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| 00:05.20 | DocVanGogh | Anyone willing and able to forward a suggestion regarding SecureActionButton types? It's kinda hard posting things in the us board as a euro player :( |
| 00:05.46 | Cairenn | DocVanGogh: you betcha |
| 00:06.12 | Cairenn | PM me with either the link you want it posted on, or the title you want if you want a new thread, and the precise text you want posted |
| 00:06.48 | DocVanGogh | slight modification to 'item' type button, you cou can set up one click weapon poisoning/sharpening buttons |
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| 00:13.16 | Amro | hi |
| 00:14.02 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 00:29.04 | SP|Sorren | anyone here in beta? |
| 00:29.11 | MentalPower | yah, sup |
| 00:29.24 | SP|Sorren | so the change in beta, mods can no longer target anything? |
| 00:29.27 | SP|Sorren | or how does that work? |
| 00:29.40 | SP|Sorren | does it completely kill mods like hitlist? |
| 00:29.44 | MentalPower | you can only target using the secure templates |
| 00:29.48 | MentalPower | yes it does |
| 00:29.54 | SP|Sorren | :< |
| 00:30.22 | MentalPower | you can still have the list, but you can't target the people by clicking on the list |
| 00:30.24 | [floyd] | No more cheat buddies, omg teh world as we know it is coming to an end! :D |
| 00:30.50 | SP|Sorren | bah, that sucks |
| 00:30.55 | SP|Sorren | i can't save ICU then :< |
| 00:31.03 | MentalPower | ICU? |
| 00:31.08 | SP|Sorren | hunter tracking mod |
| 00:31.17 | SP|Sorren | uses the dots on the minimap to target stuff |
| 00:31.19 | SP|Sorren | and display info |
| 00:31.35 | Guillotine | you can have it display info, but not target |
| 00:31.43 | MentalPower | display info, good| target, bad |
| 00:31.43 | Guillotine | well, it can still target out of combat |
| 00:31.54 | SP|Sorren | it gets info by targetting :P |
| 00:32.01 | Amro | I heard targetting was removed entirely |
| 00:32.08 | Amro | and CastSpellByName is used instead |
| 00:32.11 | SP|Sorren | out of combat huh |
| 00:32.24 | SP|Sorren | and did they kill the /script command? |
| 00:32.35 | SP|Sorren | or can you still do /script stuff from the chatbox? |
| 00:32.39 | Amro | "Targetting is off limits at all times, but casting spells will currently be allowed out of combat. " |
| 00:32.52 | Guillotine | Amro: see http://warcraft-and-you.blogspot.com/2006/10/add-onmacro-lockdown-and-you.html and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34224257&sid=1 |
| 00:33.40 | MentalPower | --/script is still allowed, but it has the same limitations as addons do |
| 00:39.14 | MentalPower | brb |
| 00:43.38 | Arrowmaster | so can you or can you not call TargetLastTarget() in an addon post expansion? |
| 00:43.52 | Arrowmaster | or TargetLastEnemy() |
| 00:48.06 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 00:48.17 | Arrowmaster | you cant? |
| 00:48.23 | AnduinLothar | correct |
| 00:48.37 | Arrowmaster | then they better make it so FD doesnt detarget |
| 00:48.54 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 00:49.10 | Arrowmaster | damn hunter buffs |
| 00:49.10 | AnduinLothar | otherwise it'd be useless in pvp |
| 00:49.26 | Arrowmaster | it still makes your spell stop casting |
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| 00:50.49 | Arrowmaster | its not like FD actually does anything but make casters stop casting since everybody has a retarget mod just like they did for all the other stuff before they changed them |
| 00:51.40 | AnduinLothar | not any more |
| 00:52.03 | SP|Sorren | so fd will require people to hit their last target bind? |
| 00:52.05 | SP|Sorren | huzzah. |
| 00:52.12 | SP|Sorren | maybe the tracking nerf isn't so bad. |
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| 01:10.53 | DocVanGogh | ooooookay - freenode doesn't like me sending PMs :( |
| 01:12.36 | Maldivia | are you registered in the nick service? |
| 01:12.44 | Maldivia | if not, you can't send private messages |
| 01:13.11 | DocVanGogh | hmpf |
| 01:14.42 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.03 | Amro | its painless and doesnt involve emails |
| 01:17.30 | Xuerian | or just /nickserv register <pw>, and /nickserv ident <pw> |
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| 01:32.08 | DoctorVanGogh | Cairenn - I can't seem to send you a PM. Put up my suggestion at http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=690560&sid=2#0 - you should be able to grab them from there. 2.0 Changes thread should work fine. |
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| 02:10.12 | Shadowed | SpellTargetUnit doesn't happen to require a hardware event does it? |
| 02:16.56 | Shadowed | Nevermind |
| 02:22.24 | Xuerian | gwwaahahaahahahaah http://www.errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2005-10-21 |
| 02:37.06 | Cairenn | DocVanGogh: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&postId=369509839&sid=1#842 |
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| 02:53.09 | DocVanGogh | thanks, Cair |
| 02:53.23 | Cairenn | welcome |
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| 03:29.11 | Thunder_Child | hey Cairenn, i like how the words go off the end of the fourm text area in your post |
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| 10:16.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | so what's the general consensus for wow 2.0 changes? |
| 10:16.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | as far as UIs are concerned? |
| 10:16.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | good? bad? nerfed to uselessness? |
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| 10:20.24 | nevcairiel | somewhat good, once you get used to it. |
| 10:20.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a feeling half the mods that i use that aren't maintained anymore will go the way of the dodo and that makes me sad [ |
| 10:20.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 10:21.32 | nevcairiel | hm yeah, old addons which arent maintained anymore will wash away |
| 10:21.43 | nevcairiel | unless someone fixes them |
| 10:23.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a ton that aren't maintained anymore |
| 10:23.54 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5498 |
| 10:25.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | that'll update them to the new type for the most part, but won't get around blizzard's goofy new templates and stuff :/ |
| 10:25.25 | Elkano | well, for many of these addons there will most likely be more or less rewritten versions I think or at least addons that do sth simpilar |
| 10:25.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't found anything yet that acts like moveanything! |
| 10:28.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | no portrait damage, no getoffgetgoing, no shapeshifter/aspected, no tankpoints, no vault :/ |
| 10:29.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | updating them with AL's thing might work partially on some, but i don't know any lua to fix it if i break something |
| 10:30.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish i could get into beta so i could see exactly what they broke firsthand |
| 10:31.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | before paying 40 bucks to decide i don't like it |
| 10:31.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | do you have a working version of wardrobe for bc, AL? |
| 10:31.37 | zenzelezz | you could just wait till release and see |
| 10:31.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | true, but i doubt i'd be able to find a copy if i did |
| 10:32.05 | zenzelezz | I mean about seeing what breaks |
| 10:32.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had to wait a few weeks and go on a decent road trip to get retail back at launch |
| 10:33.04 | zenzelezz | the changes will affect everyone, not just those with expansion |
| 10:33.18 | zenzelezz | so you can get the broken addons for free |
| 10:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i mean i doubt i'd be able to find BC at all for a while if i don't preorder it |
| 10:34.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not addon reliant, but they definitely cut out some of the timesinks in the game for me |
| 10:34.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can play fine without them, but it's annoying |
| 10:35.01 | zenzelezz | all I'm saying is you don't need to pay for BC to see whether it will break your addons, just wait for the patch |
| 10:35.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | you think that patch will come out pre bc launch? |
| 10:35.22 | zenzelezz | no |
| 10:35.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | sigh, it's either possibly waste 40 bucks or possibly not get a copy for a month |
| 10:39.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess all the changes aren't too much of a big deal for those of you that can code around most of the changes, but for those of us that can't do much more than edit a line here and there and make it work, this is a very bad thing :/ |
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| 11:42.50 | AnduinLothar | saw bracers with like 57 stam |
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| 12:28.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www3.telus.net/public/mehwulfe/kyan/WoW/beta3/nurd-beta-pk.jpg |
| 12:28.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | hehehe |
| 12:28.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love that screen |
| 12:29.31 | Mikma | wth :D |
| 12:29.32 | Mikma | that's neat |
| 12:30.21 | AnduinLothar | what's so neat, that it's beta with cosmos or that it's casting invisibility? |
| 12:30.32 | Mikma | 2 things |
| 12:30.40 | Mikma | undead can read common and mage had invisibility |
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| 12:30.49 | AnduinLothar | ah right, common |
| 12:31.28 | Mikma | oh and 3rd thing is that the person is asking is there a warlock somewhere and has been killed moment ago |
| 12:31.50 | AnduinLothar | my caffine is wearing off |
| 12:33.13 | AnduinLothar | oi.. tracking quest start/end/progress really shouldn't take 400 lines of code.. |
| 12:34.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 12:34.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | while you're here, do you have a working version of wardrobe for bc beta yet? |
| 12:35.02 | AnduinLothar | it's in cosmos and on wowi already |
| 12:35.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they change anything about how it works other than lua 5.1.1 support? |
| 12:35.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | wardrobe's part of cosmos now? heh i've been downloading it manually all this time because it's been nopatched forever now |
| 12:35.48 | AnduinLothar | meh, i finally put it in |
| 12:36.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it in the current alpha? |
| 12:36.21 | AnduinLothar | nothing substantial has changed from the users perspective |
| 12:36.33 | AnduinLothar | no, it's in the TBC distro |
| 12:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 12:36.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want into beta so bad :[ |
| 12:36.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wanna test out what addons are gonna be completely borked |
| 12:37.07 | AnduinLothar | all of them |
| 12:37.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really don't mind losing decursive, as long as they are really designing fights with it not being available anymore in mind |
| 12:37.37 | AnduinLothar | i was fixing something, but now i have no idea what it was. |
| 12:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, i mean without updating them to 5.1.1 support |
| 12:37.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | in what? wardrobe? |
| 12:38.05 | AnduinLothar | no, my GameAmp addon |
| 12:38.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 12:38.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's that? :P |
| 12:38.44 | AnduinLothar | data farmer |
| 12:38.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | nice |
| 12:39.06 | AnduinLothar | Best one on the market atm |
| 12:39.36 | AnduinLothar | well, 'on the market' is relative. it's still in closed beta |
| 12:40.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | are any of the cosmos addons gonna get massive changes due to how blizzard nerfed some types of stuff? |
| 12:40.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i imagine castoptions, dunno if you maintain that or not |
| 12:40.41 | AnduinLothar | lalla's still deciding what to do with that |
| 12:40.49 | AnduinLothar | VisOpts is borked in combat now |
| 12:41.06 | AnduinLothar | BarOptions needs a rewrite, but has no author |
| 12:41.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, blah, i don't know why they decided to do these changes :| |
| 12:41.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, killing decursive kinda made some sense, if they want to change how boss fights happen |
| 12:41.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than that seems to be a lot more bad than good |
| 12:43.11 | Kirkburn | To balance the playfield a little, I guess |
| 12:43.38 | Kirkburn | (between those with and those without addons) |
| 12:43.43 | AnduinLothar | the designers don't give a rats ass whether you can use addons or not, they never have. You just get one or two people that like modders that keep it viable at all. |
| 12:45.34 | Kirkburn | I meant that in PvP combat, those with addons have a huge advantage. |
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| 12:45.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | ehh, not if you know what you're doing, not really |
| 12:46.08 | Kirkburn | I can't imagine the designers ever wished it to become standard for people to have addons choosing spells for you |
| 12:46.20 | Kirkburn | Stop being picky, I'm talking generally :) |
| 12:46.22 | Mery | but those who don't know what they are doing are looking better than they are |
| 12:46.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | addons are no replacement for experience |
| 12:46.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | not skill, because base wow doesn't require skill, just experience |
| 12:47.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | now, some of those were a bit overboard |
| 12:47.45 | Kirkburn | No, of course not. But again, talking generally, not about those without massive amounts of time to spend |
| 12:47.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the ones where you setup a cast order |
| 12:48.06 | Kirkburn | That's possible? |
| 12:48.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, shadow bolt, corruption, shadow bolt, curse of agony |
| 12:48.25 | Kirkburn | Hmm, actually, I think I saw something along those lines in Panza |
| 12:48.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | supposedly, i seem to remember someone talking about making one that did that |
| 12:48.49 | Kirkburn | (a two-button judgement, seal, judgement, etc thing) |
| 12:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't use it because there's too many situations where those are a bad idea |
| 12:49.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | feralskills kinda does that |
| 12:49.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm afraid it's gonna be totally borked over now |
| 12:49.36 | Kirkburn | Ah well, life moves on and people will find other ways to satisfy their coding urges |
| 12:49.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | no biggie though, just gonna have to find some stuff to take off my bar in cat form |
| 12:49.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm hoping people find ways around the stupid stupid changes |
| 12:50.20 | Mery | well I guess you need to look further, you cannot say "hey my addon did not use logic (as in looking at combat data) and can't be used anymore" - they are disabling those that "looked at combat data" and choosed the "best" spells for the situation |
| 12:50.26 | Kirkburn | Depends on what that means - what does 'stupid' mean for you? |
| 12:50.40 | Kirkburn | (i.e. which changes) |
| 12:50.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | most people found their way around previous addon nerfs already |
| 12:50.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh, transparency, resizing, stuff like that |
| 12:50.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't agree with any of them to a certain extent |
| 12:51.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | nerfing creativity is a bad thing |
| 12:51.23 | Kirkburn | Making addons "necessary" is also a bad thing |
| 12:51.24 | zenzelezz | that's a silly way to put it |
| 12:51.29 | Mery | well that would mean "bots" should be leagal as they are very creative |
| 12:51.37 | zenzelezz | WoW isn't intended to be a tool, addons is a bonus |
| 12:51.40 | Kirkburn | Could very well mean that we see more creativity afterwards |
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| 12:51.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | well instead of breaking the addon completely |
| 12:52.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard could do something to implement something at least similar into the core game |
| 12:52.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the enemy cast bars |
| 12:52.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | that replaces spellalert for the most part |
| 12:52.23 | Kirkburn | I can understand the moving and resizing in combat restrictions because you could emulate the spell choosing stuff with it |
| 12:53.16 | Kirkburn | What does "the addon" mean here? You said that, then gave an example of how they *are* implementing stuff |
| 12:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, they could implement some more functionality into macros to make some of the stuff they're outright killing more acessible to people that don't use them |
| 12:54.20 | zenzelezz | I'm confused |
| 12:54.28 | Mery | but they "don't want to automate their game" that much... |
| 12:54.34 | zenzelezz | make it accessible to people that don't use what? |
| 12:54.42 | Mery | I mean they also could sell the best epics for 1g in every city |
| 12:55.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | like build smart rank choosing into the game for heals |
| 12:55.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | as an option |
| 12:55.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | for example |
| 12:55.18 | zenzelezz | if they wanted that, it would have been in the core from release |
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| 12:55.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | because all that they're doing is making it a pain to cast anything mroe than the highest rank |
| 12:55.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't have enough action buttons to cast ranks 5 through whatever of healing touch |
| 12:56.11 | Kirkburn | (on a side point, I certainly do understand the problem with the decursive killing - if they don't change a couple of the exisiting encounters, it's going cause problems. I've never raided, but I've seen my druid housemate frequently jamming the decurse button to keep everyone alive) |
| 12:56.15 | Mery | well they could battle that by making spell damge less effective on lower ranks |
| 12:56.32 | Mery | decursing is easy to do by hand |
| 12:56.35 | Mery | you got 1.5 sec |
| 12:56.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just make bosses not chuck out debuffs like candy |
| 12:56.46 | Mery | and if you talk to other players before you got an order |
| 12:57.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | some fights you have about 6 seconds to cure 40 people or you're losing a bunch of people |
| 12:57.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is next to impossible for a human to do |
| 12:57.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's part of the reason decursive was made in the first place |
| 12:57.34 | Mery | it is not... people are just lazy |
| 12:57.37 | Kirkburn | Not without amazing co-ordination |
| 12:57.50 | Mery | amazing meaning "everybody cures" |
| 12:57.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | the debuff spamming bosses of mc cockblocking everyone is why decursive was made |
| 12:58.03 | zenzelezz | I'm getting a weird feeling here... maybe Blizzard intended raids to be challenging! |
| 12:58.09 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 12:58.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not challenge, that's annoyance |
| 12:58.15 | Mery | well you know I always clean about 10 to 15 curses at luci |
| 12:58.24 | Mery | with 6 mages 4 druids in teh raid |
| 12:58.33 | Mery | that just means some people are not doing their job |
| 12:58.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it takes no more skill to click 2 buttons than to click 1 |
| 12:58.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | on luci i'm usually in cat form so i don't bother with decursing |
| 12:59.31 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty convinced no amount of whining will change their minds, and I think they're right in the changes, as opposed to them as I initially was |
| 12:59.34 | Mery | well the point is you say the core game takes no skill just experience, but what is coordination is part of the core game? |
| 12:59.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially now that it's a chore, i'm hoping they don't make fights be debuff heavy |
| 12:59.55 | Mery | what if* |
| 13:00.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | coordnation doesn't take skill, just time |
| 13:00.12 | zenzelezz | no |
| 13:00.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can send a group of noobs into mc and throw them at bosses and eventually they'll drop them |
| 13:00.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if they only hit 1 button the entire time |
| 13:00.58 | zenzelezz | MC isn't a good example for such things in my opinion |
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| 13:01.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | well mc's the big debuff fights |
| 13:01.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than chromaggus |
| 13:01.26 | zenzelezz | Noth |
| 13:01.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | which they'll need to redesign |
| 13:01.45 | Mery | huh? we beat them without decursive |
| 13:01.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | no one in your raid had it? |
| 13:01.57 | Mery | (well before everybody had to have decursive) |
| 13:02.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh i had it long before i "had" to have it |
| 13:02.11 | Mery | i think no one |
| 13:02.19 | zenzelezz | everyone can do it without, as long as they're willing to take the time to get used to it |
| 13:02.24 | zenzelezz | not leave after two wipes |
| 13:02.32 | Mery | its 5 decurses every 30 sec |
| 13:02.37 | Kirkburn | Point is, "everyone" has relied on decursive for too long |
| 13:02.39 | Mery | if EVERYBODY does his job |
| 13:02.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a feeling unless they redesign fights without decursive in mind |
| 13:02.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | all these old instances will be ghost towns |
| 13:03.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they're simply NOT FUN at all |
| 13:03.08 | Kirkburn | Remember, level 60 is no longer the level cap |
| 13:03.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, yeah |
| 13:03.17 | zenzelezz | I have enough people saying they're not fun even WITH these addons to aid |
| 13:03.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | but people still go to SM |
| 13:03.23 | Kirkburn | So people will not all being going in there at 60 |
| 13:03.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | even though 40's not the level cap |
| 13:03.41 | Kirkburn | ... which should make the fights easier |
| 13:03.53 | zenzelezz | I think it's a bad idea to compare raid instances with SM |
| 13:03.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i probably won't go in there at all |
| 13:04.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless they redesign fights |
| 13:04.59 | Kirkburn | That's your choice of course, but I'm saying that they will become easier when the expansion rolls around |
| 13:04.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | because decursing and healing at the same time is a pain, and if you divide the duty, you're most likely not gonna have enough of one thing |
| 13:04.59 | Kirkburn | Therefore you won't "need" addons as much |
| 13:04.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 13:04.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | why would you GO into those places at 70 anyway? |
| 13:05.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're hell |
| 13:05.00 | Kirkburn | Did I say 70? |
| 13:05.05 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 13:05.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | or at any level |
| 13:05.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can get better gear for less pain |
| 13:05.19 | zenzelezz | if you hate them so much, just don't go |
| 13:05.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | for no more skill being required |
| 13:05.20 | Kirkburn | Because 60-70 doesn't have raid instances? |
| 13:05.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | just less pain |
| 13:05.39 | Mery | well I would be suprised if there is no decurse/cleanse heavy fight in TBC raid instances =P just to show people they can do without decursive |
| 13:05.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd probably reroll if i learned of that |
| 13:05.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm on the verge now |
| 13:06.05 | Kirkburn | I'm not speaking for myself here - however my housemate loves to raid. He and his guild will be running the current eng-game instances for some time yet |
| 13:06.10 | zenzelezz | like people have said before, Blizzard tests raid instances without addons |
| 13:06.15 | zenzelezz | if they can do it, anyone can with some effort |
| 13:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
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| 13:06.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't say what kind of gear they test them in |
| 13:06.35 | Kirkburn | The appropriate stuff, oddly enough |
| 13:06.41 | Kirkburn | They won't run Naxx in Tier 3 |
| 13:06.52 | Kirkburn | They'll run it in Tier 2 + AQ40 stuff |
| 13:06.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | they also said that c'thun was killable before they fixed him |
| 13:07.10 | zenzelezz | despite General Forum attitude, Blizzard's development teams aren't morons |
| 13:07.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think putting 40 monkeys in a room to design encounters would have been a better result than mc |
| 13:08.16 | Kirkburn | Blizz don't have an equivalent of the best guilds in the world on their team. Therefore they have to guess how well they'd fare against C'thun, even if they can't take him themselves |
| 13:08.45 | Mery | they also know the script of c'thun |
| 13:08.53 | Mery | which might give them a huge advantage |
| 13:08.57 | zenzelezz | players learn them |
| 13:09.01 | zenzelezz | like they're meant to |
| 13:09.19 | zenzelezz | if we were meant to down everything on first attempt then all we would see were MC-style fights |
| 13:09.23 | Kirkburn | MC was the first raid instance ... oddly enough, the first time you do something, it's not always perfect |
| 13:09.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, their screwups then are why addons are being screwed over now |
| 13:10.30 | zenzelezz | addons live by the mercy of Blizzard, they have no right to complain if something changes to break them |
| 13:10.47 | zenzelezz | many MMOs don't even allow you to customize things |
| 13:10.55 | Mery | they _always_ said they don't like smart buttons... so basically they warned you 1 and 1/2 years ago that they'll disable them sometime |
| 13:11.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | making fights far too draining on most groups is why decursive and other addons came out in the first place |
| 13:11.23 | Kirkburn | That's fair enough |
| 13:11.25 | zenzelezz | raid instances aren't meant for people who want an easy ride |
| 13:11.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | being a healer isn't like taxing your skills, but taxing how frustrated you can get without canceling or rerolling |
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| 13:11.59 | zenzelezz | if you don't want that level of work, go do the lesser instances |
| 13:12.01 | Kirkburn | Raid instance caps are being dropped to 25 now, which should make any decursing easier, no? |
| 13:12.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless they chuck out just as many curses scaled down |
| 13:12.20 | Mery | stays the same if all people decurse =P |
| 13:12.20 | zenzelezz | isn't that just new instances? Or does it apply to the existing ones too? |
| 13:12.28 | Kirkburn | Yeah, just new ones |
| 13:12.30 | Mery | just for new instances |
| 13:12.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're also talking about making druids useful in all their roles |
| 13:12.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | which cuts out a few people from each raid from decursing/depoisoning in certain fights |
| 13:13.14 | Mery | well only if those fights require a both |
| 13:13.16 | zenzelezz | their guild can still have them decurse |
| 13:13.22 | Mery | and that then might be just bad design |
| 13:13.29 | Kirkburn | Here my point is, it's relative. The end-game instances will be harder to do without decursive, yes. However, not everyone will be level 60. AND the latter BC instances have a cap of 25, which make decursing as bit simpler to manage there too |
| 13:14.01 | Kirkburn | Just because classes get more options in fights doesn't suddenly make them useless in another role |
| 13:14.06 | Mery | The point is if decursing is really not possible to manage they'll scale down the difficulty |
| 13:14.10 | Kirkburn | They can DPS when needed and decurse when needed |
| 13:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, if they really are telling the truth when they say they're designing fights without decursive in mind anymore, then hopefully things won't be so painful |
| 13:14.17 | Mery | in the end they are always aiming for mass market |
| 13:14.24 | Kirkburn | How could they not be Mr_Rabies? |
| 13:14.27 | zenzelezz | also depends on the curses and crap. Not everyone has to have the -healing debuff removed and whatnot |
| 13:14.34 | Kirkburn | If decursive is broken, they surely cannot be using it! |
| 13:14.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | because not everything that appears in blue text is truth |
| 13:14.55 | Kirkburn | I have no answer for that |
| 13:15.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | they like to dodge questions |
| 13:15.23 | zenzelezz | how much longer are we going to reiterate the same things? :-p |
| 13:15.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it might be the truth, but it might not answer the question |
| 13:15.39 | Mery | as long as we are bored |
| 13:15.45 | Kirkburn | Wow, no-one ever tries to dodge questions, ever! |
| 13:15.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | or it might be just misinformed information relaying |
| 13:15.53 | zenzelezz | better be soon, my Fire potion is running out |
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| 13:16.38 | Kirkburn | I've never come across a post where a blue appears to have deliberately mis-informed the community |
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| 13:16.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | not deliberatley straight up said something false |
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| 13:17.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they've accidentally said things incorrectly plenty of times, and have dodged the question by answering it very carefully and not responding when people are asking, say, "so, fights will be less debuff heavy? is that what not designing fights with decursive in mind anymore means?" |
| 13:18.11 | Kirkburn | Going back to point ... if decursive doesn't work in the BC betas, how the hell can they design with it in mind? It makes no sense! |
| 13:18.28 | zenzelezz | release is still some time off, don't you think it could be that the fights simply aren't finalized? |
| 13:18.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | like "hey blizz, since you're nerfing decursive, are you making fights less debuff-cure heavy?" |
| 13:18.47 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies, I'm sure I've seen a response saying "the encounters will be less debuff heavy" |
| 13:18.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | "we're designing fights without decursive in mind now that we've killed it" |
| 13:19.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | they sort-of answered the question, but not really |
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| 13:19.49 | Kirkburn | Standard way to respond to questions - why would they want to give away any surprises? |
| 13:19.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's SOP for people in the PR field |
| 13:20.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially at blizzard |
| 13:20.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | where even the most minute detail is kept secret |
| 13:20.25 | Kirkburn | Which I would argue is no bad thing |
| 13:21.13 | Kirkburn | Anyway, what kind of answer do you want? |
| 13:21.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | what do you mean? |
| 13:21.36 | Kirkburn | If they say "yes", someone will point out a lone relatively debuffing encounter and shout about it |
| 13:21.41 | zenzelezz | "Oh yes, sorry, we have taken notice of the 10 people complaining on our forums an will be reintroducing decursive" |
| 13:21.42 | Kirkburn | If they say "no", people will scream now |
| 13:22.05 | Kirkburn | If they say "maybe", both camps shout. It's no win |
| 13:22.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | saying "we're not designing most of the fights around debuff curing, as this is incredibly boring and leads healers and mages to suicide" |
| 13:22.40 | Kirkburn | Which is why they give the response they do "we're taking it into account" |
| 13:22.58 | Kirkburn | Oh yes, because that would be professional and true :/ |
| 13:23.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | well the first part is :P |
| 13:23.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | saying "we're not designing most of the fights around debuff curing, as we've heard player responses in these types of fights" |
| 13:23.28 | zenzelezz | no |
| 13:23.38 | Kirkburn | Which would be a "yes" answer and would result in people digging up the post in later years |
| 13:23.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | or "yeah, there's more debuff fights in the future, have fun healers!" |
| 13:24.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | or not answering |
| 13:24.09 | Kirkburn | Which would be a "no", and would result in shouting now |
| 13:24.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | either of those are better than answering the question with an answer to a different question |
| 13:24.24 | Kirkburn | Which would result in yet MORE complaining |
| 13:24.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | "what are you having for lunch?" "going to the post office to get the mail after work." |
| 13:24.48 | Kirkburn | It's not an answer to a different question, it's blizzard giving the only response they can |
| 13:25.02 | Kirkburn | That was an awful analogy :/ |
| 13:25.21 | zenzelezz | he's been doing bad analogies for a while already |
| 13:25.45 | Kirkburn | "Will you have cheese in the sandwich" "We are going to look at the relative tastiness of the cheese on offer, and decide" |
| 13:26.11 | Kirkburn | Which is neither a yes or no, it's a "wait and see" |
| 13:26.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that kind of answers the question, answering whether or not fights will be debuff spam heavy with "we're making fights without the addons that were more or less required for most guilds for our other fights in mind now" |
| 13:27.30 | Kirkburn | Blizzard have always said they test without addons anyway |
| 13:27.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | which to a lot of people, that says less debuff fights, but they can backpedal and say "we never said less debuff fights, we just said we knew you weren't using decursive anymore" |
| 13:27.47 | Kirkburn | Exactly. |
| 13:28.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they also said they knew people used decursive, and implied they made fights harder without it |
| 13:28.14 | Kirkburn | That's exactly the point. Definite answers often result in shouting matches |
| 13:28.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | no answer is better than a confusing non-answer that looks like an answer |
| 13:28.41 | zenzelezz | that's a matter of opinion |
| 13:28.42 | Kirkburn | (the last line was to you previous comment) |
| 13:29.17 | zenzelezz | if they don't give any answers, then you'll see the third camp, the "zomg they never pay attention to us" people |
| 13:29.36 | Kirkburn | Yes = shouting, no = shouting, maybe = shouting, no answer = shouting. Saying the acknowldge it = discussion! |
| 13:29.51 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 13:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hiding the fact that fights were just as debuff heavy until you buy the game and figure out yourself seems like a bad thing to me |
| 13:30.23 | Kirkburn | That makes no sense |
| 13:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially if they answer it with the implication that it wasn't as debuff heavy |
| 13:30.34 | Kirkburn | MC didn't come out until after the game was released |
| 13:30.54 | Kirkburn | What did you want? The manual to describe every encounter in detail before they were finished? |
| 13:30.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | bwl was finished before mc was, but somehow mc was crap and bwl was awesome |
| 13:31.15 | Kirkburn | Yet BWL came out afterwards ... odd that |
| 13:31.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it did |
| 13:31.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, it was almost finished, then they decided to finish mc first |
| 13:31.38 | Kirkburn | You think Blizzard didn't tweak BWl after they released MC? |
| 13:31.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i'm sure they did |
| 13:31.57 | Kirkburn | Do you really think they just left it and waited for a couple of months doing *nothing*? |
| 13:32.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the only way it turned out to be fun |
| 13:32.13 | Kirkburn | Yes! |
| 13:32.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | to me, that was the most entertaining instance |
| 13:32.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | aq40 was starship troopers: the instance |
| 13:32.51 | Kirkburn | I have no idea of your point now, so I'm going to have a shower :) |
| 13:32.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | and naxx has a cool background but i hear it's a lot of cockblocks |
| 13:33.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even have an idea of my point |
| 13:33.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm kinda just rambling |
| 13:33.17 | zenzelezz | you don't say |
| 13:33.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even know what the hell i started this conversation with |
| 13:34.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | all i know is, healing with addons is like putting a bandaid on someone hacking your leg off with a saw |
| 13:36.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes seem a bit less painful, but it's still not very comfortable. i hope they compensate healers with some native functionality since they're destroying a lot of support addons, not making the fights require more skill, but more tolerance of frustration |
| 13:36.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just make fights more fun for healers |
| 13:37.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyways i'm done rambling, i'm tired as hell |
| 13:39.08 | FISKER_Q | As far as i understood they won't focus on making anti-decursive fights and the likes anymore |
| 13:39.33 | FISKER_Q | but since they're very determined on not doing shit to the old instances i can't even understand why they're still open in TBC :P |
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| 13:41.53 | wereHamster | the razuvius encounter is fun for healers, isn't it? |
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| 13:43.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i left my raiding guild right before they went into naxx |
| 13:43.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | couldn't handle wiping night after night for 8 hours doing something i was mostly tired of doing nonstop |
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| 13:46.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | <FISKER_Q> but since they're very determined on not doing shit to the old instances i can't even understand why they're still open in TBC :P |
| 13:47.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, that's kinda what i'm talking about |
| 13:48.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they change those fights to make them a bit more fun, other than just making them not chuck out debuffs like a vietnamese hooker chucks out STDs, retuning things for running while leveling up, then it would be great |
| 13:48.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | until they change them i doubt i'd do more than 1 or 2 runs of naxx just to see the bosses, since i've seen everything else |
| 13:55.35 | Hatsuki | some highend guilds have already stopped running naxx |
| 13:55.59 | Hatsuki | as there's much better gear in TBC |
| 14:01.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm at the point in which i'm tired of heavy raid scheduling |
| 14:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm too far progressed to do anything smaller than raid instances |
| 14:03.00 | Hatsuki | "anything below 7 raiddays per week is casual" -point? |
| 14:06.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | ughhh screw that schedule :P |
| 14:06.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was on an 8 hours a night, 6 nights a week schedule and it broke me down |
| 14:07.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | that guild had a huge quit rate, because we weren't killing anything, and had that schedule |
| 14:07.04 | Hatsuki | we have 5hrs per evening, but many if not most take some days off |
| 14:07.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | every other day was a new "sorry guys, i'm taking a break, i might not be back" thread |
| 14:07.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the guild forums |
| 14:08.07 | Hatsuki | kinda stupid leadership if they dont understand that burning out players gimp progression |
| 14:08.15 | Hatsuki | *gimps |
| 14:09.23 | Hatsuki | that's good thing in 25man instances, there are maybe like 10-15 people in guild who will and can raid every day |
| 14:09.43 | Hatsuki | rest can raid that 3-4 days per week or whatever suits them best |
| 14:10.04 | zenzelezz | depends on the guild of course =) |
| 14:10.17 | Hatsuki | yep |
| 14:10.45 | Hatsuki | I, for one, would prefer that 3-4 days |
| 14:10.49 | zenzelezz | I'm just glad my guild leader has the same opinion as me on leveling, that we shouldn't try to grind 70 as fast as possible |
| 14:11.12 | Hatsuki | there're always some that will grind like there's no tomorrow |
| 14:11.26 | zenzelezz | I don't mind if they do, as long as I don't have to |
| 14:11.39 | Hatsuki | as there're (still) other things to do in wow, like playing alts or doing 5mans |
| 14:21.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i started leveling a mage alt in boredom |
| 14:22.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're pretty damn powerful |
| 14:22.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | but pretty damn squishy, it's a nice mix |
| 14:22.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll probably level a blood knight come bc |
| 14:22.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | that or be lock |
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| 15:53.46 | Corr[home] | so do you guys mind replaying that whole discussion about curses and instances, purely for my amusement, even though i have a complete record of it? |
| 15:59.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | cliffs: screw debuff chucking bosses :[ |
| 16:00.35 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], but of cousre :P |
| 16:04.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm too full of homemade chili to argue |
| 16:04.23 | Kirkburn | Sounds tasty =) |
| 16:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | delicious, my mom makes kickass chili |
| 16:05.34 | Kirkburn | I think I may make myself a bowl of tomato, cucumber and mozzarella with balsamic niegar and olive oil .... mmmmmmm :) (I'm *such* a pretend-italian) |
| 16:06.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | lettuce is the best part of a salad |
| 16:06.18 | Corr[home] | smirk |
| 16:06.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | carrots are pretty awesome too |
| 16:07.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | lettuce, carrot, and onion in italian dressing = godly |
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| 16:11.10 | Kirkburn | hehe |
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| 17:28.53 | zenzelezz | everyone please stop shouting! |
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| 17:30.01 | Cide | AARGH! |
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| 17:30.50 | Kirkburn | I can't hear myself think! |
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| 18:01.40 | FISKER_Q | haha Iriel |
| 18:01.46 | FISKER_Q | probably tell slouken this |
| 18:02.04 | FISKER_Q | if you put the loot treshhold beyond artifact you can't leave party without /script LeaveParty(); |
| 18:02.05 | FISKER_Q | :D |
| 18:02.19 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 18:02.59 | Iriel | Because the standard UI can't display the menu? |
| 18:03.08 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 18:03.26 | FISKER_Q | it makes an ui error because the color isn't defined |
| 18:03.26 | Iriel | I think that's a known issue actually the answer being along the lines of 'since the standard UI can't SET the loot threshold there, it's YOUR code that's broken' 8-) |
| 18:03.44 | zenzelezz | hah, owned |
| 18:03.49 | FISKER_Q | yeah well i'm inviting people at random and having fun with them :) |
| 18:06.21 | FISKER_Q | btw you know why there is a "Horde" faction |
| 18:08.24 | Kirkburn | Because ... uh ... there's this thing called the Horde? |
| 18:08.56 | FISKER_Q | yeah well why does it need actual rep? |
| 18:08.57 | Thunder_Child | a brain |
| 18:09.02 | FISKER_Q | isn't it just a category? |
| 18:09.06 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 18:09.20 | Kirkburn | Oh, it has a rep bar? |
| 18:09.55 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 18:10.22 | FISKER_Q | well or atleast tek's autorep picks it up and puts it as the watched faction when you get +horde faction |
| 18:11.51 | axxo | its +all horde citys |
| 18:11.54 | axxo | there is no horde bar |
| 18:12.13 | Kirkburn | Interesting thing came through the post today - my PC Gamer mentions that they were just starting playing the BC beta. They managed to edit that bit in the magazine very quickly - it's only been 11 days so far! |
| 18:12.50 | Kirkburn | (normally the lead time is over 2 weeks, afaik) |
| 18:12.50 | zenzelezz | well, newspapers mention stuff from the previous day |
| 18:13.28 | Thunder_Child | magazines need longer lead time than papers |
| 18:13.57 | Kirkburn | Apparently the review will eb next month :O |
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| 18:39.43 | hugo | anyone know some standalone target of target unitframe addon, something like ag unitframes or so but only ToT |
| 18:40.13 | cladhaire | the default blizzard UI |
| 18:40.16 | cladhaire | =) |
| 18:41.14 | hugo | yeah |
| 18:41.19 | hugo | i dont like the default one |
| 18:41.27 | hugo | thats why im searching some alternative :) |
| 18:41.39 | cladhaire | i dont think there are any that JUST have ToT.. its a waste of code =) |
| 18:42.01 | hugo | :( |
| 18:42.25 | hugo | what about use the the ToT from ag unitframes |
| 18:42.30 | hugo | is it possible somehow |
| 18:42.34 | cladhaire | there's nothing stopping you from doing that |
| 18:42.37 | hugo | so it dont hide the default frames |
| 18:42.39 | cladhaire | just disable everything BUt the ToT frames |
| 18:42.40 | cladhaire | hell |
| 18:42.47 | cladhaire | use WatchDog, and only activate the ToT frame. |
| 18:42.57 | hugo | but when i activate ag_unitframes |
| 18:43.02 | cladhaire | you just have to configure aguf properly |
| 18:43.04 | cladhaire | you have to change the options. |
| 18:43.05 | hugo | it hides original target player and party frames |
| 18:43.10 | cladhaire | not if you tell it not to imo |
| 18:43.19 | hugo | how can i do that please ? |
| 18:43.27 | cladhaire | i can't give you step by step directions, |
| 18:43.30 | cladhaire | just open the aguf config menu |
| 18:43.40 | hugo | you mean ingame config menu |
| 18:43.43 | hugo | theres nothing like that |
| 18:43.49 | hugo | to dont hide original frames |
| 18:44.55 | cladhaire | give me a moment. |
| 18:45.04 | hugo | thanks |
| 18:45.49 | zenzelezz | heh... guildie just accidentally DEd his DTC o_O |
| 18:47.28 | cladhaire | hugo: Ask AG for an option, it should definitely be in there. |
| 18:47.34 | Corrodias | what's a DTC, now? |
| 18:47.41 | cladhaire | hugo: You can download WatcHDog if you'd like, it can be used to JUST show the ToT frame |
| 18:47.44 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 18:47.47 | cladhaire | but i'm sure there are others. |
| 18:48.07 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: Drake Talon Cleaver |
| 18:48.30 | Corrodias | does not sound familiar. i shall research it. |
| 18:48.47 | zenzelezz | 2h axe from Firemaw/Ebonroc/Flamegor |
| 18:49.16 | Osagasu | Shammy weapon. |
| 18:49.23 | Corrodias | hunter weapon |
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| 18:50.34 | Osagasu | It has a melee proc. :P |
| 18:50.46 | Osagasu | Asscandy = hunter weapon. |
| 18:50.50 | Osagasu | oops |
| 18:50.53 | Osagasu | *ashkandi |
| 18:51.04 | Osagasu | ;>.> |
| 18:51.16 | Osagasu | I spend way too much time with raiders. |
| 18:51.40 | [floyd] | :D |
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| 19:01.13 | hugo | im here |
| 19:01.17 | hugo | was on dinner |
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| 19:03.49 | hugo | yes ag told me how to, thanks ;] |
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| 19:25.59 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:26.17 | Guillotine | hey ck :) (again) |
| 19:26.19 | Guillotine | do I win? |
| 19:26.34 | ckknight | win what? |
| 19:26.41 | Guillotine | the intranet? |
| 19:29.26 | ckknight | you win one intertube. |
| 19:33.22 | Kaso | http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7806/snakesonaplanepu6.jpg <3 |
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| 19:33.43 | Guillotine | lol |
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| 19:49.28 | hugo | cladhaire but figured out hiding party frame don't work now ;o |
| 19:49.35 | hugo | so still looking for some ToT only addond :D |
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| 19:52.34 | cladhaire | use watchdog |
| 19:52.37 | cladhaire | i already said that =) |
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| 20:00.57 | hugo | mmm |
| 20:01.03 | hugo | ok i look what it is |
| 20:01.06 | hugo | ;] |
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| 20:19.06 | Industrial | http://imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_102206_221731703.jpg |
| 20:20.23 | Industrial | im a lo-mem-pimp |
| 20:21.23 | Mikma | k |
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| 20:33.00 | Industrial | http://imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_102206_223114a1e.jpg |
| 20:33.01 | Industrial | OWNED BEEYOTCH |
| 20:33.42 | Cide | memory = features, less memory = less features |
| 20:33.46 | Cide | to each their own, congratulations :) |
| 20:36.43 | Guillotine | Industrial: It looks great, the question is if its viable for playing. I would have to go with no ;) |
| 20:36.52 | Industrial | why not? |
| 20:37.25 | Guillotine | only 6 buttons? |
| 20:37.33 | Guillotine | or are the ones not in use just hidden? |
| 20:37.37 | Industrial | yeah |
| 20:37.40 | Industrial | theres 36 buttons |
| 20:37.54 | Industrial | topright is a buff, thats the other end of the bar |
| 20:38.19 | Industrial | need to get rid of the minimap border |
| 20:38.35 | Industrial | but its fuzzy and ugly if you hide MinimapBorder |
| 20:44.48 | Industrial | dont really need anything else to play eh? |
| 20:45.07 | Guillotine | guess not |
| 20:45.24 | Guillotine | though things like Atlas make it SO much easier |
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| 20:56.57 | Cide | has anyone done a working ScrollFrame in lua? "real" scrollframes that is, not FauxScrollFrames |
| 21:03.22 | End | Cide: I have |
| 21:03.32 | Cide | I think I have it working now |
| 21:03.35 | Cide | thanks though End :) |
| 21:03.40 | End | okie |
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| 23:00.43 | hugo | cladhaire you here ? |
| 23:01.07 | hugo | i tried the watchdog for just the target of target |
| 23:01.31 | hugo | but cant find out how to keep the [percenthp]% at right side of frame |
| 23:01.49 | hugo | the 100% is moving left and right randomly depend how long is the targetname |
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| 23:22.32 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 23:22.51 | ckknight | hey Maldivia |
| 23:22.57 | Maldivia | heya - anything new ? |
| 23:23.34 | JoshBork1 | hugo: the [percenthp]% needs to be right-aligned |
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| 23:24.03 | hugo | how do i align it ? |
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| 23:24.38 | Maldivia | people enjoying the BC Beta? |
| 23:24.47 | hugo | if i do [name] 10xspace [percenthp]% then if the name is long it do: longname 10x space [percenthp]% |
| 23:24.56 | hugo | i need the space to be flexible |
| 23:25.08 | cladhaire | hugo: [right][percenthp] |
| 23:25.11 | hugo | ohh |
| 23:25.16 | hugo | thanks you :) |
| 23:25.23 | hugo | thats it |
| 23:25.38 | cladhaire | [left] and [center] also work =) |
| 23:34.01 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBork1 (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 23:36.10 | Kirkburn | Lookit! Funky new News bar :) |
| 23:36.11 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page |
| 23:40.08 | Cairenn | funky |
| 23:41.56 | *** join/#wowi-lounge qw` (n=qw@84.211.225.217) |
| 23:42.11 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: What news bar? :P |
| 23:42.30 | zenzelezz | think it's the one on the bottom of the first section... however you call it |
| 23:42.30 | Xuerian | Oh. that news bar. |
| 23:42.31 | Guillotine | the little line that says TBC info can now be posted :P |
| 23:42.50 | zenzelezz | took me some time to spot too |
| 23:43.03 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:43.14 | Xuerian | Looks good, though :P |
| 23:43.28 | Kirkburn | Why thank you! :) |
| 23:44.37 | Cairenn | I think I need a new radio station |
| 23:44.55 | Cairenn | they're using extremely foul language on my regular one |
| 23:45.12 | Cairenn | "wind chill" "minus" "snow" |
| 23:46.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shabador (i=Shabador@ti400720a080-5027.bb.online.no) |
| 23:54.56 | hugo | cool watchdog suited me needs perfectly ;o |
| 23:59.21 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, lol |
