and enabled`
`19:20.43`	`cladhaire`	`so Mikk can use the luafs stuff for WoWBench`
`19:21.42`	`cladhaire`	`(btw.. don't compile with -fomit-frame-pointer =) Lua isn't happy with it (I think due to LONGJMP), even tho its one of the sets in the default makefile`
`19:22.36`	`Mikma`	`cladhaire: are you near your email yet? ;)`
`19:23.10`	`cladhaire`	`Mikma: huh?`
`19:23.34`	`Mikma`	`cladhaire: 'nevcairiel' needs an svn account so he can help me with bt2 :D`
`19:23.45`	`Mikma`	`cladhaire: and he has mailed you etc`
`19:23.50`	`cladhaire`	`yea, I haven't gotten to it yet.`
`19:24.03`	`Mikma`	`cladhaire: roger <o_`
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`19:34.05`	`cladhaire`	`Mikma: done`
`19:34.51`	`Mikma`	`cladhaire: /bow and he will propably bow too :)`
`19:38.30`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: still here mate?`
`19:38.46`	`cogwheel`	`well... extremely preliminary testing seems to show that VC builds perform better than mingw builds. there was a significant improvement in bitlib performance and about 7% increase in table indexing`
`19:39.34`	`cogwheel`	`Thumann: apparently :)`
`19:39.35`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: nod I'd expect as much, since its a native layer`
`19:39.35`	`cogwheel`	`er 7% decrease`
`19:39.35`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: hehe.. i'm reading/trying this guide right now.. i've learned _so_ much more than from that wow ui creator.. http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`19:40.38`	`cogwheel`	`Thumann: yeah. The wiki is really more of a reference (though there are some howtos). fara's tutorial is ... well... a tutorial and is definitely easier to grasp at first... Kindof like the difference between "Programming in Lua" and "the Lua 5.0 manual"`
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`19:41.12`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: Hey, the reference manual is keen reading =)`
`19:41.17`	`Thumann`	`cogwheel: exactly.. and for me, who's only used to code stuff in php.. this is the way to start :)`
`19:41.41`	`malreth`	`OH YEAH!!!!`
`19:42.23`	`tyroney`	`That can't be healthy.`
`19:42.40`	`Thumann`	`:o party`
`19:42.56`	`gnorlish`	`don't touch that Kool-aid`
`19:43.43`	`malreth`	`i instaled a addon called ctra and a GM said i was now baned WTF lol`
`19:43.44`	`Thrae`	`"Hey. My friends call me Slicer. I'm part of the Hells Angels. Now when I want to kick back and relax with the guys, I play World of Warcraft. I play a Female Night Elf because staring at the ass of a dorky-looking male is so homo."`
`19:44.06`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: haha`
`19:44.10`	`Thrae`	`"Now leave me the hell alone, I need to find some pants that match my chest armour."`
`19:44.22`	`malreth`	`ooooh`
`19:44.47`	`Mikma`	`Thrae: :D`
`19:44.48`	`cogwheel`	`cladhaire, do you ever plan on adding mana bars to PerfectRaid?`
`19:45.06`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: I tried.. but they're SOOOOOOO ugly =(`
`19:45.08`	`malreth`	`mana bars aren't necessary.`
`19:45.17`	`malreth`	`praid is perfect the way it is`
`19:45.21`	`cogwheel`	`I don't really care myself...`
`19:45.24`	`cladhaire`	`please play with it.. and if you find something that doesn' tlook hideous.. i'll put it in as an option`
`19:45.29`	`cogwheel`	`My wife wants them though ;)`
`19:45.36`	`cladhaire`	`cogwheel: No, the plan isn't to allow it since the low mana threshold is an option`
`19:45.41`	`Thrae`	`Health bars aren't really necessary either, I'd rather have on-depletion. You don't need all that room taken up to tell you the unit is OK.`
`19:46.08`	`Thrae`	`As for mana, having 2 thresholds would be nice. I must find the time to hack PR.`
`19:46.13`	`malreth`	`although having some more bar textures would be nice`
`19:46.25`	`cladhaire`	`Thrae: Yeah, I agree there, midmana and low mana`
`19:46.30`	`cladhaire`	`malreth: contribute, they're easy to add =)`
`19:46.48`	`malreth`	`i don't wanna contribute... i just want to be a consumer and take take take!`
`19:47.08`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`19:47.30`	`cladhaire`	`T-Minus 11 minutes before i sign off irc and pack my laptop gasp`
`19:47.47`	`Qzot`	`to where?`
`19:48.00`	`Gryphen`	`the moon`
`19:48.08`	`Iriel`	`Where do you fly into?`
`19:48.13`	`malreth`	`the moon is a nice place this time of year`
`19:48.50`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: Heathrow, then taking the tube to Victoria and taking a traing into Canterbury`
`19:49.21`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire : Heathrow's not too bad, just be prepared to walk a ways once you get off the plane`
`19:49.35`	`cladhaire`	`Yeah, that's what I hear =)`
`19:49.54`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire : The route from the terminals to security, immigration, etc, is quite a long one`
`19:50.17`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: Ack.. i'll keep that in mind, thanks :P`
`19:50.36`	`cladhaire`	`Its weird to be meeting with a guy who wrote a book I used a lot in college, but I suppose I should get used to it.`
`19:50.42`	`Qzot`	`Beladona: I don't think I'm quite as concerned as you are.`
`19:50.44`	`Iriel`	`it's all indoors though, and your checked luggage isnt' with you 8-)`
`19:51.07`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: Oh, then no problem :P`
`19:51.16`	`Cairenn`	`cladhaire: indeed you should, you're playing with the big boys now`
`19:51.29`	`Qzot`	`beladona: ping?`
`19:51.53`	`malreth`	`ooh, what'd i miss? what's going on?`
`19:53.16`	`Cairenn`	`malreth: ?`
`19:53.37`	`malreth`	`why is cladhaire going away?`
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`19:53.48`	`Tem`	`convention in england`
`19:54.12`	`cladhaire`	`ICER '06 =)`
`19:54.17`	`malreth`	`there are lots of conventions in england... one is that they spell things differently than here in america`
`19:54.20`	`Laric`	`icer?`
`19:54.32`	`Tem`	`International computing education r?`
`19:54.40`	`cladhaire`	`International Computing Education Research Workshop`
`19:54.43`	`cladhaire`	`i believe`
`19:54.48`	`Tem`	`yeah, that's right`
`19:54.59`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Hey, I got confused when explaining how a frame method in userdata is called. I thought it needed to iterate over a number of possible functions in C/C++, which is why it is so slow?`
`19:55.00`	`malreth`	`ah. sounds cool`
`19:55.27`	`Cairenn`	`and he's gonna be rubbing elbows trying to get funding for his PhD, hence the playing with the big boys comment`
`19:56.11`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: My understanding was that it was a C metamethod lookup to determine which handler to return, if you have any clarification I'd appreciate it.`
`19:56.14`	`malreth`	`aaah. sounds quality.`
`19:56.19`	`Iriel`	`Thrae : It's not quite that inefficient, but it does have to do a runtime type check on the C++ object`
`19:56.20`	`Thrae`	`It takes a lot of dedication to get a PhD. And crazy. You have to be crazy too.`
`19:56.33`	`cladhaire`	`Thrae: Welcome to me =) Apparently`
`19:56.36`	`Cairenn`	`I think he qualifies on that count`
`19:56.47`	`Cairenn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:57.04`	`Thrae`	`I hate academia. Oh, did I mention I'm studying to be a teacher?`
`19:57.06`	`Iriel`	`Thrae : And that involves a bunch of thrashing around in C land, then once it knows what object type it is, it finds the appropriate method and returns it, I suspect that last part is relatively fast.`
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`19:57.38`	`Mikk`	`s/academia/academentia/`
`19:57.55`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`19:58.12`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Is "thrashing around" your way of saying "it does something slow"?`
`19:58.31`	`cogwheel`	`thankfully there are "vocational" law schools in california... No G.E. 4tw!!`
`19:58.37`	`Iriel`	`Thrae : More "It does a lot, which seems to take a long time and be slow" yes`
`19:59.40`	`Mikk`	`It's funny how vocational schools are looked down upon. I mean.. they actually teach you how do something, with relevant materials and more up-to-date views of what's actually goes on in the world. </random observation>`
`19:59.46`	`Iriel`	`Thrae : My SecretSauce addon tried a bunch of strategies to speed it up, but there's tradeoffs involved in all of them.`
`19:59.52`	`cladhaire`	`Bye everyone!`
`19:59.56`	`Mikk`	`hf clad =)`
`20:00.01`	`Iriel`	`Mikk: The problem is you can end up with folks with no abtsract capabilities`
`20:00.22`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Like iterating over _G and giving Lua references to all the methods, which may or may not already be hooked?`
`20:00.24`	`Mikk`	`You get that just fine in universities too imo :-P`
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`20:00.40`	`Iriel`	`Mikk: Certainly, but i'd hope a good degree course would weed them out`
`20:00.52`	`Mikk`	`I have empirical proof that it does not :-P`
`20:00.56`	`malreth`	`it's like the difference between someone who learns a programming language and someone who learns how to program`
`20:01.10`	`Iriel`	`I'm not saying that you can't get good people from vocational schools, and vice versa, just that there's an inherent problem with the "vocational approach" when taken too far`
`20:01.14`	`Thrae`	`I'm a strong supporter of community college first, then select your state university, in the US. Some parts of Europe have better universities at less expense.`
`20:01.29`	`malreth`	`Thrae: that's what my sister did`
`20:01.33`	`Iriel`	`I deal with those issues constantly, people who have great skills in one tiny arena, but can't solve a complex problem to save their lives`
`20:01.37`	`Mikk`	`Iriel: Yeah, as a general standpoint, I'll cede that point`
`20:01.43`	`Thrae`	`Going to a community college means you can get a well-paying part-time job while trying for your extra 2 years in a university.`
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`20:02.20`	`Thrae`	`Not to mention that community colleges do not have professors, the bane of all learning!`
`20:02.24`	`gnorlish`	`my little brother blew his first year in a 4 year college and got booted`
`20:02.33`	`Iriel`	`I prefer the UK approach but then I was always well aligned with academic interests. My brother did much better just dropping out of the education system after highschool, and going back to college once he had a clear idea of what he wanted to do.`
`20:02.35`	`gnorlish`	`so he went to CC and then was ready for 4 year after a year there`
`20:02.52`	`Mikk`	`I've just met enough uni graduates that only ever learned how to do something by-the-book and passed their exams that way that I'm a bit jaded.`
`20:02.53`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: What's the UK approach?`
`20:03.02`	`Mikk`	`Of course, being university, they only know theoretically how to do it by the book.`
`20:03.07`	`Mikk`	`So they're not even doing it right in the first place :-P`
`20:03.08`	`Iriel`	`Thrae : State sponsored university if you get sufficient grades`
`20:03.15`	`Iriel`	`Centralized admissions`
`20:03.33`	`Iriel`	`3 year degree focussed ON your discipline (general stuff covered before you leave highschool)`
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`20:04.02`	`Thrae`	`Mikk: University of Maryland, Baltimore County is one of the best technical universities in the country. And I can make a killing there fixing people's computers.`
`20:04.24`	`Mikk`	`Hehehe`
`20:04.34`	`cogwheel`	`We actually have a local private law school here where I live. 4 years of evening classes. Sounds silly, but they take home trophies in competitions against schools like UC Berkeley, Stanford, etc. and 25% of the county's bar are graduates from there...`
`20:04.35`	`Tem`	`Iriel, the thought of not having to take these gen-ed courses makes my mouth water`
`20:04.48`	`Iriel`	`Tem: When I heard how it is here i was horrified`
`20:04.52`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Are you saying it's free if your grades are good enough?`
`20:05.08`	`Iriel`	`though I hear it's becoming necessary in the UK because the highschool education system's funding is getting shaky`
`20:05.13`	`Iriel`	`Thrae : I paid no tuition fees`
`20:05.27`	`Mikk`	`No tuition fees in Sweden either. Period.`
`20:05.52`	`Thrae`	`Well you pay like 40% of your income in taxes in Sweden. OK, not that much, but it's a hell of a lot more then the US.`
`20:05.53`	`Tem`	`Iriel, of my 6 classes this semester 3 of them are classes I wouldn't take except for the university forcing them down my throat`
`20:05.57`	`Iriel`	`Living expenses are offset by reasonable loans (or in the past by a grant, dependent on ones parent's income etc)`
`20:06.01`	`gnorlish`	`well shoot, how do you all know who to laugh at b/c they had to take loans out to attend college`
`20:06.16`	`Kirov`	`heh, UK's highschool education system's funding getting shaky ...`
`20:06.27`	`gnorlish`	`while trying to appeal to the cool rich kids with expensive cars`
`20:06.29`	`Thrae`	`The US is a Libertarian / Federalist hybrid government! We don't believe in high taxes and we don't believe in a small government.`
`20:06.34`	`Iriel`	`Every class I took was related to my chosen degree, unless I wanted to take a class from another part of the university, in which case I just needed my department to sign off on it.`
`20:06.35`	`Kirov`	`Considering the US's near complete lack of funding for high schools I find that funny.`
`20:06.58`	`Mikk`	`Thrae: It's actually closer to 66% counting the difference between what employers shell out in order to pay me and down to what companies in the other end get (after VAT) when I buy stuff`
`20:07.06`	`Kirov`	`Thrae - the US believes in high taxes ... for anyone who can't afford it.`
`20:07.21`	`Iriel`	`Warwick had a cool grade system too that accounted for both your average grade, and how many things you took`
`20:08.00`	`Iriel`	`So if you took extra classes, your grades were boosted a little, and vice versa (It was a fairly simple equation, so planning ones year was easy)`
`20:08.17`	`Thrae`	`You see, that's why I advocate to everyone to do 2 years of Community College first. 1) You can do all your "general requirement" classes in Community College. 2) If you take the correct classes to transfer over, your acceptance into a State University is guarunteed.`
`20:08.22`	`Iriel`	`There is a tradeoff`
`20:08.39`	`Iriel`	`Full time employment, or employment during the class schedule was PROHIBITED`
`20:08.58`	`Iriel`	`if you needed extra money you worked weekends or nights`
`20:08.58`	`Thrae`	`And when I mean guarunteed, I mean it is contractually guarunteed.`
`20:09.03`	`Beladona`	`so what do ya all think? durability bar (new feature) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4396-wdn.statbars.html`
`20:09.13`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn__ (n=jbcc@bby-wired-gen1-834.authent.sfu.ca)`
`20:09.30`	`Iriel`	`Thrae : That's remarkably similar to my experience of the UK system, I think it's good though really highschool should cover the general stuff`
`20:09.56`	`malreth`	`Beladona: hey... i like that font for the options window...`
`20:10.05`	`malreth`	`classy`
`20:10.05`	`Kirov`	`Beladona - do you have the font I used, or is that from the logo?`
`20:10.09`	`Beladona`	`which? the title?`
`20:10.18`	`malreth`	`nod nod`
`20:10.19`	`Beladona`	`its the graphic`
`20:10.37`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Whenever I hear that math is getting harder as the decades pass, I am reminded of a Star Trek TNG episode where they show that the 3rd grade ciriculum includes Calculus.`
`20:10.40`	`Beladona`	`I took the same logo, and gave it an alpha`
`20:10.49`	`Kirov`	`http://www.dafont.com/jane-austen.font`
`20:11.03`	`Kirov`	`that's the one I used`
`20:11.32`	`Thrae`	`Children are like empty buckets. We can fill their heads with as much useful information and nonsense as we want, we just need to know how.`
`20:11.33`	`Kirov`	`malreth - http://wdn.wowinterface.com/`
`20:11.36`	`Beladona`	`nice`
`20:11.59`	`Beladona`	`hmm`
`20:12.04`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn__ (n=jbcc@bby-wired-gen1-834.authent.sfu.ca)`
`20:12.09`	`Beladona`	`is that font copyrighted?`
`20:12.18`	`malreth`	`free for personal use it says`
`20:12.19`	`Beladona`	`if not I could just include the font, and make the logo a fontstring...`
`20:12.28`	`Industrial`	`'its '..date('%X')..' now' or string.format('its %s now', date('%X'))`
`20:12.29`	`Industrial`	`?`
`20:12.39`	`Industrial`	`im wondering if string.format really is all that efficient`
`20:13.27`	`malreth`	`oh wow... lots of fonts on the creator's site`
`20:13.38`	`malreth`	`http://www.pia-frauss.de/fonts/dg.htm`
`20:15.07`	`Kirov`	`Beladona - Looks like "free for personal use, distribute as you like as long as you include the text file" generic thing`
`20:15.38`	`Beladona`	`cool`
`20:16.01`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge dreyruugr (n=chatzill@66.77.144.6)`
`20:16.03`	`Iriel`	`Industrial : It depends what you're comparing it against really`
`20:16.20`	`Iriel`	`Industrial : Lua actually does 'Its ' .. date('%X') .. " now" MORE efficiently than string.format`
`20:16.29`	`Industrial`	`well I think .. is ugly so I usually use string.format`
`20:16.30`	`Industrial`	`I see`
`20:16.36`	`Iriel`	`but...`
`20:17.04`	`Iriel`	`string.format only involves one string constant, so it's a tradeoff depending on your strings`
`20:17.37`	`Industrial`	`k`
`20:17.42`	`Industrial`	`why couldnt they have used + anyway`
`20:17.48`	`JoshBorke`	`low concatenation use .., lots of concatenation use string.format then?`
`20:17.59`	`Industrial`	`doesnt 'foo'+'bar' make sense?`
`20:18.10`	`malreth`	`lots of concatenation can use .. too`
`20:18.12`	`JoshBorke`	`but what about '3'+'4'?`
`20:18.15`	`Iriel`	`but from an execution perspective, a .. b .. c .. d (if a-d are strings) ends up, in lua, as 4 stack pushes, and then a CONCAT`
`20:18.16`	`Industrial`	`34`
`20:18.18`	`Industrial`	`'34' *`
`20:18.36`	`Beladona`	`getting the durability info was a pain in the buttox`
`20:18.50`	`Iriel`	`JoshBorke : I used to use string.format a lot, but now I tend to stick to .. unless I need specific width or precision control.`
`20:18.57`	`Industrial`	`JoshBorke, a string is still a string init :P`
`20:19.05`	`Beladona`	`I tend to dislike tooltip scanning, but oh well`
`20:19.17`	`Iriel`	`lua lets you use strings as numbers`
`20:19.22`	`Iriel`	`return '1' + '2'`
`20:19.23`	`Industrial`	`o`
`20:19.23`	`Iriel`	`3`
`20:19.31`	`Industrial`	`hm`
`20:19.37`	`Iriel`	`just as it lets you use numbers as strings`
`20:19.42`	`Iriel`	`"x" .. 2 = "x2"`
`20:19.50`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge yeah (n=yeah@81-236-4-74-no67.tbcn.telia.com)`
`20:20.18`	`Industrial`	`.. it is`
`20:20.54`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn_ (n=jbcc@bby-wired-gen1-834.authent.sfu.ca)`
`20:22.19`	`yeah`	`Heya guys, I just wanted to ask if there is any way to display text in the same color that the tell/whisper color is? I know it's possible with DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("blabl", 1, 128/255, 1); but if i change the color of the whisper/tell the message i added with AddMessage() will still stay the same color.`
`20:22.35`	`malreth`	`ooh`
`20:22.38`	`malreth`	`i know this one`
`20:22.38`	`yeah`	`Is there any way to "hook" the text i print as a regular chat message, or atleast hook it to the same color-whatever?`
`20:22.57`	`Beladona`	`which is why using something like local button = getglobal("SomeRandomButton"..i); in a for i loop works so well`
`20:23.00`	`JoshBorke`	`yeah: i believe if you both run the addon you could`
`20:23.09`	`yeah`	`Josh, huh?`
`20:23.09`	`JoshBorke`	`but you can't send color codes to other people in tells`
`20:23.28`	`yeah`	`No, that's not my problem`
`20:23.37`	`Thrae`	`yeah: Yuo can Hook AddMessage for your ChatFrames, but you can't send color-coded messages using SendChatMessage.`
`20:23.50`	`yeah`	`Nono you missunderstood me`
`20:24.05`	`Beladona`	`he wants to have a chat message sent using whatever the user set his tell colors to`
`20:24.11`	`yeah`	`no i dont.`
`20:24.16`	`malreth`	`local info = ChatTypeInfo["WHISPERDEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("foo",`
`20:24.17`	`Beladona`	`ok...`
`20:24.20`	`malreth`	`bah!`
`20:24.25`	`Thrae`	`If you just want to change the colors for yourself, then you can hook AddMessage for the ChatFrames.`
`20:24.34`	`Beladona`	`thats what I woulda guessed too malreth`
`20:24.58`	`Beladona`	`I really hate over-hooking`
`20:24.58`	`malreth`	`local info = ChatTypeInfo["WHISPER"]; DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("foo", info.r, info.g, info.b)`
`20:25.06`	`yeah`	`I want to print say the string "blabla" in the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, and i want it as the same color as the whisper/tell color. and if i CHANGE the whisper/tell color in real time i want my message to follow that change the same way tells/whispers do. It has nothing to do with sending to others.`
`20:25.07`	`malreth`	`don't pass the info.id argument`
`20:25.26`	`Beladona`	`thats what I was saying yeah`
`20:25.34`	`Beladona`	`.....`
`20:25.34`	`malreth`	`ah...`
`20:25.48`	`yeah`	`no you said i wanted to send tells to other people with my own chat colors, which i dont.`
`20:25.59`	`Thrae`	`yeah: Look in FrameXML and see how it saves the colour information, and see if you can retreive it.`
`20:26.00`	`Beladona`	`no, I didn't, you just interpreted my message as such`
`20:26.00`	`malreth`	`well, when you say you want it to change the same way that tells and whispers do, do you want it to change in realtime`
`20:26.00`	`JoshBorke`	`no, Beladona said it right ;-)`
`20:26.13`	`malreth`	`malreth just posted the code you need`
`20:26.38`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Amro (n=skaarj_h@82.101.184.154)`
`20:26.52`	`malreth`	`local info = ChatTypeInfo["WHISPER"]; DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("foo", info.r, info.g, info.b, info.id)`
`20:27.00`	`yeah`	`ah ok, malreth i follow you on that - but if i say that i want to change my chat whisper/tell color to green, will the messages i printed BEFORE the change follow, as my tells/whispers do?`
`20:27.18`	`Beladona`	`no`
`20:27.20`	`malreth`	`yeah: if you pass the id argument, it will change in realtime, correct`
`20:27.27`	`yeah`	`ok, thanks.`
`20:27.28`	`yeah`	`<3`
`20:27.30`	`malreth`	`but...`
`20:27.33`	`yeah`	`but?`
`20:27.58`	`malreth`	`if you dare start printing stuff out using an id argument in your addon's OnLoad handler, you'll make me a sad panda`
`20:28.08`	`malreth`	`and i'll have to add a special rule to StopTheSpam! for you`
`20:28.16`	`malreth`	`:)`
`20:28.26`	`Industrial`	`stopthespam shouldnt be needed`
`20:28.27`	`yeah`	`;p`
`20:28.37`	`Beladona`	`if you use the info example malreth gave a second ago, changing the color for whispers will NOT change previously printed messages on the fly`
`20:28.38`	`Industrial`	`in fact I dont use ti and my chatframe is clean`
`20:28.49`	`Industrial`	`other then my login times I dont get anything`
`20:29.00`	`yeah`	`beladone, yes it will i just tested it`
`20:29.07`	`malreth`	`Industrial: i agree... it shouldn't be necessary...`
`20:29.09`	`Thrae`	`malreth: Ace2 doesn't print anything by itself.`
`20:29.15`	`Beladona`	`oh yeah, I missed the id`
`20:29.18`	`yeah`	`i;P`
`20:29.20`	`Beladona`	`if the id is set it will`
`20:29.40`	`Industrial`	`I propose to instead go on a mass strike against devs that implement the useless 'MY ADDON HAS LOADED JUST SO YOU KNOW' crap`
`20:29.42`	`JoshBorke`	`what's the id thing do?`
`20:29.48`	`Thrae`	`Most of my spam addons are addons that also do stuff like WoW UI Designer`
`20:29.49`	`Industrial`	`and pester them until the drop it`
`20:29.54`	`JoshBorke`	`Industrial: :-(`
`20:29.55`	`malreth`	`Thrae: ace2 doesn't... but any addon that uses self:Print() gets an id of 1 which means I have to blacklist all ace messages`
`20:29.58`	`Industrial`	`they*`
`20:30.06`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge yeah (n=yeah@81-236-4-74-no67.tbcn.telia.com)`
`20:30.18`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm, what does ~ mean in the svn status output?`
`20:30.31`	`malreth`	`i should probably bug someone to change how self:Print() works`
`20:30.53`	`Industrial`	`malreth, what id? :S`
`20:31.06`	`Thrae`	`Sorry, what does that mean?`
`20:31.08`	`malreth`	`AddMessage takes a final argument that is an ID that identifies the line of text`
`20:31.16`	`Beladona`	`id is a color id`
`20:31.18`	`Industrial`	`oh right`
`20:31.21`	`malreth`	`there's an id for system text, one for party chat, guiild chat, etc`
`20:31.43`	`malreth`	`that way if you change the color of a type of text, all the colors in the window that are currently printed can be changed retroactively`
`20:31.47`	`Industrial`	`malreth, pester ckknight and/or join #wowace`
`20:31.55`	`Beladona`	`I woudl link the article on wowwiki, but for some reason my browsing is for shit right now`
`20:31.58`	`Kaso`	`Industrial i love how that i have so much spam in chat frame 1 on load i cant see half of it :<`
`20:32.03`	`Kaso`	`i back your strike`
`20:32.10`	`Kirov`	`I plan on keeping the "ZOMG 2000 has loaded! -- /zomg" message in all my mods, but I'll probably add a verbose option to turn it off.`
`20:32.22`	`Beladona`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ScrollingMessageFrame_AddMessage`
`20:32.37`	`Industrial`	`Kirov, and instead print 'the anoying thingy is turned off just so you know'`
`20:32.38`	`Kaso`	`maybe ill make an addon to block all chatframe addons for 1second after login`
`20:32.46`	`malreth`	`Kaso: I already did. :)`
`20:32.55`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge tyroney (n=tyroney@66.239.241.162.ptr.us.xo.net)`
`20:33.03`	`Kirov`	`I find it useful for the first few times I use a mod so I know what the / command is.`
`20:33.16`	`Kirov`	`Also nice as an easy check for the mod I'm working on to know if it loaded.`
`20:33.23`	`malreth`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4077`
`20:33.27`	`Thrae`	`On load, I print out 1) The list of all available commands 2) Report on saved variables 3) The list of all other addon's commands 4) A list of THEIR saved variables 5) A list of addons you don't have installed 6) A list of their commands 7) A theoretical list of their default saved variables`
`20:33.40`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:33.42`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`20:33.42`	`Kirov`	`Sanity is possibly one of the worst spammers on load`
`20:33.50`	`Kirov`	`It dumps a bunch of debug text on load`
`20:34.13`	`Beladona`	`so much for "sanity"`
`20:34.20`	`malreth`	`hic`
`20:34.31`	`Kirov`	`part of me wants to take over sanity.`
`20:34.56`	`malreth`	`hic`
`20:34.56`	`Thrae`	`What is Sanity's intention?`
`20:34.58`	`malreth`	`hic`
`20:35.06`	`Kirov`	`It's a really nice mod, the version released version showed up on the forums about 5 minutes after I started writing my own.`
`20:35.52`	`Kirov`	`Thrae - keep track of inventory, bank, mail across all your characters and let you do searches by character, location (mail, bank, bags) or server, or all`
`20:36.08`	`Kirov`	`It's got a bunch of bugs though`
`20:36.20`	`Thrae`	`Ah, I use Bagnon for that.`
`20:36.27`	`malreth`	`I use Posessions...`
`20:36.43`	`malreth`	`Thrae: does Bagnon keep track of mailboxes?`
`20:36.46`	`Kirov`	`And I don't remember who the original author was, but he got married and doesn't show up in here anymore.`
`20:36.54`	`JoshBorke`	`Adrine`
`20:37.04`	`Thrae`	`malreth: Don't think so, then again, I don't need it`
`20:37.05`	`Kirov`	`JoshBorke - thanks`
`20:37.07`	`Industrial`	`http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3194/wowscrnshot090706223607gd0.jpg`
`20:37.09`	`Industrial`	`just made this shit`
`20:37.12`	`Industrial`	`er shot`
`20:37.13`	`JoshBorke`	`he also wrote a mod called HealCap`
`20:37.18`	`Kirov`	`~seen Adrine`
`20:37.38`	`purl`	`adrine <n=Chris@ip68-2-219-112.ph.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 33d 48m 10s ago, saying: 'Oh, and I got married.'.`
`20:37.38`	`Thrae`	`I don't have so much crap that 5 mules can't carry it`
`20:37.44`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`20:37.53`	`Beladona`	`I don't like printing anything on load. I think it takes away from accessibility`
`20:37.54`	`malreth`	`i keep stuff in 30/60 storage since it's faster to get it back out`
`20:37.58`	`Kirov`	`point and check`
`20:38.01`	`Beladona`	`except maybe during debug`
`20:38.22`	`Industrial`	`Beladona, this screenshot proves that :>`
`20:38.32`	`malreth`	`i hate the 1 hr wait to get something like twilight cultist gear outta storage so i just leave it all in the inbox`
`20:38.35`	`Industrial`	`I'd like to have columns though`
`20:38.51`	`Industrial`	`so the message wont overlap the timestamp space`
`20:38.55`	`Industrial`	`like wth xchat`
`20:39.43`	`Thrae`	`Then you get in a horrible car accident, have to stay in the hospital for a month, and THEN find out your epics were auto-deleted!`
`20:40.10`	`Iriel`	`In that case you may not care so much`
`20:40.15`	`malreth`	`it takes 60 days for something to be completely lost in the mail system`
`20:40.20`	`Beladona`	`Blizzard should add a chat type for addon print messages specifically. That way you can color code it, turn it off, or even filter it to anotehr window`
`20:40.32`	`Iriel`	`I prefer "Then your phone company screws up your DSL line and you have no access for 2 months"`
`20:40.47`	`malreth`	`Beladona: well, we could all agree on an id number to use for that`
`20:40.54`	`Thrae`	`What do you mean "completely lost"? Bribe a GM and you may get it back?`
`20:40.55`	`Beladona`	`yeah`
`20:41.00`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: That's happened to me a few times =/`
`20:41.01`	`Iriel`	`malreth : We'd need blizzard to NOT use that ID number too tho`
`20:41.07`	`Beladona`	`good luck standardizing ANYTHING among addon developers`
`20:41.10`	`Beladona`	`haha`
`20:41.19`	`malreth`	`Thrae: yep. 30 days to be returned, 30 more days to rot`
`20:41.37`	`malreth`	`Iriel: in wow 2.0... we'll have the HUGE number constant`
`20:41.51`	`malreth`	`ain't NO way blizzard could use that many IDs`
`20:41.51`	`Thrae`	`Beladona: Well, we started this discussion on Ace, and Ace is all about standardization...`
`20:42.04`	`Beladona`	`yeah but not everyone uses Ace yet either`
`20:42.41`	`Kirov`	`Not everyone will ever use Ace.`
`20:42.49`	`malreth`	`Beladona: easy... hook AddMessage and change it so that our addon standard ID is passed for all messages that don't already have one set`
`20:42.51`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm trying my damndest not to`
`20:42.52`	`Beladona`	`so, I assume in wow 2.0 string.find will be string.match?`
`20:42.57`	`Iriel`	`But also, I dont want all my addons outputting to the same place`
`20:43.04`	`Iriel`	`string.match is different`
`20:43.11`	`Iriel`	`it doesn't return the first 2 args that string.find does`
`20:43.22`	`Beladona`	`right, but will string.find exist?`
`20:43.24`	`Kirov`	`string.gfind == string.match`
`20:43.25`	`Iriel`	`Yes`
`20:43.33`	`Beladona`	`thats what I meant`
`20:43.35`	`Beladona`	`sorry`
`20:43.49`	`Iriel`	`no`
`20:43.53`	`Iriel`	`string.gfind = string.gmatch`
`20:44.02`	`Kirov`	`oh?`
`20:44.07`	`malreth`	`in 2.0 WoW, epics random YOU!`
`20:44.13`	`Beladona`	`I thought in lua 5.1 string.find was replaced with string.match?`
`20:44.16`	`Iriel`	`string.match is entirely new`
`20:44.28`	`Iriel`	`and string.find isn't changing`
`20:44.31`	`Thrae`	`You mean the name of string.find was changed to string.match along with other improvements?`
`20:44.35`	`Iriel`	`NO`
`20:44.41`	`malreth`	`ooh, this is fun!`
`20:44.47`	`Thrae`	`Ahh, I was worried for a second there.`
`20:44.54`	`Iriel`	`local b,e,capture = string.find(msg,"(%d+)")`
`20:44.54`	`malreth`	`so, string.find is being removed?`
`20:45.02`	`Kirov`	`hehe`
`20:45.05`	`Iriel`	`local capture = string.match(msg,"(%d+)")`
`20:45.07`	`Beladona`	`misinformation FTW!`
`20:45.28`	`Kirov`	`so, I hear string.lower is getting replaced with string.smallletters`
`20:45.44`	`malreth`	`and table is being renamed to lamp`
`20:45.50`	`Kirov`	`lol`
`20:45.54`	`Thrae`	`Kirov: An alternative will be available as string.muchlower`
`20:45.55`	`malreth`	`lamp.maxn()`
`20:46.03`	`Beladona`	`string.find returns indices, while string.match does not right?`
`20:46.22`	`Beladona`	`indices being start and end`
`20:46.22`	`malreth`	`string.match() is actually used to light fires.`
`20:46.25`	`Kirov`	`table.insert is replaced with lamp.newbulb`
`20:46.28`	`Iriel`	`right`
`20:47.05`	`Kirov`	`string.match should be nice though`
`20:47.14`	`Kirov`	`no more ugly _,_,stuff over and over`
`20:47.15`	`Beladona`	`so in most cases we will be better using string.match, unless we need the indices, although I doubt there is a difference if we mix them up - right?`
`20:47.29`	`Iriel`	`but,importantly, old code still works`
`20:47.38`	`Kirov`	`well, except for .gfind`
`20:47.40`	`Iriel`	`unless you used string.gfind`
`20:47.41`	`JoshBorke`	`we don't have string.match now?`
`20:47.50`	`Beladona`	`no`
`20:47.50`	`Iriel`	`JoshBorke : No`
`20:47.59`	`Thrae`	`lamp.newbulb(), lamp.unscrewbulb(), lamp.comparisonshopping(), lamp.getnumofluasersittakestoscrewinabulb()`
`20:48.15`	`Beladona`	`ok .. THAT was the one I was thinking of`
`20:48.21`	`Beladona`	`string.gfind is gone`
`20:48.24`	`Beladona`	`well not gone`
`20:48.27`	`Beladona`	`renamed`
`20:48.30`	`malreth`	`forgotten`
`20:48.32`	`Kirov`	`I never realized how nice string.find's first two returns were until I started doing string parsing in a language that doesn't do that.`
`20:48.43`	`Iriel`	`yes`
`20:48.57`	`Kirov`	`have to do everything with custom character iterators`
`20:49.01`	`Iriel`	`Kirov : Lots of other RE packages give you the same capability with empty captures`
`20:49.28`	`Iriel`	`Kirov : Well, I use 'lots' loosely - "I am aware of other RE packages that give you the same capability with empty captures." would be more valid`
`20:49.38`	`Beladona`	`Iriel: can you think of any other lua functions that are like gfind / gmatch, in which they are gone or renamed?`
`20:49.44`	`Beladona`	`in 5.1`
`20:49.51`	`Iriel`	`Beladona : Check the lua 5.1 manual, it has a list`
`20:50.07`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`20:50.08`	`Iriel`	`Beladona : And slouken posted some details here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1 post 6`
`20:50.09`	`Beladona`	`ahh ok, I checked the manual but hadn't seen the list`
`20:50.17`	`Thrae`	`Non-compiled languages aren't really built for the very best speed or memory usage anyway, there are ways to get around the limitations they have by using more hefty algorithmns.`
`20:50.18`	`malreth`	`it's at the end of the manual`
`20:50.25`	`Iriel`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7`
`20:50.49`	`Thrae`	`Not taking into account a Compiled / Non-Compiled hybrid project`
`20:51.13`	`Beladona`	`someone needs to suggest to slouken a GetDurability(slot) for inventory slots`
`20:51.19`	`Beladona`	`=P`
`20:51.41`	`Beladona`	`cause building that function from scratch was a pain in the ass`
`20:51.42`	`Iriel`	`Why dont you?`
`20:51.43`	`Iriel`	`8-)`
`20:51.45`	`JoshBorke`	`bye all :-)`
`20:51.45`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@ohm.stl.gtri.gatech.edu)`
`20:51.48`	`Beladona`	`I will`
`20:52.47`	`Beladona`	`ok, Slouken posted about the change from 'for k,v in table' to 'for k,v in pairs(table)' but doesn't the old method still work in lua 5.1?`
`20:52.55`	`Iriel`	`no`
`20:52.58`	`Thrae`	`Beladona: In the past, slouken has often said "Well you can scan the tooltip, can't you?"`
`20:53.00`	`Iriel`	`it was already deprecated in 5.0`
`20:53.05`	`Iriel`	`anyone who used it was asking for trouble`
`20:53.15`	`Beladona`	`thats what I do now, but I absolutely abhor tooltip scanning`
`20:53.27`	`Beladona`	`it feels like a hack to me`
`20:53.46`	`Iriel`	`From the 5.0 manual: The old construction for k,v in t, where t is a table, is deprecated (although it is still supported). Use for k,v in pairs(t) instead.`
`20:53.46`	`Thrae`	`Such as UnitBuff & UnitDebuff scanning (though returning the debuff type was a very,very nice addition)`
`20:53.49`	`Beladona`	`probably because the tooltip is getting the data, and then you get the data from the tooltip. I would rather get the data directly`
`20:53.51`	`malreth`	`i use "for k,v in next, table do"`
`20:53.58`	`Iriel`	`malreth that's all pairs does anyway`
`20:53.59`	`Beladona`	`there is useless data being obtained`
`20:54.07`	`malreth`	`Iriel: yep`
`20:54.22`	`Iriel`	`malreth : Though it's obviously better encapsulated so that people know what you're doing`
`20:54.32`	`Iriel`	`malreth : and doesn't break if someone does next = 1 8-)`
`20:54.36`	`malreth`	`it's a vice`
`20:54.44`	`Kirov`	`Beladona - there's a function to find out if an item is "yellow" or "red", which is all Blizzard cares about.`
`20:54.48`	`Thrae`	`Beladona: You and me both`
`20:54.50`	`malreth`	`if someone does that, it's their fault and they deserve what they get`
`20:54.51`	`Iriel`	`malreth : Though obviously it does break if someone does pairs = 1`
`20:55.05`	`tyroney`	`I dunno. Tooltips are kinda fun.`
`20:55.29`	`malreth`	`lua seems... fragile all of the sudden`
`20:55.38`	`Iriel`	`not really`
`20:55.46`	`Beladona`	`Kirov, that functions is horribly useless`
`20:55.47`	`Iriel`	`flexible, not fragile`
`20:55.58`	`Iriel`	`fragile would imply you couldn't protect against idiocy`
`20:56.03`	`malreth`	`my world is crumbling`
`20:56.08`	`Beladona`	`it only returns the state as yellow when you get to 1 durability`
`20:56.12`	`Beladona`	`from my tests`
`20:56.29`	`Beladona`	`and then red at 0 of course`
`20:56.31`	`Iriel`	`how much durability did your test object have?`
`20:56.36`	`Iriel`	`total, that is`
`20:56.37`	`Thrae`	`Beladona: For instance, I have no way of determining what information is from C for a mouseover unit if the SetUnit function is hooked before my addon.`
`20:56.56`	`Thrae`	`Unless, of course, I make ANOTHER tooltip and do ANOTHER SetUnit call.`
`20:57.03`	`Beladona`	`so I had to do my own that changes it to yellow at 50% durability, and then red at 0`
`20:57.40`	`Iriel`	`Beladona : Sounds like a better threshold than '1 left' for yellow would be worth suggesting, like 5% or something`
`20:58.01`	`Iriel`	`I suspect the rationale is, since there's no incremental degredation, people dont want to be told until absolutely the last minute`
`20:58.10`	`Beladona`	`yeah`
`20:58.12`	`tyroney`	`I could have sworn yellow happened earlier than 1.`
`20:58.29`	`Beladona`	`but it would stand to reason that at 50% durability, you might want to repair before you go into another insance`
`20:59.37`	`Iriel`	`tyroney : It got a major upgrade recently, it may be having post-upgrade issues`
`21:00.11`	`tyroney`	`So that's what happened the other day.`
`21:00.24`	`tyroney`	`Wee, fire drills are fun.`
`21:00.50`	`Beladona`	`I could be wrong about the 1 durability thing, but definitely couldn't use GetInventoryAlertStatus(index); because it returned 0 all the way up until it was pretty much broken`
`21:01.02`	`Beladona`	`which was useless for my needs`
`21:01.23`	`Iriel`	`Request GetInventoryAlertStatus(index, percent)`
`21:01.29`	`Iriel`	`where percent is the yellow threshold`
`21:01.33`	`Iriel`	`defaults to whatever they do today`
`21:01.48`	`Beladona`	`hmm`
`21:02.47`	`Beladona`	`their current color scheme comes from the INVENTORY_ALERT_COLORS table, which is indexed. The index matches the alert that returns from that function`
`21:03.36`	`Beladona`	`I see what you mean by percent though`
`21:03.49`	`Beladona`	`1 = enchanted`
`21:04.02`	`Beladona`	`2 = no one seems to know`
`21:04.11`	`Beladona`	`3 = yellow`
`21:04.15`	`Beladona`	`4 = broken (red)`
`21:05.00`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Mery (i=metelman@p54AEE6D5.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`21:05.10`	`Beladona`	`thats why I think a GetDurability function would be better. It could return the current, and max values, and you can determine your own percent scale afterwards`
`21:05.21`	`Qzot`	`Stupid question: Who owns CTRA?`
`21:05.32`	`Beladona`	`we, the people!`
`21:05.40`	`Beladona`	`unless you mean who developes it`
`21:05.47`	`Cairenn`	`Cide & TS :p`
`21:05.54`	`Cide`	`hm?`
`21:06.06`	`Cairenn`	`(5:05:18 PM) Qzot: Stupid question: Who owns CTRA?`
`21:06.08`	`cogwheel`	`WTF? is 1-2 pm Pacific the new "I'm going to piss everyone off now" time for the WoW forums?`
`21:06.11`	`Qzot`	`Thank you. Some people are more helpful than others.`
`21:06.13`	`Cide`	`why the sigh? :)`
`21:06.14`	`Qzot`	`:`
`21:06.15`	`tyroney`	`Wouldn't a get durability be essentially the same as tooltip scanning? I mean, as it would have to be implemented.`
`21:06.15`	`Qzot`	`:D`
`21:06.27`	`Beladona`	`hey now`
`21:06.40`	`Qzot`	`How easy is it for another addon to know the MTs from CTRA.`
`21:06.43`	`Beladona`	`I helped you, in forming your question better...`
`21:06.46`	`Beladona`	`0.o`
`21:06.47`	`Qzot`	`:D`
`21:07.12`	`Qzot`	`I help my children that way all the time.`
`21:07.13`	`Qzot`	`They hate it.`
`21:07.13`	`Cide`	`Qzot: CT_RA_MainTanks = { [1] = "MT1Name", [2] = "MT2Name", [5] = "MT5Name" }`
`21:07.13`	`Iriel`	`And now you know why`
`21:07.16`	`Beladona`	`see I don't have kids, so I gotta annoy fellow internet people`
`21:07.35`	`Qzot`	`Cide: I want to read them, and know when they changed, not set them. But that sounds great.`
`21:07.36`	`Thrae`	`Beladona: tyroney has a point. They may just have an internal event like DURABILITY_DECREASED.`
`21:07.52`	`Cide`	`harder to see when they get changed`
`21:08.04`	`Beladona`	`I don't think so`
`21:08.11`	`Qzot`	`That's the reason God invented OnUpdate.`
`21:08.16`	`Cide`	`CTRA2 has a custom event system where you could register for that event`
`21:08.20`	`Beladona`	`unless Blizz implemented it as a tooltip scan`
`21:09.03`	`Thrae`	`No no, I mean an event which returns the amount of durability, and durability is stored in some far away place not easily accessible.`
`21:09.11`	`tyroney`	`Right now, you say "hey server, give me the goods on item[x]" and you stuff that in a tooltip. So you want to add a redundant but less extensive "hey server, give me a couple of good on item [x]"`
`21:09.14`	`Beladona`	`that would be interesting to find out though. You could use GetInventoryStatus as a test. If they get the info via tooltip scanning or not`
`21:09.27`	`tyroney`	`s/good/goods`
`21:09.39`	`Qzot`	`Try s/good/goods/`
`21:09.52`	`tyroney`	`I didn't want to spam a whole copy of what I just said.`
`21:10.01`	`Beladona`	`Thrae: I like that logic, but you would still need some way to get the current durability, unless DURABILITY_CHANGE was thrown on login as well`
`21:10.19`	`Qzot`	`Ah. I didn't know that you didn't want to spam a whole copy of what you just said. Sorry.`
`21:10.40`	`Thrae`	`tyroney: Lots of tooltip scanning is much more expensive then simply getting the raw data.`
`21:11.05`	`Beladona`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:11.24`	`Beladona`	`that way you could simply register the event, and then refresh durability info`
`21:11.25`	`Thumann`	`so guys :) i've made a simple frame which is draggable.. in that frame a make a <frames> tag.. and inside that.. i place a button (to close the frame) but.. now the frame isn't draggable anymore.. what gives?`
`21:11.30`	`Thrae`	`Beladona: Well I was just playing devil's advocate, I'd rather have GetDurability() and if I need to count it at any given time, just register for CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_SELF_XXXX_HIT events.`
`21:11.44`	`Thumann`	`do i need to write it like <frames moveable="true"....> ?`
`21:11.48`	`Beladona`	`true, but not every hit affects durability`
`21:11.56`	`Beladona`	`would rather have an event that fires when it does`
`21:12.07`	`tyroney`	`Maybe they could just fix up the current durability related event so that it only changes when something actually loses durability, then add an arg or two to it.`
`21:12.37`	`Cide`	`Thumann: adding a button doesn't make it non-movable, so it must be something else`
`21:12.39`	`Thrae`	`There isn't a current durability related event.`
`21:12.56`	`Beladona`	`again, the issue for me would be, what about when you are at full durability? would the event fiire when you login?`
`21:12.58`	`Thumann`	`cide: hmm.. weird`
`21:13.01`	`tyroney`	`Sure there is. It fires when you enter combat, and I think on every swing... I hooked it once.`
`21:13.23`	`Beladona`	`it makes more sense to register for VARIABLES_LOADED, etc... and then check durability via function, and again when DURABILITY_CHANGE fired`
`21:13.39`	`Thumann`	`Cide: never mind.. :> figured it out`
`21:15.20`	`Thrae`	`Beladona: Am I crazy? I don't remember a durability event`
`21:15.53`	`tyroney`	`Oh, duh. I'll go look in the durability doll code. That's where it's used.`
`21:16.12`	`Thrae`	`OK, wait, there probably is something like DURABILITY_ALERT which fires when your gear is red or yellow.`
`21:16.13`	`Beladona`	`tyroney, UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS is the one the current durability doll uses. But it doesn't fire on login, and it also doesn't fire unless the status changes on an item`
`21:16.17`	`Iriel`	`There is no such event AFAIK`
`21:16.47`	`Iriel`	`Yeah, UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS is the only alert event`
`21:16.52`	`Iriel`	`I like this: this:RegisterEvent("UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS"); -- Wha??`
`21:16.53`	`Qzot`	`Yesterday, some was dashing off somewhere, but mumbled something about writing up a wiki pages for escape codes which could be embedded in chat text messages added to the ChatFrames. Who done it?`
`21:16.56`	`Iriel`	`From blizzard's code`
`21:17.00`	`Thrae`	`Ah yes UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS. I think that is used for other things other then durability, rigt?`
`21:17.12`	`Beladona`	`it is rather effective actually, because it is how my durability bar keeps accurate values for the bar`
`21:17.16`	`Beladona`	`so taht would be fine`
`21:17.19`	`tyroney`	`Ok, they'd have to add a fire on login, but otherwise that would seem the place to do it.`
`21:17.23`	`jaxdahl`	`i think this needs some work on the page layout: http://www.wowwiki.com/Atiesh`
`21:17.25`	`Thrae`	`Qzot: You mean for foreign languages?`
`21:17.25`	`Beladona`	`but it still doesn't solve the issue of having to scan tooltips on every change`
`21:17.36`	`jaxdahl`	`make your window narrower and i think you'll see what i mean`
`21:17.37`	`Qzot`	`Nope.`
`21:17.59`	`Kirov`	`Has anyone tried to figure out any way to match raid ids across clients?`
`21:18.04`	`Iriel`	`You mean \|cffff0000 \|r etc?`
`21:18.05`	`Beladona`	`UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS fires on any inventory change, such as applying an enchant, durability change, etc...`
`21:18.11`	`Qzot`	`I think 'yeah' was asking about how to do something, was told to look at the wiki, failed find it, and then the recommender came back and said they would write something up.`
`21:18.15`	`Kirov`	`not using UnitName()`
`21:18.16`	`Beladona`	`I assume also when you change items in a slot`
`21:18.26`	`tyroney`	`Yup.`
`21:18.37`	`Iriel`	`Why would you NOT use UnitName?`
`21:18.44`	`Qzot`	`Iriel: yeah. And hypertexty nodes that give you the players' names, etc.`
`21:18.55`	`Thrae`	`If you can't use UnitName, I don't understand the question...`
`21:19.03`	`Iriel`	`\|Hplayer:Qzot\|h[Quot the magnificent]\|h`
`21:19.19`	`Qzot`	`Exactly.`
`21:19.25`	`Beladona`	`okies,. back later. Gotta go eat dinner, and run some cat5 in a new room at my house =P`
`21:19.29`	`Qzot`	`Is that documented on the wiki somewhere?`
`21:19.47`	`tyroney`	`I'd tell you, but I can hardly get to the thing. (yes)`
`21:20.27`	`Thrae`	`For one second I thought Beladona was talking about running cats into a new room.`
`21:20.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Yes, the wiki is down it seems`
`21:20.47`	`Qzot`	`Thrae: I'm usually running cats out of the room. Gree.`
`21:20.51`	`Qzot`	`*Grr.`
`21:21.11`	`tyroney`	`wired a 10+ port room once. Ugh.`
`21:21.21`	`Thrae`	`purl, emulate Qzot is Gree.`
`21:21.22`	`purl`	`Thrae: okay`
`21:21.29`	`Thrae`	`~emulate Qzot`
`21:21.30`	`purl`	`it has been said that emulate qzot is Gree.`
`21:21.42`	`Qzot`	`What??`
`21:21.49`	`Thrae`	`I didn't do that right.`
`21:21.55`	`gnorlish`	`not even close`
`21:22.01`	`Iriel`	`I need to get someone to come pull some cable under my house`
`21:22.09`	`gnorlish`	`~literal emulate thrae`
`21:22.12`	`Thrae`	`~readinstructionmanual`
`21:22.21`	`cogwheel`	`purl, emulate Qzot is <action>Gree`
`21:22.23`	`purl`	`...but emulate qzot is already something else...`
`21:22.24`	`tyroney`	`I'll volunteer if food and transportation is involved.`
`21:22.32`	`cogwheel`	`purl, no emulate Qzot is <action>Gree`
`21:22.33`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`21:22.41`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate qzot`
`21:22.43`	`purl`	`ACTION Gree`
`21:22.50`	`Qzot`	`-.-`
`21:22.52`	`cogwheel`	`there ya go, thrae`
`21:22.54`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`21:22.56`	`Thrae`	`Ah right`
`21:23.05`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`21:23.06`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, emulate cogwheel is Look... I use ... even ... more... elipses... now that wow... uses... lua 5.1...`
`21:23.14`	`Thrae`	`purl, no emulate Qzot is <reply>Gree!`
`21:23.15`	`purl`	`Thrae: okay`
`21:23.21`	`Thrae`	`~emulate Qzot`
`21:23.22`	`purl`	`Gree!`
`21:23.46`	`Thrae`	`~emulate Thrae`
`21:24.06`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate purl`
`21:24.09`	`purl`	`ACTION tries to look like itself`
`21:24.25`	`Thrae`	`~emulate emulation`
`21:24.59`	`Qzot`	`purl, no emulate Thrae is <reply>~emulate purl`
`21:25.01`	`purl`	`Qzot: okay`
`21:25.09`	`Qzot`	`~emulate Thrae`
`21:25.10`	`purl`	`~emulate purl`
`21:25.17`	`jaxdahl`	`~emulate ~emulate purl`
`21:25.31`	`cogwheel`	`purl, this sentence is a lie.`
`21:25.32`	`purl`	`I think you lost me on that one, cogwheel`
`21:25.45`	`malreth`	`poor purl`
`21:25.50`	`malreth`	`getting abused and misused`
`21:25.55`	`Thrae`	`purl, emulate emulation is <action>performs an exercise in hopeless futility.`
`21:25.57`	`purl`	`Thrae: okay`
`21:26.02`	`jaxdahl`	`purl, honk`
`21:26.04`	`purl`	`hey, jaxdahl! honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk honk`
`21:26.06`	`tyroney`	`emulate tyroney`
`21:26.11`	`gnorlish`	`purl, define recursion`
`21:26.13`	`purl`	`Use ~dict for definitions.`
`21:26.13`	`tyroney`	`Oops.`
`21:26.22`	`tyroney`	`purl, emulate tyroney`
`21:26.24`	`purl`	`ACTION stares blankly`
`21:26.27`	`Thrae`	`~emulate recursion`
`21:26.29`	`jaxdahl`	`purl, karma iriel`
`21:26.29`	`purl`	`iriel has neutral karma`
`21:26.35`	`jaxdahl`	`Iriel++`
`21:26.45`	`Qzot`	`So, if a head louse lays 3 eggs on purl, and purl finds two of them, what is the score?`
`21:26.47`	`jaxdahl`	`karma c`
`21:27.01`	`jaxdahl`	`purl, karma c`
`21:27.01`	`purl`	`c has karma of 10`
`21:27.10`	`jaxdahl`	`purl, karma i`
`21:27.10`	`purl`	`i has neutral karma`
`21:27.18`	`jaxdahl`	`hmm.. no i++ or i-- in lua?`
`21:27.24`	`malreth`	`no`
`21:27.26`	`Amro`	`nop`
`21:27.27`	`Kirov`	`jaxdahl - no :(`
`21:27.38`	`Qzot`	`Nope. Simpliticy is the order of the day. Yay.`
`21:27.40`	`malreth`	`i = i + 1 works just fine`
`21:27.41`	`Amro`	`no += -= either`
`21:27.50`	`Qzot`	`Nope.`
`21:28.27`	`krka`	`which is a Good Thing(tm)`
`21:28.33`	`Qzot`	`Of course, you could use a metatable to redefine "=" to be summation assignment. :P`
`21:29.00`	`cogwheel`	`purl, no emulate cogwheel is <action>Shakes his fist at the forums. >:(`
`21:29.02`	`purl`	`cogwheel: okay`
`21:29.07`	`Amro`	`i use += because im lazy. why would i do that?`
`21:29.19`	`Cairenn`	`heh, ain't that the truth`
`21:30.34`	`Thrae`	`purl, no emulate cogwheel is <action>shakes his fish at the forums >:(`
`21:30.35`	`purl`	`Thrae: okay`
`21:30.40`	`Cide`	`krka: why a good thing? :)`
`21:30.52`	`krka`	`keeps the language simple`
`21:31.02`	`Qzot`	`Elegantly simple.`
`21:31.06`	`Qzot`	`Beautifully simple.`
`21:31.26`	`cogwheel`	`purl, no emulate cogwheel is <action>shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:(`
`21:31.28`	`purl`	`cogwheel: okay`
`21:31.34`	`tyroney`	`I dunno. I always thought += was kinda cool. ++ not so much.`
`21:31.50`	`Qzot`	`My daughter (the 23yo) complains that it takes forever to apply makeup in the "natural" style that the boys really like.`
`21:31.55`	`Cide`	`I can't see how var++/var--/++var/--var/+=/-=/*=/etc/ make it more complex`
`21:32.06`	`cogwheel`	`Qzot: O.o`
`21:32.13`	`tyroney`	`not having to type a variable name again, (especially when it's long) is one less typo to find.`
`21:32.15`	`Qzot`	`Lua is the same way: They've spent a lot of time making it gorgeously simple.`
`21:32.17`	`Thrae`	`++ makes sense in a compiled language as it directly cooresponds to INC on x86 at least.`
`21:33.02`	`Amro`	`doesn't matter, less typing is better`
`21:33.06`	`krka`	`you have a 23yo daughter? O_o`
`21:33.09`	`Cide`	`it's also very useful in statements, without having to use a separate statement`
`21:33.10`	`krka`	`old person! :P`
`21:33.20`	`malreth`	`well, the nice thing about lua is you can modify it for your own needs`
`21:33.29`	`krka`	`also, obl. have pix?`
`21:33.35`	`malreth`	`you could add ++ and -- post- and pre-fixes`
`21:33.40`	`Amro`	`you can't modify wow's for your own needs :/`
`21:33.50`	`Qzot`	`Cide: It's debatable, but adding ++/etc is adding new operators. While a convenience for the old hand, it definitely adds to the memory burden of knowing the language.`
`21:33.52`	`malreth`	`no, you can't modify wow. that would be evil`
`21:34.08`	`Cide`	`Qzot: then don't learn/remember them :)`
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`21:34.17`	`Cide`	`syntactic sugar ftw.`
`21:34.25`	`Thrae`	`malreth: You can do that with any compiled language with your own pre-compiler.`
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`21:34.35`	`malreth`	`but if you don't learn them, you won't be able to follow other people's code`
`21:34.38`	`Qzot`	`Cide: Not an option. Unless you're planning to never ready/modify/tweak someone else's code.`
`21:35.09`	`Amro`	`cmon who's gonna stare blankly at i++ in a while loop?`
`21:35.09`	`Qzot`	`Cide: On of the stated goals, e.g., of Modula-3, was to have a language whose technical description fit in 50 pages. They came pretty close.`
`21:35.24`	`Qzot`	`And it was a nice language, for its time.`
`21:35.33`	`Cide`	`++/-- are very intuitive compared to a lot of other stuff`
`21:35.48`	`Thrae`	`SmallTalk's goal was a compiler that fit on 1 page of code.`
`21:35.57`	`Qzot`	`Cide: Lol. Depending on "other", I agree with you.`
`21:36.06`	`Amro`	`you can tell what operators do from the context`
`21:36.15`	`Qzot`	`o.O`
`21:36.39`	`Thumann`	`hmm.. i've set toplevel="false" on my top frame.. but still it's acting like it's 'always on top' what gives? .)`
`21:36.59`	`Cide`	`there is learning involved with using a new language - adding two more (very intuitive) operators won't kill anyone, and most likely benefit the slackers`
`21:37.00`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: What's the frame's strata?`
`21:37.03`	`malreth`	`hmm... i don't think lua really needs the increment operators`
`21:37.10`	`cogwheel`	`The way I see it, we could write OO programs like: obj.method(obj, parm) But we have sugar to do: obj:method(parm) I don't see any reason they couldn't make x += y syntactic sugar for x = x + y`
`21:37.20`	`malreth`	`with local variables, i=i+1 compiles to a single opcode`
`21:37.25`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: do'h! ;) thanks.. it's dialog`
`21:37.30`	`Thumann`	`which ofc.. is always on top`
`21:37.38`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: They could.`
`21:37.44`	`Cide`	`malreth: then it could just optimize i++ to the same thing as i=i+1`
`21:37.50`	`cogwheel`	`Qzot: but they don't :(`
`21:37.52`	`krka`	`we can even write obj.method(param) really`
`21:38.04`	`krka`	`just that no one does it that way`
`21:38.08`	`krka`	`except me :P`
`21:38.17`	`cogwheel`	`krka, the problem with that is that it has no reference to itself`
`21:38.26`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: I personally favor the simplicity. Others don't. I don't expect everyone to agree with the precise edges.`
`21:38.27`	`krka`	`sure it does`
`21:38.29`	`krka`	`use a local`
`21:39.21`	`Thrae`	`We should optimize i++ into i!, where ! stands for increment. Why use up a whole extra character?!`
`21:39.30`	`Qzot`	`krka: Works for most of the way wow addons are coded. But doesn't permit any sort of subclassing.`
`21:39.46`	`Hatsuki`	`kt down`
`21:39.53`	`Amro`	`thrae while you're at it lets make single character programs too`
`21:39.55`	`krka`	`use getters and setters`
`21:40.07`	`cogwheel`	`I think all wow addons should be written in Brainfuck`
`21:40.22`	`malreth`	`ok... time to go home`
`21:40.24`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: hmm.. omitting frameStrata isn't enough.. do i need to set it to something else?`
`21:40.29`	`malreth`	`people are vomiting`
`21:40.32`	`malreth`	`i have to leave`
`21:40.36`	`malreth`	`later all!`
`21:40.37`	`cogwheel`	`Textures, strings, and other such nonsense would have to be hardcoded into the BF code`
`21:40.44`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: What is its parent's strata?`
`21:40.58`	`tyroney`	`could someone paste me a quick listing of the fram stratas?`
`21:40.59`	`cogwheel`	`The API would be accessed via specific memory locations`
`21:41.13`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. Implement a BF macro language.`
`21:41.16`	`Thumann`	`Parent="UIParent"`
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`21:42.37`	`cogwheel`	`tyroney: http://www.wowwiki.com/How_UI_Is_Rendered`
`21:42.43`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: Along with SetTopLevel, frames also have SetFrameLevel and SetFrameStrata. The default strata is "MEDIUM" I believe. When strata conflicts and toplevel not used, the frame with the higher FrameLevel is shown first. When FrameLevel conflicts, then it's probaly done in the order shown.`
`21:42.53`	`tyroney`	`That's my problem. Wowwiki isn't loading for me.`
`21:43.08`	`Iriel`	`toplevel has little to do with where it displays`
`21:43.15`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: ahh.. i found the enums`
`21:43.19`	`Thumann`	`thrae: thanks :)`
`21:43.22`	`Iriel`	`toplevel indicates if it should jump to the top of the stack if clicked`
`21:43.26`	`cogwheel`	`it was slow to respond for me too, but i got it eventually... BACKGROUND,LOW,MEDIUM,HIGH,DIALOG,FULLSCREEEN,FULLSCREEN_DIALOG,TOOLTIP`
`21:43.38`	`tyroney`	`Thanks.`
`21:43.45`	`Thrae`	`Oh silly me...and silly naming convention ;)`
`21:44.33`	`Thumann`	`thrae: will a new stata on a child overwrite the parent settings?`
`21:44.41`	`Thrae`	`Trying to contain all of the Blizzard API in my head is like filling my brain with noodles. Although my brain already resembles noodles. In a sense, we're all noodle-heads.`
`21:44.41`	`Thumann`	`*strata`
`21:44.55`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: New child settings always overwrite the parent settings`
`21:45.09`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: :)`
`21:45.28`	`wereHamster`	`I just saw that nihilum killed kel'thuzad, does anyone have screenshots?`
`21:45.32`	`Thrae`	`If they didn't overwrite, they wouldn't be children, they'd be clones`
`21:46.17`	`Shadowed`	`Really quick, anyone know what would cause a '...invalid next' type error with no file or line #?`
`21:46.51`	`Amro`	`check your fors`
`21:47.04`	`Cide`	`Shadowed: are you looping and deleting entries?`
`21:47.21`	`Shadowed`	`Shouldn't be, i'm pretty sure i do it outside of the loop i'm deleting from`
`21:47.24`	`Cide`	`I had that happen when using table.remove in a loop`
`21:47.42`	`Shadowed`	`How do you get around it, do you just add the row # to a new table and loop through that and delete?`
`21:47.46`	`Cide`	`and it would try to iterate to a nil index`
`21:48.21`	`Cide`	`if you need to delete, easiest is to go from end to start (for i = table.getn(tbl), 1, -1 do) in my opinion`
`21:48.31`	`Cide`	`delete using table.remove, I should say`
`21:48.34`	`Shadowed`	`alright, thanks`
`21:51.07`	`tyroney`	`isn't something terrible happnening to getn?`
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`21:53.28`	`Shadowed`	`Cide: So got my guild to switch to CTRA2 when it comes up :p`
`21:53.37`	`Shadowed`	`so i'm hopping it's more efficent then CTRA!`
`21:53.46`	`Qzot`	`Cide: What do you think is causing Shadowed's problem?`
`21:54.02`	`Shadowed`	`Qzot: He alreayd said, trying to use table.remove while doing for foo, bar in table do`
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`21:54.07`	`Shadowed`	`already*`
`21:54.09`	`[Ammo]`	`Nihilum killed Kel'Thuzad alright :)`
`21:54.15`	`Shadowed`	`eh?`
`21:54.16`	`Shadowed`	`link?`
`21:54.18`	`[Ammo]`	`with BigWigs :)`
`21:54.19`	`Qzot`	`Hmm.`
`21:54.39`	`Qzot`	`Is that syntax equivalent to pairs or to ipairs?`
`21:55.07`	`krka`	`is what?`
`21:55.56`	`Qzot`	`Is the "for foo,bar in tbl do..." equivalent to pairs(tbl) or ipairs(tbl)?`
`21:56.02`	`[Ammo]`	`pairs`
`21:56.03`	`Iriel`	`pairs`
`21:56.16`	`Iriel`	`in 5.0 anyway`
`21:56.18`	`Iriel`	`in 5.1 it's just gone`
`21:56.19`	`Qzot`	`Hmm.`
`21:56.30`	`Legorol`	`fyi, the EU PTR char copy page is up`
`21:56.33`	`Qzot`	`Then I'm failing to see how removing an element could generate an error.`
`21:56.46`	`Legorol`	`http://test.worldofwarcraft.com/en/copy/character-copy.html`
`21:56.57`	`Shadowed`	`Well, i'd imagine it doesn't check the size everyloop and only when it enters`
`21:57.07`	`Shadowed`	`So if a table has 10 rows, you remove 1 it'll now have 9 but it still thinks you have 10`
`21:57.13`	`Shadowed`	`(this is just a guess)`
`21:57.24`	`Legorol`	`downloading 0.12.1 client now...`
`21:57.27`	`cogwheel`	`shadowed, that's correct`
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`21:57.33`	`Legorol`	`woot woot for char copies!`
`21:57.34`	`Shadowed`	`go lucky guesses!`
`21:57.57`	`Shadowed`	`but yeah`
`21:58.04`	`Qzot`	`Presumably, pairs = function(t) return next, t, nil end, right?`
`21:58.26`	`Shadowed`	`the diference in using table.getn VS for id, row in table is that you may get a nil entry, but that wont break everything`
`21:58.36`	`Qzot`	`When is size checked if you're doing a pairs-style loop?`
`21:58.53`	`Amro`	`anyone have the regular expression for getting the name from an item link handy?`
`21:59.25`	`Cide`	`"%[(.-)%]" should work`
`22:00.09`	`Amro`	`thanks. and whats the function again? string.gmatch?`
`22:01.04`	`Qzot`	`string.find, but ignore the first two return values.`
`22:01.40`	`Amro`	`isnt it gfind because of the group in there?`
`22:01.48`	`Qzot`	`No.`
`22:02.02`	`Qzot`	`gfind returns an iterator.`
`22:02.11`	`Amro`	`oh`
`22:03.36`	`Qzot`	`for s in string.gfind("Tauren,Dwarf,Night Elf,Gnome","[^,]+") do ...`
`22:03.37`	`Legorol`	`woot, 1.12.1 patch notes!`
`22:03.50`	`Legorol`	`i can now confirm Kirkburn's patch notes weren't fake ;-)`
`22:04.01`	`Qzot`	`^-- iterates successively with s="Tauren", "Dwarf", etc.`
`22:04.26`	`Shadowed`	`Legorol: where?`
`22:04.27`	`Shadowed`	`linky!`
`22:05.01`	`Amro`	`thanks qzot`
`22:05.20`	`Qzot`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=%221.12.1+patch+notes%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official`
`22:05.27`	`Legorol`	`Shadowed: not link, it's being shown by the PTR patcher`
`22:05.37`	`Legorol`	`go grab the PTR patch`
`22:05.49`	`Legorol`	`otherwise i can pastebin it`
`22:05.56`	`Shadowed`	`Qzot's link works`
`22:06.04`	`Abenadi`	`i hope the withering touch bit doesn't mean the 'leaked' priest talents are actually real`
`22:06.08`	`Qzot`	`Google is your friend.`
`22:06.36`	`Legorol`	`aren't the priest talents up yet?`
`22:06.45`	`Shadowed`	`noooooooooooooooooo`
`22:06.45`	`Shadowed`	`Canceling Bloodrage while in PvP or dueling will no longer remove you from combat`
`22:06.58`	`Qzot`	`Stoopid warriors3.`
`22:07.30`	`Legorol`	`yay, first time ever i got the patch so quick.. servers aren't even up yet!`
`22:07.32`	`Legorol`	`go me`
`22:07.43`	`Abenadi`	`BC talents for priest / hunter / druid still not up, no`
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`22:10.50`	`Amro`	`anything interesting in ptr?`
`22:11.01`	`yammygirlcoding`	`night all !`
`22:11.21`	`yammygirlcoding`	`Please, anyone knows If there is a way to backup the friends list on client side files?`
`22:11.40`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5330-FriendSave.html`
`22:12.08`	`Amro`	`believe it or not`
`22:12.14`	`Amro`	`i made a mod like that just before downtime`
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`22:13.47`	`Amro`	`is there anything like a continue for loops?`
`22:13.48`	`Gngsk`	`hey cogwheel, you around?`
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`22:18.50`	`cogwheel`	`kinda... i'm at work`
`22:18.55`	`Gngsk`	`ahh, ok`
`22:19.12`	`Gngsk`	`well, I am getting an error with MonoLua and Tain's TinyPad`
`22:19.43`	`Gngsk`	MonoLua\MonoLua.lua:22: bad argument #1 to `insert' (table expected, got nil)
`22:19.50`	`Tain`	`Don't use mine, the updated normal tinypad is better.`
`22:20.11`	`Tain`	`Mine was a tiny addition that has been incorporated to the main TinyPad.`
`22:20.19`	`Gngsk`	`rgr`
`22:20.33`	`Kirov`	`did Gello fix the issue with the run button using the saved version of the page and not the current version?`
`22:20.40`	`Tain`	`That doesn't mean it won't work still. ;)`
`22:20.41`	`yammygirlcoding`	`You made a mod for this!?? ANd now that I was surprised by the downtime, is there a chance of backing up the friends list?`
`22:20.57`	`Tain`	`I think the latest version does, Kirov.`
`22:21.11`	`Tain`	`That bugged the everloving hell out of me, I had to revert to an older version.`
`22:21.11`	`Amro`	`yammygirl: too late`
`22:21.33`	`Amro`	`unless it gets cached and you can somehow scavenge it from WDBs`
`22:21.39`	`Cairenn`	`yammygirlcoding: already posted the first time you asked: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5330-FriendSave.html`
`22:22.32`	`yammygirlcoding`	`but the downtime started already. will it still work?`
`22:23.00`	`Amro`	`if you cant log on you cant save them using my addon, or the one cairenn posted`
`22:23.10`	`Amro`	`too late :(`
`22:23.11`	`Kirov`	`Tain - I just fixed my version, heh`
`22:23.36`	`Cairenn`	`dunno`
`22:24.11`	`yammygirlcoding`	`can't log. They started mantainance already, I didn't know they were doing that :(((((((((((`
`22:24.11`	`tyroney`	`finally the dowloader moves. I'm feeling generous here at work, so I'll leave it seeding.`
`22:24.44`	`tyroney`	`I stopped playing for awhile early summer, came back to no friends. It was actually kind of liberating.`
`22:24.54`	`yammygirlcoding`	`>p`
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`22:25.23`	`Amro`	`yammygirl that means you were playing on a shitty server that needed an upgrade (like me). you should love blizz now`
`22:25.44`	`yammygirlcoding`	`sigh`
`22:25.58`	`yammygirlcoding`	`Will it at least fix latency issues for good? :/`
`22:26.03`	`Amro`	`it had better`
`22:26.06`	`tyroney`	`Upgraded servers are noticably better.`
`22:26.24`	`yammygirlcoding`	`I hope so!! I had lots and lots of friends to lose :/`
`22:26.28`	`Kirov`	`Our server crashes more often since the last hardware upgrade`
`22:26.35`	`yammygirlcoding`	`O.o`
`22:26.36`	`Amro`	`yammy its not like you cant talk to them anymore`
`22:26.48`	`Kirov`	`The instance server specifically, the world is much better.`
`22:26.51`	`tyroney`	`My main server was an early upgrade. It's always been full, and when I've played on older medium pop servers, I found it annoying.`
`22:26.54`	`yammygirlcoding`	`ya but they were some many, I don't remember so many names`
`22:27.15`	`tyroney`	`(so medium with no update was slower than full with update)`
`22:27.24`	`Amro`	`if you dont remember their names, you dont wanna talk to them anyway ;]`
`22:27.41`	`Amro`	`my server was up since release`
`22:27.44`	`Amro`	`with no upgrades`
`22:28.10`	`yammygirlcoding`	`lol but I didnt put that list to remember in my mind cause I had blizz to remember for me. If they mentioned It could happens, I for sure would have made a backup :(`
`22:28.29`	`yammygirlcoding`	`It's like the phones you have in a notebook, you never remember them because they are there.`
`22:28.42`	`Amro`	`yes it was on short notice. they didnt mention the friend list thing when they first announced the downtime`
`22:28.53`	`yammygirlcoding`	`ya!!`
`22:29.14`	`yammygirlcoding`	`I fell backstabbed!!`
`22:29.24`	`jaxdahl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:29.27`	`jaxdahl`	`kelthuzad down`
`22:29.30`	`Amro`	`you sound like a new blizzard customer`
`22:29.57`	`yammygirlcoding`	`at least the new customer won't have they friends list erased like that :p`
`22:30.10`	`yammygirlcoding`	`cause he doesnt have one`
`22:30.47`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`22:30.48`	`purl`	`ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:(`
`22:31.04`	`yammygirlcoding`	`?`
`22:31.23`	`tyroney`	`save the whales`
`22:32.05`	`cogwheel`	`it used to be "shakes his fist" but it underwent some.... metamorphosis recently`
`22:32.08`	`yammygirlcoding`	`aah....ok... lets go find the other 42 whales eggs`
`22:35.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Ooooh, Nihilum has downed Kel'Thuzad \o/`
`22:35.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Yay for the EU :D`
`22:35.49`	`jaxdahl`	`EU has nothing to do with nihilum..`
`22:36.24`	`Mikma`	`yes it has, it has Nihilum :D`
`22:36.37`	`Kirkburn`	`09/07/06 23:38 (GMT+1) - Nihilum - Magtheridon(EU) - http://www.nihilum.co.uk/`
`22:37.43`	`yammygirlcoding`	`guys, no chance the friends list are inside savedvariables?`
`22:38.01`	`cogwheel`	`not unless you had an addon to save them`
`22:38.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Exactly one hour, that seems to be`
`22:38.19`	`Mery`	`(or an addon extending it)`
`22:54.22`	`Thumann`	`if i want some lua code to run every 30 sec how would i go about coding that.. can't really find anything about timers in the manual`
`22:54.39`	`Kirov`	`<OnUpdate> script handler on a frame.`
`22:56.31`	`Thumann`	`ahhh`
`22:56.33`	`Thumann`	`natually`
`22:56.53`	`Thumann`	`like in the clock tutorial i saw somewhere :D`
`22:58.18`	`yammygirlcoding`	`what If you made an external program to rewrite the lua file once every 5 seconds, or something? Will wow read it, right?`
`22:58.33`	`Thumann`	`yammygirlcoding: no,`
`22:58.40`	`yammygirlcoding`	`Or does it load all the lua files into memory once?`
`22:58.56`	`Mikk`	`they stay in memory`
`22:59.06`	`Thumann`	`yammygirlcoding: or sure.. but you'd need to do a reloadui every time.. :/`
`22:59.06`	`Mikk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:59.10`	`Qzot`	`Anyone know if there's something like *nix strings command which comes with cygwin?`
`22:59.15`	`yammygirlcoding`	`awnn hehe`
`22:59.26`	`Mikk`	`Qzot: if there is one, it'll be called "strings"`
`22:59.30`	`Mikk`	`that's what it's called everywhere`
`22:59.35`	`yammygirlcoding`	`cygwin comes with regular bash commands, as i remember`
`22:59.42`	`Mikk`	`bash has nothing to do with strings`
`22:59.48`	`Qzot`	`Mikk: Let's just say I already checked for that, okay?`
`22:59.58`	`Mikk`	`google strings.exe ftw? =)`
`23:00.00`	`yammygirlcoding`	`not even a grep? :(`
`23:00.16`	`Qzot`	`grep gets gross on binary files.`
`23:00.20`	`Mikk`	`http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Strings.html`
`23:00.23`	`Mikk`	`there we go`
`23:00.24`	`yammygirlcoding`	`hmm`
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`23:01.28`	`Mikk`	`there's also a slew of win32 ports of standard unix shell commands at http://unxutils.sourceforge.net`
`23:01.35`	`Mikk`	`standalone binaries, no cygwin blah`
`23:01.44`	`Mikk`	`(but no strings.exe is not among them for some weird reason)`
`23:03.33`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`23:04.21`	`Kirkburn`	`This still humours me :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4`
`23:08.45`	`Industrial`	`nn`
`23:08.48`	`Iriel`	`Qzot: Strings is available for cygwin, i'm 99% sure of it`
`23:08.50`	`Kirkburn`	`night`
`23:09.00`	`Iriel`	`Qzot: Make that 100%`
`23:12.17`	`Qzot`	`Iriel: I'm 100% sure it's not in my copy of cygwin executables. :D`
`23:12.30`	`Qzot`	`But the executable Mikk sent me is working just fine.`
`23:14.04`	`Qzot`	`Giant Door Fake Collision`
`23:15.08`	`Mikma`	`Mikk: i hope you put some backdoors in the .exe`
`23:16.11`	`Qzot`	`Dang! Why isn't WoW taking my password?`
`23:17.40`	`Mikma`	`whistles`
`23:20.03`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge zespri_work (n=andrews@124.197.13.229)`
`23:40.51`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge grumpey (n=Miranda@dialup-4.152.210.45.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net)`
`23:40.59`	`Mikk`	`your password is no longer yours`
`23:43.29`	`Mikk`	`never had so much fun designing icons`
`23:43.43`	`Thumann`	`hmm.. i've made an edit box in my module but the cursor can't leave it.. i have to click on a name in the chat window.. (or hide the ui) any ideas?`
`23:43.47`	`tyroney`	`Inkscape is the awesome.`
`23:45.13`	`Cairenn`	`Kirkburn: lots of people humour you :p`
`23:45.23`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
`23:45.29`	`Kirkburn`	`(like so!)`
`23:46.23`	`Mikk`	`Thumann: <OnEscapePressed> myEditbox:ClearFocus()`
`23:46.33`	`Mikk`	`Also disable autoFocus`
`23:48.34`	`Thumann`	`ah :) nice`
`23:50.38`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com)`
`23:56.37`	`Corrodias`	`HOly CRAP, check the staff that nihilum got from K'T`
`23:59.02`	`Codayus`	`nihilum dowed KT?`
`23:59.06`	`Kirkburn`	`yep`
`23:59.10`	`Codayus`	`world first?`
`23:59.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Yep`
`23:59.16`	`Codayus`	`yay`
`23:59.21`	`Kirkburn`	`09/07/06 23:38 (GMT+1) - Nihilum - Magtheridon(EU) - http://www.nihilum.co.uk/`
`23:59.35`	`Codayus`	`Nice to see a horde guild with a world first...`
`23:59.37`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.nihilum-gaming.co.uk/ in fact`
`23:59.53`	`Corrodias`	`and a note: friendsave should help you with maintenance erasing your list, but if you want to maintain the same friends/ignore list over all your characters, i recommend friendshare`

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