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| 00:13.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:13.59 | Cairenn | http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=35344 |
| 00:18.14 | Kirkburn|Vista | Oooh, my housemate's guild had a good night, got Kazzak, Lethon, Emeriss, Onyxia and Skeram (1st kill) down in one night |
| 00:18.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | (they should be getting frequent flier miles :P ) |
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| 00:32.41 | Industrial | Hmm I have some code: |
| 00:32.42 | Industrial | cf=ChatFrame1 cf:ClearAllPoints() cf:SetPoint('LEFT', UIParent, 'LEFT') cf:SetPoint('TOPRIGHT', idInterfaceButtonsMainBar, 'TOPLEFT') cf:SetPoint('BOTTOMRIGHT', idInterfaceButtonsMainBar, 'BOTTOMLEFT') |
| 00:32.53 | Industrial | When I do that ingame with /script it works fine |
| 00:32.59 | Industrial | but not when I put it in my addon |
| 00:33.12 | Industrial | idInterfaceButtonsMainbar is present at that time |
| 00:33.23 | Industrial | Any idea Why? |
| 00:33.34 | Industrial | s/w/w/ |
| 00:33.41 | Industrial | :< |
| 00:34.13 | Mikk | At which time are you doing it in your addon? |
| 00:34.19 | Industrial | load |
| 00:34.47 | Industrial | they are just some files with settings and tweaks |
| 00:34.49 | nevcairiel | maybe the ChatFrame1 position is set later ? |
| 00:34.54 | nevcairiel | from the ui that is |
| 00:34.57 | Industrial | hm |
| 00:35.19 | nevcairiel | i had that with setting my buff position, moved it to a scheduled event which happens later and it worked |
| 00:35.55 | Industrial | wasnt there an event for when the interface is completely done loading? |
| 00:36.19 | nevcairiel | AceEvent_FullyInitialized ? =P, dunno is there a API event as well? |
| 00:37.10 | Mikk | You're inside it |
| 00:39.04 | Industrial | VARIABLES_LOADED? but its probably after that even |
| 00:39.48 | nevcairiel | hook the chatframe setpoint and override the position there :) |
| 00:40.10 | Mikk | The kicker is that everything wants to move the chatframes :< |
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| 00:40.27 | Industrial | everything? like what |
| 00:40.43 | Industrial | I dont touch 'simple chat' settings or whatever |
| 00:42.03 | Industrial | and I doubt i can hook setpoint and do setpoints :P |
| 00:42.15 | nevcairiel | sure you can |
| 00:42.22 | Industrial | infinite loop? |
| 00:42.30 | nevcairiel | save the orig function of course and call that in your hook |
| 00:42.31 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:42.43 | Industrial | hm |
| 00:43.01 | Industrial | oh right :P |
| 00:43.29 | nevcairiel | yeah i know its nearly 3am :p |
| 00:44.58 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 00:45.24 | Kirkburn|Vista | Woop, added the internal search link to the wowwiki sidebar :) You no longer need fear the Google search! |
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| 00:46.24 | nevcairiel | it wasnt that bad, only a bit in-accurate sometimes |
| 00:52.04 | Kirkburn|Vista | Fair enough - not so good for new articles though :P The google search is still there |
| 00:55.26 | hugo | where is the search ? |
| 00:55.46 | hugo | i tried the search for some addons, didn't found any ;o |
| 00:56.14 | hugo | No such special page |
| 00:57.01 | Gryphen | reason for google search was load initially |
| 00:57.06 | Gryphen | that change? |
| 00:57.35 | hugo | i dont get the search at all |
| 00:57.42 | hugo | it doesnt find anything at all |
| 00:58.11 | Gryphen | working here |
| 00:58.20 | hugo | i tried diff words - ace,unit,frames,gotwood,bigwings and so on |
| 00:58.30 | hugo | always get No such special page result |
| 00:59.23 | hugo | tell me some word for search that works for you |
| 00:59.44 | Gryphen | bigwigs works |
| 01:00.05 | Gryphen | unit works |
| 01:00.11 | hugo | not for me |
| 01:00.16 | hugo | weird |
| 01:00.23 | Kirkburn|Vista | very |
| 01:00.26 | Kirkburn|Vista | Fine for me too :) |
| 01:00.30 | hugo | are you takling about http://wowace.com ?;] |
| 01:00.44 | Gryphen | er |
| 01:00.46 | Gryphen | no |
| 01:00.48 | Kirkburn|Vista | lol |
| 01:00.50 | Gryphen | lol |
| 01:00.51 | hugo | oh lol |
| 01:00.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | wowwiki.com :) |
| 01:00.55 | hugo | :P |
| 01:00.56 | Gryphen | THE wiki |
| 01:01.07 | Kirkburn|Vista | \o/ |
| 01:01.10 | hugo | ;d |
| 01:01.13 | hugo | anyway |
| 01:01.15 | Kaelten | we have a wiki too ;p |
| 01:01.18 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 01:01.21 | hugo | :D |
| 01:01.26 | hugo | ahh i know this was |
| 01:01.35 | hugo | was good in wow starting times to gather info |
| 01:02.07 | hugo | im a normal player and |
| 01:02.18 | hugo | theres like 999999999 info in wiki, and i have problem finding it |
| 01:02.27 | hugo | get lost easy :D |
| 01:02.31 | Kirkburn|Vista | I've stuck the word new next to it now, to help people notice it :P |
| 01:02.57 | hugo | but wowiki has good info pages |
| 01:03.00 | hugo | the cats |
| 01:03.03 | Cairenn | okay guys, here you go |
| 01:03.05 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=31207#post31207 |
| 01:03.08 | hugo | on wowace.com i get lost easy ;x |
| 01:03.53 | Kirkburn|Vista | The cats?? Miaow! |
| 01:04.04 | End | meow! |
| 01:04.08 | End | wait, what? |
| 01:04.22 | nevcairiel | so its real. |
| 01:04.38 | nevcairiel | but not as bad as rumored |
| 01:04.41 | hugo | so.. what is this channel for? :D i tought it's wowace channel too :D |
| 01:05.30 | Gryphen | all interface discussion |
| 01:05.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | Everyone's welcome :) |
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| 01:07.49 | hugo | :) |
| 01:07.59 | hugo | even me? i can't script |
| 01:08.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | So, have we all stocked up on cans of food by now? |
| 01:08.24 | Kirkburn|Vista | I've been preparing the bunker, but I've probably forgotten something as ever |
| 01:09.03 | Kirkburn|Vista | It's only a 4 seater, so you'll have to flatter and buy me stuff for entry ;) |
| 01:09.55 | Kirkburn|Vista | I could probablty squeeze in 5 if two of you share a hammock, but the oxygen may run out before the expansion is released :/ |
| 01:10.03 | hugo | ;o |
| 01:10.16 | hugo | anyway, may i ask you some weird question |
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| 01:10.32 | Kirkburn|Vista | (of course, it's an internet-enabled bunker) |
| 01:11.39 | hugo | im not programmer. all i know is script in the mirc windows irc client :D and im in good eu guild, many times i wanted/needed make some addon, so i would like to "try" learn make addons.. is there some good start guide for someone who can't script and aint programmer, as i said all i know is the scripting in mirc :-O |
| 01:12.11 | Kirkburn|Vista | Allow me to be predictable =) http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization |
| 01:12.21 | Kirkburn|Vista | Specifically ... http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Beginners_Guide |
| 01:13.33 | hugo | so many link in the first one ... i try the b guide ;o |
| 01:14.46 | Cairenn | full details are now on the changes thread |
| 01:14.46 | hugo | you know, mirc script i best learned from examples |
| 01:14.46 | Cairenn | and copied over to wowi |
| 01:14.47 | hugo | best way for me at all, are there some good examples anywhere ? |
| 01:14.47 | Gryphen | look at existing addons |
| 01:15.45 | hugo | they too big |
| 01:15.57 | hugo | i mean like examples, small addons with one functionality |
| 01:16.22 | Kaso | can we use hooksecurefunc on "Jump" and other currently protected functions i wonder? |
| 01:19.05 | Kaso | well, then, that sure makes for interesting reading |
| 01:20.16 | Cairenn | if you want it as one nice big lump sum, read it as the post on WoWI |
| 01:20.33 | Cairenn | then you aren't having to go through multiple posts on the "official" forum |
| 01:21.56 | Kaso | yah, i have, i wonder why Slouken posted it like that |
| 01:22.10 | Cairenn | character limit |
| 01:22.30 | Kaso | what's the limit on the wow forums? |
| 01:22.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | flippin' heck slouken's ona posting spree |
| 01:23.31 | Kirkburn|Vista | Bet he's been looking forward to today :/ |
| 01:25.06 | Kaso | So, we can't use metatables to globally hook frame functions anymore -_- |
| 01:26.59 | hugo | Hi there, this notification is meant to inform you of some significant changes regarding the way we're handling UI addons. Over the last few years, we've seen a number of awesome, gameplay-enhancing UI mods along with a fair number of UI mods that run counter to our philosophies regarding what addons should and shouldn't be able to do. |
| 01:26.59 | hugo | Essentially, we don't want UI mods to make combat-sensitive decisions for players and as such, we've made some changes that block functionality that we feel is counter to the spirit of these philosophies. As such, addons and macros will no longer be capable of casting spells or targeting units. |
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| 01:27.27 | Kirkburn|Vista | Don't spam it here hugo :) |
| 01:27.30 | hugo | oops sorry if there was some spam, my clipboard was somehow bugged |
| 01:27.35 | Kirkburn|Vista | :P |
| 01:27.42 | hugo | didn't wanted to :( |
| 01:27.56 | Rallion | so...that looks like it's going to affect a lot. |
| 01:27.56 | hugo | i tried disconnect when i seen it, but prolly too late. |
| 01:28.02 | Rallion | a lot of the stuff I use. |
| 01:28.33 | Kaso | ive only got 100MB of hard disk space left, how did that happen ! |
| 01:28.34 | hugo | i wanted paste this on my guild forums not here.. ;o |
| 01:28.49 | Kirkburn|Vista | hehe |
| 01:28.55 | Rallion | ooh oooh ooh |
| 01:28.56 | Kirkburn|Vista | Kaso, ony your windows drive? |
| 01:29.02 | Rallion | what's that about auto-looting? |
| 01:29.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | *on |
| 01:29.12 | Rallion | no more shift-click, or what? |
| 01:29.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | well, SetAutoLootToggleKey("SHIFT" or "CTRL" or "ALT") begs to differ |
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| 01:30.01 | tyroney | Wow. |
| 01:30.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | Rallion, I don't think it's effectively any different to before |
| 01:30.19 | Legorol | Rallion: it seems like you can change the button to use for auto-looting |
| 01:30.23 | Rallion | then what cou;d 'SetAutoLootDefault(state)' be? |
| 01:30.31 | Legorol | so instead of shift+click, it'd be ctrl+click |
| 01:30.51 | End | hmm |
| 01:30.58 | hugo | is here someone who understand how to modify ag_unitframes please, seems they're pretty busy on wowaxe channel ;d |
| 01:31.06 | End | so, it looks like blizz's new system will work well enough |
| 01:31.10 | Kaso | i read it as, you can toggle it on with a key, and itll autoloot till you toggle it off. |
| 01:31.13 | End | if I understand it well enough |
| 01:31.33 | Kaso | "modify"? |
| 01:31.35 | tyroney | Which means once I replace my keyboard, it'll last a little longer. |
| 01:31.44 | Rallion | hehehe |
| 01:31.44 | Kirkburn|Vista | hugo, depends on what you want to do |
| 01:32.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | Kaso, could be, could be. Rather useful if true |
| 01:32.15 | Rallion | i just replaced my keyboard...because I apparently lake the skill to handle a glass of water. |
| 01:32.21 | Rallion | *lack |
| 01:32.33 | hugo | Kaso well, i dont like to have all the numbers on screen, tho i like the smarthp to show hp missing, but sometime i want to know his max hp and mana right, so i would like to see max hp and mana when i hover mouse over the frame |
| 01:37.19 | Kirkburn|Vista | (*sigh* the predictableness of the forum posters defies even irrational thought) |
| 01:38.45 | Legorol | Kirkburn|Vista: what post? |
| 01:39.02 | Cairenn | pick one |
| 01:39.26 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32154107&sid=1 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32334342&sid=1 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32334339&sid=1 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32204318&sid=1 |
| 01:39.33 | Cairenn | there's four to get you started |
| 01:40.18 | Kirkburn|Vista | Quick, set up a wiki page with various irreverent and deprecating answers :) |
| 01:40.20 | ckknight | I'm personally happy with Blizzard's changes. |
| 01:40.32 | End | I can't say I'm -happy- |
| 01:40.37 | End | but I think they'll do fine |
| 01:40.40 | ckknight | or at least content. |
| 01:40.42 | tyroney | I'm excited. |
| 01:40.58 | hugo | well |
| 01:40.59 | ckknight | now if only they banned the Chinese, think of the possibilities! |
| 01:41.00 | End | I don't think you'll be able to do something clique-esque |
| 01:41.04 | tyroney | More learning, something to force me to rething some things, etc. |
| 01:41.09 | ckknight | End, yes you can |
| 01:41.11 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:41.14 | Kirkburn|Vista | A bit of a 'new lease of life', you might say - people trying all sorts of new ideas |
| 01:41.19 | End | ok, I didn't see at least :P |
| 01:41.28 | ckknight | has to deal with the secure buttons |
| 01:41.28 | hugo | our guild killed loatheb first time yestarday AND it would be impossible (aslmost) without addon ;d |
| 01:41.30 | End | I know a lot of my concerns were addressed |
| 01:41.33 | ckknight | and the attributes on the buttons |
| 01:41.35 | End | yeah, I know about the secure buttons |
| 01:41.41 | End | hmm |
| 01:41.43 | ckknight | you can set the alt-cast |
| 01:41.44 | Kirkburn|Vista | hugo, that would be because you're used to them :P |
| 01:41.45 | End | oh |
| 01:41.47 | End | well |
| 01:41.51 | End | then that's good |
| 01:41.53 | hugo | so if blizzard want disable decursive, it will get even worse |
| 01:42.16 | Kaso | I vote we change the Channel topic to; "The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!" |
| 01:42.18 | Kaso | :> |
| 01:42.23 | hugo | no, that's because blizzard know of these addons, and the events are harder because of it |
| 01:42.28 | Gryphen | Sky alread fell |
| 01:42.29 | ckknight | wowace's topic refers to chicken little. |
| 01:42.31 | Gryphen | oop |
| 01:42.34 | hugo | and it will be impossible for new players if the addons stop work |
| 01:42.35 | Gryphen | :) |
| 01:42.37 | ckknight | yea, down with Sky! |
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| 01:42.44 | Kirkburn|Vista | Gryphen, zing! :P |
| 01:42.47 | Tain | There's no doubt that some encounters were designed around Decursive and the like. |
| 01:43.02 | Iriel | hugo: Blizzard have said on numerous occasions thay balance internally without any addons, and they ensure all encounters can be completed without them. |
| 01:43.06 | ckknight | Bliz designs encounters without addons |
| 01:43.06 | Kirkburn|Vista | I doubt it, Tain |
| 01:43.08 | Iriel | they could I suppose by lying |
| 01:43.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | Testers do not use addons in testing |
| 01:43.15 | Iriel | but that wouldn't make much sense |
| 01:43.22 | Mikk | How about allowing targetting and spell casting out of raids? |
| 01:43.24 | Mikk | err |
| 01:43.24 | End | I'd say some encounters are stupidly designed though ;p |
| 01:43.27 | Mikk | out of combat |
| 01:43.30 | hugo | you have a boss that allow you to cast heal only 1x per minute, and if someone fail, disconnect, or forget heal, the warrior dies |
| 01:43.41 | Tain | Yes they do use addons. They don't always use addons, but they do test with a lot of commonly used addons. |
| 01:43.45 | hugo | but addon shows you all status bout all healers ;] |
| 01:43.45 | Kirkburn|Vista | (AL knows first-hand) |
| 01:43.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | Tain, how do you know that? |
| 01:44.06 | hugo | Iriel do you believe it ;> |
| 01:44.09 | Iriel | Tain: That is directly counter to what they said at Blizzcon |
| 01:44.45 | Kaso | when i look at what happened with C'thu back in the day, i wonder if they test encounters internally at all |
| 01:44.46 | Tain | Well, I'm not going to argue with public statements because that would be silly of me. |
| 01:45.01 | hugo | i want see like, Plaguebringer, where is 10sec to remove curse from 20persons, to do manually in middle of fight |
| 01:45.19 | End | decurse fights are retarded |
| 01:45.49 | End | (imo) |
| 01:45.56 | Tain | So until Blizzard says something differently, I guess there's no reason to state otherwise. (Even if it's secretly true.) |
| 01:46.30 | Kirkburn|Vista | I see that conversation going nowhere fun |
| 01:46.42 | hugo | :) |
| 01:46.44 | Kirkburn|Vista | hugo, I guess it requires more organising |
| 01:46.58 | hugo | well it's just one player opinion that raid naxxramas each day! |
| 01:46.59 | Mikk | Having said that, manual decursing is entirely possible. |
| 01:47.10 | Kirkburn|Vista | Assigning decursers to groups of players |
| 01:47.22 | Kirkburn|Vista | Rather than saying "decurse the entire raid!" |
| 01:47.30 | hugo | and i say if the want to stop addons, they must change they wau they are makin instances "harder" |
| 01:47.37 | hugo | harder = more addons to use to kill |
| 01:47.41 | hugo | the way it is now. |
| 01:47.46 | Kirkburn|Vista | What's to say they aren't changing it |
| 01:47.51 | hugo | and more consumables of course :) |
| 01:48.05 | Kirkburn|Vista | It's already being tested with these changes |
| 01:48.09 | Mikk | pff. everything that's new is hard. |
| 01:48.11 | ckknight | they are changing the instances |
| 01:48.16 | ckknight | the new ones, at least |
| 01:48.32 | ckknight | remember the whole scalable thing, and the 25-man thing |
| 01:48.33 | Mikk | I mean.. how much consumables did you blow on MC back then? Lots. |
| 01:48.38 | Mikk | Now? None. |
| 01:48.44 | Kirkburn|Vista | Indeed, they're testing it without addons as they aren't fully compatible ones yet |
| 01:49.00 | hugo | Mikk, yes cause we go in MC in tier3 armor and weapons |
| 01:49.02 | Tain | Nah well I didn't blow consumables when first trying MC, but mainly because we didn't even know consumables helped that much. Seriously. |
| 01:49.13 | Mikk | Heh :-P |
| 01:49.27 | hugo | different then with blue legs and 4k mana right |
| 01:49.30 | Tain | This was back when people were still learning MC though and I don't think anyone had cleared it yet game-wide. |
| 01:49.56 | Tain | Oh, plus I was doing it as Horde. |
| 01:50.03 | Mikk | hugo: My point is, the newest instance will always be hard. |
| 01:50.09 | hugo | well on loatheb the raid needs to use consumables and pots worth alot gold to kill him |
| 01:50.11 | Mikk | Until you gear up, and until you learn. |
| 01:50.21 | Tain | Yeah but there's different types of hard. |
| 01:50.42 | Tain | For example there's Razorgore hard which is, in my opnion, the wrong way to do things. Gimmicks and tricks. |
| 01:50.49 | hugo | Mikk that is right point |
| 01:50.56 | hugo | news are always harder |
| 01:50.58 | End | I hate razorgore, I always die :( |
| 01:51.00 | Mikk | Razorgore? I love that fight :-) |
| 01:51.02 | End | or everyone else dies |
| 01:51.03 | Kirkburn|Vista | Seriously, where are some people's brains? "Does this mean custom unit frames are dead?" graaaaaaa! |
| 01:51.05 | End | and then I die |
| 01:51.06 | End | :P |
| 01:51.20 | hugo | Mikk but look back in time, and you can see, new instance = more addons neeeded to kill the boss |
| 01:51.22 | hugo | am i right ? |
| 01:51.38 | Mikk | New boss alerts but that's about it, really |
| 01:51.48 | Mikk | (In _my_ experience) |
| 01:51.55 | hugo | that's not true |
| 01:52.08 | hugo | basically in mc the boss do 1-2 special |
| 01:52.27 | hugo | in naxx he have lots, and you run there and back, then you go to bus, and then fly back in a chopper |
| 01:52.34 | End | lol |
| 01:52.45 | hugo | so you need alot of info to show up in addon |
| 01:52.52 | hugo | not just "shoot tranq arrow now!" |
| 01:52.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | Is it a chopper with only one blade? |
| 01:52.54 | Mikk | When we started out doing MC, people learned to load up CTRA and Decursive. I don't think people were using anything other than that by the time we were clearing out BWL. |
| 01:52.59 | hugo | :) |
| 01:53.08 | Mikk | Yeah, boss alerts. |
| 01:53.11 | Tain | It is funny though, Vael is one of my favorite fights and I know people hate it. |
| 01:53.27 | End | vael is easy for us compared to razorgore |
| 01:53.43 | Mikk | Razorgore takes skill from everyone in a way that very few fights do. |
| 01:53.46 | Tain | He is for a lot of people once you gear up. |
| 01:53.51 | hugo | ok we clear BWL in 3hours |
| 01:54.02 | hugo | but we can waste 3hours killing thaddius |
| 01:54.05 | Mikk | That's why I like the Razorgore fight |
| 01:54.17 | End | well, here's what I used to do for razorgore: I heal someone, pull twenty mobs, and then die |
| 01:54.20 | Tain | Nah, Razorgore doesn't take skill. That's the thing. |
| 01:54.26 | End | I just don't heal for that fight now |
| 01:54.30 | End | spare a few rank 4 rejuvs |
| 01:54.34 | hugo | Gluth is more fun then razorgore ;] |
| 01:54.36 | Tain | It takes a bunch of monkeys not being stupid. |
| 01:54.39 | Tain | But that's not skill. |
| 01:54.47 | hugo | begin a shaman at gluth is fun |
| 01:55.02 | hugo | do you know what i do, i jump down to his room, put down earthbind totem and go afk |
| 01:55.06 | hugo | then i bid on loot |
| 01:55.10 | hugo | ... |
| 01:55.17 | tyroney | I can't say I've been through much end-game, but I think this is all vaguely related to the gameshark phenomenon. Instead of getting proficient with a game, people fire up gamefaqs, or install another mod. I can only assume that the people whose game will be utterly ruined by this are the type who use at most 4-5 abilities the whole time. I have every spell and party member hotkeyed in... |
| 01:55.19 | tyroney | ...some way or another, (and then some,) and I use most of them. |
| 01:55.37 | Mikk | Yup =) |
| 01:55.59 | Mikk | Granted, you're reduced two mashing two or three buttons in raids but ... yeah. |
| 01:56.31 | hugo | ok i have 72icons that are bind on keyboard, i control them all |
| 01:56.36 | hugo | and 12bars i click on with mouse |
| 01:56.44 | hugo | +like 8addons i need to use |
| 01:56.50 | hugo | to be in raid |
| 01:56.56 | hugo | and a microphone of course |
| 01:57.04 | hugo | sometime im askin, is this still a game ? |
| 01:57.08 | hugo | :) |
| 01:57.15 | Mikk | Funny. All I need is .... WoW. |
| 01:57.20 | hugo | 12bars = 12icons* |
| 01:57.38 | Mikk | At least since they put in built-in raid bars and working key bindings. |
| 01:57.40 | hugo | "good old times" ;] |
| 01:58.16 | hugo | you believe you can go in naxxramas without a bossmod or threatmeter ? |
| 01:58.19 | Mikk | Ok, I take that back. At least one person in the raid needs a boss warning monitor >.< |
| 01:58.25 | hugo | no you can't |
| 01:58.31 | tyroney | As long as i can toggle action bar on keydown, I'll be happy. |
| 01:58.46 | Tain | I just stopped playing again because my guild was getting too insane with mandatory raiding. Was fine until AQ40 as people started looking ahead to doing Naxx |
| 01:58.51 | hugo | no way Mikk |
| 01:59.02 | hugo | look at easy example, you must use threat metter |
| 01:59.10 | hugo | you do too much damage, you aggro, you out |
| 01:59.14 | hugo | you do too low damage, you out |
| 01:59.19 | hugo | :O |
| 01:59.20 | Mikk | There's another way to do that |
| 01:59.25 | Kirkburn|Vista | You work out how to play, you're in |
| 01:59.26 | Mikk | Use a damage meter and your head. |
| 01:59.39 | hugo | what? |
| 01:59.40 | Tain | In your head, in your head |
| 01:59.47 | hugo | isn't damage meter addon |
| 01:59.53 | Mikk | Aye |
| 02:00.00 | hugo | i dont care if its threat metter or damage metter, its both addons |
| 02:00.01 | Mikk | Ok, you got me there. Need a damage meter. |
| 02:00.02 | hugo | thats the matter |
| 02:00.03 | *** part/#wowi-lounge jaxdahl (i=Ov@cpe-70-113-55-44.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 02:00.23 | Cairenn | btw, if you guys want a somewhat less hysterical place to discuss the changes: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6448 |
| 02:00.25 | hugo | as Iriel said |
| 02:00.41 | hugo | bliz makin boss kills test with common addons |
| 02:00.50 | hugo | that's it. |
| 02:00.51 | Kirkburn|Vista | er, no |
| 02:00.54 | Kirkburn|Vista | He didn't say that |
| 02:01.00 | Tain | Hysteria is all part of the fun! |
| 02:01.02 | hugo | but its true |
| 02:01.06 | Iriel | I said they test with the standard UI. period. |
| 02:01.35 | Kirkburn|Vista | We even had someone who worked there tell us so |
| 02:01.38 | hugo | whole blizzard couldnt kill half of naxxramas without addons |
| 02:01.38 | Tain | The party line is all encounters are tested with no addons at all. |
| 02:02.00 | Kirkburn|Vista | hugo, now you're into the area of conspiracy theories and making stuff up |
| 02:02.22 | hugo | ok i get cigarette and relax :P |
| 02:02.32 | ckknight | it'll kill you, hugo |
| 02:02.39 | Kirkburn|Vista | Relaxing? :P |
| 02:02.51 | hugo | i know ckknight it's writen on top of it |
| 02:03.04 | hugo | cant stop |
| 02:03.07 | End | they've mentioned at one point testing with addons, but I think it was to test performance |
| 02:03.31 | hugo | i prefer the old days games |
| 02:03.32 | End | although |
| 02:03.38 | hugo | encounters without addons |
| 02:03.40 | hugo | more fun |
| 02:03.52 | hugo | just UI addons |
| 02:04.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | I'm sure employees individually use addons and for stress testing, but not for encounter testing, most likely. |
| 02:04.28 | End | well, I suspect even in the encounter they've tested them, but it isn't normally done |
| 02:04.37 | End | it's like an afterthought |
| 02:04.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | (grammar failure I be) |
| 02:05.06 | End | and this testing may have been in response to a bug report submitted by a player |
| 02:05.32 | hugo | btw can i see the xml file layout in some program or only in game? |
| 02:05.47 | Kirkburn|Vista | wdn.wowwinterface.com hosts the UI files |
| 02:05.58 | Kirkburn|Vista | (and shows them) |
| 02:06.03 | hugo | i would really like to customize ag_unitframes but im noob? at this |
| 02:06.28 | Kirkburn|Vista | er, wrong address |
| 02:06.46 | Kirkburn|Vista | http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 02:06.46 | hugo | the file tries to open in firefox :-O |
| 02:07.35 | hugo | now im confused Kirkburn|Vista what is this all about ? |
| 02:08.02 | hugo | i mean like: ag_FrameTemplate.xml |
| 02:08.21 | Kirkburn|Vista | Use wordpad |
| 02:08.34 | Legorol | files with .xml extension are plain text files, any text editor can be used to open them |
| 02:08.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | Legorol beat me :P |
| 02:08.55 | Legorol | on your computer they are set to open in firefox, which just shows its plain contents |
| 02:08.55 | hugo | yes |
| 02:09.01 | Legorol | but you can use notepad, wordpad, whatever |
| 02:09.09 | hugo | but i tought they are some gfx interface ? |
| 02:09.13 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:09.16 | hugo | so there's no way too see the layout |
| 02:09.24 | Legorol | in AddOn world, two types of files are used: xml and lua |
| 02:09.24 | hugo | only plain text |
| 02:09.31 | tyroney | The xml describes the layout. Fire up the game if you want to see the results. |
| 02:09.33 | Legorol | XML describes the structure, Lua describes the functionality |
| 02:09.42 | hugo | yes |
| 02:09.45 | hugo | so only in game |
| 02:09.50 | Legorol | the text in the XML file *is* the layout, it's a description of it |
| 02:09.59 | hugo | i tought its like html |
| 02:10.00 | tyroney | Many of us go in game, and use lua to mess with the layout live, so that you can see what you're doing. |
| 02:10.03 | Legorol | it *is* like html |
| 02:10.05 | hugo | where code changes to grapgics |
| 02:10.10 | tyroney | And wow is like the browser. |
| 02:10.11 | Mikk | it DOES |
| 02:10.11 | Legorol | you can edit html files using notepad |
| 02:10.24 | Legorol | then when you open it in a browser, you suddenly see it all |
| 02:10.27 | Legorol | same with wow: |
| 02:10.33 | Legorol | edit xml with notepad, then in wow you see its effect |
| 02:10.38 | hugo | but there are programs i.e dreamweaver where you can see both, the code of html file and the layout |
| 02:10.49 | Legorol | ok, what you are after is a visual editor for the xml file |
| 02:10.55 | hugo | correct |
| 02:10.56 | Legorol | there is one program like that, called WoW Ui designer |
| 02:10.59 | hugo | im poor english sorry :D |
| 02:11.02 | Mikk | hugo, have you done any programming whatsoever earlier? |
| 02:11.23 | Mikk | and I don't mean HTML |
| 02:11.29 | Mikk | I mean... basic, C, pascal, java. .. |
| 02:11.32 | hugo | Mikk as i said earlier, only think ive done is scripts in mirc :D so im really a newbie. |
| 02:11.47 | hugo | ok i need WoW Ui designer :) |
| 02:12.10 | hugo | Mikk |
| 02:12.32 | hugo | im one of these "many" players who would like to learn script in lua and make addon, but its pretty hard to begin |
| 02:12.51 | hugo | like the wiki pages send you tons of information at onec, and im like "oh my god" |
| 02:12.55 | hugo | and give up |
| 02:13.03 | hugo | :| |
| 02:13.04 | Legorol | hugo: what you need is to learn what it means to write a computer program |
| 02:13.10 | Legorol | it's a skill independent of language |
| 02:13.25 | Kirkburn|Vista | Read through the wiki pages a few times, it should make sense eventually :) |
| 02:13.25 | hugo | i can write any script in mirc irc client |
| 02:13.27 | Legorol | analogy: you learn to *drive* a car, you don't go out to learn Toyota |
| 02:13.44 | End | well |
| 02:13.47 | Legorol | Kirkburn|Vista: that doesn't help if he has no experience in algorithmic thinking, flow control etc. |
| 02:13.51 | End | you do need to learn a stick shift though |
| 02:13.56 | End | if you've only done automatic |
| 02:14.08 | Legorol | but that's a skill |
| 02:14.13 | tyroney | a script is sort of like a basic macro. (/cast, /say, that stuff) |
| 02:14.14 | Legorol | you acquire the skill, then use it on any car |
| 02:14.38 | hugo | sorry but the wiki pages get me losts |
| 02:14.41 | End | there are differing details though |
| 02:14.52 | hugo | there is too much information and i dont know where to begin |
| 02:15.01 | Legorol | hugo: in addons, XML describes structure. it's a static thing that isn't executed. it's not a program, it's a description |
| 02:15.12 | Legorol | the Lua describes functionality, or script if you like |
| 02:15.17 | tyroney | I would suggest finding a basic idea, finding a mod that does something similar, then taking that mod, ripping it apart, and creating what you want. |
| 02:15.25 | Legorol | Lua code *is* executed, when it's appropriate |
| 02:16.04 | hugo | the most problematic part is the XML i think |
| 02:16.08 | Kirkburn|Vista | tyroney's idea should certainly help you - look at the code of some simple addons, see how they work and try fiddling with them |
| 02:16.24 | hugo | so in lua you call for some part in xml, and tell it when to show, where to show, what to do ? |
| 02:16.53 | tyroney | If you want something to show up on the screen, regardless of what it does, you have to make it. |
| 02:17.08 | hugo | yes, that sounds like a problem |
| 02:17.34 | hugo | in mirc |
| 02:17.47 | hugo | i look in the file how to script is coded |
| 02:17.51 | tyroney | With lua code, you can say |
| 02:17.52 | tyroney | CreateFrame("myframe",UIParent) |
| 02:17.54 | hugo | but in wow addons it has the xml file |
| 02:17.54 | tyroney | or you can make an xml file with |
| 02:17.55 | tyroney | <Frame name="myframe" /> |
| 02:17.57 | hugo | witch im lost |
| 02:18.48 | hugo | what about the wow ui designer |
| 02:18.54 | hugo | it can make the XML file for me ? |
| 02:19.43 | tyroney | Either way, you need a frame to hold a texture. Once you have it, you can use lua to |
| 02:19.44 | tyroney | myframe:CreateTexture("myframeTex") |
| 02:19.46 | tyroney | or you could add to the xml file |
| 02:19.48 | tyroney | <Frame name="myframe" > |
| 02:19.49 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.51 | tyroney | </Frame> |
| 02:20.41 | tyroney | Wow ui designer knows how to throw together xml files to give you some basic frames, buttons, and such. You could use it to "draw" the components, and it would make you an xml file... |
| 02:20.41 | hugo | well i would like to make my first addon |
| 02:20.54 | hugo | witch show a frame where is my name my health and mana number |
| 02:21.35 | hugo | i think that would help me understand the basic |
| 02:21.40 | tyroney | Once you have that xml file, certain objects will have built-in stuff. Buttons can automatically highlight when you mouseover. But you have to make some LUA code for the button to use when it's clicked. |
| 02:22.00 | tyroney | How about I go pastey something like that up? |
| 02:22.12 | hugo | that would be nice from you :) |
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| 02:23.34 | tyroney | I'll start with just a name, to get started |
| 02:24.10 | hugo | ok |
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| 02:28.07 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> TBC UI Changes http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6447 | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 02:35.34 | hugo | so Cairenn |
| 02:35.40 | Cairenn | so hugo |
| 02:35.53 | hugo | if i read it right, we will have to target selft or hold some button to selftcast in BC ? |
| 02:36.23 | hugo | or did i read it wrong as ussual :-O |
| 02:36.32 | End | there is already a auto selfcast option |
| 02:36.41 | Cairenn | what End said :) |
| 02:37.03 | hugo | so it will work like now? when no target, or enemy target i heal myselft, correct |
| 02:37.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | well there goes raid healing :/ |
| 02:37.15 | End | yeah |
| 02:37.18 | Cairenn | correct |
| 02:37.32 | hugo | ahh atleast, thanks you ;] |
| 02:37.47 | hugo | what's wrong with raid healing ? |
| 02:37.58 | hugo | well i always heal raid manually ,never used addons for that :> |
| 02:38.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | decursing too? |
| 02:38.33 | End | decursing != healing ;p |
| 02:38.37 | hugo | decursing is another story |
| 02:38.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, you can't do both at the same time |
| 02:38.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | so we're gonna be down healers so people can decurse |
| 02:38.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | fun fun fun |
| 02:39.00 | hugo | you cant even manually decurse in some encounters at all |
| 02:39.08 | hugo | they have to change the bosses |
| 02:39.21 | hugo | or set more duration on the curse |
| 02:39.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | they opened up a can of worms by changing that |
| 02:40.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't be too surprised if that gets overturned eventually |
| 02:40.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the more reason for me to stay feral :] |
| 02:40.37 | hugo | druid is the best healer |
| 02:40.46 | End | it -might- get reverted |
| 02:40.48 | hugo | not fastest, but best healing/mana ingame |
| 02:40.58 | End | I think blizzard is going to stick to their guns though |
| 02:41.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | paladins are much more efficient |
| 02:41.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | paladins can heal 2000 hp for... |
| 02:41.23 | End | I don't know anything about pally healing |
| 02:41.28 | Kirov | warlocks are the best healers, bar none |
| 02:41.29 | hugo | i aint alliance so can't argue with you, but druid in trier3 can do more effective healing done on boss then priest at all! |
| 02:41.39 | End | Kirov: true story! healthstones ftw! |
| 02:41.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | <hugo> i aint alliance so can't argue with you, but druid in trier3 can do more effective healing done on boss then priest at all! |
| 02:41.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | charts != survival |
| 02:41.59 | hugo | if you put a priest +1100heal vs +1100druid |
| 02:42.18 | hugo | thats why i told not fastest, thats priest |
| 02:42.22 | End | well, I'm a druid...and I wouldn't want to be without a priest |
| 02:42.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | regrowth is worthless in raids, as of now, and 3.5 sec is a looong time |
| 02:42.37 | hugo | anyway, i eat paladins alive! brb gonna check the tutorial tyroney did for me now :) |
| 02:42.43 | End | if you are healing without the shorter HT talent, then gg |
| 02:42.52 | Kirkburn | Woah, Vista RC2 has just become available :D I know what I'll be doing tomorrow :) |
| 02:43.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm feral, i didn't like how little resto boosted my healing for how much damage capability i gave up |
| 02:43.28 | [floyd] | Buying a new harddrive? |
| 02:44.13 | Kirkburn | Is there any way of sending a delayed message to someone for when they log back in? |
| 02:44.29 | Xuerian | Only thing I really miss from feral is shorter cast times. Lag + Full HT length = 70% overheal |
| 02:44.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | pallies can heal for 2000 for 580 mana, untalented, in semi-decent gear, in 2.5 sec |
| 02:44.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't care if i overheal, every now and then |
| 02:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got more than enough mana to support even the longest fights |
| 02:45.07 | Xuerian | I don't overheal every now and then |
| 02:45.12 | Kirkburn | (I'm talking about on IRC, btw) |
| 02:45.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh kirk, if this server has a memoserv, then yeah |
| 02:45.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know if it does |
| 02:45.50 | End | I was mostly feral for a while, but I still had NS |
| 02:45.54 | [floyd] | Kirkburn: I think freenode has a service for that. |
| 02:45.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it does |
| 02:46.07 | Cairenn | memo |
| 02:46.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | /memoserv nickname message |
| 02:46.16 | End | the most important talents aren't deep in the tree |
| 02:47.53 | Kirkburn | hmm, failing |
| 02:48.19 | Kirkburn | Says 'unknown command [cogwheel]' |
| 02:48.43 | End | try send nickname message |
| 02:48.50 | End | like |
| 02:48.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh yeah send |
| 02:48.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | forgot send |
| 02:49.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | /memoserv send kirkburn lololol |
| 02:49.01 | End | oops |
| 02:49.07 | End | I just sent cogwheel a memo |
| 02:49.12 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.32 | Kirkburn | Thanks guys :D |
| 02:49.38 | Kirkburn | (and gal!) |
| 02:49.44 | End | forgot to escape it |
| 02:53.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | sigh |
| 02:54.01 | End | no |
| 02:54.02 | End | le sigh |
| 02:54.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate pugs |
| 02:54.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 02:57.22 | Kirkburn | Funky, the BBC One logo is changing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bbc_one_2006.jpg (yes, I'm british, what do you expect) |
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| 02:59.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | sigh, i'm no longer looking forward to bc |
| 03:00.13 | Iriel | Why's that? |
| 03:01.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard breaking any and all addons that made healing palatable to me |
| 03:01.45 | Cairenn | who says they are? |
| 03:01.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard |
| 03:02.06 | Kirkburn | They're breaking and mostly fixing them at the same time |
| 03:02.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32184244&sid=1 |
| 03:03.23 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies2: have you read the rest of the info? or are you seriously going to act like the rest of the hysterical mob and freak out based on partial information? |
| 03:03.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they'd stop giving partial information, i'd stop freaking out over it :] |
| 03:03.55 | Kirkburn | Read the 2.0.0 changes thread then! :P |
| 03:04.06 | Cairenn | read the thread I've got linked in the forum topic |
| 03:04.10 | Cairenn | it's the full meal deal |
| 03:04.15 | Cairenn | that partial ... plus all the rest |
| 03:04.26 | Gryphen | http://tinyurl.com/j5trf |
| 03:04.35 | Cairenn | they did give the entire info |
| 03:04.43 | Cairenn | thanks Gryphen |
| 03:05.18 | Cairenn | they are changing stuff |
| 03:05.24 | Cairenn | it doesn't mean the sky is falling |
| 03:06.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | from what i gather, they're letting certain addons use the stuff they broke |
| 03:06.10 | zenzelezz | I'm a little confused, are they saying you can't do targetting from addons anymore? That would make assisting people in raids interesting |
| 03:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but only the ones they deem appropriate |
| 03:06.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | or macros, zenz |
| 03:06.45 | zenzelezz | didn't ask about macros :) |
| 03:07.16 | hugo | hey guys |
| 03:07.17 | zenzelezz | I see enough mis-targetting even with CTRA's MT list and whatnot, will be fun if that doesn't work anymore |
| 03:07.23 | hugo | im just checkin some testaddon file |
| 03:07.38 | hugo | and im worry about the SetText and $parentText |
| 03:07.47 | hugo | one frame can have only one $parentTest set ? |
| 03:07.57 | hugo | or how do i add more test to frame |
| 03:08.01 | hugo | text* |
| 03:08.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | we'll see what happens when these changes hit live |
| 03:08.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but from what i've seen, i'm holding off on buying bc until i see what exactly the changes entail |
| 03:08.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead of preordering it like i was planning now |
| 03:09.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had the utmost confidence in bc improving wow from most every point, but not anymore :/ |
| 03:10.16 | [floyd] | Are the collector's editions limited? |
| 03:10.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 03:10.51 | hugo | Mr_Rabies what did you just said im bit confused, you mean main tank targets in ctra will stop work or ? |
| 03:10.55 | [floyd] | Are there any dates published yet as to when they will ship/can be preordered? |
| 03:11.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, they said that addons no longer will be able to target or cast spells |
| 03:11.49 | Legorol|poof | Mr_Rabies: i think you are quoting out of context |
| 03:11.55 | Legorol|poof | read this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=9 |
| 03:11.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | so, i'm guessing yes, i'll wait for them to clarify though |
| 03:12.07 | Legorol|poof | it seems to me addons will be able to do a whole lot more than people think |
| 03:12.36 | Legorol|poof | oh and one more thing: i'm pretty sure they'll make these changes to the non-BC people too |
| 03:12.43 | Legorol|poof | not buying BC won't let you avoid them |
| 03:12.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know |
| 03:12.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll be canceling if it's as bad as i hope, also |
| 03:12.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | ;] |
| 03:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, not hope |
| 03:13.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | imagine |
| 03:13.08 | Legorol|poof | so how bad do you think it is? |
| 03:13.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking groupbuttons is hosed |
| 03:13.28 | Legorol|poof | tbh, at the moment the info slouken posted is very terse, at best |
| 03:13.39 | Legorol|poof | i would wait for more detailed info before making my mind up |
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| 03:13.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what i'm saying |
| 03:13.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | before my mind was made |
| 03:13.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | that i'm buying it |
| 03:13.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | now i'm on the fence |
| 03:14.18 | Legorol|poof | the post i just linked is by slouken and suggests that you can bind different spells to different clicks |
| 03:14.24 | Legorol|poof | isn't that what groupbuttons do? |
| 03:14.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | partially, yeah |
| 03:14.34 | Legorol|poof | i never used it, so i don't really know |
| 03:15.04 | Legorol|poof | personally i can't wait until they release more detailed info :) |
| 03:15.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | groupbuttons is like benecast, it autoranks heals based on how much healing is needed, it lets you retain your current target while healing others |
| 03:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has a seperate set of buttons for each name in your party (and raid too if you like that much clutter) |
| 03:15.51 | Legorol|poof | well slouken's post would suggest we can do at least some of this |
| 03:15.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure decursive is hosed |
| 03:16.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | druidbar's current implementation is hosed |
| 03:16.10 | Legorol|poof | and you could already heal others than your current target, just using a macro ;-) |
| 03:16.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | macros can't target now, according to what they said |
| 03:16.36 | Legorol|poof | about that stuff, it's a bit contradictory i think |
| 03:16.46 | Legorol|poof | i know they said macros can't target, but then we have /targetlasttarget slash-command |
| 03:16.52 | Legorol|poof | so something doesn't add up here |
| 03:16.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they need to clarify stuff badly |
| 03:17.08 | Legorol|poof | yeah they do |
| 03:17.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | until they do, i'm assuming the worst |
| 03:17.15 | Legorol|poof | that's why i said: can't wait for more detailed info |
| 03:17.22 | Cairenn | why not assume the best? |
| 03:17.28 | Legorol|poof | hehe i don't assume anything |
| 03:17.34 | Legorol|poof | i just hope they *did* hose Decursive, i never liked it |
| 03:17.35 | zenzelezz | because then you just end up disappointed |
| 03:17.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it rarely ever happens |
| 03:18.05 | zenzelezz | if you assume the worst, then at worst you're right, at best you're pleasantly surprised |
| 03:18.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i assumed the best for the 1.8 druid changes, and guess what? we're still regarded as healers and not much else |
| 03:18.26 | Legorol|poof | that's your guild's problem then ;-) |
| 03:18.30 | Legorol|poof | we have a feral druid who is highly regarded |
| 03:18.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | within most of the community |
| 03:18.38 | Legorol|poof | he gets priority on feral gear, |
| 03:18.54 | Legorol|poof | and he is pretty much *the* feral druid for raid setup |
| 03:19.02 | Legorol|poof | and we use him as a feral druid, very effectively |
| 03:19.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm working my ass off to find a guild that supports ferals properly |
| 03:19.09 | Legorol|poof | starting with obvious stuff like tanking Jin'do |
| 03:19.20 | Legorol|poof | actually in ZG it's great |
| 03:19.31 | Legorol|poof | we use him as 3rd tank for those encounters where it's needed, |
| 03:19.37 | Legorol|poof | extra dps where that's needed, |
| 03:19.41 | Legorol|poof | and healing where that's needed |
| 03:19.49 | Legorol|poof | he gives a lot of flexibility to our raid setup |
| 03:20.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, thats what i want to do |
| 03:20.12 | Xuerian | Yeah, it's a guild issue... |
| 03:20.13 | Legorol|poof | it means the raid group isn't just made of those set number of classes that we started with, but it varies according to boss fight |
| 03:20.15 | Xuerian | But |
| 03:20.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | but all the priests in leather can't wrap their minds around it |
| 03:20.17 | Legorol|poof | that's pretty cool imo :) |
| 03:20.20 | Xuerian | It's common in most guilds |
| 03:20.57 | Legorol|poof | heck, he even gets tanking gear, sometimes even priority over warriors, so he can tank jin'do better |
| 03:21.46 | Xuerian | My guild uses me to tank when I'm not busy lagging out, but the warriors would shit a brick if I got something they needed. |
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| 03:22.17 | Legorol|poof | anyway, coming back to the UI stuff: we badly need clarification, it's clear they are changing a lot of stufff, and it's probably not even half done |
| 03:22.17 | Legorol|poof | so let's just wait and see |
| 03:22.20 | Legorol|poof | besides, i'm supposed to have poofed, so bye bye |
| 03:23.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | see ya legorol |
| 03:23.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | the changes from what i've read so far changed my mindset on bc from glee to worry |
| 03:23.50 | zenzelezz | the way I read it they were rather clear about casting and targetting... what people want is just confirmation, not clarification |
| 03:24.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm worried that healing will be such a chore, hybrids will be forced into nothing but that even more, to make up for it |
| 03:24.20 | Kirkburn | Tyren's post needs links to the changes, it really does :/ |
| 03:24.45 | gnorlish | that would be very frustrating if they essentially undid all the hard work people have done to make healing a bit more bearable |
| 03:25.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was resto spec for a little under a year |
| 03:25.14 | gnorlish | switching from my mage to my shaman in raids requires me to pay attention 10x more |
| 03:25.18 | Cairenn | reading what slouken posted, it sounds like Tyren's wording could use some re-working |
| 03:25.26 | gnorlish | and having to deal with more crap would make it even harder |
| 03:25.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | the latter part of that year was one of the least fun times of my wow "life" |
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| 03:25.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | when 1.8 rolled out i was happy that i could finally be accepted as a healer, tank, or dps, and that didn't really happen :/ |
| 03:26.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm expecting the same thing to happen here |
| 03:26.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it doesn't, and it's a positive thing, then i'll be happy |
| 03:26.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | but until then, i'm worried |
| 03:28.15 | Cairenn | worried is understandable |
| 03:28.21 | Cairenn | mass hysteria is silly |
| 03:28.52 | zenzelezz | this is the intarweb, we blow everything out of proportion :) |
| 03:29.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not going to cancel my account over poorly worded changes, but if the wording isnt too far off, i might |
| 03:30.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | when they clarify exactly to what extent, how, and why they're breaking everything, assuming they are |
| 03:30.55 | Gryphen | well they said why |
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| 03:46.09 | Cairenn | tyroney: ? |
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| 03:46.36 | tyroney | Just finished a pretty basic tutorial to maybe help get someone started on xml/lua and how it all comes together. |
| 03:47.14 | Cairenn | nice! |
| 03:47.42 | Cairenn | feel free to toss it up on WoWI in the Tutorials section if you'd like to :) |
| 03:48.04 | tyroney | http://www.tyroney.com/wow/testaddon03.png and http://wowi.pastey.net/1398 were the end result. There were a few steps getting there. |
| 03:48.38 | tyroney | How long will pastey hold that? (I don't want to go look it up for myself, I'm too worn out) |
| 03:49.16 | Cairenn | no idea, quite a long time I believe though |
| 03:49.20 | [floyd] | And who's the hawt nightelf in the screenshot anyway? |
| 03:49.46 | tyroney | Some hunter of mine. I have at least one of everything. |
| 03:49.58 | zenzelezz | still, I'd save the code just in case |
| 03:54.24 | tyroney | I love knowing that absvalues don't need their own tags. |
| 04:02.12 | tyroney | Phew. It must be bed time. |
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| 04:19.50 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32184244&postId=322117501&sid=1#1 |
| 04:19.53 | Cairenn | slouken clarified |
| 04:22.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | whew |
| 04:23.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | still a :[ but not a :( the size of jupiter |
| 04:23.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | The Dethklok Home for Wayward Kitties, :o |
| 04:25.00 | Cairenn | well, didn't we tell you that already? didn't we point you to the *actual* changes as posted by slouken? |
| 04:26.22 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:26.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they were like in moonspeak |
| 04:26.57 | Iriel | Many of us speak moonspeak |
| 04:29.22 | MentalPower | yep, I speak moonish too :) |
| 04:34.54 | FISKER | microsoft should be smart |
| 04:35.16 | FISKER | There's this release team that's slipstreaming the newest Windows XP each month :P |
| 04:35.30 | FISKER | microsoft should do the same :( |
| 04:36.51 | Arrowmaster | ive got my own custom slipstream somewhere around here |
| 04:37.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | so, groupbuttons is still in, just not the autoranking heals based on healing needed |
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| 04:37.38 | Thunder_Child | gb doesnt seem to deal with range anymore as well |
| 04:37.46 | Thunder_Child | as far as greying out |
| 04:37.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll just have it only show certain spells when spells hit the healing threshold, which is the same thing to me, just different implementation |
| 04:37.58 | Arrowmaster | wasnt there talk about them nerfing +healing on lower ranked spells anyway? |
| 04:38.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought they already did? |
| 04:38.13 | ckknight | hey all |
| 04:38.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, below level, 20 something or so, they were nerfed |
| 04:38.20 | Thunder_Child | hey |
| 04:38.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | sup ckknight :o |
| 04:38.56 | Arrowmaster | no i thought i heard somebody about them making it so that just about anything less than max rank was useless |
| 04:39.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh i don't see them doing that |
| 04:39.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, they might |
| 04:39.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | with stacking HoTs |
| 04:39.39 | Arrowmaster | there was talk about it on one of the healing classes forums i think |
| 04:39.50 | Arrowmaster | the 3x sta scares me |
| 04:39.51 | FISKER | Stuff like decursive and such won't work with these changes right? |
| 04:40.05 | Arrowmaster | i hope stuff doesnt hit 3x harder |
| 04:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, decursive won't in its current implementation |
| 04:40.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it won't arrow |
| 04:40.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | fights are designed to last a lot longer |
| 04:40.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | in both pve and pvp |
| 04:40.28 | FISKER | good for us now we have paladins :P |
| 04:40.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | which hopefully means we have less trash to clear |
| 04:40.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they used trashmobs to cockblock boss zerging |
| 04:40.50 | Cairenn | evening ckknight |
| 04:40.51 | Arrowmaster | ok so then it would be ok to let the MTs health drop a few thousand and then drop a big heal on him without worrying about him dying? |
| 04:41.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's how i used to do it before getting groupbuttons |
| 04:41.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | people whined, but they usually didn't die |
| 04:41.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't have enough buttons to put HT 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11 on my bars |
| 04:42.18 | Arrowmaster | hmmm |
| 04:42.27 | Arrowmaster | "Just to clarify, AddOns and macros will still be able to cast spells (with user interaction of course), they just won't be able to use logic to intelligently pick spells or targets." |
| 04:42.48 | Arrowmaster | how the hell is that possible? still allowing spell casting from addons but not conditionally casting |
| 04:43.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | well it says pick spells |
| 04:43.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder if it means spell ranks too |
| 04:43.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i would assume so |
| 04:43.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | but who knows |
| 04:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn you blizzard and your vague-ass announcements |
| 04:44.10 | FISKER | i don't know Arrowmaster :I |
| 04:44.42 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking it was going to be no spell casing using lua just /cast in macros but now it seems like there will be casting from lua |
| 04:45.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think blizzard secretly finds entertainment on announcing something huge, not explaining it, and watching us flip out |
| 04:45.43 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2 wins a gold star |
| 04:45.44 | FISKER | But technically then |
| 04:45.49 | FISKER | With Detox you could just make the live list |
| 04:46.01 | FISKER | and you could assign clickcasting to the tooltipframe |
| 04:46.10 | FISKER | or what? |
| 04:46.21 | Arrowmaster | read the changes closer |
| 04:46.36 | Arrowmaster | cant change the settings in combat |
| 04:46.37 | FISKER | i don't get them :P |
| 04:46.46 | FISKER | change what settings? |
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| 04:49.04 | FISKER | oh well i will call tyren the plaguebearer :P |
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| 04:49.08 | FISKER | just like he was for the rogues :( |
| 04:50.06 | FISKER | but what am i missing? :P |
| 04:50.24 | FISKER | Only thing i get is that they're going to disable targetting and spellcasting in the macros but still do it so it can be done?? |
| 04:51.09 | Cairenn | they are changing it so the mod/macro can't make your decision for you |
| 04:51.21 | Cairenn | from what I understand |
| 04:51.47 | Cairenn | no more single "i win" buttons |
| 04:52.00 | Arrowmaster | from the addition of all the new / stuff like /spellstopcasting they were going to make a lot of /script stuff not work in macros |
| 04:52.28 | FISKER | so decursive with the it's clean party stuff can't work besides perhaps the live lists and stuff like "auto"-raidhealing utilities won't work either or what? |
| 04:52.45 | Arrowmaster | my "i win" button will still work =) /use ToEP /spellstopcasting /cast Shadow Bolt |
| 04:52.49 | FISKER | But other like my "Riposte if useable, Sinister Strike if not useable" should work? |
| 04:53.29 | Arrowmaster | the "Riposte if useable, Sinister Strike if not useable" would just be /cast Riposte /cast Sinister Strike |
| 04:53.54 | Arrowmaster | no fancy checking to see if riposte is actually usable to avoid an error message i would think |
| 04:54.24 | FISKER | yeah ok mine does then check if riposte is available :) |
| 04:54.31 | FISKER | but it's just filtering some error spam |
| 04:54.33 | FISKER | no biggie |
| 04:54.52 | FISKER | But technically couldn't you just then make an addon which shows the most optimal spell to cast? |
| 04:55.02 | FISKER | But you just cast it yourself |
| 04:55.09 | Arrowmaster | "Addons and macro scripts may only change macros, key bindings, and action buttons while you are not in combat." |
| 04:55.41 | FISKER | yeah but you could just have other ranks on the actionbar :) |
| 04:56.02 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 04:56.17 | Arrowmaster | "Action buttons and targeting frames are "protected", and may not be programmatically moved, shown or hidden, or have their action changed while in combat." |
| 04:57.04 | FISKER | Well i just mean you could have an addon that just said "Most mana-effective spell: Flash heal rank 4" or something like that |
| 04:57.10 | FISKER | but you would have to cast it yourself |
| 04:57.18 | Arrowmaster | well yeah |
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| 04:58.06 | Arrowmaster | i guess you could make an addon where you have all your heal spell ranks in a row and the addon puts like a big red arrow above the most effective one to use on your "focus" |
| 04:58.15 | Arrowmaster | or "target" |
| 04:59.11 | Arrowmaster | im seriously going to rofl if that ends up being the new style of heal spell selecting |
| 04:59.31 | FISKER | heh |
| 04:59.35 | FISKER | Healer's mark |
| 04:59.38 | FISKER | I can see it now |
| 05:00.00 | Industrial | does PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED also fire for rogue stealthing? |
| 05:00.40 | Industrial | If so; It only mentions druid on the wiki |
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| 06:38.41 | Industrial | I have a very basic rogue thingy that chooses between attacks for me. this is just the beginning but I have a question: http://pastey.net/1401 |
| 06:38.45 | Industrial | Im using my own slash command handler now to relay it through a macro, this makes executing the macro put the slash command in my history list of things i 'said'. Is there another way? |
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| 06:53.34 | Iriel | Industrial: I can answer that, one sec |
| 06:53.44 | Industrial | kay :D |
| 06:54.28 | Iriel | Industrial: My code implies yes. |
| 06:55.02 | Industrial | Moving on to questions 2; How exactly? |
| 06:55.05 | Industrial | :E |
| 06:56.27 | Iriel | Can you use GetShapeshiftFormInfo or whatever the API call is? |
| 06:57.20 | Industrial | er, yes? |
| 07:03.02 | Industrial | oh well thats one event less ^^ |
| 07:03.17 | Industrial | but that wasnt the chat command issue im having hehe |
| 07:05.56 | Iriel | Oh, to run a command but not put it in history? |
| 07:06.07 | Iriel | Download AfterCast and steal my code |
| 07:07.20 | Industrial | kay |
| 07:12.10 | FISKER_Q | thief |
| 07:15.56 | Industrial | oh |
| 07:16.03 | Industrial | it seems the problem is that it is a macro |
| 07:16.06 | Industrial | :>P |
| 07:16.21 | Industrial | ofcource, that happens with all macrso |
| 07:16.23 | Industrial | macros* |
| 07:39.06 | Wobin | gluh |
| 07:39.10 | Wobin | I hate naptime |
| 07:39.17 | Wobin | Oh hey Iriel |
| 07:39.21 | Wobin | how are you? |
| 07:39.44 | Iriel | in need of coffee |
| 07:39.54 | Wobin | I thought I was in need of sleep |
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| 07:42.10 | Wobin | sadly mistaken =( |
| 07:42.18 | Wobin | I hate napping in the summer |
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| 07:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | stop sleep-sheep-eating |
| 07:50.46 | Wobin | ... |
| 07:50.48 | Wobin | *baaah* |
| 07:57.07 | MoonWolf | ... |
| 07:58.09 | FISKER_Q | "Hey brian i had the wierdest dream tonight, i dreamt i was eating sheeps. Where's my pillow? Oh there it is, what the hell was i eating then?" |
| 07:58.14 | FISKER_Q | "Baaaah baaaah" |
| 07:58.22 | FISKER_Q | family guy ftw :P |
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| 08:06.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75NhFaZyFrA |
| 08:06.52 | Wobin | so very cool |
| 08:09.29 | FISKER_Q | so will WoW without the burning crusade also be called 2.0.0? |
| 08:10.58 | Kirov | probably |
| 08:11.14 | Kirov | afaik they're the same code base, the expansion just has the extra content |
| 08:11.55 | FISKER_Q | Just speculated that 1.13 would be the "compatibillity" patch for normal wow players |
| 08:13.02 | FISKER_Q | but then again they did do the same stuff with D2 and WC3 |
| 08:13.13 | FISKER_Q | so it's probably gonna be 2.0.0 |
| 08:14.12 | Iriel | slouken had me delete the 1.13 changes thread and re make it as 2.0 some time ago, I think 2.0 will be the unified release. |
| 08:18.05 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:18.22 | Wobin | I suspect that healing will become a whole lot more whack-a-mole |
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| 08:32.58 | Corr[home] | sigh. UI changes? i hate changes. |
| 08:33.45 | Corr[home] | ew, especially these changes |
| 08:34.50 | Iriel | Why so much? |
| 08:35.11 | Corr[home] | spell casting is a pretty widely used function -- not digging the idea of having that removed |
| 08:35.47 | krka | i'm pretty sure spell casting will stay |
| 08:36.02 | krka | otherwise it'd be kinda unfair to mages and stuff :P |
| 08:36.06 | Corr[home] | Action buttons and targeting frames are "protected", and may not be programmatically moved, shown or hidden, or have their action changed while in combat. -- maybe means that Prowler can no longer give me a new action bar while in stealth, or at least can't switch back once i attack |
| 08:37.37 | Corr[home] | can't target things -- no "target <specific boss or tank>" macro, if you used such a thing |
| 08:39.39 | Corr[home] | mages commonly use a macro in the Hakkar fight that tries to target and polymorph all the main tanks when he does his MC. neither the targetting nor the casting will work |
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| 08:41.36 | Wobin | although |
| 08:41.40 | Corr[home] | maybe there's been plenty of discussion about that, anyway. i haven't been here for quite a while. |
| 08:41.59 | Wobin | what might be able to be done is while they can't be shown/hidden, can we change the texture? |
| 08:42.26 | Corr[home] | they just can't be changed during combat |
| 08:43.40 | Wobin | Well, unless something clears up about the changes (and I'm expecting them to) there simply won't be many healers in the end game raids come BC =P |
| 08:43.55 | Corr[home] | apparently they don't want us to be able to do something like that, to have Innervate refuse to cast if the target is a warrior, or to be able to target somebody without stopping to type his name, so they will be achieving those goals. i just wish they wouldn't. |
| 08:44.05 | FISKER_Q | ah nice Wobin |
| 08:44.16 | FISKER_Q | then i can scream "OMG LEARN2WHACK HEALERS!" |
| 08:44.18 | Wobin | It's the ultimate in lobbying =P |
| 08:44.33 | Wobin | Blizzard: So, what do you think of our new dungeons? |
| 08:44.35 | Corr[home] | i don't rely much on these features myself, but i know how many people love click-casting. gone. |
| 08:44.42 | Wobin | Everyone: Well. we can't find a healer to play with |
| 08:45.02 | Wobin | Living where I am, clickcasting is almost required |
| 08:45.14 | Corr[home] | if addons can't change your target... does that mean my unitframes replacement can't change my target when i click on my party? |
| 08:45.17 | Wobin | my latency doesn't allow for much else, anything to lower reaction time is required |
| 08:45.22 | Corr[home] | never mind, i'm not healing either |
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| 09:09.55 | Corr[home] | hold on, we get a /stopcasting but we can't cast? |
| 09:16.34 | Corr[home] | and now in one of the threads, i read " Just to clarify, AddOns and macros will still be able to cast spells (with user interaction of course), they just won't be able to use logic to intelligently pick spells or targets. ", so now i really don't know what they intend to do about it |
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| 09:18.44 | FISKER_Q | lol |
| 09:18.57 | FISKER_Q | why the hell did mirc think i should reconnect to dal.net rather than here ?:P |
| 09:21.18 | krka | meh, i already have lots of heal-mods thought out for TBC |
| 09:21.24 | krka | would be fun to play a healer |
| 09:21.28 | krka | whole new game |
| 09:21.44 | FISKER_Q | me and "that guy" found out of one too |
| 09:21.46 | FISKER_Q | "Healer's Mark" |
| 09:22.00 | FISKER_Q | Put a big giant red arrow on the best healing spell to use in the given situation |
| 09:22.02 | krka | what? |
| 09:22.10 | krka | my idea is simiilar |
| 09:22.16 | FISKER_Q | you stole it! |
| 09:22.29 | krka | make lots of click-areas on unit frames health bar |
| 09:22.43 | krka | and choose healing spell based on that |
| 09:22.55 | FISKER_Q | good idea |
| 09:22.59 | Corr[home] | not sure if you can do that whole "choosing a healing based spell" any more |
| 09:23.03 | FISKER_Q | still gonna call the patent office though |
| 09:23.08 | krka | i described it poorly |
| 09:23.13 | krka | but it wouldn't be any logic choosing |
| 09:23.13 | FISKER_Q | No you can't make an addon do it Corr[home] |
| 09:23.17 | FISKER_Q | But you can do it yourself |
| 09:23.24 | FISKER_Q | It should be possible to still compute the best spell |
| 09:23.31 | FISKER_Q | you just have to activate it yourself |
| 09:23.32 | Corr[home] | but that uses logic.. |
| 09:23.36 | krka | just a bunch of buttons on the health bar |
| 09:23.41 | Corr[home] | ah |
| 09:23.55 | krka | invisible and with different widths |
| 09:24.09 | krka | set up to heal the appropiate amount |
| 09:24.18 | FISKER_Q | so like if you click 50% it will try to find the best heal for healing 50% |
| 09:24.21 | FISKER_Q | right? |
| 09:24.25 | krka | exactly |
| 09:24.37 | krka | err |
| 09:24.42 | krka | except not "find" |
| 09:24.50 | krka | it will be predefined |
| 09:25.03 | krka | for this tank, 50% heal will be rank X |
| 09:25.05 | krka | et.c. |
| 09:25.06 | Corr[home] | " Or you could have a column of info frames showing raid member status, and then have a menu of cleanse/heal type spells that pop up when you click on them, etc. etc." now i'm even more confused |
| 09:25.26 | Corr[home] | somebody quoted Slouken in a post i didn't even see him make, in the discussion thread, but then he replied like he actually did say it |
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| 09:26.43 | FISKER_Q | Or a series of tubes located above your keyboard to hit the keys for you |
| 09:26.51 | Iriel | He may have deleted his post? |
| 09:27.15 | krka | series of tubes? you mean like sending an internet? |
| 09:27.43 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 09:27.54 | FISKER_Q | I got internet was send by my staff last friday |
| 09:27.57 | FISKER_Q | I got it yesterday |
| 09:27.59 | FISKER_Q | oh wait |
| 09:28.01 | FISKER_Q | that was friday |
| 09:28.04 | FISKER_Q | crap :/ |
| 09:29.29 | FISKER_Q | lol |
| 09:29.49 | FISKER_Q | haven't rebooted in ages |
| 09:30.03 | FISKER_Q | System Up Time: 40 Days, 18 Hours, 47 Minutes, 43 Seconds |
| 09:30.03 | FISKER_Q | :I |
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| 09:45.23 | wereHamster | if I understand the changes in 2.0 correctly, will changing the target not be allowed at all? |
| 09:45.46 | Corr[home] | i don't think so... it's pretty complex |
| 09:46.03 | krka | correct. so at level 1 when you choose your target, put some thought into it before finalizing it |
| 09:46.22 | Corr[home] | it seems addons can't choose targets for you, but they can still retarget things using addon features. i really don't know what that implies. |
| 09:47.05 | Corr[home] | it seems to me that the "hakkar mage MT sheep macro" should still work now that i've read this entire thread |
| 09:48.14 | Corr[home] | because it involves putting the people's names into the macro. it isn't choosing the target, just switching to the ones you told it to. but then, i have no idea how /cast works, and CastSpellByName probably won't, so maybe it wouldn't work anyway. |
| 09:49.14 | Mery | oh wow the 2.0.0 changes thread exploded since i went to bed yesterday... |
| 09:49.58 | wereHamster | so things like 'if UnitExists("pettarget") then TargetUnit("perttarget") end' won't work anymore? |
| 09:51.21 | Corr[home] | yeah |
| 09:51.33 | Corr[home] | i mean, correct |
| 09:51.45 | zenzelezz | I don't understand why they'd change that... it just seems silly |
| 09:52.24 | Corr[home] | to force people to become more involved in combat |
| 09:52.53 | wereHamster | I created a one-button grinding script for my hunter, where I use this simple logic to select a target, send teh pet, attack etc.. |
| 09:53.19 | wereHamster | I guess ColdFusionShell becomes useless after 2.0 |
| 09:53.34 | Corr[home] | for example, instead of pressing a key when someone has a curse on them, or pressing a key to heal the most damaged person, or pressing a key to automate combat (you silly hamster), it -seems- you now have to manually target people and choose which spell to cast |
| 09:54.21 | zenzelezz | I can understand the healing/cleansing part, but targetting is still weird to me |
| 09:54.36 | zenzelezz | "okay, everyone stay far away from the MT so we can click him and hit our assist button" |
| 09:54.44 | Mery | well decurseive would be 2 buttons if targetting is still possible |
| 09:55.00 | Corr[home] | i really couldn't say. i don't know what addons use that to do. you can still use /target (the slash commands work fine), but i don't know if you can use slash commands in a .lua script |
| 09:55.06 | Mery | I assume you can still do /target |
| 09:55.54 | Corr[home] | i'll mourn the loss of the ability to press a key to decurse people, and though i sincerely hope that decursive will still be allowed to display the list of people who have debuffs and -what the debuffs are-, i doubt it will be able to, based on what i've read about prioritized lists being unusable. |
| 09:56.27 | Mery | well i havn't even read it all, but it looks like you can display a list |
| 09:56.34 | Mery | but that list is not clickable |
| 09:57.00 | zenzelezz | it just puzzles me that they haven't "fixed" this before if it irked them so much |
| 09:57.08 | Corr[home] | they've been trying |
| 09:57.13 | Mery | because it reqires a massive amount of testing |
| 09:57.16 | Corr[home] | as far as i'm aware, they've been trying to kill decursive forever |
| 09:57.33 | Mery | they prolly have been working on this changes for a long time already |
| 09:57.39 | Corr[home] | squishy will also die, which means i'm really, really not interested in playing battlegrounds with my healer any more |
| 09:57.55 | wereHamster | what about that changing target will trigger the global cooldown? that would break all addons that scan the whole raid |
| 09:58.10 | zenzelezz | it's a matter of opinion of course, but I think if they cared so much about the issue, they should have pushed these changes before new instances, including Naxxramas/TAQ |
| 09:58.21 | Corr[home] | i have yet to see a decent implementation of raid frames that show me who is in range of my healing spells. squishy was the only reason i healed at all in AV. |
| 09:59.59 | Corr[home] | hmm. i have a "main tanks" display via x-perl unitframes. i bet that won't let me target my tanks any more. |
| 10:01.25 | Mery | what does this mean? " Button Keybindings |
| 10:01.25 | Mery | * You can now bind keys directly to buttons: SetBindingClick("KEY", "buttonName"[, "mouseButton"]) |
| 10:03.10 | Corr[home] | it means that, through scripts, you can set -anything- to a keybind and mouseclick now |
| 10:03.17 | Corr[home] | *in the future. i believe. |
| 10:03.31 | Mery | ahh I think I get it thanks |
| 10:03.35 | Corr[home] | but maybe i'm wrong. |
| 10:03.55 | Corr[home] | i don't know what a "button" is in this context, but i saw people talking about this as a feature in the thread |
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| 10:06.48 | Mery | you can set up a row of frames representing the folks you want to heal, and then bind "medium heal" to click, and then "big heal" to shift-click, or right click. |
| 10:06.57 | Mery | lol should have just read a page further before asking |
| 10:09.08 | wereHamster | I think blizzard saw after MC that all mages had decursive so they decided, 'hey, let's add AoE debuffs to every encounter' without actually thinking what happens when they make decursive unusable |
| 10:10.40 | Corr[home] | what's the purpose of AoE debuffs? to flood the decursive list with prioritizable debuffs? |
| 10:11.18 | Corr[home] | Mery: "set up a row of frames representing the folks you want to heal" -- unfortunately it sounds like this row of frames has to be set up beforehand... like your entire raid frame |
| 10:12.12 | Mery | yeah which isn't a bad thing |
| 10:12.32 | Mery | or people would just click one place of the screen and the addon automates what is under your mouse |
| 10:13.49 | MoonWolf | can you hide and show during combat ? |
| 10:14.50 | Corr[home] | i'm too fuzzy on just what you can do with your frames to answer that |
| 10:23.51 | Mery | MoonWolf: I doubt it |
| 10:24.01 | MoonWolf | Indeed |
| 10:24.05 | MoonWolf | would be a pretty bad lookover. |
| 10:24.16 | MoonWolf | unit x is in trouble |
| 10:24.22 | MoonWolf | unhide button for unit x |
| 10:24.36 | Mery | because then you make all frames on top of each othre |
| 10:24.56 | Mery | and only show the one you need to get emergency monitor like behaviour |
| 10:25.20 | Mery | you'd only need 25 times as many frames for the same goal |
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| 10:27.12 | Neebler | woooooo. hello |
| 10:27.48 | Corr[home] | i've submitted my current questions to the thread. we'll see what he comes up with. |
| 10:28.37 | Mery | anyway the people in the forum are funny "OMG I have to watch 40 players during raids in TBC" while at the same day (new) raids (the ones they will be doing) only have 25 players max |
| 10:28.54 | MoonWolf | learn to skill |
| 10:30.27 | Corr[home] | i do watch 40 players. but healers are more concerned with the main tanks. |
| 10:30.38 | Corr[home] | if i can't target my main tanks with the frame that shows them, i will definitely be upset |
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| 10:31.53 | Corr[home] | i've always enjoyed the "finger dance" within reasonable limits. thus i've always had all my abilities and spell ranks spread out on my action bars and have chosen them manually. but some people don't like to do that, i know. :( |
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| 10:32.50 | Corr[home] | i will have a suggestion for perfectraid if things go as it sounds like they're going |
| 10:33.06 | Corr[home] | but... no, never mind, not if you can't move them around during combat. |
| 10:34.38 | Corr[home] | hell. this means i also can't target people by clicking on my TTSpellTimer frame |
| 10:37.02 | wereHamster | hm.. CastSpell is also protected? |
| 10:37.07 | Mery | yes |
| 10:37.47 | zenzelezz | come 2.1.5 you will only be able to initiate combat and watch the AI fight for you |
| 10:38.12 | Corr[home] | lol |
| 10:39.21 | wereHamster | didn't slouken say they want to clean up the UI so it uses less screen real-estate? |
| 10:40.16 | Corr[home] | it barely uses any as it is... |
| 10:42.14 | wereHamster | I use a 'if shield slam ready and rage > 30 then cast shield slam else cast shield bash' macro |
| 10:42.45 | wereHamster | if that won't be possible I'll have to look every other second to the action buttons sinde the shield slam cooldown is only 6 seconds |
| 10:42.57 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity.... why Shield Bash? |
| 10:43.00 | wereHamster | oh.. and the rage bar, too |
| 10:43.23 | wereHamster | what else would you do? |
| 10:43.30 | Corr[home] | wereHamster: i think they -want- you to watch your cooldowns and rage bar |
| 10:44.03 | Corr[home] | there's nothing saying you can't have something tell you in big, bold, flashing, neon letters that the ability is ready |
| 10:44.14 | wereHamster | it would be fine if the spells had a 10/15/30 seconds cooldown, but 6? |
| 10:44.35 | Corr[home] | like OMG HIT SHIELD SLAM every 6 seconds |
| 10:44.38 | zenzelezz | my priority is something like (assuming 5 sunders are up to stop people from whining): Revenge, Shield Block, Shield Slam, Sunder Armor, and the possibly Heroic Strike. Shield Bash I only use to interrupt casts or silence a mob |
| 10:44.58 | wereHamster | I have other keysbindings for the other spells |
| 10:45.07 | Corr[home] | wereHamster: if you want to watch a certain area of the screen, you can have a miniature cooldown display for just a few of the actions you commonly use placed in that location :) |
| 10:45.32 | Corr[home] | i don't know of an addon that does that, yet, but you can be sure one will pop up once these changes take place |
| 10:46.05 | wereHamster | I already have (coolDown), but not everyone likes addons, and actionbar on the bottom, rage bar on the top, they are too far away from each other for my taste |
| 10:46.26 | Corr[home] | i just wish my addons could still help me target people. i'm not looking forward to seeing that rejuv is about to run out on "bob" and having to read my list of 40 names on the raid frame, trying to find him |
| 10:46.44 | Iriel | why not just have bob's name light up? |
| 10:47.05 | Corr[home] | wereHamster: that's why i just suggested an addon that puts another cooldown display up where you want to watch. or a rage bar down by your action bars. |
| 10:48.05 | Corr[home] | Iriel: are you suggesting having bob's name highlight when i click on his name on the list? can we do that? |
| 10:48.25 | Corr[home] | like with decursive -- instead of clicking to cure them, you click to highlight their name so you can target them more easily? |
| 10:48.38 | Iriel | I believe you're free to do whatever you want DISPLAY wise |
| 10:48.39 | Corr[home] | (this isn't how it is. i'm asking if this is how it can be done) |
| 10:48.47 | Iriel | You just can't move buttons around or change what they do |
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| 10:49.29 | wereHamster | the game should be playable with the standard UI, and IMHO are the basic elements (HP, actionbuttons) too far away from each other for mid-highlevel instances |
| 10:49.52 | Iriel | as we covered earlier, blizzard stated they playtest all instances with *NO ADDONS WHATSOEVER* |
| 10:50.03 | Corr[home] | i wasn't here when you covered that |
| 10:50.32 | Corr[home] | these are the same people, mind you, who can't figure out that wall exploit in WSG |
| 10:50.41 | Iriel | They were asked about addons specifically at Blizzcon last year, and said that none of their raid development team use addons during internal playtesting and balancing. |
| 10:51.13 | wereHamster | Iriel, I know, but still, it's not optimal |
| 10:51.13 | Mery | "For example, you can have your teammates arranged in a pleasing array, and when they get sheeped they can start glowing or flashing ... or just bleat... and then you can either click on them to dispel them or pop up a menu with the dispel action on it, depending on how you have things set up. ... " |
| 10:52.40 | Corr[home] | i actually do watch my cooldowns at the bottom and health bar at the top. i have an addon that adds extra flash to them when they are ready. |
| 10:52.43 | zenzelezz | <Iriel> as we covered earlier, blizzard stated they playtest all instances with *NO ADDONS WHATSOEVER* <--- I find that quite easy to believe actually... it would be downright stupid to make an encounter that was "unbeatable" using the provided UI |
| 10:56.29 | Iriel | gnight all |
| 10:56.36 | zenzelezz | night |
| 10:56.37 | Mery | good night |
| 10:56.59 | Corr[home] | ni |
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| 11:09.58 | Kaso | Can addons use items dynamically? |
| 11:10.38 | Kaso | (i mean in 2.0.0 |
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| 11:12.05 | Corr[home] | i don't see anything to indicate that item use has been protected in that way |
| 11:12.15 | Corr[home] | can a .lua script execute a /slash command? |
| 11:12.37 | Kaso | yes |
| 11:12.51 | Mery | probably not the /cast /target in 2.0 |
| 11:13.05 | Kaso | can a .lua script execute a /slash command? |
| 11:13.05 | Kaso | (12:12:46) (Kaso) yes |
| 11:13.08 | Kaso | fuck |
| 11:13.11 | Kaso | stupid copy paste :< |
| 11:14.25 | Kaso | Corr[home] do you mean, how would you execute a /slash in the curernt UI ? |
| 11:15.00 | Corr[home] | yes, i suppose i'm curious to know how it's done. |
| 11:15.24 | Mery | hmm would it be possible to set the edit box to "/target playerName" and just require the user to hit enter to get "dynamically" created code executed? |
| 11:15.26 | krka | Corr[home]: look at how slash commands are added |
| 11:15.32 | krka | that same table can be used to call |
| 11:15.44 | krka | don't remember the actual name of it |
| 11:15.48 | Mery | its in ChatFrame.lua |
| 11:16.01 | krka | but like... SLASHCMD["command"](message) might call it |
| 11:20.23 | wereHamster | isn't it SlashCmdList[] ? |
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| 11:21.16 | Corr[home] | i wonder if that would work to call things like /switchactionbars or whatever it is |
| 11:21.37 | Kaso | SlashCmdList["slash_token"]() would be it |
| 11:23.30 | krka | Kaso: dont forget to pass the message as a parameter |
| 11:23.54 | Kaso | oh, of course |
| 11:24.52 | Kaso | i guess you could itterate though _G (or whatever it is in wow, i forget the name) to get the slash token from the attual /slash |
| 11:28.07 | wereHamster | Kaso, getfenv(0) |
| 11:29.02 | Kaso | that's the one |
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| 11:36.10 | Corr[home] | i'm just really, really hoping that we can still switch actionbars during combat, but it really doesn't sound like we can, at least not automatically |
| 11:37.33 | zenzelezz | " Just to clarify, AddOns and macros will still be able to cast spells (with user interaction of course), they just won't be able to use logic to intelligently pick spells or targets." |
| 11:37.49 | zenzelezz | the more I read, the more confused I get |
| 11:38.19 | Mery | you can still use /cast and /target in marcos |
| 11:38.28 | [Cu]Werik | It means, they will provide you a funcion so actionbar mods can work, but nothing else:) |
| 11:38.56 | Mery | you cannot use CastSpellByNmae("somerandomlychosenspellnamestring") and TargetByName("name"); |
| 11:39.02 | Corr[home] | it means your macros can cast specific spells but they can't choose what spell to cast |
| 11:39.28 | Corr[home] | but that's not actually what it means, it's what they -want- it to mean |
| 11:39.53 | Mery | (well I'm always assuming what I think it will mean) |
| 11:39.56 | Corr[home] | you could still use "if <this> then /cast something" as far as i'm aware, so it must be different |
| 11:40.07 | Mery | no you cannot Corr |
| 11:40.24 | Corr[home] | eh? |
| 11:40.43 | Mery | I think you cannot put any condition on spell casting anymore |
| 11:40.59 | Corr[home] | i was talking about currently. however, "if" must be within a /script command, so i'm still wrong. |
| 11:41.53 | Mery | yeah currently you do /script if (condition) then CastSpellByName("Fireball") else CastSpellByName("Frostbolt"); end |
| 11:42.41 | Corr[home] | seems to me they're disabling CastSpellByName entirely |
| 11:43.11 | wereHamster | why does the function still exist then? |
| 11:43.22 | Corr[home] | if they didn't do that, they'd have to insert some pretty arcane logic checking to see if there are conditionals in use |
| 11:43.49 | Mery | I think its just protected and /cast still calls it |
| 11:43.54 | Corr[home] | it just seems the obvious, easy choice, if they are specifically having /cast in |
| 11:44.08 | wereHamster | what about Cast(instant); CastStop(); Cast(heal); will that be possible? |
| 11:44.18 | Corr[home] | what are those? |
| 11:44.19 | Mery | yes |
| 11:44.34 | Mery | I think as slouken made StopSpellCasting a slash command |
| 11:44.34 | Corr[home] | oh. yeah, they added a slash command to stop casting.l |
| 11:45.00 | wereHamster | mery, so how will teh UI differentiate between my script your (with conditionals) ? |
| 11:45.21 | wereHamster | ah, so you won'e be using /script but /cast /caststop /cast .. |
| 11:45.31 | Corr[home] | we are proposing that you can't use CastSpellByName in your code any more |
| 11:45.33 | Mery | yeah, thats what I think |
| 11:45.34 | wereHamster | s/won'w/will/ |
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| 14:31.11 | Maldivia | lol... when I went to bed last night, the consise list had list gotten it's first post on page 7 :) |
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| 14:35.46 | Maldivia | holy... |
| 14:36.15 | Legorol | it's grown by 7 pages since :D |
| 14:36.31 | Mery | and mos tthe the 7 pages is usefull |
| 14:36.46 | Mery | most of the* |
| 14:37.18 | Maldivia | was just looking over all the changes... just... WOWO |
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| 14:38.04 | Maldivia | full UNIT spell cast info, auto loot, full UNIT target change info, pre post click, the secure model, attributes... just wow |
| 14:40.18 | Rallion | they had to placate us for making certain things more difficult :P |
| 14:41.19 | Maldivia | I love the secure model :) |
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| 14:44.38 | Nightdew | Maldivia: What are you referring to? |
| 14:44.39 | Maldivia | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=7 |
| 14:44.39 | Ydrill | Hey Lua nutters. I've been googling and been on WoWwiki and many other lua sites, but I can't seem to find anything about putting an item into the first available bag slot for unequipping |
| 14:44.39 | Maldivia | and forth |
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| 14:46.37 | Ydrill | Anyone familiar with the PutItemInBag/Backback api's? |
| 14:47.10 | Legorol | yes |
| 14:47.22 | Legorol | but starting your note with "hey Lua nutters" isn't very friendly ;-) |
| 14:48.04 | Ydrill | It was meant as a compliment though, my apologies |
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| 14:48.45 | Legorol | hehe no worries, we *are* nutters |
| 14:48.49 | Legorol | what's your question? |
| 14:49.32 | Legorol | crap, fire alarm, afk |
| 14:49.45 | Rallion | hehehehe |
| 14:51.32 | Ydrill | How rude :p |
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| 14:54.10 | Legorol | false alarm :/ |
| 14:57.52 | Ydrill | Legorol, think you can help me with my problem? :) |
| 14:59.29 | Legorol | what is your problem |
| 14:59.36 | Legorol | i think i can help if you think you can describe it |
| 15:00.14 | Ydrill | I need to unequip an item to first available bag slot |
| 15:00.24 | Legorol | ok |
| 15:00.52 | Ydrill | Problem is it can't point to a specific bag since it won't unequip is the bag is full |
| 15:00.55 | Maldivia | PickUpInventoryItem(x) PutItemInBackpack() ? |
| 15:01.14 | Maldivia | PickupInve... |
| 15:01.41 | Ydrill | If the backpack's full it won't unequip, just states that the bag is full |
| 15:01.41 | Legorol | PickupInventoryItem(slot); PutItemInBackPack(); if (CursorHasItem()) then for i=20, 23 do PutItemInBag(i); if (not CursorHasItem()) then break end end end |
| 15:02.18 | Legorol | where slot is the one you want to unequip from, e.g. 16 for main hand weapon |
| 15:02.52 | Ydrill | Nice, I'll try it out right away |
| 15:02.53 | Legorol | sorry Backpack should be small p, that's a typo |
| 15:03.57 | Ydrill | Returns: "that bag is full" and my backpack IS full |
| 15:03.59 | Legorol | except it doesn't work :/ |
| 15:04.00 | Legorol | yeah |
| 15:04.04 | Legorol | ok i'll think about it |
| 15:04.37 | Ydrill | Hmm, I think I have an idea |
| 15:06.59 | Maldivia | UseInventoryItem(x) |
| 15:07.07 | Maldivia | problem is ofcourse, if the item has a use :) |
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| 15:07.26 | Maldivia | ohh wait, that only wotks the other way around :) |
| 15:07.48 | Ydrill | Yeah :( |
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| 15:20.04 | Ydrill | If a local variable is numeric, can you add to it? |
| 15:23.45 | Legorol | add as in +2? |
| 15:23.45 | Legorol | yes |
| 15:25.13 | Ydrill | How? I'm quite new to LUA, but I think I did something similar in PHP once |
| 15:25.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | well local a = 4; a = a + 2 |
| 15:27.04 | Ydrill | Hmm, I was thinking something along these lines: |
| 15:27.14 | Ydrill | ./script local bagger = 20; PickupInventoryItem(18); repeat if (CursorHasItem()) then PutItemInBag(bagger) bagger = bagger + 1 until (not CursorHasItem()) end; |
| 15:27.37 | Legorol | that's what my script does |
| 15:27.59 | Legorol | the problem is that when you do PutItemInBackpack, whether it works or not, it drops the item from the cursor |
| 15:28.16 | Ydrill | Ah yes, of course |
| 15:29.07 | Legorol | and you can't pick it up again in the same script |
| 15:29.16 | Legorol | that's what i'm trying to get around |
| 15:31.23 | Ydrill | Wouldn't CursorCanGoInSlot fix that? |
| 15:33.49 | Legorol | i don't think that'd work for this |
| 15:33.54 | Legorol | but it's a good idea |
| 15:34.46 | Legorol | no it doesn't work, it just tells whether the item on the cursor could be placed in the bag-slot in question |
| 15:34.52 | Legorol | i.e. is it a bag or not |
| 15:35.06 | Legorol | it doesn't tell you if it could be placed *inside* the bag in the given slot |
| 15:36.07 | Ydrill | Bah, thought I had it there |
| 15:39.29 | Ydrill | Could we include the PickUpInventory in the "repeat" function somehow? |
| 15:45.45 | Ydrill | I think I'm on to something |
| 15:49.59 | Ydrill | If a statement returns nothing it's "nil" right? |
| 15:57.17 | krka | not rreally |
| 15:57.56 | krka | but if you assign N values to a function with M results, the N - M last variables gets set to nil |
| 15:58.32 | Legorol | Ydrill: the problem is that you can't call PickupInventoryItem on the same slot more than once during the execution of a given script |
| 15:58.35 | krka | you could of course think of a functions return values as an infinite list of nils, but that's not really true |
| 15:59.48 | Ydrill | Legorol, not even with repeat? |
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| 16:02.30 | Legorol | ok let me rephrase: you *can* call it with appropriate flow control (e.g. repeat), but it doesn't do anything, except the first time you call it |
| 16:02.54 | Legorol | that's because calling PickupInventoryItem on a slot locks that slot, and this lock is only released when your script exits |
| 16:03.26 | Ydrill | Ah ok |
| 16:03.33 | Legorol | when you call it the 2nd, 3rd etc. time in the given script, it sees the lock, and does nothing |
| 16:03.41 | Legorol | it's annoying, but that's how it works |
| 16:04.07 | Legorol | so i'm not sure if there is a simpler solution then actually scanning for empty bag slot yourself, and placing the item directly in there |
| 16:04.15 | Legorol | that scanning is messy and resource intensive :( |
| 16:04.46 | Ydrill | How about using two "for's" with the bag and slot ID's? |
| 16:05.57 | Legorol | yes that's what i mean by scanning |
| 16:06.09 | Legorol | you'd loop over all bag/slot ids, find an empty one and place the item directly in there |
| 16:06.12 | Legorol | that does work |
| 16:06.18 | Legorol | just not an elegant solution |
| 16:06.28 | JoshBork1 | woot! i'm contributing back to the community! |
| 16:11.30 | Ydrill | What API should I use to check if a container slot is empty? |
| 16:18.26 | Legorol | Ydrill: http://wow.pastey.net/1409 |
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| 16:19.33 | Mery | For half of the threads in the UI forum its a pain to read them because people don't even bother to read everything what has been said about the changes before posting .... |
| 16:20.21 | Plorkyeran | Or don't even bother reading past the first post of the changes |
| 16:23.00 | Ydrill | Legorol, that's the messy version? |
| 16:23.34 | Legorol | yup |
| 16:24.57 | Ydrill | Well, it works |
| 16:28.06 | Ydrill | Thanks for your help and time |
| 16:28.11 | Ydrill | Appreciated |
| 16:28.57 | Maldivia | I'm soo looking forward to the PTR, so we can actually test the changes, and don't have to speculate what works and what doesnt... |
| 16:38.44 | JoshBork1 | Morning Cairenn |
| 16:38.49 | Cairenn | morning |
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| 16:48.58 | JoshBork1 | bye all |
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| 16:54.18 | FISKER_Q | Anyone here willing to ask slouken a question for me on the 2.0.0 changes thread? :) |
| 17:01.17 | Mery | you're on EU and nee dsomeone to post? then sure |
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| 17:02.44 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 17:03.14 | FISKER_Q | Just wanted to ask slouken what to do about mainassists dying(he said you can't change maintanks under a combat, but you can't target new units when dead) |
| 17:03.24 | FISKER_Q | so if the mainassist dies the raid is technically screwed |
| 17:03.42 | FISKER_Q | just wondering if there was someway to either let targets be changable under combat or somehow allow it otherwise |
| 17:04.09 | zenzelezz | stop using squishies for main assist ;) |
| 17:04.23 | Mery | could you bring that in a form so that I can sopy paste it? |
| 17:04.27 | Mery | copy* |
| 17:05.03 | FISKER_Q | heh yeah |
| 17:07.18 | Mery | (but from my own point of view you're most likly out of luck on that, as letting you switch what a button represents is exactly the way they chose to battle all those mods that automate your gameplay) |
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| 17:07.36 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 17:07.37 | FISKER_Q | http://pastey.net/1411-439h |
| 17:07.58 | FISKER_Q | Yeah i think i'm out of luck too |
| 17:08.03 | FISKER_Q | but doesn't hurt to ask :P |
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| 17:10.50 | Mery | :) posted |
| 17:11.32 | lacindas | mornin folks |
| 17:11.51 | FISKER_Q | thanks man :) |
| 17:17.16 | Mikk | From what I've understood, you're simply going to have to have different buttons to click for different main assists. |
| 17:17.54 | Mikk | (I for one am not going to cry about that. That's what we've always done :-P) |
| 17:19.21 | Kirkburn | (btw, this is a quick way to keep up to date on sloukens posts if you don't want the entire thread: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/15401595.htm) |
| 17:21.18 | Industrial | Where can I read about different warrir builds and how they work? |
| 17:22.04 | Industrial | warrior* |
| 17:22.07 | Industrial | im 11/31/0 now at level 52 (1 spare point) but I want to know how other builds fight :E |
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| 17:24.55 | Mikk | Arms. Yawn :-P |
| 17:25.33 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Warrior_build |
| 17:25.55 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=phGb0oZVVuzxxzV |
| 17:25.58 | Industrial | thats me now |
| 17:27.21 | Mikk | Keep going in Fury. Get Bloodthirst. |
| 17:28.23 | Industrial | well I basically just do my shouts and heroic strike my rage away hoping for my speed/damage procs... |
| 17:28.56 | Mikk | Bloodthirst is very interesting insofar that it has nothing to do with how great your weapons are. It works off of your attack power. |
| 17:28.59 | Mikk | Plus, it heals you. |
| 17:29.04 | Mikk | Veeeery worthwhile when soloing. |
| 17:30.07 | Industrial | hm |
| 17:34.14 | Legorol | Bloodthirst *is* good |
| 17:34.19 | Legorol | that 31 pt in Fury should've gone for it :) |
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| 17:35.47 | Legorol | btw, you want more in Tac Mastery imo |
| 17:35.58 | Legorol | the 10 rage on stance twist is just about bearable |
| 17:36.10 | Legorol | i agree that that's the bare minimum :) |
| 17:36.34 | Legorol | Industrial: it looks like you are DW-ing |
| 17:37.00 | Legorol | some schools on DW Fury claim you don't need deep wounds/impale with that |
| 17:37.07 | Legorol | it's a thought, most DW Fury still get them anyway |
| 17:37.22 | Industrial | yes dual wield :P |
| 17:38.07 | zenzelezz | by and large, listen to what others say, but don't listen too carefully |
| 17:38.20 | zenzelezz | 99% will claim theirs is the ultimate setup, and they're all wrong |
| 17:39.39 | End | arggg |
| 17:39.50 | End | killed a mob on the side of a mountain |
| 17:39.57 | End | so now I can't loot it because I can't reach it |
| 17:40.06 | zenzelezz | typical :-| |
| 17:40.59 | Industrial | doodeedoo gunna farm more items for my twinky :D |
| 17:41.14 | Industrial | Have a Skeletal Club so far |
| 17:41.19 | Industrial | (19 rogue) |
| 17:45.48 | Industrial | gunna try and get an Assasins Blade |
| 17:51.21 | Industrial | In then new patch we can do /cast right? |
| 17:51.26 | Iriel | Morningf |
| 17:51.27 | Industrial | isnt its argument manipulatable? |
| 17:51.28 | Iriel | Yes |
| 17:51.31 | Industrial | morning Iriel |
| 17:51.33 | Iriel | no |
| 17:51.36 | Industrial | oh bummer |
| 17:51.40 | Iriel | it's argument is not manpupulatable |
| 17:51.56 | Industrial | can you rewrute macros from script? =P |
| 17:52.00 | Iriel | I would hope that they've got some protection against you trying to stuff "/cast Blah blah" into the chat box and executing it |
| 17:52.00 | Industrial | rewrite* |
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| 17:52.53 | Industrial | yeah but could you edit the macro so that the spell name changes? |
| 17:53.12 | Mery | no, thats protected during combat |
| 17:53.21 | Iriel | I would assume slouken is not an idiot 8-) |
| 17:53.26 | Industrial | =P |
| 17:53.45 | Iriel | Past experience tells me we have to be significantly devious to work around his defenses |
| 17:54.11 | Industrial | Change button id's so the spell on a button changes? |
| 17:54.24 | Nightdew | what exactly was the reason to limit so much after so much time |
| 17:54.26 | FISKER_Q | modify the game! |
| 17:54.31 | Nightdew | is there such abuse |
| 17:54.42 | Rallion | there is abuse, yes |
| 17:54.58 | Industrial | They dont like automated combat, and I understand... |
| 17:55.11 | FISKER_Q | i think the reason was that they couldn't use the smaller content team to do it |
| 17:55.21 | Industrial | but being a programmer you cant deny liking researching into areas like that:P |
| 17:55.29 | FISKER_Q | and when they then had the whole team to it they thought it could be done |
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| 17:56.23 | Nightdew | well this was one very different feature not available anywhere else |
| 17:56.32 | Nightdew | it drew me to the game more than others. |
| 17:56.48 | Rallion | yeah, once they're messing with the packets it's pretty damn hard to do anything about it |
| 17:56.49 | FISKER_Q | I get sexually aroused over UI changes |
| 17:56.55 | Nightdew | just sad that they throw that feature out the door |
| 17:57.26 | Rallion | the main thing they're throwing out is the ability to have a button that you can just spam and have it win fights for you |
| 17:57.58 | Rallion | most of the 150 addons I use will be completely unaffected, and no major ones will be broken |
| 17:58.17 | Mikk | Hum.. Actually, auto buffing out of combat will still work, I just realized |
| 17:58.19 | Nightdew | i had that discussion with others.. but in fact nearly always the "automated" spamming is far less effective |
| 17:58.24 | Mikk | It's just a lot more work than it used to be |
| 17:58.33 | Mikk | Erh no, I take that back |
| 17:58.36 | Mikk | Still can't target shit |
| 17:58.51 | Nightdew | why do you need to target |
| 17:58.53 | Mikk | Unless you rewrite macros? |
| 17:58.59 | Nightdew | nvmd |
| 17:59.34 | Rallion | Nightdew, yes, it IS less effective. |
| 18:00.04 | Rallion | less effective, but it works. |
| 18:00.17 | Nightdew | so all in all the abuse is a disadvantage rather than an advantage |
| 18:00.44 | Nightdew | Frankly, I come home tired and just want to run around and kill somethings, not everything has to be work lol |
| 18:00.46 | Iriel | My guess is this.. small changes weren't enough to defeat the addons they didn't like (decursive) |
| 18:00.46 | Rallion | depends on context |
| 18:00.56 | Nightdew | and clearly against a pvp opponent Id get my ass kicked |
| 18:01.03 | Iriel | So they needed a significant event to seriously overhaul the system and take care of the problem |
| 18:01.46 | Mikk | I'm just somewhat annoyed that I can't even target my trade target in my loot handling addon anymore :< |
| 18:01.56 | Mikk | Soooo game breaking that addon |
| 18:02.12 | dreyruugr | What does your addon do? |
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| 18:02.33 | Rallion | yeah, the targetting thing is pretty annoying |
| 18:02.46 | Mikk | Implements zero sum DKP with full/half bidding. Also rolling. Logging. Wipe night bonuses... stuff.. |
| 18:02.46 | Rallion | doesn't affect anything I use, but still |
| 18:02.57 | Mikk | It's hardcoded how my guild wants it |
| 18:03.23 | dreyruugr | Mikk: Is that something you use during combat? |
| 18:03.29 | dreyruugr | If not, then don't worry about it |
| 18:04.39 | Rallion | ooh, actually, I'd expect that GroupButtons will be pretty much broken |
| 18:05.26 | dreyruugr | What did it do? |
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| 18:06.17 | Rallion | heh, well, it's got a bunch of options, actually, but I just use it for click-casting on party or raid members |
| 18:06.38 | Rallion | shift-click on their frame to heal, ctrl-click to flash heal... |
| 18:07.36 | dreyruugr | that works |
| 18:07.39 | dreyruugr | or rather, will work |
| 18:07.50 | dreyruugr | if it was re-ordering the frames based on need, that won't |
| 18:08.49 | Rallion | yeah, it can't do that...it does to auto rank-reduction for low-level characters, though, which IMO should just be in the core UI |
| 18:09.21 | Mery | which it will be with 2.0 |
| 18:09.50 | Rallion | yeah, i thought Ihad heard or read soemthing about it, but I dream a lot |
| 18:10.07 | Rallion | and remember things that didn't actually happen. |
| 18:10.22 | Mery | hmm either too less or too much sleep =P |
| 18:10.44 | Rallion | too little, i think |
| 18:12.04 | Osagasu | Allow macros/addons to hook spellcasts out of combat still, IMO. I don't want to have to put my gems and water and buff spells all back on my bar because they want Decursive to stop working. I have too much junk as is. |
| 18:14.07 | Mery | you could have one button and set the click cast spell of it after every cast |
| 18:14.16 | Mery | (which should be possible out of combat) |
| 18:14.31 | Osagasu | That's still not cryolysis. |
| 18:15.33 | Osagasu | I can deal with putting my Evocation/ward buttons back on the bar, but this is at LEAST 20 buttons they're gonna make me put back. |
| 18:15.38 | Mery | why shouldn't something like this not be possible? |
| 18:16.12 | Mery | you couldn't expand / hide the other buttons during combat |
| 18:16.37 | Osagasu | I use all of the buttons already. |
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| 18:17.30 | Osagasu | There won't be any place to expand to, unless you use psuedo buttons, which won't be possible. |
| 18:17.36 | Mery | I mean it couldn't show / hide buttons (those when you mouseover or right click I don't remeber) while in combat, but out of combat it would still be exactly the same |
| 18:17.59 | Mery | (after a recode) |
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| 18:18.40 | Osagasu | WHAT buttons? |
| 18:19.25 | Osagasu | You're telling me that the author will just be able to recode it to show buttons that don't exist in the default UI anyhow |
| 18:19.27 | Mery | oh maybe that was another addon that looked the same lol |
| 18:19.50 | Plorkyeran | You're already using 120 buttons? |
| 18:20.39 | Osagasu | well, 114 if you want to get technical. |
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| 18:21.18 | Plorkyeran | Do you have every rank of every spell you have on a button or something? |
| 18:21.31 | lacindas | youre using 114 buttons as a mage? |
| 18:21.53 | Mery | http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/1153622388Cryolysis_Sphere.jpg |
| 18:22.04 | Osagasu | I USE that already. |
| 18:22.12 | Osagasu | And it isn't spells that take up the buttons. |
| 18:22.18 | Mery | those extra buttons won't be possible to show / hide during combat |
| 18:22.51 | Plorkyeran | 32 macros, 50 spells, and 30 different consumables? |
| 18:23.03 | Osagasu | Those aren't AB buttons, they're addon frame buttons. which mean they won't work anyways. |
| 18:23.11 | Osagasu | Supermacro, Plork. |
| 18:23.39 | Plorkyeran | That won't work anymore anyways if they're casting spells |
| 18:23.48 | Plorkyeran | And if they aren't there's no reason for them to need a button |
| 18:24.22 | Mery | SecureActionButtonTemplate, protected, uses attribute "type", which can be one of "action", "pet", "spell", "item", "target", "focus", and "menu", and uses an optional attribute "unit" |
| 18:24.48 | Osagasu | And that makes no sense to me. |
| 18:25.02 | Mery | with that I assume it will be possible to create a crame that executes a spell on click |
| 18:25.08 | Mery | create* |
| 18:25.15 | Mery | create a frame* |
| 18:25.45 | Plorkyeran | At worst you could create a unitframe and abuse the clickcasting stuff |
| 18:25.59 | Plorkyeran | And have the unitframe happen to look like a spell icon |
| 18:26.27 | Mery | I don't think the Secrue Template have any "look" by default |
| 18:27.02 | Plorkyeran | The ButtonTemplate may require a button id |
| 18:27.02 | Iriel | Even if it did, we could reconfigure it programatically |
| 18:27.10 | Mery | yeah |
| 18:27.19 | Plorkyeran | It's really not a problem in any way, though |
| 18:27.29 | Iriel | There seems to be increased support for actionless spell casting |
| 18:27.44 | Iriel | though without a range check that may be limited somewhat |
| 18:28.55 | Plorkyeran | You only really need one of each spell range on a button for that, though |
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| 18:29.48 | Iriel | Plorkyeran: true |
| 18:31.16 | Arrowmaster | are these secure templates going to work like CreateFrame()? |
| 18:31.35 | Plorkyeran | They'll work like templates |
| 18:31.45 | Plorkyeran | So you could use them with CreateFrame if you wanted to |
| 18:32.04 | Arrowmaster | so would it get past the 120 action button limit? |
| 18:32.19 | Arrowmaster | if it would then it sounds like it could be very useful |
| 18:32.22 | End | also, you can inherit multiple templates now |
| 18:32.33 | End | which works perfectly for this |
| 18:33.02 | Plorkyeran | The 120 button limit is basically irrelevant |
| 18:34.04 | Arrowmaster | because you could create your own secureactionbuttonframes and add spells to them ala groupbuttons? |
| 18:34.41 | Plorkyeran | Yes, and even if you couldn't, you could create secure unit frames and use the clickcasting stuff |
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| 18:38.02 | Mikk | Ehm, gogo 100dps lvl 23 feral druid? o.O |
| 18:38.07 | Mikk | My pally does that on 60 :< |
| 18:38.53 | Shrike| | anyone build a table using EarthTableTemplate? I have a problem with the table header format (I think) |
| 18:38.57 | Industrial | Thought I had a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=1935 but instead it was http://www.wowhead.com/?item=2205 :( |
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| 18:39.45 | Plorkyeran | One level too high to be incredibly valuable :P |
| 18:40.22 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:41.34 | Industrial | im trying to get me one by running through that instance again and again and again |
| 18:41.49 | Industrial | im killing everything tho so its like2g per run plus nice enchanting materials |
| 18:42.04 | Industrial | I have the time :P |
| 18:42.31 | lacindas | Id: lol |
| 18:50.42 | Industrial | Anyone else play on Dethecus? |
| 18:51.32 | gnorlish | if by dethecus you mean skullcrusher US |
| 18:51.34 | gnorlish | then yes |
| 18:51.56 | Arrowmaster | hmm now i see another problem with these new UI changes, if you recreate an MT targets list by assigning a unitframe to something like raid4target like slouken says you can, the frames will be completely fucked up if you change groups in combat or somebody enters or leaves the raid while your in combat |
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| 19:06.23 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: indeedly |
| 19:07.36 | Mikk | It'd help a lot if the client guaranteed that a given raidid remained the same for any given character as long as they don't leave the raid |
| 19:07.47 | Mikk | (Yes, this would create gaps. There must be ways to make that not hurt) |
| 19:08.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think only being able to adjust "mt lists" out of combat would be acceptable but having that list change due to somebody leaving the raid would be a disaster |
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| 19:09.37 | Mikk | Very |
| 19:11.54 | Mikk | And group changes during combat do happen. Priests being shuffled around during Vael, anyone? |
| 19:12.23 | Arrowmaster | *sigh* heh indirect conformation from slouken that unstable affliction is useless with a cast time... |
| 19:12.27 | Arrowmaster | "Is it currently possible or planned that the curing/dispelling interface be tweaked so that dispellers can choose which debuff to remove (I believe it currently removes the last applied debuff?). Or if not, is there some sort of curing priority system in the works (kind of like the debuff priority system)?" |
| 19:12.35 | Arrowmaster | "Not as far as I know, and I think this is by design." |
| 19:13.48 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 19:13.54 | ckknight | hey, Cairenn |
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| 19:37.38 | jaxdahl | join #wowace |
| 19:37.44 | jaxdahl | forgot the / |
| 19:38.06 | deci | we forgive you |
| 19:38.09 | deci | this time... |
| 19:38.11 | jaxdahl | so anyone come up with a grid style emergency monitor? |
| 19:38.47 | jaxdahl | hmm, looks like it |
| 19:38.48 | jaxdahl | http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/948/grid1kh9.jpg |
| 19:39.59 | Mikk | yuck |
| 19:40.33 | jaxdahl | it's a start |
| 19:40.34 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2525.0 |
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| 19:52.34 | abug | QQ |
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| 19:59.01 | abug | Is Iriel gonna update his post for the new changes? |
| 20:01.08 | Mery | yes (he always does it) |
| 20:02.11 | abug | ah good, beats going through slouken's posts |
| 20:04.17 | Mery | blue.cardplace.com =) |
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| 20:06.15 | abug | hmm that's a little better, but it's much easier to read a summary |
| 20:06.45 | Mery | agreed |
| 20:18.57 | Shrike| | is it possible to hook functions in the blizzard UI, such as ContainerFrameItemButton_OnClick? |
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| 20:22.31 | Mery | should be (at least if they don't call protected functions) |
| 20:23.06 | Shrike| | i guess then a: that function isn't being called when i think it should, or b: my hook is wrong :) |
| 20:24.09 | Mery | if you don't get an error then yes |
| 20:24.42 | Shrike| | i basically want to grab the ID of an item when it is picked up with the mouse...any ideas how? |
| 20:25.08 | Mery | (never did anything like that, sorry) |
| 20:25.22 | Shrike| | ok :) |
| 20:32.28 | End | ugh, I just realized you can't do totem mods (like call of elements) in the xpac |
| 20:32.54 | End | totems are awfully unwieldy |
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| 20:42.27 | abug | all guardians are quite unwieldly |
| 20:43.32 | End | well...the problem with totems is there so many |
| 20:43.55 | End | granted, you only use a few usually |
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| 20:58.09 | Cairenn | or just read the front page news thread on wowi, it's all summerized there |
| 20:58.24 | deci | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32184798&pageNo=1&sid=1#10 |
| 21:01.04 | ag` | this is my team |
| 21:01.05 | ag` | http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/20/teamgb0.jpg |
| 21:01.06 | ag` | :) |
| 21:01.32 | abug | Cairenn: hmm that's just tyren's random musing, is there something more comprehensive? |
| 21:01.40 | Cairenn | abug, no it isn't |
| 21:01.42 | Cairenn | READ it |
| 21:01.54 | Cairenn | Full details below (as posted by Slouken in this thread). |
| 21:02.11 | abug | I've read through that thread |
| 21:03.01 | Cairenn | the front page is the announcement by Tyren, the follow up post is the full details |
| 21:03.40 | abug | ah in the thread |
| 21:03.49 | abug | gotcha |
| 21:03.54 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:03.57 | Cairenn | yeah ... |
| 21:04.05 | zenzelezz | "TLDR" |
| 21:04.17 | Cairenn | TSII |
| 21:04.22 | abug | thought you meant the warcraft forums thread |
| 21:04.31 | End | hmm |
| 21:04.38 | End | I wonder what the type "menu" is |
| 21:04.48 | End | for SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 21:06.13 | abug | He doesn't say anything about RunBinding(), is it assumed that it won't work in combat from addons? |
| 21:06.50 | End | probably |
| 21:09.55 | Cairenn | abug: changed the front page post a bit, is it easier to understand now? |
| 21:10.27 | abug | much better, thank you |
| 21:10.49 | Cairenn | You're welcome. Sorry it wasn't clear before. |
| 21:11.39 | Shrike| | does anyone know which UI function is called when an item is picked up? |
| 21:15.13 | Xuerian | Function? None in particular. Event is called, CHAT_MSG_LOOT |
| 21:16.33 | abug | I think he means when put on cursor |
| 21:16.53 | Xuerian | Oh. >_> |
| 21:17.11 | Shrike| | looking at another mod, might be ContainerFrameItemButton_OnClick :) |
| 21:17.46 | abug | would that get called for an empty one too? |
| 21:18.12 | Cide | PickupContainerItem maybe |
| 21:18.19 | Cide | or if that's not a function, PickupInventoryItem |
| 21:18.34 | Cide | (that's all from memory, check out wowwiki for confirmation) |
| 21:18.42 | Shrike| | will do |
| 21:19.29 | Shrike| | actually, that's not what i need...i want to grab the item that a user picks up with the mouse, PickupInvetoryItem requires you to specify which slot to pick from, I think |
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| 21:20.36 | abug | that function is hookable no? |
| 21:25.38 | Shrike| | gah this must be simple but I can't get it to work :) |
| 21:26.01 | Shrike| | i've tried hooking PickupInventoryItem with a simple function that'll print a debug message but no luck |
| 21:28.21 | abug | what've you got? |
| 21:29.23 | Shrike| | right, found that my hook is called when PickupInventoryItem is called (through LUA) but not when I pick up something with my mouse |
| 21:31.05 | Shrike| | actually it's also called when I pick up an equipped item with the mouse...getting closer :) |
| 21:31.53 | abug | does CursorHasItem() return true if you have clicked on something with your mouse? |
| 21:32.26 | Shrike| | i think that returns true when you click on something whilst holding an item with cursor |
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| 21:32.49 | Tuller | pickupinventoryitem should be hookable |
| 21:32.57 | Shrike| | yeah Tuller it is |
| 21:33.29 | Shrike| | hmm i wonder if allinoneinventory is causing a problem |
| 21:33.56 | abug | probably |
| 21:34.08 | jaxdahl | The event PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is sent before protected frames are locked down, and the event PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED is sent after protected frames are unlocked. |
| 21:34.08 | jaxdahl | You can tell whether or not a particular frame can currently be moved/resized/shown, etc. by calling Frame:CanChangeProtectedState() |
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| 21:36.31 | Shrike| | "Picks up" an item from the player's worn inventory |
| 21:36.38 | Shrike| | sigh at bad function naming |
| 21:36.41 | Shrike| | worse than PHP this |
| 21:36.58 | abug | oh yeah there's also the Container one |
| 21:39.30 | abug | isn't iriel's ring thing gonna break in the expansion? |
| 21:39.37 | abug | at least in combat |
| 21:39.44 | End | I don't see why... |
| 21:40.19 | Cairenn | no reason why it should |
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| 21:46.05 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:46.25 | End | hihi |
| 21:46.32 | Shrike| | think i have it working now - thanks for the help guys |
| 21:47.34 | Cairenn | hey ckknight |
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| 22:30.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ wth is wowshell |
| 22:31.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm browsing the chinese wow site and dont know chinese |
| 22:31.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | so this is fun |
| 22:31.48 | Industrial | http://imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_100806_0030231dc.jpg |
| 22:32.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 22:32.54 | Industrial | ^^ |
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| 22:33.21 | Xavalia | heya all |
| 22:33.26 | Industrial | lo |
| 22:33.39 | Xavalia | I am making a small mod for my guild where they can see howmuch dkp an item cost |
| 22:33.44 | Xavalia | for this I need to know the item level |
| 22:34.01 | Xavalia | I saw the BC the function getItemInfo will return this but not at this moment |
| 22:34.11 | Xavalia | is there an alternative way? |
| 22:35.39 | Xavalia | (ps.. Industrial, do you happen to be dutch?) |
| 22:35.43 | MikkTV | Xavalia: calculate it |
| 22:35.44 | MikkTV | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Item_Values |
| 22:37.52 | Xavalia | is there a way to get the item level from blizzard? seems thottbot and alakhazam are doing this.. please correct me if I am wrong here |
| 22:38.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | they use the formula afaik |
| 22:38.13 | Xavalia | ok.. |
| 22:39.12 | Xavalia | guess I have to read the tooltip now and do some parsing to get teh stuff needed for calculations.. |
| 22:39.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | using this forumla simply yields the item level, so why not just use Blizzards item level? |
| 22:39.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | erm, maybe i'm wrong then |
| 22:40.06 | Xavalia | how can I get the blizzard item level then I wonder.. |
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| 22:44.39 | Xavalia | unless I am wrong.. there is not a way to get the blizzard item level from any of thei functions |
| 22:48.23 | Kirov | Not until the next patch |
| 22:48.29 | Xavalia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.02 | AnduinLothar | GetItemInfo |
| 22:49.05 | AnduinLothar | in 2.0 |
| 22:49.09 | Xavalia | I know.. |
| 22:49.12 | Xavalia | but I need it now >.< |
| 22:49.16 | AnduinLothar | too bad |
| 22:49.23 | Kaso | why do you need it? |
| 22:49.30 | Xavalia | dkp calculation mod |
| 22:49.52 | AnduinLothar | ya auto generated dkp prices would be nice |
| 22:49.56 | Kirov | There's a mod someplace that has a database of item levels. |
| 22:49.59 | Kirov | forget where |
| 22:50.27 | Xavalia | found a list myself as well but some are listed as '(multiple)' |
| 22:50.40 | Kaso | calculate the item level from the stats of the item :> |
| 22:50.42 | Xavalia | and I do not really want to maintain that list >.< |
| 22:50.56 | Kaso | but then again wierd Equip bonuses make that hard |
| 22:51.26 | Xavalia | wish there was a way to get that info from thottbot or allakhazam ingame |
| 22:51.39 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt auto generated dkp prices get messed up on 'nolvity' items like the cthun tentical, i wouldnt think you would charge full dkp based on itemlevel for something like that |
| 22:51.41 | Xavalia | althought memory and load wise that would not be a good idea |
| 22:52.10 | Xavalia | Arrowmaster, we use fixed prices for items.. based on ilvl * modifier * instance_modifier |
| 22:52.16 | Xavalia | it is the item level that is the problem |
| 22:52.55 | Arrowmaster | ah.. so do nolvity items have ther own modifier? |
| 22:53.00 | Kaso | wouldnt it just be easier to pre-calculate the prices then hold that as a database in your addon |
| 22:53.28 | Xavalia | I am thinking of making a database file indeed now just for the items that a dkp price |
| 22:54.15 | Xavalia | but then a bit more dynamic.. as in only ilvl and the instace abbrevation which it is dropped in |
| 22:54.21 | Xavalia | in which the script does the rest |
| 22:54.44 | Shrike| | silly question: anyone know the RGB for 'epic' items? |
| 22:55.04 | Xavalia | you can get that from ingame function afaik |
| 22:55.24 | Kaso | its in ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS |
| 22:55.56 | Vanesco | hey guys.. i've messed abit about with lua/xml mods for wow now.. but i can't seem to figure out the logics in creating a simple drow down menu, any help to get here? |
| 22:55.58 | Xavalia | and it is in the ItemLink string type as well |
| 22:57.24 | Shrike| | GetItemQualityColor too :) |
| 22:57.33 | Kaso | ha |
| 22:57.37 | Kaso | its all over the place! |
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| 22:57.42 | Xavalia | indeed :> |
| 23:02.35 | Cairenn | oh, oh, gotta love this quote! "Anybody whose into modding or working with the LUA won't buy BC because of this." |
| 23:03.07 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32154765&pageNo=1&sid=1#13 |
| 23:03.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | does anyone know korean? |
| 23:03.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'd really like to know what the hell is going on in this comic |
| 23:03.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/community/cartoon/09.html |
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| 23:04.45 | Xavalia | Cairenn, ? |
| 23:05.43 | Kirkburn | Xavalia, the comment she linked made no sense whatsoever :P |
| 23:06.41 | Xavalia | rofl ok |
| 23:09.12 | Mery | lol I just read that too Cairenn |
| 23:09.24 | Cairenn | it's just hilarious |
| 23:09.41 | Cairenn | how many of you aren't going to buy the expansion because of the changes to the UI stuff? |
| 23:10.01 | Cairenn | seems to me I'm looking at a channel full of authors that will still be playing, and modding |
| 23:10.12 | Nightdew | it crossed my mind briefly lol ;) |
| 23:10.13 | Mery | well I for one love the changes |
| 23:10.28 | Kirov | I refuse to buy the expansion! ... but then I might be able to get it for free. |
| 23:10.51 | deci | "I CAN'T PUSH 1 BUTTON AND KILL PVE MOBS, GOODBYE BLIZZARD, I WONT MISS YOU" |
| 23:11.44 | Xavalia | rofl |
| 23:11.49 | deci | lol |
| 23:12.01 | End | Even if doing ui stuff disinterests me in the expansion, I still plan on hitting level 70 :P |
| 23:12.26 | Kirov | Anyone know of a mod that would cuase someone's combat log to get spammed with "over heal" messages from everyone in the raid? |
| 23:12.41 | Cairenn | "I'll see your generalized statement and raise you an entire IRC channel filled with mod authors that say that they *won't* be quitting because of the changes." |
| 23:13.08 | Arrowmaster | i just hope the major mod authors get enough time in the beta to rewrite most the popular actionbutton and unitframe mods before the release |
| 23:13.09 | abug | it's not like buying the expansion will prevent the changes from affecting you anyway, it's getting patched into vanilla as well |
| 23:13.27 | End | anyways, I suspect I'll still be doing ui stuff anyways |
| 23:14.58 | End | (the only thing that would keep me from buying the expansion is price, but I doubt that'd be an issue either) |
| 23:18.25 | Rallion | Man, the world is forcing me to spend WAY too much money on video games in the next few months. FORCING ME, I tell you! |
| 23:18.51 | jaxdahl | me |
| 23:18.52 | End | lol |
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| 23:21.58 | abug | I pity the people who paid for rdx6, they're going to lose some functionality |
| 23:22.15 | End | some |
| 23:22.24 | Mikma | i pity the idiots who pay for rdx |
| 23:22.54 | End | I never saw what the big deal was with rdx |
| 23:23.19 | Kirov | You have to pay for it, i _must_ be better than everything else. |
| 23:23.21 | Kirov | duh |
| 23:23.25 | End | heh |
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| 23:23.35 | End | oh yeah, of -course- it works that way |
| 23:23.40 | End | btw |
| 23:23.42 | Kirov | Sorry, was that too synical? |
| 23:23.52 | End | I am selling my services for $10000/hr |
| 23:23.57 | Kirov | mesa spel baad |
| 23:24.06 | abug | are you female end? |
| 23:24.11 | End | no |
| 23:24.12 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:24.17 | End | I didn't mean services that way! |
| 23:24.21 | End | or did I.... |
| 23:24.26 | End | o_O |
| 23:24.42 | Cide | what's your rate, Cairenn? |
| 23:24.47 | End | lol |
| 23:25.28 | abug | lots of big meat in cabbage sauce or something |
| 23:30.51 | Mery | good night |
| 23:30.58 | Cairenn | night Mery |
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| 23:50.44 | Xavalia | ermm maybe wrong place to ask.. but how can I see if an table is empty or not? |
| 23:51.20 | Xuerian | if table.getn(table) == 0 or not table then |
| 23:51.20 | Cide | if ( not next(table) ) then -- empty |
| 23:51.27 | Xuerian | Or.. that >_> |
| 23:51.40 | Xavalia | thanx |
| 23:51.42 | Tuller | table.getn shouldn't always be reliable, I think |
| 23:51.57 | Cide | it is if you have integer indices from 1 to n |
| 23:52.02 | Xavalia | well I have a db table here where every element has a table.. |
| 23:52.08 | Cide | but if you do, you might as well use if ( not table[1] ) then |
| 23:52.14 | Xavalia | the table retrieved either exist or not.. |
| 23:52.27 | Xavalia | so I am gonna do an empty check on it |
| 23:52.30 | Wobin | Cide's is the quickest =) |
| 23:53.21 | Xavalia | index are names |
| 23:53.28 | Cide | then use next |
| 23:53.45 | Xavalia | I cannot use if ( not table[name] ) then ? |
| 23:53.54 | Cide | you can, if you know the index |
| 23:54.52 | Xavalia | I retrieve the table based on the index (tables inside a table) |
| 23:54.57 | Xavalia | so I can check if that exist then |
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