| 00:00.28 | grr | ofc. they wont ;> |
| 00:00.38 | cogwheel | mistell |
| 00:00.39 | cogwheel | lol |
| 00:00.55 | cogwheel | well, Kirkburn|Vista i guess you can see that ;) |
| 00:01.57 | Kirkburn|Vista | For RC1, they will keep it up to date with security fixed until release |
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| 01:20.38 | JoshBorke | hello :) |
| 01:20.52 | Cairenn | hey JoshBorke :) |
| 01:20.58 | zenzelezz | heya |
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| 01:27.55 | cogwheel | Troll, perhaps? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28494591&sid=1 |
| 01:28.19 | JoshBorke | heya Tain |
| 01:28.36 | Tain | allo |
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| 01:29.13 | Cairenn | lol cog |
| 01:30.21 | Tain | cogwheel you are trolling... being.. helpful? |
| 01:32.14 | Cairenn | shame on you cogwheel, how dare you, like, help and stuff? geez |
| 01:32.27 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 01:32.55 | Cairenn | s'okay, I wasn't nice |
| 01:35.03 | Cairenn | told ya I wasn't nice :p |
| 01:37.02 | Tain | Nice is overrated. |
| 01:38.28 | JoshBorke | woohoo! people are actually downloading my new mod |
| 01:38.51 | zenzelezz | what mod is that? |
| 01:39.04 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5370-GuildBook.html |
| 01:39.16 | JoshBorke | :-D Cairenn |
| 01:39.26 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 01:39.31 | zenzelezz | was mostly just asking for the name, but thanks ;) |
| 01:39.44 | JoshBorke | i realized today i could use it for a better notepad (organized) |
| 01:39.46 | Cairenn | gave you the name - it's in the link :) |
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| 01:50.35 | Tain | Not that it's related to anything, but I find I use Google Notebook a hell of a lot. |
| 01:51.44 | JoshBorke | cool :-) |
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| 01:58.53 | Kirkburn|Vista | JoshBorke, looks really nice |
| 02:00.33 | JoshBorke | Kirkburn|Vista: thanks. I'm working on figuring out how I can synchronize the data |
| 02:00.41 | JoshBorke | All the GUI came from TinyPad :-D |
| 02:01.08 | Xuerian | I agree, looks nice. And noticed the minor resemblance :P |
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| 02:36.40 | Tuller | http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4688/vbagnonpt5.jpg hurray :) |
| 02:38.18 | kaso| | looking pretty sweet |
| 02:39.16 | JoshBorke | oooo, nice |
| 02:39.23 | Tuller | thinking the enginventory and seperate windows both take up too much space, though |
| 02:39.42 | JoshBorke | trinkets are in the equipment section too? |
| 02:39.58 | Tuller | based on the rule I gave it, yes |
| 02:40.26 | Tuller | all items in that one is actually: any item that's not a shard or quest item |
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| 03:21.43 | zenzelezz | hrm... I'm starting to see why some people seem to have all the action bars enabled... |
| 03:22.08 | zenzelezz | seems like non-warrior classes just get a whole lot of spells o_O |
| 03:22.44 | Xuerian | This is why they break down and use click-casting and a item manager mod. It's just rediculous. |
| 03:23.24 | Xuerian | s/they/we/ |
| 03:31.12 | Cairenn | what class are you trying zenzelezz? |
| 03:31.21 | zenzelezz | hunter |
| 03:31.37 | Cairenn | heh, yup, we have a TON of buttons we need to use |
| 03:31.42 | zenzelezz | just reached 24 |
| 03:32.01 | Cairenn | oh, trust me, there's still a whole lot more spells yet to come |
| 03:32.29 | zenzelezz | trying to figure where to put the trackings and stuff... I know they'll outgrow the currently available space on their actionbar |
| 03:33.01 | Cairenn | you use fubar or titan panel? |
| 03:33.13 | zenzelezz | not currently |
| 03:33.48 | Cairenn | okay, well, if you do decide to, snag the plugins for them to manage your aspects and trackings |
| 03:33.55 | zenzelezz | I'm a tad bit annoyed at how the "frame" around the pet action bar disappears if I enable the bottom-left actionbar... the pet buttons seem to just float there then |
| 03:34.22 | Cairenn | if not, think about getting bc_aspect and bc_tracking (if they are still updated) |
| 03:34.35 | Cairenn | puts them in a button on your minimap |
| 03:35.04 | zenzelezz | I might look into that |
| 03:35.26 | zenzelezz | at least I found the class rather fun to play so far |
| 03:35.36 | Xuerian | Can use fubar2 plugins without the bars itself, can't you? |
| 03:35.46 | Xuerian | s/itself/themselves/ |
| 03:35.49 | Cairenn | you really *really* want to come up with some way to get tracking and aspect off your regular bars |
| 03:36.05 | Cairenn | or you just plain won't have enough space, period |
| 03:36.26 | Cairenn | Xuerian: believe so |
| 03:36.38 | Cairenn | not 100% on that though |
| 03:36.46 | Xuerian | Then can get the tracking ones for fubar and use them on the minimap, or drag their buttons off somewhere :) |
| 03:36.58 | zenzelezz | I'll probably also want to remove the ones I rarely use... like Eagle Eye... but the icon just looks pretty, and it's fun when I use it \o/ |
| 03:37.05 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:37.57 | Cairenn | my bars are full on my 53 hunter and that's with having 6 bars and having the aspects and tracking off, and I know I've still some more spells to get yet |
| 03:38.47 | Cairenn | (plus the pet bar) |
| 03:39.43 | zenzelezz | doubt I'll consider my bars complete until I reach near max level... then again I've been 60 for ages on my warrior and still keep rearranging the bars there =D |
| 03:40.05 | zenzelezz | right now I have enough trouble deciding on talents or even figuring when some spells are useful |
| 03:40.15 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 03:55.23 | Kirkburn|Vista | G'night all! |
| 03:56.40 | Cairenn | lol, love the quit message |
| 03:57.50 | AnduinLothar | heh |
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| 04:07.12 | Tem | I hate Nef's lair so, so much |
| 04:07.27 | cmunn | I hate Razergore and Vael |
| 04:07.37 | cmunn | It's tearing apart both of the guilds I raid with. |
| 04:08.18 | End | I only hate razorgore |
| 04:09.08 | Tem | no no |
| 04:09.09 | Tem | p |
| 04:09.13 | Tem | I don't mind the encounter |
| 04:09.37 | Tem | I hate that Blizzard (or ATI whoever is really at fault) would fix their shit so that I don't crash during nef |
| 04:09.46 | End | ahh |
| 04:09.54 | zenzelezz | I use ATi and have no problem :-o |
| 04:10.02 | End | it's only an issue with ati cards |
| 04:10.03 | Tem | s/would/would stop denying the problem and/ |
| 04:10.05 | End | so I don't care :P |
| 04:10.16 | Tem | s/hate/wish/ |
| 04:10.26 | Tem | there, that works |
| 04:11.05 | End | I wonder where the issue really is |
| 04:11.46 | Tem | searing gorge fire effects in the sky |
| 04:11.48 | End | I mean, ati obviously has some sort of issue, but I wonder if blizzard is just trying to make the video card do something wrong, and nvidia's cards are just more forgiving |
| 04:12.47 | End | in any case, some people in my guild said they upgraded/switched drivers |
| 04:12.50 | End | and that fixed the issue |
| 04:13.14 | End | nef's throne and near the spiral ramp were the most common places with issues for them |
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| 04:25.31 | warla | heya |
| 04:25.36 | warla | i need a lua pro... |
| 04:25.47 | warla | theres something that makes me mad headache :-/ |
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| 04:27.08 | Tem | I HATE nef's lair |
| 04:27.22 | Cairenn | warla: ask, if someone can help they will |
| 04:27.33 | warla | k |
| 04:27.37 | warla | the problem is enchanting |
| 04:27.43 | warla | enchanting is no tradeskill |
| 04:27.52 | warla | and cannt be accessed via the normal tradeskill functions |
| 04:27.53 | Tem | it's a Craft |
| 04:27.59 | Tem | CraftSkillFrame |
| 04:27.59 | warla | instead i need the craft ones |
| 04:27.59 | warla | ya |
| 04:28.06 | warla | now comes the problem |
| 04:28.12 | warla | i can scan ALL enchants fine |
| 04:28.17 | warla | and display em on the website |
| 04:28.23 | Tem | basically everytime you had TradeSkill before, replace it with Craft |
| 04:28.24 | warla | but some items are screwed |
| 04:28.37 | warla | screwed items: |
| 04:28.41 | warla | the rods |
| 04:28.44 | warla | the oils |
| 04:28.48 | warla | the snoking heart |
| 04:28.52 | warla | the wands |
| 04:29.09 | warla | the above 4 item categories i cannot properly read |
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| 04:29.36 | warla | how do i get the item it creates out of those craft functions? |
| 04:29.48 | warla | i neither get the tooltip for the item not an item id |
| 04:31.05 | warla | GetCraftItemLink(itemIndex) <-- this gets me a link to the enchant so when someone would link the enchant in trade channel |
| 04:31.08 | warla | but not the item |
| 04:31.16 | warla | this drives me nuts |
| 04:33.17 | warla | same for GetCraftDescription(itemIndex) b.t.w |
| 04:34.03 | warla | for Greater Magic Wand for example, GetCraftDescription(itemIndex) returns "Creates a greater magic wand" which is fine.. i need that string but what about the itemlink of the Greater magic wand? |
| 04:34.18 | warla | i cannt get that toolip nor the item id |
| 04:34.21 | warla | :-( |
| 04:35.25 | Tem | odd |
| 04:35.52 | warla | yea |
| 04:35.56 | warla | see my prob? |
| 04:36.34 | warla | basically all enchanting entries that actually create an item similar to a tradeskill i cannt gather correctly. |
| 04:40.31 | AnduinLothar | aren't those in the reagents or whatever? |
| 04:40.35 | AnduinLothar | mmm |
| 04:40.47 | warla | no |
| 04:40.49 | AnduinLothar | are they not displayed on the enchanting window? |
| 04:40.50 | warla | the reagents work |
| 04:41.39 | warla | sec let me show ya an example... |
| 04:43.45 | AnduinLothar | i know the rods you can pull from other enchants by name |
| 04:44.11 | warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/index.php?id=1 |
| 04:44.12 | AnduinLothar | and the rest you basicly can pull from the item database by name |
| 04:44.53 | warla | how do i pull the itemquality, itemid from just the itemname? |
| 04:45.16 | AnduinLothar | you'd have to have an item database |
| 04:45.21 | warla | i dont |
| 04:45.29 | AnduinLothar | then you're in toruble |
| 04:45.30 | warla | i need that in my mod |
| 04:45.30 | AnduinLothar | :/ |
| 04:45.32 | warla | yea |
| 04:45.36 | warla | thats my point |
| 04:46.02 | AnduinLothar | not sure how you ever planned on profiling w/o one tho |
| 04:46.03 | warla | so far i'm screwed and have 2 options :-/ |
| 04:46.26 | warla | all info needed is provided by the mod |
| 04:46.37 | warla | it builds up the database while people upload their chars |
| 04:47.44 | warla | the link i gave ya is horrid slow b.t.w.. its the laptop i'm just working on doing the profiler stuff |
| 04:48.11 | warla | so the bytes need to be squeezed through my hope internet line sharing it with wow and stuff ^^ |
| 04:49.07 | warla | when the page is loaded click on tradeskills and then enchanting |
| 04:49.11 | warla | you quickly see the prob |
| 04:49.27 | warla | the empty lines are the items it cannt display because i cannt scan the items :-/ |
| 04:49.47 | warla | it scans the reagents fine though |
| 04:51.02 | AnduinLothar | your tooltips dont work in Camino |
| 04:51.22 | warla | whats camino? |
| 04:51.23 | AnduinLothar | they hid immediately unless i'm continuously moving the mouse |
| 04:51.34 | AnduinLothar | mac-only mozilla browser |
| 04:51.42 | warla | use safari ^^ |
| 04:51.45 | warla | works there |
| 04:52.10 | warla | works in safari, opera, IE, Mozilla so cannt complain :-) |
| 04:52.17 | AnduinLothar | i don't have a0.4 and safario v1 sucks |
| 04:52.21 | AnduinLothar | 10.4* |
| 04:52.35 | warla | i used camino like a year ago but dumped it |
| 04:53.49 | warla | right now i can only check my profiler page once a week at the weekends on a mac... my TiBook Harddrive died... |
| 04:54.00 | Corrodias | lmao... now the new version of squishy blocks my "channels" dropdown. ah, i need to do some more experimenting before i can say it's definitely it but it's so similar to the mysterious thing praid does |
| 04:54.01 | warla | so i abuse Girlfriends one ^^ |
| 04:54.48 | AnduinLothar | anyway your wands look fine too me |
| 04:55.10 | warla | nah they're wrong :-) |
| 04:55.12 | warla | sec |
| 04:55.17 | AnduinLothar | GetCraftItemLink(i) |
| 04:55.18 | warla | i changed something so you see it |
| 04:55.32 | warla | GetCraftItemLink get you the enchanting crap link |
| 04:55.34 | warla | not the item |
| 04:55.48 | warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/index.php?id=1 <<-- reload |
| 04:56.00 | warla | checkout smoking heart of the mountains for example |
| 04:56.07 | warla | or the enchanted thorium |
| 04:56.10 | warla | or the enchanted leather |
| 04:56.13 | warla | or the rods. |
| 04:56.18 | warla | now you see it |
| 04:56.36 | warla | my upload script doesnt add items without a tooltip |
| 04:56.46 | warla | so i temporary added empty tooltips a "xxxxxx" |
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| 05:29.47 | Cairenn|sleep | night all |
| 05:29.55 | zenzelezz | night |
| 05:38.01 | cmunn | Guild Drama... This game would be boring without it. |
| 05:48.47 | zenzelezz | hehe, what's up? |
| 05:54.53 | Mikma | warla: enchants work? |
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| 05:57.46 | Mikma | whee! they do work :) |
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| 06:16.18 | Tem | FUCKING YES |
| 06:16.24 | Tem | 2x NW robes |
| 06:16.30 | Tem | that's my 8/8 |
| 06:16.44 | Tem | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 06:18.41 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 06:19.06 | zenzelezz | Chromaggus was in a warrior mood for us last week; shield + 2x Wrath shoulders |
| 06:19.48 | Mikma | hmm we got trancedance + ds |
| 06:19.54 | Mikma | and some uber clothpants |
| 06:21.05 | warla | Mikma |
| 06:21.12 | warla | i added enchanting :-) |
| 06:21.18 | warla | wanna test it? |
| 06:21.55 | Mikma | warla: when i'm at home, of course i wan't :D |
| 06:22.13 | Mikma | and i'm home in.. 5h |
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| 06:23.10 | warla | heh k |
| 06:23.14 | warla | check this out: |
| 06:23.19 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/index.php?id=11 |
| 06:23.29 | warla | this is my GFs toon who has enchanting |
| 06:25.12 | dreyruugr | Anyone know how to get a user portal on wowi? |
| 06:25.46 | Xuerian | Post a mod, #1. Click Enable User Portal/Author Portal, #2 |
| 06:26.29 | Xuerian | IIRC, the option shows up in your config/somewhere after you post the mod |
| 06:28.04 | Mikma | warla: waaaah this is the same as the on marked as 1 in your laptop |
| 06:28.20 | Mikma | i already checked it out and drooled :D |
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| 06:28.30 | warla | yea but now woth the workaround |
| 06:28.35 | warla | that fixes the 19 items |
| 06:28.39 | warla | that are screwed |
| 06:29.02 | Mikma | you should add a "open all bags" |
| 06:29.18 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/data/enchantingfix.xml <--- those 19 items get fixed when anyone uploads his toon |
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| 06:48.54 | fathix23 | anyone around that uses oRA2? i'm having a problem with the main tank windows. They're in the middle of the screen, and i can't seem to move them. |
| 06:49.26 | kergoth | iirc its alt+drag or something, fathix23 |
| 06:49.43 | fathix23 | oh snap, thanks a million |
| 06:49.44 | Xuerian | Alt-drag. |
| 06:49.52 | Xuerian | Kergoth wins :P |
| 06:49.52 | fathix23 | it would be something totally simple like that. |
| 06:49.58 | kergoth | :P |
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| 11:16.01 | grr | ClearAllPoints() and Hide() will hide the frame no matter if it's parent is shown right? |
| 11:16.10 | grr | so it will be invisible until i anchor and :show it agian? |
| 11:16.43 | AnduinLothar | should be |
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| 11:21.09 | grr | hmm |
| 11:21.13 | grr | can a frame be "parent" less? |
| 11:21.27 | grr | or are the automagicly forced on the UIParent if no parent is set? |
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| 11:33.36 | GremWarsong | Hey all |
| 11:33.55 | GremWarsong | Does anyone know if it's possible to make a mod that executes certain 'typed' commands? |
| 11:34.05 | GremWarsong | Like make it type and enter /dance |
| 11:34.45 | grr | Why would you want that? |
| 11:34.58 | grr | slash commands are just an "layer" over the API |
| 11:35.03 | grr | So you can achieve the same with normal API calls |
| 11:35.19 | GremWarsong | Hmm |
| 11:35.49 | GremWarsong | What function is executed when stuff is typed into the chat box and enter is pressed |
| 11:35.59 | GremWarsong | Somehow it parses the text to figure out what to do |
| 11:36.07 | clad|sleep | thats all internal, imo |
| 11:36.12 | GremWarsong | Like it needs to check if I did /tell or /reply, or an emote |
| 11:36.14 | GremWarsong | hmm |
| 11:36.21 | grr | Go check the chateditbox xml/lua code |
| 11:36.24 | grr | you'll see where it goes |
| 11:36.27 | GremWarsong | yeah |
| 11:36.29 | GremWarsong | solid plan |
| 11:36.52 | grr | if it goes to some internal mechanism then you're all out of luck, if not well then it's all good |
| 11:36.56 | clad|sleep | SLASH_MYCOMMAND1 = "/myslash" |
| 11:36.56 | clad|sleep | SlashCmdList["MYCOMMAND"] = function(msg) -- do your code here end |
| 11:37.02 | GremWarsong | Yeah |
| 11:37.08 | GremWarsong | I kow that clad |
| 11:37.16 | grr | clad|work: That wasn't the problem at hand |
| 11:37.57 | clad|work | Well, like I said I believe the other is internal |
| 11:38.01 | clad|work | I could be wrong tho :P |
| 11:38.23 | clad|work | the REAL answer to the questino is, yes.. you can "type" commands, by making those SLASH calls |
| 11:38.24 | GremWarsong | the chatframe.lua is a monster! |
| 11:38.44 | GremWarsong | The chatframe lua actually parses for every emote command |
| 11:38.47 | clad|work | i.e. SlashCmdList["WATCHDOG"]("cc") will open the WatchDog click-casting menu |
| 11:39.03 | clad|work | the emotes are all DoEmote() able. |
| 11:39.49 | GremWarsong | ah |
| 11:39.56 | GremWarsong | But I basically want to create my own 'chat box' |
| 11:40.07 | GremWarsong | Where it reads what you typed and does accordingly |
| 11:40.34 | clad|work | hrm, thats fun. |
| 11:40.37 | clad|work | Let me know how it turns out =) |
| 11:40.53 | clad|work | i'm off to work |
| 11:40.58 | GremWarsong | later |
| 11:43.00 | Cide | it loops through SlashCmdList, and then checks all SLASH_<keyFromSlashCmdList># global variables |
| 11:43.05 | Cide | to see if they match the slash command |
| 11:43.13 | Cide | I believe that's how they do it anyway |
| 11:44.57 | AnduinLothar | sounds about right |
| 11:45.37 | Cide | local cmd, i; for key, val in pairs(SlashCmdList) do i, cmd = getglobal("SLASH_"..key.."1"); while ( cmd ) do if ( cmd == typedChatCommand ) then val(typedChatText); return; end i, cmd = i + 1, getglobal("SLASH_"..key..i); end end |
| 11:46.01 | Cide | something like that, AnduinLothar has a lot more experience with that though, so he might be able to give a better answer :) |
| 11:46.21 | Cide | actually, i+1 in the last getglobal |
| 11:46.35 | Cide | or move it to a separate statement (i is not incremented at evaluation) |
| 11:47.36 | AnduinLothar | ChatFrame.lua is your friend |
| 11:49.01 | GremWarsong | ive been looking over chatframe.lua |
| 11:49.03 | GremWarsong | its big |
| 11:49.28 | AnduinLothar | get comfortable with it if you want to emulate it |
| 11:49.40 | AnduinLothar | OnEvent is a good place to start |
| 11:51.22 | clad|work | sounds fun tho.. the chatbox could use some improvements =) |
| 11:51.33 | clad|work | bbl |
| 11:52.13 | GremWarsong | But what I need to do is just take a line of text, and 'enter' it into the chat box |
| 11:52.30 | GremWarsong | So somehow, I need to feed a line of text to it |
| 11:54.20 | AnduinLothar | check out how Chronos handles /in |
| 11:54.20 | AnduinLothar | it dumps the 2nd variable into chat liek a macro |
| 11:54.55 | GremWarsong | What does /in do? |
| 11:55.06 | AnduinLothar | delays a macro |
| 11:55.11 | GremWarsong | k |
| 11:55.15 | AnduinLothar | I'm making a bank/bag item set swapper. you get two collumns of 'sets' and can click them in the bag or bank collumn to swap it. the highlighted ones in each collumn are highlighted. And you can edit or make new sets using a bag drag/drop interface. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 11:56.08 | AnduinLothar | already making itemrack/wardrobe outfit importing |
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| 12:10.01 | oxman | Hi |
| 12:10.08 | oxman | Any admin of wowinterface here ? :) |
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| 12:10.47 | AnduinLothar | there you go |
| 12:10.51 | oxman | Hi Cairenn :) |
| 12:10.58 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 12:11.11 | oxman | EasyPriest is now ace2 and no more ace, so the section of the addon is wrong no ? |
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| 12:14.14 | GremWarsong | I figured it out |
| 12:14.16 | GremWarsong | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME.editBox:SetText(TrimLine(arg1, " ", 1 )); |
| 12:14.16 | GremWarsong | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.27 | GremWarsong | You can send text with ChatEdit_SendText |
| 12:14.36 | GremWarsong | For those of you playing at home |
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| 12:32.19 | GremWarsong | I know this is a taboo topic, but is changing WoW textures illegal? And can blizzard detect it? |
| 12:32.57 | Mery | changing the textures of 3d models: yes and yes |
| 12:33.08 | Cairenn | depends which textures you are talking about |
| 12:33.11 | [floyd] | a) I'd suppose it is (think about the texture hacks in Quake, ...) and b) very easily detectable. |
| 12:33.14 | GremWarsong | Is it a bannable offense? |
| 12:33.16 | Cairenn | ui file textures, no |
| 12:33.21 | Cairenn | models, yes and yes they can |
| 12:33.26 | Cairenn | GremWarsong: yes, it is |
| 12:33.31 | GremWarsong | Yikes |
| 12:33.37 | GremWarsong | I wonder why they are so crazy about it |
| 12:33.42 | Cairenn | they catch you, you lose your account |
| 12:33.45 | GremWarsong | Changing the models is one thing... |
| 12:33.52 | GremWarsong | But I dont see how you gain advantage by modifying textures |
| 12:34.25 | Mery | well a rogue does have dark colored sets by intention, making them pink somehow breaks this point of visual game desing |
| 12:34.25 | GremWarsong | Thanks for the info though |
| 12:34.27 | Corrodias | i hear some people found ways. |
| 12:34.44 | Corrodias | it used to be that it was easy to change the models or textures and it was at least not enforced that any action should be taken against them |
| 12:34.46 | Cairenn | the examples (for why it's against the rules) have been plentiful in the blizz ui forum |
| 12:34.50 | GremWarsong | I imagine they detect it by checking file size |
| 12:34.50 | [floyd] | GremWarsong: Making a hill texture mostly transparent will make it possible for you to look through opaque objects.... |
| 12:35.04 | Corrodias | however, that was changed back around 1.08, wasn't it? they made it not possible to change them with that method any more and it was declared definitely not allowed. |
| 12:35.05 | GremWarsong | ah, I see Floyd |
| 12:35.25 | Cairenn | GremWarsong: the only current way that you can change them is by messing with the mpq files, and that's detectable |
| 12:35.33 | GremWarsong | Yeah |
| 12:35.57 | Cairenn | easy enough for them to do a file verification on those files |
| 12:36.08 | GremWarsong | Definitely |
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| 12:37.46 | Mery | on a slighly different topic: is there any way to create our own .m2 files to be used with Model:SetModel()? |
| 12:38.03 | [floyd] | Maybe I didn't quite understand closures yet. What I have is this: ResourceIcons[i]:SetScript( "OnEnter", function () local MapIconIndex = i; MapIcon_OnMouseEnter(); end ); -- and I was under the impression that I could access MapIconIndex from inside MapIcon_OnMouseEnter(), but it is a nil value there :/ |
| 12:38.11 | grr | Hmm, if you do frame comparions, llike this: "if(Frame1 == Frame2) then" what are the frames actually compared by? |
| 12:38.23 | GremWarsong | SO many questions |
| 12:38.25 | Corrodias | if it's like any other language, memory reference. |
| 12:38.28 | grr | Name? Some hidden frame render id the render engine has? What exaclty? ;> |
| 12:38.38 | Corrodias | although = could be overridden, it would be silly to do so for frames |
| 12:39.02 | grr | Ok, but if i do "Frame1 == Frame2" i can be sure that it doesnt return equal for two frames of the same type? etc. |
| 12:39.18 | Corrodias | actual frame. that is, they aren't "=" unless they're the actual same instance of the frame. that is, they're equal pointers. that's my assumption, based on how other languages work and the complexity of a frame obejct. |
| 12:39.27 | Thrae | A Frame is just a Lua table, and Lua tables are compared by reference. |
| 12:39.40 | grr | ok, good to know thanks :) |
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| 12:43.59 | Thiana | So how do you change the item quality 'Give <item> to <name> - Yes/No' kicks in for when Master Looting? |
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| 12:45.54 | Corrodias | i believe it's always anything above white |
| 12:46.07 | Corrodias | i haven't figured that out yet, is what i'm saying |
| 12:47.07 | grr | Hmm |
| 12:47.16 | grr | You only get it for epics iirc. |
| 12:47.19 | grr | Never for rare/greens |
| 12:47.26 | grr | (or white/gray ofc) |
| 12:47.44 | Corrodias | you are mistaken |
| 12:48.09 | grr | Strange ;< I've been masterlooter for like half a year in a guild now ;< |
| 12:48.14 | Corrodias | in fact, just today, our raid leader was handing out green ZG coins with it. i've also run master looter in a party before, and i had to dela with all the greens. |
| 12:48.15 | grr | But never get it on rares/greens |
| 12:48.23 | Corrodias | in that case, maybe you -can- change the level. |
| 12:48.34 | grr | Yes you have to masterloot the greens ofc, but you dont get the confirmation dialog for them |
| 12:48.46 | grr | and i think that is what thiana was asking |
| 12:48.50 | AnduinLothar | you can change the level to grey with a macro :) |
| 12:48.55 | Corrodias | oh, the confirmation dialog? i don't remember it well enough to say. |
| 12:49.18 | grr | Corrodias ^^ I can asure you that the dialog only pops for epics by default |
| 12:49.23 | grr | and I fond now way in the standard UI to change it |
| 12:49.32 | Corrodias | good, good |
| 12:49.54 | Thiana | grr: Ok, apparently its (probably) when its are BoP vs BoE that it kicks in. |
| 12:50.19 | grr | No it's not |
| 12:50.28 | Thiana | Oh? |
| 12:50.34 | grr | I always hand out rares in ZG/AQ20 and never get the dialog but as soon as it's epic i get it |
| 12:50.44 | Thiana | BoP blues? |
| 12:50.49 | grr | ... yes |
| 12:51.03 | Thiana | Grr, ok back to needing a way to alter that :( |
| 12:51.18 | grr | Just write an addon that pop ups your own confirmation dialog |
| 12:51.28 | grr | or hookback the function that is called |
| 12:51.45 | Thiana | Time to dive into FrameXML again. Thanks :) |
| 12:51.55 | AnduinLothar | i'm pretty sure the diologue is only bop |
| 12:52.03 | AnduinLothar | but ml defaults to epic |
| 12:52.09 | grr | AnduinLothar: BoP Epics |
| 12:52.12 | grr | And ML defaults to rare. |
| 12:52.18 | AnduinLothar | mmm, right |
| 12:52.30 | AnduinLothar | green |
| 12:52.41 | grr | ah yes green even lower ;P |
| 12:53.13 | AnduinLothar | but the confirm diologue is only for bop. same as rolling |
| 12:55.06 | Corrodias | are there BoE epics? |
| 12:55.16 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 12:55.21 | AnduinLothar | many |
| 12:56.01 | Thrae | There are even BoE Epics starting at like Level 29, "Gloves of Holy Might". Might be even lower. |
| 12:56.16 | AnduinLothar | i've seen lower |
| 12:56.21 | AnduinLothar | like 19 |
| 12:56.32 | AnduinLothar | couple really low rings |
| 12:56.51 | Thrae | Yeah I think you're right, I seem to recall that |
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| 13:14.29 | Maldivia | Thrae: Gloves of holy might requires level 37 |
| 13:16.39 | Maldivia | the lowest boe epics, are afaik, "staff of jordan" and "fiery war axe", both with req level 35 |
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| 13:39.46 | grr^ | hmm |
| 13:39.58 | grr^ | why does my collision detection code break when i change the size of the object it's checking against? ;( |
| 13:40.06 | warla | morning |
| 13:41.04 | Kevorkian | how does it break? |
| 13:41.18 | krka | how ironic |
| 13:41.26 | krka | a collision detector that breaks |
| 13:41.43 | Kevorkian | is it irony or is it apropos? |
| 13:42.07 | Corrodias | how is that ironic? |
| 13:42.25 | Kevorkian | purl, dict irony |
| 13:42.44 | Kevorkian | purl, dict 1 irony |
| 13:42.56 | Kevorkian | err, not that one |
| 13:43.01 | nevcairiel | haha, irony :D |
| 13:43.09 | Corrodias | hmm, your statement tastes like iron |
| 13:43.12 | Kevorkian | purl, dict 3 irony |
| 13:43.33 | grr^ | well |
| 13:44.02 | grr^ | well it's freking annoying to say the least ;< |
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| 13:54.09 | grr^ | ok fixxed first problem |
| 13:54.15 | grr^ | would anyone care to take a loot at my code? |
| 13:54.59 | grr | gah impossible to paste so it makes sense without showing it all and i guess none has time for that |
| 13:55.18 | grr | well, my problem is that i'm trying to player names to groups, you can drag and drop them between groups |
| 13:55.59 | grr | and ofcourse i wanna expand the "area" that is "snap"-able when the group expands so you can drop the player name ontop of the other players and it will snap to that group |
| 13:56.13 | grr | the problem is that for aslong as i dont change the frame (aka the "snap area") everything works fine |
| 13:56.26 | grr | but the moment i try to resize it so it fits the amount of players currently in the group |
| 13:56.31 | grr | everything goes ze borked ;( |
| 13:56.40 | Kevorkian | borked in what way? |
| 13:57.34 | grr | well sometimes i can't move the frame that was "snapping", it gets locked in place. |
| 13:57.51 | grr | and i also get an error from my frame collision detection function "trying to perform arithmetics on a nil value" |
| 13:58.07 | grr | the nil value in this case is the position of the frame i was snapping to, the group frame. |
| 13:59.12 | grr | it's the "effective scale" value returned from "frameTwo:GetEffectiveScale();" in the collision detection code after the size is changed for the gorup frame that is nil |
| 13:59.16 | grr | why o why! |
| 14:01.41 | grr | and as I said, as soon as i stop resizing the group frame (the frame i "snap" the players "to") everything works fine |
| 14:04.06 | Kevorkian | so the bugs only occur during the resize, not after? |
| 14:04.28 | grr | well, as soon as i resize the group i can't snap anything to anything anymore |
| 14:04.41 | grr | it's broken untill i reload the ui |
| 14:04.47 | Kevorkian | gotcha |
| 14:04.54 | grr | ? |
| 14:05.10 | Kevorkian | gotcha as in, I understand what you're saying |
| 14:05.23 | grr | ;< |
| 14:05.36 | grr | ok I know WHERE it's caused |
| 14:05.39 | grr | but not why |
| 14:06.06 | Kevorkian | on what event do you try to do the snap? |
| 14:06.13 | grr | event? ;< |
| 14:06.19 | grr | OnMouseUp |
| 14:06.33 | grr | but i know where it's caused but not why now, hold on two seconds |
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| 14:11.11 | grr | Kevorkian: http://pastey.net/1108 |
| 14:11.12 | grr | there |
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| 14:14.52 | grr | Kevorkian: Any idea at all why it breaks? ; |
| 14:15.20 | [Wobin] | ~seen Beladona |
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| 14:15.56 | grr | lol |
| 14:18.17 | Kevorkian | grr: alas, I don't see anything obvious but my grasp of the UI code is still somewhat basic. if you make the two parents a fixed size do you know for a fact that it doesn't crash (in other words, are you certain that resizing is the issue)? |
| 14:18.37 | Beladona | huh wha? |
| 14:18.41 | Beladona | whatd I miss? |
| 14:18.53 | Kevorkian | monkeys! |
| 14:18.56 | grr | Kevorkian: when i remove the "sizing" thing, everything works *perfect* |
| 14:18.58 | [Wobin] | oh nothing yet =) I was hoping you could approve HeyFu on WoWi =) |
| 14:19.06 | Beladona | aye, one sec |
| 14:19.07 | grr | it's just as soon as i try to resize it everything breaks |
| 14:19.10 | [Wobin] | woo, ta =) |
| 14:19.25 | grr | Kevorkian: Altho... I have fixed sizes on the things i snap to in the XML, should I remove those maybe? |
| 14:19.40 | Kirkburn|Vista | The Zoo has called, it wants the monkeys back Kevorkian. Oh, and [Wobin], they want him too. |
| 14:19.47 | [Wobin] | eee |
| 14:19.47 | Beladona | approvd |
| 14:19.53 | [Wobin] | woohoo =) Thank you |
| 14:20.41 | Xuerian | grr: you don't set frame positions through .x and .y |
| 14:20.47 | Kevorkian | kirkburn: they can't have them. they're my monkeys now, and with them I shall rule the world! |
| 14:21.02 | Xuerian | frame:SetPoint(Relpoint, relobject, relobjectpoint, xoffset, yoffset) |
| 14:21.08 | grr | Xuerian: That's what I'm doing. |
| 14:21.08 | [Wobin] | "Fly my pretties, be free"? |
| 14:21.15 | grr | But just not there, in the method i'm calling. |
| 14:21.22 | Kirkburn|Vista | What about [Wobin], can they have him? |
| 14:21.27 | Kevorkian | ya sure |
| 14:21.30 | Xuerian | you could go frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT", x, y) |
| 14:21.32 | grr | the .X and .Y are only for later reference it the use tries to drag something way |
| 14:21.39 | [Wobin] | I'm going to the zoo! I'm going to the zoo! |
| 14:21.39 | Xuerian | oh |
| 14:21.42 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 14:21.47 | grr | so i dont have to re-render everything and can just move them back in place |
| 14:21.54 | grr | if it doesn't find anything else to snap to |
| 14:22.23 | grr | Kevorkian: If i remove the sizes inthe XML decleration of the "snap" elements i get the same error |
| 14:22.34 | grr | as when i'm trying to resize them |
| 14:23.10 | Xuerian | RT_Task.SetHeight ...? not RT_Task:SetHeight |
| 14:23.24 | krka | anyone feel like turning this into an actual addon? http://wowi.pastey.net/1109 |
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| 14:23.47 | grr | Xuerian, yes because i do a height calculation inside the function and then call frame:SetHeight(calcedValue) |
| 14:23.57 | krka | i'd do it myself, but I 1) don't play WoW, 2) not high enough level to be in a raid :P |
| 14:23.57 | Kevorkian | grr: alas, no idea, my level of competence has been surpassed |
| 14:24.21 | Beladona | krka, removing the pig is a lot easier than that |
| 14:24.24 | Beladona | ping |
| 14:24.31 | krka | that code is not for removing the ping |
| 14:24.40 | Kevorkian | grr: mostly I just hang here to look pretty |
| 14:24.40 | Beladona | ahh ok only read so far |
| 14:24.51 | krka | you only read the first line? :) |
| 14:24.55 | Xuerian | grr: well then my coffee-less system is at a loss |
| 14:25.00 | krka | it's for determining distnaces between units in raid |
| 14:25.05 | grr | Beladona: Do you think you could have a look at my problem? i've been busting my head against it for the past 2h ;/ |
| 14:25.11 | Beladona | no I read the first 5 |
| 14:25.17 | Beladona | hehe |
| 14:25.25 | grr | ? ;> |
| 14:25.28 | grr | first 5? |
| 14:25.36 | Beladona | grr, sure, gimme links, and tell me the issue? |
| 14:25.44 | grr | the code is here: http://pastey.net/1108 |
| 14:26.06 | grr | well i got this snapping thing going on, basicly to drag players between named groups. |
| 14:26.24 | grr | it all works fine untill i try to resize the group to fit the amount of players inside it |
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| 14:26.51 | grr | when I do that, i get an error saying "trying to perform arithmetics on a nil value" in my function that detects frame collisions |
| 14:27.36 | grr | but this ONLY happens when I'm trying to resize the "old" parent and the "new" parent to the frame that is being snapped |
| 14:27.43 | grr | if i only resize the new parent, everything works perfect. |
| 14:28.04 | grr | but if i try to resize both( the RT_Main.Render(oldParent) call) after eachother everything breaks |
| 14:29.43 | grr | hmm ok i might have found the problem |
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| 14:29.54 | grr | when I drag a player from a group and that players is the last person being draged so the group is empty |
| 14:30.04 | grr | the size of the snap area is set to "playerCount*11" and if player count is 0 |
| 14:30.05 | grr | it's set to 0 |
| 14:30.12 | grr | and this everything breaks... am i right? ;> |
| 14:30.13 | Beladona | grr, give me the line number for the error |
| 14:30.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | is there a function to get the whois data of a playername ? |
| 14:30.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | or do i got to send a request and check the addmessage ;( |
| 14:30.48 | grr | Beladona: I think i fixed if you look at my last 4 sentances above this one. |
| 14:30.54 | Beladona | I am sure there is, it displays in the who frame |
| 14:31.10 | grr | Beladona: If you set a frame height to 0 it's nilled ;< |
| 14:31.28 | grr | and when I try to perform a calculation on the heigh which is 0, and this nil (not int(0) nil) i get an error |
| 14:31.52 | TS|Skrom | 0 != nil most of the time... |
| 14:31.54 | grr | hope i fixed it now but otherwise i'll come back and whine here ;> |
| 14:32.14 | grr | TS|Skrom true, but for some reason when a frame gets it height set to 0 it get's nilled |
| 14:32.16 | grr | apparently ;< |
| 14:32.23 | TS|Skrom | *shrug* :) |
| 14:32.29 | Beladona | 0 doesn't nil the frame size. It just sets it to 0 |
| 14:32.42 | Beladona | but that is still an issue |
| 14:32.45 | grr | ok well the problem is this line: "frame:SetHeight(11+playerCount*11)" |
| 14:33.07 | grr | when that line looks like: "frame:SetHeight(playerCount*11)" and playerCount = 0, this 0*11 = 0, i get an error in my frame detection code. |
| 14:33.17 | Beladona | aye |
| 14:33.19 | grr | well ok, the GetLeft() returns nil, maybe that's the problem. |
| 14:33.41 | Beladona | that first one looks good. It will always be a minimum of 11 |
| 14:33.55 | grr | ye, 11 is the text height i'm using for player names |
| 14:34.15 | grr | silly me i removed the "11+" thing like 3 hours ago b/c some reason and i've been busting my head against this for the past 2 |
| 14:34.32 | Beladona | sometimes it helps to write it out |
| 14:34.41 | grr | ye ;> |
| 14:34.41 | krka | or just describe the problem to someone else |
| 14:34.43 | Kevorkian | this is why it's handy to have padded walls |
| 14:34.53 | grr | Kevorkian: lol |
| 14:34.57 | krka | with padded walls, you'll not learn! |
| 14:35.13 | grr | and it works |
| 14:35.14 | Beladona | I can't remember how many times I have solved my own issues by formulating a question to ask |
| 14:35.24 | krka | Beladona: exactly! |
| 14:35.31 | Kevorkian | actually I find with padded walls you get distracted because it's so much fun to throw yourself against them.... although the velcro walls work better |
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| 14:35.53 | grr | krka & Beladona: yes so true, i basicly solved it myself cos i was typing it out, and as u said Beladona i've done that a couple of times also ;p |
| 14:35.59 | Kevorkian | padded velcro walls sort of eliminate the needs for psychiatrick restraint |
| 14:36.12 | Kevorkian | err psychiatric |
| 14:36.16 | grr | Kevorkian: you scare me |
| 14:37.05 | Xuerian | padded velcro walls? Hmm... can you roll yourself up them and get yourself on the hopefully velcro padded ceiling? |
| 14:37.11 | Kevorkian | grr: I get that a lot, but at least I'm not a buddhist monk. In 1959 on this day, the prime minister of sri lanka was mortally wounded by a buddhist monk. they're like freaking animals |
| 14:37.45 | Beladona | that would require some seriously strong tensile strength velcro |
| 14:37.52 | Beladona | probably of the steel wool consistency |
| 14:38.02 | Beladona | and high matt |
| 14:38.04 | Beladona | matte |
| 14:38.13 | Xuerian | lol |
| 14:38.23 | Beladona | not that I thought this through or anything.... |
| 14:38.28 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 14:38.32 | Xuerian | XD |
| 14:38.39 | grr | Maybe it's because i'm not native english but i have no ide what velcro walls are ;p please enlighten me, altho i've not been into any pshyciatric instution either so |
| 14:38.53 | Kevorkian | you know what velcro is yes? |
| 14:39.33 | grr | well i'm sur ei know what it's in my native language |
| 14:39.36 | grr | but in english no ;< |
| 14:39.56 | grr | ah |
| 14:40.00 | grr | yes i Know what it is silly me |
| 14:40.03 | Xuerian | Sheets of fabric with lots of loose loops of some thread-like material, opposing one covered in hooks |
| 14:40.04 | Kevorkian | purl, dict velcro |
| 14:40.05 | Xuerian | XD |
| 14:40.19 | Xuerian | purl dict velcro 1 |
| 14:40.24 | grr | ah yes sorry i know what it is now, that slipped my mind. |
| 14:40.25 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 14:40.35 | Kevorkian | purl, dict 1 velcro |
| 14:40.46 | Xuerian | blah |
| 14:40.48 | grr | oh |
| 14:40.50 | Xuerian | mine was better. |
| 14:40.50 | grr | velcro walls |
| 14:41.04 | grr | now that WOULD be fun ;p |
| 14:41.31 | Kevorkian | there's actually places in the US you can go to where they put you in a fuzzy suit and you bounce off a trampoline into a padded velcro wall |
| 14:41.37 | Xuerian | hahahaaha, I can just imagine being let go at the top of a tall room with padded velcro walls, throwing yourself against one and whirling down it at high speed |
| 14:41.42 | grr | Thing is that even tho i get help by being in this chan the rate at which i'm coding must have slowed by atleas 50% because of all the nonsense talk ;P |
| 14:42.27 | Kevorkian | sorry, grr, it's monday, my brain lacks capability to seriously consider the universe until at least mid-Tuesday |
| 14:42.53 | Kevorkian | and apparently monday is also gratuitous use of commas day |
| 14:43.03 | Kevorkian | so, there, take, that |
| 14:43.29 | Xuerian | lool, grr, this channel is always a good bit nonsense |
| 14:43.32 | grr | altho the coding rate might have something to do with that i spent the first 6h today at VLC watching that 70's show |
| 14:45.15 | Xuerian | Rofl! |
| 14:45.22 | grr | rolf! (swedish name) |
| 14:45.27 | Xuerian | :P |
| 14:45.46 | grr | quality show tho |
| 14:45.50 | Xuerian | So, there's this car... it runs on water, man! |
| 14:46.03 | grr | DUMBASS! |
| 14:46.04 | grr | ;< |
| 14:46.17 | grr | awww now i gotta watch another epsiode ;P |
| 14:47.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | Wow, the draenei weriously are enormous - they're about 1-2 foot over a tauren! |
| 14:47.12 | Kirkburn|Vista | *seriously |
| 14:47.29 | grr | btw, have you ever experienced that nice feeling of taking a tshirt and socks on after sitting around in just pants all day .. it's a very nice sort of fuzzy and cozy feeling |
| 14:47.34 | grr | i love it! |
| 14:47.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Height.jpg <-- sourc |
| 14:48.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | ..e |
| 14:48.06 | Kevorkian | I try to avoid wearing pants |
| 14:48.10 | Kevorkian | erm |
| 14:48.13 | grr | Kevorkian lol |
| 14:48.15 | Kevorkian | that was my "inside voice" |
| 14:48.16 | Xuerian | XD |
| 14:48.19 | grr | ;D |
| 14:48.31 | Kirkburn|Vista | Are we talking US pants or european pants? |
| 14:49.11 | Xuerian | There's a difference? 0-o |
| 14:49.12 | Kevorkian | african or european? |
| 14:49.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | Yes, indeed there is .. US = trousers, EU = underwear |
| 14:50.54 | Xuerian | Ohh. |
| 14:52.48 | krka | you mean US = trousers, GB = underwear |
| 14:53.09 | Kirkburn|Vista | Well, most people int he EU learn GB english idioms |
| 14:53.24 | krka | nah, us tv > gb tv |
| 14:53.37 | krka | (that said, i think coupling rules!) |
| 14:53.40 | Kirkburn|Vista | Yes, but GB is nearer, and is where they will mos tlikely visit :) |
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| 14:57.30 | malreth | i can suck the life out of a shark! |
| 14:58.53 | Maldivia | malreth: I bet a shark can suck the life out of you aswell! |
| 14:59.40 | Tem | what about a stingray? |
| 14:59.57 | Maldivia | they dont suck... they sting... |
| 15:01.05 | Kevorkian | I'm fairly sure that sharks don't suck so much as chew |
| 15:01.31 | Kevorkian | unless you're referring to the dreaded Lewinskishark |
| 15:09.32 | Corrodias | okay, time for bed! i have ZG to attend this afternoon. maybe. i'm signed up as an alt. |
| 15:09.40 | AnduinLothar | why int he world doesn't BAG_UPDATE fire for the bank bags.. |
| 15:11.39 | Amro | because blizzard intends to make coding addons a living hell |
| 15:12.10 | Amro | you'd think microsoft coded the api :) |
| 15:13.41 | Kevorkian | nah, if they'd coded the API they would have made it object oriented with exemplar based overrides |
| 15:13.51 | Kevorkian | purl, dict exemplar |
| 15:14.04 | Kevorkian | purl, dict 1 exemplar |
| 15:14.16 | Kevorkian | purl, dict 3 exemplar |
| 15:14.21 | Kevorkian | darn it |
| 15:14.28 | Kevorkian | purl, dict 4 exemplar |
| 15:14.39 | AnduinLothar | mmm ic... PLAYERBANKSLOTS_CHANGED is fired instead of the more logical BAG_UPDATE arg1 = -1 |
| 15:14.45 | Kevorkian | well, that's not what I had in mind but it's just about as confusing |
| 15:16.11 | AnduinLothar | yay working Bank Manager prototype |
| 15:16.41 | AnduinLothar | should work nicely.. just need to give it some niftiness more than basic functionality |
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| 15:24.51 | AnduinLothar | but first... sleep |
| 15:25.47 | Osagasu | No sleep. |
| 15:27.15 | AnduinLothar | it's 8:30am.. i think it's about time |
| 15:27.29 | Amro | to wake up |
| 15:28.45 | Osagasu | Seriously. |
| 15:28.51 | Osagasu | I wake up at 7. |
| 15:29.06 | cogwheel | 6:13 for me... (after 2 13-minute snoozes) |
| 15:29.22 | cogwheel | s/13-/14-/ |
| 15:42.02 | Kevorkian | 5:30 this morn |
| 15:42.28 | Kevorkian | same tomorrow, then I get to sleep till 6:15 on Wednesday. wewt |
| 15:49.27 | Kevorkian | man, monday is usually a bear to get started but today I feel like my brain is full of mush. maybe I've contracted mad tauren disease from my druid alt |
| 15:56.59 | Xuerian | 5:30? 6:30? .... /woke up at 10:30 |
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| 16:02.13 | krka | no one interested in coding the idea i posted? |
| 16:03.10 | nevcairiel | what did you post? |
| 16:03.11 | krka | anyone feel like turning this into an actual addon? http://wowi.pastey.net/1109 |
| 16:03.17 | Mery | (already did, at least partly - them my guild fell apart and there was no need anymore lol) |
| 16:03.20 | krka | i bet lots of raider would like it |
| 16:03.29 | krka | Mery: so finish it up and release it :) |
| 16:04.41 | Mery | well my version was heavily build on the other bossmods i did, so well gotta start over again |
| 16:04.53 | Mery | there i ran into a slight problem though |
| 16:05.35 | Mery | setting a texture to same as the coordinates you get results in a sligh offset |
| 16:07.20 | Mery | maybe i still got a SS, lets see |
| 16:09.28 | krka | you needed to involve graphics? |
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| 16:09.55 | Mery | well my idea waws to show the complete raid on the minimap or people with a debuff and so on |
| 16:10.02 | Mery | or your MT |
| 16:10.45 | Mery | well the range check was planned too for c'thun |
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| 16:14.49 | cladhaire | howdy |
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| 16:24.54 | Mery | hmm no can't find one, but what do you think about this http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=raidsymbolskq1.jpg ? (it just replaced certain strings in chat messages, pretty simple once you got the font modifyed to add the icons) |
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| 16:25.38 | Legorol | Anyone knows where I could download a copy of the US client from? |
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| 16:25.53 | grr | Mery do you know where the textures for the raid icons are bt? |
| 16:25.55 | grr | btw. |
| 16:26.29 | cogwheel | Legorol: nowhere legally... |
| 16:26.36 | Mery | cogwheel: wrong |
| 16:26.40 | Legorol | isn't there a trial program or something? |
| 16:26.45 | Mery | you can get it if you get a trial |
| 16:26.48 | Legorol | i thought there is something where you can register for a 10-day pass |
| 16:26.54 | Legorol | Mery: yes please, where is that? |
| 16:26.55 | Kirkburn | Download the trial, and patch it |
| 16:27.11 | Legorol | that's what i'd like, i can't a link to the trial on US wow page |
| 16:27.17 | Mery | http://www.fileplanet.com/163517/160000/fileinfo/World-of-Warcraft---Trial-Client |
| 16:27.21 | Kirkburn | It's supported and recommended |
| 16:27.36 | Mery | wait nmv seems you need a loging there |
| 16:27.37 | cogwheel | AFAIK, the trial was only offered in magazines and at retail stores for like $3 |
| 16:27.58 | Mery | no i got a trial (and a download i didn't use) once to check out the horde AH |
| 16:28.08 | Kirkburn | Spot the deliberate mistake? http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7941/hortus04ja0.jpg |
| 16:28.47 | Kirkburn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wowclient-download.html |
| 16:28.50 | Kirkburn | Tadaa! |
| 16:29.51 | Legorol | Mery: don't seem to need to log in any more than logging in to fileplanet, so that worked! |
| 16:29.53 | Legorol | thanks a lot |
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| 16:30.30 | Legorol | Kirkburn: that's cool too, takes me to same thing by the looks of it |
| 16:30.40 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 16:31.23 | Kirkburn | Anyone spot the deliberate mistake in that screenshot? ... here's a clue ;) http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/299/hortus05ps5.jpg |
| 16:32.05 | cogwheel | besides the fact that it's a gnome on a tauren named Hortus? |
| 16:32.12 | Legorol | Kirkburn: that's clearly a fake |
| 16:32.22 | Legorol | even without the clue |
| 16:32.26 | Kirkburn | O'rly? http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/28574869.htm |
| 16:32.27 | cogwheel | s/n n/n mount n/ |
| 16:32.56 | cogwheel | Ya rly... he was being sarcastic, imo |
| 16:33.04 | grr | how slow/fast are loops of tables in indexed tables in lua? |
| 16:33.07 | cogwheel | the lighting's all wrong |
| 16:33.21 | grr | hmm, that came out all wrong. |
| 16:33.21 | cogwheel | and he's the only antialiased model in the pciture |
| 16:33.28 | grr | How fast is LUAs looping of indexed tables+ ;> |
| 16:34.11 | Kirkburn | =) Wouldn't surprise me if Hortus could make one though |
| 16:35.26 | grr | damn that guy must have gone thru some serious trouble each time he leveled and had to go to the shaman trainer ;P |
| 16:35.30 | [floyd] | Oh hey cogwheel, if you don't have anything more interesting to do, feel free to smack me ;) |
| 16:35.37 | grr | (pitcuters lvl6 gnome shaman walking into orgrimmar to learn earth schock ;<) |
| 16:35.44 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:35.57 | [floyd] | Thanks, it is very much appreciated. |
| 16:36.06 | cogwheel | Always happy to be of assistance :) |
| 16:36.19 | Kirkburn | Are you smacking your bitch up? |
| 16:36.27 | krka | if anyone here uses Compost, i ran a simple test with lua 5.1 |
| 16:36.29 | krka | http://wowi.pastey.net/1113 |
| 16:36.38 | krka | my conclusion is that Compost is obsolete with lua 5.1 |
| 16:36.54 | [floyd] | cogwheel: Turned out to be a typo after all when I didn't get any OnEnter/OnLeave events passed.... I _did_ copy-paste the functions, but edited them later on, got a phone call, got distracted.... blah blah blah. |
| 16:37.12 | cogwheel | [floyd]: XD |
| 16:37.59 | [floyd] | -15 Int. |
| 16:40.23 | cladhaire | krka: I could have told you that without testing =) |
| 16:40.29 | cladhaire | krka: But good to have tested it |
| 16:40.36 | cogwheel | I was just chatting with a Newegg rep... at the end it says "hope you have an eggcelent day" |
| 16:40.43 | krka | yeah, i basically just verified my own suspicions |
| 16:40.46 | cladhaire | cogwheel: eeeeew |
| 16:40.49 | Xuerian | rofl, cogwheel |
| 16:42.12 | cladhaire | is AuthType Basic sent plaintext still these days? |
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| 16:43.17 | cogwheel | krka, what are those timings under 5.0? |
| 16:43.22 | krka | haven't checked |
| 16:43.23 | Kirkburn | That's my third blue screen today, and one wasn't even on my Vista rig :/ |
| 16:44.26 | krka | 1.52 vs 0.03 with 1e5 steps |
| 16:44.41 | krka | but that's not really relevant, since lua 5.1 is not incremental |
| 16:44.47 | krka | and the main point of compostlib is to avoid halts |
| 16:46.03 | cogwheel | ah |
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| 17:05.27 | TS|Skrom | crap |
| 17:05.37 | TS|Skrom | I lost my link to that page that had all the wow patches >< someone help |
| 17:06.57 | Elkano | krka, if this really holds for WoW 2.0 it would be nice :) but up to it's release compost is a nice way to ease the pain a bit |
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| 17:39.33 | grr | hmm |
| 17:39.41 | grr | WTF does "Recommended" in BLUE/GREEN mean? |
| 17:39.53 | grr | in the server selection list, i've only seen green before never blue..wtf |
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| 17:42.30 | cogwheel | grr: I think they're low-pop |
| 17:42.35 | cogwheel | newer realms |
| 17:42.47 | grr | hm kk |
| 17:42.50 | Kaso | i though blue was a new non-transfer server. |
| 17:42.58 | Kaso | sorta the same as cog said |
| 17:44.08 | grr | cogwheel: Is there any API command do hide ALL sub-things to a frame such as textures, the shiznits? |
| 17:44.11 | grr | everything that is |
| 17:44.25 | cogwheel | you mean without hiding the frame itself? |
| 17:44.45 | cogwheel | any time you hide a frame, all its children are hidden |
| 17:44.49 | grr | yes |
| 17:44.53 | grr | but without hiding the frame itself |
| 17:45.04 | grr | like HideChildren() or whateer |
| 17:45.09 | cogwheel | Wrap a dummy frame around it |
| 17:45.13 | TS|Skrom | put everything into a subframe and hide the subframe :) |
| 17:45.21 | grr | ah |
| 17:45.22 | grr | smart ^^ |
| 17:45.54 | cogwheel | yep. same thing from another direction ;) |
| 17:46.44 | TS|Skrom | cog is muy more eloquent then I |
| 17:47.22 | cogwheel | only when i'm fully alert... |
| 17:47.30 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 17:47.33 | cogwheel | i can be pretty uninteligible otherwise... |
| 17:47.42 | TS|Skrom | I slept 13 hours last night |
| 17:47.51 | Rozr | I'm trying to parse the chatlog to find out who recieved what loot. but I keep getting "Unhandled chat event "MSG_CHAT_LOOT" (which is the event I"m parsing for) |
| 17:47.53 | TS|Skrom | and I feel drained... damn science and their stupid laws of nature |
| 17:47.58 | Rozr | anyone able to lend a hand with what I"m doing wrong |
| 17:51.00 | cogwheel | might be better to just pastey the code and ask people to take a look... we can't know if we'll be able to help without seeing the problem ;) |
| 17:52.14 | Iriel | Rozr: Are you sure that's coming from your addon and not another one? |
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| 17:54.57 | Rozr | yes its coming from my log |
| 17:56.30 | Iriel | did you forget a 'return' somewhere? |
| 18:05.25 | Maldivia | uhh, Druid talents and spells are official now |
| 18:06.42 | Xuerian | Link or it doesn't exist. |
| 18:07.06 | Xuerian | s/oesn't exist/idn't happen/ |
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| 18:08.53 | Maldivia | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-druid/talents.html |
| 18:09.03 | Maldivia | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-druid/spells.html |
| 18:09.08 | dreyruugr | Anyone know how to get/setup a wowi portal? |
| 18:09.45 | cogwheel | create an account |
| 18:09.56 | cogwheel | it then should be an option on the main page |
| 18:10.30 | cogwheel | (iirc) |
| 18:10.34 | dreyruugr | ah! |
| 18:10.37 | dreyruugr | there it is |
| 18:10.48 | dreyruugr | Silly me thinking they would have put it under "User CP" |
| 18:11.30 | cogwheel | yeah... i think the User CP is only for the forums |
| 18:13.23 | TS|Skrom | is /cast a blizzard thing or something else? |
| 18:13.39 | Iriel | Blizzard |
| 18:14.09 | Rozr | iriel what would I be returning? |
| 18:14.44 | Iriel | Rozr - I just wondered if you'd written an event handling function with that message if it reaches the end, and forgot to return from an event 'hit' |
| 18:14.49 | Xuerian | Geez, I'm so not playing a different class come BC. |
| 18:15.11 | cogwheel | what do you play now? |
| 18:15.14 | Xuerian | Druid. |
| 18:15.24 | cogwheel | heh |
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| 18:15.39 | cogwheel | i raid with my warlock, though i still consider my warrior my main... |
| 18:15.58 | cogwheel | i'm really looking forward to ritual of souls ;) |
| 18:16.01 | Xuerian | Haven't managed to get anything else past 30 yet =\ |
| 18:16.15 | Xuerian | Ritual of souls? Hmm.... have to look at warlock talents/spells :P |
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| 18:17.12 | cogwheel | warla: do you need more beta testers? |
| 18:18.30 | dreyruugr | Xuerian: still using Sprocket? |
| 18:20.28 | Rozr | Iriel, http://cl1p.net/chatparse |
| 18:20.33 | Xuerian | I haven't even been playing, but tried it now and then.... Last version had two issues, couldn't drag the placeable button (Or didn't know how, tried drag, altdrag (this erratically scaled it), ctrldrag, normaldrag, shiftdrag). Also cooldowns were displaying per position on the radial menu, despite what menu was open |
| 18:21.22 | cogwheel | rozr: fyi (as mentioned in this channel's topic): http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 18:21.32 | Rozr | whast the difference? |
| 18:21.36 | cogwheel | it does syntax highlighting |
| 18:21.55 | Rozr | cogwheel, its not a complex set of functions but I'll remember that for next time |
| 18:21.59 | cogwheel | it also lets others submit changes and you can do diffs between the two different versions |
| 18:22.13 | Xuerian | dreyruugr: Something in specific I should be aware of? |
| 18:22.37 | cogwheel | rozr: arg1-arg9 aren't actual arguments to the functions |
| 18:22.48 | cogwheel | they're global variables that WoW sets when it fires the event |
| 18:22.49 | dreyruugr | wondering if you're using script items... I've had a few people mention they're printing the /script stuff to the say channel |
| 18:22.54 | dreyruugr | but I can't repro it |
| 18:23.02 | Rozr | http://wowi.pastey.net/1115 |
| 18:23.03 | Xuerian | well, I can try it |
| 18:23.18 | Xuerian | Gimmie a minute to update it and try random shit |
| 18:23.25 | Rozr | cogwheel, and? this is a hook |
| 18:23.30 | Rozr | err it sa aprt of a hook |
| 18:23.59 | cogwheel | rozr: you shouldn't be passing all those arguments to OriginalChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 18:24.21 | Rozr | what should I be passing just event? |
| 18:24.27 | cogwheel | yes |
| 18:25.23 | cogwheel | i don't know whether that's causing your problem, but it'll clean up your code a bit and prevent possible problems in the future |
| 18:25.36 | Xuerian | dreyruugr: Did you get any examples of the script strings they were trying? |
| 18:25.44 | dreyruugr | Nope |
| 18:25.58 | Xuerian | hm, well, I'll try random shit :P |
| 18:25.59 | dreyruugr | I'm wondering if it's some other addon screwing up the slash command list |
| 18:27.09 | Xuerian | Hm? the slashcommands global array? and they were having problems when using "/script somethingsomething()" in the sprocket? |
| 18:28.08 | cogwheel | rozr: also, i'm not quite sure what the "return 1" is for... maybe you should just change that to "return"? |
| 18:28.17 | Rozr | cogwheel, alright |
| 18:30.57 | Rozr | still doing it |
| 18:31.06 | Xuerian | Drey, simple fix |
| 18:31.07 | cogwheel | what's the exact error? |
| 18:31.12 | Xuerian | Check for / at the start of the script field |
| 18:31.18 | Xuerian | People were entering it with no /script |
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| 18:31.25 | Xuerian | If there's no /, parse it as LUA |
| 18:31.39 | cogwheel | you should also throw up some debugging output to help figure out the path it's taking through your code |
| 18:33.19 | Xuerian | Actually, it looks like... gah, wha? Ok. No /script, it prints out whatever code I put in. /Script code tries to execute code. /say something, says "say something" |
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| 18:34.49 | Xuerian | dreyruugr: Any emotes also get parsed correctly... but not /me's |
| 18:35.06 | dreyruugr | ./me's? |
| 18:35.17 | Xuerian | I'll send a SS. simpler :P |
| 18:35.43 | dreyruugr | I see it |
| 18:36.00 | dreyruugr | Not sure why it doesn't work though... using blizzards own parsing code |
| 18:40.50 | TS|Skrom | Can someone explain how function hooks interact with each other, i.e. when more then one addon is hooking the same function |
| 18:41.35 | Xuerian | dreyruugr: What function handles it in sprocket? |
| 18:41.48 | dreyruugr | It's in ItemClasses-2.0 |
| 18:41.57 | dreyruugr | ExecSlashCommand |
| 18:43.37 | dreyruugr | I think I see the issue |
| 18:43.47 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: a hook is just a wrapper, basically (assuming you call the original function) |
| 18:44.00 | cogwheel | whatever was the last one to hook it will be on the "outside" and be processed first. |
| 18:44.16 | Shadowed | except you can't pass any additional arguments unless you know that the other mods also pass it |
| 18:44.46 | Xuerian | Good, because I got completely lost :P |
| 18:44.49 | cogwheel | And to add on to that, you should always use the "safe" method mentioned on the wiki |
| 18:45.26 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_functions_in_a_safer_way |
| 18:45.44 | cogwheel | I had my addon broken because another addon hooked a function but only passed along the first couple parameters |
| 18:46.22 | dreyruugr | I wasn't re-adding the "/" to the command when I sent it |
| 18:46.42 | Xuerian | Ahhh, that would be logical (innerDurrrrr) |
| 18:46.46 | Beladona | that method adds overhead to the hook |
| 18:46.49 | Beladona | but it works |
| 18:47.07 | cogwheel | It will add much less overhead come 5.1 though :) |
| 18:47.20 | Shadowed | I just wouldn't rely on passing parameters and work around it |
| 18:47.44 | Beladona | come 5.1, you won't be hooking very often |
| 18:47.52 | Shadowed | how will we be doing it instead? |
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| 18:47.59 | Beladona | I still see hooking at a sad hack |
| 18:48.04 | Beladona | but I know we all feel that way |
| 18:48.05 | Xuerian | dreyruugr: The only other thing I can think of with sprocket is on it's options panel, the tabs are a little high or something, compare it to the default character panel :P |
| 18:48.36 | dreyruugr | that's actually because there's a little button patch at the bottom covering up parts of the actual frame I'm using |
| 18:48.42 | cogwheel | Beladona: i'm still wondering where you heard about the changes to hooking ;) |
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| 18:48.50 | Beladona | on the street corner |
| 18:48.51 | Beladona | oh |
| 18:49.13 | Xuerian | Ahh. Also, the mysterious cooldowns thing is gone now, too. So nevermind that <_< |
| 18:49.54 | dreyruugr | cooldowns thing? |
| 18:49.58 | Beladona | I don't have all the details, so I am not going to make a big deal about it. but I just don't think hooking was ever meant to be the *way*, and I know it is being "looked" at |
| 18:50.11 | Xuerian | That's the right idea XD |
| 18:50.21 | Beladona | I have my own opinions on how it should be fixed |
| 18:51.07 | Xuerian | (Earlier I mentioned not being able to drag the button properly, and that cooldowns were showing up on menus they didn't apply to. Both are fixed with the/over the latest versions since yesterday's) |
| 18:51.17 | Xuerian | (that or it was me starting with a fresh sprocket folder :P) |
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| 18:56.24 | Beladona | ok so that new Lifebloom druid skill. In that picture the guy that has it is "very" green. Is that the spell effect, or is he just wearing green armor already? |
| 18:56.41 | Industrial | http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4663/1159209880211nd3.jpg |
| 18:56.43 | Industrial | cuuuuuuuute |
| 18:57.03 | Shadowed | Beladona: That's T3 Dreamwalker, it's green already |
| 18:57.20 | Beladona | kk, thought so, but it looked weird so |
| 18:57.23 | Beladona | =P |
| 18:57.33 | Shadowed | dreamwalker looks weird |
| 18:59.49 | malreth | i hate fixing windows printing problems... >_< |
| 19:01.55 | Beladona | I love the layout of this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5371 |
| 19:02.11 | Beladona | should do something similar for that raid icon targetting thing |
| 19:02.42 | zenzelezz | NWNish |
| 19:02.43 | kergoth | sprocket is damn cool, wonder if i should actually use it for something |
| 19:02.45 | zenzelezz | pretty cool |
| 19:03.38 | Beladona | I might use it as the base for my own marker menu. Not gonna release it though, as that would be rogue-like |
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| 19:09.03 | Cairenn | brb |
| 19:09.44 | krka | heh, saying brb without being involved with any sort of public conversation :) |
| 19:13.23 | Mikma | Beladona: you know... Sprocket already HAS raidicons in :D |
| 19:13.34 | Mikma | Beladona: you just need to enable them from *some* menu :) |
| 19:15.40 | cladhaire | sprocket is kinda neat =) |
| 19:15.47 | kergoth | it does? sweet |
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| 19:19.37 | Xuerian | Yeah, it kinda already has raidtargets :P |
| 19:19.52 | Xuerian | dreyruugr has done a excellent job on it ;D |
| 19:20.02 | Xuerian | Now I just have to make phantom black ring texture.... |
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| 19:26.09 | Xuerian | Is it just me, or does this tauren druid look shockingly like a gnome? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-druid/images/spells/screenshots/lifebloom-thumb.jpg |
| 19:28.17 | Gryphen | shockingly :o |
| 19:28.51 | Gryphen | looks tauren to me... |
| 19:29.16 | Xuerian | I thought it was a gnome with treebranches coming out it's rear =| |
| 19:29.21 | Shadowed | just a bad angle |
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| 19:36.42 | Osagasu | LMAOMAOMAO |
| 19:36.45 | Osagasu | TREE FORM! |
| 19:36.46 | Osagasu | xD |
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| 19:38.26 | Esamynn | Osagasu: you laugh now, just wait until that Tree's party kicks your ass :P |
| 19:38.41 | Esamynn | and besides, Druids are getting a Flight Form at lvl 68! =D |
| 19:39.42 | tyroney|work | That tree form sounds fun. And I wonder what the "reasoning" will be behind outland only for flight. |
| 19:40.27 | Kirkburn | They need the energy of the nether??? Er .. |
| 19:40.29 | Thumann | is there a way to 'process' a whisper before it's displayed for you? i mean.. i want to block whispers from all lvl 1. chars |
| 19:40.57 | Esamynn | I have a funny feeling they are going to avoid that detail tyroney|work we already know the real reason ;) |
| 19:41.09 | Kirov | Thumann - sure |
| 19:41.17 | Thumann | Kirov: Do tell :) |
| 19:41.30 | Kirov | Thumann - not sure if you really want to do that though. |
| 19:41.52 | Thumann | Kirov: well.. have it blocked.. and then have it reply to the person whispering with a message |
| 19:42.04 | Thumann | like.. |
| 19:42.12 | Thumann | NO I DO NOT WANT TO BUY YOU STINKING GOLD! |
| 19:42.13 | Thumann | hehe |
| 19:42.18 | Thumann | or something a bit more informative |
| 19:42.51 | Kirov | To check a characters level you either need to be grouped with them, have them in your guild, or target them and do UnitLevel |
| 19:43.12 | Kirov | or do a /who |
| 19:43.14 | Thrae | Thumann: Hook ChatFrame1 through ChatFrame7 AddMessage. |
| 19:43.28 | Kirov | screw AddMessage |
| 19:43.30 | Kirov | OnEvent |
| 19:43.35 | Thrae | Kirov: Or Mouseover |
| 19:43.54 | Thumann | And in regular english? (or as close as possible) |
| 19:44.08 | Kirov | Thumann - it's slow |
| 19:44.12 | Thrae | Well, hooking AddMessage would also get rid of stupid stuff said in Yell, General, Trade, etc. |
| 19:44.15 | Thumann | Kirov: understandable |
| 19:44.29 | Kirov | Thumann - it has a high chance of incuring a noticable hitch eachtime someone whispers you |
| 19:44.40 | Thrae | What does? |
| 19:44.49 | Kirov | Thrae - so would OnEvent |
| 19:44.59 | Thumann | Kirov: myeah.. like whispered raid warnings from multiple persons |
| 19:45.15 | zenzelezz | wouldn't you be in trouble if you try to /who someone every time someone speaks in General/Trade? |
| 19:45.24 | Esamynn | yep |
| 19:45.29 | Kirov | zenzelezz - aye |
| 19:45.32 | Thrae | Kirov: I thought he was trying to squelch strings as well |
| 19:45.39 | Kirov | WIM uses /who, but it takes a while |
| 19:45.55 | Thumann | no, not squelch the other stuff |
| 19:45.57 | Kirov | Thrae - which you can do through hooking ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 19:46.00 | Thumann | just whispers from persons lvl. 1 |
| 19:46.24 | Esamynn | but you'd have to check every time you were whispered |
| 19:46.41 | Thrae | QueueWho can fix that problem, but it generates a lot of tables at its current incarnation...I need to add the functionality to FixMe! |
| 19:46.43 | Kirov | Thumann - the problem is when you recieve a whisper, there's no easy way to know what level they are. |
| 19:47.13 | Thumann | Kirov: well.. so it's not possible to run a function before each whisper is displayed ? |
| 19:47.29 | Thrae | There would still be a delay, but at least /who requests wouldn't get randomly dropped like they can be now. |
| 19:47.48 | Kirov | If you're trying to block random "BUY GOLD FROM WWW.WOWGOLDFORCHEAP.COM NOW" messages, by the time the /who goes through the character has already disconnected. |
| 19:48.09 | Thumann | Kirov: hmm... |
| 19:48.15 | Kirov | Thumann - it is, but it might delay incoming tells by several seconds. |
| 19:48.19 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.28 | Kirov | Or cause your machine to hichup |
| 19:48.33 | Thumann | Kirov: well.. if nothing can be found.. then kill it |
| 19:48.41 | Thrae | Thumann: It would be easier just to make a lot of pattern strings to check for each whisper |
| 19:48.44 | Thumann | Kirov: but that would again require a timeout.. :/ |
| 19:49.00 | Thumann | Thrae: how does the profanity filter work? |
| 19:49.47 | Thrae | I don't know if the Profanity Filter uses pure C or a C/Lua hybrid, but it would be blatantly easy in Lua once you learn its pattern matching regular expressions. |
| 19:50.04 | malreth | the profanity filter is part of the game client... not in the UI |
| 19:50.54 | Thrae | malreth: Yeah I know, but that doesn't mean it doesn't use Lua |
| 19:51.22 | Kirov | It'd be silly to use lua |
| 19:51.40 | Kirov | C is far more efficient and faster when dealing with strings |
| 19:51.45 | Thrae | Well, I don't know of any popular C++ regexp packages... |
| 19:51.59 | cogwheel | thrae: boost |
| 19:52.12 | Thrae | Ah yes, 'ol Boost, after my time |
| 19:52.21 | cladhaire | but you don't likely need full regexp |
| 19:52.33 | cladhaire | and the speed of lua's pattern matching may gain you something |
| 19:52.38 | Kirov | Thumann - one option you have is to temporarily add a person to your friends list. |
| 19:53.26 | Thrae | Kirov: You don't necessarily need to instantiate them as Lua objects to use Lua's regexp, could easily do a C/Lua hybrid and using the Lua engine compiled into the program. |
| 19:54.19 | Kirov | Thrae - I'd imagine the profanity filter runs through the same functions that do the drunk messages and language filters. |
| 19:54.21 | Thrae | Hmmm that's a good thought Kirov, but I always noticed a delay before the information on the Friends List is accurate after adding a friend, and sometimes there is random discrepencies. |
| 19:54.21 | cladhaire | if i had to guess, the reason its done in C is to "hide" the list of "bad words".. as opposed to having them readily accesible. |
| 19:54.26 | cladhaire | not that that stops anyone |
| 19:54.58 | cladhaire | not ot mention, the way the UI is designed, it makes sense on the C side of things. |
| 19:55.48 | Thumann | is it fast to check if a person is guilded with you? |
| 19:55.55 | Thumann | or on your friends list |
| 19:56.03 | Kirov | decently fast, yes |
| 19:56.07 | Thumann | as in that being a 'skip' factor |
| 19:56.14 | Thrae | Well they could still use the pattern matching functions while keeping all variables on the C side. Then again, I don't know how much they compiled into WoW. Logically, they probably didn't use Lua, since the addition of Lua was more of an afterthought. |
| 19:56.18 | jaxdahl | anyone have a look at the new LFG UI? |
| 19:56.33 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn maybe |
| 19:56.36 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 19:56.53 | jaxdahl | they seem to be working on one in the alpha |
| 19:57.28 | cladhaire | you mean the alpha that no one is allowed to talk about? |
| 19:57.28 | Thrae | Thumann: http://svn.wowace.com/files/Teknicolor/ is an excellent example of how to quickly find information on someone without using Who commands. Teknicolor colours people's names by their class. |
| 19:57.28 | jaxdahl | yes that one |
| 19:57.28 | cladhaire | or acknolwedge that they are in? |
| 19:57.28 | cladhaire | in a logged irc channel? |
| 19:57.29 | jaxdahl | yes |
| 19:57.29 | cladhaire | k, just checking. |
| 19:57.36 | Thumann | Thrae: thanks |
| 19:57.40 | Thrae | Thumann: It's a very very tiny program, like 10 lines |
| 19:57.50 | Thrae | OK, maybe 15 lines |
| 19:57.59 | Thumann | Thrae: runs on ace though |
| 19:58.00 | Kirkburn | What alpha? I know of no alpha ... |
| 19:58.13 | Thrae | Thumann: Why do you think it runs on Ace? |
| 19:58.16 | Kirkburn | jaxdahl, why do I have the feeling you didn't mean to type my name easlier :P |
| 19:58.21 | Kirkburn | *earlier |
| 19:58.31 | jaxdahl | it was autocomplete |
| 19:58.52 | cladhaire | Thrae: Why in the hell did he use BabbleClass... classes are already localised O.o |
| 19:58.53 | jaxdahl | i might've meant kergoth or Kirov or kopple or krka or KaeltenAway or Kaso or Kemayo |
| 19:59.06 | Thrae | Well, 90% of the stuff on the wowace SVN runs on Ace, but not Teknicolor |
| 19:59.08 | Kaso | ^_- name spammage |
| 19:59.20 | jaxdahl | sorry for settingoff your highlighting |
| 19:59.28 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 19:59.36 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn, PMs |
| 19:59.39 | Thrae | cladhaire: Actually, I added in BabbleClass, and it's for reverse-translation for indexing into RAID_CLASS_COLORS. |
| 19:59.56 | Kirov | Thrae - which is why Teknicolor uses AceLibrary and Babble? |
| 20:00.34 | cladhaire | Thrae: You could do that with a static table, quite trivially =) |
| 20:00.48 | cladhaire | AceLibrary + BabbleClass is about 25 times larger than all of Core.lua |
| 20:01.04 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:01.15 | Thrae | Kirov: I wouldn't say something that uses "AceLibrary" as an "Ace Addon", AceLibrary is just souped-up Iriel stub code + Tekkub stub code |
| 20:01.52 | Thrae | cladhaire: Yeah I was thinking about doing it that way, then I got lazy |
| 20:01.59 | kergoth | shouldve named it something different, its just a generlaly useful single global library stub |
| 20:04.02 | Thrae | cladhaire: Oh I remember why we used Babble-Class, because you can't get the english class name for GetFriendInfo and GetGuildRosterInfo |
| 20:04.50 | Kirov | btw, what text editor do you use? |
| 20:05.15 | Thrae | I mostly use GVIM, for large projects I may use clad's SCiTe |
| 20:05.16 | cladhaire | kergoth: It has lots of "Stuff" in there now. |
| 20:05.23 | cladhaire | its truly AceLibrary now, no longer just a stub |
| 20:05.29 | kergoth | :( |
| 20:05.31 | cladhaire | Thrae: Ah, boo |
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| 20:05.45 | cladhaire | kergoth: "Stuff" that "Every" library needs |
| 20:06.02 | kergoth | i liked the original acelibrary and aceoo that we did in the beginning |
| 20:06.22 | cladhaire | aah the good old days! |
| 20:06.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:06.50 | Thumann | Thrae: interesting addon this teknicolor |
| 20:06.51 | Thrae | cladhaire: If I could get SCiTE looking just like GVIM, then I would use that instead. Stuff like colouring if...end different then function...end. I don't want to write out my own parse file... |
| 20:07.16 | cladhaire | Thrae: Wait huh? |
| 20:08.34 | Thrae | cladhaire: In GVIM's Lua parse, if...end statements are both brown, while function...end statements are both blue. In SCiTE, both are blue. |
| 20:08.42 | cladhaire | ah |
| 20:08.47 | cladhaire | *shrug* i didn't write the syntax coloring. |
| 20:08.50 | cladhaire | or any of it |
| 20:08.52 | cladhaire | i just packaged it. |
| 20:09.09 | Thrae | I wonder if I could use GVIM's syntax colouring in SCiTE? Hmmm... |
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| 20:16.25 | malreth | that's it. i give up. i'm going home |
| 20:16.44 | malreth | i'll fix this tomorrow by reinstalling windows and ghosting the entire lab |
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| 20:17.09 | malreth | it's like setting fire to a building |
| 20:17.38 | malreth | only legal |
| 20:19.01 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 20:19.29 | TS|Skrom | another for my archive |
| 20:21.46 | malreth | later later every person |
| 20:23.23 | cladhaire | TS|Skrom: submit it to bash =) |
| 20:33.46 | Beladona | Thrae: SCiTE uses a flat file that it references for syntax coloring if I recall. Should be fairly easy to reproduce the syntax coloring of GVIM |
| 20:34.47 | Legorol | is it just me or is it not possible to connect to PTR? |
| 20:35.12 | Osagasu | . . . |
| 20:35.16 | Osagasu | TREEFORMLOL! |
| 20:36.29 | TS|Skrom | what's the website that hass all the patches on it? |
| 20:36.34 | TS|Skrom | or at least the latest ones? |
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| 20:38.33 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 20:38.47 | Kirov | 'lo |
| 20:45.52 | Asni | TS|Skrom tried wowwiki? |
| 20:46.02 | Beladona | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/#p1.12.0 |
| 20:49.27 | Kirkburn | Well there's http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors of course, but Beladona's link is an awesome site |
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| 20:51.11 | Kirkburn | Whee, no more uncategorised pages on the wiki :D |
| 20:51.21 | TS|Skrom | gratz Kirkburn |
| 20:51.44 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:58.51 | Beladona | time to go home! see you all tomorrow! |
| 20:58.54 | Beladona | Auf Wiedersehen! |
| 20:59.19 | JoshBorke | ciao |
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| 21:10.45 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is WoW will be using Lua 5.1 for the expansion| http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 |Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 21:11.11 | cogwheel | ~wb |
| 21:11.13 | purl | It's great to be back! |
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| 21:26.44 | JoshBorke | someone help me write my synchronizer :-( |
| 21:27.17 | cladhaire | what synchronizer? |
| 21:28.05 | JoshBorke | for GuildBook. I want to keep a 'large' table synchronized between a guild |
| 21:28.39 | Iriel | Can you trust the update sources to maintain vaguely accurate timestamps? |
| 21:29.04 | Iriel | If so, try chunking the data and tracking last update for each chunk to at least avoid having to worry about unchanged data |
| 21:29.33 | JoshBorke | yea, i'll use vaguely accurate timestamps that propogate up the tree to narrow down any changes that have to be made |
| 21:30.14 | JoshBorke | i'm just trying to figure out how to make the data chunkable and process the chunks in an on-update |
| 21:30.22 | JoshBorke | without creating tons of gc churn |
| 21:32.02 | JoshBorke | Mikk: you there? |
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| 21:34.34 | Mikk | yea |
| 21:34.40 | JoshBorke | Mikk: still using my router? |
| 21:34.49 | Mikk | yeah |
| 21:34.55 | Mikk | you need me to move stuff away? |
| 21:34.56 | JoshBorke | Mikk: coolio, just let me know when you're done :-) |
| 21:34.58 | JoshBorke | naw |
| 21:35.00 | JoshBorke | just curious |
| 21:35.10 | Mikk | yeah i just want to tweak my new linux box some more |
| 21:35.18 | Mikk | then i'll move stuff back |
| 21:35.21 | JoshBorke | np |
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| 21:36.38 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Wikignome.png |
| 21:36.52 | Mikk | (not quite finished but wth..) |
| 21:37.06 | JoshBorke | nice |
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| 21:37.55 | Mikk | Cheating with raytracers ftw. |
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| 21:48.27 | kergoth | Mikma: you said sprocket has raidicons.. where? |
| 21:48.41 | Mikma | kergoth: there's actually as menu for them |
| 21:49.00 | Mikma | they are not enabled by default. you have to find it from menu and click the "Create raidicons" |
| 21:53.24 | kergoth | Mikma: ah! there it is. thanks |
| 21:53.46 | Mikma | kergoth: yeah np :) should be easier to access imho but it's dreyruugr's call |
| 21:58.11 | Industrial | http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8769/untitledld5.jpg |
| 21:59.05 | cogwheel | ?? |
| 21:59.52 | JoshBorke | you're missing the names... |
| 22:00.29 | zenzelezz | someone's trying to hide their porn downloads |
| 22:01.15 | kergoth | Mikma: heh, its broken in the version of sprocket i'm using. instead of doing /script, it -says- 'script'. so my char says script SetRaidTarget... |
| 22:01.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:01.57 | Mikma | oh, that's interesting. i just tried it moment ago in raid and worked :P but i think i don't have the 0.9.0 version of it yet |
| 22:02.24 | kergoth | mustve gotten broken in a recent release then |
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| 22:03.08 | Xuerian | I think he fixed that earlier today |
| 22:03.14 | Xuerian | get it from files :P |
| 22:03.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:05.40 | cogwheel | Kirkburn: I should've read this first: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_rc1_02.asp .... "So unless you have some specific workstation-type needs for more than 4 GB of RAM and very specific applications, please just skip out on x64 Vista versions entirely. There's no happy ending there and your sanity hangs in the balance." |
| 22:05.59 | cogwheel | meant to /msg him, but oh well... XD |
| 22:10.52 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:11.22 | Kirkburn | And I should have linked it to you :) |
| 22:11.47 | Kirkburn | Didn't realise you were going x64 though =) |
| 22:13.25 | sancus | that's a little disturbing |
| 22:13.38 | sancus | we'll be using Vista for a while, and I suspect we'll want more than 4GB of RAM in our workstations before Vista's day is over |
| 22:14.11 | Kirkburn | By then, I would expect the situation to have improved, at least a bit |
| 22:14.28 | sancus | well, he said 'my guess is it will always be a nightmare' |
| 22:14.31 | sancus | I hope his guess is wrong |
| 22:14.38 | cogwheel | I just hope there will be a direct upgrade path (for little cost) from x86 to x64 |
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| 22:29.25 | Kirkburn | As beautiful as the Vista shutdown screen is, I'm worried that I've been looking at it for 2 minutes now ... |
| 22:29.51 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 22:29.55 | cladhaire | ss or it didn't happen |
| 22:30.10 | [floyd] | Hehhe. |
| 22:30.19 | Plorkyeran | I'd be concerned if you could ss the shutdown screen |
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| 22:31.22 | Kirkburn | Fiiinally, it's shutdown :/ It's not a fan of Trackmania Sunrise. Or more accurately, Starforce |
| 22:32.02 | zenzelezz | no-one is a fan of Starforce ;-o |
| 22:32.21 | Kirkburn | Whaddya know "StarForce Protection blocked due to compatibility issues" |
| 22:34.12 | Kirkburn | starforce vista |
| 22:34.20 | Kirkburn | damn, wrong keyobard :P |
| 22:34.50 | Kirkburn | So often, I'm just glad I've not yet typed anything 'revealing'... |
| 22:35.57 | abug | .m nickserv hey baby, what you up to? |
| 22:36.01 | abug | mt |
| 22:37.25 | Maldivia | .m nickserv auth u53R=Id107 |
| 22:37.45 | Kirov | erm |
| 22:38.05 | cmunn | .m name spam |
| 22:38.43 | Kirkburn | .search google "Boobies" |
| 22:39.48 | Maldivia | I think the trick is, that .m instead of /m |
| 22:40.09 | cmunn | Hot+Druid+on+Gnome+Action |
| 22:40.20 | Esamynn | ~lart cmunn |
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| 22:40.42 | cmunn | I could use some pie with that. |
| 22:40.53 | cmunn | I like pie. |
| 22:42.10 | abug | pie is sacred, dun eat it |
| 22:43.33 | Kirkburn | Me vs. Vista. Vista wins again :/ |
| 22:43.35 | Kirov | http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/pie.htm |
| 22:43.52 | abug | england england! |
| 22:43.56 | Esamynn | Kirkburn: well yah, what did you expect? |
| 22:44.11 | Kirkburn | I was hoping to play Trackmania Sunrise :( |
| 22:44.41 | abug | http://www.live365.com/stations/asheron zomg video game music |
| 22:44.56 | Esamynn | Windows Entrance Sign: Abbandon Hope, all ye who enter here! |
| 22:45.27 | zenzelezz | Windows Vista: Where did you think you were going today? |
| 22:46.03 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: Windows Vista: You wont go anywhere today? |
| 22:47.53 | Industrial | Windows Vista: It's basically a new skin? |
| 22:48.38 | Kirov | Windows Vista: Adding more infinte loops to make you buy new hardware |
| 22:48.48 | abug | Windows Vista: Your desktop dancers are now 3d. |
| 22:48.53 | Industrial | IF != crash |
| 22:48.56 | Esamynn | Kirov: good one |
| 22:48.57 | Industrial | :p |
| 22:49.11 | Esamynn | Industrial: he didn't say they did |
| 22:49.28 | Corrodias | windows vista: just to make you give us money |
| 22:49.37 | Industrial | i remember someone making a comment about finding something like that in the leaked 2000 code |
| 22:49.38 | Esamynn | although they aren't infinate so much as they count to REALLY HIGH numbers |
| 22:50.00 | cogwheel | TBH, vista is the first MS OS i'd be willing (not begrudgingly accepting of the need) to buy... |
| 22:50.05 | Industrial | and xp is just that + more crap, and vista is just xp with even more crap |
| 22:50.13 | Industrial | why cogwheel |
| 22:50.18 | Industrial | what has it got to offer |
| 22:50.20 | cogwheel | and i say that because i've been using it for the last couple days |
| 22:50.39 | cogwheel | lots of little things that make life easier |
| 22:50.47 | cogwheel | and it's pretty :) |
| 22:50.58 | Industrial | do you keep the 2000 look? |
| 22:51.03 | Industrial | can I turn off all visual crap? |
| 22:51.07 | cogwheel | integrated desktop search, no more "my"s all over the place, |
| 22:51.10 | Industrial | Thats how i like my windows |
| 22:51.18 | cogwheel | Industrial: you can do that if you insist |
| 22:51.32 | cogwheel | i used to be stubborn like that too ;) |
| 22:51.38 | tyroney|work | Rainy day theme, prairie wind background, plain ol' task bar on the right. |
| 22:51.38 | Industrial | :) |
| 22:51.50 | Industrial | tyroney|work: rainy day ftw |
| 22:52.00 | Corrodias | druid talents are out, eh? |
| 22:52.04 | Esamynn | yep |
| 22:52.16 | Esamynn | hurrah for Flight Form |
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| 22:52.55 | Industrial | http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6569/untitledze3.png |
| 22:52.56 | Industrial | :D |
| 22:53.24 | Tain | A horse is a horse of course of course. |
| 22:54.22 | Industrial | tyroney|work: see url :> |
| 22:55.50 | Corrodias | jesus shit, those are some nice feral talents |
| 22:57.37 | Corrodias | wait, they also rearranged some of the talents... nature's swiftness requires reflection now instead of improved healing touch |
| 22:57.55 | Esamynn | Corrodias: look at the balance stuff |
| 22:58.02 | Esamynn | Moonkin is oomkin no more |
| 22:58.09 | Corrodias | i never knew the balance tree very well to begin with |
| 22:58.20 | Esamynn | just 1, Dreamstate |
| 22:58.24 | Plorkyeran | not-quite-as-fast-oomkin |
| 22:59.03 | Esamynn | 4 talent points for an easy 40 mp5 |
| 22:59.08 | Esamynn | 3 points I mean |
| 22:59.23 | Corrodias | d00d. |
| 23:00.23 | Corrodias | and a... "tree of restoration" form? >_> |
| 23:00.24 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, just a small suggestion, do not, I repeat, do not install any game with Starforce on Vista. It makes Vista a very unhappy puppy |
| 23:00.37 | cogwheel | what's starforce? |
| 23:00.44 | Esamynn | Corrodias: yep |
| 23:00.45 | Kirkburn | Evil personified :P |
| 23:00.45 | Corrodias | my advice would be to not install vista and also to not install starforce |
| 23:00.53 | Plorkyeran | I'd extend that to just not installing any games with starforce, regardless of OS |
| 23:01.19 | Kirkburn | StarForce is a anti-piracy tool that installs low-level drivers that can cause major problems |
| 23:01.31 | Corrodias | Plorkyeran: way ahead of you |
| 23:02.16 | Kirov | Surprised Vista lets StarForce install itself to begin with |
| 23:03.00 | Kirkburn | Kirov, it doesn't, but there's a driver update for Vista. I just tried it cause I want to play Trackmania Sunrise, but it didn't help |
| 23:05.54 | Kirkburn | Aaaaaah, I got stuck in a mad "consent to this program" loop |
| 23:06.06 | Kirkburn | The windows just kepy multiplying!! |
| 23:06.10 | Esamynn | Kirkburn: lol |
| 23:06.22 | Kirkburn | I had to race it to restart the machine before another cut in |
| 23:06.29 | zenzelezz | they want to be REALLY sure you consent |
| 23:06.37 | Kirkburn | 30 times? |
| 23:06.45 | zenzelezz | "Don't tell us we didn't warn you" |
| 23:07.10 | Kirkburn | I checked the task manager, it started off with 10 consent.exes. By the time I clicked restart and had closed 30, there were at least 40 consent.exes! |
| 23:07.26 | Kirkburn | It's like every time I closed one, two took their place |
| 23:07.43 | Kirkburn | And now I'm sitting watching the shutdown screen ... again. |
| 23:08.03 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:09.11 | Kirkburn | Evilling beautiful, it is |
| 23:09.15 | Kirkburn | *evilly |
| 23:09.16 | Tain | I swore off Vista for a while. Possibly a long while. Too many little things that bugged me that I had to change the behavoir of. |
| 23:09.26 | Kirkburn | like? |
| 23:09.56 | Tain | The Start - Run box being a search by default. Others may like it, it slowed me way the hell down. |
| 23:10.54 | Plorkyeran | eww |
| 23:11.33 | cogwheel | Someone who starts using Vista without much computer expierience will become more proficient at using Vista than someone who comes from an older OS... You really have to unlearn old habits in order to become effective (and the effectiveness does become greater) |
| 23:11.34 | Kirkburn | "shut down for christ's sake! Just shut down! SHUT DOWN! rawr!" <-- me |
| 23:11.49 | Tain | And although I am a big fan in theory of the UAC, it needs to be easier to disable or adjust. They made big improvements in this in the last release from earlier ones that you had to accept for every click. |
| 23:12.08 | cogwheel | I currently use the Dvorak keyboard layout. Was it tough to get used to? Yes. Am I better off because I took the time to get used to it? Yes. |
| 23:12.45 | Tain | That's fine for individuals who want to do that, but grandma doesn't need Dvorak or extra difficulty in using Vista. |
| 23:12.53 | cogwheel | finding things in XP and earlier has always been tough, and i think the search box is an incredible improvement |
| 23:13.13 | Tain | Search *can* be a good thing. It can also be a bad thing. |
| 23:14.10 | Tain | That was a pain in the ass supporting Windows when someone would click a shortcut and have it start searching for some other program to assign itself to. |
| 23:14.59 | cladhaire | oh god that was horrible. |
| 23:15.10 | cladhaire | "none of my shortcuts work".. well did you screw with them "no"!!! |
| 23:15.21 | cladhaire | i just found them again, cause they were lost |
| 23:15.22 | Plorkyeran | it'd have been a nice feature if it worked |
| 23:15.23 | cladhaire | and they dont work |
| 23:17.14 | cogwheel | It'd been an even nicer feature if they were implemented in the file system itself... |
| 23:18.54 | Plorkyeran | yeah, that'd be one of the ways they could have made it actually work |
| 23:19.18 | Tain | Well they abandoned the whole file system as a database for now. |
| 23:19.30 | jaxdahl | cogwheel |
| 23:19.34 | jaxdahl | by any chance do you use vim? |
| 23:19.39 | cogwheel | nope |
| 23:19.56 | jaxdahl | i can't imagine how that'd work with using it AND trying to use dvorak |
| 23:21.55 | cogwheel | i never did care for any of the unix text editors (except maybe pico) |
| 23:22.06 | Iriel | emacs! |
| 23:22.36 | Tain | I always sigh at kids today with their petty little flame wars. They never witnessed a good vi vs. emacs battle. |
| 23:22.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:22.54 | kergoth | vim ftw! |
| 23:22.54 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:23.07 | kergoth | vi sucks too, gotta have vim |
| 23:23.16 | Tain | Now now, emacs is a great OS. It just needs a good editor. |
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| 23:23.25 | Esamynn | haha |
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| 23:26.27 | Shadowed | "Error retrieving character list" |
| 23:26.46 | Shadowed | thats a new one |
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