| 00:11.15 | zenzelezz | do hunter pets drown? |
| 00:11.21 | Iriel | they float |
| 00:11.26 | Kirov | heh |
| 00:11.33 | Kirov | no, they don't have breath |
| 00:11.41 | Iriel | indeed |
| 00:13.10 | Esamynn | they're...........undead;) |
| 00:14.14 | Esamynn | and i mean real undead, not fake undead like the forsaken, who CAN drown too |
| 00:14.29 | Iriel | I prefer 'frequently dead, but not by drowning' |
| 00:14.56 | Esamynn | hehe, that too |
| 00:15.12 | zenzelezz | one other noob hunter question... do you use Mend Pet in combat or out of combat? Or both? |
| 00:15.37 | Iriel | Both |
| 00:16.00 | Iriel | though only out of combat if you're in a hurry,since they regain health themselves |
| 00:16.28 | JoshBorke | so, um, SImpleHTML frames aren't updated when you change the frame size? |
| 00:17.24 | JoshBorke | can anyone confirm/deny that? |
| 00:17.47 | Kirkburn | I must say, Windows Media Center is pretty good :) |
| 00:18.04 | JoshBorke | and there is no GetText :-( |
| 00:18.14 | Kirov | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 00:18.16 | purl | Would you like some cheese? |
| 00:18.18 | JoshBorke | wow, can i submit a feature request/bug report for this? |
| 00:18.25 | Kirov | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 00:18.26 | purl | ACTION wonders why Kirkburn is here |
| 00:18.29 | Kirov | @#%! |
| 00:18.32 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:18.40 | Kirov | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 00:18.41 | purl | Yes, Microsoft! Harder! |
| 00:18.51 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 00:18.54 | Kirkburn | Get there in the end, eh? ;) |
| 00:19.43 | Iriel | JoshBork: Interesting, I usually use thenm within a ScrollFrame so wouldn't have noticed. |
| 00:20.20 | Iriel | JoshBorke: You'll want to post a thread in the UI forum when it comes back for slouken -- ideally link a zip for a simple addon that creates a resizable SimpleHTML frame to show it |
| 00:20.30 | JoshBorke | Iriel: ko |
| 00:20.55 | JoshBorke | did i mention there's no GetText? so I have to hook SetText |
| 00:21.09 | Iriel | You did, I suspect it's deliberate |
| 00:21.19 | cladhaire | oh noes.. did the alliance raid die on draka? |
| 00:21.47 | JoshBorke | you need it clad? |
| 00:21.48 | Iriel | I suspect that the input text is converted to an intermediate form and only that is stored, I could be wrong though |
| 00:22.02 | cladhaire | we're had that raid since we made the guilds = |
| 00:22.03 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:22.18 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: If you have a moment, we should start them baack up |
| 00:22.23 | JoshBorke | np |
| 00:22.25 | JoshBorke | look for Hamarian |
| 00:22.29 | cladhaire | which side? |
| 00:22.37 | cladhaire | mind doing horde first? |
| 00:22.42 | JoshBorke | np |
| 00:22.50 | JoshBorke | one sec, different guy :-) |
| 00:22.53 | cladhaire | k |
| 00:22.59 | cladhaire | i'm cladhaire on horde. |
| 00:23.10 | JoshBorke | barm be my name |
| 00:25.30 | Qzot | <3 Synergy |
| 00:26.52 | JoshBorke | qft |
| 00:27.40 | MentalPower | later |
| 00:27.44 | Qzot | buy |
| 00:27.47 | cladhaire | thank you sir |
| 00:27.47 | Kirkburn | see ya |
| 00:28.08 | JoshBorke | np |
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| 00:28.41 | JoshBorke | woohoo! it now refreshes the frame when the size changes :-) |
| 00:28.42 | Kirkburn | Kirov, it's not as if I have Vista RC1, IE7 RC1, WMP11 Beta 2 and Office 2007 B2TR installed, I don't have _that_ much MS software installed ;) |
| 00:29.10 | cogwheel | did someone just ~emulate you, kirkburn? |
| 00:29.11 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 00:29.17 | Kirkburn | Surely not! |
| 00:30.09 | Kirkburn | And I definately didn't install WMP 11 B1, IE7 B2 Preview, B2, B3, and Office 2007 B2 before those ;) |
| 00:30.13 | zenzelezz | I keep thinking Kirkburn is really an MS PR guy on an infiltration mission |
| 00:31.01 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:31.11 | Qzot | No way. I seriously doubt he's an MS employee. |
| 00:31.26 | Qzot | More likely, some fly-by-night PR firm MS hired. |
| 00:31.46 | Iriel | An intern at the PR firm no doubt |
| 00:32.09 | Kirkburn | Bored student with too much time to spare, more like :) |
| 00:32.27 | JoshBorke | how do hyperlinks work in SimpleHTML? |
| 00:33.30 | Iriel | Define 'work' |
| 00:33.40 | Iriel | you click them and an OnHyperlinkClick handler invocation happens |
| 00:33.51 | JoshBorke | ok, cool |
| 00:35.56 | Esamynn | ok, i have determined something, drowning off the coast of Arathi sucks :( |
| 00:36.01 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:36.18 | Kirkburn | why so? |
| 00:36.26 | DrDre | Firefox 2.0 beta doesnt like WoWI :( Forces me to download files and wont let me just click open lol |
| 00:36.40 | Esamynn | Kirkburn: because the nearest GY is in the middle of the zone |
| 00:36.50 | DrDre | I guess cause of the redirect downloading it does it for security |
| 00:36.53 | Esamynn | and it's a long walk back to the pirate cove |
| 00:37.18 | Qzot | Well, at least all my nexus crystals still stack. I have *got* to give up on cornering that market. |
| 00:37.28 | zenzelezz | Barrens is still the worst zone to me, even with two graveyards it's a long way anywhere |
| 00:37.37 | zenzelezz | though dying in west Un'goro also sucks |
| 00:38.08 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: true and true |
| 00:38.31 | Esamynn | i guess there is only one solution available to us .... ;) |
| 00:42.30 | Qzot | Time to head home... |
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| 00:44.00 | JoshBorke | thanks guys :-) |
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| 00:44.02 | Esamynn | damnit, i made it to the surface but I still died! :( |
| 00:44.28 | clad|sleep | going to bed early tonight |
| 00:44.29 | clad|sleep | <3 |
| 00:44.37 | zenzelezz | those water-quests in Arathi suck |
| 00:44.41 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 00:44.48 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: no doubt about that |
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| 00:45.46 | JoshBorke | erm, if i wanted to download binaries equivalent to WoW lua, would that be 5.0.2? |
| 00:46.16 | Iriel | that should be close enough |
| 00:46.22 | Iriel | until the expansion, of course 8-) |
| 00:47.01 | Esamynn | hehe, 5.1 will really give those users who swear that blizz breaks addons with every patch something to swear about ;) |
| 00:47.57 | ckknight | I just got Ace2 and FuBar prepared |
| 00:48.18 | Esamynn | woot, made it back to my corpse before respawns so i could grab the log |
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| 00:50.19 | zenzelezz | grats =) |
| 00:50.37 | JoshBorke | thanks :-) |
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| 01:19.21 | Iriel | bye for now, back later |
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| 01:57.25 | Fructose | I'm trying to copy the frame in FrameXML/StackSplitFrame.xml, except that I'm trying to fit it inside a frame of my own. One problem I'm having is that when I try to copy its use of Texture, the texture is spread across my whole frame, when I really only want it "boxed" in an area. |
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| 02:14.12 | Fructose | If I mess with <TexCoords> it gets a bit better, but I'm just doing guess and check and don't entirely see what the values are doing. |
| 02:14.44 | Xuerian | You've looked at the wiki for the values? |
| 02:16.30 | cogwheel|MC | why is it that pretty much every bug report for my addon is caused by a bug in someone else's? |
| 02:16.48 | Xuerian | lol, cogwheel|MC. |
| 02:17.00 | Xuerian | Tell them to update :P |
| 02:17.02 | cogwheel|BWL | i'm not kidding either... |
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| 02:18.15 | cogwheel|BWL | there's still an alias gfind to string.gfind right? |
| 02:18.46 | dreyruugr | cogwheel|BWL: evil addon authors |
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| 02:18.53 | cogwheel|BWL | i ask because this is the error that was reported: Interface\Addons\BuyEmAll\BuyEmAll.lua:442:attempt to call global 'gfind' (a nil value) |
| 02:18.57 | dreyruugr | cogwheel|BWL: hooking too much, or making assumptions |
| 02:19.02 | cogwheel|BWL | obviously it's a BuyEmAll bug :P |
| 02:19.12 | Xuerian | I missed whatever you asked :p |
| 02:19.56 | cogwheel|BWL | there's still an alias to string.gfind called gfind? |
| 02:22.35 | zenzelezz | cogwheel|BWL: typing /script gfind() in-game gives the same error you showed, while typing /script string.gfind() complains of missing arguments... so I guess pure gfind may be gone |
| 02:22.42 | zenzelezz | though that's blind assumption on my part |
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| 02:23.06 | cogwheel|BWL | maybe they removed it in 1.12.... |
| 02:23.39 | cogwheel|BWL | considering it worked fine until now... |
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| 02:34.09 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 <-- checkout my new screenshot hehe |
| 02:37.41 | zenzelezz | where? |
| 02:38.49 | cogwheel|BWL | click the red arrow in the upper left |
| 02:39.31 | Xuerian | warla: Does it automatically animate the screenshot? o_0 |
| 02:39.35 | cogwheel|BWL | warla, you look like my wife's lock but with brown hair ;) |
| 02:40.02 | Fructose | Xuerian: Sorry, going back a bit... The wiki just says "Elements: TexCoords, Color, Gradient"... and TexCoords is not linked to |
| 02:40.07 | zenzelezz | ah, funky |
| 02:40.36 | Xuerian | Fructose, pastebin a segment of your code with what your'e trying to modify in it :P |
| 02:44.29 | warla | heh |
| 02:44.56 | Xuerian | warla: I bow to your pet collection |
| 02:45.01 | warla | lol ya |
| 02:45.05 | warla | i collect mounts and pets |
| 02:45.12 | warla | and they use up like all my bank slots :-/ |
| 02:45.22 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 02:45.39 | warla | i started transferring gold on my alts to prevent me from buying more mounts |
| 02:45.45 | warla | i simply cannt hold more |
| 02:45.46 | warla | heh |
| 02:45.51 | Xuerian | lol! |
| 02:46.00 | warla | checkout my middle bottomless bag |
| 02:46.03 | warla | the one i have equipped |
| 02:46.10 | warla | its stuffed full of mounts |
| 02:46.19 | Xuerian | Zulian tiger? Geez |
| 02:46.30 | warla | heh ya |
| 02:46.33 | warla | lucky 99 roll ^^ |
| 02:46.38 | warla | was server first drop |
| 02:46.42 | Xuerian | Haha, nice |
| 02:46.49 | Fructose | http://wowi.pastey.net/983 |
| 02:47.41 | Xuerian | Fructose: I'm assuming it's insets. distance from the edge, positive or negative values |
| 02:48.28 | Xuerian | and 0.x is a rather small (read: tiny) movement |
| 02:48.39 | Xuerian | s/tiny/miniscule/ |
| 02:48.40 | warla | too bad lua doesnt provide you details about your character model... |
| 02:48.59 | Xuerian | What sort of details? |
| 02:49.12 | warla | else you could run wowmodelview on the server |
| 02:49.19 | warla | and create such screenshots on the fly |
| 02:49.25 | warla | when people upload their chars... |
| 02:49.38 | warla | well details like |
| 02:49.41 | warla | type of hair |
| 02:49.44 | warla | skin color |
| 02:49.45 | warla | e.t.c |
| 02:50.03 | warla | does anyone of you know www.wc3sear.ch ? |
| 02:50.11 | Xuerian | Ahh =\ |
| 02:50.28 | Xuerian | Yeah, I went there when I got dragged into a wc3 stint |
| 02:50.38 | warla | there i use also server side applications that convert tga/blp/jpg on the fly |
| 02:50.53 | warla | www.wc3sear.ch is made by me :-) i have huge troubles with the ISP |
| 02:50.59 | warla | he hates me for the site |
| 02:51.02 | Xuerian | Lol |
| 02:51.05 | Xuerian | Insane loads? |
| 02:51.06 | warla | friggin 1.5 terra traffic a month |
| 02:51.08 | warla | ya |
| 02:51.13 | warla | and it doesnt go down |
| 02:51.14 | Xuerian | hfc o_o |
| 02:51.25 | warla | every year i think.. well.. the game must lose interrest soon |
| 02:51.35 | warla | but traffic increases and i get more and more visitors |
| 02:51.36 | Xuerian | lol |
| 02:51.36 | warla | :-/ |
| 02:51.38 | Xuerian | Why do you keep it going? |
| 02:51.58 | warla | would suck for all the people that still enjoy modding war3 |
| 02:52.07 | warla | i have 20k unique visitors a day |
| 02:52.10 | Kirkburn | Dammit, my codec pack no worky with Vista :/ |
| 02:52.14 | Xuerian | This is true. |
| 02:52.16 | Xuerian | And holy crap =O |
| 02:52.19 | Xuerian | Geez... |
| 02:52.30 | Xuerian | Well, blizzard knows how to make popular games =\ |
| 02:52.31 | warla | and i have some panic.. if i put up my profiler webpage... |
| 02:52.43 | warla | and that thing will have a lot visitors as well |
| 02:52.48 | Xuerian | Profiler? |
| 02:52.50 | warla | my ISP is gonna send over some people to shoot me |
| 02:52.52 | warla | ya |
| 02:52.56 | Xuerian | As in WoW profiles? |
| 02:53.00 | Fructose | Xuerian: I try to change the values and I just can't get it to do what I want. |
| 02:53.04 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 <-- |
| 02:53.09 | warla | ya |
| 02:53.17 | Xuerian | Fructose: What do you want it to do? |
| 02:53.18 | Fructose | Xuerian: I just want it to be the same size as shape as the original |
| 02:53.21 | warla | i'm working on a mod/page |
| 02:53.31 | warla | that makes it easy to upload any wow char |
| 02:53.31 | Xuerian | The origional is commented or what? |
| 02:53.54 | Xuerian | Wowkb.com, that's you? |
| 02:54.16 | Xuerian | Er... wowledgebase. |
| 02:54.19 | warla | ya |
| 02:54.25 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 |
| 02:54.34 | warla | thats where i currently have the scripts running |
| 02:54.56 | Xuerian | Nice =D... But owch, I can't imagine the traffic jump.... If WC3 gets 1.5tb, I don't want to imagine what WoW would get alone, for a profile service that functional |
| 02:55.06 | warla | ya :-( |
| 02:55.11 | warla | thats what i'm afraid of |
| 02:55.46 | Xuerian | How do you manage to host the first one? Aside from the host being a good one - even if ready to shoot you- |
| 02:56.00 | warla | to pay that kinda traffic i'd have to put up like 4 meters long advertisments on the page lol |
| 02:56.03 | Nightdew | what the best way to get the types of debuffs...? magic/poison/disease ..? |
| 02:56.13 | warla | well i kinda pay the page out of my own pocket |
| 02:56.20 | warla | i get some cash back from google ads |
| 02:56.29 | warla | but those cover only a small fraction |
| 02:56.29 | Xuerian | I think there's a lib to do it, nightdew, if you're not a anti-libzi. |
| 02:56.43 | Xuerian | Sheesh, Warla |
| 02:56.44 | Nightdew | anti-libzi? |
| 02:56.52 | Xuerian | "Against embeds" |
| 02:56.52 | Xuerian | :p |
| 02:56.57 | Nightdew | lol hardly |
| 02:57.10 | Xuerian | I THINK periodictable does it, try the wowace.com wiki |
| 02:57.30 | Fructose | Xuerian: The original is FrameXML/StackSplitFrame.xml |
| 02:57.36 | Xuerian | Er no |
| 02:57.41 | Xuerian | I guess it's not =\ |
| 02:57.56 | warla | one of the benefits of www.wc3sear.ch were the scripts i wrote :-) my php scripts parse maps, extract infos, create minimap jpgs even parses wow models and tell infos |
| 02:57.57 | Xuerian | I'd ask in #wowace, there should be oen that does it |
| 02:58.02 | Fructose | Xuerian: (The frame you get when you shift-click a stack.) |
| 02:58.21 | Xuerian | s/oen/one/ |
| 02:58.31 | Xuerian | Fructose: I'll look in a second |
| 02:59.56 | Xuerian | warla: I'm definately impressed with what wc3s does already, and what wlb does so far. It's a shame it'd be such a stretch to do it =\ |
| 03:00.46 | warla | heh ya |
| 03:00.54 | warla | the problem is not to make the site |
| 03:01.00 | warla | problem is to afford the traffic :-/ |
| 03:02.06 | warla | when i started wc3sear.ch.... i was on a smaller ISP... after a while he contacted me and told me i currently use up 98% of their line capacity... |
| 03:02.15 | Xuerian | Wow 0_o;; |
| 03:02.20 | warla | so they tossed me heh |
| 03:02.35 | warla | then i switched to one of the biggest ISP here in switzerland |
| 03:03.00 | Xuerian | And even they're taking heavy hits from it? |
| 03:03.21 | warla | ya |
| 03:03.27 | warla | they are very big isp |
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| 03:03.45 | warla | they say they dont earn any cash from me... but theres other customer with crappy pages |
| 03:03.48 | warla | they pay the same |
| 03:03.54 | warla | so it evens out |
| 03:03.58 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 03:05.01 | Xuerian | Guess it would be a pain to attach yourself to a network or current site for hosting, having to deal with all their conditions and stuff |
| 03:05.25 | warla | heh propably |
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| 03:05.51 | warla | beside not many sites can afford that kinda traffic |
| 03:06.08 | Xuerian | You've looked into a bunch of other hosts already? |
| 03:06.17 | warla | ya |
| 03:06.19 | warla | of course |
| 03:06.53 | warla | anyway once my profiler scripts / mod is finished i'll let it run and check how it turns out |
| 03:07.11 | warla | if the traffic is bereable i can let it on some ok webspace... |
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| 03:07.25 | warla | if people excessively use it = screwed up again |
| 03:07.43 | Xuerian | =\ |
| 03:08.00 | Xuerian | It's definately good enough to ask for donations, if you're not against that kind of thing. |
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| 03:08.46 | warla | ya |
| 03:08.54 | warla | i ask for donations from tiome to time |
| 03:08.58 | warla | which usually works |
| 03:09.30 | warla | what i dont like is add too much adventisement crap on the page |
| 03:10.03 | dreyruugr | donations for what thing? |
| 03:10.07 | dreyruugr | <- came in late |
| 03:10.09 | warla | website stuff |
| 03:10.15 | Xuerian | Wb, dreyruugr :P |
| 03:10.25 | dreyruugr | :) |
| 03:15.47 | Xuerian | Fructose: How DOES it display right now? |
| 03:17.12 | Fructose | Xuerian: The texture? |
| 03:17.19 | Xuerian | The frame with the texture |
| 03:17.34 | Fructose | Xuerian: The whole thing would be complicated to explain :) |
| 03:17.42 | Xuerian | Screenshot? :p |
| 03:17.52 | Fructose | Know a good place to post one? |
| 03:18.58 | Xuerian | imageshack.us |
| 03:19.25 | Kirkburn | Aieee, Vista has locked up in the middle of defragging - unable to do anything, but I can't turn it off cause it's still going :/ |
| 03:20.04 | Xuerian | 0_o; |
| 03:20.13 | Xuerian | Erk >< |
| 03:21.01 | Kirkburn | No reponse from mouse or keyboard or power button (which should send it to sleep mode), but the hdd is thrashing like crazy |
| 03:21.27 | sublemon | Hey I'm still kind of new to lua, but can I compare tables to arrays? More over can I apply the same methods to tables as arrays? |
| 03:21.30 | Xuerian | New zerg defrag routines? |
| 03:21.35 | Fructose | http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9885/sswp1.jpg |
| 03:21.56 | Xuerian | You mean are they reminicent of, or actual arrays and tables? |
| 03:22.12 | Fructose | That's with <TexCoords left="0" right="0.9" top="0" bottom="0.99"/> |
| 03:22.32 | Xuerian | Fructose: The dimensions of your texture itself are larget |
| 03:22.37 | Xuerian | s/larget/larger/ |
| 03:22.41 | Xuerian | so it stretches |
| 03:24.10 | sublemon | Xuerian, are they the same? I was going through the LUA manual and saw variable declarations, but nothing mentioned of arrays and then I saw tables and thought that was the same as an array |
| 03:24.32 | Xuerian | Coming from PHP, tables are very similar to arrays |
| 03:24.42 | Xuerian | Not the same, but similar :) |
| 03:24.47 | sublemon | ah |
| 03:25.10 | Xuerian | Look through the tables part of the LUA manual. |
| 03:25.40 | sublemon | Xuerian, yeah reading over it a couple of times, just needed the assurance from more experienced people. |
| 03:26.15 | Xuerian | Tables are 3d, too... table = {a = 1, b = {1, 2, "zulu"}}, and then table.b[3] == "zulu" |
| 03:26.38 | sublemon | Not used to the syntax |
| 03:26.47 | Xuerian | what are you coming off of? |
| 03:26.51 | sublemon | VB |
| 03:26.56 | sublemon | .NET |
| 03:27.00 | Xuerian | can't compare there =\ |
| 03:27.04 | Fructose | Xuerian: Not sure I understand. What should I change? |
| 03:27.21 | sublemon | its close. I used to do PHP so I'm not affraid of the C style syntax, just rusty |
| 03:29.01 | sublemon | Next question would be... Obviously the more information I cram into the tables the bigger the LUA and the more time it will take to parse a table. Are there limits? |
| 03:29.37 | Xuerian | Well, LUA is funky to get used to but makes complete sense after a few days :) The nice thing is you can do something like, where function bla(a, b, c)... then later table = {1, 2, 3); bla(unpack(table)) .... And I don't know, lol. I just started five days ago ;p |
| 03:29.56 | sublemon | heh |
| 03:29.57 | sublemon | me too. |
| 03:30.19 | Xuerian | Fructose: <AbsDimension x="172" y="96"/> is the size of the frame in the splitframe.xml. maybe you should put the texture in a child frame of the tooltip? |
| 03:30.47 | Xuerian | sublemon: Try the #wowace channel for performance issues, they're generally extremely performance-oriented |
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| 03:31.51 | sublemon | I wrote a VB app that controls iTunes, but I couldn't get information in or out. So I'm adding in a "Build LUA" function that will take a playlist and drop it into a table so the song info can be shown. THe harder part is adding a global keyboard hook so I can control track skipping and play/pause |
| 03:31.57 | sublemon | that is a pain right there |
| 03:32.45 | Xuerian | Are you wanting to code this, or coding for necessity? |
| 03:32.56 | sublemon | I found some good references for .NET but I think it might be out of my scope as of right now. |
| 03:33.00 | sublemon | Xuerian, both. |
| 03:33.32 | sublemon | But I am affraid that it will be too complex and there fore people won't use it. |
| 03:33.41 | Xuerian | Well it's not a 'you should switch', but with a few plugins from the same site, foobar2000 is a extremely nice replacement for Itunes, unless you buy all your music through it, and global control is extremely easy |
| 03:33.55 | sublemon | Really? |
| 03:34.03 | Xuerian | Yep |
| 03:34.07 | Xuerian | It's lighter to boot. |
| 03:34.43 | Xuerian | www.foobar2000.org -- The only caveat is that it's completely modular: it comes with a very basic and powerful core, and there's addons of every descript scattered (clumped) in their forums :) |
| 03:36.04 | zenzelezz | I never liked the name of that thing :-o |
| 03:36.32 | Xuerian | It's like FuBar. Name sucks. Not so good without plugins. But it works great and has a great userbase :P |
| 03:37.29 | Xuerian | With the DirectSound2 plugin, it has features very few other players have, like smooth-seek/trackchange |
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| 03:38.02 | Xuerian | not sure if that's been ported to 0.9 yet... |
| 03:42.51 | sublemon | Very cool |
| 03:42.57 | sublemon | this helps me out. |
| 03:43.35 | sublemon | I know Blizz will eventually add iTunes for PC, just looking for a patch |
| 03:43.37 | Xuerian | Keybindings are in the preferences menu, makes ure you check global, and then add the bind, then it works overall :) |
| 03:43.43 | Xuerian | Heh, yeah, no doubt. |
| 03:46.12 | sublemon | the one downside to my addon was the fact that you had to run another program at all times while using iTunes for the keybinding and as well if you want song info you have to create a playlist and then generate the LUA each time before you launch WoW. Not very user friendly |
| 03:46.33 | sublemon | I say one downside when I mean multiple downsides |
| 03:47.48 | Xuerian | Heh |
| 03:47.59 | Xuerian | Not to mention there's already a addon that makes playlists and lets wow do the playing |
| 03:49.27 | sublemon | Yeah, but I thought that when you switch to another instance or a BG that it will fire off that areas sound and cancel your action |
| 03:50.34 | Xuerian | I think it accounts for that.... Not sure o_0 |
| 03:50.44 | Xuerian | Check ui.worldofwar and curse for the latest version, I'm sure it tells |
| 03:51.32 | sublemon | Ah well, I appreciate the info, this makes me happy. |
| 03:52.00 | sublemon | I'll make a simple UI mod to bind keys to Play/Pause, Next and Prev buttons |
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| 03:52.46 | Xuerian | Heheh, that works |
| 03:53.38 | sublemon | :P |
| 03:53.48 | sublemon | night |
| 03:55.00 | Xuerian | 'Night |
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| 03:56.42 | Osagasu | It won't let me open the Khaos menu while I'm dead. o.O |
| 03:57.31 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 04:11.48 | Corrodias | whoa, it's hard to click and type when drunk |
| 04:11.56 | Corrodias | adn/or |
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| 04:14.03 | Corrodias | i'm about to email someone that we need the heaters turned on in the rooms soon for safety purposes -- that is, so i don't have to kick somebody in the nuts |
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| 04:17.29 | Corrodias | while attempting to remove my friend from a theatre tonight (it had a female in it), i managed to trip him so he fell on me and i got my glasses slightly bent |
| 04:17.35 | Corrodias | however, i think they're pretty close to good now |
| 04:18.15 | Cairenn | your friend was embedded in a theater was he? |
| 04:18.46 | Corrodias | i said it had a woman in it! :) |
| 04:19.11 | Corrodias | still think i need to adjust the nosepads slightly |
| 04:19.15 | Cairenn | so she was embedded in it to? odd theater, embeds people in it's structure |
| 04:19.19 | Cairenn | its* |
| 04:19.23 | Cairenn | too* |
| 04:20.11 | Corrodias | behind a counter, with a speaker on it |
| 04:20.22 | Corrodias | he couldn't fondle her from there |
| 04:20.23 | norgs | i'm pretty sure theater's never used to embed people |
| 04:20.47 | Cairenn | norgs: this new fangled technology, I tell ya ... |
| 04:21.22 | Corrodias | i hate glasses. i really do. |
| 04:21.24 | norgs | the things they'll call theater these day... used to be all cultural |
| 04:21.31 | Corrodias | i have new glasses at home, in fact, but hate them, too |
| 04:21.34 | norgs | now it's only "educational" |
| 04:21.56 | Corrodias | actually, i'm ready to sleep for a day or two |
| 04:24.49 | norgs | boy - tired already |
| 04:24.59 | norgs | it's only 2:15pm here |
| 04:25.20 | Corrodias | it's impossible to get the glasses to feel exactly like they used to. i must accept that. i must settle for having them feel good. |
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| 04:25.45 | Cairenn | Corrodias: fix them tomorrow, when you aren't still drunk |
| 04:25.47 | norgs | No contacts Corrodias ? |
| 04:25.59 | Cairenn | if you keep trying now, you're just gonna end up breaking them completely |
| 04:26.10 | Corrodias | i'm actually almost completely sober, now |
| 04:26.17 | Corrodias | my slow typing is partly a result of the cold in this room |
| 04:26.45 | Cairenn | still ... |
| 04:26.51 | Corrodias | and no, i tried contact lenses once, but i despised having anything on my eyes |
| 04:27.29 | Cairenn | and that's another point too, if it's that cold, you shouldn't be trying to do such delicate work |
| 04:28.41 | Corrodias | we adjusted them pretty well at the place we went to after the bar, in fact, and they're pretty damn close. tomorrow i'll work on them more. |
| 04:28.56 | Cairenn | good plan |
| 04:28.58 | Corrodias | i have new glasses at home, actually, but i despise them also as feeling different |
| 04:29.45 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:29.49 | Corrodias | i was numb. that hasn't happened before. |
| 04:30.05 | Cairenn | new glasses are always ... odd ... for the first while |
| 04:30.36 | Corrodias | in addition, these are rectuangular, with lower effectiveness toward the sides than i'm used to, while mine here are more eliptical |
| 04:32.54 | Corrodias | so it's not just the power and frames that feel different, but also the lens shape itself :( |
| 04:33.01 | Corrodias | pisses me off after about 10 minutes |
| 04:38.52 | Cairenn | *nod* |
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| 04:47.16 | ckknight | hey all |
| 04:48.56 | Cairenn | hey ckknight |
| 04:49.01 | Cairenn | how's life treating ya? |
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| 04:50.36 | ckknight | I'm okay |
| 04:50.39 | ckknight | just had stew |
| 04:51.20 | Cairenn | hopefully you won't get food poisoning from it this time round ... |
| 04:51.49 | ckknight | I should be fine |
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| 05:10.47 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 05:10.59 | zenzelezz | sweet dreams |
| 05:11.08 | Xuerian | 'night Cairenn|sleep :) |
| 05:13.10 | Fructose | Xuerian: So here's what I try now: http://wowi.pastey.net/984 |
| 05:13.51 | Fructose | Xuerian: Nothing shows up and if I do /dump GR_Quantity:IsVisible() I get an empty result. Is it something dumb like |
| 05:13.57 | Fructose | hidden="faslse"? |
| 05:14.00 | Fructose | *false |
| 05:14.34 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.41 | ckknight | do that for me |
| 05:16.33 | Fructose | 1 |
| 05:16.46 | ckknight | its parent isn't shown. |
| 05:16.58 | Fructose | Then why can I see it? |
| 05:17.02 | ckknight | oh |
| 05:17.07 | Fructose | Well.. |
| 05:17.11 | ckknight | then :IsVisible() should be true, then. |
| 05:17.13 | Fructose | It wasn't open at that moment... hold on |
| 05:17.20 | Fructose | :-) |
| 05:18.23 | Fructose | IsShown() and IsVisible() are both 1 when I have it open :) |
| 05:19.02 | Fructose | GR_Quantity isn't visible to me, though. It's parent is. |
| 05:19.54 | ckknight | okay... |
| 05:21.12 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 05:21.17 | ckknight | I don't like XML |
| 05:21.19 | Fructose | Also, if I get rid of its parent and replace its parent, it doesn't show up :) |
| 05:21.34 | Fructose | That is, make GR_Quantity into GR_ItemRefTooltip |
| 05:25.55 | Fructose | Oh, now I see it, that it's not hiding behind the original tooltip |
| 05:26.58 | Osagasu | It feels SO DAMN GOOD to give a shadow-priest turned healbot a reason to paly by showing him the wonders of Searing Light / Force of Will. |
| 05:27.02 | Osagasu | **play |
| 05:27.20 | Xuerian | Searing Light? |
| 05:27.28 | Xuerian | Please tell me that's not a instant damage holy beam-like attack |
| 05:27.52 | Osagasu | No, it's a talent that increases smite and holy fire damage byt 10% |
| 05:27.55 | Osagasu | for two points |
| 05:28.08 | Xuerian | Was going to say... >_> |
| 05:29.02 | Osagasu | He was afraid he wouldn't be able to damage anything once he went into endgame, so I showed him a build that took full advantage of the holy damage talents and Power Infusion. |
| 05:30.02 | Osagasu | I then spent half an hour showing him gear options that wouldn't make the mages and warlocks mad at him for taking their items |
| 05:30.43 | Xuerian | lol |
| 05:30.45 | Xuerian | He likes it? |
| 05:30.52 | Osagasu | Oh yeah. |
| 05:32.14 | Osagasu | I have a feeling I'll be dying a LOT less in the supression rooms. |
| 05:32.21 | Osagasu | ;) |
| 05:32.24 | Xuerian | Hehehe |
| 05:32.28 | Osagasu | Well, good night. |
| 05:32.40 | Xuerian | Sleep well =) |
| 05:43.58 | Fructose | So if there is another mod out there that puts it frame in the same place as mine, how do I make mine adjust to go down farther insert itself between the two? |
| 05:44.06 | Fructose | *or insert |
| 05:45.03 | Xuerian | if IsAddOnLoaded("NameOfAddon") then whatever end. I don't know about automatically detecting it :) |
| 05:45.41 | Fructose | Hmm. That seems ineffective against all those addons I don't know about :) |
| 05:46.14 | Xuerian | pretty much. v_v |
| 06:00.10 | Corrodias | it seems one of my addons tends to keep me from being disconnected for AFK, deliberately or otherwise |
| 06:04.12 | Xuerian | Hah, nice. Maybe one that uses the addon channel and broadcasts regularly? |
| 06:04.34 | Corrodias | possibly. maybe it's Guild Event Manager. |
| 06:05.05 | Xuerian | Seems like a nice side effect :P |
| 06:09.01 | Corrodias | i certainly appreciate it when i have those unintended naps |
| 06:09.02 | zenzelezz | I remember leaving my char in a low-level area once (at 60) to do something, and coming back after a bit to find my chat window spammed repeatedly with "You are now AFK: Away from keyboard. You are no longer AFK." |
| 06:09.20 | Corrodias | same thing, zenzelezz. |
| 06:09.21 | zenzelezz | I had been auto-marked, but then some lowbie mob started hitting me, so it unmarked me, remarked... |
| 06:09.38 | Xuerian | haha |
| 06:09.40 | Corrodias | oooh. different situation. how amusing! but it remarked you while being hit? >_> |
| 06:09.52 | zenzelezz | between hits actually |
| 06:10.24 | zenzelezz | it seemed like my client was determined I should be AFK, but the server disagreed |
| 06:11.37 | Corrodias | haha |
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| 06:40.04 | Fructose | Is there a way to use the infinity symbol in strings? |
| 06:42.12 | Iriel | If you have a font that supports it and know its UTF-8 encoding, then yes |
| 06:46.32 | Fructose | Hmm. Now it's telling me that RegisterForSave() is only available for Blizzard scripts |
| 06:47.14 | Xuerian | You set your saved variables in the toc file |
| 06:47.34 | Fructose | What saved variables? |
| 06:48.35 | Xuerian | For example, XLoot, there's a line in the toc file for it's database/saved variable: ## SavedVariables: XLootDB |
| 06:48.51 | Xuerian | You can't call registerforsave anymore, it was restricted by blizzard. |
| 06:49.04 | Fructose | I don't call it. |
| 06:49.14 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 06:49.20 | Iriel | Did you hook something that does? |
| 06:49.49 | Fructose | I don't think so. The error isn't for my script anyway. |
| 06:50.29 | Fructose | It's for some other AddOn that has been loading fine for a while |
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| 07:01.56 | Fructose | OK, got that one figured out... |
| 07:02.17 | Iriel | Night all |
| 07:02.31 | Xuerian | 'night Iriel |
| 07:02.32 | Fructose | But if I do... <Frame name="foo"><Scripts><OnLoad>RunScript();</OnLoad></Scripts></Frame>... |
| 07:02.58 | Fructose | ...shouldn't RunScript() be run at least once no matter how the frame is opened? |
| 07:03.27 | Iriel | Yes, RunScript() (with nothing inside it it's kinda useless) will run right when your addon loads |
| 07:03.44 | Fructose | Well, I'm trying to intialize GR_Quantity.val |
| 07:03.56 | Iriel | Is it a SavedVariable ? |
| 07:04.14 | Fructose | No |
| 07:04.22 | Fructose | I don't want to save it between sessions or anything |
| 07:04.42 | Iriel | Is GR_Quantity a frame? |
| 07:04.46 | Fructose | Yeah |
| 07:05.00 | Iriel | And in your OnLoad do you just do <OnLoad>this.val = 0</OnLoad> |
| 07:05.04 | Iriel | or something like that? |
| 07:05.35 | Fructose | I was doing GR_QuantityOnLoad which does GR_Quantity.val = 0; |
| 07:05.51 | Fructose | But I was also doing message("blah"); which I never saw |
| 07:05.57 | Iriel | And you're sure GR_QuantityOnLoad is defined by that point? |
| 07:06.13 | Iriel | And you're sure you have no errors in your FrameXML.log about malformed XML? |
| 07:06.15 | Fructose | It's in the script file I specify before the frame is |
| 07:06.37 | Iriel | I dont really like using message() during startup because it can only display one thing |
| 07:06.50 | Fructose | Hmm, OK |
| 07:06.51 | Iriel | ChatFrame2:AddMessage("stuff") can be better because the combat log gets less spam on login |
| 07:08.02 | Fructose | Don't see it |
| 07:08.18 | Iriel | And no errors in FrameXML.log? |
| 07:08.37 | Iriel | Double check the file is listed correctly in your .toc |
| 07:09.15 | Fructose | Nope |
| 07:09.23 | Fructose | Which file? |
| 07:09.30 | Iriel | the .lua file |
| 07:09.42 | Fructose | Well, I know it runs... |
| 07:09.49 | Fructose | I have another message() going |
| 07:09.57 | Fructose | But, I just tried this.val = 0; |
| 07:10.02 | Fructose | Same problem |
| 07:10.28 | Fructose | And there are errors, but not to do with my addon |
| 07:11.01 | Iriel | well, that doesn'talways mean they can't mess with your addon, but it is less likely in those cases |
| 07:11.44 | Fructose | attempt to index a global 'GR_Quantity' (a nil value) |
| 07:12.05 | Iriel | That sounds like you're running code against GR_Quantity before the frame is created |
| 07:12.11 | Iriel | Assuming the frame *IS* ever created |
| 07:12.12 | Fructose | GR_Quantity.val = GR_Quantity.val + 1; |
| 07:12.18 | Fructose | That's the line |
| 07:12.28 | Fructose | Well, I can see it |
| 07:12.28 | Iriel | the problem is that the frame doesn't exist |
| 07:12.32 | Iriel | not thhat val hasn't been set up |
| 07:12.51 | Iriel | You didn't do anything silly like # SavedVariables: GR_Quantity |
| 07:12.53 | Iriel | ? |
| 07:13.32 | Fructose | Damn it |
| 07:13.57 | Fructose | Wrote Quanity twice |
| 07:14.03 | Iriel | heh |
| 07:14.05 | Fructose | >:( |
| 07:14.22 | Iriel | Another mystery solved, I can sleep now! |
| 07:14.27 | Iriel | have fun |
| 07:14.31 | Fructose | Thansk |
| 07:14.34 | Fructose | See, did it again |
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| 07:25.48 | Corrodias | man, so many people make "compilations" and preconfigs... |
| 07:26.03 | Fructose | Of addons? |
| 07:26.17 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 07:26.38 | Fructose | Why? |
| 07:26.43 | Fructose | Kind of pointless |
| 07:27.01 | Corrodias | apparently they think other people want to play with their UI's. |
| 07:27.04 | Fructose | Preconfigs maybe |
| 07:27.21 | Corrodias | rather than, say, gathering their own set of addons with their own preferences in midn |
| 07:27.36 | Corrodias | it may be to reduce the work involved, but it would take a while to learn their new UI anyway |
| 07:27.40 | Fructose | I can see someone complaining that the CT_RaidAssist default options suck and release their own preconfig |
| 07:28.13 | Fructose | Well, I'm working on soemthing that'll hopefully end addon update nightmares |
| 07:29.00 | Corrodias | oh no... |
| 07:29.23 | Corrodias | i find my nightmares come from the idea of using some sort of system that automatically changes the versions of my stuff |
| 07:29.47 | Fructose | Just the version? As in, just the .toc? |
| 07:30.01 | Corrodias | no |
| 07:30.32 | Corrodias | oh, this is a fantastic warning in SCT's latest version, "If you have any older Ace2 based mods installed, you may need to update the Ace2 libraries for them.". Wasn't one of the goals of embedded libararies like Ace2 to keep you from having to screw with that? |
| 07:31.26 | Fructose | Corrodias: Oh, so by automatically, you meant without the ability to intervene? |
| 07:32.44 | Corrodias | i mean... like Steam, for example |
| 07:33.43 | CrazyMYKL | good luck, there's no way for addons to access outside files or websites |
| 07:34.15 | Corrodias | i don't think he was talking about making an addon that updates itself... |
| 07:35.23 | Fructose | No, I wasn't, and yes, there are ways |
| 07:35.46 | Corrodias | and now you have me wondering what you mean by that |
| 07:36.48 | Fructose | Just that Blizzard hasn't written a hack-proof API |
| 07:38.21 | Wobin | Corrodias: yes. |
| 07:38.24 | Corrodias | your vague hint has not satisfied me, but it indicates that you would rather keep it to yourself. forget it, then. |
| 07:38.26 | Wobin | That is the point of Ace2 |
| 07:38.36 | Wobin | And chances are, that warning is entirely unnecessary |
| 07:38.52 | Wobin | unless you're using some of the beta stuff |
| 07:39.03 | Wobin | Which is pretty old by now |
| 07:39.22 | Fructose | Corrodias: You're making the unfounded assumption that I know how to hack something rather than that I know writing something hack-proof is virtually impossible |
| 07:40.36 | Corrodias | you stated that there -are- ways for addons to access files. if you're basing that on an assumption that the API is flawed in such a way as to allow it, i'd say yours is the unfounded one, because there has been no indication to me, and you have given no evidence, that that is the case. |
| 07:41.46 | Fructose | Corrodias: I know that Blizzard uses an XML and Lua interpreter. That's all I need to know to say with complete confidence that there is a way to remotely access files using a WoW AddOn. |
| 07:42.50 | Fructose | Corrodias: At least, combined with the fact that it's running on an insterilized environment, like Windows. |
| 07:43.42 | Fructose | Corrodias: Without that fact, I'm only about 95% sure |
| 07:43.42 | Corrodias | someone just defended yet another LFG addon after i questioned its value in the context of all the previously available addons for the same purpose |
| 07:43.42 | Xuerian|Coma | 'night |
| 07:44.04 | Fructose | Xuerian|Coma: Thanks for the help. |
| 07:44.18 | Corrodias | i can't imagine what you mean by insterilized |
| 07:44.49 | Corrodias | but i'm interested that a string parser and a language interpreter with necessary libraries removed presents a security hole to you |
| 07:45.01 | krka | give proof of concept instead of vague statements |
| 07:45.02 | Wobin | ~define insterillize |
| 07:45.08 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 07:45.08 | Fructose | The U button is next to the I button. Give me some credit. I type in caps with full punctuation for goodness sake. :) |
| 07:45.09 | Wobin | ~define insterilize |
| 07:45.10 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 07:45.14 | Wobin | ~dict insterilize |
| 07:45.28 | krka | ~dict unsterilized |
| 07:45.30 | Corrodias | i wasn't referring to any spelling mistake, but rather to the concept |
| 07:45.52 | Corrodias | windows is not an infection, unless you want to bring OS politics into it |
| 07:45.52 | Wobin | oh un |
| 07:46.35 | krka | not sure how you go from "blizzard has an xml and lua interpreter" to "you can remotely access files using a wow addon" |
| 07:46.45 | krka | it's not immediately obvious to me |
| 07:46.46 | Wobin | But honestly, I'd be interested in your conceptualisations |
| 07:46.55 | Fructose | krka: I've written compilers, that's why. |
| 07:47.03 | krka | go on |
| 07:47.11 | Wobin | So, what are some ways to use them to achieve external access? |
| 07:47.30 | Wobin | I thought Blizzard had effectively sandboxed the lua interpreter |
| 07:47.32 | Fructose | Typically it involves finding a buffer overflow |
| 07:47.39 | Wobin | oh |
| 07:47.41 | krka | i hate the argument "I did X, so just take my word for it" |
| 07:47.47 | Wobin | well. not an overly reliable method =) |
| 07:47.48 | Fructose | You overwrite into memory and execute memory in that location, causing your own code to execute |
| 07:47.49 | Corrodias | now that's more like it |
| 07:47.56 | Fructose | Wobin: It's very reliable if you can find a way |
| 07:47.59 | Corrodias | actually, Wobin, within a single version of WoW, it can be |
| 07:48.10 | Wobin | Ah, but not something I'd want to use in an addon =) |
| 07:48.22 | Fructose | No, of course not. |
| 07:49.04 | Wobin | (I guess I meant reliable as more legally acceptable =)) |
| 07:49.23 | Fructose | krka: Yes, you're absolutely right to question that. I'm just tired. I shouldn't have put it that way, sorry. |
| 07:49.40 | Fructose | Wobin: It's not illegal |
| 07:49.46 | Wobin | well morally |
| 07:49.57 | Fructose | uh |
| 07:50.03 | Wobin | okay |
| 07:50.05 | Wobin | bad definitions |
| 07:50.09 | Wobin | semantics and all |
| 07:50.25 | Fructose | It's not worth getting your IP banned, maybe :) |
| 07:50.25 | Wobin | It's not a method I'd use in an addon I'd want to release |
| 07:50.42 | Fructose | And you would be breaking Blizzard's Terms of Use |
| 07:50.46 | Wobin | aye |
| 07:50.51 | Corrodias | it depends on what you mean by legal. if you refer to "they can put me in jail for it", because there's a federal or state law against it, no. if you mean "they can delete your account", yes, because it's a violation of the laws stated in the ToS or EULA, i don't know which. |
| 07:50.56 | krka | i can accept that there is a slight chance of buffer overflow bugs in blizzards xml parser or luas parser |
| 07:51.02 | Fructose | I personally don't think those are legally binding, but some judges disagree. |
| 07:51.11 | Fructose | krka: Slight is an understatement |
| 07:51.16 | Wobin | I personally think it's not worth the effort =) |
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| 07:51.42 | Corrodias | well, this was more about the absolute possibility |
| 07:51.50 | Eufe | morning |
| 07:51.55 | krka | imo, buffer overflow bugs are easily avoided by using some nice string handling tools |
| 07:51.58 | Corrodias | i'd certainly like to see an example if one could be found. |
| 07:52.04 | krka | such as java default, or c++ stl |
| 07:52.48 | Wobin | Two strings walk into a bar, the first one says "I'd like a bourboaisdfnoi4nfo34unhy6jrfiwhy6j7umnfiseufniu4ns3i4fun34ifunsekfnlsdiufn". The second says "You'll have to excuse my friend. He's not null terminated" |
| 07:52.56 | Corrodias | "MatLink is an addon rewritten from an older similar addon called ChatMats." -- but the description doesn't say what's different about it, which, at this point, appears to be nothing, from the comments |
| 07:54.53 | Corrodias | "simpleMinimap is a realitvely simple minimap mod that will change the default UI in the following ways..." -- screenshot included shows a completely rearranged UI |
| 07:55.30 | Corrodias | he obviously has other addons loaded in this shot :/ |
| 07:55.32 | Fructose | krka: Check out Security Focus some time. I think you'll see overflows, boundary condition errors, and input validation errors are quite common in the vulnerabilities they find, yet all of those things "are easily avoided" |
| 07:56.06 | Wobin | Corrodias: picky picky =P |
| 07:56.08 | Fructose | For instance, today there's a brand new Internet Explorer Buffer Overflow Vulnerability |
| 07:56.26 | Wobin | hm, is that an official acronym? =) |
| 07:56.28 | Fructose | And by today I mean September 21st, which is only 4 hours old on the east coast |
| 07:56.32 | Wobin | IEBOV! |
| 07:56.57 | Fructose | Oh, no, sorry, that's just the update... the actual error is a full two days old... http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/20096 |
| 07:57.13 | Wobin | of course |
| 07:57.23 | Wobin | it's usually a tuesday release |
| 07:57.34 | Wobin | since it's patchday |
| 07:57.53 | Corrodias | it always amazes me how many buffer overflow vulnerabilities they keep finding |
| 07:58.11 | Wobin | They probably have testcases to run every single possiblity |
| 07:58.11 | Corrodias | if they can fix them, which apparently they can, shouldn't there be a way to prevent them? why aren't they writing with that in mind? |
| 07:58.23 | Wobin | (the hackers that is) |
| 07:58.23 | Fructose | Uhhh |
| 07:58.31 | Fructose | Patch days are the first Tuesday of every month |
| 07:58.33 | Fructose | ...last I heard |
| 07:58.44 | Wobin | hum |
| 07:59.00 | Wobin | I thought their general cycle was to release patches on tuesdays |
| 07:59.14 | Fructose | In the first week of every month |
| 07:59.23 | Wobin | I mean, for a IEBOV, they're not going to wait til next month, are they? |
| 07:59.50 | Fructose | It may have changed though... they may be finding too many of them. That still wouldn't help the case that buffer overflows and other vulnerabilities are rare. |
| 07:59.52 | Wobin | That's why they have zero day exploits |
| 08:00.09 | Wobin | so the exploits have the longest time possible to propogate (ie a week) |
| 08:01.05 | Fructose | Well, Microsoft has a history of letting them run for months before even acknowledging them |
| 08:01.15 | Wobin | Although, if I were a hacker, and found a few exploits, I'd release them one at a time |
| 08:01.32 | Fructose | If you were a hacker, you wouldn't release them at all |
| 08:01.43 | Wobin | Well someone does =) |
| 08:01.54 | Corrodias | if you were a hacker, you would have a funny hat |
| 08:02.00 | Fructose | Yeah, white hat organizations |
| 08:02.03 | Wobin | Made from tinfoil |
| 08:02.24 | Fructose | Corrodias: I don't wear hats. 1 => 0 is false |
| 08:02.24 | krka | would be interesting how many buffer overflows there are in c++ stl programs compared to standard c |
| 08:02.32 | Corrodias | part of your definition of a hacker is someone that doesn't release information? |
| 08:03.01 | Corrodias | *information in that context |
| 08:03.10 | Fructose | Corrodias: Well, my personal definition of hacker is someone who modifies code, but that's an "old school" definition |
| 08:03.15 | Wobin | Again semantics, I dislike arguments based on differing interpretations of words =( |
| 08:03.25 | Wobin | Perhaps I should have specified. |
| 08:03.30 | Wobin | EVUL HACKA |
| 08:03.50 | Wobin | The ones you see on TV wearing all black and typing with gloves on |
| 08:04.09 | Wobin | (and using DOS =P) |
| 08:04.19 | Fructose | If you were someone who spent the time looking for vulnerabilities in code, and you weren't an idiot, you wouldn't release the vulnerability. I said "you wouldn't", thus making the assumption that you're not an idiot. :) |
| 08:04.26 | Wobin | "Abort Retry Fail?" |
| 08:04.31 | Fructose | Feel free to argue :) |
| 08:04.49 | Wobin | I guess, by 'release' I mean 'use' |
| 08:04.58 | Fructose | Oh, of course they use it |
| 08:05.18 | Fructose | Not in the form of a virus or anything like that, though |
| 08:05.19 | Wobin | and by 'release' I mean 'someone else probably white hatty notices and figures out what went wrong' |
| 08:05.29 | Fructose | At least, not a broadly propogating virus... perhaps one that spread on a local network |
| 08:05.40 | Corrodias | i have decided that i'm not interested in such a debate about the wisdom of releasing information about vulnerabilities |
| 08:05.54 | Wobin | It's not really a debate =) |
| 08:06.06 | Corrodias | i prefer not to call it an argument... |
| 08:06.16 | Wobin | At least not on that subject. It's again a discussion regarding personal interpretation of concepts |
| 08:06.25 | Wobin | which is a silly thing to argue |
| 08:06.52 | Fructose | This isn't an argument. It's just contradiction. |
| 08:07.27 | Wobin | I have no real opinion either way about how things work. Mostly due to lack of knowledge on the subject anyhow |
| 08:07.39 | Corrodias | "[03:04] <Fructose> Feel free to argue :)" |
| 08:07.45 | Fructose | Ugg. That was a joke. Haven't any of you watched Monty Python? |
| 08:07.59 | krka | No we haven't! |
| 08:07.59 | Corrodias | no |
| 08:08.14 | Corrodias | have you watched "Tampopo"? |
| 08:08.31 | Fructose | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-572077907195969915 |
| 08:08.34 | Wobin | I haven't seen the arguement sketch in a very very long time =( |
| 08:11.12 | Fructose | Yes you have |
| 08:11.20 | Corrodias | nice |
| 08:11.42 | Corrodias | you've gained significant amounts of rep with me in the last hour |
| 08:12.02 | Fructose | +100 Honor Corrodia Clan? |
| 08:12.10 | Corrodias | i hear we sell cookies at Revered |
| 08:12.21 | Fructose | Damn. I wanted epic armor. |
| 08:12.45 | Corrodias | as a cowardly and pitiful lot, we drop our armor to distract our enemies as we run away |
| 08:13.03 | Fructose | Lucky you. I just soil my armor. |
| 08:13.04 | Corrodias | -- thus we have little to spare |
| 08:15.38 | Fructose | Well, it's getting late, but I'm making headway on my addon, so I'll probably be back tomorrow. Good morning! |
| 08:15.52 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 08:21.58 | Corrodias | anybody feel like a debate? i agree with all the previous posters that this should be taken off because it defeats the purpose of the ready check and will cause wipes. |
| 08:22.04 | Corrodias | what? i didn't copy that |
| 08:22.20 | Corrodias | control+c... okay, got it: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5260-1-alwaysready.html |
| 08:22.51 | Corrodias | ignore the opinion presented in what i just said because that was an unintentional copy-paste |
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| 09:55.15 | Corrodias | "People that have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate (perseveration)." |
| 09:55.37 | Corrodias | it has all become clear. most of the horde AV players in our battle group have damaged frontal lobes. |
| 09:57.41 | Corrodias | "The so-called executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events." |
| 10:09.51 | Wobin | I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. |
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| 10:19.06 | Dhraga | hi all |
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| 11:01.34 | thr | is there any way |
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| 11:01.39 | thr | to hide ALL children of a frame? |
| 11:05.56 | [floyd] | By hiding the parent. |
| 11:08.11 | [floyd] | Something that *might* work is to add an additional frame that hosts all children and toggle visibility of that. |
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| 11:11.25 | [floyd] | Am I just blind or did Lua change their policies with respect to the reference manual? Can't seem to find a download for the 5.1 reference manual... |
| 11:12.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | well 5,1 is avail online so u can probely dl each page seperated p |
| 11:13.45 | [floyd] | There is an html version on a single page, but what about pdf's? |
| 11:14.02 | [floyd] | Are they trying to kill the language by only selling the reference manual anymore? |
| 11:14.47 | Mikk | Heh |
| 11:14.50 | Mikk | Lua ain't dying :-P |
| 11:14.58 | krka | ref man as html isn't good enough? |
| 11:15.04 | [floyd] | Nope. |
| 11:15.37 | [floyd] | And even that isn't linked on the page -- had to use google to find it. |
| 11:15.39 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/d/d7/WoWWiki_icon_WoW_style_%28context%29.png <-- input? |
| 11:15.49 | MoonWolf | sure, you can kill a language by only giving the ref manual in html.... |
| 11:16.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | why do u need frikking pdf i h8 pdf it a+lways tkaes so long to load |
| 11:16.42 | krka | you couldn't find the lua 5.1 html reference manual? |
| 11:16.48 | MoonWolf | wtf... a + isn't even NEAR l..... |
| 11:16.51 | [floyd] | |FF|Im2good4u: I'm not tellung you what you should like, don't do the same to me. |
| 11:16.52 | Mikk | g lua 5.1 manual |
| 11:16.53 | Mikk | tadaa |
| 11:17.00 | krka | lua.org -> documentation -> manual |
| 11:17.12 | [floyd] | krka: The single-page html is not linked ont the page. |
| 11:17.25 | [floyd] | krka: Thanks, I'm not really _that_ numb. |
| 11:17.28 | krka | yes it is |
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| 11:18.26 | [floyd] | It's tagged "start". |
| 11:18.49 | [floyd] | Anyway, pdf loads in 2 seconds at my end, and I simply prefer .pdf's. |
| 11:19.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | omg nub ! |
| 11:20.12 | MoonWolf | I don't know what it is, but im2good4u is annoying the crap out of me. |
| 11:20.19 | MoonWolf | Wait, I do know why |
| 11:20.41 | [floyd] | I was starting to think it would be just me ;) |
| 11:23.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | no i have that effect on every1 sadly but i still mean no harm i just got a bad way of saying things |
| 11:23.50 | thr | hmm |
| 11:23.55 | thr | in 1.12 there is a hidden raid channel, right? |
| 11:24.20 | thr | how do i send information in it? |
| 11:25.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 11:27.18 | thr | hmm ok and how do i recieve it, some type of event? |
| 11:27.45 | Eufe | yez |
| 11:27.51 | thr | "CHAT_MSG_ADDON" |
| 11:27.52 | thr | :D |
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| 11:28.53 | [floyd] | Is there any way to get an instance name as an internal english name? (I'm looking for what GetMapInfo()'s first parameter returns.9 |
| 11:32.40 | thr | hmm i need a function that serializes a table |
| 11:32.54 | thr | recursion is not necessary |
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| 11:35.09 | thr | krka: didn't you work on a serialization function? |
| 11:36.15 | [floyd] | thr: unpack() ? |
| 11:36.23 | thr | pack() and unpack() serializes a table? ;< |
| 11:39.07 | thr | i need to send a table(small one) between users in a raid in the addon channel |
| 11:39.12 | thr | so i need to serialize it ;( |
| 11:39.19 | thr | but there is no built in serialization in lua is there+ |
| 11:42.42 | [floyd] | thr: for k,v in t do local str = tostring( k ) .. "=" .. tostring( v ); end. and loadstring() on the receiver. |
| 11:42.43 | [floyd] | ... in pairs( t ) |
| 11:43.49 | krka | thr: yes |
| 11:49.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | i use the Q3engine way of sending data over the guildchannel by /r/0/s/3/q/lol |
| 11:50.10 | thr | [floyd] yes but it's a multi level table |
| 11:51.13 | JoshBorke | thr: there's no built in lua serialization. both Telepathy and AceComm have it though. Also I think comChannel has one too |
| 11:51.28 | Cairenn | ~logs |
| 11:51.37 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 11:51.48 | JoshBorke | thr: krka posted his serialization function in the channel a few days back |
| 11:52.47 | JoshBorke | http://wowi.pastey.net/818 |
| 11:53.13 | JoshBorke | it doesn't break up large messages though |
| 11:56.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | ni Q3 style one does but its not a verry fast wat it takes to long to parse |
| 12:00.20 | krka | here is my serializer: http://pastey.net/988 |
| 12:00.23 | krka | quite short actually |
| 12:01.08 | krka | the new link includes support for not creating stuff like: {and=1} |
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| 12:12.15 | krka | acecomms serialization seems pretty efficient though |
| 12:12.19 | krka | mine is more human readable |
| 12:12.26 | krka | (and recursive) |
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| 13:14.00 | Kevorkian | good morning |
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| 13:57.34 | zespri | hello |
| 13:57.40 | Kevorkian | g'day |
| 13:57.48 | TS|Skrom | morning |
| 13:58.05 | TS|Skrom | emulate ts|skrom |
| 13:58.12 | TS|Skrom | ~emulate ts|skrom |
| 13:58.14 | purl | can someone tell me how I can... |
| 13:58.30 | zespri | this is the wonders of modern civilisation - you can have internet almost everywhere =) |
| 13:58.32 | TS|Skrom | Any special tricks for making a timer that I should know about before I start trying? |
| 13:58.46 | zespri | did anything terrific happened to wow last week? =) |
| 13:58.49 | zespri | that I missed |
| 13:59.49 | zespri | mhm I think there is a standard way of implementing timer and lots of addons have very similar code for doing this |
| 13:59.57 | zespri | you can look up one of them |
| 14:00.03 | zespri | anyone =) |
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| 14:03.13 | Kirkburn|Vista | Morning |
| 14:03.39 | TS|Skrom | morning |
| 14:04.32 | Kevorkian | Skrom: look at the Chronos library |
| 14:04.48 | Kevorkian | it's ready made timers |
| 14:05.02 | TS|Skrom | but then I wouldn't learn anything! :D |
| 14:06.35 | Kevorkian | you can look at the code silly |
| 14:06.51 | Kevorkian | learn all you want without the tedious process of figuring out what doesn't work |
| 14:07.24 | TS|Skrom | lol |
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| 14:15.26 | cogwheel | Does anyone here use BuyEmAll? |
| 14:15.48 | Mikma | me |
| 14:16.18 | cogwheel | I got a feature request that seems like a really good idea, but i haven't quite decided how to implement it... |
| 14:16.20 | cogwheel | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=158&a=viewfeature&featureid=1445 |
| 14:17.02 | cogwheel | (implement as in design, not code) |
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| 14:17.34 | krka | design as an code structuring, or design as visual? |
| 14:17.45 | cogwheel | user interface behavior |
| 14:17.52 | cogwheel | i can work out the code just fine :) |
| 14:20.07 | TS|Skrom | cogwheel - remember yesterday how we talked and I said something about doubling my frames on accident? |
| 14:20.21 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: sorta... |
| 14:20.22 | TS|Skrom | cogwheel - I found out last night while playing my priest that I was doing that very thing >< lol |
| 14:20.47 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: sorta heh ;) |
| 14:21.00 | TS|Skrom | it was when we were talking about which events fire and creating dynamic frames and such |
| 14:21.21 | TS|Skrom | and how I wouldn't put my frame creation in two places because that would cause my frames to double |
| 14:21.27 | cogwheel | ah yes... so it was already doubling the frames even after i suggested you monitor multiple events? |
| 14:21.33 | cogwheel | s/after/before/ |
| 14:21.50 | TS|Skrom | it was... because I had never tested it whiel going into an instance... duh |
| 14:22.06 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 14:22.35 | TS|Skrom | I had always done /reload and it worked fine... went into an instance last night on my priest and all of the sudden none of my checkbutons are unchecking correctly |
| 14:22.36 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 14:34.08 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: that is a handy feature suggestion |
| 14:34.35 | cogwheel | agreed... i'm just not sure whether i should make the direct change or add it as an option/new button... |
| 14:35.37 | cogwheel | well, i have to head off to work now... be back on in about 1/2 hour or so :) |
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| 14:41.35 | Kirkburn|Vista | I can't access the US forums :/ |
| 14:41.53 | Kevorkian | I believe they are currently being Pwnd by blizzard |
| 14:41.59 | TS|Skrom | damnit >< |
| 14:42.10 | TS|Skrom | I was starting a new project that my brother had asked me about... |
| 14:42.18 | TS|Skrom | got a good start on it last night |
| 14:42.27 | TS|Skrom | already have a plan for where I'm going with it next |
| 14:42.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | I'm tryign to find out what the current situation of WoW + Vista is |
| 14:42.47 | TS|Skrom | then I google "timers wow lua" and I find out there's already a mod that does exactly what I'm doing |
| 14:42.58 | TS|Skrom | it's even named similar... |
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| 14:43.32 | Kevorkian | heh |
| 14:43.37 | TS|Skrom | now I'm not opposed to reinventing the wheel since I love learning this stuff, however do I continue the project even though I'm completely duplicating somethign that's already there? or should I just forget about it and tell him to download that one? |
| 14:44.23 | TS|Skrom | bear in mind I've already been accused of ripping someone off on my healbot one... they thought I'd ripped off quickHeal (even though there are a multitude of addons that do the same thing as both of ours) |
| 14:45.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | just continu under different name :P |
| 14:45.06 | TS|Skrom | I would never rip off someone elses code, and Heal Helper was (imo) different enough to be unique |
| 14:45.28 | TS|Skrom | but this one is pretty much identical except I'm going to use grapohical bars for my timers and he used icons with numbers |
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| 14:45.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | but the code is different :P |
| 14:45.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | its YOUR code your 1337 |
| 14:46.09 | TS|Skrom | well I suppose it is, I've not looked at the other one at all |
| 14:48.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | i made an other auto flight path unmount addon and the code is even slower thne the other mod but i still realed it |
| 14:48.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | just becase this is my project :p |
| 14:48.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | brb |
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| 14:49.50 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: cooldown timers? |
| 14:51.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | Ah, I just saw the news post on the US website - the forums are moving to new hardware |
| 14:51.19 | TS|Skrom | Totem Timers actually |
| 14:52.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | oh no your horde! |
| 14:53.05 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 14:53.09 | TS|Skrom | I play both actually :p |
| 14:53.20 | TS|Skrom | my brother plays the shaman though |
| 14:53.50 | JoshBorke | just tell him to use TT :-P |
| 14:54.03 | TS|Skrom | *sigh* |
| 14:54.31 | TS|Skrom | but but but I've already got it like... 1/4 done and i was excited about this project! |
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| 14:55.06 | JoshBorke | write an in-game help browser that addons can register to |
| 14:55.18 | thr | hmm |
| 14:55.26 | thr | if i only wanna loop thru the values and not the key of a table |
| 14:55.32 | thr | for bla in table do end ? |
| 14:55.42 | JoshBorke | for _,v in pairs(table) do echo type(v) end |
| 14:55.47 | thr | kk |
| 14:56.22 | thr | table.foreach should work also? |
| 14:56.26 | thr | or is it deprecated? |
| 14:56.33 | JoshBorke | i dunno |
| 14:56.55 | krka | function values(t) local k return function() k = next(t) return t[k] end end for v in values(table) do echo(v) end |
| 14:57.07 | TS|Skrom | oh crap >< today is going to be a bad day |
| 14:58.19 | TS|Skrom | I just realized I haven't taken my medicine in like... 4 days... |
| 14:58.25 | TS|Skrom | gg withdrawel symptoms |
| 14:58.52 | TS|Skrom | I gotta start waking up on time so I can remember this crap |
| 15:01.23 | thr | hmm is OnLoad called for a frame when it's created thru CreateFrame() ? |
| 15:01.46 | JoshBorke | thr: only if the OnLoad is part of the template |
| 15:01.54 | thr | yes ofc. |
| 15:01.55 | thr | but if it is? |
| 15:01.59 | thr | good. |
| 15:02.14 | TS|Skrom | You can also ThisFrame:SetScript("OnLoad","Stuff") |
| 15:02.34 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: by the time you call ThisFrame:SetScript('OnLoad','Stuff') it's already loaded ;-) |
| 15:02.52 | TS|Skrom | oh... good point. |
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| 15:06.13 | TS|Skrom | I could have sworn I had used that though O.o |
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| 15:07.18 | TS|Skrom | duh nm... i did OnEnter and OnClick.... don't know why I thought I'd done OnLoad |
| 15:12.08 | TS|Skrom | hrmpf... |
| 15:16.33 | TS|Skrom | MRALBLLLARHLBLARHBL |
| 15:16.40 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/994 |
| 15:16.42 | TS|Skrom | *whimper* |
| 15:16.46 | yacoob | TS|Skrom: great sound for SMS :) |
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| 15:17.28 | TS|Skrom | everything works fine up to the last if... it just won't move my frame... |
| 15:18.04 | TS|Skrom | if I put that same if into myDebug and execute it works fine |
| 15:18.44 | TS|Skrom | is that something to do with the frame not fully loading when on event triggers or something? I would assume not |
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| 15:23.32 | JoshBorke | is the frame name right? |
| 15:24.29 | TS|Skrom | lemme triple check but yes, I believe so. |
| 15:24.37 | TS|Skrom | I think I copy-pasted from xml last night just to be sure |
| 15:26.54 | JoshBorke | put some output that you can see insidet he if statement |
| 15:26.58 | TS|Skrom | ooo I just thought of something, don't know if it could be it but... That frame has child frames... whose anchors are relative to it |
| 15:27.11 | TS|Skrom | are those keepign it stationary? |
| 15:27.48 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: not if the anchors are relative to the parent |
| 15:28.02 | TS|Skrom | the if is getting triggered... |
| 15:28.30 | Osagasu | I wonder if I can convince my professors to let me Slack today. I feel like roadkill by a Mack. |
| 15:29.00 | TS|Skrom | ZOMG! I took movable="true" out of the frame definition and it worked, someone please splain! |
| 15:29.19 | Maldivia | hmm, just saw a screenshot from the char info frame in BC... damn there's a lot of info now :) |
| 15:29.29 | Osagasu | WHERE? |
| 15:29.33 | Osagasu | Lemme see1 |
| 15:29.36 | Osagasu | LIIIIIIINK |
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| 15:30.14 | Maldivia | FULL info about +dmg to each school, +crit to each school, how much each stat points change crit/hit/defese/etc |
| 15:30.24 | Osagasu | +crit each school? o.O |
| 15:30.30 | Osagasu | Oh, talents. |
| 15:30.53 | [floyd] | I CreateFrame()'d a frame, and SetScript( "OnEnter", myFrameOnEnter ); But events don't seem to fire. What did I do wrong? |
| 15:31.12 | Maldivia | Osagasu: the 2 "frames" on the char info frame, that today shows stats and melee info |
| 15:31.36 | Osagasu | Just send me the damned link. |
| 15:31.50 | Maldivia | Osagasu: they now both have a pull down menu on top, where you can select "Base stats", "Melee", "Ranged", "Spell" or "Defenses" |
| 15:32.10 | Maldivia | Osagasu: a screenshot I got send via an IM service, can't really link that :) |
| 15:32.13 | JoshBorke | [floyd]: is your frame on top? |
| 15:32.29 | Osagasu | Then put it on imageshack. |
| 15:33.48 | [floyd] | JoshBorke: It has <parent>:GetFrameStrata() -- would that be 'enough' to be on top? |
| 15:37.05 | Osagasu | http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2006/09/19/script-kiddie-leaves-photo-id-behind-after-wreaking-havok/ |
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| 15:37.38 | warla | howdy |
| 15:38.18 | cogwheel | mornin |
| 15:38.59 | Xuerian | 'mornin |
| 15:39.31 | warla | good evening ;-) |
| 15:40.09 | warla | is it just me or is blizzards forum down? |
| 15:40.22 | cogwheel | warla... you really missed the boat on that one |
| 15:40.26 | cogwheel | XD |
| 15:40.31 | warla | ? |
| 15:40.38 | Rihlsul | they've been down for a couple days |
| 15:40.39 | cogwheel | they've been down for days... |
| 15:40.42 | warla | yea |
| 15:40.46 | warla | thats what i noticed |
| 15:40.51 | warla | what did they screw up? |
| 15:40.56 | cogwheel | there's a post on the main page about it |
| 15:41.13 | Rihlsul | something severe quote "our database engineers have made great progress and are creating a new server to house the forums" |
| 15:41.22 | warla | lol |
| 15:41.51 | warla | that translates in "We screwed up our forums and our wannabe-engineers might find a way to fix the forums the next couple days" |
| 15:42.00 | Rihlsul | when you have to 'spontaneously' build a new server, something has gone catastrophic |
| 15:42.19 | Kevorkian | since when does a database engineer create a new server? |
| 15:42.31 | Kevorkian | heya rihl :) |
| 15:42.33 | Rihlsul | well, the post continued to say "After this has been completed, it will still be necessary to transfer the data to the new hardware." |
| 15:42.48 | Rihlsul | that post was at 2 am PDT 9/20 |
| 15:43.22 | Rihlsul | 3:30 PM, PDT, 9/20. "The data transfer is ongoing and we are currently anticipating the forums to continue to be down for the rest of today." |
| 15:43.33 | Rihlsul | no news that I've seen today =\ |
| 15:44.41 | warla | i need to do more world pvp.... |
| 15:44.46 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=19 <-- my potion mule |
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| 15:45.55 | warla | howdy amro |
| 15:45.55 | Amro | hey |
| 15:45.55 | Amro | did you finish your addon? |
| 15:46.16 | warla | its almost finished ya |
| 15:46.23 | warla | i'm currently beta testing and bugfixing |
| 15:46.28 | Osagasu | those invisibility potions had better become like mage invisibility in the expansion. |
| 15:46.34 | warla | hehe |
| 15:46.46 | warla | mage invisibility in expansion is "LOL" |
| 15:46.54 | warla | kinda utterly useless |
| 15:47.17 | Osagasu | It's an aggro wipe and escape ability. |
| 15:47.25 | warla | doesnt wipe aggro :-) |
| 15:47.26 | Kaso | yah if it drops aggro its awesome |
| 15:47.30 | Osagasu | Mainly aggro wipe. |
| 15:47.36 | warla | i doubt aggro will wipe |
| 15:47.38 | Kaso | have they said it doesnt drop aggro? |
| 15:47.44 | Osagasu | They said it has. |
| 15:47.45 | warla | the invis pots dont do that |
| 15:47.50 | Rihlsul | If you don't mind spoilers, some profession info from BC has leaked already. Pretty interesting stuff. |
| 15:47.53 | Mikma | warla: how's it going? :) |
| 15:48.00 | warla | fine fine :-) |
| 15:48.08 | warla | doing a lot changed / bugfixing lately |
| 15:48.22 | warla | i finally managed to get around the dumb 10 MB php memory limit |
| 15:48.22 | Mikma | lol was just gonna ask "got any bugs fixed lately" |
| 15:48.37 | warla | my upload script now correctly adds as many chars as you got |
| 15:48.51 | warla | ya |
| 15:48.54 | Mikma | well, that might have impacts on your server tho |
| 15:48.58 | warla | made a lot bugfixes lately |
| 15:49.07 | warla | as you might see theres quite some chars added |
| 15:49.20 | warla | up to like id 25 or something |
| 15:49.25 | Mikma | neat :) |
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| 15:49.28 | warla | seen my screenie? ^^ |
| 15:49.30 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 |
| 15:50.20 | Mikma | warla: is it just me or is the site extremely slow? |
| 15:50.31 | warla | slow right now ya |
| 15:50.51 | Mikma | warla: omg you made a animation there :D |
| 15:51.17 | Rihlsul | wow |
| 15:51.39 | warla | ^^ |
| 15:51.58 | Mikma | warla: omg that hat is neat :D |
| 15:52.03 | warla | heh thx |
| 15:52.15 | warla | downloaded that wow model viewer thingy |
| 15:52.20 | warla | can make cool screenies with it |
| 15:52.32 | Rihlsul | I've seen plenty of php profilers (and your is pretty visual crisp and attractive), but the animation thing's really neat |
| 15:53.08 | Mikma | Rihlsul: i haven't seen as cool as warla's before anyway :P |
| 15:53.09 | Rihlsul | (boy, I can't type well today) |
| 15:53.13 | zenzelezz | I never looked much into it, but I didn't seem to figure how to dress up models in the model viewer, they were all solid-color o_O |
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| 15:54.07 | Rihlsul | I have my inventory options shut off, but our guild uses this style atm: http://www.wowexposed.de.vu/ |
| 15:54.10 | Rihlsul | er.. |
| 15:54.13 | Rihlsul | http://www.ironcladgathering.com/roster/char.php?name=Rihlsul&server=Gilneas |
| 15:54.36 | warla | i currently work on a guildbank system |
| 15:54.43 | Rihlsul | not quite as stylish, I'll admit |
| 15:54.47 | warla | where you can choose 1-X chars to be a guildbank |
| 15:54.55 | warla | and then it shows ya the items categorized |
| 15:54.57 | Rihlsul | ya, http://www.ironcladgathering.com/roster/addon.php?roster_addon_name=guildbank |
| 15:55.00 | warla | try this: |
| 15:55.07 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/guildbank.php |
| 15:55.18 | warla | in the list you can choose 1-X chars to be the guildbank |
| 15:55.24 | warla | i havent formatted it |
| 15:55.30 | warla | its just a quick "hack" page |
| 15:55.33 | warla | i used to test how it works |
| 15:55.59 | Rihlsul | pretty nifty. Hard to get categories working, lots of tooltip parsing |
| 15:56.06 | warla | lol ya |
| 15:56.29 | Mikma | warla: anything happening with the enchanting yet? |
| 15:56.31 | warla | but i got it narrowed down quite nice |
| 15:56.36 | Rihlsul | Give our guild bank a gander |
| 15:56.38 | warla | havent looked into enchanting yet |
| 15:56.44 | warla | i made rogue poisons yesterday |
| 15:56.48 | warla | they work now :-) |
| 15:56.48 | Rihlsul | we have a composite of 4 diff bank characters ATM |
| 15:56.54 | Xuerian | Nice, warla |
| 15:57.09 | Osagasu | Level one up to 51 and get her Ony bags. :P |
| 15:57.11 | warla | Rihlsul... thats why i made it so you can choose 4 chars and make a bank page out of em ;-) |
| 15:57.34 | warla | Osagasu why bother ony bags? |
| 15:57.34 | Mikma | warla: are you making a name-search? :) |
| 15:57.40 | warla | bottomless do fine |
| 15:57.45 | warla | ya |
| 15:57.50 | Osagasu | Bottomless are expansive as hell. |
| 15:58.01 | warla | i'll add a front end where you can search chars by realm class name e.t.c |
| 15:58.20 | warla | Osagasu i have 10 bottomless on my main 10 on my alt and 2 on a lowbie alt |
| 15:58.31 | Osagasu | So? |
| 15:58.36 | warla | they arent that hard to make |
| 15:58.41 | Osagasu | That doesn't stop my comment from being true. |
| 15:58.55 | warla | mats per bag is around 150g each |
| 15:59.09 | warla | so 10 bags are 1500g which is 2 weeks farming |
| 15:59.17 | Osagasu | Which is expansive as hell. |
| 15:59.20 | warla | nah |
| 15:59.20 | Osagasu | **expensive |
| 15:59.23 | warla | thats cheap ^^ |
| 15:59.53 | zenzelezz | I couldn't farm half of that in that time |
| 15:59.56 | Osagasu | In two weeks you can get 4 18 slot bags anyways. |
| 16:00.03 | warla | 10 ony bags = 10 weeks ony kills (and making sure you get em) |
| 16:00.13 | Osagasu | AD bag, ZG bag, two ony bags. |
| 16:00.18 | warla | all unique |
| 16:00.22 | warla | = 1 only |
| 16:00.27 | Osagasu | Ony bags aren't unique. |
| 16:00.36 | warla | yea but they are on 5 days cooldown |
| 16:00.40 | warla | = worse than bottomless |
| 16:00.45 | Osagasu | Hell, this last week we got THREE ony bags. |
| 16:00.46 | warla | bottomless i can make 10 bags a week easy |
| 16:00.58 | zenzelezz | if you can afford it |
| 16:01.00 | Osagasu | Our sever upgraded, and that reset Ony. |
| 16:01.04 | warla | heh nice |
| 16:01.25 | Rihlsul | .. what on earth do you farm that gets you 1500 in 2 weeks? |
| 16:01.36 | Osagasu | Yes, tell us. |
| 16:01.41 | Osagasu | Especially while raiding. |
| 16:01.47 | Osagasu | Even 5 nights a week. |
| 16:01.50 | Osagasu | Come now. |
| 16:01.51 | warla | actually i made 2000g in like 8 days |
| 16:01.57 | warla | all ya need to do is kill a lot mobs |
| 16:01.58 | Rihlsul | lemme know, I'll get my wife working on it. =p (She farms for me and I don't make her go get a job) |
| 16:01.59 | warla | a lot ^^ |
| 16:02.00 | Mikma | http://community.livejournal.com/wow_ladies/1275597.html |
| 16:02.22 | TS|Skrom | that must chafe a bit that your backpack that you have no control over is smaller then your bank bags |
| 16:02.58 | warla | ya that sucks |
| 16:03.06 | warla | they need to fix the backpack |
| 16:03.11 | warla | so we can get rid of it |
| 16:03.45 | warla | i also request to get bottomless bags renamed |
| 16:03.49 | warla | its missleading ^^ |
| 16:03.52 | warla | its only 18 slots... |
| 16:04.28 | Osagasu | WTB backpack extending item. |
| 16:04.34 | Osagasu | Gotta go, school time. |
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| 16:06.57 | TS|Skrom | 7 mounts? |
| 16:07.01 | TS|Skrom | excessive :p |
| 16:10.28 | Kirochi | yup |
| 16:10.44 | Kirochi | a great amount |
| 16:10.54 | cogwheel | ~rimshot |
| 16:10.56 | purl | ch-ch-chhh |
| 16:11.31 | Kevorkian | purl, dict trilobyte |
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| 16:11.44 | Kevorkian | purl, dict trilobite |
| 16:12.07 | Kevorkian | purl, dict 2 trilobite |
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| 16:19.46 | Kevorkian | purl, dict mungo |
| 16:19.59 | cogwheel | Kirkburn|Vista: Have you been able to try out ReadyBoost? |
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| 16:23.04 | Kirochi | walnuts hurt the mouth when in chocolate |
| 16:23.11 | Kirochi | walnuts are teh evil ! |
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| 16:24.28 | Kirochi | oh btw, what are you working on ? are you developing a new addon ? |
| 16:25.49 | cogwheel | which "you"? ;) |
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| 16:27.37 | Kirochi | well ... all of you who're talking about lua and else |
| 16:30.13 | Industrial | im not working on idChat2 :P |
| 16:30.15 | Industrial | well, atm |
| 16:30.25 | cogwheel | ditto for BuyEmAll |
| 16:30.31 | cogwheel | and BuyDropper |
| 16:30.33 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 16:30.42 | Industrial | my wallet needs more love then wow atm |
| 16:30.44 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:31.53 | Kirkburn|Vista | cogwheel, no, not yet |
| 16:32.12 | Kirkburn|Vista | Am playing Beyond Good & Evil atm :) |
| 16:32.18 | cogwheel | I may have to try it out using my Tungsten on DriveMode.... Don't have any USB drives handy myself |
| 16:32.29 | Industrial | sadfasdf WHY WHY!!! the agony! |
| 16:33.10 | Industrial | Stupid software programmers (blame the managers ofcource) that write software with uninstallers that ASK the user to restart the computer directly - or even worse just do so |
| 16:33.25 | Industrial | the user doetn need to know things need to be removed on restart, just do it unnoticed NOONE CARES |
| 16:33.35 | Industrial | RWAR |
| 16:33.38 | Kirkburn|Vista | So far Vista has been incredibly speedy for me, so I'ev not needed it (seriously it's as fast if not faster than XP on my PC) |
| 16:33.39 | Industrial | </rant> |
| 16:33.51 | cogwheel | eenteresting |
| 16:33.57 | Xuerian | lol, industrial, true |
| 16:34.05 | Kirkburn|Vista | Industrial, completely agreed |
| 16:34.07 | CrazierMYKL | well, duh, it's rendering is GPU, not CPU |
| 16:34.18 | CrazierMYKL | industrial, it's poor OS design |
| 16:34.25 | cogwheel | XP does some hardware acceleration... |
| 16:34.26 | zenzelezz | <Industrial> Stupid software programmers (blame the managers ofcource) that write software with uninstallers that ASK the user to restart the computer directly - or even worse just do so <--- last time I used the nVidia drivers (few years ago), uninstalling the drivers only gave me a message box with "zomg need restart! [Okay]" |
| 16:34.40 | zenzelezz | pissed me off, had that message in my bottom-right corner for days |
| 16:34.42 | cogwheel | have you ever run XP before installing your video drivers? |
| 16:34.47 | CrazierMYKL | ideally, ONLY kernel updates should trigger a reboot |
| 16:35.04 | Industrial | cogwheel: everyone that doesnt have it pre-installed :P |
| 16:35.22 | Kirkburn|Vista | The only thing that didn't work after a clean install of Vista for me was the sound card, and that's just because Creative have been crap with providing any |
| 16:35.29 | cogwheel | CrazyMYKL: yes but windows is... *ahem* ... less than ideal |
| 16:35.46 | Kirkburn|Vista | *any drivers. I've had to use the Vista Beta 2 drivers which aren't perfect |
| 16:36.03 | cogwheel | :( |
| 16:36.09 | zenzelezz | how about that, beta drivers that aren't perfect :-o |
| 16:36.09 | tyroney|work | also: I want to know if my machine needs a reboot to clean things out. It's better not to make crazy changes when your machine is running on old drivers/etc that're about to disappear. |
| 16:36.31 | cogwheel | Though, i got a prerelease version of Win2k and it wouldn't work with my MOUSE! |
| 16:36.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz, it's been three weeks since RC1 appeared, and Creative still haven't made any supporting drivers for it, is my point :P |
| 16:36.36 | cogwheel | Yes, my MOUSE |
| 16:36.42 | CrazierMYKL | LOL |
| 16:36.46 | cogwheel | a plain old serial logitech three button mouse |
| 16:37.07 | Kirkburn|Vista | If it's any consolation, the side button on my Microsoft mouse doesn't work atm :) |
| 16:37.20 | cogwheel | hehe... that's a bit ironic ;) |
| 16:37.22 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn|Vista: I don't care about that really... until it's release, not release candidate, you shouldn't expect much |
| 16:38.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz, true, true, but it's just the fact that everything else worked straight off :/ ATI and nVidia have already made two sets of RC1 drivers. *sigh* |
| 16:38.20 | tyroney|work | I mean, what more do I need in my OS? |
| 16:38.35 | Kirkburn|Vista | tyroney|work, I would describe Vista as a much mroe mature XP |
| 16:39.00 | Kirkburn|Vista | It's not all about bells and whistles, but makign the experience a whole lot more professional and enjoyable |
| 16:39.06 | tyroney|work | Honestly, I have faith in the abilities of all those hardworking programmers up 405. |
| 16:39.25 | zenzelezz | how are they doing that Kirk? |
| 16:39.32 | CrazierMYKL | i fear the integrated Digital Restrictions Management |
| 16:39.36 | tyroney|work | I did some testing at Microsoft, and there are plenty of brilliant people coding around. |
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| 16:40.00 | Kirkburn|Vista | Everything is much cleaner and sensible. You don't feel like your playing with a child's OS, as XP can sometimes be |
| 16:40.37 | cogwheel | I'd buy it just for the improved start menu and integrated desktop search |
| 16:40.46 | cogwheel | Google's desktop search is pissing me off recently |
| 16:40.51 | zenzelezz | improved start menu? |
| 16:40.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | Y'know I've not even tried the search thingy yet |
| 16:41.09 | zenzelezz | I've hated everything they did to the start menu past 2000... it's a mess in XP |
| 16:41.11 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/searchorg.mspx |
| 16:41.20 | Kevorkian | crazier: don't sweat the DRM, somebody will break it (if they haven't already) so that all your music plays. DRM is notoriously flawed, since you pretty much have to actually play the music eventually |
| 16:41.23 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz, yup, you can just type the name of the prog and it searches the program menu for it |
| 16:41.47 | zenzelezz | meh, for lazy people :-p |
| 16:41.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | It's excellent, much easier than navigating through all the menus |
| 16:41.56 | Kirkburn|Vista | heh |
| 16:41.57 | zenzelezz | I organize my start menu to minimize the number of clashing names anyway |
| 16:42.04 | zenzelezz | <Start>-P-M-W |
| 16:42.08 | zenzelezz | <Start>-P-I-F |
| 16:42.34 | cogwheel | You can't quite call yourself lazy if you take the time to organize your start menu ;) |
| 16:42.42 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz, that would still work for you :) |
| 16:42.56 | zenzelezz | I didn't call myself lazy, I called those who would use a search lazy :) |
| 16:43.06 | cogwheel | Oh... another thing: getting rid of all the "My"s on everything |
| 16:43.23 | cogwheel | I hate telling my coworkers "Go into my My Documents" |
| 16:43.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | Wow, the search is incredibly fast |
| 16:43.54 | zenzelezz | heh, I stopped using all the My folders long ago... now they truly are a mess |
| 16:44.40 | Kirkburn|Vista | They've removed nearly all the 'My' prefixes now :P |
| 16:44.52 | zenzelezz | the prefixes aren't what I dislike though |
| 16:45.19 | zenzelezz | they clutter things more than they organize |
| 16:45.29 | zenzelezz | tried explaining them to my mom a few times, it's a lost cause |
| 16:45.29 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: that's what desktop search is for ;) |
| 16:45.53 | cogwheel | you can have all your files in one folder and still be able to find the ones you're looking for |
| 16:46.00 | cogwheel | more quickly than you can in XP |
| 16:46.08 | zenzelezz | you'll find I'm no supporter of that ;) My desktop is pure black, no icons, nothing else, and it's staying like that |
| 16:46.36 | Kirkburn|Vista | In one's docs folder you now get: Contacts, Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Favourites, Links, Music, Pictures, Saved Games, Searches, and Videos |
| 16:46.48 | cogwheel | s/ou/o/ |
| 16:46.50 | zenzelezz | see? Utter mess |
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| 16:46.59 | cogwheel | umm... wasn't supposed to fix mine.. |
| 16:47.04 | cogwheel | was making fun of Brits ;) |
| 16:47.05 | Kirkburn|Vista | Doesn't sound like utter mess to me :/ |
| 16:47.28 | Kirkburn|Vista | Oi, we made the language what it is ;) |
| 16:47.30 | zenzelezz | I have no videos... delete that folder? Nope, Windows brings it right back |
| 16:47.50 | Kirkburn|Vista | zomg, a single folder :P |
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| 16:48.03 | tyroney|work | Can't you just toast a few keys and make them unprotected? |
| 16:48.14 | cogwheel | yeah, but that's always been a microsoft thing... |
| 16:48.14 | TS|Skrom | cogwheel hehe |
| 16:48.18 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz, fair enough though, it should have the option |
| 16:48.23 | cogwheel | I really do hate when they second guess my intentions |
| 16:48.46 | Kirkburn|Vista | Defragging is also improved - it runs in the background |
| 16:48.52 | cogwheel | trust me... I'm NO microsoft supporter... Just ask my coworkers how many times a day I say "I hate Microsoft" |
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| 16:48.59 | zenzelezz | all my "important" stuff goes in appropriate directories on a separate partition from the Window partition |
| 16:49.07 | cogwheel | But I really do think XP->Vista is an improvement |
| 16:49.19 | zenzelezz | cogwheel: I sound more MS-hostile at the moment than I actually am :) |
| 16:49.21 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz, you can set the location for user folder in the options |
| 16:49.39 | TS|Skrom | isn't that akin to terminal cancer -> the common cold is an improvment? |
| 16:49.49 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn|Vista: I know, but Windows will still make a mess of it then |
| 16:49.51 | thr | is it possible to rotate textures? ;> |
| 16:49.52 | thr | or buttons? |
| 16:50.00 | zenzelezz | since programs blindly assume you don't mind them using those folders |
| 16:50.11 | thr | (from within LUA) |
| 16:50.13 | JoshBorke | thr: yes |
| 16:50.15 | thr | ok, how? |
| 16:50.28 | Kirkburn|Vista | I'll have to test more and come back with my finding later :) |
| 16:50.37 | Kirkburn|Vista | For now, back to play time =) |
| 16:50.39 | TS|Skrom | if my head didn't hurt so bad I'd actually start making these timers :( |
| 16:50.46 | cogwheel | thr: wowwiki.com -> search for SetTexCoord |
| 16:51.27 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: and I sound more like Kirkburn|Vista than i really am ;) |
| 16:51.38 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 16:52.31 | cogwheel | I forgot to start downloading RC1 last night till after BWL... Luckily i have a 6mbps connection so I don't have to wait too much longer when i get home ;) |
| 16:53.20 | Qzot | TBC RC1? Vista RC1? Theendoftheworldasweknowit RC1? |
| 16:53.25 | cogwheel | vista |
| 16:53.32 | Kirkburn|Vista | ya |
| 16:53.40 | zenzelezz | hm, the only thing that slightly annoys me about making progress with C'thun is that most people have absolutely no interest in BWL or any other right now :-| |
| 16:53.44 | cogwheel | Still waiting for the Beta for BC to start ;) |
| 16:54.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | Sooon, very very soon ;) |
| 16:54.03 | Qzot | You have a beta ticket? |
| 16:54.11 | cogwheel | heh... we've been stubmling on Razorgore for the last couple weeks |
| 16:54.22 | cogwheel | we can't keep attendance up 'cause we keep wiping |
| 16:54.30 | cogwheel | and we keep wiping 'cause we can't keep attendance up |
| 16:54.53 | cogwheel | so we had to resort to not allowing bids in MC anymore for people who don't attend BWL |
| 16:54.57 | JoshBorke | thr: http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 16:55.01 | Qzot | Kirkburn: Are you able to say whether you're in the alpha or not? |
| 16:55.03 | thr | JoshBorke can i rotate textures with: <TexCoords left="0" right="0.2" top="0" bottom="1.0"></TexCoords> ? |
| 16:55.06 | cogwheel | Qzot: yep. went to blizzcon :) |
| 16:55.17 | Cairenn | no, you aren't |
| 16:55.29 | Qzot | Cairenn: I know that in general. |
| 16:55.32 | JoshBorke | hi Cairenn :-) |
| 16:55.41 | zenzelezz | we solve that by not deciding until raid time where we're going, so people can't shy away if it's "MC night" or something like that |
| 16:55.43 | Cairenn | you *might* be allowed to say if you are in the Beta, we haven't seen what the NDA says |
| 16:55.57 | Qzot | Cairenn: I'm specifically asking Kirkburn whether he is permitted to say if he's in the alpha. |
| 16:56.03 | cogwheel | I *can* say that I went to BlizzCon and got a Beta Access Code |
| 16:56.09 | Cairenn | and I specifically answered |
| 16:56.17 | Qzot | Cairenn: If he tells me he's allowed to say whether he's in the alpha, I'll know he isn't. :D |
| 16:57.00 | Cairenn | everyone's seen the NDA for alpha though, so everyone knows you aren't allowed to admit to it even existing ;p |
| 16:57.12 | cogwheel | thr: not sure about XML... esp. since your question specifically said in Lua ;) |
| 16:57.24 | thr | ah well |
| 16:57.25 | Cairenn | cogwheel: you know the expression about "assume" :p |
| 16:57.28 | thr | raid time now, talk to u later ;P |
| 16:57.33 | cogwheel | :) |
| 16:57.34 | Kevorkian | I've never understood the NDA requirement for games about saying whether you are or aren't a tester. It seems somewhat silly, since if the NDA covers not revealing anything else it's ridiculous to ask folks to be dishonest about their status |
| 16:58.00 | cogwheel | It's easier to keep them from saying anything about the game if people don't know they're part of the test |
| 16:58.11 | Kevorkian | in what reality? |
| 16:58.32 | Cairenn | if no one knows you're in to begin with, that much less you'll be pressured to leak info |
| 16:58.40 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: if you don't know who has a secret then the chances of you finding the secret are much lower |
| 16:59.10 | Cairenn | "come on Bob, I know you're in, I'm your best friend, you can trust me, tell me about it ..." |
| 16:59.13 | Kevorkian | for military plans/weapons programs/legal details sure. in a game though, if somebody wants to talk they'll talk. NDA or no |
| 16:59.33 | cogwheel | And then the company has legal measures |
| 16:59.34 | Qzot | Cairenn: Who is Bob? Has he told you anything? |
| 16:59.47 | Cairenn | Qzot: no he hasn't, damn him |
| 16:59.56 | cogwheel | ~dict bob |
| 17:00.12 | cogwheel | ~dict 3 bob |
| 17:00.12 | Qzot | ~dict cog |
| 17:00.27 | Qzot | ~dict wheel |
| 17:00.50 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: indeed, insisting they lie about their testing status though creates a moral dilemna. Do you a) lie to people or b) figure out a way to reveal your status without explicitly saying so or c) refuse to socialize? |
| 17:01.08 | TS|Skrom | I vote c |
| 17:01.18 | TS|Skrom | explains why I'm divorced, eh? |
| 17:01.23 | cogwheel | you don't have to lie... you say "I'm not allowed to tell you whether I am in the Alpha" and let them draw their own conclusions ;) |
| 17:01.37 | Cairenn | "I can neither confirm nor deny that" |
| 17:01.39 | Qzot | Kevorkian: You say, "I can't answer that question," and smile. |
| 17:01.50 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: exactly! so why not just say "yes, I'm a tester" |
| 17:01.58 | amro | saying you're not allowed to answer usually means you are a tester |
| 17:02.02 | cogwheel | Innocent 'till proven guilty... |
| 17:02.10 | cogwheel | I wish people really took that seriously :( |
| 17:02.17 | CrazierMYKL_ | or say "My NDA does not allow me to answer that |
| 17:02.17 | CrazierMYKL_ | " |
| 17:02.19 | tyroney|work | thr: no rotation in basic xml. You'd have to use an OnLoad or something to apply some texcoords. You might notice my big rant on the discussion page on the wiki; I never bothered finishing my research, I came across working code and borrowed it. (for my compass) |
| 17:02.20 | amro | lol |
| 17:02.36 | Kevorkian | thus proving that there's no point in requiring people not to disclose their tester status |
| 17:03.25 | amro | well, any of us here could be a tester, but we dont know it because we dont go around asking people. on the other hand if they were allowed to they could announce it |
| 17:03.43 | amro | but it doesn't matter much anyway :) |
| 17:03.49 | Qzot | Kevorkian: Actually there is a difference. By requiring non-disclosure of the NDA, they turn determination into a polling process, rather than an event-driven process. |
| 17:04.06 | TS|Skrom | #1 way to get me to stop listening to you. Call me by the wrong name. I love it when vendors call and want to sell me something and have my name wrong ^.^ |
| 17:04.06 | Qzot | I am not in the alpha test. :( |
| 17:04.21 | Kevorkian | RegisterEvent(TESTER_REVEAL_STATS); |
| 17:04.37 | Xuerian | Kevorkian: Lol |
| 17:05.34 | Kevorkian | qzot: I suppose, still, really seems like a pointless activity anyway. for this sort of thing leaks are inevitable anyway. |
| 17:05.49 | Qzot | TS|Skrom: Many moons ago, I got such a call. Did I want my rugs cleaned? My neighbors, Mr Coleman and Mr Abigew, had agreed. "Mr Abigew," said I, "has been dead for a year, and I handle Mr Coleman's mail for the last 6 months while he is in South Carolina." Click. |
| 17:05.52 | amro | Kevorkian: it doesn't cost them money to add that to the NDA. So they do it. |
| 17:06.48 | Qzot | s/handle/have been handling |
| 17:07.35 | cogwheel | Kevorkian: yes, but would you rather have a few leaks about, say, mounts, dances, etc? or would you rather have someone developing an entire website detailing every aspect of the expansion? |
| 17:08.15 | Kevorkian | the NDA would cover that aspect of restricting information just fine without restricting revealing tester status |
| 17:08.52 | tyroney|work | I wish I couldn't tell you whether I was a tester. |
| 17:09.10 | cogwheel | ignore what i just said |
| 17:10.50 | Kevorkian | what was that? did you just say something? |
| 17:11.17 | cogwheel | Kirkburn|Vista: is htis how you looked when you first booted vista? http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experiences/default.mspx |
| 17:11.20 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 17:11.58 | TS|Skrom | if so, can I have your number? |
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| 17:17.37 | jaxdahl | marked a couple pics for speedy deletion |
| 17:17.45 | Qzot | tyroney: LOL. |
| 17:17.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | cogwheel, but of course :P |
| 17:18.28 | jaxdahl | man, this guy tried really hard to add a cockatrice |
| 17:18.36 | Kirkburn|Vista | Um, but I wasn't wearing make-up at the time |
| 17:18.38 | jaxdahl | he did a lot of edits to the cockatrice page w/o using preview |
| 17:18.43 | jaxdahl | here's one edit: |
| 17:18.44 | jaxdahl | C:\Documents and Settings\Paul\Desktop\zzz\cockatrice.jpg here is and image from http://www.wowexposed.de.vu/ |
| 17:19.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | lol |
| 17:20.11 | jaxdahl | thanks kirkburn |
| 17:20.14 | jaxdahl | how's vista? |
| 17:20.45 | jaxdahl | wowexposed has the new world maps up |
| 17:20.55 | jaxdahl | bloof elf land goes up quite a ways |
| 17:21.15 | jaxdahl | appears there are 3 new zones in that part |
| 17:22.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | Vista is excellent :P |
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| 17:23.15 | Beladona | I hate alpha leakers |
| 17:23.38 | Beladona | it just gives rise to the feeling that they didn't deserve access in the first place |
| 17:25.49 | Kevorkian | I like 'em, but only because I'm not in the alpha |
| 17:28.26 | Kevorkian | if I was in the alpha it'd tick me off too :) |
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| 17:35.09 | Beladona | I guess I am just strict about rules |
| 17:35.15 | Beladona | I believe an NDA shouldn't be broken |
| 17:35.24 | Beladona | regardless if I am in or out of the alpha |
| 17:35.50 | Qzot | alpha/beta testers who break the rules obviously don't even know the ABCs of morality. |
| 17:36.10 | Shadowed | or want to be famous for leaking "high profile" info :p |
| 17:36.13 | jaxdahl | hey Kirkburn|Vista |
| 17:36.22 | jaxdahl | i want to change Template:Bc |
| 17:36.28 | jaxdahl | and add this sentence: |
| 17:36.30 | Kevorkian | don't get me wrong, I disapprove of them breaking the rules, but I enjoy reaping the benefits of their immorality |
| 17:36.40 | jaxdahl | It is likely to contain information of a speculative nature and the content may change dramatically as the release approaches and more information becomes available. |
| 17:36.54 | Beladona | Kevorkian: there is then the issue of trust as well |
| 17:37.04 | Beladona | do you trust an anonymous source that could be making it up? |
| 17:37.07 | Beladona | as has been the case |
| 17:37.18 | Beladona | or wait for Blizz to reveal true information |
| 17:37.29 | Kevorkian | alpha's are in a state of flux, anything you see from an alpha even from a trusted source is subject to change |
| 17:37.43 | cogwheel | :( |
| 17:37.46 | jaxdahl | anyone else have any input on my suggested change? |
| 17:37.52 | Kevorkian | alpha leaks are akin to "juicy gossip" than anything |
| 17:37.54 | jaxdahl | for http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc |
| 17:38.00 | Beladona | aye, but an untrusted source is likely to purport false information much more easily than Blizz themselves |
| 17:38.11 | Beladona | I don't believe Blizz reports anything unless it is decided to be final |
| 17:38.14 | cogwheel | I'm surprised Lua doesn't compile: x = "Hello".."Goodbye" to the same bytecode as x = "HelloGoodbye" |
| 17:38.15 | Qzot | Beladona: Honestly, it would depend on the chain of trust up until the chain goes anonymous. |
| 17:38.20 | Beladona | hence the "lack" of information |
| 17:38.39 | jaxdahl | even if the info is true or false, people willl discuss it and have ideas and input that Blizz will take into account and change in the alpha - it'll be easier for them to change now than later in the beta |
| 17:38.57 | Beladona | they have testers for that |
| 17:39.00 | jaxdahl | Beladona, you are wrong |
| 17:39.06 | jaxdahl | <@Beladona> I don't believe Blizz reports anything unless it is decided to be final |
| 17:39.20 | jaxdahl | they released talents/spells and have changed them since then |
| 17:39.20 | Beladona | give an example of something reported, that is no longer true? |
| 17:39.25 | Shadowed | what jaxdahl said |
| 17:39.29 | Beladona | thats fine |
| 17:39.37 | jaxdahl | let's see |
| 17:39.38 | Beladona | the point is, they report it, but then report the changes |
| 17:39.38 | jaxdahl | ah |
| 17:39.39 | Kevorkian | shrug, people believe all sorts of crazy things without any outside assistance, having an unreliable source of unreliable information be the foundation of a system of beliefs is foolhardy under any circumstances, yet inevitably some folks will choose that path |
| 17:39.42 | jaxdahl | the dark portal world event |
| 17:39.47 | Shadowed | i don't think they ever reported the changes |
| 17:39.48 | jaxdahl | they said warlocks would open it |
| 17:39.52 | jaxdahl | but now it's kazzak that will open it |
| 17:39.56 | Beladona | its on the website is it not? |
| 17:40.01 | jaxdahl | Shadowed, tseric pointed out there were changes |
| 17:40.08 | Beladona | that in and of itself is a form of information release |
| 17:40.10 | Shadowed | ah didn't see that post then |
| 17:40.27 | Xuerian | Rumors and leaks are just that, rumors and leaks. They're not guaranteed to be true, and if you take them as fact it's your problem :P |
| 17:40.45 | Kevorkian | what xeurian said |
| 17:40.53 | Beladona | the point is, when Blizzard reports it. It can be guaranteed to be true <AT THE TIME> it was reported |
| 17:40.57 | Beladona | if it changes, so be it |
| 17:41.01 | Xuerian | Agreed |
| 17:41.29 | Shadowed | Not sure why you would consider anything released in Alpha regardless of the source to either be valid, or something that will stay until release |
| 17:41.43 | Beladona | anything I see on a 3rd party website, I take with a grain of salt |
| 17:42.52 | Kevorkian | beladona: I'm not disagreeing with you there, I'm just saying that sometimes juicy little tidbits are fun to speculate on. I have no inclination to be a person that releases alpha details (I've been an alpha tester for several other games and managed to easily restrain myself from posting leaks) but I do enjoy the morsels that percolate up from those that fail to stay true to their word |
| 17:43.31 | jaxdahl | if it's not true, oh well, no harm to me |
| 17:43.41 | jaxdahl | unless i reported it as true to others |
| 17:44.10 | Shadowed | in general, I don't believe talents/spells/armor until blizzard offically releases them since thats what people fake the most |
| 17:44.19 | Shadowed | But other things are usually pretty accurate |
| 17:44.41 | Kevorkian | I'm partial to the "OMG PALLIES SUMMON KITTENS" TYPE POSTS |
| 17:44.48 | Kevorkian | err -caps on the last bit |
| 17:44.49 | Kirov | I heard that in the alpha Trolls get an actually useful racial ability. It's called "gold digging", they can use it once every 5 minutes to get 10g, as well as everyone in their group. This is to offset the problems with Alliance now having Shamans and being evenly matched with the Horde. |
| 17:45.17 | Kirov | If Alliance are around, they loose 10g when it's used |
| 17:45.18 | Xuerian | haha |
| 17:45.23 | Beladona | thats where I am different. I think testers who leak should be flogged with pirahna's attached to chains |
| 17:45.33 | Kevorkian | mmm fishy |
| 17:45.34 | amro | lol |
| 17:45.43 | amro | i agree beladona |
| 17:45.50 | Kirov | Beladona - personally I'd use blow fish. |
| 17:45.53 | Xuerian | That should be a emulate quote XD |
| 17:46.02 | Beladona | those are lacerations |
| 17:46.05 | Kevorkian | meh, punishment fits the crime, I think testers who leak should have some skeletons from their closets exposed |
| 17:46.07 | Beladona | pirahnas will remove flesh |
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| 17:46.22 | Kirov | Beladona - not if they're being flogged against something. |
| 17:46.33 | Kirov | You'll just have mushy fish |
| 17:46.35 | Beladona | against something? |
| 17:46.42 | Kevorkian | blow fish would kill 'em too fast anyway |
| 17:47.04 | Kirov | hmm |
| 17:47.09 | Kevorkian | blowfish venom = [Instant Poison XXVIII] |
| 17:47.11 | Beladona | its not flogging if they get to lean against something |
| 17:47.22 | Beladona | string them up, pirates style. 40 laches |
| 17:47.26 | Beladona | lashes |
| 17:47.58 | Kirov | Kevorkian - blow fish venom isn't in thier spines, afaik. Maybe flog them with jelly fish tenticals |
| 17:48.54 | Kevorkian | ooh nasty, so long as it isn't man-o-wars, their neurotoxin has the same prob as blowfish venom |
| 17:49.12 | Beladona | electric eels |
| 17:49.37 | Beladona | they shouldn't die |
| 17:49.42 | Beladona | more fun that way |
| 17:55.05 | Kevorkian | kirov: you are correct incidentally about the pufferfish venom, it's mostly in the ovaries and liver |
| 17:55.15 | Kevorkian | there's a small amount in the skin and eyes |
| 17:55.26 | Kevorkian | but getting pricked with a spine wouldn't do a thing |
| 17:57.10 | Kirov | It's just a "eye for an eye" type defence. "If you're going to eat me, you're gunna die too sucka!" |
| 17:57.29 | Kirov | If they manage to get past the spines |
| 17:57.42 | Kevorkian | jellyfish though, that's just nasty. knew a guy once who got a tentacle of one of the northern varieties of jellyfish down his trunks. Apparently his testicles were about tennis ball size for a few days |
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| 17:58.11 | Kirochi | purl, dict testicles |
| 17:58.16 | Kevorkian | yet another excellent reason not to swim in the Chesapeake bay during the summer months |
| 17:58.25 | Kevorkian | breasts? |
| 17:58.29 | Kevorkian | ovary? |
| 17:58.33 | Xuerian | Em o_0 |
| 17:59.12 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 18:00.02 | kaso| | 512x512 is max size for textures right? |
| 18:00.06 | cogwheel | yep |
| 18:00.21 | cogwheel | thanks for joining me in my subject-changing efforts, kaso| :) |
| 18:00.46 | kaso| | ha, didnt even notice, still talking about alpha leaks i see |
| 18:01.04 | kaso| | oor not |
| 18:01.07 | TS|Skrom | bah... |
| 18:01.08 | Kevorkian | I think we'd veered off into using animal parts for torture |
| 18:01.12 | kaso| | what the hell are you talking about?! |
| 18:01.18 | kaso| | (18:58:18) (Kirochi) purl, dict testicles |
| 18:01.24 | kaso| | i didnt scroll up from that |
| 18:01.41 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/1002 -- can someone tell me why my usage of CreateFrame would be failing? |
| 18:01.43 | Kirov | kaso - amazingly from talking about the wow alpha. |
| 18:02.09 | Kirov | kaso - aparently the Draenei have a "tea bag" racial |
| 18:02.11 | TS|Skrom | is it because I'm trying to set parent using a variable? |
| 18:02.12 | Shadowed | CreateFrame only accepts and object not a string for parent |
| 18:02.15 | Shadowed | i believe |
| 18:02.23 | Shadowed | try getglobal( parent ) |
| 18:02.41 | Kevorkian | Kirov: camomile? |
| 18:02.56 | TS|Skrom | brilliant |
| 18:03.07 | TS|Skrom | thanks shadowed, I'm still learning the difference between types >< |
| 18:03.36 | cogwheel | no emulate kirov is <reply>It's too early in the morning for me to be able to read moron. || <reply>personally I'd use blow fish |
| 18:03.45 | cogwheel | mt |
| 18:03.46 | cogwheel | lol |
| 18:03.57 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:03.59 | Kevorkian | ~emulate kirov |
| 18:04.01 | purl | It's too early in the morning for me to be able to read moron. |
| 18:04.22 | cogwheel | ~emulate kirov |
| 18:04.23 | purl | personally I'd use blow fish |
| 18:04.33 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:04.37 | malreth | ~emulate malreth |
| 18:04.38 | purl | that makes me sticky in the pants |
| 18:04.44 | cogwheel | O.O |
| 18:04.55 | malreth | oh my, purl. you have a dirty mouth. |
| 18:05.08 | Shadowed | Why is CreateFrame not able to accept a string and an object anyway? |
| 18:05.22 | jaxdahl | sign, forums still down |
| 18:05.26 | cogwheel | you mean for the parent argument? |
| 18:05.31 | jaxdahl | they apparently found some 'corrupted data' |
| 18:05.34 | Kirov | Shadowed - because? |
| 18:05.57 | cogwheel | Same reason GetChannelName returns the channel number as its first return... |
| 18:06.01 | Shadowed | fair enough |
| 18:06.13 | Kirochi | Apparently the Draenei are totally badass cause their race can stand every class |
| 18:06.23 | Shadowed | probably had something to do with drinking and late night programming through cogwheel |
| 18:06.41 | Kirov | hmm |
| 18:06.46 | Kirochi | Maybe except for druids |
| 18:06.50 | warla | Due to some corruption of data uncovered in the data transfer, our expected window of resolution has been pushed back. We expect the forums to be down today as we clear up any corrupted data. Please bear with us as we work to bring the forums back up as soon as possible. |
| 18:07.01 | Kirov | I just realized there are now _3_ Kir___ names |
| 18:07.06 | warla | those blizz forum noobs are bad... |
| 18:07.45 | Kirov | And two Kiro___ |
| 18:07.54 | Kirov | Tabcomplete be damned! |
| 18:07.54 | Shadowed | Kirkburn|Vista Kirochi Kirov |
| 18:07.59 | Shadowed | somebodies going to have to go |
| 18:08.03 | Kirochi | I had figured this out |
| 18:08.11 | Kirkburn|Vista | be glad that I'm not logged in on my laptop :P |
| 18:08.15 | Kirov | I was here firstish ... after Kirkburn |
| 18:08.16 | Kevorkian | ~emulate Kevorkian |
| 18:08.17 | purl | Touch not the sheep and ye shall not yourself be touched. |
| 18:08.29 | Xuerian | XD |
| 18:08.52 | Kirochi | but I don't believe in series |
| 18:08.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | 'Kir' is obviously the best name prefix :) |
| 18:09.08 | Kirochi | I was on WoWwiki way b4 kirk |
| 18:09.34 | Kirochi | yupzor |
| 18:09.42 | Kirkburn|Vista | That's true, I only started around may |
| 18:10.09 | Kirkburn|Vista | Anyways, back to gaming :P |
| 18:10.16 | Kirochi | ^^ |
| 18:10.29 | Kirochi | who's gonna purchase WAR ? |
| 18:11.08 | malreth | WAR? |
| 18:11.09 | Kirochi | (did I say something wrong ?) |
| 18:11.14 | Kirov | Women Armadillo Rodeo? |
| 18:11.19 | Kirochi | :p |
| 18:11.22 | Kirochi | Warhammer online |
| 18:11.38 | Kirov | not I. |
| 18:11.43 | malreth | uh! what is it good for? absolutely nothing. good gawd yah. |
| 18:11.44 | Kirov | one mmo is too many already |
| 18:11.53 | jaxdahl | you may be interested in this: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/22772296.htm |
| 18:11.57 | Kirochi | hummm ... |
| 18:11.59 | Beladona | they are making a warhammer online? |
| 18:12.04 | Kirochi | it's not based on farming |
| 18:12.06 | Kirochi | yup |
| 18:12.12 | Kirochi | and it rox |
| 18:12.20 | jaxdahl | Beladona, very heavy on PVP |
| 18:12.33 | jaxdahl | the whole place is a battleground, with NPCs fighting each other a lot |
| 18:12.41 | jaxdahl | there are front lines |
| 18:12.45 | Beladona | oh ok,. I remember reading about that now. Then I dropped it from my mind like a bad habit. Sorry, took a second to come back to me |
| 18:13.15 | malreth | i used to play warhammer 40k in high school |
| 18:13.25 | Beladona | now warhammer 40k online? THAT might be cool |
| 18:13.31 | malreth | yes... |
| 18:13.33 | malreth | that would be |
| 18:13.55 | TS|Skrom | In the above case... how would I then get the frame name from the parent? something like: getglobal(parent:GetName().."Description"):SetText(spellName) is returning errors |
| 18:14.02 | malreth | but non-fantasy MMOs are too much of a risk and few companies will even attempt |
| 18:14.27 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: what's up? |
| 18:14.34 | TS|Skrom | one sec |
| 18:15.00 | Beladona | malreth: how is warhammer 40k not a fantasy mmo |
| 18:15.04 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:15.15 | malreth | too sci-fi futuristic |
| 18:15.28 | Beladona | bah |
| 18:15.32 | malreth | and when i say 'fantasy' i mean to say 'Tolkein' |
| 18:15.33 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/1003 |
| 18:15.35 | Beladona | think of it this way |
| 18:15.46 | Beladona | its a genre that hasn't been really successfully done |
| 18:15.59 | Beladona | the first company to make a successful scifi mmo, will pwn |
| 18:16.01 | malreth | s/Tolkein/Tolkien/ |
| 18:16.24 | Beladona | although it really should be an mmofps imho |
| 18:16.29 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: where do you define TotemTimerTimers_..school.."Description"? |
| 18:16.30 | malreth | well, we'll see how Tabula Rasa goes then |
| 18:16.37 | TS|Skrom | in xml |
| 18:16.51 | JoshBorke | btw, what errors? |
| 18:16.56 | Beladona | Tabula Rasa suffers from some real engine related shortcomings in my opinion |
| 18:17.17 | TS|Skrom | attempt to index a nil value on that line |
| 18:17.30 | Beladona | its not easy to pin down either. it is one of those "it doesn't feel right" things |
| 18:17.36 | TS|Skrom | nm... I think I see it, hold on |
| 18:17.38 | Beladona | and to an end-user "feel right" is everything |
| 18:17.47 | TS|Skrom | wait, no I don' |
| 18:17.53 | malreth | my friend is a QA tester for TR |
| 18:18.03 | malreth | he said pretty much the same thing |
| 18:18.25 | TS|Skrom | wait, yes I do |
| 18:18.44 | malreth | something like, "it seems like it would be a good game, but it probably isn't going to be" |
| 18:18.47 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/1003 this is correct :-/ |
| 18:20.47 | jaxdahl | Beladona, Eve isn't sucessful in your eyes? |
| 18:21.12 | Xuerian | EVE was a awesome game, it just got boring and didn't have interface modifications to fall back on... |
| 18:21.36 | jaxdahl | i think it's done fairly well for its niche |
| 18:21.46 | cogwheel | I played eve for a while... I loved it's economic system |
| 18:21.54 | jaxdahl | Star Wars could've been great |
| 18:22.00 | cogwheel | But it was really hard to accomplish anything substantial in a short session |
| 18:22.01 | jaxdahl | but i think the devs/owners screwed it up |
| 18:22.08 | Kirov | It's difficult to judge what a "successful" mmo is at this point. WoW has blown all previous points of reference out of the water. |
| 18:22.12 | jaxdahl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.26 | Kirov | Lineage 2 for example is a "successful" mmo, but it's user base is a third of WoW's |
| 18:22.31 | jaxdahl | Star Trek.. |
| 18:22.40 | jaxdahl | Star Trek is very space based though |
| 18:22.52 | jaxdahl | rather than world by world like star wars |
| 18:23.24 | Xuerian | Kirov: A third is still extremly large :P |
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| 18:28.58 | tyroney|work | ~emulate tyroney |
| 18:29.00 | purl | ACTION mourns the forums. |
| 18:29.37 | tyroney|work | ~emulate tyroney |
| 18:29.38 | purl | ACTION prays for the forums |
| 18:29.40 | tyroney|work | ~botsnack |
| 18:29.40 | purl | tyroney|work: thanks |
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| 18:30.50 | Kirochi | purl, dict warcraft |
| 18:30.57 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:30.58 | malreth | purl, wiki warcraft |
| 18:30.59 | Kirochi | Asshole |
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| 18:31.13 | Kirochi | ^^ |
| 18:31.21 | Kirochi | now THAT'S better |
| 18:31.27 | Xuerian | purl needs to learn to strip templates. |
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| 18:31.34 | Kirochi | yep |
| 18:31.44 | Kirochi | purl, dict purl sucks |
| 18:31.55 | Kirochi | O'rly ? |
| 18:32.27 | TS|Skrom | Kirochi XD |
| 18:32.44 | malreth | purl, O RLY? |
| 18:32.45 | purl | ACTION sings with malreth |
| 18:32.52 | malreth | i don't get it |
| 18:32.59 | jaxdahl | ~emulate jaxdahl |
| 18:33.03 | ckknight | ~literal O RLY? |
| 18:33.06 | purl | ACTION sings with ckknight |
| 18:33.12 | ckknight | ~literal O RLY |
| 18:33.13 | purl | ACTION sings with ckknight |
| 18:33.27 | jaxdahl | purl, literal O RLY |
| 18:33.29 | purl | ACTION sings with jaxdahl |
| 18:33.34 | ckknight | purl, no, O RLY? is <reply>YA RLY! |
| 18:33.35 | purl | okay, ckknight |
| 18:33.36 | malreth | purl, O RLY |
| 18:33.37 | purl | ACTION sings with malreth |
| 18:33.45 | ckknight | ~O RLY? |
| 18:33.47 | purl | ACTION sings with ckknight |
| 18:33.52 | ckknight | purl, no, O RLY is <reply>YA RLY! |
| 18:33.54 | purl | i already had it that way, ckknight |
| 18:33.58 | ckknight | hrm. |
| 18:34.02 | ckknight | ~ORLY |
| 18:34.03 | purl | YARLY |
| 18:34.08 | ckknight | ~YARLY |
| 18:34.10 | purl | NO WAI! |
| 18:34.27 | jaxdahl | ~YAWAI |
| 18:34.52 | malreth | ~SRSLY |
| 18:35.19 | JoshBorke | ~whalebomb everyone |
| 18:35.20 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at everyone and hides. |
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| 18:37.50 | TS|Skrom | http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i257/derick_donnel/totemTimersPhase1.jpg |
| 18:37.59 | TS|Skrom | wheeee |
| 18:38.27 | Xuerian | yours? :P |
| 18:38.46 | TS|Skrom | aye, new project I started last night |
| 18:38.52 | Xuerian | Nice. |
| 18:38.58 | TS|Skrom | now to figure out how to make em tick down>< |
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| 18:39.17 | Xuerian | lol |
| 18:41.52 | tyroney|work | Shouldn't be too hard. Just think, next thing you know, you'll have little timers running all over. |
| 18:42.05 | TS|Skrom | awww aren't they cute! |
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| 18:48.30 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 18:48.35 | JoshBorke | corrupted ashbringer went to paladin |
| 18:48.40 | JoshBorke | and hammer of the twisting nether went to paladin |
| 18:48.44 | JoshBorke | that's awesome. DPS and HPs |
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| 19:05.09 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: morning |
| 19:09.08 | Beladona | hiya clad |
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| 19:12.29 | amro | damn typos |
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| 19:12.41 | amro | 30min of debugging cuz of one :( |
| 19:12.52 | malreth | whoa.. how long was i away? |
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| 19:14.18 | malreth | somehow, i lost my connection but i never showed up as disconnected in my client... |
| 19:14.38 | malreth | i've been chatting with myself for the past 10 minutes, apparently |
| 19:14.51 | malreth | i wondered why no one was speaking... guess that explains it |
| 19:14.58 | Xuerian|Outdoors | MalYeah, you must've split :P |
| 19:15.04 | Xuerian|Outdoors | malreth: * |
| 19:15.36 | malreth | just me, though? it didn't seem like a split |
| 19:16.36 | Xuerian|Outdoors | I didn't mean it literally. Just grabbed at a word :p |
| 19:16.43 | malreth | well then... back to my little diatribe... |
| 19:16.54 | Xuerian|Outdoors | ~dict diatribe |
| 19:17.06 | malreth | i had an idea yesterday about rewriting the entire WoW API to use named arguments and mimic Smalltalk... it was insane |
| 19:17.19 | Xuerian|Outdoors | Smalltalk? |
| 19:17.29 | cogwheel | ~wiki Smalltalk |
| 19:17.34 | malreth | local myFrame = Frame:new{ofType = "Frame", withName = "Foo", childOf = UIParent, inheritedFrom = "Whatever"} |
| 19:18.16 | malreth | not the most efficient way, but it would be self-documenting and very readable |
| 19:18.25 | tyroney|work | Sounds like a lot of typing. |
| 19:18.38 | cogwheel | "not the most efficient way" QFT |
| 19:18.49 | cogwheel | a table constructor for every function call ;) |
| 19:18.58 | malreth | yes... i thought of that, cog |
| 19:19.14 | cogwheel | but yes, very readable :) |
| 19:19.28 | malreth | and you could have the args in any order |
| 19:19.34 | cogwheel | now, if lua just added named parameters, that would be efficiently possible :) |
| 19:19.40 | tyroney|work | I don't read code, I run it. |
| 19:19.46 | tyroney|work | Well, ideally I do. |
| 19:19.48 | malreth | which allows Blizz to change parameters whenever they want |
| 19:20.11 | malreth | cog... hmm... that would be nice |
| 19:20.47 | ckknight | malreth, there's a better way to do it if you do the arguments tablet-style |
| 19:21.13 | malreth | local myFrame = Frame:new(ofType: FRAME, withName: "Foo", childOf: UIParent, inheritedFrom: "Whatever") |
| 19:21.19 | malreth | but we can't do that... |
| 19:21.23 | malreth | ckknight: tablet-style |
| 19:21.38 | tyroney|work | So what will happen to the world with no forums? Just think of all the people seething in their rage, drowning in their errors, and pouting with noone to tell their deepest feelings. |
| 19:21.55 | malreth | nothing, tyroney|work |
| 19:22.01 | Xuerian|Outdoors | lol, tyroney|work |
| 19:22.04 | tyroney|work | I just miss them. |
| 19:22.05 | malreth | those people would still keep on playing |
| 19:22.32 | malreth | they just post on the forums because they're attention-starved whores |
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| 19:23.15 | tyroney|work | Maybe I should write a script and send it to hopeisemo |
| 19:24.04 | ckknight_ | hopeisemo is awesome. |
| 19:24.27 | jaxdahl | i thought hzhao would be experienced enough to know not to upload alpha images |
| 19:27.29 | malreth | ckknight: i see what you mean |
| 19:28.22 | malreth | local myFrame = Frame:new('ofType', FRAME, 'withName', "Foo", 'childOf', UIParent, 'inheritedFrom', "Whatever") |
| 19:28.40 | Beladona | back to the new api thing. It may not be the defacto solution, but why not just create your own library of functions that uses that as input. Example: local myFrame = self:CreateFrame({ofType = "Frame", withName = "Foo", chilfOd = UIParent, inheritedFrom = "Whatever"}); |
| 19:28.54 | Beladona | wouldn't that effectively do something similar to what you want to achieve without rewriting the api? |
| 19:29.21 | malreth | Beladona: yeah... mostly my thinking was a result of low blood sugar from not eating that day |
| 19:29.35 | malreth | i got more and more deranged until i eventually passed out |
| 19:29.36 | Beladona | which is how most programmers operate |
| 19:29.38 | Beladona | =D |
| 19:30.17 | malreth | ideally, the entire wow api would be in a new module |
| 19:30.25 | Beladona | well |
| 19:30.45 | Beladona | that ultimately adds extra overhead to function calls |
| 19:30.46 | malreth | or something |
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| 19:30.54 | Beladona | that aren't really necessary |
| 19:30.57 | malreth | true |
| 19:31.17 | malreth | well then, at least a set of well defined objects |
| 19:31.31 | Beladona | you just want wow to operate in true OO |
| 19:31.33 | Beladona | I know |
| 19:31.37 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:31.47 | malreth | yes! that's what I want! |
| 19:31.52 | Beladona | if only it were that easy |
| 19:32.16 | ckknight_ | how isn't it that easy? |
| 19:32.26 | tyroney|work | "So, I was playing my druid in Warsong Gultch. I was in cat form, because I wanted to feel closer to the animals. They're so much more pure than the people around them, who are the ones who really should be called animals... anyways..." |
| 19:32.29 | Beladona | honestly though, I think people will like some of the new stuff coming, from an addon development standpoint |
| 19:32.30 | malreth | when I talk about the WoW api... i want to be able to use such words as 'orthagonal' and 'opaque' |
| 19:32.40 | Beladona | but then, some people will break down and cry too |
| 19:32.49 | malreth | those people are weak |
| 19:32.54 | Beladona | agreed |
| 19:33.00 | Beladona | adapt, or die |
| 19:33.03 | malreth | programmers who can't adapt to change can get out of the way |
| 19:33.03 | Beladona | tis my motto |
| 19:33.36 | malreth | flexibility is a fundamental aspect of programming |
| 19:33.48 | JoshBorke | no! don't take my getn! |
| 19:34.05 | malreth | oh, YOU'LL get your getn |
| 19:34.09 | Kirochi | I want teh panther form rigged for armor !!!11! |
| 19:35.37 | TS|Skrom | *sigh* I just don't see how this works lol |
| 19:36.40 | tyroney|work | can't get your timers timing? |
| 19:36.48 | TS|Skrom | no, not quite :( |
| 19:36.52 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/1007 |
| 19:36.57 | Thrae | Programmers aren't suppose to be flexible! What do you think programming is, a system for using the various mix-and-match hardware inside a computer to do an almost infinite number of different tasks? Where's the flexibility in THAT?! |
| 19:36.57 | TS|Skrom | no errors... just no changes |
| 19:37.20 | malreth | Thrae: hehe |
| 19:37.27 | TS|Skrom | duh.. I never called a second GetTime to compare it to >< |
| 19:38.16 | ckknight_ | tyroney|work, lol. |
| 19:39.03 | ckknight_ | JoshBorke, we still have getn |
| 19:39.05 | ckknight_ | just not setn |
| 19:41.05 | Kevorkian | isn't setn used to force an array to be a given size? |
| 19:41.58 | malreth | i thought getn was going away... it's replaced by the # operator |
| 19:42.18 | Mikma | nevcairiel: yo problem |
| 19:42.27 | nevcairiel | Mikma: ? |
| 19:42.30 | Thrae | It was my impression setn and getn only deal with the internal element counter, and only if you use table.insert and table.remove |
| 19:42.35 | TS|Skrom | lol I got them timing but they are going the wrong way lol |
| 19:42.38 | Kevorkian | as in "array_size #= some_table"? |
| 19:42.44 | malreth | Thrae: you are correct |
| 19:42.54 | malreth | Kevorkian: size = #someTable |
| 19:42.57 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: lol |
| 19:43.08 | Mikma | nevcairiel: profilechanging doesn't seem to show other bars |
| 19:43.09 | Kevorkian | works for me |
| 19:43.17 | Kevorkian | ~emulate Kevorkian |
| 19:43.20 | purl | I'd rather be euthanizing some youth in Asia. |
| 19:43.20 | nevcairiel | Mikma: dunno, and wrong channel |
| 19:43.24 | Mikma | lol |
| 19:43.30 | Thrae | Good riddance I say, getn and setn never worked right for anything I wanted to do |
| 19:44.06 | malreth | yes... them and the hidden n element on tables were messy |
| 19:44.27 | tyroney|work | I tried using getn once, and it didn't work. So I just used my own variable and did it the old-fashioned way. |
| 19:45.02 | malreth | now, an array logically ends at index n when n+1 is nil |
| 19:45.07 | Kevorkian | when I was a kid we didn't even have old fashioned variables, we had to carve the count into our flesh |
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| 19:45.44 | Kirochi | http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2006-09-21.gif |
| 19:45.45 | Thrae | When I was a kid, we didn't have both 0s and 1s. We were lucky if we even had 0s! |
| 19:46.27 | malreth | ishida is a comic artist who truly understands how to make a successful comic |
| 19:46.56 | malreth | he follows the jim davis school of thought |
| 19:47.23 | malreth | make it simple... make it lowest common denominator... and commercialize commercialize commercialize |
| 19:47.40 | tyroney|work | That whole garfield machine is really something else. |
| 19:47.52 | Thrae | If there was an "adult" section of the newspaper, not only would his comic be on it, but sales of newspapers would rise 10000%. |
| 19:48.57 | malreth | tyroney|work: "machine" is correct |
| 19:48.57 | malreth | garfield wasn't created... it was engineered |
| 19:49.01 | malreth | designed to be commercially successful from every aspect |
| 19:49.11 | tyroney|work | This is starting to sound like some strange horror flick |
| 19:49.32 | tyroney|work | I've heard the stories. |
| 19:51.01 | Thrae | Garfield isn't that bad. Its style of humour is a little before my time now that I'm an adult, but it's great for kids. |
| 19:51.44 | Kirochi | Garfield's logic has always surprised me |
| 19:51.56 | malreth | http://www.slate.com/id/2102299 |
| 19:52.04 | Kirochi | It's not very funny in itself, but it's stunningly effective |
| 19:52.15 | Thrae | I've had cats since I was 5, so I get all of the cat jokes. For me, it's unfunny as much times as Dilbert is, reusing the same jokes over and over. |
| 19:52.25 | malreth | exactly! |
| 19:52.32 | malreth | garfield is predictable |
| 19:52.39 | malreth | and that's why it has succeeded so wel |
| 19:52.46 | malreth | s/wel/well |
| 19:52.48 | malreth | s/wel/well/ |
| 19:53.25 | malreth | Jim Davis has actually written deep... profound stuff |
| 19:53.31 | Kirochi | yupp |
| 19:53.33 | malreth | but that stuff doesn't sell |
| 19:53.35 | Kirochi | POOKIE ! |
| 19:54.21 | Kirochi | that's why "Howard the Duck" didn't succeed where Star Wars has unfairly done it |
| 19:54.25 | malreth | so we get cats, dogs, lasagna, and Mondays |
| 19:54.37 | Thrae | You can't put deep, profound stuff on the newspaper's comic section, people will complain! "Damn you editors, you made my child THINK! How dare you! Now he says he doesn't believe me when I tell him the sky is blue because GOD says so!" |
| 19:55.00 | Kirov | Howard the Duck didn't succeed because it was a crap movie |
| 19:55.12 | Kirochi | God is the greatest journalist ever |
| 19:55.27 | Thrae | Kirochi: Not everyone wants to see a movie about some pervert duck |
| 19:55.27 | Kirochi | making people think crap while there's so much nice stuff out there |
| 19:56.07 | Thrae | Star Wars was the token fantasy story made into a sci-fi movie. No one had successfully done it before, that's why it worked so well. |
| 19:56.07 | Kevorkian | jehova plagarized creation from osiris anyway |
| 19:56.45 | Kevorkian | and osiris cribbed it from enki |
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| 19:57.35 | Thrae | The princess, the young knight, the evil black knight and his evil king. The Robin Hood-type and his large, but silent henchman. |
| 19:58.05 | Beladona | darn, I missed the betn, setn discussion |
| 19:58.08 | Beladona | getn* |
| 19:58.30 | Kirochi | whereas WoW isn't a token fantasy story at all |
| 19:58.33 | Kirochi | =) |
| 19:58.38 | Kevorkian | and it's pretty certain that enki cribbed all of creation from Cthulu but enki was such a joker he left out all the devouring of souls because he wanted it to be a surprise |
| 19:58.57 | Thrae | Kirochi: WoW isn't tokenized, it's tolkenized ;) |
| 19:58.58 | tyroney|work | Oops! By the way, he'll eat your soul. |
| 19:59.12 | Qzot | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/21/google_sunbather/ |
| 19:59.32 | Kirochi | :p |
| 19:59.52 | Kirochi | my father often jokes about "Jr. Token" |
| 20:00.25 | Thrae | Of course, Tolkien stole a lot from an old German mythological story, quite boldly stole from it too. |
| 20:00.53 | Kirochi | yep, and from this german mythology with a bit of celtic myths he created an english mythology |
| 20:01.06 | Kirov | Because no one steals ideas from only fantasy stories. |
| 20:01.10 | Thrae | I wouldn't call his writings "mythical" ;) |
| 20:01.13 | Kirov | er, other |
| 20:01.16 | tyroney|work | What is this, a classroom? |
| 20:01.21 | Kevorkian | I like the norse myths better, more beer drinking and such |
| 20:01.36 | tyroney|work | Don't mind me. |
| 20:01.41 | Thrae | German myths were much like Norse myths, lots of beer drinking too |
| 20:01.58 | Thrae | Since the Norse were also a Germanic tribe :D |
| 20:03.20 | Kirochi | And the Dwarves are from the Norse one :^p |
| 20:03.34 | Kirochi | DURF FTW |
| 20:03.43 | Kevorkian | ya, but the germans didn't have fjords! you can't drink beer properly without a good fjord |
| 20:03.59 | FtH|eagle | what's fjord? |
| 20:04.12 | Thrae | German Ford :D |
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| 20:04.29 | Kevorkian | purl, dict fjord |
| 20:04.31 | Industrial | Why am I not seeing my buttons? http://pastey.net/1009 |
| 20:04.41 | Beladona | as in, vehicle that breaks down often? |
| 20:04.46 | Kirochi | :p |
| 20:04.46 | Beladona | oh that |
| 20:04.48 | Kirochi | nay |
| 20:04.50 | Thrae | You could call the Norse "Dwarves", the Europeans were reportedly pretty small, ~5" |
| 20:05.09 | Kirochi | noo, I meant the dwarves came from the norse mythology |
| 20:05.25 | Beladona | the Norse aren't mythological! |
| 20:05.31 | Thrae | Although that information is from the Middle Ages, they could have shrunk once the nobility became about blood instead of who can bash the most heads |
| 20:05.39 | Industrial | yeah they are |
| 20:05.43 | Industrial | they are scandinavian |
| 20:05.53 | Industrial | at least the peopler you rfer to |
| 20:05.53 | Industrial | :p |
| 20:05.56 | Industrial | -r |
| 20:05.59 | Industrial | +e |
| 20:06.06 | Beladona | tel that to helga, and watch as she body slams you between drinks of ale |
| 20:06.14 | Kirochi | :p |
| 20:06.19 | Industrial | anyway |
| 20:06.21 | Kirochi | body-slammed by a goddess |
| 20:06.24 | Industrial | Why am I not seeing my buttons? http://pastey.net/1009 |
| 20:06.32 | Kevorkian | just for kicks some day I will become filthy rich and buy an island nation and rename it "fiction" just so I can call my people "fictional" |
| 20:06.36 | Beladona | cataracts? |
| 20:06.47 | Kirochi | xD blindfold ? |
| 20:06.48 | Industrial | wha? |
| 20:06.55 | Industrial | red? |
| 20:07.09 | Kirochi | y u cunt c yer buttons |
| 20:07.14 | Kevorkian | emus and petroleum jelly? |
| 20:07.34 | JoshBorke | where's the show? |
| 20:07.34 | TS|Skrom | hrmpf... okay here's what I've got so far. Each timer shows up correctly when a totem is first cast, if you recast from an existing school, teh timer restarts with the new duration and name. When the timer runs out without casting a new it hides itself which is what I thought I wanted... but now if the timer hides another cast doesn't show it again |
| 20:07.38 | Industrial | Kirochi: they just dont show |
| 20:07.57 | Industrial | oh |
| 20:08.01 | Industrial | never mind |
| 20:08.10 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:08.12 | Beladona | that |
| 20:08.26 | Beladona | and more importantly, wher eis the popcorn for the show! |
| 20:09.01 | Beladona | just a question |
| 20:09.08 | Beladona | why do you nil Buttons when it is local anyway? |
| 20:09.24 | Beladona | to shrink it for GC? |
| 20:09.50 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: are you explicitly calling show when they get cast? |
| 20:10.19 | TS|Skrom | sec |
| 20:10.34 | Industrial | Beladona: yea |
| 20:10.46 | Kirochi | :p |
| 20:10.56 | Kirochi | "yea" isn't technically an answer |
| 20:11.05 | Beladona | never seen anyone do that. Does it actually cause any noticeable improvement in performance? |
| 20:11.09 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/1011 |
| 20:11.10 | Industrial | technically it is |
| 20:11.21 | Beladona | would be nice to see tests on that subject |
| 20:11.26 | TS|Skrom | CheckExistingTimer() is called on action key press |
| 20:11.27 | Industrial | its the will my name clash in the gns or do i type long names everywhere :P |
| 20:11.36 | Industrial | i just do something in between |
| 20:11.52 | Beladona | wha? |
| 20:12.11 | Industrial | I dont want to use Myaddon_MyFunction() I think that sucks |
| 20:12.15 | Beladona | right |
| 20:12.18 | Beladona | its local.... |
| 20:12.21 | Industrial | but what if i have a table named Buttons |
| 20:12.27 | Beladona | I don't see the possible name pollution |
| 20:12.44 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/1012 -- er check this one... forgot to put the function call that's deleting them at the bottom |
| 20:13.01 | Industrial | well why wouldnt I have it in my addon name :P |
| 20:13.05 | Industrial | err, table |
| 20:13.17 | Beladona | its local to THAT specific script |
| 20:13.27 | Industrial | i know what local does |
| 20:13.32 | Industrial | but what if something else needs it |
| 20:13.43 | Beladona | so, are you saying you are worried about possibly using Buttons again in that same script, and causing a problem? |
| 20:13.58 | Beladona | even though you have COMPLETE control over that? |
| 20:14.03 | TS|Skrom | I think it has something to do with the if(this:GetValue() == 0) but I'm not sure how |
| 20:14.28 | Beladona | not slamming you, just thought it weird |
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| 20:14.46 | Industrial | well i could also just make a for loop and hide MainMenuBar |
| 20:14.52 | Industrial | and put all my tweaks in one file |
| 20:14.57 | Industrial | and call it MYADDON |
| 20:16.31 | Kevorkian | just use setfenv |
| 20:16.33 | Industrial | I dont like having to type Myaddon.whatever.Buttons:createThisOrThat() every time so i just have Buttons local until im done with it in that file |
| 20:17.26 | Industrial | is that, weird? |
| 20:17.38 | Kevorkian | yes |
| 20:17.39 | Industrial | s/, /... / |
| 20:18.03 | Kirochi | yes, it is |
| 20:18.14 | Industrial | guess im just lazy then |
| 20:18.19 | Industrial | but why are the buttons not working? |
| 20:18.21 | Kevorkian | but if you're worried about variable namespace issues then use it |
| 20:18.24 | Industrial | showing* |
| 20:18.25 | Beladona | its not weird - what is weird is that you can't come up with enough possible names, that you have to dump the same name so you can reuse it in your same script, despite it being local |
| 20:18.37 | Beladona | just seems - lazy |
| 20:18.39 | Beladona | but well |
| 20:18.44 | Beladona | lazy is a mantra |
| 20:18.57 | Industrial | I'm lazy :P |
| 20:19.25 | Beladona | why not make it super simply then? |
| 20:19.28 | Beladona | b |
| 20:19.31 | Beladona | instead of buttons |
| 20:19.33 | Beladona | lol |
| 20:19.40 | Industrial | I dunno >_o |
| 20:19.50 | Thrae | I do that all the time |
| 20:20.02 | Thrae | MyAddon.Button = CreateFrame("Button") |
| 20:20.08 | Thrae | b = MyAddon.Button |
| 20:20.11 | JoshBorke | i hate single character variable names :-P |
| 20:20.22 | Industrial | I hate typing |
| 20:20.28 | Thrae | Since it's a reference, it's mostly free |
| 20:20.36 | Industrial | ir coming up with regex to undo the single character variable names |
| 20:20.37 | Beladona | Thrae, why not just do b = CreateFrame? |
| 20:20.53 | Industrial | because you need the frame for reference |
| 20:21.00 | Beladona | as a global, ok |
| 20:21.08 | Beladona | or you could name the frame, but anyway |
| 20:21.11 | Kevorkian | josh: first circular comm buffer I had to take over maintenance for the guy who wrote the code used the variables b, x, y, xx, yy. It took me 4 hours to figure out what he was doing |
| 20:21.30 | Industrial | MyAddonsConfigScreenOptionZButtonText |
| 20:21.31 | Industrial | blech |
| 20:21.41 | Thrae | Beladona: I don't like to lose references to frames since they aren't GC'd, and MyAddon is always a global. I don't like to pollute the global namespace otherwise. |
| 20:21.56 | Beladona | no I understand the logic |
| 20:22.04 | Beladona | there are still frames I have had to name for one reason or another |
| 20:22.11 | Beladona | but I use the same technique |
| 20:22.27 | Thrae | Yeah, sometimes I remake templates to avoid using the damn "name" convention |
| 20:22.32 | Beladona | one global namespace, with everything under it |
| 20:22.41 | Beladona | well, everything that NEEDS to be under it |
| 20:22.55 | Thrae | I suppose I could let it set a name, then destroy the global |
| 20:23.34 | Beladona | if you set a name, it isn't a reference, so that might be cheaper on memory |
| 20:23.41 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.04 | Beladona | do you create templates in lua? |
| 20:24.11 | Beladona | tempaltes for inheritance I mean |
| 20:24.28 | Thrae | Beladona: Haven't had a chance since it was introduced |
| 20:24.43 | Beladona | making frames in lua period? |
| 20:25.26 | Thrae | And if you set a name in Lua, I thought it still set the global reference for you? |
| 20:25.57 | Thrae | Beladona: No, just doing virtual frame stuff in Lua |
| 20:26.25 | Thrae | Well creating, I've done inheritance, just not virtual frame creation in Lua yet. |
| 20:26.59 | Beladona | it does, but if you do: MyAddon.MyDamnFrame = CreateFrame('Frame', "MyDamnFrame"); the frame it creates isn't a reference, your MyAddon.MyDamnFrame is |
| 20:27.17 | Beladona | so you could unset MyAddon.MyDamnFrame, and the frame would still be htere |
| 20:28.00 | Beladona | the problem I have though |
| 20:28.06 | Beladona | is if you do this |
| 20:28.15 | Thrae | Beladona: But just CreateFrame("Frame", "MyDamnFrame") would make a global reference to "MyDamnFrame". |
| 20:28.23 | Beladona | MyAddon.MyDamnFrame = CreateFrame('Frame', nil); |
| 20:28.28 | Beladona | the frame you created is nil |
| 20:28.34 | Beladona | well, not named |
| 20:28.36 | Beladona | right? |
| 20:28.52 | Beladona | and anyone could come by and set your MyAddon.MyDamnFrame to something else |
| 20:28.57 | Beladona | destroying your reference to it |
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| 20:29.14 | Thrae | Yes, it's just not named, and I am pretty sure setting the name also adds a global reference to it. |
| 20:29.15 | Cide | um |
| 20:29.19 | Beladona | thats why I use locals for those |
| 20:29.24 | Cide | any variable that "contains" a frame is a reference |
| 20:29.26 | Industrial | 10G |
| 20:29.28 | Industrial | 10G |
| 20:29.31 | Industrial | ups |
| 20:29.35 | Beladona | right |
| 20:29.39 | Beladona | not arguing that Cide |
| 20:29.55 | Thrae | Beladona: For instance, MyDamnFrame = CreateFrame("Frame", "MyDamnFrame") is redundant. |
| 20:30.01 | Beladona | ok, say I do that, creating the frame, and MyAddon.MyFrame becomes the reference to that frame |
| 20:30.09 | Beladona | yes Thrae |
| 20:30.17 | Cide | you could theoretically access any frame as long as it has somewhat unique properties, local or not |
| 20:30.36 | Beladona | then say someoen else comes along and does MyAddon.MyFrame = getglobal("SomeOtherFrame"); |
| 20:30.43 | Thrae | Beladona: Because specifying a name, even if you are putting it into a local, still creates a global reference in Lua along with creating it in the underlying C. |
| 20:31.00 | Beladona | you would need to access the frame created previously through another method |
| 20:31.10 | Cide | EnumerateFrames would do the job |
| 20:31.10 | Beladona | but if you reference MyAddon.MyFrame, its been remapped |
| 20:31.16 | Beladona | yeah I know |
| 20:31.24 | Beladona | I am just saying it isn't a "safe" way to do it imho |
| 20:31.31 | TS|Skrom | there's a CreateFrame... is there no, DestroyFrame? |
| 20:31.38 | Beladona | you can't destroy |
| 20:31.44 | Cide | I don't see why you want to protect against other addon authors, if they purposefully go in and edit your stuff it's likely to add something - if it is to remove something, users will likely remove the addon if they don't like the functionality |
| 20:31.45 | Thrae | You could use AceOO, it has the ability to do "private" methods ;) |
| 20:32.20 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: Currently, Frames cannot be destroyed once created. |
| 20:32.20 | Beladona | because I don't necessarily want my addons to be alterable |
| 20:32.20 | Beladona | except within itself |
| 20:32.20 | Cide | Beladona: MyAddon = nil then? |
| 20:32.34 | Beladona | right |
| 20:32.43 | Beladona | its not perfect, but you see my point |
| 20:32.56 | Cide | yes, though personally I don't see the need :) |
| 20:32.59 | Thrae | Beladona: AceOO uses metatables to redirect __index to give a more "class" like feel to Lua. |
| 20:33.01 | Beladona | if I create a frame with no name, I do it as a local, otherwise it can be messed with |
| 20:33.16 | Beladona | if I create a frame with a name, I access that frame by name, or I create a local that references it |
| 20:33.26 | Cide | I store those in my addon table just so others could modify them if they wanted to |
| 20:33.59 | Cide | it just comes down to opinions & POV |
| 20:34.06 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:34.11 | Beladona | and how you want your addon written |
| 20:34.18 | Beladona | if you want it accessible to tohers to modify, great |
| 20:34.21 | Beladona | I tend to not |
| 20:34.50 | Thrae | Beladona: Email Thott, he has a great obsfucator ;) |
| 20:34.51 | Beladona | and that isn't saying others are wrong for wanting to |
| 20:35.54 | TS|Skrom | wewt I fixed it ;) |
| 20:36.09 | TS|Skrom | when the value hits 0 I unset the OnUpdate script for that frame :) |
| 20:38.42 | Kirochi | New topic : who'll play Magni Bronzebeard in the WoW motion picture ? |
| 20:41.18 | Mikma | cladhaire: any eta on svn? |
| 20:41.39 | Beladona | when it is fixed |
| 20:41.46 | Beladona | (canned answer) |
| 20:41.50 | JoshBorke | poor clad :-( |
| 20:42.20 | Mikma | Beladona: yeah ;) |
| 20:43.11 | Kirochi | :p I feel like worthless |
| 20:44.00 | Amro | Beladona: any specific reason why you dont want your addons modified, or is it just because you dont want them to be? |
| 20:44.43 | Beladona | it introduces more points of possible issues that I can't easily troubleshoot |
| 20:45.34 | Amro | good point |
| 20:45.34 | Amro | you could do what blizz does, "Delete your AddOns folder" (except your addon) :P |
| 20:45.45 | Beladona | obviously I can't prevent all modification, nor would I. But it does reduce points of collision |
| 20:45.50 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:46.21 | Beladona | that that I have ever had a problem with that happening either |
| 20:46.35 | Beladona | its just a design principle I have always adhered to |
| 20:46.55 | Beladona | reduce surface of exploitation =P |
| 20:47.28 | Industrial | prevent modifications? why not just make one table named after your addon and chug all your functions and vars etc in it? |
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| 20:47.47 | Industrial | any modifications made will be on purpose |
| 20:49.43 | Beladona | .... |
| 20:49.49 | Industrial | ..? :S |
| 20:49.54 | Beladona | anyway |
| 20:50.07 | Beladona | nah, you just missed the whole point. But thats cool |
| 20:50.13 | Industrial | oki |
| 20:50.26 | Beladona | I wonder when they plan to publish 1.12.1 |
| 20:50.50 | malreth | Beladona: http://lua-users.org/wiki/ReadOnlyTables |
| 20:50.58 | malreth | have your cake and eat it too |
| 20:53.43 | Beladona | ahh yes, good |
| 20:54.05 | JoshBorke | then you'll REALLY know they are trying to do you harm |
| 20:54.53 | malreth | hmm... it seems obvious but s = "hello"; print(#s) works as expected in lua 5.1 |
| 20:55.02 | malreth | i figured it would... now i know for sure |
| 20:55.17 | Amro | grab lua5.1 |
| 20:55.51 | malreth | grab spelled backwards is barg |
| 20:59.12 | krka | malreth: metatables on strings FTW |
| 20:59.18 | Kevorkian | sdrawkcab klat ot tnaw ouy od yhw |
| 20:59.30 | krka | ufts |
| 20:59.45 | JoshBorke | ftw |
| 20:59.48 | Kevorkian | ommom oy |
| 20:59.49 | Qzot | malreth: And 'gabtnuc' is a a name I reported to GMs. |
| 21:01.15 | malreth | ¿uʍop-ǝpı̣sdn ʞɐǝds uɐɔ noʎ uǝɥʍ spɹɐʍʞɔɐq ʞƮɐʇ ʎɥʍ :uɐı̣ʞɹoʌǝʞ |
| 21:01.24 | Mikma | ok |
| 21:01.29 | Kirkburn|Vista | wha? how!? |
| 21:01.32 | Kevorkian | oooh pretty little boxes |
| 21:01.43 | jaxdahl | ve sitten har i venten spelar och lite dota |
| 21:01.45 | malreth | yeah, you need utf8 for that hack |
| 21:01.50 | Mikma | i see something other than boxes :D |
| 21:02.15 | jaxdahl | Vi Sitter har i venten och spelar lite dota |
| 21:02.25 | Mikma | something like : ???ds u?? no? u??? sp??????q ???? ??? :u?????o??? |
| 21:02.43 | Mikma | venten=ventrilo? |
| 21:02.49 | Kevorkian | yofou gofuys spofeak fofunnofy |
| 21:02.57 | Kirkburn|Vista | You actually said - oin: bds n ou n sp upsid-don? |
| 21:03.06 | yacoob | Hmmm. |
| 21:03.12 | cogwheel | malreth: if it makes you feel better, i could read that... |
| 21:03.20 | yacoob | Bongos question: how can I bind keys to specific stances? |
| 21:03.24 | malreth | i figured someone on here could read it |
| 21:03.33 | cogwheel | Chatzilla 4tw |
| 21:03.41 | malreth | you need to be able to decode utf8 and have a unicode font |
| 21:03.46 | Kevorkian | yacoob: there are key bindings for the stances in the default UI |
| 21:03.48 | malreth | and yeah, chatzilla would have that |
| 21:04.05 | yacoob | ah? must have overlooked that :) |
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| 21:04.30 | Kevorkian | they aren't labelled "stances" but it's like "special action #1" |
| 21:04.51 | Kevorkian | by default I think they're set to ctrl F1 to ctrl F3 |
| 21:05.39 | Beladona | wouldn't it bt ctrl F5? |
| 21:05.46 | Beladona | I thought there were 5 total possible stance slots |
| 21:06.29 | Kevorkian | I was being specific to the warrior stances |
| 21:06.38 | Kevorkian | of which there are 3 |
| 21:06.44 | Beladona | figured, since stances is warrior |
| 21:06.52 | Beladona | forms for druid, etc... |
| 21:06.56 | Beladona | but they use the same keybinds |
| 21:07.04 | Kevorkian | aye, druids have more |
| 21:07.07 | Kevorkian | yes |
| 21:07.10 | malreth | this sucks.. i'm writing an addon that polymorphs charmed raid members and I can really only test it once a week when my raid org goes through AQ40 |
| 21:07.16 | Kevorkian | so do rogues, but they just have one |
| 21:07.37 | Kevorkian | malreth, get a friend to roll an alliance mage |
| 21:07.49 | Kevorkian | err priest |
| 21:08.16 | Thrae | if UnitIsCharmed(unit) and UnitIsPlayer(unit) then CastSpellByName("Polymorph") SpellTargetUnit(unit) end |
| 21:08.20 | Amro | befriend a horde priest |
| 21:08.21 | Kevorkian | or there are mobs in the hives that in silithus that charm |
| 21:08.22 | malreth | but i catch your drift |
| 21:08.26 | Thrae | What's so bad about that? |
| 21:08.34 | Kevorkian | err hives in silithus that charm |
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| 21:09.38 | malreth | Thrae: i wrote code that iterates over raid/party members, only casts on people in range, and ignores anyone who is already sheeped |
| 21:09.47 | Mikma | whee +17/-2 |
| 21:09.54 | Thrae | malreth: Use any libs? |
| 21:10.07 | malreth | Kevorkian: i thought about those mind controlling bugs, yeah |
| 21:10.49 | Amro | fastest way is to get a horde priest to help you out |
| 21:10.55 | malreth | Thrae: none yet |
| 21:11.01 | Thrae | There's the excellent RosterLib and ProximityLib |
| 21:11.10 | malreth | it'll eventually be localized and have slash commands |
| 21:11.18 | malreth | it'll be aceified then |
| 21:12.08 | malreth | and i'll probably use SpellStatus to tell if polymorph is already being cast to keep from interrupting that if you're spamming the button |
| 21:12.19 | Thrae | Heh, you don't need to "Aceify" your addon to use libraries made by people in the Ace community :D I don't think ProximityLib even uses AceLibrary, it may or may not have a Version 2.0 |
| 21:12.47 | malreth | Thrae: well, it's easier if i let AceConsole handle the slash commands |
| 21:13.11 | malreth | and i'm only checking for <30 yd range so CheckInteractDistance works perfectly |
| 21:13.18 | Thrae | malreth: That's certainly true. |
| 21:13.52 | malreth | as it is, the code is very minimal. the core of it works really well |
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| 21:14.13 | malreth | it worked exactly as planned last night against Skeram |
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| 21:14.35 | malreth | i could even keep two people polymorphed by timing my button mashing |
| 21:15.37 | malreth | charmed people would only have about 3 seconds to do anything |
| 21:16.01 | malreth | and the AI is silly so usually that'd be enough time for the rogue to pull out their gun/bow and then they'd be sheeped again |
| 21:16.17 | malreth | that encounter is so funny |
| 21:16.38 | malreth | one of our tanks will call out on vent, "sheep me... wait! no, i'm using my gun. ignore me" |
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| 21:24.50 | cladhaire | ouch, that tickles! |
| 21:25.52 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 21:25.57 | Esamynn | logging onto that exchange was a little...... |
| 21:26.06 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:26.20 | Esamynn | anyways, good afternoon everyone |
| 21:26.29 | Cairenn | hi Esamynn, how goes? |
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| 21:33.45 | Cide | see |
| 21:33.53 | Cide | like three years ago |
| 21:33.53 | cogwheel | ~status |
| 21:33.54 | purl | Since Wed Sep 6 15:38:15 2006, there have been 285 modifications, 2472 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1884 commands. I have been awake for 15d 5h 55m 38s this session, and currently reference 111630 factoids. I'm using about 18700 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 51394.9/3916.79 child 0.12/0.07 |
| 21:33.54 | Cairenn | welcome back |
| 21:33.54 | Cide | I said to myself, "my connection is so good; everyone else always disconnects but I stay on every single time" |
| 21:33.54 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 21:33.54 | purl | Esamynn: thanks |
| 21:33.56 | Amro | lol cide |
| 21:33.56 | Thrae | Hey, at least you didn't just encounter your own bot quitting without you quitting too. |
| 21:33.56 | cogwheel | Cide: i still say that ;) |
| 21:34.10 | Esamynn | woopt |
| 21:34.12 | Esamynn | woot* |
| 21:34.23 | Esamynn | dang, malreth left :( |
| 21:34.50 | cladhaire | ~monkey |
| 21:34.52 | purl | This problem, like many others in the computer industry, can be solved by the application of monkeys. |
| 21:36.00 | cladhaire | so true |
| 21:38.52 | Elkano | cladhaire, is there an easy way to reobtain one's svn password? |
| 21:39.39 | cogwheel | anyone know where i can find the RGB values of the different item quality colors? |
| 21:39.52 | Esamynn | cogwheel: Fonts.xml |
| 21:40.21 | cogwheel | Esamynn: that's where i'm looking, but i'm not seeing... |
| 21:40.22 | Esamynn | oh, i take that back |
| 21:40.25 | Esamynn | just a sec |
| 21:40.51 | Esamynn | oh, there's an API function that the UI uses to retrieve them, just a sec |
| 21:41.24 | cogwheel | Esamynn: ok.. i found it |
| 21:41.26 | cogwheel | thanks :) |
| 21:41.34 | Esamynn | where is it used again? |
| 21:41.59 | cogwheel | not sure where it's used, but i found GetItemQualityColor on wowwiki |
| 21:42.08 | cogwheel | now i just need to see what it returns :) |
| 21:42.09 | Esamynn | UIParent.lua |
| 21:42.14 | Esamynn | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS |
| 21:42.28 | Esamynn | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS = { }; |
| 21:42.30 | Esamynn | for i = -1, 6 do |
| 21:42.32 | Esamynn | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[i] = { }; |
| 21:42.33 | Esamynn | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[i].r, |
| 21:42.34 | Esamynn | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[i].g, |
| 21:42.36 | Esamynn | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[i].b, |
| 21:42.37 | Esamynn | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[i].hex = GetItemQualityColor(i); |
| 21:42.39 | Esamynn | end |
| 21:42.54 | cogwheel | doesn't help me much... i'm doing this for a web page ;) |
| 21:42.58 | Mikk | Silly programmer. He should have just looped until GetItemQualityColor started returning nil |
| 21:43.00 | Esamynn | ahhh ;) |
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| 21:43.09 | Mikk | it's on the wiki somewhere, sec |
| 21:43.09 | TS|Skrom | http://i74.photobucket.com/albbums/i257/derick_donnel/TotemTimers.jpg |
| 21:43.17 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:43.20 | TS|Skrom | ?? |
| 21:43.30 | TS|Skrom | http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i257/derick_donnel/TotemTimers.jpg |
| 21:43.44 | Mikk | cogwheel: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates#Quality_Colors |
| 21:43.47 | Mikk | (scroll down a bit) |
| 21:43.48 | TS|Skrom | wheeee |
| 21:44.01 | cogwheel | Mikk, ty :) |
| 21:44.53 | Mikk | and converting 0.0-1.0 RGB to 0-255 RGB is simply a matter of multiplying by 255, fwiw :-P |
| 21:45.07 | cogwheel | I know that ;) still... i need the hex anyway |
| 21:45.24 | Mikk | and outputting the format with %02x |
| 21:45.25 | Mikk | ;) |
| 21:45.54 | cogwheel | Or i could just copy them off the page that you linked me... ;) |
| 21:45.58 | cogwheel | it gives the hex... |
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| 21:46.54 | Kirkburn|Vista | Whee, I can finally update WoW in Vista :D |
| 21:47.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | I think the security settings don't allow the method the normal in-game updater uses |
| 21:48.14 | ckknight | hrm |
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| 22:01.22 | cladhaire | Elkano: you can ask me and i can reset it if we need to |
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| 22:26.44 | AnduinLothar | Anyone heard of Sara Gazarek? I just stumbled upon her 2005 ablum "Yours". Fairly impressive. Jazz, if you like that kidna thing. |
| 22:26.56 | cladhaire | no, you reccomend? |
| 22:27.23 | AnduinLothar | well I haven't heard the whole thing, but so far i'm pretty impressed |
| 22:27.50 | cladhaire | interesting.. i'll have to make a note of it. |
| 22:27.59 | AnduinLothar | recent usc allum aparently, got a deal on the road with some pretty well known jazz artists |
| 22:28.45 | cladhaire | only one song on allofmp3.com |
| 22:28.55 | cladhaire | which is where i go to listen to music before i try to find it any buy it |
| 22:28.57 | cladhaire | those russians rock! |
| 22:29.00 | AnduinLothar | ya, i was unable to find any substantial quantity online |
| 22:29.08 | cladhaire | she has one song there. |
| 22:29.15 | AnduinLothar | there's some clips on her site |
| 22:29.22 | AnduinLothar | http://www.saragazarek.com/ |
| 22:29.23 | kaso| | I have a 512x512 24bit png, ive compressed it to blp with the java program thingy i forget the name of, why isnt it showing up ? |
| 22:29.39 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: perfect |
| 22:30.47 | AnduinLothar | i dunno kaso, my luck with converting to blp is scetchy |
| 22:30.47 | cogwheel | kaso| you'd probably be better off making it a tga |
| 22:30.49 | AnduinLothar | I'd recommend saving as a tga |
| 22:30.49 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 22:30.50 | kaso| | lemme try that then |
| 22:31.17 | AnduinLothar | bigger file, but that just means if you want to edit, there's more quality there to do so :) |
| 22:31.28 | cogwheel | especially since a) all knowledge about BLPs has been reverse-engineered and b) you'll be able to edit it without having to convert it back |
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| 22:42.58 | AnduinLothar | whatcha think clad? |
| 22:43.23 | Industrial | Why is b in idInterface:Buttons() not setting to the right scale? It stays at 1. http://pastey.net/1013 |
| 22:44.38 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I like her voice |
| 22:44.40 | cladhaire | kinda cute too =) |
| 22:44.44 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 22:45.18 | AnduinLothar | i know huh. from the pics tho looked like she was attached |
| 22:45.45 | zenzelezz | could always detach her |
| 22:45.53 | AnduinLothar | i'm not that kinda guy |
| 22:46.29 | AnduinLothar | tho i would definitely hit on a cute singer if she weren't |
| 22:46.59 | zenzelezz | I'm a sucker for cute voices |
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| 22:54.26 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I enjoy |
| 22:54.31 | cladhaire | may have to buy this |
| 22:54.49 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 22:54.59 | AnduinLothar | found it at barnse and noble if that helps |
| 22:55.05 | AnduinLothar | i'm sure amazon has it too |
| 22:55.14 | cladhaire | cool |
| 22:56.02 | AnduinLothar | i was having a good time browsing at b&n, just kinda listening to random things. Kinda sad that the one I was at only had 30s clips of the songs to preview |
| 22:56.18 | cladhaire | oh that sucks.. that always annoys me. |
| 22:56.25 | AnduinLothar | i've been at others that have the whole album in their digial preview things |
| 22:56.29 | Corrodias | jazz, not for me :( |
| 22:56.35 | cladhaire | i enjoy jazz lots |
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| 22:56.47 | AnduinLothar | i have very wide musical pallet |
| 22:57.11 | cladhaire | i think i do as well |
| 22:57.19 | AnduinLothar | I was actually lookign for a gift for my mother, was tempted to keep the album for myself :) |
| 22:57.26 | amro | i dont care much for genres. i listen to individual songs |
| 22:57.39 | AnduinLothar | I might have to digitize ti while i'm visiting her :D |
| 22:57.43 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 22:58.25 | AnduinLothar | tho i did notice a bunch of other artists i like while i was there that had 2005 albums that i completely missed |
| 22:58.37 | AnduinLothar | those are easily availible torrents tho |
| 22:59.25 | AnduinLothar | having a hard time gettign ahold of Telepopmusik - Angel Milk tho.. not really sure why |
| 23:01.16 | AnduinLothar | b&n was kinda evil tho. their electronica was hidden under a sign that said 'pop' |
| 23:01.35 | Corrodias | amro: i hardly think any of us are saying that we like every single song of a particular genre. genres are ways of describing how a song sounds, and we like certain ways they can sound. |
| 23:02.49 | thr | What could be wrong when a children get's overlayed by it's parent backdrop? ;> |
| 23:02.59 | amro | I never said that. that was my way of saying I have a wide musical pallet :) |
| 23:03.22 | Corrodias | i see |
| 23:08.03 | AnduinLothar | been having fun raging to Three Day's Grace today too |
| 23:11.51 | cogwheel | anyone know of a converter to go from HTML to one of those common forum markup languages? |
| 23:12.07 | AnduinLothar | backwards? |
| 23:12.47 | cogwheel | yeah... I changed my readme file to HTML and now i want to post it on wowi, worldofwar, and wowguru (curse doesn't have formatting afaik) |
| 23:13.02 | AnduinLothar | oh THAT kind of markup |
| 23:13.23 | AnduinLothar | cairenn has dont a lot of that, she might know |
| 23:13.36 | zenzelezz | for the most part you swap <> with [], but the markups are usually more limited |
| 23:14.01 | amro | shouldnt take long to write one in python |
| 23:14.06 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 23:14.07 | cogwheel | or lua ;) |
| 23:14.21 | AnduinLothar | not hard conversion, and there's a limitted set |
| 23:14.25 | amro | SGMLParser makes it a breeze in python :D |
| 23:15.33 | cogwheel | Meh... maybe i'll just copy and paste the plain text and then just give a link to the actual one... |
| 23:15.40 | thr | Seriously, wtf can be wrong then a child frame is overlapped by it's parent? |
| 23:16.11 | amro | i dont know |
| 23:16.15 | amro | what problem are you having? |
| 23:16.16 | cogwheel | thr: is the child in a lower strata than the parent? |
| 23:16.34 | thr | no, the same afaik |
| 23:17.15 | thr | hmm no the child is overlay, the parent is background |
| 23:17.16 | cogwheel | are the parent's textures on a higher layer than the child's? |
| 23:17.30 | thr | well the thing is that, i dont get it on all frames |
| 23:17.32 | thr | let me show you |
| 23:18.26 | Cairenn|afk | cogwheel: might be able to just use the script Mikk wrote? http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Mikk/Scripts#Forumizing_wikitext |
| 23:19.04 | thr | cogwheel: http://www.sindrobe.se/wtf.png |
| 23:19.24 | Cairenn|afk | it was intended to make converting the UI FAQ back and forth between Blizz & wiki easier, but might be able to use it for your readme |
| 23:19.34 | Cairenn|afk | there's one for plain text and one for rich |
| 23:19.35 | thr | the name "Haeler" is below it's parent "Yarrie", but if you look above the other header(also named Haeler, stupid i know but jsut testing) |
| 23:19.47 | thr | it's child "Toonie"(in white) isn't below the bg of it. |
| 23:19.58 | thr | all frames are created the same way, and are done with CreateFrame() thingy |
| 23:20.07 | cogwheel | Cairenn|afk: that might help |
| 23:20.18 | thr | but for some reason all childs put in the Yarrie frame get's below it |
| 23:20.22 | thr | instead of over it. |
| 23:20.28 | thr | and only that frame |
| 23:20.31 | thr | no others |
| 23:20.40 | Cairenn | thanks goes to Mikk, he wrote it :) |
| 23:20.44 | cogwheel | hmm... you sure it's under and not just a different color? |
| 23:20.54 | cogwheel | mikk: thanks if it works ;) |
| 23:21.00 | thr | yes cogwheel |
| 23:21.10 | thr | im 100% sure it's overlayed by the semi-transparent background |
| 23:21.10 | cogwheel | i'm not gonna bother with it now... have to leave in about 9 mins |
| 23:21.15 | thr | ok ;( |
| 23:21.26 | cogwheel | thr: very strange |
| 23:21.48 | thr | thing is that all the frames are created automaticly |
| 23:21.53 | thr | so it's not like i did a typo somewhere |
| 23:22.00 | thr | because they all come from the same template, etc. |
| 23:29.06 | cogwheel | thr: sry i can't help you... gotta go home now |
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