| 00:01.28 | [floyd] | Cide: On load? |
| 00:02.51 | _bs | what would be the best to determine if someone is online? |
| 00:03.00 | _bs | s/best/best way/ |
| 00:03.11 | _bs | good bot ;) |
| 00:03.16 | Cide | [floyd]: when the statement is executed |
| 00:03.19 | thr | something like: /whisper person ? |
| 00:03.20 | thr | ;< |
| 00:03.30 | [floyd] | This thing is fairly smart :) |
| 00:03.55 | [floyd] | Cide: I see. There's no way to use pre-compiled scripts in WoW, is there? |
| 00:03.56 | Iriel | Just a note, out of memory does fire an event |
| 00:04.01 | Iriel | you can catch it and flush cached data |
| 00:04.17 | Cide | [floyd]: they removed that in beta when someone abused it |
| 00:04.30 | Iriel | No, precompilation offers no real benefit and a whole lot of pain |
| 00:04.38 | Cide | your code is compiled on load in any case |
| 00:04.42 | [floyd] | Ah, too bad -- they did the same with Quake :/ |
| 00:04.54 | Iriel | Why's it too bad? |
| 00:05.05 | Iriel | Can you provide a single example where it's of benefit to a player? |
| 00:05.13 | Iriel | (measurable benefit) |
| 00:05.13 | [floyd] | If it's compiled during load, there's nothing lost, really. |
| 00:06.06 | [floyd] | Only (possible) benefit would be distribution of closed-source AddOns. Correction: "Cheat Buddies". |
| 00:06.07 | [floyd] | ;) |
| 00:06.28 | Iriel | and thus... 8-) |
| 00:06.31 | Cide | our data collectors like thottbot, which used to be precompiled |
| 00:06.35 | Cide | s/our/or/ |
| 00:07.17 | Cide | but then again, it was abused already in beta so.. out it went! |
| 00:07.45 | Iriel | Cide: Is that for sure, or was it just never there? |
| 00:07.54 | Cide | Iriel: it was there |
| 00:08.04 | [floyd] | Iriel: DevTools' framestack doesn't render on top of the world map. Already tried changing the frame strata to FULLSCREEN_DIALOG. To no avail. Is this a 'known issue'? |
| 00:08.14 | Mery | it was there, slouken posted something along the lines: "No precompiles lua form next patch on, sorry thott" |
| 00:08.22 | Cide | someone precompiled an addon which labelled a certain player on the server as a ninja, I believe |
| 00:08.23 | Iriel | [floyd],: It's a nobody ever mentioned it not working issue 8-) |
| 00:08.51 | Iriel | [floyd], : Can you fling me an email (iriel@vigilance-committee.org) so I dont forget |
| 00:08.55 | [floyd] | Iriel: Well.... I just did Fix it! ;) /jk |
| 00:09.07 | [floyd] | Sure, will do. |
| 00:09.13 | Iriel | Thanks |
| 00:09.16 | Mery | and I think that addon you mention cide wasn't precompiled, just because it was in cosmos everybody got it |
| 00:09.19 | Iriel | may inspire me to release /dteventtrace |
| 00:09.43 | Cide | Mery: you sure? well, it doesn't matter anyway - the devs realized what could be done with it |
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| 00:10.54 | Mery | pretty sure, but really doesn't matter why it got removed :) |
| 00:13.59 | Mery | "In the upcoming push, the game will not load compiled Lua. Sorry Thott! :)" was the post by slouken, google ftw lol |
| 00:14.22 | Kaso | Theres no way to check if a frame is registered to an event is there? |
| 00:16.02 | Iriel | Kaso: no |
| 00:16.39 | Iriel | Kaso: But there's no harm in registering twice, or unregistering for an un-registered event, so generally it doesn't matter |
| 00:17.02 | Kaso | I was thinking if i could make a fake event fire. |
| 00:18.28 | Kaso | i assume just randomly calling all frames OnEvent script might cause a couple problems. |
| 00:19.52 | Iriel | Probably 8-) |
| 00:20.15 | Iriel | It's messy to properly fake events anyway |
| 00:21.07 | Cide | steal some unnecessary event and redefine the global ;) |
| 00:28.58 | [floyd] | Is table.getn( t ) identical to t.n as long as I do not have an association for "n" specified in respective table? |
| 00:31.41 | Cide | no, .n is not used for that anymore |
| 00:31.49 | Cide | with the exception of arg.n when using function(...) |
| 00:32.17 | Kaso | does Disable/Enable all addons obay charaters yet? |
| 00:32.24 | Iriel | Well, in 5.0, table.getn(n) is identical to t.n as long as you DO have an association defined for n |
| 00:32.59 | Iriel | If you dont define n, then table.getn uses an internally maintained value, or on-demand calculation (depending on whether you've table.setn'ed it) |
| 00:33.37 | [floyd] | Is the value maintained internally if I merely table.insert'd? |
| 00:33.51 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:34.04 | Iriel | once you have an 'n' entry, it stores it there, though |
| 00:34.15 | [floyd] | Thanks. |
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| 00:36.07 | Cairenn | evening Kaelten |
| 00:36.47 | Kaelten | good eveing |
| 00:38.08 | Qzot | Oh, this is so sad. |
| 00:38.31 | Qzot | Afaict, all mounts are listing all permissable races which can ride that mount. |
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| 00:50.21 | Kaso | as suspected http://pastey.net/830 didnt work :< |
| 00:50.21 | Qzot | Catch you all later. |
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| 00:51.03 | thr | is there anyway to delete an element in a table in lua? |
| 00:51.17 | thr | or is the only viable option to set it to nil? |
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| 00:51.30 | thr | maybe deleted and nil is the same, but not in my book ;< |
| 00:51.32 | Kevorkian | setting to nil == deleting |
| 00:51.36 | Kevorkian | sorta |
| 00:51.41 | thr | well, sorta is not good enough ;p |
| 00:51.47 | thr | i need to remove the key |
| 00:51.49 | thr | from the table. |
| 00:52.01 | Kaso | table.remove |
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| 00:52.23 | thr | but that only works for numerical ones right? |
| 00:52.39 | Kaso | yes |
| 00:52.53 | thr | bah ;< and that REMOVES the key, not just sets it to nil? |
| 00:54.01 | Iriel | What are you people talking about? |
| 00:54.06 | Iriel | Setting a value to nil *IS* deleting |
| 00:54.32 | Iriel | table.remove is just nilling a numeric key |
| 00:54.43 | Iriel | Technically 'array keys' dont exist in the table anyway |
| 00:55.35 | Kevorkian | I was saying the "sorta" because if I understand it correctly (not guaranteed) setting to nil just marks it for GC, deleting occurs whenever GC gets around to it |
| 00:56.19 | Iriel | well, that's a somewhat different issue |
| 00:56.24 | Iriel | setting the value to nil releases the reference |
| 00:56.29 | Kevorkian | indeed |
| 00:56.32 | Iriel | it has nothing to do with the object the reference is pointing at |
| 00:56.38 | Iriel | but those have nothing to do with tables, per se |
| 00:56.49 | Iriel | you CAN, however do table[whatever] = nil; collectgarbage(0) |
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| 00:57.00 | Iriel | and it'll get collected too as long as nothing else references it |
| 00:57.06 | Iriel | but you have to sit through a GC run |
| 00:57.29 | Kevorkian | I like to let my garbage pile up some, I'm slovenly that way |
| 00:59.11 | Iriel | table.remove(T) is functionally identical to n = table.getn(T); T[n] = nil; table.setn(T, n-1) |
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| 01:00.35 | [floyd] | On a related note, would you have to manually have to update the table count when doing something like t["blah"] = nil; ? |
| 01:01.08 | Iriel | only if you were using the table count 8-) |
| 01:01.14 | Iriel | Generally it's meaningless for non-array tables |
| 01:01.27 | Iriel | if you use setn on a table, you'll have to manage it manually from then on |
| 01:01.53 | thr | is there any quick function to extract all keys from a table? |
| 01:02.20 | Kevorkian | into... another table? |
| 01:02.23 | thr | yes |
| 01:02.25 | [floyd] | Alright -- so if I never ever in my life used table.setn this is of no interest to me? |
| 01:02.49 | Kevorkian | you can iterate through the keys.. |
| 01:03.11 | Kevorkian | but then essentially you're just creating a copy of the keys |
| 01:04.06 | Iriel | More or less, if you haven't NEEDED setn/getn, just ignore it |
| 01:04.22 | Iriel | If you start working with tables-as-arrays a lot, then you end up needing to at least know about them |
| 01:04.22 | [floyd] | Heh, alright, thanks :) |
| 01:04.36 | Iriel | But if you usually use tables-as-hashtables then it's useless |
| 01:04.41 | Kirov | did Qzot finish that addon of his? |
| 01:04.54 | thr | forget that Kevorkian getting to tired for this now going to sleep soon ;< |
| 01:04.55 | [floyd] | Actually, I've not (knowingly) used tables for anything BUT arrays. |
| 01:05.37 | Iriel | in that case, as long as you've never setn'ed, you can forget about the subtleties of setn/getn |
| 01:05.44 | amro | gnight all |
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| 01:08.26 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 01:08.44 | Kevorkian | no idea kirov |
| 01:09.11 | Kevorkian | iriel: now you've piqued my curiousity |
| 01:09.54 | Iriel | It's going to be nothing but an old curiosity soon, once wow switches to lua 5.1 |
| 01:11.26 | [floyd] | Does that mean that most AddOns will fail to work? |
| 01:11.52 | Kevorkian | heh, I was just looking in 5.1 going "why can't I find setn?" |
| 01:11.58 | Cide | ones that use deprecated syntax (for k, v in tbl do .. instead of for k, v in pairs(tbl) do ...) will |
| 01:12.03 | zenzelezz | "most" sounds a bit exaggerated |
| 01:12.15 | Cide | as well as function(...) use |
| 01:12.37 | [floyd] | Mine will be safe \o/ |
| 01:12.37 | Iriel | There's a number of significant differences -- see the 2.0 changes thread on the wow UI forum for a summary of the important ones. |
| 01:12.42 | Kevorkian | well if its going away I'll leave it alone |
| 01:18.35 | thr | is there any quick way to dump an array? |
| 01:18.43 | thr | or do i have to write a function for that manually? |
| 01:18.54 | thr | well array/table to se it's values/keys. |
| 01:19.22 | [floyd] | thr: Iriel's /dump in DevTools does that fairly nice ;) |
| 01:19.46 | thr | ah, gotta install those again |
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| 01:34.58 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 01:38.25 | Qzot | f:SetScript("OnClick", function() Qzml:log('Click'); end); |
| 01:39.22 | Xuerian | Ahuh? |
| 01:39.56 | Qzot | If I run this line when the frame is being instantiated, then I get a message saying "<unnamed> doesn't have an "OnClick" script". |
| 01:40.18 | Kirov | Qzot - how's your version working? |
| 01:40.25 | Xuerian | Doesn't it have to be a button, or registered for clicks? >.> |
| 01:40.34 | Qzot | My version of...? |
| 01:40.51 | Kirov | I had a working raid target icon radial menu ... then my computer blew up and won't boot |
| 01:41.20 | Qzot | Lol. Didn't expect to generate competition. Now I feel pressure. :D |
| 01:42.17 | Qzot | It's weird. If I set no script, everyone's happy. If I *do* set a script, then it complains that there isn't one. Peculiar. |
| 01:42.46 | Xuerian | I belive it's like the HasScript api function it returns if it CAN have a script, since GetScript actually gets it |
| 01:42.54 | Cide | as in, the frame type cannot have an OnClick script |
| 01:42.57 | Iriel | Indeed, only Buttons have OnClicks |
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| 01:44.17 | Qzot | D'oh. I misread http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 01:44.38 | Qzot | Afk for Japanese... |
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| 01:45.50 | Qzot | Yay! Silly bug. That worked. |
| 01:46.23 | zenzelezz | the Japanese... nothing they can't solve |
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| 01:53.18 | malreth | MRWRAR!@#! |
| 01:53.33 | Wobin | who is Mr Wrar? |
| 01:53.39 | Tuller | someone who broke something? |
| 01:53.59 | zenzelezz | nah, he's pimping a new competitor to WinRAR |
| 01:55.08 | malreth | how are you happy people? |
| 01:55.34 | Tuller | cookies? |
| 01:55.51 | malreth | cookies are good |
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| 01:58.06 | [floyd] | Except those that make your gf say: "So you've been surfing porn again?" ;) |
| 02:00.49 | Industrial | lol |
| 02:01.30 | Kirkburn | Fecking IE6, I've broken it again :P |
| 02:03.34 | [floyd] | Why break it yourself? "They" have broken it already ;) |
| 02:03.41 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 02:04.16 | Kirkburn | Somehow I've managed to make the 'search' box totally mad, not entirely sure how/when I did it, because I don't have IE6 on this machine :/ |
| 02:05.10 | Kirkburn | Apart from that ... http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/ :) |
| 02:05.27 | [floyd] | Some 3rd party shell extension most probably. Get Windows Defender and do a scan -- unless you're running it already. |
| 02:05.48 | Kirkburn | No, no, a search box I've coded for my website :P |
| 02:06.22 | Kirkburn | It worked earlier, but I've been cutting down the code |
| 02:06.38 | [floyd] | Oh :D I'm noob to the whole web programming stuff, don't value my words in that respect more than you would a syphilitic hoe ;) |
| 02:06.47 | Kirkburn | lurvely |
| 02:07.05 | Kirkburn | You don't have IE6 do you, just so I can quickly try something? :) |
| 02:08.14 | [floyd] | Nope, sorry. I was going to get Vista and IE6 -- but I'm running out of disk space :/ |
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| 02:08.49 | Kirkburn | Sounds familiar, I have 3 gig left on a 30 gig HD and I want to try Vista too ... |
| 02:08.52 | [floyd] | Never thought that disk space would ever be an issue, but laptops... even in this day and age.... do come with very little of that :/ |
| 02:09.23 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I'm sorry to say I skimped on that respect as well |
| 02:10.10 | Kirkburn | Btw, er, are you *sure* you don't have IE6 - IE7 is the new one ... |
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| 02:10.54 | [floyd] | Hahahaha, you got me there, yeah, I suppose I've had a beer to many ;) |
| 02:10.59 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 02:12.05 | Kirkburn | If you could be so kind, could you look on [http://chig3.georgepribul.eu] and tell me if the search box (top-right) is messed up? |
| 02:13.56 | [floyd] | Looks like it is -- can't enter search terms, and the search button seems to be cut off (only about 3 px visible). |
| 02:14.07 | Kirkburn | Okay, gonna try something quikcly |
| 02:14.55 | Kirkburn | How about now? |
| 02:16.53 | [floyd] | Works! OMG it wurks!!!11one1 |
| 02:17.14 | Kirkburn | Awesome, weird, but awesome :) Thanks! |
| 02:17.29 | [floyd] | Except, maybe, an asthetic thingie, the search text is centered, not left-aligned. |
| 02:17.58 | thr | what event should you register and look for so you can do all frame setup, etc. ? if i do it in onLoad it misses some stuff, i know there is an event that's commonly used for this instead... which one is it? ;< |
| 02:18.01 | Kirkburn | Oh that's on purpose - I'm still working on the design |
| 02:18.54 | [floyd] | thr: ADDON_LOADED? |
| 02:19.21 | thr | [floyd], /hug thnx |
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| 02:19.39 | [floyd] | I presume you hugged me in a manly way. |
| 02:20.26 | thr | ^^ ;p |
| 02:24.51 | Shadowed | Anyone else been crashing with a "not enough space to process this command" error in like SPFile.cpp when reloading? |
| 02:26.02 | thr | [floyd] was the "PLAYER_LOGIN" i was lookingfor ;P |
| 02:26.38 | [floyd] | So take back your hugging ;P |
| 02:26.43 | malreth | yay! malreth's leaving! |
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| 02:33.02 | [floyd] | Kirkburn: "Works" includes the search icon being in the right place also. |
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| 03:12.46 | MentalPower|AFK | off to the movies for me (World Trade Center) |
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| 03:15.48 | Tem | *cheer* |
| 03:15.54 | Tem | this shitty hotel has free wireless |
| 03:16.12 | Cairenn | shitty hotel +1 |
| 03:18.11 | Tem | hehe |
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| 04:04.28 | Corr[home] | hmm. enchantme's supposed tooltips are not showing |
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| 04:16.27 | Corr[home] | even without any tooltip addons loaded. hmm. |
| 04:24.33 | Iriel | So... i'm going to try and do a bit of work on /dteventtrace, which is essentially a 'capture lots of events' tool |
| 04:24.55 | Iriel | I want to allow filtering by event name and regular expression, do I need to add 'by function' to that? |
| 04:26.19 | Iriel | Also, i'm torn on allowing filtering on capture versus display, both have advantages but I worry that it'll get too complex to do both |
| 04:28.58 | Iriel | Does anyone have thoughts? requests? suggestions? |
| 04:31.22 | Cide | well, matching all the arg#'s individually for one (but that might be obvious) |
| 04:31.24 | Corr[home] | something that displays events as they occur, you say... |
| 04:32.06 | Corr[home] | what would be the purpose of filtering at capture time rather than display time? |
| 04:32.08 | Cide | some sort of frequency display could be useful, but that may or may not be hard depending on how you're setting it up, so... |
| 04:32.39 | Corr[home] | if it is a performance issue, there is no reason to be too concerned about performance for a development tool, unless it gets -really- bad |
| 04:32.44 | Iriel | Filtering at capture time allows more efficient use of the buffer |
| 04:32.58 | Cide | I imagine it would be more useful to do filtering on display, but it'd be more memory heavy (which I don't really consider a big problem) |
| 04:33.05 | Iriel | exactly |
| 04:33.26 | Iriel | Given event rates in the outside world i'm not thinking it's much of an issue, but i'm not sure how raids and stuff end up |
| 04:33.44 | Iriel | there's a whole lot more units with changes then |
| 04:33.44 | Cide | well, the chat_msg events will spam.. a lot |
| 04:34.02 | Cide | say, 100-200 events a second from those alone? |
| 04:34.28 | Iriel | so there's an argument for collection filtering unless you want to set up a huge buffer |
| 04:34.53 | Cide | that could work |
| 04:35.03 | Qzot | I wish Blizzard would bring the forums back. I miss them. |
| 04:35.36 | Iriel | it's set up as a rolling buffer, i'lll probably add 'capture until full/capture always' options to control how it wraps |
| 04:35.42 | Iriel | and of course buffer size tuning |
| 04:35.54 | Iriel | the display is a list of the last X events (depending on how big it is) |
| 04:36.06 | Iriel | and it will have a scrollbar over the buffer's size |
| 04:36.18 | Corr[home] | scrollbars have limited range.. |
| 04:36.32 | Corr[home] | or do you mean.. i may not have read carefully enough |
| 04:36.50 | Corr[home] | to choose how many events to display? |
| 04:36.59 | Iriel | That'll likely be a slash command |
| 04:37.05 | Iriel | I mean to scroll through the events |
| 04:37.33 | Iriel | I'll likely have keyboard and mousewheel bindings also |
| 04:39.52 | Iriel | Obviously memory use is an issue if you keep too many things around, this is intended more for those 'what the hell goes on when I do X' questions |
| 04:40.00 | Iriel | I see some folks leaving it on rolling always |
| 04:40.38 | Iriel | and others having it roll with a stop button, or having it start capturing on a keypress or click until the buffer fills |
| 04:49.22 | Corr[home] | ah |
| 04:52.03 | Iriel | Right now it just captures everything (and includes OnUpdate's to delimit frames), but doesn't have a scrollbar or any frills, largely it was a proof of concept for the buffer code |
| 04:54.11 | Qzot | Slow forums > "server is busy, please try again". |
| 04:55.52 | Iriel | Maybe /nick Qzot|grumpy |
| 04:55.53 | Kirov | Qzot - http://www.asgardguild.com/mods/SimpleRaidTargetIcons.0.1.zip |
| 04:56.04 | Iriel | though you'd want to register that and tie it to your main nick |
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| 06:18.51 | Xuerian | When using GetItemInfo, how do I go about getting the localized value inside the constant returned for ItemEquipLoc? |
| 06:19.18 | Cairenn | rofl, cute site: http://www.automatedredemption.com/flavorcountry/dogblog/2006/06/dogs-262-267.html |
| 06:19.35 | Cairenn | This little guy was fine with not being on a leash, but I don't think he grasped the concept of "people going inside stores." While I was trying to take his picture, he kept pacing back and forth over a twelve-foot stretch of cement and pausing. "Where'd they go. They were right here. They were right here. What the fuck just happened." |
| 06:25.35 | Cairenn | "I still don't think pugs are cute, but I'm beginning to understand their appeal: It's like having a little tan smashed-up Yoda living in your house or apartment, except without the levitation and lightsaber skills." |
| 06:28.06 | Osagasu | True. |
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| 06:29.09 | MentalPower|AFK | Movie was awesome, now to bed, gnight |
| 06:30.04 | Cairenn | night MP |
| 06:30.16 | MentalPower|ZZzz | night Cair |
| 06:30.26 | Xuerian | 'Night mp <.< |
| 06:45.09 | Corr[home] | my god, this computer is so slow |
| 06:45.16 | Corr[home] | i need to turn off a bunch of addons if i'm going to play in AV at all |
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| 06:48.05 | ckknight | hey all |
| 06:48.06 | ckknight | back |
| 06:48.28 | Xuerian | Welcome back. Have fun? =P |
| 06:48.55 | ckknight | went out to eat |
| 06:49.05 | Xuerian | Good food? o.0 |
| 06:49.10 | ckknight | meh |
| 06:49.23 | Xuerian | Better off than when you left, at least? >.> |
| 06:49.48 | ckknight | I'm not a big connoisseur as far as food goes. |
| 06:50.48 | Xuerian | =P. At random, thanks for making FuBar & all. ^_^ |
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| 07:01.09 | ckknight | k |
| 07:01.11 | ckknight | no problem |
| 07:02.57 | Cairenn | "HYPNOBASSET ENGAGING OCULAR DEFENSE SYSTEM" "TARGETING" "TARGET ENGAGED" "HELLO" |
| 07:03.17 | End | waffles? |
| 07:04.52 | Cairenn | yay! he actually has a couple pictures of a Chow ... it's a terrible Chow but at least it's there |
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| 07:12.59 | Kirov | Qzot - update http://www.asgardguild.com/mods/SimpleRaidTargetIcons.0.2.zip |
| 07:15.09 | Qzot|grumpy | Kirov: Fire away. |
| 07:15.29 | Kirov | heh |
| 07:16.08 | Qzot|grumpy | I'm listening. What's your update? |
| 07:16.42 | Kirov | the file |
| 07:16.57 | Kirov | You can either hold down ctrl and release, or click |
| 07:17.04 | Kirov | (click and click I mean) |
| 07:17.16 | Qzot|grumpy | Ah. You should put it up somewhere. |
| 07:17.23 | Kirov | And it displays a portrait of the player you clicked on. |
| 07:20.04 | Qzot|grumpy | I'll try to give it a whirl in the morning. For now, off to bed. |
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| 07:24.36 | Kirov | http://www.asgardguild.com/mods/SimpleRaidTargetIcons.jpg |
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| 08:39.49 | Corr[home] | well, we just won uite an impressive victory in AV |
| 08:41.09 | Corr[home] | they never even took IB or killed galv |
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| 09:54.31 | Warla | hi |
| 09:54.42 | amro | hey |
| 10:04.18 | amro | warla how's your addon coming along? |
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| 10:12.51 | Warla | ya |
| 10:12.53 | Warla | wolrked all night |
| 10:12.57 | Warla | wanna see the progress? :-) |
| 10:13.16 | Warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/mod.gif |
| 10:13.40 | Warla | i now register the events while the scan starts |
| 10:13.49 | Warla | so as soon as the user clicks in scan character |
| 10:13.59 | Warla | it registers the spells changed event |
| 10:14.15 | Warla | after spellbook is scanned it unregisters the event and registers mailbox closed |
| 10:14.15 | Warla | e.t.c |
| 10:14.26 | Warla | so you can step by step scan the stuff needed |
| 10:15.22 | Warla | i also made a cute "i" button for info |
| 10:15.28 | Warla | if you move over that button with the mouse |
| 10:15.34 | Warla | a tooltip comes and telling you what to do |
| 10:16.16 | Warla | right now i'm doing the tooltips |
| 10:16.20 | Warla | since i scanned the spellbook first |
| 10:16.28 | Warla | i now know what professions the guy have |
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| 10:19.01 | Mikma | Warla: gief us betas! |
| 10:19.25 | Mikma | i really really wanna have my char online :D |
| 10:21.38 | Warla | heh |
| 10:21.39 | Warla | soon |
| 10:21.48 | Mikma | not now? please? :D |
| 10:21.53 | Warla | i think today i'll have the professions made on the UI addon |
| 10:21.59 | Warla | its actually in but not on the list yet |
| 10:22.16 | Mikma | Warla: i can betatest it for you! |
| 10:22.20 | Mikma | like, now :D |
| 10:22.37 | Warla | heh in order to betatest a mod it needs to be beta ;-) |
| 10:22.43 | Warla | its not finished yet so hard to beta test |
| 10:22.57 | Warla | but propably the weekend i can release first version |
| 10:23.31 | Mikma | ok, i can pre-beta, or alpha-test it for you, just give me a whisp if you are interested :) |
| 10:23.56 | Mikma | whisp xD i mean privmsg |
| 10:27.44 | Warla | quick question |
| 10:27.54 | Warla | in order to gather the professions someone has |
| 10:27.59 | Warla | i wanna build up an array |
| 10:28.12 | Warla | is it possible to remove array entries once i used em? |
| 10:28.21 | amro | yeah |
| 10:28.32 | amro | table.remove |
| 10:28.43 | Warla | first how do i add entries to an array? |
| 10:28.47 | Warla | is it something like php |
| 10:28.54 | Warla | varname[] = "xxx";? |
| 10:29.08 | amro | eg ar[0] = val |
| 10:29.09 | Warla | where empty brackets means just count up and add |
| 10:29.23 | amro | oh, i dont think so |
| 10:29.44 | amro | there's a limited amount of professions, or are you talking about individual recipes? |
| 10:29.56 | Warla | professions only |
| 10:29.58 | Warla | like |
| 10:30.05 | Warla | prof[1] = "cooking" |
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| 10:30.14 | Warla | prof[2] = "tailoring" |
| 10:30.15 | Warla | e.t.x |
| 10:30.19 | Warla | its like 8 or 9 |
| 10:30.30 | amro | isn't there a max of 5? |
| 10:30.46 | Warla | nah |
| 10:30.46 | amro | 3 secondary 2 primary |
| 10:30.46 | Warla | yea individual |
| 10:30.56 | Warla | so the array wont have more than 5 entries |
| 10:30.57 | Warla | but |
| 10:30.59 | Warla | well |
| 10:31.00 | Warla | 6 |
| 10:31.07 | Warla | poison for rogues counts as one too |
| 10:31.12 | amro | true |
| 10:31.22 | nevcairiel | and lock picking |
| 10:31.22 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 10:31.25 | amro | table.getn gets the size |
| 10:31.32 | amro | i think |
| 10:31.55 | amro | you could just use a variable to keep track... |
| 10:31.57 | Warla | so how would i build up the array |
| 10:31.59 | Warla | ? |
| 10:32.30 | amro | whenever you add a prof add it like so ar[x] = whatever then x = x + 1 |
| 10:32.37 | Warla | k |
| 10:32.47 | Warla | so i keep an index var and count it up |
| 10:32.48 | Warla | ok |
| 10:32.52 | Warla | now lets say i made the array |
| 10:32.55 | Warla | looks like this |
| 10:33.06 | Warla | ar[1] = "Cooking" |
| 10:33.14 | Warla | ar[2] = "First Aid" |
| 10:33.23 | Warla | ar[3] = "Alchemy" |
| 10:33.26 | Warla | thats all he has |
| 10:33.31 | Warla | herbalism has no items = wont scan it |
| 10:33.42 | Warla | now lets say i want him to scan Cooking first |
| 10:33.46 | Warla | or alchemy |
| 10:33.49 | Warla | makes it easier |
| 10:33.55 | Warla | lets say i tell him to scan alchemy |
| 10:33.59 | Warla | after its scanned |
| 10:34.06 | Warla | i want the item removed from the array |
| 10:34.10 | Warla | so the array looks like |
| 10:34.13 | Warla | ar[1] = "Cooking" |
| 10:34.16 | Warla | ar[2] = "First Aid" |
| 10:34.28 | amro | table.remove(3) |
| 10:34.32 | Warla | ann hice |
| 10:34.33 | Warla | nice |
| 10:34.33 | nevcairiel | why remove it ? you could just do a foreach on the arrray and drop the table afterwards |
| 10:34.39 | Warla | that makes it easy |
| 10:34.42 | Warla | so it'll be |
| 10:34.45 | Warla | ar.remove(3) |
| 10:34.51 | Warla | ar = var naqme |
| 10:35.37 | amro | why that last line? |
| 10:35.49 | Warla | ar is the varname |
| 10:35.50 | Warla | i meant |
| 10:35.55 | Warla | so when ar is my array variable |
| 10:35.57 | Warla | i make |
| 10:36.01 | Warla | ar.remove(3) right? |
| 10:36.24 | amro | i think so |
| 10:36.31 | Warla | k i'll just try it :-) |
| 10:38.49 | amro | no thats not it |
| 10:38.54 | amro | its table.remove(ar, 3) |
| 10:39.27 | amro | lua: luatest.lua:4: attempt to call field 'remove' (a nil value) |
| 10:40.27 | amro | also, removing the first or second value would work fine |
| 10:40.32 | amro | the rest will be 'collapsed' |
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| 10:56.12 | Warla | how do i get last item of an array? |
| 10:57.07 | Warla | table.getn(ar= ? |
| 10:57.10 | Warla | table.getn(ar) ? |
| 10:57.34 | amro | should be, 1sec lemme check |
| 10:58.14 | amro | yes |
| 10:58.36 | Warla | cool |
| 10:58.38 | Warla | so |
| 10:58.48 | Warla | tradeskill[table.getn(tradeskill)] is actually the string of the last array item |
| 10:58.58 | amro | yeah |
| 11:01.23 | amro | stupid dns server |
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| 11:02.16 | Maldivia | arghh.. |
| 11:02.44 | amro | what's wrong? |
| 11:03.08 | Maldivia | AceLocale 2.1 is fucking up devtools |
| 11:03.34 | Warla | snap i get errors |
| 11:03.34 | Warla | local profindex = 1; |
| 11:03.42 | Warla | if (spellName == "Cooking") then tradeskills[profindex] = "Cooking"; profindex = profindex + 1; end; |
| 11:03.52 | Warla | whats wrong here? |
| 11:04.06 | Warla | the variable is defined on top as |
| 11:04.06 | Warla | local tradeskills; |
| 11:04.06 | Maldivia | have you initialized tradeskills = {} ? |
| 11:04.10 | Warla | ahh |
| 11:04.17 | Warla | thats the prob |
| 11:04.30 | Maldivia | Warla, and perhaps consider table.insert(tradeskills, spellName) ? |
| 11:04.52 | Maldivia | then you dont have to worry about updating the index variable |
| 11:05.34 | Warla | ahh good idea |
| 11:06.57 | Warla | hmm |
| 11:07.03 | Warla | but tradeskill[table.getn(tradeskill)] seems to be wrong |
| 11:07.59 | amro | warla, i still dont understand why you want to remove them |
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| 11:10.48 | Warla | thats easy |
| 11:10.52 | Warla | i need it removed |
| 11:10.58 | Warla | because it builds up the list dynamically |
| 11:11.09 | Warla | so i ask for a random profession that is in the spellbook to be opened |
| 11:11.22 | Warla | once opened i pass the array into the function that adds a new line |
| 11:11.30 | Warla | and asks for a profession again |
| 11:11.36 | Warla | when the line is removed |
| 11:11.44 | Warla | he wont ask for that again |
| 11:11.51 | Warla | like on the screenshot: |
| 11:12.02 | Warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/mod.gif |
| 11:13.29 | amro | why a random profession? |
| 11:13.37 | amro | why dont you do htem in the order they're in the array |
| 11:13.40 | amro | then you wont have to remove |
| 11:13.48 | amro | and you can just drop the table afterwards |
| 11:13.53 | Warla | hmm |
| 11:13.57 | Warla | that'll work too i guess |
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| 11:53.30 | [floyd] | I need help: GetZoneText() returns the localized text, while GetMapInfo() always returns the english name. Any way to get language neutral zone information? |
| 11:57.43 | Nasthrak | I thought the map info was the map that blizz called it |
| 11:57.51 | Nasthrak | therefore it has to be english |
| 11:59.00 | Kirkburn | I'm guessing by language neutral you want a code number for each zone? |
| 11:59.10 | Elkano | wouldn't 'allways english' be language neutral? |
| 11:59.20 | [floyd] | Kirkburn: Id's would be fine, yes. |
| 11:59.29 | Kirkburn | Not for a frenchman Elkano :P |
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| 11:59.37 | Elkano | well, map blizzards names to ids :P |
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| 11:59.50 | [floyd] | Elkano: If I can get the current zone text translated to english, then it would be an Id just fine :) |
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| 12:06.13 | [floyd] | Weird thing was that I tested in Durotar, and everything was fine, but when I moved to Barrens it simply wouldn't work any more. Turned out that Durotar was the same in english as it is in my localized version... |
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| 12:38.37 | Warla | yay$ |
| 12:38.47 | Warla | i think the mod is almost complete to have it beta tested :-) |
| 12:38.58 | Warla | the professions work wicked |
| 12:39.38 | Mikma | oooh |
| 12:40.36 | Warla | testing it on various chars now |
| 12:40.59 | Mikma | good good :) |
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| 13:07.13 | Cairenn | Warla: when it's ready: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat34.html |
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| 13:22.25 | Warla | heh k :-) |
| 13:23.15 | Warla | Mikma ya there? |
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| 13:34.37 | Warla | hi Wobin |
| 13:34.49 | Wobin | Heya Warla |
| 13:38.58 | Mikma | Warla: yeap |
| 13:39.13 | Mikma | just got home <3 |
| 13:39.36 | Warla | k sec |
| 13:40.50 | thr | is it no possible to put frames in tables? |
| 13:40.59 | thr | table.key = CreateFrame(...); ? |
| 13:41.17 | Warla | Mikma seen my PM? |
| 13:41.27 | Mikma | yeap |
| 13:41.56 | thr | btw can anyone recommend a good / free LUA editor? |
| 13:42.07 | Wobin | gvim =) |
| 13:42.13 | thr | ;< |
| 13:42.28 | thr | no thanks, vim in console is nice n all but on a win32 machine atm |
| 13:42.32 | Wobin | thr: and yes it's possible |
| 13:42.35 | Wobin | feh |
| 13:42.40 | Wobin | I use gvim on a win32 machine |
| 13:42.42 | thr | hmm, why doesn't it work then QQ ;> |
| 13:42.55 | Wobin | All you're doing is storing the reference in the table.key |
| 13:43.02 | zenzelezz | it's not a "lua editor" as such, but ConTEXT has lua highlighting and it's free |
| 13:43.04 | thr | ye i know, but it wont show up for some reason. |
| 13:43.13 | Wobin | pastey the code? |
| 13:43.14 | thr | i can show you the code if you want. |
| 13:43.16 | zenzelezz | like a million free Windows editors with highlighting and similar though |
| 13:43.26 | Wobin | Editplus is good |
| 13:43.28 | Wobin | otherwise |
| 13:44.39 | thr | http://pastey.net/834 |
| 13:44.41 | thr | there it is. |
| 13:45.26 | thr | bahi spelled the "return fame", wrong, should be "return frame" |
| 13:45.27 | thr | duh ;< |
| 13:45.56 | nevcairiel | haha |
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| 13:49.05 | thr | <3 doing hard to read code, like three nested loops that to mathematical operations on the contents and use the variablas i j and 1 ;< |
| 13:49.13 | thr | i, j and l even. |
| 13:49.50 | Mery | better than i I l ;) |
| 13:49.59 | Wobin | damn you rowne, damn you =P |
| 13:50.17 | thr | Mery ye, true ;p |
| 13:50.54 | thr | seriously tho, i've seen stuff like that in production code, etc. it's a nightmare to try to figre it out. |
| 13:51.07 | thr | Thank god for separate coloring of different variables in some edtirs for that ;P |
| 13:51.43 | thr | but for good measure you can put in ii II and ij ji also ;p |
| 13:52.12 | thr | or things like: iiI, IiI, IIi, iii, III.. ah well ;P back to "work" ;> |
| 13:52.53 | Mery | lII llI lll III IlI |
| 13:53.00 | nevcairiel | lua plugin for VS2005 .. nice |
| 13:53.15 | [floyd] | thr: I'm using wowuides right now -- still "work in progress" but fairly nice so far, even if I say so myself ;) |
| 13:54.17 | thr | Mery haha that hurts ;P |
| 13:54.31 | thr | [floyd] thnx for the tip i'll check it out |
| 13:54.36 | Wobin | omg I <3 AskANinja |
| 13:55.43 | thr | Hmm, a real wow-ui question now, is there any way i can lock a frame to another one so it automaticly follows it if the frame it's locked to move? I know childframes do that yes, but can it be done from within LUA code with CreateFrame()-created frames? |
| 13:55.48 | [floyd] | wowuides is still a memory hog, and editing becomes sluggish at times - but it comes with integrated wowwiki help and graphical editors for a lot of stuff. |
| 13:56.02 | Wobin | SetParent |
| 13:56.09 | thr | and it will automaticly follow it? |
| 13:56.14 | Wobin | Then SetPoint relative |
| 13:56.22 | thr | ok, thanks. |
| 13:56.39 | Wobin | actually just the setpoint will do |
| 13:56.46 | Wobin | but the setparent will make them hide at the same time etc |
| 13:57.05 | thr | ok, but setpoint will do? good i'll try it then thnx |
| 14:11.25 | thr | Wobin: Ok igot it to worth with SetPoint, so i attach frame B and C to A - but - aslong as I drag A B and C follow, but if I move B or C they wont follow A anymore - not even if i "reattach" them? |
| 14:11.59 | thr | And well, nothing happens when i re-SetPoint() them. |
| 14:12.26 | Wobin | That's cause when you stop dragging it, it likely resets the point to UIParent |
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| 14:13.44 | thr | ye ok, i can follow that but even if i use SetPoint() to attach them again, they still wont follow |
| 14:14.42 | Wobin | What code are you using? |
| 14:14.52 | Wobin | is it in the pastey? |
| 14:15.06 | thr | i can show you |
| 14:15.07 | thr | two seconds |
| 14:16.00 | thr | here's the code I use to SetPoint them: http://pastey.net/835 |
| 14:16.41 | thr | i got several small frames with names of healers in them which i wanna attach to a "title" such as "Priests:", the title is what's called Target Frame in that code. |
| 14:16.59 | Wobin | ah |
| 14:17.00 | thr | each small frame only contains one name and is dragable. |
| 14:17.05 | Wobin | you need to 'ClearAllPoints' first |
| 14:17.09 | Wobin | before you setpoint at any time |
| 14:17.42 | thr | ok, so the frame that is going to be attached i do FRAME:ClearAllPoints(); on? |
| 14:18.22 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 14:18.27 | thr | thanks that worked wonders :) |
| 14:18.50 | thr | now i gotta do some collition detection so i can auto-snap names and i'm done |
| 14:18.52 | thr | <3 thanks so much |
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| 14:22.46 | Wobin | have a look at StickyFrames |
| 14:22.49 | Wobin | on wowi |
| 14:22.54 | Wobin | to save you the trouble =) |
| 14:23.06 | thr | is that a library? |
| 14:23.41 | Wobin | I think it is now =) |
| 14:24.06 | thr | hehe well i wanna write my own, mostly just to learn how to do it ;p |
| 14:24.35 | thr | but thanks for the heads up |
| 14:24.40 | Wobin | You registered under that nick as well, Warla? |
| 14:24.47 | thr | i'll look into it and see if i can pcik anything usefull up |
| 14:24.47 | Warla|school | nope |
| 14:24.53 | Warla|school | need to wait till the other one drops |
| 14:24.58 | Wobin | use ghost |
| 14:25.00 | Warla|school | or is there a command to kick Warla? |
| 14:25.09 | Wobin | /ghost <nick> <pw? |
| 14:25.29 | Warla|school | sais ghost unknown command |
| 14:26.14 | thr | Wobin ah that's a bit more advanced that what i'm after tho ;P |
| 14:26.44 | thr | i just need to se if two frames collide and then render the them below eachother. |
| 14:27.01 | thr | but very informative code non the less, thansk you. |
| 14:27.04 | Wobin | it works fine for me =\ |
| 14:27.25 | Wobin | [2006/09/17 00:25:15-136]: wowprofiles\wowprofiles.lua:454: Usage: SetHyperlink(link) |
| 14:27.25 | Wobin | <in C code>: in function `SetHyperlink' |
| 14:27.26 | Wobin | wowprofiles\wowprofiles.lua:454: in function `wowprofiles_GetQuests' |
| 14:27.26 | Wobin | wowprofiles\wowprofiles.lua:1062: in function `wowprofiles_ChatCommand' |
| 14:27.26 | Wobin | <string>:"wowprofilesWin_Statuswin_Scan:OnClick":2: in main chunk |
| 14:27.31 | Wobin | (sorry for spam) =) |
| 14:27.59 | Warla|school | hmm |
| 14:28.08 | Warla|school | i wonder when my nick drops... |
| 14:28.44 | zenzelezz | Warla: /msg nickserv ghost nick password |
| 14:28.45 | zenzelezz | I think |
| 14:29.06 | Wobin | k, uploaded |
| 14:39.44 | thr | "invalid key for `next`" what does that mean? some problem with a loop i guess but exactly what? |
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| 14:41.42 | Wobin | what's the code snippet? |
| 14:42.24 | thr | let me show you |
| 14:42.50 | thr | http://pastey.net/837 there |
| 14:43.07 | thr | that's the function i run to loop thru all the frames to see if some collide. |
| 14:43.14 | thr | and i know i spelled it wrong, forget that for now ;P |
| 14:43.49 | thr | the HealingList.dp()-function jus just for debugging(dp = debug print); |
| 14:45.16 | thr | Hmm, check this code instead: http://pastey.net/838 i think the problem is in the RemoveHealerFromTarget() function. |
| 14:45.18 | Wobin | that terminology is depreciated, really. You'll be better served using for i,v in ipairs|pairs(table) |
| 14:46.22 | Wobin | and I'm not sure how line 19 onwards works |
| 14:46.31 | thr | look at this instead, i pasted wrong: / |
| 14:46.33 | thr | http://pastey.net/839 |
| 14:47.18 | Wobin | and the error is tagging on which line? |
| 14:47.46 | Wobin | oh I know |
| 14:47.46 | thr | doesnt say |
| 14:48.00 | Wobin | You're editing the contents of the loop while in the loop |
| 14:48.08 | thr | ah |
| 14:48.09 | Wobin | so it falls over when it hits the recently nil'd value |
| 14:48.23 | thr | hmm, ok guess i'll have to do two loops then |
| 14:48.45 | Wobin | easy way is to dump the tobedeleted ones in a temp table then cycle through that afterwards |
| 14:48.52 | Wobin | in a local table =) |
| 14:48.59 | Wobin | cause local is of the good =) |
| 14:49.02 | thr | ye |
| 14:49.10 | thr | just what is started doing |
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| 14:53.20 | thr | ok that works, duh now they all snap to the same frame constantly |
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| 15:30.34 | thr | in the "SavedVariablesPerCharacter " can you save table values? |
| 15:30.49 | JoshBorke | yes |
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| 15:43.52 | Kirkburn | Why, why does anyone think we need this ... http://www.wowcrafting.com/ |
| 15:44.14 | Kirkburn | Is thottbot, allakhazam, wowd, wowhead not enough? |
| 15:44.23 | nevcairiel | yet another database, hooray |
| 15:45.12 | Kirkburn | Makes me wonder what happened to those new Interface sites that appeared |
| 15:45.52 | zenzelezz | same as what happens with all the raid guilds that pop up every week touting "we will start MC/BWL/ZG real soon!" |
| 15:46.31 | thr | ^^ |
| 15:46.47 | thr | for some reason 14yr olds dont make good gm/webmasters you know ;P |
| 15:47.07 | zenzelezz | odd, isn't it? =) |
| 15:47.23 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:57.27 | thr | To save frames positions you have to use some SavedVariables right? |
| 15:57.33 | thr | It's not done automaticly that is? |
| 15:59.25 | [floyd] | If you need to persist information you will have to specify those in your SaveVariables[PerCharacter]. |
| 15:59.47 | thr | ye i know about that but i thougth that maybe frame positions would be saved but no |
| 16:00.14 | [floyd] | Just mean to stress that there's no exception to the rule. |
| 16:00.57 | thr | ah ok, ye :) |
| 16:01.05 | thr | what's the best way to save a frames position? |
| 16:01.16 | [floyd] | By saving it ;) |
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| 16:01.17 | JoshBorke | don't define their position in the XML |
| 16:01.33 | thr | well i mean you save the top, right or? |
| 16:01.50 | zenzelezz | entirely up to you |
| 16:02.24 | thr | hmm ok i'll have to look into the get point things then |
| 16:02.26 | thr | :) |
| 16:03.28 | [floyd] | Sounds like you're doing something more complex than it need be. Just create a table for your framepositions, add that to the SaveVariables, and use it from inside your Lua scripts. |
| 16:03.37 | thr | ye doing that now |
| 16:04.27 | thr | I'll use GetPoint("TOP"); to save the top position and then load the saved data and position them according that, ye? |
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| 16:23.35 | Wobin | thr: Note that if the frame has never been setpointed, it will not have a valid gettop etc |
| 16:34.26 | thr | ofc. but all my frames will so np :) |
| 16:35.33 | Legorol | you can't use GetPoint("TOP") if the frame doesn't have a TOP anchor |
| 16:35.51 | Legorol | actually GetPoint doesn't even take string as argument |
| 16:36.16 | Legorol | GetPoint takes an integer index |
| 16:36.36 | thr | ok, what is the integer index i should use then? |
| 16:36.37 | Legorol | if the frame has 2 anchors defined, then GetPoint is called with 1 or 2 |
| 16:36.42 | thr | ah ok |
| 16:36.46 | Legorol | there is no specific index for TOP or anything like that |
| 16:36.49 | thr | so GetPoint(1); and it will only have one anchor |
| 16:36.52 | Legorol | GetPoint is for enumerating the existing anchors |
| 16:36.57 | Legorol | no |
| 16:37.11 | Legorol | region:GetNumPoints() tells you how many anchors are specified |
| 16:37.14 | Legorol | and then |
| 16:37.33 | Legorol | for i=1,numpoints do point,relativeTo,relativePoint,xOfs,yOfs = Region:GetPoint(i) ... end |
| 16:37.41 | Legorol | that iterates through the anchors that are specified |
| 16:37.49 | Cide | depending on what you want, :GetTop might be of interest |
| 16:37.54 | Legorol | yup |
| 16:38.03 | Legorol | i was just explaining what GetPoint is for |
| 16:38.03 | Cide | other than that, refer to Legorol's explanation :) |
| 16:38.07 | Cide | yeah |
| 16:38.14 | thr | i want to save the top anchor position for my frame so i can save it and load it |
| 16:38.20 | thr | maybe gettop is i what i want then? ;p |
| 16:38.27 | Legorol | there is no such thing as "top anchor position" |
| 16:38.35 | Legorol | unless you have specifically done a SetPoint("TOP"... etc. ) |
| 16:38.44 | Legorol | i think you want GetTop, as Cide said |
| 16:38.54 | thr | well, i want to save the position for my frame. |
| 16:39.05 | Legorol | then indeed you need GetLeft and GetTop |
| 16:39.18 | thr | right now i got GetPoint(1); save that, and then do SetPoint() on the frame with that information and it worsk |
| 16:39.18 | Legorol | (or GetRight and GetBottom, either of the two pairs is enough) |
| 16:39.21 | thr | is it wrong? ;< |
| 16:39.32 | Cide | both methods should work |
| 16:39.34 | Legorol | that may not be enough |
| 16:39.39 | Legorol | no, Cide, that's insufficient |
| 16:39.41 | thr | Legorol, well it works ;< |
| 16:39.46 | Cide | well, you want all anchors you have defined |
| 16:39.49 | Legorol | if the first anchor is a TOP anchor, then the horiziontal position is undefined |
| 16:40.08 | Legorol | GetPoint(1) is not guaranteed to return a corner anchor like TOPLEFT or BOTTOMRIGHT |
| 16:40.17 | thr | Legorol, well it does indeed work for me now ;< |
| 16:40.28 | Cide | Legorol: horizontal position will be in the center if nothing else is specified |
| 16:40.29 | Legorol | but i am saying that it can break under certain circumstances |
| 16:40.43 | Legorol | Cide: i didn't know that, but i think relying on that is a bit unsafe still |
| 16:40.56 | Cide | it can be, yep |
| 16:41.15 | Legorol | there is another thing |
| 16:41.16 | thr | well Legorol, it get the X offset, Y offset, the anchor name for my frame + the frame it's attached to... i can't see where it'd need anymore? |
| 16:41.21 | Legorol | GetPoint() returns anchor definitions |
| 16:41.25 | Cide | if you store ALL anchors you have defined (see Legorol's loop), and then :SetPoint them one at a time, you should be safe |
| 16:41.44 | Legorol | if the frame has been moved around (e.g. dragged), it might still return anchors, and not the frame's position |
| 16:41.49 | Legorol | just use GetTop and GetLeft |
| 16:41.54 | Legorol | that's guaranteed to work |
| 16:41.58 | thr | well, this does work,< |
| 16:42.20 | Legorol | i'm afraid i have to go to BWL so i don't have time to argue this through :( |
| 16:42.28 | Cide | Legorol: heh, I tested that actually.. it's reanchored to UIParent when dragged :) |
| 16:42.30 | Legorol | but unfortunately your method is liable to break for several reasons |
| 16:42.39 | Legorol | Cide: ok yet another behaviour i didn't know about |
| 16:42.51 | thr | Legorol: i only anchor those frames to the UI parent |
| 16:42.52 | Cide | I had no idea until I actually tested it |
| 16:42.52 | Legorol | so that's at least two implicit behaviours that you are relying on, and so it working is just luck and not design |
| 16:42.52 | thr | that's the thing. |
| 16:43.18 | Legorol | if you do the anchoring yourself, why do you need to do GetPoint in the first place? |
| 16:43.21 | Legorol | then you know where the frame is.. |
| 16:43.23 | Legorol | since you put it there |
| 16:43.25 | Cide | thr: GetTop and GetLeft are likely more reliable, like Legorol says |
| 16:43.45 | Cide | alternatively :SetUserPlaced(true), heh |
| 16:43.47 | Legorol | If you are using anchors to set frame position, you should already know its position and there should be no need for GetPoint |
| 16:44.01 | thr | legorol well the frame is dragable, i wanna save the position of the frame in savedvariables so i do GetPoint() and use that information with SetPoint() to restore it when wow is loaded. |
| 16:44.14 | thr | and the frame is only ever anchored to the UIParent. |
| 16:44.14 | Cide | thr: do you need the position? |
| 16:44.22 | Cide | otherwise you can let the game store it for you |
| 16:44.25 | Legorol | then this statement is false (after a fassion): |
| 16:44.27 | Legorol | <thr> Legorol: i only anchor those frames to the UI parent |
| 16:44.35 | Legorol | if they are draggable, you are not anchoring them |
| 16:44.47 | thr | ah right, sorry ;< i'm still a bit new in this ;p |
| 16:44.50 | Legorol | as Cide said, you got lucky because of the re-anchoring to UIParent |
| 16:45.03 | Legorol | sorry i really have to go now :( |
| 16:45.10 | Legorol | good luck with it, Cide can help you more ;-) |
| 16:45.10 | Cide | Legorol: have fun |
| 16:45.16 | thr | Cide, so if i do GetTop() GetLeft() how do i position those? |
| 16:45.17 | Cide | did you get razorgore? :) |
| 16:45.35 | thr | do i position the frame with those, i assume it's the left/top offset ofc. |
| 16:45.38 | Cide | thr: call GetTop and GetLeft and divide by :GetEffectiveScale(), I believe |
| 16:45.54 | thr | and then to setpoint on top and left? |
| 16:46.20 | Cide | and position to :SetPoint("TOPLEFT", UIParent, "TOPLEFT", left, top-UIParent:GetTop()) |
| 16:46.26 | Cide | I believe it is |
| 16:46.48 | thr | what is the top-UIParent:GetTop() ? |
| 16:46.48 | Cide | (if you want to stick to "TOPLEFT", otherwise "BOTTOMLEFT" is likely easier to use) |
| 16:46.51 | thr | ah, soz. |
| 16:47.11 | Cide | :SetPoint("TOPLEFT", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT", left, top) might be easier :) |
| 16:47.19 | thr | but.. thing is that that is exactly what's happening now ;< |
| 16:47.29 | thr | but meh i'll do it this way if it's safer then :) |
| 16:47.39 | Cide | well, for me, :GetPoint has worked fine |
| 16:47.50 | Cide | but with :GetLeft and :GetRight you store less data, which is nice |
| 16:48.13 | Cide | (unless you only grab the last two arguments passed from :GetPoint, but that's not very secure) |
| 16:51.40 | thr | ah get top/left worked pefect |
| 16:51.50 | Cide | good :) |
| 16:52.18 | thr | i've never been much of UI programmer ;( |
| 16:52.30 | thr | prefer database stuff, etc. ;p |
| 16:52.40 | thr | and logic without any frontend ;P |
| 16:54.47 | zenzelezz | UIs suck |
| 16:54.53 | zenzelezz | they're always a pain to code |
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| 16:56.43 | thr | Is there any event that ONLY fires the one time the player joins a raid? ;> |
| 16:56.52 | Cide | thr: don't think so |
| 16:56.57 | Cide | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE is fired |
| 16:57.15 | Cide | inRaid = (GetNumRaidMembers() > 0) |
| 16:57.20 | thr | ye i know that |
| 16:59.35 | Mery | the system msg (ok not fires only for joining - but only when joining it says "You have joined a raid group.") |
| 16:59.49 | JoshBorke | Cide: how do you detect when you leave a raid? |
| 17:00.11 | Cide | JoshBorke: if ( prevMemberCount > 0 and currentMemberCount == 0 ) then ... |
| 17:00.47 | Cide | then ... end, that is |
| 17:01.18 | Cide | ctra2 also fires a custom event that addons can register to if they would want |
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| 17:02.18 | JoshBorke | hrm, so RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE fires when you leave a group too? hrmph, that means i have work to do :-( |
| 17:02.25 | Cide | yep |
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| 17:06.30 | Kaso | Is anyone else seeing the "INVALID" flight path, horde side, near Blackrock Mountain |
| 17:07.40 | Cide | I believe that's an addon |
| 17:07.53 | Cide | someone mentioned atlas does it but I have no idea really |
| 17:08.07 | JoshBorke | i've seen it but i don't run atlas |
| 17:08.13 | Kaso | Hmm, im not sure which addons i'd have that'd do that. |
| 17:08.22 | JoshBorke | perhaps metamap |
| 17:08.41 | thr | JoshBorke i use RAID_ROOSTER_UPDATE + GetNumRaidNUmbers() == 0 to check if you just left a raid |
| 17:15.36 | clad|work | It happens with the default UI, i've seen it on my testing setup |
| 17:15.45 | clad|work | the invalid flight paths i mean |
| 17:16.24 | Kaso | intersting |
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| 17:37.22 | thr | Gusy you know the [X] button that wow uses to close windows? where is the XML template for that one? can't find it =/ |
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| 17:48.03 | Warla | phew |
| 17:48.09 | Warla | i ran into a problem lol |
| 17:48.19 | Warla | php error: cannot allocate more than 10 megs of ram ^^ |
| 17:48.36 | Warla | if i uploaded more than 3-4 chars it filled the ram hehe |
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| 18:05.14 | Industrial | ~wdn |
| 18:07.05 | thr | Warla just change the memory limit? |
| 18:07.05 | thr | ;< |
| 18:07.10 | MentalPower | wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 18:07.20 | MentalPower | ~botslap |
| 18:07.21 | purl | ACTION cowers away from mentalpower |
| 18:07.22 | Industrial | yeah I got it |
| 18:07.31 | Industrial | I lovve the new theme :o |
| 18:07.41 | Industrial | grey ftw |
| 18:08.10 | thr | ~botslap |
| 18:08.11 | purl | ACTION whimpers |
| 18:08.11 | thr | ;( |
| 18:08.16 | thr | haha ;P |
| 18:09.54 | MentalPower | purl, wdn is World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 18:09.56 | purl | okay, MentalPower |
| 18:10.01 | MentalPower | ~wdn |
| 18:10.02 | purl | somebody said wdn was World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 18:10.55 | MentalPower | purl no, wdn is <reply>World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 18:10.57 | purl | okay, MentalPower |
| 18:11.00 | MentalPower | ~wdn |
| 18:11.02 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 18:11.08 | MentalPower | there, perfect |
| 18:12.51 | Kirkburn | MentalPower, you can do that in whispers btw :P |
| 18:13.08 | MentalPower | yeah, I know |
| 18:13.12 | MentalPower | was lazy |
| 18:13.15 | Kirkburn | spammer =) |
| 18:13.16 | MentalPower | and the channel was quiet |
| 18:13.32 | Warla | Thr |
| 18:13.38 | Warla | changing memorylimit would suck |
| 18:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Not anymore it isn't |
| 18:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | LOUD |
| 18:13.40 | Warla | heheh |
| 18:13.47 | Warla | that memory limit is there for a reason |
| 18:13.51 | Warla | i fixed it now |
| 18:14.04 | Warla | so the script frees ram after each char you uploaded |
| 18:16.26 | Industrial | I want to get rid of chat frame backgrounds. I dislike them and want my own |
| 18:16.39 | Industrial | I was suggested to do CHAT_FRAME_TEXTURES={} |
| 18:16.44 | Industrial | This leaves me with http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1667/wowscrnshot091606195953cq7.jpg |
| 18:17.02 | Industrial | (I also set the backdrop to 'Interface\\Tooltips\\UI-Tooltip-Background' at 0,0,0,0.4) |
| 18:17.13 | Industrial | how do I get rid of it? I checked all the lua and XML :( |
| 18:17.19 | Industrial | well |
| 18:17.23 | Industrial | ChatFrame.lua/xml |
| 18:17.29 | MentalPower | why don't you just make them transparent? |
| 18:17.48 | Industrial | Because I want my own background |
| 18:17.54 | Industrial | and not see them when I mouse over them |
| 18:18.00 | Industrial | the original ones, that is |
| 18:18.35 | MoonWolf | indi, lvl 25 |
| 18:18.39 | MoonWolf | that has to be a record. |
| 18:19.15 | Industrial | yeah |
| 18:19.15 | Industrial | :p |
| 18:21.14 | Industrial | ah found it |
| 18:22.39 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.53 | Industrial | woops thats wrong |
| 18:22.56 | Industrial | something like that |
| 18:23.01 | MentalPower | yeah |
| 18:23.28 | Industrial | im making a big (2kb atm :P) mod for myself with all tweaks :) |
| 18:24.14 | thr | for i, healerName in HealingListData.targets[targetName] do is deprectade right? what's the new syntax? ;> |
| 18:24.24 | Cide | in pairs(...) do |
| 18:24.39 | thr | for key,value in pairs(table) do ? |
| 18:24.41 | Cide | yes |
| 18:24.42 | thr | any reason for the change? ;< |
| 18:24.50 | Cide | the previous syntax is deprecated :) |
| 18:24.56 | thr | ok |
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| 18:25.16 | MentalPower | and it also does not work in Lua 5.1 |
| 18:25.30 | Cide | there is also ipairs which only iterates through integer indices |
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| 18:33.12 | clad|work | Kirkburn: I really like this design. |
| 18:33.13 | clad|work | A lot. |
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| 18:33.52 | Industrial | http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7484/wowscrnshot091606203216fq4.jpg |
| 18:33.53 | Industrial | tudah |
| 18:34.12 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, ? |
| 18:34.16 | Industrial | no fuzzy tooltip edges \o/ |
| 18:34.29 | Industrial | or whatever the chatframe background used to be |
| 18:34.33 | Industrial | :-) |
| 18:35.06 | Kirkburn | heh, you even said "tadah!" in the screenshot |
| 18:35.34 | Industrial | ;) |
| 18:36.02 | Industrial | still not happy with fubar |
| 18:36.10 | Kirkburn | Industrial, what's the XP bar from? |
| 18:36.10 | Industrial | and my minimap |
| 18:36.19 | Industrial | thats FuBar_FuXPFu |
| 18:36.40 | Kirkburn | It is? I didn't even realise that's what it did |
| 18:36.54 | Industrial | It was made by wobin after some 'dream mockup' by some dude that could use hptoshop :P |
| 18:37.05 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:37.06 | Industrial | photoshop* |
| 18:37.16 | Kirkburn | He can use photoshop whilst asleep? ;) |
| 18:37.25 | Industrial | haha |
| 18:37.47 | Industrial | well im deleting it now, btw look at my ram usage |
| 18:37.49 | Industrial | *flex* |
| 18:37.57 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: Your webpage |
| 18:38.04 | cladhaire | I've had it up for a while, and keep looking at it =) |
| 18:38.07 | cladhaire | i'm not sick of it yet. |
| 18:38.16 | Industrial | 10.8MB huh! :P |
| 18:38.33 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, :) |
| 18:38.44 | Kirkburn | I can't actually get to it at the moment, though |
| 18:38.54 | Kirkburn | I can't even open an ftp connection to it |
| 18:39.28 | Industrial | oo all web-2.0 style |
| 18:39.31 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:40.02 | Kirkburn | I'm really happy with the table - made that today |
| 18:40.36 | cladhaire | i liked the table |
| 18:41.00 | cladhaire | its just ... slick |
| 18:41.03 | cladhaire | now make it a drupal theme |
| 18:41.06 | cladhaire | you could sell it. |
| 18:41.10 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:42.04 | Kirkburn | Can you refresh the site? I can't do so atm :/ |
| 18:42.54 | Cairenn | linkage? |
| 18:43.06 | Kirkburn | http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 18:43.32 | Cairenn | that is looking really good |
| 18:43.58 | Nightdew | does anyone have any problems with anchors in mobileframes? |
| 18:44.12 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, thanks =) |
| 18:44.24 | Wobin | Aye Kirkburn, very shiny =) |
| 18:44.35 | cladhaire | no really.. make it a drupal theme. |
| 18:44.42 | cladhaire | it just has lots of good design decisions. |
| 18:45.19 | Kirkburn | I'm looking up drupal now ... |
| 18:45.46 | Gryphen | Nightdew nope |
| 18:45.57 | Kirkburn | (I've never heard of it before!) |
| 18:46.54 | Gryphen | boo to boxed cms |
| 18:47.19 | Thrae | One more day before my new PocketPC phone is activated. One more day. |
| 18:48.21 | Kirkburn | I think I'm gonna reset my connection to see if that helps me get onto my own website (*sigh*), brb |
| 18:48.32 | Kirov | I didn't know you could do button:Click() to make it do it's OnClick! |
| 18:49.51 | Cide | yup :) |
| 18:50.32 | Kirov | Does "this" become the button, or is it still the original frame? |
| 18:50.50 | Nightdew | button? |
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| 18:50.57 | Cide | pretty sure "this" is re-set, but I'm not positive |
| 18:51.03 | Nightdew | button:Click == button.Click(self right? |
| 18:51.11 | Kirkburn1 | Well that worked, fortunately |
| 18:51.20 | Cide | button:Click() == button.Click(button) |
| 18:51.30 | Nightdew | thats what i meant lol |
| 18:51.43 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: How big is the style? |
| 18:51.57 | Kirkburn1 | The CSS? 9kb |
| 18:52.05 | cladhaire | hehe thats not that bad =) |
| 18:52.24 | Kirkburn1 | It's down a lot from this morning :P |
| 18:54.38 | cladhaire | i may wnat to steal it in the future =) |
| 18:54.42 | cladhaire | add me to your mailing list. |
| 18:56.42 | Kirkburn | I'll, er, have to make one first :P |
| 18:57.41 | Kirkburn | When it's finally done I'll be happy to send you a zip. It's still very much a 'learning about coding' site atm :) |
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| 19:31.10 | thr | hmm is it possible to "destroy" a frame? |
| 19:31.14 | Industrial | no |
| 19:31.22 | thr | ok well guess Hide() will have to do |
| 19:31.27 | Industrial | yea |
| 19:31.33 | Industrial | try recycling frames |
| 19:33.20 | Kirov | There's no way to rename a frame, correct? |
| 19:34.12 | Cide | I don't think you can alter the :GetName() output, no |
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| 19:41.15 | Maldivia | frame.GetName = function() return "hello World" end |
| 19:41.15 | Maldivia | ? |
| 19:43.21 | Kirov | More refering to the fact that a frame's internal name never changes |
| 19:43.33 | Maldivia | yeah, ok :) |
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| 20:02.12 | sublemon | hey guys, can I call io.read from a WoW lua? |
| 20:02.19 | cladhaire | nope |
| 20:02.24 | sublemon | suck :( |
| 20:02.31 | Nightdew | lol |
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| 20:02.33 | Nightdew | thank god |
| 20:02.39 | Nightdew | is what you mean |
| 20:03.00 | ckknight | the io functions could be usable, but also exploitable |
| 20:03.06 | ckknight | s/usable/useful/ |
| 20:03.29 | sublemon | I agree. Not sure how to pass outside strings from one application to another |
| 20:04.10 | ckknight | sublemon, you don't? |
| 20:04.24 | sublemon | nah, not that good with LUA |
| 20:04.29 | sublemon | kind of poking around |
| 20:04.30 | amro | that's kinda the whole point in disabling them |
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| 20:05.32 | sublemon | Is there a way to do so with out the io functions? |
| 20:06.01 | sublemon | Onlything I can think of is having the outside application write the XML file that displays the info I want |
| 20:06.05 | ckknight | you could save your saved variables. |
| 20:06.28 | Mery | you cannot get data out / in without a reload ui or a user copying it to clipboard manually |
| 20:07.48 | sublemon | Ah, shoots down my idea of an iTunes controller |
| 20:08.07 | Mery | buy a mac :P |
| 20:08.10 | sublemon | heh |
| 20:08.54 | sublemon | I take it that if I put X- data in the TOC file it has to be reloaded as well? |
| 20:09.04 | MentalPower | yup |
| 20:09.20 | MentalPower | actually I think that data requires a game restart |
| 20:09.23 | zenzelezz | 2*Wrath shoulders + Shield from Chromaggus... nice :-o |
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| 20:09.42 | [1]Sky | Sublemon, there has to be some way it's done. There's a addon that controls Foobar or winamp on curse, I think |
| 20:09.55 | sublemon | Sky, doesn't work anymore |
| 20:10.02 | Xuerian | Ahh |
| 20:10.10 | sublemon | I decided to resurrect the project on my own from scratch |
| 20:10.33 | Mery | well i guess you'll have to wait for blizzard to implement it, just like they did for the mac version |
| 20:10.34 | Xuerian | Well, you could always learn assembly and dig through wow.exe, then get blizzard on your ass, but.... Well... |
| 20:10.54 | sublemon | Xuerian, heh |
| 20:11.13 | sublemon | Mery, yeah I'm sure they will in a couple of patches |
| 20:11.35 | amro | or you could use KDE and use global shortcuts |
| 20:12.08 | MentalPower | winamp also has global shortcuts |
| 20:12.42 | amro | winamp also sucks IMO. |
| 20:12.44 | Xuerian | So does Fubar, and you can even popup FuPilot over WoW, though if you use a ATI card and have AA on that can mean .2fps while it's open.. |
| 20:12.53 | Xuerian | s/Fubar /Foobar |
| 20:13.25 | amro | you need a trailing / |
| 20:13.47 | Xuerian | Yeah, I'm figuring that out after a few 'It didn't work again, damnit <.<'s. |
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| 20:16.27 | Kaelten | work sucks :p |
| 20:16.35 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 20:18.07 | Kirkburn | But it's saturday \o/ |
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| 20:18.29 | Amro- | saturday is the first day of the week here |
| 20:18.39 | Kirkburn | eep |
| 20:20.56 | Kaelten | Kirkburn: I work 6-7 days a week |
| 20:21.18 | Kirkburn | What as, if I may ask? |
| 20:23.24 | Nightdew | is it easy to detect who you receive damage from? |
| 20:23.56 | Thrae | Nightdew: I suggest looking at ParserLib on wowinterface, that's your best bet unless you want to do your own global string parsing (a NIGHTMARE) |
| 20:24.18 | Thrae | Oh, and is "arg1" and "elapsed" both Blizzard-defined globals for OnUpdate scripts? |
| 20:24.29 | Esamynn | arg1 is |
| 20:24.43 | Esamynn | elapsed is the function argument, arg1 is passed in in the XML |
| 20:24.59 | Esamynn | at least that is how it is generally done in Blizz code |
| 20:25.44 | Amro | wtf |
| 20:25.58 | Amro | has anyone ever seena file go to 0b size on ntfs? |
| 20:26.51 | Amro | damned windows |
| 20:26.57 | Amro | there goes 700mb down the drain |
| 20:27.06 | Esamynn | what file? |
| 20:27.09 | Amro | iso |
| 20:27.16 | Amro | it was also mounted |
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| 20:32.23 | Xuerian | have to just tried rebooting yet? |
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| 20:39.53 | Xuerian | Is it possible, while the loot window is open, to loot a specified slot with something other than a direct click on the button descended from LootButtonTemplate? |
| 20:40.00 | Esamynn | no |
| 20:40.10 | FlisherAFK | Boya |
| 20:40.29 | Esamynn | actually, you just need a click on a LootButton type widget |
| 20:40.36 | Esamynn | it's actually a widget type |
| 20:41.29 | Xuerian | Well, yeah. I'm trying to make a LootAll button is what's going on, I know it's redundant, but it's nice to be able to just click once more when you're sure you want to loot it all |
| 20:41.37 | Thrae | Does anyone know if status == "active" can be accurately checked after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD if you're zoning into a Battleground? |
| 20:41.47 | Esamynn | Xuerian: can't be done |
| 20:41.57 | Esamynn | not with a single clikc anyways |
| 20:42.07 | Xuerian | Heh, yeah, figured. Thanks Esamynn =) |
| 20:58.57 | Amro`away | Xuerian: i saw that on linux, blamed it on ntfs-fuse, rebooted to windows and it was the same |
| 20:59.03 | Amro`away | woop |
| 20:59.12 | Amro`away | s/woop/woops/ |
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| 21:19.34 | zenzelezz | poor lilo |
| 21:20.44 | Kirkburn | I'm speechless |
| 21:20.58 | Kaelten | its very sad |
| 21:21.02 | Amro | :( |
| 21:21.09 | cladhaire | oh .. wow. |
| 21:21.36 | Cairenn | ? |
| 21:21.46 | Kaelten | for those who didn't get it: |
| 21:21.46 | Kaelten | [16:18] Private: -christel- [Global Notice] On the 12th September Rob Levin, known to many as Freenode's lilo, was hit by a car while riding his bike. He suffered head injuries and passed away in hospital on the 16th. For more information please visit #freenode-announce |
| 21:21.51 | Kirkburn | Just another reason why I'll never ride a motorcycle |
| 21:22.04 | Cairenn | what?! |
| 21:22.07 | Kaelten | :( |
| 21:22.17 | Kaelten | ya got it on a global notice a few secs ago |
| 21:22.19 | kergoth | woah |
| 21:23.56 | Cide | that's horrible |
| 21:23.56 | Cairenn | wow |
| 21:23.57 | Kaelten | very |
| 21:23.57 | Cairenn | that's just |
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| 21:33.43 | Amro | sweet, lag at the end of an escort |
| 21:39.55 | Industrial | Anyone wanna compare his addons with mine? I wanna find out about more addons but browsing the addons sites for hours isnt going to work. |
| 21:40.15 | Industrial | also im just interested in how other people play :> |
| 21:41.48 | Amro | i use the base ui, with some useful addons (questlog, auctioneer, etc) |
| 21:41.57 | Amro | till the day i have enough free time to customize it |
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| 21:46.35 | Maldivia | Hmm, who's doing the AceLocale 2.1 ? |
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| 21:50.40 | Thumann | hi guys.. i've been trying for some time now.. but the concept of creating a dropdown menu in lua.. is a mystery to me.. -_- any help? |
| 21:51.01 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/843 |
| 21:51.03 | Industrial | 37 addons |
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| 21:59.47 | ckknight_ | Thumann, use Dewdrop. |
| 22:00.16 | Thumann | yeah.. i've looked into that.. :/ |
| 22:00.19 | ckknight | Thumann, it looks like the blizzard dropdowns, only it's more powerful and faster |
| 22:00.27 | ckknight | and typically uses less memory |
| 22:00.32 | ckknight | cause you don't feed in tables :-P |
| 22:03.12 | Thumann | well.. i cant get it to work at all :( |
| 22:04.20 | Thumann | any one got a simple example on how to use it? |
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| 22:10.02 | Thumann | ckknight: did you write it? :) |
| 22:10.11 | Thumann | Author: ckknight |
| 22:10.48 | Maldivia | that would be a good hint he did |
| 22:13.03 | Thumann | indeed |
| 22:13.33 | Kirov | dewdrop and compost are the only two things from Ace that make me want to move over |
| 22:14.43 | Thrae | Kirov: AceLibrary is just a suped-up Iriel stub code, and Dewdrop and Compost aren't really "Ace" or "Ace2" libraries. |
| 22:15.42 | Kirov | They're products of the Ace community though |
| 22:16.08 | Thrae | By the way, has anyone encountered the bug where you try to whisper someone from another server while in a BG and their server name gets appended twice? |
| 22:16.51 | Thrae | Kirov: Worried more about using someone else's libraries, or about getting involved with the Ace community? ;) |
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| 22:17.17 | Kirov | Neither, just lazy |
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| 22:17.41 | Corr[home] | The cow says, "i'm rolling on that" |
| 22:17.46 | Thrae | Kirov: You know where the documentation for Compost and Dewdrop is kept, right? We in the evil Ace community are good on documentation. |
| 22:18.37 | nevcairiel | For lazyness, ace is great :D |
| 22:18.40 | Kirov | http://www.wowace.com/index.php/Category:API_Documentation |
| 22:19.00 | Thrae | Ace isn't about laziness, Ace is about efficiency ;) |
| 22:19.02 | Kirov | nevcairiel - the problem is I have dropdown menus already. They work. They're shit, but they work. |
| 22:19.38 | Kirov | Even though dewdrop is great, I really don't want to have to rewrite them |
| 22:19.40 | Thrae | Why spend hours, days, weeks, months optimizing your own code when you can just use and possibly help optimize an already existing standard? |
| 22:19.48 | Corr[home] | Ace is about not having your addon on a release site where people can find out about it :) |
| 22:20.03 | Kirov | that too |
| 22:20.17 | Thrae | Corr[home]: Bah, that's only true for a few authors ;) |
| 22:20.43 | Cide | most authors, I'd say |
| 22:21.01 | Corr[home] | it doesn't look like i'd have ever heard about Squishy, which is a wonderful little EM, had someone not mentioned it to me, here. |
| 22:21.11 | Corr[home] | although i haven't searched wowi, yet |
| 22:21.15 | cladhaire | i hate this discussion |
| 22:21.39 | Corr[home] | you weren't even a part of it until just now >_> |
| 22:21.42 | Cide | it's certainly not the first of its kind, cladhaire :) |
| 22:21.52 | cladhaire | its true |
| 22:22.07 | Thrae | Corr[home]: It's on Wowinterface, yes. Some authors, Ace or not, don't want to have to bother with updating 3+ sites. |
| 22:22.14 | cladhaire | Cide: Yes, but it always happens with most of the people talking out of their asses, and no good ever comes of it. |
| 22:22.37 | cladhaire | Ace is nothing more than a framework, and anyone who tells you otherwise is severely delusional, and possibly stoned. |
| 22:22.52 | Corr[home] | but this reminds me: i get a funky error with perfectraid that may involve dewdrop, in that when i mouse over the "system" menu in a chat window's tab's context menu, to select what color the system messages appear in, i get an error. |
| 22:22.52 | Kirov | wowinterface is a great site, and has become the home to a lot of projects. |
| 22:22.58 | cladhaire | there are just as many bad coders who use Ace compared to anything else. |
| 22:23.09 | cladhaire | Corr[home]: PR doesn't use dewdrop.. |
| 22:23.19 | Corr[home] | i.. *double checks* |
| 22:23.24 | Kirov | the problem with wowinterface is it's a late comer to the game. Curse, wowguru (as shitty as it is), and ui.worldofwar.net already have a huge foothold. |
| 22:23.30 | cladhaire | it may be that library instance.. but its not PR |
| 22:23.35 | Corr[home] | i beg to differ |
| 22:23.47 | Corr[home] | dewdrop is most definitely present in praid's lib folder |
| 22:24.25 | cladhaire | yes, and it doesn't use it. |
| 22:24.26 | cladhaire | i'd know. |
| 22:24.29 | Esamynn | how is wowinterface a late commer? |
| 22:24.33 | Corr[home] | why is it there? : |
| 22:24.38 | cladhaire | because i was going to use it |
| 22:24.40 | Cairenn | I'd like to know that too |
| 22:24.42 | Corr[home] | oops, keys are in a different spot in this keyboard |
| 22:24.51 | cladhaire | all that means is that PR would be blamed if its the most recent instance of dewdrop |
| 22:24.58 | Thrae | My PerfectRaid folder has no lib folder, and I just updated from the SVN... |
| 22:25.00 | Esamynn | asaik WowInterface has been aroudn since at least release |
| 22:25.18 | Esamynn | s/asaik/afaik/ |
| 22:25.19 | nevcairiel | Thrae: ace2 branch? |
| 22:25.20 | Thrae | It's never have a lib folder. cladhaire's addons don't use any part of Ace, to my knowledge. |
| 22:25.25 | Corr[home] | i'm not going to blame PR's code; i don't have enough information to say which portion of praid and its libs is causing the issue. |
| 22:25.34 | cladhaire | the one on WoWI does |
| 22:25.47 | Thrae | Oh, the WoWI version is the Ace2 branch? |
| 22:25.50 | cladhaire | Corr[home]: Its not PerfectRaid, its the pecularity of embedded addons |
| 22:25.50 | cladhaire | yes |
| 22:25.54 | cladhaire | the newest version |
| 22:26.00 | Kirov | ping Cairenn |
| 22:26.10 | Cairenn | Kirov: seriously, I'd love to know how you come to that conclusion |
| 22:26.25 | Corr[home] | so you are proposing that the problem must be in the code of one of the libs? |
| 22:26.35 | cladhaire | Corr[home]: No, some other addon using Dewdrop. |
| 22:26.43 | Thrae | cladhaire: Is that in branches? |
| 22:26.44 | cladhaire | get an error function with a stack trace, and it'll reveal all |
| 22:26.46 | Corr[home] | it occurs when praid is my only loaded addon |
| 22:26.48 | cladhaire | if you can reproduce the error |
| 22:27.12 | cladhaire | Corr[home]: Then it may be an error with that version of dewdrop, which i guarantee you PR does not use. |
| 22:27.15 | Kirov | Cairenn - My addons on curse get, on average, about 100-1000 times as many downloads vs. wowinterface. |
| 22:27.17 | Corr[home] | improved error frame's stack trace does not, unfortunately, point to any addon as teh culprit. |
| 22:27.31 | Cairenn | Kirov: that doesn't make wowi a "late comer" |
| 22:27.31 | cladhaire | I'd like to see a stack trace |
| 22:27.33 | Corr[home] | can i delete the dewdrop folder? |
| 22:27.39 | cladhaire | absolutely |
| 22:27.40 | Corr[home] | alright, hang on |
| 22:28.08 | Kirov | Cairenn - in my little corner of the cosmos, i didn't learn of the existance of wowi until a year after I knew about curse |
| 22:28.12 | Cairenn | lord knows this has been gone over enough times already, but hell if you guys want to go over it again, I'll do it |
| 22:28.14 | amro | wowi's been around for a while |
| 22:28.41 | Kirov | Cairenn - as far as I've noticed, it's still a mostly unknown site |
| 22:28.45 | Cairenn | wowi *re-opened* the same time as curse and ui.wow.net opened for the first time |
| 22:29.21 | Kirov | Cairenn - really? |
| 22:29.22 | Kirkburn1 | (never mind the fact that it existed in other forms for other game sbeforehand) |
| 22:29.41 | Cairenn | and the reason we have less mods is because unlike curse and ui.wow, we didn't (don't?) go around uploading mods ourselves |
| 22:29.53 | FlisherAFK | note that ui.wow and wowguru are powered by money from big corp, while CG is managed by a guy who borrowed shitload of money at the bank, and wowi I don't know. |
| 22:29.54 | Kirkburn1 | (and still does exist for those other games, obviously) |
| 22:30.16 | Kirkburn1 | worldofwar isn't owned by a huge corp btw |
| 22:30.24 | Cairenn | also note that wowi is the only site that is *solely* dedicated to mods |
| 22:30.26 | Thrae | Cairenn: And your upload approval is more strict, which I don't find to be a bad thing. |
| 22:30.45 | Kirkburn1 | Thrae, indeed, we can trust the WoWI stuff to be the best :) |
| 22:30.45 | Kirov | strick, but faster! |
| 22:30.54 | FlisherAFK | isn't ui.wow hardware provided by another compagny? |
| 22:30.56 | Cairenn | the other sites are like general stores, little bit of everything ... we're the specialty store |
| 22:31.06 | amro | wowi looks nicer than the other sites :) |
| 22:31.10 | Corr[home] | loading in windowed mode with only praid active |
| 22:31.17 | Kirkburn1 | FlisherAFK, it's part of LoadedInc, which isn't all that big |
| 22:31.25 | FlisherAFK | ok |
| 22:31.30 | FlisherAFK | tought it was a biggy |
| 22:31.35 | Corr[home] | wowi is really the one i like the most, except that i'm not very good at using the search feature, yet |
| 22:31.47 | Cairenn | but yes, we were actually around first, we were open during Closed Beta, closed for a while, then re-opened |
| 22:31.59 | Kirkburn1 | Not particularly, nothing like IGN or anything |
| 22:32.04 | Kirov | I love wowi, if I could I'd only use wowi. |
| 22:32.10 | Kirov | But if I want people to download my stuff, I post it on worldofwar and curse |
| 22:32.14 | Cide | LoadedInc is the author's own company/network, I believe |
| 22:32.24 | Kirov | I always link to all 3, usually with the wowi link first |
| 22:32.28 | Kirkburn1 | Cide, afaik yeah, run by Rushster |
| 22:32.28 | FlisherAFK | the community where I get the more feedback is curse (probably due to the size of the userbase), but I post on wowi, cg and ui.wow. (didn't posted beta version on wowi due to available time) |
| 22:32.30 | Kirov | (when posting) |
| 22:32.31 | Cairenn | we aren't unhappy with our status, we're growing slowly but steadily |
| 22:32.38 | cladhaire | Kirov: Or just post at wowinterface =) |
| 22:32.43 | cladhaire | PerfectRaid and Clique users have gotten used to it =) |
| 22:32.47 | Kirkburn1 | (up in bonnie scotland) |
| 22:32.48 | Corr[home] | cladhaire: i have messaged you the stack trace |
| 22:32.56 | Cairenn | where the authors go, the users follow /shrug |
| 22:32.58 | Corr[home] | it does not occur if i have PR disabled. now, i will try removing the dewdrop folder and doing it again. |
| 22:33.03 | cladhaire | Corr[home]: Are you registered? I didn't get anything. |
| 22:33.09 | Kirov | cladhaire - I never get bug reports from wowi |
| 22:33.13 | cladhaire | the issue is in that versino of the dewdrop lib |
| 22:33.16 | Kirkburn1 | The very fact we're having the discussion shows how silly it is for people to try launching new ui sites :/ |
| 22:33.18 | cladhaire | Kirov: If you didn't post anywhere else you would =) |
| 22:33.32 | Corr[home] | sigh. i must have used my other name last time. i hate having to register alternate nicks |
| 22:33.39 | cladhaire | Kirov: WatchDog I still look at everywhere, but everything else is WoWI exclusive. |
| 22:33.43 | ckknight | hooray for Ace2! |
| 22:33.49 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:33.53 | Xuerian | The fact is, the sites have been opened long enough, but the average wow player, for whatever reason, gets told about curse-gaming.com first. Then ct-mod.net. Then ui.worldofwar.net. Then Wowi. While I personally like wowi, I can see the progression. Big, flashy mods generally steadily reduce in number along that trail of sites, and big flashy mods is what newbies tend to go for, but definately not always. :) |
| 22:34.21 | Xuerian | (The fact being the "opened long enough", the rest is Xuerian's opinion and it isn't his fault if said opinion causes bodily or mental harm, and is not responsible for therapy bills.) |
| 22:34.25 | ckknight | Discord is flashy. |
| 22:34.27 | ckknight | ~lozareth |
| 22:34.29 | purl | A man who stole your FPS and Memory aka The Boogyman of http://www.discordmods.com/ - "I got mem so why not use it" |
| 22:34.29 | amro | i learned about wowi first |
| 22:34.32 | Cairenn | ah, but anyone that goes to ctmod.net sees the fact that they are hosted by wowi |
| 22:34.42 | cladhaire | ckknight: I hate when you do an emulate, and don't get the one you want.. luckily =) |
| 22:34.45 | Cide | that's stupid, ckknight |
| 22:34.46 | ckknight | Cairenn, do they _really_ see that? |
| 22:34.50 | Kirov | Cairenn - I think that's how I first learned about wowi, heh |
| 22:35.01 | Industrial | Cide, why? |
| 22:35.03 | Cairenn | ckknight: probably not |
| 22:35.09 | Xuerian | Cairenn, it's there, but I never did see it. in fact, I only recall seeing it because you pointed it out just now =) |
| 22:35.10 | Corr[home] | there we go, messaged |
| 22:35.17 | ckknight | Cide, hrm? |
| 22:35.30 | ckknight | I didn't write it. and that's a quote from him. |
| 22:35.30 | Industrial | its the truth :P |
| 22:35.57 | cladhaire | ckknight: Did you fix an issue with: Interface\FrameXML\UIDropDownMenu.lua:617: in function `ToggleDropDownMenu' at some point in the past? |
| 22:35.57 | Cide | purl no, lozaerth is A man who developed a very popular and customizable package of addons - http://www.discordmods.com |
| 22:35.58 | purl | Cide: okay |
| 22:35.59 | Cide | I failed |
| 22:36.01 | ckknight | cladhaire, afaik, but I'm not positive. |
| 22:36.02 | cladhaire | no you didn't |
| 22:36.03 | Thrae | The big (aka popular) authors are slowly migrating to WoWInterface I'd say, both old and new. Their portal and bug-reporting systems are superior. |
| 22:36.07 | Cide | yes I did! |
| 22:36.08 | cladhaire | purl was just being lazy :P |
| 22:36.15 | Cide | lozaerth |
| 22:36.19 | Cairenn | I haven't gone there in ages, does anyone *actually* use wowguru still? |
| 22:36.28 | cladhaire | for mods? I can't imagine so |
| 22:36.31 | ckknight | yea, they do. |
| 22:36.32 | ckknight | wait |
| 22:36.34 | ckknight | not wowguru |
| 22:36.37 | Cairenn | for mods, I meant |
| 22:36.43 | ckknight | I doubt it. |
| 22:36.45 | cladhaire | ckknight: Thanks.. tried to track it down, and I dont even use it in PR.. just had it loading (it was causing the issue by itself) |
| 22:36.51 | Kirkburn | Wowguru is slower than frozen molasses for me |
| 22:37.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tuller_ (n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 22:37.05 | Cide | the point I'm trying to make is sure, discord takes up a lot of memory |
| 22:37.21 | ckknight | "I got mem so why not use it" |
| 22:37.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=Wobin@218-214-59-86.people.net.au) |
| 22:37.25 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, I once thought about it, but gave up on it quickly once I tried it |
| 22:37.45 | Thrae | I think you spelled "Lozareth" wrong. |
| 22:37.47 | Cide | it still sounds like a very condescending message |
| 22:37.51 | Cide | Thrae: already corrected |
| 22:38.12 | Industrial | well arent they bad addons? |
| 22:38.21 | Cide | no, that's where you're wrong |
| 22:38.33 | Industrial | oh, why? |
| 22:38.34 | cladhaire | they're brilliant |
| 22:38.36 | Xuerian | Not really, Discord is actually pretty cool and functional. They are just... freaking... hute. |
| 22:38.37 | Corr[home] | well, -i- have mem, and i like to use it :) |
| 22:38.38 | Cide | you're living and loving ace, but not everyone wants what you want |
| 22:38.42 | Xuerian | s/hute /huge/ |
| 22:39.00 | Cide | discord *IS* heavy on memory, but that doesn't make it a bad addon *at all* |
| 22:39.06 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 22:39.13 | Cide | and if you think so, you need to get your head fixed |
| 22:39.16 | Laric | It is really nice |
| 22:39.21 | Kirkburn | Very very powerful, but that also makes it hard to customize and hard to update |
| 22:39.39 | Kirkburn | But it doesn't make it not 'good' :) |
| 22:39.40 | Thrae | purl no, lozareth is A man who developed a very popular and customizable package of addons - http://www.discordmods.com. Just watch out your UI resources - to quote the man himself, "I got mem so why not use it?" |
| 22:39.41 | purl | okay, Thrae |
| 22:39.51 | Wobin | Well I think that's part of the problem =) Because it's so customisable, it makes it difficult to update =) |
| 22:39.55 | Laric | would love it event more if it didnt take so many fps off my game :P |
| 22:39.56 | Thrae | There, now it's not mocking him at least. |
| 22:40.03 | Wobin | (cause you have to recustomise a lot) |
| 22:40.19 | Cide | Thrae: may I ask, why do you have the last part in? |
| 22:40.22 | Cide | ~ace |
| 22:40.23 | purl | from memory, ace is a lightweight and powerful system for building World of Warcraft addons. It is coded to keep CPU-usage, memory-usage, and GC churn in mind. See http://www.wowace.com/ |
| 22:40.53 | Tuller_ | discord doesn't break every release, does it? |
| 22:40.56 | Industrial | well the problem with alot of addons from my point of view is that they are made for the 'wrong' audience. Not my audience. The number of computer literate people in the audience makes it a bad addon for me |
| 22:41.03 | Cide | Tuller_: your point being? |
| 22:41.04 | Thrae | Cide: Why not? Both the quote and the warning is true. |
| 22:41.23 | Tuller_ | the recustomizing a lot bit |
| 22:41.38 | Cide | Thrae: do you mind if I append, "also note that your addons may suffer from low amounts of users, due to its small but tightly knit community" to the ace definition? |
| 22:41.44 | Cide | because that's also true |
| 22:41.50 | Wobin | Not really =) |
| 22:41.53 | Industrial | not really |
| 22:41.57 | Cide | yes it is |
| 22:41.57 | Wobin | but we're getting somewhat out of hand |
| 22:42.01 | ckknight | it _was_ true with Ace1, not with Ace2 |
| 22:42.12 | ckknight | I'd say. |
| 22:42.13 | Wobin | also, it's got nothing to do with the end user |
| 22:42.20 | Wobin | That comment has to do with coders |
| 22:42.22 | ckknight | but yea, it's definitely not true any more |
| 22:42.26 | Thrae | Cide: I know a lot of people where Discord mods wouldn't run on their systems, my own laptop included. |
| 22:42.29 | Cide | the most popular ace2 addon is fubar 2, I'd say? |
| 22:42.39 | Industrial | Cide, thats again why I dont like addons like discord. Not made for the group of people I like to call users |
| 22:42.49 | Thrae | Cide: It's not a "bash" of Discord, it's the truth and a true warning to people with low-end systems. |
| 22:42.50 | Cide | that's your side of the story |
| 22:42.55 | Xuerian | To non-ace-junkies, I'd say, Cide. To ace-junkies, it's just de-facto :p |
| 22:42.56 | Industrial | yes |
| 22:43.20 | Cide | so let me add my side of the story to ace, since apparently you want your side of the story for discord |
| 22:43.30 | Kirkburn | eek |
| 22:43.38 | Corr[home] | discord is nice, if you have both the resources and the inclination to customize it. |
| 22:43.40 | Wobin | It's like saying "MacDonalds! It's cheap food. But if you're planning on running a MacDonalds, don't expect your staff to be highly educated. |
| 22:43.51 | Wobin | It's got nothing to do with the consumer =P |
| 22:43.55 | Cide | and yes, that's a really stupid argument I just made |
| 22:44.03 | Wobin | =) |
| 22:44.05 | cladhaire | <3 Cide |
| 22:44.07 | Cide | the point being, let the user check it out and see what the hell it is |
| 22:44.11 | ckknight | man, McDonalds is icky. |
| 22:44.15 | Industrial | werd |
| 22:44.20 | Wobin | Isn't it =} |
| 22:44.41 | Corr[home] | know my pet peeve? addons that don't include some kind of readme in their archive, so i have to go back to the release site to figure out how to work them |
| 22:45.00 | Industrial | Cide, im not trying to jump you here btw, just telling you why i think its a bad addon. |
| 22:45.05 | Cide | Industrial: that's fine |
| 22:45.26 | Cide | but don't bring personal opinion into a "definition" like that |
| 22:45.27 | Thrae | Cide: The average user with a low-end machine would try out Discord and then think they have some type of driver problem because their FPS suddenly dropped to below a playable level. |
| 22:45.35 | Industrial | Cide, its a quote |
| 22:45.37 | Wobin | Corr[home]: hum =\ I find it overly complex to have to edit more than one source for my 'help' |
| 22:45.39 | Kirkburn | Each man is allowed an opinion, but some have more opinions than others =) |
| 22:45.51 | Corr[home] | because it's not made for people who aren't computer literate? well, that makes you not a part of the target audience, i fear. it's like saying that a book is a bad book because it's a technical manual for linux and you only use windows. |
| 22:45.55 | Thrae | It's not a "personal opinion", it's the truth. |
| 22:46.03 | Cide | Industrial: I have made some really fucking stupid quotes, does that mean my quotes should be in the description of my mods? |
| 22:46.08 | Cide | err, statements |
| 22:46.11 | Kirov | Discord stuff is awesome for people who don't want to actually code, but want to do lots of custom stuff, and are willing to take the hit for it. |
| 22:46.19 | Corr[home] | Wobin: and i dislike having to search my addon sites again just so i can figure out what slash commands to use in one of the addons :( |
| 22:46.28 | Wobin | ah |
| 22:46.29 | Thrae | Lozareth has said himself that optimization is not a priority. |
| 22:46.30 | Kirkburn | It's still the truth, whoever says it, it *needs* a powerful system |
| 22:46.45 | Wobin | Well I guess my addons don't have that problem as they list all the slashcommands on the default one =) |
| 22:46.46 | Industrial | Corr, no its more like needing a linux manual but using the windows f1 key - wich happens to somehow leak memory |
| 22:46.58 | Wobin | along with help info on each one |
| 22:47.14 | Corr[home] | ...what? |
| 22:47.18 | Industrial | never mind :P |
| 22:47.41 | Cide | Kirkburn: so what? if the user wants unrivalled customizability, discord is what to use |
| 22:47.46 | Corr[home] | if you want to seriously customize your frames, you have to know what you want. discord can't read your mind. |
| 22:48.00 | Industrial | If you want to seriously customiz you learn LUA yourself |
| 22:48.01 | Industrial | like me |
| 22:48.12 | Cide | Industrial: or you use discord |
| 22:48.21 | Kirkburn | Cide, I have no quarrel with that whatsoever. I'm just saying that the quote (that pretty much no-one will see) is accurate |
| 22:48.22 | Corr[home] | as i recall, discord's configuration is all in a GUI |
| 22:48.26 | Tuller_ | consider discord the visual something or other |
| 22:48.33 | amro | i wish lua was more OO |
| 22:48.35 | Industrial | not an option for me, because that means humongouse amounts of memory and CPu usage I dont need |
| 22:48.45 | ckknight | amro, see AceOO-2.0 ;-) |
| 22:48.47 | Kirov | amro - check out Ace at all? |
| 22:48.47 | Industrial | the problem is that discord mods are made for people that dont care about that |
| 22:48.49 | ckknight | amro, hehe. |
| 22:48.52 | Cairenn | actually, if the person wants unrivalled customizablity, they use flexbar |
| 22:48.53 | Industrial | or cant care cause they dont know about it |
| 22:49.01 | amro | yes ive seen ace |
| 22:49.03 | Cide | Cairenn: not when it comes to unitframe addons |
| 22:49.05 | amro | but im talking about lua |
| 22:49.12 | Cairenn | no, not unit frames |
| 22:49.13 | Thrae | I think it would be better to say, "If you want unrivalled customizability from an intuitive interface." |
| 22:49.14 | Corr[home] | so what you're saying is that discord is a bad addon because they didn't make a completely -different- addon that doesn't do the same thing? |
| 22:49.14 | Kirov | Cairenn - that's only for action buttons though. |
| 22:49.15 | Cide | and DAB is pretty close to flexbar when it comes to functionality |
| 22:49.16 | Cairenn | but action bars |
| 22:49.22 | amro | in general. im not gonna make a class for strings and numbers |
| 22:49.24 | Cide | it applies to discord in general |
| 22:49.37 | MentalPower | amro: have you seen the Ace Library for WoW? |
| 22:49.42 | amro | im gonna check out aceoo2 though, haven't seen it yet |
| 22:49.44 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:49.45 | Industrial | no, im saying discord is a bad addon because the idea is to cater people that cant learn lua themselves. |
| 22:49.48 | MentalPower | amro: its written in full OO |
| 22:50.01 | Corr[home] | what's wrong with that? |
| 22:50.06 | Thrae | Because using Lua, Flexbar, etc. isn't necessarily as intuitive as Discord. One of its main selling points as well as its resource hogs is its excellent interfaces. |
| 22:50.07 | Kirov | Industrial - so? |
| 22:50.11 | Industrial | you have to dumb things down :P |
| 22:50.14 | Corr[home] | Industrial: what you're saying you want is a way to customize your frames that neither requires an addon to do it nor requires knowledge of LUA. therefore, what you actually want is an addon author to write some frames addon just for you, to your specifications. |
| 22:50.15 | amro | ill take a look at it, thanks for the tip |
| 22:50.15 | Cairenn | Industrial: so it's *bad* to cater to people who don't want to learn lua themselves? |
| 22:50.21 | Cide | Kirkburn: it's accurate, I'm not going to argue that, but adding that in the first place makes it very clear that the person that wrote it [strongly] opposes the design behind it |
| 22:50.29 | Corr[home] | Industrial has emitted an extremely elitist statement |
| 22:50.32 | ckknight | amro, feel free to join #wowace if you want more info :-P |
| 22:50.36 | Industrial | yes i did |
| 22:50.39 | Industrial | have* |
| 22:50.48 | Kirov | Industrial - That's like saying html editors are dumb because people should be forced to learn HTML |
| 22:50.55 | Corr[home] | i disagree with you that only people who can write addons deserve to have them. |
| 22:51.04 | Wobin | hehe |
| 22:51.06 | Industrial | im saying WYSYWYG is dumb because learning XHTML and CSS is more fruitful |
| 22:51.08 | Corr[home] | and that is the conclusion i reach if i follow what youo've said. |
| 22:51.11 | Industrial | thats what im saying |
| 22:51.12 | Xuerian | Amro: Resistance is futile. You will be acemmilated. |
| 22:51.13 | Thrae | Industrial is one of those authors who only releases his addons on the WoWAce SVN ;) |
| 22:51.13 | Industrial | and its true |
| 22:51.15 | Cide | Kirov: or compilers vs bytecode! |
| 22:51.16 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 22:51.19 | Wobin | It's an elitest opinion, yes |
| 22:51.32 | ckknight | Cide, JITters ftw. |
| 22:51.37 | Kirov | Everyone should be forced to type in binary |
| 22:51.40 | amro | lol xuerian |
| 22:51.40 | Kirkburn | Cide, Lozareth himself would agree with it. I know what you're getting at, but this is a silly conversation :P |
| 22:51.44 | Kirov | all keyboards are just two buttons |
| 22:51.47 | Wobin | Lern10binary |
| 22:51.52 | Laric | Industrial: Why would wysiwyg be bad? |
| 22:51.57 | Cairenn | so, guess I need to go delete all my addons, since I can't be bothered to take the time and effort to learn lua and create them myself |
| 22:52.07 | Kirkburn | Well duh =) |
| 22:52.09 | Thrae | The Ace community has people with elitist opinions, the Cosmos community has people with elitist opinions, the Discord community has people with elitist opinions, all communities have their elitists. |
| 22:52.15 | Industrial | Laric, please lets not get to that |
| 22:52.17 | Corr[home] | Industrial: i fear you are a small minority, especially in this channel. every addon released on curse-gaming, wowi, and worldofwar defies your principle. |
| 22:52.20 | Cairenn | Thrae: indeed, very true |
| 22:52.34 | Industrial | Corr[home], I took my addons off wowi |
| 22:52.41 | Corr[home] | i'm not talking about your addons |
| 22:52.56 | Cide | ~lozareth |
| 22:52.58 | purl | it has been said that lozareth is A man who developed a popular package of addons that offers unrivalled customizability at the cost of memory - http://www.discordmods.com |
| 22:53.00 | Corr[home] | stick with me here: i'm talking about how people don't agree with you |
| 22:53.02 | Cide | there? |
| 22:53.08 | Kirkburn | Sounds good to me :) |
| 22:53.13 | Industrial | Corr[home], yeah I understand |
| 22:53.24 | Wobin | Cide: Looks fine |
| 22:53.45 | Cide | good |
| 22:53.55 | Thrae | Actually I think that looks worse then his own quote, but OK. |
| 22:53.57 | yacoob | Kirov: not write! whistle! whistle into microphone! :D |
| 22:53.58 | Kirkburn | Having just got into XHTML and CSS, yes it is very powerful. But for most people (and for myself), I can't just look at the code and see how that will turn out. You need WYSIWYG for sanity (Well, I do) |
| 22:54.02 | Corr[home] | i certainly can't force you to release your addons for public use, and you apparently don't gain any joy out of doing so, like many authors do. don't expect respect, though. |
| 22:54.18 | Industrial | Kirkburn, no you can use a browser just fine |
| 22:54.26 | Cairenn | Corr[home]: careful now |
| 22:54.36 | Industrial | WYSIWYG is generating code by dragging in buttons and XHTML elements into some sort of mockup |
| 22:54.40 | Wobin | Kirkburn: well, to a certain degree. You know the syntax, but everyone has to use the browser to see how it turns out simply due to browser compatibility |
| 22:54.44 | Warla | Kirkburn .. i can look at the code and know how it looks like ;-) i make all CSS / HTML in a text editor... no WYSIWYG |
| 22:54.52 | Corr[home] | am i bordering on flaming? |
| 22:54.53 | Kirkburn | Industrial, well obviously *I* can't, since I'm the one saying it :) I can't work only in the code mode of dreamweaver |
| 22:54.53 | Industrial | Cairenn, its fine, hard shell :P |
| 22:54.59 | Cide | WYSIWYG is by definition a real-time renderer of code ;) |
| 22:55.07 | Cide | or of data, I should say... |
| 22:55.26 | Cairenn | Corr[home]: disagreeing with someone is fine, but you know the rules of the channel - respect and courtesy |
| 22:55.27 | Industrial | Kirkburn, well when you can youll agree with me |
| 22:55.28 | cladhaire | OKay.. can anyone else help me troubleshoot |
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| 22:55.29 | Corr[home] | Kirkburn: he would prefer that any web site you can think of -not- exist than you make it with such an editor |
| 22:55.47 | Corr[home] | i can respect Industrial as a human, if that's what you're getting at. |
| 22:55.48 | Thrae | Corr[home]: There are different types of respect. If Industrial wanted respect for putting his addon on a lot of different sites, then he would do so. But if he just wants respect as a coder, then I don't see how where he puts his addons makes a difference. |
| 22:55.52 | Corr[home] | or rather i can agree he is a human |
| 22:56.00 | cladhaire | PerfectRaid, being the only addon.. is getting an error when you hover over System Messages in the ChatFrame popup dialog.. and.. it .. does NOTHING anywhere near it.. so I dont even know what to suspect at this point. |
| 22:56.01 | Wobin | Industrial: Score! |
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| 22:56.16 | Industrial | I want to share my addons for other people to use or use its code |
| 22:56.17 | Cide | and yes, this was a quite silly conversation Kirkburn, but I still think it's extremely naive to expect everyone to think like oneself |
| 22:56.19 | Thrae | It's not the responsibility of an addon coder to make his addon as easily available as possible. |
| 22:56.26 | Industrial | I find the ACE svn to be the best place to do that |
| 22:56.33 | Industrial | theres nothing more |
| 22:56.35 | Cide | cladhaire: anything regarding FCF_*? |
| 22:56.36 | Industrial | ;) |
| 22:56.52 | Wobin | cladhaire: a definable error? |
| 22:56.57 | Kirkburn | Cide, very very true. It is extremely important to have a critical mind that can take a step back from a conversation and ask itself "am I really right?" |
| 22:57.01 | cladhaire | Cide: yes. |
| 22:57.03 | Tuller | hurray for having myself back |
| 22:57.08 | Corr[home] | wanting to share your addons for other people to use is ineffective if you don't share it somewhere people can find it |
| 22:57.12 | Wobin | re Tuller =) |
| 22:57.17 | Corr[home] | i propose that that is not one of your goals |
| 22:57.19 | Cide | cladhaire: if you have code that works with FCF_* stuff, then that's most likely it |
| 22:57.23 | cladhaire | Cide: I don't =/ |
| 22:57.29 | Cide | oh =( |
| 22:57.42 | Cide | FCF_* is a very ugly beast, I might add |
| 22:57.52 | Industrial | Corr[home], ive used lots of bits from other people in my addons and in turn ive seen people use bits of mine. |
| 22:58.09 | Corr[home] | i did not address your goal of having people use your code |
| 22:58.27 | Corr[home] | -- or parts of it, but rather that of having people use the addons |
| 22:59.08 | Wobin | I think the ace svn is more of an environment where the user is more predisposed towards learning how to code (ie if they've gotten to the point where they know how to dowload an svn client and use it) |
| 22:59.23 | Wobin | So they're more interested in the workings of the system |
| 22:59.30 | Corr[home] | i do not consider that an advantage |
| 22:59.33 | Industrial | I do |
| 22:59.37 | Wobin | which really makes testing a whole lot easier |
| 22:59.55 | Industrial | Also I cant possibly handle all the feedback of non technical users |
| 23:00.04 | Wobin | They don't expect a perfect solution, and are willing to work with you to iron out issues |
| 23:00.19 | Industrial | if someone inspects my new version on the ace svn hes happy to make a branch or even update it in the trunk for a fix |
| 23:00.24 | Corr[home] | you have found a way to write addons for developers, and i congratulate you for doing so |
| 23:00.52 | Wobin | It's of course, a subset of the available users, but it's a lot less bloodpressure inducing than having to deal with 'OMGADDONBROKEFIXIT' types |
| 23:00.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 23:00.56 | Tuller | you mean, a framework? |
| 23:00.57 | Industrial | I recently made a new thread on the ace forums about idChat2, its pages long of requests already |
| 23:01.02 | Industrial | imagine if I did that for all the addons sited |
| 23:01.07 | Kirkburn | (on a side note, the #freenode-announce channel is quite nice atm, lots of condolences for lilo. And he has on a bicycle and not a motobike which is possibly even worse, and it was a hit and run :/) |
| 23:01.19 | Wobin | wotwot? |
| 23:01.28 | Industrial | 6 pages* |
| 23:01.34 | Corr[home] | do you feel somehow compelled to implement all requests? |
| 23:01.39 | Industrial | yeah |
| 23:01.45 | Corr[home] | that strikes me as strange |
| 23:01.48 | Industrial | and I encourage others to make modules for idChat2 |
| 23:01.50 | Industrial | and they have |
| 23:02.05 | Corr[home] | that shows far more concern for the desires of users than you show by hiding your addons on developer sites in the first place |
| 23:02.21 | Wobin | Corr, it depends on the scope of the project |
| 23:02.28 | Industrial | I like my addons to be sane over configurable |
| 23:02.32 | amro | Corr, what do you have against him 'hiding' his addons? |
| 23:02.38 | Wobin | If someone asked Indy to make it so idChat heals his raid, he probably would turn them down =P |
| 23:02.50 | Corr[home] | i see i'm a minority here. i'll quit. |
| 23:02.51 | Kirkburn | Wobin (I think you missed this?) and latecomers: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/PDPC_President_has_died |
| 23:03.06 | Wobin | ta Kirkburn |
| 23:03.26 | Wobin | =( |
| 23:03.33 | Industrial | ive been adding lots of configurability to idChat2 in the last 2 weeks - it tripled in size just because of chat command handlers |
| 23:04.01 | Cide | Industrial: now, add a GUI! |
| 23:04.02 | Industrial | where and interested user that knows how to code could have just changed the lua a bit to suit his needs |
| 23:04.14 | Wobin | oh wiki, you of the badly spelled articles |
| 23:04.19 | Industrial | and if he didnt get it I can explain |
| 23:04.25 | Industrial | could* |
| 23:04.32 | Industrial | im already giving into it |
| 23:04.33 | Industrial | :p |
| 23:04.43 | Wobin | Industrial: Dewdrop! |
| 23:04.46 | Industrial | so yeah thats how I think |
| 23:04.50 | Industrial | Wobin, you add it |
| 23:04.52 | Industrial | ;D |
| 23:04.55 | Wobin | you should be able to plug the aceoptions table directly into it |
| 23:04.57 | Industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 23:05.01 | Industrial | yeah |
| 23:05.03 | ckknight | it's 2 lines to add Dewdrop capability |
| 23:05.05 | Wobin | Industrial: But I don't use your addons =) |
| 23:05.15 | Industrial | Wobin, stalemate |
| 23:05.21 | cladhaire | ckknight: Have a moment? |
| 23:05.21 | Industrial | :E |
| 23:05.27 | ckknight | cladhaire, I suppose |
| 23:06.46 | Industrial | Corr[home], agnowledgement by equals has far greater value then agnowledgement by the masses. |
| 23:06.58 | Industrial | well unless you are selling something |
| 23:06.59 | Industrial | :E |
| 23:07.27 | Cairenn | Industrial: whoa, so now you are saying that someone that doesn't code is a lesser? |
| 23:07.43 | Wobin | no |
| 23:07.52 | Xuerian | Acknowledgement from someone who doesn't code is of lesser worth ;P |
| 23:07.53 | Wobin | he means he values the opinions of coders more than non-coders |
| 23:08.00 | Xuerian | Not the person. |
| 23:08.00 | Corr[home] | i have retired from this discussion, having already been outnumbered. |
| 23:08.18 | Cairenn | if he'd meant that, he would have said "peers", not "equals" |
| 23:08.20 | Xuerian | Were you in this discussion to win a war, or have a discussion? |
| 23:08.34 | Wobin | (to be honest, this has been one of the more polite, mature, 'discussions' I've been in on this channel =)) |
| 23:08.36 | Industrial | Cairenn, sorry, my english isnt perfect ;\ |
| 23:09.30 | Industrial | beer time :p |
| 23:09.33 | ckknight | I do not stand for the tyranny of the majority. |
| 23:09.45 | Wobin | Well, yes, but you're a sociopath =) |
| 23:09.59 | Corr[home] | it's a difference of values. there is nothing more to be said, anyway. |
| 23:10.06 | Wobin | aye |
| 23:10.08 | ckknight | Wobin, quiet you. |
| 23:10.13 | Wobin | hehe |
| 23:10.38 | Wobin | woohoo! |
| 23:10.56 | Xuerian | You didn't even take my cookie, Corr. Don't be hatin' =( |
| 23:11.09 | Xuerian | Make cookies, not war! |
| 23:11.24 | Wobin | C is for Cookie, and that's good enough for me. |
| 23:11.36 | Wobin | (I almost made a javascript function name called that at work...) |
| 23:11.43 | Industrial | lol |
| 23:11.52 | Xuerian | lol |
| 23:12.02 | Corr[home] | i'm not hating anything further than a difference of values can take you. |
| 23:12.13 | Wobin | But you'll take the cookie? |
| 23:12.17 | ckknight | ~emulate cookie monster |
| 23:12.20 | purl | Me want cookie! |
| 23:12.20 | Industrial | im gunna try discord frame modifier |
| 23:12.45 | Industrial | ;D |
| 23:12.48 | Xuerian | It's a great addon, Industrial :P.... just heavy on the grease. |
| 23:12.51 | Corr[home] | imaginary cookies don't affect a serious discussion |
| 23:12.57 | Kirkburn | I've only got fresh home grown tomatoes - they okay? |
| 23:12.59 | Xuerian | Neither does treating it like a war. |
| 23:13.16 | Xuerian | Well no, It does affect it... my bad ;) |
| 23:13.17 | Wobin | Kirkburn: Salsa? |
| 23:13.19 | Industrial | Kirkburn, ahhhhhh (mouth open) |
| 23:13.30 | Wobin | Guacamole? |
| 23:13.47 | Kirkburn | Oh no wait they are rotten, ah well *throws them into Industrial's open mouth* |
| 23:14.08 | Industrial | ew :{ |
| 23:14.12 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:14.43 | Corr[home] | Xuerian: wars are not always about a difference of values |
| 23:14.59 | Kirkburn | You may want to see a doctor now :P (actually there really are some fresh home-grown toms in the fridge, might have one now :) |
| 23:15.01 | Corr[home] | as an example, if two countries both value the oil that a third has, they may well fight each othe rfor it |
| 23:15.10 | Industrial | lol |
| 23:15.26 | Xuerian | Yeah. But this isn't a third world country. And the only oil involved is theoretical. |
| 23:15.30 | Xuerian | ^_^ |
| 23:15.37 | Industrial | touche! |
| 23:15.42 | Kirkburn | No, this is a channel in the ether of the internet :P |
| 23:15.43 | Corr[home] | that was an example of a principle, not an analogy of this discussion |
| 23:16.00 | Xuerian | Corr[home], thus it's validity, however it's application is of question |
| 23:16.01 | Industrial | belgian beer mmmmm |
| 23:16.23 | Corr[home] | it applies perfectly to the point i made, which is that war does not require a difference of values |
| 23:16.40 | Wobin | There is a difference of values =) |
| 23:16.41 | Corr[home] | what that means for you i cannot say |
| 23:16.47 | Industrial | lol Wobin |
| 23:16.50 | Tuller | pants. |
| 23:17.01 | Wobin | Both Country A and B believe that Country C (the oil one) is better off in their hands |
| 23:17.02 | Xuerian | Corr[home], so I'm not applying this to something else, yourPoint:GetRecursiveParent() != our discussion? |
| 23:17.03 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], I think you got it wrong: "if two countries both value the oil that a third has, they *will* fight each other for it, if one is the US" |
| 23:17.25 | Wobin | That's a difference in values |
| 23:17.30 | Industrial | lets say country C makes cookies and A and B want them |
| 23:17.44 | Industrial | :3 |
| 23:17.46 | Xuerian | NUUU, MY PANTS! Quick, form a 5-man! We must get our pants back from Baron Cairenn! |
| 23:17.52 | Kirkburn | (I got political and I didn't even put a smiley, amazing) |
| 23:17.56 | Wobin | We'll make her drop her pants! |
| 23:17.57 | Corr[home] | Kirkburn: political commentary is out of the scope of where i was going with this, i think. |
| 23:18.18 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], I know, I just felt like slipping that in there :) |
| 23:18.24 | Cairenn | Cairenn is most assuredly not a "baron" :p |
| 23:18.30 | Xuerian | Formal commentary is out of the scope of this conversation. I'm eating virtual cookies and listening to a remix of the tetris theme song. That's right, Testris. |
| 23:18.32 | ckknight | Baroness. |
| 23:18.39 | Xuerian | er. |
| 23:18.40 | Xuerian | tetrist. |
| 23:18.42 | Xuerian | damnit >< |
| 23:18.48 | ckknight | Cairenn, thank you for freeing us from the tyranny of pants |
| 23:18.57 | Kirkburn | May I point out that 'pants' means underwear for me, so this is more disturbing than you may think |
| 23:18.58 | Cairenn | ckknight: quite welcome |
| 23:19.03 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 23:19.17 | Wobin | To protect him from the Terrible Secret of Space |
| 23:19.27 | Kirkburn | I'm british, not going commando you fool :P |
| 23:19.40 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: *whistles an innocent little tune* |
| 23:20.29 | Xuerian | I wonder if she has any cameras hidden around ¬.¬ |
| 23:20.41 | Kirkburn | Aww, kitten! That'll take my mind off of this channel :) |
| 23:20.48 | Wobin | *mew* |
| 23:21.06 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: where you in the channel last night when I linked the dogblog? |
| 23:21.11 | Kirkburn | (I'm watching Green Wing again =) |
| 23:21.28 | Cairenn | http://www.automatedredemption.com/flavorcountry/dogblog/ |
| 23:21.40 | Kirkburn | Um, probably asleep in one of those rare cases where I choose a bed over a chair :) |
| 23:22.21 | Kirkburn | Aww, nice doggies |
| 23:22.34 | Cairenn | some of the comments he puts are hilarious |
| 23:25.15 | Kirkburn | Xuerian, can you not count higher than 26? =P |
| 23:25.33 | Xuerian | No. <.<... :P.. I was counting mature and litters separately. |
| 23:25.45 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwWF7JHwS4w |
| 23:25.47 | Cairenn | awww, puppies! |
| 23:25.51 | Wobin | on a completely different note |
| 23:25.53 | Cairenn | Xuerian: breed? |
| 23:26.08 | Xuerian | Yep. |
| 23:26.11 | Cairenn | ... |
| 23:26.17 | Cairenn | *what* breed :p |
| 23:26.21 | Xuerian | Oh. >.> |
| 23:26.24 | Xuerian | Standard poodles. :P |
| 23:26.25 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:27.07 | Xuerian | Say what you will, but they sell for shinies. And I, like, shinies. |
| 23:27.33 | Kirkburn | You trade poodles for ... scrap metal? |
| 23:27.50 | Cairenn | standards aren't bad, I'm at least willing to concede that they are, in fact, dogs |
| 23:27.52 | Wobin | Score! |
| 23:28.04 | amro | er what's with loadlib() in WoWBench? what do I need to do to enable this function? |
| 23:28.12 | Wobin | You could build a robotic dog! |
| 23:28.16 | Wobin | called Aibo |
| 23:28.58 | Kirkburn | Or called D0G for anyone whose played Half Life 2 :) |
| 23:29.09 | Xuerian | This is true, Cairenn >< |
| 23:29.30 | Wobin | K9 |
| 23:29.39 | Xuerian | But 1500$->3000$ (5000+ exported) isn't bad. per pup. |
| 23:29.45 | Xuerian | :) |
| 23:29.54 | Kirkburn | Ah, no, K9 wins :D |
| 23:30.03 | Wobin | Affirmative! |
| 23:30.44 | Cairenn | Xuerian: we bred miniatures for a (very brief) time, we bred chows for longer |
| 23:31.35 | Industrial | since when do discord addons use dynamic frames? |
| 23:31.40 | Xuerian | Cairenn, Hehe, we've got a couple miniatures running around I'm sure we'll breed sooner or later. Haven't had a chow yet... |
| 23:31.43 | Industrial | I might have to tune my opinion a bit :p |
| 23:32.25 | Industrial | but [2006/09/17 01:31:52-214]: DiscordArt\DART_Main.lua:283: Usage: DART_Texture_2_Texture:SetBlendMode("mode") |
| 23:32.26 | Industrial | :E |
| 23:33.58 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, why no doggies at the moment then? |
| 23:34.47 | Cairenn | mom & dad closed the kennel a number of years back |
| 23:35.07 | Cairenn | and I've never been in a position to be able to have a dog again, yet |
| 23:35.24 | Cairenn | emphasis on "yet" |
| 23:37.17 | zenzelezz | get a cat |
| 23:37.22 | zenzelezz | less work, just as cute |
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| 23:37.45 | Cairenn | have 2 |
| 23:37.48 | Xuerian | Less work, just as cute, generally not as devoted. >.> |
| 23:38.14 | zenzelezz | oh, they're devoted... they just show it in a different way |
| 23:38.47 | Industrial | FOOD!!!! STORM!!!! |
| 23:38.58 | Industrial | :p |
| 23:39.19 | Industrial | s/STORM/RUN/ |
| 23:41.04 | Kirkburn | Where's our kitty piccies then? |
| 23:42.06 | zenzelezz | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/muffe.jpg (don't let the name fool you, in Norwegian it's not similar to the English word...) |
| 23:43.53 | Industrial | maffe in dutch, to sleep? |
| 23:44.00 | Kirkburn | Gorgeous! |
| 23:44.35 | zenzelezz | just a name we spotted in a cat-book when she was born... I was in fourth grade or something |
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| 23:44.53 | Cairenn | awww, pretty kitty |
| 23:45.05 | Kirkburn | How do you pronounce it? |
| 23:45.35 | Xuerian | zenzelezz, cute kitty :P |
| 23:45.36 | ckknight | Undead Mage or Troll Mage? |
| 23:46.37 | ckknight | sorry guy, I just want advice |
| 23:46.43 | Wobin | undead |
| 23:46.45 | ckknight | what do people think is a better Horde race for a mage? |
| 23:46.54 | ckknight | how come, Wobin? |
| 23:47.15 | ckknight | actually, Troll's racials don't seem very suited for a caster... |
| 23:47.24 | Wobin | I'm under the impression that the racial for Trolls isn't good for ... yeah |
| 23:47.40 | Kirkburn | Horde r ugleh! Egh |
| 23:47.52 | Wobin | horde are often more interesting imo |
| 23:50.01 | Kirkburn | True |
| 23:58.30 | Cairenn | heh: http://loadingreadyrun.com/showmovie.php?x=480&y=360&url=talklikepirate.mov |
