irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060908

`00:00.00`	`Corrodias`	`or friendsshare, whatever it is`
`00:00.04`	`Qzot`	`"world first" ~= "server first"?`
`00:00.04`	`Kirkburn`	`Loot: http://www.nihilum-gaming.co.uk/images/loot.jpg`
`00:00.13`	`Corrodias`	`Qzot: correct`
`00:00.22`	`Corrodias`	`if that's LUA notation`
`00:00.36`	`Qzot`	`Corrodias: correct`
`00:00.48`	`Corrodias`	`~= can also be "approximately" in other notation...`
`00:00.56`	`Qzot`	`if that's a question about my previous question`
`00:01.15`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tuller (n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net)`
`00:03.00`	`Tem`	`why do I find it incredibly funny that all the mages in that screenshot aren't wearing a single peice of gear from AQ40`
`00:03.15`	`Tem`	`(in nihilum's kill SS)`
`00:03.37`	`Tem`	`it looks like they're all wearing a smattering of naxx + nef drops`
`00:04.03`	`Tem`	`oh, my bad, I see one of them wearing the AQ shoulders...`
`00:04.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, the ventrilo recording is funny`
`00:05.06`	`Corrodias`	`because of the voices or the words?`
`00:05.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Both :)`
`00:06.00`	`Tem`	`yay for nerds`
`00:06.06`	`piehole-`	`well, technically, horde has world first final boss kills in all but BWL`
`00:06.37`	`Corrodias`	`i can't understand a thing they're saying`
`00:06.39`	`Corrodias`	`wtf`
`00:06.43`	`Tem`	`me either lol`
`00:06.51`	`Tem`	`I think I heard an "iceblock"`
`00:06.59`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
`00:06.59`	`Tem`	`and a few "What percent?"`
`00:07.29`	`Kirkburn`	`I must just be used to euro english :)`
`00:07.43`	`Corrodias`	`i heard some fuck yeah in there :D`
`00:07.45`	`Tem`	`oh and my favorite, "'how many people are still alive?' ...'uhh.. 20' 'at 4%? YEAH!'"`
`00:08.48`	`Cairenn`	`where's the video? linkage please?`
`00:09.04`	`Kirkburn`	`No vid yet`
`00:09.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Just the ventrilo recording`
`00:09.22`	`Cairenn`	`okay ... so linkage to that? :p`
`00:09.29`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.nihilum-gaming.co.uk/`
`00:09.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Click the pic for the loot, or vent link at the bottom`
`00:10.10`	`Cairenn`	`danke`
`00:10.12`	`Kirkburn`	`It's on an alternative server atm, the main website is hammered :P`
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`00:11.28`	`Cairenn`	`what's not to understand?`
`00:11.40`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Why the world isn't square!`
`00:12.19`	`Thumann`	`hmm.. name, rank, subgroup, level, class, fileName, zone, online, isDead = GetRaidRosterInfo(raidIndex);`
`00:12.42`	`Thumann`	`how can i... list raidindex of all warriors in the raid?`
`00:13.40`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Create a seconde table that stores the names of all of the Warriors in the guild, then access that table when you need to check them. Basically link it to the table of all raid members.`
`00:13.55`	`Qzot`	`Downloading?? o.O`
`00:14.06`	`Qzot`	`Hot patch?`
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`00:14.51`	`Qzot`	`Maybe not. I seem to be hung at downloading, presumably for downloading the downloader.`
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`00:15.11`	`Qzot`	`Can someone else try logging in, and see if it's just me, or if the servers are hosed?`
`00:15.45`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hosed?`
`00:15.59`	`Qzot`	`Kaput.`
`00:16.16`	`Qzot`	`Fried.`
`00:16.16`	`Qzot`	`Catawumpus.`
`00:16.26`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: Iterate over GetNumRaidMembers() where _,class = UnitClass(raidId). Second return is always English class name all uppercase.`
`00:16.54`	`Thrae`	`I think GetRaidRosterInfo might also have the English class name, not sure.`
`00:17.19`	`Qzot`	`Anyone else able to log in at present to US servers? Or not?`
`00:17.26`	`Cairenn`	`checking`
`00:17.33`	`Cairenn`	`live or ptr?`
`00:17.38`	`Qzot`	`Live.`
`00:17.42`	`Cairenn`	`checking`
`00:17.47`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I'm on one.`
`00:17.48`	`Cairenn`	`(just downloading ptr now)`
`00:18.08`	`Qzot`	`GeoDaMancer: Yes, but are you able to log into one?`
`00:18.17`	`Cairenn`	`I just logged in Qzot`
`00:18.25`	`Qzot`	`Wow.`
`00:18.30`	`Qzot`	`Thanks.`
`00:18.36`	`Cairenn`	`np`
`00:18.51`	`Qzot`	`I locked up, and it can't even seem to scrape off the instance.`
`00:19.14`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Yeah, like I said. I'm on/logged onto one.`
`00:19.35`	`Qzot`	`Logged onto one is not necessarily the same as being able to log into one.`
`00:19.52`	`Cairenn`	`ie, is the LOGIN server hosed :p`
`00:19.59`	`GeoDaMancer`	`True, but yes either way. Just changed character to check my mail. xD`
`00:20.02`	`Qzot`	`There are frequent cases where the login servers won't accept new people, but the existing servers are able to stay up.`
`00:20.37`	`Qzot`	`Changing chars wouldn't even necessarily trip the problem. It's re-entering your password that's the test I was looking for .`
`00:20.49`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: maybe i didn't understood you mate.. but GetNumRaidMembers() where _,class = Warrior(raidId) returns an error`
`00:20.56`	`Thumann`	`at _`
`00:21.35`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: UnitClass is a function call, it returns the localized class and english class of the unit id. "player" is a unit id. "party1" is a unit id. "raid12" is a unit id. etc.`
`00:21.47`	`Qzot`	`Ay yai yai! Can't get this task to halt even with the Task Manager. Gonna have to reboot. bbiab.`
`00:21.58`	`Cairenn`	`k`
`00:22.00`	`Tem`	`Qzot, where are you from`
`00:22.13`	`Thrae`	`localizedClass, englishClass = UnitClass("player") DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( localizedClass .. " " .. englishClass )`
`00:22.14`	`Qzot`	`CA, USA.`
`00:22.15`	`Tem`	`that's an expression from my neck of the woods`
`00:22.24`	`Cairenn`	`bbiab? I use that`
`00:22.29`	`Tem`	`no`
`00:22.32`	`Qzot`	`Your neck of the woods being...?`
`00:22.34`	`Tem`	`"ay yai yai"`
`00:22.43`	`Cairenn`	`rofl, that's from EQ :p`
`00:22.47`	`Tem`	`no`
`00:22.51`	`Tem`	`it's from Cajun people`
`00:22.55`	`Qzot`	`rofl, that's from "I Love Lucy".`
`00:23.05`	`Tem`	`eh, creols use it too`
`00:23.05`	`Kirkburn`	`ay yai yai I like you veeery much`
`00:23.08`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: Hunter HUNTER`
`00:23.09`	`Cairenn`	`ie, it's from all over ;)`
`00:23.15`	`Qzot`	`bbiab`
`00:23.35`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Is where actually part of a control structure?`
`00:23.47`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: And there you go. You're using an english client, so the first is also in english. If you were using a german client, the first return would be in german, while the second would be the same.`
`00:23.59`	`Thumann`	`i see`
`00:24.47`	`Tem`	`I guess I've just heard it so many times with that thick cajun accent that I just can't bring myself to hear it in other things`
`00:25.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Awesome! The latest word on the PTRs! http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1013306`
`00:25.27`	`Kirkburn`	`(seriously that's an official annoucement)`
`00:26.13`	`Tain`	`You've ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine!`
`00:26.38`	`Kirkburn`	`(if you don't believe me: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18681872&pageNo=1&sid=1#0)`
`00:27.19`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: so i need to make a loop that fetches the raidId of all Warriors`
`00:28.26`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: for i = 1,GetNumRaidMembers() do local _,englishClass = UnitClass("raid" .. i) if englishClass == "WARRIOR" then DoSomething() end end`
`00:31.39`	`Thumann`	`for i = 1,GetNumRaidMembers()`
`00:31.39`	`Thumann`	`do local _,englishClass = UnitClass("raid" .. i) if englishClass == "WARRIOR" then SetRaidSubgroup(i,"5") end end`
`00:31.42`	`Thumann`	`:) works`
`00:32.17`	`Thrae`	`Do you understand WHY it works?`
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`00:33.03`	`Thumann`	`it's like i++ in php i think`
`00:33.04`	`Thumann`	`right?`
`00:33.09`	`Thumann`	`if you know php`
`00:33.25`	`Thrae`	`Have you ever used a loop before?`
`00:33.57`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Thumann, it's like for (i=0; 4; i++) { ... }`
`00:34.14`	`Mikk`	`s/; i<4;/`
`00:34.50`	`Thrae`	`I'm not trying to badger you here, I kinda gave you the answer and don't want you to walk away not knowing how it actually works.`
`00:34.58`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Thanks, yeah.`
`00:35.28`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: yeah.. while loops etc`
`00:36.07`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: Do you know about functions? And functions that return values?`
`00:36.49`	`Kirkburn1`	`The BBC covers the PS3 delay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovRbVs_rgSc (I missed the News earlier today, yay for gamer viewers)`
`00:37.38`	`Thrae`	`Kirkburn1: Did Sony finally say "Holy crap we're not going to pull this Blueray off, put a DVD-ROM on there!"`
`00:37.54`	`Kirkburn1`	`If only - they might actually have a console to sell that way :P`
`00:38.40`	`Kirkburn1`	`I know that it has totally messed up Blockbuster's plans`
`00:38.59`	`Thrae`	`Plans to back Blueray, or plans to rent DVDs to PS owners?`
`00:39.05`	`Kirkburn1`	`They're trying to sell their games retailer atm - this reealy won't help`
`00:39.21`	`Kirkburn1`	`PLans to sell PS3 stuff`
`00:39.28`	`Thrae`	`Ah, yeah`
`00:39.46`	`Thrae`	`Sony is losing image very fast with their PSP campaigns`
`00:40.03`	`Thrae`	`God those commericials are horrible.`
`00:40.05`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Man, it's like cheese. >.>`
`00:40.14`	`Kirkburn1`	`Blockbuster itself is doing pretty badly atm, it's pulling out of european markets, and withdrawing people to the US`
`00:40.18`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I like some of them, but they're fairly annoying.`
`00:40.32`	`Thrae`	`What kind of demographic has the money AND lack of sense to buy a PSP even loosely based on those commericials?`
`00:41.01`	`Kirkburn1`	`(I have first-hand knowledge of this - my dad works for the International Office in the UK, which is closing before the end of this year :/`
`00:41.03`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I would answer that question, but...`
`00:41.04`	`Thrae`	`I didn't say they weren't comical, but that doesn't make them good either. (hello double negitives)`
`00:41.39`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Too true.`
`00:41.43`	`Kirkburn1`	`(he also knows the president of Blockbuster :P hehe)`
`00:41.55`	`GeoDaMancer`	`But, I know a lot of people who would buy it, just 'cause of the commercials.`
`00:41.58`	`Hexarobi`	`buster block?`
`00:42.17`	`Kirkburn1`	`Um, no =)`
`00:42.26`	`Thumann`	`thrae: yeah.. well.. GetNumRaidMembers() would return the total number of players in a raid right?`
`00:42.33`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: Right.`
`00:43.00`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: so.. that would be a function which returned values instead of changing anything`
`00:43.07`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: And in lua, functions can return more then 1 value. UnitClass returns 2 values, the localized class (the one in the client's language) and the english class all in uppercase.`
`00:43.10`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Lua is messed up, but I wish they would add the ability that is currently being discussed to other languages. It would lower the amount of array declarations. -_-`
`00:43.14`	`Thrae`	`Right.`
`00:43.15`	`Kirkburn1`	`In fact I met the president of BB in a gas station (oops, I mean petrol station) in Italy. Totally randomly.`
`00:43.52`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: oh..`
`00:44.02`	`Kirkburn1`	`Hanyway, the EU businesses as a whole are colelctively seething at Sony :/`
`00:44.11`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: And "raid" .. i is a string concatonation. Where "foo" .. "bar" = "foobar"`
`00:44.35`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: Except i is a variable, so whatever i currently holds is concat'd.`
`00:45.08`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: aye.. understood`
`00:45.08`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Wheee.`
`00:45.45`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Thumann: further, when you don't need to value from one of the returns the convention is to use _ instead of a full variable to cut down on GC.`
`00:45.53`	`Thumann`	`so ofc.. it's Raid1, Raid2 etc..`
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`00:46.02`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Yep, Thum.`
`00:46.54`	`Thumann`	`Thrae: aha.. so say..`
`00:47.23`	`Thumann`	`GetRaidRosterInfo(); has the following values: name, rank, subgroup, level, class, fileName, zone, online, isDead`
`00:47.34`	`Thumann`	`if i only wanted to see if the level of the player`
`00:47.42`	`Kirkburn1`	`Woo, I just got an addon that adds inline searching to IE7 :D`
`00:48.08`	`GeoDaMancer`	`_, _, _, level = GetRaidRosterInfo().`
`00:48.23`	`Thumann`	`_,_,_ level = GetRaidRosterInfo(raid1);`
`00:48.25`	`Thumann`	`ah`
`00:48.28`	`Thumann`	`close D:`
`00:48.41`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Need that last , in there.`
`00:48.56`	`Thumann`	`yeah.. or i would be asking for the _level value`
`00:48.58`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Elsewise it reads "_ level" as the variable and returns an error.`
`00:49.00`	`Thumann`	`which doesn't excist`
`00:49.04`	`Thumann`	`_ level even`
`00:49.05`	`GeoDaMancer`	`No.`
`00:49.23`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Well, yes, _ level is an error. You can put any name for the variable that it's set to, though.`
`00:49.40`	`GeoDaMancer`	`So to get level... _, _, _, levelWTF = Function()`
`00:49.59`	`GeoDaMancer`	`or _, _, _, WFTIsThisPersonsLevel would work too.`
`00:50.19`	`GeoDaMancer`	`The important part to be accepting the right variable location.`
`00:50.22`	`Thumann`	`message WFTIsThisPersonsLevel;`
`00:50.27`	`Thumann`	`would print in then`
`00:50.35`	`Thumann`	`pseudo codewise ofc.. :)`
`00:50.56`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Yep.`
`00:50.59`	`Thumann`	`ah..`
`00:51.05`	`GeoDaMancer`	`You're used to php, right?`
`00:51.06`	`Thrae`	`Thumann: function foo() return bar end \|\|\| function foobar() return foo,bar end \|\|\| a = foo() \|\|\| a,b = foobar()`
`00:51.31`	`Thrae`	`The 2nd one has 2 returns, they are seperated by commas when sending and receiving them.`
`00:52.33`	`Thumann`	`makes sense`
`00:52.56`	`GeoDaMancer`	`That'd be so useful in php. -_-`
`00:53.07`	`Legorol`	`Iriel, are you around?`
`00:53.28`	`Legorol`	`I found a Journal Page item, which is readable and causes bookworm to throw an error`
`00:53.41`	`Corrodias`	`oh god, somebody DID make a "tradeskill recipe lootlink", so to speak -- "recipe box"`
`00:53.59`	`GeoDaMancer`	`tradeskill recipe lootlink?`
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`01:01.35`	`Thumann`	`ahh well guys.. i'll go to bed.. thanks all for your help :) i'll be back to bug you fine gents later ;)`
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`01:02.45`	`Cairenn`	`night Thumann (and we're not all gents ;) )`
`01:03.08`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Laters, thumm.`
`01:03.15`	`Kaelten`	`I know I'm not, nothing gentlemen like about me`
`01:03.18`	`Thrae`	`Cairenn: I always thought "gents" was the UK/Aussie slang for "guys".`
`01:03.48`	`Cairenn`	`Thrae: which still applies ;)`
`01:04.30`	`Kirkburn`	`We have a .... a ... female in here? zomg, wimmen!`
`01:04.41`	`Thrae`	`I still contend "guys" is androgonous because the word "gals" sounds stupid and even a little demeaning to me.`
`01:04.42`	`Thumann`	`Eek! females`
`01:05.10`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Guys == you all.`
`01:05.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Gents is the word you put on the toilet. Posher way of saying 'guys', basically.`
`01:05.16`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Or, y'all.`
`01:05.18`	`Cairenn`	`so, Kirkburn, is "gents" used in the same fashion as "guys"`
`01:05.28`	`GeoDaMancer`	`'t least in my opinion.`
`01:05.42`	`Cairenn`	`and yes, I know :p`
`01:05.51`	`Cairenn`	`lol Kirkburn`
`01:06.06`	`Cairenn`	`but I'm still allowed to tease, it's one of the things I do best after all`
`01:06.13`	`Kirkburn`	`(Gents = gentlemen)`
`01:06.18`	`Thrae`	`I know men and women that use "Hey guys!", I do not know anyone who says "Hey gals!" except in a mysognistic way`
`01:06.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Ever the tease :P`
`01:07.01`	`Thrae`	`Hence, I contend the modern slang "guys" when refering to a group can refer to women as well.`
`01:07.17`	`Kirkburn`	`I wouldn't use "Hey guys" going up to a group of girls however`
`01:07.28`	`Kirkburn`	`You might come away with pain and suffering`
`01:07.35`	`Cairenn`	`I actually have any number of friends who will say "gnight guys & gals" or "ladies & gents"`
`01:07.58`	`Thrae`	`My female friends use "Hey guys" with their equally female friends...`
`01:08.41`	`Cairenn`	`as I said, I was mostly just giving you guys (:p) a rough time :p`
`01:08.44`	`Kirkburn`	`It's the unequal ones I worry about`
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`01:09.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Consider us roughened =)`
`01:10.26`	`Kirkburn`	`But just use something other than a grater next time, and no, sandpaper I veto`
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`01:14.49`	`Cairenn`	`okay Kirk, I don't like that ClearFont changes quest text to italics, do I change if (CanSetFont(QuestFont)) then QuestFont:SetFont(CLEAR_FONT_ITALIC ... to just be (Clear_FONT ... in the ClearFont.lua file?`
`01:15.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Indeedy! :)`
`01:15.15`	`Cairenn`	`in any other files?`
`01:15.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Nope, that's all you have to do`
`01:15.32`	`Cairenn`	`thankee`
`01:15.36`	`Kirkburn`	`np`
`01:15.41`	`Cairenn`	`and why oh why did I never install this before`
`01:15.51`	`Cairenn`	`my poor overly abused tired eyes thank you`
`01:16.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol`
`01:16.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`cair has sucumb`
`01:17.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Time to activate the secret "what addons is Cair using" function. Oh wait, I just said that out loud, didn't I?`
`01:17.33`	`Cairenn`	`oh, and, btw, ack, I just admitted to a mod I'm now using, something I usually try to avoid doing`
`01:17.39`	`Cairenn`	`ROFL`
`01:17.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol`
`01:17.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Told you I was reading your mind, didn't I =)`
`01:18.04`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`01:18.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`I'm resistant to advertizing`
`01:19.08`	`Cairenn`	`well, as pointed out, technically I've only admitted to a mod that I'm currently trying out`
`01:19.16`	`Cairenn`	`and I try out a LOT`
`01:19.26`	`Kirkburn`	`I can imagine`
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`01:19.39`	`gnorlish`	`clearfont isn't so much an addon as it is a complete and utter necessity`
`01:20.04`	`Kirkburn`	`You guys (and gals ;) are so nice :D`
`01:30.20`	`Gngsk`	`so true though`
`01:31.11`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
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`01:35.46`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hey, ckk, thanks for pushing me towards th' other room.`
`01:38.21`	`Kirkburn`	`Time for bed :) Night night you wonderful people, you!`
`01:38.40`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Sleep well, Kirkles.`
`01:38.56`	`Kirkburn`	`You too!`
`01:39.33`	`Cairenn`	`night Kirk`
`01:40.23`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I love his quit.`
`01:40.27`	`GeoDaMancer`	`But it pisses me off.`
`01:41.30`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I paid for the newest Zelda game last March when it was still supposed to be coming out that April. -_-`
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`01:47.17`	`Mikk`	`ooookay... slight problem in inkscape`
`01:47.21`	`Mikk`	`(in case someone knows it)`
`01:47.42`	`Mikk`	`i've got a bitmap, that i want to cut out a chunk of (non-rectangular obviously) and turn it transparent`
`01:47.53`	`Mikk`	`and for this to remain transparent on png export`
`01:47.56`	`Mikk`	`.... help? =)`
`01:48.24`	`GeoDaMancer`	`No idea, sorry.`
`01:48.52`	`Guillotine`	`my suggestion:`
`01:48.54`	`Guillotine`	`get GIMP`
`01:49.18`	`Guillotine`	`dunno about Inkscape, but that would be extremely easy to do in GIMP`
`01:49.23`	`Guillotine`	`and its freeware`
`01:49.32`	`Guillotine`	`and curse is taking too long to accept addons ><`
`01:49.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`agreed`
`01:50.41`	`Mikk`	`well humm let's see... why don't i use GIMP here`
`01:50.50`	`Mikk`	`ohyeah because i want to work with vectors, not pixels`
`01:51.00`	`Mikk`	`(inkscape == freeware vector graphics program)`
`01:52.09`	`GeoDaMancer`	`All spells of the same type, but different rank, share cooldown times, right?`
`01:53.58`	`Tem`	`yes`
`01:54.01`	`Mr_Rabies`	`if not at least a huge majority do`
`01:54.26`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Are there any in specific that don't?`
`01:56.08`	`Mikk`	`Ah. Convert the imported bitmap into a rectangle with the bitmap as a fill pattern. Then you can have fun.`
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`02:01.17`	`Warla`	`omg who wants a kickass laughter`
`02:01.21`	`Warla`	`rad first post here:`
`02:01.22`	`Warla`	`http://www.mshade.net/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=1752`
`02:17.00`	`Mikk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Stub <- am i likely to get my head thwapped over that layout? (the bit with the wooden sign etc)`
`02:17.51`	`Mikk`	`The top banner used to simply be http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Policy&oldid=171467`
`02:20.50`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz`	`Mikk: nothing bad on my end`
`02:21.06`	`Cairenn`	`why would anyone have a problem with that?`
`02:21.15`	`Mikk`	`because the sign is less than professional? =)`
`02:21.28`	`Cairenn`	`f'em if they can't take a joke :p`
`02:21.31`	`Mikk`	`haha`
`02:24.06`	`moird`	`Alright I really must be doing something totally retarded here, but http://wowi.pastey.net/673 The frame will appear correctly everything is set correctly according to the wikki n such, but the frame as such is not movable (just trying to get a base understanding of doing it this way... any ideas?`
`02:25.21`	`Gngsk`	`EnableMouse(true) ?`
`02:25.34`	`moird`	`ok I am retarded`
`02:25.40`	`Gngsk`	`:p`
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`02:34.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`moo`
`02:34.55`	`Cairenn`	`purr`
`02:35.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`anyone got any idea how i might track loot drops in ML or group loot mode from a raid boss?`
`02:36.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`if you didn't loot or weren't the ML`
`02:37.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`i could track who got the loot, but how would i pin that on a mob`
`02:37.15`	`Mikk`	`i don't see that you can`
`02:37.32`	`Mikk`	`afaik there's no message saying where it came from`
`02:37.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`well, no one's come up with a way yet...`
`02:37.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`but that doesn't eman there isn't some way to guess that would be reasonably accurate`
`02:38.02`	`Mikk`	`track mobs dying?`
`02:38.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`so.. track all ?? mobs maybe`
`02:39.03`	`Mikk`	`well`
`02:39.06`	`Mikk`	`i'd track all deaths`
`02:39.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`but if you kill mutliple how would you get from what it came from?`
`02:39.31`	`Mikk`	`but if i only wanted to record boss loot, i'd obviously not record anything if the last death wasn't a raid boss`
`02:40.03`	`Mikk`	`(hmm.. is there any place where you need to kill shit AFTER a raid boss is dead?)`
`02:40.09`	`Mikk`	`oop yes there is`
`02:40.28`	`Mikk`	`some guilds keep the bloodlord's raptor alive throughout`
`02:40.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`lot of bosses have adds`
`02:40.54`	`Mikk`	`yeah but adds that die after the boss, specifically`
`02:41.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`right lots`
`02:41.19`	`Mikk`	`of course, you're screwed as for majordomo loot tracking`
`02:41.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`like Moam for example`
`02:41.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`not exactly`
`02:41.40`	`Mikk`	`well.. he never dies :-P`
`02:41.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`domo you can pin to an openning of the chest`
`02:41.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's actually easier`
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`02:42.37`	`Mikk`	`you don't get "perform opening" messages anymore`
`02:42.43`	`Mikk`	`=(`
`02:42.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`not a problem`
`02:43.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`i have localization free tracking :)`
`02:43.12`	`Mikk`	`huh?`
`02:43.24`	`Mikk`	`how do you tell from game events if someone's opened an object?`
`02:43.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's top secret hackery`
`02:43.36`	`Mikk`	`gah =)`
`02:44.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`i haven't been payed for it yet or id tell you`
`02:44.56`	`Mikk`	`would you accept a CTL update that throttles more as a down payment? =P`
`02:44.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`plus it needs more testing.`
`02:45.26`	`Mikk`	`(on a sidenote.. i think i want to do some extra logic in CTL... throttle bulk traffic harder if in combat)`
`02:45.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`i already hacked CTL a bit to 4000 max burts`
`02:45.56`	`Mikk`	`yeah i was thinking 800/4000`
`02:46.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`good idea`
`02:46.57`	`Mikk`	`(i still don't get it... the server buffer really is 32KB in all my experiments.. and i've tried over 2000CPS output of different sizes, whilst getting 4000+CPS input)`
`02:47.02`	`Mikk`	`(AND running around and killing stuff)`
`02:47.10`	`Mikk`	`ohwell`
`02:47.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`btw does gatherer still work? Cause i know my version stopped in 1.12 when those msgs got lost`
`02:47.21`	`Mikk`	`yeah, there's a new version out`
`02:47.21`	`Gryphen`	`works`
`02:47.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`kk, wonder what it uses`
`02:47.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`prolly the same hting i do`
`02:47.40`	`Mikk`	`tooltip scan + detect herb loot perhaps`
`02:47.57`	`Mikk`	`(mouseover tooltip i mean)`
`02:48.35`	`Mikk`	`oh and "herbalism" / "mining" being channeled of course`
`02:49.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`ah ok, so they`
`02:49.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`'re still localized`
`02:49.32`	`Mikk`	`no i distinctly remember talking to someone about how to get that stuff out from the game from various places`
`02:50.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`might have been me`
`02:50.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`you can farm it from your profession list`
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`02:53.15`	`Cairenn`	`welcome back ckknight`
`02:53.17`	`ckknight`	`hey all, back`
`02:55.49`	`Guillotine`	`does Clad ever come on IRC anymore?`
`02:55.54`	`tyroney`	`sorry, quick q: determining if there's currently a target/`
`02:56.17`	`Guillotine`	`if UnitExists('target')`
`02:57.00`	`tyroney`	`thanks`
`02:57.06`	`Guillotine`	`np ^_^`
`02:57.52`	`Guillotine`	`(returns nil if no target, 1 if there is a target)`
`03:00.12`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I'm sad that tooltips don't hold rank information. -_-`
`03:00.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`pvp rank?`
`03:01.01`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Nah, spell rank. xD`
`03:01.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`yes they do..`
`03:01.26`	`GeoDaMancer`	`They do?`
`03:01.37`	`GeoDaMancer`	`>.> Let me relook, I might have been viewing the wrong one.`
`03:01.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`GameTooltip:GetRightText1()`
`03:02.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`er`
`03:02.34`	`GeoDaMancer`	`No, that's right.`
`03:02.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`GameTooltipTextRight1:GetText()`
`03:02.53`	`GeoDaMancer`	`In the spellbook, it doesn't have that though.`
`03:03.04`	`GeoDaMancer`	`In the Actionbar it does.`
`03:03.16`	`GeoDaMancer`	`So, all is right with the world, and Baby Jesus is not angry.`
`03:03.34`	`AnduinLothar`	`ah it's on the text next to the button`
`03:03.37`	`GeoDaMancer`	`It's great when Baby Jesus loves you. xD`
`03:03.42`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Yep.`
`03:03.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`availibel by api command given the spellid`
`03:03.59`	`GeoDaMancer`	`But, in the actionbar, which is where I need the info from, it's the right text. ^_^`
`03:06.56`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Hells yes!`
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`04:15.59`	`Cairenn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:16.16`	`Shadowed`	`just watch heigan`
`04:16.19`	`Shadowed`	`can't beat that dancing`
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`04:17.00`	`Cairenn`	`gimme a link to prove it :p`
`04:17.10`	`Shadowed`	`curse has one somewhere`
`04:18.52`	`Shadowed`	`I though Chromatic dragons we're a little bit of everykind not just red and black`
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`04:34.23`	`Guillotine`	`g2g guys, gn :)`
`04:38.08`	`Tem`	`night Cair`
`04:38.52`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`night guys`
`05:10.59`	`Iriel`	`Sleep time`
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`06:20.23`	`Kirov_`	`so, curious bug`
`06:23.48`	`Kirov_`	`parent frame is set to an alpha, create sub frames, bug!`
`06:24.16`	`Kirov_`	`New frames don't seem to use their parent's alpha`
`06:25.05`	`s\|loup`	`hi`
`06:27.48`	`Corrodias`	`i went out with my friends, drinking for the second time in my life so far`
`06:28.16`	`Corrodias`	`as a male of 130 lb with no tolerance, it doesn't take much to get me completely unable to stand`
`06:29.10`	`Kirov_`	`lol`
`06:29.30`	`Kirov_`	`My 21st birthday my friends and sister took me out drinking.`
`06:30.06`	`Kirov_`	`I had 7 huge drinks and 3 shots that night over the course of about 3 hours ... my nose was fuzzy feeling and that was about it.`
`06:30.15`	`Kirov_`	`They got pissed I didn't look drunk.`
`06:30.21`	`Gngsk`	`genetics ftl`
`06:30.41`	`Gngsk`	`with a handle like kirov it's not surprising :P`
`06:30.55`	`Corrodias`	`hmph`
`06:31.43`	`Corrodias`	`after 2 shots of some 100-proof thing and then, after feeling almost completely sober, 2 shots of 80-p vodka and then waiting about 30 minutes, i couldn't even roll upright while lying on the floor`
`06:31.55`	`Corrodias`	`*after waiting until i was feeling almost completely sober`
`06:32.09`	`Corrodias`	`not that it didn't affect me, no, i'm talking about afterward.`
`06:32.17`	`gnorlish`	`you're a cheap date`
`06:32.18`	`gnorlish`	`lucky you`
`06:32.20`	`Gngsk`	`hard liquor is not a good idea for your 2nd time drinking ever`
`06:32.55`	`Kirov_`	`Gngsk - well, I'm actually Polish / Lithuanian / English ... not Russian as my nick might make one think.`
`06:33.03`	`Corrodias`	`well, it wasn't that much. the initial stuff was pretty tame, and then the vodka was mixed with root beer which actually was quite nice`
`06:33.12`	`Gngsk`	`Kirov, close enough`
`06:33.24`	`Corrodias`	`although the combination of the two things really had me out for the count`
`06:33.30`	`Kirov_`	`Gngsk - and there's a funny story behind "Kirov"`
`06:33.41`	`Gngsk`	`do tell`
`06:33.44`	`Corrodias`	`i think i laughed uproariously at my friend saying "mat"`
`06:34.40`	`Corrodias`	`sorry, "mats"`
`06:34.50`	`Kirov_`	`I usually go by "Brodrick", but the name was taken on the server I started my character on. The friend I started playing WoW with randomly generated his name and got Vorik. I was lazy and just used the reverse, only to later find out it's the name of a famous Russian actor from the 40s, as well as a major ballet company.`
`06:35.21`	`Gngsk`	`ahh`
`06:35.41`	`Mr_Rabies`	`the random name generator is a minigame in itself`
`06:35.47`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i got haxxor once`
`06:35.55`	`Gngsk`	`:o`
`06:36.06`	`Gngsk`	`that's aking to winning the lottery`
`06:36.08`	`Corrodias`	`i spoke to a GM with a rather bizarre name. upon commenting on it, he said "random name generator ftw"`
`06:36.10`	`Gngsk`	`*akin`
`06:36.15`	`gnorlish`	`gnorlish + karainga both generated`
`06:36.18`	`Corrodias`	`*upon my commenting on it`
`06:36.18`	`Kirov_`	`It's made more humorous when people who he and I played with for a year would one day, in the middle of the raid go, "Hey, Vorik is Kirov backwards, did you guys notice that before?"`
`06:36.43`	`Esamynn`	`lol`
`06:37.10`	`s\|loup`	`is there a function to take up item from loot-bag?`
`06:37.30`	`Kirov_`	`TakeLoot(index)`
`06:37.32`	`Kirov_`	`I think`
`06:37.43`	`Esamynn`	`no`
`06:38.00`	`Esamynn`	`LootItem is for confirming BoP items`
`06:38.08`	`Corrodias`	`"Tzayqa"`
`06:38.17`	`Esamynn`	`no way to loot an item except for the user clicking the LootButton`
`06:38.17`	`s\|loup`	`cant find TakeLoot on wowwiki`
`06:38.20`	`Corrodias`	`Tzayqa was the name of the GM who apparently got it from the random generator.`
`06:38.35`	`Esamynn`	`or shift+right-clicking the body`
`06:40.14`	`s\|loup`	`k thanks`
`06:40.32`	`Esamynn`	`LootButton is actually a special widget type`
`06:43.01`	`Kirov_`	`You can do it from script if you have masterlooter`
`06:43.17`	`Esamynn`	`Kirov, no you still have to click the lootbutton first`
`06:43.46`	`Kirov_`	`really?`
`06:43.51`	`Esamynn`	`yes`
`06:43.56`	`Kirov_`	`interesting`
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`06:46.34`	`Kirov___`	`um`
`06:51.41`	`Kirov_______`	`<_<`
`06:51.42`	`Kirov_______`	`>_>`
`06:53.01`	`Esamynn`	`~lart Kirov`
`06:53.07`	`Kirov`	`>.<`
`06:53.07`	`Esamynn`	`~lart Mr_Rabies`
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`06:54.01`	`Esamynn`	`~lart Mr_Rabies`
`06:54.25`	`Esamynn`	`purl trumps all ;)`
`06:55.08`	`Esamynn`	`~lart Mr_Rabies`
`06:55.23`	`Esamynn`	`or`
`06:55.29`	`Esamynn`	`~cheeseslap Mr_Rabies`
`06:55.31`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps Mr_Rabies around with a wheel of limburger`
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`06:57.16`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i have done an other test but ADDON_LOADED is defently not safe !`
`06:57.24`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`im gona update the wiki :p`
`06:57.39`	`Esamynn`	`hmm, come again?`
`07:00.03`	`Kirov`	`safe?`
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`07:02.04`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well not reliable but i probely misspelled that word :p`
`07:02.14`	`Esamynn`	`how so?`
`07:02.24`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`since u dont recieve messages from all addons`
`07:02.31`	`Esamynn`	`yes you do`
`07:02.37`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`go test it`
`07:02.39`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i jsut did`
`07:02.43`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`whit a print`
`07:02.49`	`Esamynn`	`well, not from addons that loaded BEFORE yours`
`07:03.01`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`exactly`
`07:03.15`	`Esamynn`	`that's not unreliable, that makes complete sense`
`07:03.27`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`so ppl should use IsAddonLoaded instead in my oppinion'`
`07:03.43`	`Cairenn`	`in your opinion being the key phrase there`
`07:04.00`	`Cairenn`	`and it depends on what you are using it for, now doesn't it?`
`07:04.02`	`Esamynn`	`for testing if an addon is loaded, yes, that's the point of the function \|FF\|Im2good4u`
`07:04.26`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well on wiki it doesnt tell that it only works for addons that gets loaded after yours`
`07:04.42`	`kergoth`	`ADDON_LOADED is sent when an addon is loaded`
`07:04.47`	`kergoth`	`how hard is that to understand, honestly?`
`07:04.49`	`Esamynn`	`that's implicit in the nature of the event`
`07:05.04`	`s\|loup`	`hihi`
`07:05.06`	`kergoth`	`if it was loaded before you, obviously the event was sent before your addon registered the event`
`07:05.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke go ahead all turn against me`
`07:05.27`	`Cairenn`	`boggle`
`07:05.30`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`u forget that not every1 here is an expert'`
`07:05.31`	`Esamynn`	`we're not against you....`
`07:05.40`	`Cairenn`	`this is called "explaining"`
`07:05.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke`
`07:06.10`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i understnad how it works it is just not wut i expected it todo`
`07:06.32`	`Esamynn`	`this is how we impart knowledge here, if you don't like it, then I suggest you remove yourself form the channel, not to sound harsh or anything, thats just the way it is`
`07:06.33`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`basicly i expect an addon to be able to recieve all event not just the ones after my addon :p`
`07:06.56`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`actualy i like this channel :p`
`07:06.58`	`Esamynn`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: the nature of the event system is that you only recieve events that occur after you register for the event`
`07:07.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`Yes indeed'`
`07:07.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i thought blizzard said the game saved a logfile if it locked up for more than x seconds`
`07:08.02`	`Esamynn`	`so why did you expect to see the events for addons that loaded before yours?`
`07:08.40`	`kergoth`	`sorry, but your addon doesnt time travel :P`
`07:08.49`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`basicly becase u register directly in your own onload an expect the addon loaded event to fire after all addon are loaded up in memory`
`07:09.10`	`kergoth`	`the addon_loaded event is fired when taht addon is loaded`
`07:09.18`	`Esamynn`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: addons are loaded one after another, not all togeather`
`07:09.27`	`nevcairiel`	`if you really need all events, just name your addon "!!!Addon" and hope its loaded first :)`
`07:09.31`	`kergoth`	`hope is right`
`07:09.35`	`kergoth`	`not all machines load alphabetically`
`07:09.47`	`kergoth`	`s/machines/operating systems/`
`07:09.49`	`nevcairiel`	`i noticed that .. for some weird reason`
`07:09.51`	`Esamynn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Code_Load_Order`
`07:12.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is it normal for framexml.log to be like completely loaded with errors?`
`07:12.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm trying to track down my lockup problem`
`07:12.22`	`Esamynn`	`not uncommon`
`07:12.39`	`Esamynn`	`lots of addons produce errors in that log and the authors never bother to check`
`07:13.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`its pretty loaded with them, no clue if that has anything to do with it`
`07:14.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but i'm tired of the game locking up on me`
`07:14.05`	`Cairenn`	`Esamynn: be truthful, lost of authors don't even know about it, let alone bother to check it`
`07:14.15`	`Esamynn`	`good point`
`07:14.15`	`Cairenn`	`lots*`
`07:14.34`	`Kirov`	`Mr_Rabies2 - that log is created on load, after that, the xml doesn't ever get looked at`
`07:14.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ah`
`07:14.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lockups rarely if ever happen on load`
`07:14.57`	`Kirov`	`which reminds me I need to fix one of my addons`
`07:15.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mostly just random`
`07:15.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's really annoying though`
`07:15.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have to alt ctrl delete and spam windows key and hope the computer's responding well enough for me to close the process`
`07:15.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and sometimes that takes 15+ minutes`
`07:15.44`	`nevcairiel`	`i had some fun lockup which always happend on the gryphon from ironforge to epl just when i crossed the hinterlands. it always happend.`
`07:15.49`	`Cairenn`	`Mr_Rabies :(`
`07:16.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`generally happens at least once or twice per session`
`07:16.22`	`Kirov`	`Mr_Rabies - sounds like an infinite loop`
`07:16.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`are these things not logged anywhere?`
`07:16.38`	`Cairenn`	`something is definitely messed up`
`07:16.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i seem to remember blizzard noting that lockups for more than x amount of seconds are logged somewhere`
`07:17.24`	`Esamynn`	`Mr_Rabies2: i have never heard that`
`07:17.29`	`Kirov`	`Me either`
`07:17.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it was back when the test realm was out for 1.12`
`07:17.49`	`Esamynn`	`would be interesting though`
`07:17.59`	`Kirov`	`perhaps on the test realm`
`07:18.00`	`Cairenn`	`I actually think I have, but I don't think it provides you with anything useful`
`07:18.01`	`Kirov`	`only`
`07:18.14`	`Cairenn`	`lemme see if I can remember which file it was that I was poking around in`
`07:19.52`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`does any1 got auctioneer 3.8.0 ?`
`07:19.55`	`Kirov`	`weird amount of info in the BackgroundDownload.log`
`07:19.56`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`(dl link`
`07:20.36`	`Kirov`	`http://www.auctioneeraddon.com/`
`07:20.41`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`thanks`
`07:20.55`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`some1 says that my mod nolnoger works whit it :(`
`07:21.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it might be because my lootlink database is freaking huge, i don't know, but i'm tired of the disconnects :x`
`07:21.19`	`Kirov`	`Mr_Rabies2 - oh`
`07:21.20`	`Cairenn`	`may have been the connection.log file I was thinking of, Mr_Rabies`
`07:21.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my itemcache.wdb is 4.78 MB, that's where lootlink checks, right?`
`07:21.44`	`Kirov`	`nope`
`07:21.55`	`Kirov`	`SavedVariables\LootLink.lua`
`07:21.59`	`kergoth`	`no. lootlink maintains its own db. itemdb and ludwig use the itemcache`
`07:22.11`	`Kirov`	`and LinkItem`
`07:22.22`	`Cairenn`	`more specifically, ..\wtf\account\<account>\savedvariables\..`
`07:23.46`	`Shadowed`	`Sleeps overrated again cair?`
`07:23.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`then again i'm still running off an install from december 04, savedvariable issues won't cause d/cs will they? :x`
`07:24.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've got savedvariables from their old format and the new one both`
`07:24.24`	`Esamynn`	`night all`
`07:24.38`	`Cairenn`	`night Esamynn\|afk`
`07:24.54`	`Cairenn`	`Shadowed: insomnia, again /sigh`
`07:25.05`	`Cairenn`	`soooo frigging tired`
`07:27.38`	`s\|loup`	`there is a place at your home where you can cure that ;)`
`07:27.47`	`Shadowed`	`:(`
`07:28.36`	`Cairenn`	`Mr_Rabies: easy way to find out if that's the problem. make a backup copy of your old lootlink and its SV, move em out of their respective folders, dump in a current lootlink and see how it goes`
`07:28.50`	`Cairenn`	`if problem continues, that wasn't the problem, put the old back in`
`07:28.56`	`Cairenn`	`if problem goes away ....`
`07:29.00`	`Cairenn`	`:p`
`07:29.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well, the problem with that is, i can't do that with EVERY addon i have installed :x`
`07:29.41`	`Cairenn`	`well, you can also do the standard that we all tell everyone on the forums :p`
`07:29.47`	`Cairenn`	`disable half, log in, see if it happens`
`07:30.01`	`Cairenn`	`if not, log out, re-enable those, disable the other half :p`
`07:30.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well the problem is i have to play for hours sometimes for it to happen`
`07:30.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's a painful bug to try to squash`
`07:30.40`	`Cairenn`	`yup, but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know :p`
`07:30.40`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wow weird aucioneer 3.8.0 is compeltely bugged for me :p`
`07:31.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`whats it doing, name i can't even figure out how to refer to you as?`
`07:31.55`	`Cairenn`	`you really do need to change your name to something less ... b.net-kiddy, \|FF\|Im2good4u :p`
`07:32.21`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`its my gaming name i use other channels on this network`
`07:32.44`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`im officail beta tester of some shootgames so sorry cant do`
`07:33.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i felt like the only guy on bnet with a legible name`
`07:33.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd be like`
`07:33.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Hey....uh.... d90fi....sorc, help me here`
`07:33.40`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`07:33.57`	`Cairenn`	`aaaaanyway ... as Mr_Rabies said, what's it doing \|FF\|Im2good4u?`
`07:34.41`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well when i open auction frmae it pop up an error cannot call babyliinio or osmethine :P at line 34`
`07:35.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`and whne i make a chat link i get my entire chat window filled whit lua erorr messages ;p`
`07:35.48`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but i fixed`
`07:36.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm... did they remove gatherer from the auctioneer pack?`
`07:37.01`	`Cairenn`	`looks like`
`07:37.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yep i don't see it anywhere on auctioneeraddon.com`
`07:37.27`	`Cairenn`	`not surprised, given some of the comments I've heard from Es & norgs & Mental, in here`
`07:37.53`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`no my prob was that i did a crap instap instal :p`
`07:38.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`like what, cair?`
`07:38.26`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i laoded 3.6.1 then copy pasted 3.8.0 over it :P and open the auction window lol`
`07:38.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`while ingame?`
`07:38.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you pasted over the folder while ingame?`
`07:39.07`	`Cairenn`	`heh, no wonder you had problems`
`07:39.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`sometimes a reloadui will fix that when just upgrading but a lot of cases it wont`
`07:39.47`	`Cairenn`	`always best to be logged out when upgrading`
`07:39.48`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well i decided to restart wow to reload the .toc's`
`07:41.24`	`Kirov`	`will we be able to do select(FuncThatReturnsFiveArgs(), 5) in 2.0?`
`07:42.41`	`ckknight`	`nope.`
`07:42.56`	`ckknight`	`mostly cause you wrote it wrong.`
`07:43.04`	`Kirov`	`sweet`
`07:43.05`	`ckknight`	`but you can do select(5, FuncThatReturnsFiveArgs())`
`07:43.09`	`ckknight`	`that'd work.`
`07:43.15`	`ckknight`	`;-)`
`07:43.40`	`Kirov`	`hehe`
`07:43.59`	`Kirov`	`local _,_,_,_,_,_,_,_,_,_,_,bar = {this:GetRegions()};`
`07:43.59`	`Kirov`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:44.01`	`Kirov`	`wee`
`07:44.04`	`ckknight`	`you can have select in 5.0, it's just not nearly as efficient.`
`07:44.20`	`ckknight`	`function select(i, ...) return arg[i] end`
`07:44.31`	`ckknight`	`that creates a table, though`
`07:44.36`	`ckknight`	`hence the inefficiency`
`07:44.56`	`Kirov`	`aye`
`07:44.58`	`ckknight`	`also, I don't know why you wrapped this:GetRegions() in a {}`
`07:45.02`	`Kirov`	`which is what I'm trying to avoid`
`07:45.03`	`Kirov`	`woops`
`07:45.08`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i used to use that function for a long time only then self defined`
`07:45.20`	`kergoth`	`... is nice, but i still think they shouldve made it more capable :\`
`07:45.21`	`Kirov`	`that's because I originally wrote it to use a table and then said "fuc tht"`
`07:45.40`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, howso?`
`07:45.45`	`ckknight`	`and are there plans for 5.2 yet?`
`07:45.56`	`kergoth`	`basically want a true tuple type`
`07:46.01`	`kergoth`	`then you could have named ...`
`07:46.30`	`kergoth`	`function foo(...) enclosingargs = ... function bar(...) print(enclosingargs) end end`
`07:46.49`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`07:46.57`	`ckknight`	`that could be neat`
`07:47.04`	`kergoth`	`since that isnt possible currently, theres no way to refer to ... as anything but ...`
`07:47.06`	`ckknight`	`but it just doesn't seem ...right`
`07:47.16`	`ckknight`	`not yet, at least`
`07:47.24`	`kergoth`	`better yet, itd be called 'arg' again, but under the hood it wouldnt be a generated table, but a tuple`
`07:47.53`	`ckknight`	`btw, is there any way to store all the returns of a function in 5.1 without using a table?`
`07:48.01`	`kergoth`	`nope`
`07:48.01`	`ckknight`	`I figure not`
`07:48.10`	`ckknight`	`which makes me a sad panda :-(`
`07:48.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`have any of you guys messed with garry's mod for hl2?`
`07:49.05`	`Kirov`	`A tiny bid`
`07:49.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`whole gametypes are scriptable in lua`
`07:49.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`wow that was like our best bwl ever. Downed chrono w/o a wipe`
`07:49.49`	`Kirov`	`AnduinLothar - what's the fastest you've done all of BWL?`
`07:50.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`man i wish i knew lua`
`07:50.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`we've never downed nef`
`07:50.38`	`Kirov`	`ah`
`07:50.45`	`Kirov`	`What breaths?`
`07:50.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`that was the furthest we've gotten in one run`
`07:50.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`this was the first time we haven't gotten timelapse`
`07:51.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd script it so that when the *ZOMG CHROMAGGUS IS DOING TIME LAPSE* runs in ct boss mods it plays "Time Warp" from Rocky Horror Picture show :x`
`07:51.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`was both fire breaths`
`07:51.27`	`ckknight`	`hey, cool, someone made a browser for Windows that uses KHTML/Webkit`
`07:51.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`also, shapeshifting would play transformer noises :x`
`07:51.35`	`ckknight`	`Swift 0.1: http://www.getswift.org/`
`07:51.44`	`Kirov`	`We were the first on our server to get down Chromaggus... and we got Timelapse every single time..`
`07:52.09`	`Kirov`	`The next closest guild didn't get Timelapse until they nerfed it.`
`07:52.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is it scriptable to play a sound on gaining a buff/debuff?`
`07:52.29`	`Kirov`	`And aparently they gave up trying to get past him when they got it.`
`07:52.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`or losing one?`
`07:52.45`	`Kirov`	`Yeah`
`07:53.08`	`Kirov`	`You could play the whole rocky horror sound track if you had an mp3 of it`
`07:53.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cause i really want it to play the transformer noise when i shapeshift`
`07:53.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`imagine how hardcore that would be`
`07:53.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`go bear form and it's like`
`07:53.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Eenk-onk-onk`
`07:53.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i was also extremely amused by critman for a while`
`07:53.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm far too easily amused :P`
`07:54.45`	`Kirov`	`I wonder if I can find my "Audience Partici ... pation" version of Rocky Horror`
`07:55.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i might steal some code from critman and see if i can get it to work with shapeshifting,`
`07:55.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i don't know how to code but i'm really good at stealing code and making it work kind of`
`07:55.37`	`Kirov`	`Mr_Rabies2 - That's how most programers work`
`07:55.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that's how i started mirc scripting :x`
`07:56.17`	`kergoth`	`my memory for specifics is terrible`
`07:56.26`	`kergoth`	`so i almost always forget syntax, and steal the lines from people`
`07:56.38`	`kergoth`	`but it doesnt mean i dont know how to code, it just speeds up the process`
`07:56.44`	`kergoth`	`no point checking man pages repeatedly`
`07:57.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah i always screw up syntax so i end up modifying copy->paste code from my other stuff and other peoples' stuff`
`07:58.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mirc is probably the easiest language ever though, i wouldnt even consider it real coding`
`07:58.37`	`kergoth`	`mirc is the devil`
`07:58.41`	`kergoth`	`xchat or irssi for the win`
`07:59.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i don't know perl for xchat and i don't know what language irssi uses`
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`08:22.27`	`Kaso`	`wonder if some wiki admin should make a most here : http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20263231&sid=1 about not valdlising the wiki.`
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`08:25.47`	`Cairenn`	`that'll just "validate" the vandal in his/her eyes`
`08:25.58`	`Cairenn`	`the thread itself is bad enough for doing that`
`08:26.10`	`Cairenn`	`(imo)`
`08:35.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`graah`
`08:35.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`must find chat timestamps syntax`
`08:36.09`	`zespri`	`chat timestamps syntax?`
`08:37.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's c`
`08:37.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`standard syntax`
`08:37.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`aha`
`08:37.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`just looked in the lua`
`08:38.43`	`zespri`	`http://wow.pastey.net/674`
`08:39.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`already got it but thanks :P`
`08:39.16`	`zespri`	`=)`
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`08:51.00`	`zespri`	`Does anybody knows offhand how to decrees delay with wich stuff fades in chat window? I want it to fade faster`
`08:51.17`	`Shadowed`	`It's an option in ChatFrame.lua i believe`
`08:52.10`	`wereHamster`	`what's the best channel to ask C questions?`
`08:52.18`	`kergoth`	`#c perhaps?`
`08:52.20`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`08:52.37`	`kergoth`	`there are others too of course, depending on exactly what you're wondering about`
`08:52.47`	`kergoth`	`gcc syntax, or make or autotools, #devtools would be the way to go`
`08:52.58`	`kergoth`	`then theres the gcc channel, but i think they moved that to oftc`
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`08:53.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if only i could use mirc code to write an addon i could do the shapeshift thing in one line :x`
`08:53.57`	`wereHamster`	`well.. I have an app and sometime it's awfully slow, but when I started my computer this morning it was pretty fast, and I'm wondering why`
`08:54.27`	`kergoth`	`heh, thats pretty broad`
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`08:55.12`	`wereHamster`	`maybe something with unaligned variables?`
`08:55.50`	`kergoth`	`alignment fixups arent slow on x86, so unless you're on an arm machine, i doubt it :P`
`08:56.00`	`wereHamster`	`amd64`
`08:56.08`	`kergoth`	`shouldnt be an issue`
`08:56.22`	`kergoth`	`does the app stay slow, or does it speed up again once you've been using it a while?`
`08:57.06`	`wereHamster`	`no, it stays slow`
`09:24.32`	`krka`	`my sandbox environment now supports: memorylimit, number of instructions limit`
`09:24.38`	`krka`	`it rocks`
`09:24.55`	`krka`	`all that's missing is exporting functions across states`
`09:41.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`meh`
`09:42.15`	`Mikk`	`yay!`
`09:42.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`yay?`
`09:42.56`	`Mikk`	`Take any stoopid jpg/gif that doesn't work with any other background color than it was designed for`
`09:43.01`	`Mikk`	`chuck it into inkscape`
`09:43.11`	`Mikk`	`some line tracing later: tadaaa, alpha channeled PNG that works with everything`
`09:43.28`	`Mikk`	`except IE6 of course, which i seriously do not give a flying fuck about`
`09:43.35`	`Mikk`	`_\|_`
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`10:08.39`	`ckknight`	`Mikk, do pngs work in IE7?`
`10:08.58`	`ckknight`	`(with the proper 8-bit alpha channel, I mean)`
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`10:14.05`	`xordoquy`	`kel'thuzad is down`
`10:14.07`	`xordoquy`	`woo`
`10:14.15`	`Mikma`	`yeah Nihilum killed him last night`
`10:14.51`	`xordoquy`	`http://www.nihilum-gaming.co.uk/images/loot.jpg <<< I would really appreciate the one hand sword ^^`
`10:16.02`	`Mikk`	`ckknight: yeah`
`10:16.05`	`Mikk`	`supposedly`
`10:16.25`	`Corrodias`	`really? why?`
`10:16.43`	`Corrodias`	`is that a lot of dps?`
`10:16.59`	`Mikk`	`o m f g @ the rod`
`10:17.49`	`Mikk`	`Corrodias: nah, that 1h sword is a tanking sword`
`10:17.52`	`xordoquy`	`Corrodias: well, atm, I'm level 37 and my weapon dps is around 22 (one handed)`
`10:17.55`	`Mikk`	`the damage range is too low for dps`
`10:18.11`	`Mikk`	`(it's too fast)`
`10:18.11`	`Corrodias`	`Mikk: does it have any serious value?`
`10:18.40`	`xordoquy`	`Mikk: fast weapon with crusader is nice`
`10:18.46`	`Corrodias`	`increased swords +6 is a joke, isn't it? trolls get +5 to bows and you don't see people screaming "nerf"`
`10:19.04`	`ckknight`	`that staff is sextastic`
`10:19.05`	`Mikk`	`increased swords +6 matters quite a bit for a tank`
`10:19.22`	`Mikk`	`Corrodias: the sword is also "one-hand", you can use it in your offhand.`
`10:19.33`	`Mikk`	`i think i know a bunch of tanks that would drool over it with those stats`
`10:19.46`	`Corrodias`	`well, i guess i don't know anything about tanking, really, so i can't say`
`10:19.50`	`Corrodias`	`time for sleep, anyway. 'ni!`
`10:19.51`	`Mikk`	`well.. not that you'd tank dual wielding in a raid`
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`10:32.20`	`GremWarsong`	`Hey guys`
`10:32.30`	`GremWarsong`	`Does anyone know which .BLP format can be used for UI?`
`10:32.50`	`GremWarsong`	`or details on how to structure the BLP`
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`10:56.27`	`Mikk`	`ehm.. okay.. no answer in a couple of minutes and disconnect`
`10:56.30`	`Mikk`	`nice one`
`10:57.24`	`Mikk`	`in other news it gmail seems to have gone tits-up`
`10:58.41`	`krka`	`is there any raid icon addon to let anyone set raid icons?`
`10:58.59`	`ggeorgak`	`creating my first addon, although I get the events and the debuff right the spell casting doesn't work, my code http://wowi.pastey.net/676, i'd appreciate any help`
`11:00.05`	`JoshBorke`	`krka: PaintBall`
`11:01.19`	`s\|loup`	`ggeorgak this will only appear on entering and leaving in combat not wheile combat?`
`11:02.01`	`s\|loup`	`oh and your slashcommand will be bugged ;)`
`11:02.19`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`11:02.21`	`s\|loup`	`both activate none deactivate the functionality`
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`11:02.54`	`s\|loup`	`CastSpellByName("Detect Magic"); <-- this cant be called in an addon`
`11:02.56`	`ggeorgak`	`i've tested the slash command`
`11:03.02`	`ggeorgak`	`it works`
`11:03.13`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`congrats`
`11:03.13`	`ggeorgak`	`hmm`
`11:03.20`	`JoshBorke`	`ggeorgak: he's just saying the slash command won't turn off`
`11:03.23`	`s\|loup`	`it works? where did you deactivate ?`
`11:03.31`	`ggeorgak`	`lol yeah!`
`11:03.34`	`ggeorgak`	`ty`
`11:03.37`	`s\|loup`	`both say DecurseMe_status=true;`
`11:03.48`	`ggeorgak`	`yes just changed the second to false`
`11:03.52`	`s\|loup`	`hihi`
`11:04.12`	`JoshBorke`	`why can't you call CastSpellByName('Detect Magic')?`
`11:04.17`	`ggeorgak`	`so I can't call the CastSpellByName() func?`
`11:04.27`	`JoshBorke`	`perhaps you meant event?`
`11:04.32`	`s\|loup`	`CastSpellByName in an addon will be ignored`
`11:04.43`	`ggeorgak`	`how can I cast a spell then?`
`11:04.51`	`s\|loup`	`you need a hardwareevent for that function`
`11:05.00`	`s\|loup`	`you can't ;)`
`11:05.09`	`JoshBorke`	`create a function that casts the spell`
`11:05.14`	`JoshBorke`	`call the function from a macro or a binding`
`11:05.24`	zinor`	`iirc you cant cast a spell w/o a hardware event`
`11:05.27`	zinor`	`so what hes saying is right`
`11:05.33`	zinor`	`thats to prevent bot-like scripts`
`11:05.43`	`s\|loup`	`yes you can only show something for you to activate the spell`
`11:05.45`	`ggeorgak`	`i've lost you in hardware event guys`
`11:05.50`	zinor`	`like a mouse click`
`11:05.55`	zinor`	`or keypress`
`11:05.56`	`ggeorgak`	`ok!`
`11:06.07`	`ggeorgak`	`how can I call a macro then?`
`11:06.22`	zinor`	`you can do stuff as long as it doesnt cast a spell for example`
`11:06.24`	`JoshBorke`	`ggeorgak: it's why all the decursive-like addons require you to mash a button`
`11:06.52`	`s\|loup`	`maybe you create a button that you show when found a debuff to dispell and click on it to call the dispell function`
`11:07.30`	`s\|loup`	`so just show when needed`
`11:07.50`	`ggeorgak`	`perhaps calling a macro as you said before could be a "workaround", but how can I call a macro inside a .lua script?`
`11:08.01`	`JoshBorke`	`ggeorgak: you can't`
`11:08.08`	zinor`	`theres no workaround, you just gotta have a button or something similar`
`11:08.10`	`krka`	`JoshBorke: i meant having any member whisper to the leader and having him perform the icon setting`
`11:08.13`	`JoshBorke`	`ggeorgak: there is no work-around the hardware event requirement`
`11:08.14`	`s\|loup`	`no the macro calls a function of the lua-script ;)`
`11:08.54`	`krka`	`this has got to be the single most asked question of all wow-time`
`11:08.55`	`ggeorgak`	`oh i c`
`11:09.05`	`JoshBorke`	`krka: i doubt it`
`11:09.18`	`JoshBorke`	`krka: i'd say 'where is my addon button? i don't have any addons! i did everything right!'`
`11:09.54`	`ggeorgak`	`but then how can the decursive addon do dispell automatically?`
`11:10.07`	`JoshBorke`	`ggeorgak: it doesn't. it requires the player to mash a button`
`11:10.36`	`ggeorgak`	`then I got it all wrong thank you guys`
`11:10.46`	`JoshBorke`	`ok np`
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`11:13.20`	`ggeorgak`	`any good resources for addon developping that actually state important stuff as the one you told me?`
`11:14.07`	`s\|loup`	`all you need can be found at wowwiki ;)`
`11:14.11`	`JoshBorke`	`the hardware events thing was in a previous patch note also`
`11:14.34`	`ggeorgak`	`that's what I am using but didn't see anywhere the fact that u need a hard event for spell casting`
`11:14.40`	`s\|loup`	`i think the hardware event notify could also be find in the description of the function at wowwiki`
`11:15.39`	`ggeorgak`	`no it doesn't say anything :(`
`11:15.39`	`s\|loup`	`In patch 1.10, this function operates when called From Button presses, Slash Commands and some Events.`
`11:15.52`	`s\|loup`	`looks like they didnt clearify it`
`11:16.02`	`s\|loup`	`should be more specific`
`11:16.22`	`JoshBorke`	`i think it was before 1.10`
`11:16.43`	`JoshBorke`	`check 1.09`
`11:16.52`	`JoshBorke`	`it was the same patch they got rid of mana conserve`
`11:16.55`	`s\|loup`	`ok i will edit it in the function descriotion`
`11:30.06`	`Mikk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Boilerplate:API_Function <- now includes "triggered events" design`
`11:30.20`	`Mikk`	`(if that's relevant. i'm way too tired to parse what you're actually saying. i just saw "function" "event" and "edit")`
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`11:31.03`	`JoshBorke`	`slept yet Mikk?`
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`11:39.54`	`Mikk`	`noooo`
`11:40.07`	`Mikk`	`damnit i'm having no luck with my responses today`
`11:53.44`	`ggeorgak`	`how can I show a message over player's head like scrolling combat text?`
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`12:08.42`	`Mikk`	`JoshBorke: no :-P`
`12:08.58`	`Mikk`	`ggeorgak: i'd suggest looking at sct`
`12:09.06`	`Mikk`	`or msbt`
`12:15.37`	`ggeorgak`	`mikk: that's what i'm doing now, code is too messed up for me though, plus i'm looking at blizzard combat text ui too`
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`13:00.13`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`does anyone know to wich timbermouw i got to speak to buy stuff whit my reputation :p`
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`13:35.37`	`malreth`	`Industrial?`
`13:35.45`	`Industrial`	`malreth?`
`13:36.01`	`malreth`	`i gotta lotta respect for you, man`
`13:36.10`	`malreth`	`with that said...`
`13:36.29`	`Industrial`	`:O/`
`13:36.30`	`Industrial`	`?`
`13:36.34`	`malreth`	`why does idChat2 Timestamps now have a for-loop in the AddMessage hook?`
`13:36.47`	`malreth`	`it makes me a sad panda to see that`
`13:36.48`	`malreth`	`:(`
`13:36.55`	`Industrial`	`Yeah I know`
`13:37.12`	`Industrial`	`I should put that outside of the hook really`
`13:37.35`	`Industrial`	`it checks if the timestamps are on for that chatframe or not`
`13:37.39`	`malreth`	`better yet, unhook the chat frames that have timestamps toggled off`
`13:37.45`	`Industrial`	`yeah`
`13:37.59`	`malreth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:38.07`	`Industrial`	`sec :>`
`13:38.44`	`malreth`	`I was here, sipping coffee and reading through other people's addon code as I am wont to do...`
`13:39.03`	`malreth`	`I came up on the new release of timestamps and I nearly dropped my chocolate muffin`
`13:39.48`	`malreth`	`that muffin cost me a dollar... i could have DROPPED it!`
`13:40.20`	`wereHamster`	`that's quite cheap..`
`13:40.37`	`wereHamster`	`a muffin constss much more where I live`
`13:40.56`	`malreth`	`chocolate chips pick up dirt and hair pretty easily`
`13:41.03`	`malreth`	`this i've found to be true`
`13:41.29`	`Mikk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Testpatch !`
`13:41.41`	`wereHamster`	`there's nothing wrong with hair.. unless it's colored`
`13:43.31`	`zinor`	`i dont get it Mikk`
`13:43.32`	`zinor`	`:P`
`13:43.42`	`zinor`	`ew gold ads on wowwiki now :s`
`13:44.04`	`malreth`	`there are ads on wowwiki?`
`13:44.22`	`zinor`	`2 sets on the left`
`13:44.53`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wut are the args of OnHyperlinkClick ?`
`13:44.53`	`zenzelezz`	`I see nothing on the left zinor`
`13:44.55`	`zinor`	`i see google ads ;P`
`13:44.55`	`Mikk`	`you've disabled google ads then`
`13:45.09`	`Mikk`	`google ads which like displaying "wow gold! power levelling service!"`
`13:45.10`	`malreth`	`ah... i see the section where google ads go`
`13:45.14`	`zenzelezz`	`nope, haven't trouched Google ads`
`13:45.19`	`zinor`	`strange`
`13:46.15`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com)`
`13:46.16`	`malreth`	`there... added wowwiki to my adblock whitelist`
`13:46.39`	`malreth`	`you guys deserve the revenue`
`13:46.47`	`zenzelezz`	`why bother, if it's Google ads? Don't those only pay on click?`
`13:46.48`	`Industrial`	`malreth, yeah sorry it was a quick fix for a request :>`
`13:47.18`	`malreth`	`Industrial: you're a credit to your race`
`13:47.32`	`malreth`	`what is it you humans believe you evolved from now? monkeys?`
`13:47.37`	`Industrial`	`no wai its not all that, I just do small stuff`
`13:48.01`	`zinor`	`gold ads a pay a lot`
`13:48.06`	`zinor`	`but the revenue malreth`
`13:48.07`	`zinor`	`goes to one person`
`13:48.14`	`zinor`	`ads on wikis always bother me :P`
`13:48.18`	`zinor`	`cuz wikis are a community resource`
`13:48.24`	`malreth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:48.41`	`zinor`	`malreth, googles very good at catching false clicks, so thats probably not doing anything`
`13:48.51`	`zinor`	`and if it did itd only give 1 click`
`13:49.13`	`malreth`	`hush you. I've got 26 tabs open and growing`
`13:51.16`	`Beladona`	`google ads = they see wow, so they advertise wow related advertisements. I doubt someone at wowwiki said "lets advertise gold sites!"`
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`13:52.03`	`Beladona`	`?`
`13:52.15`	`malreth`	`rise to the top!`
`13:52.19`	`Beladona`	`lol\`
`13:53.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`:) bofa is hax. i can pay my credit bill by transfering $ from my checking account to my visa, same way i can transfer between savings and checking`
`13:53.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`genious!`
`13:54.01`	`Beladona`	`ok that suxxors`
`13:54.11`	`Beladona`	`someone getting an error in my addon, but I can't reproduce it`
`13:54.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`typical`
`13:59.03`	`Wobin`	`hm`
`13:59.09`	`Wobin`	`oops`
`13:59.10`	`Wobin`	`mishm`
`13:59.15`	`Beladona`	`this fix is gonna be one of those "I think I fixed it, but don't know till the guy tries it" kinda things`
`14:00.33`	`Beladona`	`so... does anyone know if the client will be branched after the expansion? i.e. People with expansion installed will be running a different interface and version than those without it?`
`14:01.01`	`malreth`	`gods i hope not`
`14:01.07`	`Beladona`	`yeah me neither`
`14:01.28`	`Beladona`	`I am hoping it will all be 2.0+ and the expansion feautures are just not there for non-expansion owners`
`14:01.46`	`malreth`	`i tend to think blizzard will do whatever requires less work on their part to support`
`14:02.00`	`malreth`	`then again...`
`14:02.08`	`Beladona`	`one can hope`
`14:02.11`	`malreth`	`all they technically have to support is their default ui`
`14:02.30`	`Beladona`	`they HAVE done stuff in the past that makes one scratch their head`
`14:02.30`	`malreth`	`and since their default ui currently works with 1.x`
`14:04.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`still have to me able to vie socketed items..`
`14:04.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`view`
`14:04.55`	`AnduinLothar`	`and new spells`
`14:05.29`	`malreth`	`true... they might as well update all users to 2.0`
`14:06.05`	`malreth`	`since they're having to write new interface code to support new features anyways`
`14:07.58`	`Beladona`	`yup`
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`14:09.07`	`yeah`	`Heya, (again) more questions from me today ^^`
`14:09.33`	`yeah`	`I was here yesterday asking about getting the text on something you print with AddMessage() be in the same color as whispers, and also follow if you change the color of the whispers.`
`14:09.50`	`malreth`	`yeah`
`14:09.55`	`yeah`	`local info = ChatTypeInfo["WHISPER"]; DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("sometext", info.r, info.g, info.b);`
`14:10.05`	`malreth`	`almost`
`14:10.15`	`malreth`	`DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("sometext", info.r, info.g, info.b, info.id);`
`14:10.18`	`yeah`	`ah`
`14:10.29`	`yeah`	`<3 thank you, i knew i missed something ;P`
`14:10.33`	`malreth`	`i had to revise my code after i heard more about what you needed`
`14:12.32`	`malreth`	`man... RL plans keep changing... i can never reliably sign up for any raids at this rate`
`14:12.52`	`malreth`	`i've missed nearly a month's worth of weekend raids because of some last-minute thing`
`14:13.59`	`malreth`	`oh... in case anyone hasn't heard yet:`
`14:13.59`	`malreth`	`http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/4095699.html?#cutid1`
`14:16.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`pally weapon`
`14:17.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`jk`
`14:17.07`	`malreth`	`hunter loot!`
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`14:49.30`	`TS\|Skrom`	`what a day...`
`14:50.02`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I live in St. Louis and drove to Kansas City and back yesterday for work. 550 miles roundtrip, just to install a printer...`
`14:55.08`	`zenzelezz`	`tomorrow they'll call you back for a cartridge refill`
`14:55.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`lol`
`14:55.55`	`JoshBorke`	`no no, it'll be a paper-jam`
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`14:59.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`payed per mile i hope`
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`15:11.36`	`JoshBorke`	`purl keep its configurations per channel or per bot?`
`15:12.58`	`cogwheel`	`I'm pretty sure it's per bot... if you do ~seen on someone who was in another channel, it knows`
`15:13.07`	`cogwheel`	`~seen kaelten`
`15:13.35`	`purl`	`kaelten <n=Kaelten@68.63.37.188> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9h 47m 42s ago, saying: 'to give the site a unified login'.`
`15:13.35`	`cogwheel`	`~botsmack`
`15:13.37`	`purl`	`OWW!`
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`15:19.58`	`[RTE]`	`hey folks`
`15:20.05`	`cogwheel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:22.05`	`[RTE]`	`anyone wants to vaulanteer to help me with localizations for my mod? I need french, german, and chinese`
`15:22.23`	`Amro`	`how much text is there?`
`15:22.32`	`[RTE]`	`about 3 pages worth in total`
`15:22.46`	`Amro`	`i could help you with french`
`15:22.54`	`[RTE]`	`sweet`
`15:23.24`	`[RTE]`	`wona grab my mod off c-g, or should I just place localization files somewhere?`
`15:23.39`	`Amro`	`ill dl from cg`
`15:23.41`	`Amro`	`link`
`15:23.42`	`[RTE]`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1899-1-guildtools.html`
`15:24.00`	`[RTE]`	`there are 5 mods in archive, every one has localization.lua in it`
`15:24.09`	`[RTE]`	`if you see repeate you can leave it as is`
`15:24.38`	`cogwheel`	`lol... "Serving the PC enthusiast for over 6x10^-2 centuries"`
`15:24.50`	`[RTE]`	`lol`
`15:24.55`	`Amro`	`i dont have the french version of wow so i might use terms that differ`
`15:24.59`	`Amro`	`shouldnt be a problem`
`15:25.13`	`[RTE]`	`sounds good`
`15:25.14`	`cogwheel`	`Globalstrings.lua will help there`
`15:25.42`	`cogwheel`	`you can pick up the gist of many particular terms by comparing it with the english version`
`15:25.46`	`[RTE]`	`I can just replace the text forcebly and see how it looks, no problem there`
`15:27.32`	`Amro`	`my net is terribly slow, its still loading`
`15:28.08`	`[RTE]`	`hmmm, do you work same place I am? :)`
`15:28.44`	`Amro`	`lol this is my home net`
`15:28.51`	`[RTE]`	`or is it just internet's main hamster died today?`
`15:28.53`	`[RTE]`	`hehe :)`
`15:29.00`	`Amro`	`its only fast late a night`
`15:29.36`	`[RTE]`	`I see`
`15:29.36`	`[RTE]`	`dsl, huh?`
`15:29.36`	`Amro`	`yeah`
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`15:29.37`	`cogwheel`	`6mbps cable 4tw!`
`15:29.37`	`[RTE]`	`indeed`
`15:29.40`	`cogwheel`	`though it makes the t1 at work feel like dialup`
`15:29.43`	`[RTE]`	`rogers?`
`15:29.49`	`cogwheel`	`comcast actually`
`15:29.56`	`[RTE]`	`same difference :)`
`15:30.54`	`Amro`	`why do i need all 5 rte?`
`15:32.15`	`[RTE]`	`they all part of the same addon`
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`15:32.38`	`[RTE]`	`I just broke em down so people can use them separatelly and don't eat up memory`
`15:32.43`	`Amro`	`2.3, 2.4, 3.0 beta 3.0 and 3.1?`
`15:33.00`	`Amro`	`or 5 within the latest dl?`
`15:33.51`	`[RTE]`	`no, just 3.1`
`15:34.01`	`[RTE]`	`I ment there are 5 addons in 3.1 archive`
`15:34.57`	`Amro`	`thats what i thought initially`
`15:36.56`	`[RTE]`	`3.0 and lower don't even have localiation :)`
`15:38.17`	`[RTE]`	`morning`
`15:38.36`	`[RTE]`	`or not?`
`15:38.51`	`JoshBorke`	`morning`
`15:40.37`	`Cairenn`	`hi guys`
`15:41.08`	`zenzelezz`	`heya`
`15:41.30`	`Amro`	`yo`
`15:42.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`it's always morning rte`
`15:43.01`	`[RTE]`	`that is true`
`15:46.01`	`[RTE]`	`alrighty, lunch is coming up`
`15:47.33`	`RTE\|lunch`	`Amro, please put your name you want to be displayed in comment in at least one of localization files`
`15:50.45`	`Amro`	`ok`
`15:52.00`	`Amro`	`so i just make a localization_fr.lua for each?`
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`15:55.32`	`Legorol`	`Question about loot methods:`
`15:55.42`	`Legorol`	`the Master Loot method has a threshold as well, right?`
`15:55.54`	`zenzelezz`	`believe it does, but not 100% sure`
`15:55.58`	`Legorol`	`what happens to items that are below the threshold? do they become ffa, or do they go via round-robin`
`15:56.33`	`zenzelezz`	`I think they're not FFA`
`15:56.34`	`Amro`	`i guess rr`
`15:56.34`	`Amro`	`makes more sense`
`15:56.39`	`Legorol`	`i wasn't wondering what makes sense, i'm afraid :(`
`15:56.42`	`Legorol`	`i guess i will have to test`
`15:56.50`	`Legorol`	`anyone in EU willing to help me test it?`
`15:57.04`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm on your server IIRC`
`15:57.09`	`Legorol`	`cool`
`15:57.16`	`Legorol`	`Silvermoon, Legorol, logging on now`
`15:57.30`	`zenzelezz`	`<-- zenzio`
`15:59.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`yes rr`
`15:59.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`same with group loot`
`16:00.52`	`Legorol`	`ah ok`
`16:00.54`	`Legorol`	`thanks`
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`16:01.42`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, it's RR. and if the loot-master is out of range anything that is above the threshold gets rolled on`
`16:01.49`	`Thumann`	`:) hi guys`
`16:02.03`	`Amro`	`hi`
`16:02.06`	`JoshBorke`	`hi`
`16:02.14`	`Gryphen`	`heya`
`16:04.30`	`Thumann`	`so.. i've made this function in my lua.. i start it from a frame.. but it halts when i do a HideUIPanel(myframe)`
`16:04.33`	`Thumann`	`any ideas why? :)`
`16:04.59`	`Amro`	`the frame no longer gets events?`
`16:05.03`	`JoshBorke`	`the function terminates? or stops running?`
`16:05.57`	`Thumann`	`terminates/stops running.. well.. stops running i guess..`
`16:06.15`	`Amro`	`oh`
`16:06.24`	`Amro`	`misunderstood your question`
`16:06.29`	`JoshBorke`	`terminates as in it stops mid process, or stops running as in it doesn't start again`
`16:06.30`	`Mery`	`on update is not called if the frame is not visible?`
`16:06.45`	`Thumann`	`Mery: ahh! that's why`
`16:06.49`	`Thumann`	`hmm..`
`16:07.01`	`JoshBorke`	`:-)`
`16:07.04`	`Thumann`	`it's a timed function that just announces some text`
`16:07.10`	`Mery`	`(and :IsVisible() does not equal :IsShown() )`
`16:07.11`	`Thumann`	`every 45 seconds`
`16:07.28`	`Amro`	`oh then i did understand your question`
`16:07.31`	`JoshBorke`	`OnUpdate isn't called for anything not visible`
`16:07.51`	`Thumann`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/683`
`16:07.54`	`Thumann`	`it's quite simple`
`16:08.10`	`Thumann`	`hmm.. how do i go about that then..`
`16:08.20`	`JoshBorke`	`what frame is that function attached to?`
`16:08.37`	`Thumann`	`FaraFrames15`
`16:08.53`	`Thumann`	`i''ve made a clickable button that starts the function`
`16:09.26`	`Thumann`	`and yeah.. if i 'unhide' the frame the function then continues (if i have started it before i hiddened it)`
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`16:09.38`	`Mery`	`yes`
`16:09.51`	`JoshBorke`	`ok, bye all`
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`16:09.55`	`Mery`	`make an empty frame thats always visible for your onupdate`
`16:10.17`	`Thumann`	`ahh.. so onclick would show this frame..`
`16:10.28`	`Mery`	`:)`
`16:10.31`	`Thumann`	`and if i click it again.. it would hide it, thus.. stop the function again`
`16:10.40`	`Mery`	`yep`
`16:10.40`	`Thumann`	`:D that's what i need`
`16:11.09`	`Thumann`	`my 'play-with-it-till-it-works' coding has its limitations at times.. hehe`
`16:11.23`	`Mery`	`you could also use a library`
`16:11.32`	`Thumann`	`let's not get complicated now :p`
`16:12.50`	`Mery`	`like chronos (you need to place the files in your addon folder and put the chronos.xml in your .toc i think)`
`16:12.53`	`Thumann`	`what's a library in lua then? a.. collection of functions?`
`16:12.58`	`Mery`	`then you could do: Chronos.scheduleRepeating(name, delay, function);`
`16:13.28`	`Mery`	`and Chronos.unscheduleByName(name);`
`16:13.33`	`Mery`	`when finished`
`16:14.12`	`Thumann`	`i see`
`16:14.29`	`Thumann`	`well.. i'd prefer to keep my addon free of any prerequisites`
`16:14.52`	`Gryphen`	`most are embeddable now, so you include them within you addon folder`
`16:15.46`	`Gryphen`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Function_Libraries`
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`16:19.47`	`Amro`	`is theer a list of all events on wowwiki?`
`16:19.54`	`Gryphen`	`yes`
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`16:20.43`	`Qzot`	`Heyo.`
`16:20.48`	`TS\|Skrom`	`man I need to find my mouth filter today...`
`16:21.09`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I was standing near the reception area and one of our secretaries walked by looking upset or something so I said "what's wrong?"`
`16:21.11`	`Qzot`	`All those curse words building up, eh?`
`16:21.40`	`TS\|Skrom`	`she said "her mother was driving her crazy", to which the receptionist replied "Oh she's missing your dad? (because he just died"`
`16:22.17`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and the other person said "No, she's just having a hard time with things and her phone isn't working and since she can't hear (she meant hear "well") she can't get it fixed"`
`16:22.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and without thinking I just kinda blurted out "if she can't hear, why does she need a phone"`
`16:22.42`	`TS\|Skrom`	`for which I got punched by them both`
`16:23.00`	`Amro`	`ouch`
`16:24.13`	`Qzot`	`Punched by a secretary and a receptionist, eh? Do they work out? Are they cute?`
`16:24.25`	`TS\|Skrom`	`prolly not, and no`
`16:24.34`	`TS\|Skrom`	`the secretaries daughter is "rawr" though`
`16:24.48`	`Qzot`	`So it couldn't have hurt much, then.`
`16:24.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`whistle`
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`16:27.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and she has these pictures sitting around of her kids... and the daughter in the picture I'd say was like a 5 or 6`
`16:27.39`	`TS\|Skrom`	`but in person she's like a 9, zomg!`
`16:31.24`	`Qzot`	`You're whistling at a 9 year old? o.O`
`16:31.47`	`TS\|Skrom`	`no... she's LIKE a 9... out of 10... not she IS 9`
`16:31.59`	`TS\|Skrom`	`she is a little young for me though, like 19 or something`
`16:32.01`	`cogwheel`	`a 9... not 9`
`16:32.09`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`16:32.24`	`Qzot`	`So ... she's older than 9, but she's LIKE a 9. Uh huh. That's much better...`
`16:32.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Totally not disturbing`
`16:32.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Qzot if you are a guy you need to take your penis back in for a refund`
`16:33.05`	`TS\|Skrom`	`You don't get to claim it anymore :P`
`16:33.16`	`zenzelezz`	`Qzot loses at teh intarweb`
`16:34.15`	`Qzot`	`Lol. I know there's an insult there, but I don't even begin to understand it. :D`
`16:34.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that's okay I'm really tired today`
`16:34.37`	`TS\|Skrom`	`not sure if it makes sense to ME`
`16:34.46`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. blue.cardplace.com down?`
`16:35.38`	`Qzot`	`Rats. I had to run chkdsk at login, and apparently I've lost most of my cookies. Having to re-login to everything. :(`
`16:36.25`	`Amro`	`windows sucks.`
`16:36.40`	`Qzot`	`True enough.`
`16:36.54`	`Qzot`	`But as an end user, it sucks somewhat less than any of the alternatives.`
`16:37.15`	`Qzot`	`I lived on Linux for a couple years, but I don't want that much control of my environment.`
`16:37.34`	`Amro`	`you should try out more recent distros`
`16:37.43`	`Amro`	`ubuntu 6.06 for instance`
`16:38.00`	`Qzot`	`Not until my son is willing to support it. :P`
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`16:38.30`	`Amro`	`gah, you can just hide it... i share the comp with a few people and they cant get into it if they wanted`
`16:38.30`	`malreth`	`i love lua iterators`
`16:40.30`	`Qzot`	`They are beautiful.`
`16:40.31`	`malreth`	`local function UnitDebuffIterator(a, i)`
`16:40.32`	`malreth`	`i = i + 1`
`16:40.32`	`malreth`	`local v1, v2, v3 = UnitDebuff(a, i)`
`16:40.32`	`malreth`	`if v1 then`
`16:40.32`	`malreth`	`return i, v1, v2, v3`
`16:40.34`	`malreth`	`end`
`16:40.38`	`malreth`	`end`
`16:40.43`	`malreth`	`loss of formatting FTW`
`16:41.26`	`Gryphen`	`pastebin = formatting`
`16:41.28`	`Gryphen`	`:)`
`16:41.37`	`malreth`	`yeah...`
`16:41.38`	`Qzot`	`The one thing that would improve them is if lua support python-style "coroutines" to create iterators.`
`16:41.51`	`Qzot`	`s/support/supported/`
`16:42.03`	`malreth`	`are python-style coroutines like lua-style coroutines?`
`16:42.18`	`cogwheel`	`it would be nice if WoW supported Lua-style corutines ;)`
`16:42.43`	`Qzot`	`Let em check. Python coroutines aren't the standard CS definition of coroutines. Tehy're actually useful. :P`
`16:42.46`	`malreth`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/9.3.html`
`16:43.07`	`Qzot`	`Python coroutines don't create multiple threads.`
`16:43.42`	`cogwheel`	`neither do lua ones, really... it's all simulated in the lua VM`
`16:43.56`	`Qzot`	`Understood.`
`16:44.14`	`malreth`	`yeah, check out that link i posted then`
`16:44.16`	`Qzot`	`No, Python coroutines (I know almost nothing about Python, btw) are much more limited.`
`16:44.50`	`cogwheel`	`actually, there was a pretty good example of lua coroutines on the 5.1 announcement thread... let me see if i can find it...`
`16:45.52`	`Qzot`	`malreth: Yes, that like what I've seen of Python coroutines.`
`16:46.14`	`Qzot`	`malreth: But that's about the only way you can use Py coroutines, and the syntax is simpler.`
`16:46.59`	`cogwheel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14682657&postId=152815264&sid=1#76`
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`16:47.30`	`Qzot`	`The more classical definition of coroutines, is two threads/procedures which each think they're calling the other.`
`16:48.17`	`Kirkburn`	`"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilisation."`
`16:48.53`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: Why the URL?`
`16:49.15`	`cogwheel`	`cogwheel>actually, there was a pretty good example of lua coroutines on the 5.1 announcement thread... let me see if i can find it...`
`16:49.45`	`cogwheel`	`I found it ;)`
`16:50.42`	`Qzot`	`Ah. My irc client butchered the link you gave.`
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`16:57.55`	`jaxdahl`	`who broke the alliance/horde icon template?`
`16:58.05`	`jaxdahl`	`and icons in general..`
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`16:58.58`	`Gryphen`	`wiki upgrade`
`16:59.15`	`jaxdahl`	`is there something i have to fix?`
`17:00.26`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#No_images.21`
`17:01.18`	`Gryphen`	`what page are they broke for you?`
`17:01.25`	`jaxdahl`	`http://wowwiki.com/Server:Kel%27Thuzad`
`17:04.07`	`malreth`	`hmm... wow.pastebin.com no workie`
`17:04.18`	`Gryphen`	`wow.paste-bin.com`
`17:04.26`	`Gryphen`	`heh`
`17:04.40`	`zinor`	`whoever updated the server broke permissions`
`17:04.41`	`Gryphen`	`pastebin.com has been slow for a while, try the one in the topic`
`17:04.48`	`zinor`	`pastebin.ca works good too`
`17:04.50`	`zinor`	`thats usually what i use`
`17:05.21`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate me`
`17:05.22`	`purl`	`Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much!`
`17:05.26`	`cogwheel`	`:(`
`17:05.31`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`17:05.32`	`purl`	`ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:(`
`17:06.27`	`zinor`	`http://wowwiki.com/User:SilverSide`
`17:06.27`	`zinor`	`wtf`
`17:07.09`	`zinor`	`~emulate zinor`
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`17:07.15`	`zinor`	`:s`
`17:07.39`	`malreth`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/686 iterators are fun`
`17:07.56`	`malreth`	`completely untested code`
`17:08.12`	`malreth`	`won't know what breaks until i can get home`
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`17:08.51`	`malreth`	`people in my raid org are starting to use MCPoly and are recommending its use for mages`
`17:09.05`	`malreth`	`to help with AQ40, ZG, etc`
`17:09.08`	`Spitfireleet`	`what is the name for the event where it fires when a specific raid member is offline or dead?`
`17:09.22`	`Gryphen`	`yeah something is messed up with wiki images and not using www.`
`17:09.44`	`zinor`	`they work on www. but not . ?`
`17:09.57`	`Gryphen`	`looks like it to be that way for me`
`17:10.17`	`zinor`	`must be apache config issue`
`17:10.30`	`zinor`	`does "rustik" come in here`
`17:11.00`	`zinor`	`i cant be asked to email someone :)`
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`17:11.21`	`jaxdahl`	`i emailed rustak`
`17:11.30`	`cogwheel`	`Spitfireleet: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Party`
`17:11.35`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#No_images.21`
`17:11.55`	`Abenadi`	`does table.remove work on string-key tables? (table.remove(mytable,"myindex"))?`
`17:12.05`	`zinor`	`http://www.davidcramer.net/code/22/redirect-non-www-requests-to-www.html he should do this`
`17:12.15`	`zinor`	`hes redirecting http://wowwiki.com/ but no other urls`
`17:12.21`	`Shadowed`	`Abenadi doesn't work last i checked`
`17:12.31`	`Shadowed`	`Doing mttable[myindex] = nil; is the same thing`
`17:12.37`	`Abenadi`	`ok`
`17:12.43`	`Qzot`	`malreth: Cute.`
`17:13.02`	`malreth`	`Qzot: I am!`
`17:13.22`	`tyroney`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`17:13.24`	`purl`	`ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:(`
`17:13.33`	`malreth`	`~emulate malreth`
`17:13.34`	`Qzot`	`malreth: For consistency, the party iterator should probably return 'player' at some point.`
`17:13.39`	`jaxdahl`	`if something starts to blow up (severe page load delays), or images are broken, etc., please drop me an email from my user page. Thanks! -- Rustak 16:09, 4 September 2006 (EDT)`
`17:13.51`	`malreth`	`i don't talk like that`
`17:13.55`	`Amro`	`spitfire look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_%28Full_List%29`
`17:14.26`	`malreth`	`wait... nm`
`17:14.51`	`malreth`	`Qzot: no need to return 'player' since if the player is charmed, you can't polymorph yourself`
`17:15.36`	`Qzot`	`malreth: Ah. But then don't you have that same issues with the raid iterator?`
`17:15.48`	`malreth`	`hmm...`
`17:16.17`	`Qzot`	`malreth: And anyway, I wasn't really thinking of the end application, as much as having a re-usable iterator for grousp.`
`17:16.46`	`Qzot`	`malreth: And was going to suggest adding a 3rd iterator if you're solo, which just returns 'player'.`
`17:17.32`	`malreth`	`yeah, Roster() isn't intended to be reusable. and I rely on it returning nil in solo situations.`
`17:17.42`	`malreth`	`but yeah, a reusable iterator should do that`
`17:18.46`	`malreth`	`good point about the raid iterator... it should skip over the player`
`17:18.49`	`zinor`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WOW_MMOsite`
`17:18.51`	`malreth`	`or not`
`17:18.54`	`zinor`	`should edit that to say they're a bunch of spammers`
`17:18.55`	`zinor`	`:s`
`17:18.56`	`cogwheel`	`you could also write a wrapper for UnitDebuffIterator so your for loops look more like for i, texture in UnitDebuffs(unit) do ... end`
`17:19.03`	`malreth`	`that change should be made in FindIdealCharmedUnit`
`17:19.27`	`Corrodias`	`zinor: the page should be deleted, if it can't be expanded`
`17:19.37`	`malreth`	`cogwheel: true. a factory function would be more friendly`
`17:23.31`	`cogwheel`	`You might also be able to make the iterators themselves more generic since the only difference between them is "raid" and "party"...`
`17:23.32`	`malreth`	`nod that makes it more readable.`
`17:23.59`	`malreth`	`cogwheel: i pondered that but that would require an additional state variable for the iterators`
`17:24.20`	`malreth`	`i know how i would do it, though`
`17:25.26`	`malreth`	`but i didn't want to bother with it.`
`17:25.39`	`cogwheel`	`Nah... local function GroupIterator(which) return function(a, i) i = i + 1; if i <= a then return i, which..i end end end`
`17:25.57`	`Corrodias`	`you only need to get 40,000 rep points from the border of friendly to hit exalted? mang, as fast as rep in AV goes, no wonder it's expected to only take a couple of weeks`
`17:26.06`	`cogwheel`	`then in Roster: if members > 0 then return GroupIterator("raid"), members, 0`
`17:26.22`	`Shadowed`	`Corrodias: not even, if you're playing daily you can get that pretty quickly`
`17:26.36`	`Corrodias`	`Shadowed: well, that's probably assuming your team can win`
`17:26.48`	`Shadowed`	`Horde or alliance?`
`17:26.52`	`Corrodias`	`so far, we're 1-5 in the games that i've played (horde)`
`17:27.05`	`Shadowed`	`oh`
`17:27.14`	`Shadowed`	`well yeah, if you're horde you'll lose 99% of the time`
`17:27.20`	`malreth`	`cogwheel: I wanted to avoid creating any extra closures`
`17:27.20`	`Abenadi`	`can you do AV premades now?`
`17:27.29`	`cogwheel`	`malreth: understood`
`17:27.30`	`Corrodias`	`as far as i'm aware, no`
`17:27.40`	`Abenadi`	`you ought to be able to now that there's a dozen queues`
`17:27.51`	`Shadowed`	`yes you can`
`17:27.58`	`Shadowed`	`queue up quickly together`
`17:28.45`	*** join/#wowi-lounge ag` (n=Andreas@0x535bbf4c.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)
`17:28.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`you can't group queue?`
`17:28.48`	`Corrodias`	`and the games don't last all day any more!`
`17:30.16`	`cogwheel`	`malreth: performance concers are very disappointing in such an elegant language.`
`17:31.17`	`cogwheel`	`s/rs/rns/`
`17:31.53`	`Corrodias`	`i ought to go, now. see ya!`
`17:32.38`	`Kirkburn1`	`zinor, I saw that WoWWiki page`
`17:32.52`	`zinor`	`Kirkburn1, they've been spamming curse's forums like mad`
`17:33.04`	`zinor`	`and unless it was someone in the community who added that (doubtful) thats probably the same idea :)`
`17:33.11`	`Kirkburn1`	`Only reason I'd left it as it was was because I was seeing if more stuff got added :/`
`17:33.24`	`Qzot`	`Inspired by malreth: http://wowi.pastey.net/687`
`17:33.28`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=quoin@219-90-186-18.ip.adam.com.au)`
`17:33.39`	`malreth`	`http://wow.paste-bin.com/353 is how i would write that to be more generic`
`17:35.43`	`Kirkburn1`	`hrm, what to do`
`17:37.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`That didn't seem like THAT hard of a decision`
`17:38.48`	`Qzot`	`Btw, have you guys seen the slick new site, wow.mmosite.com?`
`17:38.52`	`Kirkburn`	`zinor, please don't ask about http://wowwiki.com/User:SilverSide, he makes me sad`
`17:39.03`	`zinor`	`lol`
`17:39.09`	`zinor`	`well just the second line there makes me wonder`
`17:39.31`	`Corrodias`	`isn't that another page that should be deleted?`
`17:39.31`	`Kirkburn`	`It came from some vandalism where his page got redirected to 'cocksucker' :O`
`17:39.50`	`Corrodias`	`a blurb about some person nobody knows isn't wiki material, is it?`
`17:39.57`	`Kirkburn`	`SIlverSide did lots of stuff for the wiki, but he went too far and became stupidly protective of 'his work'`
`17:40.11`	`zinor`	`lol`
`17:40.22`	`Gryphen`	`he thinks he is wiki guru`
`17:40.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Corrodias, User pages are not part of the main namespace and can have whatever they want (within reason, natch)`
`17:40.29`	`zinor`	`i see`
`17:40.39`	`Kirkburn`	`He really really does`
`17:40.39`	`Corrodias`	`hm.`
`17:40.44`	`Kirkburn`	`He's also 17 or 18`
`17:41.04`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge tyroney (n=tyroney@66.239.241.162.ptr.us.xo.net)`
`17:41.11`	`Corrodias`	`BRD is my next instance on my druid, who is approx level 59.80 now`
`17:41.16`	`Corrodias`	`er, 59.08`
`17:41.27`	`Kirkburn`	`He tried to remove 'his content' from the wiki, the idiot`
`17:41.36`	`Gryphen`	`he's 'left' wowwiki for each birthday hes had`
`17:41.40`	`Kirkburn`	`He even tried to take credit for the new front page :/`
`17:41.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Gryphen, so true`
`17:42.02`	`Kirkburn`	`I was soo close to banning him last time`
`17:42.07`	`Shadowed`	`ounds fun`
`17:42.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Read this :P http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn#Discussion_.27archived.27_.28i.e._deleted.29_from_User_talk:SilverSide`
`17:42.33`	`Kirkburn`	`He 'archived' it from his talk page`
`17:42.49`	`Gryphen`	`hehe`
`17:43.02`	`Gryphen`	`i archive my recycle bin all the time`
`17:43.10`	`Kirkburn`	`The first comment from me came when we were trying to fight a vandlism outbreak and he decided to start making a mess of things by removing stuff`
`17:44.04`	`Kirkburn`	`He really thinks that deleting stuff from a wiki page is archiving it`
`17:44.16`	`Kirkburn`	`I just do not understand him`
`17:44.24`	`[RTE]`	`back`
`17:44.29`	`Shadowed`	`I've given up trying to understand people`
`17:44.38`	`Shadowed`	`I just assume they're idiots until proven otherwise, it's faster`
`17:44.43`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
`17:44.51`	`[RTE]`	`actually, it is a good idea`
`17:45.00`	`[RTE]`	`works most of the time`
`17:45.16`	`Kirov`	`I like liver flavored cheese balls and chocolate fudge!`
`17:45.16`	`Qzot`	`RTE: That's an idiotic thing to say.`
`17:45.18`	`Kirkburn`	`(if the comments in that link seem odd, you'd have to know the situation on that day. It wasn't good.)`
`17:45.26`	`Qzot`	`RTE: Or at least, I'll assume as much.`
`17:45.33`	`Kirkburn`	`(it's why me and Mikk became admins)`
`17:45.38`	`Shadowed`	`Was that the day you were asking people to help revert vandilism?`
`17:45.43`	`Kirkburn`	`ya`
`17:45.44`	`Shadowed`	`oh, when did you guys become admin?`
`17:45.49`	`[RTE]`	`don't try reverce psychology on me, I work in tech support :)`
`17:45.57`	`Shadowed`	`MY MOUSE WONT WORK`
`17:45.58`	`Shadowed`	`HELPZ`
`17:45.59`	`Kirkburn`	`About a day ro two later`
`17:46.04`	`Kirkburn`	`*or`
`17:46.23`	`Shadowed`	`ahh`
`17:46.27`	`Corrodias`	`i must buy a new monitor and mouse when i get home...`
`17:46.35`	`Kirov`	`[RTE] - what about reverse psychology?`
`17:46.50`	`zinor`	`Kirkburn`
`17:46.50`	`zinor`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Citadel`
`17:46.50`	`[RTE]`	`thats good I guess :)`
`17:46.53`	`zinor`	`i believe that image violates DMCA`
`17:47.04`	`Corrodias`	`everything violates DMCA`
`17:47.14`	`zinor`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Coilfang_Reservoir`
`17:47.16`	`zinor`	`those too?`
`17:47.24`	`Kirkburn`	`WHat image? :P`
`17:47.27`	`zinor`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Hellfire_Citadel`
`17:47.29`	`zinor`	`and a bunch there`
`17:47.31`	`Shadowed`	`The TBC ones`
`17:47.31`	`zinor`	`all those noggaholic ones`
`17:47.32`	`Shadowed`	`from noggen`
`17:47.33`	`zinor`	`are alpha screenshots`
`17:47.33`	`Shadowed`	`nogga*`
`17:47.38`	`zinor`	`and violate NDA`
`17:48.09`	`Kirov`	`Blizzard sent me an DMCA the other day for posting pictures of my butt. They said it looked too much like a character from the alpha, thusly I've removed all images of my butt from the wiki.`
`17:48.30`	`Corrodias`	`it's fine for -you- to post the images, zinor, unless the noggaholics guys say you can't`
`17:48.34`	`Corrodias`	`you didn't sign any NDA`
`17:48.41`	`zinor`	`Corrodias`
`17:48.42`	`zinor`	`thats not how it works`
`17:48.47`	`zinor`	`it has nothing to do w/ noggaholics`
`17:48.57`	`Shadowed`	`we're not suppose to know about them yet, anyone whos posting them is violating the NDA`
`17:48.59`	`zinor`	`the screenshots are taken under an NDA`
`17:49.11`	`Shadowed`	`just because you didn't get them while agreeing to the NDA doesn't make it invalid`
`17:49.14`	`TS\|Skrom`	`aren't those on the wow website?`
`17:49.26`	`Mikma`	`http://slate.kaasu.org/creature1.jpg http://slate.kaasu.org/creature2.jpg http://slate.kaasu.org/creature3.jpg`
`17:49.28`	`Kirov`	`TS\|Skrom - scroll down`
`17:49.29`	`Corrodias`	`there's no way for you to know the circumstances under which the images were taken, unless you are told`
`17:49.29`	`zinor`	`if they are, why are they using noggaholic images then :)`
`17:49.40`	`zinor`	`Corrodias, i can tell you, those violate nda unless they're on wow.com`
`17:49.46`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kirov - oh`
`17:49.47`	`zinor`	`and blizzard can dmca the site again and tell you the same`
`17:49.49`	`Mikma`	`oh btw those pictures are live-wow`
`17:49.54`	`Corrodias`	`thanks for telling me, but that doesn't mean some other guy is going to know that`
`17:49.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kirov - below the fold > me`
`17:49.56`	`zinor`	`whats that Mikma?`
`17:50.00`	`Gryphen`	`<zinor> and blizzard can dmca the site again`
`17:50.05`	`zinor`	`Corrodias, they dont have to`
`17:50.06`	`Gryphen`	`so..`
`17:50.11`	`Gryphen`	`wait for dmca`
`17:50.13`	`zinor`	`oh those are alpha`
`17:50.21`	`cogwheel`	`Think of it this way: Say i steal a car. Then I sell the car to you. Is the car yours?`
`17:50.31`	`zinor`	`Gryphen, from experience, getting lots of dmcas tends to get blizzard to do more than not like your site :P`
`17:50.33`	`Mikma`	`zinor: blood elf`
`17:50.33`	`Corrodias`	`i find it hilariously insane that we're trying to protect a bunch of images, but that's alright, people do it all the time`
`17:50.39`	`Corrodias`	`never mind, i have to go to class, now`
`17:50.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`see you, later`
`17:51.03`	`malreth`	`it's bad... i'm looking at this script and all I can think of is, "it's not reentrant safe"`
`17:51.10`	`zinor`	`im just giving you guys fair warning, from an experienced pov :)`
`17:51.14`	`zinor`	`and wowwiki is a more credible site`
`17:51.16`	`zinor`	`would hate for it to lose that`
`17:51.28`	`Kirkburn`	`What images =)`
`17:51.33`	`zinor`	`those pages i linked`
`17:51.34`	`zinor`	`scroll up`
`17:51.38`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kirkburn FTW`
`17:51.44`	`Kirkburn`	`cough`
`17:51.48`	`Gryphen`	`rhetorical question zinor`
`17:51.49`	`Kirov`	`zinor - I see nothing on those pages.`
`17:51.53`	`TS\|Skrom`	`No file by this name exists, you can upload it.`
`17:51.54`	`zinor`	`oh`
`17:52.02`	`zinor`	`:)`
`17:52.50`	`Kirkburn`	`At all, feel free to point out more`
`17:53.08`	`zinor`	`So we're launching beta for curse v3... Monday? (not confirmed)`
`17:53.13`	`zinor`	`going to be fun :)`
`17:53.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`pot lucks at work are usually scary thing`
`17:53.22`	`Kirkburn`	`zinor, and I expect to see no NDA or DMCA breaking stuff from you in future either ...`
`17:53.31`	`zinor`	`Kirkburn, blizzard loves us :D`
`17:53.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`today wasn't so bad`
`17:53.37`	`zinor`	`i got some guy who msgs me on msn if i break it now hehe`
`17:53.39`	`Qzot`	`TS\|Skrom: Yeah. I faced one yesterday.`
`17:53.39`	`Shadowed`	`zinor: new site design?`
`17:53.42`	`Shadowed`	`already?`
`17:53.43`	`zinor`	`Shadowed, new site :)`
`17:53.47`	`Shadowed`	`?`
`17:53.49`	`zinor`	`completely redone from the ground up`
`17:53.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Damn he got there first`
`17:53.58`	`TS\|Skrom`	`www.curseyou-gaming.com`
`17:54.05`	`zinor`	`Kirkburn, we did get dmca'd for alpha images tho`
`17:54.21`	`malreth`	`AH HA HA!`
`17:54.26`	`Shadowed`	`zinor: didn't you just do that 4-5 months ago`
`17:54.28`	`malreth`	`revelation...`
`17:54.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Blimey, what a shocker`
`17:54.31`	`zinor`	`Shadowed, basically I didnt code the last site, the guy quit, and the code was left in shambles (which is wasnt much better than to begin with, as you've probably noticed if you visit the site regularly)`
`17:54.39`	`Gryphen`	`curse has been working their way into more and more trouble`
`17:54.43`	`zinor`	`ya basically`
`17:54.52`	`cogwheel`	`malreth: O.o`
`17:55.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`malreth just had a mental breakdown`
`17:55.04`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he's not one of us`
`17:55.05`	`Shadowed`	`zinor: did you guys get rid of that annoying search?`
`17:55.06`	`TS\|Skrom`	`one of us`
`17:55.09`	`zinor`	`but we're fully legit, was only that one thing, and that was when we were away at Games Con some other staff did it`
`17:55.15`	`zinor`	`Shadowed, ya itll be good on the new one :)`
`17:55.17`	`zinor`	`thats one of the main focuses`
`17:55.24`	`malreth`	`the solution was right in front of me.... i was just thinking about it backwards`
`17:55.27`	`Shadowed`	`as in, it wont have any crazy ass javascript that half works?`
`17:55.32`	`zinor`	`right`
`17:55.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`not = now`
`17:55.39`	`zinor`	`and that lags the site because the db doesnt clean itself up`
`17:55.41`	`zinor`	`:P`
`17:55.43`	`Shadowed`	`yay!`
`17:55.44`	`TS\|Skrom`	`damn I suck today I need to go to bed`
`17:55.48`	`zinor`	`but`
`17:55.51`	`zinor`	`i suggest you all check the site Monday`
`17:55.53`	`Shadowed`	`I was wondering who the crazy person was that did your site`
`17:55.55`	`Qzot`	`malreth: eh?`
`17:55.55`	`zinor`	`because we're going to limit the # of beta slots`
`17:55.57`	`TS\|Skrom`	`checks site now`
`17:55.59`	`TS\|Skrom`	`it's not up yet`
`17:56.02`	`zinor`	`as we dont want the site getting hammered yet as its on a dif server setup`
`17:56.06`	`Shadowed`	`oh hey`
`17:56.10`	`Shadowed`	`CG finally updated the damn SS and mod title`
`17:56.12`	`zinor`	`and itll require an account to view/do anything on the beta site`
`17:56.13`	`Shadowed`	`only took a week >_>`
`17:56.17`	`zinor`	`O.o`
`17:56.25`	`zinor`	`stuff caches for up to 24 hours depending on what it is`
`17:56.39`	`Shadowed`	`Was updating a mod, took probably 3-4 days for it to update the title and the SS`
`17:56.48`	`zinor`	`strange`
`17:56.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that's okay, CG is lieing to me`
`17:56.57`	`zinor`	`anyways, another thing that wont be messed up ont he new one :)`
`17:56.58`	`TS\|Skrom`	`no way my mod has had 1100 downloads already :P`
`17:57.06`	`zinor`	`you'd be suprised`
`17:57.18`	`TS\|Skrom`	`some guy commented that I'd ripped off another mod`
`17:57.24`	`zinor`	`:o`
`17:57.28`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'd never heard of the other one`
`17:57.39`	`Kirov`	`my mod has 307911 downloads already!`
`17:57.40`	`zinor`	`the guy was probably the author, haha`
`17:57.41`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and I have more downloads so far haha`
`17:57.47`	`Kirov`	`And it's only been out for 2 years!`
`17:57.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kirov - hehe`
`17:57.55`	`zinor`	`and just mad that someone else made something similar`
`17:58.05`	`TS\|Skrom`	`well... there's alot that are similar to what I did`
`17:58.13`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I knew that when I was making it, but wanted the challenge of making it myself`
`17:58.21`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'm a programmer, it's what we do, right?`
`17:58.22`	`Gryphen`	`there are a lot of similar mods that people have already done`
`17:58.29`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower_ (n=chatzill@host-70-45-82-92.onelinkpr.net)`
`17:59.04`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I just thought it was funny, and I had one of the other people that's been commenting and giving feedback pipe up to defend me before I even saw the negative comment lol`
`18:00.05`	`[RTE]`	`beer at work is gooooood`
`18:00.20`	`Amro`	`rte`
`18:00.21`	`Amro`	`pm`
`18:00.28`	`[RTE]`	`nothing`
`18:00.42`	`Cairenn`	`you have to be registered`
`18:00.47`	`[RTE]`	`I am`
`18:00.48`	`Cairenn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:00.59`	`Cairenn`	`not you, the person sending :p`
`18:01.15`	`[RTE]`	`yeah, I got it :)`
`18:01.18`	`Cairenn`	`well, you too, if you want to respond, but I know that you already are :p`
`18:01.21`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge sancus (n=none@d38-231-215.home1.cgocable.net)`
`18:01.32`	`[RTE]`	`hehe`
`18:01.38`	`Amro`	`gah i hate regging`
`18:02.05`	`[RTE]`	`just type the line and don't forget the password :)`
`18:02.15`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, takes so much time and effort to do ... /sarcasm`
`18:02.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Any other pages people have seen with alpha images?`
`18:03.02`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=legorol@cpc3-cmbg6-0-0-cust32.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)`
`18:03.32`	`Amro`	`not on freenode`
`18:03.35`	`Shadowed`	`just search for any pages with the TBC tag Kirkburn`
`18:03.38`	`Amro`	`but some servers req email and crap`
`18:03.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Don't make me do my job :(`
`18:03.54`	`Shadowed`	`since 95% of those have alpha images i bet`
`18:04.03`	`Kirkburn`	`They don't, I assure you :)`
`18:04.05`	`TS\|Skrom`	`awww poor kirk`
`18:04.14`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Suck it up soldier!`
`18:04.14`	`tyroney`	`any not huge projects I can work on in wowwiki?`
`18:04.45`	`Cairenn`	`Amro: but this isn't "some servers", it is, in fact "freenode", so just suck it up and register already, if you want to send PMs :p`
`18:05.03`	`Kirkburn`	`tyroney, well, just generally tidying and cleaning is always useful`
`18:05.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Removing alpha images and marking them {{speedydelete}} definately helps`
`18:05.51`	`Shadowed`	`lazy admin`
`18:05.53`	`tyroney`	`Kirkburn: would that be tidying on newer stuff, or just everything? (how bad is it?)`
`18:06.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Burning Crusade pages do need looking ay`
`18:06.30`	`Kirkburn`	`*at`
`18:06.45`	`Kirkburn`	`They're updated so frequently, they can start to look pretty bad`
`18:06.51`	`Kirkburn`	`(http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Burning_Crusade)`
`18:06.58`	`tyroney`	`Kirkburn: Ok, I'll browse around BC stuff. And are the alpha images generally screenshots?`
`18:07.01`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm just going through that for images atm`
`18:07.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Yep`
`18:07.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Mainly look out for Noggaholics pics`
`18:07.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Don't worry about maps`
`18:08.03`	`tyroney`	`Kirkburn: last q: any chance of getting the search box moved up? I hate having to scroll to the thing all the time. :)`
`18:08.33`	`Kirkburn`	`I've mentioned stuff along those lines to Rustak on his talk page`
`18:10.05`	`Industrial`	`1000fps http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1953/wowscrnshot090806200351po3.jpg`
`18:10.08`	`Industrial`	`xD`
`18:11.54`	`Kirkburn`	`wow`
`18:12.23`	`Industrial`	`its not realistic tho`
`18:12.31`	`Industrial`	`more like a joke I just noticed`
`18:12.31`	`Industrial`	`:>`
`18:12.55`	`Amro`	`huge action buttons`
`18:12.57`	`Amro`	`tiny text`
`18:15.11`	`Industrial`	`the filosophy behind it is that I want to see what Im doing when im in combat and to have lots of text when I want to too, because I dont read text in combat anyway it can be small like that`
`18:15.23`	`Industrial`	`and the buttons BIG so I wont even ahve to look if im out of range or not`
`18:15.33`	`Industrial`	`I mean if thats the right skill`
`18:18.06`	`wereHamster`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:18.10`	`Qzot`	`malwreth: "This is a common situation with iterators: They may be difficult to write, but are easy to use. This is not a big problem; more often than not, end users programming in Lua do not define iterators, but only use those provided by the application."`
`18:18.11`	`wereHamster`	`oops..`
`18:19.13`	`[RTE]`	`anyone here want to do german or cinese localization for GTS?`
`18:21.20`	`[RTE]`	`I know you wona :)`
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`18:23.50`	`cogwheel`	`cide: ping`
`18:24.08`	`Cide`	`pong`
`18:24.36`	`Kirkburn1`	`peng`
`18:24.37`	`cogwheel`	`would it be possible to add an option to CTProfiles so that it doesn't resize the window? I have all new windows open in tabs, and it's kindof annoying...`
`18:24.48`	`Qzot`	`malreth: ping`
`18:24.57`	`malreth`	`pong`
`18:25.01`	`Kirov`	`pang`
`18:25.06`	`Kirov`	`pyng`
`18:25.07`	`malreth`	`pung`
`18:25.17`	`Qzot`	`~emulate Kirov`
`18:25.21`	`purl`	`Kirov is an ass.`
`18:25.21`	`Qzot`	`Bah.`
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`18:25.29`	`Qzot`	`There we go.`
`18:25.30`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate kirkburn`
`18:25.32`	`purl`	`That sounded more normal in my head ...`
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`18:26.10`	`malreth`	`ok... a stateless generic roster iterator: http://wowi.pastey.net/689`
`18:26.30`	`Qzot`	`malreth: (1) Did you take a look at the generic iterator I pasteyd up? (2) I'm curious why you were try to avoid the closure.`
`18:27.01`	`Cide`	`cogwheel: I've never experienced that myself, but I've seen a few (very few) reports of it.. what browser are you using?`
`18:27.06`	`malreth`	`the way that the code will be called, a player may spam the key that is bound to the function...`
`18:27.09`	`cogwheel`	`FF2B2`
`18:27.16`	`Kirkburn1`	`~emulate Qzot`
`18:27.17`	`purl`	`Gree!`
`18:27.22`	`malreth`	`ack`
`18:27.26`	`Kirkburn1`	`weirdo`
`18:27.30`	`malreth`	`bug in the rosteriterator code`
`18:27.34`	`cogwheel`	`Qzot, closures add to GC load`
`18:28.32`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. We've had this argument before.`
`18:28.32`	`cogwheel`	`especially if the function creating the closure is called frequently`
`18:28.57`	`Qzot`	`Has anyone demonstrated how many object allocations / sec is noticeable in WoW/`
`18:29.00`	`Qzot`	`?`
`18:29.14`	`Shadowed`	`Snowball: Bid 35s. Profit 34g`
`18:29.20`	`Shadowed`	`think someones screwing with auctioneer again`
`18:29.55`	`malreth`	`hmm... i wonder if line 26 will work as i intend it to: http://wowi.pastey.net/690`
`18:29.58`	`cogwheel`	`Shadowed: it's a constant battle... the jackasses who put things up for 99g trying to scam people are obviously winning...`
`18:30.39`	`Qzot`	`malreth: Did you even look at http://wowi.pastey.net/687 ?`
`18:30.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyone know anything about either of these? http://www.wowwiki.com/Tranquillien and http://www.wowwiki.com/Tranquillian`
`18:30.51`	`cogwheel`	`malreth: that line shouldn't be necessary since a is local to RosterIterator`
`18:30.52`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: I hate them.`
`18:30.53`	`Kirkburn`	`(no, those are different links)`
`18:31.06`	`malreth`	`Qzot: yes. i did.`
`18:31.26`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: I wish the penalty for pulling an item from the AH was more substantial.`
`18:31.46`	`malreth`	`cogwheel: you're right... it will not work`
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`18:32.21`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: And I wish the penalty went to the buyer whose bid was cancelled. Then there would be motivation to carefully counter-gouge the gougers.`
`18:32.46`	`malreth`	`this should work as intended: http://wowi.pastey.net/691`
`18:32.58`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: I.e., bid what you think the item is really worth, and when the gouger cancels the auction, they get stung, and you get a reward.`
`18:33.08`	`cogwheel`	`:)`
`18:33.10`	`malreth`	`RosterIterator now just treats "party0" as being the same as "player"`
`18:33.46`	`malreth`	`Roster() also must return an iterator. returning nil causes an error at the for loop`
`18:34.25`	`malreth`	`i avoid having to create a state variable by starting at the max group index and counting backwards`
`18:34.40`	`Qzot`	`malreth: are you talking about 691 or 687 now?`
`18:34.51`	`malreth`	`that way, i can just pass the group type as my invariant and keep it all generic`
`18:34.58`	`malreth`	`691, qzot`
`18:35.39`	`malreth`	`687 would work after a typo got fixed`
`18:35.41`	`Qzot`	`malreth: the state variable in 687 is once-for-all, and creates the possibility of having an iterator which includes party/raid pets using a different state variable, but the same iterator.`
`18:35.46`	`malreth`	`(at least that's how it seemed)`
`18:35.58`	`Qzot`	`malreth: which line is typo in?`
`18:36.30`	`cogwheel`	`GenNumRaidMembers...`
`18:36.55`	`Qzot`	`Gotcha.`
`18:37.27`	`malreth`	`also, it thought the iterator function had to return something`
`18:37.44`	`Qzot`	`malreth: good catch`
`18:38.21`	`Qzot`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/692`
`18:39.05`	`cogwheel`	`had an extra letter on line 9: http://wowi.pastey.net/693`
`18:39.16`	`malreth`	`and off-hand, it looks like your iterator runs in... gah`
`18:39.27`	`malreth`	`trying to remember my order notation from CS classes`
`18:39.37`	`malreth`	`well, it's not running in O(n) time`
`18:39.42`	`malreth`	`something greater`
`18:39.55`	`Qzot`	`o.O ?`
`18:40.08`	`malreth`	`unless i'm following your code incorrectly`
`18:40.19`	`Qzot`	`I think you're following the code incorrectly.`
`18:40.27`	`malreth`	`i might be`
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`18:40.36`	`malreth`	`and i haven't eaten lunch yet`
`18:40.37`	`Qzot`	`The loop just skips returning party/raid members which don't exist.`
`18:40.38`	`Cide`	`cogwheel: I use FF2B2 and it works fine for me..`
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`18:41.38`	`malreth`	`ok... back in a bit. need to munch on something and run this in my head...`
`18:41.39`	`cogwheel`	`Well, I have links to some CTProfiles in a forum. They would open in a new window, but i have FF set up to open in new tabs whenever a page requests a new window... Clicking the link brings me to the page and then resizes the window`
`18:42.08`	`Qzot`	`malreth: Oops. I was also missing send 'end's in the init loops.`
`18:42.23`	`cogwheel`	`malreth = nil`
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`18:51.02`	`Qzot`	`Anyone around who's pretty familiar with the API for the AH?`
`18:51.23`	`Qzot`	`Specifically: The UI only lets you choose between 2, 8, and 24 hours, but the API appears to be more general.`
`18:51.53`	`Amro`	`Im sure you cant set it to something else, otherwise auctioneer would give the option to`
`18:52.09`	`Amro`	`probably, it either gets neared or only accepted if its a valid value`
`18:52.26`	`Qzot`	`Interesting argument.`
`18:53.09`	`Tuller`	`per the wiki, GetAuctionTimeLeft has a limited set of returns`
`18:53.17`	`Qzot`	`I'd love to have a hack the curtails posted auctions to an hour or half hour boundary.`
`18:53.43`	`Qzot`	`Tuller: Not talking about querying the status of already posted auctions.`
`18:53.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Heh, someone on the wiki just asked me why I'm acting like an administrator ...`
`18:53.57`	`zenzelezz`	`isn't 30 minutes valid? That's "Short" duration after all`
`18:54.16`	`Qzot`	`zenzeless: That's not a standard UI option. 2, 8, or 24.`
`18:55.36`	`Qzot`	`Tuller: I'm interested in the 3rd arg of StartAuction.`
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`18:55.51`	`Tuller`	`yeah I'm looking at that now`
`18:58.08`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. would not accetp /run StartAuction(1,1,25)`
`18:58.19`	`Qzot`	`but would accept /run StartAuction(1,1,120)`
`18:59.01`	`cogwheel`	`out of curiosity: does it fail silently or give an error message?`
`18:59.04`	`zenzelezz`	`two hours`
`18:59.14`	`zenzelezz`	`guess it is restricted to the ones on the UI`
`18:59.36`	`Qzot`	`cogwheel: silently`
`18:59.46`	`Qzot`	`but would accept /run StartAuction(1,1,479)`
`18:59.54`	`Qzot`	`but would accept /run StartAuction(1,1,480)`
`18:59.59`	`Qzot`	`err...`
`19:00.00`	`TS\|Skrom`	`8 hours`
`19:00.06`	`zenzelezz`	`what was the resulting durations on those?`
`19:00.20`	`Tuller`	`the last field is minutes`
`19:00.22`	`Qzot`	`Does not accept StartAuction(1,1,479)`
`19:00.30`	`Qzot`	`Does accept StartAuction(1,1,480)`
`19:00.35`	`Corrodias`	`minutes, you say...`
`19:00.42`	`Qzot`	`Durations are as expected by the number of minutes.`
`19:01.08`	`Corrodias`	`but there's no way to determine if the auction is lasting 24 hours or 24 days`
`19:01.11`	`zenzelezz`	`was the 479 I was curious about, but that was before you corrected your sentence`
`19:01.25`	`Qzot`	`Yeah. Sorry about that.`
`19:01.26`	`Corrodias`	`i doubt it would give you an indication other than "very long" to go, or whatever the longest time it shows is`
`19:01.28`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Corrodias auctions can't last 24 days`
`19:02.10`	`Qzot`	`I was trying to test whether only {260, 860, 2460} were the legal values, or anything between 260 and 24*60. It's the former.`
`19:02.29`	`Corrodias`	`Qzot has answered much more satisfactorally`
`19:04.00`	`Qzot`	`I do my auctions at nearly the same time everyday.`
`19:04.28`	`Corrodias`	`well crap, i am running mirc off my external drive`
`19:04.42`	`Qzot`	`But because the auctions last 24 hours, and I'm not always right on time, and because it takes me a non-zero amount of time to set up the auctions, the actual time I can do the stupid auctions creeps later every day.`
`19:04.44`	`Corrodias`	`i have to move it to C so ican disconnect it...`
`19:04.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Can someone try accessing the wiki right now, I want to test something`
`19:05.07`	`Kirkburn`	`ach, too late`
`19:05.13`	`Corrodias`	`Qzot: i actually suggest auction times of 8h if you can put them up just before "busy" parts of the day`
`19:05.29`	`Kirkburn`	`I was getting wiki-lag whilst blocking someone, wanted to see if it was wiki-wide`
`19:06.05`	`Corrodias`	`you spend less cash on AH deposit fees and they will probably eventually sell, if not as quickly`
`19:06.20`	`Corrodias`	`plus you don't have to be concerned about timecreep`
`19:06.51`	`Qzot`	`Corrodias: I try not to worry about busy times of the day.`
`19:06.59`	`Corrodias`	`bbiam`
`19:07.09`	`Qzot`	`Corrodias: Besides which, I'd have to time the auctions to start while I'm still at work in the afternood.`
`19:07.26`	`TS\|Skrom`	`TimeCreep(tm) the new movie about the time traveling jerk and his witty sidekick. Watch as they explore the mysteries of the nile river and of the human heart!`
`19:09.47`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yeah..`
`19:10.25`	`TS\|Skrom`	`man fuck this shit`
`19:10.47`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=malreth@dhcp-128-83-134-36.cc.utexas.edu)`
`19:10.56`	`malreth`	`i... live... AGAIN!`
`19:11.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`the president asked the HR person to work on our companies website and actually HELPED her with the information he wanted on it and they are all "oh this looks so great" blah blah blah`
`19:11.10`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I tried to get him to get me info for it for 3 years`
`19:11.48`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I just know someones going to go " why couldn't matt take care of this"?`
`19:12.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`but they'll never ask me...`
`19:12.08`	`malreth`	`yeah... why?`
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`19:12.28`	`malreth`	`:p`
`19:12.30`	`TS\|Skrom`	`die...in...a... fire`
`19:13.09`	`malreth`	`free of this mortal body! free!`
`19:13.21`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Get back in there, I'm not done kicking yet!`
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`19:25.58`	`malreth`	`ah, this lab manager is like, "update the desktop images on all these computers by Wednesday the 6th"`
`19:26.14`	`malreth`	`I get told about this request today`
`19:26.27`	`Amro`	`wine is the greatest. WoW runs so smoothly`
`19:26.31`	`malreth`	`really?`
`19:26.37`	`Amro`	`yeah`
`19:26.42`	`JoshBorke`	`they mean 6th of october ;-)`
`19:27.03`	`cogwheel`	`OMG... one of googl's "How to of the Day" is How to Treat a Stingray Sting... Google: lern2tasteful`
`19:27.14`	`cogwheel`	`s/l'/le'/`
`19:27.25`	`TS\|Skrom`	`JoshBorke not a wednesday ;)`
`19:27.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Your search - lern2tasteful - did not match any documents.`
`19:27.57`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hehe I had to try`
`19:28.04`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`19:28.05`	`malreth`	`people are gonna be all, "why aren't you doing your job, malreth?" "why don't you act in a timely manner, malreth?" "why do you insist we keep calling you by your wow character name, malreth?"`
`19:29.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Each weekday, the HowStuffWorks staff picks an interesting and informative survey question to ask HowStuffWorks readers. The next day we post the results here.`
`19:30.02`	`TS\|Skrom`	`The Question: Which of these fiction writers is not a Pulitzer Prize winner?`
`19:30.09`	`TS\|Skrom`	`How is that either interesting or informative?`
`19:32.30`	`Amro`	`lol`
`19:32.41`	`Amro`	`HowStuffWorks sucks`
`19:34.40`	`Amro`	`<3 blizz for server upgrades`
`19:36.42`	`TS\|Skrom`	`now that I'm thinking about that howstuffworks question more I'm singing to myself... One of these things is not like the others...`
`19:36.43`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oy`
`19:37.21`	`cogwheel`	`I think they should have an article: How HowStuffWorks.com Works`
`19:37.33`	`Abenadi`	`since Cide is in here, request for CTRA 2.0: /ratalents playername - talents for that player, or /ratalent talentname - players with that talent`
`19:37.51`	`Beladona`	`ok, that was not a song we needed to have shared, and thus piped into our subconscious as well`
`19:38.26`	`Cide`	`Abenadi: has been suggested several times, but we can add it if we find time :)`
`19:38.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Beladona -- /me evil grin`
`19:39.28`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hrm... heart of the wild looks like an herb... smells like an herb`
`19:39.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`but doesn't fit in an herb bag`
`19:39.40`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, isn't that lame?`
`19:40.36`	`Abenadi`	`is that a bug or on purpose?`
`19:40.41`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hee hee I just had the lame thought of allowing shoes into a soul bag`
`19:40.50`	`Abenadi`	`sole bag? =P`
`19:40.54`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hehe YEP!`
`19:41.02`	`JoshBorke`	`ok bye`
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`19:41.24`	`TS\|Skrom`	`my jokes were so lame they knocked JoshBorke off irc :(`
`19:41.36`	`Beladona`	`[Runic Hand of Smack You Stupid] uber lewt!`
`19:42.06`	`TS\|Skrom`	`so powa`
`19:42.35`	`Beladona`	`you ever send messages like that in guild, and then ask how many people actually tried to click?`
`19:42.40`	`Beladona`	`=P`
`19:42.50`	`TS\|Skrom`	`haha`
`19:43.00`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: you should appreciate this: My wife and I were walking through Disneyland earlier this year. Two little girls go running buy us and the father (i presume) calls after them, "Star! Sky! Get back over here!" I turned to my wife and said "if they have a son they should name him Hutch."`
`19:43.10`	`cogwheel`	`My shoulder had a bruise for 2 days`
`19:43.21`	`TS\|Skrom`	`cogwheel haha`
`19:44.00`	`Beladona`	`not getting you any corn for christmas, you already have plenty`
`19:44.05`	`Beladona`	`0.o`
`19:44.26`	`cogwheel`	`O.o o.O`
`19:44.40`	`cogwheel`	`hehe... chatzilla uses two different icons for those :)`
`19:44.53`	`cogwheel`	`doesn't work with the zero though :(`
`19:45.48`	`TS\|Skrom`	`trillian doesn't but I wish it would`
`19:48.58`	`malreth`	`:0`
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`19:52.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I should play my warrior sometime`
`19:52.50`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he was fun`
`19:53.16`	`TS\|Skrom`	`only level 28 though :p`
`19:53.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'm logged into him now to bank some stuff and I forgot how cool he looked with his little shield and cape lol`
`19:53.52`	`Kirkburn1`	`Mine's only level 10 :P`
`19:54.20`	`cogwheel`	`My main's a warrior though i've been playing my lock recently 'cause the guild i raid with is full on warrs`
`19:54.29`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm planning on making my draenei girl a warrior`
`19:54.42`	`TS\|Skrom`	`wow I also forgot how many low level gems I had stockpiled on him haha`
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`19:55.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Ooh, 22 zones now have weather effects :)`
`20:02.53`	`Amro`	`time to upgrade my os`
`20:02.54`	`Amro`	`later`
`20:07.52`	`Abenadi`	`Can I add onclick scripts in the XML to individual textures or are <Scripts> only valid for frames?`
`20:08.17`	`tyroney`	`textures aren't clicky in and of themselves, if I recall.`
`20:08.24`	`Beladona`	`nope`
`20:08.51`	`Qzot`	`Mmm. Low-level gems. Good idea.`
`20:08.55`	`Kirov`	`OnClick is only avaible to specific frame subtypes`
`20:09.06`	`Kirov`	`Buttons for example.`
`20:09.06`	`Qzot`	`Just the thing people will need to level jewelcrafting on their twink alts.`
`20:09.13`	`Beladona`	`imagine the fun you could have if you could in fact add scripts to texture objects`
`20:09.23`	`Kirov`	`for <Frame> you need to use OnMouseDown / Up`
`20:09.26`	`Beladona`	`self driven animations anyone?`
`20:09.28`	`Abenadi`	`I'm making buttons with their own art (and mouseover art). Should I make them buttons and then can i add a texture to the button? or make them frames with the textures and onclick scripts`
`20:09.30`	`tyroney`	`Now why didn't I keep collecting gems?`
`20:10.02`	`tyroney`	`Abenadi: Hold on, huh?`
`20:10.07`	`Tuller`	`if you're making buttons, make buttons :)`
`20:10.13`	`tyroney`	`exactly`
`20:10.24`	`tyroney`	`They have built in normal, pushed, and highlight textures.`
`20:10.33`	`Abenadi`	`I don't want to use the builtin ones though`
`20:10.37`	`Abenadi`	`so can I just add a texture?`
`20:10.55`	`Beladona`	`make your own, and set the NormalTexture, PushedTexture, etc...`
`20:11.06`	`Beladona`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface#Button`
`20:11.06`	`Abenadi`	`ok`
`20:11.07`	`tyroney`	`No, a button object has normal pushed and highlight textures. If you specify what those are, (your art,) they will do the things they're supposed to with no extra work on your part.`
`20:11.16`	`cogwheel`	`abenadi, by Bulitin, we mean functionality...`
`20:11.20`	`Abenadi`	`got it`
`20:11.27`	`tyroney`	`phew.`
`20:11.36`	`cogwheel`	`they don't have the actual textures unless you inherit from templates`
`20:11.38`	`Abenadi`	`i didn't know about the various builtin texture properties that could be supplied`
`20:11.52`	`tyroney`	`Sorry, I just got back from a second fire drill in two days, so I'm a little worked up.`
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`20:12.36`	`tyroney`	`I'm going to add info about the diff button textures to the wiki, since I don't see them there.`
`20:13.01`	`tyroney`	`s/add/add more/`
`20:17.03`	`Kirkburn`	`Cool new info! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/story.html#top`
`20:17.41`	`Kirkburn`	`It's a summary of what has happened over the course of WoW`
`20:19.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Oooh!`
`20:19.29`	`Kirkburn`	`"With the future in peril, a relic of the past has also surfaced, radiating renewed energy. This relic has enabled Lord Kazzak to activate the current Dark Portal, thereby reopening the gateway to...`
`20:19.29`	`Kirkburn`	`"`
`20:20.20`	`Kirkburn`	`(yes, the next word is Outland, and not "The Fluffy Planet of Otters and Cheese")`
`20:20.31`	`Thrae`	`How does Kazzak find the time to reopen the Dark Portal when he's always in Stormwind? ;)`
`20:20.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Maybe he found it there :P`
`20:20.57`	`Kirov`	`Thrae - It's probably in the library`
`20:21.12`	`Thrae`	`It must be that gated instance!`
`20:21.23`	`Kirkburn`	`I bet the child-king had it, or that bloke from BRD`
`20:21.44`	`Kirov`	`That would explain the child king's emense noggin`
`20:21.55`	`tyroney`	`He uses the lesser known not-so-dark portal to get to the dark portal.`
`20:22.18`	`Thrae`	`The "Portal Of Insufficient Light"`
`20:22.21`	`Kirkburn`	`btw, there will be ways to get to Outland from the capital cities, fortunately :)`
`20:22.45`	`tyroney`	`Dim portal?`
`20:22.46`	`gnorlish`	`~seen Tuller`
`20:23.05`	`purl`	`tuller <n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 12m 58s ago, saying: 'if you're making buttons, make buttons :)'.`
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`20:23.20`	`tyroney`	`Deja vu.`
`20:24.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Deja vu`
`20:31.34`	`malreth`	`Deja vu. the feeling you're doing something you think you have done before`
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`20:47.43`	`Industrial`	`go netherlands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tIi9jpOtHQ`
`20:52.24`	`malreth`	`The latest Cat and Girl and Friends is especially cynical: http://www.catandgirl.com/index.php`
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`20:56.54`	`Cide`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koSq-KecPm4 <- awesome`
`20:58.45`	`Mikma`	`zomg, vocal version`
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`21:00.23`	`wereHamster`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:00.43`	`Mikma`	`~gr`
`21:00.45`	`purl`	`methinks gr is Greece`
`21:00.57`	`malreth`	`HAHA! Roop is in that video!`
`21:01.07`	`malreth`	`the kodo one`
`21:01.20`	`malreth`	`he's infamous with my guild`
`21:01.48`	`malreth`	`we kill him so often and in such painful ways that he's now a verb`
`21:02.04`	`malreth`	`we call it, "getting rooped"`
`21:02.23`	`Cide`	`wereHamster: no idea`
`21:02.32`	`Cide`	`malreth: it's really good :)`
`21:03.07`	`malreth`	`wereHamster: get a firefox plugin called video downloader. you can then save the video as a .flv file that you can play with certain programs on windows or mac os`
`21:03.24`	`wereHamster`	`that's why I like google video more.. they let me download the video (and that's the only way how I can watch the video)..`
`21:03.35`	`Cide`	`wereHamster: heh, why?`
`21:03.40`	`wereHamster`	`flv, can mplayer play that?`
`21:03.46`	`malreth`	`yes`
`21:03.50`	`malreth`	`it should`
`21:03.54`	`Cide`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6951951249520322539&q=the+great+kodo`
`21:03.58`	`Cide`	`same video but on google`
`21:04.00`	`malreth`	`VLC can as well`
`21:04.34`	`wereHamster`	`I saw that, really nice ...`
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`21:09.09`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that is an awesome song lol`
`21:09.53`	`malreth`	`i bought a new kitchen knife`
`21:10.10`	`malreth`	`it finally arrived and it's epic`
`21:10.51`	`malreth`	`http://www.japanesechefsknife.com/images/Img556.jpg`
`21:11.34`	`cogwheel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:11.40`	`Mikma`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAFnyupu6Ow&NR`
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`21:12.16`	`malreth`	`so did my ex!`
`21:12.26`	`GeoDaMancer`	`That looks like it had acid treatment.`
`21:12.38`	`Kirov`	`Cutco is nice`
`21:12.40`	`malreth`	`Made of VG10 core cutting edge forged with 63 layered Nickel Damascus stainless steel blade. VG10 is the newly developed High Carbon (0.95 to1.05%) Molybdenum (0.90 to1.20%) and Vanadium (0.10 to 0.30%) stainless steel plus 1.30 to 1.50% Cobalt added to increase strength. Rockwell hardness 60 to 61 HRC.`
`21:12.44`	`cogwheel`	`GeoDaMancer: it's the way the steel is layered`
`21:12.52`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Yeah.`
`21:12.58`	`malreth`	`it's stupidly sharp`
`21:13.03`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Acid dipping is great. <.<`
`21:13.10`	`Kirov`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5BULvTr3as&mode=related&search=`
`21:13.24`	`malreth`	`as in, "OW! That's sharp. I'm so stupid!"`
`21:14.15`	`cogwheel`	`hehe... my mother-in-law has used knives about as dull as butter knives all her life. She bought some Cutco from me and promptly cut off the tips of three fingers... :\`
`21:14.46`	`gnorlish`	`cutco really is quite good`
`21:14.51`	`gnorlish`	`i sold cutco for a summer`
`21:14.56`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Cutco is great.`
`21:15.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`sounds like a Monster Cable box description`
`21:15.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`roflwaffle http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-903813354637009173`
`21:15.44`	`GeoDaMancer`	`cog: I did the same thing, well.. When I start using sharp knives, I end up cutting myself badly.`
`21:15.48`	`cogwheel`	`Mmmmmmmmmm... http://www.ramendepot.com/`
`21:15.56`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Ramen!`
`21:16.22`	`malreth`	`one of my friends also used to sell cutco. he was giving his pitch and he said, "These knives are sharp and if I were foolish, I could accidentally cut my finger." He then slices through his thumb, of course. Blood goes everywhere. "Oh my. I was foolish," he responded.`
`21:16.48`	`cogwheel`	`lol`
`21:16.55`	`gnorlish`	`i was polishing on of the non-edged knives and too my middle finger down to the bone`
`21:16.56`	`Qzot`	`Egad.`
`21:17.18`	`Qzot`	`When I'm trolling the UI boards, I can't average more than one helpful answer every 10 minutes???`
`21:17.40`	`malreth`	`it was funny, his delivery of the line.. completely calm and deadpan`
`21:18.17`	`cogwheel`	`yeah... when you cut yourself with a sharp knife, the pain takes a while to set in...`
`21:18.30`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Sometimes it doesn't.`
`21:18.31`	`Qzot`	`ewww eww eww eww`
`21:18.34`	`malreth`	`well, he was an odd fellow`
`21:18.36`	`Qzot`	`Please change the subject.`
`21:18.38`	`Qzot`	`Plesae.`
`21:18.39`	`Qzot`	`Now.`
`21:18.43`	`malreth`	`used to go around school...`
`21:18.44`	`gnorlish`	`i was fine until i rinsed it with running water`
`21:18.49`	`gnorlish`	`and my finger felt like it blew up`
`21:18.51`	`malreth`	`um... qzot... close your eues`
`21:18.53`	`malreth`	`eyes`
`21:19.04`	`malreth`	`ok... can't see this?`
`21:19.07`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I cut down to the bone on my thumb, bleed everywhere, didn't hurt. I felt light headed after a while, but it didn't hurt.`
`21:19.31`	`cogwheel`	`probably sliced a nerve ;)`
`21:20.06`	`malreth`	`ok... so he'd go around school and he'd stick a sewing needle several inches into his shoulder, walk up to a girl and say, "excuse me, i seem to have a problem. might you lend some assistance?"`
`21:20.14`	`GeoDaMancer`	`When I cut my palm open to the fatty tissue below it didn't hurt either.`
`21:20.22`	`malreth`	`sorry... several inches is exaggerating`
`21:20.26`	`malreth`	`but at least an inch`
`21:20.39`	`gnorlish`	`i bet they loved it`
`21:20.44`	`malreth`	`oh the screams`
`21:21.01`	`malreth`	`he was one masochistic mutha`
`21:21.59`	`cogwheel`	`you can sharpen mechanical pencil lead and thread it through the callousy material around your fingernails without any pain... (7th grade was really boring)`
`21:22.21`	`gnorlish`	`i used to do that`
`21:22.31`	`gnorlish`	`around that time`
`21:23.09`	`malreth`	`hey, does anyone know if Vista RC1 works with widescreen resolutions?`
`21:23.09`	`cogwheel`	`Something less disturbing for Qzot: http://boortz.com/images/funny/messy_kids.jpg`
`21:23.21`	`malreth`	`Qzot needs a unicorn chaser`
`21:23.37`	`Qzot`	`When I'm trolling the UI boards, I can't average more than one helpful answer every 10 minutes???`
`21:23.50`	`cogwheel`	`Deja vu`
`21:23.52`	`malreth`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boing_Boing#Unicorn_Chaser`
`21:24.19`	`Qzot`	`Ah, good. They've at least screwed up the UI forum, so that it's unlikely that you can view more than one thread every 10 minutes.`
`21:24.57`	`malreth`	`http://www.allfantasyart.com/unicorns/golden_unicorn.jpg`
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`21:25.20`	`cmunn`	`Heya Cide`
`21:25.24`	`Cide`	`hi`
`21:25.32`	`Gryphen`	`heya`
`21:25.57`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`21:26.01`	`cmunn`	`Any luck with finding someone else to join the CT team?`
`21:26.16`	`Cide`	`not really, no`
`21:27.34`	`cmunn`	`What skills are you looking for?`
`21:28.18`	`Kirov`	`php / java / cgi?`
`21:29.22`	`Cide`	`we have a couple of new guys for website stuff`
`21:29.37`	`Cide`	`I'm mainly looking for someone to help with ctra2 stuff right now`
`21:29.46`	`GeoDaMancer`	`php's my bitch!`
`21:30.04`	`cogwheel`	`That's what php said...`
`21:30.04`	`Kirov`	`Cide - make an svn and watch the incomplete, memory bloating features pour in!`
`21:30.34`	`Cide`	`yeah... :)`
`21:30.48`	`Kirov`	`Cide - that or suddenly ctra2 becomes ctrace2`
`21:30.51`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Sorry, don't mind me. xD`
`21:30.59`	`cmunn`	`You could always make it function in parties,too ;)`
`21:31.02`	`tyroney`	`Gee, anothe rfire alarm.`
`21:31.20`	`cmunn`	`Funny, once I hit 60 I realized just how worthless that was to add.`
`21:31.52`	`Cide`	`Kirov: or, even better; Cosmacera2`
`21:32.15`	`cogwheel`	`man... the fire alarms at my work are deafening... there's two different klaxons and a physical bell that are probably around 140dB`
`21:32.49`	`Kirov`	`KLHCTCosmacera2.0.1`
`21:32.59`	`Cide`	`revision 13853`
`21:33.09`	`cmunn`	`So, how do we apply for the GLHCTCosmacera2.0.1.13853 job?`
`21:33.19`	`ckknight`	`CT_Acemos ftw.`
`21:34.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm, now i'm disconnecting on login...`
`21:34.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what exactly are the WDB folders for?`
`21:35.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i know they're for temporary stuff, but of what kind?`
`21:35.02`	`Kirov`	`client data`
`21:35.06`	`ckknight`	`item caching and such`
`21:35.08`	`Qzot`	`Conversation starters.`
`21:35.18`	`Kirov`	`item data, mob data`
`21:35.21`	`Kirov`	`spell data`
`21:35.38`	`malreth`	`quest data, too`
`21:35.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lets see what renaming that does`
`21:35.42`	`Kirov`	`character data I think as well`
`21:36.01`	`malreth`	`renaming or deleting it is like clearing your web browser cache`
`21:36.16`	`malreth`	`ok... time to go`
`21:36.21`	`malreth`	`the weekend is nigh!`
`21:36.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`might be about time since my itemcache.wdb was about 5 mb`
`21:36.40`	`Kirov`	`Not really a big deal.`
`21:36.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well something's makin me disconnect on login now`
`21:37.00`	`Cide`	`cmunn: /query me :)`
`21:37.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so i'm trying to track that down`
`21:39.57`	`Kirov`	`Mr_Rabies2 - have you tried disabling everything?`
`21:40.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not yet but i will if i have to`
`21:40.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's just such a pain to do that to get the proper addons enabled`
`21:51.08`	`tyroney`	`for the record, you are not allowed to shut off a fire alarm once it has started.`
`21:51.34`	`Qzot`	`All fire alarms, once activated, must ring through eternity.`
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`21:54.05`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ`
`21:54.13`	`tyroney`	`you'd think they would have marked our system as disreguard the first time so that we wouldn't have had a second false alarm. I hope the technician arrives soon.`
`21:57.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well it's not my actual addons having a problem, possibly SV files`
`21:57.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cause i just enabled every addon i have at once (all 188) and it's still running smooth`
`22:01.03`	`zenzelezz`	`I had weird problems logging in after 1.12 I think it was... it sorted itself after a while o_O`
`22:01.22`	`zenzelezz`	`after a few hours that is... created an alt in the mean time`
`22:01.57`	`Amro`	`sometimes your char gets bugged and you keep getting dced`
`22:02.09`	`Amro`	`happened to me on an azuregos raid. not fun.`
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`22:09.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's doing it cross-char`
`22:14.46`	`Amro`	`cross-realm?`
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`22:26.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah, amro who isnt here`
`22:26.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:x`
`22:33.13`	`Kaso`	`ok, falling though world as ghost, this doesnt look good.`
`22:33.44`	`GeoDaMancer`	`That's nothing.`
`22:33.49`	`GeoDaMancer`	`I swam as a ghost once.`
`22:34.31`	`Kaso`	`I cant use auto-unstuck though :<`
`22:34.46`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Relogin?`
`22:34.55`	`tyroney`	`I got lodged somewhere between the tubes in the tram once.`
`22:35.02`	`cogwheel`	`eventually you'll "land" and die`
`22:35.05`	`zenzelezz`	`I was attacked by a raptor in Durotar as a ghost`
`22:35.07`	`cogwheel`	`then you can spirit heal`
`22:35.26`	`Kaso`	`I landed in water, and Auto-unstuck did nothing :<`
`22:35.41`	`cogwheel`	`hmmm...`
`22:35.57`	`tyroney`	`Water? Swim around, you might find something exciting. Just dont post screenshots.`
`22:36.33`	`Kaso`	`guess ill just wait for a GM`
`22:36.38`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com)`
`22:36.41`	`tyroney`	`Or you could find a friendly summon. Or file a ticket, and go play another character.`
`22:36.53`	`Kaso`	`Cant summon a dead guy`
`22:37.27`	`tyroney`	`Oh, forgot the as a ghost part.`
`22:37.58`	`Kaso`	`i though i could run into naxx via Stratholme, but i just fell though`
`22:38.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`AHA FOUND THE PROBLEM`
`22:38.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it was config.wtf`
`22:38.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`@_@`
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`22:38.29`	`zenzelezz`	`I miss the days when I only lagged badly during Tuesday night's backups`
`22:38.42`	`zenzelezz`	`been a week and a half since PvE raids were possible now`
`22:38.47`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Ha!`
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`22:42.06`	`tyroney`	`thanks for the reminder. Time to backup my wtf again in case of corruption.`
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`22:44.11`	`Laric`	`Heard they made some kind of fix on the euro servers thursday night.. supposedly the dc's vanished`
`22:44.27`	`Laric`	`any truth to this?`
`22:44.29`	`zenzelezz`	`no`
`22:44.40`	`zenzelezz`	`unless they left out my realm`
`22:45.30`	`Mikma`	`Today when I was playing my alt I got DC, didn't think that it's something strange, so I logged back in. But in few minutes I got DCed again but this time I couldn't log back. "`
`22:45.38`	`Mikma`	`"The information you have entered is not valid. Please check the spelling and the account name and password. bla bla.."`
`22:45.48`	`Mikma`	`"In other words someone stole my account. Currently I am working on its retreival, but it might take longer then I think. "`
`22:45.51`	`Mikma`	`and...`
`22:46.06`	`Qzot`	`Anyone know if blue.cardplace.com is down for the count?`
`22:46.12`	`Mikma`	`"I'm still working on the retreival of the account, and it is getting harder and harder. Blizzard does not want to reset the password, cuz it's not registered under my name (I got the account from the person that was selling it on forums). I am trying to solve this out. "`
`22:46.47`	`Iriel`	`That's real swift, admitting a bought account (against TOS) while asking for help with it.`
`22:47.07`	`Iriel`	`The seller probably just contacted blizzard and got the password reset as a scam.`
`22:48.08`	`Mikma`	`yeah`
`22:48.19`	`Mikma`	`i laughed my ass off when the dude started to explain that last`
`22:48.56`	`Laric`	`iriel in most of europe that part of TOS is invalid. They cannot deny you to sell the account as you are entitled to sell the same items you bought in the box at the store including the resulting account :P`
`22:49.21`	`Laric`	`but i guess that was on the us forums?`
`22:49.23`	`Mikma`	`Laric: well in this case he has only bought the account. which is illegal`
`22:49.36`	`Mikma`	`he haven't got the cd-key, game-cd's or manual`
`22:49.44`	`Laric`	`oh`
`22:49.56`	`Laric`	`idiot :P`
`22:49.58`	`Abenadi`	`Qzot: It was down for a while earlier and came up briefly, so it may come up again`
`22:50.44`	`Mikma`	`"Well, I encountered some problems with my account. Blizzard doesn't want to reset my password without propper facts as CD key, address under which the account was registered, etc, etc."`
`22:51.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`whaaaat....`
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`22:51.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i changed my settings back to what they were and the problem resurfaced`
`22:51.44`	`zenzelezz`	`many settings?`
`22:51.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it works when i delete or rename config.wtf perfectly fine, it's just in crappy resolution and everything`
`22:52.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but i change them back to what they were before config.wtf broke and it rebreaks`
`22:53.17`	`zenzelezz`	`don't suppose you changed drivers or hardware or something? o_O`
`22:53.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nothing`
`22:53.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`worked perfectly fine yesterday`
`22:53.58`	`zenzelezz`	`peculiar`
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`23:02.59`	`Legorol`	`Cide: so as i was saying..`
`23:03.26`	`Legorol`	`i will never manage to convince my guild not to whip out that Dungeon Companion`
`23:03.50`	`Legorol`	`guild is just getting on to BWL, and been doing some of AQ20`
`23:03.54`	`Cide`	`aye`
`23:04.00`	`Legorol`	`but even before they even entered for the first time,`
`23:04.07`	`Cide`	`we did that too`
`23:04.07`	`Legorol`	`BWL tactics were posted in detail on our forums`
`23:04.19`	`Legorol`	`heck, our guild has a rule that you must read tactics before raids`
`23:04.23`	`Legorol`	`i cried about that for a long while`
`23:04.32`	`Shadowed`	`never understood why people do that`
`23:04.33`	`Cide`	`well, knowing the outline of a fight is never bad`
`23:04.38`	`Legorol`	`i didn't want to read up on an instance i have never been to`
`23:04.43`	`Cide`	`however, COPYING a strategy disturbs me`
`23:04.44`	`Shadowed`	`you'll never understand how a fight works if you just watch videos and read strats for it all the time`
`23:04.54`	`Legorol`	`that's not the point though`
`23:05.03`	`Legorol`	`the thing is, by far the best part of WoW for me is discovery`
`23:05.14`	`Shadowed`	`and then as soon as you start hitting hard areas like twin emps, you'll never be able to make progress because strats can't teach you to not suck :/`
`23:05.18`	`Legorol`	`however i can't expect 39 other people who have already been 100 times to wipe for me for that`
`23:05.24`	`Cide`	`Legorol: true`
`23:05.30`	`Legorol`	`so i can understand they want to tell me "do this, don't do that"`
`23:05.32`	`Cide`	`that's why it's fun to be in the lead :)`
`23:05.46`	`Legorol`	`i tried compromising: i will do whatever you tell me, just tell me on the spot`
`23:05.47`	`Cide`	`and also why it's fun to get to a new boss, and say "okay, let's run in and see how fast we die"`
`23:05.51`	`Shadowed`	`Cide: exactly`
`23:05.53`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`23:05.56`	`Legorol`	`i don't want to have to read Raggy's abilities before i see him for the first time`
`23:06.00`	`cogwheel`	`I've always wanted to try something like MC with only the default UI and no teamspeak ;)`
`23:06.13`	`Legorol`	`UI and teamspeak are fine`
`23:06.19`	`Legorol`	`that's not ruining content`
`23:06.22`	`Shadowed`	`my guild doesn't use vent, and we're 12 bosses in`
`23:06.25`	`Cide`	`Legorol: the first time you see rag is going to be amazing, regardless of what abilities you know about, trustme :)`
`23:06.26`	`Shadowed`	`it's not really needed`
`23:06.27`	`Cide`	`trust me*`
`23:06.35`	`Legorol`	`oh i'm sure`
`23:06.38`	`Cide`	`but yes, I definitely see your point`
`23:06.44`	`Legorol`	`i found with ZG it was fun anyway, even if i read tactics beforehand`
`23:06.48`	`Shadowed`	`No boss will ever beat vael's "Time to wipe your raid group"`
`23:06.56`	`Legorol`	`i just know it had taken away some of the fun when i read the tactics`
`23:06.57`	`Cide`	`we killed vael first try :)`
`23:07.00`	`cogwheel`	`And since 1.12, we get a double dose of rag each time ;)`
`23:07.03`	`Shadowed`	`Cide: you liar`
`23:07.05`	`zenzelezz`	`Legorol: I understand what you mean, and I somewhat agree, but it can be hard to find a raid(ing) guild that agrees`
`23:07.10`	`Cide`	`not lying, no`
`23:07.14`	`Legorol`	`exactly, so i compromise`
`23:07.23`	`Shadowed`	`there is no way you one shotted vael without knowing the strat and without people who know the fight`
`23:07.26`	`Cide`	`however, the door didn't open and a week later he was fixed`
`23:07.33`	`Cide`	`to where he actually used his abilities`
`23:07.38`	`zenzelezz`	`in the end, my wish to raid overcame my wish to learn purely by experience... but thankfully there's still a lot to learn outside of guides`
`23:07.39`	`Cide`	`then we spent two weeks wiping :)`
`23:07.45`	`Shadowed`	`:p`
`23:07.49`	`Legorol`	`zenzelezz: exactly the same for me`
`23:07.55`	`Legorol`	`i found the same thing`
`23:07.56`	`Cide`	`and yes, when BWL was released, he only used his flame breath, that's it`
`23:07.58`	`Shadowed`	`I remember when BWL first came out, was first raid dungeon i did`
`23:08.00`	`Legorol`	`reading a guide wasn't the same as going in`
`23:08.05`	`Shadowed`	`was crazy`
`23:08.11`	`zenzelezz`	`and regarding Ragnaros... I utterly love his spawn sequence`
`23:08.19`	`Shadowed`	`4 months later, nef was dead and i wanted it to end!`
`23:08.25`	`Cide`	`zenzelezz: that's the good part, don't spoil it! ;)`
`23:08.37`	`zenzelezz`	`Cide: I wouldn't dream of it :)`
`23:08.41`	`Shadowed`	`too soon!`
`23:08.46`	`zenzelezz`	`quiet you`
`23:08.50`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'm sorry shamans :(`
`23:08.58`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I think I just caused another nerf shaman post on the boards :(`
`23:09.05`	`zenzelezz`	`I also really like Vaelastrasz`
`23:09.19`	`Cide`	`vaelastrasz is probably my favorite fight`
`23:09.25`	`Cide`	`second to... heigan the unclean`
`23:09.35`	`Legorol`	`only thing that sucks about my guild's raiding situation is this:`
`23:09.43`	`zenzelezz`	`afraid my guild's only downed Anub'Rekhan and Instructor Razuvious yet`
`23:09.46`	`Legorol`	`raid signups are first-come, first-served`
`23:09.47`	`Shadowed`	`I can't stand heigan`
`23:09.51`	`Legorol`	`there are fixed slots for hardcores`
`23:09.51`	`Shadowed`	`people don't understand how to dance`
`23:10.02`	`Legorol`	`and we have 10 warriors in the guild who want to go routinely, for 5 slots`
`23:10.06`	`Legorol`	`3 of which are fixed`
`23:10.07`	`Cide`	`Shadowed: I do, that's why it's so fun :)`
`23:10.13`	`Cide`	`Legorol: ouch :(`
`23:10.19`	`Legorol`	`that leaves 7 of us competing for 2 slots on a "let's camp the signup site" fashion`
`23:10.21`	`Cide`	`fixed spots isn't good for a guild, in my opinion`
`23:10.24`	`Shadowed`	`yeah same`
`23:10.30`	`zenzelezz`	`my guild just invites the first 40 online`
`23:10.35`	`Legorol`	`and the sad part is:`
`23:10.36`	`Cide`	`same`
`23:10.36`	`zenzelezz`	`with some changes if necessary`
`23:10.39`	`Shadowed`	`it's fun being the only one alive after 2-4 dances`
`23:10.39`	`Legorol`	`warrior isn't even my favourite class`
`23:10.44`	`Legorol`	`in fact i don't even like it that much`
`23:10.48`	`Legorol`	`it just happens to be my only 60`
`23:10.52`	`Cide`	`what would you like to play?`
`23:11.00`	`Shadowed`	`I really like the 4H fight`
`23:11.00`	`zenzelezz`	`level the class you want to raid with!`
`23:11.01`	`Legorol`	`mage probably, or maybe even priest`
`23:11.03`	`Shadowed`	`best out of all of them`
`23:11.10`	`Legorol`	`lock sounds fun too`
`23:11.11`	`Cide`	`priest is probably more interactive`
`23:11.14`	`Legorol`	`anythign with a mana bar`
`23:11.21`	`Cide`	`but can also be more boring, depending on what you like`
`23:11.26`	`Legorol`	`i levelled all classes except rogue to at least 20`
`23:11.30`	`Legorol`	`and i found mage the most fun`
`23:11.41`	`zenzelezz`	`Legorol: "banish! banish! Why do you keep banishing? Summon plx. Is SS up?"`
`23:11.42`	`zenzelezz`	`;)`
`23:11.47`	`Cide`	`if you want big numbers, you'll gasp if you're a mage, and think "god damnit, my heal crit, now I overhealed again" if you're a priest`
`23:11.48`	`Legorol`	`lol`
`23:12.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`23:12.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's true`
`23:12.10`	`Legorol`	`whatever..`
`23:12.16`	`Cide`	`I love playing a priest though :)`
`23:12.18`	`Legorol`	`basically i created my current char on day 1`
`23:12.21`	`Legorol`	`was very slow to level`
`23:12.27`	`Legorol`	`the guild changed, classes come and went, etc.`
`23:12.31`	`zenzelezz`	`but really, raiding is all the more fun when you're playing a class you enjoy`
`23:12.34`	`Legorol`	`and i found myself at 60 with my class over-subscribed`
`23:12.46`	`Legorol`	`tbh i don't care what clas i play`
`23:12.50`	`Legorol`	`i'm most interested in content`
`23:12.57`	`Legorol`	`so i'd gladly switch over to any class really`
`23:13.12`	`Legorol`	`unfortunately my guild has a no-switch policy due to the DKP system`
`23:13.25`	`Legorol`	`understandably they don't want to spread the loot thin`
`23:13.35`	`zenzelezz`	`it's sort of peculiar... when my friends drew me into WoW, I rolled a warrior, and never looked another way`
`23:13.46`	`zenzelezz`	`really enjoy it`
`23:13.47`	`Shadowed`	`i started off with rogue, got bored and rolled a warrior`
`23:13.49`	`Legorol`	`you know why i have a warrior?`
`23:13.52`	`Shadowed`	`enjoy a warrior a lot more`
`23:14.00`	`Legorol`	`because i played other classes i thought might be fun during betas`
`23:14.15`	`Legorol`	`when retail hit, i was: "hmm, what haven't i tried yet, what would be cool as a class for modding"`
`23:14.24`	`Legorol`	`so i made my first retail character a warrior, just to try`
`23:14.33`	`Legorol`	`so it happend to be the highest level at some point`
`23:14.44`	`Legorol`	`i decided i needed a 60, so i started concentrating more on him`
`23:14.49`	`Legorol`	`even though i'm normally an altoholic`
`23:15.13`	`Legorol`	`it's actually pretty much just chance that my 60 happens to be the first char i made`
`23:15.20`	`Legorol`	`but at least he is called Legorol :)`
`23:15.21`	`zespri`	`I guess it's depend on what type of a person you are. I'm in this respect akin to Legorol, I played most classes. However I can't say I enjoyed some class most. On the opposite. The most boring class was paladin =)`
`23:15.37`	`zenzelezz`	`hehe`
`23:15.49`	`Legorol`	`also, my 60 happens to have the highest played time... but only because Legorol is hwom i use for modding :)`
`23:16.05`	`Legorol`	`when i was around lvl 40, people didn't beleive i had over 30 days played`
`23:16.17`	`zespri`	`But my friend is playing warrior, talking all the time that he need to go make an alt and never does it. So I guess he is happy as a warrior and not really an alt person`
`23:16.27`	`Legorol`	`all that /reloadui helped with that played time :)`
`23:16.42`	`zenzelezz`	`zespri: either that, or he just has a hard time adjusting to something with a mana bar`
`23:16.47`	`Legorol`	`i didn't really like soloing with a warrior`
`23:16.53`	`Legorol`	`it became much more fun in groups when i started tanking`
`23:16.57`	`Legorol`	`i don't think i want a dps warrior`
`23:17.02`	`Legorol`	`tanking is challenging and exciting`
`23:18.23`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't think I'd mind having some DPS gear, but I doubt I would spec DPS unless my guild asked me to... I like tanking (although I'm mostly forced to be a low-rank offtank due to my gear now =)`
`23:20.38`	`Legorol`	`in my guild non-tanking warriors are unwelcome in raids`
`23:20.47`	`Legorol`	`so if you want to raid, you spec prot`
`23:21.05`	`Mery`	`thats only because you got so many warriors`
`23:21.30`	`Legorol`	`eh?`
`23:21.39`	`Legorol`	`i'd have thought that with many warriors, you could let a few go dps`
`23:21.49`	`Legorol`	`if there were only few, then i'd understand forcing all prot spec`
`23:22.24`	`Legorol`	`Cide, which channel is this channel?`
`23:22.35`	`Legorol`	`:)`
`23:22.44`	`zenzelezz`	`my guild likes to bring at least one DPS warrior (Arms, for Mortal Strike)`
`23:22.56`	`Cide`	`this would be cairenn's lounge`
`23:23.10`	`Legorol`	`and where would her dining room be?`
`23:23.52`	`Mery`	`I mean if the guild can choose to only take prot specced warriors because they got enough they can do so, we always had max 3 to 4 full prot warriors so well no choice =)`
`23:24.10`	`Cide`	`Legorol: in that corner, /points`
`23:24.38`	`Kirkburn`	`But that's the corner with the nekkid laydeez`
`23:25.33`	`Shadowed`	`imo, any guild who underplays the value of a well geared DW warrior is crazy`
`23:26.04`	`Shadowed`	`You only need 2 prot warriors, theres very few encounters that call for more`
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`23:33.38`	`Qzot`	`sigh`
`23:34.07`	`Qzot`	`My buddy got stood up by Rob Pardo.`
`23:34.16`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`23:34.22`	`Qzot`	`Meh.`
`23:34.40`	`Qzot`	`Makes an appointment. Doesn't keep it. No note, no contact. Nothing. Bleah.`
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`23:37.21`	`Kirov`	`Qzot - He did something similar to my girlfriend. Asked to see her early first day of last E3, finally got around to seeing her the next day in the afternoon.`
`23:37.53`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. Did he contact her at the time of the 1st meeting?`
`23:38.13`	`Kirov`	`Nope, he was no where to be found, she sat around E3 near the Blizzard booth for 5 hours.`
`23:38.26`	`Qzot`	`Sounds like the same guy, then.`
`23:38.44`	`Qzot`	`Reminds me of my pizza story.`
`23:38.49`	`Qzot`	`Which goes...`
`23:38.53`	`TS\|Skrom`	`You lost me at girlfriend`
`23:39.03`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`23:39.09`	`Kirov`	`TS\|Skrom - do you know who Rob Pardo is?`
`23:39.16`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yes :)`
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`23:39.31`	`Qzot`	`We ordered a pizza: It arrived 45 minutes after they said, it was cold, and the cheese was stuck to the box top.`
`23:39.34`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he and I are running away together`
`23:39.43`	`Kirov`	`lol`
`23:39.43`	`Grem`	`Does anyone know Blizzard's exact stance on changing the skins of models in WoW?`
`23:39.49`	`Cairenn`	`it's not allowed`
`23:39.53`	`Cairenn`	`period`
`23:39.54`	`Qzot`	`I called the pizza place to complain, and said exactly that: cold, late, and stuck to the box.`
`23:40.09`	`Grem`	`Are there any UI ways to change the appearance or color of existance of models?`
`23:40.19`	`Kirov`	`Grem - no`
`23:40.19`	`Qzot`	`His response? "Yes, that sounds like one of our pizzas. What seems to be the problem?"`
`23:40.27`	`Kirov`	`Qzot - lol!`
`23:40.36`	`Cairenn`	`read what I just said ... It.Is.NOT.Allowed.`
`23:40.48`	`Qzot`	`Disallowed.`
`23:40.52`	`Qzot`	`Verboten.`
`23:40.56`	`Qzot`	`Not permitted.`
`23:41.02`	`Cairenn`	`Forbidden`
`23:41.06`	`Qzot`	`Against the TOS/EULA.`
`23:41.14`	`Grem`	`So that means people arent allowed to do it?`
`23:41.22`	`Qzot`	`-.-`
`23:41.27`	`Grem`	`;-)`
`23:41.39`	`Kirov`	`Qzot - sounds like a "effin' customers, always getting in the way of my procrastination."`
`23:41.44`	`Grem`	`Thanks, that's the answers I was looking for`
`23:41.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`which one/`
`23:42.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`dur I'm a stupid retard who can't read a mobs level before attacking and wasted an ankh on my brother's shaman ><`
`23:42.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'm embarassed to call myself a gamer atm ><`
`23:43.21`	`Kirkburn`	`Ner ner, TS\|Skrom is a gamer!`
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`23:43.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I don't suppose that there is a list of the possible variables you can SET with /console, is there?`
`23:44.11`	`Guillotine`	`Cairenn, how do I remove one of my interfaces from WoWI if the bug it fixes has been implemented?`
`23:44.25`	`Cairenn`	`you pm me with the link and I delete it`
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`23:47.29`	`Kirov`	`ooo, I can have you delete a bunch of my addons then`
`23:47.43`	`Cairenn`	`sure, if you want`
`23:48.03`	`Cairenn`	`I'd want to know why you're unhappy with our site and pulling your mods, but the decision is yours obviously`
`23:48.10`	`Qzot`	`Me, too! Me, too!`
`23:48.20`	`Qzot`	`Can you delete a bunch of Kirov's addons for me?`
`23:49.11`	`Kirkburn`	`No, let me, let me, I need more power, the wiki isn't enough! FEED ME! :)`
`23:49.12`	`TS\|Skrom`	`feed me seymour!`
`23:49.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Perhaps I should have plant feed instead of cookies :P`
`23:49.59`	`cmunn`	`Cookie > Plant feed`
`23:50.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Mmmhmm, that's true`
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`23:50.37`	`Kirkburn`	`What self-respecting carnivorous plant would refuse cookies`
`23:52.47`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I can't think of any`
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`23:53.13`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Borke. xD`
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`23:54.01`	`GeoDaMancer`	`Aw, I scared him away.`
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