irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20061018

`00:00.07`	`Xavalia`	`well in orgri it is across the bank and next to the AH and the repair guy is next to the ah at the otherside`
`00:00.09`	`Xavalia`	`not bad if you ask me`
`00:00.23`	`zenzelezz`	`flight master is right nearby also`
`00:00.30`	`Xavalia`	`indeed`
`00:00.44`	`Xavalia`	`although I hate getting up that tower`
`00:00.55`	`Xavalia`	`why the heck is it round and high? blegh >.<`
`00:01.42`	`zenzelezz`	`by the time you get up you're already nauseus, then you get on the flying lion thing... calls for air sickness :)`
`00:01.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`because if it was square and short it would not be a tower`
`00:02.04`	`Xavalia`	`atleast easier to access`
`00:02.32`	`Kaso`	`aarg, ventrilo is making me crazy :< i cant get my proxy to work right, anyone happen to have a detailed understanding of how vent's communications work`
`00:02.37`	`Xavalia`	`zenzelezz, I hate cause half the time i fall down at the start.. annoying as hell to get out of that narrow spot`
`00:02.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmmm..maybe alchemists can make motion sicknes potions`
`00:03.17`	`zenzelezz`	`hehe`
`00:03.36`	`zenzelezz`	`I actually had running up that thing all worked out before I switched server`
`00:03.57`	`zenzelezz`	`had more trouble with the zeppelin tower outside`
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`00:04.15`	`Xavalia`	`same problem there`
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`00:21.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Goodnight one and all!`
`00:22.22`	`Cairenn`	`night Kirkburn`
`00:31.37`	`JoshBorke`	`hello`
`00:31.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`are you automaticly hostile with timbermaw hold?`
`00:31.55`	`Cairenn`	`hi Josh`
`00:32.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`Hello Josj`
`00:32.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/josj/josh/`
`00:32.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`...`
`00:32.25`	`JoshBorke`	`untell they like you, yes`
`00:32.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`sigh nothing like farming 3k rep off the bat`
`00:32.56`	`zenzelezz`	`you start not far from Unfriendly, IIRC`
`00:33.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`then i did something wrong`
`00:34.12`	`JoshBorke`	`yes, but in unfriendly they attack you`
`00:34.28`	`JoshBorke`	`do the RRQ's in felwood to raise your rep`
`00:34.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`mine says hostile..not unfriendly`
`00:34.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`i am`
`00:34.44`	`JoshBorke`	`it's pretty easy`
`00:34.55`	`zenzelezz`	`really? I could swear you started not far from a level where they would be passive to you, but not strictly like you`
`00:34.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`not when you are 48`
`00:35.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`and a holy spec'd priest`
`00:35.35`	`JoshBorke`	`switch to disc :-P`
`00:36.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have all of the disc things to make it easier, and it's still ahrder than say...shadow`
`00:36.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/ahrder/harder/`
`00:36.26`	`JoshBorke`	`i did it as a disc/holy priest`
`00:36.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`and i am doing it so far, but i am a bit low`
`00:36.53`	`JoshBorke`	`yea you are`
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`00:37.45`	`zenzelezz`	`why are you wanting to become their friend, to pass through the tunnel to Moonglade/Winterspring?`
`00:38.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`they have nice quest items`
`00:38.13`	`zenzelezz`	`aha`
`00:38.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont actuly need to be friends with the furry bastards`
`00:39.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`though good stuuf for rep with them`
`00:44.28`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`FuBars TopScoreFu ... whats the frame for the splash screen?`
`00:44.43`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`i run wow with 2 screens and its godam annoying to have the message half way between screens :<`
`00:46.14`	`JoshBorke`	`TopScoreFuSplash`
`00:46.29`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`ty <3`
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`01:07.43`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`i am now elligable to enter Easter Kingdoms 1, Choose an action:`
`01:07.48`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`[Enter Battle] [Hide]`
`01:07.53`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`well now thats a weird option o.O`
`01:11.40`	`JoshBorke`	`night all`
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`01:23.16`	`malreth`	`i can suck the life out of a shark!`
`01:24.06`	`Cairenn`	`hi malreth`
`01:24.17`	`malreth`	`hi Cairenn`
`01:24.19`	`cladhaire`	`o hai`
`01:24.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`with your mouth mal?`
`01:25.10`	`malreth`	`I'll demonstrate.`
`01:25.24`	`malreth`	`take this`
`01:25.53`	`malreth`	`ok, now bite into it and tell me what you taste.`
`01:26.29`	`malreth`	`go ahead, it won't hurt. you.`
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`01:28.02`	`malreth`	`ooh... Time to watch Pucca cartoon!`
`01:30.37`	`malreth`	`ha ha! they try to scare Garu with halloween masks but it doesn't work`
`01:30.58`	`malreth`	`and then Pucca shows up in a wedding dress and it scares the skeleton out of Garu! HAH A!`
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`01:59.51`	`McScott`	`Hello?`
`02:00.56`	`Cairenn`	`hi`
`02:13.51`	`Tem`	`bah I keep missing Tuller`
`02:14.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`well in tBC you can make a nat....`
`02:15.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/nat/net/`
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`02:34.32`	`malreth`	`huh?`
`02:36.25`	`McScott`	`Hello?`
`02:36.37`	`Xuerian`	`...`
`02:37.31`	`McScott`	`Um... I just found out that the people I know play on an RP-PVP realm. RP sounds kind of dumb. Does anyone here play on an RP realm?`
`02:37.41`	`Xuerian`	`I do.`
`02:37.49`	`McScott`	`Is it fun?`
`02:37.55`	`Xuerian`	`It's a PvE realm unless you roleplay.`
`02:38.06`	`McScott`	`I was more thinking PVE when I read about the different types.`
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`02:38.33`	`McScott`	`So you basically choose to roleplay if you wish?`
`02:39.16`	`Xuerian`	`And if you annoy/harass other people who -are- roleplaying, you get punshed :P`
`02:39.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, but no one wishes`
`02:39.28`	`McScott`	`I see.`
`02:39.38`	`Xuerian`	`s/punished/reported into oblivion/`
`02:39.49`	`Xuerian`	`haha. Would help if I spelled correctly`
`02:39.53`	`McScott`	`So do you think RP-PVP is the best type?`
`02:39.59`	`McScott`	`In your opinion.`
`02:40.01`	`Xuerian`	`No.`
`02:40.09`	`McScott`	`What do you think is the best?`
`02:40.16`	`Xuerian`	`Nor do I think PvE, PvP, or RP is the best type`
`02:40.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`whatever you enjoy`
`02:40.35`	`McScott`	`I'm just asking your opinion. Which do you prefer the most?`
`02:40.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`you need to try it for yourself no one can tell you what YOU like`
`02:40.46`	`McScott`	`I understand.`
`02:40.48`	`McScott`	`I`
`02:40.51`	`McScott`	`Oops.`
`02:41.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`umm..i prefer pve non rp personaly`
`02:41.11`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119)`
`02:41.11`	`McScott`	`I'm practically being forced to play on an RP-PVP because that is the realm the people I know are playing on.`
`02:41.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`if i want to rp i play dnd`
`02:41.16`	`Xuerian`	`I prefer RP or PvE functionally, because my computer sucks and pvp is pointless. I prefer any variety of pvp personally because I like the risk`
`02:41.30`	`Xuerian`	`McScott: Such is wow`
`02:41.33`	`ckknight`	`I like RP realms.`
`02:41.37`	`McScott`	`I just think roleplaying is somewhat dorky.`
`02:41.48`	`Xuerian`	`good for you`
`02:41.53`	`ckknight`	`I just like that people have sane names in RP realms`
`02:41.59`	`McScott`	`That's what I hear.`
`02:42.00`	`ckknight`	`instead of "Lovestospooge"`
`02:42.06`	`Xuerian`	`Actually`
`02:42.22`	`McScott`	`But, why not just face the fact that you're playing a game and controlling a character.`
`02:42.24`	`Xuerian`	`Though he was probably banned a little while later, I saw someone with that name in Argent Dawn a day ago :P`
`02:42.30`	`McScott`	`You don't have to BE the character.`
`02:42.37`	`Xuerian`	`McScott: That's what PvE and PvP realms are for`
`02:42.52`	`McScott`	`But I guess if you have the option, it's no big deal.`
`02:43.07`	`McScott`	`I can tolerate it as long as I'm not forced to roleplay.`
`02:43.10`	`Xuerian`	`To be blunt, you have your opinions. That's fine. You're bashing RP, albeit gently, It annoys me greatly. Choose and get on with things`
`02:43.13`	`ckknight`	`McScott, you're not forced to roleplay`
`02:43.21`	`ckknight`	`just join a guild that has "light RP" or "no RP"`
`02:43.23`	`McScott`	`He said that.`
`02:43.29`	`McScott`	`Yeah.`
`02:43.56`	`McScott`	`The people I know said they play on a realm called Maelstrom.`
`02:44.01`	`ckknight`	`I like RP, and you don't like it, and that's okay, just don't put RP down for the sake of putting it down.`
`02:44.04`	`McScott`	`Which is RP-PVP.`
`02:44.17`	`McScott`	`I have nothing against it.`
`02:44.28`	`ckknight`	`<McScott> I just think roleplaying is somewhat dorky.`
`02:44.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`unless it's in person`
`02:44.46`	`Xuerian`	`Just. Get. On. With. Choosing.`
`02:44.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats what makes D&D`
`02:44.55`	`malreth`	`see, Thunder_Child`
`02:45.02`	`malreth`	`and that's how it works!`
`02:45.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah`
`02:45.07`	`McScott`	`Yeah, that's just my personal opinion. It's not even based on anything, so don't take me so seriously.`
`02:45.40`	`McScott`	`Honestly, I have no idea what RP is really like.`
`02:45.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`carefull your getting very good at sucking men....`
`02:45.40`	`Xuerian`	`McScott: Try saying that in the company of RPer's on a RP server.`
`02:45.40`	`McScott`	`Ha-ha!`
`02:45.53`	`Xuerian`	`It's fine if you don't like it, if you don't like it, just don't do it ;)`
`02:46.02`	`McScott`	`Right on!`
`02:46.10`	`Xuerian`	`Thank you. >_<`
`02:46.40`	`McScott`	`Anyways, uh... going to start my trial thing now.`
`02:46.51`	`malreth`	`Do it.`
`02:46.52`	`Xuerian`	`Good boy.`
`02:46.56`	`Xuerian`	`Go get'em.`
`02:46.58`	`McScott`	`Ahahaha!`
`02:46.58`	`malreth`	`listen to me... Do it.`
`02:47.07`	`malreth`	`Do it.`
`02:47.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`GL`
`02:47.23`	`McScott`	`Oh the joys of being a newbie.`
`02:47.24`	`ckknight`	`just do it.`
`02:47.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, the newbie days`
`02:47.57`	`malreth`	`if you're not lv 10 by tonight, we'll laugh at you`
`02:47.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`tear brings back memorys`
`02:47.58`	`ckknight`	`I was never a noob, I was born gosu`
`02:48.56`	`ckknight`	`wider doorways, is all`
`02:48.56`	`McScott`	`Er... never mind!`
`02:49.01`	`McScott`	`Dammit!`
`02:49.08`	`McScott`	`Another freakin' update.`
`02:49.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`~deflate ckknight`
`02:49.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`:(`
`02:49.35`	`McScott`	`Ooh, maybe it's already done.`
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`02:50.28`	`malreth`	`what, you're not lv 2 yet?`
`02:51.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`DAMIT...amazon is such a bastard`
`02:51.17`	`malreth`	`did you not order your BC:CE in time?`
`02:51.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`i did, but they are restricting preorders to one per person`
`02:51.40`	`malreth`	`ah... yeah.`
`02:51.46`	`ckknight`	`I haven't preordered yet`
`02:51.49`	`ckknight`	`think I should?`
`02:51.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`after i bought my 3`
`02:51.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`what bastards`
`02:52.06`	`ckknight`	`I was planning on just buying it in the store after a week or two`
`02:52.20`	`malreth`	`my fiancee had to order her own copy... getting ripped on the shipping charges for two separate orders`
`02:53.46`	`McScott`	`Is there any difference between the European and U.S. versions of the game?`
`02:54.20`	`malreth`	`do you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in the European version of the game?`
`02:54.59`	`malreth`	`they don't know what the fuck a quarter pound is...`
`02:55.14`	`ckknight`	`Royale with Cheese.`
`02:55.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`the diff is that UE sucks...errr...i mean they have no tech support`
`02:55.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/UE/EU/`
`02:55.40`	`malreth`	`and they put mayonnaise on their fries`
`02:55.44`	`McScott`	`All I know is that the 10-day trial email I got says (Plays on European servers only), but I used the key in the email to sign up through the American site. Then I used the download link from the European email to get the trial client. Now I have no idea what the hell I am playing on because I can't find Maelstrom.`
`02:56.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`you can look at realmlist.wtf to see`
`02:56.32`	`McScott`	`I think I have the European client by accedent, but there seems to be no noticable differences.`
`02:56.53`	`McScott`	`*accident`
`02:56.58`	`malreth`	`everything will be in meters`
`02:57.11`	`malreth`	`everything`
`02:57.18`	`McScott`	`Well, I haven't gotten that far.`
`02:57.23`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`02:57.26`	`McScott`	`I'm still trying to get on the right realm.`
`02:57.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`whats the right reaml?`
`02:57.56`	`McScott`	`Maelstrom.`
`02:57.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/reaml/realm`
`02:58.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`stupid ?`
`02:58.17`	`Cairenn`	`if you downloaded the EU trial client, you'll be on the EU servers`
`02:58.19`	`McScott`	`There's one called "The Maelstrom," but I believe it's different.`
`02:58.29`	`McScott`	`Will my account still work though?`
`02:58.35`	`Cairenn`	`yes`
`02:58.37`	`malreth`	`it'll work in meters`
`02:58.39`	`Cairenn`	`on the EU servers`
`02:58.41`	`McScott`	`I made the account on worldofwarcraft.com.`
`02:58.52`	`McScott`	`So is it an EU account or a US account?`
`02:59.11`	`Cairenn`	`who here is EU that is awake atm?`
`02:59.36`	`malreth`	`i miss cogwheel...`
`02:59.38`	`Cairenn`	`McScott: do you see a server called "IceCrown"?`
`02:59.45`	`McScott`	`Lemme check.`
`02:59.57`	`Cairenn`	`anyone know if EU has an IceCrown server?`
`03:00.18`	`Cairenn`	`Industrial: ping?`
`03:01.03`	`McScott`	`No I don't/`
`03:01.29`	`Cairenn`	`may not be capitalized that way`
`03:01.34`	`Cairenn`	`you can sort the list by server name`
`03:02.11`	`McScott`	`Yeah, there's nothing that even starts with an 'I.'`
`03:02.19`	`Industrial`	`Cairenn: pong`
`03:02.26`	`Industrial`	`sec`
`03:02.32`	`Cairenn`	`Industrial: EU have an "Icecrown" server?`
`03:02.34`	`malreth`	`go to bed, Industrial!`
`03:03.22`	`Industrial`	`malreth: ust woke up5am`
`03:03.39`	`malreth`	`no excuses! sleep in!`
`03:03.41`	`Industrial`	`Cairenn: not in my list atm but it seems maintenance is busy atm?`
`03:04.02`	`Cairenn`	`according to the forum listing by realm, no there isn't, so question answered`
`03:04.06`	`Cairenn`	`McScott: you're on EU servers`
`03:04.22`	`McScott`	`I am huh?`
`03:04.26`	`Cairenn`	`yup`
`03:04.31`	`malreth`	`say the letters out loud...`
`03:04.31`	`McScott`	`Well, let me ask you something...`
`03:04.38`	`malreth`	`eeeeeeeee-yuuuuuuuu!`
`03:05.15`	`McScott`	`If I created my account on worldofwarcraft.com with a European trial key, can I still use that account with the U.S. client once I obtain it?`
`03:05.33`	`Cairenn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:05.38`	`malreth`	`i am going to assume not`
`03:05.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`mal, did you have to much sugar....or to much sucking?`
`03:05.46`	`Cairenn`	`why didn't you just download US to begin with?`
`03:05.59`	`Industrial`	`you cant create an account on US with an EU trial key :S i think :S`
`03:06.01`	`McScott`	`I didn't notice that the trial was European.`
`03:06.04`	`Cairenn`	`mind you, EU key, doubt you could use it on US account anyway`
`03:06.12`	`malreth`	`Thunder_Child: i'm on some sort of herbal supplement that charges you up`
`03:06.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah`
`03:06.19`	`McScott`	`Can anyone link me to a U.S. trial?`
`03:06.20`	`malreth`	`i'm supposed to drink it 3 times a day`
`03:06.21`	`ckknight`	`McScott, aren't you European?`
`03:06.25`	`McScott`	`No.`
`03:06.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`and use it while on IRC?`
`03:06.39`	`Xuerian`	`McScott: Best plan is to get a US beta key and use it ;)`
`03:06.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`seems kinda iffy`
`03:06.45`	`Cairenn`	`McScott: so out of curiosity, how did you end up with EU key to begin with?`
`03:06.52`	`Industrial`	`malreth is on speed :P`
`03:06.56`	`malreth`	`IRC just seems natural when hopped up on herbs`
`03:07.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol`
`03:07.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`like in game i was stoned, faded, and paranoid`
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`03:08.05`	`McScott`	`I searched "World of Warcraft 10 day trial" on Google, and failed to notice that the webpage was European.`
`03:08.16`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`03:08.20`	`McScott`	`I think that maybe the U.S. trial has been discontinued.`
`03:08.23`	`Cairenn`	`https://login.blizzard.fileplanet.com/login.aspx?o=login&d=fileplanet&r=http://www.fileplanet.com/blizzard_promotion/wow_raf.htm`
`03:08.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`hasnt`
`03:08.35`	`Cairenn`	`that's from the link on the US site`
`03:09.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`but they droped it down to 10 days`
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`03:09.30`	`McScott`	`Here's the one I signed up through: http://teaser.wow-europe.com/`
`03:09.38`	`McScott`	`Pretty obvious now.`
`03:09.39`	`malreth`	`i might be wrong...`
`03:09.47`	`malreth`	`but that... is from europe`
`03:09.48`	`Cairenn`	`notice the fact it says "europe" right in the title?`
`03:09.49`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`03:09.50`	`McScott`	`But I wasn't really paying attention to the url when I clicked the link.`
`03:09.58`	`Xuerian`	`haha.`
`03:10.01`	`McScott`	`It didn't say "europe" in the link.`
`03:10.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`gj McScott`
`03:10.03`	`Xuerian`	`Go follow Cairenn's link. :P`
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`03:10.36`	`Cairenn`	`McScott: have another question for you`
`03:10.37`	`McScott`	`Also, it doesn't help that wow-europe.com and worldofwarcraft.com look exactly the same.`
`03:10.47`	`Shadowed`	`no they don't :p`
`03:10.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`except for the URL of cource`
`03:10.51`	`Cairenn`	`McScott: how did you end up in this channel?`
`03:11.00`	`malreth`	`i brought him here`
`03:11.06`	`malreth`	`and that's the truth`
`03:11.11`	`malreth`	`~malreth`
`03:11.12`	`purl`	`never take malreth seriously`
`03:11.15`	`McScott`	`No it's not.`
`03:11.22`	`McScott`	`I found it online.`
`03:11.24`	`malreth`	`MUTHA!`
`03:11.34`	`McScott`	`Looks for irc channels about WoW.`
`03:11.45`	`McScott`	`I wanted to ask people if I should play it.`
`03:11.49`	`malreth`	`it was destiny then`
`03:11.57`	`malreth`	`for us to meet`
`03:11.57`	`McScott`	`They all told me yesterday that I should.`
`03:11.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`umm...`
`03:11.59`	`Cairenn`	`not complaining, was just curious`
`03:12.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`dont you think ppl on wow irc channels would be a bit biased?`
`03:12.18`	`Cairenn`	`you aren't in a "typical" wow irc channel by any means`
`03:12.50`	`malreth`	`no... definitely not typical. fun yes, but not typical.`
`03:12.59`	`McScott`	`What's your point?`
`03:13.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope, not with admins like Cairenn`
`03:13.09`	`Cairenn`	`probably one of the more sane ones out there, actually`
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`03:13.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`sane.....?`
`03:13.23`	`Cairenn`	`should I tell him, guys?`
`03:13.33`	`malreth`	`no... not that!`
`03:14.09`	`Xuerian`	`Nuuu! Our SECRETS`
`03:14.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`joey, i think she means it`
`03:14.28`	`Xuerian`	`Wait, what were we talking about?`
`03:14.41`	`malreth`	`Xuerian: the vowel is a bit more neutral... in the middle...`
`03:14.44`	`Cairenn`	`This is a rather specialized channel. It's full of UI authors, typically discussing code`
`03:14.44`	`malreth`	`noooooo.`
`03:14.47`	`malreth`	`try it`
`03:14.54`	`McScott`	`I know it is.`
`03:14.57`	`malreth`	`except me... I never discuss code`
`03:14.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`or codeing our discusions`
`03:15.01`	`McScott`	`I talked with some people last night.`
`03:15.10`	`McScott`	`Er... afternoon.`
`03:15.12`	`Xuerian`	`lies.`
`03:15.13`	`malreth`	`i only sow discord and dissent`
`03:15.13`	`Xuerian`	`all lies.`
`03:15.16`	`Xuerian`	`filthy, dirty lies`
`03:15.26`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`03:15.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lie malreth`
`03:15.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lier malreth`
`03:15.47`	`malreth`	`~emulate malreth`
`03:15.48`	`purl`	`your hate makes you strong, malreth`
`03:15.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`purl is sleeping i thnk`
`03:15.58`	`malreth`	`it does...`
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`03:16.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`you can so tell mal is horde`
`03:16.35`	`malreth`	`i'm alliance, actually`
`03:16.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`Quote "LIES ALL LIES`
`03:16.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`"`
`03:16.58`	`malreth`	`Malreth is Night Elf... but my main is something else`
`03:17.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`~quote Xuerian`
`03:17.48`	`Xuerian`	`o_o`
`03:17.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`uhhh..`
`03:17.54`	`Xuerian`	`Lies, all LIES`
`03:17.59`	`malreth`	`they can only go up!`
`03:18.08`	`malreth`	`~quote APPL`
`03:18.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`you are shares Xuerian`
`03:18.18`	`malreth`	`hmm...`
`03:18.25`	`malreth`	`~quote MSFT`
`03:18.26`	`McScott`	`When it says "click here to download client," I get a message saying the servers are busy.`
`03:18.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`~quote cheescake`
`03:18.52`	`malreth`	`amazing that it actually tries`
`03:18.53`	`Xuerian`	`>.>`
`03:18.57`	`Industrial`	`McScott: that means the servers are busy`
`03:19.05`	`malreth`	`~emulate Xuerian`
`03:19.16`	`Industrial`	`~emulate Industrial`
`03:19.17`	`purl`	`It doesnt matter if you win or lose, until you lose.`
`03:19.22`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`03:19.35`	`malreth`	`~emulate malreth`
`03:19.36`	`purl`	`as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine`
`03:19.43`	`Xuerian`	`Amen.`
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`03:20.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol`
`03:20.44`	`malreth`	`i say all sorts of amazing things`
`03:21.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`amazing is one word for them...`
`03:21.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`~emulate Cairenn`
`03:21.53`	`purl`	`ACTION purrs`
`03:21.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`so true`
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`03:22.53`	`malreth`	`boy... when it says "low battery" it really means it`
`03:23.27`	`malreth`	`INSUFFERABLE!`
`03:24.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmmm..and i thought dildos didt have a battery read out`
`03:25.12`	`malreth`	`i can't have a dildo... i live in texas`
`03:25.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'm missing that one`
`03:26.07`	`malreth`	`http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/11/obscenity.trial.reut/`
`03:26.37`	`malreth`	`texas has some stupid laws`
`03:26.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`so i see`
`03:27.14`	`malreth`	`okay... enough talk about batteries and sex toys... i'm going to bed`
`03:27.19`	`malreth`	`good night!`
`03:27.29`	`Cairenn`	`night malreth`
`03:27.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`the talk may stop, but the use....`
`03:28.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`you know i think i may be a negitive influence on here...`
`03:30.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`mmm....meant fuzzy...`
`03:31.00`	`Cairenn`	`this is a better link concerning the absurdity that is Texas laws: http://feministing.com/archives/005806.html`
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`03:34.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol, 6 is to distribute and 5 is a "hobbyist"`
`03:48.51`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`night guys`
`03:53.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`night Cairenn\|sleep`
`03:53.19`	`Xuerian`	`Sweet dreams :P`
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`03:59.35`	`norgs`	`The thing i just don't get is why people don't just say "screw this, i'm leaving. cya texas`
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`04:02.21`	`norgs`	`i mean i get why it doesn't happen straight away, but one would think that after several decades of more people leaving than arriving, the country would wake up to themselves.`
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`04:02.31`	KaoS`	`anyone want to buy me a new computer?`
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`04:06.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`sure, i saw a little plasitc model one at the local toy store`
`04:08.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol mouth to anus with chickens is outlawed in texas`
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`04:40.20`	`tyroney`	`Anyone here to remind me where I find the archive of this channel?`
`04:40.28`	`Xuerian`	`~logs`
`04:40.30`	`purl`	`apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian \| lines that start with a space are not shown \| some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"`
`04:40.58`	`tyroney`	`Thank you.l`
`04:45.16`	`Industrial`	`from when to when are the EU mainterance times?`
`04:45.47`	`Industrial`	`bah purl logs? lame :(`
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`05:46.45`	`Corrodias`	`morphvox sucks, and av voice changer sucks even more, because despite having lots of cool options including noise cancellation, it can't actually make your voice sound anything but "incredibly fake"`
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`06:17.46`	`krka`	`hm, anyone know of a way to get "Warrior Trainer" or similar from a target?`
`06:18.00`	`krka`	`need the tooltip?`
`06:28.52`	`krka`	`probably not worth it`
`06:29.08`	`krka`	`except for city guards, maybe`
`06:29.17`	`krka`	`all significant npcs have unique names`
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`06:55.37`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`does any1 know that X code that is anabled on the ui.worldofwar.net`
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`07:26.45`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
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`07:41.30`	`Laricwork`	`Has there been any word on if there will be a PTR for the Wow 2.0 without the TBC added content?`
`07:41.42`	`Laricwork`	`And if so.. how far off it is?`
`07:42.22`	`norgs`	`not as far as i'm aware`
`07:43.31`	`Laricwork`	`would be great for those of us who didnt get invitations to make our addons ready for 2.0 release day`
`07:46.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`there is, a month or so`
`07:46.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`+ or - a week`
`07:47.02`	`norgs`	`actually, just looking through some logs i have:`
`07:47.06`	`norgs`	`[12/10/06 12:51] <slouken> Bela, no, PTR will be after beta or late in the beta cycle.`
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`09:01.35`	`ckknight`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZNXn6QU7rc <-- The Parlor, you have to see it if you haven't already`
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`10:08.46`	`Elessdy`	`do any of you in the beta have experience that proves whether or not an addon can change your action bar's current "page" during combat?`
`10:10.14`	`krka`	`you can not`
`10:10.36`	`Corrodias`	`argh... thanks`
`10:23.06`	`Corrodias`	`i don't suppose druids get an automatic page switch when they prowl?`
`10:24.08`	`Elkano`	`until now it doesn't seem so`
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`10:59.17`	`wereHamster`	`what's prowl?`
`11:00.53`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`it's like stealth`
`11:02.25`	`wereHamster`	`Why do druids need stealth.. can they heal while in stealth? because otherwise it would be useless - druids are healers, right?`
`11:04.08`	`Hatsuki`	`similarly, why do rogues need stealth - they're lockbox openers, right?`
`11:06.07`	`wereHamster`	`yeah.. totally correct`
`11:08.36`	`krka`	`whoa, druids can be in non-heal-form?`
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`11:09.32`	`Kaso`	`36 hours of maintainace :<`
`11:09.38`	`Hatsuki`	`yep`
`11:10.08`	`wereHamster`	`europe or US?`
`11:10.13`	`Hatsuki`	`europe`
`11:10.13`	`Kaso`	`eu`
`11:10.28`	`wereHamster`	`all servers?`
`11:10.33`	`Hatsuki`	`nope`
`11:10.37`	`Hatsuki`	`but a lot`
`11:10.47`	`wereHamster`	`Arthas, too?`
`11:10.49`	`Hatsuki`	`around 40 servers or so`
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`11:19.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-druid/talents.html?014000000000000000000503202132322212500135105500001000000000000`
`11:20.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`will rock all of you`
`11:20.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`kthx`
`11:21.14`	`zenzelezz`	`looks like Patchwerk is the next boss my guild will be working on in Naxx... which is nice, except that I'd need a Flask if I ever were to offtank him with my current gear :-\|`
`11:24.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`eh`
`11:24.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm not worried about any of that stuff`
`11:24.25`	`JoshBorke`	`just refuse to off-tank :-D`
`11:25.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what class are you? if you're a war i'm sure you could get someone to buy you a flash`
`11:25.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`flask*`
`11:25.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`people do crazy things for warrior tanks`
`11:25.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`like actually heal them ;/`
`11:25.21`	`zenzelezz`	`if it comes to that, the guild will provide them, I'm sure =) I know they do on Twins`
`11:26.06`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm usually MT4-6, but I'm pretty sure we'll be using the better geared ones for Patchwerk attempts ;)`
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`12:27.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`morning`
`12:27.28`	`zenzelezz`	`heya`
`12:29.14`	`Mery`	`morning`
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`12:49.30`	`rackam`	`Hi`
`12:49.47`	`zenzelezz`	`heya`
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`12:50.22`	`rackam`	`how to get the postion of the UI Cursor plz ?`
`12:50.45`	`[Ammo]`	`GetCursurPosition()`
`12:50.46`	`rackam`	`i know the getPostionCursor() function but`
`12:51.11`	`rackam`	`not in a Frame section`
`12:51.21`	`rackam`	`more the general UI`
`12:51.30`	`rackam`	`(sorry my englis i m french)`
`12:51.38`	`rackam`	`(english)`
`12:51.51`	`[Ammo]`	`still the same but you might have to calculate the offsets towards UIParent`
`12:52.00`	`[Ammo]`	`not entirely sure how it works`
`12:52.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCursorPosition`
`12:52.18`	`rackam`	`ok thx :)`
`12:52.34`	`Josh_Borke`	`returns scale independent coordinates`
`12:53.08`	`Beladona`	`you would need to get cursor position, and compare it to frame position. Math would tell you where the cursor is on the frame`
`12:53.30`	`[Ammo]`	`that's what I meant with calculating offsets towards UIparent`
`12:53.31`	`rackam`	`ok but i want to popup a frame WHEN i click in UI`
`12:53.45`	`Beladona`	`click in ui?`
`12:53.49`	`[Ammo]`	`worldframe onmousedown`
`12:53.50`	`Beladona`	`like on a button?`
`12:53.58`	`rackam`	`no`
`12:54.21`	`[Ammo]`	`clicking will have to be on some kind of frame`
`12:54.24`	`rackam`	`in fact i want to popmenu when i select a target with mouse`
`12:54.36`	`Beladona`	`oh thats easy`
`12:54.52`	`Beladona`	`you are making it too complicated lol`
`12:55.20`	`Beladona`	`one sec while I look something up on wowwiki, and some reference code`
`12:55.40`	`Beladona`	`this is for live right? not beta?`
`12:55.45`	`rackam`	`yep`
`12:56.13`	`rackam`	`i want to know too to make a frame like chatframe`
`12:56.17`	`rackam`	`:`
`12:56.52`	`rackam`	`selected a target trough a frame`
`12:56.58`	`Beladona`	`you want to register for PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED`
`12:57.02`	`Beladona`	`first of all`
`12:57.43`	`rackam`	`oh i want to know all about wow ui lol`
`12:57.50`	`rackam`	`:P`
`12:57.57`	`rackam`	`but step after step`
`12:59.27`	`Beladona`	`take a look at this`
`12:59.29`	`Beladona`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2005991/FrameXML/TargetFrame.lua`
`12:59.36`	`Beladona`	`actually scratch that`
`12:59.39`	`Beladona`	`that is from beta`
`12:59.57`	`Beladona`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2005991/FrameXML/TargetFrame.lua`
`13:00.04`	`Beladona`	`that is the target frame from the game`
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`13:00.11`	`Beladona`	`it shows when you select a target`
`13:00.17`	`Beladona`	`that should get you started`
`13:00.46`	`rackam`	`ok thx`
`13:03.16`	`rackam`	`what is exactly a virtual Frame ?`
`13:04.27`	`Beladona`	`it is a frame that isn't substantiated in-game, but can be used as a template to be inherited`
`13:04.32`	`Josh_Borke`	`a virtual frame is one that can be inherited but not instantiated.`
`13:05.28`	`rackam`	`ok like in Java ... ?`
`13:05.58`	`Beladona`	`not exactly`
`13:07.24`	`Beladona`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface`
`13:07.34`	`Beladona`	`scroll down to "Using Templates"`
`13:08.19`	`krka`	`yeah, basically an abstract class in java :P`
`13:08.20`	`rackam`	`ah ok ^^`
`13:09.44`	`Beladona`	`I guess I am going to have to update that template section with the new Beta stuff about inheriting multiple templates`
`13:14.19`	`rackam`	`thx that right`
`13:16.13`	`rackam`	`but now : if i want the position cursor even i don t select but just click on the world ?`
`13:16.55`	`rackam`	`i d like to get the position just on clik on the world`
`13:18.46`	`rackam`	`is ti possible ?`
`13:18.49`	`rackam`	`it*`
`13:19.59`	`Josh_Borke`	`local f = WorldFrame:GetScript('OnMouseDown') WorldFrame:SetScript('OnMouseDown',function() f; DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(GetCursorPosition())) end)`
`13:20.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`might work`
`13:21.18`	`Beladona`	`WorldFrame:SetScript('OnMouseDown',function() f(); DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(GetCursorPosition())) end)`
`13:21.32`	`Beladona`	`f alone doesn't execute the script you got from the previous line`
`13:21.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`oops, yea`
`13:22.39`	`rackam`	`where to get info about World Frame plz ?`
`13:22.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Beladona, did you notice you linked the same TargetFrame twice earlier?`
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`13:30.56`	`malreth`	`Goooooooooooood Morning!`
`13:33.40`	`rackam`	`arf lol`
`13:34.09`	`cogwheel`	`~ugt`
`13:34.18`	`purl`	`from memory, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
`13:34.43`	`malreth`	`it's getting late. gotta go. bye!`
`13:34.45`	`rackam`	`i have wrote : this:Hide() so my WorldFrame is black now ^^`
`13:34.57`	`cogwheel`	`Ahhh.... I LOVE the sound of huge trucks with squeaky air brakes slowly traversing the driveway by our house at 6:00 in the morning....`
`13:34.59`	`cogwheel`	`:S`
`13:35.12`	`rackam`	`^^`
`13:35.18`	`rackam`	`very nice`
`13:35.24`	`rackam`	`just the worldframe`
`13:35.29`	`rackam`	`deco reco`
`13:43.33`	`Beladona`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/latest now shows latest beta server files as well`
`13:43.37`	`Beladona`	`=)`
`13:44.34`	`rackam`	`^^`
`13:44.37`	`cogwheel`	`neat :)`
`13:44.43`	`rackam`	`where i place this :`
`13:44.43`	`rackam`	`x,y=GetCursorPosition();`
`13:44.43`	`rackam`	`local f = WorldFrame:GetScript('OnMouseDown');`
`13:44.43`	`rackam`	`WorldFrame:SetScript("OnMouseDown" , function() f ; DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(x .. "," .. y ) end);`
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`13:45.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`rackam: WorldFrame:SetScript("OnMouseDown" , function() f() ; DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(x .. "," .. y ) end);`
`13:45.19`	`rackam`	`which function : not the OnLoad because that will happen only once`
`13:45.27`	`Josh_Borke`	`it only needs to happen once`
`13:45.28`	`malreth`	`Goood morning!`
`13:45.40`	`Josh_Borke`	`Mikk: morning`
`13:45.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`malreth: morning!`
`13:45.54`	`Mikk`	`moanin'`
`13:46.02`	`TS\|Skrom`	`it's not morning`
`13:46.07`	`Mikk`	`~ugt`
`13:46.10`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
`13:46.22`	`TS\|Skrom`	`pssst cogwheel your turn`
`13:46.41`	`cogwheel`	`stand by...`
`13:47.15`	`cogwheel`	`It's like a ritual, isn't it. Someone says Good Morning. Someone else says "What, it's not morning!". And then we have our third man ugt-ing :) Every day ... and I love it!`
`13:47.28`	`cogwheel`	`XD`
`13:47.31`	`malreth`	`ok... it's getting late. Time to go. Bye!`
`13:47.35`	`cogwheel`	`ibot.rikers.org 4tw!`
`13:47.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`we should just make three ~ commands for that`
`13:47.45`	`rackam`	`when i place it in OnLoad, i get the msg : attempt to call a nil value`
`13:48.06`	`cogwheel`	`purl, notmorning is <reply>But zomg it's not teh morningz00rz!!`
`13:48.07`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
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`13:48.36`	`cogwheel`	`purl, ugtritual is <reply>It's like a ritual, isn't it. Someone says Good Morning. Someone else says "What, it's not morning!". And then we have our third man ugt-ing :) Every day ... and I love it!`
`13:48.37`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`13:48.37`	`rackam`	`like if the function f() was unreferenced`
`13:48.45`	`malreth`	`Gooooood....`
`13:48.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hahaha awesome`
`13:48.53`	`cogwheel`	`So now...`
`13:48.57`	`cogwheel`	`Morning everyone!`
`13:49.01`	`cogwheel`	`~notmorning`
`13:49.02`	`purl`	`But zomg it's not teh morningz00rz!!`
`13:49.10`	`TS\|Skrom`	`~ugtritual`
`13:49.11`	`purl`	`It's like a ritual, isn't it. Someone says Good Morning. Someone else says "What, it's not morning!". And then we have our third man ugt-ing :) Every day ... and I love it!`
`13:49.12`	`cogwheel`	`~ugt`
`13:49.13`	`purl`	`it has been said that ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
`13:49.16`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oops`
`13:49.18`	`TS\|Skrom`	`out of order`
`13:49.38`	`TS\|Skrom`	`nicely done gnome`
`13:49.46`	`rackam`	`somebody could help me in private room ?`
`13:49.59`	`TS\|Skrom`	`O.o`
`13:50.08`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I may be green skinned with a massive underbite, but I'm no barbarian`
`13:50.13`	`malreth`	`eating them will make you smarter`
`13:50.30`	`TS\|Skrom`	`besides there`
`13:50.37`	`TS\|Skrom`	`there's no barbarian class in WoW`
`13:50.45`	`cogwheel`	`gdrcequat ntow iy thnawve toa ty5p.e wvmitnh blodtdhy stnhubmtsn`
`13:51.31`	`cogwheel`	`I'll give you guys 1 minute to decypher that then i'll tell you :P`
`13:51.42`	`TS\|Skrom`	`wouldn't that be cool though? innate run speed enchants, you wouldn't have to listen to them in chat (illiterate)`
`13:51.47`	`malreth`	`great, now i have to type with bloody stuumps`
`13:51.54`	`TS\|Skrom`	`they could use a d12 weapon`
`13:51.57`	`malreth`	`s/stuu/stu/`
`13:52.21`	`cogwheel`	`mmmmmmmmm cookie flavored waffle`
`13:52.30`	`cogwheel`	`(or flavoured, if Kirkburn's around)`
`13:53.21`	`malreth`	`hmm...`
`13:53.26`	`Kirkburn`	`(Colour me grey! I'm not ;)`
`13:54.40`	`rackam`	`Hmm the f() function doesnt seem to work ...`
`13:54.41`	`TS\|Skrom`	`mmmmm danika patrick on the front page of godadd.com in a tight white t-shirt`
`13:54.52`	`TS\|Skrom`	`if you ignore the face... rawr`
`13:57.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`maybe`
`13:57.54`	`TS\|Skrom`	`she's got a man face though`
`13:58.35`	`Mikk`	`hrms... it seems i got a different ad than you`
`13:58.54`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hehe`
`13:58.54`	`TS\|Skrom`	`could be lol`
`13:59.08`	`Mikk`	`i got http://imagesak.godaddy.com/aaa/home/promo/img_1016_promo1.jpg`
`13:59.29`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that's the one`
`13:59.38`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I don't know... her face just isn't that pretty to me`
`13:59.50`	`Mikk`	`doesn't look like the danika patrick i'm getting google hits on`
`13:59.53`	`TS\|Skrom`	`not saying I would roll over and give that a smooch every morning given the opportunity lol`
`13:59.59`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oooooo`
`14:00.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`maybe it's not`
`14:00.13`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I just figured it was since she's like their new spokesperson`
`14:01.15`	`Mikk`	`because the danika patrick i'm getting google hits on wouldn't have me rawring over her in a wet t-shirt. she has the body of a boy :-P`
`14:01.27`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hahahaha`
`14:01.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yeah my mistake then lol`
`14:03.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`wow you are right, the face is the part to NOT ignore`
`14:04.57`	`malreth`	`HELLO!`
`14:05.00`	`TS\|Skrom`	`some pics are better then others but yea I retract the manface statement lol`
`14:05.04`	`Mikk`	`hehe`
`14:05.09`	`Mikk`	`malreth: hullo =)`
`14:05.18`	`Mikk`	`this channel is now about chicks if you hadn't noticed =)`
`14:05.28`	`malreth`	`i was talking to the pictures of the hot chixx0r`
`14:05.49`	`Mikk`	`ah`
`14:06.42`	`TS\|Skrom`	`you wanna see a picture of a REALLY hot chick?`
`14:06.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`possible NSFW http://www.perfectphoto.ca/Gallery/NS01Val/images/10RVN_19048.jpg`
`14:07.16`	`Mikk`	`duh =P`
`14:07.38`	`TS\|Skrom`	`experts agree, if you didn't see that coming, you might be blind`
`14:08.21`	`malreth`	`this one's even hotter`
`14:08.21`	`malreth`	`http://static.deliaonline.com/images/originals/h2102-fast-chicken-lemon-ta-18850.jpg`
`14:08.57`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hahaha`
`14:09.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`omg wrap that up I'm taking it home`
`14:09.23`	`TS\|Skrom`	`ssssssmkokin'`
`14:09.25`	`Hexarobi`	`http://www.doheth.co.uk/funny/misc/Burnt_Chicken.jpg`
`14:09.27`	`TS\|Skrom`	`other cliche`
`14:09.54`	`Hexarobi`	`yer cliche =P`
`14:09.58`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yer mom's cliche :P`
`14:10.02`	`Hexarobi`	`yer mom'`
`14:10.05`	`Hexarobi`	`mom's a towel!`
`14:10.18`	`TS\|Skrom`	`at least I have my towel`
`14:10.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'm a hippy frood who knows where his towel is`
`14:10.43`	`TS\|Skrom`	`er wait.. hippy?`
`14:10.47`	`Hexarobi`	`ya thats wrong`
`14:10.48`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I think I messed up that reference`
`14:10.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`it's been a while ><`
`14:11.05`	`Hexarobi`	`frood is good enough`
`14:11.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hoopy frood`
`14:11.17`	`TS\|Skrom`	`not hippy`
`14:11.22`	`Hexarobi`	`ya thats better`
`14:11.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`"Hence a phrase that has passed into hitchhiking slang, as in 'Hey, you sass that hoopy Ford Prefect? There's a frood who really knows where his towel is.'"`
`14:13.02`	`Hexarobi`	`didnt yer mom pass into hitchhiking slang too?`
`14:13.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oh snap`
`14:13.22`	`Hexarobi`	`she deserves it`
`14:16.38`	`malreth`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/10/18`
`14:23.17`	`rackam`	`oxman ?`
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`14:52.53`	`Kirkburn`	`I remember http://www.doheth.co.uk/funny/misc/Burnt_Chicken.jpg ... it came with a virus, did it not?`
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`15:07.49`	`cogwheel`	`Lol... "They have a murloc chieftain that calls itself Mmmrrrggglll"`
`15:07.57`	`cogwheel`	`(from quest text)`
`15:09.52`	`Kirkburn`	`It true`
`15:09.57`	`malreth`	`Murlle Werrlle?`
`15:10.05`	`Kirkburn`	`There's a murloc called Mrglmrglmrgl`
`15:10.30`	`malreth`	`Muterlee muugrgo'l wekerlle meeril im'chml weutmil urglmooglugl mutrrgil weutule Kermolee Mmeminl.`
`15:11.55`	`malreth`	`http://murloc.no-ip.org/`
`15:13.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Keriml, Gurroglinl`
`15:13.52`	`malreth`	`weutmol`
`15:14.06`	`Kirkburn`	`M'urginl`
`15:21.00`	`cogwheel`	`you know... the one bad thing about the beta having accelerated XP gain is that quests become obsolete too quickly :(`
`15:23.12`	`Cide`	`you know... the xp gain seems fine right now`
`15:23.30`	`cogwheel`	`i'm thinking more for the lowbie quests`
`15:23.34`	`Cide`	`ah`
`15:23.37`	`Cide`	`no idea about those`
`15:24.03`	`cogwheel`	`i'm level 8, have done nothing but quest kills, and still have a bunch of level 5ish stuff`
`15:24.13`	`cogwheel`	`Correction... make that 9 :)`
`15:24.53`	`cogwheel`	`haha`
`15:25.00`	`cogwheel`	`there's a blood elf here named Drizolas`
`15:25.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`cogwheel: i hate you :-(`
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`15:30.34`	`Mery`	`I honestly just submitted a bug about edward the temporary...`
`15:31.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oh noes.. Silvermoon is down !`
`15:33.23`	`cogwheel`	`Mery: XD`
`15:34.25`	`zenzelezz`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: you play on EU-Silvermoon?`
`15:36.11`	`Mikma`	`i have my tuaren there :P`
`15:36.23`	`Mikma`	`the most horrible non-pvp gankserver i have seen`
`15:36.55`	`zenzelezz`	`not sure how you mean, but I don't PvP, gank or otherwise`
`15:37.10`	`zenzelezz`	`I just chose it for the name o_O`
`15:37.20`	`Mikma`	`when i still played there, alliance were "running over orgrimmar"`
`15:37.36`	`Mikma`	`meaning they always raided it with killing everyone and running around freely`
`15:37.51`	`zenzelezz`	`hm... well, I still see some "LFM raid org", but don't think it's that bad now`
`15:38.27`	`zenzelezz`	`then again, I know there are plenty of asshats there, so could be =)`
`15:39.44`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm still wondering why they let people transfer to the server a while ago`
`15:41.47`	`Mery`	`raiding org = server crash back when we did it...`
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`15:42.33`	`madmac`	`Could anyone help me find a mod that keeps "track" of which channel i'm talking ? I redid my UI but i lost this function now`
`15:42.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`prat`
`15:43.07`	`cogwheel`	`you mean something that makes other channels behave like /say, /g, /p, /ra?`
`15:43.17`	`madmac`	`more like when i spoke in lets say channel /5`
`15:43.26`	`madmac`	`and i hit enter. rather then getting /gui i get /5 again`
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`15:43.36`	`zenzelezz`	`that's just what cogwheel said`
`15:43.55`	`madmac`	`uh yeah sorry. kinda a mod newbie here ;)`
`15:44.01`	`zenzelezz`	`:)`
`15:44.01`	`Xuerian`	`Sticky Channels`
`15:44.03`	`Xuerian`	`Is the term.`
`15:44.09`	`Xuerian`	`Prat has it.`
`15:44.11`	`madmac`	`ah cool thanx`
`15:44.16`	`madmac`	`any idea if there is an Ace mod for that?`
`15:44.35`	`madmac`	`awesome :)`
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`15:50.35`	`Mery`	`hmm does the purple instance portal mean "this instance has different difficulty levels" or did they just change it for more consistent look in outlands?`
`15:55.23`	`Cide`	`the former is correct`
`15:56.31`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oO purple instaces where ?`
`15:57.01`	`zenzelezz`	`"... for more consistent look in outlands?" -- I'd venture a guess it's the Outlands =D`
`15:57.32`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`then why dont i know it yet :P`
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`15:57.57`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`zenzelezz: i do play eu-silvermoon yes :P`
`15:58.21`	`Cide`	`I have no idea what you mean`
`15:58.58`	`Cide`	`the expansion (Burning Crusade) beta has purple instance portals to signal that the instance has several difficulty modes toggleable by the leader`
`15:59.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wow cool`
`16:00.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`is there a different color portal for the different difficultys?`
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`16:01.26`	`Cide`	`no`
`16:01.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`meh`
`16:01.34`	`Cide`	`if it's in "hard mode" there's a skull in the center of the portal`
`16:02.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`is there a list yet of which instances give what "extra" bonuses on hard mode?`
`16:03.26`	`Cide`	`all of the ones that have hard mode`
`16:03.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know, but i was given to understand that they were different bonuses`
`16:03.44`	`Cide`	`and I think all bc instances do.. not sure`
`16:03.44`	`zenzelezz`	`the difficulty choice is only for the new ones?`
`16:03.48`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lol sounds cool :P`
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`16:04.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`e.g. each instance on hard mode had a different bouns`
`16:04.25`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`thne my guild gona trian for months thne whne we are finely bored of it we can do the same dungion again only this time in hard mode :P`
`16:04.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`extra rep, etc.`
`16:07.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`sweet Joe Kucan is coming back as Kane`
`16:07.58`	`zenzelezz`	`Kane!`
`16:08.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`indeed`
`16:08.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`and quite a few more well know ppl`
`16:09.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/know/known/`
`16:11.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`interesting lineup of hot women...`
`16:11.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shauntay Hinton / former Miss USA`
`16:11.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Ivana Bozilovic / Wedding Crashers, Van Wilder`
`16:11.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Tricia Helfer / Battlestar Galactica, CSI`
`16:11.58`	`Mery`	`thanks cide (although your answer is way up because I was afk) :)`
`16:22.27`	`Kirkburn`	`:( Someone broke FriendsFu`
`16:22.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`:-(`
`16:22.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`fix it?`
`16:23.17`	`Kirkburn`	`I tried fixing it - it complains of a lack of libs - I added them, but it still complains`
`16:23.33`	`Elkano`	`the one who broke it was most likely myself`
`16:23.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`did you check to see where it was trying to pull the libs from?`
`16:23.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, I looked at it all, couldn't see the problem :/`
`16:24.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Tourist it complained about`
`16:24.19`	`Elkano`	`but the only change I made as adding AL-2.2 ahead of time so grap the version before this commit ^^`
`16:24.23`	`Kirkburn`	`(also Tablet, but that went away when I added Tablet into the foldeR)`
`16:25.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Well compounding that, I can't access previous versions as I can't get to svn/files :P`
`16:26.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`doesnt wowinterface have a list of old versions?`
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`16:26.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`blocked?`
`16:26.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5253`
`16:26.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`what revision do you w ant?`
`16:26.56`	`Kirkburn`	`I'll use the WoWI one for now :)`
`16:27.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`and it looks like your not the only one with the problem`
`16:27.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`look at the comments`
`16:27.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Strange ... I get a different error though - mine's about Tourist lib not existing`
`16:27.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`though that was a week ago or so`
`16:27.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`almoast 2`
`16:28.07`	`Elkano`	`Thunder_Child, the errors posted on wowi result of a missing AL-2.2`
`16:28.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, ok`
`16:28.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`gratz kirk, you have a new one`
`16:28.34`	`Elkano`	`Kirkburn's changes may result from changes to the libs since so claimed to have fixed the AL-2.2 path`
`16:30.15`	`Kirkburn`	`I should have written down the error :P Basically the main FriendsFu file complained of Tourist not existing on line 4 (where it's referenced). Even after adding Tourist in the lib folder, it says the same`
`16:30.37`	`Josh_Borke`	`Kirkburn: did you check the toc?`
`16:30.43`	`Kirkburn`	`It said the same for Tablet, but when I added that one, it went away`
`16:31.17`	`Kirkburn`	`What could be wrong with the toc? (I used the WinAceUpdater to update it btw, included 'externals')`
`16:31.51`	`Kirkburn`	`It did the whole 'clean install' thing, so it was missing Tourist and Tablet in the download itself`
`16:33.09`	`Elkano`	`maybe the zip is corrupted in some way`
`16:33.24`	`Elkano`	`I'm still waiting for ck to put AL-2.2 into trunk :/`
`16:33.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Just tried it on another machine - it doesn't include all the libs referenced in the toc`
`16:36.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Gonna try something, brb`
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`16:39.57`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`WTB [Addon that shows rep gains in chat frame]`
`16:39.57`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`:P`
`16:40.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Elkano, fixed it!`
`16:40.33`	`Kirkburn`	`It was missing some libs, so I downloaded the entire !!!Libraries package and stuck them in the FriendsFu/libs folder. Works now :P`
`16:41.13`	`zenzelezz`	`Qshadowp[NS]: isn't that possible through the regular chat windows? Fairly sure you can`
`16:41.13`	`Elkano`	`Oo`
`16:41.13`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`Oo`
`16:41.54`	`zenzelezz`	`I'd check, but my server is down. Pretty sure you'll find it in some submenu`
`16:42.05`	`Kirkburn`	`(I just spent about half an hour updating my housemate's UI setup, the Friends thing was the only sticking point =)`
`16:42.09`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`ok`
`16:42.13`	`Kirkburn`	`(WinAceUpdater is awesome!)`
`16:42.18`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`and another thing, is it possible that some of my addons can disconnect me?`
`16:42.30`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`i mean the fps is fine, but i just lag out like it was a internet lag :S`
`16:43.00`	`Mery`	`addons can disconnect you... but they usually shouldn't`
`16:43.22`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`yea i think it might be because i have alot of mage specific addons`
`16:43.25`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`and i just made a rogue :>`
`16:43.30`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`keep getting dc's on rogue but not mage`
`16:43.43`	`Qshadowp[NS]`	`so gonna wander through and disable a few mage spefic addons`
`16:43.54`	`Mery`	`you can disable addons per character in the addons screen`
`16:47.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`anyone know where the reagent seller is in darn?`
`16:47.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`nvm`
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`17:29.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Loads of BC info on the wiki now :)`
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`18:09.17`	`malreth`	`in my pursuit of conflict, i am now forced to logically argue against the UI changes that Blizzard is making`
`18:10.12`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`cool ill help u !`
`18:10.36`	`malreth`	`unfortunately... i've reached the point where logic no longer applies and we have to cross over into philosophy.`
`18:11.10`	`malreth`	`and it's at this point that i spontaneously turn into a duck`
`18:11.18`	`malreth`	`quack`
`18:11.52`	`Cairenn`	`malreth: you really need to cut back on those herbs`
`18:12.17`	`malreth`	`quack`
`18:12.27`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`18:13.37`	`malreth`	`i've come to the conclusion that logic cannot exist in a world with God`
`18:13.53`	`koomi`	`so either it's god or the world?`
`18:13.55`	`koomi`	`but not both?`
`18:13.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`makes you wonder if mal has slept in the last....72 hrs`
`18:14.02`	`koomi`	`we're in a thight spot then`
`18:14.04`	`malreth`	`and i'm talking like the old testament wrathful vengeful God`
`18:14.11`	`koomi`	`the cool one?`
`18:14.27`	`koomi`	`from like pages 50-250 in the bible?`
`18:14.32`	`malreth`	`yeah... the awesome world flooding, locusts spreading, language mixing God`
`18:14.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`BABEL!`
`18:14.46`	`malreth`	`bam your wife is now a pillar of salt`
`18:14.49`	`malreth`	`that one`
`18:14.56`	`koomi`	`the cool one.`
`18:15.17`	`malreth`	`because logic breaks down when you can make an appeal to authority... where there really IS an authority`
`18:16.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`umm..only when that authority can change logic`
`18:16.58`	`malreth`	`Alice: The Earth is at the center of the Universe.`
`18:17.07`	`malreth`	`Bob: Why?`
`18:17.14`	`malreth`	`Alice: Because God says so.`
`18:17.41`	`malreth`	`Bob: But you can clearly see based on the movement of celestial bodies that we cannot be the center-- ZAAAAAP`
`18:17.50`	`malreth`	`Alice: Told you so.`
`18:18.34`	`malreth`	`quack`
`18:18.56`	`zenzelezz`	`now you're sounding like someone in my guild`
`18:19.02`	`ckknight`	`AceLocale-2.0 and AceLocale-2.1 have been deprecated in favor of AceLocale-2.2`
`18:19.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`~ducktreat`
`18:20.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`hey Cairenn come take care of your duck`
`18:20.44`	`Cairenn`	`~sigh malreth`
`18:20.46`	`purl`	`ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "malreth!"`
`18:23.52`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`18:23.54`	`Cairenn`	`what a nut`
`18:24.06`	`zenzelezz`	`he is somewhat peculiar`
`18:24.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`and he says what he is taking is natural....`
`18:24.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`feels designer to me`
`18:24.53`	`zenzelezz`	`shrooms?`
`18:25.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`more like shrooms cut with lsd`
`18:27.10`	`MentalPower`	`shrooms are natural...`
`18:29.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`i think he was responding to my first comment`
`18:36.54`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`if i h@@k the addmessage fucn then do i got todo that for each of the 6 chat frames ?`
`18:37.29`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke thanks`
`18:37.35`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i jsut gto a better idea :P`
`18:37.47`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ill just partse the events instead :P`
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`19:00.24`	`tyroney\|work`	`Anyone else here enjoy playing Go?`
`19:00.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, but not online`
`19:01.23`	`tyroney\|work`	`I think I'm going to make a Go addon for fun.`
`19:01.46`	`MentalPower`	`go?`
`19:02.09`	`tyroney\|work`	`~wiki Go_(board_game)`
`19:02.46`	`tyroney\|work`	`Bah. Anyways.`
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`19:24.38`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`is there a simpel way to all new items to a table while keeping the table no longer thn say 30 atributes so remoe the old ones ?`
`19:27.00`	`Mery`	`keep a counter which to overwrite next?`
`19:27.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`neh to confusing`
`19:27.40`	`Mery`	`and do mod(counter, 30)+1 after each new item`
`19:27.48`	`tyroney\|work`	`table.insert(table,0) to put in the front, table.remove(table) to pull from end`
`19:28.00`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`irather do table.insert(lol,0,"Myahaha)`
`19:28.02`	`Mery`	`oh yeah or that... stupid me`
`19:28.16`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but thne i still need to remvoe any item after 30can i use table.setn for that ?`
`19:28.38`	`Mery`	`table.setn is removed in 5.1`
`19:28.47`	`Mery`	`no you gotta do table.remove`
`19:29.38`	`tyroney\|work`	`for i=30,table.maxn table.remove(table,i) end maybe?`
`19:30.09`	`tyroney\|work`	`maybe need an if table[i] then table.remove(table,i) dunno offhand`
`19:31.33`	`tyroney\|work`	`even better: on each insert:`
`19:31.35`	`tyroney\|work`	`if table.maxn(table)>30 then table.remove(table,31) end table.insert(table,1,newval)`
`19:32.15`	`tyroney\|work`	`At least if you aren't inserting all the time. If you are, then you might want to do that first thing every now and then instead of checking the size on each and every insert.`
`19:35.02`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`it mgiht beremvoe in 5.1 but we arent there yet :P`
`19:35.17`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i prefer to fix all my adds whit BC comes out`
`19:35.42`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well acutaly i dont but if code it in BC style it wont work in 5.wutever we have`
`19:36.00`	`Mery`	`beside you don't get the effect you want by just using setn as it doesn't clear out the actual entries, hence they won't be gc'ed`
`19:36.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`if table.getn(NickCompleterNickBuffer) > NickCompleterNickBuffer["MAXBUFFERS"] then`
`19:36.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`table.remove(NickCompleterNickBuffer)`
`19:36.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`end`
`19:36.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`all ill have todo is make table.getn to #table`
`19:36.57`	`Mery`	`right... I just pointed out not to use setn, and you didn't 8)`
`19:37.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh i readed the docs it doesnt apear to say it clears out the values os i used remvoe instead :P`
`19:37.27`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but thanks for the sepport anway`
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`19:46.19`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`where would i be whiut windos grep :P`
`19:48.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Ahoy hoy! Slouken just updated MovePad for BC`
`19:49.25`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oO got link ?`
`19:51.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`guys is it posable to use get/set scripts on "template" frames or do i get to set it in each grame that inherts it ?`
`19:51.08`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5476-MovePad.html`
`19:51.51`	`Mikma`	`ohl ol`
`19:52.00`	`Mikma`	`he made a 2.0.0 version :D`
`19:52.09`	`Corrodias`	`i think i just heard someone on a television ad say "arenchoo"`
`19:54.50`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`<EditBox name="ChatFrameEditBoxTemplate" <- if i set/get script on that thne will it have affect on any gframe that inherts it ?`
`19:56.09`	`Corrodias`	`how cute, our (my?) internet connection is shitty again. router or university? let's find out.`
`19:57.52`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`how the H.. movemnt functions are seposed tobe locked put for addons arent they ?`
`19:58.35`	`Corrodias`	`user-made ones, yes`
`19:58.47`	`krka`	`slouken kan sign his own addnos`
`19:58.50`	`krka`	`cheating`
`19:59.15`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wow :P`
`19:59.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`is that a mod for one armed ppl ore something?`
`19:59.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/ore/or`
`19:59.47`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lol yeh i dont see any use for it either :P`
`19:59.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`i hate the trailing /`
`19:59.56`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`even one handed cna use mismouse butt :P`
`19:59.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`~kill purl`
`19:59.59`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a ionized pseudomeson gun at purl`
`20:00.48`	`Corrodias`	`i have a pretty hard time understanding what \|FF\|Im2good4u is ever trying to say... which brings me to my question: what's a mismouse?`
`20:01.10`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`midmouse butt`
`20:01.13`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`button`
`20:01.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`o`
`20:02.12`	`Corrodias`	`i see. arr.`
`20:02.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`and what does that have to do with one armed ppl?`
`20:02.53`	`Corrodias`	`we're trying to figure out the purpose of an addon that lets you click buttons to move`
`20:03.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know, i started it, but he said something about.... \|FF\|Im2good4u: even one handed cna use mismouse butt :P and i am trying to see where that is any more spific than useing the whole mouse`
`20:04.43`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well if u hold down the mid mouse bottun u will move :P`
`20:04.55`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`just like when u use both left / right buttons`
`20:04.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`maybe on your setup`
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`20:05.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont think thats default`
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`20:05.16`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i think it is`
`20:05.38`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`since i never modified my key bindings anyway :P unless some addons did`
`20:05.43`	`Aryaha`	`Hey guys. =)`
`20:05.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`hi`
`20:05.50`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`hello`
`20:05.55`	`Gryphen`	`heya`
`20:06.20`	`Aryaha`	`Wow, I haven't use IRC for about 4 years.`
`20:06.30`	`Aryaha`	`I forget how to navigate, lol.`
`20:07.38`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i use it like every day :P`
`20:07.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`Beladona: will your "WDN Movable Minimap" work with square minimap?`
`20:07.57`	`Aryaha`	`I used to when I was 16 odd, i'm 22 now, lol.`
`20:08.31`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well im 21 now and i still use it and i still type as bad as i was 16 :P`
`20:08.39`	`Aryaha`	`Hehe.`
`20:09.00`	`Aryaha`	`Are there any onther good WoW channels or servers?`
`20:09.39`	`Beladona`	`ThunderChild: as long as the SquareMinimap uses the existing MinimapCluster then yes`
`20:09.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok`
`20:09.48`	`krka`	`well, there's #wowace on freenode too`
`20:09.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`ty`
`20:09.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Nothing compares to this channel ... uh, apart from the channels of anyone here :P`
`20:10.00`	`krka`	`that's the only other wow channel i know of`
`20:10.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`curse also has 2 channels`
`20:10.27`	`Kirkburn`	`There's the cosmos one too, of course. Obviously the Ace and Cosmos ones have specific areas :P`
`20:10.30`	`Aryaha`	`So this is the primary WoW IRC channel?`
`20:10.33`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119)`
`20:11.16`	`Kirkburn`	`The primary WoW UI IRC channel would probably be a better description`
`20:11.35`	`Kirkburn`	`But it all depends on what you're looking for, tbh :)`
`20:11.43`	`Aryaha`	`Lol, just some WoW chat. ^^`
`20:11.52`	`Kirkburn`	`We have that too =)`
`20:12.12`	`Aryaha`	`Hehe, good. =)`
`20:12.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`we have psychotic chat as well....speaking of whcih...where is mel`
`20:12.46`	`Aryaha`	`I recognise your name Thunder Child.`
`20:13.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`o?, from what?`
`20:13.09`	`Aryaha`	`Don't know. =/`
`20:13.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`might be counter strike`
`20:13.56`	`Aryaha`	`Hmmm, I don't play that. My bf does occasionally, maybe from that? :S`
`20:14.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`maybe, it's the only other place i really use it`
`20:14.18`	`krka`	`maybe it's because it's two generic words put together?`
`20:14.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`that ane one vent channel`
`20:14.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`and*`
`20:14.29`	`Aryaha`	`Probably, rofl.`
`20:14.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Thund and Erchild?`
`20:15.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3892/oprapd5.png`
`20:15.27`	`Kirkburn`	`... food for my guests.`
`20:16.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`krik you dont have guests, you have prisinors that just dont know it yet`
`20:17.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Are ... are you stalking me? How did you know?!`
`20:17.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Mr_Rabies2, does give mounts away for free?`
`20:17.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`you mom was bitching again`
`20:17.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`your*`
`20:17.57`	`Kirkburn`	`s/es/es she/`
`20:18.02`	`Kirkburn`	`sigh`
`20:18.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hahha`
`20:18.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`much better`
`20:18.38`	`Hatsuki`	`Is it yet known what is minimum level for master in professions?`
`20:18.40`	`Kirkburn`	`I knew attempting to shorten it would cause that :P`
`20:19.06`	`Kirkburn`	`To get Grand Master?`
`20:19.25`	`Hatsuki`	`master skill, upto 375skill`
`20:19.42`	`Kirkburn`	`I know :P`
`20:19.49`	`Mery`	`did anybody actually try his movepad addon?`
`20:19.51`	`Kirkburn`	`I'd heard it called Grand Master`
`20:20.09`	`Kirkburn`	`You mean at what level you can train it? No idea`
`20:20.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`is blizzard ever going to make mobs follow the same ruls we have to?`
`20:20.11`	`Hatsuki`	`Grand Master Tailor etc are those who teach you`
`20:20.12`	`Aryaha`	`W00t, worked. =D`
`20:20.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/ruls/rules/`
`20:20.41`	`MentalPower`	`Mery: yes, when it first came out`
`20:20.56`	`Xuerian`	`Thunder_Child: I'm assuming they will when we follow all the rules they say we have to`
`20:21.00`	`Mery`	`because right now the 2.0 version jump does not work`
`20:21.04`	`Mery`	`(at least for me)`
`20:21.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Thunder_Child, as weird as it sounds, making that happen could allow more exploiting`
`20:21.12`	`Mery`	`and well some hihglight issues`
`20:21.25`	`Mery`	`on certain movement combinations`
`20:21.31`	`Kirkburn`	`(i.e. find some hard to reach terrain, mobs unable to reach you = hunter heaven)`
`20:21.33`	`MentalPower`	`try downloading it again`
`20:21.47`	`MentalPower`	`(make sure you close the game before you update)`
`20:21.51`	`Corrodias`	`i had a town guard teleport across from a bridge to a rock in the water just to attack me`
`20:21.53`	`Xuerian`	`Kirkburn: That's how it should be, really`
`20:22.04`	`Xuerian`	`In my opinion, anyway :P`
`20:22.08`	`Corrodias`	`he ran back and forth for a moment on the bridge, then just stopped. 5 seconds later, he appeared next to me and killed me.`
`20:22.11`	`Kirkburn`	`You play a ranged class, don't you? ;)`
`20:22.15`	`Xuerian`	`Nope`
`20:22.18`	`Xuerian`	`Druid, feral :p`
`20:22.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Corrodias, lol`
`20:22.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`Xuerian: lol, that means never`
`20:22.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`Kirkburn: all i want is when i cast a spell and the mobs move out of los and my spell fizzles for the same damn thing to happen to them`
`20:22.56`	`Corrodias`	`i was quite annoyed`
`20:23.01`	`Xuerian`	`I say that because of things like Corrodias just said. If anything, make the mobs smarter, don't make them able to warp around`
`20:24.09`	`Xuerian`	`But if you've ever played guildwars, you've probably seen that it works to not jump them around. Sometimes mobs DO get stuck out of range, but that's just logical. How is a mob going to climb a 90 degree wall? :) How would I?`
`20:24.41`	`Xuerian`	`Sorry, argumentative mood :P`
`20:25.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`if they are out of range that either means they run into range or they get BOHICA's`
`20:25.27`	`Aryaha`	`Why do they let them run off sheer cliffs and run back up after they have lost interest in you?`
`20:25.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`'d*`
`20:25.49`	`Xuerian`	`Yep :p`
`20:26.32`	`Aryaha`	`Bit daft. You can't escape them.`
`20:26.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`mobs thought "I'm owned by blizzard so i have supoer powers..."`
`20:26.43`	`Corrodias`	`that's one thing that makes pvp interesting. humans are less likey to cheat by having their movement completely unrestricted by terrain.`
`20:26.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/supoer/super/`
`20:27.00`	`Corrodias`	`and line of sight casting required only by choice`
`20:27.46`	`Mery`	`ok well I take back the highlighting thing.. (because I was trying it in an inn I did not have enough room to properly see whats going on) but it still won't jump...`
`20:28.32`	`Corrodias`	`i'm going to have a nap now. [away]`
`20:33.59`	`Aryaha`	`Aryaha, is going to go to bed now too.`
`20:34.06`	`Aryaha`	`Nice to find this channel. =)`
`20:34.22`	`Aryaha`	`Good night guys.`
`20:34.26`	`Aryaha`	`XxxX`
`20:40.16`	`ckknight`	`alright, classtime`
`20:42.28`	`Tain`	`Now only have to wait a month between server transfers? Nifty.`
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`20:59.46`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm somewhat curious what the server means by "Success"`
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`21:22.01`	`Shadowed`	`rofl`
`21:22.04`	`Shadowed`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3283`
`21:22.08`	`Shadowed`	`poor Gello`
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`21:27.12`	`Cairenn`	`omfg`
`21:27.17`	`Cairenn`	`that's just sad`
`21:27.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you think anyone will write some kind of script or something to convert 1.12 addons over to 2.0?`
`21:28.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`because i use a LOT that aren't maintained anymore, and between the ones that i use that are screwed beyond use and my unmaintained ones, i'm not gonna have many addons left :/`
`21:28.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`Cairenn: lol, yea`
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`21:57.58`	`McScott`	`Hello?`
`21:58.30`	`ckknight`	`hello.`
`21:58.33`	`Mery`	`Hi`
`21:58.40`	`Gryphen`	`heya`
`21:59.39`	`Xuerian`	`~whaleslap McScott`
`21:59.41`	`purl`	`ACTION beats McScott upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
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`22:02.51`	`Kaso`	`ha ha, i know i shouldnt mock, but this thread is funny: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=64976522&sid=1`
`22:04.26`	`Iriel`	`Getting HTML wrong is a nice touch`
`22:05.04`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
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`22:09.31`	`McScott`	`Wow, that's mean.`
`22:09.35`	`McScott`	`Poor guy.`
`22:11.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`damn, it's on the UE forum so i cant comment :(`
`22:11.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`EU*`
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`22:15.24`	`Kirkburn`	`I feel I should mention - IE7 has been released - update! Secure your PCs! Go back to FF if you must! :P`
`22:16.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`uses linux...`
`22:17.36`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm not touching IE again until they pay me`
`22:17.47`	`Tuller`	`so what ck is saying is that he can't use the talent calculator :)`
`22:19.03`	`ckknight`	`I can't?`
`22:19.06`	`ckknight`	`I have before...`
`22:19.09`	`ckknight`	`did they change it?`
`22:20.44`	`Tuller`	`well by can't use i mean that its a bit of a pain to undo stuff`
`22:21.20`	`McScott`	`What's wrong with Firefox?`
`22:23.30`	`Beladona`	`Kirkburn - windows update = nothing on IE7`
`22:23.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`i heard it was supposed to come out yesterday...`
`22:23.55`	`Wobin`	`Translation: Without windows update, Kirkburn is nothing on IE7?`
`22:24.20`	`Josh_Borke`	`i think it's a horrible idea to put it out as a critical update and should be recommended for at least 2 months`
`22:24.26`	`Beladona`	`and the ie page is still listing RC1`
`22:24.34`	`Beladona`	`you sure about it being out?`
`22:25.42`	`Kirkburn`	`It won't be on Windows Update for a while`
`22:26.08`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.majorgeeks.com/Internet_Explorer_7_d4955.html`
`22:26.20`	`Kirkburn`	`(sorry, I should have linked that first =)`
`22:26.59`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm certain about ti being out, given that I installed it and all ;)`
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`22:29.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`ok bye all`
`22:29.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`laters`
`22:32.21`	`Beladona`	`I refuse to download something like that from another site, when MS itself hasn't even announced it yet`
`22:38.21`	`Xuerian`	`~comfort Beladona`
`22:38.22`	`purl`	`There, there, Beladona. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`22:39.16`	`Beladona`	`meh?`
`22:39.25`	`Beladona`	`sorry wasn't even paying attention lol`
`22:40.20`	`Xuerian`	`lol, about your IE7 statement :p`
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`22:44.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`no no, for people that arent paying attention you ~slap them, not comfort them....`
`22:45.09`	`Xuerian`	`:P`
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`22:57.37`	`JoshBorke`	`so, anyone want to help me work on a mod?`
`23:02.26`	`Xuerian`	`Which mod? :p`
`23:03.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Beladona, it's up for download officially from Yahoo`
`23:03.47`	`JoshBorke`	`GuildBook`
`23:04.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Problem with the Yahoo dl being it's already tweaked to be Yahoo-centric - the MajorGeeks version is minus those presets`
`23:05.11`	`Kirkburn`	`nvm, Bela - here's the official link - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=74211`
`23:07.16`	`zenzelezz`	`hrm, late-night grammar`
`23:07.46`	`Mikk`	`No, he's just a masochist`
`23:07.50`	`Mikk`	`Using IE6 for all these years`
`23:08.04`	`Kirkburn`	`I haven't used IE6 since the start of the year!`
`23:08.20`	`Mikk`	`So why the hell did you start then? Fall on your head? =)`
`23:08.28`	`zenzelezz`	`why did you switch to IE again?`
`23:08.31`	`Kirkburn`	`grmbl grmbl`
`23:08.36`	`Mikk`	`hhe`
`23:09.13`	`Kirkburn`	`I like IE7, tbh. Anyway, I'm mostly linking it here because some progs insist on using IE, so you might as well be secure :)`
`23:09.35`	`Beladona`	`I don't like IE7, but I support it's adoption if the alternative is IE6`
`23:10.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`unless it ends up being as bad/worse than 6`
`23:10.06`	`Beladona`	`it just makes my life easier when developing web pages`
`23:10.14`	`Beladona`	`why would it?`
`23:10.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`because its microsoft`
`23:10.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`remeber ME?`
`23:10.33`	`Kirkburn`	`My housemate still has IE6 as his main browser - it's excruciating going back to it. I need tabs!`
`23:10.48`	`JoshBorke`	`use firefox?`
`23:10.49`	`JoshBorke`	`o.O`
`23:10.50`	`Kirkburn`	`It's nothing like ME :)`
`23:10.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`the only O/S that got worse the more ram you put in....`
`23:10.53`	`Beladona`	`worse in terms of exploits? maybe`
`23:10.59`	`Beladona`	`but I don't care about that`
`23:11.02`	`Kirkburn`	`JoshBorke, don't ask me :/`
`23:11.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`good, can i hack you then bel`
`23:11.13`	`Beladona`	`I care about standards compliance`
`23:11.23`	`Kirkburn`	`It's much more secure than IE6 - much less is 'exposed'`
`23:11.24`	`Beladona`	`I don't use IE`
`23:11.29`	`Beladona`	`I am talking about everyone else that does`
`23:11.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, but i have your permission for everyone else then`
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`23:11.47`	`Kirkburn`	`Esp. in Vista. Anyways, it's been through loads of betas, lots of testing :)`
`23:11.55`	`Beladona`	`you need my permission?`
`23:12.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`only if your going to say yes`
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`23:12.18`	`Xuerian`	`I need another hdd so I can install vista again /whine >_<`
`23:12.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Haaanyway, I'm looking forward to adoption - I need it to make my websites look nice`
`23:12.46`	`Kirkburn`	`FF2 isn't far off either`
`23:12.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`Xuerian, the release one?`
`23:12.59`	`Xuerian`	`Any one :P`
`23:13.05`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`23:13.08`	`Xuerian`	`well`
`23:13.09`	`Xuerian`	`not beta one`
`23:13.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`oh, i am not even bothering to install it till it releses`
`23:13.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`then i have a dual boot setup for all of the things that DONT work on it out of the box`
`23:13.32`	`Xuerian`	`I'm just gonna ignore the technicality of actually downloading it for the moment`
`23:14.05`	`Beladona`	`I just want to be able to develop my websites without worrying about "IE Workarounds"`
`23:14.11`	`Xuerian`	`Amen, Beladona`
`23:14.33`	`Xuerian`	`I for one, welcome our slightly more CSS2.1/3 enabled overlord.`
`23:14.34`	`Beladona`	`perfect example: png`
`23:14.42`	`Beladona`	`or css child references`
`23:15.03`	`Xuerian`	`Does :hover work properly in it?`
`23:15.08`	`zenzelezz`	`Xuerian: nemesis, not overlord`
`23:15.08`	`Kirkburn`	`yup`
`23:15.09`	`Beladona`	`believe so`
`23:15.16`	`Xuerian`	`Woo.`
`23:15.20`	`Beladona`	`which will make mouseover's so much easier`
`23:15.20`	`Xuerian`	`No more mouseover hacks`
`23:15.24`	`Beladona`	`aye`
`23:15.29`	`Kirkburn`	`One of the improvements: "Ability to hover on all elements"`
`23:15.41`	`Beladona`	`true css menus`
`23:15.48`	`Xuerian`	`<3`
`23:16.15`	`Xuerian`	`How does positioning match up? Still rendering differently?`
`23:16.47`	`Kirkburn`	`Positioning sorted too`
`23:17.11`	`Xuerian`	`Well, I have to give them credit for satisfying both my biggest annoyances off the bat`
`23:17.30`	`Xuerian`	`"Credit" is relative, though :P`
`23:19.06`	`Kirkburn`	`It won't be long until 7.5 or 8, fortunately. IE7 is mostly the 'fix' release.`
`23:19.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dunno, if they had that you would think it would be bundled with vista`
`23:20.22`	`Kirkburn`	`When I say 'won't be long' I mean early-middle of next year`
`23:22.14`	`Kirkburn`	`The Vista version is a more advanced version of IE7 anyway`
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`23:25.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`o?`
`23:25.53`	`Kirkburn`	`It runs in 'protected mode' - basically it has no access whatsoever to the system apart from the Temp Internet Files folder`
`23:26.40`	`Xuerian`	`Well, that's good news o-)`
`23:26.43`	`Xuerian`	`o_0*`
`23:36.40`	`JoshBorke`	`bah, debugging sucks`
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`23:38.12`	`tyroney\|work`	`ok, should be easy: bgFile - tiled or stretched?`
`23:38.13`	`zenzelezz`	`sometimes, but it can be pretty interesting too`
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`23:38.31`	`tyroney\|work`	`Woo, looks like it's tiled.`
`23:38.46`	`tyroney\|work`	`I'm tryin' to make a lazy man's grid.`
`23:39.13`	`tyroney\|work`	`So, uh, thanks.`
`23:39.47`	`zenzelezz`	`talking to yourself is the first sign of madness`
`23:39.52`	`tyroney\|work`	`Shh!`
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`23:45.53`	`Mikk`	`Kirkburn: That's what they've said for every new IE version since they introduced the ActiveX bungle way back then`
`23:45.58`	`Mikk`	`It was sandboxed in IE5`
`23:46.03`	`Mikk`	`It was sandboxed again in IE6`
`23:46.08`	`Mikk`	`and now again in IE7`
`23:46.15`	`Mikk`	`So far, it's never been sandboxed at all.`
`23:46.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, it is this time :)`
`23:46.44`	`Kirkburn`	`The entire thing is sandboxed`
`23:46.55`	`zenzelezz`	`it's in a sandbox, it's just that everyone can come in and play in it`
`23:47.07`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`23:47.08`	`Mikk`	`And break out of it, since they can run ActiveShit`
`23:47.30`	`Mikk`	`The whole model is flawed to begin with.`
`23:47.53`	`zenzelezz`	`someone should make a hack for it that disabled it. Call it something like InactiveX`
`23:47.59`	`Mikk`	`They exist`
`23:48.09`	`Mikk`	`Problem is so many web sites assume you support ActiveX if you have IE`
`23:48.11`	`Mikk`	`Including MS' site`
`23:48.20`	`Mikk`	`Just swap browsers and be done with it :-P`
`23:48.46`	`Mikk`	`(Oh, and if you disable ActiveX, you get an on-screen warning for every site that attempts to use ActiveX. Wanna bet you get sick of it? =))`
`23:48.54`	`zenzelezz`	`I only use IE for Windows Update, or at work (where I don't have rights to install stuff)`
`23:49.29`	`Mikk`	`Aye well if $ork wants to take the risk, that's their problem. Work-free day for you when the office gets owned =)`
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`23:50.26`	`zenzelezz`	`it would suck for them if something happened, but it probably wouldn't be too hard to correct, since everything's just run remotely`
`23:50.49`	`zenzelezz`	`the local computer boots to some Linux screen where you start the ICA-thingamajig`
`23:51.00`	`Mikk`	`Aahh`
`23:51.16`	`Mikk`	`Sounds sort of clueful`
`23:51.30`	`Mikk`	`Unless they enforce it on people that need local computing power.`
`23:51.32`	`zenzelezz`	`first smart thing they've done in ages`
`23:51.58`	`zenzelezz`	`at the same time as they set up that, they also went from NT4 to W2003`
`23:53.30`	`Mikk`	`Whoa, not XP? ;)`
`23:53.51`	`Mikk`	`Did they hire someone with clue? o.O`
`23:53.55`	`zenzelezz`	`must have`
`23:54.17`	`zenzelezz`	`but they obviously were aware of the cost; on NT4 everyone and their dog had an account, now only some do`
`23:55.14`	`Mikk`	`Well. No per-seat costs with ICA under linux.`
`23:55.25`	`Tain`	`Jericho and Lost, Wednesday is a good night for TV.`
`23:55.32`	`zenzelezz`	`it's the W2003 part that costs I believe :)`
`23:55.36`	`Mikk`	`mmhmhhmm`
`23:56.00`	`Mikk`	`a bit nutty how you "need" to shell out money every ~3 years`
`23:56.27`	`Mikk`	`back in the day, typewriters would last 20 years. now you need to pay twice of what a typewriter costs every 3 years`
`23:57.07`	`zenzelezz`	`too easy to fool the corporate executives`
`23:57.34`	`Mikk`	`then again... NT4 on a PIII still does what Joe Officedude needs for his actual works`
`23:57.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`There is a tier 4 set for most builds for each class.`
`23:57.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Mr_Rabies2> The boss drops a "token" for a certain slot for a certain set of classes (it's not really called a "token", but I'm speaking of it mech`
`23:57.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oops`
`23:58.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Ooh, interesting - the top 3 websites in the world are not in the order I expected (according to Alexa)`
`23:58.09`	`zenzelezz`	`sounds like T2.5/3`
`23:58.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Google is third :O`
`23:59.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well, zenz`
`23:59.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the difference is, there's gear for most every build`
`23:59.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`which has been needed forever`
`23:59.42`	`zenzelezz`	`so you mean there are several sets per class?`

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