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| 00:06.16 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:07.20 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
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| 00:53.42 | Guillotine | does anyone here happen to know about programming firefox extensions? I can't seem to get mine working :( |
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| 01:00.09 | kaiden | Anyone seen Devla around lately? |
| 01:02.09 | kaiden | Ok does Anyone know much about Epoxy his ui that he's been releasing as of late or specifically the layout he uses in ag_UnitFrames |
| 01:02.36 | kaiden | i would love to have that layout for my ag_UF for live version but it's not seperated as an actual layout i think he just hacked away at the look manually |
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| 01:09.47 | Zeryl | Hey Xuerian, are you here to answer a question? |
| 01:11.09 | cogwheel | If not, there's plenty of others who might be able to help (unless you need something specific from him...) |
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| 01:11.39 | Zeryl | It's his addon, lol, thought he might know best |
| 01:11.47 | cogwheel | gotcha |
| 01:11.54 | Zeryl | Just getting an error from AceLocale about a missing translation, however it's there |
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| 01:12.29 | cogwheel | are you sure it's his addon causing the error? he may just have the most updated version of AceLocale (assuming you have other Ace2 addons) |
| 01:12.36 | Xuerian | Huh, Zeryl? |
| 01:13.11 | cogwheel | That's the trouble with embedded libraries... They make it hard to see which addon is actually causing the problem... |
| 01:13.13 | Zeryl | XLootMonitor\XlootMonitorOptions.lua: AceLocale(XLoot): Translation "optOptions" does not exist. |
| 01:13.27 | Xuerian | Zeryl: What locale are you? |
| 01:13.32 | Zeryl | i know it's there, because I can see it in the file, it just doesn't seem to be working -- enUS |
| 01:13.48 | Xuerian | Most recent build? |
| 01:13.59 | Zeryl | well, as recent as wowace.com/files can be |
| 01:14.02 | kaiden | i've recently stopped using externals in any addon i have one central libs addon which has all the externals |
| 01:14.11 | kaiden | with all the different addons out it's the only way i can keep them all working |
| 01:14.26 | Zeryl | I'm seriously thinking that i need to do that kaiden |
| 01:14.34 | kaiden | i would highly suggest it |
| 01:14.42 | Xuerian | kaiden: Yea, that's one way to do it, or you can get the libs yourself.. but either way, I'll look |
| 01:14.57 | Zeryl | it could just be me, so don't waste too much time on it |
| 01:15.47 | Zeryl | Xuerian: it's a problem w/ XLoot, I had it look in xlootmonitor's translation instead (i added it there) and it gets past that, but fails on the next time it looks to xloot's translations |
| 01:15.49 | Xuerian | The only reference is to XLoot itself. Do you have the latest of itself? |
| 01:16.26 | Zeryl | updating it now, thought i had |
| 01:17.05 | Zeryl | that did it, should have tried that first, i'm sorry :( |
| 01:17.26 | Xuerian | Yeah, I just recently upgraded to AceLocale2.2, so your older XLoot was registering them as 2.0 translations |
| 01:17.35 | Xuerian | Whereas xlm was looking for 2.2 :) |
| 01:17.47 | Zeryl | makes sense :) -- thanks for the help |
| 01:19.26 | Zeryl | kaiden: since you seem to know it decently, how hard is it to move from all the embeded libraries to stand-alone? |
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| 01:20.09 | Xuerian | Zeryl: You have two options. !!!Libs, which acts like a addon itself. This will get you chain-hanged by devs. |
| 01:20.10 | kaiden | quite easy |
| 01:20.22 | kaiden | go get WowAceUpdater the program that lets you quickly update your addons |
| 01:20.41 | kaiden | delete or rename your interface folder, run it, select all the addons you want (except !!!Libs) choose Install Without Externals |
| 01:20.56 | kaiden | after it's done choose Unmark All Addons, then select !!!Libs and do an Install With Externals |
| 01:21.02 | kaiden | that's the fastest way to do it in my opinion |
| 01:21.02 | Xuerian | And then, there's !!!StandaloneLibs, which is itself a zip of empty directors. You extract it over your addons dir, it adds the empty folders, and tricks WowAceUpdater into getting the libs, which are loadondemand, then you update everything :P... |
| 01:21.19 | Zeryl | sounds easy enough, I will do that tonight |
| 01:23.15 | kaiden | my lord shadow priests are overpowered in TBC lol ;) |
| 01:23.36 | kaiden | i took off all my prophecy/transcendance and put on regular green +dmg gear and i'm 61 fighting lvl 66's and 67's killing them before they can get to me |
| 01:24.52 | kaiden | getting almost 1500 xp per kill |
| 01:25.05 | Xuerian | Zeryl: One thing, back up your addon folder, no matter what you try |
| 01:25.18 | Zeryl | that's the only thing that saved me the other night, I have 150+ errors on load :( |
| 01:25.38 | Xuerian | You'll get errors when you disembed, it's not a question of if but how many, you've just gotta work through them :p |
| 01:26.16 | Zeryl | no worries on that, at least then I can see where the problem is |
| 01:26.33 | Zeryl | I still have one error that I can't get rid of, and bugsack is giving me an error when trying to view it, heh |
| 01:26.47 | kaiden | Zeryl, look at your Logs\FrameXML.log file |
| 01:26.50 | kaiden | inside your wow dir |
| 01:28.37 | Zeryl | and there it is! |
| 01:28.37 | Zeryl | nice |
| 01:28.38 | kaiden | :) |
| 01:28.44 | Zeryl | thanks for that too, didn't know all the errors dumped in there |
| 01:28.53 | kaiden | yup and it's much more informative |
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| 01:34.26 | Thunder_Child | they should make a fade effect that is castable on others |
| 01:35.06 | Kaso | Fade the tank! |
| 01:35.16 | Thunder_Child | umm.....only for fun |
| 01:35.28 | Thunder_Child | you know...like in naxx |
| 01:35.36 | Thunder_Child | on kel |
| 01:36.19 | Kaso | itd be awesome, right the moment the tank pulls, or an aggro wipe. |
| 01:36.29 | zoktar | any good aced warlock compilation packs to checkout ? |
| 01:38.00 | Thunder_Child | then everyone has a good laugh and then /gkick |
| 01:39.09 | Kirkburn | Btw, would anyone like the ability to alter the raid class colours? |
| 01:40.24 | Kirkburn | Just deciding how much stuff to put in the next Cf update :) |
| 01:40.34 | kaiden | Kirkburn, sounds too much like fluff |
| 01:40.46 | kaiden | i mean some people would probably like it, just seems ya know.. |
| 01:41.00 | Kirkburn | Oh yes, not suggesting changing it by default :P |
| 01:41.21 | Kirkburn | Basically, I'm wondering whether to add all the rest of the stuff from the fonts.xml file |
| 01:41.27 | kaiden | i mean i for one get freaked out when my spells aren't in the exact position on my bars that i originally put them at and i think i'd feel the same way about colors |
| 01:41.33 | kaiden | if they weren't what i already knew would just seem weird |
| 01:41.38 | kaiden | then again if it's just a feature go for it :) |
| 01:41.47 | Kirkburn | One guy asked for the ability by email, wondered if it was a common 'want' :) |
| 01:41.54 | kaiden | i really do hope you add an in game config for cf |
| 01:42.01 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:42.03 | kaiden | and the ability to on the fly switch fonts in game |
| 01:42.17 | kaiden | sorta like devla does with fontabulous |
| 01:42.19 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure - it's a choice between that or ultimate customizability |
| 01:42.48 | Kirkburn | I especially want people to be able to easily add their own, you see |
| 01:43.47 | Kirkburn | I've not actually tried out Devla's implementation |
| 01:44.28 | kaiden | lol i love Ace2/Ace so much :) 95% of my addons are Ace based, i only use 2 or 3 that aren't and that's because those people are lazy and haven't switched ;) |
| 01:44.37 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:44.39 | ckknight | what mods? |
| 01:44.54 | kaiden | mods that i wont be able to use in TBC so it's all good :) |
| 01:45.06 | ckknight | ah ;-) |
| 01:45.54 | kaiden | i would however LOVE to see EQL3 rewritten as an ace addon and have smoothing for it's background like tinytip does, and would love to see an oSkin option added to TinyTip for those of us who dont want to use oSkin so we can still have the gorgeous tooltips in game |
| 01:46.21 | kaiden | ckknight, one of them is KLHThreatMeter which i will be using in TBC if it still works |
| 01:47.09 | ckknight | icky :-P |
| 01:47.11 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:47.11 | kaiden | Anyone here use Epoxy or know if the default layout that is shown in Epoxy's ag_UnitFrames config is an actual layout i can download? |
| 01:47.27 | kaiden | I really love that unitframe layout but it appears it might just be hacked together |
| 01:47.28 | ckknight | what's EQL3? |
| 01:47.58 | kaiden | ckknight, Extended QuestLog 3, makes the quest log 2 pane and easier to view also makes it so you can monitor an unlimited number of quests and gives the quest tracker a background to make it easier to see |
| 01:48.35 | ckknight | I like QuestFu |
| 01:48.46 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 01:48.59 | kaiden | I kinda do, it just dunno, just didn't feel right after a while |
| 01:49.07 | kaiden | i will check it out again been a long time since i've used it |
| 01:50.17 | Thunder_Child | unlimeted...so no max 25? |
| 01:50.37 | kaiden | Thunder_Child, no the quest tracker can only monitor 5 quests at a time |
| 01:50.44 | kaiden | it makes it so you can monitor an unlimited amount |
| 01:50.53 | Thunder_Child | oh like that |
| 01:50.58 | Thunder_Child | can it be turned off? |
| 01:51.11 | kaiden | huh? can what be turned off? the quest tracker? yes |
| 01:51.31 | Thunder_Child | oh good |
| 01:52.08 | Thunder_Child | i hate when it auto tracks i end up with traking the same quest 5 times |
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| 01:56.15 | zoktar | hmm anyone use theorycraft+tinytip+ actioneer packs ? |
| 01:56.27 | zoktar | all those tooltips dont mix well :) |
| 01:56.53 | kaiden | tinytip has the ability to eat other addons tooltip data have you enabled that option? |
| 01:57.14 | MentalPower | well, if you find auctioneer has an issue, do tell |
| 01:58.44 | kaiden | man i just dont get it... lol i've copied the layouts from EpoxyTBC and everything for ag_UF and it's just not doing it |
| 02:02.38 | Tain | Happy 5th Birthday Windows XP |
| 02:03.38 | zoktar | hmm no ill check it out |
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| 02:12.02 | zoktar | is there an alternative to actioneer ? |
| 02:13.26 | norgs_away | no! |
| 02:13.29 | norgs_away | hehe |
| 02:13.39 | norgs_away | you can try wowecon and kc_items |
| 02:15.12 | norgs_away | kc_* is written by our kaelten here, and is very slick and efficient. I'd probably try that first if I was you. |
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| 02:44.06 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 02:44.11 | Thunder_Child | mt |
| 02:53.24 | Kirkburn | Lol, check out one of the latest news articles on the BBC website :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/default.stm |
| 02:53.38 | Kirkburn | Should be ... recognisable :P |
| 02:56.51 | Thunder_Child | i thought both of theese were fairly well known |
| 02:56.51 | Thunder_Child | "Blizzard has yet to give details of exact worldwide launch dates or how much the expansion will cost. " |
| 02:57.44 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 02:57.51 | Kirkburn | We only know "January" |
| 02:58.34 | Thunder_Child | hmm..point...and the other? |
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| 03:08.07 | Thunder_Child | someone just told me they are fixing the craptastic conversaions in the lfg channelm anyone know how? |
| 03:08.24 | Guillotine | a real LFG interface |
| 03:08.48 | Thunder_Child | are they still going to have a preset global channel? |
| 03:08.55 | Guillotine | dunno |
| 03:09.01 | Zicon | thunder_child: There's pictures and things on the BC web site. |
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| 03:09.17 | Thunder_Child | Zicon, i know about the lfg interface |
| 03:09.27 | Thunder_Child | i was wondering if thats it |
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| 03:18.24 | Kirkburn | Thunder_Child, yes, they removed the LFG channel in the last TBC patch |
| 03:18.48 | Kirkburn | As to expansion cost, nothing has been announced, all details shops carry are guesses |
| 03:19.22 | Kirkburn | G'night all! |
| 03:19.28 | Xuerian | 'night kirky. |
| 03:20.10 | Kirkburn | night Xuey? :P |
| 03:20.11 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 03:20.36 | Kirkburn | nn |
| 03:20.39 | Thunder_Child | night |
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| 04:19.31 | Guillotine | g2g all. ttyl :) |
| 04:19.38 | Thunder_Child | night |
| 04:20.38 | Cairenn | night Guillotine |
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| 04:44.16 | kaiden | bleh ;( dang bc servers |
| 04:45.37 | Shadowed | ? |
| 04:46.37 | kaiden | stuck at Retrieving Character List for the past hour now |
| 04:48.38 | Thunder_Child | at least you can play live while you wait |
| 04:50.42 | Shadowed | lol |
| 04:53.44 | Fisker | didn't they say they would take down the servers for maintanence? |
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| 04:58.02 | Cairenn | forums are back |
| 05:02.21 | MentalPower | any news on said forums? |
| 05:03.11 | Cairenn | well, they're back |
| 05:03.39 | MentalPower | and hellfire, is officially offline |
| 05:03.46 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:04.55 | Cairenn | now to find out what I missed all day ... right when I was about to head to bed ... |
| 05:05.19 | MentalPower | BTW Cair, you might want to add XNView (http://xnview.com/) to the list of BLP viewers on your Author resources thread |
| 05:06.32 | Cairenn | added, thanks MP |
| 05:12.24 | kaiden | MentalPower, it's about time on hellfire :) |
| 05:12.40 | kaiden | i've gotta burn a copy of the beta to dvd so i can play at work tomorrow |
| 05:13.19 | Cairenn | kaiden: good luck ... I tried burning the install files to a CD and it refused to play along on the other computer |
| 05:13.48 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt make sense |
| 05:13.56 | kaiden | really? i wonder why it should just be a direct copy there's no external files needed, i copied one client from my main computer to this one i'm on now and it worked |
| 05:14.11 | Cairenn | I have no idea why |
| 05:14.17 | Thunder_Child | oh, wait, it pulls from the curren t installation |
| 05:14.20 | Thunder_Child | of wow |
| 05:14.26 | kaiden | it does? |
| 05:14.30 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:14.32 | MentalPower | yes it does |
| 05:14.32 | Cairenn | it worked fine for alpha, but doing the exact same thing on beta it refused to play along |
| 05:14.35 | Cairenn | yes, it does |
| 05:14.35 | MentalPower | on installation |
| 05:14.42 | Thunder_Child | goes from a 2gb download to a 7 gb install |
| 05:15.11 | kaiden | oh sheesh just looked i wouldn't be able to burn this anyways if it's 7gb :P |
| 05:15.15 | Cairenn | so if you want to do it, don't burn the *install* files |
| 05:15.21 | Thunder_Child | so if you want to drag and drop the folder...maybe you can fit it on a dual layer dvd |
| 05:15.33 | Cairenn | you'd have to burn the entire actual install |
| 05:15.43 | Cairenn | easier to just re-download on the new computer :p |
| 05:15.48 | Thunder_Child | or bring the original wow install it then used the BC install files |
| 05:15.50 | kaiden | even double layer dvd's are only 5.4gb |
| 05:16.00 | Thunder_Child | no dual layers are 8 |
| 05:16.11 | Cairenn | portable drive'd be your best bet |
| 05:16.12 | MentalPower | err... dual layer are DVD9 |
| 05:16.22 | kaiden | ooooh i have a 60gb portable |
| 05:16.24 | kaiden | thx cairenn |
| 05:16.25 | kaiden | lol ;) |
| 05:16.37 | Cairenn | there ya go then |
| 05:16.39 | kaiden | i had forgotten about my laptop that's connected to my external usb |
| 05:17.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:18.37 | kaiden | ruh roh i think it may be broken |
| 05:18.54 | Thunder_Child | this does not seem to be going well for you kaiden |
| 05:19.18 | kaiden | nope, ok well i can just split it up and burn it on multiple dvd's |
| 05:19.35 | kaiden | the data folder has a 3gb file that would be able to be burnt on a seperate dvd and then just copied back in |
| 05:31.33 | Fisker | wtf lol |
| 05:31.42 | Fisker | Anyone ever seen your character list getting shuffled? |
| 05:31.56 | Fisker | Got some characters in a wrong order |
| 05:49.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have characters i don't own or have never made on the wow forums |
| 05:49.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | and like 3 duplicates of some others |
| 05:49.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i apparently have a level 2 druid named Dragonstorm |
| 05:50.43 | Thunder_Child | i have heard of worse names |
| 05:51.00 | Thunder_Child | though a random lvl 60 would have been nicer |
| 05:51.15 | End | ahah, DeFormat is want I want |
| 05:51.17 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 05:51.24 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk |
| 05:57.17 | zoktar | hmm is there a way to make ocb2 get bigger width than 500? |
| 05:57.39 | zoktar | why make the limit 500 weird! |
| 06:02.55 | Fisker | can you disenchant through the tradewindow in TBC btw? |
| 06:06.58 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it, but that would be nice |
| 06:08.47 | Fisker | yeah especially since they're apparently going to do disenchanting by skilllevel now |
| 06:10.22 | Thunder_Child | yea, which i agree with...though it is prolly going to come back and bite me in the ass |
| 06:12.02 | End | grr |
| 06:12.13 | End | wowwiki is being flaky |
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| 06:38.09 | Fisker | Has anyone found out if Sword Specialization is still resetting swings? |
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| 07:36.40 | ckknight | hey all |
| 07:37.55 | Thunder_Child | yo |
| 07:46.46 | ckknight | what do people call the boats? I need unique names for each boat. I have Booty Bay/Ratchet Boat, but what'd be the others? |
| 07:47.44 | Shadowed | Menethil/dustwallow and Menethil/Darkshore would be the "unique" names, but i never really call the boats by any name |
| 07:48.16 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:48.23 | Thunder_Child | i agree with Shadowed |
| 07:48.34 | Shadowed | I can't remember the last time i actually referred to a boat by a name |
| 07:48.43 | Thunder_Child | it's normaly take the boat to get the the destination |
| 07:48.57 | Thunder_Child | as in "the boat" |
| 07:49.16 | ckknight | oh, I'm adding information to TouristLib |
| 07:49.18 | Thunder_Child | auto nav thing maybe |
| 07:49.23 | Thunder_Child | or not |
| 07:49.25 | Shadowed | ah |
| 07:49.30 | ckknight | so that if you give two locations, it'll tell you what path to take |
| 07:49.52 | Shadowed | yeah, something like Menethil/dustwallow and Menethil/Darkshore would be your best bet |
| 07:49.55 | Thunder_Child | you could just say take "the boat" from menthinil to darn...etc. |
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| 08:54.14 | ckknight | anyone know how the boats work from Azuremyst/Bloodmyst? |
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| 09:07.22 | Iriel | You get on the boat at the end of the auberdine pier, and you arrive next to the south end of the exodar |
| 09:07.25 | Iriel | and vice versa |
| 09:09.20 | mancini | the new azeroth zones for blood elves and draenei are actually on 530 outlands map you know |
| 09:09.44 | Fisker | Has anyone found out if Sword Specialization is still resetting swings in TBC? |
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| 09:20.23 | jaxdahl | anyone check out the knowledge base yet? |
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| 10:17.31 | Elessdy | too many differing opinions and i can't evaluate them because i don't really know what they're talking about |
| 10:18.54 | Thunder_Child | try em all |
| 10:19.03 | Thunder_Child | can always respec |
| 10:19.39 | Elessdy | it's not -just- about spending talent points, but yes, i plan to respec many times. i have done so with my other two characters. sigh. |
| 10:20.43 | Elessdy | looks like i may have to learn how to use my weapon switching addon(s?) |
| 10:21.42 | zenzelezz | only if you want to be an superubercoolyeahlol!! rogue... think it's mostly for PvP people do that, but I don't play a rogue, so who knows |
| 10:22.18 | Elessdy | i think the fact that you need to have a dagger out in order to use certain abilities is probably a major deciding factor in the use of weapon switchers. |
| 10:22.22 | Thunder_Child | it's recomened to learn to play w/o addons then with |
| 10:22.44 | Thunder_Child | besides, better make sure they are BC compatable before you get comfortable with tem |
| 10:23.11 | zenzelezz | I'm not aware of any of the rogues in my guild switching weapons mid-fight at least |
| 10:23.27 | Elessdy | can't say i've been watching my rogues' hands closely during Hakkar battles |
| 10:23.39 | Elessdy | "my rogues" being the one or two guild rogues |
| 10:23.45 | Elessdy | not mine at all |
| 10:23.48 | Fisker | I don't switch weapons as a rogue at all |
| 10:24.04 | Fisker | Either i'm specced dagger and i'm good at that or i'm specced swords and i'm good at that |
| 10:24.21 | Fisker | no reason to use excessive amounts of energy on crap abillities not meant for your gear or spec |
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| 10:25.26 | Elessdy | i'll take your... advice? into consideration, once i actually know something about rogues and have decisions to make |
| 10:28.13 | cookie_dough | hi |
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| 10:53.12 | zenzelezz | I think your time would be better spent leveling for a while, unless you're making a twink |
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| 10:53.48 | Elessdy | i wouldn't be playing at this time of night anyway. if i stopped reading, i'd be sleeping, which is a good idea, for what that counts for |
| 10:54.14 | Elessdy | these descriptions refer to the use of Cold Blood in builds that don't actually have it. they -must- be out of order. |
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| 11:03.14 | Elessdy | clicking this link takes me to a build of 21/25/0? i think this guide is out-of-date, perhaps from before the rogue talent review |
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| 11:09.08 | zenzelezz | most likely |
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| 11:53.22 | Kirkburn | Good morning! |
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| 12:42.52 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys wut the fastest way to get the names of all raidmembers ? name = UnitName("raid".. i) or name = GetRaidRosterInfo(i) |
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| 12:56.43 | hugo | hi |
| 12:57.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | hello |
| 13:12.55 | JoshBorke | do local primitives in the stack ever 'leak' out into the heap? or are they stuck in the stack unless they are returned outside of the function? |
| 13:14.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO geez thats a high skill question :P |
| 13:15.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | i tohguh lua was simpel |
| 13:15.40 | jaxdahl | is there something wrong with this macro? |
| 13:15.42 | jaxdahl | /use Bladefist's Breadth /stopcasting /cast Backstab(Rank 9) |
| 13:16.35 | JoshBorke | does /use Bladefist's Breadth cause the global cooldown? |
| 13:17.05 | jaxdahl | i am not sure let me ask |
| 13:17.23 | zenzelezz | what is Bladefist's Breadth? |
| 13:17.40 | JoshBorke | i'm assuming it's an item |
| 13:17.46 | JoshBorke | and he's trying this in TBC |
| 13:17.50 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 13:18.01 | jaxdahl | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=655 |
| 13:19.25 | jaxdahl | my friend says this: 'says that the UI mod has performed an action only usuable to the BlizzUI when I use that macro' |
| 13:19.57 | jaxdahl | and he says it doesn't trigger the global cooldown |
| 13:22.28 | JoshBorke | it's gotta be the /cast (i think). have him try the first 2 in one macro |
| 13:22.35 | JoshBorke | then try the last /cast in a separate macro |
| 13:31.12 | jaxdahl | 'just /cast Backstab(Rank 9) causes the error' |
| 13:33.46 | jaxdahl | he installed an UI mod recently so that may have broken it.. hhmm |
| 13:34.54 | JoshBorke | have him disable all of his bar related mods |
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| 13:40.58 | malreth | hello all you happy people! |
| 13:41.05 | TS|Skrom | morning |
| 13:41.10 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:41.11 | TS|Skrom | wheeee boss isn't here today :D |
| 13:41.14 | TS|Skrom | time to farm honor |
| 13:41.51 | malreth | hey, mine isn't here today either! |
| 13:42.22 | malreth | but i have to finish a project or else one of my customers will get pissy... and several classes will get canceled |
| 13:42.28 | malreth | that would be a Bad Thing |
| 13:42.31 | cogwheel | mine wasn't around yesterday... here's to hoping |
| 13:42.44 | cogwheel | ahhhhh.... customers.... |
| 13:43.00 | malreth | yes, customers... the things you fill your life in with around your free time |
| 13:43.25 | malreth | but keeping them happy means they'll renew their contracts which pays my salary |
| 13:43.28 | TS|Skrom | the best thing abuot having lots of characters is that you can swap between all of em and knock out their rested. by the time you are done with that, the first one is full again ^.^ |
| 13:43.46 | TS|Skrom | all my customers are internal ^.^ |
| 13:43.56 | TS|Skrom | I don't deal with REAL customers |
| 13:43.58 | malreth | how many alts do you need to maximize rested time bonus? |
| 13:44.05 | TS|Skrom | 9 |
| 13:44.12 | TS|Skrom | with my playstyle |
| 13:44.25 | Thunder_Child | takes 7 days to fill rested xp |
| 13:44.31 | malreth | is that anecdotal or mathematically proven? |
| 13:44.38 | Thunder_Child | math i belive |
| 13:44.39 | TS|Skrom | anecdotal |
| 13:44.43 | malreth | ah |
| 13:44.51 | zenzelezz | 7 days if logged in an inn? |
| 13:44.53 | TS|Skrom | since I've not played my warlock or shaman in about 2 weeks and my one priest is just a banker |
| 13:44.59 | Thunder_Child | yes zen |
| 13:44.59 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: my customers are rich pepole who buy $10,000 worth of OUR wine each year |
| 13:45.08 | TS|Skrom | lol nice |
| 13:45.12 | Thunder_Child | cog's a drunkard |
| 13:45.18 | Thunder_Child | works at a winery |
| 13:45.27 | malreth | gibb0rz me ur wine, cogwheel |
| 13:45.38 | TS|Skrom | I work with wino's so it's almost the same |
| 13:45.56 | TS|Skrom | I think I'll play the shaman today |
| 13:46.02 | TS|Skrom | should be worth two quick levels ^.^ |
| 13:47.15 | Thunder_Child | cog, were you guys part of the big wine event about a week ago? |
| 13:47.31 | cogwheel | yeah, though I didn't know about it 'till the other day XD |
| 13:48.00 | cogwheel | with 3 office employees, the owner, and the VP, you'd be AMAZED how little communication happens |
| 13:48.19 | Thunder_Child | my neighbor went to that, and bought around 6 cases...he already has over 25 sitting around at his house |
| 13:49.10 | cogwheel | That's nothing... some people on our mailing list rent warehouse space at wine storage companies for their personal collections |
| 13:49.36 | Thunder_Child | yea, hes has some frineds like that, one has around 1,000 bottles at any one time in his house |
| 13:49.40 | malreth | something tells me I can't just purchase a bottle or two... :) |
| 13:51.38 | cogwheel | or 11.... they have a 1 case minimum order, only release wine twice a year, and sell out of everything each release. |
| 13:51.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | is ther a newline charecter for text labels ? (will |n work?) |
| 13:53.37 | JoshBorke | what do you mean by text label? |
| 13:54.07 | cogwheel | like Button:SetText() |
| 13:54.17 | cogwheel | I'm not sure if |n will work... you can try it though... |
| 13:54.22 | JoshBorke | i don't think they do |
| 13:54.33 | malreth | well, a case isn't too bad |
| 13:55.20 | cogwheel | At $60-90 per bottle, some people would disagree ;) |
| 13:55.47 | cogwheel | and that's just our price... some of them sell on the secondary market for upwards of $350... |
| 13:56.07 | zenzelezz | better get you drunk to the boot |
| 13:56.21 | malreth | you drink enough of anything and you'll get plastered |
| 13:56.56 | malreth | and the best part is you won't feel bad about having drunk over $1000 worth of product when you're dead of alcohol poisoning |
| 13:57.42 | zenzelezz | good point |
| 13:58.08 | Thunder_Child | ah, but at least you know you went out with the best though |
| 13:58.10 | zenzelezz | only been really hammered once |
| 13:58.14 | Thunder_Child | you went out in "style" |
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| 14:00.06 | Thunder_Child | besides, whats $1000 when your dead |
| 14:00.20 | cogwheel | probate fees... |
| 14:00.34 | Thunder_Child | ok, your dead...you dont care |
| 14:00.37 | cogwheel | funeral costs |
| 14:00.39 | cogwheel | XD |
| 14:00.55 | Thunder_Child | again, it is not your problem |
| 14:01.21 | malreth | being already marinated and preserved? priceless. |
| 14:01.57 | malreth | hell, relatives could hang you up in an open window to have the sweet scent of wine permeate their homes |
| 14:02.06 | cogwheel | not to mention sterilized |
| 14:02.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | well |n didnt work so do i have to add seperated strings then ? |
| 14:02.42 | cogwheel | It would look that way... |
| 14:02.52 | malreth | \n didn't work? |
| 14:02.58 | TS|Skrom | \n worked for me in xml |
| 14:03.03 | malreth | ah |
| 14:03.08 | TS|Skrom | come to think of it, worked in lua too I thought |
| 14:03.29 | TS|Skrom | as long as it's enclosed in " " it should register |
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| 14:18.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Optimus_Prime_%28person%29 |
| 14:18.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 14:20.06 | malreth | let's see if it gets moved to general or suggestions |
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| 14:38.22 | Kaso | I hate the wow forums, it lags my computer whenever firefox loads one of its pages, so when i spam like 10 threads open in tabs i grind to a hault |
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| 14:58.02 | malreth | I think I have to say that I like pigtails the best. |
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| 14:58.49 | Thunder_Child | in small girls or grown women? |
| 14:59.26 | malreth | on grown women who look like small girls |
| 15:00.01 | Thunder_Child | makes sense |
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| 15:08.20 | malreth | gods i love Apple Remote Desktop |
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| 15:24.17 | DDPho1 | Hi |
| 15:24.52 | DDPho1 | I have a problem, the OnLoad and the OnEvent works, but it just doesnt trigger the onEvent :< |
| 15:24.55 | TS|Skrom | hola |
| 15:25.14 | TS|Skrom | what event did you register for? |
| 15:25.16 | JoshBorke | what events did you register for? |
| 15:25.17 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 15:25.25 | DDPho1 | VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 15:25.57 | DDPho1 | this:RegisterEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED"); |
| 15:26.38 | JoshBorke | what does it do when the variables are loaded? |
| 15:26.44 | cogwheel | I'm very confused... why isn't this guy getting flamed? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=40474357&sid=1 |
| 15:26.53 | cogwheel | This *is* the General forum, after all... |
| 15:27.14 | Mikma | cogwheel: well throw the first rock :D |
| 15:27.19 | DDPho1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/1850 |
| 15:28.08 | TS|Skrom | cogwheel that's a really good question |
| 15:28.35 | TS|Skrom | what does GuildRoster_GetMembers() do? |
| 15:28.38 | DDPho1 | + http://wowi.pastey.net/1851 |
| 15:28.56 | DDPho1 | it gets every guild members infomation and saves it |
| 15:29.16 | DDPho1 | when i do /script GuildRosterFrame_OnEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED"); ingame it works XD |
| 15:29.21 | Thunder_Child | i like the fact that he cant seem to run wow but still no one has said a thing about it |
| 15:29.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | does OnShow also get fired @ unload ? isince at event varriables loaded i set my table thne i show the interface while i keep getting an error in the onshow saying its nil :( |
| 15:29.55 | TS|Skrom | put DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Event Triggered"); inside your GuildRosterFrame_OnEvent |
| 15:30.16 | DDPho1 | uhm |
| 15:30.43 | TS|Skrom | will show whether it's being hit when you /reload |
| 15:30.47 | DDPho1 | do i have to restart wow after modifying a lua or just reloadui? |
| 15:30.54 | TS|Skrom | just reload |
| 15:31.00 | DDPho1 | k sec |
| 15:31.03 | TS|Skrom | as long as you aren't adding a new file you can just /reload |
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| 15:37.45 | DDPho1 | doesnt work =/ |
| 15:37.53 | DDPho1 | it says exactly... nothing |
| 15:38.41 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: that's only available from DevTools |
| 15:38.44 | JoshBorke | any errors in your logs/FrameXML.log? |
| 15:38.49 | cogwheel | you can do either /console reloadui |
| 15:38.54 | cogwheel | or /run ReloadUI() |
| 15:39.19 | TS|Skrom | I think he meant, that after reloading the AddMessage didn't do anything |
| 15:39.28 | TS|Skrom | I just say /reload for shorthand :-/ |
| 15:40.09 | DDPho1 | i did /script ReloadUI(); |
| 15:40.23 | DDPho1 | and yes i meant that after reloading addmessage didnt do anything |
| 15:40.34 | DDPho1 | for some odd case the add message in the onload didnt do anything too lol |
| 15:40.42 | DDPho1 | -case +reason |
| 15:41.11 | Xuerian | ... /console reloadui is about the fastest |
| 15:41.15 | Xuerian | no special characters :p |
| 15:41.16 | cogwheel | DDPhol: neat trick: |
| 15:41.19 | cogwheel | s/neat/cool/ |
| 15:41.59 | DDPho1 | lol |
| 15:42.06 | JoshBorke | DDPho1: make sure there aren't any messages in logs/FrameXML.log |
| 15:42.42 | cogwheel | morning, Cairenn |
| 15:43.00 | TS|Skrom | if the addmessage in your onload doesn't show, then that's where the problem is |
| 15:43.20 | TS|Skrom | if the onload doesn't complete, then your on event isn't getting registered (most likely) |
| 15:43.43 | TS|Skrom | GuildRosterFrame_OnEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED") would work whether you were registered for it or not |
| 15:43.44 | DDPho1 | there are messages XD |
| 15:44.28 | TS|Skrom | what's it say? |
| 15:44.34 | DDPho1 | uhm |
| 15:46.36 | DDPho1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/1854 |
| 15:47.19 | TS|Skrom | specifically look for messages in the log file pertaining to YOUR addon |
| 15:47.25 | TS|Skrom | CTRL+F "AddonName" |
| 15:47.32 | DDPho1 | there arent any messages with guild |
| 15:47.34 | DDPho1 | or gprofile |
| 15:47.50 | malreth | is your addon even being loading? |
| 15:47.52 | TS|Skrom | there has to be some, or else your addon isn't even loading |
| 15:48.00 | malreth | s/ing/ed/ |
| 15:48.08 | malreth | ~botsmack |
| 15:48.10 | purl | OWW! |
| 15:48.12 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 15:48.15 | DDPho1 | it is how else would i access the functions of it with /script Oo |
| 15:48.17 | malreth | bad bot... you should read my mind |
| 15:48.21 | TS|Skrom | purl, you deserverd that one |
| 15:48.49 | Thunder_Child | wasnt purls fault |
| 15:49.11 | malreth | anyways, if you don't see a ** Loading table of contents Interface\AddOns\YourAddon\YourAddon.toc then your addon is not being loaded |
| 15:49.16 | TS|Skrom | yeah huh, it didn't read malreth's mind |
| 15:49.30 | malreth | bots serve us... never the other way around |
| 15:49.36 | malreth | we are their masters, they our slaves |
| 15:49.54 | Thunder_Child | oh really, Mr. Master |
| 15:49.55 | TS|Skrom | I got served by a bot in UT2k3 once :( |
| 15:50.00 | malreth | so it is, so it has been, and so it shall always be |
| 15:50.06 | DDPho1 | well then why it does execute a /script GuildProfileFrame_OnEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED"); XD |
| 15:50.27 | TS|Skrom | Because you don't know how to CTRL+F? |
| 15:50.28 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 15:50.34 | TS|Skrom | it's there. it has to be. |
| 15:50.54 | DDPho1 | hrm k for some reason it did work yesterday |
| 15:50.54 | TS|Skrom | search for the actual file name of your .toc file |
| 15:50.57 | DDPho1 | but not today Oo |
| 15:51.14 | TS|Skrom | oh and it looks like the pastey one cut off at 600 lines, so make sure you are searchign the actual log file :P |
| 15:51.56 | DDPho1 | im searching the actual file :P and for some reason it doesnt load x_X |
| 15:52.02 | zenzelezz | my addon works, but doesn't show in the FrameXML log |
| 15:52.22 | TS|Skrom | zenz, does it make a frame? |
| 15:52.31 | TS|Skrom | his does therefore it should be showing in the log |
| 15:52.49 | zenzelezz | like I said, it works, shows on screen, but is nowhere in the log |
| 15:52.54 | DDPho1 | for some reason it worked yesterday when i did /script GuildRoster_GetMembers(); |
| 15:53.03 | DDPho1 | today it gives an error saying it couldnt be found lol |
| 15:53.40 | TS|Skrom | check your addon list from character select |
| 15:53.54 | TS|Skrom | make sure it's being loaded. also, disable all other addons, will make spotting any errors easier :D |
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| 15:54.46 | DDPho1 | its there and checked for activation lol |
| 15:56.16 | DDPho1 | noooow i dont get this lol |
| 15:57.00 | malreth | DDPho1: have you ever done any debugging before in a programming class, assignment, project, or other related activity? |
| 15:57.34 | malreth | actually, more generally, any troubleshooting? |
| 15:57.44 | malreth | you need to systematically figure this out |
| 15:57.53 | malreth | first, determine if your addon is even being loaded |
| 15:58.43 | malreth | you can put a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("This addon loaded") at the bottom of your main .lua file (it doesn't have to be in an onload handler or anything) to see if your file is even being loaded by wow |
| 15:59.04 | malreth | if it's being loaded, you need to see if your onload and onevent handlers are even being called |
| 15:59.19 | JoshBorke | start with the on load ;-) |
| 15:59.40 | malreth | same thing, put DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("OnLoad called") and DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("OnEvent called") in them |
| 16:00.08 | malreth | at that point, you'll have an idea of what's going wrong, what is working, and where you need to spend additional time debugging/troubleshooting |
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| 16:00.47 | cogwheel | O.O |
| 16:00.49 | cogwheel | http://www.slate.com/id/2152255/ |
| 16:00.51 | malreth | understand, DDPho1? |
| 16:01.07 | cogwheel | ~define quixotic |
| 16:01.08 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 16:01.13 | cogwheel | ~dict quixotry |
| 16:02.21 | DDPho1 | now it didnt load |
| 16:02.31 | DDPho1 | i did go to the addons screen and disabled everything else |
| 16:02.52 | DDPho1 | then i did load and show the msg, i did go back and activated everything else now it does load but doesnt show a message Oo |
| 16:03.28 | Thunder_Child | ~dict Floccinaucinihilipilification |
| 16:03.42 | malreth | your addon should always show a load message if it loads if you followed my advice |
| 16:03.49 | Thunder_Child | *sigh*, common purl get your act together |
| 16:04.21 | malreth | did you put an AddMessage call at the end of your .lua file? |
| 16:04.21 | TS|Skrom | scroll up DDPho1 |
| 16:05.38 | DDPho1 | yeah i did |
| 16:05.44 | DDPho1 | it doesnt show but the functions work lol |
| 16:06.05 | malreth | then my conclusion is... |
| 16:06.14 | malreth | you have another addon loaded that has those same function names |
| 16:06.30 | JoshBorke | possibly the base WoW has those functions |
| 16:06.37 | malreth | and the addon that you put the AddMessage in isn't being loaded |
| 16:07.35 | malreth | ah, that too... the base API may have the same function names |
| 16:08.18 | |FF|Im2good4u | can some1 help me on my addons iv ben trying to fix this bug for so many hours but it keeps going wrong somewhere :( |
| 16:08.29 | JoshBorke | what's this bug? |
| 16:10.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | well i create a table then i show my interface |
| 16:10.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | the interface uses atributes of the table but it says the table is nil .. |
| 16:10.45 | JoshBorke | paste the code? |
| 16:11.00 | cogwheel | pasteY the code, that is ;) |
| 16:11.09 | JoshBorke | i don't like pastey :-P |
| 16:11.19 | cogwheel | well, as long as he doesn't paste it into the channel :P |
| 16:11.33 | DDPho1 | ... |
| 16:11.45 | Cairenn | http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 16:11.54 | Cairenn | learn to love it |
| 16:12.02 | JoshBorke | wowi.pastecode.com! |
| 16:13.14 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.24 | Thunder_Child | joy |
| 16:13.27 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 16:14.14 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 16:14.15 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn! |
| 16:14.43 | Kaso | netscan.MyUniversity.ac.uk is contonually connecting to my ftp, im getting parnoid |
| 16:15.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://wowi.pastey.net/1861 |
| 16:15.32 | Sidely | Basic question: is the ipairs iterator any more efficient than pairs? |
| 16:15.32 | hugo | btw is there some addon for mp3 like to control winamp from within wow, or it's not possible to do ? |
| 16:15.35 | zenzelezz | Kaso: tell them to get their porn elsewhere |
| 16:15.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | hugo not posable |
| 16:15.49 | DDPho1 | GuildRoster.toc: http://wowi.pastey.net/1860 GuildRoster.xml: http://wowi.pastey.net/1862 GuildRoster.lua: http://wowi.pastey.net/1863 |
| 16:16.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think there are ingame mpa players for wow but u cant control winamp |
| 16:16.26 | hugo | mpa ? |
| 16:16.34 | cogwheel | Look! Cairenn posed for TCG... http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/wow/en/assets/wow_demo4.pdf |
| 16:16.48 | Sidely | Winamp has global hotkeys by default, doesn't it? |
| 16:17.01 | JoshBorke | |FF|Im2good4u: where does it bug? |
| 16:17.13 | JoshBorke | and when does it bug? |
| 16:17.19 | Thunder_Child | hugo, try http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4137 |
| 16:17.33 | hugo | Sidely i talk about some mp3 addon for wow.. where u can change song or like paste to chat what song you're playing |
| 16:17.40 | hugo | thx Thunder_Child |
| 16:17.51 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 16:17.57 | Thunder_Child | dare i ask which one she psoed for? |
| 16:18.01 | Thunder_Child | posed* |
| 16:18.05 | hugo | thats exactly what i wanted ;] |
| 16:19.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | JoshBorke: at the NickCompleter_Enable_Button:SetChecked(NickCompleter_SavedVars["ENABLED"]) it says attemp to cal global nil NickCompleter_SavedVars |
| 16:20.43 | JoshBorke | |FF|Im2good4u: is it when you log in initially? did you make the frame hidden to start with? |
| 16:21.07 | JoshBorke | i'm hypothesizing that you have hidden='false' so the frame is shown before variables have been loaded |
| 16:21.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm no its on login yes and its not hidden L( |
| 16:21.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol indeed thats probely it :P |
| 16:21.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | thanks ill go testosr |
| 16:22.01 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: i linked it... |
| 16:22.34 | malreth | Cairenn is kickin'! |
| 16:22.41 | Thunder_Child | i know but there are naby pictures |
| 16:22.44 | Thunder_Child | many* |
| 16:23.10 | Thunder_Child | woot 19 hrs with no sleep and my typing is still as bad as it was |
| 16:23.44 | Thunder_Child | ah, Liba Wobblebonk |
| 16:24.12 | malreth | Cairenn's forum avatars are female night elves |
| 16:24.17 | malreth | amirite? |
| 16:24.39 | Sidely | So ipairs and pairs are identical in efficiency? The former merely guarantees an iteration ordered by integers? |
| 16:24.53 | malreth | Sidely: they may not be exactly identical |
| 16:25.43 | Sidely | But given the speed of Lua, there isn't any significant difference, right? |
| 16:25.48 | malreth | but for the sake of argument, you can consider them identical |
| 16:26.13 | malreth | i believe I've read that pairs() is slightly more efficient than ipairs() |
| 16:26.29 | malreth | so if you do not require integer iteration, use pairs() |
| 16:26.53 | [floyd] | That sounds odd. I'm not questioning that you're right, it just sounds odd. |
| 16:27.08 | malreth | since i believe that the ipairs() iterator has to keep a state, whereas pairs() can just iterate through all items in the table |
| 16:27.11 | malreth | internally, that is |
| 16:27.21 | Sidely | That sounds right. |
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| 16:28.15 | Sidely | http://www.lua.org/pil/7.3.html says that they're both stateless though. Hmm. |
| 16:28.28 | Cairenn | umm, guys? I'm a hunter, not a rogue :p |
| 16:28.41 | zenzelezz | or so you want us to think! |
| 16:29.06 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, does your husband have trouble giving you complaments? |
| 16:29.31 | Cairenn | yes, as a matter of fact |
| 16:29.59 | Thunder_Child | mmm....no kidding |
| 16:30.23 | cogwheel | Cairenn: doesn't mean they can't dress you up like a rogue :P both wear leather & can dual wield ;) |
| 16:30.54 | Cairenn | I just happen to think you guys picked the wrong pictures, but that's okay, I'll not say anything more |
| 16:31.01 | Thunder_Child | yea, but no animal friend |
| 16:32.34 | Thunder_Child | the NE hunter is at http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/wow/en/assets/wow_demo3.pdf |
| 16:32.34 | malreth | ok... nevermind me. i'm smoking crack. don't know where I thought I read that. |
| 16:32.50 | malreth | ipairs() == pairs() in performance, essentially |
| 16:32.53 | Thunder_Child | i dont think female though |
| 16:33.04 | Thunder_Child | cant tell with the fuzzy mask |
| 16:33.10 | cogwheel | no boobs |
| 16:33.18 | Thunder_Child | sports bra |
| 16:33.23 | malreth | the cost of the function call itself outweighs any performance difference between the two |
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| 16:33.56 | Cairenn | you guys need to be looking through here: http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/wow/community/photos/art_galley/default.aspx :p |
| 16:34.26 | Thunder_Child | yea, but who is going to PLAY the game? |
| 16:35.33 | JoshBorke | oh man. i have the ugliest dwarf ever! |
| 16:35.48 | malreth | DDPho1: your guild roster addon loaded successfully on my system here |
| 16:36.19 | malreth | i got the "this addon loaded" "Guild roster blah blah loaded" and the "event triggered" messages |
| 16:37.22 | malreth | no errors in the framexml.log file either |
| 16:37.44 | malreth | turns out i was wrong, a message only appears in the framexml.log file if there was a problem |
| 16:38.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | JoshBorke: how do i redraw my menu ? since i use button:Disable() but it needs to look disabled aswel :P |
| 16:41.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | or any1 else :P |
| 16:41.45 | cogwheel | If it's a button, you need to give it a DisabledTexture |
| 16:42.12 | JoshBorke | don't ask me, i just copy the stuff |
| 16:43.23 | JoshBorke | hm, if i do local index = frame.index and then modify index, it does NOT get reflected in frame.index? |
| 16:44.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | ofc not becase your index is local |
| 16:45.18 | |FF|Im2good4u | cogweel it has the texture :P if i clsoe and reopebn the windows it shoes as disabled but i wana refirst it assoon af it gets disabled.. |
| 16:45.28 | JoshBorke | but if it were a table value it would |
| 16:45.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | i could op / close the widow but isnt there a better way :P |
| 16:45.57 | cogwheel | It's supposed to look disabled as soon as you disable it. |
| 16:46.03 | cogwheel | dunno what's going wrong |
| 16:47.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke weirds then |
| 16:50.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah i se stoopid me :P i modify the variable that decides to disable / enable thne onshow but i donot enable / disable then on the click :P |
| 16:51.34 | JoshBorke | ok, so i have a display question |
| 16:51.57 | cogwheel | One "best practice" is to have a single function that handles all the disabling/enabling of the elements in your fram and call it whenever you need to |
| 16:52.03 | JoshBorke | how come my statusbar is showing above my textures? the texture for the statusbar is on the BACKGROUND level and the other textures are on the OVERLAY level |
| 16:52.18 | cogwheel | s/m a/me a/ |
| 16:53.36 | cogwheel | JoshBorke: http://www.wowwiki.com/XML/StatusBar/drawLayer |
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| 16:54.06 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 16:54.59 | Cairenn | hi ComicSansMS |
| 16:56.24 | malreth | wish i knew about it sooner |
| 16:56.40 | JoshBorke | hm. i'm using lua to create the statusbar |
| 16:58.15 | JoshBorke | and there is no SetDrawLayer? |
| 16:58.47 | cogwheel | sure there is... it's inherited from LayeredRegion |
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| 16:59.19 | cogwheel | at least it should be there... |
| 16:59.26 | JoshBorke | but it's not applied to statusbars |
| 16:59.38 | cogwheel | :S |
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| 17:03.14 | ComicSansMS | i'm currently working on an article about the ui changes with wow 2.0... |
| 17:03.23 | ComicSansMS | is there any way to write a macro that casts the low-rank version of a spell if i do not have enough mana for the higher-rank version? |
| 17:03.44 | Thunder_Child | only out of combat i belive |
| 17:04.33 | ComicSansMS | but not via slashcommand? |
| 17:05.25 | Thunder_Child | yes, but out of combat |
| 17:05.42 | ComicSansMS | i see, thanks :) |
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| 17:20.17 | cogwheel | ZOMG candy corn! |
| 17:23.35 | kaiden | JoshBorke, there's also a bug in the api if i remember right that makes it so if you have a statusbar with a background and foreground you have to set the background to low and the foreground to whatever |
| 17:23.48 | kaiden | At least i know that's come up in the past with discordunitframes |
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| 17:45.01 | cogwheel | Holy crap... I think candy corn avatars made the average IQ on general go down even more... i didn't think that was possible. |
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| 17:54.07 | JoshBorke | ok back |
| 17:56.23 | Mr_Rabies2|away | gah |
| 17:56.34 | Mr_Rabies2|away | ghosts take forever to disappear on this netowrk |
| 17:56.35 | Mr_Rabies2|away | network* |
| 17:57.01 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 17:57.45 | Mr_Rabies2|away | i guess i can register after the damn gnosts get busted |
| 17:57.49 | Mr_Rabies2|away | ghosts* |
| 17:57.51 | Mr_Rabies2|away | gnome ghosts |
| 17:57.53 | Mr_Rabies2|away | gnosts |
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| 18:00.18 | Mr_Rabies2|away | there they go |
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| 18:02.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | wee lets see if this works now |
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| 18:02.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay there we go |
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| 18:06.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay, just doin some checks, why doesn't my mask resolve on freenode :| |
| 18:06.18 | malreth | hmm... the forums changed graphics |
| 18:06.41 | zenzelezz | your mask? |
| 18:07.11 | malreth | zenzelezz, it is getting close to Holloween. |
| 18:07.18 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:07.24 | malreth | s/Ho/Ha/ |
| 18:07.49 | malreth | cogwheel: you're a candy corn |
| 18:08.40 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 18:09.02 | cogwheel | i don't mind being candy corn... I just wish my candy corn was different than other peoples' so I could tell them apart... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=40754098&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 18:10.00 | zenzelezz | I want Hallow's End to pass so I stop getting turned into stuff all the time |
| 18:10.21 | Thunder_Child | lol, stop doing trick or treat then |
| 18:10.36 | zenzelezz | I'm not |
| 18:10.44 | zenzelezz | my guildies are |
| 18:10.57 | Thunder_Child | it's a "buff" right click it away |
| 18:11.04 | zenzelezz | I know :-p |
| 18:11.11 | zenzelezz | just annoying |
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| 18:14.11 | Industrial | zenzelezz: why? |
| 18:14.11 | Industrial | its fun |
| 18:14.29 | Industrial | im a skeleton raaaawr!! |
| 18:14.33 | Industrial | oooo but im a wisp! |
| 18:14.37 | zenzelezz | I keep getting turned into a bat, which is smaller than my normal character and makes it harder to see the mobs past my raid |
| 18:14.39 | Industrial | have fun :P |
| 18:14.42 | Kaso | we have a ban on wands once the raid has started, people liked to use the whisp wands on healers |
| 18:15.16 | Industrial | ill be stocking up on wands |
| 18:15.54 | Industrial | and casting them randomly throughout the year |
| 18:15.55 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:16.02 | Industrial | doubt ill have that many :( |
| 18:16.09 | Mr_Rabies | i still have about 10 stacks of snowballs |
| 18:16.15 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 18:16.15 | malreth | me too! |
| 18:16.24 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.24 | Mr_Rabies | and i had at one point |
| 18:16.27 | Mr_Rabies | about 200 stacks of fireworks |
| 18:16.31 | Industrial | zenzelezz: shee its FUN |
| 18:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | turned em all in for darkmoon faire tickets cause i was tired of mailing them between alts |
| 18:17.08 | Mr_Rabies | i thought they were doing some forums maintenance |
| 18:17.09 | Mr_Rabies | today? |
| 18:17.35 | Mr_Rabies | ah, i bet that's why the background changed |
| 18:17.48 | Mr_Rabies | that duskwood background was the one that they used when the forums were in beta |
| 18:18.06 | Mr_Rabies | probably forgot to change the alliance CSS theme to elwynn |
| 18:18.25 | cogwheel | malreth: |
| 18:18.27 | cogwheel | ~rimshot |
| 18:18.31 | purl | ch-ch-chhh |
| 18:18.44 | malreth | Thank you thank you... i'll be here all week. Tip the waitresses! |
| 18:20.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | ahh |
| 18:20.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | candy corn avatars |
| 18:20.31 | malreth | yeah, ain't it sweet? |
| 18:20.55 | Kirkburn | Mr Bigglesworth is soooooo cute |
| 18:21.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | blue text is orange |
| 18:21.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | ahhh |
| 18:22.12 | cogwheel | umm... did we break the forums again? |
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| 18:22.40 | malreth | blues are flaaaaaaming pun'kins |
| 18:23.21 | malreth | from the general forums, "Casuals do not *deserve* candy corn avatars" |
| 18:23.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | what are mvp's |
| 18:23.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | nonflaming pumpkins |
| 18:24.11 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=40224437&sid=1 |
| 18:24.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | should be devilsaurs with murloc masks |
| 18:26.00 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:26.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i stumbled into one of those sites on accident... scary :[ |
| 18:26.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | made friendship level 6 tame |
| 18:28.06 | malreth | I agree with one of the posters... that is an example of an excellent troll |
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| 18:32.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | are the beta forum logins like broke? |
| 18:33.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | threads seem to be in the exact place as they were last time i checked them |
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| 18:33.54 | DDPho1 | is there any good irc channel about graphics |
| 18:34.30 | Thunder_Child | only porn graphics |
| 18:34.34 | cogwheel | Mr_Rabies2: I can't log into beta for some reason. I can play the game just fine, but it says invalid login name or password |
| 18:34.40 | DDPho1 | ... |
| 18:35.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not in beta |
| 18:35.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | its just that checking the forums |
| 18:35.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're frozen |
| 18:36.40 | cogwheel | well, maybe others are having the same problem so they can't post :) |
| 18:37.34 | Osagasu | oh damn... Spirit Weapons... NERF! |
| 18:54.59 | malreth | hmm? |
| 18:55.03 | malreth | what nerf? |
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| 19:11.41 | ag` | Anyone have experience with secure party/raid headers? |
| 19:11.52 | ag` | I can't make them grow upwards |
| 19:14.43 | Thunder_Child | well i love how retarded the gold sellers are "14.99 = 100g .... 195.99 = 1000g" so, 14.99 X 10 = 149.90 for 1,000G or i can pay 195.99......hmmm.... |
| 19:16.48 | Galencia | the prices are largly made up, if you check for your server you wont find those prices: ) |
| 19:17.25 | Thunder_Child | well thats what was msg'd me in game |
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| 19:21.53 | Thunder_Child | born and abused |
| 19:22.17 | Mery | tell them you'll pay _after_ they sent you the gold |
| 19:22.32 | Mery | (ironically it worked for one in my guild...) |
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| 19:31.38 | Kirkburn | Lol, I just tried to play my housemates character in Naxx |
| 19:32.10 | zenzelezz | now he's kicked from the guild? =D |
| 19:32.26 | Kirkburn | I've barely played a drood, and they were up against Razuvious. :| |
| 19:32.30 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:32.33 | Tem | oh that's not cool |
| 19:32.42 | zenzelezz | you got owned by the shout? |
| 19:32.43 | Tem | from a raid leader's perspective, I hate people that do that |
| 19:32.51 | zenzelezz | we gkick people that do that |
| 19:32.55 | Kirkburn | He had to leave, he told the leader I would take over |
| 19:32.55 | Tem | us too |
| 19:32.58 | zenzelezz | let others play, not die from the shout |
| 19:33.06 | Tem | and they were Okay with that? |
| 19:33.50 | zenzelezz | Razuvious is fun though... seeing which rogues/DPS warriors die |
| 19:34.02 | Mery | we are usually ok with it IF you can play the class... |
| 19:34.19 | Kirkburn | After the first wipe I made my excuses and left - not because I caused it, but because I knew no good would come of trying |
| 19:34.31 | Kirkburn | Half the guildies know me at least |
| 19:34.43 | zenzelezz | that helps |
| 19:35.10 | Kirkburn | I must say, Naxx has great atmosphere |
| 19:35.34 | zenzelezz | yes and no... it really does, but I don't like the Undercity feeling |
| 19:35.49 | zenzelezz | but don't get much time to think about it during raids, so it works ;) |
| 19:35.52 | Tem | ah, ok, Kirkburn |
| 19:35.53 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:36.18 | Kirkburn | Makes me want to raid with my warlock again : |
| 19:36.20 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 19:36.34 | zenzelezz | I keep waiting for Faerlina to drop her sword so I can start asking for Dreadnaught :-x |
| 19:36.43 | Kirkburn | (it helped that the leader is his brother, of course =) |
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| 19:47.57 | Kirkburn | *sigh* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/WoWWiki_%28third_nomination%29#.5B.5BWoWWiki.5D.5D |
| 19:53.50 | cogwheel | %t works directly in SendChatMessage, right? |
| 19:54.18 | malreth | i don't think so... |
| 19:55.24 | hugo | im bored ;x |
| 19:55.31 | hugo | what to do |
| 19:56.01 | malreth | craft me a [Gaea's Embrace]. I have mats |
| 19:56.02 | cogwheel | malreth: it does... |
| 19:56.17 | malreth | cogwheel: then it does. |
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| 20:06.00 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:07.22 | Kirkburn | Hullo |
| 20:07.55 | Kirkburn | Why do some wikipedia people have a vendetta against the WoWWiki :P This it the third time it's been nominated for deletion |
| 20:08.13 | Kirkburn | It's like thise referendums where they keep taking them until they get the result they want |
| 20:08.19 | Kirkburn | *those |
| 20:10.34 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 20:10.40 | Thunder_Child | if it aint ment to be, than it aint ment to be |
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| 20:13.12 | JoshBorke | Cairenn|afk: why doesn't wowi have beta key contests :-( |
| 20:13.40 | cogwheel | The more relevant question is how worldofwar.net DOES have beta key contests... |
| 20:13.50 | zenzelezz | maybe they secretly did, and you lost Josh :-o |
| 20:14.00 | JoshBorke | well, they say 'in conjuction with Blizzard' |
| 20:14.15 | JoshBorke | lol zenzelezz |
| 20:14.16 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 20:14.40 | JoshBorke | can anyone tell me the answer to my qquestion about statusbars and overlay textures |
| 20:15.02 | Maldivia | Iriel? |
| 20:15.57 | cogwheel | JoshBorke: you could try making a template for it with nothing but a name and a drawLevel (or whatever that attribute was that i told you about earlier) |
| 20:16.14 | JoshBorke | bah, i don't have ANY xml in the addon currently... |
| 20:16.44 | Beladona | Kirkburn: I don't think it is wowwiki being targetted specifically. There are people that sit there and troll wiki's and religiously censor and/or recommend action based on a set of rules they believe to be "law" |
| 20:16.53 | JoshBorke | well, i lie... |
| 20:17.33 | Kirkburn | You'd think 2 deletion attempts would be enough :/ |
| 20:17.42 | weab | i do have to agree with their reasoning. why does wowwiki need a page? none of the information on that page is useful |
| 20:17.56 | Beladona | it is useful |
| 20:18.04 | Beladona | but not to EVERYONE |
| 20:18.18 | cogwheel | My grandma has a wikipedia entry :) |
| 20:18.21 | Beladona | I do agree that a blurb or reference on teh main WOW page would be enough |
| 20:18.23 | weab | if you already know wowwiki you'd just go to the site. if you didn't, an external link on the world of warcraft page is more useful |
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| 20:18.40 | Kirkburn | Then why should any other website get a page? |
| 20:18.58 | Beladona | but making the comment that wowiki is not useful or "pertinent" is just an assumption by someone who has no use for it |
| 20:19.03 | malreth | talking about wikipedia? |
| 20:19.24 | Kirkburn | It annoys me that people assume 'oh it's just about WoW, nothing else' |
| 20:19.44 | weab | i dont really know the policies of wikipedia that well |
| 20:19.58 | weab | but sites like ebay i can see a reason for having a wikipedia entry |
| 20:20.03 | weab | wowwiki... not really |
| 20:20.06 | Kirkburn | I don't want to know them, they're just depressingly bureaucratic |
| 20:20.13 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: the name sort of causes that though |
| 20:20.19 | zenzelezz | if it was just the Warcraft Wiki |
| 20:20.20 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 20:20.41 | Kirkburn | If they'd read the article they want deleted though, they'd find out differently |
| 20:20.43 | malreth | my friend has been fighting to keep the article about his comic Girly up on Wikipedia... they plan to delete it because it only references first-hand sources |
| 20:22.14 | Kirkburn | Notice that I currently have a large sign up on my WoWWiki user page saying "THIS IS NOT WIKIPEDIA". I'm hoping it helps get the point across :P http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn |
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| 20:28.29 | Kirkburn | Heh, I like my fellow admin, Fandyllic's, response to me: "Who cares. Wikipedia is crammed with stick-up-butts. If they delete their WoWWiki entry, I won't waste time on Wikipedia entry in WoWWiki. It gets the {{speedydelete}}." |
| 20:28.56 | hugo | ;o |
| 20:29.28 | hugo | btw Kirkburn i got a question |
| 20:29.43 | hugo | what about the search on left, can you make it to actually search the wiki pages ? |
| 20:29.57 | Kirkburn | Only the owner, Rustak, can do it |
| 20:30.01 | hugo | as it is now it seems it cant find anything |
| 20:30.07 | hugo | i see |
| 20:30.19 | Kirkburn | Have you tried the internal search? |
| 20:30.23 | hugo | oh wait sorry |
| 20:30.28 | hugo | my bad |
| 20:30.35 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 20:30.54 | hugo | ... on wowwiki the search works excellent i meant wowace ;d |
| 20:31.15 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 20:31.21 | Kirkburn | Wrong channel then ;) |
| 20:31.38 | hugo | not wrong channel just confusion ;p |
| 20:32.00 | Kirkburn | Well, the #wowace channel *might* be a better choice :) |
| 20:32.06 | hugo | wowwiki is fine .] |
| 20:32.10 | hugo | yeah im there too ;d |
| 20:32.37 | hugo | btw guys anyone know some sites with wow artwork? some that can be free used on my website/logo |
| 20:33.15 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure the copyright state of them, but Samwise's gallery is good |
| 20:33.30 | Kirkburn | (http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/gallery_samwise.html) |
| 20:33.43 | Kirkburn | That's real *official* WoW artwork |
| 20:33.52 | hugo | i know this one (and only this one ;d) but i think these are copyrighted |
| 20:34.23 | weab | blizzard allows fansites to use any of their artwork |
| 20:34.29 | Kirkburn | "Unofficial Blizzard sites and communities are allowed to feature the Blizzard related artwork of sonsofthestorm.com provided the site is non-commercial/non-business/non-profit and that it explicitly says that the art is copyrighted Blizzard Entertainment and made by the artist in question. |
| 20:34.30 | Kirkburn | " |
| 20:34.49 | Kirkburn | (from the FAQ page) |
| 20:35.02 | hugo | i see |
| 20:35.22 | hugo | so i must write at bottom (c) blizz |
| 20:35.58 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 20:36.14 | malreth | "explicitly says that the art is copyrighted Blizzard Entertainment and made by the artist in question" |
| 20:36.28 | hugo | yes i got it |
| 20:36.31 | Kirkburn | = |
| 20:36.33 | Kirkburn | ) |
| 20:36.40 | hugo | anyone know some other site ? ;] |
| 20:36.42 | malreth | Something like "Artwork copyright Blizzard Entertainment blah blah blah" |
| 20:36.50 | Kirkburn | Arf, someone sliced my smiley :( |
| 20:37.02 | hugo | moohaha |
| 20:37.11 | Kirkburn | You want fanart as well? |
| 20:37.18 | hugo | yes |
| 20:37.46 | hugo | looking for something to put in header for my new website system ;o |
| 20:37.54 | Kirkburn | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/page38.shtml |
| 20:37.56 | hugo | (horde) ;] |
| 20:38.08 | Kirkburn | http://warcraft.deviantart.com/ |
| 20:38.23 | hugo | oo thanks didnt now deviant has wow section .] |
| 20:38.26 | Kirkburn | This search may help: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=warcraft+fanart&meta= |
| 20:38.30 | Kirkburn | (neither did I!) |
| 20:38.38 | AnduinLothar | dd they change the wow board graphics? |
| 20:38.45 | AnduinLothar | forum* |
| 20:40.20 | AnduinLothar | must be in my head |
| 20:40.21 | Kirkburn | Halloweeeeeeeen |
| 20:40.51 | zenzelezz | Nintendo should have hurried up and cashed in some |
| 20:40.57 | zenzelezz | Nintendo HalloWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:41.04 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 20:41.23 | zenzelezz | or just HalloWiin |
| 20:41.26 | Kirkburn | Heh, that could have been awesome :) |
| 20:41.53 | malreth | please respect people's copyright on their artwork |
| 20:42.33 | malreth | i've got a friend of mine on DA who keeps getting her artwork 'stolen' and reposted elsewhere... sometimes also on DA or sometimes just printed out and sent into magazines |
| 20:43.26 | malreth | at the very least, ask the original author for permission. they'll probably say yes if you ask. |
| 20:45.42 | Kirkburn | Definately |
| 20:46.02 | Kirkburn | Sooo, everyoen made sure their contact details are up to date? |
| 20:46.25 | Kirkburn | Blizz seem to be obsessed with telling us to check recently - for beta invites I guess |
| 20:47.23 | zenzelezz | well, considering a friend of mine realised he'd been invited to the beta for another MMO a few months after it was released, I can see why they keep telling us to check |
| 20:47.48 | Maldivia | grr, where is Iriel, when you need him :| |
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| 20:48.11 | cogwheel | anything us mere mortals could help with? |
| 20:48.52 | Maldivia | if you have an indepth insight in the new SecureRaidGroupHeaderTemplate, and it's use if the UnitWatch functions? |
| 20:49.10 | Maldivia | especially with unitsuffix set to pt |
| 20:49.11 | Maldivia | pet* |
| 20:49.25 | malreth | stop |
| 20:49.27 | malreth | just stop |
| 20:49.31 | malreth | stop what you are doing |
| 20:49.32 | cogwheel | XD |
| 20:49.45 | malreth | it's... unnatural |
| 20:50.09 | cogwheel | i'm familiar enough with the secure headers that i could probably catch on pretty quick... |
| 20:50.27 | cogwheel | s/secure/other secure/ |
| 20:50.32 | malreth | if God had meant you to dynamically watch raid unit pets, He'd have given you... wait... |
| 20:50.35 | Maldivia | In my current raid UI, I have a "pet" group, that lists all the pets in the raid |
| 20:50.47 | malreth | No... It's still unnatural. |
| 20:51.00 | Maldivia | it's very useful in some fights |
| 20:51.03 | malreth | Man was never meant to know! |
| 20:51.28 | zenzelezz | hm, pets in raids... I think the only two we see much of in my guild is "Nub" and "Hordeeater", both of which are used for pulling only :-p |
| 20:51.58 | malreth | Have I told you the story of our raid org's mascot? |
| 20:52.09 | zenzelezz | white croc? |
| 20:52.13 | malreth | yep |
| 20:52.26 | malreth | he gets buffs now, too |
| 20:52.32 | Maldivia | and as I see the code, the only way to implement that in the current system, is to create a SecureRaidGroupHeader with group filter "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8", set unitsuffix to "pet", but then you have the problem. The group doesn't collapse for units that doesn't exist, either the frames are just hidden or a property change is fired (from the UnitWatch onupdate= |
| 20:53.03 | malreth | ah, so you end up with 40 pet frames |
| 20:53.07 | Maldivia | exactly |
| 20:53.20 | Maldivia | of which 35 wont be visible, or just empty |
| 20:53.23 | malreth | wait, i don't understand |
| 20:53.33 | malreth | oh yeah! that's because WE WERE NEVER MEANT TO!!! |
| 20:53.52 | Maldivia | of course, I can limit the number a bit, by assuming that only warlocks and hunters have pets, but then I won't see when people mind control |
| 20:54.26 | Maldivia | meaning priests, engineers, people controlling orb at Razorgore etc |
| 20:54.45 | jaxdahl | engineers can't do it in combat anyway |
| 20:55.12 | malreth | the workers are going home! |
| 20:55.24 | malreth | i was good this week, too... put my work logs in early |
| 20:55.30 | malreth | customers happy... i'm happy |
| 20:55.32 | cogwheel | as far as i can tell, it was only designed to show pets along with their masters |
| 20:55.38 | Beladona | bbl, homeward |
| 20:55.42 | malreth | time to go home and watch doctor who and BSG |
| 20:55.59 | malreth | later all |
| 20:55.59 | Beladona | LOL |
| 20:56.11 | Beladona | I am recording it, so I can watch it tomorrow when I am less pressed for time |
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| 20:58.30 | Tain | My last guild's first Razorgore attempt failed miserably because the person controlling the orb didn't get his pet stuff because of his addons. |
| 20:58.44 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:59.13 | Zicon | "oops" |
| 21:00.23 | cogwheel | yep. i'm pretty sure the only grouping/sorting that the state headers handle natively are based on group, class, or name. |
| 21:00.33 | cogwheel | of the player, that is |
| 21:00.51 | Maldivia | yeah, but you can put unitSuffix on, so you can make a target list, for instance |
| 21:01.17 | Maldivia | so set the nameList it "Tank1,Tank2,Tank3", and set unitSuffix to "target", and vupti, a target list |
| 21:01.42 | Kirkburn | I like how I have emails from Jesus in my junk email box |
| 21:01.58 | Kirkburn | Apparently he wants to sell me the King James Bible |
| 21:02.27 | Tain | He was quite the salesman. |
| 21:03.06 | cogwheel | Maldivia: yep. but you can't have the targets (/pets) grouped by themselves. |
| 21:03.30 | Maldivia | cogwheel: yeah, and that's... wrong! |
| 21:03.38 | Maldivia | should be possible :) |
| 21:03.58 | cogwheel | I'd post about it on the UI & Macros forum... (maybe put Iriel in the title ;) ) |
| 21:04.26 | Maldivia | yeah, was trying to get his attention in here, since he wasn't listed as afk/away/work/sleep/etc |
| 21:04.53 | Maldivia | or perhaps I should use the magic key word, to get her to appear... :) |
| 21:05.58 | Maldivia | hmm... nope... not today it seems... usually he always present, when someone uses the wrong pronoun :) |
| 21:07.39 | Kirkburn | Christ, I hate going through my spam email |
| 21:10.43 | Maldivia | hmm, strspit, is that a function Blizzard has implemented themselves? |
| 21:12.05 | Maldivia | and anyone logged in to BC, that can test something for me ? |
| 21:13.30 | Maldivia | does /dump strsplit(",", "1,2,3") return 1, 2, 3 or "1", "2", "3" |
| 21:15.45 | cogwheel | string |
| 21:16.30 | cogwheel | type(strsplit(",","1,2,3")) == "string", to be precise |
| 21:17.10 | Maldivia | ok, then there's probably a bug in SecureRaidGroupHeader_Update |
| 21:18.45 | Maldivia | unless GetRaidRosterInfo returns group number as a string now |
| 21:28.11 | Kirkburn | Lol, slouken ftw :) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=40774334&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 21:28.53 | Kirkburn | Lucky MVPs also getting pumpkins :) |
| 21:30.33 | JoshBorke | ok bye |
| 21:30.34 | Kirkburn | Doesn't beat murloc day though :P |
| 21:30.34 | Kirkburn | See ya |
| 21:36.06 | Mikma | ah hahaha, halloween theme |
| 21:37.26 | Mikma | cogwheel: you owned yourself in that post. i still can see your gnomepicture in there :) |
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| 21:38.36 | Maldivia | hmm, ok, the string->number problem was taken care of in a support function :) |
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| 21:39.05 | Mikma | mikk! |
| 21:39.23 | Maldivia | and... argh... the candy corns are really annoying... |
| 21:39.32 | Tain | And they taste bad. |
| 21:40.05 | Maldivia | that aswell... |
| 21:40.27 | Maldivia | I'm just so used to identifying people by their avatar, and then name |
| 21:41.00 | Tain | You can't judge a book by it's candy coating. |
| 21:44.57 | AnduinLothar | if a book has a candy coating, it wins imo |
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| 21:49.54 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:51.07 | Maldivia | heya |
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| 21:52.00 | Maldivia | grr... *curses forums* |
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| 22:14.54 | Maldivia | cogwheel ? |
| 22:15.59 | cogwheel | yeth? |
| 22:16.35 | Kirkburn | This is becoming interesting :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/WoWWiki_%28third_nomination%29 |
| 22:16.39 | Maldivia | in the post I made on the forums, you see a reply aswell, that isn't there whne you check the post ? |
| 22:17.04 | cogwheel | yeah... i think iriel may have written something then deleted it |
| 22:18.01 | Maldivia | hmm, ok |
| 22:18.03 | Maldivia | buggs me :) |
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| 22:41.03 | cogwheel | OMG... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=40684402&sid=1 |
| 22:41.45 | Maldivia | yeah, I laughed out loud when I read it a few mins ago |
| 22:42.46 | Thunder_Child | can there PLEASE be a minimum IQ to both play the game and post on the forum |
| 22:43.18 | Tain | Then the game wouldn't be able to sustain itself financially. |
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| 22:46.49 | Industrial | hahahahah |
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| 22:47.08 | Kaso | cogwheel i dont even know what he is asking |
| 22:47.22 | Industrial | He uses the word like in 'that' way, so he fails instantly no matter what he might ask. |
| 22:47.37 | Maldivia | think he's asking "why cant I cast Greater Blessings" |
| 22:47.42 | malreth | tauruse is one bitter asshole |
| 22:47.59 | cogwheel | he wants to know why 60s can cast a buff on a whole group at a time |
| 22:48.25 | cogwheel | or more to the point why he can't |
| 22:48.36 | Industrial | Im not 60 and I dont know thats possible but if it is why even ask? |
| 22:49.04 | Tain | Damn people for asking questions! |
| 22:49.26 | Industrial | Damn people for not thinking once.. twice.. three times before posting on a forum |
| 22:50.41 | Industrial | Say Tain, you still active in making addons these days? I dont follow commits but eh - I not seeing anything from your direction on the forums ;) |
| 22:50.48 | Industrial | I'm* |
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| 23:14.01 | hugo | damn |
| 23:14.16 | hugo | is there some addon that control mem usage of other addons ? |
| 23:14.31 | Guillotine | theres several that read it. can't really control it... |
| 23:14.33 | hugo | need to find the "blackaddon" that eats my mem |
| 23:14.34 | Kaso | control how? |
| 23:14.51 | hugo | er poor english, imean monitor |
| 23:15.06 | hugo | like what addons use most mem |
| 23:15.28 | hugo | i think it's Hitlist anyway ;o |
| 23:15.42 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=40774478&sid=1 |
| 23:15.59 | Industrial | you can only measure total ram usage, but you can keep track of (often) inefficient processes, per addon |
| 23:16.15 | Industrial | tekkub made some addons for that |
| 23:19.34 | cogwheel | wb, Cairenn |
| 23:20.04 | Cairenn | zomg |
| 23:20.07 | Cairenn | a smirk? |
| 23:21.14 | Guillotine | does anyone here know anything about javascript? or firefox? I just made an extension to learn the language, and its working, but when I use window.location=, it changes the titlebar to a webpage o.O I tried document.window.locationa s well, but that doesn't work |
| 23:21.45 | Maldivia | cogwheel: hee |
| 23:22.17 | Maldivia | window.location.href = "http://some.url.tld/"? |
| 23:22.40 | Guillotine | the problem is its taking the "window" as being the titlebar window |
| 23:22.45 | Guillotine | so I don't think that would work |
| 23:22.57 | Guillotine | window.location changes the page, just not of the document ;) |
| 23:23.17 | Maldivia | then document.url = "..."? |
| 23:23.25 | Maldivia | or document.location.href |
| 23:23.39 | Guillotine | hmm. document.location might work |
| 23:24.25 | Maldivia | document.url is part of the DOM |
| 23:24.49 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 23:25.01 | Maldivia | "URL is a replacement for the DOM Level 0 document.location.href property. However document.URL is not settable, unlike document.location.href." |
| 23:25.09 | Guillotine | ya, document.location does the same is window.location |
| 23:25.48 | Maldivia | what are you trying to change? |
| 23:27.44 | Guillotine | the location of the main browsing window |
| 23:27.59 | Guillotine | as if you had typed www.something.com into the url bar and pressed enter |
| 23:29.40 | Maldivia | and window.location doesn't do that for you ? |
| 23:29.48 | Industrial | document.redirect ? |
| 23:29.49 | Guillotine | no |
| 23:30.14 | AnduinLothar | parent.location.href |
| 23:30.38 | Guillotine | because the firefox GUI is written in XML (well, XUL, but close enough), the ui panels count as a window/document. so window/document anything turn the top bar into a browser (thus removing the top bar) |
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| 23:31.34 | Industrial | and you just want to redirect to another page? |
| 23:32.08 | Guillotine | yup |
| 23:32.12 | Guillotine | AnduinLothar: nope, that does same thing |
| 23:32.32 | AnduinLothar | you're jsut typing the command into the url bar? |
| 23:32.33 | Industrial | cant imagine there isnt something sane for that :P |
| 23:32.45 | Guillotine | anduinlothar: no, its in an extension :) |
| 23:32.53 | Guillotine | I know there is, but i can't figure it out o.O |
| 23:34.26 | Industrial | if ui panels are also document how can firefox know wich one you mean :| |
| 23:34.48 | Industrial | never mind, totally not into it, making it more confusing :> |
| 23:35.27 | AnduinLothar | parent.parent.location.href ? |
| 23:38.12 | Guillotine | AnduinLothar: nope. From the DOM viewer, it looks like the document window is actually a child of the GUI |
| 23:40.48 | AnduinLothar | so you'd need it's name to access it via parent.parent.<name>.location.href |
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| 23:42.44 | Guillotine | something like that |
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