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| 00:00.18 | Kaso | or if you like i can send you an addon which i wrote that does a similar thing, it plays sounds when you win an auction |
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| 00:01.39 | Kaso | Attacus ? |
| 00:03.03 | Mery | good night |
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| 00:03.34 | Warla | howdy |
| 00:03.41 | Cairenn | hi Warla |
| 00:03.49 | Warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/rep.jpg |
| 00:03.53 | Warla | check this out ^^ |
| 00:04.22 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 00:04.41 | Josh_Borke | btw, is there a level cap in the beta? |
| 00:04.48 | Kaso | 67 |
| 00:04.52 | Cairenn | Josh_Borke: 67 |
| 00:04.56 | Josh_Borke | ok, that's what i thought |
| 00:05.02 | Cairenn | unless they've bumped it from alpha to beta |
| 00:05.24 | MikkZzz | Warla: That screenshot lacks a /played command + response at the bottom :-P |
| 00:05.27 | Kaso | Warla what's that |
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| 00:05.38 | Warla | my rep ^^ |
| 00:05.43 | Warla | heh |
| 00:05.51 | Cairenn | evening ckknight |
| 00:05.52 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:05.57 | Kaso | isnt Shen'dralar impossible? |
| 00:06.02 | Warla | played is 293 days 13 hours 43 mins 26 secs |
| 00:06.13 | Warla | no shen dralar is possible |
| 00:06.13 | Warla | turnin 210 librams |
| 00:06.20 | Xuerian | o_o |
| 00:06.29 | ckknight | Cairenn, you forget ugt |
| 00:06.30 | ckknight | ~ugt |
| 00:06.32 | purl | methinks ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:06.35 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:06.36 | Warla | the only annoyance is the librams are unique |
| 00:06.39 | Warla | = 1 run per libram |
| 00:06.55 | Warla | so you make basiucally 210 DM runs to library |
| 00:07.10 | Xuerian | Geez. |
| 00:07.10 | MikkZzz | "runs"? |
| 00:07.14 | MikkZzz | you can solo to the library |
| 00:07.17 | Xuerian | (What are the round buttons in the background? >_>) |
| 00:07.25 | Josh_Borke | Warla: you seriously did that? |
| 00:07.31 | Josh_Borke | MikkZzz: i found the bug! |
| 00:07.36 | MikkZzz | oo? |
| 00:07.52 | Josh_Borke | AceAddon was calling getfenv(0) |
| 00:07.59 | MikkZzz | oh the sneaky bastidh |
| 00:08.29 | Josh_Borke | and since you aren't actually in bed/asleep. add UnitInParty() and GuildRoster() to api.lua :P |
| 00:08.48 | MikkZzz | add it yerself :-P |
| 00:08.55 | Josh_Borke | no login permissions |
| 00:09.03 | MikkZzz | well gimme a sf.net username |
| 00:09.04 | Josh_Borke | oh wow, after 8 |
| 00:09.10 | Josh_Borke | i'll do it tomorrow |
| 00:09.13 | Josh_Borke | ciao for now all |
| 00:09.30 | Xuerian | Cya Josh_Borke :P |
| 00:09.48 | Cairenn | later Josh_Borke |
| 00:12.33 | Warla | MikkZzz |
| 00:12.37 | Warla | yea |
| 00:12.38 | Warla | you can solo the DM library |
| 00:12.45 | Warla | but ever made that 210 times? |
| 00:12.50 | Warla | each run = 15-20 mins |
| 00:12.52 | Warla | :-) |
| 00:12.54 | Warla | just the solo run |
| 00:13.03 | Warla | remember.. stuff is unique |
| 00:13.09 | Warla | = need to hit mailbox |
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| 00:15.12 | wereHamster | Warla, or have friend who run between DM entrance and the mailbox ;) |
| 00:18.46 | Maldivia | warla, and are there anything special about being exalted with them ? |
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| 00:38.14 | MikkZzz | Maldivia: Absolutely nothing. It is totally pointless =) |
| 00:39.40 | MikkZzz | Well, other than for being able to show off your e-Peen, obviously. |
| 00:40.11 | Cairenn | night MikkZzz |
| 00:40.23 | MikkZzz | gnite. hopefully. |
| 00:44.15 | Attacus | How do I send a whisper from my lua? |
| 00:45.23 | Kaso | SendChatMessage("Message","WHISPER",nil,"PersonToWHisperTo") |
| 00:45.47 | Attacus | ty. |
| 00:45.53 | Attacus | Can you put a delay on it? |
| 00:46.24 | Kaso | not without a) using a timing package b) Using an OnUpdate procedure |
| 00:47.16 | Attacus | Can you point me to a timing package? |
| 00:47.16 | Xuerian | AceEvent <3 (resistance is futile.) |
| 00:48.17 | Attacus | and how do I test my addon without restarting wow? /console reloadui? |
| 00:48.30 | Xuerian | Yep, and getting link >.> |
| 00:48.44 | Kaso | anything but toc chages |
| 00:48.57 | Xuerian | Anything but files that didn't exist when wow was launched |
| 00:49.07 | Xuerian | You can change anything to your heart's desire :P |
| 00:49.08 | Kaso | also, get a /rl addon, you'll go crazy typing out /console reloadui |
| 00:49.31 | Xuerian | haha, I started trying to log in with "console" "reloadui" :P... get DevTools from Wowinterface.com |
| 00:49.40 | Xuerian | not only does it include /reload, it has /dump, which is invaluble |
| 00:49.58 | MentalPower | Timing AddOns: AceEvent, Metrognome, Chronos, Timex and good ol' <OnUpdate> |
| 00:50.14 | [floyd] | /dump is teh <3! |
| 00:50.24 | Xuerian | Haha, amen [floyd]. |
| 00:50.29 | Kaso | yah, i think everyone in here loves /dump |
| 00:51.26 | [floyd] | Until I found DevTools, development was mostly guessing. |
| 00:52.07 | Attacus | Heheh |
| 00:53.00 | Xuerian | Attacus: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceEvent-2.0 - http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceAddon-2.0 - http://wowace.com/files/Ace2/ as for AceEvent. :) |
| 00:53.57 | Attacus | I was just about to ask. |
| 00:53.57 | ckknight | I recommend AceEvent |
| 00:53.58 | Attacus | thanks. |
| 00:54.04 | ckknight | granted, I tend to be the author |
| 00:54.21 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:54.42 | Xuerian | Other methods work equally well, but we are the borg^H^H^H(etc)ace is win. |
| 00:54.47 | ckknight | AceEvent:ScheduleEvent(SendChatMessage, 0.5, "Message", "WHISPER", nil, "Person") |
| 00:55.12 | ckknight | wait |
| 00:55.18 | ckknight | AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0"):ScheduleEvent(SendChatMessage, 0.5, "Message", "WHISPER", nil, "Person") |
| 00:55.20 | ckknight | there it is |
| 00:56.17 | Xuerian | Unless you add AceEvent to your addon class, then it's just youraddonobject:ScheduleEvent(....) :) |
| 00:56.32 | ckknight | that is true. |
| 00:56.39 | Attacus | wait wait wait |
| 00:56.44 | Attacus | slowdown a sec let me install it first |
| 00:56.51 | Xuerian | XD |
| 00:57.06 | Attacus | Im new to this. |
| 00:57.08 | ckknight | hehe |
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| 01:07.58 | Attacus | ok so i have AddOns\Ace2\AceEvent-2.0 installed... now how do I delay my whisper by 5 seconds? |
| 01:10.51 | Xuerian | Assuming AceEvent loads, just the line ckknight pasted earlier |
| 01:11.09 | ckknight | AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0"):ScheduleEvent(SendChatMessage, 5, "Message", "WHISPER", nil, "Person") |
| 01:11.30 | Attacus | Awesome let me try it out. |
| 01:11.34 | Xuerian | Wait, did tekk change Ace2 to LoD..? |
| 01:12.48 | Xuerian | Nah, would've been retarded. Nevermind me :P |
| 01:13.11 | ckknight | yes, he did |
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| 01:18.19 | Attacus | Annnnnnnnnd the delay works. |
| 01:18.27 | Attacus | AWesome guys, thanks alot for the help. |
| 01:18.49 | Xuerian | Glad to spread the fun luv. :P |
| 01:20.22 | AnduinLothar | like a virus |
| 01:20.45 | Xuerian | wii r t3h b0rg. > |
| 01:20.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i love that bug |
| 01:21.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | the persistant aoe effects bug after having an uptime of over a month |
| 01:23.01 | Kaso | i should try replicating that some time |
| 01:23.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's fun |
| 01:23.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes the little splashes in water repeat too |
| 01:23.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it looks like a mob of hungry fish attacking the surface |
| 01:24.25 | Kaso | i usually hybernate my PC at night, does that count as contiunal uptime or not |
| 01:24.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | during that time it's hibernating, no |
| 01:25.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | hibernating shuts the pc down and stores everything in RAM to hard drive |
| 01:25.24 | Kaso | but i mean, on for 12 hours off for 12 on for another12, is 24 of uptime |
| 01:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 01:25.48 | Kirkburn | Anyone got on the beta yet then? :) |
| 01:26.33 | Kirkburn | (by which I mean logged in, of course) |
| 01:28.50 | Kaso | 720 more hours of uptime i need :> |
| 01:30.29 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:30.37 | Kirkburn | G'night all |
| 01:30.50 | Tain | I'd have lots of uptime if it weren't for moving 3 times in six months |
| 01:31.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | damnit |
| 01:31.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | now my pc's bluescreening on startup |
| 01:31.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit dammit dammit |
| 01:32.32 | Attacus | Do I have to include a file for PlaySound(); to work? |
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| 01:33.41 | Attacus | nevermind. |
| 01:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | haHA didn't bluescreen this time |
| 01:36.11 | MentalPower | Attacus: it has to be there, yes |
| 01:36.25 | MentalPower | and it has to have been there since WoW was started |
| 01:36.34 | MentalPower | sounds added mid-session won't work |
| 01:36.44 | Attacus | No its fine I got it. |
| 01:37.10 | Iriel | And /dteventtrace is coming real soon now |
| 01:37.25 | Iriel | (Noting the earlier /dump conversation( |
| 01:42.25 | Xuerian | Nice. |
| 01:43.17 | Iriel | I suspect i'll make it require WoW 2.0 since that has a SERIOUSLY improved event delivery system |
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| 01:47.08 | chuckg | sliderFrame:SetBackdrop(tmp( |
| 01:47.12 | chuckg | What's the tmp( all about? |
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| 01:47.36 | malreth | hi! it's me, malreth! |
| 01:48.12 | Cairenn | hey malreth |
| 01:48.26 | malreth | hey Cairenn |
| 01:48.33 | Cairenn | did you repel the invaders again today? |
| 01:49.18 | malreth | i got one thread moved |
| 01:49.32 | Cairenn | cool |
| 01:49.52 | malreth | got another one actioned |
| 01:50.21 | malreth | made fun of another person |
| 01:50.29 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:51.17 | Beladona | the developers really had a fun time naming NPC's in BC |
| 01:51.32 | malreth | O RLY? |
| 01:51.37 | Cairenn | oh yeah |
| 01:51.43 | Beladona | Haris Pilton? |
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| 01:53.59 | Industrial | lol! |
| 01:59.32 | ckknight | wasn't there also a blood elf named Fashyst? |
| 02:02.35 | malreth | bah... couldn't change my pre-order for tBC at my local gamestop to the CE version |
| 02:02.56 | malreth | so imma gonna get it from amazon... |
| 02:06.02 | Attacus | Whats the wildcard command for LUA? If I want for example "Hello*"... any string that has hello at the beginning... etc |
| 02:07.21 | malreth | you want to match all strings that start with "hello"? |
| 02:08.10 | malreth | the regex for that is "^hello" |
| 02:10.22 | malreth | i get my copy of tBC on dec 5th now... |
| 02:10.25 | malreth | boo... |
| 02:10.50 | chuckg | Would anyone be willing to help me figure out some lua created frameS? |
| 02:10.52 | malreth | but at least I'll get my collector's edition pet |
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| 02:12.58 | malreth | wazzza problem, chuckie? |
| 02:13.13 | chuckg | http://wowi.pastey.net/1520 |
| 02:13.37 | chuckg | Just trying to build a frame through LUA, first time, and very simply (before I get later into the code) trying to show the frame on the screen. |
| 02:13.38 | chuckg | It's not. |
| 02:14.24 | chuckg | When in game, doing a check to see if the frame exists or to get it's center or shown yields that it is. |
| 02:14.38 | chuckg | The equivalent of what I have, I think, in XML does show properly. |
| 02:18.07 | chuckg | Ideas? |
| 02:18.13 | malreth | looking |
| 02:19.00 | malreth | so the frame doesn't appear? |
| 02:19.06 | chuckg | I see nothing. |
| 02:19.10 | chuckg | And it should be in the center of the screen |
| 02:19.27 | chuckg | An interesting note is if I click the center of the screen to move around, it doesn't "grab" like it should |
| 02:19.29 | chuckg | So the frames there even. |
| 02:19.45 | malreth | so it's not being textured correctly |
| 02:20.06 | malreth | ah... i see the problem |
| 02:20.18 | chuckg | Need \\ |
| 02:20.19 | chuckg | Right? |
| 02:20.26 | malreth | yah |
| 02:20.35 | chuckg | Just caught it:) |
| 02:20.49 | malreth | good find |
| 02:21.13 | malreth | i was thinking, "well, it's gotta be with the SetBackdrop call then" |
| 02:23.06 | chuckg | Wouldn't have found if you didn't say "ahh". |
| 02:25.21 | cladhaire | always start with :SetTexture(1,0,0), :SetAllPoints(). can't ever go wrong with it =) |
| 02:25.36 | chuckg | Yarr! |
| 02:25.38 | chuckg | There she blows. |
| 02:26.28 | malreth | good idea, clad |
| 02:27.48 | chuckg | Ok then I've some confusion between: SetBackdropColor and SetTexture. |
| 02:28.07 | chuckg | I was assuming that BackdropColor would color the area, but it looks like SetTExture is doing that. What is backddrop color doing then? |
| 02:30.53 | Beladona | sets the color of the Backdrop? |
| 02:31.15 | Beladona | IF you have a backdrop |
| 02:31.18 | chuckg | BackDrop isn't a background, which is what that means to me. |
| 02:31.32 | chuckg | At least, I don't see it. |
| 02:32.06 | Beladona | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetBackdrop |
| 02:32.10 | Beladona | its a separate element |
| 02:32.13 | Beladona | that you create |
| 02:32.22 | chuckg | I have that. |
| 02:33.03 | Beladona | SetBackdropColor tints the Backdrop file |
| 02:33.13 | Beladona | SetBackdropBorderColor tints the edgeFile |
| 02:33.52 | chuckg | Yea it's not tinting anything. |
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| 02:38.06 | malreth | what color are you tinting it? |
| 02:38.35 | chuckg | I'd like it a ~60% shade of black with a border around it. |
| 02:38.39 | chuckg | The green border is showing. |
| 02:38.45 | chuckg | The tinting inside is not. |
| 02:39.53 | malreth | self.frame:SetBackdropColor(1, 1, 1, 1) |
| 02:40.06 | malreth | try, self.frame:SetBackdropColor(.6, .6, .6, 1) |
| 02:41.13 | chuckg | Nada. |
| 02:41.50 | malreth | i'll have to dig up the original dialog backdrop file |
| 02:42.21 | chuckg | Is it not Interface\DialogFrame\UI-DialogBox-Background? |
| 02:42.22 | Beladona | chuckg |
| 02:42.25 | Beladona | green border? |
| 02:42.31 | Beladona | was it supposed to be green? |
| 02:42.32 | chuckg | The border is green, yes. |
| 02:42.34 | chuckg | Yes. |
| 02:42.40 | chuckg | It's not the border that's the problem. |
| 02:42.42 | malreth | the thing about tinting in computer graphics is you have to understand how colors mix |
| 02:42.47 | Beladona | ok, because bright green often means imcorrent file path or missing file |
| 02:42.51 | chuckg | The background color between the border is not showing. |
| 02:43.11 | chuckg | I understand how colors mix. |
| 02:43.21 | chuckg | SetBackdropColor(0, 0, 0, 1) is dead black. |
| 02:43.27 | chuckg | 1, 1, 1, 1 straight white, etc. |
| 02:43.38 | malreth | 0, 0, 0, 1 is black |
| 02:43.44 | chuckg | None of which yield a background color between the border. |
| 02:43.54 | malreth | 1, 1, 1, 1 will be whatever color the original backdrop color is |
| 02:44.16 | malreth | so if the BG graphic color is purple, tinting it with 1, 1, 1, 1 will come out purple |
| 02:44.44 | malreth | the results are multiplicative, not additive |
| 02:45.27 | malreth | do you need a more concrete example? |
| 02:45.42 | chuckg | norgs, since color is not the issue at the moment. |
| 02:45.45 | chuckg | "No" rather. |
| 02:45.58 | chuckg | Showing any tint of color yields nothing in between the bordered edge. |
| 02:46.12 | malreth | because I used to have to explain this to people in DAoC on why there could never be white dyed armor |
| 02:46.30 | chuckg | It could be pink for all I care right now :) |
| 02:47.43 | Beladona | chuckg, if there is no bg file, what is it tinting? |
| 02:47.51 | chuckg | There is a bg file.. |
| 02:47.58 | Beladona | and it shows BEFORE you tint? |
| 02:48.10 | chuckg | What shows? |
| 02:48.20 | Beladona | the texture you used for the bgFile, is it transparent? |
| 02:48.38 | malreth | the texture file is translucent... |
| 02:48.45 | chuckg | ^^^ |
| 02:48.46 | malreth | i just loaded it up in Gimp |
| 02:48.58 | chuckg | It's just a file to lay color on. |
| 02:49.05 | Beladona | so if it isn't showing in the first place, then it probably isn't loading |
| 02:49.17 | Beladona | which means you are coloring nothing |
| 02:49.42 | Beladona | can you paste the SetBackdrop line here? |
| 02:49.51 | malreth | the UI-DialogBox-Background.blp is a completely black image with 3% alpha |
| 02:49.59 | malreth | which is why you can't tint it |
| 02:49.59 | Beladona | yeah, I know of it |
| 02:50.18 | Beladona | but he said there isn't anything |
| 02:50.28 | malreth | oh... |
| 02:50.38 | chuckg | self.frame:SetBackdrop({ |
| 02:50.38 | chuckg | bgFile = "Interface\\DialogFrame\\UI-DialogBox-Background", tile = true, tileSize = 20, |
| 02:50.38 | chuckg | edgeFile = "Interface\\DialogFrame\\UI-DialogBox-Border", edgeSize = 20, |
| 02:50.38 | chuckg | insets = {left = 30, right = 30, top = 30, bottom = 30}, |
| 02:50.39 | chuckg | }) |
| 02:50.40 | chuckg | Is what I'm using. |
| 02:51.13 | Beladona | try to replace all the \\ with / |
| 02:51.26 | chuckg | The edgefiles are showing fine. |
| 02:51.33 | malreth | he's got the file right |
| 02:51.34 | chuckg | Which indicates, to me, that the \\ is right.. |
| 02:51.46 | Beladona | both work then |
| 02:51.49 | malreth | chuckg: can you utake a screenshot and post it on imageshack or something |
| 02:51.55 | ckknight | yea, \\ is the proper way for WoW |
| 02:52.04 | malreth | i think there's just some miscommunication going on |
| 02:52.04 | Beladona | not always |
| 02:52.46 | malreth | in any case... |
| 02:52.59 | malreth | that backdrop background file... |
| 02:53.03 | malreth | can't be tinted |
| 02:53.18 | Beladona | you can fake it though by adding a texture on top of it with color and an alpha |
| 02:53.21 | malreth | because you cannot tint a black graphic |
| 02:53.30 | chuckg | That's how I've done it before Bela. |
| 02:53.37 | chuckg | I wanted to avoid creating an unncessary frame/texture. |
| 02:53.44 | malreth | the better solution is to use a different backdrop file |
| 02:53.48 | malreth | one that *can* be tinted |
| 02:53.51 | Beladona | or make one |
| 02:54.08 | chuckg | http://chuckg.org/dump/backdrop.jpg |
| 02:54.10 | malreth | anyways, do you understand why it can't be tinted... it's an important concept |
| 02:54.16 | Beladona | Interface/Tooltips/UI-Tooltip-Background |
| 02:54.18 | chuckg | It has little to no alpha. |
| 02:54.19 | Beladona | that can be tinted no? |
| 02:54.22 | chuckg | I tried that one. |
| 02:54.28 | malreth | ah.. very nice |
| 02:54.33 | malreth | yeah, so... |
| 02:55.36 | malreth | are you still using this code? http://wowi.pastey.net/1521-3kub |
| 02:55.36 | Beladona | Interface\ChatFrame\ChatFrameBackground ?? |
| 02:55.59 | chuckg | Yea. |
| 02:57.15 | chuckg | Interface\ChatFrame\ChatFrameBackground doesn't tint out either. |
| 02:58.07 | malreth | set the tileSize for the bgFile to 32 |
| 02:58.17 | malreth | for the UI-Dialog background |
| 02:58.49 | Beladona | thats a huge inset |
| 02:59.26 | chuckg | "Interface\\DialogFrame\\UI-DialogBox-Background for this one? |
| 02:59.52 | malreth | yes... the insets are too large |
| 02:59.53 | malreth | http://wowi.pastey.net/1522 |
| 03:00.42 | chuckg | There we go! |
| 03:00.43 | Josh_Borke | hola |
| 03:01.15 | Cairenn | hi Josh_Borke |
| 03:01.22 | malreth | props to Bela... "thats a huge inset" was the cue |
| 03:01.37 | chuckg | There it is =D |
| 03:01.42 | chuckg | Thanks for the help. |
| 03:01.48 | malreth | no prob |
| 03:01.57 | Josh_Borke | my poor laptop is starting to give out on me :( |
| 03:02.08 | Josh_Borke | the power won't stay plugged in :/ |
| 03:02.09 | malreth | time to buy a MacBook, Josh_Borke |
| 03:02.21 | Josh_Borke | no money, just bought an engagement ring :D |
| 03:02.30 | malreth | you must become ooooonnnne ooooof ussssssss... |
| 03:02.47 | malreth | gah... i'm still saving for that |
| 03:03.09 | malreth | how many dollars does she love you. |
| 03:03.10 | malreth | :p |
| 03:03.17 | Josh_Borke | enough :D |
| 03:03.53 | Josh_Borke | one to rule them all? |
| 03:03.53 | Josh_Borke | one to bind them? |
| 03:06.58 | malreth | oooooonnne oooof ussssss... |
| 03:07.21 | Xuerian | If I got a mac, I'd just rip off OSX and install vista anyway. |
| 03:07.23 | Xuerian | :) |
| 03:07.35 | malreth | we did that today at work |
| 03:07.37 | Josh_Borke | truth be told, i'd get a new desktop first then a ibm ultra-lite :D |
| 03:07.41 | malreth | installed vista rc2 on a mini |
| 03:07.54 | Xuerian | How'd it run? :P |
| 03:07.56 | malreth | it worked |
| 03:08.02 | malreth | damn snappy, too |
| 03:08.04 | Xuerian | lol |
| 03:08.16 | malreth | all the fancy graphics and stuff |
| 03:08.20 | ckknight | classtime |
| 03:08.22 | Xuerian | Nice. |
| 03:08.25 | Xuerian | Have fun, ckknight :) |
| 03:08.42 | Josh_Borke | ckknight: fix the bug in AceComm! UnitInPart('player')! |
| 03:09.48 | Osagasu | any word on what old equipment is getting slots yet? |
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| 03:32.09 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 03:32.16 | Shadowed | ckk disconnected right as i had a question! :( |
| 03:34.29 | Xuerian | He went to class a while ago :P |
| 03:34.51 | Shadowed | ah |
| 03:35.02 | Shadowed | it would probably help if i showed hour in timestamps and not minutes :p |
| 03:35.13 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 03:35.28 | Xuerian | lol |
| 03:37.22 | Shadowed | well this'll be fun |
| 03:37.42 | Shadowed | have to figure out one format to use for slash commands, fubar config and titan config, without adding a bunch of extra crap! |
| 03:38.24 | Josh_Borke | ok, nn all |
| 03:38.47 | Cairenn | night Josh_Borke |
| 03:41.18 | Thunder_Child | ~night Josh_Borke |
| 03:41.19 | purl | have a good night, Josh_Borke |
| 03:42.06 | Thunder_Child | ~love purl |
| 03:42.07 | purl | If you love purl so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 03:42.59 | Thunder_Child | ~marry purl |
| 03:43.41 | Thunder_Child | ~elope purl |
| 03:44.17 | Thunder_Child | ~sex purl |
| 03:45.50 | Cairenn | ~for porn |
| 03:45.52 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 03:46.06 | Cairenn | ~sex |
| 03:46.07 | purl | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 03:46.19 | Xuerian | XD |
| 03:46.25 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki sex |
| 03:46.54 | Thunder_Child | purl takes all the fun out of it |
| 03:47.24 | Thunder_Child | ~purl |
| 03:47.26 | purl | i guess purl is a sack of gayness that gives away irc secrets by logging them, or but I'm often abused, so that may be propaganda. |
| 03:47.53 | Thunder_Child | ~omg |
| 03:47.54 | purl | hmm... omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 03:48.21 | Thunder_Child | ~Cairenn |
| 03:48.22 | purl | rumour has it, cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface.com, also EQInterface, EQ2Interface and VGInterface |
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| 03:48.44 | Thunder_Child | bah, LIES |
| 03:49.51 | Thunder_Child | ~slouken |
| 03:49.52 | purl | i heard slouken is an amazing WoW dev, or a close friend of God. |
| 03:50.14 | Thunder_Child | ~Beladona |
| 03:50.15 | purl | from memory, beladona is one of the moderators at wowinterface, and creator of http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 03:50.26 | Xuerian | Bored? |
| 03:50.39 | Thunder_Child | indeed, + i am making a list of thinkgs purl responds to |
| 03:50.45 | Thunder_Child | things* |
| 03:51.28 | Thunder_Child | ~hurt Thunder_Child |
| 03:51.29 | purl | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on Thunder_Child's hands, laughing all the while |
| 03:51.42 | Thunder_Child | ~pain Thunder_Child |
| 03:52.02 | Thunder_Child | ~slap Thunder_Child |
| 03:52.04 | purl | ACTION slaps Thunder_Child, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 03:52.14 | Thunder_Child | ~quip |
| 03:52.30 | Thunder_Child | ~phrase |
| 03:52.43 | Thunder_Child | ~slang |
| 03:52.45 | purl | A powerful interpreted language. URL: http://space.mit.edu/~davis/slang.html |
| 03:53.02 | Thunder_Child | ~chicken |
| 03:53.03 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, chicken is http://kellari.org/other/linux/wanted.jpg , or free-food for all!, or a language, or (Gallus gallus) is a type of domesticated bird which is often raised as a type of poultry. It is believed to be descended from the wild Asian Red Junglefowl. |
| 03:53.11 | Thunder_Child | ~chicken Thunder_Child |
| 03:53.12 | purl | ACTION knocks Thunder_Child into the next dimension with a rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle. |
| 03:53.32 | Beladona | FYI, changes thread updated by Iriel |
| 03:53.34 | Beladona | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595 |
| 03:53.48 | Thunder_Child | ~Iriel |
| 03:53.50 | purl | from memory, iriel is in fact correct :) |
| 03:54.17 | Thunder_Child | ~death Thunder_Child |
| 03:54.18 | Iriel | now that is amusing |
| 03:54.33 | Thunder_Child | but true |
| 03:54.36 | Thunder_Child | ~death |
| 03:54.37 | purl | hmm... death is what happens when you don't /msg, or the opposite of life |
| 03:54.55 | Thunder_Child | ~kill Thunder_Child |
| 03:54.56 | purl | ACTION shoots a pseudopositrino gun at Thunder_Child |
| 03:55.16 | Thunder_Child | ~kill |
| 03:55.36 | Thunder_Child | ~hate Thunder_Child |
| 03:55.43 | Thunder_Child | ~hate |
| 03:55.45 | purl | methinks hate is opposite of love (see love) |
| 03:55.50 | Thunder_Child | ~love |
| 03:55.51 | purl | If you love <insert item> so much, why don't you marry it |
| 03:55.57 | Osagasu | any word on what old equipment is getting slots yet?" |
| 03:57.32 | Thunder_Child | ~Osagasu |
| 03:57.33 | purl | hmm... osagasu is The annoying troll from the WoW forums who honestly means well, a small time writer and dabbler in world creation, whos life works are on display at http://kronusoverlord.deviantart.com/, as well as an avid roleplayer. |
| 03:58.31 | Thunder_Child | whomever is programing purl needs to keep "," out of the link |
| 03:58.47 | Thunder_Child | ~Xuerian |
| 03:59.24 | Osagasu | purl |
| 03:59.57 | Thunder_Child | ~ckknight |
| 03:59.59 | purl | ckknight is, like, awesome |
| 04:00.05 | Osagasu | ~osagasu |
| 04:00.07 | purl | well, osagasu is -deleted by player's request- |
| 04:00.47 | fox689_ | ~fox689 |
| 04:01.12 | fox689_ | ~bottreat |
| 04:01.20 | fox689_ | ~botsnack |
| 04:01.20 | purl | fox689_: aw, gee |
| 04:01.44 | fox689 | ~botsnack |
| 04:01.44 | purl | fox689: thanks |
| 04:02.31 | Thunder_Child | ~date |
| 04:02.32 | purl | It is now 2006.10.13 4:02:32 GMT |
| 04:02.37 | Thunder_Child | ~date purl |
| 04:02.52 | Thunder_Child | ~time |
| 04:02.54 | purl | 2006.10.13 4:02:54 GMT |
| 04:03.04 | Thunder_Child | ~die |
| 04:03.06 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:03.06 | Beladona | guys |
| 04:03.21 | Beladona | enough purl molesting lol |
| 04:03.38 | Thunder_Child | then can i get a copy to practace on? |
| 04:04.00 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: .... |
| 04:04.06 | Xuerian | Just msg purl. |
| 04:04.10 | Thunder_Child | doesnt work |
| 04:04.53 | Xuerian | Um. |
| 04:05.55 | Xuerian | */msg purl seen Thunder_Child: thunder_child is currently on #wowi-lounge (20h 49m 14s). Has said a total of 91 messages. Is idling for 39s, last said: 'doesnt work'. |
| 04:06.04 | Xuerian | :) |
| 04:06.28 | Thunder_Child | maybe it's the trillian |
| 04:06.41 | Xuerian | Should pop up in a IM window |
| 04:06.46 | Xuerian | Works on Miranda-IM :) |
| 04:07.08 | Thunder_Child | i get no response |
| 04:07.20 | Xuerian | weird |
| 04:07.41 | Thunder_Child | and if i do "/msg" from here i get [10/12/2006 - 21:06] *** -> -purl- ~hello |
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| 04:23.00 | jaxdahl | hmm |
| 04:23.12 | jaxdahl | i want to automatically /gremove people who say a certain catchphrase i guild chat |
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| 05:04.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=0zLZxGMsfrdi0stVx0z |
| 05:04.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | = godly |
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| 05:15.13 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 05:23.49 | Thunder_Child | ~hello ckknight |
| 05:23.59 | ckknight | hey Thunder_Child |
| 05:24.06 | Thunder_Child | ~sad Thunder_Child |
| 05:24.21 | Thunder_Child | purl is of duty tonight |
| 05:24.24 | Thunder_Child | off* |
| 05:24.57 | Cairenn | welcome back ckknight |
| 05:30.14 | Corrodias | what... nature's grasp is a buff you have to cast? |
| 05:30.29 | Shadowed | yes |
| 05:30.34 | Shadowed | Anyone worked with dewdrop before? |
| 05:31.08 | Thunder_Child | ckknight wrote it i belive |
| 05:31.17 | ckknight | true |
| 05:31.19 | Shadowed | oh, he's here! |
| 05:31.20 | ckknight | but I'm busy |
| 05:31.26 | Shadowed | alright |
| 05:31.41 | Corrodias | hah |
| 05:32.37 | Thunder_Child | ~bad ckknight |
| 05:32.39 | purl | Bad ckknight, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 05:32.43 | ckknight | wtf, guy |
| 05:33.17 | Thunder_Child | ? |
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| 05:55.35 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 05:56.56 | Thunder_Child | ~night Cairenn|sleep |
| 05:56.58 | purl | have a good night, Cairenn|sleep |
| 05:59.09 | Shadowed | ckknight: When you have a second let me know, have a quick dewdrop + fubar question |
| 05:59.21 | ckknight | I need an hour or so |
| 05:59.44 | Shadowed | np no rush |
| 06:01.04 | jaxdahl | did you see this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=34&sid=1#665 |
| 06:01.50 | Shadowed | He posted those a few months back if i remember right |
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| 06:22.29 | tyroney | Didn't someone mention downloadable 2.0 frame_xml someplace? I'm getting down to the nitty gritty fixing my A-#1 mod. |
| 06:27.12 | Xuerian | wdn.wowinterface.com, isn't it? |
| 06:28.33 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 06:29.08 | Shadowed | is there something special you have to do with addons that use I guess it's objects to store functions instead of individual functions? if that makes any sense |
| 06:29.27 | Shadowed | as in SCT:Test VS SCT_Test |
| 06:45.01 | tyroney | Darn. Can't trick the extractor into unpacking the beta data. |
| 06:45.32 | Xuerian | Why not just use winmpq to extract expansion.mpq...? |
| 06:45.48 | tyroney | It can't. I tried. |
| 06:45.57 | Xuerian | They protected it? 0_o |
| 06:46.42 | tyroney | Detail: expansion.MPQ has no interface items, and common.MPQ won't be opened. |
| 06:46.48 | tyroney | (common is the bigger one) |
| 06:47.02 | Xuerian | Open the localized ones. |
| 06:47.26 | Xuerian | It was mentioned the folder structure got moved around. Explore. |
| 06:47.37 | tyroney | Aha! |
| 06:47.46 | tyroney | Now go get some well-deserved sleep. |
| 06:48.58 | Thunder_Child | ~night Xuerian|sleep |
| 06:49.00 | purl | have a good night, Xuerian|sleep |
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| 06:55.03 | ckknight | hey all |
| 06:55.07 | ckknight | how's everyone doing? |
| 06:55.46 | chuckg | Trying to figure out why standby is not an option in my ace console! |
| 06:56.03 | chuckg | Debug and about are available, but standby seems to have left the building. |
| 06:56.51 | ckknight | do you have AceDB mixed in? |
| 06:56.58 | ckknight | that provides the standby option |
| 06:57.04 | chuckg | No. |
| 06:57.11 | chuckg | I'm not saving any information. |
| 06:57.31 | chuckg | So I'll have to include an entire library just to allow disable/enable through my slash commands? |
| 07:00.12 | ckknight | enabling/disabling is part of AceDB |
| 07:00.25 | ckknight | if you want to make your own standby option, that's perfectly fine. |
| 07:01.24 | chuckg | I'm still at a loss as to why it's a part of a database library... |
| 07:01.37 | ckknight | it's not as if enabling/disabling is something sacred, it's just that AceDB provides it, since it saves the value (and it doesn't make _too_ much sense as to why you'd have to disable every time) |
| 07:01.40 | chuckg | Would it not be better suited for the base AceAddon, the console, or anything? |
| 07:01.44 | ckknight | no |
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| 07:01.56 | ckknight | disabling is meant to be part of AceDB |
| 07:02.01 | ckknight | everything is "enabled" by default |
| 07:02.13 | ckknight | and enabling with Ace2 is different than it is with wow |
| 07:02.17 | ckknight | it just puts it in a dormant state |
| 07:02.30 | chuckg | What does /ace2 disable addonname do then? |
| 07:02.35 | chuckg | Is that different than standby? |
| 07:02.38 | ckknight | very |
| 07:02.42 | ckknight | it disables on the wow level |
| 07:02.51 | chuckg | Still calls OnDisable? |
| 07:02.53 | ckknight | but it is horribly unlikely that you'd want a temporary disable (to be reenabled on relog) |
| 07:02.56 | ckknight | no, chuckg |
| 07:03.02 | ckknight | it just doesn't load next relog |
| 07:03.24 | chuckg | Guess I'll just include AceDB then. :| |
| 07:04.23 | chuckg | Thanks for the help. |
| 07:04.33 | ckknight | well, will people be putting your addon into standby? |
| 07:04.38 | ckknight | gotta ask that |
| 07:04.41 | chuckg | Yes. |
| 07:04.45 | chuckg | Me. |
| 07:04.49 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:04.56 | ckknight | and not just disabling it on the wow level? |
| 07:05.00 | chuckg | Right. |
| 07:05.06 | ckknight | alright then |
| 07:05.09 | ckknight | you need AceDB |
| 07:05.18 | chuckg | I like the ability to not have it loaded up (the frames I create) unless i need it. |
| 07:05.33 | chuckg | Which, I'm assuming, OnEnable isn't triggered unless it's out of standby; right? |
| 07:05.33 | ckknight | alright |
| 07:05.38 | ckknight | right. |
| 07:05.51 | Arrowmaster | hey chuckg you ever get vulture to finish wheeltimers? |
| 07:05.52 | chuckg | I hook a whole bunch of crafting stuff and make a muddle of it. |
| 07:05.55 | ckknight | if you log in while it's in standby, it won't call OnEnable till it's activated |
| 07:05.59 | chuckg | I definitely want the option to standby it. |
| 07:06.08 | chuckg | Haha, no Arrow. |
| 07:06.13 | chuckg | What do you need changed? |
| 07:06.30 | chuckg | He doesn't finish anything ever. |
| 07:06.42 | chuckg | It's a pity Wheeltimers is the best cast timing mod out right now. |
| 07:06.44 | Arrowmaster | nothing, was just wondering if it was in a more complete state |
| 07:07.04 | chuckg | He did some amazing stuff w/ target changing and resetting timers. |
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| 07:20.22 | Thunder_Child | carefully |
| 07:31.48 | ckknight | FuBar doesn't load tablet |
| 07:31.58 | ckknight | they aren't directly connected |
| 07:32.05 | Shadowed | er, i mean ace |
| 07:32.11 | ckknight | um |
| 07:32.14 | ckknight | embedded? |
| 07:32.19 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 07:32.25 | Shadowed | OH |
| 07:32.30 | Shadowed | Bigwigs uses tablet, thats why |
| 07:32.37 | ckknight | that'd do it |
| 07:34.31 | Shadowed | well, 3 hours later i actually have a fubar plugin >_> |
| 07:35.02 | vulture- | [02:05:57] <Arrowmaster> hey chuckg you ever get vulture to finish wheeltimers? |
| 07:35.03 | vulture- | kinda busy =/ |
| 07:35.06 | vulture- | make chuck finish it |
| 07:35.23 | vulture- | I'll give him perms to upload changes or smth |
| 07:51.33 | krka | ooh... MonoLua is cool |
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| 08:27.49 | ckknight | Shadowed, and you've come to see the light |
| 08:27.55 | ckknight | krka, hrm? what's MonoLua? |
| 08:28.20 | Shadowed | ckknight: now get people to use fubar and i'm set :p |
| 08:28.42 | ckknight | if they don't use FuBar, the plugin can still work |
| 08:28.50 | ckknight | just will put itself on the minimap instead |
| 08:29.35 | Shadowed | yeah, but people have a habit of whining |
| 08:30.19 | ckknight | tell em to use FuBar and not to use Titan if they do |
| 08:30.31 | ckknight | if they still complain, tell them to feel free to go fuck themselves |
| 08:30.38 | Shadowed | lol |
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| 08:34.29 | Shadowed | So, to include Tablet I don't need to do anything special except add a libs folder to the addon and make sure the lua file is loaded from the toc? |
| 08:34.45 | Shadowed | and Fubarplugin i suppose |
| 08:34.56 | ckknight | right. |
| 08:35.05 | Shadowed | alright thanks |
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| 08:39.23 | krka | ckknight: monospace font in editboxes |
| 08:39.34 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 08:39.39 | krka | luaslinger + monolua + faiap ftw |
| 08:39.45 | ckknight | yea, it's nice. |
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| 08:43.12 | zenzelezz | 1206 XP (603 rest XP)... for a 49 elite mob at level 56? Sounds pretty high o_O |
| 08:54.55 | Hatsuki | indeed |
| 08:55.21 | Hatsuki | at level 50 you get around 1100xp with rested from 49elite |
| 08:55.34 | Hatsuki | (those twilight dudes in searing gorge) |
| 08:58.30 | Corrodias | sigh. so he confirms that we will be stuck not having our bars automatically switch for druids prowling and hunters moving in and out of melee range |
| 09:00.02 | Iriel | he being me? 8-) |
| 09:00.34 | Corrodias | he you yes, and i hope we get something new before the expansion is released |
| 09:00.37 | Iriel | Those cross the thin line between 'UI supported' and 'UI unsupported' automation. |
| 09:01.08 | Iriel | Your best bet is petition the support forum for the stanard UI to switch on those changes, if it does it, then i'm sure the secure headers will be allowed to do it |
| 09:01.16 | Iriel | stanDard |
| 09:01.47 | Iriel | The mechanisms are in place to support such a thing, if it's ALLOWED by the designers. |
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| 09:02.51 | Iriel | Anyway, sleepytime. |
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| 09:27.47 | Corrodias | i wonder if people would be annoyed with me if i started mailing CoD's, with things they didn't ask for, for large amounts of gold |
| 09:38.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | not not nutil u make an automatic spam ppl whit COD addon for it :P |
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| 10:52.28 | Corrodias | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law |
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| 10:58.41 | Kaso | Apparently Disenchanting now needs high level to DE high level items in TBC |
| 10:59.08 | Corrodias | how annoying |
| 10:59.24 | axxo | pls tell me you can trade-disenchant then |
| 10:59.39 | Kaso | i dont know |
| 10:59.57 | Kaso | but im seriously considering dumping herb quickly to DE my bank |
| 11:00.29 | Corrodias | herbalism takes some time to get back up |
| 11:00.31 | zenzelezz | "okay, before we start this raid... does anyone have 350 enchanting?" |
| 11:00.35 | axxo | i dumped 300 tailoring for DE, since i found herb such a pain to lvl :p |
| 11:00.43 | zenzelezz | not that long Corrodias |
| 11:00.48 | Corrodias | tis not nearly as fast as skinning, at least |
| 11:01.02 | [Ammo] | herbalism is 6 hours or so |
| 11:01.06 | [Ammo] | from 0 to 3000 |
| 11:01.09 | [Ammo] | 300 I mean |
| 11:01.16 | [Ammo] | there are some excellent guides on the forum |
| 11:01.41 | Corrodias | i've never seen a decent herb, though, anything above plaguebloom |
| 11:01.45 | axxo | took me at least 12 |
| 11:01.48 | Corrodias | well, no. i once saw a gromsblood. |
| 11:02.05 | zenzelezz | I seem to find Dreamfoil everywhere |
| 11:02.05 | axxo | its hard to find any herb on my realm during normal hours |
| 11:02.08 | Corrodias | i know how to get maps of high level herb spawns... but they're never there for a variety of reasons |
| 11:02.23 | Corrodias | oh yeah, dreamfoil. i forgot. that's pretty easy to find. |
| 11:02.37 | axxo | dreamfoil is very hard to find |
| 11:02.43 | axxo | overfarmed to the max |
| 11:02.47 | Corrodias | not on my realm |
| 11:02.58 | axxo | must be a relative new one |
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| 11:03.10 | Kaso | i dispise herbalism to be honest |
| 11:03.14 | Corrodias | i've passed up 15-20 dreamfoil just in casual riding around, without looking for it, because i don't have the skill for it yet |
| 11:03.21 | Corrodias | in the last couple of weeks |
| 11:03.21 | Kaso | i hate spending hours without finding anything. |
| 11:03.32 | axxo | idd kaso |
| 11:03.33 | zenzelezz | you find more if you don't go looking |
| 11:03.40 | Corrodias | haha |
| 11:03.49 | zenzelezz | at least I do, it's everywhere then |
| 11:04.00 | axxo | stack of dreamfoil is 30g |
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| 11:04.14 | Corrodias | your mom is 20g |
| 11:04.37 | zenzelezz | don't think they are here |
| 11:04.41 | zenzelezz | "here" as in my server |
| 11:04.44 | axxo | and those damn ghostmushrooms |
| 11:04.55 | Corrodias | ghost mushrooms. only ever seen 4. |
| 11:05.06 | axxo | hinterlands/mauradon |
| 11:05.31 | Kaso | yah, its pretty easy to farm mushrooms in hinterlands |
| 11:05.58 | axxo | sucks to go there and fine none tho |
| 11:06.15 | Kaso | mm true |
| 11:06.24 | Corrodias | apparently they're only found in: Arathi Highlands, The Hinterlands, Dire Maul, Maraudon |
| 11:06.37 | Kaso | arathi? |
| 11:07.00 | Corrodias | must have been a mapping error. i don't see any dots. |
| 11:07.07 | Kaso | mm, they're not in arthi |
| 11:07.25 | Kaso | but as a level 60 you can usually farm mara for them without aggroing also |
| 11:07.34 | Corrodias | you're right about hinterlands, and it's pretty obvious why there aren't many! lol: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/obj-map.html?mobid=208&zoneid=2020 |
| 11:07.40 | Corrodias | really... that's interesting |
| 11:08.11 | Kaso | there's about 7 or 8 spawns in hinterlands, but they're frequently all up |
| 11:08.26 | Corrodias | what levels are the mobs in maraudon? i hear people farm there a lot, but for what i don't know |
| 11:08.44 | axxo | you can run anywhere in maraudon without aggroing any mob |
| 11:08.55 | axxo | there about 45-50 ish |
| 11:09.02 | Kaso | yah, what axxo said, when you get mushrooms, you can just run past em all |
| 11:09.15 | Corrodias | elites.. arr, i can handle one of them solo, but not if they come at me in a group |
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| 11:10.10 | axxo | i can solo all but 1 boss in mara |
| 11:10.12 | Corrodias | druid is not mister solo power :( |
| 11:10.14 | axxo | good for money too |
| 11:11.18 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 11:11.19 | Corrodias | you can solo the bosses? jesus. i have to try that once, but i can't imagine i'd succeed |
| 11:11.32 | Corrodias | i can get myself killed in SM Library if i'm not keeping my eyes open |
| 11:11.49 | Kaso | what class are you? |
| 11:11.56 | Kaso | sounds like me on my priest |
| 11:11.59 | Corrodias | druid, 20 feral and 31 restoration |
| 11:12.00 | axxo | i'm a warlock |
| 11:12.01 | zenzelezz | I got myself killed in the Stockades (on my 60 warrior) because I got over-confident :-o |
| 11:12.24 | Corrodias | stockades are just below SM in level, right? |
| 11:12.37 | zenzelezz | think it's mid-20, can't remember |
| 11:12.40 | axxo | stockades is around lvl 25 i think |
| 11:12.53 | zenzelezz | "sure, I can handly these three rooms at once" |
| 11:12.57 | zenzelezz | *handle |
| 11:12.58 | Wobin | oh and apparantly the CGFs farm Mara for the chests |
| 11:13.03 | Wobin | God knows where those chests are |
| 11:13.15 | axxo | chests in marA? |
| 11:13.17 | axxo | hmm |
| 11:13.19 | zenzelezz | they're still searching |
| 11:13.29 | zenzelezz | how long ago was that patch? Some time now |
| 11:13.37 | Corrodias | what? |
| 11:13.51 | Kaso | the chests were removed |
| 11:13.55 | Kaso | (from mar) |
| 11:14.03 | Wobin | where were they? |
| 11:15.13 | Corrodias | in mara. hah |
| 11:15.24 | zenzelezz | "Chests in Maraudon have been disabled for good." |
| 11:15.26 | zenzelezz | patch 1.9 |
| 11:15.39 | Corrodias | why would they bother to do that? easy gold? |
| 11:15.40 | axxo | they banned bots again didn't they? |
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| 11:16.42 | Wobin | Corrodias: You could /who Maradon and see 50 level 60 hunters in there |
| 11:16.56 | Wobin | (with the right zone name, naturally) |
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| 11:19.34 | Corrodias | i take it that's a yes. does this mean that people don't mass farm mara any more? |
| 11:19.58 | axxo | they don't afaik |
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| 11:20.44 | Corrodias | i love how blizzard works |
| 11:21.10 | Corrodias | they address people doing something a lot because of a lack of resources by further reducing the availability of those resources. they do it in diablo 2, also. |
| 11:23.13 | Corrodias | they made rare items even rarer, and their justification was that it was to reduce people's dependence on bots. it is just an obvious -lie-, because if anything you now need to be botting all the time to have a hope of seeing a rare item. |
| 11:24.24 | MikkZzz | ... dependence on bots? |
| 11:24.48 | Corrodias | people use bots a lot in d2 |
| 11:24.53 | Mikk | ah |
| 11:25.18 | Corrodias | either blizzard thought we would actually believe such a ridiculous idea that making the items rarer will convince them not to use bots, or they just don't care what the players think any more |
| 11:25.24 | JoshBorke | morning Mikk |
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| 11:25.37 | Mikk | morning (ugt) |
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| 11:52.02 | Mery | oh once you learn a spell the previously highest rank on your bar gets replaced with the new one, neat |
| 11:52.27 | Corrodias | wow. i would hate that. does that happen in 1.12.1 or just the expansion? |
| 11:52.28 | Galencia | is the lower rank one still available in your spellbook? |
| 11:52.39 | Mery | of course |
| 11:53.04 | Corrodias | nah, i wouldn't hate it... i only keep multiple ranks of one spell around |
| 11:53.31 | Corrodias | but my panties are still in a knot over the druid prowl, hunter melee, and other action bar switching issues related to combat |
| 11:53.33 | Galencia | thats kinda neat |
| 11:53.47 | Maldivia | it's always done that... or well, for that last several patches anyway |
| 11:54.09 | Corrodias | it has? i've never noticed it happening. i've always had to manually replace everything, using the default UI bars. |
| 11:56.05 | Maldivia | when I was levelling my latest char, in 1.10 and 1.11, it did |
| 11:57.51 | Corrodias | i'm so worked up about the hunter & druid thing... i'm almost physically out of places to put things on my action bars, and easily out of places that i can hit with key combinations without moving my hand off its place |
| 11:59.19 | Maldivia | hunters and warlocks have returned to their former self, it seems, with the expansion |
| 11:59.38 | Corrodias | former self? |
| 11:59.46 | Maldivia | overpowered :) |
| 12:00.03 | Corrodias | this implies that, at some point, they haven't been. |
| 12:01.02 | Maldivia | at release: vastly overpowered... now, beatable... expansion: vastly overpowered |
| 12:03.33 | Mikk | Mery/Corrodias: I'm levelling up a toon right now and can most definitely confirm that spells don't get replaced with their highest ranks. |
| 12:03.56 | Mikk | The only exception is abilities where you can't even use lower ranks (melee 'abilities mostly) |
| 12:04.20 | Mikk | Of course installing lern2spell fixes that =) |
| 12:04.32 | Josh_Borke | morning! |
| 12:04.36 | Maldivia | Mikk: using defualt UI, or your own action bars? |
| 12:04.52 | krka | hunters were not overpowered in 1.3 / 1.4 / 1.5, imo |
| 12:05.06 | Maldivia | krka: release is 1.0 / 1.1 |
| 12:05.28 | krka | huh? |
| 12:05.50 | krka | i need a context for that statement to understand it |
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| 12:06.44 | Maldivia | I said hunteres were overpowered at release |
| 12:12.48 | Corrodias | fantastic |
| 12:13.04 | Corrodias | now i'm completely cut off from half the internet, but it's a different subset than before |
| 12:13.46 | Kaso | hm? |
| 12:14.23 | Corrodias | seems to be fixing itself quickly... yay internet |
| 12:14.37 | Corrodias | reroute those packets, gangsta |
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| 12:15.45 | Kaso | ha ha, ive never seen packet routing linked to gangster rap :> |
| 12:15.56 | Maldivia | hmm, sometimes I'd wish WoW had a sandbox more or something, whehre you could log in and test addons, but without actually being connected to the server |
| 12:16.28 | Corrodias | arr. |
| 12:16.39 | Corrodias | best you can do is a character on a low population server |
| 12:17.38 | Maldivia | well, that doesn't work on patch days etc : |
| 12:17.52 | Maldivia | and for some reason, I always come up with ideas I need to test on patch days |
| 12:22.27 | Corrodias | wasn't there an old way of making large amounts of cash with a turnin quest of some kind that needed two warlocks, four additional people for summoning, and one or more guys who would be ported back and forth to grab and turnin the stuff? |
| 12:22.32 | Corrodias | i think it involved eggs of some kind |
| 12:23.11 | Maldivia | yep, the egg quest in gadget |
| 12:23.22 | Kaso | they fixed it didnt they |
| 12:23.23 | Maldivia | and the hyppogryphs in southern feralas |
| 12:23.31 | Maldivia | yeah, they put a timer on the eggs, I think |
| 12:23.41 | Corrodias | what do you mean, "fixed"? it wasn't exactly broken |
| 12:23.59 | Corrodias | it was a quick way to make gold, but hardly an exploit |
| 12:24.14 | Kaso | it clearly was an exloit, seeing as they prevented you from doing it |
| 12:24.17 | Corrodias | note that i'm just nitpicking your choice of word to indicate that there was something wrong with it to begin with |
| 12:24.30 | Kaso | they even emergancy disabled the quest for one patch to stop people iirc |
| 12:24.54 | Corrodias | Kaso: careful. they are planning changes to stop us from using addons that we've been using all along. does this mean my automatic bar switcher is an exploit by your definition? |
| 12:25.15 | Corrodias | you can't get ivory raptors any more. was getting them in the past an exploit? no, it was just a design change. |
| 12:25.46 | Kaso | i see your point |
| 12:26.30 | Corrodias | i'm getting too competetive, here. i apologize |
| 12:27.28 | Maldivia | ohh, they upped the num of quests to 32 |
| 12:27.42 | Maldivia | hmm, nevermind |
| 12:27.43 | Josh_Borke | the number of active quests at one time? o.O woohoo! |
| 12:27.47 | Josh_Borke | oh, wait, blast you :-P |
| 12:27.48 | Corrodias | Maldivia, we hate you |
| 12:27.59 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 12:28.54 | Maldivia | just found this constant: MAX_NUM_QUESTS = 32; |
| 12:29.26 | Kaso | ./run MAX_NUM_QUESTS=64 ! |
| 12:29.50 | Maldivia | but it's the same number in 1.12 :) |
| 12:29.51 | Mikk | mm yeah too bad you can't make that change on the server where they're actually stored :-P |
| 12:34.27 | Maldivia | Ok, they DID up the quest count... but only to 25 :) |
| 12:34.35 | Maldivia | was looking in the wrong file :) |
| 12:35.10 | zenzelezz | 5 more? Not much of an improvement :-( |
| 12:35.42 | Maldivia | +25% |
| 12:36.08 | zenzelezz | the percentage doesn't matter, 5 quests is nothing |
| 12:36.34 | Kaso | better than nothing. |
| 12:36.40 | zenzelezz | barely |
| 12:36.59 | Corrodias | it's enough for me |
| 12:37.02 | Maldivia | This is not EQ2, you're not supposed to run around with 75 quests |
| 12:37.11 | Corrodias | good god, i keep running into these situations where i'm just 3 over the limit |
| 12:37.19 | zenzelezz | I could use at least 30 |
| 12:37.35 | Corrodias | you queue up a bunch of quests for instances, but nobody's ever doing those instances, so you have to get other quests to have something to do until those people get around to running the instances |
| 12:48.23 | Mery | they disabled the quest to prevent powerleveling using this as far as I know (combined with teleport it even removed the farming of shards) |
| 12:48.34 | Mery | teleport hacks* |
| 12:49.16 | Corrodias | ...what? |
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| 12:49.51 | Mery | you teleport using some 3rd party program to the egg then back to the turn in |
| 12:50.14 | Corrodias | oh, you're talking about that again |
| 12:50.22 | Mery | ya lol |
| 12:50.32 | Corrodias | they disabled the quest to keep people from using it to powerlevel by teleporting, got it |
| 12:50.36 | Corrodias | i don't know what shard farming is |
| 12:50.40 | Beladona | hacker! |
| 12:52.01 | Mery | warlock needs a soul shard to summon a person, so they need to go and get some before they can summon |
| 12:53.06 | Mery | do battlegrounds work on the test server? |
| 12:53.36 | Mery | beta server* |
| 12:53.50 | Beladona | dunno |
| 12:53.56 | Beladona | haven't tried going to one |
| 12:54.02 | Beladona | there was too much to do in the new zones |
| 12:54.37 | Mery | I just wanted to check what (if any) continent number battlegorunds now have lol (since -1 is now cosmic) |
| 12:54.43 | Josh_Borke | lol, too much fun stuff to do? ^_^ |
| 12:55.23 | Beladona | the first zone you enter from the portal is like EPL + WPL in size |
| 12:55.34 | Beladona | and a crapload of quests |
| 12:55.35 | Josh_Borke | wow, that's kinda big |
| 12:56.01 | Beladona | and it is REALLY freaky seeing horde and alliance fighting, together |
| 12:56.07 | Beladona | against demons |
| 12:56.12 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 12:56.26 | Beladona | NPC of course |
| 12:56.35 | Josh_Borke | ah |
| 12:56.40 | Maldivia | Beladona: and some of the other zones are larger :) |
| 12:56.56 | Beladona | yes |
| 12:57.13 | Beladona | but they are sparse |
| 12:57.19 | Beladona | no trees, obviously |
| 12:57.28 | Maldivia | depends which zone :) |
| 12:57.34 | Beladona | so they could get away with alrger, without killing you on lag |
| 12:57.44 | Beladona | yeah but those are scaled back a bit |
| 12:58.02 | Beladona | oh and |
| 12:58.11 | Beladona | some of the greens I have gotten from the starter quests? |
| 12:58.23 | Beladona | better than blues and purples I have on |
| 12:58.23 | Mery | better than your current gear ? :) |
| 12:58.28 | Maldivia | bettrt than T2 :| |
| 12:58.34 | Beladona | well, not yet |
| 12:58.39 | Beladona | but there are some coming up that are |
| 12:58.50 | Beladona | the starter items are easily replacement for T0, or T0,5 tho |
| 12:59.12 | Beladona | I did get kinda peeved when I logged in tho |
| 12:59.19 | Maldivia | T1 and T2 are easilly replaced before you hit 70 |
| 12:59.31 | Beladona | I am a warrior, and for some reason my armor points was like 400 or so less than on live |
| 12:59.34 | Beladona | with same gear |
| 12:59.46 | Beladona | they changed all the items, reducing armor across the board |
| 12:59.57 | Josh_Borke | and you shouldn't be wearing T3 while solo'ing ;-) |
| 13:00.10 | Beladona | Maldivia |
| 13:00.13 | Beladona | we are capped at 67 |
| 13:00.16 | Beladona | =( |
| 13:00.19 | Maldivia | you like the new char sheet, with the selectable melee, spell etc info? |
| 13:00.46 | Mery | I do! |
| 13:00.48 | Beladona | meh, its not really useful |
| 13:00.54 | Beladona | you set it once and leave it |
| 13:01.11 | Beladona | its just for custmization I guess of what stats are important to you |
| 13:01.33 | Maldivia | true... but more like the level of information there is now :) |
| 13:01.36 | Maldivia | vs. previously |
| 13:01.40 | Beladona | oh yeah definitely |
| 13:01.56 | Beladona | oh and Devastating Blow? |
| 13:02.03 | Beladona | or whatever that top prot talent is |
| 13:02.08 | Beladona | VERY nice |
| 13:02.28 | Maldivia | very nice indeed :) |
| 13:02.31 | Beladona | I did around 200 or so dmg every time, and the refresh of sunder + the hat eit generates is insane |
| 13:02.48 | zenzelezz | means you don't have to hit Sunder past the fifth application, doesn't it? |
| 13:02.57 | Beladona | right |
| 13:03.03 | Beladona | although you can |
| 13:03.11 | Beladona | but why? this does dmg |
| 13:03.15 | Beladona | sunder doesn't |
| 13:03.17 | Beladona | hehe |
| 13:03.32 | zenzelezz | I know you can :-p |
| 13:03.35 | Maldivia | so basically, it's like 2x aggro that sunder? |
| 13:03.46 | Beladona | I don't know if it is 2x |
| 13:03.58 | Beladona | but it makes tanking (keeping stuff off other people) EASY |
| 13:04.04 | Maldivia | as I read it, it does more and more aggro, depending on how many sunders are on |
| 13:04.20 | Maldivia | and more aggro than sunder with 5 sunders + damage |
| 13:04.57 | Beladona | my guess |
| 13:05.01 | Beladona | and this is purely a guess |
| 13:05.21 | Beladona | is that it does the same amount of hate as a single sunder |
| 13:05.26 | Beladona | if you only have one sunder applied |
| 13:05.31 | Beladona | but when you reapply all 5 |
| 13:05.34 | Beladona | it multiplies it |
| 13:06.48 | Beladona | so more or less you are getting the hate of 5 sunders in one attack |
| 13:06.51 | Beladona | that costs me 12 rage |
| 13:07.00 | Beladona | a sunder is 10 |
| 13:07.50 | Maldivia | but the damage from your devastate generates rage aswell, doesn't it? |
| 13:07.50 | Beladona | yes |
| 13:07.51 | zenzelezz | sunder, 10 rage? |
| 13:07.57 | Beladona | yeah |
| 13:08.07 | Beladona | there is a talent that reduces the rage cost of all offensive abilities |
| 13:08.38 | Maldivia | Beladona: are you normally tankinng in raids? |
| 13:08.39 | Mery | I really really (I know I said it yesterday) fell in love with enemy castbar! |
| 13:08.54 | Beladona | actually, I do tend to tank in raids |
| 13:09.00 | Beladona | even in pickups they tend to have me tank |
| 13:09.08 | Maldivia | ok, then rage should never be a problem :) |
| 13:09.12 | Beladona | that is, when they NEED someone to tank, not all raids need tanking |
| 13:09.54 | Beladona | oh god Mery - enemy castbar + Spell reflect is deadly |
| 13:10.14 | Mery | ok maybe I hate it once I face a player controlled warrior |
| 13:10.18 | Mery | =) |
| 13:10.22 | Beladona | you have a skill that can reflect spell dmg back at the caster, AND see when they are casting so you know when to use it |
| 13:10.53 | Mery | then again do you see which rank I'm casting? |
| 13:10.58 | Beladona | no |
| 13:11.01 | Beladona | it doesn't matter tho |
| 13:11.28 | Beladona | a good caster can manipulate a warrior into usin it at the wrong time |
| 13:11.39 | Beladona | and then follow it up with their more damaging spell |
| 13:11.46 | Beladona | when spell reflect is down |
| 13:11.50 | Beladona | so I don't think it is overpowering |
| 13:11.56 | Mery | yeah |
| 13:12.02 | Beladona | it just solved the issue of warriors being dumb bricks when a caster came around |
| 13:12.26 | Mery | especially casters with slowing effects on their spells |
| 13:12.40 | Beladona | bear in mind it works on targetted spells |
| 13:12.43 | Beladona | not aoe |
| 13:13.02 | Mery | oh |
| 13:13.06 | Mery | didn't know that |
| 13:13.58 | Mery | hmm and with the water elemental I might be able to get the water bolt reflected on it insead of my spell on me |
| 13:14.32 | Beladona | yes |
| 13:14.38 | Beladona | that is in fact true |
| 13:14.57 | Beladona | your water ele can eat the reflect for you |
| 13:15.17 | Beladona | but obviously a priest doesn't get that |
| 13:15.20 | Beladona | =P |
| 13:15.47 | Maldivia | Warriors casts Spell Reflect |
| 13:15.52 | Maldivia | Mage casts Spellsteal |
| 13:15.54 | Maldivia | Warrior cries |
| 13:16.15 | zenzelezz | why? We don't have spells to reflect |
| 13:16.56 | Mery | but you're mostly in a group in pvp =) |
| 13:17.07 | zenzelezz | I don't do PvP |
| 13:17.10 | Maldivia | well, don't know if it can be stolen or dispelled, but if it works, it's an easy way to dispel it from a wrrior |
| 13:17.42 | Mery | I think they are going to time it (the good warriors) very close to finishing the offensive spell |
| 13:17.47 | Beladona | no, its considered a melee skill |
| 13:17.53 | Corrodias | i wonder if it's wise to go reporting people for rule violations when your character's name is one big rule violation itself |
| 13:18.01 | Corrodias | especially when they're not actually violating any rules |
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| 13:21.46 | Mery | Beladona: (I know it much be annoying to get asked all the time, but) Are you waiting for the new interface kit to be released with updating wdn? |
| 13:23.00 | Maldivia | I would think so, yes |
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| 13:25.31 | Galencia | you need a shield to use spell reflect? |
| 13:26.16 | Maldivia | yes |
| 13:27.51 | Corrodias | duh. you know all warriors use shields and tank. |
| 13:27.55 | Corrodias | just like all druids heal |
| 13:33.43 | Maldivia | well, all druids DO heal... |
| 13:34.01 | Maldivia | some more than others though |
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| 13:50.49 | Maldivia | arghhh |
| 13:51.13 | Maldivia | any EU players here, using the US client ? |
| 13:56.01 | Mikk | no but english client |
| 13:57.36 | Maldivia | hmm, apparently they changed something from last night to today... |
| 13:57.45 | Maldivia | can't log in with the US client, worked fine last night |
| 13:58.26 | Maldivia | which is kind of annoying |
| 13:59.13 | Kevorkian | It's Bush's fault, he built a firewall to keep out illegal virtual immigrants |
| 14:01.05 | Kevorkian | apparently virtual immigrants were coming into the country and pwning ordinary god fearing americans and stealing our gold farming jobs |
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| 14:14.53 | Ruzty | does anyone have a second to help me figure out the names of some frames in ag_UnitFrames? |
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| 14:17.26 | malreth | ah... much better |
| 14:19.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | Ruzty ofc |
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| 14:29.06 | Kaso | is it possible to revert patches? |
| 14:34.26 | malreth | you mean patches to WoW? |
| 14:34.32 | Kaso | yah |
| 14:34.46 | malreth | no |
| 14:34.54 | malreth | make backups. :) |
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| 14:39.11 | Beladona | heh |
| 14:39.32 | Beladona | when I first created wdn, I have the wonderful task of reinstalling wow from cd, and incrementally patching |
| 14:39.36 | Beladona | had* |
| 14:39.47 | Beladona | so I can say from experience, no there is no patch revert |
| 14:40.01 | Mery | what a *fun* task |
| 14:40.09 | Mery | (considering patching times) |
| 14:40.11 | Kaso | ha |
| 14:40.18 | Kaso | that does sound rather unplesant |
| 14:40.35 | Beladona | it took a good day |
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| 14:44.13 | Vallerius | aww, crud. i just realized that TBC is going to break part of my mod |
| 14:44.44 | Eufe | part? |
| 14:44.50 | Eufe | you are lucky then :) |
| 14:45.43 | Vallerius | yeah... the main feature of my mod is a minimap for in battlegrounds. right now you can click on the blips to target players |
| 14:45.55 | Vallerius | but since you can't move protected frames in combat... there goes that feature |
| 14:46.05 | Eufe | yep |
| 14:46.16 | Eufe | cant event target by name anymore |
| 14:46.44 | Vallerius | bah, i'll have to rewrite "target flag carrier" too, then. |
| 14:46.54 | Mery | not programatically |
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| 14:57.01 | cogwheel | Man... all i did was log in and change my video settings and i already found a bug XD |
| 14:58.16 | Elkano | ^^ |
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| 14:59.22 | malreth | over $700 to get 300 riding skill! |
| 15:00.45 | cogwheel | Is it just me or do Blood elves look like the came from the '80s? |
| 15:01.11 | cogwheel | Ooooh... I'm naming mine Pegbundy |
| 15:01.39 | malreth | Love Shack! |
| 15:02.32 | malreth | Rock Lobster! |
| 15:04.22 | cogwheel | woah... |
| 15:05.09 | cogwheel | both feet actually follow the terrain =D It doesn't look like one of them is hovering when you stand sideways on a slope |
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| 15:05.26 | malreth | oh, nice... |
| 15:05.43 | Xuerian|sleep | o.o |
| 15:05.49 | Xuerian|sleep | They actually did that? Damn. |
| 15:05.53 | cogwheel | well, to some extent anyway |
| 15:06.19 | Xuerian|sleep | Means a little more dynamics in animation, if they did... so many possibilties |
| 15:06.25 | cogwheel | you'll have to fight my wife for that one |
| 15:06.51 | malreth | i've already resigned myself to waiting for my tBC copy to arrive in the mail a week after release |
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| 15:07.00 | cogwheel | Xuerian|sleep: actually, basic skeleton functionality is pretty well known. and it does look like it only manifests itself when standing still |
| 15:07.08 | cogwheel | i could also be hallucinating :P |
| 15:07.21 | malreth | that's the hypnosis |
| 15:07.24 | Xuerian|sleep | Well, it's better than nothing if your not :P |
| 15:12.30 | cogwheel | my wife just entered her blizzcon code yesterday so she still has to wait for her invite :( |
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| 15:33.28 | malreth | hmm... |
| 15:33.31 | malreth | http://elektron.ewi.tudelft.nl/~chkwok30/oekaboe/enemycast.jpg |
| 15:33.52 | malreth | built in enemy cast bars |
| 15:34.09 | Kaso | does it show talents properly? |
| 15:34.41 | malreth | depends on if the new spellcast events take those into account |
| 15:34.47 | malreth | it's possible that they do |
| 15:36.11 | cogwheel | awesome! free bag! |
| 15:36.47 | Osagasu | That's sweet, malreth. |
| 15:36.49 | Josh_Borke | IT SHOWS THE CASTBAR UNDERNEATH THE FLOATING HEALTHBARS?! ZOMG! THAT IS UBER! |
| 15:36.50 | Mery | you can be logged in twice on beta (same account just have to be once on the pve and once on the pvp server) |
| 15:36.51 | Osagasu | who did it? |
| 15:37.06 | cogwheel | Osagasu: default UI |
| 15:37.06 | malreth | Blizzard did |
| 15:37.13 | Osagasu | damnit. :< |
| 15:37.25 | malreth | gotta love it |
| 15:37.28 | Kaso | is anyone inside the beta right now? |
| 15:37.37 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.39 | Osagasu | No. But I wanna be! T_T |
| 15:37.46 | Kaso | cogwheel can you check me something |
| 15:37.59 | cogwheel | assuming i'm able to :) |
| 15:38.25 | Kaso | sec lemme just write up the script |
| 15:39.22 | Kaso | do you have like luapad or luaslinger or something so you can do big scripts? installled? |
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| 15:40.27 | cogwheel | not in BC atm... shouldn't take me more than a minute or two though |
| 15:41.02 | malreth | I can do it to, Osagasu, since cogwheel has graciously given me his beta account |
| 15:41.12 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:41.18 | cogwheel | gimme just a sec... |
| 15:41.26 | malreth | ...to give me that account |
| 15:41.36 | Kaso | i wanna see if you can still itterate over the nameplates and use em to target people, or if they thought of that: so try something like this |
| 15:41.36 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/1532 |
| 15:42.47 | Osagasu | Nobody likes me that much. :\ |
| 15:42.58 | cogwheel | :\ |
| 15:43.07 | cogwheel | Luaslinger says flat out "incompatible" |
| 15:43.18 | cogwheel | Load out of date doesn't work |
| 15:43.24 | Cide | need to update .toc |
| 15:44.10 | cogwheel | and the toc would be 20000? |
| 15:44.17 | Osagasu | Wasn't tinypad updated for the BC beta? |
| 15:44.50 | Cide | cogwheel: that worked for me anyway |
| 15:45.36 | cogwheel | gah... lua 5.1 differences |
| 15:46.04 | cogwheel | checking out tinypad |
| 15:47.48 | Osagasu | http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2006-10-12T200643Z_01_N12349486_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-CANADA-MARIJUANA.XML&WTmodLoc=NewsLanding-C11-Odd-2&rpc=92 |
| 15:48.46 | cogwheel | kaso: what interface options should i turn on to run this? |
| 15:49.51 | Osagasu | " 'A couple of brown plants on the edges of some of those (forests) did catch on fire. But a section of soldiers that was downwind from that had some ill effects and decided that was probably not the right course of action,' Hiller said dryly." |
| 15:50.22 | malreth | Osagasu: reminds me of that scene in History of the World: Part 1 where they're running from the roman soldiers |
| 15:51.18 | malreth | and Gregory Hines rolls that huge joint |
| 15:52.20 | Beladona | wow |
| 15:52.28 | Beladona | One soldier told him later: "Sir, three years ago before I joined the army, I never thought I'd say 'That damn marijuana'." |
| 15:52.47 | cogwheel | Osagasu: hehe... i read that on ytmnd last night XD |
| 15:53.23 | Kaso | cogwheel Press V or whatever to show the nameplates |
| 15:53.32 | cogwheel | k |
| 15:53.44 | Kaso | if it worked it should target someone near to you |
| 15:54.22 | cogwheel | should it work on enemies? 'cause it's not :( |
| 15:54.30 | cogwheel | no errors though |
| 15:54.35 | cogwheel | unless it's tinypad's fault |
| 15:54.39 | [floyd] | "the crew of at least one armored car had camouflaged their vehicle with marijuana." -- bwahahahaha |
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| 15:54.51 | Kaso | try showing friendly player nameplates and trying that also |
| 15:54.58 | cogwheel | just did |
| 15:54.59 | cogwheel | same |
| 15:55.01 | Kaso | darn |
| 15:55.07 | Kaso | they thought of it |
| 15:55.33 | Kaso | well, i expected that, but thanks for thinking of it |
| 15:55.54 | Kaso | *testing |
| 15:57.12 | cogwheel | np :) |
| 16:01.26 | cogwheel | gotta go... husbandly duties and all :) |
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| 16:13.11 | wereHamster | is there a lua function to get the spell a unit is currently casting? |
| 16:13.11 | [RTE] | hey folks |
| 16:13.30 | [RTE] | no |
| 16:13.38 | Maldivia | wereHamster: in 2.0: yes |
| 16:13.42 | [RTE] | gotto parse combat log or something like that |
| 16:13.42 | Maldivia | (I think) |
| 16:13.47 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 16:13.52 | malreth | Maldivia is correct |
| 16:13.58 | JoshBorke | as long as it is a first order unit (in 2.0) |
| 16:13.59 | [RTE] | at this point only if the unit is player |
| 16:14.00 | wereHamster | I was thinking about the 'enemy castingbar' and what happens if a unit begins to cast and after than you target that unit. |
| 16:14.03 | JoshBorke | in curent wow, no |
| 16:14.36 | wereHamster | [RTE], who cares aout WoW 1.* ;) |
| 16:14.47 | [RTE] | heh :) |
| 16:14.48 | malreth | otherwise, you can get that information for 'player' easily using the SpellStatus lib from WoWAce.com |
| 16:16.57 | [RTE] | folks, I'm sort of confused about 2.0 changes ... it says we will not be allowed to move/show/hide/resize frames in combat, is that true for all frames? |
| 16:17.06 | JoshBorke | no |
| 16:17.08 | Maldivia | only applies to secure frames |
| 16:17.25 | [RTE] | what are secure and unsecure frames? |
| 16:17.42 | Maldivia | secure frames = frames that has protected="true", or inherit from the Secure*Template |
| 16:17.43 | JoshBorke | secure frames are frames that can have units/spells/actions attached to hem |
| 16:17.50 | chuckg | If I have an array of stuff and I just want to empty it to clean the array, do I have to nil it first or can I just set it: array = {} ? |
| 16:17.52 | malreth | secure frames are frames that cannot be moved/shown/hidden or resized when in combat |
| 16:17.55 | malreth | :) |
| 16:18.17 | JoshBorke | chuckg: by saying aray = {} you are creating anew table and losing your eference to the old one |
| 16:18.21 | [RTE] | chuckg: array = {} is fine |
| 16:18.30 | chuckg | Ok so the old will be dumped next gc right? |
| 16:18.36 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 16:18.36 | [RTE] | yeah |
| 16:18.40 | chuckg | Thanks. |
| 16:18.41 | Maldivia | yep - unless you have another reference to it somewhere |
| 16:18.49 | chuckg | I hope not! |
| 16:18.56 | [RTE] | so, are unit frames secure or not? |
| 16:19.12 | Maldivia | a = {1}, b = a, a = {2} -- now b == {1} and a == {2} |
| 16:19.31 | JoshBorke | secure |
| 16:19.38 | [RTE] | @#$@# |
| 16:19.47 | Maldivia | RTE: all frames that interacts with units has to be secure |
| 16:19.51 | [RTE] | so basically we cannot make unit frames anymore? |
| 16:20.00 | malreth | urge to flame, rising... |
| 16:20.03 | Maldivia | yes we can, we can inherit from SecureUnitFrameTemplate |
| 16:20.13 | Maldivia | go read the concise thread, please |
| 16:20.35 | [RTE] | I'm in it, trying to understand |
| 16:20.35 | Osagasu | I can't wait to see someone decide tomake a mod flash keybindings across the screen based on what spell the mod thinks you should cast. |
| 16:20.47 | malreth | do, or do not... there is no try |
| 16:20.48 | Osagasu | That would be funny. Suddenly WoW becomes a rhythm game. |
| 16:20.51 | Maldivia | Osa: dont worry, someone will make it! |
| 16:22.25 | wereHamster | we can make unitframes, just not associate actions with them |
| 16:22.31 | Maldivia | yes we can! |
| 16:22.56 | Maldivia | CreateFrame("Button", "myUnitFrame", UIParent, "SecureUnitFrameTemplate") |
| 16:23.16 | JoshBorke | the functionality of clique is one step closer to being part of the base UI with 2.0 |
| 16:23.28 | Maldivia | frames inherit the security of it's ancestor, unless you overwrite the secure code |
| 16:23.47 | Maldivia | Josh: it already is, only thing missing is an UI to se the spells |
| 16:24.00 | Osagasu | What do you mean? |
| 16:24.03 | wereHamster | I mean, not for frames that don't inherit the secure templates. So a mergency monitor is doable, you just won'r be able to target the units by clicking the frames |
| 16:24.35 | [RTE] | but as I understand we cannot change size/visibility/etc of secure frames during combat, no? |
| 16:24.44 | Maldivia | correct |
| 16:24.52 | Maldivia | Blizzard's code can, we cannot |
| 16:25.05 | Galencia | you can change the vibisbility |
| 16:25.07 | Galencia | not the position |
| 16:25.19 | Maldivia | you CANT change visibility |
| 16:25.22 | Galencia | if by visibility you mean "hilight" or colour, or something |
| 16:25.24 | Maldivia | show/hide are protected |
| 16:25.28 | [RTE] | so how the hack are you going to update hp/mp during combat? |
| 16:25.42 | malreth | the same way you update hp/mp now |
| 16:25.43 | Maldivia | statusbar:SetValue(...) |
| 16:25.45 | malreth | that doesn't change |
| 16:25.48 | Galencia | hiding or showing is not permitted, correct. :) |
| 16:25.57 | [RTE] | ha, it doesn't change if you use statusbar ... |
| 16:26.10 | [RTE] | I'm talking about circular hp/mp representation |
| 16:26.26 | malreth | still doesn't change |
| 16:26.32 | Mery | well the only thing that can't change is the clickable area |
| 16:26.35 | Maldivia | are those unit frames you need to click on to cast a spell or target? |
| 16:26.43 | Maldivia | if no, then no reason to make the secure |
| 16:26.50 | [RTE] | my CircuFrames uses 12 frames with custom templates that are shown/hidded/resized to display hp/mp in circular form |
| 16:27.14 | Maldivia | RTE: will still work, since none of those frames are actually a button you push, right? |
| 16:27.36 | [RTE] | aha, so I can make the actual unit frame non-secure, and just place a secure transparent frame on top of it for click-selecting or casting, correct? |
| 16:27.44 | Mery | ya |
| 16:27.47 | Maldivia | Secure frames are only used, if you want to be able to click then, and then change target or cast spell, use items, use abilities... |
| 16:27.51 | [RTE] | alright, that makes sens |
| 16:28.10 | [RTE] | thanks for clarification |
| 16:28.31 | Maldivia | basically, all actions that requires a hardware event in 1.12, requires secure frames in 2.0 |
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| 16:28.46 | [RTE] | gotcha |
| 16:29.05 | [RTE] | all those pluss targeting |
| 16:29.23 | Maldivia | "change target" was mentioned :) |
| 16:29.34 | Maldivia | I'd suggest you look in the SecureTemplate.lua file, there are tons of comments on how to use them |
| 16:29.49 | [RTE] | alright, thanks |
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| 17:02.26 | Maldivia | howdy Iriel :) |
| 17:02.35 | Iriel | Morning |
| 17:03.54 | Maldivia | was wondering what you would think of a suggestion for the SecureRaidGroupHeaderTemplate code, allowing for "template" attribute to be a function that creates the button, instead of having to be forced to make an XML template ? |
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| 17:09.45 | Iriel | Maldivia: That's already in the works |
| 17:09.53 | Maldivia | OK :) |
| 17:10.10 | Iriel | YOu still need to use a template to create the root frame |
| 17:10.14 | Maldivia | I was just wondering, if it was skilled because it would taint the code or something |
| 17:10.17 | Iriel | but all the rest can be added to it at runtime |
| 17:10.24 | Maldivia | skipped* |
| 17:11.09 | Maldivia | would something like this work: SetAttribute("template", "SecureUnitButtonTemplate"), SetAttribute("templateFunction", myFunction) |
| 17:11.42 | Iriel | The proposed solution is slightly different than that, but the same general idea |
| 17:11.59 | Iriel | (different in HOW it's set up, not WHAT is set up) |
| 17:12.09 | Maldivia | Ok |
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| 17:13.32 | Maldivia | And I like the unitSuffix addition, allows for tank/target lists now :) |
| 17:14.53 | Iriel | There should be (in a future build, not sure which one) full support for re-locatable popups that use the SecureStateHeader and the unitSuffix notation to let you do quite complex things. |
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| 17:15.45 | Maldivia | must admit, I really like the secure templates |
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| 17:18.39 | malreth | unitSuffix... re-locatable popups... |
| 17:19.04 | malreth | WoW 2.0 is ten ninjas! |
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| 17:22.02 | malreth | anyone been able to play with the mage water elemental pet? |
| 17:22.11 | Mery | a little |
| 17:22.39 | malreth | is it banishable? |
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| 17:23.08 | Thunder_Child | more importanly is it good enough for my friend to beable to gloat? |
| 17:23.11 | Mery | that I cannot answer (but it would be a big suprise if not) |
| 17:23.13 | Josh_Borke | Hola! |
| 17:23.19 | malreth | :( |
| 17:23.22 | malreth | oh well... |
| 17:23.29 | malreth | i'll be forced to get it anyway |
| 17:23.37 | Mery | why? |
| 17:23.50 | malreth | ever since WC3, I've wanted a water elemental pet |
| 17:24.14 | Cide | it's quite good, really |
| 17:24.17 | malreth | i am compelled to respec from being a fire mage to go full frost just for that pet |
| 17:24.41 | malreth | i will miss lighting things on fire... |
| 17:24.57 | Thunder_Child | it isnt worth it...stay away from the dark side |
| 17:25.11 | malreth | but I must have that pet... every bone in my body wants it... even that one down there... |
| 17:25.16 | Josh_Borke | the power shall be immense! |
| 17:25.48 | Beladona | wdn updated |
| 17:25.59 | wereHamster | a human bosy has ~250 bones (AFAIR), which one do you mean malreth? |
| 17:26.15 | Josh_Borke | the tibula of course |
| 17:26.16 | Thunder_Child | i think he meant the one in the middle |
| 17:26.21 | malreth | did you mean "human body" or "human boy"? |
| 17:26.43 | Plorkyeran | It seems like every mage either thinks "Why would you want a pet?" or "OMG WATER ELEMENTAL!" |
| 17:26.47 | Josh_Borke | what's this knowledgebase thing? |
| 17:26.53 | wereHamster | 'body' of course |
| 17:26.53 | Iriel | Maldivia: I think the secure templates are going to make a bunch of things much simpler to implement, and are extremely flexible. |
| 17:28.09 | malreth | well, my mage does at least |
| 17:28.29 | Josh_Borke | poke Beladona, what's the KnowledgeBaseFrame thingie for? |
| 17:28.43 | Beladona | dunno |
| 17:29.32 | Josh_Borke | type /script ToggleKnowledgeBaseFrame()! |
| 17:29.52 | Josh_Borke | i must know the answer to my questions! |
| 17:30.00 | Cide | I shall investigate, sec |
| 17:30.04 | Beladona | if I wasn't at work, I would find out |
| 17:30.14 | Cide | Connected |
| 17:30.22 | Josh_Borke | they must not steal my idea! |
| 17:30.33 | Cide | Connected... |
| 17:30.33 | Beladona | fairly sure it is for help topics |
| 17:30.40 | Beladona | but who knows |
| 17:30.50 | Josh_Borke | that's what it looks like. but what kind of help topics? |
| 17:31.01 | Josh_Borke | is it like an FAQ type thing? |
| 17:31.06 | Osagasu | I wanna see! I wanna see! |
| 17:31.15 | Josh_Borke | SS or it didn't happen! |
| 17:31.22 | Cide | inc |
| 17:31.22 | Beladona | I think it is more like FAQ |
| 17:31.30 | Cide | it is |
| 17:31.43 | Josh_Borke | hrm. what's the GUI like? |
| 17:31.51 | Osagasu | Screenie! |
| 17:32.00 | Cide | calm down, I'm loading up! |
| 17:32.10 | Osagasu | gr. |
| 17:32.12 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:32.16 | wereHamster | hurry up :) |
| 17:32.19 | Josh_Borke | purl, hug Cide |
| 17:32.20 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cide's lap and huggles and *hugs*! |
| 17:32.36 | Osagasu | You actually STOPPED playing the beta, when there are people like be willing to kill for a key? you stupid? |
| 17:32.48 | Kirkburn | Has anyone seen a druid Tree of Life? |
| 17:32.55 | Beladona | yeah |
| 17:32.57 | Osagasu | **like me |
| 17:33.00 | Beladona | there are screenies floating around too |
| 17:33.11 | Osagasu | I saw the Tauren one. |
| 17:33.13 | Osagasu | lol. |
| 17:33.14 | Beladona | they just look like those mini trants |
| 17:33.20 | Beladona | treants* |
| 17:33.28 | Kirkburn | A NE, specifically :) |
| 17:33.36 | Kirkburn | I've seen the tauren one :P |
| 17:33.46 | Beladona | whats the Tauren one look like? |
| 17:33.51 | Cide | http://imagelink.org/temp/354 |
| 17:34.13 | Josh_Borke | oh son of a butt-monkey! |
| 17:34.27 | Josh_Borke | well, my UI is still better |
| 17:34.34 | Osagasu | You think it'll allow people to submit articles for blizzard overview? hrm |
| 17:34.34 | Kirkburn | oooh |
| 17:34.37 | Kirkburn | funky |
| 17:34.50 | Josh_Borke | actually, if you can submit to it, that's kinda cool |
| 17:34.59 | Kirkburn | Beladona, http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/4321808.html#cutid1 |
| 17:35.20 | Kirkburn | Josh_Borke, doubt it, too easy to vandalise |
| 17:35.34 | Kirkburn | Oh, for overview :P |
| 17:35.35 | Cide | I think GM's add issues depending on what gets reported |
| 17:35.37 | Beladona | that isn't what they all look like? |
| 17:35.53 | Osagasu | WTB horns for the Tauren tree form. |
| 17:35.57 | Kirkburn | Well, the bears are different, the cats are different, the oomkins are different |
| 17:36.06 | Beladona | I don't think these are |
| 17:36.51 | Osagasu | This is gonna kill me, being in here the next few weeks. I swear. |
| 17:37.24 | Maldivia | Cairenn: too bad the stealth bumps aren't that stealthy anymore :) |
| 17:37.35 | Josh_Borke | Cide: thanks. |
| 17:37.47 | Cide | no problem :) |
| 17:38.29 | Josh_Borke | though i must say i feel slightly like they beat me to the punch :-/ |
| 17:38.42 | Osagasu | Yes, Satan? It's me, Osa. Yeah, that one. What do you mean you won't take my soul? I don't have one?!? WHAT! |
| 17:42.56 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone knows where to download the enGB version of the game ? |
| 17:43.15 | Maldivia | or do I really have to seach the entire house, to see if I can find my discs... |
| 17:44.44 | Iriel | free trial? |
| 17:44.56 | Iriel | that seems to be the client of choice for downloading |
| 17:46.23 | Osagasu | That's an enUS one. |
| 17:46.28 | Osagasu | Not the same client |
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| 17:49.14 | Osagasu | Hi Cair. |
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| 17:49.34 | malreth | hi hi, Cairenn |
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| 17:50.35 | Iriel | Ah, didn't realize there was no enGB free trial |
| 17:52.03 | Tain | Payback for all those years of colonial oppression. |
| 17:52.50 | Osagasu | Payback for having a prince that's married to a man. :O |
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| 17:56.37 | malreth | ZING! |
| 17:58.05 | cogwheel | O.O |
| 17:58.26 | Osagasu | How dare you leave your computer when you have beta. TEST! |
| 17:58.34 | cogwheel | :( |
| 17:58.44 | Osagasu | D: |
| 17:58.46 | Osagasu | :D |
| 17:58.47 | Osagasu | D: |
| 17:58.49 | Osagasu | :D |
| 17:59.14 | cogwheel | I can't really play beta too much 'cause my wife'll get jealous ;P |
| 17:59.20 | cogwheel | at least until she gets her invite |
| 18:00.30 | Osagasu | And what if she doesn't? |
| 18:00.57 | cogwheel | she will... https://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=290179&sid=1 |
| 18:01.25 | Osagasu | Bah. |
| 18:01.43 | Osagasu | I can never win with you people. |
| 18:01.58 | Osagasu | at least I have solace in my NWN2 preorfer. |
| 18:02.02 | Osagasu | **preorder |
| 18:02.28 | cogwheel | Theres' too much logic around here :) |
| 18:02.48 | Fisker | there is Iriel |
| 18:03.07 | Osagasu | No, there's too many people in beta. I swear, I'm about to kill people. -.- |
| 18:03.42 | Iriel | Iriel? Where!?!?!? |
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| 18:04.00 | Fisker | i mean there is a enGB trial |
| 18:04.06 | Tain | Iriel is still in beta, we're waiting for the retail release of Iriel. |
| 18:05.14 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 18:05.37 | cogwheel | at least i wasn't in the alpha :P |
| 18:07.15 | Thunder_Child | So who is signing up for the beta? |
| 18:07.15 | Thunder_Child | Acclaim is creating a first-of-its-kind massively multiplayer club dancing game. |
| 18:07.16 | Thunder_Child | Our brand new online game called DANCE! has been kept secret while under development, and now will be ready for Closed Beta testing in the coming weeks. DANCE! is a really fun and addictive FREE online game that brings the best chart-topping music and dancing gameplay right to your PC! |
| 18:08.13 | Osagasu | I'll be perfectly honest, I just want to design Starbreak and get a pic of her in Judgement for my records. If I need to I'll use the modelviewer for it. :P |
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| 18:09.27 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 18:09.31 | Cairenn | hi ComicSansMS |
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| 18:21.12 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34224257&postId=341711445&sid=1#1 |
| 18:21.32 | Iriel | A guide to secure execution and tainting |
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| 18:22.21 | malreth | "If you're arguing that the magnitude of healer turnover will somehow increase because of the addon changes, then that's highly presumptuous of you and is not going to be the basis of a rational discussion because it is unarguable. If you're going to say that, I might as well say that for every healer that quits, there'll be 3 flavor of the month Blood Elf Paladins/Draenei Shamans rolling to replace them and that's just not rational |
| 18:22.36 | malreth | :D |
| 18:23.01 | Beladona | the changes are SO sweeping and wide, there is no way to really make an accurate comparison between now, and BC |
| 18:23.05 | End-afk | Iriel: needs a sticky ;p |
| 18:23.21 | malreth | End-afk: get clicking on the biohazard then |
| 18:23.22 | Beladona | many things that used to be hard, are easier now |
| 18:23.30 | End-afk | malreth: already in process |
| 18:23.32 | Beladona | and people can't quantify that till they try it |
| 18:23.45 | End-afk | (I had to login first) |
| 18:25.23 | Fisker | i'm tainting something |
| 18:25.46 | End | well duh, everything you do is tainted ;p |
| 18:26.01 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:26.17 | End | no, no, I'm being serious! |
| 18:26.47 | Aenslaed | healer turnover you can't speculate at all about, but nerfing things like decursive is just unwarranted. Its not fun to do that at all |
| 18:27.06 | Kaso | does the taint system add alot of overhead to the scripting system? |
| 18:27.22 | End | Kaso: a little |
| 18:27.22 | cogwheel | :( server died right as i was looting a corpse |
| 18:27.24 | Beladona | only becasue it is CURRENTLY difficult to do so |
| 18:27.33 | Beladona | it may not be in the expansion |
| 18:27.35 | End | kaso: it's been in game for a while now though |
| 18:27.37 | Iriel | It's been in since 1.10, it doesn't add anything significant enough to measure really |
| 18:27.43 | Iriel | It did for a while, but that got fixed |
| 18:27.45 | Aenslaed | Beladona: what fundamental change to dispelling is there going to be? |
| 18:28.24 | Beladona | new talents? new spells? level raise? new content being less focused around the need to dispel so often? |
| 18:28.30 | Beladona | to name a few |
| 18:28.32 | Kaso | interesting, i didnt know it'd been in since 1.10, so have they just been waiting till 2.0 to activate it fully? all the code has been in place? |
| 18:28.50 | End | the taint system was already used for certain "PROTECTED" functions |
| 18:28.53 | End | such as movement |
| 18:29.36 | Aenslaed | there are no dispel improving talents. Only priests are getting a 'mass dispel' ability at high cost. The content though. With how much they rely on the dispelling and decursing in naxxramas, there's no reason to suspect a change. |
| 18:29.41 | malreth | Aenslaed: you should qualify your statement thusly: It's not fun for me to do that at all. |
| 18:29.51 | Beladona | again, this is all conjecture |
| 18:30.19 | Aenslaed | malreth: ok. I do not enjoy decursing an entire raid. Many others in my guild have expressed similar opinions. |
| 18:30.48 | malreth | fortunately, you aren't expected to decurse an entire raid on your own |
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| 18:31.23 | malreth | and it can be argued that any kind of work that you have to do in the game is not fun |
| 18:31.29 | Aenslaed | But you are. its the mentality of 'oh i only need to decurse this many people' that causes wipes on encounters like noth or faerlina |
| 18:31.40 | Osagasu | Mass Dispel = the amount of mana required for 5 dispells + 100 mana or so. |
| 18:31.47 | Osagasu | so it really isn't that high of cost. |
| 18:31.49 | Iriel | Kaso, That's how it seems, I suspect a lot of thought went into WHICH functions to protect, and then a lot of work into making sure doing so wouldn't destroy our ability to create AddOns |
| 18:32.13 | malreth | Aenslaed: no... the mentality is "my 4 teammates and I need to decurse these people" |
| 18:32.26 | Aenslaed | Osagasu: it is if not all 5 have something to mass dispel. Alot of current content has a critical time limit to removing debuffs or something bad will happen. |
| 18:32.49 | malreth | Aenslaed: yes, and that will be part of the challenge in overcoming those events |
| 18:34.41 | Beladona | there is something else to think about too |
| 18:34.43 | Aenslaed | malreth: that is wrong once again. Have you ever had one person slip through the cracks on noth and then have someone blame another for missing the person in their group? |
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| 18:34.53 | Beladona | the content in BC is such that it almost eclipses previous content |
| 18:34.55 | Kevorkian | my impression, after researching it a bit, is that decursing will become more like whack a mole instead of key spamming. I'm somewhat ambeivalent about it |
| 18:35.00 | Beladona | in quality, etc... |
| 18:35.19 | malreth | Aenslaed: it is true that one person's mistake can cost the entire encounter for the team in many fights |
| 18:35.27 | Beladona | if you are 60, have the expansion, but are still doing the old instances with current stats / spells, something is wrong |
| 18:36.01 | Thunder_Child | just becase you are 60 doesnt mean you should go stright to outlands |
| 18:36.01 | malreth | not just for Noth |
| 18:36.08 | Aenslaed | malreth: and it is in the thinking of 'i only decurse who I am assigned' was probably what got alot of guilds wiped on nef. |
| 18:36.12 | Beladona | ideally a raid would be practicing no? |
| 18:36.16 | Beladona | getting better |
| 18:36.20 | Beladona | working as a team |
| 18:36.24 | Josh_Borke | Kevorkian: !! i almost have my sync algorithm written! |
| 18:36.28 | Kaso | one last random question, if we try to do things we're not allowed to (eg target stuff) does it fail silently, or does it act the same was as if yo try to call a movement function now ? |
| 18:36.29 | Beladona | I think people will adjust |
| 18:36.36 | Beladona | or not, and well - yeah |
| 18:36.42 | malreth | Aenslaed: then people shouldn't be thinking "I only decurse who i am assigned" |
| 18:36.50 | malreth | that's not teamwork |
| 18:36.50 | malreth | that |
| 18:36.51 | Iriel | Kaso: it depends on the function, the core API functions pop up the 'blocked' message |
| 18:36.59 | End | then what should they be thinking? :P |
| 18:37.03 | Iriel | Kaso: Trying to mess around with protected frames in combat fails silently |
| 18:37.07 | Kevorkian | josh: wewt :) still going on timestamp? |
| 18:37.14 | Aenslaed | Beladona: people will adjust. Its just that healing roles in this game is already unrewarding as is. Adding more tedium just makes it worse. |
| 18:37.26 | Thunder_Child | it's rewarding for some ppl |
| 18:37.28 | malreth | Aenslaed: unrewarding? |
| 18:37.31 | Beladona | I could argue tanking is unrewarding |
| 18:37.39 | Kaso | intersting, thanks |
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| 18:37.47 | Beladona | a mage could argue nuking is unrewarding |
| 18:37.52 | Kevorkian | I find healing to be very rewarding. |
| 18:37.53 | Beladona | its all perception |
| 18:37.55 | Osagasu | Nuking IS unrewarding. |
| 18:37.55 | Aenslaed | naw, tanking is very rewarding. The guild lives or dies on your efforts. Thus you are the center of attention. |
| 18:37.57 | malreth | everyone is rewarded by finishing the encounter |
| 18:38.12 | Beladona | the guild lives or dies on your healing efforts too |
| 18:38.13 | Thunder_Child | if you dont find something rewarding, then dont do it |
| 18:38.16 | Beladona | how is that any different? |
| 18:38.19 | malreth | healing is very rewarding. the raid lives or dies (literally) based on your efforts |
| 18:38.19 | Kevorkian | and healing doesn't affect survival? |
| 18:38.20 | unsolo | Guys im having trouble getting a custom texture displayed anyone have experience on this ? |
| 18:38.24 | Aenslaed | Beladona: very hard to spot individual effort on healing. |
| 18:38.33 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 18:38.38 | malreth | Aenslaed: i disagree also |
| 18:38.40 | Beladona | as a tank, i can tell who the good healers are |
| 18:38.43 | Aenslaed | the only way to spot it is through healing meters or individual assigned healers. |
| 18:38.43 | Thunder_Child | besides, it's not about the glory |
| 18:38.52 | malreth | the same could be said that it's hard to spot individual effort on nuking |
| 18:38.56 | Cide | it might be HARDER to spot a good healer than a good tank |
| 18:39.02 | Beladona | I can spot it WITHOUT meters or individual assigned healer |
| 18:39.08 | Aenslaed | malreth: and it is. Except you get to see nice big numbers. |
| 18:39.14 | Cide | for someone who is not directly in contact with healing (that is, a tank or a healer) |
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| 18:39.19 | malreth | healers get to see nice big numbers too |
| 18:39.34 | Aenslaed | not really. If you see big numbers, you are blowing your mana |
| 18:39.41 | malreth | in any case... we've lost the topic |
| 18:39.43 | Aenslaed | or you are overhealing very badly |
| 18:39.44 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:39.49 | Thunder_Child | if you dont like it dont do it. Someone will ALWAYS be there to heal |
| 18:39.53 | malreth | decursive has nothing to do with healer reward |
| 18:39.55 | Maldivia | Iriel: looking at your secure and taint thread. The hooksecurefunction, can you say that it just creates a function like: function() res = callOrg(); securecall(callHook()) return res; end ? |
| 18:40.07 | Beladona | I agree healers might have a little more micro-management to deal with |
| 18:40.13 | End | when I see big numbers, someone fucked up (maybe it was me, maybe it wasn't) and I need to fix the lack of health issue quickly |
| 18:40.14 | Beladona | but that is part of teh class |
| 18:40.19 | Aenslaed | malreth: it does. Because decursing via whack a mole is very tedious and strenous |
| 18:40.26 | Thunder_Child | sup ckknight |
| 18:40.26 | Beladona | its something you learn to deal with |
| 18:40.27 | End | or else, I'm solo healing someone taking a lot of damage, but that doesn't last |
| 18:40.41 | malreth | Aenslaed: you forgot to qualify that statement again |
| 18:40.41 | Beladona | its like me as a tank getting mad because I have to worry about more than 1 mob |
| 18:40.47 | Kevorkian | end: meh, greater heal is more mana efficient. big numbers = efficiency if it's not a panic heal |
| 18:41.00 | Cide | Aenslaed: actually, I love the removal of decursive |
| 18:41.04 | malreth | "malreth: it does. Because decursing for me via whack a mole is very tedious and strenous" |
| 18:41.05 | End | Kevorkian: first, I'm a druid. second, I use a low rank of healing touch |
| 18:41.15 | Iriel | It's more like function(...) res = callOrg(...) securecall(hookFunc, ...) return res; end |
| 18:41.34 | Beladona | I disliked decursive |
| 18:41.34 | Iriel | And it handles any number of return values |
| 18:41.34 | Beladona | not for what it helped people do |
| 18:41.34 | End | my highest rank healing touch heals for over 3k, crit for 5k |
| 18:41.34 | Iriel | but that's the general idea. |
| 18:41.34 | Beladona | but for the fact it enabled people to be un-intelligent |
| 18:41.36 | End | and it drains me of mana quickly if I am using that rank |
| 18:41.43 | Aenslaed | End: ditto. cept 3.7k and 6.5k |
| 18:41.49 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah, just skipped the args for simplicity, and also the supportfor multiple post-hooks :) |
| 18:41.56 | End | wow, you must have a lot of +healing |
| 18:41.58 | unsolo | Does anyone know what i need to do to an image in order to load it in the ui interface.. is saving it as .tga enough ? |
| 18:42.12 | Iriel | I believe multiple post hooks just create nested wrapper functions for simplicity |
| 18:42.15 | Beladona | tga with alpha no? |
| 18:42.15 | Maldivia | unsolo: tga, and a power-2 width and height |
| 18:42.16 | Kevorkian | beladona: I liked decursive but I get what you're saying. I used to have battles with decursive priority lists when doing MC, having to reconfigure who got priority |
| 18:42.17 | Aenslaed | End: yeah. picking up the soon to be obsolete purpz! |
| 18:42.28 | chuckg | Anyone willing to help me figure out why a SetScript OnLoad isn't triggering? |
| 18:42.36 | Iriel | chuckg: When are you doing it? |
| 18:42.45 | unsolo | so a 800x512 can be loaded |
| 18:42.47 | chuckg | It's on a dropdown frame creation. |
| 18:42.48 | Iriel | OnLoad is never called after frame creation, to SetScript'ing it is largely pointless |
| 18:42.53 | unsolo | or vice versa |
| 18:42.54 | Maldivia | unsolo: no, by power-2 = 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256 or 512 |
| 18:43.01 | Iriel | by the time you have a frame to SetScript On, the time to call OnLoad has passed |
| 18:43.22 | chuckg | So OnLoad is really on relevant to XML then? |
| 18:43.24 | unsolo | ahh so 768 isnt valid. |
| 18:43.28 | Maldivia | correct |
| 18:43.30 | chuckg | Can't be done through the LUA? |
| 18:43.31 | unsolo | only 512 1024 |
| 18:43.37 | malreth | 768 > 512 |
| 18:43.40 | Maldivia | wow doesn't support textures > 512 |
| 18:43.41 | End | I've tried 1024, but it crashed WoW |
| 18:43.44 | unsolo | ok |
| 18:43.48 | unsolo | hehe nice.,. |
| 18:43.55 | End | I think that may have been fixed in 2.0.0 though |
| 18:44.01 | Maldivia | was just about to say :) |
| 18:44.09 | Beladona | a 1024 texture - thats just LOL |
| 18:44.24 | unsolo | so if you want 1024x1024 just split the image into 4 |
| 18:44.27 | End | I needed a big backdrop edge texture :( |
| 18:44.32 | Maldivia | unsolo: yep |
| 18:44.37 | chuckg | Iriel: http://wowi.pastey.net/1534 |
| 18:44.37 | Beladona | that big? |
| 18:44.39 | chuckg | Is that not valid? |
| 18:44.45 | End | unfortunately, that big |
| 18:44.47 | unsolo | and what way should i load a dynamic texture ? |
| 18:44.52 | Beladona | I gotta see this thing you made |
| 18:44.58 | unsolo | using frame:SetTexture ? |
| 18:45.04 | End | actually, only top top right corner screwed me up |
| 18:45.05 | Iriel | I dont think the texture size limit is considered a 'bug' |
| 18:45.16 | Iriel | Large textures consume a lot of video memory, dont use them unless you really HAVE to |
| 18:45.19 | End | (that part was big) |
| 18:45.46 | Beladona | unsolo: define dynamic? |
| 18:46.01 | unsolo | you choose from a list and the filename should be loaded accordingly |
| 18:46.11 | Beladona | SetTexture would do that |
| 18:46.15 | Maldivia | texture:SetTexture(stringContainingFileName) |
| 18:46.20 | unsolo | ;) |
| 18:46.35 | Beladona | I thought you were trying to do an animation or something 0.o |
| 18:47.02 | unsolo | hmm that might come but i think i will leave the 3d animation part out for now xD |
| 18:47.33 | Maldivia | hmm, can you use "$parentBla" with CreateFrame ? |
| 18:47.51 | unsolo | but i guess i should not use backdrop file but texture. in artwork |
| 18:48.11 | Maldivia | depends what you want to do |
| 18:48.54 | Beladona | you can use $parentBla in a tempalte you inherit in CreateFrame |
| 18:49.00 | Beladona | but you can't use $parentBla directly in it |
| 18:49.30 | Beladona | you can use GetParent and GetName though |
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| 18:52.35 | unsolo | does the tga need to originate from lower right and does it need compression ? |
| 18:52.47 | unsolo | lower left sorry |
| 18:55.49 | Beladona | no, originate topleft, unless you want to do some TexCoords to make it right side up in-game |
| 18:55.56 | Beladona | =\ |
| 18:56.35 | Beladona | and I always do my tga 24/32 bigs, compressed |
| 18:56.38 | Beladona | bits* |
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| 18:58.52 | Maldivia | Iriel: do you know, if we can do secureframe:Click() from a macro (out of combat), and the [Pre|On|Post]Click scripts will be run ? |
| 19:00.35 | Iriel | You can call it, they will run, they will not run securely. |
| 19:01.03 | Maldivia | OK |
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| 19:02.27 | Maldivia | was just thingking of for isntance TargetUnit, which then could be rewritte to a few SetAttribute and a Click call |
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| 19:05.08 | unsolo | hmm |
| 19:05.16 | unsolo | using tga should work with background |
| 19:05.23 | malreth | oh my... i have to pee |
| 19:05.29 | malreth | and eat lunch |
| 19:05.37 | malreth | but WHICH TO DO FIRST?!? |
| 19:05.45 | zenzelezz | do both |
| 19:05.47 | Thunder_Child | pee |
| 19:05.51 | unsolo | bgfile="Interface\AddOns\Mymod\Myfile.tga" |
| 19:06.18 | Iriel | Maldivia, That wont work |
| 19:06.24 | malreth | bbl |
| 19:06.27 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah, that what I figured :) |
| 19:06.53 | Maldivia | Iriel: unless of course click actually happened on the button, and the attributes was set in PreClick |
| 19:07.08 | Mery | hmm if /startattack [unit] is possible wouldn't it be consequent to make /cast spellname unit and /petattack unit also? |
| 19:07.15 | Iriel | Yes, that'd work, outside of combat |
| 19:08.02 | Iriel | Mery, Parsing become non-trivial in those cases |
| 19:08.04 | Maldivia | of course, only talking about out of combat here - so if people want to make an out-of-combat decursive, they can do that... |
| 19:08.08 | unsolo | hmm for some stupid reason that image will not show.. |
| 19:08.22 | Iriel | Mery, Though you can bind keys to those sorts of things now. |
| 19:08.25 | Maldivia | unsolo: restarted WoW after you put the file there? |
| 19:08.45 | unsolo | hmm that might be a good reason if it requires one to. |
| 19:08.49 | Iriel | Maldivia, Sure, you dont even have to do SetAttribute tricks OOC, you can move frames around, etc |
| 19:09.07 | unsolo | but does it pick up files that are located in interface/addons/myaddon/images ? |
| 19:09.31 | Maldivia | unsolo: when wow starts, it reads the filenames of all files in its folder and subfolder |
| 19:09.46 | unsolo | aha. |
| 19:09.50 | Maldivia | unsolo: files added after wow has started, are ignored and can't be referenced from within the game, until the client restarts |
| 19:10.22 | Maldivia | unsolo: changes to existing files can be reloaded without restarting the client |
| 19:10.47 | Maldivia | Iriel: true, or for the lazy priests: OOC auto-find-dead-person-to-ress |
| 19:10.48 | unsolo | hmm |
| 19:12.41 | Maldivia | Goodbye IsBuffActive! |
| 19:12.47 | Maldivia | UnitHasBuff("unit", "name"[, "rank"]) |
| 19:12.48 | Maldivia | UnitHasDebuff("unit", "name"[, "rank"]) |
| 19:13.00 | Xuerian | Haha, sweet. |
| 19:13.18 | Osagasu | WTS [My Soul] for beta privvies. Twoof. kthxbai. |
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| 19:15.15 | unsolo | ahh there we go |
| 19:15.35 | unsolo | at least it shows a picture of some sort xD |
| 19:15.37 | unsolo | w |
| 19:15.43 | Maldivia | heh |
| 19:15.44 | unsolo | ZG run then ill continue.. |
| 19:15.57 | unsolo | bgfile gets tiled.. |
| 19:16.24 | unsolo | not wery useful use of a 512x512 texture hehe.. |
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| 19:23.57 | tyroney|work | Ok, now I'm bummed. |
| 19:26.22 | Iriel | whyso tyroney|work ? |
| 19:26.52 | tyroney|work | I used to have a binding; hold it down, the action bar is on one page. Let go, it's back where it was. I have yet to figure out a way to replicate this. |
| 19:26.58 | tyroney|work | in 2.0 |
| 19:29.05 | Osagasu | I think I know why I've been DCing a lot today. |
| 19:29.31 | tyroney|work | Ultimately I have faith that I can adapt, but all this change is stressful, even for someone who's quite happy with all the upcoming changes. |
| 19:30.21 | tyroney|work | Sun spots? |
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| 19:31.07 | jaxdahl | yay, no more looping through buffs/debuffs and checking the texture |
| 19:31.13 | jaxdahl | why didn't they do this sooner? |
| 19:31.31 | Maldivia | tyroney: well, there might still be some changes. Could be they added so you can select if your binding should run onDown or onUp ? |
| 19:32.51 | Iriel | The key bind stuff has been changing, I dont think that stuff's settled yet. |
| 19:33.23 | jaxdahl | Maldivia, what did you mean by returning nil and [number of applications] ? |
| 19:33.28 | tyroney|work | It's exciting, all these changes, and changes to changes, and additions, and, uh, stuff. |
| 19:33.37 | jaxdahl | did you mean 'nil or [number of applications]' ? |
| 19:34.03 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 19:34.40 | Maldivia | was meant as nil - when the debuff is not on, [number of applications] - when the debuff is on |
| 19:35.31 | Maldivia | so if you wanted to know how many sunders there's on, you can do: numSunders = UnitHasDebuff("target", "Sunder Armor") |
| 19:38.49 | Iriel | the other approach would be trueOrNil, numberOfApplications |
| 19:39.10 | Iriel | which I THINK is consistent with some existing API's |
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| 19:41.32 | malreth | my business.... is done! |
| 19:42.02 | Maldivia | yeah, just figured that a number would evaluate to true, so if people didn't care about applications, then they would just do if Uni... then |
| 19:42.51 | Iriel | The question is whether non-stackables track an 'application' count |
| 19:42.52 | Maldivia | but yeah, 2 return values might be more consistent with existing API calls |
| 19:43.08 | tyroney|work | I wish there wasn't a one-machine clause on the beta. I guess It's a good excuse to keep working on my real characters. |
| 19:44.25 | jaxdahl | can anyone in the beta tell me what level you are and how much XP you get for killing an equal level mob? (excluding rest xp) |
| 19:44.30 | jaxdahl | (and not in a group/party/raid) |
| 19:44.46 | jaxdahl | i'm trying to come up with the new formula they're using |
| 19:45.26 | Mery | lvl 60 killing lvl 60 humanoid 516 |
| 19:45.28 | Maldivia | Iriel: I think Unit[Debuff|Buff] current return 0 for those |
| 19:45.35 | malreth | i'd be wary of extrapolating the xp-to-level formula... they might change it for release |
| 19:46.25 | Maldivia | I think the xp you get for killing an equal-level mob will stay the same |
| 19:47.07 | Maldivia | or... hmm |
| 19:47.33 | Maldivia | Mery, you say you're gettting 516xp as lvl60 killing a lvl60, without rest/group/etc bonus ? |
| 19:47.48 | Mery | yes |
| 19:48.29 | Maldivia | thats quite a jump from a 59 killing a 59... |
| 19:48.29 | Hatsuki | doesnt it vary? some elites reward more xp than others |
| 19:48.29 | Maldivia | elites are 2x xp |
| 19:48.33 | jaxdahl | malreth, yea they're changing it |
| 19:48.37 | jaxdahl | and they may change it again |
| 19:48.42 | Mery | killing a lvl 59 504xp and they were not elite |
| 19:48.56 | jaxdahl | are you killing a level 60 in the outland? |
| 19:48.58 | Maldivia | from level 1 to 59, you get 45 + (5 * level) |
| 19:48.58 | jaxdahl | or in azeroth? |
| 19:49.03 | Mery | outland |
| 19:49.06 | Maldivia | for killing equal level mobs |
| 19:49.07 | jaxdahl | interesting |
| 19:49.27 | jaxdahl | how close are you to 61? |
| 19:49.40 | jaxdahl | and that was 516 with no res txp? |
| 19:49.44 | jaxdahl | hmm yea |
| 19:49.45 | Maldivia | meaning, 59 killing a 59 (non expansion) gives 340 xp |
| 19:50.16 | Mikma | Kaso: names fixed yet? :) |
| 19:50.37 | Kaso | i doubt it ever will |
| 19:50.38 | Mery | I have only leveled 2 boxes right now so not far in 60 |
| 19:51.26 | Mikma | Kaso: oh well, that's a shame |
| 19:51.54 | Xuerian | Might they just be upping the xp ratio for beta? o_0 |
| 19:51.58 | malreth | yep |
| 19:52.02 | Kaso | short of doing a not very nice, stand-in nametag with fontstrings, it'd be hard to do it properly |
| 19:52.03 | malreth | it's not an uncommon thing |
| 19:52.05 | malreth | in mmo's that is |
| 19:52.22 | Iriel | It would make sense for the Xp to be boosted at the high end so people can reach the high level content before the beta ends |
| 19:52.25 | Beladona | do we know for sure that the xp rates in beta aren't just to enable us to test thing more quickly? |
| 19:52.50 | malreth | Mythic did the same with DAoC betas |
| 19:52.50 | Beladona | nm, Iriel beat me to it |
| 19:57.08 | jaxdahl | yes, they changed the xp to level rates from teh alpha to the beta |
| 19:57.18 | jaxdahl | but i am still interested in determining what it is |
| 19:57.47 | jaxdahl | i think they are merely adjusting xp gains though at this point |
| 19:57.51 | jaxdahl | rather than the xp to level |
| 19:59.51 | Fisker | btw Iriel |
| 20:00.02 | Fisker | do you know if the trojan scanner when starting TBC is gonna be permanent? |
| 20:00.13 | Iriel | I have no idea, I dont see why it would not be |
| 20:01.38 | Fisker | btw did i understand it correctly when Drysc said that level 60's wouldn't have any rested exp to help them with TBC |
| 20:02.07 | AnduinLothar | did in alpha, not sure if they changed it |
| 20:02.24 | Fisker | well my beta char didn't have rested exp as well |
| 20:02.27 | Shadowed | yeah thats what was said earlier |
| 20:02.32 | Fisker | just wondering if they would go retail with it |
| 20:03.02 | Kaso | makes sense, rested is just a mechanic to help irregular players keep up, theres no need for it when we all start in tbc |
| 20:03.17 | Fisker | not that hard to level either |
| 20:03.25 | Shadowed | I find it silly |
| 20:03.27 | Shadowed | but oh well |
| 20:03.34 | Fisker | ~550 exp each mob, and quests give around 7k |
| 20:03.38 | Fisker | and there are tons of quests :P |
| 20:04.00 | Fisker | one hour until the raid is over though |
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| 20:14.13 | Tuller | hurray for UnitHasBuff :) |
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| 20:17.42 | Maldivia | Iriel: your UnitHasBuff post... Freudian slip ? |
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| 20:18.46 | Iriel | Maldivia, That's awesome, thanks., 8-) I have no idea. |
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| 20:20.40 | AnduinLothar | lol, it's in my quote still |
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| 20:26.47 | tyroney|work | I might have to take a day of work sometime real soon. |
| 20:29.54 | fox689 | what do you do? |
| 20:31.49 | tyroney|work | Assorted things. IS, facilities, mail, moving boxes of teddy bears. "other duties as assigned" is the biggest part of my job description. |
| 20:32.26 | fox689 | fun |
| 20:33.53 | tyroney|work | tyroney|work It's at a non-profit, (Seattle Opera,) so there're neat people and stuff like that. |
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| 20:34.36 | zenzelezz | woot, Maexxna down \o/ |
| 20:34.53 | zenzelezz | she turned to me when I was in berserker stance... now that was spooky |
| 20:35.07 | Mery | grats! |
| 20:35.16 | tyroney|work | Sounds exciting. |
| 20:35.57 | zenzelezz | indeed... never seen so many heals on me before |
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| 20:38.23 | Kaso | Hmm, seems theyve nurfed people using Iron Grenades for the stun effect. |
| 20:38.39 | Shadowed | ? |
| 20:38.39 | Shadowed | how |
| 20:39.03 | Kaso | well at least high level grenades have target level req on them |
| 20:39.04 | Kaso | http://chimpymonkey.awfulimages.com/files/13/13d108874982407f084eb72f409b8caf9f83534d.jpgv |
| 20:39.25 | Kaso | exrtraplating back, iron grenade would be ineffective against 45+ |
| 20:40.09 | Shadowed | no "v" at the end btw :p |
| 20:40.24 | malreth | random question time: does anyone know how to alternate print jobs between printers in a shared printer pool on server 2003? |
| 20:40.30 | Kaso | Ctrl-vv ftl |
| 20:41.07 | Shadowed | hehe |
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| 20:42.20 | Maldivia | Kaso: for some reason, I always keep pressing ctrl-b multiple times :) |
| 20:42.36 | Maldivia | but that's mainly in game... :) |
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| 20:45.42 | tyroney|work | The auto-loot change is going to bother me for quite a while, it looks like. I keep using or not using shift at the wrong time. |
| 20:45.55 | Maldivia | heh |
| 20:46.57 | Shadowed | whats the auto loot feature? |
| 20:47.16 | tyroney|work | You and auto-loot by default, which reverses the functionality of shift. |
| 20:47.22 | tyroney|work | s/and/can/ |
| 20:48.05 | Shadowed | ah |
| 20:48.26 | Kaso | i dont think id feel safe having auto loot perma on |
| 20:48.30 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34384073&sid=1 Taruse: assuming finger tips |
| 20:48.31 | malreth | WTF? |
| 20:49.12 | malreth | he really enjoys playing the victim |
| 20:49.15 | tyroney|work | You know, all those fingerless players. Judging by chat typos, there must be a lot of them. |
| 20:50.06 | malreth | he's got arthritis, i understand, but you'd think his hands were chopped off or something with his incessant whining |
| 20:51.27 | Fisker | that was fucking funny malreth |
| 20:51.32 | Shadowed | lol |
| 20:51.39 | Fisker | even if it was serious |
| 20:52.12 | Shadowed | i don't think he realises that theres a point where you shouldn't be playing the game |
| 20:52.22 | tyroney|work | Hey, it's a fun game |
| 20:52.42 | Shadowed | yeah, but theres a point where you're out of luck :p |
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| 21:01.16 | Osagasu | Wait, did Iriel code something specifically for the 2.0 UI that Slouken put in? |
| 21:01.32 | Shadowed | Iriel already has some code in WoW |
| 21:02.03 | Osagasu | That wasn't what I asked. |
| 21:02.44 | Beladona | why, do you see his name? =P |
| 21:03.04 | Osagasu | Did Iriel code the "state header and the new key binding overrides" specifically for the 2.0 UI, like Slouken's post seems to signify? |
| 21:03.16 | Beladona | hint: look at the ui code |
| 21:03.21 | Osagasu | -.- |
| 21:03.22 | Maldivia | Iriel has help code some of the new secure templates, yes |
| 21:03.22 | Beladona | Iriel isn't the only name you will find |
| 21:03.48 | Osagasu | I might, but I don't have access to the beta Frame XML. |
| 21:03.53 | tyroney|work | It almost scares me that many ui's come up as the first result on a simple search for their name, especially when their name isn't necessarily unique. |
| 21:03.59 | Beladona | sure you do |
| 21:04.00 | Maldivia | Iriel, Cide, Esamynn, Tem, Cladhaire - might be more |
| 21:04.12 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/compare/2005991/live |
| 21:04.30 | tyroney|work | sweet |
| 21:04.41 | Osagasu | and which one is it? |
| 21:04.54 | Maldivia | check SecureTemplates.lua |
| 21:05.51 | Osagasu | So... you spent more time telling me how to check it when it's probably the only thing I'm going to check... than the simple yes or know, when you obviously already knew? |
| 21:05.59 | Osagasu | Isn't that a little counter productive? |
| 21:06.13 | Shadowed | Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for life |
| 21:06.21 | Beladona | well, we were supposed to have people find it on their own |
| 21:06.25 | Beladona | not just tell them |
| 21:06.27 | tyroney|work | Build a man a fire... |
| 21:06.33 | Shadowed | or until all the fish run out |
| 21:06.35 | Shadowed | then he's screwed |
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| 21:07.05 | Mikk | ~lart Shadowed |
| 21:07.12 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 21:07.19 | Mikk | That..... was new. |
| 21:07.32 | Iriel | Osagasu: Yes, I did. |
| 21:07.35 | Shadowed | lol |
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| 21:08.20 | Maldivia | isn't lart choosen randomly from a pool? |
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| 21:08.37 | malreth | OMG all tghe healers in my guild quitt! |
| 21:08.54 | Mikk | speaking of screwed... :-P |
| 21:08.58 | Cide | OMG I PLAY A PRIEST I WILL GQUIT TOO! |
| 21:09.02 | Mikk | the tanks been whining too much? =) |
| 21:09.08 | Shadowed | I play a priest |
| 21:09.11 | Maldivia | malreth: time to train First Aid? |
| 21:09.13 | Cide | I invite selective quoting way too much. |
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| 21:10.03 | Shadowed | i'm not quitting either >_> |
| 21:10.03 | Shadowed | overparanoid whiny bastards |
| 21:10.03 | malreth | Maldivia: ill haev to i have no choice! |
| 21:10.03 | Cide | I actually look forward to dispelling manually |
| 21:10.04 | Tain | I already went through dozens of bandages at a time WITH healers. |
| 21:10.04 | tyroney|work | I just got my priest back out after a whole year of nothing, hoping to take advantage of the shortage of skillz |
| 21:10.04 | malreth | Tain must be a rogue then |
| 21:10.04 | Tain | You betcha. |
| 21:10.04 | Mikk | Or a warlock =) |
| 21:10.21 | malreth | hahah! how did i know? |
| 21:10.21 | Cide | rogues deserve to use bandages |
| 21:10.21 | Tain | No one heals rogues. :( |
| 21:10.21 | Cide | warlocks just deserve to die, period. ;) |
| 21:10.27 | Beladona | OMG, PEOPLE MIGHT NEED TO BUY POTIONS MORE OFTEN |
| 21:10.33 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:10.41 | Mikk | healers in my guilld basically refuse to heal people that don't have the recently bandaged debuff on them |
| 21:10.41 | Maldivia | some guilds will really get a wakeup call, when they can no longer have dispellers just spam decursive, and spam "emergency heal" |
| 21:10.49 | Mikk | no problem -- i have it most of the time from fixing up my mana =) |
| 21:10.49 | Tain | I made it a point to do herbalism and alchemy. |
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| 21:11.20 | Cide | poor tanks |
| 21:11.25 | Cide | have to stop and bandage every minute |
| 21:11.31 | Mikk | haha |
| 21:11.35 | Mikk | well.. except tanks :-P |
| 21:11.37 | Beladona | not if they are a good tank |
| 21:11.38 | Tain | well just look at it this way |
| 21:11.46 | Tain | Bandaging is heal aggro. |
| 21:11.50 | Maldivia | well, it doesn't start global cooldown, so they just have to macro it :) |
| 21:11.56 | Tain | So if you need to keep aggro, that's another way to do it! |
| 21:12.04 | tyroney|work | So people literally ran entire raids automatedly? (As far as healing/decursing) |
| 21:12.08 | Mikk | yes |
| 21:12.22 | Maldivia | unfortunately, a lot of people do |
| 21:12.28 | Beladona | TimmyTank: hey you, mage. Tank this a sec. *bandage* |
| 21:12.29 | Mikk | usually the ones topping the healing sharts just spam click on the emergency meter |
| 21:12.32 | Tain | Decursing yeah. Healing... well you could but I really don't think most healers were *that* automated all of the time. |
| 21:12.53 | End | spamming emergency meter is a good way to overheal |
| 21:12.58 | Mikk | no kidding |
| 21:13.07 | End | I learned that my first MC run :P |
| 21:13.11 | Beladona | whihch is why you see so many healers going OOM halfway through a boss fight |
| 21:13.14 | End | I never used the emergency meter after that |
| 21:13.25 | Maldivia | the smart healers use renew, so their overheals aren't registered |
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| 21:14.08 | Mikk | Beladona: Well... it'd be kinda ok if there was a healing rotation set up and there was a fresh set of healers to replace them. This is usually not the case though =) |
| 21:14.30 | End | my guild was big on healing rotation originally |
| 21:15.47 | Maldivia | healing rotations can put a lot of strain on the healers |
| 21:16.04 | Beladona | going home, bbiab |
| 21:16.36 | Cide | we have never, ever used a heal rotation |
| 21:16.49 | Cide | I don't think blizzard designs encounters so that you need them, really |
| 21:17.01 | Cide | because that's not very interesting gameplay |
| 21:17.07 | wereHamster | when I played a healer (priest) in BWL all I did was spamming mind blast and smite until I went oom |
| 21:17.13 | Plorkyeran | The game mechanics don't really support them |
| 21:17.30 | Plorkyeran | Past early MC tanks don't die because the healers ran out of mana |
| 21:18.19 | Shadowed | the only time we've used a heal rotation is loatheb |
| 21:18.21 | Mikk | Well... we actually do little rotations here and there. |
| 21:18.25 | Shadowed | and evne then, thats only because you have to |
| 21:18.26 | End | well, originally we did it on luci and mag mostly |
| 21:18.41 | Mikk | Often when you have a loooong fight and need to off-tank something |
| 21:18.42 | End | mag mostly because of fear |
| 21:18.46 | Mikk | Put a tank and 2 healers off in a corner |
| 21:18.50 | Mikk | Those 2 healers rotate |
| 21:19.13 | Plorkyeran | We did healing rotations until people finally realized that having 15k mana wasn't a very useful goal |
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| 21:19.34 | Plorkyeran | And then suddenly we didn't have mana problems anymore |
| 21:20.22 | Josh_Borke | Mikk! |
| 21:20.25 | Josh_Borke | wb :-) |
| 21:20.46 | Mikk | It's g'nite-time (ugt) |
| 21:20.51 | Josh_Borke | i got wowbench to finally work for me |
| 21:20.53 | Josh_Borke | ok bye mikk |
| 21:20.55 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 21:20.57 | Tain | And even worse, Phantasy Star Universe open beta is going on right now and my Xbox 360 is in the shop for repairs. :( |
| 21:21.02 | Mikk | getfenv() yes? |
| 21:21.05 | Mikk | you said already |
| 21:21.13 | Josh_Borke | i also sorta got the coms working |
| 21:21.19 | Josh_Borke | but it doesn't appear that AceComm is fully working |
| 21:21.25 | Mikk | oh |
| 21:21.38 | Mikk | ohyeah.. i was going to give you svn access |
| 21:21.42 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:21.46 | Mikk | gimme an sf.net account |
| 21:21.47 | Josh_Borke | i still don't have sf.net login |
| 21:21.53 | Mikk | well get one =) |
| 21:21.56 | Josh_Borke | i've been busy :-) |
| 21:22.05 | Josh_Borke | i'll get one this weekend and pm it to you or something :-D |
| 21:22.18 | Mikk | haha ok |
| 21:22.21 | Iriel | tain: Repair #1? |
| 21:22.44 | Tain | Yeah Iriel, I only had it six weeks. |
| 21:23.02 | Iriel | Mine died after about that long too, no problems on the replacement |
| 21:23.32 | Osagasu | PSU is open beta? DAMN |
| 21:23.43 | Osagasu | Screw wanting BC! bye! |
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| 21:23.50 | Tain | My small sample set of, "Everyone I personally know that has a 360" shows that they are 100% defective. :) |
| 21:23.52 | Osagasu | Okay, I'm done. |
| 21:23.54 | Iriel | How does one get to an open beta on the XBox 360 anyway? |
| 21:23.58 | Iriel | Tain: Mine also |
| 21:24.10 | Tain | You can download it through Live Arcade if you have a HD. |
| 21:24.21 | Iriel | Since today? |
| 21:24.24 | Iriel | or some time ago? |
| 21:24.59 | Osagasu | Why the hell is it that all the GOOD games are coming out 2-3 days after my birthday? |
| 21:25.08 | Tain | Since today, I think this morning |
| 21:25.18 | Tain | Only open until next Wednesday though. |
| 21:25.34 | Iriel | Osagasu, So that people can give you cash, or gift cards? |
| 21:25.36 | Tain | oh.. requires a Gold Xbox live membership though. |
| 21:25.56 | Tain | And when it's actually released you'll have to pay a separate monthly fee besides Live. |
| 21:26.01 | Mikk | fook. people have been submitting patches to wowbench on sf.net and i haven't even noticed |
| 21:26.14 | Shadowed | bad mikk |
| 21:26.48 | Osagasu | That isn't how my family works, though. :< |
| 21:27.07 | Osagasu | Especially not this year, since I'm going to visit the majority of them this christmas. |
| 21:30.14 | Iriel | Tain: I have gold, that's not an issue.. I just want to SEE it, never played the PS games |
| 21:32.36 | Tain | Well the Phantasy Star role playing games were a lot of fun. Phantasy Star Online was great. It wasn't a persistent world, it was more Diablo-like in that it was a big story that you could play through missions with other people. |
| 21:32.54 | Josh_Borke | bye all |
| 21:33.22 | AnduinLothar | NIfty, jewelcrafters can make a lvl 53 neck: 35+heal 3mp5 |
| 21:33.27 | Tain | But more of a feel like WoW in how you played. I don't know a lot about Phantasy Star Universe yhet. |
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| 21:39.06 | Fisker | Iriel |
| 21:39.16 | Fisker | I dunno if you're into this or not |
| 21:39.19 | malreth | yes? |
| 21:39.23 | Fisker | But we won a contest for the keys |
| 21:39.25 | malreth | oh... Iriel... not malreth |
| 21:39.29 | Fisker | with the minimum age of 18 |
| 21:39.37 | Fisker | Our guild leader is over 18 |
| 21:39.50 | Fisker | but some of the members who want is under the age of 18 |
| 21:40.02 | malreth | they should give the keys to me then |
| 21:40.06 | Fisker | :P |
| 21:40.10 | malreth | it's the right thing to do |
| 21:40.35 | Iriel | Hm, how was the contest worded? Does just the guild leader need to be over 18? or all participants? |
| 21:40.49 | AnduinLothar | didn't it jsut say over 18 to enter? |
| 21:42.39 | Fisker | yeah i think so |
| 21:42.46 | Fisker | the site is down so i can't see the contest rules :/ |
| 21:45.41 | tyroney|work | I wonder if I completed 20 quests for that one contest. I totally forgot about it; maybe I can still send in a postcard. |
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| 21:46.28 | wereHamster | I'm over 18! |
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| 21:55.53 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 21:59.04 | Kirkburn | All I want to do is read the news :( Bit hard when every 30 seconds the connection dies .... |
| 21:59.16 | Cide | :( |
| 21:59.18 | Shadowed | read faster |
| 21:59.33 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 22:00.55 | AnduinLothar | wiki down? |
| 22:02.10 | Kirkburn | Seems so |
| 22:02.33 | Kirkburn | Draenei females really are beautiful, I must say |
| 22:02.58 | ggilbert | Yeah. Draenei males are a bit chunky though |
| 22:03.29 | ckknight | hey, they know how to make _real_ women. |
| 22:06.28 | Shadowed | big breasts, bathing suit armor? |
| 22:06.36 | Shadowed | maybe if they're modeling off barbie! |
| 22:06.44 | Mery | lol on a side note (just because I'm curious): Did they want real signed permissions that you allow them to use "your contributions"? |
| 22:06.58 | Shadowed | Mery: ? |
| 22:07.34 | Mery | question for iriel, cide and ... that have their names in the interface code |
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| 22:09.01 | Kirkburn | (oookay, I think I'm just going to give up for now and watch TV or something. Hopefully see you guys later!) |
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| 22:32.27 | Thunder_Child | ~bored |
| 22:32.31 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 22:33.00 | Thunder_Child | ~beer |
| 22:33.01 | purl | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 22:33.47 | ckknight | somebody give me a value that I believe in |
| 22:33.53 | ckknight | I can't think of one |
| 22:34.01 | Tain | Five |
| 22:34.05 | Thunder_Child | E=MC2 |
| 22:34.25 | Beladona | "the only good sushi is dead sushi" |
| 22:35.20 | Thunder_Child | "There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." |
| 22:35.28 | ckknight | okay, I'm good |
| 22:35.50 | Tain | I believe that children are the future. |
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| 22:39.26 | Thunder_Child | bleh |
| 22:43.22 | Thunder_Child | "life is a disease: sexually transmitted and always fatal" |
| 22:47.04 | Thunder_Child | "my pairents said i could be come ANYTHING, so i became an asshole" |
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| 22:52.50 | Thunder_Child | "to save time, let's just assume i know everything" |
| 22:53.45 | Kaso | are there any beta mirrors up yet ? |
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| 22:58.49 | Shadowed | Cide: Does CTRA still have the freeze up bug for some people if they're in a raid, or did you guys find a fix for that? |
| 22:58.56 | Cide | who knows |
| 22:59.11 | Cide | every time someone freezes they blame ctra, but I don't really know if it's fixed or not |
| 22:59.12 | Shadowed | nobody reports it then? :p |
| 22:59.14 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 22:59.17 | Cide | or if it's a ctra bug or a blizz bug |
| 22:59.28 | Cide | or both |
| 22:59.29 | Cide | or neither |
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| 23:10.57 | cladhaire4613 | Didn't someone here either work on Miranda, or use it? |
| 23:11.03 | cladhaire4613 | Trying to get some things figured out =) |
| 23:12.32 | Iriel | The functional language? |
| 23:14.16 | Tain | Miranda, the creators of ICQ? |
| 23:14.20 | Tain | oh missed |
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| 23:18.37 | cladhaire | nah im still here =) |
| 23:21.12 | Tain | Oh well it doesn't matter, I was thinking of Mirabilis, not Miranda. |
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| 23:30.37 | Thunder_Child | did anyone that had the alpha client need to download the beta client because of a version mismatch? |
| 23:31.35 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 23:33.34 | Iriel | The beta client is a totally clean install, is if it arrived on DVD, it's not an upgrade to any other client as far as I can tell |
| 23:34.03 | Thunder_Child | so i just read on the forums...bleh |
| 23:35.01 | ckknight | could I somehow install the beta for enGB on top of my enUS install? |
| 23:35.32 | Kaso | why would you want to ckknight? |
| 23:35.44 | Thunder_Child | he has friends in GB places |
| 23:35.57 | ckknight | because I have access to an EU account that has beta, but I normally play on US |
| 23:36.13 | Kaso | you can play on EU servers with enUS |
| 23:36.38 | Kaso | just change SET realmList in your config.wtf |
| 23:37.47 | ckknight | k, so will I be able to install the enGB beta on top of my enUS install? |
| 23:37.55 | Kaso | no you will not |
| 23:38.00 | Thunder_Child | it's not ontop of it pulls from it |
| 23:38.09 | Kaso | but if you install the enUS beta you can us it to play on the EU servers anyway |
| 23:38.15 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:38.17 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:38.23 | Thunder_Child | the 2gb install pulls from the reg instalation to give you a 5-7 gb program |
| 23:39.18 | Iriel | Thunder_Child, That's true, but the REGULAR client, not the alpha client. (I believe I read somewhere that the alpha client must be UNINSTALLED before the beta client is to be installed) |
| 23:39.28 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 23:39.39 | Thunder_Child | i did say reg |
| 23:45.51 | Thunder_Child | is there a torrent (no magnet) for the file? |
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| 23:46.51 | Kaso | is there a http or ftp ? stupid uni firewall :< |
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| 23:59.30 | wereHamster | why did purl do that? |
| 23:59.39 | Beladona | I have no earthly idea |
| 23:59.45 | Thunder_Child | because Esamynn was bored |
